WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:22.800 Get ready to rock the planet, get ready to rock the planet, digital dog pong presents 00:22.800 --> 00:26.180 binary revolution radio, now launch the base. 00:30.000 --> 00:50.000 Get ready to rock the planet, get ready to rock the planet, get ready to rock the planet, 00:50.000 --> 01:13.860 act the system, hackers unite, get ready to rock the planet, act the planet, act the system, 01:13.860 --> 01:35.860 hackers unite, get ready to rock the planet, get ready to rock the planet, act the system, 01:35.860 --> 01:51.860 hackers unite, get ready to rock the planet, act the system, hackers unite, act the system, 01:51.860 --> 02:02.360 To the start, hackers unite 02:02.360 --> 02:08.380 Hackers unite 02:08.380 --> 02:13.120 Now I have to play 02:13.120 --> 02:16.760 Now I have to system 02:21.860 --> 02:26.860 Get ready to hack the system 02:26.860 --> 02:30.860 Get ready to hack the planet 02:30.860 --> 02:44.860 Hack the planet 02:44.860 --> 02:50.860 Get ready to hack the planet 02:50.860 --> 03:00.860 Hack the planet 03:00.860 --> 03:02.860 Hack the planet 03:02.860 --> 03:04.860 Change the planet 03:04.860 --> 03:06.860 Go to the planet 03:06.860 --> 03:10.860 Hack the planet 03:10.860 --> 03:12.860 Go to the planet 03:12.860 --> 03:17.860 Get ready to hack the planet 03:17.860 --> 03:47.840 We'll be right back. 03:47.860 --> 04:17.840 We'll be right back. 04:17.860 --> 04:47.840 We'll be right back. 04:47.860 --> 05:17.840 We'll be right back. 05:17.840 --> 05:47.820 We'll be right back. 05:47.840 --> 05:48.840 Now, we are going to talk a little bit about the big hack later on the show, a little follow-up on that, but probably let's start off with the easy thing first. First of all, I've had one letters email address since we've had BinRev going, 06:17.840 --> 06:28.840 and I want to keep it separate and not get confused with the magazine, and I want to have a unique address that I created a new radio at BinRev.com email address. 06:28.840 --> 06:46.840 So if you have feedback for the radio show now, it's no longer letters at BinRev.com. It never was stankdawggity at BinRev.com, even though people use that. So now we're going to go to any feedback that you want to have on Binary Revolution Radio. Send it to radio at BinRev.com. 06:46.840 --> 07:16.820 BinRev.com. 07:16.840 --> 07:46.820 We'll be right back. 07:46.840 --> 08:01.720 We'll have a fun show and still be able to enjoy the holidays, stuff like that. It will stream, same time, same hack time, same hack channel, all that good stuff. Won't be the typical show, but there will be some new material that week. 08:01.720 --> 08:19.100 So, and speaking of streaming, speaking of Rant Radio, Rant Radio recently has split up into three different channels, as you all know by now, and they were concerned with the talk channel. 08:19.100 --> 08:28.860 The industrial station and the punk station both are very high, one, two, three, always top rated within their genre. 08:28.860 --> 08:50.200 However, the talk station was not getting a lot of listeners, especially during the day or during late, late nights. When the shows come on, you know, we have listeners. And I actually, they were starting to lose a little bit of faith in it, but I actually went out and checked out of curiosity because they had been showing some concern about what could they do about the talk station. 08:50.200 --> 08:56.280 I mentioned that BinRev Radio past episodes are going to be aired on there and put into the stream sometime soon. 08:56.280 --> 08:59.000 If they're not already, I haven't seen or heard anything yet. 08:59.000 --> 09:15.000 But I actually went out and checked on Shoutcast.com during episode 22. I went out there and looked, and Rant Radio Talk broke into the top five, number five to be exact, during BinRev Radio 22. 09:15.000 --> 09:32.420 So, Rant Radio Talk is doing fine when the shows are on the air. So, what we need is more shows and more content. And maybe, I don't know if the past episodes have been ever going to help or if that's going to, you know, if that's going to draw any interest or not. 09:32.420 --> 09:51.540 But the talk channel is doing well when shows are going on. So, what I want to do, and even though we've been around for a while and, yeah, we try to spread the word a little bit here and there, I've never really called out and said, hey, let's spread the word on Binary Revolution. 09:51.860 --> 10:00.320 Let's go out there and get people interested. And finally, I'm going to say, let's really go out there and blow this up. Let's go out there and spread the word. 10:00.320 --> 10:14.500 I know some people in the forums have been making some flyers and some bookmarks and stuff like that. Take it out. Go to the bookstores and pin it on the bulletin boards or slip them on the shelves with the magazines or tape it. 10:14.800 --> 10:21.200 You know, put it up somewhere. Go to your college campuses and put it up in the bulletin boards and in the classrooms and stuff like that. 10:21.460 --> 10:27.900 Let's get people interested. Let's get people listening to the show. Let's get people listening to Rant Radio in general. 10:28.560 --> 10:34.200 Check out the magazine. Let's see if we can finally turn this up a notch and see if we can really generate some interest. 10:34.320 --> 10:41.240 We're at the point now where, you know, we're holding steady. We have a lot of great regular listeners and regular readers and stuff. 10:41.340 --> 10:45.580 But we really, I'm actually going to say, let's try to see what we can do. 10:45.660 --> 10:49.260 Let's go out there as a group and try to spread the word and see what we can do. 10:49.380 --> 10:54.160 See if we can generate interest and see if the hacking community really is growing, 10:54.160 --> 11:00.040 as I have theorized many times, that there's a kind of a revolution going on, not only hacking but freaking as well. 11:00.540 --> 11:06.060 Let's see if that revolution is actually going to take effect and see if we can help further it, see if we can make it grow. 11:06.060 --> 11:14.620 So anybody that has any ideas on that or if you want, you know, you have my full blessing to go out and put up flyers and stuff like that. 11:14.720 --> 11:20.480 Take the stuff that people are working on in the forums and go out there and really pimp the show. 11:20.720 --> 11:24.240 Pimp up Binary Revolution as much as you can. 11:24.240 --> 11:31.840 Because the more people that listen and the more people that come check out the magazine and the forums and stuff, 11:32.420 --> 11:38.320 it's better for all of us because we can go out and have more dedication and more reason to keep going with it. 11:39.180 --> 11:41.300 So I'm off that soapbox. 11:41.360 --> 11:42.000 I'm done with that. 11:42.380 --> 11:45.260 But I'm very serious. 11:45.440 --> 11:46.680 Very serious about that. 11:46.940 --> 11:49.680 But I'm going to move on actually to an email now. 11:50.840 --> 11:53.520 And an email from Fake Boy. 11:53.520 --> 11:56.640 Anyway, and you can help me out with this one actually. 11:56.760 --> 12:08.080 This is, I had mentioned on a previous show about just being in the mall and saw a bunch of kids with their cell phones calling the pay phones that were in the food court and stuff. 12:08.520 --> 12:12.960 And I mentioned, is that, you know, is that just messing around or is that a form of freaking? 12:13.080 --> 12:19.700 Are they young freaks or, you know, are they just messing around like kids do or is that actually some interest in the phones? 12:19.700 --> 12:26.340 And Fake Boy emailed in saying that he didn't really think it was or he didn't seem to think it was. 12:26.400 --> 12:29.080 He said, quote, and I'm quoting his email, it says, 12:29.200 --> 12:36.220 Freaking only exists if you are using the telephone or telephone system for your own personal gain or education. 12:36.220 --> 12:40.300 Now, what do you think about that? 12:40.420 --> 12:43.760 Is prank calling, first of all, is prank calling freaking? 12:45.040 --> 12:46.500 Oh, that's a good question. 12:47.960 --> 12:49.700 Or is it that easy to define? 12:49.820 --> 12:52.860 Is freaking just a real vague term that can encompass all of those things? 12:52.860 --> 12:58.320 I think it is really vague because I think some prank calls would be classified as freaking. 12:58.480 --> 12:59.520 But I don't think all of them would. 12:59.640 --> 13:02.760 You know, the typical, you know, is your refrigerator running? 13:02.920 --> 13:04.620 Yeah, well, you should go catch it, that type of stuff. 13:04.700 --> 13:05.300 That's not freaking. 13:05.540 --> 13:06.840 Do you have 10-pound balls? 13:07.220 --> 13:07.960 Yeah, exactly. 13:08.120 --> 13:08.940 That one doesn't count either? 13:09.620 --> 13:09.980 No. 13:10.280 --> 13:12.200 Oh, man, I thought I was a freak. 13:13.060 --> 13:14.840 No, not with that. 13:15.020 --> 13:15.780 Ah, damn it. 13:15.800 --> 13:16.300 You'll get there. 13:16.480 --> 13:17.040 I'll get there. 13:17.040 --> 13:24.640 No, I think if you do something really cool, like the PLA guys have a bunch of freak prank calls. 13:24.920 --> 13:29.300 And they, you know, they take over somebody's phone system and they do, you know, they do some stuff. 13:29.460 --> 13:33.100 And at one, you know, on one hand you could say, okay, it's malicious and it's stupid. 13:33.520 --> 13:36.300 But on the other hand, it isn't freaking because they know what they're doing with phones. 13:36.520 --> 13:38.200 And, you know, it is a sales expense. 13:39.480 --> 13:45.440 Well, there's not, I don't have a problem with it if it's for the sake of fun. 13:45.440 --> 13:46.920 People have to have a sense of humor. 13:47.160 --> 13:47.460 Of course. 13:47.580 --> 13:57.280 There's nothing wrong with having some fun as long as it's not, like, for example, I would be completely opposed to calling, you know, I like they do the phone mobbing, they call it. 13:57.660 --> 13:57.800 Yeah. 13:57.800 --> 13:58.700 We were kind of talking about this. 13:58.880 --> 14:00.660 I like it when they call in the radio show. 14:00.880 --> 14:05.080 There was the one they called in the radio show for some kind of auction, garage sale thing. 14:05.460 --> 14:05.580 Yeah. 14:05.580 --> 14:06.480 That was pretty funny. 14:06.640 --> 14:09.060 That was, you know, I think that was in the spirit of fun. 14:09.240 --> 14:15.780 But I would be so opposed to calling, like, a hospital or something like that, you know. 14:15.780 --> 14:18.660 I just, I don't, not that they've ever done that. 14:18.700 --> 14:20.100 I'm not saying they would or have. 14:20.360 --> 14:25.900 But, you know, as long as people know the difference between, it's not cool to prank call 911, you know. 14:26.020 --> 14:26.420 Right, right, right. 14:26.420 --> 14:27.300 There's a line. 14:29.120 --> 14:34.620 So, what about, what about that statement that, you know, using it for your own personal gain or education? 14:35.260 --> 14:37.900 Your own personal gain, I'm not really sure I'm down with that. 14:37.960 --> 14:40.380 That sounds to me like, you know, it sounds to me like stealing. 14:40.380 --> 14:50.480 So, if you're using, if you're using codes or, you know, stealing calling card numbers and you consider that for your own personal gain and you think that's freaking, like, that's not really freaking. 14:50.820 --> 14:56.480 Well, he says or education and maybe, I don't know, I'll play devil's advocate because I don't know what he means. 14:56.480 --> 15:04.660 And so, maybe he's inferring your personal gain as far as figuring out how to get around all the charges that the phone companies call you. 15:04.720 --> 15:11.400 Your own personal gain by figuring out how to make cheap long distance calling without getting raped by the phone company's rates and stuff like that. 15:11.840 --> 15:13.640 Maybe that's what he means by personal gain. 15:13.760 --> 15:18.100 Maybe, but when I hear personal gain, it always has, like, that kind of malicious undertone to it. 15:18.100 --> 15:20.080 Like, for education, I could see that. 15:20.160 --> 15:21.540 Like, you want to learn how the phone system works? 15:21.880 --> 15:22.540 Yeah, that's great. 15:22.600 --> 15:24.040 But, you know, you want to steal phone calls? 15:24.560 --> 15:26.660 You know, well, I don't really side with the phone company. 15:26.700 --> 15:28.680 I don't feel bad for them because they rip everybody off. 15:28.820 --> 15:30.800 But, you know, stealing phone calls is not freaking. 15:30.920 --> 15:31.900 I'll just, I'll say that. 15:32.220 --> 15:36.640 Well, how about, what if we were to change it then, relating to what we just said about the prank calls? 15:36.640 --> 15:40.280 What if we said, for your own education or entertainment? 15:42.180 --> 15:43.360 Yeah, I think, uh... 15:43.360 --> 15:44.560 Would entertainment qualify? 15:45.540 --> 15:46.940 I think that's probably more accurate. 15:47.320 --> 15:47.520 Yeah? 15:48.100 --> 15:49.240 Yeah, I agree with that. 15:49.240 --> 15:49.860 I could agree with that. 15:50.640 --> 15:52.140 Yeah, I think I agree with that. 15:54.660 --> 16:00.200 But on the other hand, if you do, if you are messing around with the phone and you find some way to steal phone calls, you know, 16:01.400 --> 16:03.340 I guess you could consider that freaking, too. 16:03.980 --> 16:04.960 I mean, it all is freaking. 16:04.960 --> 16:06.620 If you're learning about the phone system, it's freaking. 16:06.760 --> 16:11.280 But if you're doing it just for the purpose of stealing phone calls, I wouldn't call that freaking anymore. 16:12.020 --> 16:17.680 Well, you know, it comes back to, and I know everybody hates this topic, 16:17.680 --> 16:19.200 but we'll touch on it. 16:19.200 --> 16:21.160 It comes back to the whole black hat, white hat thing. 16:21.160 --> 16:27.680 Um, just because somebody writes a virus or some malicious code, it can still be considered hacking. 16:27.680 --> 16:35.260 It may not be the kind of hacking we like or support, but I still define it as hacking. 16:35.460 --> 16:36.020 Oh, of course. 16:36.020 --> 16:37.900 You know, so maybe the same thing with freaks. 16:38.040 --> 16:45.560 Freaks, people that use it trying to figure out how to make a free call or rip somebody off, rip off the phone company or whatever for their own personal gain. 16:45.780 --> 16:49.200 I guess it could fall into that freak category. 16:49.340 --> 16:52.600 I don't want to go into the whole white hat freak and black hat freak. 16:52.720 --> 16:54.920 I think that's, you know, it goes without saying. 16:54.920 --> 16:58.380 But, yeah, it's a pretty vague term, just like hacking. 16:59.340 --> 17:00.120 Yeah, I don't know. 17:00.220 --> 17:06.560 I guess, like I said, if you're messing around with the phone system and you figure out some way to make free calls, that's cool. 17:06.620 --> 17:10.460 But if you spend all of your time just trying to make free calls, I don't know. 17:10.540 --> 17:11.740 That's not as cool to me. 17:11.940 --> 17:17.220 Like, getting the phone system to do something cool and getting free calls along the way, that's one thing. 17:17.300 --> 17:19.160 But just doing it for free calls is kind of stupid. 17:19.160 --> 17:23.620 Especially when everybody has, like, unlimited long distance and unlimited nights and weekends anyway. 17:23.780 --> 17:25.320 Like, what types of calls are you getting for free? 17:26.840 --> 17:28.720 Well, yeah, true. 17:29.560 --> 17:32.400 The phone environment has changed a lot, a lot. 17:32.460 --> 17:33.440 Yeah, yeah. 17:33.680 --> 17:39.660 You know, we've talked about voice overriding some of the services that are available to people now. 17:39.960 --> 17:42.020 But, all right, I think that's enough. 17:42.320 --> 17:43.780 I think we got the point across. 17:43.780 --> 17:48.900 I think they, I don't think you, it does, yeah, it does have that connotation to say, 17:48.900 --> 17:53.120 personal and gain, but I don't think he, I hope he didn't mean that to sound the way it sounded. 17:53.440 --> 17:54.980 I'm just saying, that's the way it sounds to me. 17:55.020 --> 17:56.300 If that's not what he meant, then that's fine. 17:56.360 --> 17:57.500 But that's the way it sounds to me. 17:57.520 --> 18:01.680 Well, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that that's not what he, he didn't mean it that way. 18:02.020 --> 18:05.760 But, regardless, that's it for the mailbag. 18:05.840 --> 18:06.840 That's it for all the housekeeping. 18:06.980 --> 18:11.280 Like I said, there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but we are through that part of the show. 18:12.120 --> 18:15.280 And, hey, did you, by chance, make it to 2600 meeting? 18:15.920 --> 18:16.860 No, no, no, no. 18:16.960 --> 18:17.620 What was I doing? 18:17.620 --> 18:18.800 I have no idea what I was doing. 18:18.900 --> 18:22.920 I went to mine again this week. 18:22.980 --> 18:24.220 We had a pretty decent turnout. 18:25.800 --> 18:34.760 We didn't have any official, like, formal presentations, which actually I don't want real, real formal, real formality. 18:34.860 --> 18:36.100 I don't want to go to another meeting. 18:36.180 --> 18:43.400 I have enough of those as it is, which I've talked about ad infinitum in the past, ad nauseum. 18:43.400 --> 18:53.220 But we did have a discussion on DNS servers and their roles and what they do and how they work and stuff like that. 18:53.260 --> 18:54.020 That was pretty interesting. 18:54.020 --> 19:07.440 And even went so far as to discuss or at least mention and touch on man-in-the-middle attacks and how they can be dangerous and how and why they work the way that they do. 19:07.440 --> 19:11.700 So that was pretty, you know, it was a pretty interesting topic. 19:11.780 --> 19:13.920 A lot of people already knew some of it. 19:13.960 --> 19:15.180 A lot of them didn't know any of it. 19:15.180 --> 19:22.700 So it was a good topic that mixed, you know, some of the more experienced people with some of the less experienced, you know, all-in-one good topics. 19:23.040 --> 19:25.040 So it was a pretty good meeting for me. 19:25.040 --> 19:34.980 I also finally finished my Hacking 101 article for this Binary Revolution magazine 1.3. 19:35.500 --> 19:36.920 I finally finished that. 19:37.100 --> 19:39.920 And it's, I'm really proud of it, actually. 19:40.100 --> 19:42.780 I don't, I guess I can give out the topic. 19:43.020 --> 19:50.800 It's a much more in-depth version of directory transversal. 19:50.800 --> 20:05.140 And how it works, why it works, and this time into some more detail and specifics on the fundamentals upon which it's based. 20:05.440 --> 20:09.640 So this is actually might be longer than any of the other Hacking 101s that I've written. 20:10.460 --> 20:14.280 It built on the first one that I wrote for Outbreak magazine a while back. 20:14.360 --> 20:17.680 I kind of started with that and then added a lot more to it. 20:17.680 --> 20:22.240 So that will be in 1.3. 20:23.220 --> 20:28.680 And, oh, and I finally, not only that article, speaking of articles, I put finally a bunch, if not all. 20:28.780 --> 20:36.400 By the time you listen to this, I have put the majority of all the old articles finally up on StankDawg.com. 20:37.220 --> 20:41.800 Some of them are actually updated, like the 2600 Secrets article that Nick84 and I wrote. 20:41.800 --> 20:47.180 I updated that one, so it is up to the current issue, and I uploaded that to the site. 20:47.280 --> 20:51.880 And I'll try to keep on top of stuff like that and the hacking movies and stuff like that. 20:52.420 --> 20:55.760 And I've been uploading them, and more will be coming soon. 20:56.600 --> 21:00.900 Go to StankDawg.com, and there's a button at the top that says My Downloads. 21:00.900 --> 21:01.600 And you can go there. 21:01.700 --> 21:02.380 They're organized. 21:02.380 --> 21:10.000 There's also a post on StankDawg.com that explains how I broke down the directory structure, if you can't figure it out on your own, of course. 21:12.000 --> 21:16.780 But just be careful that some of the articles I write are completely in ASCII format. 21:16.780 --> 21:28.760 So the way I broke it down is in the main directory is like the document.doc files, PDF files, Excel files, etc., etc. 21:29.000 --> 21:31.320 But I also put up an ASCII text version. 21:31.500 --> 21:33.260 I made an ASCII folder inside of that. 21:33.620 --> 21:41.640 Some of my articles are only in ASCII text, so you have to make sure you check that folder because some stuff only exists back there while others are duplicates. 21:41.640 --> 21:46.580 So if you only look in that first directory, you may miss some of the ASCII-only articles. 21:47.640 --> 21:49.340 And that's about it for me. 21:49.720 --> 21:59.700 Now, as I said way at the beginning of the show, actually it wasn't that long ago, but at the beginning of the show that you've been doing a lot of, getting a lot of airtime lately on default radio. 22:00.320 --> 22:02.880 So actually I thought maybe you could follow up with us right now. 22:03.260 --> 22:05.940 How is that roof trampoline thing coming along? 22:05.940 --> 22:07.180 Oh, my God. 22:07.380 --> 22:11.680 Let me, let me, I said, I was really, really tired when we made that show. 22:11.960 --> 22:12.980 That was hilarious. 22:13.060 --> 22:16.840 I had to stop and just laugh until I, I couldn't even listen. 22:16.960 --> 22:18.200 I was laughing so hard at that. 22:18.940 --> 22:19.600 Oh, man. 22:19.700 --> 22:23.020 Yeah, we were just, me and Dakota were just, you know, chatting on the phone, whatever. 22:23.300 --> 22:25.260 And, you know, Lucky was nowhere to be found. 22:25.360 --> 22:26.260 And I was exhausted. 22:26.380 --> 22:28.860 And he's like, fuck it, let's, let's record the show. 22:29.080 --> 22:29.860 So, whatever. 22:29.980 --> 22:30.320 I don't know. 22:30.620 --> 22:32.340 When I get tired, crap like that comes out. 22:33.020 --> 22:33.660 I don't know. 22:33.660 --> 22:36.760 But we have, we have made some improvements on the roof trampoline, actually. 22:37.180 --> 22:37.320 Ooh. 22:37.900 --> 22:42.440 The decoder mentioned that there'd be a real pain in the ass to get the trampoline up to the roof. 22:42.580 --> 22:44.680 So I invented the trampoline trampoline. 22:44.820 --> 22:46.820 So you can just bounce the trampoline onto the roof. 22:46.900 --> 22:47.420 And there you go. 22:47.880 --> 22:50.080 Then you can have kids jump off the roof all day long. 22:50.360 --> 22:51.300 And bounce back up? 22:51.700 --> 22:52.280 Oh, yeah. 22:52.420 --> 22:54.040 So now I got two patents in the works. 22:54.180 --> 22:55.780 The trampoline trampoline and the roof trampoline. 22:56.300 --> 23:00.200 You know, believe it or not, I actually had a trampoline when I was a kid. 23:00.200 --> 23:02.040 Like a full Olympic size. 23:02.280 --> 23:03.920 My dad bought it from the YMCA. 23:04.400 --> 23:04.640 Right. 23:04.840 --> 23:07.120 They got a new one and they didn't need the old one. 23:07.160 --> 23:11.180 So my pops bought it and we had it in our backyard. 23:11.440 --> 23:12.580 And I loved that. 23:12.640 --> 23:13.920 That was so much fun. 23:15.100 --> 23:17.260 And I don't know. 23:17.440 --> 23:18.480 I kind of feel like you did. 23:18.540 --> 23:21.360 I'd hate if I tell this story and somebody goes out and does it. 23:21.480 --> 23:21.940 Oh, man. 23:21.980 --> 23:24.000 I'd feel, but what the hell. 23:24.000 --> 23:28.900 Now, we, first of all, I could, I used to just do all kinds. 23:29.000 --> 23:30.840 I'd be on that trampoline for hours at a time. 23:30.900 --> 23:31.500 It was so fun. 23:31.580 --> 23:33.960 Well, one day we got the bright idea. 23:34.300 --> 23:37.660 This was when I lived in Alabama, I think. 23:37.800 --> 23:38.680 Yeah, it was Alabama. 23:39.080 --> 23:40.980 Our backyard was kind of on a hill. 23:41.840 --> 23:44.860 And we had a pool at the bottom of the hill. 23:45.340 --> 23:45.860 Oh, no. 23:45.860 --> 23:53.360 Yeah, so we got this bright idea to, and it was kind of a ledge carved into the side of the hill where the pool was. 23:53.640 --> 24:00.380 So we put the trampoline on the edge of that, of the ledge, of the edge of the hill there, and used it to dive into the pool. 24:00.700 --> 24:01.000 Nice. 24:01.240 --> 24:02.140 Oh, it was sweet. 24:02.260 --> 24:03.180 It was cool. 24:03.940 --> 24:04.300 Until. 24:04.740 --> 24:05.480 Until, of course. 24:05.900 --> 24:07.620 So you knew that was coming, right? 24:07.700 --> 24:07.900 Until. 24:07.900 --> 24:08.200 I knew. 24:08.320 --> 24:10.960 As soon as you said pool, trampoline, I knew that there was a problem. 24:10.960 --> 24:16.080 Well, like most pools, it had concrete around the edge of the pool. 24:16.220 --> 24:17.460 It could have been much worse. 24:17.820 --> 24:19.180 It's not as bad as you might think. 24:19.220 --> 24:20.140 I'm getting ready to go there. 24:21.360 --> 24:26.600 One of the dumbass, uncoordinated neighbor kids didn't make the jump all the way. 24:27.480 --> 24:30.700 Now, he's very lucky, really, in retrospect. 24:30.820 --> 24:34.640 I mean, we were like, I don't know, 13, 14, 15. 24:34.800 --> 24:35.240 I don't know. 24:35.380 --> 24:39.720 We were jackasses before jackass became famous. 24:39.720 --> 24:44.120 But, uh, he just didn't make it far enough. 24:44.740 --> 24:45.600 Trampoline was wet. 24:45.700 --> 24:57.440 I don't know what the excuse was, but he just barely cleared the pool, but his shin dragged the edge of the pool as he went in and basically ripped a whole shard of skin off the front of his leg. 24:57.900 --> 24:58.380 Oh, man. 24:58.540 --> 25:00.080 Yeah, that was, yeah. 25:00.420 --> 25:03.140 That was the end of the pool trampoline. 25:04.160 --> 25:05.200 That was the end of that. 25:05.240 --> 25:06.100 He was fine. 25:06.100 --> 25:14.780 I mean, he put a bandage on and there was nothing, there was no stitches, there was no harm, but it was just like one of those, oh, shit, you know? 25:15.440 --> 25:16.900 Yeah, and you know what the nice thing is, though? 25:16.960 --> 25:21.260 Back in the day, like back then, his parents didn't come back and sue you guys, did they? 25:21.620 --> 25:22.540 No, no. 25:22.540 --> 25:29.580 Oh, that was a, it doesn't seem like that long ago, but in terms of our judicial system, it was eons ago. 25:29.920 --> 25:43.700 Actually, you know, the funny thing about that is that I've done some reading about, you know, lawsuits and stuff like that, and from what I can tell, when they first came out with the notion of a lawsuit and suing for stuff, people sued for the most ridiculous things ever. 25:43.700 --> 25:45.260 Like, more so than they do now. 25:45.380 --> 25:51.060 So there was this first initial, like, peak of ridiculous lawsuits, and then it kind of calmed down, and now it's coming back. 25:51.680 --> 25:55.200 So, do some homework on it, you'll see. 25:55.800 --> 25:59.140 Just look up ridiculous lawsuits, and I'm sure on Google you'll find out. 25:59.160 --> 26:00.160 Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. 26:00.380 --> 26:05.420 Well, you know what sparked it all, the second wave of them, is that lady in the damn coffee at McDonald's. 26:05.440 --> 26:06.200 Oh, God. 26:06.200 --> 26:09.200 She's the one that spurred the whole second wave of them. 26:09.300 --> 26:15.980 People realized, wow, McDonald's has deep pockets, and you can sue them and get money for nothing. 26:16.300 --> 26:16.500 Yep. 26:16.740 --> 26:19.700 So people realized that, and it's just, ah. 26:20.080 --> 26:23.080 It's the death of both common sense and personal responsibility. 26:23.560 --> 26:24.820 Especially personal responsibility. 26:24.820 --> 26:27.200 I'm glad you said that's the more important thing to me. 26:27.540 --> 26:30.360 Common sense died before we were born. 26:30.700 --> 26:30.920 Yeah. 26:30.920 --> 26:33.180 Common sense has been long gone in this country. 26:34.000 --> 26:34.680 Long gone. 26:34.680 --> 26:36.780 And our forefathers were the last sign of that. 26:41.040 --> 26:47.520 So, yeah, we, it was, scraped his leg up and put a bandage on it, rode his bike home. 26:47.680 --> 26:48.700 That was end of story. 26:48.800 --> 26:49.540 Nothing, you know. 26:50.400 --> 26:54.300 I mean, he could have hit, even if it was just an inch, he could have, if he would have actually 26:54.300 --> 26:57.300 got hit the top of his knee, that could have been devastating. 26:57.580 --> 26:57.740 Yeah. 26:57.740 --> 27:01.460 You know, let alone if he would have went ahead, took a header off the concrete or something. 27:02.260 --> 27:03.340 Yeah, it'd be no fun. 27:03.340 --> 27:08.180 Yeah, and, and, other than that, the worst things on the trampoline is, of course, you 27:08.180 --> 27:11.620 would occasionally, yeah, you'd lose control and go flying off or something. 27:12.040 --> 27:15.420 We used to put it underneath the tree and then climb up in the tree and jump down. 27:16.160 --> 27:20.340 And you'd, you'd just be so out of control, all that gravity pulling all your weight down. 27:20.400 --> 27:23.480 You'd go flying off and hit the side of the garage or something. 27:23.480 --> 27:25.540 But, you know, harmless. 27:27.180 --> 27:29.120 So, let's combine that. 27:29.820 --> 27:34.140 And instead of the kid scraping his leg on the way to the pool, he's scraping his leg on 27:34.140 --> 27:35.900 the way down of a 20-story drop. 27:36.560 --> 27:37.320 Oh, yeah. 27:37.420 --> 27:38.260 That could get ugly. 27:38.440 --> 27:39.680 All thanks to my patent. 27:39.820 --> 27:40.680 There you go. 27:40.900 --> 27:42.160 And I have to thank Decoder, too. 27:42.260 --> 27:44.600 Decoder definitely helped inspire that. 27:44.600 --> 27:44.920 That's right. 27:44.960 --> 27:46.220 You've got to share that reliability. 27:46.520 --> 27:47.500 I mean, invention. 27:48.420 --> 27:48.820 Exactly. 27:50.100 --> 27:50.740 So, I don't know. 27:50.800 --> 27:52.080 Maybe next year it'll, it'll be out. 27:52.260 --> 27:53.140 Lots of kids will get hurt. 27:53.480 --> 27:53.880 Ooh. 27:54.020 --> 27:54.780 Oh, God. 27:55.220 --> 27:55.540 But, no. 27:55.620 --> 28:01.860 Actually, the show itself was, so far, the default that I've listened to were just hilarious. 28:02.600 --> 28:04.840 You know, that's what, that's what I really like about Default Radio. 28:04.940 --> 28:06.840 And I've said that about Decoder before, too. 28:07.040 --> 28:10.940 We'll chat an instant message at work, and he'll just make me laugh in the middle of the 28:10.940 --> 28:14.960 day when I'm really bummed out about having to go to another meeting somewhere. 28:14.960 --> 28:18.040 So, he's got a pretty good patent himself. 28:18.160 --> 28:24.900 He's going to open up a consulting company to meet with people on how to have good meetings. 28:25.800 --> 28:25.900 Nice. 28:26.020 --> 28:26.380 So, yeah. 28:26.480 --> 28:27.180 Oh, that man. 28:27.320 --> 28:28.980 That's a, that's a winner, man. 28:29.140 --> 28:29.400 Really? 28:29.400 --> 28:30.320 That's all him, dude. 28:30.800 --> 28:31.320 Yeah, man. 28:31.540 --> 28:32.800 And people would do it, too. 28:33.620 --> 28:34.580 They'd probably pay for it. 28:34.580 --> 28:35.300 It'd probably work. 28:35.720 --> 28:36.440 Yeah, I'd believe it. 28:36.540 --> 28:36.900 So, yeah. 28:36.920 --> 28:37.860 He makes me laugh with that. 28:37.920 --> 28:40.280 And the show itself, just, he's so funny. 28:40.300 --> 28:41.820 It makes me laugh every time. 28:41.940 --> 28:44.380 Did you have fun doing Default Radio? 28:44.380 --> 28:44.980 Oh, yeah. 28:45.980 --> 28:47.180 Doing that show was awesome. 28:47.360 --> 28:49.440 We did another show, Episode 3. 28:49.560 --> 28:50.320 I was on that, also. 28:50.580 --> 28:52.280 And we had a lot of fun doing that, too. 28:52.540 --> 28:55.340 It basically starts out as just a regular phone call. 28:55.460 --> 28:58.760 And then, as soon as it gets really ridiculous, then we start recording. 28:59.240 --> 29:01.340 And that's like a two-hour episode, right? 29:01.800 --> 29:02.160 Yeah. 29:02.600 --> 29:03.580 Episode 3 is, yeah. 29:03.740 --> 29:07.000 It's two hours long, and it's got six people on it, maybe. 29:08.320 --> 29:09.260 It's pretty crazy. 29:09.260 --> 29:11.280 And there's some cool stuff in there. 29:11.300 --> 29:15.860 There's a lot of good technical information, thanks to Royal and Rigel 5 and all those guys. 29:16.160 --> 29:17.520 So, definitely something to listen to. 29:17.840 --> 29:17.940 Yeah. 29:18.300 --> 29:19.320 Definitely a cool show. 29:19.460 --> 29:26.380 And hopefully, I have a little bit of inside information that it's a pretty good sign that it's going to be streaming on Rant Radio soon. 29:26.940 --> 29:28.060 I've heard the same thing. 29:28.060 --> 29:29.960 So, we'll see how that works out. 29:30.480 --> 29:34.000 But, in the meantime, of course, you can go to CB Zone and check it out there. 29:36.080 --> 29:37.560 What else have you been worried? 29:37.580 --> 29:38.860 It's been a long time since you've been on the show. 29:38.940 --> 29:40.680 You've been doing all kinds of stuff lately. 29:40.840 --> 29:41.380 I am. 29:42.040 --> 29:42.280 Hmm. 29:42.620 --> 29:48.880 You were telling me about, you know, since we talked about default, let's talk about, you were telling me something about Nextel. 29:49.660 --> 29:50.060 Yeah. 29:50.860 --> 29:51.220 Okay. 29:51.220 --> 29:53.760 I guess this deserves a little background information. 29:54.700 --> 29:56.200 I'm really a nut about GPS. 29:56.440 --> 29:57.500 I love GPS units. 29:57.840 --> 30:00.300 I love, you know, the whole technology and everything like that. 30:00.340 --> 30:00.740 It's awesome. 30:01.260 --> 30:07.180 So, I signed up with the Sprint PCS probably five years ago, right, before they had GPS phones or anything. 30:07.660 --> 30:09.280 Then, all of a sudden, they had GPS phones. 30:09.500 --> 30:10.560 I ran out and I bought one. 30:10.840 --> 30:15.280 And I signed up for the developer forums and I was like, yes, I'm going to get to use the GPS on my phone. 30:15.700 --> 30:17.620 Sure enough, they said, oh, it's coming out next quarter. 30:17.740 --> 30:18.700 It's coming out next quarter. 30:18.760 --> 30:20.120 And they kept doing this and doing this. 30:20.720 --> 30:21.820 This was in 2000. 30:22.620 --> 30:23.960 And they're still doing it to this day. 30:23.960 --> 30:31.320 If you go on the developer forums now and you look under the location-based services forum, you'll see it says the moderator's name is Hung. 30:31.820 --> 30:33.500 And he says, oh, it'll be out next quarter. 30:33.580 --> 30:34.240 It'll be out next quarter. 30:34.240 --> 30:35.560 And you know what? 30:36.180 --> 30:37.580 In my mind, it's never going to happen. 30:37.780 --> 30:42.200 And the inside rumor that I've heard is that Sprint doesn't want you to use the GPS on their phone. 30:42.280 --> 30:45.440 They want to charge you for every time you query the GPS. 30:47.600 --> 30:47.800 So... 30:47.800 --> 30:49.140 No, no. 30:49.520 --> 30:50.180 That's the rumor. 30:50.300 --> 30:50.660 That's the rumor. 30:50.960 --> 30:51.740 No, no. 30:52.220 --> 30:53.560 That's not going to fly. 30:53.840 --> 30:54.960 Well, that's what I said. 30:55.040 --> 30:55.500 But you know what? 30:55.520 --> 30:57.000 They should just release support for it. 30:57.080 --> 31:03.840 Honestly, I was thinking what I could do is I could go in there and I could try to hack out a way to get the GPS out of the phone. 31:04.000 --> 31:06.120 But that's quite an involved project. 31:06.320 --> 31:08.060 So I kind of put that on the side. 31:08.160 --> 31:09.780 Yeah, let the developers do that. 31:10.160 --> 31:10.620 Yeah, yeah. 31:10.680 --> 31:11.040 You know what? 31:11.040 --> 31:15.920 But if I did that, that would be a great way for me to, you know, give the finger to Sprint and say, listen, we're going to use this thing. 31:16.040 --> 31:17.020 You built it into the phones. 31:17.100 --> 31:17.920 You're charging us. 31:18.300 --> 31:21.160 You know, when we buy these phones, we're paying for the GPS unit in it. 31:21.460 --> 31:22.900 And we should be able to use it. 31:23.260 --> 31:24.300 Yeah, don't do them any favors. 31:24.420 --> 31:26.260 They'll just take it from you and... 31:26.260 --> 31:26.820 Oh, of course. 31:27.060 --> 31:27.360 Yeah. 31:28.220 --> 31:33.820 But so finally I was looking around and everyone kept telling me, oh, yeah, Nextel, they got GPS that you can use. 31:33.820 --> 31:37.700 I did a little bit of homework and sure enough, I saw one person wrote a GPS application. 31:37.700 --> 31:42.680 And I waited and waited because I really, I thought Nextel was the worst type of phone ever. 31:42.840 --> 31:47.940 I see people walking around and hear that little, that little chirp and they're yelling back and forth to each other and I hated it. 31:48.180 --> 31:48.500 Yeah. 31:48.780 --> 31:52.180 But finally, Motorola came out with a phone, the i730. 31:52.760 --> 31:58.520 And it supports the latest Java profile, which is the Midlip Profile 2.0, which gives sound support. 31:58.720 --> 32:03.280 You know, it lets you do all the cool stuff that the original Midlip Profile should have done but didn't. 32:03.280 --> 32:12.520 So now you can write like cross, I guess, cross provider like Nextel Sprint applications that make use of the sound, make use of the graphics functions. 32:12.640 --> 32:16.140 They've even got a 3D library for it and all that stuff. 32:16.240 --> 32:18.620 So it's got that and it's got a GPS that you can use. 32:18.840 --> 32:27.060 And it's not just you can use it from a Java applet, but you can actually hook it up to your computer and you can get GPS data streamed straight to your computer like it was a real GPS. 32:27.060 --> 32:28.900 Now that would be sweet. 32:29.200 --> 32:29.380 Yeah. 32:29.680 --> 32:31.020 Because GPS units are... 32:31.020 --> 32:32.960 They don't make any bones about it. 32:33.000 --> 32:36.000 They don't say, oh, you need to pay for it or, oh, you need to download this software. 32:36.360 --> 32:39.720 The phone comes with three applications on it already to use the GPS. 32:40.080 --> 32:44.740 And there's just a menu that you go to, GPS, and you say output the serial port and that's it. 32:44.800 --> 32:45.720 It goes right to your laptop. 32:46.220 --> 32:47.540 There's no configuration, nothing. 32:47.760 --> 32:49.660 It's the most brain-dead easy thing ever. 32:49.740 --> 32:51.340 And this is the way it should be on every phone. 32:51.340 --> 32:56.040 And there's no reason that anybody should build hardware into their phone and hide it from you. 32:56.320 --> 32:57.360 You know, what's the point? 32:58.120 --> 33:03.280 Yeah, that's very, very cool because GPS units are expensive. 33:03.800 --> 33:04.360 Yeah, really expensive. 33:04.360 --> 33:06.540 I mean, even the cheapest ones are expensive. 33:06.700 --> 33:09.580 And to have it, that... 33:09.580 --> 33:15.360 Yeah, I mean, if you go out and you buy a GPS unit, let's say, I think the cheapest one I know of is the Garmin E-TREX. 33:15.360 --> 33:19.900 And I think the cheapest E-TREX model is probably like $80 or $90. 33:19.900 --> 33:21.720 That's my best guess. 33:22.120 --> 33:30.720 Now, you can go out and you can buy a Nextel that has a GPS in it that supports Java and, you know, works as a regular cell phone and does the little direct connect and all that other stuff. 33:31.080 --> 33:36.100 You can get one of those for probably $30 with a one-year contract. 33:37.280 --> 33:41.240 So, you know, get a phone and a GPS or just get the GPS. 33:41.240 --> 33:47.420 And the great thing about the phone is if you want to upgrade it and get new capabilities for your GPS, you just download a new program and that's it. 33:48.720 --> 33:49.080 So. 33:49.080 --> 33:53.400 You know, if somebody comes up with a new GPS application, just go ahead and use it. 33:53.740 --> 33:56.500 You don't have to worry about upgrading your old GPS and all that other junk. 33:57.700 --> 33:59.540 And this is from who again? 33:59.980 --> 34:00.340 Nextel. 34:01.320 --> 34:01.680 Nextel. 34:01.680 --> 34:12.120 The only problem I have with Nextel is that with Sprint, if I want to download and install an application, I can just point my phone to my website and it downloads the application for me. 34:12.200 --> 34:14.680 For some reason, and I might be missing how to do it. 34:14.720 --> 34:17.820 But on Nextel, I tried to do that and it said it couldn't recognize the file type. 34:18.240 --> 34:24.060 And apparently there's some, you have to sign up on Nextel's webpage and then have it message the application to your phone. 34:24.060 --> 34:27.580 And it's a strange setup and I'm not sure why it's like that. 34:27.660 --> 34:30.420 But if I can fix that problem, then it's the greatest thing ever. 34:30.940 --> 34:34.700 The next test is just how good their service is over the next couple of months and then I'm completely sold. 34:34.700 --> 34:41.160 No, yeah, definitely keep us informed on that because my contract, I'm happy with T-Mobile. 34:41.300 --> 34:41.900 They're okay. 34:42.560 --> 34:46.320 However, I purposely signed a short contract. 34:46.880 --> 34:55.260 I went with them, A, to try them out and B, because at the time they were one of the few that offered internet access and text messaging for a reasonable price. 34:55.640 --> 34:55.740 Right. 34:55.740 --> 35:01.400 So that's going to be up in, I think, I want to say three or four more months. 35:01.500 --> 35:07.500 So by then, you'll have a better grasp on what you think of Nextel and maybe it'll be time for me to switch. 35:08.320 --> 35:11.100 Oh, Nextel also has one more feature that I think is great. 35:12.160 --> 35:15.200 It's called ALS, which stands for Alternative Line Service. 35:15.780 --> 35:18.380 Let's say I went out and got a Nextel and I got a new phone number. 35:18.460 --> 35:20.460 I still have my Sprint phone with my old phone number on it. 35:20.460 --> 35:28.640 So in a month when my contract runs out, if I think Nextel is really that good, I'm going to transfer my Sprint phone number to my Nextel account, but I'm going to keep both numbers. 35:28.820 --> 35:31.140 I'm going to have two phone numbers on one Nextel phone. 35:31.760 --> 35:35.900 So I'm going to have one for work and one for personal use. 35:36.060 --> 35:42.880 And the great thing is you can set it up to ring differently for each one or you can turn off the ringer for one and you can make calls on one line and not on the other. 35:42.880 --> 35:49.100 So if you want to keep your work and your personal phone bills separate, you can do it on one phone, but you still get separate billing for it. 35:49.100 --> 35:50.900 It's a pretty cool setup. 35:51.680 --> 35:55.840 Yeah, that sounds like it might get confusing. 35:57.280 --> 36:01.680 It sounds like it could be cool in some ways, but messy in others, you know? 36:01.840 --> 36:06.800 Yeah, well, it's nice because you get one bill, but then you get itemized for each phone line. 36:06.800 --> 36:12.040 It sounds a little bit weird at first, but now that I've read through the documentation of it, it's really, really simple. 36:12.780 --> 36:12.860 Hmm. 36:13.840 --> 36:17.580 And actually, you said something else earlier that was interesting. 36:17.580 --> 36:23.480 You mentioned about support for the universal libraries for sound and video and stuff like that. 36:24.080 --> 36:24.220 Hmm. 36:24.720 --> 36:36.200 Now, that's something, correct me if I'm wrong, that you could incorporate and possibly have incorporated, hint, hint, into the DDP Freak Toys. 36:36.740 --> 36:37.520 Quite possibly. 36:37.520 --> 36:46.280 Now, the problem, the only problem is that it's only an application that uses these libraries is only going to work on a phone that supports that new mid-lit profile. 36:46.400 --> 36:53.900 But if anybody's got an i730 or something like that, once the next version of Freak Toys comes out, it's going to have support for some interesting stuff. 36:55.080 --> 36:55.800 Very cool. 36:55.800 --> 37:07.800 I don't know what else to say about it, but I guess maybe in another two months, once I've worked out all the library features, I'll release a new version and see what's up. 37:09.280 --> 37:10.160 Sounds very cool. 37:10.240 --> 37:12.380 I think we got a little bit of static there on the line or something. 37:12.700 --> 37:14.320 Yeah, I'm not quite sure what that was all about. 37:14.520 --> 37:14.840 Hmm. 37:14.980 --> 37:16.660 I've been having weird problems with this phone all night. 37:17.820 --> 37:19.780 Yeah, you're starting to fade out a little bit, too. 37:19.800 --> 37:21.740 I don't know if the battery's going low there on you or what. 37:21.820 --> 37:22.400 I don't know, man. 37:22.400 --> 37:24.060 I'm having bad luck with phones this week. 37:24.060 --> 37:36.640 Since we're also talking about GPS, you also mentioned, I had mentioned on the show in the past, too, something that sounded interesting that I would like to get involved with. 37:36.700 --> 37:42.200 I don't have a GPS unit to do this, but you said you have actually had some experience with geocaching? 37:43.040 --> 37:44.940 Yeah, I found the website a long time ago. 37:45.120 --> 37:52.480 I got a GPS to play around with at first, and then I started looking online and seeing if there's anything cool that people would come up to do with it. 37:52.480 --> 37:54.080 And then I found geocaching.com. 37:54.720 --> 37:56.480 And basically, they give you coordinates. 37:57.200 --> 38:02.580 They give you a description of an area and sometimes a couple of hints and plug the coordinates into your GPS. 38:03.400 --> 38:13.060 You drive as close as you can, then you get out and walk to wherever the location is, and you have to find some type of, like, it's usually like a little plastic box or something like that. 38:13.060 --> 38:18.460 It's just something that somebody hides out in the middle of nowhere, the GPS coordinates attached to it. 38:19.500 --> 38:22.640 So you go out and you find these things and you open them up. 38:22.720 --> 38:27.920 There's usually, I brought a couple of people along, and they're always like, oh, man, it's going to be the coolest thing. 38:27.980 --> 38:31.640 We're going to find gold or we're going to find hundreds of thousands of dollars lying around. 38:31.780 --> 38:32.340 No, no, no, no, no. 38:32.400 --> 38:33.100 It's not like that. 38:33.100 --> 38:37.800 Well, who's going to put out hundreds of – this is put out by other geocachers, right? 38:37.920 --> 38:39.020 It's put out by other people. 38:39.180 --> 38:40.980 Yeah, so who's going to put out millions of dollars? 38:41.240 --> 38:46.500 You know, I try to explain it to some people, but they've got this whole buried treasure thing stuck in their head. 38:46.960 --> 38:48.840 Well, it probably feels like a treasure hunt. 38:48.920 --> 38:52.660 Well, I mean, it is a treasure hunt, but it feels probably more immersive. 38:52.800 --> 38:54.960 You really get that spirit of adventure from it, I bet. 38:55.240 --> 38:58.980 Especially if it's a really good location, like you end up going through the woods and stuff like that. 39:00.640 --> 39:01.180 I don't know. 39:01.260 --> 39:02.380 You can really get into it. 39:02.600 --> 39:03.300 It's pretty cool. 39:03.400 --> 39:04.260 But usually you'll go there. 39:04.720 --> 39:08.060 You'll find like a little Tupperware container or a little plastic box or something like that. 39:08.360 --> 39:10.480 And what kind of stuff have you personally found? 39:11.620 --> 39:13.560 I've found – usually there's a notebook. 39:13.800 --> 39:17.500 People, you know, sign their name on the notebook, put a date and like a little comment or something like that. 39:17.500 --> 39:18.680 Almost always a notebook in it. 39:19.140 --> 39:20.720 Then people usually put little toys. 39:20.980 --> 39:22.660 Some people put like a couple of dollars. 39:22.660 --> 39:24.940 Some people say, you know, if you find it, take a dollar. 39:26.000 --> 39:30.800 There's been a couple that I've seen that people take – you know, they take watches or something that they had, 39:30.860 --> 39:33.080 and they say, you know, this is my new geocache. 39:33.300 --> 39:37.220 The first one to find it can take, you know, whatever type of watch I left in there. 39:37.280 --> 39:40.100 People leave disposable cameras so you can take a picture of yourself. 39:40.700 --> 39:42.220 See, I like that idea. 39:42.400 --> 39:44.420 Yeah, you take a picture of yourself, then you put it back in. 39:44.460 --> 39:48.660 And then once the person sees that enough people have been to the cache to fill up the camera, 39:48.660 --> 39:53.000 they go back, they develop the pictures, they scan them, and then they put them on some website somewhere 39:53.000 --> 39:55.560 or they email them to, you know, the people if they want them. 39:56.480 --> 40:03.360 Now, do you go online to the site after you found it so they know how many people have been there? 40:03.420 --> 40:06.040 Is that part of, like, the rules of the game or – 40:06.040 --> 40:06.700 Not really a rule. 40:06.800 --> 40:07.880 I mean, you can do it if you want to. 40:07.940 --> 40:08.860 Most people choose to. 40:09.020 --> 40:12.160 So you basically go on, you register for a name. 40:12.400 --> 40:14.060 You don't have to register for a name if you don't want to. 40:14.060 --> 40:18.420 But you can register for a name, search by zip code, and it will give you all the caches in your area. 40:19.120 --> 40:25.000 Go, download, print up the paperwork, find it, then come back, log back in, and you can leave a comment about it. 40:26.040 --> 40:26.940 All right, you know what? 40:27.220 --> 40:28.540 I'm going to say this on the radio. 40:28.640 --> 40:29.420 We're going to do this. 40:29.920 --> 40:36.100 When we go to H2K4, we're going to go bury a geocache somewhere down in the subway tunnels or some weird place. 40:36.240 --> 40:36.860 Oh, man. 40:37.000 --> 40:37.980 Do you think it would last? 40:38.280 --> 40:41.960 Well, the problem with the subway is you're not going to get any GPS service there. 40:41.980 --> 40:43.080 Oh, yeah, good point. 40:43.080 --> 40:46.060 What you have to do, people do put caches in the subway. 40:46.220 --> 40:46.680 I know this. 40:47.860 --> 40:53.960 What they usually do, though, is they'll usually give you a coordinate, and then they'll have an encoded message, 40:54.120 --> 40:58.140 and they'll say, they'll have the coordinate for, like, the top of, like, the stairway down to the subway. 40:58.560 --> 41:04.780 And then when you get there, you take the hint, and the hint says, okay, go downstairs, and it's near this thing or it's near that thing. 41:05.060 --> 41:08.380 People do put caches in places where you don't get GPS service. 41:08.860 --> 41:11.280 You know, there's too much tree coverage or it's underground or something like that. 41:11.280 --> 41:14.860 You have to give, you know, a very good hint as to where it is. 41:15.220 --> 41:23.260 So, but we could definitely hide something in either New York City or, you know, Long Island or Westchester County or something like, someplace near New York City when you're... 41:23.260 --> 41:24.660 We will make it a goal. 41:25.140 --> 41:28.220 You and I and anybody else who wants to go, we'll make it a goal. 41:28.520 --> 41:33.200 We'll start a new one, and we'll see if we can find one or two that are already out there. 41:33.560 --> 41:33.860 All right. 41:34.000 --> 41:34.460 Sound good? 41:34.700 --> 41:35.120 Yeah, man. 41:35.260 --> 41:36.760 Hopefully by then I'll have a... 41:36.760 --> 41:38.860 Well, you've got one anyway if I haven't gotten one. 41:38.920 --> 41:40.540 See, the one I'm looking at is for the car. 41:40.540 --> 41:46.080 And, you know, before we go into that whole thing, because let's save that for another show. 41:46.500 --> 41:46.820 Fair enough. 41:46.840 --> 41:48.460 Because GPS could get... 41:48.460 --> 41:50.180 We could make a whole show on that. 41:51.060 --> 41:57.520 So, yeah, let's stop there before we completely go off on a whole different tangent. 41:57.920 --> 41:59.340 Let's rein it back in. 41:59.620 --> 41:59.940 All right. 42:01.300 --> 42:03.540 It really sounds interesting. 42:03.540 --> 42:03.980 Interesting. 42:04.300 --> 42:12.180 I know I mentioned one of our listeners was going to burn a couple copies of BinRev Radio to CD and put in a geocache. 42:12.860 --> 42:13.900 So that could be cool. 42:14.000 --> 42:16.980 Maybe we'll take some copies of the magazine and put in there. 42:17.280 --> 42:18.200 Yeah, that sounds like a plan to say. 42:18.200 --> 42:19.240 You know, something like that. 42:19.300 --> 42:20.500 So we can contribute. 42:20.660 --> 42:21.500 It's not about taking. 42:21.640 --> 42:22.880 It's also about contributing. 42:22.880 --> 42:26.980 So, you know, we'll do something like that when we go to H2K4. 42:27.420 --> 42:31.880 Which, has it ever been given a different name or nickname, or is it still... 42:31.880 --> 42:33.200 I don't know. 42:33.980 --> 42:37.020 Most people I hear when they talk about it, they just call it the Hope Conference. 42:38.920 --> 42:41.840 I haven't heard anything more than that. 42:43.260 --> 42:49.540 Yeah, they made it a point to say we're just calling it H2K4 right now until we come up with a better name, 42:49.600 --> 42:51.480 but I still haven't heard that new name. 42:52.620 --> 42:55.600 And it still doesn't have a site dedicated to it yet, I don't think. 42:55.920 --> 42:58.180 No, I'm looking at the website now, and it just says... 42:58.180 --> 43:02.400 Yeah, they just say the next Hope Conference will take place from July 9th to July 11th. 43:02.680 --> 43:03.040 Right. 43:03.540 --> 43:06.860 So, yeah, that's going to be a good weekend, a good week. 43:06.920 --> 43:11.240 I might take a nice long vacation, like I was telling you, off the air. 43:11.240 --> 43:15.460 And take a nice tour of New York City. 43:15.980 --> 43:17.860 The DDP drinking tour, 2004. 43:18.100 --> 43:19.060 That's right, baby. 43:19.580 --> 43:20.880 Scores, here we come. 43:21.060 --> 43:21.660 Oh, Jesus. 43:22.360 --> 43:26.380 You're going to take me to every nasty back alley strip bar. 43:26.620 --> 43:26.960 Whoa. 43:27.400 --> 43:28.160 Be careful. 43:28.420 --> 43:30.140 You don't want to go to some of them. 43:30.480 --> 43:31.260 Yeah, you probably... 43:31.260 --> 43:33.660 Well, we're definitely going to avoid the Blue Oyster. 43:34.340 --> 43:34.580 Okay. 43:34.580 --> 43:36.040 Stay away from that one. 43:37.220 --> 43:43.160 Yeah, I'm sure if you really want to look for dirty-ass strip clubs, yeah, we can find you some. 43:43.580 --> 43:46.200 Well, maybe it's better we stay with the cleaner ones. 43:46.200 --> 43:50.260 It's probably better we stay away from them all together, but, you know. 43:50.260 --> 43:55.320 Yeah, we might want to get off this topic now before I say something really stupid. 43:55.980 --> 43:57.540 So, what's next on the list? 43:57.540 --> 43:58.040 Dude, come on. 43:58.080 --> 44:02.260 I say something stupid every show, you know, from when the show starts to when it ends, so... 44:02.980 --> 44:07.180 Well, if you really want to, I know of a strip club in the Bronx that has metal detectors in it. 44:07.240 --> 44:09.280 So, if you want to go to a ghetto one, that's the one. 44:09.280 --> 44:12.040 Ooh, man, check your gat at the door. 44:13.500 --> 44:13.980 Who takes... 44:13.980 --> 44:14.300 Wait a minute. 44:14.340 --> 44:15.200 Who takes... 44:15.200 --> 44:15.800 Never mind. 44:16.500 --> 44:17.180 Don't even ask. 44:17.220 --> 44:18.180 Yeah, who takes... 44:18.180 --> 44:18.960 Who goes... 44:18.960 --> 44:19.640 Never mind. 44:20.280 --> 44:21.240 It's the Bronx. 44:23.780 --> 44:24.620 Okay, whatever. 44:24.780 --> 44:24.980 I'll... 44:24.980 --> 44:25.140 Yeah. 44:25.520 --> 44:26.080 You're right. 44:26.120 --> 44:26.960 Let's leave that alone. 44:28.240 --> 44:28.880 All right. 44:28.880 --> 44:31.080 Well, yeah, that's enough. 44:31.420 --> 44:32.000 That's enough. 44:32.140 --> 44:32.880 We've got... 44:34.220 --> 44:36.560 I'm not going to go... 44:36.560 --> 44:43.400 Last episode, our big topic was the big hack, or the big con, whatever you want to call it. 44:44.380 --> 44:53.700 And I basically brought out a lot of information about what the big hack is, and what the big hack is not. 44:55.060 --> 44:56.840 And did you listen to that episode yet? 44:57.560 --> 44:58.860 Yes, I got to listen to it. 44:58.920 --> 44:59.160 Okay. 45:01.040 --> 45:02.640 I thought it was pretty clear. 45:02.640 --> 45:05.600 I really thought that I... 45:05.600 --> 45:12.080 I even read literal quotes from the site, so I thought it was pretty clear. 45:12.660 --> 45:23.100 And I'm not going to go back into it a lot on this episode, but I just did want to remind people that the big hack is interactive fiction. 45:24.640 --> 45:25.580 So you say. 45:26.400 --> 45:27.700 Oh, don't go there. 45:27.700 --> 45:30.640 See, now, how is... 45:30.640 --> 45:33.600 How is that a defense, so I say? 45:34.180 --> 45:35.500 Well, so does the owner. 45:35.660 --> 45:38.240 So does the site itself say in its disclaimer. 45:39.220 --> 45:40.340 It's a mind game, dude. 45:40.860 --> 45:41.640 Yeah, yeah, I know. 45:41.780 --> 45:43.560 It will hacksore your mind. 45:43.780 --> 45:45.520 Oh, my God. 45:45.860 --> 45:47.640 Yeah, well, you know... 45:47.640 --> 45:48.380 And you know what? 45:48.420 --> 45:49.900 Actually, I'm going to go with that. 45:49.960 --> 45:51.540 I'm going to say, yes, it will hacksore your mind. 45:52.400 --> 45:53.560 I'm going to agree with that. 45:53.660 --> 45:53.960 That is... 45:53.960 --> 45:54.860 Or another, it will. 45:55.500 --> 45:55.900 Exactly. 45:55.900 --> 45:57.800 In some ways, more than others. 45:58.640 --> 46:05.060 But, you know, at the same time, keep in mind that it's interactive fiction. 46:05.960 --> 46:12.240 To prove that, they've already announced some of their other upcoming projects. 46:12.680 --> 46:14.540 It's not just the big hack. 46:14.620 --> 46:21.460 You can go to hackback.org, which is the company that's running this, or company, or group, or whatever you want to call it. 46:21.460 --> 46:24.200 And they've already announced some of their upcoming projects. 46:24.300 --> 46:37.760 The next one is called Deity Free, and it's some kind of atheist, what if there were no god, what if there were no religion, what if there were no gods, or deities, or powers, and stuff like that. 46:37.760 --> 46:40.120 But, it's another piece of interactive fiction. 46:41.580 --> 46:42.600 And it's... 46:42.600 --> 46:46.120 There's another one after that. 46:46.180 --> 46:47.820 I forgot the name of it offhand. 46:48.040 --> 46:50.660 But, the same person. 46:50.820 --> 46:53.900 You know, you're saying that it's... 46:53.900 --> 46:56.880 People still think it's real, and they're still defending it. 46:56.880 --> 47:01.180 Even, like you said, as a joke, that it's a big mind game, and... 47:01.180 --> 47:04.720 Oh, no, it may look fake, but that site's just a parody site. 47:05.500 --> 47:07.560 No, it's not a parody. 47:08.720 --> 47:15.720 If you look closely, you'll see that all of the sites that we've mentioned are registered and owned by the same person. 47:16.080 --> 47:16.460 Uh-oh. 47:17.080 --> 47:20.340 I mean, is he doing a parody of his own site? 47:20.700 --> 47:23.960 Maybe it's fake registrant information on one of the domains. 47:23.960 --> 47:27.880 Somebody copied someone else's registration information? 47:28.180 --> 47:28.800 Yeah, why not? 47:29.040 --> 47:30.220 Wow, see? 47:30.980 --> 47:33.260 Although, I have to say, the phone number is fake. 47:34.280 --> 47:37.780 The guy's phone number on the site is 555-1411. 47:38.200 --> 47:39.900 Well, 555, of course. 47:41.200 --> 47:41.680 Uh-oh. 47:42.420 --> 47:43.020 Hmm. 47:43.220 --> 47:43.960 It's getting deep. 47:44.420 --> 47:45.100 It's deep. 47:45.380 --> 47:46.960 It will hacksore your mind. 47:47.660 --> 47:49.180 Man, I'm knee-deep in the bullshit. 47:49.220 --> 47:51.040 I'm quoting Decoder there. 47:51.220 --> 47:53.940 Actually, it was hacksore your mind. 47:53.960 --> 47:59.340 Anyway, hey, you can double-talk it all you want, spin it, whatever you... 47:59.340 --> 48:00.120 It's fake. 48:00.740 --> 48:02.040 Some people are in denial. 48:03.600 --> 48:06.240 I don't know what else to say about it. 48:07.060 --> 48:10.540 Except, hey, that's all on you, man. 48:11.240 --> 48:12.320 It's all on you. 48:12.380 --> 48:14.480 Whatever floats your boat. 48:14.920 --> 48:18.220 They are, I have to say, though, they are hosted by the same company. 48:19.220 --> 48:21.340 Hackback.org was registered first. 48:21.460 --> 48:23.600 It was registered in 2002 sometime. 48:24.600 --> 48:28.300 And the registering information is exactly the same for both. 48:28.620 --> 48:28.940 Exactly. 48:30.500 --> 48:31.160 So whatever. 48:31.360 --> 48:35.680 Somebody will say that, you know, whoever registered Hackback.org just copied the information, 48:35.840 --> 48:37.040 even though they registered first. 48:37.040 --> 48:43.100 Or maybe the bighack.org copied Hackback to just confuse everybody even more. 48:43.160 --> 48:43.700 But you know what? 48:44.620 --> 48:46.320 I don't even know if I care anymore. 48:47.260 --> 48:48.280 Well, and you know what? 48:48.320 --> 48:49.040 Let's go back to... 48:49.040 --> 48:57.540 You and I talked off the air a couple times about the bighack when it first came out. 48:57.760 --> 48:57.980 Yeah. 48:59.200 --> 49:00.440 And I think... 49:00.440 --> 49:03.360 Now, I don't want to put words into your mouth, but... 49:03.360 --> 49:06.240 So if I say something incorrect, my memory may be fuzzy. 49:06.340 --> 49:13.020 But I thought we agreed back then that fundamentally this thing was flawed from the get-go. 49:13.020 --> 49:21.340 The whole idea of what the bighack is as far as using a one-time pad, temporary encryption, putting the files together... 49:21.340 --> 49:23.340 Just the whole concept of it... 49:23.340 --> 49:23.580 Right. 49:23.840 --> 49:26.680 ...would never actually stand up in court. 49:26.980 --> 49:27.380 Right. 49:27.480 --> 49:29.560 Did you, or do you still agree with that? 49:29.760 --> 49:36.300 I still do agree with that because the premise of the bighack that I saw is that you can't copyright a number 49:36.300 --> 49:38.740 and that everything can be reduced to a number. 49:39.000 --> 49:39.580 You know something? 49:40.580 --> 49:41.100 That's... 49:41.100 --> 49:43.940 In some sense, you could say, oh, okay, you know, that makes a lot of sense. 49:44.100 --> 49:52.580 But for you to go to a judge and say, oh, well, everything of copyright law is just crap because you can't copyright a number, 49:52.940 --> 49:54.500 that doesn't really work. 49:54.980 --> 49:56.460 Yeah, and I said it as a joke. 49:56.540 --> 50:00.540 It's kind of a neat, you know, sitting there drinking beer with the guys, wouldn't this be cool? 50:00.800 --> 50:02.060 You know, sounds like a good idea. 50:02.260 --> 50:08.000 And even so far as to say, well, what if one person's numbers overlap with someone else's numbers? 50:08.000 --> 50:10.560 You know, they kind of use that example. 50:11.340 --> 50:15.760 You know, that's true of anything on the planet Earth. 50:16.420 --> 50:16.520 Right. 50:16.520 --> 50:17.860 I am made up of numbers. 50:18.060 --> 50:21.420 Math is the central point of everything that exists. 50:21.420 --> 50:31.600 I could say Starry Night, Van Gogh, Salvador Dali, I can take The Scream, I can take, God, any famous painting. 50:31.700 --> 50:33.000 Take just the Mona Lisa. 50:33.000 --> 50:45.080 It is broken down to numbers, paint, colors of so much percent RGB, so much percent of the primary colors mixed a certain way. 50:46.700 --> 50:52.120 Using that same theory, you can't copyright the Mona Lisa, you can't copyright a piece of art. 50:52.340 --> 50:53.080 Right, exactly. 50:53.080 --> 51:04.140 Because it breaks down technically to spots of ink with a mixture, a percentage, a number, definition of how many shades of what color go where. 51:04.720 --> 51:11.880 And that's exactly what an MP3, which is fundamentally what the off system is, breaking it down at what number goes where. 51:12.000 --> 51:13.720 And it just happens to create something. 51:13.820 --> 51:14.540 Well, guess what? 51:14.540 --> 51:21.340 That the whole world just happens to be created and built from the ground up based on science and mathematics. 51:21.640 --> 51:25.940 And that's not, that's just a law of nature. 51:26.100 --> 51:28.200 It's not a copyright law. 51:28.600 --> 51:30.360 Yeah, it just, it doesn't make sense. 51:30.500 --> 51:37.840 It's like they're taking the whole concept and breaking it down to such a point where it's not even this, they're not even talking about the same thing anymore. 51:37.840 --> 51:44.700 I mean, if they wanted to break it down like that, why wouldn't they just say, oh, everything's made up of numbers and, you know, everything's made up of zeros and ones. 51:44.800 --> 51:46.880 Because with binary, you can represent any number you want. 51:47.340 --> 51:50.460 You know, you can just say that right off the bat and you don't even need to talk about it anymore. 51:50.640 --> 51:54.600 But that's just, that's breaking down the problem too far to where it doesn't even make sense anymore. 51:55.460 --> 51:55.780 Yeah. 51:56.920 --> 52:01.360 Well, hey, maybe, let's say this. 52:01.800 --> 52:04.180 Maybe we've got it all wrong. 52:05.020 --> 52:05.380 Maybe. 52:06.700 --> 52:07.700 But, I don't know. 52:08.160 --> 52:09.840 I tend to, I tend to doubt that. 52:10.400 --> 52:14.000 I'm going to, I'm going to just say, I'm going to leave it like that. 52:14.340 --> 52:16.460 Maybe I'm way off. 52:17.400 --> 52:17.940 I don't know. 52:18.360 --> 52:20.120 Maybe not, but maybe I'm way off. 52:20.340 --> 52:24.180 The other problem I had with it was they were talking about all these one-time pads and stuff like that. 52:24.580 --> 52:31.080 And trying to say that because we're, we're, we're passing around two numbers that aren't this original number. 52:31.080 --> 52:34.140 Like, they're passing around two files that, when combined, become the MP3. 52:34.480 --> 52:36.580 They say, oh, we're not, we're not passing around MP3s. 52:36.580 --> 52:38.000 We're just passing around these two files. 52:38.420 --> 52:43.060 Well, you know, you bring that into court and what the judge is going to see is that you're trying to cover your tracks. 52:43.120 --> 52:44.480 And they're going to consider it encryption. 52:44.840 --> 52:45.920 Because essentially it is. 52:46.000 --> 52:46.880 It's a one-time pad. 52:46.880 --> 52:47.500 Right. 52:47.720 --> 52:50.680 That's absolutely what a one-time pad is, temporary encryption. 52:51.020 --> 52:51.220 Yeah. 52:51.300 --> 53:06.860 So when you say, when you bring that up to the judge, you're going to have a hard time explaining why you happen to have these two files that just, for some reason, you know, combine together to create this eight megabyte file, which matches, you know, this copyright owner's material. 53:06.860 --> 53:11.760 You know, maybe if it was a 10-byte file, you could say, oh, well, you know, there's a coincidence there. 53:11.840 --> 53:12.660 But eight megabytes? 53:12.760 --> 53:13.400 I don't think so. 53:14.500 --> 53:24.820 And I even mentioned before, too, if you're, if you're going for the simple offset idea, the simple fact that you've offset it and made it differently than what it intended. 53:25.200 --> 53:25.420 Right. 53:25.420 --> 53:31.580 But you don't even need, if that's the logic of it anyway, you don't even really need a one-time pad or deep encryption. 53:31.720 --> 53:36.180 Just add one more bit and you've changed it. 53:36.820 --> 53:37.220 Yeah. 53:37.280 --> 53:38.540 Make it like a big Caesar cipher. 53:38.680 --> 53:39.640 Just everything plus one. 53:39.780 --> 53:39.980 Yeah. 53:40.240 --> 53:44.000 You don't even have to make it so complex with all the one-time pad, blah, blah, blah. 53:44.000 --> 54:00.380 If that's the theory and the logic behind it, simply make a player, develop a player that takes in an MP2 and a half, MP2.999, add one bit to it to create an MP3 on the fly, which is what they are proposing. 54:00.800 --> 54:01.100 Right. 54:01.740 --> 54:03.920 And accomplish the same thing with that logic. 54:04.220 --> 54:06.960 And that also would not stand up in court. 54:08.320 --> 54:08.840 Yep. 54:09.900 --> 54:11.280 Or so we think. 54:11.640 --> 54:12.640 Yeah, or so we think. 54:12.640 --> 54:18.060 You know what, when they go to court and the judge says, you know what, you guys are totally right, then I'll buy it. 54:18.180 --> 54:22.720 But that would throw the whole world of copyright on its ass. 54:23.060 --> 54:24.980 They would turn the entire copy. 54:25.040 --> 54:26.880 And you know what, that's what they're trying to do. 54:27.200 --> 54:27.420 I am. 54:27.420 --> 54:31.180 Maybe, and I'm going to go back and end it with this again. 54:31.520 --> 54:33.760 Maybe we've got it all wrong. 54:34.560 --> 54:34.860 Fair enough. 54:34.860 --> 54:36.600 Maybe they've got it all right. 54:36.660 --> 54:38.220 We've got it all wrong. 54:38.760 --> 54:39.980 And it's all real. 54:40.120 --> 54:41.680 And it's all going to stand up in court. 54:41.680 --> 54:44.120 And they've got the talent and the skill set to do it. 54:44.400 --> 54:47.960 All the things that we think are wrong, they've got it right. 54:48.380 --> 54:50.420 Maybe they're on the right track and we blew it. 54:51.360 --> 54:51.980 But you know what? 54:52.500 --> 54:53.320 I'm cool with that. 54:53.600 --> 54:54.420 I'll take my chances. 54:54.940 --> 54:55.520 Fair enough. 54:55.520 --> 54:56.740 All right. 54:56.740 --> 54:59.480 We are running low on time. 54:59.580 --> 55:02.500 However, I do want to touch this one more topic. 55:03.220 --> 55:09.420 Have you found or heard of any information about the new power over Ethernet protocols? 55:09.420 --> 55:16.400 I've seen equipment, I think, from D-Link before that supplies power over Ethernet to certain devices. 55:16.620 --> 55:21.780 And I think Axid, I think it's Axid or Axis, one of the two. 55:21.900 --> 55:26.840 They're a company that makes security cameras that have Ethernet jacks in the back. 55:26.840 --> 55:28.040 So you've got a web server on it. 55:28.040 --> 55:28.880 Yeah, that's... 55:28.880 --> 55:30.040 Oh, what is that company? 55:30.460 --> 55:31.920 I know exactly what you're talking about. 55:31.940 --> 55:33.000 I can't think of the name of it either. 55:33.320 --> 55:34.780 Yeah, I think it's Axis. 55:35.180 --> 55:36.220 No, I think it's Axis. 55:36.480 --> 55:37.040 There's one of the... 55:37.040 --> 55:37.660 Something like that. 55:37.720 --> 55:38.560 Something along those lines. 55:38.600 --> 55:40.560 I think it's A-X-X-I-S? 55:42.240 --> 55:42.560 Possibly? 55:43.120 --> 55:43.520 I don't know. 55:43.560 --> 55:44.480 I can't remember exactly. 55:44.580 --> 55:45.220 Yeah, I can't either. 55:45.320 --> 55:47.020 We'll look it up and put it in the show notes later. 55:47.080 --> 55:48.100 I do know what you're talking about. 55:48.100 --> 55:52.780 Yeah, I think they have a camera that takes power over Ethernet, which is really, really nice 55:52.780 --> 55:57.340 because running power and Ethernet to a distant location is a real pain in the ass. 55:57.880 --> 56:01.180 Yeah, well, I liked it the first time when it was called USB. 56:02.520 --> 56:03.760 But actually, this is not. 56:03.880 --> 56:08.780 This is, to be specific, first of all, this is 802.3 AF. 56:09.560 --> 56:09.860 Right. 56:10.180 --> 56:15.680 It is PoE, power over Ethernet, and it basically carries power. 56:16.440 --> 56:17.320 Now, did we... 56:17.320 --> 56:19.720 I don't have statistics of how much. 56:19.720 --> 56:22.720 You were theorizing earlier how much power... 56:22.720 --> 56:29.180 Yeah, I wanted to say, and this may be a little too high, but I wanted to say that it could supply 30 watts, 56:29.840 --> 56:31.140 which is a decent amount of power. 56:31.220 --> 56:32.560 It may not sound like it, but it really is. 56:33.180 --> 56:35.560 Yeah, as long as it has enough power... 56:35.560 --> 56:40.180 I mean, the whole point is to send power to power a device, like a camera. 56:40.420 --> 56:40.660 Right. 56:40.740 --> 56:42.240 Or a wireless access point. 56:42.240 --> 56:46.020 Or a router, hub, any, you know, anything. 56:46.160 --> 56:50.320 A router may not happen, but, you know, a simple hub, any number of devices. 56:50.420 --> 56:56.800 As long as there's enough power to power that device, yet you still have the distance of the Cat5 media. 56:57.220 --> 56:57.480 Right. 56:57.640 --> 57:01.700 As opposed to USB, where you have very limited power and very limited distance. 57:02.080 --> 57:02.480 Exactly. 57:02.660 --> 57:05.160 So, this is going to be a big deal. 57:05.220 --> 57:06.200 I really think it is. 57:06.400 --> 57:06.600 Yeah. 57:06.600 --> 57:10.580 I don't think it's going to be a huge earth-shattering thing, but this is going to be very handy. 57:11.060 --> 57:11.180 Well... 57:11.180 --> 57:12.740 It's actually using... 57:12.740 --> 57:13.360 I'm sorry, go ahead. 57:13.500 --> 57:17.180 I was going to say, it's been out for a while, but nobody really has any equipment that supports it yet. 57:17.280 --> 57:20.780 And these network cameras are one of the first things that I've seen that make use of it. 57:20.860 --> 57:23.420 Well, see, I think they just made it official. 57:23.560 --> 57:24.600 I think they finally just approved... 57:25.580 --> 57:25.780 Oh. 57:25.880 --> 57:28.860 ...the finalized version of the 802.3 AF. 57:29.300 --> 57:34.640 It's been going all along, and the equipment that was out will probably be compatible. 57:35.500 --> 57:39.540 It might need some BIOS upgrade or some firmware upgrade, something like that. 57:40.360 --> 57:44.880 But I think now that it's final, then there's going to be a lot more stuff rolling out. 57:44.960 --> 57:45.960 Yeah, it's definitely not new. 57:46.040 --> 57:50.600 It's been in process, but it's using... 57:50.600 --> 57:51.040 I know this. 57:51.040 --> 57:52.040 I know it uses... 57:52.680 --> 57:58.740 In Cat5, there are some spare wires that aren't used, specifically 4, 5, 7, and 8. 57:59.380 --> 58:01.940 That they can put a small amount of power through each one of those. 58:02.000 --> 58:05.820 And not only those, but it can piggyback on other wire pairs. 58:07.540 --> 58:09.600 And the extra... 58:09.600 --> 58:14.320 What I found even more interesting about it is that it's not... 58:14.320 --> 58:20.880 See, when you send power through a wire, you worry about where it's going to end up. 58:21.180 --> 58:21.580 Right. 58:21.580 --> 58:26.900 You don't want to send that something on the other end that's going to not accept the power 58:26.900 --> 58:29.520 and freak out and blow up or something or catch on fire. 58:29.680 --> 58:30.140 Yeah, exactly. 58:30.220 --> 58:36.820 Well, the power on these things is so small individually that if you were to send this to an old legacy device, 58:37.080 --> 58:38.900 it would basically bounce back. 58:38.960 --> 58:40.040 It would just ignore it. 58:40.540 --> 58:41.800 It wouldn't cause any damage. 58:41.800 --> 58:45.860 If it's not set up to accept it, it's not really going to be a big... 58:45.860 --> 58:46.960 Not going to be a big deal. 58:47.020 --> 58:48.460 It's not going to really be any harm. 58:48.540 --> 58:49.420 So that's kind of cool. 58:51.000 --> 58:51.440 But... 58:51.440 --> 58:53.860 If you think about this, when you're setting... 58:53.860 --> 58:56.580 And even people who've set it up at their house have run into this problem. 58:57.100 --> 59:00.600 You want to set up, for example, a wireless access point. 59:01.500 --> 59:01.700 Or... 59:01.700 --> 59:02.520 And that's why... 59:02.520 --> 59:03.680 Those are the two perfect things. 59:03.800 --> 59:06.880 Wireless cameras, or just cameras, and access points. 59:07.200 --> 59:09.060 Those are the two best things for it. 59:09.080 --> 59:14.240 Because let's say you wanted to set up a surveillance camera at your front door of your house. 59:14.960 --> 59:15.820 See who's coming in. 59:15.840 --> 59:17.260 Or even at the back door of your house. 59:18.280 --> 59:22.140 You would have to plug the camera in to get power to it. 59:22.900 --> 59:26.280 And there's not always power outlets on the outside of your house. 59:26.280 --> 59:28.820 You don't have an AC outlet in a lot of these places. 59:29.540 --> 59:33.900 And when you're setting up an access point or internet connection, networking equipment, 59:33.900 --> 59:38.820 you have to place it near an AC adapter or somewhere where you can jack in to get power. 59:39.420 --> 59:40.480 So that limits you. 59:40.580 --> 59:47.840 So you may find yourself having to buy a couple extra laps to fill in gaps in the corners of buildings, for example. 59:47.900 --> 59:48.660 And stuff like that. 59:48.820 --> 59:52.460 Because you don't have power in the corners of those buildings. 59:52.580 --> 59:53.100 Or you don't... 59:53.100 --> 59:55.620 You know, you have to buy an extra one just to cover something. 59:56.100 --> 01:00:00.440 Because you can't reach certain parts of the building for reasons of not having power. 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.000 Now, with this power over ethernet, you can do that. 01:00:04.220 --> 01:00:07.540 You can put one in the farthest corner of the building in the stairwell, 01:00:08.100 --> 01:00:10.400 where there's no power outlet or something silly like that, 01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:12.540 and now have coverage through that corner. 01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:18.000 So you can save money on not having to buy as many devices. 01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:22.640 And that's why a lot of corporate places, a lot of businesses are going to like this. 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:24.340 And stuff like that. 01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:28.640 Like we said, cameras, WAPs... 01:00:28.640 --> 01:00:31.460 Now, the reason this is important to us, 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:33.320 the reason this is important to us as hackers, 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.540 what makes this interesting, is exactly what I said. 01:00:36.740 --> 01:00:38.960 Putting a wireless access point in the corner of the building, 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:39.820 guess what? 01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:41.720 That's going to stretch further into the parking lot. 01:00:42.160 --> 01:00:45.140 Or into the road, or into the alley, or wherever you want to be. 01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:47.680 War driving just became even easier than... 01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:49.060 Like it needed to be easier. 01:00:49.540 --> 01:00:49.900 Yeah. 01:00:50.040 --> 01:00:51.440 They just made it that much easier. 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.500 They have created... 01:00:53.500 --> 01:00:58.160 And this is a dream that a lot of hackers and non-hackers alike have had 01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:02.160 in this theoretical project that people want and would like to have. 01:01:02.220 --> 01:01:04.220 A canopy is the term. 01:01:04.640 --> 01:01:09.420 A wireless internet canopy where so many people have wireless 01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:13.580 that the zones, the radius of that wireless outreach, 01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:19.260 overlaps with everyone else's so much so that you develop a canopy. 01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:20.860 Now, I've heard tell... 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:21.660 I don't know if this is true. 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:22.920 Maybe you can back me up on this. 01:01:23.220 --> 01:01:25.560 I've heard that you can go down Manhattan, 01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:27.860 or down places in New York, 01:01:28.020 --> 01:01:31.820 and have a constant, non-stop access to the internet 01:01:31.820 --> 01:01:35.060 because there's a canopy enveloping the whole city 01:01:35.060 --> 01:01:37.980 from all the different buildings being on top of each other, 01:01:38.060 --> 01:01:38.860 next to each other, 01:01:39.020 --> 01:01:43.080 that you can have constant access because there's so much there. 01:01:44.040 --> 01:01:45.700 Yeah, I can back that up. 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:46.920 The first time I went war driving, 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:48.780 I drove through the Bronx, 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.100 then I drove into Manhattan, 01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:52.120 then I drove down Central Park West, 01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:55.180 which is obviously the west side of Central Park, 01:01:55.340 --> 01:01:58.160 when the people around there have lots and lots and lots of money, 01:01:58.340 --> 01:01:59.500 and I can't even tell you, 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.940 we recorded hundreds and hundreds of access points. 01:02:03.640 --> 01:02:05.100 It got to the point where it was just boring. 01:02:05.240 --> 01:02:06.740 We had no interest to even do it anymore. 01:02:06.860 --> 01:02:08.660 But you can get internet access there. 01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:09.580 At least when we did it, 01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:11.360 you could get it anywhere you wanted. 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.660 And even when we were on the west side highway, 01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:15.600 pretty far away from the buildings, 01:02:15.820 --> 01:02:17.240 we were driving 80 miles an hour, 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:19.480 and we were hitting an occasional access point here and there too. 01:02:20.200 --> 01:02:22.140 So, it's everywhere. 01:02:22.620 --> 01:02:23.360 Anywhere in Manhattan. 01:02:24.080 --> 01:02:24.240 Right. 01:02:24.580 --> 01:02:24.960 And, you know, 01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:26.520 in a place like Manhattan, 01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:27.340 there's, 01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:28.000 or, you know, 01:02:28.040 --> 01:02:28.800 any big city, 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:31.040 there's all the buildings, 01:02:31.160 --> 01:02:31.780 all the companies, 01:02:31.940 --> 01:02:32.480 all these things, 01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:35.620 the canopy is a very real possibility. 01:02:35.620 --> 01:02:38.180 In more rural areas, 01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:41.620 you don't have the buildings and the businesses so close together, 01:02:41.740 --> 01:02:44.040 so that's where the gaps and the canopy come in. 01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.880 So, you can't have a continuous canopy over the entire United States, 01:02:48.040 --> 01:02:48.500 or earth, 01:02:48.540 --> 01:02:49.780 or whatever you want to imagine. 01:02:50.600 --> 01:02:50.740 Right. 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:51.220 However, 01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:53.800 this technology, 01:02:54.680 --> 01:02:56.060 still not the complete answer, 01:02:56.140 --> 01:02:56.960 but this is helpful. 01:02:57.700 --> 01:02:58.040 And, 01:02:58.160 --> 01:02:59.040 the reason is because 01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:00.780 you can start taking this further and further, 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:01.840 away from buildings, 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:02.780 away from places, 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:05.200 by stretching and running that Cat 5, 01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:06.360 wherever you want to. 01:03:06.980 --> 01:03:07.260 You know, 01:03:07.340 --> 01:03:08.100 you can run this, 01:03:08.560 --> 01:03:09.680 you used to have one in your house, 01:03:09.740 --> 01:03:12.360 now you could run it out to the edge of your driveway or something, 01:03:12.460 --> 01:03:12.580 for, 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.460 I don't know what reason you would want to. 01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:15.600 You know, 01:03:15.680 --> 01:03:17.240 you could maybe hook up with a neighbor, 01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.900 and put your access point in between your houses, 01:03:20.060 --> 01:03:20.880 and get enough coverage, 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.320 because you now have the flexibility with the power over the ethernet, 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:25.460 to put it in a central, 01:03:26.300 --> 01:03:27.400 and put it in a box, 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:28.120 or out in the, 01:03:28.540 --> 01:03:28.840 you know, 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:30.340 in the power shed, 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:31.540 or your phone shed, 01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:32.600 or something like that. 01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:35.520 Or you can actually cover two houses, 01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:36.960 with one device now. 01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:38.920 So you're actually spreading the ability, 01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:41.080 and the reach of these things, 01:03:41.140 --> 01:03:41.780 because of this. 01:03:43.180 --> 01:03:43.960 And then, 01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:44.840 on top of that, 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.500 you start putting in things like, 01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:48.160 transmitters, 01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:49.020 antennas, 01:03:49.240 --> 01:03:51.380 to help even spread that even further. 01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:52.540 You know, 01:03:52.580 --> 01:03:53.740 you get to the point where, 01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:55.620 we don't even need can antennas. 01:03:56.040 --> 01:03:57.200 We don't even need to, 01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:58.140 to really work, 01:03:58.140 --> 01:04:00.120 to find the signal. 01:04:00.120 --> 01:04:01.920 The signals are growing, 01:04:02.120 --> 01:04:02.940 and spreading so much, 01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:04.000 that they're finding us. 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:05.760 And that, 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.320 is a very cool thing. 01:04:08.700 --> 01:04:10.180 Not only from a hacking standpoint, 01:04:10.340 --> 01:04:10.480 yeah, 01:04:10.540 --> 01:04:11.620 that's kind of handy for us, 01:04:11.640 --> 01:04:12.420 and that's cool and all, 01:04:12.520 --> 01:04:12.720 but, 01:04:13.460 --> 01:04:14.300 like I said, 01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:15.140 we already had that. 01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:17.200 It's already so commonplace, 01:04:17.240 --> 01:04:17.620 like you said, 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:18.800 you got bored with it sometimes. 01:04:19.100 --> 01:04:19.300 Yeah. 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:20.320 If I ever want it, 01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:20.700 or need it, 01:04:20.700 --> 01:04:21.440 it's already there. 01:04:21.560 --> 01:04:22.760 I don't have to look real hard. 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:25.300 But the simple fact of, 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:27.260 a wireless world, 01:04:27.260 --> 01:04:28.720 you know, 01:04:28.740 --> 01:04:29.880 we're moving in that direction. 01:04:30.980 --> 01:04:31.220 Yep. 01:04:31.220 --> 01:04:31.920 Is it complete? 01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:32.440 Is it, 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:32.780 you know, 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:33.260 absolute? 01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:34.060 No, 01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:35.020 it's still theoretical, 01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:35.400 but, 01:04:36.040 --> 01:04:37.760 we're making progress towards it. 01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:39.160 I think that's a cool thing. 01:04:39.240 --> 01:04:39.560 Progress, 01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:41.160 I like progress in general. 01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.360 Progress is a very good thing. 01:04:44.100 --> 01:04:44.260 Yeah, 01:04:44.300 --> 01:04:44.640 definitely. 01:04:44.780 --> 01:04:45.380 And one of the, 01:04:45.380 --> 01:04:46.320 cool applications, 01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:47.940 that some people might not be aware of, 01:04:47.980 --> 01:04:48.900 is that with a PDA, 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:50.800 and a piece of software called, 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:52.280 I think it's called X-Lite, 01:04:52.460 --> 01:04:53.400 it's a phone application. 01:04:53.580 --> 01:04:54.080 You can use, 01:04:54.140 --> 01:04:55.600 a free world dial-up, 01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:56.500 which is basically like, 01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:58.660 a voice over IP only phone system. 01:04:59.100 --> 01:05:00.820 You can use your PDA as a phone, 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:01.620 and call other people, 01:05:01.740 --> 01:05:03.580 who have free world dial-up phones. 01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:03.900 So, 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:04.960 it's kind of, 01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:06.180 kind of like a ghetto, 01:05:06.340 --> 01:05:07.680 cell phone network at this point. 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:08.640 It's pretty cool. 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:09.800 Quality? 01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:12.000 The quality's not so bad. 01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:12.960 It all depends on, 01:05:13.020 --> 01:05:14.100 on how much bandwidth you have, 01:05:14.200 --> 01:05:15.480 but it's pretty decent, 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:16.680 on a regular DSL connection. 01:05:17.220 --> 01:05:17.460 Hmm. 01:05:17.740 --> 01:05:18.180 Interesting. 01:05:19.180 --> 01:05:20.060 Very interesting. 01:05:20.060 --> 01:05:21.220 A little wireless, 01:05:21.380 --> 01:05:21.640 ghetto, 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:23.280 voice over IP. 01:05:23.660 --> 01:05:23.940 Yeah, 01:05:24.060 --> 01:05:24.980 it's fun stuff. 01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:25.640 I really like it. 01:05:26.100 --> 01:05:26.200 Hmm. 01:05:27.380 --> 01:05:27.700 Alright, 01:05:27.820 --> 01:05:27.980 well, 01:05:28.060 --> 01:05:29.260 I think that's probably a good, 01:05:29.260 --> 01:05:30.540 good ending message. 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.120 Progress is a good thing. 01:05:32.300 --> 01:05:33.120 Good things are happening, 01:05:33.240 --> 01:05:33.560 finally. 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:34.580 Wow, 01:05:34.660 --> 01:05:35.460 the show's over already, 01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:35.680 huh? 01:05:35.820 --> 01:05:36.140 Yeah, 01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:36.660 it's been, 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:37.840 I think we're actually over. 01:05:38.020 --> 01:05:39.440 I lost track of time, 01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:39.740 actually. 01:05:39.820 --> 01:05:40.360 I think we're, 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:41.320 probably right at, 01:05:42.080 --> 01:05:43.460 probably a little over an hour already. 01:05:43.460 --> 01:05:43.860 Hmm. 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:45.360 So, 01:05:45.500 --> 01:05:45.800 um, 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:47.540 I, 01:05:47.740 --> 01:05:48.120 you know what, 01:05:48.180 --> 01:05:49.360 I have one shout out. 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:50.080 So, 01:05:50.180 --> 01:05:50.560 like I said, 01:05:50.560 --> 01:05:52.320 I had my 2600 meeting earlier. 01:05:52.720 --> 01:05:54.980 My shout out is to all the hot chicks, 01:05:55.140 --> 01:05:56.540 who go hang out at the mall, 01:05:56.780 --> 01:05:58.080 to give me something to look at, 01:05:58.120 --> 01:05:59.640 while I'm at my 2600 meeting. 01:06:00.060 --> 01:06:01.180 That's my shout out. 01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:02.480 You keep doing that. 01:06:02.600 --> 01:06:03.200 Hot chicks, 01:06:03.660 --> 01:06:04.520 very good thing. 01:06:05.080 --> 01:06:05.340 Alright, 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:05.720 I got a, 01:06:05.720 --> 01:06:06.520 I got a bunch of shouts, 01:06:06.660 --> 01:06:06.700 but. 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:06.960 Alright, 01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:07.920 but go to it. 01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:08.660 Um, 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:10.020 definitely shouts to the, 01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:10.400 uh, 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:12.280 to the hostess at the diner, 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:12.880 I like, 01:06:12.980 --> 01:06:13.480 god damn, 01:06:13.580 --> 01:06:14.760 she is smoking. 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:16.160 Um, 01:06:16.300 --> 01:06:17.180 let me think. 01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:18.180 And then other than that, 01:06:18.180 --> 01:06:19.100 I got shouts to, 01:06:19.100 --> 01:06:19.420 uh, 01:06:19.460 --> 01:06:19.900 Decoder, 01:06:20.080 --> 01:06:20.700 Lucky225, 01:06:21.200 --> 01:06:21.540 Doug, 01:06:22.060 --> 01:06:22.300 uh, 01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:22.920 Roger5, 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:23.680 and Royal from, 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:23.980 uh, 01:06:24.020 --> 01:06:24.520 from the show. 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:25.800 Um, 01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:27.920 I'm hopefully going to listen to, 01:06:28.120 --> 01:06:29.140 that's episode three, 01:06:29.260 --> 01:06:30.980 that was the long two hours you said? 01:06:31.080 --> 01:06:31.240 Yeah, 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:31.580 the two hour episode. 01:06:31.580 --> 01:06:33.420 Hopefully you're going to listen to that at work tomorrow. 01:06:33.940 --> 01:06:34.160 Yeah, 01:06:34.160 --> 01:06:34.640 it's crazy. 01:06:35.060 --> 01:06:35.260 Uh, 01:06:35.260 --> 01:06:35.860 definitely worth, 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:36.400 worth listening. 01:06:36.500 --> 01:06:37.420 But those guys on the show, 01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:37.840 they definitely, 01:06:37.980 --> 01:06:38.520 they know the shit. 01:06:38.680 --> 01:06:38.840 So, 01:06:39.220 --> 01:06:39.820 check it out, 01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:40.500 uh, 01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:41.080 whenever you can. 01:06:42.300 --> 01:06:42.700 And, 01:06:42.820 --> 01:06:43.280 um, 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:44.660 shouts to Motorola, 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:45.520 and Nextel, 01:06:45.680 --> 01:06:45.920 and, 01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:46.260 uh, 01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:47.580 on making the, 01:06:47.580 --> 01:06:48.920 the whole GPS setup for me. 01:06:49.540 --> 01:06:50.580 That's about it for me. 01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:51.780 All right. 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:52.320 Well, 01:06:52.520 --> 01:06:54.040 let me remind our listeners 01:06:54.040 --> 01:06:56.880 that I changed the email address 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.040 I mentioned at the top of the show. 01:06:58.140 --> 01:06:59.460 Let me remind you to close it out. 01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:01.040 We now, 01:07:01.180 --> 01:07:02.480 any feedback about 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.020 Binary Revolution Radio, 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:05.540 do not send it to 01:07:05.540 --> 01:07:06.880 letters at binrev.com. 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:07.520 Send it to 01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:08.020 radio 01:07:08.020 --> 01:07:10.340 at binrev.com. 01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:12.420 Letters at binrev.com 01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:13.100 still works. 01:07:13.180 --> 01:07:15.160 It's going to be mostly for the magazine now. 01:07:15.160 --> 01:07:16.360 But, 01:07:16.560 --> 01:07:17.940 I will, 01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:18.260 of course, 01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:19.200 be checking them both 01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:20.260 because I know people are listening 01:07:20.260 --> 01:07:21.280 to past episodes 01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:22.880 and may send it to the old address. 01:07:23.580 --> 01:07:23.900 And, 01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.160 uh, 01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:24.980 that's it. 01:07:25.160 --> 01:07:26.720 Our closing music tonight 01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:28.380 is from Sex. 01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:29.640 That's C-E-X. 01:07:30.060 --> 01:07:30.700 And it's called 01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:31.480 My Head. 01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:32.460 Boy, 01:07:32.520 --> 01:07:33.760 that's a great combination 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.320 of title and artist name, 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:35.640 isn't it? 01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:36.200 Yeah. 01:07:36.720 --> 01:07:37.240 And, 01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.420 that is going to wrap it up. 01:07:39.560 --> 01:07:40.040 So, 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:42.040 we will see you 01:07:42.040 --> 01:07:42.920 next week. 01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:44.060 Same hack time. 01:07:44.060 --> 01:07:45.460 Same hack channel. 01:07:45.900 --> 01:07:47.060 Peace out. 01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:48.320 Later. 01:08:14.060 --> 01:08:35.440 I got in the car, turned the volume to ten 01:08:35.440 --> 01:08:38.140 I tried to scream along, the words to something big 01:08:38.140 --> 01:08:42.960 But my lungs couldn't handle it, my chest was strange and my face was red 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:47.600 But the albums make it sound so easy, put your mouth to microphone and the pressure gets released 01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.920 But it never sounds the same when you're the one who's screaming 01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:54.880 Between the world and my brain, this voice supports everything I think on its back 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.120 And its little spine is bending, I've listened all my life and you haven't told me anything 01:08:59.120 --> 01:09:04.300 Where's the embarrassment, where's the banality, I wanna hold the moments that you flush from your memory 01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:07.020 One day I'll make songs, songs will make it permanent 01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:09.860 Forming in forms, the whole world might learn from this 01:09:09.860 --> 01:09:13.560 And all the hours of paralysis imprisonment, it might be worth it 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:14.600 Might be worth it 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:17.020 My blood is spinning 01:09:17.020 --> 01:09:19.520 But very, very slowly 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.260 I hope one day my singing 01:09:22.260 --> 01:09:25.040 My container can tell me 01:09:25.040 --> 01:09:27.680 There's a temporary sanity 01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:29.680 In this other action 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.220 Can be business 01:09:31.220 --> 01:09:33.540 Satisfaction can exist 01:09:33.540 --> 01:09:35.860 I want forever success 01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:36.860 My blood is spinning 01:09:36.860 --> 01:09:37.860 My blood is spinning 01:09:37.860 --> 01:09:38.860 My blood is spinning 01:09:38.860 --> 01:09:40.860 But very, very slowly 01:09:40.860 --> 01:09:42.860 I hope one day my singing 01:09:42.860 --> 01:09:45.860 My container can tell me 01:09:45.860 --> 01:09:47.860 There's a temporary sanity 01:09:47.860 --> 01:09:50.860 In this other action 01:09:50.860 --> 01:09:51.860 Can be business 01:09:51.860 --> 01:09:53.860 Satisfaction can exist 01:09:53.860 --> 01:09:55.860 I want forever success 01:09:55.860 --> 01:09:56.860 Forbright to rock 01:09:56.860 --> 01:10:10.560 And incredibleский 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:11.240 I want forever success 01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:13.180 I want forever success 01:10:13.180 --> 01:10:14.920 I want forever success 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.020 And that to me 01:10:17.020 --> 01:10:18.960 I want festival 01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.760 And that to me 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:23.600 Ever success 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:53.580 Transcription by CastingWords