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Get ready to mark the planet, get ready, the digital dog park presents binary revolution

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radio, now launch the base.

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the nenful address.

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Good man, I'm glad I asked you,hip subs

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good man, don't you know, run away the virus.

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That's what it is.

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You ready?

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That's what it is.

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That's what it is.

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That's what it is.

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That's what it is.

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That's what it is.

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Act the planet.

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You are listening to Vinary Revolution Radio.

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Revolution will be digitized.

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Act the planet.

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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers.

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To the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary.

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I speak source code.

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Step on my toes.

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I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose.

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho.

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold.

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I was a dick with my 56.

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable.

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo.

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero.

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcasts.

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You need some ISOs?

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Let me do my hard drive rifle.

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Our exchange you could never stifle.

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And a digital hug.

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You just caught the love bug.

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I bootlegged your CD.

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I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free.

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked Al Jones?

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And NASDAQ leaves your fight on your back.

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals.

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Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 24, brought to you on this day in history.

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Tuesday, December 16th, 2003, originally aired.

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And I opened the show with wonderful, wonderful, wonderful news.

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That's right, we got him.

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We got him.

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It took us a while.

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Took us quite a while.

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But we finally got the infamous one.

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The Dual Parallel back on the show.

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Welcome, Mr. Parallel.

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Operating.

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Can I have you, information?

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Oh, there's no dogs.

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What's up, man?

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I thought you were talking about Saddam Hussein for a second.

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We got him.

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Six of one, half a dozen of the other, you know.

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Saddam Parallel.

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Yeah, can I call you Saddam?

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Please.

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Or just Mr. Parallel?

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How about Duel?

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Can we go with Duel for the show?

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It'll be easy.

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He's got him.

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Obviously, we finally got you back on the show.

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First time in a while.

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Well, because, well, what is your excuse?

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What do you mean?

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What is your excuse for not being on the show?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Because I'm not reading all those show notes.

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The show, the infamous show novels.

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Damn.

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No, actually.

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That is a lot of, yeah, you definitely, you know, you're very professional in the shows.

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Well, I don't know about all that.

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Like I said, I read a lot.

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I cut and paste a lot.

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I go, you know, during the course of the day, I see something interesting.

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I email it to myself and cut and paste it.

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I read up on it.

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So, even if I didn't do the show, I was doing all that anyway.

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I'm reading up.

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I'm keeping abreast of things.

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I just said abreast.

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I'm keeping abreast of the news.

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And, hell, I might as well use it on a show, you know?

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See, I got Bland.

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Bland carries the show.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, Bland carries, he's been carrying this show for a few episodes now.

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He's good, I'm telling you.

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I want to get this out of the plan right now.

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He is the voice of hacking media.

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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We are going to jump into some email from, actually, we can both, you got this email as well.

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I don't know if you've checked your email lately.

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But, uh, we both got an email from our good friend, Gluco, the Mad Canuck.

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He, you did or didn't see this before I go into this, because this gets me a little upset, actually.

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You know, I, dude, seriously, I get a lot of emails.

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Can I take this opportunity to ask people, you know, just, just as a common courtesy to anybody,

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not just me, not just Bland and all the email we get, but just, just for the hell of it, address who the email is to, right, like a letter,

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and then at the end, go ahead and sign it, you know, just, just for the hell of it, to everybody, not just me.

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But, yeah, we get a lot of email, and I don't actually, I, you know, I'm sure I got it, and I can't say that I've read it.

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Well, it just came here, I think, a day or two ago, and this is the one that, by the way, he does address and sign it.

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Yeah, oh, yeah, he's, he's actually really good about it.

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But, yeah, I know what you mean.

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I get somewhere, I don't recognize the, yeah, the email address may not match a name that I know.

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Never does, dude.

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Exactly, so, yeah, I know, I feel you, dog.

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I feel you.

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All right, cool.

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All right.

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This may ring a bell for you.

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Let me, let me talk about the email.

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Maybe you'll remember this.

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But, he was, basically, he took a scan of a clip from a newspaper.

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Basically, in Canada, their copyright board approved a new media levy, or tax, or tariff, or whatever you want to call it.

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A new media levy as of December 12th, which is four days ago from when this airs, I guess.

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Yep.

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And it's going to affect the price on MP3 players, audio, media consumables, blank CDs, et cetera, et cetera.

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This is their way, I guess, of, I don't know what, I hate using this term, but in the United States, sometimes you have the term sin tax, where they want to tax cigarettes, or alcohol, or something.

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I guess this is their way of doing some kind of control, or some kind of way to stop piracy.

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I'm sure, you know, that's definitely their aim of it.

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They actually put a levy against media, and anything that will stifle people from copying, et cetera.

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For example, and this is the example that he gave us, a 50-pack of 700-megabyte blank CDs used to be $29.99 Canadian, and their old price.

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That's a rip-off.

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Well, Canadian dollars, you know, it's different.

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But, yes, you know, retail, just for example, retail price, $29.99.

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The levy adds 49 cents to each disc on that spindle, on that 50 spindles, for a total of just the levy alone, $24.50.

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Damn!

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On a $30 spindle.

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Now, you add in your sales tax, you come up with a total of $62.66 Canadian, over twice the price, thanks to this levy that they put on there.

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Over doubled!

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You can get a hooker cheaper than that.

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Well, really?

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Where?

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You're Canadian!

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We have to talk about that after the show.

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Hmm, Canadian.

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Hmm.

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A Canadian hooker.

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I imagine they're cold.

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They're getting this money.

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They're just the government?

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They're just pocketing all this stuff?

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And the thing is, they're not far away.

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Does this come down to us soon?

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Is this a way of, you know, they're having problems passing laws and getting, you know, some of their demands met.

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Some, not all.

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They're doing pretty good, actually, if you ask me.

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But is this going to be their way around it?

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Is they're going to start adding levies and taxes and sin tax, again, for lack of a better word,

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or something similar to a sin tax on these specific items in the name of stifling piracy?

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Yeah, it's not going to do a damn thing.

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Okay, sure, it's going to really bump up the price of your consumables.

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But how about your MP3 player, right?

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That's a one-time charge.

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So what, I don't know what it is.

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There's no percentage or anything.

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You just give an example of the disc.

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I don't know if that came from the article or not.

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But so, so your MP3 player, right?

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Because some people don't even use physical media ever, right?

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It's on their computer, straight to their MP3 player, go to your car.

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Or, you know, you're never making a CD.

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So what the hell?

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That's not going to stop anything.

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Right.

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Well, it depends.

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Again, you're right.

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The only information I got was from him on this.

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Unfortunately, well, I don't have information from Canada.

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I don't know any more details on it other than what he's passed on.

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Maybe he can follow up with us.

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But, yeah, what would the, I mean, is it going to double the price of the MP3 player as well?

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Because that would really suck.

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Yeah, that would suck.

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You know?

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Still, just a one-time cost.

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You know, man, I've made a car MP3 before.

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Or I took a freaking, a little old, a little old tower, like a digital 9th, I don't know what it was.

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And I just, dude, I stuck in my car.

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There's pics on oldskoolphreak.com.

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And I was playing MP3s on that.

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People do that.

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People have done it.

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Now continue to do it.

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Go ahead.

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Levy away.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't levy away.

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No, no, no, no, that's not, all right, that's not what I'm saying.

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No, it's not going to achieve their goal.

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If their goal is to stop piracy, if their goal is to stop people from, you know, infringing upon copyright, it's not going to work.

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It's not going to work.

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They're going to have a shitload more money because people are going to pay it.

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Well, will they?

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Or will can, I'm sure there's going to be places you can order it on the web, order it online.

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Hell, Gluko, I'll hook you up.

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You know, come on.

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I mean, there's going to be ways they're going to get around it.

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I mean, they're not going to catch a lot.

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They might catch some people, I guess, and get a little money off of them, but.

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Dude, I'm going to put, like, blank CDRs in my freaking, in my seats and, like, a fake compartment under my rig.

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And then I'll just go across the border and we can sell them.

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Instead, nobody will be smuggling drugs anymore.

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They'll be smuggling blank CDRs.

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In Mexico, it's going to be CDRs to freaking Canada.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Or they're going to, like, what is it how the drug dealers, they go out and put it in the ocean and send it out there

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and then people come across the thing on the boat and pick it up out of the ocean to avoid customs and stuff?

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Yep.

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It'll be the same thing.

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I'll freaking rent a Cessna, fly that shit over into B.C., and start freaking dealing in CDRWs.

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In the back alleyway somewhere.

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Yo, man, I got the hookup.

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The first one's free.

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First one's free.

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Come back for the rest.

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First one's free.

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Got to get them hooked, man.

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Yeah, it's stupid.

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No.

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Poor Canadian.

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And you know what?

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And you, I know you're kind of joking and you're kind of, you're saying bring it on, it's not going to stop,

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but the principle here, this principle, hell no, don't bring it on.

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I don't, you know, that doesn't, I know you're not justifying it, but, you know, there's no reason for it.

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It doesn't make it right.

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I would fight from this happening.

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I wouldn't ignore it and say, yeah, thanks for the levy, now I'm going to keep copying.

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I'd still fight and say, no, take your levy and shove it right up your Canadian ass.

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I mean, the copyright award approved a new media levy.

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But, so, you know, nothing went to a vote, right?

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I mean, they just say, oh, we raise prices.

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Bye-bye.

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You know, I don't know.

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I think this was in process.

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There was some process to get it.

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It wasn't they just snapped their fingers one day.

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I think the article that he mentioned this a while back was like a couple months ago.

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So, I don't know how long the process took, but, yeah, this was something that they didn't just do overnight.

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So, I don't know if they have lobbyists and if they drag their feet making laws like we do here in the States.

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Right.

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But, hey.

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Well, this is something I'm interested in.

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I might actually read up on this.

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This sounds very interesting because, yeah, it very well may come down here.

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Yeah, interesting.

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If by interesting you mean disgusting.

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Sure.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, exactly.

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You know, digital rights does tickle my fancy.

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Hmm.

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You know, can I mention something I saw on TV?

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It was a Gateway commercial.

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You know, Gateway is, you know, big into the consumer electronics now.

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They've got the plasma screen TV.

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I guess it's too late for me to say no since you already jumped right into it.

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Exactly.

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So, I will continue.

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Right.

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And, I don't think they mentioned something, you know, and I was probably, you know, half awake watching this thing.

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And they must have said something about music or digital music.

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Because right below, in small text, but in the middle of the screen, right below, like, the monitor that they were shooting,

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it said, please respect musicians' copyrights or something like that.

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Right on the screen, right there.

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I think they've, what I'm thinking is that they mentioned digital music and then, please respect musicians' copyrights or something like that.

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You know, and it's, what the hell?

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But, see, the irony there is that the musicians have the copyrights, but it's the industry that's making the money, not the musicians.

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Anyway, what the hell?

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I know, if the musicians copyrights...

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I mean, it's not to make a lot of money from their art.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's, you know what, that's a hole with no bottom and we've beaten that horse to death.

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Yeah, but I just thought it was amusing, you know, during the big Christmas push, that they stuck that in the middle of their commercial, in the middle of the screen.

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You said it was Gateway?

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Yeah, just a Gateway commercial.

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And they have Gateway commercials on the porn channel?

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Uh, yes, yes, they do.

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Yes, they do.

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They're porn faster on their new PCs.

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Ooh, sweet.

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That's what I'm watching.

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Uh, okay, we also had, let's move on here in the housekeeping.

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I had, see, I don't know if I should bring this up because I'm not going to put a name to it.

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I had someone send me a video submission for Act TV.

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Very, very cool footage.

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A little long, it's going to take some editing.

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Um, and frankly, I, I don't even want to say what it's about because I'm going to leave some surprise for Act TV.

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Even, even Saddam Parallel doesn't know all of what's going in.

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He knows some, but he doesn't know all of what's going into Act TV, so.

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What is this video?

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I am President of Iraq.

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You look a lot like Santa Claus, too, by the way.

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I felt, I felt sorry for the man.

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Yeah, well, you know, I don't.

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But, anyway, that's a whole other topic.

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Like, um, that's actually, we have, that's a good, that's a good segue.

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We don't want to talk about that.

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Yeah, I don't, you know, we want to talk about technology and hacking and technology and more hacking and freaking and digital.

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You know what, I'm not going to, I don't know shit anyway, so I'm not going to talk about it either.

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Well, and that, and you know, and we're going to, we're going to actually touch on a general topic later on.

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We'll kind of discuss it because you and I talk about it a lot.

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I thought it'd make a good discussion on the air.

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But let me, okay, let me, let me go back through here and we'll catch up to that because that, speaking of Hack TV, that's a good segue into what I've been working on.

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I mentioned it in the forums and I got some more footage myself done.

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Amateur porn.

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And, oh, that can't, that's not part of Hack TV.

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That's a whole different project.

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Thanks for spilling the beans on that one.

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No, I did, I did film some more footage myself this past weekend and Saito and I are going to be filming some more this week.

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We are already scheduled.

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We're already got it set aside time.

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He's already approved it with the woman, with the little lady.

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And that's coming along well.

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And actually he, today, today he gave me some of his first draft work on what we already have done.

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So there is definite progress and it looks great.

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I mean, it's very well put together.

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The editing is good.

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Transitions.

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It looks like professional television.

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Yeah, what?

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We're not going to have any 17 minutes and 50 seconds shows or five minutes and whatever, you know.

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It's not going to be, this is going to be a full length, regular show, opening, intro, closing credits, the whole nine yards.

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It's going to be very, very well done.

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And, you know, that might be something to take.

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Maybe we ought to discuss, we probably should have talked about this off the air, not while we're recording.

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But maybe we ought to think about taking that to H2K4.

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Because it's going to be.

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Sure, they'll show that kind of stuff.

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Yeah, I think they have, don't they have a video room or something?

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I don't know if they have to schedule it or how that works.

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But we may have to look into that.

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Usually they're movies, I believe.

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We may have to check into that and see what that's all about.

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Maybe they'd entertain, because it's going to be, it looks like it's going to be an hour.

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We're looking towards an hour now for the first episode, a full one hour.

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Nice.

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So, and speaking of H2K4, see I'm flowing with the segues, baby.

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You are.

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Segway!

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Segway.

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Shout out to mute.

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I think I came up with a presentation idea for H2K4, if they'll have me.

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And I'm going to actually bounce this off of you.

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I'm going to have you proof it again, if you ever proof the other stuff I sent you.

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I might run this idea by you and see what you think.

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I actually, I'll put the presentation together and run it by you and see what you think about it.

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So you're bringing up all this awesome stuff, and you're not going to tell us what any of it is.

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Well, you know, I don't want to give it all away.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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I just want people to know that it is coming, so that somebody may be on the fence about whether they're going to make it to H2K4,

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and they're going to make it to the next Pope Conference.

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How's it going to be, dude?

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Well, some people may think, oh, well, I won't know anybody there, and, you know,

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if the guys from BinRev were doing something, or if the guys from Radio Freak America, Old School Freak,

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if I knew someone was going to be there presenting or doing whatever, you know, they might be more likely to go.

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Whereas opposed to, oh, I won't know anybody, I don't know if I want to go see a bunch of strange people, you know, that I don't know, or, you know, I don't know.

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I'm just throwing it out.

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Exactly why I want to go see a bunch of strange people.

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Well.

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Look at myself.

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Yeah, exactly.

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They don't get any much stranger than me.

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And not only H2K4 Conference, but I have also been emailing back and forth with the organizers of Interzone,

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which I've mentioned on the show once or twice before.

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Actually sent some detailed information now, and we are very close to finalizing plans of broadcasting, streaming live the whole weekend from Interzone.

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Voodoo Hal and I are, it looks like we're going to be the only ones to make it, unless you guys, somebody else is able to free up at the last minute or something.

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But we are talking tentative plans.

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We've already talked to Rant Radio, who's open to the idea of using the whole weekend.

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So we're actually hammering out details.

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Because I have touched with Rant Radio, I have talked to Rocket from Interzone, I have, you know, we've already worked it out.

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We're just working on the logistics now of, okay, how are we going to get the microphone and, you know, have the presentations live.

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And are we going to be able to do that, or are we going to be able to broadcast from out in the hallway and, you know, summarize.

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We're working out the logistics of stuff like that.

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So, there's some details for you.

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That's, thank you.

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Is that better?

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That's very exciting.

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All right.

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Now, as far as you and what you've been working on, you said you've been playing with Fluxbox in between diddling yourself to the Asian porn.

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I love Asian porn, dude.

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Well, who doesn't love Asian porn?

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Sure.

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Mature Asians.

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Yeah.

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Hell yeah.

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Uh, yeah, dude, it's, basically it's all bland, man.

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Because, you know, I start messing with Fluxbox and then he just, he just goes all out, dude, and just learns everything.

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So, he actually made an RFA theme.

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I saw that.

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Yeah, dude, it's awesome.

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I just, seriously, I love it.

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I love it.

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It's a joy to compute now.

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And also, just been messing around with Pearl learning as best I can and having a blast doing that.

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It's so much fun.

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I like the challenge.

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I like the constant challenge.

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You know, I'm going to ask you now because I don't care.

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I asked you this before the show.

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Would it be, would the,

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how do I say it,

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would the allure go away if you,

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you know,

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you being, you know,

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hypothetically anybody,

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if one person,

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if,

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if they did this full time,

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if they,

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you know,

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hacked full time,

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you know,

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Mesopero, Fluxbox, Linux,

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I don't know.

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Would it, would it go away?

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Oh, no.

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I would think not.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Absolutely.

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I wish I could do that full time.

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Me too.

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But that, well, you know,

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that's why,

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you know,

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I've always been,

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well,

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weird in more ways than one,

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but particularly,

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it's on the computer end.

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I've always,

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I've never been one of those people

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that had a doubt of what I wanted to do

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with my life.

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Ever since I was young,

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playing on the old Apples,

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playing on the old,

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Commodore 64,

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VIC-20s,

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the TRS Trash 80s.

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I mean,

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started on computers when I was young

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and I never looked back,

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never had any questions.

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The first time,

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I put the phone coupler

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into a 300 baud modem

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and hit outside world,

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even though we didn't have the internet,

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as you know,

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you had BVSs out there.

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I've always known

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that that was my calling

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and I've always been into programming

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and people don't get it.

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And Voodoo Hal and I

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had a whole show about this one time

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about,

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well,

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we can talk more about

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what it's like as a job now,

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but what drives you to it

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is just,

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the bottom line is

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it's every single day

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you sit in there,

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people think,

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oh my gosh,

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that's so boring

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and that's so monotonous

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and you look at the same,

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it is if you don't have that mindset.

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And that's why I say

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that people who are hackers,

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hackers have programming skills.

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Even the ones that think they don't,

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they have that inquisitive mind,

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they have that

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overcoming boundaries

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and limitations

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thought process,

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they have that

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getting through the wall,

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you know,

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finding a way through the wall,

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around the wall,

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working,

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problem solving,

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that kind of stuff,

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which are also identically,

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ironically,

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skills that people look for

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in management,

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but I won't even say that

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because,

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you know,

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hacker,

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management,

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you don't use those words together.

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Right.

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It's a constant challenge.

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Yeah,

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and it's not the same code every day,

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it's not the same thing,

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it's,

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it's...

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And I'm learning something new

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every day,

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even if it's small,

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I'm learning something all the time

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and I love it,

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you know,

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I'm not being mentally challenged

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in my job,

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come on,

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how many,

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how many people out there are?

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Seriously.

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Well,

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yeah,

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it's...

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If you are,

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you're lucky,

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you're lucky that it's a challenge

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and that it's exciting in that way.

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Yeah,

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and I kind of...

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Sorry to bring this up,

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but...

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This is...

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Hey,

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this is your show,

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man.

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You are on the special guest,

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you are the co-host with the most

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back on the show.

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Whatever you want to talk about,

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we talk about.

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Forget the time that I spent writing

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these show notes,

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I've been slaving over them,

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then you want to drive off

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into something else.

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I'm serious,

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dude,

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our shows are friggin'...

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I know.

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They are the antithesis of each other,

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dude.

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I don't care,

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they're still funny.

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No,

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they're not the antithesis.

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Are you kidding?

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We're complimentary.

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Well,

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no,

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what I'm saying,

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you're like,

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you've got show notes,

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you're like,

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really professional,

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me and Blandu,

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just...

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Hey,

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that doesn't,

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you know...

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Good luck.

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We don't,

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like right now,

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we're so far off the show notes.

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You know what?

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It's whose fault is it?

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No,

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but we,

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the thing is,

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we don't,

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just because I have them,

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doesn't mean we have to go by them.

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If we have something else,

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some interesting conversation

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like we have now,

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we go with it,

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man,

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we'll go with it.

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Gotcha,

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gotcha.

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But now we're going to stop

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and go back on the show notes.

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Yeah,

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let's do that.

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No,

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actually not.

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You're looking at code every day

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and people have to realize,

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and if you don't,

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because I know some people out there

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who are still in school

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and don't know,

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if you are intrigued by programming,

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if you're one of those people

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that you write the program

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that you have to for school,

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you get it done,

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and then you turn it in

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and you're like,

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thank gosh,

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that's over with.

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If that's the way you're thinking,

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then yeah,

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your programming might not be for you.

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But if you're one of those people

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that turns it in

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and then goes back home that night

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to make it even nicer

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and clean it up

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a little bit more

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and make it more efficient,

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you know,

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it's an art form

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and I love

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tweaking the same code

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I've been doing,

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A,

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B.

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That's exactly what I've been doing.

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I've been taking my horribly new pearl

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and making it just new pearl

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and actually,

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you know,

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one I haven't pipped

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was like a spammer DB.

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I like,

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I read the data,

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I read it,

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ghetto tooth,

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you know,

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you can actually go

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and get that email database,

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by the way,

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the latest one is up.

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You know,

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something funny,

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I put more,

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somebody posted on your boards,

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more of the coverage areas

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for Roadrunner,

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so I've got more coverage areas

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and I ran it again

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and the database is smaller.

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Before it was 5.4 megs

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and now it's only 5 megs

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so it's kind of weird.

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I guess they must have

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lost a lot of customers

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or cleaned up their homepages

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or something.

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So yeah,

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that's exactly what I've been doing.

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I've been going through

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all my old code

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and just improving it,

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hopefully improving it.

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Yeah.

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It's been a blast.

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I just love it.

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There's no such thing

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as a complete program,

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as a finished program

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in my eyes.

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It's a constant evolving entity.

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And in the world of a programmer,

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in your job,

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they're very much in the mindset

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of write the program,

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get it in production,

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and then wash your hands of it.

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You want to put it in production

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so that you have no interaction

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with it anymore,

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so that it's done,

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it's out of your hair,

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you can work on other things.

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And to an extent,

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that is absolutely true.

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You don't want to have to babysit

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and manually run programs every day.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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You want to write your program

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smart enough

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and efficient enough

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and intelligent enough

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that they can somewhat run themselves.

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But,

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as technology changes

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and platforms change,

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like,

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I'll make up an example

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because I don't do Windows programming.

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I'm not into that.

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But let's say you were to write a program

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that works in Windows 98.

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I don't know.

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Windows XP comes out.

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Windows 2000 comes out.

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Whatever.

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Your code will probably still work.

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It's backwards compatible.

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But that new platform

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has so many new features,

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and I'm using a common Windows

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just because people can relate to it.

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It'll still work.

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It's still backwards compatible,

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but it won't be as efficient

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because you're not using

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the new function calls.

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You're not using

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the new libraries

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that have been made available.

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You're not using

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the latest additions

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to the compiler,

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et cetera,

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to make it really,

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truly work cleanly

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and hand-in-hand

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with the new operating system.

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So there's always that

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extra stuff

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that you can do

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to your program.

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And especially,

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like,

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my programs are my babies.

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I don't forget them.

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I remember them.

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Three years down the road,

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I'll read something

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and I'm like,

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oh,

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kick-ass 64-bit processing.

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I can go back

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to that program

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because I remember

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it used to be 33K

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and I couldn't get it

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to work in one pass.

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I had to write two.

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Now I can update it

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and it's going to get hit

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in one pass

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because I have this much more

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processing power

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at my hands disposal.

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Right.

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You know,

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I just always have that.

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Years back

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and it's just,

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I don't know,

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that's just,

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you can be a programmer

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without that,

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but the most elite programmers

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I've ever met in my life

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have that.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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and I think

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there's a lot of correspondence

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between hackers.

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They feel and think

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the same way.

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You just got done saying

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you updated your roadrunner.

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You know,

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I know Not Theory

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has been making changes

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and additions

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to his lookup script

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that we all love

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that rocks.

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Even DDP Freak Toys,

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which,

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gosh,

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I wish more people

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were taking advantage

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and check that out.

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I'm going to really,

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I'm going to put that link

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back up and pimp it again

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because it rocks.

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I use it on my cell phone

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every day

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and,

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man,

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and that gets updated.

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You know,

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it's like you never

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just,

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oh yeah,

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here,

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it's done.

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Go away.

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Bzz,

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bzz,

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bzz.

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You know,

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it's not like that.

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Yeah,

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well,

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I totally agree

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and I hope I'm on the right track

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and I want to take advantage

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right now,

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take advantage of being on your show

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and ask anybody,

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hey man,

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if anybody has any comments

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or help for my code,

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hey,

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you can do it better,

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you can do this,

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use trick,

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whatever,

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send them to me,

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man,

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believe me.

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I would love it

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and I want to learn.

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I definitely want to learn.

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I probably like the forum so much.

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Always,

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always learning.

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Hell yeah.

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Now,

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I'm going to make that

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into a segue.

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Watch this.

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Okay.

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Speaking of learning,

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there's been a lot of discussion

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lately

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on the mass media

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and I'm going to ask you

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a question,

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Mr. Parallel.

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Alright.

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Can we actually learn

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from the media?

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Absolutely.

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Is the media

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just completely evil?

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Is it absolutely despicable

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that they're biased

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and they make up,

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they don't present

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the true facts,

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they give you a slanted view?

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I mean,

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is there anything useful?

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Is there any news

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in the news anymore?

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Okay.

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Can I answer more

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than just a yes,

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no right now?

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Oh,

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absolutely.

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Okay.

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I was setting you up

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for a good 20-minute rant there.

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Oh,

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well,

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here we go.

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The answer is

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yes,

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but be selective.

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I've got a great example.

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Thank you.

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Go.

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Oh,

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that was good?

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Yes,

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that's exactly what I was doing.

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Oh,

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good.

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Awesome.

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Go for it.

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And I didn't really show them.

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The Walmart,

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the lady who was

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quote,

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trampled at Walmart,

31:27.940 --> 31:28.200
right?

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Right.

31:29.000 --> 31:29.280
You know,

31:29.400 --> 31:31.340
that's a great example.

31:31.800 --> 31:31.940
You know,

31:32.000 --> 31:32.500
you have to,

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first of all,

31:33.400 --> 31:35.700
you can't stop learning,

31:35.800 --> 31:36.060
right,

31:36.200 --> 31:37.100
to go back to the segue.

31:37.560 --> 31:38.020
You have to,

31:38.020 --> 31:38.540
you have to,

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if there's something

31:39.620 --> 31:40.460
that interests you

31:40.460 --> 31:41.280
and that impacts you,

31:41.300 --> 31:41.780
then you must,

31:42.000 --> 31:43.120
you must study,

31:43.220 --> 31:43.360
right?

31:43.400 --> 31:44.120
You must research.

31:45.600 --> 31:46.040
Again,

31:46.140 --> 31:46.720
be selective.

31:48.160 --> 31:49.320
Use definitely

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more than one viewpoint,

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more than one media source.

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And,

31:54.860 --> 31:55.760
you know,

31:56.180 --> 31:57.340
be a little more choosy

31:57.340 --> 31:58.480
about what media source

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you consume

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and you are consuming.

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Personally,

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every morning,

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I wake up,

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right,

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do my crunches

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and I listen to,

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I listen to NPR.

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I love NPR

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and I think,

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I think I get good news

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from them.

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I say avoid TV

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as much as possible

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but,

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you know,

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that's just me.

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I'm sure you can get

32:18.180 --> 32:18.980
some good stuff from TV,

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especially PBS.

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Those are a few things

32:22.200 --> 32:23.120
I think you can do

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and,

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and,

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and,

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and get some usefulness

32:26.420 --> 32:27.040
out of the media.

32:27.160 --> 32:27.440
By the way,

32:27.500 --> 32:28.460
we are the media,

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by the way.

32:29.220 --> 32:29.420
Oh,

32:29.460 --> 32:30.500
we are definitely

32:30.500 --> 32:31.000
the media.

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Yeah,

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but everybody

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who sends an email

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into this,

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to a show,

32:34.600 --> 32:34.800
right,

32:34.880 --> 32:35.860
you're part of the media too

32:35.860 --> 32:36.420
because you're,

32:36.480 --> 32:36.760
you're,

32:36.820 --> 32:37.080
you know,

32:37.220 --> 32:37.960
you're creating,

32:38.160 --> 32:38.340
you're,

32:38.380 --> 32:39.320
you're contributing,

32:39.500 --> 32:39.620
so.

32:39.780 --> 32:40.140
And,

32:40.320 --> 32:40.680
frankly,

32:40.820 --> 32:41.620
I'm not afraid

32:41.620 --> 32:42.480
or ashamed

32:42.480 --> 32:43.480
or embarrassed

32:43.480 --> 32:43.980
to come out

32:43.980 --> 32:44.480
and say,

32:45.440 --> 32:46.400
this actually

32:46.400 --> 32:47.120
sounds kind of funny,

32:47.480 --> 32:48.460
don't believe us either.

32:49.400 --> 32:50.540
We give you some knowledge

32:50.540 --> 32:51.380
and we give you

32:51.380 --> 32:52.140
some viewpoints

32:52.140 --> 32:53.800
and we try to counteract

32:53.800 --> 32:56.400
but we're not infallible.

32:57.040 --> 32:58.060
We report things

32:58.060 --> 32:59.000
that may not be

32:59.000 --> 33:00.340
completely,

33:00.340 --> 33:00.820
we may,

33:00.960 --> 33:01.360
you know,

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let's admit,

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we may have some slants

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the opposite.

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You know,

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we're looking from

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a hacker perspective.

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I'm willing to admit

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that perhaps I'm missing out

33:09.380 --> 33:10.520
on someone else's,

33:11.060 --> 33:11.880
I may not necessarily

33:11.880 --> 33:12.600
agree with it,

33:13.260 --> 33:14.100
but that doesn't necessarily

33:14.100 --> 33:16.320
mean that I'm always right,

33:17.120 --> 33:17.760
but I am,

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but,

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you know,

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that's neither here nor there.

33:20.060 --> 33:20.300
But,

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you know,

33:21.000 --> 33:21.160
well,

33:21.200 --> 33:21.720
like for example,

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I agree,

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TV is the worst.

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It is the most biased.

33:25.120 --> 33:26.360
I absolutely agree with that.

33:26.660 --> 33:27.960
Even if you think

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that somehow CNN

33:29.840 --> 33:31.380
or Fox News

33:31.380 --> 33:32.460
or MSNBC,

33:32.800 --> 33:34.360
you think that a news channel

33:34.360 --> 33:35.080
is more credible

33:35.080 --> 33:35.820
than say,

33:36.340 --> 33:36.700
you know,

33:36.960 --> 33:37.520
the channel,

33:37.680 --> 33:37.980
whatever,

33:38.140 --> 33:39.000
Channel 7 News

33:39.000 --> 33:40.300
or your local whatever.

33:41.000 --> 33:41.880
They're all

33:41.880 --> 33:42.860
just as bad.

33:42.960 --> 33:43.880
They're all just as biased.

33:44.000 --> 33:44.480
They all

33:44.480 --> 33:46.040
rush to get a story.

33:46.300 --> 33:47.400
They all practice

33:47.400 --> 33:48.480
sensationalism

33:48.480 --> 33:49.960
that's just

33:49.960 --> 33:51.240
mind-numbing.

33:51.820 --> 33:52.200
However,

33:52.460 --> 33:53.300
I still think that

33:53.300 --> 33:54.160
even in that,

33:54.660 --> 33:55.540
because let's be honest,

33:55.620 --> 33:56.400
that's where the majority

33:56.400 --> 33:57.280
of people are getting

33:57.280 --> 33:57.800
their news,

33:57.960 --> 33:58.780
they're getting their media,

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they're watching television.

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Few people

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listen to the radio.

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Few people

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read newspapers anymore.

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You get it on the internet,

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which is a great

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source of media.

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But,

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the same on the internet

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and the same,

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the point I'm making

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for television is,

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don't key in

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on any one thing.

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Don't key in

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on any two things.

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There's nothing wrong

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with watching the news

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on television,

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of course,

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you may disagree

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with me here.

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As long as you put it

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all together

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and you listen,

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okay,

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CNN says this,

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but this channel

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says that,

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MSNBC says that,

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Channel 7 says this,

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but put it all together

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and see what the

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total message

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from all of them is

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and then combine that

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with your own research

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on the internet

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and your own intelligence

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and decision-making

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abilities

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and come up

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with your own answer.

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These are just

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sources

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to help you come up

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to your own answer.

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These are not answers

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to being spoon-fed

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to you

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and unfortunately,

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the majority of

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Americans,

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anyway,

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sit at home

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and they're like,

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yeah,

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right on,

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hackers suck,

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you know,

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hackers are the bad guys.

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Right.

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Which,

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by the way,

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I'm going to send you

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an attachment

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that we're going to

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talk about

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on the next show

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we do

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that's going to

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blow your mind.

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No way.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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they spread these things.

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You have to,

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the word consumer

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that you hate so much.

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You have no choice.

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You have to be a consumer.

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You have to consume media.

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I don't hate the word,

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I just hate what it means

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in this country.

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But you have to be

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an intelligent consumer.

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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That's the key.

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So,

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consume the media

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in whatever forms it is

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and come up with

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your own decisions

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and your own solutions

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and,

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you know,

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I think there is

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good information

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on television.

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I'll tell you what,

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can I

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give some suggestions?

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I mean,

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we talk about it,

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we urge people

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to,

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you know,

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hey,

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make sure you,

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you know,

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take a grain of salt

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with all the media

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you consume,

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with all the news

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you would take.

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Absolutely.

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We said that about RFA,

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the last show,

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I believe.

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Can I give

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some actual suggestions

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of where you can find

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some good news sources?

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Absolutely.

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I think,

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you know,

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things that people

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can really use,

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I think one,

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let's start with the internet,

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IndieMedia.org,

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right?

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Take your city

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or your state,

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stick it in front of

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.indiemedia

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and then hit go,

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right?

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Arizona.indiemedia.org.

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Read those sites.

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I think you need to fill,

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you need to fill your time

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more with good sources

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from the internet

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and radio

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and not as much TV.

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More reading

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is better as well.

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Radio,

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NPR,

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public radio.

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Absolutely.

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One of the best places

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to get the news.

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And also BBC.

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And who?

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BBC,

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the British Broadcasting.

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I was just going to say,

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actually there was,

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in Phoenix at least,

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there used to be

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a half hour news show

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every night

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from the BBC.

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If you've got satellite,

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maybe you can get

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the BBC news,

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right?

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When I travel,

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I'd get the BBC World News

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and watch that.

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So the radio

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is definitely

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a good place to go.

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And now on the TV,

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I think you already

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brought it up,

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BBC is a good place.

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It's a good one.

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Your public access channels,

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right?

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It's not always

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the guy wearing a loincloth

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and reading from the Bible,

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right?

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The crazy guy

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that gets his time.

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Sometimes,

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I've run into

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public access stations

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that would play news,

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subtitled news,

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from France,

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Germany,

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lots of places like that.

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And you definitely

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need a global perspective.

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You'll definitely

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get a different perspective

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if there's the same issue

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that's being covered

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by domestic news sources.

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So those are just

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a few good places

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that you need

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to look into

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to get better information

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and better media

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to consume.

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Absolutely.

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You need to follow those.

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Absolutely.

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You've got to combine,

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you've got to see

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both sides of the issues

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and, again,

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make your own decision.

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Yeah.

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That's the bottom line.

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Oh, my gosh,

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I can't believe

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I forgot her name.

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My public access channel

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here,

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in the morning,

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you know,

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the cable public access channel,

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they play,

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she does Democracy Now.

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I can't believe

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her name just totally

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left my mind.

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Downtown Julie Brown?

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What?

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No.

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Amy Goodman.

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God,

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I couldn't think of it.

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Democracy Now,

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and I think

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her website

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is democracynow.org,

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and that's a great show

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I watch on TV.

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Right?

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So,

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if you look around

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at other places,

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right,

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turn off that broadcast crap

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and you can find

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some good stuff.

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Very,

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very true.

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Yep.

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Now, see,

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I knew,

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I knew

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that would be

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a good topic for you.

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I knew that you'd be

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animated and you'd be

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just all into that one.

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Yeah,

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and I hope,

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and I thank you

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for getting the opportunity

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to give people examples,

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right,

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to give you actually

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places that you can go.

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We're not just going

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to talk about,

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yeah,

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the broadcast TV sucks

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and indie media's good,

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all right.

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No,

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we're giving you examples

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right here.

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Go to democracynow.org.

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Look for the TV show

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broadcast,

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on your public access stations.

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Listen to NPR radio.

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Contribute to public radio

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if you can.

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That is the best shit ever.

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And if you haven't listened

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to Click and Clack

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on the weekends,

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you are missing out

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on some funny shit,

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dude.

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I'm telling you.

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Oh,

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the swearing,

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oh,

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I'm sorry.

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I came to the same conclusion

39:26.920 --> 39:27.860
you did about that.

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I put it at the top

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of my notes

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that says,

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try your best

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to control it.

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That's the one thing I saw.

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And it's not a real,

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it's just,

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you were yelling at me.

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I'm just trying my best

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to do it because,

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you know,

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listeners have mentioned it

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and I take that to heart.

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When somebody mentions it

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and they're sincere.

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But you know what?

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Sometimes,

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it's going to happen.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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that's one of the,

39:47.040 --> 39:47.400
you know,

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I told you my t-shirt slogan.

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I told you my t-shirt slogan.

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That's ironic, too.

39:52.820 --> 39:53.080
Yeah.

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And we're,

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maybe we can have those

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released for H2K4 also.

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So,

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anyway,

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let's,

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We're just a huge media outlet,

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dude.

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You know,

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and I'm,

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I'm sorry,

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I want to go back

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and clarify that

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my point in that as well.

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Independent media,

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very good.

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But,

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I still say,

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and I guess maybe

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you disagree with me a bit,

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I still say,

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listen to the independent media,

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the independent version

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of the,

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I don't know,

40:18.880 --> 40:20.100
Michael Jackson pedophile story.

40:20.560 --> 40:22.120
And then listen to the

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Fox News version

40:23.380 --> 40:24.220
of the public

40:24.220 --> 40:25.620
Michael Jackson pedophile story.

40:25.620 --> 40:26.200
Oh, I agree.

40:26.200 --> 40:27.740
Put the two of them together.

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But that's the thing,

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people,

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people go much too much

40:30.960 --> 40:31.940
to the bad way,

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right,

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to the dark side.

40:32.900 --> 40:33.060
Right.

40:33.060 --> 40:34.140
They need to add more

40:34.140 --> 40:35.080
of these other suggestions

40:35.080 --> 40:35.860
that we gave them

40:35.860 --> 40:37.560
into their daily intake.

40:37.780 --> 40:37.800
So,

40:38.100 --> 40:39.700
I want them to see both of them

40:39.700 --> 40:40.820
for two reasons,

40:40.880 --> 40:42.320
because they get two different viewpoints,

40:42.380 --> 40:43.180
which is always good,

40:43.280 --> 40:43.800
and B,

40:44.140 --> 40:45.720
I think people's eyes

40:45.720 --> 40:46.380
will be opened

40:46.380 --> 40:48.220
at exactly how biased

40:48.220 --> 40:49.320
and messed up

40:49.320 --> 40:51.080
one is over the other.

40:51.200 --> 40:52.080
And we'll let them decide

40:52.080 --> 40:52.740
that on their own.

40:54.360 --> 40:54.760
Okay,

40:54.840 --> 40:55.940
let's go to some actual

40:55.940 --> 40:57.060
hacking news,

40:57.180 --> 40:57.400
or some,

40:57.560 --> 40:57.900
actually,

40:58.040 --> 40:58.620
I've got some other

40:58.620 --> 40:59.540
good stuff in here.

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This is kind of a,

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we stay away from

41:02.340 --> 41:03.400
general politics

41:03.400 --> 41:04.140
on the show,

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but politics relating

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to privacy,

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private freedom,

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technology,

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stuff like that

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we talk about.

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And I've got a few

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topics along that line.

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Actually,

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I'm going to start

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with more of a,

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I guess this is

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a privacy story,

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but it's really more,

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well,

41:21.420 --> 41:21.940
let me just,

41:21.980 --> 41:22.480
let me just go

41:22.480 --> 41:23.020
into the story.

41:23.300 --> 41:24.500
I had a friend

41:24.500 --> 41:27.440
who discovered

41:27.440 --> 41:28.320
an interesting bit

41:28.320 --> 41:28.880
of information

41:28.880 --> 41:30.060
at the university

41:30.060 --> 41:30.940
that they attend.

41:32.220 --> 41:33.440
They found out

41:33.440 --> 41:35.700
that they actually

41:35.700 --> 41:36.440
have an account

41:36.440 --> 41:37.880
at a particular bank

41:37.880 --> 41:38.860
which shall remain

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nameless.

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Don't email me

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and ask me.

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They have an account

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at this bank

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and they called

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the bank 800 number.

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They didn't have,

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I think,

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their account number.

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So they called

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and were trying

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to get,

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I think,

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deposit or get

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some information

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on the balance

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of their account

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or something like that.

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And they couldn't

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help but notice

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that the operator

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on the other end

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is three questions

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that they ask you

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on the phone

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to identify yourself.

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Now,

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I know you've had,

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I can't,

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I of course couldn't

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name these particular

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episodes offhand,

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but on RFA,

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you've called numbers

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before and found,

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hey,

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what do you need here?

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What information

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do you need?

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You realize how

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they ask sometimes

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just the most

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asinine questions

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to verify

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who you are.

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They give it to you.

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Yeah,

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and you know,

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sometimes they do

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just out and out

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give it to you

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because it's easier.

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Well,

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this is a bank,

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you would think

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they would take

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security seriously,

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you know.

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Well,

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they had three questions

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that they asked.

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First of all,

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they asked for the

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account number.

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Now,

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the account number

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is at the bottom

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of any check,

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deposit slip,

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sometimes off the ATM slip,

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you know,

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you could shoulder surf it.

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There's very easy.

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That's the most difficult

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thing to get,

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but even that's very easy.

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You give them

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your account number

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over the phone,

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they ask you your name,

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well,

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duh,

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you can give,

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you know,

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you can find out

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a person's name

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super simply,

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it's on the check.

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I mean,

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there's a million ways

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that your name

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is so easy to get.

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And then,

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what they think

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is their ace in the hole,

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what they think

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is their real security key,

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is they want

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the last four digits

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of your social security number.

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Now,

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we've,

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in many occasions,

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talked about

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it is

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possible to get

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someone's social security number.

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I won't go so far

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as to say easy,

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but it is kind of easy.

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If you really wanted it

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bad enough,

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you definitely could find it.

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Well,

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in this particular case,

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at this particular university,

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you don't even have

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to go find it.

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It's given to you.

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It just so happens

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that the naming convention,

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the naming standards,

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for the assigned

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email address

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of every student,

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every student gets

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assigned an email address,

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the default email address

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of every student

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is the last,

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the first four digits

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of their last name,

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and the last four digits

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of their social security number.

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You're kidding me.

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That is

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their email address.

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That is

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at whatever

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EDU.

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That is the most

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asinine thing.

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That's their naming convention.

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That's what they decided on.

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You've got to be kidding me,

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dude.

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Spider-Man doesn't like that.

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Dude,

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that is BS.

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You know,

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it's there.

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He's the kingdom

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right there, man.

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Yeah,

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and you know,

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the thing is,

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like I said,

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if you really went out

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looking for it,

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of course you could find it,

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but my gosh,

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giving it away,

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and you know,

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there's a phenomenon,

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I don't know if you've seen this,

44:27.840 --> 44:28.340
I don't know if you can

44:28.340 --> 44:29.380
back me up on this,

44:29.380 --> 44:30.480
but there's a phenomenon

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going on right now,

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and maybe some college students

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can back me up on this.

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There's this sweeping movement

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of banks offering

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free checking,

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absolutely free checking,

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totally free checking,

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rectum cleaning,

44:44.380 --> 44:44.980
free checking,

44:45.520 --> 44:45.900
you know,

44:46.120 --> 44:47.180
this whole movement,

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and what a lot of universities

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are doing,

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is when the students

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come to campus,

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a lot of them don't have

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and have never had

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an account before,

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they have an agreement

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with these banks

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where they'll give them

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the totally free checking account,

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and they'll,

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you know,

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take and automatically

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deposit their,

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their checks,

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or their financial aid checks,

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and automatically deduct

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their payments,

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and stuff like that,

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for ease of use

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for the university,

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it's much easier

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for them to do that,

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it saves them money,

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they work out a deal

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with the bank,

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yada, yada, yada,

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and they give these

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accounts to the kids.

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Well,

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that's sacrificing that,

45:19.980 --> 45:20.460
I'm sorry,

45:20.460 --> 45:21.380
I shouldn't say kids,

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students,

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whoever they have,

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whatever age they happen to be,

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these students,

45:24.660 --> 45:26.520
sacrificing their privacy

45:26.520 --> 45:27.620
by assigning them

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this email address,

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if you're working

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hand in hand

45:30.860 --> 45:31.960
with said bank,

45:32.340 --> 45:33.220
you would think that

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somebody,

45:34.400 --> 45:34.880
that would have to

45:34.880 --> 45:35.860
cross somebody's mind,

45:35.920 --> 45:36.380
wouldn't it?

45:38.040 --> 45:38.880
Apparently not.

45:39.440 --> 45:40.420
Obviously not.

45:41.640 --> 45:42.560
Obviously not.

45:42.840 --> 45:43.380
And someone,

45:44.320 --> 45:46.680
the person that sent this to me,

45:46.820 --> 45:47.920
also sent this

45:47.920 --> 45:48.700
to the university

45:48.700 --> 45:49.380
and to the bank,

45:49.860 --> 45:50.300
and they,

45:51.180 --> 45:51.840
I don't know if they,

45:51.960 --> 45:52.580
I can't verify

45:52.580 --> 45:53.580
that they took action,

45:53.960 --> 45:54.640
but they took it.

45:54.660 --> 45:55.420
That's a cool watch.

45:55.540 --> 45:55.720
Yeah,

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they took very seriously,

45:57.240 --> 45:57.900
this is not my,

45:58.180 --> 45:58.500
I don't,

45:58.740 --> 45:59.400
I'm graduated,

45:59.520 --> 46:00.060
I'm out of school,

46:00.140 --> 46:00.660
it's not me.

46:02.560 --> 46:03.900
But it's very close to home,

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I'll say that.

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I got you.

46:07.240 --> 46:08.600
They took it seriously,

46:09.360 --> 46:10.380
or at least they seemed to.

46:10.540 --> 46:11.460
They replied,

46:11.880 --> 46:12.720
they seemed to take it

46:12.720 --> 46:13.460
very seriously,

46:13.620 --> 46:14.700
they didn't realize it.

46:15.260 --> 46:15.900
They really didn't.

46:15.980 --> 46:16.140
I mean,

46:16.140 --> 46:16.480
you got a,

46:17.320 --> 46:17.580
you know,

46:17.620 --> 46:18.500
a big university,

46:19.000 --> 46:19.220
you know,

46:19.320 --> 46:20.860
tens of thousands of students

46:20.860 --> 46:21.680
or more,

46:22.220 --> 46:23.500
a bank that doesn't know

46:23.500 --> 46:23.980
what the student,

46:23.980 --> 46:24.280
you know,

46:24.320 --> 46:24.620
the bank,

46:24.780 --> 46:25.880
one hand doesn't wash

46:25.880 --> 46:26.240
the other,

46:26.360 --> 46:26.580
you know,

46:26.640 --> 46:27.380
the bank doesn't know

46:27.380 --> 46:28.340
what this hand is doing

46:28.340 --> 46:29.240
and this hand doesn't know

46:29.240 --> 46:30.200
what the other hand is doing.

46:30.820 --> 46:32.300
So somebody pointing out

46:32.300 --> 46:33.140
the two things,

46:33.220 --> 46:33.580
you know,

46:34.220 --> 46:35.180
they really didn't know

46:35.180 --> 46:35.600
about it.

46:36.260 --> 46:36.980
Seems silly,

46:37.100 --> 46:37.580
seems like somebody

46:37.580 --> 46:38.180
should have caught it.

46:38.580 --> 46:38.840
Luckily,

46:38.960 --> 46:40.020
somebody finally caught it

46:40.020 --> 46:41.380
and as far as we know,

46:41.920 --> 46:43.360
no damage has been done yet.

46:44.200 --> 46:45.180
But at the same time,

46:45.220 --> 46:46.480
there was also some backlash

46:46.480 --> 46:48.100
of people saying,

46:48.220 --> 46:49.220
how dare you report this,

46:49.280 --> 46:50.320
thanks for telling everyone

46:50.320 --> 46:51.520
how to commit fraud.

46:52.500 --> 46:53.220
No, it's...

46:53.220 --> 46:53.480
And I,

46:53.540 --> 46:54.980
no, it happened.

46:55.360 --> 46:56.040
Yes, well...

46:56.040 --> 46:56.340
And I,

46:56.340 --> 46:57.060
I'm like,

46:57.120 --> 46:57.400
you know,

46:57.480 --> 46:58.300
now you know what hackers

46:58.300 --> 46:58.500
go through.

46:58.500 --> 46:58.960
No, no, no, seriously.

46:59.180 --> 46:59.600
Because I mean,

46:59.720 --> 47:00.620
guess what,

47:00.680 --> 47:01.440
the bad guys have probably

47:01.440 --> 47:02.200
already been doing it.

47:02.420 --> 47:02.780
Exactly.

47:02.860 --> 47:03.540
They watch this,

47:03.640 --> 47:04.180
they study,

47:04.300 --> 47:05.200
they look for this kind of stuff,

47:05.260 --> 47:05.880
I bet you they've already

47:05.880 --> 47:06.500
been doing it.

47:06.500 --> 47:07.140
And, hey,

47:07.200 --> 47:08.000
they may find it now

47:08.000 --> 47:08.640
after the fact.

47:08.840 --> 47:09.400
And that's what I said,

47:09.460 --> 47:10.160
hackers have been going

47:10.160 --> 47:11.100
through this for years.

47:11.340 --> 47:11.680
Oh, damn it.

47:11.680 --> 47:12.660
We find vulnerabilities,

47:12.800 --> 47:13.420
we point them out,

47:13.460 --> 47:14.320
we go to jail.

47:14.600 --> 47:15.600
What the fuck?

47:16.260 --> 47:16.540
Exactly.

47:16.760 --> 47:17.160
Oh, whoops,

47:17.240 --> 47:17.480
damn it,

47:17.500 --> 47:18.020
see now you...

47:18.020 --> 47:20.820
What the fudge?

47:21.200 --> 47:22.600
I just dropped an F bomb,

47:22.680 --> 47:23.300
you dropped an F.

47:23.340 --> 47:24.300
All right, damn it.

47:24.520 --> 47:25.640
Yeah, just like that

47:25.640 --> 47:27.120
crappy little script I wrote

47:27.120 --> 47:27.760
that gets all those

47:27.760 --> 47:28.380
email addresses.

47:28.680 --> 47:29.200
Well, guess what?

47:29.540 --> 47:30.560
The spammers had that

47:30.560 --> 47:32.440
had that stuff a long time ago.

47:32.580 --> 47:33.440
That's nothing new.

47:33.860 --> 47:34.560
They've been using

47:34.560 --> 47:36.080
those lists for forever.

47:36.500 --> 47:37.080
You know,

47:37.560 --> 47:37.880
it's,

47:37.880 --> 47:39.160
yeah,

47:39.280 --> 47:39.860
it's better

47:39.860 --> 47:40.700
and it's hard.

47:40.820 --> 47:41.460
It's not easy.

47:41.620 --> 47:42.860
Like logic, right?

47:43.320 --> 47:44.240
At his school,

47:44.340 --> 47:45.020
he came out and said,

47:45.100 --> 47:45.360
hey man,

47:45.400 --> 47:46.260
this is really bad.

47:46.700 --> 47:46.980
And he,

47:47.180 --> 47:47.380
dude,

47:47.500 --> 47:47.900
he...

47:47.900 --> 47:49.060
He'd pay the price.

47:49.180 --> 47:49.640
He'd get busted,

47:49.820 --> 47:51.000
but it wasn't pleasant

47:51.000 --> 47:51.440
for the man.

47:51.720 --> 47:52.000
But,

47:52.360 --> 47:52.800
but,

47:53.500 --> 47:54.600
he has integrity

47:54.600 --> 47:55.900
and you can't put a price,

47:56.240 --> 47:57.340
you can't put a punishment,

47:57.940 --> 47:58.320
you know,

47:58.400 --> 47:58.660
straight up.

47:58.800 --> 47:59.160
Seriously.

48:00.580 --> 48:01.320
So, anyway,

48:01.420 --> 48:02.240
I thought you'd get a kick

48:02.240 --> 48:03.220
out of that little story.

48:03.440 --> 48:03.620
Yeah,

48:03.660 --> 48:04.180
that's pretty fun.

48:04.180 --> 48:04.780
By the way,

48:04.820 --> 48:05.120
personally,

48:05.220 --> 48:06.160
the last class I took,

48:06.740 --> 48:07.560
of course,

48:07.960 --> 48:08.180
you know,

48:08.220 --> 48:08.860
they wanted to give you

48:08.860 --> 48:09.560
the social security number

48:09.560 --> 48:09.720
and I said,

48:09.780 --> 48:09.900
no,

48:09.960 --> 48:10.660
I want something else.

48:11.060 --> 48:12.080
And they changed it.

48:12.120 --> 48:12.960
They have another system

48:12.960 --> 48:14.400
because they said,

48:14.460 --> 48:15.200
more and more people,

48:15.240 --> 48:15.980
and I hope it's true

48:15.980 --> 48:17.160
because I'd yet to see one,

48:17.200 --> 48:17.980
but more and more people,

48:18.520 --> 48:19.680
students were switching

48:19.680 --> 48:20.780
from that social security number

48:20.780 --> 48:21.160
and I did.

48:21.160 --> 48:21.620
that,

48:21.620 --> 48:21.640
that,

48:21.640 --> 48:22.400
that day,

48:22.520 --> 48:22.660
I said,

48:22.720 --> 48:22.880
no,

48:22.940 --> 48:23.700
I ain't gonna fly.

48:23.800 --> 48:24.780
Give me another ID number.

48:24.980 --> 48:25.180
Yeah,

48:25.260 --> 48:26.120
and you know what,

48:26.200 --> 48:28.460
the double irony to the story

48:28.460 --> 48:30.160
is this university

48:30.160 --> 48:30.980
has switched

48:30.980 --> 48:32.320
away from using socials

48:32.320 --> 48:33.740
as the overall student's

48:33.740 --> 48:34.380
ID number,

48:34.800 --> 48:36.480
yet they still use the social

48:36.480 --> 48:37.520
as the email address.

48:37.880 --> 48:38.060
Oh, God.

48:38.320 --> 48:38.500
Yeah,

48:38.620 --> 48:38.860
it's a,

48:38.960 --> 48:39.240
you know,

48:39.300 --> 48:41.220
it's like half-assed.

48:41.360 --> 48:42.000
That's all I can say.

48:42.120 --> 48:42.480
Big time.

48:42.640 --> 48:43.260
That's a good one.

48:43.360 --> 48:43.960
That's very good.

48:44.040 --> 48:44.300
I thought,

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you know,

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I thought you'd get a kick

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out of that one.

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I do it,

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that one a lot.

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Now,

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keeping with the,

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the theme here,

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I know,

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this is probably

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two of your favorite words,

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Patriot Act.

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Yeah.

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Congress is looking

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at problems

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with the Patriot Act.

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I heard this

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on NPR this morning.

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See,

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is that timing or what?

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Do we get our media

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from proper sources?

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What,

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you know?

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I think so.

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Finally,

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they realize,

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and you know what,

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you know what actually,

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and this is a good,

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I don't watch the show a lot.

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What is the,

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is it Mickey Rooney?

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Is that,

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is that the guy,

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the old guy?

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Is it Mickey,

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I don't,

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the guy on the end of 60 Minutes,

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I think is the show.

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Oh.

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He always,

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he's like,

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why is it that sometimes,

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yeah,

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and there you go,

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him.

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He actually brought this up

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on the show.

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I never watched the show.

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I happened to be flipping through,

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and it was on yesterday,

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and he was actually talking about,

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and saying that the Patriot Act

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was ridiculous.

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I'm like,

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whoa,

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this is 60 Minutes?

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This is mainstream biased media,

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and somebody actually said that?

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So there is,

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you know,

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there's something to be said.

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There's sometimes good stuff.

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I heard a senator this morning,

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I wish I could remember his name,

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talking about their concern

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for privacy,

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you know,

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for civil rights,

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essentially,

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you know,

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because it's Patriot.

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I don't know.

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It could be this right here,

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Bob Barr.

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It could be the same.

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I don't know what their agenda is.

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Yeah.

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After,

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they finally realized,

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after two years,

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what we've been saying

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since day one,

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the day it came out,

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how come the,

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how come it's the intelligent

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internet community

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knew on day one

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after it was released

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that it was screwed up,

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written in haste,

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signed in haste,

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overly broad,

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how come the internet community

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at large knew it?

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Because they've been doing

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the stuff that they're just,

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you know,

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getting legal rights to do.

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I mean,

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they've been able to do this,

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you know,

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use technology to do such things

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for a long time.

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He,

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the senator even said,

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he said,

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now that we have the capability

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to watch people,

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you know,

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to such an extreme degree,

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we need to look at this now.

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Yeah,

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well,

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it's a little late now.

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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Well,

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but you know what?

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Better late than never.

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I mean,

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I guess.

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I know that's horrible,

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but,

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hey,

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it's true.

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Better late than never.

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This is Representative

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Bob Barr states,

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and listen to this,

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this is,

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better late than never,

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but it's still kind of sad.

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He says,

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quote,

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little did I,

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or any,

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or many of my colleagues,

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know that it would shortly be used

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in context other than terrorism

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and in conjunction with a wide array

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of other privacy invasive programs

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and activities.

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Are you dumb?

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Are you just dumb?

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I mean,

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we told you this the day it came out.

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Why don't,

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why don't you,

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first of all,

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why don't you read stuff before you sign it?

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Okay?

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Read stuff before you sign it.

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We all know that.

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We preach about it on the show all the time,

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and our own senators

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and representatives

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don't do this.

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Oh,

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yeah,

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anti-terrorism bill.

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Oh,

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yeah,

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I've got to sign that

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because we just got

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our buildings.

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We've got to sign that.

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I don't want to be anti-American

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or anti,

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you know,

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I've got to sign this blindly.

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Read what you sign into law.

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Section 2-5,

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2-1-5,

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that's the one I've read it.

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2-1-5 allows the FBI

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to demand business records,

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including internet records,

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with a simple order

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from a,

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quote,

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foreign intelligence surveillance court,

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even if the subject

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is not a suspected terrorist.

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How do you miss that?

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How did you not read that?

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Oh,

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I didn't read 2-15.

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I stopped at 2-14.

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Yeah,

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I didn't read up to 2-15.

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Did he say that he didn't read it?

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I don't know.

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That surprises me.

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I don't know.

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I think they absolutely know

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what's going on.

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You think they knew

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that they were giving that power

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and didn't realize it would be,

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I mean,

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you think they're not naive?

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Oh,

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we didn't think they'd abuse it.

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Is one worse than the other

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whether they didn't read it

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or they read it

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and were too naive?

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Do we want people

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that naive in office?

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I think they're very smart men

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and women

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and they know exactly

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what's going on.

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I would debate your definition

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of the word smart.

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How about,

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all right,

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section 505.

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Motivations are different

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than intelligence.

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Section 505

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give the government power

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to use an administrative subpoena.

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It's not even a real subpoena.

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It's a simple security letter

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to obtain credit reports

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and financial documents

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as well as telephone

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and email bills.

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You know what it takes

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to get a security letter?

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Nothing.

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Nothing.

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Probable cause?

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Nope.

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Out the window.

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You don't need that anymore

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thanks to the Patriot Act.

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Judicial review?

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No,

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no,

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we don't need to put this

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in front.

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No,

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we don't need a review.

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Just write a letter.

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Right.

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That's it.

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Right.

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Oh, yeah.

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And they knew that, huh?

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They were smart people

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that knew that.

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I think so.

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I think they,

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they, I think

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they, I think

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if not to

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great detail,

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the people who are

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voting at the Hill

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know what's going on.

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They have,

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they have

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well-paid people

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to make sure

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that they know

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what's going on.

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Right?

53:43.720 --> 53:44.320
To make sure

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that they are

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meeting the needs

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of their constituents.

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I,

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I don't know.

53:49.640 --> 53:50.740
Maybe I'm a pessimist.

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I,

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I,

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I,

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it sounds like

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I'm the pessimist.

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Yeah.

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I'm the pessimist.

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You're the optimist.

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Is that,

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is that what we're

53:57.300 --> 53:57.840
looking at here?

53:58.640 --> 53:59.120
Because you,

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we do this all the time.

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You know,

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you know,

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it's,

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I don't know.

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Regardless,

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it's about time.

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It's a good thing.

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Better late than never.

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It's about time

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they looked at it.

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Maybe they'll make changes.

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Maybe they'll make

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some amendments to this.

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Maybe they'll get rid

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of it all together.

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Yet, ironically,

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they'll probably sign

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Patriot 2

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while they're doing it.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know,

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we won't even go there.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Here's another one.

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Now, see here,

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I'm going to flip the coin on you

54:24.400 --> 54:25.260
because I know you say

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I'm Mr. Negative,

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pessimist.

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I have lost a lot of faith.

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I don't,

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well,

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well,

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yeah.

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But listen,

54:30.600 --> 54:30.880
now let me,

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let me.

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Everybody,

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everybody.

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If you could,

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if you could hear,

54:35.780 --> 54:36.000
man,

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I wish I had a recorder

54:36.920 --> 54:37.600
some of the times.

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I would get a classic

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stink rant.

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Well,

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okay,

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but let,

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let me go with this.

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Listen,

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I'm going to fool you.

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No, no, no.

54:43.280 --> 54:43.460
I'm going to tell him, dude.

54:43.600 --> 54:44.040
There are some,

54:44.120 --> 54:44.560
and rants,

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not meant for public ears,

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but just good rants,

54:47.120 --> 54:47.340
nonetheless.

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And you,

54:48.160 --> 54:48.380
well,

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you would probably agree.

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Sometimes you are,

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you are quite pessimistic,

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my friend.

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I,

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I admit,

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I've lost a lot of faith.

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I've lost a lot of faith.

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Understandably so.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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let me flip it

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because I'll show you

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that I,

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see,

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I,

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it's just,

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I go,

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I'm a factual person.

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I deal with facts.

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I deal with what I see

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and I don't see how

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any intelligent person,

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if the internet at large

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knew that it was a problem,

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why didn't these people?

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And you tell me

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they're smart men and women

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and I'm sorry,

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I just don't see how

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any smart man or woman

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could or would

55:24.180 --> 55:25.700
willingly sign this into law

55:25.700 --> 55:26.860
if they knew

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what it entailed.

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And they're saying now

55:30.700 --> 55:32.220
that they didn't realize

55:32.220 --> 55:33.220
it would be used like this

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or didn't realize,

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well,

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I say to that

55:35.340 --> 55:36.380
that we need more

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experienced people,

55:38.200 --> 55:39.180
less naive people,

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more intelligent,

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I don't care how you word it.

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We need people in there

55:42.640 --> 55:43.620
who are going to

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sit down and analyze something

55:45.660 --> 55:47.920
and not be biased

55:47.920 --> 55:48.820
by lobbyists,

55:49.360 --> 55:50.580
not be biased by,

55:51.040 --> 55:51.780
you know,

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the worst thing is

55:52.640 --> 55:55.260
bipartisanship.

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You know?

55:57.100 --> 55:57.640
You don't think

55:57.640 --> 55:58.300
that has a factor?

55:58.300 --> 56:02.300
Not in today's government,

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no.

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I guess you have

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more faith than I do

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and I freely admit that.

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But signs like this one,

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here's a good story,

56:11.860 --> 56:12.920
this gives me

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more faith back.

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If I had more stories

56:14.840 --> 56:15.520
like this one,

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I would regain

56:17.900 --> 56:18.620
a lot of faith.

56:19.300 --> 56:20.840
The Safeguard

56:20.840 --> 56:21.880
Against Privacy

56:21.880 --> 56:22.980
Invasions Act

56:22.980 --> 56:23.980
is being rediscussed,

56:24.020 --> 56:24.900
the SPI.

56:25.540 --> 56:26.680
The goal of this act

56:26.680 --> 56:27.500
is to crack down

56:27.500 --> 56:28.340
on spyware

56:28.340 --> 56:29.520
by revamping

56:29.520 --> 56:30.560
and modifying a bill

56:30.560 --> 56:32.260
to allow security updates

56:32.260 --> 56:32.780
for software

56:32.780 --> 56:34.180
without leaving loopholes

56:34.180 --> 56:35.460
for spyware

56:35.460 --> 56:36.600
to communicate with servers

56:36.600 --> 56:37.720
and report private data

56:37.720 --> 56:38.740
back to companies.

56:39.520 --> 56:40.180
Kind of vague.

56:40.460 --> 56:40.760
Well,

56:41.680 --> 56:42.720
they're adapting a bill,

56:42.820 --> 56:43.380
first of all.

56:44.140 --> 56:44.920
They're adapting a bill,

56:45.000 --> 56:45.980
they're fixing loopholes,

56:46.560 --> 56:48.300
they're not sacrificing security

56:48.300 --> 56:49.040
in the process,

56:49.240 --> 56:50.400
and they're protecting

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the privacy

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of American citizens.

56:53.120 --> 56:54.120
Is it possible

56:54.120 --> 56:55.120
that there are people

56:55.120 --> 56:55.740
in the government

56:55.740 --> 56:56.340
that do know

56:56.340 --> 56:56.860
what they're doing?

56:56.860 --> 56:59.300
When I read this,

56:59.360 --> 57:00.540
I think maybe they are.

57:00.860 --> 57:00.960
Well,

57:01.060 --> 57:01.240
that's,

57:01.340 --> 57:01.740
that's,

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well,

57:02.160 --> 57:02.460
And now,

57:02.500 --> 57:02.580
see,

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here I am getting faith

57:03.480 --> 57:04.340
and you're questioning it,

57:04.360 --> 57:04.820
so I don't know

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what to think now.

57:05.700 --> 57:05.900
No,

57:05.980 --> 57:06.180
no,

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no,

57:06.320 --> 57:06.460
no.

57:06.540 --> 57:06.720
See,

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I think,

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I think that there's,

57:10.840 --> 57:11.940
I,

57:12.000 --> 57:12.220
I,

57:12.340 --> 57:13.240
I think

57:13.240 --> 57:14.740
there's an answer

57:14.740 --> 57:15.680
for both questions.

57:16.220 --> 57:17.500
And that is that,

57:18.160 --> 57:18.480
sure,

57:18.580 --> 57:19.600
the people,

57:19.780 --> 57:21.160
the people in ultimate power

57:21.160 --> 57:22.420
maybe don't know,

57:22.520 --> 57:22.920
you know,

57:23.260 --> 57:24.240
the specifics,

57:24.440 --> 57:25.280
but I guarantee you

57:25.280 --> 57:26.640
they have well-paid people

57:26.640 --> 57:27.680
to make sure that,

57:27.940 --> 57:28.200
that,

57:28.420 --> 57:28.760
you know,

57:29.160 --> 57:30.640
they get the Reader's Digest version.

57:31.520 --> 57:31.920
So,

57:32.140 --> 57:33.380
Is the Reader's Digest version

57:33.380 --> 57:33.900
good enough?

57:35.280 --> 57:35.840
You know,

57:35.900 --> 57:36.720
it has to be.

57:36.860 --> 57:37.020
When,

57:37.080 --> 57:38.280
when you're dealing with the nation,

57:38.440 --> 57:39.220
it has to be,

57:39.260 --> 57:39.540
right?

57:41.380 --> 57:41.780
No.

57:41.920 --> 57:42.420
You're senators.

57:42.800 --> 57:43.440
I'm sorry,

57:43.560 --> 57:43.760
no,

57:43.840 --> 57:44.540
I don't agree.

57:45.220 --> 57:45.800
But I can't,

57:45.860 --> 57:45.900
you,

57:46.200 --> 57:47.220
they don't have time

57:47.220 --> 57:47.940
for the minutia.

57:47.940 --> 57:48.620
That's,

57:49.200 --> 57:49.860
neither here nor there.

57:49.860 --> 57:50.160
I don't,

57:50.240 --> 57:52.020
I don't think taking away

57:52.020 --> 57:53.220
people's privacy

57:53.220 --> 57:53.960
is minutia.

57:53.960 --> 57:54.580
I'm not familiar with this.

57:55.400 --> 57:55.720
Um,

57:56.020 --> 57:56.740
I don't,

57:56.860 --> 57:57.180
uh,

57:57.880 --> 57:58.420
I don't know.

57:59.860 --> 58:00.580
I'd have to,

58:00.660 --> 58:01.760
to read more about this

58:01.760 --> 58:02.520
to see what it does.

58:02.640 --> 58:02.980
It's just,

58:03.200 --> 58:03.960
if this is actual,

58:04.220 --> 58:04.500
is this,

58:04.500 --> 58:05.720
is this verbatim?

58:06.400 --> 58:07.800
Is this verbatim right from

58:07.800 --> 58:10.180
a description of the,

58:10.180 --> 58:10.820
of the act?

58:11.180 --> 58:11.620
Um,

58:11.740 --> 58:13.300
just the two lines

58:13.300 --> 58:14.020
you see there,

58:14.140 --> 58:14.680
um,

58:15.000 --> 58:15.960
is a description of,

58:16.020 --> 58:16.180
that,

58:16.240 --> 58:17.580
that is the CliffsNotes version,

58:17.660 --> 58:18.600
if that's what you want to call them.

58:18.820 --> 58:19.520
That is the,

58:19.520 --> 58:19.620
uh,

58:19.620 --> 58:20.660
Reader's Digest version.

58:22.720 --> 58:23.380
Without leaving,

58:23.480 --> 58:23.620
Lewis,

58:23.620 --> 58:23.820
first,

58:23.880 --> 58:24.780
can we give us a report

58:24.780 --> 58:25.600
in private right to,

58:25.760 --> 58:26.220
I don't know.

58:26.360 --> 58:26.800
That's weird.

58:26.920 --> 58:27.060
Yeah,

58:27.080 --> 58:28.380
I'd have to read more about that.

58:29.060 --> 58:29.540
But if,

58:29.640 --> 58:29.860
if,

58:31.440 --> 58:31.900
I,

58:34.080 --> 58:34.780
I don't know.

58:34.820 --> 58:34.960
See,

58:35.100 --> 58:35.280
and that,

58:35.340 --> 58:36.020
and here's,

58:36.060 --> 58:36.920
here's where I say

58:36.920 --> 58:38.000
that I'm the pessimist.

58:38.080 --> 58:38.820
Because I'm,

58:39.240 --> 58:40.480
I see something like this,

58:40.480 --> 58:41.720
something I'm not familiar with,

58:41.760 --> 58:42.000
granted.

58:42.460 --> 58:43.440
I think there's,

58:43.640 --> 58:45.620
there's motivation there.

58:45.760 --> 58:47.220
And it's probably monetary,

58:47.340 --> 58:47.500
right?

58:47.500 --> 58:48.080
It's economic.

58:48.920 --> 58:50.180
Something about that,

58:50.300 --> 58:50.460
right?

58:50.460 --> 58:51.520
There's a reason for that.

58:51.620 --> 58:53.140
Some guy just didn't get pissed off

58:53.140 --> 58:54.160
at frickin' bond study

58:54.160 --> 58:54.480
and say,

58:54.540 --> 58:55.420
I'm gonna pass an act,

58:55.500 --> 58:55.780
right?

58:56.980 --> 58:58.140
Senator Jim Bob,

58:58.740 --> 58:59.400
right,

58:59.460 --> 59:01.240
was pissed at his frickin' Yahoo bar

59:01.240 --> 59:03.180
and couldn't uninstall it

59:03.180 --> 59:03.700
and said,

59:05.220 --> 59:05.460
God,

59:05.720 --> 59:06.360
gosh darn it,

59:06.440 --> 59:07.280
I'm gonna pass an act.

59:07.400 --> 59:07.460
That,

59:07.540 --> 59:07.740
you know,

59:07.820 --> 59:08.020
no.

59:08.720 --> 59:09.980
There's motivation.

59:11.060 --> 59:12.280
There's definite motivation there.

59:12.360 --> 59:12.540
So,

59:13.580 --> 59:14.340
I'd be curious.

59:14.540 --> 59:15.040
So there's,

59:15.240 --> 59:16.360
that's where I'm a pessimist.

59:16.460 --> 59:17.200
I think they always know

59:17.200 --> 59:17.860
what's going on.

59:17.960 --> 59:19.200
Maybe not to the,

59:19.200 --> 59:19.780
you know,

59:20.300 --> 59:21.340
to the buffer overflow

59:21.340 --> 59:22.360
level,

59:22.500 --> 59:22.800
but

59:22.800 --> 59:24.880
always a factor.

59:24.880 --> 59:24.980
Well,

59:25.080 --> 59:26.240
I wouldn't expect him to know

59:26.240 --> 59:27.800
to that detail.

59:28.340 --> 59:28.560
Right.

59:28.900 --> 59:29.320
You know,

59:29.460 --> 59:29.880
but,

59:31.100 --> 59:31.920
It's just an and.

59:32.020 --> 59:32.600
And is less,

59:32.720 --> 59:34.180
you know,

59:34.240 --> 59:34.880
there are people,

59:35.060 --> 59:36.160
there are people

59:36.160 --> 59:37.500
who champion these bills.

59:38.040 --> 59:38.280
Right.

59:38.660 --> 59:38.960
You know,

59:39.000 --> 59:39.540
who should

59:39.540 --> 59:40.340
and do know it

59:40.340 --> 59:41.060
inside and out.

59:42.500 --> 59:42.860
Now,

59:42.920 --> 59:43.620
does every senator

59:43.620 --> 59:44.780
gonna know every detail

59:44.780 --> 59:45.700
about every bill?

59:45.920 --> 59:46.180
Well,

59:46.260 --> 59:46.500
no.

59:46.600 --> 59:47.080
Absolutely not.

59:47.080 --> 59:47.800
I mean,

59:47.880 --> 59:48.660
I'm not naive enough

59:48.660 --> 59:49.200
to believe that.

59:49.300 --> 59:49.560
I'm not,

59:50.380 --> 59:51.060
I don't think that

59:51.060 --> 59:51.980
that's a senator's job

59:51.980 --> 59:52.540
is to sit down

59:52.540 --> 59:53.980
and read every line

59:53.980 --> 59:54.940
of every bill.

59:55.420 --> 59:55.640
Yes,

59:55.700 --> 59:56.340
they have to work

59:56.340 --> 59:57.340
with people to give them,

59:57.660 --> 59:58.620
but they do have to

59:58.620 --> 59:59.480
read more of it than,

59:59.540 --> 59:59.980
I'm sorry,

01:00:00.100 --> 01:00:01.380
than the Reader's Digest version.

01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:01.980
They have to read more

01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:02.660
than the Cliff Notes version.

01:00:02.660 --> 01:00:03.440
It's not that simple.

01:00:03.620 --> 01:00:04.160
It's not just,

01:00:04.300 --> 01:00:04.460
okay,

01:00:04.520 --> 01:00:05.160
I know what it's about

01:00:05.160 --> 01:00:05.820
and I'm gonna vote

01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:06.660
the right way.

01:00:06.820 --> 01:00:07.120
No.

01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:07.860
It's like,

01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:08.260
okay,

01:00:08.580 --> 01:00:09.640
if I vote this way,

01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.220
what industries will I affect?

01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:12.200
Who will I piss off more?

01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:13.360
Just like the steel tariffs,

01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:13.600
right?

01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:14.520
He dropped the steel tariffs.

01:00:14.620 --> 01:00:14.780
Great.

01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:15.320
You know why?

01:00:15.560 --> 01:00:16.320
Because there were gonna be

01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.600
sanctions by European countries

01:00:17.600 --> 01:00:18.420
that would have pissed off

01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:19.240
a bigger contingency

01:00:19.240 --> 01:00:20.120
here in the U.S.

01:00:20.520 --> 01:00:21.580
That's why he did that.

01:00:21.820 --> 01:00:21.980
All right,

01:00:21.980 --> 01:00:22.200
well then,

01:00:22.200 --> 01:00:23.000
let's use these two

01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:24.000
that we just talked about

01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:24.540
as an example.

01:00:24.660 --> 01:00:25.780
You just questioned the second one

01:00:25.780 --> 01:00:26.200
because you said

01:00:26.200 --> 01:00:27.240
it was overly vague.

01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:28.680
Now,

01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:29.500
if you're a senator

01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:31.000
and that's presented before you

01:00:32.660 --> 01:00:34.520
from your highly paid professionals

01:00:34.520 --> 01:00:36.060
and that's what they give you,

01:00:36.540 --> 01:00:37.280
what do you do?

01:00:37.600 --> 01:00:38.580
It's time to vote.

01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:40.080
Well,

01:00:40.240 --> 01:00:42.780
we're absolutely oversimplifying it,

01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:43.300
first of all.

01:00:43.340 --> 01:00:44.760
And you don't think that happens?

01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:47.300
I'm sure it does.

01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:47.680
Well.

01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:48.600
It's not just,

01:00:48.820 --> 01:00:50.660
it's for us,

01:00:50.740 --> 01:00:50.980
right,

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:53.600
and our main issue,

01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.040
the issue close to our hearts,

01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:56.180
everybody's,

01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:56.700
is what?

01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:57.160
Technology.

01:00:57.940 --> 01:00:58.540
So here,

01:00:58.640 --> 01:00:58.780
no,

01:00:58.840 --> 01:00:59.440
they're not going to know

01:00:59.440 --> 01:00:59.900
what that means.

01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:00.440
I don't even know

01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:00.900
what that means.

01:01:00.980 --> 01:01:01.320
Come on.

01:01:01.580 --> 01:01:02.300
What the hell does that mean?

01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.660
And he's,

01:01:04.200 --> 01:01:06.900
it's probably bundled

01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:07.760
with something else,

01:01:08.120 --> 01:01:08.440
right?

01:01:08.540 --> 01:01:09.500
He's got to wonder,

01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:10.120
you know,

01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:10.520
what,

01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:11.700
you know,

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.320
who is it going to affect,

01:01:13.460 --> 01:01:14.200
what district he's in,

01:01:14.240 --> 01:01:15.440
if this is a guy in San Francisco

01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:16.180
or Seattle,

01:01:16.640 --> 01:01:16.860
right?

01:01:16.900 --> 01:01:17.400
It's going to make,

01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:17.880
you know,

01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:18.580
much more difference

01:01:18.580 --> 01:01:19.740
than a guy in frickin' Arkansas,

01:01:20.120 --> 01:01:20.360
right?

01:01:23.240 --> 01:01:23.600
Yeah,

01:01:23.660 --> 01:01:24.400
it's going to...

01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:24.680
Well,

01:01:24.820 --> 01:01:25.840
I didn't quite catch

01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:27.680
the difference in...

01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:27.840
Well,

01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:28.120
I guess,

01:01:28.220 --> 01:01:29.440
I guess I get your point

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:30.860
is it depends on case to case.

01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:31.220
I mean,

01:01:31.220 --> 01:01:33.040
people's privacy

01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:34.440
is pretty much universal,

01:01:34.600 --> 01:01:34.920
but yeah,

01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:35.400
I got you.

01:01:35.460 --> 01:01:36.040
I know what you're saying.

01:01:36.040 --> 01:01:36.880
The frickin' copper mining,

01:01:37.160 --> 01:01:38.340
it's not going to...

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:39.160
I don't know if there's any

01:01:39.160 --> 01:01:40.160
copper mining in South Dakota,

01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:41.340
but it's absolutely

01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:42.080
going to mean something

01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:42.680
in, you know,

01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:43.340
in the Southwest,

01:01:43.600 --> 01:01:44.180
in Arizona,

01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:44.680
right?

01:01:44.680 --> 01:01:46.680
So,

01:01:46.820 --> 01:01:47.000
yeah,

01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:48.440
that's just one example.

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:49.420
I just...

01:01:49.420 --> 01:01:51.240
I just don't understand,

01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:51.640
then,

01:01:52.020 --> 01:01:54.520
how something like

01:01:54.520 --> 01:01:55.220
the Patriot Act

01:01:55.220 --> 01:01:56.200
gets passed.

01:01:57.480 --> 01:01:58.960
I just don't...

01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:00.280
Who was the president

01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:01.500
to beware the

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:04.380
military-industrial complex

01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:05.120
in times of war?

01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:05.780
Is that...

01:02:05.780 --> 01:02:06.480
Am I misquoting?

01:02:06.780 --> 01:02:07.300
I...

01:02:07.300 --> 01:02:07.480
Man,

01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:08.200
I can't even name.

01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:08.640
Anyways,

01:02:09.020 --> 01:02:09.280
you know,

01:02:09.380 --> 01:02:10.260
and that's another thing.

01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:11.020
Maybe I...

01:02:11.020 --> 01:02:11.340
Dude,

01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:12.160
I've...

01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:13.980
The motivation was...

01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:14.660
Did you ever hear

01:02:14.660 --> 01:02:16.340
the H2K2 speech

01:02:16.340 --> 01:02:16.960
by Airman Gruder?

01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:18.780
Did you hear that keynote?

01:02:19.140 --> 01:02:20.660
I think I heard part of it.

01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:22.940
Everybody listen to that.

01:02:23.040 --> 01:02:23.460
Listen to it.

01:02:23.460 --> 01:02:24.060
If it's two hours,

01:02:24.120 --> 01:02:24.320
three hours,

01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:24.480
whatever,

01:02:24.580 --> 01:02:25.360
listen to all of it.

01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:27.360
Because he's dead on

01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:28.600
about so much stuff.

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:29.800
And one of them is that,

01:02:30.560 --> 01:02:30.880
you know,

01:02:31.160 --> 01:02:31.400
what,

01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:31.760
you know,

01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:32.940
and I've seen this.

01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:33.680
Go to coffee shops

01:02:33.680 --> 01:02:34.780
and people are just...

01:02:34.780 --> 01:02:35.700
Two guys are talking

01:02:35.700 --> 01:02:36.920
all of this and that

01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:37.720
and this and that

01:02:37.720 --> 01:02:38.420
and blah, blah, blah.

01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:39.460
They don't know

01:02:39.460 --> 01:02:39.720
what the hell

01:02:39.720 --> 01:02:40.460
they're talking about.

01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:41.340
I don't know

01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:41.620
what the hell

01:02:41.620 --> 01:02:42.140
I'm talking about.

01:02:42.160 --> 01:02:42.980
It's just like this SPI.

01:02:43.060 --> 01:02:43.460
I don't know

01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:44.380
a damn thing about this.

01:02:44.420 --> 01:02:45.320
I can't talk to this.

01:02:46.060 --> 01:02:46.740
Straight up.

01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:48.220
But it doesn't mean

01:02:48.220 --> 01:02:50.280
you can't research that.

01:02:50.940 --> 01:02:51.640
It doesn't mean

01:02:51.640 --> 01:02:54.260
you should lose your faith,

01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:55.180
right?

01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:55.680
Although,

01:02:56.720 --> 01:02:57.680
probably most of us have.

01:02:58.460 --> 01:02:59.580
It just means

01:02:59.580 --> 01:03:00.200
that you have to

01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:01.000
educate yourself

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:01.820
and you have to make...

01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:01.920
Oh,

01:03:01.940 --> 01:03:02.600
this kind of goes back

01:03:02.600 --> 01:03:03.300
to what we were talking about.

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.380
It just means

01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:05.160
that you have to...

01:03:07.160 --> 01:03:08.160
You have to...

01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.060
For things that matter to you,

01:03:10.060 --> 01:03:11.100
you have to put

01:03:11.100 --> 01:03:13.080
some blood and sweat

01:03:13.080 --> 01:03:14.020
into it, right?

01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.160
Well,

01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:16.100
I like to think

01:03:16.100 --> 01:03:17.400
that I do educate myself

01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:18.820
on things that apply to me.

01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:19.780
I just wish

01:03:19.780 --> 01:03:20.760
my representatives

01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.480
and senators

01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.380
did as much

01:03:23.380 --> 01:03:24.780
as I...

01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:25.220
I don't know.

01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:26.760
Maybe I'm thinking

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.940
I do more than I really do.

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:28.480
I don't know.

01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:29.820
I just don't think

01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:30.440
that they're looking out

01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:31.660
for my best interest sometimes.

01:03:31.780 --> 01:03:32.700
I think the lobbyists

01:03:32.700 --> 01:03:33.940
have a lot of influence on them.

01:03:34.180 --> 01:03:35.320
I think the party lines

01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:36.620
have a lot of influence on them.

01:03:37.240 --> 01:03:38.520
And I think they make decisions

01:03:38.520 --> 01:03:39.380
based on something

01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:40.520
other than the best interest

01:03:40.520 --> 01:03:41.400
of the American people

01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:42.000
sometimes.

01:03:43.020 --> 01:03:43.140
Right.

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:44.180
Not all the time.

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:45.500
I'm not like...

01:03:45.500 --> 01:03:46.120
What's his name?

01:03:46.300 --> 01:03:46.700
Kaczynski.

01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:47.480
I'm not freaking,

01:03:47.620 --> 01:03:47.840
you know,

01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.340
gonna...

01:03:48.340 --> 01:03:48.940
You know...

01:03:48.940 --> 01:03:49.780
I get angry.

01:03:50.380 --> 01:03:51.460
I talk about it.

01:03:52.120 --> 01:03:52.920
I debate it.

01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:54.080
I may not...

01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:55.420
I still...

01:03:55.420 --> 01:03:56.860
I kind of see your point,

01:03:56.940 --> 01:03:57.480
but I just don't

01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:58.440
completely agree with it.

01:03:58.520 --> 01:03:59.120
I hope it wasn't...

01:03:59.120 --> 01:04:00.160
I hope it wasn't really...

01:04:00.160 --> 01:04:01.320
I know it was circular,

01:04:01.580 --> 01:04:03.200
so my apologies to everyone.

01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:04.340
That was...

01:04:04.340 --> 01:04:04.500
Dude,

01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:05.720
that was total freaking...

01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:07.100
If you ever listen to Rush Limbaugh,

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:08.120
and that's good radio, too.

01:04:08.220 --> 01:04:08.900
He's a dumbass,

01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:09.580
but it's good radio.

01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:10.600
Actually,

01:04:10.680 --> 01:04:11.140
he's not a dumbass.

01:04:11.160 --> 01:04:11.580
He's smart,

01:04:11.660 --> 01:04:13.640
because many people listen to him.

01:04:14.120 --> 01:04:16.180
Listen to the lack of logic

01:04:16.180 --> 01:04:17.220
and the circuit logic there,

01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:17.480
you know,

01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:17.940
and I...

01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:18.960
Please forgive mine,

01:04:19.040 --> 01:04:19.940
but...

01:04:19.940 --> 01:04:20.460
Dude,

01:04:20.580 --> 01:04:21.940
you want to...

01:04:21.940 --> 01:04:23.520
Train yourself.

01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:24.060
That's what...

01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:25.040
Everybody needs...

01:04:25.040 --> 01:04:25.920
I'm serious.

01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:28.160
Social training,

01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:28.540
right?

01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:29.720
You must train yourself

01:04:29.720 --> 01:04:30.440
to deal with people

01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:31.320
and to deal with people well,

01:04:31.420 --> 01:04:32.260
to manipulate...

01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:32.380
I mean,

01:04:32.420 --> 01:04:33.100
to persuade people,

01:04:33.180 --> 01:04:33.300
right?

01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:33.800
Social training,

01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:34.300
very important.

01:04:34.720 --> 01:04:35.520
You must train yourself

01:04:35.520 --> 01:04:36.040
physically,

01:04:36.380 --> 01:04:36.740
always.

01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:37.640
You must have balance.

01:04:38.240 --> 01:04:38.460
Always.

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:39.200
You know,

01:04:39.260 --> 01:04:39.580
hackers,

01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:41.440
you know,

01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:41.900
when you're young,

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:42.480
you're always...

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:43.380
You're shooting hoops,

01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:44.120
doing all this other stuff.

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:44.720
Your body's great,

01:04:44.780 --> 01:04:45.540
but you must train your mind

01:04:45.540 --> 01:04:45.860
as well,

01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:46.080
right?

01:04:46.140 --> 01:04:47.360
So physical training

01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:48.340
as well as mental training.

01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:49.420
Hackers and freaks,

01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:50.480
they do that all the time.

01:04:50.580 --> 01:04:51.820
So we're good in that spot.

01:04:52.040 --> 01:04:53.480
But you must train yourself.

01:04:53.540 --> 01:04:54.220
You must train yourself

01:04:54.220 --> 01:04:54.900
to prepare...

01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:55.180
Actually,

01:04:55.460 --> 01:04:55.620
ooh,

01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:56.500
this is kind of a segue

01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:57.520
into the next RFA.

01:04:58.180 --> 01:05:00.000
And you have to read about

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:00.540
and learn about

01:05:00.540 --> 01:05:01.220
things like this,

01:05:01.220 --> 01:05:01.400
right?

01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:02.200
You have to train yourself

01:05:02.200 --> 01:05:03.180
in the ways of your government,

01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:04.440
train yourself in the ways of law,

01:05:04.560 --> 01:05:06.440
train yourself in the way of privacy,

01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.200
and be prepared for things like that.

01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:09.020
So you know what?

01:05:09.060 --> 01:05:10.100
When you go to the coffee shop

01:05:10.100 --> 01:05:11.200
and some dumbass wants to talk

01:05:11.200 --> 01:05:11.780
about frickin'

01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:12.460
the steel tariffs,

01:05:12.540 --> 01:05:12.840
you can say,

01:05:12.860 --> 01:05:13.520
you know what?

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:14.740
I've had an interest in that

01:05:14.740 --> 01:05:15.680
and I actually researched that

01:05:15.680 --> 01:05:16.340
and here are the facts.

01:05:17.640 --> 01:05:17.900
And,

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:19.240
um...

01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:19.740
Well,

01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:20.200
I tell you,

01:05:20.260 --> 01:05:20.560
you know what?

01:05:20.580 --> 01:05:21.800
Where the hell

01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:22.580
did all that come from?

01:05:22.580 --> 01:05:22.700
Well,

01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:23.260
listen,

01:05:23.420 --> 01:05:25.760
I'm going to do something

01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.700
for you,

01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:28.860
out of respect for you,

01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:29.840
I'm going to do this.

01:05:31.600 --> 01:05:33.120
As hard as this is,

01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:35.440
I am an open-minded person.

01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:37.380
I try

01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:39.360
to give people

01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.060
the benefit of the doubt

01:05:40.060 --> 01:05:40.860
most of the time.

01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:43.880
It's gotten a lot of bad things

01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:44.820
happening that I've seen

01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:45.180
in the government

01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:45.880
to get me to be

01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:46.820
this much of a cynic.

01:05:47.580 --> 01:05:48.860
I am going to do this

01:05:48.860 --> 01:05:49.560
for you.

01:05:50.460 --> 01:05:51.220
I'm going to wipe

01:05:51.220 --> 01:05:51.820
the slate clean

01:05:51.820 --> 01:05:52.820
as of today.

01:05:53.220 --> 01:05:54.600
This is my New Year's resolution.

01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:55.980
I hate New Year's resolutions

01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:56.680
because I don't want to,

01:05:57.020 --> 01:05:58.420
I don't need a crutch excuse

01:05:58.420 --> 01:05:59.900
to make a new resolution

01:05:59.900 --> 01:06:01.000
in my life or a change.

01:06:01.180 --> 01:06:01.580
Exactly.

01:06:01.720 --> 01:06:01.900
But,

01:06:02.020 --> 01:06:03.020
since the timing is right,

01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:03.820
I'm going to go with it.

01:06:04.380 --> 01:06:05.300
When we come back,

01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:06.580
and this is a good segue,

01:06:06.660 --> 01:06:07.220
we're going to wrap up

01:06:07.220 --> 01:06:07.800
the show anyway,

01:06:08.300 --> 01:06:09.460
because I think we're,

01:06:09.740 --> 01:06:10.300
I'm not sure,

01:06:10.300 --> 01:06:11.040
I think we're over.

01:06:12.080 --> 01:06:12.840
I'm going to segue.

01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:13.780
Next week,

01:06:14.340 --> 01:06:15.240
episode 25.

01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:16.340
And by the way,

01:06:16.420 --> 01:06:17.220
thank you for being on.

01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:17.980
I'm glad to have had you

01:06:17.980 --> 01:06:18.920
on the 24th.

01:06:19.140 --> 01:06:19.500
Thank you.

01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:21.580
Because the 25th is our,

01:06:21.700 --> 01:06:21.880
you know,

01:06:21.980 --> 01:06:22.600
I don't know what

01:06:22.600 --> 01:06:23.480
anniversary it is,

01:06:23.540 --> 01:06:24.120
but it's a big,

01:06:24.140 --> 01:06:25.180
big step for us.

01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:25.980
Came right through

01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:27.160
the Christmas holidays,

01:06:27.160 --> 01:06:28.480
so I'm going to air

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:29.800
the telephonic craptacular.

01:06:30.580 --> 01:06:31.760
Put that on next week,

01:06:31.820 --> 01:06:32.420
so it's not going to be

01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:32.960
a normal show.

01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:33.740
That'll be next week.

01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:35.300
And I was glad to have you on

01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:36.500
for the last show

01:06:36.500 --> 01:06:37.340
before that.

01:06:37.740 --> 01:06:37.900
Right.

01:06:37.900 --> 01:06:38.180
You know,

01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:39.000
so this is kind of a

01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.620
milestone live show here.

01:06:41.060 --> 01:06:42.640
I'm going to do for you,

01:06:42.860 --> 01:06:45.180
starting on episode 26,

01:06:45.340 --> 01:06:46.480
I'm wiping the slate clean.

01:06:47.020 --> 01:06:49.500
I'm not going to prejudge

01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.320
and call our senators

01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:51.980
and our people

01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:52.700
a bunch of idiots.

01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:54.780
I'm going to try my best

01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:55.440
to start over,

01:06:55.900 --> 01:06:58.500
but I'm going to put you

01:06:58.500 --> 01:06:59.660
on the spot,

01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.440
and you're going to convince me

01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.320
why I'm thinking about this wrong.

01:07:03.640 --> 01:07:03.880
Why,

01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:04.520
how come,

01:07:04.520 --> 01:07:04.760
okay,

01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:05.360
if I get mad

01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:06.020
at one of these laws

01:07:06.020 --> 01:07:06.600
being passed,

01:07:06.660 --> 01:07:07.740
or I think something bad

01:07:07.740 --> 01:07:08.460
or wrong happened,

01:07:08.720 --> 01:07:09.560
I'm going to say,

01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:10.240
Dool,

01:07:10.580 --> 01:07:11.540
explain to me

01:07:11.540 --> 01:07:12.700
how this happened.

01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:13.600
Okay,

01:07:13.680 --> 01:07:14.240
and we're going to have

01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:14.960
this same debate

01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:15.720
back and forth,

01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.420
intelligent.

01:07:16.940 --> 01:07:17.820
There's nothing wrong

01:07:17.820 --> 01:07:18.740
with disagreeing,

01:07:19.020 --> 01:07:19.420
arguing,

01:07:19.620 --> 01:07:19.960
debating,

01:07:20.060 --> 01:07:20.620
as long as it's

01:07:20.620 --> 01:07:21.820
intelligent conversation.

01:07:22.380 --> 01:07:22.600
Right.

01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:23.540
You and I,

01:07:23.620 --> 01:07:24.380
we're going to do this,

01:07:24.560 --> 01:07:25.220
I don't know,

01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:25.840
once a month,

01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:26.180
once,

01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:27.060
whenever we get the,

01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:27.840
we're going to start

01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:28.700
doing this more often.

01:07:29.540 --> 01:07:30.860
Don't get me wrong now.

01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:31.160
No,

01:07:31.240 --> 01:07:31.440
no,

01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:31.600
no,

01:07:31.600 --> 01:07:31.760
no,

01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:33.260
I'm doing this for you.

01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:34.360
Out of respect for you,

01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:35.260
we're going to do this.

01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:35.500
And,

01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:35.720
and,

01:07:35.720 --> 01:07:36.280
and,

01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:37.420
and I have to apologize

01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:37.860
for all,

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:38.220
you know,

01:07:38.260 --> 01:07:38.540
for the,

01:07:38.580 --> 01:07:40.280
for the huge ideas,

01:07:40.380 --> 01:07:40.640
right,

01:07:40.720 --> 01:07:41.740
that came out of,

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:43.260
out of these specific discussions.

01:07:43.620 --> 01:07:43.820
Yeah,

01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:44.600
we went kind of deep.

01:07:44.600 --> 01:07:44.900
No way,

01:07:44.900 --> 01:07:45.640
no means,

01:07:45.720 --> 01:07:46.680
no way did I say

01:07:46.680 --> 01:07:47.780
that these guys are Mensa,

01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:48.100
okay?

01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:50.560
But it all,

01:07:50.620 --> 01:07:51.060
it all goes,

01:07:51.180 --> 01:07:51.520
here's,

01:07:51.560 --> 01:07:52.240
here's the thing,

01:07:52.380 --> 01:07:53.140
what's important,

01:07:53.560 --> 01:07:54.580
what's important to the people

01:07:54.580 --> 01:07:55.540
that have downloaded the show

01:07:55.540 --> 01:07:56.600
that are listening to the stream?

01:07:56.900 --> 01:07:57.120
What,

01:07:57.180 --> 01:07:57.920
what are important to,

01:07:58.000 --> 01:07:58.360
you know,

01:07:58.400 --> 01:07:59.200
what's important to you

01:07:59.200 --> 01:07:59.740
and to me?

01:07:59.740 --> 01:08:00.780
And this is really,

01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:01.700
this is going to sound really

01:08:01.700 --> 01:08:02.240
Sean Kennedy,

01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:02.860
and it is,

01:08:02.900 --> 01:08:03.720
because he's right.

01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.500
What you can do,

01:08:06.120 --> 01:08:07.140
what you have to do

01:08:07.140 --> 01:08:08.100
and you must do

01:08:08.100 --> 01:08:08.860
is,

01:08:09.060 --> 01:08:10.600
is prepare yourself,

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:11.700
right?

01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:13.360
You have to prepare yourself.

01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:14.180
You have to,

01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:15.100
you know,

01:08:15.160 --> 01:08:16.180
whether it be research,

01:08:16.300 --> 01:08:17.520
whether it be physical training,

01:08:17.860 --> 01:08:18.500
you have to,

01:08:18.540 --> 01:08:19.400
you have to be ready

01:08:19.400 --> 01:08:20.740
and you have to,

01:08:20.740 --> 01:08:21.060
um,

01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:25.000
so army,

01:08:25.100 --> 01:08:26.540
be the best that you can be

01:08:26.540 --> 01:08:27.800
so you can deal with

01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:28.700
any of these things

01:08:28.700 --> 01:08:29.620
that they throw at you

01:08:29.620 --> 01:08:29.880
because,

01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:30.200
no,

01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:31.680
they're not the smartest people

01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:32.080
in the world

01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:33.180
and they are influenced

01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:34.660
by more money

01:08:34.660 --> 01:08:35.760
than we'll ever see.

01:08:36.780 --> 01:08:38.320
That's all I was saying.

01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:39.580
No,

01:08:39.780 --> 01:08:40.040
and,

01:08:40.040 --> 01:08:40.400
and I,

01:08:40.540 --> 01:08:40.780
see,

01:08:40.940 --> 01:08:41.100
and,

01:08:41.100 --> 01:08:41.520
and,

01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:42.920
I'm not saying

01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:43.540
that they're not

01:08:43.540 --> 01:08:44.440
any of those things,

01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:45.620
but to say that

01:08:45.620 --> 01:08:45.960
they don't know

01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:46.560
what's going on

01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:47.740
is absolutely wrong.

01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:48.260
They know what,

01:08:48.260 --> 01:08:49.060
they know what they're doing.

01:08:49.160 --> 01:08:50.440
These are smart freaking people.

01:08:52.340 --> 01:08:52.940
I guess,

01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:53.920
I guess it's the levels.

01:08:54.100 --> 01:08:54.580
They're not,

01:08:54.860 --> 01:08:55.240
you know,

01:08:55.340 --> 01:08:56.100
physicists,

01:08:56.660 --> 01:08:56.980
right?

01:08:58.060 --> 01:08:58.580
But they know

01:08:58.580 --> 01:08:59.160
what they're doing.

01:08:59.280 --> 01:09:00.360
They know what their agendas are

01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:00.660
and they're,

01:09:00.660 --> 01:09:01.680
and they're going to

01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:02.980
reach their goals.

01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:04.400
Maybe we need physicists

01:09:04.400 --> 01:09:05.380
and rocket science

01:09:05.380 --> 01:09:05.640
in,

01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:05.980
in,

01:09:06.040 --> 01:09:06.500
in our,

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:07.680
in our government.

01:09:08.160 --> 01:09:08.620
They what?

01:09:08.820 --> 01:09:09.760
So maybe we need

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:10.580
rocket scientists

01:09:10.580 --> 01:09:11.260
and physicists

01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:11.640
and,

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:12.240
have you ever,

01:09:13.040 --> 01:09:13.460
you've,

01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:14.560
you've been to college.

01:09:14.860 --> 01:09:16.800
I go with a lot of PhDs,

01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:16.980
bro,

01:09:17.060 --> 01:09:17.940
and they're a lot,

01:09:18.200 --> 01:09:19.060
as a minor professor,

01:09:19.340 --> 01:09:20.080
very accurate.

01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:20.540
Yep,

01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:21.560
very true.

01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:22.300
Very accurate.

01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:23.580
So there's,

01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:23.980
and,

01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:24.680
and again,

01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:25.520
I'm sorry about all the,

01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:26.440
all these huge,

01:09:27.040 --> 01:09:27.520
you know,

01:09:27.580 --> 01:09:28.140
ideas,

01:09:28.280 --> 01:09:28.980
these huge notions

01:09:28.980 --> 01:09:30.120
that have come out of this.

01:09:30.240 --> 01:09:30.480
No,

01:09:30.580 --> 01:09:31.300
I want to be sorry.

01:09:31.400 --> 01:09:32.640
I think this is good conversation.

01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:33.140
I know,

01:09:33.260 --> 01:09:33.640
but I,

01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:34.900
and it's not that I'm screwing the issue.

01:09:35.080 --> 01:09:35.580
It's just not,

01:09:35.660 --> 01:09:35.860
you know,

01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:36.260
I can't,

01:09:36.260 --> 01:09:36.840
I can't speak,

01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:37.360
I'll admit,

01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:38.360
I can't speak intelligently

01:09:38.360 --> 01:09:38.960
to that last,

01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:39.840
that last piece,

01:09:39.940 --> 01:09:40.460
that STI,

01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:41.080
whatever it is.

01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:42.160
But that's okay.

01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:43.700
Because I'm doing other things,

01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:44.660
I'm making sure

01:09:44.660 --> 01:09:45.700
that I'm ready

01:09:45.700 --> 01:09:46.700
for whatever they throw out.

01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:47.640
I want to prepare

01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:48.500
as best I can.

01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:48.940
And,

01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.100
and there's infinite things

01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:50.400
out there

01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:50.720
to,

01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:50.900
to,

01:09:50.900 --> 01:09:52.300
to listen to

01:09:52.300 --> 01:09:52.920
and read

01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:53.180
and,

01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:53.760
and watch

01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:53.960
and,

01:09:54.340 --> 01:09:54.560
you know,

01:09:54.620 --> 01:09:55.160
going back to what

01:09:55.160 --> 01:09:55.720
we were talking about,

01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:56.140
smart,

01:09:56.320 --> 01:09:57.400
you plan this.

01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:00.080
What?

01:10:00.080 --> 01:10:00.720
What?

01:10:03.260 --> 01:10:03.780
That's a,

01:10:03.900 --> 01:10:04.360
ah,

01:10:04.500 --> 01:10:05.900
the point of show notes.

01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:06.740
Ah,

01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:07.700
maybe you ought to read those.

01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:08.620
That's,

01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:09.160
seriously,

01:10:09.380 --> 01:10:09.860
you've got,

01:10:09.980 --> 01:10:10.100
and,

01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:11.360
I'm,

01:10:11.360 --> 01:10:11.760
I'm going to,

01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.840
I'm going to go in this.

01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:13.060
I mean,

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:13.960
it's going to be much darker,

01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:14.460
unfortunately,

01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:15.820
but we're going to be talking

01:10:15.820 --> 01:10:16.440
about that on RFA,

01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:17.140
and I don't mean to pimp

01:10:17.140 --> 01:10:17.820
the show on this,

01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:18.060
but.

01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:19.020
Not by all means.

01:10:19.660 --> 01:10:19.780
It's,

01:10:19.780 --> 01:10:20.400
it's kind of,

01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:21.400
kind of what I plan

01:10:21.400 --> 01:10:21.940
to talk about,

01:10:22.060 --> 01:10:23.280
for a few reasons.

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:24.120
Segway.

01:10:24.240 --> 01:10:25.040
That anybody could,

01:10:25.160 --> 01:10:25.340
yeah,

01:10:25.440 --> 01:10:26.320
no reasons that anybody

01:10:26.320 --> 01:10:27.120
could ever think of,

01:10:27.160 --> 01:10:27.320
but,

01:10:28.400 --> 01:10:28.680
yeah.

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:29.840
This is Sean Kay,

01:10:29.900 --> 01:10:30.060
man.

01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:30.360
He's on,

01:10:30.400 --> 01:10:30.740
I'm going to,

01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:31.120
man.

01:10:31.360 --> 01:10:31.820
That was a,

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.860
that was a cross-platform

01:10:33.860 --> 01:10:34.400
Segway.

01:10:34.480 --> 01:10:35.540
That's a Segway to

01:10:35.540 --> 01:10:36.860
Radio Freak America.

01:10:36.980 --> 01:10:37.220
90,

01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:38.060
are you going to do 93?

01:10:38.900 --> 01:10:39.840
90 freaking 3,

01:10:39.900 --> 01:10:39.980
yeah.

01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:40.680
93,

01:10:41.080 --> 01:10:41.440
man.

01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.620
You're old.

01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:43.160
Yeah,

01:10:43.200 --> 01:10:43.460
I know.

01:10:43.580 --> 01:10:43.880
It's crazy.

01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:44.280
93,

01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:45.080
man.

01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:46.020
You're like,

01:10:46.160 --> 01:10:46.440
you're like,

01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:46.980
this is going to be like

01:10:46.980 --> 01:10:48.640
the Viagra years of RFA.

01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:49.840
Like two years,

01:10:49.940 --> 01:10:50.100
dude.

01:10:50.180 --> 01:10:50.780
Two years.

01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:51.680
That's a lot of freaking,

01:10:51.740 --> 01:10:52.140
wow.

01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:54.160
That's a lot of radio,

01:10:54.340 --> 01:10:54.500
dude.

01:10:54.620 --> 01:10:55.960
That's a long time.

01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:56.500
It is,

01:10:56.580 --> 01:10:56.880
it is.

01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:57.180
Long,

01:10:57.240 --> 01:10:57.620
hopefully,

01:10:57.880 --> 01:10:59.100
at least 93 more.

01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:00.240
Yeah.

01:11:00.340 --> 01:11:01.940
And I hope to be some part of them.

01:11:02.400 --> 01:11:02.580
Yeah,

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:03.160
we'll see about that.

01:11:03.220 --> 01:11:03.560
Again,

01:11:03.700 --> 01:11:05.240
thank you for being on the show.

01:11:05.460 --> 01:11:05.680
Anytime.

01:11:05.860 --> 01:11:06.800
We went very deep.

01:11:07.200 --> 01:11:08.540
I think this was a very productive,

01:11:08.660 --> 01:11:09.260
very good show.

01:11:09.380 --> 01:11:10.360
I think people are sitting at home

01:11:10.360 --> 01:11:10.780
thinking,

01:11:11.540 --> 01:11:11.900
hopefully.

01:11:11.900 --> 01:11:13.120
Every time I come on your show,

01:11:13.200 --> 01:11:13.340
dude,

01:11:13.400 --> 01:11:15.520
I think like I've never thought before.

01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:16.060
Seriously.

01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:17.040
Well,

01:11:17.200 --> 01:11:17.440
I guess.

01:11:17.440 --> 01:11:18.040
You always make me think,

01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:18.680
and that's really good.

01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:19.280
You and Bland.

01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:20.640
I'm not sure what that means,

01:11:20.700 --> 01:11:21.520
but we'll go with it.

01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:22.900
You know,

01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:23.560
and I'm going to do,

01:11:23.620 --> 01:11:23.760
okay,

01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:24.900
I'm going to do this,

01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:26.240
my shout out.

01:11:26.380 --> 01:11:27.000
Now again,

01:11:27.380 --> 01:11:29.140
the telephonic craptacular next week.

01:11:29.200 --> 01:11:31.060
We're going from a super ultra high,

01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:34.120
I hope it was an intelligent conversation,

01:11:34.280 --> 01:11:36.280
and next week we're going rock bottom

01:11:36.280 --> 01:11:39.040
to the telephonic craptacular, baby.

01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:39.800
Because we can,

01:11:40.040 --> 01:11:41.360
because I can roll like that.

01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:43.760
Because I can bring it like that.

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.340
I am going rock bottom next week

01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:47.860
with the telephonic craptacular,

01:11:48.460 --> 01:11:49.480
episode 25,

01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:50.140
like I said.

01:11:51.420 --> 01:11:52.060
Email us,

01:11:52.100 --> 01:11:53.300
the new email address is radio

01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:54.360
at binrev.com.

01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.120
Our closing music tonight

01:11:57.120 --> 01:11:58.060
is Ill Skill.

01:11:58.180 --> 01:12:00.000
Somebody we used very early on

01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:01.240
in some of the early episodes,

01:12:01.340 --> 01:12:02.560
and I haven't gone back to in a while.

01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:04.680
Just a track called Hip Hop Piano,

01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:06.780
just a nice groovy piano beat,

01:12:06.940 --> 01:12:08.360
piano groove over a beat.

01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:09.120
Nice,

01:12:09.400 --> 01:12:09.740
clean,

01:12:09.900 --> 01:12:10.740
mellow song.

01:12:11.300 --> 01:12:12.640
And my shout outs tonight,

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:13.600
as you can already see

01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:14.120
in the notes,

01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:15.260
I'm not sure what you're going

01:12:15.260 --> 01:12:16.140
to follow up with,

01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.180
but I'm going to give a shout out

01:12:18.180 --> 01:12:19.060
to the men and women,

01:12:19.780 --> 01:12:20.960
the brave men and women

01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:22.440
of the armed forces

01:12:22.440 --> 01:12:23.500
who have captured

01:12:23.500 --> 01:12:25.780
one of the most evil men

01:12:25.780 --> 01:12:27.140
on the planet.

01:12:27.940 --> 01:12:29.100
That's my shout outs.

01:12:29.240 --> 01:12:29.620
Forget,

01:12:30.160 --> 01:12:30.720
you know,

01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:32.640
any of the other stuff

01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:33.400
we've talked about,

01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:35.020
that's my shout outs

01:12:35.020 --> 01:12:35.460
for the night.

01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:37.900
Okie dokie.

01:12:38.160 --> 01:12:39.120
Did you want to add,

01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:39.340
or?

01:12:39.700 --> 01:12:40.100
Yeah,

01:12:40.160 --> 01:12:40.880
I want to shout out

01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:43.020
the default radio,

01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:44.580
in theory,

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:46.020
voodoo howl,

01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:48.040
bland,

01:12:48.160 --> 01:12:48.680
of course,

01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:49.420
mute,

01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:50.380
and of course

01:12:50.380 --> 01:12:50.820
the whole

01:12:50.820 --> 01:12:52.920
Arizona 2600 crew

01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:53.580
of rags,

01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:54.140
meme,

01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:54.900
bob,

01:12:55.360 --> 01:12:56.000
logic,

01:12:56.660 --> 01:12:57.260
fiend,

01:12:57.360 --> 01:12:58.320
all those mothers.

01:12:58.820 --> 01:12:59.220
What about,

01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:00.920
does Spidey

01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:01.740
have any shouts out?

01:13:02.280 --> 01:13:03.000
Spidey does,

01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:03.720
he wants a shout out.

01:13:03.860 --> 01:13:04.040
Yeah,

01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:04.340
yeah,

01:13:04.340 --> 01:13:04.560
yeah,

01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:05.740
I have your information.

01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:07.740
I'm ready.

01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:09.560
That's my favorite one

01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:10.000
right there.

01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:11.840
Speciality operators.

01:13:14.080 --> 01:13:15.260
That's like the lamest one

01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:15.660
right there.

01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:16.760
Oh,

01:13:16.820 --> 01:13:18.420
they have your information.

01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:19.200
Oh,

01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:20.100
she sounds so odd.

01:13:20.100 --> 01:13:21.200
That is so ethnic,

01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:21.540
man,

01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:22.920
that is just so wrong.

01:13:24.220 --> 01:13:25.360
I want information,

01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:26.220
can I help you?

01:13:26.900 --> 01:13:28.180
That is so bad.

01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:29.280
I love that.

01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:30.120
That's so bad.

01:13:30.120 --> 01:13:30.540
Spider-Man.

01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:31.040
All right,

01:13:31.080 --> 01:13:31.340
man,

01:13:31.660 --> 01:13:32.720
you know how we roll.

01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:33.920
We will listen,

01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:34.460
see,

01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:34.940
hear,

01:13:35.120 --> 01:13:36.020
speak to everyone

01:13:36.020 --> 01:13:37.120
next week,

01:13:37.200 --> 01:13:37.920
same hack time.

01:13:38.120 --> 01:13:38.800
Same hack channel.

01:13:39.140 --> 01:13:40.340
Peace out.

01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:40.500
Out.

01:14:10.340 --> 01:14:13.420
Out.

01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:16.000
I'm coming at you,

01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:16.640
yeah,

01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:19.080
yeah,

01:14:20.480 --> 01:14:24.800
free,

01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:25.620
right there.

01:14:30.160 --> 01:14:30.720
Out.

01:14:35.360 --> 01:14:35.560
Out.

01:14:38.140 --> 01:14:39.160
Coming at you,

01:14:39.380 --> 01:14:39.740
yeah.

01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:42.060
Yeah

01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:44.340
I'm not

01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:48.940
Free word now

01:14:48.940 --> 01:14:49.760
I'm not

01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:54.040
I'm not

01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:57.780
I'm not

01:14:57.780 --> 01:14:59.760
I'm not

01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:01.720
I'm not

01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:02.160
Sure

01:15:02.160 --> 01:15:04.160
Yeah

01:15:04.160 --> 01:15:04.480
Yeah

01:15:05.060 --> 01:15:07.660
I'm not

01:15:07.660 --> 01:15:26.000
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:29.660
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:29.660 --> 01:15:33.660
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:33.660 --> 01:15:51.660
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:51.660 --> 01:15:55.660
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:55.660 --> 01:15:59.660
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:15:59.660 --> 01:16:10.160
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:16:10.160 --> 01:16:12.300
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:17.160
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:16:17.160 --> 01:16:20.120
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:16:20.120 --> 01:16:24.860
I'm coming at you, yeah

01:16:24.860 --> 01:16:54.840
We'll be right back.

01:16:54.860 --> 01:17:24.840
We'll be right back.

01:17:24.860 --> 01:17:54.840
We'll be right back.

01:17:54.840 --> 01:18:24.820
We'll be right back.