WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.240 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:07.240 --> 00:12.120 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.120 --> 00:15.980 Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose 00:15.980 --> 00:18.620 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho 00:18.620 --> 00:21.140 Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold 00:21.140 --> 00:22.940 I was a dick with my 56 00:22.940 --> 00:25.960 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:25.960 --> 00:28.240 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:28.240 --> 00:31.960 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:31.960 --> 00:34.660 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream packs 00:34.660 --> 00:37.880 You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle 00:37.880 --> 00:39.880 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:39.880 --> 00:43.040 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug 00:43.040 --> 00:47.060 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.060 --> 00:49.280 Your CG, it's all gonna be free 00:49.280 --> 00:51.640 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely 00:51.640 --> 00:53.620 You feel that rattling in your bones? 00:53.620 --> 00:55.780 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones 00:55.780 --> 00:57.940 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back 00:57.940 --> 01:00.220 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:00.220 --> 01:03.060 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.060 --> 01:06.300 This is dedicated to the hackers and the cruisers 01:06.300 --> 01:11.100 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs 01:11.100 --> 01:13.720 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack 01:13.720 --> 01:16.960 Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio 01:16.960 --> 01:18.780 Episode 30 01:18.780 --> 01:21.560 Coming to you this day in history 01:21.560 --> 01:24.000 Or in future actually as we record this 01:24.000 --> 01:24.760 But you know what I mean 01:24.760 --> 01:28.780 January 27th, 2004 01:28.780 --> 01:29.880 I am StankDawg 01:29.880 --> 01:31.980 And I am joined by our good friend Rax 01:31.980 --> 01:33.060 Back for another episode 01:33.060 --> 01:34.260 Welcome to you my friend 01:34.260 --> 01:35.660 Thanks man, good to be back 01:35.660 --> 01:38.280 And we are going to jump in 01:38.280 --> 01:41.980 To our housekeeping feedback section 01:41.980 --> 01:44.780 Because we got a lot of good, good stuff this time 01:44.780 --> 01:47.900 I'm gonna jump right into the first one 01:47.900 --> 01:50.160 Cause it's a follow up from last week's episode 01:50.160 --> 01:52.840 And actually we've had a running topic 01:52.840 --> 01:54.720 That we've been doing for the past 01:54.720 --> 01:56.480 Gosh, three or four episodes 01:56.480 --> 02:00.640 Of 101 things to save the internet 02:00.640 --> 02:01.620 Ways to save the internet 02:01.620 --> 02:02.980 And last week 02:02.980 --> 02:04.400 Both, in theory and I 02:04.400 --> 02:06.360 Were both kind of stumped 02:06.360 --> 02:09.520 As to what one of these was referring to 02:09.520 --> 02:10.400 Because we never heard of it 02:10.400 --> 02:13.120 So I got an email from a couple people 02:13.120 --> 02:13.820 But I got one 02:13.820 --> 02:16.120 And actually I had the real name 02:16.120 --> 02:17.620 And you know we don't give that out on the air 02:17.620 --> 02:19.360 But somebody from the west side 02:19.360 --> 02:23.020 Basically explaining to us 02:23.020 --> 02:25.700 Which I am in turn explaining to the listeners 02:25.700 --> 02:27.560 About Fandango 02:27.560 --> 02:29.300 We had never heard of Fandango 02:29.300 --> 02:30.560 Before being on the east side 02:30.560 --> 02:31.500 We had movie phone 02:31.500 --> 02:33.260 And I never heard of Fandango 02:33.260 --> 02:35.420 We assumed it was something related 02:35.420 --> 02:36.540 Or similar to movie phone 02:36.540 --> 02:37.840 But he informs us 02:37.840 --> 02:38.280 Quote 02:38.280 --> 02:41.900 Fandango is an online ticket ordering service 02:41.900 --> 02:44.800 That allows one to print movie tickets at home 02:44.800 --> 02:46.860 And walk directly into the theater 02:46.860 --> 02:48.180 By passing lines 02:48.180 --> 02:50.820 The service charge costs one buck 02:50.820 --> 02:52.000 All the theaters 02:52.000 --> 02:54.660 AMC, Edwards, Century, blah blah blah 02:54.660 --> 02:55.720 Here on the west coast 02:55.720 --> 02:58.720 Have Fandango ads during the movie previews 02:58.720 --> 03:00.920 Featuring annoying paper bag puppets 03:00.920 --> 03:03.580 Now are you familiar with Fandango? 03:04.260 --> 03:04.580 No, no 03:04.580 --> 03:05.620 We don't have it here in Arizona 03:05.620 --> 03:06.680 We have movie phone 03:06.680 --> 03:07.560 But you know I gotta tell you 03:07.560 --> 03:07.880 It's just 03:07.880 --> 03:10.200 Charging you an extra buck 03:10.200 --> 03:10.680 I know 03:10.680 --> 03:10.980 To do that 03:10.980 --> 03:11.640 It's just 03:11.640 --> 03:13.720 You know it's just another revenue source for them 03:13.720 --> 03:14.520 It's like I was 03:14.520 --> 03:16.880 I'm gonna buy some tickets for a show here 03:16.880 --> 03:17.440 A concert 03:17.440 --> 03:19.900 And through Ticketmaster 03:19.900 --> 03:22.480 And if you wanted to pay the 03:22.480 --> 03:24.000 You know get them online 03:24.000 --> 03:25.460 Rather you can pick them up at Will Call 03:25.460 --> 03:28.340 They had some kind of electronic service charge 03:28.340 --> 03:30.060 Already like an extra five bucks per ticket 03:30.060 --> 03:32.060 And to email them to you 03:32.060 --> 03:33.540 They were gonna charge like an extra two bucks 03:33.540 --> 03:34.220 Alright 03:34.220 --> 03:35.320 How much does it cost 03:35.320 --> 03:36.680 To send those electrons? 03:37.240 --> 03:38.700 Do they really need to charge a buck 03:38.700 --> 03:39.520 For that extra convenience? 03:39.720 --> 03:40.340 I don't think so 03:40.340 --> 03:40.780 No 03:40.780 --> 03:41.420 I mean that's 03:41.420 --> 03:42.800 We all know what a rip off 03:42.800 --> 03:44.380 And they're famous for it 03:44.380 --> 03:45.000 Ticketmaster 03:45.000 --> 03:46.640 And those type things 03:46.640 --> 03:48.500 They're famous for those service charges 03:48.500 --> 03:50.340 And everybody hates them because of that 03:50.340 --> 03:50.820 But hey 03:50.820 --> 03:52.320 Where else are you gonna go for tickets? 03:52.620 --> 03:53.460 Well you know what you do 03:53.460 --> 03:55.380 Is you walk inside the lobby of the thing 03:55.380 --> 03:56.720 And they have these little kiosks there 03:56.720 --> 03:57.820 And you put in your piece of plastic 03:57.820 --> 03:58.540 And you swipe it 03:58.540 --> 03:59.140 And you pick it up there 03:59.140 --> 03:59.780 And there's no line 03:59.780 --> 04:00.440 Yep 04:00.440 --> 04:01.360 There you go 04:01.360 --> 04:04.060 The movie theater that I normally go to 04:04.060 --> 04:06.360 Let's see 04:06.360 --> 04:08.320 I think it is Movie Co 04:08.320 --> 04:09.560 That owns it 04:09.560 --> 04:11.240 Frankly I don't go a whole lot 04:11.240 --> 04:13.360 But I'm pretty sure 04:13.360 --> 04:13.780 As a matter of fact 04:13.780 --> 04:15.080 I'm almost positive it's Movie Co 04:15.080 --> 04:16.780 They have touch screen things 04:16.780 --> 04:17.220 Like you said 04:17.220 --> 04:18.200 You slide your card in 04:18.200 --> 04:19.560 And you can buy the tickets right there 04:19.560 --> 04:21.840 But you can also go online 04:21.840 --> 04:23.500 I think to MovieCo.com 04:23.500 --> 04:24.500 Gosh 04:24.500 --> 04:26.300 I hope I didn't turn this into a commercial for them 04:26.300 --> 04:27.740 You can go online 04:27.740 --> 04:28.780 And you can do the same thing 04:28.780 --> 04:30.320 You can order online with a credit card 04:30.320 --> 04:31.440 And print the ticket out 04:31.440 --> 04:32.680 And same thing 04:32.680 --> 04:33.760 You can bypass the line 04:33.760 --> 04:34.080 But I mean 04:34.080 --> 04:35.700 You pay just the cost of the ticket 04:35.700 --> 04:37.480 There's no additional charge or anything 04:37.480 --> 04:38.080 Yeah 04:38.080 --> 04:39.040 I mean that's BS 04:39.040 --> 04:41.320 When they start doing that kind of convenience charge 04:41.320 --> 04:41.600 You know 04:41.600 --> 04:43.100 Yeah it's kind of awkward 04:43.100 --> 04:45.040 To walk in with this big piece of paper though 04:45.040 --> 04:46.760 But you know 04:46.760 --> 04:47.320 And actually 04:47.320 --> 04:47.720 You know what 04:47.720 --> 04:48.180 You know what 04:48.180 --> 04:49.500 They did something that I did like 04:49.500 --> 04:51.740 They just started this very recently 04:51.740 --> 04:53.060 The buying tickets online 04:53.060 --> 04:54.160 Has been going on for a while 04:54.160 --> 04:54.820 And printing it 04:54.820 --> 04:56.220 But they actually started 04:56.220 --> 04:57.300 A separate line 04:57.300 --> 04:59.340 For people who print their tickets off online 04:59.340 --> 05:01.320 Inside of the theater 05:01.320 --> 05:02.500 Not outside to buy them 05:02.500 --> 05:03.440 But once you get inside 05:03.440 --> 05:04.500 Like if you get there early 05:04.500 --> 05:05.380 For Lord of the Rings 05:05.380 --> 05:06.280 Or one of the big movies 05:06.280 --> 05:07.500 Which is the last thing I saw 05:07.500 --> 05:09.820 You have to wait in line 05:09.820 --> 05:10.920 To then get in the theater 05:10.920 --> 05:12.320 So you want to get there early 05:12.320 --> 05:13.500 To try to get a good seat and all 05:13.500 --> 05:15.400 If you printed it off yourself 05:15.400 --> 05:17.620 They let you go straight to the front of the line 05:17.620 --> 05:18.240 For doing that 05:18.240 --> 05:19.600 As a reward I guess 05:19.600 --> 05:20.640 If you want to think of it like that 05:20.640 --> 05:21.400 Now that's cool 05:21.400 --> 05:23.740 That plus not charging you extra for that 05:23.740 --> 05:24.200 That's good 05:24.200 --> 05:24.840 That's worthwhile 05:24.840 --> 05:25.780 Yeah I like that 05:25.780 --> 05:26.940 I do like that about them 05:26.940 --> 05:27.380 That's like 05:27.380 --> 05:28.580 You know all these other things too 05:28.580 --> 05:29.680 People are doing that 05:29.680 --> 05:30.820 And trying to save them money 05:30.820 --> 05:31.620 Making more money 05:31.620 --> 05:33.960 A lot of the banks and credit cards 05:33.960 --> 05:34.820 And they want you to sign up 05:34.820 --> 05:36.000 For electronic statements 05:36.000 --> 05:37.420 Well I don't do that 05:37.420 --> 05:38.180 Because you know 05:38.180 --> 05:39.440 If there's no benefit to me 05:39.440 --> 05:40.460 That saves them money 05:40.460 --> 05:41.740 And I'm already paying them 05:41.740 --> 05:42.800 A boatload of money anyway 05:42.800 --> 05:44.000 To handle my finances 05:44.000 --> 05:45.680 But my credit union 05:45.680 --> 05:47.200 They said if you have direct deposit 05:47.200 --> 05:49.220 And you sign up for e-statements 05:49.220 --> 05:50.200 They'll give you free bill pay 05:50.200 --> 05:50.940 That's worth it 05:50.940 --> 05:51.400 You know so 05:51.400 --> 05:53.760 Note to the marketing people out there 05:53.760 --> 05:55.060 If you're going to do something like that 05:55.060 --> 05:56.060 Yeah technology is great 05:56.060 --> 05:56.880 We like technology 05:56.880 --> 05:58.060 But we're not stupid 05:58.060 --> 05:58.700 Exactly 05:58.700 --> 06:00.320 Which it costs for those electrons 06:00.320 --> 06:01.340 So you know 06:01.340 --> 06:02.900 Don't try to snow something over on us 06:02.900 --> 06:04.460 And turn it into a profit center for you 06:04.460 --> 06:04.940 Right 06:04.940 --> 06:07.700 And that's exactly what happened to me 06:07.700 --> 06:09.040 I refinanced my home 06:09.040 --> 06:10.040 About a year or so ago 06:10.040 --> 06:11.940 Because the old company I had 06:11.940 --> 06:12.660 Which was 06:12.660 --> 06:14.360 Oh let me share with you 06:14.360 --> 06:15.120 Because they sucked 06:15.120 --> 06:15.660 It was 06:15.660 --> 06:16.520 What were they called 06:16.520 --> 06:18.240 Chase Manhattan Mortgage 06:18.240 --> 06:20.180 Big credit card company also 06:20.180 --> 06:21.660 But that's what they would do 06:21.660 --> 06:22.460 If I wanted to set up 06:22.460 --> 06:23.600 Automatic payments 06:23.600 --> 06:24.720 Automatic deductions 06:24.720 --> 06:26.000 Where I give them 06:26.000 --> 06:26.760 My checking account 06:26.760 --> 06:27.300 Stuff like that 06:27.300 --> 06:28.000 Which obviously 06:28.000 --> 06:29.560 Makes it much easier for them 06:29.560 --> 06:30.440 They save money 06:30.440 --> 06:31.720 They get their money guaranteed 06:31.720 --> 06:33.600 It's all good things for them 06:33.600 --> 06:35.120 They actually wanted to charge me 06:35.120 --> 06:36.040 A fee to do that 06:36.040 --> 06:36.480 Yeah 06:36.480 --> 06:38.440 Like how crazy is that 06:38.440 --> 06:40.120 That just blew my mind 06:40.120 --> 06:41.020 So of course I said 06:41.020 --> 06:41.900 Heck no 06:41.900 --> 06:43.760 And didn't bother with it 06:43.760 --> 06:45.960 And refinanced with a new company 06:45.960 --> 06:47.000 And that's one of the first things 06:47.000 --> 06:47.640 I asked them 06:47.640 --> 06:48.580 Was at the very beginning 06:48.580 --> 06:49.040 I'm like listen 06:49.040 --> 06:49.860 Here's the problem I had 06:49.860 --> 06:50.520 With the other company 06:50.520 --> 06:51.960 I said with you all 06:51.960 --> 06:53.460 Can I set it up like that 06:53.460 --> 06:54.360 And if so 06:54.360 --> 06:55.220 What is the charge 06:55.220 --> 06:56.700 And their quote was 06:56.700 --> 06:58.800 We will never charge you 06:58.800 --> 07:00.260 To pay your bill 07:00.260 --> 07:02.420 Like well my god 07:02.420 --> 07:03.840 Is that really that much to ask 07:03.840 --> 07:04.600 Yeah 07:04.600 --> 07:05.080 Yeah 07:05.080 --> 07:06.720 It's sad that that happens sometimes 07:06.720 --> 07:07.480 But anyway 07:07.480 --> 07:09.080 So yeah 07:09.080 --> 07:09.480 That's 07:09.480 --> 07:10.460 I'd never heard of that before 07:10.460 --> 07:11.400 So now that clarifies 07:11.400 --> 07:13.100 We assumed it was something like that 07:13.100 --> 07:14.640 But the other thing is 07:14.640 --> 07:16.460 If MovieCo is doing this on their own 07:16.460 --> 07:17.980 Why are these people outsourcing it 07:17.980 --> 07:20.880 To this Fandango company 07:20.880 --> 07:21.240 And stuff 07:21.240 --> 07:22.240 To order online 07:22.240 --> 07:24.080 And charge an extra buck for it 07:24.080 --> 07:25.420 And I would imagine 07:25.420 --> 07:27.560 Some theaters out in the big cities 07:27.560 --> 07:27.880 And stuff 07:27.880 --> 07:29.900 Might be $10, $11 tickets already 07:29.900 --> 07:30.580 Oh yeah 07:30.580 --> 07:30.960 You know 07:30.960 --> 07:32.080 Because they're like $8.50 07:32.080 --> 07:32.480 I've heard that the other day 07:32.480 --> 07:34.240 East Coast, New York 07:34.240 --> 07:35.480 And I guess they're kind of used to that 07:35.480 --> 07:36.000 But here 07:36.000 --> 07:37.900 Just went to the movie last night 07:37.900 --> 07:40.280 It was $8.50 ahead for adults 07:40.280 --> 07:41.160 Yeah same here 07:41.160 --> 07:41.460 So 07:41.460 --> 07:42.760 You know 07:42.760 --> 07:43.260 When they start 07:43.260 --> 07:44.520 Getting up around there 07:44.520 --> 07:45.380 It's just crazy 07:45.380 --> 07:45.920 Yeah 07:45.920 --> 07:46.340 And you know 07:46.340 --> 07:47.140 You go with a date 07:47.140 --> 07:48.360 That's $20 right there 07:48.360 --> 07:48.660 And tickets 07:48.660 --> 07:49.920 Oh then you get the 07:49.920 --> 07:50.320 You know 07:50.320 --> 07:51.000 Then you get the 07:51.000 --> 07:51.540 You know 07:51.540 --> 07:53.340 55 gallon drum of Pepsi 07:53.340 --> 07:54.460 That's you know 07:54.460 --> 07:56.120 $10 and all that other stuff 07:56.120 --> 07:56.420 Yeah 07:56.420 --> 07:57.260 I don't know 07:57.260 --> 07:58.680 I don't know if you have this 07:58.680 --> 07:59.600 But the same theater 07:59.600 --> 08:00.480 I was talking about 08:00.480 --> 08:01.580 I don't know if this is 08:01.580 --> 08:03.120 Specific to ours 08:03.120 --> 08:03.960 Or if this is common 08:03.960 --> 08:04.800 But the first time 08:04.800 --> 08:05.720 I'd ever seen it was 08:05.720 --> 08:08.240 They have an upstairs section 08:08.240 --> 08:09.640 That costs more to get into 08:09.640 --> 08:10.680 Do you have anything like that 08:10.680 --> 08:11.240 No 08:11.240 --> 08:12.880 We have a balcony section 08:12.880 --> 08:13.840 That's 08:13.840 --> 08:14.480 I think it's called 08:14.480 --> 08:15.640 The Premier Theaters 08:15.640 --> 08:16.760 Or something like that 08:16.760 --> 08:19.080 Basically it's the same 08:19.080 --> 08:20.960 Auditorium that everyone else is 08:20.960 --> 08:22.160 But it's a balcony up top 08:22.160 --> 08:24.860 With luxurious plush seats 08:24.860 --> 08:26.120 Where you can stretch back 08:26.120 --> 08:26.620 And they're not 08:26.620 --> 08:26.900 You know 08:26.900 --> 08:27.800 You're not crammed 08:27.800 --> 08:29.280 All up with everybody else 08:29.280 --> 08:30.640 You can kick back 08:30.640 --> 08:30.980 Relax 08:30.980 --> 08:32.720 I think it's like 08:32.720 --> 08:33.720 $15 08:33.720 --> 08:34.820 $18 08:34.820 --> 08:36.280 Somewhere along those lines 08:36.280 --> 08:37.940 Just to get in up there 08:37.940 --> 08:38.360 Each 08:38.360 --> 08:40.500 But you get valet parking 08:40.500 --> 08:43.800 Which I guess if you're lazy 08:43.800 --> 08:44.300 I don't know 08:44.300 --> 08:45.280 Well and the valets 08:45.280 --> 08:46.180 Still probably expect you 08:46.180 --> 08:46.680 To sip though 08:46.680 --> 08:47.200 Exactly 08:47.200 --> 08:47.780 So you got money 08:47.780 --> 08:48.340 On top of that 08:48.340 --> 08:49.720 What they do give you 08:49.720 --> 08:50.740 Is you get free popcorn 08:50.740 --> 08:52.380 Yeah big deal 08:52.380 --> 08:53.340 That's the cheapest thing 08:53.340 --> 08:53.700 They make 08:53.700 --> 08:54.500 It costs them a nickel 08:54.500 --> 08:55.460 To make a whole bucket 08:55.460 --> 08:56.260 Full of popcorn 08:56.260 --> 08:59.580 But they don't give you 08:59.580 --> 09:00.120 A free drink 09:00.120 --> 09:01.720 So you eat all that popcorn 09:01.720 --> 09:02.620 And of course you're thirsty 09:02.620 --> 09:03.640 With all that salty popcorn 09:03.640 --> 09:04.240 So you end up 09:04.240 --> 09:04.860 Getting that anyway 09:04.860 --> 09:06.040 And then on top of that 09:06.040 --> 09:06.820 They have a theater 09:06.820 --> 09:07.960 Supposedly a 09:07.960 --> 09:09.260 Exclusive 09:09.260 --> 09:09.640 I'm sorry 09:09.640 --> 09:10.080 Not a theater 09:10.080 --> 09:10.620 A restaurant 09:10.620 --> 09:11.740 An exclusive restaurant 09:11.740 --> 09:12.720 Up there as well 09:12.720 --> 09:14.240 That you can't even access 09:14.240 --> 09:15.000 And get into 09:15.000 --> 09:15.920 To order food 09:15.920 --> 09:16.580 Unless you 09:16.580 --> 09:17.640 Have purchased tickets 09:17.640 --> 09:18.360 To see a movie 09:18.360 --> 09:19.020 Right 09:19.020 --> 09:19.680 So it's kind of 09:19.680 --> 09:21.240 An exclusive club type thing 09:21.240 --> 09:21.680 And I've heard 09:21.680 --> 09:23.100 The food isn't all that great 09:23.100 --> 09:24.440 And it's overpriced as well 09:24.440 --> 09:24.860 So 09:24.860 --> 09:26.000 Well I had heard about 09:26.000 --> 09:27.580 Trying to get it back 09:27.580 --> 09:28.220 To technology 09:28.220 --> 09:29.540 Had heard about something 09:29.540 --> 09:29.980 I think it was in 09:29.980 --> 09:30.840 San Antonio Texas 09:30.840 --> 09:31.760 Maybe one of the listeners 09:31.760 --> 09:32.900 Can write back 09:32.900 --> 09:33.380 And let us know 09:33.380 --> 09:33.600 But 09:33.600 --> 09:34.720 Where they had 09:34.720 --> 09:35.780 Wi-Fi in the theater 09:35.780 --> 09:37.240 Remember reading about that 09:37.240 --> 09:38.600 No I've never heard of that 09:38.600 --> 09:39.460 That would be interesting 09:39.460 --> 09:39.880 Yeah they had 09:39.880 --> 09:41.460 Wi-Fi stuff 09:41.460 --> 09:42.500 Going at the same time 09:42.500 --> 09:42.960 I don't know why 09:42.960 --> 09:43.680 You'd want to go to a movie 09:43.680 --> 09:44.660 And check your email 09:44.660 --> 09:45.680 Or do IMing 09:45.680 --> 09:46.160 Or something 09:46.160 --> 09:46.460 But 09:46.460 --> 09:47.600 I guess it's better 09:47.600 --> 09:48.200 Than your pager 09:48.200 --> 09:49.040 Going off in the middle 09:49.040 --> 09:49.420 Of the movie 09:49.420 --> 09:50.280 Or your cell phone 09:50.280 --> 09:51.100 So if anyone's heard 09:51.100 --> 09:51.700 Anything about that 09:51.700 --> 09:52.020 Write in 09:52.020 --> 09:52.520 And let us know 09:52.520 --> 09:52.820 Yeah 09:52.820 --> 09:53.400 Radio at 09:53.400 --> 09:54.260 BinRev.com 09:54.260 --> 09:55.880 And I do know 09:55.880 --> 09:56.980 That ours has a daycare center 09:56.980 --> 09:58.340 With computers networked in it 09:58.340 --> 09:58.920 With little games 09:58.920 --> 09:59.540 For the little kids 09:59.540 --> 09:59.880 And stuff 09:59.880 --> 10:01.520 Okay 10:01.520 --> 10:02.060 Anyway 10:02.060 --> 10:02.440 Yes 10:02.440 --> 10:03.380 Back to technology 10:03.380 --> 10:05.020 Let's go on to another email 10:05.020 --> 10:05.460 First of all 10:05.460 --> 10:06.580 Thank you for that one 10:06.580 --> 10:07.900 Person whose name 10:07.900 --> 10:08.840 I can't read on the air 10:08.840 --> 10:10.680 I got another email 10:10.680 --> 10:11.540 From a new listener 10:11.540 --> 10:12.460 Named Cessna 10:12.460 --> 10:13.480 Who goes by Cessna 10:13.480 --> 10:15.060 And he says 10:15.060 --> 10:15.400 Quote 10:15.400 --> 10:15.960 Hi 10:15.960 --> 10:16.720 First off 10:16.720 --> 10:17.220 I'd like to say 10:17.220 --> 10:18.100 That I love the show 10:18.100 --> 10:19.500 You provide so much 10:19.500 --> 10:20.480 Information on your show 10:20.480 --> 10:21.540 I thoroughly enjoy 10:21.540 --> 10:22.700 Listening to it 10:22.700 --> 10:23.600 It has helped me 10:23.600 --> 10:24.920 Understand the goings on 10:24.920 --> 10:25.580 In some of my 10:25.580 --> 10:26.380 Novell classes 10:26.380 --> 10:27.280 I'm taking an 10:27.280 --> 10:27.980 Associates in 10:27.980 --> 10:28.820 Telecommunications 10:28.820 --> 10:29.820 Systems Management 10:29.820 --> 10:30.840 The networking 10:30.840 --> 10:31.660 Career path 10:31.660 --> 10:32.880 It gets hard at times 10:32.880 --> 10:33.800 But I crave learning 10:33.800 --> 10:34.320 About it 10:34.320 --> 10:36.680 I love hearing that 10:36.680 --> 10:37.140 Because 10:37.140 --> 10:38.480 That's one thing 10:38.480 --> 10:39.400 That's just a 10:39.400 --> 10:40.260 Trade of hackers 10:40.260 --> 10:41.400 You always crave 10:41.400 --> 10:41.720 Learning 10:41.720 --> 10:42.740 You always crave 10:42.740 --> 10:43.100 Knowledge 10:43.100 --> 10:43.720 And it's just 10:43.720 --> 10:45.540 It can't be 10:45.540 --> 10:48.320 It can't be 10:48.320 --> 10:50.460 It's unsatiable 10:50.460 --> 10:51.920 It's unsatiable 10:51.920 --> 10:52.620 And it continues 10:52.620 --> 10:53.320 Throughout life 10:53.320 --> 10:53.920 In my opinion 10:53.920 --> 10:55.200 So I understand 10:55.200 --> 10:56.100 What he says by that 10:56.100 --> 10:56.980 It goes on 10:56.980 --> 10:57.260 It says 10:57.260 --> 10:57.900 I found out about 10:57.900 --> 10:58.300 Your show 10:58.300 --> 10:59.340 Through Dual Parallel 10:59.340 --> 10:59.700 Sight 10:59.700 --> 11:01.320 And I found out 11:01.320 --> 11:02.220 About Dual Sight 11:02.220 --> 11:03.660 Through 2600 Magazine 11:03.660 --> 11:05.340 I also listen to 11:05.340 --> 11:06.000 In the Now 11:06.000 --> 11:06.920 Off the Hook 11:06.920 --> 11:08.260 And Default Radio 11:08.260 --> 11:09.040 All of these shows 11:09.040 --> 11:10.600 Are great as well 11:10.600 --> 11:11.400 Yes they are 11:11.400 --> 11:13.200 I recently sent you 11:13.200 --> 11:13.880 Money via PayPal 11:13.880 --> 11:14.580 For the first two 11:14.580 --> 11:15.560 Issues of your magazine 11:15.560 --> 11:17.180 Can't wait till I get them 11:17.180 --> 11:18.040 I heard you talk about 11:18.040 --> 11:18.860 How Dual and Bland 11:18.860 --> 11:19.700 Are going to the 11:19.700 --> 11:21.140 Next Hope conference 11:21.140 --> 11:22.160 I'm planning on 11:22.160 --> 11:23.000 Attending as well 11:23.000 --> 11:24.100 Is there going to be 11:24.100 --> 11:24.860 A Ben Rav 11:24.860 --> 11:26.420 Slash Radio Freak 11:26.420 --> 11:27.260 America group 11:27.260 --> 11:27.720 Going 11:27.720 --> 11:29.620 Also are you guys 11:29.620 --> 11:30.360 Planning on staying 11:30.360 --> 11:31.280 At the Hotel Pennsylvania 11:31.280 --> 11:32.940 I've never been to a conference 11:32.940 --> 11:33.680 It was just one 11:33.680 --> 11:34.740 Looking for some hints 11:34.740 --> 11:35.640 On what to expect 11:35.640 --> 11:36.160 And everything 11:36.160 --> 11:37.460 Again thanks for doing 11:37.460 --> 11:37.900 What you do 11:37.900 --> 11:38.960 Keep up the good work 11:38.960 --> 11:39.620 P.S. 11:39.620 --> 11:40.340 I downloaded the 11:40.340 --> 11:41.460 Distributed.net program 11:41.460 --> 11:42.600 But never received 11:42.600 --> 11:43.920 A welcome email 11:43.920 --> 11:45.980 And actually you won't 11:45.980 --> 11:46.940 Just as a side note 11:46.940 --> 11:47.240 To that 11:47.240 --> 11:48.380 You won't receive 11:48.380 --> 11:49.240 A welcome email 11:49.240 --> 11:49.840 Whatever email 11:49.840 --> 11:50.880 You registered with 11:50.880 --> 11:51.740 Go to 11:51.740 --> 11:52.520 Distributed.net 11:52.520 --> 11:53.100 And do a search 11:53.100 --> 11:53.860 For yourself 11:53.860 --> 11:55.080 And you will find 11:55.080 --> 11:55.900 Yourself in the stats 11:55.900 --> 11:56.460 A couple days 11:56.460 --> 11:57.220 After you've uploaded 11:57.220 --> 11:59.200 And you can go to a page 11:59.200 --> 11:59.980 Where you set up 11:59.980 --> 12:00.780 Your account 12:00.780 --> 12:01.940 Of whether you want email 12:01.940 --> 12:02.500 You can have them 12:02.500 --> 12:03.220 Send you an email 12:03.220 --> 12:03.880 With password 12:03.880 --> 12:04.800 At yada yada yada 12:04.800 --> 12:05.420 So it's not going to 12:05.420 --> 12:06.280 Automatically send you 12:06.280 --> 12:06.700 Anything 12:06.700 --> 12:08.940 Because the potential is 12:08.940 --> 12:10.480 You could spam people 12:10.480 --> 12:11.560 By setting up accounts 12:11.560 --> 12:12.260 With fake emails 12:12.260 --> 12:13.360 But we won't go into that 12:13.360 --> 12:14.980 So thanks a lot 12:14.980 --> 12:15.540 And take care 12:15.540 --> 12:16.220 He says 12:16.220 --> 12:16.640 And I 12:16.640 --> 12:17.640 First of all 12:17.640 --> 12:18.480 Thank you very much 12:18.480 --> 12:19.280 For the kind words 12:19.280 --> 12:20.260 I love 12:20.260 --> 12:21.780 Hearing from new listeners 12:21.780 --> 12:22.500 I'm glad that 12:22.500 --> 12:23.200 Word on the show 12:23.200 --> 12:24.220 Is spreading out there 12:24.220 --> 12:25.260 Every time we get 12:25.260 --> 12:25.760 New listeners 12:25.760 --> 12:26.220 Or an email 12:26.220 --> 12:26.900 From a new listener 12:26.900 --> 12:28.660 I enjoy it very much 12:28.660 --> 12:30.700 And on behalf of 12:30.700 --> 12:32.080 Dual and everybody else 12:32.080 --> 12:33.100 Thank you for listening 12:33.100 --> 12:34.300 I hope we can keep 12:34.300 --> 12:35.980 Bringing you good information 12:35.980 --> 12:36.580 And information 12:36.580 --> 12:37.700 And entertainment 12:37.700 --> 12:38.540 I hope a little bit 12:38.540 --> 12:39.180 In there as well 12:39.180 --> 12:40.820 Now as far as 12:40.820 --> 12:41.800 Hope 5 12:41.800 --> 12:43.160 The 5th hope 12:43.160 --> 12:44.220 H2K4 12:44.220 --> 12:45.140 Whatever it's called 12:45.140 --> 12:45.780 Hope 5 12:45.780 --> 12:46.800 I'm going with for now 12:46.800 --> 12:49.020 We don't have final plans 12:49.020 --> 12:50.340 We don't know for sure 12:50.340 --> 12:51.020 What we're doing 12:51.020 --> 12:51.680 Because it is still 12:51.680 --> 12:52.680 A little ways off 12:52.680 --> 12:53.900 But we are 12:53.900 --> 12:55.160 Talking about it now 12:55.160 --> 12:55.780 And organizing 12:55.780 --> 12:56.900 What we're going to do 12:56.900 --> 12:57.280 We don't know 12:57.280 --> 12:57.900 If we're going to be 12:57.900 --> 12:59.000 Doing any kind of 12:59.000 --> 12:59.840 Special events 12:59.840 --> 13:00.840 Bring magazines 13:00.840 --> 13:01.500 I assume we'll try 13:01.500 --> 13:02.200 To bring some magazines 13:02.200 --> 13:03.420 To pimp them there 13:03.420 --> 13:04.140 Presentations 13:04.140 --> 13:04.860 I don't know what all 13:04.860 --> 13:05.420 We're going to be doing 13:05.420 --> 13:06.000 Exactly 13:06.000 --> 13:07.100 But it looks like 13:07.100 --> 13:08.200 All DDP members 13:08.200 --> 13:08.520 Are going 13:08.520 --> 13:09.100 All 8 of us 13:09.100 --> 13:10.320 Will probably be there 13:10.320 --> 13:10.920 If we can at all 13:10.920 --> 13:11.400 Help it 13:11.400 --> 13:14.080 But not only us 13:14.080 --> 13:15.360 But several members 13:15.360 --> 13:16.000 Of the forums 13:16.000 --> 13:17.140 Everybody in the doghouse 13:17.140 --> 13:17.440 Has been 13:17.440 --> 13:18.800 There's been 2 or 3 threads 13:18.800 --> 13:20.140 Of people saying 13:20.140 --> 13:21.060 That they're going to 13:21.060 --> 13:22.060 Probably go as well 13:22.060 --> 13:22.500 So there's going to be 13:22.500 --> 13:23.120 A lot of people 13:23.120 --> 13:23.700 That we know 13:23.700 --> 13:24.720 And recognize there 13:24.720 --> 13:26.100 So you can definitely 13:26.100 --> 13:26.760 Keep an eye out 13:26.760 --> 13:27.340 And I'm sure you'll 13:27.340 --> 13:28.480 Bump into somebody there 13:28.480 --> 13:30.120 But I do have to admit 13:30.120 --> 13:30.600 Personally 13:30.600 --> 13:32.020 I've never been to 13:32.020 --> 13:32.720 A conference either 13:32.720 --> 13:33.540 And we talked about 13:33.540 --> 13:33.940 That before 13:33.940 --> 13:34.920 So Rax 13:34.920 --> 13:35.880 I'm going to defer this 13:35.880 --> 13:36.380 To you 13:36.380 --> 13:37.300 To kind of talk about 13:37.300 --> 13:38.400 The atmosphere in general 13:38.400 --> 13:40.380 And kind of what to expect 13:40.380 --> 13:41.680 For someone going 13:41.680 --> 13:42.920 For their first time 13:42.920 --> 13:43.740 Okay 13:43.740 --> 13:44.120 Well 13:44.120 --> 13:45.980 I'm reminded of 13:45.980 --> 13:47.600 Abdul actually pointed this out 13:47.600 --> 13:48.380 He found the article 13:48.380 --> 13:49.920 There was a columnist 13:49.920 --> 13:51.060 By the name of Dave Barry 13:51.060 --> 13:53.040 Who's a well known 13:53.040 --> 13:54.020 Newspaper columnist 13:54.020 --> 13:54.300 Or whatever 13:54.300 --> 13:55.820 Kind of humor columnist 13:55.820 --> 13:56.400 Or humorist 13:56.400 --> 13:56.740 Or whatever 13:56.740 --> 13:58.020 But he was talking about 13:58.020 --> 13:58.860 Hotel Pennsylvania 13:58.860 --> 13:59.900 And how bad it was 13:59.900 --> 14:01.900 And that the mattresses 14:01.900 --> 14:02.700 Felt like they were 14:02.700 --> 14:04.080 Filled with dead squid 14:04.080 --> 14:05.240 And all this other stuff 14:05.240 --> 14:07.840 And he really wasn't 14:07.840 --> 14:09.180 He really wasn't 14:09.180 --> 14:10.720 Why a kid was 14:10.720 --> 14:11.780 As long as it doesn't 14:11.780 --> 14:12.960 Smell like dead squid 14:12.960 --> 14:14.600 It was a pretty 14:14.600 --> 14:15.200 It was a pretty 14:15.200 --> 14:16.220 Wild experience 14:16.220 --> 14:16.660 First of all 14:16.660 --> 14:17.520 This hotel Pennsylvania 14:17.520 --> 14:18.860 Is right downtown Manhattan 14:18.860 --> 14:19.560 Right across from 14:19.560 --> 14:20.420 Madison Square Garden 14:20.420 --> 14:22.140 And you might want to 14:22.140 --> 14:22.740 Ask your parents 14:22.740 --> 14:23.300 Or your grandparents 14:23.300 --> 14:23.860 About this 14:23.860 --> 14:24.460 But there was a song 14:24.460 --> 14:25.140 Called Pennsylvania 14:25.140 --> 14:26.080 65000 14:26.080 --> 14:27.840 Like the big band era 14:27.840 --> 14:28.240 Sure 14:28.240 --> 14:28.840 Well that was about 14:28.840 --> 14:29.360 This hotel 14:29.360 --> 14:31.020 And they had their own 14:31.020 --> 14:31.720 You know exchange 14:31.720 --> 14:32.020 It was 14:32.020 --> 14:33.320 They used to dial 14:33.320 --> 14:33.740 On phones 14:33.740 --> 14:34.660 You like dial PE 14:34.660 --> 14:35.400 Look up whatever 14:35.400 --> 14:36.020 Those are 14:36.020 --> 14:36.500 And then dial 14:36.500 --> 14:37.040 The rest of the number 14:37.040 --> 14:37.320 So it was 14:37.320 --> 14:38.500 Pennsylvania 65000 14:38.500 --> 14:39.460 Well that's still 14:39.460 --> 14:39.980 The number 14:39.980 --> 14:41.080 For this hotel 14:41.080 --> 14:41.640 Pennsylvania 14:41.640 --> 14:43.180 So it was 14:43.180 --> 14:43.500 You know 14:43.500 --> 14:44.300 A big huge thing 14:44.300 --> 14:44.700 And whatever 14:44.700 --> 14:45.960 But that was 14:45.960 --> 14:46.760 Probably like 14:46.760 --> 14:47.800 Back in the big band era 14:47.800 --> 14:48.260 It's 14:48.260 --> 14:50.140 I won't say it's a dive 14:50.140 --> 14:50.680 But it's 14:50.680 --> 14:52.660 I've stayed in better 14:52.660 --> 14:53.200 Okay 14:53.200 --> 14:54.500 I'm not talking 14:54.500 --> 14:55.160 Five star 14:55.160 --> 14:55.700 Four star 14:55.700 --> 14:56.280 Three star 14:56.280 --> 14:58.020 I've stayed in better 14:58.020 --> 14:58.520 You know 14:58.520 --> 14:59.660 Motel 6 14:59.660 --> 15:00.960 Oh really 15:00.960 --> 15:01.700 It was not 15:01.700 --> 15:02.180 You know 15:02.180 --> 15:03.280 So don't go there 15:03.280 --> 15:03.840 Looking for 15:03.840 --> 15:04.200 You know 15:04.200 --> 15:05.340 A huge experience 15:05.340 --> 15:05.900 In the hotel 15:05.900 --> 15:07.820 But the atmosphere 15:07.820 --> 15:08.540 Of the conference 15:08.540 --> 15:09.480 Is phenomenal 15:09.480 --> 15:12.140 There's people there 15:12.140 --> 15:12.860 I mean you've got 15:12.860 --> 15:13.960 Anytime you go to 15:13.960 --> 15:14.820 Any one of these conferences 15:14.820 --> 15:15.900 There are 2600 meetings 15:15.900 --> 15:17.040 And it's really interesting 15:17.040 --> 15:18.060 Just to people watch 15:18.060 --> 15:19.700 And see the diverse 15:19.700 --> 15:20.420 Group of people 15:20.420 --> 15:20.980 That are there 15:20.980 --> 15:21.720 I mean you literally 15:21.720 --> 15:23.060 Have the pasty face 15:23.060 --> 15:25.120 Geek wannabes 15:25.120 --> 15:25.360 You know 15:25.360 --> 15:26.440 With the spiked 15:26.440 --> 15:27.880 Green mohawk hair 15:27.880 --> 15:28.520 And you know 15:28.520 --> 15:29.520 Black leather 15:29.520 --> 15:30.040 Everything 15:30.040 --> 15:32.080 To you know 15:32.080 --> 15:33.040 To the feds 15:33.040 --> 15:35.000 To you know 15:35.000 --> 15:35.780 Young kids 15:35.780 --> 15:36.320 I mean there was 15:36.320 --> 15:36.980 There were some kids 15:36.980 --> 15:38.220 There was about 14 15:38.220 --> 15:39.580 Their moms or dads 15:39.580 --> 15:40.680 Were kind of with them 15:40.680 --> 15:41.060 But you know 15:41.060 --> 15:42.000 Sitting off a far enough 15:42.000 --> 15:42.720 Distance away 15:42.720 --> 15:44.080 And it's a really 15:44.080 --> 15:44.620 Interesting 15:44.620 --> 15:45.620 Really diverse 15:45.620 --> 15:46.440 Group of people 15:46.440 --> 15:47.380 That you'll meet there 15:47.380 --> 15:50.080 I like the fact 15:50.080 --> 15:50.520 By the way 15:50.520 --> 15:51.500 That the kid would be 15:51.500 --> 15:51.680 There 15:51.680 --> 15:52.460 Their parents would come 15:52.460 --> 15:53.240 I think that's great 15:53.240 --> 15:54.160 I really like that 15:54.160 --> 15:54.380 Yeah 15:54.380 --> 15:54.980 I mean we even had 15:54.980 --> 15:56.260 That at our 2600 15:56.260 --> 15:57.180 Meeting here in Phoenix 15:57.180 --> 15:57.940 Is that 15:57.940 --> 15:58.500 You know 15:58.500 --> 15:59.080 Some kid came 15:59.080 --> 16:00.460 And his folks 16:00.460 --> 16:01.420 Were into it 16:01.420 --> 16:02.040 I ended up talking 16:02.040 --> 16:02.620 To him later 16:02.620 --> 16:03.920 Like the dad 16:03.920 --> 16:05.120 Worked for Intel 16:05.120 --> 16:06.080 So they were 16:06.080 --> 16:06.920 And he was kind of 16:06.920 --> 16:07.380 Interested in the 16:07.380 --> 16:08.160 Presentation that I was 16:08.160 --> 16:08.580 Doing too 16:08.580 --> 16:08.940 But anyway 16:08.940 --> 16:09.740 That's another story 16:09.740 --> 16:10.880 But yeah 16:10.880 --> 16:11.380 It's cool 16:11.380 --> 16:11.680 You know 16:11.680 --> 16:12.980 So rather than 16:12.980 --> 16:13.420 You know 16:13.420 --> 16:14.140 Just the knee jerk 16:14.140 --> 16:15.060 Reaction that some 16:15.060 --> 16:15.860 Parents may have 16:15.860 --> 16:16.600 Oh it's all bad 16:16.600 --> 16:17.220 And whatever else 16:17.220 --> 16:17.560 And that 16:17.560 --> 16:18.020 Right 16:18.020 --> 16:19.060 To have an open 16:19.060 --> 16:19.660 Mind about it 16:19.660 --> 16:22.900 But the conferences 16:22.900 --> 16:25.000 It was huge 16:25.000 --> 16:25.900 The second floor 16:25.900 --> 16:27.740 They had the whole 16:27.740 --> 16:29.180 Retro computing area 16:29.180 --> 16:29.560 And all that 16:29.560 --> 16:29.880 Matter of fact 16:29.880 --> 16:31.260 If you go to 16:31.260 --> 16:33.400 Oldschoolfreak.com 16:33.400 --> 16:34.660 And forget whatever 16:34.660 --> 16:35.220 Section there 16:35.220 --> 16:35.760 You'll see the 16:35.760 --> 16:36.660 Little video 16:36.660 --> 16:37.660 Dual and racks 16:37.660 --> 16:38.760 Do H2K2 16:38.760 --> 16:39.620 And you can kind of 16:39.620 --> 16:40.220 Get a little feel 16:40.220 --> 16:41.620 About what things 16:41.620 --> 16:42.140 Were like there 16:42.140 --> 16:43.880 Lots of people 16:43.880 --> 16:44.720 Very crowded 16:44.720 --> 16:46.380 It'll probably be 16:46.380 --> 16:47.640 Even larger this time 16:47.640 --> 16:49.380 So you know 16:49.380 --> 16:50.260 You have to be 16:50.260 --> 16:50.900 A little bit patient 16:50.900 --> 16:51.460 With people 16:51.460 --> 16:53.040 You may not be able 16:53.040 --> 16:53.660 To get in to see 16:53.660 --> 16:54.260 Everything that you 16:54.260 --> 16:54.880 Want to see 16:54.880 --> 16:55.680 Again because 16:55.680 --> 16:56.620 Just the nature 16:56.620 --> 16:57.140 Of these things 16:57.140 --> 16:57.860 Is such that 16:57.860 --> 16:58.460 You know 16:58.460 --> 16:58.840 More and more 16:58.840 --> 16:59.320 People come 16:59.320 --> 16:59.800 They tell their 16:59.800 --> 17:00.100 Friends 17:00.100 --> 17:00.700 Oh what a good 17:00.700 --> 17:01.160 Time it was 17:01.160 --> 17:01.680 And they bring 17:01.680 --> 17:02.140 More people 17:02.140 --> 17:03.420 So it may 17:03.420 --> 17:04.400 Be hard to get 17:04.400 --> 17:04.840 In to see 17:04.840 --> 17:05.440 Some of the stuff 17:05.440 --> 17:06.740 It's definitely 17:06.740 --> 17:07.380 Worth it 17:07.380 --> 17:09.060 The quality 17:09.060 --> 17:09.840 Of the presentations 17:09.840 --> 17:10.720 Vary because 17:10.720 --> 17:11.040 You know 17:11.040 --> 17:11.660 Hey anyone can 17:11.660 --> 17:12.480 Volunteer to 17:12.480 --> 17:14.100 Make a proposal 17:14.100 --> 17:15.060 For doing a presentation 17:15.060 --> 17:16.840 Some were very good 17:16.840 --> 17:18.100 Some were outstanding 17:18.100 --> 17:19.600 Some were really 17:19.600 --> 17:20.080 Mediocre 17:20.080 --> 17:21.180 But you know 17:21.180 --> 17:22.040 Hey what can you say 17:22.040 --> 17:22.440 It's all 17:22.440 --> 17:22.860 You know 17:22.860 --> 17:23.240 And it's all 17:23.240 --> 17:23.740 What's interesting 17:23.740 --> 17:24.040 To you 17:24.040 --> 17:24.860 Like low powered 17:24.860 --> 17:25.300 FM 17:25.300 --> 17:26.480 You know 17:26.480 --> 17:27.700 Pirate radio station 17:27.700 --> 17:28.100 Kind of thing 17:28.100 --> 17:29.280 Wasn't really my cup of tea 17:29.280 --> 17:30.420 Dual got off on it 17:30.420 --> 17:30.680 You know 17:30.680 --> 17:31.720 So it's 17:31.720 --> 17:32.680 There's really 17:32.680 --> 17:33.240 A lot of stuff 17:33.240 --> 17:33.700 Going on 17:33.700 --> 17:35.000 They had two rooms 17:35.000 --> 17:35.680 I think going on 17:35.680 --> 17:36.320 Simultaneously 17:36.320 --> 17:38.860 And I made the 17:38.860 --> 17:40.040 I won't say it's a mistake 17:40.040 --> 17:41.440 But I volunteered 17:41.440 --> 17:43.560 To work on the video crew 17:43.560 --> 17:44.640 Last time 17:44.640 --> 17:45.700 And I got to see 17:45.700 --> 17:46.300 Pretty much everything 17:46.300 --> 17:46.820 That was going on 17:46.820 --> 17:47.800 In the big room 17:47.800 --> 17:49.260 But I didn't get much 17:49.260 --> 17:50.820 Didn't get to go out 17:50.820 --> 17:51.400 Much and see much 17:51.400 --> 17:51.880 Of the city 17:51.880 --> 17:53.400 Or see what's going on 17:53.400 --> 17:53.980 In the other rooms 17:53.980 --> 17:54.460 And all that 17:54.460 --> 17:56.180 But if you're inclined 17:56.180 --> 17:56.980 To volunteer 17:56.980 --> 17:58.960 I'm sure Emanuel 17:58.960 --> 17:59.740 Will put out a call 17:59.740 --> 18:00.880 For volunteers as well 18:00.880 --> 18:03.380 It's a lot of fun 18:03.380 --> 18:04.400 It was a lot of work 18:04.400 --> 18:04.880 For me as well 18:04.880 --> 18:05.440 But it can be a lot 18:05.440 --> 18:06.020 Of fun as well 18:06.020 --> 18:08.540 Well in regards 18:08.540 --> 18:09.360 To the hotel 18:09.360 --> 18:10.480 Are there other 18:10.480 --> 18:11.780 Options for hotels 18:11.780 --> 18:12.320 Nearby 18:12.320 --> 18:13.260 Walking distance 18:13.260 --> 18:14.780 There probably are 18:14.780 --> 18:16.140 I mean you know 18:16.140 --> 18:16.980 It's downtown Manhattan 18:16.980 --> 18:17.860 I wouldn't expect you 18:17.860 --> 18:18.640 To know them offhand 18:18.640 --> 18:19.520 But that's probably 18:19.520 --> 18:20.300 An option right 18:20.300 --> 18:21.520 That's probably an option 18:21.520 --> 18:23.540 My opinion though 18:23.540 --> 18:24.180 Always with going 18:24.180 --> 18:24.700 To those things 18:24.700 --> 18:25.760 I mean this is actually 18:25.760 --> 18:26.540 I think it's better 18:26.540 --> 18:27.580 To stay in the conference hotel 18:27.580 --> 18:28.700 Because you know 18:28.700 --> 18:29.900 You go and you do the thing 18:29.900 --> 18:31.160 They have like videos 18:31.160 --> 18:32.000 Showing at night 18:32.000 --> 18:33.060 You know they're playing 18:33.060 --> 18:34.100 All these hacker videos 18:34.100 --> 18:34.520 And stuff 18:34.520 --> 18:35.280 And freedom downtime 18:35.280 --> 18:36.020 And you know 18:36.020 --> 18:37.140 All these other little 18:37.140 --> 18:38.120 Documentary things 18:38.120 --> 18:38.600 And all that 18:38.600 --> 18:39.560 That get played at night 18:39.560 --> 18:40.380 You know so some 18:40.380 --> 18:40.740 Of the stuff 18:40.740 --> 18:41.360 Is going on 18:41.360 --> 18:41.840 To like you know 18:41.840 --> 18:42.540 2, 3 in the morning 18:42.540 --> 18:43.580 That you can go crash 18:43.580 --> 18:45.140 Also the other good news 18:45.140 --> 18:45.840 Is that it doesn't 18:45.840 --> 18:46.320 You know it doesn't 18:46.320 --> 18:46.820 Start out like 18:46.820 --> 18:47.600 At 7 o'clock 18:47.600 --> 18:48.720 It's like 9 o'clock 18:48.720 --> 18:49.300 Or 10 o'clock 18:49.300 --> 18:49.680 Or whatever 18:49.680 --> 18:50.980 Because you know 18:50.980 --> 18:51.820 Everyone's up all night 18:51.820 --> 18:52.360 You know 18:52.360 --> 18:53.400 Hacking, drinking 18:53.400 --> 18:54.440 Partying, doing whatever 18:54.440 --> 18:55.920 And they don't want to 18:55.920 --> 18:56.680 Get started too early 18:56.680 --> 18:57.100 In the morning 18:57.100 --> 18:59.100 But there will definitely 18:59.100 --> 19:00.000 Be some other hotels 19:00.000 --> 19:00.460 Around 19:00.460 --> 19:01.920 You know 19:01.920 --> 19:02.500 There will be 19:02.500 --> 19:03.280 Manhattan in the summer 19:03.280 --> 19:04.020 I don't guarantee 19:04.020 --> 19:05.020 What price 19:05.020 --> 19:05.560 I think it was 19:05.560 --> 19:06.280 I think it was like 19:06.280 --> 19:07.320 75 bucks a night 19:07.320 --> 19:08.420 For the hotel 19:08.420 --> 19:09.380 As well 19:09.380 --> 19:10.500 It was the conference special 19:10.500 --> 19:12.860 So if anyone's out there 19:12.860 --> 19:14.080 Is interested in going 19:14.080 --> 19:15.380 Keep an eye on 19:15.380 --> 19:16.940 2600.com 19:16.940 --> 19:18.160 And my suggestion 19:18.160 --> 19:18.860 To you would be 19:18.860 --> 19:20.320 If you plan on going 19:20.320 --> 19:21.780 Register as soon as 19:21.780 --> 19:22.740 They put the info out 19:22.740 --> 19:25.020 Yeah 19:25.020 --> 19:26.520 I think that's exactly 19:26.520 --> 19:27.520 What I'm going to do 19:27.520 --> 19:29.180 And we got to talk about 19:29.180 --> 19:30.040 Like I said earlier 19:30.040 --> 19:30.800 We haven't worked out 19:30.800 --> 19:31.340 Our logistics 19:31.340 --> 19:32.420 Maybe trying to get 19:32.420 --> 19:33.840 A couple of joining rooms 19:33.840 --> 19:34.580 Yeah that'd be cool 19:34.580 --> 19:35.500 Something like that 19:35.500 --> 19:37.820 And splitting some rooms 19:37.820 --> 19:39.240 Trying to eat up the cost 19:39.240 --> 19:40.380 As best we can 19:40.380 --> 19:41.280 Now I don't know 19:41.280 --> 19:41.780 If they had 19:41.780 --> 19:42.700 The rooms were actually 19:42.700 --> 19:43.360 Pretty large 19:43.360 --> 19:44.620 We had dual beds 19:44.620 --> 19:46.000 But I don't know 19:46.000 --> 19:46.760 If they let 19:46.760 --> 19:47.000 You know 19:47.000 --> 19:47.840 If you can have more people 19:47.840 --> 19:48.740 Crashing in the room 19:48.740 --> 19:49.060 Than 19:49.060 --> 19:50.120 I don't know 19:50.120 --> 19:50.560 If you can just like 19:50.560 --> 19:51.400 Bring a sleeping bag 19:51.400 --> 19:52.680 And crash on the floor 19:52.680 --> 19:53.440 In the hotel room 19:53.440 --> 19:53.660 Or not 19:53.660 --> 19:54.260 But that'd be one thing 19:54.260 --> 19:54.840 To check into 19:54.840 --> 19:55.720 Yeah and well 19:55.720 --> 19:56.180 And what are they 19:56.180 --> 19:56.460 Going to do 19:56.460 --> 19:57.260 Police every room 19:57.260 --> 19:58.140 For something like that 19:58.140 --> 19:59.760 Yeah that's true 19:59.760 --> 20:00.320 Even how they're 20:00.320 --> 20:01.160 Really going to find out 20:01.160 --> 20:01.820 Exactly 20:01.820 --> 20:03.620 You'd have to coordinate 20:03.620 --> 20:04.020 With you know 20:04.020 --> 20:04.480 If you only get 20:04.480 --> 20:05.320 Two pass keys 20:05.320 --> 20:05.840 For the room 20:05.840 --> 20:06.280 You know 20:06.280 --> 20:07.160 The card key things 20:07.160 --> 20:07.840 You'd have to coordinate 20:07.840 --> 20:08.840 With someone else 20:08.840 --> 20:09.340 Right 20:09.340 --> 20:11.300 But I'm sure 20:11.300 --> 20:12.080 Something like that 20:12.080 --> 20:13.300 Could be worked out 20:13.300 --> 20:14.760 See and it also 20:14.760 --> 20:15.640 Varies too 20:15.640 --> 20:15.940 Like 20:15.940 --> 20:17.420 Stank you're just 20:17.420 --> 20:17.840 Going to have to 20:17.840 --> 20:18.800 Like fly up the coast 20:18.800 --> 20:19.400 Me I'm going to have 20:19.400 --> 20:20.300 To fly from Arizona 20:20.300 --> 20:20.980 So that's like a 20:20.980 --> 20:21.600 You know 20:21.600 --> 20:22.680 Five and a half hour flight 20:22.680 --> 20:24.260 So you know 20:24.260 --> 20:25.540 That's a little bit 20:25.540 --> 20:26.120 Bigger issue 20:26.120 --> 20:27.080 Dollar wise 20:27.080 --> 20:28.040 Believe it or not 20:28.040 --> 20:28.720 It's probably going to be 20:28.720 --> 20:29.740 A good length flight 20:29.740 --> 20:30.500 For me also 20:30.500 --> 20:32.060 Being so far south 20:32.060 --> 20:33.580 But yeah 20:33.580 --> 20:34.260 I've already kind of 20:34.260 --> 20:35.240 Talked to a couple guys 20:35.240 --> 20:36.360 Decoder and Epiphany 20:36.360 --> 20:37.260 And stuff like that 20:37.260 --> 20:38.800 About finding some place 20:38.800 --> 20:39.360 To meet up 20:39.360 --> 20:40.320 And possibly meeting 20:40.320 --> 20:40.840 At the airport 20:40.840 --> 20:41.880 Or something like that 20:41.880 --> 20:42.560 Yeah 20:42.560 --> 20:43.860 So working out 20:43.860 --> 20:44.780 Some of those logistics 20:44.780 --> 20:45.780 As we speak 20:45.780 --> 20:46.820 But see at the same time 20:46.820 --> 20:48.540 So is 2600 20:48.540 --> 20:49.700 They haven't announced 20:49.700 --> 20:50.500 The show special 20:50.500 --> 20:51.300 Or rates 20:51.300 --> 20:52.080 Special rates 20:52.080 --> 20:52.560 Right 20:52.560 --> 20:53.820 And all that kind of 20:53.820 --> 20:54.220 Good stuff 20:54.220 --> 20:55.680 So we're all working on it 20:55.680 --> 20:56.360 As we go along 20:56.360 --> 20:56.920 Yep 20:56.920 --> 20:58.200 So I hope to see 20:58.200 --> 20:58.740 Everybody there 20:58.740 --> 21:01.240 Now we have 21:01.240 --> 21:02.200 Another email 21:02.200 --> 21:02.700 We had a lot of 21:02.700 --> 21:03.520 Good feedback this time 21:03.520 --> 21:04.840 I like getting feedback 21:04.840 --> 21:06.380 It gives me a lot 21:06.380 --> 21:06.960 Of good stuff 21:06.960 --> 21:08.420 I got another email 21:08.420 --> 21:09.220 From our good friend 21:09.220 --> 21:09.920 Pixel Fiend 21:09.920 --> 21:10.860 He followed up 21:10.860 --> 21:12.960 On last episode 21:12.960 --> 21:13.660 We had 21:13.660 --> 21:14.340 We talked about 21:14.340 --> 21:14.940 An article 21:14.940 --> 21:16.400 And I'm not sure 21:16.400 --> 21:17.160 If you've caught up 21:17.160 --> 21:17.960 To the last episode 21:17.960 --> 21:18.240 Or not 21:18.240 --> 21:18.640 But I'll give you 21:18.640 --> 21:19.240 The short version 21:19.240 --> 21:20.140 There was an article 21:20.140 --> 21:22.140 From the Associated Press 21:22.140 --> 21:23.200 I saw it in my paper 21:23.200 --> 21:24.160 About 21:24.160 --> 21:26.260 Well the very short version 21:26.260 --> 21:27.540 Is how 21:27.540 --> 21:29.580 Internet mapping services 21:29.580 --> 21:30.520 Could be used 21:30.520 --> 21:31.620 For bad things 21:31.620 --> 21:33.420 And there was 21:33.420 --> 21:34.100 One young lady 21:34.100 --> 21:34.600 They interviewed 21:34.600 --> 21:34.980 In there 21:34.980 --> 21:35.740 Who was just 21:35.740 --> 21:36.380 Shocked 21:36.380 --> 21:37.260 And dumbfounded 21:37.260 --> 21:38.040 That her personal 21:38.040 --> 21:38.580 Information 21:38.580 --> 21:39.260 Like address 21:39.260 --> 21:39.980 And phone number 21:39.980 --> 21:40.840 Was available 21:40.840 --> 21:41.500 On the internet 21:41.500 --> 21:42.900 We talked about 21:42.900 --> 21:44.920 How silly 21:44.920 --> 21:45.660 That might be 21:45.660 --> 21:46.480 That in this day 21:46.480 --> 21:46.820 And age 21:46.820 --> 21:47.680 Somebody is surprised 21:47.680 --> 21:48.520 By such a thing 21:48.520 --> 21:48.920 But 21:48.920 --> 21:51.000 He goes on 21:51.000 --> 21:51.880 To remind us 21:51.880 --> 21:52.160 That 21:52.160 --> 21:53.740 Not only that 21:53.740 --> 21:54.360 But she'd probably 21:54.360 --> 21:55.180 Have a heart attack 21:55.180 --> 21:56.100 If she realized 21:56.100 --> 21:57.520 The satellite photography 21:57.520 --> 21:59.240 That's also available 21:59.240 --> 21:59.680 On there 21:59.680 --> 22:00.400 On some of the 22:00.400 --> 22:01.120 Mapping sites 22:01.120 --> 22:01.940 That can actually 22:01.940 --> 22:02.560 Pinpoint 22:02.560 --> 22:03.640 Give you precise 22:03.640 --> 22:04.760 Details and photographs 22:04.760 --> 22:06.440 Of your backyard 22:06.440 --> 22:07.540 Including the objects 22:07.540 --> 22:08.380 Like a picnic table 22:08.380 --> 22:09.040 Or anything else 22:09.040 --> 22:09.920 That may be out there 22:09.920 --> 22:10.800 Hey you may have been 22:10.800 --> 22:11.100 Out there 22:11.100 --> 22:11.980 When they took the picture 22:11.980 --> 22:12.800 For all you know 22:12.800 --> 22:13.800 And laying in your backyard 22:13.800 --> 22:14.540 Working on your tan 22:14.540 --> 22:15.320 Exactly 22:15.320 --> 22:16.200 A natural 22:16.200 --> 22:18.460 Hopefully not 22:18.460 --> 22:20.240 So yeah 22:20.240 --> 22:20.900 Luckily 22:20.900 --> 22:21.640 See I'm sure 22:21.640 --> 22:22.640 The author probably 22:22.640 --> 22:23.520 Intentionally 22:23.520 --> 22:24.380 Left that out 22:24.380 --> 22:25.640 For you know 22:25.640 --> 22:26.380 Didn't want to scare 22:26.380 --> 22:26.920 The poor girl 22:26.920 --> 22:27.760 I'm sure that's 22:27.760 --> 22:28.660 I'm sure that's 22:28.660 --> 22:29.400 Probably the reason 22:29.400 --> 22:29.920 She did it 22:29.920 --> 22:30.980 I'm sure of that 22:30.980 --> 22:31.500 Right 22:31.500 --> 22:31.960 Right 22:31.960 --> 22:33.760 I actually remember 22:33.760 --> 22:34.760 A story last 22:34.760 --> 22:35.320 I think it was 22:35.320 --> 22:35.920 Last summer 22:35.920 --> 22:36.880 About 22:36.880 --> 22:38.320 Some guy 22:38.320 --> 22:38.520 You know 22:38.520 --> 22:38.900 Got dumped 22:38.900 --> 22:39.540 By his girlfriend 22:39.540 --> 22:40.140 Or whatever 22:40.140 --> 22:41.420 And he went to 22:41.420 --> 22:42.460 This is even 22:42.460 --> 22:43.020 More scary 22:43.020 --> 22:44.120 But he went to 22:44.120 --> 22:44.400 You know 22:44.400 --> 22:44.820 One of those 22:44.820 --> 22:45.780 Online find your 22:45.780 --> 22:46.380 Long lost 22:46.380 --> 22:46.900 You know 22:46.900 --> 22:48.060 Adopted father 22:48.060 --> 22:48.500 Or whatever 22:48.500 --> 22:49.060 Kind of sites 22:49.060 --> 22:49.540 Right 22:49.540 --> 22:50.420 And you know 22:50.420 --> 22:50.940 Paid like the 22:50.940 --> 22:51.400 20 bucks 22:51.400 --> 22:51.740 Or whatever 22:51.740 --> 22:52.640 Got the information 22:52.640 --> 22:53.440 About where this 22:53.440 --> 22:54.640 Girl was living 22:54.640 --> 22:55.900 You know 22:55.900 --> 22:56.480 Paid you know 22:56.480 --> 22:57.080 Like 20 bucks 22:57.080 --> 22:57.720 Or something like that 22:57.720 --> 22:58.060 And then 22:58.060 --> 22:59.880 Got some information 22:59.880 --> 23:00.220 About that 23:00.220 --> 23:01.180 Contacted her there 23:01.180 --> 23:01.800 She changed her 23:01.800 --> 23:02.060 Phone number 23:02.060 --> 23:02.680 Then he you know 23:02.680 --> 23:03.160 Went back 23:03.160 --> 23:04.340 Paid more money 23:04.340 --> 23:06.200 To this place 23:06.200 --> 23:07.500 To you know 23:07.500 --> 23:07.960 Do some more 23:07.960 --> 23:08.300 Searching 23:08.300 --> 23:08.680 Find out where 23:08.680 --> 23:09.200 She worked 23:09.200 --> 23:10.780 And in part of it 23:10.780 --> 23:11.520 And this is interesting 23:11.520 --> 23:13.300 And I think that 23:13.300 --> 23:14.740 It's a little bit 23:14.740 --> 23:15.500 Of social engineering 23:15.500 --> 23:16.320 But this you know 23:16.320 --> 23:16.980 Quote unquote 23:16.980 --> 23:18.580 Detective agency 23:18.580 --> 23:19.560 Online or whatever 23:19.560 --> 23:20.520 You want to call it 23:20.520 --> 23:21.920 Had there was 23:21.920 --> 23:22.620 Some other gal 23:22.620 --> 23:24.080 That posed as 23:24.080 --> 23:24.440 You know 23:24.440 --> 23:24.900 Someone from 23:24.900 --> 23:27.500 The victim's bank 23:27.500 --> 23:28.300 This woman 23:28.300 --> 23:29.200 That was being stalked 23:29.200 --> 23:30.960 So the 23:30.960 --> 23:32.740 Online web company 23:32.740 --> 23:34.780 Had a 23:34.780 --> 23:36.260 Subcontractor 23:36.260 --> 23:37.180 Had some other 23:37.180 --> 23:38.280 Person 23:38.280 --> 23:38.680 A woman 23:38.680 --> 23:39.320 We can talk about 23:39.320 --> 23:39.840 That in a second 23:39.840 --> 23:40.640 Call 23:40.640 --> 23:41.200 Do a little bit 23:41.200 --> 23:42.080 Of social engineering 23:42.080 --> 23:43.060 To find out where 23:43.060 --> 23:45.140 The victim 23:45.140 --> 23:46.000 Worked at 23:46.000 --> 23:47.860 And the 23:47.860 --> 23:49.580 The wacko 23:49.580 --> 23:50.260 Ex-boyfriend 23:50.260 --> 23:51.080 Slash stalker 23:51.080 --> 23:51.300 You know 23:51.300 --> 23:51.760 Paid for all 23:51.760 --> 23:52.620 And totally 23:52.620 --> 23:53.220 Paid you know 23:53.220 --> 23:53.560 Like about 23:53.560 --> 23:54.160 90 bucks 23:54.160 --> 23:54.460 Or something 23:54.460 --> 23:54.820 To get all 23:54.820 --> 23:55.440 This information 23:55.440 --> 23:56.860 Shows a better 23:56.860 --> 23:57.540 Place of work 23:57.540 --> 23:58.480 Blows her away 23:58.480 --> 23:58.900 Then blows 23:58.900 --> 23:59.420 His head off 23:59.420 --> 24:00.800 And the company 24:00.800 --> 24:01.540 Is saying hey 24:01.540 --> 24:02.520 We have no 24:02.520 --> 24:03.340 Responsibility 24:03.340 --> 24:04.320 We can't 24:04.320 --> 24:05.220 Be held 24:05.220 --> 24:06.140 Liable for what 24:06.140 --> 24:06.560 People do 24:06.560 --> 24:07.120 With this stuff 24:07.120 --> 24:08.340 But I mean 24:08.340 --> 24:08.780 When they're 24:08.780 --> 24:09.480 Alright let's face it 24:09.480 --> 24:10.120 I've said it before 24:10.120 --> 24:10.840 I'll say it again 24:10.840 --> 24:11.520 You know 24:11.520 --> 24:12.280 Social engineering 24:12.280 --> 24:13.280 Is a nice euphemism 24:13.280 --> 24:13.820 For lying 24:13.820 --> 24:14.480 Just like urban 24:14.480 --> 24:15.040 Explorations 24:15.040 --> 24:16.500 A nice euphemism 24:16.500 --> 24:17.640 For trespassing 24:17.640 --> 24:18.700 But when they're 24:18.700 --> 24:19.360 Going to that 24:19.360 --> 24:19.880 Extent 24:19.880 --> 24:20.680 Where they're 24:20.680 --> 24:21.040 You know 24:21.040 --> 24:21.580 Calling up 24:21.580 --> 24:22.340 Social engineering 24:22.340 --> 24:23.080 Lying to someone 24:23.080 --> 24:23.480 On the phone 24:23.480 --> 24:23.960 And they're getting 24:23.960 --> 24:24.800 That information 24:24.800 --> 24:25.940 Under false pretextes 24:25.940 --> 24:26.840 I'm sorry 24:26.840 --> 24:27.720 You know 24:27.720 --> 24:29.620 There's a dual 24:29.620 --> 24:30.180 Edged sword to 24:30.180 --> 24:30.420 Everything 24:30.420 --> 24:30.760 And I think 24:30.760 --> 24:31.100 You said it 24:31.100 --> 24:31.540 Last week 24:31.540 --> 24:33.160 To their stank 24:33.160 --> 24:33.680 That you know 24:33.680 --> 24:34.940 All this information 24:34.940 --> 24:35.500 Is a tool 24:35.500 --> 24:35.920 And it's how 24:35.920 --> 24:37.180 You choose to use it 24:37.180 --> 24:37.840 Right 24:37.840 --> 24:38.400 That matters 24:38.400 --> 24:39.800 Which is why 24:39.800 --> 24:40.420 I'm going to have 24:40.420 --> 24:41.460 To disagree with you 24:41.460 --> 24:42.640 On social engineering 24:42.640 --> 24:43.580 Being a fancy word 24:43.580 --> 24:44.100 For lying 24:44.100 --> 24:45.740 Yes 24:45.740 --> 24:46.540 There is lying 24:46.540 --> 24:47.820 Involved sometimes 24:47.820 --> 24:48.920 But not always 24:48.920 --> 24:50.260 It's not a necessity 24:50.260 --> 24:51.360 Or a requirement 24:51.360 --> 24:52.540 And I've actually 24:52.540 --> 24:53.620 Started on an article 24:53.620 --> 24:54.360 Which was going to be 24:54.360 --> 24:55.840 My next Hacking 101 article 24:55.840 --> 24:57.280 That was going to be 24:57.280 --> 24:58.200 It was entitled 24:58.200 --> 24:59.080 Social engineering 24:59.080 --> 25:00.260 But the subtitle was 25:00.260 --> 25:02.000 How to be a social engineer 25:02.000 --> 25:04.060 Without sacrificing integrity 25:04.060 --> 25:06.080 You don't have to lie 25:06.080 --> 25:07.560 Sometimes you do 25:07.560 --> 25:08.920 Sometimes you cross a line 25:08.920 --> 25:10.320 But that's all on your choice 25:10.320 --> 25:11.100 And your decision 25:11.100 --> 25:11.980 Well give me an example 25:11.980 --> 25:15.780 By proper choice of words 25:15.780 --> 25:16.380 For example 25:16.380 --> 25:17.380 You can properly 25:17.380 --> 25:18.380 Choose your words 25:18.380 --> 25:20.920 To avoid answering questions 25:20.920 --> 25:22.300 You don't have to lie 25:22.300 --> 25:25.580 But for example 25:25.580 --> 25:27.640 I'd like to find out 25:27.640 --> 25:29.720 This woman's place of business 25:29.720 --> 25:31.000 This woman's place of work 25:31.000 --> 25:33.540 Okay sir 25:33.540 --> 25:34.140 Can I ask 25:34.140 --> 25:34.920 Are you calling from 25:34.920 --> 25:35.960 The business in question 25:35.960 --> 25:37.520 My answer would be 25:37.520 --> 25:38.280 I don't have to come out 25:38.280 --> 25:38.780 And lie and say 25:38.780 --> 25:39.900 Yes I'm calling from 25:39.900 --> 25:40.480 Such and such 25:40.480 --> 25:41.120 I can say 25:41.120 --> 25:42.100 Now listen 25:42.100 --> 25:43.360 Would I bother calling you 25:43.360 --> 25:45.140 If I wasn't 25:45.140 --> 25:46.300 See I'm not exact 25:46.300 --> 25:47.300 I know what you're saying 25:47.300 --> 25:49.560 The intent is definitely the same 25:49.560 --> 25:51.380 I would not argue that 25:51.380 --> 25:53.280 But by choice of words 25:53.280 --> 25:53.940 You can kind of 25:53.940 --> 25:54.360 And you may 25:54.360 --> 25:55.920 That's a spur of the moment example 25:55.920 --> 25:56.180 Right 25:56.180 --> 25:56.920 So 25:56.920 --> 25:58.960 But you can choose your words 25:58.960 --> 25:59.580 Carefully 25:59.580 --> 26:01.700 To avoid coming out 26:01.700 --> 26:02.920 And directly lying 26:02.920 --> 26:05.220 Let me give you a famous quote 26:05.220 --> 26:06.800 That I think 26:06.800 --> 26:08.340 Will kind of sum up 26:08.340 --> 26:09.300 Your position on this 26:09.300 --> 26:09.720 Okay 26:09.720 --> 26:10.440 Okay 26:10.440 --> 26:11.780 It was by a former president 26:11.780 --> 26:13.020 Of the United States 26:13.020 --> 26:13.840 It just depends on 26:13.840 --> 26:14.680 What your definition of 26:14.680 --> 26:15.280 Is is 26:15.280 --> 26:17.360 Well 26:17.360 --> 26:18.120 No 26:18.120 --> 26:18.640 Come on 26:18.640 --> 26:19.880 We're getting into 26:19.880 --> 26:20.860 Semantics here 26:20.860 --> 26:21.300 No 26:21.300 --> 26:21.980 Much as I 26:21.980 --> 26:22.800 I don't like being 26:22.800 --> 26:23.840 Associated with that 26:23.840 --> 26:24.380 I will 26:24.380 --> 26:26.060 I don't 26:26.060 --> 26:26.780 Yeah 26:26.780 --> 26:29.040 Anyway 26:29.040 --> 26:29.860 Bad example 26:29.860 --> 26:30.620 But there are 26:30.620 --> 26:31.600 There are occasions 26:31.600 --> 26:31.900 When you 26:31.900 --> 26:32.800 You know frankly 26:32.800 --> 26:33.800 Sometimes 26:33.800 --> 26:34.820 Social engineering 26:34.820 --> 26:36.040 Can be as simple 26:36.040 --> 26:36.600 As 26:36.600 --> 26:37.620 Coming out 26:37.620 --> 26:38.880 And asking a question 26:38.880 --> 26:40.300 What about this 26:40.300 --> 26:41.000 What if I simply 26:41.000 --> 26:41.480 Come out 26:41.480 --> 26:42.380 I call up a site 26:42.380 --> 26:42.820 And I say 26:42.820 --> 26:43.160 Listen 26:43.160 --> 26:44.700 I'm doing research 26:44.700 --> 26:45.580 For an article 26:45.580 --> 26:47.760 On your security practices 26:47.760 --> 26:49.180 I'm not lying 26:49.180 --> 26:50.440 I am doing research 26:50.440 --> 26:51.020 On an article 26:51.020 --> 26:52.000 But I just 26:52.000 --> 26:52.920 Neglect to leave out 26:52.920 --> 26:53.540 That it's an article 26:53.540 --> 26:54.720 For a hacking magazine 26:54.720 --> 26:55.980 Is that 26:55.980 --> 26:57.020 Social engineering 26:57.020 --> 26:57.780 And B 26:57.780 --> 26:58.800 Is that wrong 26:58.800 --> 27:01.060 Well I'm not going to get into 27:01.060 --> 27:02.020 Right and wrong 27:02.020 --> 27:03.480 Is that lying 27:03.480 --> 27:04.140 Is that 27:04.140 --> 27:05.120 Deceiving 27:05.120 --> 27:07.040 If you're 27:07.040 --> 27:07.760 It depends 27:07.760 --> 27:08.160 Again 27:08.160 --> 27:09.660 You say by your choice of words 27:09.660 --> 27:10.400 You know 27:10.400 --> 27:12.060 You're leading the other person 27:12.060 --> 27:12.660 To believe 27:12.660 --> 27:14.260 Something you want them to believe 27:14.260 --> 27:16.220 Which is completely truthful 27:16.220 --> 27:19.460 I'm writing an article 27:19.460 --> 27:20.880 On your security practices 27:20.880 --> 27:22.180 Is that true or not true 27:22.180 --> 27:24.000 If I came out 27:24.000 --> 27:24.160 And said 27:24.160 --> 27:25.000 I'm writing an article 27:25.000 --> 27:26.420 For a hacking magazine 27:26.420 --> 27:27.480 About weaknesses 27:27.480 --> 27:28.560 In your security 27:28.560 --> 27:30.080 They're not going to give me 27:30.080 --> 27:30.720 What I want 27:30.720 --> 27:31.520 I mean 27:31.520 --> 27:32.380 That's 27:32.380 --> 27:32.840 Pretty 27:32.840 --> 27:34.200 Pretty much assured 27:34.200 --> 27:34.640 Correct 27:34.640 --> 27:36.440 But by choosing 27:36.440 --> 27:37.460 My words carefully 27:37.460 --> 27:38.460 As part of the social 27:38.460 --> 27:39.680 I consider this 27:39.680 --> 27:40.400 Part of the social 27:40.400 --> 27:41.280 Engineering process 27:41.280 --> 27:42.520 By choosing your words 27:42.520 --> 27:43.000 Carefully 27:43.000 --> 27:44.120 And giving just enough 27:44.120 --> 27:44.680 Information 27:44.680 --> 27:46.180 To get what you want 27:46.180 --> 27:47.620 You can be completely honest 27:47.620 --> 27:49.420 And absolutely 27:49.420 --> 27:51.360 Get the same information 27:51.360 --> 27:52.620 Without completely 27:52.620 --> 27:53.600 Selling your soul 27:53.600 --> 27:55.460 I'm writing an article 27:55.460 --> 27:55.780 I agree with it 27:55.780 --> 27:56.780 Completely honest 27:56.780 --> 27:57.160 Because 27:57.160 --> 27:58.240 You know 27:58.240 --> 27:59.100 That you're leading them 27:59.100 --> 27:59.820 You're not saying 27:59.820 --> 28:00.580 I'm doing this 28:00.580 --> 28:01.480 For a hacking magazine 28:01.480 --> 28:02.280 You're leading them 28:02.280 --> 28:02.780 To believe 28:02.780 --> 28:03.420 You're doing it 28:03.420 --> 28:04.560 For something else 28:04.560 --> 28:05.180 So by 28:05.180 --> 28:06.620 By your omission 28:06.620 --> 28:08.400 By your deliberate omission 28:08.400 --> 28:09.140 I wouldn't agree 28:09.140 --> 28:09.700 That you're being 28:09.700 --> 28:10.640 Completely honest 28:10.640 --> 28:11.280 Well 28:11.280 --> 28:12.320 I'm being as honest 28:12.320 --> 28:13.000 As necessary 28:13.000 --> 28:14.380 That's different 28:14.380 --> 28:15.480 Than being completely honest 28:15.480 --> 28:15.860 Well 28:15.860 --> 28:16.760 I didn't lie 28:16.760 --> 28:17.480 No 28:17.480 --> 28:17.800 But you weren't 28:17.800 --> 28:18.760 Completely honest either 28:18.760 --> 28:19.420 So what's your 28:19.420 --> 28:20.180 Definition of is 28:20.180 --> 28:20.640 Yeah 28:20.640 --> 28:20.880 Well 28:20.880 --> 28:21.440 No 28:21.440 --> 28:22.340 It's not like that 28:22.340 --> 28:22.640 At all 28:22.640 --> 28:22.900 See 28:22.900 --> 28:23.620 You know 28:23.620 --> 28:24.620 The public perception 28:24.620 --> 28:25.260 When you mention 28:25.260 --> 28:25.900 The word hacker 28:25.900 --> 28:26.620 See 28:26.620 --> 28:27.280 I don't think 28:27.280 --> 28:27.700 There's anything 28:27.700 --> 28:28.580 Wrong with saying 28:28.580 --> 28:29.480 I'm writing an article 28:29.480 --> 28:30.720 For a hacking magazine 28:30.720 --> 28:31.540 I don't think 28:31.540 --> 28:32.420 That should be 28:32.420 --> 28:33.800 A bad question 28:33.800 --> 28:34.200 To ask 28:34.200 --> 28:34.920 But reality 28:34.920 --> 28:35.760 Tells us otherwise 28:35.760 --> 28:36.760 Let's keep reality 28:36.760 --> 28:37.140 In this 28:37.140 --> 28:38.860 Discussion 28:38.860 --> 28:39.160 You know 28:39.160 --> 28:39.620 The reality 28:39.620 --> 28:40.620 Is if you ask 28:40.620 --> 28:41.320 It like that 28:41.320 --> 28:42.140 Even though 28:42.140 --> 28:43.060 It's still harmless 28:43.060 --> 28:43.840 It's still about 28:43.840 --> 28:44.960 Information and learning 28:44.960 --> 28:45.720 I don't think 28:45.720 --> 28:46.060 There should be 28:46.060 --> 28:47.020 Anything wrong with that 28:47.020 --> 28:47.980 But I know 28:47.980 --> 28:49.100 Damn good and well 28:49.100 --> 28:50.160 That if I do 28:50.160 --> 28:50.980 Say that word 28:50.980 --> 28:51.860 That I'm not 28:51.860 --> 28:52.340 Going to get 28:52.340 --> 28:53.020 That information 28:53.020 --> 28:53.860 They're going to 28:53.860 --> 28:54.580 Make assumptions 28:54.580 --> 28:55.440 On me 28:55.440 --> 28:56.800 False assumptions 28:56.800 --> 28:57.960 On me 28:57.960 --> 28:58.460 And what I'm going 28:58.460 --> 28:58.940 To do with that 28:58.940 --> 28:59.480 Information 28:59.480 --> 29:01.640 So why should 29:01.640 --> 29:02.500 I come out 29:02.500 --> 29:03.020 And give this 29:03.020 --> 29:03.860 Extra information 29:03.860 --> 29:06.520 So I don't think 29:06.520 --> 29:07.180 It's semantics 29:07.180 --> 29:08.000 Of what is 29:08.000 --> 29:08.800 And what isn't 29:08.800 --> 29:09.600 I think it's 29:09.600 --> 29:10.620 What they perceive 29:10.620 --> 29:11.760 And what I perceive 29:11.760 --> 29:12.780 And instead of 29:12.780 --> 29:13.820 Confusing the two 29:13.820 --> 29:14.420 And let them 29:14.420 --> 29:15.140 Being led 29:15.140 --> 29:16.220 By their false 29:16.220 --> 29:16.760 Ideas 29:16.760 --> 29:17.420 And false 29:17.420 --> 29:20.500 Predeterminations 29:20.500 --> 29:21.720 Of what a hacker is 29:21.720 --> 29:22.460 Why should I 29:22.460 --> 29:23.340 Let that interfere 29:23.340 --> 29:24.360 Let's just keep it 29:24.360 --> 29:24.720 Out 29:24.720 --> 29:25.840 Open 29:25.840 --> 29:26.920 And talk about 29:26.920 --> 29:27.540 The facts 29:27.540 --> 29:28.900 There's actually 29:28.900 --> 29:29.700 A bigger issue 29:29.700 --> 29:30.600 Relating to this 29:30.600 --> 29:31.180 And I think 29:31.180 --> 29:32.120 It was addressed 29:32.120 --> 29:32.920 Very well 29:32.920 --> 29:33.600 By a t-shirt 29:33.600 --> 29:34.640 Heavily into 29:34.640 --> 29:35.540 T-shirt philosophy 29:35.540 --> 29:36.660 It says 29:36.660 --> 29:37.780 Social engineering 29:37.780 --> 29:38.320 Because there is 29:38.320 --> 29:38.940 No patch for 29:38.940 --> 29:39.800 Human stupidity 29:39.800 --> 29:41.080 If someone calls 29:41.080 --> 29:41.580 You up 29:41.580 --> 29:42.440 And asks 29:42.440 --> 29:43.420 You know 29:43.420 --> 29:44.920 I'm doing a survey 29:44.920 --> 29:46.120 Even if it's true 29:46.120 --> 29:46.820 You know 29:46.820 --> 29:47.700 You can take 29:47.700 --> 29:48.720 Any major university 29:48.720 --> 29:49.240 If someone says 29:49.240 --> 29:50.960 I'm a student 29:50.960 --> 29:51.480 For a 29:51.480 --> 29:53.480 XYZ university 29:53.480 --> 29:54.860 And I'm doing 29:54.860 --> 29:55.660 A thing on 29:55.660 --> 29:56.060 Banking 29:56.060 --> 29:56.400 And I'd like 29:56.400 --> 29:56.600 To know 29:56.600 --> 29:56.820 Who you 29:56.820 --> 29:57.240 Bank with 29:57.240 --> 29:57.840 I'm going 29:57.840 --> 29:58.080 To say 29:58.080 --> 29:58.940 I'm sorry 29:58.940 --> 29:59.480 It's none of your 29:59.480 --> 29:59.800 Business 29:59.800 --> 30:00.240 Goodbye 30:00.240 --> 30:01.520 And there you go 30:01.520 --> 30:02.560 Because then 30:02.560 --> 30:02.980 They call it 30:02.980 --> 30:03.900 The human firewall 30:03.900 --> 30:04.740 That's the weakest link 30:04.740 --> 30:05.140 If you've read 30:05.140 --> 30:05.560 The art of 30:05.560 --> 30:05.960 Disruption 30:05.960 --> 30:06.700 By Mitnick 30:06.700 --> 30:09.160 That's the weakest link 30:09.160 --> 30:10.920 You can talk people 30:10.920 --> 30:11.680 Into giving you 30:11.680 --> 30:12.960 Any kind of information 30:12.960 --> 30:13.660 Passwords 30:13.660 --> 30:14.600 Server names 30:14.600 --> 30:14.980 Whatever 30:14.980 --> 30:17.220 But that's the 30:17.220 --> 30:18.080 Whole larger issue 30:18.080 --> 30:19.320 In relation to that 30:19.320 --> 30:19.940 Anytime anyone 30:19.940 --> 30:21.060 Asks you for something 30:21.060 --> 30:21.860 I don't know 30:21.860 --> 30:23.260 Call me jaded now 30:23.260 --> 30:24.880 In the 21st century 30:24.880 --> 30:25.800 But I'm thinking 30:25.800 --> 30:26.640 What's your motive 30:26.640 --> 30:27.580 Why do you want to know 30:27.580 --> 30:27.920 Right 30:27.920 --> 30:29.160 And I do the same thing 30:29.160 --> 30:30.040 And I agree with that 30:30.040 --> 30:31.500 I agree with 100% 30:31.500 --> 30:32.200 Yep 30:32.200 --> 30:32.680 But 30:32.680 --> 30:33.520 You know 30:33.520 --> 30:34.480 There's a line 30:34.480 --> 30:34.960 That I guess 30:34.960 --> 30:35.780 Each individual 30:35.780 --> 30:36.560 Has to choose 30:36.560 --> 30:36.860 Of 30:36.860 --> 30:38.860 What should be known 30:38.860 --> 30:39.880 What do I need to give 30:39.880 --> 30:41.300 And is there any point 30:41.300 --> 30:41.620 I mean 30:41.620 --> 30:42.500 Why should I 30:42.500 --> 30:43.180 How honest is honest 30:43.180 --> 30:44.400 What's the definition of is 30:44.400 --> 30:45.200 Well 30:45.200 --> 30:47.240 I don't know about that 30:47.240 --> 30:47.680 But yes 30:47.680 --> 30:48.720 How honest is honest 30:48.720 --> 30:49.640 I think that's 30:49.640 --> 30:50.340 A wholly separate 30:50.340 --> 30:51.740 Than what your definition 30:51.740 --> 30:52.320 Of is 30:52.320 --> 30:53.700 What your definition 30:53.700 --> 30:54.480 Of honest is 30:54.480 --> 30:55.740 Is a morals clause 30:55.740 --> 30:56.900 And whether or not 30:56.900 --> 30:57.220 You 30:57.220 --> 30:58.260 Your line is different 30:58.260 --> 30:59.080 From somebody else 30:59.080 --> 30:59.740 Is 30:59.740 --> 31:00.820 That's a verb 31:00.820 --> 31:01.760 Okay 31:01.760 --> 31:03.300 Verbs don't exactly 31:03.300 --> 31:04.180 Have to do with 31:04.180 --> 31:05.360 One verb being different 31:05.360 --> 31:05.840 From another 31:05.840 --> 31:06.500 So I don't see 31:06.500 --> 31:08.280 That's apples and oranges there 31:08.280 --> 31:10.420 In my opinion 31:10.420 --> 31:10.900 Of course 31:10.900 --> 31:11.660 And 31:11.660 --> 31:12.120 And 31:12.120 --> 31:12.580 And 31:12.580 --> 31:13.300 And same thing 31:13.300 --> 31:14.540 With urban exploration 31:14.540 --> 31:15.620 Yes 31:15.620 --> 31:16.480 Most of the time 31:16.480 --> 31:17.180 I agree with you 31:17.180 --> 31:18.240 But there are some places 31:18.240 --> 31:19.520 That are public property 31:19.520 --> 31:20.180 And public 31:20.180 --> 31:21.960 Paid for with our tax money 31:21.960 --> 31:23.260 Why should I not be allowed 31:23.260 --> 31:24.340 To go 31:24.340 --> 31:25.480 Exploring 31:25.480 --> 31:26.320 Now if they're marked 31:26.320 --> 31:27.300 No trespassing 31:27.300 --> 31:28.760 Obviously that's a different thing 31:28.760 --> 31:29.080 Okay 31:29.080 --> 31:29.780 Do they have to have 31:29.780 --> 31:30.800 A no trespassing sign 31:30.800 --> 31:31.360 On the Pentagon 31:31.360 --> 31:32.760 Um 31:32.760 --> 31:33.560 No 31:33.560 --> 31:34.600 And that's paid for 31:34.600 --> 31:35.580 With your taxpayers money 31:35.580 --> 31:36.600 But I guarantee you 31:36.600 --> 31:37.400 The places you're not 31:37.400 --> 31:38.040 Supposed to go 31:38.040 --> 31:38.720 And aren't allowed 31:38.720 --> 31:39.220 To go in there 31:39.220 --> 31:40.100 Will be roped off 31:40.100 --> 31:41.120 Have security guards 31:41.120 --> 31:41.820 Metal detectors 31:41.820 --> 31:42.720 And or 31:42.720 --> 31:44.080 No trespassing signs 31:44.080 --> 31:44.640 If they're dumb enough 31:44.640 --> 31:45.700 To depend on a sign 31:45.700 --> 31:46.720 For security though 31:46.720 --> 31:48.880 That's a whole nother issue 31:48.880 --> 31:49.340 Yeah 31:49.340 --> 31:50.240 Well we can get 31:50.240 --> 31:51.120 Into all kinds of 31:51.120 --> 31:51.800 But you know 31:51.800 --> 31:52.400 Things on the app 31:52.400 --> 31:53.320 Yep 31:53.320 --> 31:54.380 An old abandoned 31:54.380 --> 31:54.960 Um 31:54.960 --> 31:56.480 Underpass 31:56.480 --> 31:56.900 Tunnel 31:56.900 --> 31:57.900 Train trestles 31:57.900 --> 31:58.580 Train stations 31:58.580 --> 31:59.480 Something like that 31:59.480 --> 32:00.360 You know 32:00.360 --> 32:02.040 That can be interesting 32:02.040 --> 32:02.720 You can find a lot 32:02.720 --> 32:03.420 Of interesting stuff 32:03.420 --> 32:03.900 Like that 32:03.900 --> 32:04.800 An old 32:04.800 --> 32:05.520 Abandoned 32:05.520 --> 32:05.860 Um 32:05.860 --> 32:07.040 Public building 32:07.040 --> 32:08.420 You know 32:08.420 --> 32:09.200 As long as 32:09.200 --> 32:10.060 It's not posted 32:10.060 --> 32:11.540 Someone 32:11.540 --> 32:12.460 Someone owns 32:12.460 --> 32:13.600 Even if it's 32:13.600 --> 32:14.320 Public building 32:14.320 --> 32:14.980 Well again 32:14.980 --> 32:15.580 We could get 32:15.580 --> 32:16.020 Into a whole 32:16.020 --> 32:17.000 A whole discussion 32:17.000 --> 32:18.100 They had that 32:18.100 --> 32:18.780 On the air 32:18.780 --> 32:19.080 One time 32:19.080 --> 32:19.380 With Duel 32:19.380 --> 32:19.640 So 32:19.640 --> 32:21.760 Yeah I remember 32:21.760 --> 32:22.360 That episode 32:22.360 --> 32:22.980 Yeah 32:22.980 --> 32:24.340 I remember that episode 32:24.340 --> 32:24.940 So yeah 32:24.940 --> 32:25.580 There are some 32:25.580 --> 32:26.520 Some grey areas 32:26.520 --> 32:27.040 Sometimes 32:27.040 --> 32:28.280 But for the most part 32:28.280 --> 32:29.160 I do agree with you 32:29.160 --> 32:29.520 But 32:29.520 --> 32:30.440 I don't know 32:30.440 --> 32:31.520 It's not completely 32:31.520 --> 32:32.340 Black and white 32:32.340 --> 32:33.220 That's all I'm saying 32:33.220 --> 32:34.020 There are sometimes 32:34.020 --> 32:34.760 It's not black and white 32:34.760 --> 32:35.120 Huh 32:35.120 --> 32:36.780 And as much as 32:36.780 --> 32:37.040 You know 32:37.040 --> 32:38.260 All the digital technology 32:38.260 --> 32:39.020 Of ours is binary 32:39.020 --> 32:39.740 The world is 32:39.740 --> 32:41.120 You know 32:41.120 --> 32:42.740 Is not just black and white 32:42.740 --> 32:43.380 There's a myriad 32:43.380 --> 32:44.240 Of shades of grey 32:44.240 --> 32:45.080 Absolutely 32:45.080 --> 32:45.800 And that's basically 32:45.800 --> 32:46.720 What I'm trying to say 32:46.720 --> 32:48.260 Anyway 32:48.260 --> 32:48.880 Boy we got off 32:48.880 --> 32:49.260 On a tangent 32:49.260 --> 32:49.700 On that one 32:49.700 --> 32:50.320 Yeah but it was 32:50.320 --> 32:50.920 A good tangent 32:50.920 --> 32:52.560 That's good stuff 32:52.560 --> 32:52.820 Man 32:52.820 --> 32:53.600 That's good stuff 32:53.600 --> 32:56.140 And we haven't 32:56.140 --> 32:57.300 Even left the housekeeping 32:57.300 --> 32:58.380 I still have another 32:58.380 --> 32:58.840 Let's see 32:58.840 --> 32:59.300 Email 32:59.300 --> 33:00.060 Oh yeah 33:00.060 --> 33:00.540 Pixelphine 33:00.540 --> 33:00.960 I was talking about 33:00.960 --> 33:01.220 Pixelphine 33:01.220 --> 33:02.220 He had another point 33:02.220 --> 33:02.700 In here 33:02.700 --> 33:03.800 About 33:03.800 --> 33:04.880 We also talked about 33:04.880 --> 33:06.000 IPv4 33:06.000 --> 33:07.460 Versus IPv6 33:07.460 --> 33:08.940 And we kind of 33:08.940 --> 33:09.640 Mentioned how we were 33:09.640 --> 33:10.840 Running out of IP addresses 33:10.840 --> 33:11.920 Or they were running 33:11.920 --> 33:12.680 Short anyway 33:12.680 --> 33:13.520 In IPv4 33:13.520 --> 33:14.440 And how IPv6 33:14.440 --> 33:15.640 Was going to change this 33:15.640 --> 33:18.680 We kind of talked about 33:18.680 --> 33:19.440 We didn't know exactly 33:19.440 --> 33:20.440 How many were left 33:20.440 --> 33:21.580 I don't think it's really 33:21.580 --> 33:23.700 A problem of exactly 33:23.700 --> 33:25.040 How many are left 33:25.040 --> 33:25.640 Or pinpointing 33:25.640 --> 33:26.920 Oh there's this many thousand 33:26.920 --> 33:27.280 Or this 33:27.280 --> 33:27.580 You know 33:27.580 --> 33:28.240 I don't think that's 33:28.240 --> 33:28.840 Really necessary 33:28.840 --> 33:29.800 The point is simply 33:29.800 --> 33:31.300 That we're running out 33:31.300 --> 33:32.800 I mean it's definitely 33:32.800 --> 33:33.540 Public knowledge 33:33.540 --> 33:34.220 Everybody knows how 33:34.220 --> 33:35.320 The internet is growing 33:35.320 --> 33:36.520 And how the web 33:36.520 --> 33:37.480 In particular is growing 33:37.480 --> 33:37.980 But the internet 33:37.980 --> 33:38.820 In general is growing 33:38.820 --> 33:40.940 And they're running out 33:40.940 --> 33:41.880 At a rapid pace 33:41.880 --> 33:43.520 So putting an actual number 33:43.520 --> 33:44.120 Of whether we're going to 33:44.120 --> 33:45.160 Run out in five days 33:45.160 --> 33:46.200 Versus seven days 33:46.200 --> 33:47.160 Or six months 33:47.160 --> 33:48.000 Versus nine months 33:48.000 --> 33:49.240 Or whatever it happens to be 33:49.240 --> 33:50.820 I don't think that's the point 33:50.820 --> 33:51.680 It's just simply 33:51.680 --> 33:53.820 That we are running out 33:53.820 --> 33:56.100 And you were mentioning earlier 33:56.100 --> 33:56.720 We were kind of talking 33:56.720 --> 33:57.580 Before the show 33:57.580 --> 33:58.640 And you made a good point 33:58.640 --> 34:00.420 Why don't you explain why 34:00.420 --> 34:02.440 I mean I think everybody 34:02.440 --> 34:03.380 Kind of knows 34:03.380 --> 34:05.140 Why IPv6 is important 34:05.140 --> 34:06.260 But you were saying 34:06.260 --> 34:07.040 About the NAT 34:07.040 --> 34:08.660 Yeah NAT 34:08.660 --> 34:09.920 Network address translation 34:09.920 --> 34:10.960 Is one of the reasons 34:10.960 --> 34:11.660 Probably 34:11.660 --> 34:12.640 I'd say probably 34:12.640 --> 34:13.340 The major reason 34:13.340 --> 34:14.220 That we've not switched 34:14.220 --> 34:16.520 To IPv6 already 34:16.520 --> 34:17.540 Why we have not 34:17.540 --> 34:18.260 Run out of addresses 34:18.260 --> 34:18.860 Already 34:18.860 --> 34:20.540 And I was asking 34:20.540 --> 34:21.000 Stank 34:21.000 --> 34:21.420 You know 34:21.420 --> 34:22.080 How many computers 34:22.080 --> 34:22.700 Do you have hooked 34:22.700 --> 34:23.060 To the NAT 34:23.060 --> 34:24.080 At your crib 34:24.080 --> 34:25.660 You've got like what 34:25.660 --> 34:26.160 Four or five 34:26.160 --> 34:27.500 Five that are active 34:27.500 --> 34:28.260 Right now yeah 34:28.260 --> 34:28.880 And so I've got 34:28.880 --> 34:29.580 About the same here 34:29.580 --> 34:30.300 But I've got 34:30.300 --> 34:31.560 One live IP address 34:31.560 --> 34:32.500 Out to the world 34:32.500 --> 34:34.160 And that network 34:34.160 --> 34:35.080 Address translation 34:35.080 --> 34:35.940 I always kind of 34:35.940 --> 34:36.740 Think of it as a funnel 34:36.740 --> 34:37.480 So yeah 34:37.480 --> 34:38.940 I have these five computers 34:38.940 --> 34:40.020 That have 34:40.020 --> 34:42.020 In the reserved range 34:42.020 --> 34:42.420 I think it's 34:42.420 --> 34:43.540 RFC 1922 34:43.540 --> 34:44.100 Or something like that 34:44.100 --> 34:44.400 But anyway 34:44.400 --> 34:45.220 In that reserved 34:45.220 --> 34:46.300 Ranges 34:46.300 --> 34:47.620 In each class 34:47.620 --> 34:49.640 Of IP address 34:49.640 --> 34:50.080 Class A 34:50.080 --> 34:50.480 Class B 34:50.480 --> 34:51.000 Class C 34:51.000 --> 34:51.740 There's a few others 34:51.740 --> 34:52.580 That we won't talk about 34:52.580 --> 34:54.320 But there are reserved ranges 34:54.320 --> 34:55.700 That are not routed 34:55.700 --> 34:56.520 On the public internet 34:56.520 --> 34:57.020 Sure 34:57.020 --> 34:58.640 The 10 address space 34:58.640 --> 34:59.280 In class A 34:59.280 --> 35:00.340 172.16 35:00.340 --> 35:01.700 192 35:01.700 --> 35:03.580 And then 192.168 35:03.580 --> 35:04.940 Class B 35:04.940 --> 35:06.760 00 through 255.255 35:06.760 --> 35:08.260 So there are groups 35:08.260 --> 35:10.440 Of addresses 35:10.440 --> 35:11.380 That are private 35:11.380 --> 35:12.580 That will never be routed 35:12.580 --> 35:13.020 On the internet 35:13.020 --> 35:14.060 And every time 35:14.060 --> 35:14.660 You have your little 35:14.660 --> 35:15.440 Linksys box 35:15.440 --> 35:15.860 Or whatever 35:15.860 --> 35:16.660 At home 35:16.660 --> 35:17.100 That's connected 35:17.100 --> 35:17.660 To your cable 35:17.660 --> 35:18.380 Or DSL 35:18.380 --> 35:19.660 And you can have 35:19.660 --> 35:21.240 254 hosts 35:21.240 --> 35:22.360 Out on the internet 35:22.360 --> 35:23.340 That's using 35:23.340 --> 35:24.400 Network address translation 35:24.400 --> 35:25.440 So again 35:25.440 --> 35:26.240 Think of it as a funnel 35:26.240 --> 35:27.520 You've got all these things 35:27.520 --> 35:28.360 That are funneling down 35:28.360 --> 35:29.440 To the one IP address 35:29.440 --> 35:29.900 Outside 35:29.900 --> 35:31.520 And if I had to have 35:31.520 --> 35:32.480 Five IP addresses 35:32.480 --> 35:33.800 Here to be on the internet 35:33.800 --> 35:34.620 And Stank had to have 35:34.620 --> 35:35.380 Five IP addresses 35:35.380 --> 35:36.300 And every one of our 35:36.300 --> 35:37.000 Listeners out there 35:37.000 --> 35:38.120 Had to have five IP addresses 35:38.120 --> 35:39.320 We'd be in a whole 35:39.320 --> 35:40.180 Big world of hurt 35:40.180 --> 35:40.900 But because of 35:40.900 --> 35:41.920 Network address translation 35:41.920 --> 35:43.600 We're staving off 35:43.600 --> 35:43.940 You know 35:43.940 --> 35:44.840 Having to do the switch 35:44.840 --> 35:45.560 Right 35:45.560 --> 35:46.160 And that's 35:46.160 --> 35:47.260 That's something else 35:47.260 --> 35:48.060 Because I also 35:48.060 --> 35:48.900 Mentioned the fact 35:48.900 --> 35:50.400 And maybe less or so 35:50.400 --> 35:51.440 Than what you're talking about 35:51.440 --> 35:52.100 But I also mentioned 35:52.100 --> 35:53.060 The fact that dynamic 35:53.060 --> 35:53.900 IP addressing 35:53.900 --> 35:55.300 Grew out of necessity 35:55.300 --> 35:56.260 Or similar necessity 35:56.260 --> 35:57.220 Probably not as grand 35:57.220 --> 35:57.680 A scale 35:57.680 --> 35:59.480 But the simple fact 35:59.480 --> 36:00.860 That an ISP 36:00.860 --> 36:01.360 For example 36:01.360 --> 36:02.260 May have a limited 36:02.260 --> 36:03.180 Number of IPs 36:03.180 --> 36:04.300 That they can't hand out 36:04.300 --> 36:04.940 And that's really 36:04.940 --> 36:05.880 The reason sometimes 36:05.880 --> 36:06.600 They will charge you 36:06.600 --> 36:07.500 If you need a static 36:07.500 --> 36:08.700 IP address 36:08.700 --> 36:10.280 Because what they will do 36:10.280 --> 36:11.400 And obviously 36:11.400 --> 36:12.240 Things have changed 36:12.240 --> 36:13.100 The way cable motors 36:13.100 --> 36:14.100 And you're giving 36:14.100 --> 36:14.680 A given 36:14.680 --> 36:16.020 I forget what the term is 36:16.020 --> 36:17.920 But a more consistent 36:17.920 --> 36:18.880 IP address 36:18.880 --> 36:19.740 For a week at a time 36:19.740 --> 36:20.520 But it used to be 36:20.520 --> 36:22.180 Much shorter time frames 36:22.180 --> 36:24.260 Where you know 36:24.260 --> 36:24.720 You may have 36:24.720 --> 36:25.680 A hundred users 36:25.680 --> 36:26.760 Persistent 36:26.760 --> 36:27.620 Persistent I think 36:27.620 --> 36:28.220 So are they 36:28.220 --> 36:29.380 You may have 36:29.380 --> 36:29.980 A hundred users 36:29.980 --> 36:30.720 On your ISP 36:30.720 --> 36:31.680 But you may only need 36:31.680 --> 36:32.520 Thirty given 36:32.520 --> 36:33.380 IP addresses 36:33.380 --> 36:34.420 At any given time 36:34.420 --> 36:34.820 And as soon as 36:34.820 --> 36:35.440 Somebody hangs up 36:35.440 --> 36:36.360 You release one 36:36.360 --> 36:37.560 And make it available again 36:37.560 --> 36:38.020 Right 36:38.020 --> 36:39.180 So you don't really need 36:39.180 --> 36:40.420 A hundred exactly 36:40.420 --> 36:41.960 I mean potentially 36:41.960 --> 36:43.220 You would if every user 36:43.220 --> 36:44.120 Was on the same time 36:44.120 --> 36:45.020 So that's another 36:45.020 --> 36:45.940 Minor example 36:45.940 --> 36:46.680 But that's just 36:46.680 --> 36:47.660 Another fact of 36:47.660 --> 36:49.900 Of how we have to 36:49.900 --> 36:50.440 Make do 36:50.440 --> 36:51.420 And use what we have 36:51.420 --> 36:52.140 Efficiently 36:52.140 --> 36:53.280 So 36:53.280 --> 36:54.600 There's all kinds 36:54.600 --> 36:55.180 Of other issues 36:55.180 --> 36:56.320 For IPv6 36:56.320 --> 36:57.880 Not just 36:57.880 --> 36:58.400 You know 36:58.400 --> 36:59.440 The address space 36:59.440 --> 37:00.680 But converting over 37:00.680 --> 37:00.980 I mean 37:00.980 --> 37:02.380 Virtually every device 37:02.380 --> 37:03.320 Out there 37:03.320 --> 37:04.440 And like the Cisco 37:04.440 --> 37:04.860 Routers 37:04.860 --> 37:05.520 And that of the world 37:05.520 --> 37:06.320 Have had support 37:06.320 --> 37:07.060 For IPv6 37:07.060 --> 37:07.760 For a while 37:07.760 --> 37:08.140 Right 37:08.140 --> 37:08.900 A lot of places 37:08.900 --> 37:09.300 Have 37:09.300 --> 37:10.400 Microsoft 37:10.400 --> 37:11.560 You can download 37:11.560 --> 37:12.020 You know 37:12.020 --> 37:14.180 A test version 37:14.180 --> 37:14.500 Or whatever 37:14.500 --> 37:16.120 Of an IPv6 stack 37:16.120 --> 37:17.320 But when it gets 37:17.320 --> 37:18.100 Down to it 37:18.100 --> 37:18.840 If you think 37:18.840 --> 37:19.360 Upgrading your 37:19.360 --> 37:20.000 Operating system 37:20.000 --> 37:21.420 Is you know 37:21.420 --> 37:21.900 And then having 37:21.900 --> 37:22.440 Everything work 37:22.440 --> 37:22.880 Is a pain 37:22.880 --> 37:23.580 Well imagine 37:23.580 --> 37:24.620 The underlying 37:24.620 --> 37:24.980 Layer 37:24.980 --> 37:25.600 Layer 3 37:25.600 --> 37:26.460 Of the OSI 37:26.460 --> 37:26.760 Model 37:26.760 --> 37:27.600 Is changed 37:27.600 --> 37:28.140 Is shifted 37:28.140 --> 37:29.660 You're going to 37:29.660 --> 37:30.700 Have everything 37:30.700 --> 37:31.820 Basically you're 37:31.820 --> 37:32.320 Ripping out the 37:32.320 --> 37:33.020 Foundation underneath 37:33.020 --> 37:33.540 Your house 37:33.540 --> 37:34.340 And sticking 37:34.340 --> 37:34.820 Something else 37:34.820 --> 37:35.180 In there 37:35.180 --> 37:36.680 That is better 37:36.680 --> 37:36.960 Than your 37:36.960 --> 37:37.700 Original foundation 37:37.700 --> 37:38.340 But you hope 37:38.340 --> 37:38.840 That everything 37:38.840 --> 37:39.620 Works when you're 37:39.620 --> 37:39.800 Done 37:39.800 --> 37:40.400 Right 37:40.400 --> 37:41.000 So there's 37:41.000 --> 37:41.760 Huge issues 37:41.760 --> 37:42.440 To doing that 37:42.440 --> 37:43.340 And they've 37:43.340 --> 37:43.780 Actually have 37:43.780 --> 37:44.120 Started 37:44.120 --> 37:44.600 Most of the 37:44.600 --> 37:45.080 Places have 37:45.080 --> 37:45.340 Started 37:45.340 --> 37:46.120 Especially in 37:46.120 --> 37:46.720 Europe and Asia 37:46.720 --> 37:47.780 We seem to be 37:47.780 --> 37:49.080 Behind the curve 37:49.080 --> 37:49.540 On this stuff 37:49.540 --> 37:49.920 Over here in 37:49.920 --> 37:50.400 North America 37:50.400 --> 37:53.140 But on PDAs 37:53.140 --> 37:53.840 And cell phones 37:53.840 --> 37:54.200 And that 37:54.200 --> 37:55.300 They just set it 37:55.300 --> 37:55.780 Up and they just 37:55.780 --> 37:56.760 Did IPv6 37:56.760 --> 37:57.580 From the get go 37:57.580 --> 37:58.160 Because you know 37:58.160 --> 37:59.260 Why do something 37:59.260 --> 37:59.940 Old and then have 37:59.940 --> 38:00.380 To change it in 38:00.380 --> 38:00.660 The future 38:00.660 --> 38:01.800 Right 38:01.800 --> 38:02.900 And you know 38:02.900 --> 38:03.460 I have to 38:03.460 --> 38:04.040 I mentioned 38:04.040 --> 38:04.740 Last week too 38:04.740 --> 38:05.320 About what a 38:05.320 --> 38:06.780 Great opportunity 38:06.780 --> 38:08.180 For learning 38:08.180 --> 38:08.740 And hacking 38:08.740 --> 38:09.140 Or however 38:09.140 --> 38:09.420 You want to 38:09.420 --> 38:09.800 Look at it 38:09.800 --> 38:10.180 It is 38:10.180 --> 38:11.840 For assigning 38:11.840 --> 38:12.920 Every device 38:12.920 --> 38:13.320 Out there 38:13.320 --> 38:14.720 Will potentially 38:14.720 --> 38:15.280 Be able to 38:15.280 --> 38:15.740 Have its own 38:15.740 --> 38:16.380 IP address 38:16.380 --> 38:18.000 My five boxes 38:18.000 --> 38:18.700 Will be able 38:18.700 --> 38:20.120 To theoretically 38:20.120 --> 38:21.120 Have an individual 38:21.120 --> 38:21.720 IP address 38:21.720 --> 38:22.220 For each one 38:22.220 --> 38:22.840 That is valid 38:22.840 --> 38:23.400 And shouted 38:23.400 --> 38:23.860 Out to the 38:23.860 --> 38:24.220 Internet 38:24.220 --> 38:25.320 Well I think 38:25.320 --> 38:25.740 I heard it 38:25.740 --> 38:26.220 Said that 38:26.220 --> 38:27.740 Every person 38:27.740 --> 38:28.540 On the planet 38:28.540 --> 38:29.740 Every hair follicle 38:29.740 --> 38:30.420 On their body 38:30.420 --> 38:30.860 Could have a 38:30.860 --> 38:31.680 Separate IP address 38:31.680 --> 38:33.600 I don't know 38:33.600 --> 38:34.160 About all that 38:34.160 --> 38:34.740 That's interesting 38:34.740 --> 38:35.820 I think I heard 38:35.820 --> 38:36.920 Something similar 38:36.920 --> 38:37.380 About like 38:37.380 --> 38:38.580 One IP address 38:38.580 --> 38:39.200 For every square 38:39.200 --> 38:40.140 Foot of land 38:40.140 --> 38:41.040 Anyway 38:41.040 --> 38:41.820 There's a lot 38:41.820 --> 38:43.200 Of comparisons 38:43.200 --> 38:43.640 Like that 38:43.640 --> 38:44.080 Actually 38:44.080 --> 38:45.600 Saito 38:45.600 --> 38:46.040 Who I'm going 38:46.040 --> 38:46.420 To talk about 38:46.420 --> 38:46.900 In a few minutes 38:46.900 --> 38:47.660 He did a 38:47.660 --> 38:49.060 Report 38:49.060 --> 38:50.340 Did some investigation 38:50.340 --> 38:50.780 And crunched 38:50.780 --> 38:51.120 Some numbers 38:51.120 --> 38:51.600 Himself 38:51.600 --> 38:52.060 And came up 38:52.060 --> 38:52.280 With some 38:52.280 --> 38:52.800 Interesting stuff 38:52.800 --> 38:53.220 I'll have to 38:53.220 --> 38:54.500 Touch base with him 38:54.500 --> 38:55.100 And see if I can 38:55.100 --> 38:55.620 Get him back 38:55.620 --> 38:56.080 On the show 38:56.080 --> 38:56.540 Again 38:56.540 --> 38:58.000 I don't want to 38:58.000 --> 38:58.400 Pull him off 38:58.400 --> 38:58.880 Of Hack TV 38:58.880 --> 38:59.120 Though 38:59.120 --> 39:00.900 And actually 39:00.900 --> 39:01.240 You know what 39:01.240 --> 39:01.640 That's a pretty 39:01.640 --> 39:02.020 Good segue 39:02.020 --> 39:02.720 Let's close up 39:02.720 --> 39:03.460 The mailbag 39:03.460 --> 39:05.940 And move on 39:05.940 --> 39:06.720 To our 39:06.720 --> 39:07.700 Personal stuff 39:07.700 --> 39:08.320 Because I do 39:08.320 --> 39:08.900 Want to bring up 39:08.900 --> 39:09.900 A Hack TV update 39:09.900 --> 39:11.980 First of all 39:11.980 --> 39:12.320 Though 39:12.320 --> 39:14.420 I want to 39:14.420 --> 39:14.900 Let everybody 39:14.900 --> 39:15.260 Know that 39:15.260 --> 39:16.440 I am still 39:16.440 --> 39:17.020 Working on 39:17.020 --> 39:17.420 Setting up 39:17.420 --> 39:17.780 The streaming 39:17.780 --> 39:18.480 Media server 39:18.480 --> 39:19.460 I do want 39:19.460 --> 39:19.980 To set up 39:19.980 --> 39:20.580 Rotation 39:20.580 --> 39:21.080 Where people 39:21.080 --> 39:21.420 Can listen 39:21.420 --> 39:21.800 To back 39:21.800 --> 39:22.300 Episodes 39:22.300 --> 39:22.700 Of Ben 39:22.700 --> 39:23.160 Rev Radio 39:23.160 --> 39:23.440 Which will 39:23.440 --> 39:23.820 Be flowing 39:23.820 --> 39:24.220 All day 39:24.220 --> 39:24.580 As well 39:24.580 --> 39:25.600 As RFA 39:25.600 --> 39:26.180 And all 39:26.180 --> 39:26.620 The shows 39:26.620 --> 39:27.060 Mentioned 39:27.060 --> 39:27.460 Earlier 39:27.460 --> 39:27.880 As well 39:27.880 --> 39:28.280 As new 39:28.280 --> 39:28.700 Shows 39:28.700 --> 39:30.060 Like CCCPR 39:30.060 --> 39:31.220 And stuff 39:31.220 --> 39:31.860 Like that 39:31.860 --> 39:33.460 Off the hook 39:33.460 --> 39:33.820 Anything 39:33.820 --> 39:35.240 That's hacking 39:35.240 --> 39:35.580 Related 39:35.580 --> 39:35.860 I want to 39:35.860 --> 39:36.180 Mix into 39:36.180 --> 39:36.800 The rotation 39:36.800 --> 39:38.580 But 39:38.580 --> 39:39.080 I didn't 39:39.080 --> 39:39.420 Have 39:39.420 --> 39:39.840 I was having 39:39.840 --> 39:40.240 Problems 39:40.240 --> 39:40.500 Finding 39:40.500 --> 39:41.220 Some software 39:41.220 --> 39:41.640 So I 39:41.640 --> 39:41.800 Got to 39:41.800 --> 39:42.340 Give thanks 39:42.340 --> 39:42.820 Shout out 39:42.820 --> 39:43.200 To DJ 39:43.200 --> 39:43.800 Mollusk 39:43.800 --> 39:44.560 For helping 39:44.560 --> 39:44.920 Me out 39:44.920 --> 39:45.300 Giving me 39:45.300 --> 39:45.700 The software 39:45.700 --> 39:46.140 I need 39:46.140 --> 39:46.860 I've got 39:46.860 --> 39:47.340 That up 39:47.340 --> 39:47.860 And running 39:47.860 --> 39:48.680 In a test 39:48.680 --> 39:49.220 Environment 39:49.220 --> 39:50.600 Unfortunately 39:50.600 --> 39:50.920 It's not 39:50.920 --> 39:52.120 Really ready 39:52.120 --> 39:52.520 For public 39:52.520 --> 39:52.960 Consumption 39:52.960 --> 39:53.180 Yet 39:53.180 --> 39:54.220 Having a 39:54.220 --> 39:54.500 Problem 39:54.500 --> 39:54.880 Now 39:54.880 --> 39:55.220 With 39:55.220 --> 39:56.260 Well 39:56.260 --> 39:56.480 Without 39:56.480 --> 39:56.860 Going into 39:56.860 --> 39:57.100 A lot 39:57.100 --> 39:57.260 Of a 39:57.260 --> 39:57.540 Detail 39:57.540 --> 39:57.720 With 39:57.720 --> 39:57.940 Bit 39:57.940 --> 39:58.280 Rates 39:58.280 --> 39:58.620 And 39:58.620 --> 39:59.260 Stuff 39:59.260 --> 39:59.760 Like that 39:59.760 --> 40:00.540 And getting 40:00.540 --> 40:00.860 Everything 40:00.860 --> 40:01.340 Converted 40:01.340 --> 40:01.640 To the 40:01.640 --> 40:02.000 Proper 40:02.000 --> 40:02.560 Bit 40:02.560 --> 40:02.780 Rate 40:02.780 --> 40:03.100 For the 40:03.100 --> 40:03.420 Server 40:03.420 --> 40:04.180 That it 40:04.180 --> 40:04.300 Will 40:04.300 --> 40:04.600 Accept 40:04.600 --> 40:05.120 And run 40:05.120 --> 40:05.880 Smoothly 40:05.880 --> 40:06.900 While at 40:06.900 --> 40:07.200 The same 40:07.200 --> 40:07.480 Time 40:07.480 --> 40:07.700 Not 40:07.700 --> 40:08.580 Completely 40:08.580 --> 40:09.080 Sucking 40:09.080 --> 40:09.420 All of 40:09.420 --> 40:09.540 My 40:09.540 --> 40:09.960 Bandwidth 40:09.960 --> 40:10.220 Out 40:10.220 --> 40:10.540 So 40:10.540 --> 40:11.700 I am 40:11.700 --> 40:11.920 Still 40:11.920 --> 40:12.220 Working 40:12.220 --> 40:12.580 On it 40:12.580 --> 40:12.840 As soon 40:12.840 --> 40:13.100 As I 40:13.100 --> 40:13.280 Have 40:13.280 --> 40:13.520 That up 40:13.520 --> 40:13.760 And ready 40:13.760 --> 40:14.160 I'll post 40:14.160 --> 40:14.360 It in 40:14.360 --> 40:14.700 The site 40:14.700 --> 40:14.960 And in 40:14.960 --> 40:15.400 The forums 40:15.400 --> 40:16.580 And make 40:16.580 --> 40:16.740 Sure 40:16.740 --> 40:17.180 Everybody's 40:17.180 --> 40:17.420 Aware 40:17.420 --> 40:17.740 Of it 40:17.740 --> 40:18.880 We're 40:18.880 --> 40:19.040 Still 40:19.040 --> 40:19.280 Going to 40:19.280 --> 40:19.640 Go on 40:19.640 --> 40:19.840 Rant 40:19.840 --> 40:20.160 Radio 40:20.160 --> 40:20.520 That's 40:20.520 --> 40:20.720 Not 40:20.720 --> 40:20.860 Going 40:20.860 --> 40:20.960 To 40:20.960 --> 40:21.280 Change 40:21.280 --> 40:21.440 But 40:21.440 --> 40:21.600 We'll 40:21.600 --> 40:21.740 Just 40:21.740 --> 40:22.000 Probably 40:22.000 --> 40:22.180 Be 40:22.180 --> 40:22.520 Streaming 40:22.520 --> 40:22.620 The 40:22.620 --> 40:22.760 Show 40:22.760 --> 40:23.060 Live 40:23.060 --> 40:23.220 On 40:23.220 --> 40:23.480 Two 40:23.480 --> 40:23.920 Stations 40:23.920 --> 40:24.080 It'll 40:24.080 --> 40:24.160 Be 40:24.160 --> 40:24.300 Kind 40:24.300 --> 40:24.380 Of 40:24.380 --> 40:24.480 A 40:24.480 --> 40:24.880 Backup 40:24.880 --> 40:25.100 Since 40:25.100 --> 40:25.220 I 40:25.220 --> 40:25.340 Had 40:25.340 --> 40:25.460 Some 40:25.460 --> 40:25.880 Problems 40:25.880 --> 40:26.040 With 40:26.040 --> 40:26.220 Rant 40:26.220 --> 40:26.520 Radio 40:26.520 --> 40:26.760 Once 40:26.760 --> 40:26.880 Or 40:26.880 --> 40:27.220 Twice 40:27.220 --> 40:27.920 So 40:27.920 --> 40:28.040 It 40:28.040 --> 40:28.160 Just 40:28.160 --> 40:28.340 Gives 40:28.340 --> 40:28.460 Us 40:28.460 --> 40:28.580 A 40:28.580 --> 40:28.940 Backup 40:28.940 --> 40:29.080 In 40:29.080 --> 40:29.240 Case 40:29.240 --> 40:29.380 The 40:29.380 --> 40:29.600 First 40:29.600 --> 40:29.740 One 40:29.740 --> 40:29.960 Goes 40:29.960 --> 40:30.280 Down 40:30.280 --> 40:31.520 And 40:31.520 --> 40:31.840 Like I 40:31.840 --> 40:32.000 Said 40:32.000 --> 40:32.180 Gives 40:32.180 --> 40:32.300 Us 40:32.300 --> 40:32.520 All 40:32.520 --> 40:33.040 Streaming 40:33.040 --> 40:33.420 Hacking 40:33.420 --> 40:33.640 All 40:33.640 --> 40:33.760 The 40:33.760 --> 40:34.040 Time 40:34.040 --> 40:35.200 So 40:35.200 --> 40:35.640 I've 40:35.640 --> 40:35.860 Also 40:35.860 --> 40:36.080 Been 40:36.080 --> 40:36.380 Working 40:36.380 --> 40:36.740 On 40:36.740 --> 40:36.940 Just 40:36.940 --> 40:37.280 Updating 40:37.280 --> 40:37.440 The 40:37.440 --> 40:37.680 Server 40:37.680 --> 40:37.880 In 40:37.880 --> 40:38.240 General 40:38.240 --> 40:38.580 We 40:38.580 --> 40:38.960 Upgraded 40:38.960 --> 40:39.100 The 40:39.100 --> 40:39.520 Kernel 40:39.520 --> 40:39.780 On 40:39.780 --> 40:39.920 The 40:39.920 --> 40:40.060 Bin 40:40.060 --> 40:40.260 Rev 40:40.260 --> 40:40.660 Server 40:40.660 --> 40:41.320 So 40:41.320 --> 40:41.920 Got 40:41.920 --> 40:42.040 A 40:42.040 --> 40:42.200 New 40:42.200 --> 40:42.700 Secure 40:42.700 --> 40:43.320 Kernel 40:43.320 --> 40:43.580 So 40:43.580 --> 40:43.760 Any 40:43.760 --> 40:43.900 Of 40:43.900 --> 40:43.940 You 40:43.940 --> 40:44.140 Guys 40:44.140 --> 40:44.260 That 40:44.260 --> 40:44.340 Have 40:44.340 --> 40:44.540 Been 40:44.540 --> 40:45.320 Footprinting 40:45.320 --> 40:45.660 You 40:45.660 --> 40:45.800 Gotta 40:45.800 --> 40:46.100 Start 40:46.100 --> 40:46.420 Over 40:46.420 --> 40:47.680 Testing 40:47.680 --> 40:47.900 Some 40:47.900 --> 40:48.060 New 40:48.060 --> 40:48.420 Features 40:48.420 --> 40:48.760 Blah 40:48.760 --> 40:49.020 Blah 40:49.020 --> 40:49.300 Blah 40:49.300 --> 40:49.620 Blah 40:49.620 --> 40:50.340 But 40:50.340 --> 40:51.340 What 40:51.340 --> 40:51.700 I 40:51.700 --> 40:51.900 Think 40:51.900 --> 40:52.220 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--> 49:54.320 I 49:54.320 --> 49:54.360 I 50:14.380 --> 50:14.820 I 50:14.820 --> 50:14.840 I 50:14.840 --> 50:18.060 I 50:18.060 --> 50:31.000 I 50:31.000 --> 50:32.460 I 50:32.460 --> 50:40.180 I 50:40.180 --> 50:42.480 I 50:42.480 --> 50:42.560 I 50:42.620 --> 50:43.680 I 50:44.000 --> 50:44.260 I 50:44.260 --> 50:49.160 rolls royce the front end looks like a mac truck i am not kidding it looks like a mac truck's grill 50:49.160 --> 50:53.600 on this rolls royce and there's probably we'll put it up in the show notes also there's probably a 50:53.600 --> 50:58.400 website for that detroit auto show i don't know what it is offhand and you can usually see pictures 50:58.400 --> 51:03.420 and videos sometimes of what they have a lot of a lot of neat things uh toyota actually launched 51:03.420 --> 51:08.140 a new line you know so there's toyota's mid-range they have a lexus which is a higher range they've 51:08.140 --> 51:14.420 launched a new line that's called scion s-c-i-o-n yep scion and uh scion means a descendant of like 51:14.420 --> 51:20.520 the scion of shanara if anyone's read those stories uh anyway and i saw one says shanara or shanara 51:20.520 --> 51:26.040 shanara i always thought it was shanara but i got a i got one of the uh audios of the books on tape 51:26.040 --> 51:32.920 and they said shanara the whole time so oh okay figured i was wrong uh but anyway the uh uh so i 51:32.920 --> 51:38.760 saw one of these in phoenix before i left and you know how the honda element looks bad oh yeah i 51:38.760 --> 51:44.580 think that's a box on wheels okay this uh this this sign as i found out it's a scion but it looks 51:44.580 --> 51:51.060 literally like a cracker box on wheels i was reminded of the yugo oh no that's not good oh yeah very very 51:51.060 --> 51:55.700 square anti-aerodynamic like the board cube you know floating through space well imagine driving one 51:55.700 --> 52:00.100 of those things down the road they did have another car you know another scion there that looked okay but 52:00.100 --> 52:05.180 you know everyone's going for this suv crap i know i know the other interesting thing that was 52:05.180 --> 52:10.620 there and i got to see in person you couldn't go in it in that but uh it's uh uh an urban car from 52:10.620 --> 52:17.680 germany and the website is smart.com it's called the smart car and get this it's a two-seater doesn't 52:17.680 --> 52:21.920 make any pretext about having a back seat but here's how small it is again just designed for 52:21.920 --> 52:26.280 driving in the city it's probably like a two-cylinder engine or something like that instead of parallel 52:26.280 --> 52:32.780 parking you can nose in this thing in a regular parking space like on a street and and be clear 52:32.780 --> 52:38.060 of the street and they have various configurations in that i mean this thing gets like 80 miles to the 52:38.060 --> 52:43.260 gallon or something uh that was actually on the edge of the mercedes uh booth i guess mercedes has 52:43.260 --> 52:48.240 something to do with these guys and that but lots of lots of interesting things lots of people uh 52:48.240 --> 52:53.600 lots of lots of good stuff probably the most uh technologically advanced car if we you know 52:53.600 --> 53:00.480 trying to wrap it back into technology is um the toyota prius the hybrid car yes we talked about 53:00.480 --> 53:05.300 that on previous episodes that is a very nice automobile yeah bluetooth enabled you know so 53:05.300 --> 53:08.760 if you have a bluetooth cell phone you can you don't even have to unplug her and do anything 53:08.760 --> 53:12.480 all this other stuff in that and i guess honda and i just saw it i didn't see it there but i guess 53:12.480 --> 53:20.040 honda announced that they've got honda has their uh uh insight uh the the little hybrid one last 53:20.040 --> 53:27.360 year they came out with a hybrid civic uh 2000 i guess for the 2005 year which uh calendar year 53:27.360 --> 53:34.040 which means like the october 2004 they're going to have a hybrid uh accord that was pretty cool too 53:34.040 --> 53:40.100 yeah i know they do have a hybrid civic that they just released this past one i believe yep uh in 53:40.100 --> 53:46.060 addition to they do have a a hybrid line yeah well the honda insight was for their first yeah i'm 53:46.060 --> 53:50.420 sorry you're right insight that's what it was yep so yep they're they're going to start mixing it 53:50.420 --> 53:54.640 into their model lines it's not just a line itself anymore they're going to start mixing it into the 53:54.640 --> 54:00.120 model lines and it's they're supposed to also be working on the hydrogen cell uh vehicle and they 54:00.120 --> 54:04.700 they have it they can work now to four below which wouldn't help people in the uh midwest right now 54:04.700 --> 54:09.360 wouldn't be able to use it because it's with the windchill it's colder than that but uh you know 54:09.360 --> 54:14.480 hydrogen fuel cells is is very cool technology and i'm sure you probably talked about this before 54:14.480 --> 54:20.460 but uh toshiba is looking at and they actually they actually have some prototypes of that they 54:20.460 --> 54:25.560 expect to have about i think this this year uh laptops that will run on hydrogen fuel cells 54:25.560 --> 54:30.600 and the faa has approved the use of these hydrogen fuel cells to be taken into airplanes 54:30.600 --> 54:34.500 so you'll have a thing about the size of a big lighter that you'll pop out 54:34.500 --> 54:40.800 pop another little cartridge in and keep going and keep computing so that big old heavy battery and 54:40.800 --> 54:43.660 all the space it took up and all the weight it gave you is going to be going bye-bye 54:43.660 --> 54:47.520 very very interesting very interesting news indeed 54:47.520 --> 54:54.540 all right well let's um boy we've been we we can go you and i you know that 54:54.540 --> 54:56.560 wind us up point us in direction we'll talk forever 54:56.560 --> 55:00.800 i'll tell you what boy we're running out here um let's skip ahead 55:00.800 --> 55:07.300 and let's go cover a few more of these 101 ways to save the internet 55:07.300 --> 55:12.820 which i think you've been following i'm not sure if you're caught up completely on the show i know 55:12.820 --> 55:19.360 how that is but it's 101 it's an article from wired magazine 101 basically 101 complaints pitches and 55:19.360 --> 55:24.840 complaints about problems with the internet and potential solutions and kind of just go through 55:24.840 --> 55:29.440 them and talk about whether we agree whether they're feasible whether they're good idea bad 55:29.440 --> 55:37.280 idea that type of stuff and we ended last week with number 41 and uh and earlier i cleared up the 55:37.280 --> 55:45.740 fandango which i think was 35 yeah 35 here so we're going to start today with number 42 does that sound 55:45.740 --> 55:51.080 cool with you sounds good to me all right this could and this we may get stuck on 42 knowing the way you 55:51.080 --> 55:58.420 and i talk but let's see how we go here uh number 42 says replace servers with p2p or peer-to-peer 55:58.420 --> 56:05.740 too many network services domain names web servers email rely on the old client server model which is 56:05.740 --> 56:14.740 vulnerable to attack well i'm not sure it appears vulnerable to attack well i think there and obviously 56:14.740 --> 56:21.180 part of it is there's no centralized uh system to attack first of all right and if you look at 56:21.180 --> 56:26.840 something like bit torn which breaks something up into shards uh but i think it's the term they call 56:26.840 --> 56:31.500 it it kind of models the internet you know if you think back to your you know history of computing 101 56:31.500 --> 56:36.560 type of thing you remember that so you know the arpanet uh was originally which grew into the internet 56:36.560 --> 56:44.520 was originally developed uh to withstand a nuclear attack so if one point in the in the arpanet was 56:44.520 --> 56:50.880 bombed by those godless commies who are now our friends by the way but anyway uh so if there was 56:50.880 --> 56:55.560 something to be attacked a central point to be attacked the system could figure out and route 56:55.560 --> 57:00.940 around that that's how routers that's how everything works well a lot of these peer-to-peer types of 57:00.940 --> 57:04.380 things as well you know thinking specifically like a bit torrent because i've been playing with that a lot 57:04.380 --> 57:11.220 lately if you know i'm sharing something you know i've got the latest uh iso for novix and uh you know 57:11.220 --> 57:17.640 stank down starts downloading it from me stank will automatically his uh his client will set up 57:17.640 --> 57:21.480 and it'll start sharing for someone else so when dual wants to pick it up he'll be getting some from 57:21.480 --> 57:25.520 me and some from stank obviously he can't get anything from stank that stank doesn't have 57:25.520 --> 57:31.640 but as we go through this the more people we have sharing it as we decentralize this control 57:31.640 --> 57:36.740 if you know once someone else has a full copy of it if i shut mine down it really doesn't affect 57:36.740 --> 57:41.360 things yeah it may make it a little bit slower but there's no central point of control no central 57:41.360 --> 57:47.000 single point of failure right well and it's safer from that aspect but at the same time it comes with 57:47.000 --> 57:53.120 its own problems as well peer-to-peer has problems with with well let's be frank there's viruses that 57:53.120 --> 57:58.960 are spread via the peer-to-peer because it's a self-policing community and you don't know you have 57:58.960 --> 58:04.200 to trust a lot of sources from people that you don't know now again that is something that's innate to 58:04.200 --> 58:10.580 the to the topography but you know there are it's just a different type of danger and that's just 58:10.580 --> 58:17.780 one you know that's there's going to be security problems their their their logic of whether one's 58:17.780 --> 58:22.200 more or less vulnerable to attack i mean everything is vulnerable to attack so i would debate the logic 58:22.200 --> 58:28.560 of it however yes the point of centralized versus decentralized it's still a it could be a good 58:28.560 --> 58:35.720 movement but i don't know the reality of that people want to see the thing is people want control 58:35.720 --> 58:40.720 and corporations and companies don't want decentralized they want everything under their 58:40.720 --> 58:46.240 reign of control they don't want to share and obviously uh and you have a very good point there 58:46.240 --> 58:52.180 because certain things you know you have to get from one centralized place because you know you have 58:52.180 --> 58:57.780 authenticity non-repudiation all you know putting all those issues aside but some things do not 58:57.780 --> 59:03.400 lend itself very well to a peer-to-peer type of approach or security of a centralized thing 59:03.400 --> 59:09.820 because you know again the viruses the changing of the data you know who can you trust all that 59:09.820 --> 59:15.160 type of thing so it's not the you can't get rid of servers at least you know nothing i've seen or 59:15.160 --> 59:22.040 read about or or uh you know have seen anything of the uh uh you know the the futurist thinking kind 59:22.040 --> 59:25.640 of people i don't see anything that's going to replace that i don't think peer-to-peer is what's going to do 59:25.640 --> 59:31.700 it no no and and just there are solutions to even those things there's checksums that you can use 59:31.700 --> 59:37.480 to verify files and data as being valid stuff like that but that's a little too technical and and 59:37.480 --> 59:44.360 frankly complex for most typical users so but even i don't see that as a proper solution and go ahead 59:44.360 --> 59:47.980 with what you're going to say it's the same thing if you built even if you built that all that in and 59:47.980 --> 59:53.540 had a pki public key infrastructure all built in let's you know let's face it md5 is going to be 59:53.540 --> 01:00:00.500 cracked relatively soon okay uh rsa that that's good basically i think in my research as i've as 01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:06.680 i found out uh for anything for military grade usage they say if it's uh if they can get what 01:00:06.680 --> 01:00:12.640 is it i think it's 10 to 20 years out of it so if it would take if if with more's law on that 01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:17.460 if uh the computing horsepower in 10 to 20 years is not going to be able to in a reasonable length 01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:21.720 of time and i don't know how they define that but it's not going to be able to break uh you know 01:00:21.720 --> 01:00:28.880 like the rsa cryptography then it's viable so as as we get more powerful computers you know let 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:33.220 alone you know 64 bit okay it's still you know standard kind of stuff i don't know if we get into 01:00:33.220 --> 01:00:39.520 quantum computing eventually you know then it goes up by a whole uh order of magnitude right uh so you 01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:43.280 know we can you can do those things you can build into the client so we'll automatically look at the 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:47.420 checksums and look at the md5s and all that other type of stuff that some of that stuff can be 01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:53.380 made transparent to the user but uh again you know it's not going to answer everything yeah 01:00:53.380 --> 01:01:02.620 and it's a long ways off absolutely all right uh number 43 uh unleash unleash i guess this is kind 01:01:02.620 --> 01:01:10.480 of a funny one unleash jeff bezos rock star now jeff okay come on jeff you can build a better music 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:16.480 store than that dude in the black turtleneck or mr bill now jeff bezos is of course uh amazon.com 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:23.220 ceo am i correct right so i guess that's just a nod to amazon saying they may have dropped the ball 01:01:23.220 --> 01:01:28.400 lost it to uh some other people i'm not sure who the dude in the black turtleneck refers to do you 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:35.220 jeff jobs oh yeah of course oh yeah i should have caught that one speaking of which i gotta throw 01:01:35.220 --> 01:01:40.640 this into another uh little tidbit off of slash dot this day in history uh no no off of slash dot 01:01:40.640 --> 01:01:48.340 no go ahead bill gates the queen of england is going to knight him oh yeah yeah somebody mentioned 01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:51.860 that in the forums as a matter of fact no it's like wait a minute first of all hey liz if you're 01:01:51.860 --> 01:01:57.020 listening okay first of all he's not a british subject you've lost the war you can't really give 01:01:57.020 --> 01:02:01.060 him a knighthood i know you can give an honorary knighthood but it was supposed to be for you know 01:02:01.060 --> 01:02:06.240 improving the global economy can you say are you igniting him because he's made a global monopoly 01:02:06.240 --> 01:02:11.460 you know so liz come on think about it again you gave it to mick jagger all right paul mccartney i 01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:16.000 can see mick jagger man didn't osby osborne just get knighted or something too i mean he's giving 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.940 these things away like uh you know toasters at a at a uh your local bank it's like it's not going 01:02:21.940 --> 01:02:27.360 to mean anything anymore it's like having a star on the walk of fame you know there you go sir bill 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:32.120 oh great great i thought you were going to mention that uh what was the 20th anniversary 01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:37.540 you were talking about earlier 20th anniversary of uh the original mac on uh on january 24th 1984 01:02:37.540 --> 01:02:43.300 that's when it was officially announced remember the uh big dramatic commercial too 1984 with the 01:02:43.300 --> 01:02:47.300 woman running in with the hammer wasn't it yep yep at the screen in fact that commercial was only 01:02:47.300 --> 01:02:52.560 ever shown on the on tv just once it's running around on the internet forever but it was only shown 01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:57.200 just once on the super bowl that year yep yep there and you know what isn't it so funny 01:02:57.200 --> 01:03:02.040 to be shown once to be a legendary commercial it's not driven down your throat over and over again 01:03:02.040 --> 01:03:06.620 like the budweiser commercials and stuff yeah hey i still miss the talking frogs yeah well you know 01:03:06.620 --> 01:03:11.800 who doesn't what about the lizards yeah lizards they can live without but and the ferret oh the the 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:16.920 ferret needed to die yeah they've run out of talking animals yeah yeah anyway off on a tangent like 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:25.060 we do uh number 44 publish creative commons for dummies the open copyright licensing system is pure 01:03:25.060 --> 01:03:28.780 genius but you need to be a genius to use it 01:03:28.780 --> 01:03:32.240 hmm well first of all i mean 01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:36.240 let's let's talk about getting some publicity out there for it 01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:42.340 you know most people don't know about it uh you're starting to see a few things around on websites about 01:03:42.340 --> 01:03:47.280 it now if you haven't gone to it's creativecommons.org right next i believe so is it one word 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:52.240 yeah i'll try it here as we're talking but and we'll put it up in the show notes just to confirm for 01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:58.440 everyone uh so if you if you haven't gone to basically what it is and and unlike some 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:03.760 corporate entities would like you to think it's not saying download copyright matter of fact it's 01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:10.000 built on copyright it's saying that the person or company that that creates something has the choice 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:16.600 of how it can be used most people choose up until this point commercial companies and all that 01:04:16.600 --> 01:04:23.180 choose to retain the copyright all rights reserved well what creative commons does is allow you the 01:04:23.180 --> 01:04:29.220 creator of an original piece of something to choose how that's going to be used you may say yeah 01:04:29.220 --> 01:04:34.040 everyone can use it that's fine you may say everyone can use it but they have to say i made it or 01:04:34.040 --> 01:04:38.580 everyone can use it but they can't change it you have all those choices with creative commons and it 01:04:38.580 --> 01:04:44.880 is creative commons plural.org uh if you go there and click on the little learn more button there's 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:50.500 nice little animations and things but uh i don't know if it's too complex i don't i just think not 01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:55.380 enough people know about it yeah that they insinuate that like it says here you need to be a genius to 01:04:55.380 --> 01:05:00.000 use it i don't know about all that but um well they have they have a wizard there that you click on 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.040 and say okay what do you want to do with this what do you want to do about that they have a wizard to 01:05:04.040 --> 01:05:08.280 fill it out for you and it'll tell you this is the kind of license you want what more do you need 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:14.340 yeah i actually would need to read more about that myself that's one of those things i have bookmarked 01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:20.780 to finish reading one day and and i need to do and what's the next one we're moving pretty good 01:05:20.780 --> 01:05:26.660 well we made it through three i think actually we're going to make it through 50 at least uh okay 01:05:26.660 --> 01:05:33.940 number 45 is very short and sweet verisign must die agreed there is no there's not even a blurb 01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:40.460 after it it's just the header yes next i agree next point well actually i want to add one minor 01:05:40.460 --> 01:05:46.180 thing like one of the first articles i ever wrote was bashing verisign and pointing out tons of flaws 01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:53.920 and how much i hated them and how they it was an art and it never got published anywhere by anybody i 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:58.560 submitted it to several different places maybe because it wasn't written well but i really think 01:05:58.560 --> 01:06:04.180 more so because nobody at the time was scared to touch it i don't know if it was a controversial 01:06:04.180 --> 01:06:07.440 thing or if it just sucked but i just want to throw that out there one of the first things 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:14.000 and i've been preaching for years how much they suck and how much i hate them so yes verisign must die 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:23.840 number 46 free the beeb and for those of you who don't know the beeb the bbc is dragging its feet 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:31.040 on a plan to put its vast archives online come on chaps it's your best idea since monty python 01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:37.400 well they already licensed all the monty python content to uh comedy central but and by the way 01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:42.600 for the record speaking of dvd collections i do have every uh monty python episode the whole dvd 01:06:42.600 --> 01:06:48.120 17 dvd set but yeah i look at it every time i go in or see it but it's just a little pricey for me 01:06:48.120 --> 01:06:53.720 oh man you gotta go for it i know i know it's good stuff but yeah that's that's on my wish list 01:06:53.720 --> 01:07:01.860 um but the thing is the bbc has such rich content and and has so much it'd be well there's not even 01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:06.080 i'm not even going to try drawing the comparison to any of the american broadcast television things 01:07:06.080 --> 01:07:11.620 because it's it's commercial the bbc obviously they have commercials in that too but it's just 01:07:11.620 --> 01:07:16.340 i think it's a different animal i don't know if you'd agree with that stank or not well i have i have 01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:21.800 one of my all-time favorite shows ever on any network and anything is is red dwarf i have all the 01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:27.960 red dwarf episodes on videotape and they're up to uh uh season two on dvd right now which i've also 01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:33.820 purchased so yeah they've got and they make documentaries that are just to die for i mean 01:07:33.820 --> 01:07:38.860 some of their document like i don't know if you've ever seen walking with dinosaurs oh yeah oh my god 01:07:38.860 --> 01:07:46.800 it's just amazing it's just uh i don't you know they they make a lot of really good stuff uh george 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.920 or well a life in pictures i don't know if listeners have seen that nick 84 actually hooked me up with 01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:57.020 that i guess i guess the closest thing you could kind of come to it's kind of a cross between pbs 01:07:57.020 --> 01:08:00.980 public broadcast system here in the states and commercial television because they have 01:08:00.980 --> 01:08:05.620 advertisements and they have regular comedy series and they have multiple channels and that but 01:08:05.620 --> 01:08:11.780 they have such a rich content history you know for 100 year old images and all that type of thing 01:08:11.780 --> 01:08:16.680 and that's what they're saying if that can be put online uh that would just enrich you know 01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:21.060 the everything available to the world well if as long as we're going to make a soup of what it's 01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:27.780 like i'd throw in pbs and but i'd also throw in discovery and tlc in there you know a lot of channels 01:08:27.780 --> 01:08:33.560 and the it really is kind of a combination of all of it yeah um and there's something kind of similar 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:37.720 already has been done a bit and it's with old tv commercials and that matter of fact they even saw 01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:42.420 one of the uh i don't know if you played with winamp five but you know you can have a view the 01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:48.800 the video content through winamp now i refuse to go above winamp 2.91 oh two five five is killer 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:53.720 what they did they they uh they took through two the two code and the three code and they merged 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:58.960 two plus three equals five it's worth it definitely worth it check it out well i might check it out on 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:03.120 my work system but yeah but anyway i don't have high expectations for it i gotta be honest with you 01:09:03.120 --> 01:09:09.360 but i'll try to be give it a shot since you endorse it yeah well three sucked okay oh yes it's so badly 01:09:09.360 --> 01:09:13.620 that that's the reason i don't even want to look at five right but they they were some cool features 01:09:13.620 --> 01:09:19.580 in there so they took out those cool features rewrote it to the the 2.x code base and rather than 01:09:19.580 --> 01:09:24.920 calling it four because three was such a debacle they called it five two plus three equals five anyway 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:31.380 um so there was getting back to trying to get it back to the point here is that um uh if you go to 01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:35.300 archive.org they have like old television commercials and everything there's there's some 01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:41.000 cool stuff there i mean i think even they i think they even have like edison's original uh films that 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.180 he shot and all this stuff all that old stuff that's fallen into the public domain and that 01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:52.860 is available to you at archive.org so imagine if that rich content of almost you know a hundred years 01:09:52.860 --> 01:10:00.540 of film and television that the bbc has and again think of it like pbs and broadcast television and 01:10:00.540 --> 01:10:05.840 and all the best of cable tv discovery channels and history channel put that all online that is 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:12.720 such that would be such a great contribution to you know just the the the cultural level of of data 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:17.700 that's available to the world yeah but you know you can't help but wonder it's all about the money i'm 01:10:17.700 --> 01:10:23.040 buying uh red dwarf dvds and apparently so are others and if they make this freely available online 01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:27.760 you know that's probably what is holding it back or making them drag their feet i'm sure there's some 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:33.460 executive somewhere that's you know using that as their well take take out all the money pythons 01:10:33.460 --> 01:10:37.500 and the red dwarfs and the doctor who's and you know the hitchhiker's guide of the universe take 01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:41.240 all those things out and leave them out for now but you know let's set everything else free don't 01:10:41.240 --> 01:10:47.820 at least get yeah at least get started right all right number 47 another short one with no 01:10:47.820 --> 01:10:54.900 explanation it just simply says upgrade phone booths to wi-fi he started doing that in uh well in new 01:10:54.900 --> 01:11:01.340 york i think in canada as well yeah and we talked about that a long time ago how you know wi-fi was 01:11:01.340 --> 01:11:07.360 taking off and sometimes we're we were equating the number of phone booths disappearing versus the 01:11:07.360 --> 01:11:12.640 number of internet kiosks growing so it kind of we've kind of talked about that so i don't think 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:17.800 there's too much more to say um and i gotta honest i'm reading some of these for the first time 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:22.300 myself so i'm this is all off the cuff here and i know you haven't seen it because it's sitting in 01:11:22.300 --> 01:11:25.940 front of me so i did kind of read through the article but i don't remember each point yeah 01:11:25.940 --> 01:11:34.360 um number 48 free rob glazer glazer g-l-a-s-e-r he's the uh he's the former microsoft guy that 01:11:34.360 --> 01:11:40.760 started real networks oh the barrage of pop-ups that clutter the screen when we try to use real one 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:47.220 can only be a cry for help geek guru glazer is being held hostage by his own marketing department 01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:53.780 it was it was pretty bad you would install something and you'd have to like go 47 clicks 01:11:53.780 --> 01:12:00.200 in to make sure you didn't get some kind of little advertising pop-up stuff yeah i i hate real i always 01:12:00.200 --> 01:12:04.460 have and i always will but you know they've started going more for the light side of things first of 01:12:04.460 --> 01:12:09.240 all it's not too bad anymore it's not it's not too bad to not have all the advertising in but they 01:12:09.240 --> 01:12:14.400 released all that uh source code that i don't know exactly which license if it's gpl and that but for 01:12:14.400 --> 01:12:21.360 helix and so that's now you know freely available for any operating system you know linux and osx and 01:12:21.360 --> 01:12:26.400 anything else that anyone's working on so they are starting to uh more embrace the thing and i think 01:12:26.400 --> 01:12:31.840 that's because uh as they're you know finding out as they're trying to compete with microsoft that you 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:38.440 know the the juggernaut that is microsoft uh obviously real networks had the the jump on it but 01:12:38.440 --> 01:12:44.040 um they they've i think they've seen that to to successfully compete against microsoft you have 01:12:44.040 --> 01:12:48.880 to give stuff away and i mean completely give it away not just make it no charge you have to 01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:53.760 completely open up the kimono and give everybody everything yep open the kimono that's a good uh 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:58.680 visual there that's a little little side note here too i've said it a few times in that but it was i 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:07.080 think it was about 1990 probably about 1991 i almost invented streaming audio another story i 01:13:07.080 --> 01:13:10.600 almost invented it i came up with the idea and we're working on it now and i just kind of let it 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:15.160 drop so but anyway i you could it could be free racks almost with my real name there could be free 01:13:15.160 --> 01:13:20.680 racks you know for the from all the pop-up stuff but anyway that's why we record early we could have 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:26.840 edited that um yeah i invented hyperlinking too by the way just thought i'd throw that out oh doug engelbart 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:32.280 did that in 1968 all right and he has a patent on it yeah and you were how old in 68 um i was 01:13:32.280 --> 01:13:37.960 negative three you weren't even a twinkle in your daddy's eye okay exactly i don't think i ever was 01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:43.560 but that's a whole nother story uh number four okay we're going to go through 51 52 starts a new little 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:49.640 subsection so we're going to do a couple three more here number 49 mesh networks everywhere if 01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:54.760 wireless signals could hop from gadget to gadget we wouldn't have to hunt for hot spots there was 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:59.800 something i was reading in the uk they were putting what was it with street lights they were 01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:05.880 putting like uh repeaters for wi-fi and that's how they were going to get broadband out into the the 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:13.480 the sticks you know the booney dock boondock areas and stuff uh well i'm not sure when you say repeat 01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:19.240 i'm not sure that's what they're going for here but i mean basically every if i understand it right 01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:23.960 in the mesh network every node is a is a repeater so it can it cleans up regenerate the signal and 01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:30.520 allows it literally builds that mesh over the over the you know well that's sounds like what you're 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:36.200 talking about more describes the canopy the wi-fi canopy that everybody dreams about um as far as 01:14:36.200 --> 01:14:41.320 coverage area this more sounds like with the mesh networks is talking about hopping from gadget to 01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:47.320 gadget security wise i would say this will never work but i think what they're saying is you and i 01:14:47.320 --> 01:14:53.720 both have cell phones i can send even let's say where i'm not in a um area of where there is 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:59.320 coverage but i can send a message and it would see your gadget individually like almost like a bluetooth 01:14:59.320 --> 01:15:06.200 type thing and yes i can't get out but i can get one step closer and then you walk into new york city 01:15:06.200 --> 01:15:11.560 and you happen to get within wi-fi you then transfer it on my behalf i think that's what they're going 01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:16.200 with here that the signal can travel from person to person item to item until you finally get 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:21.720 into internet neighborhood or internet coverage i think is what they're trying to insinuate with 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:28.120 here which in a dream world would be wonderful but the security implications like i said are just 01:15:28.120 --> 01:15:34.280 mind-numbing and b bandwidth and oh there's just way too many logistical nightmares for this 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:39.480 well on top of that i mean let's let's even get we were talking about ip version 4 versus version 6 01:15:39.480 --> 01:15:45.960 let's let's face it ip version 4 is is back from you know the the hippie days of things in the late 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:53.880 60s where everyone trusted everybody right you know it was the uh uh you know the the it was used by 01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:59.560 academia and that and there was no need for security well right sorry it's a different world we really 01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.280 need to change that underlying infrastructure first i mean that's why email is broken and everything so we 01:16:04.280 --> 01:16:09.240 we have to change that first before any mess type of thing will come come to life all right but it 01:16:09.240 --> 01:16:15.800 is it's a good idea way down the road way way way way down the road but yeah the real yeah it's 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:20.120 definitely after ipv6 before it could even be thought of again i think it's way too early 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:26.360 and then again the security but anyway yeah that's i don't think that's too realistic right now 01:16:26.360 --> 01:16:35.160 now um number 50 oh you'll love this one speaking of the big w number 50 add a broadband department to 01:16:35.160 --> 01:16:40.680 walmart you've put every local hardware store out of business how about the cable guy and the phone 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:46.840 company next well you know sam walton was uh pretty good uh buddies with bill gates you know they were 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:51.240 playing uh they used to play bridge together you know i don't know how you're going to feel about me 01:16:51.240 --> 01:16:59.560 making the statement but i happen to think that walmart was great was perfectly fine when sam walton was 01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:06.600 in charge but when sam walton was around it's since sam walton died that walmart has turned into the 01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:12.920 the monster that it is today can i draw a similar parallel by please by all means uh 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:19.640 the disney corporation after walt disney died yeah yeah that's a very good they put an accountant in 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:26.280 charge you know uh even even they've got friends in the streets things through the grapevine even like 01:17:26.280 --> 01:17:32.680 the little uh you know stuffed animals and stuff that that you get from uh disneyland or disney world 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:40.200 now uh they've cheapened those down you know and that whole vision and everything else that uh that 01:17:40.200 --> 01:17:46.680 walt had is uh has just has just been perverted well it's all this because it all comes down to the 01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:51.160 bottom line and how many times have i gone on to the soapbox about how money and greed ruins 01:17:52.040 --> 01:17:57.480 things i mean sam walton you know the whole reason that walmart took off and became successful was 01:17:57.480 --> 01:18:05.000 because of his idea of as simple as it sounds providing quality products at a low price 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:12.120 and at the same time it was all about customer service that was the number one key that made walmart 01:18:12.120 --> 01:18:19.000 successful it was always about the customer always you could go back and return anything to walmart you 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:24.360 could go back and any problems that you had they'd work it out it was that was their philosophy whatever 01:18:24.360 --> 01:18:29.560 it takes and we don't serve customers anymore in anything in this world and i'm going to get off the 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.880 soap op now you try to take something back to walmart if anybody's trying to take it back you know you're 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:38.120 not going to take software video games movies any of that back they're not going to take that back they 01:18:38.120 --> 01:18:43.720 refuse well you know the other thing too if uh anyone out there recalls remember the ads where 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:47.960 they used to and this is probably when when sam was still around remember the ads out there where 01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:53.400 there was a walmart was talking about you know made in the usa right all the stuff well you know 01:18:53.400 --> 01:18:58.760 because of their business practices and that let's here's a perfect uh here's a uh you know a prime 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:04.360 example is levi strauss levi and there's there's articles you probably have links to it already 01:19:04.360 --> 01:19:10.920 in that but if not i can get you some as well uh levi strauss no longer manufacturers clothing in 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:18.120 this country it's all outsourced to you know asian third world countries uh because that model was 01:19:18.120 --> 01:19:25.080 all they do is design now and that model was forced on them because walmart said this is the price 01:19:25.080 --> 01:19:31.240 we're going to pay for your things or we will not carry them right and that's disgusting that they 01:19:31.240 --> 01:19:36.760 have that kind of power so you know but it used to be buying the usa right well now walmart has 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:42.040 because their power has forced all these companies to outsource things and where are those jobs going 01:19:42.040 --> 01:19:47.320 by the way you know so you know and then we walk and then we i'm sorry go ahead i didn't mean to 01:19:47.320 --> 01:19:50.920 interrupt you oh so you know you get up in the morning you know you have your uh you know you put on 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:55.560 your uh imported leather shoes and you have all this you know italian leather shoes and all this other 01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:59.960 stuff you get in your german-made car and you you know drive down look look can't you know wonder why 01:19:59.960 --> 01:20:04.360 you can't find a job it's because of the you know globalization is outsourced all these things 01:20:04.360 --> 01:20:09.080 so yeah and and it just makes me i'm sorry i'm so angry i interrupt sometimes i apologize but 01:20:09.080 --> 01:20:13.960 it's so angry that now we're going to complain and whine about why there's no jobs in the usa and how 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:19.640 everything's being outsourced but big corporations like the walmart of the world are pushing this and 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:25.800 making that happen it's all about the benjamin well and i still have the utmost respect for stan 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:29.880 walton and what he started off with and buy american and forcing americans to make better goods 01:20:30.280 --> 01:20:35.240 which i'm sorry i still say is some truth of the matter that i think americans don't make as good 01:20:35.240 --> 01:20:41.000 products sometimes they've improved and walmart and its original philosophy i think helped drive that 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:46.360 and now they've gone in the opposite direction so i i really you know his his big philosophy that i 01:20:46.360 --> 01:20:51.160 always believed and always loved too was it was it's an old saying called eat your own dog food 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:58.360 and he literally and when i say literally he literally did that the line of dog i don't know if it still 01:20:58.360 --> 01:21:04.040 is to this day but they had his line of dog food walmart brand or whatever was called i think it was 01:21:04.040 --> 01:21:12.280 called old roy which was the named after sam walton's dog he named the dog the dog food and he fed the 01:21:12.280 --> 01:21:19.240 dog that same dog food he literally lived by that slogan eat your own dog food buy american support 01:21:19.240 --> 01:21:26.040 american and yeah i'm gonna back off that soapbox too because there's an interesting corollary to 01:21:26.040 --> 01:21:30.200 that though uh as i was reading something online here lately i was talking about actually i think it 01:21:30.200 --> 01:21:36.520 was uh the latest uh robert x kringley article uh you can get that at pbs.org or link out of slash dot 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:42.600 but he's talking about you know this kind of globalization things again he's talking about bmw has a uh a plant in 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:48.280 north carolina and not only does bmw have it to get it you know closer to its market and have less 01:21:48.280 --> 01:21:54.520 shipping costs than that it's actually cheaper for bmw to do business in north carolina in the united 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:59.160 states of america than it is in germany because the way the labor laws and everything are set up did 01:21:59.160 --> 01:22:05.640 you know that for an employee basically a company has to have the government's permission a german 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.760 company has to have the government's permission to have employees work overtime and it's very expensive 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:15.720 to have so it's cheaper the way our laws and things are structured it's cheaper for bmw to build cars 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:22.760 over here and amazing yeah if anybody really is interested i'm not positive i've got this right 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:27.000 but sam walton's book that he wrote before he died which explained a lot of his philosophies i 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:34.120 think it was called made in america if i'm correct so um i will put a link up to that to amazon if 01:22:34.120 --> 01:22:39.160 anybody's interested in the show notes and uh the last one number 51 last one we're going to cover 01:22:39.160 --> 01:22:46.360 tonight because we're way over i'm pretty sure um it's 51 says and while you're at it following up 01:22:46.360 --> 01:22:54.200 on walmart broadband and while you're at it bundle a combo pc dsl cable modem and wireless home router 01:22:54.200 --> 01:23:01.720 for say 299 is that is that reasonable is that realistic you're getting kind of close to some of 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:09.880 that stuff p pc dsl cable modem alone you know can cost you 100 bucks probably oh no no i mean 01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:14.840 you can well if you buy it from like for example if you buy it from bell south my local telco i think 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:19.800 it's 199 well you're you're anyone's insane if they're paying that much well and they are or 01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.560 anything else like the little links is boxes without the wire this is like 49 bucks street 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:28.840 price well i'm talking about just the dsl modem oh the modem itself yeah the dsl modem no oh no 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.520 the wire yeah the links is you can get that for 50 all day long i think i think it would fry 01:23:32.520 --> 01:23:37.400 electronics for 79 bucks now yeah i think you can get it for 50 all day long for the low-end models 01:23:37.400 --> 01:23:43.720 the very cheaply made and after rebate kind of situations but the dsl modem cable modem well 01:23:43.720 --> 01:23:48.520 actually my cable cable modem um is built into the cost of the monthly service you don't have 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:53.320 to pay for it up front it's leased yeah it's like a cable box so which is fine because as long 01:23:53.320 --> 01:23:58.200 as it's still cheaper than the dsl but uh it would be nice to own it you get the economies of scale if 01:23:58.200 --> 01:24:02.760 you start putting that in every machine like cd-rom players right when cd-rom players have been out 01:24:02.760 --> 01:24:06.280 they were they were out for 10 years they were a solution looking for a problem 01:24:07.160 --> 01:24:12.680 and they were too expensive to for individuals to put in well now you can't buy a computer without 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:17.240 a cd-rom player matter of fact it's getting so you can't buy a computer without a cd-rom burner 01:24:17.240 --> 01:24:23.560 so once they start including it on every unit that's made you know even if you if you use it or not 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:27.480 use it you know that's that's kind of your choice if you're not using it obviously you're paying for 01:24:27.480 --> 01:24:32.200 something you're not using but once they can get the the scales of economy to doing that 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:38.680 on the uh you know by by having it in every unit i think they can get it down to that price 01:24:40.360 --> 01:24:45.720 all right well there you have it that's um up to 51 we're about halfway so we still got that to go 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.480 for a little while longer but we're going to close it up today we're way way over i hope we don't 01:24:49.480 --> 01:24:55.000 interrupt into a quarter circle forward uh the show that follows us i hope we're under an hour and a 01:24:55.000 --> 01:25:00.280 half but um let's go to shout outs and actually i'll go ahead and shout out my shouts go to logan 01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:07.560 five i've done that many times does great work and sito 187 who's working on hack tv these guys are 01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:16.040 doing such such great work on on our ddp projects and i have these visions of what i want done and i 01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:20.440 frankly don't have the ability i don't have the artistic talent i don't have the skills to make some of 01:25:20.440 --> 01:25:27.000 this and these guys are not only fulfilling them but enhancing them and driving it even forward 01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:32.120 they're the ones doing clean professional work if i had to do it myself it would end up being not 01:25:32.120 --> 01:25:39.080 nearly as nice wouldn't look as good so my shouts logan five sito 187 great work i have nothing but 01:25:39.080 --> 01:25:44.440 respect and appreciation for what they're doing um why don't you what do you got shout outs this week 01:25:44.440 --> 01:25:50.440 i got shots to uh slip mode who's uh uh kind of coming back into the fold for the 2600 things down 01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:55.800 here he uh he got in touch with the nine volt and got a lot of stuff straightened out so we've got the 01:25:55.800 --> 01:26:02.840 proper information now on az2600 uh so shouts to slip for that and uh also zapper link because he's uh 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:07.000 you know all doing all the kinds of stuff on the site and keeping that going as well plus uh you 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:13.720 know the whole gang out here in phx yep yep shots to them i i second that a lot of you guys got a lot of 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:17.720 good people you really do you got a lot of people that contribute and are active and 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:22.200 matter of fact you know i'm gonna a little bit of thing out of the bag slip mode will probably have 01:26:22.200 --> 01:26:27.400 it on uh on his show in the now but uh uh slip and i were talking the other day about trying to do 01:26:27.400 --> 01:26:32.120 maybe not exactly a conference but trying to do some kind of hacker gathering down in phoenix sometime 01:26:32.680 --> 01:26:36.600 so uh check for that on the boards uh and you know we're going to be we're going to be working 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.280 some ideas and floating some ideas past people too so uh we'll uh we'll uh let you know about that as 01:26:42.280 --> 01:26:46.920 it unravels sounds good sounds good you're gonna put me up if i come out oh yeah you're gonna put 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:51.800 me in a cot somewhere in the basement well yeah we don't have basements out here oh interesting 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:57.080 unless you cuddle up to a cactus oh that sounds even better all right and if you have feedback 01:26:57.080 --> 01:27:03.960 for us send it to radio at binrev.com uh closing music i went back to something i had off mp3.com a 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:08.840 long time ago it's called it's called from someone called pusher man it's called life gets choppy it's 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:15.400 just kind of a nice hip-hop beat nice mellow thing to close out the show and that's gonna do it so 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:20.920 rax you know how we close out the show thank you for being here and let's tell everybody that we're 01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:37.480 going to see them next week same hack time same hack channel 01:27:37.480 --> 01:27:41.240 uh 01:27:57.240 --> 01:27:59.240 so 01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:29.220 Thank you. 01:28:29.240 --> 01:28:59.220 Thank you. 01:28:59.240 --> 01:29:29.220 Thank you. 01:29:29.240 --> 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