This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats
You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the creepers
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIPs
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Hello once again everyone and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode 33, coming to you February 17th, 2004
I am Stankdag once again and I am joined by one of our favorite guests of all time
The one, the only, well the fifth I guess I should say, Logan Five
Gabba Gabba Hey
Gabba Gabba Goo
Oh and just for the record, my milkshake is better than yours
I just wanted to throw that out there
But is it a $5 milkshake?
Oh, you got, you, oh
Alright
Yeah
We have a lot of stuff to talk about today
And it seems like I start every show with that
But I guess that's a good thing
And the way we're going to start it off is to jump straight into email
So do our housekeeping here
First of all, I got another email from Regicide
First of all, correcting the pronunciation
I did kind of have it right
It's Regicide with a J
He was mentioning, he was responding to our talk about TiVo
TiVo last episode
And its ability to watch and track what your viewing habits are
I wanted to let you know that the TiVo is actually a Linux box
Which I didn't know that, I don't have a Linux box
So I didn't know that
So I'm sure there may be a way, not legal
But a way, anyway, to stop them from seeing what you're doing
Don't have one, so I haven't looked into it
Anyway, I'm sure some help may come in a Google search, of course
Everything comes in a Google search
I use a DVR from the cable company
Which pretty much does the same thing
Having to buy equipment and get spied on
When you pay a monthly fee
Well, you don't know if your cable company is spying on you either
Technically, unless you know the insides and outs
But, anyway, just thought you would enjoy some info
Thanks for the show, later
Well, thank you again, Regicide, for the email
I appreciate it
Yeah, I'm in the same boat with you
I don't have a TiVo box
He has a DVR, a digital video recorder
He mentioned from the cable company
I don't know what brand or how those work
Do you have TiVo or any other
I don't have any of it like that
My mom's got one of those DVR recorder things
I think a while back on Screensavers
On Tech TV, they were talking about TiVo being a Linux box
And ways to hack it
I think there's like an older version of the TiVos
That you can do some Linux hacking with
But I'm not 100% sure on that
I remember something, though, on TV that I saw
Interesting, and I wonder if it's TiVo brand
I wonder about the others
Isn't there a Replay TV?
And I think Microsoft has a
I forgot what theirs is called
I think they had one one time
And I know more than that
What I want to do
It's on my list of things to do with everything else
Is just create a PC DVR
Just a dedicated system that I can put in there
And record just to some big hard drives
And record and make my own
Kind of roll your own TiVo
Yeah, there you go
So that's really what I wanted to do
But I just haven't had time to get into that
Then obviously you have a lot more control
And you're recording a signal
And not returning or sending any information out
You kind of would know that ahead of time
You could even, I guess, put on
Well, I don't know that you could send data out
I guess it would depend if you bought
If you bought some canned software
Obviously you don't know what they're sending and receiving
But if you were to completely roll your own
Software included
Then obviously you wouldn't be sending anything whatsoever
So it would be an input only type situation
So you could feel a lot safer
Definitely
Okay, anyway
We have another email from XMafia
Who says
Thanks for mentioning my country's name
You guys are the best
Haven't missed an episode
I'll be making new websites soon
I will be sure your website link will be there
Keep up the good work
He's referring to Dual Parallel on the show last week
By all means
Feel free to put up links to us
Feel free to mention us
You don't, you know
I appreciate you letting me know that
I'm glad that you like the show and everything
But if anybody
And this is speaking generally
Anybody that wants to link
You know, that's what the internet's all about
And hey, all the traffic we can get
We're happy for it
A little Bin Rev link box that they can use
Made by none other than
Who made that?
I don't remember
It was
I don't remember it
It's really cool though
Yeah, it was
Something 5
I'm not sure
So yeah, actually
We encourage people to link to us as much as you want
Obviously
I don't
I hate having to say this
I don't think we have to say this
But
Don't put it anywhere
Where you're going to charge people
Where you're going to
You know
Try to act like this
As you're
You know
Just link to it like a normal person
You know
Be
Be real about it
Don't try to embed
Or put windows within windows
And frames
And stuff like that
Just
Feel free to link to us whenever you want
We
We appreciate anybody that wants to come by and support us
Excellent
He was from Poland
If I ever call
Correct?
I believe that is
The country he is referring to
We mentioned a few of them
But yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the one he was talking about
Because that
We get
A lot of hits from Poland
We really do
That's awesome
As well as
A lot of other countries
I went through a list last time
I bought a lot of our hits
We get a lot of Gov hits
And a lot of Mill hits still
That's a little
A little interesting to see
But
Yeah
We get
A very wide variety of hits
It's really
Really interesting
Hacking is universal
I mean
It really is
You know
It's great to know
That
That people
On the other side of the planet
Can hear us
Yeah
And you know
There's
The fact that they hear us
But the fact that they even know about us
Is just very cool
Another thing that I have a lot of respect for
Is
See I'm not
A linguist
I'm not good with languages
I'm just
I'm terrible about learning
I know a little bit of Spanish
Enough to
Barely get by
These are people
These are people from other countries
That
I guess
Yeah
Maybe some of them do speak English
As well as their native language
Or
Some countries
English is their native language
But others
Most of them are not
So
I mean
The fact that they can
Come
And read English
And you know
Basically
Get not all the
Not only the content
From their own native country
And native languages
And stuff like that
But also come over in English
I can't do the same thing
I can't go over to a German site
Or go over to a Polish
Or go over to
Any other country sites
Dutch
Whatever
And read
Their hacking sites
And their hacking content
Translate it as best I can
But you know
Some of that stuff
Doesn't translate
But there's a lot of good information
There too
Yeah
I'm sure there is
I'm sure there really is
And it's a lot more
Hacking's treated a lot differently
In other countries
They have conventions over there
That are much more
Not
I won't say mainstream
But a lot
Much more accepted
It would appear
Hmm
Anyway
We had one other email
And this was actually
I think we got after the holidays
But I wanted to talk about it
When you were back on the show
Because it was regarding you
And this was from Hitman
And he was sending this to you
It says
Logan 5
As the holidays approach
I wanted to take a moment
To thank you
What the hell for
You might ask
Well I wanted to
Thank you for winning me
Over to the Mac side
Yeah good job
You brainwashed another one
It was a long process
My first computer was a Lisa
Then a flashy 286
Woo
Then it was downhill from there
Into slippery depth
Of the Windows environment
At Linux World
I saw many a person
Toting around power books
And it got me thinking
After listening to Binrev 10
Binrev Radio 10
I was sold and ordered
A lovely 12 inch power book
Everything that I did on Windows
I can do an OS X
Without freezing
And constant rebooting
So yeah good job
You brainwashed another
Welcome from the dark side
My friend
I say we say that
Every time somebody converts
From Windows to Linux as well
Right
And one other thing
And more importantly
And this is
We say this all the time
To you too
But he says
Thanks for all your work
On Binrev Mag
It's still a lot more
It is a lot more stylish
Than that quote
Other hacker magazine
I will look forward
To 1.3
Actually
It's not one
I want to thank him
For taking the time
To write
Definitely
And letting us know
I mean
Number one
He let us know
That he got something
Out of the show
Which no matter
What the subject matter
Is
That's
That's the important thing
Absolutely
And thank you
Thank you
For the props
On the zine
We all worked
Very hard on it
And I think
It definitely shows
In the final
From every level
Of the production
I think it's
Top notch
I absolutely
I know
For a fact
The graphics
Are top notch
I know
The layout
And design
Of it's top notch
There's no doubt
Of that
Well thank you
That's
That's not what I
I mean
I more meant
The content
Well that's
You know
I do have to say
And not to toot
My own horn
Or anything
But I think
We have a good
Complement of skills
You know
That some of us
Have
Are better
You know
I don't mind
Writing
I enjoy
Writing
Actually
So the writing
Part of it
Doesn't really
Intimidate me
Or bother me
So much
It's the graphic
Part of it
And the layout
And the
Imagination
Frankly
Of coming up
With the ideas
And stuff like that
So that's
You know
Those are the skills
That you have a lot
And not to mention
Your writing
Is not too bad either
I just
I re-read
I kid you not
I re-read
Your case modeling
Article again
Last night
I really honestly
Did
And it was
You know
Besides the pictures
And what you did
It was well written
It was a good
You know
It was absolutely
Good work
Thanks
I had a blast
Doing it
And actually
That computer
Is still running
I haven't done
Anything with it
Since I wrote
The article
But
Yeah
I was getting
Ready to say
I still haven't
Gotten it yet
Is it lost
In the mail
Somewhere
Or
Oh the computer
Yeah
Oh I knew
I forgot
Something
That's what
It was
Oh man
Well you know
Since we're
On the topic
Of back
Let's jump
Out of the
Of the
Housekeeping
And jump
Into the
Show and tell
Part
Because I know
You had a new
Toy that you
Go into the
Show and tell
Or speak
And spell
Oh yes
Oh I think
We should
Quickly mention
Though that
The next
Issue of
Bin Rev
Is under
Production
It's actually
Going to be
2.1
Since it's
A new year
Right
I'm starting
Doing some
Of the
Layout work
I've got
Pretty much
All the
Articles
And that
So it
Is coming
But like
Sank and I
Have talked
About in the
Last time I
Was on
We don't do
This full
Time
There's all
These real
World things
That keep
Getting in
The way
But we
Are working
On it
And it's
Going to
Be out
Soon
Okay
You want
To give
Them any
More soon
As in
I would
Say within
Three or
Four weeks
I should
Have everything
Together
Three or
Four weeks
Or any
Natural
Disasters
Well
You know
They happen
You know
They do
Sometimes life
Happens man
It really does
And you know
I'm kind of
Frustrated that I
Hadn't gotten my
2600 as of
Saturday
Sunday
Obviously it's
No mail
I haven't gotten
My current
Issue of 2600
And now I know
What people feel
Like with us
I guess
Because I'm like
Where is
I want to see
It I want to
Read it
You know
Everybody's
Telling me
About what's
In it
And stuff
We do this
All the time
Yeah
See we
Yeah
This is not
Our living
I don't know
If it's theirs
I assume
That really
It is
I guess
I don't know
But yeah
It's I mean
We're doing this
Out of our houses
And we're doing
The best we can
And we'll continue
To do the best we can
As long as we can
Handle it
Hopefully it'll grow
In the future
And we can get
Distributors
And that
That will solve
So many problems
We'll be able
To do subscriptions
In the future
We'll be able
If the magazine
Grows and takes off
But it has to happen
First
It has to go
Anyway
Yeah
That out of the way
You were
You were going to
Talk about
Your new power book
Yes
If anybody
Remembers
The last time
I was on
At 10
At that point
I had just
Has it been that long
Episode 10
Yeah
Man
We got to get you
On more often
Real life
Really did kick you
And flies
Yeah
You really did
Life kicked you
In the nads hard
Didn't it
Oh
Wait
You don't even
Want to know
But anyway
Last time we talked
I mean
I've got a few
I've got a couple
G4's
Desktop
Machines
I've got an iMac
But I did have
An iBook
One of the white
900 megahertz ones
It was a great machine
But it just didn't
Have the guts
To do what I really
Wanted
I wanted to get
Into doing more video
And
It's great for doing
Some basic work
But for really
Crunching video
And
The kind of graphic
Stuff I want to do
It just really
Wasn't cutting it
So I
Bit the bullet
Sold the iBook
And I picked up
My brand new
15 inch power book
On Tuesday
And man
Is it sweet
It's
Unbelievable
I've never touched
Such a nice piece
Of hardware
In my life
And I think
It was
Hack and Flash
On the forum
I was just reading
That yesterday
Or today
Said there was a post
Somebody had a new box
And he
He said something like
You know
There's nothing like
Smell
That fresh smell
Of ripping the plastic
Out of a box
You know
Yeah
It's kind of like
That new car smell
Isn't it
That new car smell
Oh man
Opened in the box
Up in the thing
Seen that nice
Aluminum case in there
Yeah
It's just
And it's got
Everything
I got the
Now what
Yeah
Give us the specs
I got the basic model
There's three different models
They have
Actually there's
Well three different
Levels of the 15 inch
I mean Apple makes
A 12 inch power book
A 15 inch
And a 17 inch
And you again
Got the
I got the
What I call
It's like the
Three little bears
This one was just right
12 inches
Too small
The 17 inch
Is too big
Size wise
And budget wise
This one is perfect
For me
It's 15 inches
It's a
One gigahertz
G4 processor
It came with
256 megs of RAM
But I put another
512 into it
Now wait a minute
I'm confused
You went from a
900 to a
One gigahertz
That doesn't seem
Like a huge jump
Not a big jump
But you got to
Bear in mind
The iBook
Was a G3 processor
Uh huh
4
Which it's almost like
You know
In the
In the Wintel world
It's probably the same
Difference of going
From a Pentium 3
To a Pentium 4
Gotcha
In my guess
I mean I've never
Used them
But just to kind
Of compare apples
And oranges
Use that analogy
It's a different
It's a leap
And different chip
Technology
Basically
Um it's got a
Lot faster bus
I think it has
Like a 133
I don't even have
The specs
It's got a faster
Bus speed
Than the iBook did
It's got faster RAM
It's got uh
PC 2700 RAM
I think it is
And you said
You just upgraded
To how much RAM
Well I've got
I've got 756
In it now
It came with 256
I put a 512
Chip in it
But I'm probably
Even going to put
Another 512 in it
Um you can max
Them out at 2 gigs
But that's more
Money than I want
To spend
Right now it's got
It's got uh
What we got here
768
My math is not good
760 in it right now
And it just
It just
Zings right along
It's great
Um built in
Bluetooth
I bought the uh
The airport card
What they call
Airport extreme
Which is
80211G card
Right
Um
Two minutes to
Pop that in
Fired it up
It picked up my
Network
I didn't have to
Do anything
But type in my
Password
And this is a
Separate card
This was not a
Built in
It didn't come
Built in
But the next
Model up
Had it built in
I see
See I don't know
That I would like
It built in
That's one of the
We talked about
This before
I don't think
I'd want a
Built in card
Either
Right
Um for
Various reasons
Um
The next model
Up had the
What they call
The super drive
The DVD R
Or W
I don't really
Need that
I've got two
G4s with
DVD burners in
Them
I don't need
It in the
Laptop
So I just
Stuck with
The basic
CD-ROM
CD-RW
Drive
Right
Yeah it's
Good place
To cut corners
If you've
Already got
It on
And I
Saved $600
Oh yeah
I'd be going
To other
Things
Absolutely
Um it's got
The built in
Bluetooth
Which at some
Point I would
Love to get
A Bluetooth
Phone which
Would be
Great
Um
A 60 gig
Hard drive
And just
It's beautiful
The keyboard
Is the best
Laptop keyboard
I've ever
Ever worked
With
Um
It's got
Slot loading
The optical
Drive is slot
Loading so
There's no
Tray or
Anything to
Worry about
Breaking off
It's got
It's loaded
To the gills
With ports
It's got
Two USB 2.0
Ports
Uh
A Firewire 400
And a Firewire 800
Hmm
The 800 is a
Newer
Faster
Uh
Variant of
Firewire
That they've
Come out with
In the past
Six months or so
I haven't even
Used anything
On Firewire 800
I can't even
Compare the
Transfer speeds
But I know
That they make
Like uh
External Firewire
Drives
Firewire 800
So
I'd love to
Play with one
Of those
Sometimes
It's got
S-Video out
The DVI
Outport
Gigabit
Ethernet
Um
Just look at
Your
There's ports
All over the
Place on this
Thing
It's got a
Nice PCI
Slot
Which I've
Never actually
Had to use
A PCI
Card
On any of
My laptops
Because everything's
Been built in
Right
But it's nice
To have that
Option
Right
You know
That's kind of
The point of the
Laptop to me
Is to have it
All self-contained
I don't
I'm not much
Into
I don't like
The idea of
Upgrading a
Laptop
Myself
So
Um
And it came
It's got a
Radeon
ATI Radeon
9600
Mobility
For graphics
Card
I've been playing
Halo on this
Thing
I'm sorry
Was it
9800
Uh
9600
Oh
9600
I've been playing
Halo on this
Thing
And it
It rocks
Yeah
I mean
I've got
I don't have
Everything set
High
I've got pretty
Much the median
Average
For the graphics
Settings
And it just
It doesn't
Miss a beat
It's just
Awesome
Does it have
A video output
So that you
Could put it
To a
Bigger monitor
Or something
Yeah
It's got
S-Video
It's got
The DVI
Right
The DVI
Out
Good
DVI
Out
It came
With the
Adapters
So I
Could hook
It's got
A DVI
To
VGA
Adapter
It's got
An S-Video
To an RCA
Adapter
So if I
Was on the
Road somewhere
And had to
Hook it up
To a TV
Set to play
A DVD
I could do
That
Very cool
Not that I'd
Ever really
Need to
But
But it's
There if
You want
It
It's there
If I
Want it
Exactly
And it
Came
It came
With some
Pretty decent
Software
It came
With OS
10
10.3
Obviously
And it's
Just
It's a
Nice
Machine
And
It's
I've
Really
Been
Putting it
Through the
Tests
As far
Like video
And graphics
And stuff
Hasn't
Missed a
Beat
It's
Great
The only
Thing I
Haven't
Been
Able
To do
With it
So far
Is go
War
Driving
Oh
Man
I
Wanted to
Do
That
Today
And it
Just
Didn't
I
Updated
All my
Wireless
Sniffing
Programs
I've got
KidsMac
iStumbler
And Mac
Stumbler
All in
Here
Just
Raring to
Go
And I
Haven't
Had a
Chance
To get
Out of
The
House
With it
To do
Anything
But maybe
Next time
I'll have
A report
On that
Wow
As a matter
Of fact
Since you
Mentioned
Report
That might
Be
Article
Material
There
You
Might
Have
To
Write
That
Up
Yeah
Not
For
This
Issue
But
Yeah
2.2
Yeah
Definitely
And you
Say this
Came
With
Panther
Right
Which
Is
OSX
10.3
The last
Time
We
Talked
10.2
Whatever
Revision
That was
Probably
10.2
8
Was
The
Most
Current
Version
Of
OSX
I
Think
It's
Back
In
September
October
They
Released
10.3
Which
They
Term
Panther
For
Some
Reason
Apple
Seems
To
Have
Codenames
Attached
To
Everything
They
Had
For
Years
All
Their
Products
Have
Had
These
Codenames
Attached
Tool
And
That's
Pretty
Common
Though
In
The
Computer
Industry
But
With
Jaguar
They
Actually
Made
The
Codename
Part
Of
The
Branding
Part
Of
The
Product
Name
Right
You
Saw
The
Displays
With
The
Fur
And
Stuff
Like
That
Exactly
But
Now
It's
Just
Black
And
Silver
Is
What
They
Using
For
The
Panther
Boxes
And
Is
There
That
Much
Of
A
Leap
Between
Jaguar
And
Panther
Actually
There
Is
Getting
Ready
For
The
Show
I
Was
Kind
Of
Going
Over
Some
Of
The
Things
That
Are
Improved
Now
I'll
Tell you
The
Speed
Of
The
OS
Itself
Just
The
Responsiveness
On
The
Different
Machines
I've
Used
10.3
On
Is
Just
Unbelievable
Really
10.2
Was
Okay
I've
Got
An
Older
iMac
That
It's
Only
A
400
Megahertz
G3
It's
Not
Top
It's
About
Three
Four
Years
Old
With
Jaguar
It
Was
Okay
It
Was
Definitely
I
Think
I
Had
About
512
Megs
Of
RAM
In
It
Responsiveness
Was
Okay
Simple
Things
Like
Opening
Windows
Changing
Menus
Loading
Applications
It
Seemed
A
Little
Sluggish
Sometimes
I
Put
Panther
On
It
Man
It's
Snappy
I
Don't
So
Even
With
An
Old
400
On
An
Older
Machine
Is
That
The
Old
IMAX
With
The
Flavors
The
Colors
This
Tangerine
On
Panther
On
This
Thing
Is
It
Loads
Faster
It
Boots
Faster
Just
Responsiveness
Is
Just
A
Lot
Better
Than
It
Was
In
J-Ware
So
That
Was
A
Big
Thing
Could
You
Possibly
Still
Play
A
Game
On
Such
An
Old
System
Could
You
Play
Halo
On
That
Old
System
Running
Jaguar
Probably
Not
A
Lot
Of
The
That's
Another
Reason
I
Went
With
The
Power
Book
With
The
G4
Is
Because
A
Lot
Of
The
Software
Especially
Games
That
They're
Coming
Out
With
Require
At
Least
An
800
Megahertz
G4
I
Think
That's
The
Requirement
For
Halo
Do
You
Know
What
The
Requirements
For
Panther
Are
The
Minimum
Requirements
Just
In
General
You
Can
Run
Them
On
A
G3
I
Think
They
Want
At
Least
A
400
Or
350
Or
400
Megahertz
G3
They
Say
Least
I
Mean
Honestly
Just
Like
Anything
Else
The
More
Memory
You
Have
The
Better
Of
Course
Right
Because
I
Mean
The
Power
Book
Came
With
256
And
It
Ran
But
If
I
Had
Four
Or
Five
Things
Opening
Open
At
Once
I
Could
Definitely
Tell
Just
Switching
To
Menus
And
Switching
Applications
You
Could
That
Lag
When
It
Switches
To
Virtual
Memory
You
Can
Hear
The
Hard
Drive
Crank
A
Little
Bit
More
Right
So
But
Yeah
I
Mean
Depends
On
The
Game
A
Lot
Of
The
Brand
New
Games
You
Couldn't
Use
That
On
Right
Just
Trying
To
Gauge
Generally
It's
Not
Quite
Powerful
Enough
To
Be
A
Good
Gaming
Machine
But
And
Therefore
It's
Probably
Not
Nearly
Enough
To
Be
Video
Editing
If
Your
900
Wasn't
Even
No
And
That
Had
A
Great
Video
Card
And
That
Could
Play
Some
Games
Okay
But
When
You
Get
Into
Video
You
Really
Need
Something
You
Know
Well
One
Of
My
G4
Is
A
Dual
Processor
And
That
Thing
Just
Zips
Right
Along
I
Mean
I
Can
Do
Anything
On
That
Thing
I
Can
Render
Video
Surf
The
Web
Get
My
Email
Burn
A
DVD
All
At
The
Same
Time
And
OSX
Has
Support
For
Dual
Processor
Dual
Processor
The
Multitasking
And
It
And
I'll
Tell
You
For
Somebody
In
My
Profession
That's
A
Good
Thing
You
Can
Do
So
Many
Things
At
Once
It
Saves
Time
Wow
I
Didn't
Realize
A
Computer
Was
That
Important
To
A
Gigolo
Well
You
Know
You
Gotta
Keep
The
Appointments
And
Straight
Oh
You
Made
Your
Other
Profession
Oh
Yeah
Did
I
Make
A
Mistake
And
Mention
On
The
Air
Well
You
Know
So
I
Mean
The
Responsiveness
Was
Better
And
They
Added
Some
Features
Which
I
Think
Are
Pretty
Cool
One
Of
The
Things
That
They
Got
In
10.3
Is
Something
What
They
Call
Expose
Which
How
Many
Times
Have
You
Had
Been
On
Your
Desktop
And
You
Have
10
Windows
Open
And
I
Know
On
Linux
There
Is
The
Task
Bar
I
Know
In
KDE
It
Got
The
Boxes
For
Each
One
But
If
You
Don't
Have
That
Open
I
Mean
Sometimes
You
Don't
Want
The
Task
Bar
On
The
Bottom
Just
Because
It
Eats
Up
Real
Estate
Or
Whatever
For
Whatever
Reason
You
Can
Even
Be
An
Application
They
Got
This
Thing
Called
Expose
You
Basically
Push
One
Of
Your
Function
Keys
Every
Window
You
Have
Open
On
The
Computer
Shrinks
Down
Onto
The
Screen
So
All
Your
Windows
Are
Viewable
Button
All
The
Windows
Shrink
Down
You
Can
See
The
Desktop
It
Really
Cool
Fast
User
Switching
Is
It
I
Guess
Without
Seeing
It
I
Not
Sure
It
Sounds
Kind
Like
A
Window
Maker
Or
See
I
Not
Really
That
Familiar
With
Linux
And
How
That
All
Works
But
You
Have
To
See
It
Yeah
I
I'm
Going
To
Make
A
Special
Trip
This
Week
To
The
Mac
There
Is
A
Mac
Store
In
The
Mall
Near
Where
I
Work
I'm
Going
To
Go
Take
A
Trip
There
And
Check
It
Out
It
It's
Very
Cool
I
I've
Actually
Used
It
Because
My
Desktop
I
Have
Windows
Open
All
The
Time
In
The
Top
There's
A
Window
Option
In
The
Top
Menu
Bar
You
Can
Pull
It
Down
It
Tells
You
What
On
You
Can
Select
One
Of
But
This
Is
Just
A
Nice
Quick
Way
To
Switch
Windows
You
Can
If
You
Like
In
Photoshop
For
Example
I
Can
Have
Six
Different
Files
Open
In
Photoshop
I'm
Cutting
And
Pasting
And
Working
On
Different
Things
You
Can
Hit
Another
Key
In
An
Application
It
Will
Shrink
Down
All
The
Windows
For
That
Application
If
You
Are
Working
On
Two
Different
Files
And
Like
Oh
I
Don't
You
Know
I
Need
To
See
Work
With
It
Saved
Me
Key
Strokes
And
Mousing
Around
Very
Cool
Sounds
Cool
I
Know
There
Fast
User
Switching
Which
I
Know
Has
Been
Around
In
Windows
XP
For
A
While
That
Is
Something
That
New
In
10.3
You
Can
Have
Multiple
Users
Logged
In
Simultaneously
And
All
You
Do
Is
Whoever
Is
Currently
Logged
In
Their
Name
Shows
Up
In
The
Menu
Bar
And
If
You
Want
Another
Person
Wants
To
Log
In
They
Just
Select
Their
Name
From
The
List
And
You
Just
Type
In
Your
Password
And
It
Like
A
3D
Cube
The
Screen
Turns
The
Other
User
Account
Shows
Up
That
Pretty
Cool
And
That
Another
Thing
That
For
A
Single
User
Like
Me
It
Not
Really
A
Big
Deal
But
If
You
Have
A
Family
You
Have
You
Sharing
The
Machine
With
Somebody
Your
Girlfriend
Your
Wife
Or
Whatever
It
Kind
Of
Nice
That
You
Don't
Have
To
Log
Out
They
Can
Do
What
They
Want
And
Then
You
Have
To
Log
Back
In
It
Another
Time
Saver
Right
But
For
The
Geeks
In
Us
Some
Of
The
Other
Cool
Stuff
Is
And
I
Don't
Know
If
There's
An
Equivalent
In
Windows
Or
Not
But
It
Has
The
Built
An
Ability
To
Make
A
Zip
Archive
Of
Any
Folder
Right
From
The
Desktop
Right
Yeah
That's
Been
An
XP
For
A
While
All
Right
See
I
Had
A
Feeling
It
Would
Be
But
That's
Something
Which
Has
Been
You
Previously
They
Have
To
Use
A
Third
Party
Program
Like
I
Think
You
Have
Of
Stuff
At
Expander
Right
Yeah
Absolutely
They
Have
Drop
Stuff
And
Drop
Zip
Which
It's
Got
Some
Built
In
File
Encryption
There's
A
Feature
Called
File
Vault
And
If
You
Activate
That
It
Will
Use
With
AS
128
Encryption
On
Your
User
Folder
I
Haven't
Played
Around
With
It
Because
I
Don't
Really
Have
Anything
On
Here
That
I
Really
Need
Encrypted
But
It
Would
Be
Something
That
If
You
Whatever
Data
You
Had
You
Didn't
Want
Anybody
To
See
Particularly
On
Anything
You
Don't
Want
To
Risk
It
Being
Stolen
Or
Losing
It
Or
Leaving
It
Somewhere
And
There's
A
Certain
Password
That
You
Have
To
Put
In
To
Access
That
Information
Which
Is
Kind
Of
Cool
Built
In
Faxing
Which
I
Haven't
Used
Yet
But
It's
Another
Feature
Somebody
Might
Be
Interested
In
What
I
Thought
Was
Cool
Is
When
I
Actually
Did
A
Reinstall
On
Because
I
Partition
The
Drive
On
It
But
10.3
Gives
You
The
Option
Of
Installing
The
GIMP
Print
Drivers
The
Open
Source
Print
Drivers
The
Reason
That's
Cool
Is
Because
If
There's
Let's
Say
You
Have
A
Printer
That
For
Whatever
Reason
The
Printer
Manufacturer
Doesn't
Have
An
OS
10
Driver
For
It
There's
A
Good
Chance
With
The
GIMP
Print
Drivers
You
Could
Actually
Use
That
Printer
And
What
Not
They've
Included
There's
A
Developers
Tool
Disk
That
Comes
With
Panther
If
You
Buy
It
Comes
With
It
If
You
Get
A
Computer
It's
Already
Installed
And
There's
A
Restored
That
Has
It
But
There's
A
Disk
With
All
These
Developer
Tools
And
One
Of
Easier
Right
Well
It
Makes
Natural
Sense
Right
And
I
Think
That's
Good
Because
I
Read
A
Couple
On
The
Rumor
Boards
You
Know
Anybody
Familiar
With
Max
Knows
That
The
Rumors
Run
Rampant
And
Everybody
Is
Already
Speculating
What
10.4
Is
Going
To
Have
And
I
Seen
It
In
A
Few
Different
Places
That
Been
Pretty
Right
On
With
Some
Of
The
Stuff
I
Don't
Know
The
Specifics
Of
It
But
Apparently
There's
Going
To
Be
Some
Higher
Level
Of
Linux
Involvement
In
The
Next
Version
Of
OS
10
I
Don't
Know
What
That
Is
There's
Even
Been
Some
Speculation
That
Apple
Is
Going
To
Port
Some
Of
Their
Applications
Over
To
Linux
I
Think
That
Would
Be
A
Good
Idea
Yeah
I
Mean
Like
iTunes
iPhoto
And
Maybe
Even
Some
Of
The
Higher
End
Apps
Since
The
Last
Time
We
Talked
As
Well
I
Think
It's
Real
New
I
Think
That
Was
Part
Of
This
Whole
Pepsi
Super
Bowl
Commercial
Right
Before
The
Holidays
I
Think
It
Was
It
Been
That
Long
Yeah
Actually
It
Was
Kind
Of
Funny
Because
The
Day
They
Announced
iTunes
For
Windows
If
You
Went
To
Apple
Site
The
Headline
On
It
Was
Hell
Has
Frozen
Over
That
That's
Good
Noticed
A
Lot
Of
Great
Things
About
Panther
About
10.3
The
One
Thing
That
I
Do
Not
Like
About
It
Though
And
This
Is
Something
I
Hoping
They'll
Fix
Is
The
Way
That
You
Browse
A
Network
Previously
In
Jaguar
There
Was
From
The
Desktop
You
Could
Do
Under
The
File
There
Was
A
Go
And
There
Was
A
Connect
To
Server
Command
And
What
That
Would
Do
Is
Bring
Up
A
Window
That
Basically
Would
Scan
Your
Network
And
Show
Up
Any
Machine
That
Had
File
Sharing
Enabled
Or
Whether
It
Be
Windows
Or
Mac
It
Would
Show
Up
But
Now
There
Still
That
Connect
To
Server
Command
But
You
Need
To
Know
The
IP
Address
Of
The
Machine
You
Want
To
Connect
To
Which
Kind
Of
Defeats
The
Purpose
In
My
View
If
You
Go
To
Your
Friend
House
And
You
Want
To
Network
With
This
Machine
You
Don't
Know
The
IP
Address
Offhand
Before
You
Could
Just
Open
That
Window
And
It
Would
Scan
The
Network
And
Then
It
Would
Show
Up
You
Connect
No
Problem
Right
But
Maybe
Again
Not
Knowing
Much
About
It
Potentially
I
Mean
That's
Where
You're
Wardriving
You
Don't
Want
It
To
Be
That
Easily
Accessible
If
You
Right
Which
Maybe
They
Changed
It
Right
Let's
Say
Just
Crack
Over
My
Desktop
Icon
You
Get
A
Window
With
All
Your
Files
But
Off
To
The
Left
Of
It
You
More
Less
Get
A
List
Of
Shortcuts
Or
Favorites
That
You
Can
Drag
And
Drop
Folders
And
Files
And
Entire
Drives
In
There
But
There's
One
Called
Network
And
If
You
Select
Network
Then
It
Will
Open
Up
Another
Side
Pane
It's
Really
Hard
To
Describe
If
You
Haven't
Seen
It
But
Basically
In
Your
Main
Part
Of
The
Window
It
Shows
Any
Servers
Or
Network
Machines
That
It
Finds
And
Then
You
Would
Just
Select
It
And
Put
Your
Password
In
Thing
I
Don't
Like
About
It
Is
That
You
Really
Don't
Know
Whether
You
Are
Connected
To
It
Or
Not
Because
Previously
It
Would
Mount
On
Your
Desktop
And
A
Little
Icon
Would
Really
Know
Where
To
Look
You
Really
Don't
Know
If
You're
Connected
Or
Not
So
I
Don't
Really
Care
It
Not
A
Problem
For
Somebody
That
Knows
It
But
Your
Average
User
Isn't
Going
To
Know
Where
To
Look
Right
It
Could
Be
Annoying
So
Hmm
Well
I
Can
See
Where
That
Could
Be
A
Little
Bit
Annoying
Yeah
And
It
Just
There
Is
A
Lot
Of
Stability
Every
Program
That
Ships
With
Panther
Has
Been
Upgraded
One
Of
The
Cool
Things
That
They
Done
Is
I
Think
We
Talked
Last
Time
About
The
X11
Windows
Environment
So
You
Can
It
Is
Really
A
Program
And
That
The
X11
Windows
Environment
Runs
Within
That
And
They
Made
A
Little
Bit
Easier
To
Make
That
Integration
Between
Your
OS
10
Desktop
And
Any
Of
The
X11
Apps
That
You
Want
To
Use
I
Actually
Over
The
Week
I
Installed
KDE
On
And
Playing
With
That
And
That
Was
Kind
Of
Fun
Because
There
Was
A
Couple
Little
Glitches
That
I
Had
To
Do
Some
Research
On
The
Web
To
Figure
Out
What
Was
Going
On
But
Once
I
Figured
It
Out
It
Worked
Like
A
Charm
So
I'm
A
Little
Confused
Are
You
Saying
That
To
Run
An
X11
Environment
You
Actually
Have
To
So
You
Don't
Have
A
Choice
Of
Whether
You
Can
Boot
Into
The
Mac
Shell
Or
The
Mac
Environment
The
Windows
Environment
I
Should
Say
The
Windowing
System
Or
KDE
Under
X11
You
Actually
Have
To
Boot
Into
Your
Mac
Window
Environment
First
And
Then
Start
X11
Separately
So
It's
A
Window
Within
A
Window
More
Or
Less
But
You
Have
The
Option
Of
Running
It
What
They
Call
Full
Window
Mode
Right
But
It
Is
Technically
Still
A
Window
Within
More
Less
Yeah
But
What
It
Really
Is
Just
Tapping
Into
That
Into
The
BSD
The
Unix
Core
Of
It
And
Just
Allowing
You
To
Use
Like
GIMP
Right
And
Map
Any
Of
Those
And
You
Couldn't
Use
That
Directly
From
The
Mac
No
Unless
See
There's
Because
Those
X11
Libraries
Are
Probably
Required
Right
Yeah
Right
And
That's
The
Other
Thing
Too
Is
If
You
Have
To
Install
This
Developer
Tool
Set
Because
It
Installed
The
Compiler
And
A
Lot
Of
The
Stuff
That
You
Find
There's
Only
A
Source
For
It
So
You
Have
To
Have
A
Compiler
In
To
Get
It
To
Work
Right
So
I
Actually
Downloaded
The
Source
For
KDE
I
Mean
It
Was
A
Full
Everything
KDE
Like
One
Package
And
It
Took
About
18
About
15
Hours
For
To
Compile
Wow
Yeah
Like
Alright
Is
This
Thing
Going
To
Be
Done
Anytime
Soon
But
I
Was
Reading
Around
And
This
Is
Just
I
Guess
The
Speed
Of
The
Machine
Some
Guy
I
Don't
Even
Know
What
He
Was
Like
An
Older
G4
Powerbook
I
Think
It
Took
Three
Days
For
His
To
Compile
Or
Something
Like
Wow
So
I
Thought
15
Hours
Was
Pretty
Good
But
Now
Can
You
When
You
Do
That
A
Window
Within
A
Window
Do
You
Have
Access
To
Your
Original
You
Said
You
Can
Actually
If
You
Go
When
KDE
Launches
What
I
Did
Is
I
Went
Into
The
Control
Panels
There
And
Just
Turned
Off
So
Basically
There's
An
Option
To
Not
Show
Desktop
Icons
Because
By
Default
It
Showed
That
There's
A
KDE
Desktop
All
The
KDE
Icons
Were
There
I
Went
And
Turn
That
Off
So
That
I
Actually
Have
Access
To
My
OS
Desktop
Right
From
KDE
It's
Very
Cool
I
Haven't
Had
A
Chance
To
Play
With
A
Lot
Of
The
Applications
And
Stuff
But
It
Just
It
Just
Opens
Up
A
Whole
Other
World
Right
Well
It
Sounds
A lot
Like
The
Virtual
PC
It
Well
Yes
And
No
I
Mean
Actually
You
Are
Actually
Running
The
Unix
Apps
Right
So
It's
Really
Not
Any
Emulation
It's
Actually
It's
Really
Again
Without
Showing
Right
And
All
The
Fact
That
You
Can
Drag
Things
Back
And
Forth
Makes
It
A
Little
Different
As
Well
So
But
Funny
That
You
Brought
A
Virtual
PC
Because
That
Was
Another
Thing
I
Wanted
To
Mention
We
Talked
A
Little
Bit
About
That
The
Last
Time
Right
I
Actually
Finally
That
Yeah
I
Mean
I
I've
Had
Virtual
PC
But
Up
Until
Recently
All
I
Had
Was
Windows
90
I
Finally
Got
My
Chance
To
Get
The
Windows
XP
What
They
Call
The
OS
Pack
It's
Basically
A
Disk
That
You
Would
Buy
And
It
Has
Pre
Bundled
On
There
A
Disk
Image
Of
A
Windows
XP
Installation
All
You
Do
Is
Drag
It
On
Your
Hard
Drive
And
When
You
Go
To
Virtual
PC
Tell
Basically
To
Install
A
Virtual
OS
If
I
Only
Got
A
Chance
To
Play
With
Windows
XP
What
Were
They
Thinking
I
Don't
Know
What
Is
With
That
Interface
Yeah
It's
Yeah
There's
Been
Since
XP
Came
Out
There's
Been
More
Development
In
Windows
Shells
And
Alternative
Windowing
Systems
Than
I've
Ever
Seen
Before
Since
Windows
3.1
They've
Ported
Fluxbox
I
Forget
What
It's
Called
I
Think
They
Renamed
It
There's
A
Couple
Different
Ones
There's
A
Fluxbox
Port
For
XP
There's
A
There's
A
Few
Different
Shells
Available
And
Hacks
To
The
Existing
Shell
I
Don't
Know
What
The
Next
I
Think
They're
Going
To
Make
A
Jump
Again
With
I
Guess
It's
Still
Called
Longhorn
I
Don't
Know
I
Haven't
Heard
Much
From
It
In
A
While
It's
Been
On
The
Download
But
I
Think
They're
Going
To
Make
Some
More
Changes
With
That
So
It's
Going
To
Be
Interesting
To
See
What
They
Do
With
That
See
If
They
Fix
Some
Of
The
Annoyances
With
XP
With
That
It's
Just
Nice
I
Finally
Have
Because
I
Don't
Have
Access
To
A
PC
That
Runs
XP
It's
Just
Nice
To
Be
Able
To
Finally
Have
Access
To
It
So
I
Can
At
Poke
Around
And
Learn
A
Little
Bit
More
About
It
So
I
Can
Hear
What
All
You
Are
Complaining
About
Well
You
Know
Again
I
Don't
I
Bash
Anything
That's
Bad
Or
Problems
Or
Annoyances
Or
Something
Like
That
But
I
Don't
Bash
XP
And
Microsoft
Just
For
The
Sake
Of
It
You
Know
If
I
Do
It's
Because
There's
Something
Particular
That
I
Want
To
That
I
Don't
Like
But
There's
Not
Necessarily
Innately
Anything
Wrong
With
XP
Per
Se
I
Mean
It
Has
Issues
But
Frankly
So
Does
Everything
Else
I
Mean
You'd
Be
Naive
To
Say
Otherwise
I
Know
A
Lot
Of
People
Swear
They'll
Never
Use
It
I
Might
Swear
That
Like
One
Night
When
I'm
Frustrated
With
It
And
About
To
Put
My
Fist
Through
The
Monitor
But
In
The
Grand
Scheme
Of
Things
It's
Just
On
That
One
Of
Things
I
Will
Say
I
As
I
Love
OS
10
There's
A
Few
Things
About
It
That
Really
Annoy
Me
And
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Have
Any
Such
Things
As
Permissions
In
Windows
But
One
Of
The
Things
About
OS
10
That
Really
Annoy
Me
Is
That
Since
Everything
Is
Unix
Based
Everything
Has
A
File
Permission
Right
And
That
I
Was
Going
To
Say
That
I
Mean
They
Had
To
Have
Adopted
That
When
They
Went
It
I
Have
To
Go
There
Was
What
They
Called
Repair
Permissions
Utility
And
If
Anybody
Is
Using
OS
10
And
It
Like
You
Got
Gobs
Of
RAM
But
Things
Are
Taking
A
Lot
Longer
To
Open
Up
You're
Seeing
That
Little
Beach
Ball
A
Lot
More
Often
Than
You
Would
Normally
Go
Into
Utilities
Folder
And
Run
Disk
Utility
And
There's
An
Option
There
For
Repair
Permissions
And
What
That
But
They
Won't
Change
Them
Back
And
What
Happens
Over
Time
Is
These
Permissions
Get
Changed
Things
Tend
To
Take
Longer
To
Open
Up
Because
It's
Almost
That
The
Computer
Has
To
Figure
Out
Can
I
Open
This
File
I
Can't
Open
This
File
And
I
I've
Noticed
That
Every
Month
Or
So
I
Have
Made
It
A
Routine
To
Go
And
Run
This
Utility
And
It
Takes
A
Lot
And
It
Could
Print
With
No
Problem
So
There's
A
Little
Bit
Of
A
Quirkiness
There
And
I
Hope
That
They
Can
Get
That
Solved
Because
Again
For
The
Typical
Home
User
They
Don't
Want
To
Have
To
Do
That
Well
And
Can
You
Make
A
Shell
Script
Or
A
Batch
Script
Of
Some
Sort
And
Schedule
It
To
Run
Monthly
That
And
Again
That's
The
Kind
Of
Thing
That
Home
User
Shouldn't
You
Know
Joe
Schmo
Shouldn't
Have
Right
But
Budweiser
Shouldn't
Have
To
Do
That
Yeah
There's
Third
Party
There's
A
Little
Freeware
Applications
That
Will
Do
That
But
Is
There
A
Scheduler
Built
Into
Not
Again
That's
Another
Thing
That
An
Apple
Really
Needs
To
Get
On
The
Ball
With
Some
Of
This
Maintenance
Stuff
Because
They
Haven't
Really
Addressed
A
Lot
Of
These
Little
Unix
Hangover
Type
Things
As
Far
As
You
Know
Betty
And
Bob
Budweiser
On
Their
EMAC
Who
Don't
Know
What
Repair
Permissions
Are
There's
Nothing
Built
Into
The
OS
That
Will
Let
Them
Resolve
That
Unless
They
Take
It
You
Know
Unless
They
Call
Someone
And
Ask
Them
Or
Go
On
A
Website
And
Find
That
Out
There's
Nothing
Built
Into
The
OS
That
Will
Let
Them
Schedule
It
Or
Anything
Like
That
And
There
Really
Needs
To
Be
Right
Well
I
Want
To
Actually
Pick
Up
An
Old
iMac
Somewhere
I
Haven't
I
Want
To
Get
One
Fairly
Cheap
Obviously
I
Want
To
Pick
Up
An
Old
Used
Infant
Somewhere
I
Want
To
Watch
The
Papers
On
Ebay
Or
Something
Like
That
I
Like
To
Pick
Up
One
Of
Those
Old
One
Of
Those
Old
iMac
Maybe
For
Play
With
A
Little
Bit
And
Get
Used
To
Being
A
Non
Mac
Guy
And
Just
Learn
Basics
On
A
System
Like
That
I
Mean
You
Can
Find
I
Would
Say
At
Least
Get
A
Five
Or
Six
Hundred
Megahertz
One
That
Will
Look
Because
If
You
Wanted
To
Get
Into
Doing
Any
Of
The
X
11
Stuff
Like
The
Compiler
And
Stuff
Definitely
Get
Something
With
A
Little
Bit
More
Speed
You
Might
Pay
A
Little
Bit
More
But
You
Can
Get
A
Decent
One
For
About
400
Or
500
Yeah
See
I
Could
Get
A
Top
End
PC
For
That
Price
Though
I
Well
It
Would
Be
A
G3
That
I
Mean
It
Would
I
Mean
You
Know
It
Would
Be
A
G3
Well
You
Know
It
I
Don't
Know
The
Prices
On
Them
Just
Aren't
Quite
And
Again
That's
What
Happens
That's
Just
The
Nature
Of
Apple
And
The
Way
They
Do
Things
They
You
Can
Only
Buy
A
Mac
From
Apple
You
Know
As
Opposed
To
PCs
That
You
Can
Build
Yourself
And
Have
Different
Distributors
Different
Companies
That
Build
Them
There's
Only
One
Apple
So
There's
Not
Price
Competition
I
Don't
See that
As a
Problem
Because
I
At
Least
If
The
OS
And
The
Hardware
Are
Designed
By
The
Same
Company
I
Know
That
They're
Going
To
Work
Together
Yeah
I
Mean
There's
A
Positive
To
It
But
There
Is
A
Negative
To
It
And
That
Is
Price
Control
If
I
Could
Buy
A
Power
Book
A
Comparable
Machine
For
$800
Less
I
Might
Do
That
Absolutely
Well
I'm
Going
To
Do
That
I'm
Going
To
Keep
My
Eyes
Open
What
Is
The
Fastest
Of
Those
I
See
And
The
Other
Thing
I
Like
And
I
Still
I
Know
It's
All
Cutesy
And
Girly
And
Everything
With
Those
Flavored
IMAX
And
Stuff
But
I
Like
The
Fact
That
It
Self
Contained
Thing
Do
They
What
Is
The
Fastest
IMAX
That
They
Make
What
Is
The
Fastest
One
Of
Those
All
In
One
Those
I
Want
To
Say
Didn't
They
Top
Out
At
400
600
Oh
They
Did
So
I
Could
Get
I
Could
Get
A
600
And
Still
Be
Oh
Yeah
I
Mean
You
Could
Pick
One
Of
Those
Up
600
I'm
Pretty
Sure
600
Were
The
Top
On
And
Then
They
Went
To
What
I
Call
The
I
Lamp
Ones
With
The
Flat
Screen
Well
I'll
See
What
I
Can
Find
Out
There
At
The
Best
Price
Per
For
The
Power
Yeah
I
Maybe
I
Can
Find
Something
Just
Send
Me
The
Specs
On
And
What
They
Want
For
And
I
Can
Give
You
An
Idea
Whether
It's
A
Good
Buy
Or
Not
Man
I'll
Keep
My
Eye
Open
Locally
Still
In
The
Newspaper
And
Stuff
Like
That
You
Still
Usually
Find
Good
Deals
Like
That
Don't
Forget
People
There
Are
Even
Though
We
Got
The
Internet
And
Everything
In
front
Of
Us
And
eBay
You
Still
Have
Print
You
Still
Have
Newspapers
You
Still
Have
Local
People
Trying
To
Sell
Their
Stuff
And
Get
Rid
Of
It
Garage
Sales
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Have
Some
Kind
Of
Swap
Shop
Some
Kind
Of
French
Canadian
Swap
Shop
Yeah
Exactly
Up here
In the
Great
White
North
So
Don't
Rule
Out
Locally
Because
That's
The
Other
Thing
You
Have
To
Pay
For
Shipping
For
That
Thing
That
Could
Be
A
Pain
Yeah
Unfortunately
I've
Seen
A lot
Of
The
Prices
On
eBay
For
Things
The
Shipping
Is
Almost
As
Much
As
What
You
Would
Buy
It
For
Exactly
Yeah
And
That
You
Know
What
Little
Bit
You
Would
Save
By
Buying
It
Used
On
eBay
Shipping
Makes
It
Right
Back
Up
So
You
Don't
Really
Get
Any
You
Lose
The
Advantage
I
Mean
If
Anybody
Had
If
You
Have
A
Used
Computer
Store
Around
You
Because
That's
Where
I
Got
My
Old
iMac
From
I
A
Place
That
Basically
Sells
All
PCs
And
Once
In
A
Great
Well
What
Kind
Of
Open
Source
Software
Or
Movement
Exists
For
The
Native
Mac
OSX
Is
There
Such
A
Thing
As
Open
Source
Software
Developed
Strictly
Primarily
For
The
Mac
There
A
Ton
Of
People
That
Are
Developing
Software
For
It
A
Lot
Of
It
Is
Free
And
I
Won't
Say
It's
All
Covered
By
The
New
Public
License
But
It
There's
Tons
And
Tons
Of
Free
Utilities
One
Of
The
Things
I've
Really
Been
Using
Is
I've
Been
Using
Open
Office
A
Lot
Right
Open
Office
Dot
Org
Dot
Org
There's
A
Mac
There's
An
OSX
Native
Version
Of
That
And
It
Works
Great
Oh
There
There's
An
OSX
Native
Yes
Oh
That's
Very
Interesting
I
Did
Not
Know
That
I
Take
That
Back
I
Take
That
Back
It's
For
The
OSX
X
11
Environment
If
You
Install
The
X
11
Right
Well
That
Makes
Sense
Yeah
Then
There's
Just
A
Little
Script
That
Basically
You
Don't
Have
To
Type
A
Command
Line
And
It
Just
A
Little
Icon
You
Click
It
And
It
Launches
X
11
And
That
Launches
Open
Office
Dot
Org
And
Bam
I
Got
You
I
Been
Using
It
Works
Great
I
Totally
100%
Microsoft
Free
On
This
Thing
Except
I
Still
Have
Explorer
On
Here
Just
To
Test
Websites
With
Right
Well
Oh
And
You
Know
What
Since
You
Brought
That
Up
I
Don't
Know
Gosh
I
Don't
Mean
To
Put
You
On
Spice
Somebody
Mentioned
In
The
Forms
One
Time
They
Were
Questioning
If
There
Was
A
Good
Tool
Or
Way
To
Test
Your
Code
Your
Web
Code
Across
Multiple
Browsers
Without
Having
To
Install
All
Those
Separate
Browsers
On
The
System
Have
You
Run
Into
Because
I
Know
You
Do
Some
Of
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
Is
There
One
Tool
That
Will
Kind
Of
Parse
Through
Using
Rules
For
Each
Of
The
Different
Browsers
Or
Tested
I
Mean
Obviously
If
It's
W3C
Compliant
HTML
4.0
Or
3.0
Or
Whatever
It
Should
Render
Pretty
Close
To
The
Same
In
Everything
But
There
Always
Those
Minor
Differences
Is
There
Some
Kind
Of
Developers
Tool
Some
Kind
Of
Application
Anything
That
You
Can
Test
I
Think
There
Would
Have
To
Be
I
Just
Don't
Know
Of
It
Just
Because
I
Have
All
The
Browsers
Installed
And
If
I
Need
To
Look
At
Something
In
Windows
I
Use
Virtual
PC
And
That's
Basically
What
You
Do
Is
You
Bring
it
Up
In
Each
Browser
To
See
How
It
To
Me
That's
More
Or
What
I
Do
For
A
Living
And
I
Have
A
Lot
More
Control
That
Way
But
I
Almost
Think
That
Somebody
On
The
Form
Posted
A
Link
To
Something
That
Would
Do
That
I
Think
Actually
It
Might
Have
Posted
A
Link
To
There
Was
A
Website
That
Had
Some
Sort
Of
Utility
That
Would
Do
That
It
Would
Check
The
Code
But
I
Don't
Remember
For
Sure
There
Has
Got
To
Be
Something
Yeah
It
Seems
Like
There
Was
I
Thought
Maybe
You
Had
Some
Experience
With
It
But
It
I
Do
That
To
The
Guys
That
Install
All
The
Browsers
And
I
Do
The
Same
Thing
I
Install
Them
All
Just
Because
I
Want
To
Play
With
It
And
Like
It
And
See
Which
The
Differ
So
That
Is
Kind
Of
A
Personal
Preference
I
Guess
But
I
Could
See
You
Want
To
Test
It
On
Different
Operating
Systems
As
Well
It
Looks
Good
In
One
OS
Might
Look
Completely
Different
In
Another
OS
Right
Well
Yeah
That
True
Too
That
True
Too
Depends
On
How
The
Page
Is
Coded
And
What
Sort
Of
Technology
Is
Used
Under
The
Hood
And
All
That
Good
Stuff
Right
Well
Is
There
Anything
Else
About
Panther
You
Wanted
To
Bring
Up
Or
Just
Now
Just
Kind
Of
You
Know
Cap
It
Off
By
Saying
I
Like
It
I
Mean
It
It's
Fast
It's
You
Know
I
Have
Yet
To
Have
Any
Crashes
With
It
I
Been
Oh
Come
On
Now
Oh
I
Come
On
I
Had
Applications
Crash
But
The
OS
Itself
Has
Been
Great
I
Have
Yet
To
Restart
My
Machines
Any
Of
Them
Other
Than
There's
You
Know
Times
You
Have
To
Restart
The
Machine
But
I
Have
Yet
To
Have
A
Crash
On
Any
Of
My
Machines
I
Don't
Even
Know
What
A
Macintosh
Crash
Looks
Like
To
Be
Honest
Actually
In
OS
10
If
You
Get
A
Kernel
Panic
You
Get
A
Nice
Polite
Little
Multilingual
Box
Multilingual
Restart
Your
I
Saw
It
Under
Jaguar
Oh
Okay
I
Saw
It
Not
Yet
Under
Panther
Twice
And
One
Was
Because
I
Did
Something
With
The
U.S.
I
Think
I
Unplugged
The
USB
Hub
Or
Something
And
It
Didn't
Like
That
And
It
Crashed
And
The
Other
Time
Was
Actually
Using
A
Microsoft
Program
Blame
Microsoft
I
Was
Doing
Something
An
Entourage
And
Didn't
Like
It
That
Was
It
Yeah
I
A
Lot
With
The
Windows
Also
That's
Kind
Of
A
Weird
I
Guess
It's
Just
The
Fact
That
The
Power
Running
Through
It
I
Don't
Know
Why
That
Seems
To
Be
Such
A
Big
Cause
But
Anyway
At
It's
Universal
Yeah
Sounds
Like
It
Sounds
Like
It
So
Oh
Alright
So
Do
You
Think
Putting
On
Panther
Okay
Let
Me
Let
Me
Let
Me
Rephrase
It
If
You
Had
Not
I
Assume
Came
With
Panther
Would
You
Have
Upgraded
Your
10.2
You
Still
Would
Have
Updated
To
It
Anyway
You
Think
It's
Worth
The
Difference
And
How
Much
Is
100
Or
More
It's
Like
129
If
You
Don't
Have
Anything
With
OS
10
You
Are
Going
To
Go
Out
And
Buy
Panther
They
Don't
Sell
10.2
Well
Right
But
If
You
Have
10.2
Is
It
Worth
129
To
Upgrade
To
10.3
I
Would
Say
It
Depends
On
What
You're
Doing
Using
The
Computer
For
If
You're
Just
If
It's
Someone
That's
Just
Using
A
Computer
To
Get
Online
Do
Email
Surf
The
Web
Maybe
Do
Some
Word
Processing
I
Don't
Think
You're
Going
To
See
That
Much
Of
A
Difference
I
Don't
Know
If
It's
Really
Worth
It
It's
Personally
I
Think
It
Is
Worth
It
There's
A
Lot
Of
The
Features
That
Have
Saved
Me
Time
And
Just
The
Speed
Of
The
OS
On
My
Older
Machines
Has
Been
Just
A
Godsend
Because
I
Have
An
Older
Slower
G4
That
I
Use
To
Do
Bookkeeping
And
Actually
Have
A
Little
MP3
Server
Running
Here
At
The
House
And
It
Works
So
Much
Better
Under
Pants
Than
It
Ever
Did
Under
Jaguar
So
If
You
Have
An
Older
Machine
It's
Definitely
Worth
It
Because
It
Seems
Like
It's
10.3
Works
A
Lot
Snappier
On
The
Older
Machines
I
Don't
Know
Exactly
How
They
Did
That
But
It's
Definitely
Noticable
Right
Well
Code
Optimization
You
Have
To
Assume
It's
Going
To
Enhance
It
A
Little
Bit
Perfect
It
A
Little
Bit
All
Right
Well
So
There
You
Go
Out
Buy
A
Mac
Oh
The
Other
Thing
Too
For
Anybody
That
Really
Interested
One
Of
The
Neat
New
Things
That
They
Didn't
Have
In
Jaguar
That
They
Have
In
Panther
Is
It
Comes
With
A
Post
Fix
Mail
Server
It's
Not
Turned
On
By
Default
But
If
You
Know
You
Can
Go
Into
The
Command
Line
And
Actually
There's
A
Config
File
You
Can
Turn
It
On
So
You
Can
Run
A
Mail
Server
If
You
Want
To
Now
Truthfully
Don't
People
That
Are
Using
Macs
They're
Using
More
As
Desktops
And
Application
And
Stuff
Like
That
Very
Few
People
That
I've
Heard
Of
Use
Macs
As
A
Server
There's
A
Lot
More
The
Show
Notes
You
Sent
Me
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Heard
About
The
G5
Cluster
That
Virginia
Tech
Had
That
They
Had
Built
They
Took
1100
G5
They
Called
The
Terra
Scale
Cluster
And
Apparently
There's
This
Website
Top500.org
And
They
Basically
Catalog
All
The
Supercomputers
In
The
World
This
Cluster
Was
Supposedly
Third
On
Their
List
Of
The
Fastest
Supercomputers
Really
Yeah
And
There's
Actually
A
Website
If
You
Go
To
Computing
Dot
VT
Dot
E
D
U
It's
Got
Pictures
And
It
Explains
How
They
Set
The
Whole
Thing
Up
They're
Using
It
For
Some
High
End
Computing
Stuff
But
There's
Actually
A
Lot
Maybe
Not
So
Much
In
The
Past
But
I
Think
Now
You
Find
A
Lot
More
People
Are
Switching
Over
To
Max
With
OS
10
For
Servers
Just
Because
The
Unix
Space
Right
Well
That
Changes
A
Lot
Plus
The
Hardware
They
Came
Out
With
The
X
Serve
Which
Is
A
Rack
Mounted
Server
Which
They
Never
Had
Before
Right
Previously
It
Was
Just
A
Reconfigured
G4
But
Now
They
Actually
Have
These
Rack
Mount
Servers
And
I've
Never
Done
Anything
With
One
Of
But
I
Hear
They
Are
Really
Nice
Pricey
I'll
Bet
Too
Oh
Yeah
Well
Actually
I
Don't
Know
It
Depends
Different
Configurations
They're
Probably
You
Know
$2,500
Maybe
I
Don't
Know
What
A
Full
Blown
Wintel
Server
Would
Cost
But
Right
Well
Of
Course
It
Would
Depend
On
Configurations
As
Well
Exactly
But
There's
A
Lot
More
People
Switching
You
From
What
I've
Read
And
Everything
All
The
Research
I've
Done
A
Lot
Of
People
Are
Adapting
You
Know
Using
These
Of
10
Base
Servers
Just
Because
Of
The
Unix
Capabilities
Interesting
Very
Interesting
But
You
Know
I
Think
Windows
Probably
Has
Like
Built
In
Web
Hosting
I'm
Not
Sure
Web
Server
Yeah
Well
Web
Server
Of
10
Got
Apache
As
Part
Of
It
Comes
With
Apache
Basically
You
Button
And
You
Can
Host
Your
Website
On
Your
Computer
If
You
Really
Wanted
To
Right
But
Then
It
Comes
Into
A
Whole
Lot
Of
Other
Things
Come
Into
Play
Like
Your
IP
Address
Dynamics
You
Know
Broadband
Of
Course
But
That's
Yeah
That's
Universal
IP
Forwarding
Thing
From
D
DNS
Dot
No
IP
Dot
Or
Is
One
I
Do
There
Several
Yeah
There
Several
But
That's
The
Other
Thing
Anybody
Gets
A
Chance
To
Play
With
OS
10
Server
Because
There
Is
Actually
A
Server
Version
Of
OS
10
Which
We
Didn't
Get
To
Talk
About
Much
Last
Time
But
That's
Got
That's
Got
Some
Really
Cool
Stuff
In
It
Too
It's
Got
You
Know
Mail
Print
Web
Servers
And
I've
Used
That
I've
Used
That
For
A
Couple
Different
Things
And
Actually
When
I
Had
My
Site
Hosted
Here
A
Generic
G3
G4
Just
A
Normal
Desktop
System
Will
It
Interface
Cleanly
And
Easily
With
Your
Windows
Boxes
And
Or
Linux
Boxes
Could
You
Add
One
To
Your
Network
As
Another
Node
And
Communicate
With
The
Boxes
I
Haven't
Done
It
With
A
Linux
Box
But
I've
Done
It
With
Windows
And
It's
I
I've
Heard
People
They
Have
Problems
Getting
To
Talk
To
Each
Other
Every
Time
I've
Done
It
It's
Worked
Seamlessly
OS
10
Has
SMB
File
Sharing
As
Part
Of
It
There's
Basically
A
Little
Button
You
Click
Windows
File
Sharing
You
Click
It
And
Bam
You
Can
Share
With
Windows
Machines
And
Windows
Machines
Can
Share
With
It
Yeah
Exactly
And
I've
Actually
Been
Able
To
Go
The
Other
Way
Too
That
When
You
Go
To
File
Share
On
The
Mac
The
Windows
Machine
Shows
Up
Good
Deal
The
Only
Problem
I've
Come
Across
Is
That
The
File
Naming
Because
I
Think
SMB
Adheres
To
The
DOS
Naming
Protocol
Right
Not
Really
Sure
But
There's
Something
I read
On
Apple
Site
That
You
Can't
Have
Things
Like
Backslashes
Or
Pound
Signs
Or
There's
Certain
Characters
You
Can't
Have
In
The
File
Name
Because
If
You
Try
And
Transfer
The
Error
Well
It's
Not
Smart
Enough
To
Interpret
It
To
A
More
Readable
Character
Before
It
Writes
It
Just
Changes
No
See
I
Think
In
OS
10
You
Can
Have
31
Characters
For
File
Name
Or
Something
Like
That
That's
A
Limitation
In
OS X
But
Whatever
The
Naming
Limitations
In
10
Are
They
Don't
Translate
To
SMB
So
If
You
Send
A
File
Over
To
A
Windows
Machine
By SMB
You'd
Have
To
Make
Sure
That
It
Adhered
To
That
You
Couldn't
Have
Like
You
Know
Some
Of
The
Funky
Characters
Like
Ampersands
I
Think
Were
One
Of
Them
So
You
Just
Have
To
Change
The
Name
Of
The
File
That's
The
Only
Problem
I've
Come
Across
With
That
Yeah
Well
That's
I
Guess
That's
Fairly
Minor
But
To
Answer
Your
Question
Yes
They've
Come
A
Long
Way
Making
The
Cross
Platform
Networking
Is
Pretty
Much
Painless
As
It
Can
Be
I
Think
Yeah
I
Really
Would
Be
Interested
In
Seeing
I
Mean
I'm
Sure
You
Know
This
As
Well
As
I
This
Is
No
Secret
But
Mac
Users
Have
A
Stereotype
Of
Being
Zealots
I
Mean
I'm
Sure
You're
Aware
Of
That
It's
The
God's
Honest
Truth
Yeah
So
You
Know
I
Know
That
You
Are
A
Lot
More
Open
Minded
And
You
Point
Out
Some
Of
The
Inadequacies
Here
And
Some
Of
The
Similarities
To
Linux
And
Etc
But
It's
Tough
To
Find
Unbiased
Information
Out
There
That
Will
Sit
Down
And
Literally
Compare
Okay
Performance
On
A
Mac
G4
With
These
Specs
Versus
An
Equivalent
Here
And
Have
Some
Shootouts
And
Some
Details
You
Could
Find
Some
Unbiased
And
Just
Pure
Data
But
It's
Really
Hard
It's
The
Same
Thing
As
Politics
Exactly
It's
Hard
To
Find
A
Clear
Unbiased
View
Because
Everybody
Has
A
Bias
No
Matter
What
Right
But
You
Know
I
Tend
To
Ignore
All
That
I
Mean
Like
I
Said
Back
In
App
Ten
You
Really
Want
To
Base
Your
Requirements
For
What
It
Is
That
You
Want
To
And
If
The
Machine
Does
What
You
Want
Then
That's
The
Main
Consideration
I
Mean
Sure
I
Could
Have
Gone
Out
And
Got
A
You
Know
Like
A
Dell
Presario
Or
Whatever
They're
Called
That
Probably
Has
A
3
Gigahertz
Processor
But
You
Know
What
It's
Apples
And
Oranges
You
Know
It's
Well
There's
Got
To
Be
Some
Way
To
Compare
I
Mean
A
One
Gigahertz
G4
That's
What
You
Just
Got
Right
Yep
I
Mean
What
Would
Be
I
Mean
It's
Not
Going
To
Be
The
Same
As
A
One
Gigahertz
P4
G4
P4
Not
It
Wouldn't
Be
Equivalent
To
A
One
Gigahertz
Pentium
Ford
Because
There's
So
Many
Variables
I
Mean
The
Chip
Architecture
For
One
Thing
Is
Completely
Different
Right
So
People
Don't
Quite
Understand
How
To
Make
That
The
Only
The
Only
Way
I
Think
That
You
Could
Come
Up
With
Some
Sort
Of
Real
World
Comparison
Is
To
Go
To
An
Office
Go
To
Like
A
Design
Firm
And
Stick
If
You
Have
Your
Own
Computer
Set
Up
The
Way
You
Want
And
You
Could
Have
The
Same
Exact
Hardware
If
You
Went
Someplace
Else
If
It
Wasn't
Set
Up
Exactly
The
Way
You're
Used
To
At
Home
You're
Going
To
Be
Fumbling
To
Find
Where
The
Certain
Folders
Are
You're
Going
To
Find
Where
Is
This
Application
Located
You
Know
What
I
Mean
Right
So
You
Could
Have
I
Mean
Somebody
Actually
Said
To
Well
Won't
We
Just
Take
An
Office
And
Put
Mac
In
This
Corner
PC
In
That
Corner
Well
What
Are
The
People
Using
Are
Going
To
Be
Used
To
Using
One
Computer
Right
Well
You
Know
You
Gotta
Create
Some
Similarities
And
Start
With
I
Think
The
Only
Way
To
Get
An
Honest
To
Goodness
Comparison
Is
To
Do
Some
Of
The
Things
That
People
Normally
Do
Like
Open
Up
Photoshop
With
The
Same
File
And
Some
There's
Benchmarking
Some
Of
The
Tests
Do
That
They'll
Use
A
Photoshop
File
And
How
Long
Does
It
Take
It
To
Do
Gaussian
Blur
Or
How
Long
It
To
Change
Color
Modes
Or
Whatever
But
Then
Again
You've
Got
So
Many
There's
Different
Variables
For
The
For
The
System
I
How
Fast
You
Know
What
Is
It
A
5200
RPM
Drive
Or
7200
RPM
Drive
What
Kind
Of
RAM
Does
It
Have
Well
Again
You'd
Have
To
Come
Up
With
Standards
But
You
Have
To
Come
Up
With
Standards
And
Honestly
I
Don't
Know
How
You
Would
Do
That
It
Would
Be
Tough
But
At
There's
Got
To
Something
Better
Out
There
Than
There
Is
Now
Right
Now
You
Can't
Find
Anything
Shooter
Like
They're
Going
To
Catch
So
Much
Hell
For
That
And
They
Did
Because
You
Can't
You
Can't
Come
Up
With
A
Marketing
Ploy
Like
That
Without
Being
Able
To
Back
It
Up
And
Okay
Maybe
For
A
Day
Or
Two
It
Might
Have
Been
But
You
Know
Not
Long
After
The
G5
Came
Out
AMD
Came
Out
With
Their
64
Bit
Processors
Right
Well
And
AMD
Has
Kind
Of
Further
Blurred
Things
With
The
Way
They
Changed
Their
Naming
You
Know
They're
Not
Going
With
Gigahertz
Anymore
They're
Going
By
2200
2400
3000
Which
Doesn't
Equate
To
2400
Is
Not
Equal
To
2.4
Gigahertz
Necessarily
It's
You
Know
It's
There's
Got
To
Be
I
Would
Like
To
See
I
Guess
Personally
I
Would
Like
To
See
Something
That
Says
Okay
A
G4
1
Gigahertz
This
Intel
Box
Just
To
Get
An
Idea
And
Then
Look
When
You
See
Okay
These
Are
Somewhat
In
The
Same
Class
Same
Range
And
Then
Look
At
The
Price
Between
The
Two
Of
Them
And
See
What
The
Price
Difference
Is
And
What
Kind
Of
Bang
You
Get
For
Your
Buck
They
May
It
May
Take
And
I
Don't
Know
I'm
Making
This
Number
Out
It
May
Take
A
P4
3
Gigahertz
Machine
To
Equal
That
One
I
Don't
Know
If
That's
The
Case
Or
Not
And
That's
What
I'd
Like
To
See
Is
Is it
Equivalent
To
A
P4
Is it
Equivalent
To
A
64
Bit
Processor
From
AMD
Is it
Equivalent
To
You
Know
Yeah
No
I
Mean
Those
Are
The
Kind
Of
Things
That
Would
Be
Good
But
It
Gets
Back
To
The
Political
Thing
Who
Is
Making
The
Choices
Who
Is
Making
The
I
Mean
You
Can
Go
To
Apple's
Website
And
They'll
Say
Well
You
Of
Course
That's
What
I'm
Saying
You
Have
To
Have
An
Unbiased
Well
You
Know
It
Competes
This
The
X
Competes
Against
The
Intel
Vion
Like
Well
Then
They
Have
All
These
Little
Numbers
For
Footnotes
For
Things
At
Least
You
Get
Close
That's
All
I
Want
Is
A
Ballpark
Just
Give
Me
Clos
Honestly
I
Haven't
Seen
Them
In
A
While
It's
Been
A
Couple
Years
But
Consumer
Reports
Actually
Did
Some
Really
Good
Comparisons
Between
The
Apple
And
Orange
Type
Things
With
The
Back
When
The
Actually
It
Was
Longer
Than
When
The
Blue
And
White
G3
We
Were
Talking
The
Ninety
Or
Ninety
Nine
Ninety
Nine
But
One
Of
The
Last
I
Haven't
Read
Computer
Consumer
Reports
In
Years
But
They
Actually
Did
A
Really
Good
Job
Of
Kind
Of
Presenting
Okay
This
Is
This
Kind
Of
Computer
And
This
Is
What
It
Does
And
This
Is
What
The
PC
Does
And
They
Kind
Of
Came
The
Closest
To
What
You're
Talking
About
Right
If
They're
Still
Doing
That
Kind
Of
Thing
I
Can't
Say
But
Yeah
I'm
Sure
They
Do
But
It's
What
Time
Of
Year
What
Issue
Do
They
Do
It
In
Etc
So
All
Right
Well
That
Was
A
Nice
Long
Detailed
Review
Anybody
Who
Is
Inexperienced
Or
Not
Very
Experienced
On
The
Mac
Such
As
Myself
Hope
That
Had
Some
Enlightening
Information
There
For
You
Answered
Some
Questions
I
Had
Anyway
So
I
Got
Something
Out
Of
This
And
Actually
That
Ended
Up
Being
A
Pretty
Full
Show
Already
I
Want
To
Mention
A
Couple
Little
Things
Here
Before
We
Go
Out
Because
Actually
I
Want
To
Go
Into
More
Detail
Later
One
Quick
Thing
Is
I
Have
Been
Playing
With
A
New
Search
Engine
I
Found
Recently
It's
Called
Vivissimo
V
I
V
I
S
I
M
O
Vivissimo
Dot
Com
And
It's
A
Clustering
Engine
So
I
It's
Not
A
Search
Engine
In
And
Of
It's
Called
Clustering
Engine
It
Actually
Takes
Results
From
Other
Search
Engines
And
Well
To
Use
Their
Words
Kind
Of
Clusters
It
Together
And
Then
Kind
Of
Develops
A
List
Of
Keywords
Based
On
What
Results
It
Got
From
All
The
Other
Engines
And
What
Keywords
Were
In
Each
One
To
Kind
Of
Give
You
A
Precise
It
Acts
Kind
Of
Like
A
Portal
Or
Smart
Portal
For
Example
A
Portal
Being
Yahoo
Where
It's
Not
A
Search
So
Much
As
Categorized
Subjects
And
Keywords
And
Stuff
Like
That
So
It
Kind
Of
Does
That
But
It
Does
It
From
A
Search
Engine
Perspective
And
Clusters
The
Results
Together
Instead
Of
Chaining
Down
Through
The
Portal
So
Go
Check
That
Out
I've
Kind
Of
Been
Using
It
A
Little
Bit
Lately
Just
To
See
Really
What
Other
Things
Are
Associated
With
Because
You'll
Get
Some
Hits
When
You
Search
For
One
Item
That
You're
Like
Wait
I
Just
Typed
In
Bin
Rev
Into
It
And
You
Wouldn't
Believe
What
Came
Up
I
You know
I
Don't
Think
I've
Even
Done
That
I
Might
Have
To
Do
That
Myself
Entry
Number
One
Binary
The
Revolution
Will
Be
Digitized
There's
Our
Website
Along
The
Side
It's
Got
Clustered
Results
There's
Fifty
That
It
Lists
Yeah
And
You'll
See
Other
Things
That
Are
Associated
Yeah
I was
Going to
Say
Things
That
Are
Associated
I
Know
That
One
That
One
They
Link
To
Us
And
I
Can't
Read
The
Site
To
Tell
Why
They
Link
To
Us
Or
What
They're
Saying
About
Us
They
Could
Say
American
Devil
Site
Or
Something
For
All
I
Know
I
Don't
Know
What
This
Says
But
Yeah
They'll
Give
You
Not
Only
Links
But
Also
Other
Keywords
That
Are
Associated
With
Your
Site
So
It
So
It
Kind
Of
Clusters
These
Things
Together
Based
On
What
It
Thinks
Are
The
Keywords
And
The
Points
Of
Your
Site
So
It
Is
Best
To
Kind
Of
Go
And
See
It
And
See
What
It's
Doing
And
It'll
Kind
Of
Sink
In
And
Read
They
Have
A fact
That
Kind
Of
Explains
It
And
Stuff
Like
That
But
See
It's
Pretty
Interesting
I've
Been
Using
It
Lately
Not
Abandoning
Google
Or
Anything
Like
That
But
It
Is
Kind
Of
An
Interesting
Thing
To
Check
Out
And
It
Gets
Results
Five
Times
I'm
Sorry
So
It
Has
My
Name
Associated
With
Ben
Red
Interesting
So
That
Is
What
I've
Been
Playing
With
This
Past
Week
Go
Check
That
Out
And
It
Uses
Google
As
Well
As
Other
Search
Engels
So
You
Should
Get
All
The
Same
Results
Or
Close
To
The
Same
Results
That
You
Would
Get
From
Going
To
Google
Directly
So
I'm
Not
Saying
Drop
Google
But
Go
Try
This
Out
And
See
If
You
Like
It
So
Far
I'm
This
Is
One
Of
The
Better
More
Interesting
Search
Engines
I've
Seen
In
A
While
I
Like
To
Check
Out
Some
Of
The
Newer
Ones
To
See
What
They
So
Go
Check
That
Out
And
There's
One
Other
Story
I
Want
To
Mention
I
Again
This
Could
Be
A
Lot
More
Detail
And
It's
Actually
Two
Stories
In
One
I
Put
In
My
Show
Notes
About
Disney
World
Banning
The
Segway
Which
I
Know
Mute
Would
Love
That
Story
Segway
They're
Banned
The
Segway
From
Being
Used
In
The
Theme
Parks
And
They're
Scared
That
They're
Going
To
Get
Sued
They're
Scared
Of
The
Legal
Implications
And
Stuff
Like
That
And
They're
Banning
It
Because
Technically
It's
Not
Approved
As
A
Medical
Device
It's
Not
Approved
By
The
FDA
As
A
Safe
Medical
Disability
Device
That
The
Way
In
Time
Yeah
It
Was
An
Awful
Accident
Officer
Just
The
Segway
Came
Out
Of
Nowhere
And
Poor
Mickey
Was
Caught
In
The
Crossfire
Right
And
You
Steals
Your
Segway
But
More
Importantly
Than
That
Was
Just
Kind
Of
A
Funny
Anecdote
But
It's
Been
In
The
News
I
Guess
Yesterday
Or
Day
Before
That
Comcast
Has
Made
A
Bid
To
Do
Not
A
Hostile
Takeover
But
A
Takeover
Of
Disney
Comcast
Has
Put
In
A
Bid
To
Own
I
Think
66
Of
Disney
Corporation
So
There
Could
Be
A
Huge
Merger
Going
On
And
That
Is
A
Big
Deal
I
Mean
This
Is
Every
Bit
As
Big
As
The
AOL
Time
Warner
Merger
And
We
Seen
What
That
Done
And
We
Saw
What
A
Disaster
That
Became
And
How
AOL
Was
Spun
Back
Off
Because
It
Was
Well
Because
They
Suck
But
I
Won't
Even
Go
There
This
Could
Be
Even
Bigger
This
Could
Be
A
Huge
Thing
Because
Disney
Has
An
Affiliation
With
ABC
ESPN
All
These
Things
Fall
Under
That
Umbrella
And
Now
Comcast
Boy
That
Anyway
That
Could
Be
A
Lot
Of
That
Could
Have
A
Lot
Of
Implications
So
I
Don't
Want
To
Go
Into
Too
Much
Detail
About
It
Now
We
Really
Don't
Have
Time
Anyway
But
That
May
Be
Something
We
Talk
About
In
The
Upcoming
Episodes
Because
That
Could
Be
A
Really
Big
Deal
That
We
All
Need
To
Keep
An
Eye
On
Yeah
That
Could
Be
Nasty
That
Could
Be
Nasty
Especially
Depending
On
How
Well
Anyway
We'll
Have
To
Talk
About
That
On
Another
Episode
Because
We
Have
To
Wrap
This
Up
I
Think
We're
A
Little
Over
Not
Too
Awful
Bad
So
Why
Don't
You
Do
You
Have
Any
Shout
Out
You
Want
To
Give
Out
This
Week
Well
I
Want
We
Can't
Have
From
Episode
10
To
33
We
Can't
Have
Such
A
Long
Gap
We
Got
To
Have
You
On
Again
Sometime
Soon
So
We
Definitely
Got
To
Work
That
Out
I
Just
Got
Off
The
Phone
Literally
Before
The
Show
With
Rocket
Over
At
Interzone
Working
Out
Some
Details
With
Them
So
I
Give
Shout
Out
To
Those
Guys
Putting
Together
Interzone
Convention
In
April
Up
In
Hot
Lana
So
Checking
That
Out
And
Doing
Some
Episodes
From
Up
There
We
Are
Going
To
Work
Out
The
Details
But
It
Looks
Like
We're
Going
To
Do
Some
Recording
I
Don't
Know
If
We're
Going
To
Stream
We
Originally
To
Around
The
Of
Streaming
The
Whole
Weekend
I
Don't
Know
If
We're
Going
To
Go
Through
With
That
Because
That
Could
Be
A
Logistical
Nightmare
So
What
We're
Probably
Going
To
Do
Is
Air
Or
Stream
From
Their
Live
Maybe
Each
Night
With
A
Summary
And
Recap
Possibly
Some
Interviews
And
Stuff
Like
That
So
When
We
Get
More
Detail
On
That
We
Will
Let
You
Know
If
You
Have
Any
Feedback
For
Us
You
Know
To
Email
Us
Radio
At
Ben
Rev
Dot
Com
And
Our
Closing
Music
Today
Is
From
Brad
Sucks
That's
His
Name
And
You
Can
Go
To
Brad
Sucks
Dot
Net
I
Believe
It
Is
Don't
Go
To
Brad
Sucks
Dot
Com
You'll
Get
Something
Completely
Unexpected
Or
Any
Of
The
Other
Brad
Sucks
Dot
Whatever
It's
Brad
Sucks
Dot
Net
Check
Out
Some
Of
His
Music
This
One
I
Pulled
Is
Gangsta
Love
He's
Giving
Me
Permission
We're
Going
To
Play
Some
Of
His
Some
Different
Tracks
Of
His
And
Upcoming
Shows
Because
I
Think
The
Guys
Are
Really
Talented
He's
Got
Some
Good
Stuff
So
We're
Going
To
Close
With
That
Tonight
And
Logan
Five
Thank
You
So
Much
For
Being
On
The
Show
It's
Been
So
Long
Yeah
Well
We'll
Have
To
Work
You
In
More
Often
And
Get
You
On
Here
To
Talk
I
Mean
We
Really
Do
Need
A
Mac
Perspective
On
Things
And
I
Know
That
Sounds
Good
I
Have
To
Get
Back
Looking
On
This
Magazine
Well
Please
By
All
Means
Let's
Get
On
That
We
Won't
Want
To
Keep
You
So
We'll
Just
Tell
Everybody
That
We
Will
See
Them
All
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
I
Never
Smiled
I
Was
Always
Sad
I
Told
Her
Stuff
And
My
Ass
Gets
Damn
I
Asked
Her
Why
Here
Is
What
She
Said
Oh
Cause
What
You
Need
Is
A
Little
Case
To
Love
Than
Name
Case
To
Love
Oh
What
You
Need
Is
A
Little
Case
To
Love
Than
Name
Case
To
Love
Than
Name
I
Do
I
Finally
Had
Enough
I
Told
The
Girl
You
Better
Give
Me
Love
She
Slap
Me
Down
And
She
Fuck
Me
Up
Is
What
She
Said
When
She
Got
Done
Oh
Cause
What
You
Need
Is
A
Little
Case
Love
Than
Name
Case
To
Love
Oh
What
You
Need
Is
A
Little
Case
To
Love
Than
Name
Case
To
Love
Can
Change
Up
Girl
You
Know
I
Only
Want
Your
Attention
And
Your
Love
You
Just
Want
Sex
But
I
Want
To
Talk
About
My
Feelings
All
Night
Long
But
Tonight
I
Got
A
Headache
Cause
You
Kick
Me
In
The
Face
то
You
Got
So give me love
I'm gonna kill you
Yeah I'm gonna kill you
I'm gonna kill you
Oh, oh, oh, what you mean
I'm gonna call him earlier
I'm gonna take out your defeat
I'm gonna kill you
than I'm gonna kill you
What you mean
I'm gonna call him earlier
Oh, yeah.