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Get ready to move on to the planet, get ready, the digital dog pump presents binary revolution

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radio, now launch the base.

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Get ready to move on to the planet, get ready to move on to the planet, get ready to move

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on to the planet, get ready to move on to the planet, get ready to move on to the planet,

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Packers unite

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Get ready

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Big man, grab the system

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Packers unite

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Kiss unite

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Hackers unite

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Back the planet

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Back the system

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Get ready

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To hack the system

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Get ready

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To hack

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Back to the British

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Be ready

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Back to the British

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The French

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The French

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The French

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The French

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The French

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The French

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The French

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The revolution will be digitized.

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The revolution will be digitized.

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The revolution will be digitized.

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to be free whether we take it by force or we take it night free you feel that rattle in your bones

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when i tell you we just hacked out jones and nasdaq leaves you flat on your back because i am he who

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loves to hack and crack because i am he who loves to hack and crack this is dedicated to the hackers

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and the criminals serial codes source codes isos rams sips this is dedicated to the hackers

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this is jenny's assistant jenny isn't here she's listening to default radio and defaultradio.com

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that's www.defaultradio.com and remember don't leave you a password on default like jenny did

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to disconnect press 1 if you still want to leave a message for this person

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press 3 or simply stay on the line at the tone please record your message when you have

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finished recording you may hang up or press 1 for more options all right hello ladies and gentlemen

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hackers and freakers boys and girls children of all ages i am stank dog and you are listening

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to binary revolution radio episode number 38 we are coming to you on this day in history

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march 23rd 2004 that is when we originally aired but if you're listening to a rerun where were you on

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march 23rd uh the opening that you heard just before my wonderful voice came on was our good friends

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over at default radio they had a little fun with a um a number that was actually for sale

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on ebay earlier this week and it's the famous number from that song jenny

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well somebody was trying to sell that number and a new york area code i believe and they did what

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default radio keeps preaching about and reminding people not to do over and over again

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they left it on default so some people we won't mention any names but some people had a little

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fun with that and that's the opening that you just heard so that's a nice transition into the

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housekeeping section oh but but wait stank you haven't introduced your co-host yet today

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oh well i'm not gonna introduce my co-host yet today because today episode 38 we are finally

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going to announce the newest member of ddp who is my co-host who is on the line right now but i'm just

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going to yank you guys along in irc i'm just going to yank you and tease you and i might i might reveal

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it in a few minutes i don't know we'll see about how that goes but before we do a little bit more

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housekeeping i want to inform people of a very very cool system that in theory has set up his

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asterisk box asterisk box excuse me at 914-595-0135 call this number and he has set up a very very cool

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system with some options on it that you can call uh you'll get a dial tone to start off with but

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basically that's a menu and you can push some buttons on there push in some codes and get some

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pretty cool stuff for example press number one and it will start playing to you through your phone

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obviously that would be accessible anywhere that you can call it from a payphone from your office

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phone anywhere cell phone press number one and it will play evan doorbells how i became a freak part

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one so wherever you are if you're bored you want to listen to that you can dial that number

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press one to hear it or you can press two to get episodes of radio freak america you can press

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number three to get past episodes of binary revolution radio or press nine for a nice little anac

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so if you want your anac you can call that lots of cool stuff and more to come from what i understand

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so all you freaks can go check that out and our co-host is still not going to be announced dan that's

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just evil of me that's just wrong um some more housekeeping before we got a couple emails but

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before i talk about that we have made some updates to the website that a lot of the regular

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visitors to the site night site have probably noticed excuse me i took out some dead links i

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cleaned up some um some of the link boxes we had in the template that change gets affected throughout

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the whole site so you'll notice all the pages have a few different link boxes on them now change the irc

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logo to be clickable so all your windows users you can click and it will automatically launch your irc

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client whatever that happens to be whatever it's associated with and join the BinRev channel so

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that's pretty cool a long time over i should have done that a long time ago um and we changed the radio

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image on the front and i'm going to give some early shout outs here to random hero thank you very much

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and IRC during last week's show actually he did this for me changed the image so that it tells the new

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address of our new um ddp hack radio server which we're going to talk about that in a little bit too

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um but that is not not the big announcement this time the big announcement is the newest

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latest and greatest official member of ddp and i don't think we should drag it out any longer

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yeah yeah i do actually actually i do i know you guys and IRC are hating me right now but don't hate

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the play i hate the game before we do let's go on to an email well you know if i was listening this

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this would be really annoying to not know who's on the other end of the line but i'll shoot this email

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quick alpha omega 13 sent me an email which this is a really cool email first of all says it's very

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short says i appreciate what you're doing don't know if you care have a wallpaper that you can

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add if you want great show listen daily very informative complete sentence lack of complete

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sentences aside very cool email we appreciate it um it sounds really corny to say this but i

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absolutely we care we're glad that you like the show i completely care about everybody listening

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to the show it's very cool that you enjoy it i try to make it enjoyable you know so anytime you

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guys send me an email like this i'm very appreciative as well i'm trying to do trying

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to get on here each week and put out the best show i can so i'm glad that somebody is liking it so

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that's cool even if i know some people out there don't exactly agree with me or don't like what i

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have to say you know whatever it's all good he also sent me some wallpaper which i'm going to try

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to put up in the gallery not sure exactly what the wallpaper is frankly but i'm gonna try to put

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that up in the gallery um and i'm sure hack and slash will probably take care of that um so we'll

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put that on his to-do list uh we got one more email from fog i don't know if i should call that fog

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or fog stands for something but he says i heard about the show a few days ago and i must say it's great

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i won't stop till i download all of the episodes which will take a while since i'm on 56k dial-up

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sucks to be you uh also i was wondering how old are you something around 30 anyways keep up the good

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work yes 30 something is close enough close enough for government work so again same to you thanks for

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listening i like hearing people uh giving us feedback especially from other countries so thank you

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very much for that i appreciate it um and you know what speaking of other countries and experiences

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abroad and since i just gave a little hint a little teaser i think as we start the show and tell i think

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it might be best to start the show and tell with my co-host for the evening and the newest member of

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the digital dog pound and this time i am not teasing you anymore i'm not joking i have to say welcome

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hack and slash to the show um it is definitely good to be here and i know you were hanging on to

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to waiting for me i kept teasing the audience there a little bit and i know they're hating me for it

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yeah i would i would be hating on you too man if uh you did that while i was uh listening to it

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you know well you know i gotta keep you know i gotta keep a little bit of a tease going on but

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yeah you know i'm kind of running out of breath i need you to come in here and bail me out for a minute

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well yeah i don't know i mean well let's start in the housekeeping section i know

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you got one thing that we're going to talk about later which is actually going to be the main topic

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of the show but um what else have you been working on lately we all know that you're you know you do a

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lot of um maintenance on the site frankly you help us out a whole lot which is really one of the

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reasons that we we really decided it was time to offer you a position as it were with ddp

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um so we know you're doing stuff with the gallery all the time we know you help moderate the forums a

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lot and actually this is we kind of put a little a little hint if anybody was uh really paying

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attention in the forums that you had moderator power for quite a while there yeah i don't think

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anybody quite picked up on that we gave some hints we gave some teases out there but nobody picked up

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on it well i mean i've never uh warned anybody yet so i guess uh that's why nobody noticed really

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well i've been warning some people i've been warning my ass off lately i've been getting busy

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with it that warned that i'm glad we added that one thing that was hopefully we won't need it anymore

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i mean yeah well true hopefully but let's be realistic yeah so far so good though i think um i think we've

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been good for a while now but have you been working on something else or do you want to you want to

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hold off on your main topic or did you want to talk about some other things or what's that uh yeah well

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i've been working first of all just let me say that um you said you changed the uh IRC picture

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um and that windows users could uh click on it and get an IRC well there's a mozilla and i mean

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there's a firefox uh extension and i'm not sure if mozilla supports it but that lets you do exactly

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the same thing you can uh uh uh have the uh mail to tag work and IRC and fdp as well well right it's

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going to whatever whatever's been associated through the browser whatever application is

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associated to that protocol so i would assume so but yeah you're confirming for me that you've done

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that in firefox yeah okay good deal with the regular mozilla but i'm i'm positive firefox works so

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okay yeah um other than that i mean i've been working uh as people know who uh hang out with me

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and IRC i've been working on hackburn for a couple months now yeah how is that going um it's going

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pretty well i'm working with gray static on it well he's helping out with bug testing and stuff like

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that props to him and uh well and before you why don't you actually give a little bit of a

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of an overview and just kind of refresh everybody exactly what hackburn is okay well hackburn is just

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the uh quote unquote code code name i'm going to be renaming it to something more uh presentable

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you know okay i want to feed my ego off of that that much so but it's practically a pearl tk um graphic

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interface to cd record mk isfs and uh mpg123 so it practically lets you burn when uh cds

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and is this something that you you you had you decided that you wanted to learn as you did this

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right yeah you you wanted to teach yourself a lot of this stuff and at the same time do something

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yeah that you could use right because um back when i was using uh kde uh i was using k3b which is a kd

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uh cd writer and it sucked really bad i mean i know people that will swear by it but it just sucks

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so uh and i needed something really lightweight and not really gdk because that's still kind of heavy

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and i thought that pearl tk would be a great tool to use for this and also uh to let me learn some more

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so right and that's you know i'm the same way if i'm going to do something and i want to learn stuff

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i want to actually apply it towards something that can be used or something that can be you know i

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don't want to just do a hello world you know i actually want to give myself some sort of challenge

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and some sort of goal to work towards and something that i can actually use afterwards

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so that's definitely a definitely a good way to learn and i'm going to be uh posting it to fresh

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meat and about a month i'm thinking is my time frame so watch out for that one all right and we will

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definitely put links up and everything when that time comes and i guess i don't let's see where

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should i start here i myself have been doing a lot of reading like i always do regular listeners know

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that i subscribe to every magazine under the sun but recently i've actually been going real real old

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school um i ordered some back issues of blacklisted 411 magazine which i mentioned before and i finished

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another one of these old episodes or episodes i guess issues i should say and this one was volume two

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volume two issue three which came out third quarter july 1995 so let's go back and get a little

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nostalgia getting that mindset that mind frame here and i thought i'd do a little quick review of this

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even though this is old old material i i like reading some of this old stuff believe it or not

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some of it is still applicable still useful and still interesting while other stuff is actually kind of

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funny and humorous and i'll i'll get to a couple of those first of all this in general this was a much

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better issue the one i talked about last week was volume two issue one this is volume two issue three

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and i skipped two because i already have that somewhere and i didn't go back and reread them

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in order so volume two issue three better better infinitely better the last one the thing that i did

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not like about and i mentioned was that it had just tons and tons of ads in it and the stuff that was

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not ads was a bunch of lists bbs listing and and modem string lists and stuff like that interesting i guess

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useful but the kind of thing that i personally would just wait and look up online or store in a

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text file somewhere and look it up when i need be that's what google's for yeah exactly but back then

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you know let's got to get that 1995 mindset here so i guess you know back then and and again this one

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had some more of that don't get me wrong it had bbs listings for gosh i don't even remember now because

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i skipped right past them because it was you know it just didn't do anything for me so

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had some bbs listings a they're old b they would only be interesting to you if you were living in

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that area this one was new jersey i see well i guess it'd be pretty cool to see if any of them were

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still up i guess but well yeah i mean i don't know that there are that's that's an interesting

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question that's a question for people to write into us radio at binrev.com let us know if you

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actually know and still use a bbs system if you still dial up to an old school bbs or you run an

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old school bbs because so many of them have changed like oh you know moomoo security they've got one

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that's set up but it's all over the web it's different you know it's not exactly the same thing

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so that doesn't count are there any old school dial-ups left out there i'd be interested to hear

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that because i just i think they're all dead i haven't owned a modem in about two years yeah i

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mean i've no i've got modems laying around that's definitely got the modems but i don't use them for

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that type of stuff much anymore and you'd think that there's still people out there doing some

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war dialing you'd think that they you'd still see and hear about them in forums and websites and

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stuff like that and i just don't even see or hear them mentioned anymore

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but anyway that's you know this is again these are reference materials and like you said stuff

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you could google or look up later there's an abbreviation list in here i don't know why i mean

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it's not even abbreviation listing of just different i mean this is silly like some of these are obvious

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or we know like ack acknowledge you know cynac we know that uh adsl asymmetrical digital subscriber line

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did i really need to have this one two three four five six and a half page list and this is only a

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through c so i'm sure in the next one they're going to start with d and blah blah blah i mean

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okay how about like i don't this is not going to change my life right here crfmp and i'm picking

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these at random crfmp you ever heard of such a thing uh no i have not even when i tell you this

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you're still never going to hear of that's one cable repair force management plan okay what is that

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i i don't know who cares about this why would they print something like this does that have anything to

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do with cable modems and i in 1995 yeah i guess i see your point i don't you know i'm like i don't

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i don't know seems silly to me but hey whatever it's still even it had that in it it had bbs it had

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um it even had this joke like this type of stuff you would send around an email it's called bathroom

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men types of men one would meet in a public restroom well first of all that just sounds dirty

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in 1995 maybe it was a much more innocent time or something like that i don't know but i'm not

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meeting strange men in the bathroom that just sounds perverted to me but hey what am i talking about

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um there in even this one had a games tip let me see what the games were i'm curious now i did not

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check that out games tips in in the quote official hackers magazine uh lemmings classic classic kick-ass

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game don't get me wrong but it has a list of lemmings cheat codes john madden football paper boy

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two smash tv another kick-ass game and super r type so how's that for dating it paper boy what two

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paper boy two i've never heard of that yeah right well uh let's see press six four seven nine pressing

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right on the control pad whatever not what i was really expecting interesting but whatever

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um but the thing is the articles that were around all of this stuff this time were much much better

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than they were in the other magazine the other one i was just like i didn't get much out of at all

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this one i have to say had some good articles in it one in particular um was from someone called x

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spook i don't know if he still exists today and if he possibly listens to the show but he had an

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article uh called cheating without cheat codes and how to count to hex ff now this one i thought was

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still a good article because a talked about computing number systems something that's near and dear to me

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and a topic i love and we had an article a similar article by fiend in binary revolution magazine

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this one talked about specifically decimal to hex for the most part and then hex to binary and the

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relationship between them but then it went on to apply this towards video gaming and editing and

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modifying your saved games to use them to cheat at video games now that part's a little bit you know

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whatever but the fundamentals of this and how it works and why it works i thought was very cool and

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it was pretty well written i have to say it was pretty decent so

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um it kind of seemed like it might have been you know he talks about hex editing and modifying your

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saved game files and how you can change your shields to be a certain number and how much power your

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weapons do and stuff like that but fundamentally this is the same thing that people do in cracking

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software now it's changed and it's gotten more sophisticated lately but fundamentally you know this

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was how cracking began and first started people would see where uh things were changing in memory and

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they were checking registration sometimes the files were just an encrypted file that was registered

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and you could figure out what was being changed it was hex codes it was registry entries and stuff like

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that so if you understand this concept it is very very rudimentary introduction to cracking in general

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and when i say cracking i mean writing cracks for software kind of more in the where

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juarez communities per se these days

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um

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oh another funny thing that dated this

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right here on page 31 here's a full page ad for

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defcon 3

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oh man you gotta scan that and put it up in the gallery

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you know i that's a good idea i did not think i might just do that

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this i when i saw this i was like wow 1995 defcon 3 alternative computer convention august 4th to 6th las vegas

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but some of this stuff some of this stuff still it still goes on you know like um

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let's see first of all it's kind of funny it says loads of fun k-rad events include and it's kind of

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elitized which i thought was funny

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uh spot the fed they had back then

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uh red box building contest

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uh t1 video conference with other cyber cafes

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uh illuminati nwo and magic contests

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i'm not sure what that is i think magic is that old is the card game

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if if that's what i'm thinking of i'm not sure if that's what they were talking about or something worse

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but um they had hacker jeopardy

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back then i didn't realize that had been around so long

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and uh they listed some of the speakers here

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it's a full page ad it has the defcon voice system i don't know if that number still works or still exists

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um man

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thirty dollars in advance forty dollars at the door

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what is it what is it now

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you know what i do not know the answer to that

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i seems like i think

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i vaguely

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somebody correct me but i want to say it was eighty bucks

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now for the weekend

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i think

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but i could be wrong

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maybe eighty bucks per day i'm not sure

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well yeah with inflation and everything so

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well i guess it's really not

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that's ten years almost

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that's almost ten years ago man

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that's

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yeah

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yeah that's that's nothing to sneeze at man

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um

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anyway to try to wrap this up a little bit more quickly

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there was another article on ufos in the back of this

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whoopty freaking do

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i guess

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whatever floats your boat

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but

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hacker magazine ufos

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didn't do anything for me

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uh there was a good article

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it was a reach

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but i liked it

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it was on arcade game

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piracy

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and about how the rom

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how about how the actual

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boards

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the pcbs

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on these

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pinball machines

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and arcade games

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and stuff

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get copied

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and how they're pirated

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and how the

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some of the legal loopholes

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that existed back then

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and actually this was written

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with a historic perspective

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talking about pre-1995

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as well as

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modern day

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well written

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and i thought it was interesting

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um

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it says by

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sir harry wozniak

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but

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i think we know that's a pseudonym

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obviously

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um

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there was also an article

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this didn't do much for me

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but some of the freaks out there

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might like it

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it was cellular hacking

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what exactly is it anyway

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by someone called

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digital thunder

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um

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it

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had some great diagrams

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but

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frankly i couldn't follow it

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because i didn't know a lot of this terminology

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i'm not a

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not a big freak

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so i didn't

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didn't do too well reading this one

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um

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there

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it has an amiga section

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that's something else that'll date this

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it has an amiga section

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which i thought

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is very cool to even have such a thing

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because back then

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the amiga was pretty cool system

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never caught on

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it never really grew

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but

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amiga had a pretty cool system

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this was mostly just news items

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and

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generic stuff wasn't really an article per se

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but i just thought it was

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pretty cool to even have it in the first place

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kind of like we're going to start

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um

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having a more regular mac section

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a hackintosh section if you will

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so

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i thought that was pretty cool

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so all in all

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i thought this was

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head and shoulders above the previous issue

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still had what i thought was some

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i won't say wasted space

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but some

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topics that could have been used somewhere else

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so

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have you

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do you have any issues with blacklist

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did you ever read this at all

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uh

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no

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no

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no

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not at all

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i mean

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um

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are there any uh

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they're not still in publishing rights

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well and that's that's the thing

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that's why i'm bringing this back up here

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ten years later

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um not so much because we're hard up for material

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well that's always the case

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but because they just recently came back

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and started publishing again

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so they are back in the news

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they have started releasing the magazine lately

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from what i understand

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now i ordered the newest issue and haven't gotten it

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so i don't know what's up with that

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um i think you mentioned something about

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they had to print some extras or

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they're stuck at the printers or something like that

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so it should be coming

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but i ordered these back issues at the same time

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and got them already

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so yes they are being republished now

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so you can

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i don't know exactly where you can find them

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you can definitely go to the website

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uh blacklisted

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i think it's blacklisted.net or blacklisted411.net

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i don't recall

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but it'll it's in the show notes from last week i think

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and it'll be there again this week i'll make sure

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um

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but they

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i remember them

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the issues that i had

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they were very hard to find anyway

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and it was around 94, 96

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in that range

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so

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i guess they probably stopped around 96, 97

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at least as far as i know

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yeah

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so you never saw any back then

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uh well back then i was

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six

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oh man suddenly i am so old

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i am so incredibly old

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well i guess you'll get the second generation now

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blacklisted and we'll check that out and see how it is

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and i'll

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if and when i ever get it

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we'll talk about that one on the air too

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and and uh

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see if how much they've changed if at all

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uh definitely looks a lot better

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color cover stuff like that now

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but um

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and i actually sent in an article to them last week

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i got in touch with the

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the publisher and the people over there

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and um

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i don't know if they're going to be able to use it or anything

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but i sent in an article to them so

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we'll see how that goes

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now one other thing that i wanted to mention

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is that

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and this is kind of local

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so i know a lot of people might not

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i'll make this quick

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we have something in fort lauderdale coming up

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called the tech galaxy conference

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it's going to be march 27th

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which is a week from airing almost a week

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the upcoming weekend

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tech galaxy 04

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and what this is

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is a conference

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conference put on by a group called flux which is florida uh florida linux unit users group

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users exchange excuse me i think it is

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and also put on with s so flow jug which is south florida java users group

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and they're putting on basically it's the first time they've ever done this

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they're trying to get all of florida's user groups together for one big conference

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so the linux users groups and the java users groups and the database user groups and stuff like that

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some of which i'm members of some of them not

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um

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are getting all together

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and at the last minute cy pete

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uh who's written articles for bin rev

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uh good friend

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uh signed up

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our local 2600 group

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so we're going to try to go there and represent a little bit

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uh it's going to be

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at nova southeast university

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if anybody is down here would like to attend

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by all means attend please

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check that out

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um

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going to be tables set up for every group

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there's going to be a 45 minute seminar by each group

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so there's going to be seminars going on all day

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it's exhibitors

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stuff like that

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so

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not sure exactly what to expect

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but i will be at that this weekend

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i'm sure i'll talk about it on the next show

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uh how that went

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and that's

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that's what i've been working on

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we've got a big topic coming up on the show

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and i don't want to take too much time from it

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the only other thing i want to mention

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i guess this is a good point

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to talk about the

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ddp hack radio server

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now hopefully

33:48.160 --> 33:50.460
you're listening to this episode on that

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unless there was a problem of some sort

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we have the hack radio server up and running

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seems to be fairly steady

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we've been testing it over the past month

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off and on

33:58.720 --> 33:59.520
testing bandwidth

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testing consistency

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testing the software

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and getting it set up

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and stuff like that

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so

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as you're well aware

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default started on that

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a couple weeks ago

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and they seem to be doing well

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and today will be our first official

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streaming to

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the new ddp hack radio server

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so

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we changed

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as i mentioned earlier

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we changed the graphic on the front page

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so that if you click

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you will go directly to

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our server now

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instead of

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over at rant radio

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now we're still streaming to rant radio

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don't get me wrong

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and people who are going through rant radio

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we're still there

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but

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we have a backup

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because we had some problems

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with the server being down before

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so we just want to make sure

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that we get the show streamed out

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through a couple different locations

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so

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please check that out

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and report any problems

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you're having with that

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we've got a scheduling grid up

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if you go to the radio.binrev.com page

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you'll see a link to the schedule

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that you can check on

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and that's growing

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we're adding stuff to it

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as we get new shows

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signed up

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and work out some

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scheduling things

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and stuff like that

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so

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make sure you check that out

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often to see what we've been

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adding to it

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and

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that's enough for me man

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I'm tired just from talking

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about all that crap

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I think

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now would be a good time

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and pardon me

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I'm going to have a glass of iced tea here

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ah

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that's real bad radio

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but

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our main topic today

35:20.860 --> 35:22.800
is going to be from my co-host

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hack and slash

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have you

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do you have a drink handy

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are you all ready

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because you're about to do some talking here

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no I don't

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but I'll be good

35:29.660 --> 35:30.680
alright now

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today's main topic

35:32.180 --> 35:32.760
is

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something that I know

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you've been playing with

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for a while now

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and that is

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the new Linux 264

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is that correct

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264 kernel

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yeah

35:40.900 --> 35:41.920
ok so

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that's the latest

35:42.800 --> 35:43.800
why don't you

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start wherever you think

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is the best

35:45.660 --> 35:46.100
because I know

35:46.100 --> 35:46.620
you've been spending

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quite a bit of time with it

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and

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I guess basically

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give us a little bit

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of a review

35:51.600 --> 35:52.240
what's good

35:52.240 --> 35:52.880
what's bad

35:52.880 --> 35:53.540
what's different

35:53.540 --> 35:55.080
however you want to start

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well

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I don't think

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it would be

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that informative

35:59.600 --> 36:00.720
to start with

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2.6.4

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since

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these point releases

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are

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they have been

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very

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released very often

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as is usually

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the case

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with the Linux kernel

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right

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so they're mostly

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bug fixes

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some driver updates

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stuff like that

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the main

36:20.300 --> 36:21.980
point I want to make

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is the difference

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between

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2.4

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and 2.6

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oh absolutely

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and

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there's a couple

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of

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really big

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differences there

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first of all

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they have

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a new

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scheduler

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which has been

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in there

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from

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2.5

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point

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I don't

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remember exactly

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what the point

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release was

36:45.860 --> 36:46.180
but it was

36:46.180 --> 36:46.940
an early

36:46.940 --> 36:48.360
2.5 release

36:48.360 --> 36:49.280
right

36:49.280 --> 36:49.660
it was in

36:49.660 --> 36:49.940
one of the

36:49.940 --> 36:50.500
mid betas

36:50.500 --> 36:50.860
is that

36:50.860 --> 36:51.660
yeah

36:51.660 --> 36:52.400
the odd

36:52.400 --> 36:52.800
numbers

36:52.800 --> 36:54.800
and

36:54.800 --> 36:57.140
now

36:57.140 --> 36:58.240
it

36:58.240 --> 36:58.760
practically

36:58.760 --> 36:59.280
improves

36:59.280 --> 37:00.020
performance

37:00.020 --> 37:00.980
on

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multi

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processor

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servers

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and stuff

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like that

37:04.560 --> 37:06.460
so

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and that

37:08.160 --> 37:08.500
was added

37:08.500 --> 37:08.620
in

37:08.620 --> 37:09.260
2.5

37:09.260 --> 37:09.900
and it's

37:09.900 --> 37:10.220
stable

37:10.220 --> 37:10.500
now

37:10.500 --> 37:10.620
in

37:10.620 --> 37:11.340
2.6

37:11.340 --> 37:11.760
correct

37:11.760 --> 37:12.280
yeah

37:12.280 --> 37:12.900
yeah

37:12.900 --> 37:13.900
okay

37:13.900 --> 37:14.420
and what else

37:14.420 --> 37:15.340
is new

37:15.340 --> 37:16.400
from 2.4

37:16.400 --> 37:17.040
to 2.4

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well

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since 2.4

37:18.660 --> 37:19.120
we'll word it

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that way

37:19.560 --> 37:21.200
you know

37:21.200 --> 37:21.800
Intel

37:21.800 --> 37:22.180
has

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hyper

37:22.640 --> 37:23.180
threading

37:23.180 --> 37:23.880
right

37:23.880 --> 37:24.920
2.4

37:24.920 --> 37:25.260
didn't

37:25.260 --> 37:25.860
support it

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and

37:26.940 --> 37:27.600
2.6

37:27.600 --> 37:27.800
now

37:27.800 --> 37:28.220
does

37:28.220 --> 37:29.140
well

37:29.140 --> 37:29.500
that's

37:29.500 --> 37:30.220
that's a

37:30.220 --> 37:30.760
very cool

37:30.760 --> 37:31.180
addition

37:31.180 --> 37:32.640
people

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with

37:33.760 --> 37:35.000
Pentium 4s

37:35.000 --> 37:35.240
with

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hyper

37:35.640 --> 37:35.980
threading

37:35.980 --> 37:36.360
can take

37:36.360 --> 37:36.820
advantage

37:36.820 --> 37:37.200
of that

37:37.200 --> 37:41.560
they have

37:41.560 --> 37:41.840
a lot

37:41.840 --> 37:42.080
of

37:42.080 --> 37:43.280
threading

37:43.280 --> 37:43.960
improvements

37:43.960 --> 37:44.640
software

37:44.640 --> 37:45.200
which uses

37:45.200 --> 37:45.560
multi

37:45.560 --> 37:45.960
threading

37:45.960 --> 37:46.280
and stuff

37:46.280 --> 37:46.760
like that

37:46.760 --> 37:47.040
is

37:47.040 --> 37:48.180
improved

37:48.180 --> 37:48.380
in

37:48.380 --> 37:49.260
2.6

37:49.260 --> 37:50.340
now

37:50.340 --> 37:50.680
is it

37:50.680 --> 37:51.860
by default

37:51.860 --> 37:52.380
enabled

37:52.380 --> 37:52.860
and ready

37:52.860 --> 37:53.160
to go

37:53.160 --> 37:53.400
or do you

37:53.400 --> 37:53.620
have to

37:53.620 --> 37:53.860
go in

37:53.860 --> 37:54.240
and tweak

37:54.240 --> 37:54.540
some

37:54.540 --> 37:55.200
configurations

37:55.200 --> 37:55.620
and stuff

37:55.620 --> 37:55.920
to get

37:55.920 --> 37:56.100
it

37:56.100 --> 37:57.180
I'm

37:57.180 --> 37:57.880
not sure

37:57.880 --> 37:58.500
about that

37:58.500 --> 37:59.000
I'm

37:59.000 --> 37:59.600
really

37:59.600 --> 38:00.180
not sure

38:00.180 --> 38:01.360
I think

38:01.360 --> 38:01.980
it's probably

38:01.980 --> 38:02.840
built in

38:02.840 --> 38:03.640
from scratch

38:03.640 --> 38:04.000
and only

38:04.000 --> 38:04.320
if you want

38:04.320 --> 38:04.940
to override

38:04.940 --> 38:05.260
it would

38:05.260 --> 38:05.700
you change

38:05.700 --> 38:06.000
anything

38:06.000 --> 38:06.580
or actually

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I assume

38:07.840 --> 38:08.400
obviously

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like any

38:08.960 --> 38:09.220
kernel

38:09.220 --> 38:09.520
you can

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remove

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things

38:11.180 --> 38:11.460
that you

38:11.460 --> 38:11.940
don't want

38:11.940 --> 38:12.280
or don't

38:12.280 --> 38:12.560
need

38:12.560 --> 38:13.000
so

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if you

38:13.820 --> 38:14.200
have a

38:14.200 --> 38:14.600
processor

38:14.600 --> 38:14.980
that's

38:14.980 --> 38:15.260
not

38:15.260 --> 38:15.640
hyper

38:15.640 --> 38:15.960
threading

38:15.960 --> 38:16.260
capable

38:16.260 --> 38:16.620
you could

38:16.620 --> 38:16.840
probably

38:16.840 --> 38:17.340
remove that

38:17.340 --> 38:17.580
from the

38:17.580 --> 38:17.800
kernel

38:17.800 --> 38:18.140
and make

38:18.140 --> 38:18.380
it a little

38:18.380 --> 38:18.660
bit more

38:18.660 --> 38:19.040
efficient

38:19.040 --> 38:22.320
one of

38:22.320 --> 38:22.880
the really

38:22.880 --> 38:24.180
big things

38:24.180 --> 38:25.000
is alpha

38:25.000 --> 38:26.240
the advanced

38:26.240 --> 38:26.880
linux sound

38:26.880 --> 38:27.480
architecture

38:27.480 --> 38:28.760
right

38:28.760 --> 38:29.540
now I did

38:29.540 --> 38:29.940
hear about

38:29.940 --> 38:30.280
that

38:30.280 --> 38:30.720
yeah

38:30.720 --> 38:31.480
which replaced

38:31.480 --> 38:32.520
OSS

38:32.520 --> 38:33.020
the open

38:33.020 --> 38:33.920
sound system

38:33.920 --> 38:35.220
and

38:35.220 --> 38:36.800
it's better

38:36.800 --> 38:37.920
I was going to

38:37.920 --> 38:38.840
say in one

38:38.840 --> 38:39.080
word

38:39.080 --> 38:39.960
better or worse

38:39.960 --> 38:40.720
better

38:40.720 --> 38:41.880
definitely

38:41.880 --> 38:42.620
much better

38:42.620 --> 38:43.240
yeah

38:43.240 --> 38:44.200
it's got

38:44.200 --> 38:44.900
first of

38:44.900 --> 38:45.000
all

38:45.000 --> 38:45.420
it's got

38:45.420 --> 38:45.920
support

38:45.920 --> 38:46.300
for

38:46.300 --> 38:47.980
many more

38:47.980 --> 38:48.880
sound cards

38:48.880 --> 38:50.260
right

38:50.260 --> 38:53.360
it plays

38:53.360 --> 38:53.720
along with

38:53.720 --> 38:54.000
the kernel

38:54.000 --> 38:54.660
really well

38:54.660 --> 38:55.340
since it's

38:55.340 --> 38:55.800
built in

38:55.800 --> 38:56.780
it's built

38:56.780 --> 38:57.800
in

38:57.800 --> 38:58.940
earlier

38:58.940 --> 38:59.940
releases of

38:59.940 --> 39:00.200
alpha

39:00.200 --> 39:00.660
with the

39:00.660 --> 39:01.140
2.4

39:01.140 --> 39:01.480
kernel

39:01.480 --> 39:03.820
sometimes

39:03.820 --> 39:04.540
clashed

39:04.540 --> 39:05.100
they had

39:05.100 --> 39:06.300
differences

39:06.300 --> 39:08.160
but this

39:08.160 --> 39:08.360
one

39:08.360 --> 39:08.980
I mean

39:08.980 --> 39:09.320
for me

39:09.320 --> 39:09.640
it works

39:09.640 --> 39:10.180
very well

39:10.180 --> 39:11.060
I have

39:11.060 --> 39:12.360
a rather

39:12.360 --> 39:13.540
well

39:13.540 --> 39:13.980
supported

39:13.980 --> 39:14.340
card

39:14.340 --> 39:14.800
it's a

39:14.800 --> 39:16.340
integrated

39:16.340 --> 39:17.020
VT

39:17.020 --> 39:18.520
8233

39:18.520 --> 39:18.900
via

39:18.900 --> 39:20.200
and I've

39:20.200 --> 39:20.640
really never

39:20.640 --> 39:20.980
had any

39:20.980 --> 39:21.300
problems

39:21.300 --> 39:21.680
with it

39:21.680 --> 39:21.960
so

39:21.960 --> 39:23.220
okay

39:23.220 --> 39:26.620
I don't know

39:26.620 --> 39:27.060
other than

39:27.060 --> 39:27.360
that

39:27.360 --> 39:27.900
they have

39:27.900 --> 39:29.000
they have

39:29.000 --> 39:29.420
rewritten

39:29.420 --> 39:30.120
I've

39:30.120 --> 39:31.080
I understand

39:31.080 --> 39:32.280
that they've

39:32.280 --> 39:33.720
rewritten

39:33.720 --> 39:34.400
a lot of

39:34.400 --> 39:35.320
memory

39:35.320 --> 39:36.280
allocation

39:36.280 --> 39:36.720
code

39:36.720 --> 39:38.200
in

39:38.200 --> 39:39.280
2.6

39:39.280 --> 39:43.020
obviously

39:43.020 --> 39:44.300
for efficiency

39:44.300 --> 39:44.960
purposes

39:44.960 --> 39:45.940
yeah

39:45.940 --> 39:47.580
and just a lot

39:47.580 --> 39:48.500
of general

39:48.500 --> 39:49.180
bug fixes

39:49.180 --> 39:50.400
there have

39:50.400 --> 39:50.700
been

39:50.700 --> 39:51.940
really a lot

39:51.940 --> 39:52.300
of them

39:52.300 --> 39:53.620
since 2.3

39:53.620 --> 39:53.960
and

39:53.960 --> 39:55.760
from these

39:55.760 --> 39:56.720
2.6

39:56.720 --> 39:59.780
point releases

39:59.780 --> 40:01.540
yeah now see

40:01.540 --> 40:01.880
that's

40:01.880 --> 40:02.460
that's kind

40:02.460 --> 40:02.820
of a

40:02.820 --> 40:05.000
I know a lot

40:05.000 --> 40:05.360
of the

40:05.360 --> 40:06.500
Linux Nazis

40:06.500 --> 40:06.820
are going to

40:06.820 --> 40:07.220
hate me for

40:07.220 --> 40:07.540
saying this

40:07.540 --> 40:08.000
but that is

40:08.000 --> 40:08.340
one of the

40:08.340 --> 40:08.800
knocks that

40:08.800 --> 40:09.180
I have

40:09.180 --> 40:09.440
against

40:09.440 --> 40:09.760
Linux

40:09.760 --> 40:10.260
and some

40:10.260 --> 40:11.480
obviously

40:11.480 --> 40:11.880
it varies

40:11.880 --> 40:12.320
from distro

40:12.320 --> 40:13.080
to distro

40:13.080 --> 40:13.780
and etc

40:13.780 --> 40:14.100
etc

40:14.100 --> 40:14.580
but

40:14.580 --> 40:15.580
the whole

40:15.580 --> 40:16.360
point

40:16.360 --> 40:18.320
bad pun

40:18.320 --> 40:18.680
on that

40:18.680 --> 40:19.020
point

40:19.020 --> 40:20.160
the whole

40:20.160 --> 40:20.560
point

40:20.560 --> 40:20.960
of

40:20.960 --> 40:22.140
the point

40:22.140 --> 40:22.720
system

40:22.720 --> 40:23.040
I don't

40:23.040 --> 40:23.260
know how

40:23.260 --> 40:23.640
to phrase

40:23.640 --> 40:24.240
that properly

40:24.240 --> 40:25.880
is that

40:25.880 --> 40:26.240
the even

40:26.240 --> 40:26.740
numbers are

40:26.740 --> 40:27.060
supposed to

40:27.060 --> 40:27.300
be the

40:27.300 --> 40:27.640
stable

40:27.640 --> 40:28.120
ones

40:28.120 --> 40:29.120
bugs

40:29.120 --> 40:33.940
and it's

40:33.940 --> 40:36.540
I don't

40:36.540 --> 40:36.900
know too

40:36.900 --> 40:37.240
many

40:37.240 --> 40:38.360
I mean

40:38.360 --> 40:38.640
that's

40:38.640 --> 40:38.920
what the

40:38.920 --> 40:39.280
whole point

40:39.280 --> 40:39.740
of putting

40:39.740 --> 40:40.720
out 2.5

40:40.720 --> 40:41.500
and 2.5

40:41.500 --> 40:41.840
whatever

40:41.840 --> 40:42.580
and the

40:42.580 --> 40:43.240
2.3

40:43.240 --> 40:43.740
shouldn't they

40:43.740 --> 40:44.060
have worked

40:44.060 --> 40:44.720
out a lot

40:44.720 --> 40:45.000
of those

40:45.000 --> 40:45.380
bugs

40:45.380 --> 40:46.700
well if

40:46.700 --> 40:47.040
you take

40:47.040 --> 40:47.760
a 2.5

40:47.760 --> 40:48.020
kernel

40:48.020 --> 40:48.500
and compare

40:48.500 --> 40:48.700
it to

40:48.700 --> 40:49.700
the 2.6

40:49.700 --> 40:50.260
you will

40:50.260 --> 40:50.820
see that

40:50.820 --> 40:52.080
obviously

40:52.080 --> 40:52.580
there's

40:52.580 --> 40:53.360
way less

40:53.360 --> 40:53.700
bugs

40:53.700 --> 40:54.620
than 2.6

40:54.620 --> 40:55.420
I would

40:55.420 --> 40:56.260
hope so

40:56.260 --> 40:58.080
but there's

40:58.080 --> 40:58.600
still some

40:58.600 --> 40:58.860
that they

40:58.860 --> 40:59.180
make the

40:59.180 --> 40:59.780
point releases

40:59.780 --> 41:03.500
are the

41:03.500 --> 41:04.080
majority of

41:04.080 --> 41:04.780
those though

41:04.780 --> 41:06.220
in the

41:06.220 --> 41:07.100
included and

41:07.100 --> 41:08.100
bundled apps

41:08.100 --> 41:09.480
and utilities

41:09.480 --> 41:09.880
and stuff

41:09.880 --> 41:10.300
like that

41:10.300 --> 41:10.680
or are

41:10.680 --> 41:11.000
they in

41:11.000 --> 41:11.440
the kernel

41:11.440 --> 41:12.280
themselves

41:12.280 --> 41:13.400
the kernel

41:13.400 --> 41:13.940
itself

41:13.940 --> 41:15.860
well

41:15.860 --> 41:17.060
like for

41:17.060 --> 41:17.440
example

41:17.440 --> 41:18.100
also you

41:18.100 --> 41:18.380
say

41:18.380 --> 41:18.860
yeah

41:18.860 --> 41:19.760
that is

41:19.760 --> 41:20.440
built into

41:20.440 --> 41:20.920
the kernel

41:20.920 --> 41:21.360
correct

41:21.360 --> 41:21.920
yeah

41:21.920 --> 41:22.920
so if

41:22.920 --> 41:23.160
it's a

41:23.160 --> 41:23.440
problem

41:23.440 --> 41:24.060
with one

41:24.060 --> 41:24.580
particular

41:24.580 --> 41:25.120
driver

41:25.120 --> 41:25.540
for one

41:25.540 --> 41:25.960
particular

41:25.960 --> 41:26.560
motherboard

41:26.560 --> 41:27.600
you know

41:27.600 --> 41:27.920
to their

41:27.920 --> 41:28.160
credit

41:28.160 --> 41:28.780
that's very

41:28.780 --> 41:29.100
difficult

41:29.100 --> 41:29.540
to test

41:29.540 --> 41:30.400
every single

41:30.400 --> 41:30.860
motherboard

41:30.860 --> 41:31.360
and every

41:31.360 --> 41:31.780
single

41:31.780 --> 41:32.660
possibility

41:32.660 --> 41:36.600
and debugging

41:36.600 --> 41:37.220
something like

41:37.220 --> 41:37.740
that's got to

41:37.740 --> 41:38.260
be tough

41:38.260 --> 41:38.620
but

41:38.620 --> 41:41.180
it's something

41:41.180 --> 41:41.640
that it seems

41:41.640 --> 41:42.160
to me like

41:42.160 --> 41:42.780
it just has

41:42.780 --> 41:43.600
to be done

41:43.600 --> 41:43.920
when you're

41:43.920 --> 41:44.080
going to

41:44.080 --> 41:44.900
include it

41:44.900 --> 41:45.200
into the

41:45.200 --> 41:45.580
kernel by

41:45.580 --> 41:45.920
default

41:45.920 --> 41:46.480
like that

41:46.480 --> 41:48.220
yeah but

41:48.220 --> 41:48.740
you know

41:48.740 --> 41:49.080
I mean

41:49.080 --> 41:51.180
it's really

41:51.180 --> 41:51.760
not the

41:51.760 --> 41:52.120
kernel

41:52.120 --> 41:52.920
developer's

41:52.920 --> 41:53.320
job to

41:53.320 --> 41:53.780
do that

41:53.780 --> 41:54.340
right

41:54.340 --> 41:55.040
and that's

41:55.040 --> 41:55.680
absolutely

41:55.680 --> 41:56.040
the point

41:56.040 --> 41:56.280
I was

41:56.280 --> 41:56.840
driving at

41:56.840 --> 41:57.360
is that

41:57.360 --> 41:58.340
you know

41:58.340 --> 41:58.740
these are

41:58.740 --> 42:00.100
any time

42:00.100 --> 42:00.600
you have

42:00.600 --> 42:00.860
a lot

42:00.860 --> 42:01.160
of these

42:01.160 --> 42:01.480
there's

42:01.480 --> 42:02.320
compatibility

42:02.320 --> 42:03.160
issues

42:03.160 --> 42:04.220
and stuff

42:04.220 --> 42:04.740
like that

42:04.740 --> 42:07.020
you try

42:07.020 --> 42:07.480
to get rid

42:07.480 --> 42:07.880
of as many

42:07.880 --> 42:08.180
of those

42:08.180 --> 42:08.720
as you can

42:08.720 --> 42:09.180
and integrate

42:09.180 --> 42:09.460
it into

42:09.460 --> 42:09.720
the kernel

42:09.720 --> 42:10.020
but you're

42:10.020 --> 42:10.420
always going

42:10.420 --> 42:10.840
to have

42:10.840 --> 42:11.140
them

42:11.140 --> 42:11.700
and it's

42:11.700 --> 42:12.360
not necessarily

42:12.360 --> 42:12.940
the fault

42:12.940 --> 42:13.820
of the kernel

42:13.820 --> 42:15.580
or a knock

42:15.580 --> 42:16.380
against Linux

42:16.380 --> 42:16.920
itself

42:16.920 --> 42:19.340
and I know

42:19.340 --> 42:19.820
you probably

42:19.820 --> 42:20.320
won't like me

42:20.320 --> 42:20.760
saying this

42:20.760 --> 42:22.280
but I have

42:22.280 --> 42:22.640
to use the

42:22.640 --> 42:23.160
same defense

42:23.160 --> 42:23.660
for Windows

42:23.660 --> 42:24.280
sometimes

42:24.280 --> 42:25.340
a lot

42:25.340 --> 42:25.700
of times

42:25.700 --> 42:26.220
when Windows

42:26.220 --> 42:26.660
crashes

42:26.660 --> 42:27.100
it's due

42:27.100 --> 42:27.640
to device

42:27.640 --> 42:28.220
drivers

42:28.220 --> 42:29.240
that go

42:29.240 --> 42:29.520
bad

42:29.520 --> 42:30.200
somebody wrote

42:30.200 --> 42:30.740
a crappy

42:30.740 --> 42:31.400
driver

42:31.400 --> 42:32.740
for Windows

42:32.740 --> 42:33.140
XP

42:33.140 --> 42:34.180
and you know

42:34.180 --> 42:34.700
what happens

42:34.700 --> 42:35.020
is

42:35.020 --> 42:36.640
Windows has

42:36.640 --> 42:37.200
its problems

42:37.200 --> 42:37.740
don't get me

42:37.740 --> 42:38.100
wrong

42:38.100 --> 42:39.220
but blaming

42:39.220 --> 42:40.200
every single

42:40.200 --> 42:41.180
crash on

42:41.180 --> 42:41.940
Bill Gates

42:41.940 --> 42:42.700
and on

42:42.700 --> 42:43.140
Microsoft

42:43.140 --> 42:43.940
is a little

42:43.940 --> 42:44.860
bit unfair

42:44.860 --> 42:45.840
a lot of

42:45.840 --> 42:46.220
them you can

42:46.220 --> 42:47.020
blame on him

42:47.020 --> 42:48.160
but not all

42:48.160 --> 42:48.400
of them

42:48.400 --> 42:49.140
it's the same

42:49.140 --> 42:49.860
same thing

42:49.860 --> 42:50.420
holds true

42:50.420 --> 42:50.960
with both

42:50.960 --> 42:51.660
operating systems

42:51.660 --> 42:52.380
or with any

42:52.380 --> 42:53.120
operating system

42:53.120 --> 42:53.760
for that matter

42:53.760 --> 42:55.560
yeah well

42:55.560 --> 42:56.340
I don't know

42:56.340 --> 42:56.580
I mean

42:56.580 --> 42:57.520
Bill Gates

42:57.520 --> 42:57.940
is evil

42:57.940 --> 42:58.500
and Linus

42:58.500 --> 42:58.860
isn't

42:58.860 --> 42:59.400
so I guess

42:59.400 --> 43:01.520
gee I didn't

43:01.520 --> 43:01.920
see that

43:01.920 --> 43:02.900
one coming

43:02.900 --> 43:03.220
yeah

43:03.220 --> 43:05.500
no other

43:05.500 --> 43:05.920
than that

43:05.920 --> 43:06.260
I mean

43:06.260 --> 43:08.760
symmetric

43:08.760 --> 43:09.740
multi-processing

43:09.740 --> 43:11.200
is improved

43:11.200 --> 43:12.620
highly

43:12.620 --> 43:13.700
in 2.6

43:13.700 --> 43:14.700
so you can

43:14.700 --> 43:16.280
really use

43:16.280 --> 43:17.400
dual CPU

43:17.400 --> 43:17.840
machines

43:17.840 --> 43:19.060
and multi-CPU

43:19.060 --> 43:19.500
servers

43:19.500 --> 43:19.860
and stuff

43:19.860 --> 43:20.340
like that

43:20.340 --> 43:21.240
right

43:21.240 --> 43:23.160
now that

43:23.160 --> 43:23.580
support's

43:23.580 --> 43:24.040
been there

43:24.040 --> 43:24.360
but it's

43:24.360 --> 43:24.540
just

43:24.540 --> 43:24.960
improved

43:24.960 --> 43:25.300
now

43:25.300 --> 43:25.640
yeah

43:25.640 --> 43:26.500
and isn't

43:26.500 --> 43:26.740
that

43:26.740 --> 43:27.140
if I

43:27.140 --> 43:28.560
probably

43:28.560 --> 43:29.200
shouldn't

43:29.200 --> 43:29.640
speak about

43:29.640 --> 43:29.820
this

43:29.820 --> 43:30.060
because I

43:30.060 --> 43:30.360
don't have

43:30.360 --> 43:30.780
a whole lot

43:30.780 --> 43:31.760
of experience

43:31.760 --> 43:32.240
but isn't

43:32.240 --> 43:32.660
that something

43:32.660 --> 43:33.120
that's been a

43:33.120 --> 43:33.540
strength of

43:33.540 --> 43:34.240
like BSD

43:34.240 --> 43:35.020
free BSD

43:35.020 --> 43:37.380
um I really

43:37.380 --> 43:38.100
don't have any

43:38.100 --> 43:38.800
experience with

43:38.800 --> 43:39.940
BSD or

43:39.940 --> 43:42.120
yeah if somebody

43:42.120 --> 43:42.560
out there

43:42.560 --> 43:43.260
knows that

43:43.260 --> 43:43.820
I had always

43:43.820 --> 43:44.420
kind of heard

43:44.420 --> 43:45.660
that the

43:45.660 --> 43:46.320
the true

43:46.320 --> 43:47.020
Unixes for

43:47.020 --> 43:47.440
lack of a

43:47.440 --> 43:47.940
better word

43:47.940 --> 43:48.760
were a little

43:48.760 --> 43:49.340
bit better at

43:49.340 --> 43:50.080
that but I

43:50.080 --> 43:50.600
could be wrong

43:50.600 --> 43:51.420
somebody by all

43:51.420 --> 43:52.000
means correct me

43:52.000 --> 43:52.440
on that

43:52.440 --> 43:54.380
now all right

43:54.380 --> 43:54.980
let me let me

43:54.980 --> 43:55.480
ask you this

43:55.480 --> 43:57.160
then I on

43:57.160 --> 43:58.060
my laptop I

43:58.060 --> 43:59.120
dual boot to

43:59.120 --> 44:00.740
uh Red Hat

44:00.740 --> 44:01.980
I don't

44:01.980 --> 44:02.920
8 maybe

44:02.920 --> 44:03.760
it's been a

44:03.760 --> 44:04.660
while since I've

44:04.660 --> 44:05.780
even paid

44:05.780 --> 44:06.520
attention to the

44:06.520 --> 44:07.120
version of what

44:07.120 --> 44:07.960
the distro is

44:07.960 --> 44:08.280
because it's

44:08.280 --> 44:08.920
kind of irrelevant

44:08.920 --> 44:09.780
but I know I'm

44:09.780 --> 44:11.020
running kernel 2.4

44:11.020 --> 44:12.820
2.4.2 I think

44:12.820 --> 44:14.520
is there any

44:14.520 --> 44:15.860
reason should I

44:15.860 --> 44:17.860
update to 2.6

44:17.860 --> 44:18.980
wait you're

44:18.980 --> 44:20.540
earning 2.4.2

44:20.540 --> 44:21.840
it's 2.4

44:21.840 --> 44:22.740
something I

44:22.740 --> 44:23.400
don't not

44:23.400 --> 44:23.860
sure

44:23.860 --> 44:25.780
well

44:25.780 --> 44:27.360
um

44:27.360 --> 44:28.400
actually

44:28.400 --> 44:29.680
with some of

44:29.680 --> 44:30.740
the early test

44:30.740 --> 44:32.060
versions of 2.6

44:32.060 --> 44:32.660
I heard that

44:32.660 --> 44:33.820
I think uh

44:33.820 --> 44:34.960
I'm not sure

44:34.960 --> 44:35.400
but I think it

44:35.400 --> 44:36.160
was Ntheory

44:36.160 --> 44:37.020
on the forums

44:37.020 --> 44:37.920
who said that

44:37.920 --> 44:39.040
his um

44:39.040 --> 44:40.540
laptop fans

44:40.540 --> 44:41.740
stopped using

44:41.740 --> 44:42.920
a ACPI

44:42.920 --> 44:43.760
power management

44:43.760 --> 44:45.800
from the

44:45.800 --> 44:46.600
2.6

44:46.600 --> 44:47.200
one of the

44:47.200 --> 44:47.760
test kernels

44:47.760 --> 44:48.220
I should think

44:48.220 --> 44:48.800
I'm not sure

44:48.800 --> 44:50.300
so you might

44:50.300 --> 44:50.620
want to be

44:50.620 --> 44:51.080
careful with

44:51.080 --> 44:51.420
that

44:51.420 --> 44:52.080
well that's

44:52.080 --> 44:52.620
not cool

44:52.620 --> 44:54.580
that's on an

44:54.580 --> 44:55.300
early 2.6

44:55.300 --> 44:55.700
you say

44:55.700 --> 44:56.220
yeah

44:56.220 --> 44:56.780
okay

44:56.780 --> 44:58.860
well that's

44:58.860 --> 44:59.400
definitely not

44:59.400 --> 44:59.720
cool

44:59.720 --> 45:01.600
especially on

45:01.600 --> 45:02.120
a laptop

45:02.120 --> 45:02.620
yeah

45:02.620 --> 45:03.160
yeah

45:03.160 --> 45:04.280
well and the

45:04.280 --> 45:04.660
thing is

45:04.660 --> 45:05.340
it's not

45:05.340 --> 45:06.780
and that's

45:06.780 --> 45:07.120
why I'm

45:07.120 --> 45:07.480
probably a

45:07.480 --> 45:07.960
good example

45:07.960 --> 45:09.320
I boot

45:09.320 --> 45:10.120
over into

45:10.120 --> 45:11.320
that on

45:11.320 --> 45:11.840
my laptop

45:11.840 --> 45:12.860
only for

45:12.860 --> 45:13.740
you know

45:13.740 --> 45:14.460
a few hours

45:14.460 --> 45:15.000
at a time

45:15.000 --> 45:15.400
when I want

45:15.400 --> 45:15.820
to work on

45:15.820 --> 45:16.180
something

45:16.180 --> 45:16.980
specifically

45:16.980 --> 45:17.400
or I want

45:17.400 --> 45:17.740
to test

45:17.740 --> 45:18.040
something

45:18.040 --> 45:18.720
specifically

45:18.720 --> 45:20.260
in Linux

45:20.260 --> 45:21.580
I will

45:21.580 --> 45:21.960
boot over

45:21.960 --> 45:22.280
there for

45:22.280 --> 45:22.620
just a

45:22.620 --> 45:23.060
short period

45:23.060 --> 45:23.540
of time

45:23.540 --> 45:24.320
so for

45:24.320 --> 45:24.640
somebody

45:24.640 --> 45:25.360
like me

45:25.360 --> 45:26.380
who's just

45:26.380 --> 45:26.780
going to go

45:26.780 --> 45:27.080
in there

45:27.080 --> 45:27.380
for a

45:27.380 --> 45:27.800
specific

45:27.800 --> 45:28.300
purpose

45:28.300 --> 45:28.780
to work

45:28.780 --> 45:29.000
with a

45:29.000 --> 45:29.340
specific

45:29.340 --> 45:30.080
application

45:30.080 --> 45:31.120
to bring

45:31.120 --> 45:32.340
up Kismet

45:32.340 --> 45:32.720
or something

45:32.720 --> 45:33.300
like that

45:33.300 --> 45:34.360
is there

45:34.360 --> 45:35.120
any point

45:35.120 --> 45:35.940
in me

45:35.940 --> 45:36.380
upgrading

45:36.380 --> 45:37.260
to 2.6

45:37.260 --> 45:37.760
honestly

45:37.760 --> 45:40.980
probably not

45:40.980 --> 45:42.320
the laptop

45:42.320 --> 45:43.740
is a P4

45:43.740 --> 45:44.060
it has

45:44.060 --> 45:44.640
hyper threading

45:44.640 --> 45:45.060
support

45:45.060 --> 45:46.160
but because

45:46.160 --> 45:46.840
of the nature

45:46.840 --> 45:47.160
of what I

45:47.160 --> 45:47.680
use it for

45:47.680 --> 45:48.580
I don't think

45:48.580 --> 45:49.020
I would take

45:49.020 --> 45:49.600
advantage of

45:49.600 --> 45:50.040
some of those

45:50.040 --> 45:50.480
features

45:50.480 --> 45:51.720
probably not

45:51.720 --> 45:53.640
if you have

45:53.640 --> 45:54.240
a CD

45:54.240 --> 45:54.560
burner

45:54.560 --> 45:55.220
for example

45:55.220 --> 45:56.980
2.6

45:56.980 --> 45:57.320
has

45:57.320 --> 45:59.760
ID

45:59.760 --> 46:00.220
burning

46:00.220 --> 46:01.260
it's not

46:01.260 --> 46:01.900
SCSI

46:01.900 --> 46:02.360
emulation

46:02.360 --> 46:02.860
anymore

46:02.860 --> 46:04.140
so you know

46:04.140 --> 46:04.520
you might

46:04.520 --> 46:05.040
like to

46:05.040 --> 46:07.080
instead of

46:07.080 --> 46:07.400
using one

46:07.400 --> 46:07.640
of those

46:07.640 --> 46:07.960
SCSI

46:07.960 --> 46:08.420
numbers

46:08.420 --> 46:09.900
0103

46:09.900 --> 46:10.300
whatever

46:10.300 --> 46:11.520
you could

46:11.520 --> 46:11.940
just use

46:11.940 --> 46:12.760
dev

46:12.760 --> 46:13.420
slash

46:13.420 --> 46:14.040
HDD

46:14.040 --> 46:14.640
or HDC

46:14.640 --> 46:15.000
or whatever

46:15.000 --> 46:16.600
your CD

46:16.600 --> 46:17.000
writer

46:17.000 --> 46:19.280
device is

46:19.280 --> 46:19.620
you know

46:19.620 --> 46:20.820
it's just

46:20.820 --> 46:21.640
small things

46:21.640 --> 46:22.020
like that

46:22.020 --> 46:22.480
that usually

46:22.480 --> 46:23.860
make people

46:23.860 --> 46:24.600
switch

46:24.600 --> 46:25.380
I like it

46:25.380 --> 46:25.700
because I'm

46:25.700 --> 46:26.220
working on

46:26.220 --> 46:27.080
Hackburn

46:27.080 --> 46:27.740
and it's

46:27.740 --> 46:28.200
easy to

46:28.200 --> 46:28.440
just

46:28.440 --> 46:29.840
type in

46:29.840 --> 46:30.000
the

46:30.000 --> 46:31.580
drive

46:31.580 --> 46:32.540
device

46:32.540 --> 46:32.900
and the

46:32.900 --> 46:33.380
whole number

46:33.380 --> 46:33.680
thing

46:33.680 --> 46:33.960
so

46:33.960 --> 46:34.360
right

46:34.360 --> 46:34.760
and now

46:34.760 --> 46:35.200
since you

46:35.200 --> 46:35.480
started

46:35.480 --> 46:35.980
developing

46:35.980 --> 46:36.340
that

46:36.340 --> 46:36.740
a while

46:36.740 --> 46:37.060
back

46:37.060 --> 46:37.460
I assume

46:37.460 --> 46:37.680
under

46:37.680 --> 46:38.180
2.4

46:38.180 --> 46:38.700
maybe even

46:38.700 --> 46:39.040
earlier

46:39.040 --> 46:39.820
were there

46:39.820 --> 46:40.380
any drastic

46:40.380 --> 46:41.540
code

46:41.540 --> 46:41.920
changes

46:41.920 --> 46:42.240
or anything

46:42.240 --> 46:42.520
that you

46:42.520 --> 46:42.800
had to

46:42.800 --> 46:43.020
make

46:43.020 --> 46:43.940
or adapt

46:43.940 --> 46:44.240
no

46:44.240 --> 46:44.960
no

46:44.960 --> 46:45.620
ran

46:45.620 --> 46:46.260
perfectly

46:46.260 --> 46:46.800
smooth

46:46.800 --> 46:47.160
when you

46:47.160 --> 46:47.580
upgraded

46:47.580 --> 46:50.460
no

46:50.460 --> 46:50.800
problem

46:50.800 --> 46:51.180
with that

46:51.180 --> 46:51.440
so

46:51.440 --> 46:52.760
very cool

46:52.760 --> 46:53.280
very cool

46:53.280 --> 46:53.640
well

46:53.640 --> 46:54.900
definitely

46:54.900 --> 46:55.780
right now

46:55.780 --> 46:56.960
my Linux

46:56.960 --> 46:57.480
boxes at

46:57.480 --> 46:57.820
the house

46:57.820 --> 46:58.160
are all

46:58.160 --> 46:58.460
dead

46:58.460 --> 46:58.820
for one

46:58.820 --> 46:59.060
reason

46:59.060 --> 46:59.520
or another

46:59.520 --> 47:00.720
not

47:00.720 --> 47:01.140
because

47:01.140 --> 47:01.760
mostly

47:01.760 --> 47:02.040
because

47:02.040 --> 47:02.180
of

47:02.180 --> 47:02.560
hardware

47:02.560 --> 47:03.100
problems

47:03.100 --> 47:03.660
hard drive

47:03.660 --> 47:04.300
died

47:04.300 --> 47:04.600
and

47:04.600 --> 47:05.280
had a

47:05.280 --> 47:06.000
power surge

47:06.000 --> 47:06.420
on another

47:06.420 --> 47:06.560
one

47:06.560 --> 47:06.840
that took

47:06.840 --> 47:07.080
it out

47:07.080 --> 47:07.440
so right

47:07.440 --> 47:07.760
now

47:07.760 --> 47:08.700
I need

47:08.700 --> 47:09.120
to rebuild

47:09.120 --> 47:09.780
all of my

47:09.780 --> 47:10.060
Linux

47:10.060 --> 47:10.420
boxes

47:10.420 --> 47:10.680
so I

47:10.680 --> 47:10.960
don't need

47:10.960 --> 47:11.160
to do

47:11.160 --> 47:11.520
any kernel

47:11.520 --> 47:11.960
upgrades

47:11.960 --> 47:12.420
on anything

47:12.420 --> 47:13.080
right now

47:13.080 --> 47:13.520
but

47:13.520 --> 47:14.680
it sounds

47:14.680 --> 47:15.060
like I

47:15.060 --> 47:15.640
would probably

47:15.640 --> 47:16.060
go ahead

47:16.060 --> 47:16.300
and make

47:16.300 --> 47:16.740
this upgrade

47:16.740 --> 47:17.180
on my

47:17.180 --> 47:18.840
desktop

47:18.840 --> 47:19.380
machines

47:19.380 --> 47:19.660
but it

47:19.660 --> 47:19.840
sounds

47:19.840 --> 47:20.120
like for

47:20.120 --> 47:20.520
my laptop

47:20.520 --> 47:20.840
it's

47:20.840 --> 47:21.240
probably

47:21.240 --> 47:21.560
not

47:21.560 --> 47:22.020
necessary

47:22.020 --> 47:22.420
for me

47:22.420 --> 47:23.000
right now

47:23.000 --> 47:23.620
yeah

47:23.620 --> 47:24.160
maybe

47:24.160 --> 47:24.580
if

47:24.580 --> 47:24.980
Red Hat

47:24.980 --> 47:25.340
actually

47:25.340 --> 47:25.760
releases

47:25.760 --> 47:26.380
an RPM

47:26.380 --> 47:27.040
or some

47:27.040 --> 47:28.180
easy

47:28.180 --> 47:29.260
well you know

47:29.260 --> 47:29.660
Red Hat

47:29.660 --> 47:30.520
really stopped

47:30.520 --> 47:31.060
doing the whole

47:31.060 --> 47:32.080
Red Hat

47:32.080 --> 47:32.800
thing so you

47:32.800 --> 47:33.360
might want

47:33.360 --> 47:33.640
to try

47:33.640 --> 47:34.040
Fedora

47:34.040 --> 47:34.560
yeah

47:34.560 --> 47:35.260
and I've

47:35.260 --> 47:35.860
been thinking

47:35.860 --> 47:36.440
about that

47:36.440 --> 47:37.180
too but

47:37.180 --> 47:39.180
again I use

47:39.180 --> 47:39.500
it so

47:39.500 --> 47:40.020
infrequently

47:40.020 --> 47:40.720
and it has

47:40.720 --> 47:41.060
that's

47:41.060 --> 47:41.340
that's

47:41.340 --> 47:41.660
one of the

47:41.660 --> 47:42.060
great things

47:42.060 --> 47:42.540
about Linux

47:42.540 --> 47:43.060
too is

47:43.060 --> 47:44.920
it has

47:44.920 --> 47:45.260
everything

47:45.260 --> 47:45.800
I really

47:45.800 --> 47:46.160
want

47:46.160 --> 47:46.660
already

47:46.660 --> 47:47.220
yeah

47:47.220 --> 47:47.860
you know

47:47.860 --> 47:48.240
and if I

47:48.240 --> 47:48.600
want a new

47:48.600 --> 47:49.040
app or

47:49.040 --> 47:49.440
something I

47:49.440 --> 47:49.980
just grab it

47:49.980 --> 47:50.320
and bring it

47:50.320 --> 47:50.760
down I

47:50.760 --> 47:51.140
don't care

47:51.140 --> 47:51.620
that it's

47:51.620 --> 47:52.660
you know I

47:52.660 --> 47:53.140
know some

47:53.140 --> 47:53.620
people

47:53.620 --> 47:55.620
the term

47:55.620 --> 47:56.280
distro whore

47:56.280 --> 47:56.680
comes to

47:56.680 --> 47:56.960
mind

47:56.960 --> 47:57.740
some people

47:57.740 --> 47:58.320
have to

47:58.320 --> 47:59.400
install

47:59.400 --> 48:00.100
oh Red Hat

48:00.100 --> 48:00.760
8 point

48:00.760 --> 48:01.380
whatever came

48:01.380 --> 48:01.820
out Red Hat

48:01.820 --> 48:02.460
9 is out

48:02.460 --> 48:02.780
Red Hat

48:02.780 --> 48:03.300
10 is out

48:03.300 --> 48:03.800
oh Fedora

48:03.800 --> 48:04.020
is out

48:04.020 --> 48:04.360
I have to

48:04.360 --> 48:05.660
no for

48:05.660 --> 48:06.700
me you

48:06.700 --> 48:07.180
know as

48:07.180 --> 48:07.520
long as

48:07.520 --> 48:08.220
it's unless

48:08.220 --> 48:08.760
there's something

48:08.760 --> 48:09.160
and that's

48:09.160 --> 48:09.500
why I was

48:09.500 --> 48:09.920
bringing up

48:09.920 --> 48:10.220
that's why

48:10.220 --> 48:10.620
it's great

48:10.620 --> 48:10.980
to talk

48:10.980 --> 48:11.380
about this

48:11.380 --> 48:11.580
kernel

48:11.580 --> 48:11.860
that's why

48:11.860 --> 48:12.240
it's such a

48:12.240 --> 48:12.820
great topic

48:12.820 --> 48:13.800
is let's

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talk about

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what is new

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in this

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kernel and

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what is

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worth

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whether it

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is worth

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upgrading and

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changing if

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it's something

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that you would

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take advantage of

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or use or not

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because you can

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perfectly you can

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still be running

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you don't even have

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to be running a

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two kernel you can

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be running

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anything as long as

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it gets the job

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done and what you

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want to do

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yeah you know

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don't upgrade for

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the sake of

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upgrading

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you know I

48:35.900 --> 48:36.340
mean one of

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those like

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really old

48:37.300 --> 48:38.000
kernels that

48:38.000 --> 48:39.120
are all the

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bugs and

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everything are

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fixed for

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you could very

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well use that

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for a server

48:42.280 --> 48:42.800
you know just

48:42.800 --> 48:43.480
to be secure

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absolutely

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absolutely and

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that's one of

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the things if

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you want to do

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a little Microsoft

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bashing here we

48:49.460 --> 48:50.600
go that's one of

48:50.600 --> 48:51.200
the things that I

48:51.200 --> 48:51.900
do hate about

48:51.900 --> 48:52.560
Microsoft

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that they force

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you to upgrade

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right absolutely

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and it's so

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despicable you

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know that they

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they basically

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cancel support

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they cancel

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selling it they

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just sunset the

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whole line

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Windows 95

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really really

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sucks in some

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ways but if

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it gets the

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job done it

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gets the job

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done man there's

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no need to go

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pay to upgrade to

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a new operating

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system if the one

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you have is

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perfectly fine and

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anytime I that's

49:20.780 --> 49:21.500
when I anytime I

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have an opportunity

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like that that's

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when I really push

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Linux instead of

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telling somebody oh

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your 95 works fine

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it does everything

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you want to but

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Bill Gates wants

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you to come

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upgrade to Windows

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XP or whatever

49:31.220 --> 49:32.780
else newest thing

49:32.780 --> 49:33.420
he's got out and

49:33.420 --> 49:34.080
wants you to pay

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in that much

49:34.500 --> 49:35.400
more money you

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don't have to do

49:36.140 --> 49:37.360
that it's

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unnecessary use the

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proper tools for

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the job whatever

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that may be so

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that's one thing I

49:42.900 --> 49:44.220
do hate and I'll

49:44.220 --> 49:44.780
tell you it's even

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worse at large

49:47.740 --> 49:48.660
corporations and

49:48.660 --> 49:49.620
universities let me

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tell you firsthand

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when you get a

49:52.180 --> 49:53.860
site license you're

49:53.860 --> 49:55.240
signing away support

49:55.240 --> 49:55.860
to all that you

49:55.860 --> 49:57.420
guarantee part of

49:57.420 --> 49:58.140
the site license

49:58.140 --> 50:00.180
agreement is okay

50:00.180 --> 50:01.140
we will purchase a

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site license for our

50:02.020 --> 50:04.340
entire company for

50:04.340 --> 50:05.820
Windows XP and in

50:05.820 --> 50:06.660
the contract says

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we hereby swear that

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we are going to

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uninstall or upgrade

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every copy of

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Windows 2000 to

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XP that's part of

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that agreement and

50:15.360 --> 50:16.280
you take it or leave

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it and the thing is

50:18.460 --> 50:20.000
you take it these

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corporations they you

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know I'm sorry you

50:22.140 --> 50:22.920
may disagree with me

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here but in the real

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world you have to

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have Windows because

50:27.060 --> 50:28.160
there's so many users

50:28.160 --> 50:29.100
that just aren't going

50:29.100 --> 50:29.920
to be able to handle

50:29.920 --> 50:31.440
a new operating

50:31.440 --> 50:32.160
system and learning

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something new from

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scratch you may put

50:33.660 --> 50:34.660
it on servers here and

50:34.660 --> 50:35.560
there independent ones

50:35.560 --> 50:37.140
that that the IT people

50:37.140 --> 50:37.980
may take care of but

50:37.980 --> 50:39.160
for your desktop users

50:39.160 --> 50:40.100
the secretaries that

50:40.100 --> 50:40.800
are typing up your

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documents and doing

50:41.780 --> 50:43.460
calendars and printing

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off pictures of puppies

50:44.760 --> 50:45.820
and whatever else they

50:45.820 --> 50:47.420
do those are the

50:47.420 --> 50:48.400
people that you have to

50:48.400 --> 50:50.180
provide something for

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them to work with

50:50.880 --> 50:52.400
easily and it's just

50:52.400 --> 50:53.980
you know that's

50:53.980 --> 50:55.260
something that companies

50:55.260 --> 50:56.300
just don't have a whole

50:56.300 --> 50:57.320
lot of choice they do

50:57.320 --> 50:58.980
it or they get left

50:58.980 --> 51:00.680
behind yeah and

51:00.680 --> 51:01.560
that's really

51:01.560 --> 51:02.680
frustrating sometimes

51:02.680 --> 51:03.820
and it's not only

51:03.820 --> 51:04.640
that they force you to

51:04.640 --> 51:05.480
upgrade your software

51:05.480 --> 51:06.820
but when you see for

51:06.820 --> 51:08.240
example if you jump

51:08.240 --> 51:09.360
from let's say 98 to

51:09.360 --> 51:11.680
XP your machine that

51:11.680 --> 51:14.780
ran 98 perfectly won't

51:14.780 --> 51:18.060
face up to XP because

51:18.060 --> 51:18.620
of the hardware

51:18.620 --> 51:21.320
requirements you know

51:21.320 --> 51:22.820
right well might not

51:22.820 --> 51:23.920
but yeah probably will

51:23.920 --> 51:24.680
not so they're also

51:24.680 --> 51:26.780
driving the hardware

51:26.780 --> 51:30.080
Intel thing well yes

51:30.080 --> 51:31.220
of course I mean if

51:31.220 --> 51:32.700
you've seen the if

51:32.700 --> 51:33.340
you've tried the

51:33.340 --> 51:35.720
Longhorn leaks you'll

51:35.720 --> 51:36.680
see that there's a lot

51:36.680 --> 51:38.440
of stuff that I mean

51:38.440 --> 51:39.740
don't get me wrong I

51:39.740 --> 51:40.800
really hate Microsoft

51:40.800 --> 51:41.760
but some of that stuff

51:41.760 --> 51:43.640
is really cool well

51:43.640 --> 51:44.560
listen there's nothing

51:44.560 --> 51:47.120
I don't like the way

51:47.120 --> 51:48.420
Microsoft does business

51:48.420 --> 51:50.700
yeah but I do like

51:50.700 --> 51:51.640
some of Microsoft's

51:51.640 --> 51:53.860
products I really do I

51:53.860 --> 51:55.780
think I like man I'm

51:55.780 --> 51:56.420
going to get roasted

51:56.420 --> 51:57.420
in email for saying

51:57.420 --> 51:59.000
this but I like

51:59.000 --> 52:01.840
Microsoft Outlook I

52:01.840 --> 52:03.020
like it it's a good

52:03.020 --> 52:04.620
useful product because

52:04.620 --> 52:05.880
I use it every day at

52:05.880 --> 52:07.040
work and it's

52:07.040 --> 52:10.760
yeah I know I actually

52:10.760 --> 52:12.040
downloaded it at home

52:12.040 --> 52:13.480
but I can't use it at

52:13.480 --> 52:15.260
work because the reason

52:15.260 --> 52:16.160
I said earlier we're

52:16.160 --> 52:17.660
forced to we have

52:17.660 --> 52:18.780
calendaring and we have

52:18.780 --> 52:19.500
to use one that

52:19.500 --> 52:20.500
everybody can read and

52:20.500 --> 52:21.220
that they've set up I

52:21.220 --> 52:21.920
don't have a whole lot of

52:21.920 --> 52:24.180
choice and as long as

52:24.180 --> 52:25.140
you're smart about it

52:25.140 --> 52:26.200
which most people

52:26.200 --> 52:27.900
aren't you know oh

52:27.900 --> 52:28.460
look here's an

52:28.460 --> 52:29.900
attachment read me dot

52:29.900 --> 52:31.300
exe click click click

52:31.300 --> 52:31.940
all of a sudden

52:31.940 --> 52:33.040
everybody's infected you

52:33.040 --> 52:34.360
know if you're smart

52:34.360 --> 52:35.500
about it it's not so

52:35.500 --> 52:37.480
bad it has annoyances

52:37.480 --> 52:38.400
like everything else I

52:38.400 --> 52:43.460
guess but anyway there's

52:43.460 --> 52:44.060
our there's our

52:44.060 --> 52:45.240
Microsoft bash oh the

52:45.240 --> 52:47.440
week get that out of

52:47.440 --> 52:51.340
the way oh man what

52:51.340 --> 52:52.940
else anything else 2.6

52:52.940 --> 52:53.860
worth mentioning that

52:53.860 --> 52:54.660
we should bring up

52:54.660 --> 52:58.040
um I know I'm probably

52:58.040 --> 52:58.840
forgetting something

52:58.840 --> 53:00.120
right here but I

53:00.120 --> 53:01.440
really don't I don't

53:01.440 --> 53:02.000
think there's anything

53:02.000 --> 53:03.300
else yeah we can we'll

53:03.300 --> 53:04.420
we can always bring it

53:04.420 --> 53:05.160
up on a later show

53:05.160 --> 53:06.120
talk about it some more

53:06.120 --> 53:08.180
I'm sure there's tons of

53:08.180 --> 53:08.940
stuff that we've missed

53:08.940 --> 53:09.780
actually you know that

53:09.780 --> 53:10.680
there's tons of

53:10.680 --> 53:11.580
improvements I mean those

53:11.580 --> 53:12.700
are just the major ones

53:12.700 --> 53:13.720
and even stuff that

53:13.720 --> 53:14.500
you don't see you know

53:14.500 --> 53:16.880
like like just code

53:16.880 --> 53:18.120
cleanup and stuff like

53:18.120 --> 53:19.460
that you know speaking

53:19.460 --> 53:21.240
of code cleanup is it

53:21.240 --> 53:22.300
completely SCO free

53:22.300 --> 53:25.940
um well Linux has always

53:25.940 --> 53:27.340
been pretty much SCO free

53:27.340 --> 53:29.020
not according to SCO

53:29.020 --> 53:31.840
well yeah but you know

53:31.840 --> 53:33.480
you know SCO's wrong I

53:33.480 --> 53:35.060
mean well don't you

53:35.060 --> 53:37.160
well they know they're

53:37.160 --> 53:38.960
they're absolutely 100%

53:38.960 --> 53:40.360
right I mean they sued

53:40.360 --> 53:42.680
that means they're right

53:42.680 --> 53:48.220
doesn't it I mean yeah

53:48.220 --> 53:49.180
I'm being sarcastic of

53:49.180 --> 53:52.220
course no they're just

53:52.220 --> 53:55.220
uh I read this uh I

53:55.220 --> 53:56.640
read some article where

53:56.640 --> 53:58.000
Linus was talking about

53:58.000 --> 53:59.640
SCO and uh and I quote

53:59.640 --> 54:01.720
uh he said that there

54:01.720 --> 54:02.960
are several levels of

54:02.960 --> 54:04.940
SCO being wrong and even

54:04.940 --> 54:05.700
if we were in that

54:05.700 --> 54:07.040
alternate universe where

54:07.040 --> 54:07.820
SCO would be right

54:07.820 --> 54:08.820
they'd still be wrong

54:08.820 --> 54:12.040
so yeah my favorite I

54:12.040 --> 54:12.700
read on the air one

54:12.700 --> 54:14.400
time was about uh them

54:14.400 --> 54:15.320
smoking where he said

54:15.320 --> 54:15.960
that they must be

54:15.960 --> 54:17.380
smoking crack yeah yeah

54:17.380 --> 54:18.120
I've seen that one too

54:18.120 --> 54:18.940
that one was pretty good

54:18.940 --> 54:20.520
that was pretty good

54:20.520 --> 54:23.300
well yeah we can always

54:23.300 --> 54:24.620
do SCO bashing too but

54:24.620 --> 54:26.040
I think we've beaten

54:26.040 --> 54:26.780
that horse into the

54:26.780 --> 54:27.580
ground as well I don't

54:27.580 --> 54:28.580
think there's really much

54:28.580 --> 54:29.920
more to be said about

54:29.920 --> 54:32.880
that um all right well

54:32.880 --> 54:34.320
we are getting close to

54:34.320 --> 54:35.720
time here so how do you

54:35.720 --> 54:36.580
want to how do you want

54:36.580 --> 54:37.420
to handle this here I

54:37.420 --> 54:39.520
want to talk about let's

54:39.520 --> 54:40.100
see I'll do a quick

54:40.100 --> 54:41.240
mention of this show

54:41.240 --> 54:42.620
there's an upcoming show

54:42.620 --> 54:45.060
called CTIA wireless

54:45.060 --> 54:47.900
2004 it is the large I'm

54:47.900 --> 54:49.040
going to read the blurb

54:49.040 --> 54:49.720
here it's the largest

54:49.720 --> 54:51.020
most comprehensive show

54:51.020 --> 54:52.120
in the wireless industry

54:52.120 --> 54:53.720
in the premier venue to

54:53.720 --> 54:55.160
exchange ideas create

54:55.160 --> 54:56.020
partnerships and

54:56.020 --> 54:57.360
collaborate to bring

54:57.360 --> 54:58.780
wireless telecommunications

54:58.780 --> 55:00.580
to new heights we have

55:00.580 --> 55:01.420
done all the legwork to

55:01.420 --> 55:02.380
bring every element of

55:02.380 --> 55:03.340
wireless together in one

55:03.340 --> 55:04.320
location over the course

55:04.320 --> 55:06.980
of three days this global

55:06.980 --> 55:08.540
event draws attendees from

55:08.540 --> 55:09.280
dozens of different

55:09.280 --> 55:10.140
industries in more than

55:10.140 --> 55:11.340
80 countries around the

55:11.340 --> 55:12.780
world serving every

55:12.780 --> 55:13.940
aspect of the wireless

55:13.940 --> 55:16.040
providers every aspect of

55:16.040 --> 55:17.000
wireless excuse me

55:17.000 --> 55:19.040
providers users developers

55:19.040 --> 55:20.960
buyers and manufacturers if

55:20.960 --> 55:22.180
you can only attend one

55:22.180 --> 55:23.880
industry event this year

55:23.880 --> 55:25.300
choose CTIA for the

55:25.300 --> 55:27.040
greatest value under one

55:27.040 --> 55:30.860
roof crap I guess we have

55:30.860 --> 55:32.120
to cancel hope five now

55:32.120 --> 55:33.660
yeah because this is the

55:33.660 --> 55:35.540
one to attend crap well

55:36.380 --> 55:37.540
actually this is March 22nd

55:37.540 --> 55:39.420
22nd through 24th which is

55:39.420 --> 55:40.840
exactly when we're airing the

55:40.840 --> 55:42.880
show so I guess it's a

55:42.880 --> 55:43.600
little too late to make

55:43.600 --> 55:45.780
this one now but you know

55:45.780 --> 55:46.940
though I was looking through

55:46.940 --> 55:48.420
the website and what was

55:48.420 --> 55:50.900
really bizarre was the last

55:50.900 --> 55:52.000
day you know what the final

55:52.000 --> 55:54.420
event of the whole thing the

55:54.420 --> 55:58.740
wireless fashion show okay

55:58.740 --> 56:01.600
wait so there I do don't ask me

56:01.600 --> 56:04.120
I don't know chicks walking

56:04.120 --> 56:05.960
around with cell phones on their

56:05.960 --> 56:07.420
breastuses I don't know what's

56:07.420 --> 56:07.860
going on

56:07.860 --> 56:09.460
oh no cell phone bras maybe

56:09.460 --> 56:13.040
I have no idea they show there

56:13.040 --> 56:15.040
was one picture on the site and

56:15.040 --> 56:18.840
it was a chick wearing just like

56:18.840 --> 56:20.080
this little dress when she was

56:20.080 --> 56:21.760
holding like a PDA in her hand

56:21.760 --> 56:23.220
like she was like it was a

56:23.220 --> 56:24.620
price is right model or

56:24.620 --> 56:25.780
something I don't know but there

56:25.780 --> 56:27.080
but there was a pic she was

56:27.080 --> 56:30.080
walking along a runway I don't know

56:30.080 --> 56:31.320
dude I think it's just an excuse to

56:31.320 --> 56:32.660
look at hot chicks myself hey

56:32.660 --> 56:35.320
whatever works I give that a big

56:35.320 --> 56:37.400
W O O T if that's what it's

56:37.400 --> 56:39.100
about I'll check that out maybe I

56:39.100 --> 56:41.420
can make this by Wednesday we're

56:41.420 --> 56:42.780
streaming this on Tuesday maybe

56:42.780 --> 56:44.040
I can hop on a plane and make it

56:44.040 --> 56:45.480
there for the fashion show you could

56:45.480 --> 56:47.520
do a live been read from there yeah

56:47.520 --> 56:51.740
we can do the hack TV prawn and

56:51.740 --> 56:53.640
actually the the real thing is called

56:53.640 --> 56:54.760
the wireless they're talking about

56:54.760 --> 56:55.760
a lot of different things but the

56:55.760 --> 56:59.380
main push is on cell phones and it

56:59.380 --> 57:00.740
will be interesting to see if

57:00.740 --> 57:02.360
there's this shows as big as they

57:02.360 --> 57:03.440
claim and they're going to release

57:03.440 --> 57:05.380
so much stuff here I'd like to see

57:05.380 --> 57:06.540
what kind of new phones they come

57:06.540 --> 57:07.840
out with because we've talked about

57:07.840 --> 57:10.340
the show how frustrating it is that

57:10.340 --> 57:12.620
Japan is so far ahead of us in

57:12.620 --> 57:15.280
cell phone technology it's just so

57:15.280 --> 57:17.540
maddening to see how the all the cool

57:17.540 --> 57:18.940
stuff that they have on their cell

57:18.940 --> 57:21.040
phones that we still don't get for a

57:21.040 --> 57:24.380
year two years later so maybe they'll

57:24.380 --> 57:25.720
announce some things maybe some stuff

57:25.720 --> 57:28.380
will come out at this event and we'll

57:28.380 --> 57:30.100
have some cool announcements on the

57:30.100 --> 57:31.620
upcoming episodes about it that would

57:31.620 --> 57:33.600
be nice to see some breakthrough

57:33.600 --> 57:35.760
technology on our country over in our

57:35.760 --> 57:37.000
country for a change over in the

57:37.000 --> 57:38.160
United States I shouldn't say our

57:38.160 --> 57:39.960
country over in the United States for a

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change so anyway man I think I'm not

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sure I didn't set the timer but I think

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we're pretty close to up so why don't

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you got any I'll let you I'll let you

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start off with a shout out so I've got a

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special shout out but why don't you if

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you want to shout anybody out take your

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shot man anybody you want to go for

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it's all yours um I just want to shout

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out to dual and bland for RFA and we're

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all waiting for a HPR shouts to the

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people in the in IRC who are probably

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listening to this right now don't know

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and shouts to access excess who turned

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me on to Linux and everything so shouts to

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him he's my homeboy anybody who turned

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someone on to Linux deserve shouts yeah

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definitely for all you uh Linux Turner

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honors out there Linux Turner honors yeah

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I'll second that one I'll make sure to put

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that in the show notes there you go oh yeah

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that's gonna be kind of ironic isn't it and

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think about that yeah well maybe somebody

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else can do this this week oh I don't

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know you might be opening yourself up to

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some cheap shots by doing that yeah I'll

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just I'll take care of it yeah I thought

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that might be best all right well uh all

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right well um my shout outs kind of

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serious I just have to say shout out again

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I second everything that you said

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absolutely agree completely I've said my

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shout outs to all to RFA for everything

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that they've done but singling out

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specifically this week I want to say

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congratulations to mr. and mrs. dual

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parallel so on a personal note

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congratulations from me to you um very

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cool and I spoke to him just yesterday

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uh he put up a great text file by the way

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I should pimp this text file he put up on

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oldschoolfreak.com the freaking oahu

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got to check that out very very well

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written article very cool stuff so um yeah

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I'm sorry it's got some pictures too from

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Hawaii yeah some cool pictures and it's

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exactly what I was when he when he posted

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the pictures of the pay phones it's

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exactly what I was picturing them like

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too I thought that was pretty neat so that

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is it um feedback again radio at

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binrev.com feedback on anything we've

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talked about in the show again reminder

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submit articles binrev 2.2 um articles at

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binrev.com we got to start sending

01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:06.200
articles in very very soon probably through

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the end of this month um is when we want

01:00:09.160 --> 01:00:10.940
to start cutting it off so if you got

01:00:10.940 --> 01:00:12.840
something to send go ahead and send it

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in now and our closing music this week

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I'm going to go with brad sucks again I

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really like this guy a lot he gave me

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permission was very cool talking with

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him on email to to use his music and he

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actually gave us a link over on his

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site so um go check him out of course

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we put links to all our music in the

01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:32.060
show notes on the radio page so you can

01:00:32.060 --> 01:00:33.440
always go check out the music we're

01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.840
playing not only brad sucks but a lot of

01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.600
independent music a lot of nerdcore a

01:00:37.600 --> 01:00:39.100
lot of everything we use we get

01:00:39.100 --> 01:00:40.800
permission and these people I really

01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.480
want to support them so go check any and

01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:44.940
all of them out this particular track

01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:46.700
again brad sucks is called fixing my

01:00:46.700 --> 01:00:49.380
brain so we're going to close out with

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that and hack and slash again thank you

01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:53.580
for doing the show thank you for that

01:00:53.580 --> 01:00:56.580
review I appreciate it and welcome to

01:00:56.580 --> 01:00:59.840
ddp good to have you aboard thanks so

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let's close out the show the same way

01:01:01.620 --> 01:01:04.860
we always do about this time we'll see

01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:06.780
everybody next week same hack time

01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:08.540
name hack channel

01:01:08.540 --> 01:01:25.640
we'll see you before all各 has been

01:01:25.640 --> 01:01:28.380
rock the world dark taking fun pills

01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:29.800
Pills

01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.160
Filling up all notes

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And dollar pills

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It's the

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Price you pay

01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:40.780
For feeling

01:01:40.780 --> 01:01:42.420
Okay

01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:44.840
You're the strangest

01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.140
Girl I've ever met

01:01:47.140 --> 01:01:48.380
Sending

01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:50.500
Weird signals to

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My head

01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:57.000
Hey

01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:02.220
I've been thinking about

01:02:02.220 --> 01:02:04.080
Fixing my brain

01:02:04.080 --> 01:02:06.840
But I'm afraid

01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.220
I won't feel the same

01:02:10.220 --> 01:02:12.660
Baby

01:02:12.660 --> 01:02:15.720
If it's all I do

01:02:15.720 --> 01:02:19.720
I've been thinking about

01:02:19.720 --> 01:02:21.560
Fixing my brain

01:02:21.560 --> 01:02:24.340
But I'm afraid

01:02:24.340 --> 01:02:26.840
I won't feel the same

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.120
Cause baby

01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:34.060
It's all I do

01:02:34.060 --> 01:02:38.180
Spending more and more time

01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:39.500
On the bed

01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:41.980
Thinking about the things

01:02:41.980 --> 01:02:43.860
I think you said

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It's been

01:02:45.200 --> 01:02:48.300
It's been all my life

01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:51.080
And it's hard

01:02:51.080 --> 01:02:52.080
To find

01:02:52.080 --> 01:02:55.200
That hell is coming

01:02:55.200 --> 01:02:56.860
Come and go

01:02:56.860 --> 01:02:58.500
I'm afraid

01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:00.680
My mind is getting

01:03:00.680 --> 01:03:02.020
I've been thinking about

01:03:02.020 --> 01:03:12.020
I've been thinking about

01:03:12.020 --> 01:03:13.900
Fixing my brain

01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:16.680
But I'm afraid

01:03:16.680 --> 01:03:19.900
I won't feel the same

01:03:19.900 --> 01:03:23.180
Baby

01:03:23.180 --> 01:03:25.120
It's all I do

01:03:25.120 --> 01:03:29.120
I've been thinking about

01:03:29.120 --> 01:03:30.400
I'm fixing my brain

01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:31.400
I'm fixing my brain

01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.140
But I'm afraid

01:03:34.140 --> 01:03:36.340
I won't feel the same

01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:39.620
Baby

01:03:39.620 --> 01:03:40.000
Baby

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.560
It's all I do

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I swear

01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:46.840
I swear

01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:48.580
It's not so hard

01:03:48.580 --> 01:03:50.780
To understand

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I just wanna get in the sun again

01:03:54.900 --> 01:03:56.840
Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again

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Sun again