WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.280 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers 00:07.280 --> 00:12.140 I see in binary, I speak source code 00:12.140 --> 00:16.000 Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose 00:16.000 --> 00:18.640 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho 00:18.640 --> 00:21.160 Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold 00:21.160 --> 00:22.940 I was a dick with my 56 00:22.940 --> 00:25.960 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable 00:25.960 --> 00:28.240 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo 00:28.240 --> 00:31.960 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero 00:31.960 --> 00:34.680 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats 00:34.680 --> 00:37.880 You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle 00:37.880 --> 00:39.900 Our exchange you could never stifle 00:39.900 --> 00:43.040 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug 00:43.040 --> 00:47.060 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z 00:47.060 --> 00:49.280 Your CG, it's all gonna be free 00:49.280 --> 00:51.680 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely 00:51.680 --> 00:53.580 You feel that rattle in your bones? 00:53.860 --> 00:55.800 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones 00:55.800 --> 00:57.940 And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back 00:57.940 --> 01:00.260 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:00.260 --> 01:03.000 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack 01:03.000 --> 01:06.040 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals 01:06.040 --> 01:11.000 Serial code, source code, ISO, RAN, SIF, SIF 01:11.000 --> 01:13.720 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals 01:13.720 --> 01:17.140 Documenting this call and if you purposely break the mouse 01:17.140 --> 01:18.720 It will not be covered by warranty 01:18.720 --> 01:21.280 Oh, well, you're gonna have to prove that, okay? 01:22.600 --> 01:24.320 Hey, it's in your warranty agreement, sir 01:24.320 --> 01:27.220 We do not replace for misuse and abuse 01:27.220 --> 01:29.280 I will, there is no misuse and abuse 01:29.280 --> 01:30.740 Just give me a new mouse 01:30.740 --> 01:32.180 Sir, if you purposefully break the mouse 01:32.180 --> 01:33.620 Give me a new mouse 01:33.620 --> 01:35.320 Sir, if you purposefully break the mouse 01:35.320 --> 01:37.280 Give me a new mouse 01:37.280 --> 01:41.220 Sir, if you purposefully break the mouse 01:41.220 --> 01:45.540 Sir, if you purposefully break the mouse 01:45.540 --> 01:47.460 Give me a new mouse 01:47.460 --> 01:49.900 I want a new fucking mouse 01:49.900 --> 01:51.340 It doesn't work 01:51.340 --> 01:53.360 Give me a goddamn supervisor 01:53.360 --> 01:56.540 Thank you to you 01:56.540 --> 01:59.260 Sir, I do need to warn you 01:59.260 --> 01:59.280 Sir, I do need to warn you 01:59.280 --> 02:00.480 Sir, I do need to warn you 02:00.480 --> 02:00.660 You need to warn me 02:00.660 --> 02:01.880 You need to warn me 02:01.880 --> 02:03.620 I've already read your documentation 02:03.620 --> 02:05.060 Thank you 02:05.060 --> 02:08.200 I'm 24 years old 02:08.200 --> 02:09.680 I'm an adult 02:09.680 --> 02:10.180 I'm an adult 02:10.180 --> 02:10.840 I'm an adult 02:10.840 --> 02:11.640 I'm an adult 02:11.640 --> 02:11.880 I'm an adult 02:11.880 --> 02:12.400 I'm an adult 02:12.400 --> 02:13.000 I'm an adult 02:13.000 --> 02:13.740 I'm an adult 02:13.740 --> 02:13.980 Thank you 02:13.980 --> 02:14.060 Sir, I'm an adult 02:14.060 --> 02:14.140 Thank you 02:14.140 --> 02:14.900 Sir, it's just for me 02:14.900 --> 02:15.640 Sir, that's 02:15.640 --> 02:16.400 You have to wait 02:16.400 --> 02:17.380 I'm a little bit more education 02:17.380 --> 02:18.000 Than you 02:18.000 --> 02:20.440 If you hang up this phone call 02:20.440 --> 02:22.780 You will be in a list of trouble 02:22.780 --> 02:25.000 Customer is always right 02:25.000 --> 02:26.040 Thank you 02:26.040 --> 02:27.080 La, la, la, la 02:27.080 --> 02:28.920 Customer is always right 02:28.920 --> 02:30.320 Customer is always right 02:30.320 --> 02:31.020 I speak clean 02:31.020 --> 02:33.140 To reply to this message 02:33.140 --> 02:33.960 Press repeat 02:33.960 --> 02:34.380 Alright 02:34.380 --> 02:35.860 Welcome everyone 02:35.860 --> 02:37.640 To Binary Revolution Radio 02:37.640 --> 02:40.240 Where the customer is always right 02:40.240 --> 02:41.820 I am joined this week 02:41.820 --> 02:44.260 By the infamous one himself 02:44.260 --> 02:45.920 The one and only Dual Parallel 02:45.920 --> 02:47.500 What's up, Stank? 02:47.880 --> 02:49.320 What's up, Mr. Parallel? 02:49.620 --> 02:50.320 It's been a long time 02:50.320 --> 02:51.480 How's Mrs. Parallel? 02:51.920 --> 02:52.500 It's doing well 02:52.500 --> 02:53.200 Doing well 02:53.200 --> 02:54.040 It's hot 02:54.040 --> 02:55.640 First time we've had you on the show 02:55.640 --> 02:57.000 You've been unplugged for quite a while 02:57.000 --> 02:58.900 I think that's been going pretty well for you 02:58.900 --> 03:00.860 Yeah, I'm kind of digging it 03:00.860 --> 03:02.140 I bet you are 03:02.140 --> 03:03.960 I get to screw up a lot of stuff 03:03.960 --> 03:05.700 I get to write for a little while 03:05.700 --> 03:06.860 And I do this, I do that 03:06.860 --> 03:07.800 It's really nice 03:07.800 --> 03:08.980 Very cool 03:08.980 --> 03:10.960 We're going to plug you back in for an hour or so 03:10.960 --> 03:11.380 How's that? 03:12.780 --> 03:13.360 Sounds bueno 03:13.360 --> 03:14.240 Bueno? 03:14.920 --> 03:15.240 Bueno 03:15.240 --> 03:17.060 Alright, well 03:17.060 --> 03:19.120 What you just heard on the opening 03:19.120 --> 03:20.760 What the listeners just heard 03:20.760 --> 03:22.980 Was a tech support call 03:22.980 --> 03:24.400 From Dell Computers 03:24.400 --> 03:26.260 Never been heard before 03:26.260 --> 03:27.100 That's an exclusive 03:27.100 --> 03:28.860 From Binary Revolution Radio 03:28.860 --> 03:29.280 They're 03:29.280 --> 03:32.160 Submitted by a friend of the show 03:32.160 --> 03:33.380 Who we can't really talk about 03:33.380 --> 03:34.720 Because we don't want to get anybody in trouble 03:34.720 --> 03:36.560 Because they're on the inside of the system 03:36.560 --> 03:37.560 So 03:37.560 --> 03:39.320 I hope you enjoyed that 03:39.320 --> 03:40.300 I thought it was pretty funny 03:40.300 --> 03:43.400 And we'll also 03:43.400 --> 03:43.940 Let's see 03:43.940 --> 03:44.400 In the housekeeping 03:44.400 --> 03:45.160 Remind everybody 03:45.160 --> 03:45.700 That there are 03:45.700 --> 03:46.820 2,600 meetings 03:46.820 --> 03:47.960 Coming this Friday 03:47.960 --> 03:49.500 Are you going to be able to make yours this Friday? 03:49.900 --> 03:50.880 No, I will not 03:50.880 --> 03:52.440 Next month though 03:52.440 --> 03:52.820 For sure 03:52.820 --> 03:53.420 Next month 03:53.420 --> 03:54.500 Alright 03:54.500 --> 03:55.800 Yeah, I think I'll 03:55.800 --> 03:57.680 Hopefully make mine this Friday 03:57.680 --> 03:58.260 If I can 03:58.260 --> 03:59.840 I'm jealous 03:59.840 --> 04:01.500 Man, if you can go, go 04:01.500 --> 04:02.960 I mean, I wish I could go every month 04:02.960 --> 04:04.160 Yeah, I just 04:04.160 --> 04:04.880 I have to 04:04.880 --> 04:06.080 Factor in the cost 04:06.080 --> 04:07.480 Of what else I could be working on 04:07.480 --> 04:08.520 Because I have such 04:08.520 --> 04:09.940 A small amount of free time 04:09.940 --> 04:10.360 But anyway 04:10.360 --> 04:11.080 I'm not going there 04:11.080 --> 04:13.200 Yeah, it's 04:13.200 --> 04:14.360 You know, it's just cool to hang out 04:14.360 --> 04:15.540 Even if it's just hanging out 04:15.540 --> 04:16.360 And talking with people 04:16.360 --> 04:17.080 Talking tech 04:17.080 --> 04:17.880 And talking geek 04:17.880 --> 04:19.740 That to me is worth it 04:19.740 --> 04:21.300 It's just fun to go do, you know 04:21.300 --> 04:21.800 Amen 04:21.800 --> 04:24.380 Praise the Lord 04:24.380 --> 04:25.040 So if you have 04:25.040 --> 04:26.320 Hey, listeners that go 04:26.320 --> 04:27.440 Or have go regularly 04:27.440 --> 04:27.920 That's great 04:27.920 --> 04:28.600 If you're a listener 04:28.600 --> 04:29.800 Who's never gone before 04:29.800 --> 04:31.180 Go check it out 04:31.180 --> 04:32.340 If you don't like it 04:32.340 --> 04:33.020 You don't have to go back 04:33.020 --> 04:33.940 But go check it out once 04:33.940 --> 04:34.820 Go check it out this Friday 04:34.820 --> 04:35.520 Make that your 04:35.520 --> 04:37.000 Cinco de Mayo 04:37.000 --> 04:38.860 Actually, what day does that fall on this? 04:39.020 --> 04:40.180 What's Friday the 7th? 04:40.200 --> 04:41.120 It falls on the 5th 04:41.120 --> 04:42.000 No, it doesn't 04:42.000 --> 04:42.740 It's on the 7th 04:42.740 --> 04:43.640 But Friday the 7th 04:43.640 --> 04:44.820 No, Cinco de Mayo 04:44.820 --> 04:45.440 It falls on the 5th 04:45.440 --> 04:45.820 Oh, I know 04:45.820 --> 04:46.940 I was saying it might be funny 04:46.940 --> 04:47.980 If it falls on the 5th 04:47.980 --> 04:49.160 Oh, if that was 04:49.160 --> 04:49.780 Ah, yes 04:49.780 --> 04:51.460 No, it's Friday the 7th 04:51.460 --> 04:51.820 Nah 04:51.820 --> 04:52.220 Oh, well 04:52.220 --> 04:52.820 Close enough 04:52.820 --> 04:55.340 Cinco is 5 04:55.340 --> 04:56.520 Cieto de Mayo 04:56.520 --> 04:57.900 Right? 04:58.280 --> 04:59.080 Siete de Mayo 04:59.080 --> 05:01.000 Is that right? 05:01.580 --> 05:02.320 Yeah, Cinco de Mayo 05:02.320 --> 05:03.960 Oh, shit 05:03.960 --> 05:05.320 What's that? 05:05.380 --> 05:05.860 That's cool 05:05.860 --> 05:07.640 That would be 05:07.640 --> 05:09.000 The monkey cat 05:09.000 --> 05:10.240 Jumping onto the computer 05:10.240 --> 05:10.880 Next to him 05:10.880 --> 05:12.100 Dude, awesome 05:12.100 --> 05:15.340 Stupid cat 05:15.340 --> 05:16.200 What'd he do? 05:16.260 --> 05:16.860 What'd he screw up? 05:17.020 --> 05:17.980 Oh, he jumped on the keyboard 05:17.980 --> 05:18.460 I don't know 05:18.460 --> 05:19.340 It's a headless machine 05:19.340 --> 05:19.760 So I don't know 05:19.760 --> 05:20.960 What the hell happened 05:20.960 --> 05:23.160 Dude, when the show's over with 05:23.160 --> 05:24.260 Oh, man, this is bad radio 05:24.260 --> 05:24.520 I'm sorry 05:24.520 --> 05:25.460 Alright, back to the show 05:25.460 --> 05:26.580 Bitch and see what happens 05:26.580 --> 05:28.820 Oh, I'm not gonna connect to that right now 05:28.820 --> 05:29.200 I don't wanna 05:29.200 --> 05:31.080 I'm Rick James, bitch 05:31.080 --> 05:32.440 That's the Bland, by the way 05:32.440 --> 05:34.500 Yeah, Bland 05:34.500 --> 05:35.420 We'll put him 05:35.420 --> 05:36.400 We gotta shout out to Bland 05:36.400 --> 05:37.280 We can invest 05:37.280 --> 05:38.380 Oh, no, go ahead 05:38.380 --> 05:38.640 Go ahead 05:38.640 --> 05:40.440 Alright, let's jump back in here 05:40.440 --> 05:41.320 I'm sorry, the monkey cat 05:41.320 --> 05:43.880 Just screwed the whole thing up 05:43.880 --> 05:45.060 Recording, right? 05:45.240 --> 05:46.060 Yeah, we're recording 05:46.060 --> 05:46.620 The show's going 05:46.620 --> 05:48.500 I'm not stopping it 05:48.500 --> 05:49.420 I'm not editing it out 05:49.420 --> 05:50.580 That's a sign, dude 05:50.580 --> 05:51.560 I'm on the show 05:51.560 --> 05:52.500 That happens, dude 05:52.500 --> 05:55.620 What does the sign mean? 05:55.820 --> 05:56.360 I don't know 05:56.360 --> 05:57.740 Oh, okay, it's just a sign 05:57.740 --> 05:58.040 Okay 05:58.040 --> 06:00.040 Like you scare the hell out of cats 06:00.040 --> 06:00.880 Is that what the sign is? 06:01.920 --> 06:02.940 I scare pussy 06:02.940 --> 06:06.260 Oh, man 06:06.260 --> 06:08.220 Oh, that's a good outtake 06:08.220 --> 06:09.160 Except it's not an outtake 06:09.160 --> 06:09.900 It's staying in the show 06:09.900 --> 06:11.260 Alright, anyway 06:11.260 --> 06:12.360 Let's jump into some email 06:12.360 --> 06:12.720 We gotta 06:12.720 --> 06:13.400 You know what? 06:13.420 --> 06:14.280 We have a lot of 06:14.280 --> 06:16.020 Serious topics coming up 06:16.020 --> 06:16.780 We're joking now 06:16.780 --> 06:17.860 Let's go through some email 06:17.860 --> 06:18.720 Some good stuff 06:18.720 --> 06:20.220 Do a quick 06:20.220 --> 06:22.620 What's happening 06:22.620 --> 06:23.420 Kind of section 06:23.420 --> 06:25.380 And then jump into 06:25.380 --> 06:26.200 Some serious topics 06:26.200 --> 06:26.740 Because you and I 06:26.740 --> 06:27.960 Both have some serious topics 06:27.960 --> 06:28.800 We wanted to talk about 06:28.800 --> 06:29.780 So I wanna make sure 06:29.780 --> 06:30.880 We give them the time 06:30.880 --> 06:32.580 That they so richly deserve 06:32.580 --> 06:34.740 So, first email I got 06:34.740 --> 06:35.440 Is from 06:35.440 --> 06:36.560 Neg Output 06:36.560 --> 06:37.300 Which I think 06:37.300 --> 06:37.880 That's a cool name 06:37.880 --> 06:38.220 By the way 06:38.220 --> 06:39.160 And he says 06:39.160 --> 06:40.040 Hey, Stank 06:40.040 --> 06:41.380 Thanks for my email 06:41.380 --> 06:42.420 Readout on the air 06:42.420 --> 06:43.300 Last week we read 06:43.300 --> 06:44.160 His email 06:44.160 --> 06:45.840 I will try to 06:45.840 --> 06:47.060 He's the wildest guy 06:47.060 --> 06:48.500 The wildest 06:48.500 --> 06:49.640 Yeah, I'm just wild 06:49.640 --> 06:51.020 That's a cool word, man 06:51.020 --> 06:51.660 Prop stand for 06:51.660 --> 06:52.220 Knowing the language 06:52.220 --> 06:52.800 Yeah, right 06:52.800 --> 06:54.160 Okay, he says 06:54.160 --> 06:55.460 I will try to scan a copy 06:55.460 --> 06:56.320 Of the Cave Clan 06:56.320 --> 06:57.100 Drain magazine 06:57.100 --> 06:58.140 For all to check out 06:58.140 --> 06:58.880 And I will definitely see 06:58.880 --> 07:00.280 If I can make some great video 07:00.280 --> 07:01.380 Of an exploration 07:01.380 --> 07:02.400 With a cool twist 07:02.400 --> 07:03.140 Like popping up 07:03.140 --> 07:03.940 A manhole cover 07:03.940 --> 07:04.420 In the middle of 07:04.420 --> 07:04.900 The main street 07:04.900 --> 07:05.780 Of central Sydney 07:05.780 --> 07:07.160 Dude, how cool would that be? 07:07.160 --> 07:07.940 Very cool 07:07.940 --> 07:09.000 That's a cool idea 07:09.000 --> 07:10.720 I'll be your hookup 07:10.720 --> 07:11.640 For the show's grammar 07:11.640 --> 07:12.580 See, awesome 07:12.580 --> 07:14.200 That's good stuff right there 07:14.200 --> 07:15.120 I'm all about that 07:15.120 --> 07:16.100 I just heard a piece 07:16.100 --> 07:17.580 On NPR 07:17.580 --> 07:18.560 And they were speaking 07:18.560 --> 07:19.160 To some woman 07:19.160 --> 07:20.240 About punctuation 07:20.240 --> 07:21.600 That she was going on 07:21.600 --> 07:22.120 About, you know 07:22.120 --> 07:23.320 Colons and semicolons 07:23.320 --> 07:23.940 And apostrophies 07:23.940 --> 07:24.980 And I dug that 07:24.980 --> 07:25.960 That's, okay 07:25.960 --> 07:26.600 That was weird 07:26.600 --> 07:27.220 Yeah, that's weird 07:27.220 --> 07:27.660 I thought it was 07:27.660 --> 07:28.560 Goal, so props to this guy 07:28.560 --> 07:29.520 You know what 07:29.520 --> 07:30.660 If I'm writing something formal 07:30.660 --> 07:31.520 I'm all about it too 07:31.520 --> 07:32.140 I'm very careful 07:32.140 --> 07:32.520 But man 07:32.520 --> 07:32.900 Okay, good 07:32.900 --> 07:33.980 This is where you and I differ 07:33.980 --> 07:34.940 Like in IMs 07:34.940 --> 07:35.840 I couldn't care less 07:35.840 --> 07:36.620 I don't correct myself 07:36.620 --> 07:37.340 In an instant message 07:37.340 --> 07:37.740 I mean either 07:37.740 --> 07:38.260 Not anymore 07:38.260 --> 07:39.520 I've had to train myself 07:39.520 --> 07:39.960 To, you know 07:39.960 --> 07:40.520 Not capitalize 07:40.520 --> 07:41.020 Oh, okay 07:41.020 --> 07:41.840 See, I thought you used to 07:41.840 --> 07:42.760 Give me some hell about 07:42.760 --> 07:43.840 I did 07:43.840 --> 07:44.660 Because I used to do it too 07:44.660 --> 07:45.440 But now I'm just all 07:45.440 --> 07:45.760 You know 07:45.760 --> 07:46.420 Whatever 07:46.420 --> 07:48.280 As long as the point gets across 07:48.280 --> 07:49.780 Anyway, he says 07:49.780 --> 07:51.100 I logged myself into your forum 07:51.100 --> 07:51.860 So I hope to chat 07:51.860 --> 07:52.980 To you all sometime 07:52.980 --> 07:54.620 Again, that was from 07:54.620 --> 07:55.080 Neg Output 07:55.080 --> 07:56.020 Thank you again for the email 07:56.020 --> 07:57.240 Welcome to the forums 07:57.240 --> 07:58.700 There's a little drama 07:58.700 --> 07:59.440 Going on right now 07:59.440 --> 08:00.360 Just ignore that 08:00.360 --> 08:01.460 Pretend it's not happening 08:01.460 --> 08:02.220 Just go on with life 08:02.220 --> 08:03.340 There's a lot of good content 08:03.340 --> 08:04.280 A lot of good stuff out there 08:04.280 --> 08:05.540 And I'm sure you will enjoy 08:05.540 --> 08:06.380 I hope you'll enjoy 08:06.380 --> 08:09.300 I can't wait to see the video 08:09.300 --> 08:10.860 I think that sounds really cool 08:10.860 --> 08:11.760 So as soon as you can 08:11.760 --> 08:12.580 Send that to us 08:12.580 --> 08:13.160 Or upload it 08:13.160 --> 08:13.940 Or just email me 08:13.940 --> 08:14.820 We'll work something out 08:14.820 --> 08:15.640 To get it uploaded 08:15.640 --> 08:18.120 And the grammar thing 08:18.120 --> 08:19.340 Like we just said 08:19.340 --> 08:20.280 I don't know if you realize 08:20.280 --> 08:21.260 What you're in for here 08:21.260 --> 08:21.900 Yeah 08:21.900 --> 08:22.520 We can get 08:22.520 --> 08:23.180 Oh, that's what 08:23.180 --> 08:23.640 We don't need it 08:23.640 --> 08:24.640 We speak good 08:24.640 --> 08:25.640 Yeah, we speak 08:25.640 --> 08:26.440 Darn good 08:26.440 --> 08:27.860 We speak well 08:27.860 --> 08:29.120 See, I corrected it 08:29.120 --> 08:29.920 I did it the right way 08:29.920 --> 08:32.540 Me am speaking good English 08:32.540 --> 08:34.820 Alrighty, anyway 08:34.820 --> 08:35.600 Yeah, you got your work 08:35.600 --> 08:36.080 Cut out for it 08:36.080 --> 08:36.760 On the grammar part 08:36.760 --> 08:38.460 Another email 08:38.460 --> 08:40.420 From Alpha Omega 13 08:40.420 --> 08:41.660 Who state 08:41.660 --> 08:42.520 And this one's a little longer 08:42.520 --> 08:43.640 Hey Stank Dog 08:43.640 --> 08:44.400 I have been listening 08:44.400 --> 08:45.160 To your show now 08:45.160 --> 08:46.380 For almost six months 08:46.380 --> 08:47.080 Great job 08:47.080 --> 08:48.620 I have enjoyed every episode 08:48.620 --> 08:49.720 Props to you 08:49.720 --> 08:50.800 And all of the hackers 08:50.800 --> 08:51.700 That listen and contribute 08:51.700 --> 08:52.620 To you and your show 08:52.620 --> 08:53.860 Also props to those 08:53.860 --> 08:54.600 Who know how to 08:54.600 --> 08:56.820 RTFM 08:56.820 --> 08:57.280 Which of course 08:57.280 --> 08:58.700 Is read the freaking manual 08:58.700 --> 09:00.580 The reason for the email 09:00.580 --> 09:02.160 Is to type an obscure passage 09:02.160 --> 09:02.720 In a book 09:02.720 --> 09:03.440 That I am reading 09:03.440 --> 09:04.200 The book is 09:04.200 --> 09:05.020 Hacker's Delight 09:05.020 --> 09:06.860 By Henry S. Warren Jr. 09:07.020 --> 09:08.080 Written in 2003 09:08.080 --> 09:11.260 The passage is on page 14 09:11.260 --> 09:11.920 XIV 09:11.920 --> 09:12.840 Which is in the introduction 09:12.840 --> 09:13.920 Actually, I believe 09:13.920 --> 09:15.260 Middle paragraph 09:15.260 --> 09:16.020 And it states 09:16.020 --> 09:16.700 And I quote 09:16.700 --> 09:18.860 Finally, I should mention 09:18.860 --> 09:20.140 That the term hacker 09:20.140 --> 09:21.000 In the title 09:21.000 --> 09:23.060 Is meant in the original sense 09:23.060 --> 09:24.220 Of an aficionado 09:24.220 --> 09:25.360 Of computers 09:25.360 --> 09:26.400 Someone who enjoys 09:26.400 --> 09:27.260 Making computers 09:27.260 --> 09:28.160 Do new things 09:28.160 --> 09:29.460 Or do old things 09:29.460 --> 09:30.900 In a new and clever way 09:30.900 --> 09:32.000 The hacker 09:32.000 --> 09:33.120 Is usually quite good 09:33.120 --> 09:33.840 At his craft 09:33.840 --> 09:35.640 But may very well 09:35.640 --> 09:36.940 Not be a professional 09:36.940 --> 09:37.880 Computer programmer 09:37.880 --> 09:38.640 Or designer 09:38.640 --> 09:39.960 The hacker's work 09:39.960 --> 09:40.620 May be useful 09:40.620 --> 09:41.880 Or just be a game 09:41.880 --> 09:42.920 As an example 09:42.920 --> 09:43.580 Of the latter 09:43.580 --> 09:44.920 More than one hacker 09:44.920 --> 09:45.760 Has written a program 09:45.760 --> 09:47.000 Which, when executed 09:47.000 --> 09:48.780 Writes out an exact copy 09:48.780 --> 09:49.320 Of itself 09:49.320 --> 09:50.900 This is the sense 09:50.900 --> 09:52.200 That we use the term 09:52.200 --> 09:52.820 Hacker 09:52.820 --> 09:55.040 There's also a little 09:55.040 --> 09:56.040 Example program here 09:56.040 --> 09:57.140 That I can't quite read 09:57.140 --> 09:57.380 In the air 09:57.380 --> 09:58.120 It won't interpret well 09:58.120 --> 10:00.240 But he goes on to say 10:00.240 --> 10:00.880 I don't think 10:00.880 --> 10:01.600 That hacker 10:01.600 --> 10:02.280 Could have been 10:02.280 --> 10:03.160 Defined better 10:03.160 --> 10:04.980 One more topic 10:04.980 --> 10:06.440 It is about hack TV 10:06.440 --> 10:07.120 Good job 10:07.120 --> 10:08.140 I liked hack TV 10:08.140 --> 10:09.700 It was very informational 10:09.700 --> 10:10.640 With the exception 10:10.640 --> 10:11.660 Of the cold air 10:11.660 --> 10:12.500 Induction system 10:12.500 --> 10:13.180 On your car 10:13.180 --> 10:14.340 I thought that 10:14.340 --> 10:15.340 It was kind of lame 10:15.340 --> 10:16.400 That is just my opinion 10:16.400 --> 10:17.500 But I think that 10:17.500 --> 10:17.960 Your listeners 10:17.960 --> 10:18.900 And now watchers 10:18.900 --> 10:19.420 Would appreciate 10:19.420 --> 10:20.120 Just sticking to 10:20.120 --> 10:20.780 The war driving 10:20.780 --> 10:21.860 And things of that nature 10:21.860 --> 10:22.960 If we wanted to know 10:22.960 --> 10:23.620 About your car 10:23.620 --> 10:24.140 Then maybe 10:24.140 --> 10:25.540 Have a show called 10:25.540 --> 10:26.380 Hacked Gearheads 10:26.380 --> 10:26.800 Or something 10:26.800 --> 10:27.680 To that degree 10:27.680 --> 10:29.100 Suggestion 10:29.100 --> 10:29.760 The comments 10:29.760 --> 10:31.380 That you cannot finish 10:31.380 --> 10:32.460 Due to legal implications 10:32.460 --> 10:32.960 Or whatever 10:32.960 --> 10:34.420 Why not animate them 10:34.420 --> 10:35.020 In flash 10:35.020 --> 10:35.780 Or swish 10:35.780 --> 10:37.200 Then maybe 10:37.200 --> 10:37.960 You could finish them 10:37.960 --> 10:39.060 Then you could finish them 10:39.060 --> 10:40.160 You cannot arrest 10:40.160 --> 10:41.120 A digital cartoon 10:41.120 --> 10:42.040 This is all purely 10:42.040 --> 10:43.080 Suggestions and opinions 10:43.080 --> 10:43.900 I am probably 10:43.900 --> 10:44.400 One of your most 10:44.400 --> 10:44.980 Loyal listeners 10:44.980 --> 10:45.580 And watchers 10:45.580 --> 10:46.200 Good job 10:46.200 --> 10:47.000 On everything 10:47.000 --> 10:47.540 That you have done 10:47.540 --> 10:47.760 Today 10:47.760 --> 10:49.040 Keep up the excellent work 10:49.040 --> 10:50.220 Okay 10:50.220 --> 10:50.940 First of all 10:50.940 --> 10:51.760 Thank you very much 10:51.760 --> 10:52.300 For this email 10:52.300 --> 10:52.920 I like 10:52.920 --> 10:54.520 Someone pointing out 10:54.520 --> 10:55.500 And being honest 10:55.500 --> 10:56.600 Without being insulting 10:56.600 --> 10:57.880 And personal 10:57.880 --> 10:59.120 In their attacks 10:59.120 --> 11:00.360 Making suggestions 11:00.360 --> 11:00.860 Yeah 11:00.860 --> 11:01.540 Absolutely 11:01.540 --> 11:02.400 And that 11:02.400 --> 11:03.160 I appreciate 11:03.160 --> 11:03.820 I respect 11:03.820 --> 11:04.700 And I'll listen to 11:04.700 --> 11:05.640 And quite frankly 11:05.640 --> 11:07.400 I do have 11:07.400 --> 11:08.440 First of all 11:08.440 --> 11:09.780 The flash animation 11:09.780 --> 11:10.800 I like that idea 11:10.800 --> 11:12.000 I do think that's cool 11:12.000 --> 11:12.760 I don't know that 11:12.760 --> 11:13.220 That's going to 11:13.220 --> 11:14.280 Necessarily cover us 11:14.280 --> 11:14.800 On the legal 11:14.800 --> 11:16.280 Edge of things 11:16.280 --> 11:16.900 But I think 11:16.900 --> 11:17.440 It might just be 11:17.440 --> 11:18.380 An interesting twist 11:18.380 --> 11:19.600 Something to do differently 11:19.600 --> 11:21.600 I'm not sure 11:21.600 --> 11:23.060 I don't think 11:23.060 --> 11:23.800 That would fly 11:23.800 --> 11:24.140 Yeah 11:24.140 --> 11:24.500 I don't know 11:24.500 --> 11:24.840 That it's going to 11:24.840 --> 11:25.340 Cover us legally 11:25.340 --> 11:25.980 On everything 11:25.980 --> 11:26.780 But on some things 11:26.780 --> 11:27.240 It might 11:27.240 --> 11:28.640 On some things 11:28.640 --> 11:29.020 It might 11:29.020 --> 11:29.680 So anyway 11:29.680 --> 11:30.440 It is still 11:30.440 --> 11:31.120 A good suggestion 11:31.120 --> 11:31.680 And I think 11:31.680 --> 11:32.240 It might just make 11:32.240 --> 11:33.220 Things more interesting 11:33.220 --> 11:34.480 From an artistic standpoint 11:34.480 --> 11:35.300 If nothing else 11:35.300 --> 11:37.600 This is a lot of people 11:37.600 --> 11:38.040 Off 11:38.040 --> 11:41.300 Think about it 11:41.300 --> 11:41.920 Think about the audience 11:41.920 --> 11:43.080 Consider the audience 11:43.080 --> 11:43.540 They don't like 11:43.540 --> 11:44.240 Flash already 11:44.240 --> 11:45.220 Like on the interweb 11:45.220 --> 11:45.480 So 11:45.480 --> 11:46.400 Yeah but this is 11:46.400 --> 11:46.620 Going to be 11:46.620 --> 11:47.600 Embedded in the video 11:47.600 --> 11:48.320 I know 11:48.320 --> 11:48.760 So 11:48.760 --> 11:51.140 I want to see 11:51.140 --> 11:52.080 Live action baby 11:52.080 --> 11:53.340 Well we'll see 11:53.340 --> 11:53.980 How it works out 11:53.980 --> 11:54.720 If there's a chance 11:54.720 --> 11:55.160 To use it 11:55.160 --> 11:56.060 I mean I didn't 11:56.060 --> 11:56.480 Even have it 11:56.480 --> 11:57.060 In my mind 11:57.060 --> 11:57.780 To consider before 11:57.780 --> 11:58.420 And now I do 11:58.420 --> 11:59.020 So just 11:59.020 --> 11:59.920 As another option 11:59.920 --> 12:00.240 I think 12:00.240 --> 12:01.240 It's a very good idea 12:01.240 --> 12:02.600 Of course I don't 12:02.600 --> 12:03.160 Know the first thing 12:03.160 --> 12:03.680 About flash 12:03.680 --> 12:04.360 I have no artistic 12:04.360 --> 12:04.620 Time 12:04.620 --> 12:05.520 I've talked about 12:05.520 --> 12:05.960 That before 12:05.960 --> 12:07.120 I can draw 12:07.120 --> 12:07.840 Stick figures 12:07.840 --> 12:08.400 With penises 12:08.400 --> 12:08.900 I'm pretty good 12:08.900 --> 12:09.180 At that 12:09.180 --> 12:09.760 That's about it 12:09.760 --> 12:10.160 Dude 12:10.160 --> 12:10.840 That's all my 12:10.840 --> 12:11.440 That's all my 12:11.440 --> 12:12.500 Artistic artwork man 12:12.500 --> 12:13.200 That's all I can do 12:13.200 --> 12:15.960 Let's see 12:15.960 --> 12:16.300 Oh the 12:16.300 --> 12:17.020 Okay the actual 12:17.020 --> 12:17.540 The main thing 12:17.540 --> 12:18.320 Here was that 12:18.320 --> 12:19.140 Passage from the book 12:19.140 --> 12:19.800 That's actually 12:19.800 --> 12:20.580 Pretty accurate 12:20.580 --> 12:20.960 And something 12:20.960 --> 12:21.660 And it's good 12:21.660 --> 12:22.160 That you're on here 12:22.160 --> 12:22.780 Because you and I 12:22.780 --> 12:23.400 Say this a lot 12:23.400 --> 12:24.240 I know Rax agrees 12:24.240 --> 12:25.080 And says this a lot 12:25.080 --> 12:26.120 No one really 12:26.120 --> 12:27.120 Gets the true 12:27.120 --> 12:28.080 Definition of a hacker 12:28.080 --> 12:28.820 And one reason 12:28.820 --> 12:29.400 Because of that 12:29.400 --> 12:29.720 Is because there 12:29.720 --> 12:30.500 Is no one 12:30.500 --> 12:32.200 Plain 12:32.200 --> 12:33.560 Textbook definition 12:33.560 --> 12:34.100 Of a hacker 12:34.100 --> 12:34.500 Really 12:34.500 --> 12:35.580 You know 12:35.580 --> 12:36.300 I think 12:36.300 --> 12:36.840 Alpha's correct 12:36.840 --> 12:37.500 You did find 12:37.500 --> 12:38.400 Probably one of 12:38.400 --> 12:39.800 The best definitions 12:39.800 --> 12:40.280 Of it 12:40.280 --> 12:40.580 Yeah 12:40.580 --> 12:41.320 Absolutely 12:41.320 --> 12:42.080 And you know 12:42.080 --> 12:44.180 It's about the mindset 12:44.180 --> 12:45.400 It's about the mindset 12:45.400 --> 12:46.360 And try to figure out 12:46.360 --> 12:46.800 What the 12:46.800 --> 12:47.800 The way the person 12:47.800 --> 12:48.200 Is thinking 12:48.200 --> 12:48.720 And being able 12:48.720 --> 12:49.360 To think that way 12:49.360 --> 12:49.660 To me 12:49.660 --> 12:50.040 That kind of 12:50.040 --> 12:50.560 Makes a hacker 12:50.560 --> 12:50.880 And I know 12:50.880 --> 12:51.460 That's not a good 12:51.460 --> 12:52.860 Textbook definition 12:52.860 --> 12:53.400 To memorize 12:53.400 --> 12:54.160 In a class 12:54.160 --> 12:55.120 Or something like that 12:55.120 --> 12:56.040 Well if hackers 12:56.040 --> 12:57.000 Weren't so OCD 12:57.000 --> 12:57.520 And anal 12:57.520 --> 12:58.080 They wouldn't be 12:58.080 --> 12:58.620 Talking about 12:58.620 --> 12:59.220 The definitions 12:59.220 --> 12:59.820 All the time 12:59.820 --> 13:00.580 Well yeah 13:00.580 --> 13:01.120 I'm a little bit 13:01.120 --> 13:01.420 On the 13:01.420 --> 13:02.180 I'm a little bit 13:02.180 --> 13:02.840 OCD though 13:02.840 --> 13:04.060 So what can I tell you 13:04.060 --> 13:04.540 There you go 13:04.540 --> 13:05.600 But yeah 13:05.600 --> 13:06.820 In this particular case 13:06.820 --> 13:07.240 I'm not 13:07.240 --> 13:08.400 Because you know 13:08.400 --> 13:09.240 I said it before 13:09.240 --> 13:09.680 You can't 13:09.680 --> 13:10.660 Trying to define a hacker 13:10.660 --> 13:12.060 How did I say one time 13:12.060 --> 13:12.560 I was like 13:12.560 --> 13:14.160 Trying to 13:14.160 --> 13:15.280 I don't remember 13:15.280 --> 13:15.820 Something about 13:15.820 --> 13:17.240 Trying to catch the wind 13:17.240 --> 13:18.080 Trying to grab 13:18.080 --> 13:18.940 A handful of water 13:18.940 --> 13:19.740 I think that's what I said 13:19.740 --> 13:20.200 I don't know 13:20.200 --> 13:21.720 Something corny like that 13:21.720 --> 13:23.740 Yeah I mean 13:23.740 --> 13:24.300 People try to 13:24.300 --> 13:25.400 Try to define hackers 13:25.400 --> 13:26.260 Based on actions 13:26.260 --> 13:27.540 And applications 13:27.540 --> 13:28.400 Of programs 13:28.400 --> 13:29.180 And somebody writes 13:29.180 --> 13:29.860 A cool program 13:29.860 --> 13:30.500 And it's used to 13:30.500 --> 13:31.300 Create a virus 13:31.300 --> 13:32.180 Somehow they use that 13:32.180 --> 13:32.960 To define the hacker 13:32.960 --> 13:33.860 Instead of the intent 13:33.860 --> 13:34.440 And the mindset 13:34.440 --> 13:35.900 Of coming up with 13:35.900 --> 13:36.620 Such a cool app 13:36.620 --> 13:37.740 A cool program 13:37.740 --> 13:38.140 Or something 13:38.140 --> 13:39.300 If it's applied 13:39.300 --> 13:40.240 Some other way 13:40.240 --> 13:40.660 That's 13:40.660 --> 13:41.460 You know 13:41.460 --> 13:42.420 That's like afterwards 13:42.420 --> 13:42.940 That's trying to 13:42.940 --> 13:43.880 Define something afterwards 13:43.880 --> 13:44.680 And it's not quite 13:44.680 --> 13:45.720 The same 13:45.720 --> 13:46.020 But yeah 13:46.020 --> 13:46.820 Exactly what he said 13:46.820 --> 13:47.240 Trying to make 13:47.240 --> 13:48.080 Something work better 13:48.080 --> 13:48.980 More efficiently 13:48.980 --> 13:50.000 Than it did before 13:50.000 --> 13:50.980 Doing it in a new way 13:50.980 --> 13:51.980 That's never been thought of 13:51.980 --> 13:53.140 Those are the things 13:53.140 --> 13:55.060 That really show 13:55.060 --> 13:56.260 The mindset of a hacker 13:56.260 --> 13:57.340 You know 13:57.340 --> 13:58.260 I agree 13:58.260 --> 13:59.560 So programming 13:59.560 --> 14:00.540 Is a big part 14:00.540 --> 14:01.360 Of that obviously 14:01.360 --> 14:02.020 The books 14:02.020 --> 14:02.840 Have you heard 14:02.840 --> 14:03.400 Of this book before 14:03.400 --> 14:04.720 I've heard the name before 14:04.720 --> 14:05.760 Hackers Delight 14:05.760 --> 14:06.100 Isn't that 14:06.100 --> 14:06.600 Yeah it's like 14:06.600 --> 14:06.940 All about 14:06.940 --> 14:08.140 Type code 14:08.140 --> 14:09.300 And real creative 14:09.300 --> 14:10.220 Elegant kind of stuff 14:10.220 --> 14:11.240 I think I have heard of it 14:11.240 --> 14:11.700 Right right 14:11.700 --> 14:12.740 It's not all that obscure 14:12.740 --> 14:13.460 It's just not 14:13.460 --> 14:14.700 Your stereotypical 14:14.700 --> 14:15.600 You know when you go 14:15.600 --> 14:15.980 To the bookstore 14:15.980 --> 14:16.460 And you see 14:16.460 --> 14:17.540 All the hacking books 14:17.540 --> 14:18.200 It's always how to 14:18.200 --> 14:19.080 Hack proof your network 14:19.080 --> 14:20.080 And hacking Linux 14:20.080 --> 14:20.800 And hacking blah 14:20.800 --> 14:22.560 It's not one of those 14:22.560 --> 14:23.800 Stereotypical hacking books 14:23.800 --> 14:24.840 It's a programming book 14:24.840 --> 14:25.380 Yeah 14:25.380 --> 14:26.320 Showing some neat tricks 14:26.320 --> 14:26.660 And hacks 14:26.660 --> 14:27.180 So it is 14:27.180 --> 14:28.080 Actually got some 14:28.080 --> 14:28.400 You know 14:28.400 --> 14:29.140 Some good reviews 14:29.140 --> 14:30.360 And it's fairly well known 14:30.360 --> 14:32.000 But yeah 14:32.000 --> 14:32.660 Actually I'm kind of 14:32.660 --> 14:33.360 Motivated to go look 14:33.360 --> 14:34.100 For that myself now 14:34.100 --> 14:35.040 I might go check that out 14:35.040 --> 14:35.600 Oh I bet 14:35.600 --> 14:36.080 That's a good book 14:36.080 --> 14:36.420 Yeah 14:36.420 --> 14:37.500 Now as far as 14:37.500 --> 14:38.340 The car hacking segment 14:38.340 --> 14:39.320 To get to the actual 14:39.320 --> 14:40.140 Descriptions here 14:40.140 --> 14:41.620 Some people liked it 14:41.620 --> 14:42.320 Some didn't 14:42.320 --> 14:42.980 And of course 14:42.980 --> 14:43.580 That's going to happen 14:43.580 --> 14:44.320 With all of them 14:44.320 --> 14:44.900 You know 14:44.900 --> 14:45.400 That's just going to 14:45.400 --> 14:46.100 Happen with everything 14:46.100 --> 14:46.600 But 14:46.600 --> 14:48.400 I'll tell you this 14:48.400 --> 14:49.380 I will not 14:49.380 --> 14:51.280 See we say 14:51.280 --> 14:51.640 Again 14:51.640 --> 14:52.080 There's something else 14:52.080 --> 14:52.620 We say on the show 14:52.620 --> 14:53.100 All the time 14:53.100 --> 14:53.640 And maybe you'll 14:53.640 --> 14:54.320 Back me up on this 14:54.320 --> 14:54.600 I know 14:54.600 --> 14:54.980 Is that 14:54.980 --> 14:56.680 Hacking isn't just computers 14:56.680 --> 14:57.400 You know 14:57.400 --> 14:57.740 We have 14:57.740 --> 14:59.320 Even just within 14:59.320 --> 14:59.880 I mean 14:59.880 --> 15:00.740 Freakers are considered 15:00.740 --> 15:01.140 Hackers 15:01.140 --> 15:01.680 But they're dealing 15:01.680 --> 15:02.540 With the phone system 15:02.540 --> 15:03.720 So there's different 15:03.720 --> 15:04.060 So there's different types 15:04.060 --> 15:04.520 Of hacking 15:04.520 --> 15:05.160 And different things 15:05.160 --> 15:05.960 That are on the fringe 15:05.960 --> 15:07.180 And on the borderline 15:07.180 --> 15:07.960 And you know 15:07.960 --> 15:08.660 I kind of think 15:08.660 --> 15:09.780 Modifying and changing 15:09.780 --> 15:10.880 Your car from its default 15:10.880 --> 15:11.560 To something different 15:11.560 --> 15:12.340 Is and other people 15:12.340 --> 15:12.880 Might not 15:12.880 --> 15:14.700 However I do realize 15:14.700 --> 15:15.420 That it kind of gets 15:15.420 --> 15:16.660 A little mechanical 15:16.660 --> 15:17.900 And might not be 15:17.900 --> 15:18.520 Interest to everyone 15:18.520 --> 15:20.000 So I'm going to have 15:20.000 --> 15:20.880 One more segment 15:20.880 --> 15:21.920 On there 15:21.920 --> 15:22.680 That's probably 15:22.680 --> 15:23.660 A little bit more 15:23.660 --> 15:24.740 Appropriate 15:24.740 --> 15:26.280 Based on a couple 15:26.280 --> 15:27.060 People's ideas 15:27.060 --> 15:28.620 Of not liking the car 15:28.620 --> 15:29.280 It's going to be 15:29.280 --> 15:30.180 A little bit more technical 15:30.180 --> 15:31.400 Less mechanical in nature 15:31.400 --> 15:32.480 And I don't want to go 15:32.480 --> 15:33.400 Into too much detail 15:33.400 --> 15:34.840 On exactly what it is 15:34.840 --> 15:35.720 I'll leave it a surprise 15:35.720 --> 15:37.660 But it'll be a lot more 15:37.660 --> 15:38.220 Technical 15:38.220 --> 15:40.800 As it relates to the car 15:40.800 --> 15:41.840 As the computer 15:41.840 --> 15:42.660 And stuff like that 15:42.660 --> 15:43.360 Relates to the car 15:43.360 --> 15:44.660 So maybe that'll be 15:44.660 --> 15:45.640 A little bit more appropriate 15:45.640 --> 15:46.760 But we'll try 15:46.760 --> 15:47.420 One more segment 15:47.420 --> 15:48.380 See how that goes 15:48.380 --> 15:49.940 But also 15:49.940 --> 15:50.720 You know 15:50.720 --> 15:51.800 We are still going to 15:51.800 --> 15:52.700 Focus mostly on 15:52.700 --> 15:53.480 The computer stuff 15:53.480 --> 15:54.040 But there is going 15:54.040 --> 15:54.620 To be freaking 15:54.620 --> 15:55.540 There's going to be 15:55.540 --> 15:56.360 Urban exploration 15:56.360 --> 15:56.880 There's going to be 15:56.880 --> 15:57.520 Hardware stuff 15:57.520 --> 15:58.620 Of all different types 15:58.620 --> 16:00.260 I think if we did 16:00.260 --> 16:01.180 A 30 minute 16:01.180 --> 16:02.380 War driving every time 16:02.380 --> 16:02.940 It's going to get 16:02.940 --> 16:03.600 Pretty stale 16:03.600 --> 16:04.460 And pretty old fast 16:04.460 --> 16:05.060 So I want to mix 16:05.060 --> 16:05.580 It all up 16:05.580 --> 16:06.440 Quite a bit 16:06.440 --> 16:07.640 So that's what 16:07.640 --> 16:08.380 I'm trying to do 16:08.380 --> 16:11.260 I enjoyed it 16:11.260 --> 16:12.900 I agree with you 16:12.900 --> 16:14.300 That we shouldn't 16:14.300 --> 16:15.120 Pigeon hole hacking 16:15.120 --> 16:16.060 To just computers 16:16.060 --> 16:18.460 If yeah 16:18.460 --> 16:19.640 A segment every week 16:19.640 --> 16:20.600 On cars 16:20.600 --> 16:21.340 Yeah it might be 16:21.340 --> 16:21.860 A bit much 16:21.860 --> 16:22.240 Right 16:22.240 --> 16:23.240 But it was in 16:23.240 --> 16:23.860 The first one 16:23.860 --> 16:24.400 So I guess people 16:24.400 --> 16:25.060 Are scared that there 16:25.060 --> 16:25.620 Will be one 16:25.620 --> 16:26.640 Every single episode 16:26.640 --> 16:27.540 And that's not the case 16:27.540 --> 16:28.220 Let me assure you 16:28.220 --> 16:28.700 Don't worry 16:28.700 --> 16:29.940 There might be one 16:29.940 --> 16:30.800 Scattered here and there 16:30.800 --> 16:31.820 And there will be one 16:31.820 --> 16:32.420 In the next episode 16:32.420 --> 16:33.220 We've already started 16:33.220 --> 16:34.740 But it will be 16:34.740 --> 16:35.200 Like I said 16:35.200 --> 16:35.660 Tech related 16:35.660 --> 16:36.280 But no it's not 16:36.280 --> 16:36.780 Going to be like that 16:36.780 --> 16:37.160 Every time 16:37.160 --> 16:37.800 We want it to be 16:37.800 --> 16:38.760 Spontaneous and different 16:38.760 --> 16:39.120 So 16:39.120 --> 16:40.000 Yeah 16:40.000 --> 16:41.700 Well I'm glad he wrote in 16:41.700 --> 16:43.100 And think that he didn't like it 16:43.100 --> 16:43.580 That's good 16:43.580 --> 16:45.240 Well and it's productive 16:45.240 --> 16:46.420 That's productive criticism 16:46.420 --> 16:46.800 Not 16:46.800 --> 16:47.360 Absolutely 16:47.360 --> 16:48.680 That's good stuff right there 16:48.680 --> 16:49.040 Yeah 16:49.040 --> 16:50.820 Alright anyway 16:50.820 --> 16:52.340 A couple quick emails 16:52.340 --> 16:52.360 He's enlightened 16:52.360 --> 16:53.180 I'm sorry 16:53.180 --> 16:54.200 He's enlightened 16:54.200 --> 16:54.820 Yes 16:54.820 --> 16:56.620 A couple quick emails 16:56.620 --> 16:57.740 These are kind of follow ups 16:57.740 --> 16:59.780 To the back to back episodes 16:59.780 --> 17:00.340 With Rax 17:00.340 --> 17:01.260 We talked about some 17:01.260 --> 17:02.080 Mail issues 17:02.080 --> 17:03.640 And even last week 17:03.640 --> 17:04.560 M-A-L-E 17:04.560 --> 17:06.500 M-A-I-L 17:06.500 --> 17:07.380 Thank you very much 17:07.380 --> 17:09.720 Although I have a great 17:09.720 --> 17:10.600 I might have to put this 17:10.600 --> 17:11.380 In episode 50 17:11.380 --> 17:12.540 I made a call to 17:12.540 --> 17:13.180 Never mind 17:13.180 --> 17:14.100 We'll talk about that later 17:14.100 --> 17:15.960 Speaking of M-A-L-E 17:15.960 --> 17:18.640 We got an email 17:18.640 --> 17:19.500 From Pig Monkey 17:19.500 --> 17:21.400 Which I think 17:21.400 --> 17:21.780 Is going to 17:21.780 --> 17:22.860 I love that name 17:22.860 --> 17:23.380 Oh yeah 17:23.380 --> 17:24.140 That's a cool 17:24.140 --> 17:25.040 Original name 17:25.040 --> 17:25.580 Pig Monkey 17:25.580 --> 17:26.200 That's great 17:26.200 --> 17:27.000 That's good stuff 17:27.000 --> 17:28.640 He just drops a quick note 17:28.640 --> 17:28.900 He says 17:28.900 --> 17:29.620 Rax mentioned 17:29.620 --> 17:31.300 Hushmail on episode 42 17:31.300 --> 17:33.660 Here's a similar project 17:33.660 --> 17:34.500 Crypto Mail 17:34.500 --> 17:35.240 It's at 17:35.240 --> 17:37.540 CryptoMail.org 17:37.540 --> 17:37.920 That's 17:37.920 --> 17:39.220 C-R-Y 17:39.220 --> 17:41.300 P-T-O-M-A-I-L 17:41.300 --> 17:42.300 Dot org 17:42.300 --> 17:43.440 I think 17:43.440 --> 17:44.600 I still think 17:44.600 --> 17:45.400 Everybody should just 17:45.400 --> 17:45.700 Get a 17:45.700 --> 17:47.640 G-P-G 17:47.640 --> 17:48.200 Slash 17:48.200 --> 17:49.140 P-G-P-Key 17:49.140 --> 17:49.960 Say that fast 17:49.960 --> 17:51.140 The world would be 17:51.140 --> 17:51.980 A much happier place 17:51.980 --> 17:52.580 But that's never 17:52.580 --> 17:53.300 Going to happen 17:53.300 --> 17:55.260 So 17:55.260 --> 17:56.720 Yeah I wish that 17:56.720 --> 17:57.240 Happened well 17:57.240 --> 17:57.740 You're right 17:57.740 --> 17:58.660 Reality is 17:58.660 --> 17:59.440 It's not going to happen 17:59.440 --> 18:00.120 But thanks for the 18:00.120 --> 18:00.620 Suggestion 18:00.620 --> 18:01.820 CryptoMail.org 18:01.820 --> 18:02.380 For those of you 18:02.380 --> 18:02.860 Who want to try 18:02.860 --> 18:03.400 A couple different 18:03.400 --> 18:04.240 Webmail clients 18:04.240 --> 18:05.380 There's another one 18:05.380 --> 18:06.800 For you to check out 18:06.800 --> 18:08.940 Before you leave 18:08.940 --> 18:10.160 Monkey's email 18:10.160 --> 18:10.840 I have to thank 18:10.840 --> 18:11.280 Pig Monkey 18:11.280 --> 18:12.200 He said some great 18:12.200 --> 18:13.400 Dirt about PWF 18:13.400 --> 18:14.500 Which may come up 18:14.500 --> 18:15.460 Later in the show 18:15.460 --> 18:17.140 So thank you 18:17.140 --> 18:17.860 Very much to him 18:17.860 --> 18:18.400 And he's right 18:18.400 --> 18:19.080 Everybody should 18:19.080 --> 18:20.480 Get a G-P-G key 18:20.480 --> 18:21.440 Everybody should 18:21.440 --> 18:22.060 Use encryption 18:22.060 --> 18:23.660 Actually you can 18:23.660 --> 18:24.540 Go to Old School Freak 18:24.540 --> 18:25.580 And get mine 18:25.580 --> 18:26.240 And actually 18:26.240 --> 18:26.740 Bland 18:26.740 --> 18:28.040 Bland lost his 18:28.040 --> 18:28.620 Secret key 18:28.620 --> 18:29.700 So I'm taking 18:29.700 --> 18:30.780 His public key 18:30.780 --> 18:31.600 Down as we speak 18:31.600 --> 18:32.080 So yeah 18:32.080 --> 18:33.100 Please use 18:33.100 --> 18:33.520 Encryption 18:33.520 --> 18:35.060 If you can 18:35.060 --> 18:35.700 If you want 18:35.700 --> 18:37.180 Because you should 18:37.180 --> 18:38.120 Yeah and I 18:38.120 --> 18:38.520 You know what 18:38.520 --> 18:39.260 I have to 18:39.260 --> 18:39.960 I can't say anything 18:39.960 --> 18:40.420 About Bland 18:40.420 --> 18:41.000 Because I'm in the 18:41.000 --> 18:41.400 Same boat 18:41.400 --> 18:41.960 I end up having 18:41.960 --> 18:42.720 To remake a new 18:42.720 --> 18:43.540 Key and start over 18:43.540 --> 18:44.360 So many times 18:44.360 --> 18:44.680 That 18:44.680 --> 18:46.040 But he 18:46.040 --> 18:47.780 I don't know 18:47.780 --> 18:48.240 What happened 18:48.240 --> 18:48.760 But now 18:48.760 --> 18:49.800 Now he's 18:49.800 --> 18:50.680 Got hooked up 18:50.680 --> 18:51.480 With the USB 18:51.480 --> 18:52.180 Key drive 18:52.180 --> 18:53.260 If you know 18:53.260 --> 18:53.700 If you don't 18:53.700 --> 18:54.060 Have one 18:54.060 --> 18:54.660 Go get one 18:54.660 --> 18:55.160 Even one of 18:55.160 --> 18:55.760 The small ones 18:55.760 --> 18:56.460 And stick your 18:56.460 --> 18:57.260 Keys on there 18:57.260 --> 18:57.760 Yeah 18:57.760 --> 18:58.480 It's just the 18:58.480 --> 18:59.080 Best thing in the 18:59.080 --> 18:59.300 World 18:59.300 --> 18:59.660 Yeah 18:59.660 --> 19:00.340 Excellent 19:00.340 --> 19:01.160 Excellent suggestion 19:01.160 --> 19:01.840 Plus they're handy 19:01.840 --> 19:02.560 In so many other 19:02.560 --> 19:02.940 Ways 19:02.940 --> 19:03.840 Amen to that 19:03.840 --> 19:05.720 As a matter of 19:05.720 --> 19:06.140 Fact I'll throw 19:06.140 --> 19:06.600 In a little tip 19:06.600 --> 19:07.020 Since you brought 19:07.020 --> 19:07.260 It up 19:07.260 --> 19:08.380 Distributed.net 19:08.380 --> 19:09.020 Client baby 19:09.020 --> 19:11.120 Put it on a key 19:11.120 --> 19:11.940 Unzipped 19:11.940 --> 19:13.320 Configured with 19:13.320 --> 19:14.100 The INI file 19:14.100 --> 19:14.640 With your email 19:14.640 --> 19:15.420 Already in it 19:15.420 --> 19:15.840 So that all 19:15.840 --> 19:16.380 You gotta do 19:16.380 --> 19:17.300 Plug it in 19:17.300 --> 19:18.280 Drag the files 19:18.280 --> 19:18.620 Over 19:18.620 --> 19:19.640 And unplug 19:19.640 --> 19:20.260 And it's on 19:20.260 --> 19:20.640 The system 19:20.640 --> 19:20.940 Running 19:20.940 --> 19:21.440 Configured 19:21.440 --> 19:22.140 Ready to go 19:22.140 --> 19:22.860 Oh no kidding 19:22.860 --> 19:23.180 That's pretty 19:23.180 --> 19:24.280 Good stuff 19:24.280 --> 19:25.100 Good stuff 19:25.100 --> 19:26.440 In out 19:26.440 --> 19:27.120 30 seconds 19:27.120 --> 19:27.580 You're done 19:27.580 --> 19:27.960 Man and you 19:27.960 --> 19:28.500 Own the system 19:28.500 --> 19:28.900 You got it 19:28.900 --> 19:29.460 Plugging away 19:29.460 --> 19:30.860 I'm just 19:30.860 --> 19:31.440 You know 19:31.440 --> 19:32.540 Theoretically of course 19:32.540 --> 19:34.380 Absolutely 19:34.380 --> 19:35.380 Kiosk 19:35.380 --> 19:35.400 Kiosk 19:35.400 --> 19:35.420 Kiosk 19:35.420 --> 19:38.140 Operation Kisok Freedom 19:38.140 --> 19:39.220 You never did 19:39.220 --> 19:39.680 Fix that 19:39.680 --> 19:40.020 You know 19:40.020 --> 19:40.920 You don't even 19:40.920 --> 19:41.200 Know what I'm 19:41.200 --> 19:41.580 Talking about 19:41.580 --> 19:41.960 Do you 19:41.960 --> 19:42.860 Operate 19:42.860 --> 19:43.160 No 19:43.160 --> 19:44.020 You said 19:44.020 --> 19:44.320 In and out 19:44.320 --> 19:44.900 30 seconds 19:44.900 --> 19:45.340 I thought 19:45.340 --> 19:45.940 Never mind 19:45.940 --> 19:46.160 Yeah 19:46.160 --> 19:46.320 My 19:46.320 --> 19:49.060 Operation Kiosk Freedom 19:49.060 --> 19:49.880 The pictures 19:49.880 --> 19:50.200 The pictures I took 19:50.200 --> 19:50.960 From my cell phone 19:50.960 --> 19:51.740 My camera phone 19:51.740 --> 19:53.180 You misspelled it 19:53.180 --> 19:54.500 On the title of the page 19:54.500 --> 19:54.740 It says 19:54.740 --> 19:56.200 Operation Kiosk Freedom 19:56.200 --> 19:56.920 Really 19:56.920 --> 19:57.300 Yeah 19:57.300 --> 19:58.320 Hold on 19:58.320 --> 19:58.520 Hold on 19:58.520 --> 19:59.600 You go verify that 19:59.600 --> 20:00.640 While I go on to the next email 20:00.640 --> 20:02.120 Now see I need that kind of stuff 20:02.120 --> 20:03.180 I told you once before 20:03.180 --> 20:04.880 And I'm sure it was like in passing 20:04.880 --> 20:04.920 Oh fuck 20:04.920 --> 20:05.380 Can I remember 20:05.380 --> 20:06.740 Yeah I'm sure it was in passing 20:06.740 --> 20:07.000 And you forgot 20:07.000 --> 20:07.640 Oh I just 20:07.640 --> 20:09.000 Okay keep going 20:09.000 --> 20:11.340 Another email along the same lines 20:11.340 --> 20:12.060 From Dell 20:12.060 --> 20:13.120 D-E-L 20:13.120 --> 20:13.580 One L 20:13.580 --> 20:14.640 Not Dell Computers 20:14.640 --> 20:15.760 Says 20:15.760 --> 20:17.240 Hey I was listening to someone 20:17.240 --> 20:18.200 Who emailed you 20:18.200 --> 20:19.120 And said that 20:19.120 --> 20:20.640 Yahoo.co.uk 20:20.640 --> 20:22.360 Gives 6 megabyte 20:22.360 --> 20:23.280 Email accounts 20:23.280 --> 20:24.640 I just emailed to point out 20:24.640 --> 20:25.840 That Yahoo.ca 20:25.840 --> 20:27.480 Which is Canada I believe 20:27.480 --> 20:29.660 Also gives 6 megabyte accounts 20:29.660 --> 20:31.140 The address is even shorter 20:31.140 --> 20:32.240 Than Yahoo.com 20:32.240 --> 20:33.440 And there is more space 20:33.440 --> 20:34.400 Well 20:34.400 --> 20:35.100 Yeah 20:35.100 --> 20:36.880 One letter shorter than .com 20:36.880 --> 20:37.300 I guess 20:37.300 --> 20:38.420 If that's a bonus 20:38.420 --> 20:38.820 But 20:38.820 --> 20:40.180 It is still a good tip 20:40.180 --> 20:40.540 Nonetheless 20:40.540 --> 20:41.720 6 megabyte email 20:41.720 --> 20:42.760 Is more than they give you 20:42.760 --> 20:43.480 At Yahoo apparently 20:43.480 --> 20:44.520 From what we've been able 20:44.520 --> 20:45.060 To establish 20:45.060 --> 20:45.460 So 20:45.460 --> 20:46.420 Yeah I think that was 20:46.420 --> 20:47.280 Decoder who gave us 20:47.280 --> 20:48.020 That tip last time 20:48.020 --> 20:48.640 About the UK 20:48.640 --> 20:49.560 And CA 20:49.560 --> 20:51.260 Also another great alternative 20:51.260 --> 20:51.980 Great idea 20:51.980 --> 20:52.680 And it's in English 20:52.680 --> 20:53.740 So 20:53.740 --> 20:54.600 Good suggestions 20:54.600 --> 20:55.700 Did you hear that 20:55.700 --> 20:56.460 That tone 20:56.460 --> 20:57.300 You dropped 20:57.300 --> 20:58.020 And I heard a 20:58.020 --> 20:58.880 And I heard a tone 20:58.880 --> 20:59.520 And it wasn't 20:59.520 --> 21:01.720 It wasn't the caller ID 21:01.720 --> 21:02.540 It was 21:02.540 --> 21:03.500 Like a 21:03.500 --> 21:04.200 Very 21:04.200 --> 21:06.020 Short DTMF 21:06.020 --> 21:06.900 Did you hear that 21:06.900 --> 21:08.180 I did not hear anything 21:08.180 --> 21:08.520 No 21:08.520 --> 21:10.060 You dropped on my end 21:10.060 --> 21:10.560 And there was a 21:10.560 --> 21:10.900 Very 21:10.900 --> 21:11.360 It sounded like a 21:11.360 --> 21:11.940 Very very short 21:11.940 --> 21:12.260 DTMF 21:12.260 --> 21:13.200 Anyway sorry about that 21:13.200 --> 21:14.260 That is strange 21:14.260 --> 21:15.380 Because I didn't hear a thing 21:15.380 --> 21:15.960 And 21:15.960 --> 21:18.480 I don't have any kind of 21:18.480 --> 21:20.540 You know my broke ass 21:20.540 --> 21:21.360 I don't have any features 21:21.360 --> 21:22.220 Or anything on this call 21:22.220 --> 21:24.160 Another call 21:24.160 --> 21:24.760 Because I haven't heard anything 21:24.760 --> 21:25.140 You know I'll 21:25.140 --> 21:26.160 You know you hear the 21:26.160 --> 21:26.540 Right 21:26.540 --> 21:26.880 But 21:26.880 --> 21:28.400 Well if we've got a 21:28.400 --> 21:29.080 Fed on the line 21:29.080 --> 21:30.060 Feel free to chime in 21:30.060 --> 21:30.720 Anytime if you have 21:30.720 --> 21:31.380 Some suggestions 21:31.380 --> 21:32.240 It's weird 21:32.240 --> 21:33.720 Again another sign 21:33.720 --> 21:34.160 And 21:34.160 --> 21:36.100 Do do do do do do do do 21:36.100 --> 21:37.380 Okay so 21:37.380 --> 21:38.240 Kiosk 21:38.240 --> 21:39.200 Freedom is fixed 21:39.200 --> 21:39.820 Okay 21:39.820 --> 21:40.840 Kind of 21:40.840 --> 21:41.440 It's kind of getting 21:41.440 --> 21:42.040 Used to Kisok 21:42.040 --> 21:42.620 Freedom now 21:42.620 --> 21:44.020 Yeah and I removed 21:44.020 --> 21:45.000 Bland's public key 21:45.000 --> 21:45.620 Hopefully he'll send 21:45.620 --> 21:46.400 Another shortly 21:46.400 --> 21:47.740 Alright so 21:47.740 --> 21:48.380 Killing two birds 21:48.380 --> 21:49.200 With one stone here 21:49.200 --> 21:49.500 Right 21:49.500 --> 21:51.420 Alright and our last 21:51.420 --> 21:52.340 Email which is 21:52.340 --> 21:53.060 Great segue 21:53.060 --> 21:53.940 You mentioned it earlier 21:53.940 --> 21:54.800 And this will segue 21:54.800 --> 21:55.400 Into you 21:55.400 --> 21:56.460 Is I got an email 21:56.460 --> 21:57.500 From AlphaFlood 21:57.500 --> 21:59.080 That's a freaking 21:59.080 --> 22:00.040 Cool handle right there 22:00.040 --> 22:00.800 That is pretty cool 22:00.800 --> 22:01.360 I like that too 22:01.360 --> 22:02.460 He says 22:02.460 --> 22:03.620 Hello I live 22:03.620 --> 22:04.340 Should I mention 22:04.340 --> 22:04.860 Where he lives 22:04.860 --> 22:05.700 No 22:05.700 --> 22:06.400 No okay 22:06.400 --> 22:07.240 We'll pass on that 22:07.240 --> 22:08.900 I live in XXXX 22:08.900 --> 22:09.940 And I have a list 22:09.940 --> 22:10.760 Of my local 22:10.760 --> 22:12.300 Walmart payphone numbers 22:12.300 --> 22:12.680 Yeah 22:12.680 --> 22:14.260 The numbers are 22:14.260 --> 22:15.100 And again I won't 22:15.100 --> 22:15.920 Read those now 22:15.920 --> 22:17.360 But 22:17.360 --> 22:18.600 He says 22:18.600 --> 22:19.340 Hope that helps out 22:19.340 --> 22:19.900 With the project 22:19.900 --> 22:21.220 I was also wondering 22:21.220 --> 22:21.780 If you knew 22:21.780 --> 22:22.540 Of any freaks 22:22.540 --> 22:23.420 In my area 22:23.420 --> 22:24.380 It would be great 22:24.380 --> 22:24.900 To communicate 22:24.900 --> 22:25.720 With another freak 22:25.720 --> 22:26.240 As my cousin 22:26.240 --> 22:26.600 And myself 22:26.600 --> 22:27.560 Are the only freaks 22:27.560 --> 22:28.340 In town 22:28.340 --> 22:29.240 Thanks a bunch 22:29.240 --> 22:30.480 Oh well you go to 22:30.480 --> 22:34.640 Freaklist.cjb.net 22:34.640 --> 22:35.740 Is it net? 22:35.880 --> 22:36.580 Hold on let me 22:36.580 --> 22:37.340 Yeah I think it's 22:37.340 --> 22:38.060 Cjb.net 22:38.060 --> 22:38.780 I'm not positive 22:38.780 --> 22:39.760 Freaklist 22:39.760 --> 22:43.940 Not cjb.net 22:43.940 --> 22:46.220 Not found 22:46.220 --> 22:47.500 I swear that was it 22:47.500 --> 22:48.080 Hmm 22:48.080 --> 22:49.400 If somebody had 22:49.400 --> 22:49.880 A list 22:49.880 --> 22:50.800 Just for that reason 22:50.800 --> 22:51.280 Just to 22:51.280 --> 22:51.520 You know 22:51.520 --> 22:52.400 To put freaks together 22:52.400 --> 22:53.280 But go to 22:53.280 --> 22:53.760 Freaks and Geeks 22:53.760 --> 22:54.040 Forum 22:54.040 --> 22:54.860 You'll hook up 22:54.860 --> 22:55.100 With somebody 22:55.100 --> 22:55.400 Exactly 22:55.400 --> 22:56.640 Freaksandgeeks.com 22:56.640 --> 22:57.560 Or the Freaks and Geeks 22:57.560 --> 22:58.220 Forum of course 22:58.220 --> 22:58.660 Which is linked 22:58.660 --> 22:59.100 From there 22:59.100 --> 22:59.640 Yeah 22:59.640 --> 23:00.380 And actually 23:00.380 --> 23:00.840 There's a really 23:00.840 --> 23:01.760 Long thread of people 23:01.760 --> 23:02.160 Out there 23:02.160 --> 23:03.000 Sharing their MPA 23:03.000 --> 23:03.580 You know 23:03.580 --> 23:04.140 Finding out 23:04.140 --> 23:04.400 That they 23:04.400 --> 23:05.400 You think 23:05.400 --> 23:05.800 You're the only 23:05.800 --> 23:06.660 Two freaks in town 23:06.660 --> 23:07.260 But there's 23:07.260 --> 23:07.880 Probably more 23:07.880 --> 23:08.420 Yeah 23:08.420 --> 23:08.800 Systematic 23:08.800 --> 23:09.640 Hooking up with them 23:09.640 --> 23:09.920 So 23:09.920 --> 23:10.640 Hey 23:10.640 --> 23:12.640 Maybe the 2600 23:12.640 --> 23:12.960 Meeting 23:12.960 --> 23:13.740 Hey 23:13.740 --> 23:14.400 If you got one 23:14.400 --> 23:14.720 Or if you can 23:14.720 --> 23:15.280 Find one nearby 23:15.280 --> 23:15.980 Maybe that's the way 23:15.980 --> 23:16.240 To go 23:16.240 --> 23:17.100 Well thank you 23:17.100 --> 23:18.020 For the payphone numbers 23:18.020 --> 23:19.160 Thank you very much 23:19.160 --> 23:19.620 I've actually 23:19.620 --> 23:20.020 Again 23:20.020 --> 23:20.900 Pigmonkey sent in 23:20.900 --> 23:21.640 Some good dirt 23:21.640 --> 23:21.900 Man 23:21.900 --> 23:22.460 We've been 23:22.460 --> 23:23.780 Looking into the 23:23.780 --> 23:24.960 RFID more and more 23:24.960 --> 23:26.440 Yeah 23:26.440 --> 23:27.460 It's hard to get 23:27.460 --> 23:28.560 Real concrete stuff 23:28.560 --> 23:29.100 But you know 23:29.100 --> 23:30.240 Sometimes you get 23:30.240 --> 23:31.040 That good insider 23:31.040 --> 23:31.880 Piece of info 23:31.880 --> 23:32.640 And we've got that 23:32.640 --> 23:32.860 So 23:32.860 --> 23:34.140 And also 23:34.140 --> 23:34.480 Somebody 23:34.480 --> 23:35.300 Somebody else 23:35.300 --> 23:36.140 Sent in some numbers 23:36.140 --> 23:37.240 And thank you 23:37.240 --> 23:37.620 To them 23:37.620 --> 23:37.860 That's why 23:37.860 --> 23:38.540 Man 23:38.540 --> 23:38.960 I forgot their 23:38.960 --> 23:39.220 Handle 23:39.220 --> 23:39.480 But 23:39.480 --> 23:40.600 I don't know 23:40.600 --> 23:40.960 If they sent 23:40.960 --> 23:41.560 Numbers 23:41.560 --> 23:42.300 Or 23:42.300 --> 23:43.680 Payphone numbers 23:43.680 --> 23:44.280 Or just the 23:44.280 --> 23:44.760 Numbers to the 23:44.760 --> 23:45.020 Stores 23:45.020 --> 23:45.480 We don't need 23:45.480 --> 23:46.080 Numbers to the 23:46.080 --> 23:46.300 Stores 23:46.300 --> 23:46.660 You can get 23:46.660 --> 23:47.020 That on 23:47.020 --> 23:47.340 You know 23:47.340 --> 23:47.640 From your 23:47.640 --> 23:48.040 Phone book 23:48.040 --> 23:48.440 They're listed 23:48.440 --> 23:48.800 You can get 23:48.800 --> 23:49.760 It on their 23:49.760 --> 23:50.300 Website 23:50.300 --> 23:51.300 We want the 23:51.300 --> 23:51.900 Payphone numbers 23:51.900 --> 23:52.340 Things that you 23:52.340 --> 23:52.740 Can't just 23:52.740 --> 23:53.300 And yeah 23:53.300 --> 23:53.760 What can you do 23:53.760 --> 23:54.080 With them 23:54.080 --> 23:54.760 I don't know 23:54.760 --> 23:55.680 You can call up 23:55.680 --> 23:56.360 And have fun 23:56.360 --> 23:56.940 With people there 23:56.940 --> 23:57.300 There's usually 23:57.300 --> 23:58.000 Some very unique 23:58.000 --> 23:58.780 People shopping 23:58.780 --> 23:59.180 At Walmart 23:59.180 --> 23:59.980 That actually answer 23:59.980 --> 24:00.400 The phones 24:00.400 --> 24:00.960 And it's actually 24:00.960 --> 24:01.620 Rather fun 24:01.620 --> 24:01.880 So 24:01.880 --> 24:03.160 That's one thing 24:03.160 --> 24:03.600 You can do 24:03.600 --> 24:04.200 And otherwise 24:04.200 --> 24:05.140 It's just 24:05.140 --> 24:05.600 I don't know 24:05.600 --> 24:05.900 I don't know 24:05.900 --> 24:06.500 If it's a show 24:06.500 --> 24:07.120 Of power 24:07.120 --> 24:07.540 You know 24:07.540 --> 24:08.620 It's a show 24:08.620 --> 24:09.840 Of not power 24:09.840 --> 24:10.360 But you know 24:10.360 --> 24:11.000 I don't know 24:11.000 --> 24:12.460 It's a demonstration 24:12.460 --> 24:13.960 That you know 24:13.960 --> 24:14.840 Yeah you're this 24:14.840 --> 24:17.340 250 billion dollar 24:17.340 --> 24:17.860 Company 24:17.860 --> 24:19.060 You know 24:19.060 --> 24:21.840 You know what 24:21.840 --> 24:22.300 I just had 24:22.300 --> 24:23.280 A little brainstorm 24:23.280 --> 24:24.080 I just had an idea 24:24.080 --> 24:24.620 Right 24:24.620 --> 24:25.460 We've already got 24:25.460 --> 24:26.380 Plans and ideas 24:26.380 --> 24:27.280 For episode 50 24:27.280 --> 24:27.940 But I'm thinking 24:27.940 --> 24:28.860 Maybe ahead 24:28.860 --> 24:30.400 A future special episode 24:30.400 --> 24:31.940 Of all 24:31.940 --> 24:32.140 Of 24:32.140 --> 24:33.380 We'll call it 24:33.380 --> 24:33.820 The Project 24:33.820 --> 24:34.440 Walmart Freedom 24:34.440 --> 24:34.840 Episode 24:34.840 --> 24:36.180 Calling the payphones 24:36.180 --> 24:36.660 And seeing what 24:36.660 --> 24:37.120 Kind of interesting 24:37.120 --> 24:38.120 People and conversations 24:38.120 --> 24:38.800 We can have 24:38.800 --> 24:39.400 And have them 24:39.400 --> 24:40.840 As special guest hosts 24:40.840 --> 24:41.260 On the show 24:41.260 --> 24:41.740 For a few minutes 24:41.740 --> 24:42.080 That's going to be 24:42.080 --> 24:43.540 A lot of episode 79 24:43.540 --> 24:45.020 Or is it 79 24:45.020 --> 24:45.960 77, 76 24:45.960 --> 24:46.400 What is it 24:46.400 --> 24:46.740 There's a 24:46.740 --> 24:48.140 Celebrated Freak America 24:48.140 --> 24:48.600 That's missing 24:48.600 --> 24:49.440 We were going to do that 24:49.440 --> 24:51.160 Oh the hidden episode 24:51.160 --> 24:52.240 Alright well 24:52.240 --> 24:53.460 Yeah it's number 76 24:53.460 --> 24:54.360 The lost episode 24:54.360 --> 24:55.020 We're going to do 24:55.020 --> 24:55.700 A lot of phone calls 24:55.700 --> 24:56.120 And it's going to 24:56.120 --> 24:57.300 Probably be a lot of 24:57.300 --> 24:58.080 PWF numbers 24:58.080 --> 24:58.940 I didn't mean to ruin 24:58.940 --> 24:59.540 The damn it 24:59.540 --> 25:00.320 Now I just let the cat 25:00.320 --> 25:00.900 Out of the bag 25:00.900 --> 25:02.160 That's okay 25:02.160 --> 25:02.740 It might be a lot of 25:02.740 --> 25:03.040 Other stuff 25:03.040 --> 25:04.100 But those are usually 25:04.100 --> 25:05.460 Really juicy 25:05.460 --> 25:06.180 Payphone numbers 25:06.180 --> 25:07.080 If you want them 25:07.080 --> 25:07.560 To pay off 25:07.560 --> 25:08.980 So what it is 25:08.980 --> 25:09.580 Yeah you're right 25:09.580 --> 25:10.640 So what can you do 25:10.640 --> 25:11.340 With that big ass list 25:11.340 --> 25:12.980 Well maybe nothing 25:12.980 --> 25:13.900 But it's more than 25:13.900 --> 25:14.700 Just a list of 25:14.700 --> 25:15.780 Numbers 25:15.780 --> 25:16.780 It's hackers 25:16.780 --> 25:18.460 It's hackers 25:18.460 --> 25:20.320 It's people who love 25:20.320 --> 25:20.860 Technology 25:20.860 --> 25:23.740 People who care about 25:23.740 --> 25:24.380 What corporations 25:24.380 --> 25:25.020 Are doing to their 25:25.020 --> 25:25.620 Communities 25:25.620 --> 25:26.840 Banding together 25:26.840 --> 25:27.100 Right 25:27.100 --> 25:27.920 We're talking about 25:27.920 --> 25:29.380 All over the 25:29.380 --> 25:31.720 North American continent 25:31.720 --> 25:32.320 All over the 25:32.320 --> 25:32.520 U.S. 25:32.600 --> 25:32.880 Canada 25:32.880 --> 25:34.020 People who go 25:34.020 --> 25:34.860 To South America 25:34.860 --> 25:35.420 And get numbers 25:35.420 --> 25:36.440 There for crying out loud 25:36.440 --> 25:38.680 And showing that 25:38.680 --> 25:39.180 Hey man 25:39.180 --> 25:39.520 You're just 25:39.520 --> 25:40.460 You're just another 25:40.460 --> 25:42.140 You're just another 25:42.140 --> 25:42.680 Corporation 25:42.680 --> 25:43.280 You're just another 25:43.280 --> 25:43.660 Business 25:43.660 --> 25:45.060 You do not have 25:45.060 --> 25:45.780 More power 25:45.780 --> 25:47.520 Than me 25:47.520 --> 25:48.500 Than my community 25:48.500 --> 25:49.540 We can tell you 25:49.540 --> 25:50.720 No we don't want you here 25:50.720 --> 25:51.560 And that's 25:51.560 --> 25:52.100 That's what that's 25:52.100 --> 25:52.820 Supposed to mean 25:52.820 --> 25:53.320 And I'm 25:53.320 --> 25:54.140 You know probably 25:54.140 --> 25:56.180 I'm probably making 25:56.180 --> 25:56.720 No sense 25:56.720 --> 25:57.860 And people probably 25:57.860 --> 25:58.400 Don't see it 25:58.400 --> 25:59.520 But that's kind of 25:59.520 --> 26:00.020 What it is 26:00.020 --> 26:01.280 A little overly dramatic 26:01.280 --> 26:03.100 Yeah well you know 26:03.100 --> 26:06.060 We 26:06.060 --> 26:06.660 We 26:06.660 --> 26:07.640 You know what 26:07.640 --> 26:08.320 Can I 26:08.320 --> 26:09.100 Can I break in 26:09.100 --> 26:10.120 By all means 26:10.120 --> 26:11.060 I know how much 26:11.060 --> 26:11.700 You're dying to 26:11.700 --> 26:12.740 Okay 26:12.740 --> 26:13.500 No no no 26:13.500 --> 26:14.080 I'm not dying to 26:14.080 --> 26:14.640 No man 26:14.640 --> 26:15.340 Your show 26:15.340 --> 26:15.720 Let's all 26:15.720 --> 26:16.400 No 26:16.400 --> 26:18.100 But 26:18.100 --> 26:20.740 You hate Walmart 26:20.740 --> 26:21.400 We got it 26:21.400 --> 26:22.080 No no no 26:22.080 --> 26:22.640 It's not 26:22.640 --> 26:23.120 It's not what 26:23.120 --> 26:23.820 I'm bringing up at all 26:23.820 --> 26:24.200 Oh okay 26:24.200 --> 26:25.120 Not what I'm bringing up at all 26:25.120 --> 26:25.660 Okay go 26:25.660 --> 26:27.040 You said there's 26:27.040 --> 26:27.880 There's much drama 26:27.880 --> 26:28.660 Right there's 26:28.660 --> 26:29.480 There's much drama 26:29.480 --> 26:30.180 In the community 26:30.180 --> 26:30.940 Blah blah blah 26:30.940 --> 26:31.680 Well I'm just joking 26:31.680 --> 26:32.480 With you of course 26:32.480 --> 26:33.480 I know absolutely 26:33.480 --> 26:33.900 Absolutely 26:33.900 --> 26:34.400 But you know 26:34.400 --> 26:35.040 There kind of is 26:35.040 --> 26:35.800 And you know what 26:35.800 --> 26:37.340 It seems to me 26:37.340 --> 26:38.060 And I've 26:38.060 --> 26:38.800 You know I've kind of just 26:38.800 --> 26:39.340 You know 26:39.340 --> 26:40.080 Stayed back 26:40.080 --> 26:40.620 And enjoying 26:40.620 --> 26:41.980 Everything that everybody's doing 26:41.980 --> 26:42.280 You know 26:42.280 --> 26:43.240 Having a good time 26:43.240 --> 26:44.340 And 26:44.340 --> 26:46.080 You know 26:46.080 --> 26:46.920 And there are people 26:46.920 --> 26:47.880 That are into drama 26:47.880 --> 26:49.000 And they you know 26:49.000 --> 26:50.200 Type a lot of things 26:50.200 --> 26:50.620 And well 26:50.620 --> 26:52.340 Let's just not lose our focus 26:52.340 --> 26:53.240 Right 26:53.240 --> 26:54.520 Let's have a purpose 26:54.520 --> 26:55.960 And 26:55.960 --> 26:56.040 And 26:56.040 --> 26:57.740 First and foremost 26:57.740 --> 26:59.340 Learning and sharing 26:59.340 --> 27:01.080 And 27:01.080 --> 27:02.000 And also possibly 27:02.000 --> 27:02.760 To use 27:02.760 --> 27:03.880 Our love for technology 27:03.880 --> 27:04.540 And what we've learned 27:04.540 --> 27:05.320 About technology 27:05.320 --> 27:06.320 And even if it is 27:06.320 --> 27:06.920 Just collecting 27:06.920 --> 27:08.500 Massive amounts 27:08.500 --> 27:09.600 Of a certain type of 27:09.600 --> 27:11.860 Probably useless information 27:11.860 --> 27:12.920 Into 27:12.920 --> 27:14.540 A purpose 27:14.540 --> 27:15.340 Focusing that 27:15.340 --> 27:16.080 Into a purpose 27:16.080 --> 27:18.600 Yeah 27:18.600 --> 27:18.920 And 27:18.920 --> 27:19.860 And it may be 27:19.860 --> 27:20.660 Showing corporations 27:20.660 --> 27:21.680 That well you know 27:21.680 --> 27:22.800 You are just 27:22.800 --> 27:23.860 You are just 27:23.860 --> 27:24.340 An entity 27:24.340 --> 27:25.640 That does not have 27:25.640 --> 27:26.900 The power 27:26.900 --> 27:28.320 That even one citizen does 27:28.320 --> 27:29.100 Right 27:29.100 --> 27:29.980 And here's why 27:29.980 --> 27:30.840 Because I can band 27:30.840 --> 27:31.500 Citizens together 27:31.500 --> 27:32.160 All over the world 27:32.160 --> 27:33.320 And collect these people 27:33.320 --> 27:35.540 And it's 27:35.540 --> 27:36.240 I know it's small 27:36.240 --> 27:36.660 And symbolic 27:36.660 --> 27:37.760 And I'm probably an idiot 27:37.760 --> 27:38.300 But whatever 27:38.300 --> 27:38.760 It's 27:38.760 --> 27:39.780 That's 27:39.780 --> 27:40.780 We need to make sure 27:40.780 --> 27:41.280 As a community 27:41.280 --> 27:42.280 We do not lose focus 27:42.280 --> 27:42.660 That we 27:42.660 --> 27:43.800 That we care more 27:43.800 --> 27:44.800 About what we're doing 27:44.800 --> 27:45.280 About 27:45.280 --> 27:47.340 Learning 27:47.340 --> 27:48.020 And sharing 27:48.020 --> 27:49.200 And using 27:49.200 --> 27:50.100 What we know 27:50.100 --> 27:50.960 About technology 27:50.960 --> 27:52.700 To affect 27:52.700 --> 27:53.540 A positive end 27:53.540 --> 27:54.480 To some type 27:54.480 --> 27:55.580 Of crusade 27:55.580 --> 27:56.840 And then 27:56.840 --> 27:57.560 Make sure 27:57.560 --> 27:58.660 We continue to do it 27:58.660 --> 28:00.300 Yeah 28:00.300 --> 28:00.700 And you know 28:00.700 --> 28:01.120 I think 28:01.120 --> 28:01.780 You know 28:01.780 --> 28:02.400 We use the word 28:02.400 --> 28:03.220 Community a lot 28:03.220 --> 28:04.400 Because we believe in it 28:04.400 --> 28:04.880 Right 28:04.880 --> 28:05.260 You know 28:05.260 --> 28:05.980 And I do believe 28:05.980 --> 28:07.060 The majority of the community 28:07.060 --> 28:07.900 Does get it 28:07.900 --> 28:09.720 And does do positive things 28:09.720 --> 28:11.600 And tries to do positive things 28:11.600 --> 28:11.940 Anyway 28:11.940 --> 28:13.580 And I think it's just 28:13.580 --> 28:13.860 You know 28:13.860 --> 28:14.800 There's those few bad apples 28:14.800 --> 28:16.240 That are louder 28:16.240 --> 28:16.860 And more vocal 28:16.860 --> 28:17.420 I guess 28:17.420 --> 28:18.020 Yeah 28:18.020 --> 28:18.900 You know what I said 28:18.900 --> 28:19.640 To those motherfuckers 28:19.640 --> 28:20.500 Publish bitch 28:20.500 --> 28:21.320 Yeah right 28:21.320 --> 28:22.700 I'm Rick James bitch 28:22.700 --> 28:23.100 Write 28:23.100 --> 28:24.760 Because guess what 28:24.760 --> 28:25.620 Guess what's respected 28:25.620 --> 28:27.000 In our community 28:27.000 --> 28:27.800 Guess what's respected 28:27.800 --> 28:28.520 In academia 28:28.520 --> 28:29.360 Guess what's respected 28:29.360 --> 28:31.280 In the corporate world 28:31.280 --> 28:32.180 Publishing 28:32.180 --> 28:33.320 Right 28:33.320 --> 28:34.240 Shut up 28:34.240 --> 28:34.760 And write 28:34.760 --> 28:35.960 That's what I gotta say 28:35.960 --> 28:36.760 And write 28:36.760 --> 28:37.680 Write articles 28:37.680 --> 28:38.420 Write code 28:38.420 --> 28:39.260 Write information 28:39.260 --> 28:40.440 Write worthwhile posts 28:40.440 --> 28:40.960 And forums 28:40.960 --> 28:42.280 As small as that can be 28:42.280 --> 28:44.100 Write film clips 28:44.100 --> 28:45.440 Do your own radio shows 28:45.440 --> 28:46.100 There's so many 28:46.100 --> 28:47.920 Positive things 28:47.920 --> 28:48.680 Right 28:48.680 --> 28:49.300 So you know 28:49.300 --> 28:49.720 It's like 28:49.720 --> 28:51.040 For the most part 28:51.040 --> 28:51.500 I think 28:51.500 --> 28:52.300 I'm pretty proud 28:52.300 --> 28:52.800 I've stayed out 28:52.800 --> 28:53.480 Of a lot of this stuff 28:53.480 --> 28:54.720 I occasionally pop in there 28:54.720 --> 28:55.720 To try to set things straight 28:55.720 --> 28:56.400 But for the most part 28:56.400 --> 28:56.780 I'm like 28:56.780 --> 28:57.740 You know what 28:57.740 --> 28:59.200 I have better things to do 28:59.200 --> 29:00.960 There's only so many hours 29:00.960 --> 29:01.340 In the day 29:01.340 --> 29:02.420 And I like to try 29:02.420 --> 29:03.420 To stay as positive 29:03.420 --> 29:04.020 As possible 29:04.020 --> 29:04.780 And as progressive 29:04.780 --> 29:06.380 And get things accomplished 29:06.380 --> 29:06.720 And 29:06.720 --> 29:08.300 Crying doesn't really 29:08.300 --> 29:09.440 Accomplish a whole lot 29:09.440 --> 29:10.540 You know 29:10.540 --> 29:11.380 Whining doesn't really 29:11.380 --> 29:12.080 Get much done 29:12.080 --> 29:14.140 See I didn't 29:14.140 --> 29:15.140 Freaking rant about 29:15.140 --> 29:15.580 Walmart 29:15.580 --> 29:16.500 Well no 29:16.500 --> 29:17.820 Something I thought 29:17.820 --> 29:18.880 That was beautiful 29:18.880 --> 29:19.160 Mike 29:19.160 --> 29:20.300 I wanted to 29:20.300 --> 29:21.040 I wanted to say 29:21.040 --> 29:21.860 I love you Mike 29:21.860 --> 29:24.520 Well as long as 29:24.520 --> 29:24.720 We're 29:24.720 --> 29:25.580 That's a good segue 29:25.580 --> 29:26.000 We're into 29:26.000 --> 29:27.080 The show and tell 29:27.080 --> 29:27.240 Here 29:27.240 --> 29:27.960 The personal hacking 29:27.960 --> 29:28.660 Anything you wanted 29:28.660 --> 29:29.680 To talk about recently 29:29.680 --> 29:30.420 I actually 29:30.420 --> 29:31.500 I don't want to 29:31.500 --> 29:32.980 Put you into 29:32.980 --> 29:34.360 What to talk about 29:34.360 --> 29:35.440 But do you want 29:35.440 --> 29:36.020 To talk about 29:36.020 --> 29:37.140 HPR 29:37.140 --> 29:39.580 Hack or public radio 29:39.580 --> 29:40.180 Yeah 29:40.180 --> 29:40.640 Yeah 29:40.640 --> 29:41.540 Well 29:41.540 --> 29:42.640 You said they're 29:42.640 --> 29:43.400 Only because 29:43.400 --> 29:45.040 I'm just concerned 29:45.040 --> 29:45.980 I've seen some posts 29:45.980 --> 29:46.460 And some people 29:46.460 --> 29:47.480 Wondering and asking about 29:47.480 --> 29:47.920 I thought maybe 29:47.920 --> 29:48.240 You could just 29:48.240 --> 29:48.920 Kind of set it straight 29:48.920 --> 29:50.240 As far as 29:50.240 --> 29:51.540 A what it is 29:51.540 --> 29:52.320 When it is 29:52.320 --> 29:52.960 Not as far as 29:52.960 --> 29:54.060 A specific time frame 29:54.060 --> 29:54.600 But you know 29:54.600 --> 29:55.620 Like let people 29:55.620 --> 29:56.400 Know what to expect 29:56.400 --> 29:57.020 Because I'm not sure 29:57.020 --> 29:58.220 That people realize 29:58.220 --> 30:00.080 Your vision for it 30:00.080 --> 30:00.900 And what you 30:00.900 --> 30:02.160 Are thinking of 30:02.160 --> 30:02.800 Doing with it 30:02.800 --> 30:03.320 And frankly 30:03.320 --> 30:03.840 I want to make sure 30:03.840 --> 30:04.660 I'm you know 30:04.660 --> 30:05.240 Down with it 30:05.240 --> 30:05.760 Because I think 30:05.760 --> 30:06.380 It's very cool 30:06.380 --> 30:07.000 What you're going with 30:07.000 --> 30:07.400 I just thought 30:07.400 --> 30:07.880 Maybe it'd be 30:07.880 --> 30:08.760 A good opportunity 30:08.760 --> 30:09.660 To clarify it 30:09.660 --> 30:10.080 Okay 30:10.080 --> 30:11.500 I will tell everyone 30:11.500 --> 30:12.520 What it's going to be 30:12.520 --> 30:14.060 I will tell everyone 30:14.060 --> 30:14.640 The status 30:14.640 --> 30:15.420 And then I will 30:15.420 --> 30:16.360 Go ahead and give 30:16.360 --> 30:17.680 A few of the 30:17.680 --> 30:18.900 Possible show topics 30:18.920 --> 30:20.140 Which I was going to 30:20.140 --> 30:20.400 You know 30:20.400 --> 30:21.320 Keep in my back pocket 30:21.320 --> 30:21.940 So first 30:21.940 --> 30:25.140 The show 30:25.140 --> 30:26.720 HPR Hacker Public Radio 30:26.720 --> 30:27.460 Will be more 30:27.460 --> 30:28.400 It will not be 30:28.400 --> 30:29.080 A weekly show 30:29.080 --> 30:30.020 It will be 30:30.020 --> 30:31.320 Whenever we get around 30:31.320 --> 30:32.180 To making a show 30:32.180 --> 30:33.180 It will be a good one 30:33.180 --> 30:34.420 It will be more like 30:34.420 --> 30:35.840 A well written piece 30:35.840 --> 30:36.400 You would hear 30:36.400 --> 30:37.660 On NPR 30:37.660 --> 30:38.440 And public radio 30:38.440 --> 30:39.940 It will be 30:39.940 --> 30:41.080 It will focus 30:41.080 --> 30:41.880 On one topic 30:41.880 --> 30:42.700 There will be 30:42.700 --> 30:43.660 No time limit 30:43.660 --> 30:47.320 And hopefully 30:47.320 --> 30:47.760 It will be 30:47.760 --> 30:48.880 Of higher audio 30:48.880 --> 30:49.880 Quality 30:49.880 --> 30:53.300 And again 30:53.300 --> 30:53.700 Also 30:53.700 --> 30:55.140 Of better 30:55.140 --> 30:55.680 Written 30:55.680 --> 30:58.840 The quality 30:58.840 --> 31:00.020 Of the show 31:00.020 --> 31:01.140 Itself 31:01.140 --> 31:02.680 Alright 31:02.680 --> 31:03.340 Let me put it 31:03.340 --> 31:03.660 This way 31:03.660 --> 31:04.600 We could take 31:04.600 --> 31:05.320 The show notes 31:05.320 --> 31:06.080 To the show 31:06.080 --> 31:07.040 Or a transcript 31:07.040 --> 31:07.840 Of the show 31:07.840 --> 31:08.620 And it would make 31:08.620 --> 31:09.520 An excellent article 31:09.520 --> 31:10.720 Yeah 31:10.720 --> 31:11.260 Actually 31:11.260 --> 31:11.940 That would be 31:11.940 --> 31:12.400 Very cool 31:12.400 --> 31:13.100 That's a good idea 31:13.100 --> 31:13.560 I like that 31:13.560 --> 31:13.780 Yeah 31:13.780 --> 31:14.460 That's probably 31:14.460 --> 31:14.900 The best way 31:14.900 --> 31:15.420 To put that 31:15.420 --> 31:17.780 So there's 31:17.780 --> 31:19.180 What the show is 31:19.180 --> 31:19.540 And again 31:19.540 --> 31:20.260 It's not weekly 31:20.260 --> 31:21.200 It's just whenever 31:21.200 --> 31:22.440 Here's the status 31:22.440 --> 31:24.440 Everything set up 31:24.440 --> 31:27.160 Well I shouldn't say that 31:27.160 --> 31:28.060 Nothing set up 31:28.060 --> 31:28.760 No no no 31:28.760 --> 31:30.640 I've got the computer 31:30.640 --> 31:31.300 Set up right 31:31.300 --> 31:31.820 The boxes 31:31.820 --> 31:32.520 They're set up 31:32.520 --> 31:33.100 To do the show 31:33.100 --> 31:33.600 Now I'm looking 31:33.600 --> 31:34.420 At the audio hardware 31:34.420 --> 31:35.980 I have a card 31:35.980 --> 31:38.320 I bought a card 31:38.320 --> 31:39.360 And a sound card 31:39.360 --> 31:39.740 And it's just 31:39.740 --> 31:40.460 Really bad 31:40.460 --> 31:41.240 It's a Philips 31:41.240 --> 31:41.840 And it's just 31:41.840 --> 31:42.400 I'm really 31:42.400 --> 31:43.260 Really displeased 31:43.260 --> 31:44.060 So I thought 31:44.060 --> 31:44.740 It would have been 31:44.740 --> 31:45.100 A nice 31:45.100 --> 31:45.600 It would have been 31:45.600 --> 31:45.860 A good 31:45.860 --> 31:47.220 High quality 31:47.220 --> 31:47.840 Audio card 31:47.840 --> 31:48.340 But it's not 31:48.340 --> 31:48.760 So I 31:48.760 --> 31:50.440 I need hardware 31:50.440 --> 31:51.040 I need a good 31:51.040 --> 31:51.640 Sound card 31:51.640 --> 31:52.540 I need a board 31:52.540 --> 31:53.320 Mics 31:53.320 --> 31:54.160 Things like that 31:54.160 --> 31:55.240 So it's a little 31:55.240 --> 31:56.160 Slow because of 31:56.160 --> 31:57.120 Basically well money 31:57.120 --> 31:57.400 So 31:57.400 --> 31:58.680 But that 31:58.680 --> 31:59.300 That will come 31:59.300 --> 32:01.040 Money's not an issue 32:01.040 --> 32:04.580 That's basically 32:04.580 --> 32:05.320 The status of the show 32:05.320 --> 32:05.880 Once we get the 32:05.880 --> 32:06.420 Hardware together 32:06.420 --> 32:06.960 And make sure 32:06.960 --> 32:08.040 That everything works well 32:08.040 --> 32:09.880 Then we'll start 32:09.880 --> 32:10.360 Recording 32:10.360 --> 32:11.500 Here are some topics 32:11.500 --> 32:12.340 And I 32:12.340 --> 32:13.780 Was holding them 32:13.780 --> 32:14.120 Close 32:14.120 --> 32:15.000 But I figured 32:15.000 --> 32:15.680 Might as well 32:15.680 --> 32:16.400 Bring them out 32:16.400 --> 32:17.000 Now here are some 32:17.000 --> 32:17.660 Things that we've 32:17.660 --> 32:19.780 We're talking about 32:19.780 --> 32:20.260 And hopefully 32:20.260 --> 32:21.720 Will come to fruition 32:21.720 --> 32:23.300 First 32:23.300 --> 32:24.500 And we're hoping 32:24.500 --> 32:25.040 This will be 32:25.040 --> 32:26.500 You know 32:26.500 --> 32:27.500 A great first episode 32:27.500 --> 32:28.260 And I'm sure it will 32:28.260 --> 32:29.780 International Freaking 32:29.780 --> 32:31.200 Featuring 32:31.200 --> 32:31.960 Brisketivo 32:31.960 --> 32:33.580 So that's 32:33.580 --> 32:34.440 You know 32:34.440 --> 32:35.280 I haven't talked to him 32:35.280 --> 32:35.480 In a while 32:35.480 --> 32:35.960 Because well 32:35.960 --> 32:36.520 We haven't 32:36.520 --> 32:36.860 You know 32:36.860 --> 32:38.140 Haven't been ready 32:38.140 --> 32:38.900 To do this show 32:38.900 --> 32:39.200 But 32:39.200 --> 32:41.220 When I talked to him 32:41.220 --> 32:41.960 Quite some time ago 32:41.960 --> 32:42.260 We 32:42.260 --> 32:43.120 Email 32:43.120 --> 32:45.000 He seemed interested 32:45.000 --> 32:45.520 So hopefully 32:45.520 --> 32:46.540 We can still do that 32:46.540 --> 32:47.720 Next we're looking 32:47.720 --> 32:48.300 At a hardware 32:48.300 --> 32:49.000 Hacking show 32:49.000 --> 32:49.560 With Logic 32:49.560 --> 32:50.700 Logic is big time 32:50.700 --> 32:51.700 Into hardware hacking 32:51.700 --> 32:52.860 Yeah very much 32:52.860 --> 32:53.940 Yeah so 32:53.940 --> 32:55.240 That's another episode 32:55.240 --> 32:56.100 Also 32:56.100 --> 32:57.820 I live in Albuquerque 32:57.820 --> 32:58.240 New Mexico 32:58.240 --> 32:59.180 Guess who's here 32:59.180 --> 33:00.340 That's right 33:00.340 --> 33:00.960 The CEO 33:00.960 --> 33:01.400 President 33:01.400 --> 33:02.060 Chief Architect 33:02.060 --> 33:03.040 Of Gen2 Linux 33:03.040 --> 33:04.280 Daniel Robbins 33:04.280 --> 33:05.020 He lives here 33:05.020 --> 33:05.820 So 33:05.820 --> 33:07.560 I don't think 33:07.560 --> 33:08.420 It'd be too hard 33:08.420 --> 33:09.320 For me to track him down 33:09.320 --> 33:10.000 And get an interview 33:10.000 --> 33:10.940 Yeah see 33:10.940 --> 33:12.300 That's the other cool thing 33:12.300 --> 33:13.260 I'm glad you pointed out 33:13.260 --> 33:14.200 And that is the fact 33:14.200 --> 33:14.440 That 33:14.440 --> 33:15.440 You're going to have 33:15.440 --> 33:15.920 The topics 33:15.920 --> 33:16.520 But you're also 33:16.520 --> 33:17.340 Going to have people 33:17.340 --> 33:19.340 Who are very close 33:19.340 --> 33:20.280 And have experience 33:20.280 --> 33:21.320 And can speak 33:21.320 --> 33:23.140 Very very intelligently 33:23.140 --> 33:24.060 In a round table 33:24.060 --> 33:24.580 Discussion 33:24.580 --> 33:25.600 Question and answer 33:25.600 --> 33:27.840 About those specific topics 33:27.840 --> 33:28.440 Exactly 33:28.440 --> 33:29.020 Because 33:29.020 --> 33:30.280 That's what makes it special 33:30.280 --> 33:31.260 Right we're talking 33:31.260 --> 33:32.120 Experts here 33:32.120 --> 33:33.220 I mean that's 33:33.220 --> 33:33.780 People want to 33:33.780 --> 33:34.720 People want to hear experts 33:34.720 --> 33:35.240 And I'm 33:35.240 --> 33:36.560 I'm an expert in no field 33:36.560 --> 33:40.200 So these people are 33:40.200 --> 33:41.180 So those 33:41.180 --> 33:42.340 Those are a few topics 33:42.340 --> 33:43.000 And we're looking at 33:43.000 --> 33:43.960 Other topics as well 33:43.960 --> 33:44.760 We've got Nerdcore 33:44.760 --> 33:45.540 As a topic 33:45.540 --> 33:46.160 One of 33:46.160 --> 33:46.900 Probably 33:46.900 --> 33:48.460 That would be a fun 33:48.460 --> 33:49.200 Episode 33:49.200 --> 33:49.780 You know 33:49.780 --> 33:50.240 Right 33:50.240 --> 33:52.880 Not that it wouldn't be fun 33:52.880 --> 33:53.540 But that would really 33:53.540 --> 33:53.740 You know 33:53.740 --> 33:54.480 That would really be 33:54.480 --> 33:55.200 Focusing on 33:55.200 --> 33:55.780 Right 33:55.780 --> 33:56.780 When you say fun 33:56.780 --> 33:57.320 You mean a little bit 33:57.320 --> 33:58.060 More light hearted 33:58.060 --> 33:58.460 Topic 33:58.460 --> 33:58.740 That's all 33:58.740 --> 33:58.980 Yes 33:58.980 --> 33:59.380 Sure 33:59.380 --> 33:59.760 Thank you 33:59.760 --> 34:01.180 So that's HPR 34:01.180 --> 34:02.040 And that's the status 34:02.040 --> 34:02.340 So 34:02.340 --> 34:04.140 Very very cool 34:04.140 --> 34:05.760 So just to reiterate 34:05.760 --> 34:06.400 That's 34:06.400 --> 34:07.240 Well 34:07.240 --> 34:08.420 Not to be blunt 34:08.420 --> 34:08.880 But frankly 34:08.880 --> 34:10.000 Whenever you get around to it 34:10.000 --> 34:10.760 Whenever you get time 34:10.760 --> 34:11.300 Exactly 34:11.300 --> 34:12.640 And I'll be honest 34:12.640 --> 34:14.340 I'm taking my sweet ass time 34:14.340 --> 34:15.600 I'm having fun 34:15.600 --> 34:18.380 I've done so many things 34:18.380 --> 34:18.820 Since 34:18.820 --> 34:19.060 You know 34:19.060 --> 34:19.460 Writing 34:19.460 --> 34:21.060 I got married 34:21.060 --> 34:21.700 I got a 34:21.700 --> 34:22.400 I got a 34:22.400 --> 34:23.240 Gentoo box running 34:23.240 --> 34:24.020 Which I love 34:24.020 --> 34:25.000 So Jedi Bebop 34:25.000 --> 34:26.200 And Bland were right 34:26.200 --> 34:26.560 So 34:26.560 --> 34:28.100 Everybody was right 34:28.100 --> 34:28.480 They were right 34:28.480 --> 34:29.040 You guys were right 34:29.040 --> 34:30.160 You went from getting married 34:30.160 --> 34:31.440 To set up a Gentoo box 34:31.440 --> 34:33.820 You snuck 34:33.820 --> 34:34.460 You got to have priorities 34:34.460 --> 34:35.460 You snuck that in there 34:35.460 --> 34:36.760 Number one and number two 34:36.760 --> 34:38.320 Yeah 34:38.320 --> 34:39.640 So thanks for letting me talk 34:39.640 --> 34:40.620 Bland 34:40.620 --> 34:42.100 Bland came down 34:42.100 --> 34:43.080 And we hung out for a weekend 34:43.080 --> 34:43.680 That was awesome 34:43.680 --> 34:45.820 That was very cool 34:45.820 --> 34:47.040 Yeah too bad 34:47.040 --> 34:47.660 That would have been good 34:47.660 --> 34:48.160 If we could have all 34:48.160 --> 34:49.300 Got together for a show 34:49.300 --> 34:50.400 Or something while he was there 34:50.400 --> 34:50.600 But 34:50.600 --> 34:50.980 Yeah 34:50.980 --> 34:51.900 Oh well 34:51.900 --> 34:52.840 That was a blast 34:52.840 --> 34:53.520 It was a lot of fun 34:53.520 --> 34:54.280 Yeah 34:54.280 --> 34:55.540 You know I swear 34:55.540 --> 34:56.340 I had some other things 34:56.340 --> 34:57.240 To talk about for this 34:57.240 --> 34:57.900 Show and tell 34:57.900 --> 34:58.140 But 34:58.140 --> 34:58.920 You know 34:58.920 --> 34:59.400 I don't know 34:59.400 --> 35:00.040 Well 35:00.040 --> 35:00.660 Actually 35:00.660 --> 35:02.520 In one of the upcoming topics 35:02.520 --> 35:03.820 You got a lot to talk about 35:03.820 --> 35:05.340 Interview that you've done recently 35:05.340 --> 35:05.780 So 35:05.780 --> 35:06.700 We've got 35:06.700 --> 35:07.480 And it's a half 35:07.480 --> 35:08.640 We're half way into the show 35:08.640 --> 35:08.940 So 35:08.940 --> 35:09.980 Yeah we got like 20 something 35:09.980 --> 35:11.220 We got about 20 minutes left 35:11.220 --> 35:12.360 And we can go over of course 35:12.360 --> 35:12.640 But 35:12.640 --> 35:14.720 So I 35:14.720 --> 35:15.000 You know 35:15.000 --> 35:15.700 I won't waste time 35:15.700 --> 35:16.540 I've actually been 35:16.540 --> 35:17.620 Kind of unplugged myself 35:17.620 --> 35:18.080 A little bit 35:18.080 --> 35:19.180 Doing some real life stuff 35:19.180 --> 35:20.560 I had to 35:20.560 --> 35:22.080 I had to do a little 35:22.080 --> 35:23.180 Microsoft Access 35:23.180 --> 35:24.940 I won't say hacking 35:24.940 --> 35:25.600 I had to give myself 35:25.600 --> 35:26.880 A little bit of a crash course 35:26.880 --> 35:28.380 In Microsoft Access 35:28.380 --> 35:29.300 For a job interview 35:29.300 --> 35:30.660 I went to this interview 35:30.660 --> 35:30.980 And 35:30.980 --> 35:32.180 They gave me a test 35:32.180 --> 35:32.860 On databases 35:32.860 --> 35:33.480 And of course 35:33.480 --> 35:34.240 I smoked that 35:34.240 --> 35:35.080 That's not a problem 35:35.080 --> 35:36.580 But 35:36.580 --> 35:37.100 They asked me 35:37.100 --> 35:37.760 If I had any experience 35:37.760 --> 35:38.800 With Microsoft Access 35:38.800 --> 35:39.560 And 35:39.560 --> 35:40.700 What is it 35:40.700 --> 35:41.500 SQL Server 35:41.500 --> 35:43.240 Hell no 35:43.240 --> 35:45.860 I couldn't touch that crap 35:45.860 --> 35:46.320 You know 35:46.320 --> 35:47.280 Ask me about something 35:47.280 --> 35:48.280 You know 35:48.280 --> 35:48.860 But anyway 35:48.860 --> 35:50.660 Came back and gave myself 35:50.660 --> 35:51.460 A crash course 35:51.460 --> 35:51.820 In that 35:51.820 --> 35:52.500 Because I really didn't 35:52.500 --> 35:53.240 Know much about it 35:53.240 --> 35:53.920 Didn't know how hard 35:53.920 --> 35:54.360 Or how difficult 35:54.360 --> 35:55.120 It was going to be 35:55.120 --> 35:56.380 Not knowing it 35:56.380 --> 35:56.740 So 35:56.740 --> 35:58.340 Kind of sat down 35:58.340 --> 35:58.660 And 35:58.660 --> 35:59.420 Geez 35:59.420 --> 35:59.760 It wasn't 35:59.760 --> 36:00.580 But a few hours 36:00.580 --> 36:01.020 And I was 36:01.020 --> 36:01.620 I feel like 36:01.620 --> 36:02.120 I pretty well 36:02.120 --> 36:03.000 Know it inside and out 36:03.000 --> 36:03.760 Because frankly 36:03.760 --> 36:04.420 There wasn't a whole lot 36:04.420 --> 36:04.820 To it 36:04.820 --> 36:05.320 Right 36:05.320 --> 36:07.540 It wasn't really 36:07.540 --> 36:08.480 It was real easy 36:08.480 --> 36:08.920 To learn 36:08.920 --> 36:10.060 I don't know 36:10.060 --> 36:10.700 If this is a review 36:10.700 --> 36:11.560 Kind of a mini review 36:11.560 --> 36:11.940 I guess 36:11.940 --> 36:12.720 If anybody cares 36:12.720 --> 36:13.000 But 36:13.000 --> 36:14.700 And by all means 36:14.700 --> 36:15.640 People correct me 36:15.640 --> 36:16.020 If you think 36:16.020 --> 36:17.040 I'm belittling it 36:17.040 --> 36:17.640 Or you think 36:17.640 --> 36:18.380 Differently about it 36:18.380 --> 36:18.580 But 36:18.580 --> 36:19.620 It was 36:19.620 --> 36:20.480 It was really easy 36:20.480 --> 36:20.940 To sit down 36:20.940 --> 36:21.420 And use 36:21.420 --> 36:22.100 And figure out 36:22.100 --> 36:22.700 I mean 36:22.700 --> 36:23.100 It's very 36:23.100 --> 36:24.580 Very intuitive 36:24.580 --> 36:25.040 I guess 36:25.040 --> 36:25.500 As far as 36:25.500 --> 36:25.980 Whipping out 36:25.980 --> 36:27.060 Quick queries 36:27.060 --> 36:27.900 Pulling out 36:27.900 --> 36:28.480 Some quick data 36:28.480 --> 36:29.000 From tables 36:29.000 --> 36:29.440 That have already 36:29.440 --> 36:30.060 Established 36:30.060 --> 36:31.360 Stuff like that 36:31.360 --> 36:32.400 Due to 36:32.400 --> 36:32.620 It's 36:32.620 --> 36:32.900 You know 36:32.900 --> 36:33.680 The GUI 36:33.680 --> 36:34.300 The graphical 36:34.300 --> 36:35.040 Interface of it 36:35.040 --> 36:35.640 It made it 36:35.640 --> 36:36.140 Really quick 36:36.140 --> 36:36.440 And easy 36:36.440 --> 36:36.860 To write 36:36.860 --> 36:37.440 Small 36:37.440 --> 36:38.460 Databases 36:38.460 --> 36:38.880 But 36:38.880 --> 36:39.620 I found 36:39.620 --> 36:40.020 That it wasn't 36:40.020 --> 36:40.700 Very flexible 36:40.700 --> 36:41.400 It didn't allow me 36:41.400 --> 36:42.060 To do any kind 36:42.060 --> 36:42.940 Of advanced 36:42.940 --> 36:43.580 Queries 36:43.580 --> 36:44.200 Whatsoever 36:44.200 --> 36:44.620 If you want 36:44.620 --> 36:45.120 To pull from 36:45.120 --> 36:45.860 A couple tables 36:45.860 --> 36:47.640 With similar keys 36:47.640 --> 36:49.080 Everything was fine 36:49.080 --> 36:49.880 No problem there 36:49.880 --> 36:50.300 But when you 36:50.300 --> 36:50.660 Still want to 36:50.660 --> 36:51.220 Start reading 36:51.220 --> 36:52.220 And building 36:52.220 --> 36:52.960 Foreign keys 36:52.960 --> 36:53.420 To read 36:53.420 --> 36:54.220 Extra tables 36:54.220 --> 36:54.660 Or building 36:54.660 --> 36:55.680 Keys on the fly 36:55.680 --> 36:57.420 And doing some 36:57.420 --> 36:58.080 You know 36:58.080 --> 36:58.980 Multiple joins 36:58.980 --> 37:00.220 And sub queries 37:00.220 --> 37:01.040 And stuff like that 37:01.040 --> 37:02.020 It really 37:02.020 --> 37:02.420 Really 37:02.420 --> 37:02.820 Really 37:02.820 --> 37:03.460 Was not 37:03.460 --> 37:04.920 It really became 37:04.920 --> 37:06.160 User unfriendly 37:06.160 --> 37:07.960 Very fast 37:07.960 --> 37:08.540 Really 37:08.540 --> 37:09.160 Very 37:09.160 --> 37:10.160 Very fast 37:10.160 --> 37:10.660 If you're doing 37:10.660 --> 37:11.860 Small quick things 37:11.860 --> 37:12.740 It's great 37:12.740 --> 37:13.440 No problem 37:13.440 --> 37:13.920 As a matter of fact 37:13.920 --> 37:14.620 I'll even say 37:14.620 --> 37:15.220 Thumbs up 37:15.220 --> 37:15.720 I give them 37:15.720 --> 37:16.500 I mean it was good 37:16.500 --> 37:17.420 If you're doing simple 37:17.420 --> 37:18.600 Database stuff 37:18.600 --> 37:19.460 It's good for that 37:19.460 --> 37:20.540 And I'm sure 37:20.540 --> 37:20.900 There are people 37:20.900 --> 37:21.280 Who are going to say 37:21.280 --> 37:21.800 It's good for the 37:21.800 --> 37:22.680 More advanced stuff too 37:22.680 --> 37:23.620 That I need more practice 37:23.620 --> 37:24.100 Or whatever 37:24.100 --> 37:25.180 But it's just 37:25.180 --> 37:26.340 Actually I guess 37:26.340 --> 37:27.140 The best word 37:27.140 --> 37:28.080 Is cumbersome 37:28.080 --> 37:29.600 It becomes so 37:29.600 --> 37:31.520 Very cumbersome 37:31.520 --> 37:32.620 To do it 37:32.620 --> 37:33.460 Through the GUI 37:33.460 --> 37:34.500 And I'm more of a 37:34.500 --> 37:35.260 Command line guy 37:35.260 --> 37:35.560 You know 37:35.560 --> 37:36.000 Anyway 37:36.000 --> 37:37.620 So they do have 37:37.620 --> 37:38.300 You can go to the 37:38.300 --> 37:39.080 SQL view 37:39.080 --> 37:40.080 And you can go in 37:40.080 --> 37:42.360 And write raw SQL code 37:42.360 --> 37:43.660 And it'll convert it 37:43.660 --> 37:44.500 Back to GUI 37:44.500 --> 37:45.160 And back to 37:45.160 --> 37:45.360 You know 37:45.360 --> 37:46.040 Well it's not really 37:46.040 --> 37:46.580 Converting it 37:46.580 --> 37:46.960 But you know 37:46.960 --> 37:47.200 What I mean 37:47.200 --> 37:47.860 You can go in 37:47.860 --> 37:48.480 And work straight 37:48.480 --> 37:50.240 On the SQL code 37:50.240 --> 37:50.640 Itself 37:50.640 --> 37:51.240 But they use 37:51.240 --> 37:51.540 Their own 37:51.540 --> 37:52.500 Proprietary SQL 37:52.500 --> 37:53.140 Format 37:53.140 --> 37:54.220 Now that's not 37:54.220 --> 37:55.280 Really all that 37:55.280 --> 37:55.820 Unusual 37:55.820 --> 37:56.380 But I found 37:56.380 --> 37:56.800 That it didn't 37:56.800 --> 37:57.360 Even support 37:57.360 --> 37:58.120 Some simple 37:58.120 --> 37:59.960 Standard SQL 37:59.960 --> 38:00.580 Commands that I 38:00.580 --> 38:01.240 Was trying to do 38:01.240 --> 38:01.900 Some group by 38:01.900 --> 38:02.580 Functions I had 38:02.580 --> 38:03.200 Problems with 38:03.200 --> 38:03.680 And stuff like 38:03.680 --> 38:04.140 That it didn't 38:04.140 --> 38:04.860 Understand them 38:04.860 --> 38:05.740 And the way 38:05.740 --> 38:06.560 It did joins 38:06.560 --> 38:08.100 It was automatically 38:08.100 --> 38:08.980 Trying to determine 38:08.980 --> 38:09.620 When to use an 38:09.620 --> 38:10.120 Inner join 38:10.120 --> 38:10.980 And an outer join 38:10.980 --> 38:11.340 And when I 38:11.340 --> 38:12.120 Tried to override 38:12.120 --> 38:12.480 Them 38:12.480 --> 38:13.440 In the code 38:13.440 --> 38:13.860 Itself 38:13.860 --> 38:14.620 Which in ways 38:14.620 --> 38:14.980 That I knew 38:14.980 --> 38:15.560 Logically would 38:15.560 --> 38:15.880 Work 38:15.880 --> 38:16.860 It was choking 38:16.860 --> 38:17.280 And giving me 38:17.280 --> 38:17.700 Error messages 38:17.700 --> 38:18.240 It wouldn't do 38:18.240 --> 38:18.400 It 38:18.400 --> 38:19.540 It was so 38:19.540 --> 38:21.060 Hard to go in 38:21.060 --> 38:21.760 And actually go 38:21.760 --> 38:22.480 To the code 38:22.480 --> 38:23.000 And the command 38:23.000 --> 38:23.700 Line and change 38:23.700 --> 38:24.660 The SQL itself 38:24.660 --> 38:26.100 Command line 38:26.100 --> 38:26.960 Meaning the text 38:26.960 --> 38:27.200 Editor 38:27.200 --> 38:27.760 There's no command 38:27.760 --> 38:28.220 Line of course 38:28.220 --> 38:29.120 It was so hard 38:29.120 --> 38:29.540 To do that 38:29.540 --> 38:29.960 That I found 38:29.960 --> 38:30.920 Myself forced 38:30.920 --> 38:31.540 To go back 38:31.540 --> 38:32.000 To the GUI 38:32.000 --> 38:32.560 And try to 38:32.560 --> 38:33.260 Force the GUI 38:33.260 --> 38:33.680 To do what 38:33.680 --> 38:34.200 I wanted to do 38:34.200 --> 38:34.620 Because I could 38:34.620 --> 38:35.240 Not do it 38:35.240 --> 38:36.420 By typing in 38:36.420 --> 38:37.520 The direct SQL 38:37.520 --> 38:38.280 So that was 38:38.280 --> 38:38.900 Kind of a pain 38:38.900 --> 38:39.880 That's probably 38:39.880 --> 38:40.460 Something that 38:40.460 --> 38:41.100 Yes I would 38:41.100 --> 38:41.660 Get better with 38:41.660 --> 38:42.620 At practice 38:42.620 --> 38:43.140 You can't learn 38:43.140 --> 38:43.600 That in a couple 38:43.600 --> 38:44.360 Hours I guess 38:44.360 --> 38:45.400 Since it is 38:45.400 --> 38:46.360 A proprietary version 38:46.360 --> 38:46.860 Of SQL 38:46.860 --> 38:49.820 So you know 38:49.820 --> 38:50.280 Basically 38:50.280 --> 38:51.820 Short easy queries 38:51.820 --> 38:52.760 It's a pretty 38:52.760 --> 38:53.240 Good tool 38:53.240 --> 38:53.900 Pretty easy 38:53.900 --> 38:54.640 If you've 38:54.640 --> 38:55.100 Already got it 38:55.100 --> 38:55.400 Installed 38:55.400 --> 38:55.840 I definitely 38:55.840 --> 38:56.280 Wouldn't go out 38:56.280 --> 38:56.760 And pay the 38:56.760 --> 38:57.160 Big money 38:57.160 --> 38:57.700 That it costs 38:57.700 --> 38:58.100 For it 38:58.100 --> 38:58.940 Definitely 38:58.940 --> 38:59.300 Would not 38:59.300 --> 38:59.820 Endorse that 38:59.820 --> 39:00.260 But if you've 39:00.260 --> 39:01.760 Got Microsoft 39:01.760 --> 39:02.780 Office Professional 39:02.780 --> 39:03.320 Or something 39:03.320 --> 39:03.860 That has that 39:03.860 --> 39:04.680 Already in there 39:04.680 --> 39:05.640 Yeah by all means 39:05.640 --> 39:06.360 Use it to pull out 39:06.360 --> 39:07.120 Some quick information 39:07.120 --> 39:07.740 I thought it was 39:07.740 --> 39:08.720 Pretty good for that 39:08.720 --> 39:09.440 Just don't expect 39:09.440 --> 39:09.860 Miracles 39:09.860 --> 39:10.920 That's for sure 39:10.920 --> 39:11.480 I'll tell you what 39:11.480 --> 39:12.360 That was actually 39:12.360 --> 39:13.200 A fairly in-depth 39:13.200 --> 39:13.860 Review 39:13.860 --> 39:14.600 I don't know 39:14.600 --> 39:15.200 About all that 39:15.200 --> 39:16.880 The funny thing is 39:16.880 --> 39:17.360 I didn't 39:17.360 --> 39:18.040 You know 39:18.040 --> 39:18.800 I was asked 39:18.800 --> 39:19.520 If I knew 39:19.520 --> 39:20.260 Anything about it 39:20.260 --> 39:21.560 And frankly 39:21.560 --> 39:22.640 What I told him 39:22.640 --> 39:23.800 Here's a polite way 39:23.800 --> 39:24.800 And here's a little 39:24.800 --> 39:26.000 Social engineering advice 39:26.000 --> 39:26.740 Interviews 39:26.740 --> 39:26.760 Interviews 39:26.760 --> 39:27.200 First of all 39:27.200 --> 39:27.960 Are a great place 39:27.960 --> 39:28.500 To practice 39:28.500 --> 39:29.440 And brush up 39:29.440 --> 39:29.900 On your social 39:29.900 --> 39:30.740 Engineering skills 39:30.740 --> 39:31.420 Well I'm glad 39:31.420 --> 39:32.120 You brought this up 39:32.120 --> 39:32.540 Okay good 39:32.540 --> 39:32.840 Keep it 39:32.840 --> 39:35.280 So during this 39:35.280 --> 39:35.940 When they ask you 39:35.940 --> 39:36.300 A question 39:36.300 --> 39:36.580 You're not 39:36.580 --> 39:37.520 I was joking 39:37.520 --> 39:38.280 I did not come out 39:38.280 --> 39:38.500 And go 39:38.500 --> 39:39.220 No I don't know 39:39.220 --> 39:39.820 Microsoft 39:39.820 --> 39:40.600 I hate Microsoft 39:40.600 --> 39:42.260 I really didn't 39:42.260 --> 39:43.480 My actual answer 39:43.480 --> 39:43.820 And this is 39:43.820 --> 39:44.220 You've got to be 39:44.220 --> 39:44.840 Carefully and 39:44.840 --> 39:45.460 Politically correct 39:45.460 --> 39:46.240 The word this stuff 39:46.240 --> 39:47.900 Politically correctly 39:47.900 --> 39:48.280 I don't know 39:48.280 --> 39:49.000 If that's good grammar 39:49.000 --> 39:50.180 Wild sky 39:50.180 --> 39:51.040 Where's the wild sky 39:51.040 --> 39:51.360 Okay 39:51.360 --> 39:55.140 The way you kind 39:55.140 --> 39:55.680 Of answer that 39:55.680 --> 39:55.860 Is 39:55.860 --> 39:56.800 What I answered 39:56.800 --> 39:57.200 Was this 39:57.200 --> 39:57.520 I said 39:57.520 --> 39:58.940 Well I don't have 39:58.940 --> 40:00.260 Direct hands on 40:00.260 --> 40:01.060 Work experience 40:01.060 --> 40:01.740 With Microsoft 40:01.740 --> 40:02.260 Access 40:02.260 --> 40:03.020 In my current 40:03.020 --> 40:03.580 Job 40:03.580 --> 40:04.520 But I have 40:04.520 --> 40:05.900 Classroom experience 40:05.900 --> 40:06.560 With Microsoft 40:06.560 --> 40:07.140 Access 40:07.140 --> 40:07.900 Meaning I do 40:07.900 --> 40:08.780 Have some experience 40:08.780 --> 40:09.540 I know how 40:09.540 --> 40:10.180 It's designed 40:10.180 --> 40:11.040 And how it works 40:11.040 --> 40:12.140 But I don't do it 40:12.140 --> 40:13.060 On a regular basis 40:13.060 --> 40:14.060 I feel confident 40:14.060 --> 40:14.820 I could get my 40:14.820 --> 40:15.840 Skills up to par 40:15.840 --> 40:16.940 Very quickly 40:16.940 --> 40:18.520 So I word it 40:18.520 --> 40:19.340 To let them know 40:19.340 --> 40:20.120 That I'm not afraid 40:20.120 --> 40:20.480 Of it 40:20.480 --> 40:21.600 I don't do it 40:21.600 --> 40:22.120 For a living 40:22.120 --> 40:22.720 You know 40:22.720 --> 40:23.600 I get that point 40:23.600 --> 40:23.860 Across 40:23.860 --> 40:24.280 I'm not going 40:24.280 --> 40:25.040 To sell myself 40:25.040 --> 40:25.660 Being able to 40:25.660 --> 40:26.460 Do something I can 40:26.460 --> 40:27.100 I don't like to 40:27.100 --> 40:27.940 Lie when I social 40:27.940 --> 40:28.280 Engineer 40:28.280 --> 40:28.900 I know that's 40:28.900 --> 40:29.780 Kind of an oxymoron 40:29.780 --> 40:30.360 To some people 40:30.360 --> 40:30.940 But I try to 40:30.940 --> 40:32.220 Keep it honest 40:32.220 --> 40:34.240 And I came back 40:34.240 --> 40:35.000 The following week 40:35.000 --> 40:35.340 They wanted me 40:35.340 --> 40:35.820 To come back 40:35.820 --> 40:36.540 To basically 40:36.540 --> 40:37.240 Take a test 40:37.240 --> 40:37.940 And at Microsoft 40:37.940 --> 40:38.420 SQL 40:38.420 --> 40:39.300 So that's what 40:39.300 --> 40:39.540 I mean 40:39.540 --> 40:40.020 I went home 40:40.020 --> 40:40.520 I gave myself 40:40.520 --> 40:41.260 A crash course 40:41.260 --> 40:42.060 I went through 40:42.060 --> 40:42.720 Some tutorials 40:42.720 --> 40:43.580 I just made up 40:43.580 --> 40:44.300 Some scenarios 40:44.300 --> 40:45.340 I used some 40:45.340 --> 40:45.920 Of the default 40:45.920 --> 40:47.700 Sample databases 40:47.700 --> 40:48.360 That it comes with 40:48.360 --> 40:49.040 And gave myself 40:49.040 --> 40:49.540 Some assignments 40:49.540 --> 40:50.040 Says okay 40:50.040 --> 40:51.220 See if you can do this 40:51.220 --> 40:52.180 No problem 40:52.180 --> 40:52.860 See if you can do that 40:52.860 --> 40:53.520 Ah no problem 40:53.520 --> 40:54.880 Eventually figured out 40:54.880 --> 40:55.340 How to make 40:55.340 --> 40:56.540 Replaceable parameters 40:56.540 --> 40:57.420 Where it prompts users 40:57.420 --> 40:58.980 To put in the data 40:58.980 --> 40:59.540 That they want 40:59.540 --> 41:00.360 Make a user friendly 41:00.360 --> 41:01.100 I mean it was actually 41:01.100 --> 41:01.860 Pretty darn simple 41:01.860 --> 41:02.820 And I probably learned 41:02.820 --> 41:04.240 Infinitely more 41:04.240 --> 41:05.160 Than they even expected 41:05.160 --> 41:05.700 Me to know 41:05.700 --> 41:06.740 So when I went back 41:06.740 --> 41:08.860 Not to toot my own arm 41:08.860 --> 41:09.620 But long story short 41:09.620 --> 41:10.840 I smoked the test 41:10.840 --> 41:11.600 That they gave me 41:11.600 --> 41:12.660 For the interview 41:12.660 --> 41:13.160 So 41:13.160 --> 41:15.320 The reason 41:15.320 --> 41:16.200 That I was faced 41:16.200 --> 41:16.540 With this 41:16.540 --> 41:17.020 Is because 41:17.020 --> 41:18.400 They wanted that skill 41:18.400 --> 41:19.620 I had to politely 41:19.620 --> 41:21.860 And I guess 41:21.860 --> 41:22.740 In a positive way 41:22.740 --> 41:23.540 Show that I 41:23.540 --> 41:24.680 Absolutely could 41:24.680 --> 41:25.780 Do what they wanted 41:25.780 --> 41:27.060 And then I did it 41:27.060 --> 41:27.720 And then I did it 41:27.720 --> 41:27.960 You know 41:27.960 --> 41:28.660 That's really 41:28.660 --> 41:29.880 All there is about it 41:29.880 --> 41:30.060 I mean 41:30.060 --> 41:30.600 Don't come out 41:30.600 --> 41:30.960 And say 41:30.960 --> 41:32.220 I can't do this 41:32.220 --> 41:32.980 Or I won't do that 41:32.980 --> 41:33.960 Or I don't like this 41:33.960 --> 41:34.960 That's really not 41:34.960 --> 41:35.640 The angle to play 41:35.640 --> 41:36.900 You have to use 41:36.900 --> 41:38.220 Your social engineering 41:38.220 --> 41:39.320 Skills in a situation 41:39.320 --> 41:39.920 Like that 41:39.920 --> 41:41.180 Without 41:41.180 --> 41:42.660 You know 41:42.660 --> 41:44.340 Going overboard 41:44.340 --> 41:44.880 So 41:44.880 --> 41:46.800 I don't know 41:46.800 --> 41:47.280 What you wanted 41:47.280 --> 41:47.800 To follow up 41:47.800 --> 41:48.540 But by all means 41:48.540 --> 41:48.960 Go ahead 41:48.960 --> 41:49.660 Well no 41:49.660 --> 41:50.420 First 41:50.420 --> 41:51.740 Congratulations on 41:51.740 --> 41:52.120 Doing well 41:52.120 --> 41:52.520 On that test 41:52.520 --> 41:53.080 Thank you 41:53.080 --> 41:54.220 That's a very good point 41:54.220 --> 41:54.940 You should use 41:54.940 --> 41:55.560 These skills 41:55.560 --> 41:56.320 Use those social 41:56.320 --> 41:56.980 Engineering skills 41:56.980 --> 41:57.760 Wherever you can 41:57.760 --> 41:58.480 And you can use them 41:58.480 --> 41:59.160 You can use them 41:59.160 --> 41:59.800 All day long 41:59.800 --> 42:00.420 To whoever you're 42:00.420 --> 42:01.040 Talking to 42:01.040 --> 42:01.580 You know 42:01.580 --> 42:02.140 It's almost 42:02.140 --> 42:03.180 It's social training 42:03.180 --> 42:03.640 Literally 42:03.640 --> 42:04.420 Oh absolutely 42:04.420 --> 42:04.920 Right 42:04.920 --> 42:05.180 So 42:05.180 --> 42:06.280 I actually just 42:06.280 --> 42:07.660 I used my 42:07.660 --> 42:08.960 Social engineering skills 42:08.960 --> 42:09.600 A little bit 42:09.600 --> 42:10.440 To get what I wanted 42:10.440 --> 42:10.920 Essentially 42:10.920 --> 42:12.020 I wanted to take a class 42:12.020 --> 42:13.420 It said I needed a pre-reqs 42:13.420 --> 42:14.540 Some network security class 42:14.540 --> 42:14.980 Whatever 42:14.980 --> 42:15.500 Right 42:15.500 --> 42:16.940 I just wanted to take it 42:16.940 --> 42:17.340 For fun 42:17.340 --> 42:18.720 I think I can hang 42:18.720 --> 42:20.360 Regardless of the pre-reqs 42:20.360 --> 42:20.920 They said 42:20.920 --> 42:22.020 No you need pre-reqs 42:22.020 --> 42:22.360 You can't 42:22.360 --> 42:23.600 I can't register online 42:23.600 --> 42:24.180 Or over the phone 42:24.180 --> 42:25.460 So I call up 42:25.460 --> 42:25.880 And they say 42:25.880 --> 42:26.760 Well you've got to 42:26.760 --> 42:27.320 Come down 42:27.320 --> 42:28.120 And speak to the 42:28.120 --> 42:28.900 Department head 42:28.900 --> 42:30.100 And get an override 42:30.100 --> 42:31.020 And blah blah blah 42:31.020 --> 42:31.500 I said 42:31.500 --> 42:32.440 In my head 42:32.440 --> 42:33.840 This is not acceptable 42:33.840 --> 42:34.400 Right 42:34.400 --> 42:34.620 I said 42:34.620 --> 42:35.400 Oh okay sure 42:35.400 --> 42:36.240 Could you transfer me 42:36.240 --> 42:37.140 To this person 42:37.140 --> 42:38.420 And I schmoozed them 42:38.420 --> 42:38.840 A little bit 42:38.840 --> 42:39.960 And gets more information 42:39.960 --> 42:40.780 Okay transfer me 42:40.780 --> 42:41.240 To this person 42:41.240 --> 42:41.820 Schmoozed them 42:41.820 --> 42:42.240 A little bit 42:42.240 --> 42:43.060 Finally I get to 42:43.060 --> 42:43.660 Talk to 42:43.660 --> 42:45.400 Some guy 42:45.400 --> 42:45.960 At the department head 42:45.960 --> 42:46.980 Who can't do it 42:46.980 --> 42:48.020 And I schmoozed him 42:48.020 --> 42:49.260 And got him to do it 42:49.260 --> 42:50.160 Remotely over the phone 42:50.160 --> 42:50.940 In five minutes 42:50.940 --> 42:52.660 I got that taken care of 42:52.660 --> 42:54.360 Got the pre-reqs wiped 42:54.360 --> 42:55.660 And I registered for the class 42:55.660 --> 42:57.880 That was absolutely 42:57.880 --> 42:58.960 Literally 42:58.960 --> 42:59.980 Social engineering 42:59.980 --> 43:01.660 So use your skills 43:01.660 --> 43:02.200 All the time 43:02.200 --> 43:03.100 There's always opportunity 43:03.100 --> 43:03.600 For training 43:03.600 --> 43:04.280 Whether it be physical 43:04.280 --> 43:04.840 Or mental 43:04.840 --> 43:06.300 Yeah and there's actually 43:06.300 --> 43:07.560 A term for the 43:07.560 --> 43:08.760 Well kind of like that 43:08.760 --> 43:09.740 When you call up 43:09.740 --> 43:10.420 Say tech support 43:10.420 --> 43:11.200 You don't get the answer 43:11.200 --> 43:12.460 You want from the first operator 43:12.460 --> 43:13.900 You call back again 43:13.900 --> 43:14.460 And you try to get 43:14.460 --> 43:15.340 A different representative 43:15.340 --> 43:15.840 On the phone 43:15.840 --> 43:16.400 That may be able 43:16.400 --> 43:17.000 To do it for you 43:17.000 --> 43:18.100 Or willing to do it for you 43:18.100 --> 43:19.260 And you know 43:19.260 --> 43:21.040 I call it op-hopping 43:21.040 --> 43:22.060 Hopping from one operator 43:22.060 --> 43:22.580 To the other 43:22.580 --> 43:23.160 Until you get one 43:23.160 --> 43:24.080 To answer what you want 43:24.080 --> 43:24.820 And you bounce in 43:24.820 --> 43:25.740 From person to person 43:25.740 --> 43:27.000 Until you get somebody 43:27.000 --> 43:27.960 Who's either able 43:27.960 --> 43:28.640 Or willing 43:28.640 --> 43:30.100 To get it done 43:30.100 --> 43:31.100 Yeah you just like 43:31.100 --> 43:31.780 Collect a little bit 43:31.780 --> 43:32.360 Of information 43:32.360 --> 43:33.140 As you work your way 43:33.140 --> 43:33.700 Up to the person 43:33.700 --> 43:34.300 Who can do it 43:34.300 --> 43:34.880 You just okay 43:34.880 --> 43:35.660 Collect a little here 43:35.660 --> 43:36.400 Okay now I know 43:36.400 --> 43:36.720 About this 43:36.720 --> 43:37.280 So I can move on 43:37.280 --> 43:37.740 To this person 43:37.740 --> 43:38.600 Move up a little bit 43:38.600 --> 43:39.640 Absolutely 43:39.640 --> 43:40.700 Yeah and don't be 43:40.700 --> 43:41.000 And you know 43:41.000 --> 43:41.940 The way when you say 43:41.940 --> 43:42.520 Get information 43:42.520 --> 43:43.660 Ask questions 43:43.660 --> 43:44.460 There's nothing wrong 43:44.460 --> 43:45.300 With asking questions 43:45.300 --> 43:45.880 Along the way 43:45.880 --> 43:46.360 You have to 43:46.360 --> 43:47.680 It's absolute 43:47.680 --> 43:48.700 By the time you get 43:48.700 --> 43:49.760 To that final person 43:49.760 --> 43:51.020 You'll know 43:51.020 --> 43:51.960 What they want 43:51.960 --> 43:52.300 You know 43:52.300 --> 43:52.900 Oh yeah 43:52.900 --> 43:53.460 Yeah 43:53.460 --> 43:54.280 So there you go 43:54.280 --> 43:55.060 Everybody 43:55.060 --> 43:56.660 I actually so totally 43:56.660 --> 43:57.840 Relate to that story too 43:57.840 --> 43:59.120 But we'll let it go 43:59.120 --> 43:59.140 Yeah oh it's 43:59.140 --> 44:00.020 It's so useful too 44:00.020 --> 44:00.720 That totally got me 44:00.720 --> 44:01.100 Through college 44:01.100 --> 44:01.500 So 44:01.500 --> 44:02.780 Even simple things 44:02.780 --> 44:03.480 Like checking out 44:03.480 --> 44:04.380 In the grocery store 44:04.380 --> 44:05.660 Or returning something 44:05.660 --> 44:06.220 At Target 44:06.220 --> 44:07.860 Or anything like that 44:07.860 --> 44:09.500 Schmooze 44:09.500 --> 44:10.300 Social engineer 44:10.300 --> 44:10.860 And just see 44:10.860 --> 44:12.040 You can get some information 44:12.040 --> 44:12.980 Even your waiters 44:12.980 --> 44:13.280 And stuff 44:13.280 --> 44:13.940 Just be nice 44:13.940 --> 44:14.420 And see what kind 44:14.420 --> 44:14.900 Of information 44:14.900 --> 44:15.900 You can find out of them 44:15.900 --> 44:16.700 That's another thing 44:16.700 --> 44:17.380 Being nice 44:17.380 --> 44:18.220 Pays dude 44:18.220 --> 44:19.140 Oh you know what 44:19.140 --> 44:20.220 Yeah I won't go 44:20.220 --> 44:20.880 On to a soapbox 44:20.880 --> 44:21.900 Be nice in general 44:21.900 --> 44:23.420 Irregardless of hacking 44:23.420 --> 44:24.020 Yes 44:24.020 --> 44:24.740 Do again 44:24.740 --> 44:25.320 Cool bland 44:25.320 --> 44:26.300 Do not be a penis 44:26.300 --> 44:27.100 Exactly 44:27.100 --> 44:28.960 Is that really so hard 44:28.960 --> 44:29.760 Oh and 44:29.760 --> 44:30.620 Before we leave 44:30.620 --> 44:31.700 The personal stories here 44:31.700 --> 44:32.400 Okay go ahead 44:32.400 --> 44:33.540 Not buy Princeton 44:33.540 --> 44:34.640 LCD monitors 44:34.640 --> 44:36.620 They suck ass 44:36.620 --> 44:37.420 Hmm 44:37.420 --> 44:38.260 I've got one 44:38.260 --> 44:38.900 That just died 44:38.900 --> 44:39.460 And one that's 44:39.460 --> 44:40.340 A piece of crap 44:40.340 --> 44:41.960 I've got a ViewSonic 44:41.960 --> 44:42.900 And I love it 44:42.900 --> 44:43.540 It's so nice 44:43.540 --> 44:43.820 So 44:43.820 --> 44:45.260 Stay away from Princeton 44:45.260 --> 44:46.460 And that's funny 44:46.460 --> 44:47.020 We were talking about 44:47.020 --> 44:47.540 This off the air 44:47.540 --> 44:48.460 But I remember 44:48.460 --> 44:49.400 Princeton being a good 44:49.400 --> 44:50.260 Brand back in 44:50.260 --> 44:50.960 Probably the 44:50.960 --> 44:51.920 Early 90s 44:51.920 --> 44:52.400 Late 80s 44:52.400 --> 44:53.160 Early 90s 44:53.160 --> 44:53.720 Maybe so 44:53.720 --> 44:54.560 But I just got 44:54.560 --> 44:55.360 Two lemons from them 44:55.360 --> 44:55.980 Yeah they were always 44:55.980 --> 44:56.360 One of the 44:56.360 --> 44:56.920 You know one of the 44:56.920 --> 44:57.480 Premier ones 44:57.480 --> 44:58.140 And yeah I've heard 44:58.140 --> 44:58.960 Now bad things 44:58.960 --> 44:59.640 About them lately 44:59.640 --> 45:00.000 So 45:00.000 --> 45:01.260 You can't go wrong 45:01.260 --> 45:01.700 ViewSonic 45:01.700 --> 45:02.240 I mean those 45:02.240 --> 45:03.060 Three little birds 45:03.060 --> 45:03.700 The little birds 45:03.700 --> 45:03.960 On there 45:03.960 --> 45:04.740 Of course that makes it 45:04.740 --> 45:05.000 Man 45:05.000 --> 45:05.880 Big time 45:05.880 --> 45:06.640 Okay 45:06.640 --> 45:07.480 All right 45:07.480 --> 45:09.140 All right 45:09.140 --> 45:09.800 Well that's all 45:09.800 --> 45:10.640 I had for the 45:10.640 --> 45:11.760 Show and tell 45:11.760 --> 45:12.540 We've got to roll 45:12.540 --> 45:12.820 Brother 45:12.820 --> 45:13.780 There's like 20 minutes 45:13.780 --> 45:14.160 Left 45:14.160 --> 45:14.740 I'll tell you what 45:14.740 --> 45:15.220 Why don't you 45:15.220 --> 45:16.060 Why don't you roll 45:16.060 --> 45:16.920 Then and take as 45:16.920 --> 45:17.660 Much time as you want 45:17.660 --> 45:18.300 Forget about how 45:18.300 --> 45:18.860 Long we've got 45:18.860 --> 45:19.900 Just talk about this 45:19.900 --> 45:20.880 As long as you want to 45:20.880 --> 45:22.220 And anything else 45:22.220 --> 45:22.860 Can be bumped if 45:22.860 --> 45:23.340 Necessary 45:23.340 --> 45:23.680 But 45:23.680 --> 45:24.360 We can make this 45:24.360 --> 45:24.380 We can make this 45:24.380 --> 45:24.580 Quick 45:24.580 --> 45:25.120 I definitely want 45:25.120 --> 45:25.560 To get to your 45:25.560 --> 45:25.840 Story 45:25.840 --> 45:26.420 I think yours 45:26.420 --> 45:27.360 Probably has 45:27.360 --> 45:28.640 Well okay 45:28.640 --> 45:28.940 Well let's 45:28.940 --> 45:29.220 Anyway 45:29.220 --> 45:30.460 Your story 45:30.460 --> 45:31.940 The community 45:31.940 --> 45:32.540 Can do more 45:32.540 --> 45:32.860 With 45:32.860 --> 45:34.360 Well regardless 45:34.360 --> 45:35.140 Take as much 45:35.140 --> 45:35.920 Time as you want 45:35.920 --> 45:36.320 On this 45:36.320 --> 45:36.900 And we'll put it 45:36.900 --> 45:37.380 Up for download 45:37.380 --> 45:38.020 If nothing else 45:38.020 --> 45:38.620 If it goes over 45:38.620 --> 45:39.260 The time frame 45:39.260 --> 45:39.600 Okay 45:39.600 --> 45:41.080 And this one 45:41.080 --> 45:41.240 Is 45:41.240 --> 45:41.680 And let me 45:41.680 --> 45:42.240 Just set it up 45:42.240 --> 45:42.460 For you 45:42.460 --> 45:42.740 And then you 45:42.740 --> 45:43.260 Can go with it 45:43.260 --> 45:43.740 This was 45:43.740 --> 45:45.000 A story 45:45.000 --> 45:45.580 You told me 45:45.580 --> 45:46.180 About off the air 45:46.180 --> 45:46.700 You actually 45:46.700 --> 45:47.620 Were so upset 45:47.620 --> 45:48.060 By this 45:48.060 --> 45:49.140 Or angered 45:49.140 --> 45:49.440 By this 45:49.440 --> 45:49.960 I should say 45:49.960 --> 45:50.500 That you called 45:50.500 --> 45:50.960 Me one night 45:50.960 --> 45:51.620 And we talked 45:51.620 --> 45:52.220 About this 45:52.220 --> 45:53.100 And you 45:53.100 --> 45:56.020 Went after the fact 45:56.020 --> 45:56.460 And did a little 45:56.460 --> 45:57.080 Bit of interview 45:57.080 --> 45:58.580 And found out 45:58.580 --> 45:59.260 Some more information 45:59.260 --> 45:59.760 And this is 45:59.760 --> 46:00.180 What you're going 46:00.180 --> 46:01.280 To just to set 46:01.280 --> 46:01.540 It up 46:01.540 --> 46:01.940 So that you 46:01.940 --> 46:02.680 Can go with it 46:02.680 --> 46:03.180 Right 46:03.180 --> 46:03.720 I actually read 46:03.720 --> 46:04.020 About it 46:04.020 --> 46:04.560 On slash 46:04.560 --> 46:04.860 Don 46:04.860 --> 46:05.280 It was 46:05.280 --> 46:06.880 April 21st 46:06.880 --> 46:08.400 The Deer Valley 46:08.400 --> 46:09.260 Unified School 46:09.260 --> 46:09.900 District Office 46:09.900 --> 46:10.480 In Glendale 46:10.480 --> 46:11.060 Was raided by 46:11.060 --> 46:11.580 The FBI 46:11.580 --> 46:13.320 On April 21st 46:13.320 --> 46:14.120 That's 46:14.120 --> 46:14.300 Dude 46:14.300 --> 46:15.020 That's my hood 46:15.020 --> 46:15.780 Right 46:15.780 --> 46:17.000 The PHX 46:17.000 --> 46:17.620 Phoenix 46:17.620 --> 46:17.900 So 46:17.900 --> 46:19.440 It was very 46:19.440 --> 46:20.060 Upsetting to me 46:20.060 --> 46:20.460 And of course 46:20.460 --> 46:21.400 I had this gut reaction 46:21.400 --> 46:23.440 And I need to 46:23.440 --> 46:24.600 Be calm 46:24.600 --> 46:25.440 Breathe 46:25.440 --> 46:26.300 And think a little 46:26.300 --> 46:26.680 Bit more 46:26.680 --> 46:28.000 But I was 46:28.000 --> 46:28.660 You know 46:28.660 --> 46:29.320 Quite angry 46:29.320 --> 46:30.440 Why would the FBI 46:30.440 --> 46:30.980 You know 46:30.980 --> 46:32.340 To me 46:32.340 --> 46:32.760 It was just 46:32.760 --> 46:33.480 You know 46:33.480 --> 46:34.360 The freaking 46:34.360 --> 46:34.880 Muscle 46:34.880 --> 46:36.200 Of the double A's 46:36.200 --> 46:37.500 Rating a school 46:37.500 --> 46:38.380 For crying out loud 46:38.380 --> 46:38.940 People who were 46:38.940 --> 46:39.740 Trying to educate 46:39.740 --> 46:40.640 Our youth 46:40.640 --> 46:42.260 All because of 46:42.260 --> 46:42.840 A couple of 46:42.840 --> 46:43.840 Downloaded songs 46:43.840 --> 46:44.620 I'm sorry 46:44.620 --> 46:45.380 What level 46:45.380 --> 46:46.020 School was this 46:46.020 --> 46:46.700 Was this high school 46:46.700 --> 46:48.320 Deer Valley Unified 46:48.320 --> 46:49.120 School District 46:49.120 --> 46:50.660 That's K-12 46:50.660 --> 46:52.400 They're actually 46:52.400 --> 46:52.800 In Phoenix 46:52.800 --> 46:53.440 But they have 46:53.440 --> 46:54.560 An office in Glendale 46:54.560 --> 46:54.960 And that's what 46:54.960 --> 46:55.440 Was raided 46:55.440 --> 46:56.400 Their district office 46:56.400 --> 46:57.540 And again 46:57.540 --> 46:58.840 On the 21st 46:58.840 --> 47:01.180 The Arizona Central 47:01.180 --> 47:02.260 Which is run by 47:02.260 --> 47:02.480 You know 47:02.480 --> 47:03.280 The Arizona Republic 47:03.280 --> 47:04.260 They of course 47:04.260 --> 47:05.020 Carried the story 47:05.020 --> 47:05.820 And they talked 47:05.820 --> 47:06.380 About the federal 47:06.380 --> 47:07.060 Agents who came 47:07.060 --> 47:07.420 In 47:07.420 --> 47:09.280 And well 47:09.280 --> 47:09.600 You know 47:09.600 --> 47:10.300 Basically shut 47:10.300 --> 47:10.640 Down their 47:10.640 --> 47:11.220 Internet access 47:11.220 --> 47:12.220 For a time 47:12.220 --> 47:12.440 And 47:12.440 --> 47:13.360 Well for those 47:13.360 --> 47:13.980 Who don't know 47:13.980 --> 47:15.380 The reported 47:15.380 --> 47:15.880 Story 47:15.880 --> 47:17.480 Was what 47:17.480 --> 47:19.300 That the FBI 47:19.300 --> 47:19.980 Raided it 47:19.980 --> 47:21.380 Looking for 47:21.380 --> 47:22.500 Pirated songs 47:22.500 --> 47:22.940 Is that what 47:22.940 --> 47:23.160 No 47:23.160 --> 47:23.440 They 47:23.440 --> 47:24.660 They 47:24.660 --> 47:27.300 They raided 47:27.300 --> 47:28.260 The school 47:28.260 --> 47:28.860 Along with 47:28.860 --> 47:29.460 You know 47:29.460 --> 47:30.020 Many other 47:30.020 --> 47:31.020 As we found out 47:31.020 --> 47:32.120 A day later 47:32.120 --> 47:32.880 From Ashcroft 47:32.880 --> 47:35.660 For intellectual 47:35.660 --> 47:37.100 Property violations 47:37.100 --> 47:38.260 Right 47:38.260 --> 47:38.980 For copyright 47:38.980 --> 47:39.480 Infraged 47:39.480 --> 47:40.080 Big 47:40.080 --> 47:41.100 Lots and lots 47:41.100 --> 47:41.640 Of piracy 47:41.640 --> 47:42.480 Okay 47:42.480 --> 47:43.280 Right 47:43.280 --> 47:44.480 A national crackdown 47:44.480 --> 47:45.040 This is a quote 47:45.040 --> 47:45.840 A national crackdown 47:45.840 --> 47:46.640 On pirated music 47:46.640 --> 47:47.500 CDs and movies 47:47.500 --> 47:49.440 So they went 47:49.440 --> 47:50.080 Through all their 47:50.080 --> 47:50.640 Stuff 47:50.640 --> 47:53.560 The story 47:53.560 --> 47:53.960 Yeah 47:53.960 --> 47:54.640 It gives 47:54.640 --> 47:56.200 It gives 47:56.200 --> 47:56.860 Some good information 47:56.860 --> 47:57.440 But I wanted 47:57.440 --> 47:57.720 More 47:57.720 --> 47:58.420 I wanted to know 47:58.420 --> 47:59.320 More about what 47:59.320 --> 47:59.700 Happened 47:59.700 --> 48:00.760 Again the next 48:00.760 --> 48:01.120 Day 48:01.120 --> 48:02.120 You heard about 48:02.120 --> 48:02.520 This on 48:02.520 --> 48:04.080 Last week's 48:04.080 --> 48:04.700 Off the hook 48:04.700 --> 48:05.800 The Department 48:05.800 --> 48:06.340 Of Justice 48:06.340 --> 48:07.500 Put out a 48:07.500 --> 48:09.460 Press release 48:09.460 --> 48:10.200 Regarding 48:10.200 --> 48:11.320 Operation Fast 48:11.320 --> 48:11.660 Link 48:11.660 --> 48:12.520 Right 48:12.520 --> 48:12.900 The largest 48:12.900 --> 48:13.520 Global enforcement 48:13.520 --> 48:14.080 Action ever 48:14.080 --> 48:14.460 Undertaken 48:14.460 --> 48:15.160 Against online 48:15.160 --> 48:15.660 Piracy 48:15.660 --> 48:15.900 Now 48:15.900 --> 48:16.560 No matter 48:16.560 --> 48:16.860 What 48:16.860 --> 48:17.500 You think 48:17.500 --> 48:17.940 And actually 48:17.940 --> 48:18.220 I'll save 48:18.220 --> 48:18.700 This to the end 48:18.700 --> 48:18.980 I'll talk 48:18.980 --> 48:19.240 About what 48:19.240 --> 48:19.520 I learned 48:19.520 --> 48:20.500 First 48:20.500 --> 48:23.800 What happened 48:23.800 --> 48:24.420 Let's see 48:24.420 --> 48:25.180 Over 120 48:25.180 --> 48:25.880 Searches 48:25.880 --> 48:26.300 In 27 48:26.300 --> 48:26.660 States 48:26.660 --> 48:26.960 And 10 48:26.960 --> 48:27.280 Foreign 48:27.280 --> 48:27.760 Countries 48:27.760 --> 48:28.140 Including 48:28.140 --> 48:28.460 Belgium 48:28.460 --> 48:28.780 Denmark 48:28.780 --> 48:29.140 France 48:29.140 --> 48:29.440 Germany 48:29.440 --> 48:29.740 Hungary 48:29.740 --> 48:30.040 Israel 48:30.040 --> 48:30.400 Netherlands 48:30.400 --> 48:30.800 Singapore 48:30.800 --> 48:31.200 Sweden 48:31.200 --> 48:32.020 As well 48:32.020 --> 48:32.500 As the UK 48:32.500 --> 48:33.300 And Northern Ireland 48:33.300 --> 48:35.420 100 individuals 48:35.420 --> 48:36.580 Have been identified 48:36.580 --> 48:38.360 For investigation 48:38.360 --> 48:39.660 International piracy 48:39.660 --> 48:40.100 Blah blah blah 48:40.100 --> 48:40.860 And then 48:40.860 --> 48:41.480 It goes on 48:41.480 --> 48:42.180 To say 48:42.180 --> 48:43.220 Seizure 48:43.220 --> 48:43.580 Of more than 48:43.580 --> 48:44.200 200 computers 48:44.200 --> 48:44.920 Including 30 48:44.920 --> 48:45.780 Computer servers 48:45.780 --> 48:46.380 That functioned 48:46.380 --> 48:46.760 As storage 48:46.760 --> 48:47.360 And distribution 48:47.360 --> 48:48.040 Hubs 48:48.040 --> 48:49.100 One here in the 48:49.100 --> 48:49.460 US 48:49.460 --> 48:50.280 Containing 48:50.280 --> 48:51.280 65,000 48:51.280 --> 48:52.360 Separate pirated 48:52.360 --> 48:52.800 Titles 48:52.800 --> 48:54.780 So that's 48:54.780 --> 48:55.220 What happened 48:55.220 --> 48:55.780 Right 48:55.780 --> 48:56.340 About 50 48:56.340 --> 48:57.100 Million dollars 48:57.100 --> 48:59.100 In works 48:59.100 --> 48:59.380 That were 48:59.380 --> 48:59.700 Seized 48:59.700 --> 49:00.520 So that's 49:00.520 --> 49:01.000 What happened 49:01.000 --> 49:02.300 Okay 49:02.300 --> 49:03.340 Including this 49:03.340 --> 49:04.200 School district 49:04.200 --> 49:06.380 So if you go 49:06.380 --> 49:06.640 To their 49:06.640 --> 49:07.140 Site 49:07.140 --> 49:09.040 Which is 49:09.040 --> 49:10.380 DVUSD.org 49:10.380 --> 49:11.260 They have 49:11.260 --> 49:11.800 A letter 49:11.800 --> 49:12.160 To the 49:12.160 --> 49:12.500 Parents 49:12.500 --> 49:12.760 And I'll 49:12.760 --> 49:13.180 Read this 49:13.180 --> 49:13.400 Dear 49:13.400 --> 49:13.840 Parents 49:13.840 --> 49:15.060 On Wednesday 49:15.060 --> 49:15.340 Morning 49:15.340 --> 49:16.220 The FBI 49:16.220 --> 49:16.840 Served 49:16.840 --> 49:17.200 A search 49:17.200 --> 49:17.460 Warrant 49:17.460 --> 49:17.720 On the 49:17.720 --> 49:18.040 Deer Valley 49:18.040 --> 49:18.400 Unified 49:18.400 --> 49:18.960 School District 49:18.960 --> 49:19.600 Administrative 49:19.600 --> 49:19.960 Services 49:19.960 --> 49:20.220 Center 49:20.220 --> 49:20.940 On 51st 49:20.940 --> 49:21.420 Avenue 49:21.420 --> 49:22.520 Because the 49:22.520 --> 49:22.720 Warrant 49:22.720 --> 49:23.480 Was judiciously 49:23.480 --> 49:23.900 Sealed 49:23.900 --> 49:26.620 We do not 49:26.620 --> 49:27.100 Know for certain 49:27.100 --> 49:27.580 The nature 49:27.580 --> 49:28.620 Or target 49:28.620 --> 49:28.960 Of the 49:28.960 --> 49:29.700 Investigation 49:29.700 --> 49:30.180 However we 49:30.180 --> 49:30.520 Believe 49:30.520 --> 49:31.320 This search 49:31.320 --> 49:31.700 Was part 49:31.700 --> 49:32.360 Of Operation 49:32.360 --> 49:32.820 Fastenck 49:32.820 --> 49:33.160 A large 49:33.160 --> 49:33.400 Scale 49:33.400 --> 49:33.860 Undercover 49:33.860 --> 49:34.540 Investigation 49:34.540 --> 49:35.200 Focused on 49:35.200 --> 49:35.700 The theft 49:35.700 --> 49:36.520 Of intellectual 49:36.520 --> 49:37.060 Property 49:37.060 --> 49:37.540 Such as 49:37.540 --> 49:37.800 Music 49:37.800 --> 49:38.220 Software 49:38.220 --> 49:38.840 And movies 49:38.840 --> 49:40.160 The 49:40.160 --> 49:40.500 District 49:40.500 --> 49:41.220 And its 49:41.220 --> 49:41.620 Staff 49:41.620 --> 49:41.980 Members 49:41.980 --> 49:42.480 Are fully 49:42.480 --> 49:43.080 Cooperating 49:43.080 --> 49:43.260 With 49:43.260 --> 49:43.580 Federal 49:43.580 --> 49:44.160 Authorities 49:44.160 --> 49:44.700 All 49:44.700 --> 49:45.040 Internet 49:45.040 --> 49:45.460 Services 49:45.460 --> 49:45.700 Were 49:45.700 --> 49:46.240 Expected 49:46.240 --> 49:47.280 To 49:47.280 --> 49:47.660 Return 49:47.660 --> 49:47.860 To 49:47.860 --> 49:48.060 Full 49:48.060 --> 49:48.460 Operation 49:48.460 --> 49:48.740 On 49:48.740 --> 49:49.340 Thursday 49:49.340 --> 49:50.140 According 49:50.140 --> 49:50.340 To 49:50.340 --> 49:50.560 U.S. 49:50.620 --> 49:50.800 Attorney 49:50.800 --> 49:51.080 General 49:51.080 --> 49:51.380 John 49:51.380 --> 49:52.300 Ashcroft 49:52.300 --> 49:52.780 Operation 49:52.780 --> 49:53.260 Fastenck 49:53.260 --> 49:53.600 Was the 49:53.600 --> 49:53.760 Most 49:53.760 --> 49:54.040 Far 49:54.040 --> 49:54.280 Reaching 49:54.280 --> 49:54.440 And 49:54.440 --> 49:54.800 Aggressive 49:54.800 --> 49:55.240 Enforcement 49:55.240 --> 49:55.520 Action 49:55.520 --> 49:55.700 Ever 49:55.700 --> 49:55.960 Taken 49:55.960 --> 49:56.140 Against 49:56.140 --> 49:56.480 Illegal 49:56.480 --> 49:57.220 Intellectual 49:57.220 --> 49:57.760 Property 49:57.760 --> 49:58.700 Piracy 49:58.700 --> 49:59.200 Over 49:59.200 --> 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54:21.880 I 54:40.640 --> 54:48.660 I 54:48.660 --> 54:49.580 I 54:49.580 --> 54:49.900 I 54:49.900 --> 54:51.180 I 54:51.180 --> 54:51.700 I 54:51.700 --> 54:56.260 I 54:56.260 --> 55:03.380 he couldn't say he did tell me though that they were not left in a state of disarray that the 55:03.380 --> 55:08.700 fbi technicians helped them get online before they left so they took the time he said they're 55:08.700 --> 55:12.560 very nice they made sure that they had everything up and running and working properly before they 55:12.560 --> 55:20.820 left again positive right um uh these are tim's words here he said 55:20.820 --> 55:27.120 no i'm sorry this is not a quote but uh this is what tim was thinking this is what we got from 55:27.120 --> 55:30.460 our conversation this was just him talking we didn't fully realize the impact of what was 55:30.460 --> 55:35.360 happening until the next day until ashcroft's announcement and apparently and this is what 55:35.360 --> 55:40.480 he told me because i actually didn't hear i guess i i i guess he was he spoke on tv i don't know i 55:40.480 --> 55:46.940 i don't watch tv um he said that apparently ashcroft specifically mentioned education that this was 55:46.940 --> 55:53.800 happening at educational institutions um we then talked about phoenix of course uh and in the hood 55:53.800 --> 56:01.700 there in our hood so i stated at the end i this is what i said i stated uh that i would not speculate 56:01.700 --> 56:09.240 on the uh the double a's influence on the doj's actions and he he like nodded his head over the 56:09.240 --> 56:14.840 phone he's like yeah you know so um i've got a few personal thoughts of what what i got out of that 56:14.840 --> 56:19.260 interview first of all i think he was concerned i think probably everyone was concerned about the 56:19.260 --> 56:24.220 students because he knew their reactions he knew exactly what they were doing um you know that that 56:24.220 --> 56:31.240 time that had happened um so i i think i'm almost positive that that he's he's representative of 56:31.240 --> 56:38.200 that school district and that they definitely have the students um in mind first so uh next again i 56:38.200 --> 56:45.820 think from what i gathered that it's got to be some it guy right or if it's not remote it's more than 56:45.820 --> 56:53.100 likely an insider using their facilities and their pipe to uh you know to spew his rip of passion of 56:53.100 --> 56:58.420 the christ you know so and is that a joke example or is that truly what passion of the christ actually 56:58.420 --> 57:03.540 okay i think that's i'm not going to talk about what i think about religion but whatever 57:03.540 --> 57:09.660 um and then finally um i'm not going to talk about the connection to organized crime i don't think 57:09.660 --> 57:14.700 this has any connection to organized crime the next the next thing you know they're they're going to 57:14.700 --> 57:20.180 start saying that all this piracy and this operation fast link is cracking down on you know 57:20.180 --> 57:25.500 where sites that were supporting terrorism that's the next step there's only one more step to that 57:25.500 --> 57:29.420 you know it's oh we got to get these people because they're organized crime next there's one more 57:29.420 --> 57:33.100 step that's terrorism they know that's just silly because they're just strong arms of 57:33.100 --> 57:41.140 the mpaa on the ra to begin with so again much like al-qaeda they plan they wait and then they 57:41.140 --> 57:50.580 strike they strike in cells distributed cells at the same time all over the world and they get you 57:50.580 --> 57:58.380 they get your evil wear sight so same kind of tactics you just bide your time right and then get 57:58.380 --> 58:03.060 your coordinated effort your coordinated strike on multiple targets just like al-qaeda so that's what 58:03.060 --> 58:10.980 they did and uh i hope they got all the evil wears people um sure i you know great way to go 58:10.980 --> 58:16.440 i don't know that's that by the way that was a personal view i just thought i would i would draw 58:16.440 --> 58:23.280 that uh slight analogy because it was i thought very accurate well that's what happened so if i may 58:23.280 --> 58:30.000 close it was not what i was at first really angered about and that they were raiding this place 58:30.000 --> 58:36.360 because i mean we've seen it before the mother the people go out and sue you know hundreds of 58:36.360 --> 58:42.600 college students right a grandma a kid because they share a few songs i didn't think this was you know 58:42.600 --> 58:47.520 hey i think this is just the next you know logical step right this is logical progression they'll use 58:47.520 --> 58:52.500 the fbi to go and raid little bigger sites you know lots of students sharing stuff at one school 58:52.500 --> 58:57.820 you get the whole school at once and run them up no it wasn't um somebody running a wear site at a 58:57.820 --> 59:04.680 school whatever you know i think i personally i think the mpa or the ra if they've got people 59:04.680 --> 59:09.280 searching stuff they found that site right they've got they've got moles they found that site they told 59:09.280 --> 59:15.360 the fbi and the fbi went and busted it that's what happened right so and if you think that's right 59:15.360 --> 59:22.620 whatever i don't well i don't if i may i didn't want to interrupt or stop you if you were still 59:22.620 --> 59:29.660 going but um i still don't like i mean i granted they had some positive things in here like you said 59:29.660 --> 59:33.300 the way they went about things the way they kept their connectivity up and going and everything 59:33.300 --> 59:41.020 there's some positivity there but i'm not sure about um um when he mentioned actually that um 59:41.020 --> 59:46.540 what did he say there were a few hiccups that was during state required testing so it didn't affect 59:46.540 --> 59:53.660 study right well i don't know i just happen to disagree with that because i'm sorry that even 59:53.660 --> 59:58.380 if they came in there were no guns drawn i understand that they were professional they did they were 59:58.380 --> 01:00:05.500 non-confrontational i understand all that but 12 fbi agents armed with jackets and the sunglasses and 01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:10.720 the earpieces and the whole thing is an intimidating sight regardless that that was at a district 01:00:10.720 --> 01:00:15.040 office that there's a district office in glendale the dear value unified school district is in 01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:18.100 phoenix all the schools and all the kids are in phoenix this is that a district office where there 01:00:18.100 --> 01:00:22.700 were no no children or no students i shouldn't say children there was no students whatever age 01:00:22.700 --> 01:00:28.960 that witnessed any of this school okay so no and that's i thought i thought that as well 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:33.340 uh but no that's not the case yeah i'm thinking if it's in any place where i was going and i'm glad 01:00:33.340 --> 01:00:37.600 you corrected me on that that it's not because that would be scary that if any of these students would 01:00:37.600 --> 01:00:43.920 have seen or witnessed that or word would have got out you know every kid in the school every person 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:49.300 would have been scared to death about what are they here for are they here for me you know so i'm glad 01:00:49.300 --> 01:00:59.080 that is not the case yeah but the bottom line here is that it's still it's they're we're using government 01:00:59.080 --> 01:01:07.260 resources right 12 people to do this huh to be that well i don't know the exact numbers but regardless 01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:11.780 we're using government resources to crack down on this stuff that's just i thought there was a war 01:01:11.780 --> 01:01:18.240 on terrorism which is absolutely idiotic by the way but you know they're just they're basically the 01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:23.000 strong arm of the double a's it's just it's not right apparently there's also a war on intellectual 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:30.240 property apparently so i mean this is this is just absurd i mean and are we gonna stand by and let 01:01:30.240 --> 01:01:34.500 this happen we've got to we've got to do things like this use your social engineering skills and 01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:37.880 learn more and see what happened find out what happened we've got to do this because i'll tell 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.420 you what i'll play devil's advocate here please do a little bit maybe i don't know how much of this 01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:48.040 i'm believing or but i'll pretend let's play let's okay let's say they're running aware site 01:01:48.040 --> 01:01:54.760 are you somehow saying that's okay no no it's not okay i mean 01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:01.020 but in the big scheme of things in what's going on and the number of people that are dying 01:02:01.020 --> 01:02:07.720 iraqis and americans is this really that important apparently it is because there's big money paying 01:02:07.720 --> 01:02:13.760 off these well there's the key go ahead with that it whether you think i'm a crackpot or not this is 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:18.320 what happened i think this is what happened and i'll and i will i will quote i will qualify that 01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.620 with that statement i think this is what happens and it's it's it's fairly obvious i'm sure most will 01:02:22.620 --> 01:02:30.680 agree that this is basically the mpa and ria influencing right government officials to use their 01:02:30.680 --> 01:02:38.340 resources to crack down on intellectual you know property theft that's what it is bottom line 01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:48.120 and this just proves it well i don't know i don't know what to say i can't think of anything 01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:53.260 positive to all the things going on in the world right now and they're cracking down multinational 01:02:53.260 --> 01:03:00.240 hundreds of people millions of dollars it provides way to go it provides jobs i don't know what to say 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:05.260 i don't know what to say it's silly it's absolutely ludicrous what they're doing 01:03:05.260 --> 01:03:09.600 well overreaction overreaction my part are theirs 01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:16.080 hmm and my part are theirs i'm theirs oh absolutely i'm theirs yeah no not yours at all if it was on 01:03:16.080 --> 01:03:21.040 yours i think i would have said something a long time ago and been able to i'm trying to be devil's 01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:25.640 advocate and it's hard and that's not usually hard for me yeah wish rax was here he'd probably be good 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:29.420 yeah you know what actually he would that would be a great rack that's because he's freaking smart 01:03:29.420 --> 01:03:36.240 that's why well yeah of course some left wing nut product of freaking left wing radio i guess that 01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:42.780 makes me a right wing nut so maybe we go pretty good together huh oh so that's the story again the 01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:49.120 bottom line it was not students somebody was running a site using their using their resources 01:03:49.120 --> 01:03:58.040 whether it be remotely or not and the operation fat link and the doj are just yeah no are just the 01:03:58.040 --> 01:04:02.840 hired muscle of the double yeah well you know because the the double a's remember they hit 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:06.800 where they had their roving street teams where they were going out trying to claim that they were 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:11.760 you know agents they were going out there trying to police and threatening people right remember 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.300 those stories where they were out there threatening people to shut them down acting as though they 01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:18.960 were somehow law enforcement or something they had no rights to do that kind of stuff so now 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:24.000 they just pay the people that can do that for them it's all about the money 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:30.340 they somehow convinced you know orrin hatch or whoever you know money to spend lots of money 01:04:30.340 --> 01:04:35.600 to give the fbi the okay to go crack down on all these websites money money money money yeah it's 01:04:35.600 --> 01:04:41.640 not somehow there's a lot more important things there's money there's so many more money you know 01:04:41.640 --> 01:04:45.800 worthwhile things to spend our resources on what happened to this war on terrorism money 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:53.280 yeah money money money yep all right anyway so sorry to take so much time there it should have 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.920 been quicker but uh i want definitely we we got to talk about your story well please please pass on 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:05.960 my thanks to to juan juarez from binary revolution magazine for the interview anytime um tell him i said 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:11.960 thank you that was good stuff and um i that is actually relating back to our little uh social 01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:15.360 engineering discussion earlier there's a good application don't be afraid to call and ask for 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:20.520 ask questions do it you get answers listen to that you get answers you get to hear you know 01:05:20.520 --> 01:05:28.180 by the way i wanted to record it but my sound card sucks ass that's why yeah anyway you know it's funny 01:05:28.180 --> 01:05:33.080 that and we we when we when we had the episode a couple times when we talked about how to make your 01:05:33.080 --> 01:05:37.320 own radio show with all that stuff yeah we explained i remember i went through i bought a 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:43.380 nice expensive sound card right it sucked it does it was really bad i bought dude i bought a 50 01:05:43.380 --> 01:05:52.940 dollar usb omni-directional super conferencing microphone it sucked it was garbage i've been 01:05:52.940 --> 01:05:56.960 finding that out i've been back i'm back to the you know i've been doing the show and everything on 01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:02.240 the on a cheap knockoff what was it mad dog or something like that sound card with a little 01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:09.000 ten dollar lab tech mic and it rocks yeah and absolutely it's just it's stable it's stable 01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.380 i have to go get me one of the mad dogs yeah well i don't know if i'd still get all that far 01:06:13.380 --> 01:06:19.120 it gets the job done but it's not top of the lining um anyway let's talk about your story 01:06:19.120 --> 01:06:26.320 well this is and you know what we let me let me also we're into the show here and i know 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:33.560 people like tech and i know this these two stories are not directly we're not talking about bits and 01:06:33.560 --> 01:06:39.340 bytes we're not talking about all these detailed stuff so but sometimes these are so important 01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:44.940 and they relate so much to the tech community and the hacking community that they need to be said 01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:50.000 this absolutely has to do with technology yeah and this is this is something that you absolutely 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.160 should know about maybe not that it's something technical that you're going to like or you're going 01:06:54.160 --> 01:06:57.300 to be able to sit down and practice but i want you to stop what you're doing if you're chatting 01:06:57.300 --> 01:07:01.420 an irc i hate to tell you to stop but i want you to listen to this story because i want you to think 01:07:01.420 --> 01:07:07.140 about how dangerous and how scary this is to you as a hacker and to preface it to put this in your mind 01:07:07.140 --> 01:07:10.860 as i start to read some of it it's a long story from the new york times i'm not going to read it 01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:16.740 um but i want to put into your mind think about how the media labels us think about what hackers 01:07:16.740 --> 01:07:21.320 are associated with and how people think of hackers and we we're not going to go on a soapbox but we all 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:26.420 know how hackers are viewed we know what we get associated with they throw us around with words 01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:31.480 like terrorists and criminals and stuff like that keep that in mind as you hear the story and apply 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:39.800 how this could turn into something very very bad this particular story actually is um the the the 01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:47.020 topic is computer student on trial for aid to muslim websites this is by timothy egan again it's out of 01:07:47.020 --> 01:07:53.420 the new york times um april 27 2004 if you want to go look up the full text because it is too long 01:07:53.420 --> 01:07:58.180 i'm not going to read all of it however i'll read some of the very very important parts and i want 01:07:58.180 --> 01:08:05.960 you to listen very closely um boise idaho april 23rd not long after the terrorist attacks of september 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:13.340 11th 2001 a group of muslim students led by a saudi arabian doctoral candidate held a candlelight 01:08:13.340 --> 01:08:20.320 vigil in the small college town of moscow idaho and condemned the attacks as an affront to islam 01:08:20.320 --> 01:08:26.860 that means the attacks were smacking islam in the face these people were against it yes they were 01:08:26.860 --> 01:08:31.840 islam but they were saying this is not what we represent this is not what islam about these were 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:37.480 i i'm not going to pours in their mouth but they did not agree with it right and they went out they 01:08:37.480 --> 01:08:42.560 even had a vigil and they stood out and vocally said this makes us look bad this is not what we're 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:46.920 about similar to what we do here sometimes about the hacker being thrown around but anyway i'm sorry 01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:54.100 um today that graduate student and i totally apologize up front if i mispronounce some names here but 01:08:54.100 --> 01:09:01.740 that graduate student sami omar al hussein is on trial in a heavily guarded courtroom here accused of 01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:09.420 plotting to aid and to maintain islamic websites that promote jihad now again this is the person who 01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:12.940 stood out and stood out and said that this is not what it's about that they were completely against 01:09:12.940 --> 01:09:23.560 it yet somehow they still feel that he well i'll go on as a webmaster to several islamic organizations 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:29.900 mr hussein helped to maintain internet sites with links to groups that praised suicide bombings 01:09:29.900 --> 01:09:35.380 in chechnya and israel but he himself i'm going to say this loudly with emphasis 01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:43.980 but he himself does not hold these views his lawyer said his role was like that of a technical 01:09:43.980 --> 01:09:50.320 editor they said arguing that he could not be held criminally liable for what others wrote 01:09:50.320 --> 01:09:56.300 apparently the government doesn't feel the same way because they are going forward with this 01:09:56.300 --> 01:10:02.400 obviously civil libertarians say the case poses a landmark test of what people can do or whom they can 01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:08.940 associate with in the age of terror alerts it is one of the few times anyone has been prosecuted 01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:17.020 under language and the anti-terrorism law known as the usa patriot act which makes it a crime to provide 01:10:17.020 --> 01:10:25.620 quote expert guidance or assistance end quote to groups deemed terrorist now if if you're not 01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:31.940 already pissing in your pants out of fear right now i want you to keep in mind what i told you earlier 01:10:31.940 --> 01:10:39.740 this person clearly stood up he was on newspapers he was on television local news channels filming 01:10:39.740 --> 01:10:46.600 their candlelight vigils speaking out against this but his website this portal this site that he 01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.800 maintained and when i say maintained from a technical standpoint he was the webmaster 01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:56.720 at least of course from what the lawyers say and again i don't know i would love to get in touch 01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:03.720 with this person maybe i can to find out exactly what's going on here he had links to other sites 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:11.480 that allegedly or supposedly were in line with his views and probably maybe they were at some point in 01:11:11.480 --> 01:11:19.320 time how can you is it a webmaster's responsibility think of the logic the logic of this how how difficult 01:11:19.320 --> 01:11:24.520 would it be for a webmaster and it does a webmaster should a webmaster do this you link to this site you go 01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:29.100 out there on monday and the site has everything you agree with it it promotes islam it's about 01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:34.140 your religion it talks about peace and blah so you link to that site you have that on your list of 01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:39.080 links hell even somebody could submit the link and you don't even know about it the link could be 01:11:39.080 --> 01:11:44.620 submitted there you try to police your site as best you can but suddenly someone posts something on 01:11:44.620 --> 01:11:48.900 that other site and again they might not have authorized it may have been posted by a user by some 01:11:48.900 --> 01:11:58.080 random person all of a sudden something a couple links away lands you in jail prosecuted under the 01:11:58.080 --> 01:12:04.660 usa patriot act which again listen to episodes that racks talked about how patriot is is an acronym and 01:12:04.660 --> 01:12:11.060 that it has nothing to do with patriotism and we've talked several several times on the show about 01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:16.060 the abuse and the potential abuse of this act and my god here it is in front of you 01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:22.580 now again go search for this and read the full length of this story because i am not going to go 01:12:22.580 --> 01:12:27.640 into a lot of the details on it because the point that i'm trying to get across i think is clear 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:33.600 we know what the media portrays hackers we know how we get tied in with the word terrorist i mean 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:37.460 let's face it we do right right or wrong and we come on and we fight it and we try to tell people 01:12:37.460 --> 01:12:41.840 don't do that we're not criminals we're not it says so used to say right on the punches on the front of 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:48.000 thankdog.com we are not terrorists criminals or thieves we're not the prosecution team has 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:53.540 resented him as a secret conspirator aiding the cause of terrorism through his computer skills 01:12:53.540 --> 01:13:02.400 does that sound familiar yeah does that sound you know so now suddenly anybody that links to 01:13:02.400 --> 01:13:09.560 a site that they have deemed as terrorist in nature which gee what could that be do you think the 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:12.960 association with hackers with terrorists that comes out sometimes could that be a point 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.980 could that be someone who might be targeted with something like this in the future could this affect 01:13:16.980 --> 01:13:21.820 us you're damn right it could yeah and you should be pissed scared right now hearing something like 01:13:21.820 --> 01:13:27.320 this watching these people's rights be taken away and this is a person who stood out again i'm going 01:13:27.320 --> 01:13:33.160 to repeat it and condemned the actions he did not agree with them he said repeatedly over and over 01:13:33.160 --> 01:13:39.940 that he is absolutely not supportive of that he does not believe in it we don't believe in it the 01:13:39.940 --> 01:13:44.860 candlelight vigil is obviously a front oh well yeah that must be what it was that absolutely must be 01:13:44.860 --> 01:13:54.740 what it was i mean i i mean if they have no other if they've got nothing on him except him linking to 01:13:54.740 --> 01:14:00.180 terrorist sites quote terrorist sites then it's pretty weak and you're absolutely right unless they've got 01:14:00.180 --> 01:14:08.400 some secret case file with lots and lots of his act in for his error then then yeah this is this is 01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:13.620 absolutely this is terrifying to us to people who like technology and it's going to it's terrifying to 01:14:13.620 --> 01:14:19.080 to to think what precedents might be set much like operation fastlink that's why these see these are 01:14:19.080 --> 01:14:23.400 absolutely about technology because it might affect what you can do with technology in the future 01:14:23.400 --> 01:14:30.920 so yeah this guy is apparently from what we are reading in the new york times that we know how 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:36.220 you know reliable they are yeah that could be good or bad right yeah here's here's another line later 01:14:36.220 --> 01:14:42.140 on in here that i thought was pretty pretty interesting it's um quote it's an illustration of how much power 01:14:42.140 --> 01:14:47.960 the government can bring against somebody said john dickinson a retired professor of computer sciences who 01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:54.300 was mr hussein's doctoral advisor at the university of idaho it should scare anybody 01:14:54.300 --> 01:15:02.000 okay oh here here i see i didn't know this and it should any diamond the government charge of mr hussein 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.240 provided here we go i didn't i didn't i didn't see this provided computer advice and assistance 01:15:06.240 --> 01:15:11.180 communication facilities and financial instruments and services that assisted in the creation maintenance 01:15:11.180 --> 01:15:15.560 of internet websites and other internet medium intended to recruit and raise funds to violent jihad 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:21.340 particularly in palestine and chechnya but he did and it was a separate site that he linked to 01:15:21.340 --> 01:15:25.960 whether he knew about it well okay and you know what let's let's step back for a minute and let's 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:30.600 debate oh no no tell me i don't i don't kind of understand this okay it's not much more if from from 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:35.200 what i'm reading it's not much more than putting up links to you know jihad sites already so tell 01:15:35.200 --> 01:15:41.060 what exactly did he do now well okay what you just read was quote from the patriot act i believe 01:15:41.060 --> 01:15:45.300 those were the words from the patriot act that they put on that that's the government charge 01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:48.440 this is what they charged him with this is yeah this is what they charged him and when they 01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:53.160 put it just against him right provided let's see provided computer advice and assistance 01:15:53.160 --> 01:16:02.680 check it communications facilities check server i'm assuming and financial instruments and services 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:07.500 that assisted in the creation and maintenance of internet websites and other okay so basically 01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:13.980 bro's free website and paypal or or when they say i don't know how how that's worded i think 01:16:13.980 --> 01:16:18.740 what if he just gave them web space on a site you know that's what i'm thinking hosted web service 01:16:18.740 --> 01:16:29.180 free or otherwise that's what i'm thinking it's still unclear to me what he did right and and i you know 01:16:29.180 --> 01:16:39.620 and now it's here's another point later on the websites he maintained also pointed posted views 01:16:39.620 --> 01:16:45.920 opposing jihad i mean how many times does he have to come out and say he's opposing and how many 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:52.420 different ways but something you know a link two links five links away how many links away does 01:16:52.420 --> 01:16:57.880 something have to be because last time i checked the whole internet the interweb as decoder would say 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:04.240 the whole internet the whole world wide web is links to links to links technically somehow we're 01:17:04.240 --> 01:17:10.160 linked to that site too absolutely you know what you know who else is google yahoo you know what the 01:17:10.160 --> 01:17:16.160 newyorktimes.com even fbi.fucking gov pardon my language but i'm pretty pissed about this is linked 01:17:16.160 --> 01:17:21.080 to that does that mean they're aiding and abetting because you know packets pass through fbi.gov 01:17:21.080 --> 01:17:26.260 servers to get to this site they aided someone connecting and linking to the site you want to get 01:17:26.260 --> 01:17:31.480 technical bitch let's get technical about this i say that fbi.gov needs to be prosecuted on this 01:17:31.480 --> 01:17:36.080 because they technically if you want to get to the anal letter of the law provided access to this 01:17:36.080 --> 01:17:41.080 site as well and access to terrorist related sites providing that kind of stuff i say they're just as 01:17:41.080 --> 01:17:46.280 guilty oh yeah you know i it's funny i've got a buddy who's in a criminal justice program 01:17:46.280 --> 01:17:56.600 and he gets dod and doj briefings you know powerpoint snoozeville shit that that talk all about suicide 01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:03.680 bombings tell you how to do it show your bombs show you the people show what they do um you know 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:11.500 ambushes everything all the time what the hell so bros like set up paypal he's like set up a shopping 01:18:11.500 --> 01:18:17.380 cart first you know or islamic jihad or something i don't i don't get it i just don't get it 01:18:17.380 --> 01:18:26.200 yeah it's you know what this is just such a reach and this now now i'll tie this back into what your 01:18:26.200 --> 01:18:32.620 story earlier earlier you mentioned to me that this was not something new the way they had the uh 01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:37.580 what was it judicially sealed that was not something new that was not something that was 01:18:37.580 --> 01:18:41.560 you know this big thing that they've done recently under the terrorism or anything well guess what 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:48.920 this is this is the bad things that can happen from it this is directly prosecution under the usa patriot 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:57.780 act so this is why people like the aclu the eff hackers across the world privacy advocates across 01:18:57.780 --> 01:19:02.460 the world have been fighting and have been so animated against this and animate against this 01:19:02.460 --> 01:19:08.320 act and the loopholes and the way it can be abused i mean i don't know what more this guy could have 01:19:08.320 --> 01:19:12.780 done he's come out on the website he came out on television and condemned it he's come out many 01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:19.820 times he's spoken to his lawyers now all completely saying that he's against it now i mean i'm not i'm 01:19:19.820 --> 01:19:25.200 not completely you know i'm not reading one story here and believing everything in it it could be a 01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:30.780 front i'll say that but i don't i i disbelieve it right now i i find that unlikely i mean he could 01:19:30.780 --> 01:19:35.700 be lying his ass off to protect himself now that he's busted but the fact that he did these actions 01:19:35.700 --> 01:19:40.920 like having a candlelight vigil back then when it happened and now here years later he's being 01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:46.500 prosecuted in the usa patriot act that's kind of you know a lot of preparation for something that he 01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:51.820 didn't think or know what happened i mean it does it seems too coincidental to me right so i try to be 01:19:51.820 --> 01:19:55.540 open-minded and try to say okay maybe you know what let's try to be open-minded and say they know more 01:19:55.540 --> 01:20:00.720 than we do they have more information than we do i really find it awfully coincidental a lot of this 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:07.280 information a lot of the things that they're basing this whole suit on this whole yeah it is you know 01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:11.600 honestly i think this guy was just active in communities that the federal government doesn't 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:18.160 approve of i think that's the bottom line you know it's all and as you know you read and i've read this 01:20:18.160 --> 01:20:24.240 i'm reading this stuff again and again and it's still just a mishmash you know he supports this group 01:20:24.240 --> 01:20:31.260 that that you know just wants to spread islam and the government says that it's you know supporting 01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:39.180 violence against you know the the heathens that we are you know um who knows i think you're right 01:20:39.180 --> 01:20:44.540 i think this is very important well and you know here's a this is this if not angered you know yeah 01:20:44.540 --> 01:20:49.840 this very this final paragraph of the article is very is again this will put it into some perspective 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:55.300 if you think we're exaggerating it and you think oh yeah well this guy was he was islam and if you 01:20:55.300 --> 01:21:00.340 if you're racist or you think that everybody in this feels this way or everybody let me put this this 01:21:00.340 --> 01:21:04.580 puts it into a little bit of perspective that everybody can associate with um this is a quote 01:21:04.580 --> 01:21:09.740 from somebody from the aclu it says we very much wanted to be involved in this case because it is by 01:21:09.740 --> 01:21:15.660 far the most radical prosecution we've ever seen i'm sorry we've seen under the patriot act 01:21:15.660 --> 01:21:21.340 said ann beeson associate legal director of the national aclu the american civil liberties union 01:21:21.340 --> 01:21:27.440 of course you shouldn't be held liable for what somebody else said i can't believe that has to be 01:21:27.440 --> 01:21:32.480 stated first of all i can't believe that that sentence even had to be written uttered or spoken 01:21:32.480 --> 01:21:40.860 aloud i can't believe my god that that has to be said in this world but you shouldn't be held liable 01:21:40.860 --> 01:21:47.960 for what somebody else said under this theory you could charge the electrician who services the wrong 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:55.160 client right and that doesn't scare you as a listener that doesn't scare you as a reader of 01:21:55.160 --> 01:22:02.220 these articles that doesn't scare you as an american citizen it should it very much should and then 01:22:02.220 --> 01:22:07.000 and that's just as an american citizen now again i mentioned earlier keep in mind hackers and i think 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:13.860 everyone's seen it by now but they think we're terrorists we know we're not i know i'm not i know 01:22:13.860 --> 01:22:18.860 i'm not into terrorism i know i'm not a thief i know i'm not a criminal and i'm coming out on this show 01:22:18.860 --> 01:22:25.280 and saying it right now but they could pound down my door next week the same way oh well you know you're 01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:30.800 running a site that promotes terrorism and i have paypal being by my magazine i'm putting propaganda 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:36.980 my teaching terrorism or something with all this stuff no you're speaking positively of this guy who set up 01:22:36.980 --> 01:22:45.060 paypal for this islamic charity you're a terrorist hacker you yeah don't be now now wait wait back up 01:22:45.060 --> 01:22:50.580 wait let's no no i want to keep scaring the people anybody that links anybody has our link box to 01:22:50.580 --> 01:22:57.780 binrev.com you're guilty too they're coming for you and if you link to that person's site they're coming 01:22:57.780 --> 01:23:03.560 for you too and your friend who linked to your site from their blog they're coming for you and all the 01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:09.060 songs that we get from mp3.com and frontalot.com and all the musicians that are just putting out 01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:15.420 music are linked to our site they're coming for you too yeah until there's no one we should fear for 01:23:15.420 --> 01:23:22.780 our intellectual freedom we should not be scared right well of course i'm exaggerating just to let 01:23:22.780 --> 01:23:28.060 people realize exactly how serious this is right and it's very important it absolutely has to do with 01:23:28.060 --> 01:23:33.480 technology and that's that's a good rant by the way you're very i didn't you know what i didn't 01:23:33.480 --> 01:23:39.620 expect one of those in a long time i i because you know what i again i back to the listeners you 01:23:39.620 --> 01:23:43.640 know i try to keep this tech oriented as much as we can because that's what i like but damn it 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:50.160 sometimes people need to hear these things yes i know this is not tech well last week we had the 01:23:50.160 --> 01:23:54.260 google which i thought was some good stuff earlier actually i had talked about out uh access a little 01:23:54.260 --> 01:23:57.500 bit that could have been you know that was some good tech for this content and we'll go back to 01:23:57.500 --> 01:24:02.860 it next week but damn it this is important i hope you didn't fast forward through this rant thinking 01:24:02.860 --> 01:24:07.260 oh more political crap i hope you listen to this i hope you go out there let me and i'm going to go 01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:12.780 back i don't have a link i'll try to put it in the show notes when we get those up uh timothy egan 01:24:12.780 --> 01:24:19.800 e-g-a-n from the new york times company computer student on trial for aid to muslim website search for 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:24.460 that i'm sure you'll get other information that happened in boise idaho april 23rd the exact date 01:24:24.460 --> 01:24:31.460 um you know go out there and read this stuff happens and i'm bringing it up here because 01:24:31.460 --> 01:24:36.580 doggone it it's important and it is important to us as hackers it's important to us as american 01:24:36.580 --> 01:24:41.680 citizens can i can i close the loop here snake yes i am done with it so you can have the final word 01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:47.660 okay let's close the loop here let's let's complete the circle let's be real then about this what i 01:24:47.660 --> 01:24:53.120 discussed earlier focus let's make sure we as a community are focused let's make sure we are 01:24:53.120 --> 01:24:58.860 educated about things like this and let's make sure we can do positive things about that and that means 01:24:58.860 --> 01:25:04.660 continuing to hack continuing to create and continuing to use technology in the ways that 01:25:04.660 --> 01:25:11.140 you see fit and others don't so we must know about these things because it's absolutely about technology 01:25:11.140 --> 01:25:18.640 it's absolutely about about how we want to use it right the right crazy wacky things we want to do 01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:23.160 with it are zany antics hey the definition we had out of the book earlier that uh read that the listener 01:25:23.160 --> 01:25:31.540 sent in so let's make sure we we use things like this and let's be active um let's let's i and share the 01:25:31.540 --> 01:25:38.640 story with people let the look at the word out let people hear it i was gonna say the f word thank you 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:45.020 not not not no no not not the four-letter word the five-letter word fight um i was gonna say fight 01:25:45.020 --> 01:25:50.700 things like this but let's let's not say that because they probably wouldn't like that let's let's 01:25:50.700 --> 01:25:59.140 be active let's be proactive let's educate ourselves each other and others yes positive positive positivity 01:25:59.140 --> 01:26:09.640 yes all right well um i think we're done i think we're done yeah let's wrap it up um shout outs um 01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:17.640 if i may i'll go ahead and just shout out to decoder lucky 225 doug rigel5 royal everybody who's been on 01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:21.760 default radio and there's been a lot of them so i didn't leave anybody out intentionally but there's 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:26.200 been a lot of people that's the show i listen to when i get to work monday every day i can't listen 01:26:26.200 --> 01:26:30.880 to it friday nights usually because i'm out working or something else so i listen to it monday 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:35.920 during work makes my day makes me laugh gives me something great to listen to so shouts to all those 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:41.880 guys from me same here man i love default radio that's funny stuff it's so much fun it's hilarious 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:47.700 decoder's my hero yeah and shouts to kizzle for doing his show i dig that uh i dig that 10 minute 01:26:47.700 --> 01:26:53.080 format that's kind of cool i'm gonna be pimping that on old school freak and uh shouts to my 01:26:53.080 --> 01:27:02.780 dog stank shout to my dogs mute and bland and uh and all the phoenix crew yeah i really enjoy all 01:27:02.780 --> 01:27:08.500 the radio that's been coming out the phone shows right uber lido uh yeah it's a lot of fun it's a 01:27:08.500 --> 01:27:13.600 lot of fun lots of good stuff hacks or radio dtmf there's a lot of stuff coming out hopefully some 01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:19.900 of it will stick around we'll see yeah it will um a reminder that 2600 meetings are coming up this 01:27:19.900 --> 01:27:25.620 friday like i said if you've never been go check it out you know what even if and i don't know if 01:27:25.620 --> 01:27:29.580 i should say this even if you don't go talk to people just kind of walk past it and listen get 01:27:29.580 --> 01:27:33.780 an idea what it's like what it's for i bet you'll get pulled in to sit down if you just go give it a 01:27:33.780 --> 01:27:38.540 chance yeah it's good stuff just go sit and talk tech with a bunch of geeks if nothing else you know 01:27:38.540 --> 01:27:43.960 don't have to get into a bunch of presentations and projects and corny stuff just stop talk listen 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:50.000 you know hang out right you know what i i gotta do this too because i i've i've been listening to 01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:56.520 it i have to give shouts to ram radio and and um and sam and his show and smokehouse that's a good 01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:02.520 show i've been listening to it and i do enjoy it okay seriously so i because i i really i miss 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:07.680 sean k's radio show a lot that was that was my favorite shit in the whole world his his radio show 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:12.960 and it's gone but ramspeak is the closest thing to it so i've been enjoying that so good 01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.840 shouts around radio and i've been listening to industrial station because you can only take so 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:21.280 much of digitally imported so i've been listening to the industrial station that's some good shit so 01:28:21.280 --> 01:28:27.880 good glad to hear that um email feedback for any of the stuff we've talked about on the show radio 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:33.400 at binrev.com articles if you want to submit articles for the magazine send them to articles 01:28:33.400 --> 01:28:38.700 at binrev.com the sooner we get enough good articles the sooner the magazine will come out 01:28:38.700 --> 01:28:45.180 bottom line period and since you since you mentioned kizzle shouts to him because he 01:28:45.180 --> 01:28:50.920 recommended our closing music tonight a group called optimus rhyme and this is a track called 01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:57.460 fuzzy dice a little nerdcore hip-hop for you and dual thank you again for being on the show for 01:28:57.460 --> 01:29:03.960 plugging in with us for a little while thank you i'm sweating from ranting get me so hyped up during 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:08.160 the show doggone it yeah i missed that that's one of my favorite pieces of radio as well your rants 01:29:08.160 --> 01:29:13.440 classic yeah i'm trying to keep my blood pressure down so you're trying to kill me you're trying to 01:29:13.440 --> 01:29:18.100 get my blood pressure up man all right but i guess that's going to do it unless you had anything else 01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:24.840 i guess we'll uh close it out what do you think sounds good see everybody next week same hack time 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:27.740 three four 01:29:27.740 --> 01:29:32.480 all right let's see here fuzzy dice check 01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:40.900 wacker cross bobble head dog check diesel infant uh check cool look at me i'm a taxi cab driver go 01:29:40.900 --> 01:29:46.640 down the street scope potential riders hey girl where you going what's up dude i'll pick you there if 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:52.720 you got that look are you checking me i'm just a taxi cab driver i charge a fee it's credits for saliva 01:29:52.720 --> 01:29:57.500 yo bot just keep your grill off the weather we'll go through two time zones here together 01:29:57.500 --> 01:30:03.880 i got my boss on my back for a little hit and run i light up media rights for fun i work through the night 01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:08.380 yo i never see the sun channeling dead bots they took my solar paneling for fun 01:30:08.380 --> 01:30:14.380 oh fuckers now i gotta refuel more frequently play my round about a week in advance there's no chance for 01:30:14.380 --> 01:30:19.600 a bot like me never should have been dead on but then you simply climb i'm missing gears like you 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:25.180 wouldn't believe cheated on my caviar exam for bank pedigree now here's a band that i think i should 01:30:25.180 --> 01:30:30.840 take these human females man they always tip great hop on in what's happening where you headed ladies 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:35.320 they pointed straight off i hit the helium pedal i don't mean the metal girls but this neighborhood 01:30:35.320 --> 01:30:40.520 is climbing what you're doing here with your nice and shiny boots i heard a boom and i turned to look 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:45.760 behind me these earth girls melted down to mortal magma doors those fuckers always leaving lava on my 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:51.840 formats as they walk from one light form to another then i'm gonna get the last laugh i got a door that's 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:57.760 electric i'll shock him down the further huh now that i'm up i'ma stop by the depot my boss gets around 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:03.760 two and it's three so i think i'm safe i hit the keypad eight seven eight secret pass card denied oh great 01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:09.360 man that's all i need did not forget my cavi b i grab me three batteries they deval for three then i hit the 01:31:09.360 --> 01:31:13.840 scene i gotta call the imperial war got some drunk vibes at the queen's ball 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:14.960 yes yes y'all 01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:19.600 throws up a class box a stack they tissue from the credits they not even look back so i'm gone 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:24.160 but right this life might prove beneficial so facetime with the realm of official 01:31:24.160 --> 01:31:40.320 hey yo look at me i'm a taxi cab driver go down the street scope potential riders hey girl 01:31:40.320 --> 01:31:45.280 where you going what's up dude i'll take you there if you got that room yo you're checking me 01:31:45.280 --> 01:31:51.600 i'm just a taxi cab driver i told your feet it's credit to saliva hey just keep your grill off the 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:57.120 letter we'll go through two times don't hit together i'm pushing my grandma key across 520 01:31:57.120 --> 01:32:02.560 seattle fares ain't shit east siders have plenty to spare swear away with that bastard dispatcher i'm 01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:08.240 still making more than i did with that rap shit i'm well known by the cops in this section my expired 01:32:08.240 --> 01:32:13.520 tabs give them all an erection the intersection is packed with other cabbies collecting the cheese 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:19.200 yo exploiting the japanese i got clearance to land on earth beta because my fake data comes from 01:32:19.200 --> 01:32:25.760 the mess makers i've got a cap to rent any takers if not i'll just sit right back and read the paper 01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:31.760 bootleggers and pimps black is the market around the block kids circling my cockpit i got a glock 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:37.520 cocked inside my pocket don't matter how cocky you are you can't stop it picked up a couple at a bar up 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:43.920 on 35th i'll be back folks unless you got a cigarette went inside grabbed a carton of carlton's came back 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:49.520 out holy shit my fucking car's gone now you can skip on a tip i'll be a ijo and maybe ride without 01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:55.120 pain hey i'll let it go but if you're jacking my ride i'm playing hero reanimate kubrick i feel like 01:32:55.120 --> 01:33:00.800 de niro gun touching smoking wide open my eyes penetrate the disguise of freeloading that's 01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:06.320 criminals now under the impression i'ma let him go i ain't eastwood but the shit is unforgivable 01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:11.520 not a word to say i took all of the clothes away stashed the heat in the ashtrays lit up the broadway 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:27.920 it's okay kids i know you ain't gay so i'ma end this with a fuck you but have a nice day 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:40.880 all the visual intelligence is overrated i'm never gonna make it but i hate it out here 01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:45.680 i wish i was a toaster oven some dude's basement oh what the fuck man i'm stuck in fourth gear 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:50.560 but fuckers i paid it just to only play my brake pads but i could tell they had a transmission fetish 01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:55.040 i could see it in the shitty eyeballs it was sad they saw my seven speed it probably busted out the 01:33:55.680 --> 01:34:00.560 i've got me into that a point to do or whatever it's very bad faster 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:10.240 so i'm never gonna make it but i hate it out here i waited all year and i still get up and take it 01:34:10.240 --> 01:34:12.660 Yo, I'm never gonna make it, but I hate it out here. 01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:13.860 I'll swallow my beer. 01:34:13.980 --> 01:34:15.640 Then I'll step up and I'll sing your song 01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:16.800 and I'll do it someday. 01:34:18.400 --> 01:34:20.680 I'm gonna step up and I'll sing your song 01:34:20.680 --> 01:34:21.600 and I'll sing your song 01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:23.440 and I'll sing your song 01:34:23.440 --> 01:34:23.620 And I'll do it someday. 01:34:23.620 --> 01:34:24.600 I'm gonna step up and I'll sing your song 01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:25.540 and I'll sing your song 01:34:25.540 --> 01:34:26.300 and I'll sing your song 01:34:26.300 --> 01:34:26.840 and I'll sing your song 01:34:26.860 --> 01:34:28.760 and I'll sing your song 01:34:28.760 --> 01:34:30.280 And I'll sing your song 01:34:30.280 --> 01:34:31.140 and I'll sing your song 01:34:31.140 --> 01:34:32.260 and I'll sing your song