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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
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I was a dick with my 56
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In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats
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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
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Alright
Welcome everyone
To Binary Revolution Radio
Where the customer is always right
I am joined this week
By the infamous one himself
The one and only Dual Parallel
What's up, Stank?
What's up, Mr. Parallel?
It's been a long time
How's Mrs. Parallel?
It's doing well
Doing well
It's hot
First time we've had you on the show
You've been unplugged for quite a while
I think that's been going pretty well for you
Yeah, I'm kind of digging it
I bet you are
I get to screw up a lot of stuff
I get to write for a little while
And I do this, I do that
It's really nice
Very cool
We're going to plug you back in for an hour or so
How's that?
Sounds bueno
Bueno?
Bueno
Alright, well
What you just heard on the opening
What the listeners just heard
Was a tech support call
From Dell Computers
Never been heard before
That's an exclusive
From Binary Revolution Radio
They're
Submitted by a friend of the show
Who we can't really talk about
Because we don't want to get anybody in trouble
Because they're on the inside of the system
So
I hope you enjoyed that
I thought it was pretty funny
And we'll also
Let's see
In the housekeeping
Remind everybody
That there are
2,600 meetings
Coming this Friday
Are you going to be able to make yours this Friday?
No, I will not
Next month though
For sure
Next month
Alright
Yeah, I think I'll
Hopefully make mine this Friday
If I can
I'm jealous
Man, if you can go, go
I mean, I wish I could go every month
Yeah, I just
I have to
Factor in the cost
Of what else I could be working on
Because I have such
A small amount of free time
But anyway
I'm not going there
Yeah, it's
You know, it's just cool to hang out
Even if it's just hanging out
And talking with people
Talking tech
And talking geek
That to me is worth it
It's just fun to go do, you know
Amen
Praise the Lord
So if you have
Hey, listeners that go
Or have go regularly
That's great
If you're a listener
Who's never gone before
Go check it out
If you don't like it
You don't have to go back
But go check it out once
Go check it out this Friday
Make that your
Cinco de Mayo
Actually, what day does that fall on this?
What's Friday the 7th?
It falls on the 5th
No, it doesn't
It's on the 7th
But Friday the 7th
No, Cinco de Mayo
It falls on the 5th
Oh, I know
I was saying it might be funny
If it falls on the 5th
Oh, if that was
Ah, yes
No, it's Friday the 7th
Nah
Oh, well
Close enough
Cinco is 5
Cieto de Mayo
Right?
Siete de Mayo
Is that right?
Yeah, Cinco de Mayo
Oh, shit
What's that?
That's cool
That would be
The monkey cat
Jumping onto the computer
Next to him
Dude, awesome
Stupid cat
What'd he do?
What'd he screw up?
Oh, he jumped on the keyboard
I don't know
It's a headless machine
So I don't know
What the hell happened
Dude, when the show's over with
Oh, man, this is bad radio
I'm sorry
Alright, back to the show
Bitch and see what happens
Oh, I'm not gonna connect to that right now
I don't wanna
I'm Rick James, bitch
That's the Bland, by the way
Yeah, Bland
We'll put him
We gotta shout out to Bland
We can invest
Oh, no, go ahead
Go ahead
Alright, let's jump back in here
I'm sorry, the monkey cat
Just screwed the whole thing up
Recording, right?
Yeah, we're recording
The show's going
I'm not stopping it
I'm not editing it out
That's a sign, dude
I'm on the show
That happens, dude
What does the sign mean?
I don't know
Oh, okay, it's just a sign
Okay
Like you scare the hell out of cats
Is that what the sign is?
I scare pussy
Oh, man
Oh, that's a good outtake
Except it's not an outtake
It's staying in the show
Alright, anyway
Let's jump into some email
We gotta
You know what?
We have a lot of
Serious topics coming up
We're joking now
Let's go through some email
Some good stuff
Do a quick
What's happening
Kind of section
And then jump into
Some serious topics
Because you and I
Both have some serious topics
We wanted to talk about
So I wanna make sure
We give them the time
That they so richly deserve
So, first email I got
Is from
Neg Output
Which I think
That's a cool name
By the way
And he says
Hey, Stank
Thanks for my email
Readout on the air
Last week we read
His email
I will try to
He's the wildest guy
The wildest
Yeah, I'm just wild
That's a cool word, man
Prop stand for
Knowing the language
Yeah, right
Okay, he says
I will try to scan a copy
Of the Cave Clan
Drain magazine
For all to check out
And I will definitely see
If I can make some great video
Of an exploration
With a cool twist
Like popping up
A manhole cover
In the middle of
The main street
Of central Sydney
Dude, how cool would that be?
Very cool
That's a cool idea
I'll be your hookup
For the show's grammar
See, awesome
That's good stuff right there
I'm all about that
I just heard a piece
On NPR
And they were speaking
To some woman
About punctuation
That she was going on
About, you know
Colons and semicolons
And apostrophies
And I dug that
That's, okay
That was weird
Yeah, that's weird
I thought it was
Goal, so props to this guy
You know what
If I'm writing something formal
I'm all about it too
I'm very careful
But man
Okay, good
This is where you and I differ
Like in IMs
I couldn't care less
I don't correct myself
In an instant message
I mean either
Not anymore
I've had to train myself
To, you know
Not capitalize
Oh, okay
See, I thought you used to
Give me some hell about
I did
Because I used to do it too
But now I'm just all
You know
Whatever
As long as the point gets across
Anyway, he says
I logged myself into your forum
So I hope to chat
To you all sometime
Again, that was from
Neg Output
Thank you again for the email
Welcome to the forums
There's a little drama
Going on right now
Just ignore that
Pretend it's not happening
Just go on with life
There's a lot of good content
A lot of good stuff out there
And I'm sure you will enjoy
I hope you'll enjoy
I can't wait to see the video
I think that sounds really cool
So as soon as you can
Send that to us
Or upload it
Or just email me
We'll work something out
To get it uploaded
And the grammar thing
Like we just said
I don't know if you realize
What you're in for here
Yeah
We can get
Oh, that's what
We don't need it
We speak good
Yeah, we speak
Darn good
We speak well
See, I corrected it
I did it the right way
Me am speaking good English
Alrighty, anyway
Yeah, you got your work
Cut out for it
On the grammar part
Another email
From Alpha Omega 13
Who state
And this one's a little longer
Hey Stank Dog
I have been listening
To your show now
For almost six months
Great job
I have enjoyed every episode
Props to you
And all of the hackers
That listen and contribute
To you and your show
Also props to those
Who know how to
RTFM
Which of course
Is read the freaking manual
The reason for the email
Is to type an obscure passage
In a book
That I am reading
The book is
Hacker's Delight
By Henry S. Warren Jr.
Written in 2003
The passage is on page 14
XIV
Which is in the introduction
Actually, I believe
Middle paragraph
And it states
And I quote
Finally, I should mention
That the term hacker
In the title
Is meant in the original sense
Of an aficionado
Of computers
Someone who enjoys
Making computers
Do new things
Or do old things
In a new and clever way
The hacker
Is usually quite good
At his craft
But may very well
Not be a professional
Computer programmer
Or designer
The hacker's work
May be useful
Or just be a game
As an example
Of the latter
More than one hacker
Has written a program
Which, when executed
Writes out an exact copy
Of itself
This is the sense
That we use the term
Hacker
There's also a little
Example program here
That I can't quite read
In the air
It won't interpret well
But he goes on to say
I don't think
That hacker
Could have been
Defined better
One more topic
It is about hack TV
Good job
I liked hack TV
It was very informational
With the exception
Of the cold air
Induction system
On your car
I thought that
It was kind of lame
That is just my opinion
But I think that
Your listeners
And now watchers
Would appreciate
Just sticking to
The war driving
And things of that nature
If we wanted to know
About your car
Then maybe
Have a show called
Hacked Gearheads
Or something
To that degree
Suggestion
The comments
That you cannot finish
Due to legal implications
Or whatever
Why not animate them
In flash
Or swish
Then maybe
You could finish them
Then you could finish them
You cannot arrest
A digital cartoon
This is all purely
Suggestions and opinions
I am probably
One of your most
Loyal listeners
And watchers
Good job
On everything
That you have done
Today
Keep up the excellent work
Okay
First of all
Thank you very much
For this email
I like
Someone pointing out
And being honest
Without being insulting
And personal
In their attacks
Making suggestions
Yeah
Absolutely
And that
I appreciate
I respect
And I'll listen to
And quite frankly
I do have
First of all
The flash animation
I like that idea
I do think that's cool
I don't know that
That's going to
Necessarily cover us
On the legal
Edge of things
But I think
It might just be
An interesting twist
Something to do differently
I'm not sure
I don't think
That would fly
Yeah
I don't know
That it's going to
Cover us legally
On everything
But on some things
It might
On some things
It might
So anyway
It is still
A good suggestion
And I think
It might just make
Things more interesting
From an artistic standpoint
If nothing else
This is a lot of people
Off
Think about it
Think about the audience
Consider the audience
They don't like
Flash already
Like on the interweb
So
Yeah but this is
Going to be
Embedded in the video
I know
So
I want to see
Live action baby
Well we'll see
How it works out
If there's a chance
To use it
I mean I didn't
Even have it
In my mind
To consider before
And now I do
So just
As another option
I think
It's a very good idea
Of course I don't
Know the first thing
About flash
I have no artistic
Time
I've talked about
That before
I can draw
Stick figures
With penises
I'm pretty good
At that
That's about it
Dude
That's all my
Artistic artwork man
That's all I can do
Let's see
Oh the
Okay the actual
The main thing
Here was that
Passage from the book
That's actually
Pretty accurate
And something
And it's good
That you're on here
Because you and I
Say this a lot
I know Rax agrees
And says this a lot
No one really
Gets the true
Definition of a hacker
And one reason
Because of that
Is because there
Is no one
Plain
Textbook definition
Of a hacker
Really
You know
I think
Alpha's correct
You did find
Probably one of
The best definitions
Of it
Yeah
Absolutely
And you know
It's about the mindset
And try to figure out
What the
The way the person
Is thinking
And being able
To think that way
To me
That kind of
Makes a hacker
And I know
That's not a good
Textbook definition
To memorize
In a class
Or something like that
Well if hackers
Weren't so OCD
And anal
They wouldn't be
Talking about
The definitions
All the time
Well yeah
I'm a little bit
On the
I'm a little bit
OCD though
So what can I tell you
There you go
But yeah
In this particular case
I'm not
Because you know
I said it before
You can't
Trying to define a hacker
How did I say one time
I was like
Trying to
I don't remember
Something about
Trying to catch the wind
Trying to grab
A handful of water
I think that's what I said
I don't know
Something corny like that
Yeah I mean
People try to
Try to define hackers
Based on actions
And applications
Of programs
And somebody writes
A cool program
And it's used to
Create a virus
Somehow they use that
To define the hacker
Instead of the intent
And the mindset
Of coming up with
Such a cool app
A cool program
Or something
If it's applied
Some other way
That's
You know
That's like afterwards
That's trying to
Define something afterwards
And it's not quite
The same
But yeah
Exactly what he said
Trying to make
Something work better
More efficiently
Than it did before
Doing it in a new way
That's never been thought of
Those are the things
That really show
The mindset of a hacker
You know
I agree
So programming
Is a big part
Of that obviously
The books
Have you heard
Of this book before
I've heard the name before
Hackers Delight
Isn't that
Yeah it's like
All about
Type code
And real creative
Elegant kind of stuff
I think I have heard of it
Right right
It's not all that obscure
It's just not
Your stereotypical
You know when you go
To the bookstore
And you see
All the hacking books
It's always how to
Hack proof your network
And hacking Linux
And hacking blah
It's not one of those
Stereotypical hacking books
It's a programming book
Yeah
Showing some neat tricks
And hacks
So it is
Actually got some
You know
Some good reviews
And it's fairly well known
But yeah
Actually I'm kind of
Motivated to go look
For that myself now
I might go check that out
Oh I bet
That's a good book
Yeah
Now as far as
The car hacking segment
To get to the actual
Descriptions here
Some people liked it
Some didn't
And of course
That's going to happen
With all of them
You know
That's just going to
Happen with everything
But
I'll tell you this
I will not
See we say
Again
There's something else
We say on the show
All the time
And maybe you'll
Back me up on this
I know
Is that
Hacking isn't just computers
You know
We have
Even just within
I mean
Freakers are considered
Hackers
But they're dealing
With the phone system
So there's different
So there's different types
Of hacking
And different things
That are on the fringe
And on the borderline
And you know
I kind of think
Modifying and changing
Your car from its default
To something different
Is and other people
Might not
However I do realize
That it kind of gets
A little mechanical
And might not be
Interest to everyone
So I'm going to have
One more segment
On there
That's probably
A little bit more
Appropriate
Based on a couple
People's ideas
Of not liking the car
It's going to be
A little bit more technical
Less mechanical in nature
And I don't want to go
Into too much detail
On exactly what it is
I'll leave it a surprise
But it'll be a lot more
Technical
As it relates to the car
As the computer
And stuff like that
Relates to the car
So maybe that'll be
A little bit more appropriate
But we'll try
One more segment
See how that goes
But also
You know
We are still going to
Focus mostly on
The computer stuff
But there is going
To be freaking
There's going to be
Urban exploration
There's going to be
Hardware stuff
Of all different types
I think if we did
A 30 minute
War driving every time
It's going to get
Pretty stale
And pretty old fast
So I want to mix
It all up
Quite a bit
So that's what
I'm trying to do
I enjoyed it
I agree with you
That we shouldn't
Pigeon hole hacking
To just computers
If yeah
A segment every week
On cars
Yeah it might be
A bit much
Right
But it was in
The first one
So I guess people
Are scared that there
Will be one
Every single episode
And that's not the case
Let me assure you
Don't worry
There might be one
Scattered here and there
And there will be one
In the next episode
We've already started
But it will be
Like I said
Tech related
But no it's not
Going to be like that
Every time
We want it to be
Spontaneous and different
So
Yeah
Well I'm glad he wrote in
And think that he didn't like it
That's good
Well and it's productive
That's productive criticism
Not
Absolutely
That's good stuff right there
Yeah
Alright anyway
A couple quick emails
He's enlightened
I'm sorry
He's enlightened
Yes
A couple quick emails
These are kind of follow ups
To the back to back episodes
With Rax
We talked about some
Mail issues
And even last week
M-A-L-E
M-A-I-L
Thank you very much
Although I have a great
I might have to put this
In episode 50
I made a call to
Never mind
We'll talk about that later
Speaking of M-A-L-E
We got an email
From Pig Monkey
Which I think
Is going to
I love that name
Oh yeah
That's a cool
Original name
Pig Monkey
That's great
That's good stuff
He just drops a quick note
He says
Rax mentioned
Hushmail on episode 42
Here's a similar project
Crypto Mail
It's at
CryptoMail.org
That's
C-R-Y
P-T-O-M-A-I-L
Dot org
I think
I still think
Everybody should just
Get a
G-P-G
Slash
P-G-P-Key
Say that fast
The world would be
A much happier place
But that's never
Going to happen
So
Yeah I wish that
Happened well
You're right
Reality is
It's not going to happen
But thanks for the
Suggestion
CryptoMail.org
For those of you
Who want to try
A couple different
Webmail clients
There's another one
For you to check out
Before you leave
Monkey's email
I have to thank
Pig Monkey
He said some great
Dirt about PWF
Which may come up
Later in the show
So thank you
Very much to him
And he's right
Everybody should
Get a G-P-G key
Everybody should
Use encryption
Actually you can
Go to Old School Freak
And get mine
And actually
Bland
Bland lost his
Secret key
So I'm taking
His public key
Down as we speak
So yeah
Please use
Encryption
If you can
If you want
Because you should
Yeah and I
You know what
I have to
I can't say anything
About Bland
Because I'm in the
Same boat
I end up having
To remake a new
Key and start over
So many times
That
But he
I don't know
What happened
But now
Now he's
Got hooked up
With the USB
Key drive
If you know
If you don't
Have one
Go get one
Even one of
The small ones
And stick your
Keys on there
Yeah
It's just the
Best thing in the
World
Yeah
Excellent
Excellent suggestion
Plus they're handy
In so many other
Ways
Amen to that
As a matter of
Fact I'll throw
In a little tip
Since you brought
It up
Distributed.net
Client baby
Put it on a key
Unzipped
Configured with
The INI file
With your email
Already in it
So that all
You gotta do
Plug it in
Drag the files
Over
And unplug
And it's on
The system
Running
Configured
Ready to go
Oh no kidding
That's pretty
Good stuff
In out
30 seconds
You're done
Man and you
Own the system
You got it
Plugging away
I'm just
You know
Theoretically of course
Absolutely
Kiosk
Operation Kisok Freedom
You never did
Fix that
You know
You don't even
Know what I'm
Talking about
Do you
Operate
No
You said
In and out
30 seconds
I thought
Never mind
Yeah
My
Operation Kiosk Freedom
The pictures
The pictures I took
From my cell phone
My camera phone
You misspelled it
On the title of the page
It says
Operation Kiosk Freedom
Really
Yeah
Hold on
You go verify that
While I go on to the next email
Now see I need that kind of stuff
I told you once before
And I'm sure it was like in passing
Oh fuck
Can I remember
Yeah I'm sure it was in passing
And you forgot
Oh I just
Okay keep going
Another email along the same lines
From Dell
D-E-L
One L
Not Dell Computers
Says
Hey I was listening to someone
Who emailed you
And said that
Yahoo.co.uk
Gives 6 megabyte
Email accounts
I just emailed to point out
That Yahoo.ca
Which is Canada I believe
Also gives 6 megabyte accounts
The address is even shorter
Than Yahoo.com
And there is more space
Well
Yeah
One letter shorter than .com
I guess
If that's a bonus
But
It is still a good tip
Nonetheless
6 megabyte email
Is more than they give you
At Yahoo apparently
From what we've been able
To establish
So
Yeah I think that was
Decoder who gave us
That tip last time
About the UK
And CA
Also another great alternative
Great idea
And it's in English
So
Good suggestions
Did you hear that
That tone
You dropped
And I heard a
And I heard a tone
And it wasn't
It wasn't the caller ID
It was
Like a
Very
Short DTMF
Did you hear that
I did not hear anything
No
You dropped on my end
And there was a
Very
It sounded like a
Very very short
DTMF
Anyway sorry about that
That is strange
Because I didn't hear a thing
And
I don't have any kind of
You know my broke ass
I don't have any features
Or anything on this call
Another call
Because I haven't heard anything
You know I'll
You know you hear the
Right
But
Well if we've got a
Fed on the line
Feel free to chime in
Anytime if you have
Some suggestions
It's weird
Again another sign
And
Do do do do do do do do
Okay so
Kiosk
Freedom is fixed
Okay
Kind of
It's kind of getting
Used to Kisok
Freedom now
Yeah and I removed
Bland's public key
Hopefully he'll send
Another shortly
Alright so
Killing two birds
With one stone here
Right
Alright and our last
Email which is
Great segue
You mentioned it earlier
And this will segue
Into you
Is I got an email
From AlphaFlood
That's a freaking
Cool handle right there
That is pretty cool
I like that too
He says
Hello I live
Should I mention
Where he lives
No
No okay
We'll pass on that
I live in XXXX
And I have a list
Of my local
Walmart payphone numbers
Yeah
The numbers are
And again I won't
Read those now
But
He says
Hope that helps out
With the project
I was also wondering
If you knew
Of any freaks
In my area
It would be great
To communicate
With another freak
As my cousin
And myself
Are the only freaks
In town
Thanks a bunch
Oh well you go to
Freaklist.cjb.net
Is it net?
Hold on let me
Yeah I think it's
Cjb.net
I'm not positive
Freaklist
Not cjb.net
Not found
I swear that was it
Hmm
If somebody had
A list
Just for that reason
Just to
You know
To put freaks together
But go to
Freaks and Geeks
Forum
You'll hook up
With somebody
Exactly
Freaksandgeeks.com
Or the Freaks and Geeks
Forum of course
Which is linked
From there
Yeah
And actually
There's a really
Long thread of people
Out there
Sharing their MPA
You know
Finding out
That they
You think
You're the only
Two freaks in town
But there's
Probably more
Yeah
Systematic
Hooking up with them
So
Hey
Maybe the 2600
Meeting
Hey
If you got one
Or if you can
Find one nearby
Maybe that's the way
To go
Well thank you
For the payphone numbers
Thank you very much
I've actually
Again
Pigmonkey sent in
Some good dirt
Man
We've been
Looking into the
RFID more and more
Yeah
It's hard to get
Real concrete stuff
But you know
Sometimes you get
That good insider
Piece of info
And we've got that
So
And also
Somebody
Somebody else
Sent in some numbers
And thank you
To them
That's why
Man
I forgot their
Handle
But
I don't know
If they sent
Numbers
Or
Payphone numbers
Or just the
Numbers to the
Stores
We don't need
Numbers to the
Stores
You can get
That on
You know
From your
Phone book
They're listed
You can get
It on their
Website
We want the
Payphone numbers
Things that you
Can't just
And yeah
What can you do
With them
I don't know
You can call up
And have fun
With people there
There's usually
Some very unique
People shopping
At Walmart
That actually answer
The phones
And it's actually
Rather fun
So
That's one thing
You can do
And otherwise
It's just
I don't know
If it's a show
Of power
You know
It's a show
Of not power
But you know
I don't know
It's a demonstration
That you know
Yeah you're this
250 billion dollar
Company
You know
You know what
I just had
A little brainstorm
I just had an idea
Right
We've already got
Plans and ideas
For episode 50
But I'm thinking
Maybe ahead
A future special episode
Of all
Of
We'll call it
The Project
Walmart Freedom
Episode
Calling the payphones
And seeing what
Kind of interesting
People and conversations
We can have
And have them
As special guest hosts
On the show
For a few minutes
That's going to be
A lot of episode 79
Or is it 79
77, 76
What is it
There's a
Celebrated Freak America
That's missing
We were going to do that
Oh the hidden episode
Alright well
Yeah it's number 76
The lost episode
We're going to do
A lot of phone calls
And it's going to
Probably be a lot of
PWF numbers
I didn't mean to ruin
The damn it
Now I just let the cat
Out of the bag
That's okay
It might be a lot of
Other stuff
But those are usually
Really juicy
Payphone numbers
If you want them
To pay off
So what it is
Yeah you're right
So what can you do
With that big ass list
Well maybe nothing
But it's more than
Just a list of
Numbers
It's hackers
It's people who love
Technology
People who care about
What corporations
Are doing to their
Communities
Banding together
Right
We're talking about
All over the
North American continent
All over the
U.S.
Canada
People who go
To South America
And get numbers
There for crying out loud
And showing that
Hey man
You're just
You're just another
Corporation
You're just another
Business
You do not have
More power
Than me
Than my community
We can tell you
No we don't want you here
And that's
That's what that's
Supposed to mean
And I'm
You know probably
I'm probably making
No sense
And people probably
Don't see it
But that's kind of
What it is
A little overly dramatic
Yeah well you know
We
You know what
Can I
Can I break in
By all means
I know how much
You're dying to
Okay
No no no
I'm not dying to
No man
Your show
Let's all
No
But
You hate Walmart
We got it
No no no
It's not
It's not what
I'm bringing up at all
Oh okay
Not what I'm bringing up at all
Okay go
You said there's
There's much drama
Right there's
There's much drama
In the community
Blah blah blah
Well I'm just joking
With you of course
I know absolutely
Absolutely
But you know
There kind of is
And you know what
It seems to me
And I've
You know I've kind of just
You know
Stayed back
And enjoying
Everything that everybody's doing
You know
Having a good time
And
You know
And there are people
That are into drama
And they you know
Type a lot of things
And well
Let's just not lose our focus
Right
Let's have a purpose
And
First and foremost
Learning and sharing
And
And also possibly
To use
Our love for technology
And what we've learned
About technology
And even if it is
Just collecting
Massive amounts
Of a certain type of
Probably useless information
Into
A purpose
Focusing that
Into a purpose
Yeah
And
And it may be
Showing corporations
That well you know
You are just
An entity
That does not have
The power
That even one citizen does
Right
And here's why
Because I can band
Citizens together
All over the world
And collect these people
And it's
I know it's small
And symbolic
And I'm probably an idiot
But whatever
It's
That's
We need to make sure
As a community
We do not lose focus
That we
That we care more
About what we're doing
About
Learning
And sharing
And using
What we know
About technology
To affect
A positive end
To some type
Of crusade
And then
Make sure
We continue to do it
Yeah
And you know
I think
You know
We use the word
Community a lot
Because we believe in it
Right
You know
And I do believe
The majority of the community
Does get it
And does do positive things
And tries to do positive things
Anyway
And I think it's just
You know
There's those few bad apples
That are louder
And more vocal
I guess
Yeah
You know what I said
To those motherfuckers
Publish bitch
Yeah right
I'm Rick James bitch
Write
Because guess what
Guess what's respected
In our community
Guess what's respected
In academia
Guess what's respected
In the corporate world
Publishing
Right
Shut up
And write
That's what I gotta say
And write
Write articles
Write code
Write information
Write worthwhile posts
And forums
As small as that can be
Write film clips
Do your own radio shows
There's so many
Positive things
Right
So you know
It's like
For the most part
I think
I'm pretty proud
I've stayed out
Of a lot of this stuff
I occasionally pop in there
To try to set things straight
But for the most part
I'm like
You know what
I have better things to do
There's only so many hours
In the day
And I like to try
To stay as positive
As possible
And as progressive
And get things accomplished
And
Crying doesn't really
Accomplish a whole lot
You know
Whining doesn't really
Get much done
See I didn't
Freaking rant about
Walmart
Well no
Something I thought
That was beautiful
Mike
I wanted to
I wanted to say
I love you Mike
Well as long as
We're
That's a good segue
We're into
The show and tell
Here
The personal hacking
Anything you wanted
To talk about recently
I actually
I don't want to
Put you into
What to talk about
But do you want
To talk about
HPR
Hack or public radio
Yeah
Well
You said they're
Only because
I'm just concerned
I've seen some posts
And some people
Wondering and asking about
I thought maybe
You could just
Kind of set it straight
As far as
A what it is
When it is
Not as far as
A specific time frame
But you know
Like let people
Know what to expect
Because I'm not sure
That people realize
Your vision for it
And what you
Are thinking of
Doing with it
And frankly
I want to make sure
I'm you know
Down with it
Because I think
It's very cool
What you're going with
I just thought
Maybe it'd be
A good opportunity
To clarify it
Okay
I will tell everyone
What it's going to be
I will tell everyone
The status
And then I will
Go ahead and give
A few of the
Possible show topics
Which I was going to
You know
Keep in my back pocket
So first
The show
HPR Hacker Public Radio
Will be more
It will not be
A weekly show
It will be
Whenever we get around
To making a show
It will be a good one
It will be more like
A well written piece
You would hear
On NPR
And public radio
It will be
It will focus
On one topic
There will be
No time limit
And hopefully
It will be
Of higher audio
Quality
And again
Also
Of better
Written
The quality
Of the show
Itself
Alright
Let me put it
This way
We could take
The show notes
To the show
Or a transcript
Of the show
And it would make
An excellent article
Yeah
Actually
That would be
Very cool
That's a good idea
I like that
Yeah
That's probably
The best way
To put that
So there's
What the show is
And again
It's not weekly
It's just whenever
Here's the status
Everything set up
Well I shouldn't say that
Nothing set up
No no no
I've got the computer
Set up right
The boxes
They're set up
To do the show
Now I'm looking
At the audio hardware
I have a card
I bought a card
And a sound card
And it's just
Really bad
It's a Philips
And it's just
I'm really
Really displeased
So I thought
It would have been
A nice
It would have been
A good
High quality
Audio card
But it's not
So I
I need hardware
I need a good
Sound card
I need a board
Mics
Things like that
So it's a little
Slow because of
Basically well money
So
But that
That will come
Money's not an issue
That's basically
The status of the show
Once we get the
Hardware together
And make sure
That everything works well
Then we'll start
Recording
Here are some topics
And I
Was holding them
Close
But I figured
Might as well
Bring them out
Now here are some
Things that we've
We're talking about
And hopefully
Will come to fruition
First
And we're hoping
This will be
You know
A great first episode
And I'm sure it will
International Freaking
Featuring
Brisketivo
So that's
You know
I haven't talked to him
In a while
Because well
We haven't
You know
Haven't been ready
To do this show
But
When I talked to him
Quite some time ago
We
Email
He seemed interested
So hopefully
We can still do that
Next we're looking
At a hardware
Hacking show
With Logic
Logic is big time
Into hardware hacking
Yeah very much
Yeah so
That's another episode
Also
I live in Albuquerque
New Mexico
Guess who's here
That's right
The CEO
President
Chief Architect
Of Gen2 Linux
Daniel Robbins
He lives here
So
I don't think
It'd be too hard
For me to track him down
And get an interview
Yeah see
That's the other cool thing
I'm glad you pointed out
And that is the fact
That
You're going to have
The topics
But you're also
Going to have people
Who are very close
And have experience
And can speak
Very very intelligently
In a round table
Discussion
Question and answer
About those specific topics
Exactly
Because
That's what makes it special
Right we're talking
Experts here
I mean that's
People want to
People want to hear experts
And I'm
I'm an expert in no field
So these people are
So those
Those are a few topics
And we're looking at
Other topics as well
We've got Nerdcore
As a topic
One of
Probably
That would be a fun
Episode
You know
Right
Not that it wouldn't be fun
But that would really
You know
That would really be
Focusing on
Right
When you say fun
You mean a little bit
More light hearted
Topic
That's all
Yes
Sure
Thank you
So that's HPR
And that's the status
So
Very very cool
So just to reiterate
That's
Well
Not to be blunt
But frankly
Whenever you get around to it
Whenever you get time
Exactly
And I'll be honest
I'm taking my sweet ass time
I'm having fun
I've done so many things
Since
You know
Writing
I got married
I got a
Gentoo box running
Which I love
So Jedi Bebop
And Bland were right
So
Everybody was right
They were right
You guys were right
You went from getting married
To set up a Gentoo box
You snuck
You got to have priorities
You snuck that in there
Number one and number two
Yeah
So thanks for letting me talk
Bland
Bland came down
And we hung out for a weekend
That was awesome
That was very cool
Yeah too bad
That would have been good
If we could have all
Got together for a show
Or something while he was there
But
Yeah
Oh well
That was a blast
It was a lot of fun
Yeah
You know I swear
I had some other things
To talk about for this
Show and tell
But
You know
I don't know
Well
Actually
In one of the upcoming topics
You got a lot to talk about
Interview that you've done recently
So
We've got
And it's a half
We're half way into the show
So
Yeah we got like 20 something
We got about 20 minutes left
And we can go over of course
But
So I
You know
I won't waste time
I've actually been
Kind of unplugged myself
A little bit
Doing some real life stuff
I had to
I had to do a little
Microsoft Access
I won't say hacking
I had to give myself
A little bit of a crash course
In Microsoft Access
For a job interview
I went to this interview
And
They gave me a test
On databases
And of course
I smoked that
That's not a problem
But
They asked me
If I had any experience
With Microsoft Access
And
What is it
SQL Server
Hell no
I couldn't touch that crap
You know
Ask me about something
You know
But anyway
Came back and gave myself
A crash course
In that
Because I really didn't
Know much about it
Didn't know how hard
Or how difficult
It was going to be
Not knowing it
So
Kind of sat down
And
Geez
It wasn't
But a few hours
And I was
I feel like
I pretty well
Know it inside and out
Because frankly
There wasn't a whole lot
To it
Right
It wasn't really
It was real easy
To learn
I don't know
If this is a review
Kind of a mini review
I guess
If anybody cares
But
And by all means
People correct me
If you think
I'm belittling it
Or you think
Differently about it
But
It was
It was really easy
To sit down
And use
And figure out
I mean
It's very
Very intuitive
I guess
As far as
Whipping out
Quick queries
Pulling out
Some quick data
From tables
That have already
Established
Stuff like that
Due to
It's
You know
The GUI
The graphical
Interface of it
It made it
Really quick
And easy
To write
Small
Databases
But
I found
That it wasn't
Very flexible
It didn't allow me
To do any kind
Of advanced
Queries
Whatsoever
If you want
To pull from
A couple tables
With similar keys
Everything was fine
No problem there
But when you
Still want to
Start reading
And building
Foreign keys
To read
Extra tables
Or building
Keys on the fly
And doing some
You know
Multiple joins
And sub queries
And stuff like that
It really
Really
Was not
It really became
User unfriendly
Very fast
Really
Very
Very fast
If you're doing
Small quick things
It's great
No problem
As a matter of fact
I'll even say
Thumbs up
I give them
I mean it was good
If you're doing simple
Database stuff
It's good for that
And I'm sure
There are people
Who are going to say
It's good for the
More advanced stuff too
That I need more practice
Or whatever
But it's just
Actually I guess
The best word
Is cumbersome
It becomes so
Very cumbersome
To do it
Through the GUI
And I'm more of a
Command line guy
You know
Anyway
So they do have
You can go to the
SQL view
And you can go in
And write raw SQL code
And it'll convert it
Back to GUI
And back to
You know
Well it's not really
Converting it
But you know
What I mean
You can go in
And work straight
On the SQL code
Itself
But they use
Their own
Proprietary SQL
Format
Now that's not
Really all that
Unusual
But I found
That it didn't
Even support
Some simple
Standard SQL
Commands that I
Was trying to do
Some group by
Functions I had
Problems with
And stuff like
That it didn't
Understand them
And the way
It did joins
It was automatically
Trying to determine
When to use an
Inner join
And an outer join
And when I
Tried to override
Them
In the code
Itself
Which in ways
That I knew
Logically would
Work
It was choking
And giving me
Error messages
It wouldn't do
It
It was so
Hard to go in
And actually go
To the code
And the command
Line and change
The SQL itself
Command line
Meaning the text
Editor
There's no command
Line of course
It was so hard
To do that
That I found
Myself forced
To go back
To the GUI
And try to
Force the GUI
To do what
I wanted to do
Because I could
Not do it
By typing in
The direct SQL
So that was
Kind of a pain
That's probably
Something that
Yes I would
Get better with
At practice
You can't learn
That in a couple
Hours I guess
Since it is
A proprietary version
Of SQL
So you know
Basically
Short easy queries
It's a pretty
Good tool
Pretty easy
If you've
Already got it
Installed
I definitely
Wouldn't go out
And pay the
Big money
That it costs
For it
Definitely
Would not
Endorse that
But if you've
Got Microsoft
Office Professional
Or something
That has that
Already in there
Yeah by all means
Use it to pull out
Some quick information
I thought it was
Pretty good for that
Just don't expect
Miracles
That's for sure
I'll tell you what
That was actually
A fairly in-depth
Review
I don't know
About all that
The funny thing is
I didn't
You know
I was asked
If I knew
Anything about it
And frankly
What I told him
Here's a polite way
And here's a little
Social engineering advice
Interviews
First of all
Are a great place
To practice
And brush up
On your social
Engineering skills
Well I'm glad
You brought this up
Okay good
Keep it
So during this
When they ask you
A question
You're not
I was joking
I did not come out
And go
No I don't know
Microsoft
I hate Microsoft
I really didn't
My actual answer
And this is
You've got to be
Carefully and
Politically correct
The word this stuff
Politically correctly
I don't know
If that's good grammar
Wild sky
Where's the wild sky
Okay
The way you kind
Of answer that
Is
What I answered
Was this
I said
Well I don't have
Direct hands on
Work experience
With Microsoft
Access
In my current
Job
But I have
Classroom experience
With Microsoft
Access
Meaning I do
Have some experience
I know how
It's designed
And how it works
But I don't do it
On a regular basis
I feel confident
I could get my
Skills up to par
Very quickly
So I word it
To let them know
That I'm not afraid
Of it
I don't do it
For a living
You know
I get that point
Across
I'm not going
To sell myself
Being able to
Do something I can
I don't like to
Lie when I social
Engineer
I know that's
Kind of an oxymoron
To some people
But I try to
Keep it honest
And I came back
The following week
They wanted me
To come back
To basically
Take a test
And at Microsoft
SQL
So that's what
I mean
I went home
I gave myself
A crash course
I went through
Some tutorials
I just made up
Some scenarios
I used some
Of the default
Sample databases
That it comes with
And gave myself
Some assignments
Says okay
See if you can do this
No problem
See if you can do that
Ah no problem
Eventually figured out
How to make
Replaceable parameters
Where it prompts users
To put in the data
That they want
Make a user friendly
I mean it was actually
Pretty darn simple
And I probably learned
Infinitely more
Than they even expected
Me to know
So when I went back
Not to toot my own arm
But long story short
I smoked the test
That they gave me
For the interview
So
The reason
That I was faced
With this
Is because
They wanted that skill
I had to politely
And I guess
In a positive way
Show that I
Absolutely could
Do what they wanted
And then I did it
You know
That's really
All there is about it
I mean
Don't come out
And say
I can't do this
Or I won't do that
Or I don't like this
That's really not
The angle to play
You have to use
Your social engineering
Skills in a situation
Like that
Without
You know
Going overboard
So
I don't know
What you wanted
To follow up
But by all means
Go ahead
Well no
First
Congratulations on
Doing well
On that test
Thank you
That's a very good point
You should use
These skills
Use those social
Engineering skills
Wherever you can
And you can use them
You can use them
All day long
To whoever you're
Talking to
You know
It's almost
It's social training
Literally
Oh absolutely
Right
So
I actually just
I used my
Social engineering skills
A little bit
To get what I wanted
Essentially
I wanted to take a class
It said I needed a pre-reqs
Some network security class
Whatever
Right
I just wanted to take it
For fun
I think I can hang
Regardless of the pre-reqs
They said
No you need pre-reqs
You can't
I can't register online
Or over the phone
So I call up
And they say
Well you've got to
Come down
And speak to the
Department head
And get an override
And blah blah blah
I said
In my head
This is not acceptable
Right
I said
Oh okay sure
Could you transfer me
To this person
And I schmoozed them
A little bit
And gets more information
Okay transfer me
To this person
Schmoozed them
A little bit
Finally I get to
Talk to
Some guy
At the department head
Who can't do it
And I schmoozed him
And got him to do it
Remotely over the phone
In five minutes
I got that taken care of
Got the pre-reqs wiped
And I registered for the class
That was absolutely
Literally
Social engineering
So use your skills
All the time
There's always opportunity
For training
Whether it be physical
Or mental
Yeah and there's actually
A term for the
Well kind of like that
When you call up
Say tech support
You don't get the answer
You want from the first operator
You call back again
And you try to get
A different representative
On the phone
That may be able
To do it for you
Or willing to do it for you
And you know
I call it op-hopping
Hopping from one operator
To the other
Until you get one
To answer what you want
And you bounce in
From person to person
Until you get somebody
Who's either able
Or willing
To get it done
Yeah you just like
Collect a little bit
Of information
As you work your way
Up to the person
Who can do it
You just okay
Collect a little here
Okay now I know
About this
So I can move on
To this person
Move up a little bit
Absolutely
Yeah and don't be
And you know
The way when you say
Get information
Ask questions
There's nothing wrong
With asking questions
Along the way
You have to
It's absolute
By the time you get
To that final person
You'll know
What they want
You know
Oh yeah
Yeah
So there you go
Everybody
I actually so totally
Relate to that story too
But we'll let it go
Yeah oh it's
It's so useful too
That totally got me
Through college
So
Even simple things
Like checking out
In the grocery store
Or returning something
At Target
Or anything like that
Schmooze
Social engineer
And just see
You can get some information
Even your waiters
And stuff
Just be nice
And see what kind
Of information
You can find out of them
That's another thing
Being nice
Pays dude
Oh you know what
Yeah I won't go
On to a soapbox
Be nice in general
Irregardless of hacking
Yes
Do again
Cool bland
Do not be a penis
Exactly
Is that really so hard
Oh and
Before we leave
The personal stories here
Okay go ahead
Not buy Princeton
LCD monitors
They suck ass
Hmm
I've got one
That just died
And one that's
A piece of crap
I've got a ViewSonic
And I love it
It's so nice
So
Stay away from Princeton
And that's funny
We were talking about
This off the air
But I remember
Princeton being a good
Brand back in
Probably the
Early 90s
Late 80s
Early 90s
Maybe so
But I just got
Two lemons from them
Yeah they were always
One of the
You know one of the
Premier ones
And yeah I've heard
Now bad things
About them lately
So
You can't go wrong
ViewSonic
I mean those
Three little birds
The little birds
On there
Of course that makes it
Man
Big time
Okay
All right
Well that's all
I had for the
Show and tell
We've got to roll
Brother
There's like 20 minutes
Left
I'll tell you what
Why don't you
Why don't you roll
Then and take as
Much time as you want
Forget about how
Long we've got
Just talk about this
As long as you want to
And anything else
Can be bumped if
Necessary
But
We can make this
Quick
I definitely want
To get to your
Story
I think yours
Probably has
Well okay
Well let's
Anyway
Your story
The community
Can do more
With
Well regardless
Take as much
Time as you want
On this
And we'll put it
Up for download
If nothing else
If it goes over
The time frame
Okay
And this one
Is
And let me
Just set it up
For you
And then you
Can go with it
This was
A story
You told me
About off the air
You actually
Were so upset
By this
Or angered
By this
I should say
That you called
Me one night
And we talked
About this
And you
Went after the fact
And did a little
Bit of interview
And found out
Some more information
And this is
What you're going
To just to set
It up
So that you
Can go with it
Right
I actually read
About it
On slash
Don
It was
April 21st
The Deer Valley
Unified School
District Office
In Glendale
Was raided by
The FBI
On April 21st
That's
Dude
That's my hood
Right
The PHX
Phoenix
So
It was very
Upsetting to me
And of course
I had this gut reaction
And I need to
Be calm
Breathe
And think a little
Bit more
But I was
You know
Quite angry
Why would the FBI
You know
To me
It was just
You know
The freaking
Muscle
Of the double A's
Rating a school
For crying out loud
People who were
Trying to educate
Our youth
All because of
A couple of
Downloaded songs
I'm sorry
What level
School was this
Was this high school
Deer Valley Unified
School District
That's K-12
They're actually
In Phoenix
But they have
An office in Glendale
And that's what
Was raided
Their district office
And again
On the 21st
The Arizona Central
Which is run by
You know
The Arizona Republic
They of course
Carried the story
And they talked
About the federal
Agents who came
In
And well
You know
Basically shut
Down their
Internet access
For a time
And
Well for those
Who don't know
The reported
Story
Was what
That the FBI
Raided it
Looking for
Pirated songs
Is that what
No
They
They raided
The school
Along with
You know
Many other
As we found out
A day later
From Ashcroft
For intellectual
Property violations
Right
For copyright
Infraged
Big
Lots and lots
Of piracy
Okay
Right
A national crackdown
This is a quote
A national crackdown
On pirated music
CDs and movies
So they went
Through all their
Stuff
The story
Yeah
It gives
Some good information
But I wanted
More
I wanted to know
More about what
Happened
Again the next
Day
You heard about
This on
Last week's
Off the hook
The Department
Of Justice
Put out a
Press release
Regarding
Operation Fast
Link
Right
The largest
Global enforcement
Action ever
Undertaken
Against online
Piracy
Now
No matter
What
You think
And actually
I'll save
This to the end
I'll talk
About what
I learned
First
What happened
Let's see
Over 120
Searches
In 27
States
And 10
Foreign
Countries
Including
Belgium
Denmark
France
Germany
Hungary
Israel
Netherlands
Singapore
Sweden
As well
As the UK
And Northern Ireland
100 individuals
Have been identified
For investigation
International piracy
Blah blah blah
And then
It goes on
To say
Seizure
Of more than
200 computers
Including 30
Computer servers
That functioned
As storage
And distribution
Hubs
One here in the
US
Containing
65,000
Separate pirated
Titles
So that's
What happened
Right
About 50
Million dollars
In works
That were
Seized
So that's
What happened
Okay
Including this
School district
So if you go
To their
Site
Which is
DVUSD.org
They have
A letter
To the
Parents
And I'll
Read this
Dear
Parents
On Wednesday
Morning
The FBI
Served
A search
Warrant
On the
Deer Valley
Unified
School District
Administrative
Services
Center
On 51st
Avenue
Because the
Warrant
Was judiciously
Sealed
We do not
Know for certain
The nature
Or target
Of the
Investigation
However we
Believe
This search
Was part
Of Operation
Fastenck
A large
Scale
Undercover
Investigation
Focused on
The theft
Of intellectual
Property
Such as
Music
Software
And movies
The
District
And its
Staff
Members
Are fully
Cooperating
With
Federal
Authorities
All
Internet
Services
Were
Expected
To
Return
To
Full
Operation
On
Thursday
According
To
U.S.
Attorney
General
John
Ashcroft
Operation
Fastenck
Was the
Most
Far
Reaching
And
Aggressive
Enforcement
Action
Ever
Taken
Against
Illegal
Intellectual
Property
Piracy
Over
The
Internet
And
They
Talk
About
What
I
Just
Read
We
Will
Continue
To
Assist
Federal
Authorities
With
This
Investigation
Of
Intellectual
Property
Theft
And
Software
Piracy
As
We
Will
Communicate
That
To
Our
Community
Thank
You
For
Your
Continued
Support
If
You
Have
Any
Questions
Or
Concern
Please
Contact
Our
Public
Information
Office
At
623-445-5013
So
That's
What
I
Did
I
Went
Wait
Before
One
Little
Thing
I
Don't
Like
Judicially
Sealed
That
Is
So
Basically
They're
Coming
In
And
They're
Not
Even
Going
To
Tell
You
What
You
Did
Wrong
Everything
That
You've
Got
But
We're
Not
Telling
You
Why
I'm
Not
A
Lawyer
And
I'm
Not
Going
To
Play
One
On
Bin
Rev
But
I
Don't
I
Don't
Know
I
Don't
Think
That
That's
All
That
Uncommon
I
Don't
Think
They
Want
To
Tip
Off
I
Don't
Think
They
Want
To
Tip
Their
Hand
If
I'm
Correct
But
When
You
Show
Up
On
The
Premises
You're
Telling
What
We're
Looking
For
That
Is
Correct
And
I
Don't
Think
That's
Uncommon
That's
Scary
I
Don't
I
Don't
Think
That's
Like
A
New
Patriot
Kind
Of
Thing
That's
Just
Scary
Well
Absolutely
It's
Scary
So
Wipe
Your
Hard
Drives
Come
On
So
I
Called
I
Wanted
To
Know
You
Don't
Get
Much
Out
Of
The
News
You
Don't
Get
Anything
Out
Of
This
Memo
From
The
DOJ
So
I
Wanted
To
Know
More
So
Juan
Of
Binary
Revolution
Magazine
Called
Up
The
School
And
I
Finally
Got
To
Talk
To
A
Gentleman
By
The
Name
Of
Timothy
Tate
He
Said
I
Could
Use
His
Name
No
Problem
He
Is
An
Information
Officer
With
The
Deer Valley
Unified
School
District
I
Talked
To
Him
On
April
30th
About
11
AM
And
I
Asked
Him
A
Few
Questions
Of
Course
Originally
I
Thought
Hey
You
Know
Kids
Of
Course
Kids
Are
Going
To
Download
Music
They're
Going
To
Check
Out
Movies
Who
Cares
Right
You
Don't
Need
To
Go
Interrupt
Their
School
Day
Right
Interrupt
Their
Education
To
Do
That
That's
Just
Silly
Go
After
People
Pressing
CDs
For
Crying
Out
Loud
But
As
I
Learned
That
Is
Not
The
Case
So
Again
This
Is
Me
Talking
To
Tim
Tate
I
Told
Him
Who
I
Was
Who
I
Was
From
I
Did
Not
Record
It
And
I
Told
Him
That
I
Told
Him
I
Was
Taking
Notes
First
I
Ask
Why
Specifically
Did
The
FBI
Raise
Your
District
Office
He
Told
Me
That
He
Did
Not
Know
For
Sure
But
He
Was
Pretty
Sure
That
It
Did
Not
Involve
Students
Okay
So
Right
There
First
Thing
It
Wasn't
Kids
Just
Downloading
A
Song
Here
Or
There
Or
CD
Or
Movie
That
Told
Me
That
Somebody
Was
Using
Their
Fat
Pipe
And
Their
Hardware
To
Probably
Host
A
Larger
Distribution
Point
Right
You're
Probably
Right
Whether
It
Be
Remotely
Or
Somebody
From
Within
Usually
Probably
An
Insider
Honestly
Because
That
As
You've
Heard
Me
Say
Many
Times
Insider
Is
The
Biggest
Threat
That's
Probably
What
Happened
They've
Got
Authorized
Access
So
That's
Just
From
That
I
Think
We
Can
Safely
Infer
That's
What
Happened
Next
I
Asked
How
Did
It
Affect
Day
To
Day
Operations
He
Said
There
Were
A
Few
Hiccups
It
Was
It
Occurred
During
State
Required
Testing
So
It
Didn't
Affect
Anybody
Studies
No
One
Was
Specifically
No
Students
Had
To
Specifically
Be
Online
At
That
Time
So
It
Didn't
Really
Affect
The
I
Asked
What
Were
The
Students
Reactions
And
He
Said
They
Were
A
Little
Confused
At
First
After
They
Found
Out
What
Went
On
They
Were
Definitely
Surprised
They
Were
Surprised
That
This
Was
Happening
At
Their
School
Or
At
Their
School
District
Office
Tim
Described
The
Scene
He
Told
Me
What
Happened
He
Said
A dozen
Armed
Agents
Of
Course
With
Black
Best
FBI
Jackets
He
Said
They
Were
Not
They
Were
Not
Confrontational
They
Worked
With
Them
Very
Well
I
Remember
He
Said
Show
Of
Force
I
Was
Like
Whoa
I
he couldn't say he did tell me though that they were not left in a state of disarray that the
fbi technicians helped them get online before they left so they took the time he said they're
very nice they made sure that they had everything up and running and working properly before they
left again positive right um uh these are tim's words here he said
no i'm sorry this is not a quote but uh this is what tim was thinking this is what we got from
our conversation this was just him talking we didn't fully realize the impact of what was
happening until the next day until ashcroft's announcement and apparently and this is what
he told me because i actually didn't hear i guess i i i guess he was he spoke on tv i don't know i
i don't watch tv um he said that apparently ashcroft specifically mentioned education that this was
happening at educational institutions um we then talked about phoenix of course uh and in the hood
there in our hood so i stated at the end i this is what i said i stated uh that i would not speculate
on the uh the double a's influence on the doj's actions and he he like nodded his head over the
phone he's like yeah you know so um i've got a few personal thoughts of what what i got out of that
interview first of all i think he was concerned i think probably everyone was concerned about the
students because he knew their reactions he knew exactly what they were doing um you know that that
time that had happened um so i i think i'm almost positive that that he's he's representative of
that school district and that they definitely have the students um in mind first so uh next again i
think from what i gathered that it's got to be some it guy right or if it's not remote it's more than
likely an insider using their facilities and their pipe to uh you know to spew his rip of passion of
the christ you know so and is that a joke example or is that truly what passion of the christ actually
okay i think that's i'm not going to talk about what i think about religion but whatever
um and then finally um i'm not going to talk about the connection to organized crime i don't think
this has any connection to organized crime the next the next thing you know they're they're going to
start saying that all this piracy and this operation fast link is cracking down on you know
where sites that were supporting terrorism that's the next step there's only one more step to that
you know it's oh we got to get these people because they're organized crime next there's one more
step that's terrorism they know that's just silly because they're just strong arms of
the mpaa on the ra to begin with so again much like al-qaeda they plan they wait and then they
strike they strike in cells distributed cells at the same time all over the world and they get you
they get your evil wear sight so same kind of tactics you just bide your time right and then get
your coordinated effort your coordinated strike on multiple targets just like al-qaeda so that's what
they did and uh i hope they got all the evil wears people um sure i you know great way to go
i don't know that's that by the way that was a personal view i just thought i would i would draw
that uh slight analogy because it was i thought very accurate well that's what happened so if i may
close it was not what i was at first really angered about and that they were raiding this place
because i mean we've seen it before the mother the people go out and sue you know hundreds of
college students right a grandma a kid because they share a few songs i didn't think this was you know
hey i think this is just the next you know logical step right this is logical progression they'll use
the fbi to go and raid little bigger sites you know lots of students sharing stuff at one school
you get the whole school at once and run them up no it wasn't um somebody running a wear site at a
school whatever you know i think i personally i think the mpa or the ra if they've got people
searching stuff they found that site right they've got they've got moles they found that site they told
the fbi and the fbi went and busted it that's what happened right so and if you think that's right
whatever i don't well i don't if i may i didn't want to interrupt or stop you if you were still
going but um i still don't like i mean i granted they had some positive things in here like you said
the way they went about things the way they kept their connectivity up and going and everything
there's some positivity there but i'm not sure about um um when he mentioned actually that um
what did he say there were a few hiccups that was during state required testing so it didn't affect
study right well i don't know i just happen to disagree with that because i'm sorry that even
if they came in there were no guns drawn i understand that they were professional they did they were
non-confrontational i understand all that but 12 fbi agents armed with jackets and the sunglasses and
the earpieces and the whole thing is an intimidating sight regardless that that was at a district
office that there's a district office in glendale the dear value unified school district is in
phoenix all the schools and all the kids are in phoenix this is that a district office where there
were no no children or no students i shouldn't say children there was no students whatever age
that witnessed any of this school okay so no and that's i thought i thought that as well
uh but no that's not the case yeah i'm thinking if it's in any place where i was going and i'm glad
you corrected me on that that it's not because that would be scary that if any of these students would
have seen or witnessed that or word would have got out you know every kid in the school every person
would have been scared to death about what are they here for are they here for me you know so i'm glad
that is not the case yeah but the bottom line here is that it's still it's they're we're using government
resources right 12 people to do this huh to be that well i don't know the exact numbers but regardless
we're using government resources to crack down on this stuff that's just i thought there was a war
on terrorism which is absolutely idiotic by the way but you know they're just they're basically the
strong arm of the double a's it's just it's not right apparently there's also a war on intellectual
property apparently so i mean this is this is just absurd i mean and are we gonna stand by and let
this happen we've got to we've got to do things like this use your social engineering skills and
learn more and see what happened find out what happened we've got to do this because i'll tell
you what i'll play devil's advocate here please do a little bit maybe i don't know how much of this
i'm believing or but i'll pretend let's play let's okay let's say they're running aware site
are you somehow saying that's okay no no it's not okay i mean
but in the big scheme of things in what's going on and the number of people that are dying
iraqis and americans is this really that important apparently it is because there's big money paying
off these well there's the key go ahead with that it whether you think i'm a crackpot or not this is
what happened i think this is what happened and i'll and i will i will quote i will qualify that
with that statement i think this is what happens and it's it's it's fairly obvious i'm sure most will
agree that this is basically the mpa and ria influencing right government officials to use their
resources to crack down on intellectual you know property theft that's what it is bottom line
and this just proves it well i don't know i don't know what to say i can't think of anything
positive to all the things going on in the world right now and they're cracking down multinational
hundreds of people millions of dollars it provides way to go it provides jobs i don't know what to say
i don't know what to say it's silly it's absolutely ludicrous what they're doing
well overreaction overreaction my part are theirs
hmm and my part are theirs i'm theirs oh absolutely i'm theirs yeah no not yours at all if it was on
yours i think i would have said something a long time ago and been able to i'm trying to be devil's
advocate and it's hard and that's not usually hard for me yeah wish rax was here he'd probably be good
yeah you know what actually he would that would be a great rack that's because he's freaking smart
that's why well yeah of course some left wing nut product of freaking left wing radio i guess that
makes me a right wing nut so maybe we go pretty good together huh oh so that's the story again the
bottom line it was not students somebody was running a site using their using their resources
whether it be remotely or not and the operation fat link and the doj are just yeah no are just the
hired muscle of the double yeah well you know because the the double a's remember they hit
where they had their roving street teams where they were going out trying to claim that they were
you know agents they were going out there trying to police and threatening people right remember
those stories where they were out there threatening people to shut them down acting as though they
were somehow law enforcement or something they had no rights to do that kind of stuff so now
they just pay the people that can do that for them it's all about the money
they somehow convinced you know orrin hatch or whoever you know money to spend lots of money
to give the fbi the okay to go crack down on all these websites money money money money yeah it's
not somehow there's a lot more important things there's money there's so many more money you know
worthwhile things to spend our resources on what happened to this war on terrorism money
yeah money money money yep all right anyway so sorry to take so much time there it should have
been quicker but uh i want definitely we we got to talk about your story well please please pass on
my thanks to to juan juarez from binary revolution magazine for the interview anytime um tell him i said
thank you that was good stuff and um i that is actually relating back to our little uh social
engineering discussion earlier there's a good application don't be afraid to call and ask for
ask questions do it you get answers listen to that you get answers you get to hear you know
by the way i wanted to record it but my sound card sucks ass that's why yeah anyway you know it's funny
that and we we when we when we had the episode a couple times when we talked about how to make your
own radio show with all that stuff yeah we explained i remember i went through i bought a
nice expensive sound card right it sucked it does it was really bad i bought dude i bought a 50
dollar usb omni-directional super conferencing microphone it sucked it was garbage i've been
finding that out i've been back i'm back to the you know i've been doing the show and everything on
the on a cheap knockoff what was it mad dog or something like that sound card with a little
ten dollar lab tech mic and it rocks yeah and absolutely it's just it's stable it's stable
i have to go get me one of the mad dogs yeah well i don't know if i'd still get all that far
it gets the job done but it's not top of the lining um anyway let's talk about your story
well this is and you know what we let me let me also we're into the show here and i know
people like tech and i know this these two stories are not directly we're not talking about bits and
bytes we're not talking about all these detailed stuff so but sometimes these are so important
and they relate so much to the tech community and the hacking community that they need to be said
this absolutely has to do with technology yeah and this is this is something that you absolutely
should know about maybe not that it's something technical that you're going to like or you're going
to be able to sit down and practice but i want you to stop what you're doing if you're chatting
an irc i hate to tell you to stop but i want you to listen to this story because i want you to think
about how dangerous and how scary this is to you as a hacker and to preface it to put this in your mind
as i start to read some of it it's a long story from the new york times i'm not going to read it
um but i want to put into your mind think about how the media labels us think about what hackers
are associated with and how people think of hackers and we we're not going to go on a soapbox but we all
know how hackers are viewed we know what we get associated with they throw us around with words
like terrorists and criminals and stuff like that keep that in mind as you hear the story and apply
how this could turn into something very very bad this particular story actually is um the the the
topic is computer student on trial for aid to muslim websites this is by timothy egan again it's out of
the new york times um april 27 2004 if you want to go look up the full text because it is too long
i'm not going to read all of it however i'll read some of the very very important parts and i want
you to listen very closely um boise idaho april 23rd not long after the terrorist attacks of september
11th 2001 a group of muslim students led by a saudi arabian doctoral candidate held a candlelight
vigil in the small college town of moscow idaho and condemned the attacks as an affront to islam
that means the attacks were smacking islam in the face these people were against it yes they were
islam but they were saying this is not what we represent this is not what islam about these were
i i'm not going to pours in their mouth but they did not agree with it right and they went out they
even had a vigil and they stood out and vocally said this makes us look bad this is not what we're
about similar to what we do here sometimes about the hacker being thrown around but anyway i'm sorry
um today that graduate student and i totally apologize up front if i mispronounce some names here but
that graduate student sami omar al hussein is on trial in a heavily guarded courtroom here accused of
plotting to aid and to maintain islamic websites that promote jihad now again this is the person who
stood out and stood out and said that this is not what it's about that they were completely against
it yet somehow they still feel that he well i'll go on as a webmaster to several islamic organizations
mr hussein helped to maintain internet sites with links to groups that praised suicide bombings
in chechnya and israel but he himself i'm going to say this loudly with emphasis
but he himself does not hold these views his lawyer said his role was like that of a technical
editor they said arguing that he could not be held criminally liable for what others wrote
apparently the government doesn't feel the same way because they are going forward with this
obviously civil libertarians say the case poses a landmark test of what people can do or whom they can
associate with in the age of terror alerts it is one of the few times anyone has been prosecuted
under language and the anti-terrorism law known as the usa patriot act which makes it a crime to provide
quote expert guidance or assistance end quote to groups deemed terrorist now if if you're not
already pissing in your pants out of fear right now i want you to keep in mind what i told you earlier
this person clearly stood up he was on newspapers he was on television local news channels filming
their candlelight vigils speaking out against this but his website this portal this site that he
maintained and when i say maintained from a technical standpoint he was the webmaster
at least of course from what the lawyers say and again i don't know i would love to get in touch
with this person maybe i can to find out exactly what's going on here he had links to other sites
that allegedly or supposedly were in line with his views and probably maybe they were at some point in
time how can you is it a webmaster's responsibility think of the logic the logic of this how how difficult
would it be for a webmaster and it does a webmaster should a webmaster do this you link to this site you go
out there on monday and the site has everything you agree with it it promotes islam it's about
your religion it talks about peace and blah so you link to that site you have that on your list of
links hell even somebody could submit the link and you don't even know about it the link could be
submitted there you try to police your site as best you can but suddenly someone posts something on
that other site and again they might not have authorized it may have been posted by a user by some
random person all of a sudden something a couple links away lands you in jail prosecuted under the
usa patriot act which again listen to episodes that racks talked about how patriot is is an acronym and
that it has nothing to do with patriotism and we've talked several several times on the show about
the abuse and the potential abuse of this act and my god here it is in front of you
now again go search for this and read the full length of this story because i am not going to go
into a lot of the details on it because the point that i'm trying to get across i think is clear
we know what the media portrays hackers we know how we get tied in with the word terrorist i mean
let's face it we do right right or wrong and we come on and we fight it and we try to tell people
don't do that we're not criminals we're not it says so used to say right on the punches on the front of
thankdog.com we are not terrorists criminals or thieves we're not the prosecution team has
resented him as a secret conspirator aiding the cause of terrorism through his computer skills
does that sound familiar yeah does that sound you know so now suddenly anybody that links to
a site that they have deemed as terrorist in nature which gee what could that be do you think the
association with hackers with terrorists that comes out sometimes could that be a point
could that be someone who might be targeted with something like this in the future could this affect
us you're damn right it could yeah and you should be pissed scared right now hearing something like
this watching these people's rights be taken away and this is a person who stood out again i'm going
to repeat it and condemned the actions he did not agree with them he said repeatedly over and over
that he is absolutely not supportive of that he does not believe in it we don't believe in it the
candlelight vigil is obviously a front oh well yeah that must be what it was that absolutely must be
what it was i mean i i mean if they have no other if they've got nothing on him except him linking to
terrorist sites quote terrorist sites then it's pretty weak and you're absolutely right unless they've got
some secret case file with lots and lots of his act in for his error then then yeah this is this is
absolutely this is terrifying to us to people who like technology and it's going to it's terrifying to
to to think what precedents might be set much like operation fastlink that's why these see these are
absolutely about technology because it might affect what you can do with technology in the future
so yeah this guy is apparently from what we are reading in the new york times that we know how
you know reliable they are yeah that could be good or bad right yeah here's here's another line later
on in here that i thought was pretty pretty interesting it's um quote it's an illustration of how much power
the government can bring against somebody said john dickinson a retired professor of computer sciences who
was mr hussein's doctoral advisor at the university of idaho it should scare anybody
okay oh here here i see i didn't know this and it should any diamond the government charge of mr hussein
provided here we go i didn't i didn't i didn't see this provided computer advice and assistance
communication facilities and financial instruments and services that assisted in the creation maintenance
of internet websites and other internet medium intended to recruit and raise funds to violent jihad
particularly in palestine and chechnya but he did and it was a separate site that he linked to
whether he knew about it well okay and you know what let's let's step back for a minute and let's
debate oh no no tell me i don't i don't kind of understand this okay it's not much more if from from
what i'm reading it's not much more than putting up links to you know jihad sites already so tell
what exactly did he do now well okay what you just read was quote from the patriot act i believe
those were the words from the patriot act that they put on that that's the government charge
this is what they charged him with this is yeah this is what they charged him and when they
put it just against him right provided let's see provided computer advice and assistance
check it communications facilities check server i'm assuming and financial instruments and services
that assisted in the creation and maintenance of internet websites and other okay so basically
bro's free website and paypal or or when they say i don't know how how that's worded i think
what if he just gave them web space on a site you know that's what i'm thinking hosted web service
free or otherwise that's what i'm thinking it's still unclear to me what he did right and and i you know
and now it's here's another point later on the websites he maintained also pointed posted views
opposing jihad i mean how many times does he have to come out and say he's opposing and how many
different ways but something you know a link two links five links away how many links away does
something have to be because last time i checked the whole internet the interweb as decoder would say
the whole internet the whole world wide web is links to links to links technically somehow we're
linked to that site too absolutely you know what you know who else is google yahoo you know what the
newyorktimes.com even fbi.fucking gov pardon my language but i'm pretty pissed about this is linked
to that does that mean they're aiding and abetting because you know packets pass through fbi.gov
servers to get to this site they aided someone connecting and linking to the site you want to get
technical bitch let's get technical about this i say that fbi.gov needs to be prosecuted on this
because they technically if you want to get to the anal letter of the law provided access to this
site as well and access to terrorist related sites providing that kind of stuff i say they're just as
guilty oh yeah you know i it's funny i've got a buddy who's in a criminal justice program
and he gets dod and doj briefings you know powerpoint snoozeville shit that that talk all about suicide
bombings tell you how to do it show your bombs show you the people show what they do um you know
ambushes everything all the time what the hell so bros like set up paypal he's like set up a shopping
cart first you know or islamic jihad or something i don't i don't get it i just don't get it
yeah it's you know what this is just such a reach and this now now i'll tie this back into what your
story earlier earlier you mentioned to me that this was not something new the way they had the uh
what was it judicially sealed that was not something new that was not something that was
you know this big thing that they've done recently under the terrorism or anything well guess what
this is this is the bad things that can happen from it this is directly prosecution under the usa patriot
act so this is why people like the aclu the eff hackers across the world privacy advocates across
the world have been fighting and have been so animated against this and animate against this
act and the loopholes and the way it can be abused i mean i don't know what more this guy could have
done he's come out on the website he came out on television and condemned it he's come out many
times he's spoken to his lawyers now all completely saying that he's against it now i mean i'm not i'm
not completely you know i'm not reading one story here and believing everything in it it could be a
front i'll say that but i don't i i disbelieve it right now i i find that unlikely i mean he could
be lying his ass off to protect himself now that he's busted but the fact that he did these actions
like having a candlelight vigil back then when it happened and now here years later he's being
prosecuted in the usa patriot act that's kind of you know a lot of preparation for something that he
didn't think or know what happened i mean it does it seems too coincidental to me right so i try to be
open-minded and try to say okay maybe you know what let's try to be open-minded and say they know more
than we do they have more information than we do i really find it awfully coincidental a lot of this
information a lot of the things that they're basing this whole suit on this whole yeah it is you know
honestly i think this guy was just active in communities that the federal government doesn't
approve of i think that's the bottom line you know it's all and as you know you read and i've read this
i'm reading this stuff again and again and it's still just a mishmash you know he supports this group
that that you know just wants to spread islam and the government says that it's you know supporting
violence against you know the the heathens that we are you know um who knows i think you're right
i think this is very important well and you know here's a this is this if not angered you know yeah
this very this final paragraph of the article is very is again this will put it into some perspective
if you think we're exaggerating it and you think oh yeah well this guy was he was islam and if you
if you're racist or you think that everybody in this feels this way or everybody let me put this this
puts it into a little bit of perspective that everybody can associate with um this is a quote
from somebody from the aclu it says we very much wanted to be involved in this case because it is by
far the most radical prosecution we've ever seen i'm sorry we've seen under the patriot act
said ann beeson associate legal director of the national aclu the american civil liberties union
of course you shouldn't be held liable for what somebody else said i can't believe that has to be
stated first of all i can't believe that that sentence even had to be written uttered or spoken
aloud i can't believe my god that that has to be said in this world but you shouldn't be held liable
for what somebody else said under this theory you could charge the electrician who services the wrong
client right and that doesn't scare you as a listener that doesn't scare you as a reader of
these articles that doesn't scare you as an american citizen it should it very much should and then
and that's just as an american citizen now again i mentioned earlier keep in mind hackers and i think
everyone's seen it by now but they think we're terrorists we know we're not i know i'm not i know
i'm not into terrorism i know i'm not a thief i know i'm not a criminal and i'm coming out on this show
and saying it right now but they could pound down my door next week the same way oh well you know you're
running a site that promotes terrorism and i have paypal being by my magazine i'm putting propaganda
my teaching terrorism or something with all this stuff no you're speaking positively of this guy who set up
paypal for this islamic charity you're a terrorist hacker you yeah don't be now now wait wait back up
wait let's no no i want to keep scaring the people anybody that links anybody has our link box to
binrev.com you're guilty too they're coming for you and if you link to that person's site they're coming
for you too and your friend who linked to your site from their blog they're coming for you and all the
songs that we get from mp3.com and frontalot.com and all the musicians that are just putting out
music are linked to our site they're coming for you too yeah until there's no one we should fear for
our intellectual freedom we should not be scared right well of course i'm exaggerating just to let
people realize exactly how serious this is right and it's very important it absolutely has to do with
technology and that's that's a good rant by the way you're very i didn't you know what i didn't
expect one of those in a long time i i because you know what i again i back to the listeners you
know i try to keep this tech oriented as much as we can because that's what i like but damn it
sometimes people need to hear these things yes i know this is not tech well last week we had the
google which i thought was some good stuff earlier actually i had talked about out uh access a little
bit that could have been you know that was some good tech for this content and we'll go back to
it next week but damn it this is important i hope you didn't fast forward through this rant thinking
oh more political crap i hope you listen to this i hope you go out there let me and i'm going to go
back i don't have a link i'll try to put it in the show notes when we get those up uh timothy egan
e-g-a-n from the new york times company computer student on trial for aid to muslim website search for
that i'm sure you'll get other information that happened in boise idaho april 23rd the exact date
um you know go out there and read this stuff happens and i'm bringing it up here because
doggone it it's important and it is important to us as hackers it's important to us as american
citizens can i can i close the loop here snake yes i am done with it so you can have the final word
okay let's close the loop here let's let's complete the circle let's be real then about this what i
discussed earlier focus let's make sure we as a community are focused let's make sure we are
educated about things like this and let's make sure we can do positive things about that and that means
continuing to hack continuing to create and continuing to use technology in the ways that
you see fit and others don't so we must know about these things because it's absolutely about technology
it's absolutely about about how we want to use it right the right crazy wacky things we want to do
with it are zany antics hey the definition we had out of the book earlier that uh read that the listener
sent in so let's make sure we we use things like this and let's be active um let's let's i and share the
story with people let the look at the word out let people hear it i was gonna say the f word thank you
not not not no no not not the four-letter word the five-letter word fight um i was gonna say fight
things like this but let's let's not say that because they probably wouldn't like that let's let's
be active let's be proactive let's educate ourselves each other and others yes positive positive positivity
yes all right well um i think we're done i think we're done yeah let's wrap it up um shout outs um
if i may i'll go ahead and just shout out to decoder lucky 225 doug rigel5 royal everybody who's been on
default radio and there's been a lot of them so i didn't leave anybody out intentionally but there's
been a lot of people that's the show i listen to when i get to work monday every day i can't listen
to it friday nights usually because i'm out working or something else so i listen to it monday
during work makes my day makes me laugh gives me something great to listen to so shouts to all those
guys from me same here man i love default radio that's funny stuff it's so much fun it's hilarious
decoder's my hero yeah and shouts to kizzle for doing his show i dig that uh i dig that 10 minute
format that's kind of cool i'm gonna be pimping that on old school freak and uh shouts to my
dog stank shout to my dogs mute and bland and uh and all the phoenix crew yeah i really enjoy all
the radio that's been coming out the phone shows right uber lido uh yeah it's a lot of fun it's a
lot of fun lots of good stuff hacks or radio dtmf there's a lot of stuff coming out hopefully some
of it will stick around we'll see yeah it will um a reminder that 2600 meetings are coming up this
friday like i said if you've never been go check it out you know what even if and i don't know if
i should say this even if you don't go talk to people just kind of walk past it and listen get
an idea what it's like what it's for i bet you'll get pulled in to sit down if you just go give it a
chance yeah it's good stuff just go sit and talk tech with a bunch of geeks if nothing else you know
don't have to get into a bunch of presentations and projects and corny stuff just stop talk listen
you know hang out right you know what i i gotta do this too because i i've i've been listening to
it i have to give shouts to ram radio and and um and sam and his show and smokehouse that's a good
show i've been listening to it and i do enjoy it okay seriously so i because i i really i miss
sean k's radio show a lot that was that was my favorite shit in the whole world his his radio show
and it's gone but ramspeak is the closest thing to it so i've been enjoying that so good
shouts around radio and i've been listening to industrial station because you can only take so
much of digitally imported so i've been listening to the industrial station that's some good shit so
good glad to hear that um email feedback for any of the stuff we've talked about on the show radio
at binrev.com articles if you want to submit articles for the magazine send them to articles
at binrev.com the sooner we get enough good articles the sooner the magazine will come out
bottom line period and since you since you mentioned kizzle shouts to him because he
recommended our closing music tonight a group called optimus rhyme and this is a track called
fuzzy dice a little nerdcore hip-hop for you and dual thank you again for being on the show for
plugging in with us for a little while thank you i'm sweating from ranting get me so hyped up during
the show doggone it yeah i missed that that's one of my favorite pieces of radio as well your rants
classic yeah i'm trying to keep my blood pressure down so you're trying to kill me you're trying to
get my blood pressure up man all right but i guess that's going to do it unless you had anything else
i guess we'll uh close it out what do you think sounds good see everybody next week same hack time
three four
all right let's see here fuzzy dice check
wacker cross bobble head dog check diesel infant uh check cool look at me i'm a taxi cab driver go
down the street scope potential riders hey girl where you going what's up dude i'll pick you there if
you got that look are you checking me i'm just a taxi cab driver i charge a fee it's credits for saliva
yo bot just keep your grill off the weather we'll go through two time zones here together
i got my boss on my back for a little hit and run i light up media rights for fun i work through the night
yo i never see the sun channeling dead bots they took my solar paneling for fun
oh fuckers now i gotta refuel more frequently play my round about a week in advance there's no chance for
a bot like me never should have been dead on but then you simply climb i'm missing gears like you
wouldn't believe cheated on my caviar exam for bank pedigree now here's a band that i think i should
take these human females man they always tip great hop on in what's happening where you headed ladies
they pointed straight off i hit the helium pedal i don't mean the metal girls but this neighborhood
is climbing what you're doing here with your nice and shiny boots i heard a boom and i turned to look
behind me these earth girls melted down to mortal magma doors those fuckers always leaving lava on my
formats as they walk from one light form to another then i'm gonna get the last laugh i got a door that's
electric i'll shock him down the further huh now that i'm up i'ma stop by the depot my boss gets around
two and it's three so i think i'm safe i hit the keypad eight seven eight secret pass card denied oh great
man that's all i need did not forget my cavi b i grab me three batteries they deval for three then i hit the
scene i gotta call the imperial war got some drunk vibes at the queen's ball
yes yes y'all
throws up a class box a stack they tissue from the credits they not even look back so i'm gone
but right this life might prove beneficial so facetime with the realm of official
hey yo look at me i'm a taxi cab driver go down the street scope potential riders hey girl
where you going what's up dude i'll take you there if you got that room yo you're checking me
i'm just a taxi cab driver i told your feet it's credit to saliva hey just keep your grill off the
letter we'll go through two times don't hit together i'm pushing my grandma key across 520
seattle fares ain't shit east siders have plenty to spare swear away with that bastard dispatcher i'm
still making more than i did with that rap shit i'm well known by the cops in this section my expired
tabs give them all an erection the intersection is packed with other cabbies collecting the cheese
yo exploiting the japanese i got clearance to land on earth beta because my fake data comes from
the mess makers i've got a cap to rent any takers if not i'll just sit right back and read the paper
bootleggers and pimps black is the market around the block kids circling my cockpit i got a glock
cocked inside my pocket don't matter how cocky you are you can't stop it picked up a couple at a bar up
on 35th i'll be back folks unless you got a cigarette went inside grabbed a carton of carlton's came back
out holy shit my fucking car's gone now you can skip on a tip i'll be a ijo and maybe ride without
pain hey i'll let it go but if you're jacking my ride i'm playing hero reanimate kubrick i feel like
de niro gun touching smoking wide open my eyes penetrate the disguise of freeloading that's
criminals now under the impression i'ma let him go i ain't eastwood but the shit is unforgivable
not a word to say i took all of the clothes away stashed the heat in the ashtrays lit up the broadway
it's okay kids i know you ain't gay so i'ma end this with a fuck you but have a nice day
all the visual intelligence is overrated i'm never gonna make it but i hate it out here
i wish i was a toaster oven some dude's basement oh what the fuck man i'm stuck in fourth gear
but fuckers i paid it just to only play my brake pads but i could tell they had a transmission fetish
i could see it in the shitty eyeballs it was sad they saw my seven speed it probably busted out the
i've got me into that a point to do or whatever it's very bad faster
so i'm never gonna make it but i hate it out here i waited all year and i still get up and take it
Yo, I'm never gonna make it, but I hate it out here.
I'll swallow my beer.
Then I'll step up and I'll sing your song
and I'll do it someday.
I'm gonna step up and I'll sing your song
and I'll sing your song
And I'll do it someday.
I'm gonna step up and I'll sing your song
and I'll sing your song
And I'll sing your song
and I'll sing your song