This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats
You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
I got nothing
How's that for an opening?
I got nothing
That's a pretty good opening to me
Alright, at least it's not alright
At least it's something different
This is episode 51 of Binary Revolution Radio
I think
It's kind of late
I'm starting to lose track of my mindset here
And I am joined again, episode 51
By our returning co-host, Cy Pete
Hello
And we had last week, episode 50
Which was the telephonic craptacular
The second telephonic craptacular
And because of that
It's been a couple weeks since we had a live show
A pseudo live show
So we've got a lot of email backed up
And we're going to start with that
Because we've got quite a few
So many in fact
That I'm not going to be able to do all of them today
Because it would be a whole show full of email
Because they were good, good emails
And we're going to go into depth on some answers on some of them
So some of them are going to wait until the next show
And we'll talk more about that at the end
Because we've got some interesting scheduling things coming up soon
So we'll talk about that towards the end of the show
So first of all
Let's just jump into some emails
And the first one is from an old friend of ours, Droops
And he says a few things
But I wanted to braid
Let's see, this part says
I read the Wall Street Journal every day
And I'm always thinking that the community would be interested in some of the articles
I'm thinking of doing a little show like Uberlito
That I read and talk about some of the articles
Again, keep up the good work
If you ever come to Mississippi
Give me a shout
Well, Droops
I actually do get around the Dirty South
The Dirty Dirty quite a bit
I've got relatives scattered around
And I kind of make it up and down the East Coast
So that might possibly happen
So if I ever do make it up to Mississippi
I will definitely give you a shout
And see if we can hook up
And let's see
The radio show that you're talking about
Obviously I support
Even Cy Pete and I were talking earlier
About maybe some other ideas for some shows
Once we get this radio station up and going
And we're going to talk about more of that later
That's really one of the main things we're going to talk about
And Cy Pete's been doing a lot of good work on that
We're going to talk about that in a lot more detail
Because it's a project that I've been
I just haven't had time to dedicate to it
And it's been on the back burner
And I feel real bad about that that's taking so long
So I'm really trying to bump that up in priority
So we're going to talk about that a little bit
And let you know our plans for that
So we'll definitely hook up with you for that
And anybody, frankly
I'll consider just about any show people
As long as it's somewhat hacking related
Tech related
Even very loosely
I mean, if people have seen Hack TV
They know that even the car
You know, that's some borderline stuff
People don't consider hacking
I've got a very broad definition of hacking
I'm very liberal with my definition of hacking
So any kind of ideas
Anything you want to submit
I'll be more than welcome
We've got, you know
We're going to be streaming reruns
Of Binary Revolution Radio
RFA
All default radio
Tons of different shows
So, you know
That's going to get old and repetitive after a while
So the more shows we get on there
The more variety we have
The better as far as I'm concerned
So, by all means
Contact us
We'll give you some more details today
And then hopefully in the upcoming weeks
When we really start scheduling some stuff
Because I have some great shows
People that have contacted me
That have already said
Yes, we will get it up and running
And scheduled
And we will get regularly scheduled
Weekly shows on there
That are good
That are really good shows
So, I'm really trying to get that going
Because I know that kind of throws up
Other people's plans as well
And you mentioned Uberlito
And I really should pimp this show more
And I should have mentioned it in the past
But this is such a cool show
Go to
Hackermedia.net
Slash Uberlito
U-B-E-R
L-E-E-T-O
And check out Uberlito
It comes out every week
Once or twice a week
Great show
Very funny
Go check that out
And Droops
When you get yours running
We'll put yours on as well
We'll work something out
And anybody else
Like I said
And finally
Just a little teaser
And actually
I haven't even told Droops
This yet
Yet officially
But you can look for Droops
Coming up
On Hack TV episode 2
Just a little teaser
A little mouth-watering teaser there
Yeah, the Uberlito site
Definitely looks like
It's got some
Professional design there
Yeah, that's good stuff, man
Oh yeah
Gonna get a Webby award for this
Yeah
Oh, it's
Dude, it's all about content
Not Flash
Mm-hmm
Yeah, huh
Um, let's see
Next email was
Is from Soundwave
Soundwave's emailed us before
He says
Dear Stankdog
Last time I wrote in
It was under the name Soundwave
And that's still the name
But I had to get a new address
And ditch AOL
Because they lick more
Um, hmm
Hmm
How do I say this
With keeping my language
Under control
If it's a direct quote
They're not very good
Hmm
Yeah
Yeah, they're not very good
They lick more donkey
Than a male prostitute
That doesn't work either
Anyway
Um, AOL is suck
So, um
Let's see
The reason I'm writing you is
One, to thank you for reading my email on the air
Don't worry about that
If it's good email
We'd love hearing fact from listeners
Second is that I want
That I went to the 20
Okay, let me preface
Let me give a little back story here
This, this young man
Was the person who was
Tentative about going to his first 2600 meeting
He found out there was one fairly near him
He'd never been before
And we encouraged him to go
And let us know how it turned out
So, obviously that's what he's doing here
Uh, he went to the 2600 meeting
And to much disappointment
Not a soul was there
So I got a coffee
And sat down a bit
To see if anyone would show
Well, over at one table was a small group
Forming
But all they had were guitars
And no laptops of any kind
So I just sat and listened
Because hackers can be anyone
I love to hear people say that
Hackers can be anyone
So don't judge a book by its cover
So as I sat there more and more
People joined the group
And every once in a while
I will hear something about a computer set
But it sounds mostly
Like in the office type thing
So finally one gets up
And goes inside to order
So I follow
Because I'm way too chicken
To ask the whole group
Thank God I did
Because I asked the guy inside
If the group he is with
Outside is the 2600 meeting
I got the worst look of confusion
I have ever gotten
Followed by
What the hell is that
So my gut hits the floor
And my
The flower?
The floor
And my face turned red
With embarrassment
For waiting an hour
You following with me here, Pete?
Yeah
You see what I'm doing here?
Uh-huh
Embarrassment for waiting an hour
Watching these hippies with guitars
Desperately hoping they were hackers
So I do a 180 and walk out
Not saying a word
With my self-esteem
Following far behind
So now I don't know
What I'm going to do
I live in Orange County, California
And the meeting I went to
Was in Lake Forest
So as far as the 2600 site goes
The next closest meeting
Is in the Union Station in L.A.
But with the famous
California rush hour traffic
The meeting will be long over
By the time I get there
So if I can't find a meeting
I will have to stick
With the way I've been
Getting my knowledge
By downloading your show
And burning it to an MP3 CD
And playing it in my car
Don't get me wrong
I love the show
Listening to Rant Radio at work
And downloading every show
And video I can find
On the net at home
It just would be nice
To have some friends
To talk to
And share knowledge with
Because I'll tell you
What anytime
I tell you what
Anytime I start talking
About computers to my lady
She gives me this look of death
Like she wants to put
A knife in my throat
Yeah
That look is very
So any feedback
From you or the listeners
Or where I can meet up
With some people
So I can find a way
To share and feed
This hunger for knowledge
That will make a world
Of difference
And I won't have to bore you
With this book of an email
It was a pretty long one
But that's okay
A little too late for that
Yeah
Well I'll end with a big
Thank you
And even bigger apology
For the long email
Nah we're kidding
No big deal
I am loving this show
And don't stop
Thanks
Soundwave
P.S.
Look out for Deadly Halon
Okay
That's already ingrained
In my mind permanently
I'm always watching
For Deadly Halon
As in actual Halon
As in
As in episode 13
I think it was
My Deadly Halon story
Oh okay
Okay first of all
Yeah this is
Actually you will have
You can probably talk
About this a little bit too
But let me make a couple
Points here
First of all
Because I kind of
Said last time
That he should check this out
And kind of
Embarrassed or ashamed
For our community
That nobody showed up
To meet him there
But
First of all
Him being embarrassed
There's no need
For that at all
That's
You know
Pete and I
Talk about this a lot
That
You know what
If worst case scenario
You go and hang out
At the mall
Or in your case
It's a coffee shop
You go hang out
At the coffee shop
Have a coffee
Read a magazine
It's not like
It's a lost day
You know
It's a nice relaxing
Get away
Even if you just
End up talking to one person
Or reading
Or whatever
It's not such a big deal
There's absolutely
No reason for embarrassment
About something like that
It didn't work out
Which kind of stinks
But
One chance
Or one opportunity
Don't
Don't abandon the whole thing
Just because it didn't work out
The first try
I went and checked out
The 2600 website
I'm sure you did the same thing
And you see obviously
That the meeting is listed
On their active meetings list
However
They don't have a webpage
And that's a very important
Thing
That's a very important
Point of contact
A very important presence
So that people know
That the meeting
Is in fact active
So I went out
And searched
And I could not
Find a webpage
However
I did find something promising
I did a little searching
And a little
Kind of chain of consciousness
Searching there
And found
Actually a couple people
That had just
Personal blogs
Out on the web
And I found out
That they also
Tried to meet
At that same coffee house
The same coffee place
That you did
Looking for
The same meeting
And they were posting
In their blogs
How disappointed they were
That no one showed up
That no one was there
For the 2600 meeting
So it's not
Only you
That had this problem
There are obviously people
That are looking
To get this going
And get it started
There are people
Who do want to get together
And talk
So
I am trying to get in touch
With him
Believe it or not
I looked everywhere
On his blog site
And couldn't find
An email address
To contact him
So I'm
Trying some things
Trying webmaster
See if I can get in touch
With him
And mention to him
That there are other people
In his area
And see if maybe
You can get you guys
Hooked up
And maybe get it going
Again
All you got to do
Is get a couple people
Going
And it will grow
From there
You've got to make
People realize
That it's still going on
And a website
Will go far into that
Again
SIP
Is going to
To be able
To say that too
And again
I mentioned before
This happened to me
I went to the first meeting
And I didn't see anybody there
I went back the next week
And there were people there
You know
Sometimes it's just
People couldn't make it
For one simple reason
Or another
So definitely don't
Chance in on one meeting
And now we get
I mean
We get like 15 people
Or more don't we
Well
Easily 20 people last time
Yeah 15 to 20 people
And growing
Every time
We've had a new person
Like every month
For the past few months
So
It just has to get started
There's obviously
People interested
There's obviously
People that are
You know
Willing to go
You just got to get
People excited
And let them know
That it exists
And it sounds like
You know
If you're really interested
You may be the one
That just
Organizes it a bit
You know
You don't have to
Over organize it
Which I've been accused of
On many occasions
You don't have to go
Completely overboard
But just put up a website
I mean
Is that
Would that be your advice
Oh yeah
Definitely
The one most crucial thing
I'd say
About getting enough people
To your meeting
Was to have a way
To contact them all
And to organize
Organizing
Is the one way
That people will keep going
Because if you go
To one meeting
Your first time
And you don't find
Anyone there
Chances are
You're not going to
Go back again
Because you're thinking
Oh
The meeting's dead
And I didn't see
Any website
Where the other
25 people
Who regularly go
Were you know
Talking about
What they talk about
The next time
And on that website
They happened to mention
They wouldn't be there
For the first 30 minutes
Because they wanted
To go to CompUSA
And do some
Well
Well whatever
Or whatever
Shopping
Yeah shopping
Sure whatever
And so
Basically having a website
Or a mailing list
Or some other way
To organize your meeting
Is probably the most
Important part
Of having a meeting
Now
You may not be
The coordinator
Of your meeting
If there is a coordinator
Because no one
Really runs the meeting
It's just whoever
Decides to say
Hey everybody
We're meeting up
And make sure
And meet us by
The Taco Bell
Or some crap like that
And you notice how I say
Crap there
Instead of something else
Yeah good job
Yeah I'm watching
We're doing pretty well
So far if I say so myself
Yeah we just gotta
Keep watching
So anyway
When you're trying
To get people
To go to the meeting
For example
It's always a good idea
To have flyers
And stuff
Or write up a little
Card that says
Some basic information
About where you're gonna meet
When you're gonna meet
Have a couple of those
In your pocket
You know and just
As you're wandering
Through a bookstore
Or something
If you see a guy
Holding a programming book
Hand them one of these
Little flyer cards things
And say hey
You know we have
This little meeting
Every month
Why don't you stop by
And they're like
Okay sure
And they may not show up
The first month
Or the second
But they may show up
The third
The thing to remember
Is to keep going
And as you stay there
Each month
More people
Will slowly
Sort of build up
Even if you got
Your laptop open
Or something
And a bunch of
2600s
On a desk
Or something
And people walk by
And say hey
What's that
And they start
To learn about it
They'll get more
Interested
And they'll keep going
So definitely
Find a website
Or if there isn't
One already
Go ahead and start one
You can call it
The official
Meeting website
Or not
Doesn't really matter
And then let 2600 know
If they don't have it
Already in their
Official list of websites
Go and email them
And every month
Tell them hey
I'm still going
To the meetings
And there's not
That many people going
But I'm
I'm still
Dedicated to it
And eventually
They'll put it
On their official list
And as soon as
The meeting
And the meetings
Website
Is on their
Official list
On 2600.com
Then a lot
More people
Will start coming
Because that's
The one place
That they go to
To check if
That kind of stuff
Is there
Yeah and
Unfortunately
The problem here
Is that it is
On their official list
At 2600
But there's no
Website address
And there's no
Contact person
That's another
Thing that becomes
A problem
Actually
Because obviously
They don't
Like they don't
Hire anybody
To look over
The list
They've got to
Have over 500
Or a thousand
Or so different
Entries on the list
And you know
After months
And months
The stuff gets
Stale because
Some meetings
Will die
And some meetings
Will just grow
Out of nothing
So every
I say
I guess every
Year or so
They look over
Their list
And if there's
Any dead links
Or something
Then they
Take it off
Their list
And they say
Oh the meeting's
Not
They're not
E-mailing us
Telling them
About the meeting
Anymore
So we'll just
Assume they
Don't exist
Or if people
Start complaining
That no one's
Going
Then they'll
Take it off
The list
And that's
The problem
You have to
Actually tell
Them that you're
Going
So that they
Actually know
That their people
Are going
Right
And let's
See what else
Was it
Pretty much
It's just
The whole thing
About the meeting
Is you know
If you don't
Have someone
Else to meet
There
Then chances
Are they're
Not going
To even know
That you're
Out there
For the meeting
So wearing
Some kind
Of 2600 gear
Or any
Other hacker
Gear
Or you know
Web
Internet type
Of culture
Gear
Yeah I usually
Show up first
At our meeting
And I just
Bust out the
Laptop
That's you know
The most obvious
Thing I can bring
Yeah a laptop
Is usually a good
Indication
But again
If you're say
Meeting at a mall
Or something
There's a lot
Of people
That could have
Laptops
So wearing
A little hat
That says
I am
Elite
Even though
It's kind of
Lame
Can at least
Attract
The kind
You know
People will
Know
You're not
There because
You wear
This every day
To school
And work
And stuff
Unless of course
You do wear
That to school
Every day
And work
And stuff
Yeah
Because remember
I come straight
From work
So I definitely
Don't dress the part
I don't
My dress is
Definitely not
Going to draw
People over
And say
You know
That there's
A 2600 meeting
Going on
Well a laptop
With the stickers
Though that say
I am elite
Or whatever they say
That helps
Yeah
But yeah
The whole
Getting embarrassed
Thing
You really don't
Need to get
Embarrassed
About that kind
Of thing
I mean
You know
Totally
Totally not
Like I said
Treat it as
Hell go get
A cup of coffee
Geez
You never gone
To get a cup
Of coffee
Before
Exactly
Just you know
Sit and chill
And wait for the people
If you wait there
For like 15 minutes
And you don't
See anybody
And then you leave
Chances are
Someone was an hour
Late
Or an hour and a half
Late
A lot of times
People will come
Either early or late
And if you don't
Stick around
You miss them
So
And I don't
I don't know
If it's appropriate
I don't see
Why it's not
But you also
Might search
I didn't think
About this
Until just now
You might check
To see if there's
A DEFCON meeting
They may have
Just changed the name
I know that's
Happened to a lot
Of groups
There may be
A DEFCON group
You know
They may have
Switched over to it
Or they may be
Running concurrently
I know some places
Do that where it's
Kind of a joint meeting
You may do a search
For DEFCON meeting
In that area
They may have
Just moved locations
Changed names
So that might be
Another thing to look into
We were talking earlier
About the fact that
Supposedly there was
A meeting near us
In Miami
A DEFCON meeting
That had this website
Put up
And they were in
The official list
Of DEFCON meetings
And what not
But the problem is
No one else seems
To be interested
In the meeting
Because no one
Seems to be updating
The website
With any information
Like oh I went
This month
And nobody came
But I'm still
Going to keep going
Putting something
Putting something like
That is important
Because otherwise
People are just
Going to think
That it's dead
At this point
It probably is dead
Because it's been
Several months
Of no real updates
Other than some
Mailings that I think
You've gotten
Yeah they seem to be
Trying to revive it
I don't know how
Well it's going to go
But unfortunately
It's a little bit
Out of my way
But
Yeah it's a little
Closer to me
But still
But the point
That you're
Illustrating is
This illustrates
The point you
Were making
And that is
That the simple
Act of receiving
An email from them
Tells me that
That meeting is active
Oh yeah
If somebody said
Hey is there a
Meeting in Miami
I would have said
Two three months ago
I would have said
No the site's been
Dead for a year
But if they would
Have asked me recently
I would have said
I think they are active
Because I'm getting
Emails from them
So
That actually reminds me
Of the Miami story
For a while
Probably a good
Four to eight
Years
The big meeting
In South Florida
Was the Miami
2600 meeting
Where they'd get
Anywhere from
Five to
Thirty or forty
People sometimes
They would have
Several tables
Just full of people
There
Nice
I'm sorry
I said nice
Yeah
So
Yeah they had
This raised seating
In the Dayland mall
Where all these
You know
A bunch of hackers
Would come
And sort of
Sit and chat
And they'd get
Some food from
Chick-fil-A
Or McDonald's
Or something
That's right
We feed the commerce
Of the mall
Damn you people
Out there
That's right
All these mall
Security people
Hassling us
Because we've got
Laptops out
And because we
Trip people over
With our laptop cores
And you know
I mean hey
It's not our fault
You should make it
More accessible
Exactly
Welcome to the year
2004 upgrade
Yeah
And so wireless
Access points
In these malls
Wouldn't be a bad idea
Amen
I mean hell
How better of a way
To get the already
Fat Americans
To just chow down
More food
Than to make them
Sit there
In one place
For hours at a time
Just buying food
Continuously
And browsing the web
How much can it
Cost them
Oh hey
I'd move my office
To the mall
Yeah I mean
There's already
Tons of kiosks
At the mall
That have
What they claim
Is a T1
Like a full T1
In their little kiosk
Like the Dell kiosk
Hell even if it was
DSL
Even if it was
IDSL
That would be
Enough for me
A little bit
Higher than
Modem speed
Would be great
For me
Just sit at the mall
Read some email
SSH to home
Do some coding
Or something
It would be perfect
But no
They'd rather just
Make us pay
Insane amounts
Like
The coffee shops
That they required
You to spend
Like 20 bucks
Just to surf
For a couple of hours
While you're drinking
Their coffee
Well not according
To ZeroDB
If you read his
Recent findings
Well this is just
Based on one of my
Previous information
Right
These coffee shops
Especially the
T-Mobile
Access stations
Which I tried
To get into
But didn't get
Very far
But in any case
Anyway
The Miami meeting
Was good
Nice rant by the way
Thank you
The Miami meeting
Was okay
I should say
Because I noticed
Something that a lot
Of people have been
Telling us about
Our 954-2600 meeting
Which is that
There are elitist people
Or at least
The people don't seem
That friendly to new people
And I noticed that
At the Miami meeting
Because you'd get
The obviously
Hardcore
Hackshores
Who knew a lot
More than you did
Sitting at this little table
There'd be seven or eight of them
Tightly knit group
Obviously they've been
Friends for a while now
Talking about
Who knows what
Usually not even
Really tech related
Just general
You know
How are you
I'm fine
Did I tell you
About this girl
Yeah
She's total
Slot
And there'd be the other people
Like the sort of
Average users
And then the
The sort of
Neophytes
Sort of gathered away
From the elite
Hackshores
And they felt
I for one
Was one of those
And I felt left out
I felt like I wanted
To learn stuff
And I thought
That you know
They could be
Really useful
And they could
Teach me some stuff
And that would be
Really cool
But they apparently
Just didn't want
To talk to someone
Who wasn't already
You know
As knowledgeable
As they were
So they sort of
Just separated
Onto a different table
And at our meeting
We don't really have
That many people yet
But what I try to do
Is at least say hello
To each new person
That I see
And you know
Hi
What do you do
Are you more interested
In hardware
Software is the
Most common topic
That I have
To come up with
And you know
The big problem
We are having
Is because
We can't really
Organize our tables
That well
So having one conversation
With more than
Two different people
At a time
Is really difficult
So of course
There's going to be
People sitting at the end
That can only listen
Because even if
They wanted to chime in
We couldn't hear them
So it's difficult
For new users
But something to consider
Is that when you're
Going to a meeting
For the first time
Get involved
Don't just sit
From the sidelines
It's fine to sit
From the sidelines
But you know
You're not going to learn
And you're just going
To feel left out
Just ask a question
Just start talking
To someone
Be open
Being antisocial
Does not help you learn
As a hacker
Really
So the Miami meeting
Going back to that again
By the way
For the listeners
That was a little jab
At me
He snuck in there
Because he wants me
To have the tables
All arranged
When I get there
Hey I never said that
I just said that
You know
It would be nice
If we could
Figure out an arrangement
That we could do
At each meeting
Okay
I usually just pull up
A table as people arrive
But by the time
More and more people arrive
It's kind of awkward
For me to pull up
20 tables all at the same time
And sit by myself
So I usually just
Kind of do it
And wing it
As we go along
Whatever
You know
It's just a meeting
I know
No big deal
But yeah
I usually do
The U arrangement
So that we can
Get around
To different conversations
Easier
But in any case
Like
Kind of like
Going to
Pop Goes the Weasel
Dance at the strip club
Where everybody
Gets to see
Every one of the
Stripper girls
And they go from
I'm sorry
Never mind
Take that out
Pretend I didn't say that
Okay
Anyway
So back to
The Miami meeting
I guess
That was a good one
So anyway
Eventually
These
Tight knit group
Of hackers
Just stopped
Coming for some reason
I guess they got jobs
Or they got back
Into school or something
And they
Slowly but surely
The higher ranking
Members stopped coming
And their friends
Stopped coming
And their friends
Stopped coming
And eventually
All you had
Was a bunch of
Non-regulars
Coming and checking
Out the meeting
And they'd meet
One or two new people
And they'd talk
About whatever
But there wouldn't be
Really that much
Interesting stuff
To talk about
So they thought
This isn't that great
And as an aside
Because the regulars
Weren't coming anymore
No one was updating
The website
So people thought
That the meeting
Was dead
Even though the new people
Were still coming
And they had a mailing list
That eventually
Every so often
Someone would email it
And I had stopped
Coming a long time ago
Because Miami was just
Too far for me
To do every month
But at this point
I had already started up
The 954 meeting
Because it was a lot closer
And basically
I had started it
With the idea
That I could have
A local meeting
For people in this area
Instead of just
Everybody from down south
And so eventually
After a year
And a half or so
2600 got this big
They got all their energy together
And they decided
They were going to
Clean up their meeting list
And they got rid of
A whole slew of meetings
I think actually
Probably two or three
Florida meetings
Got killed
And one or two
Got added
Which was nice
And we helped
Foster one or two of them
In the early days
And finally they got in
Which was cool
And we've fostered
One recently
We've been sub-hosting
One of the other
Florida 2600 groups
On our site
Oh yeah that's right
I can't remember
Which one it was
Tampa
Oh okay
Yeah I actually
Lived in Tampa
For six months
And I wanted to
Start a meeting there
But then I had to
Move after six months
So I didn't get a chance to
But I'm really glad
That they have one
In Tampa now
Because there's
Quite a few people
Up there that are
Probably interested in it
Because there's like
A lot of tech
Up there anyway
So the key is
To keep updating
Your meetings and stuff
Otherwise you're going
To end up
Like this Miami meeting
Actually I stopped
Updating the website
For our meeting
A while back
I sort of
Just sort of
Step back and said
Okay I'm not going
To organize it anymore
Because it was just
A little bit too much
Work for me personally
I had other stuff
I wanted to do
And I didn't want to
Have to find a ride
To the meeting
Because I didn't have
A car yet
And I just
I just wanted to
Step back from it
And so I
I said okay
Whoever wants to
Start running the website
Just let me know
I'll forward all the
Emails to you
I'll switch all the
Domains over to you
And you can just do
Whatever the hell
You want to do with it
And eventually
Newstankdog and
ZeroDB
Decided to get a domain
And just sort of
Put up a site
And it grew into
What it is today
Which is with forums
And you know
Like articles and stuff
And it's still growing
But I think it's
A pretty good site
And it's certainly
Good enough for
You know just
Communicating amongst
Everybody else
And do you know
We have 40 registered
Members on that site
That's not bad
Actually I remember
Back in the day
Way back in the day
When I had the little
Really really really
Crappy site that I did
And we put up a
Matt's script archive
Message board
Which was just one
Big page with
Everybody's posts
And it was a slew
Of posts
So message boards
Are probably one of
The best ways to
Communicate I think
Because we had
Tons of people posting
Until they kicked
Our freaking
Web account
Because we had
A web page
Detailing how to
Well to use
Net zero dial up
Without actually
Paying for it
After a certain
Amount of time
Or it was using
The ads
It was a way
To get around
The ads
And Hypermart
Didn't like that
So they got rid
Of it and they
Deleted all our files
And that was nice
Of them
Great
Yeah
Oh well
Alright
Well
But yeah
There you go
Keeping the news
Updates is good
And having some
Way for everybody
To talk
A mailing list
Like the one
That we have
Now which was
Graciously set up
By zero db
To give them
Props for that
And that's pretty
Much all you need
To know
Just keep going
If you think
People aren't
Going
Just you know
Make sure you
Keep staying there
For a good hour
Or two
Just chill out
And read a magazine
Or something
Have a little
Baseball cap on
Since 2600 or something
A little sticker
Or something
Won't kill you
And that's about
All there is
And if you think
That this meeting
Really is dead
And for whatever
Area of the country
You are in
And there's no
Meeting near you
Don't be afraid
To just start up
Your own meeting
There's details
All over the web
2600 has their
Little guidelines
And you can go
To whatever the
Urls at 2600.com
And they'll explain
To you how you
Can start passing
Out flyers
You can email
2600
Set up your own
Website
And keep
Updating it
As you progress
If there really
Is a community
Around you
For hackers
Then people
Will start going
And you can
Have your own
Little subculture
In your own
Little area
Of town
That's just
Dedicated to
How you have fun
There's got to be
There's really
There really does
Have to be a lot
More people
In there
He's just
Outside of LA
It sounds like
A little bit
Outside of LA
There's got to be
A lot of other
People there
So definitely
Go follow up
On it
And we'll see
Like I said
I'm trying to
Get in touch
With some people
In your area
And see if we
Can get something
Going for you
Sounds cool
Alright
Boy we're running
Low here
So let's
Start burning
Through some of
These
I got another
Email from
Swamp Rat
Says
If you guys
Don't mind
I would like
To make
A commercial
For our radio
Station to
Advertise you
Guys at
BinRev
We have been
Carrying your
Stream when
You're live
In your past
Archives for a
Week now
And it's been
A great response
From our listeners
We have links
Up to you guys
Already but would
Like to make
A professional radio
Commercial
One thing
Can you guys
Mention us on
The next show
Okay
Done
Check
We are
Black Shoe
Radio Network
www.blackshoe.net
Okay absolutely
Obviously there's
Your plug plug
Have fun with
That
Go check
Them out
And I've
Already emailed
Back and told
Them of course
That they're
More than welcome
To do what
They want to do
With the show
As long as
Everybody goes
By and not
Just for them
But anybody
You're more than
Welcome to take
The show
Just stick with
The Creative Commons
License that we've
Created
And it's
Very very free
It's not very
Restrictive at all
You can do what
You want to do
With it
Just don't sell
It
Don't make money
Off of it
Because we're not
So I don't want
Someone else
Making money
Off of it
And you know
I don't want
People editing it
And changing out
You know
And taking credit
Away or trying
To give credit
To someone else
Taking someone's
Name off of it
And putting someone
Else's and claiming
It is their own
So as long as
You just go by
The Creative Commons
License
Don't modify
The ID3 tags
You know
Leave the credit
In there
And stuff like that
I even don't mind
If you take
Like if there's only
Say we talked about
A particular subject
And you don't want
The whole show
You only want
Part of it
I don't have a problem
With you doing that
Either
Cut and edit the MP3
All you want to
Just keep the proper
Credit in there
And you know
Maybe a link back
To us would be nice
I don't think
That's too much
To ask
And other than that
I'm very very open
I want you guys
To spread this
Do what you want
To do with it
I'm very cool
With that
Okay
Another one here
We got from
Knave
And he says
Hey Stankdog
I am a fan
Of the show
And an ex-comp
Sci major
In Vermont
Now Infosys
Information system
I enjoy listening
To you at work
During the days
I wanted to send
You a link
To my music
In the hopes
That you find
Something you like
And might play
On your show
The website I did
For a stupid class
And was forced
To use front page
It was a baloney
Assignment
Boy I'm doing good today
But they let me
Use their server space
For my files
I'm paraphrasing
I'll put this
This is kind of
A long link
I'll put it up
In the show notes
If you have time
I always appreciate
Creative criticism
Mail me back
With your thoughts
Thanks for the good show
To listen to
During my grueling
Work days
Yeah I do the same thing
I listen to default radio
In the now
All these other shows
Uberlito I mentioned earlier
During the work day
While I'm coding
And stuff like that
So I'm glad you like it
And find it interesting
And I did just this morning
Get around to listening
To some of your stuff
So I'm actually going to
Close the show out later
With the most recent track
That you have on this
So thanks for listening
To the show
And we'll close with that
Later on
To end out the show
Let's see
We've got a couple more here
We've got an email
From Raif
R-A-I-F
Dear Stank
And co-host
That would be you
Yep
See
And just also
For the record
Soon
It's not always
Going to be
Stank and co-host
I'm looking forward
To a vacation soon
And turning the show
Over to some people
For a while
So I know it seems
Like it's always
Stank and
Insert name here
But that's
Not the case at all
And
More importantly
Is the insert name here
Those are the people
That give me best content
I'm just the
I'm just the pilot
I guess
Everybody else is the one
That's doing all the work
I'm just the guy
Trying to
Overanalyze it
And write show novels
Aw shucks
Anyway
A couple of days ago
I was googling for plans
For some homebrew electronics
And found
Binary Revolution
It warms the cockles
Of my heart
Can you repeat that word please
Um
Warms
No the one before it
It
Okay the one
Two words after it
Um
Cockless
I mean cockles
Yeah
Wait I didn't hear it right
Can you say it again
Um it warms the cockles
Okay I heard it
The cockles
Of my heart
That is kind of a cool word
I don't think I've ever
Gotten that one in an email
Before either
That's another first
And let's hope
It's not the last
I should
Cockles is a word
That should be used
More often
Oh definitely
Because it warms
The cockles of my heart
To hear people say cockles
Me too
Uh
It warms the cockles
Of this gentleman's heart
To see someone
Giving back to the
Hacker community
Like you and DDP are
Anyway enough ass guessing
No no no
Keep coming
Alright fine
Um I'm going to be doing
Some pen testing next month
On a wireless network
I use Kismet for sniffing
And Air Snort for web cracking
I know I can crack the network
Within a few days
But I want to drive home
The point that wireless
Is very vulnerable
That's why I've been
Searching for plans
For a 2.4 gigahertz jammer
I know you can make one
With a microwave
But I don't want to fry
Any organic life
That may get in the way
Any ideas for a homebrew jammer
Thanks guys
Well actually
I just heard on
Slash.red
On Slash.tod
Today or yesterday
Or something
Someone had made
Wallpaper
Which was able to
Reflect radio frequencies
Yeah actually
I have that in the
Show notes for
The next show
I was going to bring that up
I saw that exact same thing
Ah
And we talked about
The idea of a jammer
On
Very very early
Episodes of
Binary Revolution Radio
Like in the
You know
In the single digits
I think we talked about it
Back with
When Wintermute
Was on the show
Fairly regularly
So what I did
Is I went and
Contacted Wintermute
He's our resident expert
On ham and radio waves
And stuff like that
So
I contacted Wintermute
On his European vacation
His tour of the world
And he
Gives us
The following answer
Quote
Those are some nice links
To all sorts of
Commercial and homebrew
Jamming devices
He's referring to
A couple of links
That he sent
And I will put them
Up in the show notes
From what I understand
Consult the other
Radio gurus
On the DDP forums
Or the BINREF forums
All a jammer is
Is a radio
That emits a strong
Carrier wave
What's a carrier wave?
A carrier wave
Is a sine wave
Like in math class
That is at
A certain frequency
For instance
100 megahertz
Is right in the middle
Of the broadcast FM band
So that sine wave
Has 100 million cycles
Per second
For some cell phones
It's around 800 megahertz
For Wi-Fi Bluetooth
It's 2.4 gigahertz
To accomplish
Your jamming goal
You would need
A transmitter
For around
The 2.4 gigahertz
Spectrum
All the channels
Occupy 30 megahertz
In total
Starting at
2.412 gigahertz
For channel 1
And .005 gigahertz
Or 5 megahertz
Spacings after that
802.11 G
Is on the same frequencies
But uses a different method
Of sending the data
So it is still blockable
The carrier you transmit
Prevents the receivers
Listening and transmitting
For their 2.4 gigahertz
Signals from doing so
I saw a cell phone jammer
At H2K2
And it works very effectively
For the home brewer
I recommend snooping around
Amateur radio websites
For plans on transmitters
If one had enough
Driver food
They can modify
A wireless card
To act
As a jamming device
I would bet
Well that's really
Dependent on the card
Itself
And both the firmware
And the actual hardware
Itself
Because a lot of
These different cards
Won't allow you
To tune them
But there are some cards
That will let you
Tune manually
Which frequency
You're at
Right
So it would definitely
Be an interesting
Project to try
Anyway
So anyway
One of the
I'll give you one of the
Addresses is short
And it is
GlobalGadgetUK.com
And I have another one here
It's just too long to read
On the air
But I'll put that up
In the show notes as well
So those are a couple
Good sites to get you started
And let us know
If you find out more
I would love to see
If you actually put
Something together
And possibly
I think that would
Make a good article
If you want to write
An article on that
For BinRev Magazine
I would be very interested
In reading that myself
Even if it's not BinRev
I'd love to read that
If they do write
In an article
I would love to build it
And we can turn it
Into a Hack TV segment
Oh absolutely
Yeah that would be
That's another great idea
Absolutely
Okay
The last email
For this show
Is from
PC Del Home
Stankford
I want to thank you
For every episode
Of BinRev
They're entertaining
And edumacational
I try to be edumacational
As much as I can
I've been learning
About computers
And different hacking
Techniques
For about 11 years now
And it's time for me
To get involved
And do my part
In helping the hacker
Community in any way
Possible
My question however
Pertains to the legality
Of showing others
Quote
Illegal
Methods of using technology
For example
In Hack TV number one
You explained war driving
But it was not
In depth
Is it illegal
To show
For instance
How to use
A web browser
A router address
And a default password
And username
To get remote
Access to a system
Even if you're doing it
To your own access point
To teach others
I want to teach others
These quote
Illegal methods
But I also want to teach them
How to defend against them
If indeed
It is okay
For others to learn
About illegal techniques
Why is it such a taboo
To discuss them
In a public forum
By the way
Did Dual Parallel
Ever make any episodes
Of hacker public radio
Where can I download them
From if he did
Keep up the good work
DDP has my respect
Oh yeah
Here's a show topic request
Peek-a-booty
Okay
Now there's a lot of stuff
In here to address
First of all
You're correct
In your assumption
Of legalities
And how they affect
What we produce
Whether it's
Hack TV
This radio show
Articles that we write
Even
And it's conundrum
Oh that's a good word
That's a conundrum
That hackers have faced
For a long time
Regardless of our projects
DDP or anything
It's something that
Hackers have
You know
That's the
The ongoing
Irony that is a hacker
Do you report things
Under the guise
Or the risk
That they may be illegal
Even though yes
It may inform
And teach people
And teach them
How to protect themselves
You know
There's always
That double standard
Of you know
You're showing somebody
Something that
Could be negative
But could be positive
So that's just
An ongoing feud
And part of the life
Of being a hacker
As far as
Hack TV specifically
You mentioned
Yeah there's absolutely
There was a whole lot
Of footage that was
On the cutting room floor
As they say
A lot of stuff
That got edited out
For legal concerns
Absolutely
There's some stuff
In there that was
We just felt
That we'd err
On the side of caution
And just be safe
We had some really great
Anonymous submissions
Like the road sign
Hacking for example
Cy Pete
That was a pretty good
Segment didn't you think
Which one
The road sign
Hacking segment
In Hack TV 01
Yeah I thought
It was okay
Submitted it
That was submitted
To us anonymously
And because of that
That made it a little bit
Easier for us to present
Because we don't know
Where it came from
We couldn't give up
Any information
We there's
You know
That gives us
A little bit of protection
That's no different
Than you know
Taking a videotape
And dropping it off
In a news station
Or writing a letter
In an envelope
With no return address
Or something
You know
And taking it
Delivering it
Something like that
We received it
We can reproduce it
Within reason
Right
You know
Within reason of course
It shows something
Really really really illegal
Or you know
Just completely out of taste
Or some bad taste
Or something
And yeah
Obviously you can't
Just post that
Because
Well not only for legal reasons
But for moral reasons
I just won't do it
Right
You know
I just
I'm opposed to that
We are not
Again
I'm sorry
I'm speaking for myself
But I'm just not going to
You know
That doesn't do anything for me
So yeah
Now as far as
You know
You mentioned doing it
To your own network
For example
Yeah
I mean
That's something else
Hackers have brought up
And explained
In regards to
Not only war driving
But you know
That's why we set up
War games
Where we have permission
And we can
Hack our own networks
Or our own
You know
People volunteer
To set these things
Up so that we can
All hack and work together
In a controlled environment
So I'm not a lawyer
I don't play one on TV
Or on the radio show
Or anything
But where is that
Gray area crossed
Or that gray line crossed
As far as
What we can and can't
Show on television
Well obviously
In our war driving segment
We went through
The act of war driving
And that is
Simply sniffing
And seeing what we could find
And explaining
What we found
And what could happen
With it
But we're not about
To show it
Because it was obviously
Not our network
So we were not
Going to
Trespass on a network
Without permission
And we did not
So yeah
We have actually
Discussed
Demonstrating some stuff
On our own networks
We do have
Upcoming topics
On future episodes
Nothing filmed yet
So by all means
If you're considering
Filming or anybody
By all means
Film something like that
On your own network
Where you can demonstrate
Start to finish
A simulation
Of every step
That you could have done
Or that can be done
And even better
How to stop it
Or how to prevent it
That would be fantastic
That is absolutely
I think
Perfectly valid
And something that
Yes
I would gladly
Put on the show
So
That's a
Very good point
But
Yes
We do have to be careful
And protect ourselves
And you know
There's only so much
We can do
Other
Hacking shows
Which shall remain
Nameless
Didn't even show you
A computer turned on
For crying out loud
Is this a particular one
That we always have
A little problem with
I
Well
I'm not going to mention
Any names
But you know
We'll just leave that alone
At least we showed
I think we took it
As far as we were
Comfortable with
And
You know
As far as we
I think as far as we could
For this point in time
Yeah
Until
Laws change
If they change
Certainly
At Hope
We could probably
Find someone
Or one of the public terminals
Find someone
Skill enough
To show us
A neat little trick
And then do it
On one of the terminals
At Hope
That's one of the things
I actually wanted to touch on
Was that
At Hope
I'm going to be
Maintaining
Or creating
Actually
That this second floor
Is a
Public terminal cluster
And so
Basically that gives me
Free access
To do whatever the hell
I wanted to do
On the cluster
So
We can
You know
Do a whole bunch of stuff
But obviously
With
You know
Since we have permission
Of
You know
Of ourselves
Because we're going to be running
Most of the nerd
Myself
And one or two other guys
There at Hope
You know
We could
Do whatever we wanted
To do to those computers
Especially if we like
Segmented a couple of them off
And let someone have
Like a little mini rootware
But yeah
So
Submitting stuff
As long as it's
You know
Within the scope
Of
Legalness
And
My words are failing me now
But
And morality
Yeah
Obviously
You don't want to
Like trade
Personal information
Even if it's
You know
In a private competition
Or something
You don't want to
Give out
Certain information
Of other people
Especially
Or even of yourself
Just you know
Right
And I will definitely
Have my digital camera
With me
At Hope
So if anybody
Has some ideas
Or wants to film something
I'm hoping some
Spontaneous hacking happens
And we can get some
Segments
And some stuff filmed
Now
He also asks about
Hacker Public Radio
HPR has not been released yet
There are no episodes
Of HPR available
So I can't tell you
Where to download it
But
I can tell you
Frankly
That it's just not
The top priority
For Mr. Parallel
Right now
That's kind of a
You know
That was kind of
The point of HPR
And he was on
And talked about it
A few episodes back
About how
It's going to be
When he gets time
And when everybody
Gets organized
And can get together
When he gets the guests
That he wants
So you have to
Work out
Logistics and schedules
Of all the people
That he wants involved
So that you can
Get it together
So
No there are none
Out now
But there will be
When he gets around to it
And there will be
Nice long in depth
Discussions
On particular topics
So yeah
Just check out
BinRev.com
More importantly
OldSkoolphreak.com
And I'm sure
That will be the first place
That information is released
When HPR becomes available
Right now
Like we just said
We're gearing up for hope
You know
We're heading up to NYC
Heading up to Brooklyn
No where are we going
Not Brooklyn
Where is it
Manhattan
Heading up to Manhattan
So everything
That we've been doing
Lately is gearing up
For that
And other projects
That we've got going on
So yeah
It's probably still
Going to be a while
Frankly
Before that gets going on
And the other topic
You mentioned about
Peek-a-booty
You suggested that
As a show topic
Well that is a good
Show topic
So we're going to
Come back to that
But for right now
We're going to
Close up the mailbag
We're going to do
Our little show and tell
Which I'm going to
Make quick
Because we're
Definitely running
Low on time
We've got maybe
Fifteen
Yeah we've got about
Fifteen minutes left
Fifteen
Twenty
So for the show and tell
Now let's see
We had last week
The Telephonic Craptacular
So that was basically
A clip show
So kind of a couple
Weeks here
And it's been a busy
Couple of weeks for me
I guess I can announce
Officially that I
Have finished proofreading
Binary Revolution
Magazine 2.1
We will
Barring a catastrophe
Now
I'm not going to
Guarantee
But barring a catastrophe
I'll have the final
Proofs from Logan 5
Next weekend
And we'll have them
Go to get them
Printed and probably
Debut them at Hope
Hopefully we'll be able
To get them all done
Within two weeks
Yeah and printing
We've got to get
Printing worked out
Which we'll talk
About that later
But we've got about
A week before I get
The final proofs
And the day that I
Get them
I'm going to need
To start printing
One way or another
But that's not a
Topic for the show
So yeah
That's been my
Major focus
And that was my
Number one
Priority was
Getting this done
Regardless of Hope
But ideally I wanted
To get it done to Hope
So we could take it
With us
Also working on my
Hope presentation
That slipped in
Priorities unfortunately
But I definitely
Need to put some
Time into that
I was also working
On a little
MySQL database
A little side project
Some PHP coding
Which I've never
Done before
So I'm kind of
Learning and
Teaching myself
As I go
But definitely
The MySQL part
Of it
I've got the
Databases set up
And working
Everything seems
To be good
A couple glitches
Here and there
That I was able
To adapt to
So I'm feeling
More comfortable
With that
And my number
Two priority
I finally bumped
Up again I
Mentioned earlier
And that is
The DDP
Hack radio
Server
And frankly
That's
We'll use that
As a transition
To you
Because I
Spend about
The last week
Or so
Getting that
Going as best
As I could
To my ability
Within my
Limitations
And frankly
I'm just
Not that
As proficient
As I should
Be or could
Be using
Linux
So I called
In the expert
Here and
Yeah so I just
You know
Got into the
Server a little bit
And looked around
And you'd already
Set it up mostly
I only did
Very minor
Hacking of the
Config files
And stuff
And what we
Ended up doing
Was setting up
Two things
The first
Was making
It a little bit
Easier and a little
Bit more reliable
To stream stuff
To the server
And so that
We can set up
Hopefully
A scheduling
System
Which we'll
Discuss in a
Little bit
Right and when
When you say
The server
Let's clarify
Where the
Problems we were
Having was
With shoutcast
So we decided
To give
Icecast a shot
Right so now
We're using
Icecast 2
Which is an
Open source
Unlike shoutcast
Streaming audio
Server which can
Do both
Aug and mp3
Data and that
Allows us to do
A variety of
Different formats
So I think
It actually still
Streams out in
Either aug
Or mp3
So we'll probably
Still stick to
Streaming mp3
Data just
Because it's
A lot easier
And most people
Already support it
But essentially
Icecast 2
Allows us to
Both do a lot
More than
Shoutcast
Allowed us to
Originally
As well as
Being able to
Expand it to
Whatever we want
To because we
Can hack the
Code to do
Whatever we
Want to do
And in
In addition to
Switching to
Icecast 2
We're also
Going to start
Doing a
Playlist
That will
Automatically be
Played whenever
One of the
Live streams
Or a scheduled
Show is not
Playing
If for example
It's not
Tuesday at
9 o'clock
Or 10 o'clock
Or whenever
The stream
Usually starts
If it's just
Wednesday or
Thursday
And you're
Bored and you
Have nothing
To listen to
You can tune
In to
The stream
And there
Will be one
Of the old
Shows or
Some other
Show that's
Being featured
Or someone
Talking about
Some sort of
Subject which
We thought was
Interesting and
It'll always be
Playing whenever
A scheduled
Stream isn't
Streaming so
That's kind of
Useful and
Then also I've
Been working on
A couple of
Different things
For bin rev
Just to keep
Everything going
Really because
Considering all
The work that
Stank dog and
The other people
Involved with
Both bin rev
And ddp do
For the
2600 meeting
Down here
I've just been
Contributing little
Things like a
Perl script
Which allows
Stank dog to
Save a little
Bit on his
Bandwidth bills
By rotating
Each link
Download of
The hack tv
To one of
The other
Mirrors or
The site itself
Because the
Big problem has
Been the
Bandwidth
Not being enough
Bandwidth
Because everybody
Keeps hitting the
Main site
Instead of the
Mirrors
And stank dog
Just can't
Afford
The amount of
Bandwidth that
It would take
To keep
Doing it from
The same site
So I just
Wrote a script
Which essentially
Just runs in
Sequence
Between all the
Different mirrors
As each person
Hits it
And depending on
Certain options
Most people
Basically just
Need to actually
Use one of the
Other mirrors
Instead of the
Main site
The other
Thing I've
Been doing
Is my
Free time
What little
There is
Available
Between working
At the
Hope servers
I'm going to
Have to have
Ready in a
Week or two
Without the
Proper gear
Between doing
My normal job
Five
Nine to five
And all that
Stuff
Is setting up
A scheduling
System
Very cheap
Crude
Hacked
Scheduling system
Which will
Allow whoever
Stank Dog
Allows to
Basically create
Their own
Little show
One hour
Segments like
Zoom or
Whatever length
They really
Want to
Fill out a
Little form
Then upload
An mp3
To the
Bin Rev
Site
And at
The scheduled
Time
Their show
Will start
Playing
And you'll
Be able to
See the list
Of all the
Different shows
Playing whatever
They're going
To play in
The future
And heck
We could
Probably even
Get so fancy
As to make
Some kind
Of RSS feed
So that you
Could automatically
Know when the
Next show
Was or something
Like that
But that's
Not intended
Right now
What's only
Intended is so
That we can
Have a very
Easy simple
Way of
Scheduling shows
And viewing
When the next
Show is
And things
Like that
Right
And just to
Remind everybody
I know I've
Said this on it
Several times
But people
Sometimes forget
That we are
Not streaming
Live
What you are
Hearing
Is recorded
It's almost
Live
It's
We're just
Finishing recording
Just barely in
Time to go
Live with the
Show
That's not
You know
It's not
Delayed a
Whole lot
Usually a
Day
Maybe two
Days ahead
Of time
Sometimes hours
Ahead of time
But it is
Almost always
Recorded
So what I
Want to do
Ideally is to
Upload that
MP3 and
Basically automate
The entire
Process
And that's
And that's not
Only us
We're not
The only ones
That do
That
But several
Shows
Use that
Format
And we
Would allow
Them to
Upload their
Show
And know
And trust
That it will
Be streamed
At the
Appropriate
Time
However
We also
Need to
Maintain the
Ability
For shows
To stream
Or air
Live
Like default
Radio frequently
Does
Off and on
Whenever they're
Available for it
And in the
Future on
Binrev Radio
I would like to
Start doing some
Occasional live
Shows
So we need
The functionality
Of both
And at the
Same time
Use that
Playlist
Which is
We've had
With shoutcast
Now but it's
Not consistent
It drops
Quite a bit
So we're
Trying to wrap
All this up
So we're
Working on
The logistics
When I say
We I mean
Pete
Is working
On the logistics
Well I'm
Working on the
Logistics part
You're working
On the coding
Part and the
Logistics part
But I'm
Basically trying
To make sure
That we don't
Overlook anything
Because it
Is it's
Tricky and
You've got to
Think I know
A lot of
People like to
Just dive
Into code
Sometimes you
Got to think
Ahead of time
Wait a minute
Let's think of
The best way
To do it
And how we're
Going to work
Around these
Other limitations
And other things
And other needs
That we have
So it's going
To be a couple
Steps and a couple
Different scripts
Different programs
If you will
To do what we
Want to do
Including having
A dynamic schedule
That you can go
To every time
That automatically
Tells you
Shows that are
Pre-scheduled
For the upcoming
Week
So
And if anyone
Wants to
Contribute to my
Code or has
Already created
This scheduling
System
To make my
Job a whole
Lot easier
Go ahead and
Contact me at
I guess either
Cypete at
Gmail dot com
An address that
Stank dog
Graciously just
Hooked me up
With
Or
Cyfreak at
Freaker dot net
The spelling is
The hacker way
Of spelling
Freaker
Phs and
Just let me
Know if you
Want to help
I do
Use pearl
Code usually
But I can
Probably use
PHP if you're
Already doing
PHP and
You know
If you just
Want to help
Out feel
Free to
Contact me
All right
Now we've
Got about
Ten more
Minutes
Ten to
Fifteen
Minutes
Actually
So
Extra
Material
Yeah
No actually
Let's jump
Into
Peekabooty
As requested
Somebody
Mentioned that
They wanted
Some information
On Peekabooty
Not that
We're definitely
Not experts
Or gurus
On it
But I
Think it
Is a good
General
Topic
That
For those
Of you
Who don't
Know what
It is
At all
We can
Definitely
Explain
What it
Is
And a
Little
Bit
About
How
It
Works
And
If somebody
Does have
More experience
And knows
More
By all
Means
Email us
And let
Us know
You know
We like
To learn
Ourselves
Not only
You know
Giving out
The information
Or regurgitating
What we know
We'd like
To hear more
If somebody
Has more
Experience
With it
Think dog
What is
Peekabooty
Well
Peekabooty
Started
In July
Of 2000
Basically
Terminology
Key wise
They
They say
Peekabooty
Is a
Distributed
Peer
To
Peer
Network
Now
You and
I have
Had that
Conversation
On
Peer
To
Peer
Network
And
I'm
You know
I understand
Now
That
It's a
Lot
More
Broad
Definition
Than
I
Originally
Used to
Assume
Used to
Think
But
What it
Is
Firewalls
The way
They work
Is
They can
Block
Access
To
Certain
Sites
Based
On
Any
Number
Of
Criteria
Basically
Anything
Whether
It's
IP
Addresses
They
Can
Block
Or
They
Can
Even
Filter
Through
Packets
For
Certain
Keywords
Or
URLs
Or
Things
Like
That
These
Firewalls
Can
Be
Built
Right
Into
Your
Cable
Modem
Or
Something
Local
At
Your
House
They
Can
Be
At
Your
Job
You know
Your
Job
Probably
Filters
Out
Maybe
Porn
Sites
Or
Stuff
Like
That
Questionable
Material
Yada
Or
Even
On
The
ISP
Backbones
If
You
Want
To
Go
Top
Level
You
Can
Go
Up
To
The
ISP
Or
Even
The
Telcos
For
That
Matter
And
What
Happens
Is
We
In
The
United
States
We
Do
Have
It's
Getting
Tighter
And
Tighter
Lately
We
Won't
Go
Into
This
Rant
Especially
What
We
Saw
On
Slash
Dot
Today
We
Won't
Go
There
But
In
This
Country
We
Do
Have
Freedom
Of
Speech
We
Do
Have
A
Lot
Of
Freedoms
In
This
Country
And
Other
Countries
Do
Not
Have
That
Luxury
China
Yeah
They're
One
Of
Them
They're
Very
Much
One
Of
Them
So
And
Frankly
Even
Though
Even
In
This
Country
There
Are
Still
Filters
Your
Job
Filters
Things
Out
Some
ISPs
Net
Nannies
Those
Type
Of
Things
There's
All
Kinds
Of
Ways
To
Block
Access
And
To
Restrict
The
Free
Flow
Of
Information
That
Right
Wrong
Should
Morality
Without
Even
Touching
On
That
The
Goal
Of
Peek-a-booty
Is
To
Bring
Free
Speech
To
The
Masses
To
Those
Who
Do
Not
Normally
Enjoy
The
Freedom
Of
Speech
So
Essentially
It's
Guerrilla
Networking
For
The
Oppressed
Masses
That's
A
Very
Aggressive
Sounding
Political
Term
Sure
Well
Yeah
Very
Violent
With
My
Terms
There
You
Go
But
Yeah
I heard
About
This
And
It
Sounded
Like
A
Good
Idea
When
It
Came
Out
I
Believe
The
CDC
Actually
Fostered
The
Project
It
May
Be
On
A
Different
Direction
Now
But
I
Thought
That
Was
Who
Started
It
That
Sounds
Vaguely
Familiar
If
I
Remember
Yeah
And
Their
Idea
Was
Basically
To
Provide
Access
To
Websites
That
China
Filtered
Out
And
Other
Countries
Obviously
Other
Governments
And
Juris
To
Allow
People
To
View
Websites
For
Example
In
Places
Where
They
Couldn't
So
You
Could
Actually
Use
Google
Using
This
Tool
In
China
Whereas
Normally
You're
Not
Allowed
To
Because
Their
ISPs
Filter
Off
Those
Websites
And
Search
Engines
So
The
Idea
As
Far
As
I
Could
Tell
Was
Basically
Just
A
Decentralized
Network
Where
Each
Client
Connects
To
Itself
Kind
Of
Like
The
Nutella
Network
If
You've
Ever
Used
That
Clients
Like
Bear
Share
And
Lion
Wire
And
Such
Well
All
You
Have
To
Do
Is
Have
A
List
Of
A
Few
Pre
Existing
Host
You
Just
Connect
To
Each
One
Of
Those
Hosts
And
You
Make
A
Connection
And
You
Get
Lists
Of
More
Hosts
And
You
Build
These
Big
Lists
Of
All
The
Nodes
On
The
Network
And
You
Keep
An
Active
Connection
To
A
Certain
Number
Of
Hosts
And
If
You
Want
To
Go to
A
Website
You
Type
www.google.com
And
It
Sends
It
Out
To
A
Certain
Number
Of
These
Hosts
That
Are
Connected
To
You
Well
Denied
By
The
Firewall
Or
Again
We
Said
I
Emphasized
Earlier
The
ISP
Backbone
Their
Firewall
Or
Even
The
Telcos
Obviously
More
Precisely
The
Biggest
Application
Of
This
Is
What
He
Said
With
Countries
Are
Stopping
Access
To
This
Through
Well
On
The
Telco
Level
Basically
On
Their
ISP
Backbones
To
Certain
Countries
Or
Anywhere
Else
So
It
Is
Going
To
Check
First
Of
All
To
See
Everything
Within
A
Country
For
Example
Or
Everything
With
Certain
Extensions
Is
Allowed
To
Access
It
Or
Not
If
It's
Not
That's
When
The
Peek-a-booty
Would
Kick
In
The
Way
I
Understand
It
Right
Okay
So
Pretty
Simple
Then
It
Just
Pass
Off
The
Information
Probably
Encrypted
To
Safeguard
The
Poor
Soul
That
Has
To
Live
Behind
These
Kind
Of
Access
Restrictions
And
Then
It
Pass
It
Off
And
One
Of
The
Other
Nodes
That
Is
In
An
Unrestricted
Area
If
It
Can
Access
It
Will
Just
Pass
The
Information
Back
To
The
Originally
Requesting
Node
Which
Would
Be
Your
Computer
And
Then
You
Could
See
It
And
Of
This
Would
Be
Good
For
Places
Like
China
But
It
Would
Also
Be
Good
If
You're
In
An
Office
Or
In
A
School
Where
They
Filter
On
Keywords
Like
Hacker
Anarchy
2600
And
Murder
Assuming
That
They
Were
All
The
Same
Thing
Which
I've
Seen
In
Some
Filters
Amazingly
Enough
So
That
In
This
School
Or
Office
Or
What
Not
You
Could
Actually
Access
Sites
Like
2600
Or
Bin
Rev
Or
FL2600
.com
And
Get
Through
Without
Having
Some
Stupid
Firewall
Or
Access
Filter
Deny
You
The
Big
Thing
Would
Actually
Be
To
Find
A
Host
Which
Has
Client
To
Be
To
Download
To
That
Machine
You
Probably
Have
To
Put
It
On
FTP
Or
Something
So
They
Couldn't
Filter
That
Out
Well
Actually
It's
Funny
You
Said
It
Probably
Encrypted
And
Actually
To
Look
Down
On
The
Actual
Technical
Level
It
Actually
Goes
Through
HTTPS
Protocols
It
Actually
Disguises
Itself
And
Hides
In
The
HTTP
Secure
Protocols
That
Most
Firewalls
Don't
Look
At
As
Precisely
It
Will
Slip
Through
As
HTTPS
Packets
Because
They're
Not
Generally
They're
Not
Filtered
The
Same
If
At
All
Because
A
They
Might
Not
Be
Able
To
See
The
Contents
Of
The
Packets
Right
And
B
Generally
They
Don't
Even
Bother
Because
That's
Normally
Private
Information
Even
In
Even
In
These
Countries
That
Don't
Want
You
To
Access
Certain
Things
You
Still
Shop
Online
They
Still
Give
You
That
Ability
You're
Allowed
To
Do
That
So
They
Generally
Offer
Some
Protection
For
Your
Privacy
By
Ignoring
Those
Packets
Because
It
Has
Your
Private
Whatever
Financial
Information
Your
Shopping
Card
Etc
Stuff
Like
That
So
That's
One
Of
The
Ways
That
They
Slip
Through
And
Get
Encryption
And
Bypass
Firewalls
On
Some
Occasions
Although
You
Have
To
Wonder
Now
With
New
Laws
Being
Passed
And
Judgments
Being
Passed
By
People
Like
The
Supreme
Court
Saying
Recently
That
You
Know
A
Policeman
Or
Official
Law
Officer
Can
Ask
For
Your
Identification
At
Any
Time
And
If
You
Don't
Agree
To
Give
Them
Your
Identification
You
Could
Go
To
Jail
I
Thought
We
Weren't
Going
To
Go
There
Well
No
But
Theoretically
I'm
Just
Taking
This
By
Leaps
And
Bounds
Because
I
Like
To
Overanalyze
Stuff
They
Could
Claim
That
This
Same
You
Know
Access
Should
Be
Applied
To
The
FBI
What's
Their
Sniffer
They
Use
Carnivore
Is
Now
To
Also
Ask
For
This
Personal
Information
Per
Host
And
That
If
You
Can
Dig
Out
The
Personal
Information
From
Your
SHDP
Connection
That
Is
Somehow
Legal
Well
They
They've
Got
An
Uphill
Legal
Battle
There
Because
Believe
It
Or
Not
In
A
Weird
Way
The
Legal
Community
Is
On
Our
Side
With
This
One
Because
It
Has
Been
Defined
That
Is
PII
Or
Personally
Identifiable
Information
We
Talked
About
That
On
The
Show
A
While
Back
Right
Now
You
Know
The
Way
Things
Are
Going
You're
Absolutely
Right
Now
Something
Else
Pops
Into
Mind
As
I
Read
About
This
Too
Didn't
This
Sounds
Exactly
Like
A
Different
Project
I
Remember
Called
Free
Net
Yeah
Now
What
Is
The
Difference
Why
Where
What's
The
Difference
Between
Free
Net
And
Peekabooty
Are
They
The
Same
Thing
Or
Well
My
Theory
First
Of
All
Is
That
Peekabooty
Is
Not
Used
Very
Often
If
At
All
Because
I
Never
Used
It
And
I
Don't
Know
Of
Anyone
Who
Actually
Has
But
Second
Of
All
It
Could
Be
That
Freenet
Extends
To
More
Than
Just
Web
Pages
And
Our
Files
It
Could
Be
You
Know
Different
Types
Of
Media
Access
Different
Types
Of
Streams
It
Could
Be
Actually
Encapsulating
I
Don't
Know
Samba
File
Transfer
For
All
I
Know
That's
A
Little
Bit
Going
Out
There
Probably
Doesn't
Do
That
But
Yeah
If
I
Remember
Correctly
About
Freenet
The
Way
It
Worked
Was
Strangely
I
Don't
Think
It
Was
So
Much
Peer
To
Peer
Because
It
Was
Something
To
Do
With
Caching
Where
Everybody
Downloaded
A
Little
Bit
Of
Something
So
It
Was
Almost
Like
Striped
Mirroring
Across
The
World
I
Think
I
Heard
Something
About
That
Yeah
But
I
Really
Just
Don't
Know
But
It
Sounds
Like
It
Accomplished
The
Same
Thing
Or
Similar
Thing
Just
A
Different
Way
So
Anyway
That
Is
Peek-a-booty
That
Is
What
Peek-a-booty
Is
And
Again
I
Think
I
Do
I
Think
That
Is
Right
That
It
Was
At
I
Vagely
Remember
It
Being
Associated
With
CDC
Which
Of
Course
For
Those
Of
You
Somebody
Email
Me
Letters
At
Bin
Rev.com
Correct
Me
If
I
Am
Wrong
Also
One
Funny
Little
Warning
Here
Make
Sure
If
You
Go
To
Peek-a-booty
If
You
Want
To
Go
Check
It
Out
It's
Peek-a-booty
Dot
Org
Yeah
Don't
Go
To
Peek-a-booty
Dot
Com
Unless
You're
18
Or
Old
Or
Consenting
Until
You
Know
Yeah
Definitely
Yeah
They
Had
Some
Problems
Actually
Trying
Peek-a-booty
With
Two
Dashes
In
There
Dot
Org
If
You
Want
To
Go
Check
Out
And
Read
More
Information
About
This
Reminds
Me
Of
Something
I
Just
Read
On
Bash
This
Morning
Something
About
How
This
Kid
Apparently
Changed
His
Tech
High
School
Web
Page
Their
IT
Department
Web
From
The
Normal
Page
To
The
Goat
SE
Image
Oh
No
Don't
Bring
That
The
Funny
Part
Was
That
The
Tech
Guy
Pulled
This
Up
On
The
Big
Screen
Without
Looking
At
The
Screen
He
Said
To
All
The
Kids
Okay
Boys
We're
Going
To
All
Try
And
Do
This
Today
Oh
No
Not
Me
How many
Ran
Out
Of
The
Room
Screaming
The
Hell
If
I
Know
Oops
That's
All right
We can
Let
A couple
Slip
Through
No
Biggie
All
Right
Well
Unless
You
Talking To
A Guy
If
We're
Going
To
Peer
To
Peer
Networks
I
Love
Talking
About
Peer
To
Peer
Networks
Yes
I
Know
You
Do
But
Be
Careful
On
The
Time
Here
We
Got
A
Couple
Minutes
Oh
I
Just
Go
Over
What
I
Was
Talking
To
With
A
Friend
Of
Mine
I
Forget
His
Name
But
He
Was
Talking
To
Me
Because
He
Wanted
Insight
Into
Creating
Or
Using
Peer
To
Peer
Networks
To
Share
Linux
Binary
Files
For
Linux
Distributions
Essentially
Because
One
Of
The
Big
Problems
That
He
Had
Was
That
He
Had
This
Own
Distribution
Of
His
He
Had
This
Huge
Different
People
Download
All
Of
His
Files
As
You
Know
Bandwidth
Is
A
Resource
It
A
Very
Valuable
Resource
And
He
Just
Can't
Get
It
All
Free
So
He
Wanted
Another
Way
To
Try
And
Share
It
Someone
Had
Suggested
Bit
Torrent
To
Him
And
Though
Bit
Torrent
Is
It
Useful
It
Is
Okay
It
Probably
A
Lot
Easier
To
Set
Up
Than
Think
To
Have
A
System
Which
Stays
Up
Whereas
With
Bit
Torrent
You
Have
To
Keep
Your
Window
Open
After
You
Been
Downloading
It
Who
Wants
To
Keep
A
Window
You
Not
Using
Open
Right
That
Part
Is
Annoying
And
The
Other
Thing
About
Bit
Torrent
Is
It
Only
Good
For
Those
First
Few
Days
Week
Maybe
A
Couple
Week
When
It
First
Come
Out
Because
By
Then
People
Have
Closed
All
Their
Windows
Oh
Yeah
The
First
You
Know
Whenever
The
Popular
File
Comes
Up
If
You
See
For
Example
On
Slash
Dot
And
You
See
A
Torrent
Has
Come
Up
You
Probably
Get
The
Highest
Speed
You
Have
Ever
Gotten
In
Your
Life
On
Torrent
When
It
Been
On
Slash
Dot
Because
There
Will
Be
Probably
A
Couple
Thousand
People
On
There
Maybe
Only
A
Couple
Dozen
Of
You
Know
Like
You
We
Were
Talking
About
Earlier
Your
Script
That
Does
Some
Load
Balancing
From
Us
It
Still
Direct
Downloads
It
Just
Randomly
chooses
A
Site
Or
Sequentially
But
Anyway
That
Could
Also
Be
Accomplished
By
Me
Having
All
Five
Or
Ten
Or
However
Many
Mirrors
Setting
Up
The
Bit
Torrent
Seed
On
Their
Server
And
Then
Instead
Actually
An
Aside
We
Could
Probably
Set
Up
The
Mirror
Script
To
Just
As
Easily
Rotate
Between
Torrent
Files
Right
The
Actual
Movie
Files
But
In
Any
Case
Yeah
So
Bit
Torrent
Is
Useful
For
Some
Things
But
I
Didn't
Think
Having
A
Constant
Searchable
Database
Of
Peer
To
Peer
Files
Is
Good
With
Bit
Torrent
So
I
Suggested
Things
Like
Nutella
Even
Though
People
Don't
Like
It
You
Host
Your
Own
Private
Nutella
Server
And
Network
That
Is
Sort
Of
Separate
From
The
Global
Nutella
Network
And
That
Could
Probably
Work
Pretty
Well
Also
This
E-Donkey
And
Even
Napster
The
Open
Nap
Servers
Can
Be
Extended
To
Other
Than
MP3
And
OGS
And
Stuff
Well
If
I
Were
Going
To
Set
Up
A
Private
I
Would
Go
With
Waste
I
Haven't
Actually
Looked
At
Waste
Lately
Because
Of
The
Whole
Legality
Issue
Well
That's
Just
For
The
Privacy
Aspect
That
It
Offers
But
You
Know
Right
Your
Point
Is
Great
I
Think
We
Talked
About
This
On
A
Very
Early
Show
And
Teens
Are
In
The
Single
Digit
About
Setting
Up
A
Private
Network
Within
Nutella
And
We
Pointed
Out
The
Flaws
In
Nutella
The
Problems
Were
That
All
It
Takes
Is
A
Few
Dial
Up
Users
Using
It
And
It
Slows
Down
If
Your
Closest
Peers
Are
All
Using
Dial
Up
And
You're
Using
Cable
Modem
You're
Still
You're
Stuck
You
Certainly
That's
One
Of
The
Problems
That
I
Was
Telling
Them
About
Right
That's
Why
People
Don't
Like
It
But
The
Protocol
Is
Great
Well
Yeah
Well
The
Protocol
Is
It
Was
A
Good
Idea
But
It
Was
Badly
Designed
I
Think
I
Had
My
Own
Design
Which
Was
Similar
To
Which
Is
Actually
Really
Similar
To
The
New
Protocol
Nutella
2
Which
Is
The
Successor
Of
Nutella
Obviously
There
Been
Some
Problems
With
It
Because
The
Creator
Of
It
Decided
To
Close
The
Standard
Or
Something
Like
That
And
There
Been
Arguments
Between
The
Nutella
Developers
And
Things
Like
That
But
The
Basic
Ideas
Are
There
I
Think
Anyone
Who
Implements
This
Type
Of
Network
Is
Going
To
Have
Real
Success
The
Idea
Is
Lots
Of
Small
Networks
Lots
Of
Very
Private
Networks
Of
50
Like
10
To
50
To
150
People
In
One
Small
I
Call
It
A
Ring
And
This
Ring
Of
50
To
150
People
All
Share
The
Same
Similar
Files
And
They
Are
Generally
People
Who
Hang
Out
In
A
Specific
IRC
Channel
Or
Chat
Online
Or
Something
Like
That
And
Then
They
Have
Trust
Relationships
Between
Them
They
Have
You
Know
I
Forget
The
Term
That
Other
People
Use
But
Basically
The
Idea
Is
If
You
Have
A
Friend
Who
Want
To
Download
A
File
From
You
Let
Them
Download
That
File
And
In
The
Network
It
Shows
That
As
You
Trust
Them
So
That
If
Another
Person
Were
To
Download
A
File
For
Them
They
Could
Look
At
The
Different
People
That
Trust
That
User
And
Based
On
That
They
Could
Decide
Whether
The
File
They're
Downloading
Is
Real
Or
If
It's
Kitty
Porn
Because
That's
The
Real
Big
Problem
With
Peer
To
Peer
To
Peer
Network
So
You
Don't
Know
If
The
File
You're
Downloading
Is
Real
And
There's
No
Real
Way
To
Be
Sure
About
This
Besides
Digital
Signing
And
Even
That's
Shaky
So
What
I
Suggested
Is
Small
Rings
Of
Different
People
With
These
Trust
Relationships
And
Based
On
The
Rest
Of
The
People
In
The
Network
And
How
They
Feel
About
A
Specific
User
You
Can
Determine
Whether
Or
Not
These
Files
Are
Good
And
You
Could
End
Up
Searching
Through
Huge
Numbers
Of
These
Rings
Of
People
Much
Faster
Than
You
Ever
Could
With
Nutella
Because
Of
The
Way
The
Rings
Are
Set
Up
So
That
You
Can
Find
These
Files
For
Gentoo
For
Example
Which
Don't
Have
A
Lot
Of
Binary
Files
Out
There
Or
Slack
Where
Or
His
Own
Distribution
You
That's
One
More
Friend
Than
I
Have
Now
Oh
Yeah
All
Right
Well
You
Know
What
We
Might
Have
To
Have
You
Back
On
For
A
Special
All
In
Depth
Discussion
Of
Peer
To
Peer
Networks
At
Some
Time
I
Be
Happy
To
We
May
Have
To
Put
That
On
The
List
But
For
Now
We
Are
Definitely
Running
Low
On
Time
And
There's
A
Couple
Things
I
Got
To
Mention
Here
As
We
Go
Out
One
Is
That
Reminding
You
That
This
Is
Episode
51
Next
Week
Is
Episode
52
That's
Our
One
Year
Anniversary
52
Consecutive
Weeks
Perfect
Attendance
Woo
So
52
That
Is
Our
One
Year
Anniversary
So
We'll
Have
A
Little
Special
Event
There
Then
Subsequently
53
54
I'm
Not
Quite
Sure
How
They're
Going
To
Work
To
Be
Honest
With
They're
Going
To
Be
Around
Hope
The
Time
For
Hope
Five
So
I'm
Not
Sure
53
We'll
Probably
Do
Before
We
Leave
And
54
I'm
Presuming
We
Will
Do
A
Special
From
Hope
I
Don't
Know
If
It'll
Be
Live
Probably
Recorded
At
Hope
Which
Day
Will
That
Be
Though
The
Air
Date
Is
Going
To
Be
A
Tuesday
Because
Remember
I'm
Staying
Through
Hope
I'm
Staying
Over
Until
Wednesday
So
Hope
Will
Technically
Have
Been
Over
But
I
Will
Still
Be
In
New
York
So
As
Will
I
Probably
Zero
DB
As
Well
Right
So
We
Will
Do
Something
For
54
We're
Just
Not
Sure
What
So
Just
Kind
Of
Giving
A
Heads
Up
Warning
For
That
Actually
You
Know
What
We
May
Have
To
Get
We
Have
To
Confirm
This
We
Can't
Really
Say
Right
Now
But
Well
I'll
Talk
To
You
About
It
Later
And
Basically
We
Could
Probably
Hook
Up
Something
Special
Considering
The
Fact
It's
A
Hope
Type
Of
Stream
Oh
Yeah
We're
Probably
Come up
With
Something
And
I
Guess
We'll
Just
Leave
Them
Hanging
As
Far
As
What
Oh
Yeah
But
Definitely
Lots
Of
Suspense
Right
Here
About
Something
Special
That
No
One
Knows
About
Yet
Apparently
Even
I
Don't
Anyway
Shout
Shoutouts
First
Of
All
Anonymous
Submissions
To
Hack TV
We
Mentioned
Earlier
Or
Articles
Or
Emails
Or
Anything
Of
Any
Kind
Anybody
Contributing
You know
We're
More
Than
Welcome
To
That
I
Can't
Believe
I'm
Actually
Going
To
Say
This
On
The
Air
But
I'm
Going
To
Give
Shoutouts
To
White
Sword
Oh
God
That
Hurts
To
Say
That
Even
But
White
Sword
TV
I
Have
To
Say
Was
But
Pretty
Interesting
And
I
Actually
Watched
The
Whole
Thing
It
Was
Interesting
Enough
That
I
Watched
It
So
I'm
Giving
White
Sword
Shoutouts
Joking
Aside
It
Was
Pretty
Cool
And
Shoutouts
To
My
Boy
Decoder
We
Got
That
Project
I
Mentioned
About
Last
Week
Which
Will
Be
Coming
Out
Soon
I'll
Give
You
A
Little
Bit
More
Of
A
Teaser
That
It's
Going
To
Be
Me
And
Decoder
At
Least
At
The
Beginning
For
Episode
One
So
Be
Looking
For
That
Within
Well
Probably
Before
Hope
Within
The
Next
Week
Or
So
Shoutouts
You
Got
Anybody
Want
To
Shoutout
Oh
You
Know
Just
The
Normal
954
2600
Crew
I
Know
A
Lot
Of
Those
Guys
Or
At
One
Of
Them
Is
Probably
Listening
To
This
So
Just
Shoutout
To
Them
And
Little
IRC
Channels
I
Hang
Out
On
Slackware
People
That's
About
It
Yeah
Shouts
To
Zero
DB
Obviously
We
Mentioned
Him
Coming
Up
All
Heading
Up
To
New
York
Later
And
Actually
I
Guess
A
Bunch
Of
Us
Are
Going
To
Meet
Up
We're
Coming
In
On
Thursday
A
Bunch
Of
Us
Going
To
Go
To
A
Yankees
Game
Thursday
Night
So
Shoutouts
To
Jaga
I'm
Hoping
I
Invited
Him
I
Don't
Know
If
He's
Going
To
Make
It
I
Know
Not
Theory
A
Bunch
Of
People
So
We're
Going
To
Hang
Out
And
Enjoy
Hope
Enjoy
New York
City
So
Shoutouts
Out
To
Everybody
Shoutouts
To
Just
There's
So
Many
Cool
People
In
The
Scene
That
Gosh
It's
Just
You
Leave
People
Out
Again
Email
Us
Radio
At
Bin
Rev
Submit
Articles
At
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
For
The
Magazine
Like
I
Said
2.1
Is
Proofed
And
Going
To
Finals
So
We
Should
Have
That
Out
Soon
So
Start
Sending
In
2.2
The
Longer
It
Takes
For
Us
To
Get
Enough
Articles
The
Longer
It's
Going
To
Take
For
The
Magazine
To
Come
Out
So
Send
Your
Stuff
In
ASAP
Closing
Music
Tonight
I
Mentioned
This
Earlier
Is
From
Nave
He
Sent
Us
An
Email
Inviting
Us
To
Listen
To
His
Music
So
Listen
To
His
Music
This
Is
Actually
An
Untitled
Track
He
Didn't
He
Said
He
Couldn't
Come
Up
With
A
Good
Name
For
This
So
Maybe
You
Have
A
Good
Name
You
Can
Send
Us
And
We
Will
Pass
It
On
And
That
Is
Going
To
Do
It
So
Cy
Pete
Episode
51
In
The
Helping
Clean
A
Lot
Of
That
Stuff
Up
I
Was
Winging
It
And
You
Came
In
And
Just
Clarified
A
Lot
For
Me
So
That
Helped
Tremendously
And
I
Do
Appreciate
It
Oh
No
Problem
So
We're
Going
To
End
It
Like
We
Always
Do
Are
We
Going
To
Start
With
A
New
Catch
Phrase
In
The
Second
Year
No
I
Kind
Of
Like
Ending
It
See
You
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
Day
crystalline
Day
Thank you.