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Episode 53, excuse me, I don't know what's going on these days
I'm so stressed out with everything that's going on right now
But I am Stank Dog and I am joined today by
Not Theory
Someone who hasn't been here in a long time
How many episodes has it been since I've been on?
I don't even know man
I really, gosh, it's just
They're flying by now
And it's just
Real life has so many things that pull us apart
And
It's rough just to get each weekly show done
But you got past the one year mark
Bring your fear to my eye
Yeah
It's uh
We are actually
I guess technically this is episode one of season two
Second season
It's like a box set
We'll release a box set at some point of
Binary Revolution Radio
With video outtakes
That's what you need
Oh yeah
Well, you know, we got the Hack TV thing going
So we'll see how that
That merges in
Um
Let's see, the original air date for this first episode
Uh, the second season is
July 6, 2004
07-06
So, um
Wish we could have started like on a January to make it easier
But whatever
So anyway, 52 episodes in the book
53 we are starting now
And
The last couple of episodes that we did
Were
Uh
Well, for lack of a better term
Clip shows
Um
Episode 50 was the second
Telephonic craptacular
Um
And then episode 52
We did kind of a special
With some old, uh
Outtakes
And, um
Had a little bit of, uh
Clips in there
Some new stuff
Uh
Actually, I think almost all of it was new
I added the Deadly Halon story
Other than that, it was all new stuff
So it's not really
Well
It was all new to the listeners anyway
All the outtakes that they never heard before
So
Believe it or not
Those are actually tougher to do than the regular episode
Takes so much time sitting and editing
And listening to all those old clips
And cutting and pasting them
And, uh
What a mess
Yeah
What a mess
So actually I'm glad to be back doing
A live or pseudo live show
As we always say
So, um
Let's catch up on emails
Because
Um
Because of those clip shows
We got way behind on emails
So, uh
We covered some in episode 51
I'm gonna finish up
Get us caught up today
On some of the other emails we've gotten
Um
Before I do though
I've got
I have kind of an email issue
That I wanted to bring up to the listeners
Um
I hear from people
Every once in a while
That they sent me an email
And
I know for a fact
I never got it
You know
I
I check my email
And if you're using the right addresses
You know
I've never seen it
And I was actually talking to
813 Error
Um
I was expecting something from him
And I never got it
So I kind of moved on ahead
And he
I spoke to him online
And he said
He did send it
And you know
We wondered what happened to it
So
He was pretty certain that he sent it
So I
I had to go digging
Because just
I'm like that
I'm obsessive
I want to know exactly
What's going on
Or where it could have gone
So
Went poking around
And
Basically
Long story short
I found
That there's another account
There's a system
Level account
For
The email server
That
Is kind of a default
For all error messages
All bounces
All
System errors
And stuff like that
And catches all
Bad email addresses
That
If you send something to
So
If you
Send something to
Stankdog
D-O-G
Instead of
D-A-W-G
Or something like that
That address doesn't exist
D-O-G
So
Instead of just deleting it
And discarding it
You know
It knows that it could have been important
So it throws it into
Kind of this catch all account
And I've never ever
Checked it
I've never really had the need
To check it
So
I was looking for this
From
From him
And
Basically found that
There's quite a bit of email
That's backed up into here
And
I did find
Several pieces of email
You know
Some of them as far as a year old
That were sent to me
With a misspelling
Or to
Other email addresses
That people thought existed
Or just a simple misspelling
Even some that were going to
You know
To
Not theory here
That were just spelled wrong
So
All of those get bounced
To this account
So
Basically
I even had
I even had invoices
From my hosting company
Little spreadsheet
Saying
Three months charge
Please pay this
So
It could have been
Really really dangerous
Luckily
I talked to them
On the phone
Quite a bit
Anyway
So I always knew
When it was
You know
Due
And paid it
No problem
But it could have been
Devastating
But anyway
Point being
When you do send emails
They do get bounced
To the system account
If there's a spelling error
So if you're
Sending anything personal
Or private
Or anything like that
I am going to see it
Through the system account
If you send it
To the wrong person
That is
If you send it
To the proper person
Everything's fine and dandy
But all emails
That it gets confused
Or doesn't know what to do
That are mistakes
They get bounced
To the system admin account
And this is true
Of any site
The reason I bring this up
Is not to tell anybody
You know
That I'm reading
Any personal stuff
But any site
Any email server
If you ever send something
And you misspell it
It's very important
That you get it
To the right account
If you send it
To any bad account
Say theoretically Gmail
Even though they claim
Not to read any of the email
If you send it
To a bad account
It is going to go
To like their system administrator
Their default account
Because it doesn't
Delete email by default
So always keep that in mind
When you're sending
Private email
Very very important
To go back and double
And triple check
The address
You know what I'm saying
To be very very embarrassing
It's not better now
Because I got
I got some messages
From people saying
No they were going
To send me this
Just send me that
But I guess
They just sent it
To the wrong address
Yep
Yep that's probably
What happened
So anyway
I apologize
Anybody who has
Sent me anything
And thinks I'm
Shorting them
Or sliding them
Or whatever
Not getting back
It's because
I probably never got it
So I saw some
Email addresses
Going to stank
D-O-G
Or whatever
Frankly if you can't
Spell it right
And I don't guess
You really deserve
A response
But whatever
You don't know how to spell
Oh
Oh tag
But whatever
Hey
So anyway
Yeah I didn't
Intentionally
Slight anybody
So I just wanted
To throw that out there
I am going to start
Trying to check this
More often
But gosh
It's
It also gets
All the system
Bounce messages
And just
So much stuff
To wade through
I mean
It's just
A real hassle
To maintain
And read regularly
So don't count
On me seeing something
Make sure you
Send it to the
Right address
So
That being said
Let's go through
To the people
Who did spell
Things correctly
And get them
Through to me
Our first email
Was from
One gentleman
By the name
Of Dual Parallel
Says
Stank
52 was hilarious
That was the most fun
I've had listening
To internet radio
In a long time
Regarding converting
MP3s in Linux
I just found
That lane
Can be used
To convert
Any parameter
Desired right
From the command line
Which is
Kind of something
We were looking at
For example
I want to convert
A 24 kbps
2205 kHz
Stereo
MP3
To a 1616
Mono
MP3
Should I read
This command
Is it going to
Translate well
On the radio
Probably not
But I say
Give it a shot
Anyway
All right
Lame
Dash dash
Resample
Okay
Here's another thing
Some people hate
Dash
They always say
Minus
I don't know
What that is
Somebody's got a pet peeve
I always say
Dash
Lame
Dash dash
Resample
Space
16
Space
Dash
B
Space
16
Space
Dash
M
Space
M
Space
And then the input
The name of the input
MP3
Followed by a space
And the name of the output
MP3
So basically
By telling it to resample
You don't have to tell it
What the incoming sample is
The
I assume it's going to be able
To read what the incoming sample is
By looking at it
Just give it that bit rate
Of what the outgoing sample
Is going to be
And the new file name
And there you go
So that's our tip
From Mr. Dual Parallel
So thank you for that
Let's see
Now we got another email here
From Random Sample
It says
Hi you stank
I've been listening to the radio show
For a while
Enjoy the hell out of it
At work in fact
I have not emailed you before
Because I'm busy
Lazy
Scatterbrained
Etc
Pick the one you like best
Hmm
Which one do we like best?
Um
Lazy
Can we make up our own?
He has etc
That's true
But I'm a fan of lazy
I enjoy laziness
You know what
I'm going to go with you on that
I was going to come up with
Something more profane
But yeah
We'll call it
We'll say lazy
Alright
Because
Okay let me go back
And reread it now
With our correction
I have not emailed you before
Because I'm lazy
Anyway
I heard you are setting up
The second floor
Of pub terminals
At the con
He's referring to
The hope convention
I'm getting in on Thursday morning
And should be at the hotel
By 11am
I need a place to volunteer
Will you be needing
A set of hands?
I have people coming in at night
But the day is mine
Actually my buddy is bringing
Some people to crash in my room
So I might want to help out
Thursday night too
I'd like to shake your hand anyway
For all the quality entertainment
I've been getting
Let me know
Okay
Well
You see that little edit
I did on the fly by the way?
Oh yeah
We'll talk about that
After the show
Okay
Let's
Hey I'm hanging out
In this guy's room
Yeah amen
Word booty on that one
Let me
Let me just get one thing
Out of the way first
I really am looking forward
To meet a lot of people up there
So I'm glad
You know
I'm looking forward
To meeting any and all
The listeners
A bunch of friends
People we've talked to online
Stuff like that
So
It's kind of difficult
With everybody's schedules
And who's coming in
And who's going to be where
The
Basically
The easiest way to find me
The one central place
You know
If we
We all want to all get together
And at least meet
And shake hands
And just chit chat
I'm pretty much a normal guy
It's no big deal
You're going to be highly disappointed
But
Glad to talk to people
And meet
You know
Meet people
That's cool
The best and easiest way
To do it
Is to meet me
After my presentation
Saturday
At
My presentation
Is from 5 to 6 o'clock
The AS400 presentation
It's in conference room B
Or whatever
Track B
Wherever the hell
That's going to be
So
That's going to be
The best place
After it's over with
We have
Let's see
Slip mode
I know
Is giving a presentation
At 9
That I'm definitely
Going to make sure
We're there for
So in between that
We have a couple
Other things planned
But probably
We'll have a good hour
Or so
At least after my presentation
To meet
Walk around
Hang out
That kind of good stuff
So that is definitely
The place
To do that
So anybody listening
You want to hook up
Come meet me
After the presentation
That's the way to go
Now as far as
Setting up the terminals
At the conference
It's actually
Cy Pete
He was on the show
A couple episodes
He's been on a couple episodes
Actually
And I think he's the one
That you're referring to
He's setting up
A clustering system there
I don't know
Exactly
If they've got enough people
Or if they've already
Planned it out
I know there's some
Hardware involved
And they've
Gone through all the steps
Of making sure
The hardware arrives
And they've made plans
Of when they're going to
Meet up the people
On that group
And I think if you look
In the wiki
For Hope 5 wiki
You'll find more information
On exactly where that is
I'm sure
I'm not sure
If they can use the help
Or if they've already
Got their hands full
And got everything
Accounted for
But I mean
I'm sure there are going
To be plenty of
Things
That they're going
To need help doing
If it's not them
If it's working
On some of the other
Networking stuff
So when you get there
I'm sure if you just go
And announce
That you have some time
And you're willing to help
I'm sure they'll find
Something for you to do
I am going to
I actually have tried
To contact Cyped
I haven't seen him online
Since I got this email
But I'll forward this
On to him
And see if there is
Something that he needs
So thank you very much
For that offer
Okay
Now we have another
Email here
From
This is a cool one
Real name with hell
We don't read
Real names on the show
But he says
This is very short
Hi I'm a listener
From Liverpool
England
Very cool
I love getting
Overseas email
Just to let you know
Banzai
Is actually made
For a British TV channel
Channel 4
As a spoof
Japanese game show
Love your show
And again real name
Boy
Last time you were
On the show
This is even older
Than that probably
Really
We haven't talked
About Banzai
In a long time
I think that's like
Back when
When it was
Wintermute and I
Did those first few
Episodes together
I think this is an old
So you must be
Listening to the reruns
On Rant Radio
Or something like that
Because this is
A very old topic
Very very old
So
We get a lot of
TV shows from
English to be quite
From England
To be honest with you
And Channel 4
Specifically
I'm
Like isn't
American Idol
Didn't that start
Over there
I think
Yeah I think
I think it did
I think that started
In like the Big Brother show
I don't know if it
Started over there
But I know it started
Somewhere else
And we copied it
So
There's been a lot of
Shows that we bite
From England
You know
They come up
With some good stuff
I know
Ali G
I know the Ali G
Show is from over there
And I love that
That hasn't
That came here on HBO
For a little while
And I don't know
I think it had some
Controversy
And didn't do so well
Over here but
Yeah I've heard about it
But I've never seen it
Oh dude
Ali G's funny stuff man
Really
That's good stuff
Borat can get a little
Tiresome sometimes
But Ali G is pretty funny stuff
So anyway
Yeah
Banzai came over here
I don't even know
If it lasted one full season
I think it did
But then it just
I never saw it again
After that
So I guess it didn't
Do so well
Over here
I don't know if it's
Still on over there
Or if it's also
Off the air over there
But anyway
Thanks for pointing that out
I never really knew
Where it came from
Exactly
I thought actually
It was a real
Because see
Those Japanese people
They have
Japan
Japanese television
Has a lot of
What we call
Weird and unusual
Game shows
So
That can very well
Be real
As far as I know
In Japan
Yeah I would
I would definitely
Believe that it is
I've seen some of
Their TV before
And it is crazy
It's pretty cool though
Oh yeah it's cool
But it's definitely
Way far away from the norm
Yeah
Well
Yeah
Our norms
Yeah of course
So yeah
He says this is
Started on British TV
As a spoof though
So that may
That may be true too
Let's see
What else we have here
Yeah that was it
For that one
And let me see
I lost my place
Okay here's another one
Real name withheld
Another real name
Email here
Hey I was wondering
If there was a program
Or service
That I could use
To host my own website
Without banners
Or having to
Pay
Oh okay
Having to pay
There's a little typo there
Having to pay
Or if there was a service
That I could use
To make my own website
Which is
Long into
Another short URL
Okay
Please email me
With the answer
If you can
And this person left
It was a first name
So I never know
If it's a real first name
Or a pseudonym first name
So I'll just
Leave it out completely
I think this is
The same person
Probably posted
In the forums though
I suspect
Because this email
Was queued up
For a couple weeks
As we did those clips
And frankly
Go to the forums
Go to forums.binrev.com
And use the search function
And you will find
There's a couple threads
On this exact topic
I know I've heard
A couple of them
Off the top of my head
Frequently
And that's
Know-ip.com
And dindns
Or dindns
D-Y-N-D-N-S
Dot org
But I've never had
The need to use
Any of these before
Not there
Have you ever used
Any of these
Two or others
Like them
Yeah I used
Dindns.org
For a while
And yeah
Basically there's a client
That you install
On your machine
And it basically
Checks what your
Public IP address is
And just updates
The DNS
For you automatically
It's really
Really simple to use
And I think it works
On Windows
Linux
And macOS
You should have
No problem
Setting that up
But then you need
To know how to
Run a web server
That's the only problem
Right
And then
You know
On top of that
You have to worry
About or deal
With issues
Whether your
Your cable modem
Or whatever
Is going to let you
Have incoming connections
And a lot of other
Factors that come
Into play too
So
Like I said
I haven't used
Them a whole lot
But I've heard those
And I don't know
If those have ads
They don't have ads
On them do they
Or pop-ups or anything
No because all it does
Is it basically
Just resolves the DNS name
And passes the request
Directly onto your machine
So there's no advertisement
Snuck in there at all
Okay
Yeah that's what I thought
I didn't
And it's something
You put in your client
So if you do get
A new address assigned to you
It'll update
Yeah
It checks every couple of minutes
What your IP address is
Or something like that
You can change the settings
And then it'll update
The website when it changes
And it doesn't take 24 hours
Or any of that kind of stuff
No it's very very fast
Instant
Okay
Their DNS records
Are set to expire
Really quickly
So if your
You know if your
IP address changes
Within like half an hour
I'd say
It'll be working again
At least
Good to know
Yeah
So anyway
Yeah that's
You know
And I was saying
I was thinking to myself
Hasn't there been like
50, 60, 65 articles
In 2600 the last year
About this exact topic
I'd say there's probably
Been over 50 articles
In 2600 last issue
Yeah
I mean it seems like
But the other topic
About turning a long URL
Into a short URL
Tinyurl.com
I know you love that site
Yeah it just makes
Your life easy
The only problem is
Sometimes they mix uppercase
And lowercase
And then it gets a pain
To spell out
But whatever
It's much better
Than some
You know
100 character long URL
Yeah I guess that's true
Or you know
But
Well never mind
What about just
Typing in the IP address
Yeah but sometimes
There's like a path
And all kinds of other junk
Yeah I guess that's right
And when that changes
Of course that becomes
Defeats the point
Of having the Dindian S
Yeah that doesn't make sense
Alright erase that
Pretend I didn't say that
Alright anyway
Got one more email here
Actually this is the last one
This is from Mantis88
Whose caps lock key
Was apparently stuck
But
He writes
Quote
Listening to the episode
52 outtakes
And upon hearing
The country song
As performed by Bland
I instantly remembered
That from
Remembered that
From the Animaniacs album
Of the early 90's era
That show is in the
Animation golden
Hall of fame
As far as I'm concerned
Wacko and his love
Of Don Knot's album
Is truly inspiring
That it is
But aside from that
Let me say
I have much respect
And appreciation
For the dedication
And love you put
Into the show
I look forward
Every week
When that Binrev link
Becomes active
And I can download
Another informative
And entertaining show
I first heard of
Binrev back in
September 2003
Boy it's been a while
And since
Have listened to
Every episode
Of Binrev Radio
As well as RFA
Sometimes listening
To as many as
Six episodes in one day
But I
Yeah I don't think
I could listen to
Six episodes of myself
In one day
But I know it was
Not time wasted
Because I am more
Educated and enlightened
For the time spent
I know every second
Of the shows
Isn't packed with
Facts or statistics
But nonetheless
They are still
Enjoyable to listen to
In the time
Since finding the
Shows and exploring
The digital world
A friend and I
Have started
An unofficial
2600 meeting
And are talking
About making
Our own radio show
Life is busy though
And with three kids
Under four
Between the two of us
Progress is slow
But we still have
Ideas and endeavors
That are actively
Exploring and researching
To further
Not only ourselves
But our little area
Of the world
Believe me
Your attention to detail
In producing the shows
Is well noted
And he put that
In quotation marks
That's a little jab
Against my show notes
My infamous show novels
Yeah
And it shows
As each show
Continues to improve
In quality
And yeah
This show is no
Exception is it
As the level
Of professionalism
Increases
Our community's message
Will travel further
Because more and more
People will take us
Seriously
When we discuss
Some of the contentious
Issues
They will take notice
Of the world around them
And not let their rights
Be restricted
And taken away
By senators
Who do not comprehend
Or by passing laws
That are too heavy handed
And the punishments
They mete out
And in parentheses
And boy
I'm trying not to get mad
When I even read this
Three years in prison
Next to rapists
And murderers
For taping a movie
What a travesty
And frankly
I agree with that
So true
Yeah
That's just
I'm trying not to go
Into a tangent
But you know what
Screw it
I'm going to do it
Because I have to
It really is that bad
You know
Copying a movie
Okay let's not even
Go into right or wrong
Okay let's just
For the sake of this argument
Let's say that it is wrong
Let's say
Fine
Technically it may be illegal
Is that really
Worthy to be
I mean we're letting
Drug dealers out
On three strike rules
Giving them a slap
On the wrist
And putting them out
On the street
For God's sake
Is that really justice
Is that really
Where our emphasis
Should be
On somebody
Who copied a movie
Or some hacker
Who might have
Gone to a website
He shouldn't have
Or somebody who
Called a phone system
That he didn't
Accidentally know
What the hell
He was doing
Or was just being curious
That's ridiculous
To dole out punishments
On par
With drug dealers
And rapists
And murderers
I mean it's
Yeah none of those things
Should be a felony
It's night and day to me
It really is
It's just
You know
Again
I'm not going to go
Into the soapbox
Because every hacker
In the world
Has spoken these words
And heard them enough
On shows like this
And speeches
And presentations
But there's a huge gap
In what punishment
Should be
And what they are
And they're
They're born out of fear
They're born because
They don't know
What else to do
About hackers
And whatever they think
We do
And whatever we
The punishment
Has got to fit the crime
And because of their fear
And ignorance of the crime
They cannot dole out
A fair punishment
Anyway
Yeah
Oh man
Anyway
Back to this email
Thank you for pulling me off
Into that
Who was it
Mantis88
Thank you
Again thank you
And all your guests
From your contributions
And inspirations to the world
As we know it
We are becoming more
And more global community
In which the digital revolution
Is upon us
And we are all fighting
For digital freedoms
In this third millennium
Thank you again
Okay
Boy there's a lot
To reply to in this
And I've already started
On one of them
First of all
The easy thing is
Yeah a couple people
Recognized that
The song that Bland
Was singing on that outtake
Was Nations of the World
From Animaniacs
And yeah
Bar none
Just one of the greatest
Cartoons ever
Just pure solid gold
Absolutely fantastic
A couple people caught that
I think actually
Code Monkey
I think I saw him
Mention it in IRC too
So shouts to him
And a couple other people
And he mentioned about
Trying to start a 2600 meeting
Maybe his own radio show
Believe me
I know I personally can
In theory
I know
Not theory
We just got done
Saying at the top of the show
How you haven't been on
Because you've been
Working your butt
To the grindstone
Whatever
However that saying goes
You've been working
Your butt off
Oh definitely
I'm working weekends
And holidays
And everything
All night
And you know
I just don't have time
For anything anymore
Yeah
And you know
And everything's like that
Everybody
Most DDP members
I mean I don't have
Three kids
I can't say that
How many
He said four kids
Under the age of three
Four kids
Between the two of them
Yeah
I don't have all those kids
But most of us
In DDP
We're adults
We work full time
Go to college
Do other things
On the side
We're trying to
You know
Live a life
In addition to
All this kind of stuff
Too
But we find
I can't talk
I can't find time
To take speech lessons
Apparently
But we find time
To get things done
Now they're not as quickly
As we would like them to be
But eventually
They do get done
So I'm certain
If this
You know
If you're really serious
About putting together
A 2600 meeting
Or starting your own radio show
You know what
Don't put yourself
Into a situation of
I have to make it every week
I have to make it
You know
So many hours
You know what
Do it whenever you can
Do it when you get time
You know
Work around your
Real life schedule
Just like we do
Again
I wish we could get
Stuff done faster
I wish I could get
A Hack TV episode
Out every week
Just like we do this
But it's just not feasible
It's more difficult
And again
The timing aspect of things
So it can be done
You just have to
Work around your
Real life schedule
That's the most important part
And you know
Budget your time
Allocate your time well
Yeah and I'd say
If you really have
Time constraints
Like really hard
Time constraints
Avoid doing a radio show
At first
Because you don't want
Like you said
You don't want to
Feel pressure to do it
Every single week
And then just release anything
I think you'd probably
Be better off at first
Just you know
Writing some articles
And stuff like that
Something that you can
Take all the time
In the world to do
And get something
Really good out there
Yeah exactly
You know
Or you know
Think ahead of something
You want to film
For Hack TV
Or video
Or something like that
That way you can
Think about it
And then one weekend
When you have time
Go out and get it done
And then once you've
Filmed it
You want to edit it
Or you want to do
Whatever with it
You can do that
You know
A month
Two months down the road
Whenever you get time again
So you know
Pick projects that are
More suited towards
Your time frame
Your schedule
Now
What else here
Oh
And actually
I do appreciate this comment
He mentioned the professionalism
Of the show
And I really appreciate him
Saying that
Because
My language is not
The greatest in the world
I admit that
I drop some F-bombs
Every once in a while
And I know
That kind of hurts the show
As far as what I really
Want to do with the show
And where I want to go with it
I know that
You know
We don't have to deal
With the FCC
Or anything like that
That's one of the great things
About being on the internet
You know
Being on an internet radio show
Is you can
Have true freedom of speech
However
At the same time
Sometimes
I don't know how to say this
Sometimes vulgarity
Helps get a point across
And maybe not
Not even vulgarity
Maybe not even the word
Not even
Not even bad words
Or something
It's just the anger level
And yelling into the microphone
Which I do sometimes
When I get
Angry at something
So I'm getting better
At containing that
Or trying to anyway
But I still want to get
The point across
So I've got to maintain
This happy medium
It's kind of a catch 22
I want to stay in control
But I want to get
A point across
So
All I can do is
Do the best I can
To keep it
To a minimum
And try to balance
Those two things
I know
In theory
You over there
On default radio
I get a lot of
Crap from these guys
For
They claim that
I don't use
I don't speak the truth
Or I don't use free speech
And I control my language
Too much
And I don't get across
My point because
I'm trying to
Tiptoe around bad words
And things like that
I know Lucky gives me
A lot of crap
About that anyway
Yeah default radio
Is definitely a completely
Different spirit of radio
They just don't care
About anything
And you know what
That's great too
That's why I love
You know I love
Listening to default radio
At defaultradio.com
There's the plug man
It's still
That's a great show too
But you know
You need different
Types of shows out there
So I think they're
They very much
Balance each other
So yeah
I try to control
My language
As much as I can
But I still let some slip
And frankly
I'm going to continue
I used to
I tried to go for a while
Where I said
No more
I'm not going to use
Any more foul language
Whatsoever
But you know what
I just don't think
I can get my point
Across sometimes
Rax used to always
Tell me a lot
That
Using
Bad words
And cussing
Is just a
Kind of a crutch
You can still get
Your point across
By replacing every bad word
With some other word
Well
In theory
That sounds nice
But
Not really
You know what
Sometimes you really
Got to drop the F-bomb
If you want to get
People's attention
Yeah
People don't know
How angry you are
Until you start
You know
Yeah
Exactly
You know
I can scream fudge
All I want to
But you know what
Nobody's going to
Take that seriously
Either
So yeah
There is kind of
A mix in there
So
But again
My whole thing
With this show
Also
See that's the other thing
About default radio
That's great about it too
Is they're for the community
They're all about
A hacking show
A technology show
Sometimes an
Ageofconsent.com show
And they're gearing it
And they're aiming it
Towards hackers
And I'm really
Trying to go beyond
I do aim for hackers
As well
I try to keep a
Technical show
That appeals to hackers
But I want to
Draw more people
Into the hacking community
I want to educate people
And make people
Outside of our community
Come into our community
And join and spread
And grow the community
And it's very hard
To do that
If I'm cussing
Every other word
And talking about
Topics that aren't
About hacking
Or that mislead people
And things like that
So professionalism
Is something that
I do keep in mind
I keep a nice format
I try to keep things flowing
And I'm probably spending
Too much time on this topic
So I'll keep it flowing again
But I want to educate people
And bring people
Into the community
So I'm hoping
I'm hitting
Those fringe people
And those people
That are programmers
Sitting in an office
All day
Like you know
A couple people
I get emails all the time
I listen to your show
At work
That's the people
I want to reach
And I want them
To come in
And join the hacking community
And produce
And write articles
And write programs
And learn
You know
That's what hacking
Is really all about
So those are the people
I'm trying to reach
And you can't listen
To the show at work
If you know
You're dropping bad words
All the time
And talking about
You know
All kinds of other things
So
Kind of got to
Know your audience
I guess
Well put
Oh man
So yeah
Thank you very much
For the support
Like we said earlier
This is the first episode
Of year two
So we're going to try
To be more professional
Or at least as professional
As we have been in the past
So we're going to keep going
So thank you very much
For pointing that out
I sincerely appreciate that
So
We're going to
Jump into the
Show and tell part
Of the show
And you know what
I've been talking
For quite a while here
Why don't you
You want to talk about
Bellsmind.net
Because I know
That's actually
I really wanted to get into
Some in depth talk
About exactly what you
Used to write it
And some of the problems
That we went through
Of me trying to get you
The stuff you needed
For the
To up and running
And stuff like that
We tried to talk about it
The other night
On default
But
Sergeant Switchhook
And Duel
And all those other guys
They just
Got off track
Which is alright
I got off track too
But
Yeah
Just a quick review
For anybody who doesn't know
NPA.php
Was the script
That I had written
That does the look up
Through area codes
And prefixes
It tells you
Which company owns
What prefix
And all this other kind of stuff
It was up on my machine
For a while
On the
Tanglement.net
And then it went down
Because I moved
And just got sick
And tired of maintaining it
So Bellsmind
Is basically
The resurrection of that
Like
Now you can
You can look up
Area codes
You can look up
Exchanges
You can look up
Silly codes
And switches
And all this other
Kind of stuff
Through a similar interface
And
Basically I want to
Make the website
A place where
Freaks can go
And they can look up
The information they need
And they can submit
Numbers that they found
Like elevator phone numbers
Or any type of
Any type of weird
Telco stuff that they find
They can submit that
And other people
Can look it up
So I want it to be
Like a freak repository
You know
And that's
Where the name came from
Racks actually came up
With the name
Of Bellsmind.net
It's basically
The bind of the phone
System on a website
Where you can go
And look it up
So
Now is the
The capability
To upload
And submit stuff
You haven't
Implemented that yet
No actually
It's implemented
And if you know
Where to look
You can get to it
Right now
But nobody knows
Where to look for it
I just
Basically what I want
To do is
I want to clean it up
Before anybody else
Uses it
You know
Debug it
Make sure that
There's nothing weird
Going on there
And then let people
Play with it
Because I don't want
People to start
Signing on
And then have
Problems with it then
All right
No absolutely
Work all that out first
Absolutely
But yeah
The code's pretty much
There
The code's been
Sitting around
For a long time
We went through
Some hosting problems
And then I went
Through you know
Having to work
All the time
And not being able
To fix stuff
And but now
It seems worked out
It's all
It's all PHP
It's got some XML
Stuff which
Basically this PHP
Script generates
XML
Generates all
Gets the information
Out of the database
Generates XML for it
And then I can send
That XML
Either to another
PHP script
Which generates a
Web page
Or I can send it
To the BellsMind bot
Which will then
You know
When you message that
It'll go and look up
This data
Get it in XML
And then parse it out
And then spit back
In a human readable
Format
The information that it got
So
Yeah I've been
Been working on
You know
Looking into some
XML stuff
Lately myself
And I'm
It's very very handy
Oh yeah
It's awesome
So useful
You can just
Basically get
Get information
Put it in a format
And then have an
XML parser
You know
Read that
Pick out exactly
What it needs
And just ignore
The rest of the junk
Which is what
Made it so easy
For me to implement
This bot
You know
This aim bot
Now
You know
All I have to do
Is just hit the
Web page
Get the XML
Parse it out
And send you back
The results
And it's
It's gonna
Turn into a much
Bigger site
I have a lot
Of good things
Planned for it
A couple things
I want to get
Out of the way
Before hope
You know
I want to
I want to kind of
Have like
The majority of stuff
Up and running
By hope
So
It's gonna be
A very busy week
For me
A bunch of
PHP and
ProScript writing
Yeah now
It's
All PHP based
Like you said
Now
You can't look
At the PHP code
But I did go
Through and look
At
I looked at
Your PHP function
Calls anyway
I saw the parameters
That you're passing
To the PHP scripts
Yeah
I saw the way
That works
But yeah
The PHP code
Itself
I actually
Was gonna
I guess
We'll have to
Take that offline
But I was
Working on a
Different project
Myself
I was gonna
Touch base
With you about
And bounce
Some ideas
Off of you
As well
Yeah actually
I'm planning
On releasing
The source
It's just
That
Like I said
It's been
A long time
Since I even
Looked at the
Code
I haven't
Had a chance
To really
Go through it
I just got it
In a workable
Form
And just
Throw it
Up on the
Website
Once I'm
Happy with
The code
Once it's
Commented enough
I think
Jedi Bebopper
Somebody asked
If I was
Gonna release
The code
And yes
I definitely
Will release
All the code
You know
The PHP scripts
The Perl scripts
That I have
To send out
E-mails
And other stuff
The Perl script
For the aimbot
Is gonna be released
The SQL
For the database
Like the entire
Bellsmind.net
Database
Is gonna be
Available to anybody
You know
You can just
Go and download it
It's a Postgres
Database
But you could
Probably easily
Put it into
MySQL
And
Have it up
And running
On your own
Machine
In no time
So yeah
In the spirit
Of open source
Everything is
Gonna be released
It's just
Gonna take me
Some time
I don't
Want to release
It half-assed
That's basically
How it works
Absolutely
And since you
Mentioned that
It's in Postgres
We had some
Problems
That's one of
The reasons
It took so
Long to get
This up also
Was getting
Postred
Postgres
Excuse me
Installed
And recompiling
Apache with support
And all that
Kind of good stuff
Yeah
That gets
Tricky
And annoying
And whatever
But finally
I set up
My own
Colo box
Instead of
Harassing you
All the time
Saying oh
I need this
Stupid feature
I need this
Thing
I forgot to
Tell you
I need this
I just set it
Up in my
Own box
And did all
The
Using Debian
I used all
The package
Selections
Selected all
The stuff
I need
Which is
Basically
PHP
The PHP
Postgres
Module
The PHP
XML
Module
And I think
That's the
Bulk of it
There was
Some other
Like I need
The Pro
Modules
For the
AIM bot
And stuff
Like that
But I got
It all
All set up
Now
It's working
Pretty nicely
So basically
I encourage
People to go
To bellsmind.net
Check out
The lookup
Stuff
Definitely
When you go
To the lookup
Don't bookmark
The lookup
Page
Always go
To the
Bellsmind.net
Page first
Because eventually
What's going to
Happen is
Instead of it
Taking you
Directly to that
Lookup
It's going to
Take you
To the
Finished site
There's going
To be an
Actual real
Site
There's going
To be
Articles
On it
There's going
To be
Real
Information
And there's
Going to be
A link
To the
Lookup
Stuff
So if
You just
Always go
To the
Lookup
Eventually
You're going
To miss
All the
Other cool
Features
That are
Added
Yeah
Well
You'll
Means
If anybody
Wants to
Donate
Some time
And make
Some Bellsmind
Graphics
Or something
Like that
Definitely
Email them
To me
Just bounce
Them off
Me and let
Me know
What you guys
Got
Because I
Definitely
Am not
A web
Designer
As you
Can tell
From every
Page I've
Ever put
Together
They're all
Terrible
So
With some
Design
Flare
That can
Make it
Look really
Nice
Yeah
I feel
You on
That
I'm right
There with
You on
That one
Yeah
So
Hmm
Oh and
There's the
Bellsmind
PBX
Also
Is my
The PBX
That I
Had set
Up for
A while
Phone
Number
Is 810
223
0003
Or
914
595
0135
Those two
Numbers
Will bring
You to
The Bellsmind
PBX
It's got
Some nice
Voice prompts
Recorded
From a
Friend of
Mine
And basically
It's got
RFA recordings
Binrev
Archive
The ANAC
Which reads
Back your
Phone number
Touchtone
Decoder
And some
Evan doorbell
Recordings
And you
Know
There's a
Lot more
Stuff to
Come
And there's
Some hidden
Stuff on
There
And if
You're
If you're
Inclined
To find
It
By all
Means
Please do
Yeah
And actually
I'm
That's another
Thing that
Unfortunately
Has fallen
Off the
Wayside
For me
Is I
Know you
Set up
A nice
Voicemail
Box system
And stuff
Like that
That we
Were going
To use
For the
Show
And I
Know we
Kind of
Could give
That stuff
Out right
Now
But I
I just
I
to go in there and set it up and configure it and all that kind of stuff so hopefully by the next
show or two we'll have that up and running so people can start leaving voicemails and things
for us yeah definitely there's there's big things planned for the for the voicemail system and
anybody who helps me out with the website definitely you if you want a free voicemail box
or five free voicemail boxes or whatever if you help me out with the uh with the website
give me some graphics anything you want on that thing it's all yours um so unless your name ends
in 225 what's that unless your name ends in 225 yeah in which case i can't help you out at all
sorry about that one oh man yeah the the setting up the website the web hosting problems we had i i
had the same problems myself and end up having to install things locally in my home and it just
ended up being a nightmare so i'm glad you got it all working i know that was kind of a one of the
roadblocks you had so yeah for the work i'm doing now i have a colo box that i have complete control
so i figured i might as well you know machines idle pretty much all the time so yeah isn't that a
great not great thing to have oh yeah it's just awesome it runs you know it runs the website no
problem it runs it's actually running the pvx and and the whole bit too so yeah that's it's great
feeling yeah it's really oh um i don't want to put you on the spot but i think i probably already
know this answer i assume you probably didn't make it to your 2600 meeting no weren't you guys i
almost never make it to my 2600 but i thought they were trying to start one there
yeah they're trying to start one in connecticut in connecticut and i i talk to code monkey about
it every once in a while and i really want to go it's just that it is so damn inconvenient that
these meetings are at like five and six o'clock and for me to drive you know 30 something miles
through like the worst traffic out of manhattan ever at rush hour it's just really not going to
happen yeah and i think if i remember right i i could be incorrect but i thought they canceled
this one anyway because of the close proximity with hope being a week away that they said they
weren't going to bother anyway so i don't think oh is it really yeah i don't even think you missed
one good thing i didn't try to go because i was really amped about going this time you know
really didn't have much going on on friday so i was like oh maybe i'll go to new york city one or
maybe i'll go to the connecticut one but if they canceled it it would really piss me off
yeah but you know um we have people that show up at like seven seven thirty to the meeting we
know i mean people work late and you know come in whenever they can so if you don't get there
right at five or six i don't think that's such a big deal but yeah it's just that with uh with a
smaller meeting in connecticut i didn't know how long it would end up going so yeah that's true too
i guess um they know ahead of time they'll stick around for you or something but yeah anyway that
can be worked out in the future i could probably hold i could probably show up like anytime and
there'd be people there till probably like nine o'clock or whatever but and again i don't want the
hassle of going into the city just for uh just for like an hour and let's let's see how
let's get through hope first let's just get let's just get through hope all right for right
now like our our meeting was a little bit lighter this time too because hope kind of threw it off
some people didn't even know if there was going to be actually we thought that it was we thought
hope was scheduled in the first friday of this month so we didn't realize there would be a meeting
until the last minute so i think some some other people might have felt the same way so it was a
little bit light but um we still had a best i don't know we probably still had 10 12 people
which is pretty good um and we all going to bet we all got together afterwards and went to see
spider-man 2 which you guys knew about you're talking about that on default last week we did
go see spider-man 2 and uh after that we uh we did the two for special if you know what i mean and
went to see dodgeball after that was over with which oh man oh hey that was hey you get a two for
and a student discount dude you can't beat that that's true that's a fair price that's a fair price
to me um dodgeball was funny by the way and spider-man was pretty all right i like the first
one better don't send me hate mail but i like spider-man one better but whatever um but dodgeball
was hilarious not a not an award-winning movie but boy was it did it make you laugh so um so i did
that last week and of course um doing the clip shows like i said somebody i think i don't know who
was somebody made a joke i think an irc or made a comment about how i've been i got away with
doing two clip shows here recently man clip shows are harder to do than real shows i'm telling you
i have to listen to all these old clips and cut out parts that edit them and stuff on the fly and
put them all together and try to fill up an hour with a bunch of 30 second and one minute clips you
know that's i agree any type of any type editing like that is tedious hey if somebody thinks it's really
easy to make a clip show feel free to go ahead and make one for us so yeah right clip shows are not
easy man they really aren't so they were hard i'd rather do this show anytime like i said um
i've also man i just i'm stressed man i'm pulling my hair out well i got a haircut so i don't have
much hair left to pull out but um i'm really stressed now i've got so much stuff going on again
hope is coming up i've spent the last two or three nights making some very big changes to my hope
presentation um changed a lot of screenshots to some some videos and uh demonstrations in lieu of
having a machine there of course in as400 so i got some some video clips in there hopefully that'll be
a little bit more interactive it'll be a little bit you know more engaging hopefully for people
won't be as boring so i think it's a some good changes to the presentation so um spent a lot of
my time doing that because i do want that to to go well i want to put the same professionalism into
that that i do into the show into the magazine and frankly everything else we try to do um
organizing a yankees game we're all getting together to go check out the yankees while we're up there
everybody is kicking and screaming but damn it i'm dragging you kicking and streaming um actually
i might have bad news for you by the way oh man yeah i'm gonna spring this i'm gonna spring this on
right here on the air too the tickets that we got i did not do this on purpose so don't yell at me
but as it turns out they're in the family no alcohol section shut the hell up i swear to god i did not
purposely do that i didn't even realize it until they sent me the confirmation email
oh my god i know i just took away your only reason for going
i think that just means that the vendors don't come by selling it i think you can still go and
bring it down i i think anyway i yeah i may just not do this oh after this fucking information what
come on come on man terrible yeah i know i didn't i didn't realize until after it was all over with
and then doggone it i'm like oh man i don't even want to break this to him because i know that's one
of the reasons you're looking forward to go or you couldn't care less about baseball oh my god i
couldn't care anything about baseball ever he said that i invited rax to go to and rax says hell no i
don't go to damn baseball game so anyway you're gonna have fun anyway damn it i think you i think
everything will be fine i think that just means they don't have the vendors walking up and down
screaming beer and selling beer and stuff like that yeah at least that's what it means down here at uh
at the florida marlins at uh at miami so i assume it's the same there um so anyway organizing that
buying tickets getting all that together and and the rest of my uh new york city plans i got to do some
of the touristy things and epiphany's been uh working with me on some stuff like that too so
shouts to him um and trying to put together a cd of of the radio show i want to put a nice
nice cd that automatically starts brings up an html page with all the show notes and all the episodes
on a cd stand alone so we've been putting that off and trying to think that through and everything
and luckily sub-zero dj sub-zero came through last night and helped me out big time big time and
worked on that and basically did that for me and tweaked it a little bit but i've i got that ready
to go so now i gotta spend the next couple of days burning hundreds of copies of those to hand out at
hope oh and uh filming some hack tv segments i did get a hack tv segment filmed a couple weeks ago
uh so that's cool and oh i guess i probably didn't mention that i quit my job yeah that was kind of
a big event in case that slips so those people who and you're starting what tomorrow and i'm starting
my new one tomorrow and we're recording this it'll be freaking long after midnight and i gotta be up in
a few hours to start my new job i'm really i'm just a winner i'm just you're only working for two
days and then you're going straight i know i'm just grabbing life by the cojones you know and just
i i did i told them up front when they hired me that i had already made plans and had hotel reserved
and planes so they're very cool with it so i don't it's not a problem but yeah it's kind of
seems kind of tacky to me you know so but hey whatever i told them up front i'm like listen i don't
want it to be rude or anything that i'm gonna work for two days and then leave for a week
but hey what are you gonna do so man that's you know in between that i get a couple hours of sleep
here here and there and that's been my i mean this past month to me has just been rough because
quitting your job is no easy task especially when they depend on you as much as they have for me and
i have to type up documentation for every last little thing and you have to your documentation
has to cater to the lowest common denominator yeah i mean you feel me on that one right i mean
you have to write it so that a fucking trained monkey could follow it oh i dropped an f-bomb right
there doggone it oh well no i already i already dropped the f-bomb when you told me about the beer
situation oh okay well as long as we have a good reason oh man i know what you're talking about when
i when i left my job i had to write documentation too i didn't have to write for idiots so i mean
these guys really the guys at my old job really know what they're doing so i could i could get
away with writing something complicated but still writing documentation for something you've been
working on um when you thought you didn't have to it's just a pain in the ass yeah and i
unfortunately i have to write to the there's a couple people that know what they're doing but
for the most part they don't and that's really one of the reasons i've left although the ultimate
kick right in the crotch is that the person they already hired somebody to replace me at 20 grand
more than i made wow how rude is that how just incredibly rude if they would have paid me that i
wouldn't have left but whatever i won't even go there let's move on to it let's see what's our timing
situation here i think we're all right we got time to cover this yeah we're all right um
oh man okay okay wait is there anything else we left out is that the show and tell is that
everything because we've been working on so much man and plus i we already mentioned it but you're
on default radio this past week um the pbx as we mentioned um yeah hopefully next week actually i'll
be doing default radio from hope um i mean i'll be caught by the way it'll work out is that i'll be
calling in to uh you know to whatever conference doug and lucky you're recording on and uh and doing the
show from there so good call yeah absolutely well radio hunt me down and uh maybe i'll i'll pass off
the cell phone for a while yeah i might if it's on a conference or something i'd like to call in
myself just to say hey and be on it um all of us are going to be doing that too i'm going to have
to do an episode of of BinRev radio from there because i'm going to be there through next week
or a little bit into the week so i'm definitely going to have to do one from there
um i don't know how i'm going to stream it but i'll figure that out that's minor
um i can wardrobe if i have to um and uh rfa rfa i think might be having something going on
uh again slip modes presentation on internet radio is going on saturday at nine i hope that's right i
hope i'm not giving out the wrong time for his his presentation dual told me it was at nine so
i'm hoping that's the case so verify that at hope.net at the speakers list so yeah that's it
and um let's go on to a one topic anyway before we close the show out and this was something that
zero db emailed me this article he thought was interesting and so did i and and um again we'll
put the link up in the show notes like we always do but this is from reuters news service and its
title of it is school teaches ethical hacking um oh boy yeah and first of all this one article
article is yeah we're going to talk about this particular article and the and i'm going to read
some of this to you and the names and stuff but frankly they're not the only one that does this so
i don't want to just single out just these one people but this happens quite a bit and this is the
one that's most recent so i'm going to kind of go through this a little bit um let's see
los angeles uh i'm not going to read all of this let me i'll try to i'll try to capsize the whole
thing i'll try to summarize the whole thing excuse me um basically uh sets a scene of an instructor
here in front of a class of 15 buttoned down corporate academic and military leaders the lesson
hacking the students huddle over laptops at a los angeles area college the students huddle over
laptops at los angeles area college have paid nearly four thousand dollars to attend quote hacker
college a computer boot camp designed to show how people will try to break into network systems
and how they will succeed that was four thousand dollars they pay for this change four grand that is
no joke man i you can listen to the show for free i just want to throw that out there you can come by
the website and listen to the show absolutely free and learn that same material true i don't you know
that's i mean honestly in the in the you said it's 15 days uh let's see no class of 15 people in this
particular they're setting a scene of yeah okay okay well depending on how long the class is
technical training is expensive you mean even if it's not for this you know hacking school whatever
even if you're doing i did some vx works training at some point and i think that was that was probably
five thousand dollars for a week yeah it's it's it's absolutely you're you're all of it is expensive
exorbitantly i think but but in this particular one it's like yeah it's like um i don't know you can't
teach hacking you have to hacking has to be learned and i know that sounds contradictory but you can't
teach it you have to learn it you have to feel it you have to be it it's there's a difference between
i don't know and let's see maybe later on this article it mentions how long or something but
let's see um it's amazing it's an amazing thing to see how insecure the big corporations are said
ekamendia i guess that's the instructor during a break in the week here it is week long seminar it's
one week okay it's just amazing how easy it is hackers oh god this is hackers are believed to
cost global businesses billions of dollars every year that's billions with a b billions of dollars
every year and the costs to defend them are soaring one study by good harbor consulting show that
security now accounts for as much as 12 percent of corporate technology budgets up from three percent
five years ago well yeah at four thousand dollars a pop for these glasses of course the costs are
soaring that's ridiculous um and and i have to say one thing here if they're spending 12 percent if
they were spending three percent back then and they're spending 12 percent now maybe they're not
spending too much now they were just spending too little then which is why all these machines get
broken into so easily yeah and they're catching up yeah they may just be catching up for lost time
they should have yeah you know if they went from three to 12 but they should be at 20
you know there's still less than what they should as far as well i don't know about the budget anyway
but at least as far as how much emphasis they put on it yeah you know when when things started with
the with the internet and people putting businesses online they didn't really think about it so like
you said they've got to catch up now and it's going to be expensive if you did it right from the start
you wouldn't be in this situation and it's not gave a crap yeah and it's not hacker's fault that you did it
half-assed yeah it really isn't especially since hackers don't break into computers and destroy
stuff so yeah you know and and i've got a great yeah i've got a great little irony coming up about
that too um they're taking advantage of these businesses gullible businesses that feed off the
stereotype that hackers are going to break into their system and they're perpetuated by offering
these classes you know so they're taking advantage of these people they're scared and they're thinking
oh well our budget's only three percent we got to update it so let's send our guys to these
classes and let's defend against the evil hackers and blah blah you know what how is that teaching
ethical hacking there's no ethics in that taking advantage of a company and its ignorance i don't
think that's very ethical you know to me anyway so i don't know if ethical hacking what i don't like
that you know what i don't like about this i would probably be much better about it if it were called
um you know security hardening your system some something like that calling it ethical hacking i that's
what i don't really particularly care about because i still say you can't teach hacking
hacking has to be learned on your own because you have to go through the steps somebody gives you
it's like the old what is the thing about give a man a fish and he eats for a day teach a man to
fish and he eats forever you know it's the same thing is something you have you have to look and do
your own research and stuff like that you got to search it out you can't have it given to you yeah
i mean if you give and and what that that's what's going to happen is you give it to somebody and
then six months from then they're going to be sol because they're going to be lost because they
can't have that thought process yeah uh let's see this will be lost there'll just be another four
thousand dollar course to catch them up yeah i know and they'll just keep perpetuating and then
talk about how costs have gone up from 12 percent to 18 percent and then from 18 to 27 percent and all
of it whose fault is it the hackers wait a minute no it's you you're selling fear this is something
the duel used to always say all the time they're selling fear at four thousand dollars per person
per week oh anyway let's see this uh it goes on to say quote this is definitely bleeding edge so
bleeding edge in fact sometimes that it is frightening uh said a student in the class at mount sierra
college who owns a small computer consulting company the course okay listen the course you've you've taken
these training and so have i the technical training and you know how they go sometimes how
silly some of the courses you can get good stuff if you put your mind to it but yeah the course prepares
students for an exam offered by the international council of e-commerce consultants or ec council if
they pass that test they get the ultimate seal of approval certified ethical hacker oh god i know
i i really you know what i'm really going to look into this i want to see what this is about and see
i would love to have a framed thing in my room says certified ethical hacker and i'll keep right on doing
the show and putting out the website and anytime somebody tries to call me i can say hey certified
ethical hacker biatch don't give me any crap i'm certified ridiculous yeah it's you know what happens if we
all get that all of a sudden everybody's a certified ethical hacker does it carry any you know what's the
anyway um the class is by no means easy instructors race through topics like symmetric versus asymmetric
key cryptography symmetric is faster war dialing hackers will always call late at night yeah right and well-known
tcp ports and services be wary of an any activity on port zero hmm i can definitely say it's not
for everyone says blah blah blah director of network security services for the california state
university's 23 campus system if you don't have discipline you won't make it through this course
well that's true of anything um let's see but the work is practical too now here this is funny
but the work is practical too on the first day students were taught basic free and legal research
methods something that we always say that we just basic legal things um mostly involving search
engines and securities databases so they could learn as much information as possible about companies
their executives and systems with relatively little effort they found out that the chief executive of one
public company maintained his own website dedicated to guitars while another public company still uses a number
of systems known to be easily exploited by hackers yeah there's a word for that it's called
footprinting binary revolution magazine issue 1.15 available online and you still have 3995
left that you can spend on lap dances or whatever floats your boat yeah right dude that you know
if i write it in an article in a magazine i'm the evil hacker but if i charge four grand to a bunch of
schmucks from some corporation then you're an ethical hacker i don't what am i missing here
what am i missing in that logic seriously by writing an article and keeping it underground or keeping it
within the hacking community it's a bad thing i mean it's so hypocritical what the way these people
oh very very hypocritical uh let's say that's why they're not about full disclosure because they want
charge you for disclosure yeah yeah absolutely absolutely they don't yeah make this make this
course available online where i can get a certified ethical hacking certificate maybe we should make
our own yeah like i have time for another project but you know what seriously sounds like a great idea
but you know what it's just not going to happen anytime soon wouldn't that be great what if the
hacking community offered a hacking certificate of some sort that would be more that would carry more
weight to me yeah once you finish one of the war games or something you could just get a free
certificate or something yeah a good war game though oh yeah you know something that covers a lot of
stuff and free you know or maybe the cost of printing off a certificate or a frame or whatever
oh they send you a pdf of the certificate yeah and you do what you want with it great
anyway uh let's see intense school the florida-based company that runs the hacking boot camp started
off in 1997 with a 35 000 investment teaching god get this teaching microsoft and cisco software to
systems engineers after the september 11 2001 terror attacks again this goes back to what i said selling
fear after september 11 2001 terror attacks the company expanded its focus to information security
courses it now offers about 200 classes a year generating about 15 million dollars in annual
revenue wow 15 million per year annual revenue are they really that afraid of hackers the fifth that
now hackers is terrorists that they're afraid of yeah and they're selling fear of a to combat against
b you know hackers are not terrorists that's the thing that they just they align us together i
don't i don't know i don't know there's a connection between september 11th and information security i
mean what you know i you know i really don't other than i uh allegations that that the terrorists use the
internet to communicate or something but guess what that doesn't mean they're hackers on the internet
that doesn't mean they're related to hacking that means they had aim like every other ao loser out there
yeah come on now i mean seriously that doesn't make there's no relationship whatsoever between
those two terms but again i'm not going to get on that soapbox but here's the i here's the real
irony here is one of the biggest things that i think everybody in the security industry knows and
every hacker knows that that is a proven fact statistics show that most break-ins and illegal activity and
file theft and damage to systems occur from someone on the inside disgruntled employees people that
don't you know that are inside and that are going to use their access and abuse to sell like there was
an i probably should have brought this on the show notes but i'm going to wing it here there was an
article that just happened this week from aol do you remember do you know what i'm talking about
somebody from aol that worked in aol sold the entire aol database of emails oh no i didn't hear
about the entire database he sold it to some spammer he got busted got caught for it but somebody on
the inside of aol sold the whole database to a spammer first of all like everybody aol's already
spammed to death anyway from aol ironically and never and everyone else but yeah sold it someone on
the inside it wasn't hackers no hacker infiltrated and stole that database no hacker went in and
threatened somebody on the inside just like most occurrences most break-ins they occur from people
on the inside that are thieves not a hacker a thief he stole that file he didn't hack he's not a hacker
he's not a terrorist frankly either either he's a thief and i mean it's a very clear delineation
there's no relationship between those either but again that's the statistics show that most of this
stuff does happen from the inside thieves who are trying to use their access to make money
disgruntled employees stuff like that do they teach that in these classes do you think they make a point
of that because if so it comes across to me as just horrible irony that they're teaching people how to
hack that are employees on the inside so they're actually making them better and easier to steal files
and get them out yeah exactly under the guise of keeping hackers no wait a minute what's wrong with
this picture that's back ass words yeah everything's wrong with that picture now you're never going to
stop the people from the inside from uh they're training them you know aren't they am i am i i'm not
exaggerating am i they're training these people giving them skills to make them better if if they
wanted to steal something or or cause damage from the inside they're teaching them yeah definitely
so why should they be what is it certified ethical and and us real hackers out in the world are
automatically the bad guy unethical dirty thief hacker terrorist whatever we're no different if
anything we're better yeah i don't know it doesn't sound to me like this course really teaches ethics
they just assume that you're ethical because you're spending money exactly you know you know
some company says oh yeah go learn this so now you're ethical that's an excellent point you're buying
you can't buy ethics but you can't for four thousand bucks well apparently you can but but you can't
that's an wow you made me think that's an excellent point you just can't buy ethics but apparently you
can lease it for after long this one if you have to renew the certification and stuff anyway i really
might have to look into this so uh let's see let's see i'll finish this up here um what we attempt to
do in our classes is teach how the hackers think well again i until you go through it hackers the way
you think is you hit that wall you figure out how to get through that wall around that wall under
that wall or break through that wall and you have to go through that process yourself if somebody
hands you a map to dig under the wall or a map to how to go around the wall or something like that
eventually they're going to fix that and that map is worthless but if you hammer against that wall and
understand how the wall was built and where the vulnerabilities lie and how to adapt etc and that's
a trait that most hackers have is adaptability that's what makes us hackers that's what makes
us better than than these corporate white hat ethical hackers or whatever they are
um so trying to teach how hackers think i don't know if that's really possible quite honestly
uh it says dave kaufman president of intense school the only way to keep hackers out of major
corporate systems he said is to know how they will be attacked in the first place
uh cal state sukiing said that in his case the problem is that the users of his system
know how to attack all too well we teach students how to hack and how to code and here are students
applying what they've learned against us he said if you taught them and you can't secure your own
system well i won't even go there anyway that's the article and again i don't want to single out
this company or the particular companies listed here because there are quite a few that are selling
this similar certifications and security and stuff like that i guess if they label it security i'd have
i'd be a little bit more comfortable i still think it's kind of silly but labeling it certified
ethical hacking that it's just not true they're not teaching them ethics like you said and you can't
buy it so um and again i said earlier about teach a man to fish and he'll eat forever it's like
you give basically what they're selling you're going to teach them current hacking techniques you're
going to teach them things that are going on right now teaching them about a i don't know the latest
denial of service or the latest internet bug and tell them how to turn off the port that it's using
and that'll solve the problem congratulations here's your certificate that's you're selling a false sense
of security in the form of some kind of certification i mean that's what are you going to do 10 years from
now when everything has changed or five years or even six months from now again if you have those
hacking skills and the mindset of going through it you know it's it'll be more effective than just
learning the rope you know learning the the directions following directions it's like any
other skill that you have you know i mean am i am i off am i way off base here or no no no no i'm just
i'm just thrown off by this whole thing it's just it's just a scam to make a whole lot of money and
i don't know and and it is at our expense isn't it our expense as hackers oh yeah definitely
i mean just in the marketing alone i don't know what they say about hackers in the class but the
marketing alone it's like oh my god these people are going to break in and steal all your stuff no
oh we might break in and find uh pictures of you and your girlfriend getting it on and you know put
it on our website but oh maybe not nah um yeah this is um i don't know if this is way out there
man i don't know what to think about this i generally i'm all for education i really you know i'm i would
be perfectly fine if you know these were listed as security things and people are learning it's it's
it's all good that they're learning how to protect their networks and everything that part's fine
they have every right to do that and they should do that but the prices that they're charging
that just seems really unreasonable and yes i understand other technical classes and boot camps
and stuff like that are also expensive frankly those as well especially hacking but any any of those
things you can teach yourself this stuff i mean that's what hackers do too we sit down and we
go to the websites and read up on it we read the manuals that's why we're all into open source
because all that information is given to you you can learn it on your own no proprietary stuff
i have to say that some technical training actually is very good like they've laid out
lessons and stuff like that to teach you like techniques to do things um but some technical
training is garbage you know it's just basically they go through the manual and that's it
and that's that stuff's unnecessary but wait didn't you say these guys give you a laptop or
something uh they just no it just says they sit in front of laptops at the beginning
because i saw one of these things once i saw an advertisement maybe it was a defcom last year
when i went uh some flyer that was passed out or something and basically i think it was four or
five thousand dollars you know it's this hacker training course like this one but they give you
a laptop at the end of it um i imagine the laptop is a piece of garbage because they're not going to
give you like a thirty five hundred dollar laptop or five hundred bucks on the training
they'll add it to the price of the training yeah exactly or you know what else it could be
selling laptops under the guise of a training thing yeah the goal is simply to sell the laptop the rest
of the stuff is bogus yep i've seen that happen before i've seen that many times yeah i think you
know what i think there's nothing wrong with education as you said right you know as under the guise of
you know we're going to make you an ethical hacker and you're going to be able to protect your
you know your environment it's just not going to happen in a week no there's just no way no no any
technical training that i've gone to that was a week long teach you the basics then you have to
really go and keep learning for yourself otherwise you're just it's going to be completely useless
yeah a week after you get back a new exploit comes out or a new style of attack or a new something
comes out your school is over with so they're not going to teach it to you so the only way that
you're going to learn it or find out is by keeping up with the scene teaching yourself learning about
how it works and how to defend against it anyway well guess what you could have done that without
the four thousand dollar class in the first place yeah you're going to have to do it after the class if
you want to maintain your skills so just do it yourself just learn take the initiative these people
have to realize that learning is a process it's not a one-time action you know you don't just do it
once in a minute said okay i learned it right you know you know there's a difference between
learning and memorizing huge difference if you don't learn it you memorize it it's gone
so you memorize directions but when your person moves when somebody moves you're never going to
find them again anyway i just wish they didn't you know a charge so much and b all this is available
for free on the internet i said jokingly earlier but i did seriously i wrote a very in-depth article
on footprinting and you can buy the magazine for five bucks and i'm not saying that to pimp the
magazine people listening to show know that we sell a magazine that's not it i'm telling you that
this information is here and i'm certainly i'm not the only one that's ever written information like
this tons of stuff out there on the web about footprinting i'm certain of it there's got to be
and not only that that's one article in this whole magazine and then you have 2600 magazine and
just all the e-zines online and the websites just put the time in there go out there and learn it
yourself and and doing it that way you will learn what real true ethical hacking is can't buy it on
a freaking certificate from some all right anyway let me hop off of that soapbox i i controlled myself
fairly well i'm i did all right on that one not bad all right man anything else you want to add before
we oh man before we go into shouts or do you want to go you go ahead with the shouts
yeah i'm going to give shouts to um what did you wait a minute did you mention defcon before you go
on did you want to talk mention something about defcon um or did you earlier no i thought i had some
news about defcon but uh i'm going to hold off on that i'll announce uh whatever i've got to announce
i guess closer to defcon okay i don't know which is at the middle no the end of july yeah at the end
of july i think it's july 30th 30th 31st july 31 days i'm not sure yeah yeah 30 july 30th 31st and
august 1st defcon okay um at the alexis park hotel in las vegas um yeah i had something planned
for that but i'm not i'm not gonna announce just yet so all right all right we'll keep everyone
informed when you're ready to go through with that yeah um shout outs shout outs um sergeant switch hook
um dual man let me think who else doug and um you know what i think that's it is that it i am too
lazy to keep going i'm just shot man yeah i know it's a late night i'm gonna wrap it up myself and
go to my new job tomorrow that's gonna be very interesting hopefully they're better people than
my old job anyway my old the people at my old job would never listen to the show anyway they don't
have the motivation or the desire for knowledge but anyway um my shout outs actually i get quite
a few because i've been off for a couple layers and so people have been doing a lot of cool things to
help me out um first of all i'm gonna give shout out to white sword i gave shout outs before about
white sword tv and he's actually come out with episode two which was also very cool so sincere
shout outs to him um it really is a good show i'm not saying that in a sarcastic way joking really
is pretty cool i it kept me interested and i watched the whole thing and i and i mean that so
shouts to him um shouts to dj mollusk dj sub zero uh 813 era again i mentioned earlier they've been
doing a lot of great things helping me out with the site show notes some other stuff um the the cd
of the radio show uh sub zero did most of the work on that if not all of the work on that so
that helps me tremendously that's just one less thing you know you heard all the stuff earlier
that i'm working on trying to get done and you know that helps tremendously that people help out
and do stuff like that some things i have to do myself but you know other people can help out with
these things and that really really goes very far with me and i truly appreciate it so definitely
shouts out to them um and we're going to close out this week um for another track from betallica
which is a play on words it's beat the beatles and metallica joined together so a pretty cool rock
band got the metallica feel to it and this song is called i want to choke your band i don't think
we've closed with this before if we have sorry you're going to hear it again and i guess that is it
so not theory thank you my friend for being on the show thanks for having me back and yeah we'll
you know we want to get you on as often as possible you always have great content great stuff to talk
about and you keep me reined in and and corrected when i make mistakes so oh yeah whatever reminds me
one last thing shoot the bell's mind updates go to forums.binrev.com freaks and geeks forum
there's a couple of threads about bell's mind there's going to be stuff coming up before hope so
check it out keep yourself posted yeah and you know what also you mentioned about
you know making it open source putting making the source available and all but the latest most
up-to-date version will always be up and running at bell's mind.net yeah right so anytime changes or
additions or updates or whatever they're always going to go there so get in the habit of going there
for your information so yep that is going to do it and yeah i know you know i know your job
situation it's totally cool i've been there i know how it is so man anytime you want to be on the show
we'll work it out we'll work around each other's schedules so definitely definitely cool we'll have
you on as often as we can so i'm good that's going to be it now i know it's been a while but you do
remember how we closed the show out right oh man i completely forgot oh no oh well it's not
everything is all it doesn't begin with everything's always it's okay it's the other catchphrase
and that is that we will see everybody next week same hack time same hack channel
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it's such a feeling that the light
it's not me but i'm fucking pissed off man it's easy and nobody's there
you're thinking i'm heavy
let me choke your man i want to choke your man
i want to choke your man and when i punch you i feel happy
And say, it's such a feeling that the light
Let it rain, let it rain, let it rain
And you, you're holding
I won't take your glass
Why I never want it
I want to choke your man
And when I put you, I feel happy
It's just a blowing of your blood
You can't hide, you can't hide, you can't hide
And you, you're holding
I won't take your fucking lamp
Now hold it, never hold it
I want to choke your man
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Ok, let's go
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