This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreampacks
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
And a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
At NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Cereal codes, source codes, ISO, RAM, SIP, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Check, check, one, two, one, two
This is Stank Dog on the microphone
And you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio Episode 62
Coming to you pseudo-live on September 14, 2004
I am going to try to cut back on the foul language
As I always do and never succeed at
And to help me in that today is a first time
Am I correct?
First time co-host on Binary Revolution Radio
That's correct
Sub-Zero
Welcome to the show
What's happening?
And more importantly
Let's just get this out of the way up front
Welcome to DDP
Thank you, thank you
We said last week we had a couple new people joining
Had some roster changes
Now you know
If you didn't already figure it out already
From the forums and some other things
That Sub-Zero is going to be joining up with us
Working on some projects
So we're definitely happy
Glad to have them on board
And to start with
Why don't you help me co-host the show tonight
How's that?
Sounds good
If you would have said no
I would have been screwed
Oh, wait a minute
No, screwed doesn't count as a bad word, does it?
No, no, it's good, it's good
Actually, you know what?
When they do that on FM
He's probably going to bleep that out
Screwed?
You know what?
I'm going to
Let's do a test
Okay, this is
This is probably terrible radio
For the internet listeners
But
Now forget them anyhow
Since they're playing this on FM radio
Now on some channels
And I gave them permission to bleep it out
Let's test and see what gets bleeped out here
Screwed
Um
Cock snot
Um
Twat
I have no idea what I can and can't say
I think
I think there's only like
Four words that you can't say
I think it's like
Bitch
Ass
Um
But it's all about context
And what they determine is vulgar or obscene
I mean you can
They'll bleep it out if you talk about
You know
Oh I was
I was totally
Headbanging with this chick last night
If you're some kind of inference to sex
If you just
It's the
The illusion of
What you're trying to allude to
Is considered
Quote
Indecent
That's the only definition
Is the quote
Indecent
That's
Anything could be indecent
You could be like
Man I was a
Man I was really lamping my wife last night
Yeah exactly
I was giving this chick the bone dance
Yeah
All of this is going to get bleeped on FM radio
I
I would bet
I'm going to ask
You know what
I'm going to start getting some of the
The bleeped versions
After they've been bleeped
And listen back
And hear how much of it
Got bleeped out
And how terrible the show is on FM
I can just see it now
The first like
Two minutes that we just did
Is all bleeped
It'll be funny for me to listen back to though
And that's all that really matters
Now isn't it
Exactly
Okay no that's a joke
Actually
What matters is you
Our wonderful listening audience
Out on the interweb
The global interweb
So
Let's concentrate on them
Let's get back to our normal format of the show
I'm through playing around
What about
What about just a simple word like
Butthole
Can I say that
I mean that's not really really bad
It's not a good visual
Don't get me wrong
It's not something you know
No because
Like Beavis and Butthead
I always used to say butthole
So
No they said bunghole
Oh they said
And plus that wasn't the airwaves
That was the
That was cable TV
Kind of a different animal
Anyway
Oh let's anyway
Let's get to the housekeeping
Actually that's going to be really fun to hear that
How that comes out
I don't know what
What you can
The whole seven dirty words
You can't say
That's all a big myth
Yeah because it's more than seven
Yeah it's
Well it's not even
It's not even that there's a list of words
It's not a list of words at all
It's all about simply
Whether or not it's indecent
Now they can choose
Any words or any context
Or whatever
To be indecent whatsoever
Even if you don't use any bad words
So it's not the individual words themselves
It's the way you use them
Right
So yeah
I mean there are some words
I'm sure that are automatically bleeped
And stuff
But still
So yeah
There have been changes
To those laws lately
That let them
Really start handing out
Big time fines
Which
You know what
I'm going to back off this
Because I feel myself
Getting pulled into a free speech rant
And I don't even want to go there
So I'm just going to back off
Let's take care of some housekeeping
Let's do that
Alright alright
That'll keep me on the straight and narrow
We can do that later
Yeah see I can say straight and narrow like that
I'm going to stay on the straight and narrow
And follow the show
But if I said
I was
I was with this chick last night
And I gave her the straight and narrow
If you know what I'm saying
Then
I bet you that gets bleeped out
The same exact phrase
Probably got beeped out
For the connotation
That I just put to it
Anyway
Alright no
This time I'm seriously
Done with this
Okay
Let's talk about the gallery
Alright
Having some issues with the gallery lately
So
Right now the gallery is temporarily offline
Well it's not really
It's not really offline
It's just
Locked down right now
Because
Well
You know
I hate this
I
When we put the gallery up
From day one
We intentionally
Left the thing wide open
As far as
The ability to upload things
Anybody coming by
Could anonymously upload
To the gallery
Now
Anonymously
As far as
We don't require
Any registration
Or accounts to be created
And stuff like that
So we allowed people
To upload anonymously
Because
Well for obvious reasons
They have a right to privacy
We don't want to
You know
If they want to put something up
And not be tied to them
I wanted to give people that option
So
We've always made sure
That the software is up to date
There's no vulnerabilities
You know
That's going to hurt the system
Or anything like that
However
We do give people the ability
To anonymously post pictures
Create galleries
Etc
Well
I kind of counted on
The hacker ethic
For people to just use it
And not be complete jerks
But
Yeah
That
Doesn't work out all the time
So
Some
Hacksaw wannabe
Thought that he could be cool
By hacksawing the gallery
By creating a bunch of
Galleries in there
And naming them
And moving them around
And not only that
But
When you upload something anonymously
The user that gets assigned to that
From the software
Is everyone
Now
And it's not a problem so much
With the software itself
It's just
The nature of the way we set it up
We wanted people to be able
To upload anonymously
We knew all along
That sure
People could come in
And delete it if need be
We knew that from the front get go
And we allowed it
But people have
Come in now
When you create something anonymously
It gets created as user everyone
Yeah
Well that means another
Anonymous user
Can come behind you
And delete that picture
That you just put up
Or modify it
Or change it
Or whatever they want to do
Because nobody
Owns it
There's no user assigned to it
Yeah
So
I'm actually kind of proud
Because it went for a good year or so
Before people started messing with it
We had a lot of pictures up there
Just random shit too
Yeah
And there's a lot of really cool stuff
A lot of funny stuff
But
You know
People started uploading
These nasty
Disgusting pictures into it
Which is not
You know
It's a hacker's gallery
It's not a
Gross
Disgusting
Rotten.com gallery
So
That I wasn't too
Thrilled with
And people just
Like I said
Just
They hacksored it
Yeah
Thinking they're
Yeah
They're elite hacksores
I like how they put that up
On their website
I won't mention the website
Yeah
I like how they put that up
On their website
Saying that they
Hacked it
Or formed
Oh they did
Yeah
They threw it up on
On their website
Saying that they
Hacked it our forums
And that
The forums
It's not
I mean
The galleries
Yeah
In the meanwhile
They don't realize
That in our forums
We're sitting there
Laughing at them
Yeah
They obviously don't read
Yeah
Well they're in South Africa
What do you do
Anyway
Yeah so
The gallery is up
Don't get me wrong
It's just
Right now
It's locked down
Until we can go through
And give
Ownership
To some of the files
Because like I said
You know what
See here's the thing
That I don't like about this
It's not so much
That they did it
We knew the possibility exists
But you know what
Just because
You have the
Authority to be a dick
Doesn't make you a hacker
Exactly
You know
Nobody hacked anything
It's like
You came to the site
You
Deleted something
That was publicly
Deletable
Where did you hack
Where did you do anything
Other than just be a dick
I mean am I
Oh crap
We're on the
They're gonna bleep that out too
Other than be a complete jerk
Is what I meant to say
Yeah
Well
You just gotta laugh
I do
And we're all laughing at them
In the forums
And we're watching it happen
I finally said
You know what
I gotta lock it
Because
You know
I don't want to
Deleting everybody's pictures
And stuff
So
Yeah
So I don't know
And the thing is
I don't know if I had the time
To babysit it otherwise
So I went through
And changed ownership
On the galleries themselves
But I don't have time
To go through
And change all the pictures
So I don't know
What the future
Of the gallery is
I don't know
If we're gonna bring that
Back up or not
I guess
I mean
Email us
If you really think
That you want to
Keep that around
I mean
Some people used it
Others didn't
I really don't know
What the future of that is
So
I think you should
Maybe just like
Keep one gallery
That's open for uploads
And then from there
We can like
Decide what pictures
Get
Like I guess
Officially added to the gallery
Yeah
Initially
That's what I did
Before I locked it down
I locked all the galleries
Except for the one
That's for uploading avatars
And SIG files
And stuff like that
And I was gonna leave
One open in the personal section
For people to create
Their own personal galleries
But
Each individual picture
Has to be gone through
And there's a lot of pictures
Out there
Yeah
And each one of those pictures
That was uploaded anonymously
Over the past year
Has a user of everyone
So that means
Everyone or anyone
Can come through
And deleted their changes
So
I just don't have the time
To go through
Every single one of those
Right now
So
Maybe that's a project
For somebody
That's bored out there
Yeah
Hey
If somebody wants to
Get involved in it
Let me know
Maybe we can work
Something out
But
Until further noticed
It's down
No more registration
You know
People are trying to
Get their passwords
Trying to create new accounts
It's read only right now
So you can still
View all the pictures
From Hope
And view all the other
Stuff that's up there
All the avatars
And SIG files
That are there
Should still be working fine
In your
In the forum
SIG files
Etc etc
So
Still working
But it's just
I don't know
What's going to happen
With it
Also in housekeeping
We have
Well
I mentioned before
I had a little
Little tiny hurricane
Situation to deal with
Down here
So
Magazine orders
Have fallen behind
Just a tad bit
But
By the time
We're airing
This episode
I will have
Shipped everything out
So just give it
An extra week or so
Not only did I lose
Like four or five days
Because of the hurricane
After the hurricane
Today was the first time
I saw the mail
Coming again
So don't let them
Fool you with that
That mess about
Rain through sleet
Through snow and hail
Let me tell you what
A hurricane will
Damn well stop
The U.S. mail
It absolutely did
At least slowed it
I think I saw him
Like come through
Once in the past
Last week
And then
Came back today
Like catching up
And I guess
They'll be back
Maybe they're starting
Back this week
Regularly
But
There you go
Just not pay your bills
And say you lost
In the hurricane
Yeah exactly
Exactly
So yeah
Give it an extra week
Or so
More than usual
So
Bear with us
A little bit on that
And
Let's go into
A couple emails
Here
Let's play our
Theme music
Yeah
Da da da da da
Okay
Now
First email tonight
We've just got a couple
Short ones
We're going to have
Plenty of time to talk
About our main topic
Later on
Which is
Law
Law as it relates
To hackers
And kind of
Some law in general
But
Got a couple emails
To go through first
First one
Comes from
Someone with
Sent from their
Real name
Which of course
We don't read
On the air
Who says
Hi Stank Dog
Been listening
To the radio show
Good stuff
Keep it up
Just heard an ep
Which finished
With some bland music
Unfortunately
His website
Is no more
Do you know
Anywhere
I can get
His music
Maybe a
Contact
Address
Etc
Later
I can almost
Tell you
For certainty
That he won't
Mind putting
His music
Back up
I haven't
Spoken to him
Since last week
After the hurricane
I will contact him
Just to make sure
Like I said
I'm positive
He wouldn't care
And we'll put it
Up somewhere
I don't know
Where
We'll put it up
On our site
Somebody will
Mirror it
Maybe we'll get
Nick or somebody
To put it on
Umap.binrev.com
We'll put it up
Somewhere and post
A link in the
Forms to where
It's at
As far as
Forwarding information
Bland is off
The grid
Bland has no
Forwarding information
But I'm sure
He'll be happy
To share his music
I know he's
Going to be
Spending some more
Time working on
His music I believe
So if we get
Anything new from
Him we'll pass it
On to the listeners
Sounds good
Okay
Now
Email number
Two
From Austin
Who's been a
Long time listener
Not only of
Binary Revolution
Radio but of
RFA
Which I know
He was a real
Big fan of
RFA
And he says
Glad to hear
EPS 61
And that the
Hurricanes can be
Outlived
There's a great
Meeting
It was great
Excuse me
It was great
Meeting everyone
At Hope
And listening to
The AS400
Presentation
Now I know
What all those
Screens are
When I stumble
Upon those
Systems
Stumble upon
Yes
Good choice
Of words
Yeah again
Thank you for
Your concern
I got quite a
Few emails
Which I really
Sincerely appreciate
People know
Them in South
Florida
And know that
That thing came
Right up my
Tailpipe
Does that get
Bleeped
Anyway
And Ivan
It looks like
Has missed me
So I'm not
Getting hit with
That one
Two Cat5s
Back to back
Would have
Really really
Been crummy
So Ivan
Has moved off
And it's
Someone else's
Problem now
So thank you
For that
And as far
As the AS400
I just wanted
To use this
As a
To mention
On the air
That I do
Still plan to
Put my AS400
Presentation online
Of course I
Gave an AS400
Presentation at
Hope a couple
Months ago
Which turned out
Good
Awesome
Oh wow
It had a lot
Of videos in it
Had a lot of
Videos embedded
Into the
Presentation itself
Because it's
Kind of difficult
To
Anyway I won't
Rehash why I
Put videos in it
But the video
Files obviously
Are pretty large
I remember you
Sitting
You coming up
To me like
A couple hours
Before you went
On you're just
Like dead
Tight
You're like
I didn't
Sleep last night
Yeah I was
I was balls to
The wall all
Weekend
Wait a minute
Basketballs I
Meant
I'm changing
The context
I was
Basketballs
To the wall
I was
Yeah whatever
Just forget
They're going to
Bleep whatever
They're going to
Bleep I don't
Know what to
Do about it
Anyway
Yeah I was
Worn out
Putting that
Together but
It's got a lot
Of embedded
Videos they can
Be really large
And I'm just
Basically it's
Been real tricky
To kind of
Manipulate it
And get it to
A manageable
Size and
You know I
Got to think
About bandwidth
Et cetera
So I am
Working on it
It's still on
My laptop
I just haven't
Had time to
Package it up
Nice and cleanly
And zip it
And get it
To some kind
Of you know
Manageable format
Yeah
So even though I
Didn't really ask
That directly
I thought I'd
Use that letter
As a launching
Point to mention
That I had not
Forgotten about it
Okay and our
Final and this
Is a really cool
Email our final
Email was from
Bovine theses
Who says and I
Did get his
Permission before I
Would read this on
The air
Who says I just
Wanted to let you
Know that I am
About to complete
Police training to
Be a cop here in
My home state I
Currently work as
A private investigator
And find the
Hacker community to
Be a great source
Of info as well
As kinship I
Thought you might
Like to know that
Fans of your site
And show are
Actually quite well
Represented among
Those I know in
Law enforcement of
Course there are
Those who just
Don't get it never
Will but as for
Myself I thank you
For preserving some
Of our most important
Rights the freedom
Of speech and the
Pursuit of happiness
A.K.A. our thirst
For knowledge and
Betterment of
Ourselves
Which is what
It's all about
Yeah
It really is
Corniness aside
It's all it's
About man
It's all about
Learning
It's making
Yourself better
It's just
We do have a
Right to pursuit
Of happiness in
This country no
Matter what people
Say I mean it's
Just that simple
And it
I don't know
I thought it was
Interesting how he
Mentioned that there
Is a fellow law
Enforcement agency
That he knows
That listen to the
Show
Yeah and you
Know what I've
First of all we
Know that there's
Some crossover
With with the
Different law
Enforcement like
For example I
Mean lucky 225 can
Tell us you know
That we're we're
Definitely are
Followed closely by
By these private
Investigator and
Private investigation
Agencies and stuff
They use a lot of
Techniques that a
Lot of us have
Found in their line
Of work and
Business so of
Course they you
Know are pretty
Supportive of us
For the most part
Yeah
I've gotten emails
From people in the
Military people in
Law enforcement
Government sites
I mean I sent copies
Of the magazine to
Iraq
Nice
You know I sent
Copies of the magazine
To soldiers that are
On the front lines
In war you know
So we are well
Represented in places
That people would be
Shocked and surprised
At you know I have
Sent magazines and
Gotten emails and
Communicated with people
And it's really really
A good feeling to know
That that they're out
There there are people
In surprising places
That are open-minded
Intelligent and get it
You know they absolutely
They really just get
That it's just about the
Pure knowledge and
Understanding and the
Testing and theorizing
And what if
Yeah
What if
That's like a hacker's
Favorite word
What if
You know
Yeah
And you either get it
Or you don't
You know there's always
People that don't get it
But you know
I hope
I try to keep hope
That there are more
People that do
I honestly was amazed
Like when I was at
Hope
Because I was selling
The magazines for
MinRev
And I was honestly
Amazed at the amount
Of people that came up
To like me
And like either
Recognize my name
From the forums
Or like recognize
MinRev
And like they were
Just asking
They're like
Hey what's that
You know the article
What magazine is this one
And stuff like that
I was honestly
Very shocked about that
I didn't know exactly
How far the reach was
Until I talked to
Like half the people
At Hope
And they knew
MinRev
Yeah
And you know
Same thing with me
I didn't
I
I met so many
Cool people
That are like
Hey I'm so and so
From this forum
Or I sent you
This email
Or oh I'm the guy
That you know
It's like
Oh yeah
I remember that
Thanks for that
Oh yeah
I love that email
Oh yeah
Thank you for sending
You know
All these people
That you put a face
To the name
And it was just like
Yeah it was really cool
It was really cool
So again
Some of these
You know
Like
These private investigators
These government agencies
Stuff like that
We're not
Probably not going to be
Ever
Be able to ever
Put a face
To those names
However
It's still good
To know that
They're out there
You know
I think that's really cool
And there's a background
To anybody that
Is thinking about doing
You know
Something like
Private investigating
Or
In that area
Of field
It's always good
To have like
Even basic
You know
Knowledge of
Phone freaking
Or you know
Basic hacking
You never know
When it'll come up
Yeah absolutely
And you know
Studying criminal justice
And studying law
Which is going to be
Our topic
As we'll kind of
Segway here a little bit
Is
Very very
Closely associated
With hacking
For some obvious reasons
And some not so obvious reasons
But before we move on
To that too much
Let's close up the mail
Back here
And let's go into
The personal hacking stories
Here
The show and tell
As I like to refer to it
Just real quickly
Because
I want to
Again
I mean
I'm still getting emails
Of people
You know
Worrying about
Whether I'm going to get hit
By Ivan
And stuff like that
And I really
Sincerely appreciate that
The only thing
That I was without power
For a couple days
Internet
Blah blah
I talked about that
The only other
Bad thing
That came out of it
Since last episode
Was that
It's
I don't mind
I've said this before
That I work at a university
And
We were supposed to
Register students
While the hurricane
Was coming
Or when the hurricane
Came I should say
The first one
Francis that is
So
Obviously
We had to
Bump things back
Because of that
Well we can't
Really bump it back
A whole lot
Especially for like
Shortened semesters
Half semesters
Kids that take
Night class
Excuse me
People
Not necessarily kids
Students who take
Night classes
That are accelerated
If it's only like
An eight week course
We basically lost
Like two weeks
Because of the hurricane
So we ended up
Basically having to
Work all weekend
So we did our
Registration
Kids had to come in
Darn it
I don't say
Students had to come in
I'm so old
You know what
It's just
I'm just so old
I can't
That's how you know
You're old
When you say that
It's not meant to be
Derogatory
But it's like
I must really be old
Oh man
Hey I say kids
All the time even
And I'm still in college
Yeah
I don't
Oh I just say it
Way too much
Ugh
Anyway
Students that are
Taking eight
These eight
Eight week
Classes
Have lost two weeks
So we had to hurry up
And get this thing
Registered for they lost
Too many more
So I spent my weekend
Working unfortunately
Which really put a
Damper on some of the
Projects that I've been
Working on
There were some that I
Really hoped to iron out
Over the weekend
But I come home from work
Exhausted and try to get
Some sleep
And just catching up on
General day to day
Web mastering
If you will
You know
Updating pages
Checking forums
Checking email
Writing show notes
Etc
Just the day to day stuff
Already fills up my time
If I don't get my
Weekends
I don't get any
Progress done on
The magazine
The radio server
The radio show
Other projects
That we're working on
And I'll just mention
Somewhat briefly
As a little bit of a
Teaser
We do have
Two projects in
Particular that are
Going to be coming up
Really really soon
One of them is
Hopefully
I don't know if
They'll publish it
In this issue
Or if at all
But one of them
Is tied closely to
An article I submitted
The 2600
So I'm going to
Hold off probably
Until the next issue
Comes out
If they used it
Then we'll probably
Launch that very soon
Thereafter
Because they'll go
Hand in hand
They're pretty closely
Related
And even if they
Don't use it
We'll probably launch
That project soon
Anyway
Again I can't
Quite give it away
Yet
I know people
Hate to hear me
Teasing
And I'll tease again
Unfortunately
We have one other
Project that
Is kind of
You know
An information exchange
And I'll just
Kind of leave it
At that I guess
It's just going to
Be a way to
Share and learn
And that one
Will be up pretty soon
I've already installed
It's going to be
Wiki based
As much as I hate
The word wiki
And I just
I don't even like
Saying it
It just sounds so
I think we just
Need to come up
With a new name for it
Yeah
It's just
I don't
Once it's up
I'm just going to
Refer to it by the
Site name
And if those are
Really
Those really industrious
Among you
Can go out
And figure that out
Really
I don't know
If you can figure out
From the name
What it will be though
Yeah
I'm not sure about that
But you might be able
To find it
If you're industrious enough
It'll be good
And
That's really
Again
I wish I would have
Gotten
Some
Some more done on them
So I could give you
More than just a teaser
Actually can announce something
But
In due time
We'll announce them
You know
Hopefully within the next
Couple weeks
Week or so
If I get my weekends back
And
Oh
You know what else
I didn't even think about
I should probably mention
I might go into this detail
More next week
But
I've confirmed
That I'm going to
Freaknik
In Nashville
That's going to be
The weekend of
October 22nd
That Friday
In Nashville
Tennessee
So I will be at
Freaknik
If anybody's going
By all means
We can
Hook up there
So email me
Let me know
If you're going to be
Making that
And
That's really
It for me
Basically
I just announced
What I haven't done
This week
So why don't
Let me turn it over to you
And talk about
What you have done
I know you're working
On some projects
As well
That we
Can't announce
But
You can definitely
Talk about
Geek Love Radio
Am I correct?
That's correct
Basically
I don't know
If some of you
On the forums
Or not
Know DJ Mollisk
Me and him
Basically
Have put together
A radio show
And Geek Love Radio
It's called
And
It airs on
Monday nights
By the time
You listen to this
You'll probably
Have to listen
To the next episode
Which will be
The 20th
Of this month
And
We just basically
Go through
Love issues
Relationship issues
We've seen a lot of
I guess issues
Arise on the
Forums of like
You know
People pissed off
At their
Girlfriends or
Boyfriends or
Whatever
And
It's just a
I think it's
Just a good
Way to
Talk about
Something new
You know
Something new
To talk about
Not
The same old
Geek and tech
Hacking
Sort of show
But we add
A little twist
To it
Gotcha
And
That's Monday
Nights right
Yeah
Monday nights
At 10
Central
So that would
Be 11
Eastern
And
8
Pacific
Okay
And that's
That's live
It's live
Yes
Do the show
Live
And they can
Of course
Go to
Geeklove
Radio.com
Geeklove
Radio.com
And we have
Every week
We update the site
We have
Listener pictures
If you want to
Submit your pictures
Oh come on
Is that really
Your listener pictures
Yeah
The people that
Have submitted
The pictures so far
Are real
Listener pictures
There's some girls
On there
That have submitted
Pictures that I know
And some
Other friends
And stuff
And I mean
It's just
We're going to have
Webcam
Hopefully live
In the near future
Once we get
Some servers set up
Are you going to
Have chick sores
In the studio
Yeah
We were going to
Have one tonight
But unfortunately
She didn't show up
So
Yeah
Man
Yeah but in the future
We will have
A chick sores
Show up
And it's going to
It's pretty big
We were actually
Surprised
We released the show
A week ago
Today
Or a week ago
Yeah basically today
When you guys
Are hearing this
And since then
We've had about
Like 250 downloads
And we really haven't
I guess advertised much
And that kind of
Surprised us
So
Once we get that going
And once we
Get published
In some local
Newspapers
And around the area
We're going to get
Some pretty big hits
Very cool
Yeah
Very cool
Anything else
You want to
Pimp out
The mic's all yours
Um
It's nothing
That I can talk about
Right now I guess
How about
Projects but
How's school
We can save this
How's classes
Everything's good
Photography
I was talking
To Stank earlier
That's going pretty good
Um
Uh you know
Digital
Photography
And everything like that
That's my area
Expertise
If anybody didn't know
Are you
You're planning on
Opening up your own
Porn site
Is that what that's
All about
Ha no
Although
I guess it would be
Pretty good money
Probably
But no
It's
Basically right now
I'm just dealing
With graphic design
And
Working on that
Right now
Very cool
Interesting but
Yeah
Yep
And I
Guess it's not
Too big of a teaser
To say that
Some of the projects
You might be working on
For us
Will be graphical
In nature
Yes
That would be correct
Maybe more
Hands on with
Some of our
Existing projects
But anyway
You know what
Let's
Make sure we have
Plenty of time here
Let's go into
The main topic
Because
You and I
Have something else
In common
And that is that
We have both
Studied law
At least a little bit
I don't have a law
Degree or anything
But
I've taken several
Law classes
And I believe
You have as well
Yeah I was a
Pre-law major
Actually before
I started doing
Graphic design
So
I had the whole
Mock trial experience
I had the whole
Listening to law professors
And everything
Ran about
Their speeches
So I got
My finger dipped
In it pretty well
Yeah
I got
I don't know
One
There's some things
I did like about law
And some things
I did not
Well I tell you what
Let's just
Let's just start off
Very simply
And very generally
And just talk about
When you say law
That's a very broad term
We're talking about
The legal system
Laws that are passed
Acts
Whether they're
Federal level
State level
Etc
And
Why is that important
To the listener
This is a technology show
This is a show
About hacking
This is
You know we talk
About exploits
And kernel errors
And bugs
And stuff like that
You know why are we
Talking about law
On this show
Why is it important
To a hacker
I think
That's kind of obvious
In some cases
Especially recently
Without going into details
Well
Like one of the
Biggest
I guess right now
When I was talking
To my
Law advisor
Before
One of the biggest
Areas in law
That has been
Expanding
Is cyber law
And just for the fact
That there are
No written
Standardized rules
For the internet
Just because
It's so massive
Absolutely
It's um
You know we've said
How many times
It's a borderless society
Yeah
You know it's a whole
World in and of itself
The global interweb
Exactly
The internet
And
That causes problems
In the legal system
For multiple
Multiple reasons
One of the primary ones
Is establishing
Jurisdiction
Oh yeah
That's one of the
Hardest things
And one of the things
That the internet
Really throws a monkey
Wrench into the
Whole legal system
Jurisdiction is
Incredibly important
In law
Yes
And
Let's take
Let's take the internet
Out of the equation
For just a minute
Law in general
And jurisdiction
And what that means
Jurisdiction is basically
Where
Prosecution
Or where
Legal proceedings
Are to take place
The relevance
Of where
Events happen
And where
Cases
Can be tried
And where
Prosecutions
Can be made
And where
They should be made
Yep
Ideally
The word
Should
Is
The proper
Word to use there
But
Unfortunately
The word
Could
Is the one
That really
Takes over
And it all
Depends on
The severity
Of the crime
Too
Right
And absolutely
Like
You know
Basically
There's something
Let's see
There's something
Called a long
Arm statute
And
I don't want
To throw a bunch
Of legal
Ease at you
And a bunch
Of terminology
Because we all
Hate to read
Contracts
And licensing
Agreements
And all that
Kind of stuff
It's so
Legal mumbo
Jumbo
That you get
Bored
But there's
A couple
Words I want
To explain
Long arm
Statute
And that's
Important to
Jurisdiction
Because that
Basically
Establishes
A point of
Presence
In certain
Places
Where actions
Take place
For example
Let's say
I pick up
The phone
And order
Something
From a
Catalog
I order
A
I don't
Know
A new
Router
From a
Company
That exists
In california
Now me
Being in
Florida
Them being
In california
The question
Arises
A question
Of jurisdiction
Where
Does something
Take place
Where
Let's say
That
I send
Them my
Money
And they
Send me
A big
Box
Full of
Horse
Crap
Yeah
Where do
I sue
These people
At
They're in
California
I'm in
Florida
Do I
Contact a
Florida
Court
Do I
Contact a
California
Court
Do I
Contact
It was a
Transmission
Over the
Telephone
Do I
Contact the
FCC
Do I
Contact
Who has
Jurisdiction
In this
Kind of
Situation
And there
Are statutes
In place
That try
To establish
That
What ends
Up happening
Is again
It depends
On the
Case
Let's
Flip the
Script
Let's say
They ship
Me my
Router
And I
Don't
Give
Them
Any
Money
They're
Going
To
Try
To
Prosecute
Me
They're
Going
To
Try
To
Come
After
Me
For
Their
Money
In the
Best
And
Easiest
Way
For
Them
Now
If I
Live
In
Florida
Certainly
They
Don't
Want to
Have
To
Come
All
The
Way
To
Florida
To
Try
To
Press
Charges
Against
Me
And
Take
Me
To
Florida
Small
Claims
Court
Because
That
Would
Cost
Them
More
In
Airfare
To
Send
Somebody
Out
Here
To
And
They
Can
Actually
Make
Me
Be
The
One
That
Has
To
Fly
Out
There
To
Defend
Myself
Yeah
You
Know
A lot
Of
Factors
Come
Into
Play
I'm
Definitely
Oversimplifying
It
But
I
Just
Want
To
Establish
Jurisdiction
How
Important
It
Is
I
Mean
A
Lot
Of
This
Gets
Headed
Into
Because
Like
Ebay
Stuff
Too
A
Lot
Of
People
Get
Screwed
Over
With
That
Right
And
That
Again
We
Took
It
Away
From
The
Internet
To
Explain
Generally
What
It
Is
But
Yes
Taking
It
Back
To
The
Internet
You
Can
See
How
It
Becomes
Further
Muddied
Because
Of
That
Ebay
Is
A
Great
Example
Because
You
Never
Know
Where
The
People
Are
On
That
Or
If
They're
Even
Real
Or
Just
Somebody
Created
A
New
Account
That's
Why
It's
Really
Important
Account
To
Account
They
Just
Use
Their
Other
Accounts
To
Give
Them
Praise
They're
Fake
Yeah
You
Know
You
Want to
Find
People
That
Are
Credible
And
Established
See
What
Their
Return
Policies
Are
Things
Like
That
Just
To
Some
Side
Advice
There
Since
You
Brought
Up
Ebay
But
Not
Only
That
But
Any
Site
Online
And
We're
Also
Not
Talking
About
Just
Things
Like
Fraud
Where
You
Order
Something
And
Don't
Pay
Or
They
Don't
Deliver
Or
Somebody
Gets
Your
Credit
Card
And
Charges
You
Too
Much
Or
Over
Charges
You
Or
Return
You
Know
Not
Only
Stuff
Like
That
But
Also
Criminal
Cases
Criminal
Issues
That
May
Arise
Yeah
I
Mean
Like
Example
Like
Child
Pornography
I
Mean
Area
That's
Crossing
An
Even
Bigger
Jurisdictional
Line
Because
Then
You're
Going
Into
Federal
Jurisdiction
Yeah
That's
True
And
That
Trumps
Everything
Else
Okay
So
Before
We
Go
There
Let's
Again
Like
I
Mentioned
Before
Which
Is
More
Which
Is
Easier
And
Better
For
To
Be
Prosecuted
Than
The
Situation
I
Explained
Florida
Versus
California
When
You
Go
Online
You
Add
This
Whole
Other
Thing
In
There
Where
Somebody
Can
Claim
Listen
I
Bought
This
From
An
Online
Site
I
Shouldn't
Be
Forced
To
Go
To
California
To
Defend
Myself
Or
Something
Like
That
Because
I
Didn't
Order
From
California
I
Ordered
From
A
Website
And
That
Website
May
Be
Hosted
Ironically
In
Florida
Which
Would
Really
Be
Funny
You
Know
Like
You
Know
Or
In
A
Colocated
Server
In
Detroit
Michigan
Or
Dallas
Texas
Or
San
Francisco
Well
It
Isn't
Cal
You
Know
What
I
Mean
You
Know
So
That
Really
So
Now
You've
Got
A
Third
Point
Of
Presence
In
There
Where
Does
Jurisdiction
Come
In
Where
Did
The
Action
Take
Place
Is
It
A
Federal
Thing
Since
It
Was
Purchased
Over
The
Phone
Lines
Through
The
Internet
See
All
Of
These
Questions
Come
Up
And
It's
Not
Something
That
We
Can
Sit
Here
And
Tell
You
On
The
Air
In
A
Radio
Show
This
Is
Who
Gets
Jurisdiction
Because
It's
Not
That
Simple
Yeah
And
Honestly
Laws
Have
Not
Been
Created
For
The
Most
Part
Yet
That
Would
Decide
Most
Cases
There's
No
President
Cases
They're
Being
Made
Up
As
They
Go
And
They're
Being
Fucked
Up
Oh
Darn it
I
Said
A
Bad
Word
They're
Being
Messed
Up
As
They
Law
Is
An
Attempt
First
Of
All
It's
A
Label
And
Trying
To
Establish
A
New
Branch
Of
Law
To
Answer
These
Type
Of
Questions
And
Not
Just
Jurisdictional
You
Know
That's
Just
One
Of
The
Biggest
Most
Complex
Issues
Of
It
But
And
Again
Just
Before
We
Move
Off
Too
Much
As
You
Mentioned
Earlier
About
Federal
You
Know
Certain
Things
Child
Pornography
Fraud
Over
Certain
Amount
Certain
Dollar
Amounts
You
Know
Certain
Types
Of
Online
Attacks
Threats
Things
Like
That
National
Security
As
They
Define
It
Which
We
Won't
Even
Go
There
Again
But
There
Are
Certain
Cases
Of
Course
When
Federal
Jurisdiction
Steps
In
And
Says
No
California
Hands
Off
Florida
Hands
Off
Texas
Hands
Off
We'll
Take
Care
Of
This
One
Yeah
And
That's
Bad
News
You're
In
Bad
Shape
When
The
Feds
Get
In
A
Whole
Different
Ball
Game
Yeah
You know
Because
They
Only
Get
In
When
It's
Something
Big
Yeah
Something
Big
Now
Whether
Or
Not
It's
Actually
Warranted
There's
A
Whole
Different
Question
But
Usually
You're
Playing
A
Whole
Different
Much
More
Serious
Game
When
That
Happens
Yeah
So
Cyber
Law
Itself
Is
The
Term
That's
The
Buzzword
Now
There
Are
Classes
Being
Taught
On
Cyber
Law
And
As
Sub-Zero
Just
Mentioned
It's
Something
That's
Emerging
There's
No
Quote
Cyber
Laws
That
You
Know
That
Are
Written
There's
No
Law
That
Says
eBay
This
Is
How
This
Is
How
Problems
Will
Be
Handled
This
Is
How
Things
Will
Be
Mediated
If
There
Is
A
Dispute
On
eBay
Can
Make
Their
Own
Policies
And
Try
To
Enforce
That
Says
You
Must
Come
Here
And
You
Must
Go
There
And
You
Must
Keep
This
Information
On
Your
Users
And
You
Know
There's
No
Laws
That
Are
That
Are
Pinpointing
Things
Like
That
Yet
They
Are
Being
Written
They
Are
Being
Tested
They
Are
Being
What
What's
Actually
Happening
Unfortunately
Is
They're
Trying
To
Apply
Because
There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
A
Cyber
Law
Or
Cyber
Law
Yet
They're
Trying
To
Apply
These
Old
Laws
That
We've
Had
For
Years
To
The
Internet
So
Yeah
Go
Ahead
Please
I was
Just
Going
To
Say
I mean
Like
Because
There
Is
No
Certain
Law
That
Are
Set
Up
Like
For
The
Internet
A lot
Of
Times
Like
If
You
Browse
Online
I
Mean
You
Could
Go
To
A
German
Website
And
What
They
Have
There
Is
Totally
I
Mean
They
Could
Be
Selling
Weed
Or
Something
And
According
To
Our
Laws
We're
Not
Allowed
To
Purchase
It
Or
And
Consume
It
Or
Whatever
But
I
Mean
If
You're
In
Germany
Or
Whatever
Not
That
I
Know
If
Germany
Actually
Can
I
Don't
Know
If
They
Do
Either
But
For
This
Example
It's
Good
If
You're
There
I
Mean
Obviously
It's
Not
Against
The
Law
So
What
They
Have
Done
Is
They
Set
National
Or
Like
Even
State
Local
Laws
Like
If
You're
In
A
Local
Area
And
You're
Accessing
Say
Like
A
Website
And
You're
Under
18
And
You
Want
To
Go
Visit
A
Porn
Site
Like
Regionally
And
Locally
And
Statewide
Like
Those
Laws
Apply
To
An
Extent
I
Guess
And
That's
Kind
Of
One
Way
That
They
Been
I
Guess
Like
Trying
To
Enforce
Some
Sort
Of
Law
Online
Yeah
And
You
Know
There's
Again
Just
To
Throw
That
Jurisdiction
Monkey
Wrench
I'll
Give
You
A
What
If
And
You
Know
You
There's
No
Answer
To
A
What
If
Like
This
Let's
Say
You're
Going
To
Germany
Well
You
Know
Amsterdam
Isn't
That
The
One
That's
Famous
Where
You
Can
Where
Marijuana
Is
Legal
Yeah
Okay
Let's
Say
Amsterdam
Has
A
Website
Where
They
Sell
Marijuana
I
Don't
Know
If
That's
I
Don't
Know
If
It's
Legal
To
Sell
It
On
The
Internet
In
Amsterdam
They
Have
To
Have
Certain
Places
Or
Something
I
Don't
Know
I'm
Not
A
Big
I'm
Not
Into
That
Whole
Scene
But
Anyway
For
This
Example
Let's
Say
You
Order
It
Online
And
You
Have
It
Waiting
For
You
Or
You
Send
It
To
A
P.O.
Box
For
Your
Amsterdam
Vacation
Next
Week
You
Order
It
From
Your
House
In
New
York
City
Online
Have
It
Waiting
For
You
Delivered
Will
Call
Pick up
Whatever
However
That
Works
And
Then
Go
To
Amsterdam
Enjoy
Your
Fine
Weed
Or
Whatever
It
Is
That
You
Want
That's
Completely
Illegal
In
The
United
States
So
You
Have
It
There
On
Your
Vacation
And
Then
Come
Home
Were
Any
Laws
Broken
Because
You
Ordered
That
From
The
United
States
Where
It's
Technically
Illegal
But
You
Didn't
Have
It
Shipped
There
You
Didn't
Purchase
It
No
Money
May
Have
Changed
Hands
You
May
Have
Does
It
You
Know
There's
A
Difference
In
Law
The
Money
Changed
Hands
Because
You
Paid
With
Paypal
This
Is
A
This
Is
A
Silly
Example
Paypalling
Money
For
Drugs
To
Amsterdam
But
It's
The
Revolution
Yeah
You
Know
Paypalling
Money
To
Them
May
Make
It
A
Whole
Different
Animal
Than
If
You
Would
Have
Just
Reserved
It
And
Paid
Once
You
Got
There
Believe
It
Those
Could
Be
Two
Different
Things
Under
The
Law
The
Laws
Are
Very
Tightly
Written
Very
Anal
Retentive
In
The
Way
That
They
Work
Yeah
Well
Let's
Not
We're
Not
Condoning
That
We're
Not
Telling
People
Do
That
Let's
Be
Careful
Here
We're
Making
Up
Examples
Go
Buy
Weed
Or
Whatever
But
I'm
Saying
Some
Cases
To
Show
Yeah
Just
An
Example
It
Fluctuates
So
Much
On
What
You
Can
Or
Can't
Do
It's
Basically
If
Somebody
Wakes
Up
On
The
Wrong
Side
Of
The
Bed
And
They
Want
To
Be
An
Asshole
Or
Something
You're
Just
Screwed
Yeah
Well
Yeah
And
Let's
Move
On
A
Little
Bit
Jurisdiction
Is
A
Problem
And
That's
The
Long
And
Short
Of
It
So
Yes
Cyber
Law
Is
A
Developing
Branch
Of
Law
Where
They're
Trying
To
Basically
Define
And
Come
Up
With
Ways
To
Address
These
Type
Of
Situations
These
Type
Of
Issues
As
You
Can
Imagine
Just
From
Sitting
Here
Freestyling
It
We
Can
Come
Up
With
How
Many
Examples
Here
Just
Making
It
Up
And
You
Can
Imagine
How
Many
More
Unique
Situations
Arise
And
Zero
Percent
Of
Them
Have
Been
Addressed
Yet
So
That's
What's
Going
On
And
That's
Why
This
Is
A
Critical
Time
You
Know
That
We
Stay
Away
From
Politics
On
The
Show
As
Much
As
We
Can
But
When
It
Does
Relate
And
Is
Going
To
Directly
Affect
Us
I
Think
It's
Very
Important
To
Talk
About
Topics
Like
This
Law
And
How
It
Affects
Hackers
Cyber
Law
Is
Being
Developed
And
It's
Very
Important
For
Us
As
Hackers
To
Follow
It
And
Try
To
Help
Out
When
We
See
Something
Going
Wrong
Or
See
Something
Being
Misinterpreted
To
Kind
Of
Help
Laws
Be
Developed
You
Know
Don't
Fight
I
Mean
Fighting
Them
Yes
But
Don't
Try
To
Be
Productive
And
Let's
Try
To
Make
The
You
Know
Let's
Be
Involved
In
It
So
That's
The
Reason
We're
Talking
About
It
Now
The
Problem
Unfortunately
Is
Cyber
Law
As
I
Have
Studied
It
And
As
I
Have
Read
Many
Textbooks
On
Cyber
Law
Cyber
Law
Is
Well
Is
Very
Limited
Because
A
Because
It's
So
New
And
B
Because
The
Majority
Of
Quote
Cyber
Law
That
Is
Of
Interest
Right
Now
Is
All
Copyright
Law
Intellectual
Property
Law
Because
That
Is
The
Biggest
Headline
That
Is
The
Biggest
Concern
When
You
Think
Law
And
What
The
Internet
Is
Doing
As
Far
As
Law
The
First
Thing
That
Comes
Up
Is
Copyright
And
It
Now
You
Do
Study
Jurisdiction
You
Do
Study
Some
Criminal
Law
You
Study
Things
Like
The
DMCA
The
Patriot
Act
Touched
On
Somewhat
But
Obviously
These
Are
New
These
Have
Just
Been
Recently
Passed
And
You
Know
Textbooks
Can't
Keep
Up
With
The
Changing
Technology
We
All
Know
How
Technology
Changes
So
Quickly
Law
Is
Not
A
Flexible
It
Is
Not
Very
Liquid
It
Is
Not
Very
Flexible
In
It
Is
Ability
To
Change
Laws
Take
Forever
To
Be
Written
And
By
The
Time
You
Write
A
Law
For
Cyber
Something
Cyberspace
Related
Or
Internet
Related
The
Technology
Has
Changed
And
Things
Have
Shifted
So
It
Is
Really
Hard
For
Law
The
Law
Community
To
The
Legal
System
To
Keep
Up
With
The
Changes
Of
The
Internet
And
That
That's
A
Huge
How Our
Time
Is
I
Think
We
Might
Have
Time
To
Do
This
I
Mentioned
Yeah
We
Got
Plenty
Of
Time
I
Think
I'm
Going
To
Read
If
I
May
Here
I
Mentioned
Quite
A
While
Back
That
I
Was
Going
To
Read
Some
Questions
From
One
Of
My
Law
Exams
Unless
You
Had
Something
Else
You
Want
To
Add
Before
I
Will
Go
Into
Some
Reading
Here
I
I'll
Read
You
One
Of
My
Test
Questions
And
Then
And
Then
My
Answer
I'll
Tell
You
Up
Front
That
I
Got
An
A
On
This
Test
This
Is
The
Correct
Answer
And
It
Might
Make
You
Mad
It
Might
Be
A
Little
Confusing
But
Again
Let
Me
Preface
This
Question
By
Saying
That
Law
Is
Very
Anal
Retentive
There
There's
No
Really
Other
Way
To
Say
It
Law
Is
Very
Strict
And
You
Can
Think
Of
It
Like
Well
I
Tell
You
What
Let
Me
Just
Go
Let
Me
Just
Read
This
Question
And
Answer
And
Then
We'll
Touch
On
It
After
The
Fact
Okay
This
Is
One
This
Is
A
Question
From
My
First
Cyber
Law
Test
First
Few
Weeks
Of
Class
And
These
Are
All
Fictional
Names
But
I
Think
You
Will
It's
Pretty
Clear
Paul
A
Photographer
Has
Many
Copyrighted
Images
That
She
Licenses
To
People
For
Use
On
Their
Website
Softmark
Is
A
Company
That
Developed
A
Search
Engine
That
Displays
Results
In
The
Form
Of
Small
Pictures
A.K.A.
Thumbnails
Yeah
I think
We
Know
What
They're
Talking
About
Softmark
Included
35
Of
Alice's
Images
On
Its
Database
Without
Her
Permission
Visitors
To
The
Site
Could
Click
On
Thumbnails
Of
The
Images
And
View
Full
Sized
Images
From
Softmark
Site
Original
Photographs
Are
Definitely
Copyrightable
Material
So
There
Could
Be
Copyright
Infringement
Here
Actually
The
Question
Is
There
Copyright
Infringement
Here
That's
The
Question
As
It
Was
Worded
On
The
Exam
Yeah
So
My
Answer
And
Again
This
Is
I'm
Going
To
Throw
A
Lot
Of
Legal
E
So
I'll
Speak
Slowly
And
Original
Photographs
Are
Definitely
Copyrightable
Material
So
There
Could
Be
Copyright
Infringement
Here
And
Analyzing
The
Situation
For
Copyright
We
Must
Consider
Several
Things
This
Is
A
Test
Question
Answer
So
Bear
With
Me
On
The
Corniness
Of
The
Sentence
Structure
Here
First
We
Can
Eliminate
Obvious
Exceptions
Such
As
Text
Links
There
Are
However
Some
Things
That
Usually
Require
Permission
One
Of
These
Things
That
Applies
Here
Are
IMG
Or
Image
Links
That
Pull
Images
From
Another
Site
This
Is
Something
That
Normally
Requires
Expressed
Permission
From
The
Copyright
Holders
It
Must
Be
Determined
Whether
The
Use
Of
The
Photographs
Constitute
Copying
Or
Illicit
Copying
By
Definition
Now
And
Let
Me
Stop
My
Answer
Here
Illicit
Copying
Or
Illicit
Copying
By
Definition
By
Whose
Definition
By
What
Definition
By
The
Law
The
Law
Has
A
Definition
For
Every
One
Of
Their
Terms
So
You
Can
Look
Up
And
See
What
They
Consider
Illicit
Copying
Or
Just
Plain
Copying
And
Compare
It
And
See
If
It
Applies
To
The
Case
Which
Is
What
I
Said
About
Being
Very
Anal
Retentive
If
You
Look
At
It
And
It
Looks
And
Sounds
Like
Their
Definition
You're
In
Trouble
Yeah
Okay
So
To
Continue
My
Answer
A
Jury
Would
Most
Likely
Determine
That
This
Case
Shows
Substantial
Copying
Occurred
By
The
Definition
Now
When
I
Say
Copying
That
Seems
Like
An
Obvious
Sentence
But
I'm
Saying
That
To
Mean
Quote
Copying
As
Defined
By
The
Law
So
Yes
As
Defined
By
The
Law
A
Jury
Would
Most
Likely
Determine
That
This
Case
Shows
Substantial
Copying
Occurred
The
Images
Are
Clearly
Used
By
Softmark
Which
Is
The
Company
Or
Mentioned
Earlier
Which
I
Think
Rhymes
With
A
Company
Called
Boogle
And
There
Is
Little
To
A.K.A.
Google
They
Were
Clearly
Taken
From
The
Plaintiff
Site
Software
Had
Access
To
The
Original
Work
And
There
Were
Substantial
Similarities
The
Infringement
Here
Is
Defined
By
The
Reproduction
Right
The
Infringer
Softmark
Made
A
Partial
Or
Complete
Copy
On
Its
Website
So
Let
Me
Break
Here
Also
That
Paragraph
I
Tried
To
Make
It
As
English
Sounding
As
I
Could
But
There
Was
A
Lot
Of
Legal
Ease
In
That
Paragraph
I
Was
Explaining
Where
Each
Part
Of
The
Definition
Of
Copying
Was
Violated
The
Definition
Includes
For
Example
Having
Access
To
The
Original
Work
Okay
They
Did
Have
Access
Because
It's
A
Website
Correct
So
They
Had
Access
To
It
Were
There
Substantial
Similarities
If
They
Were
Exact
Duplicates
Of
Course
There
Were
Substantial
Similarities
You
Know
They
Were
By
Soft
Mark
So
These
Are
All
Definitions
I'm
Holding
Up
My
Fingers
I
Can't
See
That
In
The
Radio
But
You're
Going
Through
This
List
Of
The
Definition
Going
Did
It
Do
That
Yep
Did
That
Did
It
Do
This
Yep
It
Did
That
Did
It
That
And
You're
Finding
If
It
Fits
That
Definition
In
This
Case
It
Did
Now
I'll
Continue
There
Is
An
Exception
Clause
That
Fair
Or
Necessary
For
The
Progress
Of
Science
And
The
Useful
Arts
End
Quote
Now
That
Quote
Is
From
The
Law
That
Is
An
Exception
In
The
Law
Since
Soft
Mark
And
This
Is
Where
I
Have
Problems
With
Studying
Law
And
I'll
Explain
After
I
Finish
Since
Soft
Mark
Provides
A
Search
Engine
That
Provides
A
Useful
Search
I'm
Sorry
Search
I guess
That's
Poor
Wording
On
My
Part
Provides
A
Useful
Search
Engine
It
May
Be
All
Fair
Use
That
Is
Necessary
For
Progress
Of
The
Internet
A
Court
Would
Have
To
Determine
That
Okay
So
This
Is
My
Biggest
Problem
With
Law
We
Have
A
Definition
There
I
Read
You
The
Quote
There
Is
An
Exception
Yes
They
Met
All
The
Criteria
For
Copying
As
I
Mentioned
In
My
Previous
Paragraph
However
There
Is
Science
And
The
Useful
Arts
Who
Makes
That
Determination
So
You
Know
That
Is
What
Sucks
Because
Honestly
When
The
Law
When
You
Take
If
You're
In
Trouble
And
You're
In
The
Court
Room
And
You're
Like
Facing
A
Judge
It's
Basically
Up
To
The
Judge
To
Decide
You
Know
At
That
Point
In
Time
Whether
He
Likes
You
Or
Not
And
He's
Going
to
Read
The
Law
In
Your
Favor
Or
In
His
Favor
Or
In
The
Big
Corporation's
Favor
Yeah
And
It's
Basically
Up
At
That
Moment
In
Time
Like
That's
What
Judges
Are
Made
To
Do
Their
Job
Is
To
Interpret
The
Law
And
To
I
Guess
Give
It
Out
You
Know
Impartially
Yeah
Impartially
I
Guess
But
Sometimes
It's
Not
Very
Impartial
Exactly
Their
Job
Is
To
Impartially
Defend
Or
Define
The
Law
Apply
The
Laws
Right
So
You
Can
See
That
A
Judge
Is
A
Pretty
Powerful
Person
And
Guess
What
People
In
Case
You
Didn't
Already
Know
This
You
Vote
For
Them
Yeah
You're
The
One
That
Puts
Them
In
Office
So
If
You're
One
Of
Those
People
That
Only
Votes
For
The
Presidential
Election
And
You
Don't
Care
About
The
Rest
I
I'm
Not
Going
To
Get
On
Because
I
Didn't
Vote
For
Him
That
Doesn't
Work
Anyway
The
Rest
Of
My
Answer
So
A
Court
Would
Have
To
Determine
That
So
And
That's
The
Other
Thing
I
Don't
Like
In
Answering
This
Question
I
Didn't
Exactly
Answer
The
Question
I
Said
In
My
Opinion
Yes
There
Is
Progress
Of
The
Internet
By
Forming
The
Search
Engine
In
My
Opinion
But
A
Court
Would
Have
To
Make
The
Official
Determination
And
Then
I
Took
This
A
Little
Step
Further
If
Infringement
Is
Found
And
Remedies
Become
The
Question
The
Usual
First
Remedy
Is
To
Cease
And
Desist
Using
The
Copyright
Material
Immediately
In
The
Form
Of
An
In
This
I
Know
Our
Listeners
Have
Heard
A
Site
Gets
A
Threat
From
Disney
Saying
Take
This
Down
We
Are
Hereby
Saying
That
You
Are
Using
Our
Copyright
Material
Without
Permission
You
Get
A
Cease
And
Desist
Order
A
C
And
D
You
Know
I
Know
Everybody
Has
Heard
Of
That
Before
Yeah
I
Share
That
The
First
Step
Let
Me
See
Where
Was
I
Okay
Compensatory
Damages
Would
Then
Be
Considered
Actual
Damages
Are
Extremely
Difficult
To
Determine
In
Many
Cases
So
Statutory
Damages
Were
Established
Now
These
Are
Two
Different
Again
Definitions
Of
The
Law
Which
You
Have
To
Compare
If
The
Copyright
Was
Properly
Registered
The
Court
Can
Assign
500
To
$20,000
In
Compensatory
Damages
Since
The
Case
Does
Not
Establish
Whether
Copyright
Was
Properly
Registered
Before
The
Infringement
It
Is
Assumed
Willful
Infringement
Again
A
Definition
Willful
Infringement
May
Also
Carry
Further
Criminal
Penalties
This
Does
Not
Appear
To
Apply
Here
Now
This
Is
A
Search
Engine
It
Doesn't
Look
Like
They
Were
Intentionally
Taking
It
To
Try
To
Sell
This
Is
The
Difference
Between
If
Somebody
Puts
An
mp3
On
Their
Site
Because
It's
Their
Favorite
Band
Versus
Somebody
Who's
Trying
To
Write
Charge
You
Money
To
Download
MP3
From
Their
Site
You
See
The
Difference
Of
Crossing
A
Different
Line
Willful
Infringement
In
The
Law
Zine
So
Where
Was
I
Okay
The
Four
Factors
Of
Fair
Use
Appear
To
Be
Met
Here
Now
Again
Fair
Use
Is
The
Big
Buzzword
That
We're
All
Trying
To
Defend
On
The
Internet
In
Regards
To
Copyright
Law
They're
Trying
To
Take
Away
Fair
Use
Well
On
My
Answer
To
This
Question
I
Said
That
The
Four
Factors
Of
Fair
Use
Appear
To
Be
Met
Here
The
Infringement
Is
Not
For
The
Purpose
Of
A
Commercial
Nature
The
Copies
Do
Not
Compete
With
The
Original
Work
The
Amount
Of
Infringement
Appears
To
Be
Small
Only
Thirty
Five
Of
Plaintiff's
Works
Were
Copied
And
Use
Of
The
Copies
Were
For
An
Internet
Search
Engine
Which
Performs
A
Scientific
Use
For
The
Community
Although
Court
Would
Determine
That
So
That
That's
The
Answer
To
That
Question
Now
How
Would
The
Court
Find
Who
Would
Win
Who
Would
Lose
Who
Would
Be
Guilty
I
Have
No
Idea
And
That's
What
I
Hated
About
It
Yeah
It's
Up
To
The
Judge
Right
There
Right
Then
At
That
Moment
Depending
What
Size
Of
The
Bed
He
Woke
On
He
Woke
Up
And
He
Didn't
Get
His
Coffee
Or
You
Know
He
Didn't
Get
Some
Action
Or
Something
And
It's
Silly
Sounding
But
It's
Absolutely
True
I've
Seen
It
I've
Gone
To
Court
A
Lot
Because
I've
Interned
At
Like
Law
Offices
And
Done
That
Whole
Bit
And
It
I
Mean
Just
Seeing
Different
Judges
In
Different
Days
And
It's
Just
Crazy
Yeah
And
You
Know
What
That's
Why
Also
Every
Lawyer
In
The
World
Will
Tell
You
This
And
You
See
It
On
TV
If
You
Watch
Closely
Everybody
That
Goes
Into
A
Court
Of
Law
You
Go
In
Dress
To
The
Nines
You
Go
In
A
Shirt
And
Tie
And
A
Jacket
You're
Professional
I
Look
at
Look
At
Cases
Of
Like
Eminem
Wasn't
He
In
Court
For
Something
He
Was
In
Shirt
And
Tie
They
Know
They
Know
They're
Not
Above
The
Law
They
Know
Although
They
Get
Away
With
A
Lot
More
It
Seems
Like
But
We
Won't
Go
There
Even
When
Celebrities
Famous
People
Even
The
Biggest
Thugs
And
Everything
Unless
They're
You
Know
Unless
You're
In
A
Prison
Jumpsuit
Which
You
Have
No
Choice
If
You're
Coming
Into
The
Court
Of
Law
You
Will
Be
Presentable
And
You
Will
Speak
With
Respect
To
The
Court
Because
Exactly
What
You
Just
Said
That
Judge
Decides
That
He
Doesn't
Like
The
Way
You
Looked
At
Him
Or
Spoke
To
Him
Or
You
Didn't
Come
In
And
Present
Yourself
To
Him
Appropriately
You're
At
His
Mercy
So
You're
Damn
Right
You
Better
Dress
Right
And
Show
Some
Respect
In
That
Court
Room
Yeah
And
I
Mean
There's
Always
Ways
To
Get
Around
It
If
It's
A
Severe
Enough
Trial
You
Have
The
Option
Of
A
Jury
Trial
And
Stuff
Like
That
But
I
Mean
Most
Times
It's
Just
Going
To
Be
A
Bench
Trial
And
It's
Going
To
Be
You
And
The
Judge
And
If
He
You're
There
If
He
Doesn't
Then
You're
Screwed
Room
Ethics
And
Stuff
Like
That
I
Mean
It's
So
Broad
Of
A
Subject
Because
It's
Been
Around
For
So
Long
And
Things
Are
Always
Changing
I
Mean
Laws
Are
Always
Changing
So
If
You
Read
Something
I
Mean
Don't
Take
It
Too
Literally
Because
It
Might
Be
Different
You
Know
In
A
Week
Or
Two
Things
Probably
Aren't
Going
To
Last
Too
Long
But
See
That's
The
Problem
With
The
Law
System
Like
We
Said
Earlier
It
Cannot
Keep
Up
With
The
Growth
And
Adaptation
Of
The
Internet
And
Of
Technology
I
Mean
And
With
That
Like
I
Was
Mentioned
To
You
Earlier
Like
New
Agencies
Like
Homeland
Department
Of
Homeland
Security
And
FBI
They're
All
Having
All
Of
A
Boom
Of
Cyber
Task
Force
And
You
Know
Cyber
Agencies
That
Are
There
To
Try
To
Enforce
Some
Law
That
Doesn't
Exist
Right
And
You
Know
What
Let
Me
Just
Say
This
Too
I
Have
No
Problem
With
That
To
A
Certain
Extent
I
Think
It's
Great
I
Think
It's
Needed
I
Think
We
Do
Need
To
Add
This
Kind
Of
Stuff
My
Problem
Is
Who
They're
Targeting
Don't
Spend
Time
Go
Find
The
Ebay
Fraud
People
Go
Find
The
Nigerian
Email
People
Go
Find
The
Child
Pornographers
Leave
Me
The
Hell
Alone
Especially
When
It
Starts
Interfering
With
Personal
Rights
And
Privacy
Exactly
And
That's
A
Good
Segway
If
I
Will
We
Probably
Got
About
15
More
Minutes
We
Can
Talk
On
This
So
I
Think
We
Have
Time
To
This
Is
Another
Test
Question
This
Is
Off
One
Of
The
Last
Tests
The
First
Question
I
Chose
That
One
Because
I
Wanted
To
Explain
That
Like
A
Checklist
The
Way
Law
Works
It
Has
Definitions
That
Are
Very
Much
Like
A
Checklist
This
Last
Sentence
That
I
Put
In
As
My
Answer
The
Four
Factors
Of
Fair
Use
Legally
The
Phrase
Fair
Use
You
Have
To
Meet
Four
Things
And
Let's
Check
The
Four
Things
As
Applied
To
This
Case
The
Infringement
Is
Or
Is
Not
For
The
Purpose
Of
A
Commercial
Nature
Okay
Their
Search
Engine
And
Let's
Pretend
This
Is
Google
Because
It's
Kind
Of
What
They're
Alluding
To
Google
Image
Search
Let's
Pretend
It's
That
And
They
Take
Some
Companies
Copywritten
Stuff
And
Show
Thumbnails
Of
It
Okay
When
You
Link
To
It
You
Go
To
The
Site
They
Just
Have
The
Thumbnail
So
Is
It
Of
A
Commercial
Nature
I
Think
Not
It's
A
Search
Engine
Providing
A
Service
To
The
Internet
Community
It's
Only
Showing
Thumbnails
It
Doesn't
Sell
The
Pictures
However
That's
My
Interpretation
A
Court
May
Interpret
It
And
Say
You
Know
What
No
They
Don't
Sell
The
Pictures
But
They
Do
Sell
Advertising
On
The
Site
Google
Has
Ads
On
It
I
Don't
Know
How
A
Court
Would
Find
In
That
I
Would
Find
If
I
Was
A
Judge
I
Would
Say
No
I
Don't
Think
It's
Of
A
Commercial
Nature
The
Infringement
Is
Not
For
The
Purpose
Of
A
Commercial
Nature
The
Infringement
Itself
Using
These
Pictures
No
I
Don't
Think
It
Is
Okay
So
There's
One
Checklist
As
Far
As
My
Opinion
Does
It
Match
The
Courches
I
Don't
Know
Number
Two
Of
The
Copies
Do
Not
Compete
With
The
Original
Work
Do
They
Compete
With
The
Original
Work
They
Only
Have
Thumbnails
And
When
You
Click
On
That
Thumbnail
It
Doesn't
Take
You
To
A
Large
Version
On
Google
Or
On
This
Imaginary
Site
It
Takes
You
Back
To
The
Original
Site
In
My
Opinion
The
Copies
Do
Not
Compete
With
The
Original
Work
So
On
My
Checklist
I
Just
Marked
Off
The
Second
One
Did
Random
Insert
Random
Judge
Here
Agree
With
The
Same
Thing
I
The
Amount
Of
Infringement
That's
The
Third
One
Well
That's
Kind
Of
A
Vague
Question
Because
There's
No
Set
Number
On
Infringement
Because
You
Know
Five
Pictures
Is
That
Considered
A
Significant
Amount
Is
Five
Pictures
Out
Of
Five
Million
Significant
Not
Really
Is
Five
Pictures
Out
Of
Ten
Significant
Well
Yeah
That's
Half
Okay
So
In
This
Case
Said
Only
Thirty
Five
Of
The
Plaintiff's
Works
Were
Copied
I
Said
Thirty
Five
Out
Of
Their
Entire
Collection
Of
Photography
Is
A
Very
Small
Amount
So
I
Check
Off
For
The
Checklist
That
Is
Not
A
Significant
Amount
Of
Violation
Again
Would
A
Judge
Feel
The
Same
Way
Thirty
Out
Of
How
Many
Is
The
Question
That
I
Ask
Thirty
Is
All
Thirty
Five
Thirty
Five
Hundred
You
Know
So
Me
I
Got
Three
Check
Marks
Number
Four
The
Use
Of
The
Copies
What
Was
The
Use
Of
Them
There
Is
An
Exclusion
As
I
Mentioned
Earlier
For
Something
That
Performs
A
Scientific
Use
For
The
Community
To
Me
A
Search
Engine
That
Helps
Me
Find
What
I
Looking
For
My
Research
Whatever
It
Happens
To
Be
To
Me
That
Is
A
Scientific
Use
For
The
Community
So
For
Me
I
Marked
Off
All
Four
Checklists
For
Fair
Use
So
I
Don't
Think
These
People
Should
Be
Punished
For
Putting
That
On
Their
Way
I
Don't
Think
Google
Should
Be
Punished
For
Having
Thumbnails
Of
An
Artist
Copy
Written
Stuff
On
Their
Site
As
Thumbnails
Is
The
Question
Is
Will
A
Judge
And
Whatever
Judge
Happens
To
Feel
The
Same
Way
Yeah
And
Even
Like
The
Thing
With
That
Like
Even
If
I
Mean
You
Like
You
Said
You
Checked
Off
Four
Of
The
Four
But
I
Mean
Even
If
One
Of
Them
Is
Checked
Off
Sometimes
In
The
Law's
Eyes
It's
Enough
For
Like
Probable
Cause
Yeah
If
You
Don't
Have
All
Four
Of
Those
If
Any
One
Of
Them
Is
Missing
Yeah
They're
Going
To
Find
The
Other
Way
And
The
Other
Thing
To
Keep
In
Mind
Too
Is
And
You
Know
So
You
Don't
Totally
Lose
Faith
Or
Lose
Hope
That
You're
It's
Some
Judge's
Mercy
This
Is
Why
We
Have
An
Appeals
Process
And
This
Is
Why
As
Much
As
It
Has
Problems
Our
Legal
System
Still
Is
The
Greatest
In
The
World
You
Have
Recourses
It's
Getting
Worse
It's
Going
Down
Hill
But
You
Do
Have
Recourses
If
The
First
Judge
Is
A
Complete
Dick
Darn
It
Is
A
Complete
Jerk
Or
Does
Not
Find
The
Way
Or
You
Feel
That
You
Aren't
Given
Fair
Trial
We
Have
Legal
Recourses
That
You
Can
Take
This
To
The
Next
Level
Have
It
Appealed
And
Have
It
Overturned
By
Someone
Else
Who
Can
See
It
More
Clearly
Or
Someone
Else
Who
Understands
Better
Because
The
Other
Thing
Is
A
Lot
Of
These
Judges
Are
Old
They
Don't
Have
Experience
With
The
Internet
They
Don't
Understand
They
All
They
Just
As
Media
Brainwashed
As
A
Lot
Of
Other
People
Out
There
They
Don't
Know
The
Truth
So
They
Don't
Know
What
To
Do
I
Mean
This
Is
The
First
Time
They
Seen
A
Lot
Of
These
Cases
So
They
Have
To
Interpret
It
To
The
Laws
That
They
Know
And
Understand
Yeah
Alright
Let
I'm
Going
To
Try
To
Do
This
One
Much
More
Quickly
This
Is
A
Privacy
Case
This
Is
One
Of
The
Last
Test
Okay
And
This
Is
A
Shorter
One
Okay
Two
Employees
Were
Fired
From
A
Firm
After
The
Firm
Discovered
That
They
Had
Been
Sending
Personal
Messages
During
A
Period
Of
Four
Months
They
Obtain
This
Information
By
Using
A
Supervisor
Password
To
Access
Backup
Tapes
Is
The
Lawsuit
Filed
By
The
Employees
Valid
In
Its
Claim
That
The
Company
Violated
Their
Privacy
Rights
Okay
Now
First
Of
All
There's
A
Little
Red
Herring
There
That
They
Use
The
Password
To
Access
Backup
Tapes
Don't
Let
That
Throw
You
Off
The
Lawsuit
Is
From
The
Employees
Against
The
Company
Saying
That
They
Violated
Their
Privacy
Rights
Now
This
Is
One
Of
The
Biggest
Discrepancies
In
Law
Because
You
Got
To
Rule
Out
As
Much
As
I
Hate
To
Say
It
Morality
Has
No
Place
In
Law
Unfortunately
And
That's
Sad
That's
Shameful
And
That's
The
Biggest
Shortcoming
Of
Our
Legal
System
Sometimes
It
Helps
No
Depends
On
The
Case
Maybe
Well
Yeah
I
Kind
Of
Know
What
You're
Saying
Yeah
But
I
Think
Most
Of
Them
Are
Not
Anyway
This
Particular
Case
And
This
May
Scare
A
Lot
Of
People
Further
Facts
Of
The
Case
State
That
The
Employees
Considered
Their
Personal
Email
To
The
Employer
Claims
That
Both
Employees
Should
Have
Known
That
Email
Is
Never
Private
And
They
Were
Both
Computer
Literate
Enough
To
Know
That
All
Of
These
Facts
Give
Us
Several
Things
To
Consider
When
Judging
Whether
Privacy
Rights
Were
Violated
Sorry
That's
My
Corny
Answer
Again
P
I
And
I
Said
This
On
The
Show
In
The
Past
And
Now
I'm
Going
To
Explain
This
Is
An
Application
Personally
Identifiable
Information
P
I
Personally
Identifiable
Information
Is
An
Important
Term
In
The
Age
Of
The
Internet
This
Term
Refers
To
Any
Information
That
Can
Be
Personally
That
Can
Personally
Identify
An
Individual
With
The
Internet
P
I
Becomes
Very
Easily
Found
And
Transmitted
Workplace
Surveillance
And
Email
Privacy
Are
Very
Valid
And
Legitimate
Threats
To
An
Employee's
Privacy
Quote
Online
Surveillance
Is
Generally
Permissible
If
The
Employer
Owns
The
Network
And
Computers
End
Quote
That's
A
Quote
From
The
Law
That
Is
Your
Law
That
Is
Our
Law
In
The
United
States
That
Is
For
Our
Listeners
Overseas
We're
Probably
Boring
This
Ownership
Allows
Employers
To
Maintain
Confidentiality
Of
Trade
Secrets
And
Prohibit
Personal
Uses
Of
Equipment
The
ECPA
Electronic
Communications
Privacy
Act
Provides
Exceptions
For
Workplace
Surveillance
Of
Email
And
Internet
Activity
Smaller
Firms
Using
Public
Email
Systems
Face
More
Risk
For
Unlawful
Interception
Meaning
Smaller
Firms
Meaning
If
You
Let's
Say
You've
Only
Got
An
Office
Of
Eight
People
So
You
Just
Use
Hot
Mail
Guess
What
They
Don't
Have
Right
They
Don't
Have
As
Much
Right
To
Track
That
Because
It's
Not
Their
Equipment
And
Their
Software
So
That's
A
Little
Different
This
Case
I'm
Going to
Read
My
Answer
As
Much
As
I
Hated
Writing
It
Hurt
To
Write
This
Case
Is
Surprisingly
Simple
And
I
Wrote
This
On
My
Test
I
Didn't
Know
How
My
Instructor
Would
Take
This
These
Are
My
Exact
Words
This
Case
Is
Surprisingly
Simple
While
Morally
Apprehensible
The
Company
Is
Perfectly
Within
Their
Rights
To
Monitor
Employees
Activities
While
They
Are
Using
Their
Equipment
That's
My
Answer
That
Was
My
Answer
Of
The
Test
And
I
Got
An
A
Yeah
It's
I
That's
Kind of
Honestly
True
I
Don't
Know
It's
Really
Sticky
Yeah
I
Mean
It
Kind of
Brings
Up
A
Point
Though
Say
We
All right
Say
For
Instance
Gmail
Everybody
Is
Into
The
Whole
Gmail
Thing
And
Does
That
Allow
Gmail
To
Go
Through
Our
Internet
I
Mean
Like
Our
Email
Accounts
To
Find
You
Know
I
Was
Going
To
The
Patriot
Act
But
I
Don't
Know
If
We
Have
Time
See
That's
An
Excellent
Question
Because
That's
Something
That
Just
Came
Up
Recently
When
Gmail
Started
Offering
The
Service
They
Claim
In
Their
Rules
And
Here
Again
Jurisdiction
When
Does
One
Right
Overwrite
Another
One
Contract
Law
Comes
Into
Play
Because
When
You
Enter
Into
This
Contract
With
Gmail
You
Are
Agreeing
To
Their
Licensing
Agreement
That
Is
Contract
Law
You
Have
Agreed
You
Have
Entered
Into
A
Contract
With
Gmail
Following
Their
Rules
For
Use
Their
Rules
For
Use
Say
That
They
Will
Not
Read
Your
Email
They
Admit
That
They
Have
Bots
That
Scan
Through
It
But
They
Do
Not
Personally
Read
Any
Email
Unless
It's
Been
Proven
Or
It's
Been
Something
That
There
I
Don't
Remember
The
Exact
wording
I
Have
To
Bring
It
Up
But
Unless
They
Had
A
Law
Enforcement
Agency
Threatening
Them
That
Illegal
Activity
Was
Going
On
Things
Like
That
They
Had
Exceptions
In
There
To
Cover
Themselves
Of
Course
But
They
Claim
Not
However
Just
Because
They
Claim
That
In
That
Contract
Is
That
Legally
Bonded
Contract
Allow
Them
To
Overwrite
An
Actual
Law
Set
Somewhere
What
If
A
Business
That
I
Work
At
What
If
What
If
I
Worked
At
Microsoft
And
I
Was
Using
Gmail
I
Am
On
Microsoft
Network
They
Have
The
Ability
To
Monitor
If
I'm
Using
Their
Equipment
Or
Something
Like
That
They
May
Say
That
Because
I'm
Using
Their
Network
They
Are
All
To
Sniff
All
My
Packets
And
Read
My
Email
Even
Though
It's
On
Google
Who
Doesn't
Have
It
So
There's
So
Much
Gray
Area
And
So
Many
Questions
Here
That
It's
Just
Amazing
Yeah
And
This
I
Mean
How
Long
Has
Gmail
Been
Out
A
Few
Months
Yeah
Do
You
Really
Think
The
Court
Systems
Caught
Up
With
This
Or
Can
Address
This
Not
Until
Somebody
Gets
Hurt
And
Somebody
Is
Abused
By
Gmail
Or
Whoever
Doing
It
If
That
Happens
And
I
Hope
It
Doesn't
Yeah
But
Again
This
Comes
Back
To
The
Inflexibility
Of
The
Legal
System
By
The
Time
They
Come
Up
To
Make
This
Law
For
Gmail
It
Will
Have
Been
A
Moot
Point
Someone's
Life
May
Have
Been
Changed
Because
Of
It
Somebody
Could
Have
Been
Embarrassed
Somebody
Could
Have
Been
Had
Fraud
Committed
Against
Them
And
There's
No
Law
To
Protect
Them
Because
The
Court
System
Is
So
Slow
In
Coming
Up
With
These
Things
Exactly
So
Much
To
Talk
About
Yeah
Well
We've
Got
Let's
See
We
Can
Probably
Go
Ten
More
Minutes
Including
The
Closing
So
If
There's
Anything
Else
That
You
Wanted
To
Bring
Up
I
Those
Are
Just
Two
Questions
Off
Of
Different
Tests
I
Took
Over
The
Semester
I
Have
Others
I
Don't
Know
If
They're
Worth
Reading
On
Another
Show
Some
Other
Day
But
I
Thought
That
Would
Show
A
I
Want
To
Emphasize
The
And
They
Blindly
And
That's
Why
Not
Having
A
Wide
You
Know
They
Have
Blinders
On
You
Get
Some
Judge
Who's
Going
To
Sit
There
With
His
Fingers
Out
And
Go
Yep
He
Did
That
Yep
He
Did
That
Yep
He
Did
That
They
Don't
Have
That
Mind
To
Yeah
But
It's
Different
On
The
Internet
Yeah
But
It's
Not
Exactly
The
Same
Thing
Yeah
But
Things
Have
Changed
They
Don't
Think
That
Way
All
They
Go
Is
Yep
Two
Three
Four
Checks
You're
Done
It's
That
Simple
So
The
Inflexibility
Secondly
I
Use
That
Second
Example
To
Show
Why
It's
Important
That
We
As
Hackers
Also
Respect
And
Appreciate
Our
Privacy
Yeah
Let
Read
This
Again
This
Case
Is
Surprisingly
Simple
While
Morally
Apprehensible
The
Company
Is
Perfectly
Within
Their
Rights
To
Monitor
Employee's
Activity
While
They
Are
Using
Their
Equipment
Yeah
That
You
Should
Be
Think
About
I
Mean
All
Your
Like
An
ISP
Like
If
You're
Going
Through
Your
Internet
Service
Provider
They
Got
The
Right
To
Go
Through
Your
Traffic
If
They
Want
To
You're
Using
Their
Equipment
That's
Right
That's
Right
Now
And
That's
Why
When
You
Hear
Stories
Of
ISPs
That
Are
Refusing
To
Give
Up
People's
PII
Or
Personally
Identifiable
Information
The
DMC
You
Know
When
The
I'm
Sorry
Not
The
DMC
When
The
RIAA
Started
Hammering
Down
These
ISPs
Going
Give
Me
The
IP
Address
Of
These
People
Give
Me
The
Names
Of
This
Who
Was
It
Was
It
Harvard
Or
One
Of
The
Ivy
League
Schools
They
Went
And
Said
We
Found
Users
In
Your
Universities
Network
That
Are
Sharing
Give
Us
Their
Names
And
Addresses
And
The
Next
Step
Of
Course
The
Recourse
For
The
RAA
And
The
MPAA
Is
To
Then
Get
A
Court
Order
And
Force
Them
You
Know
And
All
This
Is
Being
Tested
Now
We
Don't
Know
There
Is
No
Law
There
Is
No
Precedence
So
Hey
We're
Winging
It
That's
Basically
The
Way
They're
Looking
At
And
Just
FYI
Everybody
They
Are
Looking
Like
I
Mean
It's
Obvious
That
The
RAA
Is
Cracking
Down
On
People
But
Like
Even
The
MPAA
Like
I
Have
A
Personal
Example
Do
We
Have
Time
To
Go
Through
Yeah
We
Got
Five
Minutes
All
Right
At
My
Old
College
I
Used to
Go
To
Me
And
A
Friend
Basically
We
Set
A
Trap
Basically
For
The
MPAA
Oh
Yeah
This
Is
This
Is
A
Great
Story
Yeah
I
Definitely
Go
Through
This
Alright
So
We
Were
Wondering
We
Wanted
To
Know
If
They
Were
Actually
Monitoring
Because
We
Got
Emails
From
Our
Administrators
Saying
That
Yeah
They
Were
Monitoring
Our
Network
And
They
Were
Going
To
Check
To
See
If
Anybody
Was
Sharing
Movies
Or
Whatever
So
We
Wanted
To
See
If
This
Is
True
So
My
Friend
And
I
Basically
Set
Up
A
Web
And
Recorded
Two
Hours
Of
His
Chair
His
Desk
Chair
Basically
Just
So
We
Had
A
File
That
Was
Large
Enough
The
Size
Of
A
Movie
And
We
Shared
It
Online
I
Forget
What
We
Shared
It
As
I
Think
It
Was
I
Forget
The
Name
Either
Way
We
Shared
It
Online
About
Two
Days
Later
Well
I'm
Sorry
You
Gave
It
The
Name
Of
A
Movie
Yeah
We
Of
A
Real
Movie
That
Was
In
Theaters
Right
Yeah
It
Was
In
Theaters
So
We
Named
The
File
The
Name
Of
This
Movie
And
Within
Two
Days
My
Friend's
Internet
Was
Shut
Off
We
Shared
It
On
Kaza
Just
Simple
Like
You
Know
Within
Two
Days
It
Was
Already
Shut
Off
And
He
Had
A
Letter
Of
Cease
And
Desist
And
His
I
Guess
Basically
The
School
Threatened
To
Just
Kick
Him
Off
The
Network
For
The
Rest
Of
The
Year
And
It
Was
Like
A
Big
Mess
Just
For
This
One
File
That
We
Shared
But
I
Mean
We
Basically
Did
It
Just
As
A
Trap
And
Like
I
Was
Friends
With
My
Network
Administrator
And
Well
Both
Of
Always
Good
Yeah
We
Both
Were
Because
We
Had
Run
In
The
But
We
Talked
To
We
Sent
Yeah
You
Got
Owned
Yeah
And
Like
I
Was
Talking
To
One
Of
The
Lawyers
In
The
EFF
About
It
Hope
And
She
Loved
The
Story
She
Was
Going
To
Use
It
She
Said
Possibly
Yeah
That's
A
Great
Story
And
I
Think
We
Even
Said
On
The
Show
Back
Then
What
If
Somebody
Did
This
You
Know
It
It's
Very
Easily
Done
And
They
Didn't
Check
It
And
You
Know
I
Well
I
Probably
Shouldn't
I
Guess
It's
Over
With
Now
I
Can
Say
I
Would
Have
A
Little
Concern
That
They
Would
Claim
Okay
Fine
You
Didn't
Copyright
You
Didn't
Violate
Our
Copyright
On
The
Movie
By
Putting
It
Up
But
You
Violated
Our
Copyright
On
The
Title
Of
The
Movie
Yeah
You
Know
I
Don't
Know
If
That's
Possible
Or
Not
But
I
Would
Be
Worried
Of
That
Aspect
Of
It
Yeah
Like
Honestly
At
The
Point
In
Time
I
Think
They
Were
Just
Worried
About
People
Sharing
Movies
They
Weren't
Right
But
Then
Again
You
Know
If
It
Was
A
Movie
Like
For
Example
Oh
Historical
Troy
Wasn't
There
A
Movie
Of
Troy
Out
With
Brad
Pitt
Or
Something
Yeah
Troy
You
Know
What
You
Can't
Copyright
The
Troy
Sorry
It's
A
Historical
Place
It's
Not
You
Can't
Copyright
That
So
If
It
Was
Something
Like
That
You
Would
Be
Safe
But
If
It
Was
I
Don't
Know
Fried
Green
Tomatoes
Or
Whatever
Was
There
A
Movie
Called
That
Yeah
If
There
Was
Some
Movie
That
Was
Very
Clearly
Is
Named
Come
After
A
Book
Or
Something
Yada
Alright
Well
You
Know
What
I
Guess
We
Probably
Have
Wrap
It
Up
Here
We
Do
Have
A
Couple
Minutes
If
You
Wanted
To
Touch
On
Anything
Else
Like
You
Know
What
You
Found
A
Website
A
URL
Yeah
That
What
Was
That
One
About
We
Tiny
URL
It
To
Something
What
Was
That
And
What
Was
The
Site
And
Where
Did
We
Tiny
URL
It
To
I
Found
A
Site
Basically
It
You
Can
Click
On
Your
State
And
It
Will
Show
You
All
The
Laws
That
Are
I
Guess
Basically
Jurisdictional
Within
Your
State
It
Tell
You
Like
I'm
Looking
Up
My
State
Now
It
Has
Definitions
Of
Computer
Damage
It
Has
Definitions
Of
Computer
Damage
In
The
First
Degree
Second
Degree
Third
Degree
I
Mean
Like
Theft
Everything
Basically
That
You
Probably
Want
To
Know
About
It
And
I
Mean
Other
States
Have
The
Same
Laws
Well
No
Other
States
Have
Similar
Laws
Don't
Say
The
Same
Be
Very
Careful
Yeah
Similar
Yeah
Exactly
But
On
This
Website
That
I'm
Sure
You'll
Have
An
URL
For
Yeah
We
Have
A
Tiny
URL
Dot
Com
W
L
D
F
W
L
D
W
L
D
F
So
Check
That
Out
And
You
Can
Quote
Hacking
Laws
For
Your
State
Are
Yeah
Unauthorized
Access
Laws
Right
So
And
Again
Just
To
Reemphasize
This
Is
Important
That
You
Just
Said
It
Has
The
Definitions
And
We
Just
Showed
You
How
Important
Definitions
Are
Yeah
You
Know
And
That's
How
You
Hear
All
About
Quote
Loopholes
In
The
Law
If
That
Definition
Does
Not
Clearly
Say
Certain
Things
In
It
You
Know
If
It
Loopholes
Usually
They're
Pretty
Good
They
Say
Computers
Or
Computer
Related
Systems
They
Make
It
Very
Vague
Intentionally
So
That
They
Get
You
So
Yeah
Electronic
Devices
Exactly
They
Word
It
They're
Pretty
Good
At
Wording
It
To
Try
To
Avoid
Loopholes
But
At
The
Same
Time
Makes
It
Overly
Broad
So
It's
Definitely
Hard
To
Find
A
Happy
Medium
Don't
Get
Me
Wrong
I'm
Not
Saying
It's
Some
Of
Them
Federal
Jurisdiction
Trumps
Every
One
Of
Them
If
The
Feds
Get
Involved
They
Will
Override
Anything
That
You're
Reading
There
Yep
So
And
It
Really
Should
Be
The
Other
Way
Around
If
You
Ask
Me
But
Yeah
Let's
Close
On
That
No
Because
I
Do
Think
We
Got
The
Point
Across
All
Right
I
Just
Have
One
Thing
I
Want
To
Sure
By
All
Means
Like
If
Anybody
Has
Questions
Or
Comments
Or
Anything
Don't
I
Mean
Feel
Free
To
Contact
Me
I
Have
Access
To
Law
Libraries
And
Law
Professors
And
I
Mean
If
Anybody
Has
Any
Pressing
Questions
I
Mean
If
You're
Sitting
There
In
A
Legal
Bind
Don't
Contact
Me
Find
A
Lawyer
Because
Go
To
A
Lawyer
First
No
Matter
What
Because
No
Matter
How
Much
Like
Or
How
Much
You
Try
To
Talk
Your
Way
Out
Of
Things
It's
Never
Going
To
Work
So
If
You're
An
Illegal
Bind
Talk
To
Lawyer
If
You
Have
Questions
I
Show
Occasionally
I'm
Sure
He
Doesn't
Listen
To
All
Of
Them
But
It's
Nice
To
Know
That
He
Listens
Occasionally
And
Appreciates
The
Show
So
Shouts
To
Him
And
I
Think
You
Can
Back
Me
Up
Saying
Give
A
Shout
To
DJ
Mollusk
Yeah
And
It's
All
Yours
Take
It
Away
I
Was
Gonna
Give
Shouts
Out
To
Mute
And
813
Air
Two
That
They
Helped
With
GLR
Geek
Club
Radio
And
That's
About
It
Alright
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We'll
Remind
People
To
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I'm
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Deal
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Know
What
If
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Don't
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Keeping
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This
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I
Just
I
Don't
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What
Else
I
Can
Do
If
People
Don't
Believe
In
The
Magazine
And
I
Can't
Keep
Writing
The
Whole
Thing
You
Know
I
Already
Write
Too
Darn
Much
Nobody
Wants
To
Hear
Me
All
The
Time
I
Don't
Know
Where
To
Go
From
Here
I
Just
I
Just
Want
To
Say
That
Send
In
Articles
If
You
Really
Want
The
Magazine
To
Live
There
Is
No
Other
Way
To
Put
It
And
Our
Closing
Music
Today
Is
From
Day
Z
I
Don't
Know
It
D
A
Y
Z
E
Days
Or
Day
Z
I
Say
Day
Z
Yeah
Day
Z
She
Contacted
Me
And
Listened
To
The
Show
And
Knows
We
Close
With
Music
Independent
Music
So
She
Sent
Me
This
Track
Called
Corporate
Climate
So
Take
A
Listen
To
This
And
Once
Again
Sub
Zero
Thank
You
Very
Much
For
Being
On
The
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And
Welcome
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So
Why
Don't
We
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Close
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Out
The
Same
Way
We
Always
Do
And
Tell
Everybody
That
We
Will
See
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Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
I
Know
Victoria's
Secret
She
Uses
Prison
Labor
To
Keep
It
My
Cousin
Jay
Don't
See
A
Penny
Uncle
Sam's
Queen
Won't
Lend
It
Any
Marlboro
Lights
Is
Just
As
Heavy
A
59
Cent
Burger
That
Makes
Scary
Designer
Virus
Ironically
Called
Help
Aids
To
Eliminate
My
People
And
Their
Health
That
Space
Between
Slavery
Sweats
Shops
The
Gap
Just
Do
It
Air
Any
More
Place
On
The
Map
Cuff
Them
Beat
Them
Chasing
To
Port
Them
But
Ancestors
Bones
Post
Free
In
The
British
Museum
Got
Milk
Got
Antibiotics
Got
Hormones
I
Been
Double
Crossed
By
Exxon
Been
Double
Squared
By
Chevron
Our
Coast
Cornerstone
The
Builders
Rejected
I
Know
Cause
Vinogo
Says
It
Verizon
Spray
Tumors
On
The
Horizon
Don't
Just
Let
My
Brain
Fry
I
Want
A
Singular
D
Why
Cause
Light
Cause
Dark
Cause
Your
Liver
Ugly
Highly
Can
Ethnice
Feel
Like
Un
Dry
Lee
Access
My
Hood
On
Hollywood
Spend
A
Little
Extra
Every
Time
On
The
Poverty
Line
What
Makes
Debeer's
Diamonds
Bling
The
Dead
Soldiers
Yeah
His
Spirits
Sing
R
O
N
R
H
O
L
That
London
Bodeja
Should
Exist
No
More
Do
My
People
Got
A
Misha
Disney
Writing
Skillfully
Hiding
Triple
Six
Kids
And
The
Devil
Should
Not
Mix
Snapple
Let
The
Real
Juice
And
The
Apple
Took
A
Bite
Knowledge
And
Soul
To
My
Pissar
With
The
Ring
Of
Infinity
Is
That
Intel
Or
Satan
Inside
We
Rebukes
The
Cover
Girls
In
Liquid
Foundation
Give
Rise
To
A
Floating
Nation
Free
From
Darkness
By
The
Sun
Disguised
In
The
Shell
So
Ring
The
Liberty
Taco
Bell
Cocaine
Cola
Africa
Works
For
Ya
Pay
Their
HRV
Insurance
Won't
Ya
Eat
Snakes
Called
Mars
In
Rehearsal
Please
Give
Rot
M&M's
Candies
A
Commercial
Stop
Calling
Your
Private
Piddy
Banks
Federal
Reserve
Your
Promise
Notes
For
Promise
Keepers
Visa
And
Master
Card
Fools
Blowing
Up
Sway
Bragging
Brother
Beamer
You
Know
What
No
Hitler
Volkswagen
Steam
Simmer
B
You
Belong
To
The
Department
Of
Commerce
Check
Your
Birth
Certificate
You
Just
An
Object
That
You
Curse
I
Belong
To
The
Queen
I
Subject
It
Just
Reverse
Others
Hail
To
Republic
Invasion
All
Part
Of
The
Same
Grand
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