This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreampacks
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
And a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave you flat on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
I have no idea what to say to start the show off
So I'm just gonna start the show off
This is episode 63 of Binary Revolution Radio
I am StankDog
And we are coming to you September 21st
Tuesday, 2004
Again, episode 63
And our returning co-host with us today
Is our good friend
Acidus
Back on the show, welcome
Thank you, thank you
I'm glad to be here
And you've got some really interesting stories
Cause you've had a world
You're in the middle of a whirlwind month, I guess
In the middle of a whirlwind month
Yeah, as a matter of fact
This doesn't get any lighter with October either, does it?
No
Yeah, so
Anyway, we'll come to that in a second
But let's take care of a little housekeeping off the top
Like we always do
And
Just briefly mention
I'm not officially announcing anything yet
But
I just want to give everybody a heads up
That we are going to be switching
Our IRC server
We're going to be switching our IRC channel
To another server
And actually we have already registered
Channel Binrev
On Dalnet
Now we've been on Espernet all this time
Because that's where Rant Radio was
But we are going to be moving to Dalnet very soon
We've already registered it
Registering accounts, etc, etc
So if anybody wants to check out Dalnet
Channel Binrev
That should be coming up soon
And again, when we make an official announcement
We'll put it up on the website
And we'll change all the links on the website
And we'll probably put a bot up on the old site temporarily
And route people over
But
Right now we're still doing a little bit of testing on Dalnet
We've got some ideas for some bots over there
Like to download the show
Some F-serves and stuff like that
To download episodes of the show
Things like that
Do some lookups to some of our other projects
So yeah, we're going to be moving to Dalnet soon
So I wanted to talk about that
I think I mentioned that before
But I just wanted to bring it to light again
And
I think probably we should jump into a little email
What do you say?
Thank you
Alright, let's play our
Intro theme music here
Our email theme music
And
On to the first email
First email here comes from
Mrs. Jonah
Hey, it's me Brittany
My husband left last night
Come check out my online profile
If you like my sexy profile
We can meet up
Wait a minute
Whoa, whoa, wait a minute
Excuse me, sorry about that
I'm sorry about that
To the listeners out there
That one slipped through
I don't know
I don't know what that was all about
Let's just pretend that didn't happen
Can we wipe that out?
Yeah, I mean
You're damn right, Stank
That Brittany chick's mine
Dude, I'm sorry
I don't know how that happened
Let's start again
Let's pretend
Okay, here we go
Into the email section
Okay
Into the email
This email I got
Is from
Mrs. Harlan
Hey, it's me Kelsey
Husband on business trip
With my online profile
You can come and chat with me
If you're looking for
A sexy relationship
Alright, no
Okay, hold on
Hold on
Let me
This is a mistake
Let me just forward this
To Mrs. Jonah
Alright, let me forward that
To Mrs. Jonah from earlier
I think maybe they're trying
To communicate with each other
And somehow I got in the middle
Yeah
I don't know what that's all about
Let me
You can man in the middle then
Though I don't know
If you'd want to
Yeah
Sight unseen
No, that's tricky
Sight unseen on the internet
That's
Yeah, that's
Bad news
That's just bad news
Alright, let me try this again
Now, this next email
This is from Mrs. Pryor
This can't be
Okay, this has
Got to be legitimate
Oh, that sounds awful
Yeah
Hey, it's me Taylor
My husband doesn't
Give me much attention
I have a profile online
Which you can
Okay
Oh, wait a minute
What the hell is going on here?
Gotta love spam
Every single one of these
You know, every single one of these
Is Mrs. Blank
And then it says
Hey, it's me
Whatever
First name
My husband is
My husband doesn't
Yeah, it's missing
Slash dead
Slash has no
You know, whatever
Well, did everybody's husband
In the world
Walk out of their life
At the same time?
I mean
No
I'm tempted to
Excuse myself
From the show
And go knock on
The next door
Neighbor's house
Just to see if
Their husband's home
Something's fishy
Going on here
This is like
We need to just
All these hoes
Need to join forces
And make like this
Justice league
Of lonely women
Or something
It'll be like
A social network
For whores
Exactly
Like Orchid
But for the lonely
Housewives
Oh, horetics
Yeah, okay
You know what
Joking aside
I do have one
Serious email
I did want to
Bring up on the
Show today
Okay
Although I should
File these for
Later reference
Just in case
You know
It's nice to have
A backup plan
No, I have one
Actually serious email
I did want to read
And it is from
Battery Man
There's no
Mrs. Nothing here
This is from
Battery Man
Sent me a pretty
Long email
I'm just going to
Read a little bit
Of it here
The first part
Of it here
It says
I have been
Listening to your
Show since
Number 25
And have been
Again, we're on
63 today
So that's been
Quite a while
And have been
Looking around
For other shows
Like yours
RFA was the
First one I found
I usually burn
RFA of course
Is Radio Freak
America
Which I co-hosted
With Dual Parallel
Along with
I think their most
Well known is
Bland and Quisner
And Dual Parallel
On that show
But a host of
Other people on
There as well
RFA was the
First one I found
I usually burn
A CDRW
With all the
Shows
Parentheses
RFA
Off the hook
Tech this
In the now
Default
BinRev
The Linux show
Wireless
Tech radio
Tech talk
It's a lot
Of shows man
I didn't know
There were that many
Yeah internet radio
Is blowing up
And he left off
A lot of them
I mean you've got
Infonomicon
He's not
Uber Lito
There's a ton
Of shows on
Here that
You know
There's a show
Called Uber Lito
Uber Lito
By Kizzle
And actually
Yeah that's
Uber Lito
Kizzle's doing
Some really
Cool stuff
I was actually
Going to shout
Him out
Towards the end
And I will
I'll talk
About some
Stuff
But Hacker
Media
Hacker
Media
Is his site
Hackermedia.net
I believe
Is his site
Yeah
Hackermedia.net
And it's kind
Of like a central
Place where you
Can find out
About all of
These shows
So battery man
There's a good
Site to get
Started
You say
You're looking
For more
Go to
Hackermedia.net
And you'll
Find links
To a bunch
Of others
Anyway
Let's get back
To the email
Many are
Just reading
The news
Binrev and
RFA go
Farther and
Talk about
In some detail
You and
Duel have
The best
Rants
And yes
I have some
Rants on
Occasion
And ideas
For stuff
Tom and
Daryl do a
Good job
When they get
To a good
Subject
They sometimes
Talk about
Linux
Their specialty
Is satellite
Dishes
One topic
Was about
Channels
That DirecTV
Have that
Are not
For the
Public
I'm starting
To collect
Interesting
Places
That have
Payphones
One is
An old
Nike
Missile
Base
Above
Encino
These will
Eventually
Be added
To the
Payphone
Database
One of
Your recent
Shows
Inspired
Me to
Go and
Play
With
Telnet
And
Connect
Up to
Different
Services
I might
Go and
Try to
Document
What I
Have
Discovered
The
RFCs
Are easy
To find
And they
Should be
Able to
Give me
Enough
Information
Keep the
Show
Going
Give us
More ideas
On what
We can
Go and
Play with
My next
Thing will
Be to
Check my
Web server
With
Nikto
Go and
That's
Just a
Part of
It
He had
A lot
Of
Other
Good
Stuff
In
There
Obviously
I thank
Everybody
For listening
Everybody
That sends
In an
Email
That they
Were
Interested
Enough
To send
In
An
Email
I
Appreciate
That
That's
Very
Touching
That people
Care
Enough
To do
That
So
Thank
You
Very
Much
For
Listening
And
I
Hope
We
Do
Pique
Your
Interest
On
A
Number
Of
Top
That's
What
My
Goal
Is
Hopefully
When the
Radio
Show
Is
Done
That
You
Don't
Sign
Off
The
Computer
That
You
Go
Out
And
Look
Some
Of
This
Stuff
Up
And
Research
It
And
Find
Out
More
About
It
Now
He
Also
Mentioned
Something
Else
Maybe
You
Can
Back
Me
Up
On
This
But
Talking
About
The
RFC
He
Says
The
RFC
Are
Easy
To
Find
And
Should
Be
Able
To
Give
About
The
First
Time
You
Tell
That
To
An
SMTP
Server
And
Send
That
First
Mail
I
Was
Walking
Past
I
Got
A
Friend
Who
Is
A
TA
For
Early
Java
Class
At
Georgia
Tech
And
Their
Kind
Of
Group
Project
They
Had
To
Write
A
News
Group
Reader
Which
Sounds
Kind
Of
Complicated
Right
It
Does
Sound
And
I'm
Sure
It
Was
But
It
Is
Actually
Surprisingly
Easy
It
In
Fact
What
They
Had
Is
They
Said
For
People
To
Learn
The
Protocol
They
Actually
Said
Just
Tell
That
Directly
To
The
Mail
Server
And
Look
At
The
RFC
To
Tell
You
What
Command
To
Use
You
Use
List
To
Get
A
List
Of
All
The
News
Group
And
The
Group
Name
To
Get
A
List
Of
The
Headers
For
The
Article
And
You
Do
The
Article
And
The
ID
To
Get
The
It
Tell
That
To
Some
Of
These
Ports
Learn
Networking
It
Is
Pretty
Cool
Yeah
And
You
Know
What
Like
You
Said
They
Are
Publicly
Accessible
Every
Internet
Protocol
Every
Just
About
You
Know
Every
RFC
That
You
Can
Imagine
Is
Publicly
Available
You
Can
Do
A
Little
Bit
Of
Googling
And
Find
The
Protocols
And
The
Details
Sometimes
Even
For
Not
I
Mean
We're
Not
Talking
Only
About
Okay
I'm
Sorry
Let
Back
Up
And
Find
The
Correct
Words
Here
We're
Not
Talking
About
This
Is
Not
A
Linux
Thing
This
Is
Not
An
Open
Source
Thing
This
Is
A
Standards
Thing
This
Is
About
Internet
Standards
Protocol
Standards
And
Stuff
That
Are
You
Know
The
W3C
Consortium
All
These
Different
Groups
The
ISO
Standards
Stuff
Like
That
Are
Published
So
That
The
Goal
Is
To
Make
Them
Public
So
That
People
Can
Write
Software
Applications
Around
These
Standards
That
Are
Compliant
Yeah
Right
Instead
Of
For
Example
Microsoft
Making
Their
Own
Browser
That
Doesn't
Support
XYZ
You
Know
They
Can
Choose
To
Because
When
Microsoft
First
Generation
Of
Browsers
Came
Out
They
Didn't
Support
A
Lot
Of
This
HTML
Standards
They
Were
Trying
To
For
Some
Of
Their
Own
You
Know
There
Were
Some
If
You
Remember
Back
In
The
Days
I'm
Sure
I'm
Certain
You
Do
Where
It
Said
You
Know
This
Site
Only
Viewable
With
Netscape
Or
This
Site
Only
Viewable
With
Internet
Explorer
Remember
Back
In
The
Day
You
Used to
Have
To
Do
Browser
Detection
To
See
Which
One
They
Had
And
Customize
The
Page
Because
They
Would
Render
The
HTML
Differently
Or
Some
HTML
Would
Not
Be
Rendered
By
Internet
Explorer
They
Use
Different
Tags
And
Different
Type
Of
Markup
Exactly
So
They
Chose
Not
To
Acknowledge
The
Standards
Well
Luckily
For
Us
So
Many
Other
Great
Applications
Did
You
Know
And
We
Now
Have
Other
Options
And
Gosh
You
Know
This
Would
Have
Been
A
Great
Story
If
I
Would
Have
Thought
I
Was
Coming
Off
Going
Into
This
Tangent
But
I
Read
Somewhere
Just
Earlier
This
Week
That
The
Market
Share
For
Internet
Explorer
Has
Been
Dropping
Quite
A
Bit
Especially
In
The
Past
Year
What
Was
It
Firefox
Wanned
From
Like
7%
To
17%
Right
Here
And
There
Was
Something
On
Flashdots
You
Know
Just
Like
A
Day
Or
Two
Ago
That
Was
Saying
That
So
Mozilla
One
Point
Or
Excuse
me
Firefox
1.0
Like
The
Mozilla
Foundation
Was
Expecting
A
Million
Downloads
In
10
Days
They
Were
Hoping
They
Got
A
Million
Downloads
In
Four
Days
Wow
Everyone
Is
Liking
It
It's
Taken
Off
Oh
It's
Awesome
I'm
Glad
Because
It's
Going
To
Force
Microsoft
To
Innovate
I
Mean
Hell
Look
At
Internet
Explorer
And
How
Is
It
Any
Different
Than
1998
It's
Not
It's
Crap
And
So
It's
Nice
To
See
Another
Player
In
The
Industry
Yeah
It's
Great
And
I
Love
The
Way
They
Do
And
I
Also
Like
The
Fact
That
They
Don't
Use
The
Word
Plugins
Because
It's
So
Cliché
I
Like
The
Way
They
Do
Extensions
They're
Very
Smooth
The
Way
They've
Done
Extensions
And
When
I
Upgraded
To
The
1.0
PR
The
Preview
Release
All
Of
The
Extensions
That
I
Had
It
Automatically
Checked
To
See
If
There
Were
New
Updated
Versions
Available
Automatically
We'll
Install
Them
You
Know
If
You
Of
Course
Approve
It
Doesn't
Automatically
Do
Anything
Like
When
You
Say
Automatically
In
Microsoft
Terms
It
Means
One
Thing
When
You
Say
Automatically
In
Everybody
Else's
It's
Something
Else
Microsoft
Terms
It
Means
That
Little
Check
Box
It
Comes
Up
Says
Always
Trust
Content
From
Microsoft
Yeah
Exactly
So
Anyway
Yeah
That's
A
Very
Good
Point
And
The
Fact
That
He
Knows
That
And
Mention
That
In
His
Email
Is
A
Very
Good
Start
Someone
Who
Really
Is
Eager
I
Mean
If
You're
Motivated
Enough
To
Find
Out
Something
Anything
That
You
Want
To
Know
How
To
Do
That's
A
Great
Starting
Point
It's
Like
You
People
Come
Into
The
Forums
Or
People
Instant
Message
Or
Email
Me
How
Do
I
Go
About
Writing
This
How
Do
I
Go
About
Writing
My
Own
Spider
Like
I
Wrote
That
Article
On
Spiders
And
Robots
How
Do
I
Write
My
Spider
Well
You
Know
What
Go
Out
There
Are
RFC
That
Will
Explain
All
The
HTML
Tags
All
The
Access
How
Do
You
Interact
With
A
Server
All
These
Commands
That
You
Can
Go
In
And
You
Can
Write
Your
Own
Spider
For
Example
In
Just
About
Any
Script
You
Want
You
Know
Just
By
Following
Those
Things
Like
You
Said
Telnetting
For
The
News
Group
Is
Telnetting
And
Issuing
A
Certain
Command
All
That
Is
Publicly
Available
And
That
Is
What
These
Programs
Do
Under
The
Covers
Your
Web
Browser
When
You
Say
Get
Me
This
Page
It
Essentially
Telnet
Support
80
And
Issues
A
Get
And
Then
The
Name
Of
The
HTML
File
And
You
Can
Do
The
Very
Same
Thing
But
Instead
Of
Using
Web
Browser
Just
Telnet
To
It
Telnet
IP
Name
Or
Name
Of
The
Server
And
Space
80
And
You
You're
Now
A
Web
Browser
Congratulations
That's
All
There
Is
To
It
In
The
Most
Rudimentary
Way
Absolutely
Without
Going
Into
Mime
Headers
And
Yada
Pimp Out
He
Mentioned
His
Site
In
This
Email
Too
He's
Got
Some
Pretty
Interesting
Some
Old
Telephone
Recordings
And
Stuff
Available
On
His
Site
And
That
Site
Is
Telephone
Entertainment
Dot
Com
Telephone
Dash
Entertainment
Dot
Com
So
He's
Got
Some
Old
Phone
Recordings
If
You're
Into
That
Sort
Of
Thing
That
You
Can
Check
Out
So
Yes
Battery
Man
Thank
You
Need
A
Spam
Assassin
On
That
Mail
Actually
I
Do
Run
Honestly
Those
Were
In
My
They
Got
Picked
Up
By
The
Spam
Filter
I
Just
Couldn't
Help
But
Notice
Them
I
Got
Those
Very
Same
And
Actually
I
Need
To
Train
Spam
Assassin
Better
Or
Something
Those
Got
Through
Apparently
It
Felt
I
Need
A
Woman
Or
Something
You
Know
What
I
Been
Getting
You
Might
Have
Been
Getting
This
For
Yeah
I
Got
And
It
Is
In
Military
Time
No
One
I
Know
Uses
Military
Time
Exactly
That's
How I
Can
Tell
It
But
That
Gives
Them
Positive
Points
On
The
Old
Evaluator
Of
Whether
It's
Spam
Or
Not
You
Lose
A
Bunch
Of
Points
For
The
Word
Viagra
But
They
Gain
A
Bunch
Of
Points
For
Meeting
You
Know
So
They're
Offsetting
It
So
I've
Been
Getting
A
Few
Of
Those
Sneak
Through
But
Yeah
I
Go
Through
My
Before
I
Do
Delete
All
Those
Old
Automatically
Deleted
Spams
I'll
Browse
Through
The
Trash
Just
To
Make
Sure
Legitimate
Stuff
Didn't
Get
Filtered
So
Yeah
I
Caught
Them
In
There
And
Thought
It
Was
Funny
That
They
Were
The
Same
Exact
E-mail
With
Different
Mrs.
Blank
You
Know
Fill
In
The
Blank
So
Somebody's
Out
There
Sending
All
These
And
A
Bunch
Of
People
Are
Damn
Spammers
Hope
It
Was
Worth
It
I
Come
On
I
Mean
Look
At
Usenet
Right
You
Have
All
These
News
Groups
That
Are
Essentially
Unreadable
Now
Because
Of
All
The
Spam
They
Get
Yeah
It's
Just
A
Shame
They're
Just
Destroying
It
Yeah
And
I
Don't
Know
There's
Scum
Of
The
Earth
That's
All
There
Is
What
We
Really
Need
To
Do
Not
That
I'm
Advocating
Virus
Writing
But
Someone
Were
To
Write
A
Virus
That
Look
Specifically
For
These
Mass
Mailing
Programs
They
Use
And
I
Don't
Know
Trash
Their
Disc
That
Would
Be
Nice
Yeah
There's
Yeah
Without
Directly
Supporting
Or
Saying
Something
Like
That
All
I
Can
Say
Is
That
I
Very
Much
Believe
In
Vigilante
Justice
That's
All
I'm
Going
To
Totally
Unrelated
Topic
I
Just
Like
Vigilante
Justice
Just
On
A
Completely
Random
Note
I'm
All
For
That
See
To
Me
That
Is
True
Civil
Disobedience
Not
This
Other
Anarchist
Breaking
Windows
You
Know
What
I'm
Not
You're
Right
Let
Me
Back
Up
Let
Me
Back
Up
We're
Going
To
Go
Off
On
Those
Bastards
From
Hope
And
Def
Con
Yeah
I
Don't
Yeah
You
Know
What
I
Think
They've
Pretty
Much
Spoken
For
Themselves
Enough
That
People
Yeah
We
Have
Something
To
Add
Well
Believe
Me
I've
Spoken
Out
On
The
Show
In
The
Past
And
I've
Gotten
Some
Comments
And
Some
Attacks
Of
My
Own
From
Some
Of
These
People
Laughable
Some
Of
Them
But
Yeah
I've
Gotten
Some
Repercussions
Myself
So
I
Think
It's
Pretty
Clear
What
My
Opinion
Is
But
Anyway
Let's
You
Know
Let's
Go
Into
Something
Fun
Let's
Go
Into
The
Show
And
Tell
Part
Of
The
Show
And
Talk
About
What
We've
Been
Working
On
You
Since
The
Last
Time
You
On
The
Show
Was
What
A
Month
A
Month
A
Month
A
Mine's
Pretty
Quick
So
I'll
Go ahead
And
Start
Because
I
Have
Family
In
Town
I
Have
Some
Family
In
Town
So
I've
Been
Spending
Family
Time
I've
Been
Doing
A
Whole
Lot
Of
Computer
Stuff
I
Am
Working
On
Some
Project
That
I
Mentioned
Last
Week
Actually
Zero
DB
And
I
Were
Up
To
Like
Two
Or
Three
In
The
Morning
All
Weekend
Long
Working
On
One
Of
These
Projects
And
Specifically
That's
PHP
Based
Nick
84
Actually
Wrote
A
Lot
Of
PHP
Code
And
We
Were
Going
In
And
Trying
To
Manipulate
It
A
Little
Bit
And
Working
With
It
So
Being
That
I
Don't
Know
PHP
Very
Well
I
Gave
Myself
A
Crash
Course
Or
He
And
I
We
Gave
Each
Other
A
Crash
Course
Figuring
It
Out
On
The
Speaker
Phone
For
Hours
At
A
Time
Going
Hey
Do
You
See
This
What
The
Hell
Does
That
Do
That
Was
Really
Fun
That
Was
Really
Fun
To
Be
On
The
Phone
With
Somebody
And
We're
Both
Hacking
At
The
Same
Time
And
Going
Hey
I'm
Going
to
Change
This
Watch
What
Happens
You
Know
That
Is
Really
Fun
Yeah
That
Was
Just
An
Absolute
Blast
So
Yeah
Crash
Course
In
PHP
And
I
Feel
Pretty
Comfortable
With
The
Fundamentals
Of
It
Now
Which
Helps
A
Lot
And
Again
Spending
Time
With
The
Family
And
Doing
Some
Stuff
At
Work
General
Work
Database
Stuff
That
I
Do
I
Have
Learned
A
Lot
In
SQL
Server
2000
As
Well
Probably
Nothing
Worth
Talking
About
In
The
Show
But
I
Always
Learning
More
About
That
As
I
Spend
More
Time
With
It
As
It
Should
Be
And
Try
I
Want
To
Wrap
Up
At
Least
One
Of
These
Probably
Both
Of
These
Projects
Before
Freak
Nick
Which
Is
October
21st
So
I
Probably
I
Guess
We
Can
Segway
Maybe
We
Can
Segway
To
You
With
The
Freak
Nick
Concept
Because
I
Know
We
Said
Before
You
You're
Going
We're
Definitely
Going
To
Hook
Up
When
We
Get
Up
There
Along
With
Some
Other
People
But
I've
Never
Been
To
Freak
Nick
Before
Freak
Nick
Is
Going
To
Be
A
Blast
I
Think
I
Was
Pimping
It
Last
Time
I
Was
On
The
Show
Absolutely
Yeah
I'm
Sure
You
Were
But
I
Mean
We
Can
Never
Pimp
It
Enough
It's
Only
A
Month
Away
Now
Back
Then
When
You
Were
On
There
Was
Not
A
List
Of
Speakers
Yet
And
They
Have
Put
A
List
Of
Speakers
Up
Now
And
I
Was
Already
Looking
At
Them
I'm
Looking
Very
Forward
Like
Some
Things
That
Interest
Me
On
The
Fringe
That
I'm
Not
Really
Into
I
Would
Probably
Never
Sit
Down
Like
For
Example
I
Think
Somebody
Was
Doing
A
Hacking
The
Xbox
That's
Not
Something
That
I
So
I'm
Very
Much
Looking
Forward
To
That
Let's
See
There
Was
Some
Do
It
Yourself
Hardware
That
I
Was
Very
Much
Looking
Forward
To
That
Guy
Because
He's
A
Friend
Of
Mine
It's
A
Guy
Named
Bod
Burn
Yeah
That
I'm
Very
Much
Looking
Forward
To
He
Is
He's
A
Really
Cool
Guy
Met
Him
Really
For
The
First
Time
At
The
Last
Freak
Nick
And
Hung
Out
With
Him
A
Lot
He's
Awesome
I
Think
It's
Bod
Burn
Dot
Net
Just
Type
Bod
Burn
Into
Google
Guy
Rules
We
Were
Up
To
Like
Four
O'clock
In
The
Morning
Just
Talking
About
Stuff
I'm
Glad
That
You
I'm
Glad
To
Hear
Your
Endorsement
Because
That
Is
Probably
The
One
I
Was
Looking
Most
Forward
To
As
Far
As
Reading
The
Topic
And
The
Description
And
The
Fact
That
You
Know
Mention
And
You
Endorse
Him
I'm
Sure
That
It'll
Be
A
Good
Presentation
Too
So
I'm
Very
Much
Looking
Forward
I
Believe
He's
Actually
One
Of
The
First
Speakers
Isn't
He
Um
You
Know
What
I
Have
Let
Me
See
I
Have
The
Site
Still
Open
Friday
Yes
You're
Right
Dolomite
With
The
Welcome
Message
The
Welcome
Thing
And
Then
He
Is
The
First
Speaker
Friday
At
Yeah
There's
A lot
Of
Other
Good
Stuff
In
Here
There's
An
Asterisk
Development
Box
I
Like
To
Watch
That
Because
Everything
I've
Learned
As far
As
That
Goes
Is
From
Not
Theory
Who's
Just
Brilliant
At
That
I'd
Like
To
See
What
This
Someone
Else
Presents
They've
Given
Talks
At
Not
Only
Freaknik
But
Also
Inner
Zone
And
Every
Time
I've
Seen
It
Impresses
Me
So
Much
Really
It's
A
Cool
It's
An
Excellent
Project
And
Everyone
Says
Yeah
I
Believe
It's
At
Asterisk
Dot
Org
I
Don't
Know
Actually
I've
Got
A
Sticker
Actually
Some
Swag
They
Gave
Out
Yeah
Asterisk
Dot
Org
Open
Source
PBX
Yeah
And
Actually
Not
Theory
And
I
Did
A
Complete
Show
With
The
Topic
Being
PBX
And
Specifically
Asterisk
I
Guess
It
Was
Two
Or
Three
Episodes
Ago
Really
Yeah
Really
Good
Stuff
And
He
I'm
Telling
He
Knows
His
Stuff
Man
Not
Theory
Is
Leet
So
Yeah
What
If
Now
Freaknik
Here
Yeah
Let's
Start
With
Freaknik
And
Then
Cause
You
Also
Did
Something
Else
Really
Cool
We
Want
To
Talk
About
But
Freaknik
For
Example
Now
I
Not
That
There's
Also
Some
Emphasis
I
Don't
Know
If
I
Say
Emphasis
But
There's
Some
Gaming
Events
That
Go
On
At
Freaknik
As
Well
I
Believe
They're
Doing
That
This
Year
Oh
That's
That
Is
That
Something
New
Then
So
At
Freaknik
They
Normally
Have
A
Room
Set
Up
Normally
The
Nashville
Cause
It's
Held
In
Nashville
Tennessee
Normally
The
Nashville
Lug
Is
There
Doing
An
Install
Fest
Normally
There's
A
Room
For
Gamers
I
Mean
It
Hasn't
Really
Been
A
Big
Thing
Normally
At
Any
Con
There's
Kind
Of
A
Room
Where
People
Can
You
Know
Hook
Up
Machines
Use
The
Network
You
Know
Trade
Files
Back
And
Forth
Are
They
Doing
A
Structured
Gaming
Thing
This
Year
I
Thought
I
Read
Something
Let's
See
We've
Got
Several
People
Working
On
And
Organizing
Gaming
This
Year
Yeah
So
They
Might
Be
Doing
A
Gaming
Ladder
Or
Some
Other
Stuff
Interest
There
A
Lot
Of
Gamers
That
Are
Into
Hacking
A
Lot
Of
Hackers
That
Are
Into
Gaming
So
I
Think
That's
Kind
Of
A
Cool
Thing
And
What
Else
Is
Going
On
Certainly
You've
Got
To
Have
Some
Good
Freaknik
Stories
Yeah
Well
I
Really
Got
To
Enjoy
Freaknik
This
Last
Time
The
First
Time
I
Went
I
Was
Giving
A
Talk
And
Due
Some
Prior
Arrangements
I
Had
To
I
Wasn't
Able
To
Stay
Very
Long
But
This
Last
Time
I
Really
Went
It
Was
Excellent
I
Really
Cool
People
Together
Talking
They
Rent
Out
The
Top
Floor
Of
This
Hotel
So
You've
Got
The
Penthouse
Which
Is
Really
Nice
You've
Got
A
Good
View
Of
The
City
And
It's
Just
A
Nice
Little
Group
Some
Of
The
Talk
They
Had
Last
Year
They
Had
Some
Stuff
On
Car
Computers
So
They
Had
Six
Or
Seven
Really
Nice
Pimped
Cars
Be
Them
Miata
Sports
Cars
Or
SUV
With
Alanka
Is
A
Real
Cool
Chick
She's
A
Game
Developer
Out
In
The
Midwest
And
She
Craps
Cryptography
In
Her
Spare
Time
Did
I
Read
A
Story
There
Was
Some
Art
Some
Art
Project
That
Had
Some
Cryptography
I
Don't
Remember
The
Story
Exactly
This
Is
So
Cool
This
Is
Like
Indiana
Jones
It's
Awesome
So
There
Is
This
Sculptor
Guy
I
Want
To
Say
His
Name
Is
David
And
He
Has
Done
All
Of
This
Art
That
Is
Incorporated
Cryptography
And
Like
The
Cold
War
And
KGB
And
Nazis
And
Secret
Documents
And
So
He
Had
One
Sculpture
In
North
Carolina
I
Believe
At
UNC
It
Was
Called
Acrylic
Projector
Which
Was
Like
This
Cylinder
With
All
These
Acrylic
Letters
Or
I
May
Be
Saying
That
Wrong
The
Russian
Letters
Cyrillic
Ah
Cyrillic
Yes
The
Cyrillic
Projector
In
The
Center
Of
Kind
Of
Like
This
Outside
Atrium
Type
Thing
Amphitheater
And
There
Was
This
Rotating
Cylinder
Of
These
Russian
Letters
With
A
Light
Inside
And
It
Was
An
Encrypted
KGB
Document
And
She
Cracked
That
And
Got
On
Slash
Dot
A
While
Ago
And
She
Has
Been
Working
On
A
Sculpture
Called
Cryptos
Which
Is
At
Langley
The
CIA
Headquarters
And
She
Actually
Cracked
This
Is
A
Cool
Way
I
Can
Loop
This
Back
To
Freaknik
She
Cracked
All
These
Codes
That
Got
Famous
And
The
CIA
Actually
Invited
Her
Out
To
Give
Of
This
Sculpture
It
Is
Another
One
Of
Sanborn
Sculptures
And
Obviously
Only
CIA
People
Can
Get
At
It
Because
It
Is
On
CIA
Headquarters
You
Can't
Just
Walk
Right
In
It
Is
Atrium
Outside
The
Cafeteria
And
She
Actually
Gave
A
Talk
At
Freaknik
Last
Year
About
Cryptography
And
About
The
Crypto
Sculpture
And
How
They
Cracked
Three
Parts
Of
It
There
Are
Four
Parts
And
It
Crazy
And
This
Is
What
I
Mean
By
It
Is
Indiana
Jones
Esque
Because
There
Is
Sanborn
Has
These
Other
Sculptures
And
They
Reference
Each
Other
And
Some
Of
The
Sculptures
Have
Loathe
Stones
So
They
Magnetic
And
They
Don't
Point
To
True
North
South
And
Other
Ones
Have
Encrypted
GPS
Coordinates
Which
When
You
Decoded
Them
Actually
Pointed
To
Another
Sculpture
Which
They
Cracked
And
It
Had
You
Know
Reference
To
Cryptos
Again
And
So
It
Like
This
Modern
Day
Treasure
Hunt
It
So
Cool
But
She
Gave
A
Talk
At
Freak
Nick
Last
Year
And
Actually
The
Way
Alanka
Got
Her
Start
Is
Every
Year
At
Both
Freak
Nick
And
Now
At
Inner
Zone
The
Original
Organizer
Of
Freak
Nick
Was
This
Guy
Johnny
X
And
He
Makes
The
Freak
Nick
Code
Which
Is
Normally
This
You
Know
It
Is
Just
A
Piece
You
Know
Eight
And
Half
By
Eleven
Filled
With
Gibberish
And
It
Is
Normally
Codes
Inside
Codes
Inside
Codes
You
Know
You
Like
Rot
13
The
First
You
Know
30
Characters
Rot
13
Is
You
Just
Rotate
The
Letters
13
Letters
Forward
Right
And
It
Would
Like
Say
Oh
You
Know
You
Got
The
First
Step
But
It
Gets
Harder
From
Here
And
Then
You
Will
Notice
It
Like
You
Know
A
UU
Encoded
File
UU
Encoding
Is
A
Way
Of
Taking
Binary
And
Writing
It
As
ASCII
And
So
It
Was
Like
A
UU
Encoded
File
Which
Was
Actually
A
GIF
And
So
When
You
Displayed
The
GIF
You
Know
It
Showed
A
Picture
And
Inside
The
GIF
Picture
Using
Stenography
Which
The
Inner
Zone
Conference
In
Atlanta
So
They
Are
Now
Inner
Zone
Codes
But
Alonka
Got
Her
Start
Actually
Cracking
These
Freak
Nick
Codes
And
You
Can
Still
Find
If
You
Search
For
Alonka
Or
Alonka
At
AOL.com
And
I
Think
She
Has
A
Site
E
L
O
N
K
A
Alonka
Dot
Com
Yes
I
Was
Just
About
To
Try
To
Get
That
Yeah
So
And
She
Has
You
Solve
It
Explains
Cryptography
Techniques
It
Explains
All
These
Cool
Software
Packages
You
Use
It
Is
Really
A
Nice
Introduction
To
Cryptography
For
The
Lay
Person
And
She
Is
Just
A
Cool
Chick
I
Don't
Know
If
She
Is
Talking
This
Year
But
She
Will
Certainly
Be
There
So
Freak
Nick
It
Is
So
Cool
It
Is
A
Lot
Of
People
From
The
Midwest
And
SC
2600
It
Just
It
Is
A
Great
Little
Con
So
If
You
Don't
Like
Def
Con
Or
Some
Of
These
Other
Cons
Because
They're
So
Big
In
Commercial
Freak
Nick
Inner
Zone
Some
Of
These
Are
Definitely
Up
Your
Alley
Yeah
I'm
Very
Much
Looking
Forward
To
It
Now
Actually
We
Have
Talked
About
Freak
Nick
Before
So
Let's
Move
On
To
Something
That
I
Think
Is
Even
Cooler
Because
We
Were
Trying
Why don't
You
Talk
About
This
What
Was
It
Called
Foo
It
Was
Called
The
Foo
Camp
Foo
Stands
For
Friends
Of
O'Reilly
And
The
Whole
Reason
They
Called
It
That
Is
They
Wanted
To
Have
A
Bar
At
This
Event
And
Have
It
Say
Foo
Bar
Which
In fact
I
Took
A
Picture
Of
So
The
Foo
Camp
Is
O'Reilly
Publishing
You
Know
The
Guys
That
Do
All
The
Animal
Books
They
Throw
A
Conference
Kind
Of
Semi
Annually
They
Did
One
Last
Year
In
October
They
Just
Did
One
In
Europe
It
Is
An
Invitation
Only
Conference
It
Is
An
Invitation
Only
Conference
And
It
Is
Pretty
Selected
I
Very
Much
Felt
Like
A
Small
Fish
In
A
Small
Pond
With
Lots
Of
Big
Fish
So
To
Give
You
An
Example
Of
The
Type
Of
People
Who
Were
Invited
Page
The
Co-Founder
Of
Google
The
Editor
In
Chief
Of
Wired
Magazine
All
The
Top
Editors
At
O'Reilly
Theodore
Who
Writes
Nmap
Who
Was
Also
At
Hope
I
Met
Briefly
At
Hope
And
I
Really
Wanted
To
Talk
To
Him
More
Did
You
Speak
To
Him
Much
Yes
In
Fact
I
Stayed
Up
A
Couple
Nights
Talking
With
Him
He
Just
Excellent
The
Fact
That
He
Knew
Who
I
Was
Kind
Of
Cool
And
It
Was
Just
A
Very
Small
Group
Of
That
200
People
And
Like I
Said
It's
Invitation
Only
And
It's
Completely
An
Unstructured
Conference
The
O'Reilly
Kind
Of
Put
Up
A
Wiki
That
Everyone
Used
And
O'Reilly
Pretty
Much
Gave
Everyone
Food
Drinks
And
Shelter
And
Set
Up
A
Wireless
Network
And
Let
Everybody
Else
Do
Whatever
They
Wanted
The
Con
Kind
Of
Self
Organized
People
Quickly
Developed
Schedules
Someone
Put
Up
A
Big
Wall
Chart
And
Everyone
Would
Sign
Up
For
Slots
People
Organized
Into
Panels
There
Were
Some
Folks
From
The
EFF
There
Who
Got
Together
With
Other
Lawyers
And
Did
A
Panel
On
Internet
Law
There
Were
Some
People
Who
Did
RFID
That
I
Got
Together
With
And
We
Did
A
Little
Talk
There
Was
A
Wide
Range
Of
Folks
There
Excellent
Food
Like
I
Was
Eating
Blackened
Salmon
The
First
Night
Barbecue
Ribs
The
Second
Night
There
Was
An
Open
Bar
They
Probably
Went
Through
A
Couple
Hundred
Bottles
Of
Wine
Over
The
Weekend
And
People
Just
The
O'Reilly
Campus
Is
Beautiful
It's
About
50
Miles
North
Of
San
Francisco
Three
Big
Office
Buildings
But
They
Are
Not
Really
Office
Buildings
They
Look
More
Like
Lodges
And
Like
Ski
One
Of
Them
Is
Just
Empty
Office
Space
So
People
It
Literally
It
Was
Like
A
Camp
Out
You
Brought
A
Sleeping
Bag
You
Could
Either
Sleep
Inside
Or
People
Were
Actually
Camping
Outside
In
The
Apple
Orchard
Behind
O'Reilly
They
Had
A
Big
Grassy
Area
There
Was
A
Guy
There
Who
Built
His
Own
Segway
From
Scratch
Oh
You
Know
What
I
Read
That
Article
About
Somebody
Doing
It's
A
Wage
Of
People
And
I
Just
Stayed
Up
All
Night
It
Was
A
Great
Experience
Because
I
Got
To
Talk
To
A
Lot
Of
The
Best
And
Brightest
In
These
Different
Industries
And
Tim O'Reilly
The guy
Who
Runs
O'Reilly
Publishing
As
He
Says
Just
Get
A
Lot
Of
Smart
People
Together
And
Give
Them
Resources
And
See
What
Happens
And
So
You
Had
All
Sorts
Of
People
Talking
About
Talking
I
Met
Some
Great
People
And
I
Will
Actually
Meet
Up
With
Them
Again
Next
Week
The
Month
Of
Fun
Never
Ends
Man
Yeah
You're
Just
And
Like
We
Said
It's
A
Whirlwind
Month
For
You
It
Really
Is
The
Whole
Reason
I
Got
Invited
To
That
O'Reilly
Publishing
Was
From
My
Work
With
Stripes
Snoop
It
Got
Unsource
Forged
And
I
Got
An
Email
From
Tim
O'Reilly
Saying
Hey
We're
Throwing
This
Event
Please
Come
Out
It
Was
The
Best
Playing
Ticket
I've
Ever
Spent
And
It's
Funny
Because
I've
Never
Been
To
California
Before
And
I
Just
Went
To
California
I've
Got
This
Week
Back
Here
I'm
Trying
To
Do
Some
Stuff
For
Classes
And
I'm
Actually
Back
Out
To
The
West
Coast
Next
Week
Yeah
If I
Remember
Correctly
I
Called
You
And
You
Were
Literally
Looking
Over
The
Beach
Yes
I
Was
You
Gave
Me
A
Call
You
Were
On
The
Cell
Phone
Trying
To
Block
The
Wind
Blowing
Off
The
Beach
It's
Sebastopol
Is
The
Place
Where
O'Reilly
Is
And
It's
50
Miles
North
Of
San
Francisco
So
I
Flew
Up
A
Day
Early
To
Just
Hang
Out
In
San
Francisco
Taking
The
Sights
I
Had
Never
Seen
The
City
And
At
The
Bay
Bridge
Which
Goes
From
Oakland
To
San
Francisco
I'm
Just
Sitting
Right
On
The
Beach
Or
It's
Not
Even
A
Beach
There
It's
Just
A
Pier
Sitting
On
These
Things
Taking
A
Breather
And
Sure
Enough
My
Phone
Rings
I'm
Like
Whoa
It was
Nice
To
Take
In
The
City
I've
Never
Been
To
The
West
Coast
Either
I
Would
Definitely
Love
To
Visit
It
Somet
Oh
It's
Gorgeous
When
You're
Trying
To
Go
Something
It
Was
Crazy
But
A
Lot
Of
Good
Pictures
A
Lot
Of
Good
Time
Met
Up
With
Some
Friends
Of
Mine
Who
Are
Now
Out
There
Some
People
From
The
Yak.net
Crew
Strick
And
Others
So
That
Was
Nice
Cool
And
I'm
Going
To
TourCon
You
Can
See
That
At
TourCon
Dot
Or
I
Believe
Or
Just
Type
TourCon
Into
Google
That's
T
O
Giving
A
Talk
And
Knew
The
Knew
The
Person
Who
Is
Running
It
And
Suggested
To
Him
That
They
Invite
Me
Out
They
Had
An
Open
Spot
So
I'm
Flying
Back
Out
To
San
Diego
Or
To
San
Diego
Never
Been
There
Before
On
Thursday
Next
Thursday
Actually
So
Like
Five
Days
From
Now
Four
Days
From
Now
Fly
Out
A
Day
Early
So
I
Can
Take
In
The
City
And
Then
Let's
See
How
Do
We
Segway
Here
How
Do
We
Segway
You
Met
You
Met
The
Guy
From
Google
And
That
Is
Actually
What
Inspired
Our
Main
Topic
For
Today
And
That
Topic
Is
Fishing
I'm
Sorry
Unless
You
Were
I
Didn't
Want
To
Cut
You
Off
There
If
You
Still
Had
Oh
That
Fine
I
Know
That
You
Need
To
Get
To
Sleep
Because
You're
Back
In
Town
For
Week
To
Take
Care
Of
Your
Personal
Things
You
Need
To
Take
Care
Of
Before
You're
Taking
Off
Again
I
Do
So
We
Need
To
Get
This
Thing
Out
Let's
See
Actually
Let
Let me
Check
Here
How
Are
We
Doing
We're
Doing
Good
Yeah
We're
Good
We're
Good
And
Our
Main
Topic
Today
Is
A
Pretty
Basic
One
Actually
It's
A
Pretty
Simple
One
And
That
Is
The
Topic
Of
Phishing
So
The
Reason
Is
Because
Like
I said
Google
Right
Now
I
Guess
There
Is
A
Gmail
Phishing
Going
On
There's
A
Gmail
Being
Sent
Around
Phishing
For
People's
Information
And
I
Thought
That
A
We
Talk
About
This
And
It's
Effects
And
They're
More
Than
You
Think
It's
Not
As
Simple
As
You
Know
Getting
Someone's
Information
And
That's
The
End
Of
It
It's
A
Little
Bit
More
Widespread
Than
That
So
I
Thought
We'd
Talk
About
Some
Of
The
Effects
Of
Phishing
But
Also
Just
Explain
What
Phishing
Is
In
General
Right
And
Like
I
Said
It's
Not
Exactly
Rocket
Science
You
Know
It's
Not
Like
This
Is
Yes
I
Mean
It'd
Be
You
Know
It'd
Be
Naive
To
Say
It's
Not
Somehow
Related
To
Hacking
There
Is
A
Little
Bit
Of
It's
Kind
Of
A
Social
Engineering
Trick
I
Guess
I
Guess
You
Could
Classify
It
As
That
Generally
These
Days
When
You
Hear
The
Term
Phishing
It's
More
Mass
It's
Not
About
Hitting
One
Person
Up
For
Information
To
Get
Their
Docs
It's
About
Sending
Out
Mass
Mailings
And
That's
Usually
What
Is
Referred
To
As
Emails
That
Go
Out
Pretending
To
Be
Someone
That
They're
Not
And
Trying
To
Get
Your
Information
It's
Gotten
It's
As
A
Lot
Like
Spam
Has
Gotten
Very
Commercialized
You
Know
The
Spam
And
The
Virus
Community
Are
Coming
Together
Now
Kind
Of
The
Phishing
Community
Is
Becoming
Much
More
Commercialized
I
Mean
Back
In
The
Day
I
Mean
I
Remember
Phishing
AUL
Accounts
Like
In
The
Mid
Nineties
Now
But
That
Was
Just
For
Fun
But
Now
You
Have
People
Who
Are
Going
Out
Collecting
Social
Security
Numbers
Steal
Identities
Ring
Up
Massive
Amounts
Of
Fraud
And
They
Are
Using
It
To
Make
Money
And
Yeah
And
That's
Just
Bad
News
It's
Just
Bad
News
You
Know
What
I
Mean
Yeah
So
For
Those
Of
You
Who
Don't
Know
Phishing
Is
Basically
Social
Engineering
Someone
To
Get
Access
Specifically
To
An
Account
You
Normally
Email
Them
And
Say
Hi
Such
I
Am
Bill
From
Tech
Support
And
Our
Server
Went
Down
Blah
Whatever
We
Lost
Your
Account
Information
Please
Mail
Please
Reply
With
Your
Most
Recent
Password
Etc
So
We
Can
Update
Our
Database
Which
Is
Complete
Crap
Right
And
Mostly
From
Credit
Cards
You
See
A lot
From
People
Claiming
To
Be
From
Credit
Card
Companies
And
Stuff
Like
That
Saying
They
Need
To
Verify
Something
About
You
Exactly
The
Credit
Cards
They
Will
Never
First
All
If
You
Ever
Get
Something
Like
That
You
Should
Say
If
It's
Over
The
Phone
I
Had
People
Call
Me
And
Try
To
Fish
Me
I
Had
A
Nice
Little
Fun
Adventure
Tracing
Their
Number
And
Stuff
And
Giving
That
To
Cops
But
First
Of
If
You
Ever
Get
Something
Like
That
On
The
Phone
Ask
Them
For
A
Number
To
Call
Them
Back
At
Now
I'm
Sure
Lucky
Or
Some
Of
Your
Other
Host
Know
All
About
PBX
Manipulation
And
Sometimes
Simply
Dialing
Someone's
Number
You're
Not
Actually
Getting
That
Number
Right
Same thing
With
Email
Somebody
Might
Say
Oh
Email
This
Address
Back
And
It
Might
Look
Authentic
But
You
Should
Always
Try
To
Call
The
Company
Directly
Don't
Ever
Do
This
Electronically
Right
And
They
Should
Never
Ever
Have
Your
Password
You
Should
Immediately
Be
Suspicious
I
Mean
Come
On
How
AOL
Lost
Your
Account
Information
Then
How
Do
They
Know
To
Email
You
If
They
Lost
A
Tape
Or
Backup
Of
All
This
Account
Information
That's
Crap
It
It's
Always
Ludicrous
And
On
The
Off
Chance
That
It's
Possibly
Legitimate
You
Should
Call
And
Contact
The
Company
Yourself
You
Should
Actively
Do
It
You
Should
Never
Passively
Give
Someone
Right
And
Email
Is
Definitely
One
Of
The
Worst
Too
Even
If
There
Were
Some
Legitimate
Reason
To
Contact
You
About
It
They
Wouldn't
Do
It
Via
Email
They
Would
Do
It
Via
Voice
They
Would
Do
It
Via
Snail
Mail
They
Would
Do
It
Some
Other
Way
Because
With
Other
Methods
And
Techniques
Out
There
Like
Man
In
The
Middle
Stuff
Like
This
They
Can
Sniff
It
Really
Think
They
Will
Email
You
To
Ask
You
For
Account
Information
No
Of
Course
Not
Right
I
Mean
Somebody
Could
Have
Gone
To
The
Site
And
Initiated
A
Please
Change
My
Password
Please
Send
My
Information
Yeah
And
It's
Legitimate
It'll
Come
From
That
Site
It
Wasn't
You
That
Requested
It
But
When
You
Reply
To
It
Or
You
Send
A
New
Password
Or
You
Change
It
Or
They
Just
Sniffed
It
To
Get
The
Email
Now
That's
Kind of
Going
Away
From
Phishing
Actually
I
Guess
But
It's
The
Same
Concept
Of
Phishing
Is
Basically
Math
Send
Out
Emails
You
Know
Back
In
The
Day
On
AOL
We
Would
Instant
Message
People
AOL
Was
So
Stupid
Because
They
Actually
Had
So
Like
When
You
Signed
On
For
An
Account
They
Comped
You
Into
The
New
Users
Lounge
Which
Also
Was
Known
As
The
Pool
To
Fish
From
Here
Are
A
Bunch
Of
New
Users
That
Don't
Know
What
They're
Doing
But
Normally
It's
A
Mass
Email
Or
A
Mass
Instant
Message
To
A
But
People
And
They're
Playing
The
Numbers
Game
Like
Spam
They're
Like
You
Know
One
Out
Of
A
Thousand
People
Is
Going
To
Be
Stupid
And
Email
Me
Back
And
That's
All
That
Matters
And
They're
Just
Trying
To
Get
Access
To
Your
Account
Credit
Cards
Something
Like
That
Yeah
Those
Are
Spammer
Odds
Right
There
But
That's
All
They
Want
One
Out
Of
Thousand
They're
Happy
All
They
Need
So
Yeah
That's
Just
Not
And
First
And
Let me
Just
Correct
Something
You
Said
You
Said
AOL
Was
Pretty
Stupid
No
AOL
Is
Still
Pretty
Stupid
Sucked
For
So
Many
Other
Reasons
Yes
We
Could
Go
On
A
Whole
Show
About
That
AOL
Has
Always
Sucked
They
Suck
Now
And
They
Always
Will
Suck
Yes
So
I
Just
Wanted
To
Throw
That
Out
Because
I
Love
Saying
That
Over
And
Over
Again
How
Much
AOL
Sucks
Yes
AOL
Does
Suck
How
Much
Email
Do
You
Get
From
People
From
AOL
Addresses
Going
Please
Tell
I
Don't
Really
But
Anyway
Yeah
This
And
The
Other
Thing
About
Phishing
Too
Is
Yeah
There
Are
Some
Proxies
And
Stuff
That
People
Can
Use
And
There's
Ways
To
Make
It
A
Little
Bit
Safer
But
You
Know
What
If
They
Go
Totally
From
Proxies
And
Temporary
Accounts
And
Stuff
They
Don't
Get
The
Results
They
Want
Most
Of
These
Emails
They
Want
You
To
Submit
This
Information
Back
To
Them
They
Are
Going
To
Redirect
You
To
A
Website
Or
They
Are
Going
To
Want
You
To
Reply
To
The
Email
Or
Something
But
They
Do
Have
To
Get
Information
Back
This
Does
Have
To
Be
A
Two
Way
Street
Two
Way
Communications
Because
Spammers
They
Can
Send
You
Something
They
Don't
Need
To
Hear
Back
From
You
They
Just
Want
You
To
They
Don't
Need
Intentionally
Albeit
Maybe
Temporarily
So
Obviously
That
Means
That
This
Is
Something
That
Is
Very
Easily
Traced
And
Very
Easily
Found
Out
So
It's
A
Very
Dangerous
Game
To
Even
Be
Involved
With
And
I
Don't
Really
Know
Why
People
Would
Get
Into
This
Or
What's
The
I
Don't
Know
That's
A
Whole
Different
Breed
Of
Person
That
Really
Is
Into
That
For
I
Guess
Well
Whatever
Their
Goals
Are
I
Can't
Even
I
Guess
I
Could
Speculate
But
I
Won't
They
Want
To
Steal
Lots
Of
Money
It's
No
Different
Than
Robbing
Someone
Yeah
It's
Not
It's
Exactly
What
It
Is
And
That's
The
One
That
They'll
Be
On
The
News
As
Hackers
Too
But
Anyway
That's
A
Whole
Another
Thing
The
Thing
Is
That
Once
This
Is
Found
It's
Easily
Stopped
Because
These
Are
Canned
Messages
That
Are
Sent
Out
To
Everybody
Once
One
Of
Them
Is
Flagged
Or
Enough
People
Flagged
Or
Complain
It
All
They
Do
Is
Go
To
The
Mail
Server
And
Delete
Them
All
Cut
Them
Off
It's
Very
Easily
Fixed
As
Well
So
Once
Some
People
Report
It
It's
Usually
Cut
Off
Pretty
Quickly
And
That
Apparently
Is
I
Did
Not
Confirm
This
With
The
Google
Case
Or
The
Gmail
Case
Specifically
But
Apparently
They
Took
Interest
In
It
Really
Quickly
And
I
Assume
That's
Exactly
What
They
Did
And
Actually
At
The
Top
Of
This
Particular
Email
It
Says
Quote
The
Gmail
Team
Is
Proud
To
Announce
That
We
Are
Offering
Gmail
Free
Invitation
Packages
To
The
Existing
Gmail
Account
Holders
By
Now
You
Probably
Know
The
Key
Ways
In
Which
Gmail
Differs
From
Traditional
Webmail
Services
Searching
Instead
Of
Filing
A
Free
Gigabyte
Of
Storage
Messages
Displayed
In
Context
As
Conversions
Now
That
Was
The
Text
At
The
Top
Of
It
And
Then
Beneath
It
Has
Fill
In
The
Name
Of
Someone
Or
Give
The
Email
Address
To
Someone
You
Want
To
Have
A
New
Gmail
Account
Now
Again
As
The
Way
Gmail
Works
For
Those
People
Who
Don't
Know
The
Way
Gmail
Works
Is
Right
Now
It's
Still
Not
Completely
Open
To
The
Public
You
Have
To
Be
Invited
To
Have
A
Gmail
Account
So
A
Certain
Number
Of
People
Were
Invited
To
In
The
Beginning
And
Those
People
Were
Given
Certain
Invitations
To
Spread
Around
And
Invite
Other
People
And
Therefore
Pay
It
Forward
How
That
Branches
Out
Exponentially
And
How
Many
More
People
So
There's
A
Lot
Of
Gmail
Invites
Out
There
They're
Even
Being
Sold
On
Ebay
Which
Is
Pathetic
But
People
Want
This
Gigabyte
Of
Storage
Well
Everybody
Wants
More
Invites
Because
Of
That
It's
Still
Limited
So
A
So
I
Mean
To
Stand
Back
And
Look
At
This
From
A
I
Guess
An
Appreciation
Stand
Point
You
Know
Of
At
Least
How
They
Did
It
First
Of
All
The
Message
At
The
Top
That
I
Just
Read
To
Correct
It
Looks
Legitimate
It's
Spelling
Is
Done
Spelling
Is
Well
Done
It's
Not
From
Nigeria
Right
And
So
Many
Of
The
Fishing
That
I've
Seen
In
The
Past
Is
Always
Screwed
Up
Grammar
And
Spelling
And
It's
An
Immediate
Giveaway
Immediately
They're
Not
Americans
Second
Of
All
It'll
Have
A
Bunch
Of
Animated
GIFs
Or
Stupid
Little
Corny
You
Know
Geo
Cities
Graphics
I
Better
Looking
More
Legitimate
Looking
Graphics
They'll
Even
Steal
Them
From
The
Website
Themselves
But
This
Was
Also
You
Know
Again
Not
That
I
Endorse
Phishing
At
All
No
But
We
Can
Respect
This
From
A
Social
Engineering
Standpoint
Respecting
It
From
An
Art
They
Also
Social
Engineering
Wise
They
Picked
A
Topic
And
A
Hook
So
To
Speak
That
Invitations
People
Get
Invited
To
Join
It
Makes
Sense
For
Google
To
Say
Oh
Since
You're
Part
Of
This
You
Know
We're
Issuing
You
Know
Invitations
Who
Would
You
Like
Us
To
Invite
I
Mean
Exactly
I
Mean
This
Could
Have
Easily
Been
Less
Successful
If
It
Would
Have
Said
Something
Like
We're
Going
To
Pay
A
Thousand
Dollars
To
You
If
You
Give
Us
Your
Friends
Names
And
Yeah
That's
Exactly
What
I
Mean
By
Appreciating
There
Is
Some
Beauty
Here
There
Is
Something
To
Appreciate
From
The
Social
Engineering
Standpoint
It
Is
Well
Done
As
Far
As
The
Way
They
Approached
It
They
Don't
There's
No
Nigerian
Scam
There's
No
Pyramid
Things
There's
No
We're
Going
To
Give
You
Money
There's
No
You
Know
They're
Saying
We're
Going
To
Give
You
More
Invites
Everybody
Wants
More
Invites
We
Know
That
That's
What
Gmail
Is
About
So
They
Absolutely
Did
That
Very
Well
And
Again
The
Most
Important
Thing
On
Top
Of
That
Is
Spelling
And
Grammar
Because
That's
The
Second
Giveaway
You
Know
A
Giving
Away
Something
That's
Unbelievable
B
The
Grammar
And
Spelling
Is
Atrocious
Yeah
It would
Be
Interesting
To
Find
Out
How
Many
People
Actually
Got
Nailed
By
This
Yeah
And
I
Wonder
If
They
Will
Ever
Release
That
Information
Anyway
Or
Is
That
One
Of
Those
Things
They'd
Be
Ashamed
To
Mention
Was
It
Replying
Back
To
Like
A
Gmail
Address
I
Mean
I'm
Sure
Was
It
Something
That
Google
Could
Have
Shut
Off
It
Was
I
It's
Probably
Not
The
Best
Idea
To
Give
That
Out
On
The
Show
Though
But
Yes
It
Was
To
An
Account
And
Actually
I
Am
Going
To
Touch
On
That
In
A
Second
Let
Me
Come
Back
To
That
One
Again
From
A
Social
Engineering
Standpoint
I
Mentioned
How
Important
Graphics
Were
Well
This
One
And
Gmail
In
General
Is
Not
Graphic
Intensive
The
Few
Graphics
That
They
Had
Are
Really
More
Along
The
Lines
Of
Font
And
Font
Consistency
And
Color
Schemes
And
The
Way
This
Email
Was
Put
Together
They
Used
Because
It
Matched
With
It
Makes
It
That
Much
More
Believable
That
It
Really
Is
From
Someone
There
Right
You
Know
And
The
Email
Address
Like
You
Said
The
Email
Address
Does
Sound
Legitimate
And
Again
I'm
Not
Going
To
Read
It
But
You
Know
If
You
Saw
Something
From
Webmaster
At
Gmail
Dot
Com
You
Know
That
Lends
Credibility
As
Opposed
To
Bob
6472
At
Gmail
Saying
The
Same
Thing
Mr.
Kittens
At
Hotmail.com
That's
Good
Yeah
Especially
If
It
Is
Coming
From
A
Different
Site
Another
Hotmail
You
Know
From
Hotmail
That
Would
Definitely
Give
It
Away
Too
So
And
I
Don't
Know
If
This
Is
Really
A
Gmail
I
Don't
Know
If
I
Would
Say
Maybe
Gmail
Needs
To
Put
More
Graphics
I
Don't
Think
I
Kind
Of
Thought
That
At
First
But
I
Don't
Know
If
That's
Really
The
Case
They
Might
Need
To
Do
Something
To
Distinguish
Themselves
A
Little
Bit
So
They're
Not
So
Easily
Spoofed
Or
Duplicated
Here
Or
Ripped
Off
Yeah
But
I
Mean
You'll
Look
At
Anybody
Who
Commonly
Has
Phishing
Or
Scam
I
Mean
ebay
Right
Ebay
Is
Covered
With
Crazy
Fonts
And
Graphics
And
All
Sorts
Of
Stuff
But
You
Have
People
Setting
Up
Websites
In
Russia
And
The
URL
Will
Be
www.ebay.com
At
You know
Blah blah blah
Russian
Website
Dot
Com
And
They
Will
Just
Jack
You know
They'll
Use
Wget
Or
Something
And
They'll
Just
Take
All
The
Graphics
Straight
From
Ebay
So
It
Doesn't
Really
Matter
How
Good
You
Distinguish
Yourself
Someone
Is
Going
To
Spam
You
They
Can
Just
Take
It
Right
And
It's
Not
Like
Those
Things
Are
Signed
Or
Encrypted
I
Mean
Anyone
Can
Take
Them
And
Use
Them
Yeah
And
You
Know
What
I
Also
To
Come
Back
To
What
You
Said
About
The
Address
Yes
Certain
Addresses
Are
More
Believable
Than
Others
I'll
Admit
Right
Now
That
I
Went
Out
And
Registered
A
Few
Gmail
Names
That
They
Could
Very
Easily
Fool
People
With
Phishing
I
Was
Surprised
That
They
Made
Them
Available
For
Example
Webmaster
At
Gmail
Dot
Com
Was
Not
Available
You
Know
That
One
They
Obviously
Took
Care
Of
But
There
Were
Some
Other
Things
That
Were
Similar
To
That
Could
Be
Believable
You
Know
Webmaster
Was
Not
Available
Admin
Was
Not
Available
Administrator
Etc
But
There
Are
Some
Things
That
Could
Look
Pretty
Darn
Close
To
Real
Or
Look
Pretty
Believable
That
Out
There
And
Only
Reason
I
Would
Never
Use
Them
For
What
These
Other
People
Are
You
Know
But
It
Is
Kind
Of
Funny
In
A
Joking
Novelty
Sort
Of
Way
Not
As
A
You
Know
A
Real
Fishing
Account
Or
A
Real
Attacking
You
Know
It's
All
About
You
Know
They
Made
It
First
Of
All
That
They
Made
These
Addresses
Available
They
Allowed
Somebody
To
Register
This
Address
So
You
Know
Maybe
They
Should
Have
Had
A
Little
Bit
Better
Filtering
On
What
Names
They
Made
Available
You
Know
Maybe
They
Should
Not
Have
Let
Anybody
Have
Any
Sort
Of
Name
With
The
Construct
A
D
M
I
N
Maybe
They
Shouldn't
Have
Made
That
Available
In
Any
Way
Shape
Or
Form
No
Admin
One
No
31337
Admin
Online
You
Know
Nothing
With
Admin
In
The
Title
Yep
It's
Like
Names
But
People
Would
Of
Course
Spoof
It
By
Having
Like
A
Number
One
For
The
Eye
Or
Something
Right
And
That's
My
You
Know
A
Perfect
Pimp
Of
My
Article
On
Elite
Speak
And
That's
Exactly
Where
It
Comes
In
And
Where
It
Can
Be
Used
And
People
Read
It
Real
Fast
And
They
Don't
Notice
It
Yeah
Yep
Now
This
Is
All
Well
And
Good
You
Know
We
Talked
About
Phishing
And
What
It
Is
Which
You
Know
To
A
Certain
Extent
I
Mean
A
Lot
Of
People
Know
This
We're
Addressing
It
In
An
Organized
Fashion
Here
To
Talk
About
It
And
As
It
Applies
To
This
Specific
Case
With
Gmail
But
Here's
A
Much
Bigger
Point
That
I
Want
To
Bring
Up
Gmail
Is
Doing
Something
That
Other
Places
Have
Done
As
Well
And
We
Talked
14
I
Think
Yeah
Episode
14
Of
Binary
Revolution
Radio
Where
We
Talked
About
Single
Sign
On
Okay
Or
Any
Type
Of
Single
Point
Of
Authentication
And
This
Is
Something
That
Google
Is
Doing
Now
When
You
Have
An
Account
With
Gmail
It's
Not
Just
A
Gmail
Account
That's
A
Google
Account
That
You
May
Also
Have
Access
To
Google
Groups
Or
Google
Answers
Or
Any
Of
The
Other
Google
Services
But
You
Only
Log
In
Once
To
Get
To
Any
And
All
Of
Them
So
When
You
Give
Up
This
Account
When
You
Give
Up
That
Information
And
These
Fishers
Or
These
People
Fishermen
Is
That
A
Proper
Term
I've
Never
Heard
That
Before
These
Fishers
Or
These
Fishermen
Or
Fisher
People
To
Be
Gender
In
Specific
We're
Equal
Opportunity
Exactly
We
Need
More
Female
Packers
Oh
You
Very
Dangerous
Even
Though
It's
Simple
Even
Though
It's
Something
That
Only
One
In
A
Thousand
Or
Even
One
In
Ten
Thousand
Fall
For
You
Know
Most
People
Are
For
The
Most
Part
It
Is
Still
A
Very
Big
Threat
And
It's
Huge
Because
Not
Only
Does
This
One
Password
And
Username
Have
Access
To
It
I
Bet
Your
Username
At
Ebay
Or
At
Amazon
Or
At
Hotmail
I
Bet
They're
All
Pretty
Similar
And
I
Bet
Your
Password
Is
Probably
The
Same
Exactly
The
Longest
Time
I
Used
The
Same
Name
And
The
Password
At
All
Of
These
Websites
Until
I
Really
Stop
To
Think
Wait
What
The
Sites
Like
Barnes
Noble
And
They're
Trying
Variations
Of
Your
Name
Probably
Your
Name
And
Your
Birthday
At
The
End
Or
Your
Account
Number
Trying
To
Get
Into
These
Sites
Too
And
It
Does
Not
Stop
Because
Think
About
It
So
You're
Like
Oh
What
Great
Someone
Can
Get
My
Email
No
Not
Only
Did
Somebody
Just
Get
Your
Email
Which
They
Then
Scanned
For
Well
God
Only
Knows
What
You
Have
In
There
Personal
Access
Information
Credit
Card
Numbers
Even
Telephone
Numbers
But
Now
They
Just
Got
Into
eBay
And
So
They
Just
Did
A
Lot
Of
Bidding
For
You
And
They
Just
Got
Into
Amazon
And
You
Check
That
Nice
Little
Fun
Box
And
Remember
My
Credit
Card
Number
And
My
Shipping
Location
So
They
Just
Got
Your
Address
And
This
Is
How
Identities
Get
Stolen
I
You
Start
Building
This
Information
About
Someone
And
You
Can
Start
Applying
For
Credit
Cards
You
Can
Start
Applying
Driver's
Licenses
You
Can
Do
All
Sorts
Of
Nasty
Shit
Yeah
It's
An
Excellent
Point
That
I
Really
Didn't
Think
About
Going
Off
On
That
Tangent
But
It's
Excellent
Point
And
This
Is
Again
Why
Hackers
Have
Been
Saying
For
Years
I
Mean
This
Is
One
Of
Those
Bread
And
Butter
Same
Password
Because
You're
Lazy
Yeah
You
Know
It's
A
Fact
Of
Human
Nature
Yeah
People
Are
Lazy
And
They
Will
Use
The
Same
Password
For
Multiple
Things
So
If
You
Know
That
Somebody's
Got
Accounts
On
Other
Systems
You're
Going
To
Find
A
Same
Or
Similar
Password
You
Know
I
Pimp
Something
Here
Not
Anything
In
Specific
But
People
Have
Created
Applications
To
Compact
This
Thing
They're
Normally
Called
Password
Wallets
Something
Like
That
And
It's
A
Program
On
Your
Computer
Which
Will
Let
You
Randomly
Generate
A
Username
And
A
Password
And
Like
As
Close
To
Actually
What
Random
Is
I
Don't
Want
To
Get
Into
Mathematical
Right
Based
On
Time
And
All
That
They
Will
Have
Essentially
An
Application
And
You
Lock
It
With
A
Single
Password
And
It
Will
Let
You
Generate
Random
Fills
In
Your
Username
And
Password
You
Don't
Have
To
Know
What
They
Are
And
They
Are
Going
To
Be
Nice
And
Random
And
So
If
Somebody
Manages
To
Get
Into
One
Of
Your
Accounts
They
Can't
Get
All
Of
The
Others
Now
Of
Course
If
Someone
Steals
Your
Laptop
And
Is
Able
To
Crack
Your
Wallet
Then
You
Screwed
Because
They
Got
Them
Wild
Are
10
Different
Yeah
And
There's
One
Other
Thing
About
Those
That's
Very
That's
Just
Not
Good
For
Me
Personally
And
I
Presume
A
Lot
Of
People
And
That
Is
You
Know
I
May
Be
On
20
Different
Machines
In
A
Given
Week
You
Know
And
That's
No
Exaggeration
I'm
Easily
On
A
Dozen
It
Just
Doesn't
Work
For
You
So
You
Can't
Really
Carry
That
Around
And
Install
It
Because
It's
Going
To
Have
Different
That
Becomes
A
Logistical
Nightmare
If
You're
At
Home
On
One
Computer
That's
Great
You
Order
Everything
From
The
Same
Computer
That's
Perfect
For
Something
Like
That
But
Of
If
You're
Using
20
Different
Computers
To
Buy
Stuff
From
Amazon.com
Well
That's
True
That's
True
But
I
Mean
As
Far
As
Using
It
For
General
Passwords
For
Sites
Not
Necessarily
Buying
But
Just
As
Your
Centralized
Password
Thing
However
I
Mean
This
Is
Something
Else
I
Also
Wanted
To
Mention
Too
And
That
Is
That
Application
Is
Theoretically
Under
The
Same
Exact
Applet
The
Same
Exact
Scenario
You
Get
One
Password
That
Single
Sign
On
You
Have
Access
To
All
The
Rest
Of
The
Person
So
If
Somebody
Had
Physical
Access
To
Your
Box
Yeah
You're
Screwed
And
You're
Screwed
However
This
Is
Exactly
The
Point
That
I
Wanted
To
Bring
Up
Single
Sign
On
Is
Incredibly
It's
A
Great
Thing
Don't
Get
Me
Wrong
It
Is
A
Very
Good
Thing
And
Very
Useful
And
Handy
And
This
Password
Keeper
Is
Kind
Of
A
Derivation
Of
The
It's
A
Similar
Idea
But
It's
Very
Useful
In
Internal
Networks
And
Internal
Applications
And
Local
Stuff
Where
You
Also
Have
To
Have
Physical
Access
To
The
Computers
Then
You
Have
A
Whole
Another
Layer
Of
Security
Physical
Security
Is
A
Layer
Of
Security
I
Don't
Care
What
Anybody
Says
Physical
Security
Combined
With
Network
Security
Is
The
Ultimate
Solution
So
When
You
Have
To
Require
Somebody
To
Be
Inside
Of
Your
Network
Or
Your
Office
Or
Something
Like
That
You
Have
A
Lot
More
Control
Obviously
The
Bigger
Companies
You
Can't
Keep
Track
Of
Everybody
And
That's
Where
A
Lot
Of
People
Try
To
Get
In
I
Guess
A
Lot
Of
The
Real
Well
I
Won't
It's
Nothing
To
Do
With
Hacking
But
That's
What
A
Lot
Of
Thieves
Will
Do
They'll
Break
Into
Buildings
And
Get
Physical
Access
To
Computers
And
Stuff
Like
That
And
That's
Because
It
Requires
Physical
access
And
That
Is
A
Very
Valid
My
Point
On
That
Is
Single
Sign
On
Can
Be
Very
Useful
And
It's
Not
Necessarily
A
Bad
Thing
It
Just
Has
To
Be
Deployed
Right
And
Any
Type
Of
Single
Sign
On
Or
Single
Point
Of
Authentication
Of
Any
Type
Over
The
Internet
Is
Always
Going
To
Be
Dangerous
You
Have
A
Higher
Level
Of
Danger
Because
You
No
Longer
Have
Physical
Security
Layer
In
Place
Like
Look
The
Prime
Example
Of
Real
Online
Thing
Was
Passport
Right
And
Yeah
Back
On
Episode
14
Of
Binary
Revolution
Radio
Which
Is
How
Long
Ago
We're
On
63
We
Went
Into
A
Whole
The
Whole
Episode
Was
About
That
Very
Thing
Microsoft
Passport
And
There's
Single
Sign
On
And
The
Potential
Pit
Paws
Of
That
And
People
Have
Been
Cracking
That
Pretty
Much
Since
It's
Been
Deployed
Yeah
And
That's
You
Know
It's
Just
Not
It's
Not
Quite
Ready
Yet
It's
Just
Not
Secure
Enough
Yet
So
Anyway
There's
A
Balance
There
Somewhere
And
Balance
Between
Convenience
And
Security
And
There
Always
Has
Been
And
There
Always
Will
Be
And
It's
Just
A
Question
Of
Somebody
Has
To
Draw
Some
Lines
And
I
Guess
That's
Really
All I
Have
To
Say
About
Phishing
And
This
Particular
Case
This
Case
Was
Just
A
Platform
For
Us
To
Talk
About
Phishing
And
Some
Logistics
Of
It
And
How
It
Works
And
Some
Of
The
Pitfalls
And
Stuff
Of
It
And
I
Think
We
I
Think
We
Covered
It
Pretty
Well
I
Am
Is
There
Anything
Else
We
Probably
Missed
Well
Don't
Do
It
I
Know
What
I
Know
What
You
Actually
Maybe
You
Can
Talk
The
Consequences
Oh
Well
Yeah
I
Mean
Granted
If
AOL
Ever
Comes
And
Tracks
Me
Down
And
I
Completely
Deny
But
I
Did
It
A
Time
Or
Two
On
AOL
Back
In
The
When
I
Was
A
Teenager
But
The
Consequences
Of
It
Especially
If
You're
Using
It
To
Defraud
To
Identities
Is
Huge
I
Mean
First
Of
All
As
Soon
As
You
Email
Someone
Saying
Hi
I
Am
Such
And
Financial
Banking
Officer
I
Believe
That
Right
Impersonating
Certain
People
Is
Or
Felony
Right
And
So
Immediately
You're
In
Federal
Area
If
You're
If
You're
Sending
It
To
People
Across
You're
Going
Across
State
Lines
There's
A
Felony
Which
Pretty
Much
You
Can
Assume
Anything
You're
Doing
Over
The
Internet
You're
Going
Across
State
Lines
Even
If
Your
ISP
Is
Simply
Across
State
Lines
And
It's
Coming
Right
Back
Into
Your
State
You've
Got
Fraud
As
Soon
As
You
Use
A
Password
You
Get
From
Phishing
You
Violate
The
Computer
Fraud
And
Abuse
Act
Because
You're
Accessing
A
System
That
You
Do
Not
Have
Access
To
It
Is
Just
It's
Nasty
You
Certainly
Should
Not
Do
It
I'm
Glad
To
See
The
U.S.
Government
Passing
Some
Of
These
Strict
Laws
Because
Identity
Is
That
It's
Only
Going
To
Get
Worse
As
More
People
Get
Broadband
More
People
Are
Hopping
Online
Like
Everyone
And
Their
Grandma
Is
On
The
Internet
Now
And
That's
What
They're
Praying
On
They're
Not
Praying
On
You
And
Me
They're
Praying
On
Your
Family
That's
In
Town
Visiting
Sally
In
Accounting
Who
Will
Run
Anything
You
Ask
Her
To
Run
And
You're
Always
Going
To
Have
Those
Types
People
And
The
Only
Thing
You
Can
Do
Is
Try
To
Educate
Them
Right
Absolutely
Now
I
Think
That
Is
Probably
About
All
We
Can
Talk
About
Now
Speak
Up
Here
We're
Going
To
Close
Out
I
Guess
Yeah
Let's
Skip
I
Mean
We've
Got
A
Full
Show
Right
There
And
I
Do
Think
We
Covered
That
Pretty
Well
And
Yeah
The
Consequences
Far
Out
Raised
The
Risk
Far
Out
Raised
The
Reward
In
This
Case
And
The
Reward
Is
Subjective
The
Reward
Of
You
Know
It's
Not
Something
That
Most
Hackers
Most
Excuse
Me
I
Actually
I
Should
Say
Most
I
Need
To
Quantify
This
Somehow
Most
White
Hat
Hackers
Most
Moral
Hackers
Most
Hackers
That
Abide
By
The
Hacker
Ethic
Would
Not
Want
Or
Need
As
A
Reward
Anyway
Yeah
Exactly
So
The
Risks
Far
Just
My
Opinion
Yeah
I
Mean
What
The
Hell
Are
We
Going
To
Do
With
Credit
Card
Numbers
I
Mean
We
Already
Have
Jobs
I
Mean
We
Don't
Really
Need
That
Yeah
That's
That
Other
Misperception
That
We're
All
You
Know
On
Welfare
Something
Or
We
All
You
Know
Don't
Have
Our
Money
I
Mean
Not
Rich
By
Any
Means
But
I
Pay
Bills
You
Know
Yeah
Anyway
Let's
Close
Out
Here
Let's
Jump
To
Our
Shout
Outs
And
Actually
I
Already
Started
One
Earlier
And
That
Was
Shouting
Out
To
Kizzle
Go
Check
Out
Hackermedia
Dot
Net
Central
Place
Where
You
Can
Look
Up
All
These
Different
Shows
People
Will
Post
When
They
Got
A
New
Version
Or
A
New
Episode
Of
The
Show
Available
So
You
Can
Find
It
On
One
Spot
And
The
Links
To
Download
It
And
Stuff
Like
That
Very
Cool
Idea
Very
Well
Implemented
By
Kizzle
So
Big
Shouts
To
Him
And
Some
Shouts
To
Black
Ratchet
This
Is
A
Guy
Who
Has
Come
To
The
Forums
Fairly
Recently
And
He
Has
Been
Working
On
Projects
That
Are
Just
Fun
Stuff
I
Like
Anybody
Who
Is
Actually
Producing
Something
Or
Working
On
A
Project
No
Matter
How
Big
No
Matter
How
Small
And
He
Had
A
Couple
Projects
That
I
Like
Where
He
Just
Says
You
Know
What
I
Just
Want
To
Do
This
To
See
If
I
Can
I
Just
Want
To
Do
This
For
The
Fun
Of
It
Or
I
Want
To
Do
It
Because
No
One
Else
Has
Done
Or
I
See
A
Gap
Anybody
That's
Producing
Something
And
Actually
Going
Out
Trying
Things
I
Give
Absolute
Big
Credits
Big
Shout
Unnecessary
I'm
Sure
They
Get
A
Lot
Of
Shouts
And
Pats
On
The
Back
But
The
Firefox
And
Thunderbird
Project
Teams
You
Know
Firefox
Is
Just
Awesome
It
Really
Is
A
Great
Product
Stable
I
Gotta
Say
I
Just
Updated
To
1.0
PR
And
I
Watch
It
Over
Time
I
Was
Starting
To
Have
A
Problem
With
The
.93
I
Think
It
Was
Where
It
Was
Really
Draining
Some
PR
It
Seems
To
Be
Okay
Now
So
It
Even
When
It
Was
Using
Some
Memory
It
Is
Still
Less
Than
Internet
Explorer
Does
It
Is
Still
A
Good
Project
So
Definitely
Shouts
To
Those
Guys
Big
Thumbs
Up
To
That
And
Go
Ahead
The
Open
Floor
Take
It
Away
I
Definitely
Have
To
Give
Props
To
Bod
Byrne
I
Would
Enjoy
Seeing
This
Talk
Up
At
Freak
Nick
I
Have
Props
To
Dolomite
Who
Is
The
Organizer
Of
Freak
Nick
I
Am
Sure
He
Has
Been
Sending
Emails
Keeping
The
Speakers
Up
To
Date
Telling
Us
About
Their
Filming
They
Showing
It
Over
The
Hotel
Closed
Circuit
Television
All
The
Talks
They
Videotape
Them
There
Is
A
Great
Group
Of
Guys
Up
There
In
Nashville
That
Put
On
The
Conference
So
Props
To
Them
I
Looking
forward
To
That's
About
It
Certainly
Props
To
You
Stank
For
Having
Me
On
The
Show
Again
It
Is
Far
Too
Long
I
Need
To
Be
Back
More
Often
We'd
Love
To
Have
You
More
Often
Well
I'd
Love
To
Have
You
More
Involved
In
A lot
Of
Things
Actually
And
Like I
Say
We
You
I
Called
You
Out
In
California
We
Talk
About
A lot
Of
A lot
Of
Good
Stuff
Actually
Oh
Yeah
Definitely
Good
Stuff
We've
Got
To
Come
Up
With
Something
We're
Going
To
Come
Up
In
Nashville
I'll
Have
To
Bring
The
Video
Camera
If
You
Know
What
I
Mean
Oh
Yes
Okay
So
We're
Going
To
Come
Up
With
Something
For
That
Email
If
You
Have
Feedback
On
The
Show
As
Usual
You
Can
Always
Email
Us
At
Radio
At
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
Our
Closing
Music
Today
There's
Actually
This
Guy
He
Goes
By
Brad
Sucks
You
Can
Go
To
Brad
Sucks
Dot
Net
He's
One
Of
My
Favorites
I
Close
The
Show
Out
With
Him
Quite
A
Bit
And
Someone
Has
Done
A
Cover
Of
One
Of
His
Songs
Someone
Goes
By
The
Name
Of
Henrietta
And
She
Did
A
Cover
Of
His
Song
We're
Not
Friends
And
I
Think
This
Is
Just
A
Really
Cool
Song
And
A
Really
Good
Stuff
And
Also
I'm
Not
Going
To
Do
This
Regularly
Closing
Quote
Or
Anything
But
I
Did
Stumble
Across
A
Quote
This
Week
I
Stumbled
I
Stumbled
If
I
Could
Type
I
Stumbled
Across
A
Quote
I
Was
Reading
A
Book
On
Cyber
Ethics
I
Sometimes
Randomly
Pick up
Books
And
Read
Them
Reading
A
Book
On
Cyber
Ethics
And
I
Found
An
Interesting
Quote
Written
At
The
Top
Of
One
Of
The
Chapters
And
I
Wrote
It
Down
I
Was
So
Interested
By
It
And
I'm
Going
To
Just
Share
It
Because
Last
Week
We
Talked
About
Law
We
Talked
About
The
Hackers
And
The
Law
And
How
It
Affects
Them
And
We
Talked
About
DMCA
And
Some
Of
That
Stuff
Well
This
Is
A
Comment
To
Me
That's
Very
Profound
If
You
Think
About
This
And
This
Is
A
Quote
From
David
Post
Professor
Of
Law
From
Temple
University
And
He
Says
Quote
If
Seven
Million
People
Are
Stealing
They
Aren't
Stealing
And
I'll
Let
You
Guys
Interpret
That
And
Read
Into
It
What
You
Will
I
Like
That
I
It's
So
Profound
In
Such
A
Simplistic
Way
Because
You
Know
What
It's
Something
Bigger
Than
You
Know
What
I
Don't
I'm
Not
Even
Going
To
Explain
I
Will
Let
People
Interpret
It
As
They
Will
It's
A
Show
For
Another
Time
You
Know
All
About
The
Business
Model
Of
The
RIAA
And
Whether
It's
Horribly
Outdated
Or
Not
That
Alone
Is
A
Show
If
Seven
Million
People
Are
Doing
Something
Wrong
It's
Not
Wrong
You
Know
That
Could
Be
Anyway
Yeah
So
We
Have
Really
Smart
Listeners
I'm
Sure
They
Know
Exactly
What
Constitutional
Amendment
That
Bush
Is
Pushing
I
Mean
It
Can
Apply
To
Lots
Of
Stuff
I
Guess
I'm
A
Firm
True
Constitutionalist
Myself
So
Anyway
Yeah
That
Could
Go
Into
A
Whole
Another
Thing
Let's
We're
Going
To
Wrap
The
Show
Up
We
Got
Again
This
Was
Another
Great
Show
I
Thank
You
Very
Much
For
Being
On
The
Show
Again
I
Do
Appreciate
It
Thank
You
Long
Enough
To
Be
Still
For
Five
Minutes
But
For
Now
We're
Going
To
Wrap
It
Up
For
This
Week
And
Tell
Everybody
That
We
Will
See
Them
Again
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
Things
Have
Change
But
I
Swear
I
Feel
The
Same
You
Been
Loosing
Up
Storm
Since
You
Were
Born
Pulled
Out
A
Car
Crash
With
A
Switch
Blade
And
Nine
And
I
Know
There
Something
Strange
About
Your
Life
Oh
Yeah
Since
You
Were
Not
Around
I
Don't
Have
To
Let
You
Down
I
Can't
Say
I
Mind
You
Oh
Honey
We're
Not
Friends
Yeah
Since
You
Were
Not
Around
I
Don't
Have
To
Let
You
Down
I
Can
Say
I
Mind
Oh
Honey
We're
Not
Honey
We're
Not
Friends
Something
Inspired
Girl
Friends
Liars
People
Coming
Out
Just
To
Shake
My
Hand
Oh
I
Think
You
Know
We're
Gonna
Let
You
Go
If
There's
A
Reason
I
Don't
Know
If
I
If
I
Understand
Since
You're
Not
Around
I
Don't
Have
Let
You
Down
I
Can
Say
I
Mind
Oh
Honey
We're
Not
Friends
Yeah
Since
You're
Not
Around
I
Don't
Have
To
Let
You
Down
I
Can
Say
I
Mind
Oh
Honey
We're
Not
Honey
We're
Not
Friends
I
Ain't
W
Not
I
Don't
I don't have to let you down I can't say I might, you know
Honey, we're not friends, yeah Since you're not around
I don't have to let you down I can't say I might, you know
Honey, we're not, honey, we're not friends Since you're not around
I don't have to let you down I can't say I might, you know
Honey, we're not friends, yeah Since you're not around
I don't have to let you down I can't say I might, you know
Honey, we're not, honey, we're not friends
Honey, we're not friends