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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
To CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back
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Denny Crane
No, actually this is Stank Dog
And you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode 6 to the 6
That's 66 for those of you who don't speak
Whatever language it is I'm speaking
Luckily for you all, my co-host does speak that language
The Deuce to the Deuce 5
That's right
2-2-2-5
Who's near the 6-2-6
Oh man
And let's see
This is October 12, 2004
Like I said, episode 66
And we've got a lot, a lot
Like a whole lot of email this week
So let's not mess around
Let's just jump right into it
Into the housekeeping
I actually got a couple little housekeeping things to talk about
I was going to say
What the hell are you talking about, Stank?
Well, I put the housekeeping includes email
And some other topics
So let's get these other things over with
First of all
Distributed.net team
I just go check on it once in a while
And it's been a little while since I've looked
And I just went back and checked
And we are blowing up the distributed.net charts
We're climbing
We're almost in on the top 100
I think we're at like 112, 111 right now
And the numbers that we're putting up
Were very, very, very possible
And likely
To break into the top 100 sometime soon
Maybe by the end of the year for sure
If we keep going with what we're doing now
Wow
And actually the numbers that we're putting up
When you look at them on a day-to-day basis
What we're putting up now
Is we're actually up there with the top 50
But we kind of got a late jump
And as people started joining on
So we kind of fell behind
And now we're catching back up
But we're actually putting up numbers
On par with the top 50 teams
So
Really, quite frankly
It's all Bob Nino
And Pixel Fiend
Logan 5
Anybody that's got a Mac
Shooting right up to the top of our list
The Macs are just absolute number crunchers
There's no debating it
There's no doubt about it
The Macs are kicking ass
Wow
Don't you agree with how much Macs kick ass?
Um
Yeah
And you know what
I'm honestly
I'm kind of tempted
Like the Mac stores
I don't know if you
In your area, Lucky
But like here they
Supposedly they encourage you
To go in the store
And play with the machines
They want you
And allow you to play
With the boxes they have on display
To
I guess hopefully you'll fall in love with it
And buy some of the things
So if they encourage it
I'm thinking of going in there
With a USB key
And dropping this
Distributed client on those things
And let them work
They've got internet connection
They're on display
They welcome you using them
Interesting
You know
I was talking to Kirst earlier
I think he was getting a job
Or something
At one of these stores
Maybe I'll have him run one
Oh hell yeah
On all the computers in there
Hell yeah
Put it on the cash register
If you can
Sorry
We are unable
To process your credit card
Right now
Because the bandwidth
Is being used
Actually it doesn't use bandwidth
But it'll use the CPU
But anyway
Yeah
So yeah
I might just do that
I got some other
Things in store
For the Mac store anyway
Got some other ideas
In store for the Mac store anyway
Some Hack TV segments
I'm thinking about
So actually you know what
Maybe we should do that
While we're in Nashville
Mac TV
Yeah Mac TV
Shut up
Maybe we should do that
While we're in Nashville
So we don't get
Cause any trouble
You know
Where we live
Alright anyway
Another thing I wanted to bring up
And you know what
I'm kind of bummed about this
I think this is funny in a way
But I'm also kind of pissed in a way
I just found this out
Just before
I got on the phone with Lucky
Or actually right when
We got on the phone
I tried to send
The show notes
To Lucky
Through a Gmail account
And
I thought
You tried to send them
Through a Hotmail account
Well I did that
I tried to send them
Through Hotmail
Hotmail is the suck sore
So I went over to Gmail
But the thing is
On my Gmail account
I have mentioned before
I think it was back
I think Acidus
Was on the show with me
Two or three
Three or four episodes ago
When we talked about Gmail
And they were having
A phishing problem
There was a really
Really well done
Phishing mail
Purporting to be
From Gmail staff
Asking people
For their usernames
Passwords
And whatever information
And we remarked
About how realistic
It works
And how some of the
Flaws
And the way
They'd set it up
And I mentioned
That I had a couple
Accounts
A couple of accounts
That could be interpreted
As phishing accounts
They were really
To me
They were funny
And I thought
It was just kind of funny
To send somebody
An email
From these accounts
Just to freak them out
I would never
Use them for phishing
And I have never
Used them for phishing
But I mentioned it
On the show
And I even kind of
Mentioned
You know
Some of the things
That they could do
To fix some of these things
I didn't specifically
Give them out
Well apparently
Somebody at Google
Listens to the show
Because both of my
Accounts
Were locked
They froze
Two of my accounts
The two accounts
That I was
Specifically talking about
They did not close up
My stankdog
At gmail.com account
But they locked up
These other two accounts
Well they will now
Well yeah
They probably will now
Me and my big mouth
No I'll have to go back
And like
Mix that out
Or something like that
I'll put a
I'll put a censored
Beep over it
Or something
Beep
At gmail.beep
Well look
I'll tell you this
I mean I've
I've said some
Pretty good things
About gmail
On the show
Some bad things
Now mostly good things
It's okay
If I find out
Listen
By the next episode
If they lock out
My stankdog
At gmail.com account
I'll be pissed
And I will go
Slap off
On somebody
I don't
Where is Google
Are they in Redmond
Where the hell
Is Google located
I will
I'm going to
Put my Google foot
In somebody's Google ass
If they block my account
Actually I'm not sure
Where Google is
I don't know either
That's
You know what
Let's put that
To the audience
Somebody can email us
And let us know
Where Google is located
I'm sure it's
Probably easy to find
Yeah
Who is google.com
Yeah
Well
You never know
They might be
Through an agency
Of some kind
Oh
But anyway
That's all I had
For that kind of topics
Now let me
Let me play
The email theme music
Do we have
I think that's
That's all right
That's all
Yeah
So let me play
The email theme music
And then we'll do
Some email
All right
And the first email
Is from someone
Boy we got a lot of email
This week
From someone
Who I'm going to
Keep anonymous
And we always
Start off with this
Email quite a bit
It says
In the beginning
Of your radio talk show
In season one
There is a song
That starts out going
I see binary
I speak source code
Oh my god
Really
Are you serious
Where did you get
That song
Stink
Well actually
This is not
This is actually
A legitimate question
He actually
He or she
This person says
I checked the website
By Zerl
To download it
But it's not
The same opening theme
Do you know
Where I could
Download that song
It's really good
And I'd like to
Get a copy of it
If possible
Now this isn't
Exactly like
The normal one
That we get
And we always
Make a joke
Zerl.com
Shut the fuck up
It's Zerl.com
But this guy
Actually
This person
I keep saying guy
I don't know
If it's a guy
Or a girl
But this person
Actually saw
Zerl.com
Linked and went there
And I guess
Couldn't find it
After he got to the site
Well it's on the second page
Isn't it
Actually he just
Recently redesigned
The site
Like within the past
Month or two
So yeah
He's kind of
Shook it up a little bit
It went down
For a little while there
So he brought it back up
With kind of a new look
So it's a little bit
Trickier to find
But I mean
Look around
It's there
It is definitely there
And there's two versions
Of it available
And we've played both
On the show
In the past
There's the original version
Which is
What we
Our opening theme
Is based off of
And then there's
The Matrix remix
And we've used that
To close out the show
Before
At least once
So there are two versions
Of it there
So
But I'm not quite sure
What you mean by
It's not the same
As the one we
Opened the show with
I mean that
That is the song
We opened the show
With the original version
Yeah
The only other thing
I'm thinking
Is that
I did
Do a little
Mix
A little bit
Huh?
You cut it up
A little bit
Yeah
I cut it up
Remixed it
Whatever you want to call it
I chopped it
To make it a little bit shorter
Because I don't want to
Open the show
With a five minute song
Every week
Well I think
I think this person
Probably just
Found the Matrix version
And can't find the original
Yeah
Keep looking around there
And it should be there
And I will go verify it myself
Someday
And if I find it's not there
Myself
I'll put it somewhere
I'll see what the story is
But I'm almost
I'm 99.9% sure
That it's there
So
I mean
Again
I'm sure he doesn't want
My one minute
For opening
One minute and ten seconds
Or whatever it is
Opening version
I mean I chopped
Because I like the end verse
I like the opening
And closing
I kind of
Frankenstein my own version
Together
And I don't
I'm not going to
Put that up for download
I'm not going to
Butcher the song
The song is awesome
As it is the full version
So
Yeah go download
Cool Edit
If you want to do that
Yeah
Make your own remix of it
Something like that
So yeah
Just go look again
I'm pretty sure
That it's there
And if
Like I said
If I find out
That it's not
I will put it
Somewhere to download
Not a problem
I'm sure he's
Totally cool with that
Okay
So
Email number two
Comes from
Ponyboy
Oh yeah
Who says
Stankdog
I recently downloaded
My first episode
Of BinRev Radio
Episode 60
Nice one by the way
And liked it
So I thought
I'd check out the mag
But I don't have
A credit card
I was wondering
If there'd be
Any other possible ways
I could get you guys
The money
I was thinking
Perhaps
A money order
If that's okay
With you
Okay
Unfortunately
We can't take money
Orders for the magazine
It's just
Too much of a hassle
Quite honestly
I'm not going to
Sugarcoat it
It's just too much
Of a pain in the ass
For me to deal with
What are you talking
About dude
Have the money
Orders sent to me
I'll fucking cash
And I'll send you
The cash
If you want to
Take that on
I will take that
Responsibility
Because the other thing
Is I also have
An announcement
Another unfortunate
Announcement
Is that
We have
In the past
What we've done
Is allow them
To send cash
To the PO box
The RFA PO box
And that was up
On the web pages
And unfortunately
We're not going to
Be able to do that
Any longer either
That's something
That Dual Parallel
Had taken care of
In the past
And he's not going
To be able to do that
At least for the back issues
He's got the current
Issues available
But the back issues
We're not going to be able
To get those by cash
The only way you're going
To be able to get
Those back issues
From now on
Is through the website
Through PayPal
Unless
Our co-host here
Lucky to do vibe
Is volunteering
Something impromptu
Here that I wasn't
Prepared for
Yeah man
I can PayPal you
The cash
If someone sends me
A money order
Or if you want
To send me the issues
And then I'll just
Ship them out
The same day
That's fine
I would prefer
If our listeners
Are going to make
A money order
I would prefer
That they use
A US postal money order
So I can cash it
The same day
I pick it up
At the P.O. Box
Okay so
You guys heard that
If you're interested
In that
We will look into that
And I will update
The web pages
Accordingly
Yeah
With the new
P.O. Box
1-1-1-1
Is that what it's going to be?
It's going to be
P.O. Box
11-11-11-Gfloss
D.-A.
CALIFORNIA
91743
Make your money
Order's out
To cash
Or just leave
Pay to the order
Blank
And if you want
To send checks
I only accept
Certain types of checks
You'd have to
Check me before that
Okay
Very cool offer
Thank you very much
For that
Yeah
Wasn't prepared
For that
But that would
Help out
It's just too much
Of a hassle
For me
To deal with it
So it's good
to have another option
because I do know
I totally understand
that people don't want
to deal with
with PayPal
because either
A they don't trust them
have had bad experience
with them
don't want to give
that information out
etc
and I respect that
but I just
cannot deal with it
myself
so luckily
lucky here
is going to be able
to help you guys out
yeah
alright
well
I guess
I guess you're the man
now so
yeah
and let's move on
to another email
here
let's see
and this one is
from Cyberlord
Cyberlord says
I just figured
I'd pass this
along to you
I recently had
my brother-in-law
down for a short visit
everything was cool
until about the
fourth day he was here
I woke up that morning
and my internet
had died
like any respectable
nethead
I called Cox up
to see what the
bloody problem was
they gave me a number
to their security
center and a report
number so I
blindly called
come to find out
my wife had rebooted
my computer while
cleaning
and my firewall
failed to reload
correctly
probably Microsoft
Universal Studios
had searched my
computer somehow
and found a copy
of
Spider-Man 2
that my brother-in-law
had downloaded
then they emailed
Cox Security
to have my internet
account shut off
wait one second
Universal hacked
my computer through
Cox told Cox
about it and Cox
didn't start shit
with them
what the fuck
happened to
customer privacy
the security guy
on the phone told
me if I didn't
delete the file
before they scanned
my computer
they would be
forced to find
me
so now Universal
and Cox both
claim to have
free access to
my computer
not today buddy
anyway the moral
of the story is
don't trust shit
if you have
something on your
computer that
shouldn't be
found burn
it or do
what I did
and encrypt
everything not
being directly
used by wind
blows otherwise
shit could get
real stupid
real fast
fuck cocks
and fuck
their fines
I need to
find some
local Wi-Fi
to jack
just thought I
would I should
let you know
what I found
out on their
side of the
world keep up
the good work
wow
now this
particular email
first of all
it's a little
bit vague
I just want to
say it's a little
bit vague
you say they
searched your
computer somehow
I don't
I'm not buying
it
I don't know
if that's
I don't
I mean I
would need to
see some
evidence of
exactly what
you mean
I'm not saying
I don't buy it
but I'm just
saying you're
jumping to a
conclusion maybe
I'm guessing
that what
probably happened
is the same
thing we've
heard stories of
in the past
that you had
some kind of
peer-to-peer
software
you had
Kazar running
you had
something running
and they
do see
who's sharing
files and
where the
IP resolves
to
they didn't
necessarily
search your
computer
they saw
that you
were sharing
a copy
of Spider-Man
2 and
they started
downloading it
or saw that
you had it
for download
they saw
your IP
address and
they probably
contacted Cox
Cable
they've done
it to many
other people
it's nothing
new
you know
so I presume
that's what
happened
I don't
think anybody
quote hacked
your computer
or searched
you know
got on and
broke in and
searched it as
you seem to
think
at least I
sure as hell
hope that
didn't happen
unless he's got
a file share
running
well that doesn't
make it okay for
them to come on
and search either
yeah I know
I totally agree
with you
now like I was
discussing with you
before the show
stink I'm sorry
but I'm thinking
this email itself
might be bogus
just because
dude like the guy
can't type
and he's typing
he's typing with
like ones and
threes and shit
yeah but I
can't type
and I put ones
and threes in
sometimes
yeah yeah but
not on every
freaking thing
yeah but you
use fearness for
every other word
people would
consider you
can't speak
you say that
you can't
speak English
because you
can't say a
sentence without
the word
fearness in it
I can't speak
English alright
I speak
hack store
my
google.com
it's like
google.com
slash international
slash xx
hack store
yeah yeah
so
yeah you know
and actually
this got me
thinking about
something else
I think it's
probably legit
I mean I
typed quick
sloppy emails
I mean I'm
not the
grammar police
I'm not the
spelling police
here
alright well
I'm just saying
alright well
if it turns out
that I
yeah I'll
say that I
was had
and you
I just think
it looks
bogus
to me
that's all
I'm saying
alright
bogus
to me
duly
noted
but again
yeah we've
heard this
before
we've read
stories on
the web
about it
and I
do think
it's a
double
standard
that they
can invade
our privacy
and stuff
like that
but we're
not allowed
to do it
to them
that's the
thing
we're not
allowed to
watch what
they do
they're always
trying to
cover their
tracks
and keep
them from
being
keep us
from finding
out information
about them
but it's
okay for
them to be
big brother
on us
see I don't
like that
let's say
this was
just a
simple case
of
peer to
peer
he had
peer to
peer running
they saw
that he was
sharing a
file
got his
IP address
and then
reported them
to Cox
let's assume
that is what
happened
that they
didn't actually
break in the
computer
let's assume
that was
what happened
I'm not
sure
that that
still
constitutes
see I
it got me
wondering this
you don't
as a user
at home
you don't
want them
on your
computer
you did
not
authorize
them
to even
look at
your computer
or the
files that
you're sharing
on your
computer
I would
love to
see somebody
flip the
script on
them and
actually file
a suit or
start filing
complaints or
a class action
suit against
them for
unauthorized
access of a
computer system
if they're just
doing it on
peer to peer
you're already
letting anyone
who goes on
the share
but by the
nature of
peer to
peer it's
sharing with
each other
it's sharing
they're not
sharing per se
and you can
choose who you
share with and
who you don't
you can kick
people and
stuff like that
it doesn't
inherently assume
that you're
giving everyone
access
you're only
giving access
to those who
share back
and some of
them it's
built in the
protocol
if you don't
share your
own files you
can't download
others and
that's a little
different but
I don't know
I'm not saying
that it would
work
I'm just
saying it
would be
interesting
to see
somebody find
a loophole
like that
where they
actually counter
attack
another thing
that pisses
me off is
the RIAA
and the MPAA
keep pushing
this bullshit
you can even
go to some
movie theaters
and they'll
have this
little rated
I illegal
downloading
they keep
pushing that
downloading is
illegal when
it's not
and I mean
this right here
would just
fucking prove it
because just
because they
see that you're
sharing a file
name that
happens to be
named
spider-man 2
the movie
dot mpeg
does not mean
that that's
actually the
movie of
spider-man 2
right and
actually sub-zero
actually told a
story exactly
like that of
what they did
at their
university is
they created
a file and
I don't remember
what the movie
was they created
a file of
let's say
spider-man 2
just for
argument's sake
and what they
did is they
took a home
digital video
camera and
they put it
against the
wall in their
dorm room and
they filmed it
for two hours
just the wall
that's it
and then they
saved it and
encoded it as
an AVI or
whatever it was
so that it
looked like it
was the right
file size the
right format the
right length and
they named it
spider-man 2 and
they did put it
up for sharing on
peer-to-peer
they got a
threatening letter
all they did was
search for the
name and start
grabbing IP
addresses they may
even have a bot
a bot somehow
that automates the
whole process and
just grabs the IP
of when it finds a
name but they did
get in trouble they
get well excuse me
they didn't get in
trouble they got
report they
threatened by
the MPAA their
university the
university security
contacted them
about it to which
they said yes we
do have a file of
that name let me
show you what it
is and they showed
the security at the
university which I
thought was really
cool that the
university security
listened to them
gave them the
benefit of the
doubt and then
laughed about it
afterwards and
said ha ha you
really got them so
they did not get in
any trouble for it in
the long term but
yes they searched for
the name and found
it and it was only
because they used
that particular
name yeah I mean
and so I mean and
so if they're not
even downloading
these files they
have no evidence
whatsoever that this
is even on your
computer right without
connecting and
actually downloading it
and that might be
and if they're
considering that
illegal then why
are they doing it
yeah I'm saying
there might be some
other loopholes
they're committing
an illegal act but
they're the copyright
owner so I don't
know plus again that
may be unawful
it happens if they
download spider-man
2 and then it
happens to be some
disney pixar movie
and you know that
they downloaded a
copyrighted material
that they don't own
the copyright to
oh well then they'd
be owned then you'd
have them buy the
short hairs on that
one yeah if you
named one of their
movies and showed
put someone else's
on it yeah that
would be that would
be pretty interesting
too but anyway this
and this is the
whole thing there's
all these questions
about it yet they're
trying to pass these
laws what's the new
act that they've got
now the oh geez
what is that new
one against peer-to-peer
called I can't think
of the name of it
it's right on the
tip of my tongue
I haven't heard
about this oh my
goodness I can't
think of the name
of it it's induce
the induce act the
induce act it's all
about peer-to-peer
and shutting it down
but the way they're
defining it is so
broad and so vague
that they're not
the way they've
defined it websites
can be considered
peer-to-peer the
way they work they
could use this new
if this thing gets
passed the way they've
got it worded they
will have a legal
precedent set they
will have a law
passed an act that's
in Congress right
now that's being
voted or pushed for
votes any day now
that would give them
the leverage to start
busting websites even
though it's not
supposed to be it's
supposed to be about
peer-to-peer but
because the way it's
worded it's going to
be used against
people's websites they
want to shut down
they don't know what
they're doing they
need to get technology
people in there to
explain stuff to them
and review this and go
over it oh damn it
how did I get pulled
into a rant I didn't
want to do that damn
I did not want to do
that I get sucked into
these things
I guess so man
damn it all right I'm
going to move off of
that topic because I'm
starting to sweat I get
pissed off
hey I understand you
man
oh man now I'm all
hot we're not even
how long into the show
and I'm all fired up
yeah I've been even
began to uh
and I've got I actually
had a real rant I was
going to kind of close
with if we have time
I haven't began to uh
give you my sweet
loving yet either
man I don't know I'm
going to be worn out
at frigging it I got to
give you sweet loving
I got to give I got to
give droop some sweet
sweet loving down by the
fire I got I don't know
man I got a lot of I'm
getting old man I don't
know if I can perform I
don't know if I can
perform to expectations
all right now that we've
took a really disgusting
slant to the show let's go
back to an email and I'm
sorry Dr. Silk I'm sorry
we segued into your email
with such a terrible image
but Dr. Silk uh said
something but why I just
wanted to talk about one
of the things he said
which is does BinRev
have any local meetings
and I've gotten this
question in the past and
I'm getting it more and
more lately and I've
always just kind of
dismissed it you know to
me it's like we already
have 2600 meetings we
already have DEFCON
meetings and whether you
call it 2600 DEFCON
blah blah blah whatever
you call it I don't really
know that there's any need
for any more of that I
mean it seems kind of like
I don't know so I've
kind of been hesitant
about starting anything
like that but as I'm
starting to get more
emails about it I don't
know maybe I should
I mean I don't know what
I would have to do with
it that's the other thing
I don't have time to like
make some nice website and
organize everybody and put
rules up and this is when
it starts and then keep a
list of where there's
active meetings and and
all that kind of stuff I
don't I just don't have
time for that frankly I
don't I would be all for
and I would be very
supportive of people
doing that if they want
to but I don't know
fine screw you stink I'm
starting my own bin rev
meeting out here first I
know you're listening bin
rev 909 bin rev bin rev
gwasti oh man no I mean I
you know what I guess if you
if some people are sincere
and they want to start
these up I guess email me
and let's talk about it
let's see if there's some
legitimate interest I mean
because I'm all about going
to whatever meeting you
have and if you don't have
one already then yeah maybe
start one because it
doesn't exist but I don't
want to make this into a you
know oh I don't like 2600 I'm
going to change it bin rev and
I let's and try to get
everybody to quit and I don't
want to be a big political
thing but I guess if there's
not a meeting and somebody
wants to start a new
meeting somewhere sure I
guess that's okay but as
far as setting up a page and
a schedule and all that kind
of stuff I can't I can't take
that on right now I've got
too many other things going
on maybe if somebody wants
to volunteer to maintain a
page and keep that
information a nice organized
list of current meetings so
people can find them yeah I
would I would be open to
that I would be open to that
but I don't know some people I
know have been ostracized from
other meetings for one reason
or another so maybe this would
be a way for them to still be a
part of the community
ah sip of sweet iced tea there
okay boy man I gotta speed up
here we get I still got a bunch of
emails to go um another email
from Nick Nick uh who says I
have a bunch of different
issues with my KVM doing weird
things okay this is I have had
some ongoing problems with my
KVM switch um keyboard video
mouse that I'm trying to use to
control four different boxes
here and I've documented in this
past episodes what I've tried and
what works and doesn't or what
doesn't work I haven't found what
works yet yeah so he's talking
about that uh first of all most of
the KVMs don't officially support
non-PS2 mouses or mice is that
mice or mouses I believe it's
mice yeah TS2 mice okay um even if
you are using a USB converter which
I mentioned I am this is a USB
mouse I just put the little
adapter on there and it's always
worked directly to the computer but
it doesn't like it when I put it
through the KVM switch so I'm I'm
just wondering if that's the cause
so he seems to think that that's
also it could be uh now on to the
more interesting stuff my roommate
had problems with his PS2 ports not
giving out enough juice you've got a
power adapter so that's all good
yeah I bought a power adapter as part
of my debugging thinking that would
help still no luck I have one cheap
KVM that won't change if both
computers aren't on that that really
does suck that's kind of pointless
well then again if the other one's not
on I guess there's no need to switch
but whatever um I use basically a
standard imps to mouse with scroll
wheel functions it's an old
Microsoft PS2 mouse with a wheel I
love it turn off USB mouse keyboard
support in your bios I actually broke
the functionality of KVM doing that a
little while ago by doing this turn off
USB keyboard mouse support off in your
bios try digging out an old PS2 mouse
for a while and use imps to in your
x config file if that works it's your
mouse if it doesn't well bitch about
some more and I'll keep scratching my
head by the way I'm using x org but it
was working with the other one x 86
he means x free 86 or something I
forgot the name of it yeah so um yeah
those are absolutely that it's
definitely what you said are the next
steps for me to test no doubt about it
I haven't had time to play with it
since I bitched about it before but
getting it all I have mice laying
around here everywhere in this room I'm
sure I can find an old PS2 mouse of
some kind of see if that acts any
different that's definitely the next
thing to do so I will try that and
disable it in the bios that's another
thing I'm pretty sure I had done that
already but I will verify that and see
if that's the case as well and I'll let
everybody know as I if I find out all
right and again there's no point in me
contacting Belkin and asking them
because they're they're morons Belks of
any kind of tech support I don't even
waste my breath yeah again you're
dealing with Belkin yeah I mean it's
they're all what did I tell you about
this the last time we brought this up
yeah yeah flash Belkin rant let's go on
yeah yeah we've see previous episode
okay and let's see another email this
email is from doom angel and it's good
that we had you back on the show tonight
because he's referring to a previous
episode it says thank dog and lucky 225
in episode 64 you brought up the fact
that the rise of free speech and
information was included in a report on
the increase of cyber crime your
response to the increase in hacker sites
and information was so what and rightly
so one point I would like to point out
is that a crime implies a victim a crime
cannot be committed without a victim
information presented on a web page or
on a radio show cannot be considered a
crime because there is no victim no one
is forced against their will to view or
use the information or your opinion on
a website or other media a browser
window can be closed a computer can be
turned off and a radio can have its
station tuned to another station or
turned off yeah these actions remove a
victim from the equation I guess what I'm
saying if you don't like someone else's
opinion don't listen to it don't read it
and don't google it happy learning and
thanks for the show all right well doom
angel thank you for the email and I you
you have an excellent point there's no
doubt about it and I agree with it
completely but it's not quite that
simple in legal terms in the eyes of the
law there are such things as victimless
crimes unfortunately well I don't know
if I say unfortunately either I'm sure
there's some good examples like you
know and the thing is the term victim
can be defined very liberally I mean the
the RIAA is a victim in the eyes of the
law I sure as hell don't think they're a
victim yeah you know but in the eyes of
the law they are a victim because they're
having their that's just what I was going
to counter with you I mean yeah people
graffiti on the street and shit yeah
there's no victim but then again it
makes the city look all fucked up and
you're doing it on city property so the
city the city is the victim in that case
right so it when you say victimless it's
not a unique it's not a person or an
individual that you can use that as a
broad term right right and in law and in
legal everything in legal legalese is
broad terms they have broad definitions
for everything so yeah I mean I still
agree with the heart of what you're
saying don't get me wrong but that's not
the way our legal system works
unfortunately and and let's be honest
the bigger point of the of the whole
thing is the danger of children getting
access to information or pictures or
whatever you know what children into the
equation that's what causes the
the that that's what they're trying to
protect with all of this stuff yeah and
I'm really getting tired of it because
you know what the government does not
need to be our babysitter if you can't
take care of your kids that's your own
damn fault you know what you know that
kind of information is here so don't
open your fucking legs if you can't
take care of your kid well that's a
whole separate rant which I I kind of
somewhat agree with that in not so
crude terms but I kind of agree with
that that I don't the government shouldn't
be babysitters but the government
shouldn't and no one else should be
either I hate when I go to the movie
theater and they card me when I buy a
rated R ticket I couldn't even be
carded anyways I'm giving them business
why do they care what my age is because
they have laws in place no they don't
have laws in place you're underage
watching a movie you're not entitled to
watch that movie no I'm not entitled
because it's theater policy there's no
law restricting me from seeing it
hmm the ratings are set by the MPAA
which is not a government organization
and the theater is an association of
NATO which is the national association of
theater owners or something like that
so you're telling me it's perfectly
legal for a child to walk into a triple
x play by triple x movies it's just a
rating that the MPAA made after all
right no the MPAA does not rate triple
x movies okay well they rate NC-17
movies can a child buy an NC-17 movie
uh yes if it's if it's not pornography
then yeah they can well NC-17 is state
laws in place that specifically ban
pornography and they define pornography
in such terms that makes it that makes
it illegal well I won't um I won't even
pretend like I know the legality of
that quite frankly but I would be
surprised if there wasn't something in
place that makes that yes I know that
they're set by the MPAA I understand
that completely but I bet you there's
some type of law in place because
weren't theaters getting fined and
having charges filed against them
because they were letting kids in the
theater no no no the only the only
thing the only thing that happens when
they let a kid in the theater is
parents start bitching and then
fucking and then the government gets
upset because then the government
thinks that they have they're gonna
have to start controlling the industry
and so they try and they try and like
you know basically the theaters get
bought out by like NATO which has
policies that say if you're if this
theater is owned by NATO you cannot
sell rated-R tickets to underage
children and that's just that's just
part of the policy of that organization
if you go to the I'm serious dude if
you go to small independent theaters
they won't card you at all because
they don't care you're giving them
money right I mean I understand your
point I'm not agreeing or disagreeing
I I'm saying honestly I don't know
yeah I mean I'm and I and my figuring
is I only go see triple x movies so I
don't really know what the normal
movie rules are like you know and my
figuring is if you don't know where
your 12 year old kid is waste you know
well then then what what the hell do
you care if the theater lets them into
a movie you obviously don't care about
what where where your kids where
about this well I I somewhat agree
with that too but you don't have a
17 year old kid so you really don't
know what it's like just just to put
the shoe on the other foot I'm just
gonna say I'm not I agree with that
in spirit but the reality is a little
bit tougher maybe I mean the kid you
know a 17 year old kid I mean come
on lucky let's be honest now let's be
honest when you're 17 how many times
did you tell your mother you're going
to the library or you're going to hang
out at so-and-so's house and then you
ditched and you went out and got drunk
or you went to a party or you went to
something that you she did not was not
aware of all right now okay then there
you go all right and I'm not saying that
is a justification I still do agree
with what you're saying but let's be
realistic the reality is if you can't
deal with it with your kid going to the
movies you got problems and you know
and let's tie this back into the point
at hand and it and this is the same
thing I do think that it is absolutely a
valid point a valid threat that kids
could get access to things on the
internet and you know what it's a whole
lot easier than getting into a movie
you know it really is because they
have those rules in place a kid can go
on Google and search for something and
get some pretty explicit pictures right
off of Google yeah you know so it's not
like it's difficult and yes the parents
should be with them their guardians
should take care of of whatever you
know their online habits and teach them
and stuff like that but again you can't
be with them all the time at the same
time I don't say you place blame with
Google or whatever the site in
question is but all I'm saying is that
I don't think it's really too much to
ask I don't think it's too big of a
deal to put a page up at the beginning
and that's what most sites do and I do
think there is a law that requires this
I couldn't tell you what it is but
that's why all the adult sites come up
the first thing that says are you above
21 or 18 or whatever the age limit is
when you get as old as me you don't pay
attention anymore it comes up with that
and I don't think that's unreasonable
that doesn't I mean does that
you click enter when it's like asking
if you're a member of the AARP yeah
right I'm going for like the early bird
special the discount senior citizen
discount but I mean on a serious note
does it do you have a problem with
putting up a disclaimer at the site
before you go into it and then if the
child or teenager or whatever in
question goes through it at least you
put up an attempt you made an attempt
to stop it and in the eyes of the law
that is a tremendous difference if you
show that you made an attempt and you
put up something to stop them out I
mean you can't completely prevent them
from doing it yeah you know what I mean
do you have a problem with putting up a
something on the front that says you
know a disclaimer says what you see in
this site is for adult content you must be
18 to enter and then click on yes or
no no but I mean and I mean that that's
the reality of it but in my in my eyes I
think you shouldn't even have to do
that but I wouldn't mind doing it yeah
because if you let that go then they're
going to be like oh well you should make
this person register and they must give
their national ID number and blah blah
well yeah you know it could go further I
mean there's you know I think that's a
happy medium I think that's a fair
compromise to me but you know what some
sites are so freaking scared of getting
sued and this is what we this is what
we're doing in this country now we're
scaring people for fear of lawsuits they
scare these companies so that the only
way that you can authenticate is to give
a valid credit card number because
they're under the assumption that only
an adult and a credit card they can
connect contact the credit card company
and get your age and check and verify
whether you're able to get on the site
or not that's how scared they are that's
the extra step they put in to try to
prevent that's that's just the security
through obscurity under the assumption
that anyone who owns a credit card is
18 or over well and even if they're not
they can the credit card when they
verify it they can get the name of the
card holder the probably the birth
all they can verify is is that there's
money on the card can they verify the
birth date they do not verify the date
of birth all they do is verify that
there's like a dog they do a
pre-authorization for like a dollar on
the card to make sure it's valid that's
it so you can go down to the store and
buy a prepaid credit card and you know
and no name you know simon mall sells
these prepaid visas that you can just buy
right off the shelf yeah i've seen those
yeah just put 25 dollars on it or
something and yeah you can use any name
you want any address and you just put in
the card number expiration it verifies boom
you're verified so put a dollar on it
then go to your website they cost a
hundred dollars a month or whatever
well no no well obviously they're going
to bill you for it but i mean yeah but
by then it'll be well i i don't know i
don't know how it depends on the website
i mean some of them just you just want
you to verify a credit card just to make
sure 18 and then the rest of it's free
right supposedly yeah well anyway i i don't
think it's such a big deal to put up a page
to keep them out it does protect you
legally somewhat you know it's not
putting a disclaimer at the beginning
you know all hackers always put this
disclaimer on their sites or this
disclaimer at the top of their articles
that says you know this is just
informational purposes only what you do
with it is your own responsibility you
know that's there because it's showing
it does show some intent and protects
you somewhat it's not a safety net by any
means believe me when i tell you that
that's not going to protect you so you
know and and you know what this is why
some people don't understand and and don't
want to understand and never will
understand this is why we have a no
prawn rule in the forums because there
are kids in the forums and i don't mean
that in a negative way there are people
under 18 under 16 there's people you know
11 12 13 and i just don't want somebody
coming after me you know what i mean but
isn't there a isn't there a thread in
the off topic well yes there is i knew
you'd point that out but it there's no
in stream prawn it's links to other sites
and like you said it's clearly labeled
that says you know what's in this thread
if you're coming in here you know what
you're getting into and then once you get
into it there's still no in stream it's
all links and it's links to it's mostly
about directory transversal it's kind of
an exercise to find cool stuff cool
prawn so even once you get to the site
in question is still have to click again
to actually get to any pictures or any
whatever that's on the other side so
there's like three clicks of a buffer in
there but anyway so point being yes your
point is well taken um uh doom angel your
point also i agree with completely but we
live in the real world this isn't the
matrix unfortunately we live in the real
world we have to deal with real laws and
we have to cover our tracks we have to
cover our our our legal boundaries you
know we have to make sure we're safe so
yes i think for taking that extra step to
protect kids and and frankly anybody
putting up a page that says warning this
site contains whatever i think that's i
don't think that's unreasonable i think
that's perfectly i think that's perfectly
fine and i don't mind doing it and you
know what if you're above 18 you're you're
an adult and you're you're responsible for
your own actions that's it that's the
bottom line it's all there is to it even
if you're not 18 frankly you're responsible
for your own actions yeah you don't have
to be 18 but you know yeah we've seen
people get tried as adults all the time
here yeah he can't buy anything that
requires you to be 18 but well what did
you try to buy before you never mind i
don't want to know
all right anyway any attempts at buying
anything i was not legally entitled to
all right um did you have anything else
for that one before i move on or
oh move on all right our last email of the
day i saved this one for the end is from
dark fiber heard you ask what's in
strassburg france on your show with
lucky 225 answer the happy wash of course
and the listeners can go to happy wash
dot com h-a-p-p-y-w-a-s-h dot com
yeah i don't know how i missed the happy
wash i have no idea what how that slipped
my mind you know i go to the happy wash
every day and i missed it so go check
out the happy wash owned basically the
happy wash is a laundromat where
sometimes people are doing more than
their laundry apparently really it's not
a prawn site it's just that some people
i guess they set up a surveillance camera
in their security camera and i guess
caught some people doing other things
i see so that's the name happy wash
all right anyway uh let's uh get out of
the mailbag here and let's move on to
some boy that was a lot of email you
realize how far we are into the show
uh no how what's our minutes right now
we are 46 minutes into the show before
mixing and everything
wow this show flew by
i'm telling you man that was
whoo and actually i've got a lot of show
and tell to talk about should i go first
or do you want to go or
you can go first uh i got a little bit
yeah i'll try to make it quick because
boy um well first of all i've been
working on my car i was working on my
car this weekend and actually droops and
obfuscated called me while i was
working on my car i don't know if that's
uh if they're going to use that sound
bite or that clip on their show or not
um oh by the way shouts to them welcome
to rant radio um i gave a presentation
at my defcon meeting this weekend
saturday was our defcon meeting and um
we worked out some ideas the logistics of
when the defcon meeting is
they've only had two it just started
fairly recently so we're just getting it
off the ground
uh when i say we i i've gone to both of
them i'm not really setting that up but
i'm trying you know i'm willing to help
out
kind of talked about when we're going to
schedule it how we're going to work out
some um
some presentations and projects and stuff
like that
and speaking of projects
here's a horrible horribly big teaser
that that people will hate me for
we actually ended the meeting i guess
around 10 11 o'clock at night but we
ended up standing out there talking
till about 2 a.m
working on some very very very
preliminary ideas for a huge huge project
yeah
and lucky knows about it and ddp knows
about it um
it but you know what it's so early i
don't know that it will ever take off
the ground it'll ever get it off the
ground if it'll ever take off it's a
whole
whole lot of work
and um but
we had some very good ideas and some
very positive
discussion about it so
if that comes through we will start
letting people know when the time is
right
so how's that for a teaser
i'm gonna get so many emails about
how people hate it when i do that
yeah i hate it
yeah i know
wouldn't even let me throw a little
teaser in there
no no because you'll go too far
you'll give it away
whatever
keep listening
i'm gonna throw some in there
uh anyway i also the other project
i've been working on is i finally set
up a file server
for the office here for here at the
the hack cave whatever the whatever
this room is called
finally set up a file server in the
house i have a
i always i have so many computers
here i've got one two three four
five i've got five computers running
and a laptop when i need it
and i have files on all of them
and they're scattered here and there
and it gets kind of frustrating when i
want to find what i'm what i'm looking
for
so this is something i've been wanting
to do for the past year to year or
two easily is get everything into one
file server one central location
and have everything stored in one spot
so it's easy to find and i finally
finally did that so i have a 1.5
terabyte server
sitting right next to me if you hear
loud extra loud buzzing today
worse than usual
it's because i got this big server
i had to buy a new power supply
i put extra fans in there i've got
six 250 gig hard drives in there and a
raid 5 array
so there's a lot of
a lot of movement going on in that
box over there and i have the sides
off of it right now because i'm
working on it so
wow
yeah it's it's a mess and and i'll
have that closed up that's how
closed i i mean when i say i've just
got that done i mean i haven't put the
sides on the box yet
i haven't screwed the sides back on
yet so
that's what i've been working on here
and there as much as i have free
time which isn't very much so
over the next week or so i will be
going through the process of moving
stuff over to it getting it
organized making an mp3 drive making
a whatever
and by the way just for the record
it takes a hell of a long time to
format 1.5 terabytes
holy crap it ran all day and all night
no joke it takes a long time to set
that up
yeah i bet
wow
so anyway yeah that's it for me that's
that's enough
i'm lucky i i'm lucky i can mix in
some sleep once in a while to that
agenda
well
so what do you got
for me uh as you know stink uh
throughout the week i've been doing
some phone freaking
no you
yeah
freaking
yeah some stuff that i can't talk
about on the show unfortunately
oh i hate it when you do that
however
however there's something planned
coming up um
maybe sometime in the near future
i'm not sure it might be a couple
months from now
maybe you can debut it in miami
yeah
oh
yeah maybe
um
possibly
um
however
it should be
i should be able to talk about this
sometime in the future
on your show
okay
it should be
it'll be pretty awesome
uh your listeners will appreciate it
i don't know that i know they know
i know they don't know what the hell
i'm talking about but
when it comes out they're going to
be like
well fear
they they will appreciate it i'll
give you that i know what it is
and it yeah
it's pretty cool stuff
um
other than that
something related but not
i've been playing with uh
my
i was talking to my friend scott
uh scott free
uh some of you
some of our listeners might know
uh
from the socal bridge
he's the one who set up
the old socal bridge
which was on uh
909-661-1119
it's not there anymore now
it's just a party line
but um
i was talking to him
because he's an old school freak
and he was telling me about the switch
out in pentacles california
and that's prefix 831-389
and he told me it's this uh
basically it's this little c-lec
uh it's basically ran by one guy
some one man telco
and
he told me uh
389-4500
used to be uh
the operator
and i guess 4411 used to be information
it's not anymore
4611 used to be repair
that's not
that's not there either
and i guess
he said it used to be
the guy would answer
on all three of those extensions
um
now
the 4411 and 4611
are real phone numbers on that switch
at the residence
so don't even bother calling
um
4500 however
is the pentacles telephone company operator
um
and
just out of curiosity
i called her up
and uh
uh
she answered the phone
pentacles telephone company operator
how may i help you
and i asked her uh
yeah could you transfer me to AT&T please
she told me i'm sorry sir
uh you're gonna need to hang up and dial 00
i can't transfer date
i can't transfer to long distance carriers
i go oh
well uh
what exactly does the pentacles telephone company operator do
and she replies
well basically uh
customers call us and ask the long distance carriers
and we just tell them to hang up and dial 00
that's a job man
that's a
that's a good job
i'm uh
well
why don't they have a recording to do that
well
so i ask her
i'm all
so
you don't assist
you don't assist in placing calls
like uh
you know if i was having trouble dialing a number or something
she's all
well we can place a local call for you
but that's it
i go oh
okay um
go ahead and place a local call for me
and she says sure
what's the number
i tell her
389
4500
which is the number for her
and uh
okay
she says okay
20 cents please
and i go
20 cents
what do you mean 20 cents
and she goes
well sir you're calling from a payphone aren't you
and i'm like
well i guess i could be
i go hold on
i go hold on one second
20 cents she said right
she goes
yep
well
she goes all right thank you for
thank you for using pinnacle telephone company
one moment please
she places me on hold right
and she
are you making this up
i'm not making this up
this is a true story
she places me on hold
i guess she's trying to call the phone number
her other phone starts ringing
she answers it and tells the customer
that or
she thinks there's a customer there
so she answers it
tells that customer to hold on
and at the same time
she's on the other phone
that's ringing
which is now answered
and she keeps doing this
i guess she did it
two or three times
she comes back to me
and she says
um
there seems to be some trouble
with that number sir
i keep calling it
someone answers
and then they uh
they just hang up
they don't say anything
you've got to be kidding
i am not kidding
she doesn't recognize
her own number
this is a hundred percent
true story man
i have to hear that
we have to put that
on the telephonic craptacular
if that's true
yeah uh
well
i'll uh
i'll record something
like it tomorrow
or something
all right
i don't know
i don't want to call
the same number again
i don't want her calling herself
i think she figured that one out
after i fucked with her
she said hold on
let me try it again
and
a couple minutes later
she just hung up on me
without even saying
like anything else
either that
or she got really confused
on which position was me
yeah
that's
that might be more likely
yeah
um
anyways
after seven o'clock
however
it goes to an answering service
which basically tells you
to hang up and dial zero zero
and that answering service
cannot place calls
um
so you can only do
the little red boxing trick
uh
during the day
uh-huh
um
other than that
that was my
that was my little story
i thought it was pretty funny
yeah that was pretty good
i like that one
i need to have that kind of story
more often
that was funny
yeah
all right
anything else
before we leave
the show and tell
uh
no
i think we can leave
the show and tell
all right
good deal
um
well
let's hit
what's kind of our
semi-main topic
i guess today
we don't have a whole lot of time
we're about
we're about an hour right now
um
but
we've got enough time
to cover this i think
um
because you know what
i don't have enough information
on it yet
anyway
um
but it is
basically microsoft's
new search engine
they have a
top secret
as they say
top secret new search engine
and not only
not only for the web
but
the technology
also is going to be used
i guess
i would assume
in longhorn
or maybe
in updating
xp
at some point
in the future
there will be
some kind of update
they do
some kind of new engine
for searching
for information
obviously
so
they had a conference
something called
the search champs
which yeah
i know
sounds really lame
i'm a search champ
yay
but they had something
called the search champs
conference
which was this
invite only conference
where they brought
people up to redmond
and i guess
gave demos
and stuff like that
and of course
you know
some people
leaked the information
so i've been
kind of reading up
on some of this
and i thought
we'd talk about it
a little bit
you know
what's real interesting
is how did they
leak the information
stank
um
i guess
most of what i found
was people blogging
people blogging
you know
that's another
great topic
but go on
yeah
well we can
you know what
i don't know
that we've done
a show
we've talked
about blogging
but i don't know
if we've done
a show
specifically about
everyone leaks
information on blogs
everyone
they leave their
phone numbers in there
telling their friends
to call them
they're idiots
anyway
go on
yeah well
you know what
let's do that
let's make that
a topic for an
upcoming show
all about blogs
because there's a
lot of stuff
to be found on blogs
but it's a lot
of crap too
so
so it's kind of
hard to find
a difference
well i found
some pretty decent
stuff on
on some blogs
of people who
attended this
and
and actually
it's kind of
funny
i did
let me be careful
with my words
here
what
i did
i was able to
find a little bit
more information
on microsoft's
site
about this
i see
and
um
yeah
was this
the same way
you renewed
your license
no you did
not call
me out
um
no this
was not so
but no
no no no
i just went
looking in the
right place
and found it
but it was
i was i did
not know that
this place
existed on
microsoft
sites
i did
know i
did not
know that
i could
there's a lot
of good
stuff there
anyway
um
basically what
they're doing
here and i'm
going to read
a few quotes
from some of
the blogs
because
basically they
worded it
pretty straightforward
already
um
but what
they're
what they've
done is
they've made
a quote
a personalized
search tool
that lets you
do a web
search
then drag a
slider to
make the
results more
customized based
on what your
local computer
knows about
you
it's a split
screen result
so you see
the original
results on
the left
and the
increasingly
personalized
results on
the right
very very
cool
so and
they also
kept
they said
all the
bloggers
use this
phrase
about
i guess
they dropped
this buzzword
or this
this phrase
a lot
at this
conference
and it
says
um
they're trying
to change
from the
idea of
does the
page
contain
the query
terms
to
does the
page
satisfy
the
information
need
yeah
you know
because a lot
of times
you get
results for
query terms
that are
irrelevant
of what
you were
looking
for
well you
know
and i
like
query terms
but like
google
seriously
sucks
especially
when you're
searching for
phone numbers
and all it
brings up
is like
you know
math equations
and shit
yeah
sometimes
it's
yeah the
phones
the way
they've done
phones has
been crappy
lately
i don't know
what change
they made
but i noticed
that also
yeah
so
and you know
what else
i get a lot
they've
statistics
and math
equations
and stuff
like that
when i'm
searching for
a phone
number
just because
it happens
to have
the sequence
of numbers
in the
equation
you know
i do a
search for
a phone
number
and i get
like
distributed
dot net
page
of somebody
who has
those numbers
as their
stats
like come
on
you'll be
smart about
it
and that's
that's
basically
what
apparently
microsoft
is trying
to do
now first
of all
i did
you know
we've talked
about this
on before
i don't
remember
how long
ago
i mentioned
on the
show
um
microsoft
tried to
buy google
quite a while
back
microsoft
wanted to
buy google
and google
said no
i think they
said yes
initially
and then
backed out
of it
when they
realized
that they
were google
and um
when that
happened
microsoft
became indignant
and i guess
dedicated some
people and
resources
and decided
they were
going to
start doing
this research
and i guess
it's close
to coming
to fruition
now because
this has been
quite a while
back so
you know
come on
google is
huge
that's a
huge
part of
the computer
market
computer
industry
a search
engine
and you
know
yahoo
google
altavista
all these
companies
asked jeeves
which god
i hate that
more than
anything
um
yeah
jeeves the
retarded
butler
i don't know
what the
hell
his problem
is
but
we should
ask him
yeah
there's some
funny stuff
you can ask
him
but that's
another
um
but yeah
they decided
that they
wanted the
cut of that
money
microsoft's
going to
step in
and you
know that
means that
every one of
the microsoft
owned or
related sites
is going to
tie to it
hotmail
searches are
going to
go to
this
um
msnbc
msn.com
microsoft.com
all the stuff
all the passport
sites
they're going to
embed the
search engine
to go only
to theirs
you know
so first of
all you know
they're going
to saturate
the market
with it
they're going
to fill
every site
they can get
their hands
on with
this stupid
thing
but you
know what
I'm kind
of looking
at this
and there's
some things
about it
that might
actually be
kind of
cool
and from
the microsoft
page it
says this
um
it works by
mining a
text base
looking for
strings that
look like
potential answers
but then they
run into
natural language
issues but
information redundancy
helps in other
words the
answer to the
question who
killed lincoln
shows up tens
of thousands
of times
on the web
so they
don't have to
disambiguate
booth altered
history with a
single shot at
lincoln
they can pick
their answer
or how many
times did
bjorn borg win
wimbledon
you can find
lots of strings
on the net
like bjorn borg
blah blah blah
wimbledon blah
blah blah
five
that in their
redundancy make
the answer five
more probable
so what they're
doing is on a
statistical level
they're trying to
apply some
common sense
to the
questions by
looking at
repetition of
phrases
so they're going
to apply common
sense for example
on the bjorn borg
i said you know
um
he won let's
see what was
it like 1980
he won wimbledon
or something like
that
it is applying
enough common
sense by saying
enough phrases
to know that he
certainly didn't
win wimbledon
9,980 times
but if it sees
a smaller
more appropriate
more common
sense number
like five
it's smart
enough to give
you that
as what it
thinks to be
the answer
and apparently
from most of
these consistently
said and
microsoft claims
that the thing
is right 75%
of the time
now that's
you know
that's a c
you know you
get 75 on a
test what is
that a c
a d
yeah it's pretty
good though
yeah but i mean
in computer terms
and guessing it's
pretty right
and when they
say right
they're saying
the first result
that comes up
yeah so you
know it might
not be the first
one or second
i think there
was also um
an example of
like they asked
it who did
britney spears
marry in las
vegas recently
and that's kind
of a vague
question because
it's happened
more than once
right so it
got that one
wrong however
because it
listed the first
response was i
guess the first
guy she married
yeah and then
the second response
was the most
recent guy that
she married
so it didn't
exactly get it
right but you
know what it
was pretty it
was close enough
that the second
answer was there
the second time
it happened it's
like okay we
don't care
yeah exactly
no one reported
it so you know
but again applying
the common sense
logic that they're
trying to apply
here the strings
by looking at
these strings
they're able to
at least come up
with a better
hierarchy and
that's something
that google has
something similar
with their page
rank they try to
give you the most
relevant hits but
microsoft looks
like they're
trying to take
it to another
level frankly i'm
still skeptical of
this because you
know what i
truly i was joking
about ask jeez but
ask jeez was
supposedly a natural
language question
engine you know you
can ask jeez hey
where can i get
pictures of the
biggest titties on
the internet and
you can and jeez is
supposed to tell you
the answer to that
right isn't that the
whole gimmick but
he you know he's a
moron you know so
comes back with
like no offense to
anyone who uh
actually happens to
have the last name
jeez no but i
complete and 100%
offense meant to
anybody who works
for ask jeez or
uses ask jeez you're
morons yeah how do
you like that
god i hate that
thing that's sold on
the stock market do
you know that was
like a an enormously
successful ipo that
they made mad money
relaunching that
steaming pile of
crap no i did not
it's horrible to go
out and look at it
now it's like three
bucks a share i think
it's crap it's horrible
i don't i don't even
know why it's worth
that i don't know
anybody that uses a
damn thing
i'm gonna issue a
challenge right here
to the listeners
email me with some
reason give me
something good that
ask jeez does
something that jeez
does that's better
than the other search
engines are different
they try to launch
this thing and now
they got this ask
jeez added a new
feature that's
supposed to change
searching where they
let you save your
searches you can log on
create an account that
will remember your most
recent searches
hey it's called
bookmarks fucktards
they've been around for
ten years
anyway
damn it how do i get
off on these rants
i don't know
i don't know either
anyway
and my language
kind of goes downhill
with the rants too
unfortunately but hey
what am i gonna do
anyway
ask msr
that's what they're
calling it
microsoft research
ask msr
program uses
information on web
pages to respond to
questions to which the
answer is a single
word or phrase
such as
when was maryland
monroe born
ask msr starts by
manipulating the
question in various
ways by identifying
the verb for example
and then changing its
tense
or moving it into
different positions in
the sentence like
maryland was
monroe born
maryland monroe was
born and so on
the resulting phrases
are then fed into a
search engine and
documents containing
matching strings of
words are retrieved
it sounds promiscuous
like a promiscuous
strategy but gibberish
phrases produce few
matches so being
wrong is very cheap
so anyway ask msr is
still a prototype
according to microsoft
but they're trying to
improve it and it may be
launched commercially
under the name
answer bot
hey i wonder if they've
reserved answer bot
dot com let's try to
grab it from them if they
haven't
yeah and put the phone
back in front of your
mouth so we can hear you
the listeners don't want
to hear static
oh calm down
want to hear your
staticky your staticky
uh hairdryer slash
phone
i'm not on a con air
phone
i i i'm proving this
no i'm proving this to
you right now stink
sorry to do this during
your show
what are you doing
this is a con air
phone
holy crap
yeah
wow that's
would you ever
give con air again
i'm going back to my
sony
that was a good
dude that was a good
phone
that was hardcore man
i'm gonna get a con
air phone
yeah
oh they make hair
dryers
i think you spiked
the levels on the
show by the way
yeah
how's that for a
hair dryer
that was a that was
some pretty hella good
hair dryer i'll give
you that one
yeah
it was loud that's
for sure like a
hair dryer
amen
so
anyway um also
uh the same search
engine the technology
behind it they're also
using not only for a
search engine for the
for the global
interweb
but also to do
like working on your
pc
and integrate it for
example with outlook i
know they mentioned some
of that as well
so um
like they're doing some
personal map work where
your activities
email calendar etc
affect the way your
contacts are arranged in
group
but we already know who we
interact with and again i'm
quoting this from
uh one of the blogs
um and of course we'll put
the links up in the show
notes if we ever get those
caught up
um but i say we already
know who we can enter who
we interact with how can we
put this in a larger context
for example who do you know
that knows someone else
basically the linkedin
facility introduction idea but
again what's interesting to
me is how this shows overlap
it lets you map how you're
connected to another person and
through what paths
now this sounds really familiar to
me and i'll i'll the listeners
haven't picked this up i'll
explain in a moment um
anyway it says they're less
interested in the endpoints
and the nature of the paths
that lead there
um talks about wallop uh
424 people involved in this
project apparently and about a
quarter have been regularly
active what this lets them do
is build maps of inferred social
networks
inferred social networks
quote who's important to whom
people want to explicitly control
to be able to add remove people
but they also don't want to have
to spend a lot of time organizing
now if you don't if that phrase
social networks inferred social
networks or just social networks
doesn't ring a bell i'm going to
point you back a few episodes back
when i had decius co-host a show
with me and talk about his site
meme streams and basically that is
memetics and the memetics engine
that he uses to power that site
it has social networks and the
people that you follow and have
to share the same interest with
will be the posts and the
information that you see most
often the people that you
associate yourself with and have
things in common with that's the
basis of that engine
so you know what it's already out
there it's called memestreams.net
go check it out and again go back
and listen to that episode as a
matter of fact if you're if you
happen to miss it unfortunately i
don't know the number offhand i
should
so that's really all i've got on the
on the microsoft's new search engine
i'd like to know more about it
frankly so someone else someone has
some more information by all means
email us and let us know because i'm
going to be doing some research on
this because i just i like to
research stuff like this i like to
know how things work
yep so let me know what do you
think about that
like you know when i say the same
technology they have a slider bar
they kept referring to the slider bar
and how you can focus your searches
with it like it'll come up with the
search terms on the left hand side of
the screen and you can adjust the
slider bar i guess to
i don't know what the measurements
of the slider bar are like maybe
it's more concise and less concise
it's
yeah you know how much it varies from
the original
keywords or something
but and apply to like your
let's apply to outlook for example
the way i envision this and i may be
wrong but
when you're searching for contacts in
your contact list
right now let's say you're searching
for a personal contact you can filter
out only personal contacts by selecting
it so you have to go that extra step
to only show those people that are
listed or tagged as personal i think
what microsoft is getting at here is
being able to figure out
by who you email frequently and the topics and things like that it will determine who is
a business contact or a personal contact and when you search for something it will intuitively be able to tell where to search what to search for and how to more efficiently conduct the search
so that's how and that's that's an example with outlook and the same thing with files you know if you're searching for an mp3
yeah you know it'll be smart enough to look in the my music folder or something like that i you know what i'm you know what i'm getting at yeah yeah yeah definitely so which uh which would actually be great because it's like freaking annoying yeah sometimes or you know what search through the mp3 tags if you want something you know like when you go to the sites and it's like if you like uh britney spears you'll love just
like a simpson they try to give you to something else similar yeah applying that to your desktop you know you have the mp3 tags you have video files that have all these header information and jpegs that have what camera they were taken with you have all this information and they're going to probably start mining it or being a little bit more liberal with their use of it and trying to find things that are related to each other that way so when you search for spoon it's going to be smart enough to go look for things that are
related to spoon based on keywords or reserve words or headers and things like that yeah so it could be cool and it could suck i guess time will tell yes did you find out if that site was already answerbot.com hold on you still looking sorry about that that's all right and um actually i'm gonna save my rant i got a spam no you know what i'll do this real quick
i always ignore it i delete it but this one caught my eye again because frankly i'm such a geek i even find spam interesting there's something wrong with me oh man i found this one interesting because it seemed to be i don't know it didn't look like typical spam it was a little bit more uh anyway it caught my eye for whatever reason that's what spam is designed to do yeah and this one was different yeah and this one was a little bit different
aimed to aim to everybody like a total spam junk viagra ad it actually was paragraphs and sentence structure was very very well done and stuff like that it had a name at the bottom of it it really anyway i knew it was spam right away but i still found it interesting
and it was um says are you targeting the student sector and i found this in a lot of other places since then by the way so everybody's gotten this do you want students to buy your product or visit your website our company has carefully collected an email database which allows to advertise your product or service to the audience of 1.7 million u.s college and university students this is the most comprehensive students email database available on the internet all addresses on the database now this is an interesting thing
look you tell me listen to this all addresses on the database belong to students 18 to 24 years old are verified and as a proof of their origin end with edu which stands for educational institutions the database will be delivered to you in a zip archive of 34 meg text file all addresses were collected september 2004 how much for this file do you think how much yeah like you don't already know i guess you got the show notes there
uh i don't have the show notes up all right how much do you think they're charging for that i have no freaking idea 370 dollars that's all your email address is worth 34 megs of 1.7 addresses 370 dollars wow ktt i'm not going to give out the address actually um but first of all i find it interesting intriguing that they're selling
email addresses email addresses a database by spamming people that's kind of funny i guess yeah that's kind of funny it got your attention actually it did not you know what this went to my bit box this went to my to my um bit bucket which means it got sent to a an email address that doesn't exist i just happened to be looking through the logs of the mail client looking through the logs to see if there was anything caught up in the queue and this was one of them so really it didn't actually hit anywhere i just happened to pull it out of limbo
limbo so it actually went out of your way to look at the spin yes i did yes i did because sometimes sometimes email somebody will write stank dog d-o-g instead of a-w-g and it'll sit it'll also go to devnall it'll go to the well not to devnall but it'll go into this uh bouncing situation anyway
um i went digging up on this company and first of all i found out that it was registered through russia
it's owned by somebody in germany registered through russia yet the page itself is in good clear clean english
so this is done by this is done by a native english speaker i'll say that
but they're using the system they're going around and using the internet and registering through these
different countries and stuff which you know what i give them a little credit for that
now here's the funniest part to the whole story and i'm going to end on this because boy we're cutting
it close okay they also run a hosting company
they're hosting company okay and yes i had some fun with the company and i'll leave it at that
hold on hold on they deserve it before you say this yourbot.com is registered is registered to
two cows dns servers are dns.taco.com all right but who who owns them uh a cameron gregory
22 howard court lyncroft new jersey 07738 really interesting i guess he got it before microsoft did
yep anyway the hosting company here's the this is the funniest part this is the ultimate irony slap
in the face the hosting company if you go to the site the main site with no slash whatever it's a
hosting company to get to this site where you can buy the email addresses it gives you a php page on
the same site so how's this for irony right on the front page of the site when i look under their
policies quote what is your policy on spam we do not tolerate spam if we find you sending junk mail
if you if we find you sending junk mail you would be banned from our servers and notified to the proper
authorities nice now ain't that some shit that is awesome stink that's fucked up that is an awesome
story that's fucked up so i'm going to hit this here's what i'm thinking i'm actually thinking of
maybe dropping some coin registering with them making up a site putting the hosting and then
buying their zip file from them and spamming the fuck out of people
just to see if they kick me off
of course i wouldn't do that because i'm not a dirty spammer but damn it it would be funny
maybe not funny haha but you know anyway man let's try it out why don't you buy their zip file
and send uh and send a message to every single email address saying that uh this hosting company
is selling your fucking email oh that's almost that's just as bad you're spamming anyway
actually you know what this is right up your alley lucky you know what you should contact these people
and now now i'm not gonna say that on the air never mind i'm not gonna get us in trouble okay
i'll say it these people on that page where you buy that zip file for 370 bucks they have a checkout page
right at the bottom and very big clear letters money back guarantee if you're unsatisfied for any
reason whatsoever they will refund your money got nothing to lose man you should buy that shit and
then tell them you're unhappy with it and then give it away on your website or something for free
yeah that'll happen yeah right
oh anyway so many so many ways to screw them up unfortunately you're still sharing a bunch of
addresses and spamming people yeah anyway let's jump to the shout out to the show i just want i have one
shout out i should have given this a long time ago one of my all-time favorite sites is homestarrunner.com
i think most a lot of people know about it if you don't go to homestarrunner.com
start watching some of the cartoons that they have on there read the strong bad emails the greatest
just hilarious you might not get it at first but if you start watching them and get the running jokes
it's hilarious and learn the characters so my shout outs go to the brothers chaps for that
and uh that's all i got oh you know i'm sorry i said it earlier and i'll say it again to droops and
obfuscated welcome to rant radio your show sucks um no just kidding i sent him an email that said
that just to start off their show i thought it'd be a funny way for them to start off their show
we should start like this whole ah see i'm saying it on the air so that ruins it i was gonna say we
should start a joke where like they flame us and we flame them back and we get all the audience
to believe that we hate each other oh yeah that's not gonna happen now well now i kind of ruined
it didn't i but anyway i want to edit that out later yeah shouts out to obfuscated no i'm not
gonna do that that's just playing around shouts to obfuscated and droops infonomicon right here
on rant radio so check them out and lucky what do you got okay i got a lot of shouts first i got
to give a shout out to my friend bob in minnesota he knows who he is yep so i'm carlson
and uh my boy scott free from the socal that's it i thought you said a lot oh that's a lot that's
one of them you gave yeah well today well no the brothers chaps there's two of them
all right anyway email us radio at binrev.com and our closing music today is from evolution
control committee it's called don't miss the great snatch and these are the same people that do
the infonomicon theme music the theme song for infonomicon which i love rocked by rape with
starring dan rather also by the evolution control committee so uh we're going to close with that
and um that is going to do it so lucky yes why don't you uh start at this time why don't you lead
us out uh i forget how to start you tell everybody that we'll see them next week same hack time
same hack channel see that's the only word you know is the same hack channel part later
i've had many people to ask me to put this on recording recording
and we're coming to you for all of you that are present here tonight
many treasures of life are huge but i happen to prefer the snatch
Prestige, honor, money, women, men, nothing
Irene, Laura, and old gal Seuss
I have made up in my mind that nothing is going to stop me from making the snatch
I'm not going to fool around here and miss all these women
All these good-looking women
Let me get Laura
Let me have Mabel
And let me get old gal Seuss
Fannie Lou
And all I can find
I got to make the snatch
I would just get on out there and get with Marvin Gaye
Jackson 5
Gladys Knight and the Pips
Hey man, Smokey Robinson
And everybody else
Well, I just had me a time
So don't miss that snatch
I like to say to the brothers
That no matter how, how well they are shaped
How long the hair is
They're not worth missing the snatch
Just as I don't care how tall, dark and handsome
That man might be
He's not worth missing the snatch
Two will be in the bed
Then one snatch
And then let me go on to the disco
On, on, on to the disco
Get the sound of the night fever
Let me go on to the disco
On, on, on to the disco
And let me just have me a good time
And then let me go on to the disco
On, on, on, on, on to the disco
Get the sound of the night fever
Let me go on to the disco
On, on, on, on to the disco
And let me just have me a good time
Go on to the disco
Tumping and pumping
On, on, on, on to the disco
Get the sound of the night fever
Go on to the disco
Bimping and pimping
See, there have already been some
There will be some more
And then let me go on to the disco
And then let me just have me a good time
Go on, on, on, on, on to the disco
Get the sound of the night fever
Go on to the disco
Bimping and pimping
Go on, on, on, on to the disco
And then let me just have me a good time
Tell me a good time
There have been other little snacks
Before the big one
See, there have already been some
There will be some more after the big one
If you miss the big one
Then don't plan on getting involved
If you miss the first one
The Snatch is imminent
The Snatch is at hand
The Snatch could come any day now
We got to be ready
When Jesus comes