This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs
of you and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the
net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,
on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm
a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through
my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught
the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's
all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling
your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your
back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs,
SIFs, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers.
And, welcome everybody to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 70, coming to you on November
16th, 2004, I am Stank Dog, back again this week, and I should probably start off by thanking
last week's host, Buck Dangler, thank you Buck Dangler for hosting episode 69, making a comeback
after RFA episode 69, it's the last time we heard from Buck Dangler, so it was good to hear
him again, and of course to Mr. Pink and to Juicy Julie as well, but I am back today, I
am feeling a little bit better, I hope I sound a little bit better, I still got an occasional
cough going on here, but hey, what can I tell you, Nashville's got bad stuff.
And, I'm going to introduce a new co-host we have for this episode, who is probably the
cause of me getting sick at Nashville, at Freak Nick, and that is our first time co-host,
not to be the last I'm sure, Natus, welcome to the show.
Yo, yo, thanks a lot.
And, dude, why'd you make me sick?
I'm sorry.
We shared a room, I woke up the next morning, and I'm sick.
Well, I got sick at DEF CON, so.
Yeah, but I've been sick like all month.
Like, I couldn't get rid of this, whatever, I'm drinking chalk.
I'm drinking, I swear to God, I'm drinking like old milk with sand in it.
Like, when you drink this medicine, it's like grainy, and it's like, gets in your teeth and
stuff.
It's, oh, it's horrible, horrible stuff.
But, hey, it seems to be working, so I'm not going to complain.
The last stuff they gave me didn't work.
I don't know what you got, man, but you need to get checked out, because that was bad stuff
for me.
But, that's alright, the sweet, sweet loving made up for it.
Yeah.
Well, we got quite a few emails to take care of this week, so we should probably just jump
into that first.
But, well, we've got to play our email theme song here.
Hold on.
Okay, and, email time.
Now, actually, I had a couple emails on this particular topic, so I'm not going to read
them, but I just wanted to point out that I had some people requesting that I do podcasting.
Um, uh, podcasting is, of course, some way, is a way to get the show out to the iPod users.
They can check for the shows when there's new episodes and things like that.
So, uh, that is something very cool, something that I, I've heard of, I've never done before
myself.
Um, but I do, I do think that's kind of a cool idea.
I am willing to try that.
Um, but, I just got too much on my plate right now.
I got too many other priorities.
I will do that.
I will try to do that soon.
About the same time I put up the show in AugVorbis format, which is still on my list of things
to do.
Um, so I will try that.
For those of you who are asking, I will do that to the best of my ability, as time permits.
Now, Natus, do you have a, do you have an iPod?
Yes, I do.
And, do you like it?
Oh, yeah.
What?
I have my, I'm an avid iPod user.
Are you really?
Yeah, I like them a lot.
I've had one for a couple years.
What size?
Uh, I'm up to the 20 gig.
I keep upgrading over time, you know, I just keep building up my library.
Now, what about all the battery problems that people said they had?
Have you ever had any problems with the battery dying or anything, or?
No, I don't know.
People are just being bitches about it.
I mean, it's true that it will, you know, eventually fade out over time.
But, I mean, just e-bet it.
Yeah, but did you?
That's what I do.
I just get one.
I use it for like, I don't know, like eight or nine months, and then I just e-bet it.
Oh, that's terrible.
But you haven't actually had any batteries go out on you?
No.
You have not had the problem that other people claim they have had?
No.
I guess I don't, I probably don't use it like non-stop enough, you know, to cause it
to drain like that.
Do you do any kind of, do you listen to any podcasting stuff?
Do you listen to podcasts?
No, I haven't.
No?
Well.
Sounds pretty cool, yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna see what I can do, and see if we can put that up.
I'll have to check into it a little bit more, cause like I said, I've never done it, so
I don't know what it entails.
It might actually be easy, but I just have to get the time to set aside to work on that.
Yeah.
So, what about, wait a minute, as long as we're on this topic, cause I don't have an
iPod, I don't know much about this, maybe you can educate us a little bit on this.
Have you tried any of the other, like, I guess for lack of a better word, the knockoffs,
like, I know one of the guys I work with has the Dell jukebox, it's called, and that seemed
pretty cool, I liked it.
Is there any, like, advantage or disadvantage between them, other than the fact that the
iPod is a, is it Apple, is it Mac only, or do they have a PC interface?
Do they have a Windows or Linux interface for it?
Oh, come on, you don't know this stuff?
I don't know, I've never had one of these, absolutely not.
Ah, yeah, they're Windows, Mac, Linux, everything.
Hmm.
I mean, they're not, they don't, they don't say Linux on them, you know, you can't buy,
like, a Linux iPod, you know, tax form and stuff.
That's what I'm saying, somebody has written software that will interface with it?
Yeah.
For Linux?
And then, you haven't, you haven't seen all the stupid new HP iPod stuff?
No, I have not.
Man, that stuff pisses me off.
I can't afford.
Basically, it's just HP trying to take credit for, like, an iPod, just so people don't fear
saying Apple, and thinking that it won't work with their PC, they put HP's name on it for
PC users.
Hmm, I guess from a marketing standpoint, that's kind of a good idea for the, for the, your
typical, um, typical user.
Yeah, but it's kind of taken away from Apple's image, I think, like, people will think
that HP was all badass and came up with it, but when it was Apple.
I think everybody knows that Apple, like, iPod is from Apple, and I'm sure they licensed
it, I'm sure they made a bundle licensing and allowing them to do it.
Yeah.
I'm sure Apple would not do it if they didn't think it was in their best interest, that's
for sure.
Yeah.
It's just I would never buy, I would never buy the HP iPod.
Hmm.
I don't know.
If it was cheaper, I'm sure.
I still wouldn't buy it.
I assume it's probably the same price, because I bet you Apple still makes them, I'm sure
that's part of the deal, is that they can't undersell them, undercut them.
Right.
But, no, I can't bling like that, man, you're the one making the big money.
Not me.
I can't afford that stuff.
Although, actually, I meant to, um, I was going to mention this at the beginning of
the show, and I guess I can go ahead and mention it now, since it just popped into my head.
Uh, one thing that I did, I can't afford and finally switched to is VoIP.
I meant to say that at the top of the show.
This is, this is the first time that I've recorded the show using VoIP, and it sounds
pretty good, um, you're, you know, coming through loud and clear.
I know you're on your cell, correct?
Yep.
Yeah, you're on your cell, but I am on my VoIP line, going through my cable modem, and this
is really the first time I've put it to any kind of stress test at all.
I've tried a few short calls, um, done some settings, played with some other little tricks
that I've found, um, but this is the first time.
So if, if you drop off the line, you're going to have to, you're going to have to call back.
Let's see if the line will say, stay stable for an hour or so longer to do the show.
I meant to mention that at the beginning.
Finally ventured into the world of VoIP.
Uh, now, anyway, let's see, what was that?
Oh, yeah, email time, email.
Um, first email this week comes from UT Crazy.
I don't know if that has anything to do with Unreal Tournament or just coincidence.
But UT Crazy says,
Hey, Stank, I listen to your show every week and look forward to your rants and other great parts about the show.
Regarding the TV license in the UK that you mentioned on episode 69,
you do have to pay a monthly fee to own a television.
I don't know about the TV police checking if you have a TV, but you do have to pay.
Thanks for making this amazing radio show keep up the good work.
Now, I had a couple people also email me and verify this.
Um, and, frankly, I went straight to Nick84, our overseas correspondent of DDP.
Um, and, yeah, he gave me the full story and confirmed for it.
And, it turns out, yeah, he gave me a couple links, actually.
I did a little research on my own, too.
Um, it turns out that they do have a fee.
They do have that.
It does exist.
Um, and the listener last week said it was around $17.
I didn't get anyone else to confirm a price, but $17 a month.
Um, and they do have people who go house to house and check for it.
They have a van or something they drive around, like the A-Team or something.
And they drive around, they have some kind of equipment in there that they can apparently detect TV signals or, or, yeah, TV signals.
And I guess they also have a database of people who have not paid, so they try to catch them using a television or prove that they have a TV when they're not on the authorized paying customer TV list.
So, they do have some kind of, I don't know if they're police or if they have any kind of authority or whatever, but it's kind of scary because I was reading some stories, um, online about people that were caught and stuff like that.
And there's some funny stories about excuses people make.
But these people, not only do they drive around, but they go up to the door and, like, they look in your windows, they peer in the back door, back of the house, they go around the back, and if they see a TV in view, you're busted.
And I don't know how cool I am with somebody creeping around my yard.
I hope, that's where you gotta have, like, a nasty pit bull or something waiting for them, you know?
It's just messed up.
Yeah, that's, seriously, I mean, that's, somebody, all I'm saying is somebody tries to come up to my back door, they're gonna meet a shotgun face-to-face.
That's no joke, man.
Nobody come up to, no, there's no back door entry in more ways than one, but I won't even go off onto that.
That was episode 69.
We'll get off of that.
But, yeah, it's, the other trick, and I don't know why people do this, a lot of these stories involved the fact that they let the person come into their house.
They knock on the door, can I come in for a second?
I'm with the TV police.
Slam the door in their face and say, heck no.
I mean, that just seems like common sense to me.
I mean, am I missing something there?
If somebody, somebody, Natus, excuse me, sir, I'd like to come in and see if you have any illegal narcotics.
Oh, okay.
No.
Oh, okay.
Leave.
Just let them on in, huh?
That's news to me, man.
I can't believe I have stuff like this going on over there.
Yeah.
And I'm sure you don't have illegal narcotics.
I was just making that up for our American listeners.
Because we don't have, we don't have this TV law or whatever it is.
So, yeah, that's kind of, I don't know.
And, like I said, there was some funny excuses on there.
The biggest excuse people use is, I don't live here.
I just came over to feed the dog.
I just came over to water the plants.
I don't live here.
The neighbors are out of town or whatever.
So, that was kind of funny.
But, eventually, it seems like most of these people were getting caught.
You don't get away with it for very long.
They don't joke about their money.
It's strange, man.
Yeah, and I don't, I'd like to, I'd be curious of the illegal implications on that.
But, anyway, that's enough about that, I guess.
I have a question, though.
Shoot.
What happens if, what happens when these people get caught?
I don't know.
Actually, that is a good question.
I don't know if they, I think, I think they simply have a fine.
They have to pay a fine.
And I don't know how they could possibly charge them back payments.
Because they don't, can't prove how long they've had the television.
Unless they,
Nothing to look into, though.
Yeah, that's, that is a good question.
I do not know the answer.
I'll have to, have to hit our overseas correspondent back up again.
I have to ask Nick 84 what's up with that.
Let's see.
But, see, he, I'm sure he's probably never been caught for something like that.
So, we've got to find somebody who's, who's been busted for that, you know.
If, if there's a listener, if there's a listener out there, uh, UT Crazy, or our listener from last week, or some of the people who emailed me, let me know if you've ever been caught in what the punishment was.
I do not, I did not find that.
I didn't think to look for it, actually, in my research.
Um, okay, anyway, let's move on to another email.
Uh, the second email this week comes from System Shocker.
And, System Shocker says,
Dear Stank, I mailed you a couple of times.
I'm from Romania.
Romania is not a part of Russia.
It's a democratic country.
I asked you not to play Betallica on the air, because it's an offense to Metallica.
If you won't air my mail, I'm going to kill myself.
My blood will be on my hands.
Well, you know, first of all, I'm glad your blood, your blood is on your hands and not mine, first of all.
It says my blood will be on my hands.
Well, good, good luck with that.
Have fun with that.
But, um, not for me.
But, um, I, I, first of all, honestly, I don't understand why you said that Romania is not a part of Russia.
I mean, did, unless on a past episode, I can't think of it.
Can you, uh, that I mentioned Russia or, or, uh, Romania being, uh, the same thing?
Or did I somehow make a mistake there?
Uh, kind of weird.
Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure.
I guess I must have and forgot about it.
But, uh, I guess, thank you for correcting me, like I cared.
Um, a little subliminal message there.
Um, yeah, thank you for correcting me.
Um, but, you know what, even if I was wrong on that, there's one thing I am 100% certain of.
And that is how horribly, incredibly much Metallica sucks the cock.
That is something that I, that is something that I can, oh, when I say cock, by the way, for our FM listeners out there, I say cock, I mean, of course, rooster.
They really suck the rooster.
For all of you listening on FM radio out there, um, I don't know if that got bleeped or not, but, of course, I was meant rooster when I said sucks the cock.
Um, but, yeah, like a really, really big feathery rooster, too, with a big head on the end of it.
Ugh, I can't stand Metallica.
I liked them before the whole Napster thing.
But, you know what, they sold out, they started crying because they weren't making enough millions.
Oh, no, I'm sorry, nine million is not enough.
We need 9.1.
You know what, Metallica, you can kiss my rooster.
How about that?
I can't stand them.
Ever since then, her, them, and...
I feel the same way, too.
And, um, Sheryl Crow.
You know?
They can both swing them in.
Sheryl Crow.
Yeah, isn't that her name?
Sheryl Crow.
She was the other one that was crying about how she was losing all this money and what a ripoff and stuff it was.
Really?
I remember Eminem was crying about it, too.
Was he?
I know, I think Dre was a little bit, but I think Dre gave in, finally.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, Chuck D is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
Right.
So, that's kind of cool.
Some people get it and some people don't, but Metallica doesn't.
And, and, and I've said this on the show before and I'm not going to get into this rant again, but it's unavoidable.
It's too late.
But, I mean, what was it, I used to have a saying, like on the first few episodes of the show, I used to use it a lot.
You can't put the shit back in the horse.
That's definitely going to get bleeped out on the radio, but you just, it's too late.
This is something that listeners and consumers demanded and they got tired of getting ripped off and they made this happen.
They gave themselves new opportunities and new options, you know, and it's not necessarily that it's the whole Napster sharing for free thing,
but these people are still fighting releasing their music in any kind of digital format.
They're all still fighting it, you know, other than, yeah, iPod and iTunes or whatever.
There, finally, some people, but there's people that still won't participate in that.
Right.
You know, it's ridiculous.
And you know what?
That's why people stop buying their albums.
That's why you haven't seen any, you haven't seen them on television and any concerts or getting in performances.
You know why?
Because no one cares.
Bye-bye.
We don't care about you, Lars.
You can go.
Bye.
Your 10, your 15 minutes of fame are over.
Leave.
Go cry to mommy.
Can't stand them.
And I never will.
I lost all respect for them.
But I might download their next album.
Oh, no way.
I didn't.
I'm sorry.
I didn't say that.
Actually, I wouldn't even waste my hard drive space, to be quite honest with you.
I hope they don't even have another album.
Yeah, I'm trying to catch myself here.
I hope this guy doesn't, like, kill himself because we're dissing Metallica.
He's all suicidal and stuff.
He says he's going to, if I don't air his mail, he's going to kill myself.
Well, I read your letter on the air.
Your email has been aired out to our listeners, thousands of listeners across the country.
There you go.
So don't kill yourself or anything.
But Metallica does suck.
So, sorry.
I can't help you with that one.
Um, oh, let's see.
What else do we have here?
We got a lot of email.
We got, um, I got this email from, uh, I'm going to withhold their name just because I'm
not sure if they would want me to release it, um, only because the tone of the letter,
I don't know if they want me to tie it to them.
But anyway, uh, first of all, Dear Count Buckingham Dangler.
I guess I've got so many nicknames now that they're all crossing over.
Uh, I have a few questions related to programming.
I am absolutely, and Natas, you're going to answer this.
Oh, God.
I'm just kidding.
I am absolutely sure that you answered this somewhere in the 50 radio shows that I have
yet to listen to.
However, I want to start messing around now, and I am apprehensive in regards where to
start.
Everyone has their own ideas and preferences.
As a person wanting to learn to program for automation, development, and fun, what would
you recommend as the appropriate language to learn, knowing that I know the following
things, which you will most likely know?
Well, not necessarily.
Don't, don't, don't sell yourself short and don't sell other people too high.
You'd be very surprised.
Uh, let's see.
He goes on.
He says, I have done away with Windows as my primary OS.
Linux is it for me.
Two weeks and counting.
Well, that's cool, but I don't necessarily think you have to get rid of Windows yet.
You know, I, I run both, you know, operating systems and then some around here.
So, you know, use the right one for the job.
I don't, I've never been one that said, I like Linux, I support it, but I've never been
one to say completely abandon Microsoft and go all Linux.
Not yet.
So, um, don't, you know, dual boot.
On my laptop, I dual boot to both, so I have the best of both worlds.
So, um, but since you have made the switch to Linux, uh, he goes on to say Linux is 90%
programmed in C.
Uh, I don't know how true that is, but I'll take your word for it.
Uh, C++ was developed from some reason I can't remember, but it had to do with Linux.
No, that's not exactly true at all, no.
Um, C++ was developed as one of the first, one of the early object-oriented programming
languages, and it, I think, I'm pretty sure, let's see, gosh, I wish I would have looked
this up before the show, now I'm on the spot, but I'm pretty sure that C, I'm pretty sure
that C++ might predate even the first versions of Linux.
I, I, if, if the listeners know, if the listeners, if the listeners, well, C's definitely, I know
for a fact C's been around for the longest of times, you know, um.
Is C the, is C the one that was made by AT&T, uh, Labs, or whatever?
Um, I don't know who developed, hmm, I don't know who developed C++.
Um, I think, I, I think it's safe to say that C++ was developed before Linux, but even
if it wasn't, and please, by all means, somebody correct me, email me if you know some specific
dates, um, and I'm probably gonna look this up after my show myself, because I get, I
won't be able to sleep without getting the answer to this, um, but it, really, I don't
think it was driven by Linux at all.
I mean, Linux, even when C++ came out, I mean, it's been a while, and Linux at that point
in time, even if it was developed, was still in its earliest, earliest infancy.
So, I don't know that Linux had anything to do with driving C++, I think it was just
a natural progression, uh, of a fourth generation programming language, just moving up to a
different, you know, moving up to a smarter, more powerful language, which has happened,
you know, for the past few decades as things just evolve, I think it was just a natural
progression of things.
So, I don't think it was really driven by Linux, I don't, don't believe that to be the
case.
Man, I feel like a noob not knowing any of this stuff.
Well, I'm not saying it's gospel or anything, but I feel pretty confident, I could be wrong.
Um, let's see, he goes...
I mean, didn't Linus program Linux and C, C++?
Um, I don't...
I don't know.
I don't know if it was C++, well, see, the thing is, it's been, it's one of those things
where there's so many people contributing to it, um, I don't know what the actual kernel,
because you know Linus is the one, Linus, however you want to pronounce it, is the one who
actually writes most of the kernel stuff, and incorporates everything in the kernel.
But, when people refer to Linux, they're really referring most of the time to the distro,
with all the other apps and stuff like that, and they're written in all kinds of different
things.
So, that's why I was kind of questioning the 90% written in C. A lot of it, quite a bit
is in C. That may be accurate, but it seems a little high to me, because there's a lot
of Perl, there's a lot of, um, uh, geez, there's, uh, just shellcode, simple shellcode,
script, shell scripts. Um, gosh, there's just too many languages to mention going on. Um, but
C is definitely the predominant one. But anyway, back on point to the email here, uh, in a radio
show about the mag card reader, 50-something, the guy said that he made it in VB, Visual Basic,
of course, because it needed to be quick and pretty. Does this mean you can't do the same
with C, or that it would have been much more work? Um, well, first of all, the guy he's referring
to is Acidus, uh, and when he had him on, we were talking about Stripe Snoop, we were talking
about mag cards in general and some programming stuff. Um, he did it in Visual Basic for the
simple reason that Visual Basic is easy. Super easy. And coming up in a few minutes, I'm going
to talk about that a little bit more myself, because I had never used Visual Basic until
very recently. Um, I had kind of purposely avoided it, but I decided to take the plunge.
I can tell you that Visual Basic obviously is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft Visual
Basic, Visual Studio, whatever version you have, comes with an editor, comes with a canvassing
tool that basically allows you to drag and drop and create all the visual aspects of a
program. That's what all of the visual languages do. Visual C++, Visual C Sharp, Visual J Sharp,
I think they're pushing now, et cetera, et cetera. All that these things do, what they do for
you is they save you the time of having to write all the functions and the code for the
visual interface to, obviously, since it's a Microsoft product, to Windows. So when you
get an application that was written in Visual Basic, for example, and usually you can find
out, usually they tell you, or you can figure out what it was written in somehow. Um, especially
open source projects, obviously. When you look at that, and let's, let's go ahead and stick, I mean,
we have to stick with Windows because, well, it's, that's the way it is. So you download, let's say,
a freeware application for Windows and install it and run it. When you look at that, all of the buttons,
all of the menus, the background image, the about button, all of those things, every time you click,
every time you drag, every time you point, every time you double click, every time you resize,
every single action in Windows has to be, you have to write a program that tells it how to handle
that. What do I do when somebody clicks this button? Well, A, it comes with a canvassing tool
to draw the button for you and let you move it around, which is nice, so you can make it look
visually super easy. And every time you do that, you drag a button, for example, onto the canvas.
The, what, that's what Visual Studio does is it writes all the code for that button behind the
scenes for you. It's initiated, it's created, the shell of what it's going to do is placed there for
you so that you don't have to spend time writing the function calls and all the objects for the
interface itself. So the button click itself, all you got to do is drag it and create it there in
Windows, I'm sorry, and Visual, whatever, Visual Basic will take care of the rest. You then go
to the source code and then you'll actually write more traditional programming of what you want the
button to do. It handles the button click and says when somebody presses the button, type here what you
want it to do and that's where your part of the programming comes in. So you can make a program with a
couple buttons on it and you have to write the code. If the button simply goes hello world and springs
back at you, that's, you know, that's a one-liner. That's a very simple thing and that goes back to
C++ you mentioned is object-oriented programming. The other thing about visual, all the visual products
is they come with a bunch of objects, a bunch of libraries with a bunch of objects and functions
and things already written common things. So not only does it write the code for you, it's actually
ridiculous how easy it's gotten. Not only does it write the code for the visual aspect, all the code,
a lot of the code for functions of what you want to do, you want to return a dialog box that says
hello world. There's a function that will return that and I'm afraid I don't know it well enough to
tell you exactly which objects they are and what parameters to pass to it, but I'm sure the parameter
is a string of some kind that you want it to display and when you call that, it has all that
stuff, all the code for that written behind the scenes as well in an object. So really you can type
one line and have a working visual basic program after just dragging and dropping, typing one line
of code, compiling it, you've got a program up and running. So when he says he made it in visual basic
because it needed to be quick and pretty, that's exactly the way it sounds. He drew it, put it up
very quickly, typed in his bit of code, which is not as simple as the one I just described. It's very
much different. And I think it was actually, I think his visual basic code was published in 2600
last issue or maybe the one before that. But anyway, that's what the visual products do.
They're Microsoft products, however, and as you said earlier, you've moved over completely
to Linux. So I hope I didn't bore you with that, but anybody who was wondering, there's
a little lesson on what the visual stuff is all about. Now getting into the differences
between .NET framework and web applications versus Windows applications, that's definitely
too much to go into right now. And I may have already bored Natus to sleep anyway. Are you
still alive? No. I feel like a noob now and I probably made an ass out of myself because
I don't know jack shit about programming. No, no, no. So I'm just going to keep my mouth
shut. Yeah, yeah, no, that's not really, the thing is you're learning. I know what you're
practicing and you're probably going to talk about it a little bit in the show and tell
coming up, but I know that you've been doing some programming and trying to learn and teach
yourself. And you know what, believe it or not, I know it can get frustrating sometimes,
but teaching yourself I still think is the best way. Just, it's kind of nice to have
somebody to bounce questions off of when you run into a problem. So that's why it's cool
to be surrounded with people like Not Theory and Voodoo Hal and programmers that know what
they're doing. You know, if I have a problem trying to write a Perl script, which I'm very,
you know, you're probably better at than me to be quite honest with you. I don't know
Perl that much. I call Duel. I call up Duel and ask him, you know, hey, what does this
mean? Hey, what am I doing wrong? What's this error I'm getting? You know, so it's definitely
nice to have people ask questions too. And our forums are filled with some pretty good
people, a lot of talented people. So there's always, you know, we have a code section for
you to go in and bounce code off of people and help other people with code and ask questions
and things like that. So don't sell yourself short. Believe me, you're not as bad as you
think. And now, let's see, where was it? This was an email. Where was I in this email?
Much more work. Okay. My final end result is to learn a programming language that is both
moderately easy to learn so that I could be able to start creating ASAP and one with a
high amount of versatility. Please help a poor, distraught, fumbling, and mumbling listener.
Well, like I just described, I know some people, you know, are the Linux diehards. They're not
going to like me recommending the Visual stuff. But if you want something fast and easy, Visual
Studio is the way to go. And even though it does a lot of the work for you, if you listen
to what I said earlier, it wasn't very long, but it was pretty, I think, a pretty good explanation
of it writing all that code and all the stuff behind the scenes. As long as you know what
it's doing that, it might actually give you a better understanding of what objects are.
Yes, okay, Visual Basic and Visual whatever makes it easier. But yes, you absolutely can
write those things from scratch, really in a text editor if you really got that much skill
that you can sit down. Dragging the buttons and all those interfaces and stuff like that,
all that stuff comes in libraries for whatever, not operating system, but whatever shell that
you're using. So if you want to write a visual application, you know, a button application,
whatever you want to call it, under Linux, you're probably going to use the KDE libraries or
the GNOME libraries and stuff like that, which come with most of that stuff already done or at
least tell you how to do it and you can figure it out for yourself. But that's a lot to learn.
Uh-oh, what happened?
Yeah.
Oh, I thought I dropped you there. I heard a click.
Oh, no, no. Yeah, I got kind of static for a second.
Yeah. So, yeah, you can technically sit down and write it all from scratch, but Visual Studio
does it for you. So does some other editors. Forte, which is I think now called Sun1, which
is a Java development tool. It's kind of similar. We'll let you do a lot of that stuff and write
a bunch of the code for you. But yes, you can sit down. If you know the library calls,
you're going to use glibc, all that stuff for your basic, basic code. And you're going
to use KDE, GNOME, whatever, you know, whatever interface, whatever X Windows libraries that
you want to use for your particular application. Now, if you use specifically KDE stuff, it's pretty
much going to work only in KDE without some tweaking by the user anyway. So usually people
just use the X libraries, the X11, the X386, whatever your library of choice is to do that
kind of stuff under Linux. I personally cannot recommend or don't know of a good visual editor
under Linux. I don't know if they exist. Every time I've done anything in Linux, quite frankly,
I do it through VI. And I hate VI, but that's the only thing, you know, I'm just old school.
I started doing it that way and I've never learned anything any better. So that's definitely something
if somebody knows better and has more experience, I'd love to hear some good applications or suites,
programming suites for Linux, you know, for the GUI, for the Linux GUI, that is.
So, all that I just threw at you, my recommendation, quite simply, start off with C. Just start off,
look at some C applications that are already out there. Perl is great, but it's really a scripting
language. It's a powerful, powerful one that can do a lot of things that even C does. But Perl and shell
scripting and things like that are not, they're very command line oriented. They're not something
you can do visual stuff with. It depends on, it's the same thing I said earlier, it's the right tool
for the job. If you want to write just a script, you want to automate something quickly, Perl's great
at stuff like that. If you want to draw something with buttons, you want to write a game, you want to
write something that people click on and use in a GUI, then you definitely want to go with the C,
C++ route. Because you can use, again, a lot of those libraries that have pre-compiled functions,
pre-compiled objects that you can call upon, and it makes it that much easier.
See, this is the thing, you can go on forever. Perl has that stuff. I'm pretty sure there's things
that will let you do graphics and interfaces in Perl, but personally, I don't think Perl is best
applied that way. That's just a matter of opinion, though. Anyway, geez, I hope I didn't just use up
our entire show going off on that. Good stuff, though. Well, I hope, yeah, I hope I didn't put
you to sleep again. I tell you what, let's go on to another email here before we completely bore
everybody to tears. And I hope that helped. I really do. And if you, you know, you can go out
to our forums again, binrev.com, forums.binrev.com. We have a code section. There's also a bunch of
projects that I've added out there recently. So go out there and get involved. Some of them are
programming, some of them are non-programming. There's a lot of people out there that know what
they're doing, so definitely it's a good resource to go check out. Now, next email here comes from
another person with their real name that I'm going to hold out. And this person says,
I think it would be interesting to do a show all about text encryption, some sort of encryption
primer for noobs. Just an idea. It's something I don't know much about. Well, again, somebody asked
last week, and I bring it up again this week to remind people that we are, I've been communicating
with Alonka. We've just had conflicts of schedule. Alonka, that's, she's the expert. She's definitely the
one to talk to about encryption. I know the basics, but she's definitely the one to answer questions.
So I am going to be putting, I've already put some show notes together. I've already put some
questions to put up to her to try to start with the beginning and then see how much more advanced
we can get by the end of the show. But she is definitely the one to talk about, and we are in
the process of scheduling. It might be next week. It might be the week after that. It might be the
week out. It's definitely going to be soon within the next month or so. Sounds like good stuff, though.
Oh, she's, and you know what, and not only is she brilliant, you know, I know she's very
humble, she doesn't like, but not only is she really good at what she does, but she was
so nice. I don't know if you had time to meet her. Did I introduce you, or did you meet
her at Freaknik?
Was she the lady that was with, what's his name, and he was doing the Magstripe stuff?
Yeah, oh, I forgot all about it. She did come into our room.
Yeah, it was awful that I didn't get to meet her because you were busy filming and stuff.
Yeah, Acidus was doing some stuff, yeah, we were doing some stuff for Hack TV, and she
was in there for part of that kind of watching, and we talked about some things. Yes, that
was her, so yeah, that's who we're talking about, and like I said, I have spoken to her
a couple times, and we are going to get her on the show sometime soon, so look forward
to that. And our last email of the day here, gosh, sometimes we end up with a show full
of emails, which is great, though, because, you know, it tells me what people want to hear,
so. This last email is from Alien Elite, who says, hey, Stank, I've been meeting to
write in for a while just to say the show was one of my favorites. I found it a while
back and have been hooked ever since. I haven't been able to check out the zine yet, but I'll
be ordering soon. I also was happy as hell to see OldSchoolFreak.com back up and running.
All right, man, take it easy, and I'll be looking forward to checking out the BinRev Magazine
piece.
Yes. And this is probably a good way to segue. We'll close up the mailbag, mailbag, that
is, and head into the show and tell. And I guess we'll segue into you to start it off
because he mentioned OldSchoolFreak back up and running, and I didn't do that. You did
that.
Who did?
You did. You did. You the man. You the man.
Really?
Yep. It's got your name all over it. Somebody's been doing it. Somebody's been maintaining it.
I don't know if I've been doing it.
I moved it over to a new hosting. I transferred the name, all that kind of stuff, and then handed
it over to you. So don't be humble. It's all yours.
Good stuff, though.
So what exactly, what have you been doing with OldSchoolFreak? This is your, I'm going to
take a sip of this crappy, horrible-tasting Pepsi Edge because I have nothing else to drink
in the house. So you go ahead and talk about your show and tell stuff while I take a sip of
this liquid and crap.
Oh, you're putting me on the spot. But, yeah, I don't know. What should I talk about?
Well, what have you done with OldSchoolFreak?
Well, I don't know. I've just been maintaining it and everything, you know?
Yeah. What kind of, what kind of, yeah.
People are still sending in articles and stuff.
And it's just something that I didn't want to see. Just sit there and just die.
All right.
You know?
Yeah.
I wanted to maintain it.
Yeah, and none of us did. And our worst-case scenario was we were going to bring it back
up as a final version just for integrity, just so people could still get the old text files
and stuff on there.
But you took it over and, yeah, people are sending articles. And not only people, you
wrote some articles and put them up there, too. Didn't you do some back-spoofing things?
Yeah, I did a back-spoofing exchange scan in Mount Vernon, Washington. It was one of the
first new VoIP switches up there. And so I just thought it was something cool to mess with.
Yeah, that's kind of cool.
So I did that, and I had some pretty cool results. So I don't know, I made it into a
file.
Yeah, and there's quite a few. There's some other scans that have been put up there lately,
too. Some of them from overseas.
Yeah, Briscativo.
Yeah. Where was it? Australia? Or no?
Yeah, Australia. He's been going crazy. He got VoIP, and he got a provider that offers
good international plans, you know? So he went with them, and he's just been going crazy
with the thing. He's always been into the Australian phones and everything, the phone
system down there. So I'm like, the best thing that has happened to him for a while,
you know? He's all psyched on it.
Yeah, very cool.
I just updated it tonight, too, actually. He sent in a file last week with a Sydney scan,
and then right after I posted it, like a couple minutes later, he submitted another one.
And so, I took a, I don't know, I lagged, and I took a couple days, and then I just
updated it tonight, and so that's on there now.
No, that's all right. You update when you have time. We all know how that is. Real
life takes precedence and work and all that kind of stuff, but it's just really cool to
see that there's still as many, it's still being updated as much, and there's still people
submitting stuff just as much as there ever has been. If anything, it's been moving faster
than I expected. It's really been, and been still moving along quite well.
That's good. I'm glad, you know? It's such like a good site. I didn't want to just see
it sit there.
Yeah, and the other thing is we, there were some changes that we needed to make, and are
still in the process of making, but for the most part, we didn't want to stray from what
it originally was. You know, we're not going to change the content or the basic overall
feel of the site, but there were some minor changes here and there. Of course, the emails,
oh, that's right, you should definitely pimp the email because we told people that because
we were switching boxes and because of some changes, we lost all the email accounts, but
we are now, you have set up a no account for people to submit things to?
Yep. We were using Gmail for a while, but now that it's back up, I got Mattis at OldSchoolFreak,
you can submit articles to. Mattis at OldSchoolFreak.com. That's like the main email.
Okay.
And then, yeah, I set some people back up with their forwarders too, so if people are listening
to this and they used to have forwarders, just hit me up and let me know where you wanted
to go to and what your email was and everything, because I know, like, Icon had one and Brisk
had one.
Yeah, I think that's one of the pages.
Put that back up.
Yeah, that's one of the pages I think we lost, unfortunately, but, yeah, contact Mattis
at OldSchoolFreak.com and let him know, and make sure you put mine back on there too.
Make sure you route that one over to my other address.
Put my forwarder there.
No doubt.
Yep, and let's see what, oh, and also some other changes that you made were, as the times
changed and technologies changed, we were starting to run into a situation where all the text files
were gathering up, but it was getting harder to kind of categorize them, so you added, I
know, at least a VoIP section.
You put a voiceover, you separated the voiceover IP articles, right?
Did you do something else, or?
Uh, well, it's a VoIP slash asterisk, actually.
Ah, that's what it was, okay.
I mean, even though some of them have, like, it's kind of weird because, I mean, some of
them are Perl, you know, and so they kind of fall into two categories, but I left it
under, you know, it's made for asterisk, so I put it under the VoIP slash asterisk section.
Yeah, that's probably the best.
So there's some good stuff in there.
Yeah, that's probably the best idea.
I mean, VoIP's, like, so hot right now.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, man.
Even me, I'm not a freak, but even me, I'm excited about VoIP.
Yeah, see?
I've been playing with some stuff myself with my new VoIP set up.
I don't have all the asterisk stuff that you guys have, and I have a box here that I was
going to do it, and I finally just said, you know what, don't overcommit to another project
that you're not going to have time to do, so I'm not going to get into it like you guys.
Because you guys can teach me that stuff.
I'll let you guys handle that.
Because I know between you and Not Theory and Voodoo Howl, all you guys.
Nick 84.
Yeah, Nick 84.
Yep, good.
Good, good.
Oh, man.
Pepsi Edge is horrible.
Yeah.
All right, well, let's, and I guess that's all that you're working on that we can mention
on the air, right?
That's all we can talk about.
So, unless, did you have something else?
Oh, I don't know.
I just want, you know, I just want people to know that I'm maintaining it and everything
now, and I just want, you know, just send me email, let me know what you think, if I'm
doing a good job or if I'm doing a bad job or what.
I mean, I'm kind of like, I was kind of nervous taking over and everything.
It's got, it's like a certain quality level, and I didn't want to, I didn't want to bring
it down.
Well, I can, I can tell you as a matter of a fact right here on the air that you're not
taking it down.
You're doing a fantastic job.
It's moving wonderfully.
Cool.
Thanks a lot.
Yeah.
So, yeah, if anybody has anything to say, just email me, and if you have articles to
send in or if you have sites with some stuff that you want to, you know, you got some like
Perl scripts or something, some hack freak stuff.
Some scans.
Send it to me.
You got scans or some back spoofs?
Yeah, definitely back spoofs.
I don't know if too many people know about back spoofs.
Well, they have to, you know what?
They're going to have to buy the second issue.
Is it a second issue?
Third issue.
Yeah, the third issue.
Third issue.
The last one.
I don't even, yeah, that's terrible.
I've lost track of my own magazine.
There's only three issues out.
Issue 2.1, the third issue of Binary Revolution magazine, has the back spoofing article, and
yeah, I agree with you.
I don't think people realize how cool back spoofing really is.
You've got to buy issue 2.1, the green cover, the latest issue of Binary Revolution magazine,
and read that article by Not Theory.
He discovered that it's really, really cool, and you can get a lot of cool information,
and, you know, it's evident by going out and checking out your back spoofing scans and stuff
on oldschoolfreak.com.
Yeah.
Oh, and you know what else?
We probably can't go into detail, but I got some articles from you, didn't I?
Yeah, I wrote an article about back spoofing, like a follow-up to Not Theory's article, actually.
Yep, that's what...
So that'll hopefully be in the next issue.
Yeah, that's likely...
It'll be coming out this winter, right?
Well, knock on wood.
We have jobs and lives, and I have already edited about a third of the articles this past weekend,
so it is underway.
I have spoken with Logan Five.
We're both just horribly swamped at work right now, so we are both trying to squeeze it in
as much as we can, so the process of creating the new one has begun, and yes, we do hope
to get it out by the end of December, hopefully, but we can't commit or swear to that, so don't
get all bent out of shape if it's not there.
Yeah, you know, people need to realize people got lives.
You know, and I mentioned...
I want to give you a pat on the back for this, too.
I mentioned on...
It might have been the last show, the last episode, or a recent episode, about...
I went on a little soapbox about using your time wisely, and how, like, I wrote the introduction
for this issue of the magazine on the plane ride on the way to Freaknik, and a little
bit on the way back, I polished it up.
In addition to writing those, I also studied for one of my certification exams that I'm
going to be taking, and I guess as long as we're doing this, I don't want to lead this
way, but if you're done, I'll go into my show and tell stuff, I guess, kind of, but I'm
bringing this up because you did something that I...
You probably don't even realize that I noticed this, but it means a lot when I see somebody.
It's a good sign for me when I see somebody do this, and that is, at Freaknik, in the
hotel room, when there was downtime and there was nothing going on, you were on your laptop
and working on this article.
And that, sincerely, is a sign of somebody who really wants to learn and wants to do this.
And I know you don't think that I noticed that, and I don't want to sound all corny or
anything like that, but that was really, it really was, I was very impressed to have
seen it.
That was very cool, using your time, using free time, getting stuff done, you know, I
thought that was really cool.
And those, that's the article that you submitted for us, so...
There's actually two articles.
Right, right, and I've actually, I have not edited them, but I did give them the quick scan,
the quick once-over, and they both look pretty good.
I don't know if we're going to get them both in this issue, one might have to wait until
next, I'm not sure.
We'll see how the space situation works out.
But, yeah, they both look good at first glance, and one of them is definitely going to be in
there.
Rad.
Yeah, I was pretty busy, you know, and then I was just, I was like, now or never.
Yeah.
I did at Freaknik.
Yeah, that's the thing, because you know when you're done with Freaknik, you've got to go
back home and go to work.
Yeah, exactly.
You've got to get in where you fit in, you know?
We've got to speed up here.
I'm going to make mine very quick.
I had quite a bit going on this past week, but I'm going to make it short because we're
running on time a little bit.
I mentioned Visual Studio earlier.
I've actually been using VisualStudio.net.
I've never, I know about it, I've seen it, I've opened it up before, and then stood there
with my jaw hanging open at all of the buttons and all of the stuff that's on the screen going,
and where do I begin?
Well, earlier this week, I just said, forget it.
I dove in, in the deep end, off the high dive, head first.
All right, well, maybe not off the high dive, but I jumped into the deep end and went straight
into working on some Visual Studio stuff.
I had a couple projects in mind that I wanted to work on, and I just started doing them.
And I hope it's not totally messing up the recording here that my other phone, we're on
the VoIP phone, so my real phone is ringing in the background.
That's pretty funny.
But I, let's see here, what was I going to say?
I am working on some VisualStudio.net stuff, and it's pretty simple that, like I said, it
lets you draw the buttons, it lets you do all the work, or excuse me, it does all the work
for you so that you can concentrate just on the application of the code itself and stuff
like that.
So I jumped in, and quite frankly, somebody who had no experience whatsoever, somebody
who'd never used it before, and in a matter of about an hour, I had laid out the entire
application, I had the buttons, I had everything created, and I went straight over to the code
and was actually filling in the rest of the code as I went along, and it's not quite done
yet because I ended up getting sidetracked on something else, as usually happens to me,
unfortunately. And I ended up having to abandon it temporarily, or at least move on to something
else temporarily. So I was really surprised at exactly how easy it was. So when I speak
earlier about, you know, when I was talking earlier about how easy it is to jump into that,
just to let you know, it's very, very, very easy. So I did that. I've done, I've been doing
some database work. I'm a database programmer for the listeners who probably listened for
a while, know that. And I've been working on a database lately that just is the biggest
steaming piece of crap I've ever seen, ACT. I don't know if you've ever heard of ACT.
It's a personal information manager, a contact managing program. What a piece of crap this
product is. It's so horrible. It uses a proprietary database, everything stored internally.
And that's fine. That's not necessarily unusual. But on top of that, it doesn't have any export
functions. The only thing it'll do is export a comma separated value file. And it's only
selected information. It doesn't export everything. It only exports the main fields. I need all of
them. And the other thing that really blew my mind is that it's not ODBC compliant. And I thought
that was just ridiculous. I can't believe that an application in 2004 is still doesn't have
ODBC compliance built into it. I mean, that's ridiculous. But not going to go on that rant
either. I actually have some happy news. I mentioned earlier that I switched to VoIP. Lucky 225 gave
me a recommendation. So I got to shout him out with VoIP provider. And the other part of that,
I was waiting to coincide these two things to switching to VoIP and installing and setting
up my 5.8 gigahertz phone system. Since I've got everything coming through VoIP into one main
unit now, I had to get one of those expandable so I'm able to put a handset in the other rooms
where I had phones in the past. So I got that set up and working. I got a VTEC system. It's
really cool because it has a USB port on it and audio uplink that I can connect to the computer
and I can upload my own ringtones, wallpapers and stuff like that to the phone, which is
really cool. Kind of silly maybe, but it's kind of cool to be able to put whatever person's
picture, like anytime Natus calls, I can have that picture of him and the horse from Nashville
show up on my screen. We got to put that in the gallery soon.
Owned.
Yeah, that was good stuff. And other than that, I'm kind of stoked because I had an article
published in the current 2600, current issue of 2600, and the current issue of Blacklisted
411. So that's kind of cool that I was in both at the same time. So that's what I've been
working on and I'm talking really fast because I'm trying to get all this content in. We got
two stories I wanted to cover. And Natus, help me out with this one because I'm going
to take a drink here. But the story, give them the story. What happened with Microsoft?
There was a big discovery with Microsoft this week.
Yeah. So basically every, they found out that every copy of Windows XP contains nine different
audio files. It's in a certain folder. It's in the help slash tours slash Windows Media
Player slash audio slash wave. And there's all these wave files. And then if you open
them up with a hex editor, they noticed at the bottom, you'll see a small signature or
whatever it is.
Right.
It's in the last line. Then it says, what does it say? It says something about deep zone.
Yeah. It's got some numbers in it and deep zone and then SoundForge 4.5. In plain text,
you can clearly read that in the last line. And you can actually, again, it was help slash
tours slash Windows Media Player slash audio slash wave. And you can open some of those up and take a
look. You can open them even in notepad. It doesn't have to be a hex editor. The hex editor just
kind of makes it cleaner and easier. But you can open them up in notepad and look at the bottom of
them. Now, why is this big news? Why is this important? The fact that it says, well, see, there's two
things. First, the audio files were created using, guess what?
SoundForge.
There you go. SoundForge 4.5. So seeing that signature in there, we know that they use SoundForge as the
application to make their audio files. Big whoop. Who cares? Whatever. Well, that's not,
the important part. The important part is just before that. Those numbers and letters and the
name Deep Zone. That's the important part of this. Deep Zone. And it's been a while, so I know some of
the younger people might not have heard of him or recognized the name Radium. But they were a cracking
group. And they broke up a few years back. But they released key generators, software cracks,
things like that. And actually, Zerl in the opening theme mentions things cracked by Radium. I mean,
it's in the song. I mean, they are well known. And Deep Zone was one of the members. Well,
why would his name? I mean, okay, SoundForge shows up in there because they use SoundForge. But why
would the name of this cracker show up in the signature of this file? Now, wait a minute. Let
me think. I'm suddenly, I'm a little confused. Where would that have come from? Let me think.
Could it possibly be? You don't think, Natus, you don't think it's? Did they use pirated
software at Microsoft? Why would they? No, not Microsoft. No, not Microsoft. Couldn't have
been. Not our buddies at Redmond. Copyright infringement, anyone? Hello? Microsoft, that
signature is definitely recognizable and is placed there if you're using a cracked version
of SoundForge 4.5. So they used the cracked version of SoundForge 4.5. And that little
signature, that little line at the end is proof that they used it. They're caught. They're
busted red-handed. And it's on, as Natus mentioned earlier, every copy of Windows XP.
It's on the CD. It's on every, it was released like that. All these, and we've talked before
about like every file, your JPEGs even. You take a JPEG with a digital camera. There's
all kinds of attributes. Not only file size and read-write attributes. There's all kinds
of other things like an ID3 tag and MP3 files. Has all that extra information. Same thing with
JPEGs. You take something with a digital camera, it adds a lot of information if you've ever put
your name in your camera or some kind of customization, that would be tied to it. Microsoft got caught
up in their own over-engineering, which I think is kind of funny. I can't wait to see if they
get sued over this. I don't, I, I, I'm sure they'll dodge it. I'm sorry?
It's pretty damn funny. It's a little bit, it's a little bit, uh, I don't know. It's
like, I don't know if it's shocking.
Like I was going to say, you really can't believe it. I mean, seriously. I mean, it's
funny that it happened, but I really can't believe that you would think they'd be more
careful.
It's like so ironic, though.
Yeah.
Like, the richest, the richest company in the world, pirating software.
Kind of be curious now, honestly, to, um, that's a good point. The richest company in
the world, pirating software. That's a great point. Um, I'm kind of curious now to go looking
and see what other files have that signature in it, or other files with other signatures
and start catching and start seeing that kind of information. I hope this doesn't turn into
like a big crackdown where people start doing that. But, hey, we'll see what comes of it.
Now, the thing about, the other funny thing about this, and the reason I say Microsoft will
probably end up getting off scot-free, they'll get out of it somehow, um, is because SourceForge
at the time, 4.5 was like the last one they released as SourceForge before they sold the
rights. Now, the rights, I'm sorry, I said SourceForge, I think, I meant SoundForge, I think
I said SourceForge. But SoundForge now is owned by my other favorite company, Sony. Sony bought
the rights to SoundForge and releases the newer versions. So, it's kind of, another cool thing
about this is it's kind of cool to see the two big boys, the big companies, fighting with
each other for a change. Let them fight each other. Let them sue each other to death instead
of all these big companies coming down and suing 12 and 13 year old girls and 80 year old women and
stuff like that. Let's see them take on someone their own size. I want to sit back and watch this.
But, you know, quite honestly, I think they're both going to back down. They're both going to be scared
of each other and they're going to end up working out some kind of silly agreement and there won't
be any punishment. Nothing will come of it. And the other thing is there's a, there is kind of a
potential for a loophole here. If Microsoft can prove, or I don't know how much they have to prove,
they can claim that all their audio work might have been outsourced because that happens a lot,
especially in games and different software. They'll outsource the software to someone else or they'll
buy stock libraries of sound files or video files or picture files, etc. And if they claim that it was
done by a contractor, that it wasn't actually developed in-house by them, then the liability shifts to
someone else. So, they'll get out of it some way or the other. One of those things is going to happen.
I'd feel bad for the contractor.
Yeah, well, then they'd have to prove the contractor as well, did it? And, you know, it's, I don't know.
Yeah, well, let's see how it all plays out. It's very interesting. This just came out yesterday, so
it's pretty interesting. Let's see where that goes. I suspect it'll end up, Microsoft just
has a way of not, I don't know what I'm trying to say.
Either way out of it.
Yeah, I don't know what I'm trying to say. They'll get away with it, you know. They're
Microsoft.
Yeah.
You know, nobody can touch Microsoft. Not even the government. They're too big for the government
to mess with. Because, you know what, if the government mess was with them, Bill says,
you know what, you guys all use Windows, right? Let me just shut you guys off real quick.
Government, bye-bye. Gone. Meanwhile, of course, all the governments of most other major developing
countries use Linux. And that was the kind of the cover and the opening, my opening introduction
for issue 1.2 of our magazine was that exact topic. The United States is still caught up
and in bed with Microsoft. And that's dangerous. But I digress. I had one other topic I wanted
to cover tonight. And actually, Natas, you can probably talk about this more than I can because
I just recently installed this. And what I'm talking about is that Google Desktop, is that
all it's called? Google Desktop Search or Google Desktop Indexer or something like that?
I think it's just called Google Desktop.
Just the Google Desktop. Well, I finally broke down and installed it and played with it.
But you put it on like right when it came out, didn't you? I know you're a fan of Google.
Yeah. No, I like Google. And yeah, I was kind of excited when it came out because I just
thought it would be a good way to index text files and everything. Just so if I was looking
for a certain number, real quick, I would know what file it was in.
Oh, that would be really handy for scans and things like that. Yeah.
Right. I would never put it on like my server at work or anything. But this is just something
I put on my home desktop. And I put it on a laptop that I just screw around with and
think of format whenever I want it.
Right. And that's really the moral of this whole story. And I think a few people have mentioned
this and discovered this. This thing will index not only your text files, but all of
your files, no matter what they are. It'll index all of your files, including your porn.
I mean, not that I had any or anything. I'm just saying theoretically, of course.
I'm not saying it indexed my porn. I mean, I don't have any porn. Wait a minute. Hold
on. Scratch that. Back up. It'll index all of your files. Joking aside, it'll index everything.
And not only that, it can index your – you know what else I found? I found – when
I did some Google searches, I found – it found for me and reported stuff from my cache, which
was kind of scary. I didn't realize it was going to do that. But technically, all this
stuff in the cache is a file, and it does get indexed. So I had some remnants out in the
cache that I was surprised to show up on a search when I looked for some stuff. But at the
same time, I've got to tell you, I searched for some specific things that I knew existed
to see how many copies I had or something, and they didn't show up. So I don't know how
thorough this is. I had some text files with a couple certain keywords in it that I was
looking for, and it did not find them. Not all of them.
Well, the whole thing is that it takes a little bit of time for it to index everything.
Yeah. When I installed it –
It doesn't do it right away. It uses your idle CPU cycles to index everything.
When I first installed it, it said it was going to take several hours. And basically,
I did it before I went to bed and let it run overnight. So it should be fully indexed by
now. Of course, it's an ongoing process. As you add new files and move stuff around, it's
going to keep re-indexing and everything. But the bulk of it should be done up front
in one mass process at the beginning.
So yeah, the thing is, if you're using it on a computer at home, like Nada said, if you're
using it on just a computer that only you use, then it's fine. Then it's great. I won't
say it's great, but it could be useful in certain situations. Frankly, I don't know that I'm going
to use it a whole lot, to be quite honestly with you. I tried it a couple times. And it
also integrates with the regular Google. I went on the Google search engine page to search
for something. And at the top of that, it shows the local files on my hard drive first.
Yeah.
I didn't want that. I just wanted a separate indexing for local files only. So that kind
of annoyed me because I just want my web results. I don't want the local results.
Yeah. They should have a feature to disable it. There might be, and I just haven't found
it.
Yeah. I don't think I haven't found it either because it's all there online.
Yeah. I haven't looked. I pretty much just set it up and got the basics.
But I mean, this is only beta still, you know?
Oh, it is beta. I did not know if it was beta or not. Is it still beta version?
Yep.
Okay. I don't remember whether it was or not. I just downloaded it when they announced it.
Yeah. I don't know. Google is pretty good about listening to what users want and what
they don't want and stuff. So if enough people complain about some of this stuff, it might
help, you know?
Yeah. One other cool thing that I didn't, I wasn't intending to bring this up on the
show, but since you mentioned Google changes, they added Pop3 support to Gmail. Did you see
that?
Yeah. Yeah, I did. And like the whole thing is that they're making money off of you revealing
the ads when you log into the site and everything.
Yeah, but how are they...
It's kind of weird that they actually did that.
I know, and I'm still surprised, and they claim that they are fully intending this. I
mean, it's still... Gmail also is in beta still, and this is something they just added
recently, but they claim that they're going to keep it in there for the long term. They
have no plans of taking it out. So I thought that was kind of cool. I have actually added
Gmail to my local mail checks, just like I check all my other servers. I check the Gmail
server remotely now too. I leave copies of it on Gmail because it's a gigabyte of space. I mean,
might as well use it. And again, I told you earlier about some other tricks I'm using it for, which is
going to be kind of cool. So yeah, Google's doing some cool things. Now this, the only point I wanted
to bring up other... We made the point, but I just wanted to make people think also like this.
Don't put this on a system at work, not only a server, but even on your personal system at work
because it then indexes your personal emails. And if somebody comes along behind you and does a
search, even if it's innocent, even if it's part of a work process, if they do a search for something,
it might accidentally pop up one of your email subject lines or something like that, potentially
embarrassing, depending on what you're searching for, etc. But potentially embarrassing and a privacy
invasion. But they could argue that you shouldn't have extra software at work anyway, but that's
neither here nor there. The other cool, interesting thing is what if you go to a kiosk? And this is on
my list of things to try. If I go to a kiosk and either I have access to Google and it allows me to
download and install things, which most of them shouldn't. They prevent that. Or if I root it and
put it on anyway, if I break into, if I, if I root the kiosk and get access to install, if I put it on
there, let that thing index and see everything that's on there. I can start searching for, for
example, oh, I don't know, password, something like that, usernames, default, stuff like that. So
I think that might be an interesting application of it. And whether or not it's a kiosk or not,
you know, if I'm having a sleepover at Natas' house, if we're having like a pajama party and I
sneak onto Natas' computer and install it, I can search all through his stuff.
How about that?
Uh-oh, fear.
Fear. Owned!
All right. Well, I guess that's probably enough. Unless, is there anything about...
Well, what are you going to talk about? You didn't mention how, um,
it bypasses password-protected files as well.
Yeah, I, yeah, go ahead. I, I absolutely did not mention that. Go ahead.
Password-protected.
I noticed this on my computer when I was testing it out. I had some Word files that I have password-protected.
I mean, I'm not trying to be like uber secure with them or anything, but just, you know,
for basic stuff like somebody else at work or my parents or something, couldn't get into it.
Just like basic Word files of like, I don't know, like company data or something. And once I opened
them, once you open them, it indexes them. So even, even if they're password-protected,
it's got an indexed copy of it.
And it's a copy of not just the file name, but the actual contents?
Yeah.
Wow, that's scary. So if I search for it, and it gives me a link to that local file,
it'll actually, like if it's a password-protected document file, it'll allow me to open it?
It won't allow you to open it, because, um...
It's still password-protected.
It's still password-protected, but it'll have a cache of it that you could get.
And you can search all the keywords, all your search will look through the contents of
that file. And the same thing, isn't that also true for password-protected email accounts
and stuff as well?
I'm guessing, yeah.
I think so. I think I read that somewhere as well.
Yeah, if you open it, it's going to index it. It basically is like the thing to remember.
Well, I guess all my show notes are indexed. That could be handy if I want to go search
through 70 episodes of show notes.
So I have a reason. I guess I will keep it on here at home, but I'm definitely not going
to put it anywhere else other than a very, very trusted machine. I also wouldn't put
it on my laptop. Laptop, you have a tendency to let people borrow them or use them or whatever,
or you're using them in front of people, and you could be potentially caught in something
embarrassing.
It'd be a good feature if they could just keep it so it only does certain folders you want
or something, you know?
Right.
Like certain directories.
Yeah. Well, like you said, it's beta. Maybe they will add some of that stuff in.
Mm-hmm. You never know.
All right. Well, I guess that's... I can't think of anything else for that. I'm glad you
brought that up, though. That was a good point. I forgot all about it.
Yeah.
So I guess, you know, this is a full show. I mean, we're just about out of time. By the
time we mix in the opening, closing music and stuff, I think we're done here. So let's
move into the shout-outs. I'll tell you what, I'll go ahead and give a couple shout-outs
first. To Black Ratchet. I've been talking with him lately. I've been working on some
stuff. Obfuscated to Logo SX and to the old man Logan 5. Happy birthday. Big shouts out
to Logan 5. Yeah, yeah. And what else you got?
Um, I got shouts. I don't know.
Oh, yes, you do. Not theory. Go ahead.
Not theory, my hero.
There you go.
The least programmer ever.
Yeah, I don't know. Normal people. Nick84, of course, helps me out all the time. Just everybody
on the BinRev forums, Decoder, the cutest.
Nick84. All those guys. Nick84 hasn't banned you from Instant Messenger? He hasn't blocked
you from Instant Messenger yet? I don't talk to him on Instant Messenger. I talk to him on
the PMs. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, he's probably getting pretty sick of me, though, so. Shouts
to him for not killing me. No, Nick's a great guy. He always helps out. I bother him with
stuff, too. He knows, I mean, Nick knows his stuff. There's no doubt. Nick84 is the man.
Oh, yeah.
Um, all right, well, uh, let's see. Email, if you have feedback for this or any other episode,
you can email us at radio at binrev.com. And, uh, let's, why don't you go ahead and tell,
what was the email address for Old School Freak?
Natus at oldschoolfreak.com.
Okay, if you have any submissions, scans, phone freaking articles, content, stuff like
that, send that over there. Um, and our closing music tonight, I'm really, really tempted to
play Betallica. I'm kind of, I'm kind of tempted to play Metallica, but, yeah, I don't want to
get sued because they sue everybody. Cry babies. Um, Betallica, on the other hand, gave us permission
to play their songs. So, I'm tempted to do that, but, yeah, actually, you hooked me up
with something better. We got a little Dirty South crunk to drop on them, provided by Natus.
And, uh, go ahead and tell them who it is.
Uh, it's called the, he's called the Mr. Move. His name's Reggie. Pretty badass. White guy.
He's doing his thing.
And the name of the track that we're going to play is Liquor Jam.
And you know what, and you know what, I, I asked, I had to ask Natus for this.
I asked Natus for this song because you have this on your voicemail.
And I sit there and I'm like, man, this is kind of, I'm rocking to this, man. This is good stuff.
I actually had to find out what it was, so we're going to close with that track.
Um, and I guess that's going to do it.
So, Natus, thank you for co-hosting the show with me.
You're welcome.
Thank you all for having me on. It was fun.
Yeah, you did a really, really good job.
First time on the show. Not too nervous. It's kind of, it's fun.
It's, it's not that, it's not all that big a deal.
Um, but, thank you for being on.
And, uh, this is the point where we tell all the listeners that we will see them next week.
Same hack time.
Same hack channel.
Actually, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on.
Natus.
Yeah.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
I just realized, you're running OldSchoolFreak.com.
Yeah.
You're co-hosting the show.
Uh-huh.
We, we shared a room at the hotel at Freaknik.
What in the, what, what is up with all this, why are you all up in DDP's business?
What's, what's up with all the DDP stuff?
The DDP bitch.
The dog pound.
Welcome aboard.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I'm at the farm.
Yeah.
Now I'm living full, thought I'd rather party with a dick girl
Then a skinny model, the doctor said, you need some shots
So I took her to the floor with the skull, I got the hot floor
Now that I'm thinking, he didn't be drinking, he was talking about the needle
Never said the wheedle, help not hinder
My hidden agenda, getting that pretty girl to fender
Body, open mind, brawl shook behind, down to the grind
Eyes on me, but she's wide, I ain't trying to have a steady
Do some friendship with Reginetti, pull out my machete
Cause it's about time for a scene to cut it up
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see
It's lots of shots and beer, for fear of being sober up in here
It's clear, my dear, I wouldn't be in your rear
If it wasn't for all this liquid cheers to steal your rear right over here
Let me work you up some tears, when I get you wet
Remove the Reggie bed, Reggie gonna net, find the smoke set
You know what you mean when the bottle's empty
Let's see, oh hell, I got about three
More before I'm sure, I'm sayin' I'm not poor
Cause I'm tellin' the leather and depending on the weather
I'm not too like it a lot, like a bad attitude and a bottle of getting rude
I made my mark with the makers, hoping to find some new takers
And the girls who can make herself sweaty
Are you ready for Reggie?
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' using booze and bigger amounts, you'll see
Lick and jam, every ounce of bouncing me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
I'll drink till I think you're cute
To the point that you stink, can't spread the mood
And you can't beat, just rub cheek to cheek
Look, pop my bed for a week, and sneak a peek
Play high, just a long day, bring me money
Talkin' so much, which I was definitely timey
I'll just kick it and lick it and flip it and
Siggity and girl, don't call me
Come on, lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
Lick a jam, every ounce of bounce in me
I'm gon' be choosin' usein' blues in big amounts, you'll see
We'll see you next time.