This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs
of you and a fag poned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the
net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,
on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and
I'm a hero, in a flash I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through
my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught
the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's
all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling
your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave you flat on your
back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial phones, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs,
Sips, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers.
Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio.
I am your host, Sankt Dogg, right here, episode 73, December 7th, 2004, same place as usual,
same time as usual, Tuesday nights on RantRadio.com.
Now, for episode 73, we're getting into the holiday season, and we've got some projects
that we've been working on lately, and some things coming up, we're gonna be announcing
a few of them over the upcoming weeks, we've got a big Christmas gift coming up for those
listeners, a project that I think you'll be excited about, and my co-host today is actually
involved in another project that we will be announcing soon, that I'm also very excited
about, it is coming out better than I expected, and that co-host tonight is Black Ratchet.
Hello, hello.
Welcome to the show, my friend.
Thank you for having me.
And this is going to be a rant-filled show, what a great one for you to come in and start
on, this is just gonna be a rant-filled episode, only because the emails and the topics I came
up with are just kinda sore spots for me, so...
Well, anyone who's hanging around with me on the forum knows I rant and rave a lot.
Well, then you'll fit in just fine, but...
Yep, so it's a good episode.
Yeah, I'm gonna put up a disclaimer here at the beginning that I'm gonna still try to control
my language like I always do, however, I think you, you and I both know, and the listeners
surely know that I'm gonna fail miserably, so I predict total failure at that, but I'm
giving you a warning, there might be some language issues, but I'm gonna try to restrain
myself for our efforts.
And I would also like to apologize in advance for any type of potty mouth that I usually
say, because I'm from Boston, so we curse up here, no problem.
Ah, wicked good cursing.
Wicked piss-up.
Oh, what kind of...
Wait a minute, what the hell is that, like a Boston-Sean Connery mix there?
I have the worst impressions.
All right, well, anyway, let's jump into some housekeeping here.
My first topic slash rant of the day actually just happened moments ago when I was getting
ready to do the show, and as soon as I fired up ye olde speakerphone, I didn't get a dial
tone.
And for those of you who have been listening to the show lately, you know I finally switched
over to VoIP.
I switched over to Voice Pulse, but there will be no VoIP goodness today.
Had it good for two weeks.
We recorded the show over VoIP for a couple weeks, no problems, but for some reason today,
Voice Pulse isn't working.
Isn't that just wonderful?
This episode brought to you by Voice Pulse.
This, yeah, this, no, this episode...
Proud sponsor of BinRev Radio.
This episode brought to you by POTS.
Plain old telephone service, coming over copper, traditional, as decoder would always,
and decoder would rant and tell me, I told you so, copper, copper, copper, dependable,
copper.
Yeah, fine, whatever, decoder.
Well, just about the fact that I'm coming in over a cell phone.
Yeah, well, and you know what, but he's right.
He's right.
I'll give it to him this time.
They always work.
Yeah, unfortunately.
So I'm not real happy with Voice Pulse, so let's see what their excuse is and what that's
about.
I don't like the idea that I just signed up for a year with these people, and here I
am three weeks, four weeks into it, and it's not working.
That's not cool at all.
See, I was smart.
I didn't do that.
I opted to pay the ten extra dollars a month.
Yeah, see, I should have in retrospect now, but hey, what are you going to do?
All right, anyway, another piece of housekeeping to get out of the way up front, which we've
got a couple, a lot of, quite a few little things here.
Episode 72, last week's episode, had a couple glitches.
Had some skips and stutters there at the end of the show.
I did not know about it when I uploaded it, but frankly, as it turns out, there was nothing
I could do about it anyway.
The master copy was foobar.
It was completely unrecoverable.
There was nothing I could do about it.
It can't be fixed, so I have to apologize for that.
I actually really am disappointed because that's the first show that, frankly, had any
kind of real mistakes or anything in it that I couldn't fix.
You know, I've left off music here and there or something happened that I had to cut out,
but other than that, you know, for the most part, I've been able to fix everything, and
this one I can't.
So now there's a crappy-sounding episode floating around out there, and I'm, frankly,
a little bit ashamed of that.
I thought it was kind of cool.
You kind of had, like, a freestyle rap going on in there when I played it on my iPod.
Yeah, well, maybe I can tell them it was intentional, that it was my Max Headroom impression.
Yeah, indeed.
Yeah, I remember that one.
And here, and this brings us into rant number two of the evening.
The reason that this happened is just ridiculous to me.
Apparently, after looking into it after the fact, I kind of knew that I had a hard drive
failing anyway, but the hard drive that was failing was the third drive in this system.
It was a data drive.
That's it.
Just a drive.
It didn't have system files on it.
I didn't have it.
It wasn't my data.
It wasn't my swap drive.
It wasn't the system main drive.
Like I said, it was just a data drive.
It didn't have anything on it other than, like, backup files and some other MP3s or something
like that that I had on it.
It didn't even have any relevance to the system stability anyway.
But, apparently, Windows thinks that it is.
Windows, this piece of junk, apparently decided that because it couldn't communicate with this
third drive, which was irrelevant of what I was saving, like I said, it shouldn't have
had any reason to even look at that drive, decided to just make my system unstable, and
that's what caused those stutters.
I'm certain of it.
This episode also brought to you by Microsoft.
Yeah.
It's a good thing we're not on, like, a real radio station, because we wouldn't have any
sponsors.
They'd hate me as much as the listeners do.
That's the great thing about internet radio, man.
You can rant and rave and complain about anything.
You don't have to worry about ticking off sponsors, don't have to worry about ticking
off your user base, because, you know, they're from the internet.
They're used to complaining and whining.
Yeah, and I've said, you know, I've said that all along.
As the pin rev radio's rearship drops 50% because of me.
I know.
I've said for the years that I've been doing this that this is the last form of free speech
that we have left to communicate.
You know, it really is.
And, actually, I'm going to talk about later some information from my meeting this past
week, my 2600 meeting, that that may be in the process of being taken away from us as
well, but I'll get to that later.
But, yeah, back to Windows.
Apparently, a drive that has nothing to do with the system or the stability or the software
that's running or any of that stuff will cause Windows to become unstable.
Later on that night, luckily I was able to extract it and upload it so that the show went
out.
But, overnight, the system crashed.
Like, hardcore blue screen of death crashed.
I came in to look at the computer and it was blue screen of death.
It really was.
How can you tell it was a problem?
Well, yeah, it's kind of, you know, it had more functionality with the blue screen of death
on it.
Actually, no.
I had to reboot in safe mode and try to, I mean, I lost most of the data on the data
drive.
I mean, it wasn't too awful serious.
It was, you know, junk stuff.
But, I lost my backup, so I had to move them over to another backup drive now, which it's
just the hassle of it that's frustrating.
But, it just seems totally ridiculous that it drives.
I unhooked the drive in question after looking through the log files and seeing that it was
dead.
And, now the system runs perfectly fine again.
Well, in defense of Microsoft, there are certain things on the wonderful, you know, IDE spec
where if, you know, masters and slaves, if one of them gets screwed up, the other one
gets taken down with it.
And, if you come along the lines of one of your drives is working up, technically, while
that drive was important, the drive obviously on the other, unless it was on a completely
separate channel, if it was a slave, the master, I have seen it, and this has happened
on Linux, just the system going completely bonkers.
While on Linux, I don't think it's that much of a thing.
I mean, you can run with it fine.
With Windows, obviously, Windows is a lot more, you know, pendantic of what it wants
to pick and do and choose and not crash on.
I've seen problems where, like, you know, stability has absolutely slowed to a halt on
a Linux box.
Yeah, I actually, while you were talking, I just leaned over and looked in my box and
it is, in fact, on, it is one of two drives on that channel, so that could very well be
the case.
Yeah, it's an IDE thing, I believe.
Well, still, it sucks either way.
Yes, of course it does.
Anyway, so I threw another...
How to part with the love, how to part with love, the last data.
Yeah, you know, I dug on it, and it's like, it's one of those situations where it's almost
dying, and so many people have been through this, it's like, you know what, it's kind
of there, the system can see it a little bit, but when you try to drag and read and write
from it, you get error messages, because it can't.
It can see the file allocation table and know where the file should be, but they can't actually
allocate the files in question, and it's frustrating because you're trying to back the stuff up at
the last minute, but frankly, it's too late, and you know, then everybody wants to try
the stick-it-in-the-freezer trick, or try to blow the canned air into it, and try the...
No, it's too late.
It's gone.
Don't, Deb, don't knock the freezer trick.
I've been able to pull some miracles off of that.
All right, no, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't buy this for a second.
I'm buying...
I don't...
You're telling me, as a matter of fact, that you have done this, and it has absolutely
worked for you.
It hasn't worked 100%, but it's worked.
See, then it could have been.
You know what happened, the drive was completely messed up, I did my usual, like, you know,
wave a dead chicken on it, and, like, you know, sacrifice certain things to certain gods,
and we'll just leave it at that, and it didn't work, and I, you know, I thought it was stupid,
I put it in the freezer, I've tried it numerous times before, and it did not work, but that
time it did.
I got...
I...
It was a...
She had, like, four gigs of data on it, and I was able to salvage most of her data files,
and I think it was, like, two gigs worth of data off of it.
All right, well, I've tried it several times, and it's never worked for me.
I am going to try it again, and it's not going to work again, but I'm going to try it,
since you seem to think that it worked for you.
I say it's coincidence.
No, I'm not saying it always works.
I'm saying it worked for me once.
I just say that's part of the repertoire.
I think it was coincidence, myself.
Quite possibly.
But still, it's cool, because, like, you know, if it ever works, you'd make you look
like a self-miracle worker.
Well, I guess, but...
Don't...
Well, let's see.
I'll inform our listeners of what happens on this saga of recovering Stank's data,
all my mystery science theater movies.
I can replace them.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, that just hurt me.
Yeah, and I can re-download them, but you know what?
You know, there was probably 50 or more, and they're all 600 or 700 megs, and it's just
a hassle.
So, and I have them all on DVD.
Most of them on DVD anyway.
Some of them aren't available on DVD yet, but anyway, that's neither here nor there.
Let's move back on to some housekeeping here.
Next up on the items list is to announce, and this is actually a very cool thing.
We'll go from sad news to happy news.
Nick84, amazing how much this guy, this young man does so much for us and for the show and
for DDP, I mean, and everybody.
He has put up our podcast, which some listeners had requested in the past.
We now have a podcast.
Yeah, we have now, for the iPoders out there, for the iPod users, I'm not one of you, but
I'll, I do think it's a cool thing.
So, we do have a podcast up now.
It's at binrev.com slash radio slash podcast.
That's so easy to remember.
So, you can go check that out, and if you're into that sort of thing.
And I guess I need to start looking into ways to get this out to some of the podcast directories
and stuff like that, I guess, is that the next step?
So, if anybody, anybody knows.
I mean, it's unnecessary.
It's just basically, like, sort of advertising.
Yeah.
So, if anybody wants to put it out there somewhere for me, that would help.
I'll figure some of them out myself, I guess.
But, that's good news.
Also, more DDP news here.
We've got, well, we've got both DJ Mosk and Sub-Zero from Geek Love Radio.
These guys are blowing up big time.
They're hitting the big time, heading to the screensavers on Tech TV to take Geek Love Radio
to the masses on Valentine's Day 2005, February 14, 2005, Geek Love Radio on Tech TV's, the screensavers.
So, that's been cool.
So, the question begs to be asked.
And that is?
When's BinRev Radio showing up?
Yeah.
Well, without coming out and straight out accusing anybody of anything, we've been there in content.
I'll leave it at that.
We may not be there, and our main name may not be there, but some of our content ends up there,
but we won't, you know, whatever.
So, represent, DJ Mosk, Sub-Zero, congratulations.
That's very cool, and we'll try to remind the listeners when it gets closer.
That's still a couple months away.
Try to remind the listeners when that gets closer.
And I'm going to have to, I guess I can't come out and say this, but I'm going to say it anyway.
I'm going to have to watch this on an AVI or something, a rip, because I don't get Tech TV.
I don't get the screensavers.
So, I'm going to have to watch this some other way.
I'll go watch it at a friend's house.
Yeah, that's what I'll do.
I will mail you a VHS.
Are we allowed to do that, too?
Is that not illegal now?
Yeah, I don't know what they've banned and what they haven't banned.
But anyway, I'll get it.
That's actually, honestly, that's a very good question.
I do not know.
I don't know either.
We wouldn't want to condone anything illegal, but I'm going to watch this show one way or the other.
And we're going to go into some other borderline topics here in a few minutes anyway, so forget about it.
And one other quick little bit of housekeeping before we go to the email is I finally, I don't know if anybody else out there has already gotten this, and I was just at the bottom of the list.
But finally, Hotmail finally upgraded my storage space to 250 megs.
They said they were going to do this a long, a long time ago, back when Gmail was first going out to beta tests and announced that gigabyte of storage.
Yahoo went up to 100, like, immediately.
They didn't waste any time giving you more space.
And Hotmail announced that they were going to go to 250, but they never did until I got it, I think, sometime this past week.
But I don't really use that account much anymore anyway.
I send stuff from it only because, like, I usually have a browser window open, and it's quick for me to go there and attach a file and send it.
But I don't really communicate with it much, and I don't check it very much.
So if you're emailing me to Hotmail account, I'm not always going to get back to you as quickly as I would like.
So if you ever want to contact me, send everything to the stankdog.com address, stankdog to stankdog.com, as far as personal email, stuff like that.
Now, anything about the show, you still need to send that to radio at binref.com.
And, kids, I would just like to point out that if you run your own mail server, you can be like me and have 20 gigs of storage space on your mail.
And that's exactly why I'm using the stankdog.com account, no limits.
Although I did put a little bit of a limit on there just because I'm forgetful and I want to make myself clean it up once in a while.
One of my friends constantly goes over his limit, drives me up a wall.
Yeah.
He wonders why the server starts bouncing his mail.
Oh, because you have a 500 meg inbox.
Exactly.
Oh, and I kept...
I kept that attachment size, too, because, well, people try things with me for some reason.
Anyway.
No.
Yeah, I don't know.
All right, so let's go into the email, but let's give...
Let's start with our email theme song before we do.
Our first email today comes from Stack Smasher.
That's a cool name, too.
I like that.
Hold on.
I'm going to do that with the sound of...
Hold on.
I'm going to sound all dramatic, like a comic book.
Ready?
Our first email comes from Stack Smasher.
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
That was pretty cool.
He's going to record that.
He should use that as his startup sound now in Windows or whatever.
Hopefully he doesn't.
That sound effect is provided by Black Ratchet Industry.
What do you think?
Copyrights and trademark by DDP.
Yeah.
Creative Copyright.
Creative Commons or whatever it's called.
Yeah.
They have that audio license now.
We're going to talk about that on an upcoming show, too.
Anyway, Stack Smasher, dun, dun, dun, dun, says...
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
Have you given any thought to what you would require as far as, well, what if you were given your own show on Sirius?
Just a thought.
Are you ready for this?
Actually, I have thought about this.
I have even gone so far as to contact people at both XM Radio and Sirius Radio, contacting them as far as they're publicly publicized.
Is that a redundancy?
They're publicized email addresses.
They're publicized ways of getting in touch with them.
I've tried to contact them about adding the show to their respective talk channels for each particular provider, but I just get the impression they're total black holes.
I never get a reply.
I don't get a bounce message.
Since they are publicly accessible, they're posted on the website.
I imagine they probably get a bunch of junk mail, spam, or just, I don't know, for lack of a better word, fans or people with a bunch of questions.
So they probably don't even check those.
People asking for shows.
Yeah, exactly.
Or they just, and that's the other thing, maybe they just don't.
Present company excluded of that.
Yeah, what I was going to say, that may exactly be true, because the other reason is maybe they just don't care.
They're like, yeah, you suck, thanks, bye-bye.
So that may very well be it also.
So the only way I know other than, you know, the only other way to get into these things is the friends and family network.
You know, if somebody's got a hookup, somebody's got somebody on the inside, help a brother out.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, Stank, or you can just sleep your way to the top.
Yeah, you know, I would frankly sleep my way to the bottom or to the side or to, I'm easy, you know.
It doesn't even have to be anything in it for me.
But yeah, sure, I'll do that too, whatever.
I'm suddenly picturing you in a miniskirt and makeup, and it's not a pixie-bitch skirt.
Oh, you just, now, now, you really just pissed off the listeners.
Now, now you're going to pay for that one.
They're not, oh man, they're all vomiting.
Complaints to blackratchet at blackratchet.org.
They're all vomiting right now.
Yeah, I mean, it's cool that, you know, Sirius Radio is bringing Howard Stern on board and all that kind of stuff,
and Mr. Controversial Radio and hate the FCC and blah, blah, blah, which I agree with him.
I like Sirius Radio.
I do think it's the wave of the future, yada, yada.
And they've got a lot of balls to put Howard Stern on there and to take these chances,
and some of the other radio hosts that have been controversial and got kicked off and fined by the FCC.
But they've got a little bit of balls, but they don't have big enough balls to put on a hacking show.
I still don't think they have big enough balls.
You need balls the size of church bells to put me on any kind of wide-range, wide-encompassing show.
And I don't think the world, I don't think the United States, I don't think even on the satellite radio,
I don't even think they're ready for a hacking show.
I think they're all still afraid of hacking and hackers and what the perception is.
I don't think they have the balls to do it.
Well, I'm not too sure about that.
I'm not too sure about them putting it on, but if anyone listens to Off the Hook,
I believe it was two weeks ago, three weeks ago, that they allowed WBAI in New York,
the people who put on Off the Hook, and a manual company too,
because there was a blackout or a fire or something, that caused WBAI to go off the air.
And what they did is they provided their studios to them to put on all their shows.
And if they can put on what a lot of WBAI puts on, they have pretty good balls.
They put on the WBAI show lineup on what?
They allowed WBAI to use their studios to put on stuff on their own transmitter.
Yes, it's not a big enough thing as putting it on a satellite,
but I think it's at least a step in the right direction.
Right.
And without, let's see, I've got to be careful not to step on toes here,
but Off the Hook, well, you know what?
Screw it.
I'm just going to come out and say it.
Off the Hook's not a hacking show anymore.
Okay?
Off the Hook's a political show.
I mean, with a little bit of technology and hacking content occasionally.
So it's not really, yeah.
So it's not really the same to me.
That's only my opinion.
I can only speak for myself.
The views expressed by Stank Dog are his and his alone
and do not necessarily reflect those of Rant Radio, Black Ratchet, or anyone else in the DDP.
Well, technically it does reflect Black Ratchet, but we won't come out.
Oh, okay.
Okay, there we go.
I look at Off the Hook as a technology politics show.
I mean, 2,600, yeah, I mean, the entire thing has really started to change into a political movement.
But as, like, Emanuel said, we turned into a political, I wouldn't say political movement,
a political type attempt to be a player.
And Emanuel said it best was, we became a political player when political players started messing with technology.
And he has a point to it, I think.
Yeah, and I...
He has a point to it, I think.
But, like, you know, when they start doing on, like, you know, lots of stuff, you know, all about politics and, you know,
basically this whole wonderful thing of, oh, look at that, Emanuel got arrested at the RNC convention.
Yes, you know, okay, fine, you want to have stuff about that, but that's not what I'm tuning in for.
Right.
I mean, I do like a lot of their stuff on political stuff, and when it relates to technology.
But the whole, like, you know, ooh, I got arrested, I got arrested, I just look at it as, okay, yeah, and?
Right.
Shouts to Emanuel, I like him, I like the show, I always listen to it, I'm going to, you know,
it's downloaded every Wednesday night, popped onto my iPod and listened to it Thursday morning.
Sure, and I don't, and the same thing, I really, I just, I write for, you know, I write for 2600, I'm cool with it.
I went to the Fifth Hope, and you've heard us talk about the political undertones of that thing, you know?
It's just, it's just what they are.
I'm not saying right or wrong, good or bad, it's just what they are.
Just like as much as Zachary Blackstone doesn't like me saying it, Blacklisted 411 Magazine is just not the official hacker's magazine.
As much as he wants to say it, he can write that in his magazines, and I'm sorry, I like the guy.
He's been really helpful to me in some things, giving me some really good advice.
So, I like that magazine, I write for them too, I'm cool with it, I'm just saying, let's call it what it is.
It's a magazine that has some technical content, but it's more about electronics, some conspiracy theory stuff.
This last issue had a lot more hacking content than usual, and that's great, I hope they keep doing that, but I'm just calling it what it is.
So, I'm not putting them down, I'm not disrespecting either one of them, but 2600 is heavy on the politics, that's just a fact, you know?
I subscribe to them both.
Yeah, absolutely, I subscribe to them, I still support them, I write for them, I don't know what else I could possibly do more to support them.
So, yeah, it's not meant as a disrespect, just as a description, a definition, and I think we're beating a dead horse.
I think people know, I think a lot of people know that, they know how things are.
I mean, I look at it as, I don't like, I mean, I don't think they're both perfect, but as I subscribe to them, because at least they're doing it.
I feel that more people should be doing it, I should be more independent designs out there, but, um, theme designs, whatever.
But, like, I'm glad that they're doing it.
Right, and you know what, and that's why I support them.
Indeed.
Exactly.
All right, so let's, um, anyway, go on, well, so the, so the...
Well, hold on, let me just state for the record that if, you know, if XM or Sirius does put Bin Rave Radio on there, they will have at least one subscriber because of it.
Yeah, well, two.
Yeah, I'll do it.
I hope that you would.
Yeah, I...
I hope you, I hope you get it for free.
Well, you would think so, right?
I, I bet you Howard doesn't have to pay to listen to Sirius Radio.
I mean, come on now.
Um, yeah, I, but I still, I, I honestly do think that I'm, I'm too, it's not so much controversial, I think it's fear.
That's the only other thing I can describe it, and no, no one's turned me down and said, we're not putting on Kazak.
No, they just don't answer me at all because, frankly, who am I?
I'm a gnat.
They don't know, you know.
I don't think there's any way I could ever convince them again unless somebody has some favors, can pull some strings.
That's the only way, I think, to get into it, so.
Or you put on a miniskirt and wear some makeup.
Oh, yeah, it worked for Timon.
Or wait a minute, was it Pumbaa?
Oh, whatever.
That joke was probably lost on everyone anyway.
I think I might have got it, but I'm not going to admit to it.
That's a great movie.
Anyway, our next, uh, next email is from Pinion Blue.
And this is a follow-up of a question I asked last week.
I bought a new Nintendo DS.
So, Pinion Blue says, the Nintendo DS, as you know, has built-in Wi-Fi.
However, it emits its own Wi-Fi field instead of working with the Wi-Fi in the area.
Theoretically, if you had more than one DS in the area, each would emit its own field until it finds another DS to communicate with.
Now, when a DS finds more DSs to communicate with, the field destabilizes in order to strengthen the connection between the available DSs in the area.
The conspiracy theories that have been out about released web pictures involving marionettes and such.
And this is the part where I'm still confused.
Um, he says, apparently the Warp Pipe team, an independent group of people that use the GameCube to tunnel system-link games like Mario Kart over the internet,
is working on a new subsidiary company called D-Mast.
D-Mast, which is rumored at current writing, he says, will use the DS Wi-Fi capability to create a wireless peer-to-peer network to play games multiplayer, trade files, etc., etc.
So, there is your conspiracy.
The full details won't be released until 05, but here is the site, which has an RSS feed and a newsletter sign-up, which I knew about the site.
It's D-Mast.com, D-E-M-A-S-K-E-D, in case I don't enunciate, D-Mast.com.
So, um, a wireless peer-to-peer network using built-in Wi-Fi to form this kind of grid or canopy, which a lot of people have dreamed about doing with Wi-Fi anyway.
Yeah, kind of a mesh canopy.
My network teacher would be proud.
I don't know why, why wouldn't they connect to the internet, first of all?
This seems strange.
I mean, if it's got, it supports 802.11, if I understand correctly, 802.11 BNG.
So, if it's got support for true 802.11, you'd think if they were only going to do a mesh networking system, they would use some proprietary thing.
But it's actual 802.11 BNG, so I suspect that the internet would be involved.
There would probably be a reason they're doing that.
Why only...
Because they can charge you extra for it.
Well, yeah, and that's, boy, that's coming up.
Funny you mention that.
That's coming up in a rant soon, too.
So, but see, one of the pictures, here's the thing that really confused me.
One of the pictures from this campaign or conspiracy thing that he's talking about, it shows a picture of this kid,
and he's standing out like in backwoods Arkansas or Kentucky or something, and he's playing his Nintendo DS.
But he's playing it online.
Well, I mean, I guess it's insinuating that he's playing it with other people.
Yet, here he is out in the boondocks, out in BFE, and yeah, I've lived there.
He's playing with other people.
Now, if it's not through his own 802.11 Wi-Fi connection to the internet,
and unless there's some wild, feral child raised by wolves out there who actually has a Nintendo DS also,
who is he playing with?
I don't quite see.
What am I missing here?
That's the one that really...
Well, they're standing behind the camera.
Oh, well, there.
It makes perfect sense.
That was a set-up picture.
And that's what I'm worried about.
I think this whole thing...
I want some technical information.
I want some verification, and they're obviously not releasing it yet.
They've got this ad campaign, this whole teaser thing going on,
where they're not going to give us any real information.
They've got these campaigns where some guy sneaking around and hiding from the camera.
I don't know what the significance of that is.
You've got a picture of this kid out in the woods playing his game with other people,
and there was even something that they might have VoIP support in it that you can make phone...
I don't see.
It's all going to end up being this huge letdown.
They're going to give you the nice hand stroke.
They're going to get you all ready to go,
and it's going to be a big cock tease.
There's going to be nothing left.
Huge letdown.
There's no delivery on it.
It's going to end up being something like we already know.
You can play up to six...
They'll announce that you can play up to six players with one cartridge on the game.
Big deal.
I'm wondering if there's...
Interesting that you said that.
Uh-huh.
According to FlashDop this morning,
apparently there is a Nintendo title called Mr. Driller.
I've never heard of it.
I don't have a DS, don't have an advanced.
I haven't played Nintendo since the 8-bit.
I'm now a PlayStation.
But anyway...
It's a mystery...
According to Wide Refresh reports,
there are...
Apparently you can...
In Japan, you can play this game with up to four people,
but only one of them needs to cartridge.
However, in the U.S.,
you need everyone...
Every person playing needs to cartridge the game.
Wow.
Japan always gets the brakes.
Well, probably because they know that people in the U.S. will buy it.
Yeah, exactly.
And they know they can rape us.
Anyway.
And again, this is...
Boy, the Copic coming up is going to cover all that and more.
Yeah, I thought with Mario 64,
which is the only game I have
and probably will buy for it, frankly,
I thought you could play with at least one other person with that cartridge,
but I haven't tried it because I don't have any friends.
Oh, God, I need some quiet time.
But I don't see why that's such a big deal
to make this big campaign out of, though.
Well, see, I think they're going to come up with it.
That's what I...
I guess I'm a consumer.
I sort of bought a hood line.
I'm a thinker.
I think that they're going to come up with it.
I think you're going to pay through the nose
for all these stupid features.
And, you know, you'll have one cartridge,
which is a web browser,
and the other cartridge,
which may be a voiceover IP phone
and another cartridge which, you know,
sell your porn or something.
I don't know.
Well, Mr. Driller sounds like the name of a porn movie,
if you ask me.
That's the first thing that I thought, too,
so I'm glad I'm not the only one.
And especially with the fact that it came out from Japan,
I was just like, ooh, don't want to know.
Yeah.
All right, let's move through some email here.
We're kind of pushing our time here.
Let's move on to DarkLogic.
DarkLogic sent us an email.
It says,
Hi, Stank.
I'll keep it short,
but I just wanted to comment on your rant
about anonymous proxy service
in what I believe was episode 72.
That is correct.
At the end of the day,
your message seemed to be
that the only way to truly hide online
is war driving plus Mac spoofing,
and that proxy service can't be trusted
not to be logging your information
and cooperating with your government.
This is true if you're using just one server,
but if you connect to a site
through several proxies
run by several different,
well, I'm sorry,
by different administrators
located in different jurisdictions,
it becomes nearly impossible task
for any administrator
to trace it all the way
from the end site
back to you or vice versa.
It is very common for people
to use a chain of several rooted boxes
to conceal their identities online.
Another method I've seen
is proxy software,
which runs as both the server
and the client,
so you are connecting out
as someone else
and they are connecting out as you.
With a proper implementation,
encryption,
and a large enough pool of users,
it becomes impossible
to determine who is who is who.
So let me take this one quickly
just because I do want to clarify.
I did not mean,
I didn't want it to come across
like I was saying
that the only way to have true anonymity
is by war driving,
spoofing your Mac address
on your wireless card
and jumping on people's network.
I did not mean
for it to come across.
So if it did,
I apologize.
I did not want it to come across.
My point
in that segment
was only to say
that you have to think
about your anonymity
very carefully
when using proxy servers.
Amen.
That was really the message.
You have to know
those servers intimately
and I think people
that download software packages
like the one I described,
Steganos,
or any of the other ones,
by default,
they're not always using
anonymous proxies.
They're just using
general proxies
and most people
probably don't realize that.
I wanted to bring that
to their attention
to make sure people
actually understand that
and I just want to be clear
that that was the message
I was sending across.
Now,
I did have something else to say
but go ahead.
I want to...
I just said amen.
I didn't know.
Oh, okay, yeah.
I believe in that
and I'm also going to...
Your next rant
according to the show notes.
I'll come in after that
because I don't have to talk about that.
Okay, good.
This is not so much a rant.
Just, again,
what you said is true
in an ideal world.
You know,
server hopping
is what I call it.
I don't know if there's
an actual term
but server hopping.
From one server
to one owned box
to another owned box
if you rooted box
as your terms
or from one proxy
to another proxy
and hop.
We used to call it
telnet hopping
back in the day
before the global interweb
came around
but box hopping,
server hopping
from place to place
hoping to conceal
your tracks.
Well, you know what?
If you think that
you're completely untraceable
because you hop
across a few servers,
I got two words for you.
Kevin Mitnick.
Okay?
Kevin thought the same thing
and I think we all know
how that came out.
You still don't know
even if you use,
first of all,
it's not an easy task.
You've got to pay attention
to all the hops
you've got along the way too.
But unless you know
every single box
that you're using
for 100% certainty
that they're not
logging something
or that the logs
are being deleted
or that it's somehow
otherwise safe,
one weak link
in that chain
of proxy servers
can have more effect
than you might realize.
All they need
is one connection
somehow
to either the remote box
or to your box
and they can start
filling in blanks
from any one of them.
They have time stamps.
All this stuff
goes through the phone company
and just from simple time stamps,
it may be circumstantial evidence
at that point in time,
but if they can use
a lot of the logs
from the phone companies
or from the ISPs
and from any of the boxes
that were watching you
that weren't safe,
they can start to put together
a good enough path
that may be circumstantial
in the short term
can actually make
the connections
they need to stick.
So, yes, they're good.
The more hops you put in there,
yes, the safer you are,
but that is also not
100% certainty.
That is not
the complete way
to be anonymous.
It's almost,
it's pretty certain
if you do it right
and you're very careful,
sure, but you don't know
if any one of those boxes
is a honeypot,
first of all.
You think it's a server
that you've rooted.
You think it's a box
that you own.
You think it's a proxy server.
It could be a honeypot
and that's something
we mentioned on the other show.
It could be a government-run box.
And not only that,
just because you see
a box open
or you think you've rooted a box,
there could be
a hardware-based packet sniffer
on there
that's logging everything separately
that you don't even see
that it exists.
It's just a little
passive device in there
that you're not even aware of.
So you may still think
that you're 100% covered
because you know
all the boxes along the way
and you can still get bitten.
So be very careful.
The box that you root also,
and again,
I don't want to come out
and condone, you know,
certain activities,
but rooting a box,
that may get you
in more trouble
than whatever anonymity
you're seeking anyway.
So I'm not condoning
or telling...
I can almost guarantee
that probably.
I'm not going to come out
and condone
that you should go
owning boxes
so that you can get anonymity.
I'm not going to come out
and say that at all.
If you've got that mindset...
The box isn't bad, okay?
Yeah, okay.
So that's all I have
to say about that.
I'm going to take a drink
of iced tea
so you can go ahead.
Well, you brought up
Kevin Mitnick,
and while, yes,
Kevin Mitnick did use that bat,
it really wasn't the way
he got caught.
A very good book
for anyone
that might be interested
in Kevin.
It's a very third person,
and I feel
it's a very neutral view
of him.
It's called
The Fugitive Game
by Jonathan Littman,
L-I-T-T-M-A-N,
and I'm just a really big fan
of this book.
The way, really,
Kevin Mitnick caught
is that they tracked down
his cell phone use,
and while, yes,
they sort of traced
certain things back to him,
which, personally,
I don't think he did.
I just think he was
the fall guy,
that's how they sort
of tracked him down.
They just sort of put...
That was the...
I guess you could call it
the catalyst.
But the other thing
that I want to point out
is that,
speaking of hopping
from server to server
to server,
there's a small file
out there.
It's part of
Practical Unix...
Now, wait a minute.
I don't know.
It's part of a book.
I think it's
Practical Firewalls
and something or other.
It's by Bill Cheswick,
and it's called
An Evening with Erford,
B-E-R-F-E-R-D,
and it's back in 1995
before this big
interweb thing
got caught off.
And Bill Cheswick
is an admin
for, back then,
AT&T Security.
And AT&T Security Research
or something,
I don't know.
And he would run
a gateway box
to this wonderful
new thing called
the Internet
that they had.
And he was tempted
to attack,
and they basically
show from
the first attack
till when they
narrowed it down,
and they basically
played with this
cracker for,
I think,
approximately
two or three weeks.
And it's, you know,
I love it.
I think it's a very
interesting way
before all this
honeypot nonsense
came out
that they set up
this jail
for this user,
well, not a user,
but an attacker,
and they basically
toyed with him
and tracked
his connection.
And he went through
at least two or three
hops,
and they traced him
all the way back
to Norway.
And, I mean,
you're talking about,
you know,
different jurisdictions
and different people,
and I believe
one of the hops
was through
a foreign country,
and they tracked
him down,
and the next stop
beyond that
was another foreign
country,
and they tracked
him down to there.
The problem was
that they couldn't
actually convict him
because at that time
Norway did not have
a computer crime law.
But it's very cool.
It's a short story.
It's a couple of pages,
and it was basically
submitted to a white
paper to use it.
My personal opinion
of this whole thing
is that always assume
you're going to get
caught.
That is my philosophy.
Don't do anything
illegal because you
know the moment
that you try,
someone will catch you.
It doesn't matter
how much stuff you do,
everything will just
fall into place
for the opposing team,
and you will just
get busted right
the next door.
Absolutely.
And you know what?
The bottom line is
you do have a right
to privacy and anonymity,
and for that purpose,
for the purpose of
protecting your privacy
and anonymity,
all the techniques
that we've talked about
are for the most part
going to work for you,
except, like I said
in the point of that
previous episode,
was for standard
privacy and anonymity,
do not count on
a proxy server like that.
I was not really
going that analytical
into looking at
hopping from boxes
and trying to cover
your tracks per se.
I was really looking
at it truly from
an anonymity and
privacy standpoint.
Oh yeah,
I know that,
but I'm just sort of
pointing these
as a couple examples
of what,
excuse me,
who was this,
sort of dark logic
that, you know,
he says all this
wonderful stuff,
and even he talks
about war driving
and max spoofing,
you can track people
down from that.
It's called
Radio Direction Finding.
I've done it.
I have my bright
and shiny ham radio badge,
so I know all about
that kind of stuff.
You can do it.
Yeah, and well,
yeah.
Well, I mean,
even to a point,
but you can get
a general idea
if they're coming
from this thing.
Well, that's if you
catch them in the act.
One street,
another thing,
and another street
two blocks away
the other night.
Right, well,
that's if you catch
them in the act
or multiple times.
But the bottom line
is, and yeah,
I was just clarifying
for the audience
that we, you know.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, because I started
talking about
very gray things, so.
Yeah, exactly.
No, no, that's fine.
That's what we do
talk about on the show
so that we do
educate people
and make them
understand, you know,
some of the risks
and some of the things
that are inherent
into hacking.
You know,
no matter where you
stand on the,
or what color hat
you wear,
or whatever they,
however you want
to word it,
these are all things
that we should all
be aware of regardless.
But, I still, you know,
that's why the motto
of every hacker
everywhere should be
don't hack from home.
If that's what you're
hacking is into,
especially if you're
worried about something
like that to that level,
never hack from home.
The only way that you
can't be traced,
and that's not that you
can't be,
you want to make it
really difficult,
don't hack from home.
You go someplace
where it's not
associated with you,
and the worst
they can ever do
is track it down
to said place.
Once that happens,
then it becomes
a matter of physically
pinning you down.
So,
if you're going
to do something,
think it out beforehand.
But, of course,
we're not telling you
to do anything,
and we're not condoning
you doing anything.
So,
don't do it,
it's bad.
Exactly.
People have been
there before,
it's sort of like
having your house
robbed.
Yeah.
Alright, so let's
move on to another
email, and this is
a pretty long one too.
This is an email
packed show again
this week.
We get so much
good email,
but you know what,
it's good stuff
to talk about,
good content.
This email is from
a long time listener
of especially
default radio,
I know,
and this is from
Havoc,
Havoc the Freak.
He says,
Hi, as you know
I'm from Poland,
but for your
extravaganza,
last week I had
the international
extravaganza,
I sent this email
from my Japanese
email account.
Well, that's pretty cool.
I'm emailing you
mainly because I
disagree of what
you said about
Sony.
I don't defend
this company.
I'm not talking
that they're superior.
I just want to say
I like this manufacturer,
own their stuff,
and will buy in the
future.
I don't know if you
know how Japanese
markets work.
As far as I know,
there's almost
closed market,
which means not
always it is
necessary to sell
stuff outside of
the country.
I'm having trouble
reading here.
There might be some
sort of own
products only policy,
but it's not such
a big disadvantage.
You said about
memory sticks,
so I'd like to
raise your attention
on camcorders.
Sony Company makes
and sells their own
camcorders with DVD
format recording.
Well, in my humble
opinion, DVD is the
standard, and DVD
discs are much more
popular and cheaper
than Digital 8 or
Mini DV.
Do you have to use
only DVD-R, DVD-RW
manufactured by Sony?
No.
So please thank
Be More Objective.
I've owned their
equipment, and I can
say it is very
durable stuff.
Certainly not
everything made by
Sony is great, but
overall it's very
good equipment.
What is more, their
components are used
by many other
vendors, mainly
because of high
quality.
If you don't know,
then I'd like to
inform you that it
was Sony who invented
the Walkman, a piece
of great piece of
so great stuff.
In 1979, an empire
in personal portable
entertainment was
created with the
ingenious foresight of
Sony founder and
chief advisor, the
late Masaru Ubuka, and
Sony founder and
honorary chairman,
Akio Morita.
Did I just read
Japanese names in a
Spanish accent?
I think I did.
Yes, senor.
Anyway, it began
with the invention of
the first cassette
Walkman, TPS-L2, that
forever changed the
way consumers listen to
music.
In my humble
opinion, it is
Panasonic Corporation
who does low-quality,
insecure products, but
there are also some
exclusions like their
awesome notebooks.
I wonder how many
TPS reports they have
to do for that TPS-L2.
Yeah, probably quite a
few.
All right, now, I've
got a lot to say about
this, so I'm going to
start and kind of jump
in between here if you
want to add or disagree
or whatever, but there's
a lot of points that he
made that I'm going to
just quite frankly say
I still disagree with
it.
One that I do agree
with, I'll give you
this.
First of all, you
mentioned that they
make a camcorder that
can record to DVD.
First of all, they
make, yes, that is
true, and I will give
them credit that that
is a standard that
they're using that
standard.
That's one.
That's one piece of
equipment that they
appear by some sort of
standard.
Good for them.
Yes, I'll give you a
pat on the back for
that one, but that's
one product out of
many.
Go to the Sony
website and look at
their camcorders.
That's the only one
like that, and I have
to point out that that
is the most expensive
one they offer.
You know why?
Because they're not
going to get their
money back by selling
you all their
proprietary media, so
they're going to hit
you up front with a
higher price.
Okay?
The first generation
DVD players that they
had wouldn't play
CD-Rs and RWs.
Only commercial DVDs,
that's it.
They couldn't make
their money off the
media, they're going
to raise the price of
the item up front.
How does that help me
as a consumer?
How is that good?
Well, everyone's
first generation DVD
player really didn't
play CD-Rs.
No, that's not...
I'm not going to say
everyone, I'm going to
say most of them.
Well, I don't know if
I'd go so far as to
say most.
My first generation
JBC played them.
My Apex 600 played
them, and that was
very early.
Um, so the two that
I have dealt with
played them, but
that's...
Maybe I got the two
that did, I don't
know.
Um, and I had a
Samsung that played
them, but I had to
return that because it
just overheated or
something and had to
be sent back, and
Samsung sucks.
So I can safely say
that.
This show brought to
you by Samsung.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, and so
the bottom line there
is they're going to
screw you up front
with that price, or
they're going to
screw you a bunch of
little times over a
course of several
years, so take it
however you want it,
I just don't want to
get screwed at all.
Uh, I looked, on
their site, the only
camcorder that they
have that's higher
priced is this
multi-thousand dollar
professional ones.
Um, and there's one
other one on that
site that costs more
than that, and you
know what that is?
Because it's
another camcorder
using another new
Sony proprietary tape
called Micro MV.
Another new standard
that Sony's making
that only Sony makes
because they want to
lock you into buying
these products and
never let you go.
It's like being in
the mafia.
Once you're a part of
the Sony family, you're
down for life.
You can't get away.
You try to get away
and they keep pulling
you back in.
That's the way they
work, and that's what
I don't like about
them.
So, okay, they made a
DVD, or they made a
camcorder that burns
to DVDs, standard
DVDs that you can buy
anywhere.
There's one out of, I
don't know, 20 camcorders
that they have available
from Sony.
One of them.
Well, is it mini DVD
a standard?
It is, it is now, and
that's what, that's
exactly what I said
last week.
They finally started
doing stuff, some of
these things, because
they knew that they
were getting beaten.
They had to, but
they're, obviously, like
I said, now they're
trying to drive people
to this Micro MV.
They'll make a couple
to survive, but then
they're trying to
develop their own, and
again, the biggest
example I made was
that memory stick, and
they're still using that
to this day.
These camcorders, they'll
take still pictures, but
only if you have the
memory stick.
No SD, no compact
flash, no MMC, memory
stick, available at
Sony.
I just don't like it.
I think it's
ridiculous.
Now, as far as
quality, I didn't say
anything about the
quality of the
products.
Well, frankly, I can't
really say a whole lot.
I've heard bad things
about it.
Lucky's the one that
said that he had bad
luck with his products.
He's the one that
talked about quality.
Me, I just say I don't
like the company.
I don't like them out
of principle.
I have not, I don't
own Sony, of any
Sony products, so I
can't tell you the
quality, and I
wouldn't try to make
it up just to sound,
you know, just because
I hate Sony.
That's not what it's
about.
It's not that I'm
closed-minded, or
what do you, how do
you say, I need to be
open-minded, or
something like that.
It's not that at all.
It's just that I don't
want to support a
company that makes, that
uses that kind of
stuff.
If there's
alternatives out
there, I mean,
there's a lot of
companies that make
electronics.
Sony, I mean,
that's one of the
most crowded markets
in existence.
Consumer electronics,
there are tons of
players in that
game, tons of
them.
You can go to any
other manufacturer
out there.
I've had good luck
with JVC.
I have a lot of
JVC products, and I'm
very happy with
them, so Sony's not
the only company out
there.
So when you have to
weigh two competitors,
I can get JVC, which
adheres to standards, or
I can buy the Sony,
which does not, I'm
going to choose the
JVC.
or whatever, insert
whatever company you
like here, you
know, do you
understand what I'm
saying with that?
Quality is not,
there's a lot of
other high quality
ones out there, and
I think he admitted
that in his email as
well.
Well, to be
completely honest, I
feel that Sony has a
bit of an edge of
quality-wise.
I mean, as compared
to what they were
ten years ago or so,
they have gone
downhill, and they
have done some very
interesting things.
And if you look at
their quarterly
reports, you'll see
that they're actually
interested.
They were, back in
2000, they basically
decided, let's go try
to dominate the
living room.
And, you know, they
came out with a lot
of stuff, like, you
know, TVs that could
accept their little
memory sticks and
stuff that could
record the memory
sticks.
And you said last
week that they were
a lot like Microsoft,
and Microsoft really
did revolutionize the
PC industry because
everything worked
with each other
because they were
all running the
same thing, much
like, you know, the
telephone network
back in the 1960s,
they all worked
together because they
were all using the
same thing.
Right.
So when Sony was
coming out, it was
when they were
shooting for the
living room, they
were all going for
the same standards.
Yeah, and that's a
good segue into the
next thing I want to
talk about, too, and
that is, you made
the comment that Sony
invented the Walkman.
Well, that's great,
you know, and you just
said a moment ago,
like back in 1960.
Well, it's not 1960
anymore.
I was just using that
as an example.
I kind of knew that
you were leading me
into that, so I'm
going to take it.
You know, IBM invented
the PC as we know it
today anyway, and we're
not going to get into a
tangent on who invented
the PC because that's
so debatable.
Out here, man, out
here.
Yeah, as we know it
today, IBM was the one
that drove PCs for the
general home user.
Does that mean it was
the best at the time?
No, not necessarily.
It was new, it was
innovative, it was
something that was
great for the market and
drove the market to
where it is today.
But where is IBM as the
PC manufacturing world
today?
They're actually trying
to get out of the PC
business.
You know why?
Why did they get out?
Why are they dying?
Why couldn't they hang
with it?
Because they did the
same thing.
It's all about using
this proprietary crap.
They kept only
proprietary parts.
This may be too old
school for some of our
younger listeners, but
I mean, you've ever
seen these old
interfaces that you
couldn't take a hard
drive and buy it at a
store or at a computer
show or at Compusa,
which probably didn't
exist.
I don't know when
Compusa came into
existence, and use it
in an IBM because it
was a whole different
interface, whole different
motherboards, whole
different, it would not
cooperate with others.
So that's when the
clones started coming
out.
People said, listen,
we're not going to
deal with this.
You're going to, you
know, it's great that
you invented this
computer, and for a
while they capitalized
on the success of it
for a short term, and
that's what it's all
about.
But if you're inflexible
and you can't adapt,
it's going to hurt you
in the long run.
It's the same thing,
the same argument that
I always use with the
RIAA and the MPAA.
Guess what?
It's a new world.
You will have to adapt
to it, or people are
going to take these
movies and do what
they want with them
without your
cooperation.
So I suggest you
get on board and
come up with a new
marketing plan, a new
distribution plan, a
new way to get
consumers movies at a
reasonable price.
Similar to this, it's
the same thing.
You've got to adapt and
change as the world
change.
Clones were cheaper,
they ran faster, they
had new standards that
IBM refused to take
hold of, and IBM did
back then the same
thing that Sony is
doing now.
If Sony wasn't so
close source, do you
think there'd be, I
mean, people know
that Sony is like
this.
You think JVC's, people
don't know it, Panasonic,
jeez, I can't even
think off my hand,
there's tons of
players in the
electronics.
They're licking their
chops, waiting for
Sony to keep doing
this, because the more
Sony does this, the
more close source,
proprietary stuff they
do, they're smelling
blood, and they know
that Sony's going to
end up just like IBM,
IBM, and frankly,
Apple, we all know
that Apple almost
died.
Great, they came back
strong and powerful
now because they
adapted, which is
exactly what they
needed to do, and
give them nothing but
credit for that.
But Apple almost died
the same thing.
They're another
Microsoft of hardware.
Only Apple could make
the Macintosh.
And you know what?
People got tired of
it, and they almost
died.
And Sony is headed in
that direction.
All these other
companies are like,
you know what?
Our stuff's almost as
good, as good, or even
better, some would
debate than Sony.
And they're just
waiting.
And Sony is going to
keep on, and they're
going to blow it.
That's my bottom
line.
I can go to the
99-cent store and
buy a Walkman, with
batteries included,
probably.
Yeah, but there's
city batteries.
Well, yeah, but not
99 cents.
I'm making a joke.
But for five to ten
bucks, I can go into
any department store on
the planet and buy a
Walkman or a
knockoff.
Yeah, they invented
it.
Great for them.
That's fantastic.
And I'll move on
right into the other
fact that he mentioned
the people who
founded and made
Sony back in 1979,
et cetera, et cetera.
Hey, I have nothing
but respect for that.
That's great for them.
I'm not putting them
down, or the
individuals.
I'm talking about how
they're not adapting
and not changing with
the market.
The founders, the
people, they did
great stuff.
I don't have problems
with them.
I've even said on the
show, I know a lot of
people hate Walmart.
Walmart, and I do
too now.
I dislike them anyway.
I don't hate them as
much as some other
people.
Dual parallel.
But Walmart, when Sam
Walton was running it,
was fantastic.
It was a great place.
He cared.
He did things right.
It was a good company.
He went out and did
things the right way.
Great franchise.
But Sam Walton passed
away, and the stockholders
and shareholders take over,
and that's the first way to
kill any business.
I don't want to get into
a whole tangent on that.
People are greedy.
Yeah, it's all about the
almighty dollar.
People want that money,
and they're going to cut
costs.
They don't care.
They're going to look at
bottom line, and they
blind themselves into
thinking that the way to
make more money is these
closed source things.
So people running Sony
says, hey, we can make
more money by making a new
memory stick, and don't
let them buy the others
because they'll buy the
generic brand, and we
want them to buy Sony
brand.
You know what?
That may sound good on
paper, and that may look
good to your stockholders
in the short term, but
every single day, they're
getting passed.
There's only one company
that's been able to pull
that off over time, and
that's Microsoft.
And you know what?
They're losing more and
more ground every day as
well.
Well, also coming back to
it, I mean, you know, you
and I, and probably most of
our listening audience, we
will go and we'll see, oh,
memory stick is a closed
source product.
I shouldn't buy that.
But at the same time, you
have my dad, my mom, who
will say, oh, look, I can
take this memory stick and
pop it right into my TV, which
is who Microsoft appeals to.
Just point and rule.
I mean, you don't have to
think about anything.
You just take the memory
stick out, pop it into your
TV, and your picture is
there of your puppy, and
you're like, you know, I
don't want to know if you
take pictures of your
flowers and, you know,
unedited.
My wiener.
Yeah, my wiener.
Boy, I was going to go into
that, but I decided to pass
right over it.
But thank you for entering
that, you know.
No problem.
It's my job here.
I've got to bring the
show down.
Yes, yes.
Stank and his makeup and
his miniseries.
The executives of Sirius,
you're telling me.
Coming soon to a store
near you.
Yes.
And that's what their
audience is for.
I mean, getting back to
your IBM thing, you were
talking about how IBM closed
off everything and they went
proprietary.
proprietary, you sort of
went into that.
IBM was open at first, but
they saw they were losing
all of their market share
and you were completely
right about this.
They tried to move to a
closed proprietary source,
which was PS2, not
PlayStation 2, like
Personal System 2 or
something.
And they moved to all
these proprietary buses,
proprietary this,
proprietary that, operating
system 2, which was
proprietary itself, and it
fell flat on its face
because everyone used to
the open cell.
Right.
And this is what I think
Sony might be coming to.
I hope this will work out
because I still feel that
they make very good
hardware, but, you know,
the standards aren't
there.
And I said that before
and on the show, and I
said it again today, and
I'll repeat it.
I'm not talking about
their quality.
Lucky said he had
problems with them.
You say you've had, that
you've liked some of their
stuff.
I don't know either way.
I've heard stories both
ways, and that's, you
know, people can make up
their own minds and decide
if they like the quality
of it.
I just don't want to even
try and bother because I
know that there are other
good quality alternatives
that are not closed source.
And if I, and that's
basically my summary, um,
I don't mean to cut you out.
No, I was playing, um,
PlayStation 2.
Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas,
I was being a badass.
I don't own a PlayStation.
Oh, we won't hold that
against you.
Yeah.
Although I, oh man, I
should, I could admit
something, but I'm not going
to because, yeah, I just
don't want to.
Um, I own the alternative
to the PlayStation.
I'll leave it at that.
Oh!
I know, what a hypocrite
that makes me.
Oh!
I, I, I...
I'm out of here.
Bye.
I'm, of course,
talking about the
Nintendo GameCube.
Anyway, um...
Right, right, right.
Uh, just to summarize,
and, um, bottom line
is that all the companies
that we just talked about,
the, here are Microsoft,
Sony, Apple, IBM,
and there are others,
but those are like the
big ones that jumped
spring to mind.
They're all closed
source systems.
Maybe not 100%.
Like I said,
Sony's got one product
that burns to DVDs.
They've got a couple now
mini-DV.
You know why they did
the mini-DV?
Because the market
passed them by,
and they had to do it,
or they were going to
lose out completely.
They tried to force
their standard,
and consumers said,
no, we're not doing it.
You didn't get us
on this one.
So they had to respond,
being reactive
instead of proactive.
So, all of these companies
are closed source systems,
and they, using these,
all these are form,
all these are,
is forms of control.
These are control mechanisms
to make you come back
and buy the other products.
Like you said a minute ago,
it's a very valid point
that, like, for your,
you know, my parents
are the same way.
You know, I had my,
my father,
I had him buy a Dell
because I wanted to make sure
he got support.
You know, it's a Windows XP box.
I wouldn't try,
Windows XP box.
I wouldn't try to force
Linux onto him
because it's not appropriate.
It's not something that,
you know, for everyone.
But,
that's also where
you fall into the trap.
You mentioned even
in your example
that they can take
the memory card
from the thing
and put it in their
Sony TV
that's prepared
and ready for the mini,
for the,
for the memory stick,
I mean.
You know,
that's where they get you.
They get you hooked
like a drug
and try to make it too easy.
Yes, there's a market for that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
But when you center
your whole business structure
around that,
that's a closed source system,
and generally,
I'm against that.
I try to support
open source systems.
So,
I guess all we can do here,
Havoc,
is,
you know,
I like you
and you've had a lot of emails
and participation,
but I guess we just have to
agree to disagree.
I support open source systems,
whether it's software,
whether it's hardware,
whether it's just adhering
to industry standards,
or even supporting them.
You know,
have your memory stick slot
also support SD,
and I wouldn't have a problem
with that.
I'd be perfectly fine
with that.
But that's not what they do.
Compact flash, man.
That's really the way to go.
Yeah, right?
Actually,
there are still
some pretty good uses for that,
but,
um,
let's close off
with a lighter,
lighter-hearted email here.
And man,
we've got,
we're over an hour,
and we're not even
out of the email here.
Um,
last email is from
System Shocker.
Now, wait a minute,
do we do a superhero sound
for this one, too?
Do we do an electricity?
System Shocker!
Please air this,
Stank,
because this stuff
is cool.
On the last show,
you read an email
from OOB.
Okay,
I don't,
I've got,
I'm probably
screwing this up again.
He's telling me
that I screwed it up,
and I'm probably
screwing it up by
Oob.
I'm gonna say Oob.
He was from
South Africa.
I have a question
for the Stank
D-O-W-G,
which of course
is D-A-W-G,
but I guess
he's taking a jab
at me.
Do you watch
Dragon Ball Z,
G-T?
It's an anime,
no I don't.
It's an anime show
like cartoons from Japan.
Oob is a character.
It so happens
that this guy
is from Africa,
just like the guy
that emailed you.
Boo is evil,
and Oob is good.
Nice.
I think you should
read this on the air.
You messed up
that guy's name,
and the listeners
have a right,
as in Orbel and
Wilbur Wright,
the Wright brothers,
to know the truth.
So,
far be it from me
to keep the truth
from the masses,
from the listeners.
I don't want to be the one,
so I am freeing
this information
as requested
by System Shocker,
so do with that
as you will.
And System Shocker,
just so you know,
I do watch
Dragon Ball Z and G-T.
I know what it is,
but I don't watch it.
I mean,
I know my brother-law
watches it,
but I didn't...
I'm sure there's
a couple of anime
sounds out in the audience
going,
oh!
I like Cowboy Bebop.
Cowboy Bebop's awesome,
but I couldn't get
the Dragon Ball Z.
All the characters
look alike.
There's a bunch of
blonde guys running
around on the screen.
I couldn't keep up.
I'm too old,
I guess.
I couldn't figure out.
All right,
that's it.
Let me see.
How are we doing here?
We're going to have to
really bust it here.
I'm going to do
a very quick
show and tell,
if I may start.
Is that cool?
That's fine with me.
I'll make this quick.
I was going to do
a 2,600...
You know,
our meetings were
last week.
Give a little bit
of recap.
We had some very
cool presenters
at our meeting,
and we had a very
large meeting.
I think it might have
been upwards of
20 people there
this time,
which is very,
very cool,
very good turnout.
And that was
without some
regulars that
did not show up.
So some new
people showed up,
which was really
cool.
And actually,
one of the new
people that showed
up was Mark
from the Mark
and Daryl show
right here on
Rant Radio,
who came,
and not only did
he show up to
the meeting for
the first time,
but gave a
presentation as
well.
So that was
very cool of him.
So make sure
you go check out
the Mark and
Daryl show on
Monday nights,
I believe,
on Rant Radio.
I'm sorry,
I always listen to
the rerun,
the repeat
on Monday nights.
The regular show
I think is
Sunday,
Sunday nights.
I may have that
messed up,
but on RantRadio.com
you can definitely
find out the
schedule of that.
And he came and
gave a presentation
which was really,
really cool.
Very good stuff.
We also had
a special guest.
We had
Rim from
the Ghetto
Hacker showed up
and we kind of
sat and talked
for a while,
got some good
information from him.
So that was
very cool to have
some new people
show up to the
meeting that
brought some
interesting viewpoints
around.
And,
boy,
actually I've got
a lot of show
and tell.
Let me see.
I'm a terrorist.
Have you heard that?
That's a good one.
According to
Ara Tremblay
from Technology
Decisions...
Oh, I'm not
hearing with you.
I just realized
that.
Oh, damn it.
Yeah, I'm,
well, yeah,
you're an
accomplice, I guess.
There goes my
FBI file.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
Ratchet,
comma,
black.
You are now
in the files.
This gentleman,
this gentleman
wrote an article,
technologydecisions.com,
wrote an article
about how we're
all worried about
terrorists that are
overseas and flying
planes into buildings
when we really
should be focused
on the terrorists
that are training
within our own
borders, such as
myself, apparently.
and we have
training and
hacker conventions
and teaching.
I'm not going to
spend time on
this.
You can go to
the forums,
forums.binrev.com,
and there's a
thread in there
somewhere where
we've talked about
this, but you
know what?
I don't think it's
really worth my
time to even
address this.
This is just
ignorance by the
absolute definition
of the word
ignorance, not as
an insult.
and I'm going
to just go on.
It's a little
hacking into
thread by me.
I forget what
I call it.
Yeah, it's,
um, yeah.
Um, also, I
am, I'm trying,
I'm trying my
best to match
Lucky 225's
media horridness.
Now, boy, that
is such a cool
word to make up.
Horridness.
Media horridness.
That's a great
word.
Um, I'm going
to be on an
upcoming episode
of a show on
Animal Planet
that's called
World's Most
Extreme.
Funny they
would have a
terrorist on a
educational channel,
but anyway.
Don't tell them
that.
They'll take you
down.
Yeah, right.
Um, I don't
know when it's
going to air yet,
but, um, I
got the proof
copy today in
the mail from
them, um, and
I'm, I gotta say,
I think they did
a good job.
They differentiated
good hackers,
bad hackers.
They played the
angle well, which
I was concerned
with, but I
spoke to the
producer when they
were filming.
I explained to
them that my
involvement, this
is what I
expected, and this
is what I didn't
want to see, and,
um, they were, they
were very
accommodating, it
seemed.
I was still
worried, but, uh,
as it turns out, it
came out pretty good.
I'm very comfortable
with the way it
came out.
Um, and it's
also kind of...
Yeah, it's world's
most extreme, and it's
going to be, um, it
hasn't aired yet, I
don't believe, it's
going to be sometime
early 2005, so when I
get more information
on the air date, I
will let everyone
know.
It's also, there's
kind of a cool, funny
thing, is I told them
they can use my real
name, that's not a
problem, I don't hide
that, you know, people
know, I'm not going to
drop it here on the
show, I'm not the
doc dropper or
anything, but, you
know, it's not hard to
find if you look a
little bit, but I
told them they could
use it, but I would
prefer that they
didn't.
I would prefer to
go by my handle, and
they did.
They listed me, it was
really kind of funny
to hear this voiceover
guy with the perfect
radio announcer voice
saying Stank Dog on
the show, that was
kind of funny sounding,
and even in the
credits rolling at the
very end, had Stank
Dog listed in it,
which just made me
laugh when I saw it.
Here is, had a
radio announcer
Stank Dog.
Um, and let's see,
what else, what else,
uh, oh, I'm
not gonna, yeah, since
we're running low on
time, I'm gonna make
this a short rant, but
it's still the same
topic as the other
rants, and that's
proprietary systems.
I have a Motorola, uh,
V600 phone, I was
really looking forward
to this being released
when it finally came
out, I switched over
to it, I wanted to
finally have the
Bluetooth that I could
work with my laptop.
The short version is,
I clearly told them
up front what I was
expecting.
Here's what I want to
do with the phone.
I want to be able to
import and export, I
don't care if it's a
comma-separated value,
CSV file, some
proprietary format, uh,
an access database, I
don't care what file
type it is, but I
want to be able to
import and export my
phone book somehow
using the Bluetooth.
It's also a camera
phone, I want it to be
able to drag and drop
files or copy files
somehow back and
forth with that
Bluetooth to my
laptop with a
Bluetooth adapter.
I said, I'm not paying
anything extra for a
cable, for any
software, I don't need
a cable, you know,
it's built in, it's
Bluetooth.
If it adheres to
standards, I shouldn't
need any special
software, and I'm not
going to pay for data
services.
I don't want to email
myself the pictures and
pay per megabyte for
it, I don't want any of
that.
Can I use this phone to
copy it to the laptop?
And they told me flat
out that yes, that is
absolutely all you have
to do.
I bought the phone, they
lied to me, that's the
short version, so I
finally got the truth
from Motorola tech
support, luckily, but
by the time it took me
they don't want to, you
know what, all I'm going
to say with this one
very vaguely, and tiptoe
along this gray line, I
understand what drives
people to piracy.
Completely.
So, that's my show
and tell.
Web Radio does not
promote piracy in any
way, shape, or form.
Always drink your milk,
kids, and do good
stuff.
Take your vitamins, and
all you hulkamaniacs out
there.
Oh, my God.
That's it for me, because
we're running real long
here.
Why don't, well, we got a
little bit of time, don't
rush or anything.
What kind of stuff have
you been working on
lately?
Well, as much as used in
doing stuff that I
haven't.
Not true.
I've been working on the
website again, which is,
for those of you who
don't know, I have two, I
have blackratchet.org,
which I've been working on
an asterisk out on for my,
a bunch of phones that I
bought, they're old Cisco
phones, and they use, the
problem with the Cisco
phones is that there's
two types, the old types
and the new types, and
there's two drivers for
asterisk with it, one of
which has a whole load of
features and everyone uses.
However, it doesn't work with
my phone.
And there's another version
which is a little less
featured, but it does work
with my phone.
So I've been working on
trying to combine the two
and make a third one which
works with my phone, yet has
all the features that
everyone wants.
So I'm working on that.
And that's been very slow
going because I don't do
C very well.
So we're working on that.
And the other thing I've been
working on, my other
website, which is yet another
payphone list, y-a-p-l dot
org, which I will show out
there in a shameless plug.
Yapple.
That's what I call it.
Yapple.
And for those of you who don't
know, don't know me on the
forums, it's basically, I'm a
bit of a phone freak in the
statistics, I guess you could
call it.
I enjoy useless, trivial bits
of information.
And one of the things I've
started is basically working
on mapping and getting
information on every payphone
across America.
Yes, I know it sounds silly,
but stop laughing.
Good luck with that.
Well, wait a minute.
First of all, why don't you,
I don't, Yapple stands for,
of course.
Yet another payphone list.
Classic thing.
Did I not say that?
I don't think so.
Okay.
Yapple.
Yet another payphone list.
It doesn't hurt to repeat it.
Go ahead.
I said it doesn't hurt to
repeat it.
That's all right.
Yeah.
There's a couple of payphones
out there, but I was
shooting for a couple of
things that a lot of them
don't have, because a lot of
them are just very, very out
of date.
And far be it for me to tell
these people how to run
their sites, because I
wouldn't want someone else to
tell me how to run my site.
Although I'm very open to
suggestions.
Everyone wants it.
And I'm shooting for an
additional feature, like I'm
going to hopefully spread it
out to internationally,
across Europe, and, you know,
Russia, China, basically
anywhere you want, because
right now it's just really
just locked down to the USA
and Canada.
And a couple other small
features.
I highly encourage everyone
to check it out and stroke my
ego by sending phones.
Very cool stuff.
And, and, joking, I know you
said this as a joke, but the
list, we're not going to
announce it quite yet, but I
did say at the beginning of
the show, another thing you've
been spending your time as a
project that you and I have
been working together on that
we've been putting a lot of
time into.
Now, let's not, let's not
forget about that.
We're not going to, it's not
ready for prime time yet, but
it will be...
We announced it, we'll just
let people think about it.
Yeah, well, and people...
Oh, you mentioned it,
excuse me, you didn't
announce it.
Yeah, I, I, people hate it
when I do that, I know that
I'm, it's kind of a tease, but
very, very soon.
Like I said, we're going to
announce a big thing here
before Christmas, and then two
other projects that are, the
one that you and I are working
on, and another one that Nick
84 and I were working on, that
are both right there, just about
ready to roll out, but we
can't until we get the last
little bits of things ironed
out, and the security
tightened up on them, so
they're done, finally.
They're currently alpha
testing.
Exactly.
No, actually, I would, I'm
confident to say we're into
beta testing on this.
It's just not a public beta
test, unfortunately.
Very, very, very private
beta, me and you.
Yeah, yeah, right now.
But the other thing is that
once it goes live, we kind of
bypass the public beta because
it's an interactive, you know
what, never mind, I'm saying
too much.
Everyone will like it, go
visit it when it comes out,
and you will love it.
Yeah, I will.
And you shower me in
spank and thousand dollar
bills.
Yeah, I don't know about all
that.
Wishful thinking.
They'll zing pennies at us,
maybe.
I'm not sure if I want the
forum members flinging
panties at me.
Hmm, there you go.
All right, well, we've only
got like five or six minutes
left, so we're going to have
to pound, although this is a
short main topic today,
because I think it's news that
everybody's heard about, and
that is that Tech TV basically
cleaned house.
I mean, they fired everybody
on the screensavers, except for
our good friend Kevin Rose.
Yay, Kevin.
They have, who are the new
hosts?
They got two people, they're new
to the show, I think, but
apparently they've been on
Tech TV.
Who's the new hosts?
Well, I'm going to put this up
with a disclaimer.
I haven't basically watched it
in the regular sense since the
merger.
I watched it when I was in
college, which was 2003, but
once I moved back home without
digital cable, right out the
window.
I'm looking at his website right
now, and it's our lovely
friend Kevin, with his thumbs up
on his laptop.
We have a Sarah Lane, and a
Chi Chan Liu, and a Kevin
Pereira, and a Brendan Warren.
If I remember correctly, it's
Sarah and Kevin, who are the
hosts.
Yeah, I believe that is
correct.
And I guess neither one of
them really had, I guess this
is their first, like, big
hosting gig or something like
that?
I've never heard of any of
them.
Yeah, and Kevin Rose...
With the exception of
Kevin.
I think the other Kevin
Pereira guy hosted something
else, if I remember reading.
But again, I don't, yeah, I'm
like, I shouldn't even say
that, because I don't get
those channels, I don't get
cable, and of course the
regular listeners know that,
so I'll just, I'll digress.
But, um, Kevin is actually
not a host on the show.
I guess he's just going to
do segments and content and
do his dark tips, because I
guess that's apparently what
he's good at?
I don't know.
I, I...
Anyway, I mean, like, for
example, the dark tips for
December, here's a list.
He's going to have dark
deals, telling you how to
shop on the internet.
Yay, that's so dark and
dangerous.
The underbelly of the
hacking world.
Dark deals.
Okay, maybe.
Yeah.
Um, hide your data.
I guess some of these have
passed.
This was on December 2nd.
Creating hidden data
compartments out of normal
household items.
Yeah, that was fun when I
was eight years old.
Okay, that, and what does
that have to do with
hacking?
What, how's that?
No one looks underneath my
bed for my porn next.
Yeah, exactly.
No one, no one will ever
find the key I have hidden
under the rock in the front
lawn, right?
Oh, crap, you got one of
those two?
Yeah.
Do-it-yourself vodka.
Now, how does, what is
that, ah, jeez.
Well, as much as it
relates to hacking, I
think it's a cool topic,
but mainly because I'm an
alcoholic, but.
Yeah.
Well, there's also, you'll
look forward to the do-it-yourself
beer kit on December 16th.
Well, you don't need a kit
for do-it-yourself beer,
but I don't think I like
that.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Dark deals again.
He's got a few of these
dark deals.
Uh, TV Be Gone is in
here, which, like, a lot of
store places have done
that, so I guess that one's
a good one.
I'll give you, I'll give
him that one.
That one's a good one.
I like that.
Surf Anonymously, actually,
that was December 6th.
That was Monday.
Do it, uh, Surf Anonymously,
the latest software to keep
you hidden online.
Well, we kind of did that
recently ourselves, but
that's pretty general talk.
I'll give him that one.
I'll give him that one,
too.
Hack Your Cell, some great
hacks for your cell phone.
Well, that's, are you
vague much?
Hello?
Can I download new
rings?
Yeah, I mean, what, yeah,
how to put one of those
little holographic stickers
on your faceplate?
Is that, uh, yeah, you
know?
Well, with every sticker
you put on, you increase
your output by a watt.
I'm not, I'm not missing
much with, with tech TV,
am I?
Not really.
Well, we're going to
have to wrap up here.
I'm going to, you know
what, here, I'll give, I'll
give my own dark tip.
Here's Stank Dog's dark deal.
This is my dark tip of the
day.
Let's see if Kevin Rose
uses this on the show.
Um, I kind of stumbled
across a neat thing
accidentally, um, going on
eBay.
Being that I have poor
typing skills, and Black
Ratchet can more than
vouch for that in instant
messaging, um, I have a
tendency to misspell
sometimes, and I'm too
lazy.
It's faster for me, it's
faster to me to retype the
entire sentence or start
over than it is, I'll just
delete it and start over
than it is to back up and
correct things.
So, I figure if it's close
enough, it works.
So, I found out that you
might be able to get a
dark deal on eBay if you
misspell something.
And the reason why is
because you might get
lucky that the person who
listed the item for auction
misspelled it.
For example, I'll go back to
last week's topic of plan
pilots.
We were teasing someone who
sent in an email because he
kept misspelling palm pilot as
plan pilot, which we were
just teasing him, but you
know what?
I bet if you did a little
search for plan pilot on
eBay, you might get lucky.
And since it's spelled
wrong, few other people are
finding it, you might be one
of the few or only bidders
on it, and you might get a
cheap plan pilot.
Yep, actually, I will
attest to this.
One of my friends, there's a
company out there who makes
TV capture calls called
Hoppage, and it's, I can't
even spell the damn thing,
H-A-U-P-P-A-G-E, and he
just did this.
He kept on feeding it
misspellings, and he picked
up this, like, you know, 50 to
an $80 card for $10.
Yeah, so there, that's
Stankdog's dark deal of the
day.
Fear my neat hacks or skills.
All right, on that, we will
head to the shouts, and I'll
just, I'll pop mine out here
and get it over with.
Mark, from the Mark and
Daryl show, like I said,
came out and gave us a
presentation, which was very
cool of him.
And hey, why not Daryl, too?
So, sure, shouts out to Daryl.
Go check out their show, The Mark and Daryl Show on Rant Radio,
or go to Risen.com, R-A-Z-Z-N.com.
Pimp that site.
Again, to Rim from The Ghetto Hackers, very cool guy, very fun to talk to.
He has some pretty good stories and a pretty sharp guy.
To Logos X, whose name I've mispronounced a couple times on the show,
Logos X, who's doing our show notes and some other projects,
the 2600 Secrets Project.
And, you know, again, to Nick84, the guy just does so much.
I can't give him enough credit.
This guy does so much that not only that people see and hear about
and how helpful he is and how much code.
There's so much stuff that people don't hear about that he helps with, too.
I mean, I just can't say enough good things about him.
So, what else you got?
What do you want to add?
Me?
Shouts to anybody you want.
Thank you for having me on.
I'm going to be your co-host this week.
Yeah, blah, blah.
I don't count.
Well, thank you anyway.
Screw you.
There you go.
That's more like it.
I'll send shouts out to Blake Ops, Square Area, Avid, Doug, Straub Carlson,
Not Theory, Decoder, I don't know who else, all the DDP forum,
and the guy who sent me his Lyman test set this afternoon.
Oh, cool.
Yes.
Very cool.
All right.
How about, like, your cat or girlfriend, anything?
I'll send shouts out to my girlfriend.
She might listen to this.
I was going to say, is there any chance in hell that she'd listen to this, though?
I might point it out to her.
She's actually curious what the hell I do on the computer.
Really?
Okay.
No, that's cool.
Shouts out.
Hi, honey.
Shouts out to her, too.
I love you.
Oh, no.
Okay.
You just scored on that one.
Hopefully.
And I'll send shouts out to my cat.
All right.
And, of course, to contact us, email, I mentioned earlier, radio at binrev.com.
Our closing music tonight is from Two Skinny Jays.
It's called Get in the Van.
So, again, Black Ratchet, thank you for being on the show.
It was very good.
Very, very good having you on the show.
And you will be on another upcoming show when we do announce this project.
It's going to be real tricky here through the holidays with scheduling,
so I'm not even going to commit to next week's show as far as what the content's going to be
because 75 is supposed to be the third telephonic craptacular.
I don't know if I'm going to be able to make that.
I might have to do some shuffling of shows here.
And, of course, the Christmas holidays are going to throw things off for people.
But sometime within the next month or so, we're going to make a lot of big announcements.
So we'll just leave it at that.
So, again...
Is there going to be no Stank Dog Christmas special?
There might just be...
There might be some surprises in store that way, too, yes.
A very stinky Christmas.
A very stinky...
Oh, you're killing me.
All right, well, before I bust out laughing here to close out the show,
we'll end the same way we always do,
and that is to tell everybody that we will see them next week,
same hack time...
Same hack channel.
Here we go on the road, that's all we have to know,
because we'd be steadily stomping at every show.
Put your hands up before your mic out and tear off the roof,
you'll cut and turn the lights out.
So we'd be going down low, and from close to close,
have a good know-and-up, who takes a go?
Because we travel through miles, across time, across land,
lock up your stuff, kid, and get in the pants.
It's incredible!
Sometimes it's so close I can taste it,
but it seems so far away I can't face it.
I'm crazy!
To chase it, we take to city streets and interstate,
with frames of feather waves and heavy beats on our plate.
We roll into town like thunder,
command no band of standouts, handing out propaganda.
It's our land, yes!
Our small minds have big waves and loud voices.
It's time for a change!
And it comes from the people!
Are you with me?
We stand up and challenge the authorities.
Come get me!
Watch the flock up yelling,
Hit me!
Like Britney!
Spineless and mindless, well out in the yard.
Rocking hard, well you'll find us,
if we spent years with the adventurous team.
Ask him, who I took your head slay?
Don't mention me, go round for round,
but I'm the stand bully,
I'm a bound like a rocker,
you don't have to be pounded by bullies.
Here we go on the road, that's all we have to know,
cause we be steadily stomping at every show.
Change!
Put your hands up,
pull your mic down and tear off the roof,
your car that turned our lights out.
So here we go,
we can flow, and from coast to coast,
but you know when the food takes the flow,
cause we babble through minds across time of our plans.
Pack up your stuff, kid, and get in the pants.
You must rise when the night falls,
down the ground, down the road,
down the road, when your light calls.
Will you stand still, or walk tall?
Will you ride that hit single, hit, hit,
on the wall?
I'm falling and I still got the scars,
I've been binded but I still see the stars.
Cause we did this the hard way,
to parkways and boarding,
and hit all the causeways,
from mumfuck to broadway.
Hit roads and dodge dots,
rip shows, flip roads and rock hard,
to the upstart, pop star,
who taught the job?
Sold yourself for stolen gold,
but what about so?
Stand with me, stand with me,
lift your piss up,
now ban with me, ban with me,
we can do this right together.
We can make a change for the better,
and a change of winds of change for stormy weather.
Get out!
Here we go on the road,
that's all we have to know,
cause we'd be steadily stopping at every show.
Check!
Push your hands up!
Check!
Pull your mic out,
and get off the roof,
you'll call that down,
I like love.
So we go,
tempo,
and fro,
up to coast,
out like you know,
when the food takes a focus,
we travel through minds across,
time across land,
lock up your stuff, kid,
and get in the van.
go.
If you have to reach out,
up to coast,
you'll find some EmergingELys,
put in 10 Ol Gemini,
and get out!
Get out!
Hey,
where the to go!
This is the end!
Now!
Newрок!
This is a part of the house!
You can watch our crash,
and then raise your mind.
I'll beқ-a yake f situation,
in your hands.
I'll be monuments across the forest.
millennials
We'll be right back.