This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dreamcast
You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
And a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIPs, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
This is Binary Revolution Radio episode 74
I am Stank Dog, this is December 14th, 2004
And joining me, co-hosting the show tonight
Is a good long time friend of ours
The one and only, we hope, Voodoo How
On location actually
Thank you, thank you
Not exactly an interesting or useful location for the show
But an interesting location nonetheless
We are going to jump right into the housekeeping
If that's cool with you
Works for me
I'm gonna go find a hooker
Yeah
If you hear honking or anything in the background
You'll know
You might be able to GPS pinpoint exactly where Voodoo How
We should have made this a game
Somehow by tracking the
Yeah, tracking a GPS on your cell phone
To try to figure out
It'd be like where's Waldo
Except where's Voodoo
Alright, maybe not
Maybe I'm stretching
Anyway, yeah
Let's jump into the housekeeping here
And let everybody know
That because this is 74
I kind of was starting a little tradition
Of doing every 25th issue
Being something I call the telephonic craptacular
Which is a bunch of funny phone recordings
Telemarketer calls
Interesting freak adventures, if you will
Things like that, that I've recorded
I'm gonna try to put one together again next week
But I'll be honest with you
Don't have a whole lot of material saved up
Since I've been on the do not call list
It's helped a little bit, I have to say
I don't get as many telemarketer calls
And people to make fun of
And switching over to
Toasty VoIP goodness
Which we are using again this week
My number is kind of not out there yet
So
I haven't really had the opportunity
To play with the telemarketers
Which is really a pastime of mine that I miss
But anyway, I am still gonna try to put something out
I've got some other ideas in mind
Some other recordings and calls to make
And I do have a few things already recorded
So we're gonna put something together
I think next week for that
Also in the housekeeping
I have been working a little bit
On my personal site
Over at StankDawg.com
That's D-A-W-G
S-T-A-N-K-D-A-W-G
Dot com
I kinda was
I just got tired looking at that same old site
And I was never really that happy with it
To begin with, frankly
Geeklog content management system
I was using before
And it was alright
It got the job done
But it was not
It wasn't anything special
It was another dime a dozen
Content management system
So
Not to disrespect it
But it just wasn't really
It just got boring for me
So I decided to switch
Out of the blue
So I just up and installed
Mambo right over top of it
So
It's taken me a while
To just get the thing configured
And get some basic content up there
A welcome message
And stuff like that
So that's up now at least
So go check that out
And I will
Slowly over time
Start adding
Adding some posts
And some projects
And articles
Etc to it
It's got an RSS feed built in
Which is cool
So you can add that to your site
And check it out if you want
Or check out the RSS feed
And
I guess that's about it
I don't
I'm going to make that
From now on
My
I guess my official
Not that anything I do
Is official
Official pain in the ass
That's about it
But
My official site
For posting news
And information now
In lieu of
Disappearing from the forums
And kind of stepping back
From
From a lot of the drama
And stuff
I'm just going to make this
My site for posting
New announcements
And things like that
So probably
Might want
Well I shouldn't say probably
If you
If you actually care
You might want to check
The StankDog.com site out
Or add the feed
If you want to see
The latest news
And announcements
And of course
I will update
The BinRev.com pages
With reflections
Of new progress
And status reports
As well
And
Unless you have
Any housekeeping
Not at all
Nothing for you
Huh?
That's why I'm the most
Boring guest host
Well
I don't know
About all that
I mean
Well
I won't drop
Anybody's names
I won't go there
We have
Let's see
Oh I'm sorry
Before we jump
Into the email
I should play
The theme music
And
Our first email
This week
Comes from
Uncle Toxie
Says
Hey StankDog
That's D-O-G
But that's alright
It's a common
Misspelling
I see a lot
He calls me
D-O-G
StankDog
I wanted to comment
On episode 72
First
I love the show
And the mag
I just came across it
After hearing the
Hacker radio panel
From the 5th Hope
Well that's
That's really cool
I love hearing that
That's our good friend
SlipMode
That gave that presentation
At the 5th Hope
That's awesome
You guys are doing
A great job
And I can't wait
For the next installment
Of Hack TV
Well you're going to
Have to wait
I'll get to that
In a second
Anywho
I'm sure
That you have
Gotten a million
Messages about
This already
But I couldn't
Resist the opportunity
To shamelessly
Try and give you
Some good loving
Down by the fire
Hey
I never
Turned down
Good sweet loving
Down by the fire
Microsoft did
Indeed make a
Telephone
It was the
Microsoft
MP900
I found someone
Trying to sell it
On eBay
And he even
Gives a tiny
URL of
5ACJX
Now it might be
Sold or expired
By the time
You see that
But at least
You'll see
What it looks
Like
And actually
I added that
In the show
Notes for last
Week
Anyway
So there was
Already a link
To the
Microsoft phone
I believe
Let's see
Where was I
You also asked
About who the
Hell would want
To play
PlayStation 1
Games on a
PS2
Well I do
And more often
Than not
My 3 year old
Does too
Which brings me
To my next
Comment
I'm sorry to
Hear about the
Trouble that
You've had
I agree with
You about
Sony pushing
Standards down
Our throat
But I have
Always been
Able to
Ignore that
I have owned
And now own
A plethora
Of Sony
Projects
Pro
Excuse me
Prod ducks
See he threw
Me off by
Using the word
Plethora
See that's not
Exactly a word
I don't know
If that may be
A first
I don't know
If we've ever
Had plethora
In an email
Before on the
Show
So that kind
Of threw me
Off there
Kind of
Alright let me
Start over again
Let me do that
Sentence justice
Any sentence
With the word
Plethora in it
Deserves my
Utmost attention
Hold on let me
Let me try that
Again
I have owned
And now own
A plethora
Of Sony
Products
Then again
I love
Walmart too
I guess I
Should get out
More
That 10%
Discount that we
Get my wife
Works there
Is just too
Sweet for my
Scrooge ass
To pass up
Again keep up
All the great
Work and try
To say
Um
Ah hell
I'll say it
Try to say
Fuck a little
More
I have to
Live
Fuck
I have to
Live vicariously
Through you
The first time
My son said
Fuck
My wife went
Thermal
And well
Let's just say
I have to be
A good fucking
Boy now
Shouts to all
The DDP crew
From Tejas
So
Texas represent
Tejas
And uh
Fuck fuck fuck
Fuck
Yeah
Fuck
Gotta keep
The listeners happy
Well you know
And here's
See this is
Language is an
Ongoing issue
To me
You know
I'm torn
I'm really torn
Like
I am not
Opposed to
Using these
Words
And people
Have heard me
Use them a lot
And
I just like
To have a
Reason for
Using them
When I do
Um
Reasons to me
Can be very vague
Like reading an
Email
If I'm quoting
The guy
Sometimes I'll
Edit it on the
Fly
Sometimes not
So quoting
Somebody I'll
Use it
Um
To get my
Point across
When I have
Like
Occasionally I'll
Have a rant
In case you've
Ever noticed
That about the
Show
Sometimes I'll
Just get angry
And go off
About something
It's kind of
Rare
Yeah it's
Kind of rare
But you know
Occasionally
Like
At least once
An episode
Probably
But I try to
Keep my language
In control
As much as
Possible
I really do
But
Even being
Funny
Is the use
Of the word
Fuck to me
So if it's
Fucking funny
To say fuck
I'll fucking
Say fuck
All fucking
Day long
You know
Humor
Yeah right
Yeah I'll
Smurfing
Say smurf
All smurfing
Day long
Oh no
Man are we
Going to start
A trend
With everybody
Saying smurfy
Now
Well I was
Just referring
To the use
Of fuck
In every other
Word
Just like
The smurfs
You know
What
Maybe we
Should make
That our
Ongoing joke
Every time
We see
The f word
Let's use
The word
Smurf
Instead
I don't
Know if
I could
Do that
Though
That's
Kind of
A hard
Language
Change
To make
No
Yeah you
Know what
Screw you
I'm going
To try
It
That would
Be fuck
You by
The way
I'm sorry
Smurf
You
Oh that's
Smurfalicious
Oh man
That's funny
Yeah right
Yeah but
Seriously you
Know I do
I try to
Control my
Language
From just
Dropping it
For no
Purpose
Whatsoever
That's the
Only thing
I try to
Control
I still
Probably use
It in just
About every
Episode
And I
Know that
Alienate
Some
Listeners
But I'm
Not
On
Public
Well I
Guess I'm
On public
Radio
Kinda
I'm not
On the
Airways
So I
Don't have
Those limitations
And I
Don't feel
Like I
Should be
Forced to
Abide by
Them
They don't
Apply to
Me
So
Smurf
Them
You know
Speaking of
Fuck
I just
Drove all
The way
Down
Our
City's
Martin
Luther
King
Boulevard
And
Have
Found
No
Hookers
You know
There's a
Martin
Luther
King
Boulevard
In
Every
Single
City
In
The
United
States
Of
America
Yes
There
Everywhere
That I've
Ever lived
There's been
A
Martin
Luther
King
Boulevard
Interesting
Must be
Too cold
For the
Hookers
Yeah
What is
The
Temperature
Up
There
It's
Like
I want
To say
About
32
Degrees
Right
Now
Good
Googly
Moogly
Are you
Serious
Yeah
Holy
Crap
It
Got
Down
To
24
Last
Night
Man
You
Do
Need
Some
Sweet
Loving
Down
By
The
Fire
Keep
You
Warm
Apparently
None
Of
It's
For
Sale
Yeah
Keep
You
Warm
All right
Well you
Keep
You
Keep
On
The
Lookout
And
I'll
Go
On
Ahead
To
Our
Oh
No
I
Want
I
Wanted
To
Talk
About
The
Sony
Thing
The
Sony
Thing
I
Want
To
Put
It
To
Rest
I
Gotten
Emails
From
People
From
Both
Sides
The
Bottom
Line
Is
I
Don't
Like
Sony
The
Company
For
The
Reasons
That
I've
Gone
Into
They
Are
The
Microsoft
Of
Hardware
That's
What
I
Believe
And
You
Don't
Have
To
A
Lot
Of
People
Don't
A
Lot
Of
People
Like
Sony
And
That's
Perfectly
Fine
And
This
Gentleman
Is
Uncle
Toxie
Here
Is
One
Of
Them
So
I
Don't
Fault
You
For
That
I
Think
It's
Cool
If
You
Really
Think
They
Make
Good
Products
And
You
Can
Get
Over
The
Fact
That
They
Run
The
Company
The
Way
They
Do
Then
You
Know
That's
Great
I
Don't
I'm
Not
Going to
Fault
Somebody
For
Buying
I'm
Just
Explaining
Why
I
Don't
And
I
Hope
I
Honestly
Do
Hope
That
More
People
Agree
With
Me
Maybe
They
Didn't
Think
About
It
That
Way
Before
But
I'm
Not
Going
To
Stand
Up
On
A
Soap
Box
And
Try
To
Talk
You
Out
Of
Buying
It
I
Hope
You
Don't
But
I'm
Not
Going to
Start
A big
Flame
War
Over
It
But
Yeah
A lot
Of
People
Have
Written
Emails
That
Agree
With
Me
A lot
Of
People
Written
Emails
That
They
Don't
Care
Or
That
They
Do
Like
Sony
And
I
Don't
Know
I
Don't
I
Just
Don't
So
It's
Really
I'm
Getting
A lot
More
Response
From
This
Topic
Than
I
Thought
And
I
Don't
Really
Understand
Why
I
Mean
It's
Such
Like
A
Silly
Thing
That
Started
Off
In
An
Email
And
It's
Not
That
Important
It's
Really
Not
That
Big
A
Deal
But
Hey
If
You
That's
I
Got
To
Give
Points
That's
A
Good
Story
That's
Ironic
That's
Good
Stuff
Right
There
And
Kids
Don't
Forget
To
Go
Pick up
The
Sony
PSP
When
It
Smurf
At
All
Next
Email
This
Week
Is
From
Yikes
I'm
Going
To
Go
With
Fall
Wire
F
A
L
W
Y
R
I'm
Going
To
Go
With
Fall
Wire
On
This
One
You
Want
To
Take
A
Guess
F
A
L
W
Y
R
That's
Okay
You're
Just
Going
To
Leave
Me
Hung
Out
To
Dry
If
I
Get
It
Wrong
I'm
The
One
On
See
This
Is
Like
An
Ongoing
Game
To
Me
Because
Fuck
It
Fuck
It
Fuck
It
Fuck
It
Fuck
It
I
Don't
Think
That's
His
Handle
If
So
Making
The
Other
Guy
Happy
Damn
It
Yeah
We're
Pleasing
The
One
Guy
I
Mean
Some
Of
These
Names
Are
Just
So
Unique
And
So
Unpronounceable
That
It's
Like
An
Ongoing
Game
To
Me
To
Try
To
Figure
It
Out
So
Pardon
Me
If
I
Butcher
It
I'm
Trying
Email
Me
And
Tell
Me
If
I
Screwed
It
Up
And
We'll
Correct
It
Next
Time
Anyway
Fall
Wire
I'm
Going
With
Says
Thank
Dog
You
Mention
Hotmail
Bumped
The
Storage
Space
Up
To
250
Megabyte
After
Yahoo
Up
To
100
Megabyte
And
Of
Course
Both
Of
Those
Companies
Did
That
Because
Gmail
Came
Out
With
The
Beta
With
A
Gigabyte
Of
Space
So
They
Were
Reacting
Of
Course
Let's
See
Where
Was
I
Noticed
A few
Days
Ago
That
My
Yahoo
Is
Now
Set
At
250
Megs
Figured
It
Must
Be
Related
And
If
You
Already
Knew
No
Harm
In
Pointing
It
Out
Actually
I
Did
Not
Know
That
I
Went
And
Checked
My
Yahoo
Account
When
I
They
Are
Actually
Like
I
Said
They
I
Think
They
Have
Given
Up
On
Trying
To
Give
People
A
Gigabyte
Of
Email
Like
Google
Is
Doing
I
Think
They
Realize
That
They
Don't
Really
Have
To
Compete
With
Them
On
Simply
How
Much
Space
They
Have
I
Mean
Would
You
Choose
Honestly
If
You
Have
Those
Three
Options
Let's
Not
Even
Put
Names
On
Let's
Just
Say
Product
A
B
And
C
And
A
And
B
Offered
250
Megs
Of
Space
And
C
Offered
One
Gigabyte
Of
Space
Is
It
Really
That
Much
More
Attractive
To
Have
A
Gigabyte
To
You
Personally
Yes
That's
A lot
More
Porn
I
Mean
Not
Really
I
Couldn't
Really
Care
Less
I
Use
My
Yahoo
Account
Quite
A
Bit
And
My
Hotmail
Account
I
Don't
Really
Use
A
Lot
Of
That
Space
So
The
One
Gigabyte
The
Only
Other
Use
For
That
To
Me
Is
File
Storage
So
I
Use
My
Mojo
Networks
Dot
Net
Account
Pimp
Yeah
Um
Hey
You're
Not
The
Only
One
I
Use
Your
Mojo
Networks
Dot
Net
Account
Too
Um
Let's
See
What
Where
Was
I
Here
Okay
Keep
The
Shows
Coming
The
Content
Is
Enlightening
Especially
The
Gamer
Shows
But
Also
The
User
That
Knows
More
Than
Some
And
Less
Than
Most
Serious
Computer
Operators
I
Have
No
Involvement
With
Quote
Information
Gathering
Unquote
And
I
Am
Without
Skill
So
I
Don't
Understand
Much
Of
What
I
Hear
But
Will
Continue
To
Listen
Hopefully
Learning
More
About
What
The
Craft
Is
Really
About
And
Better
Understanding
Rights
Laws
And
Politics
Well
I
Don't
Know
About
The
Politics
Part
We
Try
To
Minimize
That
As
Much
As
Humanly
Possible
But
I
I'm
Sure
Some
Slips
In
On
Occasion
Not
Tonight
To
Know
Tonight
Is
Going
To
Be
All
Tech
Topic
For
Our
Main
Topic
But
Again
The
Yahoo
And
Hotmail
To
Me
I
Was
Thinking
About
This
They
Don't
Have
To
Compete
With
Gmail
As
Far
As
Space
Because
Both
Yahoo
And
Hotmail
A.K.A.
Passport
Are
Both
Single
Sign
In
Systems
They're
Not
Trying
To
Sell
You
On
We're
The
One
With
The
Most
Storage
Space
That's
Gmail's
Hook
To
Set
Them
Apart
That's
Their
Carrot
On
A
Stick
If
You
Will
To
Try
To
Get
You
Over
To
Off
You
The
Highest
Space
What
Yahoo
And
Microsoft
Passport
Which
Contains
Hotmail
These
Are
Both
Single
Sign
In
Systems
That
Give
You
Not
Only
Email
But
Access
To
All
Of
The
Other
Things
That
They
Have
Going
On
As
Well
Like
I
Don't
Know
Fantasy
Sports
On
Yahoo
The
My
Yahoo
Custom
Page
Yahoo
Alerts
Yahoo
Groups
And
Same
With
Microsoft
They
Have
I
Don't
Know
If
It's
Called
Microsoft
Groups
Or
Passport
Groups
Or
Whatever
It's
Is
It
Obvious
That
You're
More
A
Yahoo
Person
Than
I
Have
Microsoft
Guy
Yeah
Well
I
Use
Them
For
What
They
Are
You
Know
I
Bash
Microsoft
Sometimes
But
I
Use
The
Hotmail
Account
I
Mean
I
Guess
That
Makes
Me
A
Hypocrite
A
Little
Bit
I
Don't
Not
At
All
I
Just
Thought
It
Was
Funny
That
You
Named
Off
All
Yahoo
Stuff
In
Like
Half
A
Second
Oh
Well
And
I
Was
Getting
To
I
Was
Getting
To
The
Microsoft
They
Have
Groups
As
Well
They
Have
Obviously
The
Hotmail
Account
They
Have
Games
Which
Yahoo
Has
They
Basically
Have
Everything
That
Yahoo
Has
They
Even
Just
Added
Recently
What
Do
They
Call
It
My
Spaces
Or
Something
Or
Yahoo
I
Sorry
Microsoft
Space
Spaces
Or
Something
Like
That
I
Just
Got
An
Email
And
Just
Tried
To
Set
One
Up
The
Other
Day
So
I
Don't
Know
Much
About
That
But
All
Of
It
Falls
Under
That
Single
Sign
In
Along
With
The
Email
So
They're
Hoping
To
Sell
You
On
The
Total
Package
And
We
Did
An
Episode
On
Single
Sign
In
A
While
Back
I
Don't
Know
The
Number
Offhand
I
Probably
If
I
Was
A
Good
Host
I
Would
Have
Looked
It
Up
Ahead
Of
Time
But
I'm
Not
So
Go
Check
That
One
Out
But
They're
Trying
To
So
Much
With
Gmail
So
Yahoo
Who
Was
At
100
Bumped
Up
To
250
Just
To
Keep
Pace
With
Microsoft
Announced
250
A
Long
Time
Ago
And
Never
Got
Around
To
Doing
It
So
Yahoo
Jumped
To
100
Yahoo
Stayed
At
10
I
Think
It
Was
Or
Two
Or
I
Forgot
What
They
Were
At
And
Then
Finally
Jumped
To
250
And
Now
Yahoo
Jumped
To
250
Quickly
Thereafter
So
They
Are
Just
Kind
Of
Staying
Together
And
Selling
The
Whole
Package
Do
You
Have
Yahoo
Accounts
And
Or
Passport
Accounts
Not
Since
We
Started
The
Hosting
Realistically
I
Do
Use
My
Mojo
Networks
Account
Solely
Now
That
Is
Exactly
What
This
Person
Is
Referring
To
Last
Week
I
Mentioned
That
I
Also
Am
Trying
To
Get
Away
From
Using
The
Hot
Mail
Account
A
Lot
Of
My
Art
Accounts
Used
The
Old
Hot
Mail
Address
On
Them
And
Stuff
Like
That
Because
I
Had
It
You
Know
Somewhat
An
Anonymous
Account
And
I
Won't
Go
Into
A
Tangent
On
How
There's
No
Such
Thing
As
An
Account
Anyway
I'm
Trying
To
Do
The
Same
Thing
I
Have
Full
Control
Of
The
Mail
Server
At
Stank
Dog
Dot
Com
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
Yada
Unlimited
Space
You
Know
So
It
Becomes
A
Non
Factor
A
Non
Issue
Plus
I
Control
The
Spam
And
All
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
So
I
Completely
Agree
With
What
You're
Saying
There
I
Wouldn't
Say
I
Control
The
Spam
Well
Nobody
Controls
Spam
Kingpin
Yeah
Nobody
Controls
Spam
There's
No
Doubt
About
That
But
You
Know
You
Have
Options
Like
For
Exam
Changing
The
Email
If
It
Gets
Spam
Too
Bad
You
Know
You're
Running
I
Assume
You're
Running
Spam
Assassin
Yeah
You know
Stuff
Like
That
So
That's
What
I
Mean
Since
I
Have
To
Say
Since
Hotmail
Bumped
Up
To
250
Which
Has
Been
About
Two
Weeks
Now
I
Was
Already
Getting
Quite
A
Bit
Of
Spam
But
I
Swear
To
You
It's
Increased
Since
They
Made
That
250
Bump
I
Think
They
Sold
The
Database
Of
Email
Addresses
Out
I'm
Suddenly
Getting
A
Lot
More
Than
I
Used
To
So
Great
I
Haven't
Used
My
Yahoo
In
Quite
A
While
So
Every
Once
I
I'll
Go
On
And
Check
It
But
It's
To
The
Point
That
There's
Like
4,000
Spam
Messages
In
There
Yeah
Through
That
It's
Kind
Of
Pointless
Absolutely
My
Yahoo
Is
So
Spammed
It's
Sick
It's
Just
Sick
But
Their
Spam
Filter
For
The
Most
Part
Catches
It
At
Least
And
Puts
It
In
The
Spam
Folder
So
Quite
A
Few
Still
Slips
Through
And
I
Train
It
Here
And
There
But
You
Know
For
The
Most
Part
It
Catches
A
Lot
More
Than
The
Hotmail
The
Hotmail
Account
Goes
Straight
To
The
Inbox
It
Does
Not
Filter
Them
Out
Properly
I
Tried
To
Go
Through
The
Training
Process
To
Mark
Them
As
Spam
And
Report
It
Doesn't
Help
Speaking
Of
Spam
I
Do
Have
To
Announce
This
I
Saw
One
Of
The
Most
Creative
Ways
To
Get
Spam
Through
A
Spam
Filter
The
Other
Day
I
Got
This
Email
All
It
Said
Enlarge
Your
Phallus
Can
You
Forward
That
To
Me
After
The
Show
By
The
Yeah
I
Didn't
Think
You
Needed
That
Are
You
Saying
Yeah
Are
You
Saying
That
The
Word
Phallus
Slipped
Through
Right
Because
They
Use
The
Scientific
Term
Instead
Of
Hmm
I
Would
Have
Thought
That
Would
Have
Been
Blocked
Too
Actually
The
Word
Enlarge
Your
Would
Have
Triggered
It
I
Would
Have
Thought
But
I
Don't
Know
I
Have
To
Look
At
This
Spam
Assassin
Breakdown
To
See
How
The
Points
Are
Signed
But
Anyway
That
Anyway
So
Let's
See
Did I
Cover
This
Fall
Wire
Oh
And
He
Mentioned
About
Talking
About
Gaming
And
Things
Like
That
So
I
Have
To
Also
Pimp
Our
Good
Friends
Over
At
Gamer
Radio
C4
Longtime
Friend
Of
The
Show
I
Been
On
That
On
Their
Show
At
Least
Once
Or
Twice
And
I
Like
To
Do
Some
More
Actually
I
Want
To
Talk
About
The
Nintendo
DS
I
Been
Playing
HWHQ
Hurricane
World
Headquarters
Dot
Com
HWHQ
Dot
Com
Every
Week
Gaming
Goodness
From
C4
And
The
Crew
So
Definitely
Check
Them
Out
Also
On
Rant
Radio
I
Believe
Saturday
Or
Sunday
On
The
Weekends
So
Definitely
Check
Them
Out
For
Gaming
Stuff
Alright
Let's
See
Letter
Number
I
I'm
Going
To
Do
My
David
Letterman
Letter
Number
Three
Or
Four
Five
I
Lost
Track
Um
This
Let's
See
Email
From
I'm
Going
To
Go
With
Youch
Y
A
U
C
H
Y
Some people
listeners got that
Some people probably didn't
Anyway I parsed through that
and made the proper replacement
Stankdog and Voodoo Hal
A while ago I was looking into different systems that offer free shell accounts
like HBX and the Death Row Cluster
I also found one for the AS400
Woot
You have to call them up and request an account
request an account
but other than that
it seems as though it's completely free
Do you know of any other sites offering free accounts on some of the older or more obscure OS's
For the record I'm an American living in southern Germany
I know how you like the concept of international listeners
Keep up the leet work of helping us all to truly
quote
get it
All right
I know you probably aren't too excited about the free AS400 shell
but to me that's leet
I think that's really really cool
The URL for that is
Let me find it
It is
www.texas400.com
That's
T-E-X-A-S
4-0-0
.com
slash
default
.html
I am definitely
Everybody
If you're interested in the 400
Check this out
Sign up for it
I have not myself
but I assume this is valid and true
Go check it out
and
play around on the AS400
Again
you can download my presentation
which is I think a good primer
on the AS400
to get you started
and talk about how to
you know
do some basic navigation
and then
how to kind of poke around on it
So
what was that cough?
Did you find a hooker?
Uh no
No
Unfortunately
I'm still looking
That was just a 32 degree weather cough?
Yeah
That was my feet are fucking freezing
Notice how I fit the fucking in there?
Yeah
Smurfing
The only thing I want to know
about the AS400 shells
is the phone call
It doesn't have to involve
you know
my name is Bob from Marketing
and I've lost my ID
does it?
I do not know
I guess we will find out
One of our listeners
there's your
that is the interactive portion
of the show
You guys try this
Let us know
what kind of luck you had
and if you actually get on
and use it
and see what you think of it
Honestly
this is a great way
to learn the system
it's such an
I won't say obscure system
but it's such a hard system
to get training on
Somebody emailed me
on a past episode
about a school
and I think it was in
Nevada
I think it was in Las Vegas
or something
that taught AS400
it's the only one
I'd ever heard of before
So this is really access
to something
that's very much
in demand
and in a lot of
big heavy metal shops
but it's very hard
to get experience on
so the opportunity
to have the shell
is really a whole lot
in my mind
cooler than having a shell
on any other box
because to me
having a Unix shell
somewhere is a dime a dozen
those aren't
really all that rare
you know
Well speaking of
and I can't believe
I forgot about this
I don't know
if you may remember this
but it was probably
last year
I had announced
that I had intentions
of setting up a Cisco lab
and having it free
for free access
to anyone who wanted it
I've finally gotten around
to doing that
it's a small lab
but if you want experience
on real Cisco hardware
I do have a lab available
the one warning
I will give you
is that I'm not
giving out that many
I'm not giving out
that much access
to people
I really don't know
if you're active
on the forums
you know
that's completely fine
but obviously
since it's
using minicom
to connect over serial
to these boxes
I can't really
there's going to be
a lot of conflict
for time
so
that's available
if you need access
to it
just email me
and do you want
to give out
an email address
or
stink dog
no
if they can't
figure out
how to email you
they can't have the show
oh no
I did want to tell you
one other thing
about this email
that he pointed out
and the fact that
it's
the foreign
not foreign listeners
but listeners
in other countries
that really is
a big deal to me
that
continually
blows my mind
I mean
if you put it
in perspective
I know it seems
silly
especially when we get
quite a lot more
than I ever thought
we have a lot of
international listeners
but that doesn't
make it any less
I don't know
special
I don't want to
make a big
I have a very special
episode of
Binary Revolution Radio
stank cries
it really is
it's really cool
to me
as an American
in the United States
of America
who doesn't get out
much
outside of the country
I've been all over
the United States
well the east coast
of the United States
and here I am
getting an email message
from another American
who's living in
southern Germany
who found
this little
pissant radio show
on the global
interweb
downloaded it
and listened to it
and emailed me
that
is just
mine
it just blows
my mind
it really does
do you realize
how
just elite
that is
could this have
been done
international superstar
could you
no
not that part
of it
could you
imagine this
five years ago
is not very long ago
five years ago
ten years ago
if it was not
first of all
we all know
the internet's
all that
the global interweb
but even
before the interweb
what are the chances
I'd ever speak
with anybody
in Germany
Germans don't
just randomly
call my house
and say
you know
whatever
and then when
the internet
first came up
yes it's always
been international
in so far as
that it's
accessible to anyone
with the proper
equipment
but
it was still
regionalized
people from
the United States
for the most part
communicated with
other people
from the United States
people from Europe
with other people
from Europe
etc etc
and I've been
in this
system
in this game
since the beginning
and I've watched
it evolve
to the point now
where you can be
carrying on
a complete conversation
with someone
from another culture
on another continent
another language
and
that's amazing
I stopped laughing
that is amazing
that really blows
my mind
and I do appreciate
all of our
international email
and international listeners
so
shouts globally
to everybody
out there listening
it's very cool
I wasn't listening
I wasn't laughing
at your moving moment
I was laughing
at the different
language thing
I sounded humorous
okay
well you know
we speak a different
language
we speak leet
with a little bit
of vul
I'll never speak
leet
with a little bit
of vulgarity
built in
I thought that was
part of the language
well yeah
actually
you know what
that's a very valid
point
but we won't go
into that tangent
either
that is a very
valid point
decoder
excuse me
sorry
some people just
have the word
built into their
vocabulary
decoder
and it's just
really hard
to get certain
words out of the
vocabulary
decoder
excuse me
had a little
cough there
I'm sorry
it's like
probably 70
something here
so it's kind
of chilly
you have to
excuse me
oh yeah
you might
catch a cold
there
alright
another email
this week
from Jason
and yes
that's a real
name I guess
dear Mr.
Stank Dog
that's kind of
cool
my friend
Raymond and I
were talking
the other day
and wondered
how news
groups work
anyone can
access them
via their
ISP
Google has
access
and everything
is synced
how the hell
does this
system work
we can
understand
how a
BBS works
but news
groups have
us both
baffled
as well as
the admins
that we've
asked
it would be
very interesting
if you could
do an episode
on this
subject
well
Jason
my friend
this episode
is for you
that is going
to be our
main topic
in a few
minutes
we're going
to do a
little bit
of show
and tell
here
and then
we'll
get into
that main
topic
and again
it's appropriate
that I'm
going into
my very
special episode
and reminiscing
on the early
days of the
global interweb
when it was
still the
global internews
and not the
global interweb
we didn't have
the web back
then
but anyway
we'll get to
that in a
minute
and one last
email
from OOB
out of bounds
no
just
I went into
this whole
thing before
about OOB
I didn't know
if I should
call him
oob
boob
boo
I don't
know
ok
here's the
official word
from OOB
himself
hey
stank
I have
never
ever watched
Dragon Ball Z
in my entire
life
what the hell
is that guy
about
anyway
thanks for
ripping off
my nick
and reading
my email
in that order
I really
don't know
what my
handle
stands for
but I
quite like
out of bounds
well anyway
just to
settle that
I love
your show
as always
OOB
or whatever
so there
you go
straight from
the horse's
mouth
there's no
Dragon Ball Z
the listener
said last week
that it was
a Dragon Ball Z
thing
South Africa
connection
something or
other
I don't
know
but
OOB
himself
says it's
just
OOB
it's just
that simple
sometimes a
cigar
is just
a cigar
name that
quote
and other
times it's
what
other times
it's a
sexual toy
but I think
that's only
if you're
president
anyway
I digress
show and
tell portion
of the
show
and I'm
going to
keep mine
super short
because I'm
actually ending
the show
we have a
big announcement
to end the
show today
and some
people have
probably got
an idea
what it is
I've dropped
a few hints
on the site
and forums
etc
but in
general
again
stankdog.com
I've kind of
updated
but so
many projects
that are all
coming to
fruition
right at the
same time
we've got so
many things
that are going
to be coming
over the next
couple months
starting with
one announcement
tonight that
is complete
we've got
another one
that's complete
that's going
to be announced
here in the
next couple
months
another one
at the beginning
of the year
before that
one
there's a lot
of stuff
that's about
to drop
stuff that I'm
very proud of
that we've put
a lot of time
in worked with
a lot of
people on
and I'm
just going
to announce
a one by
one when
the time
is right
so
we'll hold
off till the
end of the
show to announce
the one
for this
week
which is
our
Christmas
present to
everyone
long overdue
Christmas
present to
everyone
so that's
all I'm
going to
talk about
this week
how about
you
it's been
a while
since you've
been on
the show
what kind
of good
stuff have
you been
working on
oh
again
this is
why I'm
the most
boring
guest host
now
not too much
at all
new job
mostly
letting real
life take
over
working on
a few
small
projects
here and
there
got to do
a pen
test the
other day
on our
corporate
network
that was
fun
that went
well I
heard
yeah very
well
wait which
direction
went well
for who
good as
in good
or bad
as in good
I'm confused
now
but that's
pretty much
it working
on a few
scripts here
and there
nothing special
at all
you're doing
some VoIP
stuff weren't
you had you
been tinkering
I haven't
really worked
on it in a
while after I
got everything
in place
well you were
setting up
a redirector
for me
a forwarder
for me
oh yeah
at one point
I'll talk
about that
one later
alright well
that's good
let's make
this short
and sweet
and move
on to
talking about
exactly
exactly what
our friend
Jason there
had requested
and that is
Usenet
or newsgroups
as he put it
which is
let's call it
what it is
and that is
Usenet
it's more
commonly referred
to
which contains
newsgroups
so
interchangeable
for the most
part
semantics
but Usenet
is really
the proper term
if you want
to do some
googling
Usenet
dot org
I don't
it's actually
kind of interesting
I don't think
that site
is still up
I tried to go
check it out
to confirm
a couple things
for this episode
and it was not
working
I was redirected
to a resale site
so I don't know
if they're down
or how long
they've been down
but you can do
some searching
on Usenet
and find some
of the RFCs
some of the
standards
and stuff like that
and we're going
to talk about that
because the standards
for Usenet
let's see
what's the best
what's the best way
how should we start
this
we should off
with like a
little bit of
history first
sure
yeah
because I kind
of started it
a minute ago
see
I did start
using the internet
back in the 80's
a couple decades
ago
what was that
I was just
going to make
a before Christ
comment
I was waiting
for the age joke
that's why I
hesitated
wait for the
old guy joke
yeah
two full decades
ago
back in the 80's
late 80's
give me a little
bit of credit
when I first
started using
the internet
and everything
that I did
back then
was
well not everything
but most things
were Usenet
of course
Telnet
a little bit
of email
but even that
wasn't really
didn't really
have a whole lot
of need for it
then
except communicating
with people
I met on Usenet
or something
like that
mostly I spent
all day browsing
news groups
and reading
and learning
and
it
really
has just
become one
of the lost
features
of the internet
it's right
I mean
just like
Archie and
Veronica
do you remember
those
or is that
also dating
me
you mean
the comic
book
no not
the comic
book
the tools
that were
named
for their
comic book
counterparts
not a clue
no
okay
well
they were
some
searching
tools
and browsing
tools
I guess
for lack
of a better
term
I remember
Gopher
yeah
it was
yeah
a long time
ago in a galaxy
far
well not
no actually
in the same
galaxy I guess
but the web
browser was not
invented
and I know
this
god this
really makes
me sound
old
but it's
true
there was
no web
browser
when Mosaic
1 came
out
it was
just a
whole new
world
it was
like the
most exciting
thing
because
everybody
knew
I was
in college
and all
of my
my
my fellow
students and
I the computer
science we were
all just
we all knew
right away that
it was going to
change the world
I mean it was
undoubtable
when
when Mosaic
first came out
and obviously
it did
but before that
was Usenet
and there still
is Usenet
right now
but it's
just not
what it used
to be
so a little
bit of history
first of all
yes I would
browse the news
groups
and the
first time
actually that I
had ever seen
or saw
I don't know
what the proper
grammar is here
for Juarez
for our Spanish
our long time
listeners we know
we call it
Juarez
or Wares
if you prefer
Juarez
that's my
joke
was on
Usenet
back then
you saw
I won't say
a lot of
Wares but
that's where it
first started
in my opinion
the first time
I ever saw
anything
and it wasn't
always Wares
like copyright
violations and
stuff like that
it didn't start
off always that
it was sharing
files and
sending binaries
back and forth
to each other
you know
projects that we
were working on
as students
you know
working with
people at
other universities
things like
that
it was very
much like
email
and people
even to this
day don't
understand when
they send an
attachment
through email
that it's not
really
that there's an
encoding and
decoding process
that takes place
in that transaction
so back then it
was the same
way you could
send a binary
we'll call it
attachment for
lack of a better
word but
basically if you
had a binary
file that you
wanted to send
to somebody
you couldn't
upload binary
files to
usenet
the NMTP
protocol did
not allow
that it was
all text
based so
what you would
do was have
to take that
file and you'd
have to use
good old
fashioned
UU encode
which is
Unix to
Unix encoding
I don't know
if I
I don't want
to talk down
too much
is that too
should we
assume people
know UU
encode
I think
would be a
safe assumption
hopefully
oh well
if you know
what now
I'll just
I'll be
simple
I'll explain
everything
the UU
encoding
will take
a binary
file and
convert it
into an
ASCII file
now it's
going to be
all gibberish
you know
you're not
going to be
able to
read it
it's going
to translate
the characters
and I'm not
going to go
into a lesson
on how many
bits in a
byte and how
the binary
files get
translated into
the ASCII
code but
basically you're
putting this
file with some
header information
and a footer
information that
tells the file
how it was
encoded
what it was
encoded with
there were
wars back
then on
UU encoded
versus MIME
encoding
I don't know
if you remember
if you were
around back
then either
nope
I don't think I
was born yet
I am so old
you're killing
me here
but anyway
what you ended
up doing with
that is
turning your
binary file
into a text
file for a
short version
posting it up
to Usenet
or emailing it
to someone
which is still
what happens
to this day
and then on
the other end
they would
recognize from
looking at the
headers what
kind of encoding
you had used
and it was
pretty standard
that it was
UU encode
UUD code
to get this
back into a
binary file
and that was
where wars
first took off
and I truly
believe this
wars is what
caused Usenet
to blow up
for lack of
but to use
some slang
to increase
its usage
to phenomenal
levels
and drove
the growth
of the internet
it really was
not only
wars
but wars
fell under
a whole new
group
let me check
the time
here to make
sure I'm not
droning on
okay yeah
we got good
time
uh oh
I have a
call coming
in and that's
a really bad
radio so I'm
just going to
talk right
over the beep
when it happens
are you still
there
yeah I'm here
alright
the listeners
you're going to
have to hear
that beep
for a couple
times because
I'm not going
to go over
and answer
decoder's call
he should know
that I'm
recording the show
anyway
decoder if you're
listening to this
episode of the
show right now
episode 74
you just
fuck sword my
show
oh come on
you should let
him on
yeah actually
I can three
weigh him now
with my VoIP
goodness
do it
nah he already
hung up now
that's alright
um anyway
where was I
oh okay so
wares which is
one of the
things that
that increased
the growth of
usenet and the
internet in general
was under a
hierarchy called
alt for
alternative is
what it was
called and alt
was really
the driving
force behind
usenet as
well
usenet originally
started with
eight categories
or nodes I
would call
them um
of topics
and there were
topics like
talk for
general discussion
and talking
obviously
sci sci for
science
rec for
recreational
things
and it's
basically like
I mean you
can almost
think of it
like a good
old fashioned
cork board
bulletin board
where people
could go up
and post
you know hey
I need somebody
to play
racquetball with
this weekend
or whatever
and somebody
will post
under it
hey I'm
available
here's my
cell number
call me
etc
and you'd
post behind
people
well obviously
when you're
on the
internet
and you got
a lot more
than a couple
people you need
a better way
to do it
and a technical
solution
and that's
what usenet was
you could have
lots of
different posts
and lots of
different people
replying to
them
and they
tried to
keep them
organized by
putting them
in subjects
or topics
like science
and recreation
so there
really were
categories like
rec.baseball
where people
would talk about
baseball
whether it was
their local
teams
their college
teams
or high school
strategy
discussions
players
coaches
etc
would go in
there and
discuss this
kind of stuff
and it's a
very valid
and very useful
place for people
to communicate
about a topic
that they had
in common
and you could
take those
categories and
break them
down
for example
rec.baseball
could be
broken down
subsequently into
rec.baseball.chicago
cubs
rec.baseball.newyorkyankiesuck
things like that
so you could
break those
down further
and try to
keep it
organized
and that's
what usenet
started off
with very
very good
intentions
and then
alt came
along
now alt
was great
because
in the
eight
hierarchies
in the
eight nodes
that it
came with
there was
no place
for hackers
there was
no place
for wares
there was
no place
for prawn
there was
no place
for anything
and you know
as soon as
people found
out you could
put binaries
on there
by encoding
them
out came
the pervs
you know
so prawn
is another
thing that
drove it
and they
didn't have
a place
to put it
thank god
yes
I've said
all along
that if it
wasn't for
porn
the internet
would not
be what it
is today
take that
for what it
is
good
bad
or indifferent
porn
drove
the internet
it truly
did
porn
drove
usenet
and under
those alt
hierarchies
there was a
group called
alt.binaries
there was a
catch all
for anything
binary related
you usually
put it there
out of courtesy
instead of
in the
individual
like in
the
rec.baseball.cubs
you wanted to
put up a picture
of
I don't know
back then
probably
Andre Dawson
but you didn't
put it in
the rec
news group
you go put
it in the
binaries
just out of
courtesy
and the
reason is
because
since it
was a
binary file
it tended
to be
larger
and back
then we
were on
very slow
dial up
so when you
connect and
want to read
messages that
was mostly
text and
communication and
talking
you didn't
want to have
to be forced
to download
this giant
file
well the
same thing
happened with
the alt
where they
start breaking
down these
categories
you'd have
alt.binaries
.baseball
pictures
alt.binary
.photography
.flowers
or whatever
your choice
of interest
was and
inevitably
you had
the alt.binaries
.erotica
which is the
nice way of
saying prawn
and those
news groups
instantly
became the
most heavily
trafficked
areas of
usenet
it also
became the
place
alt that is
where hackers
started to
hang out
because we
didn't fit in
other categories
and alt.2600
came into being
alt.hacker
the hacker's
connection to
porn
yeah exactly
if you get
all your
hacking and
porn in
one place
and back
then because
it was new
because it was
people with
common interests
and using
something the
way it was
intended to
be used
life was
good
things were
good
and there
were some
really really
brilliant people
a lot of
great communication
you learned a
lot
articles were
posted here
and this was
post BBS
days
well actually
kind of
in sequence
along the same
times there
were still
BBS's going
on but this
was the onset
of the death
of the BBS
and I'm sure
Jason Scott
would probably
agree with me
on that
you would find
tons of
great text
files
news group
posts etc
etc out in
these alt
hacking groups
and yeah
prawn out in
the binaries
groups
where's
music
anything you
could imagine
it was
everything and
anything and
people were
flocking to
it like it
was just a
mecca it
was just a
place where
everybody was
like wow
this is
collaborating with
people on the
internet in
groups with
common interests
this is the
next stage in
human evolution
communicating with
no borders
but that was
then as it
turns now as
it turns out
usenet was
the first
casualty of
the spam
wars and
I'm just
going to take
just 10
seconds I'm
going to have
a moment of
silence for
usenet
all right I
don't know if
that was 10
but I lost
count
I had to
fight the
urge to
just yell
porn as
loudly as I
could
yeah I can't
count to 10
it's difficult
for me
but the
problem with
usenet
unfortunately is
as great a
tool as it
was it was
naive in
its application
they assumed
that the
people using
usenet were
good people
who had the
intention of
collaborating working
with people and
using it as it
was intended and
we all know that
spammers are good
for nothing worthless
scum of the earth
bastards and the
spammers came in
there and again it
started with the
prawn they would
start posting their
prawn pictures out
there with their
website links all
over it and stuff
like that and
mixing it in with
all the other
posts that were
out there
now it wasn't
too awful bad in
the beginning it
was of course
nobody likes
nobody likes to
spam but they
were at least
keeping within the
guidelines of
posting it where
it should be in
the alt.binaries.erotic
or whatever so it
wasn't so bad but
then the competition
became so great with
all these spammers
trying to drive
people to their
now burgeoning
websites and again
porn helped the
internet grow
and helped the
world wide web
grow competition
got so strong that
they stopped
respecting the
courtesy of
usenet and
started posting in
inappropriate places
they were posting
the prawn pics
the prawn spam
pics in the
baseball pictures
news groups or
not even in the
alt.binaries
news groups at
all but in the
rec.baseball or
rec.whatever so
here you are
people that are
trying to connect
there was a
comp c-o-m-p
where you could
have support for
computers there
was one for
almost every
language you can
imagine there was
comp.c++ where you
could compare code
and stuff like that
now all of a sudden
you've got these
spammers sticking in
ads for their
website pictures of
prawn which were
forced to download
on dial-up because
you can't really
control a whole lot
of it back then
yeah the internet
was slow with the
Pony Express web
right?
yeah exactly it was
very hard when you
had to you know go
out there and draw
your posts in the
sand and it just
didn't really it was
it was pretty much
you knew right away
that it was not
going to last it was
dead in the water by
architecture and we're
going to talk about
that in just a second
some of that
architecture which I
think is really what
they want to hear
more of and also I
in my article Pimp
Pimp I had an
article in 2600 I
don't know how long
ago a while back
called the history of
elite speak and there
were some reference
in references in that
article about how
they tried there were
some attempt at
filtering spam and not
only spam but anything
they considered unwanted
and hackers were
considered unwanted
back then and how
they tried to filter
out keywords and
filter out certain
addresses well we all
know how easy it is to
spoof addresses
especially back then
and spoof different
IP addresses spoof
different email
addresses misspell
words which are the
same tactics used in
email spam today
slightly misspelling
words things like
that so go back and
read that history of
elite speak article and
maybe some of that will
be a little bit more
understandable now that
you've heard some of
the history but again
on to some of the
technical aspects of
using it which I think
it really is what people
are more interested in
hearing
use net uses a protocol
called NNTP that well
I'm going to focus on
that one anyway we could
go we could debate that
there's other things but
back then it was NNTP and
the thing about NNTP which
of course is net news
transfer protocol NNTP is
very very similar to SMTP
which of course voodoo how
is the send mail transfer
protocol I think you
I think you just cut out
on me right when I was
talking so but SMTP very
similar to NNTP in the way
that they work as far as
formatting of data and
packets etc like and this is
also the same reason that
many of your email clients
also display news groups
so because they're so
similar they're able to
interpret the code the
same way the difference
really is that an email is
sent to one destination
one email address that gets
routed around to that
individual person
news groups are a
decentralized system where
when you make a post to a
news group you are submitting
that post to whatever your
local news server is
and many servers will carry
many many different groups
and there are a lot a lot of
groups in each group and I'm
using the term group because
it's common but they're
actually called news feeds if
you want to get technical and
then post within those groups
so each one of these is
uniquely identified the
servers a usenet server and
NNTP server they all
communicated with each other
and this is years before peer
to peer and file sharing was
ever thought of this is a
decentralized system from the
get-go the servers communicate
with each other obviously based
on their settings they can be
customized etc etc but I guess the
most simple way to explain it is
that each server had one well let's
think of it as a big text file a big
database of all the posts that it is
aware of so if I post to my new
server a new post that says hey does
anybody know why Java sucks and of
course voodoo hal is up at his house and
he sees that post and thinks I'm a
complete dick for posting that and I
post that it goes to my new server now
my new server communicates with all the
other new servers out there and you can
still set one up to this day you can
still get software to do that but
these new servers communicate with
each other and basically compare
files or compare databases to see hey
do you have anything I don't have do
you have anything I don't have and a
hand back and forth and synchronize with
each other and these obviously the
settings to control this you can have
them set up every minute every hour
every 15 minutes once a day once a
month however often you want it to
update because as you can imagine as
you get more and more users the posts
are more and more frequent and you got
a lot of maintenance to do and a lot of
big file size and that became a factor
as well but because people are because
usenet is growing and more people are
posting this became a constant process
constant ongoing thing posts being made
continuously and these new posts have to
be seen by the other servers to be
picked up so my new post is seen on my
local new server and not until my server
and voodoo howl server we're making
these up of course because voodoo howl
didn't have the interweb on his play
school computer back then I got a young
joke you can give me the old jokes but
I get the young jokes too yeah I'm still
winning that yeah I think I'm always
going to lose that bad but hey
whatever so our two servers communicate
and his server says hey I've got five
posts that you don't have why don't you
get a copy of them and it does that and
at the same time mine will say hey I've
got one new post from this guy who
thinks Java sucks why don't you put it in
your database and because the you threads
are uniquely identified and the posts are
uniquely identified it knows exactly where
in the database to put it or where in the
text file again to say to simplify that's
all it really was a plain text file and
voodoo howl on his client end clicks the
update button on his client and notices
that some schmuck has posted a thing
about how Java sucks and that's the
process fundamentally that is the
simplified process of how it works and
obviously when he replies to that and
says oh I don't know voodoo howl let me
set you up for a free swing here
replies to my post with something witty
like unfortunately I can't be witty when
I need to be service at the inopportune
moment serviced by a prostitute am I did
you know no no unfortunately all right
keep trying we're still on location we're
still out there trying to get this done
somebody I can't I can't believe somebody
hasn't started a prawn radio show yet
actually but anyway yeah back to the
back to the NNTP obviously when you got
this huge this huge text file this huge
database there are literally the number
of groups news groups is in the hundreds
of thousands truly it just grew to
ridiculous proportions and it's impossible
to read all of them so the server picks
them all up or as many as they've
configured it to pick up and you on the
client end you only subscribe to the
ones that you apply to so voodoo howl and
I both subscribe to the Java news group
for whatever reasons and God's name you
would post Java sucks to do a Java news
group I'll never know because I'm and
that that is the word and I see people
use this troll this word today and they
don't know the origins of it this is
where the word troll came from people
would troll the news groups for the
simple fact to be a complete dick that's
where the word troll comes from they
would troll and that's a fishing term for
those of you might not know not fishing
pH but fishing like is in fly fishing in
the river you would troll for fish you
could troll for catfish you can troll and
drag your line along behind the boat
hoping that something bites and that's
what trolls would do you think visually the
green ugly monster troll which also fits
but trolling to get people pissed off so
people like me well not me but okay
people like me in this example anyway I
go into that news group my whole point is
just to piss somebody off and voodoo howl
took the bait and that's where the flame
wars came from flames came out of nowhere
flames the same thing that destroys forums
as we have seen as much as we try to keep
them in check back then was when flame
wars originated that's where the term
flaming started because people would get
caught up by these trolls started into a
big argument people get brave behind the
keyboard behind their screens etc etc etc but
anyway because of this giant file size you
had to break these up into readable portions
and portions that people were interested in
some people I can't understand it but
some people didn't want to see the porn I
don't know why I mean there could have been
abnormal I can't explain why but some
people bring about the entire beauty of
NNTA computers automatically transferring
porn for you oh it's a beauty see the
bonus thing I got the new Paris Hilton video
do you need it sure yeah all completely
automated and computing well and you know
there was there was one really bad drawback
and I'm only gonna throw this out there
because you know it's part of the history
it's part of the facts another thing that
killed newsgroups was legal truly illegal
content and I'm not not necessarily
hacking and not necessarily wares although
a lot of wares would fall into that but
prawn there was a lot of prawn back then
that was not something you wanted to see
there still is today I'm sure but back
then when you have this unmoderated system
where anybody could put it anywhere yes
it became trolling by posting nasty text
messages like Java sucks was one thing but
that wasn't good enough for people they
started posting I'll just phrase it by
saying very bad prawn weightlifter yeah no
I'm thinking more like you know dogs cats
kids whatever and they would post them into
your rec baseball news group and that was
highly inappropriate and there wasn't much
of a solution for it because it was
generally an unmoderated system now they
added moderation into it but it was it was
too late though it was it was the war was
over the war the war was lost but anyway yeah
downloading all these all this data is
there but you have to have a way to
navigate and read it and that's what a news
reader or a news client would do you could
get a list of all the news groups from the
server just the names themselves alt dot
binaries dot prawn alt dot binaries dot
baseball pictures alt dot whatever your
whatever your interest happened to be and
you could do you know browse through those
topics that interested you by some by just
subscribing to those groups so let me see
how long we have left in the show I don't
want to spend too long on this oh okay I
still got some good time I'm going to try
to speed up through this because I still
got a lot of stuff I wanted to talk about
it this is a very big topic and I live
through it so y'all I hope you guys if I'm
boring some of you I hope I apologize in
advance but your client you don't want to
subscribe to everything out there there's
too much data out there we're talking
gigabytes back then which was a lot
terabytes now and that's another thing
that killed using that nobody had the
space to run a server anymore those
binaries started to add up when cds when
software started to be released on cds and
you had 600 meg image files or zip files
multi span zips and rars and arcs and lza
every compression you can imagine being
used people didn't have the storage space
on the servers to carry them so some of
them don't carry all groups so anyway
that's a lot of extra history stuff but
again the technical aspect you need a
client to be able to read all of those
groups so you subscribe to the ones that
interest you read them again all was well
with the world everything was great but
because again it was like email every
post that you made could be traced could
be tracked just like an email you can see
the headers of your post I can see when
voodoo how would look at the post I
described earlier he would see that it
was posted to this account to this
server excuse me to this server you
probably from my email address back then
we weren't as security minded I'll be
frank about that you know that's a big
mistake in the early days of the
internet but a lot of it was spoofed a
lot of it was faked but same thing holds
true with email so anyway I don't even
want to get into the possibility of
spoofing that's a whole different
topic but generally like email you
could see where everything was coming
from and track a lot of stuff back
through the headers so if I haven't
completely bored you to sleep this leads
to the next question it's 32 degrees
you're not asleep you're frozen what if
somebody wanted to write a news group
reader it's not really as difficult as
it might sound it's not easy by any
means but if you have some programming
knowledge first of all obviously you
need to read the specs you have to read
about the NNTP standards and again I
mentioned they're very similar to email
you just have to know what commands
will do what on that server and those
are easily found find the RFCs you can
find that information somewhere I'll try
to find a link for the show notes like I
said use net.org is down so but standards
I should have done that research as
well shouldn't I have Mr. Smartass
I'll pick it up but my ass is freezing
right now
the standards exist I mean it would be
difficult for me to start reading off
the commands and gibberish on the radio
show anyway so if you really want to
follow up on that you can go out there
and google and find some of that
information but let's make up a simple
example you know let's say I don't know
how many other listeners might be
available with the SMTP about the hello
and receipt to and and the commands but
basically when you connect to the server
you will issue a command to the server
the server will interpret it and give you
the results that it's programmed to
return to you so let's make I'm going to
make up an example and say that it's
just the word get let's say that the
way NNTP is set up that all you have to
do is send the word get space and then
the name of the news group and let's
say alt dot rec not let's say rec dot
baseball and then another keyword like
headers or maybe an actual post number
that you pass to it there is some
standard and you just have to look it
up and when you write a client you
simply have to connect to that server
issue that command the data will be
returned to you and you can display
that on the screen and the very
fundamental simplified terms that is
not all that difficult writing a mail
client fundamentally is not that
writing a good one is a whole different
story all together with all of the
threads out there and all of the posts
that are out there you have to figure
out a way to organize them in a way
such as in a way that would make them
useful and that's the difficult part but
the actual connecting and getting of the
data when you click on the post like
when voodoo house sees my post he
clicks the button says ok the subject
line looks interesting it doesn't
retrieve the text by default because
again if it retrieves all the text and
all the attachments it's you know you
might as well be running a server it's
downloading everything you download the
headers that you download the name of
the groups that you're interested in
subscribe to them and then you get a
list of the headers that have been
posted in that group and then you click
on that to get the actual body of the
particular post that you want to read
so as long as you know that command you
send it to the server you get that
text back and you display it on the
screen no different than reading to and
from a local database or any other
local server that you may be running so
if you already know how to do something
like that it's not a big transition to
write a newsreader or anything else that
communicates to a server like that is
that is that oversimplifying do you think
or is that all but also don't forget
to use Java yeah it's I'm oversimplifying
the description of it but I do not want
to lessen the I don't want to talk it
down like it's easy it's not but
concept not not necessarily easy most all
plain text protocols are fairly simple
and I think that was a great description
of it right yeah there's you don't have
to worry about any of the decrypting
encoding decoding etc although some of the
better news groups back in the day it
was Forte not Forte Java for Java but
it was a Forte reader free see Forte
there was free agent free agent news
reader gosh there were several Outlook
Express had a built-in news reader most
more recently and there are still tons of
Linux readers etc etc so you can go check
those out too but they have built-in
ways that make it easier to browse and
easier to download and in today's day of
higher bandwidth that solved the problem
of of file size and data capacity but you
will still to this day quite frankly find
that there is still way to too much data
out there that even the largest servers
the largest servers that we have today can't
hold the terabytes and terabytes and terabytes of
information that's out there so even if you go to a
place like Google Groups okay and this is a good
way to check out Usenet today Google Groups they
basically are giving you a web interface which is no
different than just a normal Usenet client news
reader client whatever you want to call it no
different than than writing one and a local
application on your system it's just using a web
interface and all that Google is doing is
behind the scenes interfacing with that same
NNTP server getting whatever it is you request it
when you drill down through what news group you
want what post you want but even Google as big as
they are and offering one gigabyte of space
ironically they do not hold the attachments in
any of the binary groups news groups did you know
that not at all you go down to those binaries and
you can see the post itself in the header but
it'll say post removed and the reason is ironically
the disk space that it would take up because see
what what happened is after a while people gave up
on Usenet because of the spam problem and the legal
issues etc and a company it was Dejan News I believe
it was Dejan News dot com later became Deja dot com
they built a historical database of all of the
Usenet postings that they could get their hands on
they took every server all of the posts that were
stored on that server that they could find and put
them into one big database that you could search on
the web with a web interface long story short Google
bought them out and that is what became Google servers
Google took that historical database combined it with the
current state of Usenet which again still exists you can go
out there and find open new servers still to this day and
use a client to browse with them again Microsoft Outlook if
you feel so inclined or whatever and Google posts to and
from that just like any other client so the easiest way if I
wanted to recommend somebody now would be to simply use Google
because you have historical back data as well as up to date
data but you don't get attachments if you want binaries and you want the
prawn and you want the what is and the mp3s and whatever else find a real
new server and you can still find a lot of that stuff out there it still
exists but boy is it spammed all to hell really I mean it was destroyed it was
destroyed and it's a shame and I said this before now forums web forums have
taken the place of what Usenet used to be they're doing the same thing threads
forums posts sub posts attachments etc however they're modified and controlled
they can be modified and controlled not ours by God we all know that ours are gone
straight to hell because of a few people but actually they've gotten better
lately since some people have cleared out but that's neither here nor there so
forums operate very much like Usenet did in the day it's just that forums are
obviously an application solution built on top of well the world wide web built on
top of HTTP it's all application based solution instead of a protocol solution
so that is pretty much all I can say about Usenet it probably like I said bored
everybody the tears far too much but again you can go to Google and find just
about anything you want content wise just not binaries if you do want binaries
well go to Google still but search for free news servers or public news servers
publicly available you know Google a little bit and you'll find some servers that carry
a lot of that stuff some of those servers only carry like for example a server in China
might only carry the Chinese spoken Chinese language groups you know it makes sense it may
be publicly available but what good is it to me unless I don't know I guess there might
be Chinese porn groups out there oh God who knows hey whatever you're into you know
so that's about it I mean it's a shame that we had such a great resource so many good things
that you could do with it kind of communicating like I said so much that I learned so much
information shared on the hacking news groups back then and freely freely shared back and forth
text files posted BBS post text files and stuff were nothing compared to the amount of data that
was being spread back and forth over Usenet you saw all of the text files from the BBS's as well as
new stuff so as you can imagine there was a lot of great information people are working on projects
passing source code back and forth plain text or zipped up configuration files zip files whatever
and password protected things I mean it was it was a lot of it was a lot of good stuff and I'm frankly
sad to see it see it go and then the revolutionary war occurred and all was lost yeah too far back
my bad this is this is a sad episode of binary revolution radio stank dog is sad oh but I guess
there's still porn out trust me well yeah oh yeah there's no doubt there's still plenty of porn
for everybody all the porn you can eat that just it moved to the web they just destroyed Usenet in
its wake that's all but actually that's not true there are you don't I don't want you to I don't want
anybody to think that it's gone dead or forgotten there's still people using it there's still a lot
of cool stuff it's gotten a little bit better finally the spammers have left because they don't think
there's people still active on it and there's not a you know it's not worth going to anymore
so some of the spammers have left and they're only working on the web because there's so much bigger
audience it's not worth the time and hassle so you can still go out there and there's still a lot of
great information out there I know lucky 225 I know he posts out there on occasion some of the freaking
hacking groups are still out there I almost said forums but the hacking groups are out there the
hacking news feeds I should say whatever um so you can still go out there and search for some
things and and still learn and find some good information but it's not the same as it used to
be all right well mr voodoo how all right I spoke I spoke in the entire show now it's your turn go
ahead talk all right um well that's about it all right that's speaking of foreign time for the big
announcement oh the big announcement yeah yeah boy I feel bad I did five nude bin rev calendar should
be available soon oh starring yours truly as mr december with my stocking filled
and the candy can't oh never mind that's just wrong I didn't even mean to plant that visual in
everybody's head actually I feel I did do way too much talking on this episode I completely talked
you under the under the blanket on this one well we'll we'll do another one next time and you'll do
all the talking how about that all right oh yeah Java episode how about that oh that's so mean
please don't make me do that actually in one episode we've lost 99.7 percent of our listener
base no I was gonna say actually that probably would be a good topic truthfully a lot of people
would probably like that and I know I would learn a lot from it because my experience has not been
good as you're well aware maybe you could convince me I'll ask some some noob questions and I think that
would be a good we're gonna put that we're gonna put that on our to-do list all right I'm taking my
make-believe pen and writing on my make-believe pad my make-believe to-do list I'll forget I already
forgot about it not maybe one day um yeah we do have our big announcement actually let's do shouts
let's do shouts first I just have a couple quick ones to el diablo and el gato to rim uh and to
black ratchet again thanks for co-hosting with me black ratchet um and voodoo how what do you got
uh my shouts go out to the salvation army santa claus oh man god ring your bells my brothers ring
your bell ring it play that funky music white boy um and email us of course radio at binrev.com
oh man I should have picked some christmas music to close this out I really didn't think ahead for
this this issue I was doing all my research on on usenet and typing up the notes for usenet I should
have done some actual posting I should have done a proper job of uh managing the show but oh well
radio at binrev.com our closing music tonight is not anything remotely close to christmas music
it's uh from leroy smokes it's called lo-fi and it's a christmas song um well one announcement I'm
going to say first is that I'm probably going to be taking some time off sometime towards the beginning
of the year january february I need a break I need some time off I've got some personal things to deal
with that are really starting to weigh on me and catch up so stay tuned for more details on that I
don't know if we're going on hiatus I don't know if we're going to have uh others people host it which
is what I would really like to do um if somebody could take over hosting for a month or two um that
would be great I'm going to try to work that out but sometime in the beginning of oh five we are
going to have to take a little bit of time off so I can take care of my business um however I'm not
going to end on that sad note we're going to end on a very happy note a long overdue happy note
next week shut up next week of course I'm like I said I'm going to try to do the telephonic
craptacular but that is not the christmas present the christmas present from us to you this year
is finally to announce that dvp hack radio is ready for action really this time it is fully functional
the admin module is done and I have to give huge shouts not only to voodoo how but also to nick 84
between the two of these guys got it set up I'm blowing smoke up your ass I don't care
got this thing set up configured all the scripts written um nick working on the admin side of
things and helping tweak and customize some stuff here lately fantastic job within all of my you know
I'm back here cracking the whip going no no it has to be like this no no we have to do that
and damn it they just shout cast iced cast everything we tried they don't do what we need
them to do so we really had to write a complete in-house solution for this and that's not as
easy as it sounds I'd rather write a news group reader all right no I wouldn't actually not in
job anyway so that is our christmas present to you um the website is updated by the time you read this
with the new um the new uh what do you call it url the new playlist whatever um so that's right on the
front page now the new playlist is there as you listen to this and I have emailed all of our djs and
all the shows um with their information on how to connect and stream and upload their shows give us a
little time for them to get the hang of that as I work with them make sure everybody's on the same page
as that but you can take a look at the schedule on the radio.binrev.com see how the schedule is right
now and again that's going to be a work in progress as we start finalizing who still ends who's still
out I know some people might not still be able to do it or some of the shows have disappeared since
we started this project and for that I truly apologize but we now are up and running so check that
out and that's going to do it for me stank dog and my partner in crime voodoo how we're going to tell
everybody that we will see them next year same hack time same hack channel
don't cry
when you're low-fi world it won't fly just try respect the most high whichever title he goes by
don't cry
when you're low-fi world it won't fly just try respect the most high whichever title he goes by
no i'm not new to this most emcees are claiming who the ruler is and some is ludicrous i'm trying to get down to the root of just why the people don't listen they just lie and geeking for their product like a dust pie all tough guys with rough lives whose eyes get white
beating in their lives listening to tales of jails and homicides i promise i'd never represent those claiming fake sex i see diamonds and shiny things but haven't took the bait yet we haven't even got to take a nibble off the cake yet and probably haven't started playing off our own mistakes yet
we make shift in low-fi but spending most my time all shaping ideas with the guys post-bind unsigned uncertain unconfined but cursing these times turn on the tv all you see is diseased minds i'm not crying about it i'm also not lying about it
it's only how it is because we allow it
don't cry
when you're low-fi world it won't fly
just try respect the most high
whichever title he goes by
don't cry
when you're low-fi world it won't fly
just try respect the most high
whichever title he goes by
And he goes by.
Reflecting moments from my life.
The most respect is stolen.
I'll let you roam up in my files.
Before I read you.
Call me zinc.
Those dollies.
Heavy like metal.
Like you think.
Get out of my life.
No metal smoking.
Drink.
Gotta keep the balance in the middle.
Sometimes you think.
That I'm at the brink.
So I'll sit and stay.
Don't even blink.
Cause you might miss the best yet.
Instead of ink.
I'm using bottles of Moet.
Two dreams I slink.
Leaving MCs that wet.
By the way you think.
You're awake and blink.
And that's my best bet.
Don't cry.
When you love our world, it won't fly.
Just drive or stay.
Don't hide.
Whichever title he goes by.
Don't cry.
When you love our world, it won't fly.
Just drive or stay.
Don't move high.
Whichever title he goes by.
Don't cry.