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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
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I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast
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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
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Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
I am StankDawg, today is January 11th, 2005
Coming to you on another Tuesday
Episode 78, did I say that already? 78
Of Binary Revolution Radio
And tonight is going to be a really, really great episode
That I'm looking forward to personally
I'm going to learn something
I know a lot of the listeners might not think that's possible
Cause I'm a little bit slow
But I'm going to learn something by the end of this
Cause I'm going to ask the most baseline questions
To my co-host tonight
The code expert herself
Ilanka
Thank you for being on the show Ilanka
And welcome
Hi, glad to be here co-hosting tonight
Ilanka of course is the famous cryptography expert
If you will
For her work on cryptos
And the Cyrillic projector being the most noteworthy
And presented at DEFCON
And things like that
And we actually are going to burn through
Some emails here quickly
Off the top
Some housekeeping stuff
So that we can get into my questions
Because I've got a lot of them
Quite frankly
This is a topic that I freely admit
That I do not know much about
I know what I've read
And I can speak about
What things I've heard in the news
And what breakthroughs
And things like that
But if you set something in front of me
And said here figure this out
I would just stare at you
Like I was
Like I did
You know
Probably the ugliest blank stare
You've ever seen in your life
I do a lot of that myself
So don't feel bad
Okay
Alright well then
Let's do our email first
Let me play our email theme music here
Okay
And our first email this week
I'm going to start with one I was expecting
From our good friend Pixel Fiend
A long time listener
A long time friend of the show
And Pixel Fiend of course
Gave me the information
I was asking about last week
Last week somehow
I went off on this tangent
Which I'm very very apt to do
Quite frequently
And went off on this tangent
About a game show
That I remembered
And I wasn't sure exactly
The name of it
Where they had the
The
I don't know if they called it
Bachelor and Bachelorette
But they had the
The contestant on the left
Yep
Bachelorette 1, 2, and 3
I could have told you that
Oh well see
See it's perfect timing then
So I couldn't remember
If it was the dating game
Or the newly
Not the newlywed
But there was
I didn't know which one it was
So Pixel Fiend says
Thank
You were thinking of
The dating game
1965 to 1973
Also on that same show
I also made a joke about
Tootie
Which was actually
That was a joke
Because someone's handle
Had the number 2
And then the letter 7
And I asked
Do you think that's a reference
To Tootie
And of course
Tootie for those of you
Who don't know
Was played by Kim Fields
Kim Fields was
Dorothy Tootie Ramsey
On the Facts of Life
1979 to 1988
And yes
I'm ashamed to know that
Says Pixel Fiend
Now
First of all
Don't be ashamed
Come on Pixel Fiend
We're both
We're both in that age bracket
Where we can remember
This kind of stuff
I'm very proud
To admit that I
Okay
Proud
Maybe not the best word
Proud
No
But
Actually maybe ashamed
Is a better word to know
But yes
I watched the Facts of Life
There
I admit it
There's your breakthrough announcement
On Binary Revolution Radio 78
I admit it
I watched the Facts of Life
What I want to know
Are what are the shows today
That ten years from now
People are going to be embarrassed
To admit watching
Oh my goodness
American Idol
Which I frankly still like
And I get a lot of email
Flack from that
Flack from my friends
Dual Parallel
Always tells me about that
I like that too
And I'll be ashamed
To admit that
In ten more years
My favorite reality show
Has got to be
Amazing Race
I can't get enough
Of that one
See and now here
I think we might have
I don't know if you know this
Let me
I'm a reality fan
Reality TV fan myself
But
Only when there's
Like an adventure
Or a challenge
Of something going on
If it's some reality
Who wants to marry this
Who wants to
Sleep with that
Who wants to date this
You can take all that
All that stuff
And throw it in the ocean
I can't stand that
The Bachelor and all that
But I love
The Amazing Race
And Survivor
Do you remember
A show called
The Mole
Never watched that one
The Mole
That was one
Where it was again
It was like
One of the 12 contestants
Was a plant
He was not a real
He or she
Was not a real contestant
Their job was to
Fit in with the contestants
They were a mole
And make the contestants lose
But try not to be obvious
About it
And the way that people
Got voted off
At the end of it
Was you had to
Guess who you thought
The Mole was
And you'd write the name
Of who you thought
The plant was
And whoever
And they had a number
Of questions to describe them
Whoever got the most wrong
Got kicked off
Because you probably
Were thinking
The wrong person
Was the mole
So that was
An interesting show
So stuff that has
Some adventure
And some excitement
And chasing
And stuff like that
I like
All the romance stuff
Yeah I can
Pass on that
I love The Amazing Race
Great show
But see
Maybe we should go on
That Alanka
Maybe you know
I should go on there
But my problem
With that show
Would be
My problem
With that show
Would be
A
I'm not eating
Or drinking
All that nasty stuff
I was thinking
Yeah you handle
The eating things
With jumping
From great heights
And I'll do the rest of it
Those two I think
Would give me a lot of trouble
Yeah I wouldn't be anxious
To do the great heights
But I could do it
I think
But the eating and drinking
No that's not going to happen
If it's not a grilled cheese sandwich
Nah keep it away
Did you watch the recent episode
With the
I think it was
The Hungarian spicy soup
Yes I did see that one
And
That was rough
Yeah
I
Well
Personally I think
I might be able to drink
Some of the nasty stuff
Like they had to do that
Weird Chinese tea
One time
I don't know
I might be able to do that
But I couldn't eat
Some of the
Eyeballs
And whatever
They were eating sometimes
Or the one where
They had to eat
Those kind of seafood
They chopped up an octopus
And they had to eat
The tentacles
While they were still squirming
Oh that's not happening
That's not happening
And that's why
You know one of the shows
I hate
Is that fear factor
I do not watch fear factor
Because the stuff
They make people eat
Is just way beyond
The bounds there
Yeah
That's not
See that's not fear factor
That doesn't show
Any sign of fear
That's gross factor
And I don't really need
To see that
That's just
Ugh
Gross
Anyway
Yeah that's what it'll be
Now see I
And to go back
To embarrassing shows
When I came home
From school
When I was a kid
Like in middle school
I came home
And I would watch
The Facts of Life
And I loved it
It was a cool show
Until they put
George Clooney on there
They started working
And owning that store
And stuff like that
And Miss Garrett was gone
And all that stuff
Then it started to stink
But I would watch
The Facts of Life
Well it was
Different strokes
Would come on first
And then the Facts of Life
And then Silver Spoons
And it seems like
There was something else
I don't remember what it was
But there was like
That was my after school lineup
For the longest time
And this was when
You were about how old
I was in middle school
So I was probably
Oh my gosh
You're
I'm dating myself here
Alonka
You're putting me
On the spot here
I was probably early
Probably somewhere around
Nine to twelve
Thirteen
Fourteen
Somewhere in that range
See and I think
That's normal for humans
I think we have that
That age
When we're kind of like
In our teen years
And the shows we watch
And we think
This is the greatest thing
We've ever seen
In our entire lives
And we maintain
A soft spot for it
For the rest of our lives
But often I've gone back
As an adult
And looked back at shows
That I thought were just
The best writing ever
And I look back at it
And go
I thought this was good writing
It's something about that age
I think
Yeah
Some of them hold up
Surprisingly well
But I don't foresee anybody
Reminiscing about how great
The Power Rangers were
For example
I don't see that happening
Any time
Or Spongebob
I don't get the whole
Spongebob obsession either
But anyway
Boy we went off
On a tangent there
But yeah
I watched those
I have to admit
The dating game
Maybe the reason
I didn't remember it
So clearly
Is because that even
That predated me
I have to admit
That was before my time
I watched it in reruns
Or whatever
When I was younger
But I don't think
I was around
When that was first
In its prime
So to speak
That was probably
In the
Actually he mentioned
It was 65 to 73
And I'm certainly
That's like around
The original Star Trek
And Bewitched
And Dream of Jeannie
I remember things
Were just switching over
From black and white
To color
But I think the dating game
Was all in color
As I recall
Yeah
That was a little bit
Before me
Frankly
So
And actually
So let's get back
On tech here
Because Pixelphine
Also gave me
Some good information
Not only the
Correcting me
On my reminiscing there
But he also went on
To follow up
On the voice over IP
PDA discussion
That we've been having
For a while here
A lot of people
Are really interested
In being able
To use your PDA
For voice over IP
Applications
And being able
To use your PDA phone
With built in wifi
As a cell phone
Without having to pay
Cell phone coverage
And stuff like that
Link it back
To an asterisk box
Et cetera
So Pixelphine
Also says
Quote
Anyhow
Just to add
To the VoIP
PDA emails
I posted a link
In the forum
A couple of months ago
To a story
That is good enough
To mention again
It's one of the
I Cringely column
From PBS.org
On Andrew Grieg
And I hope I'm
Pronouncing that properly
Andrew Grieg
Who works for
Starnix
A Linux consultancy firm
In Toronto
It outlines all kinds
Of wonderful things
He's doing
With asterisk
Myth TV
Et cetera
And runs it all
Via his Zorus
SL6000
Which is a great
Great little PDA
Here's a quote
From the article
Where it mentions
The ultra cool
Wifi cell
Asterisk
Phone setup
He has for
The Zorus
And this is a quote
From the article
Walking around
In his house
The Zorus
Equipped with a
Tri-mode
Communications card
Is a wifi
VoIP phone
Running through
The asterisk PBX
And connecting
To the Vonage
Voice over IP
Network
Walking out
Of his house
The Zorus
Automatically converts
I hope this is
So cool sounding
The Zorus
Automatically converts
To the local
Mobile phone carrier
Though with a
Data connection
That still runs
Back through Vonage
At Starbucks
It's a wifi
Vonage phone
At Andrew's office
It is a wifi
Extension to the
Office
Asterisk PBX
And to Andrew's
Home PBX
That's one PDA
Doing the job
Of two desktop PCs
A notebook PC
And three telephones
That's
Speaking of Star Trek
That's straight out of
Star Trek to me
I'd love to do
Something similar
With my SL5500
But it doesn't have
The built in capabilities
That the SL6000 has
Microphone, wifi, etc
Naturally there are
Ways around some
Of the shortcomings
Which I'll be checking
Out in the nearer future
Thanks for all the
Hard work you do
Hope you get some
Sleep young man
I'll be listening
Yeah I was a little
Tired last week
On the show too
I think it came
Through
That is such
A cool story
I mean honestly
One little PDA
Could you
Do you have a PDA
Alanka?
I've got a couple
Yeah
Okay and do you
Enjoy I mean do you
Find them handy?
It depends
Sometimes yes
Sometimes I find
They just don't
Hold up to
To the abuse
That I put them
Through
Right now
The handheld
That I'm playing
With all the time
Is my iPod
I just won an iPod
At a Christmas party
So I'm wishing
That the iPod
Had the functionality
That my old
Palm VX did
But they're not
There yet
Well yeah
I think actually
There's a lot of
People working
I think there's
A Linux port
Over to the
Palm
Or over to the
To the iPod
Right now
I don't know
If it's completely
Working and functional
But I know
There's some stuff
Being done on it
So definitely
Something to watch for
Okay
Alright thanks
This is just
Such a cool story
To me
And I found
The link
It's a little bit
Long to read
On the air
So I went ahead
And tinyurled it
Which is such
A great tool
And the tinyurl
Is 64LDG
As in Larry
Doug Gordon
For easier access
To the listeners
That are listening live
Those of you
Who are getting this
From the archives
Hopefully I have
The show notes
Up quickly
With the direct link
And this is just
So cool
On so many levels
Because this is
A proof of concept
That it can be done
You know
People can sit
On Slashdot all day
I love Slashdot
As much as the next guy
People can sit
On Slashdot all day
And talk about
Or girl
Huh I'm sorry
Or girl
Boy I'm sorry
What did I say
As much as the next guy
Or girl
Oh okay
Okay there we go
There's my politically
Correct check for the show
As much as the next person
Gender neutral
That anybody
Can sit and talk about
Oh you should be able
To do this
And you should be able
To do that
Wouldn't it be cool
If you could do this
But you know what
He did it
This is a proof of concept
That it can be done
And cable companies
Phone companies
And all this
They have this monopoly
They have physical monopolies
Government regulated monopolies
You don't really have
A whole lot of choices
As much as they try to claim
You have alternatives
You really don't have
Feasible alternatives
They set these prices
And now people
Are going to start seeing
That they're not justified
The same thing happened
With the cost of CDs
And music
People started realizing
Well wait a minute
How come I can burn it
At home for a few cents
For a dollar maybe
But you want to charge us
Twenty dollars for a CD
People are going to start learning
That it doesn't cost as much
As these companies are claiming
And this is going to start happening
And this man is the first one
To actually sit down and do it
One person who had the time
And the resources
To sit down and do this
And there's a
Potentially an open source project
That's phenomenal
That is just a phenomenal accomplishment
And this guy deserves just
All the credit in the world
For that
Now again
He works for a company
Now he has some resources
This is not just one guy
He has some resources
To help him out on that
So setting all this up
By yourself at home
Frankly the time issue
Is something that I wouldn't have
And a lot of people wouldn't have
But having the time
And having a reason
To do it for your company
And stuff like that
And that he's sharing it
With his neighbors
And the rest of his community
Is also living on this
I mean this guy deserves
A pat on the back
That's really
I mean I want people
To go to this article
And read it again
It's tinyurl64ldg
Read this article
This man made it happen
That's just one quote
That I read
Out of the very long article
With lots of eye-popping stuff
That make you just say
Wow
It can be done
And it's only a matter of time
Before we get it
And for one
I'm looking forward to it
I don't have cable
I don't watch
You know
I have basic
Ten channels
Or something like that
Because I refuse
To pay these
Overblown costs
It's not worth it
It's just not worth it
To me personally
But hey
That's personal choice
I guess
And Pixel Fiend
You my friend
Are one of the few people
That can call me young man
You do realize that right
I give him a little bit
Of liberties on that one
Usually I'm the old guy
I'm the old man
So Pixel Fiend
Thank you for the email
You know we always like
Hearing from you
So we have one other email
Today
From
One other email
That I'm going to read
From
Help me out with this one
I'm going to go with
With Sekul
Sequel
I'd say Sekul too
But that's a guess
Okay
S-E-K-E-L
Sekul
Who says
I am listening to
Some of the old episodes
On my iPod
Hey look at that
Okay there we go
What a coincidence
See how things work out
On my iPod
I actually just started listening
Because of the iPod
But that's neither here nor there
I heard you mention
A book called
Terror Cell
By Eric Giles
I did some research
But cannot find
Anything anywhere
Including
TerrorCellBook.com
That is the correct URL
Of the official site
About
About when this book
Is going to be released
Or available for order
I was just curious
If you might have
Any updated information
About it
Or might know
When it's project
Release date is
Now time for the smoke
I enjoy listening to the show
The forums
The websites
And Hack TV
My boss tuned me in
To you guys
When he handed out
Copies of Hack TV
On CD
For all the employees
Here in the tech department
Feel free to use
My real name
Or online moniker
In emails
I post or answer
To both
Well we'll use your handle
I don't give out
Real names
On the site
That's interesting
That your boss
Handed out copies
Of Hack TV
On CD
That's pretty
That's interesting
I wonder
Why
I wonder what the
Motivation to that was
Interesting
Anyway
Okay now
How long have you
Had your iPod
You said
You got it for Christmas
Yeah it was at
A Christmas party
There was a trivia contest
At a Christmas party
That I won
And I got to
Pick any present
Under the tree
And I picked the iPod
Alright
Have you got into
Podcasting at all
Because I know
That's the big craze
That's taken off
With the iPod
I have not
I've kind of
Heard the term
Here and there
But haven't played with it
Lately I've just been
Importing every CD
I mean going through
Every box
And every shelf
And every CD I own
And getting them all
Imported into iTunes
And going from there
And rediscovering music
That I bought
Like ten years ago
That I haven't listened to
And now I'm falling
In love with it again
Like Mozart's
Piano Sonata
In D major
For two pianos
Number 448
I cannot get enough
Of that piece
Very good stuff
Very good
I wonder if that's
Hmm
I wonder what the
Copyright rules are
On some of that stuff
Maybe I could close
The show with that
Sometime
Probably still
I love it
Einstein loved the piece
As well
It's just a dialogue
Between two pianos
Going back and forth
And it's great
It fills my mind
How's that for a quote
I actually do
I like some classical
I play piano
Not well
But I can play piano
I took lessons
For a few years
When I was a kid
So I have some
Appreciation for that
Kind of stuff
It's very good
For what I call
White noise music
Something to listen to
While I'm working
Or typing
Or hacking
Or whatever
I like to have
Nice silence
Something that doesn't
Distract me
But is soothing
You know
Actually there is
A project that I have
That's related to
This piano sonata
That your listeners
Might be able to help with
Okay
While I was listening
To the piece
I was saying
You know I would love
To see this thing
Played live
And see the two pianists
Going back and forth
And I'm trying to think
I live in St. Louis
In the Midwest
And I'm wondering
Somewhere online
There must be a database
That says
Here's where all the
Live performances
Of the following
Mozart pieces
Are going to be
In this following
Section of the United States
And I've been unable
To find anything like that
I mean I know
I can go to the
St. Louis symphony site
And there's probably
A Chicago symphony site
But I don't know
If there's any kind
Of a master database
So if any of your listeners
Have ever heard
Of something like that
Can tell me where
I can go to hear
This piece played
I would really appreciate that
And of course
They can email us here
Radio at BinRev.com
Or they can email you
Directly with that
Sure
And
Which address
Would you prefer
Either one's fine
My website is
Ilanka.com
My easiest email address
To remember
Is Ilanka
At AOL.com
Okay
That's E-L-O-N-K-A
All righty
So if anybody
Has any information
On that
And you know what
If it's not out there
That's a good project
To start
You know
That would be
A nice thing
It might take
Some maintenance
Unfortunately
But maybe somebody
Would be interested
In that
It would be a challenge
Yeah exactly
A challenge
So let's see
Anyway yeah
So podcasting
In general of course
Is just basically
An XML feed
But instead of
Feeding news
It's feeding music
Or links to music
And when you
What do you call it
Cradle your iPod
When you put it in there
And connect to your
To your Mac
Anything that you
Any of those podcasts
That you're connected to
It'll download
Those mp3 files
Into your iPod
So you can listen to them
So for example
We have an iPod of the show
That people connect to
And that's
Binrev.com
Slash radio
Slash podcast
And when they do
When we put a new show up
It'll
When they cradle it
It'll automatically
Download it to their iPod
And a lot of people
You know
Have started picking up
On us from that
They'll get
Each episode of the show
Once we put it on the podcast
And they'll pick it up
And listen to it
On the way to work
The next day
Or something like that
So it's definitely
A great tool
As far as getting
Independent and underground
And new radio talk shows
And I've
I won't rehash my thoughts
But I think everybody
The regular listeners
Know how I feel
About the internet
Still being the only form
Of true free speech
And unbiased media
I'm sure there's some bias
Too
Don't get me wrong
There's some bias
There's plenty of
Biased on the internet
I'm not saying
That it's all unbiased
But I think it's
The last bastion
Of free speech
That people can say
What they want
Without the FCC
Stopping them
Without advertisers
Manipulating and
Influencing them
Et cetera
But again
Yeah I'm not
Going to go
Into that again
So anybody
That's listening
On an iPod
Or on our podcast
Or
And I'm sure
We're carried
By other podcasts
Like Hacker Media
And stuff like that
Please
I'm glad that you've
Listened to the show
I hope you like
And listen to more
But if you did pick up
Like this gentleman did
Or this person
I should be
Gentleman
This person
Seckle did
That's pretty
A neutral name also
I can't really
This listener
Yeah
I'm trying to figure out
By the name
If it would have been
Like Mr. Seckle
Or something
That would have been
But yeah
Write in and let us know
Just for the curiosity factor
If you found out
About Binary Revolution Radio
Through some podcast
Or some podcasting channel
Write in and let us know
Radio at BinRev.com
Just for the curiosity factor
And let me know
If you think about it
If you hate it
Or you like it
Or whatever
Most people
I know
There's some podcasts
Of course
Some sites have mentioned us
The only advertising
That we really do
Is
We don't do promotion
We don't do advertising
Everything has been
Word of mouth
The only thing we do
Is like we go to
Some hacking conferences
And stuff like that
We will pass out
Free CDs
At the hacking conference
Or at the 2600
Or different hacking meetings
And stuff like that
Linux user groups
And things like that
Other than that
We've never done
Any kind of advertising
We don't put an ad
There's a thing
In the back of 2600
In their classified section
Which most people
Probably don't even look at
That's been back there
The whole time
And that's just a general thing
About Binary Revolution
Just BinRev.com
In general
So other than that
We really don't
Get a whole lot of stuff
It's just when people
Come across it
And tell their friends
And they add it
To their sites
And people give us mirrors
Which is great
So it's very much
You know
I'm very proud to say
That it's a community thing
The community has embraced us
And helped us out
And we appreciate that
So the fact that podcasts
Are taking off
And spreading that much further
It just makes us
That much more accessible
I think that's really
Really cool
Now
About Terror Cell
Which was the main point
Of the email
When I got this email
From Sekel
Or Sekel
Again I apologize
Whichever one's wrong
I contacted Eric
And to see if he had
Any updates for me
And I actually have
Gotten some updates
Alonka
Since I spoke to you
And actually
I'll just
Let me just read
His response
He
Eric Giles says
As far as an update
My agent tells me
That he's gotten
The manuscript
In the hands
Of some of the top publishers
Who handle
Other folks
Some other famous folks
And though none
Have picked it up
They all had
Very good things
To say
When they declined it
And these guys
Are top of the list
If they don't
Like something
They have no qualms
About saying
How much something
Really stinks
So they're complimentary
They mean it
But so far
It's still unpublished
So
That's it
From him
Unfortunately
I don't have
Any better news
To say that
It's out there yet
However
I do have some
Good news
For you
I still have
One pre-release copy
Signed by Eric Giles
That he has sent me
To give out to our listeners
I have one left
And he wholeheartedly
Supported that I send it to you
So
If you want to send me
Your real name and address
I will be glad
To pony up some coin
And send this to you
Thanks for listening to the show
And thanks for writing in
And supporting us in general
I'll be glad to send you this
It's a thick
Complete book
Signed in the inside front cover
And dated
Pre-release copy
By the author
So
Contact me with that information
The same address
And I'll get it out to you
As soon as possible
Now
Let's do a quick
Show and tell section
Of the show
And talk about
Some of the stuff
I don't
I've got a quick one
This morning myself
Yesterday
Let's see
No
It was
Saturday
Was my local
DEFCON meeting
DC305 meeting
Actually
By the time this airs
It's not going to be yesterday
Right?
No
It's going to be
It will have been
Well that's right
Yeah
It's Saturday
We pre-recorded the show
Of course
And everybody knows that
So
On Saturday
Was my DEFCON
305 meeting
So
That went really well
We're starting
It's kind of a new meeting
And we're getting together
And it was pretty much
An organizational meeting
Deciding
You know
We have a new meeting location
Introducing people
Talking about
Some of the things
We want to try to accomplish
Some of the group projects
We want to work on
And things like that
So
Started off very good
So that's a very promising start
To hopefully get a lot of people
Learning and
Working on projects together
For South Florida
305 of course
Being Miami
And other than that
I spent a little bit of time
Making some corrections
To DocDroppers
DocDroppers of course
Is our
Document repository site
That we
Announced last week
Black Ratchet and I
DocDroppers.org
And there is an
RSS feed for the site
That shows all
New articles
There is a little bit
Of a bug with it
However
And it's
It's kind of a
Firefox rendering bug
If you will
If you click on the
RSS feed
In Firefox
You'll get an error message
It does not look correctly
However
It does
Actually work
If you go to
FL2600
Which is my local
2600 meeting
You can see it
In action there
It is actually working
You can embed it
In your sites
And have a list
Of all the most
Recent articles
And everything
It just won't
If you click on it
In Firefox
It doesn't quite
Render properly
Right now
And we're working on it
We're going to try
To come up with
A little customized
Version
A little better
Version of it
Anyway
There might be
An upgrade
We can put on there
That will help that out
But we are looking
Into that
But just so people know
It does actually work
You should be able
To successfully
Put that into your sites
Right now
And have it working
It just might not
Let you click on it
Right now
So we're looking
Into that
So that's really
What I've been
Spending my time
Working on the past week
Now you
I don't guess
We probably talk
About the last week
Because your projects
Are a lot more
Ongoing
You don't have
Week to week projects
You have month to month
And year to year
Projects going on
So why don't you
Share some of the stuff
That you've been
Working on
That interests you
And share with the listeners
Some of the stuff
That you've been working on
Okay
Well the big projects
Right now
Are all code related
At least in terms
Of my hobby projects
I also have my day job
I'm a game developer
And I'm also volunteering
A lot of time
To the IGDA
The International Game
Developers Association
I'm on the committee
That covers
State of the industry
White papers
On the state
Of the online game industry
So we did a white paper
On the state of the
Web and downloadable games
Industry
And another white paper
That we just released
About persistent state
Worlds
And those are all
On the IGDA.org
Slash online website
They're free to download
If anyone wants
To take a look at those
Codes
I've got web pages
On all kinds of things
Related to cryptography
Probably my most famous
Web page is
About cryptos
Which is the sculpture
At the center
Of CIA headquarters
And it's also famous
Right now
Because there are
Some very mysterious
References to cryptos
On the book jacket
Of the da Vinci code
So I'm getting about
Oh I'd say
600 to 700
Unique visitors
Per day
That are coming
To my site
Just because
They're researching
The links there
I'm also maintaining
A website on
Famous unsolved codes
And so I'm always
Kind of surfing around
And looking for stuff
On that
And doing a lot
Of public speaking
So I volunteer
To local schools
Like I think
Next week I'm going
Out to a local
High school
To be speaking
About unsolved codes
And cryptos
And a famous code
That we cracked
Called the
Cyrillic projector code
I think that's
Something that's
Coming up later
In your show
Tonight
Yeah I think
We're probably
Going to all
Of those topics
A little bit more
And I think
That's great
By the way
The high school
I didn't know
You were going
To spring
That's very noble
Do you get
Good feedback
From that
From the high school
Students
Oh it's great
All the way around
I love talking
About the codes
And they love
The kinds of things
That I'm talking about
And often I get ideas
From them
Of new avenues
To explore maybe
And I'll talk to anyone
About a code
That I'm trying to crack
Definitely I'll talk
To people that have
Like the college
Educations and stuff
But I'll talk
To teenagers
I'll talk to little kids
Because they may
Be thinking about things
In a different way
And they're going
To see something
Or come up with
Some idea
That no one else has
And I'll go
Oh a stair step pattern
Okay I'll try that
And maybe it'll work
Maybe it won't
But I love getting ideas
From as many different
People as possible
Very very interesting
Yeah that's
You know and that's
That's the hacker mindset
It really is
You know
Definitely definitely
Now you said
When you say public speaking
What about
I mean we know
I think most of our listeners
Anyway probably know
That you did
You presented at
The most recent
DEFCON correct
Yes I've spoken
At DEFCON
And Freaknik
And there's a big convention
Down in Atlanta
Called Dragon Con
And I speak there
Every year
Both on codes
And on my day job
On the game industry
And I've spoken
At several universities
I was just speaking
At Washington University
Recently
I was invited out
To CIA headquarters once
To speak about
Al-Qaeda codes
And steganography
What kind of codes
That Al-Qaeda might be using
So pretty much
All over the place
Very cool
I might have to have you
Come down to our university
And give a talk
I'd be happy to
Hi do you have any
Upcoming ones
That you wanted to
Let anyone know
Or that are public
Information yet
I've got a list
On my website
But most of the
Immediate upcoming ones
Are all going to be
Local to Missouri
But if anyone
Has a university
And they want me
To come out and speak
I'll come out and speak
No charge
Just let me know
When and where
Great fantastic
I might take you up
On that myself
We'll have to follow up
On that after the show
Okay
That's
Wow
That's a lot
You know what
I honestly
Not to
Not saying this
To blow smoke
As the saying goes
But that's
That's very impressive
That you're willing
To go out
To high schools
In particular
A lot of people
Don't want to present
Or don't want to go talk
Unless it's
You know
People go give
Presentations at a conference
But they wouldn't be
Willing to go to a high school
Or to something like that
That's very
I have a lot of respect
For that
I'm very impressed
To hear you say that
I go teach at
Like a local
Classes every once in a while
Or make some volunteer
Things here and there
And again
I don't charge for it
Or anything like that
And I think that's very
I'm very impressed by that
I have a lot of respect
For that
It's all about the community
Life and community
And it's all a tapestry
And we're all interwoven
And if someone wants
To make things better
They have to be
Giving things back
To the community
I believe that
Really strongly
I think a lot of people
And in the tech scene
In all walks of life
I think people
When they get upset
About something going on
They'll sit and complain
About it
And they'll say
This sucks
This is bad
This shouldn't be that way
Well it's easy to complain
It's hard to do
Something constructive
And actually go out
And try to change things
In a positive way
And I strongly believe
That if I feel like
I'm not getting enough
Then it's time for me
To go out
And be giving more
And sharing information
And talking to as many people
As I can
And strangely enough
Wherever I speak
There's people that show up
And actually want to listen
So it seems to work
All the way around
And I'm one of them
I think that's
Very wise
And very well said
I can't articulate it
As cleanly as you can
When I try to make
That same statement
There's a lot of F words
And other foul language
But I agree with that
Wholeheartedly
And I've said that
On the show
The simplest way
I say it is
Quit
Well I'm sorry
I'll be rude
Quit bitching
And do something about it
Amen
That's the way I tell
That's pretty much
All I can say to people
Well as long as
You're in the talking mood
Let's move on
Into our main topic
And first of all
I would love to have you
On the show
Even if this wasn't
The topic
Because I think
You do have a good grasp
On a lot of different things
But let's talk about
Some cryptography
I can't even say the word
That's how bad I am
Cryptography
Let's talk some codes
Tonight
How about that
Okay
And let's start off
Because again
I'm going to freely admit
That I've read
A lot of this stuff
But to read terminology
And to read it
From a textbook standpoint
Is one thing
But to hear somebody
Break it down
And explain it
Step by step
In the thought process
Of something
Is something totally different
So will you indulge me
To kind of
Come down to my level
And answer some questions
Sure
Okay
I do
Let me see
If I think
Let's bring everybody
Up to the same level
Here and start off
And let's do some
Basic terminology
And please
Let me just spit
A couple out
And you correct me
If I'm wrong
Or expand upon these
For example
I think a couple
Of the most basic terms
That we should start off
Defining is
Clear text
And cipher text
Okay
And those
Those apply to
Most forms
Of encrypted communications
Not all
But most
Yes
And clear text
Would of course
Simply be the actual
Data
Like if I were to
Type out a letter
To a lonka
An email to a lonka
Or even write it down
Let's stick with paper
I write it down
On a piece of paper
Okay
That's clear text
Correct
It's that simple
Also known as plain text
Or plain text
Yeah absolutely
See there's a lot
Of redundant terminology
I think in this
Too that confuses people
Now cipher text
Is the encrypted version
Of that
Or the mixed up
Jumbled version
Of that
Correct
So let's go
With a very simple
Example that even
I can follow
Let's go back
To like when
We were a kid
And you had
That first thing
You ever learned
About
Instead of writing
Out the letter
You could say
Every time you
Want an A
You write the number
One
And every time
You want a number
A letter B
You write the number
Two
And you can write
Out this stream
Of numbers
And the other
Person has to know
That the one is A
And two is B
Et cetera
And they can put
That original message
Back together
So that
All those numbers
Would be the cipher text
Correct
And the resulting
The original
And then the resulting
Decoded version
Would be the clear text
Which is the original message
Correct
Okay so those two
Are fairly simple
And fairly clear
The relationship
Between them though
We didn't talk about
Or mention at all
And that's very important
I can make
This cipher text
Using some sort of
Algorithm
Or some sort of pattern
In this example
A equals 1
B equals 2
But the other person
Has to know
That pattern
Or how I made up
Made that up
And
Well
Yes and no
If you want them
To be able to read
The message quickly
Then yes
They should know
What the pattern was
So for this example
Of A equals 1
B equals 2
I would simply
Verbally tell them
For this simple example
Yeah
Or they would know it
Ahead of time
Right
And that would of course
I mean would that be
Defined as the key
Um
You'd have to
Yeah
Yes
You'd have to give them
A key of some sort
Or some kind of way
To decode it
Right
In that case
The key is the
Encryption method
Yes
The encryption method
Okay
All right
So
That's
A very
Very
Very basic example
That's not exactly
The
Practical use of it
However
That's the
Children's
Introduction
Which is pretty much
All I can handle
Well
I mean
It's a good system
And
And systems like that
And even simpler than that
Have been used
For a long
Long time
And have been
Used in
Battlefield conditions
So not all codes
Have been very
Sophisticated
And
Also
When you mention
About plain text
And cipher text
I should mention
That
When you talk about
Code
There's basically
Three different
Types of codes
And
I may be getting
Into
Complex terms here
So stop me
If I'm going
Too far out
On the limb here
But
The three types
Are what's called
Transposition
Substitution
And concealment
Meaning that
There's three different
Ways of hiding a message
One is
What
The method
You talked about
Where you're taking
Each letter
And you're substituting
Something else
In your case
You were substituting
A number
For the letter
And that's called
A substitution cipher
Is what you did
Now another way
Of encrypting a message
Would be transposition
Which is you take
All the letters
That are in your message
And you just mix them up
So all the same letters
Are there
But they're just
In a different order
Like maybe you'd
Write them into
A five by five rectangle
And then read off
The letters in columns
Instead of rows
So when someone's
Receiving the message
They're going to be getting
All these letters
That don't sound like anything
But if they write it back
Into that rectangle
And then read it by rows
Instead of columns
Then ta-da
There's the message
That's called a transposition cipher
Interesting
And a third system
Is called a concealment cipher
And that's where you take
The message
And it's there
It's just hidden
In some way
If I'm not too far off
On the tangent here
An old example of that
Was like from a few thousand
Years ago
There was a general
That needed to send
A message across enemy lines
Now he knew
That any messenger
He sent
Was going to be searched
So how was he going
How was he going
To get a message across
Even if he would have
Encrypted the message
The messenger
Would have been searched
And the message
Would have been lost
That way
Well what the general did
Was he took a messenger
And he shaved the guy's scalp
And then he tattooed
A message
Onto the guy's head
Then they waited
For the guy's hair
To grow back
And then they sent
The messenger
Across the enemy lines
The messenger was sent
He was searched
No message was found
He gets across
The other side
I'm not certain of this
I think he was trying
To encourage a king
To revolt or something
But the messenger
Gets across
Shaves his head
Points his head
At the king
And the message
Gets across that way
So that would be
An example of a
Concealment cipher
And there's a lot
Of other good examples
Of that
Interesting
I had no idea
I didn't know
There were names
All of those examples
Make perfect sense
But I had no idea
That they were
Actually named
As separate
And can you
It sounds to me
Like I may be
Stepping off too far here
But you can mix
And match those
As well
Correct
Absolutely
And that makes things
More and more secure
And harder to crack
Oh I bet
We're going to go
Into that later on
That's for sure
Okay so
Wow
That's
That already
I feel like
I've learned a lot
I'm going to start
When I start
Looking at these
More often
I'm going to start
Looking for different
What categories
They fall in
That's going to
Help me understand
Stuff a lot better
What about
Like some
Let's go back
To some other
Simple terminology
Like what
Is a
What's the difference
Between a cryptographer
And a crypt
Crypt analyst
Okay
And which are you
And which are
Where do you fall under
We were joking
About this earlier
But
I'm all of them
If you break it down
To say cryptography
It breaks down
Into the two roots
Which is crypto
And graphene
Graphene means
To write
And crypto
Is from the word
Cryptos
Which means
It's Greek
And it means
Hidden
So cryptography
Means hidden
Writing
And cryptanalyst
Is someone
Who studies
Codes
Is someone
Who analyzes
Hidden things
And cryptology
I think
Logos
I think
Might be
Books
So again
A studier
Of codes
Or a studier
Of hidden things
There's also
A type of
Steganography
Or a type of
Code called
Steganography
Which I was
Giving a talk
On recently
Which is
A
It's a
Concealment
Cipher
It's a way
Of hiding
Messages
Inside of
Pictures
It's a
Modern form
And that
Comes from
The root
Is stegos
Which means
Covered
Or the roof
So steganography
Means covered
Writing
Or writing
That's under
A roof
And it's
Actually close
To the word
Stegosaurus
Which is
Stegosaurus
The lizard
With a roof
So yeah
I didn't even
Know
See this is
Etymology
And cryptography
And a little
History all
Rolled into
One here
We should
Charge admission
To this show
We should
Make this
The one show
That we charge
People to listen
No I'm just
Kidding
But all of
This falls under
Just cryptography
In general
So is it
Labeling
The specific
Branches
I guess
If you will
Inside of it
Seems a little
There's a lot
Of crossover
Like you said
You're a little
Bit of everything
You study all
Of that
Right
I think the
Most commonly
Used term
Is really
Cryptography
And cryptography
Can be used
In place of
Cryptology
Or cryptanalysis
Just saying
Cryptography
Is pretty much
Accepted
And just
Cryptographer
Would be a
Person who's
Involved with
These activities
Correct
So that's
Safe
Okay
That's a good
Term
Alright
What about
Okay
How about
This is a
I don't even
Know how to
Define this
The word
Cipher
Okay
What is a
Cipher
A cipher
Is a
It's a type
Of code
It's kind
Of a general
Term
It's a generic
So it's not
Like cipher
Text
Cipher is not
Another way
Of saying
Cipher
Text
Necessarily
Well some
People would
Say that
There's a
Difference
Between codes
And ciphers
That a
Cipher
Is a
System
So what
You were
Talking about
Where the
A equals
One and
B equals
Two
That is a
Cipher
System
Whereas a
Code would
Require
Something that's
A code book
For example
That the
Word
Apple
Would mean
Airplane
And the
Word
Banana
Would mean
Battleship
And that's
The time
Where if
You don't
Have the
Code book
When you
Get the
Cipher text
And you're
Going to
See all
These
Apple and
Banana
What are
They saying
You're not
Going to
Be able to
Understand it
Whereas with
A cipher
You can
Basically encrypt
Any message
As long as
You're applying
The algorithm
Of that cipher
To the message
The Navajo
Code talkers
From World War
II
They tended
To use codes
They had
Words that
They used
From the
Reservation
From the
Navajo
Language
That represented
Different types
Of military
Technology
Though they
Also used
Some ciphers
They had
An alphabet
Like we
Can say
ABC
Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
They had
Something
Similar to
That
That was
In the
Navajo
Language
And so
They would
Say the
Words
Like rabbit
I don't
Remember
Exactly
But they
Could say
A word
Which would
Actually mean
The letter
Of the
Alphabet
And that
Would be
A way
And then
They'd spell
Out a word
Using
Those symbols
Now did
You see
The movie
Wind
Talkers
Unfortunately
Yeah I
I did not
So I'm
Completely
Was it
You say
That obviously
As though
You were
Not impressed
They
They got
Some of
The parts
Of what
The Navajo
Code
Talkers
Did
Correct
But overall
I thought
The movie
Was
Not good
It was
Not good
History
There were
Serious errors
In terms of
Military tactics
And the whole
Plot line
Was just
Beyond fiction
It just
Would not
Have happened
It would
Never ever
Have happened
To have
A code
Talker
That had
A partner
Who had
To kill
Him
If the
Code
Talker
Was captured
It was
Just absurd
Yeah well
Two words
Hollywood
One word
Alright we'll
Let that one go
I was going
To say
Nicolas Cage
But that's
Alright so
Cypher then
I guess I
Probably
Incorrectly
Used the
Term
Key
Earlier
When
Cypher
Might have
Been
Whatever the
Algorithm
Is to
Decode
This stuff
So
No in
That case
You used
It correctly
The key
Can be
The algorithm
That is
Used to
Decrypt
Something
And I've
Heard
Ed Scheidt
Who is the
Head of the
CI cryptographic
Center
Who said
Basically that
That the key
Can sometimes
Be the algorithm
The method
So a key
Then could
Be the
Method
An algorithm
Or it
Could be
I mean would
You still have
A key
For example
Let's go back
To a new
Word I just
Learned
The transposition
Type
That is
Like you
Used the
Example I think
Of making a
Square or
Rectangle and
Reading it
Down instead
Of a cross
Right
Now there's
Not really
I mean is
There really
A key or
Cipher or
Anything in
That you
Just have to
Know the
Pattern
Does that
Still fall
Under key
Or
Oh sure
I could tell
You that
The key
Was five
And you
Would know
That you
Would need
To make
A five
By five
Grid
I could tell
You that
The key
Was twenty
Seven and
You'd know
You needed
To make
A twenty
Seven by
Twenty
Seven grid
Or I could
Tell you
That the key
Was five
By eight
And you'd
Know you needed
To make
A five
By eight
Grid
Got
You
Perfect
Sense
Absolutely
Okay
Great
That's
I've already
I already
Have a
Whole lot
More than
I started
This with
I think
I just
Bumped
The microphone
Sorry
About that
To listeners
Now
The other
Thing is
All of
This
I guess
As computer
People
As hackers
And as
Technophiles
As we
Were
We always
Think of
This in
Terms of
Computers
And computer
Applications
But this
Is really
Based on
Well a lot
Of it
On mathematics
But also
Historical application
Like some
Of the stories
You gave us
Earlier
But a lot
Of this
Is really
Based on
Mathematical
Formulas
As far
As getting
A good
Cipher
If I'm
Using the
Terminology
Correctly
Is that
Right
Modern
Codes
Absolutely
Require
Computers
Yeah
The length
Of the keys
Involved
The
Quantity
Of
Manipulations
Of data
That are
Required
It's just
Not feasible
To do it
Pencil and
Paper
Though it's
Possible
I mean
The simplest
Thing is
Just look at
Computers
And a lot
Of your
Listeners
Will be
Aware
Of this
Is binary
Each time
Say the
Letter
A
Appears
On the
Screen
There's a
Hexadecimal
Value of that
Which might be
Like 61
And then a
Binary representation
Of that
Which would be
0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-1
And that's how
Computers talk
Is with zeros
And ones
It's a square
Wave
It's a five
Volt square
Wave
If I'm
Remembering
Correctly
I'm impressed
That you knew
The binary
For the letter
A
I'm giving
You some
Applause
That was good
Stuff
I went to
The St. Louis
2600 meeting
Once and
Somebody had
A t-shirt
There that
Was all
In binary
And I
Asked him
Did it
Say something
Or was it
Just random
Ones and
Series
No no
It says
Something
I say
Okay don't
Tell me
What it
Says
And I
Didn't
Have a
Computer
Didn't
Have a
Palm
Pile
I
Had
Nothing
I
Just
Sat
There
With
Pencil
And
Paper
And
Just read
Off
What his
Shirt
Said
And
Once
You
Know
A
Couple
Kind
Of
Signpost
In binary
It is
Possible
To do
With
Pencil
And
Paper
Slowly
Definitely
A computer
Could have
Done it
Much more
Quickly
Than I
Could
But it
Is
Possible
To do
With
Pencil
And
Paper
If it's
Done
Properly
I can
Do
Some
In my
Head
Some
Short
Ones
If it
Gets
Longer
Than
That
My
Memory
Runs
Out
I don't
Have
Enough
RAM
I can
Do
Them
In
My
Head
And
Also
You
Even
Got
The
0
1
0
1
But
Basically
Letters
To
Binary
That's
A
Substitution
Cipher
Right
There
You're
Substituting
A
Letter
For
Some
Other
Symbol
Or
Group
Of
Symbol
And
That's
A
Code
Right
There
Now
But
More
To
The
Point
As
Far
As
Modern
Day
Like
All
Those
Things
We've
Mentioned
Before
Almost
Every
One
Of
Them
You
Can
Sit
Down
With
A
Pencil
And
Figure
Out
I
Mean
Almost
Everything
That
We've
Mentioned
So
Far
Even
If
It
Wasn't
A
Equals
One
B
Equals
Two
Let's
Say
It
Was
I
Started
With
T
Equals
Whatever
And
J
Equals
That
There
Are
Ways
You
Can
Sit
Down
And
Brute
Force
That
With
Your
Own
Mind
Pencil
And
Paper
Trial
And
Error
And
Things
Like
That
So
Obviously
As
Far
As
Applications
Some
Of
Those
I
Don't
Know
The
Word
Fundamental
Or
Some
Of
Those
Some
Of
Those
Base
Concepts
Have
To
Be
Put
Into
A
Real
World
Application
Because
You
Have
To
Make
It
Difficult
Enough
That
Somebody
Can't
Do
It
In
Their
Head
And
That's
Why
Computers
Become
Important
In
The
Whole
Thing
So
And
I
Guess
And
Maybe
You
Can
Put
This
In
The
Words
Better
Than
I
Can
Again
Also
But
The
Key
To
The
Most
Important
Way
To
Make
Encryption
Algorithm
Or
Whatever
Is
There's
A
Relationship
There
With
Prime
Numbers
Is
What
I'm
Getting
At
And
I
Don't
Know
Exactly
How
To
Put
That
In
Words
But
A
Large
Prime
Number
Is
Not
Something
That
Somebody
Can
Decode
Or
Break
Down
In
Their
Head
Right
If
You
Have
And
This
Is
PGP
RSA
Encryption
If
You
Have
Big
Prime
I
Mean
Big
Like
I'm
Talking
Like
100
Digits
Long
Number
And
You
Take
Two
Prime
Numbers
That
Are
Like
That
And
You
Multiply
Them
Together
And
Then
You
Present
That
Number
It's
Going
To
Be
Very
Difficult
For
A
Human
Being
To
Take
That
Resulting
Product
And
Figure
Out
Which
Primes
Put
It
Together
And
That's
Basically
The
Origin
Of
Some
Of
The
Public
Key
Encryption
That's
Out
There
Is
That
They're
Mathematical
Processing
To
Come
Up
With
These
So
Let
Theoretically
A
Human
Could
Do
It
But
Think
How
Hard
It
Is
To
Multiply
Two
Seven
Digit
Numbers
Together
If
You're
Making
A lot
Of
Columns
If
You've
Got
200
Digit
Numbers
And
You're
Multiplying
Them
Together
It's
Going
To
Take
A
Lot
Of
Paper
And
A
Lot
Of
Pencil
Lead
And
You're
Going
To
Be
11
Okay
Now
You multiply
Those
You get
77
Okay
You and
I can
Both
And
Most
Anybody
Listening
To
The
Show
Can
Work
Backwards
From
70
Given
77
And
Figure
Out
How
Did
You
Get
77
Well
There's
Only
Two
Factors
7
And
11
And
Those
Two
Do
Not
Break
Down
Because
They're
Already
Prime
Numbers
7
And
11
And
Then
Like
You
Said
You
Take
It
To
4
5
7
10
50
Digit
Numbers
Obviously
That's
When
You
Need
A
Computer
Well
Okay
Well
Let's
Back
Up
To
The
Mathematics
Part
Of
It
Simply
Said
A
50
Digit
Prime
Number
Is
Going
To
Be
Faster
And
Easier
For
A
Computer
To
Break
Down
To
Primes
A
50
Digit
Number
Would
Be
Easier
To
Break
Down
To
Primes
Than
Say
A
500
Digit
Prime
Number
Correct
Logically
Common
Sense
Means
That
Right
So
Again
I may
Be
Stretching
By
All
Means
If
There
Is
A
Listener
Out
There
Who
Can
Confirm
This
For
Email
Let
Me
Know
But
I
Guess
I'm
Taking
That
A
Step
Further
To
Say
If
We
Have
A
Key
Length
Of
50
Digits
Or
50
Characters
I'm
Thinking
Like
A
Password
If
It's
A
Five
Character
Password
And
You
Have
A
Ten
Character
Password
It's
Going
To
More
Big
With
Computing
Power
These
Days
That
The
Bigger
The
Key
Length
The
Bigger
The
Key
Size
Then
The
Harder
It
Is
For
It
To
Crack
But
Yeah
That
May
Be
Taking
A
Big
Leap
For
Me
So
Maybe
I
Should
Back
Away
From
That
A
Little
Bit
But
It
Is
Now
That
Is
Where
The
Crossover
Comes
Is
It
Is
Fundamentally
A
Mathematics
Thing
A
Pattern
Thing
I Don't
Know
Thing
Is
Not
Exactly
A
Great
Word
To
Use
Here
But
I
Don't
Have
Much
Better
A
Thing
That
Is
Fundamentally
Based
In
Mathematics
And
Patterns
And
Logic
To
Come
Up
With
Some
Of
This
Stuff
However
You
Mix
In
These
Large
Numbers
That's
When
The
Computer
Comes
In
And
That's
Why
We
See
Cryptography
Used
In
So
Many
Computer
Applications
Because
The
Computers
Are
The
Ones
That
Can
Break
Down
These
Numbers
In
Such
A
Way
To
Keep
Them
Safe
So
That
Only
Another
Computer
Can
Break
Them
Down
And
Only
Somebody
Else
With
A
Computer
With
The
Proper
Key
Can
Make
Use
Of
Even
If
They
Intercepted
It
Now
Where
Do
We
See
A
Lot
I
Mean
We
See
This
In
Computers
A
Lot
These
Days
Where
Is
Some
Place
That
People
Will
See
This
Kind
Of
Thing
Used
I
Mean
Obviously
Like
What
ATMs
Well
When
You're
Talking
Like
The
Prime
Number
Encryption
That
Would
Be
Used
If
Someone
Has
The
PGP
Software
And
They're
Sending
Email
Messages
Back
And
For
Encrypted
With
PGP
That's
Going
To
Be
Involving
Some
Of
This
Prime
Number
Stuff
Then
There's
Other
Modern
Encryption
Systems
And
Yes
An
ATM
Every
Time
You
Other
All
Across
The
World
And
Sending
Money
Back
And
For
And
Of
Course
They're
Not
Sending
It
In
An
Actual
Bag
With
Gold
Pieces
In
It
They're
Saying
Okay
We're
Deducting
$50,000
On
This
End
And
You're
Going
To
Be
Increasing
$50,000
On
Your
Side
And
Here's
The
Proof
That
I've
Done
It
On
My
Side
And
You
Give
Me
The
Verification
You've
Done
It
From
Your
Side
And
All
Of
That
Has
To
Be
Secure
So
That
No
One
Else
Is
Going
To
Tap
In
And
Say
Okay
I'm
Just
Telling
You
I'm
Deducting
$50,000
On
My
Side
You
Increase
$50,000
On
Your
Side
And
I'll
Swing
By
And
I'll
Pick
It
Up
Later
And
That
Way
They're
Kind
Of
Manufacturing
Money
And
You
Don't
Want
To
Have
That
Done
So
The
Banks
Use
Very
Secure
Systems
Of
Talking
Back
And
For
To
Each
Other
And
All
Of
That
Is
Encrypted
I
Stuff
What
Little
Bit
Of
Money
I
Have
In
My
Mattress
All
These
Computer
Technology
These
Newfangled
Interweb
Things
That
Confuses
Me
I
Don't
Old
Fashioned
All
Right
Well
You
Know
What
Can
I
Can
I
Break
Down
Can
I
Just
Ask
You
Some
Questions
Sure
Just
Some
Freestyle
How
Did
You
Get
Interested
In
This
What
Brought
You
Said
You
A
Game
Developer
How
Did
You
Apply
This
Into
Any
Of
Your
Game
Developing
Stuff
Or
How
Did
You
Even
Get
Interested
In
This
In
The
First
Place
Into
Codes
Into
Codes
And
Cryptography
I
Been
Interested
In
Codes
Forever
I
Mean
I
Was
Interested
In
Puzzles
I
Think
Before
I
Could
Even
Read
My
Mother
Would
Tell
Stories
Of
Putting
Me
Down
On
The
Back
Doorstep
With
A
Jigsaw
Puzzle
I
Would
Be
Happy
For
Hours
But
And
Then
As
I
Grew
Up
I
Think
There
Was
A
Neighborhood
Boy
Who
Was
Studying
Codes
For
A
Boy
Scout
Merit
Badge
I
Think
And
I
Was
Just
Over
At
His
House
All
The
Time
And
I
Was
Asking
Questions
And
Asking
Questions
Reading
His
Books
And
He
Finally
Just
Gave
Me
All
Of
His
Books
On
Codes
But
Then
To
Get
Into
The
Public
Scene
Where
I'm
Now
Doing
The
Public
Speaking
That
Came
Out
Because
Of
The
Convention
Dragon
Con
Down
In
Atlanta
I
Was
There
And
I
Was
Speaking
On
Games
And
Game
Development
And
I
Was
Speaking
In
Dragon
Con
For
Those
Of
You
Listeners
Who
Aren't
Familiar
With
It
A
Star
Wars
Track
And
A
Buffy
The
Vampire
Slayer
Track
And
A
Comic
Books
Track
And
A
British
Sci-Fi
Track
And
One
Of
The
Tracks
Was
Electronic
Frontiers
Form
And
In
This
Track
There
Will
Be
Several
Different
Talks
On
Things
Related
To
The
Tech
Scene
And
Also
Things
Related
To
The
Online
Gaming
Scene
And
So
I
Would
Be
There
Speaking
About
My
Games
And
Other
Things
Relating
To
The
Online
Game
Industry
And
That
Is
Also
Where
Some
Of
The
Hackers
Were
Coming
In
SE
2600
From
Tennessee
And
Georgia
Were
Coming
In
And
They
Be
Speaking
About
Computer
Security
And
So
I
And
There
Was
A
Code
It
Was
Called
The
Freak
Nick
Three
Code
And
It
Had
Been
Released
As
A
Challenge
To
The
People
At
The
Freak
Nick
Convention
And
With
A
Prize
Offered
To
The
First
Person
To
Crack
The
Code
Well
When
I
Heard
About
This
It
Had
Been
A
Year
And
No
One
Had
Cracked
The
Code
Yet
A
Lot
Of
People
Had
Tried
But
No
One
Had
Figured
It
Out
And
So
I
Kind
Of
Picked
Up
The
Flyers
At
Dragon
Con
And
Then
Went
Off
And
Did
My
Thing
And
Came
Back
To
St.
Louis
And
Then
I
Was
Really
Bored
One
Weekend
I
Think
I
Was
Homesick
With
The
Flu
And
I
Picked
Up
The
Flyers
And
Just
Started
Looking
At
It
And
I
Got
Really
Obsessed
With
It
And
I
Decided
To
Make
A
Moving
Tiles
Around
On
The
Table
And
Reading
Things
On
The
Internet
And
Talking
To
Lots
Of
People
Pretty
Much
Anyone
Of
My
Friends
That
Came
To
Say
Hey
Lonky
You
Want
To
Do
Something
Like
Don't
Talk
To
Me
Unless
You
Want
To
Talk
About
This
Code
But
The
Obsession
Worked
Because
I
Cracked
The
Code
And
I
Got
To
The
Center
And
It
Was
Kind
Of
And
So
There
Was
Something
Kind
Of
Sexist
In
The
Middle
Of
It
When
You
Gotten
To
The
Center
Of
The
Code
What
You
Need
To
Do
To
Announce
Your
Win
You
Need
To
Go
To
The
Hacker
Mailing
List
It
I
Came
Up
With
Something
Do
You
Want
To
Hear
The
Haiku
Is
It
Going
To
Give
It
Away
Though
What
If
Our
Listeners
No
Haiku
Is
A
Three
Line
Poem
That
Is
A
Certain
Number
Of
Syllables
Five
Syllables
Seven
Syllables
And
Five
Syllables
And
So
The
Haiku
That
I
Wrote
Johnny
X
And
I
Will
Discuss
Things
Aquatic
If
He
Wears
A
Suit
And
So
I
Posted
That
Message
To
The
List
And
It
Took
Him
A
Month
To
Reply
But
He
Finally
Did
And
I
Won
The
Prize
Which
Was
A
Free
Trip
To
A
Hacker
Con
And
Free
T-shirts
And
Free
Drinks
Not
That
It's
Hard
To
Get
Free
Drinks
At
A
Hacker
Con
Or
Free
Cookies
If
You're
Around
I
Was
Having
You
Cookies
And
I
Went
Around
Cracking
Some
Other
Codes
Other
Challenges
And
I
Actually
Cracked
So
Many
That
When
The
Atlanta
Con
Hacker
Con
When
They
Released
Their
Code
Challenge
It
Was
On
A
Sheet
Of
Paper
And
At
The
Bottom
Of
The
Paper
It
Said
No
Past
Puzzle
Crackers
Are
Ineligible
For
Prizes
Associated
With
Solving
The
Atlanta
Con
Puzzle
Give
Someone
Else
A
Chance
Ilanka
But
You know
What
Now
Joking
Aside
Let's
Back
Up
Because
You
Kind
Of
Skipped
An
Important
Part
Of
That
Story
Okay
Truthfully
You
Said
You
Okay
So
You
Found
This
On
The
Website
You
Were
Home
With
The
Flu
You
Became
Obsessed
With
It
You
And
I
Think
You
Yada
Yad
It
Over
It
You
Basically
Said
One
Thing
Led
To
Another
And
I
Found
No
I
Need
To
Know
I
Need
To
Know
The
Yada
I
Need
To
Gibberish
It
Is
Just
A
Bunch
Of
Garbage
On
There
Now
If
I
Saw
Something
That
Was
A
Couple
Maybe
A
Couple
Digits
Transposed
Or
Like
For
Example
Spaces
In
Between
Parts
Of
It
I
Would
Think
Okay
Those
Are
Probably
Words
If
I
See
A
Three
Letter
Word
It
Might
Be
The
And
I
Can
Start
Working
Backwards
From
That
You
Kind
Of
Reverse
Engineer
It
That
Excellent
That's
An
Excellent
Way
Of
Going
At
It
That's
Not
The
That's
Not
The
Way
This
Works
These
Are
Like
A
Continuous
Stream
Of
Garbage
At
This
Point
When
You're
First
Looking
At
You're
Look
Honestly
You're
Looking
At
This
And
It's
A
Foreign
Language
You
Don't
Know
What
You're
Looking
At
Honestly
Where
You
Begin
How
Do
You
Look
At
That
And
Say
Okay
I
Want
To
Crack
This
What
I
Mean
Do
You
Look
For
Patterns
In
The
Sequence
Do
You
Look
For
Certain
Okay
First
In
Case
Any
Of
Your
Listeners
Are
Curious
About
It
I
Can
I
Can
Show
Them
A
Link
Where
They
Can
See
The
Code
And
I
Think
You've
Also
Got
A
Tiny
URL
Set
Up
But
The
Code
Last
I
Checked
Was
Online
At
The
Freak
Nick
Dot
Org
Website
Though
That
May
Be
Down
So
What
Was
The
Tiny
URL
That
You
Had
Set
Up
The
Freak
Nick
Three
See
We
Plan
Ahead
On
This
Show
The
Freak
Nick
Three
Challenge
And
This
Is
Something
That
Basically
The
Original
Project
The
Original
Code
Is
Up
There
And
It
Has
A
Step
By
Step
Walk
Through
Of
How
To
Solve
It
As
Well
Right
Yes
So
The
Listeners
Can
Go
To
Did Make
A
Tiny
URL
Of
It
At
658
C
As
In
Candy
A
As
In
Apple
Hey
Candy
Apple
658
C
A
Okay
And
The
Original
Code
Is
At
The
URL
Which
Is
The
www.freaknick.org
Freaknick
Is
P-H-R-E-A-K-N-I-C
So
www.freaknick.org
Slash
Freaknick
Dot
Text
T-X-T
And
There
You
Can
See
The
Freaknick
Code
In
Its
Blocky
Glory
There
Now
Assuming
That
Your
Listeners
Are
Doing
This
And
I'm
Looking
At
It
On
My
Screen
I'm
Not
Sure
If
You're
Looking
At
It
On
Your
Screen
But
When
I
Looked
At
It
I
Could
See
That
Though
It
Did
Just
Look
Like
Garbage
That
If
You
Look
At
It
A
Little
Longer
You
Can
See
That
There's
Different
Kinds
Of
Garbage
There
And
Spaces
And
Punctuation
Actually
Let's
Do
This
Some
People
Are
Going
To
Rewind
And
Listen
To
This
Again
With
It
In
Front
Of
Them
So
This
Is
A
Good
Exercise
It
Was
Freaknik
Dot
Org
Slash
Freaknik
Dot
Text
But
You
Need
To
It
They
Don't
Have
It
Enabled
For
Without
The
WW
That's
Fine
I
I'm
Looking
At
It
Right
Now
With
You
And
Anybody
Who
If
You're
Listening
To
This
Live
You
Can
Go
Download
This
And
Listen
To
It
At
Your
Convenience
Pause
It
As
Necessary
And
Follow
Along
With
Some
Of
This
Is
I
Can't
I
See
The
Top
Line
And
You
See
All
The
Letters
And
Numbers
Right
Okay
Yes
And
Lines
Two
Through
Four
And
You
Can
See
It's
Kind
Of
Broken
Up
And
It's
Got
Words
And
Spaces
And
Commas
And
Punctuation
Yes
I
See
That
Okay
And
Then
There's
Like
A
Whole
Mess
Which
Is
Letters
And
A
Few
Punctuation
Symbols
And
Then
There's
Another
Eight
Lines
Which
Is
A
Different
Kind
Of
Mess
Because
Now
You
Have
Different
Kind
Of
Punctuation
Symbols
There's
Lots
Of
At
Signs
In
There
And
It's
More
Punctuation
Than
Letters
Right
And
Then
There's
A
Couple
Lines
With
Dashes
And
Then
There's
A
The
Line
At
The
End
Has
A
B
And
K
Right
Okay
So
Like
I
Looked
At
The
B
And
K
And
I
Thought
Okay
All
It
I
Also
I
Counted
Things
And
It
Was
All
Evenly
Divisible
By
Eight
And
I
Like
Aha
Okay
And
It's
A
Hacker
Con
So
There's
Going
To
Be
Something
High
Tech
In
There
And
Then
Now
That
You
Know
The
Last
Line
May
Be
Binary
If
You
Look
At
The
First
Line
Again
And
You
Can
See
It's
Mostly
Numbers
But
It
Has
Some
Letters
It
Has
The
Letter
E
The
Letter
A
The
Letter
D
But
Nothing
Higher
Than
An
F
In
The
Alphabet
Gotcha
So
That's
Hexadecimal
Bingo
Okay
Which
Is
Another
Substitution
Cipher
Where
You're
Taking
Two
Digit
Numbers
Where
Each
Two
Digit
Number
Is
Standing
For
A
Particular
Letter
And
I
Won't
Go
Through
The
Entire
Code
Here
But
I
Can
Probably
Talk
For
A
Couple
Hours
On
That
But
That
That's
How
I
Forward
Sort
Of
Looks
Like
Words
That
That'll
Come
Apart
To
A
Very
Common
Crypto
Analysis
Technique
Called
Frequency
Counting
Frequency
Analysis
Which
Is
That
You
Take
Any
Message
And
You
Count
Every
Letter
And
You
See
How
Many
Occurrences
Of
The
Most
Frequently
Used
Letter
In
The
English
Language
Is
The
Letter
E
And
The
Second
Most
Frequently
Used
Letter
Is
The
Letter
T
So
If
You
Do
A
Frequency
Analysis
On
A
Message
And
You
See
That
There's
A
Whole
Bunch
Of
One
Or
Two
Letters
Chances
Are
Pretty
Good
That
Those
Are
Going
To
Be
E
And
T
And
Then
You
Can
Substitute
There
And
You
Can
Start
Looking
Okay
So
If
An
E
Falls
At
The
End
Of
A
Three
Letter
Word
And
The
T
Falls
At
The
Beginning
Of
That
Three
Letter
Word
There's
A
Good
Chance
That
The
Middle
Letter
Is
Going
To
Be
An
H
Yes
Absolutely
And
Just
Keep
Whittling
At
It
And
I
Would
Take
I
Took
This
And
I
Did
What
I
Describing
I
Kind
Of
Went
At
It
Piece
By
Piece
And
I
Also
Showed
It
To
People
And
I
Would
Go
To
The
Smartest
People
I
Knew
And
I
Would
Say
What
Do
You
See
And
They
Would
Look
At
It
And
They
Would
Scratch
Their
Head
And
They
Say
I
Don't
Know
But
Hey
That
Sort of
Looks
Like
UU
Encoding
And
At
That
Point
I
Never
Heard
Of
UU
Encoding
In
My
Life
But
I
Go
On
The
Web
And
I
Type
In
UU
Encoding
And
I
Read
Up
About
UU
Encoding
And
I
Read
About
The
Algorithm
And
I
Look
For
UU
Decoders
And
I
Would
Take
From
The
Freaknik
Code
And
I
Chopped
It
Up
And
I
Put
It
Into
A
UU
Decoder
And
Came
Out
With
Nothing
And
Then
I
Started
Reading
More
About
Formatting
And
I
Formatted
Things
In
Different
Ways
And
There
An
A
B
Becomes
An
O
A
C
Becomes
A
P
And
It
Is
A
Rotation
Of
Exactly
13
And
The
Reason
13
Is
A
Great
Number
To
Use
Is
Because
The
Alphabet
Has
26
Letters
In
It
So
An
A
Becomes
An
N
And
An
N
Becomes
An
A
It
Always
Comes
Back
To
The
Same
Thing
A
B
Be
So
It
Very
Simple
Way
Of
Moving
Things
Around
Okay
So
This
Is
Really
Interesting
I
Didn't
Really
This
Is
A
Good
Sample
To
Start
For
People
To
Play
With
Because
I
I'm
Glancing
At
It
Now
Too
And
I
See
Some
Patterns
Now
Like
I
See
644
Jumps
Out
At
Me
Towards
The
End
And
There
A
Dot
In
There
It
Symbolizes
Some
Sort
Of
File
Name
And
Exactly
You
Can
Start
Example
But
Let's
Take
This
That
Answer
That
Something
That
This
Is
A
Good
Way
Of
Making
Me
See
I
Understand
That
I
Hope
The
Listeners
Understand
Or
See
This
A
Little
Bit
Better
Too
But
That
Is
A
Simple
Example
I
Mean
It
Is
Not
Simple
But
That
Is
A
Prepared
One
For
Computers
And
Techies
And
Stuff
Like
That
Let's
Take
This
Let's
Take
It
Up
A
Not
Projector
Okay
How do
You
Then
Go
To
A
Cyrillic
Projector
Which
Is
In
A
Different
Language
And
In
Some
Kind
Of
Encrypted
Format
That
You
Don't
Have
A
Clue
So
You
Can't
See
Here
You're
Saying
We
Acknowledge
Certain
Patterns
Like
Possible
Binary
And
Hex
Codes
And
File
Names
And
Rot
13
Stuff
That's
Familiar
To
Us
What
About
Stuff
That's
Not
Familiar
To
You
How
Did
I
Hear
About
The
Cyrillic
Projector
I
Heard
About
The
Cyrillic
Projector
It's
Actually
Through
The
Freak
Nick
3
Code
Because
When
Johnny
X
Wrote
The
Freak
Nick
3
Code
He
Put
In
A
Bunch
Of
Dead
Ends
And
One
Of
Those
Dead
Ends
Says
Go
To
The
CIA
Website
And
Go
Solve
This
And
He
Gave
A
Link
To
A
Picture
Of
A
Sculpture
At
The
Center
Of
CIA
Which
Is
Called
The
Crypto
Sculpture
And
It
Was
Just
A
Red
Herring
It
Was
A
Dent
And
The
Freak
Nick
Code
But
It
Was
Through
That
I
First
Heard
About
Cryptos
And
I
Started
Reading
About
Cryptos
And
Cryptos
Is
A
Sculpture
That
Was
Created
As
A
Challenge
To
The
Employees
At
The
CIA
It
It's
A
Big
Wavy
Screen
About
12
To
Clarify
Because
For
Radio
Cryptos
Is
Not
A
Term
I
Don't
Want
To
Confuse
It
With
Cryptography
It's
A
Proper
Name
K
R
Y
P
T
O
S
Name
Of
This
Particular
Statue
Or
This
Particular
Thing
I
Don't
Want
To
Confuse
It
With
Any
Terminology
Well
It
Is
Actually
Because
Crypto
I
Told
You
Crypto
Comes
From
The
Greek
Word
Cryptos
Which
Means
Hidden
And
The
It
Was
Commissioned
In
1988
Installed
In
1990
And
It
Has
Characters
That
Are
Punched
Through
The
Metal
Of
This
Wall
On
The
Sculpture
There's
About
2,000
Characters
And
There's
Some
Other
Pieces
Around
The
C.I.A.
Grounds
That
Are
Related
With
Morse
Code
And
A
Compass
But
The
Primary
Piece
Is
This
Crypto
Sculpture
With
The
Letters
And
What
We've
Learned
Is
That
There's
Four
Codes
That
We
Know
Of
That
Are
On
This
Sculpture
Three
Of
The
Four
Have
Been
Solved
The
Fourth
One
Has
Not
Been
Solved
And
It's
Considered
To
Be
One
Of
The
Most
Famous
Unsolved
Codes
In
The
World
It's
In
The
Top
Ten
On
My
List
I
Think
I
Business
When
I
Was
Speaking
About
Al
Qaeda
Codes
And
Stagonography
And
That's
When
I
Had
A
Chance
To
See
The
Crypto
Sculpture
Up
Close
And
Then
I
Made
Some
Rubbings
Of
It
And
I
Posted
Them
On
A
Web
Page
And
Then
My
Life
Began
To
Change
Because
All
Of
A
Sudden
I'm
An
Expert
On
Cryptos
And
People
Are
Writing
To
Me
From
All
Over
The
World
One
Of
The
Questions
That
Came
Up
Was
Who
Made
Cryptos
The
Answer
To
That
Is
A
Man
Named
James
Sanborn
He
Is
Still
Living
He
Lives
In
Washington
D.C.
And
Another
Question
Was
What
Other
Sculptures
Has
Sanborn
Done
Has
He
Made
Any
Other
Sculptures
With
Codes
On
Them
And
The
Answer
Is
Yes
After
He
Made
Cryptos
Which
Is
In
The
CIA
I
Found
Out
That
He
Art Gallery
Shows
Here
And
There
And
He
Sold
It
To
The
University
Of
North
Carolina
In
Charlotte
And
That
Is
Where
The
Ceramic
Projector
Sits
Right
Now
Is
On
The
Campus
Of
The
Charlotte
University
There
So
One
Of
The
Things
That
My
Group
Did
Because
We've
Now
Got
A
Group
Of
About
300
People
From
All
Over
The
World
That
Are
Working
Really
Hard
On
Cracking
That
Part
Four
On
Cryptos
And
If
Any
Of
Your
Listeners
Want
To
Get
In
Come
On
In
I'll
Take
All
The
Ideas
That
We
Can
Get
Yeah
And
You
Know
What
And
Actually
We
I
Hate
To
I
Hate
To
Do
This
We're
Kind
Of
Running
Low
Here
Maybe
We
Can
Go
Into
A
Show
One
Day
And
Go
Through
A
Detailed
Look
At
This
Actual
Project
And
Some
Of
The
Things
That
You
Have
Found
I
Hate
To
Cut
You
Off
Because
This
Is
We
Could
Go
On
For
Hours
And
Hours
I'll
Sit
Here
And
Listen
To
You
After
The
Show
Is
Over
For
Hours
About
This
But
I'm
Afraid
If
We
Get
Started
On
This
We've
Got
Seven
Eight
Nine
Minutes
To
Left
And
I
Don't
Know
If
We're
Going
To
Okay
Let
Me
That
Case
Was
What
Type
Of
Cipher
Was
It
And
There's
A
Type
Of
Cipher
Called
A
Visionaire
Cipher
Which
Is
Made
By
A
French
Cryptographer
A
Few
Hundred
Years
Ago
And
There
Is
A
Visionaire
Table
It's
A
Table
System
Where
You
Make
A
Table
In
A
Certain
Format
And
Then
You
Apply
The
Plain
Text
To
The
Table
And
Come
Out
With
Cipher
Text
Well
There
Was
A
Double
Keyword
Methods
And
There
Was
An
Extra
Twist
In
There
And
I
Agree
That's
A
Whole
Other
Story
But
The
Methods
That
Were
Used
To
Encrypt
The
Cyrillic
Projector
Were
Similar
To
The
Methods
That
Were
Used
To
Encrypt
Cryptos
And
That
Was
Another
Thing
That
Helped
Us
Along
We
Looked
At
What
Sanborn
Had
Learned
About
Codes
When
He
Did
Cryptos
And
Then
We
Saw
That
He
Had
Applied
Some
Of
That
To
The
Cyrillic
Projector
And
It's
A
Much
Longer
Story
But
That's
It
In
A
Nutshell
Yeah
And
I
Again
I
Know
You
Laughed
At
This
When
I
Said
This
Before
But
I
Also
Respect
The
Fact
That
Not
Only
Was
This
A
More
Complex
Code
And
You
Started
Off
With
Less
Of
With
The
Computer
One
You
Had
Some
Familiarity
With
The
Stuff
Especially
Some
Of
Us
Listening
To
This
Show
But
With
This
One
You
Start
Off
With
Nothing
Or
Very
Little
And
You
Have
To
Do
A
Lot
Of
Research
To
Try
To
Find
What
It
Could
Be
In
Patterns
But
The
Thing
That
Really
Blew
My
Mind
Was
When
I
Read
Through
I
Saw
I
Went
Through
Your
Slides
From
The
Last
Def
Con
Where
You
Talked
About
This
And
I
Look
Through
Your
Website
And
I
Do
Understand
Now
How
The
Patterns
Work
And
How
You
Can
Find
Stuff
But
My
Gosh
When
I
Saw
That
You
Guys
Somehow
Found
Out
I
Mean
What
Do
You
Do
When
You
Think
You've
Got
The
Pattern
And
You've
Got
It
And
It
Starting
To
Look
Right
And
You
Find
Out
That
There's
A
Spelling
Error
In
There
How
Do
You
Find
The
Pattern
I
Mean
I
Mean
If
I
Let's
Go
Back
To
My
Simple
Example
Of
A
Equals
One
B
Equals
Two
If
Somebody
Messes
Up
Six
Or
Seven
Of
Those
It
Throws
You
All
Off
I
Mean
If
There's
A
Mistake
In
There
That
Would
Drive
Me
Insane
It
Drives
Me
Insane
Thinking
About
It
Well
Nearly
Every
Code
That
I
Have
Cracked
Every
Single
One
Has
Had
Spelling
Errors
In
It
Oh
Somebody
Should
Be
Slap
For
That
No
It's
Not
Saying
Anything
About
The
Tech
Scene
Even
The
Edgar
Allen
Poe
Ciphers
I
Mean
Every
Code
That
I
Have
Seen
The
Zodiac
Killer
Ciphers
Everything
There
Are
Errors
In
It
Because
Humans
We
Error
Is
Human
We
Screw
Up
We
Make
Mistakes
And
One
Of
The
Ways
That
I
Think
That
I
Have
Cracked
Some
Codes
That
Other
People
Have
Not
Is
Because
I
Keep
That
In
Mind
I
Keep
It
In
Mind
That
When
I'm
Looking
At
Cypher
Text
It
May
Not
Be
Perfect
It
Probably
Is
Not
Perfect
It
Was
Probably
Encrypted
By
A
Human
Who
Screwed
Something
Up
And
I
Think
About
The
Ways
That
They
Could
Have
Screwed
Things
Up
And
Then
I
Look
For
Those
Mistakes
And
Often
That's
The
Way
That
I
Find
The
Way
Into
The
Code
That's
An
Excellent
Point
And
Also
Is
It
Could
They
Have
Been
Intentionally
Put
In
There
As
A
Red
Herring
To
Throw
People
Off
In
Some
Cases
Yes
I
Think
In
Most
Cases
It's
Just
An
Honest
Mistake
Like
The
Crypto
Sculpture
At
CIA
There
Are
Three
In
The
Parts
That
We've
Solved
So
Far
There
Are
Spelling
Errors
And
Two
Of
Them
Part
Really
Briefly
Part
One
The
Plain
Text
Of
Part
One
Says
Between
Subtle
Shading
And
The
Absence
Of
Light
Lies
The
Nuance
Of
Ecclusion
Now
We
Think
That
It's
Supposed
To
Say
Illusion
But
It
Says
Ecclusion
It's
Called
I
Q
L
U
S
I
O
N
Well
There's
No
Such
Word
As
Ecclusion
And
I
Had
Dinner
With
Sanborn
The
Artist
And
I
Asked
Him
Was
That
A
Mistake
Or
Was
It
Deliberate
And
He
Said
It
Was
Deliberate
But
Then
He
Also
Said
Something
Really
Interesting
He
Said
That
One
Was
Deliberate
And
He
Said
There
Was
Another
One
Where
The
Word
Underground
Was
Spelled
With
Two
U's
Instead
Of
OU
And
He
Said
But
It's
Not
What
Those
Errors
Are
That
Is
So
Important
It's
Still
Don't
Know
What
It
Means
But
There's
Another
Typo
On
The
Sculpture
Which
Is
The
Word
Desperately
Is
Misspelled
And
When
I
Asked
Him
About
That
He
Gave
A
Different
Answer
Which
I
Asked
If
It
You
And
We've
Been
Trying
To
Work
This
Out
We've
Definitely
Got
To
Do
Another
Episode
And
Go
Into
Some
Detail
On
These
Projects
And
Maybe
Even
Start
Looking
At
Some
Of
Your
Top
Ten
Which
By
The
Let me
Again
Let's
Pimp
Your
Site
Which
Is
Ilonka.com
E-L-O-N-K-A
.com
And
That'll
Link
To
Some
Of
The
AOL
Stuff
Some
Of
Freaknik
Stuff
Your
Link
From
Ilonka.com
They'll
Find
It
There
For
Anybody
That
Wants
To
Take
A
Look
At
Some
Of
These
I
Mean
Do
You
Have
Some
Of
These
Set
Like
If
And
When
You
Finish
Up
With
The
Cyrillic
Projector
Are
You
Going
To
Move
On
To
Like
Another
You
Going
To
Pick
Another
One
Off
That
List
And
Start
With
Number
One
I
Don't
Have
To
Be
The
Person
To
Solve
Cryptos
I
Just
Want
To
See
Cryptos
Solved
I
Want
It
Off
My
Plate
So
If
I
Can
Do
That
By
Public
Speaking
And
Teaching
As
Many
People
As
I
Can
About
Cryptos
And
Just
Making
It
As
Public
As
Possible
So
That
Someone
Else
Solves
It
That
Is
Fine
With
Me
Awesome
Hey
Maybe
Some
Of
The
Listeners
Will
Be
Motivated
To
Put
A
Group
Together
Them
Or
Take
Some
Stabs
At
It
On
Their
Own
If
They're
Like
Me
As
Matter
That's
Kind
Of
How
The
Cerullic
Character
Was
Solved
It
Was
Multiple
People
Who
Were
Working
But
Some
Of
Them
Had
No
Idea
Of
The
Existence
Of
Others
It's
A
Really
Interesting
Story
Great
Well
Hopefully
That
Works
Out
Here
Well
Let's
Wrap
Up
The
Show
Here
We
Always
Wrap
Up
The
Show
With
A
Couple
Little
Things
To
Kind
Of
Tidy
It
Out
Give
Shout
Outs
At
The
End
Of
The
Show
And
I'll
Give
You
A
Couple
Seconds
To
Think
If
There's
Anyone
You
Want
To
Say
Hi
To
Me
I'm
Going
To
Say
Hi
To
Andrew
Greig
We
Mentioned
Him
In
The
Article
Earlier
About
The
PDA
And
All
The
Great
Stuff
He's
Doing
I
Think
That's
Phenomenal
And
Again
Love
Is
That
Abstract
And
Obtruse
Mixed
Together
The
Obtruse
One
For
Confirming
That
Dating
Game
Thing
We
Were
Talking
About
Earlier
So
He
Also
Sent
Me
An
Email
About
It
And
To
DC
305
The
Miami
DEFCON
New
Hack
City
Shouts
Out
To
Everybody
From
The
DEFCON
Group
And
Ilanka
Anybody
You
Want
To
Give
Shout
Outs
To
Oh
Guys
There's
So
Many
People
That
Have
Helped
Me
With
These
Codes
I
Going
To
Do
A
Big
General
Shout
Out
To
The
Midwest
2600
Group
And
Everyone
That
Helped
Me
Whose
Name
I
May
Not
Be
Remembering
It
Especially
Andy
He's
Been
Invaluable
Over
The
Years
And
Usually
When
I'm
Talking
About
Codes
He's
Usually
The
First
Person
That
I
Go
To
For
Help
Sounds
Good
And
Shouts
Alanka
To
You
Thank
You
For
Coming
On
And
Honestly
We
Met
At
Freak
Nick
And
Again
Through
Some
Mutual
Friends
And
You
Were
Probably
I
Have
To
Say
You
Were
The
Nicest
Person
I
Met
There
I
Mean
That
Sincerely
And
I'm
Not
I'm
Not
Trying
To
Get
You
Back
On
The
Show
I
Wish
You
Would
But
I
Honestly
I'm
Kind
Of
Corny
That
Way
I
Really
Want
To
Tell
You
Were
Very
Nice
To
Me
There
Because
I
Was
A
Total
Stranger
To
You
And
I
Had
A
Good
Time
I
Thought
You
Were
Very
Well
Mannered
Very
Nice
Person
And
I
Got
To
Say
That
You
Were
The
Nicest
Person
That
I
Met
At
Freak
Nick
And
I
Hope
We
Can
Meet
Up
Again
At
Some
Of
These
Other
Conferences
Absolutely
I
Really
Enjoyed
This
And
Thank
You
So
Much
For
Inviting
Me
To
Be
On
The
Show
Oh
We
Have
Fun
We
Laugh
A
Little
Bit
We
Don't
Make
It
Too
Awful
Serious
But
We
Do
Cover
Some
Good
Stuff
So
Thank
You
For
Being
On
To
The
Listeners
You
Guys
All
Know
Guys
And
Girls
I
Call
Myself
Guys
And
Girls
Know
You
Can
All
Email
Us
To
Radio
At
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
Feedback
On
Any
Of
The
Stuff
We
Talk
About
Or
Follow
Ups
Or
Anything
Like
That
Will
You
Feel
Some
Questions
Or
Put
Some
People
To
In
Touch
If
They
Want
To
Get
In
The
Group
And
Join
On
Like
You
Said
Earlier
All
They
Got
It
Yeah
We
Have
A
Yahoo
Group
They
Can
Join
Anytime
They
Want
Great
So
We
Can
Buy
Feel
Free
To
Send
It
To
Me
And
I'll
Forward
It
On
If
Necessary
Radio
Bin
Rev
Dot
Com
Or
You
Can
Follow
Up
As
Alanka
Just
Said
That
Information
Our
Closing
Music
This
Week
Is
From
It
Was
Sent
In
By
A
Listener
And
It
Somebody
It
It's
DJ
B
C
And
He
Has
An
Album
Called
The
Beastals
Which
If
You
Think
About
It
For
A
Second
It's
Actually
I
Guess
They
Call
Them
Mashes
It's
A
Mix
Of
The
Beatles
And
The
Beastie
Boys
Thus
The
Beastals
So
This
Is
A
Track
From
There
That
I
Liked
A
Lot
I
Think
This
Is
The
Second
Track
Off
The
Album
Not
Sure
Which
One
I
Was
Picking
And
That
Is
Going
To
Do
It
We're
Going
To
Wrap
It
Up
Episode
78
In
The
Books
Again
Alanka
Thank
You
For
Being
On
The
Show
And
To
All
Our
Listeners
We
Tell
Them
The
Same
Thing
We
Tell
Them
Every
Week
That
We
Will
See
Them
Next
Week
Same
Hack
Time
Same
Hack
Channel
You
Up
To
Speed
I
Special
I
Do
Find
The
Viser
Ain't
Selling
Out
To
The
Advertiser
What
You
Can't
Kiss
But
To
See
And
You
Don't
See
Be
Check
Here's
One
For
The
Bages
At
The
Upper
Tier
First
Time
All
Temper
Cheer
If
You
Run
A
Drink
On
Mr.
Belvedere
Brothers
Rap
Team
Like
A
Brigadier
I
Got
Kicks
On
The
Gun
Seven
And
Eleven
Snares
Off
The
Five
Thirteen
Strimes
Full of
Diamond
That's
The
Given
Well
Hot
This
Gon
Seen
Go
Down
With
The
Army
Got
The
Fraps
Sting
It's
All
For
The
Problem
After
Your
Tension
You
Got
Minutes
That
It
Got
Me
Tension
You
Like
A
Dish
My
Pitch
Your
Van
Wind
In
If
You
Wanna
Know
The
Real
Deal
About
The
Stream
Well
Let me
Tell
You
What
Trouble
Y'all
We
Better
Bring
You
Up
To
Speed
Check
It
What
To
My
You
Is
with the ice latte
TV is totally chaotic
I'm so trashed
I'm leaving nothing
Give me this video
I'm gonna be
No, I'll take you
If you wanna know
To be a deal
Or I'll see
If I'm gonna take a rich
I'm gonna show some y'all
We're gonna beat you
Up to speed
Take it out
3, 3, 3 is a magic
Yes it is, it is
It's a magic, magic
Somewhere in the edge
You get 3, 3
As a magic