This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats
You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Cause CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Hello everyone and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode number 79
Today is Tuesday, January 18, 2005
I am Stankdog and I am joined this week
Rejoined I guess I should say
By a returning host of ours
Desius is back on the show
Welcome to you my friend
Thank you very much
And we have got some very, very deep stuff
Coming up in the show with Desius
So before we do that
We're gonna go with the housekeeping like we always do
And actually welcome
A lot of new listeners that we've picked up lately
We've picked up quite a few listeners from iPodding
People are finding us on the iPod directories
And we were listed on quite a few
I went out and put the show on a couple sites here and there
And they propagate which is interesting
I've only ever added it to one or two
Yet I find us on dozens of them
So that's interesting
But to all of you who are picking us up for the first time on your podcast
Welcome to you
And you are welcome to listen to the show
And hopefully if you like it
You'll go back and listen to some of the back issues
And for those new listeners
And actually for some of our older listeners
Might not know a little bit of this history
I thought I'd go through kind of a quick history
Of Binary Revolution Radio
Because the thing is
We've been doing Binary Revolution Radio
For close to two years now
I mean this is episode 79
A weekly show
So we're getting up there
We're a year and a half plus
And before Binary Revolution Radio even
I was fortunate enough to be involved with
Another hacking freaking show
Called Radio Freak America
And I know some of our listeners have been there
Through all of that as well
So Radio Freak America
With Dual Parallel
Racks
Bland Inquisitor
A bunch of other great guys
And that show also
Lasted a couple years
They went through 99 episodes
So that's right at two years
So we've been doing this for quite a while
Podcasting you know
Is a fairly recent phenomenon
And it is great
It's a great medium distribution
I like it a lot
You still
If you're finding this show interesting
You might want to go back
And check out some of the back episodes
Past episodes
Reruns
Whatever you want to call them
And for RFA
For example
You want to go to
OldSchoolFreak.com
And you can
That's linked from
BinRev.com
Which is our main site
Binary Revolution
Is B-I-N-R-E-V dot com
BinRev.com
And you'll find
Like I said
The old episodes
Of Radio Freak America
As well as past episodes
Of Binary Revolution Radio
So if you do enjoy it
Please go back
And check it out
And actually
With RFA
With Radio Freak America
We're going to be launching
A new podcast
Even though the show
Is finished
With episode 99
Last year
Or a year or so ago
We're going to start
A new podcast
Starting back with episode 1
Because the shows
Are still very timely
Very up to date
Still talk about
A lot of things
That are very important
So we're going to
Probably be starting
A new podcast
From episode 1
And re-running that
Start to finish again
So that's something
That I'm looking forward to
And we'll be putting that
On Hack Radio
And for those of you
Who don't know
Binary Revolution Radio
Itself
We started streaming
On a station
Called Rant Radio
Which is
RantRadio.com
Which is
Up in Canada
And we've been on there
Since our very first episode
And we still stream there
To this day
Every Tuesday
Night
930 Eastern
630 Pacific
I believe
Is that right?
Yeah
And we also have
A new
Hacking radio station
So if you found this
Because you were looking
For technology
Talk on tech
And hacking
And freaking
And related topics
We have a radio station
Called DDP Hack Radio
It's all hacking
All the time
It's also available
It's on
Binrev.com
And you'll see
The link
Right on the front page
And on all the pages
That you can tune in
And listen
And it has
Binary Revolution Radio
At the time
I mentioned earlier
As well as
Lots of other shows
That are on the schedule
And you can go to
Again
Radio.binrev.com
Specifically
You can click on
Schedule
To see all the
Different scheduled shows
That are on there
We have shows
That come on
Each night
That are scheduled
So you can come home
And if you're playing
On the computer
You can listen
To this stuff
When they air
For the first time
At night
And the evening
Is when most
Of the programming is
Or the other cool thing
Is that
If you're like me
I code by day
I'm a programmer by day
So I'll go into
Headphones at work
And want something
To listen to
To stimulate my mind
And think about
Things at work
So we have a
Fallback rotation
On DDP Hack Radio
That has all of
The latest episodes
Of all of the
These shows
So if you did not
Catch it
When it aired
The first time
A lot of them
Get put into
The fallback rotation
So while you're
At work
You can listen
To a random mix
Of recent
Hacking shows
So it's a lot
Of good information
And it's something
That I had always
Wanted before
So being that
It wasn't out there
We made it happen
So if you're
Listening to
Binary Revolution
Radio and found us
Because you're
Interested in hacking
And hacking information
Check it out
Radio.binrev.com
And again you'll find
All that information
There
So that's
Basically a short
History
Probably not short
Enough for some
But that was a
Shorten history
So if you're
Joining us through
The podcast
I hope that you
Actually go back
And listen to
Some of the
Older episodes
And hope you
Stick around for a
Lot more
Because you know
If I don't say
So if I do say
So myself
I like to think
We're getting better
Each week we do
This
If not
Well I guess
I'm not doing
Too well
Oh so
Let's do
Some
Email
Desi
Are you with me
On some
Email here
Alright
Let's do
Okay let me
Let me do this
Little theme music
Here first
Okay and our
First email this
Week and we have a
Few I'm going to
Try to burn through
These because I know
We got a lot of
Great stuff to talk
About coming up
Our first email is
From Blue60
Or Blue60
Blue60
Who says
Mr. Stank
Who does the intro
And where can I
Find it
Just kidding
Greetings from Canada
Been listening since
Episode 25
I heard on
Ep73
I believe you were
Talking about
Hotmail and the
Storage limits
I have had my
Hotmail account since
Before Microsoft got
Their dirty hooks in it
A lot of people
Don't even remember
That Hotmail has not
Always been a
Microsoft product
By the way
Before they got
Their dirty hooks in it
And my account was
Boosted to 250
Megabytes of space
About a month
Before the notice
Was sent out
About the upgrades
But my girlfriend's
Account is still
Only at 2 megs
Just thought you
Would find that
Interesting
Also just so you
Know the show
Is being heard
All the way in
The Northwest
Territories
I know you love
Hearing about
Listeners in odd
Places
Keep up the
Kick ass show
I will be a
Listener as long
As long as you
Keep up the
Great rants
P.S.
I'd like to say
Thank you to
Duel for the
Timeless classics
Known as
Radio Freak America
On behalf of
Duel I know
He would say
Thank you
And great segue
That I just
Mentioned it earlier
People are still
Downloading it
It's still a
Great show
I listen to it
Myself once in a
While so
The introduction
Is done by
Zerl
Now I know
He was joking
About it
Because we get
A lot of
Emails of
People asking
But his
Site
Zerl.com
Z-E-A-R-L-E
Dot com
Is actually
Down right now
So I kind of
Used this
Email to
Mention to
Everyone
That yes
I know
That his
Site is
Down
I've
Emailed him
About it
I don't
Know what's
Going on
But I'm
Sure they're
Going to
Be working
To get
It up
Soon
Hopefully
Even by
The time
You're
Listening to
This
Maybe it
Will be
Back
Up
Now the
Hotmail
Thing
Yeah I
Mentioned
This before
About how
I seem
To not
Get my
250 meg
Bump
Until much
Much later
Than everyone
Else
Do you
Have
Decius
Do you
Have a
Hotmail
Account by
Chance
Um well
Sort of
I don't
I have
One but
I don't
Really use
It
I have
No idea
How much
Storage space
I have
Yeah see
That's
Kind of
The way
I'm
Getting
Now
I'm
Trying to
Pull away
From it
And just
Not use
It at
All
Anyway
So yeah
I do
Still use
It
Unfortunately
I still
Have it
Registered
At some
Places
And it
Takes
Time
To convert
Over
But yeah
I had
You know
It was
Two megs
Of space
And between
The spam
And everything
Else
It was
Just becoming
Useless
And they
Claimed
They were
Going to
Bump it
To 250
But they
Didn't
Do it
You know
They took
Their sweet
Time about
It
They announced
It on
One day
And said
That they
Were going
To be
Doing it
You know
Effective
Immediately
But I
Didn't
See it
Until
Months
Later
And obviously
This person
Here
Blue 60
Is saying
That his
Went up
To 250
Right away
But his
Girlfriend
Went down
Still at
Two megs
And hasn't
Gone up
So
They're
Rolling this
Out I guess
In phases
A little bit
At a time
So
You'd think
That by now
They would
Have it
Done
I know
Yahoo
Well I
Don't know
But I've
Never heard
Anybody say
That Yahoo
Didn't
Bump them
Up
They bumped
Everybody
Up to
250
Like all
At the
Same
Time
From what
I
Understand
And of
Course
They're
All playing
Catch up
To google
To gmail
Yeah
So
Well yeah
Interesting
I didn't
Realize
That there
Were still
People that
Didn't have
250
So yeah
That is
Interesting
To hear
That
I wonder
How much
Long are
They're
Going to
Take
I wonder
If it's
A matter
Of them
Maybe
The big
Microsoft
Can't afford
The hard
Drives
Maybe they
Can't afford
The storage
Space
It's pretty
Amazing
That google
Is offering
A gig
They've
Really
You know
They've
Really
Raised
The bar
But I
Mean
That's a
Fair amount
Of storage
Space
Yeah
And it's
Actually
There was
A program
And we
Talked about
On the show
In the past
As a matter
Of fact
I think I
Mentioned a
Week or two
Ago about
How there
Was something
Called gmail
FS
Which was
Somebody had
Written an
Application that
Would map
A drive
To your gmail
Account and
Use it for
Storage space
And that was
Really really
Cool
Yeah
I think that's
A neat idea
Yeah
And we all
Knew it
Wouldn't last
Long and it
Was shut
Down a couple
Weeks ago
It was
Notified
Yeah
So I
Mentioned that
On the show
We knew
That was
Coming
I mean
I don't
Think anybody
Was surprised
At that so
Much
But
I don't know
They let you
Store a gig
They let you
Store a gig
You know
Who cares
What kind
Of content
It is
Or how
You're accessing
It
Yeah
But they
I really
Don't see
You know
Well I guess
The gimmick
Is that they
Don't really
Want people
To use it
They aren't
Really giving
You a gig
And if you
You know
If you really
Have a gig
Up there
They'll find
Some way
For you to
To suddenly
Not have
So much
Storage space
Which is
Kind of crummy
Yeah but
They want
That
They want
To be able
To put
Those ads
On your
Email
They want
To be able
To put
Those ads
On the
Side
That's why
I also
Predict
That they're
Going to
Shut down
The free
Pop 3
Access
They claim
They're not
And it says
In their fact
They have
No intention
Whatsoever
Of ending
The pop
Three
But I
Suspect
That they're
I think
My prediction
Was that
They're either
Going to
End it
And start
Charging for
It
Or
They're going
To manipulate
Your messages
To send
Those ads
They're going
To embed
Them into
The individual
Emails
They'll claim
That they're
Not reading
Them
They'll use
Their computer
System to
Insert them
Harmlessly
They'll think
Into the
Emails
And then send
Them on to
Your pop
Three
But I don't
Think that
They're going
To provide
Free pop
Free access
For everybody
I don't see
Yeah that
That's a
Reasonable
That's a
Reasonable
Way for them
To deal with
That
Now
I said
I just
Decided to
Google this
It says that
Or the
GmailFS
Website says
I've received
Reports that
The formatting
Of the
Page has
Changed
Do we know
For sure
That they
Intended to
Shut down
GmailFS
Or do we
Think that
Maybe they
Just made
Some sort of
Change to
The way their
Page looks
That broke
The software
But wasn't
Really intended
To break
The software
I had heard
Reports in a
Couple places
That they
Had known
About it
And intentionally
Changed the way
They do things
To break it
Whether that
Was just a
Page design
Layout
Or style
I really
Would not
Know
I might
Have to
Look into
That for
The next
Episode
Or if
One of
Our listeners
Can confirm
That
By all
Means
Radio
At
Binrev
Dot com
Email us
And let
Us know
Oh and
Yeah
Greets to the
Northwest territory
I think that's
Really cool
I always love
As corny
As corny as
It may sound
I love
The fact
That there
Are people
In other
Countries
Listening to
Our show
I think
That's fantastic
I think
It's great
So shout
Outs to you
Guys up in
The great
White north
It's pretty
Amazing that
You can get
Good internet
Access up
There
You'd think
The penguins
Would you know
Mess up
All the
No penguins
All right
Shut up
Shoot me
Whatever
Second email
From
Hey it was
Funny
Second email
This week
Is from
Seekle
And I am
Pronouncing that
Correctly
This time
Seekle
Who says
Hello again
Listening to
Episode 78
Finally
And hear you
Mention me
Thanks for
The information
On the book
And yes
I will accept
The book
Thank you
Very much
For that
Name and
Address
Will be
Listed below
Which of course
I'm not going
To read on the air
Wasn't really
Expecting it to be
Read in the episode
Just answer your
Questions about
My last email
My boss is what
You would consider
A hacker as well
He is older
But one of the
Closest things
To an original
Hacker as you
Will find
He took an
Open source app
Used for tracking
Troubleshooting tickets
And completely
Rewrote it for the
Company we work for
He realizes that
A lot of the
Techs working for
Him are really
Into tech and
Computer geeks
And a few who
Consider themselves
Hackers based on
The original meaning
Of the word
Given this knowledge
When he came
Across Hack TV
He thought that
Most of us
Would like it
And most of us
Have
I've been trying
To let people
Know about the
Radio show
Because not many
People know
About it
Sequel
Pronounced
Sequel
As I'm
Pronouncing it
Just FYI
Is a transliterated
Hebrew word
That means
Wisdom
When deciding
On a
Moniker
I figured I
Would use
Something to
Represent my
Goal in
Life
One final thing
When you do
Release the
Next version of
Hack TV
I would like to
Offer to host
A mirror if
Possible
Oh man
There's a lot
Of good stuff
Here
Sequel again
Thank you for
The email
And anything
That comes into
Radio
Binrev.com
Is likely
To be read
On the air
Unless you
Specifically tell
Me otherwise
Send it to
Stankdog.com
Some of those
I might read
On the air
But anything
To radio
Is probably
Going to get
Read on the air
If it's
Something I want
To bring up
On the air
And in your
Case
This is a
Second
Both emails
That you sent
Have been
Really good
Points
That I wanted
To bring up
And Destias
You might not
Know the reference
Here but there
Was a book
That
Written by
Eric Giles
It's called
Terror Cell
And it is
A kind of
A
Oh gosh
How do I
Describe it
It is a
Book where
The main
Character
Is a
Hacker
And the
Hacker is
The good
Guy for a
Change
So it's
Kind of a
Suspense
Thriller
Story
But instead
Of being
The hacker
Terrorist
Bad guy
The hacker
Is actually
The good
Guy in the
Story
So
He has
Written for
Blacklisted
411
I've spoken
To him
An email
Quite a
Few
Times
Really
Good
Guy
And last
Week we
Told everybody
That it
Still has
Not published
But I do
Have a couple
Pre-release
Copies
Well actually
I don't
Now
Your
Pre-release
Copy
Sequel
I'm going
To send
It to you
As soon
As I
Can get
To the
Post
Office
So I
Will send
That out
Asap
And it's
Great to
Hear old
School guys
Teaching
Traditional
Hacking
To people
And you
Can tell
From the
Way
This email
Was worded
At least
I could
Reading
Between the
Lines
A little
Bit
That somebody
Gets it
So I
Like that
And also
If I
Can say
So I
Think that's
A great
Handle
Sequel
I think
That's
Very
Interesting
It has
A meaning
It has
A significance
And even
The way you
Worded it
That it's a
Goal in
Life
Is wisdom
I mean
Everybody
Should have
That goal
In life
I wish
More people
Had that
Goal in
Life
So I
Very much
Like the
Handle
Original
It has
Significance
And meaning
That's
Very cool
Handle
Oh
And a
Mirror
Thank you
For offering
A mirror
And we
Are going
To be
Needing it
Soon
Very soon
To needing
It
We just
Released a
Special episode
Of Hack TV
Called Pwned
And I
Don't know
I probably
Won't put you
On the spot
To SDS
Because you
Might not
Have had
Time to
Watch it
Yet
We released
A special
Show called
Pwned
Of Hack TV
That we
Filmed at
Freaknik
Where we
Were next
Door
Neighbors
By the
Way
And we
Could use
Mirrors
From that
For that
Right now
That one's
Fine
It's a
Smaller
Show
But when
Episode 2
Comes out
Sometime
Very soon
I'll probably
Put out a
Call for
Mirrors
In the
Forums
Or on
My
Personal
Website
So when
That time
Comes and
If you
Can still
Provide a
Mirror
That would
Be fantastic
Or anybody
That can
Provide a
Mirror
Because when
We release
The full
Real episodes
The site
Just gets
Hammered
And BitTorrent
Helps a little
Bit but
We're still
The main
Seed
And it
Still eats
Away at
Our bandwidth
So we
Definitely
Would appreciate
Anybody that
Can do
That
And for
Those of
You
Who
Don't
Know
About
Pwned
I
Actually
Released
Pwned
On the
15th
Of
January
A few
Days
Back
And I
Announced
It on
Stankdog.com
First
And then I
Updated
Binrev.com
And
HackTV.
Binrev.com
Shortly
After that
I'm
Trying
I don't
Want to
Rely
On the
Forums
All the
Time
We're
Creating
A lot
Of
Projects
And I
Want people
To go
To
Binrev.com
The main
Site
And check
Out for
News
And new
Projects
And things
Like that
I don't
Want people
Coming straight
To the
Forums
I know
That's
Like a
Very popular
Part of
The site
And everything
But you
Bypass
And you
Miss a
Lot of
Stuff
So
Check
The main
Page
And you'll
See all
Of our
Announcements
And all
Of our
Projects
And stuff
Because we're
Rolling so
Many out
Right now
So many
Projects
That it's
Just like
It's too
Much for me
To write out
And type
Up that
We're
It's so
Much work
Just to
Announce the
Projects
It seems
Like these
Days
So
Let's see
And I assume
You probably
Haven't seen
Pwned yet
Right
No I saw
Your discussion
Of it
But I
Haven't
Checked it
Out yet
Yeah that
Was filmed
You might like
It especially
Because like I
Said we were
Neighbors
There at
Freak Nick
And you'll
Recognize a lot
Of the scenes
And a lot
Of the people
In background
Etc etc
So you'll
Like it
You'll get
A kick
Out of it
I think
Alright
So let's
See
Email number
Three
Comes from
Nugget
Says I've
Been listening
To all the
Back episodes
For the past
Couple of
Weeks
Love the
Show
It is very
Awesome
And I
Listen to
About 18
Episodes
On my
MP3
Player
During school
Monday
Through
Friday
On the
Weekends
I listen
To about
18
Two
While I'm
Surfing the
Net
And reading
Up on
Pearl
Programming
Keep up
The good
Work
Almost
Through the
First
Season
Well
That's a
Lot of
Listening
That's a
Lot of
Stuff
To take
In
This
Guy's
Failing
Out of
School
Because he's
Listening to
Your radio
Show
I know
I was getting
Ready to make
That joke
And I'm like
Wait a minute
Listening to it
During school
Oh man
Am I
Contributing
To
Well not to
Sound like a
Jerk but
He might be
Learning more
From the show
Than he is
In school
But that's
That's a
Whole nother
Conversation
We won't go
There
I'm sure
He means
During
Study hall
And gym
Or something
Like that
I'm sure
He's not
Sacrificing
His education
Especially the
Kids
He's learning
I shouldn't
Say kid
The young
Man is
Learning
Pearl
Programming
At the
Same time
Too
So
Sounds like
He can
Handle
Multiple
Things at
Once
No yeah
But joking
Aside
You're listening
You say
You're almost
Done with
First season
So I
Assume
You probably
Started
From the
Beginning
Or something
Which is
Great
I believe
I kind of
Said this
At the
Opening
Of the
Show
I really
Believe
That the
Show is
Getting better
And better
Each week
I really
Believe that
And maybe
It's me
Being biased
Maybe it's
Just
I mean
I just
Like to
Think that
We're getting
Better and if
We're not
Getting better
Each week
Then I'm
Not doing
What I
Set out
To do
I mean
I want
To keep
Learning
And keep
Giving new
Information
And I guess
The more we
Do it
The more
Comfortable
We get
The more
You know
The easier
It is
I mean
It's getting
To the point
These days
Where we
Have to
Stop ourselves
After an hour
And a half
I mean
Honestly
Destius
You and I
Could make
This a
Four hour
Episode
Easily
If we
Didn't have
To go to
Work in
The morning
Man
Yeah we
Probably could
I mean
We can
Honestly sit
Here and
Just talk
And talk
There's just
So much
Information
And you know
Anyway
If you like
The first
Season
I think
I hope
You'll like
The second
Season
Even more
So the
At the rate
You're going
Dude
By the time
You hear
This
You will
Have listened
To all
Of them
Who knows
How many
Times
Actually it'll be
Interesting
Let's see if he's
Really going in order
He might not even
Hear his
Letter
His name
Read on the air
Until a month
Or two
From now
That could be
Fun
Alright so
Yes thank you
For listening
Let's see
Another email
From Deshi
I hope I'm
Pronouncing that
Right
Dude
First off
Once again
Stank
You have
Come through
With a piece
Of software
That is just
Genius
I tried out
Mambo
After hearing
You talk
Highly of it
On Binrev
I didn't come
Out with it
I just said
I liked it
Okay
But I know
What you mean
Well it's been
A couple of days
And I'm a
Addicted to it
Mambo makes
Keeping your site
Updated a simple
And easy task
I too am
Recommending anyone
Looking for a good
Content management
System to give
Mambo a try
Now
Wickedradio.org
That's one word
Wickedradio.org
Is running smoother
Than ever
And is more
Interactive for
My listeners
Thanks
Well again
You're welcome
I like
Mambo
I'm happy with it
I'm using that
On stankdog.com
Just my personal site
But I'm not
Really pushing it
Too hard
I just
You know
I just want
A content management
System for exactly
What you described
Putting up
Content quickly
Organized
Etc
I'd like to hear
If anybody's out there
That's running
A big site
A large
Or business
Production environment
On it
I'd like to hear
How stable it is
In a scenario
Like that
Most places
I see it
Are running
A small site
On it
Even a medium
Size site
That gets quite
A few hits
But you're not
Really taking
Advantage of a lot
Of the flexibility
And stuff
That I think
Might be there
So if anybody
Is pushing it
And has done
Some really
Extra creative
Stuff
Like I think
I saw Porsche
Porsche
Brazil
I think
Is running
Their site
On it
Or switching
Over to it
And that's
Something interesting
I'd like to see
How it handles
That kind of load
And for those
Who missed it
Go back to
Episode 76
This is 79
Go back
Three episodes
And that was
My review
Of Mambo
It was main
Topic of that
Show
So if you're
Interested
Go back
And check out
Episode 76
But yeah
Definitely
It's one of
The best ones
I've seen
I also still
Like E107
There's quite a
Few good
Content management
Systems out there
And then there's
Some that are
Over-engineered
Frankly
I'm not a fan
Of the
I'm not a fan
Of the PHP
Nuke
And the post
Nuke
I'm not a fan
Of them
Have you
Used any
Content management
Systems
For any
I mean
Obviously
Meme Streams
Is a whole
In-house
Custom
Yeah
I basically
Wrote my own
So no
I guess
I messed
With PH
Project
At one point
Because I was
I had a
Client
Who
You know
Could use it
But I
Really haven't
Delved into
That space
That much
Right
And yeah
Like you said
With Meme
Streams
And I guess
We might as
As well
Pimp
Meme
Streams
Dot net
Custom
That's
M-E-M-E
Streams
No one can
Spell meme
M-E-M-E-S-T-R-E-A-M-S
Dot net
Is all custom
In-house
Stuff
And
Did you
Mention to me
That you're
Making some
Changes to that
Soon
Or
Maybe we
Should wait
And talk
About that
In the
Show and tell
Coming up
Alright
Episode 76
For Mambo
Go check that
Out if you're
Interested
And our
Last email
This week
Is from
Let's see
Ruam
Fandango
I guess I'm
Saying that
Right
Ruam
Fandango
Who says
Hi there
Stank
I am a
Huge fan
Of Bin
Rev Radio
When I
Wrote this
Mail
I realized
That I've
Been listening
To the show
For almost
Exactly
One year
Now
Almost
Exactly
Never mind
Time flies
Being a
Crypto fan
I really
Enjoyed the
Episode with
Ilanka
You seemed
Very interested
In the topic
So I wanted
To let you
Know about
A great
Book on
Cryptography
It's called
Quote
Codebook
The Secret
History of
Codes and
Code Breaking
End quote
By Simon
Singh
I don't know
If I should
Read this
Yeah I'll
Read the
ISBN number
In case
Anybody
Wants to
Search on
Amazon
Or something
Like that
It's
ISBN
1
85702
889
9
If you
Don't
If you
Don't
Know
Anything
About
Cryptography
But want
To learn
More about
It
This book
Is perfect
To get
You started
It is
Not overly
Technical
But it
Will give
You a
Good overview
Of past
Present
And even
Future
Ciphers
How they
Work
But also
Their
Historical
Background
I remember
You saying
In one of
The recent
Episodes
You're not
Interested
In history
So you
Make it
A little
Bored
During
Parts
Of the
Book
Singh
Manages
To explain
All this
In a
Manor
Everyone
Can
Follow
But there's
More
At the
End
There's a
Section
Called
The
Cipher
Challenge
It consists
Of ten
Cipher
Texts
Waiting
To be
Broken
By you
Where you
Can apply
What you've
Learned
Throughout
The book
Starts
With simple
Ciphers
You can
Crack
With pen
And paper
And gets
More and
More complicated
Towards the
End
Talking
About new
Search engines
We're switching
Gears here
Talking about
New search engines
A few days
Ago I
Stumbled
Upon one
Which is
Specialized
In finding
Source
Code
It's
Located
At
www.coders.com
That's
Coders
With a
K
K-O-D-E-R-S
Coders.com
Besides the
Usual
Keywords
It lets
You search
For a
Specific
Language
And copyright
License
I haven't
Really looked
Into it
But it
Certainly
Does
Look
Interesting
I'm
Currently
Exploring
The
Uncharted
I.E.
Little
Documented
Territories
Of
Free
BSD
Raw
IP
Programming
If they
Get
Anything
Useful
Out
Of
It
That
Might
Be
Something
For
Doc
Droppers
Dot
Org
Okay
That's
Enough
For
Now
Keep
Up
The
Great
Work
Wow
Boy
There's
A lot
In this
To
Take
Apart
And
This
We
Saved
This
For
The
Last
Email
To
Kind
Of
Segway
Into
Our
Main
Topic
Later
On
That
Where
I'm
Going
To
Shut
Up
Finally
For
A
While
And
Desi
Is
Going
To
Do
A lot
More
Of
The
Talking
Here
Is
And
That's
Cryptography
Again
We're
Going
To
Into
A
Little
Bit
Further
Detail
Of
It
But
Yeah
Time
Definitely
Flies
I
Mean
Exactly
Almost
Exactly
One
Year
Which
I
Think
That's
A
Redent
That's
A
Conflict
Of
Words
There
But
Coders.com
I
Did
Go
Check
It
Out
That
You
Mentioned
In
Your
Email
K
O
D
E
R
S
Dot
Com
And
I
Liked
It
I
Thought
It
Was
Pretty
Good
It's
Kind
Of
Strange
And
Awkward
That
It's
Kind
Of
A
Natural
Word
Search
Engine
If
You
Will
To
Search
For
Source
Code
Which
Isn't
Exactly
An
Easy
Thing
To
Do
It's
Actually
Searching
The
Syntax
Actually
Searching
The
Source
Code
Itself
So
If
You
Had
Like
A
Particular
Function
That
You
Wanted
To
See
How
Someone
Else
Was
Using
It
How
The
Function
Call
Works
Or
Something
Like
That
Then
You
Can
Put
It
In
Search
And
By
Language
Etc
Which
Is
Kind
Of
Handy
But
If
You
Searching
By
Keyword
Like
I
Tried
To
Look
Up
A
Couple
Things
That
I
I'm
Working
On
And
Unless
There's
Comments
In
Stream
Which
Is
Something
I've
Said
On
The
Show
Many
Times
Comment
Your
Code
People
Put
Comments
In
There
Unless
They
Have
Comments
In
There
Kind
Of
Explaining
The
Code
Topic
And
Advanced
Searching
On
Any
Of
The
Search
Engines
Control
Strings
Literals
Etc
Stuff
Like
That
You
Should
Be
Able
To
Find
What
You're
Looking
For
Fairly
Easily
On
That
I
Think
That's
A
Really
Neat
Resource
I
Mean
A
Lot
Of
Times
You're
Working
On
A
Project
And
You
Need
A
Library
Or
Something
And
You
Don't
Want
To
Implement
It
Yourself
And
That
Might
Be
A
Fast
Way
For
Instance
I
Think
If
You
Have
A
Period
Inside
Of
You
Have
Word
Dot
Word
For
Example
It
Will
Remove
The
Dot
And
Treat
It
As
A
Space
Exactly
And
That
Can
Be
Frustrating
When
You're
Looking
For
Something
That
Say
You
Know
Like
A
Method
Within
An
Object
And
You
Get
All
These
Results
That
You
Know
That
Don't
Really
Relate
To
What
You're
Looking
For
You
Know
I
To
Be
A
General
Purpose
Tool
And
I
Think
That
You
Know
This
Isn't
Necessarily
The
Tool
That
I
Talking
About
Either
But
It
Would
Be
Need
To
See
Sort
Of
A
Search
Engine
That
Was
Designed
For
Technical
People
Who
Are
Looking
For
Technical
Information
And
Are
Searching
For
Things
Like
You
Know
Things
Like
Code
You
Know
I
Think
That
Is
A
Really
Neat
Idea
And
I
Think
There
Is
A
Lot
Of
People
Who
Need
That
Absolutely
And
I
Think
This
Will
Be
Successful
And
I
Hope
It
Is
Successful
And
If
Is
Anything
I
Can
Do
I
I'll
Mention
It
On
The
Site
And
Provide
Links
To
Something
Like
That
Maybe
I
Can
Take
A
Look
At
What
Somebody
Else
Has
Done
It
To
Figure
Out
What
I
May
Have
Done
Wrong
So
Not
Only
Saving
Reusable
Code
By
Not
Reinventing
The
Wheel
You
Can
Go
Find
Someone's
Code
Possibly
Use
Parts
Of
It
But
Also
Just
For
Simple
Debugging
You
Know
If
You're
Like
Me
It
Seems
Like
I've
Had
Bad
Luck
Where
I
Get
The
Assignments
At
Work
That
No
One
Else
Can
Do
So
When
I
Get
Stuck
Or
When
I
Get
To
A
Point
Where
I
Can't
Figure
Something
Out
I
Can't
Really
Call
Someone
Over
I
Can't
Say
Hey
Desius
Come
Take
A
Look
Over
My
Shoulder
Did
I
Miss
Something
Silly
Like
Am
I
Missing
A
Parenthesis
Somewhere
Is
There
Semicolon
Misplaced
Or
Something
I
Don't
Really
Have
That
All
The
Time
So
This
Would
Be
A
Good
Resource
For
Me
Simply
For
Debugging
So
That's
Kind
Of
A
Cool
Thing
To
Have
I
Wish
Every
Man
Page
In
Unix
Was
Connected
To
A
Discussion
Board
So
That
You
Pulled
Up
The
Man
Page
And
It
Wasn't
Really
Telling
You
What
You
Wanted
You
Press
A
Button
And
Links
Do
Technically
Yeah
You
Know
It's
Something
That
Kicked
Around
In
My
Head
Many
Moons
Ago
And
Never
Bothered
To
Do
Anything
With
But
This
Discussion
Reminds
Me
Of
It
You
Know
Sometimes
You
Just
Need
To
Talk
To
Some
People
About
What
You're
Doing
And
You
Know
Communities
Can
Develop
Information
That
Sits
Around
The
Sort
Of
Standard
Documentation
That
Can
Be
Helpful
So
It
Would
Be
Need
To
Do
That
But
I've
Never
Bothered
To
Try
Yeah
And
You
Know
What
That
I
Think
That
Would
Also
Be
A
Great
Tool
Of
Differentiation
Kind
Of
From
A
Business
Word
There
For
A
Distribution
To
Incorporate
You
Know
Obviously
I
Would
Want
All
Of
The
Man
Pages
To
Have
That
I
Think
It
Would
Be
Open
Source
It
Would
Have
To
Be
But
I
Think
The
First
Distribution
Generate
A Lot
Of
Interest
To
Their
Distribution
That
All
Of
Their
Man
Pages
Come
Tied
Back
To
Forums
At
Mandrake
That
Have
Exactly
What
You're
Talking
About
That
Well
To
Be
Honest
With
You
And
To
Do
This
I
Think
The
Term
Of
Lazy
Web
Where
You
Come
Up
With
An
Idea
You'd
Like
To
See
And
You
Know
Just
Start
Post
About
It
And
Hope
That
Someone
Says
Hey
That's
Good
Idea
And
Doesn't
You
Know
If
You
Were
To
Create
An
Alternate
Form
Of
The
Man
Command
Called
Like
T
Man
Or
Something
Like
That
Or
D
Man
And
You
Know
I'm
Sure
That
Debian
Or
One
Of
These
Other
Distributions
Would
Be
Happy
To
Pick
It
Up
And
That
That's
One
Way
To
Get
It
Started
Get
It
On
People's
Debian
Boxes
Get
On
People's
After
Gain
Some
Momentum
You
Know
I
Think
You
Get
To
See
Bigger
Distributions
Deciding
To
Switch
Over
To
It
Absolutely
So
There
You
Go
Somebody
Take
It
And
Run
With
It
And
See
The
Other
Thing
Is
Maybe
The
People
That
Are
Putting
Together
The
Distributions
Maybe
They
Have
The
Man
Power
Maybe
They
Would
Be
Willing
To
Do
That
As
A
Strategy
To
Set
Themselves
Apart
You
Know
Like
Yeah
That's
Interesting
RPM
Red Hat
Package
Manager
You
Know
That
Kind
Of
Became
Well
Anyway
Let's
Move
On
I'll
Stop
Right
There
I
Want
To
Say
Another
Thing
About
This
Email
Do
You
Mind
If
I
Continue
To
Preempt
You
Yeah
Go
Ahead
So
Like
I
Not
This
Book
Recommendation
For
A
Book
About
The
History
Of
Cryptography
And
There's
A lot
Of
Interesting
Cryptography
And
I
Have
Kind
Of
Off
The
Wall
Or
Kind
Of
A
Different
Perspective
Most
Of
Them
Talk
About
The
Military
History
Of
Cryptography
And
I
Have
My
Own
Book
Recommendation
Which
Talks
About
What
I
Would
Call
The
Computer
Underground
Rule
In
Artificial
Life
About
Lots
Of
Very
Interesting
Computer
Topics
In
The
Last
20
Years
He
Is
A
Pretty
Important
Internet
Age
Journalist
And
He
Wrote
This
Book
The
Subtitle
Of
This
Book
Is
How
The
Crypto
Rebels
Beat
The
Government
Saving
Privacy
In
The
Digital
Age
And
It's
About
The
Cypher
Punks
Who
Are
A
Group
Of
Hackers
In
You
In
San
Francisco
Silicon
Valley
Area
They're
Mostly
Centered
Around
There
There's
A
Few
In
England
And
The
Like
And
They
Have
A
Mailing
List
And
For
The
Last
Decade
Or
More
Actually
They've
Been
Talking
About
Crypto
And
Their
Goal
Is
To
Write
Useful
Crypto
Applications
That
Protect
People's
Privacy
And
To
Get
Them
Into
The
Hands
Of
People
And
You
Know
Cypher
Punks
Write
Code
They
Write
Crypto
Code
And
They're
A
They
Had
A
Lot
Of
Influence
On
The
Debate
That
Occurred
You
Know
As
Personal
Computers
And
I
May
Get
Into
This
A
Little
Bit
More
Later
But
You
Know
There's
Weak
Cryptography
That
You
Can
Do
In
A
Piece
Of
Paper
And
There's
Strong
Cryptography
That
You
Can
Do
In
A
Computer
Excuse
Me
And
When
People
Started
Getting
Personal
Computers
They
Started
Being
Able
To
Do
Strong
Cryptography
At
Home
And
That
Created
A
New
Environment
For
You
Know
Sort
Of
National
Intelligence
Agencies
Because
Traditionally
The
Way
That
They
Collected
Intelligence
Was
By
You
Know
Listening
To
Phone
Calls
Listening
To
You
Know
And
Listening
To
Other
Kinds
Of
Telecommunications
And
The
Prospect
Of
Everybody
Having
A
Cryptography
Device
In
Their
Living
Room
Was
Sort
Of
A
Radical
Change
For
Them
And
So
Their
Initial
Gut
Reaction
Was
To
Crush
It
And
There
Was
A
Policy
Debate
In
The
United
States
Throughout
The
Nineties
About
Things
Like
The
Clipper
Chip
And
The
Like
Where
You
And
About
Controls
On
Export
Of
Cryptography
Attempted
To
At
Least
Constrain
The
Development
Of
This
For
Some
Period
Of
Time
So
That
You
Know
The
Intelligence
Agencies
Could
Sort
Of
Figure
Out
How
They
Were
Going
To
Work
In
This
New
World
And
You
Know
The
Certainly
The
Cypher
Punks
Had
A
Great
Deal
Of
Influence
In
Sort
Of
Getting
This
Stuff
Into
People's
Hands
And
Really
Sort
Of
Influence
The
Debate
About
What
Our
Policies
Should
Be
About
People
Having
Cryptography
And
Whether
Or
Not
People
Should
Be
Allowed
To
Have
Cryptography
And
Whether
Or
Not
You
Should
Have
The
Right
To
Run
Those
Kinds
Of
Programs
On
Your
Computer
So
They
Been
Tremendously
Influential
And
This
Is
A
Really
Neat
Book
Because
It
Is
A
Really
Neat
Kind
Of
Group
And
It
Is
Recent
History
And
I
Think
That
This
Book
Will
Be
Very
Important
100
Years
From
Now
When
People
Look
Back
At
The
History
Of
Cryptography
They
Are
Going
To
Ask
About
The
Military
History
And
They
Are
Also
Going
To
Ask
About
This
It
Is
Just
As
Important
So
That
Crypto
By
Stephen
Levy
L-E-V-Y
So
Anyway
That's
My
Spiel
About
That
Cool
Very
Cool
And
Go
Check
Out
Amazon
Or
Any
Of
The
Other
Online
Sites
And
Do
A
Search
For
That
And
Let's
See
Without
That
Could
Go
Into
A
Whole
Another
Topic
And
Tangent
Too
But
Just
To
Put
My
Opinion
Out
There
On
The
Record
We
Have
A
Right
To
Privacy
In
This
Country
And
Tools
That
Assist
In
That
Right
I
Don't
Think
Should
Even
Be
Considered
To
Be
Banned
Or
Illegal
Or
Even
Questionable
I
Think
That's
Just
A
Silly
Notion
Just
To
Put
That
Out
There
Let's
See
And
Yeah
We're
Going
To
Go
Into
Some
More
Crypto
Stuff
So
In
A
Few
Minutes
But
Before
We
Oh
Sorry
He
Mentioned
Also
About
Dock
Droppers
Which
Since
He
Brought
It
Up
By
All
Means
Let
Me
Pimp
Doc
Droppers
Dot
Org
Of
Course
People
Listen
To
The
Show
Regular
You
Already
Know
That
We've
Been
Talking
About
That
Lately
But
This
Is
A
Library
Of
Hacking
Information
Articles
How
To's
We
Don't
Put
Up
Anything
That's
Copy
Written
Manual
But
If
You
Want
To
Write
Man
Pages
Type
Things
And
Step
By
Step
Stuff
Like
That
That's
What
It's
About
So
Almost
Nothing
Will
Be
Turned
Down
Other
Than
Copy
Written
Material
We
Want
To
Put
Together
A
Whole
Library
Of
All
Of
This
Kind
Of
Stuff
And
The
Only
Limit
That
We
Have
On
It
Is
The
Limit
Of
Whatever
Disk
Space
We
Have
As
Long
As
We
Got
The
Space
For
It
We
Want
Anything
And
Everything
That
Anybody
Wants
To
Submit
So
Please
Feel
Free
A
Lot
We
Been
Getting
A
Lot
Of
Visitors
To
The
Site
A
Few
People
Have
Added
Stuff
Already
A
Few
People
Have
Made
Suggestions
And
Comments
And
Things
Which
Is
Fantastic
Exactly
What
We
Want
So
Please
Keep
Adding
Stuff
And
If
This
Space
Does
Become
An
Issue
We
Accepted
From
Before
We
Started
This
Project
That
We
Are
Committed
To
Increasing
The
Space
If
It
Gets
To
The
Point
Where
It
Is
Big
Enough
That
We
Have
To
Expand
Hard
Drives
And
Pay
Extra
For
It
We
Think
That
This
Is
Valuable
Enough
That
We
Will
Do
It
So
By
All
Means
Anybody
That
This
Is
May
Sound
Kind
Of
Corny
To
You
Or
May
Kind
Of
Silly
But
The
Simple
The
Simple
Fact
Of
The
Matter
Is
The
Word
Cryptography
Is
In
A
Strange
Way
Intimidating
It
Just
Sounds
So
Overwhelming
And
I
Can't
Tell
You
Why
It
Just
Does
It
Just
Feels
Like
Whoa
Cryptography
I
Can't
I
Can't
Learn
Cryptography
That
Too
Complex
Cryptography
Is
Too
Hard
That
Too
You
Know
I
Don't
Know
Why
It
Has
That
Connotation
But
It
Does
For
Some
Reason
So
I
Am
Very
Interested
In
It
And
Now
That
I'm
Getting
You
Know
A
Crash
Course
If
You
Will
Along
With
The
Listeners
I
Mean
I'm
Learning
Along
With
The
Listeners
As
Far
As
This
Line
Of
Stuff
Goes
So
I
Am
Genuinely
Interested
The
About
Not
Being
Interested
In
History
That's
Not
I'm
Not
I'm
Not
Really
Interested
In
History
In
General
Like
I
Can't
Sit
And
Watch
The
History
Channel
And
You're
The
Exact
Opposite
Aren't
You
Mean
The
War
Channel
I
Love
The
War
Channel
Exactly
Like
Zero
DB
Zero
DB
Can
Sit
And
Watch
The
History
Channel
All
Day
Long
I
Can't
Stand
It
I
Can't
Stand
It
Just
It's
Over
And
Done
With
That
Kind
Of
History
Does
Bore
Me
But
Not
Technology
I
Am
Very
Much
Interested
In
Technology
And
History
But
In
A
Corny
Way
It's
Because
I
Live
Through
Some
Of
The
History
Of
Technology
You
Know
Makes
You
Feel
Old
Doesn't
It
Let's
Get
Into
That
Topic
Yeah
And
Actually
I
Am
So
Motivated
So
Interested
In
This
Now
That
I
Know
A
Little
Bit
More
About
It
I
May
Not
Be
Like
Real
Complex
Ones
And
I
May
Put
Together
A
Few
Simple
Things
Just
For
People
To
Play
Along
With
Just
For
Anybody
Who
Wants
To
Try
Along
With
Me
And
Maybe
We'll
Use
Some
From
This
But
You
Can't
Really
Because
Then
You
Get
Copyright
Issues
Yada
I'll
Try
To
Make
Something
Up
If
I
Get
Time
And
Maybe
I'll
Call
On
You
To
Help
Me
If
You
Have
Time
I
Know
We're
Both
Busy
People
But
Maybe
I
Can
Put
Something
Together
And
Have
Some
Occasional
Crypto
Challenges
On
The
Show
Just
For
The
Fun
Of
It
So
Yeah
Let's
Segway
Let's
Do
A
Quick
Show
And
Tell
And
Then
And
Kind
Of
Segway
We've
Already
Started
Talking
About
A
Lot
Of
Crypto
Stuff
But
For
My
Show
And
Tell
And
Researching
Is
The
Polite
Word
That
I'm
Going
To
Use
And
I'm
Going
To
Leave
It
At
That
The
Guys
Over
At
Infonomicon
May
Tell
You
Different
But
Don't
Trust
A
Word
They
Say
And
I've
Been
Doing
Some
Filming
And
Editing
For
Hack
TV
Episode
2
I
Actually
Did
That
Today
Before
I
Called
You
So
Did
Some
Hack
TV
Stuff
Today
Actually
I
Probably
Shouldn't
Say
This
But
Not
Only
Episode
2
But
Episode
3
So
We've
Got
Quite
A
Bit
Of
Footage
We're
In
The
Editing
Process
Hopefully
You'll
Be
Hearing
Something
Very
Soon
It's
The
Blurring
Process
Blurring
Out
Certain
Things
That
Takes
For
Freaking
Ever
And
Had
Some
Meetings
Talking
About
Some
Upcoming
Hacking
Conferences
And
We
Might
Have
Some
More
Announcements
Or
Things
To
Mention
About
That
In
The
Future
But
That's
Pretty
Much
Been
It
For
Me
This
Past
Week
And
How
About
You
I
Know
You've
Been
Hard
At
Work
On
What
Was
That
What
Was
That
New
Project
GTA
Yeah
Exactly
I've
Been
Absolutely
Useless
Since
I
Got
A
Copy
Of
Grand
Theft
Auto
San
Andreas
And
I'm
Not
A
Gamer
Really
You
Know
It's
Actually
Been
Several
Years
Since
I've
Got
Sucked
Into
A
Game
And
Get
Home
From
Work
And
Fire
It
Up
And
You
Know
Drive
Around
Start
Shooting
Stuff
And
You
Know
Next
Thing
I
Know
It's
Like
1
A.M.
And
I
Haven't
Done
Even
My
Email
Yet
And
I'm
Like
Man
I
Gotta
Go
To
Bed
So
You
Know
I
Don't
Know
It's
A
Long
Game
Man
I
Might
Be
I
Might
Be
Useless
For
A
While
But
I
Don't
Know
You
Asked
About
Meme
Streams
I
Guess
The
Thing
That's
Going
On
There
Is
That
We've
Got
A
Server
Now
For
Development
And
We've
Had
A
Number
Of
People
Who
Have
Been
Able
To
Get
Involved
Because
Of
That
You
Know
We
Had
Some
Roadblocks
To
That
Previously
Because
Of
The
Complexity
Of
Actually
Setting
It
Up
On
A
Machine
But
We
Now
Have
An
Environment
Where
People
Who
Want
To
Contribute
To
The
Development
Can
Come
And
Work
On
The
Project
Without
Having
To
Figure
Out
How
To
Get
It
Working
And
Some
People
Have
Made
Some
Selfless
Contributions
To
The
Project
And
For
That
We're
Very
Grateful
Because
We
Now
Have
A
Feeling
Like
We'll
Actually
Be
Able
To
Get
The
New
Revision
Of
The
Code
Out
To
The
Site
Sometime
And
It's
Should
Be
Contributing
More
To
That
But
Instead
At
Least
This
Week
I've
Been
Driving
Around
Shooting
People
You
Know
I
I'm
Pretty
Excited
About
That
I'm
Going
To
Take
That
Clip
Out
Of
Context
Of
You
Saying
I'm
Just
Driving
Around
Shooting
I
Want
To
Be
Like
I
Want
To
Be
Like
You
Know
When
I
Run
For
Office
I'm
Hoping
That
Everything
That
You
Know
I
Discussed
Here
On
Spin
Rev
Radio
Comes
Back
To
Haunt
Me
I
Was
Going
To
Say
I
Want
To
Be
Like
The
Real
Mass
Media
Take
Clips
Out
Of
Context
And
Splice
Them
All
Together
That's
Right
Yeah
Alright
Well
We
Have
To
Take
This
To
The
Next
Level
Thing
That's
Right
I'm
Trying
To
Take
It
Up
I'm
Going
To
Be
The
Next
What
The
Guy
That
Just
Quit
Dan
Rather
Yeah
I'm
Going
To
Take
His
Job
Yeah
Right
Believe
That
Nope
I
Think
I
Am
Sticking
Right
Here
With
Internet
Radio
Sticking
With
My
Family
As
It
Were
We
Have
A
Good
Solid
Half
An
Hour
To
Talk
About
Our
Main
Topic
Today
And
You're
One
Of
Your
Are
Of
Expertise
I
Guess
I
Should
Say
We
Talked
Last
Week
Of
Course
We
Had
Alonka
On
Who
Is
Again
A
Mutual
Friend
Of
Ours
And
She
Gave
Us
A
Great
Show
Talking
About
Cryptography
In
General
How
It
Works
Pattern
Recognition
A
Lot
Of
Theory
Level
Things
Of
How
And
Why
It
Works
And
You
Know
The
Interest
Factor
Of
How
To
Tell
And
Some
Things
You
Can
Do
By
Pen
And
Paper
Et
C
And
We
Also
Then
Went
On
To
Talk
About
How
That
Was
That
Just
The
Basics
And
The
Fundamentals
However
It
Gets
Very
Complex
Being
That
It
Is
A
Excuse
Me
I
Guess
I
Should
Say
It
Can
Be
A
Heavily
Mathematic
Based
System
And
So
Much
So
That
You
Can't
Do
It
In
Your
Head
You
Can't
Do
It
In
Pen
And
Paper
Or
Calculator
And
That
Is
Where
Computers
Come
In
Now
Unfortunately
We
Don't
Have
Time
To
Do
All
Of
That
In
One
Episode
So
Decius
Is
On
The
Show
This
Week
And
I
Thought
If
You
Indulge
Me
That
We
Would
Go
Through
Maybe
Some
Of
The
Application
Levels
Stuff
Of
Cryptography
And
Like
Where
It
Used
Why
It
Used
Some
Of
The
Well
Just
Generally
Just
The
Application
Of
Cryptography
As
We
Know
It
Because
As
Hackers
And
As
Computer
Geeks
Etc
When
We
Hear
Cryptography
At
Least
I
Guess
I
Should
Speak
For
Myself
When
I
Hear
Cryptography
It
Is
Always
In
Relation
To
Computers
You
Know
It
Is
Always
About
This
New
Algorithm
Or
This
New
Key
Structure
Or
This
New
Breakthrough
Etc
It
Is
Always
Computer
Based
Stuff
Now
That
We
Know
Why
It
So
Tied
To
Computers
Let's
See
How
It
Is
Used
For
Us
On
There's
First
Of
All
I
Guess
We
Should
Probably
Start
With
Something
As
Simple
As
Terminology
Again
We
Talked
About
Some
Basic
Terms
Last
Week
Like
What
Is
Cryptography
What
Is
Ciphertext
And
Plain
Text
Etc
There's
A
Couple
Important
Terms
Before
We
Really
Go
On
Is
That
Correct
Is
There
Sure
Specifically
I
Guess
Cause
I
I'm
Speaking
Slowly
Because
I
Want
To
I
Guess
The
Two
Of
The
Most
Fundamental
Things
Is
The
Type
Of
Keys
Being
Used
The
Type
Of
Technology
Behind
Them
One
Being
Well
I
Guess
It's
They're
Asymmetric
Or
Versus
Symmetric
Key
Systems
So
What
Is
One
Versus
The
I
Mean
What
Are
The
Applications
Of
The
Two
Of
These
What
Are
The
Differences
Okay
Well
I
Mean
Let
We
Step
Back
One
Step
And
Then
I'll
Step
Back
Into
This
Question
I
Mean
Cryptography
Is
Something
That
People
Have
Done
Since
The
Beginning
Of
Time
And
Up
Until
The
Invention
Of
Computers
Everything
Had
To
Be
Done
With
Pencil
And
Paper
Because
That's
All
You
Had
And
You
Know
There
Was
A
Short
Period
Of
Time
When
You
Had
These
Mechanical
Encryption
Machines
Like
During
The
Second
World
War
You
Know
That
Were
Slightly
More
Advanced
Than
Paper
But
You
Know
The
Computers
Really
Revolutionized
The
Space
And
So
Today
What
People
Do
For
Cryptography
Is
Way
More
Advanced
Than
You
Know
It's
Light
Years
Beyond
What
People
Were
Doing
Even
Fifty
Years
Ago
And
That's
Where
You
Get
Into
Computer
Technology
And
That's
Where
This
Stuff
Gets
Really
Intimidating
Because
It's
No
Longer
In
The
Real
World
A
Matter
Of
Sort
Of
You
Kind
Of
Creative
Code
Cracking
With
A
Piece
Of
Paper
And
A
Pen
You
Know
It's
Really
A
Matter
Of
Very
Elite
Mathematics
Applied
Mathematics
And
So
You
Know
It's
I
Guess
One
Of
The
Critical
Issues
And
I
Guess
The
Starting
Point
For
Many
People
In
Talking
About
Cryptography
Is
To
Ask
The
Question
That
You
Just
Asked
And
You
Know
In
A
Sort
Of
Idealistic
Crypto
System
That
You
Might
Sort
Of
Naively
Imagine
If
You
Don't
Have
Any
Experience
With
Cryptography
You
Would
Imagine
This
Program
On
Your
Computer
That
Encrypts
Files
And
It
Takes
A
Password
And
You
Run
This
Program
And
Give
It
The
Password
And
Encrypts
The
File
And
You
Memorize
The
Password
And
Later
On
You
Can
Come
To
It
And
Enter
Your
Password
And
Decrypt
The
File
And
That
Is
What
We
Call
Symmetric
Cryptography
And
The
Reason
It
Is
Called
Symmetric
Is
Because
You
Are
Using
The
Same
Key
To
Encrypt
And
Decrypt
The
File
So
If
You
And
I
Wanted
To
Exchange
Messages
Using
A
Symmetric
Crypto
System
We
Would
Have
To
Figure
Out
How
To
Share
The
Secret
Key
So
If
You
And
I
Met
Up
At
A
Con
Somewhere
I
Could
Give
You
A
Secret
Key
And
Then
When
We
Went
Back
To
Where
We
Live
We
Could
Send
Messages
That
Were
Encrypted
With
That
Secret
Key
To
Each
Other
And
We
Both
Have
The
Key
And
Could
Decrypt
It
So
Basically
We're
Just
Sharing
The
Password
Between
Us
Or
Sharing
The
Key
As
It
Were
Which
In
This
Case
Is
A
Password
Right
Okay
And
You
Know
What's
Happening
In
This
Program
Is
That
Some
Very
Advanced
You
Know
Algorithms
Are
Being
Used
To
Take
The
Information
In
This
File
And
Obfuscate
It
Both
By
Spreading
It
Around
And
By
Changing
One
Thing
Into
Another
Thing
And
So
That
The
Resulting
File
Is
Unintelligible
Without
The
Key
So
What
The
Problem
Is
Presented
By
The
Internet
Is
That
You
Know
A
Lot
Of
People
You
Want
To
Talk
To
On
The
Internet
You
Never
Met
In
Real
Life
And
You
Not
Going
To
Meet
In
Real
Life
And
You
Might
Want
To
Send
A
Private
Message
You
Might
Want
To
This
Is
Whitfield
Diffie
Explanation
And
I
Think
It's
Really
Good
You
Might
Want
To
Whisper
To
Someone
On
The
Internet
And
You
Want
To
Be
Able
To
Whisper
To
Somebody
On
The
Internet
And
The
Problem
There
Is
That
You
Know
In
Or
With
Symmetric
Cryptography
In
Order
To
Be
To
Do
That
You
Have
To
Exchange
A
Key
And
In
To
Exchange
A
You
Can't
Send
The
Key
Out
Over
That
Channel
Because
Then
They
Will
Have
It
So
And
We
Feel
Diffie
Invented
This
Along
With
Martin
Hellman
And
It
Was
Simultaneously
Invented
By
This
Guy
Named
Ralph
Merkel
But
He
Invented
The
Concept
Of
Public
Key
Cryptography
Or
What
Should
Be
Called
Asymmetric
Cryptography
And
Asymmetric
Cryptosystems
Have
Two
Keys
Instead
Of
One
And
When
You
Encrypt
The
Message
With
One
Key
You
Have
To
Use
The
Other
Key
To
Decrypt
It
And
It
Works
Both
Ways
In
Most
Cases
Different
Systems
Work
Differently
But
In
Most
Cases
If
You
Encrypt
The
Message
With
Key
One
You
Have
To
Decrypt
It
With
Key
Two
And
If
You
Encrypt
The
Message
With
Key
Two
You
Have
To
I'm
Not
Sure
If
You
Misspoke
Or
If
I
Misheard
You
There
But
If
You
Encrypt
It
With
Key
One
You
Have
To
Decrypt
It
With
Key
Two
But
If
You
Encrypt
It
With
Key
Two
You
Can
Decrypt
It
With
Key
One
Exactly
Okay
It
Works
Both
Ways
You
Have
Two
Keys
And
If
You
Encrypt
With
One
Of
The
Keys
Either
One
Then
You
Have
To
Use
The
Other
Key
To
Decrypt
Gotcha
Now
Without
Going
Into
The
Detail
Of
The
Individual
Algorithms
Are
There
Overlap
Can
The
Same
Algorithms
Be
Used
With
Symmetric
That
Are
Used
With
Asymmetric
Is
That
Is
The
Algorithm
Itself
Irrelevant
To
The
Application
Type
No
It's
Not
Certain
Algorithms
Provide
An
Asymmetric
System
And
Certain
Algorithms
Provide
A
Symmetric
System
I
Don't
Know
Of
I'm
Not
Going
To
Declare
That
It's
Impossible
For
One
Might
Be
Invented
But
I'm
Not
Familiar
With
Any
I
Don't
Think
That
We
Know
Of
Any
Or
That
Anyone
Has
Invented
One
I
See
And
What
You
See
I'll
Get
Into
This
I'm
Getting
A
Little
Bit
Ahead
Of
Myself
Here
But
Sometimes
You
See
Hybrid
Systems
Where
You
Use
A
Asymmetric
Crypto
System
To
Do
Key
That
You
Have
A
Symmetric
Crypto
System
Because
Symmetric
Crypto
Systems
Are
Usually
Faster
But
We'll
Talk
About
Later
So
The
Thing
You
Can
Do
With
Asymmetric
Crypto
Is
You
Can
Do
A
Public
And
Private
Key
Setup
Where
There's
Two
Keys
If
You
Encrypt
With
One
You
Have
To
Decrypt
With
The
Other
So
You
Take
One
Of
Them
And
You
Declare
Your
One
On
The
Internet
So
Can
You
Think
Can
You
Think
Can
You
Think
Of
Your
Private
Key
Then
Back
To
Early
I
Know
It's
I
Know
We're
Talking
About
Asymmetric
Now
But
Can
You
Think
Of
It
Like
The
Symmetric
Example
Earlier
Where
Your
The
Private
Key
Out
Of
That
Pair
Is
Like
Your
Private
Password
That
Only
You
Know
That
You
Keep
Right
And
Your
Public
Key
The
Shout
It
From
The
Mount
Top
You
Can
Post
It
To
IRC
You
Know
Everyone
Should
Get
It
Gotcha
And
There's
No
And
That's
How
It
Works
So
The
Way
This
Works
If
You
Think
About
It
Messages
That
You
Encrypt
With
One
Key
Should
Be
Decrypted
With
The
Other
One
So
When
Someone
Wants
To
Send
You
A
Message
On
The
Internet
You
Told
Everybody
Your
Public
Key
So
Everybody
That
On
Meme
Streams
You
Have
Your
Public
Key
Up
There
Am
I
Correct
With
That
That's
True
If
You
Go
To
My
Profile
On
Meme
Streams
It's
Right
There
So
That's
How
You're
Saying
Publicly
You
Put
It
On
The
Building
You
Put
It
Out
There
To
Everywhere
So
If
I
Wanted
To
Send
You
A
Message
And
Have
Faith
Or
Trust
That
It
Was
Going
To
Encrypted
That
Only
You
Would
Receive
It
By
Using
Your
Public
Key
And
The
Example
You
Said
Earlier
By
Using
Your
Key
The
Only
Way
To
Decode
It
Is
By
Using
Your
Private
Key
So
If
I
Encrypt
Using
Your
Public
Key
I
Know
That
You're
The
Only
Person
Theoretically
That
Can
Open
That
That's
True
If
You
Encrypt
With
The
With
My
Public
Key
Then
The
Only
Person
That
Can
Read
The
Message
Is
Me
Because
The
Only
Key
That
Can
Decrypt
The
Message
Is
The
Private
Key
And
I'm
The
Only
Person
That
Has
It
Again
Now
Back
In
Your
Previous
Example
I
Mentioned
That
In
Your
Symmetric
You
Were
Talking
About
Just
Basically
It's
Really
More
Like
A
Simple
Password
Example
That
You
Gave
Us
You
Can
Verbally
Tell
Someone
Your
Password
And
Share
Or
Could
Someone
Not
Steal
The
File
Or
Steal
Your
Private
Key
Somehow
And
Therefore
Be
Able
To
Decode
Your
That
Email
That
Was
Intended
Only
For
You
They
Could
That's
Why
It's
Very
Important
That
You
Keep
Your
Private
Key
Private
Now
I
Don't
Want
To
Get
Off
On
A
Tangent
Because
I'm
Going
To
Make
Things
Too
Complex
But
There
Is
A
Case
Where
You
Might
Want
To
Do
That
And
It's
A
Very
Special
Case
Called
A
Subliminal
Channel
But
Maybe
We'll
Talk
About
That
Another
Time
In
General
Your
Private
Key
Is
Private
And
You
Don't
Want
To
Let
Anyone
Touch
It
Usually
What
Programs
Will
Do
Is
Encrypt
Your
Private
Key
With
A
Symmetric
Cipher
And
You'll
Have
To
Remember
A
Password
For
The
Symmetric
Cipher
In
To
Unlock
Your
Private
Key
So
You
Can
Read
Your
Messages
But
A
Lot
Of
Times
What
People
Like
To
Do
Is
Keep
Their
Private
Key
Maybe
On
One
Of
Those
USB
Tokens
That
You
Keep
In
Your
Pocket
So
It's
Always
On
Your
Person
And
No
One
Can
Get
It
Copy
Off
Your
Hard
Drive
When
You're
Not
Around
Some
Smart
Cards
That
You
Get
Are
Specifically
Designed
To
Have
Private
Keys
In
Them
And
To
Do
Private
Key
Operations
Without
Exposing
The
Key
They're
Supposed
To
Be
Tamper
Proof
They're
Not
Totally
Tamper
Proof
But
They're
Very
Expensive
To
Tamper
With
In
Order
To
Get
The
Private
Key
Out
Of
Them
Yeah
And
Another
Example
I
Think
Would
Be
A
Good
Application
Of
Protecting
Is
A
Level
Of
Physical
Security
Which
Is
Always
Good
To
Have
A
Comb
Nation
I've
Seen
That
They're
Not
As
Cheap
As
A
Regular
USB
Drive
But
I
Know
They
Make
USB
Thumb
Drives
That
Actually
Use
Fingerprint
Technology
Now
Yeah
We
Can
Go
Into
A
Whole
Tangent
On
How
That
Could
Be
Faked
As
Well
But
In
Generally
Speaking
If
You
Were
To
Put
Your
Private
Key
On
The
USB
Card
And
Then
Have
That
Layer
Of
Security
Where
Only
Your
Thumb
Print
Could
Then
Access
That
USB
Key
That
Adds
Two
Layers
To
Your
Protection
Because
It's
I
Mean
As
Silly
As
It
Sounds
Somebody
Could
Jack
You
Up
And
Take
Your
USB
Key
With
Now
Your
Private
Key
On
It
You
Know
Some
Three
Letter
Well
True
But
Some
Three
Letter
Agencies
May
Confiscate
Your
You
Know
Your
USB
Drive
And
Now
They've
Got
Your
Private
Key
And
They
Can
Be
Yeah
So
I
Mean
The
Reality
Is
That
You
Have
To
Be
Serious
About
Keeping
Your
Private
Key
Private
But
I
Want
To
Talk
About
Another
Interesting
Element
To
This
Which
Remember
When
I
Said
You
Encrypt
A
Message
With
One
Key
And
Then
You
Decrypt
It
With
The
Other
One
So
In
Our
First
Use
Case
Someone
Is
Sending
Me
A
Message
So
They
Are
Encrypting
The
Message
With
What If
We
Did
Things
The
Other
Way
Around
What
If
I
Were
To
Encrypt
The
Message
With
My
Private
Key
And
Send
It
Out
And
Everybody
Could
Decrypt
It
With
My
Public
Key
Which
Everyone
Has
What
Would
Be
The
Purpose
Of
That
You
Know
If
Anybody
Can
Read
The
Message
What's
The
Point
Of
Encrypting
It
Well
The
Value
Is
That
They
Know
That
I
Sent
It
Because
Only
I
Have
My
Private
Key
I
Have
Done
A
Good
Job
Of
Keeping
People
From
Stealing
It
From
Me
And
So
Only
I
Could
Have
Encrypted
This
Message
In
Such
A
Way
That
It
Could
Be
Decrypted
With
My
Public
Key
And
So
It
Is
A
Digital
Signature
That
Is
An
Excellent
Example
And
I
Know
Exactly
Where
You
Going
That
Is
An
Excellent
Example
So
You
Know
That
Really
The
Two
Interesting
Things
That
At
A
Fundamental
Level
Asymmetric
Cryptosystems
Offer
The
First
Is
The
Ability
To
Do
Encryption
For
The
Sake
Of
Privacy
Without
Having
To
Meet
Up
To
Exchange
A
Password
And
The
Second
Is
The
Ability
To
Authenticate
Or
To
Sign
Documents
So
That
You
Know
Where
They
Are
Coming
From
And
Those
Are
Both
Used
In
All
Kinds
Of
Systems
In
Production
In
The
Internet
Everyone
Uses
Them
Every
Day
Because
They
Enable
TCP
Sockets
Between
Computers
To
Be
Encrypted
And
To
Exchange
Keys
For
Encryption
And
They
Also
Enable
Internet
Access
To
Be
Authenticated
So
That
We
Know
Who
Is
Attempting
To
Use
A
Computer
And
Whether
Or
They
Are
Authorized
To
So
I
See
Now
That
Last
Example
That
You
Gave
Then
That
Is
Assuring
People
That
It
Came
From
You
By
Using
That
Public
Key
Now
That
Is
Something
That
Can
Be
Applied
In
A
Lot
Of
Other
Ways
Actually
I'm
Sorry
Let me
interject
Another
This
Question
Just
Popped
Into
My
Head
While
We're
On
This
Would
There
Be
Any
Point
Whoa
I
Just
Went
Right
In
The
Micro
With
That
Sorry
About
That
To
The
Reway
Hand
Off
For
The
Encryption
I
Mean
Let's
Say
Is
There
Any
Point
For
Example
You
Encrypting
Something
With
Your
Private
Key
Sending
It
To
Me
For
Whatever
Reason
As
An
Intermediary
Where
I
Then
Encrypt
It
With
My
Private
Key
So
It's
Doubly
Encrypted
And
Then
Send
It
On
So
That
The
Receiving
Person
Has
To
Have
Both
Of
Our
Permissions
To
Get
That
An
Interesting
Question
There
Are
Protocols
That
Work
That
Way
And
It's
Usually
A
Situation
Where
And
People
Like
To
Talk
About
Crypto
In
Terms
Of
A
Cast
Of
Characters
That
Are
Named
After
The
Alphabet
You've
Got
Alice
Bob
Carol
Dave
Eric
You
Know
A
B
C
D
E
So
I'll
Talk
In
Those
Terms
Alice
And
Bob
Are
Engaged
In
A
Deal
Of
Some
Sort
Like
Maybe
On
Something
And
Alice
Doesn't
Trust
Bob
Doesn't
Trust
Alice
And
So
They
Need
A
Third
Party
To
Sort
Of
Be
An
Intermediary
For
Them
In
General
And
We
Usually
Call
The
Trusted
Third
Party
Trend
Because
It
Starts
With
A
T
And
You
Know
In
One
Simple
Application
The
United
States
Post
Office
Actually
Does
This
You
Can
Send
Your
Message
To
Which
You
Would
Have
Maybe
Digitally
Signed
You
Would
Have
Encrypted
It
With
Your
Private
Key
You
Send
The
Message
To
The
U.S.
Postal
Service
And
They
Will
Encrypt
It
With
Their
Private
Key
And
They'll
Put
A
Time
Stamp
On
It
Which
Demonstrates
That
They
Saw
This
Document
At
This
Time
And
Nobody
Trusts
You
When
You
Show
Up
With
This
Document
And
You
Say
I
Wrote
This
Document
On
November
1st
2001
They
Don't
Believe
You
But
You
Know
If
You
Get
It
Signed
By
The
United
States
Post
Office
People
Trust
The
United
States
Post
Office
And
So
They
Will
Trust
You
That
This
Document
Was
Written
When
It
Was
Supposed
To
Be
Written
All
Right
Now
Yeah
Absolutely
I'm
Not
Sure
About
Trusting
The
Post
Office
But
Okay
Yeah
We'll
Go
With
The
Example
Maybe
You
Don't
Trust
The
Post
But
It
Doesn't
Matter
Who
Trent
Is
That's
An
Example
The
U.S.
Post
Office
Sells
This
Service
Because
The
U.S.
Post
Office
Thinks
People
Trust
Them
You
Know
Anybody
Could
Be
Trent
It
All
Matter
Who
You
Trust
Yeah
I
Got
You
And
Actually
That
Leads
Into
Another
Question
Is
First
Of
All
These
Things
Now
That
You
Explaining
It
This
Way
What
Springs
To
Mind
Is
Central
Certification
Authorities
Is
That
Is
That
The
Proper
Term
Digital
Yeah
Okay
Well
When
You
Think
About
This
Whole
System
For
Where
I
Put
My
Public
Key
Up
On
Meme
Streams
For
Example
For
You
To
Download
You
Know
What
What's
The
Problem
With
This
The
Problem
Is
That
How
Do
You
Know
Especially
On
The
Internet
That
You
Are
Really
Getting
My
Key
How
Do
You
Know
Someone
Is
Tampering
With
It
Someone
Could
Be
My
Website
And
You
Know
In
Inserting
A
Different
Key
Instead
Of
My
Key
You
Know
And
Actually
Maybe
I
Should
Discuss
Man
In
The
Middle
The
Way
Man
In
The
Middle
Works
So
In
Sort
Of
An
Idealistic
System
You
We'll
Talk
About
Alice
And
Bob
Again
And
Say
Alice
And
Bob
Want
To
Do
Public
Key
For
Encryption
For
The
Purpose
Of
Privacy
So
Alice
Gets
Bob
Public
Key
From
Bob
Website
And
Bob
Gets
Alice's
Public
Key
From
Alice's
Website
And
Alice
Can
Encrypt
Messages
To
Bob
With
Bob
Public
Key
And
Bob
Can
Encrypt
Messages
To
Alice
With
Alice's
Public
Key
So
Let's
Say
You
Do
This
Now
Let's
Say
We
Have
This
Evil
Player
Who
Gets
In
And
Mucks
Stuff
Up
And
Her
Name
Is
Usually
Mallory
Because
It
Starts
With
An
And
When
Alice
Tries
To
Get
Bob's
Public
Key
From
Bob's
Website
Mallory
Fools
Alice
And
Presents
Mallory's
Public
Key
Instead
And
So
Alice
Thinks
That
She
Got
Bob's
Public
Key
But
Actually
She
Got
Mallory's
Public
Key
And
So
When
The
Same
Thing
Happens
To
Bob
When
Bob
Tries
To
Get
Alice
Public
Key
He
Ends
Up
Getting
Mallory's
Public
Key
Instead
Of
Alice
Public
Key
So
When
Alice
Goes
To
Send
A
Message
To
Bob
Instead
Of
She
Thinks
She
Encrypting
It
With
Bob's
Public
Key
But
She
Encrypting
It
With
Mallory's
Public
Key
And
Mallory
Intercepts
This
Message
Decrypt
It
Reads
It
And
Then
She
Encrypts
It
With
Bob's
Public
Key
And
Sends
It
On
Bob
And
Bob
Gets
Wiser
That
That's
Kind
Of
A
Complex
Thing
To
Explain
Without
A
Drawing
Does
It
Make
Sense
It
Absolutely
Makes
Sense
Nobody
Knows
That
Even
Took
Place
Because
The
Person
In
The
Middle
The
Man
In
The
Middle
Or
The
Woman
In
The
In
This
Case
Had
Both
Of
The
Keys
That
He
Or
She
Needs
That
They
Would
Never
Know
She
Was
There
Based
On
Their
Correspondence
Anyway
Not
Without
Some
Other
Mistake
So
That's
A
Big
Problem
With
These
Systems
On
The
Internet
And
Different
Tools
Have
Different
Ways
Of
Addressing
Them
Most
People
Are
Probably
Familiar
With
SSH
And
They
Might
Have
Seen
What
Happens
When
You
SSH
To
A
New
Computer
Or
Maybe
If
You
SSH
To
An
Old
Address
But
The
OS
Has
Been
Reinstalled
Or
Something
You
Get
This
Big
Warning
Message
And
That Says
Warning
You
Know
The
Key
Identity
For
This
Computer
Has
Changed
Something
Bad
Might
Be
Happening
You
Know
What
I'm
Talking
About
Yep
And
Most
People
Just
Click
Right
On
Through
It
That's
Right
Well
What
The
Thing
That
Happens
When
You
Use
PGP
For
The
First
Time
And
You
Communicate
With
Somebody
Or
Sorry
SSH
Use
SSH
For
The
First
Time
And
You
Communicating
With
Somebody
You
Do
You
Actually
Store
A
Sort
Of
Fingerprint
Of
Their
Public
Key
On
Your
Hard
Drive
So
That
The
Next
Time
That
You
Connect
To
Them
You
Can
Make
Sure
That
The
Key
That
You're
Getting
Is
The
Same
One
You
Got
The
Last
Time
So
If
You
See
Suddenly
That
You're
Trying
To
Connect
To
Them
And
You're
Getting
A
Strange
Key
That
You
Don't
Recognize
It
Might
Be
That
You're
Not
Getting
Bob's
Key
You're
Getting
Mallory's
Key
And
That's
Why
That
Message
Pops
Up
Now
Most
People
Don't
Understand
It
So
Unfortunately
You
Know
Man
The
Middle
Attacks
Against
SSH
Connections
Are
Somewhat
Successful
Because
Users
Don't
Know
They
Don't
Understand
Cryptography
They
Don't
Know
What's
Happening
When
That
Message
Pops
Up
And
They
Just
Click
OK
I
Think
They
Do
Now
I
Think
That
Is
Very
Good
Example
I
Think
You
Explain
It
Very
Well
And
I
Think
They
Absolutely
Do
Now
There
Is
A
Reason
That
Message
Pops
Up
And
I
Do
Think
That
You
Made
It
Clear
As
To
Why
It's
Important
I
Absolutely
Do
So
Another
Way
Of
Addressing
That
Problem
Is
With
Certificate
Authorities
And
That's
What
VeriSign
Does
Everyone's
Pretty
Familiar
With
Them
Now
To
Put
In
My
Snide
Comment
Here
I
Don't
Like
VeriSign
Because
Of
Site
Finder
And
So
I
Really
Don't
Like
Doing
Business
With
Them
I
Tend
To
Get
My
Certificates
From
A
Company
Called
Geo
Trust
Who
I
Have
Had
Good
Experiences
With
But
I
You
Know
It's
Easy
To
Talk
About
VeriSign
Because
They're
Much
More
Well
Known
Than
Geo
Trust
Is
But
What
They
Do
Is
They
Act
Like
Trent
The
Same
Trent
That
Was
In
Our
Post
Office
Protocol
Where
They
Everyone
Trust
VeriSign
Har
You
Know
If
You
Want
To
And
You
Can
Actually
Get
A
Personal
Identity
Certificate
From
Them
Where
You
Actually
Go
Up
There
And
You
Say
My
Name
Is
Stank
Dog
And
This
Is
My
Public
Key
And
VeriSign
Will
Digitally
Sign
Your
Public
Key
With
Their
Key
And
Give
You
Back
This
Thing
Called
A
Certificate
Which
Is
You
Know
Your
Public
Key
Signed
By
Their
Private
Key
And
Everyone
Has
Got
VeriSign
Public
Key
It
In
Microsoft
Windows
It
In
Your
Web
Browser
You
Know
Everyone
Got
It
So
If
You
Present
Your
Certificate
To
Them
They
Can
Verify
That
VeriSign
Signed
It
And
So
Maybe
They
Trust
That
Your
Public
Key
Really
Is
Your
Public
Key
Because
VeriSign
Says
It
Is
Yeah
But
What
Okay
How
Does
Their
Where
Does
The
Communication
Take
Place
Like
What
If
VeriSign
Got
DDoS
What
If
VeriSign
Went
Off
The
Web
What
If
Their
Box
Just
Exploded
They
Don't
Need
To
Be
Online
When
You
Actually
Validate
The
Certificate
They
Don't
Because
You
Already
Have
VeriSign
Public
Key
And
Usually
When
You're
Doing
Certificates
The
Person
Who
You're
Communicating
With
It
Will
Give
You
Their
Public
Key
Wrapped
As
A
Certificate
So
You
Get
It
And
Then
It's
Got
This
Block
That's
VeriSign
Saying
You
Know
This
Really
Is
Stink
Dog's
Public
Key
And
You
Can
Validate
VeriSign
Signature
Because
You've
Got
VeriSign
Public
Key
Does
That
Make
Sense
So
You
Don't
Need
To
Send
Any
Messages
Over
The
Network
To
VeriSign
To
Ask
Them
Any
Questions
They
Already
It's
Sort
Of
Like
If
You've
Got
A
Piece
Of
Paper
So
You've
Got
Two
Signatures
On
This
On
This
Contract
And
Then
You
Send
It
To
Somebody
And
They
Can
Verify
That
Is
VeriSign
Signature
And
So
They
Don't
Need
To
Talk
To
VeriSign
In
Order
To
Do
That
Well
Isn't
That
Kind
Of
What
I
Explained
Earlier
In
My
Example
Where
I
Said
What
If
I
Added
A
Third
Person
You
Sent
Something
To
Me
Then
I
What
VeriSign
Is
Doing
They
Are
Trent
So
What
Is
The
Difference
Between
I
Mean
Why
Should
I
Trust
VeriSign
Or
This
Other
Company
You
Mentioned
Or
Any
Other
One
What's
To
Stop
I
Mean
I
Could
Make
The
Stank
Dog
Digital
Certification
I
Mean
Yep
You
Could
Now
What
Would
Happen
Is
If
You
Went
To
Microsoft
And
Said
I
Want
You
To
Include
The
Public
Key
For
Stank
Dog
Certificate
Authority
In
Internet
Explorer
Microsoft
Would
Kindly
Tell
You
To
Go
Away
I
Don't
Know
How
Kind
It
Would
Be
But
So
You
Know
There
Are
Certain
Companies
That
You
Know
A
Lot
Of
It
I
Mean
It's
Complex
But
Maybe
It
Has
To
Do
With
Reputation
Capital
VeriSign
Has
Done
A
Good
Job
Building
Up
A
Reputation
In
The
Market
Of
Being
An
Arbiter
Of
Trust
On
The
Internet
And
So
They
You
Know
People
Tend
To
Recognize
That
Maybe
They
Would
Never
Have
Heard
Of
Staked
Dog
Certificate
Authority
So
You
Know
And
Then
The
Browser
Manufacturers
Try
To
You
Know
They
Think
About
Whose
Public
Keys
They
Put
In
Their
Browser
And
They
Are
Not
Going
To
Put
A
Public
Key
In
Their
Browser
If
They
Think
That
The
Company
Who
Manages
It
Is
Scummy
But
At
The
Same
Time
I'll
Say
Two
Things
First
Of
All
It's
Really
Easy
To
Add
A
New
Certificate
Authority
Into
Your
Installation
Of
Microsoft
Windows
So
Maybe
If
Your
Friends
Trust
The
Stank
Dog
Certificate
Authority
More
Than
They
Trust
Microsoft
They'll
Take
Your
Public
Key
And
Install
It
In
The
OS
Themselves
And
They'll
Trust
The
People
That
You
Certified
Right
And
That's
What I
Was
Getting
Ready
Is
That
You
Know
You
Get
Into
You
Can
There's
This
Great
Scene
In
Ghost
In
The
Shell
I
Think
It's
You
Know
They're
In
Hong
Kong
And
They're
Kind
Of
In
This
Garbage
Truck
They
Just
Busted
This
Guy
Who's
Like
You
Know
Who's
Like
A
Puppet
Of
A
Puppet
Master
And
They're
Talking
About
You
Know
What's
Going
On
They're
Trying
To
Figure
Out
What
The
Plan
Of
The
Puppet
Master
Is
And
You
Know
They're
Like
Maybe
He
Did
This
For
This
Reason
And
Then
They
Say
Well
Maybe
He
Just
Wants
Us
To
Think
That
That's
What
He
He's
Doing
But
Actually
He's
Trying
To
Do
This
And
Then
The
Next
Guy
Says
Well
Maybe
He
Just
Wants
Us
To
Think
That
He
Wants
To
Think
That
And
You
Know
I
Downloaded
My
Web
Browser
Off
Of
Microsoft
Website
And
I
Don't
Know
If
Somebody
Mowry
Might
Have
You
Know
Messed
With
My
Download
You
Know
When
I
Downloaded
The
Browser
In
The
First
So
Maybe
She
Put
Bad
Key
In
My
Browser
For
Vericide
You
Know
There's
All
These
Questions
And
It
Gets
Really
Messy
If
You
Want
To
Shore
Up
Every
Single
Possibility
Right
But
Well
Hate
To
Do
This
We're
Going
To
Cut
Some
Of
The
Show
We
Got
Maybe
Five
Minutes
But
Yeah
I
Know
It's
Definitely
Some
Of
This
Is
Going
To
Go
To
The
Next
One
But
This
Has
Been
Really
Good
We
Could
Talk
About
This
For
Four
Hours
But
This
Has
Been
Really
Good
So
Far
But
Let's
Stay
With
This
And
Finish
At
At least
This
Part
Up
So
You
Said
What
Interface
Or
Like
You
Said
I
Could
Write
Some
Type
Of
Plugin
For
Internet
Explorer
Or
Something
Like
That
As
Long
As
Those
People
Trusted
It
And
Installed
It
As
An
Authenticating
New
Authenticating
I
Could
Make
Stank
Dog
Up
Like
That
I
Mean
Of
Course
I
Don't
Have
Any
Attention
But
You
Know
Theoretically
Speaking
That
Authentication
I
Don't
Know
What
The
Proper
Term
Is
But
If
They
Installed
That
Plugin
To
Internet
Explorer
It
Would
Acknowledge
And
Recognize
You
As
An
Official
Certification
Site
Just
As
Easily
As
VeriSign
Or
Any
Of
The
Others
That's
True
Yeah
Just
Jump
Right
Just
Jump
Right
Back
In
Because
I
Kept
Talking
Wait
There's
One
Other
Thing
That
I
Think
I
Should
Cover
In
To
Make
This
The
Topics
We
Discuss
Complete
Go
Ahead
PGP
Has
A
Very
Interesting
Way
Of
Solving
We
Talked
About
How
SSH
Solves
This
Problem
And
We
Talked
About
How
VeriSign
Microsoft
Solved
This
Problem
Another
Person
Who
Addresses
This
Problem
Is
PGP
And
The
Way
They
Do
It
Is
Kind
Of
Neat
Because
They
Don't
Have
This
Sort
Of
Idea
Of
A
Central
Person
That
You
Trust
They
Don't
Have
Trent
What
They
Have
Is
Web
Of
Trust
So
One
Person
Has
Their
Public
Key
Signed
By
Another
Person
And
That
Other
Person
Says
I
Know
This
Guy
And
I
Met
Him
In
Person
And
I
I'm
Sure
That
This
Is
His
Public
Key
And
Then
Somebody
Else
Signs
His
Key
And
Maybe
One
Person
Key
Might
Be
Signed
By
10
Or
15
Different
People
That
They
Met
In
Person
And
So
You
Can
Kind
Of
Ask
This
Question
Like
I
Don't
Know
If
This
Is
This
Guy's
Public
Key
But
I
Know
I
Know
Like
Maybe
It
Was
You
Me
And
Alice
You
Know
You
Don't
Know
Alice
And
So
You
Not
Sure
If
Alice
Public
Key
Is
Really
Her
Public
Key
But
You
Know
Me
And
You
Got
My
Public
Key
And
I
Signed
Alice
Key
So
You
Trust
Me
And
Hence
You
Trust
Alice
And
It
Kind
Of
Like
It
Kind
Of
Works
In
An
Unstructured
Way
Yeah
I
Understand
What
You're
Saying
There
But
I'm
Questioning
Something
Pops
Into
My
Head
That
Now
It
Seems
Like
You've
Opened
Yourself
Up
Instead
Of
Just
Being
Man
In
The
Middle
Between
A
And
B
You're
Opening
Up
A
Man
In
The
Middle
If
Any
Single
One
Person
In
That
Web
Of
Trust
Has
Been
Compromised
Seems
What You
Hope To
Have
Is
Maybe
10
Or
15
People
Involved
And
If
That's
The
Case
Then
Like
You
Know
If
One
Of
Them
Gets
Compromised
It
Doesn't
Ruin
Everything
Because
Maybe
Instead
Of
Just
Trusting
Me
That
I
Say
That
This
Is
Alice's
Public
Key
Maybe
You
Want
Ten
People
To
Say
This
Is
Alice's
Public
Key
And
If
Ten
Different
People
Say
It
Then
Maybe
You'll
Believe
It
And
Only
If
All
Ten
Say
It
Right
If
Any
One
Of
Them
Was
Off
Then
That's
A
Point
Of
Something
That
Needs
To
Be
Looked
Into
Or
Investigated
If
One
Person
Is
Off
Then
You
Got
To
Find
Out
What
That
Reason
Is
Yeah
And
PGP
If
You
Get
Into
Setting
Your
Trust
Settings
You
Can
Control
That
To
A
Certain
Extend
You
Can
Control
How
Many
People
Need
To
Trust
Around
With
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
And
Yeah
As
We
Close
Up
Here
Are
Those
Same
Things
Also
Available
In
GPG
Because
PGP
Is
The
Open
Source
Equivalent
Does
The
Same
Thing
Hold
True
With
Those
That's
An
Interesting
Question
To
Be
Honest
With
You
I
Don't
Have
A
Good
Answer
I
Pretty
Sure
That
GPG
Uses
A
Web
Of
Trust
Model
For
Certifying
People
But
I
Don't
I
Mean
I
Don't
Know
To
What
Extent
They
Have
Those
Features
I
Don't
Know
If
They
Are
Exactly
The
Same
As
PGP
Or
If
They're
GBG
Key
Servers
Or
Any
Of
Those
Kinds
Of
Questions
So
That's
An
Interesting
Question
I'll
Have
To
Go
Check
That
Out
All
Right
Well
I
Do
Hate
To
Cut
This
Off
Because
There's
So
Much
Other
Stuff
We
Can
Talk
About
But
Yeah
I'm
Afraid
We're
Going
To
Bump
It
For
Another
Show
I
Do
Think
This
Was
Fantastic
I
Think
We
Did
A
Great
Job
You
Clarified
A
Lot
Of
Stuff
I
Think
In
A
Good
Way
Again
I
Know
It's
Difficult
On
Radio
I
Know
A
Lot
Of
Stuff
You
Want
To
I
Bet
You're
Over
There
Moving
Your
Hands
And
Describing
Trying
To
Draw
It
Out
Within
The
Air
But
I
Think
Again
We
Talked
About
How
It
Works
But
I
Like
To
Sit
Down
And
Say
Okay
What
About
How
Do
We
Use
It
For
Our
Websites
How
Do
We
Use
It
For
Our
Email
How
Do
We
Protect
Our
You
Know
Some
Actual
Stuff
Like
That
Certainly
I
And
To
Aloka
Who
I
Haven't
Gotten
The
Opportunity
To
Listen
To
Last
Week
Show
But
I'm
Sure
She
Did
An
Awesome
Job
She's
A
Really
Interesting
Speaker
And
She's
Done
Some
Really
Neat
Stuff
And
Shout
Out
To
Everyone
On
Memes
Dreams
What's
Up
Yeah
And
Of
Course
I
You
Know
It's
Kind
Of
Funny
You
Know
That
We
You
Know
We
Run
In
The
Same
You
Know
And
Just
I'll
Add
One
More
To
Rocket
I
Spoke
With
Rocket
And
The
Guys
Over
At
Interzone
We'll
Give
A
Shout
Out
To
Them
And
Interzone
4
Is
Coming
Up
And
We'll
Probably
Talk
About
That
On
The
Show
Next
Week
I'll
Get
Some
Information
And
Bring
That
Up
Then
If
You
Have
Any
Email
For
Us
On
Any
Of
The
Topics
Tonight
You
Can
Email
Us
At
And
One
Last
Pimp
Go
To
Meme
Streams
M
E
M
E
S
T
R
E
A
M
S
Meme
Streams
Closing
Music
Tonight
Is
The
Mr.
Move
It's
Called
The
Dirty
Truth
I
Really
Like
This
Guy
I've
Been
Listening
To
A
Lot
Of
This
Lately
Thanks
To
Natus
For
Turning
Me
On
To
This
Very
Interesting
Style
And
Desius
Thank
You
Again
For
Being
On
And
I'm
Going
To
Hold
You
To
That
We're
Going
To
Come
Back
And
We're
Going
To
Talk
About
A lot
Of
That
Other
Stuff
We
Wanted
To
Cover
I
Mean
Boy
It
Just
Seems
Like
We're
Writing
Books
On
All
These
Questions
That
I
Have
About
This
Topic
So
There's
Definitely
A lot
Of
Material
To
Cover
This
Enough
For
A couple
Shows
Maybe
So
There's
Enough
For
A long
Time
If
You're
Into
Technology
To
Sit
And
Study
And
Play
With
This
Stuff
It's
A whole
World
To
Explore
Yeah
It
Really
Is
Absolutely
So
Thank
You
For
Being
On
And
To
Our
Listeners
The
New
Listeners
On
Podcast
I
Hope
You
Enjoy
The
Show
Go
Back
And
Listen
To
The
Old
Ones
And
For
Our
Regular
Listeners
We'll
End
It
The
Same
Way
We
Always
Do
And
Tell
Them
We'll
See
Next
Week
Same
Got
A
Fucked
Up
Head
And
My
Name
Is
Red
I'm
On
The
Damn
Floor
And
I'm
Still
On
The
Edge
Ass
Is
Broken
I
Ain't
Joking
Can
We
Face
It
Quick
And
Drive
The
Point
Home
And
Off
To
Stick
No
Infants
Just
Buttons
Bebbing
Please
Crowds
Routing
Can
I
Bring
Them
To
The
Needs
Did
You
Hear
Me
I
Said
Feel
The
Feel
The
See
Say
Three
Times
And
It's
Still
Just
A
Fucking
Tease
Get
Close
Feel
Me
I'm
Sure
You
Must
Agree
I
Steered
Versus
With
Beers
And
My
Name
Is
Regency
Now
Everybody
Wants
To
Get
The
Booty
Loose
And
Everybody
Wants
To
Do
What
To
Choose
And
Everybody
Wants
To
Know
The
Dirty
Truth
Let
Me
Tell
You
Why
Shall
We
Have
The
Future
Of
On
Good
Sugar
Black
Motherfucker
It's
About
Time
To
Shake
How
Much
Sweet
Cake
In
Just
One
Man
Take
I
Know
You
Got
Plus
Some
Cause
The
Way
You
Share
You
Got
The
Whole
Place
Staring
When
You
Go
Down
There
Sob
It
Up
Pop
It
Up
Work
The
Biscuit
Quick
Put
Some
Serp
In
Steps
Butter
In
The
Grits
Face
Down
That's
Where
I
Said
In
The
Air
Shake
That
Baby
Make
Like
I
Just
What
To
Choose
And
After
Body
What
Is
The
Dirt
Truth
Well
Let
Me
Tell
You
Right
Shall
We
Are
The
Future
Of
Truth
Come
That's
Right
That's
Right
Come
That's
Right
Come
Now
Everybody
Wants
Get
The
Food
Loose
Everybody
Wants
To
Do
What
You
Choose
Everybody
Wants
To
Know
Jones
Drink
Dance.
Drake.
Dance.
Drake.
Dance.
Drake.
Dance.
Drake.
Dance.
You