This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast
You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
At NASDAQ, leave your pride on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIS
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
Can you hear me now?
No
Can you hear me now?
No
Okay, well fine, then don't hear me then
But our listeners can hear me
As I introduce them to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode number 8-0
The Big 80
Representing 80 episodes
I am Stank Dog
Today is January 25, 2005
And my co-host who apparently cannot hear me
Can you hear me now?
No
Damn
Well, my co-host who can't hear me is Voodoo Hal
So I guess we'll stumble through the show
Even though you can't hear me
Hopefully any minute now
You'll kick in and start to be able to
Can you hear me now though?
This is a singular song
I may never be able to hear you
Oh good grief
Yeah, we won't even go there
Don't set me up with an easy
Yeah, anyway
We actually have
I always start
I always say this on every show
But it ends up being true kind of
We have a big announcement on the end of this show
I've been hinting at it for a month or two now
Started hinting at it before Christmas actually
So there will be an announcement at the end of the show
Pretty big announcement
And about some changes we're going to be making
So we'll give you details on that at the end of the show
Can you hear me now?
Yeah
Okay
Also, while we're doing a little housekeeping here
Natus wants to let everybody know
That he made some updates to OldSchoolFreak.com
So go check those out
He just made that update yesterday, Monday
So go check out Old School Freak
Sort of some good freaking goodness
Good freaking goodness?
That didn't sound right
Hey, shut up
You can't hear me
Oh, wait a minute
Can you hear me now?
No
Damn
Alright, well
I guess you can be quiet then
While I play my theme music for the email
Oh, actually
Did you have anything for housekeeping
Before we go into the email?
Not at all
No?
Okay
So let's play the email theme music
And let's jump into some email
We've got quite a few here
Let's see
Where should we start?
Let's start with
First email is from Mass Parallel
Mass Parallel says
Stank
Dude
More Ilanka
Exclamation
One
Eleven
Exclamation
One
Okay
I over exaggerated that part
She is wicked smart
And the cryptography stuff
Is super interesting
I have always been interested in puzzles
And how cryptography works
So I found the episode very informative
So I say again
More Ilanka
As usual
Keep up the good work
The show is great
Yeah, Ilanka
Again
Such a nice person
And very good on the show
She was good
She already has agreed
We'll do some more
We'll just kind of work out a schedule
And get her on here
More often actually
Because again
We have
You know
Everybody on the show
It's not really so much a guest thing
These are co-hosts
People have more to say
Than you know
People think Ilanka
Just the cryptography person
You know
There's a lot more to people's character
Than being so one dimensional
So she's definitely going to be on the show
And we're going to talk about
A lot of different topics
So definitely stay tuned for that
And
I'm sorry
Side note to that real quick
If you guys are interested
Check out the archives
From Freak Nick 2003
She did a great talk
On
Oh damn
One of those sculptures
I've forgotten the name
The Cyrillic Projector
Yeah
Or Cryptos
Yeah
She's
She mentioned both of them
Briefly on the show
We're probably going to more detail
On some of those in the future
But of course
You can go to her site
Again it's Ilanka.com
I absolutely love to
Pimp out that site
She's got a lot of cool information
About all of her projects
And her presentation
From
From DEFCON
Et cetera
Is all available there
So
And
She was in Wired Magazine
This week
So hey
Congratulations to Ilanka
There was an article
Like several pages
There's a pretty good article
From what I
I gave it the once over
I need to go back
And read it thoroughly
But I did read it once
And it looked pretty good
It looked pretty interesting
About the Cryptos project
Really is what the article was
But it mentioned of course
Ilanka
Quite a
Quite a bit
So anyway
Yes
So not only
Ilanka having her back on
Is great
But he mentioned
That the cryptography
Cryptography stuff
Is super interesting
Well
I hope you also
Heard that follow up
The very next episode
We had Decius on
Who also knows
I mean he taught me
A lot about cryptography
As well
Most of it
As it
As it relates to
File encryption
And data
And stuff like that
Computer applications
Of cryptography
So Ilanka
Showed us a lot of stuff
Taught
Hopefully taught us
I know she taught me a lot
And then Decius came in
And followed up
With an application
Of this is how
You can use it in computers
And how they work
And what it means
And some
Some more terminology
So hopefully
They're building on each other
So if you like that one
Hopefully you also like Decius
He had a lot of great stuff
To say as well
So
If you haven't listened to that yet
Go back and grab that
That episode as well
And
Stay tuned
Because we got
Lots of
Cool guests
Coming up in the future
We try to keep bringing
Lots of people in here
And mix it up
There's another hint
Mix it up a lot around here
So that we
Keep the content
And the topics fresh
I know
There's a lot of shows
Out there
That'll go through
News items
And things like that
But
We try to come topical
We try to spend an episode
And do some
In-depth analysis
And discussion
On a
Topic or two
Some of them
May actually be based
On something in the news
Or something
But we like to do more
Analysis
And less reading
So
Mixing a lot of guests
Who have a lot of
Different opinions
And ideas
To me
I think it makes
For a good show
But
What do I know
Hey can you hear me now
No
Oh okay
Okay let's see
Second email
Comes from
OOB
Which
What do we do
That stands for
Over our breast
Is that
Yeah
Is that
No
Is out of bounds
I think he said
I think frankly
He said he didn't care
It was just
OOB
It was fine
Just three arbitrary
Well
Two arbitrary letters
And a third arbitrary letter
Yeah
Two vowels
And a consonant
That's kind of
There are only two letters there
That is true
We can make
Let's see
We can make
Boo and oboe
Actually
Those three letters
You can make
You can rearrange them
In any order
And it's a word
No I mean
I think oboe
Is oboe
O-B-O-E though
Get it
Ah crap
Alright
Well it was almost
A cool idea
Anyway
This guy's
Gotta be tired
Of us picking on
His name by now
We're not picking on it
But playing with his name
Uh
OOB says
Hey stank
As usual
Love your show
And yeah
In my opinion
When I compare it
To the first episodes
Your current shows
Are loads better
I love the episode
With Alanka
You should get her
Back some time
Yes
See above
Anyway
I frequent Google News
Quite often
Because it just amazes me
How up to date
And great it is
Especially when you
Consider that it is
Compiled by a computer
But I have noticed
Something that bothers me
The fact that
Almost every site
That is linked
To Google News
Contains advertising
Powered by Google
So I'm forced to ask
Is Google News
Hitting sites
That contain
The advertising
Is some form
Of payback
To the sites
In question
And if so
Doesn't that make
The news reported
Slightly lopsided
Well
What do you think
You take this one
What do you think
If Google News
Is only pulling
From sources
That advertise
With Google
It sounds like
That could be biased
That could be skewed
Well
Most search engines
Really are
Yeah
But do you think
At this point
There is a point
There
It is a good
It is a good thing
To think about
But at this point
Google being as large
As they are
I hate to say it
But is there any site
That doesn't have
Google ads
On it these days
BinRev
Doesn't
Well that's right
We don't have
Ads from anybody
And I'm going
To try to keep
It that way
I will put
Ads on there
If it's somebody
I support
Like other sites
That we support
Like here
Here I'll give you
A pimp
How about
Homeless hardware
I'll put
I'll put links
Up to sites
That I support
That I think
Are good ideas
And stuff like that
Hosting
Good deals
Others
You know
Whatever
I'm not
I'm not putting
Up banner ads
Or turning it
Into commercials
Or anything
But I put up
Links to sites
That I want to support
Even if it is
Like buying something
Or something
That's
If I think
It's of interest
To the hacker community
I'm all over it
But yeah
No Google ads
Don't need them
If anybody
That doesn't know
About Google
By now
What good
Are putting ads
On my page
Going to do
We do have
A Google
Flavored search
In the tool
And under the
Projects
There's a link
That says tools
And we have
A Google
Flavored search
On there
If you want
To play around
With that
I put that up
A couple weeks
Ago in the
Tools section
But point being
The question at hand
Is does it make
The reporting
Lopsided
To have
Sites
That only
Have Google
On it
I just
One hand
I say
Yeah absolutely
But on the
Other it's
Just one of
Those
They probably
Had those
Google ads
On there
For some
Time
And the fact
That they
Were going
To link
Back when
Google
Opened a
News portal
Which has
Been fair
How long
Have they
Had the
News portal
Up
Less than
A year
Yeah it
Hasn't
Been
That long
At all
So I
Mean they
Probably
That was
Came after
The fact
They were
Probably
Already had
The Google
Ads
And stuff
On there
Long before
The news
Portal
Even came
About
So they
Might be
Unrelated
But you
Never know
You absolutely
You never
Know
Hopefully
Again Google's
Big motto
And one of
Their primary
Thoughts is
Do no
Evil
Don't be
Evil
And I
Hope that
They stick
To that
You know
It's kind
Of hard
To tell
But I
Guess until
I see a
Little bit
More proof
Or a
Little bit
More of
A regular
Pattern
I'll give
Them the
Benefit of
The doubt
For now
But that's
Just me
Alright
Let's see
What else
We have
Here
We have
This is
An email
From
I'm going
To withhold
The name
Just in
Case
It says
Stankdog
I just
Heard
Episode
77
Black
Ratchet
Said that
Wiki
Doesn't
Allow
Visitors
To edit
CSS
But
Wikipedia
Allows
Me
To use
Div
Style
Tags
I agree
With you
About
Wiki
It's
Cool
Tool
Lame
Name
I don't
Know
What
Would
Have
Been
Better
But
I
Do
Know
That
York
University
Math
Department
Uses
A
CMS
With
A
Great
Name
CMS
Is
Content
Management
System
For
Those
Who
Don't
Know
Uses
A
CMS
With
A
Great
Name
Moodle
That's
M-O-O-O-D-L-E
Wiki
Should
Have
A
Name
Like
That
The
Moodle
Dot
Org
Fact
Says
Quote
What
Does
Moodle
Mean
I hope
That's
Coming
I hope
I'm
Pronouncing
I'm
From
The
South
I hope
That's
Coming
Across
Right
The
Word
The
Word
Moodle
Like
Poodle
With
An M
Every time
I say
Something
With
A P
I spit
Right
Into
The
Microphone
And I
Know
The
Listeners
Probably
Blows
Their
Eardrums
So
It's
Moodle
As
I'll
Turn
My
Head
Away
Moodle
As
In
Poodle
Without
The
P
I had
To
Turn
Away
From
The
Microphone
To
Do
That
What
Does
Moodle
Mean
The
Word
Moodle
And
This
Again
Is
From
The
Moodle
Fact
The
Word
Moodle
Was
Originally
An
Acronym
For
Modular
Object
Oriented
Dynamic
Learning
Environment
That's
Mouthful
Which
Is
Mostly
Useful
To
Programmers
And
Education
Theorists
That's
A
Great
Term
By
The
Way
Education
Theorist
That's
Such
A
Cool
Term
Think
About
That
One
It's
Also
A
Verb
That
Describes
The
Process
Of
Lazily
Meandering
Through
Something
Doing
Things
As
It
Occurs
To
You
To
Do
Them
An
Enjoyable
Tinkering
That
Often
Leads
To
Insight
And
Creativity
As
Such
It
Applies
Both
Approach
Studying
Or
Teaching
An
Online
Course
Anyone
Who
Uses
Moodle
Is
A
Moodler
So
Moodle.org
M-O-O-D-L-E
Dot
Org
If
You
Want
To
Check
That
Out
Sounds
Interesting
And
I
Guess
We
Should
Just
Moodle
On
To
The
Next
Email
What
Do
You
Think
Let's
Go
For
It
Unless
You
Have
Used
Moodle
Before
I
Haven't
So
I
Can't
Really
Say
Too
Much
About
It
Frankly
Never
Even
Heard
Of
It
Yeah
Alright
So
Let's
Moodle
On
We
Moodle
Through
The
Show
Every
Week
We
May
Not
Have
Invented
The
Word
But
We
Sure
Do
Have
It
Mastered
That's
For
Sure
Next
Email
Is
From
White
Rabbit
Hi
Firstly
To
Let
You
Know
You
Haven't
Firstly
I
Want
To
Let
You
Know
You
Have
An
Avid
Listener
In
Finland
I
Have
Space
Available
On
My
Site
www.2600.fi
To
Mirror
Your
Hack
TV
Episodes
I'm
Starting
To
Host
What
I
Believe
Is
The
First
Hacker
Radio
Show
In
Finland
How
Do
I
Pronounce
this
Hackery
Or
Hackeri
H
A
K
E
R
I
What
Do
You
Think
I'm
Going
With
Hackery
Radio
I'm
Going
To
Go
With
Hackery
Too
That
Sounds
Kind
Of
Cool
Hackery
What
Have
You
Been
Up
To
Oh
Just
A
Little
Hackery
Alright
So
I'm
Going
With
Hackery
Radio
We're
Probably
Wrong
You
Know
That
Right
We're
Going
to
Say
If
You
Know
If
There's
Whatever
A
Question
Whatever
We
Guess
Is
The
Right
Answer
Bet
Against
Us
Because
We're
Always
Wrong
On
Pronouncing
These
Things
And
Then
I
Get
Hate
Mail
Of
People
Who
Say
I
Mispronounced
Their
Name
Where
Was
I
Here
Let
We
Let's
I
So go check that out if you're interested.
And, yeah, just give back however you can to the community.
I don't care that it's amateurish.
We're amateurish.
You know what?
We're not making money on this.
We're all amateurs.
We're doing this for fun.
We're doing this for betterment of the community to get information out there,
to try to make opinions heard, try to get people information in a new and different way.
So give back.
That's all it is.
Don't worry about whether it's amateur or whether the first part of your show didn't record properly.
You'll get the hang of that as you go along.
So shouts to Finland.
Give it a shot.
You'll get better.
We have, I hope.
And keep contributing.
Keep giving back.
So, again, 2600.fi.
I'll pimp the site for you.
Go check them out.
The site, the show is available for download right there.
Let's see here.
Do you speak Finnish?
No.
I barely speak English.
Is there such a thing as Finnish or is it Dutch?
I don't know.
Or Nordic.
I'm a fast programmer person.
Come on now.
Yeah, I was going to say, I'm just showing my ignorance here.
I don't even know why I should even.
Oh, well.
Somebody will correct me.
So, anyway, thank you, Right Rabbit, for the email.
Another email this week I got from Ed, who says,
Greetings, stank dog.
How do you pronounce that one?
I'm sorry?
How should we pronounce that one?
I'm just going to call him Ed.
What do you think?
It's E-D?
I don't know.
E-D?
Do we call him erectile dysfunction?
Oh, you're killing me.
Oh, come on.
You snuck that in on me.
Now I'm laughing on the air.
All right.
Erectile dysfunction.
No, we can't make fun of the listeners.
It's Ed.
Respect.
Greetings, stank dog, and the whole BR crew.
New time listener here from the United Kingdom.
Not sure how many listeners you have from the UK, but I thought, well, one less now thanks
to Voodoo Hal, but I thought I would let you know.
Always nice to know where your listeners are from, I feel.
Yeah, I agree, and we do have some listeners in the UK, actually.
So, anyway, love the show.
Fantastic content.
Just started to listen to all the shows after downloading them all through iPodder, which
is how I came across your show in the first place through the recent explosion of podcasting.
I watched your first episode of Hack TV when it was released, but never really knew you
had a radio show.
Okay, let me stop right here at this part of the email.
Well, um, the, okay, you didn't get all of the shows from iPodder because they're not
all on our iPod feed.
You may have come to the site and then subsequently downloaded them, which is, I assume, what he
probably meant to say.
Um, so, that's cool.
I think we have decided on sending the last eight episodes on the podcast, so, you should
always have the newest eight episodes, and anybody who's listening and you want to
go listen to more, you've heard these last eight of the most recent ones, you can go
to radio.binrev.com and download the previous season and the previous part of this season
too that we're in right now.
Um, so, check that out.
Uh, a lot of, and yeah, he makes another good point that a lot of people either saw Hack TV
from one of the links or news stories about it that didn't give a link back to our site
or something like that, and don't realize that we have a radio show, or vice versa.
A lot of people don't realize that we, or listen to the radio show and don't realize that we
have the TV show.
TV show singular, but hopefully plural soon.
A new episode will be out soon, hopefully.
So, uh, we probably got it, we probably should do better about mentioning it more often on the
shows.
I guess.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Okay.
Uh, anyway, let's see, the second part of this email, this is kind of a cool story here.
I'll be going on a snowboarding trip for a week in France this Friday, and I'm going to play
catch up on your shows by uploading them to my iPod so that I can listen to them while
on the mountains.
Though I would add this to my email, thought I would add this to my email as you would find
that cool.
Reading this email in your show would be fine with me, and would also be pretty awesome,
simply due to the fact that it would be very surreal if I was listening to the show on my
iPod while being on the mountain, which is also the highest point in Europe.
Now that would be crazy.
Uh, anyway, I'm blabbering, I have a tendency to do that, so I'll leave it here for now, saying
big praise to the DDP crew for all their time and effort within creating awesome content,
the radio show, and vidcasts.
I'll now be hovering around the forums, contributing content, so for now, keep up the good work.
And again, that's...
Well, I have a good question now, though.
Okay.
Everyone listen, but I'm going to look it up in a moment.
What is the, uh, max lowest temperature a, uh, a hard drive can sustain without having
errors?
Hmm.
Well, it's just...
He might think our radio shows up, but he may not come back down with us.
Exactly.
If he keeps it close to his body inside of his jacket or something like that, though, that'll
be a factor.
Plus, it's flash, it's...
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's an interesting question.
Surely somebody's run into that before.
I mean, people...
I'm sure people must be skiing and snowboarding and stuff with these things, so it'll probably
be fine.
It'll probably be fine.
And if it doesn't, you can stick it in the...
Wait a minute.
Yeah, you stick it in the freezer to save a hard drive.
Wait a minute.
So if it freezes up on the mountain, what, is he going to come home and stick it in the
freezer to try to save it?
I just...
Why have you been trying to stick a hard drive in a freezer to save it, first of all?
I don't know.
That's the old myth, isn't it?
That if your hard drive dies, you put it in the freezer to, I don't know, freeze the data?
I don't know.
There's some myth that it freezes the platters or something.
What I think is a programmer.
Yeah, and you know what, see, and this is the thing.
It's like every...
This always comes up.
It's in our forums occasionally, and I always say, listen, I don't think that works.
I've tried it just because, you know what?
When you're desperate to recover your data, you'll try anything.
I've never gotten it to work.
I think it's a myth, and I've said that on the show before, and I got emailed from people.
It's an urban legend.
They swear that, oh, no, well, I...
My friend's boyfriend's uncle's cousin, it worked for him.
It's never worked for me.
So until it works for me, I don't believe a word of it.
And drop it in a big pot of water before you put it in the freezer.
That way you know when it freezes, you're safe.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But don't hold me responsible.
The comments and opinions of Voodoo Hal are his and his alone.
I'm not buying anybody a new hard drive because you told them to drop it in a bucket of water on a mountain and freeze it.
Oh, mercy.
All right, so let's see.
Oh, yeah, so hang out at the forums.
Again, a lot of people don't know all of the things that we have at, well, I guess, in DDP, and particularly BinRev.com.
We have forums.
We have a gallery.
We have the radio show.
We have the TV show.
We have tools.
We have just tons of stuff, you know, for all your hacking needs and links to all of our other sites and projects like DocDroppers and other upcoming things, Old School Freak, et cetera, et cetera.
Got a lot of stuff going on.
So please come to BinRev.com and check it out.
And not only stuff from us, but links to other sites as well.
Go through the forums.
A lot of people have cool sites and cool things they've got up there.
So by all means, check out BinRev.com.
Okay, so I guess that's enough pimping of the site.
You could never have too much.
Oh, no, I know what I was going to say.
I was going to tell this guy to leave a geocache.
If he's going on the highest mountain in Europe, take a geocache up there with you.
Take a box.
Put some stuff in it.
If you don't know what geocaching is, Droops can tell you all about it.
But go to geocaching.com, I think it is.
It might be .org.
I think it's geocaching.com, see what geocaching is, and plant one on the top of this mountain
and see who, if anybody, ever goes up there.
Put in some CDs of Binary Revolution Radio or something.
Put a geocache on top of the mountain in the name of DDP.
He might be planting his frozen iPod up there.
Yeah.
If your iPod stops working, put that in there as a souvenir.
Somebody will probably bring it home and put it in their freezer and get it working,
and then he'd be pissed.
All right, anyway.
Let's see.
Let's do one more email this week.
One more from Insomnia.
Insomnia says,
Stankdog, listen to your stream for the first time two days ago after hearing about it on Off the Hook,
Off the Wall, and have really liked it so far.
Now, I usually have it running in the background when I'm screwing around on my computer.
You were talking in-depth about newsgroups and just wanted to say that I use them daily
and will continue to do so as long as they are around.
If you haven't tried it, I suggest a program called Xnews.
You can get that off download.com, but I also, you just Google for it.
You'll find it plenty of places.
It's perfectly free and is perfect for snagging files off of news, newsgroups or Usenet.
That's what he means.
Keep up the good work, man.
All right, Insomnia, thank you for the email.
There are a lot of newsreaders out there.
A lot of them.
Xnews, obviously you mentioned.
Newsbin, Agent.
They're actually pretty common.
And some of them you pay for, but you know what?
Cracks are very common for these products as well.
A lot of people use these.
Well, let me back up a little bit.
When we talked about Usenet, we mentioned how Usenet is very, very similar to mail, to email.
Very similar, almost the same protocol, same formatting, etc., etc.
And especially the way they both treat attachments and the way it converts it.
Now, I'm not going to go into that all over again.
You can go back and listen to that episode, which was two or three, four episodes ago, something like that.
Well, what these programs do, Newsbin, Xnews, etc., is go out there and mass download every post from all of the news groups that you tell it, that you subscribe to, that you tell it you are interested in.
So, it'll parse through all of these messages.
It'll grab every single post from the news group at whatever bandwidth you give it.
If you've got a DSL, something like that, you can turn it loose.
It'll go through the message.
It'll look to see if there's a file encoded.
And we talked, again, I don't want to rehash too much, but the files get encoded, and you can see the header that says that there's an attachment in there.
This thing just parses through them, looks for that header and footer record to tell where the attachment ends and begins,
and pretty much ignores the rest.
So, it goes through there and basically grabs all of the attachments, if you want to think of it like that, all of the binaries, and downloads them for you automatically.
So, here's the quick version.
Install it.
Go subscribe to alt.binaries.erotica.star.
Turn it on.
Go to sleep.
Wake up.
All the porn you can eat.
You have a hard drive full of prawn.
I did this.
I kid you not.
I did this one time probably with, I don't know, an old 40 gig drive or something like that that was half full.
And the next morning, when I went to my computer, there was an error message out of disk space.
It had downloaded gigabytes upon gigabytes upon gigabytes of porn and MP3s and anything that you could possibly imagine.
It downloads fast.
You can open up multiple threads, etc., etc., etc.
So, if you're interested in that, and who's not interested in prawn, check out X News.
I am.
Yeah, exactly.
You're in your car right now.
We should mention this to people.
You're in your car.
Looking at porn as we speak.
I wasn't going to go there.
I was actually going to tell the honest story.
Actually, let's jump in.
Let's transition into the show and tell.
Let's tell the honest story.
Oh.
Last time you were on, you were driving around looking for prostitutes.
This time, you just went straight for the porn.
Well, I've got a wireless access point in my house, and I've got a wireless PDA, so that's a logical progression.
All right.
Wireless and wireless equals porn.
Come on.
Well, we'll use this as a translation into our show and tell of what we've been working on.
You're working on your cool new Axum, isn't it?
Yep.
Axum X30.
And what do you think of that?
I guess my show and tell for this week is going to be a typical hardware review, if you don't mind.
Oh, no.
By all means.
I've actually tried two, well, a smartphone and this PDA this week.
Both of these were courtesy of work.
The first was the Trae O600.
And if anyone's considering a smartphone, a palm-based smartphone versus a PDA of some sort, I'd say go for the PDA.
The Trae O600 was nice, so I'll give them that.
But the Axum has, you know, around the same cost, a whole lot more.
For the exact same price, this one came with 802.11b, Bluetooth, half a gig memory stick, a 624 megahertz processor, and 64 megs of internal memory.
When you're looking at, you know, the Trae O600, which has the SD slot again, it didn't come with a half a gig stick, doesn't have wireless, unless, actually, I think the 650 has at least Bluetooth.
But comparing the two, this thing is just a dream.
I can start practicing my war shitting again.
Oh, thanks for that image.
Oh, you know, what can I say?
Wi-Fi porn in the bathroom.
What more can you ask for?
No, no, no, no, no.
Think about it for a moment.
Yeah.
Let's say there is a company that you've been trying to get into for, you know, whatever.
You can't get a decent signal outside.
You try your antennas.
You know, you just can't get it.
And let's say it's either a retail store or a large corporate office.
Well, most large corporate offices and retail stores have public restrooms.
So you say, all right, you walk in and say, hey, you know, can I use your restroom real quick?
Make sure it's a hot day.
You know, act like you've been out walking the downtown area for hours and hours and you just have to go.
Do the pee-pee dance.
You walk in with your PDA or laptop in your backpack.
Sit down and start while attacking.
And you don't have to be shitting while doing so, but...
But they don't know that.
Yeah, there you go.
And that would make it more realistic if they decided to check up on you and there was a horrid smell wafting through the air.
Yeah, if you just grunt.
Actually, you know what?
That is pretty hardcore, actually.
That's pretty hardcore.
And it doesn't have to be...
A few times, honestly.
Yeah, it doesn't even have to be a retail establishment, honestly.
You can go into a business.
I mean, some, of course, have real strict security.
But, I mean, if you go in and do the pee-pee dance or something like that and act like you're going to shit in the floor, they might, you know, they might let you through.
Oh, man.
I said a bad word.
Oh, well.
Piss on them.
Anyway.
Yeah, fuck it.
All right.
People say I purposely hold back.
I don't, but I just regret it when I do.
I feel dirty.
I'm a bad, bad, bad host.
Stop looking at porn and get back on the show.
Yeah, exactly.
I should be saying that to you, though.
You're the one looking...
Anyway, what about you...
So...
Dirty, dirty.
And, you know, how horrible is this that I'm thinking, how can I make that into a Hack TV segment?
Nobody wants to see that.
That's awful.
War shitting.
I can just see the title at the bottom of the screen.
War shitting starring Voodoo Howl.
And, hey, listen.
All I'm going to do is tell you up front that I know we might be meeting together at a conference upcoming,
but I am not your cameraman for that one.
You're going to have to do that on your own, bro.
Sorry, man.
I can't help you with that.
The certain lines you can't cross, and I don't break the third wall.
We can get quite a few people to download that from different groups, like the guys who are into that kind of porn.
Yeah, people would be downloading it on NewsX.
Be out on the news groups.
In the...
What is it?
Scat.
In the Scat news groups.
Hacker Scat.
Oh, man.
Hey, hold on.
Let me check and see if that's registered.
Hackerscat.com.
Oh, man.
Did we take a nosedive on content all of a sudden?
What happens when I'm on here?
Come on now.
Oh, I know.
Actually, that notes.
Joking aside, that is kind of a...
That's a very sincere and very cool idea.
I mean, it's worth laughing and being crude about it,
but war shitting, I think, is absolutely a viable term.
I think you just coined a term.
I might actually register warshitting.com just as another joke, just as another play site.
I might just have to go and do that.
Somebody, if our listeners, get to it before me.
And, of course, I would have to put warshitting.info so that people would get information on what it is first.
Oh, all right.
Anyway, you got anything else?
That's pretty much it for me.
Well, I'll transfer, because we mentioned conferences, and I guess we'll kind of talk about...
I mentioned before that Interzone is coming up, and I'm leaning towards going now.
It's just making a decision on if I'm going to be able to present or not.
I don't know what their situation is, so I'm going to have to make some contacts from people,
but I'm probably heading to Atlanta in March 11th?
I think something like that, yeah.
I think it's the 11th through the 13th offhand, but obviously check out interzone.com with a zero.
Interzone with a zero.
Not com with a zero.
That won't work.
Interzone with a zero.
That's the new Hacksaw TLD.
Yeah, I wonder if we can get one.
I wonder if we can become the official Hacksaw registrar for .c0m.
And then, you know how many phishers would be registering ebay.c0m and yahoo.c0m and microsoft.c0m?
Oh, the phishing would be rampant.
Can you hear me now?
I can not hear you.
I almost got you.
You almost said yes.
Oh, so...
I'm looking at my year ahead.
I'm going to make DEF CON this year for a couple of reasons.
One, because it's going to be cool.
Obvious reason that it's going to be cool.
I've talked to a lot of people.
I'm definitely going to meet up.
We have some plans of some things to do there,
so I'm meeting a bunch of different people to hang out.
It's going to be a blast.
And secondly, because there are some rumors floating around about DEF CON,
I'm not going to be the one to out them here on the show,
but I've heard things.
I've heard things.
Anyway, I suggest if you want to go to DEF CON,
you might want to make sure that you go this year.
And so besides the conference,
I've got to work that all out with my job and vacation time, etc., etc.
So I've got to figure out which ones I'm going to this early,
believe it or not,
and financially if I can afford to make them.
So I've got to start saving and planning now.
So that's what I've been doing.
And...
Quick, inner zone is March 11th through 13th.
Okay, confirmed.
So please go check that out.
I cannot tell you really a lot about it, frankly,
because I've never been.
Actually, you and I were going to go to the last one,
and we both had things fall through on us.
Yep.
So actually, I think we both got...
You got hit with work,
and I just got hit with financial difficulties.
Polite word.
So other than that,
I've got...
We're going to have to be making some server changes,
some hosting changes very soon.
We've just grown far, far too big,
and we're eating up bandwidth,
I mean, faster than they give it to us.
So we have to start now addressing a longer-term solution.
And I will be doing...
Yes, you are eating up bandwidth.
What's that?
Yes, you are eating up bandwidth.
Yeah, you can attest to that.
And, you know, it's a good thing.
It's not...
There's nothing wrong.
It's just part of the growth process,
and we just have to adapt and change with it.
That's all.
We just have to work some things out with it,
and that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to be looking into that heavily over the last...
Over the next month, I should say,
and probably talk more about that towards the end of the show, too.
So I'm probably going to be changing over to new hosts.
There's going to be some...
Hopefully, I'll make it as smooth as possible,
but I don't know when exactly.
Of course, I'll keep people posted.
We'll try to make a seamless transition
where the forums don't go down
and the radio show doesn't miss a beat
and all that kind of good stuff.
But that will probably be happening
over the course of the next two months at the most.
Probably sometime in February, this will happen.
So that's a big change.
And I guess as long as we're talking about hardware,
I mentioned before that I was getting a new monitor, I think.
So I wanted to wait until I used it for a little while
before I mentioned it in any detail,
but I bought the Dell...
Well, I shopped around, first of all.
I shopped around and the best buy for the money
ended up being a Dell
because A, there were coupon codes available
and B, it was over the Christmas break.
It was kind of my Christmas present for myself, if you will.
And Dell had another little promotion
where you could get these little coupon codes
for more discounts.
So I was able to combine some discounts
and get what I thought was a really good price on this.
It's a...
I think the model number is a 2005 FPW,
but it's a 21-inch...
I'm sorry, a 20.1-inch LCD flat panel widescreen monitor.
So I had been using a 21-inch CRT.
I didn't want to go down to a 19 LCD,
so I was waiting for the prices on the 20s and higher to drop.
So they finally did.
I wasn't too sure about the widescreen
and how I was going to like it
and how that was going to work out,
but it's actually pretty cool.
It definitely takes some getting used to
because your screen is just so wide
that, well, silly things become a pain,
like wallpaper gets stretched and twisted
so that it doesn't look as good.
So you've got to do some...
come up with some better wallpaper on your own
or find some out there that's close enough to stretch.
But on the other hand,
there's some good things about it.
When you're editing,
when you're reading any text files,
reading something in your browser,
editing something, code,
you get a lot of real estate,
left-to-right real estate,
on your screen to read your code.
And you don't have to page as much
and scroll as much
because you get a lot more information on the screen.
That is cool.
And because of the widescreen nature,
it's very easy to put things side-by-side
so you can compare code right next to each other
and cut and paste easily
without alt-tabbing 20 times
or looking for your item on the taskbar,
et cetera, et cetera.
You're going to be one of the fuckers
that programmers want to kill
who have code that's like 500 columns long?
No, no, no.
I'm very...
It's typically on mine.
I actually, no.
I actually hard code.
I put a cutoff at 80 characters
for all of my code,
except there's a couple exceptions
where I can go to 128.
There's a couple exceptions
on some mainframes and stuff like that
where it's better to go with 128,
but that's a whole other topic.
Generally, I make sure
that I put it at 80 characters
no matter what.
All right.
Now, my text files or articles
are something I might be sloppy with,
but not my source code.
Very anal retentive
about everything being lined up
in my source code.
So, that's my show and tell for the week.
And maybe...
Actually, the main topic this week
may fall under a show and tell
because it's something
that I've been playing with
this past week
and, man,
that could be taken out of context
really bad.
Back to the porn, huh?
I totally...
I don't even know...
Remember how I stumbled across this?
I was doing something on...
I have two Windows boxes
at my house
out of one, two...
I don't know, six computers,
something like that,
a couple of them that are dead,
a couple of them that are Linux,
et cetera, et cetera.
I've got two Windows boxes at home.
So, I went over to the other...
One of them is my video editing machine
dedicated to Hack TV.
I swear to you people,
I actually do work on it.
So, one of the boxes is...
And actually,
I just bought that recently
dedicated to video editing
and it's running Windows XP
and video editing software
and that's it.
And that's the one
that I used to install
Service Pack 2 on
to test and see
what it was all about.
I still have not installed it
on my other Windows box
because I've got a lot
of open source software.
This is my open source Windows box,
if that's not an oxymoron.
It's a Windows...
It has Windows XP on it
but all the software
is open source.
I'm proving that you can run
open source software
and do everything
that you could do
with pay software.
Anyway,
why am I talking about that?
Anyway,
on the other box,
I put all the updates on
and I keep it up to...
It's a Borg machine.
I keep it totally Borgified
so that I have all the latest
Microsoft service this
and update that
and extra this,
yada, yada.
So,
the latest thing,
I saw that Windows
came out with a new
spyware tool.
Spyware tool similar
to Adaware is one.
What's a...
I can't think...
There's a couple others
out there.
I bought Search and Destroy.
Yeah,
those type of things.
Adaware,
I think,
is the most popular one
and it's pretty good.
So,
Microsoft offers
a new one now,
right?
It's a beta,
I believe.
But,
they have that to download
at Microsoft.com
like I need to tell you
their site.
But,
it was interesting.
There were some
interesting things
about it
that I wanted to talk about.
In and of itself,
okay,
surprise,
Microsoft copies somebody,
you know,
whatever.
But,
it's the way that...
The whole process of this
I found interesting
and worthy
of a topic
for the show.
First of all,
to get this download
and a few others now,
Microsoft has started
this new program.
It's called
the Genuine,
Windows Genuine Program.
And,
basically,
to download
this spyware tool,
and again,
there's some other tools
that they want you
to do this as well.
It's sort of like
a registration process
they want you
to go through
on their site.
They want you
to go there
and validate
and prove
that your copy
of Windows
is authentic.
So,
it has an
ActiveX control.
You have to use
IE.
How convenient is that?
You have to use
Internet Explorer.
It did not work
with Firefox.
I do have Firefox
on that box
because it's so awesome
compared to IE.
I don't run a box
without Firefox anymore.
I wonder why
somebody hasn't done
a Dr. Seuss
Firefox book yet.
A parody.
Firefox with socks
or whatever.
Anyway,
man,
we're,
boy,
weird show tonight.
Anyway,
they have an
ActiveX control
that will tell
if you have,
I guess somehow
tell if you have
a valid copy
of Windows.
So,
according to their site
it says it's not
required at this time
but it could be
in the future.
So,
you know,
I figured,
let me,
first thing I did
is read up on it.
You know,
I don't click
through anything
until I read a little bit,
do a little research first.
I'm not going to
blindly accept anything
from anybody,
especially Microsoft.
So,
I went to reading
through their FAQ
and through their
information pages
and it says
what do they collect
to validate this?
Well,
they collect your
OEM product key,
the PC manufacturer,
your OS version,
why do they say
OS version?
They should say
Windows version.
I'm not detecting
any other OS
besides Windows.
P-I-D-S-I-D,
BIOS information,
BIOS MD5 checksum.
Interesting.
So,
I thought that was
interesting
and then,
I just found this funny
again,
this ironic.
One question from the FAQ
that says,
quote,
are ActiveX controls
safe to run on my PC?
Now,
again,
this is an ActiveX control
that will scan
and get that information
that I listed earlier.
Are ActiveX controls
safe to run on my PC?
Because,
as you know,
with Service Pack 2
especially,
it'll pop up and say,
warning,
you're about to run
this ActiveX control,
blah, blah, blah.
The answer from the FAQ
says,
as long as the control
comes signed by a publisher
you trust,
then the ActiveX control
can be safely run
on your PC.
The ActiveX control
used by Windows
genuine advantage
is signed by
Microsoft Corporation.
If you do not see
sufficient evidence
of this signature,
then you should not
download the control.
I should download it
if it comes signed
by a publisher I trust.
I don't trust
Microsoft Corporation!
And they're the
signing agency here,
so where does that put me?
I don't trust them
to sign it.
They're signing
their own certificate,
which,
first of all,
I won't even go into
how colossally stupid
that is.
Oh yeah,
we signed our own
certificate.
Trust us,
it's valid.
That's like some guy
signing Babe Ruth
to a baseball
and saying,
no, trust me,
it's real.
Come on.
Seriously,
that's just a dumb idea.
How can you trust
a Microsoft sign?
That's just dumb,
and I just thought
it was funny because
what if you don't
trust Microsoft?
Which I don't.
They're the only place
to get this,
or are they?
And that's something else
I'm going to talk about
in a minute.
The way,
let's see,
the process itself,
okay,
so all that being said,
over on that box,
I want it to be
Borgified.
That's the whole point
and so I can keep up
with what Microsoft
is doing and watch it
and see what all this stuff.
So I went through
the process on that
one computer,
start to finish,
validating my copy
of Windows,
all the way to
downloading the tool,
et cetera,
et cetera.
So,
first of all,
in the site,
Microsoft has set up
a site called
HowToTell,
H-O-W-T-O-T-E-L-L.com,
which just redirects you
to a Microsoft
subdirectory.
But if you want to
validate your copy
of Windows
and download this,
that's the starting point
or that's at least
the point to do
the Genuine Advantage
program where you
validate your key.
So the first thing
it wants to do
is,
again,
it's an ActiveX
control.
So I wanted to
validate my license
via ActiveX.
Then they allowed me
to download
the Anti-Spyware.
Now what they did
for the licensing,
by the way,
is it comes up
with a little control
that basically says
type in your number
from the sticker,
the little hologram
sticker that all
the Windows
come with for the
last few years
since 2000 or so.
The little hologram
has the little
five-node key
with five characters
in each one.
You enter that in,
it associates that
with the other things
that I mentioned
earlier,
to tie you down
to one computer.
There's enough
information there.
They claim in their
fact they don't
collect any,
quote,
personally identifiable
information,
or PII,
which is a very
important term
that we went
into many episodes
ago,
a legal term
as far as
computer privacy
goes,
PII.
They claim they
don't collect
any PII.
However,
using the things
we mentioned
before,
the key that
you put on
there,
the type of
computer you
have,
the BIOS
information,
and the MD5
checksum they
put on the BIOS,
et cetera,
they can tie it
down to that
computer very
closely,
very precisely.
so it's very
much something
that easily
can be targeted.
You know
what I mean?
I'm with you.
Is that making
sense?
Does that sound
scary,
or does that
sound not so
much?
I think it's
Microsoft finally
coming forward
with stuff that
they've already
been doing,
but that's just
me.
Well,
that could...
I'm so frightened
of it.
Yeah,
that may very
well be true.
You're absolutely
right.
And to take
that a step
further,
they may say
they're not
collecting it
here,
but they
have...
Okay,
this is a
database of
the things
that I
mentioned earlier
and the key
that you just
put in and
authenticated.
So you tied
that key to
that machine
is basically
what this
database does.
Ties that
key to that
machine is
basically what
this database
effectively does.
The second
thing is,
that's database
number one.
The other
thing you need
to put all
of this in
perspective is,
if you
have a,
what do
they call
it,
a passport
account.
If you have
a passport
account,
which is
database B,
it's not
necessarily
irrelevant.
In database
B over
there,
you've got
your personal
information,
like your
name and
address and
stuff that
you filled
out when
you signed
up for a
Hotmail
account or
a TechNet
account or
any of the
other Microsoft
services or
passport services
or anything
like that.
And if they
can just come
up with a
key,
a way to
link those
two tables
together,
they've got
your personally
identifiable
information and
they've got it
tied to your
license,
to your
computer,
and they
just synchronize
all this
stuff together.
So I
absolutely,
I'm assuming
that they do
that and have
done that.
And like you
said,
they've probably
been doing
that to a
certain extent.
so that to
me is a
little scary.
That's very
scary.
So I
would not
in general
bother to
go through
with this
genuine
process and
give them
any more
information than
they already
have.
However,
on that one
box,
for the sake
of science,
I did go
ahead and go
through with
it and
downloaded
their
anti-spyware
tool.
So one
thing
interesting
about this
that caught
my eye
first of all
is that when
I was done
with the
authentication,
which it's
a box from
Dell,
it comes
pre-installed
with Windows,
of course it's
a valid copy
of Windows
for crying
out loud.
It's a
refurbished
Dell,
I mean it's
not a good
Dell,
it's a
cheap
Dell.
The URL
that it
generated for
me to
download was
interesting and
caught my
eye.
The URL
itself did
not take
me to
just a
download
site or
a download
link in a
subdirectory
somewhere that
was protected
in any way.
The URL
itself had a
very long
string of
characters in
it that
I guess
all I can
say is
if,
oh man,
I don't know
how to put
this in order.
Help me with
this,
voodoo
hell.
It's not a
session key.
Session keys
have a
distinctive
look and I
don't know
how to
describe that.
Right.
Session keys
have a
distinctive look
in the
characters that
it can use
as part of
a session key.
It can use
alpha, numeric,
special characters,
etc.
Right.
This did not
use that,
so it was not
a session key.
However,
it was something
that was
dynamically generated.
What it looked
like was some
sort of key
that you get
when you register
a Microsoft
product in
general.
It seems
like I've
seen it.
It's like
three nodes.
The first
part has
I think
five or
six characters.
The middle
one.
The office
type key
that they
use?
Yeah.
You know
the key
itself is
five sections
with five
or six
numbers in
each section.
Or is it
six?
Right.
But then
after you
register and
you go into
help about
and you look
at your key
there,
it's not
the same
thing.
It's a
different key
structure.
You know,
it's the
hash, I guess,
for lack of a
better word.
And that's
what was
generated and
put into my
URL.
So the
string that I
went to
download was
something like,
and I don't
have it in
front of me,
but it was
something like
microsoft.com
slash spyware
slash download
slash g7412
dash g64194
whatever,
the key,
then slash,
and then
the .exe
file.
So to me,
because it
generated that
specific key and
put it in the
URL,
I think it
did it for
no other
reason than
to log and
or pass that
key on
somewhere so
that they
could store
that in a
database and
have that tied
back to me.
And that,
again,
becomes part of
the algorithm,
if you will,
combine that
with the
MD5 checksum
somehow and
or the code
that I entered
in for this
authentication
process that
they now have
a way to
prove that
that is supposed
to be downloaded
to me.
And I
suspected,
this was my
guess at first
and maybe this
will come to
fruition in the
future,
that since that
was generated
by a combination
of two keys
that I had
uniquely identified
to me,
that would
probably only
work for me.
Wrong.
I was surprised
at this.
I thought that
because that was
generated by some
specific keys that
would only work
on that computer.
It did not.
I took that
URL,
I copied it
over to my
other computer,
I copied it
and pasted it,
well,
I copied it
to a text file
and sent it
over.
I didn't copy
and paste it
through space
and time,
but I copied
and pasted it
over to a
text file
over to this
system and
tried to go
to the same
URL and
download it.
I was really
expecting it to
tell me that
the hash does
not match this
computer and it
not let me,
but sure enough
it let me
download it with
no problem.
So I thought
that was really
interesting and
I was surprised.
I really did
think that it
would stop me
from downloading
it or come up
with a thing
that says,
sorry that this
URL has a
key that does
not match your
license or
something.
It did not.
It downloaded
fine to the
hard drive.
I started,
I went ahead
and stopped it
because I didn't
need it again,
but I downloaded
it because the
second thing that
I wanted to test
was this.
Okay, fine,
it would have
let me download
it.
Maybe that's
because when it
downloaded it,
somehow it
embedded that
key in there
and it would
only install
on that
particular
computer.
Maybe on the
install process
it would say,
sorry, but this
is the key that
I was expecting
and this is not
the system that
it was meant
for or something
like that.
Again, I'm not
sold that this
won't happen in
the future,
but it
installed with
no problem.
I brought it
over to this
other Windows
box,
installed it,
started installing
it, I should
say.
I didn't want
it on this
box, so I
stopped it halfway
through and
canceled, but it
did start
installing.
It worked
perfectly fine
to take that
installation file
and copy it
over to a
different system
and it ran
like it was
nothing.
So what this
means is
that's a huge
bypass to the
whole authentication
thing.
You don't have to
authenticate to
download this
freaking thing.
All you need to
do is, first of
all, I don't know
if other download
sites might not
carry it because of
fear from Microsoft,
but any download
site could put
it up and it
would work
universally.
But if they
don't, which they
probably won't out
of fear for
Microsoft, all you
got to do is go
to a university, go
to school, go to
a friend's house, go
anywhere, that is if
you don't have a
licensed copy of
XP, which we're not
condoning that you
don't or piracy or
I'm not even touching
that, but for
theoretical purposes,
if you don't have a
valid copy of XP but
you want this spyware,
go to a friend's
house, go to school,
register their stupid
copy, download it to a
USB drive and take
it home and install
it.
This is the stupidest
way to try to stop
people, because the
point is not to stop
people from downloading
it, the point is to
get that information
about you and your
system.
That's the point of
it.
So, good job
Microsoft, way to
think that one all
the way through.
I'm sure people aren't
going to be sharing
this on peer-to-peer
and handing it out
to their friends and
downloading it from
machines that aren't
theirs.
Come on, that's
just dumb.
Down with the
man.
That's just, seriously
that's dumb.
I thought I was
going to get that
in somewhere tonight.
Really.
Oh, and here's, this
is another, this one
was just downright
creepy.
On the install
process itself, the
first thing that comes
up, it says
Microsoft anti-spyware
whatever with spy
net technology.
S-P-Y-N-E-T.
Splash screen comes
up with spy net
technology.
So, I don't know
about you, but the
first...
It's on the NSA
directly below that?
Yeah, well the
first thing that
jumped into my
mind, I don't know
about you, but when
I see spy net, my
mind thinks, Skynet
from, from the
Terminator movies.
Remember Skynet's
the computer that
took over everything
and caused the
robots and the
machines to rise up
and, that's not
cool.
That's not, that's
just wrong.
That's just rude.
They should have
just come right
out and called it
Skynet, except they
probably would have
gotten sued by
Universal Studios.
Anyway, I thought
that was scary and
that just kind of
creeped me out.
That's not, that's
very foreboding.
That's not a good
way to start off.
I actually, that
came up on the
splash screen and I
couldn't believe it.
I canceled the
install just so I
could start it again
and make sure that I
read it correctly.
That freaked me out
so bad.
Well, if I told you
the funny thing about
their terminal services
client...
What's that?
I've always found
this new humorous.
Microsoft Terminal
Services Client for
NT4O and possibly
2000.
You could get this
tool that you would
put on a floppy to
create, or you could
run it, create a
terminal service
client disk so you
could carry it up to
another machine and
install the software.
Well, Microsoft, in
its infinite wisdom,
decided to call this
application
conman.exe.
Oh, that's great.
That's, how
appropriate.
How appropriate is
that?
Man, Microsoft, man,
they do some stupid
things sometimes.
Boy, that's the
understatement of the
year, isn't it?
I think so.
That was the
understatement of...
Thank you, God
bless, the show's
over, I can't end on
any better note than
that.
That was the
understatement of the
year.
Anyway, so, back to
the story here.
I installed and
immediately updated the
software so I had the
latest definitions.
There was an update,
even though I just
downloaded it, there
was a newer scan, a
newer library of
spyware to scan for.
So, I updated
immediately, started my
first scan.
I set it up to do a
full in-depth scan on
the entire system.
And then I also
decided, just for the
heck of it, to go
ahead and scan.
As long as I'm
doing that, I
thought, I don't
want to install this
on all my systems.
I wonder if I can
scan across the
network.
So, I connected to
my file server.
When I say connected,
I'm sorry, I had
drives mapped to my
file server.
So, I went ahead and
included them on the
deep scan.
And, etc., etc., etc.,
all my systems that I
could see are right
across to over this
one that I'm working
on and recording the
show on right now.
And, had it start
scanning.
So, it scanned basically
my entire network.
Let's see.
And, point being,
even with all the
stuff I told you about
how you can download
and install it on
these machines easily,
I don't really think
that you need to because
you can put it on one
and scan across the
entire network.
So, that's another
kind of...
I mean, that's a good
thing, but I'm just
surprised that Microsoft
did it.
You know what I mean?
I'm also not sure,
though, honestly, if
when I'm scanning it,
a deep scan on another
box, technically,
your registry on that
box is just a file.
I don't know if it
scanned the registry
on the other box.
I don't know if it's
smart enough to do
that.
It is a file, but I
don't know if it was...
Probably not, but it
is easy enough to
connect to a remote
registry on your
network.
Yeah.
You can control the
registry from any
other box as long
as you have
credentials on it.
Yeah, so I guess
you could probably
have done that and
scanned the other
box completely
thoroughly if it
didn't do it on
its own, which I
don't suspect it
did because it has
a different process.
It has scans files
first, and then it
scans registry keys
second.
So, I don't think
it would have
recognized the
registry keys on a
remote machine.
But, anyway, that
being said, the
scan finished, I
think it took a
little over half an
hour, scanned
memory, of course,
24,000 files checked,
again, including the
file server with tons
of miscellaneous files
and downloaded and
et cetera, et cetera,
source code, 8,700
registry keys, and you
know how much spyware
it found?
Zero.
It didn't find a
single damn thing.
Now, I'm very careful
about downloading and
installing stuff.
I'm not, you know, but
surely there was
something.
I mean, I expected to
see at least a few
things.
Some browser height,
something had to be
somewhere in the cache
or control somewhere
that I missed.
There had to have been
something.
It found zero.
I just, either it
sucks or I'm damn
good at avoiding
spyware.
Careful with your
porn, eh?
Yeah, I mean, and
I am, wait a minute,
don't get me wrong, I
am damn good at
avoiding spyware, but
nobody, there has to
have been some.
I just can't believe
for a minute.
I actually, what I
probably should do is
run AdAware and see
if it finds anything
now.
I should have done
that for the sake of
a test.
And I think someone's
done that online
already.
There was a link
somewhere that I came
across of somebody who
compared them, and I
think his comparison,
however, said that
Microsoft did pretty
well.
I think I might have
to do this for a
scientific study now
and see if AdAware
picks up anything on
this system that
Microsoft says there
is no spyware on.
See what the
difference is.
All right, I'll put
that on my to-do
list.
What do you think?
Do it.
All right.
I was focusing on
a hot brunette who
just walked by.
Ooh, hey now.
You want to get her
on the show?
I will try.
Hey, baby.
It's gone.
Aw, man.
Hey, baby.
Come to
butthead.
Let's see.
What else about this
thing that I want to
mention?
Oh, it comes with a
system explorer.
It's got, under the
advanced tab, it has
something called a
system explorer that
gives you a lot of
cool information about
your system, a lot
more detail.
It's kind of like your
computer management tab
but it's a little bit
more detail in that it
looks at processes that
are running in memory,
tells you not only the
name of the EXE that's
running but who made
it, some of the
properties of it, some
of the system properties
that you might not be
able to see otherwise.
That was kind of handy,
kind of cool.
Tells you all the
processes that you
have set to start up
with a computer upon
boot, tells you the
name, the same
information, where
they're starting from,
whether they're in the
startup menu, whether
they're a service that
gets started up, etc.,
etc., and who and what
makes them, etc.,
things like that.
It's got, tells you
any shell hooks that
may be going on, which
is another thing that
spyware does sometimes.
It'll associate files
with the spyware or
Trojan application or
whatever, so it'll give
you a way to look at all
the program associations
and make sure that
they all look great.
And it gives you a list
of all your IE
plugins, because I
know how many people
love to have plugins
for their Internet
Explorer and how safe
that is.
So it'll show you all
the IE plugins and
their status and who
made them and etc.,
etc., so you can check
those out, and any
other settings in IE
that could have been
hijacked, because you
know, one of the
things that I see more
frequently and I get
more people ask me
about than anything is,
oh, I can't, every
time I start in an
Explorer, I get porn on
the screen.
Well, A, stay away from
the porn.
Listen, porn is like a
gun.
If you can't use it
properly, stay away from
it.
Wait, wait, people don't
want porn to show up
when they open up in an
Explorer?
Apparently not, when
they have, like, wives
and kids and things.
That's baffling.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
amazing.
Who doesn't want porn?
No, porn is like a
weapon.
If you can't use it
properly, if you can't
handle the
responsibility, just stay
away from it.
Leave it to the
experts, like me.
I am the prawn expert.
Stank dog, your prawn
expert.
Thank you very much.
So, it tells you about
things like that,
something that could
have been hijacked,
like pages or your
search page, etc., etc.
It has one of those, I
don't know if there's a
term for this, but the
clean your tracks option
where it's like the thing
that says clean up your
most recent files or last
open stuff and things like
that.
And the history of items,
I don't even want to know.
Something about Microsoft
cleaning up after you're
looking at porn and stuff.
Yeah.
That is pretty good, isn't
it?
It's got to cover, well, I
mean, like, you know, in
the history of your most
recent application, your
recent documents, etc., etc.,
which, yeah, it's going to
show your porn.
A little robotic arm pops
out of your keyboard with
a tissue.
That might be, I think
that's in, this is beta
still.
You've got to wait for the
final issue for that one,
or final version for that
one.
Yeah, I'll release it too
soon, huh?
Yeah, basically all of this
stuff, all of these things
anyway, and actually all of
it all together, the whole
package, stuff that's been
freeware, freely available
with freeware, open source
stuff for years and years
now.
And, yeah, and actually
the part that makes me
laugh is when you sit back
and think about this, all
of this stuff is useful,
don't get me wrong, it's
all kind of neat, it's good,
but isn't it just ironic,
it's just so funny that it's
a Microsoft tool that shows
you how fucked up Microsoft
products made your system.
I mean, what am I missing
here?
Oh, Microsoft screwed up my
system, I need to download a
tool to fix it.
Where am I going to download
it from?
Hey, I'll get it from
Microsoft!
What the hell, you know?
Anyway, I thought that was
kind of ironic, but anyway,
that's a little review of the
anti-spyware tool and more to
the point, the genuine program.
It's worthless.
I mean, I mentioned several
flaws in the way it works, how
silly it is.
Don't, just because it doesn't
exactly work or it doesn't have
certain things you don't care
about, don't blindly go through
with it just for the hell of
it, I did it for the sake of
testing it out for everybody
and because I have it on a
box that I really don't care
about over there, so I still
would not suggest people go
through this, don't go through
this genuine stuff, screw them,
they don't need any more
information on you.
Don't do it.
Do what I said, I suggest go to
a friend's house, go to a
library, go to a university, go to
a school, go to a, go to the
Walmart kiosk for God's sake if
you have to.
And ironically, how funny would
it be if you busted Walmart
using a bootleg copy of
Windows in the process?
That would be sweet.
Go, go war shitting and out
somebody's network reporting
their stuff and download it and
then take it home and install it.
So that way they don't have you
on database, you didn't
register, screw Microsoft.
All right, well, let's see, I
think we've got a pretty full
show.
Uh, yeah, we're going good and
we've got some things to talk
about here at the end of the
show.
Uh, unless you had anything else
to add, I mean, I think we
pretty much beat into the
ground how pathetic Microsoft
is in general and it's
particularly with this
application.
Which, the application itself is
actually, is not so awful bad,
it's just ironic.
So, let's go to the shouts
first.
Let's give some shout outs.
And I need a breath, so why
don't you do the shout outs?
All right, first for me, um,
shouts to whoever developed this
new, um, what the hell is it
called?
Uh, Chameleon browser thing?
I don't know if some of you
read Flash.
Uh, check that out.
I don't know if that's really
a shout or a tipping their
site, but it's K-M-E-L-I-O-N
or I-A-N.
It's a pretty cool browser.
Um, shout out to everybody on
the forums, obviously.
Uh, shout out to anybody who
makes it to Interzone to
entertain my drunken ass.
Oh, that's going to be good.
You'll get extra shouts when
you actually entertain my
drunken ass, but for now.
Well, so you play your cards,
right?
You just might be entertained
there, buddy boy.
Bow-chicka-bow-bow-bow.
Oh, God.
We'll make some snow cones!
Oh, that's an old reference.
Anybody who's been listening
to the show for a long time
might get that reference.
That's an old one.
Oh, okay.
Um, I guess I will add...
I'm sorry, were you finished?
I'm done.
Okay.
I will give shout outs to
Slicko, Slick Zero,
excuse me,
for giving us a cool mention
on Off the Hook.
Somebody mentioned it in the
email earlier.
They found out about us
through Off the Hook.
So, uh, shouts to Slick Zero
for giving us a mention.
Good mention of, of obviously
his show and our radio station.
Very cool.
Thank you for doing that.
Uh, shout outs to Jaga.
Jaja.
I'm going to call him Jaga.
Everybody calls him Jaga.
I'm going with Jaga.
I don't care how he wants
to pronounce it.
Jaga.
Shouts to him.
I talked to him.
I haven't talked to him
since Hope.
And we had a good long talk
today with some cool stuff.
Um, and I guess a good luck
here to Grokster.
March 29th, they will be facing
the Supreme Court of the
United States for a decision
on the liability of content
on peer-to-peer file services.
So, shouts to them.
Good luck to them.
This is a very big thing.
Very important.
We don't do politics much
on this show, so I'll just
tell everybody to go read up
on that.
It's a very, very important
thing.
It's a big event.
And quite simply, it's going
to determine the future
of peer-to-peer application
on the internet, at least
for the United States.
It's a big deal, so please
read up on that.
Um, email us, of course,
radio at binrev.com.
Um, and, I guess it's time
for our big announcement.
And, that announcement is
that...
Thanksgiving and sex change
on March 2nd.
Oh, man.
I was going to tease, I was
going to drag it out a little
bit first.
I was going to say, I was
going to make it into a joke
and say I was coming back
as, like, stankina?
I don't know how to, I can't
make that work.
Uh, uh, no.
Actually, the announcement
is going to be that,
effective today, this is going
to be my last episode for a
while.
This is not the last episode
of Binary Revolution Radio.
Binary Revolution Radio will
be back again next week.
But, I will not be hosting the
show.
I'm going to be off for the
next, at least the next month.
At least the next month.
Possibly a little bit longer.
I'm going to be taking care of
some things.
Like I mentioned earlier, I've
just got a lot of stuff going
on.
We've been dropping a lot of
projects lately.
DDP Hack Radio up and running.
Dock Droppers up and running.
A couple more products, projects,
excuse me, that are going to be
up and running very soon to put
the finishing touches on.
We're changing hosts.
I'm working on, I got, we put
Pwned, a special episode up.
I got Hack TV 2 coming up.
Got to get working on the
magazine.
It's just, I've got to step back
a little bit and try to get
some of these things done.
As well as, more importantly,
you know, I've always said on
the show that real life is more
important as well and I've got
some real life things to take
care of.
Take care of my well-being, for
lack of a better term.
So, I'm going to step away for a
little while and I'm going to
turn the show over to my current
co-host, Voodoo Hal.
So, please.
It's both going to change as we
know it.
Please, continue listening to
the show, obviously.
Continue sending emails to the
same address, radio at
BinRev.com.
Nothing's going to change as
far as that goes.
We'll still be on Tuesdays at
8.30 p.m. Eastern.
I'm sorry, 9.30 p.m. Eastern?
9.30, I don't know.
I'm on 9.30 p.m. Eastern.
Does that sound right?
I don't even know when we're on
anymore.
That's why I need a vacation.
That's why I need a break.
Anyway, Tuesdays.
Still be coming on every
Tuesday.
Voodoo Hal is still going to
have a similar format.
Nothing's going to change as
far as that goes.
Still send in your email,
your questions, your feedback,
even for this show, any of the
past shows.
I will be around and available
for the most part, but probably
should be addressing your
emails.
Dear Voodoo Hal, how is that
going to be?
Oh, boy.
That's going to be fun.
So, yeah, everyone address your
emails like that because I'll use
a filter that sends it straight
and I'll wait.
Sorry.
Kill file.
So, no, and actually joking, you
know, joking aside, I mean, you've
been on the show a lot.
People, we know that you can, you
know the content, you know what
you're talking about.
Joking aside, you perfectly, you're
going to do a better job at this
than I am.
That's the short version.
You're going to do better at this
than me.
People are tired of hearing from
me anyway, so it's a good break
for the listeners to get a
different point of view, different
content, et cetera, et cetera.
So, it's going to work good all
the way around and hopefully
something we'll do more often in
the future so that we all get
breaks and take turns talking
about what we want to talk about
and hopefully this will be setting
a trend for the future of the
show.
I will have to warn everyone, the
gratuitous cursing will probably
continue because as Pink knows, I
really don't care.
Yeah, well, I don't really care
either.
I don't, or to put it into terms
people might understand, I don't
give a fuck.
There you go.
I just don't want to make it
totally gratuitous.
That's all I've ever said and I
don't know why it becomes a point
of controversy.
You know, it's laugh, it makes me
laugh every time somebody makes a
comment or a joke about I'm
censoring myself or I'm not
censoring myself enough or why
does he care?
Because I do.
Am I not allowed to make a
personal decision to try to
improve my language?
If I fucking want to, which
right now I don't fucking care,
but some episodes I do.
Is that so wrong?
Anyway, okay, there you go.
I can end on a rant.
I'll end this show with a rant
that I, I just, I don't get it.
I don't understand what people
want, but you know what?
You can't please everybody.
You can't please everybody, so
hopefully you'll have better luck
and please.
Probably not going to please
anyone.
I was going to say, hopefully
you'll have better luck than I
did apparently.
So, again, seriously people, and
if you're a new listener on the
podcast, trust me, you're in very
good hands and go back and listen
to past episodes.
Voodoo House co-hosted the show
with me many times, too many, I
couldn't even count.
I'm sure it's double digits
probably out of 80 shows, so
that's quite a bit familiar with
the show, knows the style and
everything.
So, I'm sure everything's going
to work out fine as far as that
goes.
I have no problems with that.
I also have a friend who's in
trouble that I need to spend some
time with on a personal note.
So, our closing music this week,
actually, yeah, our closing music
this week is a song that I've
played before.
It's from Zerl, the same person
who does our opening theme song,
Z-E-A-R-L, Zerl, and this song
is called Watch Me.
If you listen to the lyrics, I
think it's a very appropriate
song to end on.
And, I'm going to give this to
Decoder, shoutouts to Decoder.
Hang in there.
Help is on the way.
We're doing what we can do, so
hang in there, man.
And, Voodoo House, I guess, let's
just go ahead and jump into it
now.
I'm not going to start it.
It's your show, as of right now,
starting with the end of Binary
Revolution Radio, episode 80.
You can lead us out tonight,
and I'll finish it up for the
first time.
Oh, boy.
Here we go.
Everybody, see you next week,
same hack time.
How's it going again?
Oh, yeah, wait a minute.
Same hack channel.
Oh, boy.
Watch me.
Start a revolution off.
Watch me.
Way down your bum.
Smoke it up and cough.
Watch me.
Rush the cocks with a bandana and a
molotov.
Watch me.
It's time to tear the system down.
Already white, because you want to
keep your crowned.
Change is coming near.
No more fear.
Take back these countries,
these cities, and these towns.
Demand equality for women,
and end the class of racism.
Justice.
Are you really down to make some change?
To rearrange?
It's not so strange.
This shit is in our range.
Trade me some death for some happiness.
Rob the best and give it to the deranged.
Paying exchanges.
You got us working for some bullshit wages.
I'm not paying no more rent for these stages.
This is the moment in which revolution engages.
It's time to set it off.
It's time for war to wage.
It's time to start a new age.
Watch me.
Start a revolution off.
Watch me.
Way down your bum.
Smoke it up and cough.
Watch me.
Rush the cocks with a bandana and a
Molotov.
Watch me.
Your concessions are just a joke.
We learned a lesson when you try to get us with your coke.
As rights dag burn, we learn.
Soon your patriot act will provoke.
Where there's fire, there's smoke.
Where there's a happy rich person,
somebody poor getting choked.
Where there's assassination and covert ops,
you're going to find the CIA running dope.
How can there be hope?
No end.
It begins in the road.
Comrade, I see a fork.
It's time to turn this wheel of time.
We just need some more torque.
Can we fight ourselves in this endless sea
as we bomb so aimlessly like the cork?
If it had been brought by the stork,
would you even listen to the truth?
I'm not so sure.
Watch me.
Start a revolution off.
Watch me.
Way down your bum.
Smoke it up and cough.
Watch me.
Rush the cops with a bandana and a molotov.
Watch me.
Uh.
We need way more passion and better leaders.
The ones we got are old-fashioned and greedy.
Revolution in the streets.
Solutions is what we seek.
Collusion with the righteous ones.
It's an illusion that we won't need a gun.
We'll use anything we can find to fight this.
We're on a mission to right this.
On a path of righteousness.
You're not on the ground unless you're free.
You'll never be down till you get political.
See?
Words strapped in time.
Every syllable written to oppose capitalism and it's lying.
Meritocracy is a joke to me.
No equality for women, people of color, and the children of poverty.
Watch me.
Start a revolution all.
Watch me.
Bring out your bum.
Smoke it up and cough.
Watch me.
Rush the cops with a bandana and a molotov.
Watch me.
Uh.
Watch me bring a corrupt system to its knees.
Watch me make the capitalists beg and plead.
Watch me fuck this whole system up.
Are you going to be down with me or what?
Watch me.