WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.860 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:20.780 and a fag pwned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in 00:20.780 --> 00:27.020 my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, on the 00:27.020 --> 00:32.460 out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero, 00:32.680 --> 00:37.940 in a flash I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through my hard drive 00:37.940 --> 00:43.520 rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught the love bug, 00:43.840 --> 00:49.780 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's all gonna be free, 00:49.900 --> 00:54.920 whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling your bones, when I tell 00:54.920 --> 00:59.780 we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves 00:59.780 --> 01:05.420 to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, this is dedicated to the 01:05.420 --> 01:12.740 hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIPs, this is dedicated 01:12.740 --> 01:19.680 to the hackers and the crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, coming at you 01:19.680 --> 01:25.420 on February 15th, 2005, I'm your host Doug, and that's because if any of you tuned in 01:25.420 --> 01:28.520 last week you'll notice that I was a co-host with StankDog and at the end of the show he 01:28.520 --> 01:33.040 asked me to fill in for him for this week and probably next week too, so luckily I'm not 01:33.040 --> 01:37.580 here all alone though, I have of course my co-host, Lucky 225, that's right, and we're 01:37.580 --> 01:42.220 actually doing this show in a studio instead of on speakerphone, yeah, pretty nice studio 01:42.220 --> 01:46.560 here, yeah, it's a, well, it's a garage studio, but instead of, you know, having you on the 01:46.560 --> 01:49.340 speakerphone, since you live like right down the street from me, this makes more sense, 01:49.460 --> 01:54.720 so it'll sound a little bit different, so hopefully this show is informative and not 01:54.720 --> 01:56.120 a complete disaster, so. 01:56.480 --> 01:58.280 Yeah, I'm kind of sick today by the way, so. 01:58.440 --> 01:59.520 That's alright, just don't cough on the mic. 01:59.520 --> 02:00.500 You hear me coughing and. 02:00.740 --> 02:04.380 Just don't cough on the mic and everything will be fine, but we're going to jump right 02:04.380 --> 02:05.180 into email. 02:16.560 --> 02:27.140 Alright, our first email here is from the obtruse one. 02:27.980 --> 02:28.720 Uh, he writes, 02:28.720 --> 02:31.720 I just thought I'd email you about the guy who lost his job over Hack TV. 02:31.960 --> 02:35.220 I don't mean to be a dick or anything, but it's his own down fault for watching TV at 02:35.220 --> 02:35.980 work when he shouldn't. 02:36.280 --> 02:39.860 He probably would have gotten fired over something else if it weren't for Hack TV he was caught 02:39.860 --> 02:40.120 with. 02:40.340 --> 02:43.400 Uh, glad he found another job though, just hope he's more responsible next time. 02:43.400 --> 02:46.920 Don't blame yourself, Stink, if it weren't for your show and all the others out there, 02:47.260 --> 02:49.020 I would have been bored off my ass at work. 02:49.080 --> 02:52.780 It's hard to find the 35 plus hours of good listening material each week. 02:52.840 --> 02:54.220 The show's great, I can't wait to hear more. 02:55.060 --> 02:58.200 Oh, and another tip about radio shows for those who have two lines, you could always 02:58.200 --> 03:00.500 do what Default Radio did if you want multiple guests. 03:00.600 --> 03:06.240 Call into a conference, plenty of people which have open PBXs by way of asterisks including 03:06.240 --> 03:10.640 Bell's Mind and Telefreak, but call into a conference along with your guests, then you'll 03:10.640 --> 03:12.140 have a separate line to record at all. 03:12.140 --> 03:15.920 That way your voice doesn't sound too different from your co-host, which can be annoying sometimes 03:15.920 --> 03:19.160 when you have three or more guests and trying to fix all the levels, just a thought, the 03:19.160 --> 03:19.620 obtruse one. 03:20.380 --> 03:23.960 I totally agree with how, um, what he says about it's his own guy's fault. 03:24.080 --> 03:28.220 I mean, StankDog shouldn't be held responsible for getting other people fired, you know? 03:28.240 --> 03:31.280 If they're watching out their own work, you know, that's their problem, not Stank's. 03:31.280 --> 03:37.040 I mean, um, it's the same situation for kids at school that get into trouble for listening 03:37.040 --> 03:37.920 to music or something. 03:38.020 --> 03:40.820 It's not the artist or the band's fault that the kids are failing, you know? 03:40.860 --> 03:43.140 It's the student's fault for listening to the music, you know? 03:43.180 --> 03:44.480 It has nothing to do with... 03:44.480 --> 03:45.800 Yeah, there's a time and a place. 03:45.940 --> 03:49.560 I mean, if this guy doesn't have a computer, he can go to the library and watch this shit. 03:49.700 --> 03:51.500 Yeah, exactly, so... 03:51.500 --> 03:55.500 Now, about recording shows, the same system I had with Default Radio and also the Mind War, 03:55.920 --> 03:57.060 I would have two phone lines. 03:57.180 --> 04:00.120 One at the time was Vonage, a VoIP phone, and the other was a landline. 04:00.500 --> 04:04.300 Both the host, Decoder and Lucky, would call into a free conference line, and I would use 04:04.300 --> 04:06.240 both of my lines connected to the same conference. 04:07.440 --> 04:11.660 Connected to my landline was a voice modem on my computer, which had a speakerphone output, 04:11.900 --> 04:15.600 and that speakerphone output would then be connected to the line-in jack of my sound card. 04:16.260 --> 04:18.840 I would then dial into the conference line, and I would pick up the modem. 04:18.840 --> 04:22.880 The easiest way to do this would be with Windows, if you opened up Hyperterminal and you typed 04:22.880 --> 04:25.000 ATH1, which would pick up the modem. 04:25.780 --> 04:28.540 Then simply, you would get your favorite application for recording. 04:28.840 --> 04:33.660 I use CoolEdit because I've grown up with CoolEdit for many years now, but the free one, 04:33.720 --> 04:34.260 of course, you could use. 04:34.320 --> 04:37.580 We've said this a thousand times on the show, Audacity, which is freeware. 04:37.700 --> 04:39.300 Also, you can use it with Linux, Windows. 04:39.520 --> 04:41.960 It's a great open-source recorder. 04:42.980 --> 04:46.620 But any kind of your favorite recording tool, you can then just record what's coming in 04:46.620 --> 04:47.240 on the phone lines. 04:47.240 --> 04:48.240 It's the best way to record. 04:48.700 --> 04:51.820 Just make sure you have a separate phone line if you're doing a radio show because otherwise 04:51.820 --> 04:52.960 you're going to sound louder. 04:53.440 --> 04:56.700 It's going to sound just way too louder than everyone else on the phone line. 04:56.760 --> 04:59.660 You want everyone, especially if you have more than two people, you want everyone to have 04:59.660 --> 05:00.580 the same amount of level. 05:00.660 --> 05:01.880 Otherwise, it's just going to sound horrible. 05:02.540 --> 05:05.200 And I know a lot of people have tried to do this with recording phone calls, and they've 05:05.200 --> 05:05.760 never succeeded. 05:05.760 --> 05:10.220 But if you do this way, just like we did with Default Radio and other shows like The Mind 05:10.220 --> 05:12.500 War, this is the way to go if you want to do all phone lines. 05:12.840 --> 05:18.460 Another way, too, if you have an asterisk box, I personally don't know how to do this, but 05:18.460 --> 05:19.560 I've heard people talk about this. 05:19.620 --> 05:22.120 I've heard Knot Theory, Strom Carlson talk about this. 05:22.180 --> 05:26.960 They have applications that you can use where it records everyone into a conference, and it 05:26.960 --> 05:30.500 has their own separate channels and everything, and it just records them in MP3s. 05:30.500 --> 05:32.320 But do you know anything about this at all? 05:32.340 --> 05:33.860 No, I don't know anything about asterisk. 05:34.060 --> 05:35.260 Yeah, I don't know anything. 05:35.280 --> 05:35.680 I'm a noob. 05:36.120 --> 05:41.300 I don't know anything about asterisk either, but I know there's some way to record easier 05:41.300 --> 05:43.700 with asterisk, but if you don't have asterisk, this is the way to do it. 05:43.720 --> 05:47.680 Just get a voice modem, hook it up with your computer, call into a conference line, or 05:47.680 --> 05:49.460 call your friend, three-way each other, it doesn't matter. 05:49.560 --> 05:52.080 But if you want to record, do a radio show through the phone lines. 05:52.100 --> 05:52.740 That's the way to go. 05:54.120 --> 05:57.620 This next email is from Slicko, or Slick0, I'm not really sure. 05:57.620 --> 06:01.380 Hey guys, since you were talking about recording setup for radio shows, I figured I'd tell 06:01.380 --> 06:03.000 you about bass net setup, so here's the note. 06:03.960 --> 06:05.140 I'm sorry, I had to cough, go on. 06:05.160 --> 06:06.520 It's all right, you're sick, it's all right. 06:07.040 --> 06:08.620 I figured I'd tell you about bass net setup. 06:08.780 --> 06:11.860 Well, here's another email about recording radio shows, I guess. 06:12.720 --> 06:17.580 To start, the room's walls are completely covered with acoustic baffling. 06:18.280 --> 06:19.720 B-A-F-F-L-I-N-G. 06:20.380 --> 06:21.640 I don't know what the hell that means. 06:22.320 --> 06:24.420 We have a mic for each person on the show. 06:24.420 --> 06:35.360 We've been using one MXL990 large diaphragm mic, two cheap Natty CM88s, I think, and one 06:35.360 --> 06:36.420 SM58. 06:37.320 --> 06:41.400 Anyways, he writes, these are patched to a simple 8-channel mixer with four preamps, sent 06:41.400 --> 06:45.880 to a compressor slash gate channel, and back to return to the mixer on my laptop. 06:46.080 --> 06:53.300 I wrote a simple Perl script, wow, a simple Perl script that uses A-Play to play a predetermined 06:53.300 --> 06:58.560 clip, depending on the key I press on the keyboard, which I have patched to the mixer as well. 06:58.640 --> 07:01.580 I use a different laptop for the stream, also patched to the mixer. 07:01.740 --> 07:07.000 By the way, the voiceover music standard is 10 dB under the voice, though I usually keep 07:07.000 --> 07:11.140 the background stream lower, but loud enough to mask my breathing, any breathing sounds, 07:11.300 --> 07:12.180 keyboard clicks, etc. 07:12.180 --> 07:20.280 The stereo mix I create with an 8-channel mixer, then 2M Audio Delta, oh no, 8-channel mixer, 07:20.420 --> 07:21.620 and then goes to my main console. 07:22.140 --> 07:31.040 A Mackie 1604 VLZ-Pro, which directly feeds to my 2M Audio Delta 1010s, which finally records 07:31.040 --> 07:38.040 using Rezound, I think Rezound, R-E-Z-O-U-N-D. 07:38.440 --> 07:40.320 Yes, my studio computer runs Linux. 07:40.420 --> 07:45.160 Of course, 1604 and 1010s are only being used for two channels for this. 07:45.240 --> 07:50.140 In recording, I set the master level to about negative 6 dB to avoid clipping. 07:50.460 --> 07:56.140 Then after recording, I apply a peak limiter, which the input levels boosted at 6 dB to normalize 07:56.140 --> 07:56.540 the volume. 07:56.540 --> 08:02.040 I have all this gear and much more not listed from well before recording the show with it. 08:02.260 --> 08:05.320 Since I have all this equipment, found other people that wanted to do a show, and because 08:05.320 --> 08:09.820 I found I'm a sound Nazi, I'm a sound Nazi, I decided to use it. 08:09.860 --> 08:13.420 This is an extremely elaborate way of doing it, but since I can make it sound like a professional 08:13.420 --> 08:15.240 radio production, I'll of course do it. 08:15.360 --> 08:17.460 Anyhow, thanks for the shouts, and keep up all the good work. 08:18.340 --> 08:19.460 Uh, Slicko. 08:19.680 --> 08:24.520 I say Slicko, I pronounce Slicko because it's quicker for me to say, as well as because a few 08:24.520 --> 08:29.400 people know me by that, but when I came up with the handle, I meant to, it was meant not 08:29.400 --> 08:30.180 to be phonetically. 08:30.860 --> 08:31.140 Phonetically. 08:31.540 --> 08:33.140 Basically, there is no wrong way to say it. 08:33.500 --> 08:33.860 P.S. 08:34.140 --> 08:34.500 OmniScan. 08:35.180 --> 08:40.160 Uh, to clear up some confusion, it's what inside gag between me, Kilrathi, and a few others. 08:41.080 --> 08:44.620 Well, first off, I have to say, that's a really complex studio. 08:44.620 --> 08:46.520 Um, a really cool setup. 08:46.620 --> 08:47.700 A lot more than what we have here. 08:47.760 --> 08:49.560 Basically, what we have here is equalizers. 08:49.740 --> 08:53.300 I thought the Doug Studio was going to be like the bomb and everything, and this guy 08:53.300 --> 08:53.900 emails us. 08:53.900 --> 08:55.160 This guy's got Perl Scripts. 08:55.160 --> 08:56.040 Why are we even trying? 08:56.200 --> 08:59.360 This guy's got Perl Scripts, this guy's got Linux, he's got the whole works. 08:59.420 --> 09:05.760 I got a few mixers, an app, speakers, mics, like cheap $10, $20 mics. 09:06.620 --> 09:09.160 Yeah, this guy's got the whole work, so that's really cool. 09:09.240 --> 09:12.900 He has a nice setup, and it's great to know for internet radio, you know, he's got this 09:12.900 --> 09:15.800 complex radio station setup, you know, for an internet radio show. 09:15.840 --> 09:16.460 I think it's awesome. 09:17.440 --> 09:20.400 Before we go to the next email, have you heard about this Boss Hog show? 09:20.700 --> 09:21.480 No, what is it about? 09:22.060 --> 09:23.680 Uh, I actually have no clue. 09:23.920 --> 09:28.420 I heard about him on Covert Call, because Covert Call's having this prank call contest. 09:28.760 --> 09:32.320 And, uh, hey, I'm just letting you go, okay? 09:32.320 --> 09:38.060 Anyways, um, one of the submissions was from this Boss Hog show, which is an internet streaming 09:38.060 --> 09:41.560 radio show that's been around since, like, 2003 or so. 09:41.700 --> 09:41.940 Alright. 09:42.360 --> 09:46.880 Um, anyways, it's some radio group out in Austin or something. 09:47.520 --> 09:53.140 And, um, the prank call submission that they had made, uh, they actually had done it from 09:53.140 --> 09:54.040 their own dial tone. 09:54.180 --> 09:55.760 They weren't spoofing caller ID or anything. 09:56.160 --> 10:00.880 And they had all the touch tones in it, and they had placed a call to Nikki Hilton's, uh, 10:00.880 --> 10:02.900 boyfriend's phone number. 10:03.020 --> 10:04.080 I don't remember his name. 10:04.220 --> 10:06.080 It's in, go, go on Covert Call. 10:06.220 --> 10:06.600 I don't know. 10:06.800 --> 10:09.600 I'm gonna keep up with People Magazine to see who Nikki Hilton's boyfriend is. 10:09.600 --> 10:11.240 Oh, you don't watch Access Hollywood, man? 10:11.360 --> 10:11.800 Come on. 10:12.620 --> 10:18.220 But anyways, uh, since those touch tones were, like, just right there in the WAV file, I 10:18.220 --> 10:19.280 decided to decode it. 10:19.340 --> 10:21.160 I don't think Stained Dog would approve of that. 10:21.220 --> 10:22.460 We gotta keep the show professional. 10:22.460 --> 10:24.820 We're not gonna give up docs on this show. 10:26.300 --> 10:27.760 Anyways, let's just go to the next email. 10:27.760 --> 10:31.180 Uh, this is from, oh, he has his first name. 10:31.300 --> 10:33.940 I don't, I don't think on this show you're supposed to drop that, so I'm not gonna say 10:33.940 --> 10:35.200 anything, uh, just to be good. 10:35.840 --> 10:37.880 Uh, hey, I started listening to your radio show recently. 10:37.980 --> 10:40.460 I had a question of where I can get the intro that starts off. 10:40.540 --> 10:42.420 This goes out to all the hackers and the crackers. 10:42.720 --> 10:43.720 Please reply to this email. 10:43.940 --> 10:44.260 Thanks. 10:45.000 --> 10:48.120 From what I'm told, this is the number one question that BinRev gets. 10:48.680 --> 10:52.640 Uh, it's actually on the front page of radio.binrev.com. 10:52.720 --> 10:53.840 It says so right in the red. 10:53.840 --> 10:55.540 And it says, what does it say? 10:55.580 --> 10:58.340 It says, before you email and ask me again about the opening theme. 10:58.780 --> 10:59.340 It's Zerl. 11:00.120 --> 11:04.060 So simply go to Zerl's website and you'll find the full song under, it's on his website. 11:04.160 --> 11:04.660 It's under music. 11:04.820 --> 11:05.400 Actually, it's right here. 11:05.720 --> 11:09.820 Under music, singles, and then I think the single is The Class War. 11:10.160 --> 11:11.080 And it's right there on the left. 11:11.140 --> 11:12.280 It says Hackers and Crackers. 11:12.340 --> 11:15.340 That's the actual full theme song that, uh, BinRev uses. 11:15.340 --> 11:20.260 So, download it right there and hopefully we won't get another email here that asks that 11:20.260 --> 11:20.840 same question. 11:22.060 --> 11:23.240 Uh, next email. 11:23.500 --> 11:26.200 This is from WickedCon2 or WickedCan2. 11:27.060 --> 11:30.140 Uh, hi, I've been listening since episode 80. 11:30.700 --> 11:32.200 I live in Wales, which is in the UK. 11:32.500 --> 11:34.800 I love the idea of BinRev meetings and might start one. 11:34.880 --> 11:38.120 Do you know where I can get more information about freezing hard drives, seeing as I would 11:38.120 --> 11:39.300 like to put this theory to test? 11:39.820 --> 11:42.960 Love the show and we'll be downloading further shows on the podcast. 11:43.180 --> 11:43.900 Keep up the good work. 11:43.900 --> 11:49.700 Well, since I'm filling in for StankDog, I know nothing about this whatsoever. 11:49.980 --> 11:53.160 Uh, I only started hearing about this last week, so, um... 11:53.160 --> 11:53.960 What are they talking about? 11:54.160 --> 11:55.100 Freezing hard drives? 11:55.140 --> 11:56.440 Yeah, freezing hard drives. 11:56.620 --> 12:00.440 So, uh, I asked BlackRatchet about this because I don't know if he, um, knew anything about 12:00.440 --> 12:00.940 this at all. 12:00.980 --> 12:06.440 So, he told me allegedly that the freezing sometimes, uh, solidifies the, the grease and makes 12:06.440 --> 12:07.280 the arm stick. 12:07.720 --> 12:11.440 And I've also been told that the plate shrinks, so... 12:11.440 --> 12:14.880 I don't know anything really about freezing hard drives, so maybe... 12:14.880 --> 12:15.980 Why would anyone want to? 12:16.280 --> 12:16.960 I have no idea. 12:18.520 --> 12:19.420 Keep data longer? 12:19.420 --> 12:20.020 I don't know. 12:20.540 --> 12:21.740 I don't know what it's for. 12:22.000 --> 12:22.580 I, I have... 12:22.580 --> 12:24.520 That's part of technology that I have no idea about. 12:24.780 --> 12:26.780 All right, well, uh, go and freeze your hard drives. 12:26.920 --> 12:27.740 Good advice. 12:28.120 --> 12:28.200 Good. 12:28.580 --> 12:29.780 Melt the platters, too. 12:29.840 --> 12:30.440 That'll be fun. 12:30.780 --> 12:34.260 Well, uh, BlackRatchet, he heard about this from mailing lists, and actually, he, oh, 12:34.320 --> 12:37.140 he has tried this numerous times, but he's only had it to work once. 12:37.860 --> 12:41.840 So, uh, a lot of people do say it's just an old wives' tale, so, who knows? 12:42.440 --> 12:46.760 Uh, as far as any websites, the only thing I can help you is just recommend going to Google, 12:47.340 --> 12:51.160 you know, search around, or even bring this up on the forums at forums.binrev.com, maybe 12:51.160 --> 12:51.980 start a whole discussion. 12:52.140 --> 12:55.580 I mean, that's the only thing I can recommend to you, so sorry I can't help you out that much. 12:56.080 --> 13:00.940 Dude, one gig thumb drives are a hundred bucks from SanDisk. 13:01.380 --> 13:02.940 There you go, that's a good idea, just get a thumb drive. 13:03.300 --> 13:03.420 Yeah. 13:03.960 --> 13:06.240 Um, next email is from System Shocker. 13:06.400 --> 13:07.860 Stank, you suck. 13:08.020 --> 13:08.940 You were a big dick. 13:09.680 --> 13:12.860 I don't mind MV Bind the f... 13:12.860 --> 13:16.700 Uh, I don't, I think he means I don't mind the fact that you don't mail back to us, but 13:16.700 --> 13:20.120 I had to fake suicide for you to get to read my email on the air. 13:20.120 --> 13:21.700 Fuck you, you are a big dick. 13:21.820 --> 13:22.660 No more Stank Dog. 13:22.740 --> 13:24.120 It's time for Stank Dick. 13:24.120 --> 13:26.720 P.S. Metallica fucking rule. 13:26.860 --> 13:31.540 Suck my big fat lard of mustard, you fat lard of anti-Metallica fuck. 13:31.940 --> 13:35.420 Um, I don't think we can use the word Metallica on this show. 13:35.600 --> 13:38.760 That's a copyrighted, uh, band material right there. 13:39.200 --> 13:40.360 I think you're allowed to say it. 13:40.660 --> 13:42.180 I don't know, I really have no comment on this. 13:42.240 --> 13:46.140 I didn't even know Stank hated Metallica, but whatever, next email. 13:46.840 --> 13:47.920 Lucky, do you like Metallica? 13:48.400 --> 13:49.500 Uh, yeah, sure. 13:49.920 --> 13:50.560 All right. 13:50.640 --> 13:50.940 Whatever. 13:50.940 --> 13:55.080 Uh, this next email is from OOB, or Oob. 13:55.680 --> 13:58.580 Uh, hey, your stinkiness plus various hosts. 13:58.660 --> 13:59.760 I'm glad to hear you back in action. 13:59.880 --> 14:03.340 I thought I would compile a short list of places that I've listened to BinRev on my iPod on 14:03.340 --> 14:04.360 a recent holiday I went on. 14:05.300 --> 14:08.760 Uh, as a prefaces list, uh, as you know, I live in South Africa. 14:08.900 --> 14:09.340 It's important. 14:09.340 --> 14:17.060 Um, so, uh, number one, I listened to BinRev 60 something in a Amazini Toy, I don't know, 14:17.140 --> 14:17.400 I can't... 14:17.400 --> 14:18.000 Amazini who? 14:19.000 --> 14:21.360 Amazini Toy, I don't know, some kind of police station out there. 14:21.880 --> 14:26.240 Uh, reasons for being withheld, uh, I'm not gonna say the word again because I can't 14:26.240 --> 14:26.720 pronounce it. 14:26.720 --> 14:31.700 Uh, is if you're interested in a small fishing town on the south coast of South Africa. 14:32.880 --> 14:33.520 I'm not. 14:33.960 --> 14:34.320 Thanks. 14:34.480 --> 14:35.000 Well, I don't know. 14:35.200 --> 14:36.700 Yeah, I'm not part of Africa, so. 14:37.580 --> 14:40.880 Uh, after that, I listened to another episode in the highest pub in Southern Africa. 14:41.260 --> 14:42.100 Well, it claims so. 14:42.100 --> 14:48.640 The pub is the question, is situated in a very dodgy backpacker stop off on top of the 14:48.640 --> 14:56.200 Sani Pass, Sani Pass, which is inaccessible except for the hardest off-roads vehicles in 14:56.200 --> 14:57.880 the, uh, Lisa though. 14:57.980 --> 15:00.760 I'm, like, correcting the grammar as I'm reading along here, so it's hard. 15:01.620 --> 15:08.360 Um, number three, I then proceeded to listen to another episode in a cave housing ten, oh 15:08.360 --> 15:12.080 no, let me see, ten thousand years old Bushmen. 15:12.100 --> 15:16.960 Ten paintings, which were nestled in between South Africa's longest mountain range in, 15:16.960 --> 15:18.220 uh, Drakensburg. 15:19.280 --> 15:23.280 Number four, finally to the end of the nice, rounded, odd collection of places to listen 15:23.280 --> 15:28.100 to Binrev, I listened to Lake Victoria in Zimbabwe. 15:28.640 --> 15:31.500 Uh, Zimbabwe, there you go, Zimbabwe. 15:31.960 --> 15:36.580 Don't know if you know about that country's problems, but major human abuses, alright? 15:37.120 --> 15:42.080 Not far from the place, uh, where David Livingston, ah, Livingston was greeted by a 15:42.080 --> 15:45.660 fellow adventurer, uh, Livingston, I presume, yeah. 15:46.140 --> 15:46.540 Anyways. 15:47.140 --> 15:50.740 Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know that Binrev has traveled me all throughout Southern 15:50.740 --> 15:51.860 Africa very well. 15:53.000 --> 15:57.220 Well, it's nice to know that people travel with all their internet radio content everywhere, 15:57.400 --> 15:59.300 South Africa, you know, everywhere. 15:59.820 --> 16:00.040 Yeah. 16:00.040 --> 16:04.560 Uh, that's the one thing about this podcast stuff that I really, I think is the coolest 16:04.560 --> 16:04.940 thing ever. 16:05.020 --> 16:09.260 You can find all this internet media radio content, you know, and download it on your iPod, take 16:09.260 --> 16:12.660 it to you with your beach, you know, and your car, South Africa, whatever, you know, it's 16:12.660 --> 16:13.600 all, it's all good to go. 16:13.720 --> 16:17.400 So, you can spread it in so many different ways now with this, um, that's cool about the 16:17.400 --> 16:17.700 podcast. 16:17.700 --> 16:26.260 And, and we have one more email, uh, Doug and Lucky225, I just wanted to let you know. 16:26.280 --> 16:26.680 This is to us? 16:26.940 --> 16:27.180 Yeah. 16:27.320 --> 16:28.080 This is actually to us. 16:28.120 --> 16:31.440 I don't know how they knew you were going to be on right away, but, uh, I just wanted 16:31.440 --> 16:33.800 to let you know that I've listened to BinRev Radio every week. 16:34.360 --> 16:38.380 I have every episode, say to my hard drive, my iPod on my laptop, and burn the CD. 16:38.760 --> 16:39.500 The show sucks. 16:40.000 --> 16:42.160 I hate you and everything in it that you guys do. 16:42.580 --> 16:45.540 I can't wait until next week's show so I can tell you how much you suck again. 16:45.540 --> 16:48.720 Uh, your, your biggest fan, StinkDog. 16:50.160 --> 16:50.520 Oh. 16:51.480 --> 16:53.460 I don't know, I don't know who that guy is, but, uh. 16:53.460 --> 16:55.660 Yeah, screw that StinkDog, dude. 16:55.980 --> 16:57.020 But, uh, enough of this email. 16:57.180 --> 16:58.920 Does, does he have any email closing music? 16:59.020 --> 16:59.460 No, he doesn't. 16:59.580 --> 17:00.060 That's it. 17:00.300 --> 17:01.480 Alright, that's all the email we got. 17:02.600 --> 17:03.700 Let's get into the show. 17:03.800 --> 17:06.360 First off, you see the screensavers last night? 17:06.980 --> 17:07.820 Yeah, sure did. 17:08.280 --> 17:10.760 It was pretty cool seeing, uh, Sub-Zero and, uh, what was her name? 17:11.220 --> 17:11.920 I don't remember her name. 17:12.340 --> 17:13.280 I can't think of it right now. 17:13.700 --> 17:14.020 Noob. 17:14.920 --> 17:15.240 What? 17:15.760 --> 17:16.320 Do you remember it? 17:16.720 --> 17:17.380 If not, did you? 17:17.380 --> 17:18.940 Yeah, I do, but I don't. 17:19.260 --> 17:20.120 Yeah, I do, it's Holly. 17:20.340 --> 17:20.620 Holly. 17:21.400 --> 17:22.460 Oh, yeah, it was Holly, okay, yeah. 17:22.800 --> 17:25.280 Because, uh, DJ Mullis couldn't make it, which, that sucks, dude. 17:25.340 --> 17:28.580 You know, it sucks to pass up something like that and not be able to fly out to L.A. and 17:28.580 --> 17:29.160 everything, you know? 17:29.940 --> 17:34.860 But, uh, yeah, we saw it last night, or, yeah, last evening, and it was pretty cool to 17:34.860 --> 17:35.460 see them on there. 17:35.520 --> 17:38.460 I thought they were going to be on there a lot longer, like, actually taking calls, but they 17:38.460 --> 17:41.380 took, they were like, we'll take your calls, and they only had, like, one call. 17:41.660 --> 17:43.420 Yeah, about a long-distance relationship. 17:43.540 --> 17:44.820 About a long-distance relationship. 17:44.820 --> 17:45.880 And it was at the end of the show. 17:45.960 --> 17:49.140 Unless Sub-Zero took, like, calls behind the camera or something, and that's kind of cool, 17:49.240 --> 17:52.240 but, you know, I was thinking they were going to be on most of the show, you know, between 17:52.240 --> 17:55.120 segments and answering more calls, but it wasn't... 17:55.120 --> 17:57.920 Yeah, I thought this was supposed to be some Valentine's Day special. 17:57.920 --> 18:00.640 Instead, you got Kevin Rose showing you dark deals. 18:01.840 --> 18:02.380 I don't know. 18:02.420 --> 18:05.340 Yeah, man, and shoving his face with, like, a jelly... 18:05.340 --> 18:06.340 Yeah, they would... 18:06.340 --> 18:10.040 But anyways, yeah, I thought they were going to be on a lot longer, you know, but it was 18:10.040 --> 18:11.080 still cool to see, though. 18:11.120 --> 18:14.340 I'm sure Sub-Zero had a kick-ass time, you know, but... 18:14.340 --> 18:17.440 I kind of got, like, during the middle of the show when they weren't on, I was just 18:17.440 --> 18:18.480 bored out of my mind. 18:18.600 --> 18:19.560 Yeah, I don't know, dude. 18:19.560 --> 18:21.280 What is this? 18:21.360 --> 18:24.560 Watch Kevin Rose make out with Sarah Lane? 18:24.740 --> 18:25.240 I mean... 18:25.240 --> 18:25.700 What do you mean? 18:26.000 --> 18:28.020 Dude, the show sucks now. 18:28.920 --> 18:33.500 Well, yeah, I used to grow up, man, like, that network I used to watch since, like, 98, 18:33.720 --> 18:36.880 man, and every time I'd always turn on the screensavers, you know, and just, like, enjoy 18:36.880 --> 18:42.000 watching, what was it, Leo Laporte, the other guy, Patrick Norton, Patrick Norton. 18:42.060 --> 18:42.260 Yeah. 18:42.440 --> 18:43.080 And it was fun. 18:43.180 --> 18:46.500 Back then when Kevin Rose was just the guy, like, behind, you know, he was nobody, you know, 18:46.500 --> 18:49.540 he never, like, made himself known, and now he's still a nobody, but he's trying to be 18:49.540 --> 18:53.080 something, you know, and I just, I can't believe it. 18:53.100 --> 18:57.960 Now they changed their name back to just G4 now, so Tech TV's totally gone, just, I think 18:57.960 --> 18:59.320 the whole network's gone to shit, so. 19:00.360 --> 19:02.620 But enough about the screensavers, we don't need to give them that much. 19:02.620 --> 19:05.100 Yeah, enough about Kevin Rose already and his girlfriend. 19:05.360 --> 19:08.660 Other than that, I saw the screensavers last night, I also got a, I had to get a cleaning 19:08.660 --> 19:14.300 tape for my DV camera, because I was going to finally start working and uploading the 19:14.300 --> 19:19.120 DEF CON footage that we took from July, and right when I put the tape in, all my tapes, 19:20.360 --> 19:23.140 they, when I was playing them with my camera, they came out horribly, like, there was, it 19:23.140 --> 19:27.100 was jittery everywhere, there was pixelating everywhere, so, I got a cleaner, I thought 19:27.100 --> 19:30.700 maybe the heads were dirty, I didn't use the camera in a while, I bought a cleaner, 20 19:30.700 --> 19:34.300 bucks for one tape cleaner, and it didn't do the job, so now I have to take it back to 19:34.300 --> 19:36.440 Best Buy, which, I got this camera, I think, in May. 19:37.360 --> 19:38.600 Oh God, here we go again. 19:38.640 --> 19:39.680 With another Best Buy store. 19:39.780 --> 19:43.420 Me and Stang Dung both can't stand Best Buy, and I regret buying this camera at Best Buy. 19:43.420 --> 19:45.320 I had nothing but problems with it. 19:47.120 --> 19:47.520 But. 19:47.680 --> 19:52.920 I could tell you about Best Buy, but then again, getting free car stereos out of them 19:52.920 --> 19:53.560 was pretty cool. 19:53.760 --> 19:54.200 Alright. 19:55.360 --> 19:56.780 We won't talk about that. 19:56.960 --> 20:02.900 Alright, but anyways, yeah, but, other than that, never had problems, nothing but problems 20:02.900 --> 20:07.080 with the folks at Best Buy, so, other than that, with the cameras and stuff, I've been 20:07.080 --> 20:09.600 working on the Doug Show website, new website's up. 20:09.600 --> 20:12.320 Now we just need the actual show, Doug? 20:12.560 --> 20:16.040 Well, I'm taking a trip to Norfolk, Virginia, but I'll be back sometime around March, and 20:16.040 --> 20:19.120 that's probably where we're going to start the actual first official live broadcast. 20:19.300 --> 20:20.160 Hopefully that'll go well. 20:21.420 --> 20:23.220 And, anything new going on with you, Lucky? 20:24.520 --> 20:25.560 No, not really. 20:25.740 --> 20:26.280 Nothing really? 20:26.380 --> 20:26.800 You've been working? 20:27.100 --> 20:27.760 You got a job? 20:27.960 --> 20:28.900 Yeah, I got a job. 20:28.920 --> 20:29.920 You've been kind of finally busy. 20:30.160 --> 20:32.940 Like I said last week, you've been the only DDP member that I know that doesn't really 20:32.940 --> 20:33.800 do much, but. 20:33.980 --> 20:39.240 Hey, I'm working part-time at a pizza place, and we won't say which one. 20:39.240 --> 20:40.380 So you're delivering pizzas? 20:40.820 --> 20:41.080 Yeah. 20:41.660 --> 20:42.360 All right. 20:44.000 --> 20:47.720 Anyways, let's get into the actual show topic. 20:47.960 --> 20:50.700 We were going to talk about this last week, but. 20:51.080 --> 20:51.380 We were? 20:51.840 --> 20:55.400 Well, we were, but you were busy, and we couldn't get a hold of you, so Sting wanted to do a 20:55.400 --> 20:59.480 show with me, and that's when he had me fill in for him, and hopefully I'm doing a good 20:59.480 --> 21:00.420 job, I have no idea. 21:00.880 --> 21:01.420 Probably not. 21:01.560 --> 21:02.980 Probably not, yeah. 21:03.180 --> 21:06.520 But you were at ShmooCon, not last weekend, but the weekend before. 21:06.760 --> 21:07.200 That's right. 21:07.200 --> 21:08.720 That was in Washington, D.C., right? 21:08.720 --> 21:10.620 Yes, that's the District of Columbia. 21:10.740 --> 21:12.300 A lot of people don't know that's not a state. 21:12.940 --> 21:13.680 Well, thank you. 21:14.620 --> 21:17.960 Just letting our audience understand that that's a district. 21:18.440 --> 21:18.840 All right. 21:20.280 --> 21:21.860 So, how was it? 21:22.560 --> 21:23.500 It was pretty good. 21:23.680 --> 21:24.560 A lot of speeches? 21:24.740 --> 21:25.740 Was it more of a party con? 21:26.060 --> 21:27.780 Was it more of, you know, did they have a lot of conferences? 21:27.960 --> 21:28.340 What did they do? 21:29.000 --> 21:32.540 It was more of just a regular con. 21:32.540 --> 21:34.740 I mean, they had a lot of good speeches. 21:36.220 --> 21:40.720 There definitely was a lot of drinking going on, but that was a little more behind the 21:40.720 --> 21:40.960 scenes. 21:41.120 --> 21:41.780 It wasn't actually... 21:42.420 --> 21:43.000 Advertised. 21:43.360 --> 21:43.640 Yeah. 21:43.760 --> 21:45.900 Well, it wasn't like people that were going... 21:45.900 --> 21:48.920 Like, the con was downstairs in the hotel, first of all. 21:48.980 --> 21:49.200 Okay. 21:49.200 --> 21:55.700 And there was three rooms, three speaking tracks, and, you know, no one was sitting there drinking 21:55.700 --> 21:57.960 during the speeches, because they were all really good speeches. 21:58.160 --> 22:01.700 They were all really good security, computer security-related speeches. 22:01.940 --> 22:02.120 Yeah. 22:02.120 --> 22:05.720 Um, you know, there was a lot of good information that was given out. 22:05.800 --> 22:09.420 I gave a speech there with Lance James, and I think that went over pretty well. 22:09.620 --> 22:12.060 Um, a lot of people showed up to that. 22:12.360 --> 22:12.720 Got a... 22:12.720 --> 22:14.800 I saw a lot of good reviews online. 22:15.620 --> 22:20.060 Um, other than that, I mean, I just... 22:20.060 --> 22:21.340 I went to a couple speeches. 22:21.500 --> 22:22.200 It was pretty good. 22:22.360 --> 22:24.580 Um, I went to Fur Nightclub on a... 22:24.580 --> 22:25.660 Their speaker party. 22:26.120 --> 22:26.480 Yeah. 22:27.020 --> 22:28.560 That was all right, but... 22:28.560 --> 22:29.120 Did you... 22:29.120 --> 22:30.920 Kind of a more upscale club. 22:30.920 --> 22:34.000 They were kind of Nazis about the dress code and stuff. 22:34.120 --> 22:37.200 Even though I'm a speaker, they're like, I'm going to tell you right now, I don't like 22:37.200 --> 22:37.820 your shoes. 22:37.980 --> 22:38.180 What? 22:38.740 --> 22:41.920 Yeah, I don't like your face, but, you know, I'm just here for the open... 22:41.920 --> 22:43.960 I'm just here for the open bar, you know? 22:44.120 --> 22:44.280 Yeah. 22:44.280 --> 22:45.360 Which closed early. 22:45.900 --> 22:46.320 Oh, great. 22:46.460 --> 22:48.320 Oh, we had a $3,000 limit. 22:49.220 --> 22:50.700 Okay, well, what the hell? 22:50.780 --> 22:51.980 Yeah, you know, I didn't go to ShmooCon. 22:52.140 --> 22:52.500 I don't know... 22:52.500 --> 22:56.100 Maybe if I had the money, I probably would have gone, because I've been to Washington, D.C. 22:56.120 --> 22:58.940 quite a few times, and, you know, I've always had a good time at Washington, D.C. 22:58.940 --> 23:00.900 by itself, but the ShmooCon I heard that everyone had a 23:00.900 --> 23:03.180 good time, you know, and, you know, I probably... 23:03.180 --> 23:07.620 Well, I've never been to Washington, D.C., so, I mean, it was quite a good experience 23:07.620 --> 23:08.240 for myself. 23:08.400 --> 23:12.260 I mean, I got to go see all the monuments, and, you know, I got to see the White House 23:12.260 --> 23:13.280 and stuff for the first time. 23:13.360 --> 23:17.120 That was pretty cool, and, I mean, the conference in general was just very cool. 23:17.360 --> 23:21.740 It was definitely worth the $200 for late registration if you had to pay that. 23:21.880 --> 23:22.200 Really? 23:22.320 --> 23:22.680 $200? 23:23.180 --> 23:24.760 Yeah, well, that was for late registration. 23:25.220 --> 23:25.540 Wow. 23:25.540 --> 23:27.200 I think it was $99 for regular. 23:27.560 --> 23:28.460 That's more than DEFCON. 23:29.220 --> 23:31.160 But, of course, I got in for free, so... 23:31.160 --> 23:32.620 What the hell do I care? 23:32.700 --> 23:34.140 But it really wasn't free. 23:34.280 --> 23:35.380 Well, you got in for free... 23:35.380 --> 23:36.440 Was it for speaking? 23:36.680 --> 23:38.100 No, I got in free for speaking. 23:38.240 --> 23:40.540 They even paid me $100, but somehow... 23:40.540 --> 23:40.820 What? 23:41.620 --> 23:42.340 For speaking? 23:42.500 --> 23:42.860 Yes! 23:43.080 --> 23:43.400 Wow. 23:43.400 --> 23:44.760 They gave me an honorarium, but... 23:44.760 --> 23:46.440 DEFCON never paid you for speaking. 23:47.180 --> 23:48.200 Actually, yes, they did. 23:48.280 --> 23:48.540 Oh, they did. 23:48.540 --> 23:50.420 At the last one, they started paying their speakers. 23:50.420 --> 23:51.140 Oh, okay. 23:52.400 --> 23:58.800 But besides that, it really wasn't free, per se, because I got a $450 credit card bill 23:58.800 --> 24:04.940 right now that I still need to pay off, and I got a cell phone bill that's sitting at 24:04.940 --> 24:07.640 home that still isn't paid, so... 24:07.640 --> 24:08.260 That's not good. 24:08.760 --> 24:11.320 And, of course, I got this part-time job, so... 24:11.320 --> 24:11.620 Yeah, that's not good. 24:11.620 --> 24:13.120 So I was trying to find a way to pay my bills. 24:13.440 --> 24:14.340 Yeah, that's not good. 24:15.160 --> 24:16.900 Yeah, I've only been to DEFCON. 24:16.960 --> 24:18.640 Out of all these cons, I've only been to DEFCON. 24:18.640 --> 24:21.940 My first time was last year, of course, July. 24:23.040 --> 24:25.460 And I had a terrific time, and I'm looking forward for the next DEFCON. 24:25.540 --> 24:26.640 The problem is, I've never... 24:27.180 --> 24:30.240 Like, Hope, I was thinking about going to Hope, but then again, my mom wouldn't let 24:30.240 --> 24:31.080 me, because it was in New York. 24:31.160 --> 24:32.320 She's like, maybe next year, you know? 24:32.620 --> 24:37.580 But the thing with all the cons, like, with DEFCON, you have Las Vegas. 24:37.720 --> 24:39.720 So if you get tired of the con, you got Vegas. 24:40.260 --> 24:43.040 With Hope, you have New York, which is also a great city. 24:43.560 --> 24:45.440 And even with ShmooCon, you got Washington, D.C. 24:45.440 --> 24:46.580 There's a lot of places to check out. 24:46.580 --> 24:50.000 But with Freaknik, it really just didn't interest me all that much, because it's in 24:50.000 --> 24:53.500 Tennessee, and I really don't see anything interesting in Tennessee. 24:53.620 --> 24:56.920 No offense to anyone that lives out there, but you got the cities with all these other 24:56.920 --> 24:57.280 cons. 24:57.860 --> 24:59.020 With Tennessee, it's Tennessee. 24:59.180 --> 25:00.800 I mean, how was Freaknik? 25:00.920 --> 25:03.160 I mean, you guys have talked about Freaknik before, but... 25:03.160 --> 25:05.720 Yeah, I'm not going to comment on Freaknik anymore. 25:06.100 --> 25:07.060 Was it really that bad? 25:08.920 --> 25:11.080 Like I said, I'm not going to comment on Freaknik anymore. 25:11.160 --> 25:12.720 I've made my comments in previous shows. 25:12.720 --> 25:16.940 All right, well, yeah, I don't want to bring up past shows again, but out of all the cons, 25:17.060 --> 25:21.940 DEFCON, and even when you went to H2K two years ago, and... 25:21.940 --> 25:22.940 H2K2. 25:23.400 --> 25:23.760 H2K2. 25:23.840 --> 25:24.400 Yeah, not H2K. 25:25.080 --> 25:27.320 H2K2 and Freaknik and everything, was ShmooCon the best? 25:27.800 --> 25:30.080 Yeah, I'd have to say ShmooCon was pretty much the best. 25:30.220 --> 25:32.900 DEFCON is obviously, it's a pretty big con. 25:33.020 --> 25:34.080 It gets a lot of attraction. 25:34.900 --> 25:37.000 But most of it is just drunken idiots. 25:37.100 --> 25:39.280 I'm sorry to say it, but that's pretty much what it is. 25:39.280 --> 25:42.960 Which is fun and all, but, you know... 25:42.960 --> 25:45.780 Yeah, I mean, it's a fun con to attend. 25:46.100 --> 25:48.000 They do have some good talks there also. 25:49.020 --> 25:53.080 But most people are way too drunk and forget to go see the good talks, so... 25:53.080 --> 25:53.380 Yeah. 25:53.640 --> 25:53.980 You know. 25:55.300 --> 25:59.160 Yeah, and I mean, DEFCON is more for the capture the flag type people. 25:59.320 --> 26:01.580 I mean, that's pretty much what it's for there. 26:02.320 --> 26:04.420 But did you learn anything really new? 26:04.420 --> 26:08.280 Any kind of exciting speeches or anything at ShmooCon? 26:09.280 --> 26:13.160 Um, yeah, I did, um... 26:13.160 --> 26:14.500 What was your speech about? 26:14.900 --> 26:18.900 Oh, well, our speech was about voice over IP and... 26:18.900 --> 26:19.900 Figures, but... 26:19.900 --> 26:21.560 Yeah, of course, right? 26:21.740 --> 26:22.240 What else? 26:22.280 --> 26:23.740 Either call R.D. or voice... 26:23.740 --> 26:25.040 Yeah, I had to do... 26:25.040 --> 26:26.860 Was it the same speech at DEFCON? 26:26.900 --> 26:27.420 It was... 26:27.420 --> 26:28.240 Actually, yeah. 26:28.320 --> 26:29.420 It was more... 26:29.420 --> 26:34.600 Lance James talked a lot about SIP, and it was very informative about that. 26:34.600 --> 26:40.140 Um, I know Nat has said he learned a few things about SIP that he didn't know before that. 26:40.720 --> 26:42.260 And, um... 26:42.260 --> 26:46.920 Of course, I gave pretty much the same speech that I gave at DEFCON before. 26:47.640 --> 26:53.180 Uh, basically because every time I give a speech, I usually do it with another speaker. 26:53.680 --> 26:58.500 And what usually happens is I speak second, and my time always gets cut short. 26:58.500 --> 27:03.780 And I don't feel that I got to really get the information out there that I wanted to 27:03.780 --> 27:07.800 at DEFCON, and I felt like this was like a second chance, like... 27:07.800 --> 27:12.560 And I gave more of the information that was supposed to be given out at DEFCON, and an 27:12.560 --> 27:17.140 explanation of why it works and how it works, and why people should be concerned about it. 27:17.140 --> 27:22.180 Yeah, I noticed that at DEFCON, too, there was a lot that you guys couldn't cover, you 27:22.180 --> 27:22.580 and Strom. 27:22.700 --> 27:24.160 There was a lot more that you needed to talk to. 27:24.220 --> 27:26.700 You never got to demonstrate the Callerity spoofing, you know? 27:26.760 --> 27:30.480 You just talked about, like, the very basics about how phones work, and then right when 27:30.480 --> 27:32.580 you started getting into the good stuff, that time's up, you know? 27:32.660 --> 27:34.260 And I thought that kind of was bad. 27:34.980 --> 27:35.200 Yeah. 27:36.120 --> 27:39.840 All right, well, I actually want to talk to you about Callerity spoofing, but before we 27:39.840 --> 27:43.940 get into that, uh, debate, um, is there anything else at ShmooCon, besides it being 27:43.940 --> 27:45.820 number one and all great and everything? 27:45.820 --> 27:49.940 Yeah, I wanted to talk about, uh, one of the speeches that I thought was pretty cool. 27:50.500 --> 27:52.560 Uh, well, first of all, I saw Jason Scott there. 27:52.780 --> 27:53.100 Oh, really? 27:53.200 --> 27:53.880 I got to mention that to you. 27:54.040 --> 27:57.240 I saw Jason Scott at DEFCON, but I didn't go up to say hi, because I don't even think 27:57.240 --> 27:58.740 the guy knows me or anything, but... 27:58.740 --> 28:01.920 No, no, actually, you did mention a couple things about Default Radio. 28:02.040 --> 28:02.420 Oh, really? 28:02.740 --> 28:05.880 And Binrev, and, uh, and RFA, and... 28:05.880 --> 28:06.240 Cool. 28:06.360 --> 28:11.440 You know, he thinks it's cool that we sort of started this whole little internet radio, like, 28:11.540 --> 28:14.540 feed, and now there's all this podcasting and everything else, and... 28:14.540 --> 28:18.520 Yeah, I was talking to Stink with that, uh, last night, but before we started doing the 28:18.520 --> 28:23.620 show about podcasts, and we even brought this up on the show, people are acting like this 28:23.620 --> 28:24.100 is new. 28:24.580 --> 28:24.820 Yeah. 28:24.880 --> 28:28.400 With this podcasting, they're like, oh, this is the newest, best thing ever, internet radio, 28:28.500 --> 28:30.520 oh, who thought to put talk on internet radio? 28:30.520 --> 28:35.080 So, and, uh, people have been doing this for years, and we talked about RFA, it started 28:35.080 --> 28:37.480 in, you know, 2000, what, 2001, 2002? 28:37.880 --> 28:38.120 Yeah. 28:38.340 --> 28:39.740 I think 2002, two years, yeah. 28:40.260 --> 28:42.620 Yeah, this has been around for a long time, right? 28:42.660 --> 28:44.720 Radio's been doing this since 98, you know? 28:45.000 --> 28:46.260 This is not new, so... 28:46.260 --> 28:49.860 The Boss Hog Show that I talked about a little bit, uh, before the show with you. 28:49.860 --> 28:51.580 Right, right, and they, yeah, they're like a... 28:51.580 --> 28:52.700 The Boss Hog Show dot com. 28:52.700 --> 28:54.740 Aren't they, aren't they like a default radio, you said? 28:54.980 --> 28:59.300 No, no, they're just a streaming internet radio show, uh, they're based out of Austin, 28:59.440 --> 29:01.620 it's not really technical, it's more of a little talk show. 29:01.740 --> 29:02.000 Really? 29:02.260 --> 29:03.420 Kind of like our show it's gonna be? 29:03.760 --> 29:05.860 Uh, I don't know, I haven't really listened to it. 29:05.880 --> 29:08.460 Well, we'll listen to it, and then we'll, we'll steal their ideas, and then see how 29:08.460 --> 29:09.760 works, no, I'm just kidding, but anyways. 29:09.880 --> 29:10.440 Yeah, it'll be awesome. 29:10.700 --> 29:14.100 But, uh, what else, so, uh, you're talking about speech. 29:14.380 --> 29:21.060 Oh, yeah, there was one speech that was pretty cool, um, on cable internet, uh, or not 29:21.060 --> 29:26.760 cable internet, cable TV hacky, now to the, oh, the hotel rooms, basically. 29:27.000 --> 29:27.280 The hotel rooms? 29:27.480 --> 29:33.960 Yeah, basically, um, you know, the, the pay services are all, there's basically like a 29:33.960 --> 29:39.100 computer inside the TV, and he was showing you that on most of the, most of the hotel 29:39.100 --> 29:44.000 systems, it's real simple, you can just bring your own TV in, unplug the cable, and plug 29:44.000 --> 29:48.100 it, and plug it straight into your TV, and you get the live feed of everything, you can 29:48.100 --> 29:50.260 watch all the pay channels for free, and all. 29:50.260 --> 29:50.500 Really? 29:50.500 --> 29:53.400 Yeah, all kinds of, so it's the actual television that's locked. 29:53.620 --> 29:53.880 Yeah. 29:55.040 --> 29:57.400 Anyone could, because they have, you can get a portable TV. 29:57.600 --> 30:01.620 Yeah, the, there's like a computer inside there that tells what room number it is, and 30:01.620 --> 30:06.400 what room number to bill, and everything, and, uh, I guess in theory you could actually 30:06.400 --> 30:11.500 bill, like, pay-per-views to other rooms, and, fuck, yeah, and all kinds of other things, 30:11.540 --> 30:18.180 and this guy was also talking about the TVs themselves, if you, um, if you take a PDA, and you 30:18.180 --> 30:24.180 put the infrared mode on, and you set it to the same TV, and you change a few hex digits 30:24.180 --> 30:27.360 on, uh, like, the power button or something like that. 30:27.440 --> 30:27.620 Yeah. 30:27.780 --> 30:33.280 You can, if you change a few digits, you can find secret codes that the maids use, and stuff 30:33.280 --> 30:33.800 like that. 30:33.860 --> 30:34.200 Wow. 30:34.200 --> 30:38.440 Uh, yeah, like, when the maid comes in your room, she, she has, like, a remote that she 30:38.440 --> 30:42.920 can press, like, saying that the room is done, and then, so she doesn't have to actually write 30:42.920 --> 30:44.160 it down, or anything like that. 30:44.760 --> 30:48.860 You know, and same with, like, checking out of your room, and stuff like that, and, in 30:48.860 --> 30:52.700 theory, you could, you can actually go through these programming menus, and check other people 30:52.700 --> 30:55.000 out of their room, and all kinds of other weird stuff. 30:55.200 --> 30:56.040 That's pretty cool. 30:56.540 --> 31:01.660 Yeah, it was, it was a really cool talk, and, um, I don't know, you'd have to Google 31:01.660 --> 31:06.100 it, and I forgot who did the speech, but, um, it was a really, it was a really awesome 31:06.100 --> 31:11.620 talk, I think the same guy talked about, um, he was talking about infrared and wireless 31:11.620 --> 31:15.940 stuff, and things of that nature, and he started talking about how his wife had actually got 31:15.940 --> 31:21.600 locked out of her car, somehow the remote didn't, wasn't syncing with her, uh, car for 31:21.600 --> 31:28.480 the car alarm, and she called up the manufacturer, and the manufacturer said, yeah, uh, you have 31:28.480 --> 31:33.820 to put in this reset code, you know, like, unlock, lock, panic, unlock, something like 31:33.820 --> 31:37.040 that, some simple reset code that you could get from the manufacturer. 31:37.440 --> 31:42.400 Anyways, um, she had wrote down the code and gave, and gave it to him, and the next time, 31:42.640 --> 31:47.280 this guy, this guy went out, uh, with his friend, who had a similar car, I guess the same 31:47.280 --> 31:52.040 make, or whatever, and he noticed that the key fob was the same, it was the same one 31:52.040 --> 31:56.080 that his wife had for her car, and he said, you know what, can I, can I see that, I want 31:56.080 --> 31:57.100 to see something real quick. 31:57.580 --> 32:02.240 So, they went into a parking garage, and they parked, and he punches in the reset code, and 32:02.240 --> 32:04.420 sure enough, it unlocked, it unlocked his friend's car. 32:04.860 --> 32:05.220 Right. 32:05.820 --> 32:09.620 Um, along with, like, half of the other cars in the parking lot. 32:09.780 --> 32:10.600 Oh my god. 32:10.720 --> 32:12.960 He just heard all the locks unlock, you know. 32:12.960 --> 32:14.040 Oh my god, that's funny. 32:14.040 --> 32:15.540 I mean, talk about being on default. 32:15.540 --> 32:16.300 Well, yeah. 32:16.500 --> 32:17.980 The cars are on default, man. 32:18.680 --> 32:19.200 Yeah, man. 32:19.280 --> 32:23.940 Oh, and have you heard about those RFID, uh, that the RFID tags were recently hacked? 32:24.200 --> 32:24.420 No. 32:24.420 --> 32:26.420 This was on Security Focus a couple weeks ago. 32:26.520 --> 32:27.180 What's that all about? 32:27.960 --> 32:33.560 Um, I don't know, some, some group had hacked those RFID tags that they use at, like, mobile 32:33.560 --> 32:34.720 for getting gas. 32:35.080 --> 32:35.700 Oh, okay. 32:35.800 --> 32:40.020 And stuff like that, and people also use them in their cars to unlock their cars, and stuff 32:40.020 --> 32:40.420 like that. 32:41.040 --> 32:45.520 Anyways, they had cracked the encryption on it, and they could actually, they could actually 32:45.520 --> 32:49.300 like, clone people's, like, mobile, uh, key fobs. 32:49.500 --> 32:49.860 Wow. 32:50.160 --> 32:50.480 Yeah. 32:51.040 --> 32:55.820 So, I mean, I was like, wow, and plus you can, plus they use the same technology to unlock 32:55.820 --> 32:56.160 cars. 32:56.260 --> 33:01.260 I'm like, wow, you can use an RFID to steal a car and then steal the gas for it, too. 33:03.180 --> 33:05.180 Oh man, that's pretty bad, Lucky. 33:05.660 --> 33:08.240 Well, I was just laying, you know, like, that's pretty sad. 33:08.560 --> 33:09.300 That's pretty bad. 33:09.420 --> 33:09.980 But anyways. 33:10.680 --> 33:14.080 And there was another speech, I think it was on Sunday morning, in the Birds of a Feather 33:14.080 --> 33:14.460 Track. 33:15.020 --> 33:18.260 Um, I can't remember this guy's name, he's pretty cool, though. 33:18.820 --> 33:21.360 Google this guy, too, he's really awesome. 33:21.360 --> 33:25.120 That's understandable, there's a lot of people, that's understandable, though, because there's 33:25.120 --> 33:28.140 a lot of people at cons, you can't remember everyone's name, you know, so. 33:28.660 --> 33:30.760 Yeah, but this guy was really cool. 33:30.940 --> 33:32.320 He's done quite a couple speeches. 33:32.480 --> 33:35.260 He's spoke at DEFCON, he's even spoke for the NSA. 33:35.900 --> 33:36.160 Really? 33:36.440 --> 33:37.100 Yeah, this guy. 33:37.220 --> 33:38.100 What does that mean? 33:38.180 --> 33:41.500 He spoke for the NSA, what do you, NSA is cons, when can we go? 33:42.160 --> 33:46.260 I don't know, he spoke for the NSA, that's what's said on his website, I'm pretty sure. 33:46.460 --> 33:47.040 NSA con? 33:48.180 --> 33:48.540 Anyways. 33:49.380 --> 33:52.860 Anyways, besides speaking at the NSA con and all this, what was the speech about? 33:52.860 --> 33:58.760 Um, this particular speech was about, uh, I can't remember the title, but it was about 33:58.760 --> 33:59.420 perception. 33:59.840 --> 34:00.060 Uh-huh. 34:00.060 --> 34:07.480 Uh, not really anything too technical, but more or less, how people perceive things, and 34:07.480 --> 34:08.800 things of that nature. 34:09.380 --> 34:16.640 For instance, I mean, you go war driving, you see a bunch of Linksys APs that are all on 34:16.640 --> 34:17.340 default, right? 34:17.340 --> 34:18.120 Oh yeah, everywhere. 34:18.260 --> 34:20.420 You know, and especially at businesses and stuff. 34:20.420 --> 34:26.860 And whoever sold this to the, to, you know, there might be a, quote, system administrator, 34:27.480 --> 34:28.960 but he doesn't know his head from his ass. 34:29.140 --> 34:32.620 He's leaving, he's leaving the Wi-Fi wide open. 34:32.780 --> 34:33.840 Good way of putting it, but yeah. 34:34.180 --> 34:38.600 He's leaving Wi-Fi wide open with the default SSID of Linksys, you know. 34:38.600 --> 34:43.480 Uh, and basically, the whole point is, this guy thinks he's secure. 34:43.740 --> 34:45.960 Otherwise, he wouldn't have it set up like this. 34:46.120 --> 34:46.260 Mm-hmm. 34:46.320 --> 34:51.800 He bought a product that he thought, you know, oh, it's only gonna work inside my office. 34:52.080 --> 34:54.460 The radio waves can't go outside the office. 34:55.140 --> 34:55.800 You know. 34:56.580 --> 34:57.460 All right. 34:57.840 --> 35:03.240 Um, well, the point is, um, now I remember the name of the speech. 35:03.240 --> 35:09.680 It was like, Zen and perception, or when is a network not a network. 35:10.160 --> 35:10.460 Okay. 35:10.800 --> 35:18.160 Um, and basically what it's saying is, is this guy seeing one network, his, which he thinks 35:18.160 --> 35:18.700 is secure. 35:18.920 --> 35:19.220 Right. 35:19.400 --> 35:22.220 And anyone who's war driving is seeing another network. 35:22.440 --> 35:25.540 A wide open one that's not secure or anything else. 35:25.720 --> 35:25.940 Yeah. 35:26.180 --> 35:32.140 And basically, it was all about perception and how people think and how we get to certain 35:32.140 --> 35:34.520 places, and I don't know, dude. 35:34.520 --> 35:37.720 It was just like, it was a really fulfilling speech. 35:38.080 --> 35:38.220 Mm-hmm. 35:39.000 --> 35:41.760 Um, you know, it really, I, I emailed this guy, too. 35:41.920 --> 35:46.100 You know, it went a lot with, uh, some of the quotes that I have on my bin ref sig, for 35:46.100 --> 35:53.780 instance, uh, you know, he was talking about, he was talking about, like, stuff like, if 35:53.780 --> 35:56.800 the government bans free speech, people are still gonna speak. 35:57.000 --> 35:57.260 Yeah. 35:57.260 --> 36:03.100 Um, you know, basically, you know, like, one of the, one of my sigs is, if freedom is 36:03.100 --> 36:04.960 to be outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom. 36:05.140 --> 36:05.460 All right. 36:05.560 --> 36:09.620 You know, and that's pretty much how it is, is everything is all about perception. 36:09.860 --> 36:14.560 People can say, you know, you can make laws and stuff to try and ban people from doing 36:14.560 --> 36:18.180 things, but people are still going to be able to do those things. 36:18.180 --> 36:21.500 Just because it's written that you can't, doesn't mean that you can't. 36:21.580 --> 36:21.860 Yeah. 36:21.860 --> 36:26.940 You know, and he was talking about how when people, like, learn things, like, when you 36:26.940 --> 36:29.140 get a new, you get a new employee, you gotta train them. 36:29.340 --> 36:31.380 You train them how to do something step by step. 36:31.460 --> 36:32.400 You do it like this. 36:32.560 --> 36:32.820 Right. 36:32.940 --> 36:38.420 And the employee's gonna be like, well, you know, they, they don't understand why they 36:38.420 --> 36:39.360 have to do it like this. 36:39.420 --> 36:42.100 They, they just understand that they have to do it like this. 36:42.200 --> 36:42.340 Yeah. 36:42.340 --> 36:43.320 They're trained to do it like that. 36:43.740 --> 36:48.620 Well, eventually, when you start working there, you're gonna start noticing shortcuts and you're 36:48.620 --> 36:50.280 gonna break the rules a little bit, you know? 36:50.280 --> 36:53.280 You're gonna, you're gonna do things more faster and efficiently. 36:53.540 --> 36:56.740 But then there's other people who can't perceive like that. 36:56.900 --> 37:01.820 And they'll just continue to, you know, do things step by step by step, because that's 37:01.820 --> 37:04.040 how they were taught to do it, and they don't ask any questions. 37:04.260 --> 37:04.620 Exactly. 37:04.980 --> 37:07.480 And, I don't know, it was just a really good talk. 37:07.560 --> 37:08.520 Yeah, I mean, you had to be there. 37:09.240 --> 37:10.360 Which, of course, I wasn't. 37:10.640 --> 37:11.800 Yeah, of course. 37:12.860 --> 37:15.820 I really hope someone got a video of that talk, because it was, it was. 37:16.120 --> 37:20.080 Speaking of video, did they take, uh, did ShmooCon do the video themselves? 37:20.080 --> 37:21.200 When they do video of the speeches? 37:21.320 --> 37:24.040 There was, there was, I don't think there was any video of the speeches. 37:24.360 --> 37:27.560 Because at, like, Defcon, they had that whole thing where, you know, you couldn't record 37:27.560 --> 37:29.940 inside because that's copyrighted by them. 37:29.980 --> 37:32.000 And I, I really didn't like that, you know? 37:32.080 --> 37:35.580 I don't, did the ShmooCon do the same policy as Defcon did? 37:35.580 --> 37:36.080 No, not at all. 37:36.080 --> 37:36.520 Not at all. 37:36.780 --> 37:41.300 There was people, there were definitely people with their hand, hand cams, um, recording 37:41.300 --> 37:41.780 stuff. 37:42.380 --> 37:46.340 But, ShmooCon themselves did not record any speeches, I don't think. 37:46.580 --> 37:46.820 Uh-huh. 37:46.860 --> 37:51.080 Maybe they recorded the audio, I'm not sure, but they definitely weren't doing any video. 37:51.280 --> 37:55.060 Yeah, because that was the one thing with Defcon, when you do a speech at Defcon, they 37:55.060 --> 37:55.480 own it. 37:56.240 --> 37:56.500 Yeah. 37:56.640 --> 37:57.640 Right, they own the whole speech. 37:57.640 --> 38:02.740 And the Sound of Music or something like that owns it, I don't know, some, some, some 38:02.740 --> 38:03.840 company like that. 38:03.940 --> 38:06.860 All right, well, that was the thing, you cannot film your own speech. 38:06.860 --> 38:10.180 Like, they would let me, um, film at all, like, I couldn't tape, I could tape after the 38:10.180 --> 38:12.960 speech, that was fine, but I couldn't tape during the speech, you know, which sucks isn't, 38:13.020 --> 38:16.140 I can't put that on, you know, Doug TV, of course, unless I want to pay him, I think 38:16.140 --> 38:21.860 it was like 80 bucks for a VHS cassette, something like that, I don't know, of your speech that 38:21.860 --> 38:22.360 you did. 38:23.100 --> 38:25.920 So, I thought that was kind of messed up, but at least ShmooCon didn't do that. 38:25.920 --> 38:28.120 Yeah, ShmooCon sounds like it was really, uh... 38:28.120 --> 38:30.700 It was really chill, and, uh, very informative. 38:31.680 --> 38:33.100 Yeah, probably, is it every year? 38:33.720 --> 38:35.860 Uh, I think it's gonna be an annual thing, yeah. 38:36.000 --> 38:38.740 All right, yeah, well, next year, then, most definitely, I'm still going to Defcon. 38:39.380 --> 38:40.600 By the way, you're going to Defcon this year? 38:41.020 --> 38:41.660 Yes, I am. 38:41.880 --> 38:42.540 You have money for it? 38:43.180 --> 38:44.340 Because I know you just said... 38:44.340 --> 38:45.920 Okay, um, maybe I'm not. 38:46.380 --> 38:49.120 You just thought of it, because you said, credit card bill, everything. 38:49.840 --> 38:54.440 Yeah, um, that, yeah, that really did disappoint me a little bit, is, uh, my, running 38:54.440 --> 38:58.980 up my credit card bill, because, I don't know, I wanted to go to Layer 1, I know that's 38:58.980 --> 39:00.920 not happening, I'd like to go to Defcon. 39:01.100 --> 39:01.700 Where's Layer 1? 39:02.340 --> 39:05.380 Uh, it's in Pasadena, I think, at the Pasadena Hilton. 39:05.960 --> 39:06.200 Here? 39:06.560 --> 39:06.820 Yeah. 39:06.900 --> 39:07.320 Oh, wow. 39:07.580 --> 39:08.060 I didn't know that. 39:08.760 --> 39:09.800 Yeah, right here in California. 39:10.100 --> 39:13.740 Um, I wanted to go there, but I don't think I'm gonna have the money for it. 39:14.280 --> 39:15.480 Uh, I wanna go to Defcon. 39:16.100 --> 39:19.000 Probably won't have the money for that, but I'll probably end up doing it anyways. 39:19.000 --> 39:21.060 You gotta, you gotta go anyways, man. 39:21.500 --> 39:24.660 Uh, Defcon, there's gonna be a lot more people there at Defcon this year. 39:24.900 --> 39:28.940 Even Stained Dog is going, you know, and much more people at DDP, because they all went 39:28.940 --> 39:31.860 to Hope, you know, and, of course, it's timed at the same time, you know. 39:32.260 --> 39:32.460 Yeah. 39:32.560 --> 39:35.840 But, uh, yeah, I think Defcon this year's gonna be a lot better than it was last year, you 39:35.840 --> 39:38.600 know, and there's a lot of people that say, oh, all those people from Hope are coming, 39:38.720 --> 39:42.200 I'm not going this year, then whatever, screw them, you know, but you gotta find a way 39:42.200 --> 39:42.500 to go. 39:42.820 --> 39:44.200 Yeah, I sure hope so. 39:44.300 --> 39:46.020 Because I don't wanna fly a plane alone to Vegas, you know. 39:46.020 --> 39:48.780 Man, this is disgusting. 39:48.900 --> 39:54.200 Have you ever tried this Dr. Pepper, uh, not just Dr. Pepper, Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper? 39:54.800 --> 39:56.080 Diet Cherry Vanilla what? 39:56.680 --> 40:01.620 It's Dr. Pepper with cherry, which I think is bad by itself, with also vanilla, which is 40:01.620 --> 40:02.740 worse, and it's a diet. 40:03.680 --> 40:03.940 Okay. 40:04.120 --> 40:05.440 I don't know who came up with the idea, but anyways. 40:05.800 --> 40:06.200 Idiots. 40:06.380 --> 40:06.580 Yeah. 40:06.920 --> 40:07.240 Morons. 40:07.740 --> 40:10.340 Back to, back to your speech about Callerty spoofing. 40:11.540 --> 40:14.120 I wanna bring this up on this show right here. 40:14.120 --> 40:20.620 No, you sure this shouldn't be like a Kevin, a Kevin Stark tip, or something like that? 40:20.860 --> 40:23.720 I know you're obsessed with Kevin Rose, just drop it for a minute, alright? 40:24.860 --> 40:28.120 You're just jealous because you don't have Sarah Lane, just drop it, anyways. 40:28.300 --> 40:28.480 Okay. 40:29.160 --> 40:31.100 Alright, alright, let's just screw this, alright. 40:32.000 --> 40:32.860 Callerty spoofing. 40:33.300 --> 40:36.040 Now that's your big thing, you're all into that Callerty spoofing. 40:36.220 --> 40:40.440 You're not into people that use Callerty, right? 40:40.800 --> 40:41.780 Uh, no. 40:42.440 --> 40:42.720 Okay. 40:43.900 --> 40:48.280 Explain to me why you have a problem with people that look at their Callerty, and not 40:48.280 --> 40:51.800 only that look at their Callerty, have services such as anonymous call rejection, which rejects 40:51.800 --> 40:53.340 people with a private number that call you. 40:54.300 --> 40:56.400 What pisses you off so much about this? 40:57.180 --> 41:00.900 Because, why can't people just answer their phone? 41:01.280 --> 41:05.500 Why do they have to pay all this money for services that are worthless anyways? 41:05.500 --> 41:11.700 Anyone can go to covertcall.com and pay 5 cents a minute to show any number they want on 41:11.700 --> 41:13.240 your, uh, on your display. 41:13.780 --> 41:19.400 And of course, uh, as you know, with asterisk, you can even spoof the Caller ID name now on 41:19.400 --> 41:20.160 certain switches. 41:20.500 --> 41:20.740 Right. 41:20.980 --> 41:24.860 So, I mean, I can put whatever the hell I want on your Caller ID display. 41:25.100 --> 41:28.260 So why don't you just answer your phone no matter where I'm calling from? 41:29.100 --> 41:29.540 Alright. 41:30.280 --> 41:32.200 I'm not gonna, I don't wanna, like, make this an argument. 41:32.280 --> 41:32.980 I'm just gonna give opinion. 41:32.980 --> 41:34.920 I mean, we'll give, we'll do a whole politically incorrect style here. 41:37.160 --> 41:42.320 The thing with Caller ID is, when I'm getting a call, at a certain time, I don't feel like 41:42.320 --> 41:43.460 talking to a certain person. 41:43.600 --> 41:47.320 Not anything mean, it's just that I'm in a certain situation at the time where I just 41:47.320 --> 41:47.980 don't feel like talking. 41:48.100 --> 41:51.280 And instead of, you know, telling you that, picking up my phone, wasting an airtime minute, 41:52.120 --> 41:52.760 I'm gonna just... 41:52.760 --> 41:53.820 Turn your cell phone off. 41:53.960 --> 41:56.140 No, because there's certain people I want to talk to. 41:57.420 --> 41:58.560 You understand what I'm saying? 41:59.180 --> 42:00.280 Now, I do understand. 42:00.420 --> 42:01.840 I have no problem with people that spoof. 42:01.840 --> 42:03.020 I'm all for Caller ID spoofing. 42:03.060 --> 42:04.060 I'm not saying, oh, you shouldn't do that. 42:04.080 --> 42:05.640 That's, you know, manipulating Caller ID. 42:05.740 --> 42:07.100 No, I'm all for Caller ID spoofing. 42:07.220 --> 42:11.060 But the people that I talk to can't Caller ID spoof. 42:12.160 --> 42:12.920 Look, Doug. 42:13.900 --> 42:14.880 You're 16, okay? 42:15.120 --> 42:15.460 Right. 42:15.500 --> 42:16.160 You're not a doctor. 42:16.280 --> 42:17.220 You're not running a business. 42:17.440 --> 42:18.760 You're not not theory over here. 42:19.120 --> 42:21.040 You don't need a cell phone, first of all. 42:21.540 --> 42:22.420 You don't need one. 42:22.480 --> 42:23.440 Do you need a cell phone? 42:23.440 --> 42:23.620 No. 42:24.020 --> 42:24.580 No, I don't. 42:24.840 --> 42:25.160 Okay. 42:25.320 --> 42:25.820 Neither do I. 42:25.920 --> 42:26.780 I'm all for that. 42:26.840 --> 42:28.120 I don't really care about cell phones. 42:28.220 --> 42:29.240 I could live fine without it. 42:29.240 --> 42:30.780 I live months and months without a cell phone. 42:30.780 --> 42:36.820 My point is when I'm out with someone, such as my girlfriend, or I'm out at work or something 42:36.820 --> 42:39.340 like that, I turn my phone off. 42:39.480 --> 42:41.040 Why don't you turn your phone when you're doing bin rep? 42:42.400 --> 42:43.140 But anyways. 42:44.280 --> 42:44.620 All right. 42:44.880 --> 42:46.540 I understand that. 42:46.540 --> 42:51.320 But the problem is I have nothing wrong with Caller ID. 42:51.400 --> 42:52.400 It's not that I look at Caller ID. 42:52.520 --> 42:56.700 It's the fact that people that make their Caller ID private, why do you have to have a private 42:56.700 --> 42:57.140 Caller ID? 42:57.260 --> 42:58.260 Why can't you just show me your number? 42:59.480 --> 42:59.760 Because. 43:00.040 --> 43:02.020 Why do I have to show you my phone number? 43:02.040 --> 43:03.000 Because you have my number. 43:03.220 --> 43:05.240 Why can't you have the same respect of showing who you are? 43:05.300 --> 43:08.540 Why do you have to hide yourself and make you, oh, I want to have a wild card here. 43:08.580 --> 43:09.560 You don't know who's calling you. 43:09.660 --> 43:11.000 Why can't you just say, oh, it's me calling you? 43:11.740 --> 43:13.720 Because you know that you might get ignored. 43:13.840 --> 43:17.180 That's the only people that get pissed off are people that are subject to being ignored. 43:18.460 --> 43:18.980 No, dude. 43:19.040 --> 43:19.240 No. 43:19.640 --> 43:24.120 Actually, some people have complete Caller ID blocking on their line, and they don't feel 43:24.120 --> 43:25.400 like dialing Star 82. 43:25.640 --> 43:26.480 They just feel like dialing. 43:26.480 --> 43:28.060 Why do they have complete Caller ID blocking? 43:28.440 --> 43:34.360 Because they don't want to call, when they're making a call to a business who has no idea 43:34.360 --> 43:38.480 who the hell you are, and you just want to make a, you just want to ask the business a 43:38.480 --> 43:41.000 question about them, or something like that. 43:41.300 --> 43:42.840 Then star 67 to them. 43:43.100 --> 43:44.520 They don't need to know your number. 43:44.680 --> 43:44.900 No. 43:45.080 --> 43:46.040 Then star 67 to them. 43:46.060 --> 43:48.400 But when you call friends and family, show your number. 43:49.100 --> 43:49.360 No. 43:49.480 --> 43:52.000 There's no reason for your number to be shown on every single call. 43:52.000 --> 43:53.740 Then there's no reason for people to block their number. 43:54.060 --> 43:56.640 First of all, there is a reason why your number shouldn't be shown. 43:56.640 --> 44:02.760 Because if I'm calling you, and someone stole your cell phone, or is in your house, and 44:02.760 --> 44:06.840 they're looking at the Caller ID when the phone starts ringing, I don't want that person 44:06.840 --> 44:08.600 to see my phone number and write it down. 44:09.180 --> 44:10.120 It'll have my name. 44:10.880 --> 44:12.500 Why do they have to know my phone number? 44:12.560 --> 44:13.860 I'm calling you, not them. 44:14.340 --> 44:18.040 So if someone's in your house, or you're out, and your girlfriend steals your cell phone 44:18.040 --> 44:20.500 or something, I don't want her knowing my number when I'm calling you. 44:20.940 --> 44:21.160 Okay. 44:22.160 --> 44:23.620 Now, I will say this with private. 44:23.620 --> 44:27.420 When you have a cell phone, or not, well, I'm not going to say you because you're completely 44:27.420 --> 44:32.180 weird, but when I have a cell phone, and it's during daytime, and it costs money to 44:32.180 --> 44:32.840 accept those calls. 44:32.960 --> 44:34.120 Yeah, send them to voicemail. 44:34.660 --> 44:36.460 And then you can call your voicemail for free. 44:36.640 --> 44:41.000 But when I'm getting a private call, and I have no idea what it is, it could be someone 44:41.000 --> 44:44.440 doing a prank call, I'm not going to answer that call during the day. 44:45.020 --> 44:46.280 Yeah, so turn your phone off. 44:46.360 --> 44:47.020 I already said this. 44:47.020 --> 44:50.480 Because if they're showing me their number, then I'm going to, because I'm going to talk 44:50.480 --> 44:53.100 to certain people, I'm not going to talk to some random Joe that could be a complete 44:53.100 --> 44:55.680 jackass and waste my airtime minutes to talk to this guy. 44:55.840 --> 44:58.600 I want to know who's calling me, and then I'll see if it's important enough for me to 44:58.600 --> 44:59.200 answer their call. 44:59.720 --> 45:05.020 Look, if they really want to get a hold of you, they can text you and say, look, call 45:05.020 --> 45:05.480 me back. 45:05.760 --> 45:07.720 And if it's important, you'll call them back. 45:07.800 --> 45:09.060 No, if it's important, look. 45:09.060 --> 45:12.840 There's no reason to call ID block at all. 45:13.600 --> 45:15.880 There is for calling businesses. 45:16.480 --> 45:21.080 I just told you, I don't want other people that you're around when I call you seeing my 45:21.080 --> 45:21.300 phone. 45:21.340 --> 45:21.880 Right, I understand. 45:22.000 --> 45:24.500 Because if you hand your phone to your friend and they're calling their friends, all those 45:24.500 --> 45:25.100 people are going to get your number. 45:25.200 --> 45:25.840 I'm down for that. 45:25.900 --> 45:27.700 Yeah, you don't want those people to get your number. 45:27.880 --> 45:32.620 But when I get a call at my house, if you're calling me, I want to know who you are. 45:33.200 --> 45:35.480 Yes, you can manipulate that, but it's not big enough yet. 45:35.480 --> 45:37.920 Once it gets that big enough where everyone and their mother... 45:37.920 --> 45:38.340 It is big enough. 45:38.340 --> 45:40.760 Anyone and their mother can go to CovertCall.com. 45:40.760 --> 45:42.220 They can, but they're not... 45:42.220 --> 45:43.520 The PayPal Joanna, $5. 45:45.180 --> 45:48.720 First off, stop advertising these services, because I know you're probably getting money 45:48.720 --> 45:50.220 by mentioning them, Kevin. 45:50.580 --> 45:52.300 But anyways... 45:52.300 --> 45:53.380 I'm not getting anybody. 45:53.620 --> 45:55.400 Unless you go to VerizonFierce.com. 45:55.760 --> 45:56.800 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 45:57.120 --> 45:58.800 But anyways... 45:58.800 --> 46:00.780 Okay, yes, anyone can spoof now. 46:00.860 --> 46:04.600 It has gotten so easy where there are services out there where people can easily spoof. 46:04.600 --> 46:06.880 However, not many people are doing that yet. 46:06.880 --> 46:09.500 Once it becomes big of a problem, it's a huge risk. 46:09.500 --> 46:12.380 They're going to change CallRD, and they're going to upgrade it, just like they do with 46:12.380 --> 46:14.060 voicemail systems and everything else. 46:14.440 --> 46:16.540 CallRD will be fixed, and then people will be using it again. 46:16.740 --> 46:18.040 They're not going to get rid of CallRD. 46:19.040 --> 46:19.760 They never will. 46:19.980 --> 46:20.360 Yeah, they will. 46:20.580 --> 46:21.080 No, they won't. 46:21.140 --> 46:21.560 Yes, they will. 46:21.560 --> 46:22.440 They've invented it now. 46:22.500 --> 46:26.340 People have relied on CallRD so much, which I don't rely on CallRID. 46:27.000 --> 46:29.200 I don't really rely on it like it's the biggest thing. 46:29.220 --> 46:30.460 I could live with a phone without CallRID. 46:30.640 --> 46:32.920 I have old phones everywhere where I don't look at CallRID. 46:33.500 --> 46:38.160 But when it comes to a cell phone or something, where you're reaching me wherever you are, 46:38.300 --> 46:39.860 that kind of thing, that's a real personal phone. 46:39.900 --> 46:40.960 I want to know who's calling me. 46:40.960 --> 46:45.460 And it's not going to die because they're just going to keep upgrading it, 46:45.540 --> 46:47.300 and there are just going to be people making more hacks for it. 46:47.320 --> 46:49.940 It would be a lot easier, yes, if they got rid of CallRD, 46:50.180 --> 46:52.340 but that would create more chaos because then people will be fighting, 46:52.460 --> 46:53.380 oh, I want my CallRD. 46:53.500 --> 46:56.320 I want to know what my mom's calling me instead of my sister because I don't want to talk to her. 46:56.720 --> 46:58.660 That's why we have call blocking and all these other features. 46:58.680 --> 46:59.300 You still don't know who's calling. 46:59.600 --> 47:03.280 Your sister could go over to your mom's house and pick up your mom's phone. 47:03.500 --> 47:07.520 But when these – they're calling from those phones, though. 47:09.400 --> 47:09.760 Yes. 47:09.760 --> 47:11.100 That's completely different. 47:11.240 --> 47:13.260 That's CallRD from where they're calling from. 47:13.380 --> 47:14.620 They're not manipulating it. 47:15.160 --> 47:18.580 Yeah, but you're still basing it on a phone number, not on who's calling. 47:20.460 --> 47:21.020 All right. 47:21.420 --> 47:27.460 The reason why I brought this up on the show is because I want people to email radio at binriv.com 47:27.460 --> 47:29.600 what they think about this. 47:30.040 --> 47:30.940 Do you use CallRD? 47:31.120 --> 47:31.660 Do you not? 47:31.900 --> 47:33.620 What do you think people should do with CallRD? 47:33.980 --> 47:35.920 What are your views on spoofing CallRD? 47:35.920 --> 47:40.080 I want people to bring this up because you and I will never come to an agreement because 47:40.080 --> 47:40.840 you're anti-CallRD. 47:40.940 --> 47:43.800 You're the only one I know that's like, oh, answer your phone no matter who it is. 47:43.980 --> 47:44.440 That's right. 47:44.580 --> 47:45.300 You don't understand. 47:45.320 --> 47:49.740 If you want to screen your calls, invest in a – it's a $10 device known as an answer 47:49.740 --> 47:50.040 machine. 47:50.560 --> 47:50.800 Okay? 47:50.900 --> 47:52.820 When someone calls your house, fucking have your answer. 47:52.820 --> 47:55.360 I thought you just said answer the phone no matter who calls you. 47:55.480 --> 47:58.780 Look, if you want to screen your calls, put an answer machine on your phone. 47:58.880 --> 48:00.060 Why don't I just screen with CallRD? 48:00.580 --> 48:03.040 Because you're not going to know who it is with CallRD. 48:03.220 --> 48:03.580 No, you are. 48:03.820 --> 48:04.520 No, you're not. 48:04.900 --> 48:07.180 No, you'll know what phone number is calling you. 48:07.240 --> 48:08.920 That doesn't tell you who is calling you. 48:09.000 --> 48:10.360 That gives me a pretty good idea, though. 48:10.480 --> 48:10.720 No. 48:10.880 --> 48:11.940 Because I know if a number is going to be – 48:11.940 --> 48:12.280 You know what? 48:12.460 --> 48:14.220 Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups. 48:14.380 --> 48:15.700 Yeah, and it's going to be fixed. 48:16.260 --> 48:18.940 Just like how everything else that's manipulated gets fixed. 48:20.000 --> 48:21.220 Still the mother of all fuck-ups. 48:22.040 --> 48:23.160 Because you know why it's getting fixed? 48:23.200 --> 48:26.340 Because people are using CallRD spoofing for billing reasons, and that's going to be more 48:26.340 --> 48:28.460 of a big deal than, you know, oh, I don't know who's calling me. 48:28.460 --> 48:32.360 And they're going to fix that, and then CallRD is going to have a whole completely new upgrade. 48:32.680 --> 48:34.960 There's going to be CallRD 2.0 or whatever, you know? 48:34.980 --> 48:35.640 No, there's not. 48:35.740 --> 48:36.400 Yes, there is. 48:36.420 --> 48:39.320 You just don't want to admit that people use CallRD for a reason. 48:39.420 --> 48:40.780 It's a big deal to people. 48:41.300 --> 48:46.920 Look, in order for them to fix this for POTS lines and stuff like that, they're going 48:46.920 --> 48:50.360 to have to put a separate data channel in, and they're going to have to give you new 48:50.360 --> 48:53.500 equipment, and no one's going to want to – they're going to be like, I've been using 48:53.500 --> 48:55.160 this CallRD box for 20 years. 48:55.260 --> 48:56.260 I ain't getting a new one. 48:56.260 --> 48:59.040 Well, then they're going to be infected. 48:59.840 --> 49:00.540 It's the same thing. 49:00.580 --> 49:03.960 People that run Windows 95, oh, they're going to have to upgrade because, oh, I don't 49:03.960 --> 49:04.840 know, it's kind of old. 49:05.640 --> 49:07.880 You can get a lot of viruses, you know? 49:07.940 --> 49:09.000 It's the same thing with CallRD. 49:10.220 --> 49:11.300 I'm just telling you, man. 49:11.800 --> 49:12.620 Look at CallRD. 49:12.700 --> 49:14.080 When they came up with CallRD, CallWaiting. 49:14.120 --> 49:16.360 Everyone switched their boxes to have CallWaiting, CallRD. 49:16.400 --> 49:17.160 It's the same thing. 49:17.740 --> 49:18.620 I don't know, dude. 49:18.620 --> 49:24.000 Dude, CallRD, everyone, too many people rely on CallRD because of that reason. 49:24.080 --> 49:25.340 It's a screening purpose thing. 49:25.400 --> 49:26.180 They want to know who's calling you. 49:26.200 --> 49:27.820 They have their phone books and their cell phones. 49:27.920 --> 49:29.280 Oh, hey, Jenny, how are you calling? 49:29.460 --> 49:30.640 You know, what's up, you know? 49:31.460 --> 49:32.240 Yeah, well, they're more. 49:32.800 --> 49:34.420 Well, I respect that. 49:34.440 --> 49:34.980 Yeah, you know what? 49:35.000 --> 49:35.700 You have your own view. 49:35.760 --> 49:37.320 And that's cool because you're not, you know, backing down. 49:37.400 --> 49:40.600 Well, maybe in this situation because you actually have a strong opinion on this. 49:40.640 --> 49:41.620 A lot of people think you're crazy. 49:41.700 --> 49:42.780 I have to let you know that. 49:42.780 --> 49:45.740 But a lot of things are manipulated. 49:45.940 --> 49:49.020 You can manipulate a lot of things in life, but they always end up getting fixed. 49:49.540 --> 49:51.120 CallRD spoofing is not that big of a deal yet. 49:51.240 --> 49:51.840 It won't be fixed. 49:52.060 --> 49:52.500 It will be. 49:52.760 --> 49:53.420 No, it won't. 49:53.780 --> 49:54.380 How do you know that? 49:54.500 --> 49:55.520 It's not going to be fixed. 49:55.640 --> 49:56.260 Why wouldn't it be fixed? 49:56.260 --> 49:57.220 It's not going to be fixed. 49:57.560 --> 49:58.540 A lot of things have been fixed. 49:58.960 --> 49:59.680 It won't be fixed. 50:00.380 --> 50:01.180 So what are they going to do? 50:01.240 --> 50:02.140 Just get rid of CallRD? 50:02.940 --> 50:04.040 No, but it won't be fixed. 50:05.520 --> 50:06.400 They're going to do something. 50:06.620 --> 50:07.580 CallRD is going to get out of hand. 50:07.660 --> 50:10.580 There's a lot of corporate businesses that use CallRD. 50:10.980 --> 50:12.100 Oh, well, they're noobs. 50:12.780 --> 50:17.120 All right, enough about this CallRD spoofing crowd, because you and I, of course, will 50:17.120 --> 50:17.780 never come to agreement. 50:17.880 --> 50:19.280 We've argued about this for years. 50:19.540 --> 50:21.760 And we will continue to argue about it. 50:21.780 --> 50:23.480 We'll continue to argue because of our different views. 50:23.720 --> 50:25.000 I don't think you're wrong. 50:25.060 --> 50:26.660 You want to bitch about cell phone minutes? 50:26.840 --> 50:29.300 You know, control who you give your cell phone number to. 50:29.620 --> 50:32.360 And if someone gives your cell phone number out, then kill them. 50:32.760 --> 50:33.380 Hey, you know what? 50:33.680 --> 50:35.580 I'm a very popular guy. 50:36.880 --> 50:39.540 A lot of people, especially the ladies, have my cell phone number. 50:39.580 --> 50:40.240 Got to get a hold of them. 50:40.240 --> 50:41.940 And they all have anonymous call rejection. 50:41.940 --> 50:44.120 There's no way of calling them without unblocking my CallRD. 50:44.720 --> 50:45.700 Well, spoof to them. 50:47.440 --> 50:48.560 No, because then they don't answer. 50:49.980 --> 50:52.760 I have to spoof their other boyfriend's number to them, and then they answer. 50:53.240 --> 50:54.820 Yeah, and then you go like, hey, baby. 50:55.080 --> 50:56.440 Did I ever tell you that story, dude? 50:57.660 --> 51:00.160 My friend wanted to know if his girl was cheating on him. 51:00.200 --> 51:01.780 He had a suspect of some guy. 51:01.840 --> 51:02.400 He's like, what should I do? 51:02.460 --> 51:04.660 And I was like, you could spoof a number. 51:05.240 --> 51:06.160 And he's like, what? 51:06.240 --> 51:06.580 What do you mean? 51:06.580 --> 51:08.500 And I was like, yeah, you know, I used to spoof with you all the time. 51:08.580 --> 51:10.840 I used to, you know, prank your house all the time as a joke. 51:10.960 --> 51:11.700 You know, he's like, yeah, yeah. 51:11.720 --> 51:12.180 He's like, wait a minute. 51:12.180 --> 51:13.320 You could do that to her, her cell phone? 51:13.380 --> 51:13.760 I was like, yeah. 51:14.120 --> 51:14.900 It doesn't have to be a house phone. 51:15.500 --> 51:17.700 So he gives me her number, and he comes over to my house. 51:17.740 --> 51:21.040 And this is back when we were using VXML, like, a long time ago. 51:22.040 --> 51:26.360 And we call her up, and we spoof this supposedly guy. 51:26.480 --> 51:29.600 And the first thing she does when she answers the phone, hey, baby, how you doing? 51:29.660 --> 51:30.160 I missed you. 51:30.520 --> 51:31.600 I had a good time last night. 51:31.640 --> 51:38.020 The first thing she just said right in the open, and the first thing he said, you effing bitch, was the first thing he said. 51:39.040 --> 51:44.580 But, no, I thought it was the funniest thing because the first thing the girl did, she relied on that call ID of the guy she was having an affair with. 51:44.620 --> 51:45.500 And that's what I don't do. 51:45.540 --> 51:46.720 I don't trust what it says. 51:46.740 --> 51:47.360 I always say hello. 51:47.460 --> 51:48.180 It's the first thing I say. 51:48.180 --> 51:49.940 I don't say, hey, Lucky, what's up, you know? 51:49.940 --> 51:55.480 So, I mean, I'm not trustworthy of call ID, but I do use it, you know? 51:55.520 --> 51:56.960 I'm not going to trust it. 51:56.980 --> 51:59.460 But, anyways, do you have anything to comment on that? 52:00.400 --> 52:01.700 Because I'm going to wrap it up here. 52:01.740 --> 52:02.380 We've got to get to the show. 52:02.400 --> 52:05.140 So you trusted enough to answer your phone, but you don't really care. 52:05.140 --> 52:08.480 Well, I kind of, it's like a 50-50. 52:08.560 --> 52:10.860 Like, maybe it's possibly that person, but I'm not really sure. 52:10.900 --> 52:11.660 But I'm taking the chance. 52:11.740 --> 52:15.140 Well, you know, roulette's a 50-50 chance, too, but you probably lose at it. 52:16.420 --> 52:17.940 It's the same thing with the lottery, man. 52:17.940 --> 52:19.940 Nothing's, everything's a chance in life, you know? 52:20.300 --> 52:25.600 But what I'm saying, you talked earlier about how things with car alarms and the default 52:25.600 --> 52:28.160 of the remotes, the combinations, how I've unlocked all those cars. 52:28.940 --> 52:30.120 Don't you think that's going to be fixed? 52:31.180 --> 52:31.500 No. 52:31.820 --> 52:32.620 You don't think that's going to be fixed? 52:32.640 --> 52:35.140 Do you think everything is always on default? 52:35.760 --> 52:36.240 That's what it all comes to? 52:36.240 --> 52:38.000 Everything is on default. 52:38.140 --> 52:39.140 Everything is always on default. 52:39.240 --> 52:39.500 That's true. 52:39.560 --> 52:40.460 That's why that shows the meaning. 52:40.560 --> 52:40.980 Well, you know what? 52:41.000 --> 52:41.240 You're right. 52:41.240 --> 52:46.180 All right, let's see if Caller ID ever gets fixed, you owe me $20. 52:46.900 --> 52:48.800 If it never does, well, we'll never find out. 52:48.960 --> 52:51.160 I don't have to owe your shit, so either way, I'm good. 52:51.360 --> 52:51.860 What is that? 52:53.020 --> 52:54.380 So, anyways, shout. 52:54.480 --> 52:56.560 We've got to put a time expiration on that bet. 52:57.560 --> 53:02.200 All right, I'm saying within the next five years. 53:02.200 --> 53:05.300 I've got $20 coming to me. 53:05.500 --> 53:06.040 Five years. 53:06.140 --> 53:09.220 Within the next five years, there's going to be some kind of Caller ID upgrade. 53:09.320 --> 53:12.020 Now, I'm not saying that that upgrade, it's not going to be vulnerable, because I'm sure 53:12.020 --> 53:15.500 someone's going to hack it, but there will be at least an attempt to have a new Caller 53:15.500 --> 53:16.020 ID service. 53:16.340 --> 53:16.560 All right? 53:16.780 --> 53:17.060 No. 53:17.220 --> 53:17.700 Five years. 53:17.800 --> 53:19.000 But, anyways, we've got to wrap the show up. 53:19.020 --> 53:19.680 We've got to give shouts. 53:20.540 --> 53:24.720 My shouts go to Sub-Zero, of course, because I really wish we could have hung out with him 53:24.720 --> 53:25.940 yesterday, but someone had to work. 53:26.660 --> 53:27.500 Yeah, that was me. 53:27.600 --> 53:28.120 That was you. 53:28.540 --> 53:30.520 Yeah, I wish I could have hung out with him, too. 53:30.520 --> 53:33.020 Yeah, dude, he had to wait at LAX for, like, five hours. 53:33.260 --> 53:33.900 Yeah, and that sucks. 53:34.000 --> 53:35.520 That's time he could have been spending with us. 53:35.600 --> 53:35.720 Yeah. 53:35.800 --> 53:36.580 Doing Doug TV. 53:36.900 --> 53:38.120 Yeah, we could have been filming and shit. 53:38.300 --> 53:39.080 I mean, oh, God. 53:39.080 --> 53:40.240 We could have done a lot of crap, but anyway. 53:41.260 --> 53:44.320 We could have been filming and crap, but, yeah, that sucks. 53:44.400 --> 53:48.120 Like, he had to wait at the airport that long, you know, and probably didn't get to do much. 53:48.160 --> 53:52.600 I think I called him up, and he was at, like, Chili's inside the airport, and they 53:52.600 --> 53:53.060 were just... 53:53.060 --> 53:53.320 So wrong. 53:53.440 --> 53:54.100 They were just chilling. 53:54.180 --> 53:55.940 I was like, you're at LAX that long? 53:56.040 --> 53:57.460 Like, God, that's insane. 53:57.460 --> 54:02.500 But, yeah, hopefully we'll see him at some con or something, so, yeah, because he seems 54:02.500 --> 54:03.360 like a really cool dude. 54:04.120 --> 54:04.680 Yeah, definitely. 54:05.400 --> 54:06.660 Shouts to DJ Mullisk. 54:07.240 --> 54:07.560 Right. 54:08.080 --> 54:08.760 And Holly. 54:09.380 --> 54:09.940 Right, Holly. 54:10.900 --> 54:13.860 And shouts to Athenix, a friend of ours. 54:13.860 --> 54:14.760 Yeah, hook it up for your website. 54:15.160 --> 54:19.420 He worked on the PHP News Code, and it came out really nice. 54:19.500 --> 54:20.520 So, yeah, big shouts to him. 54:20.560 --> 54:21.220 He's been a big help. 54:21.600 --> 54:24.680 And also, again, to Sub-Zero, because he designed the Doug Show logo. 54:24.680 --> 54:27.300 So, with the microphone and everything, the loop and all. 54:27.760 --> 54:29.680 So, yeah, he's a good talent there. 54:29.780 --> 54:30.320 You got any shouts? 54:30.700 --> 54:34.920 Yeah, shouts to Natus, shouts to Droops, shouts to Iceknife. 54:35.020 --> 54:38.000 Those were all people that were staying in my room with me at Shmookon. 54:38.340 --> 54:38.580 Right. 54:38.700 --> 54:40.200 Anyone else in the DDP was at Shmookon? 54:41.860 --> 54:44.900 No, I think that was the only DDP-related people that were... 54:44.900 --> 54:46.640 Not there, he didn't show, or... 54:46.640 --> 54:47.960 No, not there, he didn't show. 54:48.080 --> 54:49.040 And StangDog didn't go, right? 54:49.080 --> 54:49.540 Yeah, he didn't go. 54:49.540 --> 54:50.160 No, he didn't go. 54:50.860 --> 54:51.060 Huh. 54:51.060 --> 54:54.460 But I did have a fun time hanging out with them. 54:54.840 --> 54:55.840 Shouts to Lance James. 54:56.020 --> 54:57.700 It was definitely cool meeting him. 54:58.780 --> 55:02.140 We were speaking together, but that was the first time I'd actually met him in person. 55:02.480 --> 55:06.040 It's kind of odd, since he lives in California, and we met him in person in D.C. 55:06.540 --> 55:10.120 But, yeah, he was a very cool person. 55:10.920 --> 55:14.780 He was sitting there playing the piano, and then, like, the maids were watching him, and he didn't know. 55:14.920 --> 55:15.480 It was pretty funny. 55:16.180 --> 55:16.780 That's funny. 55:16.780 --> 55:19.980 Yeah, so shouts to him. 55:20.960 --> 55:22.440 Shouts to everyone at Shmookon. 55:22.560 --> 55:23.980 It was everyone who went. 55:24.040 --> 55:24.840 It was a great con. 55:25.100 --> 55:26.820 It was definitely... 55:26.820 --> 55:28.280 It seems like real fun. 55:28.960 --> 55:29.780 I'd go next year. 55:29.820 --> 55:31.200 If there was one next year, I'll definitely go. 55:31.480 --> 55:31.740 Yeah. 55:32.060 --> 55:32.700 It's worth it. 55:33.040 --> 55:33.400 Definitely. 55:33.560 --> 55:34.000 Worth the money. 55:35.020 --> 55:35.420 Is that it? 55:36.140 --> 55:37.200 Those are all my shouts. 55:37.300 --> 55:37.700 What about you? 55:38.920 --> 55:40.500 I gave out my shouts, Lucky. 55:40.980 --> 55:41.920 You see, here's the thing. 55:41.920 --> 55:51.280 Me and Lucky clown around too much, and I think it was a bad idea for me to choose Lucky as my co-host, right here in the same room with me, when he's over there dancing to music and eating Cheez-Its. 55:51.280 --> 55:52.720 Dancing to music, dude? 55:52.740 --> 55:53.640 What are you talking about? 55:53.640 --> 55:54.900 Eating Cheez-Its and everything. 55:55.000 --> 55:59.800 Because me and Lucky, what makes this hard is that we're trying to act serious, but we're just failing at it. 55:59.800 --> 56:03.540 But anyways, hopefully me and Lucky did a good job. 56:03.600 --> 56:12.520 We didn't bore anyone, because seriously, thanks, StankDog, because it's really a big deal, and even an honor for him to trust me to do this show. 56:12.780 --> 56:15.260 That's a big deal, because StankDog's never had... 56:15.260 --> 56:17.920 Especially when it's you and Mr. 225. 56:18.220 --> 56:19.540 Especially when it's, yeah, us. 56:19.640 --> 56:21.980 Not just me, not just you, but us combined together. 56:21.980 --> 56:29.260 Yeah, this is, yeah, it's hard to do, but yeah, thanks a lot, StankDog, for letting me fill in, and even letting me choose Lucky. 56:30.060 --> 56:32.480 Oh, and shouts to you, Doug. 56:32.900 --> 56:38.860 Yeah, thanks for giving me a nice wild cherry Pepsi while I was sitting here in the studio doing the show. 56:38.920 --> 56:39.340 Not a problem. 56:39.360 --> 56:40.460 We got some cheese with you. 56:40.580 --> 56:42.660 You're going to be here every Thursday for our show, right? 56:42.860 --> 56:43.420 Yeah, definitely. 56:43.620 --> 56:44.780 Thursday afternoons, all right? 56:44.780 --> 56:45.600 That's going to be when our show... 56:45.600 --> 56:47.640 This is a very cool, chill, new studio. 56:47.640 --> 56:49.280 It is, you know, we got the drum set. 56:49.280 --> 56:52.080 But hopefully we'll have, like, an actual, like, Doug show band and everything. 56:52.800 --> 56:53.480 We'll have... 56:53.480 --> 56:57.840 I think it'll be a fun show to do, because it'll be a lot more relaxed, because this show's a real professional. 56:57.900 --> 56:58.820 This is a good show, man. 56:58.820 --> 56:59.660 This is, like, hard to do. 57:01.080 --> 57:03.700 I can't believe StankDog does every week with the show notes and everything. 57:03.920 --> 57:05.400 So, yeah, he's a busy man. 57:05.440 --> 57:07.580 I don't know how he can handle this, but... 57:07.580 --> 57:11.120 But hopefully I'll be here again next week, continuing to fill in for him. 57:12.260 --> 57:12.580 Hopefully. 57:12.740 --> 57:13.460 Hopefully not. 57:13.880 --> 57:14.640 Hopefully not. 57:14.640 --> 57:16.500 But maybe I will, 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