This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you
and a fag pwned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in
my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, on the
out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero,
in a flash I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through my hard drive
rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught the love bug,
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's all gonna be free,
whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling your bones, when I tell
we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves
to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, this is dedicated to the
hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIPs, this is dedicated
to the hackers and the crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, coming at you
on February 15th, 2005, I'm your host Doug, and that's because if any of you tuned in
last week you'll notice that I was a co-host with StankDog and at the end of the show he
asked me to fill in for him for this week and probably next week too, so luckily I'm not
here all alone though, I have of course my co-host, Lucky 225, that's right, and we're
actually doing this show in a studio instead of on speakerphone, yeah, pretty nice studio
here, yeah, it's a, well, it's a garage studio, but instead of, you know, having you on the
speakerphone, since you live like right down the street from me, this makes more sense,
so it'll sound a little bit different, so hopefully this show is informative and not
a complete disaster, so.
Yeah, I'm kind of sick today by the way, so.
That's alright, just don't cough on the mic.
You hear me coughing and.
Just don't cough on the mic and everything will be fine, but we're going to jump right
into email.
Alright, our first email here is from the obtruse one.
Uh, he writes,
I just thought I'd email you about the guy who lost his job over Hack TV.
I don't mean to be a dick or anything, but it's his own down fault for watching TV at
work when he shouldn't.
He probably would have gotten fired over something else if it weren't for Hack TV he was caught
with.
Uh, glad he found another job though, just hope he's more responsible next time.
Don't blame yourself, Stink, if it weren't for your show and all the others out there,
I would have been bored off my ass at work.
It's hard to find the 35 plus hours of good listening material each week.
The show's great, I can't wait to hear more.
Oh, and another tip about radio shows for those who have two lines, you could always
do what Default Radio did if you want multiple guests.
Call into a conference, plenty of people which have open PBXs by way of asterisks including
Bell's Mind and Telefreak, but call into a conference along with your guests, then you'll
have a separate line to record at all.
That way your voice doesn't sound too different from your co-host, which can be annoying sometimes
when you have three or more guests and trying to fix all the levels, just a thought, the
obtruse one.
I totally agree with how, um, what he says about it's his own guy's fault.
I mean, StankDog shouldn't be held responsible for getting other people fired, you know?
If they're watching out their own work, you know, that's their problem, not Stank's.
I mean, um, it's the same situation for kids at school that get into trouble for listening
to music or something.
It's not the artist or the band's fault that the kids are failing, you know?
It's the student's fault for listening to the music, you know?
It has nothing to do with...
Yeah, there's a time and a place.
I mean, if this guy doesn't have a computer, he can go to the library and watch this shit.
Yeah, exactly, so...
Now, about recording shows, the same system I had with Default Radio and also the Mind War,
I would have two phone lines.
One at the time was Vonage, a VoIP phone, and the other was a landline.
Both the host, Decoder and Lucky, would call into a free conference line, and I would use
both of my lines connected to the same conference.
Connected to my landline was a voice modem on my computer, which had a speakerphone output,
and that speakerphone output would then be connected to the line-in jack of my sound card.
I would then dial into the conference line, and I would pick up the modem.
The easiest way to do this would be with Windows, if you opened up Hyperterminal and you typed
ATH1, which would pick up the modem.
Then simply, you would get your favorite application for recording.
I use CoolEdit because I've grown up with CoolEdit for many years now, but the free one,
of course, you could use.
We've said this a thousand times on the show, Audacity, which is freeware.
Also, you can use it with Linux, Windows.
It's a great open-source recorder.
But any kind of your favorite recording tool, you can then just record what's coming in
on the phone lines.
It's the best way to record.
Just make sure you have a separate phone line if you're doing a radio show because otherwise
you're going to sound louder.
It's going to sound just way too louder than everyone else on the phone line.
You want everyone, especially if you have more than two people, you want everyone to have
the same amount of level.
Otherwise, it's just going to sound horrible.
And I know a lot of people have tried to do this with recording phone calls, and they've
never succeeded.
But if you do this way, just like we did with Default Radio and other shows like The Mind
War, this is the way to go if you want to do all phone lines.
Another way, too, if you have an asterisk box, I personally don't know how to do this, but
I've heard people talk about this.
I've heard Knot Theory, Strom Carlson talk about this.
They have applications that you can use where it records everyone into a conference, and it
has their own separate channels and everything, and it just records them in MP3s.
But do you know anything about this at all?
No, I don't know anything about asterisk.
Yeah, I don't know anything.
I'm a noob.
I don't know anything about asterisk either, but I know there's some way to record easier
with asterisk, but if you don't have asterisk, this is the way to do it.
Just get a voice modem, hook it up with your computer, call into a conference line, or
call your friend, three-way each other, it doesn't matter.
But if you want to record, do a radio show through the phone lines.
That's the way to go.
This next email is from Slicko, or Slick0, I'm not really sure.
Hey guys, since you were talking about recording setup for radio shows, I figured I'd tell
you about bass net setup, so here's the note.
I'm sorry, I had to cough, go on.
It's all right, you're sick, it's all right.
I figured I'd tell you about bass net setup.
Well, here's another email about recording radio shows, I guess.
To start, the room's walls are completely covered with acoustic baffling.
B-A-F-F-L-I-N-G.
I don't know what the hell that means.
We have a mic for each person on the show.
We've been using one MXL990 large diaphragm mic, two cheap Natty CM88s, I think, and one
SM58.
Anyways, he writes, these are patched to a simple 8-channel mixer with four preamps, sent
to a compressor slash gate channel, and back to return to the mixer on my laptop.
I wrote a simple Perl script, wow, a simple Perl script that uses A-Play to play a predetermined
clip, depending on the key I press on the keyboard, which I have patched to the mixer as well.
I use a different laptop for the stream, also patched to the mixer.
By the way, the voiceover music standard is 10 dB under the voice, though I usually keep
the background stream lower, but loud enough to mask my breathing, any breathing sounds,
keyboard clicks, etc.
The stereo mix I create with an 8-channel mixer, then 2M Audio Delta, oh no, 8-channel mixer,
and then goes to my main console.
A Mackie 1604 VLZ-Pro, which directly feeds to my 2M Audio Delta 1010s, which finally records
using Rezound, I think Rezound, R-E-Z-O-U-N-D.
Yes, my studio computer runs Linux.
Of course, 1604 and 1010s are only being used for two channels for this.
In recording, I set the master level to about negative 6 dB to avoid clipping.
Then after recording, I apply a peak limiter, which the input levels boosted at 6 dB to normalize
the volume.
I have all this gear and much more not listed from well before recording the show with it.
Since I have all this equipment, found other people that wanted to do a show, and because
I found I'm a sound Nazi, I'm a sound Nazi, I decided to use it.
This is an extremely elaborate way of doing it, but since I can make it sound like a professional
radio production, I'll of course do it.
Anyhow, thanks for the shouts, and keep up all the good work.
Uh, Slicko.
I say Slicko, I pronounce Slicko because it's quicker for me to say, as well as because a few
people know me by that, but when I came up with the handle, I meant to, it was meant not
to be phonetically.
Phonetically.
Basically, there is no wrong way to say it.
P.S.
OmniScan.
Uh, to clear up some confusion, it's what inside gag between me, Kilrathi, and a few others.
Well, first off, I have to say, that's a really complex studio.
Um, a really cool setup.
A lot more than what we have here.
Basically, what we have here is equalizers.
I thought the Doug Studio was going to be like the bomb and everything, and this guy
emails us.
This guy's got Perl Scripts.
Why are we even trying?
This guy's got Perl Scripts, this guy's got Linux, he's got the whole works.
I got a few mixers, an app, speakers, mics, like cheap $10, $20 mics.
Yeah, this guy's got the whole work, so that's really cool.
He has a nice setup, and it's great to know for internet radio, you know, he's got this
complex radio station setup, you know, for an internet radio show.
I think it's awesome.
Before we go to the next email, have you heard about this Boss Hog show?
No, what is it about?
Uh, I actually have no clue.
I heard about him on Covert Call, because Covert Call's having this prank call contest.
And, uh, hey, I'm just letting you go, okay?
Anyways, um, one of the submissions was from this Boss Hog show, which is an internet streaming
radio show that's been around since, like, 2003 or so.
Alright.
Um, anyways, it's some radio group out in Austin or something.
And, um, the prank call submission that they had made, uh, they actually had done it from
their own dial tone.
They weren't spoofing caller ID or anything.
And they had all the touch tones in it, and they had placed a call to Nikki Hilton's, uh,
boyfriend's phone number.
I don't remember his name.
It's in, go, go on Covert Call.
I don't know.
I'm gonna keep up with People Magazine to see who Nikki Hilton's boyfriend is.
Oh, you don't watch Access Hollywood, man?
Come on.
But anyways, uh, since those touch tones were, like, just right there in the WAV file, I
decided to decode it.
I don't think Stained Dog would approve of that.
We gotta keep the show professional.
We're not gonna give up docs on this show.
Anyways, let's just go to the next email.
Uh, this is from, oh, he has his first name.
I don't, I don't think on this show you're supposed to drop that, so I'm not gonna say
anything, uh, just to be good.
Uh, hey, I started listening to your radio show recently.
I had a question of where I can get the intro that starts off.
This goes out to all the hackers and the crackers.
Please reply to this email.
Thanks.
From what I'm told, this is the number one question that BinRev gets.
Uh, it's actually on the front page of radio.binrev.com.
It says so right in the red.
And it says, what does it say?
It says, before you email and ask me again about the opening theme.
It's Zerl.
So simply go to Zerl's website and you'll find the full song under, it's on his website.
It's under music.
Actually, it's right here.
Under music, singles, and then I think the single is The Class War.
And it's right there on the left.
It says Hackers and Crackers.
That's the actual full theme song that, uh, BinRev uses.
So, download it right there and hopefully we won't get another email here that asks that
same question.
Uh, next email.
This is from WickedCon2 or WickedCan2.
Uh, hi, I've been listening since episode 80.
I live in Wales, which is in the UK.
I love the idea of BinRev meetings and might start one.
Do you know where I can get more information about freezing hard drives, seeing as I would
like to put this theory to test?
Love the show and we'll be downloading further shows on the podcast.
Keep up the good work.
Well, since I'm filling in for StankDog, I know nothing about this whatsoever.
Uh, I only started hearing about this last week, so, um...
What are they talking about?
Freezing hard drives?
Yeah, freezing hard drives.
So, uh, I asked BlackRatchet about this because I don't know if he, um, knew anything about
this at all.
So, he told me allegedly that the freezing sometimes, uh, solidifies the, the grease and makes
the arm stick.
And I've also been told that the plate shrinks, so...
I don't know anything really about freezing hard drives, so maybe...
Why would anyone want to?
I have no idea.
Keep data longer?
I don't know.
I don't know what it's for.
I, I have...
That's part of technology that I have no idea about.
All right, well, uh, go and freeze your hard drives.
Good advice.
Good.
Melt the platters, too.
That'll be fun.
Well, uh, BlackRatchet, he heard about this from mailing lists, and actually, he, oh,
he has tried this numerous times, but he's only had it to work once.
So, uh, a lot of people do say it's just an old wives' tale, so, who knows?
Uh, as far as any websites, the only thing I can help you is just recommend going to Google,
you know, search around, or even bring this up on the forums at forums.binrev.com, maybe
start a whole discussion.
I mean, that's the only thing I can recommend to you, so sorry I can't help you out that much.
Dude, one gig thumb drives are a hundred bucks from SanDisk.
There you go, that's a good idea, just get a thumb drive.
Yeah.
Um, next email is from System Shocker.
Stank, you suck.
You were a big dick.
I don't mind MV Bind the f...
Uh, I don't, I think he means I don't mind the fact that you don't mail back to us, but
I had to fake suicide for you to get to read my email on the air.
Fuck you, you are a big dick.
No more Stank Dog.
It's time for Stank Dick.
P.S. Metallica fucking rule.
Suck my big fat lard of mustard, you fat lard of anti-Metallica fuck.
Um, I don't think we can use the word Metallica on this show.
That's a copyrighted, uh, band material right there.
I think you're allowed to say it.
I don't know, I really have no comment on this.
I didn't even know Stank hated Metallica, but whatever, next email.
Lucky, do you like Metallica?
Uh, yeah, sure.
All right.
Whatever.
Uh, this next email is from OOB, or Oob.
Uh, hey, your stinkiness plus various hosts.
I'm glad to hear you back in action.
I thought I would compile a short list of places that I've listened to BinRev on my iPod on
a recent holiday I went on.
Uh, as a prefaces list, uh, as you know, I live in South Africa.
It's important.
Um, so, uh, number one, I listened to BinRev 60 something in a Amazini Toy, I don't know,
I can't...
Amazini who?
Amazini Toy, I don't know, some kind of police station out there.
Uh, reasons for being withheld, uh, I'm not gonna say the word again because I can't
pronounce it.
Uh, is if you're interested in a small fishing town on the south coast of South Africa.
I'm not.
Thanks.
Well, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm not part of Africa, so.
Uh, after that, I listened to another episode in the highest pub in Southern Africa.
Well, it claims so.
The pub is the question, is situated in a very dodgy backpacker stop off on top of the
Sani Pass, Sani Pass, which is inaccessible except for the hardest off-roads vehicles in
the, uh, Lisa though.
I'm, like, correcting the grammar as I'm reading along here, so it's hard.
Um, number three, I then proceeded to listen to another episode in a cave housing ten, oh
no, let me see, ten thousand years old Bushmen.
Ten paintings, which were nestled in between South Africa's longest mountain range in,
uh, Drakensburg.
Number four, finally to the end of the nice, rounded, odd collection of places to listen
to Binrev, I listened to Lake Victoria in Zimbabwe.
Uh, Zimbabwe, there you go, Zimbabwe.
Don't know if you know about that country's problems, but major human abuses, alright?
Not far from the place, uh, where David Livingston, ah, Livingston was greeted by a
fellow adventurer, uh, Livingston, I presume, yeah.
Anyways.
Anyway, I just thought I'd let you know that Binrev has traveled me all throughout Southern
Africa very well.
Well, it's nice to know that people travel with all their internet radio content everywhere,
South Africa, you know, everywhere.
Yeah.
Uh, that's the one thing about this podcast stuff that I really, I think is the coolest
thing ever.
You can find all this internet media radio content, you know, and download it on your iPod, take
it to you with your beach, you know, and your car, South Africa, whatever, you know, it's
all, it's all good to go.
So, you can spread it in so many different ways now with this, um, that's cool about the
podcast.
And, and we have one more email, uh, Doug and Lucky225, I just wanted to let you know.
This is to us?
Yeah.
This is actually to us.
I don't know how they knew you were going to be on right away, but, uh, I just wanted
to let you know that I've listened to BinRev Radio every week.
I have every episode, say to my hard drive, my iPod on my laptop, and burn the CD.
The show sucks.
I hate you and everything in it that you guys do.
I can't wait until next week's show so I can tell you how much you suck again.
Uh, your, your biggest fan, StinkDog.
Oh.
I don't know, I don't know who that guy is, but, uh.
Yeah, screw that StinkDog, dude.
But, uh, enough of this email.
Does, does he have any email closing music?
No, he doesn't.
That's it.
Alright, that's all the email we got.
Let's get into the show.
First off, you see the screensavers last night?
Yeah, sure did.
It was pretty cool seeing, uh, Sub-Zero and, uh, what was her name?
I don't remember her name.
I can't think of it right now.
Noob.
What?
Do you remember it?
If not, did you?
Yeah, I do, but I don't.
Yeah, I do, it's Holly.
Holly.
Oh, yeah, it was Holly, okay, yeah.
Because, uh, DJ Mullis couldn't make it, which, that sucks, dude.
You know, it sucks to pass up something like that and not be able to fly out to L.A. and
everything, you know?
But, uh, yeah, we saw it last night, or, yeah, last evening, and it was pretty cool to
see them on there.
I thought they were going to be on there a lot longer, like, actually taking calls, but they
took, they were like, we'll take your calls, and they only had, like, one call.
Yeah, about a long-distance relationship.
About a long-distance relationship.
And it was at the end of the show.
Unless Sub-Zero took, like, calls behind the camera or something, and that's kind of cool,
but, you know, I was thinking they were going to be on most of the show, you know, between
segments and answering more calls, but it wasn't...
Yeah, I thought this was supposed to be some Valentine's Day special.
Instead, you got Kevin Rose showing you dark deals.
I don't know.
Yeah, man, and shoving his face with, like, a jelly...
Yeah, they would...
But anyways, yeah, I thought they were going to be on a lot longer, you know, but it was
still cool to see, though.
I'm sure Sub-Zero had a kick-ass time, you know, but...
I kind of got, like, during the middle of the show when they weren't on, I was just
bored out of my mind.
Yeah, I don't know, dude.
What is this?
Watch Kevin Rose make out with Sarah Lane?
I mean...
What do you mean?
Dude, the show sucks now.
Well, yeah, I used to grow up, man, like, that network I used to watch since, like, 98,
man, and every time I'd always turn on the screensavers, you know, and just, like, enjoy
watching, what was it, Leo Laporte, the other guy, Patrick Norton, Patrick Norton.
Yeah.
And it was fun.
Back then when Kevin Rose was just the guy, like, behind, you know, he was nobody, you know,
he never, like, made himself known, and now he's still a nobody, but he's trying to be
something, you know, and I just, I can't believe it.
Now they changed their name back to just G4 now, so Tech TV's totally gone, just, I think
the whole network's gone to shit, so.
But enough about the screensavers, we don't need to give them that much.
Yeah, enough about Kevin Rose already and his girlfriend.
Other than that, I saw the screensavers last night, I also got a, I had to get a cleaning
tape for my DV camera, because I was going to finally start working and uploading the
DEF CON footage that we took from July, and right when I put the tape in, all my tapes,
they, when I was playing them with my camera, they came out horribly, like, there was, it
was jittery everywhere, there was pixelating everywhere, so, I got a cleaner, I thought
maybe the heads were dirty, I didn't use the camera in a while, I bought a cleaner, 20
bucks for one tape cleaner, and it didn't do the job, so now I have to take it back to
Best Buy, which, I got this camera, I think, in May.
Oh God, here we go again.
With another Best Buy store.
Me and Stang Dung both can't stand Best Buy, and I regret buying this camera at Best Buy.
I had nothing but problems with it.
But.
I could tell you about Best Buy, but then again, getting free car stereos out of them
was pretty cool.
Alright.
We won't talk about that.
Alright, but anyways, yeah, but, other than that, never had problems, nothing but problems
with the folks at Best Buy, so, other than that, with the cameras and stuff, I've been
working on the Doug Show website, new website's up.
Now we just need the actual show, Doug?
Well, I'm taking a trip to Norfolk, Virginia, but I'll be back sometime around March, and
that's probably where we're going to start the actual first official live broadcast.
Hopefully that'll go well.
And, anything new going on with you, Lucky?
No, not really.
Nothing really?
You've been working?
You got a job?
Yeah, I got a job.
You've been kind of finally busy.
Like I said last week, you've been the only DDP member that I know that doesn't really
do much, but.
Hey, I'm working part-time at a pizza place, and we won't say which one.
So you're delivering pizzas?
Yeah.
All right.
Anyways, let's get into the actual show topic.
We were going to talk about this last week, but.
We were?
Well, we were, but you were busy, and we couldn't get a hold of you, so Sting wanted to do a
show with me, and that's when he had me fill in for him, and hopefully I'm doing a good
job, I have no idea.
Probably not.
Probably not, yeah.
But you were at ShmooCon, not last weekend, but the weekend before.
That's right.
That was in Washington, D.C., right?
Yes, that's the District of Columbia.
A lot of people don't know that's not a state.
Well, thank you.
Just letting our audience understand that that's a district.
All right.
So, how was it?
It was pretty good.
A lot of speeches?
Was it more of a party con?
Was it more of, you know, did they have a lot of conferences?
What did they do?
It was more of just a regular con.
I mean, they had a lot of good speeches.
There definitely was a lot of drinking going on, but that was a little more behind the
scenes.
It wasn't actually...
Advertised.
Yeah.
Well, it wasn't like people that were going...
Like, the con was downstairs in the hotel, first of all.
Okay.
And there was three rooms, three speaking tracks, and, you know, no one was sitting there drinking
during the speeches, because they were all really good speeches.
They were all really good security, computer security-related speeches.
Yeah.
Um, you know, there was a lot of good information that was given out.
I gave a speech there with Lance James, and I think that went over pretty well.
Um, a lot of people showed up to that.
Got a...
I saw a lot of good reviews online.
Um, other than that, I mean, I just...
I went to a couple speeches.
It was pretty good.
Um, I went to Fur Nightclub on a...
Their speaker party.
Yeah.
That was all right, but...
Did you...
Kind of a more upscale club.
They were kind of Nazis about the dress code and stuff.
Even though I'm a speaker, they're like, I'm going to tell you right now, I don't like
your shoes.
What?
Yeah, I don't like your face, but, you know, I'm just here for the open...
I'm just here for the open bar, you know?
Yeah.
Which closed early.
Oh, great.
Oh, we had a $3,000 limit.
Okay, well, what the hell?
Yeah, you know, I didn't go to ShmooCon.
I don't know...
Maybe if I had the money, I probably would have gone, because I've been to Washington, D.C.
quite a few times, and, you know, I've always had a good time at Washington, D.C.
by itself, but the ShmooCon I heard that everyone had a
good time, you know, and, you know, I probably...
Well, I've never been to Washington, D.C., so, I mean, it was quite a good experience
for myself.
I mean, I got to go see all the monuments, and, you know, I got to see the White House
and stuff for the first time.
That was pretty cool, and, I mean, the conference in general was just very cool.
It was definitely worth the $200 for late registration if you had to pay that.
Really?
$200?
Yeah, well, that was for late registration.
Wow.
I think it was $99 for regular.
That's more than DEFCON.
But, of course, I got in for free, so...
What the hell do I care?
But it really wasn't free.
Well, you got in for free...
Was it for speaking?
No, I got in free for speaking.
They even paid me $100, but somehow...
What?
For speaking?
Yes!
Wow.
They gave me an honorarium, but...
DEFCON never paid you for speaking.
Actually, yes, they did.
Oh, they did.
At the last one, they started paying their speakers.
Oh, okay.
But besides that, it really wasn't free, per se, because I got a $450 credit card bill
right now that I still need to pay off, and I got a cell phone bill that's sitting at
home that still isn't paid, so...
That's not good.
And, of course, I got this part-time job, so...
Yeah, that's not good.
So I was trying to find a way to pay my bills.
Yeah, that's not good.
Yeah, I've only been to DEFCON.
Out of all these cons, I've only been to DEFCON.
My first time was last year, of course, July.
And I had a terrific time, and I'm looking forward for the next DEFCON.
The problem is, I've never...
Like, Hope, I was thinking about going to Hope, but then again, my mom wouldn't let
me, because it was in New York.
She's like, maybe next year, you know?
But the thing with all the cons, like, with DEFCON, you have Las Vegas.
So if you get tired of the con, you got Vegas.
With Hope, you have New York, which is also a great city.
And even with ShmooCon, you got Washington, D.C.
There's a lot of places to check out.
But with Freaknik, it really just didn't interest me all that much, because it's in
Tennessee, and I really don't see anything interesting in Tennessee.
No offense to anyone that lives out there, but you got the cities with all these other
cons.
With Tennessee, it's Tennessee.
I mean, how was Freaknik?
I mean, you guys have talked about Freaknik before, but...
Yeah, I'm not going to comment on Freaknik anymore.
Was it really that bad?
Like I said, I'm not going to comment on Freaknik anymore.
I've made my comments in previous shows.
All right, well, yeah, I don't want to bring up past shows again, but out of all the cons,
DEFCON, and even when you went to H2K two years ago, and...
H2K2.
Yeah, not H2K.
H2K2 and Freaknik and everything, was ShmooCon the best?
Yeah, I'd have to say ShmooCon was pretty much the best.
DEFCON is obviously, it's a pretty big con.
It gets a lot of attraction.
But most of it is just drunken idiots.
I'm sorry to say it, but that's pretty much what it is.
Which is fun and all, but, you know...
Yeah, I mean, it's a fun con to attend.
They do have some good talks there also.
But most people are way too drunk and forget to go see the good talks, so...
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah, and I mean, DEFCON is more for the capture the flag type people.
I mean, that's pretty much what it's for there.
But did you learn anything really new?
Any kind of exciting speeches or anything at ShmooCon?
Um, yeah, I did, um...
What was your speech about?
Oh, well, our speech was about voice over IP and...
Figures, but...
Yeah, of course, right?
What else?
Either call R.D. or voice...
Yeah, I had to do...
Was it the same speech at DEFCON?
It was...
Actually, yeah.
It was more...
Lance James talked a lot about SIP, and it was very informative about that.
Um, I know Nat has said he learned a few things about SIP that he didn't know before that.
And, um...
Of course, I gave pretty much the same speech that I gave at DEFCON before.
Uh, basically because every time I give a speech, I usually do it with another speaker.
And what usually happens is I speak second, and my time always gets cut short.
And I don't feel that I got to really get the information out there that I wanted to
at DEFCON, and I felt like this was like a second chance, like...
And I gave more of the information that was supposed to be given out at DEFCON, and an
explanation of why it works and how it works, and why people should be concerned about it.
Yeah, I noticed that at DEFCON, too, there was a lot that you guys couldn't cover, you
and Strom.
There was a lot more that you needed to talk to.
You never got to demonstrate the Callerity spoofing, you know?
You just talked about, like, the very basics about how phones work, and then right when
you started getting into the good stuff, that time's up, you know?
And I thought that kind of was bad.
Yeah.
All right, well, I actually want to talk to you about Callerity spoofing, but before we
get into that, uh, debate, um, is there anything else at ShmooCon, besides it being
number one and all great and everything?
Yeah, I wanted to talk about, uh, one of the speeches that I thought was pretty cool.
Uh, well, first of all, I saw Jason Scott there.
Oh, really?
I got to mention that to you.
I saw Jason Scott at DEFCON, but I didn't go up to say hi, because I don't even think
the guy knows me or anything, but...
No, no, actually, you did mention a couple things about Default Radio.
Oh, really?
And Binrev, and, uh, and RFA, and...
Cool.
You know, he thinks it's cool that we sort of started this whole little internet radio, like,
feed, and now there's all this podcasting and everything else, and...
Yeah, I was talking to Stink with that, uh, last night, but before we started doing the
show about podcasts, and we even brought this up on the show, people are acting like this
is new.
Yeah.
With this podcasting, they're like, oh, this is the newest, best thing ever, internet radio,
oh, who thought to put talk on internet radio?
So, and, uh, people have been doing this for years, and we talked about RFA, it started
in, you know, 2000, what, 2001, 2002?
Yeah.
I think 2002, two years, yeah.
Yeah, this has been around for a long time, right?
Radio's been doing this since 98, you know?
This is not new, so...
The Boss Hog Show that I talked about a little bit, uh, before the show with you.
Right, right, and they, yeah, they're like a...
The Boss Hog Show dot com.
Aren't they, aren't they like a default radio, you said?
No, no, they're just a streaming internet radio show, uh, they're based out of Austin,
it's not really technical, it's more of a little talk show.
Really?
Kind of like our show it's gonna be?
Uh, I don't know, I haven't really listened to it.
Well, we'll listen to it, and then we'll, we'll steal their ideas, and then see how
works, no, I'm just kidding, but anyways.
Yeah, it'll be awesome.
But, uh, what else, so, uh, you're talking about speech.
Oh, yeah, there was one speech that was pretty cool, um, on cable internet, uh, or not
cable internet, cable TV hacky, now to the, oh, the hotel rooms, basically.
The hotel rooms?
Yeah, basically, um, you know, the, the pay services are all, there's basically like a
computer inside the TV, and he was showing you that on most of the, most of the hotel
systems, it's real simple, you can just bring your own TV in, unplug the cable, and plug
it, and plug it straight into your TV, and you get the live feed of everything, you can
watch all the pay channels for free, and all.
Really?
Yeah, all kinds of, so it's the actual television that's locked.
Yeah.
Anyone could, because they have, you can get a portable TV.
Yeah, the, there's like a computer inside there that tells what room number it is, and
what room number to bill, and everything, and, uh, I guess in theory you could actually
bill, like, pay-per-views to other rooms, and, fuck, yeah, and all kinds of other things,
and this guy was also talking about the TVs themselves, if you, um, if you take a PDA, and you
put the infrared mode on, and you set it to the same TV, and you change a few hex digits
on, uh, like, the power button or something like that.
Yeah.
You can, if you change a few digits, you can find secret codes that the maids use, and stuff
like that.
Wow.
Uh, yeah, like, when the maid comes in your room, she, she has, like, a remote that she
can press, like, saying that the room is done, and then, so she doesn't have to actually write
it down, or anything like that.
You know, and same with, like, checking out of your room, and stuff like that, and, in
theory, you could, you can actually go through these programming menus, and check other people
out of their room, and all kinds of other weird stuff.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah, it was, it was a really cool talk, and, um, I don't know, you'd have to Google
it, and I forgot who did the speech, but, um, it was a really, it was a really awesome
talk, I think the same guy talked about, um, he was talking about infrared and wireless
stuff, and things of that nature, and he started talking about how his wife had actually got
locked out of her car, somehow the remote didn't, wasn't syncing with her, uh, car for
the car alarm, and she called up the manufacturer, and the manufacturer said, yeah, uh, you have
to put in this reset code, you know, like, unlock, lock, panic, unlock, something like
that, some simple reset code that you could get from the manufacturer.
Anyways, um, she had wrote down the code and gave, and gave it to him, and the next time,
this guy, this guy went out, uh, with his friend, who had a similar car, I guess the same
make, or whatever, and he noticed that the key fob was the same, it was the same one
that his wife had for her car, and he said, you know what, can I, can I see that, I want
to see something real quick.
So, they went into a parking garage, and they parked, and he punches in the reset code, and
sure enough, it unlocked, it unlocked his friend's car.
Right.
Um, along with, like, half of the other cars in the parking lot.
Oh my god.
He just heard all the locks unlock, you know.
Oh my god, that's funny.
I mean, talk about being on default.
Well, yeah.
The cars are on default, man.
Yeah, man.
Oh, and have you heard about those RFID, uh, that the RFID tags were recently hacked?
No.
This was on Security Focus a couple weeks ago.
What's that all about?
Um, I don't know, some, some group had hacked those RFID tags that they use at, like, mobile
for getting gas.
Oh, okay.
And stuff like that, and people also use them in their cars to unlock their cars, and stuff
like that.
Anyways, they had cracked the encryption on it, and they could actually, they could actually
like, clone people's, like, mobile, uh, key fobs.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I was like, wow, and plus you can, plus they use the same technology to unlock
cars.
I'm like, wow, you can use an RFID to steal a car and then steal the gas for it, too.
Oh man, that's pretty bad, Lucky.
Well, I was just laying, you know, like, that's pretty sad.
That's pretty bad.
But anyways.
And there was another speech, I think it was on Sunday morning, in the Birds of a Feather
Track.
Um, I can't remember this guy's name, he's pretty cool, though.
Google this guy, too, he's really awesome.
That's understandable, there's a lot of people, that's understandable, though, because there's
a lot of people at cons, you can't remember everyone's name, you know, so.
Yeah, but this guy was really cool.
He's done quite a couple speeches.
He's spoke at DEFCON, he's even spoke for the NSA.
Really?
Yeah, this guy.
What does that mean?
He spoke for the NSA, what do you, NSA is cons, when can we go?
I don't know, he spoke for the NSA, that's what's said on his website, I'm pretty sure.
NSA con?
Anyways.
Anyways, besides speaking at the NSA con and all this, what was the speech about?
Um, this particular speech was about, uh, I can't remember the title, but it was about
perception.
Uh-huh.
Uh, not really anything too technical, but more or less, how people perceive things, and
things of that nature.
For instance, I mean, you go war driving, you see a bunch of Linksys APs that are all on
default, right?
Oh yeah, everywhere.
You know, and especially at businesses and stuff.
And whoever sold this to the, to, you know, there might be a, quote, system administrator,
but he doesn't know his head from his ass.
He's leaving, he's leaving the Wi-Fi wide open.
Good way of putting it, but yeah.
He's leaving Wi-Fi wide open with the default SSID of Linksys, you know.
Uh, and basically, the whole point is, this guy thinks he's secure.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have it set up like this.
Mm-hmm.
He bought a product that he thought, you know, oh, it's only gonna work inside my office.
The radio waves can't go outside the office.
You know.
All right.
Um, well, the point is, um, now I remember the name of the speech.
It was like, Zen and perception, or when is a network not a network.
Okay.
Um, and basically what it's saying is, is this guy seeing one network, his, which he thinks
is secure.
Right.
And anyone who's war driving is seeing another network.
A wide open one that's not secure or anything else.
Yeah.
And basically, it was all about perception and how people think and how we get to certain
places, and I don't know, dude.
It was just like, it was a really fulfilling speech.
Mm-hmm.
Um, you know, it really, I, I emailed this guy, too.
You know, it went a lot with, uh, some of the quotes that I have on my bin ref sig, for
instance, uh, you know, he was talking about, he was talking about, like, stuff like, if
the government bans free speech, people are still gonna speak.
Yeah.
Um, you know, basically, you know, like, one of the, one of my sigs is, if freedom is
to be outlawed, only outlaws will have freedom.
All right.
You know, and that's pretty much how it is, is everything is all about perception.
People can say, you know, you can make laws and stuff to try and ban people from doing
things, but people are still going to be able to do those things.
Just because it's written that you can't, doesn't mean that you can't.
Yeah.
You know, and he was talking about how when people, like, learn things, like, when you
get a new, you get a new employee, you gotta train them.
You train them how to do something step by step.
You do it like this.
Right.
And the employee's gonna be like, well, you know, they, they don't understand why they
have to do it like this.
They, they just understand that they have to do it like this.
Yeah.
They're trained to do it like that.
Well, eventually, when you start working there, you're gonna start noticing shortcuts and you're
gonna break the rules a little bit, you know?
You're gonna, you're gonna do things more faster and efficiently.
But then there's other people who can't perceive like that.
And they'll just continue to, you know, do things step by step by step, because that's
how they were taught to do it, and they don't ask any questions.
Exactly.
And, I don't know, it was just a really good talk.
Yeah, I mean, you had to be there.
Which, of course, I wasn't.
Yeah, of course.
I really hope someone got a video of that talk, because it was, it was.
Speaking of video, did they take, uh, did ShmooCon do the video themselves?
When they do video of the speeches?
There was, there was, I don't think there was any video of the speeches.
Because at, like, Defcon, they had that whole thing where, you know, you couldn't record
inside because that's copyrighted by them.
And I, I really didn't like that, you know?
I don't, did the ShmooCon do the same policy as Defcon did?
No, not at all.
Not at all.
There was people, there were definitely people with their hand, hand cams, um, recording
stuff.
But, ShmooCon themselves did not record any speeches, I don't think.
Uh-huh.
Maybe they recorded the audio, I'm not sure, but they definitely weren't doing any video.
Yeah, because that was the one thing with Defcon, when you do a speech at Defcon, they
own it.
Yeah.
Right, they own the whole speech.
And the Sound of Music or something like that owns it, I don't know, some, some, some
company like that.
All right, well, that was the thing, you cannot film your own speech.
Like, they would let me, um, film at all, like, I couldn't tape, I could tape after the
speech, that was fine, but I couldn't tape during the speech, you know, which sucks isn't,
I can't put that on, you know, Doug TV, of course, unless I want to pay him, I think
it was like 80 bucks for a VHS cassette, something like that, I don't know, of your speech that
you did.
So, I thought that was kind of messed up, but at least ShmooCon didn't do that.
Yeah, ShmooCon sounds like it was really, uh...
It was really chill, and, uh, very informative.
Yeah, probably, is it every year?
Uh, I think it's gonna be an annual thing, yeah.
All right, yeah, well, next year, then, most definitely, I'm still going to Defcon.
By the way, you're going to Defcon this year?
Yes, I am.
You have money for it?
Because I know you just said...
Okay, um, maybe I'm not.
You just thought of it, because you said, credit card bill, everything.
Yeah, um, that, yeah, that really did disappoint me a little bit, is, uh, my, running
up my credit card bill, because, I don't know, I wanted to go to Layer 1, I know that's
not happening, I'd like to go to Defcon.
Where's Layer 1?
Uh, it's in Pasadena, I think, at the Pasadena Hilton.
Here?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, right here in California.
Um, I wanted to go there, but I don't think I'm gonna have the money for it.
Uh, I wanna go to Defcon.
Probably won't have the money for that, but I'll probably end up doing it anyways.
You gotta, you gotta go anyways, man.
Uh, Defcon, there's gonna be a lot more people there at Defcon this year.
Even Stained Dog is going, you know, and much more people at DDP, because they all went
to Hope, you know, and, of course, it's timed at the same time, you know.
Yeah.
But, uh, yeah, I think Defcon this year's gonna be a lot better than it was last year, you
know, and there's a lot of people that say, oh, all those people from Hope are coming,
I'm not going this year, then whatever, screw them, you know, but you gotta find a way
to go.
Yeah, I sure hope so.
Because I don't wanna fly a plane alone to Vegas, you know.
Man, this is disgusting.
Have you ever tried this Dr. Pepper, uh, not just Dr. Pepper, Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper?
Diet Cherry Vanilla what?
It's Dr. Pepper with cherry, which I think is bad by itself, with also vanilla, which is
worse, and it's a diet.
Okay.
I don't know who came up with the idea, but anyways.
Idiots.
Yeah.
Morons.
Back to, back to your speech about Callerty spoofing.
I wanna bring this up on this show right here.
No, you sure this shouldn't be like a Kevin, a Kevin Stark tip, or something like that?
I know you're obsessed with Kevin Rose, just drop it for a minute, alright?
You're just jealous because you don't have Sarah Lane, just drop it, anyways.
Okay.
Alright, alright, let's just screw this, alright.
Callerty spoofing.
Now that's your big thing, you're all into that Callerty spoofing.
You're not into people that use Callerty, right?
Uh, no.
Okay.
Explain to me why you have a problem with people that look at their Callerty, and not
only that look at their Callerty, have services such as anonymous call rejection, which rejects
people with a private number that call you.
What pisses you off so much about this?
Because, why can't people just answer their phone?
Why do they have to pay all this money for services that are worthless anyways?
Anyone can go to covertcall.com and pay 5 cents a minute to show any number they want on
your, uh, on your display.
And of course, uh, as you know, with asterisk, you can even spoof the Caller ID name now on
certain switches.
Right.
So, I mean, I can put whatever the hell I want on your Caller ID display.
So why don't you just answer your phone no matter where I'm calling from?
Alright.
I'm not gonna, I don't wanna, like, make this an argument.
I'm just gonna give opinion.
I mean, we'll give, we'll do a whole politically incorrect style here.
The thing with Caller ID is, when I'm getting a call, at a certain time, I don't feel like
talking to a certain person.
Not anything mean, it's just that I'm in a certain situation at the time where I just
don't feel like talking.
And instead of, you know, telling you that, picking up my phone, wasting an airtime minute,
I'm gonna just...
Turn your cell phone off.
No, because there's certain people I want to talk to.
You understand what I'm saying?
Now, I do understand.
I have no problem with people that spoof.
I'm all for Caller ID spoofing.
I'm not saying, oh, you shouldn't do that.
That's, you know, manipulating Caller ID.
No, I'm all for Caller ID spoofing.
But the people that I talk to can't Caller ID spoof.
Look, Doug.
You're 16, okay?
Right.
You're not a doctor.
You're not running a business.
You're not not theory over here.
You don't need a cell phone, first of all.
You don't need one.
Do you need a cell phone?
No.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Neither do I.
I'm all for that.
I don't really care about cell phones.
I could live fine without it.
I live months and months without a cell phone.
My point is when I'm out with someone, such as my girlfriend, or I'm out at work or something
like that, I turn my phone off.
Why don't you turn your phone when you're doing bin rep?
But anyways.
All right.
I understand that.
But the problem is I have nothing wrong with Caller ID.
It's not that I look at Caller ID.
It's the fact that people that make their Caller ID private, why do you have to have a private
Caller ID?
Why can't you just show me your number?
Because.
Why do I have to show you my phone number?
Because you have my number.
Why can't you have the same respect of showing who you are?
Why do you have to hide yourself and make you, oh, I want to have a wild card here.
You don't know who's calling you.
Why can't you just say, oh, it's me calling you?
Because you know that you might get ignored.
That's the only people that get pissed off are people that are subject to being ignored.
No, dude.
No.
Actually, some people have complete Caller ID blocking on their line, and they don't feel
like dialing Star 82.
They just feel like dialing.
Why do they have complete Caller ID blocking?
Because they don't want to call, when they're making a call to a business who has no idea
who the hell you are, and you just want to make a, you just want to ask the business a
question about them, or something like that.
Then star 67 to them.
They don't need to know your number.
No.
Then star 67 to them.
But when you call friends and family, show your number.
No.
There's no reason for your number to be shown on every single call.
Then there's no reason for people to block their number.
First of all, there is a reason why your number shouldn't be shown.
Because if I'm calling you, and someone stole your cell phone, or is in your house, and
they're looking at the Caller ID when the phone starts ringing, I don't want that person
to see my phone number and write it down.
It'll have my name.
Why do they have to know my phone number?
I'm calling you, not them.
So if someone's in your house, or you're out, and your girlfriend steals your cell phone
or something, I don't want her knowing my number when I'm calling you.
Okay.
Now, I will say this with private.
When you have a cell phone, or not, well, I'm not going to say you because you're completely
weird, but when I have a cell phone, and it's during daytime, and it costs money to
accept those calls.
Yeah, send them to voicemail.
And then you can call your voicemail for free.
But when I'm getting a private call, and I have no idea what it is, it could be someone
doing a prank call, I'm not going to answer that call during the day.
Yeah, so turn your phone off.
I already said this.
Because if they're showing me their number, then I'm going to, because I'm going to talk
to certain people, I'm not going to talk to some random Joe that could be a complete
jackass and waste my airtime minutes to talk to this guy.
I want to know who's calling me, and then I'll see if it's important enough for me to
answer their call.
Look, if they really want to get a hold of you, they can text you and say, look, call
me back.
And if it's important, you'll call them back.
No, if it's important, look.
There's no reason to call ID block at all.
There is for calling businesses.
I just told you, I don't want other people that you're around when I call you seeing my
phone.
Right, I understand.
Because if you hand your phone to your friend and they're calling their friends, all those
people are going to get your number.
I'm down for that.
Yeah, you don't want those people to get your number.
But when I get a call at my house, if you're calling me, I want to know who you are.
Yes, you can manipulate that, but it's not big enough yet.
Once it gets that big enough where everyone and their mother...
It is big enough.
Anyone and their mother can go to CovertCall.com.
They can, but they're not...
The PayPal Joanna, $5.
First off, stop advertising these services, because I know you're probably getting money
by mentioning them, Kevin.
But anyways...
I'm not getting anybody.
Unless you go to VerizonFierce.com.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But anyways...
Okay, yes, anyone can spoof now.
It has gotten so easy where there are services out there where people can easily spoof.
However, not many people are doing that yet.
Once it becomes big of a problem, it's a huge risk.
They're going to change CallRD, and they're going to upgrade it, just like they do with
voicemail systems and everything else.
CallRD will be fixed, and then people will be using it again.
They're not going to get rid of CallRD.
They never will.
Yeah, they will.
No, they won't.
Yes, they will.
They've invented it now.
People have relied on CallRD so much, which I don't rely on CallRID.
I don't really rely on it like it's the biggest thing.
I could live with a phone without CallRID.
I have old phones everywhere where I don't look at CallRID.
But when it comes to a cell phone or something, where you're reaching me wherever you are,
that kind of thing, that's a real personal phone.
I want to know who's calling me.
And it's not going to die because they're just going to keep upgrading it,
and there are just going to be people making more hacks for it.
It would be a lot easier, yes, if they got rid of CallRD,
but that would create more chaos because then people will be fighting,
oh, I want my CallRD.
I want to know what my mom's calling me instead of my sister because I don't want to talk to her.
That's why we have call blocking and all these other features.
You still don't know who's calling.
Your sister could go over to your mom's house and pick up your mom's phone.
But when these – they're calling from those phones, though.
Yes.
That's completely different.
That's CallRD from where they're calling from.
They're not manipulating it.
Yeah, but you're still basing it on a phone number, not on who's calling.
All right.
The reason why I brought this up on the show is because I want people to email radio at binriv.com
what they think about this.
Do you use CallRD?
Do you not?
What do you think people should do with CallRD?
What are your views on spoofing CallRD?
I want people to bring this up because you and I will never come to an agreement because
you're anti-CallRD.
You're the only one I know that's like, oh, answer your phone no matter who it is.
That's right.
You don't understand.
If you want to screen your calls, invest in a – it's a $10 device known as an answer
machine.
Okay?
When someone calls your house, fucking have your answer.
I thought you just said answer the phone no matter who calls you.
Look, if you want to screen your calls, put an answer machine on your phone.
Why don't I just screen with CallRD?
Because you're not going to know who it is with CallRD.
No, you are.
No, you're not.
No, you'll know what phone number is calling you.
That doesn't tell you who is calling you.
That gives me a pretty good idea, though.
No.
Because I know if a number is going to be –
You know what?
Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.
Yeah, and it's going to be fixed.
Just like how everything else that's manipulated gets fixed.
Still the mother of all fuck-ups.
Because you know why it's getting fixed?
Because people are using CallRD spoofing for billing reasons, and that's going to be more
of a big deal than, you know, oh, I don't know who's calling me.
And they're going to fix that, and then CallRD is going to have a whole completely new upgrade.
There's going to be CallRD 2.0 or whatever, you know?
No, there's not.
Yes, there is.
You just don't want to admit that people use CallRD for a reason.
It's a big deal to people.
Look, in order for them to fix this for POTS lines and stuff like that, they're going
to have to put a separate data channel in, and they're going to have to give you new
equipment, and no one's going to want to – they're going to be like, I've been using
this CallRD box for 20 years.
I ain't getting a new one.
Well, then they're going to be infected.
It's the same thing.
People that run Windows 95, oh, they're going to have to upgrade because, oh, I don't
know, it's kind of old.
You can get a lot of viruses, you know?
It's the same thing with CallRD.
I'm just telling you, man.
Look at CallRD.
When they came up with CallRD, CallWaiting.
Everyone switched their boxes to have CallWaiting, CallRD.
It's the same thing.
I don't know, dude.
Dude, CallRD, everyone, too many people rely on CallRD because of that reason.
It's a screening purpose thing.
They want to know who's calling you.
They have their phone books and their cell phones.
Oh, hey, Jenny, how are you calling?
You know, what's up, you know?
Yeah, well, they're more.
Well, I respect that.
Yeah, you know what?
You have your own view.
And that's cool because you're not, you know, backing down.
Well, maybe in this situation because you actually have a strong opinion on this.
A lot of people think you're crazy.
I have to let you know that.
But a lot of things are manipulated.
You can manipulate a lot of things in life, but they always end up getting fixed.
CallRD spoofing is not that big of a deal yet.
It won't be fixed.
It will be.
No, it won't.
How do you know that?
It's not going to be fixed.
Why wouldn't it be fixed?
It's not going to be fixed.
A lot of things have been fixed.
It won't be fixed.
So what are they going to do?
Just get rid of CallRD?
No, but it won't be fixed.
They're going to do something.
CallRD is going to get out of hand.
There's a lot of corporate businesses that use CallRD.
Oh, well, they're noobs.
All right, enough about this CallRD spoofing crowd, because you and I, of course, will
never come to agreement.
We've argued about this for years.
And we will continue to argue about it.
We'll continue to argue because of our different views.
I don't think you're wrong.
You want to bitch about cell phone minutes?
You know, control who you give your cell phone number to.
And if someone gives your cell phone number out, then kill them.
Hey, you know what?
I'm a very popular guy.
A lot of people, especially the ladies, have my cell phone number.
Got to get a hold of them.
And they all have anonymous call rejection.
There's no way of calling them without unblocking my CallRD.
Well, spoof to them.
No, because then they don't answer.
I have to spoof their other boyfriend's number to them, and then they answer.
Yeah, and then you go like, hey, baby.
Did I ever tell you that story, dude?
My friend wanted to know if his girl was cheating on him.
He had a suspect of some guy.
He's like, what should I do?
And I was like, you could spoof a number.
And he's like, what?
What do you mean?
And I was like, yeah, you know, I used to spoof with you all the time.
I used to, you know, prank your house all the time as a joke.
You know, he's like, yeah, yeah.
He's like, wait a minute.
You could do that to her, her cell phone?
I was like, yeah.
It doesn't have to be a house phone.
So he gives me her number, and he comes over to my house.
And this is back when we were using VXML, like, a long time ago.
And we call her up, and we spoof this supposedly guy.
And the first thing she does when she answers the phone, hey, baby, how you doing?
I missed you.
I had a good time last night.
The first thing she just said right in the open, and the first thing he said, you effing bitch, was the first thing he said.
But, no, I thought it was the funniest thing because the first thing the girl did, she relied on that call ID of the guy she was having an affair with.
And that's what I don't do.
I don't trust what it says.
I always say hello.
It's the first thing I say.
I don't say, hey, Lucky, what's up, you know?
So, I mean, I'm not trustworthy of call ID, but I do use it, you know?
I'm not going to trust it.
But, anyways, do you have anything to comment on that?
Because I'm going to wrap it up here.
We've got to get to the show.
So you trusted enough to answer your phone, but you don't really care.
Well, I kind of, it's like a 50-50.
Like, maybe it's possibly that person, but I'm not really sure.
But I'm taking the chance.
Well, you know, roulette's a 50-50 chance, too, but you probably lose at it.
It's the same thing with the lottery, man.
Nothing's, everything's a chance in life, you know?
But what I'm saying, you talked earlier about how things with car alarms and the default
of the remotes, the combinations, how I've unlocked all those cars.
Don't you think that's going to be fixed?
No.
You don't think that's going to be fixed?
Do you think everything is always on default?
That's what it all comes to?
Everything is on default.
Everything is always on default.
That's true.
That's why that shows the meaning.
Well, you know what?
You're right.
All right, let's see if Caller ID ever gets fixed, you owe me $20.
If it never does, well, we'll never find out.
I don't have to owe your shit, so either way, I'm good.
What is that?
So, anyways, shout.
We've got to put a time expiration on that bet.
All right, I'm saying within the next five years.
I've got $20 coming to me.
Five years.
Within the next five years, there's going to be some kind of Caller ID upgrade.
Now, I'm not saying that that upgrade, it's not going to be vulnerable, because I'm sure
someone's going to hack it, but there will be at least an attempt to have a new Caller
ID service.
All right?
No.
Five years.
But, anyways, we've got to wrap the show up.
We've got to give shouts.
My shouts go to Sub-Zero, of course, because I really wish we could have hung out with him
yesterday, but someone had to work.
Yeah, that was me.
That was you.
Yeah, I wish I could have hung out with him, too.
Yeah, dude, he had to wait at LAX for, like, five hours.
Yeah, and that sucks.
That's time he could have been spending with us.
Yeah.
Doing Doug TV.
Yeah, we could have been filming and shit.
I mean, oh, God.
We could have done a lot of crap, but anyway.
We could have been filming and crap, but, yeah, that sucks.
Like, he had to wait at the airport that long, you know, and probably didn't get to do much.
I think I called him up, and he was at, like, Chili's inside the airport, and they
were just...
So wrong.
They were just chilling.
I was like, you're at LAX that long?
Like, God, that's insane.
But, yeah, hopefully we'll see him at some con or something, so, yeah, because he seems
like a really cool dude.
Yeah, definitely.
Shouts to DJ Mullisk.
Right.
And Holly.
Right, Holly.
And shouts to Athenix, a friend of ours.
Yeah, hook it up for your website.
He worked on the PHP News Code, and it came out really nice.
So, yeah, big shouts to him.
He's been a big help.
And also, again, to Sub-Zero, because he designed the Doug Show logo.
So, with the microphone and everything, the loop and all.
So, yeah, he's a good talent there.
You got any shouts?
Yeah, shouts to Natus, shouts to Droops, shouts to Iceknife.
Those were all people that were staying in my room with me at Shmookon.
Right.
Anyone else in the DDP was at Shmookon?
No, I think that was the only DDP-related people that were...
Not there, he didn't show, or...
No, not there, he didn't show.
And StangDog didn't go, right?
Yeah, he didn't go.
No, he didn't go.
Huh.
But I did have a fun time hanging out with them.
Shouts to Lance James.
It was definitely cool meeting him.
We were speaking together, but that was the first time I'd actually met him in person.
It's kind of odd, since he lives in California, and we met him in person in D.C.
But, yeah, he was a very cool person.
He was sitting there playing the piano, and then, like, the maids were watching him, and he didn't know.
It was pretty funny.
That's funny.
Yeah, so shouts to him.
Shouts to everyone at Shmookon.
It was everyone who went.
It was a great con.
It was definitely...
It seems like real fun.
I'd go next year.
If there was one next year, I'll definitely go.
Yeah.
It's worth it.
Definitely.
Worth the money.
Is that it?
Those are all my shouts.
What about you?
I gave out my shouts, Lucky.
You see, here's the thing.
Me and Lucky clown around too much, and I think it was a bad idea for me to choose Lucky as my co-host, right here in the same room with me, when he's over there dancing to music and eating Cheez-Its.
Dancing to music, dude?
What are you talking about?
Eating Cheez-Its and everything.
Because me and Lucky, what makes this hard is that we're trying to act serious, but we're just failing at it.
But anyways, hopefully me and Lucky did a good job.
We didn't bore anyone, because seriously, thanks, StankDog, because it's really a big deal, and even an honor for him to trust me to do this show.
That's a big deal, because StankDog's never had...
Especially when it's you and Mr. 225.
Especially when it's, yeah, us.
Not just me, not just you, but us combined together.
Yeah, this is, yeah, it's hard to do, but yeah, thanks a lot, StankDog, for letting me fill in, and even letting me choose Lucky.
Oh, and shouts to you, Doug.
Yeah, thanks for giving me a nice wild cherry Pepsi while I was sitting here in the studio doing the show.
Not a problem.
We got some cheese with you.
You're going to be here every Thursday for our show, right?
Yeah, definitely.
Thursday afternoons, all right?
That's going to be when our show...
This is a very cool, chill, new studio.
It is, you know, we got the drum set.
But hopefully we'll have, like, an actual, like, Doug show band and everything.
We'll have...
I think it'll be a fun show to do, because it'll be a lot more relaxed, because this show's a real professional.
This is a good show, man.
This is, like, hard to do.
I can't believe StankDog does every week with the show notes and everything.
So, yeah, he's a busy man.
I don't know how he can handle this, but...
But hopefully I'll be here again next week, continuing to fill in for him.
Hopefully.
Hopefully not.
But maybe I will, maybe not.
Maybe StankDog will listen to this and be like, what the hell did I do?
But, again, send all email to radio at binrev.com.
That's, I guess that's it for Binrev.
Yeah, maybe we'll, maybe I'll see you next week.
Same hack time.
Same hack channel.
We'll be right back.