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Hello, everyone, and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio.
I am your host, StankDog, and I am your next American Idol.
That's right.
Today is March 22, 2005.
This is episode 88.
And joining me again this week to co-host the show and for me to officially thank him on the air
would be none other than Doug the Engineer.
Or just Doug, as we like to call him on this show.
And joking aside, you did a good job then.
I always said that.
And you did a good job with BinRev.
Even though you didn't tell anybody about the closing music
and everybody's emailing wanting to know who closed episodes.
Was it 83 and 84, right?
I think so, yeah.
Well, the first one was Trubman Bass.
And the second one was one of Lucky's friends that did some rap song.
I don't know who did that.
Hmm.
Well, we'll have to see if we can throw that up on the web somewhere
and give people a link to it because a couple people did ask about it.
Now, our opening tonight is a track that was mixed together for us by our good friend Epiphany.
So, we thought we'd open the show with that.
So, happy belated birthday to you, my friend.
Cool, dude.
Let's see.
What else do we have in the housekeeping?
Oh, I'm still working through some email problems.
I think for the most part we've got them ironed out now.
One or two people have reported to me they had problems.
But we're watching closely.
I haven't seen too many things bouncing.
Everything seems to be okay.
And I've got one more change to make to our name servers.
Once that takes effect, then, as far as I know, we should have everything up and running.
So, that's all I have for housekeeping, unless you had anything to announce.
So, I'm good.
Hi, everybody.
Let's do the email theme music.
This is a little game we had last week.
You know, part of the running fun that we have on the show is trying to figure out how to pronounce people's handles.
I think it's, well, it's Dr. Lizard.
Yeah, Lizard Mon or Lizard Man.
Yeah, Lizard Man.
Yeah, and that's what his email here today is.
He's confirming that it is, in fact, Lizard Man.
But the first time I looked at it, I thought it said Laser Demon.
I mean, it does look like Laser Demon, right?
I think it could go for both.
Right.
And that's fun.
See, that's fun, figuring out people's names.
And this guy was very cool about it.
And this is his email.
It says, he says, it is Lizard Man, but I like Laser Demon.
I am not offended by your comments and had a good laugh.
I had thought that my handle sucked until now.
It is funny what stuff you get on eBay.
Oh, wait a minute.
I'm sorry.
We switched topics here.
It is funny what stuff you get on eBay AdWords.
For example, I did a search for Human Heart today and buy Human Hearts on eBay.
New or used best prices came up.
So then we talked about the Google AdWords program on a previous show.
So they had two sentences there.
I think I ran them together because I'm not good at reading.
I'm from the South.
What can I tell you?
Very tough.
Yeah, it's just, that is kind of a funny mistake.
Because that name could go either way.
We're going to go with Lizard Man because that's what he's telling us it is.
So Lizard Man, thank you for the email.
And thanks for understanding that it's just fun.
We're not insulting anybody's names or just trying to figure out how to read.
We're just trying to get hooked on phonics here.
That's all we're doing.
Seriously, I don't understand why so many people get angry and upset and don't grasp the concept.
We're having fun on the show.
Damn, fuck off if you don't like it.
And I mean that, seriously.
How much is the human heart going for on eBay, I wonder?
I have no idea.
I could go eBay that up for it.
Yeah, I might have to go check that out after the show.
I want a screenshot.
That would be kind of funny.
New or used?
How are you going to buy a new heart?
Aren't they all used?
I guess they would all be new.
Or I mean used.
How do you get a new human heart?
Unless it's like artificial or something.
Oh, well.
Anyway, next email.
You know what?
Let's do this.
Why don't you read it?
You read a couple of emails.
Why don't you read this email tonight?
All right.
That's part of that show I hated doing, by the way, when you were gone.
First email is from Evil1.
Yo, Sting, I like the show, but not as much as RFA, but still a good show.
Anywho, I got some questions.
Number one, how do you know when you've moved on from being a noob?
You know you're not a noob, yet you're no guru yet either.
Is there a middle ground?
Number two, or do you want to answer?
I was going to say, should we answer?
Let's answer the first question first.
Yeah, should we answer or should we wait until we're all done?
I guess let's do it.
That'll make it easier on you reading it.
How about that?
Okay.
Okay, so let's see, about, um, well, okay, first of all, first of all, should I say this?
Okay, I don't understand why people have the need to point out that they like some other
show better.
I don't get that.
What is the point?
What is the productivity?
What is the positive?
What's the point of making that comment to me?
You suck, but I got some questions.
Maybe they think this is like a spin-off show from RFA, though.
But it's a completely different, I was on RFA, and it's a different show, I don't know.
The thing is, okay, I liked RFA.
I was on it for a while.
I loved RFA.
I still love RFA.
That's why we relaunched it with episode one.
But that's not us.
I mean, we're different.
Saying it's better or worse, that's kind of, I don't know.
It comes across a little bit rude.
I get a lot of messages like this.
This is why I've been having some issues lately with what the future of the show is, because
I don't, oh, anyway, you know what?
Let's, I'll go on to question number one.
Let's see.
How do you know when you've moved on from being a noob?
I don't really think that's a term or even a definition or some kind of measurement.
It's not a point of measurement.
It's not like, oh, well, you start off as a noob, and then you're a, I don't know, whatever
in between, and then you become elite at some point.
No, it's not.
Noob is a joke.
You know, we call Lucky a noob all the time, and Lucky knows a lot of stuff.
You know?
You know, I don't know.
I think the people of the TV show Pure Ownage would have to disagree with you.
My new favorite internet TV show.
Yeah, well, Pure, Pure Ownage.
They actually pronounce it Pure Ownage, but it's, I always say pwned.
Pwnage.
I thought it was pwnaged, yeah.
Yeah, I think they pronounced it on the show Pure Ownage, I think is what they say, but.
They say Ownage, but I don't know, maybe gamers, you know, they say it differently, you
know?
Boom!
Headshot!
That dude carries the show.
That dude's the, he's the coolest part of the show.
So, if you haven't seen Pure Ownage, go to purepwnage.com, P-W-N-A-G-E.com, I think,
and download the fifth episode.
Yeah, it's, and that guy was in an earlier episode, too, I think, like three or something.
Anyway, yeah, that show.
I think the episode five is just well put together and just hilarious.
I love comedy like that.
Yeah, it is, it's a very, very funny show.
It really is cool.
Um, so, yeah, so, in gaming terms, I guess a noob is somebody who just doesn't know how
to play.
I mean, I guess there's a gaming definition, but as far as hacking goes, noob, you know,
only time you ever say noob is as a joke to somebody, it is kind of an insult joke, but
I don't think anybody ever calls, anybody who ever does label someone as a noob is a
noob themselves, you know, it's one of those things where you can't label yourself or label
other people, because who are you to do such a thing?
Who are you to determine what is or what isn't leet, or what is or what isn't a noob, you
know?
Yeah, if I, if I ever said noob to people, I would tell them, you know, people that don't
know me, they would think that I'm trying to offend them, but noob is not really, to
me, an actual term, you know?
Retard, idiot, stupid, you know, those are actual descriptions of people.
Calling someone a noob is just a joke term.
Right, yeah, I don't think that's a measurement term, I think that's the simplest way to put
it, if somebody's a noob, I mean, everybody's a noob at something, if you want to talk about
like, everybody's new to something, there's, somebody knows more than me about everything.
Absolutely.
Boy, that, boy, people are going to take that sound clip and replay it forever.
There's always something out there, there's always someone out there that knows more about
you than any, than, you know, than you do.
Always going to happen.
And so nobody's ever like uber elite that they know it all, and no one's ever like unskilled
or like a true noob, like people seem to think this term means you don't know anything if
you're a noob.
I don't think that's the case at all.
There's a lot of people I've met that are like, oh, I'm a noob, I don't know anything,
I don't know anything.
And a few minutes later, I'm 20 minutes into talking to them, and I'm learning that they
do know a lot more than they give themselves credit for.
So I wouldn't use noob as a term of measurement or eliteness or whatever you want to call
it at all.
I think it's just a joke term, at least when I use it.
And if any, if someone does use it in a derogatory manner, guess what?
Their opinion really shouldn't mean jack shit to you anyway.
The elitists, screw them.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, so where were we?
What else?
All right, well, question number two from EvilOne.
My site got, quote, hacked, that dumb fucking PHPB, yeah, PHPBS exploit.
It was a hacker site, and the irony is killing me.
Should I start over?
I knew that the bug, but, or I knew about the bug, but I'm lazy, you know?
Oh, yeah, I know.
So everybody's got a little bit of lazy in them or lack of time.
There's always excuses, but you know what?
We're going to hold other people and real webmasters to them.
Of course, they're getting paid for it usually, and we're not, but you've got to keep that
stuff up.
Yeah, it's a little bit ironic, but isn't that the same thing that took Covert call down,
by the way?
I really am not sure, because that whole entire site was hacked, and I don't even think they
had forms.
Oh, I'm positive they had forms on there, but I don't know exactly what this, I don't
know what the exploit is.
I don't use PHP.
Well, it wasn't just, it wasn't just Covert call.
It was a whole bunch of other spoofing sites that I got, Covert call and Camophone.
Right, both of which, and see, I think I said on the show quite a few episodes back, those
sites look like the same damn site, just with a different name.
They use the same forums, they use the same site design and logos and graphics, and I
mean, it's the same person running those...
Well, they copy off each other, you know, they both, someone wanted to do the same thing
with spoofing and make money off of it, just like how people do internet TV shows, they
copy off each other.
Right down to the music.
The radio show.
Right down to the music sometimes.
Yeah, we'll leave that one, I'll back off of that one, we'll leave that one alone.
And when people do radio shows, they copy off each other too, so that's how people do business,
they just copy and steal ideas.
Yeah, there's no new ideas left, I guess.
Oh, well.
Yeah, part of web mastering is that that's part of the deal, is you do have to update your
software and watch, and no, you're not going to catch them all.
Being a hacking site also makes you a target, also.
I mean, I watch very carefully.
I know there's someone dying to find something like that on us.
I watch very carefully, and I try to keep up with things, but, you know, all I can say
as far as advice is, make backups as much as you can, as often as you can, so that if
you do get owned, you can restore from a backup, plug the hole that was, if you find out what
the hole is, of course, you know, but you don't lose data, you might be down for a day
or a couple days or a few hours or whatever the case is, but make backups as often as you
can so that you can at least recover and get it back up and running.
It happens to the best of sites, it happens to the best of people.
It's some, yeah, I understand what you're saying, being lazy sometimes.
Sometimes you just don't have time.
Hey, you play the game, you take your chances.
That's all there is to it.
Yep.
What else we have?
All right, well, question number three is, I have like 10,000 songs on my hard drive.
I don't share very many of them, but the point is I have them.
Should I worry about the RIA?
No.
I mean, how do they catch you and reply to one of your last e-mails and question about
independent jazz musicians?
Check out www.acidplanet.com.
All right, acidplanet.com, we'll check that out.
No, don't worry about the RIA.
Screw them, who cares?
Downloading is not illegal, uploading is illegal.
Right, and how is anybody going to know that those 10,000 songs you didn't legally rip from
your CDs just because you have them on your hard drive?
Now, yeah, once you start sharing them, then you're opening yourself up to potential, but
you know what?
Unless you're really pushing them out there and it's some luck involved, you know, that
they happen to be looking out there.
I mean, we've heard the stories of the 12-year-old girls and the 70-some-year-old grandmothers that
it's happened to, but it's a little bit of luck involved.
And they keep their clients on default to upload all that information, you know?
They're probably leaving their programs open late at night and, you know, they're just
being uploaded.
The ISP is detecting that uploading traffic, you know?
Yeah, I really don't think, in general, most ISPs don't care because they know that's what
customers want and they turn a blind eye to it.
Now, none of them would ever admit that publicly because it would really get them in trouble with
the RAA.
They'd really crack down on them and the government, but truthfully, they don't care.
I mean, if you ever listen to commercials on the radio or TV, they're always talking about
your music downloads and movies and all the great stuff you can find.
They won't come out and say how or that, you know, copyright comes into play.
They want people.
They know that's a selling point and they'll turn a blind eye to it unless it's like everything
else.
If the RIAA steps in and says, hey, you need to put a stop to it, then they'll force their
hand because they're going to throw you under the bus before they go under themselves.
And let's be honest, who's not going to do that?
Yeah, I mean, you're not going to get in trouble for downloading, you know, crappy quality
MP3s of music, you know?
Yeah, I doubt that'll ever...
I don't think you have anything to worry about.
That's the short answer.
All right.
Number four from Evil One is, at the beginning of the show, there's a rap song singing about
firewalls and shit.
Who's the artist?
I want to download them.
I don't know.
And one more...
I don't know who that is.
I forget.
Who is that?
I think...
I don't know.
Epiphany?
Yeah, today...
Actually, that's a good answer.
Touche.
Today it was Epiphany.
But no, our normal theme song is from Zerl, of course.
I didn't forget.
Zerl's my dog.
Z-E-A-R-L-E dot com.
It's on the frequently asked questions.
The number one most frequently asked question that we get.
And the answer is Zerl.
So, Evil One...
Oh, I think...
Did I cut you off?
Is there more?
Yeah, one more thing.
If you air this, my handle is Evil One.
Tell Rack, Sabrelink, Logic, and the rest of the Phoenix 2600 I said what's up.
And I think you pretty much just did.
Yeah, I think...
Yeah, I think that just happened.
Shouts to the Phoenix 2600 crew.
Or DEFCON group.
Or whatever they call themselves now.
They all...
See, that group of people, they go by whatever.
They don't really care too much about the name, which I think is kind of cool.
They all kind of join together and have a site for all the different ones.
It's all the same group of people, though, at the same places.
So, whatever.
I think it was kind of cool.
All right.
Let's see.
Next email is from White Fly.
Man, what is...
You know, here's...
Okay.
The guy last week, by the way, about the cool handle.
Apparently, all you got to do...
And I actually like the White Fly as a handle.
Don't get me wrong.
But all you got to do is take an animal and put the word white in front of it.
And that pretty much works.
Just avoid birds.
Avoid anything with a bird in the name of it.
And you'll be safe.
We've had bad luck with white birds.
But we won't go there.
I guess I already went there.
It's too late.
Anyway, White Fly says,
Hello?
I wanted to remark on your trepidations concerning Yahoo's practice of blocking Google spiders from searching their pages.
Great.
Here we go.
While this would initially seem like a distressing precedent, I do not believe we need to be too worried.
After hearing your comments, I remembered that some search engines actually compile results from several others.
So I quickly surfed over to dogpile.com and searched for GeoCities plus hacking and received numerous results from GeoCities webpages.
Interestingly enough, Dogpile reported that approximately half of these returned GeoCities sites were found using Google.
Thus, even if competing search engines block each other's spiders,
it seems that we will always have a way to search all the prominent search engines from a single portal.
On another note, I just got paid today.
We'll be ordering the mags soon, right after I treat myself to a new hoodie from Rant Radio.
Doug can give you props on this.
Sean Kennedy is the fucking man.
And Sim is pretty leet as well.
Late white.
P.S. I want to give mad props to everyone involved in the BinRev forums.
I have been frequenting them a lot lately.
And I'm just uber impressed with how well everyone and sometimes our dumb questions are treated.
And it's just made up of a bunch of freaking cool individuals.
And like I said, Doug, I'm sure you can back me up here.
Sim is the man.
Sim's always been cool with me.
Most definitely.
He's always been cool with me.
And you met and hung out with these guys a bit at DEFCON, if I remember correctly.
I wasn't able to make it.
But didn't you meet all these guys?
No, I saw Sean Kennedy, but I never talked to him.
And I saw Sumerian.
Knot Theory actually spoke to Sumerian.
I never got a chance to because I was in a different area.
But Knot Theory spoke to Sumerian and so did Slip Mode.
Oh, Slip did.
Oh, cool.
And Sumerian said, yeah, your guys' show is with BinRev and Default Radio.
You know, it has the good hacking content for Rant Radio that they need.
Well, I don't know about all that, but, yeah, Sim has always been very cool to me.
So, Sumerian, you're all right in my book.
Now, in the forums, yeah, I agree.
I like most of the people in the forums.
99.9% of the people in the forums are just really awesome people that are very helpful for the most part.
I've watched and witnessed people change, mostly for the better.
So, I think it's very accommodating.
It's a very friendly and approachable place to teach people, to learn, to ask questions, and all that kind of stuff.
So, yeah, the vast majority of people in our forums I'm very proud of.
They're very good people.
And the other .0001%, we just promote them to moderators.
Right, Doug?
Yep.
Yeah.
So, now watch.
Now the actual hate mail I get next week will be from the moderators, not from the listeners.
Great.
They got the moderators, you know, arguing.
They'll all go on strike or something.
Just let people know that go on the forums, being a moderator isn't all that great.
You don't get any, like, special access or anything.
Yeah, you do.
You have a moderator's forum.
Yeah, the DDP members seem to talk, and you guys have your own forum.
I'm trying, I'm posting some stuff out there for you all, man.
I'm giving you all some good stuff.
I will be, anyway.
I got some stuff planned.
Anyway.
What do you want, a medal?
This isn't the fucking Olympics?
No, our mod forums is for us mods that do all the work while you DDP people just sit down
on your ass and watch us do all the work.
Hey, better you than me, man.
I've been hated on enough.
I need a break.
I actually haven't done anything, like, once yet.
Everyone seems to be all right.
I haven't seen any problems lately.
Yeah, actually, they've been good.
If anything strong catches it before me, so.
Yeah, they've been pretty good lately, actually.
We haven't, we had one little incident with a captain, and we got that taken care of, and
since then, it's been, everybody's been flowing pretty smoothly.
So, let's see.
Knock on wood.
I'm sorry?
Knock on wood.
Yeah, yeah.
As soon as they said that, it's going to come back to haunt me.
As far as the Google and the Yahoo thing, actually, I got another email here from Tommy, who mentioned
some other things that we've already beaten to death, so I'm going to skip over it.
I'm going to start cutting some of these emails down a little bit and not repeating a lot of
things, because I know some people have said to me that we probably dwell on things too
much, so I'm going to move on, but I do want to mention this and clarify it.
Tommy says, let's see, he goes on to say, also, two to three years ago, it was common
knowledge that not all search engines had 100% of the web covered.
How can they?
It's so big.
I can understand what you were saying about attracting the most people by having the most
pages indexed.
However, GeoCity's main goal is getting hits for ads, so that doesn't make sense for me.
All right.
Now, I just took that one part out of his email, like I said, but I want to talk about
this again, because I think some people were confused or jumped to some conclusions, so
I just want to clarify this.
Exactly what I'm saying is a scary possibility.
Yeah, it's silly to think that any site's going to cover 100% of the web, 100% of the pages
out there.
It's impossible.
It's logically impossible, realistically impossible.
It's just impossible.
It's ridiculous.
So, I don't think anybody's ever said that or made that point or insinuated such a thing.
I think it's the goal.
I think your goal is to come as close to 100% as possible from a business standpoint, a marketing
standpoint, to be able to say that you've got the most of the web covered or you've got
the highest percentage or the largest number of pages, that's absolutely what you want
to do.
That is your goal to become 100%.
Are you ever going to get there?
No.
But that is definitely what you shoot for, and I think Google has never made any secret
about that.
That is what they've done.
That's why they brag about how many pages that they have in their database.
That's why they took off and became the success they are, because people know that Google
is the one place you can go to find everything or damn near everything.
I know that for a fact.
I mean, that's absolutely their marketing strategy from day one.
The more pages that they crawl, the more reliable they become.
I mean, that makes logical sense, right?
You understand?
That makes...
Well, it makes logical sense.
I don't know how else to say it.
That you can follow.
Do you think Yahoo somewhat censors or hides anything on purpose?
Yes and no.
I think they all hide some things on purpose, especially now with Google hacking taken off
as much as it has.
You can definitely see the...
If you go looking for certain topics, and I'm not going to touch that line.
I'm not going to cross that line to say what they are, but there are certain topics that
if you go Googling for, you will not find many, if any, hits at all.
There are certain things that are, well, I think people know what I'm saying.
There are certain things that are downright illegal in the United States of America, no
in any way, shape, or form.
Yeah.
Okay?
Especially if you go searching through Google Images, for example.
So I know for a fact that they do filter some things out.
So do I think that they're...
And this is, I think, where the misunderstanding was of what I said before.
Do I think that they're filtering anything out for competition reasons or to eliminate
or prevent, to somehow give them an edge over the other businesses?
Well, I'm saying maybe.
I'm saying maybe.
And that's really what I'm trying to talk about here is, let's say, okay, we agree that
the more pages they have, the more reliable they are, and that's what people want.
A one spot where they can get everything, where they can always go to and search.
They don't want to have to say, okay, well, Google didn't have it, let me go try Yahoo search.
Oh, Yahoo doesn't have it, let me go try MSN.
MSN doesn't have it, let me go try blah, blah, and jump around trying to find what they want.
If you can have that one page that has everything, then you are going to draw the customers,
the people, to you.
Period.
So forget any conspiracy theory and stuff like that.
Now, let's say, what if some sites, any site at all, okay, and the example I was using
was Yahoo, and I'm going to stick with that.
Let's say any site, including Yahoo, was to begin blocking the Google bot from crawling
their pages.
Now, I'm not saying that they have.
I think we've established that they're not exactly doing that.
They're blocking out the blurbs.
They may be stifling it.
They may not be doing it the smartest way to get their results higher on Google.
I don't know what the intent is.
Is it accidental?
Is it a stupid move on their part?
I'm just saying it's a potentially dangerous and scary move, and let me explain why.
If Google, let's go with that example.
Let's say Yahoo is intentionally blocking the Google bot from crawling their pages.
Just go with that.
If Google doesn't get those pages and their results, you have, okay, Yahoo owns GeoCities.
GeoCities is a part of Yahoo.
They bought it, and there's a lot of GeoCities pages out there.
You have to think like an evil business person here and think, and this is one of my big
problems with Sony, where they tried everything proprietary, and I'm not going to get into
a Sony rant, but you've got to think like that evil business person, the board of directors
thing.
You think to yourself, we've got GeoCities with all of those pages.
Sure, we can let Google have them and generate hits over to us to get the advertising.
Well, that's great for GeoCities, the one tiny subdivision of Yahoo, but you know what's
bigger for Yahoo?
Yahoo, the search engine, the portal.
If you eliminate Google from being able to pick up all of your GeoCities pages, people
are going to have to come to the Yahoo search engine to find those results.
So you're forcing people, yes, you may not get the hits from Google, but you may be forcing
people to come to Yahoo's main site, and therefore see the Yahoo advertising, increase the overall
hit count for Yahoo sites, because people aren't finding their results on Google.
Now again, I'm not saying that they're doing that.
I think we've talked to that and beaten that to death, and we're not going to go into it.
It doesn't look like they're doing that now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't
start.
And let me give you another example, for example, and it's not necessarily Yahoo, I'm not singling
them out or saying that they're somehow evil or that they're blocking their sites again.
Anybody could do it.
Let's say, let's use MSN for an example.
Let's say that Microsoft Support, I mean, let's be honest, a lot of people, you have to
look up things on Microsoft Support, support.microsoft.com.
What if Microsoft Support pages started excluding Googlebot?
What if they started blocking it?
Now, GeoCities, you could say, yeah, who wants to see a GeoCities page anyway?
I mean, it's GeoCities, right?
What, I need a bunch of dancing animated gif gnomes singing around in stupid GeoCities
pages like that?
But what if something a little bit more popular, like Microsoft's support section, what if they
were not picked up by Google?
What if they blocked the Googlebot from picking them up in the Google search engine?
People need and are going to have to go to Microsoft Support.
It's a fact.
It's a nature.
We know they own the desktop market.
We know they are huge in the server market.
We know how many people have it.
That's a well-established, the market penetration.
There are people that have to go to that site.
And guess what?
If they block Yahoo from getting them, and they block Google from getting them, where
are you going to go to find the results that you need?
You're going to go to a Microsoft search product.
You're going to go to the new search.msn.com.
Yeah.
So, yes, you know, is that explained it better?
It's not so much that, sure, you're not going to get hits from Google anymore, but if you
have a site powerful enough, and GeoCities, no, I don't think GeoCities is, the Microsoft
support site, I think that's a scary possibility.
And, again, I'm not saying they're doing it, so don't email me with that.
People misunderstood that completely.
But what if they did?
What if Microsoft said we could only get those results on the Microsoft search engine?
You'd be foolish to say that people aren't going to start using the Microsoft search
engine to find that stuff.
And you know how comfortable people get.
They'll find it, they'll bookmark it, and they'll just start using Microsoft search
engine in general.
And the Microsoft ads that they sell, Overture and all that kind of stuff, all those ads
are going to draw people.
And you're going to steal links away from Google or any other site.
So that's the potential scary part that I'm talking about.
That was the only point I ever made in this, was that the engine that gets the closest to
100% and becoming the most comprehensive source for searching, that's the one that will win.
That's absolutely it.
And that's terrible that the possibility exists that they're going to start fragmenting the
data.
And I even wrote this in my, to pimp my article, my Robots and Spiders article for 2600 magazine
a while back.
I predicted in that article, I said someday the search engine wars are going to get so
competitive that the robots.txt exclusion is optional.
There's nothing that forces anybody to honor that.
You're putting it out there and they automate it to be respectful as part of the standard,
its optional standard.
It's going to become so competitive at one point that if somebody does try these tactics,
one of them is finally going to break down and say, you know what?
I'm ignoring your robots.txt file.
There's going to be a search engine war.
I swear to you, I know that sounds like some weird sci-fi thing, a search engine war.
Dun, dun, dun.
There will be a search engine war sometime soon, in the next year, next two years.
That's a good movie right there.
Yeah, we should make that documentary, the search engine wars.
It's like the old, what's the old saying, the old thing about the one who dies with the
most toys wins?
It's exactly what it is in the search engine market.
The one with the most results wins.
That's the bottom line.
And if it starts getting fragmented, now the person earlier, who was at Whitefly?
Whitefly, who mentioned that there are other sites like Dogpile.
I still like Clusty, the clustering search engine.
There are other sites out there that search all of the search engines, ironically,
and gather the results together, but they're going to start blocking them out.
There's technical ways to eliminate people from doing that, so it's going to get really
messy.
I don't know who's going to take the first shot, but the first person that says, you know
what, we're not honoring the robots.txt anymore, as soon as the first one falls, watch them
go like dominoes.
Watch it.
I hope that clarified.
I hope that clarified for everybody.
I'm not saying that Yahoo is doing it.
I'm not saying that MSN is doing it, or any of them yet.
I'm just saying that if they do, and when they do, it's going to be a bad thing for the
interweb.
That's all I'm saying.
All right, let me catch my breath for a minute.
Can you do another email for me?
The war is going to start.
We need some, like, gunfire in the background.
We need, like, something out of Terminator movie or something.
Yahoo versus MSN.
All right, email from Nugget.
Okay, I was listening to episode 25 and heard that someone wanted to do some BinRev.
When I said 25, I meant 85.
I was listening to episode 85 and heard that someone wanted to do or buy some BinRev swog,
and I don't know if anyone else knows, but most likely do, but most, www.cafexpress.com,
and it takes part out of whatever item for you and can make a profit, small, large, in
between.
So people like myself and other listeners could get some sweet BinRev stuff.
Sweet.
Have some people make some cool graphics to plaster on them, like the revolution is coming,
which side are you on, forgive my spelling.
Okay, that wasn't me.
I still get great grades in school, and I will love, and I will be going to college this fall,
major in CS, hope to learn lots at University of Toledo.
Anyway, anyone who comes there, contact me.
All right, well, CS major, very cool, University of Toledo.
I don't know much about University of Toledo, but I've said before, college is, you're going
to learn a lot of cool stuff no matter what.
You're going to learn fundamental things, and from there, if you're a hacker, you've
got that hacker mindset, you're going to take it to the next level anyway.
Just get those fundamentals, so that's very cool to hear that.
And if anybody does go there and wants to contact Nugget here, you can email it to us,
and we will pass it on and maybe get you guys in touch, guys and gals.
And let's see, Cafe Press.
Do you have any, do you know anything about Cafe Press?
I've read a little.
Back when Default was the number one radio show on the internet.
The interweb?
We were trying to, what?
The global interweb, you mean?
Yeah, the number one rated hit show on the global interweb.
We were looking for places to make default t-shirts, default rated t-shirts.
And I know that Cafe Press was like the worst one because they were expensive and they
didn't have black t-shirts.
They only had white t-shirts.
Really?
I didn't know.
They only have, they don't have black?
As far as, when we were there back in 2004, early 2004, I remember that they only had
white t-shirts.
Wow.
That sucks.
Yeah, I just.
Maybe they do now, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't, I looked into it a while back to, I don't know if it was as far back
as 2004.
That's a long, long, long time ago, you know.
Long time ago, like way back in the day.
Way back in the day.
2004.
Was the interweb around back then?
Oh yeah.
Oh, okay.
Whew, man.
I did look into it a little bit and one, I don't like buying anything sight unseen.
So I don't know what their quality or anything like that was from Cafe Press.
And second of all, and more importantly, everything I saw on there was expensive.
The cheapest, cheapest stuff I saw on there was maybe $12.99 on sale or something, and then
you've got to add four or five bucks.
So I think it's four bucks shipping for one shirt, if I remember correctly.
But like most of them are 15 bucks plus four for shipping, and I've seen some of them that
are $19.99, you know, $25 for a t-shirt?
No.
Not happening.
And I get a lot of other good stuff for 25 bucks.
Screw that.
So, because of those two things, I never bothered to try them.
A lot of people have suggested them.
I even had people suggest, apparently, I didn't know this, but apparently they have, well,
I know it now after some people emailed me, they have a printing house too, and people
were suggesting I should send the magazine there to be printed.
So, it pretty much was the same mindset.
I want to have it, I want to be able to control the quality.
I want the magazine to look a certain way, et cetera, et cetera.
So, never tried Cafe Press.
However, I do want to try to get you some fine, sweet, just kick-ass swag.
And, I did that.
I had t-shirts printed up and took them to Interzone.
And, the ones that we have left, I have here, and we'll put them up on the website very soon.
When I get time, like everything else.
Hopefully, this weekend, I'll sit down and put them up.
Let's see.
Let's jump through some email a little bit quicker here, because I do have a really fun main topic tonight.
We're going to play along at home with a topic.
Actually, this is the topic I presented at the Interzone conference.
So, get ready, everybody in IRC.
Get your Google pages up.
Get your browsers ready.
We're going to do some fun stuff in a few minutes.
But, first, let's burn through a couple more emails.
Let's see.
This one comes from Anonymous.
Actually, this is the same Anonymous listener, Doug, if you remember that.
Just email us.
This is about the whole, excuse me, the whole, what do you call it, Paris Hilton thing?
And the, what do you call it, the, what was that thing, sidekick?
Her sidekick getting hacked and everything.
Let's see.
The mobile sidekick, right.
All right.
So, he had sent in claiming that it was this guy, Ethics, and his real name, and had proof of it, and all that kind of stuff.
And, I don't know the story, because there's been several different versions of this story.
And, well, let me read the email, and then we'll talk about that exact point right there.
This anonymous person says, in response to the ignorant puss that thought he'd disproved my last email,
stating that I was simply trying to, quote, make a name for myself,
which is indeed not the case, giving the anonymous handle.
Good point.
He claimed that Nicholas Jacobson was, in fact, the T-Mobile hacker, as stated in the Security Focus article,
securityfocus.com slash news slash 10271.
Apparently, though, the reader did not read past the first paragraph, for if he had,
he would have noticed that his handle, Ethics, was mentioned ten times,
and threw the reader's exhaustive research to disprove my mail.
At no time did he ever come across the handle, Ethics,
and Nicholas Jacobson mentioned anywhere on the same page.
A visit to the Security Focus article or a search on Google will prove otherwise.
And, furthermore,
Ethics,
see, there's a long URL.
I'm going to have to put this in the show notes,
because I'm not reading all this on the air.
Furthermore, there's a website that outlines how he was linked to the alleged crime,
and, towards the end, outlines some of the technical details proving that government-ran proxies,
or honeypots, do, in fact, exist and are used frequently.
And I'm glad he said that.
That's something we've said on the show many times.
Be careful out there.
Anyway,
Forgive my hastily written email.
The original intent of my last email was to correct some misperceptions,
but in doing so, even more misperceptions occurred due to ignorance.
Now, again, I've heard several different stories from different people,
and, yes, I took a look at that Security Focus article,
and I just don't know which ones to hold as true.
I mean, no offense to Security Focus,
for the most part.
I can't say that I've ever claimed them to be inaccurate,
but I never believe any one single source.
And since I haven't had a whole lot of cooperation from other people,
in fact, I've had the opposite, mixed stories from different people,
I don't know what's true.
I don't know what the truth of who hacked who and how.
Do you have any insight, or do you have any?
The only thing I can say is that if the guy was smart enough
that did pull all this stuff, he would keep his name anonymous.
He wouldn't say who he was.
He would just do it and not even mention about it.
He wouldn't tell his friends and go around gloating around.
Well, and...
Have they busted someone for doing this?
I guess in...
I don't know if it was in their private IRC channel,
and then it spread from there,
or how that worked.
But this is something that actually ZeroDB and I have talked about
on many, many occasions.
And Doug makes the exact same point.
Sometimes, stafoo.
You just need to just stafoo.
Seriously.
Keep it to yourself.
Why do you even care who did it?
I mean, the funniest part is that her shit is on the internet.
But, you know, big shout-out to the guy that did that, you know.
But, I mean, you don't want to have your name out there
and just be like, yeah, I'm the one that did this, you know,
and then you get locked up the next day.
Yeah, it's just funny to me because it's her.
It would not have been as funny to me if it was just about anybody else.
You know?
If it was anybody else, it would have still been kind of funny,
but because it was her, it made it doubly funny
because she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, you know.
And, like herself and most celebrities, all celebrities are on default.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
I think Lucky said Paris Hilton is on default.
Paris Hilton is a noob.
Yep.
So, yeah, it's just funny.
And, no, because it was her getting owned doesn't make her dumb or anything.
She was already dumb.
I mean, let's be honest.
Come on.
That's true, too.
She's rich, but, you know, she's not, yeah, she's not the brightest bulb in the light.
Hey, she's got a great life, though, so, you know what, shout out to her.
Oh, I'd trade places with her.
She doesn't have to be.
I would rather be dumb and rich any day.
I mean, she doesn't have to be smart.
That's awesome.
Right.
That is a good point.
Actually, I would not.
I'd rather be smart and poor, but whatever.
Rich wouldn't hurt, you know.
It's not a bad life.
She gets to do anything she wants.
And not even think about it.
I mean, do you realize how, I couldn't even imagine, really, my imagination, I couldn't
even imagine what it's like to buy what you want, when you want, where you want, for whatever
reason.
Just, yeah, I'll take it.
And not even think of the consequences.
Yeah, here's my card.
Whatever.
I'll take it.
Yeah, I would want to be rich.
Not famous, but I would want to be rich.
Yeah, unfortunately, being rich forces fame.
I guess, in a way.
Yeah.
Oh, well.
Anyway, we're getting sidetracked again.
Let's see.
What else do we got here?
Email from It's Rainin'.
It's Raining.
Okay.
It's Rainin'.
No G.
Stank Dog.
Hey, man.
Just picked up the show on podcast.
Was researching podcasting and stumbled in FinRev.
Anywho, love.
What's with Anywho?
Why is everybody saying Anywho lately?
Anywho.
Love the show.
Very interesting and entertaining.
Got the Eps on the iPod and I'm catching up.
My one complaint is that it's not work safe.
I was listening the other day in my office and suddenly the F-bomb was dropped once or twice.
Only once or twice?
What the fuck episode was that?
No.
Holy fuck.
Yeah.
No, personally, I really don't care.
And if I was at home or in my car, I wouldn't second glance it.
Can you second glance with your ears?
No, I know what you mean.
But I love to listen to FinRev at work, but it can get me in some hot water sometimes.
I'm very against censorship and telling people what they should do or say in their own creations.
But is the language really that necessary?
Doesn't really add to the content or further any purpose.
That's all.
Keep it up, man.
You put on a great show.
I will continue to listen.
Just may not listen at work.
And he's got a little smiley.
So see, that's cool.
P.S.
When I download the MP3s, the episode name isn't in the actual ID tag.
It just says Binary Revolution Radio.
You may want to add the episode number.
I had the manual added in on mine, just FYI.
You know what?
You should do that, actually.
Yeah.
I just don't know.
Am I really going to go back through all of the episodes and add that in?
I mean, what I do is I put in the, there's a track.
There's a track number in the ID3 tag.
And I fill that out every time.
I mean, so maybe that, yeah, I will put that on the bottom of the list of things to do,
which means, yeah, it's right below offering up AugVorbis versions of the show.
So it's on the list.
That's what I used to do with Default and the Mind War.
I would always put Default as the artist, and then the title would be the episode number,
or in the case of the Mind War, it would be the actual date.
Yeah, there is a limit on the size, too, and I don't know if there's enough space to add those in.
But I think you can probably go to your MP3 player and have it display that.
I know it'll explain the name and title.
I don't know if you can have it display the track number field.
But it is in, excuse me, it is in the ID3 tag somewhere, so.
Because that's what I used to sort them on my hard drive when I'm looking for them.
As far as the not safe for work, yeah, we're not.
There's no gentle way to say it.
I do, I even get a lot of flack from people for censoring myself too much.
But I'm not going to hold back when I feel that there's a need to do it.
I have warnings on the website.
I realize you found us through a podcast, and the podcast sites, they're independent.
I can't force them or tell them, you know, to put up warnings or notes.
On our website, there's a warning that says exactly that, that there's foul language.
Yes, I do hold back somewhat.
I mean, if you saw some of the actual emails that I read and saw how much editing, not editing, but how much ad-libbing I do on the fly to try to avoid gratuitous use of them, you'd be pretty shocked.
But frankly, I disagree with the point that you said where it doesn't add anything.
I absolutely think it does add things on occasion.
That's why I try to edit it out in wasteful or gratuitous circumstances.
I don't want to just say fuck because I can say fuck.
Fuckity, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Now, that's gratuitous.
There's no point.
Actually, that was kind of funny, so there was a point.
I can't just, you know, just dropping it for no reason.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that point 100%.
But I try to keep it in if I feel that it's part of what I'm saying.
If I feel strongly about something and I feel that I can give it extra emphasis by dropping the F-bomb or some other word, I think it adds enthusiasm.
I think it adds emotion.
And I think it will show people how serious I am about a topic or how serious a topic is.
And I think that absolutely adds something to the content.
So, yes, gratuitously, I agree with you 100%.
And like I said, I get a lot of flack and feedback.
People tell me I'm censoring myself and how I shouldn't do this and that.
And you know what?
I try to limit it to only times when I do want to make a point.
So, yeah, I have to disagree with that.
I do have it for a point.
Sometimes, I've said before, sometimes the point simply is humor.
I do think there's room for humor.
I mean, the whole show is about having fun, which people always seem to forget.
So, if there's a joke or some way to make it say funny, make it more funny, you know, then I'll do it.
Fucking A, Doug?
Fucking shit.
You know, speaking of podcasting, man, there is some interesting shows on podcasts.
Oh, don't do it.
Like, yeah, don't, let's not, let's not go on that tangent.
I've heard things that are just really horrible.
Like, my five-year-old niece can do a better show than some of these people.
I agree.
We can make a whole show.
I have some, when I do radio, I have some funny clips that I just want to play to people.
Oh, that'd be hilarious.
That would be hilarious.
Maybe we'll put some stuff on that tangent.
The best of podcasting.
The worst, the worst of podcasting.
The worst, all right, there's one podcasting show where I think the guy just takes a dump.
That's his show.
He goes to the bathroom and he records it.
But that's entertaining.
That's funny.
I'm talking about things that are like, what the hell, like.
All right, and here's one that I hate, is this one with these, this couple that I guess
they have sex on the air, or they talk about sex on the air.
We talked about that a few weeks ago on the show.
That's, oh, please.
But I'm saying there are some shows that are just some, like, there's this one with this
chick with a microphone and she just thinks she's all that and her, like, her show's
five minutes long and the MP3 is like 300 megs.
Wow, man, see.
Yeah, you know what, we're going to do a, let's do a special episode one time and we're
going to play a bunch of clips and stuff from some of the other podcasts.
But see, the catch-22 of that, somebody will say the same thing about us.
So, I don't know.
We'll do that for fun one time.
We'll do that for fun.
Maybe we'll do, like, the stupid podcast line of the week or something like that.
I think that would be a funny podcast show to make fun of other podcast shows, like Mystery
Science Theater style.
Yeah, I was going to do that, actually, on my show.
I was going to have, like, the best podcast quote of the day.
Yeah, that would be funny, because I'm sure there's lots out there.
You'd have to do a lot of listening and research, though, to find that stuff.
All right, anyway, man, let's, gosh, okay, we're going to burn through here a little bit
quicker, but where was I here?
ID3 tag, yeah, I talked about that.
Safe from work.
Yeah, we're not going to be safe from work.
We're just not going to be safe from work.
There's no other way to say it.
I'm not going to water it down completely.
I'm going to drop it.
People get fired from work listening to this show.
They have, yes, absolutely.
Honestly, and you know what?
If it makes you feel any better, I listen to all of my stuff at work and headphones as
well.
I put headphones on because I know better.
I think you will find, and maybe I'm making an overgeneralization here, but I think that
you will find that the majority of internet radio is not safe for work.
Not just this show, but I think you'll find that just about all of the shows out there
are not safe for work.
So I've gotten used to it because I've been around for a while and know how it goes, so
I wear headphones when I listen to stuff at work.
But that's just me.
Are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Oh, what's that beeping I heard?
Are we being tapped?
No, someone kept trying to call me.
Oh.
Is it that noob lucky?
No, it's actually my dad.
Oh.
All right.
Let's see.
Next email comes from Rob F., who, let's see, he said a lot of other stuff, but I wanted
to mention this one part.
This is a follow-up to, I think it was OOB, Out of Bounds, OOB, last week or week before,
saying that the Microsoft anti-spyware deleted some of his MP3s.
And we were saying how that's not cool.
There's no virus in the MP3.
It shouldn't be deleting actual data files like that.
And Rob F. says, the Microsoft deleting MP3s concern, I believe, is simply a side effect
of a bad design and the removal of Kazaa, or intentional, but it's not actually scanning
the MP3s.
Rather, it deletes Kazaa and all of its sub-directories, including the MP3s.
That makes perfect logical sense.
That's probably what happened, that it deleted Kazaa as a peer-to-peer app.
And it shouldn't be doing that either, theoretically, but if it did and you okayed it, it probably
deleted the downloaded files directory or incoming or whatever it's called, including all the
files that are inside of it.
So that's just a bad, yeah, bad design, like he said.
And I never did get any email from anyone else saying that they had similar problems,
confirming that that happened to them as well.
So that makes perfect sense.
So, uh, he also had a lot of other good comments that I'm not going to talk about because we've
pretty much already addressed them today or in the past, but I will pass on his shouts
to Jessica J.
You go, girl!
I don't know where that came from.
A little Oprah took over for a minute.
Oprah needs to have an internet radio show.
Oprah should have a podcast.
That's a good idea.
That would be pretty leet.
I'll call her tomorrow about that.
Yeah, we'll have to make that happen.
I should have Oprah as a co-host one week.
That would be awesome.
It's the best show ever.
Maybe that's what we should do to make the show fun again, liven it up.
Maybe we should have fake celebrity co-hosts.
We'll get people who can do good impressions or something and have them on the show.
Alright, anyway, let's hurry up and bust through these last...
You're like pulling like a Howard Stern, I swear to God.
Oh, man.
I am the king of all internet media.
Fuck Howard Stern.
Hey, hey, that is already taken, okay?
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're just a media whore in general.
I'm not a media whore.
That's Lucky's job right there.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
I forgot.
Actually, Lucky's been slipping lately.
There's some other people.
We're taking the media whore mantle away from him.
Anyway, let's see.
Email from Freaky Hazard.
Hey there, I'm Freaky Hazard.
Nice to meet you.
And I live in Norway.
Hey.
How you doing?
Not many people over here are interested in stuff like this.
I've been interested in hacking and freaking for a while now, but just recently I came across the old school freak site, and I found a link to BinRev.
So I decided to listen to some of your shows, so I decided to listen to some of your shows, and it totally blew my mind.
It's so fun to get news and information from someone who has a similar view on the most common problems that we hackers face.
It's real fun when you get all fired up with your rants.
I do that sometimes.
This show opened a whole new world for me.
The BinRev magazine, the 2600 magazine, Hack TV, and other radio stations.
I just wanted to thank you for all the great stuff and keep up the superb work.
P.S.
I am so going to order all your issues of BinRev now.
Greetings from Freaky Hazard in Norway.
So thank you, big ups, big shout-outs to Norway.
Big up yourself.
And if you like Old School Freak, you should probably check out Pimp Pimp, the new RFA podcast, Radio Freak America podcast, available at OldSchoolFreak.com, re-releasing all the classic episodes of Radio Freak America, starting with episode one.
Classic memories of Dual Parallel.
Classic freaking goodness with Dual Parallel, Rax, Mary Chan, Condor, the whole group.
So go check that out if you have not already.
That's good stuff.
And it still holds up well.
And you know what?
That was a fun show.
And this so far has been a fun show, Doug.
Thank you for keeping me a little light this week as far as the content here.
Let me get this last email.
And then we are going to do – let me see how we are on time here.
We are going to do a main topic tonight that's a play-along that I think is also going to be fun.
But one last email here from – yikes.
How am I – let's see.
All right, we're going to take guesses on this.
And I'm going to say that this is –
Uh, Coroxus.
I'm going to say Coroxus.
Just to be – just to disagree?
Coroxus or Coroxus says.
It's Coroxus.
It's not just to disagree because I think it's Coroxus.
No, it's – you're doing it to disagree just because you – ugh, anyway.
Um, Cor – Cor – Cor – Coroxus.
Coroxus?
That sounds like a butthole disease or something.
Coroxus.
Maybe he likes a butthole disease.
I'm just saying.
Oh, man.
Cor – Coroxus.
Coroxus or Coroxus says.
Hi, Stank Dog.
You can't get butthole disease through email, can you?
Maybe I should –
I hope not.
I'm going to skip this one.
Hey, Stank Dog – or excuse me.
Hi, Stank Dog.
I found your show through iPodder, and I really, really like it.
I spent the last week in bed.
The flu hit me.
Uh-oh.
I'm just saying.
Butthole disease.
I'm just saying.
And listened to your show and tried to catch up, which isn't that easy because English
is just a second language for me.
So it takes me a little longer to get all the points you and your co-host talk about.
So far, your English is better than the majority of our native English-speaking emails are.
But anyway, here's a small question, which I have.
Is there somewhere – and I guess the answer is yes – a schedule of conventions and meetings
like the Hope and DEFCON?
I'm going to be in the States around June, and I would like to join one of those shows
or conventions, I think.
But I wasn't able to find one yet.
But you're really doing a good job, so please keep up the good work.
Thanks and greetings from good old Austria.
P.S.
Sorry for my imperfect English.
I'm working on that.
Like I said, your English is better than a lot.
That was pretty good.
Yeah, actually, that was pretty darn good there, Kuroksis.
As far as a site for conferences, honestly, I don't know of any.
I mean, that's a simple thing.
We had – I was excited about a feature that was in the Envision forums when we did the last upgrade
that added a calendaring feature, and we started off, we were adding all the shows.
I know Default Radio, BinRev, and I think InfoNomicon started adding theirs,
and then it just suddenly disappeared.
People forgot that there's a calendar built in there.
I used that when the malware came out.
I was like, holy crap, there's a calendar in here.
I forgot about it.
Yeah, and it's great for stuff like that, and it was working at the beginning,
and people just – I think they just don't realize it's there.
So this is your reminder that it is there.
But you know what I think I'm going to do is I think I'm going to throw up something
under the projects page, a little cheap calendar or just a little quick schedule
updated every couple months because it's not like you have to keep on top of it daily
or even weekly.
You know, you put in the conferences, they're announcing up to a year ahead of time,
so you go in every few months and maintain it.
I think that would be a simple, easy project to throw up somewhere.
So we might try to see if we can make that happen.
Unless, if somebody's already done it and it's already out there,
there's no point reinventing the wheel.
Just email us, radio at binrev.com, and let us know if something already exists.
And an easy URL.
Don't give us some long, drawn-out GeoCities thing.
All right, that's it for the email.
Let's jump into some show and tell quickly and then go into our main topic.
We're going to have another full show today, that's for sure.
I'll go ahead and do my show and tell because I was real short this week.
Obviously, we mentioned that I was at Inner Zone week before last,
so it kind of slowed a lot of things down.
I went to my DC 305, New Hack City.
I went to my DEFCON meeting this past Saturday, a couple days ago.
And other than that, I've been working and traveling
and actually working with Nick, testing some pages.
He has put together as further, more parts to the DDP Hack Radio program,
for lack of a better word, or system,
some pages to dynamically generate the schedule and the archives.
So we will put those up.
Hopefully, by the time you hear this, those will be up and working.
There will be PHP pages that are dynamically generated.
When we upload a show, it will automatically put the notes in there.
It will automatically put the link, download links, et cetera, et cetera.
And another surprise that I'm not going to announce on this show,
I'm going to wait until we get that up and working
and speak to a couple of the hosts, some of the show hosts,
and make sure everybody's aware that we have this available
and get them using it, and then announce that probably next week.
So we do have a dynamic schedule and a dynamic archive,
at least for BinRev Radio,
and a dynamic schedule for all of DDP Hack Radio.
So that's very cool.
Shouts to Nick for that.
He's amazing.
He can throw all together PHP codes so fast.
Yeah, he's good at PHP.
He's always helped out Default Radio, myself personally,
and any other project that I've worked on or Decoder's worked on.
He's always been good with PHP.
Yeah, he's really good with a lot of other things.
That guy's going to be making a six-figure income very, very soon.
Phenomenal, phenomenal guy.
All right, so that's it for me.
What have you been working on lately?
I know you went out of town.
First of all, let me formally, again,
thank you for taking over the show for two weeks.
I know we're joking and laughing around,
but sincerely, I did listen to the shows.
You did a great job on the shows,
and I know you had to take off out of town
to take care of some business and stuff afterwards,
so I haven't really had time to talk to you since then.
So I'm taking this time on the air.
Did you email me and be like,
what have you been up to?
I haven't talked to you since you got back.
And I was like, don't ever talk to me again.
Probably.
I don't know.
I figured you'd have me on Kill File anyway.
But no, you guys did a good show,
and I do appreciate it.
I've said that on the air publicly now,
so now go ahead and talk about your...
Yeah, big thanks to Lucky for helping me out on that one.
That helped a lot.
When we did that, both weeks,
we did that two hours before the show had to air.
Oh, great.
Because that was right when Lucky got off work.
Oh, man.
So how did you get it mixed in time
and uploaded to the servers?
Well, I had to make sure there was at least an hour
before we had to air it.
That way I could at least hear the whole show
to make sure if I had to edit out anything that I forgot.
Right.
But, yeah, it was perfect timing.
It's tough to do these shows.
People don't realize.
Binrev is a real hard show to do
because of the content, you know,
and come up with things.
Plus, we didn't get much email.
Usually email fills up the show a lot.
Yeah, it does, and it did this time, too.
So...
Yeah.
I don't know what that was all about.
It comes and goes, I guess.
But, anyway, I know you've been doing,
since you have been back,
I know you've been doing a lot of video editing,
something I should be doing,
but haven't had time lately.
Yeah, I actually...
White Sword did just release this on the forums.
I made him a little...
We were talking about this last night.
I made him an opening theme for his show,
and we were talking about changing the song every episode.
So if you check the forums,
you can see that it was posted.
And so far, pretty much,
Lucky has a new job,
and we're going to try to get together every night
and do some filming.
We're supposed to be doing some filming tonight,
actually, after the show.
He's on his way over here.
But I wanted to do some Doug TV filming.
And another thing I want to do
is once I get some...
I have a lot better equipment now,
but I want to give myself some better microphones,
you know, like a shotgun mic,
just like the real movie people have.
And I want to do a continuing TV series
for the Internet,
and that's going to require myself going...
Some friend of mine had the idea
of going down to high schools
and going down to drama classes
and start passing out flyers
of, you know, just independent actors
and trying to get something together.
Hmm.
Could be interesting.
Just for a...
Listen.
I've had this idea for a series
that actually had, like,
a real storyline for quite some time,
and with the kind of series it is,
I can do it with the equipment I have,
you know?
Yeah, and that's the great thing
with the onset of DV cams
and the affordability,
the prices dropping.
There are a lot of independent filmmakers
coming out now.
There really are,
and they're talented people
that you can't, you know,
not all of us can afford
to go to film school
and stuff like that, so...
With all the technology we have
with, you know,
Digital 8 and mini DV cameras
and Windows having, you know,
Premiere Pro
and all those fancy software and stuff,
you know,
if you've got good lighting
and you've got, you know,
good microphones and stuff
and tripod,
you're set to go, you know?
And if you're creative
and know what you're doing,
know how to hold the camera steady,
you know,
know what to do
and what angles to film,
then you can pretty much
make a movie, you know?
Just get a nice,
powerful computer
for the editing
and then you're set.
Yeah, and this is something
you and I have gone into
in depth
and something we agree
100% on
and that is taking advantage
of the internet
as the new medium
for entertainment
and news
and just the potential.
Yeah, I mean,
it's just...
That's why I want to do
this series.
I want to release
a new episode.
Once it's all done,
I want to release
a new episode
for download
every, you know,
two weeks or whatever
and being able to have,
you know,
maybe put it on a rent TV
if they're interested,
things like that.
Not to, you know,
I don't want it to go
for public access.
I'm not trying to get it
out on DVD.
I mean,
I might release a DVD
that people can,
you know,
donate for just...
The DVD,
the content will be free
but you just have to pay
for the actual disc,
you know?
Right, right, right, right.
It's just total free
entertainment,
you know,
what it's all about.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's the best kind.
People are doing it
for the love of it
and for the experience of it
and are going to make
the best stuff.
Just look,
when you become...
I'm going to advertise
right now
if anyone lives
in Southern California
and that thinks
they can actually
drop me an email
at dougtv.org
slash prawn.
Oh, no,
that's not the one
you were talking about?
Oh, okay, I'm sorry.
No, not that one.
Oh, okay,
that's just for you
and Lucky to do.
Okay, I see.
Are you making prawn, Doug?
No, I'm not making prawn.
Are you sure?
No, but someone's
calling me again.
Oh, good grief.
All right, well,
I guess that's it.
Let's go into the show
and let's get out
of the show
and tell and go
into the main topic,
I should say.
And this is going
to be a shortened version
of my presentation.
And Doug,
I think you're going
to find this
actually pretty funny.
I don't know
that you've seen this yet,
so this might be
the first time
you've heard this also.
But this is a summary,
a short version
of my presentation
from Interzone.
And this is going
to be a play along
at home.
And this is for the people
that are listening live
in IRC.
You're going to get
the first crack at this.
You're going to have
the most fun with this
because you're going
to be owning people
right away.
And those people
downloading on the podcast,
you can have fun too,
but you might already
have some sites owned
before you ever get
a hold of them
because of this.
To refresh everyone's memory,
my presentation
at Interzone 4
was on disposable
email vulnerabilities.
Now, again,
disposable email
is kind of a term
that I made up.
I've seen it used
elsewhere and kind of
caught on now,
which is fine.
Maybe somebody else
made it up
at the same time
I did, whatever.
But it refers to a site
that gives you
an email address
that's temporary.
And some of the most
famous, well-known ones
are Mailinator.com
or Dodget.com
D-O-D-G-E-I-T.com
And that's actually
probably the most
well-known one.
And what these sites do,
and actually,
technically,
if you want to get
right down to it,
you can use Gmail,
Hotmail,
any of these other
webmail accounts
the same way.
But the whole point is
instead of going
to a site and registering
with your real address
or subscribing to
a mailing list
and giving them
your real email address
because either A,
you don't want to be
spammed to death.
You don't want your
email address sold around
and then you get
passed from list to list
and all of a sudden
your inbox is full of spam.
And B,
for whatever reason,
you just want to
protect your privacy.
You don't want your
real email address
tied to whatever site.
If you're going to
register at the,
I don't know,
the Goatsy Forums
or something
and you don't want
people to know
that that's really you
at whatever email address,
you may want to use
one of these services.
Well,
there are just some
inherent problems
with these
and this is really
what my presentation
amounted to.
And I'm going to give you
a walkthrough right now
that everybody can do.
And Doug,
I don't know if you're
in front of a computer
right now,
but maybe you can go along
as I go through this.
Yeah,
I'm in front of a computer.
Okay,
so here's a super
shortened version
of this
because I know
that all of our listeners
are going to zero in
on this right away.
The problem with these sites
is that they're not
password protected.
And when I say
these sites,
I mean the email sites
themselves.
For example,
go to dodget.com
and you will see
that you're simply
presented with a form
to put in the email
address name
that you want to use.
So,
I wanted to use
stankdogtemp
for the email address.
I go register at a site,
sends me the information
and I verify it from there.
Well,
guess what?
If someone else knew
the name that I used,
they can access
that same email.
They'll get my confirmation email.
They can access
that same account.
Now,
that's not really
the biggest,
biggest concern
because to find that,
you'd have to get
either A,
lucky,
to find somebody
who just registered
and has a password email
sitting there
because you'll also note
that there's no delete button.
You can't delete a message
after you've gotten it.
So,
the only way
you'd really find that
is if you're very opportunistic.
If you happen to notice
somebody on your site
register with
one of these email addresses,
you realize
that you could go
right behind them,
get their confirmation
and the password
that was mailed to them
and own their account.
Well,
because these sites
have been around
for a while
and because people
are on default,
because people are stupid,
see,
this isn't even
on default
because there is
no default.
There's no password.
All you've got to do
is go to Google,
put in your search terms
for Google,
quotation marks,
at dodget.com,
end quotation marks,
and do a search
and you're going to get
tons of hits.
Narrow it down,
do a little bit
of Google hacking.
Add
plus sign profile,
which will find you
any pages
pages that have
the phrase
at dodget.com
and the word
profile on the page.
That will narrow
it down some more
or anything else
you can think of,
profile,
personal,
plus personal
information
or something like that.
Any phrase
you think you might
find something like that,
user list.
And go through
those hits
and I'm sure
people have already
jumped ahead of me
and see what the
problem with this is.
You see
that somebody
registered at a site
and do you see
one in front of you?
Don't read it out loud,
Doug.
We're not going to
condone this or anything.
I did this by creating
an account on sites
that I own.
Yeah, lucky 225.
No, go ahead.
I did this
and did screenshots
and I created
a vulnerable account
that was mine
on a box I own
for a proof of concept
in my presentation.
So we're not going
to read one on the air,
but Doug,
I'm sure you can find
where somebody
has registered
at a site
with a dodgeit.com
email address.
Yeah.
Here's the fundamental
problem.
These things are
highly susceptible
to a backdoor,
a classic traditional
definition of a
backdoor attack.
Registering at any
site these days,
any content management,
any forums,
one of the features
that they absolutely
have to offer
for logistical reasons
is I've lost
my password.
Resend it.
And I'm pausing
because I know
that everybody
just realized it.
All you have to do
is know that
somebody used it,
go click on the
I lost my password
link,
use the email
address,
bam,
email sent
to a public
email address
with no password
protection,
and you can own
any site
of anybody
that's used
a dodgeit.
Whether they've
changed their password
even after they got it,
it doesn't matter.
You say you've lost it,
they're going to
resend you a new one
anyway.
Anybody that's ever
used a dodgeit account,
a mailinator account,
or any other,
almost every other,
temporary disposable
email account
is owned
as of right now.
Anybody listening
to this right now,
you've probably already,
in the time that I've
been talking,
owned some people.
It's that quick
and that easy.
And what does that
mean?
You can go,
it depends,
the danger level
on this varies.
You could own
some schmuck
and all he did
was create an account
on Goatsy forums
or whatever
just so he could
access certain things.
Other people may have
full-fledged accounts.
What if some idiot
gave moderator powers
to somebody
that uses this?
Or admin authority
and you just
backdoored your way
and owned their account?
That's scary.
I better change
my Binrev email.
Actually,
Binrev has been
protected from this
for quite some time,
my friend.
And I blocked
these addresses
a long time ago
because I knew better.
However,
this was the motivation
for our latest project
which was also
officially announced
and it's on the front page
of Binrev.com
and StankDawg.com
and that is our site
called
willhackforfood.biz.
Now,
I've went over this
before briefly
and you can read
my article
on StankDog.com.
It's got the more
detailed version of it.
But basically,
we register sites
for the fun of it
and willhackforfood.biz
was one of them.
We just thought
it was a funny name
and we register
these sites
as sandboxes.
We install software
on them
and play around
with them
just to test
our own security
to try to hack
away at things.
Well,
when we came up
with this idea
for a disposable
email system
that was secure
while still offering
the same functionality,
we figured
that was the perfect
URL to use
so you can have
StankDog
at willhackforfood.biz.
The .biz makes it
extra funny
and we went with
.biz
because it was
$4.95 a year
to register
and we were being cheap.
We didn't actually expect
we'd ever use it
but we did.
So,
willhackforfood.biz
is another
disposable
email system.
However,
the long and short
of it is
it's much safer
because A,
it offers a password
which it's still
easy to register
and that's what
makes it different.
I said earlier
you could use
Google or
Gmail or Hotmail
or one of those.
The problem there
is that you have
to fill out
your life story
and send them
a photocopy
of your nutsack wrinkles
to identify you
personally on your account
so you have to
go through
all these steps.
Willhackforfood
is as simple
as the others.
It just makes you
put a password
and it makes you
choose how long
you want the account
to stay active.
On the others,
they stay active.
They only delete emails
like every 30 days,
every 90 days.
It depends on how
they're set up
on a case-by-case basis.
The account is not really,
there's not really an account.
They're automatically set up.
With Willhackforfood,
you go in and create
an account.
We force you to put
a password on it
and an expiration date.
And what that does
is A,
it password protects it,
period,
so nobody can get in
unless you put
a dumb password.
And if you do that,
you're on your own.
You deserve to get
owned anyway.
I like that idea
of temporary email accounts
because that way
you can just,
instead of giving out
your email address
to someone,
you know,
you just be like,
well,
send it to here
at test123.com.
Willhackforfood.biz.
Exactly,
exactly.
And then,
the other great thing
about it that I like
is by design,
we're forcing people
to never use it again.
If you use test123
and you set it to expire,
you can have it go
from eight hours
to as long as a week
is the maximum
that we're offering
right now.
And you're also able
to send and receive
and delete messages,
I should add that.
We use SquirrelMail
to power the thing.
We actually use SquirrelMail,
a full-functioning web client.
It's an open source.
It's a great product.
It did exactly
what we wanted.
There's no use of us
reinventing the wheel
or making it,
so we use that
to power the actual
webmail client.
So we use SquirrelMail
and you have
the full functionality.
There's a limit
on attachments.
You can't have
a whole lot of space,
but I think it's like
one or 200K
we have it set at right now.
So you can even send
and receive quick
little attachments.
However,
whenever you set
that expiration date,
all of these things
are stored in a database
and when your expiration
date comes,
it sets a flag
that says
this account is expired
and it forces you
to not come back.
You cannot log back
into that account
ever.
There is no possibility
of a backdoor.
By design,
there's no backdoor enabled.
You can't get back
into your own account.
And, you know,
I've heard some people say,
well, wait a minute,
what if I need to get back
into it?
What if I forget something?
You know what?
If you do,
you shouldn't have used
a disposable email account
in the first place.
If it's something
you want to get back to,
you should be using
a real email account,
even if it's another
temporary one,
another hotmail one
somewhere else
that you can get back to.
As long as you accept
that responsibility.
But for people
who want a one-time,
truly disposable email,
willhackforfood.biz
is your best friend
right now.
So I encourage anybody,
if you want such a thing,
go check it out.
It is up and running.
Everything's working fine.
There are a few little
features we're going
to add to it over time
and eventually
open source this.
The future of this
is that we'll make this
an open source package
that people can download
and install
on their own servers.
Because the thing is,
you can easily block
a site,
just like I easily
block Dodget
and Mailinator
and willhackforfood.biz,
I'm sorry to warn you,
from the forums,
you cannot register
using those addresses
because they're very
easy to block.
However,
if we release this
open source
and we make it
so that anybody
can set up these servers
on any URL
or any TLD
of their,
whatever they already have,
what this effectively does
is becomes a distributed,
temporary,
disposable email
account system.
You can't block
every TLD.
So,
this will
expand privacy
and spread it
across the
global interweb,
if you will.
So,
I think this is
a very cool site.
Again,
Nick84 and I
worked on this together,
designed it
from the ground up.
Like I said,
we are adding
some new features
as we go along.
There's some scalability
issues
that we're
fully aware of
that we're going
to have to address
at some point in time.
But for right now,
it logs
the username,
expiration date,
and that's about it.
We're adding
some logging features.
And I should also
warn people,
if you've got
bad intentions in mind,
I should warn you
that Apache logs
are still running
on this.
We're not,
we don't have access
to the email,
well I guess technically
we could get to the
file system
and go through emails.
But anyway,
at some point
we're going to add
some encryption offerings
in there
so that you can
protect stuff like that.
But,
the only thing
that we log
is standard Apache logs.
So,
if it turns out
that some spammer
gets a hold of this
or somebody does
something highly illegal
using this service
and the FBI
comes to my door
or the CIA
or whoever,
I'm going to give them
those logs
in a heartbeat.
So,
you want to do
something stupid,
that's all on you.
That's not what
this is for.
This is to offer
prevention for
avoidance of spam
first of all
while still maintaining
privacy and security.
That's what this is for
to use for
absolutely valid
reasons
and if you use it
for something
other than that,
don't hide behind me
and don't hide behind
Will Hack for Food.
So,
anyway,
I don't know,
most of that was
probably lost on people
because they're probably
out owning people
if you haven't
owned four or five
by now.
I mean,
it's so simple
and you can see
tons of people
out there
using these addresses
and using these accounts.
It's like shooting
fish in a barrel.
It really is.
Yeah.
So,
anyway,
I thought that was fun.
I hope
those of you
who are playing
along at home,
I hope you enjoyed that.
Doug,
let's close this up.
I think we're
running out of time.
By the time I edit
anything together,
I think we're
right at the full show.
I'm going to give
the site of the week,
I'm going to start
doing this every week
if I can,
a new site of the week.
This week's site of the week
is
whitesword.tk
and of course
regular listeners
and people in the forums
I'm certain know
Whitesword
and his urban
exploration show.
How many episodes
is he up to now?
Fifteen,
I believe.
Fifteen episodes.
So,
that's very cool
that he stuck with this.
He keeps doing it
because he enjoys it
and it's fun
and
I really felt
in a weird way,
if I sound corny here,
I was kind of proud
on an episode,
I think it was 14,
13, 14,
where he was sitting
in front of the camera
and talking
and he said something
that I've
been waiting for him
to say and understand
for the longest time.
He said,
for all of you out there
who do nothing
but bitch and complain
and tell me
that you don't like the show,
shut up
and make your own show then.
Thank you.
Thank you,
Whitesword.
Thank you for saying that
and I'm so glad
that you,
I hope you really understand
that
because I think
you might understand
me a little bit
better now
and why I've reacted
to you the way
I have in the past
sometimes.
So I'm glad
that you came
to that realization
and
you're right,
you're absolutely right.
I say to everybody,
go check out
Whitesword TV,
good show,
he's doing something
and if you're not,
piss off.
I should make a comment
too about my show.
My show is not
going to be
in DevX
or any AVI format,
I'm sticking to
Windows Media Video.
Because my show
is not a hacking show,
it's going to be
a show
that high school kids
are going to watch
properly.
Yeah,
your show is not,
you know that
the hacksawers all
want Linux
compatible codecs
and blah blah blah,
but you're not targeting.
Linux skill,
if they had actually
Linux skill,
they could play it
in Linux.
It's not that hard
to play WMVs in Linux.
Right,
right,
right.
I can do it.
Yeah,
and like you said,
that's not really
your target audience.
I mean,
you've got a lot of
friends in the hacking
scene and I know
you're in the hacking
and freaking scene
as well,
but that's not really,
the show is not
a hacking show.
I mean,
I think you've made
that abundantly clear.
The first episode
of the season
is going to start off
where it's going to say
Microsoft Windows
Media Presents.
Oh,
man.
Well,
I'm sure it'll be great.
Just remember that
when you're out there
making seven-figure salaries,
making big-time movies,
I want lifetime passes
to any movie you make.
All right.
All right?
I want you to commit to that.
I want lifetime passes
to all of your movies,
including The Prawn.
But,
I do want to say
one more time,
this is going to be
my shout,
my closing shout,
is that
if anyone recommends
any kind of way
to go around
and meet with
any kind of independent actors
in the area,
what you recommend.
I know public access
is one of the things.
Like I said,
drama schools
and high schools,
drama classes.
If anyone has
any recommendations
or any tips
or suggestions,
I'm really interested
and I'll read
any email about it.
Send it to me,
Doug at DougTV.org.
All right.
And for my shouts,
I'm going to give shouts
again to Phoenix2600 group.
Somebody mentioned them
earlier to Rax and Logic
and those guys there.
To DC305,
my local DEFCON,
Miami,
New Hack City,
and to QBiz,
who gave a cool presentation
this past week.
And to the person
who put in that search string
that says,
quote,
do you see this
search stank dog
in my logs?
Yeah,
I saw it.
Shouts to you.
I saw that.
I see everything.
And again,
happy birthday
to Epiphany.
Email us
at radio
at binrev.com
if you have
any comments,
feedback,
follow-ups,
et cetera,
et cetera.
Accept complaints.
You can shove those
right up your ass.
Our closing music tonight
is going to be
Woo Child
and it's called
Hotel,
a remix.
And Doug,
thank you again
for being on the show
this week.
Fun show
and I want to do
fun shows more often.
Not getting down
in these,
caught up in these
little insults
and these little
nasty emails.
I'm going to start
cutting the emails down
to just the good stuff.
I guess
that is going to do it.
Doug,
you're going to have to
take the show over again though
at some point in time.
I mean,
you did a good job.
People liked it
and what you know
liked you and Lucky
together.
So we're going to
pencil you in
somewhere in the future.
We won't tie you
down to a date
or anything.
But we've got to do it
before you get all famous
and Scorsese on us
and stuff.
We're going to tell
everybody that
we're going to see them
next week,
same hack time.
Same bad channel
or same hack channel.
Shut up,
noob.
Later.
Ladies and gentlemen,
you are listening to the sound
of Switch Beats.
Pals,
W-O-O
in this box.
Pals,
we're not throwbacks.
This is for the ladies.
We got room keys.
Woo!
Girl,
you want to come to my hotel?
Baby,
I will leave you my room key.
I'm feeling the way
you carry yourself, girl.
And I want to get with you
cause you's a cute.
So if you want to come
to my hotel,
all you've got to do
is holla at me.
Cause we're having
an after party.
Checking out six
in the morning.
In the morning.
Oh, noobie.
Checking out six
in the morning.
In the morning.
Yeah.
Listen.
You've been made it
to my room shaking
cause you nervous
knocking directly
on my door
like room service.
Who is it?
Walking in
looking exquisite.
It took me a minute
to peep her
and just when I finished
she let me know
she was in town
just for her visit.
Called my show
and wanted to know
how much was I lifting.
I didn't understand it first.
Her favorite position
was standing up.
Put my hand on her butt
and ask,
can I handle her?
What?
Please.
Who is no type of amateur?
South Coast.
Turn your body rain
to snow like it's Canada.
No lights or cameras
or actions on.
She from South Cackalaca
ass fatter than Norm.
Woo!
Girl, you wanna come
to my hotel?
Baby, I will leave you
my room key.
I'm feeling the way
you carry yourself, girl.
And I wanna get with you
cause you's a cutie.
So if you wanna come
to my hotel?
All you gotta do
is I'll let me.
We're having an apple party
checking out six
in the morning.
Morning, morning, morning, morning, morning, morning.
Checking out six
in the morning.
Morning, morning, morning, morning.
Like college girls back at the dorm.
She going wild.
I hold it down when I have to perform.
I'll show you how.
On the mic or back to the wall.
The golden child.
Throw it right when I answer the call.
You know my style.
I'm nasty on the roll
while other teams are such an L.
Only get live on the weekend
like SNL?
Nah, I stay booked
Monday through Sunday.
Keep that shit popping
from the stage to the runway.
In a race on a one-way
straight to the telly.
Can't take what you tell me.
Checking ID.
Can't get your Kelly.
No, but we can get it on
if you really grow.
And you make that string
disappear in the phone.
Girl, you wanna come
to my hotel?
Baby, I will leave you
my room key.
I'm feeling the way
you carry yourself, girl.
And I wanna get with you
cause you's a cutie.
So if you wanna come
to my hotel
all you gotta do
is hop on at me.
Cause we're having
an after party
checking out six
in the morning.
Morning.
Checking out six
in the morning.
Checking out six
in the morning.
If you coming, you coming.
We both wanna get into something.
You wanna be in this room?
I want all of your lips running.
I don't say something.
I'm up to the fist pumping
when I spit something.
Keep them hips coming
like our hips touching.
All right, all right.
If you wanna come with me.
Hey.
If I feel your fantasy.
Come on.
Baby, in my hotel suite.
Yeah.
And it's okay.
Okay.
If you wanna party
checking out six in the morning.
You just heard it.
Checking out six in the morning.
On Classic.
I'm a beast.
Ciao.