This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you
in a fag pose.
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six foe.
I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable.
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm
a hero.
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps.
You need some ISO?
Let me do my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle.
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between
Un and Jay-Z.
Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.
You feel that rattling in bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones?
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew.
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SIFs.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack.
NASDAQ, we're on.
Oh man, excuse me.
Oh, that's nasty stuff.
Oh Jesus Christ, put on some clothes.
Oh, wait a minute, what time is it?
Oh my gosh, it's show time?
Are we going?
Oh man.
Well, I'll tell you what, why don't you introduce everybody to the show and the date and everything
and let me get a big swig of this nice, ice cold two liter Dr. Pepper.
Real hackers don't drink Dr. Pepper.
Mm-mm.
Mm-mm-mm-mm.
Hello everybody and welcome to Bin Riv Radio number, what is it, 89?
I have no idea.
89.
Airing on March 29th, 2005.
I'm your host, Black Ratchet, and with me today is my co-host, Stank Dog.
Hey, hey.
How you doing, Stank Dog?
Hey-o!
No, I can get used to this, you know.
Yeah, it's fine.
Nice coffee chair, you know.
Hey, we're going to go with this.
We're going to stick, we're going to go with this the whole, we're going to keep going.
Just like this.
Oh God, I'm going to.
Did we mention that it was March 29th, 2005?
I think so.
Episode 89.
Oh, I was right on that.
Wait, what are you, no, no, no, Coke?
Real hackers drink Coke?
Come on.
Real hackers drink Coke, and if necessary, either going up to Mountain Dew or Jolt Cola,
they need extra caffeine.
Oh, can you be any more cliche than Jolt Cola?
Come on, Jolt Cola.
What is this, I mean?
All the sugar and twice the caffeine.
Yeah, right.
I thought actually, but.
I like Jolt Cola, it's really nice, you know, you can make a few good.
Well, of course, everybody knows that I'm a nice Southern-style sweet iced tea guy myself.
However, if I'm drinking soft drinks, which I don't do a lot, but if I've got to drink
soft drink, I've got to go with the Dr. Pepper.
I have an occasional Mountain Dew.
I have a nice mint juke.
A Mountain Dew Code Red is pretty good sometimes.
I tried the orange.
I've never tried that, to be honest with you.
The Code Red's good.
I tried the orange stuff, and that was nasty.
Actually, no, one of my friends from college is absolutely swore by the orange stuff, and
I just looked at him like he had eight heads.
Yeah, I.
Of course, I usually look at him like that, but.
Did he have eight heads?
No.
Okay.
The orange stuff, I tried it.
It was okay.
I mean, it was tolerable, but I just didn't care for it.
But I also tried this, I think they got a grape one out or something.
Hmm.
I, it was just, it might have been 7-Up.
No, no, what was that pitch black that they had or something?
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Who made that, that pitch black?
That was Mountain Dew.
That was god-awful.
Of course, we're probably going to get like, you know, 10 emails, like, a Miami Mux, like,
and after the show, they're saying, dude, that was Pepsi, what are you talking about?
Yeah, that's right, well, they'll correct me.
Actually, technically, you know, Pepsi makes Mountain Dew.
True, it's bottled by the same, yeah, it's all the same company.
Yeah, which is always good because, you know, when I.
That pitch black stuff, though, was just, like, I thought I was drinking rat poison.
It was, like, liquid poison.
Oh, man, wait a minute, you know what else?
We should be worried more about getting sued than we should about hate mail.
Why?
We can, we can, we can express our opinions of certain soft drinks.
Yeah, I guess that, yeah, these, all these opinions are, are just that, our opinions and
do not reflect.
Our personal opinions.
And Pepsi doesn't put, you know, uh, uh, rat poison in their, you know, uh, great pitch
black Mountain Dew.
Right, exactly, it just tastes that way.
Oh, but if Dr. Pepper wants to hook me up with a free lifetime subscription, or whatever
you call it, free lifetime supply, I'm all over that.
Yeah, never, never, never like Dr. Pepper.
That's, that's like, you know, that's strictly a straight south of the Basin Dixon line.
Oh, man, that's good stuff.
Uh, and, um, Big Red, that's another southern, southern drink.
I never cared for that one much, though.
Dude, they, they actually, there's a, there's a drink theme, Big Red?
Yeah.
What other big?
I don't even know there's a gum.
Huh.
Uh, yeah, there's the gum, but I guess there's a soft drink I never really thought about,
and they're not the same.
Is this, wait, is this a show about hacking, or is this a show about soft drinks?
Dude, soft drinks are integral to the hacking culture.
You know what, that is true.
That is true, I am, I am hereby declaring this appropriate conversation, however, I think
we should probably move on.
In rep, episode 89, the soft drink spectacular.
That'll be our main topic for the night, soft drinks.
Actually, you know what, the other kick that everybody's on these days with the Gleason
in the hacking community is because they want that caffeine rush and that energy and all
that is those energy drinks, and I've tried, yeah, I tried two of them.
I tried the one called, um, oh, what was that very first one that was real popular?
It's still real popular.
It comes in a little can.
It's Red Bull.
Red Bull.
That doesn't give you wings.
That gives you a third nipple on your asshole or something.
That's nasty stuff.
Well, I got to give props for Red Bull for doing the first cartoon boobies on TV.
They did?
Yeah, in one of their commercials featured cartoon boobies.
Nice.
I distinctly remember remarking to myself, all right, cartoon boobies, because soon there'll
be real boobies.
We have advanced as a civilization.
Yes, I am strictly, I am pro-boobs.
Well, who isn't?
No.
Don't have to censor me on all these people on these radio stations that play this episode.
And the other one that's popular called Balls, B-A-W-L-S.
I can't stand that stuff.
I can't drink any of those energy drinks.
Oddly, it's like a car accident.
I can't look away, but, you know, it just draws me into it.
I know it's horrible, but I really just want to try it.
Yeah, I mean, it's not that I, like I said, I tried them and I just couldn't, it didn't
do much for me.
Maybe because I'm like constantly full of energy anyway, and I'm bouncing off the walls anyway,
I don't really need any extra.
I've actually turned away from the soft drink type for my caffeine delivery system.
I've gone over to coffee.
Oh man, that's good radio right there.
Oh, coughed right into it that time.
That was a really good one.
If I was really talented, I'd fart into my phone right now.
Oh man.
Well, no one's ever accused you of being really talented.
Oh, ba-dum-bum-ching.
I have fans.
I don't know why they like me, but, you know, I was talking to, uh...
They're fake.
I send them all.
Yeah, I guess so.
Jeez.
Someone I am to get's like, yeah, I like you.
And I'm like, me?
Ah.
Alright.
I completely forget who it was, but, yeah, thank you.
Oh, yeah.
I know he listens to the radio show.
And, um, actually, I gotta say, since I have a little opportunity here to stand on the soapbox for a moment, I have been recording this show the same way since episode one.
Ghetto style.
Old school ghetto hacking.
Whatever it takes to get the job done.
And I get a lot of people email me, and I appreciate it.
Don't get me wrong.
I appreciate people's suggestions and inputs and stuff like this, but this is one thing I really don't foresee changing anytime soon, and that's the way that we do the show.
And you can go back and listen to episode, like, six or something, where we gave a rundown on how to do it.
And I know a lot of other shows use Skype.
I know a lot of other shows have sound boards and all these other things, and they sound great.
Don't get me wrong.
They also are great shows.
It's just not my style.
I've always liked the reality aspect of this.
We're doing this old school, seriously.
This is just not two turntables and a microphone, but two MCs and a microphone, I guess.
And I don't have anything fancy, and I understand people are saying, oh, you should go directly to your line in on your sound card, or you should use Skype, or you should tap directly into your VoIP line.
No.
I mean, I like this because I want people to know.
Clear my throat on the microphone.
I want people to know this is real.
This is in my house.
At any moment, my cat may go ape shit and go crawling across the room.
I don't know if anybody remembers that.
That was a funny story.
That actually happened on the air one time.
My cat decided to chew into one of the power cables to one of the computers under there, and all of a sudden I heard this, and the cat took off across the room and launched across and bumped the microphone and everything.
That's good radio.
That's reality.
That's old school, man.
Exactly.
And in supporting your old school endeavors, I am talking on a phone that was made in 1965.
You know what?
And it probably works infinitely better than any phone you could go buy off the shelf at Best Buy right now.
I love the audio fidelity on this phone.
Best lie.
This is my primary phone that sits right next to my computer.
For those of you playing at home, it's a Western Electric trim line, type A, made in October 1965.
And if I flip it over, it says Bell Assistant Property, not for sale.
But I did buy it from somebody.
Sweet.
All right, well, I guess...
I have a photo of it on my webpage, but, you know...
Yeah, yeah, you're going to have to put a picture of it up now, and we'll link to it from the show notes.
Let's actually get into our normal format here and quit bullshitting.
I'm also going back to using some foul language.
I'm going to still keep it somewhat in line, but you know what?
Fuck it.
Hey, Sank.
Yes, sir.
Fuck you.
Yeah, back at you, bitch.
Isn't that?
Asshole.
That's kind of funny, isn't it?
You know, if we ever get on the real radio, it's just going to be like this long beep all through the entire show.
Yeah, I know.
The people that take our show and rebroadcast it on FM, they do have to edit out the bad words, and, boy, some episodes are worse than others, yeah.
Some episodes are much, much worse than others.
But whatever.
All right, so let's see.
So let's go into our normal segment here.
We're going to open up and do some housekeeping stuff, because we do have some cool things to announce.
If anybody hasn't noticed already, we've made some changes to the radio pages, radio.binrev.com.
Nick84, well, of course Nick84 has been working on DDP Hack Radio all this time.
And one of the things that we've been doing is incorporating good podcasting feeds.
We have an XML feed that doubles as not only podcasting, but it also sends, carries the show notes and things like that.
You can actually use it as a basic XML feed and syndicate it to whatever site you want to.
So since we were already doing that, the next phase of that was to incorporate all that information, including the show notes, the hosts, et cetera, et cetera,
since we already did put those in the database, to use that information to start building a dynamic archive.
Because in the past, the archive has been done in HTML, and it would have to wait until I got home a couple nights of the week if I had time to sit down and update those pages.
And I even mentioned before that the fastest way to get it was through the podcast.
And then eventually, a couple days later, I would put it up for download on the HTML page when I got time to edit it.
But, well, not anymore.
From now on, it's going to hit the podcast at the same time it hits the archive.
I'm going to do it in one place.
All the data goes in the same spot.
The show notes might not be immediately available, obviously, since it was just released.
But we'll go back in and add those as soon as we can.
So it's cool that you will be able to get it all at the same time, no matter where you look at it.
That's a very cool step forward.
And related to that, we've also created, when I say we, of course, I mean Nick84, has also created a dynamic schedule.
So the schedule in the past has some shows will come and go, and some shows will leave the station, etc., etc., for whatever reason.
And it would take me the same thing.
It would take me whatever time for me to set aside to edit that schedule page to reflect any changes, new shows, removed shows, etc.
So now Nick has created a PHP dynamic schedule that will actually pull the database to see what is scheduled to play.
So only those shows that are created will show up on there.
So you can depend on that schedule a little bit better now.
So shouts to Nick84 for that.
Very good things.
And we've got a couple other things coming along along those same lines.
And DDP Hack Radio is very, very much coming together now.
It's gotten much more reliable.
We've added a lot of error checking.
We haven't had any problems like were reported in the past.
And we have checked with our other broadcasters.
So I'm beginning to think that if there ever was a problem, it seems to be fixed now.
So I haven't had any reports of any problems in quite some time.
So it's coming together very well.
And as soon as we add these last couple features in, it's probably open source time to really take this up to the next level.
It's almost like we know what you're doing.
Almost.
Not quite.
I don't want to fool any.
You can change pronouns halfway through that.
It's almost like you know what you're doing.
There we go.
It sounds better.
No, no, no.
I don't have a clue what I'm doing ever.
You're trying to give me a reputation of some kind there.
I've got to be the clueless radio guy.
You know I've got to keep that up.
Anyway, how about some e-mail?
You know I've got to be the clueless radio at the red dot com.
All right, e-mail number one this week.
I love that song.
Yeah, isn't it?
Kind of da-da-da.
Yeah, that's good stuff.
Our first e-mail this week comes from Kotrin, who was nice enough to give us a pronunciation key.
Yay, Kotrin!
Kotrin says,
Hey, I was just e-mailing to tell you, as so many others have, that I love the radio show and Hack TV.
Listening to your radio show has taken place of my music playlist that is usually playing on my computer 24-7.
Hack TV was great, and I'm waiting for episode two.
Through your site, I got linked to Rant TV, which is one of my favorite things to watch nowadays.
It's a battle between Binrev Radio and Rant TV for me.
I was e-mailing to ask when a new Binrev magazine would be coming out.
Been waiting for that one.
If you can e-mail and answer or reply via the radio show, whatever works.
Thanks for your time.
All right, Kotrin, thank you for the e-mail.
And actually, I put yours at the opening of the show today for a particular reason,
because I do have a little bit of news on the magazine.
Long, long, long overdue news.
I did touch base with Logan 5.
We've made some phone calls and bounced some e-mails back and forth.
And the current status is that he has laid out all of the articles that I sent him,
which is probably 60% of the magazine or thereabouts.
And I've sent him a couple more.
And if he gets those, when he gets those laid out, it'll probably be about 80% done.
So we'll have to do the cover and fill in a few other things.
So we are about 60% done now.
Just to give a ballpark estimate, what does that mean as far as how much longer?
It's still a month or two away at least.
So don't get your hopes too much up.
However, we will post on the front of Binrev.com, obviously, when the magazine is available.
And put it up as soon as possible.
And as soon as I get some printed as well.
I have to wait until I get them physically in my hands before we will put them up on the website.
And as far as Rant TV, I know you didn't mean this to say we're competing or anything,
but Binrev Radio and Rant TV, I mean, Binary Revolution Radio has been on Rant Radio from day one.
So it's definitely not a competition issue.
And Rant TV, of course, carries Hack TV among a bunch of other great shows.
We love the Rant Radio.
Yes, we very much have a good relationship with Rant Radio.
Rant Media, I guess, is the proper term.
We love Rant Media.
Rant between the radio and the TV.
And they have a zine that they put out over there.
So they're covering a lot of media themselves, kind of like us.
I didn't know they had a magazine.
Yes, well, they have an e-zine.
E-zine.
And actually, our very own Dual Parallel has been published in that e-zine.
Oh.
Yes.
I was not aware of that.
Yep.
Okay.
Letter number two.
We need to steal some David Letterman.
Letter number two.
Paul, letter number two.
Letter number two.
I'm going to take that clip out and use it in every show from now on.
How about that?
Sounds good to me.
Yeah.
All right.
Email number two this week comes from Plastek.
Plastek.
P-L-A-S-T-E-K.
Plastek.
Who says, I'm not sure when this show aired.
It was a replay at 824 Central Standard Time, AM Tuesday.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, it's kind of impossible to tell.
What are you doing up at that time?
Well, I guess, you know, you could be at school.
Yeah.
824 Central Standard.
Yeah, I guess.
Ah.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Or technically, he could be still awake from the night before.
Exactly.
That's really what I was thinking, probably.
I'm trying to translate that through time zones, and yeah.
That would be 924 ESG.
924 Eastern?
Oh, man.
That's four.
Or 224 Zulu.
I would probably be on my way to work about that time, or just getting into work.
I would be just waiting for the bus.
Public transportation sucks.
Hey, yeah.
Can you sleep in your car on the way to work?
I don't think so.
Well, I could.
It wouldn't be helpful for others.
It wouldn't be safe for other people, but...
Get on the bus at 830.
I don't think I see 835 until I sleep all the way into Boston.
How do you wake up to know when you're where you need to be?
Technically, they have to kick me off the bus, but I'm just really good like that.
Okay.
All right.
Well, let's see.
So Plastic goes on to say...
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was saying, I don't know which particular episode that was.
The way we've got the rotation set up now is it plays the last around 8 or 10 episodes.
I go through once in a while and trim off some of the older ones.
It plays the last 10 or so episodes, so I don't know exactly which one.
But let's see if we can figure it out.
I just wanted to comment on you trashing your telephone service and the comment you made.
I totally agree.
Bell South has a lot of complete morons working for them that handle public issues as well
as customer support.
I'm a switchman.
Yeah.
I mean, you'll be wrong.
They've got some good people, too.
Some that are very good friends of mine, however.
But the vast majority of them are, yeah, not real.
They put people in positions that they really shouldn't be in, especially with tech support,
customer support.
Let's see.
He says...
I assume it's a he.
I had dial-up with them temp a year or so ago.
Temp?
Okay.
Temporarily, I guess?
I guess.
Temporarily a year or so ago?
Yeah.
I had a lot of problems with the primary and secondary DNS servers.
Heh.
Did I just read that line?
Heh?
H-E-H.
Yeah.
I just read that out loud, didn't I?
Yeah.
That should have been the sentence I skipped over.
Well, technically, you could have said, I had lots of problems with the primary and
secondary DNS servers.
Hmm.
Okay.
When you call and ask for help, they tell me...
When you call, they tell me?
That's not proper.
When I call and ask for help, they tell me...
Quick, call Strom.
You don't...
Did I just hear an AOL bling in the background?
Yes, that was my cell phone.
Oh!
You, uh...
I'm scary.
Oh, no.
Put him...
Make him say something funny on the air.
Uh, let's see.
When I call and ask for help, they tell me, quote, you don't need to set up your DNS.
We do it for you.
I tried over and over to explain to them this was not so.
Finally, after losing my temper, I get, quote, senior tech.
And he told me my DNS is in AOL as well.
The problem was, if you are wondering, I was not on Windows.
And no matter how many times I tried to explain this to them, they kept trying to get me to
run the internet connection wizard.
You're not listening to me.
I use Red Hat Lennox.
There is no internet connection wizard.
Hey, I almost added a bad word there instead of taking them away.
Yeah.
Well, you said this was a swearing episode.
Yeah, I was.
And I'd just like to make the comment that, you know, the parents of senior tech, they must have
really hated him to name them that.
Yeah, I know.
That's...
You'd think, like, they'd shoot higher, like, doctor or heart surgeon.
But no, they went with...
Why don't you just name the kid Punch Me?
Yeah, senior tech.
I mean, jeez.
Talk about setting your sights high.
Jeez.
Anyway, actually, just wanted to say, enjoy the show.
Some better than others, but that's anywhere.
Enjoy Hack TV also.
Keep up the good fight.
Okay.
Plastech.
Thank you very much.
I'm raising my fist in, like, some type of hacker power movement type of...
Power to the people!
Isn't that true?
And you know what?
And he also made something else that I wish...
If people are going to diss the show or say something bad about the show, which he did
not exactly, but, I mean, he was honest.
That's an honest statement to me.
He enjoys the show, some better than others.
I feel the same way.
I like a lot of shows out there, some better than others.
There's nothing wrong with saying that.
I don't take any offense to that whatsoever.
This is probably not one of the better ones.
I guess that remains to be seen.
Let's see how we pull this out.
Unless we let you know, dude, I bet this will turn out to be, like, the best BinRev
episode ever where we just, like, start talking about soda.
I was going to say, we opened up spending, like, ten minutes talking about soda and energy
drinks and stuff, but, you know what?
Maybe people like us just being silly, being funny sometimes.
Hey, I need it once in a while, alright?
I'm stressed.
Give me a fucking break.
So, anyway, yeah, I...
First of all, the funny thing is it's hard enough just to get a senior technician on the
phone, because they're taught to, I mean, like, if you ever try, you can call and immediately
say, yeah, I want to talk to a senior technician.
They always, they're trained and taught to say, well, is there something I can help you
with first, sir?
Let me try to help you.
Maybe we should do this first.
They're trained to not let you do that easily.
They're trained to stall and try to solve the problem and not transmit up to the senior
tech.
So, just getting one on the line.
The theory tells us that his brothel copter is out of gas, unfortunately.
His what?
His brothel copter.
Okay.
R-O-F-L.
And Not Theory is absolutely our third co-host on the show tonight.
And he's about to pwn the Incredibles.
He means watch it with his girlfriend.
Is that still in theaters?
Oh, he's going to watch it at home on the DVD.
On DVD, man.
DVD.
Oh, I bought the Incredibles on DVD.
It's good stuff.
I need to buy it.
I buy an occasional DVD.
I don't care.
I have a good DVD collection.
And actually, the best thing on there, by the way, another tangent.
Boy, this is like the most non-tech show ever.
There's a short on there.
I forget the name of it.
Jack Jack Attack.
No, no, no.
That sucked.
That was...
Oh, the...
Oh, shoot.
The sheep dancing in the...
The one that tops off the show?
I don't remember that.
I think it was on the second disc with the sheep and the jackalope bouncing.
The jackalope.
Yeah, that was awesome.
Oh, if you watched it in the theaters, it preceded the actual feature.
Oh, I didn't see it in the theaters.
I don't actually own the DVD yet.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, that was on the second DVD.
And that was awesome.
That was so, so cool.
Apparently not cool enough for me to remember the name of it, but...
Oh, well.
You can find out easily.
Boundin'.
Yeah, that was good stuff.
That was really, really...
A different style of 3D animation.
It was very...
Puppety.
Is that a word?
Puppety?
I guess you could say that.
It was very puppety.
Puppet-like.
It was very puppety, but yet 3D animated.
It was pretty cool.
I liked it, and the music was awesome, too.
It was actually...
The song and the vocals were all done by the producer.
I believe.
Yeah, there's a...
On the DVD, of course, they have the director's commentary.
And they interview the guy, and he sat there, and he wrote the song himself.
And then they had, like, Riders in the Sky perform it, which is an incredible group,
if you don't know Riders in the Sky.
Wish I could actually use some of their music to close out once in a while, but...
Copyright police.
I'm afraid of them.
Anyway.
Let's see.
Where was I here?
Oh, yeah.
Getting a senior technician.
It's like, it's impossible to even get one on the line, but then when you do get them,
they can't even solve your problem.
They don't even know what you're talking about.
That's so frustrating that you ask for their senior people, and their senior people aren't
any better.
All that means is they were probably there, you know, they were able to stay six months
without quitting.
So that's all they have to do to become a senior.
I actually, I spent about three minutes doing a search on Bell South.
I wanted to see what the job description of a senior tech was, but I didn't have time
to find it.
Somebody can go out there and find the definition.
Let's see what the job requirements are.
Let's be able to choose them.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, actually, this might be a funny bit.
We should plan this and do this ahead of time.
Let's find out what the job description is, and then maybe on the telephonic craptacular
we'll call Bell South, get to the senior technician, and quiz them.
And let's put...
We should call the senior tech for the last part of the show.
And let them play along from home.
Ooh, we could do that.
Hmm.
Now, we'll save that for the craptacular.
We'll save that for a telephonic craptacular.
Oh, so anyway, now that we're talking about tech support, I'd just like to toss in my
two cents here and go off for a moment about Speakeasy.net tech support.
Oh, yay.
Speakeasy.net is the shiznet.
Yeah?
Their tech support is the only clueless tech support I have ever run into.
Hmm.
I've suffered more than a couple of problems with them, mostly related to Verizon and
COBAD, not wanting to play nice with each other.
And every time that I called them, they were extremely helpful, and dear God, they believed
me when I said, well, you know, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm doing the other
thing, and I'm getting that.
And they believed me when I told them that I actually ran all these commands and got these
results.
And was it...
But was it the same person each time, or did you find them all to be?
So you had good experience?
It was not the same person, which, you know, I really don't mind, because they kept insane
call logs.
They knew exactly who I was and what I was causing problems with, what problems was happening
with my system.
Very cool.
So they actually had competent people, huh?
Hmm.
All right.
Well, you know what?
Shouts to that.
Thumbs up for that.
Yeah.
I was very proud of one of them.
One of them said, you know, I really don't know your answer to your problem right now.
I need to go around.
Can I call you back?
Hmm.
And, you know, judging from that, I gladly said, sure, no problem.
Well, at that point, you had had some good experiences.
Me, I don't like to hang up with any tech support, because I'll never hear back from
them again.
Well, honestly, you know, I was normally with that, but, you know, technically, they earned
respect in my book.
So when they, you know, we did sit on, we sat on the phone for about a half hour, and
we tried various things, and when he finally said that, I actually believed him enough.
And sure enough, he called me back about 15, 20 minutes later.
Yeah, that's very rare.
Definitely kudos to them, because that is something that's very, very rare.
Yeah, and I, like, a couple of my friends have used them, and they all come back with
the same stories.
But you know what?
Just, that's a great story, and I'm glad that worked out, but just for all the people
out there listening, general advice, don't let them off the phone.
Indeed.
Ever.
If you get tech support on the phone, and they try to tell you they want to call you
back, or try that and call us back, no, no, no, no, no.
Make them wait on the phone with you.
Do not let them go, because if you do, you're going to start all over again.
Like I said before, it's hard to even get to a level two technician, or level three, or
whatever, senior.
You're going to have to go back through all of that crap again with some new person,
who's going to make you do the same thing.
Is your computer plugged in?
Is your monitor turned on?
Do you have, you know, don't let them off the phone.
It's a DVD key.
Yeah.
Okay, let's see here.
Okay, next email is from DevMonkey, who says,
Hey, Stank, I just listened to episode 88.
That would be last week.
I'm glad someone has had the balls to deal with those rude people who say they don't
like your show.
Well, speaking of the devil, I understand people...
There's people that don't like this show.
No, really?
No.
Backheads and Nazis, kill them.
How could anybody not like good old lovable stank dog?
That's what I always wanted to know.
He's just a cuddly, furry little guy.
You want to take him home and...
With a little odor problem.
Let him reconfigure your computer.
Exactly.
Oh, that'll be my new slogan.
I understand people who may want to give constructive criticism, and I'm totally open to that, and
thank people for it, and I am too.
I agree with that.
But when it comes to people who just, for no reason, tell you they don't like something
you make and like something similar better, that's insulting.
If you don't like something, keep it to yourself or don't be so damn rude about it.
That's my quick little rant stank.
Thanks for an awesome show.
Keep up the good work, and don't let those rude people get you down.
Well, thank you, DevMonkey.
And yeah, I kind of turned the corner on that.
Had a little frustrating time there where it seemed like all of the emails I got had that
nasty tone to them.
And there's a little bit of irony in there that, A, you were motivated enough to write
in and comment on the show, yet at the same time tell me how much you hate me or the
show or the topic or whatever.
So it's kind of a catch-22 there.
It's kind of hypocritical that you even would send messages like that to me.
But whatever.
As long as I know and I found out now that there are people who support the show, and
I'm glad to hear that.
We're going to keep going with it.
But funny you should mention those rude people because our last email this episode is from
System Shocker, who we've gotten email from in the past.
System Shocker says, Stank, you suck like a million times.
P.S., you are F-A-T, a fat fucking dog.
Fuck you, Metallica rules.
Fuck you, suck like a million times.
Okay, I don't understand that part because he has F-A-T with like periods after it, but
it's like an acronym, but he never explains it what it is.
I don't know, maybe he thought spelling it out would make it more, I don't know.
You know what, you know what I'm going to, actually, you know what, let me do this.
Hold on, I'm going to channel, I'm going to channel the aura of System Shocker.
Hold on, I'm going to read this as, I'm going to do, I'm going to do my impression of System
Shocker.
Let me get into the, let me get into the mindset.
He's got, this is a Metallica rock and roll.
Okay, I got to, hold on, let me, let me get this, this 15, 16 year old rock and roll.
Okay, hold on, I think I'm there.
I think, all right, let me, let me try to start again.
Let me read this as System Shocker.
Here we go, you ready?
Stank!
I've been ready for this all my life.
Don't make me laugh, I'm going to mess up.
Stank, you suck like a million times.
P.S., you are F-A-T, a fat fucking dog.
Fuck you, Metallica rules.
Fuck you, suck my dick.
If you ever touch a guitar or you fuck around with a drum set, you'll realize that it's
fucking hard to create real music.
A rock band creates real music, music that isn't a touch of a button, like your email
theme song.
So fuck you, Metallica rules, and you suck, you big fat dog.
How was that?
My God, System Shocker.
Sincerely, System Shocker.
Yeah, that, um, thank you very much for that email, System Shocker.
Your, your vocabulary and elegant way of speaking just really, really impresses me each and every
time I get an email from you.
So thank you very much for sending that to us.
Um, oh, and yeah, and Metallica can lick my ass crack.
Okay, so let's...
I don't think they will.
No, they, they, yeah, I, I don't think I'd let them.
I don't think...
They aren't, they aren't, they aren't, they aren't, they aren't, they're ass crack looking.
No, no, no, I don't think they...
I mean, they aren't Backstreet Boys or...
They can, they can lick my ass, that's what I'll say.
Ah, okay.
Not that I want them to or I would let them, but they, they can lick my ass crack.
I happen to like Metallica.
No, no, no, no.
Well, see, here's the thing, I used to...
They've been able to do BlackRatchet at BlackRatchet.org.
I, I, I, I, I, did you say that orge?
Yeah.
No, no, no.
That's how you pronounce it, you're supposed to pronounce it.
It's not dot orge, it's not supposed to be...
What is, haven't we had this argument on the air before?
What is dot, what is dot o-r-g stand for?
What is that short for?
Orgy.
An organization, if it was orgy, then you'd be correct in pronouncing it at orge.
Dude, that's why I got it, man, because I just want more orgies on my site.
My site is an orgy of phone freak related information in Boston.
But if it was going to be short for dot orgy, I mean, we already have four letter TLDs, you've got dot info and stuff, you would have dot orgy.
You wouldn't need to abbreviate it.
Well, it's just the ITF hasn't, you know, approved my application yet.
Hmm?
The Internet Engineering Tax Force, they haven't approved my application for the expanding of, you know, dot orge to dot orgy.
Yeah, I've got to send something in about the dot C zero M also for dot com.
I'm going to start that all over again.
Well, I'm still waiting for my applications on dot dot and dot dog.
Dot dog?
D-A-W-G?
It was a Christmas present, man.
Dot D-A-W-G?
Yes.
Stank dot dog?
Exactly.
That would own.
Actually, in all seriousness, there is a top level domain called dot int, I-N-T.
And, like, you know, I think it's like UN dot int and NATO dot int.
Like, it stands for International Treaty Organization and such.
And I, technically, you can't register it.
It's like dot edu.
You can't register it unless you're a real organization.
But my dream is to actually, someday, hold unsigned dot int.
Unsigned dot int.
Or short dot int.
Yeah.
Long dot int.
That would be a pretty geeky URL.
I've got to say, that's a good TLD to have.
That's almost as cool as, like, you know, screw dot int.
Hmm.
Well, there's a joke there I'm not going to take either.
Anyway.
Well, then, technically, you could also have, like, more colorful metaphors for your, you know, actual domain name.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And a lot of those would be porn-related, I'm sure.
Oh, just dot fuck just it dot it.
It really pisses off, but I can't get, like, just dot do dot it.
No.
You get sued.
I wonder if you could get sued for that one.
That's a good lot.
Now, see, that's a good legal.
I'm sure they have the slogan trademarked.
Yeah, but it's a, can you enforce that on a, what if you're in Italy, and your name of your company is something D.O.
It's like, like, Doug's Orders, and you're in Italy or something like that.
Well, I mean, you wouldn't have, like, you know, just dot do dot it.
Unless, of course, you wouldn't have, like, you know, the, never mind, I can't think of a good acronym for just.
Yeah, I don't think, I don't, that would be, plus the international aspect of it would come into play.
How can they force it over on Italy to give up a name?
The registrar would be Italian-based, I guess.
Oh, well.
Anyway, discussion for another show.
I might have to, I actually might hit my lawyer up with that question, see what they think.
All right, anyway, let's jump into some show and tell here.
And, man, all our gabbing has got us through half the show, and we actually had some content today.
Oh, I lie so bad.
Let's do some.
Dude, I don't know how we're going to fit all our stuff into the show.
Actually, I got some pretty good stuff, joking aside.
I got a few things here.
But, and actually, I don't have much show and tell anyway, so I can jump through that,
simply say that I recorded a Nauticon special episode of the show with Lucky 225.
I did that over the weekend, and doing some traveling.
Actually, while you're listening to this, I'm probably, let's see, will I be back in town?
I'm not sure.
I might be out of town while this episode is airing.
So, doing some real-life, personal reasons traveling.
Wish me luck.
Good luck on whatever you're doing.
I'll ask you about that after the show.
Just in case, yeah, just in case somebody is listening from my, yeah.
Anyway, boy, that was vague and mysterious.
But, oh, well, that's pretty much it for me, recording Nauticon special.
I still got to do a...
Tick dog, international, man of misery.
Yeah, I don't know international.
I don't even have a passport.
Interstate, man of misery.
There you go.
Interstate.
Intrastate, if we really want to be particular.
But, okay, whatever.
What do you got for show and tell while I take a drink of Dr. Pepper?
Like I said, lifetime supply of Dr. Pepper.
I would be very open to that.
Oh, I've been just, you know, really enjoying asterisk and playing around with it.
Myself and Strom Carlson have been goofing off and hooking our asterisk box up together
and fooling around with Dundee, which is, stands for, I don't know what it stands for.
It's a way of sort of sharing numbers between computers
and having a bunch of computers interconnected into a mesh.
And computer A is connected to computer B, but not connected to computer C,
while computer B is connected to computer C.
And you can sort of, like, you know, A knows all the numbers on C.
And, you know.
I'm not doing a good job of explaining it.
Dundee dot org, I think.
Org.
I'm sure, I bet you pronounce it jif and not, I'm sure you pronounce it gif and not jif.
It is gif.
No, it's jif.
Who pronounces it jif?
Jif is a peanut butter.
Jif is the correct CompuServe pronunciation.
CompuServe unicis.
That's why CompuServe died.
CompuServe's still around, man.
That got bought out by AOL.
Yeah, still around, still around.
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
I can probably get my CIS.com internet address.
It's like 76232, comma.
Yeah, that's a real great naming convention there.
It was back in 1995.
And, you know, that was back in the day.
It's like, you know, first thing I read on the internet was on my CompuServe account.
And then I got, you know, straight into Unix about two weeks later.
Oh, yeah.
I did the hopping around from CompuServe to AOL discs back in the day, too.
But...
No, no.
Never did AOL.
No?
Yeah.
I hopped from one to the other.
Whatever I could get for free.
30 days, cancel, jump on to another one.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
We paid...
My parents paid for it.
It's just that we start...
I stopped using it.
And basically, I was the only person to use it, you know.
It moved them back in the days.
Uh-huh.
Gotcha.
At a...
Well...
At a...
28.8 kilobits per second.
I don't care what you say or they say.
It's GIF.
GIF.
GIF is a peanut butter.
It's a...
But...
If we go out...
J is a peanut butter.
GIF with a G is an image format.
Look, if we go out...
Here's how words are defined as far as I'm concerned.
If we go out to 100 computer techies and we asked them and we held up the jar of GIF
peanut butter and said, how do you pronounce this?
And they're going to say GIF.
And then you show them the .gif file, a .gif file.
And you say, how do you pronounce this?
They're going to say GIF.
Therefore, even if it was originally GIF, it's been taken away.
You want to start a campaign to make it back to .gif?
It is .gif.
You don't have to take it away?
I mean, I can go to like, you know, 105 MCSEs and ask about hackers and get a horrible definition
of it.
Well, maybe you get a couple of them that had it right, but...
And actually, that's a good transition unless you...
Do you have some show and tell, some other stuff?
No.
The only other thing that I've been really doing is, along with asterisks, I've been playing
with, I was making up intercept generators, which is a, for those who don't know, an intercept
is when you get a phone, you know, when you dial a number that's been disconnected, you get
the computer saying, you know, number you've reached, blah, blah, blah, has been disconnected.
And I've been fooling around with that, and it allows me to make fun sound clips, like this.
Uh-oh.
The number you have reached, 911, has been disconnected.
If you need assistance, the number is, 1-9-0-0-3-7-9-3-7-8-2.
Please make a note of it.
Do I even want to know what that 1-900 number goes to?
I have no idea.
I completely made it up by myself.
Is there a new, like, Ms. Cleo's number?
Yeah, right.
I've been stabbed.
Ms. Cleo has the answers for your man.
Well, you know what, actually, I was going to use that as a segue into one of our main
topics, but let's do this one first.
If you want, you were telling me about this new thing, this Graffidia.
Yeah, I think that's how you pronounce it, to be honest with you.
Are we, oh, we're actually going to agree on pronunciation?
All right, way to go.
Okay, because I don't know how it's pronounced.
Yeah, I'm going with, let's go.
Well, it's got to be graffiti and media, so Graffidia.
I mean, that's, that's the two words, right?
Graffidia, media.
Yeah, true, true.
So, Graffidia.
Now, what exactly is Graffidia?
Uh, Graffidia.
Okay, not exactly, but because we don't, what do we think?
Graffidia is an interesting new type of user interface.
Essentially, what people are doing is, uh, it allows you to take some graffiti and assign
a, uh, image or some type of Easter egg to it, and what people can do is take a picture
of your graffiti and email it to a certain address, at which point you'll get your Easter egg.
Hmm.
I wonder, and how is this exactly, how is this used?
I mean, is this like, uh, a game that people are playing?
Is this like a personal thing, or like, our business?
I guess you could call it more of a game right now.
I mean, it's just, you know, kind of experimenting with the, uh, current limits of technology.
Well, I'm just wondering, like, what is, what's to stop, like, companies from doing this, and
you scan it, and they send you a coupon, or an advertisement, or some crap like that.
Oh.
What, how long before this becomes spammed, you know what I mean?
Well, how is that, how is that different?
I mean, that's, technically, you could do the same thing with that.
It's just more of pushing, pushing the bounds.
No, I think it sounds cool, I just, I'm worried that if it ever takes off, like everything
else, the advertisers will get their fingers in it, and then you'll see some graffiti or
something on the side of the, you know, it looks like it might be something interesting
that you might follow up on, like a wall in a club, for example.
And you're like, oh, I wonder who left this, maybe this is some new website, or some new
music group, or whatever, and come to find out it was put there by some company, you know,
some spam.
Oh, yes, everything is going to go down that path, eventually.
Yeah, that's a sad thing, but no, this actually sounds kind of cool, and we talked about something
similar to this on a past episode, the one about the 3D barcodes.
Oh, those things are so awesome.
Yeah, I don't remember that offhand.
You know what we should do, and when we say we, I mean you, you know what we should do?
Put together a show, and kind of gather up a lot of these things, and talk about several
of them all together, instead of all these different individual ones here and there.
Completely spiff-tastic, spiff-tastic new user interfaces.
Woo-hoo!
I'm sure everyone would just fall asleep.
Yeah, I don't know, I think, well, if we could demonstrate them, maybe, or actually
apply them and have people play along somehow, that would be cool.
I'd probably do it with, like, Hack TV.
That would be more...
Yeah, it would, actually.
That's a good idea.
I just need a video camera.
Um, alright, I'll send you one.
Okay, sounds good.
Keep waiting.
Trust me, it's on its way.
Alright, it's in the mail?
Yeah, exactly.
Alright, it'll be waited with beta brush.
Actually, one of my eBay things should be coming in tomorrow.
Oops.
Oh, boy.
Do I want to ask what you got off of eBay?
Uh...
Does it require batteries?
Payphone-related material.
Woo-hoo!
Woo-hoo, yeah!
Alright.
I won't be home.
Oh, oh no!
Will they leave it, or is it more than...
Oh, no, no, no.
I'll be able to hit it.
I just won't be able to play with it tomorrow night.
Aw.
Sounds like a personal problem.
But what about your delivery?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, it'll be delivered.
I have people taking care of that.
Ah, gotcha.
Alright, well, what I wanted to do a little bit tonight,
and let's see, we've got a pretty good, decent amount of time we can do some of this,
is I had mentioned before that I had received my CEH certification,
my Certified Ethical Hacker.
And I mentioned, I gave a little quick overview of what some of the questions were like
and the test format and things like that.
Well, I thought what I would do is maybe read some of these questions,
some of these sample questions.
Some of them I cut and pasted from the exam,
some of the ones that I wasn't sure about,
or some of the ones I thought were interesting.
Um, and of course I have some stuff,
they have some sample quizzes available with some sample questions, etc.
And I have my study guides, etc., etc.
So, I thought I'd give this a shot.
Now, I'm not going to ask these to you, Black Cratcher,
to put you on the spot,
but feel free if you want to jump in and knock one out,
go ahead.
I'm going to have like a Jeopardy here,
Hacker Jeopardy.
Yeah, we need a, um, we need some Jeopardy theme music here, too, but...
Ah, don't get us sued.
We have to make like a knockoff.
Well, let's see, one of the things you definitely need to know very well,
I mean, you can pass the test without knowing this.
However, one thing that's very much emphasized,
and I really think people would,
it would help you go further in understanding
a lot of this stuff, and not just memorizing it,
is understanding,
an in-depth understanding of TCP IP,
and specifically the different types of packets
and how these packets are broken up,
like a TCP packet versus an IP packet,
and again, to take it further,
versus a UDP packet or an ARC packet
or pinging and ICMP, etc., etc.
How those packets break down
and what they look for
and what's in the header
and what's reserved, etc., etc.,
that will go a long way
in understanding
a lot of the things that you're going to cover.
However,
I don't...
I'm so screwed.
Yeah, and that is not easy.
Don't get me wrong.
Well, I mean, it's not hard,
but there's a lot to that.
That's definitely not something
you sit down and memorize right away.
So that's something that I would think that
if you're into the networking side of things,
and again, I'm more of a programmer
and with some networking skills,
if you're in the networking side of things,
you hopefully will know some of that already
or it would go very far
in your career and everything
to understand that fundamentally.
It's kind of like understanding
the fundamentals of programming
and loops and things like that.
So that, first of all,
is something that I highly recommend
just in general.
However, that being said,
I do not believe
that it's required on the test.
There's no direct questions
that I recall
that say
what is in this part
of this type of packet
or anything like that.
However, it will apply
to questions indirectly.
You can get by
without having those memorized
by just memorizing
the study guide material
and stuff like that.
And a lot of the emphasis
on these exams,
I'll tell you,
first of all, up front,
one of the things
you do have to memorize,
and boy,
don't put me on the spot.
This was my weakest part
of the whole exam.
What was that?
Are you there?
No, I'm here.
Oh, I thought you dropped off there.
No, no,
I'm actually on a landline
this time, so.
Oh, gotcha.
Okay, one of the things
that they really, really
had a lot of questions about,
and this was where I did
most poorly on the exam,
is no one...
What was that?
Girls.
No, that's not on...
No, you did poorly, so.
It's not on the
Certified Ethical Hackers exam.
And actually,
I would have smoked that one
if I say so myself.
But hey, whatever.
It says the single guy.
The switches for
a lot of the most popular
security software applications.
You have to know
MMAP switches
and Nessus switches
and
Ettercap.
Just
all these different programs.
You really have to know
a lot of the switches.
Just probably
memorize all of the switches
and what they do
and what they mean.
There were several
questions about that.
Which of the following
commands will do
XYZ?
And they will list,
and it's all multiple choice,
which sounds like
it should make it easy,
but no.
They'll give you
four NMAP commands
with four different switches.
And if you don't know
what they mean,
and I'm not saying
just like slash
capital S.
They're like
long strings
with seven,
eight parameters
or more.
So they'll give you
a question that says,
which of the following
does A, B, C, D, E, F, and G?
And you will have to
know those switches
and therefore know
what each one does
and then what they do
when they're working together.
And frankly,
that one gave me trouble
because I don't like memorizing.
I like learning.
I like actually learning
the fundamental process of it,
how and why it works.
And memorizing switches,
you know what?
Real hackers,
and this is one of the problems
I have with the exam.
This is a hacking exam.
Real hackers don't memorize
every switch.
Real hackers know
when and where
to look those switches up
when the time comes
that I need them.
Ask a question, Mark.
Yeah.
What do you want me to,
if somebody gives me
that question,
and I want you to find
A, B, C, D, E, F, and G,
I'll be, okay,
well, in map slash help,
in map slash question mark,
and I'll look them up
and then I'll type in map
and I'll put in the proper switches
and it doesn't take me
any longer than some schmuck
who memorized it
take me 10 seconds,
30 seconds longer
than somebody who memorized it.
It's, to me,
it seems,
memorization in general
is foolish to me.
I don't see the point
of memorizing
because it's too short term.
I'd rather you learn
everything in a,
you know,
fundamentally,
I should say,
learn the fundamentals
of everything,
I should say.
Now,
I'm going to take a look.
I'm going to skim through this.
I did not single
any questions out
ahead of time,
but let me throw
a couple of these.
Again,
I'm going to skip,
like I said,
there are a lot of them
about in map switch this
and blah, blah, blah.
I'm going to skip those
because that's kind of silly
to read on the air.
Just trust me,
there's a lot of them.
The exam itself
is 125 questions.
You have to go
to an authorized school
of some sort
to take it
and you go in,
they have them scheduled
once every few weeks
or once a month
or something like that.
You go in with a group
of people,
computerized exam,
and as I said,
multiple choice.
So again,
I'm going to skip over that.
There's also some in here
that are too long
to read.
For example,
here's a question
that says,
what does the following
code indicate?
And you have code.
And I mean,
it's way,
way too long
for me to read
source code on the radio.
It's also kind of dumb.
You know?
Pound defined.
They're dumb, too, you know.
Yeah.
So,
but basically,
you have to be able
to look at code,
even if you,
you know,
there's some programming involved.
You don't have to write it,
but you have to be able
to interpret it.
And you have to be able
to look at these
and realize
that this particular one
I'm looking at
is a buffer overflow.
You have to be able
to recognize one
when you see it.
And there's some others
that I don't see
in front of me now,
but I remember
now that I'm talking
about that,
there were some
that were,
why is this code insecure?
You know,
that it used gets
or some insecure function
or,
you know what I mean?
But,
there are also
some questions in here
that are very simple.
For example,
here's one.
This one,
I will ask you this one
because I know
this is super simple.
In the context
of passwords,
what is a brute force
attack?
Now,
that's very simple.
I mean,
the answers are,
actually,
I like A.
A says,
you beat up someone
until he reveals
his password.
Oh,
that's how I do it.
Yeah,
right?
B,
you create hashes
of large number
of words
and compare it
with the encrypted
password value.
C,
you try
every single possibility.
D,
you wait
until the password
expires.
Now,
like any other
testing scenario,
you can wipe out
a couple of the
obvious ones.
A is obviously...
Like that hash one,
man,
just blow that one out.
A is obviously
incorrect,
although maybe very
effective,
as Black Ratchet
said.
And D,
wait until the password
expires.
How is that a brute
force attack?
I think that's
obviously wrong.
And B,
of course,
most listeners know
that that's not
correct either,
because you're doing
a dictionary-style
attack on that one.
That's not brute
force.
Brute force is
absolutely pounding
away with every
single possibility.
A,
B,
A,
C,
and just pounding
through.
Now,
they're not necessarily
sequential like that,
however,
you get my point.
So a lot of the
questions are like
that.
And a lot of them
are security
terminology questions.
Buffer overflow is
more of a technique
question,
a brute force
attack.
Which of the
following is a good
example of passive
fingerprinting?
A,
Nmap scan,
B,
trace route,
C,
an Edgar search,
or D,
host scanning?
Now,
to answer that
question,
you have to know
what the definition
of passive
fingerprinting is.
I'm so screwed
when I take this.
Huh?
I'm so screwed
if I take this.
Yeah,
it's not,
no,
actually,
if you think about it,
I mean,
it's difficult,
I'm reading stuff
on the radio,
I'm not actually
reading this for you
to answer.
But if you think
about it.
I don't want to
say,
like,
lead,
I want to have
people say,
like,
dude,
a black ratchet
is a really,
you know,
he's a fruit
who really knows
where his towel is.
This term,
passive fingerprinting,
is really the most
important thing.
And you will,
they do teach it
in the course,
you go for a week
and take the course,
or even more than a week
go for a week for the,
what do they call it,
the boot camp course,
or study on your own,
which is what I did,
and then just show up
on the day that
they offer the test.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
teaches.
So,
in the books,
I'm sorry?
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
teaches Linux.
Yeah.
The,
um,
what was the guy,
is that the guy
from Ernie?
The Full Metal Jacket.
Yeah,
Full Metal Jacket,
is that him?
Yep.
Yeah.
R.O.E. Emery.
What is passive
fingerprinting,
you maggot?
Yeah,
I don't do it.
Jesus Christ.
Um,
passive fingerprinting,
anyway,
you will learn
what passive fingerprinting,
you will learn
what the term is.
However,
it's somewhat,
if you had to guess,
if you put a little
common sense,
passive versus active.
Passive fingerprinting
is when you really
kind of don't leave
a fingerprint,
if you want to think
of it that way.
It's passive,
meaning you're not
touching the server
in question.
Active fingerprinting,
or active scan,
fingerprinting and scanning
are not interchangeable,
but in this case
they kind of are.
If you're doing
active fingerprinting,
you're actively probing
and looking at the box,
scanning the box
and things like that.
Passive fingerprinting
is standing back
and trying to find out
information
without touching the box,
without leaving a fingerprint
on the box.
For example,
it's not on this list,
but social engineering.
Maybe calling up somebody
and finding out information.
I don't know,
that might be,
maybe that would be active too
because you are connecting
to the human factor of it.
Eh, kind of iffy.
But I could pass it
as more like,
you know,
if I compromised
another computer
on the network,
in which I have never
done this,
blah, blah, blah, blah,
statute of limitations,
I've only done this
in the lab.
There is a utility
called,
shoot,
Passive OS Fingerprinter,
and I believe it's P0F,
and what it does
is essentially
just listens
to all the traffic
on the network
and comes back
and tells you,
well,
this IP is running,
probably running,
you know,
Linux between
24.22
and 24.26,
and this box
is running FreeBSD3,
and it does it
the way the,
I believe the way
it gets information
is just launches
the packets
and looks at the
TCP sequence numbers
on it,
and it's a really
fascinating tool.
Right,
and it very much
is passive
because it is
sitting there
sniffing or catching
packets that are
coming out.
Now,
the act of getting
it in the loop,
for lack of a better
word,
might be a little
bit tougher,
but the way that
it works is passive
because it's not
going out and grabbing,
it's sitting back
and listening.
So,
now thinking of
active and passive
again,
I'll go back
to the four choices
where A,
an in-map scan,
obviously that is
an active attack.
You are doing
a scan on a computer.
You are scanning
their open ports
and things like that,
so we can wipe
that one off
the possibilities.
Trace route,
B,
trace route.
Trace route
is doing the same
thing.
A trace route
functions by
pinging every hop
along the way
from one destination
to another,
from one source
to a destination.
So,
there's actually
a ping process.
You are connecting
and hitting everything
along the way
with the goal
of finding out
information of
every hop along
the way,
whether it be
the routers
on their end,
the ultimate
computer at the
end of it,
the switches that
they're using,
etc.
So that also
is active.
So that one
we can cross off.
That's not part
of passive
fingerprinting.
C and D,
Edgar Search
or host scanning.
Well,
again,
host scanning
is obviously
scanning a computer.
I think that's
pretty obviously
active.
It's kind of a
generic term,
host scanning.
You're scanning
the host for
vulnerabilities or
something like that,
but you are
actively scanning
that computer.
So that leaves
the odd man
out here.
Even if you
didn't know
the answer up
front,
the only answer
you're left
with is C,
Edgar Search.
What tech
is an Edgar
Search?
I'm sorry?
What tech
is Edgar?
I was going
to say,
now for Edgar
Search,
for those of
you who don't
know,
is a stock
market term.
Edgar is
searching for
information on
a company
through the
Edgar database.
So you can
go out there
and find out,
for example,
what kind of
file system
does Google
use?
Well,
we could scan
them,
we could
in math,
we could
trace route,
we could
do all
kinds of
active
fingerprinting,
but I
could also
look up
their stock
term and
say,
and read,
for instance,
some of their
stockholder
information or
some of their
press releases
and things like
that that says,
Google is able
to save money
because of our
proprietary Google
file system,
GFS,
which operates
on a multi-hand,
you know,
and you can get
it passively
without ever
touching or
connecting to
any of their
boxes.
You can go
to Edgar
Online.
I think it's
edgar-online.com,
I think,
but I don't
have that in
front of me,
so I'm not
sure about that.
This Edgar
guy seems
pretty busy.
Yeah,
exactly.
Let's see,
what else do
we have here?
Some of
these are
pretty,
why would you,
here you go,
this is an
interesting one.
This is the
kind of
questions I
liked.
why would
you bother
sending an
email to
an address
that does
not exist
to the
company email
server that
you are
currently
testing?
These are
the kind of
questions I
really like
because it
teaches you
why people
do things
and why
hackers take
these actions
that may not
make sense,
you may not
understand.
Why would
you send
an email to
an address
that doesn't
exist on a
mail server?
A,
because you're
a noob.
A,
because you're
a noob.
And these
answers are
pretty obviously
you can,
process of
elimination.
A,
you wish to
do a
denial of
service attack
on their
SMTP server.
Not with
one email
you're not.
The answer
is B,
I'm going to
skip that
one.
C,
you will
elicit a
response that
will reveal
who is the
postmaster.
Not
necessarily.
Possibly.
Possibly,
but not
necessarily.
Technically,
I think you
are required
to put a
postmaster
address,
but it's
not enforced.
Yes,
rfc-ignorant.org.
Yeah,
that is
actually a,
I think that
is required,
but it's
not enforced.
That could
actually,
I might argue
that as a
trick question,
a trick
answer.
D,
you will
test what
the emergency
response team
reaction is
in such a
case.
Oh my
God,
we got a
wrong email.
We got an
email that
bounced.
Oh no!
Do you
know how
many emails
that we
get on
a daily
basis
have been
revved
at
Bounce?
It's
probably.
Never
underestimate
the asinine
qualities of
emergency
response teams.
Yeah,
yeah,
exactly.
I was
reading a
news story,
I'm not
exactly sure
where I
read this,
but somebody
in London
was arrested
for browsing
a tsunami
release site,
and the
admin thought
he was a
hacker.
Why?
Because he
was using
links.
Oh,
only hackers
use links.
That's
amazing.
Yeah,
that sounds
pretty asinine.
Yeah.
Well,
the answer
to this
one is
B.
Oh man,
I knew
that one.
And B
says,
again,
this is why
you send
an email
to an
address
that doesn't
exist,
because B,
you will
elicit a
response back
that will
reveal
information
on servers
being used
in the
treatment
of mail
traffic.
And that
is a fact.
You are
going to
get,
the mail
server is
going to
pick it
up,
it's going
to pass
it through
any other
servers such
as spam
servers.
There are
hardware
solutions or
even software
servers where
people set up
a box to
search it
for spam.
You're
going to
find all
those hops,
all those
hits as
it passes
through.
And you
will see
that in
all the
email
headers.
So that
would be
the reason
to send
a fake
email,
not because
you want
them to
see it,
but because
you want
to get
that bounce
message
back so
you can
see where
it went.
firewalking.
Firewalking.
Dude, I
saw that in
some documentary
on National
Geographic.
That looked
pretty painful.
Yeah, you
don't see
where that
has to do
with hacking
though, but
firewalking is
just...
You probably
want to
hack off
your feet
if they
turn into
cinders.
Probably.
It has
to do
with
firewalls.
Common sense
might put
the words
together,
two and
two together.
Firewalking.
Firewall is
determining
what rules
are in place
on the
firewall based
on the
responses
you get
back from
trying to
pass to it
or trying
to connect
to it.
Let's
see here.
Let me
find a couple
others.
Let me
find some
tougher ones
because those
are all
actually
pretty easy.
You'll get
a lot of
questions like
this.
This one's
true or
false, but
most of
them are
not true
and false.
This one
says, if
you receive
an RST
packet while
doing an
ACK scan,
it indicates
that the
port is
open.
True or
false?
Most of
the ones
that I've
seen say,
if you
receive this
packet while
doing this
scan, what
response will
you get?
You'll get
four options.
I didn't
have any
true or
false on
the actual
test.
This is a
practice exam
I'm looking
at now, so
there were
no true and
false on
the actual
exam.
This one
is true.
The port
is open.
There were
several like
that.
You definitely
have to know
the responses.
You have to
know all the
different responses
to all the
different queries.
Let's see.
Boy, that's
way...
Wait, you
get a reset
packet when
you're scanning
something?
The port is
open?
Let's see.
If you
receive...
I heard you
wrong.
If you
receive a
reset packet
while doing
an ACS
scan, it
indicates that
the port is
open.
And that
is true.
Oh, never
mind.
Okay, I'm
just going to
shut up now
and not
sound like a
noob.
That is
true.
Oh, let's
see here.
I was just
kidding.
I was letting
the people
play at home
saying, oh
my God, he's
so wrong.
It becomes
blah, blah,
blah.
That's just
it.
All these
different packets
and which
types of...
And that goes
back to what I
was saying before
too about which
type of packets
you're using and
how they're made
up and et cetera,
et cetera, because
they're all different.
Yeah.
And that's why
Nmap and tools
like that are
so great to
automate all
that stuff.
Nmap.
Nmap's code is
godlike.
Yeah, it's, you
know, the
order...
Does crazy
things with
TCP scans
that, like, you
know, the
people never
even thought
were possible.
It's a beauty.
The code is
just wonderful to
look at if
you're ever
looking at
TCP sockets
and see.
Very, very
good stuff.
Here's one
that has a
big, long
bit of text
and it's
basically
what can you
tell from
this...
What can you
tell from
this log
entry?
And you see
a bunch of
hits with
things like
root exe,
c colon,
backslash
directory,
command exe,
et cetera,
et cetera.
All these
attempts at
executing
command exe,
which is...
Like NMDA.
NMDA
signature.
Absolutely right.
That's a
signature.
Anytime you
see that,
it's a
NMDA
attack.
Or attempted.
Well,
technically it
could also be
a code red.
Yeah,
yeah,
very...
The only
reason because
is because
NMDA
basically tries
to use
code red
backdoors.
I was
getting ready
to say
because they're
so very
closely related.
Here's an
easy one.
What do
the following
have in
common?
Trenu,
TFN2K,
Windtrenu,
T-Site,
and Stractal
Drot have
in common?
And they're
all distributed
denial-of-service
tools.
Damn it,
I was going
to say that
too,
but I don't
want to
sound like
a noob.
I'm worried
about trashing
my reputation
here.
It's 1237,
I'm tired.
Here's a
simple one.
Actually,
this is too
simple.
They didn't
have anything
this simple
on the exam.
What tool
do you need
to read a
Perl script
in order to
determine what
is the purpose
of the script?
Cap.
Yeah,
the answer
is any text
editor or text
viewer.
That was not
a question that
simple on the
exam.
Absolutely not.
These sample
questions now
are starting to
become...
LPR.
What is a
hacktivist?
Stankdog.
Yeah,
wrong answer.
Someone that
hacks for a
cause.
Unless you
can call
having fun
a cause,
then no,
I'm not a
hacktivist.
Who is that?
Crime thing.
Oh,
God,
I hate that.
Oh,
no,
don't mention
him on my
show.
Let's see.
Noob.
Yeah,
ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
Okay,
I am a tool
that can hide
processes from
the process list.
I can hide
files.
I can also
hide registry
entries.
Intercept key
strokes typed
at the console.
Issue a
debug interrupt
causing a
blue screen
of death.
Redirect
EXE files.
What is the
name of this
tool?
I think this,
yeah,
I don't
particularly like
this question,
but yes,
the answer is
rootkit.
Yay!
You get a little
bell to ring
when I'm right.
Some of these
hackers would do
better at than,
I think,
some of these
security professionals
who this is aimed
towards.
Like this one,
I am a tool
used to crack
a single account
on Netware
servers using
a dictionary
attack.
What is my
name?
God,
I don't even
remember what
Netware was.
Yeah,
and the thing
is,
hackers may have
used this,
so they may be
familiar with it,
whereas I think
most security
administrators,
especially these
days,
don't remember
Netware stuff
either,
but it's
NWP...
It's still around.
I know a couple
of people who
still use it.
Yeah,
it's NWP
crack.
NWP
crack.
Now,
let me take a
look at this.
Let's see.
Let me find some
good questions
here.
See,
the sample
quizzes they
give you
don't show
the good
multiple choice.
Let me see
about a couple
of the ones
that I wrote
down that I
copied and
pasted because
I thought they
were tricky.
Let me see.
What do I have
here?
I don't know.
Here's one that
I don't like.
I hated this
question on the
exam.
I don't know
if I got it
right.
Well,
I went and
looked the
answer afterwards
because I'm
like that.
It says,
according to
CEH methodology,
which CEH,
of course,
Certified Ethical
Hacking
Methodology,
what is the
next step to
be performed
after footprinting?
Is it A,
enumeration,
B,
scanning,
C,
system hacking,
D,
social engineering,
or E,
expanding influence?
F,
grab beer.
Yeah,
and see,
I don't like
this question
because
who the hell
are they to
tell me what
CEH methodology?
I don't give
a rat's ass
what your
CEH methodology
is.
That's some
bullshit.
They can tell
you what
CEH methodology
is.
And they
do in the
course.
But I don't
like them
asking the
questions on
it because
to me it's
not really
appropriate.
That's not
something that
measures or
tests your
hacking ability
or your
hacking knowledge.
It measures
how much you
memorized out of
their stupid
textbook.
It's worthless
information to
me.
Fine,
that's the way
you CEH people
want to look at
things,
but that's not
the way that
real hackers do
it.
Take my page
from the
Microsoft.
Yeah,
we do it
in whatever
format or
order we
think is
most appropriate.
Locking
yourself into
some strict
rigid list
is ridiculous.
The answer,
by the way,
was scanning,
B scanning,
after footprinting.
So I guess
enumeration and
their methodology
in enumeration is
probably first,
then footprinting,
then scanning.
And I don't
think these
others are
really system
hacking.
That's too
vague of a
term.
I don't think
there's a real
step.
But when do
you get here?
I think that
must be in
the stage two.
Oh,
okay.
All right,
how about this
one?
This is a tricky
one.
Well,
that's not tricky.
You either know
it or you don't.
While footprinting
a network,
and I did
not,
that's why I
wrote this
down,
by the way.
While footprinting
a network,
what port
service should
you look for
to attempt
a zone
transfer?
53.
53 and
what port
and service?
Oh,
53
service as
on DNS
or service
as on UDP?
TCP.
Oh,
yeah,
TCP.
53 on
TCP.
You got
it.
Let's
see,
what else?
Let me
find another
good one
here.
Dig dash
AXDFR.
Okay,
here's the
NMAP
question I
was talking
about earlier.
And you
just either
have them
memorized
or you
don't.
Which of
the following
NMAP
commands would
be used
to perform
a UDP
scan
of the
lower
1024
ports?
A.
NMAP
dash
lowercase
H
capital
U.
B.
NMAP
dash
lowercase
H
capital
U
space
hosts.
C.
NMAP
dash
lowercase
S
capital
U
dash
lowercase
P
1
dash
1024
space
hosts.
D.
NMAP
dash
U
space
dash
V
space
dash
W2
space
host
space
1
dash
1024
or
E
NMAP
dash
lowercase
S
dash
capital
S
space
dash
lowercase
O
space
target
slash
1024
NMAP
dash
do what
I want
dash
now
dash
the answer
to that
was C
which I'm
not even
going to
read again
but it's
one of
those things
where you
have to
know
and have
memorized
all of
these
switches
and those
are the
questions
that killed
me.
I don't
memorize.
I look
them up
when the
time
comes
I think
it's
foolish
again
the
packets
and the
responses
and things
like that
which of
the following
ICMP
message types
are used
for destination
unreachable
A
0
B
3
C
11
D
13
or
E
17
I'll take
a shot
in the
dark
and say
13
it's
B
3
oh
um
destination
host
or
destination
net
destinations
unreachable
it doesn't
say
whatever
let's
see
I don't
know
ICMP
replies
ICMP
replies
let's
see
here's
a whole
string
of these
of the
ones we
talked about
earlier
if you
send a
SIN
to an
open port
what is
the correct
response
SIN
AC
yes
but I
need more
information
this is
another
trick
question
kind
of
if you
send a
SIN
to an
open port
what is
the correct
response
A
SIN
B
AC
C
FIN
or
D
PSH
what the hell
is that
yeah
it would be
SIN
it would be
A and
B
is the
correct
answer
to that
one
you can
do that
half
open
scanning
I believe
that's
again
you can do
like two
questions at
once
this is
yeah
you can
get
yeah
I believe
so
I believe
so
the
well
you know
what
I gotta
be honest
on this
one
and a
lot
of
these
I went
and looked
them up
afterwards
so I
can't
guarantee
the
accuracy
quite
frankly
if
someone
knows
that
I've
misspoken
here
please
correct
me
without
calling
me
a
dumbass
just
say
I
misspoke
but
thank
you
dumbass
you
misspoke
yeah
how about
here's
one
that's
a
clear
answer
what is
the
proper
response
for a
FIN scan
if the
port is
closed
A
AC
excuse me
A
SIN
B
AC
C
FIN
D
PSH
E
RST
I'm gonna
guess
E
you got
it
reset
I
don't
even
PSH
is a
proper
response
for
a
it
is
what
is
PSH
oh
unless
it's
like
one of
those
crazy
ones
like
Squelch
or
Source
Squench
it's
like
oh
man
I
can't
think
of
it
is
that
Google
no
not
Google
ask
Yahoo
damn
it
screw
you
I'm
asking
Google
I
don't
ask
Google
anymore
and
actually
we're
gonna
stop
with
that
one
because
we're
running
low
on
time
but
you
got
an
idea
I'm
gonna
tell
you
what
I'll
read
a few
more
questions
and
I'm
not
going
to
give
the
answers
and
I'll
let
people
look
these
answers
up
what
type
of
what
was
the
PS
whatever
PSH
Papa
Sierra
Hotel
yeah
okay
I will
look it
up
while you
read
the
questions
okay
I'm
just
going
to
jump
most
reliable
but
also
the
most
visible
and
likely
to
be
picked
up
by
an
intrusion
detection
system
A
SYN scan
B
ACS scan
D
RST
scan
D
connect
scan
or
E
thin
scan
let's
see
what
is
forms
scalpel
used
for
and
a lot
of
these
again
are
knowing
tools
what
is
hunt
used
for
hunt
which
the
answer
to
that
of
course
I'll
tell
you
because
it's
kind
of
tough
to
google
for
is
used
to
intercept
traffic
as
in
man
in
the
middle
type
traffic
man
in
the
middle
attacks
what
is
the
disadvantage
of
an
automated
vulnerability
assessment
tool
here's
a good
one
what
port
should
be
blocked
on
the
firewall
to
prevent
net
BIOS
traffic
from
not
coming
through
the
firewall
if
your
network
is
comprised
of
windows
nt
2000
and
xp
that's
a fun
one
yes
that one
I'm going to leave that one
because you can easily find the answer to that one
let's see
what is the command
what are the default passwords used by snmp
p there are two answers to that
two
very nice
yep
um
oh
goodness
let's see
soa records
you have to know
um
pandora is used to attack network operating systems
to attack what network operating systems
excuse me
um
which of the following are potential attacks on cryptography
a
a one time pad
b
chosen ciphertext
c
man in the middle
or d
known ciphertext attack
or i'm sorry
or e
replay attack
um
a lot of logs
a lot of cut and pasting of log files
um
and you're supposed to look through the logs
and see what kind of attack was attempted
or what kind of information you can garnish from it
generated by an intrusion detection system
for example
they will give you a part of the log
when they think something's going on
and you have to look at it
and figure out what's going on
um
let's see
dns cache poisoning
you have to know a little bit about that
um
actually
that's all that I wrote down
that I missed for sure
or that I had questions about
that I wanted to look up afterwards
and
I think that's probably good anyway
because we're running low on time
so
the other thing is
the reason I don't have the answers
to some of these
is when you're done taking the exam
they do not tell you
which ones you missed
or what the correct answers were
they simply give you a score
which I thought was incredibly frustrating
it's
you know
if I'm going to take this
yeah
well if I
see the whole thing is
I want to learn
whichever ones I missed
I want to know what the correct answer was
so I can know and learn that
I mean
that's not their problem
yeah
apparently not
that just kind of
oh well
anyway
for those of you playing at home
PSH stands for push
which instructs in a TCP packet
instructs the receiving system
to send all buffer data immediately
but as far as I know
it has nothing to do
with the connect sequence
no
oh I don't think so
all right
well
I guess we're going to
wrap it up here
that should give you
a very good idea
of the type of questions
that they ask
they're very technical
very detail
level stuff
knowing flags
knowing exact responses
and then mix in some
questions about
different tools
now I personally
I did fine on most of the tools
because I'm familiar
with a lot of them
I just don't memorize
a lot of these switches
and a lot of things like that
I also did way too poorly
on the port responses
I should have done better on that
but I am not
a network guy
so I don't really memorize
those very well either
so yeah
I guess I'm a bit of a noob
that way
so those are the ones
that's why I read
quite a few of those questions
because those are the ones
that made me stumble
luckily I was
had enough
other things
that I knew
that I was able to
still
get the CEH
but
anyway
if you feel comfortable
with those questions
that we gave you
some of those samples
and
and those type of questions
you might want to
look into it
so
do a search for
Certified Ethical Hacker
and you will find
several links
and
that
I think
is enough
for the show
what do you think
sounds good to me
alright
let's close out here
I wanted to make
one comment
I mentioned
on our site
of the week
previously
a site called
Welcome to the Scene
which is like a video show
which I think the sixth episode
just came out
which is kind of interesting
trying to twist it
and change characters on it
which is really cool
I like this show
I still like this show
it's a little bit slow
at first
but once you start watching it
it's surprisingly addictive
it's well done I think
and interesting
but I've seen
a lot of people
out there
making comments
that this is somehow
Sony propaganda
and that really
confuses me
I understand
apparently
they
somebody has made
a connection
I guess
an undeniable connection
that one of the girls
that works for this company
June Entertainment
or something
either works
or has worked
for Sony
in the past
but I don't think
that's really enough
of a connection
to say that this is
Sony propaganda
because
if you've seen this
and I don't know
if you have
Black Ratchet
no I have not
but
it's a show about
it's called The Scene
because it's about
the wares and piracy scene
well
so far
I mean if it was
if it was some kind
of propaganda film
they would be telling you
how bad it is
and how wrong it is
and all this kind of stuff
and they're not
they're actually showing you
how some of it works
now as far as
how valid it is
I don't know
you know
it's a drama
so they'd probably
fudge a few things
here and there
it's all fictional
names and characters
and stuff like that
but
if it was from
Sony
I mean the whole idea
of a girl working
on a piracy scene
is just completely
overblown
yeah
the whole idea
the whole point
of thinking
it's propaganda
if it was
they wouldn't be
allowing it
to talk about
these subjects
they would be
going away from it
or showing you
how bad it is
secondly
the logic of
this escapes me
if you go to the site
they have a link
to eDonkey downloads
emule
bit torrent
etc etc
they've got links
to all these
peer to peer apps
Sony's scared
shitless of those apps
they don't want you
to use them
for anything at all
because they know
that their stuff
is out there
being piratized
they wouldn't
promote them
in any way
shape or form
if Sony had
any involvement
in this
they wouldn't
be using
those things
that's what
it seems like
to me
what did you hear
I heard that
it was actually
a conspiracy
that Sony
wants you to
think it's not
related to them
and what reality
they do
is they embed
mind control
inside the video
don't encourage
them
don't encourage
them
with more
conspiracy theories
dude
they're all out
to get you
I'm wearing my
tinfoil hat
right now
my conspiracy theory
is all against
Google right now
so my side of the week
my side of the week
this week
is search.yahoo.com
start using it
Google is the
suck sore
my side of the week
is phone trips.com
phone trips.com
it's a wonderful
series of recordings
from old
telephone systems
and I have them
all converted to
mp3 and they're
all on my iPod
and that's what
I listen to
while I'm coding
very cool
classic
too much
information there
buddy
what kind of
shout outs
do you have
some shout outs
to the
DEP forums
I hadn't
anything planned
I didn't either
I give a shout
to ZeroDB
there we go
yeah shout outs
to ZeroDB
see that's a cop out
that's no
I give a shout
to ZeroDB
he's been busy
lately but he's
put together a
presentation for our
2600 meeting
this week
and that's a
reminder to everyone
listening if you
go to your 2600
meetings they will
be this Friday
April 1st
April Fool's Day
so go to your
meetings or if you
don't go regularly
go try one for the
first time you never
know you may like it
so 2600 meetings
I was actually going
to go to my last
one and that time
like someone sent
out I'm subscribed
to my mailing list
and someone sent
out a thing saying
you know oh we're
going to have a
reporter at our
meeting I'm like oh
god damn it I'm not
going to go to that
then oh yeah I
remember that one
and like nobody went
it was pretty funny
yeah I think isn't
that the same
never mind I
shouldn't tie you
anyway
email
I'll send shout
out to Strom
Carlson who's
feeling sick this
week sick today so
I hope he feels
better by the time
this airs
okay email us
radio at binrev.com
closing music tonight
is another track from
Wu Child it's called
give them what they
want and that is
going to do it for
episode 89 of
binary
I want a new
computer
what I want a new
computer if they
want to give it to
me
um I don't think
he's going to do
that anyway we're
running on this space
so we're going to
tell everybody that
we'll see him next
week same hack time
same hack channel
you know the kids stay hot I don't gotta say what it is or who I am but to make sure that you understand it's Wu Child and there's really no other man
who can get it snapping like T.I. with them rubber bands a self-made man practicing blowing myself
up like I was from Pakistan with a track in hand it's only a matter of time I'm the unknown truth like Hank gathers in his prime with his heart pumping training day is up so I spit it like the Russians pull up and start dumping on whoever think they running something treat them like Denzel wish their careers well ain't no survivors coming from it till I'm the last man standing on the planet that can canvas Goliath by supplying the fire single-handed brandish my weapon of choice like I'm wielding a can of you standing in my world and this is the anthem cause all I do then
give him what he is
give him what he wants and he know I gotta third
give him what I need
Please believe ain't no better than me
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they want
All the time
Please believe ain't no better than me
When I spit, Nick is mostly shook, but he think he tight
I knock the sugar out your tank like I'm Winky Wright
Don't have a career malfunction worse than Janet did
Panicking in need of more friends than Jennifer Aniston
You ain't even half of him
Now think fast, now you gotta swallow your pride and blow it out your ass
Without Luda, I maneuver around the states, bitch
While these losers suck on their computers
I'm part of the game, it's this
I ain't sound click, I sound check
To put on a live set and make sure my mic sounds best
Like a M, you just wanna be famous
But this is my band
And no one knows what your name is
You ain't getting no shine from over here
Pimp, you whacking God tracks
But nobody's trying to hear them
You mad and wanna get at the kid
Then bring it, leave your white teeth pink like Cam
I really mean this
All I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Motherfuckers got me twisted
If they don't think I'm the sickest
Most prolific gifted niggas
Stand witness, you don't get the picture
I split it when I spit it
Hand you the difference
And if you don't get it then
You obviously wasn't listening close enough
I open up the arsenal
I'm in the game
Killing shit like Jason Williams
And if I target you
It ain't an accident
Nah
You standing on the sidelines
Screaming faggot shit
Like this ain't my year
Come closer
I get the grease popping on the back of your waves
Your knees locking like it's back in the day
With speech hotter than the punk of the J's
Saying he's not to get you smacked in the face
Yeah
You must not know who you really fucking with
I dodge the hate like I'll leave
You never even touch the kid
I know I'm male and your time has expired
I treat you bitches like apprentice
Fuck it you fired
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Cause all I do is
Give them what they want
And you know I gotta
Give them what they need
All the time
Then you'll make them see
Please believe, ain't no better than me
Yeah
That was that live shit everyone
Run it back, let me hit it one more again
Thank you.