This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs
You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Cereal codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs
This is dedicated to the hackers and criminals
Hey Mark, excuse me, I'm on my way, kinda got hung up
It's raining out here, I'm on my way into Dallas
Jerry's probably gonna be calling you to find out where I'm at
If he can't get a hold of me, I'm sure
So I thought, whoa, whoa
Man, I just had a wreck right in front of me
This guy ran a red light and hit four old ladies in an Impala
Just kinda clipped them, turned them around right in front of me
Man, that was close
Oh, now this guy's getting out of his car
He's got a white shirt on with a tie and a cigarette hanging out of his mouth
Now he's throwing his hands up in the air like it was their fault
Oh, hold on, hold on
He's going over to their window
She's rolling down the window
Oh man, I think she sprayed him with pepper spray, man
He's holding his face and he's on his knee
She's getting out, she's beating him with an umbrella
The other women are getting out too
There's one woman with a little black person
She's kind of hawking him, man
She looks like a Sunbelt 20-horsepower jackhammer
We got another woman that's
She's hitting him like he's got a cattle prod, man
She's got an umbrella and she's sticking it in his side
Oh, there's another one, it's a little woman that looks like Mother Goose
She's got, oh, she's beating him
She's beating him, she's got this U-bit bag
She's got, oh, she's beating him
She's beating him, she's got this U-bit bag
It's huge, it's about the size of her
She's about four foot nothing
She hit him over the head, everything went over the place
Her Bible fell, she just hit him in the head with a Bible
She picked this Bible up
And she lifted it way over her head
It was a hard-backed NVI version
Oh, there's still beating the hell out of this guy
She picked this Bible up
And raised it up above her head
And just beamed the guy
This guy's not getting up
Oh, there's still, oh, gosh
They're still hitting him
The woman with the little black person
Still, all pieces of it
Oh, okay, he's up on the car
The little old woman's just beating him again with that big bag
He's running to his car
He's out of here
Oh, the little baby mother goose woman
She's talking to him as he's driving off
Oh, I wish you would have been here, man
Oh, this is too good
Oh, I don't know
Hello, everybody
And welcome to Binary Revolution Radio
Episode number nine to the zero
We are coming to you on April 5th, 2005
And, yes, we can literally say that this week
Because we are cutting it very, very close
We're on another very, very close release this time
Because, well, I'm old and I need my sleep
So, I had to bail out on our co-host this week
Our co-host, of course, I'll go ahead and announce now
Is actually
I don't know how this ended up being the case
But this is a first-time co-host for you
Is that right?
Yep, this will be the first time
Slip mode
From the In the Now show
A good friend of mine who we've met before
And we've
We worked on a presentation
Or I guess I should say
I made a guest appearance on your presentation at Hope
And we've spoken in the past
I don't know why we've never been able to hook up
And do an episode before
You know, I don't know
I've been really busy
I mean, I still keep in touch with a lot of the people
That are in the community and stuff like that
But yeah, we haven't been on the show
We have done a Radio Freak America together, though
Oh yeah, I think we did a few of those
But I think our schedules
I work all the time
You work all the time
So I'm glad we actually were able to make this one work out
Yeah
So, April 5th, 2005
Episode 90
Oh, and the opening
That you just heard
Before you heard Slip Mode and I
Was an MP3 file
That a friend of mine sent me
It is called voicemail.mp3
You'll probably find it floating around in the web
If you haven't heard it already
It's one of those things that gets passed around
But I thought that was kind of funny
And a pretty good way to open the show
You know, it's always like anything
Phone freak, phone mail related
So I thought that was a funny opening
Yeah, that was hilarious
And also, since we're in the housekeeping section now
I want to remind everyone
Actually, Natus wants me to remind everyone
And I want to remind everyone myself
But Natus made it a point to start working more
And start updating Old School Freak more often
And he says he's getting a lot of scans
That people are sending in
Which is cool and keep sending them in
But he just wanted me to remind people
That it's not only about freaking
Old School Freak
Yes, it is definitely a freaking heavy site
It is mostly about freaking
I won't say mostly
But a lot of it is about freaking
But it's also about a lot of other things
It's always been
Old School Freak has always been a good mix
Of having articles that are about hacking
About freaking
Conspiracy theory
Culture jamming
I know it's something that Dool always found enjoyable
So any topics like that
If you've got articles
Send them to Old School Freak
Send them into Natus
At OldSchoolFreak.com
And again, contact information
On OldSchoolFreak.com
That's O-S-P-P-H-R-E-A-K
And school spelled with a K
S-K-O-O-L
Yeah, and they have a lot of good files
Up there to begin with
So I mean, yeah
Keep contributing
And it's a great place
To have your freaking resources
Yeah, and everything that gets put on Old School Freak
It'll probably take us a while
But because that's also run by DDP
We'll put that stuff over on DocDroppers eventually
But you know what?
It's going to premiere and debut on Old School Freak
So that's the site you really want to watch
To get new articles and new scans
As they're put up
And new items
And not only that
I mean, videos and audio files
And I don't know
I don't know if you were aware of this yet, Slipmoto
We just did this recently
We relaunched Old School Freak
In the form of a podcast from episode one
So people who weren't around
And did not hear all those original great, great episodes
We released it from number one again
For the podcasting community
So people who subscribe to that
Are starting all the way back over with episode one
And they're going every week
With Duel and Rax and Mary Chan
And all the crew
From Radio Freak America
So that's a pretty cool thing
I'm still so excited about that
And apparently it's been very successful
From what I've heard from the Addis
Yeah, I remember reading about that
Yeah, it's, I think episode
As we're recording, I think episode four
It's up to episode four
So it's fairly new, fairly recent
The only other thing I have for housekeeping
And this might take a few minutes
Is, well, this is April 5th
So a few days ago
People might realize that it was April 1st
A.K.A. Pwn Day
I'm sorry, I mean April Fool's Day
Which we took advantage of that day
To play a little prank
To have a little fun, if you will
Some people had more fun than others apparently
But, you know, it's all good
We did a little April Fool's joke here
And actually let me back up
Because there's really
I wish I had some great profound story
And plan and plot that was behind this
But I'm afraid it's not that sinister
So some of you might be disappointed
Frankly, on the night of April 1st
The short version of the story is that
I couldn't sleep
I had a bad case of hacker's insomnia again
I went to bed
It was like 12, 12.30
I couldn't fall asleep
So I got up and do what I always do
Walk into the computer
Finished a couple articles that I was working on
And I think I might
I might talk about those a little bit later
In the show and tell
And then I was sitting there
And I looked in the corner of the clock
At the clock in the corner
And I realized that it was April Fool's Day
So I didn't have any plans whatsoever
I didn't have any intention
I didn't have any big plot or fancy
We've been working on this for months
I wish I could say that
But it's not the case
The case is I was sitting there
I still wasn't ready to go back to sleep
And I figured, you know what?
What the hell?
I'm going to take the farms offline
I took them offline for the day
And I put up a message that said
I don't remember what the exact words were
But it basically said
That the farms have been shut down
And were being investigated
For misuse or something
I don't remember what exactly I put
I made it very short and very vague
And I said
For more information
See stankdog.com
Or I think oldschoolfreak.com
So I just put enough out there
To make people say
What?
Is this a joke?
This is a
First of all
I thought it would be an obvious joke
I mean it's April Fool's Day, right?
I mean am I wrong here?
Yeah
You don't believe anything
On April Fool's Day
So I thought for sure
That like most people
Would just probably be mad
That the forums were down for a day
And they weren't able to come in
And read and post and stuff
I didn't really think
Anybody would buy into it
I thought it would be an obvious
Bad joke
Yeah, every April 1st
I read
Let's see
Gentoo
They do an April 1st joke
They
SlashDot
Always does an April 1st joke
And I like SlashDot
And Gmail does an April 1st joke
Or Google does
Always something interesting going on
Yeah, and I like SlashDots too
Because they do a bunch of them by category
They have a science
A fake science story
A fake
What was there?
It was one about the first
Computer to Human virus
I thought that made me laugh
Yeah
They do one by category
Gentoo said that they were going to release
Gentoo using the Windows NT kernel
And they actually had like
They actually had five or six pages
Developed
They had an FAQ on it
They had an install guide
They had everything but the files
I was reading everything
And went through everything
But you know
The files didn't really exist
Ah, gotcha
See, it's fun
I like the April Fool stuff
So I'm glad we started
Maybe a little tradition
But
So I didn't think it would go anywhere
Well I went over to StankDog.com
And
I just started kind of writing
And freestyling
I figured
You know what
I'm going to try to make it
You know
Somewhat believable and sellable
I still thought for sure
People would see right through it
But I posted
That I was going to be in custody
I'm being taken into custody
That I'm not
Being arrested
But they wanted to question me
About
Something that someone had done
In the forums
And see
This is a little bit of
I really am going to do
A social engineering show one day
But this is just a social engineering tactic
That I took
Of pointing out some things like
Saying that
Playing on what people
On people's fears a little bit
Because people post stuff in the forum
And we've got rules that say
Be careful what you post here
If you don't think the feds
Are not only watching this forum
But every hacking site out there
I mean there's somebody
That could look at any time
And I've mentioned on the show
We have them
Hits in the logs
I'm sure you do as well
From the .govs
And stuff like that
So you know what
I figured I'd play on that fear
A little bit
A little social engineering tactic
And I posted out there
And instead of making me
You know
Oh Stank Dog's been taken into custody
And all this kind of stuff
I kind of twisted it a little bit
And said
I'm just being questioned
Because someone else
In the forums did something
And I left it vague
Because I knew
That a lot of people
In the forums
Are going to wonder
Is it me
Or they're going to wonder
Who is it
You know
So I still didn't think
It would sell real well
But I played that angle
And said that
That I turned over
The database
Of the forums itself
I turned over
The last three months
Logs
Just made up some things
And said that
I was going to be questioned
By different authorities
And I was being bounced around
All day
And I would not be able
To update people
So that gives me
My excuse of why
I don't come back
Or don't post anything
As a follow up
And I put a note
That says
If I am unable
To return and update
The site
I will contact
Natus
Who will update
Oldschoolfreak.com
And the hits
On Oldschoolfreak.com
Also spiked
On April 1st
So for people
Who claim
That they weren't
Buying it
Yeah
Oh no
We didn't buy it
We were just
Playing along
Oh yeah
Then why did
The hits
On the site
Jump so high
Well
I had Natus
Post a little comment
That said
I got a call
From Stankdog
In the middle of the night
I haven't heard
Anything since then
It sounds really bad
I don't know
What's going on
Please
Don't email me
I'll let you know
If I hear news
And people were
IMing DDP members
All day long
And sending emails
And all kinds of stuff
It was hilarious
Some people still knew
Right away
It was a joke
We didn't fool
Some people
But we fooled
Quite a few
So halfway through the day
I decided to turn it up
A notch
And I called Natus
I actually
Yeah I called him
On the phone
And then sent him
A text file
I made a fake
SMS message
I had already
Set up the scenario
And I think
You'll get a kick
Out of this
I had already
Set up the scenario
That I was being questioned
That I wasn't
Really under arrest
So
I sent an SMS message
To
I didn't really
But I sent
I told Natus
To post a comment
That says
He got an SMS message
From me
From my cell phone
It wasn't really the truth
I actually typed it up
In a text file
And mailed it to him
And he put it up
But the text message
Again
You got to think
From a social engineering
Standpoint
How do you sell
Something like this
Well
First of all
People typing SMS messages
On their cell phone
They have a tendency
To abbreviate things
They have a tendency
To skip words
Grammatically incorrect
Just because it helps
Them type faster
Out of pure laziness
And I think
Everybody will admit
That they do that
And sometimes
If your message
Is too long
It will get cut off
If anybody wanted
To be really particular
They could have looked
And realized
That my message
Was cut off
I could have made
A much longer message
I claimed it was
Being cut off
When it really
If they knew
What the limits were
For SMS messaging
They would realize
That I was cutting it off
Too soon
Nobody looked that closely
I don't think
But I sent about
Seven or eight
Different lines
A.k.a.
Different SMS messages
Putting together
This little story
That said something
To the effect of
Natus
I am still being questioned
And of course
I cut off the word
Questioned in the middle
Or something like that
To make it look real
I still have my phone
I am not under arrest
I am sending you
This message
To let you know
That they are not
After me
They are after
Someone in the forums
Who apparently
Posted some kind of code
And I used a bunch
Of short words
To make it look like
A real SMS message
And I had Natus
Post that on
Old School Freak
Saying he just
Got an update
Oh wow
So that just
Set it into motion
Even worse
You know
At this point
I knew
I had gotten
Some emails
And some IMs
I stayed off
Of IM all day
Actually
But other people
Had gotten IMs
They forwarded me
From people
That were starting
To get concerned
So I figured
As long as it's working
And I'm selling it
Let's take it a step further
So I did that
And then it really
Took off even more
Because people just
Didn't know
If we were joking or not
And you know what
Hackers are
Paranoid by nature
So
Exactly
Well
About
And this was
All my lunch break
I did this from work
So
Towards the end of the day
Around 4.30
And I'm getting ready
To go
And leave
I was actually
Getting ready
To go to my 2600 meeting
Oh that's another
Little thing
I put in to sell it
I posted something
On my 2600.com
FL2600.com
In the comments
For the meeting
That says
Sorry guys
I won't be able
To make it
I had some
Serious legal problems
Occur last night
So if anybody
Yeah
So if anybody
Did any research
To try to see
If it was fake
I gave them
That comment
So they'll be like
Oh my god
He's not going
To his meeting
I was really
Selling it
At this point
So
The last thing
I did
Was around
4.30
I hopped
On IRC
And the
BinRev channel
On irc.esper.net
Channel
Binrev
And I thought
I'd just
Kind of sit
And listen
I went in
Under a fake name
Listened for a few minutes
To see what was
Going on
And here
Actually I'm going
To tell you
A little funny story
Here
I'm going to
Actually
Pwn somebody
On the air
Here that doesn't
Know any better
I went on there
Under a fake name
And I just started
Kind of listening
To everybody
And it was
You know
It was a lot of
A lot of bravado
Going on
Oh it's not real
It's all fake
But what if this
And what if that
You know
They were all saying
They don't believe it
But they were
You should have heard
The way they were talking
People were wiping
Their hard drives
And deleting files
And shredding things
And stuff like that
Oh man
Well
I should back up
Just a little bit
And let everybody know
That the forums
Were down
To normal members
But moderators
And DDP members
Still have access
To the forums
And admins
So
The whole time
That you guys
Are out there
Wondering what's going on
We're inside
Laughing our asses
Off at you
We were posting
Messages in there
About ideas
Of let's sell it worse
And let's do this
So
Everybody was in on it
So if you want to
Get mad only at me
No no no
Get mad at Black Ratchet
Get mad at
Everybody
That was playing along
Natus knew
Everybody knew
What was going on
The whole time
Droops was selling it
Real well
So
In IRC
I see Black Ratchet
Is in there
And he's selling it
Playing along
Hack and Slash
Is in there
And Droops
I think was in there
For a little bit
But the funny thing
Is that none of them
Knew that I was in there
Because I had come in
Under a fake name
And so people want to know
What name I was in there
Under
Well the name I went in
I just
First thing that popped
Into my head
Was Jamie Madrox
A.K.A.
The Multiple Man
If anybody reads
The old X Factor comics
And I figured
I'm playing somebody
Different
A Multiple Man
It fits
So I was Jamie Madrox
So if any of you
Have logs
You can go back
And look
And I started
Playing to the Paranoid
I came in as though
I was this paranoid
Hacker
And I'm like
Oh my god
What's happened
What's going on
Is this real
Or is it an
April Fool's joke
I started playing
The Paranoid Hacker part
And I was again
SE-ing
Just playing along
Trying to
Plant seeds
In people's heads
And I started
Making up all these
Stories about how
I had a record
And they were coming
After me
And I posted something
And if I get busted
I'm going to prison
And I was going to
Run for the border
So I was really
Selling it
So hack and slash
See the first thing
I did was
When I got on there
I called Black Ratchet
On the phone
And I told him
I said hey
I'm Jamie Madrox
By the way
I just joined
And I'm lurking
To see what's going on
So I want to let you
Know it's me
So he and I
Were chatting
Well
Did you do anything
To disguise your host
I didn't
Did anybody recognize
Your previous host
No exactly
I did not
And I can't believe
That somebody
Didn't look that up
Now people
Might not have
Known the host
I was coming from
At work
I'll give it that
But somebody
Would have
Noticed it was
Coming from Florida
And should have
Caught on to that
And I expected it
And I was
Already ready
I was prepared
To bail
If that happened
But yes
Nobody picked up
On that
I was shocked
At that
So
It would have
Resolved to
Something
A little bit
Confusing anyway
But that's another
Story
But the second
Thing I did
Is after letting
Black Ratchet
Know
I sent a private
Message to
Hack and Slash
And I think
I just said
Something like
Peekaboo
I see you
I figured that
Was a hint
To let him know
That it's me
That's a weird
Thing to say
Right
Who's going to
Send a message
That says
Peekaboo
I see you
His response
Was
Well duh
It's IRC
Or something
Like that
So I'm like
You dumbass
You don't get
That I'm trying
To tell you
It's me
I can't come out
And say it's me
Because I don't
Know if he's
Really Hack and Slash
Somebody else
Could be using
His handle
Right
Yeah
I figured
You know what
I'm going to
Mess with
Hack and Slash
Too
So as far
As he knew
He was talking
To somebody
Named Jamie
Madrox
Hack and Slash
I'm sorry
To pone you
On the air
Buddy
But that was
Me the whole
Time
Sending you
Private messages
Talking about
What an asshole
Stank was
And how I was
Going to kick
His ass
When I saw
Him
And that it
Was not a joke
And that I
Was going to
Mexico
And freaking
Out
Hack
Sorry man
That was me
Buddy
So anyway
I played along
I was out in
The IRC
For a channel
For a while
And I kept
Posting things
To stir people
Up like
Hey do you
Think it has
Anything to do
With this
Or what about
That one time
That
And I'm just
Planting seeds
Because people
Pick up on them
And then go
You know what
Yeah maybe that's it
Oh you may be right
After I planted
Enough seeds
I just left
And I let it
Simmer for the rest
Of the day
I went to my
2600 meeting
I went to go
See Sin City
After which
Which by the way
Have you seen
Did you see Sin City
No I haven't had
Chance to
I want to go see it though
What an awesome movie
That was a very
Very cool movie
Too many nut shots
But other than that
It was a good movie
So I saw that
I got home
About two in the morning
I turned the forms
Back on
And went to bed
And let everybody
Know that it was a joke
So I hope everybody
Had fun
It was a joke
I know some people
Got a little mad
That it wasn't funny
Or poor taste
Or whatever
And you know
And the people
Who sent me emails
Thinking it was real
I appreciate it
People were actually
Concerned
And I felt bad
About that
But you know what
It was all in fun
I think everybody
Understands that
So we'll see
What we can pull off
Next year
It's going to be
A lot more difficult
Next year though
You didn't do anything
For Slipnet?
No
No actually
You know I haven't
Gotten into that
In doing that
But that's
That's probably
A good idea to do
We don't have
A lot of like
You know
Because we
Well we do have
A forum on there
Yeah
But we don't have
A lot of like
You know
Constantly changing pages
And stuff like that
It's you know
Most of the updates
Are for the shows
And then of course
Like you know
People posting to the forums
But I haven't thought
Of doing that
Might be
We might have to
Collaborate
Might be a surprise
Next year
Yeah we might have
To collaborate next year
Same thing we did
With Old School Freak
We might just have to
Work together
And sell one big
Total thing
So Mark
Here it is
You're getting a
One year notice
If you forget
One year from now
And get owned again
You've been warned
It's all their fault
Exactly
Alright well
Let's see
I think it's email time
And our first email
This week
Comes from Parish
Parish says
Dear Stinklog
Apparently Parish
There has a little
Typing problem
It's Stankdog
But okay
Stinklog
We'll go with that
Ratchet is so right
About speak easy
These folks are
Very knowledgeable
And Unix friendly
They know how to
Hammer the telcos
To get a resolution
Quick
Which I've needed
To take advantage
Of on two occasions
During either
Of those two issues
They had
Kovad SBC techs
In my driveway
Within 36 hours
I recommend
Their one link
Six megabit
RADSL lines
Which go for
About a hundred bucks
And don't require
Bell service
Well that's cool
Since my physical
Line issues were resolved
I've only had about
Two hours of scheduled
Downtime in the past
Six months
Kudos on the past
Few shows
Hack TV
And all of the sites
Keep up the bad work
Alright Parish
We will keep
Right on
Sucking the joint up
Because you
The listeners
Demanded it
We suck
Because you ask for it
That should be
Our new motto
As I have a little sip
Of grape soda there
I don't know why
I'm on a grape soda kick
But
Grape soda is good stuff
I loved it
When I was a kid
And ever since
Interzone
I've been on a
Grape soda kick
I know
It's weird
Because all the
Machine hand
I go through
Soda phases
I'm loyal to
Like a certain
Soda for a while
It was
Mountain Dew
It went to
Gatorade
Now it's
Lipton tea
You know
The sweet
Lipton tea
Yeah
Oh and I'm glad
You know
That's a
This is a weird
Tangent
Non-technical
Tangent
I'm going off on here
But while I was up
In
Interzone
Which was in
Atlanta
And I know
You weren't able
To make it
But I know
You had
Rocket
On the show
Yeah
We did interview
With Rocket
Which was very cool
I listened to that
While I was up
There in Atlanta
Well the reason
I'm on the
Grape soda kick
Is because they
Had a vending
Machine there
And everything
Was sold out
Except the
Diet stuff
And the
Grape soda
And I don't
Drink diet
I don't do
Diet
Nasty
So I
Started drinking
Grape soda
And I've been
On a kick
Ever since
But the other
Cool thing about
Atlanta
That I love
And I miss
About being
In the south
Is every
Restaurant has
Sweet iced tea
And specifically
You mentioned
The Lipton iced tea
The bottled stuff
The stores in the south
Meaning not Florida
Unfortunately
The stores up in the south
Have something called
Southern style
Extra sweet
In the bottles
And it's the same tea
It's just a little bit
Sweeter than
Than normal
And oh
I loved having that
While I was up there
For those couple of days
I got
Voodoo Hal actually
Brought me a bottle
Back when he went down
On a beer run
Brought me back
Some extra sweet
Lipton iced tea
And I
I wanted so bad
To just bring a couple
Cases back home with me
Because they don't
Have it down here
How can it be a
Lipton
It's just like in Arizona
We have a few things
That are
You know
Little local
Kind of like
Hispanic drinks
And food and candy
And stuff like that
That yeah
You don't really find
Anywhere
When I went to Florida
I mean I couldn't
Even find a Mexican joint
It was even impossible
Yeah
Well we have a lot of
Spanish foods
In restaurants
But not Mexican
We have
It's
You know
They have different
Styles down here
And yeah
There's some
Different drinks
I've tried
Some at Malta
And stuff like that
Ugh
I can't stand it
Anyway
You know
We did this last week
We went on a
Soft drink tangent
Last week
And again this week
I guess
Hackers and soft drinks
Have a link
Or something
I guess
My favorite
Hispanic drink
Would be
Mochaca
Which it's
It's kind of
It's like rice milk
It's
It sounds kind of
Discussing
Rice milk
But it
It tastes
Really good
It's
Real sweet
Have you ever
Tried that
Banana
Soat
Banana
Flavored soda
The carbonated
Stuff
Oh
That's nasty
Oh
Yuck
Oh
That's nasty
Oh
It's bad stuff
You put it here now
No banana
Flavored soda
Well somebody might like it
But I don't
I couldn't
I didn't like it
Okay
Alright
Anyway
Let's go back
On to some tech topics
Here
And actually
This is a good
This email is related
To the previous one
Tom in Chicago
Writes
Dear Stank Dog
I'm about halfway
Through listening
To episode 89
And I wanted to add
To Black Ratchet's
Props to Speakeasy
For their tech support
I've had Speakeasy
For about three or four years now
And they have
The best tech support
I've ever had to deal with
And I used to work
With tech support
They're the only group
That will admit
If they do not know
What the cause of a problem
Could be
And if they did
And if they didn't
Know the answer
They will get back to you
With solution
Fairly quickly
I've had a couple of issues
With my DSL lines
Over the year
And each time
If they had to call me back
They did
Sometimes I would even
Get two callbacks
Anyway
Just wanted to add
Props to Speakeasy
And I am one of the listeners
That love this show
Can't wait for the new issue
Of Binary Revolution
To be released
I have the first two
Keep up the great work
If you have the first two
You're actually missing
A third one
We have three issues
Of the magazine
That are released
And a fourth one
That is
Getting closer
Trust me
I promise you
It's getting closer
But I think
The moral here
And I think
We'll put this to bed
It sounds like
We have a consensus
That Speakeasy
Has kick-ass tech support
Yeah
Actually
Speakeasy
If I'm correct
I believe they're owned
By a company
Called PeerGig
And actually
PeerGig
Is here in
Phoenix
And they are
An ISP
Well
I don't know
If they own it
But I know
That they host
Speakeasy's
Servers here
When you go
To SourceForge
And you want to
Grab something
And you'll see
Phoenix, Arizona
They have one
That's down there
And I've been
In their facility
It's awesome
They have
Seven gigabits
Of bandwidth
Wow
Seven gigabits
They have
I think they have
They use about
Four or five
Different carriers
For redundancy
And they've been
In their facility
And it's
It's pretty amazing
Yeah
If you've never
Been in a big
ISP
And a big
Backbone provider
Big ISP
Provider
And not that I
I have to admit
I've never been
Into a big one
But I mean
I worked for a company
That had a very
Large data center
And I've seen
I mean
I love
A good computer room
To me
It's like a work of art
Having the raised floors
And the air conditioning
And the water detection
And the
Car
And the halon
And all that
Kind of stuff
We had a
Just a wonderful
Wonderful data center
And the company
I used to work for
And I know
What it's like
In a small data center
I would just marvel
To see one of the
Large data centers
Go to like
I'm not sure
Like servermatrix.com
Or
Oneinone.net
Go to their website
And I think
Most of the big ones
Offer pictures
Of their data center
And some of the insides
And take a look
I mean
It's just such a
Cool visual
It's just such a
Cool thing to look at
To me
Yeah
I've been in that one
And I've been in
AT&T's data center
Down here
And it's just insane
You just like
You walk by the machine
And you just wonder
What the hell
Like runs on all this stuff
Like one area
Was just like
You know
All sun equipment
And just like
Blades and everything
And it was just
You know
Wall to wall
Just sun
And I saw another area
That had
At least
300 dell servers
And they're just all
On a rack
Sitting up there
And I'm thinking
And I'm like
What do they do
You know
With all this
We had a web server
That I used to run
That was down
At one of these places
And we got it
And you have
You know
There's the
Handprint detection
Mechanism over at
AT&T
That they use
To get in there
And then
You know
Your ID's
And all that stuff
And there's
You know
There's
There's a handprint
That you have to do
Just to get into
To one area of doors
And then you got to
Do it again
To get into the next
And
And yeah
We walk around
And look at everything
It's
It's pretty crazy
And then over at
The
Pure gig site
You see all these
You know
Fiber lines
Just coming in
They had about
I think
Yeah
About five or six
Fiber lines
Coming
And then they have
These devices
That do fail over
For the fiber
And everything like that
One line goes down
And it automatically
Switch over to the next one
And
You know
And they had
I think
I think the guy
Said that they had
Forty-three
Security cameras
You know
And it's all
Backed up
I think they could
Back up
They said
Three months worth
Of video
You know
They had their own
Diesel
Backup generator
But then they had
These huge
You know
Battery backups
To where
If the power
Went out
Had run off
The battery
Backup
Enough time
For the generator
To kick in
They had a chiller
Unit
They had
You know
It's just amazing
They've got
Everything in these places
And it's just
You look at it
It's kind of amazing
One thing I did find
Though
I found one little
Security problem
And I won't say
Which one it was
But they had
A power strip
You get a power strip
That goes for each
Little cage
The power strip
Had a reset button
On it
So
Is that a reset
For the
When I spoke
To the guy
I said
Look
I said
This power strip
It's right on the
Edge of the cage
I said
If somebody wants
To come over
And hit that
Reset button
That's it
It drops it
And
So that's
That's kind of
An insecurity
Right there
Is having a little
Reset button
So if you have
Whatever redundancy
You have
Power wise
It's usually
They usually rely
On the building
They don't
They don't really
Rely on
Putting their own
Battery back up
In there
So you pop that
Button
And it cycles
With power
So it's not
Very good
To have that
And some people
Would argue about
The biometrics
With the handprints
Or whatever
To get in the building
You know
Those have been
Proven to have
Some vulnerability
But you know
What the thing is
Is that you're not
Relying on that
And that alone
It's just
You know
Physical security
Is DDR
Detect
Delay
Detect
And respond
So
Yeah
The key fobs
You just wave
The wand
Next to that
I don't know
Which one I'd like
Better
But the
The AT&T one
Seems a little
Bit more secure
But you know
Either way
It's going to be
Tough to get in there
Right
So it's a combination
Of all of those
Things
Detect delay
Response
And just delay
Them from getting in
Until you do
Detect them
Or find them
And then
Respond to them
So you know
What it's
It's all those
Things combined
And it's a good
Thing
And the reason
They probably have
All those Dells
Now that you
Mention that
Is for storage
Of all that
Damn 43 cameras
Worth of data
Oh yeah
Yeah
Well that was
Over at
That was over
AT&T
And that was
Just one of
Their clients
But usually
Yeah when I
See large
Things like that
You know
All I do
Is think of
Storage
You know
Or maybe
They're
You know
Maybe
Maybe they're
A hosting company
And they're
Actually using
AT&T
As their
You know
Their pipe
You know
So maybe
Those are all
You know
Little web servers
And stuff like that
Right
Yeah I
Actually
Just to jump in
Have you seen
How Gmail's
Counting up
Its megabytes
That your
Storage capacity
Yeah
That was
Pointed out
And I think
They started it
Like around
April 1st
Or something
Because didn't
They start Gmail
On April 1st
And everybody
Thought it was
A joke
A gigabyte
Of storage
For email
And everybody
Thought that was
The email joke
Or that was
The April Fool's
Joke
And it wasn't
And this year
For the one year
Anniversary
They bumped it
Up to two
And everybody
Thought that was
The joke
No
It's not only
Two
But it's climbing
Two gigs
And 60 megabytes
It was counting
Really fast
And actually
Now they
I think they
Added like
Another decimal
Or so
And they
They slowed it
Down
But it's
It's like
It's counting
Forever
I mean
It's kind of
Interesting
Yeah
It is
It's
And if you
Read their fact
They're basically
Saying
If we could
We would just
Put it completely
Unlimited
But the point
They're trying
To get across
Is
Think of it
As unlimited
We're going
To keep adding
It as long
As long as
There's demand
And need for it
As long as
People keep using it
They can justify
Buying it
Or upgrading it
I guess
Is what their
Point is
Yeah
Because they say
Gmail stands for
Growth mail
Actually is what
They say
Oh
I never heard that
Before
That's interesting
Yeah
I read on their site
Yeah
I went through
The whole FAQ
And everything
Like that
G I guess
Stands for
Growth
Oh
I don't
Remember
Seeing that
Interesting
Alright
Well let's
Go through
Some more
Emails here
Let's burn
Through a few
Of these
We're
Getting into
The show
Pretty deep
Here
Next email
Here comes
From
Super
Is that right
I think
Yeah
It says
In the last
Show
Doug
Was asking
About
Setting
Okay hold on
A second
Here
Last show
Okay it's
Kind of hard
When people
Say last
Show
Because I
Don't know
Which one
They've listened
To or
If they're
Caught up
To the
Most recent
One
Last show
Was Doug
Asking about
Setting multiple
TCP flags
In a single
Packet
Such as
In the case
Of a
Send
Plus
Act
Response
On a
Send packet
And half
Open scans
I don't
Think that
Was episode
Doug was on
Episode 88
And I don't
Think we
Talked about
That on 88
With Doug
Doug's
Probably
Has no clue
What we're
Talking about
Here
That's probably
Black Ratchet
And I
Talking about
This on 89
Last week
I think
Unless I
Just forgot
About it
But
Anyway
Let me
To continue
This is
Possible
Using
This is
Possible
Because the
Flags in
The TCP
Header
Is a
Bit
Mask
You can
Set as
Many of
The flags
As you
Want
In an
Nmap
Christmas
Scan
All of
The flags
Are set
The
PSH
Or
Push
Is used
To regulate
Buffering
On the
Receiving
End
The data
Accumulating
From the
TCP
Stream
May be
Held
In kernel
Memory
Buffers
Before being
Delivered to
The userland
Application
The push
Flag
Forces
This
Delivery
I enjoy
Your show
And keep
Up the
Good
Work
Hope
This
Helps
Alright
Super
Thank you
Very much
For clearing
That up
I do
Appreciate
The
Anytime
We're
Not clear
On something
Or there's
A question
Out there
By all
Means
Feel free
To email
And either
Point out
A mistake
Or help
Explain something
Better
If we didn't
Go into it
In detail
Or if we
Glossed over
Something
And didn't
Touch it
At all
Always welcome
Email from
People that
Want to add
To it
Or give us
Some tips
And stuff
Like that
You know
One thing
To doing
The half
Opens
Were just
The sin
Act
And then
You don't
You know
There's a sin
You send a sin
And it says
Act that you
Got to send
And then
You send an
Act back
Saying you
Got to
Act
But when
You do
The sin
Act
And it
Is a
Half
Open
That's
Actually
Another
Way
Of doing
Like a
Denial
Of
Service
Is to
Run
Their
Buffer
Up
With
Open
Connections
And you
Never
Close
Them
Well
That was
Like the
Original
Those
Were
Like the
First
Of the
First
The first
Ones
That ever
Came out
That was
It
That's
What they
Did
And then
They kind
Of expanded
The definition
Of denial
Of service
To being
Any type
Of denial
Of service
Which makes
Sense
I do like
The definition
But the
Very first
Ones
That defined
The term
Were exactly
What you
Described
Yep
So
Let's see
The next
Email
Comes from
Booter
Booter says
Among a few
Other things
I trimmed out
A couple
Things that have
Already been
Said
But
This
This part
Here
This pertains
To Yahoo
Tech support
Only
Below
Is the
Easiest
Way
To reach
A supervisor
Inform the
Agent that
You need
To speak
With a
Supervisor
And then
Verify all
The information
On the
Account that
The agent
Asks for
Please note
That you
Will only
Get a
Supervisor
If you
Have a
Site hosted
By Yahoo
Keep that
In mind
That's a
Good little
Tip to
Know
In case
Any social
Engineering
Or something
You might
Want to
Do
That's
The only
Way
You're
Going to
Get to
A supervisor
Is to
Say that
To the
First
Level
People
So
That's
A good
Little
Tip
I'm
Sorry
I said
That
Not him
I want to
Get him
In trouble
The easiest
Way to
Get your
Situation
Resolved
Is to
Be nice
To the
Agent
No matter
How pissed
Off you
Are
Yelling
And cussing
At the
Agent
Will only
Get your
Call
Glorified
Also
Known
As
Released
I guess
That's
A special
Term
Internally
Is to
Call it
Glorified
And
Buddha
Goes on
To
Say
Same
Goes
For when
You
Speak
To a
Supervisor
They
Are
More
Release
Happy
Than
The
Agents
If
There
Is
Something
They
Can
Do
About
It
Then
They
Will
Do
It
However
They
Don't
Have
Contact
With
Their
Engineers
So
If
Your
Shit
Has
Been
Escalated
And
They
Can't
Answer
Your
Question
Don't
Get
Pissed
It
Is
Out
Of
Their
Hands
All right
Booter
Thank
You
That
Is
A
Very
Interesting
Tip
That
Is
Good
To
Know
And
As
I
Said
Before
That
Could
Be
Come
In
Handy
For
Some
Social
Engineering
For
Whatever
reason
If
You
Ever
Can't
Get
Satisfied
From
The
Initial
Agent
That
Is
On
The
Phone
You
May
Have
To
Trick
Your
Way
To
Get
A
Supervisor
On
The
Phone
Now
Even
Allegedly
They're
Only
Supposed
To
Help
If
You
Have
A
Site
Hosted
By
Yahoo
Maybe
Once
You
Get
Them
On
The
Phone
You
Can
Then
Press
Your
SE
Skills
A
Little
Bit
More
To
Try
To
Get
Them
To
Help
You
Anyway
So
That
Is
A
Good
Tip
Thank
You
Very
Much
Is
That
Was
It
About
A
Year
Back
Or
Didn't
The
New
York
Times
Put
A
Listing
Of
The
Codes
To
Put
If
You
Call
Up
Certain
Tech
Supports
To
Certain
Companies
To
Get
Straight
To
The
Human
Being
And
Pass
The
Whole
Voice
System
I
Don't
Remember
The
New
York
Times
Doing
I
Know
That
They
Have
Seen
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
On
The
Web
Before
Historically
I
Haven't
Seen
One
Recently
But
I
Think
These
Days
Yeah
I
Don't
Remember
The
People
Out
There
That
Do
Publish
The
Quick
Way
To
Get
Past
Voice
Systems
To
Get
Yourself
To
Human
To
That
Is
Cool
You
Know
If
There
Is
Anybody
Listening
That
Has
Like
A
Fairly
Recent
One
Or
A
Site
That
Has
That
On
It
Email
Us
I
Would
Like
To
See
I
Do
Remember
Seeing
It
A
Long
Time
Back
I'm
Just
Curious
As
If
Somebody
Still
Maintains
Or
Up
Keeps
Anything
Like
That
These
Days
Yeah
That
Could
Be
Very
Interesting
Because
For
The
Most
Part
I
Think
Everybody
Knows
You
Try
To
Hit
Operator
You
Learn
Those
Type
Things
And
They
Hide
It
Even
Further
You
Know
They
Make
You
Go
One
More
Level
Deeper
And
Then
I
Found
That
The
Zero
Didn't
Work
The
First
Level
But
Now
The
Second
Level
It
Works
It
Is
Kind
Of
The
War
To
Beat
The
Machine
And
Get
To
The
Human
You
Know
Yeah
I
Still
Have
A
Couple
Tricks
That
I
Don't
Try
On
A
dos
The
Other
Trick
Is
To
Just
Pound
The
Hell
At
The
Numbers
On
The
Keypad
It
Over
Loads
I guess in a weird, not a DOS, but it overloads the system, confuses it, and it bumps you out to an operator because it doesn't know what the hell you want at this point.
You press so many numbers in such rapid succession that it doesn't try to do it through the computer, and it sends you out to a real operator.
So that's two other tricks that I use a lot, and they are very successful still.
So there's a little useful information on the show.
How about that?
How'd that skew me?
How'd we let that happen?
Oh, okay.
So let's see.
The next email here comes from Cypress.
Cypress says, to my digital dog and his co-host, that would be Slip Mode, I just wanted to give you my opinion on your show.
I hate emails that start like that already usually go bad right away.
But this one doesn't.
He says, episode 89 was amazing.
I really loved how you guys had fun, and it wasn't all just tech.
I personally enjoyed your fine conversation on soft drinks.
I am a Coke guy myself.
Oh, boo.
Coke.
As for a C...
I actually am a Pepsi guy.
Really?
I'm not...
Honestly, I'm not...
I'm just teasing.
I'm not that particular...
I mean, I drink RC.
I'm from the South, man.
RC Cola, man.
Yeah.
You know?
So there are...
Actually, I don't drink enough to really tell that big of a difference.
I guess I probably do like...
I probably like Pepsi, RC Pepsi, better than Coke, but I'm not like I'm...
Don't care either way.
I can tell the difference.
If they send me down for...
Remember those old Pepsi challenges when we were kids?
Yeah.
Where they hide the Coke and Pepsi?
Oh, I could always tell which one was which.
I can tell the taste of them both.
I don't really...
Oh, yeah.
I don't prefer one over the other one exactly, but I can tell the difference.
I think Coke, to me, tastes a little, like, harsher.
You can feel the bubble a little bit more than the Pepsi.
Yeah, I think so.
And the Pepsi's a little sweeter, I think, but...
Yeah, this is...
This is like the soft one.
We need to make a spin-off show.
I'm so mindy.
What's your choice for hacker sodas?
Jolt Cola.
Hackers everywhere, right?
That's the cliché drink.
We all drink Jolt.
Jolt and Mountain Dew.
I think those are the big clichés, right?
Mm-hmm.
Truth be told, most hackers are shit-faced drunk drinking alcohol.
At least at the conferences, the conventions.
Oh, let's see.
Those, of course, who are of legal drinking age,
we do not condone underage drinking on Binary Revolution Radio.
Don't sue me.
Anyway, where was I here?
Oh, as for the CEH, I enjoyed you reading the questions.
Is there a website where you can get those preview questions?
Also, can you take the test online?
Finally, how much does it cost to take the CEH exam?
Of course, CEH is Certified Ethical Hacker, is what the CEH exam.
Keep up the great show, and please ignore all the haters who be hatin' on you.
All right.
Thank you, Cypress.
First of all, a little bit of Googling is going to find you those questions.
I mean, come on now.
You can find plenty of sample questions out there,
and some downloadable exams,
some simulation exams that you can download and install
that have questions built into them.
The exam itself is computerized, yes.
So, can you take it online?
Yeah, it is an online exam.
However, you have to take it from a certified testing center.
You can't just sit at home and take it.
You actually have to go to an authorized place,
just like any other certification,
whether it's Oracle certification, Microsoft, Cisco, whatever.
However, most of those, you're going to have to go to an authorized agency,
an authorized company, and take the exam there on site.
They have to be certified.
So, this one is no different.
But once you get there, ironically,
you will then connect to the website and take the test remotely.
It's a controlled environment, of course,
because they know they have proxies there that are watching you
to make sure you're not cheating.
They have people on site.
They have all the equipment and stuff set up and prepared and ready to go.
So, it is a controlled environment.
But technically, yes, you're taking the test remotely on the,
like, for example, EC Council servers.
So, and what else did you ask?
Oh, the test itself is like around, I think, $150.
And, of course, that's going to, I guess that's going to vary.
I don't know if some schools charge more,
but I think that's the official price, I think, is $140 or $150 from EC Council.
And the classes, however, that's where the big money is.
The classes, especially like the boot camp ones
where they try to cram it all into five days, non-stop, all-day stuff,
which is what I've been exposed to.
The classes can run, and, of course, this does vary from school to school,
place to place, et cetera, et cetera, a lot of other factors.
Sometimes who's teaching the class?
Some people have better reputations than others.
You get instructors that have been teaching it for a while.
You know, it might be worth it.
They might cost a little bit more,
but it might be worth it to take it from them.
But they run anywhere from $4,000 to $8,000, I think I've seen as high,
and maybe even more.
I haven't really looked into it too much.
So that ought to give you a little bit of information.
And I do, I mean, I've said this on the show before,
and slip mode, I don't know if you'll agree with me or disagree with me on this,
but I've always said that any type of education is good, it's positive, no matter what.
Certification's great.
College education, taking night classes, all of it is helpful and great.
However, put a little bit of perspective into this.
This is called certified ethical hacking.
Who is it certified by?
Like, for example, if you get a Microsoft certification,
it's certified and backed by Microsoft.
If you get an Oracle certification, it's Oracle that certifies and backs it up.
They make the questions, they make sure people aren't doing what they want to be done.
In the case of the CEH, who is certifying it?
And do you care or trust what their certification is coming from?
To me, and I've said this before, so we won't go too long into this,
if DDP certified a hacking test, I would have some faith in it.
I would know that we have guys looking at it that are hackers,
that know what they're doing, that have the experience,
and that would carry more value to me personally.
This is not certified by anybody that has any credibility as far as I'm concerned.
Now, again, I'm not putting it down.
It is still something good to have, and I encourage people to do it.
You'll learn a lot from it.
Just put it in perspective.
It does look good on your resume.
It does carry weight in the industry,
especially if you're looking for penetration testing jobs or security jobs.
It is definitely valuable in those realms.
But as far as on a personal note, to me, it's kind of like being a certified,
I can't even make a comparison, certified driving instructor from somebody who only knows how to ride a motorcycle.
You know, it doesn't quite – I can't make a good example.
Am I making any sense at all?
No, I understand what you're saying.
I mean, yeah, it's just you want to make sure that there's – you know, that there's –
I mean, every certification, like, for instance, like the CISSP, I mean, to make it, you know,
certified information system security professional, they do something where you have to have at least minimum four years' experience
in that realm to even apply to see if you can take the test.
Right.
And I think actually every year, every two years, something like that, I think you have to, like, get in touch with them
and let them know, like, have you been keeping up on it and stuff like that.
Or, like, you know, the CCNA, Cisco Certified Network Associate, that, you know, you have to retake that every three years.
So some of these people have – they're not only accredited, but they've also required you to do something deeper
to give even, you know, the certification, like, more worth, you know, minimum four years' experience,
you know, retake the test every three years, you know, to see that you're not outdated, you know, and stuff like that.
Right, right, that's good.
But you definitely want to make sure there's some importance to it, stuff like that,
because it's definitely a reputation thing.
And if you're a part of that reputation or whatever that, you know, certification is,
you want it to boost your, you know, your resume and stuff like that.
And that's really what it's all about.
So Stake's, you know, talking about making sure that it's really in line with what things should be to boost your image and resume.
Right.
I just want to clarify expectations, basically.
Just know what you're getting in for.
Know what the value of it is to others, which is a lot.
But just, it didn't have a lot for me, personally, because it felt kind of, who are they?
You know what?
I felt I was pretty certified as a hacker before I took this thing, you know?
I didn't really feel like I had to prove anything and take a test to get that.
So, on a personal note.
However, yes, it's definitely great to have in the industry.
And, you know, I've also been on the tangent before about what constitutes ethical.
Because hacker ethics are different than the ethics that the business world teaches.
And the business world makes this exam, so they're forcing their ethics onto you.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's a whole other tangent.
Yeah, so that's kind of like, yeah, mixing into a little bit of kind of politics of what, you know, what that really is.
Yeah.
All right, well, let's burn through here.
We're starting to get behind in the email.
Let's jump through these and then get to our main topic tonight.
I've got two more emails.
The first one comes from Zero Byte.
Zero Byte says,
On one of your older shows, you received an email stating that one could obtain a free AS400 shell from www.texas400.com.
Well, I checked it out, gave the guy a call, and I'm now freely plugging away at an AS400 shell.
Between the tutorials on the texas400.com website and your downloadable speech on the introduction to AS400, there's an abundance of information for even the lame person to begin learning this seemingly complicated OS.
Thanks for introducing me to yet another new technology venture and keep up the great work.
Now, see, this is like, I love this email because, to get corny, I mean, I just, I love this email.
I did a presentation on this because not many people know about it, and it's not so much an AS400 thing like I'm trying to get everybody on the AS400 or anything.
It's just that it's another thing that I found interesting that I wish there was more information on.
That's why I wrote the article.
That's why I've made the presentation.
I share the presentation on that article.
Maybe I should do an article, but I made the presentation, played the MP3 on the show, because I wanted people to know it's out there, and I was hoping someone else would find it as interesting as I did.
And knowing that at least one person actually followed up on it makes it completely worthwhile.
It justified any of the time and all of the time that I spent, even if this one person followed up and actually gets into learning something new.
Even if it's just for the short term, for the new factor of it, just to try it out.
The fact that you're willing to do it totally makes it worthwhile, absolutely, and I hope you like it.
And feel free to email us.
Contact me if there's any questions or anything.
I can try to help you.
It's been a few years since I've been out of the 400, unfortunately, but I can try to help you as much as I can, so feel free to contact me on that.
And our last email this week comes from Neil.
Neil says,
Hey, Stank, just a quick email to say thanks for all the shows.
Like many others, I've come across the show more or less by accident, but then trawled through the archives and found lots of interesting and entertaining content.
The reason I finally decided to write in is that I've heard the Real Player Sucks topic come up a few times, and I know of a solution.
Well, I have a solution, too.
Don't use Real, but yours is better, though.
Just Google for Real Alternative, and you should be able to find a player that plays Real Audio and Video just fine.
Seems to be an old version of Windows Media Player.
There is also a QuickTime Alternative same deal.
Hopefully, this will ease your suffering.
Cheers, and keep up the good work.
Yeah, I hate Real.
I've always hated Real.
I always will.
But the reality of Real, unfortunately, is that some sites use it, and if you want to see the content, you have to have the damn player installed.
And I hate it, so...
I honestly will not download that player for the life of me.
I hate it.
If there's something on there, even if I really want it, I'm like, you know what?
No, I'm not going to download it.
It's horrible.
The quality's horrible.
It's always buffering.
It's just terrible.
And the spyware, they went through...
Supposedly, they're spyware-free now, I've heard.
But they went through a while there where their thing was loaded with spyware.
It's ridiculous.
But it's good to know that there's an alternative.
An old version of media player may play it.
So I might look into that.
I don't know if it'll peacefully coexist with a new version of media player.
I guess if you just put it in a different directory, just the .exe file or something.
I actually have an old program that they...
It's called Streambox Ripper and RealMedia.
Yeah.
They had attacked this company for making this program, which allowed...
It basically converted real audio files into MP3s.
So I used to do a lot of converting for that.
Their newer version of Real, though, their newest codec or whatever you want to call it that they use...
It doesn't work with this program, but older stuff, I used to use that to convert it all the time over to MP3s.
Is that program still maintained?
Will they possibly update it to work with a new codec or...?
No.
That company, actually, they used to have it on the web.
And this is probably about three years ago.
And it did work probably up until, like, last year.
I don't remember which version now that it stopped working on.
But they actually had, like, a cease and desist, you know, to stop having this program on their website,
saying that it was, you know, violating their intellectual property and made them take the program off their website.
So I actually found it, you know, somewhere out there in Russia, you know, and downloaded it.
Right.
Well, yeah, it's always going to be out there.
Once it's released on the Internet, it's out there.
Yeah.
Just got to know where to look.
All right.
Well, let's wrap up the mailbag there.
And, you know what, this was a good week for mail because we got a lot of tips from people.
You know, tips about RealPlayer and tips about, well, Speakeasy, backing up what their great tech support is,
and Yahoo Tech support.
We got a lot of good tips this week.
That's good stuff.
I like emails like that.
Let's do a quick show and tell.
I'll try to – I actually have been working on a lot of stuff this past couple weeks.
But let's do a quick show and tell, and then we've got maybe 20 minutes or so to talk about our main topic tonight.
So let me do a little quick show and tell because I have had a busy month myself, if I may go first.
Well, besides pwning noobs, a little joke there.
I've been doing a lot of traveling this month and war driving as I go around.
So I've been doing a lot of that, and I'll probably be putting up some scans on Old School Freak as well myself.
And I finished a couple of articles.
I finished my Hacking Google AdWords article, which I did a few episodes ago.
I gave some of the stuff out on the air.
I got a few more things and put them into this article, which I'm really proud of.
I really think this is one of my better articles personally.
And I submitted it to 2600 actually yesterday or the day before yesterday.
So that might actually end up being a big story or a big article because of the potential that people can do with some of the tricks and things that I pointed out in there.
And because they're Google.
That's a big name.
So I don't know how the article is going to go over, but that one may be interesting.
And I finished another article I was working on and submitted it as well.
I've been sending out magazine orders.
They're still going out.
I usually go once every week, sometimes only every two weeks, depending on what my time frame is like.
And I go after work.
And I go out to the – I don't know about your – Slipmo, maybe you can help me with this.
Do you have a kiosk machine that you can mail stuff yourself at your post office?
Yeah, we do.
Okay.
That's what I use.
I usually – because I have to go after work and the post office is closed.
So I go out there and I mail everything and send it out that way and put it all on my credit card and all that good stuff.
But you know what?
The only country that's not on the list is the UK.
United Kingdom does not show up on a freaking kiosk.
Oh, wow.
And I'm sure you might not have – probably haven't had the opportunity to look for it.
But I couldn't find UK, United Kingdom, England.
I look for everything and I can't find any way to do it.
So if I get orders from there, which I do occasionally, we do actually – we've got quite a few.
I have to go out on my lunch break and mail those.
So I've got a couple right now.
If you're in England and you're listening to the show, if you're out in the United Kingdom somewhere, you're listening to the show,
yours are going to take an extra couple days when I can get out on my lunch break and mail them for you.
But I do have the orders and I have, I think, three, two or three that need to go out right now.
So I have to go do that on lunch sometime this week.
And just for anybody who's interested, the shipping is kind of expensive over there too.
Anything to Europe for the most part is eight or nine bucks shipping for a three-pack.
If you order all three of the magazine, it's going to cost you like eight bucks to England and I think nine for just about everywhere else in Europe.
Somewhere – something like that.
I check them on a case-by-case basis.
So other than that, I've been doing a little maintenance here in my personal lab.
I screwed up – long story short, I screwed up my local storage area network that I bragged about on the show a while back.
I set it up for spanning, but I never set it up for – well, actually, I set it up as a dynamic disk, but I never set up spanning.
So I don't have any redundancy in there.
So now I have to go through the process of backing up all that data.
The whole point was to have all my data centralized.
Now I have to go and take it off of that and decentralize it and put it on a bunch of external hard drives on USB cases temporarily to redo the damn thing now.
So I'm having to undo all that work and redo it again.
So that's from me screwing up.
And as I mentioned before, we saw Sin City.
And I'm not going to waste time talking about that, but that movie was e-fucking-leet.
That movie was so awesome.
Incredibly violent, I have to warn you.
Very violent.
Kind of – I mean, you could kind of say it's cartoon violence, but it's really not.
It's pretty gory, grotesque in parts.
But stylistically, it is magnificent.
It's a beautiful movie.
And a lot of people know that it's very heavy on CGI as far as not like 3D type stuff like Shrek or Toy Story or that type of stuff.
But a lot of backgrounds and scenes were done in CGI.
They're fantastic to the point that I really honestly believe you could take a still frame from any point in this movie and it would be a work of art.
It's just incredible how well they integrated all that stuff.
So, that's enough for me.
Why don't you – I know – you know what?
Let's take a minute, Slip, if you will.
I know you didn't plan to do this or come on to do this, but let's let everybody know who doesn't already.
Know about In the Now.
Okay.
Well, yeah, In the Now.
Shoot, we've been doing that since 2001.
Wow.
And it's over there on SlipNet.org.
And, you know, it kind of started out just me and my friend at VR, which you'll see who's on the show, most of the shows.
We just – we used to play a lot of pool back in the day.
And then after we're done playing pool, we just kind of go out and, you know, shoot the shit in the parking lot until like 5 in the morning.
We just talked about all sorts of different things that we were interested in.
And, you know, so that kind of thing, I said, you know, why don't we just like record this?
Why don't we do something with this and, you know, just put it down if anybody wants to listen to it and they enjoy it.
They can jump in on the conversation and just kind of like spread the news and all that.
So, you know, I went into doing that, and we've been doing it, you know, pretty strong.
We get – I don't know.
We had over 1,000 downloads last month.
You know, we get quite a bit of listeners.
And we talk a lot about, like, the social issues of technology.
You know, the world is, you know, constantly changing around us.
People are integrating more of technology and systems and functionality into their, you know, cars, computers, banking, you know, their entire life.
And there's a lot of issues with that.
There's, you know, there's positive sides and negative sides.
And we like to cover, you know, all the things that are currently going on.
Sometimes we delve into a little bit of science.
Sometimes we, you know, we spend a lot of stuff talking about, you know, Linux, open source communities, stuff like that, you know, software, a lot of things that corporations are doing, people getting attacked for doing things that they probably shouldn't be getting attacked as much as they are getting attacked for.
You know, we just talk a lot about different issues that I think that hit a lot of different people.
And I don't think a lot of people – I don't think there's a lot of shows out there that talk about that stuff.
I know BinRev covers some things, you know, old school frequent covering things, you know, and there's other shows out there.
And we have affiliates on our website that you'll see one of us, BinRev, as well.
You'll see that you can go to their shows as well and check out their information.
But when we were first doing the show, there wasn't a lot of people out there that talked about that kind of stuff.
So I wanted to bring a medium of, you know, information out there that I didn't see was very popular at that time.
But it's growing, and a lot of people are spreading the news, and I think it's a good thing, and that awareness is pretty important.
So that's what we do over there.
Right, and I'm glad you mentioned that, you know, like the science.
I was going to make sure I brought that up if you didn't, is you guys – and you're absolutely correct in what you said about BinRev.
There's nothing wrong with that.
We do focus on tech.
I try to stay away from – because you know what?
It just becomes too all-encompassing for me.
I like the purity of the tech, and we focus on that on the show.
It's tech, and we try to have a little fun joking and laughing while we're doing it.
You do a much better job – and that was my cell phone blinging on the air.
Somebody sent me a message.
You do a much better job of balancing so many different things.
It is also tech, but it also touches on science, like you said, politics, just general free thinking, and just all kinds of different things, and it's also very professionally done.
It is one of the most dependable, reliable shows format-wise.
You always know what you're getting into.
You guys sit down.
You know what you're going to talk about.
There's never any – I'm sure there's occasions, don't get me wrong, where you might be flying by the seat of your pants at the last minute, kind of like we are now.
But usually you do a really good job in preparing.
You have topics in advance.
You know what you're going to talk about, maybe not exactly what you'll say, of course.
But having stuff prepared ahead of time, and I personally think it is a very good show and give you nothing but good things to say about it.
And obviously we have it on DDB Hack Radio because of that very reason.
You're in the rotation.
We play old episodes, past episodes, get randomly played during the day.
And the latest episode, which comes out every two weeks, I don't know if you said that, every other week.
And we play that every Wednesday night on DDB Hack Radio.
So you can always check out the new issues there or, again, downloadable on SlipNet.org.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I appreciate all the comments, Stink.
Yeah, we do do it every two weeks.
My life is pretty packed, actually.
And sometimes it takes me a minute to get the shows up there, but we do get them all up there.
And one thing that I like to do, too, and I know Stink does it, too, for his show notes, is I like to give very detailed show notes.
Everything that we cover, whatever, you can actually go and read that story if you want to delve into it.
I like to get a little deeper.
And obviously we put the forums up, too, for people.
We've had people post their own topics because that's really what it's all about, the whole sharing of information, stuff like that.
And we've had plenty of people post their own topics about things that they'd like to have talked about.
And, you know, we integrate those in the show.
And then show notes, we have all the everything we talked about, links to where the news came from.
And then also, you know, me and VR, we've been friends forever.
I mean, I think I've known him for over 10 years.
And, you know, we're very much in sync.
And we have our own, you know, things that I think I compliment him and he compliments me.
And I think that really mixes well into the show.
And then also, the – let's see, I skipped my head there.
But, yeah, but we have that there for download.
We do it every two weeks.
I'd like to do it weekly, but maybe since I'm in the future, after I get out of school, we'll get out of that pretty soon.
So maybe I'll have more time to do that.
Totally relate to that.
But, yeah, it's been a really great experience for me.
And I've learned, you know, quite a bit doing it.
And I enjoy giving out any information I can.
Yeah, we totally relate to that.
And we've talked about it on the show.
Real life always takes precedence.
And you do as much as you can around real life.
So believe me, I know how difficult it is putting out this show every week.
And quite frankly, I don't know what the future of this is.
We might have to switch to a biweekly format.
I really don't know what it's going to be until my life settles down and we make some decisions.
But absolutely very, very good stuff.
Now, did you have any other show and tell or any other stuff you've been working on or cool things lately?
Or did you want to – is your show and tell going to be our main topic tonight?
Did you want to move into that yet or –
Yeah, actually, I have been – the topic that we kind of talked about when we were preparing for the show,
yeah, I said I was working on that as well.
So we can definitely move into that.
Well, let's move on.
And I've been playing around with a few things and I'd like to share that with the listeners.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the thing we're talking about is – and this is show and tell for you because you've actually been doing this.
Me, I've only read about it so far.
I have not actually gotten down to the nitty-gritty and thrown this on my laptop and started playing with it yet.
But where I – actually, I found out about it via Voodoo How.
Voodoo How actually sent me a link and found out about it on Security Focus is where I've been reading mostly about it.
And there's a couple different places and some mixed information and actually Slip's going to give us some of that as well.
But basically, there is a new way – I shouldn't even say a new way to crack WEP because you don't need to crack WEP anymore.
You know, WEP encryption, which is tools like Air Snort and things like that that have been developed that if you listen and basically sniff enough packets and save them,
you can brute force attack these things by breaking them apart and looking for certain what they call interesting packets or special packets that have a weak – there's a flaw in the encryption algorithm.
And if you find some weak packets, they can be more easily cracked than others.
So you can gather a bunch of those together and when you – the more weak packets you get, the faster your brute force works
and you can actually crack WEP and therefore access an encrypted wireless network.
You don't really have to do that anymore.
Yeah, and even if you don't have time to sit there and try to crack away that at the time, like if you use Kismet or something like that and you do a dump,
you could just dump all the data all you want and then parse the – you know, parse all that data through your cracker at any time you want,
you know, whenever you want to do that and then actually once it's cracked then you can apply the WEP key to it and open it back up.
Right, and some of the ways to fight back against that are some places will change the WEP key every 10 days or two weeks or a month or something like that
because it can take that long, if not longer, if you don't have enough packets to get that thing cracked.
So there's some safeguards to that.
Well, you don't have to crack WEP anymore.
There's a new technique out there that's been developed that – I guess before we go into it, maybe we should have a couple of definitions here.
First of all, there's a couple of terms we're going to use, and let's define them up front.
Do you think that's a good way to approach this?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, lay the base and then move into it.
Like a man in the middle is a term you're going to hear.
A man in the middle attack, or just man in the middle, just to define that.
It's actually a self-defining term in a way.
A man in the middle is if you are at point A trying to access point B.
So you're the user at home trying to access, I don't know, a website or whatever.
The man in the middle attack, or what a man in the middle is, is when you come in between A and B and stick yourself somewhere in the middle.
Now, as far as the attacks go, generally what they refer to as a man in the middle attack is that you set yourself in the middle somehow and collect packets coming from A, intercept them, and either look at them or twist them, change them for example, and then send them on to B after all.
So nobody knows that you're there, you're in the middle, you're handing stuff off, but you're changing things as you go along.
Or you're just plain sniffing things, like, I don't know, you could, you know, a man in the middle of attacks can be used to fish credit card numbers and things like that.
That's what being a man in the middle...
There's also modifying from B back to A as well.
Exactly, and vice versa, absolutely.
So you can change, I don't know, to make up an example, you send an email to somebody saying, I love you, they can easily intercept it coming in, change it to say, I hate you, and send it back to that person.
That person replies back, says, yeah, well, screw you too, they can change that, send it back that says, I love you too.
Nobody knows that the whole thing was intercepted because they didn't, you know what I mean?
So that's what a man in the middle is, and it's important to understand that concept because that's related to this new technique because the way it works is something else that's related to man in the middle is packet injection.
And that is kind of what I described as part of the actual process, to inject packets into that stream that's already going on between A and B.
For example, I were to inject credit card information or a phone number or something on at the end of it, like let's say somebody sends an order, whether it be through a web form or an email, I'd like to order 500 shirts printed with Binary Revolution logo, here's my credit card number, whatever, they send that across.
Well, packet injection could send, could take that, and then send a subsequent packet of either more information, modified the email, or just a new email, so many different possibilities that says, oh, I changed my mind, add 500 more onto that order.
And, of course, I'm just making up a totally fictitious example here, but injecting packets.
There's not even a malicious way to do it, it's where you'd, you know, somebody says, I want to go to, I don't know, bankofamerica.com, and the man in the middle says, okay, we'll give you bankofamerica.com, but what it actually gives you is a fake bankofamerica.com, and they're doing a phishing attack, and they're trying to get you to trust them and, you know, give your information.
Right, yeah, phishing is very much related to man in the middle, that's a very good example.
So, those things being said, there's really no need exactly to decode or crack WEP anymore because of this new technique, and I think you can probably put this into words better than I can, like I said, because you've done it.
I can regurgitate some terms and how it works, but why don't you kind of start and go with it, and let's see where this goes.
Okay, well, I've been playing around with a program that actually was used back on DEFCON 12 to play, you know, some jokes on the people that were on the wireless network.
Basically, it's a program called Airpwn, it's, you know, A-I-R-P-W-N, and what it does is it works on the TCP layer only.
It only understands TCP packets, so nothing UDP or anything like that, so it does have some limitations.
It doesn't work on WEP networks, so it has to be an unwept network.
You know, maybe the guy actually has some code for a WEP network, but it's not, you know, I don't know of any code released for it.
So, the network has to be unwept, and there's a lot of unwept networks out there.
But basically, this program was made kind of like as a prank, but also to, you know, show some more insecurities in wireless and whatnot.
So, what it does is, and I'll briefly describe it, then I'll kind of get into how it works.
What it does basically is, when you're out there on a wireless network, you send information over to what's called as the access point,
and that's what's serving you everything on the wireless network.
And, you know, you send things out, I want to go to a webpage, I want to do this, I want to do that.
And the access point receives that information, goes out to the Internet, grabs your webpage, sends it back to you.
Well, what if there was a man in the middle where you have, let's say, a laptop, and you're at this place, let's say, a coffee house or something like that, or DEF CON or wherever,
and they send out a packet, your laptop grabs it, because it's freely, it's open in the air.
Your laptop grabs it, and then it sends a packet back before the access point does.
And your client is going to interpret that packet as if it was the correct packet.
And what this program does is it emulates the access point.
It looks like it came from the access point.
It's the correct, you know, sequence number.
Everything is correct, and your machine is accepted.
Now, the access point is still going to send back its packet that you requested.
But what's going to happen is that since your laptop sent it back before the access point, that your client sees that extra packet that came from the access point and says,
well, we already received this packet, you're sending all data, and it drops it.
So basically, you're doing a man in the middle, and you have the ability to send them anything you want in response to, you know, certain things.
Now, the way the program works is there is a few rules in there, and what it does, it says basically, and you can write your own rules.
It's totally customizable.
It comes with a few of them on its own.
But it says basically, it looks for, it has, it looks for, well, here's the hardware.
Here's the hardware spec.
You have, the way I have it, I have a laptop.
I have one card that listens, and I have one card that serves.
The card that serves, it's a Prism 2.5 chipset, and I had to flash it and make sure that it had the most, the newest firmware.
My older firmware had a problem.
And so it's pretty much that, and you have to make sure that the, you know, and I have an Orinoco card.
That's the one that's listening.
You have to make sure it supports monitor mode.
You have to have the host AP drivers for the, for the, for the, for the Prism card.
The host AP drivers basically allows your Linux computer to act as an access point.
You have to make sure you patch your Orinoco driver, make sure it can be put into monitor mode.
So there's a lot of prep that's involved, actually.
And actually, the AirPone program itself, when you compile it, it's actually going to give you an error.
It says that your libpcap is broken.
You have to actually edit the make file and add the libpcap library in there and point to where it is.
So there's, it actually took a minute for me to put this all together, and it was kind of tough, but we got it, I got it all put together.
But, so when it receives the information, it says, okay, if this has a, you know, get JPEG or something like that, where your request from the client says, I want to, I want to view this website.
And in that website, there's some JPEGs, and it wants to grab that.
It says, okay, if you see that, then do this.
And then what it does is, for instance, in, like, the default rules, it'll send its own JPEG across, like, owned, or they're at, at DEF CON 12, they're using the GOATC JPEG, which is, that's pretty bad.
Yeah, that was not cool.
And, you know, so actually, so everything on the page that was a JPEG would be replaced with the JPEG that you specified.
And you can write all sorts of rules for all sorts of different things.
I mean, you can get pretty deep into what you can spoof on the page.
You know, if the page, if you go to, like, I don't know, CNN.com or whatever, it says, you know, if there's this text on the webpage, replace it with this.
And you can do quite a bit.
But there are some limitations.
If you do send a JPEG or anything like that, the whole JPEG has to fit within one packet.
It doesn't send a series of packets.
Everything fits into one packet.
So there are some limitations to that.
You know, JPEG size can only be a certain size or BMP or anything.
Everything has to fit into one packet.
Now, if you're scripting stuff, that's usually going to fit into a packet.
But your images, you've got to make sure you keep the size down.
And there's a lot of technical details.
If you send an image over, you actually have to put the HTML text in the image at the very beginning of it to be able to post for it to parse it.
It'll say, you know, content type, image, JPEG, stuff like that.
Right.
Because the browser is going to read that and post the image.
So there's a lot of detail.
There's a lot of hacking to get this whole thing to work.
But the magnitude of what you could use it for could be, you know, quite a bit of stuff.
I mean, you can use it from the malicious end to, like, the non-malicious end.
Maybe the non-malicious end is you have your own web cafe and you want to shoot an advertisement on their page every few views or something like that.
That's non-malicious?
You know, and that's your web cafe and maybe you provide free internet.
And, you know, so you actually have a business of getting some people that, you know, give you money to do advertisements.
And you can put advertisements on the page and stuff like that.
Or you can use it maliciously and do a phishing attack, like I was saying before, where people are going to one site.
Redirect them to a whole other site.
And that site's specifically designed to look like the original site.
And, you know, so you can do quite a bit of malicious things.
You can do a lot of fun prank things to it.
There's a lot of room for play.
But, once again, you can't use it if it's a web network.
And it only works on the TCP level.
Right.
And, actually, that's where I was going to take this a step further is that now using that same technique.
See, that is the, I guess, the first volley, if you will, or the first application of pack and injection man in the middle in that method.
But it's gone a little bit further since then.
And I was going to go into that security focus.
Unfortunately, we're about out of time, I'm afraid.
So I'm going to have to go into this on another show.
So, however, the long and short of it is that you do not need to worry about WEP anymore.
There's a method whereby you can sniff enough packets and find enough information about all the different types of packets and protocols and stuff like that
that will allow you to inject encrypted packets.
It doesn't matter if you can decode them or not.
If you can find and inject the information that you want into them, you don't have to bother brute forcing and decoding it anymore.
And, unfortunately, I am going to have to leave that for another time.
I hate to leave people hanging on that note.
But that's the direction I was going to go.
But, like I said, we're going to have to close up here because it is about, actually, we're right on time.
So, unless you had something else you wanted to add, I guess we should probably move into the closing segments.
I think that's it.
You can grab Bear Pwn on SourceForge.
You can also just Google it up.
You'll get the page that talks about all the fun that they had at DEF CON and all that stuff.
Yeah, the Goatsy guy.
Yeah, and if you have any questions, of course, you can always email me over at slipnet.org.
Just check out my email address over there and I'll help anybody out.
Or, of course, you can email us.
Our email address here is radio at binrev.com.
And, of course, I'll forward anything, but I'm sure you can find Slip Moe's email address pretty easily as well.
Our site of the week this week is notacon.org.
N-O-T-A-C-O-N dot org.
Because this weekend will be Notacon, April 8th through 10th.
Up there at the Mistake on the Lake, as they like to refer to it.
I'm sure they don't like to refer to it that way, but some people refer to it.
So, notacon.org.
Check out their speaker list and check out the conference if you can make it.
And shouts for the week.
Shouts, I'll kick some out, to Voodoo Hal.
And I'll pause and give you time to think there a little bit.
I'll give shouts to Voodoo Hal, to Dr. Chaos up there in Atlanta, and to our moderating group.
Droops, Strom, Carlson, Doug, Logosex, Icon, all those guys doing a great job moderating the forums.
And Slip Mode, what do you got?
Shout outs.
I got shouts out to Decoder.
Hope everything's working out for him.
And also the whole Hacker Mind channel over on Espernet.
Cool.
And our closing music this week is, I went back and picked a track from our good friend, Zorro.
This is a track called Not Normal.
And Slip Mode, thank you, my friend, for doing the show with us.
We've got to do more.
I can't believe it took us 90 episodes before we were able to hook up and do this.
So, we've definitely got to do some more soon.
Absolutely.
I appreciate you having me.
It's a great show.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
And again, check out In the Now on DDP Hack Radio every Wednesday night or over at SlipNet.org.
And that's me pimping the show, not you.
Don't worry.
And I think that's going to do it.
Thank you again for being on the show, especially at the last minute like this.
And we're going to cut, edit, mix, encode, and upload this show right now.
We will see you guys next week.
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