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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers

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I see in binary, I speak source code

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold

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I was a dick with my 56

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs

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You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals

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Cereal codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs

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This is dedicated to the hackers and criminals

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Hey Mark, excuse me, I'm on my way, kinda got hung up

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It's raining out here, I'm on my way into Dallas

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Jerry's probably gonna be calling you to find out where I'm at

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If he can't get a hold of me, I'm sure

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So I thought, whoa, whoa

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Man, I just had a wreck right in front of me

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This guy ran a red light and hit four old ladies in an Impala

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Just kinda clipped them, turned them around right in front of me

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Man, that was close

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Oh, now this guy's getting out of his car

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He's got a white shirt on with a tie and a cigarette hanging out of his mouth

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Now he's throwing his hands up in the air like it was their fault

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Oh, hold on, hold on

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He's going over to their window

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She's rolling down the window

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Oh man, I think she sprayed him with pepper spray, man

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He's holding his face and he's on his knee

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She's getting out, she's beating him with an umbrella

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The other women are getting out too

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There's one woman with a little black person

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She's kind of hawking him, man

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She looks like a Sunbelt 20-horsepower jackhammer

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We got another woman that's

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She's hitting him like he's got a cattle prod, man

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She's got an umbrella and she's sticking it in his side

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Oh, there's another one, it's a little woman that looks like Mother Goose

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She's got, oh, she's beating him

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She's beating him, she's got this U-bit bag

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She's got, oh, she's beating him

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She's beating him, she's got this U-bit bag

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It's huge, it's about the size of her

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She's about four foot nothing

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She hit him over the head, everything went over the place

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Her Bible fell, she just hit him in the head with a Bible

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She picked this Bible up

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And she lifted it way over her head

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It was a hard-backed NVI version

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Oh, there's still beating the hell out of this guy

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She picked this Bible up

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And raised it up above her head

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And just beamed the guy

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This guy's not getting up

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Oh, there's still, oh, gosh

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They're still hitting him

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The woman with the little black person

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Still, all pieces of it

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Oh, okay, he's up on the car

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The little old woman's just beating him again with that big bag

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He's running to his car

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He's out of here

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Oh, the little baby mother goose woman

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She's talking to him as he's driving off

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Oh, I wish you would have been here, man

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Oh, this is too good

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Oh, I don't know

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Hello, everybody

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And welcome to Binary Revolution Radio

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Episode number nine to the zero

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We are coming to you on April 5th, 2005

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And, yes, we can literally say that this week

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Because we are cutting it very, very close

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We're on another very, very close release this time

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Because, well, I'm old and I need my sleep

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So, I had to bail out on our co-host this week

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Our co-host, of course, I'll go ahead and announce now

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Is actually

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I don't know how this ended up being the case

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But this is a first-time co-host for you

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Is that right?

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Yep, this will be the first time

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Slip mode

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From the In the Now show

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A good friend of mine who we've met before

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And we've

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We worked on a presentation

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Or I guess I should say

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I made a guest appearance on your presentation at Hope

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And we've spoken in the past

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I don't know why we've never been able to hook up

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And do an episode before

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You know, I don't know

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I've been really busy

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I mean, I still keep in touch with a lot of the people

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That are in the community and stuff like that

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But yeah, we haven't been on the show

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We have done a Radio Freak America together, though

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Oh yeah, I think we did a few of those

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But I think our schedules

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I work all the time

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You work all the time

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So I'm glad we actually were able to make this one work out

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Yeah

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So, April 5th, 2005

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Episode 90

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Oh, and the opening

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That you just heard

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Before you heard Slip Mode and I

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Was an MP3 file

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That a friend of mine sent me

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It is called voicemail.mp3

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You'll probably find it floating around in the web

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If you haven't heard it already

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It's one of those things that gets passed around

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But I thought that was kind of funny

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And a pretty good way to open the show

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You know, it's always like anything

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Phone freak, phone mail related

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So I thought that was a funny opening

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Yeah, that was hilarious

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And also, since we're in the housekeeping section now

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I want to remind everyone

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Actually, Natus wants me to remind everyone

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And I want to remind everyone myself

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But Natus made it a point to start working more

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And start updating Old School Freak more often

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And he says he's getting a lot of scans

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That people are sending in

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Which is cool and keep sending them in

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But he just wanted me to remind people

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That it's not only about freaking

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Old School Freak

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Yes, it is definitely a freaking heavy site

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It is mostly about freaking

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I won't say mostly

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But a lot of it is about freaking

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But it's also about a lot of other things

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It's always been

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Old School Freak has always been a good mix

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Of having articles that are about hacking

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About freaking

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Conspiracy theory

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Culture jamming

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I know it's something that Dool always found enjoyable

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So any topics like that

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If you've got articles

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Send them to Old School Freak

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Send them into Natus

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At OldSchoolFreak.com

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And again, contact information

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On OldSchoolFreak.com

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That's O-S-P-P-H-R-E-A-K

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And school spelled with a K

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S-K-O-O-L

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Yeah, and they have a lot of good files

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Up there to begin with

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So I mean, yeah

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Keep contributing

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And it's a great place

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To have your freaking resources

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Yeah, and everything that gets put on Old School Freak

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It'll probably take us a while

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But because that's also run by DDP

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We'll put that stuff over on DocDroppers eventually

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But you know what?

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It's going to premiere and debut on Old School Freak

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So that's the site you really want to watch

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To get new articles and new scans

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As they're put up

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And new items

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And not only that

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I mean, videos and audio files

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And I don't know

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I don't know if you were aware of this yet, Slipmoto

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We just did this recently

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We relaunched Old School Freak

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In the form of a podcast from episode one

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So people who weren't around

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And did not hear all those original great, great episodes

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We released it from number one again

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For the podcasting community

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So people who subscribe to that

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Are starting all the way back over with episode one

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And they're going every week

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With Duel and Rax and Mary Chan

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And all the crew

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From Radio Freak America

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So that's a pretty cool thing

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I'm still so excited about that

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And apparently it's been very successful

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From what I've heard from the Addis

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Yeah, I remember reading about that

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Yeah, it's, I think episode

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As we're recording, I think episode four

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It's up to episode four

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So it's fairly new, fairly recent

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The only other thing I have for housekeeping

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And this might take a few minutes

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Is, well, this is April 5th

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So a few days ago

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People might realize that it was April 1st

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A.K.A. Pwn Day

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I'm sorry, I mean April Fool's Day

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Which we took advantage of that day

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To play a little prank

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To have a little fun, if you will

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Some people had more fun than others apparently

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But, you know, it's all good

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We did a little April Fool's joke here

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And actually let me back up

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Because there's really

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I wish I had some great profound story

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And plan and plot that was behind this

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But I'm afraid it's not that sinister

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So some of you might be disappointed

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Frankly, on the night of April 1st

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The short version of the story is that

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I couldn't sleep

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I had a bad case of hacker's insomnia again

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I went to bed

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It was like 12, 12.30

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I couldn't fall asleep

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So I got up and do what I always do

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Walk into the computer

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Finished a couple articles that I was working on

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And I think I might

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I might talk about those a little bit later

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In the show and tell

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And then I was sitting there

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And I looked in the corner of the clock

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At the clock in the corner

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And I realized that it was April Fool's Day

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So I didn't have any plans whatsoever

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I didn't have any intention

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I didn't have any big plot or fancy

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We've been working on this for months

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I wish I could say that

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But it's not the case

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The case is I was sitting there

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I still wasn't ready to go back to sleep

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And I figured, you know what?

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What the hell?

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I'm going to take the farms offline

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I took them offline for the day

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And I put up a message that said

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I don't remember what the exact words were

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But it basically said

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That the farms have been shut down

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And were being investigated

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For misuse or something

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I don't remember what exactly I put

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I made it very short and very vague

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And I said

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For more information

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See stankdog.com

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Or I think oldschoolfreak.com

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So I just put enough out there

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To make people say

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What?

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Is this a joke?

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This is a

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First of all

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I thought it would be an obvious joke

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I mean it's April Fool's Day, right?

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I mean am I wrong here?

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Yeah

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You don't believe anything

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On April Fool's Day

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So I thought for sure

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That like most people

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Would just probably be mad

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That the forums were down for a day

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And they weren't able to come in

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And read and post and stuff

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I didn't really think

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Anybody would buy into it

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I thought it would be an obvious

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Bad joke

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Yeah, every April 1st

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I read

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Let's see

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Gentoo

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They do an April 1st joke

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They

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SlashDot

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Always does an April 1st joke

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And I like SlashDot

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And Gmail does an April 1st joke

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Or Google does

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Always something interesting going on

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Yeah, and I like SlashDots too

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Because they do a bunch of them by category

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They have a science

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A fake science story

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A fake

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What was there?

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It was one about the first

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Computer to Human virus

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I thought that made me laugh

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Yeah

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They do one by category

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Gentoo said that they were going to release

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Gentoo using the Windows NT kernel

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And they actually had like

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They actually had five or six pages

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Developed

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They had an FAQ on it

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They had an install guide

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They had everything but the files

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I was reading everything

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And went through everything

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But you know

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The files didn't really exist

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Ah, gotcha

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See, it's fun

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I like the April Fool stuff

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So I'm glad we started

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Maybe a little tradition

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But

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So I didn't think it would go anywhere

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Well I went over to StankDog.com

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And

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I just started kind of writing

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And freestyling

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I figured

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You know what

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I'm going to try to make it

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You know

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Somewhat believable and sellable

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I still thought for sure

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People would see right through it

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But I posted

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That I was going to be in custody

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I'm being taken into custody

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That I'm not

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Being arrested

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But they wanted to question me

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About

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Something that someone had done

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In the forums

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And see

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This is a little bit of

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I really am going to do

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A social engineering show one day

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But this is just a social engineering tactic

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That I took

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Of pointing out some things like

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Saying that

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Playing on what people

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On people's fears a little bit

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Because people post stuff in the forum

13:00.260 --> 13:01.420
And we've got rules that say

13:01.420 --> 13:02.800
Be careful what you post here

13:02.800 --> 13:04.500
If you don't think the feds

13:04.500 --> 13:05.780
Are not only watching this forum

13:05.780 --> 13:07.300
But every hacking site out there

13:07.300 --> 13:08.680
I mean there's somebody

13:08.680 --> 13:09.980
That could look at any time

13:09.980 --> 13:10.920
And I've mentioned on the show

13:10.920 --> 13:11.400
We have them

13:11.400 --> 13:12.180
Hits in the logs

13:12.180 --> 13:13.480
I'm sure you do as well

13:13.480 --> 13:15.000
From the .govs

13:15.000 --> 13:15.860
And stuff like that

13:15.860 --> 13:17.320
So you know what

13:17.320 --> 13:18.720
I figured I'd play on that fear

13:18.720 --> 13:19.120
A little bit

13:19.120 --> 13:20.400
A little social engineering tactic

13:20.400 --> 13:23.120
And I posted out there

13:23.120 --> 13:24.660
And instead of making me

13:24.660 --> 13:25.100
You know

13:25.100 --> 13:26.660
Oh Stank Dog's been taken into custody

13:26.660 --> 13:27.500
And all this kind of stuff

13:27.500 --> 13:28.980
I kind of twisted it a little bit

13:28.980 --> 13:29.120
And said

13:29.120 --> 13:30.340
I'm just being questioned

13:30.340 --> 13:31.980
Because someone else

13:31.980 --> 13:33.000
In the forums did something

13:33.000 --> 13:34.320
And I left it vague

13:34.320 --> 13:35.480
Because I knew

13:35.480 --> 13:36.240
That a lot of people

13:36.240 --> 13:36.720
In the forums

13:36.720 --> 13:37.280
Are going to wonder

13:37.280 --> 13:37.800
Is it me

13:37.800 --> 13:38.320
Is it me

13:38.320 --> 13:40.420
Or they're going to wonder

13:40.420 --> 13:41.080
Who is it

13:41.080 --> 13:41.660
You know

13:41.660 --> 13:43.800
So I still didn't think

13:43.800 --> 13:44.880
It would sell real well

13:44.880 --> 13:46.940
But I played that angle

13:46.940 --> 13:47.480
And said that

13:47.480 --> 13:48.680
That I turned over

13:48.680 --> 13:51.400
The database

13:51.400 --> 13:52.760
Of the forums itself

13:52.760 --> 13:53.320
I turned over

13:53.320 --> 13:54.140
The last three months

13:54.140 --> 13:54.840
Logs

13:54.840 --> 13:56.240
Just made up some things

13:56.240 --> 13:56.760
And said that

13:56.760 --> 13:58.240
I was going to be questioned

13:58.240 --> 13:59.120
By different authorities

13:59.120 --> 14:00.440
And I was being bounced around

14:00.440 --> 14:00.760
All day

14:00.760 --> 14:01.660
And I would not be able

14:01.660 --> 14:02.760
To update people

14:02.760 --> 14:04.040
So that gives me

14:04.040 --> 14:05.000
My excuse of why

14:05.000 --> 14:05.960
I don't come back

14:05.960 --> 14:06.920
Or don't post anything

14:06.920 --> 14:07.740
As a follow up

14:07.740 --> 14:10.180
And I put a note

14:10.180 --> 14:10.540
That says

14:10.540 --> 14:11.460
If I am unable

14:11.460 --> 14:12.660
To return and update

14:12.660 --> 14:13.120
The site

14:13.120 --> 14:14.040
I will contact

14:14.040 --> 14:14.420
Natus

14:14.420 --> 14:15.020
Who will update

14:15.020 --> 14:16.500
Oldschoolfreak.com

14:16.500 --> 14:18.760
And the hits

14:18.760 --> 14:19.940
On Oldschoolfreak.com

14:19.940 --> 14:20.820
Also spiked

14:20.820 --> 14:22.000
On April 1st

14:22.000 --> 14:22.520
So for people

14:22.520 --> 14:22.940
Who claim

14:22.940 --> 14:23.460
That they weren't

14:23.460 --> 14:24.080
Buying it

14:24.080 --> 14:24.620
Yeah

14:24.620 --> 14:25.440
Oh no

14:25.440 --> 14:26.260
We didn't buy it

14:26.260 --> 14:26.700
We were just

14:26.700 --> 14:27.280
Playing along

14:27.280 --> 14:27.740
Oh yeah

14:27.740 --> 14:28.280
Then why did

14:28.280 --> 14:28.600
The hits

14:28.600 --> 14:29.100
On the site

14:29.100 --> 14:30.040
Jump so high

14:30.040 --> 14:31.340
Well

14:31.340 --> 14:33.300
I had Natus

14:33.300 --> 14:34.080
Post a little comment

14:34.080 --> 14:34.680
That said

14:34.680 --> 14:35.880
I got a call

14:35.880 --> 14:36.540
From Stankdog

14:36.540 --> 14:37.400
In the middle of the night

14:37.400 --> 14:38.140
I haven't heard

14:38.140 --> 14:39.180
Anything since then

14:39.180 --> 14:40.100
It sounds really bad

14:40.100 --> 14:40.480
I don't know

14:40.480 --> 14:41.160
What's going on

14:41.160 --> 14:41.480
Please

14:41.480 --> 14:43.600
Don't email me

14:43.600 --> 14:44.160
I'll let you know

14:44.160 --> 14:44.900
If I hear news

14:44.900 --> 14:46.940
And people were

14:46.940 --> 14:48.320
IMing DDP members

14:48.320 --> 14:49.560
All day long

14:49.560 --> 14:50.620
And sending emails

14:50.620 --> 14:51.660
And all kinds of stuff

14:51.660 --> 14:52.380
It was hilarious

14:52.380 --> 14:54.180
Some people still knew

14:54.180 --> 14:54.560
Right away

14:54.560 --> 14:55.040
It was a joke

14:55.040 --> 14:55.620
We didn't fool

14:55.620 --> 14:56.260
Some people

14:56.260 --> 14:57.240
But we fooled

14:57.240 --> 14:57.800
Quite a few

14:57.800 --> 15:00.340
So halfway through the day

15:00.340 --> 15:01.420
I decided to turn it up

15:01.420 --> 15:01.840
A notch

15:01.840 --> 15:03.580
And I called Natus

15:03.580 --> 15:03.980
I actually

15:03.980 --> 15:04.760
Yeah I called him

15:04.760 --> 15:05.160
On the phone

15:05.160 --> 15:05.680
And then sent him

15:05.680 --> 15:06.300
A text file

15:06.300 --> 15:07.780
I made a fake

15:07.780 --> 15:08.780
SMS message

15:08.780 --> 15:10.460
I had already

15:10.460 --> 15:11.420
Set up the scenario

15:11.420 --> 15:12.400
And I think

15:12.400 --> 15:13.720
You'll get a kick

15:13.720 --> 15:14.060
Out of this

15:14.060 --> 15:14.540
I had already

15:14.540 --> 15:15.220
Set up the scenario

15:15.220 --> 15:16.340
That I was being questioned

15:16.340 --> 15:18.200
That I wasn't

15:18.200 --> 15:19.020
Really under arrest

15:19.020 --> 15:19.420
So

15:19.420 --> 15:21.800
I sent an SMS message

15:21.800 --> 15:22.200
To

15:22.200 --> 15:23.380
I didn't really

15:23.380 --> 15:24.040
But I sent

15:24.040 --> 15:25.180
I told Natus

15:25.180 --> 15:25.940
To post a comment

15:25.940 --> 15:26.320
That says

15:26.320 --> 15:27.660
He got an SMS message

15:27.660 --> 15:28.220
From me

15:28.220 --> 15:30.140
From my cell phone

15:30.140 --> 15:31.240
It wasn't really the truth

15:31.240 --> 15:32.140
I actually typed it up

15:32.140 --> 15:32.740
In a text file

15:32.740 --> 15:33.520
And mailed it to him

15:33.520 --> 15:34.360
And he put it up

15:34.360 --> 15:35.780
But the text message

15:35.780 --> 15:36.480
Again

15:36.480 --> 15:37.180
You got to think

15:37.180 --> 15:38.200
From a social engineering

15:38.200 --> 15:38.880
Standpoint

15:38.880 --> 15:39.440
How do you sell

15:39.440 --> 15:40.300
Something like this

15:40.300 --> 15:41.340
Well

15:41.340 --> 15:42.080
First of all

15:42.080 --> 15:43.760
People typing SMS messages

15:43.760 --> 15:44.660
On their cell phone

15:44.660 --> 15:46.780
They have a tendency

15:46.780 --> 15:48.000
To abbreviate things

15:48.000 --> 15:48.660
They have a tendency

15:48.660 --> 15:50.020
To skip words

15:50.020 --> 15:51.660
Grammatically incorrect

15:51.660 --> 15:52.420
Just because it helps

15:52.420 --> 15:53.240
Them type faster

15:53.240 --> 15:54.400
Out of pure laziness

15:54.400 --> 15:54.920
And I think

15:54.920 --> 15:55.900
Everybody will admit

15:55.900 --> 15:56.680
That they do that

15:56.680 --> 15:58.580
And sometimes

15:58.580 --> 15:59.100
If your message

15:59.100 --> 15:59.660
Is too long

15:59.660 --> 16:00.580
It will get cut off

16:00.580 --> 16:02.240
If anybody wanted

16:02.240 --> 16:03.240
To be really particular

16:03.240 --> 16:03.860
They could have looked

16:03.860 --> 16:04.260
And realized

16:04.260 --> 16:04.820
That my message

16:04.820 --> 16:05.680
Was cut off

16:05.680 --> 16:07.080
I could have made

16:07.080 --> 16:08.280
A much longer message

16:08.280 --> 16:09.500
I claimed it was

16:09.500 --> 16:10.040
Being cut off

16:10.040 --> 16:10.460
When it really

16:10.460 --> 16:11.440
If they knew

16:11.440 --> 16:12.580
What the limits were

16:12.580 --> 16:13.820
For SMS messaging

16:13.820 --> 16:14.440
They would realize

16:14.440 --> 16:15.180
That I was cutting it off

16:15.180 --> 16:15.660
Too soon

16:15.660 --> 16:17.100
Nobody looked that closely

16:17.100 --> 16:17.620
I don't think

16:17.620 --> 16:19.360
But I sent about

16:19.360 --> 16:19.900
Seven or eight

16:19.900 --> 16:20.760
Different lines

16:20.760 --> 16:21.620
A.k.a.

16:21.680 --> 16:22.820
Different SMS messages

16:22.820 --> 16:23.500
Putting together

16:23.500 --> 16:24.240
This little story

16:24.240 --> 16:24.860
That said something

16:24.860 --> 16:25.940
To the effect of

16:25.940 --> 16:27.020
Natus

16:27.020 --> 16:28.320
I am still being questioned

16:28.320 --> 16:29.300
And of course

16:29.300 --> 16:30.000
I cut off the word

16:30.000 --> 16:30.900
Questioned in the middle

16:30.900 --> 16:31.680
Or something like that

16:31.680 --> 16:32.460
To make it look real

16:32.460 --> 16:34.000
I still have my phone

16:34.000 --> 16:35.220
I am not under arrest

16:35.220 --> 16:36.420
I am sending you

16:36.420 --> 16:36.960
This message

16:36.960 --> 16:37.760
To let you know

16:37.760 --> 16:38.540
That they are not

16:38.540 --> 16:39.260
After me

16:39.260 --> 16:40.440
They are after

16:40.440 --> 16:41.320
Someone in the forums

16:41.320 --> 16:41.900
Who apparently

16:41.900 --> 16:43.420
Posted some kind of code

16:43.420 --> 16:45.300
And I used a bunch

16:45.300 --> 16:45.960
Of short words

16:45.960 --> 16:46.720
To make it look like

16:46.720 --> 16:47.880
A real SMS message

16:47.880 --> 16:48.660
And I had Natus

16:48.660 --> 16:49.160
Post that on

16:49.160 --> 16:49.740
Old School Freak

16:49.740 --> 16:50.280
Saying he just

16:50.280 --> 16:50.940
Got an update

16:50.940 --> 16:52.360
Oh wow

16:52.360 --> 16:53.140
So that just

16:53.140 --> 16:53.920
Set it into motion

16:53.920 --> 16:54.680
Even worse

16:54.680 --> 16:55.540
You know

16:55.540 --> 16:56.160
At this point

16:56.160 --> 16:57.160
I knew

16:57.160 --> 16:57.600
I had gotten

16:57.600 --> 16:58.120
Some emails

16:58.120 --> 16:59.400
And some IMs

16:59.400 --> 16:59.980
I stayed off

16:59.980 --> 17:00.780
Of IM all day

17:00.780 --> 17:01.200
Actually

17:01.200 --> 17:02.200
But other people

17:02.200 --> 17:02.920
Had gotten IMs

17:02.920 --> 17:03.600
They forwarded me

17:03.600 --> 17:05.160
From people

17:05.160 --> 17:05.740
That were starting

17:05.740 --> 17:06.340
To get concerned

17:06.340 --> 17:06.860
So I figured

17:06.860 --> 17:07.840
As long as it's working

17:07.840 --> 17:08.620
And I'm selling it

17:08.620 --> 17:10.120
Let's take it a step further

17:10.120 --> 17:10.920
So I did that

17:10.920 --> 17:12.460
And then it really

17:12.460 --> 17:13.540
Took off even more

17:13.540 --> 17:14.400
Because people just

17:14.400 --> 17:14.820
Didn't know

17:14.820 --> 17:15.880
If we were joking or not

17:15.880 --> 17:16.640
And you know what

17:16.640 --> 17:18.360
Hackers are

17:18.360 --> 17:19.960
Paranoid by nature

17:19.960 --> 17:21.140
So

17:21.140 --> 17:21.920
Exactly

17:21.920 --> 17:22.880
Well

17:22.880 --> 17:23.920
About

17:23.920 --> 17:24.800
And this was

17:24.800 --> 17:25.700
All my lunch break

17:25.700 --> 17:26.620
I did this from work

17:26.620 --> 17:27.440
So

17:27.440 --> 17:29.180
Towards the end of the day

17:29.180 --> 17:29.940
Around 4.30

17:29.940 --> 17:30.740
And I'm getting ready

17:30.740 --> 17:31.540
To go

17:31.540 --> 17:32.140
And leave

17:32.140 --> 17:32.580
I was actually

17:32.580 --> 17:32.860
Getting ready

17:32.860 --> 17:34.080
To go to my 2600 meeting

17:34.080 --> 17:35.100
Oh that's another

17:35.100 --> 17:35.540
Little thing

17:35.540 --> 17:36.320
I put in to sell it

17:36.320 --> 17:37.120
I posted something

17:37.120 --> 17:38.560
On my 2600.com

17:38.560 --> 17:40.100
FL2600.com

17:40.100 --> 17:41.600
In the comments

17:41.600 --> 17:42.120
For the meeting

17:42.120 --> 17:42.480
That says

17:42.480 --> 17:43.000
Sorry guys

17:43.000 --> 17:43.620
I won't be able

17:43.620 --> 17:44.140
To make it

17:44.140 --> 17:44.660
I had some

17:44.660 --> 17:46.460
Serious legal problems

17:46.460 --> 17:47.420
Occur last night

17:47.420 --> 17:48.760
So if anybody

17:48.760 --> 17:49.340
Yeah

17:49.340 --> 17:49.840
So if anybody

17:49.840 --> 17:50.640
Did any research

17:50.640 --> 17:51.280
To try to see

17:51.280 --> 17:51.880
If it was fake

17:51.880 --> 17:52.540
I gave them

17:52.540 --> 17:53.120
That comment

17:53.120 --> 17:53.760
So they'll be like

17:53.760 --> 17:54.400
Oh my god

17:54.400 --> 17:54.900
He's not going

17:54.900 --> 17:55.320
To his meeting

17:55.320 --> 17:56.060
I was really

17:56.060 --> 17:56.560
Selling it

17:56.560 --> 17:57.180
At this point

17:57.180 --> 17:58.860
So

17:58.860 --> 18:00.520
The last thing

18:00.520 --> 18:00.900
I did

18:00.900 --> 18:01.480
Was around

18:01.480 --> 18:02.100
4.30

18:02.100 --> 18:03.340
I hopped

18:03.340 --> 18:04.080
On IRC

18:04.080 --> 18:04.720
And the

18:04.720 --> 18:05.460
BinRev channel

18:05.460 --> 18:06.920
On irc.esper.net

18:06.920 --> 18:07.200
Channel

18:07.200 --> 18:07.760
Binrev

18:07.760 --> 18:09.120
And I thought

18:09.120 --> 18:09.440
I'd just

18:09.440 --> 18:10.020
Kind of sit

18:10.020 --> 18:10.480
And listen

18:10.480 --> 18:10.960
I went in

18:10.960 --> 18:11.900
Under a fake name

18:11.900 --> 18:13.360
Listened for a few minutes

18:13.360 --> 18:13.960
To see what was

18:13.960 --> 18:14.620
Going on

18:14.620 --> 18:15.940
And here

18:15.940 --> 18:16.540
Actually I'm going

18:16.540 --> 18:16.840
To tell you

18:16.840 --> 18:17.740
A little funny story

18:17.740 --> 18:17.900
Here

18:17.900 --> 18:18.580
I'm going to

18:18.580 --> 18:18.900
Actually

18:18.900 --> 18:20.100
Pwn somebody

18:20.100 --> 18:20.580
On the air

18:20.580 --> 18:21.140
Here that doesn't

18:21.140 --> 18:21.720
Know any better

18:21.720 --> 18:23.980
I went on there

18:23.980 --> 18:24.680
Under a fake name

18:24.680 --> 18:25.200
And I just started

18:25.200 --> 18:25.700
Kind of listening

18:25.700 --> 18:26.340
To everybody

18:26.340 --> 18:27.440
And it was

18:27.440 --> 18:27.880
You know

18:27.880 --> 18:28.580
It was a lot of

18:28.580 --> 18:29.920
A lot of bravado

18:29.920 --> 18:30.500
Going on

18:30.500 --> 18:31.380
Oh it's not real

18:31.380 --> 18:32.200
It's all fake

18:32.200 --> 18:33.380
But what if this

18:33.380 --> 18:34.180
And what if that

18:34.180 --> 18:35.220
You know

18:35.220 --> 18:36.200
They were all saying

18:36.200 --> 18:37.020
They don't believe it

18:37.020 --> 18:37.500
But they were

18:37.500 --> 18:38.160
You should have heard

18:38.160 --> 18:39.000
The way they were talking

18:39.000 --> 18:39.760
People were wiping

18:39.760 --> 18:40.740
Their hard drives

18:40.740 --> 18:41.800
And deleting files

18:41.800 --> 18:42.740
And shredding things

18:42.740 --> 18:43.400
And stuff like that

18:43.400 --> 18:44.000
Oh man

18:44.000 --> 18:45.280
Well

18:45.280 --> 18:46.840
I should back up

18:46.840 --> 18:47.500
Just a little bit

18:47.500 --> 18:48.220
And let everybody know

18:48.220 --> 18:49.560
That the forums

18:49.560 --> 18:50.280
Were down

18:50.280 --> 18:52.060
To normal members

18:52.060 --> 18:52.980
But moderators

18:52.980 --> 18:53.860
And DDP members

18:53.860 --> 18:54.640
Still have access

18:54.640 --> 18:55.320
To the forums

18:55.320 --> 18:56.060
And admins

18:56.060 --> 18:57.220
So

18:57.220 --> 18:58.600
The whole time

18:58.600 --> 18:59.180
That you guys

18:59.180 --> 18:59.560
Are out there

18:59.560 --> 19:00.560
Wondering what's going on

19:00.560 --> 19:01.120
We're inside

19:01.120 --> 19:02.020
Laughing our asses

19:02.020 --> 19:02.520
Off at you

19:02.520 --> 19:04.240
We were posting

19:04.240 --> 19:05.260
Messages in there

19:05.260 --> 19:06.100
About ideas

19:06.100 --> 19:07.020
Of let's sell it worse

19:07.020 --> 19:07.800
And let's do this

19:07.800 --> 19:08.100
So

19:08.100 --> 19:09.640
Everybody was in on it

19:09.640 --> 19:10.140
So if you want to

19:10.140 --> 19:11.260
Get mad only at me

19:11.260 --> 19:12.080
No no no

19:12.080 --> 19:13.520
Get mad at Black Ratchet

19:13.520 --> 19:14.360
Get mad at

19:14.360 --> 19:14.860
Everybody

19:14.860 --> 19:16.340
That was playing along

19:16.340 --> 19:17.140
Natus knew

19:17.140 --> 19:17.920
Everybody knew

19:17.920 --> 19:18.780
What was going on

19:18.780 --> 19:19.900
The whole time

19:19.900 --> 19:20.820
Droops was selling it

19:20.820 --> 19:21.380
Real well

19:21.380 --> 19:22.680
So

19:22.680 --> 19:24.320
In IRC

19:24.320 --> 19:25.240
I see Black Ratchet

19:25.240 --> 19:25.700
Is in there

19:25.700 --> 19:26.600
And he's selling it

19:26.600 --> 19:27.400
Playing along

19:27.400 --> 19:28.140
Hack and Slash

19:28.140 --> 19:28.800
Is in there

19:28.800 --> 19:30.360
And Droops

19:30.360 --> 19:31.100
I think was in there

19:31.100 --> 19:31.760
For a little bit

19:31.760 --> 19:33.460
But the funny thing

19:33.460 --> 19:34.240
Is that none of them

19:34.240 --> 19:35.280
Knew that I was in there

19:35.280 --> 19:36.180
Because I had come in

19:36.180 --> 19:37.040
Under a fake name

19:37.040 --> 19:38.700
And so people want to know

19:38.700 --> 19:39.780
What name I was in there

19:39.780 --> 19:40.040
Under

19:40.040 --> 19:41.200
Well the name I went in

19:41.200 --> 19:41.500
I just

19:41.500 --> 19:42.500
First thing that popped

19:42.500 --> 19:42.980
Into my head

19:42.980 --> 19:44.260
Was Jamie Madrox

19:44.260 --> 19:45.580
A.K.A.

19:45.580 --> 19:46.400
The Multiple Man

19:46.400 --> 19:47.200
If anybody reads

19:47.200 --> 19:48.520
The old X Factor comics

19:48.520 --> 19:49.320
And I figured

19:49.320 --> 19:49.980
I'm playing somebody

19:49.980 --> 19:50.260
Different

19:50.260 --> 19:50.940
A Multiple Man

19:50.940 --> 19:51.320
It fits

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So I was Jamie Madrox

19:52.640 --> 19:54.140
So if any of you

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Have logs

19:54.580 --> 19:55.180
You can go back

19:55.180 --> 19:55.500
And look

19:55.500 --> 19:56.200
And I started

19:56.200 --> 19:57.240
Playing to the Paranoid

19:57.240 --> 19:58.080
I came in as though

19:58.080 --> 19:58.860
I was this paranoid

19:58.860 --> 19:59.280
Hacker

19:59.280 --> 20:00.200
And I'm like

20:00.200 --> 20:00.680
Oh my god

20:00.680 --> 20:01.160
What's happened

20:01.160 --> 20:01.820
What's going on

20:01.820 --> 20:02.300
Is this real

20:02.300 --> 20:02.580
Or is it an

20:02.580 --> 20:03.240
April Fool's joke

20:03.240 --> 20:04.520
I started playing

20:04.520 --> 20:05.540
The Paranoid Hacker part

20:05.540 --> 20:06.220
And I was again

20:06.220 --> 20:06.840
SE-ing

20:06.840 --> 20:07.660
Just playing along

20:07.660 --> 20:08.180
Trying to

20:08.180 --> 20:09.320
Plant seeds

20:09.320 --> 20:10.140
In people's heads

20:10.140 --> 20:12.540
And I started

20:12.540 --> 20:13.380
Making up all these

20:13.380 --> 20:14.340
Stories about how

20:14.340 --> 20:15.140
I had a record

20:15.140 --> 20:15.940
And they were coming

20:15.940 --> 20:16.420
After me

20:16.420 --> 20:17.420
And I posted something

20:17.420 --> 20:18.360
And if I get busted

20:18.360 --> 20:19.180
I'm going to prison

20:19.180 --> 20:19.900
And I was going to

20:19.900 --> 20:20.640
Run for the border

20:20.640 --> 20:23.040
So I was really

20:23.040 --> 20:23.520
Selling it

20:23.520 --> 20:24.460
So hack and slash

20:24.460 --> 20:25.280
See the first thing

20:25.280 --> 20:25.580
I did was

20:25.580 --> 20:26.320
When I got on there

20:26.320 --> 20:27.380
I called Black Ratchet

20:27.380 --> 20:27.960
On the phone

20:27.960 --> 20:29.480
And I told him

20:29.480 --> 20:29.960
I said hey

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I'm Jamie Madrox

20:31.100 --> 20:31.540
By the way

20:31.540 --> 20:32.220
I just joined

20:32.220 --> 20:32.760
And I'm lurking

20:32.760 --> 20:33.840
To see what's going on

20:33.840 --> 20:34.520
So I want to let you

20:34.520 --> 20:35.060
Know it's me

20:35.060 --> 20:36.540
So he and I

20:36.540 --> 20:37.060
Were chatting

20:37.060 --> 20:37.860
Well

20:37.860 --> 20:38.720
Did you do anything

20:38.720 --> 20:39.940
To disguise your host

20:39.940 --> 20:40.720
I didn't

20:40.720 --> 20:41.380
Did anybody recognize

20:41.380 --> 20:42.280
Your previous host

20:42.280 --> 20:43.140
No exactly

20:43.140 --> 20:44.060
I did not

20:44.060 --> 20:44.940
And I can't believe

20:44.940 --> 20:45.440
That somebody

20:45.440 --> 20:46.580
Didn't look that up

20:46.580 --> 20:47.420
Now people

20:47.420 --> 20:48.000
Might not have

20:48.000 --> 20:49.060
Known the host

20:49.060 --> 20:49.940
I was coming from

20:49.940 --> 20:50.380
At work

20:50.380 --> 20:51.120
I'll give it that

20:51.120 --> 20:51.540
But somebody

20:51.540 --> 20:51.900
Would have

20:51.900 --> 20:53.000
Noticed it was

20:53.000 --> 20:53.760
Coming from Florida

20:53.760 --> 20:54.320
And should have

20:54.320 --> 20:55.200
Caught on to that

20:55.200 --> 20:56.180
And I expected it

20:56.180 --> 20:56.480
And I was

20:56.480 --> 20:57.280
Already ready

20:57.280 --> 20:57.940
I was prepared

20:57.940 --> 20:58.380
To bail

20:58.380 --> 20:59.080
If that happened

20:59.080 --> 21:00.260
But yes

21:00.260 --> 21:01.240
Nobody picked up

21:01.240 --> 21:01.540
On that

21:01.540 --> 21:02.180
I was shocked

21:02.180 --> 21:02.660
At that

21:02.660 --> 21:04.220
So

21:04.220 --> 21:05.620
It would have

21:05.620 --> 21:06.200
Resolved to

21:06.200 --> 21:06.640
Something

21:06.640 --> 21:08.320
A little bit

21:08.320 --> 21:10.220
Confusing anyway

21:10.220 --> 21:10.860
But that's another

21:10.860 --> 21:11.260
Story

21:11.260 --> 21:12.420
But the second

21:12.420 --> 21:12.880
Thing I did

21:12.880 --> 21:13.440
Is after letting

21:13.440 --> 21:13.960
Black Ratchet

21:13.960 --> 21:14.260
Know

21:14.260 --> 21:15.480
I sent a private

21:15.480 --> 21:16.000
Message to

21:16.000 --> 21:16.740
Hack and Slash

21:16.740 --> 21:17.960
And I think

21:17.960 --> 21:18.460
I just said

21:18.460 --> 21:18.940
Something like

21:18.940 --> 21:19.620
Peekaboo

21:19.620 --> 21:20.420
I see you

21:20.420 --> 21:21.840
I figured that

21:21.840 --> 21:22.280
Was a hint

21:22.280 --> 21:22.980
To let him know

21:22.980 --> 21:23.700
That it's me

21:23.700 --> 21:25.380
That's a weird

21:25.380 --> 21:26.040
Thing to say

21:26.040 --> 21:26.360
Right

21:26.360 --> 21:27.160
Who's going to

21:27.160 --> 21:27.600
Send a message

21:27.600 --> 21:27.860
That says

21:27.860 --> 21:28.300
Peekaboo

21:28.300 --> 21:28.860
I see you

21:28.860 --> 21:29.740
His response

21:29.740 --> 21:30.060
Was

21:30.060 --> 21:31.240
Well duh

21:31.240 --> 21:32.020
It's IRC

21:32.020 --> 21:32.380
Or something

21:32.380 --> 21:32.900
Like that

21:32.900 --> 21:33.960
So I'm like

21:33.960 --> 21:34.600
You dumbass

21:34.600 --> 21:35.100
You don't get

21:35.100 --> 21:35.620
That I'm trying

21:35.620 --> 21:36.080
To tell you

21:36.080 --> 21:36.480
It's me

21:36.480 --> 21:37.640
I can't come out

21:37.640 --> 21:38.240
And say it's me

21:38.240 --> 21:39.100
Because I don't

21:39.100 --> 21:39.440
Know if he's

21:39.440 --> 21:40.520
Really Hack and Slash

21:40.520 --> 21:41.700
Somebody else

21:41.700 --> 21:42.120
Could be using

21:42.120 --> 21:42.640
His handle

21:42.640 --> 21:42.920
Right

21:42.920 --> 21:44.100
Yeah

21:44.100 --> 21:45.160
I figured

21:45.160 --> 21:45.760
You know what

21:45.760 --> 21:46.440
I'm going to

21:46.440 --> 21:46.700
Mess with

21:46.700 --> 21:47.380
Hack and Slash

21:47.380 --> 21:47.560
Too

21:47.560 --> 21:48.020
So as far

21:48.020 --> 21:48.340
As he knew

21:48.340 --> 21:48.800
He was talking

21:48.800 --> 21:49.160
To somebody

21:49.160 --> 21:49.680
Named Jamie

21:49.680 --> 21:50.420
Madrox

21:50.420 --> 21:51.500
Hack and Slash

21:51.500 --> 21:51.880
I'm sorry

21:51.880 --> 21:52.440
To pone you

21:52.440 --> 21:53.000
On the air

21:53.000 --> 21:53.220
Buddy

21:53.220 --> 21:53.700
But that was

21:53.700 --> 21:54.200
Me the whole

21:54.200 --> 21:54.680
Time

21:54.680 --> 21:55.600
Sending you

21:55.600 --> 21:56.340
Private messages

21:56.340 --> 21:57.100
Talking about

21:57.100 --> 21:57.860
What an asshole

21:57.860 --> 21:58.640
Stank was

21:58.640 --> 21:59.160
And how I was

21:59.160 --> 21:59.520
Going to kick

21:59.520 --> 21:59.920
His ass

21:59.920 --> 22:00.400
When I saw

22:00.400 --> 22:00.580
Him

22:00.580 --> 22:01.320
And that it

22:01.320 --> 22:02.120
Was not a joke

22:02.120 --> 22:02.480
And that I

22:02.480 --> 22:03.060
Was going to

22:03.060 --> 22:03.480
Mexico

22:03.480 --> 22:04.080
And freaking

22:04.080 --> 22:04.480
Out

22:04.480 --> 22:05.400
Hack

22:05.400 --> 22:06.160
Sorry man

22:06.160 --> 22:06.620
That was me

22:06.620 --> 22:06.900
Buddy

22:06.900 --> 22:10.200
So anyway

22:10.200 --> 22:11.080
I played along

22:11.080 --> 22:11.560
I was out in

22:11.560 --> 22:12.020
The IRC

22:12.020 --> 22:12.580
For a channel

22:12.580 --> 22:13.060
For a while

22:13.060 --> 22:13.520
And I kept

22:13.520 --> 22:14.220
Posting things

22:14.220 --> 22:14.920
To stir people

22:14.920 --> 22:15.360
Up like

22:15.360 --> 22:16.240
Hey do you

22:16.240 --> 22:16.660
Think it has

22:16.660 --> 22:17.240
Anything to do

22:17.240 --> 22:17.640
With this

22:17.640 --> 22:18.080
Or what about

22:18.080 --> 22:18.680
That one time

22:18.680 --> 22:18.940
That

22:18.940 --> 22:19.420
And I'm just

22:19.420 --> 22:20.360
Planting seeds

22:20.360 --> 22:22.000
Because people

22:22.000 --> 22:22.700
Pick up on them

22:22.700 --> 22:23.100
And then go

22:23.100 --> 22:23.720
You know what

22:23.720 --> 22:24.720
Yeah maybe that's it

22:24.720 --> 22:25.660
Oh you may be right

22:25.660 --> 22:27.360
After I planted

22:27.360 --> 22:27.860
Enough seeds

22:27.860 --> 22:28.540
I just left

22:28.540 --> 22:29.100
And I let it

22:29.100 --> 22:29.780
Simmer for the rest

22:29.780 --> 22:30.140
Of the day

22:30.140 --> 22:30.880
I went to my

22:30.880 --> 22:31.920
2600 meeting

22:31.920 --> 22:32.940
I went to go

22:32.940 --> 22:33.640
See Sin City

22:33.640 --> 22:34.180
After which

22:34.180 --> 22:34.800
Which by the way

22:34.800 --> 22:35.160
Have you seen

22:35.160 --> 22:36.060
Did you see Sin City

22:36.060 --> 22:37.640
No I haven't had

22:37.640 --> 22:38.040
Chance to

22:38.040 --> 22:38.920
I want to go see it though

22:38.920 --> 22:40.320
What an awesome movie

22:40.320 --> 22:41.440
That was a very

22:41.440 --> 22:42.260
Very cool movie

22:42.260 --> 22:43.160
Too many nut shots

22:43.160 --> 22:43.900
But other than that

22:43.900 --> 22:44.760
It was a good movie

22:44.760 --> 22:47.060
So I saw that

22:47.060 --> 22:47.480
I got home

22:47.480 --> 22:48.300
About two in the morning

22:48.300 --> 22:49.100
I turned the forms

22:49.100 --> 22:49.600
Back on

22:49.600 --> 22:50.200
And went to bed

22:50.200 --> 22:50.820
And let everybody

22:50.820 --> 22:51.760
Know that it was a joke

22:51.760 --> 22:53.740
So I hope everybody

22:53.740 --> 22:54.360
Had fun

22:54.360 --> 22:55.180
It was a joke

22:55.180 --> 22:55.860
I know some people

22:55.860 --> 22:56.680
Got a little mad

22:56.680 --> 22:58.100
That it wasn't funny

22:58.100 --> 22:58.880
Or poor taste

22:58.880 --> 22:59.360
Or whatever

22:59.360 --> 23:01.580
And you know

23:01.580 --> 23:02.020
And the people

23:02.020 --> 23:02.740
Who sent me emails

23:02.740 --> 23:03.480
Thinking it was real

23:03.480 --> 23:04.160
I appreciate it

23:04.160 --> 23:04.660
People were actually

23:04.660 --> 23:05.240
Concerned

23:05.240 --> 23:06.000
And I felt bad

23:06.000 --> 23:06.500
About that

23:06.500 --> 23:07.120
But you know what

23:07.120 --> 23:07.900
It was all in fun

23:07.900 --> 23:08.540
I think everybody

23:08.540 --> 23:09.660
Understands that

23:09.660 --> 23:11.060
So we'll see

23:11.060 --> 23:11.880
What we can pull off

23:11.880 --> 23:12.360
Next year

23:12.360 --> 23:13.760
It's going to be

23:13.760 --> 23:14.440
A lot more difficult

23:14.440 --> 23:15.140
Next year though

23:15.140 --> 23:18.300
You didn't do anything

23:18.300 --> 23:18.820
For Slipnet?

23:20.400 --> 23:20.760
No

23:20.760 --> 23:21.400
No actually

23:21.400 --> 23:22.040
You know I haven't

23:22.040 --> 23:22.740
Gotten into that

23:22.740 --> 23:24.100
In doing that

23:24.100 --> 23:24.600
But that's

23:24.600 --> 23:25.160
That's probably

23:25.160 --> 23:25.980
A good idea to do

23:25.980 --> 23:26.680
We don't have

23:26.680 --> 23:27.360
A lot of like

23:27.360 --> 23:28.120
You know

23:28.120 --> 23:28.420
Because we

23:28.420 --> 23:28.940
Well we do have

23:28.940 --> 23:29.760
A forum on there

23:29.760 --> 23:30.000
Yeah

23:30.000 --> 23:31.000
But we don't have

23:31.000 --> 23:31.740
A lot of like

23:31.740 --> 23:32.500
You know

23:32.500 --> 23:33.780
Constantly changing pages

23:33.780 --> 23:34.880
And stuff like that

23:34.880 --> 23:35.500
It's you know

23:35.500 --> 23:36.100
Most of the updates

23:36.100 --> 23:36.720
Are for the shows

23:36.720 --> 23:37.480
And then of course

23:37.480 --> 23:38.340
Like you know

23:38.340 --> 23:39.560
People posting to the forums

23:39.560 --> 23:40.940
But I haven't thought

23:40.940 --> 23:41.380
Of doing that

23:41.380 --> 23:41.720
Might be

23:41.720 --> 23:42.460
We might have to

23:42.460 --> 23:43.020
Collaborate

23:43.020 --> 23:43.160
Might be a surprise

23:43.160 --> 23:43.660
Next year

23:43.660 --> 23:44.420
Yeah we might have

23:44.420 --> 23:45.580
To collaborate next year

23:45.580 --> 23:46.220
Same thing we did

23:46.220 --> 23:46.960
With Old School Freak

23:46.960 --> 23:47.660
We might just have to

23:47.660 --> 23:48.100
Work together

23:48.100 --> 23:49.020
And sell one big

23:49.020 --> 23:49.760
Total thing

23:49.760 --> 23:50.620
So Mark

23:50.620 --> 23:51.060
Here it is

23:51.060 --> 23:51.540
You're getting a

23:51.540 --> 23:52.220
One year notice

23:52.220 --> 23:52.880
If you forget

23:52.880 --> 23:53.660
One year from now

23:53.660 --> 23:54.620
And get owned again

23:54.620 --> 23:56.240
You've been warned

23:56.240 --> 23:58.160
It's all their fault

23:58.160 --> 23:59.120
Exactly

23:59.120 --> 24:00.020
Exactly

24:00.020 --> 24:01.680
Alright well

24:01.680 --> 24:02.960
Let's see

24:02.960 --> 24:04.480
I think it's email time

24:20.620 --> 24:26.720
And our first email

24:26.720 --> 24:27.340
This week

24:27.340 --> 24:30.160
Comes from Parish

24:30.160 --> 24:31.980
Parish says

24:31.980 --> 24:33.820
Dear Stinklog

24:33.820 --> 24:35.940
Apparently Parish

24:35.940 --> 24:36.520
There has a little

24:36.520 --> 24:37.400
Typing problem

24:37.400 --> 24:38.320
It's Stankdog

24:38.320 --> 24:38.680
But okay

24:38.680 --> 24:39.280
Stinklog

24:39.280 --> 24:40.060
We'll go with that

24:40.060 --> 24:41.880
Ratchet is so right

24:41.880 --> 24:43.000
About speak easy

24:43.000 --> 24:44.280
These folks are

24:44.280 --> 24:44.940
Very knowledgeable

24:44.940 --> 24:46.380
And Unix friendly

24:46.380 --> 24:47.840
They know how to

24:47.840 --> 24:48.660
Hammer the telcos

24:48.660 --> 24:49.780
To get a resolution

24:49.780 --> 24:50.280
Quick

24:50.280 --> 24:51.020
Which I've needed

24:51.020 --> 24:51.780
To take advantage

24:51.780 --> 24:53.040
Of on two occasions

24:53.040 --> 24:54.100
During either

24:54.100 --> 24:54.960
Of those two issues

24:54.960 --> 24:55.340
They had

24:55.340 --> 24:56.900
Kovad SBC techs

24:56.900 --> 24:57.680
In my driveway

24:57.680 --> 24:59.940
Within 36 hours

24:59.940 --> 25:01.380
I recommend

25:01.380 --> 25:02.200
Their one link

25:02.200 --> 25:03.520
Six megabit

25:03.520 --> 25:05.420
RADSL lines

25:05.420 --> 25:05.940
Which go for

25:05.940 --> 25:06.700
About a hundred bucks

25:06.700 --> 25:07.400
And don't require

25:07.400 --> 25:08.160
Bell service

25:08.160 --> 25:08.880
Well that's cool

25:08.880 --> 25:10.280
Since my physical

25:10.280 --> 25:11.440
Line issues were resolved

25:11.440 --> 25:12.220
I've only had about

25:12.220 --> 25:13.440
Two hours of scheduled

25:13.440 --> 25:14.540
Downtime in the past

25:14.540 --> 25:15.320
Six months

25:15.320 --> 25:17.100
Kudos on the past

25:17.100 --> 25:17.900
Few shows

25:17.900 --> 25:18.460
Hack TV

25:18.460 --> 25:19.380
And all of the sites

25:19.380 --> 25:21.160
Keep up the bad work

25:21.160 --> 25:23.300
Alright Parish

25:23.300 --> 25:24.200
We will keep

25:24.200 --> 25:24.740
Right on

25:24.740 --> 25:26.060
Sucking the joint up

25:26.060 --> 25:26.980
Because you

25:26.980 --> 25:27.900
The listeners

25:27.900 --> 25:28.580
Demanded it

25:28.580 --> 25:29.180
We suck

25:29.180 --> 25:31.380
Because you ask for it

25:31.380 --> 25:32.060
That should be

25:32.060 --> 25:32.700
That should be

25:32.700 --> 25:33.420
Our new motto

25:33.420 --> 25:38.000
As I have a little sip

25:38.000 --> 25:39.860
Of grape soda there

25:39.860 --> 25:40.280
I don't know why

25:40.280 --> 25:41.200
I'm on a grape soda kick

25:41.200 --> 25:41.500
But

25:41.500 --> 25:44.100
Grape soda is good stuff

25:44.100 --> 25:45.260
I loved it

25:45.260 --> 25:45.840
When I was a kid

25:45.840 --> 25:46.760
And ever since

25:46.760 --> 25:47.240
Interzone

25:47.240 --> 25:47.760
I've been on a

25:47.760 --> 25:48.420
Grape soda kick

25:48.420 --> 25:48.700
I know

25:48.700 --> 25:49.880
It's weird

25:49.880 --> 25:50.920
Because all the

25:50.920 --> 25:51.400
Machine hand

25:51.400 --> 25:52.280
I go through

25:52.280 --> 25:53.260
Soda phases

25:53.260 --> 25:55.140
I'm loyal to

25:55.140 --> 25:55.780
Like a certain

25:55.780 --> 25:56.920
Soda for a while

25:56.920 --> 25:57.300
It was

25:57.300 --> 25:58.280
Mountain Dew

25:58.280 --> 25:58.760
It went to

25:58.760 --> 25:59.380
Gatorade

25:59.380 --> 26:00.300
Now it's

26:00.300 --> 26:01.300
Lipton tea

26:01.300 --> 26:02.480
You know

26:02.480 --> 26:02.860
The sweet

26:02.860 --> 26:03.520
Lipton tea

26:03.520 --> 26:04.140
Yeah

26:04.140 --> 26:05.000
Oh and I'm glad

26:05.000 --> 26:05.320
You know

26:05.320 --> 26:05.720
That's a

26:05.720 --> 26:06.620
This is a weird

26:06.620 --> 26:07.300
Tangent

26:07.300 --> 26:08.680
Non-technical

26:08.680 --> 26:09.260
Tangent

26:09.260 --> 26:10.080
I'm going off on here

26:10.080 --> 26:10.920
But while I was up

26:10.920 --> 26:11.180
In

26:11.180 --> 26:12.320
Interzone

26:12.320 --> 26:12.800
Which was in

26:12.800 --> 26:13.180
Atlanta

26:13.180 --> 26:14.160
And I know

26:14.160 --> 26:14.720
You weren't able

26:14.720 --> 26:15.120
To make it

26:15.120 --> 26:15.460
But I know

26:15.460 --> 26:15.740
You had

26:15.740 --> 26:16.420
Rocket

26:16.420 --> 26:17.680
On the show

26:17.680 --> 26:17.980
Yeah

26:17.980 --> 26:19.420
We did interview

26:19.420 --> 26:19.920
With Rocket

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Which was very cool

26:21.080 --> 26:22.020
I listened to that

26:22.020 --> 26:23.480
While I was up

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There in Atlanta

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Well the reason

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I'm on the

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Grape soda kick

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Is because they

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Had a vending

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Machine there

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And everything

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Was sold out

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Except the

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Diet stuff

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And the

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Grape soda

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And I don't

26:32.280 --> 26:32.740
Drink diet

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I don't do

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Diet

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Nasty

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So I

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Started drinking

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Grape soda

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And I've been

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On a kick

26:36.500 --> 26:37.000
Ever since

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But the other

26:38.280 --> 26:38.960
Cool thing about

26:38.960 --> 26:39.340
Atlanta

26:39.340 --> 26:40.000
That I love

26:40.000 --> 26:40.420
And I miss

26:40.420 --> 26:40.900
About being

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In the south

26:41.420 --> 26:42.700
Is every

26:42.700 --> 26:43.260
Restaurant has

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Sweet iced tea

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And specifically

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You mentioned

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The Lipton iced tea

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The bottled stuff

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The stores in the south

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Meaning not Florida

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Unfortunately

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The stores up in the south

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Have something called

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Southern style

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Extra sweet

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In the bottles

26:59.540 --> 27:00.560
And it's the same tea

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It's just a little bit

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Sweeter than

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Than normal

27:02.680 --> 27:04.020
And oh

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I loved having that

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While I was up there

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For those couple of days

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I got

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Voodoo Hal actually

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Brought me a bottle

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Back when he went down

27:10.660 --> 27:11.520
On a beer run

27:11.520 --> 27:13.800
Brought me back

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Some extra sweet

27:14.740 --> 27:15.460
Lipton iced tea

27:15.460 --> 27:15.840
And I

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I wanted so bad

27:16.960 --> 27:17.700
To just bring a couple

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Cases back home with me

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Because they don't

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Have it down here

27:20.240 --> 27:22.800
How can it be a

27:22.800 --> 27:23.060
Lipton

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It's just like in Arizona

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We have a few things

27:24.840 --> 27:25.180
That are

27:25.180 --> 27:25.920
You know

27:25.920 --> 27:27.020
Little local

27:27.020 --> 27:27.500
Kind of like

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Hispanic drinks

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And food and candy

27:30.120 --> 27:30.920
And stuff like that

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That yeah

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You don't really find

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Anywhere

27:32.380 --> 27:33.400
When I went to Florida

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I mean I couldn't

27:33.960 --> 27:35.100
Even find a Mexican joint

27:35.100 --> 27:36.040
It was even impossible

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Yeah

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Well we have a lot of

27:37.580 --> 27:38.740
Spanish foods

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In restaurants

27:39.280 --> 27:40.120
But not Mexican

27:40.120 --> 27:40.600
We have

27:40.600 --> 27:40.920
It's

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You know

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They have different

27:41.980 --> 27:42.760
Styles down here

27:42.760 --> 27:43.300
And yeah

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There's some

27:43.680 --> 27:44.240
Different drinks

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I've tried

27:44.660 --> 27:45.500
Some at Malta

27:45.500 --> 27:46.600
And stuff like that

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Ugh

27:46.840 --> 27:48.880
I can't stand it

27:48.880 --> 27:49.980
Anyway

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You know

27:50.620 --> 27:51.600
We did this last week

27:51.600 --> 27:52.120
We went on a

27:52.120 --> 27:52.980
Soft drink tangent

27:52.980 --> 27:53.560
Last week

27:53.560 --> 27:54.400
And again this week

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I guess

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Hackers and soft drinks

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Have a link

27:56.860 --> 27:57.300
Or something

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I guess

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My favorite

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Hispanic drink

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Would be

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Mochaca

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Which it's

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It's kind of

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It's like rice milk

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It's

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It sounds kind of

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Discussing

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Rice milk

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But it

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It tastes

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Really good

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It's

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Real sweet

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Have you ever

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Tried that

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Banana

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Soat

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Banana

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Flavored soda

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The carbonated

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Stuff

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Oh

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That's nasty

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Oh

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Yuck

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Oh

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That's nasty

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Oh

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It's bad stuff

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You put it here now

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No banana

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Flavored soda

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Well somebody might like it

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But I don't

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I couldn't

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I didn't like it

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Okay

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Alright

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Anyway

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Let's go back

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On to some tech topics

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Here

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And actually

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This is a good

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This email is related

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To the previous one

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Tom in Chicago

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Writes

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Dear Stank Dog

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I'm about halfway

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Through listening

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To episode 89

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And I wanted to add

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To Black Ratchet's

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Props to Speakeasy

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For their tech support

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I've had Speakeasy

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For about three or four years now

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And they have

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The best tech support

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I've ever had to deal with

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And I used to work

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With tech support

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They're the only group

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That will admit

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If they do not know

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What the cause of a problem

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Could be

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And if they did

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And if they didn't

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Know the answer

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They will get back to you

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With solution

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Fairly quickly

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I've had a couple of issues

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With my DSL lines

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Over the year

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And each time

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If they had to call me back

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They did

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Sometimes I would even

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Get two callbacks

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Anyway

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Just wanted to add

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Props to Speakeasy

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And I am one of the listeners

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That love this show

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Can't wait for the new issue

29:16.500 --> 29:17.400
Of Binary Revolution

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To be released

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I have the first two

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Keep up the great work

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If you have the first two

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You're actually missing

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A third one

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We have three issues

29:25.680 --> 29:26.260
Of the magazine

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That are released

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And a fourth one

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That is

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Getting closer

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Trust me

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I promise you

29:30.820 --> 29:31.500
It's getting closer

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But I think

29:33.280 --> 29:35.560
The moral here

29:35.560 --> 29:35.900
And I think

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We'll put this to bed

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It sounds like

29:37.360 --> 29:38.580
We have a consensus

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That Speakeasy

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Has kick-ass tech support

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Yeah

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Actually

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Speakeasy

29:43.880 --> 29:44.980
If I'm correct

29:44.980 --> 29:45.680
I believe they're owned

29:45.680 --> 29:46.120
By a company

29:46.120 --> 29:47.040
Called PeerGig

29:47.040 --> 29:47.480
And actually

29:47.480 --> 29:48.000
PeerGig

29:48.000 --> 29:48.820
Is here in

29:48.820 --> 29:50.260
Phoenix

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And they are

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An ISP

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Well

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I don't know

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If they own it

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But I know

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That they host

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Speakeasy's

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Servers here

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When you go

29:59.240 --> 30:00.160
To SourceForge

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And you want to

30:00.960 --> 30:01.580
Grab something

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And you'll see

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Phoenix, Arizona

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They have one

30:03.740 --> 30:04.240
That's down there

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And I've been

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In their facility

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It's awesome

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They have

30:07.600 --> 30:09.700
Seven gigabits

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Of bandwidth

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Wow

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Seven gigabits

30:14.120 --> 30:14.620
They have

30:14.620 --> 30:15.700
I think they have

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They use about

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Four or five

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Different carriers

30:17.740 --> 30:18.640
For redundancy

30:18.640 --> 30:20.180
And they've been

30:20.180 --> 30:21.960
In their facility

30:21.960 --> 30:22.600
And it's

30:22.600 --> 30:24.000
It's pretty amazing

30:24.000 --> 30:24.940
Yeah

30:24.940 --> 30:25.540
If you've never

30:25.540 --> 30:26.480
Been in a big

30:26.480 --> 30:27.420
ISP

30:27.420 --> 30:27.860
And a big

30:27.860 --> 30:28.820
Backbone provider

30:28.820 --> 30:29.620
Big ISP

30:29.620 --> 30:30.340
Provider

30:30.340 --> 30:33.120
And not that I

30:33.120 --> 30:33.960
I have to admit

30:33.960 --> 30:34.580
I've never been

30:34.580 --> 30:35.300
Into a big one

30:35.300 --> 30:35.620
But I mean

30:35.620 --> 30:36.460
I worked for a company

30:36.460 --> 30:37.040
That had a very

30:37.040 --> 30:37.880
Large data center

30:37.880 --> 30:39.400
And I've seen

30:39.400 --> 30:40.720
I mean

30:40.720 --> 30:41.540
I love

30:41.540 --> 30:42.640
A good computer room

30:42.640 --> 30:43.200
To me

30:43.200 --> 30:44.160
It's like a work of art

30:44.160 --> 30:45.820
Having the raised floors

30:45.820 --> 30:46.860
And the air conditioning

30:46.860 --> 30:47.940
And the water detection

30:47.940 --> 30:48.380
And the

30:48.380 --> 30:49.240
Car

30:49.240 --> 30:49.960
And the halon

30:49.960 --> 30:50.620
And all that

30:50.620 --> 30:51.160
Kind of stuff

30:51.160 --> 30:52.620
We had a

30:52.620 --> 30:53.700
Just a wonderful

30:53.700 --> 30:55.520
Wonderful data center

30:55.520 --> 30:56.180
And the company

30:56.180 --> 30:57.200
I used to work for

30:57.200 --> 30:59.420
And I know

30:59.420 --> 31:00.380
What it's like

31:00.380 --> 31:01.380
In a small data center

31:01.380 --> 31:02.620
I would just marvel

31:02.620 --> 31:03.420
To see one of the

31:03.420 --> 31:05.080
Large data centers

31:05.080 --> 31:05.680
Go to like

31:05.680 --> 31:06.900
I'm not sure

31:06.900 --> 31:08.660
Like servermatrix.com

31:08.660 --> 31:09.260
Or

31:09.260 --> 31:11.880
Oneinone.net

31:11.880 --> 31:12.680
Go to their website

31:12.680 --> 31:13.800
And I think

31:13.800 --> 31:14.840
Most of the big ones

31:14.840 --> 31:15.620
Offer pictures

31:15.620 --> 31:16.640
Of their data center

31:16.640 --> 31:18.260
And some of the insides

31:18.260 --> 31:19.300
And take a look

31:19.300 --> 31:20.080
I mean

31:20.080 --> 31:20.880
It's just such a

31:20.880 --> 31:21.580
Cool visual

31:21.580 --> 31:22.320
It's just such a

31:22.320 --> 31:23.340
Cool thing to look at

31:23.340 --> 31:23.740
To me

31:23.740 --> 31:24.780
Yeah

31:24.780 --> 31:25.860
I've been in that one

31:25.860 --> 31:26.340
And I've been in

31:26.340 --> 31:27.560
AT&T's data center

31:27.560 --> 31:28.060
Down here

31:28.060 --> 31:28.960
And it's just insane

31:28.960 --> 31:29.500
You just like

31:29.500 --> 31:31.000
You walk by the machine

31:31.000 --> 31:31.680
And you just wonder

31:31.680 --> 31:32.560
What the hell

31:32.560 --> 31:34.080
Like runs on all this stuff

31:34.080 --> 31:35.220
Like one area

31:35.220 --> 31:35.980
Was just like

31:35.980 --> 31:36.580
You know

31:36.580 --> 31:38.000
All sun equipment

31:38.000 --> 31:38.680
And just like

31:38.680 --> 31:39.660
Blades and everything

31:39.660 --> 31:40.380
And it was just

31:40.380 --> 31:40.980
You know

31:40.980 --> 31:41.900
Wall to wall

31:41.900 --> 31:42.660
Just sun

31:42.660 --> 31:43.940
And I saw another area

31:43.940 --> 31:44.520
That had

31:44.520 --> 31:45.460
At least

31:45.460 --> 31:47.320
300 dell servers

31:47.320 --> 31:48.400
And they're just all

31:48.400 --> 31:49.280
On a rack

31:49.280 --> 31:49.860
Sitting up there

31:49.860 --> 31:50.220
And I'm thinking

31:50.220 --> 31:50.480
And I'm like

31:50.480 --> 31:51.760
What do they do

31:51.760 --> 31:52.140
You know

31:52.140 --> 31:52.640
With all this

31:52.640 --> 31:53.500
We had a web server

31:53.500 --> 31:54.580
That I used to run

31:54.580 --> 31:55.180
That was down

31:55.180 --> 31:55.960
At one of these places

31:55.960 --> 31:57.360
And we got it

31:57.360 --> 31:57.780
And you have

31:57.780 --> 31:58.820
You know

31:58.820 --> 32:00.220
There's the

32:00.220 --> 32:01.280
Handprint detection

32:01.280 --> 32:02.220
Mechanism over at

32:02.220 --> 32:02.780
AT&T

32:02.780 --> 32:03.420
That they use

32:03.420 --> 32:04.020
To get in there

32:04.020 --> 32:04.340
And then

32:04.340 --> 32:05.080
You know

32:05.080 --> 32:06.100
Your ID's

32:06.100 --> 32:06.960
And all that stuff

32:06.960 --> 32:07.440
And there's

32:07.440 --> 32:08.140
You know

32:08.140 --> 32:08.560
There's

32:08.560 --> 32:09.740
There's a handprint

32:09.740 --> 32:10.540
That you have to do

32:10.540 --> 32:11.240
Just to get into

32:11.240 --> 32:13.400
To one area of doors

32:13.400 --> 32:13.940
And then you got to

32:13.940 --> 32:14.400
Do it again

32:14.400 --> 32:15.260
To get into the next

32:15.260 --> 32:15.620
And

32:15.620 --> 32:17.000
And yeah

32:17.000 --> 32:17.640
We walk around

32:17.640 --> 32:18.100
And look at everything

32:18.100 --> 32:18.400
It's

32:18.400 --> 32:19.600
It's pretty crazy

32:19.600 --> 32:20.240
And then over at

32:20.240 --> 32:20.440
The

32:20.440 --> 32:22.100
Pure gig site

32:22.100 --> 32:22.980
You see all these

32:22.980 --> 32:23.960
You know

32:23.960 --> 32:24.660
Fiber lines

32:24.660 --> 32:25.240
Just coming in

32:25.240 --> 32:25.720
They had about

32:25.720 --> 32:27.520
I think

32:27.520 --> 32:27.700
Yeah

32:27.700 --> 32:29.340
About five or six

32:29.340 --> 32:29.980
Fiber lines

32:29.980 --> 32:30.260
Coming

32:30.260 --> 32:30.920
And then they have

32:30.920 --> 32:31.620
These devices

32:31.620 --> 32:33.320
That do fail over

32:33.320 --> 32:34.060
For the fiber

32:34.060 --> 32:35.120
And everything like that

32:35.120 --> 32:36.040
One line goes down

32:36.040 --> 32:36.640
And it automatically

32:36.640 --> 32:37.880
Switch over to the next one

32:37.880 --> 32:38.800
And

32:38.800 --> 32:40.020
You know

32:40.020 --> 32:40.600
And they had

32:40.600 --> 32:42.240
I think

32:42.240 --> 32:43.100
I think the guy

32:43.100 --> 32:44.020
Said that they had

32:44.020 --> 32:45.580
Forty-three

32:45.580 --> 32:46.880
Security cameras

32:46.880 --> 32:48.780
You know

32:48.780 --> 32:49.680
And it's all

32:49.680 --> 32:50.520
Backed up

32:50.520 --> 32:51.020
I think they could

32:51.020 --> 32:51.440
Back up

32:51.440 --> 32:51.820
They said

32:51.820 --> 32:53.340
Three months worth

32:53.340 --> 32:53.880
Of video

32:53.880 --> 32:55.260
You know

32:55.260 --> 32:56.000
They had their own

32:56.000 --> 32:56.380
Diesel

32:56.380 --> 32:58.140
Backup generator

32:58.140 --> 32:58.720
But then they had

32:58.720 --> 32:59.420
These huge

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You know

33:00.860 --> 33:02.360
Battery backups

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To where

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If the power

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Went out

33:04.180 --> 33:04.620
Had run off

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The battery

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Backup

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Enough time

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For the generator

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To kick in

33:08.020 --> 33:09.160
They had a chiller

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Unit

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They had

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You know

33:10.660 --> 33:11.300
It's just amazing

33:11.300 --> 33:11.720
They've got

33:11.720 --> 33:13.460
Everything in these places

33:13.460 --> 33:13.980
And it's just

33:13.980 --> 33:14.540
You look at it

33:14.540 --> 33:15.200
It's kind of amazing

33:15.200 --> 33:16.520
One thing I did find

33:16.520 --> 33:16.800
Though

33:16.800 --> 33:18.240
I found one little

33:18.240 --> 33:19.940
Security problem

33:19.940 --> 33:22.000
And I won't say

33:22.000 --> 33:22.680
Which one it was

33:22.680 --> 33:23.960
But they had

33:23.960 --> 33:24.820
A power strip

33:24.820 --> 33:25.940
You get a power strip

33:25.940 --> 33:26.840
That goes for each

33:26.840 --> 33:27.440
Little cage

33:27.440 --> 33:29.020
The power strip

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Had a reset button

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On it

33:31.000 --> 33:33.420
So

33:33.420 --> 33:34.400
Is that a reset

33:34.400 --> 33:34.720
For the

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When I spoke

33:36.460 --> 33:38.180
To the guy

33:38.180 --> 33:38.420
I said

33:38.420 --> 33:38.620
Look

33:38.620 --> 33:38.880
I said

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This power strip

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It's right on the

33:39.920 --> 33:40.480
Edge of the cage

33:40.480 --> 33:40.760
I said

33:40.760 --> 33:41.220
If somebody wants

33:41.220 --> 33:41.500
To come over

33:41.500 --> 33:41.860
And hit that

33:41.860 --> 33:42.560
Reset button

33:42.560 --> 33:43.700
That's it

33:43.700 --> 33:44.560
It drops it

33:44.560 --> 33:45.480
And

33:45.480 --> 33:47.080
So that's

33:47.080 --> 33:47.720
That's kind of

33:47.720 --> 33:48.260
An insecurity

33:48.260 --> 33:48.740
Right there

33:48.740 --> 33:49.260
Is having a little

33:49.260 --> 33:49.920
Reset button

33:49.920 --> 33:50.480
So if you have

33:50.480 --> 33:51.180
Whatever redundancy

33:51.180 --> 33:51.680
You have

33:51.680 --> 33:52.900
Power wise

33:52.900 --> 33:53.460
It's usually

33:53.460 --> 33:54.560
They usually rely

33:54.560 --> 33:55.140
On the building

33:55.140 --> 33:55.780
They don't

33:55.780 --> 33:56.260
They don't really

33:56.260 --> 33:56.800
Rely on

33:56.800 --> 33:57.540
Putting their own

33:57.540 --> 33:58.280
Battery back up

33:58.280 --> 33:58.500
In there

33:58.500 --> 33:59.580
So you pop that

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Button

33:59.880 --> 34:02.020
And it cycles

34:02.020 --> 34:02.540
With power

34:02.540 --> 34:03.960
So it's not

34:03.960 --> 34:04.420
Very good

34:04.420 --> 34:05.560
To have that

34:05.560 --> 34:06.580
And some people

34:06.580 --> 34:07.340
Would argue about

34:07.340 --> 34:08.760
The biometrics

34:08.760 --> 34:09.500
With the handprints

34:09.500 --> 34:09.880
Or whatever

34:09.880 --> 34:10.520
To get in the building

34:10.520 --> 34:10.900
You know

34:10.900 --> 34:11.600
Those have been

34:11.600 --> 34:12.560
Proven to have

34:12.560 --> 34:13.120
Some vulnerability

34:13.120 --> 34:13.780
But you know

34:13.780 --> 34:14.480
What the thing is

34:14.480 --> 34:15.340
Is that you're not

34:15.340 --> 34:16.140
Relying on that

34:16.140 --> 34:16.920
And that alone

34:16.920 --> 34:17.660
It's just

34:17.660 --> 34:18.280
You know

34:18.280 --> 34:19.200
Physical security

34:19.200 --> 34:19.880
Is DDR

34:19.880 --> 34:20.560
Detect

34:20.560 --> 34:20.960
Delay

34:20.960 --> 34:21.460
Detect

34:21.460 --> 34:22.640
And respond

34:22.640 --> 34:23.680
So

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Yeah

34:23.860 --> 34:25.760
The key fobs

34:25.760 --> 34:26.440
You just wave

34:26.440 --> 34:26.880
The wand

34:26.880 --> 34:27.520
Next to that

34:27.520 --> 34:29.480
I don't know

34:29.480 --> 34:30.200
Which one I'd like

34:30.200 --> 34:30.460
Better

34:30.460 --> 34:31.640
But the

34:31.640 --> 34:32.280
The AT&T one

34:32.280 --> 34:32.700
Seems a little

34:32.700 --> 34:33.460
Bit more secure

34:33.460 --> 34:34.620
But you know

34:34.620 --> 34:34.980
Either way

34:34.980 --> 34:35.380
It's going to be

34:35.380 --> 34:36.240
Tough to get in there

34:36.240 --> 34:36.760
Right

34:36.760 --> 34:37.700
So it's a combination

34:37.700 --> 34:38.660
Of all of those

34:38.660 --> 34:38.920
Things

34:38.920 --> 34:39.560
Detect delay

34:39.560 --> 34:40.040
Response

34:40.040 --> 34:41.440
And just delay

34:41.440 --> 34:42.400
Them from getting in

34:42.400 --> 34:43.000
Until you do

34:43.000 --> 34:43.520
Detect them

34:43.520 --> 34:44.020
Or find them

34:44.020 --> 34:44.360
And then

34:44.360 --> 34:45.020
Respond to them

34:45.020 --> 34:45.440
So you know

34:45.440 --> 34:45.820
What it's

34:45.820 --> 34:46.320
It's all those

34:46.320 --> 34:47.000
Things combined

34:47.000 --> 34:47.780
And it's a good

34:47.780 --> 34:48.000
Thing

34:48.000 --> 34:49.640
And the reason

34:49.640 --> 34:50.180
They probably have

34:50.180 --> 34:50.760
All those Dells

34:50.760 --> 34:51.200
Now that you

34:51.200 --> 34:51.700
Mention that

34:51.700 --> 34:52.400
Is for storage

34:52.400 --> 34:52.820
Of all that

34:52.820 --> 34:54.180
Damn 43 cameras

34:54.180 --> 34:54.920
Worth of data

34:54.920 --> 34:56.500
Oh yeah

34:56.500 --> 34:56.880
Yeah

34:56.880 --> 34:57.560
Well that was

34:57.560 --> 34:58.140
Over at

34:58.140 --> 34:59.260
That was over

34:59.260 --> 34:59.820
AT&T

34:59.820 --> 35:00.980
And that was

35:00.980 --> 35:01.360
Just one of

35:01.360 --> 35:01.920
Their clients

35:01.920 --> 35:02.840
But usually

35:02.840 --> 35:03.340
Yeah when I

35:03.340 --> 35:04.040
See large

35:04.040 --> 35:05.180
Things like that

35:05.180 --> 35:06.420
You know

35:06.420 --> 35:07.320
All I do

35:07.320 --> 35:07.760
Is think of

35:07.760 --> 35:08.140
Storage

35:08.140 --> 35:08.560
Storage

35:08.560 --> 35:09.000
Storage

35:09.000 --> 35:09.740
You know

35:09.740 --> 35:10.880
Or maybe

35:10.880 --> 35:11.280
They're

35:11.280 --> 35:11.900
You know

35:11.900 --> 35:12.120
Maybe

35:12.120 --> 35:13.260
Maybe they're

35:13.260 --> 35:14.080
A hosting company

35:14.080 --> 35:14.340
And they're

35:14.340 --> 35:14.800
Actually using

35:14.800 --> 35:15.420
AT&T

35:15.420 --> 35:15.960
As their

35:15.960 --> 35:16.840
You know

35:16.840 --> 35:17.360
Their pipe

35:17.360 --> 35:17.660
You know

35:17.660 --> 35:18.060
So maybe

35:18.060 --> 35:18.740
Those are all

35:18.740 --> 35:19.880
You know

35:19.880 --> 35:20.720
Little web servers

35:20.720 --> 35:21.400
And stuff like that

35:21.400 --> 35:22.160
Right

35:22.160 --> 35:22.760
Right

35:22.760 --> 35:24.940
Yeah I

35:24.940 --> 35:25.400
Actually

35:25.400 --> 35:26.220
Just to jump in

35:26.220 --> 35:26.740
Have you seen

35:26.740 --> 35:27.540
How Gmail's

35:27.540 --> 35:28.080
Counting up

35:28.080 --> 35:28.800
Its megabytes

35:28.800 --> 35:29.180
That your

35:29.180 --> 35:30.040
Storage capacity

35:30.040 --> 35:30.320
Yeah

35:30.320 --> 35:30.980
That was

35:30.980 --> 35:31.600
That was

35:31.600 --> 35:32.120
Pointed out

35:32.120 --> 35:33.300
And I think

35:33.300 --> 35:33.960
They started it

35:33.960 --> 35:34.440
Like around

35:34.440 --> 35:35.080
April 1st

35:35.080 --> 35:35.520
Or something

35:35.520 --> 35:36.300
Because didn't

35:36.300 --> 35:36.960
They start Gmail

35:36.960 --> 35:37.760
On April 1st

35:37.760 --> 35:38.100
And everybody

35:38.100 --> 35:38.680
Thought it was

35:38.680 --> 35:39.120
A joke

35:39.120 --> 35:40.200
A gigabyte

35:40.200 --> 35:40.600
Of storage

35:40.600 --> 35:41.000
For email

35:41.000 --> 35:41.360
And everybody

35:41.360 --> 35:42.140
Thought that was

35:42.140 --> 35:42.880
The email joke

35:42.880 --> 35:43.460
Or that was

35:43.460 --> 35:44.140
The April Fool's

35:44.140 --> 35:44.300
Joke

35:44.300 --> 35:45.220
And it wasn't

35:45.220 --> 35:46.080
And this year

35:46.080 --> 35:46.640
For the one year

35:46.640 --> 35:47.080
Anniversary

35:47.080 --> 35:47.700
They bumped it

35:47.700 --> 35:48.180
Up to two

35:48.180 --> 35:48.580
And everybody

35:48.580 --> 35:49.180
Thought that was

35:49.180 --> 35:49.600
The joke

35:49.600 --> 35:50.300
No

35:50.300 --> 35:50.880
It's not only

35:50.880 --> 35:51.180
Two

35:51.180 --> 35:51.880
But it's climbing

35:51.880 --> 35:52.660
Two gigs

35:52.660 --> 35:53.740
And 60 megabytes

35:53.740 --> 35:54.660
It was counting

35:54.660 --> 35:55.540
Really fast

35:55.540 --> 35:55.960
And actually

35:55.960 --> 35:56.340
Now they

35:56.340 --> 35:56.820
I think they

35:56.820 --> 35:57.140
Added like

35:57.140 --> 35:57.720
Another decimal

35:57.720 --> 35:58.120
Or so

35:58.120 --> 35:58.900
And they

35:58.900 --> 35:59.720
They slowed it

35:59.720 --> 35:59.980
Down

35:59.980 --> 36:01.000
But it's

36:01.000 --> 36:02.180
It's like

36:02.180 --> 36:02.640
It's counting

36:02.640 --> 36:03.140
Forever

36:03.140 --> 36:03.580
I mean

36:03.580 --> 36:04.360
It's kind of

36:04.360 --> 36:04.700
Interesting

36:04.700 --> 36:05.220
Yeah

36:05.220 --> 36:05.700
It is

36:05.700 --> 36:05.980
It's

36:05.980 --> 36:07.040
And if you

36:07.040 --> 36:07.620
Read their fact

36:07.620 --> 36:08.180
They're basically

36:08.180 --> 36:08.720
Saying

36:08.720 --> 36:10.700
If we could

36:10.700 --> 36:11.280
We would just

36:11.280 --> 36:12.000
Put it completely

36:12.000 --> 36:12.540
Unlimited

36:12.540 --> 36:13.160
But the point

36:13.160 --> 36:13.480
They're trying

36:13.480 --> 36:14.140
To get across

36:14.140 --> 36:14.520
Is

36:14.520 --> 36:15.100
Think of it

36:15.100 --> 36:15.720
As unlimited

36:15.720 --> 36:16.140
We're going

36:16.140 --> 36:16.720
To keep adding

36:16.720 --> 36:17.200
It as long

36:17.200 --> 36:17.320
As long as

36:17.320 --> 36:18.000
There's demand

36:18.000 --> 36:18.860
And need for it

36:18.860 --> 36:19.780
As long as

36:19.780 --> 36:20.660
People keep using it

36:20.660 --> 36:21.380
They can justify

36:21.380 --> 36:21.940
Buying it

36:21.940 --> 36:22.560
Or upgrading it

36:22.560 --> 36:22.820
I guess

36:22.820 --> 36:23.220
Is what their

36:23.220 --> 36:23.820
Point is

36:23.820 --> 36:24.840
Yeah

36:24.840 --> 36:25.400
Because they say

36:25.400 --> 36:26.420
Gmail stands for

36:26.420 --> 36:27.120
Growth mail

36:27.120 --> 36:27.740
Actually is what

36:27.740 --> 36:28.160
They say

36:28.160 --> 36:29.360
Oh

36:29.360 --> 36:30.100
I never heard that

36:30.100 --> 36:30.340
Before

36:30.340 --> 36:30.980
That's interesting

36:30.980 --> 36:31.740
Yeah

36:31.740 --> 36:32.600
I read on their site

36:32.600 --> 36:32.800
Yeah

36:32.800 --> 36:33.200
I went through

36:33.200 --> 36:33.920
The whole FAQ

36:33.920 --> 36:33.940
The whole FAQ

36:33.940 --> 36:34.220
And everything

36:34.220 --> 36:34.620
Like that

36:34.620 --> 36:35.180
G I guess

36:35.180 --> 36:35.600
Stands for

36:35.600 --> 36:35.960
Growth

36:35.960 --> 36:36.260
Oh

36:36.260 --> 36:36.460
I don't

36:36.460 --> 36:36.720
Remember

36:36.720 --> 36:37.240
Seeing that

36:37.240 --> 36:38.540
Interesting

36:38.540 --> 36:40.140
Alright

36:40.140 --> 36:40.680
Well let's

36:40.680 --> 36:41.200
Go through

36:41.200 --> 36:41.500
Some more

36:41.500 --> 36:42.200
Emails here

36:42.200 --> 36:42.660
Let's burn

36:42.660 --> 36:43.060
Through a few

36:43.060 --> 36:43.300
Of these

36:43.300 --> 36:43.580
We're

36:43.580 --> 36:44.280
Getting into

36:44.280 --> 36:44.560
The show

36:44.560 --> 36:45.020
Pretty deep

36:45.020 --> 36:45.240
Here

36:45.240 --> 36:47.620
Next email

36:47.620 --> 36:48.140
Here comes

36:48.140 --> 36:48.440
From

36:48.440 --> 36:49.020
Super

36:49.020 --> 36:49.960
Super

36:49.960 --> 36:50.340
Is that right

36:50.340 --> 36:50.620
I think

36:50.620 --> 36:50.860
Yeah

36:50.860 --> 36:52.260
It says

36:52.260 --> 36:52.780
In the last

36:52.780 --> 36:53.160
Show

36:53.160 --> 36:53.720
Doug

36:53.720 --> 36:54.820
Was asking

36:54.820 --> 36:55.200
About

36:55.200 --> 36:56.780
Setting

36:56.780 --> 36:57.400
Okay hold on

36:57.400 --> 36:57.660
A second

36:57.660 --> 36:58.140
Here

36:58.140 --> 37:00.240
Last show

37:00.240 --> 37:01.000
Okay it's

37:01.000 --> 37:01.360
Kind of hard

37:01.360 --> 37:01.660
When people

37:01.660 --> 37:02.160
Say last

37:02.160 --> 37:02.360
Show

37:02.360 --> 37:02.940
Because I

37:02.940 --> 37:03.140
Don't know

37:03.140 --> 37:03.480
Which one

37:03.480 --> 37:03.900
They've listened

37:03.900 --> 37:04.420
To or

37:04.420 --> 37:04.820
If they're

37:04.820 --> 37:05.260
Caught up

37:05.260 --> 37:05.560
To the

37:05.560 --> 37:06.000
Most recent

37:06.000 --> 37:06.380
One

37:06.380 --> 37:07.620
Last show

37:07.620 --> 37:08.100
Was Doug

37:08.100 --> 37:08.800
Asking about

37:08.800 --> 37:09.540
Setting multiple

37:09.540 --> 37:10.560
TCP flags

37:10.560 --> 37:11.080
In a single

37:11.080 --> 37:11.640
Packet

37:11.640 --> 37:12.460
Such as

37:12.460 --> 37:12.980
In the case

37:12.980 --> 37:13.300
Of a

37:13.300 --> 37:13.620
Send

37:13.620 --> 37:14.400
Plus

37:14.400 --> 37:14.820
Act

37:14.820 --> 37:15.300
Response

37:15.300 --> 37:15.580
On a

37:15.580 --> 37:16.020
Send packet

37:16.020 --> 37:16.460
And half

37:16.460 --> 37:17.240
Open scans

37:17.240 --> 37:18.660
I don't

37:18.660 --> 37:19.280
Think that

37:19.280 --> 37:20.500
Was episode

37:20.500 --> 37:22.040
Doug was on

37:22.040 --> 37:22.700
Episode 88

37:22.700 --> 37:23.620
And I don't

37:23.620 --> 37:23.920
Think we

37:23.920 --> 37:24.400
Talked about

37:24.400 --> 37:25.020
That on 88

37:25.020 --> 37:25.700
With Doug

37:25.700 --> 37:26.140
Doug's

37:26.140 --> 37:26.640
Probably

37:26.640 --> 37:29.040
Has no clue

37:29.040 --> 37:29.340
What we're

37:29.340 --> 37:29.700
Talking about

37:29.700 --> 37:29.780
Here

37:29.780 --> 37:30.380
That's probably

37:30.380 --> 37:31.080
Black Ratchet

37:31.080 --> 37:31.440
And I

37:31.440 --> 37:32.020
Talking about

37:32.020 --> 37:32.780
This on 89

37:32.780 --> 37:33.780
Last week

37:33.780 --> 37:34.640
I think

37:34.640 --> 37:35.120
Unless I

37:35.120 --> 37:35.640
Just forgot

37:35.640 --> 37:36.080
About it

37:36.080 --> 37:36.380
But

37:36.380 --> 37:37.940
Anyway

37:37.940 --> 37:38.520
Let me

37:38.520 --> 37:39.100
To continue

37:39.100 --> 37:40.340
This is

37:40.340 --> 37:40.880
Possible

37:40.880 --> 37:41.280
Using

37:41.280 --> 37:41.940
This is

37:41.940 --> 37:42.280
Possible

37:42.280 --> 37:42.720
Because the

37:42.720 --> 37:43.120
Flags in

37:43.120 --> 37:43.580
The TCP

37:43.580 --> 37:43.960
Header

37:43.960 --> 37:44.400
Is a

37:44.400 --> 37:44.600
Bit

37:44.600 --> 37:45.040
Mask

37:45.040 --> 37:45.700
You can

37:45.700 --> 37:45.980
Set as

37:45.980 --> 37:46.260
Many of

37:46.260 --> 37:46.620
The flags

37:46.620 --> 37:46.940
As you

37:46.940 --> 37:47.240
Want

37:47.240 --> 37:47.840
In an

37:47.840 --> 37:48.260
Nmap

37:48.260 --> 37:48.660
Christmas

37:48.660 --> 37:49.080
Scan

37:49.080 --> 37:49.840
All of

37:49.840 --> 37:50.280
The flags

37:50.280 --> 37:50.740
Are set

37:50.740 --> 37:51.420
The

37:51.420 --> 37:52.120
PSH

37:52.120 --> 37:52.540
Or

37:52.540 --> 37:53.480
Push

37:53.480 --> 37:54.240
Is used

37:54.240 --> 37:54.700
To regulate

37:54.700 --> 37:55.160
Buffering

37:55.160 --> 37:55.540
On the

37:55.540 --> 37:56.040
Receiving

37:56.040 --> 37:56.440
End

37:56.440 --> 37:57.020
The data

37:57.020 --> 37:57.640
Accumulating

37:57.640 --> 37:57.980
From the

37:57.980 --> 37:58.300
TCP

37:58.300 --> 37:58.900
Stream

37:58.900 --> 37:59.680
May be

37:59.680 --> 37:59.940
Held

37:59.940 --> 38:00.440
In kernel

38:00.440 --> 38:00.760
Memory

38:00.760 --> 38:01.180
Buffers

38:01.180 --> 38:01.780
Before being

38:01.780 --> 38:02.360
Delivered to

38:02.360 --> 38:03.060
The userland

38:03.060 --> 38:03.760
Application

38:03.760 --> 38:04.720
The push

38:04.720 --> 38:05.080
Flag

38:05.080 --> 38:06.080
Forces

38:06.080 --> 38:06.540
This

38:06.540 --> 38:07.180
Delivery

38:07.180 --> 38:08.140
I enjoy

38:08.140 --> 38:08.600
Your show

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You press so many numbers in such rapid succession that it doesn't try to do it through the computer, and it sends you out to a real operator.

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So that's two other tricks that I use a lot, and they are very successful still.

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So there's a little useful information on the show.

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How about that?

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How'd that skew me?

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How'd we let that happen?

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Oh, okay.

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So let's see.

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The next email here comes from Cypress.

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Cypress says, to my digital dog and his co-host, that would be Slip Mode, I just wanted to give you my opinion on your show.

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I hate emails that start like that already usually go bad right away.

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But this one doesn't.

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He says, episode 89 was amazing.

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I really loved how you guys had fun, and it wasn't all just tech.

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I personally enjoyed your fine conversation on soft drinks.

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I am a Coke guy myself.

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Oh, boo.

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Coke.

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As for a C...

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I actually am a Pepsi guy.

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Really?

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I'm not...

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Honestly, I'm not...

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I'm just teasing.

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I'm not that particular...

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I mean, I drink RC.

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I'm from the South, man.

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RC Cola, man.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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So there are...

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Actually, I don't drink enough to really tell that big of a difference.

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I guess I probably do like...

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I probably like Pepsi, RC Pepsi, better than Coke, but I'm not like I'm...

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Don't care either way.

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I can tell the difference.

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If they send me down for...

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Remember those old Pepsi challenges when we were kids?

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Yeah.

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Where they hide the Coke and Pepsi?

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Oh, I could always tell which one was which.

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I can tell the taste of them both.

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I don't really...

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Oh, yeah.

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I don't prefer one over the other one exactly, but I can tell the difference.

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I think Coke, to me, tastes a little, like, harsher.

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You can feel the bubble a little bit more than the Pepsi.

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Yeah, I think so.

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And the Pepsi's a little sweeter, I think, but...

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Yeah, this is...

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This is like the soft one.

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We need to make a spin-off show.

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I'm so mindy.

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What's your choice for hacker sodas?

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Jolt Cola.

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Hackers everywhere, right?

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That's the cliché drink.

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We all drink Jolt.

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Jolt and Mountain Dew.

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I think those are the big clichés, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Truth be told, most hackers are shit-faced drunk drinking alcohol.

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At least at the conferences, the conventions.

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Oh, let's see.

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Those, of course, who are of legal drinking age,

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we do not condone underage drinking on Binary Revolution Radio.

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Don't sue me.

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Anyway, where was I here?

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Oh, as for the CEH, I enjoyed you reading the questions.

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Is there a website where you can get those preview questions?

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Also, can you take the test online?

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Finally, how much does it cost to take the CEH exam?

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Of course, CEH is Certified Ethical Hacker, is what the CEH exam.

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Keep up the great show, and please ignore all the haters who be hatin' on you.

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All right.

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Thank you, Cypress.

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First of all, a little bit of Googling is going to find you those questions.

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I mean, come on now.

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You can find plenty of sample questions out there,

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and some downloadable exams,

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some simulation exams that you can download and install

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that have questions built into them.

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The exam itself is computerized, yes.

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So, can you take it online?

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Yeah, it is an online exam.

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However, you have to take it from a certified testing center.

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You can't just sit at home and take it.

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You actually have to go to an authorized place,

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just like any other certification,

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whether it's Oracle certification, Microsoft, Cisco, whatever.

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However, most of those, you're going to have to go to an authorized agency,

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an authorized company, and take the exam there on site.

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They have to be certified.

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So, this one is no different.

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But once you get there, ironically,

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you will then connect to the website and take the test remotely.

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It's a controlled environment, of course,

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because they know they have proxies there that are watching you

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to make sure you're not cheating.

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They have people on site.

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They have all the equipment and stuff set up and prepared and ready to go.

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So, it is a controlled environment.

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But technically, yes, you're taking the test remotely on the,

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like, for example, EC Council servers.

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So, and what else did you ask?

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Oh, the test itself is like around, I think, $150.

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And, of course, that's going to, I guess that's going to vary.

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I don't know if some schools charge more,

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but I think that's the official price, I think, is $140 or $150 from EC Council.

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And the classes, however, that's where the big money is.

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The classes, especially like the boot camp ones

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where they try to cram it all into five days, non-stop, all-day stuff,

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which is what I've been exposed to.

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The classes can run, and, of course, this does vary from school to school,

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place to place, et cetera, et cetera, a lot of other factors.

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Sometimes who's teaching the class?

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Some people have better reputations than others.

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You get instructors that have been teaching it for a while.

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You know, it might be worth it.

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They might cost a little bit more,

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but it might be worth it to take it from them.

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But they run anywhere from $4,000 to $8,000, I think I've seen as high,

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and maybe even more.

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I haven't really looked into it too much.

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So that ought to give you a little bit of information.

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And I do, I mean, I've said this on the show before,

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and slip mode, I don't know if you'll agree with me or disagree with me on this,

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but I've always said that any type of education is good, it's positive, no matter what.

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Certification's great.

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College education, taking night classes, all of it is helpful and great.

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However, put a little bit of perspective into this.

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This is called certified ethical hacking.

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Who is it certified by?

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Like, for example, if you get a Microsoft certification,

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it's certified and backed by Microsoft.

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If you get an Oracle certification, it's Oracle that certifies and backs it up.

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They make the questions, they make sure people aren't doing what they want to be done.

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In the case of the CEH, who is certifying it?

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And do you care or trust what their certification is coming from?

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To me, and I've said this before, so we won't go too long into this,

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if DDP certified a hacking test, I would have some faith in it.

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I would know that we have guys looking at it that are hackers,

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that know what they're doing, that have the experience,

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and that would carry more value to me personally.

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This is not certified by anybody that has any credibility as far as I'm concerned.

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Now, again, I'm not putting it down.

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It is still something good to have, and I encourage people to do it.

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You'll learn a lot from it.

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Just put it in perspective.

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It does look good on your resume.

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It does carry weight in the industry,

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especially if you're looking for penetration testing jobs or security jobs.

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It is definitely valuable in those realms.

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But as far as on a personal note, to me, it's kind of like being a certified,

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I can't even make a comparison, certified driving instructor from somebody who only knows how to ride a motorcycle.

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You know, it doesn't quite – I can't make a good example.

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Am I making any sense at all?

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No, I understand what you're saying.

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I mean, yeah, it's just you want to make sure that there's – you know, that there's –

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I mean, every certification, like, for instance, like the CISSP, I mean, to make it, you know,

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certified information system security professional, they do something where you have to have at least minimum four years' experience

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in that realm to even apply to see if you can take the test.

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Right.

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And I think actually every year, every two years, something like that, I think you have to, like, get in touch with them

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and let them know, like, have you been keeping up on it and stuff like that.

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Or, like, you know, the CCNA, Cisco Certified Network Associate, that, you know, you have to retake that every three years.

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So some of these people have – they're not only accredited, but they've also required you to do something deeper

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to give even, you know, the certification, like, more worth, you know, minimum four years' experience,

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you know, retake the test every three years, you know, to see that you're not outdated, you know, and stuff like that.

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Right, right, that's good.

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But you definitely want to make sure there's some importance to it, stuff like that,

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because it's definitely a reputation thing.

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And if you're a part of that reputation or whatever that, you know, certification is,

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you want it to boost your, you know, your resume and stuff like that.

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And that's really what it's all about.

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So Stake's, you know, talking about making sure that it's really in line with what things should be to boost your image and resume.

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Right.

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I just want to clarify expectations, basically.

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Just know what you're getting in for.

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Know what the value of it is to others, which is a lot.

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But just, it didn't have a lot for me, personally, because it felt kind of, who are they?

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You know what?

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I felt I was pretty certified as a hacker before I took this thing, you know?

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I didn't really feel like I had to prove anything and take a test to get that.

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So, on a personal note.

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However, yes, it's definitely great to have in the industry.

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And, you know, I've also been on the tangent before about what constitutes ethical.

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Because hacker ethics are different than the ethics that the business world teaches.

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And the business world makes this exam, so they're forcing their ethics onto you.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's a whole other tangent.

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Yeah, so that's kind of like, yeah, mixing into a little bit of kind of politics of what, you know, what that really is.

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Yeah.

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All right, well, let's burn through here.

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We're starting to get behind in the email.

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Let's jump through these and then get to our main topic tonight.

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I've got two more emails.

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The first one comes from Zero Byte.

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Zero Byte says,

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On one of your older shows, you received an email stating that one could obtain a free AS400 shell from www.texas400.com.

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Well, I checked it out, gave the guy a call, and I'm now freely plugging away at an AS400 shell.

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Between the tutorials on the texas400.com website and your downloadable speech on the introduction to AS400, there's an abundance of information for even the lame person to begin learning this seemingly complicated OS.

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Thanks for introducing me to yet another new technology venture and keep up the great work.

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Now, see, this is like, I love this email because, to get corny, I mean, I just, I love this email.

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I did a presentation on this because not many people know about it, and it's not so much an AS400 thing like I'm trying to get everybody on the AS400 or anything.

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It's just that it's another thing that I found interesting that I wish there was more information on.

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That's why I wrote the article.

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That's why I've made the presentation.

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I share the presentation on that article.

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Maybe I should do an article, but I made the presentation, played the MP3 on the show, because I wanted people to know it's out there, and I was hoping someone else would find it as interesting as I did.

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And knowing that at least one person actually followed up on it makes it completely worthwhile.

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It justified any of the time and all of the time that I spent, even if this one person followed up and actually gets into learning something new.

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Even if it's just for the short term, for the new factor of it, just to try it out.

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The fact that you're willing to do it totally makes it worthwhile, absolutely, and I hope you like it.

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And feel free to email us.

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Contact me if there's any questions or anything.

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I can try to help you.

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It's been a few years since I've been out of the 400, unfortunately, but I can try to help you as much as I can, so feel free to contact me on that.

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And our last email this week comes from Neil.

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Neil says,

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Hey, Stank, just a quick email to say thanks for all the shows.

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Like many others, I've come across the show more or less by accident, but then trawled through the archives and found lots of interesting and entertaining content.

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The reason I finally decided to write in is that I've heard the Real Player Sucks topic come up a few times, and I know of a solution.

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Well, I have a solution, too.

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Don't use Real, but yours is better, though.

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Just Google for Real Alternative, and you should be able to find a player that plays Real Audio and Video just fine.

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Seems to be an old version of Windows Media Player.

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There is also a QuickTime Alternative same deal.

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Hopefully, this will ease your suffering.

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Cheers, and keep up the good work.

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Yeah, I hate Real.

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I've always hated Real.

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I always will.

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But the reality of Real, unfortunately, is that some sites use it, and if you want to see the content, you have to have the damn player installed.

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And I hate it, so...

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I honestly will not download that player for the life of me.

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I hate it.

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If there's something on there, even if I really want it, I'm like, you know what?

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No, I'm not going to download it.

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It's horrible.

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The quality's horrible.

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It's always buffering.

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It's just terrible.

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And the spyware, they went through...

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Supposedly, they're spyware-free now, I've heard.

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But they went through a while there where their thing was loaded with spyware.

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It's ridiculous.

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But it's good to know that there's an alternative.

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An old version of media player may play it.

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So I might look into that.

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I don't know if it'll peacefully coexist with a new version of media player.

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I guess if you just put it in a different directory, just the .exe file or something.

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I actually have an old program that they...

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It's called Streambox Ripper and RealMedia.

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Yeah.

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They had attacked this company for making this program, which allowed...

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It basically converted real audio files into MP3s.

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So I used to do a lot of converting for that.

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Their newer version of Real, though, their newest codec or whatever you want to call it that they use...

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It doesn't work with this program, but older stuff, I used to use that to convert it all the time over to MP3s.

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Is that program still maintained?

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Will they possibly update it to work with a new codec or...?

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No.

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That company, actually, they used to have it on the web.

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And this is probably about three years ago.

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And it did work probably up until, like, last year.

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I don't remember which version now that it stopped working on.

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But they actually had, like, a cease and desist, you know, to stop having this program on their website,

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saying that it was, you know, violating their intellectual property and made them take the program off their website.

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So I actually found it, you know, somewhere out there in Russia, you know, and downloaded it.

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Right.

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Well, yeah, it's always going to be out there.

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Once it's released on the Internet, it's out there.

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Yeah.

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Just got to know where to look.

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All right.

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Well, let's wrap up the mailbag there.

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And, you know what, this was a good week for mail because we got a lot of tips from people.

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You know, tips about RealPlayer and tips about, well, Speakeasy, backing up what their great tech support is,

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and Yahoo Tech support.

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We got a lot of good tips this week.

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That's good stuff.

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I like emails like that.

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Let's do a quick show and tell.

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I'll try to – I actually have been working on a lot of stuff this past couple weeks.

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But let's do a quick show and tell, and then we've got maybe 20 minutes or so to talk about our main topic tonight.

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So let me do a little quick show and tell because I have had a busy month myself, if I may go first.

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Well, besides pwning noobs, a little joke there.

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I've been doing a lot of traveling this month and war driving as I go around.

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So I've been doing a lot of that, and I'll probably be putting up some scans on Old School Freak as well myself.

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And I finished a couple of articles.

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I finished my Hacking Google AdWords article, which I did a few episodes ago.

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I gave some of the stuff out on the air.

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I got a few more things and put them into this article, which I'm really proud of.

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I really think this is one of my better articles personally.

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And I submitted it to 2600 actually yesterday or the day before yesterday.

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So that might actually end up being a big story or a big article because of the potential that people can do with some of the tricks and things that I pointed out in there.

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And because they're Google.

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That's a big name.

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So I don't know how the article is going to go over, but that one may be interesting.

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And I finished another article I was working on and submitted it as well.

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I've been sending out magazine orders.

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They're still going out.

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I usually go once every week, sometimes only every two weeks, depending on what my time frame is like.

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And I go after work.

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And I go out to the – I don't know about your – Slipmo, maybe you can help me with this.

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Do you have a kiosk machine that you can mail stuff yourself at your post office?

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Yeah, we do.

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Okay.

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That's what I use.

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I usually – because I have to go after work and the post office is closed.

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So I go out there and I mail everything and send it out that way and put it all on my credit card and all that good stuff.

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But you know what?

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The only country that's not on the list is the UK.

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United Kingdom does not show up on a freaking kiosk.

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Oh, wow.

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And I'm sure you might not have – probably haven't had the opportunity to look for it.

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But I couldn't find UK, United Kingdom, England.

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I look for everything and I can't find any way to do it.

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So if I get orders from there, which I do occasionally, we do actually – we've got quite a few.

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I have to go out on my lunch break and mail those.

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So I've got a couple right now.

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If you're in England and you're listening to the show, if you're out in the United Kingdom somewhere, you're listening to the show,

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yours are going to take an extra couple days when I can get out on my lunch break and mail them for you.

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But I do have the orders and I have, I think, three, two or three that need to go out right now.

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So I have to go do that on lunch sometime this week.

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And just for anybody who's interested, the shipping is kind of expensive over there too.

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Anything to Europe for the most part is eight or nine bucks shipping for a three-pack.

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If you order all three of the magazine, it's going to cost you like eight bucks to England and I think nine for just about everywhere else in Europe.

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Somewhere – something like that.

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I check them on a case-by-case basis.

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So other than that, I've been doing a little maintenance here in my personal lab.

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I screwed up – long story short, I screwed up my local storage area network that I bragged about on the show a while back.

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I set it up for spanning, but I never set it up for – well, actually, I set it up as a dynamic disk, but I never set up spanning.

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So I don't have any redundancy in there.

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So now I have to go through the process of backing up all that data.

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The whole point was to have all my data centralized.

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Now I have to go and take it off of that and decentralize it and put it on a bunch of external hard drives on USB cases temporarily to redo the damn thing now.

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So I'm having to undo all that work and redo it again.

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So that's from me screwing up.

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And as I mentioned before, we saw Sin City.

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And I'm not going to waste time talking about that, but that movie was e-fucking-leet.

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That movie was so awesome.

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Incredibly violent, I have to warn you.

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Very violent.

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Kind of – I mean, you could kind of say it's cartoon violence, but it's really not.

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It's pretty gory, grotesque in parts.

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But stylistically, it is magnificent.

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It's a beautiful movie.

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And a lot of people know that it's very heavy on CGI as far as not like 3D type stuff like Shrek or Toy Story or that type of stuff.

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But a lot of backgrounds and scenes were done in CGI.

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They're fantastic to the point that I really honestly believe you could take a still frame from any point in this movie and it would be a work of art.

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It's just incredible how well they integrated all that stuff.

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So, that's enough for me.

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Why don't you – I know – you know what?

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Let's take a minute, Slip, if you will.

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I know you didn't plan to do this or come on to do this, but let's let everybody know who doesn't already.

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Know about In the Now.

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Okay.

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Well, yeah, In the Now.

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Shoot, we've been doing that since 2001.

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Wow.

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And it's over there on SlipNet.org.

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And, you know, it kind of started out just me and my friend at VR, which you'll see who's on the show, most of the shows.

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We just – we used to play a lot of pool back in the day.

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And then after we're done playing pool, we just kind of go out and, you know, shoot the shit in the parking lot until like 5 in the morning.

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We just talked about all sorts of different things that we were interested in.

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And, you know, so that kind of thing, I said, you know, why don't we just like record this?

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Why don't we do something with this and, you know, just put it down if anybody wants to listen to it and they enjoy it.

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They can jump in on the conversation and just kind of like spread the news and all that.

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So, you know, I went into doing that, and we've been doing it, you know, pretty strong.

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We get – I don't know.

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We had over 1,000 downloads last month.

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You know, we get quite a bit of listeners.

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And we talk a lot about, like, the social issues of technology.

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You know, the world is, you know, constantly changing around us.

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People are integrating more of technology and systems and functionality into their, you know, cars, computers, banking, you know, their entire life.

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And there's a lot of issues with that.

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There's, you know, there's positive sides and negative sides.

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And we like to cover, you know, all the things that are currently going on.

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Sometimes we delve into a little bit of science.

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Sometimes we, you know, we spend a lot of stuff talking about, you know, Linux, open source communities, stuff like that, you know, software, a lot of things that corporations are doing, people getting attacked for doing things that they probably shouldn't be getting attacked as much as they are getting attacked for.

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You know, we just talk a lot about different issues that I think that hit a lot of different people.

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And I don't think a lot of people – I don't think there's a lot of shows out there that talk about that stuff.

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I know BinRev covers some things, you know, old school frequent covering things, you know, and there's other shows out there.

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And we have affiliates on our website that you'll see one of us, BinRev, as well.

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You'll see that you can go to their shows as well and check out their information.

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But when we were first doing the show, there wasn't a lot of people out there that talked about that kind of stuff.

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So I wanted to bring a medium of, you know, information out there that I didn't see was very popular at that time.

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But it's growing, and a lot of people are spreading the news, and I think it's a good thing, and that awareness is pretty important.

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So that's what we do over there.

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Right, and I'm glad you mentioned that, you know, like the science.

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I was going to make sure I brought that up if you didn't, is you guys – and you're absolutely correct in what you said about BinRev.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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We do focus on tech.

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I try to stay away from – because you know what?

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It just becomes too all-encompassing for me.

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I like the purity of the tech, and we focus on that on the show.

01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:48.940
It's tech, and we try to have a little fun joking and laughing while we're doing it.

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You do a much better job – and that was my cell phone blinging on the air.

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Somebody sent me a message.

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You do a much better job of balancing so many different things.

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It is also tech, but it also touches on science, like you said, politics, just general free thinking, and just all kinds of different things, and it's also very professionally done.

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It is one of the most dependable, reliable shows format-wise.

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You always know what you're getting into.

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You guys sit down.

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You know what you're going to talk about.

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There's never any – I'm sure there's occasions, don't get me wrong, where you might be flying by the seat of your pants at the last minute, kind of like we are now.

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But usually you do a really good job in preparing.

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You have topics in advance.

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You know what you're going to talk about, maybe not exactly what you'll say, of course.

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But having stuff prepared ahead of time, and I personally think it is a very good show and give you nothing but good things to say about it.

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And obviously we have it on DDB Hack Radio because of that very reason.

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You're in the rotation.

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We play old episodes, past episodes, get randomly played during the day.

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And the latest episode, which comes out every two weeks, I don't know if you said that, every other week.

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And we play that every Wednesday night on DDB Hack Radio.

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So you can always check out the new issues there or, again, downloadable on SlipNet.org.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I appreciate all the comments, Stink.

01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:18.740
Yeah, we do do it every two weeks.

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My life is pretty packed, actually.

01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:24.860
And sometimes it takes me a minute to get the shows up there, but we do get them all up there.

01:07:24.860 --> 01:07:33.380
And one thing that I like to do, too, and I know Stink does it, too, for his show notes, is I like to give very detailed show notes.

01:07:33.540 --> 01:07:39.740
Everything that we cover, whatever, you can actually go and read that story if you want to delve into it.

01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:40.620
I like to get a little deeper.

01:07:40.900 --> 01:07:43.900
And obviously we put the forums up, too, for people.

01:07:44.220 --> 01:07:49.180
We've had people post their own topics because that's really what it's all about, the whole sharing of information, stuff like that.

01:07:49.180 --> 01:07:53.220
And we've had plenty of people post their own topics about things that they'd like to have talked about.

01:07:54.020 --> 01:07:55.860
And, you know, we integrate those in the show.

01:07:55.980 --> 01:08:00.680
And then show notes, we have all the everything we talked about, links to where the news came from.

01:08:01.560 --> 01:08:05.140
And then also, you know, me and VR, we've been friends forever.

01:08:05.380 --> 01:08:07.200
I mean, I think I've known him for over 10 years.

01:08:07.340 --> 01:08:08.900
And, you know, we're very much in sync.

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And we have our own, you know, things that I think I compliment him and he compliments me.

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And I think that really mixes well into the show.

01:08:17.780 --> 01:08:22.500
And then also, the – let's see, I skipped my head there.

01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:24.560
But, yeah, but we have that there for download.

01:08:24.660 --> 01:08:25.260
We do it every two weeks.

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I'd like to do it weekly, but maybe since I'm in the future, after I get out of school, we'll get out of that pretty soon.

01:08:31.240 --> 01:08:32.740
So maybe I'll have more time to do that.

01:08:33.260 --> 01:08:33.920
Totally relate to that.

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But, yeah, it's been a really great experience for me.

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And I've learned, you know, quite a bit doing it.

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And I enjoy giving out any information I can.

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Yeah, we totally relate to that.

01:08:43.220 --> 01:08:44.220
And we've talked about it on the show.

01:08:44.320 --> 01:08:46.360
Real life always takes precedence.

01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.120
And you do as much as you can around real life.

01:08:49.200 --> 01:08:52.420
So believe me, I know how difficult it is putting out this show every week.

01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.060
And quite frankly, I don't know what the future of this is.

01:08:55.100 --> 01:08:57.260
We might have to switch to a biweekly format.

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I really don't know what it's going to be until my life settles down and we make some decisions.

01:09:01.940 --> 01:09:05.040
But absolutely very, very good stuff.

01:09:05.140 --> 01:09:10.560
Now, did you have any other show and tell or any other stuff you've been working on or cool things lately?

01:09:11.060 --> 01:09:14.320
Or did you want to – is your show and tell going to be our main topic tonight?

01:09:14.420 --> 01:09:17.020
Did you want to move into that yet or –

01:09:17.020 --> 01:09:23.120
Yeah, actually, I have been – the topic that we kind of talked about when we were preparing for the show,

01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:25.400
yeah, I said I was working on that as well.

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So we can definitely move into that.

01:09:27.320 --> 01:09:28.440
Well, let's move on.

01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:31.980
And I've been playing around with a few things and I'd like to share that with the listeners.

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Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.600
And the thing we're talking about is – and this is show and tell for you because you've actually been doing this.

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Me, I've only read about it so far.

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I have not actually gotten down to the nitty-gritty and thrown this on my laptop and started playing with it yet.

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But where I – actually, I found out about it via Voodoo How.

01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:55.440
Voodoo How actually sent me a link and found out about it on Security Focus is where I've been reading mostly about it.

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And there's a couple different places and some mixed information and actually Slip's going to give us some of that as well.

01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:09.860
But basically, there is a new way – I shouldn't even say a new way to crack WEP because you don't need to crack WEP anymore.

01:10:09.860 --> 01:10:21.240
You know, WEP encryption, which is tools like Air Snort and things like that that have been developed that if you listen and basically sniff enough packets and save them,

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you can brute force attack these things by breaking them apart and looking for certain what they call interesting packets or special packets that have a weak – there's a flaw in the encryption algorithm.

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And if you find some weak packets, they can be more easily cracked than others.

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So you can gather a bunch of those together and when you – the more weak packets you get, the faster your brute force works

01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:50.740
and you can actually crack WEP and therefore access an encrypted wireless network.

01:10:51.580 --> 01:10:53.060
You don't really have to do that anymore.

01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:57.260
Yeah, and even if you don't have time to sit there and try to crack away that at the time, like if you use Kismet or something like that and you do a dump,

01:10:57.940 --> 01:11:04.920
you could just dump all the data all you want and then parse the – you know, parse all that data through your cracker at any time you want,

01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:11.620
you know, whenever you want to do that and then actually once it's cracked then you can apply the WEP key to it and open it back up.

01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:20.940
Right, and some of the ways to fight back against that are some places will change the WEP key every 10 days or two weeks or a month or something like that

01:11:20.940 --> 01:11:26.680
because it can take that long, if not longer, if you don't have enough packets to get that thing cracked.

01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:28.380
So there's some safeguards to that.

01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.760
Well, you don't have to crack WEP anymore.

01:11:32.140 --> 01:11:41.940
There's a new technique out there that's been developed that – I guess before we go into it, maybe we should have a couple of definitions here.

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First of all, there's a couple of terms we're going to use, and let's define them up front.

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Do you think that's a good way to approach this?

01:11:50.660 --> 01:11:51.320
Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.560
Yeah, lay the base and then move into it.

01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.400
Like a man in the middle is a term you're going to hear.

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A man in the middle attack, or just man in the middle, just to define that.

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It's actually a self-defining term in a way.

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A man in the middle is if you are at point A trying to access point B.

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So you're the user at home trying to access, I don't know, a website or whatever.

01:12:14.620 --> 01:12:22.060
The man in the middle attack, or what a man in the middle is, is when you come in between A and B and stick yourself somewhere in the middle.

01:12:22.060 --> 01:12:41.560
Now, as far as the attacks go, generally what they refer to as a man in the middle attack is that you set yourself in the middle somehow and collect packets coming from A, intercept them, and either look at them or twist them, change them for example, and then send them on to B after all.

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So nobody knows that you're there, you're in the middle, you're handing stuff off, but you're changing things as you go along.

01:12:48.160 --> 01:12:55.360
Or you're just plain sniffing things, like, I don't know, you could, you know, a man in the middle of attacks can be used to fish credit card numbers and things like that.

01:12:55.900 --> 01:12:56.160
That's what being a man in the middle...

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There's also modifying from B back to A as well.

01:12:59.580 --> 01:13:01.320
Exactly, and vice versa, absolutely.

01:13:01.540 --> 01:13:12.240
So you can change, I don't know, to make up an example, you send an email to somebody saying, I love you, they can easily intercept it coming in, change it to say, I hate you, and send it back to that person.

01:13:12.580 --> 01:13:19.060
That person replies back, says, yeah, well, screw you too, they can change that, send it back that says, I love you too.

01:13:19.420 --> 01:13:23.500
Nobody knows that the whole thing was intercepted because they didn't, you know what I mean?

01:13:23.500 --> 01:13:39.040
So that's what a man in the middle is, and it's important to understand that concept because that's related to this new technique because the way it works is something else that's related to man in the middle is packet injection.

01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:47.900
And that is kind of what I described as part of the actual process, to inject packets into that stream that's already going on between A and B.

01:13:47.900 --> 01:14:10.420
For example, I were to inject credit card information or a phone number or something on at the end of it, like let's say somebody sends an order, whether it be through a web form or an email, I'd like to order 500 shirts printed with Binary Revolution logo, here's my credit card number, whatever, they send that across.

01:14:10.420 --> 01:14:25.740
Well, packet injection could send, could take that, and then send a subsequent packet of either more information, modified the email, or just a new email, so many different possibilities that says, oh, I changed my mind, add 500 more onto that order.

01:14:26.660 --> 01:14:32.420
And, of course, I'm just making up a totally fictitious example here, but injecting packets.

01:14:32.420 --> 01:14:52.940
There's not even a malicious way to do it, it's where you'd, you know, somebody says, I want to go to, I don't know, bankofamerica.com, and the man in the middle says, okay, we'll give you bankofamerica.com, but what it actually gives you is a fake bankofamerica.com, and they're doing a phishing attack, and they're trying to get you to trust them and, you know, give your information.

01:14:53.160 --> 01:14:57.420
Right, yeah, phishing is very much related to man in the middle, that's a very good example.

01:14:57.420 --> 01:15:13.000
So, those things being said, there's really no need exactly to decode or crack WEP anymore because of this new technique, and I think you can probably put this into words better than I can, like I said, because you've done it.

01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:19.880
I can regurgitate some terms and how it works, but why don't you kind of start and go with it, and let's see where this goes.

01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:32.040
Okay, well, I've been playing around with a program that actually was used back on DEFCON 12 to play, you know, some jokes on the people that were on the wireless network.

01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:42.580
Basically, it's a program called Airpwn, it's, you know, A-I-R-P-W-N, and what it does is it works on the TCP layer only.

01:15:42.580 --> 01:15:49.260
It only understands TCP packets, so nothing UDP or anything like that, so it does have some limitations.

01:15:49.540 --> 01:15:52.900
It doesn't work on WEP networks, so it has to be an unwept network.

01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:59.380
You know, maybe the guy actually has some code for a WEP network, but it's not, you know, I don't know of any code released for it.

01:15:59.420 --> 01:16:03.360
So, the network has to be unwept, and there's a lot of unwept networks out there.

01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:14.720
But basically, this program was made kind of like as a prank, but also to, you know, show some more insecurities in wireless and whatnot.

01:16:14.980 --> 01:16:22.700
So, what it does is, and I'll briefly describe it, then I'll kind of get into how it works.

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What it does basically is, when you're out there on a wireless network, you send information over to what's called as the access point,

01:16:31.660 --> 01:16:35.300
and that's what's serving you everything on the wireless network.

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And, you know, you send things out, I want to go to a webpage, I want to do this, I want to do that.

01:16:40.480 --> 01:16:46.480
And the access point receives that information, goes out to the Internet, grabs your webpage, sends it back to you.

01:16:46.480 --> 01:16:57.000
Well, what if there was a man in the middle where you have, let's say, a laptop, and you're at this place, let's say, a coffee house or something like that, or DEF CON or wherever,

01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:04.100
and they send out a packet, your laptop grabs it, because it's freely, it's open in the air.

01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:11.300
Your laptop grabs it, and then it sends a packet back before the access point does.

01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:16.940
And your client is going to interpret that packet as if it was the correct packet.

01:17:17.020 --> 01:17:20.240
And what this program does is it emulates the access point.

01:17:20.340 --> 01:17:22.180
It looks like it came from the access point.

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It's the correct, you know, sequence number.

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Everything is correct, and your machine is accepted.

01:17:30.040 --> 01:17:35.440
Now, the access point is still going to send back its packet that you requested.

01:17:35.440 --> 01:17:45.240
But what's going to happen is that since your laptop sent it back before the access point, that your client sees that extra packet that came from the access point and says,

01:17:45.660 --> 01:17:49.800
well, we already received this packet, you're sending all data, and it drops it.

01:17:50.440 --> 01:17:59.980
So basically, you're doing a man in the middle, and you have the ability to send them anything you want in response to, you know, certain things.

01:17:59.980 --> 01:18:08.780
Now, the way the program works is there is a few rules in there, and what it does, it says basically, and you can write your own rules.

01:18:08.900 --> 01:18:10.440
It's totally customizable.

01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:12.100
It comes with a few of them on its own.

01:18:13.080 --> 01:18:19.880
But it says basically, it looks for, it has, it looks for, well, here's the hardware.

01:18:20.440 --> 01:18:21.440
Here's the hardware spec.

01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.700
You have, the way I have it, I have a laptop.

01:18:24.300 --> 01:18:27.280
I have one card that listens, and I have one card that serves.

01:18:28.280 --> 01:18:35.700
The card that serves, it's a Prism 2.5 chipset, and I had to flash it and make sure that it had the most, the newest firmware.

01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:37.140
My older firmware had a problem.

01:18:39.160 --> 01:18:45.360
And so it's pretty much that, and you have to make sure that the, you know, and I have an Orinoco card.

01:18:45.460 --> 01:18:46.240
That's the one that's listening.

01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.240
You have to make sure it supports monitor mode.

01:18:48.240 --> 01:18:56.660
You have to have the host AP drivers for the, for the, for the, for the Prism card.

01:18:56.860 --> 01:19:01.480
The host AP drivers basically allows your Linux computer to act as an access point.

01:19:01.900 --> 01:19:05.280
You have to make sure you patch your Orinoco driver, make sure it can be put into monitor mode.

01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:08.160
So there's a lot of prep that's involved, actually.

01:19:08.160 --> 01:19:13.140
And actually, the AirPone program itself, when you compile it, it's actually going to give you an error.

01:19:13.300 --> 01:19:15.560
It says that your libpcap is broken.

01:19:15.780 --> 01:19:21.220
You have to actually edit the make file and add the libpcap library in there and point to where it is.

01:19:21.360 --> 01:19:28.640
So there's, it actually took a minute for me to put this all together, and it was kind of tough, but we got it, I got it all put together.

01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:42.840
But, so when it receives the information, it says, okay, if this has a, you know, get JPEG or something like that, where your request from the client says, I want to, I want to view this website.

01:19:43.240 --> 01:19:46.980
And in that website, there's some JPEGs, and it wants to grab that.

01:19:47.320 --> 01:19:50.920
It says, okay, if you see that, then do this.

01:19:50.920 --> 01:20:03.340
And then what it does is, for instance, in, like, the default rules, it'll send its own JPEG across, like, owned, or they're at, at DEF CON 12, they're using the GOATC JPEG, which is, that's pretty bad.

01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:04.140
Yeah, that was not cool.

01:20:04.140 --> 01:20:10.640
And, you know, so actually, so everything on the page that was a JPEG would be replaced with the JPEG that you specified.

01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:14.060
And you can write all sorts of rules for all sorts of different things.

01:20:14.160 --> 01:20:17.660
I mean, you can get pretty deep into what you can spoof on the page.

01:20:17.660 --> 01:20:26.080
You know, if the page, if you go to, like, I don't know, CNN.com or whatever, it says, you know, if there's this text on the webpage, replace it with this.

01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:27.800
And you can do quite a bit.

01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:29.060
But there are some limitations.

01:20:29.260 --> 01:20:36.800
If you do send a JPEG or anything like that, the whole JPEG has to fit within one packet.

01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:38.320
It doesn't send a series of packets.

01:20:38.460 --> 01:20:40.020
Everything fits into one packet.

01:20:40.500 --> 01:20:42.520
So there are some limitations to that.

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.480
You know, JPEG size can only be a certain size or BMP or anything.

01:20:47.660 --> 01:20:49.400
Everything has to fit into one packet.

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.780
Now, if you're scripting stuff, that's usually going to fit into a packet.

01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:56.040
But your images, you've got to make sure you keep the size down.

01:20:57.120 --> 01:20:59.600
And there's a lot of technical details.

01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:10.740
If you send an image over, you actually have to put the HTML text in the image at the very beginning of it to be able to post for it to parse it.

01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:15.560
It'll say, you know, content type, image, JPEG, stuff like that.

01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:15.960
Right.

01:21:16.340 --> 01:21:18.860
Because the browser is going to read that and post the image.

01:21:18.860 --> 01:21:20.020
So there's a lot of detail.

01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:23.100
There's a lot of hacking to get this whole thing to work.

01:21:23.100 --> 01:21:30.640
But the magnitude of what you could use it for could be, you know, quite a bit of stuff.

01:21:30.780 --> 01:21:33.960
I mean, you can use it from the malicious end to, like, the non-malicious end.

01:21:34.020 --> 01:21:42.960
Maybe the non-malicious end is you have your own web cafe and you want to shoot an advertisement on their page every few views or something like that.

01:21:43.040 --> 01:21:43.880
That's non-malicious?

01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:46.680
You know, and that's your web cafe and maybe you provide free internet.

01:21:47.180 --> 01:21:54.680
And, you know, so you actually have a business of getting some people that, you know, give you money to do advertisements.

01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:58.140
And you can put advertisements on the page and stuff like that.

01:21:58.300 --> 01:22:02.780
Or you can use it maliciously and do a phishing attack, like I was saying before, where people are going to one site.

01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:04.860
Redirect them to a whole other site.

01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:09.580
And that site's specifically designed to look like the original site.

01:22:09.980 --> 01:22:11.820
And, you know, so you can do quite a bit of malicious things.

01:22:11.820 --> 01:22:13.820
You can do a lot of fun prank things to it.

01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.640
There's a lot of room for play.

01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:20.900
But, once again, you can't use it if it's a web network.

01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.980
And it only works on the TCP level.

01:22:24.320 --> 01:22:24.560
Right.

01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:33.180
And, actually, that's where I was going to take this a step further is that now using that same technique.

01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:43.960
See, that is the, I guess, the first volley, if you will, or the first application of pack and injection man in the middle in that method.

01:22:44.040 --> 01:22:46.160
But it's gone a little bit further since then.

01:22:46.740 --> 01:22:48.920
And I was going to go into that security focus.

01:22:49.040 --> 01:22:51.460
Unfortunately, we're about out of time, I'm afraid.

01:22:51.860 --> 01:22:54.180
So I'm going to have to go into this on another show.

01:22:54.180 --> 01:23:01.420
So, however, the long and short of it is that you do not need to worry about WEP anymore.

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:13.380
There's a method whereby you can sniff enough packets and find enough information about all the different types of packets and protocols and stuff like that

01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:17.600
that will allow you to inject encrypted packets.

01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:20.020
It doesn't matter if you can decode them or not.

01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:27.180
If you can find and inject the information that you want into them, you don't have to bother brute forcing and decoding it anymore.

01:23:28.040 --> 01:23:30.920
And, unfortunately, I am going to have to leave that for another time.

01:23:31.020 --> 01:23:32.920
I hate to leave people hanging on that note.

01:23:34.040 --> 01:23:37.160
But that's the direction I was going to go.

01:23:37.260 --> 01:23:41.920
But, like I said, we're going to have to close up here because it is about, actually, we're right on time.

01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:48.060
So, unless you had something else you wanted to add, I guess we should probably move into the closing segments.

01:23:49.220 --> 01:23:49.840
I think that's it.

01:23:49.900 --> 01:23:50.920
You can grab Bear Pwn on SourceForge.

01:23:51.540 --> 01:23:52.760
You can also just Google it up.

01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:56.600
You'll get the page that talks about all the fun that they had at DEF CON and all that stuff.

01:23:56.860 --> 01:23:58.060
Yeah, the Goatsy guy.

01:23:58.340 --> 01:24:01.960
Yeah, and if you have any questions, of course, you can always email me over at slipnet.org.

01:24:02.020 --> 01:24:06.500
Just check out my email address over there and I'll help anybody out.

01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:08.580
Or, of course, you can email us.

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Our email address here is radio at binrev.com.

01:24:12.480 --> 01:24:17.440
And, of course, I'll forward anything, but I'm sure you can find Slip Moe's email address pretty easily as well.

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Because this weekend will be Notacon, April 8th through 10th.

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Up there at the Mistake on the Lake, as they like to refer to it.

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I'm sure they don't like to refer to it that way, but some people refer to it.

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So, notacon.org.

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Check out their speaker list and check out the conference if you can make it.

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And shouts for the week.

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Shouts, I'll kick some out, to Voodoo Hal.

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And I'll pause and give you time to think there a little bit.

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I'll give shouts to Voodoo Hal, to Dr. Chaos up there in Atlanta, and to our moderating group.

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Droops, Strom, Carlson, Doug, Logosex, Icon, all those guys doing a great job moderating the forums.

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And Slip Mode, what do you got?

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Shout outs.

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I got shouts out to Decoder.

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Hope everything's working out for him.

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And also the whole Hacker Mind channel over on Espernet.

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Cool.

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Cool.

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And our closing music this week is, I went back and picked a track from our good friend, Zorro.

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This is a track called Not Normal.

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And Slip Mode, thank you, my friend, for doing the show with us.

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We've got to do more.

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I can't believe it took us 90 episodes before we were able to hook up and do this.

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So, we've definitely got to do some more soon.

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Absolutely.

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I appreciate you having me.

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It's a great show.

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Yeah, I appreciate it.

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And again, check out In the Now on DDP Hack Radio every Wednesday night or over at SlipNet.org.

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And that's me pimping the show, not you.

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Don't worry.

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And I think that's going to do it.

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Thank you again for being on the show, especially at the last minute like this.

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And we're going to cut, edit, mix, encode, and upload this show right now.

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We will see you guys next week.

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Same Hack time.

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Same Hack channel.

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Revolutionary people are not normal people.

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That I can assure you.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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But the price of freedom.

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I lost my wind, I'm wrong.

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No more patience with the system.

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I dedicated my life to overcome.

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These capitalists make me piss so.

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I vote with my piss though.

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This world's a ghetto.

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They F.A. Rio, Baghdad, Richmond, or Bristow.

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You ain't done shit, but make me mo-po.

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Try to break me, make me ho-mo.

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Deep in the jungle, the people rumble.

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I hear revolution, the system crumbles.

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Fo-show.

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You can count me in, cause I know that we can win.

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When you're ready, just say go.

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Please go.

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On the count of foe.

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We housed the homeless and we freed the hoes.

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Now the foe, run with us.

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Peep it, you can come with us.

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Just know, you better be in it for the long haul.

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Cause we've been at the long crawl.

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Get out, fuck it.

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We're just crabs in the bucket.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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Welcome to revolution, where the radicals hang, where the militants bang, hear the rattle,

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feel the fang.

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I'm taking socialism to the streets and start a real game.

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We're talking about Marx and Che in the cafe.

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I'm going to make these lords money pay.

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Time so shallow.

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No excuse to be a youth so callow.

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Living in the belly of the beast.

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Watching the window as the rich feast.

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It seems you're caught in the middle.

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Right between sour and sweet.

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Don't play second fiddle.

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We fight for equal peace.

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Not utopian peace.

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We answered the riddle.

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And we didn't need preacher or priest.

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Big change coming while you diddle.

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Economic future lies in the east.

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We become bigger while you're little.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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There's a revolution in animal that don't want.

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The revolution in any people are not normal people.

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There's no form of that.

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Now they cannot chew it.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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Protect my dumb with a thimble.

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My people eat like pigeons, do crumbs.

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When you're daydreaming, my pussy and what will fill you?

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I'm trying to glean a way to crush the system and kill you.

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Real gangsters don't kill each other.

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RBGs kill big brother.

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I ride for the masses.

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Fuck these upper classes.

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Do your dirt in the suburbs.

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The ritz thought they escaped us.

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Special delivery, you heard.

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The fences and jags, I swerved.

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My rage is for the man above the prison warden, whose boss is the boss of my guard.

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I'm crazed.

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I can't stand it.

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I sharpened my toothbrush and smeared it with shit.

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On the yard, all the uniforms get hit.

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You started a firestorm by making a set.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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This is a rule for men and a little bit of a thimble.

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The revolutionary people are not normal people.

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That I can assure you.

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My life's a collage of nicks and scratches, making revolution in batches.

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What is war but the growth of capitalism?

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Death has no glory.

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It's just a greedy, expansive system.

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SUV and thirst for the void.

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With our cash and bombs, we control the soil.

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While the third world is hungry and cold.

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Hey, young world, they laid the toil.

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Where the cobra coiled, the pothole will boil.

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We could be engines but caboose.

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You attack me with your fang and your tooth.

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Hang and bang my comrades from your gun and noose.

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When you try to steal gold from the goose, the chickens are coming home to roost.

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Trying to steal freedom.

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Come on, man.

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What you got to lose?

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Give me a boost through this window.

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Past the sleeping dragon and his horde.

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So long I've been po.

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That's what I got to say when they ask me what I did it for.

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What I did it for.