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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs

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of you in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the

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net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,

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on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm

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a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through

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my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught

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the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's

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all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle

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in your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave your fight on

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your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and

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crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial code, source code, ISO,

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RANS, SIP, SIS, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, this is dedicated to the hackers

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are you ready to OMG rock, welcome to binary revolution radio episode 93, coming to you

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on April 26, 2005, I am stank dog, and I am not very back after a long sabbatical, and we

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are going to rock you tonight, but, rock soar you, we are going to rock soar your sock soars

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and your box soars, oh, watch the boxer talk, oh yeah, well I'm, hey, I'm only going sack

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free from now on buddy, oh yeah, alright, so let's jump into the housekeeping this morning,

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I am not gonna make it, how many times have we had to stop and restart this show because

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you keep making me laugh, okay, I think this is, I think this is retry 93 of episode 93,

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we've been on the phone for about six hours now, oh my goodness, we got so many outtakes

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I don't even record them anymore, alright, anyway, yes, let's take care of some housekeeping,

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first thing to, first thing to announce this week, stop it, is that, for those of you who

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don't know, we have made some changes to our official IRC server, we switched from Esprinet

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over to Dalnet, so, yes, irc.dal.net sometimes acts kind of noobish, will not exactly connect

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you always, so pick a specific server, and I put a specific server on the link to the

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website that will connect you through the Florida server, which is the most reliable one

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that I found, maybe because it's in Florida, I don't know, but anyway, so far it's been,

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you know, people are resistant to change, I know people are like, why are we leaving Esprinet?

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Well, because Esprinet sucks, Esprinet doesn't let us have bots and a lot of other things we

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like to run, we like to have some F-serve for people to get the shows off of it, some other

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things we're working on right now, some statistics that we're going to watch on it, so it's going

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to be kind of fun, some other things we're going to do, and Dalnet is, the more important

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thing is that Dalnet's a larger audience, there's a lot more people on there, a lot of other

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channels, and people have a tendency to idle in multiple channels at one time, so you can

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kind of cross over, hopefully we'll get some walk-in traffic from other channels and they

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will find out about BinRev and start listening to the show, visiting the site, etc, etc, it's

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all about spreading the word and sharing and getting more people involved, so, you know,

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being on Esprinet, while it may work fine for now and everything, it just really kind

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of feels, I don't know, snobby or exclusive, like we're somehow trying to exclude ourselves

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that you have to be on Esprinet or you're not cool or something, I don't want to give

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that vibe or that feeling, so, going over to Dalnet, and that is the official IRC server

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and channel is PoundBinRev, and that's where all the DDP members are hanging out regularly,

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we're all making a conscious effort to idle there, if we're not there chatting a lot,

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but you know what, I mean, at any given time, there's usually at least four or five or six

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of us there, at least idling, so, I mean, with our different schedules, you're bound to find

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one or all of us online at any given time, so, it's been pretty fun the first week or so

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here, so, if you want to drop in and ask us questions or comment on the show or something

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like that, feel free to do it, and we have updated the website that all you've got to

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do is click on it, it'll fire up your IRC client of choice and connect you where you need to

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go, so, that is the first thing, and a quick shout at the beginning to, I hope this is Gelata

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or Gelata, I would say Gelata, Gelata, who made the graphics change for us, so, the front

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site, he updated the font a little bit, changed the server to Dalnet for us, so, thanks and

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shouts to him for that, and, um, not theory, do you have any, uh, housekeeping for Bell's

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mind, you've made a lot of, we can't go housekeeping from, like, the last time you were on the show

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because it's been so long and you've made so many changes, but is there anything, like,

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recently that jumps off your head, you want to think of anything, there's a couple of

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things that are, like, right in the pipe, they're so close to being released, but they're

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not quite there yet, so, I would hold off on that, um, I've added, you know, the latest

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spin rev shows for, for a stint there on the PBX, I had forgotten to, uh, to do the

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shows for, like, you know, like, two months or something like that, somebody brought it

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to my attention and I, I updated them all, so that's all set up now, the Bell's mind

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bot is back online, um, I don't know if I talked about that last time, the, uh, the aim

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bot had gone offline a couple of times, it still does some weird stuff, uh, you know, I

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just don't have the time to really maintain it too much, but it should be back online as

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we speak right now, so, I think, uh, I think that's the most important stuff, I don't think

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I've added anything, uh, too insanely cool, oh, there's a, there's an indicator that will

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now show if people are hanging out on the, uh, Bell's mind 666 conference, that's, that's

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like the default conference where people, you know, go in and hang out and maybe branch off

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to other conferences from there, but that's the public one that everybody knows about,

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so if you go to the, the main page, bellsmind.net, and you see that the logo is green, or, like,

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you know, the Bell's mind logo is filled in in green, that means the people are on the

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conference, also, if you go to the page where it shows you the people, the numbers people

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have recently submitted, it also will say there is, there are people on the 666 conference,

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or there are not people on the 666 conference, and it updates whenever you reload the page,

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so, if you don't want to dial in, you're cheap, you got a calling card or something like

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that, you don't want to waste your minutes, uh, calling in if nobody's there, that's what

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you can check.

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I think that, that's an awesome feature, I think that's very cool.

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Yeah, it's okay.

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I like it, I think it's cool.

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Not as cool, however, as our email theme music.

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All right, so, stop.

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Okay, terrific.

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You're going to make me laugh right through the theme music.

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All right, our first, we got a lot of email again this week, so we're going to try to

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get through this as quickly as humanly possible, let's see how, all right, so let me keep an

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eye on the clock here, our first email this week comes from Booter, Booter says, I have

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two questions, when, among some other things, I, I, I have to trim some of these emails down

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a little bit to the, to the parts that I think are worth reading on the air, that I think

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might interest people, so, uh, he says, I have two questions, when is the social engineering

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show coming up, and when can you get Alonka on another show?

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I've been looking at some fairly easy codes now, and I can already begin to crack the messages

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before I get done reading the original encrypted message.

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Props to Simon Sings, the code book, for writing a badass book.

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Booter, uh, thank you for the email again, and, um, I will try to get Alonka on the show

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again, I actually haven't spoken to her in a while, so I need to give her a call anyway,

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and, uh, see if I can get her on again soon, um, that was a very popular show, and a lot

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of people liked her being on the show, so we'll, we'll try to do a follow-up with that.

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Uh, as far as the engineering, social engineering show, that one's a little bit tougher, because

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it's just such an all-encompassing topic, social engineering is not something that can

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be taught in one sitting, I can't, you know, you can sit down and learn a certain programming

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topic, you can sit down and learn a certain router configuration, or, or just about any

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kind of technical topic, but social engineering is just one of those things that takes a lot

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of practice, and a lot of general common sense techniques that you just can't cover everything

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in one show, so I'm trying to think, yeah, I'm trying to think, and social engineering

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is also a lot of making mistakes, you have to be willing to put yourself on the line,

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and try to social engineer somebody, and make a mistake, so that you can learn from it later

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on, because you're not going to make every single call perfectly, you're just going to

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have to learn how to deal with it, so, there's a lot of that.

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Absolutely, and people who've listened to the previous, uh, telephonic craptaculars have

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heard a few of the failures, and a few of the successes, so, um, but yeah, and I'm

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trying to come up with a way to approach that topic, and cover it as, as, as much as possible,

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and I don't know that it'll be a one show thing, maybe multiple show, and I have a very

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specific idea in line, actually, I am going to try to get that done within the next, eh,

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ten episodes or so, so keep an eye out for that.

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Alright, next email comes from Havoc.

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Havoc, Havoc, of course, who is a long-time big fan of default radio, but anyway, Havoc

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says, among a lot of other things, but, uh, he asks, are there any rights to use this

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logo or symbol, BR, and BR, of course, the Binary Revolution logo that you see on the

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front of the magazines, and the website, et cetera, et cetera.

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Well, that's the break tag in HTML, so we can't really, you know, really claim too much

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of a copyright or anything like that, intellectual property, however, we could, you know, I guess

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push for trademark, trade symbol for the way that we use it, but no, absolutely not, I

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mean, it's silly, that's, that logo, just like everything else on our site, the radio

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show, the articles and stuff that I write, anything that we put out there, I put out there

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anyway, falls under that same Creative Commons license, and you can find it on the website,

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on any of the pages, on the bottom right-hand side, you can click on it, Creative Commons,

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attribution, non-commercial, no derivative works, license, but basically it says, you're

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free to use it, just don't make any money, you can use it, you can put it on whatever

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you want, just don't sell it, don't make any money, and don't claim that it's yours, give

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us credit that it's our logo, because we want you to, you know, link to us, use it for graphics,

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use it for wallpaper, use it for whatever, link back to us, if you're going to make up

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like a, a new website called, body repair or something, and use the BR logo, that would

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kind of suck, you know, hope we wouldn't use it for that, but yeah, if you want to use it

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for any kind of links, wallpaper, reference back to us, you know, whatever, yeah, we're

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pretty much open with it, just don't make money, and don't claim that it's you, that's

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all we really ask out of it.

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So, yeah, and that includes, you can make stuff with it, you know, it's like, just try

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to keep us in the loop, and if there is a question, email, email us and ask us, for the

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most part, we're not worried about it, we don't make money off of it, we just don't

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want anybody else to, I think that's not too much to ask.

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So, yes, that is the answer to that.

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Um, why don't you, uh, read the next email for us, not theory, if you will, let me give

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my, my voice a break after that rock and roll intro.

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Oh, yeah, man, our metal voices are just taking it out of us.

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Um, yeah, I'll give it a shot, I'm not really sure, I didn't remember how to read, but I'll

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give it a whirl here.

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All right.

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So, this email is from Alex X, is that the, Alex, Alex X, he says, hi, I've been listening

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to your show and really enjoying it.

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In your 91st episode, you mentioned Windows 2003 server and some shit about it.

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I got a copy from this, uh, certification company, uh, they have some setup where their

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copy doesn't really check licensing, they have one copy and can install it on as many

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machines as they want.

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They then feed back to Microsoft about how many computers are using it and pay up.

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Uh, Windows 2000 server, volume license.

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So, we got this copy, five minutes on Google, gave me a fully working license on my first

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go, no checking, no phoning home, Windows 2003 is shit on drivers, most shit works on it,

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but there are no actual drivers that exist for it, uh, I guess he means outside of the

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default install.

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Um, I managed to get my hardware working on it, but I was lucky with old and generic hardware.

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Uh, have fun, 2003 is a cool piece of software, not as powerful as Unix, but the GUI stuff

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really gives it an edge.

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Anyway, nice show.

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So, all right, well, thank you, Alex X, um, and for those of you who didn't listen, I

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think, uh, one or two shows ago, well, actually, I think it was more than that, I mentioned

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that I, uh, installed Windows 2003 server on one of my boxen, and basically the only reason

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is because I'm studying the MCDBA, uh, track, the Microsoft Certified Database Administrator,

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and part of that track is that you have to learn either Windows 2000 or 2003 server.

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So, I'm doing it because it's part of my certification path, and because I don't mind learning, I like

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learning new stuff, no matter what it is, um, so I throw it on the box, and I actually

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want to, not only do I want to do it to learn it, I'd actually like to set it up and use

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it as a domain controller, and yada, yada, yada, authenticate against it.

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Well, see, the thing is, I don't know how long I'm going to be at this particular job.

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Oh, man, that's your fucking story of your life, dude.

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Yeah, I know, that's the, that's the, I figured I wanted my own license, so I went and got

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a legal copy of it.

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Um, the thing is, with those site licenses, the company that you got that from, even if

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you did go out and get a key, I suspect, and I've heard a lot of things, especially about

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the server 2003, even more so than 2000, it does report back to Microsoft.

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I don't know how closely they monitor it or watch it, but for our site license, for example,

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even if I did take it home, when I activate it, they have that activation process they

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started a while back, it reports back, and it has an activation code tied to it, and

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they know whose license it is.

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Now, I don't know what crack you used, if it maybe does bypass that somehow, but somebody

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probably is going to end up paying for that copy of it.

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And if it's that agent certification company or whatever that you're talking about, they're

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probably going to end up paying for it somehow, even if you used a key, a different key.

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When it activates, I think it's got enough information in there to uniquely identify it

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these days.

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I, I could be wrong.

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I, do you know anything about that in our theory?

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Is that...

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I really, honestly, I'm so out of the window scene, I have no clue about anything anymore.

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Yeah, I, I really, really think that they monitor that really closely these days, really

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closely.

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So, now the second part to that is the company in question that does have that, especially

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if it's a larger company, they may not notice one extra box or five extra boxes or whatever

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on it.

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So, anyway, be careful, but frankly, I got a licensed copy, and you know, the bottom line

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about software is, I think you'll agree with me on this.

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Whether it's an operating system, or a game, or anything, you got, there's basically three

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steps you can take with software.

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You can either, A, pay what they're asking, and shut the fuck up about it.

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It's either worth it or it's not.

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You'll pay for it or you won't.

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Or, B, you find a cheaper alternative.

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There are alternative software out there.

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There's open source software, there's free, there's just cheaper versions.

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You know, there's not only one Microsoft Office.

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There's Open Office, there's Star Office, there's WordPerfect Suite, there's Ami, is AmiPro

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still around, I don't know, there's tons of them.

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There's always options.

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So, get a cheaper, different, or free one.

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Or, you know, as we've said many times, write your own.

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Roll your own software.

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Absolutely.

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Go out to SourceForge and modify something that already exists if you have to.

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But, I mean, those are really your three options.

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I guess you have to acknowledge the fourth option of getting a pirated copy, but I can't

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come out and condone and endorse that.

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I don't.

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I don't condone piracy.

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I really don't.

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I've got to tell you, there's not really all that much proprietary pay software that

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I think is so good that I would need to use anyway.

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So, I mean, I've found free alternatives to pretty much everything I need.

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Now, my needs as a programmer probably don't match up everybody else, of course, but I

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don't know.

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The Microsoft products that I've seen, they're just not worth paying for at all.

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Yeah, and that's a good point.

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And if the software is just poorly written, like some Microsoft is, let's admit, some

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of it I like, but some of it's not, or ridiculously priced, you know, then I just choose not to

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support it.

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Right.

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If it's just so ridiculously, or it's not very well done, don't buy it.

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Period.

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Right.

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Just don't support it.

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That's your option.

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And exactly.

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When I say that this Microsoft software is not worth buying, I don't mean it's worth pirating.

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It's not worth using.

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Yes.

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Because it's terrible.

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It's just not worth having.

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You're right.

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Yeah.

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That's what I mean when I say it's not worth buying.

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Yeah.

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Because you do have to buy it.

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And luckily, more people are taking that stance and looking at it from that point of view,

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and that's what's pushing the open source movement.

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That's why it's got a big resurgence, if you will, of, frankly, it is, if you want to think

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of the old term freeware from back in the day, shareware and freeware, open source software

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is kind of a freeware thing, you know, to a certain extent, as long as you're not using

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it for, you know, you have to look at each individual license.

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But for the most part, it's open source because they want you to use it, so you can take it

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and do whatever you want with it, so more people do seem to be looking at it from that

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point of view and writing their own stuff or finding alternatives, so that's what's

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making good software come back.

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That's why there's a revival of lots of software and lots of people working on software right

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now, so I think that's really cool.

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All right, let me do this next email here from Unity.

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Unity says, in episode 83, Lucky and Doug were arguing about caller ID.

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This is one of the episodes that Lucky and Doug hosted.

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Yeah, yeah, I heard this one.

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Okay, I can't remember if it was Lucky or Doug, but one of them mentioned, quote, fixing,

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end quote, caller ID by taking it out of band.

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Sounds a lot like making a consumer version of Annie.

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I doubt people would go for that, but then again, that's what marketing is for.

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I don't understand why the argument for caller ID.

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CID is good, that's just my two cents.

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Anyway, you guys have a good show.

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I recommend people listen to your show whenever I can.

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But that's mostly just because it's really one of the only shows where I can hear people

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saying things like Leet and Fajir on the radio.

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Oh, and the fact that I can hear old episodes on Bell's mind, how appropriate is that comment

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when you're on the show, is awesome.

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Thank you, Eulette, for that email.

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This is a Leet email, and I Fajir it.

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I am Fajiring the Fajirness of the Eliteness.

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We speak Leet, that would make a good t-shirt slogan.

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I speak Leet, therefore I am Leet.

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Oh my God.

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What a great t-shirt that would be.

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You know somebody's going to be selling that at DEF CON now, without your permission.

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And it'll be black.

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White letters on a black shirt.

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Because that's the cheapest thing you can get.

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No way, man.

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We're going to make hacker shirts that are pink shirts with blue text.

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Sky blue.

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Like polka dots and purple and green.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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And beanies with propellers on the top.

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Oh, definitely.

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Motorized propellers.

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That way you don't have to get out of your chair to make it move.

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We'll make the little hats where you put the beer cans in the side of it with the straw.

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Oh man, those are the best.

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We'll put the BinRev logo on it, though.

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Yeah.

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Now we can have it the Beer Revolution hat.

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There we go.

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B-R, baby.

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Beer Revolution.

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All right, what about this caller?

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Caller ID comment here.

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Okay, okay.

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I think, I remember when they were talking about this, and Lucky was saying that Caller ID

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is broken and useless, and I think, Doug, if I have it correctly, I think Doug said that

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eventually somebody will come out with a new Caller ID box that works in a different way

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so that people can't mess with it anymore.

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Now, the way I look at it is, first of all, Caller ID is not being messed with between the

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central office and your phone, unless you're using, like, an orange box.

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If somebody's spoofing Caller ID, they're spoofing it before it even gets to your, you know,

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before it gets to your Caller ID box.

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Caller ID box is not doing the work.

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It's the phone switch.

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So fixing your Caller ID box is not going to matter.

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They have to fix the actual phone switches.

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So when somebody passes it, a bogus CPN or ANI, whatever you want to call it, everyone's

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got a different name for it.

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Now, whenever you pass it, a bogus one of those, their way to fix it is they'd have to

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do some homework and try to figure out if it looks legit, and if it does, pass it through.

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If it doesn't, then do out of area.

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There's been rumors that Verizon is doing this in some areas already.

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They're looking at it, trying to figure out if it's legit, and throwing it away if it's not.

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So that's how you could fix Caller ID.

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But as far as fixing it on the customer end, I don't think anything needs to be done

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because I don't think the customer end of it's broken.

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But, yeah, I agree.

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Caller ID is good.

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You know, Lucky always says that, you know, you can't depend on it, so why even bother?

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You know, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.

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You know, it's just like anything else, you've got to deal with it.

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Yeah, well, your typical...

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It's not perfect.

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Yeah, your typical average everyday person can depend on it.

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Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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And I feel that way.

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Doug feels that way.

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Lucky doesn't.

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But, you know, he's got his points, though.

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I guess Lucky hangs out with a lot of people that spoof Caller ID.

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So, you know, for him it's probably not as valuable.

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But, you know, for my parents, you know, my parents' friends don't spoof Caller ID.

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They could, theoretically, but they don't.

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So, it's not an issue for them.

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Well, they could use one of those new online services that are popping up everywhere that

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let you dial a number and buy some minutes, you know, those things.

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Yeah, yeah, you could use one of those.

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But most, the majority of people in the United States, if you look, percentage-wise, people

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who use phones versus people who use Caller ID spoofing, I'm sure that the percentage of

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people who use phones that use both are very small.

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You know, it's not like 50% of people are using these services.

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Because if they were, then the people making these services would be fucking billionaires

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at this point.

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And they're not, I don't think.

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Hmm.

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So, but in any case, yeah, Caller ID is definitely worthwhile.

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And if somebody spoofs their Caller ID to you, and it looks like your parents are calling

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or something like that, and it's really some guy who's harassing you about something, you

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fucking hang up.

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Yeah, you've still got that.

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And then when your parents call you back two seconds later, you say, oh, it's probably

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this guy spoofing the number again.

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I'll let it go to voicemail.

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You know.

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Hmm.

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It's a cat and mouse game, and I don't want to, like, lay down and play dead.

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Sometimes Caller ID works, as it doesn't.

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So, I'm not just going to give up on it entirely.

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Good response to that.

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Man, you know what?

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We've got not only that, we've already had a couple emails that were, like, perfectly suited

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for you to answer, and I think there's some more coming up.

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I just wanted to say to Unity that I appreciate the feedback on the old episodes on Bell's Mind.

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As far as I know, there's only one person who listens to it, and it's Whitesword.

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I keep it up to date for Whitesword, because he asks me about it all the time.

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He's like, oh, are you going to have the new episode?

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He's not, like, harassing me about it.

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But he asks me about it all the time.

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So, I put it up for him.

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But now that I know that two people are using it, maybe I'll stay more on top of it.

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As far as I can tell, nobody's really using it other than you guys.

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So, if anybody else is using it out there, email me and let me know.

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So, I'll, you know, keep up on it and not let it fall behind like it did.

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Email you at?

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Oh, let me think.

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ntheory at bellsmind.net.

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Okay.

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Probably.

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All right.

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And what about, shouldn't the podcast, shouldn't that help you a lot?

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Can't you grab the podcast, which is updated, you know, pretty much immediately, and grab

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the show from there and, like, automate it so you're hands off, you don't have to remember?

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You know something?

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I talked to somebody about this a while.

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I don't remember if it was you or maybe Natish.

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We were talking about podcasting and doing something like that.

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I just haven't gotten around to doing it.

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You know, I'm aware of podcasting.

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I know, you know, what it's all about.

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But I'm not really into it with a point where I can just hammer out a script real quick

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and have it all done.

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I mean, I'm sure if I sat down for, like, an hour, I could probably do it.

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I just haven't been motivated.

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You know, I go into the server, you know, once a week or something like that and do maintenance,

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and conveniently, your shows come out once a week.

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So, you know, I do a bunch of stuff, and at the same time, I download the show and update it.

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You don't even, you won't have to sit down an hour.

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You'll sit down five minutes.

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It's super simple.

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But anyway.

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Okay, fair enough.

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So, I'm reading this next email from Luminaire, I think is how that's pronounced.

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I think so.

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And he says,

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Hey, Stank, I've really been enjoying the show lately.

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You've always had interesting content, but the more recent shows have had much better content,

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technically speaking, that has really made it much more enjoyable.

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In regards to your brief conversation about data centers in Episode 90,

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there's a forum on DSL reports that is nothing but photos of big iron broadband gear at data centers.

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Oh, yeah.

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Or and data centers.

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Hope you enjoy.

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Okay, www.dslreports.com slash forum slash bbphotos.

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I was going to save you having to read that, and I tiny URL'd it.

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Ah, okay.

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Well, now I can read the tiny URL, too.

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Okay.

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Tinyurl.com forward slash lowercase bsh8w.

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Yeah, and now see, now, and this is a good, you didn't realize I was going to go here,

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but the way you pronounce that is a great segue into some fun I actually had from this email,

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which, thank you for the email, of course, but I actually started playing around because of this email.

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First of all, I went there and looked at some of the pictures, and actually, let's talk about that before I go into my little,

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because I had some fun with this.

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But before we do, did you hear Episode 90 when we were talking about just, to me, I know it's really corny,

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and this is just a geek thing, to me, it really is a beautiful thing to see a nice, big, clean data center with the server.

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Not, and I don't mean seeing a bunch of Dell servers or a rack mount.

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I mean going in and seeing sun boxes and AS400s and mainframes, raised floors and halon systems and alarms

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and under, checking for water leaks and air condition control, that's just, when it's done right, it's a thing of beauty.

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It's a work of art to me, and I love it.

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Oh, I totally agree.

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Have you seen, have you got any good stories of some that you've been to or you've seen?

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Well, I've been in a couple of data centers.

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I have, you know, the Bell's Mine machine is located in Virginia.

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I got to check out that data center.

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That was more kind of the run-of-the-mill data center.

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You know, like you said, a lot of Dell machines, a lot of rack mount stuff,

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but also like shelves that had, you know, just regular full-size machines on it, some XPCs in there.

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It was an interesting mix of stuff.

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I've also got co-location in Manhattan at this 55 Broad Street,

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which is pretty popular for people in Manhattan to co-locate at.

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That place was very cool.

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That place was more like no bullshit, like serious machines, you know, like five U-boxes,

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just stuffed full of hard drives everywhere.

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You know, dropped floors, all that kind of stuff.

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And, you know, just hardware lying all around it.

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These guys are like, you know, they're ordering machines for people.

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So they've got, they had a whole room full of empty boxes from computers.

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It must have been a hundred empty boxes of these computers that they were putting together.

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They had fucking terabytes of hard drives just laying on this table waiting to be installed.

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Like, cool stuff like that is interesting.

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Keep talking.

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It's interesting to me.

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So I've been in a couple data centers like that, definitely.

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Keep talking.

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I'm getting aroused.

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Oh, yeah, baby.

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Actually, I'll tell you the coolest data center I've ever been in.

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My previous job, I was doing some video processing stuff,

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and I got to go to the Cablevision head end in Manhattan.

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Now, that place has some fucking seriously cool hardware.

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They have real-time MPEG-2 video encoders for their digital channels.

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They have huge banks of hard drives for their video-on-demand services.

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We got to see how all that stuff ties together.

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And they have, you know, huge co-ax runs all the way up to the roof where they have satellite dishes.

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And it's just that kind of stuff is awesome.

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That is not like regular, you know, co-location and web hosting type stuff.

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That is real serious hardware that's got to be up 24 hours a day, you know,

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so that everybody can watch all these channels.

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We could watch channels being fed to Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx.

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We could see, like, every single piece of hardware that it went through mapped out on this computer.

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And where it was going and when hardware was, like, flaky or about to fail

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and automatic failover and that kind of stuff.

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That stuff is awesome.

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I was really down with that.

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And the ones that have, like, a nice control center where you have, like, your main consoles

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and access to everything from one spot and sometimes a nice big screen with a map of everything

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and what's up and down and stuff like that.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This had all that kind of stuff.

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We could even watch and see on their video-on-demand.

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And they had a regular setup for their video encoders to tell them, like,

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which ones are encoding which channels and all that stuff.

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But they had a new system they had just set up that we were checking out that showed their video-on-demand stuff.

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And we could actually watch and see on the screen as people were requesting shows what was being requested.

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So that was very cool stuff.

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And they were building another new room that had just flat panels all along the wall

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where they could watch all kinds of stuff.

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Like, they were getting video feeds from all around the country

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and they could watch when stuff was coming in

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and where different demand in Manhattan was for different shows

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and, you know, the bandwidth for people's cable modems and stuff,

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because that stuff went through the same head end.

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The bandwidth spikes for cable modems in different regions of Manhattan,

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it was just awesome.

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Pay-per-view bukkake?

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What's that?

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Pay-per-view bukkake?

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Oh, there was tons of that.

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Oh, yeah.

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They have 20 terabits of bandwidth dedicated to that.

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Oh, that's sweet.

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That is sweet.

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And you're just going to put a negative one and you're set.

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Yeah, it's not only the actual computers and systems,

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but it's the whole package.

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Seeing the UPS and you're like,

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holy cow, look at the size of that UPS.

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You know, look at the power and the backup generators

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and just all the other actually machine room type stuff

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that goes along with it as well.

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And one of the little things,

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if you ever do have an opportunity to go visit one of these,

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or look for one nearby and ask for a tour or something like that if you can.

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One of the things, and again, this is a geek thing,

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one of the little things that I appreciated is,

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if you can, most of them also have a nice raised floor,

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and you don't think about it until you really look,

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go out of your way to look for it,

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but you'll notice you don't see any wires coming out of these,

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so very few of them are ice and organized,

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especially if you see a big switch,

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like a phone switching and stuff like that,

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when you've got the cables are all tied nice and clean

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and color coordinated,

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and oh, that's a beautiful thing.

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But follow them where they go under that raised floor,

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grab those little suction cup things,

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lift a section of the floor up,

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and look underneath of it.

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That's a beautiful, beautiful sight to me.

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All those cables running wild under there,

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it is just a jungle,

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an electronic jungle going underneath there.

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And when you stick your head under there,

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you'll feel, and Fajir,

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the cold breeze,

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the cold breeze that blows underneath of there,

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that's being circulated.

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It's just beautiful.

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It really is an amazing sight.

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Yeah, the data centers that I've been in,

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like you walk in,

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and you're just freezing right away.

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It doesn't matter what time of year it is,

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because the ones,

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except for the Cablevision head end,

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that was,

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I think that was on like the 14th floor

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of some building in Manhattan.

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But the other ones that I've been to

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have all been in the basement

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of different buildings,

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or the sub-basement,

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or in 55 Broad Street,

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I think it's a sub-basement.

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You know, it's like three stories

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or four stories underground,

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and they are just freezing.

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If you're not going in there

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with like a sweater

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in the middle of the summer,

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you're screwed.

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Yeah, when I worked in some data centers,

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and I could go in there

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for three or four minutes,

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and like if I had to go do something quick

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at the console,

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or change some tapes,

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or just go type a couple quick commands,

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you're all right.

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But if you're going to be in there

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more than that,

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oh yeah,

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I kept a jacket in my office,

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or my cubicle,

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I should say.

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I had a Cubeland thing going on.

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Keep a jacket in your cube,

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you know,

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24-7.

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You just kept one on there

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because if you're going to go in there

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for any length of time,

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you've got to have a jacket.

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Definitely.

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All right,

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but anyway,

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back to the fun I had

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from this email

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was actually with tiny URLs,

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not exactly related to the email.

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But because what I like to do

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for the listeners,

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I just heard a strange sound

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from the phone.

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I hope you're still there.

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Yeah, I'm still here.

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Okay.

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This was kind of a long URL,

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which Not Theory already read for you,

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but I tiny URL'd this,

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but I did not like

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the tiny URL it created,

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and Not Theory hesitated,

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I don't know if you realize it,

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when he read it

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because he wanted to make sure

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he enunciated

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because the tiny URL it created

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was B as in boy,

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S as in Sam,

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but then it was H as in Henry,

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and the number 8,

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and then a W as in William.

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Well, that H and the 8,

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the number,

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are very close together,

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and especially on the radio,

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if you don't enunciate clearly,

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which he did,

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it could be easily confused,

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and I didn't want to,

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I wanted a new one.

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I didn't like the one

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that it gave me.

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So, I learned something

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about tiny URL

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and started playing around with this.

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I didn't like that link

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that it gave me,

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so I went right back

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to the same site

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and created another tiny URL

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off the same thing,

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and I found out

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something that I didn't know,

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maybe you didn't,

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I know you like tiny URL a lot,

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but I don't know

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if you've ever been faced with this,

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but when I put in

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that same URL,

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it gave me the same tiny URL.

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It's actually smart enough,

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and this is great

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from an administrative standpoint,

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from a design standpoint.

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It gave me

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the same tiny URL again.

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It didn't generate a new one.

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It was smart enough

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to search its database,

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and obviously key on that URL

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that I sent it

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to find that there was

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the one that already exists.

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Now, people who aren't

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familiar with tiny URL,

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it will take any URL

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you give it

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and give it a short URL,

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tinyurl.com slash,

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and then a five-character number.

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Well, and they don't expire.

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They never expire,

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according to them.

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So, it keeps them.

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So, this thing searches

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through the database,

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realizes that it's already

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been made once before,

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and it gives you

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the tiny URL

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that already exists.

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I never thought about it before,

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but when you create

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a tiny URL sometimes,

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it may not be generating it.

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It may be pulling it

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from a database

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from someone else

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who already generated it.

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Yeah, actually,

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when I first found out

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about tiny URL,

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I did come across this,

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and it was because

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I was trying to find

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as many ways as I could

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to trick this particular person

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that I was friends with

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at the time

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into going to www.goatse.cx.

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Right.

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And tiny URL at the time

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was not big.

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Like, it had just started up,

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at least from what I could tell.

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Maybe it was there earlier,

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but I had just started

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hearing about it from people.

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So I was like,

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hmm, how am I going to

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trick this guy into doing it?

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So I sent him a tiny URL

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that pointed to it.

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And then he's like,

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ha, ha, ha, very funny, whatever.

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He went to it and got tricked.

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But then I went back to it again

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to try to generate another,

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and exactly what you said happened.

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I got the same tiny URL.

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Interesting.

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I think back then

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you could trick it

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by slapping junk

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on the end of the URL,

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like a question mark

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or something

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that wouldn't affect the URL.

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Exactly.

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And that's exactly

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what I'm getting ready

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to talk about

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is that you can

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absolutely still do that.

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Oh, you can.

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Okay.

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I figured maybe

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they had changed it

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so that you couldn't

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do some simple stuff anymore

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to get around that.

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Right.

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Some stuff it does not allow you.

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It has to be something

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that doesn't actually change

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the final location

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of the URL.

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It has to still end up there.

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And a question mark,

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I didn't particularly try that,

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but that probably would work

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because it's going to

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basically ignore it.

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because it's not

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a valid character.

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It should ignore it

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and just use the rest of it.

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But what I did

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is just adding an extra slash

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on the end of it.

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Oh, okay.

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If it's just a directory,

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you can get away.

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And that's what this was.

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So I just put an extra slash

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because we know that

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it treats that

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as just a redundant

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forward slash.

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So it won't go anywhere

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or it won't redirect it

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or anything like that.

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You could also put in

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a dot slash

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if you've read

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my directory transversal article

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in Binary Revolution Magazine

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2.1,

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pimp, pimp.

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You'd realize there's

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a lot of other ways

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to point to it.

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And basically,

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that's what I found out.

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You can throw

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an extra backslash.

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Again, maybe a question mark

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as you said.

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And yes,

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it goes to the exact

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same place,

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but TinyURL

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is not smart enough

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to acknowledge that.

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It treats it

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as though it has

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one extra character

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and it is doing

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a literal

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field-to-field comparison.

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And if it doesn't

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match literally

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to the first URL

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that has the extra slash,

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it will generate

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a new URL for you,

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a new TinyURL for you.

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Yeah, well,

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you know,

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parking URLs is a real pain.

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So I think they're better off

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doing it the way

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that they do it.

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Yeah, like I said,

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it's definitely a great idea

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from their side

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from a design standpoint.

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And it's kind of interesting

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to think that,

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you know,

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that Goatsea link

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that you made,

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someone else probably

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made 500 times before you.

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You're all getting

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the same one,

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you just don't even know it.

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Exactly.

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So it's kind of interesting

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to think about that.

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Just for proof of concept,

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if people want to see

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exactly what I'm talking about,

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the first TinyURL I gave

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was BSH8W.

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I also,

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just as proof of concept,

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made three more

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A-G,

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I'm sorry,

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is that a G or a Q?

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That's a Q.

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A-Q,

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S-S-4,

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then D-F,

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D-G-7,

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and finally,

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D-P-T-H-C.

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Go look at all three of those.

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It'll tell you

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the original URL

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if you look those up.

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I think it will, actually.

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Maybe I should correct me.

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I'm not sure

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if it will show you that.

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I think it'll show you

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the original URL.

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It'll definitely take you

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to the resulting site,

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and if you look in the URL

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up in the nav bar,

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you will see

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what it took you to,

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and you will see

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different ones

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for each one of those.

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You'll end up at the same place

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because, like I said,

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it doesn't affect anything,

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but it does give you

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a unique number.

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So if you do need it for,

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like,

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because I had a valid reason.

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It's hard for me

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to read that on the air

39:33.860 --> 39:35.380
and enunciate properly,

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so I had a valid reason for it.

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So, again,

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the article in

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Binary Revolution magazine

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about directory transversal,

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there's some crossover topics,

39:44.360 --> 39:46.300
the same thought process,

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some of the same things

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I explained in there.

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You'll understand why

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they can be used

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in other ways.

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But understanding that

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can get you

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a lot of other things.

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It opens your mind

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to a lot of other possibilities,

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and this is one of them.

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So, yeah, that's the...

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It actually reminds me

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of something.

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If I could just step in here

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really quickly.

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Sure.

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I don't remember

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where I saw it,

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but I saw an article recently

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about security

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and generating...

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You know, people pick...

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People usually pick

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really dumb passwords.

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You know, they pick, like,

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their dog's name

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or something like that.

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Password, God, Sex, and Secret.

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What's that?

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Password, God, Sex, and Secret.

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Oh, dude,

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why did you have to

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drop my password?

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Wasn't that from hackers?

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Wasn't that the four

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most commonly used

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passwords or something?

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Anyway.

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I think it was

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Sex, Love, and Secret.

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Or God, I don't know

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what that was.

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I don't remember either.

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Anyway.

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But this article

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was talking about

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how people usually

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choose really bad passwords.

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So some system administrators

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randomly generate passwords

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and give them to users

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and make them, you know,

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force them to remember them.

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They say it's a bad thing

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because people end up

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writing these passwords down

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and, you know,

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or forgetting them entirely

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and having to have them

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reset all the time.

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So what some system administrators

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were doing was

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they were generating

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a bunch of random passwords

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and you could select

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from a list

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and say,

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I can remember this one

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most easily.

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Right.

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Which is a little bit

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better idea,

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but this new guy

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was talking about

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generating a random string

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but that had words

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that made sense.

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Like it was kind of

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like a sentence

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of just random words

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slapped together

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so it'd be easier

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to remember.

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Like it'd be easier

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for you to remember,

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you know,

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the quick brown fox

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jumped something,

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one of those types of sentences.

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It's easier to remember

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something like that

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than whatever that URL was,

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B-S-H-A-W.

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Right.

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So this guy was saying

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the best way to do it

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is to just generate

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like a random sentence

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maybe with some numbers

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or something in it

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and then let people

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choose that.

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Your passwords are longer

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but it's easier

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for people to remember

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and they don't have to

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keep getting their passwords

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reset.

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So I think if somebody

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came out with a tiny URL

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that generated something

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that was a little more

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readable

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and pronounceable

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and I think

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that some tiny URLs

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have a mix of case

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of letters

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like sometimes

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there's an uppercase

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letter in there somewhere.

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No, you can't have

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mixed case in a URL,

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can you?

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Well, yeah,

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I guess obviously

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you have to.

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Yeah.

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That's right,

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you can't have it

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in the domain name

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but you absolutely

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can have it in the path.

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Right,

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and I think,

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don't quote me on this

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but I think that

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I've seen tiny URLs

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that have like one

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uppercase letter in it

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or something like that.

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I think it's a bad idea.

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But I think if somebody

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came out with a tiny URL

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competitor or whatever,

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it's not like they

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charge money for it

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but something like

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a tiny URL that generated

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something that was

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a little easier to remember,

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I think it'd be

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more successful.

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I know a lot of people

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use tiny URL

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but they run into

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the same problem

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that you're saying.

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It's hard to pronounce them,

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it's hard to remember them,

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so I don't know.

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Maybe that's something

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I'll do out of boredom

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one day.

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I was going to say,

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it's absolutely not

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that difficult.

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It really isn't.

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Super simple,

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actually.

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I'm actually going to

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commit on the show

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to doing that.

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Uh-oh.

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Another one?

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Oh, yeah.

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This will take

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half an hour.

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I was going to say,

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this is a 30-minute...

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If it takes any longer

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than that,

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you can kick me

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out of the group.

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I was going to say,

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that's a 30-minute

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project, seriously.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, yeah,

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I guess let's move on

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to another email.

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Now that I've taught

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everybody how to

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DOS tiny URL...

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Nice, I'm doing it

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right now.

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I actually just wrote

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a Perl script while

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I was going through

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that whole tirade

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about not being able

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to read tiny URLs.

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I'm DOSing them

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right now.

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Write a little

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Perl script,

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just regex and keep

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appending a slash

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on the end of it.

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Use a little recursion

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to keep extending it.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's over.

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All right, anyway,

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please don't do that

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because we like tiny URL.

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No, if you need

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the script to do that,

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email me.

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I'll send it to you.

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All right, damn it.

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Why'd you say that?

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All right, next email.

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Let's see.

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You want to do this?

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No, I'll do this one.

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This is a long one.

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I'll read this one.

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Oh, God.

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Yeah, this email

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is from Sefron.

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Sefran?

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Sefron.

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Sefron, I think.

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All right, Sefron.

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It says,

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Dears, thank dog

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and not theory.

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It doesn't say that,

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but whatever.

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For the past few shows,

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it says co-host.

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Again, I'm parsing

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on the fly here.

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For the past few shows,

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you've tended to mention

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something about your

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connection or your ISP

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or other things

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similar to that nature.

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Sometimes you bitch.

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Well, yes, I do.

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Sometimes it's just

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general discussion

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about different services.

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Anyway, I wanted to tell you

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about the utter shambles

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that is some ISPs

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here in England.

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Ah, bloody.

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Oh, wait a minute.

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Can I do my English voice

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for this one?

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Maybe a little bit.

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Yeah, I'm going to continue.

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Let me give it a shot.

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My English voice

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probably sounds like

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my Australian voice

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or my Chinese voice.

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But anyway,

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let's see.

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Here in England.

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Over here,

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all the phone lines

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Wait a minute.

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Is that English?

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No, that's Australian.

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Where the fuck?

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Over here,

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all the phone lines

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in the country

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are owned by one company,

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British Telecom.

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God, I suck at

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British accent.

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Yeah, you might want

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to skip this one.

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And you've got to pay

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line rental to them

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every bloody month

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for a telephone line,

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even though your service

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can go through

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other companies.

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So saying the truth,

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Imagine BT,

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which is British Telecom,

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must be a pretty good

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and experienced company

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when it comes to

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all things telecommunication.

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Wrong.

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About eight months ago,

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I took part in an experiment

45:04.260 --> 45:05.360
to try and extend

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to reach of broadband connections.

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I believe the line type

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is called RADSL.

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RADSL?

45:15.660 --> 45:16.000
What is that?

45:17.320 --> 45:19.860
RADSL is rate adaptive DSL

45:19.860 --> 45:20.600
as far as I know.

45:20.700 --> 45:22.480
It's a DSL that can change

45:22.480 --> 45:23.640
its speed based on

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the distance you are

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from the CO.

45:25.040 --> 45:25.680
It's got some type

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of fancy technique

45:26.700 --> 45:27.460
to figure out

45:27.460 --> 45:28.740
how far away

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from the CO you are

45:29.600 --> 45:30.620
or just figure out

45:30.620 --> 45:31.500
general line conditions

45:31.500 --> 45:32.440
like a regular modem.

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It kind of negotiates

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and says,

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oh, there's this much noise,

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I'll try to go this speed.

45:36.200 --> 45:37.520
So if I'm correct,

45:38.000 --> 45:40.460
that RADSL is rate adaptive DSL.

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Okay.

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He goes on to say,

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I was overjoyed

45:43.440 --> 45:44.000
when I learned

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this was becoming possible

45:45.660 --> 45:46.360
because I live

45:46.360 --> 45:47.700
in a rather remote village

45:47.700 --> 45:48.480
about three miles

45:48.480 --> 45:49.740
from the nearest exchange

45:49.740 --> 45:52.460
and was just out of range

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of broadband connection.

45:53.900 --> 45:54.460
So naturally,

45:54.580 --> 45:55.580
I signed up right away.

45:55.920 --> 45:57.100
I was told the experiment

45:57.100 --> 45:58.160
would last about a month

45:58.160 --> 46:01.300
and a half would be

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totally free of charge.

46:02.820 --> 46:04.860
Oh, the experiment

46:04.860 --> 46:05.720
would last about

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a month and a half

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and would be

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totally free of charge.

46:10.520 --> 46:11.800
I'm new to this reading thing.

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What do you want me

46:12.180 --> 46:12.600
to tell you?

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No, me too.

46:13.860 --> 46:15.160
I was also told

46:15.160 --> 46:16.260
that after the experiment,

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the line would be

46:17.920 --> 46:18.840
totally terminated

46:18.840 --> 46:19.800
and I'd have to go back

46:19.800 --> 46:21.800
to my standard 56K connection.

46:22.300 --> 46:23.500
So answer me this.

46:23.760 --> 46:24.780
How come eight months

46:24.780 --> 46:25.480
down the line

46:25.480 --> 46:26.380
are they still saying

46:26.380 --> 46:27.280
that we owe the money

46:27.280 --> 46:29.480
for British telecom broadband?

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Uh, I don't know

46:32.240 --> 46:33.000
that I can answer that.

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Uh, yes, I do have

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a broadband connection now,

46:36.500 --> 46:37.120
but my service

46:37.120 --> 46:38.620
is through Tesco,

46:38.800 --> 46:39.760
T-E-S-C-O,

46:40.080 --> 46:41.800
a completely separate ISP

46:41.800 --> 46:43.060
from British telecom.

46:43.520 --> 46:44.820
My mom has tried

46:44.820 --> 46:45.280
for months

46:45.280 --> 46:46.100
to get this problem

46:46.100 --> 46:46.620
sorted out

46:46.620 --> 46:47.860
with several phone calls,

46:48.000 --> 46:48.720
letters, emails,

46:48.860 --> 46:49.280
and the lot.

46:49.780 --> 46:50.700
But so far,

46:50.760 --> 46:51.480
it's all come up

46:51.480 --> 46:52.080
with nothing.

46:52.860 --> 46:53.800
They seem unable

46:53.800 --> 46:54.320
to grasp,

46:54.400 --> 46:55.100
God, I'm horrible

46:55.100 --> 46:56.060
at an English accent.

46:56.060 --> 46:58.380
The simple fact

46:58.380 --> 46:59.060
we do not have

46:59.060 --> 46:59.980
broadband with them

46:59.980 --> 47:00.980
and that the free

47:00.980 --> 47:02.120
experimental trial

47:02.120 --> 47:02.860
was free,

47:03.880 --> 47:04.720
their call takers

47:04.720 --> 47:05.700
are all as thick

47:05.700 --> 47:07.200
as pig stuff,

47:07.540 --> 47:08.160
not pig shit,

47:08.220 --> 47:08.860
I guess I can read it

47:08.860 --> 47:09.480
when it's his email,

47:10.060 --> 47:11.320
and completely incapable

47:11.320 --> 47:12.540
of independent thought.

47:12.620 --> 47:13.200
They might as well

47:13.200 --> 47:13.780
be machines

47:13.780 --> 47:15.020
with built-in insults

47:15.020 --> 47:16.240
and belittling comments.

47:16.920 --> 47:17.560
So far,

47:17.640 --> 47:18.160
they reckon

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we owe them

47:19.060 --> 47:20.680
around 200 pounds,

47:21.040 --> 47:21.560
which I think

47:21.560 --> 47:22.140
is something like

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$380 for a service

47:23.640 --> 47:24.800
we've never even had.

47:24.800 --> 47:25.860
Even if the free

47:25.860 --> 47:26.760
experimental trial

47:26.760 --> 47:27.500
wasn't free,

47:27.580 --> 47:28.040
it should have only

47:28.040 --> 47:30.500
cost us 25 to 35 pounds

47:30.500 --> 47:31.140
tops.

47:32.480 --> 47:32.880
Anyway,

47:33.080 --> 47:33.240
yeah,

47:33.320 --> 47:34.100
that's pretty much it,

47:34.200 --> 47:34.840
so count yourselves

47:34.840 --> 47:35.620
lucky over there

47:35.620 --> 47:36.100
in the States

47:36.100 --> 47:36.760
you don't have

47:36.760 --> 47:38.040
complete incompetence

47:38.040 --> 47:38.540
like this.

47:38.580 --> 47:38.800
Oh yeah,

47:38.840 --> 47:39.040
we do.

47:39.440 --> 47:40.120
Or at least not

47:40.120 --> 47:40.700
with the one

47:40.700 --> 47:42.140
overall controlling company

47:42.140 --> 47:44.200
it's telephone lines.

47:44.820 --> 47:45.140
Oh,

47:45.280 --> 47:46.300
a little social engineering

47:46.300 --> 47:46.800
tip for you

47:46.800 --> 47:47.200
if you want to

47:47.200 --> 47:48.580
totally pone

47:48.580 --> 47:50.060
a stupid call taker,

47:50.520 --> 47:51.620
have your mom and dad

47:51.620 --> 47:52.660
constantly keep switching

47:52.660 --> 47:53.340
between talking

47:53.340 --> 47:53.900
to the person

47:53.900 --> 47:54.560
on the phone,

47:54.800 --> 47:55.420
and they'll soon

47:55.420 --> 47:55.980
transfer you

47:55.980 --> 47:56.860
to either a supervisor

47:56.860 --> 47:57.560
or they'll actually

47:57.560 --> 47:58.200
break away from

47:58.200 --> 47:58.940
the pre-programmed

47:58.940 --> 47:59.700
script written

47:59.700 --> 48:00.380
for them.

48:01.300 --> 48:02.380
If you do read

48:02.380 --> 48:03.240
this on the show,

48:03.820 --> 48:04.920
thanks tones,

48:05.080 --> 48:05.740
my mate will

48:05.740 --> 48:06.720
totally bow down

48:06.720 --> 48:07.980
to my leateness.

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Love the show

48:09.820 --> 48:10.800
and keep up

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with all the

48:11.540 --> 48:12.580
great content.

48:13.380 --> 48:13.860
Tones,

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bow down

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to the leateness

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of Sephron.

48:16.560 --> 48:18.980
Yeah,

48:19.040 --> 48:20.440
that was a little

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extra.

48:21.660 --> 48:21.840
Yeah,

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I don't know

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where all that

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bad lip

48:23.500 --> 48:24.060
came from,

48:24.280 --> 48:24.920
but I'm definitely

48:24.920 --> 48:25.380
the drink.

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That was pretty cool.

48:26.660 --> 48:27.200
So what do you have

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to say about all that

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there, buddy?

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Mr.

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Telco,

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were you about

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to call me

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Mr.

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Telco?

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Yeah,

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that's exactly

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what I was

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getting ready

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to call you.

48:35.720 --> 48:36.180
You're probably

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going to call me

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shithead,

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I guess,

48:37.760 --> 48:38.120
actually.

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Anyway,

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I just took a drink

48:41.620 --> 48:42.220
and you made me

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dribble all over

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myself.

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My drink,

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that is.

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You know,

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telcos over here

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are incompetent

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too,

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and the bad

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thing is,

48:50.100 --> 48:50.300
like,

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there's so many

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of them that

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are incompetent,

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whereas you guys

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just have one

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incompetent one,

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so I guess it

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depends how you

48:56.000 --> 48:56.600
look at it.

48:58.660 --> 48:59.320
You know,

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we're getting

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back towards one

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these days,

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you know.

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Yeah,

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we really are.

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Somebody posted,

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I think it was

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Strom Carlson posted

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a graphic that

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showed,

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like,

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the breakup

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and then the

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reassembling of

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the telcos.

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I saw that.

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That was a very

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interesting

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graphic.

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Yeah.

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There still are

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some independent

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telcos.

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Actually,

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there's still a lot

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of independent

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telcos around

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the U.S.,

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but,

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you know,

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they're so small,

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they're in,

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like,

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one town that

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you never hear

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of them,

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and I'm sure

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they don't offer

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broadband.

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But,

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yeah,

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I can't figure out

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how the hell,

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how you'd even be

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in their billing

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system that they

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would be trying

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to bill you

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for something

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like this.

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Yeah,

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they obviously

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started off with

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the intent,

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with one intent,

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and I guess

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probably,

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is it possible

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you outsourced

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it to another

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company and

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you got caught

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up in their

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billing when

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they shouldn't

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have or

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something?

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It's...

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It's possible,

49:56.040 --> 49:57.360
but British

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Telecom should,

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I assume that

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this person has

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one phone line

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going into the

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house.

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Did they say

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whether they did

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or not?

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No,

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he didn't say.

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I mean,

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anything we say

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is going to be

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speculation,

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really,

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at this point.

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Okay,

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fair enough.

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Let's assume

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he's only got

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one phone line

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and he's got

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phone service

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from Tesco.

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Like he said,

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British Telecom

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owns all of

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those lines,

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so unless British

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Telecom thinks

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that they have

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two types of

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DSL on their

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phone line,

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one from Tesco

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and one from

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British Telecom,

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something's got

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to be going

50:24.440 --> 50:25.060
wrong there.

50:25.060 --> 50:26.220
But isn't it

50:26.220 --> 50:27.980
like the way

50:27.980 --> 50:28.640
we're set up

50:28.640 --> 50:29.180
where,

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you know,

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Bell South

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or AT&T

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or whoever

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owns the

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infrastructure,

50:34.140 --> 50:34.680
but they're

50:34.680 --> 50:35.200
forced to

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lease them

50:35.560 --> 50:35.960
out to

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like the

50:36.320 --> 50:36.680
Celex

50:36.680 --> 50:36.940
and the

50:36.940 --> 50:38.140
smaller companies,

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so the

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smaller company

50:40.320 --> 50:41.220
pays a fee

50:41.220 --> 50:42.380
to use that

50:42.380 --> 50:42.840
line,

50:43.380 --> 50:43.860
a government

50:43.860 --> 50:44.720
regulation that

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forces them

50:45.240 --> 50:45.700
to give them

50:45.700 --> 50:46.180
a price to

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use the line,

50:47.300 --> 50:47.780
and that

50:47.780 --> 50:48.300
company will

50:48.300 --> 50:48.740
offer the

50:48.740 --> 50:49.060
service.

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Is it

50:49.360 --> 50:49.920
possible that

50:49.920 --> 50:50.220
this,

50:50.940 --> 50:51.380
what was it,

50:51.540 --> 50:51.740
no,

50:51.820 --> 50:52.360
not Telco,

50:52.640 --> 50:54.260
Tesco is

50:54.260 --> 50:54.800
like one of

50:54.800 --> 50:55.220
those type

50:55.220 --> 50:55.760
companies where

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they pay a fee

50:56.540 --> 50:56.880
to British

50:56.880 --> 50:58.060
Telecom to

50:58.060 --> 50:58.500
use the

50:58.500 --> 50:58.860
line,

50:59.040 --> 50:59.780
and British

50:59.780 --> 51:00.540
Telecom said,

51:00.640 --> 51:00.760
okay,

51:00.840 --> 51:01.140
here's our

51:01.140 --> 51:01.460
list of

51:01.460 --> 51:01.820
customers,

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go ahead and

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start doing

51:02.820 --> 51:03.200
what you want

51:03.200 --> 51:03.600
to do with

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them.

51:04.240 --> 51:04.540
So maybe

51:04.540 --> 51:04.800
they're

51:04.800 --> 51:04.920
building.

51:05.420 --> 51:06.040
I'm positive

51:06.040 --> 51:06.440
that that's

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how it works.

51:07.440 --> 51:08.140
Tesco in

51:08.140 --> 51:08.820
the U.S.

51:09.160 --> 51:09.520
terminology

51:09.520 --> 51:09.980
would be a

51:09.980 --> 51:10.380
CLEC,

51:10.760 --> 51:11.240
which is a

51:11.240 --> 51:11.600
competitive

51:11.600 --> 51:12.400
local exchange

51:12.400 --> 51:12.760
carrier,

51:13.220 --> 51:13.880
and British

51:13.880 --> 51:14.400
Telecom would

51:14.400 --> 51:14.660
be the

51:14.660 --> 51:15.080
ILEC,

51:15.160 --> 51:15.520
which is the

51:15.520 --> 51:15.960
incumbent

51:15.960 --> 51:17.240
local exchange

51:17.240 --> 51:17.520
carrier.

51:17.680 --> 51:19.140
They own

51:19.140 --> 51:19.540
all of the

51:19.540 --> 51:19.780
lines,

51:19.900 --> 51:20.180
and like you

51:20.180 --> 51:20.280
said,

51:20.360 --> 51:20.640
they leased

51:20.640 --> 51:21.000
them out to

51:21.000 --> 51:21.520
other companies,

51:21.620 --> 51:22.040
but what I'm

51:22.040 --> 51:22.760
saying is that

51:22.760 --> 51:23.660
they may be

51:23.660 --> 51:24.360
getting dial tone

51:24.360 --> 51:24.940
service from

51:24.940 --> 51:25.680
British Telecom,

51:26.400 --> 51:27.140
but they may be

51:27.140 --> 51:27.800
getting DSL

51:27.800 --> 51:28.620
service from

51:28.620 --> 51:28.880
this other

51:28.880 --> 51:29.160
company,

51:29.240 --> 51:29.560
but British

51:29.560 --> 51:30.100
Telecom would

51:30.100 --> 51:30.580
have to have

51:30.580 --> 51:30.820
in their

51:30.820 --> 51:31.520
records something

51:31.520 --> 51:32.000
that says,

51:32.400 --> 51:32.640
okay,

51:32.720 --> 51:33.200
these guys are

51:33.200 --> 51:33.800
getting DSL

51:33.800 --> 51:34.820
from Tesco,

51:35.060 --> 51:35.620
so that they

51:35.620 --> 51:36.100
know how much

51:36.100 --> 51:36.800
to charge

51:36.800 --> 51:38.740
Tesco for

51:38.740 --> 51:39.720
the line use.

51:41.140 --> 51:41.860
But if they

51:41.860 --> 51:42.440
have that in

51:42.440 --> 51:42.860
their records,

51:42.960 --> 51:43.620
they can't have

51:43.620 --> 51:44.160
in their records

51:44.160 --> 51:45.840
that they have

51:45.840 --> 51:46.440
DSL from

51:46.440 --> 51:47.120
British Telecom.

51:47.240 --> 51:47.660
That whole

51:47.660 --> 51:48.360
situation is weird.

51:48.460 --> 51:48.900
I wonder if

51:48.900 --> 51:49.380
Tesco,

51:49.380 --> 51:50.760
maybe providing

51:50.760 --> 51:51.380
him DSL

51:51.380 --> 51:51.740
service,

51:52.240 --> 51:52.660
he may be

51:52.660 --> 51:53.440
paying Tesco,

51:53.640 --> 51:54.360
but they may

51:54.360 --> 51:54.980
not be paying

51:54.980 --> 51:55.600
British Telecom

51:55.600 --> 51:56.320
for his line.

51:57.340 --> 51:58.120
So in order to

51:58.120 --> 51:58.580
resolve this,

51:58.640 --> 51:58.980
maybe I would

51:58.980 --> 51:59.620
go to Tesco

51:59.620 --> 52:00.060
and say to

52:00.060 --> 52:00.280
them,

52:00.580 --> 52:00.600
like,

52:00.900 --> 52:01.080
you know,

52:01.120 --> 52:01.640
British Telecom

52:01.640 --> 52:02.020
is trying to

52:02.020 --> 52:02.680
bill me for

52:02.680 --> 52:04.680
DSL service,

52:05.000 --> 52:05.960
which I have

52:05.960 --> 52:06.600
DSL service

52:06.600 --> 52:07.020
through you,

52:07.060 --> 52:07.600
and maybe have

52:07.600 --> 52:08.460
them handle it.

52:08.920 --> 52:09.800
Maybe even tell

52:09.800 --> 52:10.040
them you're

52:10.040 --> 52:10.460
thinking of

52:10.460 --> 52:11.100
canceling your

52:11.100 --> 52:11.800
DSL service

52:11.800 --> 52:12.060
because you're

52:12.060 --> 52:12.440
getting double

52:12.440 --> 52:13.100
billed for it,

52:13.460 --> 52:14.300
and maybe that

52:14.300 --> 52:14.640
will make a

52:14.640 --> 52:15.060
move a little

52:15.060 --> 52:15.420
bit more.

52:16.840 --> 52:17.280
You know,

52:17.400 --> 52:19.200
I would call

52:19.200 --> 52:19.940
what were

52:19.940 --> 52:20.220
they called

52:20.220 --> 52:20.480
again?

52:20.840 --> 52:21.200
Tesco.

52:21.760 --> 52:22.160
You know

52:22.160 --> 52:22.500
what I would

52:22.500 --> 52:22.720
say?

52:23.460 --> 52:23.940
I would call

52:23.940 --> 52:24.420
Tesco and

52:24.420 --> 52:24.580
say,

52:24.640 --> 52:24.900
are you

52:24.900 --> 52:25.440
ready to

52:25.440 --> 52:25.900
rock?

52:28.380 --> 52:28.900
That's just

52:28.900 --> 52:29.080
me.

52:29.080 --> 52:29.780
Oh my

52:29.780 --> 52:30.280
God.

52:30.520 --> 52:30.940
That's just

52:30.940 --> 52:31.220
me.

52:31.360 --> 52:31.740
I'm just

52:31.740 --> 52:31.980
saying,

52:32.060 --> 52:32.320
if that

52:32.320 --> 52:32.680
were me,

52:32.760 --> 52:33.120
that's what

52:33.120 --> 52:33.520
I'd do.

52:34.200 --> 52:34.580
And they'd

52:34.580 --> 52:34.960
pick up the

52:34.960 --> 52:35.240
phone and

52:35.240 --> 52:35.340
say,

52:35.400 --> 52:35.760
what the

52:35.760 --> 52:36.540
bloody hell

52:36.540 --> 52:36.780
are you

52:36.780 --> 52:37.480
talking about?

52:37.780 --> 52:38.200
What the

52:38.200 --> 52:38.920
bloody hell

52:38.920 --> 52:39.200
are you

52:39.200 --> 52:39.860
talking about?

52:39.940 --> 52:40.640
I am so

52:40.640 --> 52:40.860
bad.

52:40.920 --> 52:41.320
Why am I

52:41.320 --> 52:41.540
having,

52:41.740 --> 52:42.180
oh well,

52:42.260 --> 52:42.720
screw it.

52:42.960 --> 52:43.680
I can't do

52:43.680 --> 52:44.280
any accents

52:44.280 --> 52:44.620
either,

52:44.740 --> 52:45.280
other than,

52:45.480 --> 52:46.580
are you ready

52:46.580 --> 52:47.420
to rock?

52:47.420 --> 52:49.600
It's funny

52:49.600 --> 52:50.120
to try

52:50.120 --> 52:50.420
though.

52:52.420 --> 52:53.060
Funny for

52:53.060 --> 52:53.380
you,

52:53.540 --> 52:54.100
not for

52:54.100 --> 52:54.500
me.

52:54.740 --> 52:54.860
Yeah,

52:54.960 --> 52:55.160
well,

52:55.260 --> 52:55.520
you know,

52:55.800 --> 52:56.440
laughing at

52:56.440 --> 52:56.680
me and

52:56.680 --> 52:56.980
with me,

52:57.000 --> 52:57.400
who cares,

52:57.500 --> 52:57.860
as long as

52:57.860 --> 52:58.240
they're laughing.

52:59.020 --> 52:59.220
Alright,

52:59.280 --> 52:59.640
our next

52:59.640 --> 53:00.580
email comes

53:00.580 --> 53:00.960
from,

53:01.080 --> 53:01.420
speaking of,

53:01.480 --> 53:01.640
okay,

53:01.740 --> 53:02.320
check this

53:02.320 --> 53:02.860
name out.

53:04.140 --> 53:04.800
I think I

53:04.800 --> 53:05.200
have to do a

53:05.200 --> 53:05.700
voice for this

53:05.700 --> 53:05.920
name,

53:05.980 --> 53:06.460
it just feels

53:06.460 --> 53:06.940
like I need

53:06.940 --> 53:07.340
to grunt

53:07.340 --> 53:07.680
this.

53:08.240 --> 53:08.720
This email

53:08.720 --> 53:09.360
comes from

53:09.360 --> 53:10.340
Booga!

53:12.340 --> 53:12.580
Booga!

53:13.320 --> 53:14.080
Some type of

53:14.080 --> 53:14.740
Street Fighter 2

53:14.740 --> 53:15.260
character when

53:15.260 --> 53:15.680
you do that.

53:15.820 --> 53:16.420
I don't know

53:16.420 --> 53:16.660
what,

53:16.660 --> 53:18.460
B-O-G-A-A,

53:18.560 --> 53:18.880
Booga!

53:20.720 --> 53:21.760
Booga says,

53:22.520 --> 53:23.080
hello,

53:23.340 --> 53:23.720
man,

53:24.380 --> 53:24.960
like many

53:24.960 --> 53:25.640
people out

53:25.640 --> 53:25.840
there,

53:25.940 --> 53:26.480
I am a

53:26.480 --> 53:27.000
hacker who

53:27.000 --> 53:27.520
loves the

53:27.520 --> 53:27.960
show.

53:29.120 --> 53:29.880
I don't

53:29.880 --> 53:30.260
know.

53:30.820 --> 53:31.160
What the

53:31.160 --> 53:31.520
hell are you

53:31.520 --> 53:31.900
doing?

53:32.220 --> 53:33.040
I just make

53:33.040 --> 53:33.580
up voices

53:33.580 --> 53:34.180
sometimes.

53:34.220 --> 53:34.620
Is this the

53:34.620 --> 53:35.360
fucking mayhem

53:35.360 --> 53:35.980
that goes on

53:35.980 --> 53:36.540
the show

53:36.540 --> 53:37.000
when I'm not

53:37.000 --> 53:37.240
around?

53:37.860 --> 53:38.260
Exactly,

53:38.480 --> 53:38.980
exactly,

53:39.160 --> 53:39.480
I just,

53:39.520 --> 53:40.840
I'm cursing

53:40.840 --> 53:41.240
a lot.

53:41.500 --> 53:41.880
You're going

53:41.880 --> 53:42.100
to have to

53:42.100 --> 53:42.400
edit out

53:42.400 --> 53:42.880
every single

53:42.880 --> 53:43.340
curse I've

53:43.340 --> 53:43.520
done.

53:43.600 --> 53:43.740
Oh,

53:43.840 --> 53:43.960
no.

53:44.020 --> 53:44.240
And make

53:44.240 --> 53:44.620
a nice

53:44.620 --> 53:44.900
version.

53:44.980 --> 53:45.160
You've got

53:45.160 --> 53:45.320
to make

53:45.320 --> 53:45.700
a clean

53:45.700 --> 53:46.000
version.

53:46.000 --> 53:46.420
Just like

53:46.420 --> 53:47.160
the recording

53:47.160 --> 53:47.620
industry does.

53:47.620 --> 53:48.160
That is not

53:48.160 --> 53:48.580
happening.

53:48.680 --> 53:49.140
I'm surprised

53:49.140 --> 53:49.680
my neighbors

53:49.680 --> 53:50.040
aren't over

53:50.040 --> 53:50.440
here pounding

53:50.440 --> 53:50.880
on the door,

53:50.960 --> 53:51.300
by the way.

53:51.380 --> 53:51.640
It's like

53:51.640 --> 53:52.700
fucking 1 a.m.

53:54.140 --> 53:54.540
Anyway,

53:55.000 --> 53:55.640
let's see,

53:55.680 --> 53:56.140
where was I?

53:56.280 --> 53:57.840
Booga was

53:57.840 --> 53:58.320
saying,

53:58.460 --> 53:58.840
like many

53:58.840 --> 53:59.320
people out

53:59.320 --> 53:59.460
there,

53:59.500 --> 53:59.720
I'm a

53:59.720 --> 54:00.100
hacker who

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loves the

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show.

54:00.780 --> 54:01.080
All I can

54:01.080 --> 54:01.520
say is that

54:01.520 --> 54:01.940
it kicks

54:01.940 --> 54:02.400
ass.

54:02.400 --> 54:02.760
I have been

54:02.760 --> 54:03.360
downloading all

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episodes and

54:04.040 --> 54:04.500
listened to

54:04.500 --> 54:05.180
all of them

54:05.180 --> 54:06.260
in the past

54:06.260 --> 54:07.060
few weeks.

54:07.060 --> 54:07.900
I think

54:07.900 --> 54:08.220
the show

54:08.220 --> 54:08.540
is very

54:08.540 --> 54:09.120
useful for

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the starting

54:09.540 --> 54:11.720
hacker as

54:11.720 --> 54:13.920
well as

54:13.920 --> 54:14.300
the more

54:14.300 --> 54:14.760
experienced.

54:15.400 --> 54:15.960
I truly

54:15.960 --> 54:16.620
enjoy the

54:16.620 --> 54:17.220
conversations.

54:17.700 --> 54:18.420
I hope you

54:18.420 --> 54:18.980
will be doing

54:18.980 --> 54:19.560
this show for

54:19.560 --> 54:20.700
a very long

54:20.700 --> 54:21.140
time in the

54:21.140 --> 54:21.420
future.

54:22.240 --> 54:22.680
Unfortunately,

54:22.940 --> 54:23.300
there are no

54:23.300 --> 54:23.960
hacker meetings

54:23.960 --> 54:24.560
in the country

54:24.560 --> 54:25.080
where I'm

54:25.080 --> 54:25.360
living.

54:25.420 --> 54:25.540
Oh,

54:25.600 --> 54:25.720
see,

54:25.740 --> 54:26.000
I can't

54:26.000 --> 54:26.360
make fun of

54:26.360 --> 54:26.700
this guy's

54:26.700 --> 54:27.140
English because

54:27.140 --> 54:27.860
he's not a

54:27.860 --> 54:28.360
native English

54:28.360 --> 54:28.660
speaker.

54:28.800 --> 54:28.880
Okay.

54:29.320 --> 54:29.860
There we

54:29.860 --> 54:30.020
go.

54:30.240 --> 54:30.400
Yeah.

54:30.920 --> 54:31.500
I'm still

54:31.500 --> 54:31.840
going to call

54:31.840 --> 54:32.300
him Booga!

54:32.300 --> 54:34.780
country where

54:34.780 --> 54:35.260
I'm living,

54:35.440 --> 54:35.840
Netherlands,

54:36.060 --> 54:36.560
crazy Dutch

54:36.560 --> 54:36.860
people.

54:37.500 --> 54:37.640
Hey,

54:37.680 --> 54:38.040
let me tell

54:38.040 --> 54:38.140
you,

54:38.180 --> 54:38.640
the Netherlands,

54:38.860 --> 54:39.320
I went there

54:39.320 --> 54:39.620
once,

54:39.680 --> 54:40.000
I went to

54:40.000 --> 54:40.340
Amsterdam,

54:40.580 --> 54:40.960
those Dutch

54:40.960 --> 54:41.520
people speak

54:41.520 --> 54:42.040
English better

54:42.040 --> 54:42.500
than we do,

54:42.580 --> 54:43.000
so don't play

54:43.000 --> 54:43.280
games.

54:43.460 --> 54:43.600
Oh,

54:43.680 --> 54:43.820
okay.

54:43.980 --> 54:44.260
All right,

54:44.300 --> 54:44.460
good.

54:45.100 --> 54:45.420
And he

54:45.420 --> 54:45.880
said crazy

54:45.880 --> 54:46.120
Dutch

54:46.120 --> 54:46.360
people,

54:46.420 --> 54:46.820
not me,

54:46.940 --> 54:47.420
so don't

54:47.420 --> 54:47.560
yell at me.

54:47.560 --> 54:47.660
Oh,

54:47.660 --> 54:47.880
yeah.

54:48.380 --> 54:49.140
So I envy

54:49.140 --> 54:49.680
all of you

54:49.680 --> 54:50.240
who get to

54:50.240 --> 54:50.740
go to the

54:50.740 --> 54:51.720
2600 and all

54:51.720 --> 54:52.080
the other

54:52.080 --> 54:52.460
meetings.

54:53.020 --> 54:53.640
I had to

54:53.640 --> 54:54.140
scan the

54:54.140 --> 54:54.980
web for days

54:54.980 --> 54:55.560
to find

54:55.560 --> 54:56.000
simple,

54:56.280 --> 54:56.900
basic information

54:56.900 --> 54:57.480
about hacking

54:57.480 --> 54:57.940
back in the

54:57.940 --> 54:58.440
old days,

54:58.580 --> 54:59.200
but once I

54:59.200 --> 54:59.500
found the

54:59.500 --> 54:59.800
right way

54:59.800 --> 55:00.200
to find

55:00.200 --> 55:00.740
information,

55:00.940 --> 55:01.420
things went

55:01.420 --> 55:02.340
speedy for me.

55:02.680 --> 55:03.380
In my opinion,

55:03.540 --> 55:04.280
hacking is the

55:04.280 --> 55:04.780
art of

55:04.780 --> 55:05.440
information

55:05.440 --> 55:06.080
acquiring.

55:06.500 --> 55:06.880
Once you

55:06.880 --> 55:07.620
have info,

55:07.740 --> 55:08.740
the rest is

55:08.740 --> 55:09.440
easy.

55:10.300 --> 55:10.880
Very true

55:10.880 --> 55:11.240
statement.

55:12.000 --> 55:12.520
Anyways,

55:12.680 --> 55:12.980
man,

55:13.120 --> 55:13.660
I wish you

55:13.660 --> 55:14.360
all the luck

55:14.360 --> 55:15.120
in life

55:15.120 --> 55:16.200
and love.

55:16.320 --> 55:16.680
Oh,

55:16.820 --> 55:17.600
my goodness,

55:17.760 --> 55:18.340
not theory,

55:18.580 --> 55:19.480
I'm getting

55:19.480 --> 55:20.140
reclamped.

55:22.180 --> 55:22.940
I'm all

55:22.940 --> 55:23.440
reclamped.

55:23.780 --> 55:24.300
Talk among

55:24.300 --> 55:24.800
yourselves.

55:25.960 --> 55:26.440
Oh,

55:26.440 --> 55:28.880
that's beautiful.

55:29.200 --> 55:29.680
That's beautiful.

55:29.680 --> 55:30.040
That is

55:30.040 --> 55:30.400
beautiful.

55:30.660 --> 55:31.120
Thank you.

55:31.180 --> 55:31.460
Booga!

55:32.580 --> 55:33.380
It sounds

55:33.380 --> 55:35.160
like I'm

55:35.160 --> 55:35.740
throwing up

55:35.740 --> 55:36.380
but stopping

55:36.380 --> 55:36.820
right when it

55:36.820 --> 55:37.140
gets to my

55:37.140 --> 55:37.360
throat.

55:39.400 --> 55:39.940
It's like

55:39.940 --> 55:40.280
you're throwing

55:40.280 --> 55:40.900
up and pooping

55:40.900 --> 55:41.340
at the same

55:41.340 --> 55:41.660
time.

55:41.780 --> 55:42.100
Oh,

55:42.120 --> 55:42.840
that's nasty.

55:43.460 --> 55:43.720
You ever

55:43.720 --> 55:44.840
sneeze while

55:44.840 --> 55:45.440
taking a dump?

55:45.500 --> 55:45.620
Boy,

55:45.680 --> 55:46.280
that'll shut

55:46.280 --> 55:46.800
you off real

55:46.800 --> 55:47.080
quick.

55:47.220 --> 55:47.500
Oh,

55:47.760 --> 55:47.980
Jesus.

55:47.980 --> 55:48.860
That's instant

55:48.860 --> 55:49.480
loaf pinch

55:49.480 --> 55:49.920
right there.

55:50.060 --> 55:51.840
I was going

55:51.840 --> 55:52.060
to say,

55:52.120 --> 55:52.420
you break

55:52.420 --> 55:52.820
your pipes

55:52.820 --> 55:53.220
that way,

55:53.300 --> 55:53.400
dude.

55:53.820 --> 55:53.900
Exactly,

55:54.180 --> 55:54.440
man.

55:54.880 --> 55:55.460
It'll scare

55:55.460 --> 55:56.120
the crap out of you,

55:56.160 --> 55:56.720
especially if you've

55:56.720 --> 55:57.260
ever seen the

55:57.260 --> 55:58.080
weightlifting picture,

55:58.200 --> 55:58.840
but that's a whole

55:58.840 --> 55:59.260
other show.

55:59.480 --> 55:59.800
Oh,

55:59.820 --> 56:00.460
man.

56:01.640 --> 56:02.320
That's terrible.

56:03.900 --> 56:04.700
That's a recording

56:04.700 --> 56:05.560
for another show,

56:06.460 --> 56:07.320
which is actually,

56:07.480 --> 56:07.640
well,

56:08.040 --> 56:08.800
is going to be our

56:08.800 --> 56:09.580
main topic if we

56:09.580 --> 56:10.440
eventually get to it.

56:10.460 --> 56:11.140
I said we got a lot

56:11.140 --> 56:11.700
of emails tonight,

56:11.760 --> 56:12.160
but you know what?

56:12.180 --> 56:13.000
They're kind of good

56:13.000 --> 56:13.700
and fun emails,

56:13.840 --> 56:14.420
so we're still going

56:14.420 --> 56:14.880
to keep going.

56:14.960 --> 56:15.260
We've got a few

56:15.260 --> 56:15.520
more here.

56:16.300 --> 56:16.660
Anyway,

56:16.940 --> 56:18.320
about the meetings.

56:18.960 --> 56:19.120
Yeah,

56:19.260 --> 56:19.520
some,

56:19.860 --> 56:20.160
you know,

56:20.220 --> 56:20.900
meetings are cool

56:20.900 --> 56:21.320
and everything.

56:21.460 --> 56:21.900
You get to hang

56:21.900 --> 56:22.320
out with some

56:22.320 --> 56:23.080
like people and

56:23.080 --> 56:23.680
talk about,

56:23.720 --> 56:24.060
you know,

56:24.160 --> 56:24.780
geek and stuff

56:24.780 --> 56:25.300
like that.

56:25.660 --> 56:26.320
Some are better

56:26.320 --> 56:26.880
than others,

56:26.880 --> 56:27.600
but basically

56:27.600 --> 56:28.400
the meeting

56:28.400 --> 56:29.300
is what you make

56:29.300 --> 56:29.460
it.

56:30.140 --> 56:30.380
So,

56:30.600 --> 56:30.900
you know,

56:30.980 --> 56:31.460
it's like,

56:31.780 --> 56:32.040
yeah,

56:32.040 --> 56:32.700
they're cool,

56:33.260 --> 56:34.660
but there's no

56:34.660 --> 56:35.520
reason you can't

56:35.520 --> 56:36.240
start one of your

56:36.240 --> 56:36.420
own.

56:36.520 --> 56:36.640
You know,

56:36.700 --> 56:37.340
you have to take

56:37.340 --> 56:37.800
the initiative

56:37.800 --> 56:38.720
to start a meeting.

56:38.720 --> 56:40.260
so I don't know

56:40.260 --> 56:40.980
if you're willing

56:40.980 --> 56:41.640
to do that

56:41.640 --> 56:42.360
or anything like

56:42.360 --> 56:42.520
that,

56:42.580 --> 56:43.220
but for myself,

56:43.320 --> 56:43.780
for example,

56:44.700 --> 56:46.100
my closest meeting

56:46.100 --> 56:47.880
is about 45 minutes

56:47.880 --> 56:48.260
away,

56:48.700 --> 56:49.980
and in rush hour

56:49.980 --> 56:50.380
traffic,

56:50.480 --> 56:51.300
sometimes an hour.

56:52.060 --> 56:52.220
Well,

56:52.300 --> 56:53.660
it's usually 45 minutes

56:53.660 --> 56:54.100
to an hour

56:54.100 --> 56:55.060
in rush hour traffic,

56:55.620 --> 56:57.040
so it's like a,

56:57.200 --> 56:58.220
it's a good drive

56:58.220 --> 56:59.260
to get out there,

56:59.360 --> 57:00.540
and it's not exactly

57:00.540 --> 57:03.500
a convenient place.

57:03.600 --> 57:04.400
There's no Wi-Fi

57:04.400 --> 57:04.940
access,

57:05.360 --> 57:05.560
you know,

57:05.560 --> 57:06.360
all we do is sit

57:06.360 --> 57:07.960
and talk most of the

57:07.960 --> 57:08.340
time,

57:08.460 --> 57:09.480
it's not presentations

57:09.480 --> 57:10.540
as often as I would

57:10.540 --> 57:10.840
like,

57:10.960 --> 57:11.140
but,

57:11.780 --> 57:12.100
you know,

57:12.140 --> 57:12.680
it's been getting

57:12.680 --> 57:13.500
better and having

57:13.500 --> 57:14.000
more of those,

57:14.060 --> 57:14.460
but anyway,

57:15.380 --> 57:16.440
I am actually

57:16.440 --> 57:18.420
considering and

57:18.420 --> 57:19.420
probably going to be

57:19.420 --> 57:20.200
making a move

57:20.200 --> 57:21.600
next month to start

57:21.600 --> 57:22.760
a meeting closer

57:22.760 --> 57:23.180
to me,

57:23.620 --> 57:26.180
and I already

57:26.180 --> 57:28.600
co-run or co-host

57:28.600 --> 57:29.160
or whatever the

57:29.160 --> 57:29.980
local DEFCON

57:29.980 --> 57:30.740
Hack City meeting,

57:30.820 --> 57:32.120
the DC305 meeting,

57:33.040 --> 57:35.840
and I participate

57:35.840 --> 57:37.360
a lot in the

57:37.360 --> 57:39.000
Broward 2600 meeting,

57:39.560 --> 57:40.220
which is down in

57:40.220 --> 57:40.580
Miami,

57:40.960 --> 57:42.040
but those are a

57:42.040 --> 57:42.660
little bit too far

57:42.660 --> 57:42.920
for me,

57:42.960 --> 57:44.060
so I'm going to

57:44.060 --> 57:44.760
start a new meeting,

57:44.880 --> 57:45.420
and I think I'm

57:45.420 --> 57:45.880
actually going to

57:45.880 --> 57:46.580
use this as the

57:46.580 --> 57:48.100
opportunity to create

57:48.100 --> 57:49.140
the first BinRev

57:49.140 --> 57:49.500
meeting.

57:49.960 --> 57:50.360
Now,

57:50.400 --> 57:51.320
I'll probably list it

57:51.320 --> 57:52.440
as a 2600 meeting

57:52.440 --> 57:52.900
as well,

57:52.980 --> 57:53.820
I haven't decided

57:53.820 --> 57:54.160
really.

57:54.480 --> 57:55.100
If I do it on the

57:55.100 --> 57:55.740
same day,

57:56.040 --> 57:56.920
the first Friday of

57:56.920 --> 57:57.300
the month,

57:57.940 --> 57:59.060
and co-list it as a

57:59.060 --> 58:00.080
2600 meeting or

58:00.080 --> 58:00.360
something,

58:00.980 --> 58:01.660
but I don't want to

58:01.660 --> 58:02.220
get this weird

58:02.220 --> 58:03.480
competition thing going,

58:03.600 --> 58:04.240
so I'm thinking maybe

58:04.240 --> 58:04.820
I'll do it on a

58:04.820 --> 58:05.600
different day of the

58:05.600 --> 58:05.860
month,

58:05.940 --> 58:06.760
maybe have it as a

58:06.760 --> 58:07.440
separate meeting.

58:07.880 --> 58:09.080
Not sure exactly how

58:09.080 --> 58:09.720
I'm going to do with

58:09.720 --> 58:09.800
it,

58:09.860 --> 58:11.500
but I'm ready to

58:11.500 --> 58:12.340
finally start pushing

58:12.340 --> 58:12.780
this,

58:13.500 --> 58:15.520
and having anybody

58:15.520 --> 58:16.140
who's interested,

58:16.340 --> 58:17.300
and if you really

58:17.300 --> 58:17.840
want to take the

58:17.840 --> 58:18.200
initiative,

58:18.560 --> 58:19.460
of starting some

58:19.460 --> 58:20.200
BinRev meetings

58:20.200 --> 58:20.720
out there.

58:21.420 --> 58:21.840
And again,

58:21.920 --> 58:23.340
you can co-list them

58:23.340 --> 58:24.640
as 2600 meetings as

58:24.640 --> 58:24.960
well,

58:25.020 --> 58:25.480
or whatever,

58:25.640 --> 58:26.520
just a hacker meeting,

58:26.580 --> 58:27.140
it doesn't really

58:27.140 --> 58:27.920
matter what you call

58:27.920 --> 58:28.120
it,

58:28.480 --> 58:29.320
but what I want to do

58:29.320 --> 58:29.960
is I'm going to put

58:29.960 --> 58:30.660
up some rules,

58:30.800 --> 58:31.420
I'm going to put up

58:31.420 --> 58:32.100
some ideas,

58:32.240 --> 58:32.920
some suggestions,

58:33.780 --> 58:35.120
I'll be glad to work

58:35.120 --> 58:36.160
with meetings to do

58:36.160 --> 58:37.200
maybe some recordings,

58:37.440 --> 58:38.400
or do some shows,

58:38.520 --> 58:39.560
or calls around the

58:39.560 --> 58:40.240
meetings to help,

58:40.720 --> 58:40.960
you know,

58:41.020 --> 58:41.580
get them started,

58:41.700 --> 58:42.920
some special incentives

58:42.920 --> 58:43.420
or something,

58:43.540 --> 58:44.280
maybe we'll give some

58:44.280 --> 58:44.740
prizes,

58:45.040 --> 58:47.260
or some information on

58:47.260 --> 58:48.080
the radio show,

58:48.200 --> 58:48.540
etc.,

58:48.540 --> 58:48.960
etc.,

58:48.960 --> 58:49.640
the magazine,

58:50.220 --> 58:50.600
I don't know,

58:50.700 --> 58:51.460
I'm going to start

58:51.460 --> 58:52.240
brainstorming and

58:52.240 --> 58:52.880
coming up with some

58:52.880 --> 58:53.320
ideas,

58:53.500 --> 58:54.420
and really push this

58:54.420 --> 58:54.820
forward,

58:55.280 --> 58:56.000
give people some

58:56.000 --> 58:56.680
web space,

58:56.760 --> 58:57.500
and let them host it

58:57.500 --> 58:58.140
on our site,

58:58.800 --> 59:00.000
give them access to be

59:00.000 --> 59:00.620
able to put their

59:00.620 --> 59:01.440
pictures and their

59:01.440 --> 59:02.040
presentations,

59:02.360 --> 59:03.280
and have them access

59:03.280 --> 59:04.780
a website where they

59:04.780 --> 59:05.360
don't have to worry

59:05.360 --> 59:06.040
about hosting or

59:06.040 --> 59:06.280
anything,

59:06.400 --> 59:06.980
we'll take care of

59:06.980 --> 59:07.420
all that,

59:08.100 --> 59:08.860
all this kind of

59:08.860 --> 59:09.080
stuff,

59:09.140 --> 59:09.840
I'm finally going to

59:09.840 --> 59:10.440
try to put this

59:10.440 --> 59:11.620
together in the next,

59:11.920 --> 59:12.800
don't rush me,

59:12.840 --> 59:13.380
it's going to be,

59:13.840 --> 59:14.380
it's going to take me

59:14.380 --> 59:15.040
a couple months to

59:15.040 --> 59:15.640
get this together,

59:15.740 --> 59:16.660
just because there's

59:16.660 --> 59:17.540
really a lot of

59:17.540 --> 59:18.760
organizational work to

59:18.760 --> 59:19.440
be done with it,

59:19.460 --> 59:20.280
there's not a lot of

59:20.280 --> 59:21.120
technical work to be

59:21.120 --> 59:21.600
done with it,

59:22.320 --> 59:23.960
so I'm going to try

59:23.960 --> 59:24.440
to do this,

59:24.500 --> 59:25.160
now if anybody's

59:25.160 --> 59:25.480
interested,

59:25.840 --> 59:26.800
you know the email

59:26.800 --> 59:27.200
address,

59:27.320 --> 59:27.720
radio at

59:27.720 --> 59:28.740
binrev.com,

59:28.740 --> 59:30.560
and we'll probably

59:30.560 --> 59:31.280
make a special

59:31.280 --> 59:32.080
address for meetings

59:32.080 --> 59:32.760
or something like

59:32.760 --> 59:33.080
that,

59:33.700 --> 59:34.660
but for now,

59:34.740 --> 59:35.820
radio at binrev.com

59:35.820 --> 59:36.560
and let me know

59:36.560 --> 59:37.840
and I will put up

59:37.840 --> 59:39.280
information soon

59:39.280 --> 59:40.160
and announce it on

59:40.160 --> 59:42.180
the show soon as

59:42.180 --> 59:42.920
well.

59:44.260 --> 59:45.080
If I could just

59:45.080 --> 59:45.560
make a quick

59:45.560 --> 59:46.100
suggestion,

59:46.380 --> 59:46.860
if you're going to

59:46.860 --> 59:48.000
have any type of

59:48.000 --> 59:48.340
meeting,

59:48.720 --> 59:49.680
wherever you are,

59:49.760 --> 59:50.380
I don't care if

59:50.380 --> 59:51.700
it's 100,000 miles

59:51.700 --> 59:52.380
away from me,

59:52.820 --> 59:54.200
please just don't do

59:54.200 --> 59:55.260
it on Friday at

59:55.260 --> 59:56.000
5 p.m.,

59:56.000 --> 59:56.800
it is the worst

59:56.800 --> 59:58.080
time ever to have

59:58.080 --> 59:58.420
a meeting.

59:58.780 --> 59:59.000
Yeah,

59:59.260 --> 01:00:00.560
like a Saturday,

01:00:00.860 --> 01:00:01.620
the DEFCON meeting

01:00:01.620 --> 01:00:02.220
works out really

01:00:02.220 --> 01:00:02.560
well.

01:00:03.340 --> 01:00:04.100
Even Friday,

01:00:04.240 --> 01:00:04.840
a little bit later

01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:05.140
on,

01:00:05.240 --> 01:00:06.060
just Friday when

01:00:06.060 --> 01:00:06.660
everybody wants to

01:00:06.660 --> 01:00:07.180
get out of work

01:00:07.180 --> 01:00:08.260
to go enjoy their

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:08.640
weekend,

01:00:09.080 --> 01:00:10.240
the exact second

01:00:10.240 --> 01:00:11.140
that work lets out

01:00:11.140 --> 01:00:11.680
for the majority

01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:12.200
of people,

01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:13.700
why would you have

01:00:13.700 --> 01:00:14.940
a meeting at that

01:00:14.940 --> 01:00:15.260
time?

01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:15.680
Well,

01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:17.080
technically it starts,

01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:18.460
I think it's 6,

01:00:19.240 --> 01:00:20.180
but most of them

01:00:20.180 --> 01:00:21.220
just say right after

01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:21.540
work,

01:00:21.640 --> 01:00:23.240
so a lot of people

01:00:23.240 --> 01:00:23.740
don't show up to

01:00:23.740 --> 01:00:24.220
our meeting until

01:00:24.220 --> 01:00:24.820
like 7,

01:00:24.940 --> 01:00:25.580
7.30,

01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:26.320
8 o'clock when

01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:26.600
they're getting

01:00:26.600 --> 01:00:27.120
out of work

01:00:27.120 --> 01:00:28.460
or after they've

01:00:28.460 --> 01:00:28.680
eaten,

01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:29.260
had supper,

01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:29.700
and then they

01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:30.140
come to the

01:00:30.140 --> 01:00:30.360
meeting,

01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:32.240
so it's like a

01:00:32.240 --> 01:00:33.060
rigid requirement

01:00:33.060 --> 01:00:33.700
that it starts

01:00:33.700 --> 01:00:34.600
exactly at 5.

01:00:35.860 --> 01:00:36.180
No,

01:00:36.260 --> 01:00:36.580
I know,

01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:38.400
but most of the

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:39.000
meetings I've seen

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:40.040
are Friday at

01:00:40.040 --> 01:00:40.540
5 p.m.,

01:00:40.540 --> 01:00:41.380
and I just don't

01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:41.780
know why.

01:00:41.860 --> 01:00:42.220
I think it's

01:00:42.220 --> 01:00:42.820
really annoying,

01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:43.600
and I think for

01:00:43.600 --> 01:00:45.560
the younger people

01:00:45.560 --> 01:00:46.000
who are in the

01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:46.920
scene who may not

01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:47.540
be working yet,

01:00:47.600 --> 01:00:47.980
and they may be in

01:00:47.980 --> 01:00:48.480
high school or

01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:49.200
something like that,

01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:50.000
they can get to

01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.420
the meetings at

01:00:50.420 --> 01:00:50.900
5 o'clock,

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:51.460
and if they get

01:00:51.460 --> 01:00:52.720
there at 5 and

01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:53.320
nobody's there

01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:54.000
because everybody's

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:54.580
just getting out of

01:00:54.580 --> 01:00:54.840
work,

01:00:55.300 --> 01:00:55.860
they might be

01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:56.440
discouraged to

01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:56.900
coming back,

01:00:56.940 --> 01:00:57.300
and your meeting

01:00:57.300 --> 01:00:57.920
may not take

01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.180
off.

01:00:58.260 --> 01:00:58.560
So if you're

01:00:58.560 --> 01:00:58.920
going to start

01:00:58.920 --> 01:00:59.240
a meeting,

01:00:59.620 --> 01:01:00.160
make it at a

01:01:00.160 --> 01:01:01.600
time that makes

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:02.020
a little more

01:01:02.020 --> 01:01:02.540
sense on a

01:01:02.540 --> 01:01:03.780
weekend or Friday

01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:04.400
a little later on

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:04.720
in the night,

01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:05.360
just make sure you

01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:05.820
don't put it at

01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:07.100
Friday at 5 p.m.

01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:07.960
That's just

01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:08.260
annoying.

01:01:08.660 --> 01:01:08.980
Yeah,

01:01:08.980 --> 01:01:09.580
and like I said,

01:01:09.660 --> 01:01:10.300
that's why it's

01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:11.060
such a pain for me

01:01:11.060 --> 01:01:11.880
to go in rush hour

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:13.600
traffic down the

01:01:13.600 --> 01:01:14.840
highway to Miami.

01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:15.260
I mean,

01:01:15.580 --> 01:01:16.120
trust me,

01:01:16.160 --> 01:01:17.080
95 South,

01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:18.400
that ain't no joke.

01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:21.100
So I agree

01:01:21.100 --> 01:01:21.540
completely.

01:01:22.520 --> 01:01:22.880
Word.

01:01:23.340 --> 01:01:23.820
All right,

01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:25.220
your turn.

01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:25.620
Why don't you

01:01:25.620 --> 01:01:26.040
read an email?

01:01:26.180 --> 01:01:26.640
How about

01:01:26.640 --> 01:01:28.700
email from

01:01:28.700 --> 01:01:30.060
unknown entity

01:01:30.060 --> 01:01:30.500
here?

01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:31.580
Yeah,

01:01:31.600 --> 01:01:31.920
sure.

01:01:33.660 --> 01:01:34.020
Greetings,

01:01:34.340 --> 01:01:35.060
stank dog,

01:01:35.180 --> 01:01:35.980
and co-host.

01:01:36.220 --> 01:01:36.820
I guess that'd be

01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:37.000
me.

01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.160
I'm a big fan of

01:01:38.160 --> 01:01:38.480
the show,

01:01:38.580 --> 01:01:39.000
but I've kind of

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:39.680
been taking a break

01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:40.380
from the hack freak

01:01:40.380 --> 01:01:41.140
community over the

01:01:41.140 --> 01:01:41.900
last year or so.

01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:42.620
I'm just getting back

01:01:42.620 --> 01:01:43.460
into the scene now,

01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:44.200
and I have a few

01:01:44.200 --> 01:01:45.160
projects I've completed

01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:46.020
during my absence

01:01:46.020 --> 01:01:46.620
that I'd like to

01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:47.600
release an article on.

01:01:48.080 --> 01:01:48.480
They're both

01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:49.580
electronics fabrication

01:01:49.580 --> 01:01:50.380
type projects.

01:01:50.380 --> 01:01:51.400
I would like to

01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:51.840
hear any helpful

01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.500
suggestions you

01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.000
may have for

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:53.300
writing a

01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:54.080
professional article

01:01:54.080 --> 01:01:54.720
for a quarterly

01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:55.660
or monthly magazine.

01:01:56.200 --> 01:01:56.560
I've worked on

01:01:56.560 --> 01:01:56.940
a couple of

01:01:56.940 --> 01:01:57.700
small text files

01:01:57.700 --> 01:01:58.060
before,

01:01:58.180 --> 01:01:58.520
but nothing

01:01:58.520 --> 01:01:59.100
really worthy

01:01:59.100 --> 01:01:59.720
of publication

01:01:59.720 --> 01:02:00.300
in a zine.

01:02:00.700 --> 01:02:01.240
Any suggestions

01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:01.780
as far as

01:02:01.780 --> 01:02:02.380
format for the

01:02:02.380 --> 01:02:03.060
actual document,

01:02:03.240 --> 01:02:03.920
use of pictures,

01:02:04.040 --> 01:02:04.360
et cetera,

01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:05.000
would really help

01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:05.340
me out.

01:02:05.860 --> 01:02:06.480
By the way,

01:02:06.600 --> 01:02:06.920
I,

01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:07.620
a known entity,

01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:09.280
prefers Dr.

01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:10.040
Pepper over the

01:02:10.040 --> 01:02:10.380
black,

01:02:10.620 --> 01:02:11.640
foul-tasting fluid

01:02:11.640 --> 01:02:12.580
known as Coca-Cola.

01:02:12.820 --> 01:02:13.000
Now,

01:02:13.100 --> 01:02:13.780
I just got to tell

01:02:13.780 --> 01:02:14.360
you right now,

01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:15.300
Coca-Cola

01:02:15.300 --> 01:02:16.480
pwns everybody.

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:16.800
Oh,

01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:17.760
no,

01:02:18.180 --> 01:02:19.140
you are so,

01:02:19.660 --> 01:02:21.120
so wrong.

01:02:21.780 --> 01:02:22.400
Dr. Pepper

01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:23.680
pwns Coca-Cola

01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:24.380
without even

01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:25.880
breaking a sweat.

01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:27.020
No,

01:02:27.120 --> 01:02:27.400
you see,

01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:27.960
the thing is,

01:02:28.600 --> 01:02:29.860
as far as the

01:02:29.860 --> 01:02:30.500
Dr. Pepper

01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:31.560
versus Coca-Cola

01:02:31.560 --> 01:02:32.440
argument goes,

01:02:32.660 --> 01:02:33.120
I didn't know

01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:33.760
there was one.

01:02:33.860 --> 01:02:34.060
To me,

01:02:34.100 --> 01:02:34.440
they're totally

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:35.160
different drinks,

01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:35.840
so they don't

01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:36.760
compete at all.

01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:38.000
All soft drinks

01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:38.580
are competitors

01:02:38.580 --> 01:02:39.280
with each other.

01:02:40.720 --> 01:02:41.020
No,

01:02:41.060 --> 01:02:41.580
I don't think so.

01:02:41.660 --> 01:02:42.180
Dr. Pepper

01:02:42.180 --> 01:02:43.080
is a whole

01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:43.700
different bird.

01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:44.000
Like,

01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:45.120
Coke and Pepsi,

01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:46.000
they compete.

01:02:46.100 --> 01:02:46.620
I don't know how

01:02:46.620 --> 01:02:47.120
because Pepsi

01:02:47.120 --> 01:02:47.960
sucks so bad

01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:48.420
I can't even

01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:48.820
drink it.

01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:49.060
Oh,

01:02:49.120 --> 01:02:49.420
man.

01:02:49.420 --> 01:02:49.780
But they

01:02:49.780 --> 01:02:50.620
technically compete

01:02:50.620 --> 01:02:51.020
because they're

01:02:51.020 --> 01:02:51.680
both Colas.

01:03:01.200 --> 01:03:02.480
I get Coke.

01:03:02.600 --> 01:03:03.080
If I want

01:03:03.080 --> 01:03:03.600
something that

01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:04.120
tastes different

01:03:04.120 --> 01:03:04.820
than everything else,

01:03:04.900 --> 01:03:05.660
I get Dr. Pepper.

01:03:05.940 --> 01:03:06.520
If I want

01:03:06.520 --> 01:03:07.140
cream soda,

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:08.140
I get Boylan's.

01:03:08.140 --> 01:03:08.800
If I want

01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:09.420
root beer,

01:03:09.560 --> 01:03:09.940
I get,

01:03:09.980 --> 01:03:10.420
you know,

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:10.980
A&W,

01:03:11.120 --> 01:03:11.740
something like that.

01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:12.740
So you're

01:03:12.740 --> 01:03:13.320
thinking like

01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:14.180
Sprite versus

01:03:14.180 --> 01:03:14.780
Mountain Dew

01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:15.340
would be

01:03:15.340 --> 01:03:16.660
closer competitors.

01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:18.960
Sprite versus

01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:19.440
7-Up.

01:03:19.640 --> 01:03:20.120
Yeah,

01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:20.620
7-Up.

01:03:20.620 --> 01:03:20.760
Those guys are

01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.100
competing.

01:03:23.180 --> 01:03:23.980
Mountain Dew

01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:24.400
versus,

01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.120
I don't know,

01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:26.880
Slice?

01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:27.560
I don't know

01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:28.260
what competes

01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:28.820
against Mountain Dew,

01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:29.100
really.

01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:31.300
Sierra Mist?

01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:31.500
Yeah,

01:03:31.620 --> 01:03:32.020
Colas.

01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:32.660
Like,

01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:33.480
Boylan's and

01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:33.940
Stewart's,

01:03:33.940 --> 01:03:34.400
they make

01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.380
cola and

01:03:35.380 --> 01:03:35.920
root beer

01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:36.560
and cream

01:03:36.560 --> 01:03:37.380
soda and,

01:03:37.460 --> 01:03:37.860
you know,

01:03:38.460 --> 01:03:39.280
cherries and

01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:39.820
cream soda

01:03:39.820 --> 01:03:40.220
and all that

01:03:40.220 --> 01:03:40.680
kind of stuff.

01:03:40.680 --> 01:03:41.440
They compete

01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:41.840
against each

01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:42.260
other in each

01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:42.840
different flavor,

01:03:43.240 --> 01:03:43.800
but I would

01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:44.320
never say that

01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:45.240
cream soda competes

01:03:45.240 --> 01:03:45.900
against root beer

01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:47.080
because I'd rather

01:03:47.080 --> 01:03:47.740
drink cream soda

01:03:47.740 --> 01:03:48.480
any day of the week.

01:03:48.640 --> 01:03:49.440
I swear to God,

01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:50.160
I have no idea

01:03:50.160 --> 01:03:50.980
how we've spent

01:03:50.980 --> 01:03:51.660
so much time

01:03:51.660 --> 01:03:52.200
talking about

01:03:52.200 --> 01:03:52.780
soft drinks

01:03:52.780 --> 01:03:53.500
and a hacking show.

01:03:53.560 --> 01:03:54.120
I never,

01:03:54.620 --> 01:03:55.320
ever would have

01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:55.740
predicted.

01:03:56.740 --> 01:03:56.980
Hey,

01:03:57.200 --> 01:03:57.680
I'm just,

01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:58.100
you know,

01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:58.940
I know,

01:03:59.060 --> 01:03:59.300
but have you

01:03:59.300 --> 01:03:59.780
been listening?

01:03:59.780 --> 01:04:00.540
Lay down the law

01:04:00.540 --> 01:04:00.820
here.

01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:01.340
Have you been

01:04:01.340 --> 01:04:02.140
listening to the show

01:04:02.140 --> 01:04:02.840
for like the past

01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:03.500
couple months?

01:04:03.500 --> 01:04:04.760
I mention it

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:05.500
in passing

01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:06.400
as a joke

01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:07.400
and somehow

01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:08.420
it's become like

01:04:08.420 --> 01:04:09.580
the most popular

01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:10.600
topic ever

01:04:10.600 --> 01:04:11.500
on the show.

01:04:12.200 --> 01:04:13.120
It's bizarre.

01:04:14.700 --> 01:04:15.000
Oh,

01:04:15.220 --> 01:04:15.980
but Dr. Pepper

01:04:15.980 --> 01:04:16.360
pones.

01:04:17.240 --> 01:04:17.520
Anyway.

01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:18.340
Dr. Pepper is good

01:04:18.340 --> 01:04:18.620
stuff.

01:04:18.740 --> 01:04:18.860
Yeah,

01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.180
definitely.

01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:19.900
Definitely good

01:04:19.900 --> 01:04:20.100
stuff.

01:04:21.380 --> 01:04:21.820
Okay,

01:04:22.100 --> 01:04:22.760
let's see,

01:04:22.820 --> 01:04:23.320
back to the email.

01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:23.960
Unknown Entity,

01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:24.860
I actually remember

01:04:24.860 --> 01:04:25.660
Unknown Entity.

01:04:25.780 --> 01:04:26.220
He was on the

01:04:26.220 --> 01:04:26.980
forums a while back

01:04:26.980 --> 01:04:28.560
and we had spoken

01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:29.540
back then

01:04:29.540 --> 01:04:30.860
and I still am

01:04:30.860 --> 01:04:31.400
very interested

01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:32.020
in the articles

01:04:32.020 --> 01:04:32.820
and I said it

01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:33.180
back then

01:04:33.180 --> 01:04:33.880
and I still am

01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.640
that I'd like

01:04:35.640 --> 01:04:36.580
to have a regular

01:04:36.580 --> 01:04:37.720
electronic section

01:04:37.720 --> 01:04:39.620
in Binary Revolution

01:04:39.620 --> 01:04:40.080
Magazine.

01:04:40.260 --> 01:04:40.980
I've always thought

01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:41.340
that would be

01:04:41.340 --> 01:04:41.920
a cool thing

01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.640
but it's hard

01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:44.160
enough to find

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:45.000
hacking articles.

01:04:45.140 --> 01:04:45.740
It's even harder

01:04:45.740 --> 01:04:46.660
to find electronics

01:04:46.660 --> 01:04:47.080
articles.

01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:47.960
It really is.

01:04:48.580 --> 01:04:48.980
Definitely.

01:04:49.160 --> 01:04:49.400
So,

01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:52.020
on a side note,

01:04:52.140 --> 01:04:52.760
I've actually been

01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:53.400
studying some

01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:54.140
electronic stuff

01:04:54.140 --> 01:04:54.920
myself lately.

01:04:55.340 --> 01:04:55.940
I went to

01:04:55.940 --> 01:04:56.560
Rat Shack

01:04:56.560 --> 01:04:58.040
and bought one

01:04:58.040 --> 01:04:58.280
of those

01:04:58.280 --> 01:04:59.000
Teach Yourself

01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:59.980
Electronics at Home

01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:01.500
kits and it's got

01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:02.440
like little buzzers

01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:03.120
and sirens

01:05:03.120 --> 01:05:04.000
and stuff on it

01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:04.620
and the breadboard

01:05:04.620 --> 01:05:05.100
in the middle

01:05:05.100 --> 01:05:06.220
and a little book

01:05:06.220 --> 01:05:06.680
to follow

01:05:06.680 --> 01:05:07.260
and make your own

01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:08.100
products and stuff,

01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:09.000
projects and stuff.

01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:10.200
Nah,

01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:10.980
that shit don't work.

01:05:12.180 --> 01:05:12.860
It doesn't work.

01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:14.240
If you want to learn

01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:14.720
electronics,

01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:15.220
you've got to go

01:05:15.220 --> 01:05:15.660
to the bookstore

01:05:15.660 --> 01:05:16.220
and you've got to

01:05:16.220 --> 01:05:16.900
find like a real

01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:17.880
thick book that's

01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:18.080
like,

01:05:18.200 --> 01:05:19.160
not electronics

01:05:19.160 --> 01:05:19.660
for dummies

01:05:19.660 --> 01:05:21.820
but basic electronics,

01:05:22.020 --> 01:05:22.700
something like that.

01:05:22.740 --> 01:05:22.980
You've got to

01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:23.660
find something like that

01:05:23.660 --> 01:05:24.260
and be willing to

01:05:24.260 --> 01:05:25.580
sit down for a long

01:05:25.580 --> 01:05:26.620
time to figure it out.

01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:26.820
Yeah,

01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.380
but I need the hardware.

01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:29.380
I want to see

01:05:29.380 --> 01:05:30.140
what I'm learning.

01:05:30.260 --> 01:05:30.900
I need to have it

01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:31.480
visualized.

01:05:31.540 --> 01:05:32.040
That's why I bought

01:05:32.040 --> 01:05:32.600
this kit.

01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:33.680
It's not so much

01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:34.220
the book.

01:05:34.300 --> 01:05:34.440
Well,

01:05:34.460 --> 01:05:35.120
the book is pretty

01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:35.560
lame.

01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:36.300
It's just a bunch

01:05:36.300 --> 01:05:37.100
of projects that

01:05:37.100 --> 01:05:37.980
they just give you

01:05:37.980 --> 01:05:39.100
how-to directions.

01:05:39.220 --> 01:05:39.840
It doesn't explain

01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:40.360
very well.

01:05:41.220 --> 01:05:42.100
But the actual

01:05:42.100 --> 01:05:42.520
device,

01:05:42.580 --> 01:05:43.040
I can't get it

01:05:43.040 --> 01:05:43.360
to work

01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:43.840
and at first

01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:44.300
I thought,

01:05:44.620 --> 01:05:44.840
you know,

01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:45.420
I'm a noob

01:05:45.420 --> 01:05:46.240
and I did it wrong

01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:47.260
but I checked

01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:48.080
and triple-checked

01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:48.480
and I've got

01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:49.500
everything set up

01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:49.800
right.

01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:50.420
I've got all the

01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:51.080
wires connected,

01:05:51.180 --> 01:05:51.820
all the voltage.

01:05:52.540 --> 01:05:53.480
It's just broken.

01:05:53.640 --> 01:05:54.180
It's just a piece

01:05:54.180 --> 01:05:54.740
of junk.

01:05:55.540 --> 01:05:56.180
This is the first

01:05:56.180 --> 01:05:56.560
time...

01:05:56.560 --> 01:05:56.960
Okay, Mr. Stankdog,

01:05:57.080 --> 01:05:58.120
is the power switch

01:05:58.120 --> 01:05:59.180
on to your computer?

01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:00.460
The batteries are

01:06:00.460 --> 01:06:01.080
in there.

01:06:01.780 --> 01:06:02.840
It's a little thing,

01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:03.440
it's a little,

01:06:03.640 --> 01:06:03.960
like,

01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:05.160
it's as big as a

01:06:05.160 --> 01:06:05.420
laptop,

01:06:05.620 --> 01:06:06.180
a little bit bigger

01:06:06.180 --> 01:06:07.160
and you put the

01:06:07.160 --> 01:06:07.780
batteries in there

01:06:07.780 --> 01:06:08.440
to give it power

01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:09.820
and I know the

01:06:09.820 --> 01:06:10.520
thing's all hooked

01:06:10.520 --> 01:06:11.380
up right and it's

01:06:11.380 --> 01:06:11.900
just not.

01:06:12.580 --> 01:06:13.340
This is the first

01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:13.940
thing I've bought

01:06:13.940 --> 01:06:14.840
from Rat Shack

01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:16.340
in probably five

01:06:16.340 --> 01:06:18.580
years and hopefully

01:06:18.580 --> 01:06:19.020
it'll be another

01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:19.880
five years because

01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:21.080
they suck.

01:06:21.220 --> 01:06:22.040
It's a piece of

01:06:22.040 --> 01:06:23.960
garbage and I have

01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:24.820
to take it back

01:06:24.820 --> 01:06:25.580
and it's a hassle

01:06:25.580 --> 01:06:26.360
of going back in

01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:26.960
there for that

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:27.700
and arguing with

01:06:27.700 --> 01:06:28.240
them to return

01:06:28.240 --> 01:06:28.820
anything,

01:06:29.620 --> 01:06:30.460
especially down

01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:30.720
here.

01:06:31.860 --> 01:06:32.740
I was just

01:06:32.740 --> 01:06:32.960
thinking,

01:06:33.160 --> 01:06:34.040
you're the one

01:06:34.040 --> 01:06:34.360
who's always

01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:34.820
talking about

01:06:34.820 --> 01:06:35.280
education.

01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:35.640
Do you have a

01:06:35.640 --> 01:06:36.260
community college

01:06:36.260 --> 01:06:36.840
in your area

01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:38.100
that maybe has

01:06:38.100 --> 01:06:38.580
an electronics

01:06:38.580 --> 01:06:38.980
class?

01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:42.660
They have

01:06:42.660 --> 01:06:43.680
prerequisites for

01:06:43.680 --> 01:06:44.580
the damn class

01:06:44.580 --> 01:06:45.180
that I want.

01:06:45.560 --> 01:06:46.160
I don't need to

01:06:46.160 --> 01:06:46.640
take, like,

01:06:46.860 --> 01:06:48.820
basic...

01:06:48.820 --> 01:06:49.920
The way they

01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:50.580
break the classes

01:06:50.580 --> 01:06:51.500
down is weird.

01:06:52.460 --> 01:06:53.320
I can't get into

01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:53.920
the electronics

01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:54.800
classes of the

01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:55.500
stuff that I want

01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:56.160
to learn without

01:06:56.160 --> 01:06:57.460
joining the program

01:06:57.460 --> 01:06:58.300
and taking a bunch

01:06:58.300 --> 01:06:59.280
of silly prerequisite

01:06:59.280 --> 01:06:59.740
stuff.

01:07:00.820 --> 01:07:01.600
If you're in it,

01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:02.540
it's not silly if

01:07:02.540 --> 01:07:02.920
you're actually

01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:03.580
pursuing it,

01:07:03.820 --> 01:07:04.420
but for somebody

01:07:04.420 --> 01:07:05.320
like me,

01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:06.220
I just want to

01:07:06.220 --> 01:07:07.180
learn how to sit

01:07:07.180 --> 01:07:07.860
down with a bread

01:07:07.860 --> 01:07:08.640
board and connect

01:07:08.640 --> 01:07:09.080
things.

01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:10.660
I want to be

01:07:10.660 --> 01:07:11.120
able to take

01:07:11.120 --> 01:07:11.980
a PCI card,

01:07:12.120 --> 01:07:12.580
put it in my

01:07:12.580 --> 01:07:13.020
computer,

01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:14.500
interface with a

01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:15.180
microcontroller,

01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:16.660
and make a

01:07:16.660 --> 01:07:17.400
fucking LED

01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:18.500
blink my name

01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:18.940
or something

01:07:18.940 --> 01:07:19.640
stupid like

01:07:19.640 --> 01:07:19.940
that,

01:07:20.040 --> 01:07:21.660
or put together

01:07:21.660 --> 01:07:22.780
my own AMFM

01:07:22.780 --> 01:07:23.940
radio PCI card.

01:07:24.020 --> 01:07:24.600
I know I can

01:07:24.600 --> 01:07:25.040
buy it,

01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:25.520
but I want to

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:26.360
learn how to

01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:27.240
do that type

01:07:27.240 --> 01:07:27.740
of stuff.

01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:29.180
Well, as far

01:07:29.180 --> 01:07:30.060
as PCI cards

01:07:30.060 --> 01:07:30.440
go, I don't

01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:30.820
know that I

01:07:30.820 --> 01:07:32.800
would go that

01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:32.980
route.

01:07:33.120 --> 01:07:33.920
That stuff is

01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:34.420
not easy.

01:07:34.560 --> 01:07:35.200
I'm just making

01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:36.900
up an example.

01:07:37.040 --> 01:07:37.460
There's a lot

01:07:37.460 --> 01:07:37.840
of other,

01:07:37.940 --> 01:07:38.260
you know,

01:07:39.380 --> 01:07:40.220
I just want to

01:07:40.220 --> 01:07:40.880
learn how

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:42.300
resistors and

01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:42.880
capacitors.

01:07:42.980 --> 01:07:44.920
I hesitate to

01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:45.180
do it.

01:07:45.240 --> 01:07:45.600
I'm actually

01:07:45.600 --> 01:07:46.160
working on a

01:07:46.160 --> 01:07:48.020
project for a

01:07:48.020 --> 01:07:48.640
customer of mine

01:07:48.640 --> 01:07:49.120
right now,

01:07:49.220 --> 01:07:49.640
and I'm using

01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:50.620
something called

01:07:50.620 --> 01:07:51.160
the Export.

01:07:52.080 --> 01:07:52.600
It's by a

01:07:52.600 --> 01:07:53.140
company called

01:07:53.140 --> 01:07:53.700
Lantronics.

01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:54.660
Their website is

01:07:54.660 --> 01:07:56.260
not Lantronics.com.

01:07:56.540 --> 01:07:57.360
I have absolutely

01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:58.400
no idea what it

01:07:58.400 --> 01:07:58.660
is.

01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.620
It's not the same

01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:02.460
Lantronics that

01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:02.940
makes the

01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:05.960
printer, what

01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:06.280
do they call

01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:06.780
those network

01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:07.520
printer cards?

01:08:09.120 --> 01:08:09.860
Oh, you know

01:08:09.860 --> 01:08:10.060
what?

01:08:10.140 --> 01:08:10.660
No, it's spelled

01:08:10.660 --> 01:08:10.960
differently.

01:08:11.240 --> 01:08:12.280
It's Lantronics.

01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:13.300
It's I-X.

01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:14.160
So maybe their

01:08:14.160 --> 01:08:14.720
website is

01:08:14.720 --> 01:08:15.760
Lantronics.com.

01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.260
Anyway, they have

01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:19.760
this product called

01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.500
the Export, and

01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:22.700
it's basically, it's

01:08:22.700 --> 01:08:24.340
the size, it's an

01:08:24.340 --> 01:08:26.640
Ethernet jack that's

01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.820
maybe an inch and a

01:08:28.820 --> 01:08:30.820
half deep, and it

01:08:30.820 --> 01:08:31.820
has, I don't know

01:08:31.820 --> 01:08:32.360
if you're going to

01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:33.500
believe me on this

01:08:33.500 --> 01:08:35.100
or not, but in that

01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:35.880
inch and a half deep

01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:36.960
Ethernet jack, it has

01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:40.160
a 486 processor, it

01:08:40.160 --> 01:08:42.200
has 512K of RAM, and

01:08:42.200 --> 01:08:44.140
512K of flash, and

01:08:44.140 --> 01:08:44.600
if you buy the

01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:45.400
developer kit, it's

01:08:45.400 --> 01:08:46.360
like 150 bucks.

01:08:46.940 --> 01:08:48.080
You can program this

01:08:48.080 --> 01:08:50.960
thing in C, and it's

01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:51.760
got some jumpers on

01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:52.480
it that you can use

01:08:52.480 --> 01:08:53.460
for I.O.

01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:54.280
pins and stuff like

01:08:54.280 --> 01:08:54.820
that, and you can

01:08:54.820 --> 01:08:56.040
hook LEDs up to it

01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:57.240
and blink and do

01:08:57.240 --> 01:08:57.660
all that kind of

01:08:57.660 --> 01:08:58.680
stuff, and interface

01:08:58.680 --> 01:08:59.280
to your network.

01:08:59.400 --> 01:09:00.060
You can plug it in,

01:09:00.120 --> 01:09:00.560
you can have it

01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:01.500
serving webpages and

01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:02.460
stuff like that, so

01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:03.400
if you want to get

01:09:03.400 --> 01:09:04.420
involved in electronics

01:09:04.420 --> 01:09:05.120
in the sense where you

01:09:05.120 --> 01:09:05.680
want to interface

01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:06.240
with something very

01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:07.340
simple, but you still

01:09:07.340 --> 01:09:07.740
want to be able to

01:09:07.740 --> 01:09:08.840
program it, I think

01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:10.400
the export, if you're

01:09:10.400 --> 01:09:11.160
willing to fumble

01:09:11.160 --> 01:09:11.640
through the

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:12.560
documentation, which

01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:13.260
is kind of lacking,

01:09:13.780 --> 01:09:15.360
is a good choice, but

01:09:15.360 --> 01:09:15.820
if you want to get

01:09:15.820 --> 01:09:16.680
started in real

01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:17.520
electronics from

01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:18.680
scratch, that is a

01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:19.820
whole different beast,

01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:21.040
and that, in my

01:09:21.040 --> 01:09:22.120
mind, electronics is

01:09:22.120 --> 01:09:22.840
way harder than

01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:23.220
programming.

01:09:23.780 --> 01:09:24.180
Yeah.

01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:24.780
By leaps and

01:09:24.780 --> 01:09:24.980
bounds.

01:09:25.160 --> 01:09:26.120
Yeah, me too.

01:09:26.400 --> 01:09:27.100
I agree with that.

01:09:27.120 --> 01:09:27.280
So.

01:09:28.080 --> 01:09:28.420
All right.

01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:29.420
We're running low

01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:29.700
on time.

01:09:29.780 --> 01:09:30.340
We've got a big

01:09:30.340 --> 01:09:31.020
announcement to make

01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:31.820
soon, so we're going

01:09:31.820 --> 01:09:32.400
to burn through these

01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:33.020
last two or three

01:09:33.020 --> 01:09:33.320
emails.

01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:35.920
Just to answer the

01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:36.740
direct question that he

01:09:36.740 --> 01:09:37.220
made about the

01:09:37.220 --> 01:09:39.140
articles, any

01:09:39.140 --> 01:09:40.000
electronics articles,

01:09:40.120 --> 01:09:40.660
you've got to have

01:09:40.660 --> 01:09:42.340
pictures and charts and

01:09:42.340 --> 01:09:43.340
designs and stuff like

01:09:43.340 --> 01:09:43.680
that.

01:09:44.060 --> 01:09:45.060
Very important to go

01:09:45.060 --> 01:09:45.780
along with it because

01:09:45.780 --> 01:09:46.480
you've got to illustrate

01:09:46.480 --> 01:09:47.740
what's going on and how

01:09:47.740 --> 01:09:48.620
and why it's working.

01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:50.380
So you've got to have a lot

01:09:50.380 --> 01:09:51.260
of graphics with it.

01:09:51.300 --> 01:09:51.900
That's one thing I'd

01:09:51.900 --> 01:09:52.200
recommend.

01:09:52.700 --> 01:09:54.100
And not all magazines can

01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:55.320
handle graphics that

01:09:55.320 --> 01:09:56.780
detailed, and if they do,

01:09:57.200 --> 01:09:57.720
they're not going to be

01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:58.720
high-quality pictures, so

01:09:58.720 --> 01:09:59.900
it's going to be grainy and

01:09:59.900 --> 01:10:00.740
it's not going to show up

01:10:00.740 --> 01:10:01.380
very well.

01:10:03.480 --> 01:10:04.740
Another problem is that a

01:10:04.740 --> 01:10:06.020
lot of e-zines or online

01:10:06.020 --> 01:10:08.560
sites or online text files

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:09.320
or something, they only

01:10:09.320 --> 01:10:10.440
allow stuff in plain text.

01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:11.460
They can't support graphics

01:10:11.460 --> 01:10:11.920
at all.

01:10:12.740 --> 01:10:14.020
Or you will have to

01:10:14.020 --> 01:10:14.700
attach your pictures

01:10:14.700 --> 01:10:15.680
separately, and then

01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:16.680
they'll try to edit it

01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:17.820
themselves, and they might

01:10:17.820 --> 01:10:18.700
not put them in the right

01:10:18.700 --> 01:10:19.840
place, and it won't be

01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.560
referenced properly, so

01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:22.460
it's pretty messy.

01:10:23.240 --> 01:10:25.540
We, from day one, have

01:10:25.540 --> 01:10:26.920
been very much into that

01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:27.680
and very much use

01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:28.960
illustrations to enhance

01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:31.260
the articles, so we

01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:32.180
absolutely can handle

01:10:32.180 --> 01:10:32.500
that.

01:10:32.580 --> 01:10:33.980
If you do still want to

01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:34.800
send them to us, of

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:35.540
course, we'd be glad to

01:10:35.540 --> 01:10:36.360
take a look at it.

01:10:37.100 --> 01:10:37.840
Articles at

01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:38.960
binrev.com.

01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:40.720
If you've got to submit

01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:41.900
the actual article itself,

01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:43.840
too, the other thing is

01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:44.580
they can accept just

01:10:44.580 --> 01:10:45.360
plain text files.

01:10:45.480 --> 01:10:46.360
We can accept anything.

01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:47.460
I can, you know, I don't

01:10:47.460 --> 01:10:48.420
know why people limit

01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:50.300
themselves to only send us

01:10:50.300 --> 01:10:50.880
text files.

01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:51.680
That's 2600.

01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:52.580
Anything else might not

01:10:52.580 --> 01:10:52.940
make it.

01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:54.620
We can take anything.

01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.000
I can convert to anything

01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:56.660
from anything.

01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:57.420
I don't know why there's

01:10:57.420 --> 01:10:58.340
any restrictions on

01:10:58.340 --> 01:10:59.360
anything like that.

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.380
So, you want to do an

01:11:01.380 --> 01:11:02.280
open office, you want to

01:11:02.280 --> 01:11:03.260
do it in Microsoft Word,

01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:03.780
whatever.

01:11:04.700 --> 01:11:05.260
You know, I'm sure

01:11:05.260 --> 01:11:05.900
there's some weird,

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:06.900
obscure stuff I may have

01:11:06.900 --> 01:11:07.740
never heard of, but

01:11:07.740 --> 01:11:08.100
whatever.

01:11:08.280 --> 01:11:09.680
Just anything just about

01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:10.240
what you can accept.

01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:11.240
How about Funwriter for

01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:11.900
the PC Junior?

01:11:12.220 --> 01:11:13.240
I can absolutely

01:11:13.240 --> 01:11:14.000
convert from...

01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:14.580
No, I can't.

01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:17.000
Let me just throw in

01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:17.500
one last thing.

01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:17.900
If you're going to

01:11:17.900 --> 01:11:18.980
submit any articles that

01:11:18.980 --> 01:11:20.160
have electronic schematics,

01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:22.260
do it like a professional

01:11:22.260 --> 01:11:23.500
electronics engineer.

01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:25.220
Give a list of test

01:11:25.220 --> 01:11:26.240
points where once

01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:27.060
somebody has built the

01:11:27.060 --> 01:11:27.900
circuit, if it doesn't

01:11:27.900 --> 01:11:28.760
work, you can say,

01:11:29.320 --> 01:11:30.220
you know, test out,

01:11:30.360 --> 01:11:31.380
does this point here

01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:32.640
have, you know, is this

01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:33.900
point here at five volts?

01:11:34.240 --> 01:11:35.100
Is this point here at

01:11:35.100 --> 01:11:35.660
four volts?

01:11:35.660 --> 01:11:36.440
You've got to give

01:11:36.440 --> 01:11:37.240
people away.

01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:38.540
Once they build your

01:11:38.540 --> 01:11:39.220
thing and it doesn't

01:11:39.220 --> 01:11:40.020
work because it happens

01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:40.640
all the time with

01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:42.220
electronics, because people

01:11:42.220 --> 01:11:43.720
miss small things or

01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:44.160
something's not

01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:45.140
soldered correctly, you've

01:11:45.140 --> 01:11:46.700
got to give them away to

01:11:46.700 --> 01:11:48.020
troubleshoot your device if

01:11:48.020 --> 01:11:49.140
it's more complicated than

01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:50.160
like four or five parts

01:11:50.160 --> 01:11:51.020
because otherwise people

01:11:51.020 --> 01:11:51.660
are going to build it,

01:11:52.020 --> 01:11:52.700
it's not going to work,

01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:53.300
they're going to complain

01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:53.880
about it, and they're

01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:54.560
going to get a bad name

01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:54.880
for it.

01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:56.540
So always include test

01:11:56.540 --> 01:11:58.080
points and always include

01:11:58.080 --> 01:11:59.140
some list of things you

01:11:59.140 --> 01:12:00.140
can do to troubleshoot the

01:12:00.140 --> 01:12:00.380
circuit.

01:12:00.380 --> 01:12:02.520
And as you're building

01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.320
the circuit yourself,

01:12:03.420 --> 01:12:03.800
you're going to come

01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:04.980
across a lot of, you're

01:12:04.980 --> 01:12:05.380
going to come across

01:12:05.380 --> 01:12:06.620
problems and you're

01:12:06.620 --> 01:12:07.200
going to come across

01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:08.980
ways to figure out what

01:12:08.980 --> 01:12:09.980
went wrong, you know,

01:12:09.980 --> 01:12:10.760
as you build a couple of

01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:11.140
these things.

01:12:11.200 --> 01:12:11.900
So you're going to have a

01:12:11.900 --> 01:12:12.880
list for yourself, so

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:13.700
just include that list

01:12:13.700 --> 01:12:14.700
with the article, you

01:12:14.700 --> 01:12:15.560
make everybody's life a

01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:16.360
million times easier.

01:12:17.120 --> 01:12:18.380
Very good advice, very

01:12:18.380 --> 01:12:18.920
good advice.

01:12:19.440 --> 01:12:20.540
Okay, let's jump to a

01:12:20.540 --> 01:12:21.440
couple emails here, I'm

01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:21.900
going to read these

01:12:21.900 --> 01:12:22.440
quickly.

01:12:23.220 --> 01:12:24.860
Next email is from

01:12:24.860 --> 01:12:28.040
five is six is what I'm

01:12:28.040 --> 01:12:28.980
going with on this one,

01:12:29.060 --> 01:12:29.320
is that?

01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:31.280
Yeah, I agree.

01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:33.820
Five is six, I think is

01:12:33.820 --> 01:12:34.900
five is six, six?

01:12:36.040 --> 01:12:37.140
No, I think it's five is

01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:37.560
six.

01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:38.380
Five is six, that's

01:12:38.380 --> 01:12:38.880
what I'm going with.

01:12:39.400 --> 01:12:40.560
Stank Dizzle, thanks for

01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:41.620
being an occasional yet

01:12:41.620 --> 01:12:43.020
essential ingredient in

01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:44.480
my fix for internet radio

01:12:44.480 --> 01:12:45.160
addiction.

01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:48.080
I was recently pulled

01:12:48.080 --> 01:12:49.040
over here in sunny

01:12:49.040 --> 01:12:50.140
California and had heard

01:12:50.140 --> 01:12:50.960
of the concept of

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:51.860
challenging the offer

01:12:51.860 --> 01:12:52.660
and operation by

01:12:52.660 --> 01:12:53.480
requesting to see his

01:12:53.480 --> 01:12:53.700
radar.

01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:55.220
So I naturally demanded

01:12:55.220 --> 01:12:57.340
the evidence to which I

01:12:57.340 --> 01:12:58.860
was replied, quote, I

01:12:58.860 --> 01:12:59.760
didn't punch it.

01:13:00.380 --> 01:13:01.860
Perhaps punching it, as I

01:13:01.860 --> 01:13:03.540
heard, was just another

01:13:03.540 --> 01:13:04.900
lucky soprano, but I

01:13:04.900 --> 01:13:06.680
assumed the implication

01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:07.860
was that the officer had

01:13:07.860 --> 01:13:08.740
the option of recording

01:13:08.740 --> 01:13:09.800
and saving the radar

01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:10.960
scan or simply scanning it

01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:11.660
and clearing the radar.

01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:12.920
When I brought up in

01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:14.060
court, the officer's quote,

01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:15.260
he simply denied ever

01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:16.680
saying it, to which our

01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:17.680
friendly sustainers of

01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:18.820
justice happily agreed.

01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:20.080
Point being, unless your

01:13:20.080 --> 01:13:21.380
cop suddenly can't use the

01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:22.480
triple time and make it to

01:13:22.480 --> 01:13:23.400
court, it's easier and

01:13:23.400 --> 01:13:24.340
safer, mind you, to just

01:13:24.340 --> 01:13:26.360
slow the fuck down.

01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:29.200
I'll stop for a little

01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:30.440
input from you because

01:13:30.440 --> 01:13:31.040
you might have some

01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:31.580
insight there.

01:13:33.580 --> 01:13:34.600
Yeah, slow enough

01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.140
down might actually work.

01:13:36.900 --> 01:13:37.800
You know, I heard what

01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:38.300
you guys were talking

01:13:38.300 --> 01:13:38.820
about with traffic

01:13:38.820 --> 01:13:39.140
tickets.

01:13:39.260 --> 01:13:40.500
I could get into a big

01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:41.800
long thing about this

01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:42.900
because I'm very

01:13:42.900 --> 01:13:44.180
experienced in the field,

01:13:44.340 --> 01:13:44.900
unfortunately.

01:13:45.900 --> 01:13:47.180
But we may have to save

01:13:47.180 --> 01:13:47.920
that for another show

01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:49.760
because the Lucky's

01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:50.780
techniques, I'm sure,

01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:51.500
work in California.

01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:52.280
He uses them all the

01:13:52.280 --> 01:13:52.500
time.

01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.820
In New York, it's a

01:13:53.820 --> 01:13:54.880
totally different ball

01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:55.140
game.

01:13:55.220 --> 01:13:56.040
They have so much

01:13:56.040 --> 01:13:57.340
freedom in amending

01:13:57.340 --> 01:13:57.920
things.

01:13:58.640 --> 01:13:59.640
That's what I said,

01:13:59.700 --> 01:13:59.920
yeah.

01:14:00.660 --> 01:14:00.960
Yeah.

01:14:01.180 --> 01:14:02.240
I mean, in New York,

01:14:02.360 --> 01:14:03.000
actually in certain

01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:03.900
places in New York,

01:14:04.820 --> 01:14:06.560
just a quick, very

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:07.320
quick example.

01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:08.580
I got a parking ticket

01:14:08.580 --> 01:14:09.020
that had the

01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:10.080
description of my car

01:14:10.080 --> 01:14:11.560
but had the license

01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:12.440
plate from a car that

01:14:12.440 --> 01:14:13.480
I got rid of two years

01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:15.680
ago and had me listed

01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:16.600
as being in the wrong

01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:17.020
place.

01:14:17.820 --> 01:14:18.840
And even though all

01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:19.700
of this information was

01:14:19.700 --> 01:14:20.780
wrong, including the

01:14:20.780 --> 01:14:21.680
date at which I got

01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:23.620
the ticket, the judge

01:14:23.620 --> 01:14:25.100
told me that if I

01:14:25.100 --> 01:14:26.000
ended up taking it to

01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:27.300
court, the cop in

01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:28.300
court would just amend

01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:29.020
the ticket to the

01:14:29.020 --> 01:14:29.840
correct information

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:30.460
and I'd have to pay

01:14:30.460 --> 01:14:31.060
the full fine.

01:14:33.080 --> 01:14:33.760
So essentially,

01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:34.580
they don't need any,

01:14:34.780 --> 01:14:35.740
they don't, the ticket

01:14:35.740 --> 01:14:36.420
doesn't mean anything

01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:37.140
in certain places in

01:14:37.140 --> 01:14:37.380
New York.

01:14:37.460 --> 01:14:38.120
In New York City, it's

01:14:38.120 --> 01:14:38.400
different.

01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:38.980
They have to be

01:14:38.980 --> 01:14:39.320
accurate.

01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:40.460
But outside of New

01:14:40.460 --> 01:14:41.240
York City, they have

01:14:41.240 --> 01:14:42.200
so much freedom that

01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:42.940
it's not even worth

01:14:42.940 --> 01:14:43.520
fighting a lot of

01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:43.940
these things.

01:14:44.460 --> 01:14:45.420
Go in there, say you

01:14:45.420 --> 01:14:45.960
want to pay a little

01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:46.560
bit less, you don't

01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.140
have the money to pay

01:14:47.140 --> 01:14:47.780
it, that's one thing,

01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:48.620
but don't try to argue

01:14:48.620 --> 01:14:49.460
semantics with these

01:14:49.460 --> 01:14:50.200
guys because they will

01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:51.320
rip you a new one.

01:14:51.320 --> 01:14:54.260
All right, let's see,

01:14:54.500 --> 01:14:56.360
five is six, goes on

01:14:56.360 --> 01:14:57.380
to say, question time.

01:14:57.480 --> 01:14:57.920
I am currently

01:14:57.920 --> 01:14:58.620
interested in learning

01:14:58.620 --> 01:14:59.560
to program computer

01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:01.100
languages and I'm

01:15:01.100 --> 01:15:01.840
wondering if you can

01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:02.720
recommend a hierarchy

01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:04.180
of languages starting

01:15:04.180 --> 01:15:05.440
from a solid foundation

01:15:05.440 --> 01:15:06.020
and upward.

01:15:06.220 --> 01:15:07.060
Boy, that's a hole

01:15:07.060 --> 01:15:07.960
with no bottom there.

01:15:08.280 --> 01:15:09.280
We're not going to

01:15:09.280 --> 01:15:09.920
have time to go into

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:10.520
that too much.

01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:11.340
Perhaps there are

01:15:11.340 --> 01:15:12.080
different models of

01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:12.980
hierarchy to recommend

01:15:12.980 --> 01:15:13.640
depending on the

01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:14.880
intention of the

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:15.320
programming.

01:15:15.480 --> 01:15:15.660
Yes.

01:15:16.420 --> 01:15:17.380
For example, if

01:15:17.380 --> 01:15:18.140
landing a good paying

01:15:18.140 --> 01:15:19.100
job is my intention,

01:15:19.220 --> 01:15:20.100
the hierarchy language

01:15:20.100 --> 01:15:21.440
may differ from

01:15:21.440 --> 01:15:21.980
that from a

01:15:21.980 --> 01:15:22.540
different intention

01:15:22.540 --> 01:15:23.240
such as creation

01:15:23.240 --> 01:15:24.000
of a game for a

01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:24.600
PC, etc.

01:15:25.460 --> 01:15:25.880
P.S.

01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:26.760
Recommended book for

01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:27.380
the month, and this

01:15:27.380 --> 01:15:28.020
is really why I was

01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:28.600
reading this email,

01:15:29.140 --> 01:15:29.880
the recommended book

01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:30.620
for the month is

01:15:30.620 --> 01:15:32.400
Poker Without Cards,

01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:33.100
which can be

01:15:33.100 --> 01:15:34.160
downloaded for free

01:15:34.160 --> 01:15:37.900
at pokerwithoutcards.com.

01:15:38.320 --> 01:15:38.880
Despite its

01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:40.060
luring implication, the

01:15:40.060 --> 01:15:40.800
book has nothing to

01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:41.480
do with actual

01:15:41.480 --> 01:15:42.320
poker playing.

01:15:42.620 --> 01:15:43.520
Quite a hacker

01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:44.280
complimentary

01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:45.120
literature.

01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:47.440
With love, five

01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:48.020
is six.

01:15:48.020 --> 01:15:48.940
I'm just feeling

01:15:48.940 --> 01:15:49.780
the love this

01:15:49.780 --> 01:15:50.140
week.

01:15:50.740 --> 01:15:51.400
I'm glad you got

01:15:51.400 --> 01:15:51.980
me on this show

01:15:51.980 --> 01:15:52.460
because I feel

01:15:52.460 --> 01:15:52.980
really special.

01:15:52.980 --> 01:15:53.680
I'm going to sleep

01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:54.360
really well tonight.

01:15:54.460 --> 01:15:54.980
It's just such a

01:15:54.980 --> 01:15:55.720
loving show.

01:15:56.200 --> 01:15:57.040
Just such a loving

01:15:57.040 --> 01:15:57.760
show this week.

01:15:59.020 --> 01:15:59.840
We really don't

01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:00.540
have time to do,

01:16:00.660 --> 01:16:01.740
maybe you and I,

01:16:01.900 --> 01:16:02.560
I think we would do

01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:03.420
good to go through a

01:16:03.420 --> 01:16:04.400
show of talking about

01:16:04.400 --> 01:16:05.300
languages, their

01:16:05.300 --> 01:16:06.380
pros and cons, good

01:16:06.380 --> 01:16:07.120
places to start.

01:16:07.740 --> 01:16:08.500
I'm going to give a

01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:09.060
short answer.

01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:10.080
You may disagree with

01:16:10.080 --> 01:16:11.720
me, but my short

01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:12.740
answer is C.

01:16:13.120 --> 01:16:14.100
My short answer is C

01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:15.620
and then C++ because

01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:18.000
understand programming and

01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:19.820
C and it's so similar

01:16:19.820 --> 01:16:20.620
to a lot of other

01:16:20.620 --> 01:16:21.020
languages.

01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:22.540
You can go from C to

01:16:22.540 --> 01:16:23.460
Java, you can go from

01:16:23.460 --> 01:16:24.280
C to Perl, you can go

01:16:24.280 --> 01:16:26.740
to C to C++ and learn

01:16:26.740 --> 01:16:28.620
those object-oriented

01:16:28.620 --> 01:16:30.320
mindset and object-oriented

01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:31.860
tasks and stuff and you

01:16:31.860 --> 01:16:33.440
can adapt to almost

01:16:33.440 --> 01:16:33.900
anything.

01:16:34.060 --> 01:16:34.980
To me, the foundation

01:16:34.980 --> 01:16:36.460
language is C and C++.

01:16:37.240 --> 01:16:39.160
Yeah, I'll give you my

01:16:39.160 --> 01:16:40.140
quick response right

01:16:40.140 --> 01:16:40.280
here.

01:16:40.360 --> 01:16:40.960
If you want to get a

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.900
job, learn C first.

01:16:43.260 --> 01:16:44.420
If you want to program

01:16:44.420 --> 01:16:45.580
for yourself, you want to

01:16:45.580 --> 01:16:46.840
write applications, real

01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:48.500
applications, C first.

01:16:48.620 --> 01:16:49.800
If you want to do text

01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:50.900
processing, Perl.

01:16:50.980 --> 01:16:51.560
If you want to program

01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:52.620
webpages, PHP.

01:16:53.120 --> 01:16:53.480
That's it.

01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:53.860
Yeah.

01:16:54.120 --> 01:16:55.400
Yeah, Perl definitely.

01:16:56.540 --> 01:16:57.820
Well, HTML, of course,

01:16:57.880 --> 01:16:58.540
before PHP.

01:16:58.660 --> 01:16:59.360
You have to know some

01:16:59.360 --> 01:16:59.580
HTML.

01:16:59.580 --> 01:17:01.040
Well, yeah, anyway.

01:17:01.100 --> 01:17:02.040
We'll go into that

01:17:02.040 --> 01:17:02.520
another day.

01:17:03.460 --> 01:17:03.660
Yeah.

01:17:03.980 --> 01:17:04.960
That's the short answer.

01:17:05.060 --> 01:17:05.680
Sorry we couldn't give

01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:06.740
you more on that one.

01:17:07.040 --> 01:17:08.720
Next email from Uncle

01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.040
Toxy who says,

01:17:11.120 --> 01:17:12.100
Stank and not theory.

01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:12.980
I wanted to provide a

01:17:12.980 --> 01:17:13.840
little information on

01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:15.080
the useless support.com

01:17:15.080 --> 01:17:16.000
software that you have

01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:16.300
running.

01:17:16.440 --> 01:17:17.040
I've worked with the

01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:17.840
software during my

01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:19.900
tenure with a particular

01:17:19.900 --> 01:17:20.380
company.

01:17:20.700 --> 01:17:21.860
You are right in saying

01:17:21.860 --> 01:17:22.680
that the help system

01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:23.660
does no good when your

01:17:23.660 --> 01:17:24.840
connection is down.

01:17:25.660 --> 01:17:26.680
The main functions of

01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:27.440
the software were to

01:17:27.440 --> 01:17:28.840
provide information to a

01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:29.940
new user who is

01:17:29.940 --> 01:17:30.400
connected.

01:17:31.060 --> 01:17:32.220
That's fucking useless.

01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:32.860
Oh, God.

01:17:33.240 --> 01:17:34.300
For instance, if you did

01:17:34.300 --> 01:17:35.040
not know how to set up

01:17:35.040 --> 01:17:36.780
your email client, if it

01:17:36.780 --> 01:17:37.860
was Outlook Express, that

01:17:37.860 --> 01:17:38.920
is, then you could do a

01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:39.920
search using the software.

01:17:40.060 --> 01:17:40.520
You would then be

01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:41.620
directed to a help page.

01:17:41.620 --> 01:17:42.420
There was no documentation

01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:43.900
on how to set it up, and

01:17:43.900 --> 01:17:45.400
even scripts, ActiveX if I

01:17:45.400 --> 01:17:46.620
recall correctly, that

01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:47.380
would automatically launch

01:17:47.380 --> 01:17:48.300
the new account wizard for

01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:49.040
Outlook Express.

01:17:49.160 --> 01:17:50.020
If you used Thunderbird or

01:17:50.020 --> 01:17:51.380
Netscape, you were screwed.

01:17:52.080 --> 01:17:53.160
The whole point was to try

01:17:53.160 --> 01:17:54.300
and reduce call volume to

01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:55.380
the support center.

01:17:55.480 --> 01:17:56.340
How do you like my fast

01:17:56.340 --> 01:17:57.360
guy talking voice?

01:17:57.900 --> 01:17:58.960
Yeah, that's quick.

01:17:59.180 --> 01:18:03.400
The other thing that it

01:18:03.400 --> 01:18:04.640
does is remote access.

01:18:04.860 --> 01:18:05.620
If you were a support

01:18:05.620 --> 01:18:06.460
agent, you could walk

01:18:06.460 --> 01:18:07.360
through a few steps and

01:18:07.360 --> 01:18:08.240
then be able to remotely

01:18:08.240 --> 01:18:09.180
control the college

01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:09.580
computer.

01:18:09.820 --> 01:18:10.460
It's always handy.

01:18:10.460 --> 01:18:12.140
This came in very handy

01:18:12.140 --> 01:18:12.980
from time to time.

01:18:13.100 --> 01:18:13.720
I can go into greater

01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:15.000
detail about it later if

01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:15.560
you wish.

01:18:16.020 --> 01:18:16.900
On another note, Lucky

01:18:16.900 --> 01:18:18.280
225 sees like a nice

01:18:18.280 --> 01:18:19.200
enough kid and very

01:18:19.200 --> 01:18:19.660
intelligent.

01:18:19.820 --> 01:18:20.960
Whoa, what has he been

01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:21.500
listening to?

01:18:22.300 --> 01:18:24.200
Anyway, nice enough kid

01:18:24.200 --> 01:18:25.040
and very intelligent.

01:18:25.160 --> 01:18:25.860
I'm kidding.

01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:26.880
Lucky's my dog.

01:18:26.900 --> 01:18:28.000
I know, I know, I know.

01:18:28.220 --> 01:18:29.040
Very intelligent.

01:18:29.180 --> 01:18:30.740
However, I would like to

01:18:30.740 --> 01:18:31.640
tell him one thing.

01:18:31.980 --> 01:18:32.500
If you're going to take

01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:33.400
the chance of speeding,

01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:34.760
be a man and take your

01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:35.480
medicine if you get

01:18:35.480 --> 01:18:35.820
caught.

01:18:36.380 --> 01:18:37.520
Saying that, if you are

01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:38.640
indeed not speeding, then

01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:39.700
do what you need to do in

01:18:39.700 --> 01:18:40.580
order to fight it.

01:18:40.860 --> 01:18:42.460
But you don't need me to

01:18:42.460 --> 01:18:43.280
tell you that.

01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:45.400
Finally, Metallica licks

01:18:45.400 --> 01:18:46.680
the sweat from a dead

01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:47.740
man's balls.

01:18:47.860 --> 01:18:48.840
I hope they get hit by a

01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:50.360
bus and taste their own

01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:50.640
blood.

01:18:50.740 --> 01:18:51.700
The fucking sellout

01:18:51.700 --> 01:18:53.120
chodes must die.

01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:54.320
Wow.

01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:55.760
How does he really feel

01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:56.000
though?

01:18:56.060 --> 01:18:56.420
Wow.

01:18:56.580 --> 01:18:57.300
That was, yeah.

01:18:57.620 --> 01:18:58.700
You know, I don't.

01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:00.680
Way to be vague, guy.

01:19:00.820 --> 01:19:01.600
Yeah, exactly.

01:19:03.240 --> 01:19:04.320
Yeah, let's see.

01:19:04.380 --> 01:19:06.180
Support.com does suck.

01:19:06.980 --> 01:19:08.340
Double click it and it

01:19:08.340 --> 01:19:09.380
didn't even do anything

01:19:09.380 --> 01:19:10.900
except open my browser to

01:19:10.900 --> 01:19:12.020
take me to a support.com

01:19:12.020 --> 01:19:12.760
web page.

01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:14.300
Which is useless if I

01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:15.000
can't get to the

01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:15.600
interweb.

01:19:16.860 --> 01:19:17.880
And then, and here's the

01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:18.380
thing, here's a little

01:19:18.380 --> 01:19:18.880
funny story.

01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:20.540
Gosh, we're, oh, I hate

01:19:20.540 --> 01:19:21.220
running out of time.

01:19:22.020 --> 01:19:23.820
The page that I went to

01:19:23.820 --> 01:19:26.260
wanted my life story to

01:19:26.260 --> 01:19:27.340
get chat help.

01:19:27.420 --> 01:19:27.940
They had one of those

01:19:27.940 --> 01:19:28.840
live chat things.

01:19:29.060 --> 01:19:30.400
But they made me fill out

01:19:30.400 --> 01:19:31.020
all this crap.

01:19:31.120 --> 01:19:31.960
They wanted the username

01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:33.120
and blah, blah, blah.

01:19:33.120 --> 01:19:34.480
I tried to just put in

01:19:34.480 --> 01:19:35.340
the username, skip all

01:19:35.340 --> 01:19:37.000
the rest of it, but it

01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.240
would, kept giving me the

01:19:38.240 --> 01:19:39.860
mandatory fields crap.

01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:42.040
They wanted an address, a

01:19:42.040 --> 01:19:43.360
phone number, city, state,

01:19:43.660 --> 01:19:44.800
everything, all this stuff

01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:45.520
and it was mandatory.

01:19:46.220 --> 01:19:47.740
So, I was pissed.

01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:49.100
I just put in stuff.

01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:50.100
I put in like one, two,

01:19:50.160 --> 01:19:51.340
three, just fucking help

01:19:51.340 --> 01:19:53.520
me street and don't be

01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:54.420
nosy New York.

01:19:54.760 --> 01:19:55.760
And I just clicked

01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:56.040
through it.

01:19:56.080 --> 01:19:56.880
I put eight, eight, eight,

01:19:57.000 --> 01:19:57.760
five, five, five, or

01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.200
800-555-1212, et

01:20:00.200 --> 01:20:01.200
cetera, put all this stuff

01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:02.240
in there and then I got,

01:20:02.240 --> 01:20:02.780
and it went.

01:20:03.020 --> 01:20:03.860
They don't verify or

01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:04.380
check anything.

01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:05.180
They don't care that it's

01:20:05.180 --> 01:20:05.820
a real username.

01:20:06.400 --> 01:20:07.620
So, I get this lady, this

01:20:07.620 --> 01:20:08.740
chick, it was a female's

01:20:08.740 --> 01:20:10.220
name, so I assume it was

01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:10.540
a chick.

01:20:11.220 --> 01:20:12.980
And she said, thank you

01:20:12.980 --> 01:20:13.620
for using support.

01:20:13.700 --> 01:20:14.140
Can you help me?

01:20:14.180 --> 01:20:15.080
I said, yes, I just want

01:20:15.080 --> 01:20:15.560
to know if you're having

01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:16.280
problems with the DNS

01:20:16.280 --> 01:20:17.000
service because I'm

01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:17.840
getting a lot of errors.

01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:19.420
I didn't even get the

01:20:19.420 --> 01:20:19.920
thing typed.

01:20:19.980 --> 01:20:21.040
I typed it in, hit enter.

01:20:21.940 --> 01:20:22.980
Next thing I know, the

01:20:22.980 --> 01:20:24.240
box went grayed out.

01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:25.940
A little message came on

01:20:25.940 --> 01:20:28.460
that said, it said

01:20:28.460 --> 01:20:29.520
something to the effect

01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.460
of I was disconnected

01:20:31.460 --> 01:20:32.440
and the comment

01:20:32.440 --> 01:20:33.460
underneath of it says,

01:20:33.740 --> 01:20:34.200
you have been

01:20:34.200 --> 01:20:34.660
disconnected.

01:20:34.860 --> 01:20:35.640
I did not appreciate

01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:36.760
the information in your

01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.240
profile because I put

01:20:39.240 --> 01:20:40.440
just fucking help me

01:20:40.440 --> 01:20:40.880
street.

01:20:42.080 --> 01:20:42.940
Oh, God.

01:20:43.060 --> 01:20:43.580
Yeah, I know.

01:20:43.620 --> 01:20:44.340
I was a dick, but

01:20:44.340 --> 01:20:44.700
whatever.

01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:46.900
So, anyway, uninstall the

01:20:46.900 --> 01:20:47.260
software.

01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:48.600
Uncle Toxie's told you

01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:49.540
it doesn't do anything.

01:20:49.860 --> 01:20:50.580
Don't even have, just

01:20:50.580 --> 01:20:51.200
uninstall it.

01:20:51.260 --> 01:20:51.740
It's worthless.

01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:54.280
And our last email this

01:20:54.280 --> 01:20:54.640
week.

01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:55.740
Oh, yeah.

01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:57.240
Oh, I'm looking forward

01:20:57.240 --> 01:20:57.780
to this one.

01:20:58.380 --> 01:20:59.520
Always looking forward to

01:20:59.520 --> 01:20:59.960
this email.

01:21:00.380 --> 01:21:00.980
You want to read this

01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:01.140
one?

01:21:02.580 --> 01:21:03.860
Yeah, I think I could do

01:21:03.860 --> 01:21:04.040
this.

01:21:04.040 --> 01:21:04.740
Can you do this?

01:21:04.740 --> 01:21:05.720
This email comes from

01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:07.500
System Shock Zore.

01:21:08.460 --> 01:21:09.520
And he writes,

01:21:10.380 --> 01:21:11.900
What the fuck?

01:21:12.580 --> 01:21:14.600
But what if Metallica

01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:15.560
sold out?

01:21:15.660 --> 01:21:16.260
That doesn't mean you

01:21:16.260 --> 01:21:16.880
can't listen to their

01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:18.340
music just because they

01:21:18.340 --> 01:21:19.060
want more money.

01:21:19.300 --> 01:21:20.200
If a drug dealer starts

01:21:20.200 --> 01:21:21.040
asking for more money,

01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:22.160
what would you do?

01:21:22.280 --> 01:21:23.360
Stop smoking weed?

01:21:23.860 --> 01:21:24.220
No.

01:21:24.220 --> 01:21:27.320
By the way, I'm sorry

01:21:27.320 --> 01:21:28.360
about the bad jokes and

01:21:28.360 --> 01:21:29.040
all the things I said

01:21:29.040 --> 01:21:29.600
about you.

01:21:29.700 --> 01:21:30.360
I won't bother you

01:21:30.360 --> 01:21:30.780
again.

01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:31.660
In fact, I think you're

01:21:31.660 --> 01:21:32.500
a great person.

01:21:32.760 --> 01:21:33.560
And I listen to your

01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:35.260
show every week.

01:21:36.380 --> 01:21:36.780
Oh.

01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:38.560
How can we?

01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:39.440
Wait a minute.

01:21:39.860 --> 01:21:40.420
How can we?

01:21:40.480 --> 01:21:42.140
Wait, I'm not done yet.

01:21:42.280 --> 01:21:42.920
Oh, I'm sorry.

01:21:43.040 --> 01:21:43.200
What?

01:21:43.700 --> 01:21:45.140
He also intelligently

01:21:45.140 --> 01:21:45.840
adds at the end,

01:21:46.360 --> 01:21:47.560
Yes, enough with the

01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:48.360
spelling jokes.

01:21:48.460 --> 01:21:49.040
I'm not a native

01:21:49.040 --> 01:21:49.660
English speaker.

01:21:50.860 --> 01:21:51.740
Oh, that's okay.

01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:52.380
Neither are we.

01:21:52.780 --> 01:21:53.920
We're 80s rocks.

01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.160
We're band speakers.

01:21:58.240 --> 01:21:59.960
Wild stallions.

01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:04.020
Oh, man.

01:22:04.160 --> 01:22:04.500
Okay.

01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:05.380
Well, you know,

01:22:05.400 --> 01:22:05.640
wait a minute.

01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:06.000
Hold on.

01:22:06.060 --> 01:22:06.660
First of all,

01:22:07.420 --> 01:22:08.540
if a drug dealer starts

01:22:08.540 --> 01:22:09.780
asking for more money,

01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:10.460
what do I do?

01:22:10.980 --> 01:22:12.060
Find a different drug

01:22:12.060 --> 01:22:12.440
dealer.

01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:13.480
What the fuck is

01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:14.840
common sense with that?

01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:16.960
Yeah, that's not

01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:17.600
really an intelligent

01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:17.900
comment.

01:22:17.900 --> 01:22:19.040
Yeah, that's not a

01:22:19.040 --> 01:22:19.320
good one.

01:22:19.400 --> 01:22:19.860
It doesn't really

01:22:19.860 --> 01:22:20.480
make much sense.

01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:20.700
Right.

01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:21.200
Metallica?

01:22:21.480 --> 01:22:22.140
If somebody was

01:22:22.140 --> 01:22:22.840
trying to sell you a

01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:23.900
car for 20 times

01:22:23.900 --> 01:22:24.680
over MSRP,

01:22:24.820 --> 01:22:25.240
what would you do?

01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:25.740
You'd go to a

01:22:25.740 --> 01:22:26.380
different dealership.

01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:27.040
Exactly.

01:22:28.100 --> 01:22:28.820
But I like how he

01:22:28.820 --> 01:22:29.560
combined drugs with

01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:29.980
Metallica.

01:22:30.120 --> 01:22:30.880
Thanks for associating

01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:31.120
that.

01:22:32.040 --> 01:22:32.780
Yeah, Metallica's

01:22:32.780 --> 01:22:33.520
not the only band

01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:33.820
out there.

01:22:33.860 --> 01:22:34.480
There's other ones.

01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:35.540
So I stopped

01:22:35.540 --> 01:22:36.280
supporting Metallica

01:22:36.280 --> 01:22:36.880
and find other

01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:37.680
talented bands

01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:38.320
that are out there

01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.620
and don't cry all

01:22:40.620 --> 01:22:41.180
the time and called

01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:41.780
me a thief for

01:22:41.780 --> 01:22:42.300
downloading their

01:22:42.300 --> 01:22:42.640
music.

01:22:43.100 --> 01:22:44.100
So what's so

01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:45.340
difficult about that?

01:22:46.340 --> 01:22:47.240
Anyway, and oh,

01:22:47.240 --> 01:22:47.740
come on, man.

01:22:47.740 --> 01:22:48.260
You're not going to

01:22:48.260 --> 01:22:49.160
bother me anymore.

01:22:49.240 --> 01:22:49.780
Don't bother me

01:22:49.780 --> 01:22:49.960
again.

01:22:50.020 --> 01:22:50.940
That's not cool.

01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:51.440
I mean, I'm

01:22:51.440 --> 01:22:52.180
looking forward to

01:22:52.180 --> 01:22:53.060
my system shock

01:22:53.060 --> 01:22:54.100
soar fix every

01:22:54.100 --> 01:22:54.460
week.

01:22:54.900 --> 01:22:55.420
I've got to have

01:22:55.420 --> 01:22:56.400
my system shock

01:22:56.400 --> 01:22:56.940
soar insults.

01:22:58.460 --> 01:22:59.140
And who are we

01:22:59.140 --> 01:22:59.880
going to use this

01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:01.940
screaming 80s rocker

01:23:01.940 --> 01:23:03.100
voice on?

01:23:03.100 --> 01:23:06.280
Oh, my God.

01:23:06.860 --> 01:23:07.260
I don't know.

01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:07.900
We'll work it

01:23:07.900 --> 01:23:08.420
into somebody.

01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:09.100
Yeah, and for

01:23:09.100 --> 01:23:10.620
RPS, Binary

01:23:10.620 --> 01:23:11.400
Revolution Radio

01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:12.240
does not condone

01:23:12.240 --> 01:23:13.000
smoking weed or

01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:13.640
any other illegal

01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:14.020
substance.

01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:15.980
Mm-hmm.

01:23:16.180 --> 01:23:16.480
Mm-hmm.

01:23:16.740 --> 01:23:16.980
Okay.

01:23:17.160 --> 01:23:17.760
All right, anyway,

01:23:18.040 --> 01:23:19.060
dude, I don't know

01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:19.600
what the hell we're

01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:20.020
going to do.

01:23:20.200 --> 01:23:20.600
We're going to have

01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:21.180
to edit something

01:23:21.180 --> 01:23:21.740
out or something

01:23:21.740 --> 01:23:22.640
because we're at

01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:24.280
124 now.

01:23:25.060 --> 01:23:26.520
And let's just

01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:27.220
skip the personal

01:23:27.220 --> 01:23:27.980
hacking show and

01:23:27.980 --> 01:23:29.500
tell because it's

01:23:29.500 --> 01:23:30.280
kind of our show

01:23:30.280 --> 01:23:31.000
and tell is the

01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:31.820
main topic tonight

01:23:31.820 --> 01:23:33.000
and that is a

01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:33.860
short five-minute

01:23:33.860 --> 01:23:34.360
announcement.

01:23:35.660 --> 01:23:36.560
Well, I guess I'll

01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:37.200
let you make the

01:23:37.200 --> 01:23:37.840
announcement because

01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:38.620
you're the one that's

01:23:38.620 --> 01:23:39.280
been putting most of

01:23:39.280 --> 01:23:40.100
the work in on this.

01:23:41.140 --> 01:23:41.980
All righty.

01:23:43.140 --> 01:23:43.500
Hmm.

01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:44.480
I'm really bad at

01:23:44.480 --> 01:23:44.960
these announcement

01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:45.260
things.

01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:45.920
I never really know

01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:46.360
what to say.

01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:47.200
All right, well, I'll

01:23:47.200 --> 01:23:47.840
announce it and you

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:48.420
explain it.

01:23:48.440 --> 01:23:49.000
How about that?

01:23:49.660 --> 01:23:50.040
What's that?

01:23:50.140 --> 01:23:50.880
I said I'll announce

01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:52.920
it and you explain it.

01:23:53.100 --> 01:23:55.200
No, I can handle it.

01:23:55.280 --> 01:23:56.400
I think I got it here.

01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:58.460
We are going to be

01:23:58.460 --> 01:24:00.240
doing a new weekly show

01:24:00.240 --> 01:24:01.640
which is a little

01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:02.420
different than the

01:24:02.420 --> 01:24:03.540
shows that we've been

01:24:03.540 --> 01:24:04.020
doing now.

01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:05.780
The name of the show

01:24:05.780 --> 01:24:09.180
is Freak Factor and

01:24:09.180 --> 01:24:10.400
it's basically the first

01:24:10.400 --> 01:24:12.080
hacker reality radio

01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:12.420
show.

01:24:13.420 --> 01:24:14.360
And it's not going to

01:24:14.360 --> 01:24:14.980
be like any of the

01:24:14.980 --> 01:24:15.300
other shows.

01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:15.920
We're not going to have

01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.060
any topics to talk

01:24:17.060 --> 01:24:17.420
about.

01:24:18.200 --> 01:24:18.940
We're just basically

01:24:18.940 --> 01:24:20.620
we're going to call up

01:24:20.620 --> 01:24:22.380
to the PBX.

01:24:22.740 --> 01:24:24.040
We're going to hop on

01:24:24.040 --> 01:24:24.300
the air.

01:24:24.400 --> 01:24:24.760
We're going to talk

01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:25.280
about whatever the

01:24:25.280 --> 01:24:25.840
hell we want.

01:24:26.300 --> 01:24:28.100
And that's about it.

01:24:28.100 --> 01:24:28.520
We're just going to

01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:29.880
have fun with it and

01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:30.520
see what happens.

01:24:30.640 --> 01:24:31.580
Some weeks, if you've

01:24:31.580 --> 01:24:32.280
been hanging out on

01:24:32.280 --> 01:24:34.420
conferences ever and

01:24:34.420 --> 01:24:35.280
freak scenes, some

01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:36.220
weeks conferences are

01:24:36.220 --> 01:24:37.040
really cool, a lot of

01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:37.640
fun to listen to.

01:24:37.740 --> 01:24:38.740
Some weeks they suck.

01:24:38.940 --> 01:24:39.700
Some weeks you have

01:24:39.700 --> 01:24:40.860
Tron toning it out.

01:24:41.280 --> 01:24:42.000
You know, it's just

01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.400
what happens.

01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:44.660
And we're going to

01:24:44.660 --> 01:24:46.080
add in some features

01:24:46.080 --> 01:24:48.420
where eventually the

01:24:48.420 --> 01:24:49.060
users will be able to

01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:49.600
go to the website.

01:24:50.140 --> 01:24:50.700
And if somebody's

01:24:50.700 --> 01:24:51.580
really pissing you off,

01:24:51.800 --> 01:24:52.800
you can just vote them

01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:53.480
off of the conference.

01:24:53.660 --> 01:24:55.440
And every half hour or

01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:56.140
so we'll do that.

01:24:56.140 --> 01:24:57.480
And people will just

01:24:57.480 --> 01:24:58.960
get fucking hung up

01:24:58.960 --> 01:24:59.140
on.

01:24:59.220 --> 01:24:59.540
That's it.

01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:00.480
Survivor style.

01:25:00.480 --> 01:25:01.740
You and your buddies

01:25:01.740 --> 01:25:02.700
vote them down and

01:25:02.700 --> 01:25:03.420
he's gone.

01:25:04.300 --> 01:25:05.340
Can they form alliances

01:25:05.340 --> 01:25:06.640
and vote people off?

01:25:08.100 --> 01:25:09.120
Oh yeah, it's going to

01:25:09.120 --> 01:25:10.000
be totally ridiculous.

01:25:10.300 --> 01:25:11.020
Because personally, I

01:25:11.020 --> 01:25:12.280
think reality TV is

01:25:12.280 --> 01:25:12.760
ridiculous.

01:25:13.220 --> 01:25:13.900
I think this is our

01:25:13.900 --> 01:25:15.020
way of, you know,

01:25:15.620 --> 01:25:17.020
making fun of it and

01:25:17.020 --> 01:25:18.100
having a good time at

01:25:18.100 --> 01:25:18.740
the same time.

01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:20.460
It really is going to

01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:20.920
be fun.

01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:22.160
We do have some

01:25:22.160 --> 01:25:22.960
fail-safes in there.

01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:23.480
We're going to have a

01:25:23.480 --> 01:25:24.340
way to try to identify

01:25:24.340 --> 01:25:26.120
people who are willing

01:25:26.120 --> 01:25:27.240
participants, that is,

01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:28.280
who want that worked

01:25:28.280 --> 01:25:28.860
out that way.

01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:32.100
And if something comes

01:25:32.100 --> 01:25:32.820
up where we have like

01:25:32.820 --> 01:25:33.880
a topic we want to

01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:35.040
discuss and we want to

01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:35.960
actually go into detail

01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:37.680
about and someone is

01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:38.780
being a Tron and toning

01:25:38.780 --> 01:25:39.560
us out or whatever,

01:25:40.160 --> 01:25:41.360
we're looking into ways

01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:42.420
to address that as well.

01:25:42.580 --> 01:25:44.520
But again, I like the

01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:46.520
aspect of this of the

01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:47.020
reality.

01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:48.780
Because yes, in a way

01:25:48.780 --> 01:25:49.600
we're making fun of it,

01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:50.340
but at the same time,

01:25:50.380 --> 01:25:51.420
this is a reality show.

01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:53.400
If Tron or some other

01:25:53.400 --> 01:25:54.580
people come in and do

01:25:54.580 --> 01:25:55.540
start toning it out,

01:25:56.120 --> 01:25:56.980
that's part of it.

01:25:57.040 --> 01:25:57.720
That's part of the

01:25:57.720 --> 01:25:58.780
reality to me and that's

01:25:58.780 --> 01:25:59.420
what's going to make it

01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:00.200
unique and interesting

01:26:00.200 --> 01:26:01.100
and you never know.

01:26:01.780 --> 01:26:02.680
This is going to give

01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:03.660
everybody who doesn't

01:26:03.660 --> 01:26:05.140
already hate Tron a whole

01:26:05.140 --> 01:26:06.200
new way to start hating

01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:06.660
Tron.

01:26:06.660 --> 01:26:09.620
But this will also give

01:26:09.620 --> 01:26:10.780
people who are not making

01:26:10.780 --> 01:26:12.940
shows yet to kind of have

01:26:12.940 --> 01:26:13.920
the floor if they want.

01:26:14.200 --> 01:26:15.760
If they've got a topic

01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:16.640
they want to talk about

01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.020
and we're hanging out in

01:26:18.020 --> 01:26:18.740
there and we think they've

01:26:18.740 --> 01:26:19.460
got something worthwhile

01:26:19.460 --> 01:26:20.400
saying, we can give them

01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:20.680
the floor.

01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:21.820
We can mute everybody out

01:26:21.820 --> 01:26:22.660
if we think it's important

01:26:22.660 --> 01:26:23.860
and they can go on and

01:26:23.860 --> 01:26:24.600
talk about a topic.

01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:25.720
We could interview people

01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:26.980
who we've never spoken to

01:26:26.980 --> 01:26:28.360
before who we can't get

01:26:28.360 --> 01:26:29.060
on the show normally.

01:26:29.180 --> 01:26:29.840
They can just call into

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:30.260
the conference.

01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:31.620
And we have a lot of

01:26:31.620 --> 01:26:32.740
flexibility from this.

01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:33.780
I built a little

01:26:33.780 --> 01:26:35.120
administrative interface for

01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:37.380
asterisk to handle a show

01:26:37.380 --> 01:26:37.860
like this.

01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:39.060
And there's a lot of

01:26:39.060 --> 01:26:39.380
flexibility.

01:26:39.620 --> 01:26:40.480
And some weeks we may not

01:26:40.480 --> 01:26:41.000
even be there.

01:26:41.100 --> 01:26:41.900
Some weeks it'll just be

01:26:41.900 --> 01:26:43.040
people hanging out.

01:26:43.080 --> 01:26:43.560
And if you just want to

01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:44.440
call up and hear yourself

01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:45.240
on the radio stream,

01:26:45.320 --> 01:26:45.940
you can do that.

01:26:46.040 --> 01:26:46.560
You know, everything's

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:47.260
going to be automatic.

01:26:47.700 --> 01:26:48.400
So if we're not there,

01:26:48.480 --> 01:26:49.100
the show's going to go

01:26:49.100 --> 01:26:49.880
on the air without us.

01:26:49.900 --> 01:26:50.320
It's fine.

01:26:50.480 --> 01:26:51.200
But if we're there,

01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:51.880
you know, we'll be able

01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:52.680
to throw in some extra

01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:53.640
fun things that people can

01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:54.860
do and start voting

01:26:54.860 --> 01:26:56.240
people off and doing

01:26:56.240 --> 01:26:57.080
all kinds of nonsense.

01:26:57.220 --> 01:26:57.880
I think it's going to be

01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:58.460
a lot of fun.

01:26:59.000 --> 01:26:59.840
Some weeks may suck.

01:26:59.940 --> 01:27:00.740
Some weeks may be great.

01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.020
But that's the whole

01:27:02.020 --> 01:27:02.400
fun of it.

01:27:05.120 --> 01:27:06.080
This is going to be right

01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:07.140
now, tentatively, we're

01:27:07.140 --> 01:27:08.060
looking towards Saturday

01:27:08.060 --> 01:27:08.320
night.

01:27:08.420 --> 01:27:09.060
This is going to be our

01:27:09.060 --> 01:27:10.400
Saturday night live, if

01:27:10.400 --> 01:27:10.840
you will.

01:27:11.500 --> 01:27:12.360
And again, I want to

01:27:12.360 --> 01:27:14.680
reemphasize that this is

01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.560
not an invite only thing.

01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:17.760
This is not a we choose

01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:18.820
who's talking or whatever.

01:27:19.200 --> 01:27:20.040
The way this is going to

01:27:20.040 --> 01:27:21.040
work is you're going to

01:27:21.040 --> 01:27:22.120
be able to go to the

01:27:22.120 --> 01:27:22.580
site.

01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:23.540
And let's go ahead and

01:27:23.540 --> 01:27:24.820
move into the closing.

01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:25.740
The site of the week is

01:27:25.740 --> 01:27:26.580
going to be obviously

01:27:26.580 --> 01:27:28.460
freakfactor.net.

01:27:28.460 --> 01:27:30.440
That's P-H-R-E-A-K

01:27:30.440 --> 01:27:33.520
P-H-A-C-T-O-R

01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:34.500
.net.

01:27:35.180 --> 01:27:36.280
And we're going to put

01:27:36.280 --> 01:27:37.400
that information up on

01:27:37.400 --> 01:27:38.520
that site when the time

01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:38.760
comes.

01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:40.060
We will be starting this

01:27:40.060 --> 01:27:41.540
week, this weekend, this

01:27:41.540 --> 01:27:42.340
upcoming Saturday.

01:27:43.120 --> 01:27:45.640
And anybody who wants to

01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.560
be on will simply call

01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:49.800
the number, follow the

01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:51.220
directions, punch in the

01:27:51.220 --> 01:27:52.780
proper codes, and you

01:27:52.780 --> 01:27:55.280
will be instantly put live

01:27:55.280 --> 01:27:55.780
onto the air.

01:27:55.820 --> 01:27:57.000
Now, there's a delay from

01:27:57.000 --> 01:27:58.280
the time it takes to relay

01:27:58.280 --> 01:28:00.580
the signal from server to

01:28:00.580 --> 01:28:01.780
server to server, etc.,

01:28:01.780 --> 01:28:03.240
etc., the way things are

01:28:03.240 --> 01:28:03.600
set up.

01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:04.980
But you are, for the

01:28:04.980 --> 01:28:07.040
most part, live on the

01:28:07.040 --> 01:28:07.300
radio.

01:28:07.400 --> 01:28:08.200
You will be able to tune

01:28:08.200 --> 01:28:09.540
in to DDP Hack Radio

01:28:09.540 --> 01:28:11.940
where it is being streamed

01:28:11.940 --> 01:28:13.700
whatever everybody and

01:28:13.700 --> 01:28:14.380
anybody says.

01:28:14.460 --> 01:28:15.440
And there are disclaimers

01:28:15.440 --> 01:28:16.640
that warn that you are

01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:17.820
being broadcast, so be

01:28:17.820 --> 01:28:18.560
careful what you say.

01:28:18.620 --> 01:28:19.620
Don't do anything stupid.

01:28:20.360 --> 01:28:21.900
And if you do, guess what?

01:28:21.940 --> 01:28:22.560
You blew it.

01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:23.320
Because anybody and

01:28:23.320 --> 01:28:24.500
everybody can hear this.

01:28:25.120 --> 01:28:26.080
The other thing to point

01:28:26.080 --> 01:28:27.320
out, well, actually I'm not

01:28:27.320 --> 01:28:27.920
going to point that out.

01:28:27.940 --> 01:28:28.840
I'm going to save that for

01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:29.640
later because we haven't

01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:30.500
decided on that yet.

01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:32.240
But, site of the week,

01:28:32.440 --> 01:28:34.280
freakfactor.net.

01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:36.560
Not there anything else

01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:37.420
before we close here?

01:28:37.480 --> 01:28:37.760
Go ahead.

01:28:38.460 --> 01:28:39.180
No, I was just going to

01:28:39.180 --> 01:28:40.040
say, if anybody's got any

01:28:40.040 --> 01:28:41.140
suggestions for the show,

01:28:41.220 --> 01:28:42.220
if you think you want to

01:28:42.220 --> 01:28:43.020
add a cool feature,

01:28:43.140 --> 01:28:43.960
something for you guys to

01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:44.520
be able to do on the

01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:45.360
website while the show's

01:28:45.360 --> 01:28:47.180
running, definitely email me.

01:28:47.220 --> 01:28:48.340
I am open to anything.

01:28:48.660 --> 01:28:49.800
I just sat down and wrote a

01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:50.820
lot of code to handle this,

01:28:50.860 --> 01:28:51.760
and I think I can add on

01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:53.440
new stuff fairly easily.

01:28:53.440 --> 01:28:55.240
So, I'm down for whatever.

01:28:55.820 --> 01:28:56.600
You open for anything?

01:28:58.080 --> 01:29:00.000
Well, we'll talk about that

01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.300
when I come visit you down

01:29:01.300 --> 01:29:01.460
there.

01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:02.320
All right, baby.

01:29:02.420 --> 01:29:03.540
Double penetration time.

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Oh, Jesus.

01:29:07.460 --> 01:29:08.260
All right.

01:29:09.420 --> 01:29:10.000
Let's see.

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Shouts.

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I've got to give a big list

01:29:11.740 --> 01:29:12.140
of shouts.

01:29:12.440 --> 01:29:13.200
So, I hope, let's see,

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we're running low on time.

01:29:14.460 --> 01:29:17.540
But, everybody in IRC right

01:29:17.540 --> 01:29:18.920
now, we are recording.

01:29:19.180 --> 01:29:20.320
It is later than I had

01:29:20.320 --> 01:29:22.520
hoped, but I'm going to run

01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:23.880
down the people in IRC

01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:25.620
on Dalnet, our new IRC

01:29:25.620 --> 01:29:26.600
channel, which has been

01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:28.240
very active and lots of

01:29:28.240 --> 01:29:29.920
fun and good conversation.

01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:32.140
First of all, to ZapperLink.

01:29:32.620 --> 01:29:33.720
Biggest shouts, because he's

01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:34.800
the one that did a lot of

01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:35.960
the work helping us set

01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:36.620
this thing up.

01:29:37.040 --> 01:29:38.460
Huge shouts to ZapperLink,

01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:39.380
registering everything,

01:29:39.580 --> 01:29:40.880
setting up all the auto-ops,

01:29:41.180 --> 01:29:42.180
and some other things that

01:29:42.180 --> 01:29:43.200
we're working on right now

01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:43.960
that are going to be fun,

01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:45.000
like I mentioned before.

01:29:46.460 --> 01:29:47.460
I'm not going to list the

01:29:47.460 --> 01:29:48.200
DDP people.

01:29:48.380 --> 01:29:48.780
Screw them.

01:29:48.820 --> 01:29:49.220
They suck.

01:29:50.180 --> 01:29:51.120
And I'm going to go down

01:29:51.120 --> 01:29:52.160
the list alphabetically here.

01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:54.280
Bushi, B-U-S-H-I.

01:29:55.020 --> 01:29:57.720
Capania, C-A-P-A-N-E-U-S.

01:29:58.400 --> 01:29:58.920
Default.

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.040
Oh, my goodness.

01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:03.680
Dalnet Sexmercs.

01:30:04.400 --> 01:30:05.580
I have no idea.

01:30:05.740 --> 01:30:10.040
D-O-L-N-E-T-S-X-M-Y-R-X.

01:30:10.820 --> 01:30:11.820
Droops, our good friend

01:30:11.820 --> 01:30:12.220
Droops.

01:30:13.600 --> 01:30:14.120
Encryx.

01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:15.060
Actually, I think she said

01:30:15.060 --> 01:30:15.820
that's encryption.

01:30:16.500 --> 01:30:17.860
Encryption X, Encryx,

01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:18.140
whatever.

01:30:18.820 --> 01:30:19.980
File Not Found.

01:30:20.420 --> 01:30:20.940
Fubster.

01:30:21.400 --> 01:30:22.640
Gentoo is crap.

01:30:22.900 --> 01:30:23.840
Somebody wanted to hear that

01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:24.900
on the radio, obviously.

01:30:26.340 --> 01:30:26.820
Hackwood.

01:30:27.240 --> 01:30:27.760
Jotun.

01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:28.640
Kerpop.

01:30:29.540 --> 01:30:29.900
Lucky.

01:30:30.040 --> 01:30:30.780
No, I'm not reading Lucky.

01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:31.220
Screw him.

01:30:31.700 --> 01:30:32.640
Mobile Digit.

01:30:33.220 --> 01:30:33.700
Knicks.

01:30:34.100 --> 01:30:35.680
Renegade 3-3-4.

01:30:36.100 --> 01:30:36.660
Cypher.

01:30:36.660 --> 01:30:38.340
Steve Cronin.

01:30:38.580 --> 01:30:39.500
Super Duper.

01:30:40.140 --> 01:30:40.540
Tom.

01:30:41.420 --> 01:30:42.380
Upside Down.

01:30:42.940 --> 01:30:43.340
Zeno.

01:30:43.860 --> 01:30:44.220
Hidio.

01:30:44.940 --> 01:30:46.200
And, oh, Nick84.

01:30:46.360 --> 01:30:47.200
Okay, I'll give him shouts.

01:30:47.280 --> 01:30:47.640
Nick's cool.

01:30:48.280 --> 01:30:50.480
So, to everybody in IRC,

01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:51.740
thank you for helping us

01:30:51.740 --> 01:30:53.020
get this channel moved over

01:30:53.020 --> 01:30:54.280
and cooperating and everything.

01:30:55.060 --> 01:30:56.140
It's already been

01:30:56.140 --> 01:30:58.800
really fun for me so far.

01:30:58.900 --> 01:30:59.460
I've been hanging out

01:30:59.460 --> 01:31:00.280
as much as possible.

01:31:00.400 --> 01:31:01.540
I'm idling all the time.

01:31:02.440 --> 01:31:03.020
And, I mean,

01:31:03.060 --> 01:31:03.760
I'm looking right now.

01:31:03.820 --> 01:31:05.160
One, two, three, four, five,

01:31:05.280 --> 01:31:06.260
six GDP members

01:31:06.260 --> 01:31:07.160
in there right now.

01:31:07.480 --> 01:31:08.860
So, it's a good way

01:31:08.860 --> 01:31:09.980
for us to all keep in touch.

01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:11.640
So, shouts to everybody there.

01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:14.580
And, again, email us.

01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:15.820
Radio at BinRev.com.

01:31:15.900 --> 01:31:17.880
Our closing music this week is

01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:19.820
Hex Error.

01:31:19.940 --> 01:31:22.300
H-E-X-E-R-R-O-R.

01:31:22.400 --> 01:31:24.200
It's called Deer Lodge Prison.

01:31:24.900 --> 01:31:25.840
And, not theory.

01:31:25.940 --> 01:31:27.180
Thank you for being on the show.

01:31:28.060 --> 01:31:29.320
Man, I'm telling you,

01:31:29.320 --> 01:31:31.300
we've got to do this again.

01:31:31.300 --> 01:31:32.120
Maybe next week

01:31:32.120 --> 01:31:32.980
or sometime soon

01:31:32.980 --> 01:31:33.680
when you get time.

01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:34.500
I know you've been busy.

01:31:35.360 --> 01:31:36.320
We've got a lot of stuff

01:31:36.320 --> 01:31:37.020
to spill over.

01:31:37.240 --> 01:31:37.980
Let me just give

01:31:37.980 --> 01:31:39.080
three quick shouts.

01:31:39.340 --> 01:31:39.740
Oh, absolutely.

01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:40.100
I'm sorry.

01:31:40.180 --> 01:31:40.880
Yeah, any shout-outs

01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:41.660
that you have, go ahead.

01:31:42.080 --> 01:31:42.840
Yeah, very quickly.

01:31:42.980 --> 01:31:43.660
I want to give shout-outs

01:31:43.660 --> 01:31:44.540
to Tycom.

01:31:44.620 --> 01:31:45.440
He's been on the forums.

01:31:46.160 --> 01:31:46.880
He's been in the scene

01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:47.800
for a long time

01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:48.780
and I have to attribute him.

01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:49.460
He is the guy

01:31:49.460 --> 01:31:50.720
who got me into the scene.

01:31:50.960 --> 01:31:53.260
So, many, many, many

01:31:53.260 --> 01:31:54.260
many props to him.

01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:56.840
You may not like to hear this,

01:31:56.940 --> 01:31:57.620
but I'm going to give

01:31:57.620 --> 01:31:59.640
shouts to GBPPR,

01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:01.460
the Green Bay Professional

01:32:01.460 --> 01:32:02.480
Packet Radio guys.

01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:03.520
They've had some problems

01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:04.280
with us in the past,

01:32:04.400 --> 01:32:05.640
but if you want to look up

01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.800
schematics about cool radio stuff,

01:32:08.100 --> 01:32:08.980
those guys have it.

01:32:09.020 --> 01:32:09.980
When it comes to radio stuff,

01:32:10.120 --> 01:32:11.040
they seriously know

01:32:11.040 --> 01:32:11.700
what they're talking about.

01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:14.260
And I would just like to

01:32:14.260 --> 01:32:15.640
say hello to my girlfriend

01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:16.880
and hope that she gets through

01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:17.700
all this stuff

01:32:17.700 --> 01:32:18.540
she's going through right now.

01:32:18.540 --> 01:32:21.000
I wish her the best,

01:32:21.080 --> 01:32:21.760
her family the best,

01:32:21.900 --> 01:32:22.340
all that.

01:32:22.540 --> 01:32:23.900
So, that's all I got.

01:32:24.480 --> 01:32:25.460
Yeah, I second that.

01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:29.040
And that GBPPRCOLMNOR

01:32:29.040 --> 01:32:30.320
through D2 or whatever.

01:32:31.020 --> 01:32:31.420
Yeah.

01:32:31.620 --> 01:32:32.400
I don't...

01:32:32.400 --> 01:32:33.320
The thing is,

01:32:33.660 --> 01:32:35.640
they contradict themselves.

01:32:35.900 --> 01:32:36.740
My issue with them

01:32:36.740 --> 01:32:37.900
is simply on one page

01:32:37.900 --> 01:32:39.520
they have us linked as noobs

01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:40.880
and then on another page

01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:41.960
they list us as a great

01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:43.960
printed alternative to 2600

01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.280
who they also hate, apparently.

01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:46.820
So, I don't know what

01:32:46.820 --> 01:32:47.880
I don't know what their deal is.

01:32:47.900 --> 01:32:48.600
I mean, to be very clear,

01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:50.300
they have good schematics

01:32:50.300 --> 01:32:51.360
for radio projects

01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:52.900
and that's all I know about them.

01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:53.840
Yeah, I don't know

01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:54.500
what their deal is.

01:32:54.540 --> 01:32:55.700
I don't know if they hate us or not,

01:32:55.780 --> 01:32:56.940
but either way, I don't care.

01:32:57.120 --> 01:32:57.440
Fuck them.

01:32:58.280 --> 01:32:59.240
Alright, so,

01:32:59.360 --> 01:33:00.400
that's going to be it.

01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:02.260
So, again, Not Theory,

01:33:02.440 --> 01:33:03.040
thank you.

01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:04.940
And everybody listening,

01:33:05.120 --> 01:33:06.840
we will see you again next week.

01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:07.700
Ow!

01:33:08.140 --> 01:33:09.840
Same hack time!

01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:12.820
Same hack channel!

01:33:16.820 --> 01:33:33.500
Have you ever had a lot of

01:33:33.500 --> 01:34:03.480
Thank you.

01:34:03.500 --> 01:34:33.480
Thank you.

01:34:33.500 --> 01:35:03.480
Thank you.

01:35:03.500 --> 01:35:05.500
Thank you.

01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:35.500
Thank you.

01:36:03.500 --> 01:36:05.500
Thank you.