This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs
of you in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the
net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,
on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm
a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps, you need some ISO, let me through
my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught
the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's
all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle
in your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ, leave your fight on
your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and
crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial code, source code, ISO,
RANS, SIP, SIS, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, this is dedicated to the hackers
are you ready to OMG rock, welcome to binary revolution radio episode 93, coming to you
on April 26, 2005, I am stank dog, and I am not very back after a long sabbatical, and we
are going to rock you tonight, but, rock soar you, we are going to rock soar your sock soars
and your box soars, oh, watch the boxer talk, oh yeah, well I'm, hey, I'm only going sack
free from now on buddy, oh yeah, alright, so let's jump into the housekeeping this morning,
I am not gonna make it, how many times have we had to stop and restart this show because
you keep making me laugh, okay, I think this is, I think this is retry 93 of episode 93,
we've been on the phone for about six hours now, oh my goodness, we got so many outtakes
I don't even record them anymore, alright, anyway, yes, let's take care of some housekeeping,
first thing to, first thing to announce this week, stop it, is that, for those of you who
don't know, we have made some changes to our official IRC server, we switched from Esprinet
over to Dalnet, so, yes, irc.dal.net sometimes acts kind of noobish, will not exactly connect
you always, so pick a specific server, and I put a specific server on the link to the
website that will connect you through the Florida server, which is the most reliable one
that I found, maybe because it's in Florida, I don't know, but anyway, so far it's been,
you know, people are resistant to change, I know people are like, why are we leaving Esprinet?
Well, because Esprinet sucks, Esprinet doesn't let us have bots and a lot of other things we
like to run, we like to have some F-serve for people to get the shows off of it, some other
things we're working on right now, some statistics that we're going to watch on it, so it's going
to be kind of fun, some other things we're going to do, and Dalnet is, the more important
thing is that Dalnet's a larger audience, there's a lot more people on there, a lot of other
channels, and people have a tendency to idle in multiple channels at one time, so you can
kind of cross over, hopefully we'll get some walk-in traffic from other channels and they
will find out about BinRev and start listening to the show, visiting the site, etc, etc, it's
all about spreading the word and sharing and getting more people involved, so, you know,
being on Esprinet, while it may work fine for now and everything, it just really kind
of feels, I don't know, snobby or exclusive, like we're somehow trying to exclude ourselves
that you have to be on Esprinet or you're not cool or something, I don't want to give
that vibe or that feeling, so, going over to Dalnet, and that is the official IRC server
and channel is PoundBinRev, and that's where all the DDP members are hanging out regularly,
we're all making a conscious effort to idle there, if we're not there chatting a lot,
but you know what, I mean, at any given time, there's usually at least four or five or six
of us there, at least idling, so, I mean, with our different schedules, you're bound to find
one or all of us online at any given time, so, it's been pretty fun the first week or so
here, so, if you want to drop in and ask us questions or comment on the show or something
like that, feel free to do it, and we have updated the website that all you've got to
do is click on it, it'll fire up your IRC client of choice and connect you where you need to
go, so, that is the first thing, and a quick shout at the beginning to, I hope this is Gelata
or Gelata, I would say Gelata, Gelata, who made the graphics change for us, so, the front
site, he updated the font a little bit, changed the server to Dalnet for us, so, thanks and
shouts to him for that, and, um, not theory, do you have any, uh, housekeeping for Bell's
mind, you've made a lot of, we can't go housekeeping from, like, the last time you were on the show
because it's been so long and you've made so many changes, but is there anything, like,
recently that jumps off your head, you want to think of anything, there's a couple of
things that are, like, right in the pipe, they're so close to being released, but they're
not quite there yet, so, I would hold off on that, um, I've added, you know, the latest
spin rev shows for, for a stint there on the PBX, I had forgotten to, uh, to do the
shows for, like, you know, like, two months or something like that, somebody brought it
to my attention and I, I updated them all, so that's all set up now, the Bell's mind
bot is back online, um, I don't know if I talked about that last time, the, uh, the aim
bot had gone offline a couple of times, it still does some weird stuff, uh, you know, I
just don't have the time to really maintain it too much, but it should be back online as
we speak right now, so, I think, uh, I think that's the most important stuff, I don't think
I've added anything, uh, too insanely cool, oh, there's a, there's an indicator that will
now show if people are hanging out on the, uh, Bell's mind 666 conference, that's, that's
like the default conference where people, you know, go in and hang out and maybe branch off
to other conferences from there, but that's the public one that everybody knows about,
so if you go to the, the main page, bellsmind.net, and you see that the logo is green, or, like,
you know, the Bell's mind logo is filled in in green, that means the people are on the
conference, also, if you go to the page where it shows you the people, the numbers people
have recently submitted, it also will say there is, there are people on the 666 conference,
or there are not people on the 666 conference, and it updates whenever you reload the page,
so, if you don't want to dial in, you're cheap, you got a calling card or something like
that, you don't want to waste your minutes, uh, calling in if nobody's there, that's what
you can check.
I think that, that's an awesome feature, I think that's very cool.
Yeah, it's okay.
I like it, I think it's cool.
Not as cool, however, as our email theme music.
All right, so, stop.
Okay, terrific.
You're going to make me laugh right through the theme music.
All right, our first, we got a lot of email again this week, so we're going to try to
get through this as quickly as humanly possible, let's see how, all right, so let me keep an
eye on the clock here, our first email this week comes from Booter, Booter says, I have
two questions, when, among some other things, I, I, I have to trim some of these emails down
a little bit to the, to the parts that I think are worth reading on the air, that I think
might interest people, so, uh, he says, I have two questions, when is the social engineering
show coming up, and when can you get Alonka on another show?
I've been looking at some fairly easy codes now, and I can already begin to crack the messages
before I get done reading the original encrypted message.
Props to Simon Sings, the code book, for writing a badass book.
Booter, uh, thank you for the email again, and, um, I will try to get Alonka on the show
again, I actually haven't spoken to her in a while, so I need to give her a call anyway,
and, uh, see if I can get her on again soon, um, that was a very popular show, and a lot
of people liked her being on the show, so we'll, we'll try to do a follow-up with that.
Uh, as far as the engineering, social engineering show, that one's a little bit tougher, because
it's just such an all-encompassing topic, social engineering is not something that can
be taught in one sitting, I can't, you know, you can sit down and learn a certain programming
topic, you can sit down and learn a certain router configuration, or, or just about any
kind of technical topic, but social engineering is just one of those things that takes a lot
of practice, and a lot of general common sense techniques that you just can't cover everything
in one show, so I'm trying to think, yeah, I'm trying to think, and social engineering
is also a lot of making mistakes, you have to be willing to put yourself on the line,
and try to social engineer somebody, and make a mistake, so that you can learn from it later
on, because you're not going to make every single call perfectly, you're just going to
have to learn how to deal with it, so, there's a lot of that.
Absolutely, and people who've listened to the previous, uh, telephonic craptaculars have
heard a few of the failures, and a few of the successes, so, um, but yeah, and I'm
trying to come up with a way to approach that topic, and cover it as, as, as much as possible,
and I don't know that it'll be a one show thing, maybe multiple show, and I have a very
specific idea in line, actually, I am going to try to get that done within the next, eh,
ten episodes or so, so keep an eye out for that.
Alright, next email comes from Havoc.
Havoc, Havoc, of course, who is a long-time big fan of default radio, but anyway, Havoc
says, among a lot of other things, but, uh, he asks, are there any rights to use this
logo or symbol, BR, and BR, of course, the Binary Revolution logo that you see on the
front of the magazines, and the website, et cetera, et cetera.
Well, that's the break tag in HTML, so we can't really, you know, really claim too much
of a copyright or anything like that, intellectual property, however, we could, you know, I guess
push for trademark, trade symbol for the way that we use it, but no, absolutely not, I
mean, it's silly, that's, that logo, just like everything else on our site, the radio
show, the articles and stuff that I write, anything that we put out there, I put out there
anyway, falls under that same Creative Commons license, and you can find it on the website,
on any of the pages, on the bottom right-hand side, you can click on it, Creative Commons,
attribution, non-commercial, no derivative works, license, but basically it says, you're
free to use it, just don't make any money, you can use it, you can put it on whatever
you want, just don't sell it, don't make any money, and don't claim that it's yours, give
us credit that it's our logo, because we want you to, you know, link to us, use it for graphics,
use it for wallpaper, use it for whatever, link back to us, if you're going to make up
like a, a new website called, body repair or something, and use the BR logo, that would
kind of suck, you know, hope we wouldn't use it for that, but yeah, if you want to use it
for any kind of links, wallpaper, reference back to us, you know, whatever, yeah, we're
pretty much open with it, just don't make money, and don't claim that it's you, that's
all we really ask out of it.
So, yeah, and that includes, you can make stuff with it, you know, it's like, just try
to keep us in the loop, and if there is a question, email, email us and ask us, for the
most part, we're not worried about it, we don't make money off of it, we just don't
want anybody else to, I think that's not too much to ask.
So, yes, that is the answer to that.
Um, why don't you, uh, read the next email for us, not theory, if you will, let me give
my, my voice a break after that rock and roll intro.
Oh, yeah, man, our metal voices are just taking it out of us.
Um, yeah, I'll give it a shot, I'm not really sure, I didn't remember how to read, but I'll
give it a whirl here.
All right.
So, this email is from Alex X, is that the, Alex, Alex X, he says, hi, I've been listening
to your show and really enjoying it.
In your 91st episode, you mentioned Windows 2003 server and some shit about it.
I got a copy from this, uh, certification company, uh, they have some setup where their
copy doesn't really check licensing, they have one copy and can install it on as many
machines as they want.
They then feed back to Microsoft about how many computers are using it and pay up.
Uh, Windows 2000 server, volume license.
So, we got this copy, five minutes on Google, gave me a fully working license on my first
go, no checking, no phoning home, Windows 2003 is shit on drivers, most shit works on it,
but there are no actual drivers that exist for it, uh, I guess he means outside of the
default install.
Um, I managed to get my hardware working on it, but I was lucky with old and generic hardware.
Uh, have fun, 2003 is a cool piece of software, not as powerful as Unix, but the GUI stuff
really gives it an edge.
Anyway, nice show.
So, all right, well, thank you, Alex X, um, and for those of you who didn't listen, I
think, uh, one or two shows ago, well, actually, I think it was more than that, I mentioned
that I, uh, installed Windows 2003 server on one of my boxen, and basically the only reason
is because I'm studying the MCDBA, uh, track, the Microsoft Certified Database Administrator,
and part of that track is that you have to learn either Windows 2000 or 2003 server.
So, I'm doing it because it's part of my certification path, and because I don't mind learning, I like
learning new stuff, no matter what it is, um, so I throw it on the box, and I actually
want to, not only do I want to do it to learn it, I'd actually like to set it up and use
it as a domain controller, and yada, yada, yada, authenticate against it.
Well, see, the thing is, I don't know how long I'm going to be at this particular job.
Oh, man, that's your fucking story of your life, dude.
Yeah, I know, that's the, that's the, I figured I wanted my own license, so I went and got
a legal copy of it.
Um, the thing is, with those site licenses, the company that you got that from, even if
you did go out and get a key, I suspect, and I've heard a lot of things, especially about
the server 2003, even more so than 2000, it does report back to Microsoft.
I don't know how closely they monitor it or watch it, but for our site license, for example,
even if I did take it home, when I activate it, they have that activation process they
started a while back, it reports back, and it has an activation code tied to it, and
they know whose license it is.
Now, I don't know what crack you used, if it maybe does bypass that somehow, but somebody
probably is going to end up paying for that copy of it.
And if it's that agent certification company or whatever that you're talking about, they're
probably going to end up paying for it somehow, even if you used a key, a different key.
When it activates, I think it's got enough information in there to uniquely identify it
these days.
I, I could be wrong.
I, do you know anything about that in our theory?
Is that...
I really, honestly, I'm so out of the window scene, I have no clue about anything anymore.
Yeah, I, I really, really think that they monitor that really closely these days, really
closely.
So, now the second part to that is the company in question that does have that, especially
if it's a larger company, they may not notice one extra box or five extra boxes or whatever
on it.
So, anyway, be careful, but frankly, I got a licensed copy, and you know, the bottom line
about software is, I think you'll agree with me on this.
Whether it's an operating system, or a game, or anything, you got, there's basically three
steps you can take with software.
You can either, A, pay what they're asking, and shut the fuck up about it.
It's either worth it or it's not.
You'll pay for it or you won't.
Or, B, you find a cheaper alternative.
There are alternative software out there.
There's open source software, there's free, there's just cheaper versions.
You know, there's not only one Microsoft Office.
There's Open Office, there's Star Office, there's WordPerfect Suite, there's Ami, is AmiPro
still around, I don't know, there's tons of them.
There's always options.
So, get a cheaper, different, or free one.
Or, you know, as we've said many times, write your own.
Roll your own software.
Absolutely.
Go out to SourceForge and modify something that already exists if you have to.
But, I mean, those are really your three options.
I guess you have to acknowledge the fourth option of getting a pirated copy, but I can't
come out and condone and endorse that.
I don't.
I don't condone piracy.
I really don't.
I've got to tell you, there's not really all that much proprietary pay software that
I think is so good that I would need to use anyway.
So, I mean, I've found free alternatives to pretty much everything I need.
Now, my needs as a programmer probably don't match up everybody else, of course, but I
don't know.
The Microsoft products that I've seen, they're just not worth paying for at all.
Yeah, and that's a good point.
And if the software is just poorly written, like some Microsoft is, let's admit, some
of it I like, but some of it's not, or ridiculously priced, you know, then I just choose not to
support it.
Right.
If it's just so ridiculously, or it's not very well done, don't buy it.
Period.
Right.
Just don't support it.
That's your option.
And exactly.
When I say that this Microsoft software is not worth buying, I don't mean it's worth pirating.
It's not worth using.
Yes.
Because it's terrible.
It's just not worth having.
You're right.
Yeah.
That's what I mean when I say it's not worth buying.
Yeah.
Because you do have to buy it.
And luckily, more people are taking that stance and looking at it from that point of view,
and that's what's pushing the open source movement.
That's why it's got a big resurgence, if you will, of, frankly, it is, if you want to think
of the old term freeware from back in the day, shareware and freeware, open source software
is kind of a freeware thing, you know, to a certain extent, as long as you're not using
it for, you know, you have to look at each individual license.
But for the most part, it's open source because they want you to use it, so you can take it
and do whatever you want with it, so more people do seem to be looking at it from that
point of view and writing their own stuff or finding alternatives, so that's what's
making good software come back.
That's why there's a revival of lots of software and lots of people working on software right
now, so I think that's really cool.
All right, let me do this next email here from Unity.
Unity says, in episode 83, Lucky and Doug were arguing about caller ID.
This is one of the episodes that Lucky and Doug hosted.
Yeah, yeah, I heard this one.
Okay, I can't remember if it was Lucky or Doug, but one of them mentioned, quote, fixing,
end quote, caller ID by taking it out of band.
Sounds a lot like making a consumer version of Annie.
I doubt people would go for that, but then again, that's what marketing is for.
I don't understand why the argument for caller ID.
CID is good, that's just my two cents.
Anyway, you guys have a good show.
I recommend people listen to your show whenever I can.
But that's mostly just because it's really one of the only shows where I can hear people
saying things like Leet and Fajir on the radio.
Oh, and the fact that I can hear old episodes on Bell's mind, how appropriate is that comment
when you're on the show, is awesome.
Thank you, Eulette, for that email.
This is a Leet email, and I Fajir it.
I am Fajiring the Fajirness of the Eliteness.
We speak Leet, that would make a good t-shirt slogan.
I speak Leet, therefore I am Leet.
Oh my God.
What a great t-shirt that would be.
You know somebody's going to be selling that at DEF CON now, without your permission.
And it'll be black.
White letters on a black shirt.
Because that's the cheapest thing you can get.
No way, man.
We're going to make hacker shirts that are pink shirts with blue text.
Sky blue.
Like polka dots and purple and green.
Oh yeah.
And beanies with propellers on the top.
Oh, definitely.
Motorized propellers.
That way you don't have to get out of your chair to make it move.
We'll make the little hats where you put the beer cans in the side of it with the straw.
Oh man, those are the best.
We'll put the BinRev logo on it, though.
Yeah.
Now we can have it the Beer Revolution hat.
There we go.
B-R, baby.
Beer Revolution.
All right, what about this caller?
Caller ID comment here.
Okay, okay.
I think, I remember when they were talking about this, and Lucky was saying that Caller ID
is broken and useless, and I think, Doug, if I have it correctly, I think Doug said that
eventually somebody will come out with a new Caller ID box that works in a different way
so that people can't mess with it anymore.
Now, the way I look at it is, first of all, Caller ID is not being messed with between the
central office and your phone, unless you're using, like, an orange box.
If somebody's spoofing Caller ID, they're spoofing it before it even gets to your, you know,
before it gets to your Caller ID box.
Caller ID box is not doing the work.
It's the phone switch.
So fixing your Caller ID box is not going to matter.
They have to fix the actual phone switches.
So when somebody passes it, a bogus CPN or ANI, whatever you want to call it, everyone's
got a different name for it.
Now, whenever you pass it, a bogus one of those, their way to fix it is they'd have to
do some homework and try to figure out if it looks legit, and if it does, pass it through.
If it doesn't, then do out of area.
There's been rumors that Verizon is doing this in some areas already.
They're looking at it, trying to figure out if it's legit, and throwing it away if it's not.
So that's how you could fix Caller ID.
But as far as fixing it on the customer end, I don't think anything needs to be done
because I don't think the customer end of it's broken.
But, yeah, I agree.
Caller ID is good.
You know, Lucky always says that, you know, you can't depend on it, so why even bother?
You know, sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
You know, it's just like anything else, you've got to deal with it.
Yeah, well, your typical...
It's not perfect.
Yeah, your typical average everyday person can depend on it.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
And I feel that way.
Doug feels that way.
Lucky doesn't.
But, you know, he's got his points, though.
I guess Lucky hangs out with a lot of people that spoof Caller ID.
So, you know, for him it's probably not as valuable.
But, you know, for my parents, you know, my parents' friends don't spoof Caller ID.
They could, theoretically, but they don't.
So, it's not an issue for them.
Well, they could use one of those new online services that are popping up everywhere that
let you dial a number and buy some minutes, you know, those things.
Yeah, yeah, you could use one of those.
But most, the majority of people in the United States, if you look, percentage-wise, people
who use phones versus people who use Caller ID spoofing, I'm sure that the percentage of
people who use phones that use both are very small.
You know, it's not like 50% of people are using these services.
Because if they were, then the people making these services would be fucking billionaires
at this point.
And they're not, I don't think.
Hmm.
So, but in any case, yeah, Caller ID is definitely worthwhile.
And if somebody spoofs their Caller ID to you, and it looks like your parents are calling
or something like that, and it's really some guy who's harassing you about something, you
fucking hang up.
Yeah, you've still got that.
And then when your parents call you back two seconds later, you say, oh, it's probably
this guy spoofing the number again.
I'll let it go to voicemail.
You know.
Hmm.
It's a cat and mouse game, and I don't want to, like, lay down and play dead.
Sometimes Caller ID works, as it doesn't.
So, I'm not just going to give up on it entirely.
Good response to that.
Man, you know what?
We've got not only that, we've already had a couple emails that were, like, perfectly suited
for you to answer, and I think there's some more coming up.
I just wanted to say to Unity that I appreciate the feedback on the old episodes on Bell's Mind.
As far as I know, there's only one person who listens to it, and it's Whitesword.
I keep it up to date for Whitesword, because he asks me about it all the time.
He's like, oh, are you going to have the new episode?
He's not, like, harassing me about it.
But he asks me about it all the time.
So, I put it up for him.
But now that I know that two people are using it, maybe I'll stay more on top of it.
As far as I can tell, nobody's really using it other than you guys.
So, if anybody else is using it out there, email me and let me know.
So, I'll, you know, keep up on it and not let it fall behind like it did.
Email you at?
Oh, let me think.
ntheory at bellsmind.net.
Okay.
Probably.
All right.
And what about, shouldn't the podcast, shouldn't that help you a lot?
Can't you grab the podcast, which is updated, you know, pretty much immediately, and grab
the show from there and, like, automate it so you're hands off, you don't have to remember?
You know something?
I talked to somebody about this a while.
I don't remember if it was you or maybe Natish.
We were talking about podcasting and doing something like that.
I just haven't gotten around to doing it.
You know, I'm aware of podcasting.
I know, you know, what it's all about.
But I'm not really into it with a point where I can just hammer out a script real quick
and have it all done.
I mean, I'm sure if I sat down for, like, an hour, I could probably do it.
I just haven't been motivated.
You know, I go into the server, you know, once a week or something like that and do maintenance,
and conveniently, your shows come out once a week.
So, you know, I do a bunch of stuff, and at the same time, I download the show and update it.
You don't even, you won't have to sit down an hour.
You'll sit down five minutes.
It's super simple.
But anyway.
Okay, fair enough.
So, I'm reading this next email from Luminaire, I think is how that's pronounced.
I think so.
And he says,
Hey, Stank, I've really been enjoying the show lately.
You've always had interesting content, but the more recent shows have had much better content,
technically speaking, that has really made it much more enjoyable.
In regards to your brief conversation about data centers in Episode 90,
there's a forum on DSL reports that is nothing but photos of big iron broadband gear at data centers.
Oh, yeah.
Or and data centers.
Hope you enjoy.
Okay, www.dslreports.com slash forum slash bbphotos.
I was going to save you having to read that, and I tiny URL'd it.
Ah, okay.
Well, now I can read the tiny URL, too.
Okay.
Tinyurl.com forward slash lowercase bsh8w.
Yeah, and now see, now, and this is a good, you didn't realize I was going to go here,
but the way you pronounce that is a great segue into some fun I actually had from this email,
which, thank you for the email, of course, but I actually started playing around because of this email.
First of all, I went there and looked at some of the pictures, and actually, let's talk about that before I go into my little,
because I had some fun with this.
But before we do, did you hear Episode 90 when we were talking about just, to me, I know it's really corny,
and this is just a geek thing, to me, it really is a beautiful thing to see a nice, big, clean data center with the server.
Not, and I don't mean seeing a bunch of Dell servers or a rack mount.
I mean going in and seeing sun boxes and AS400s and mainframes, raised floors and halon systems and alarms
and under, checking for water leaks and air condition control, that's just, when it's done right, it's a thing of beauty.
It's a work of art to me, and I love it.
Oh, I totally agree.
Have you seen, have you got any good stories of some that you've been to or you've seen?
Well, I've been in a couple of data centers.
I have, you know, the Bell's Mine machine is located in Virginia.
I got to check out that data center.
That was more kind of the run-of-the-mill data center.
You know, like you said, a lot of Dell machines, a lot of rack mount stuff,
but also like shelves that had, you know, just regular full-size machines on it, some XPCs in there.
It was an interesting mix of stuff.
I've also got co-location in Manhattan at this 55 Broad Street,
which is pretty popular for people in Manhattan to co-locate at.
That place was very cool.
That place was more like no bullshit, like serious machines, you know, like five U-boxes,
just stuffed full of hard drives everywhere.
You know, dropped floors, all that kind of stuff.
And, you know, just hardware lying all around it.
These guys are like, you know, they're ordering machines for people.
So they've got, they had a whole room full of empty boxes from computers.
It must have been a hundred empty boxes of these computers that they were putting together.
They had fucking terabytes of hard drives just laying on this table waiting to be installed.
Like, cool stuff like that is interesting.
Keep talking.
It's interesting to me.
So I've been in a couple data centers like that, definitely.
Keep talking.
I'm getting aroused.
Oh, yeah, baby.
Actually, I'll tell you the coolest data center I've ever been in.
My previous job, I was doing some video processing stuff,
and I got to go to the Cablevision head end in Manhattan.
Now, that place has some fucking seriously cool hardware.
They have real-time MPEG-2 video encoders for their digital channels.
They have huge banks of hard drives for their video-on-demand services.
We got to see how all that stuff ties together.
And they have, you know, huge co-ax runs all the way up to the roof where they have satellite dishes.
And it's just that kind of stuff is awesome.
That is not like regular, you know, co-location and web hosting type stuff.
That is real serious hardware that's got to be up 24 hours a day, you know,
so that everybody can watch all these channels.
We could watch channels being fed to Brooklyn, Manhattan, the Bronx.
We could see, like, every single piece of hardware that it went through mapped out on this computer.
And where it was going and when hardware was, like, flaky or about to fail
and automatic failover and that kind of stuff.
That stuff is awesome.
I was really down with that.
And the ones that have, like, a nice control center where you have, like, your main consoles
and access to everything from one spot and sometimes a nice big screen with a map of everything
and what's up and down and stuff like that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This had all that kind of stuff.
We could even watch and see on their video-on-demand.
And they had a regular setup for their video encoders to tell them, like,
which ones are encoding which channels and all that stuff.
But they had a new system they had just set up that we were checking out that showed their video-on-demand stuff.
And we could actually watch and see on the screen as people were requesting shows what was being requested.
So that was very cool stuff.
And they were building another new room that had just flat panels all along the wall
where they could watch all kinds of stuff.
Like, they were getting video feeds from all around the country
and they could watch when stuff was coming in
and where different demand in Manhattan was for different shows
and, you know, the bandwidth for people's cable modems and stuff,
because that stuff went through the same head end.
The bandwidth spikes for cable modems in different regions of Manhattan,
it was just awesome.
Pay-per-view bukkake?
What's that?
Pay-per-view bukkake?
Oh, there was tons of that.
Oh, yeah.
They have 20 terabits of bandwidth dedicated to that.
Oh, that's sweet.
That is sweet.
And you're just going to put a negative one and you're set.
Yeah, it's not only the actual computers and systems,
but it's the whole package.
Seeing the UPS and you're like,
holy cow, look at the size of that UPS.
You know, look at the power and the backup generators
and just all the other actually machine room type stuff
that goes along with it as well.
And one of the little things,
if you ever do have an opportunity to go visit one of these,
or look for one nearby and ask for a tour or something like that if you can.
One of the things, and again, this is a geek thing,
one of the little things that I appreciated is,
if you can, most of them also have a nice raised floor,
and you don't think about it until you really look,
go out of your way to look for it,
but you'll notice you don't see any wires coming out of these,
so very few of them are ice and organized,
especially if you see a big switch,
like a phone switching and stuff like that,
when you've got the cables are all tied nice and clean
and color coordinated,
and oh, that's a beautiful thing.
But follow them where they go under that raised floor,
grab those little suction cup things,
lift a section of the floor up,
and look underneath of it.
That's a beautiful, beautiful sight to me.
All those cables running wild under there,
it is just a jungle,
an electronic jungle going underneath there.
And when you stick your head under there,
you'll feel, and Fajir,
the cold breeze,
the cold breeze that blows underneath of there,
that's being circulated.
It's just beautiful.
It really is an amazing sight.
Yeah, the data centers that I've been in,
like you walk in,
and you're just freezing right away.
It doesn't matter what time of year it is,
because the ones,
except for the Cablevision head end,
that was,
I think that was on like the 14th floor
of some building in Manhattan.
But the other ones that I've been to
have all been in the basement
of different buildings,
or the sub-basement,
or in 55 Broad Street,
I think it's a sub-basement.
You know, it's like three stories
or four stories underground,
and they are just freezing.
If you're not going in there
with like a sweater
in the middle of the summer,
you're screwed.
Yeah, when I worked in some data centers,
and I could go in there
for three or four minutes,
and like if I had to go do something quick
at the console,
or change some tapes,
or just go type a couple quick commands,
you're all right.
But if you're going to be in there
more than that,
oh yeah,
I kept a jacket in my office,
or my cubicle,
I should say.
I had a Cubeland thing going on.
Keep a jacket in your cube,
you know,
24-7.
You just kept one on there
because if you're going to go in there
for any length of time,
you've got to have a jacket.
Definitely.
All right,
but anyway,
back to the fun I had
from this email
was actually with tiny URLs,
not exactly related to the email.
But because what I like to do
for the listeners,
I just heard a strange sound
from the phone.
I hope you're still there.
Yeah, I'm still here.
Okay.
This was kind of a long URL,
which Not Theory already read for you,
but I tiny URL'd this,
but I did not like
the tiny URL it created,
and Not Theory hesitated,
I don't know if you realize it,
when he read it
because he wanted to make sure
he enunciated
because the tiny URL it created
was B as in boy,
S as in Sam,
but then it was H as in Henry,
and the number 8,
and then a W as in William.
Well, that H and the 8,
the number,
are very close together,
and especially on the radio,
if you don't enunciate clearly,
which he did,
it could be easily confused,
and I didn't want to,
I wanted a new one.
I didn't like the one
that it gave me.
So, I learned something
about tiny URL
and started playing around with this.
I didn't like that link
that it gave me,
so I went right back
to the same site
and created another tiny URL
off the same thing,
and I found out
something that I didn't know,
maybe you didn't,
I know you like tiny URL a lot,
but I don't know
if you've ever been faced with this,
but when I put in
that same URL,
it gave me the same tiny URL.
It's actually smart enough,
and this is great
from an administrative standpoint,
from a design standpoint.
It gave me
the same tiny URL again.
It didn't generate a new one.
It was smart enough
to search its database,
and obviously key on that URL
that I sent it
to find that there was
the one that already exists.
Now, people who aren't
familiar with tiny URL,
it will take any URL
you give it
and give it a short URL,
tinyurl.com slash,
and then a five-character number.
Well, and they don't expire.
They never expire,
according to them.
So, it keeps them.
So, this thing searches
through the database,
realizes that it's already
been made once before,
and it gives you
the tiny URL
that already exists.
I never thought about it before,
but when you create
a tiny URL sometimes,
it may not be generating it.
It may be pulling it
from a database
from someone else
who already generated it.
Yeah, actually,
when I first found out
about tiny URL,
I did come across this,
and it was because
I was trying to find
as many ways as I could
to trick this particular person
that I was friends with
at the time
into going to www.goatse.cx.
Right.
And tiny URL at the time
was not big.
Like, it had just started up,
at least from what I could tell.
Maybe it was there earlier,
but I had just started
hearing about it from people.
So I was like,
hmm, how am I going to
trick this guy into doing it?
So I sent him a tiny URL
that pointed to it.
And then he's like,
ha, ha, ha, very funny, whatever.
He went to it and got tricked.
But then I went back to it again
to try to generate another,
and exactly what you said happened.
I got the same tiny URL.
Interesting.
I think back then
you could trick it
by slapping junk
on the end of the URL,
like a question mark
or something
that wouldn't affect the URL.
Exactly.
And that's exactly
what I'm getting ready
to talk about
is that you can
absolutely still do that.
Oh, you can.
Okay.
I figured maybe
they had changed it
so that you couldn't
do some simple stuff anymore
to get around that.
Right.
Some stuff it does not allow you.
It has to be something
that doesn't actually change
the final location
of the URL.
It has to still end up there.
And a question mark,
I didn't particularly try that,
but that probably would work
because it's going to
basically ignore it.
because it's not
a valid character.
It should ignore it
and just use the rest of it.
But what I did
is just adding an extra slash
on the end of it.
Oh, okay.
If it's just a directory,
you can get away.
And that's what this was.
So I just put an extra slash
because we know that
it treats that
as just a redundant
forward slash.
So it won't go anywhere
or it won't redirect it
or anything like that.
You could also put in
a dot slash
if you've read
my directory transversal article
in Binary Revolution Magazine
2.1,
pimp, pimp.
You'd realize there's
a lot of other ways
to point to it.
And basically,
that's what I found out.
You can throw
an extra backslash.
Again, maybe a question mark
as you said.
And yes,
it goes to the exact
same place,
but TinyURL
is not smart enough
to acknowledge that.
It treats it
as though it has
one extra character
and it is doing
a literal
field-to-field comparison.
And if it doesn't
match literally
to the first URL
that has the extra slash,
it will generate
a new URL for you,
a new TinyURL for you.
Yeah, well,
you know,
parking URLs is a real pain.
So I think they're better off
doing it the way
that they do it.
Yeah, like I said,
it's definitely a great idea
from their side
from a design standpoint.
And it's kind of interesting
to think that,
you know,
that Goatsea link
that you made,
someone else probably
made 500 times before you.
You're all getting
the same one,
you just don't even know it.
Exactly.
So it's kind of interesting
to think about that.
Just for proof of concept,
if people want to see
exactly what I'm talking about,
the first TinyURL I gave
was BSH8W.
I also,
just as proof of concept,
made three more
A-G,
I'm sorry,
is that a G or a Q?
That's a Q.
A-Q,
S-S-4,
then D-F,
D-G-7,
and finally,
D-P-T-H-C.
Go look at all three of those.
It'll tell you
the original URL
if you look those up.
I think it will, actually.
Maybe I should correct me.
I'm not sure
if it will show you that.
I think it'll show you
the original URL.
It'll definitely take you
to the resulting site,
and if you look in the URL
up in the nav bar,
you will see
what it took you to,
and you will see
different ones
for each one of those.
You'll end up at the same place
because, like I said,
it doesn't affect anything,
but it does give you
a unique number.
So if you do need it for,
like,
because I had a valid reason.
It's hard for me
to read that on the air
and enunciate properly,
so I had a valid reason for it.
So, again,
the article in
Binary Revolution magazine
about directory transversal,
there's some crossover topics,
the same thought process,
some of the same things
I explained in there.
You'll understand why
they can be used
in other ways.
But understanding that
can get you
a lot of other things.
It opens your mind
to a lot of other possibilities,
and this is one of them.
So, yeah, that's the...
It actually reminds me
of something.
If I could just step in here
really quickly.
Sure.
I don't remember
where I saw it,
but I saw an article recently
about security
and generating...
You know, people pick...
People usually pick
really dumb passwords.
You know, they pick, like,
their dog's name
or something like that.
Password, God, Sex, and Secret.
What's that?
Password, God, Sex, and Secret.
Oh, dude,
why did you have to
drop my password?
Wasn't that from hackers?
Wasn't that the four
most commonly used
passwords or something?
Anyway.
I think it was
Sex, Love, and Secret.
Or God, I don't know
what that was.
I don't remember either.
Anyway.
But this article
was talking about
how people usually
choose really bad passwords.
So some system administrators
randomly generate passwords
and give them to users
and make them, you know,
force them to remember them.
They say it's a bad thing
because people end up
writing these passwords down
and, you know,
or forgetting them entirely
and having to have them
reset all the time.
So what some system administrators
were doing was
they were generating
a bunch of random passwords
and you could select
from a list
and say,
I can remember this one
most easily.
Right.
Which is a little bit
better idea,
but this new guy
was talking about
generating a random string
but that had words
that made sense.
Like it was kind of
like a sentence
of just random words
slapped together
so it'd be easier
to remember.
Like it'd be easier
for you to remember,
you know,
the quick brown fox
jumped something,
one of those types of sentences.
It's easier to remember
something like that
than whatever that URL was,
B-S-H-A-W.
Right.
So this guy was saying
the best way to do it
is to just generate
like a random sentence
maybe with some numbers
or something in it
and then let people
choose that.
Your passwords are longer
but it's easier
for people to remember
and they don't have to
keep getting their passwords
reset.
So I think if somebody
came out with a tiny URL
that generated something
that was a little more
readable
and pronounceable
and I think
that some tiny URLs
have a mix of case
of letters
like sometimes
there's an uppercase
letter in there somewhere.
No, you can't have
mixed case in a URL,
can you?
Well, yeah,
I guess obviously
you have to.
Yeah.
That's right,
you can't have it
in the domain name
but you absolutely
can have it in the path.
Right,
and I think,
don't quote me on this
but I think that
I've seen tiny URLs
that have like one
uppercase letter in it
or something like that.
I think it's a bad idea.
But I think if somebody
came out with a tiny URL
competitor or whatever,
it's not like they
charge money for it
but something like
a tiny URL that generated
something that was
a little easier to remember,
I think it'd be
more successful.
I know a lot of people
use tiny URL
but they run into
the same problem
that you're saying.
It's hard to pronounce them,
it's hard to remember them,
so I don't know.
Maybe that's something
I'll do out of boredom
one day.
I was going to say,
it's absolutely not
that difficult.
It really isn't.
Super simple,
actually.
I'm actually going to
commit on the show
to doing that.
Uh-oh.
Another one?
Oh, yeah.
This will take
half an hour.
I was going to say,
this is a 30-minute...
If it takes any longer
than that,
you can kick me
out of the group.
I was going to say,
that's a 30-minute
project, seriously.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, yeah,
I guess let's move on
to another email.
Now that I've taught
everybody how to
DOS tiny URL...
Nice, I'm doing it
right now.
I actually just wrote
a Perl script while
I was going through
that whole tirade
about not being able
to read tiny URLs.
I'm DOSing them
right now.
Write a little
Perl script,
just regex and keep
appending a slash
on the end of it.
Use a little recursion
to keep extending it.
Oh, yeah.
It's over.
All right, anyway,
please don't do that
because we like tiny URL.
No, if you need
the script to do that,
email me.
I'll send it to you.
All right, damn it.
Why'd you say that?
All right, next email.
Let's see.
You want to do this?
No, I'll do this one.
This is a long one.
I'll read this one.
Oh, God.
Yeah, this email
is from Sefron.
Sefran?
Sefron.
Sefron, I think.
All right, Sefron.
It says,
Dears, thank dog
and not theory.
It doesn't say that,
but whatever.
For the past few shows,
it says co-host.
Again, I'm parsing
on the fly here.
For the past few shows,
you've tended to mention
something about your
connection or your ISP
or other things
similar to that nature.
Sometimes you bitch.
Well, yes, I do.
Sometimes it's just
general discussion
about different services.
Anyway, I wanted to tell you
about the utter shambles
that is some ISPs
here in England.
Ah, bloody.
Oh, wait a minute.
Can I do my English voice
for this one?
Maybe a little bit.
Yeah, I'm going to continue.
Let me give it a shot.
My English voice
probably sounds like
my Australian voice
or my Chinese voice.
But anyway,
let's see.
Here in England.
Over here,
all the phone lines
Wait a minute.
Is that English?
No, that's Australian.
Where the fuck?
Over here,
all the phone lines
in the country
are owned by one company,
British Telecom.
God, I suck at
British accent.
Yeah, you might want
to skip this one.
And you've got to pay
line rental to them
every bloody month
for a telephone line,
even though your service
can go through
other companies.
So saying the truth,
Imagine BT,
which is British Telecom,
must be a pretty good
and experienced company
when it comes to
all things telecommunication.
Wrong.
About eight months ago,
I took part in an experiment
to try and extend
to reach of broadband connections.
I believe the line type
is called RADSL.
RADSL?
What is that?
RADSL is rate adaptive DSL
as far as I know.
It's a DSL that can change
its speed based on
the distance you are
from the CO.
It's got some type
of fancy technique
to figure out
how far away
from the CO you are
or just figure out
general line conditions
like a regular modem.
It kind of negotiates
and says,
oh, there's this much noise,
I'll try to go this speed.
So if I'm correct,
that RADSL is rate adaptive DSL.
Okay.
He goes on to say,
I was overjoyed
when I learned
this was becoming possible
because I live
in a rather remote village
about three miles
from the nearest exchange
and was just out of range
of broadband connection.
So naturally,
I signed up right away.
I was told the experiment
would last about a month
and a half would be
totally free of charge.
Oh, the experiment
would last about
a month and a half
and would be
totally free of charge.
I'm new to this reading thing.
What do you want me
to tell you?
No, me too.
I was also told
that after the experiment,
the line would be
totally terminated
and I'd have to go back
to my standard 56K connection.
So answer me this.
How come eight months
down the line
are they still saying
that we owe the money
for British telecom broadband?
Uh, I don't know
that I can answer that.
Uh, yes, I do have
a broadband connection now,
but my service
is through Tesco,
T-E-S-C-O,
a completely separate ISP
from British telecom.
My mom has tried
for months
to get this problem
sorted out
with several phone calls,
letters, emails,
and the lot.
But so far,
it's all come up
with nothing.
They seem unable
to grasp,
God, I'm horrible
at an English accent.
The simple fact
we do not have
broadband with them
and that the free
experimental trial
was free,
their call takers
are all as thick
as pig stuff,
not pig shit,
I guess I can read it
when it's his email,
and completely incapable
of independent thought.
They might as well
be machines
with built-in insults
and belittling comments.
So far,
they reckon
we owe them
around 200 pounds,
which I think
is something like
$380 for a service
we've never even had.
Even if the free
experimental trial
wasn't free,
it should have only
cost us 25 to 35 pounds
tops.
Anyway,
yeah,
that's pretty much it,
so count yourselves
lucky over there
in the States
you don't have
complete incompetence
like this.
Oh yeah,
we do.
Or at least not
with the one
overall controlling company
it's telephone lines.
Oh,
a little social engineering
tip for you
if you want to
totally pone
a stupid call taker,
have your mom and dad
constantly keep switching
between talking
to the person
on the phone,
and they'll soon
transfer you
to either a supervisor
or they'll actually
break away from
the pre-programmed
script written
for them.
If you do read
this on the show,
thanks tones,
my mate will
totally bow down
to my leateness.
Love the show
and keep up
with all the
great content.
Tones,
bow down
to the leateness
of Sephron.
Yeah,
that was a little
extra.
Yeah,
I don't know
where all that
bad lip
came from,
but I'm definitely
the drink.
That was pretty cool.
So what do you have
to say about all that
there, buddy?
Mr.
Telco,
were you about
to call me
Mr.
Telco?
Yeah,
that's exactly
what I was
getting ready
to call you.
You're probably
going to call me
shithead,
I guess,
actually.
Anyway,
I just took a drink
and you made me
dribble all over
myself.
My drink,
that is.
You know,
telcos over here
are incompetent
too,
and the bad
thing is,
like,
there's so many
of them that
are incompetent,
whereas you guys
just have one
incompetent one,
so I guess it
depends how you
look at it.
You know,
we're getting
back towards one
these days,
you know.
Yeah,
we really are.
Somebody posted,
I think it was
Strom Carlson posted
a graphic that
showed,
like,
the breakup
and then the
reassembling of
the telcos.
I saw that.
That was a very
interesting
graphic.
Yeah.
There still are
some independent
telcos.
Actually,
there's still a lot
of independent
telcos around
the U.S.,
but,
you know,
they're so small,
they're in,
like,
one town that
you never hear
of them,
and I'm sure
they don't offer
broadband.
But,
yeah,
I can't figure out
how the hell,
how you'd even be
in their billing
system that they
would be trying
to bill you
for something
like this.
Yeah,
they obviously
started off with
the intent,
with one intent,
and I guess
probably,
is it possible
you outsourced
it to another
company and
you got caught
up in their
billing when
they shouldn't
have or
something?
It's...
It's possible,
but British
Telecom should,
I assume that
this person has
one phone line
going into the
house.
Did they say
whether they did
or not?
No,
he didn't say.
I mean,
anything we say
is going to be
speculation,
really,
at this point.
Okay,
fair enough.
Let's assume
he's only got
one phone line
and he's got
phone service
from Tesco.
Like he said,
British Telecom
owns all of
those lines,
so unless British
Telecom thinks
that they have
two types of
DSL on their
phone line,
one from Tesco
and one from
British Telecom,
something's got
to be going
wrong there.
But isn't it
like the way
we're set up
where,
you know,
Bell South
or AT&T
or whoever
owns the
infrastructure,
but they're
forced to
lease them
out to
like the
Celex
and the
smaller companies,
so the
smaller company
pays a fee
to use that
line,
a government
regulation that
forces them
to give them
a price to
use the line,
and that
company will
offer the
service.
Is it
possible that
this,
what was it,
no,
not Telco,
Tesco is
like one of
those type
companies where
they pay a fee
to British
Telecom to
use the
line,
and British
Telecom said,
okay,
here's our
list of
customers,
go ahead and
start doing
what you want
to do with
them.
So maybe
they're
building.
I'm positive
that that's
how it works.
Tesco in
the U.S.
terminology
would be a
CLEC,
which is a
competitive
local exchange
carrier,
and British
Telecom would
be the
ILEC,
which is the
incumbent
local exchange
carrier.
They own
all of the
lines,
and like you
said,
they leased
them out to
other companies,
but what I'm
saying is that
they may be
getting dial tone
service from
British Telecom,
but they may be
getting DSL
service from
this other
company,
but British
Telecom would
have to have
in their
records something
that says,
okay,
these guys are
getting DSL
from Tesco,
so that they
know how much
to charge
Tesco for
the line use.
But if they
have that in
their records,
they can't have
in their records
that they have
DSL from
British Telecom.
That whole
situation is weird.
I wonder if
Tesco,
maybe providing
him DSL
service,
he may be
paying Tesco,
but they may
not be paying
British Telecom
for his line.
So in order to
resolve this,
maybe I would
go to Tesco
and say to
them,
like,
you know,
British Telecom
is trying to
bill me for
DSL service,
which I have
DSL service
through you,
and maybe have
them handle it.
Maybe even tell
them you're
thinking of
canceling your
DSL service
because you're
getting double
billed for it,
and maybe that
will make a
move a little
bit more.
You know,
I would call
what were
they called
again?
Tesco.
You know
what I would
say?
I would call
Tesco and
say,
are you
ready to
rock?
That's just
me.
Oh my
God.
That's just
me.
I'm just
saying,
if that
were me,
that's what
I'd do.
And they'd
pick up the
phone and
say,
what the
bloody hell
are you
talking about?
What the
bloody hell
are you
talking about?
I am so
bad.
Why am I
having,
oh well,
screw it.
I can't do
any accents
either,
other than,
are you ready
to rock?
It's funny
to try
though.
Funny for
you,
not for
me.
Yeah,
well,
you know,
laughing at
me and
with me,
who cares,
as long as
they're laughing.
Alright,
our next
email comes
from,
speaking of,
okay,
check this
name out.
I think I
have to do a
voice for this
name,
it just feels
like I need
to grunt
this.
This email
comes from
Booga!
Some type of
Street Fighter 2
character when
you do that.
I don't know
what,
B-O-G-A-A,
Booga!
Booga says,
hello,
man,
like many
people out
there,
I am a
hacker who
loves the
show.
I don't
know.
What the
hell are you
doing?
I just make
up voices
sometimes.
Is this the
fucking mayhem
that goes on
the show
when I'm not
around?
Exactly,
exactly,
I just,
I'm cursing
a lot.
You're going
to have to
edit out
every single
curse I've
done.
Oh,
no.
And make
a nice
version.
You've got
to make
a clean
version.
Just like
the recording
industry does.
That is not
happening.
I'm surprised
my neighbors
aren't over
here pounding
on the door,
by the way.
It's like
fucking 1 a.m.
Anyway,
let's see,
where was I?
Booga was
saying,
like many
people out
there,
I'm a
hacker who
loves the
show.
All I can
say is that
it kicks
ass.
I have been
downloading all
episodes and
listened to
all of them
in the past
few weeks.
I think
the show
is very
useful for
the starting
hacker as
well as
the more
experienced.
I truly
enjoy the
conversations.
I hope you
will be doing
this show for
a very long
time in the
future.
Unfortunately,
there are no
hacker meetings
in the country
where I'm
living.
Oh,
see,
I can't
make fun of
this guy's
English because
he's not a
native English
speaker.
Okay.
There we
go.
Yeah.
I'm still
going to call
him Booga!
country where
I'm living,
Netherlands,
crazy Dutch
people.
Hey,
let me tell
you,
the Netherlands,
I went there
once,
I went to
Amsterdam,
those Dutch
people speak
English better
than we do,
so don't play
games.
Oh,
okay.
All right,
good.
And he
said crazy
Dutch
people,
not me,
so don't
yell at me.
Oh,
yeah.
So I envy
all of you
who get to
go to the
2600 and all
the other
meetings.
I had to
scan the
web for days
to find
simple,
basic information
about hacking
back in the
old days,
but once I
found the
right way
to find
information,
things went
speedy for me.
In my opinion,
hacking is the
art of
information
acquiring.
Once you
have info,
the rest is
easy.
Very true
statement.
Anyways,
man,
I wish you
all the luck
in life
and love.
Oh,
my goodness,
not theory,
I'm getting
reclamped.
I'm all
reclamped.
Talk among
yourselves.
Oh,
that's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
That is
beautiful.
Thank you.
Booga!
It sounds
like I'm
throwing up
but stopping
right when it
gets to my
throat.
It's like
you're throwing
up and pooping
at the same
time.
Oh,
that's nasty.
You ever
sneeze while
taking a dump?
Boy,
that'll shut
you off real
quick.
Oh,
Jesus.
That's instant
loaf pinch
right there.
I was going
to say,
you break
your pipes
that way,
dude.
Exactly,
man.
It'll scare
the crap out of you,
especially if you've
ever seen the
weightlifting picture,
but that's a whole
other show.
Oh,
man.
That's terrible.
That's a recording
for another show,
which is actually,
well,
is going to be our
main topic if we
eventually get to it.
I said we got a lot
of emails tonight,
but you know what?
They're kind of good
and fun emails,
so we're still going
to keep going.
We've got a few
more here.
Anyway,
about the meetings.
Yeah,
some,
you know,
meetings are cool
and everything.
You get to hang
out with some
like people and
talk about,
you know,
geek and stuff
like that.
Some are better
than others,
but basically
the meeting
is what you make
it.
So,
you know,
it's like,
yeah,
they're cool,
but there's no
reason you can't
start one of your
own.
You know,
you have to take
the initiative
to start a meeting.
so I don't know
if you're willing
to do that
or anything like
that,
but for myself,
for example,
my closest meeting
is about 45 minutes
away,
and in rush hour
traffic,
sometimes an hour.
Well,
it's usually 45 minutes
to an hour
in rush hour traffic,
so it's like a,
it's a good drive
to get out there,
and it's not exactly
a convenient place.
There's no Wi-Fi
access,
you know,
all we do is sit
and talk most of the
time,
it's not presentations
as often as I would
like,
but,
you know,
it's been getting
better and having
more of those,
but anyway,
I am actually
considering and
probably going to be
making a move
next month to start
a meeting closer
to me,
and I already
co-run or co-host
or whatever the
local DEFCON
Hack City meeting,
the DC305 meeting,
and I participate
a lot in the
Broward 2600 meeting,
which is down in
Miami,
but those are a
little bit too far
for me,
so I'm going to
start a new meeting,
and I think I'm
actually going to
use this as the
opportunity to create
the first BinRev
meeting.
Now,
I'll probably list it
as a 2600 meeting
as well,
I haven't decided
really.
If I do it on the
same day,
the first Friday of
the month,
and co-list it as a
2600 meeting or
something,
but I don't want to
get this weird
competition thing going,
so I'm thinking maybe
I'll do it on a
different day of the
month,
maybe have it as a
separate meeting.
Not sure exactly how
I'm going to do with
it,
but I'm ready to
finally start pushing
this,
and having anybody
who's interested,
and if you really
want to take the
initiative,
of starting some
BinRev meetings
out there.
And again,
you can co-list them
as 2600 meetings as
well,
or whatever,
just a hacker meeting,
it doesn't really
matter what you call
it,
but what I want to do
is I'm going to put
up some rules,
I'm going to put up
some ideas,
some suggestions,
I'll be glad to work
with meetings to do
maybe some recordings,
or do some shows,
or calls around the
meetings to help,
you know,
get them started,
some special incentives
or something,
maybe we'll give some
prizes,
or some information on
the radio show,
etc.,
the magazine,
I don't know,
I'm going to start
brainstorming and
coming up with some
ideas,
and really push this
forward,
give people some
web space,
and let them host it
on our site,
give them access to be
able to put their
pictures and their
presentations,
and have them access
a website where they
don't have to worry
about hosting or
anything,
we'll take care of
all that,
all this kind of
stuff,
I'm finally going to
try to put this
together in the next,
don't rush me,
it's going to be,
it's going to take me
a couple months to
get this together,
just because there's
really a lot of
organizational work to
be done with it,
there's not a lot of
technical work to be
done with it,
so I'm going to try
to do this,
now if anybody's
interested,
you know the email
address,
radio at
binrev.com,
and we'll probably
make a special
address for meetings
or something like
that,
but for now,
radio at binrev.com
and let me know
and I will put up
information soon
and announce it on
the show soon as
well.
If I could just
make a quick
suggestion,
if you're going to
have any type of
meeting,
wherever you are,
I don't care if
it's 100,000 miles
away from me,
please just don't do
it on Friday at
5 p.m.,
it is the worst
time ever to have
a meeting.
Yeah,
like a Saturday,
the DEFCON meeting
works out really
well.
Even Friday,
a little bit later
on,
just Friday when
everybody wants to
get out of work
to go enjoy their
weekend,
the exact second
that work lets out
for the majority
of people,
why would you have
a meeting at that
time?
Well,
technically it starts,
I think it's 6,
but most of them
just say right after
work,
so a lot of people
don't show up to
our meeting until
like 7,
7.30,
8 o'clock when
they're getting
out of work
or after they've
eaten,
had supper,
and then they
come to the
meeting,
so it's like a
rigid requirement
that it starts
exactly at 5.
No,
I know,
but most of the
meetings I've seen
are Friday at
5 p.m.,
and I just don't
know why.
I think it's
really annoying,
and I think for
the younger people
who are in the
scene who may not
be working yet,
and they may be in
high school or
something like that,
they can get to
the meetings at
5 o'clock,
and if they get
there at 5 and
nobody's there
because everybody's
just getting out of
work,
they might be
discouraged to
coming back,
and your meeting
may not take
off.
So if you're
going to start
a meeting,
make it at a
time that makes
a little more
sense on a
weekend or Friday
a little later on
in the night,
just make sure you
don't put it at
Friday at 5 p.m.
That's just
annoying.
Yeah,
and like I said,
that's why it's
such a pain for me
to go in rush hour
traffic down the
highway to Miami.
I mean,
trust me,
95 South,
that ain't no joke.
So I agree
completely.
Word.
All right,
your turn.
Why don't you
read an email?
How about
email from
unknown entity
here?
Yeah,
sure.
Greetings,
stank dog,
and co-host.
I guess that'd be
me.
I'm a big fan of
the show,
but I've kind of
been taking a break
from the hack freak
community over the
last year or so.
I'm just getting back
into the scene now,
and I have a few
projects I've completed
during my absence
that I'd like to
release an article on.
They're both
electronics fabrication
type projects.
I would like to
hear any helpful
suggestions you
may have for
writing a
professional article
for a quarterly
or monthly magazine.
I've worked on
a couple of
small text files
before,
but nothing
really worthy
of publication
in a zine.
Any suggestions
as far as
format for the
actual document,
use of pictures,
et cetera,
would really help
me out.
By the way,
I,
a known entity,
prefers Dr.
Pepper over the
black,
foul-tasting fluid
known as Coca-Cola.
Now,
I just got to tell
you right now,
Coca-Cola
pwns everybody.
Oh,
no,
you are so,
so wrong.
Dr. Pepper
pwns Coca-Cola
without even
breaking a sweat.
No,
you see,
the thing is,
as far as the
Dr. Pepper
versus Coca-Cola
argument goes,
I didn't know
there was one.
To me,
they're totally
different drinks,
so they don't
compete at all.
All soft drinks
are competitors
with each other.
No,
I don't think so.
Dr. Pepper
is a whole
different bird.
Like,
Coke and Pepsi,
they compete.
I don't know how
because Pepsi
sucks so bad
I can't even
drink it.
Oh,
man.
But they
technically compete
because they're
both Colas.
I get Coke.
If I want
something that
tastes different
than everything else,
I get Dr. Pepper.
If I want
cream soda,
I get Boylan's.
If I want
root beer,
I get,
you know,
A&W,
something like that.
So you're
thinking like
Sprite versus
Mountain Dew
would be
closer competitors.
Sprite versus
7-Up.
Yeah,
7-Up.
Those guys are
competing.
Mountain Dew
versus,
I don't know,
Slice?
I don't know
what competes
against Mountain Dew,
really.
Sierra Mist?
Yeah,
Colas.
Like,
Boylan's and
Stewart's,
they make
cola and
root beer
and cream
soda and,
you know,
cherries and
cream soda
and all that
kind of stuff.
They compete
against each
other in each
different flavor,
but I would
never say that
cream soda competes
against root beer
because I'd rather
drink cream soda
any day of the week.
I swear to God,
I have no idea
how we've spent
so much time
talking about
soft drinks
and a hacking show.
I never,
ever would have
predicted.
Hey,
I'm just,
you know,
I know,
but have you
been listening?
Lay down the law
here.
Have you been
listening to the show
for like the past
couple months?
I mention it
in passing
as a joke
and somehow
it's become like
the most popular
topic ever
on the show.
It's bizarre.
Oh,
but Dr. Pepper
pones.
Anyway.
Dr. Pepper is good
stuff.
Yeah,
definitely.
Definitely good
stuff.
Okay,
let's see,
back to the email.
Unknown Entity,
I actually remember
Unknown Entity.
He was on the
forums a while back
and we had spoken
back then
and I still am
very interested
in the articles
and I said it
back then
and I still am
that I'd like
to have a regular
electronic section
in Binary Revolution
Magazine.
I've always thought
that would be
a cool thing
but it's hard
enough to find
hacking articles.
It's even harder
to find electronics
articles.
It really is.
Definitely.
So,
on a side note,
I've actually been
studying some
electronic stuff
myself lately.
I went to
Rat Shack
and bought one
of those
Teach Yourself
Electronics at Home
kits and it's got
like little buzzers
and sirens
and stuff on it
and the breadboard
in the middle
and a little book
to follow
and make your own
products and stuff,
projects and stuff.
Nah,
that shit don't work.
It doesn't work.
If you want to learn
electronics,
you've got to go
to the bookstore
and you've got to
find like a real
thick book that's
like,
not electronics
for dummies
but basic electronics,
something like that.
You've got to
find something like that
and be willing to
sit down for a long
time to figure it out.
Yeah,
but I need the hardware.
I want to see
what I'm learning.
I need to have it
visualized.
That's why I bought
this kit.
It's not so much
the book.
Well,
the book is pretty
lame.
It's just a bunch
of projects that
they just give you
how-to directions.
It doesn't explain
very well.
But the actual
device,
I can't get it
to work
and at first
I thought,
you know,
I'm a noob
and I did it wrong
but I checked
and triple-checked
and I've got
everything set up
right.
I've got all the
wires connected,
all the voltage.
It's just broken.
It's just a piece
of junk.
This is the first
time...
Okay, Mr. Stankdog,
is the power switch
on to your computer?
The batteries are
in there.
It's a little thing,
it's a little,
like,
it's as big as a
laptop,
a little bit bigger
and you put the
batteries in there
to give it power
and I know the
thing's all hooked
up right and it's
just not.
This is the first
thing I've bought
from Rat Shack
in probably five
years and hopefully
it'll be another
five years because
they suck.
It's a piece of
garbage and I have
to take it back
and it's a hassle
of going back in
there for that
and arguing with
them to return
anything,
especially down
here.
I was just
thinking,
you're the one
who's always
talking about
education.
Do you have a
community college
in your area
that maybe has
an electronics
class?
They have
prerequisites for
the damn class
that I want.
I don't need to
take, like,
basic...
The way they
break the classes
down is weird.
I can't get into
the electronics
classes of the
stuff that I want
to learn without
joining the program
and taking a bunch
of silly prerequisite
stuff.
If you're in it,
it's not silly if
you're actually
pursuing it,
but for somebody
like me,
I just want to
learn how to sit
down with a bread
board and connect
things.
I want to be
able to take
a PCI card,
put it in my
computer,
interface with a
microcontroller,
and make a
fucking LED
blink my name
or something
stupid like
that,
or put together
my own AMFM
radio PCI card.
I know I can
buy it,
but I want to
learn how to
do that type
of stuff.
Well, as far
as PCI cards
go, I don't
know that I
would go that
route.
That stuff is
not easy.
I'm just making
up an example.
There's a lot
of other,
you know,
I just want to
learn how
resistors and
capacitors.
I hesitate to
do it.
I'm actually
working on a
project for a
customer of mine
right now,
and I'm using
something called
the Export.
It's by a
company called
Lantronics.
Their website is
not Lantronics.com.
I have absolutely
no idea what it
is.
It's not the same
Lantronics that
makes the
printer, what
do they call
those network
printer cards?
Oh, you know
what?
No, it's spelled
differently.
It's Lantronics.
It's I-X.
So maybe their
website is
Lantronics.com.
Anyway, they have
this product called
the Export, and
it's basically, it's
the size, it's an
Ethernet jack that's
maybe an inch and a
half deep, and it
has, I don't know
if you're going to
believe me on this
or not, but in that
inch and a half deep
Ethernet jack, it has
a 486 processor, it
has 512K of RAM, and
512K of flash, and
if you buy the
developer kit, it's
like 150 bucks.
You can program this
thing in C, and it's
got some jumpers on
it that you can use
for I.O.
pins and stuff like
that, and you can
hook LEDs up to it
and blink and do
all that kind of
stuff, and interface
to your network.
You can plug it in,
you can have it
serving webpages and
stuff like that, so
if you want to get
involved in electronics
in the sense where you
want to interface
with something very
simple, but you still
want to be able to
program it, I think
the export, if you're
willing to fumble
through the
documentation, which
is kind of lacking,
is a good choice, but
if you want to get
started in real
electronics from
scratch, that is a
whole different beast,
and that, in my
mind, electronics is
way harder than
programming.
Yeah.
By leaps and
bounds.
Yeah, me too.
I agree with that.
So.
All right.
We're running low
on time.
We've got a big
announcement to make
soon, so we're going
to burn through these
last two or three
emails.
Just to answer the
direct question that he
made about the
articles, any
electronics articles,
you've got to have
pictures and charts and
designs and stuff like
that.
Very important to go
along with it because
you've got to illustrate
what's going on and how
and why it's working.
So you've got to have a lot
of graphics with it.
That's one thing I'd
recommend.
And not all magazines can
handle graphics that
detailed, and if they do,
they're not going to be
high-quality pictures, so
it's going to be grainy and
it's not going to show up
very well.
Another problem is that a
lot of e-zines or online
sites or online text files
or something, they only
allow stuff in plain text.
They can't support graphics
at all.
Or you will have to
attach your pictures
separately, and then
they'll try to edit it
themselves, and they might
not put them in the right
place, and it won't be
referenced properly, so
it's pretty messy.
We, from day one, have
been very much into that
and very much use
illustrations to enhance
the articles, so we
absolutely can handle
that.
If you do still want to
send them to us, of
course, we'd be glad to
take a look at it.
Articles at
binrev.com.
If you've got to submit
the actual article itself,
too, the other thing is
they can accept just
plain text files.
We can accept anything.
I can, you know, I don't
know why people limit
themselves to only send us
text files.
That's 2600.
Anything else might not
make it.
We can take anything.
I can convert to anything
from anything.
I don't know why there's
any restrictions on
anything like that.
So, you want to do an
open office, you want to
do it in Microsoft Word,
whatever.
You know, I'm sure
there's some weird,
obscure stuff I may have
never heard of, but
whatever.
Just anything just about
what you can accept.
How about Funwriter for
the PC Junior?
I can absolutely
convert from...
No, I can't.
Let me just throw in
one last thing.
If you're going to
submit any articles that
have electronic schematics,
do it like a professional
electronics engineer.
Give a list of test
points where once
somebody has built the
circuit, if it doesn't
work, you can say,
you know, test out,
does this point here
have, you know, is this
point here at five volts?
Is this point here at
four volts?
You've got to give
people away.
Once they build your
thing and it doesn't
work because it happens
all the time with
electronics, because people
miss small things or
something's not
soldered correctly, you've
got to give them away to
troubleshoot your device if
it's more complicated than
like four or five parts
because otherwise people
are going to build it,
it's not going to work,
they're going to complain
about it, and they're
going to get a bad name
for it.
So always include test
points and always include
some list of things you
can do to troubleshoot the
circuit.
And as you're building
the circuit yourself,
you're going to come
across a lot of, you're
going to come across
problems and you're
going to come across
ways to figure out what
went wrong, you know,
as you build a couple of
these things.
So you're going to have a
list for yourself, so
just include that list
with the article, you
make everybody's life a
million times easier.
Very good advice, very
good advice.
Okay, let's jump to a
couple emails here, I'm
going to read these
quickly.
Next email is from
five is six is what I'm
going with on this one,
is that?
Yeah, I agree.
Five is six, I think is
five is six, six?
No, I think it's five is
six.
Five is six, that's
what I'm going with.
Stank Dizzle, thanks for
being an occasional yet
essential ingredient in
my fix for internet radio
addiction.
I was recently pulled
over here in sunny
California and had heard
of the concept of
challenging the offer
and operation by
requesting to see his
radar.
So I naturally demanded
the evidence to which I
was replied, quote, I
didn't punch it.
Perhaps punching it, as I
heard, was just another
lucky soprano, but I
assumed the implication
was that the officer had
the option of recording
and saving the radar
scan or simply scanning it
and clearing the radar.
When I brought up in
court, the officer's quote,
he simply denied ever
saying it, to which our
friendly sustainers of
justice happily agreed.
Point being, unless your
cop suddenly can't use the
triple time and make it to
court, it's easier and
safer, mind you, to just
slow the fuck down.
I'll stop for a little
input from you because
you might have some
insight there.
Yeah, slow enough
down might actually work.
You know, I heard what
you guys were talking
about with traffic
tickets.
I could get into a big
long thing about this
because I'm very
experienced in the field,
unfortunately.
But we may have to save
that for another show
because the Lucky's
techniques, I'm sure,
work in California.
He uses them all the
time.
In New York, it's a
totally different ball
game.
They have so much
freedom in amending
things.
That's what I said,
yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, in New York,
actually in certain
places in New York,
just a quick, very
quick example.
I got a parking ticket
that had the
description of my car
but had the license
plate from a car that
I got rid of two years
ago and had me listed
as being in the wrong
place.
And even though all
of this information was
wrong, including the
date at which I got
the ticket, the judge
told me that if I
ended up taking it to
court, the cop in
court would just amend
the ticket to the
correct information
and I'd have to pay
the full fine.
So essentially,
they don't need any,
they don't, the ticket
doesn't mean anything
in certain places in
New York.
In New York City, it's
different.
They have to be
accurate.
But outside of New
York City, they have
so much freedom that
it's not even worth
fighting a lot of
these things.
Go in there, say you
want to pay a little
bit less, you don't
have the money to pay
it, that's one thing,
but don't try to argue
semantics with these
guys because they will
rip you a new one.
All right, let's see,
five is six, goes on
to say, question time.
I am currently
interested in learning
to program computer
languages and I'm
wondering if you can
recommend a hierarchy
of languages starting
from a solid foundation
and upward.
Boy, that's a hole
with no bottom there.
We're not going to
have time to go into
that too much.
Perhaps there are
different models of
hierarchy to recommend
depending on the
intention of the
programming.
Yes.
For example, if
landing a good paying
job is my intention,
the hierarchy language
may differ from
that from a
different intention
such as creation
of a game for a
PC, etc.
P.S.
Recommended book for
the month, and this
is really why I was
reading this email,
the recommended book
for the month is
Poker Without Cards,
which can be
downloaded for free
at pokerwithoutcards.com.
Despite its
luring implication, the
book has nothing to
do with actual
poker playing.
Quite a hacker
complimentary
literature.
With love, five
is six.
I'm just feeling
the love this
week.
I'm glad you got
me on this show
because I feel
really special.
I'm going to sleep
really well tonight.
It's just such a
loving show.
Just such a loving
show this week.
We really don't
have time to do,
maybe you and I,
I think we would do
good to go through a
show of talking about
languages, their
pros and cons, good
places to start.
I'm going to give a
short answer.
You may disagree with
me, but my short
answer is C.
My short answer is C
and then C++ because
understand programming and
C and it's so similar
to a lot of other
languages.
You can go from C to
Java, you can go from
C to Perl, you can go
to C to C++ and learn
those object-oriented
mindset and object-oriented
tasks and stuff and you
can adapt to almost
anything.
To me, the foundation
language is C and C++.
Yeah, I'll give you my
quick response right
here.
If you want to get a
job, learn C first.
If you want to program
for yourself, you want to
write applications, real
applications, C first.
If you want to do text
processing, Perl.
If you want to program
webpages, PHP.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, Perl definitely.
Well, HTML, of course,
before PHP.
You have to know some
HTML.
Well, yeah, anyway.
We'll go into that
another day.
Yeah.
That's the short answer.
Sorry we couldn't give
you more on that one.
Next email from Uncle
Toxy who says,
Stank and not theory.
I wanted to provide a
little information on
the useless support.com
software that you have
running.
I've worked with the
software during my
tenure with a particular
company.
You are right in saying
that the help system
does no good when your
connection is down.
The main functions of
the software were to
provide information to a
new user who is
connected.
That's fucking useless.
Oh, God.
For instance, if you did
not know how to set up
your email client, if it
was Outlook Express, that
is, then you could do a
search using the software.
You would then be
directed to a help page.
There was no documentation
on how to set it up, and
even scripts, ActiveX if I
recall correctly, that
would automatically launch
the new account wizard for
Outlook Express.
If you used Thunderbird or
Netscape, you were screwed.
The whole point was to try
and reduce call volume to
the support center.
How do you like my fast
guy talking voice?
Yeah, that's quick.
The other thing that it
does is remote access.
If you were a support
agent, you could walk
through a few steps and
then be able to remotely
control the college
computer.
It's always handy.
This came in very handy
from time to time.
I can go into greater
detail about it later if
you wish.
On another note, Lucky
225 sees like a nice
enough kid and very
intelligent.
Whoa, what has he been
listening to?
Anyway, nice enough kid
and very intelligent.
I'm kidding.
Lucky's my dog.
I know, I know, I know.
Very intelligent.
However, I would like to
tell him one thing.
If you're going to take
the chance of speeding,
be a man and take your
medicine if you get
caught.
Saying that, if you are
indeed not speeding, then
do what you need to do in
order to fight it.
But you don't need me to
tell you that.
Finally, Metallica licks
the sweat from a dead
man's balls.
I hope they get hit by a
bus and taste their own
blood.
The fucking sellout
chodes must die.
Wow.
How does he really feel
though?
Wow.
That was, yeah.
You know, I don't.
Way to be vague, guy.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, let's see.
Support.com does suck.
Double click it and it
didn't even do anything
except open my browser to
take me to a support.com
web page.
Which is useless if I
can't get to the
interweb.
And then, and here's the
thing, here's a little
funny story.
Gosh, we're, oh, I hate
running out of time.
The page that I went to
wanted my life story to
get chat help.
They had one of those
live chat things.
But they made me fill out
all this crap.
They wanted the username
and blah, blah, blah.
I tried to just put in
the username, skip all
the rest of it, but it
would, kept giving me the
mandatory fields crap.
They wanted an address, a
phone number, city, state,
everything, all this stuff
and it was mandatory.
So, I was pissed.
I just put in stuff.
I put in like one, two,
three, just fucking help
me street and don't be
nosy New York.
And I just clicked
through it.
I put eight, eight, eight,
five, five, five, or
800-555-1212, et
cetera, put all this stuff
in there and then I got,
and it went.
They don't verify or
check anything.
They don't care that it's
a real username.
So, I get this lady, this
chick, it was a female's
name, so I assume it was
a chick.
And she said, thank you
for using support.
Can you help me?
I said, yes, I just want
to know if you're having
problems with the DNS
service because I'm
getting a lot of errors.
I didn't even get the
thing typed.
I typed it in, hit enter.
Next thing I know, the
box went grayed out.
A little message came on
that said, it said
something to the effect
of I was disconnected
and the comment
underneath of it says,
you have been
disconnected.
I did not appreciate
the information in your
profile because I put
just fucking help me
street.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I know.
I was a dick, but
whatever.
So, anyway, uninstall the
software.
Uncle Toxie's told you
it doesn't do anything.
Don't even have, just
uninstall it.
It's worthless.
And our last email this
week.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I'm looking forward
to this one.
Always looking forward to
this email.
You want to read this
one?
Yeah, I think I could do
this.
Can you do this?
This email comes from
System Shock Zore.
And he writes,
What the fuck?
But what if Metallica
sold out?
That doesn't mean you
can't listen to their
music just because they
want more money.
If a drug dealer starts
asking for more money,
what would you do?
Stop smoking weed?
No.
By the way, I'm sorry
about the bad jokes and
all the things I said
about you.
I won't bother you
again.
In fact, I think you're
a great person.
And I listen to your
show every week.
Oh.
How can we?
Wait a minute.
How can we?
Wait, I'm not done yet.
Oh, I'm sorry.
What?
He also intelligently
adds at the end,
Yes, enough with the
spelling jokes.
I'm not a native
English speaker.
Oh, that's okay.
Neither are we.
We're 80s rocks.
We're band speakers.
Wild stallions.
Oh, man.
Okay.
Well, you know,
wait a minute.
Hold on.
First of all,
if a drug dealer starts
asking for more money,
what do I do?
Find a different drug
dealer.
What the fuck is
common sense with that?
Yeah, that's not
really an intelligent
comment.
Yeah, that's not a
good one.
It doesn't really
make much sense.
Right.
Metallica?
If somebody was
trying to sell you a
car for 20 times
over MSRP,
what would you do?
You'd go to a
different dealership.
Exactly.
But I like how he
combined drugs with
Metallica.
Thanks for associating
that.
Yeah, Metallica's
not the only band
out there.
There's other ones.
So I stopped
supporting Metallica
and find other
talented bands
that are out there
and don't cry all
the time and called
me a thief for
downloading their
music.
So what's so
difficult about that?
Anyway, and oh,
come on, man.
You're not going to
bother me anymore.
Don't bother me
again.
That's not cool.
I mean, I'm
looking forward to
my system shock
soar fix every
week.
I've got to have
my system shock
soar insults.
And who are we
going to use this
screaming 80s rocker
voice on?
Oh, my God.
I don't know.
We'll work it
into somebody.
Yeah, and for
RPS, Binary
Revolution Radio
does not condone
smoking weed or
any other illegal
substance.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
All right, anyway,
dude, I don't know
what the hell we're
going to do.
We're going to have
to edit something
out or something
because we're at
124 now.
And let's just
skip the personal
hacking show and
tell because it's
kind of our show
and tell is the
main topic tonight
and that is a
short five-minute
announcement.
Well, I guess I'll
let you make the
announcement because
you're the one that's
been putting most of
the work in on this.
All righty.
Hmm.
I'm really bad at
these announcement
things.
I never really know
what to say.
All right, well, I'll
announce it and you
explain it.
How about that?
What's that?
I said I'll announce
it and you explain it.
No, I can handle it.
I think I got it here.
We are going to be
doing a new weekly show
which is a little
different than the
shows that we've been
doing now.
The name of the show
is Freak Factor and
it's basically the first
hacker reality radio
show.
And it's not going to
be like any of the
other shows.
We're not going to have
any topics to talk
about.
We're just basically
we're going to call up
to the PBX.
We're going to hop on
the air.
We're going to talk
about whatever the
hell we want.
And that's about it.
We're just going to
have fun with it and
see what happens.
Some weeks, if you've
been hanging out on
conferences ever and
freak scenes, some
weeks conferences are
really cool, a lot of
fun to listen to.
Some weeks they suck.
Some weeks you have
Tron toning it out.
You know, it's just
what happens.
And we're going to
add in some features
where eventually the
users will be able to
go to the website.
And if somebody's
really pissing you off,
you can just vote them
off of the conference.
And every half hour or
so we'll do that.
And people will just
get fucking hung up
on.
That's it.
Survivor style.
You and your buddies
vote them down and
he's gone.
Can they form alliances
and vote people off?
Oh yeah, it's going to
be totally ridiculous.
Because personally, I
think reality TV is
ridiculous.
I think this is our
way of, you know,
making fun of it and
having a good time at
the same time.
It really is going to
be fun.
We do have some
fail-safes in there.
We're going to have a
way to try to identify
people who are willing
participants, that is,
who want that worked
out that way.
And if something comes
up where we have like
a topic we want to
discuss and we want to
actually go into detail
about and someone is
being a Tron and toning
us out or whatever,
we're looking into ways
to address that as well.
But again, I like the
aspect of this of the
reality.
Because yes, in a way
we're making fun of it,
but at the same time,
this is a reality show.
If Tron or some other
people come in and do
start toning it out,
that's part of it.
That's part of the
reality to me and that's
what's going to make it
unique and interesting
and you never know.
This is going to give
everybody who doesn't
already hate Tron a whole
new way to start hating
Tron.
But this will also give
people who are not making
shows yet to kind of have
the floor if they want.
If they've got a topic
they want to talk about
and we're hanging out in
there and we think they've
got something worthwhile
saying, we can give them
the floor.
We can mute everybody out
if we think it's important
and they can go on and
talk about a topic.
We could interview people
who we've never spoken to
before who we can't get
on the show normally.
They can just call into
the conference.
And we have a lot of
flexibility from this.
I built a little
administrative interface for
asterisk to handle a show
like this.
And there's a lot of
flexibility.
And some weeks we may not
even be there.
Some weeks it'll just be
people hanging out.
And if you just want to
call up and hear yourself
on the radio stream,
you can do that.
You know, everything's
going to be automatic.
So if we're not there,
the show's going to go
on the air without us.
It's fine.
But if we're there,
you know, we'll be able
to throw in some extra
fun things that people can
do and start voting
people off and doing
all kinds of nonsense.
I think it's going to be
a lot of fun.
Some weeks may suck.
Some weeks may be great.
But that's the whole
fun of it.
This is going to be right
now, tentatively, we're
looking towards Saturday
night.
This is going to be our
Saturday night live, if
you will.
And again, I want to
reemphasize that this is
not an invite only thing.
This is not a we choose
who's talking or whatever.
The way this is going to
work is you're going to
be able to go to the
site.
And let's go ahead and
move into the closing.
The site of the week is
going to be obviously
freakfactor.net.
That's P-H-R-E-A-K
P-H-A-C-T-O-R
.net.
And we're going to put
that information up on
that site when the time
comes.
We will be starting this
week, this weekend, this
upcoming Saturday.
And anybody who wants to
be on will simply call
the number, follow the
directions, punch in the
proper codes, and you
will be instantly put live
onto the air.
Now, there's a delay from
the time it takes to relay
the signal from server to
server to server, etc.,
etc., the way things are
set up.
But you are, for the
most part, live on the
radio.
You will be able to tune
in to DDP Hack Radio
where it is being streamed
whatever everybody and
anybody says.
And there are disclaimers
that warn that you are
being broadcast, so be
careful what you say.
Don't do anything stupid.
And if you do, guess what?
You blew it.
Because anybody and
everybody can hear this.
The other thing to point
out, well, actually I'm not
going to point that out.
I'm going to save that for
later because we haven't
decided on that yet.
But, site of the week,
freakfactor.net.
Not there anything else
before we close here?
Go ahead.
No, I was just going to
say, if anybody's got any
suggestions for the show,
if you think you want to
add a cool feature,
something for you guys to
be able to do on the
website while the show's
running, definitely email me.
I am open to anything.
I just sat down and wrote a
lot of code to handle this,
and I think I can add on
new stuff fairly easily.
So, I'm down for whatever.
You open for anything?
Well, we'll talk about that
when I come visit you down
there.
All right, baby.
Double penetration time.
Oh, Jesus.
All right.
Let's see.
Shouts.
I've got to give a big list
of shouts.
So, I hope, let's see,
we're running low on time.
But, everybody in IRC right
now, we are recording.
It is later than I had
hoped, but I'm going to run
down the people in IRC
on Dalnet, our new IRC
channel, which has been
very active and lots of
fun and good conversation.
First of all, to ZapperLink.
Biggest shouts, because he's
the one that did a lot of
the work helping us set
this thing up.
Huge shouts to ZapperLink,
registering everything,
setting up all the auto-ops,
and some other things that
we're working on right now
that are going to be fun,
like I mentioned before.
I'm not going to list the
DDP people.
Screw them.
They suck.
And I'm going to go down
the list alphabetically here.
Bushi, B-U-S-H-I.
Capania, C-A-P-A-N-E-U-S.
Default.
Oh, my goodness.
Dalnet Sexmercs.
I have no idea.
D-O-L-N-E-T-S-X-M-Y-R-X.
Droops, our good friend
Droops.
Encryx.
Actually, I think she said
that's encryption.
Encryption X, Encryx,
whatever.
File Not Found.
Fubster.
Gentoo is crap.
Somebody wanted to hear that
on the radio, obviously.
Hackwood.
Jotun.
Kerpop.
Lucky.
No, I'm not reading Lucky.
Screw him.
Mobile Digit.
Knicks.
Renegade 3-3-4.
Cypher.
Steve Cronin.
Super Duper.
Tom.
Upside Down.
Zeno.
Hidio.
And, oh, Nick84.
Okay, I'll give him shouts.
Nick's cool.
So, to everybody in IRC,
thank you for helping us
get this channel moved over
and cooperating and everything.
It's already been
really fun for me so far.
I've been hanging out
as much as possible.
I'm idling all the time.
And, I mean,
I'm looking right now.
One, two, three, four, five,
six GDP members
in there right now.
So, it's a good way
for us to all keep in touch.
So, shouts to everybody there.
And, again, email us.
Radio at BinRev.com.
Our closing music this week is
Hex Error.
H-E-X-E-R-R-O-R.
It's called Deer Lodge Prison.
And, not theory.
Thank you for being on the show.
Man, I'm telling you,
we've got to do this again.
Maybe next week
or sometime soon
when you get time.
I know you've been busy.
We've got a lot of stuff
to spill over.
Let me just give
three quick shouts.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, any shout-outs
that you have, go ahead.
Yeah, very quickly.
I want to give shout-outs
to Tycom.
He's been on the forums.
He's been in the scene
for a long time
and I have to attribute him.
He is the guy
who got me into the scene.
So, many, many, many
many props to him.
You may not like to hear this,
but I'm going to give
shouts to GBPPR,
the Green Bay Professional
Packet Radio guys.
They've had some problems
with us in the past,
but if you want to look up
schematics about cool radio stuff,
those guys have it.
When it comes to radio stuff,
they seriously know
what they're talking about.
And I would just like to
say hello to my girlfriend
and hope that she gets through
all this stuff
she's going through right now.
I wish her the best,
her family the best,
all that.
So, that's all I got.
Yeah, I second that.
And that GBPPRCOLMNOR
through D2 or whatever.
Yeah.
I don't...
The thing is,
they contradict themselves.
My issue with them
is simply on one page
they have us linked as noobs
and then on another page
they list us as a great
printed alternative to 2600
who they also hate, apparently.
So, I don't know what
I don't know what their deal is.
I mean, to be very clear,
they have good schematics
for radio projects
and that's all I know about them.
Yeah, I don't know
what their deal is.
I don't know if they hate us or not,
but either way, I don't care.
Fuck them.
Alright, so,
that's going to be it.
So, again, Not Theory,
thank you.
And everybody listening,
we will see you again next week.
Ow!
Same hack time!
Same hack channel!
Have you ever had a lot of
Thank you.