This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero
In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream packs
You need some ISOs? Let me do my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
At NASDAQ, leave your pride on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the creepers
Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SINs
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack
That's right, we did it
We broke 100 episodes of Binary Revolution Radio
You are listening to episode 101
6-21-2005, that's June 21st
Of those of you who can't count the 6
June 21st, 2005
I am StankDawg
And joining me on this momentous episode
I don't know, we're just continuing going with the flow
So there's nothing momentous
We're just back on the path as it were
Doing more episodes
And joining me this week is Not Theory
Oh, Not Theory
Not Theory
So, we did make it past episode 100
And yeah, I had a lot of emails from people
Asking whether we were going to quote
Pull an RFA on them
And end the show at episode 99
Or even 100 after the craptacular
And I saw some comments in IRC
And then posts on other sites
Saying were we going to end it
But, obviously not
You are listening to episode 101
That's where we should stop
And just leave dead silence
For the next 59 minutes
No, you need white noise
That's what you mean
Toning
So, obviously that is not the case
However
I will tell you
And I've hinted at this before
You can expect some very, very big changes
Upcoming changes in the show
Starting with season 3
And Not Theory
Blowing his nose on the microphone
Is not one of them
I don't think
Dude, I'm not making any noise at all
I just got a big old wipe
Across the microphone
It sounded like
I have a feeling
It's voice pulse
Considering how reliable
And high quality
They've been in the past couple of days
As wonderful as voice pulse is
I've been having nothing but problems
For about a week and a half
Two weeks now
With voice pulse
And I'm very, very unhappy
With the whole situation
But
It's working now
And actually
We are
This is pretty much
The closest we've ever come
To a live show
We've done Tuesday shows
Before at the last minute
But
This one is really
Cutting it close
So by the time
I'm done editing this
All together
And uploading it
I don't even know
If this is going to get
Uploaded in time
Quite honestly
So let's see how this goes
We just have to make a short episode
Yeah I guess we could do that
I could just loop it
Yeah 15 minutes
We could just do the theme song
And then say hello goodbye
And then theme song again
And just loop that over and over again
Nice
So anyway
Yes we are
We will be making some big changes
To the show
Starting with season 3
Which season 3
As far as we
The way we count
Is episode 105
So episode 104
Is the last episode
Of season 2
That will also be
A clip show
Some outtakes
Some quotes
Some funny moments
From the show
Kind of a special
Two year anniversary deal
And then after that
Yes there will be
Some big changes
To the show
So as far as I know
We are not going
Anywhere anytime soon
So just to get that
Out in the open
And say it
So that people
Don't start to talk
Of course they'll talk anyway
But what are you going to do
Also in the housekeeping
Section of the show
I don't think we should
Bother talking about
Freak Factor
Because we've been
Doing that a lot lately
But we had a little
Incident on episode 7
Where we weren't around
To get the show
Running that week
So we missed it
But we explained that
On this past episode
Of Freak Factor
Which not theory
Might be up
Or is up
By the time
They're listening to this
Or
Yeah
I think
Yeah I just put it up
A little while ago
Actually before I even
Announced that it was up
On the forums
Like 50 or 60 people
Had downloaded it already
So
Holy cow
I guess nobody really
Needs to be told
That it's up
Yeah
But it is
Well
It just
Still boggles my mind
That people actually
Want to
Oh well
Whatever
Anyway
So
Other than that
The only other
Housekeeping thing
I have
Is to talk about
Our inaugural
However you want
To spell it
The inaugural
Correctly I would prefer
Spelling Nazi
The inaugural
BinRev meeting
Took place
In South Florida
That is of course
Where I'm
That's how I roll
That's where I'm
Rolling from
I don't know
What the hell
I come correct
Representing the
Dirty Dirty
So
We had our first
The dirty
Dirty
Boca Raton
Florida
Yeah boy
Yeah
My ass
With my
20 inch
Spinner rims
On my
Mercedes
That my mom
Bought me
Anyway
Yeah
We had our
Inaugural
First meeting
Ever
First
BinRev
Meeting
And
It was pretty
Simple
Pretty straightforward
Mostly people
That we already
Knew
And
Kind of
The whole
Point of
The meeting
Was
A
To get
People
Familiar
With the
New location
Of the
Meeting
And
Secondly
To kind
Of sit
Around
And come
Up with
Some ideas
Of what
Do we
Want to
Do
With the
Meeting
And
Things like
That
So
We did
The first
One
To kind
Of bounce
Some ideas
Around
And to
Come up
With a
List of
Activities
And things
To do
And we
Kind of
For the
Most part
Did that
So
It wasn't
A highly
Productive
Meeting
It was a
Lot of
Fun
Hanging
Around
Kind of
Doing
Stuff
So
But we
Did get
Some stuff
Accomplished
So that
Now
People will
Be able
To start
Their own
Meetings
And if
You go to
Binrevmeetings.com
That's
B-I-N-R-E-V
Meetings
Dot com
That is the
Website
And you
Will see
Information about
The meetings
That we've
Put up
There
Still in
Progress
As we're
Working on
And it's
Using a
Default
Skin
And all
That
So
Keep all
That in
Mind
But basically
We are
Building
That site
Up
And I
Don't know
If we're
Going to
Have time
On this
Episode
But on
The upcoming
Episode
I'll do
A little
Content
Management
System
Review
On a
Couple of
The CMS
That we
Tried
But basically
We picked
A CMS
That will
Support
Supposedly
Multiple
Sites
So we'll
Be able
To offer
People
Free
Web
Hosting
Free
Space
Free
Bandwidth
Etc
If you
Want to
Create
A
Meeting
In your
Area
We'll
Have
Binrevmeetings.com
Slash
And then
Whatever
Your NPA
Is
So for
Us for
Example
It's
561
So and
Anybody
Who is
Interested
In starting
One up
I don't
Care if
It's a
Small town
Big city
How many
People you
Got going
If you've
Got four
Or five
People that
Want to
Start a
Meeting
That's
Fine
With me
Just get
In touch
With me
On my
Personal
Email
Address
That's
Stankdog
At
Stankdog
And we'll
See what
We can
Do and
Get you
Set up
With a
Site
And pass
The
Information
And some
Ideas
On to
You
And see
If we
Can get
Some of
The stuff
And make
It happen
So we
Will provide
Bandwidth
We will
Provide the
Website
We will
Provide as
Much as
We can
To help
Your meeting
Successful
Just do
Your part
On your
End
Make it
Happen
Get it
Going
And I
Think that's
Pretty much
It
Cool
I actually
I have an
Idea for
This that
You and I
Got to talk
About after
The show
But
This is
One of the
First times
I'm really
Getting to
See the site
And it's
Pretty cool
I like the
Highway to
Heaven
MIDI that
You have
In the
Background
It's pretty
Awesome
Yeah
I stole that
From a
Geo series
You said
You got the
CMS on
Default
And you know
How I love
Those white
Backgrounds
So I like
The way it
Looks
Actually
Yeah I mean
I don't think
We're going to
Go anything
Crazy
And the
Other thing
Is with
With
Binrev.com
There is
Kind of
An overall
Black and
Green theme
To the
Site
So we
Kind of
Want to
Stick to
That
Overall
This is
A separate
Site
And I
Have no
Reason
Or no
You know
Ties
To doing
It black
And green
Again
I'm totally
Open
To doing
Something
Different
So yeah
Right now
It's just
The default
But it's
Not going
To change
Much more
You know
It looks
Fine with
The white
Background
I'm okay
With that
But I
Still can't
Draw stick
Figures
So I
Might have
To get
Somebody else
Helping me
Out with
That
And I
Got somebody
In mind
For that
How about
Housekeeping
Before we
Move on
You got
Any housekeeping
You want
To talk
About
No I
Kind of
Promise
Some stuff
To some
People
Some new
Bell's Mind
Features
That I
Shouldn't
Have
So I'm
Working
On those
But nothing
Nothing too
Exciting
No sorry
Bigletdown.com
Actually
The only thing
I can say
Is that I
May be
Reviving
The GDP
Freak
Toys
I got
My java
Development
Environment
Up and
Running
Again
I've been
Messing around
With it
For a bit
So maybe
I'll update
That so
That it
Works with
Bell's Mind
About people
Submit numbers
By their
Phone again
That's about
It
I love
DDP
Freak
Toys
I still
Have that
On my
Phone
And I
Actually
Was using
That a
Lot
Somebody
Would
Delete
The database
Occasionally
When I
Upload
Numbers
But
Anyway
Hey
Listen
That was
Back in
The day
When I
Was
Hosting
It
Out of
My
Apartment
Back in
The day
When I
Was
Young
I'm not
A
Kid
Any
I
Have a
Better
Grasp
Of
J2ME
And all
That
Crap
But
I
Should
Be
A
Better
Application
Now
I
Was
Singing
Back
In
The
Day
Back
In
The
Day
Alright
Well
Then
Let's
Do
Some
Email
Now
We
Have
Let's
See
Here
We
Have
A
Lot
Of
Email
Actually
And
I
Know
I
Probably
Say
That
Just
About
Every
Week
Actually
We
Had
A
Couple
Light
Weeks
Of
Email
Before
Episode
100
But
Now
We
Have
To
Catch
Up
Because
Of
Episode
100
So
I've
Got
Quite
A
Few
Emails
And
Some
Of
Are
Fairly
Long
Too
So
Let's
I guess
Just
Start
Into
Them
And
See
How
Much
Time
We
Have
And
How
Much
They
Take
And
I
Guess
Kind
Of
Wing
It
From
There
So
I'm
Going
To
Read
Pretty
Quickly
Though
Because
I
Do
Want
To
Burn
Through
As
Many
Of
These
As
We
Can
First
Email
This
Week
Comes
From
And
Boy
Is
This
An
Interesting
Handle
Mickey
Pork
Pies
That's
Pretty
Cool
I
Like
That
One
Dear
Mr.
Dog
And
Mr.
Theory
First
Of
All
Let
Me
Get
Out
Of
The
Way
Groveling
Your
Show
Is
Extremely
Informative
And
Entertaining
To
Listening
To
One
Of
The
Best
Talk
Shows
On
Podcast
Full
Stop
Okay
I
Caught
The
Last
Telephonic
Craptacular
Extravaganza
Say
It
With
Me
Not
Theory
Extravaganza
Oh
Look
At
You
Rolling
The
R
You
Go
Boy
Oh
Yeah
I'm
Rolling
Deep
Like
The
President
Son
Don't
Make
Me
Start
Laughing
Now
Alright
The
Telephonic
Craptacular
Extravaganza
And
Wondered
What
Happened
At
The
End
It's
Sad
That
It's
The
Last
One
Although
You
Wouldn't
Be
Able
To
Fit
The
Title
On
The
Web
Page
So
I
Guess
It's
A
Good
Thing
I
Know
The
Effort
You
Put
Into
It
And
Believe
Me
We
The
Listeners
Very
Much
Appreciate
Your
Show
And
The
Co-Host
Efforts
I
Even
Get
My
Staff
To
Listen
And
Learn
Well
That's
An
Interesting
Comment
I
Don't
Know
Where
The
Staff
Is
Or
Anything
But
That's
An
Interesting
Statement
I
Guess
They're
The
Pork
Pie
Underlings
The
Pork
Pie
Factory
I
Hope
Well
But
See
I
Mean
We're
Not
Exactly
Safe
For
Work
So
I'm
Not
Sure
I
Hope
We're
Not
Too
Gruesome
And
Overboard
If
He's
The
Boss
Anything
Safe
For
Work
Apparently
So
Alright
Let's
See
I
Am
Keen
To
Explore
The
Issues
Of
Social
Engineering
Social
Engineering
Is
One
Of
The
Subjects
Most
People
Ignore
Although
It
Can
In
Some
Cases
Get
Results
Quickly
Some
Examples
And
Before
He
Goes
Into
A
Couple
Examples
Here
I
Still
Want
To
Do
An
Episode
On
Social
Engineering
I
Don't
Know
If
I'm
Going
To
Get
It
In
Time
For
Season
Two
But
I
Was
Kind
Of
Waiting
And
Hoping
To
Get
A
Particular
Co
Host
To
Do
That
Absolutely
Agree
But
Social
Engineering
Is
A
Very
Tough
Topic
To
Discuss
On
The
Radio
It's
One
Of
Those
Things
To
Me
And
I
Don't
Know
If
You
Agree
Or
Disagree
With
This
Not
Theory
But
It's
One
Of
Things
To
Me
That
You
Really
Have
To
Just
Do
And
Practice
And
Listen
To
People
So
Freak
Factor
I
Think
Is
A
Fantastic
Tool
To
Go
On
Because
It's
Live
Engineering
And
So
What
If
You
Fail
Or
Fall
On
Your
Face
Learn
From
It
And
The
Process
Of
Testing
And
Trying
Things
Will
Make
You
Better
Yeah
Exactly
You
Got
To
Be
Willing
To
Try
It
Otherwise
You're
Never
Going
To
Get
Anywhere
It's
Kind
Like
Sales
If
You're
A
Salesperson
Who's
Afraid
To
Be
Rejected
You're
Never
Going
To
Make
Sales
Call
And
Just
Blast
Through
With
Social
And
Again
I guess
We
Should
Do
This
For
Another
Show
But
You
Don't
Have
To
Pretend
To
Be
Anybody
Necessarily
But
Anyway
That's
A whole
Another
Branch
Did
You
Get
The
Message
I
Left
You
Earlier
By
The
Way
To
Go
Totally
Off
Topic
That
My
Social
Engineering
That
My
Social
Engineering
On
That
Other
Thing
Paid
Off
At
The
Last
Minute
Oh
No
I
Don't
Think
So
Oh
Yeah
We
Got To
Talk
About
That
Off
The
Air
I'm
Sorry
That
Was
A little
Tangent
Between
Not
Theory
And
I
We'll
Come
Back
To
That
Some
Other
Time
Anyway
Back
To
This
Email
Here
I
Got
My
Money
Back
That's
All
I
Was
Saying
Oh
Nice
Yeah
Buddy
Twice
They
Got
Owned
Anyway
Back
To
The
Email
Some
Examples
Language
Is
Very
Important
In
Social
Engineering
I
Have
Seen
A
Number
Of
Suppliers
Reduce
The
Security
Of
A
Product
Just
By
Using
The
Wrong
Language
For
Example
Some
Bluetooth
Devices
Can
Support
Pairing
Keys
Of
Up
To
Eight
Digits
But
Invariably
The
Manual
Uses
The
Term
Pin
When
Referring
To
Security
Which
Suggests
A
Four
Digit
Code
When
You
Think
Of
A
Pin
Of
Course
You
Think
Of
Right
There
You
Just
Kind
Of
Let
Go
That
He
Not
In
The
United
States
With
That
So
Reading
Between
The
Lines
You
Can
Pick
Up
A
Lot
Of
Things
Here
Too
The
User
Is
Being
Conditioned
To
Reduce
The
Quality
Of
Their
Security
Most
People
Think
Of
A
Pin
As
Their
Bank
Card
Pin
Four
Digits
So
Yeah
I'll
Break
For
A
Second
And
Say
Yeah
That's
Absolutely
Right
Language
Is
Very
Important
To
Social
Engineering
In
Many
More
Ways
Than
Just
That
And
Again
It's
Unfortunately
A
Topic
For
Another
Time
But
Your
Language
You
Have
To
Be
Able
To
Adapt
Your
Language
And
Take
Advantage
Of
Your
Language
Whether
It
Be
Accents
Style
And
Type
Of
Speech
How
Articulate
You
Are
There
Are
A
Lot
Of
Things
That
You
Can
Do
And
Change
And
Alter
The
Possibilities
Of
Let's
See
Another
Example
He
Has
Is
Trust
Nobody
Which
Is
One
Of
My
Mottos
I
Use
Google
Groups
Ripe
Dot
Net
Etc
To
Sniff
Out
Personal
Contact
Details
Of
Groups
Or
He
Is
Making
Up
A
Specific
Example
But
Basically
Doing
Some
Footprinting
Go
Out
On
The
Web
Find
Open
Issues
That
The
Company
Is
Having
Find
The
Names
Of
The
People
That
Are
In
That
Open
Issue
And
Then
Use
That
When
You
Make
A
Phone
Call
You
Get
That
Information
And
The
Example
He
Said
And
Call
And
Say
Listen
I'm
Working
With
So
And
So
About
This
Problem
Can
You
Change
Your
Password
To
This
And
Try
Logging
Back
In
For
Me
So
A
Lot
Of
Times
People
Will
Fall
For
That
Use
Of
Familiar
Names
Can
Sometimes
Be
Enough
It's
The
Old
Trusted
Party
Trick
And
It
Proved
Very
Effective
For
Me
In
The
Past
Also
He's
Got
Another
One
Here
Timing
Is
Everything
Pick
Your
Moment
Call
Up
Users
Or
Tech
Support
After
A
Power
Cut
Or
Other
Crisis
They
Are
Usually
Pretty
Ruffled
And
We
Know
How
Procedures
Go
To
The
Wall
When
We
Are
Rushed
Better
Still
If
You
Can't
Sleep
Remember
That
Sorry
If I
Insult
Anyone
But
The
Best
CIS
Admins
Probably
Don't
Work
Through
The
Night
The
Graveyard
Shift
Is
A
Good
Source
Of
Bored
Noobs
Running
On
Default
Who
Are
Bursting
To
Talk
To
Somebody
Again
A
Valid
Point
Some
Sometimes
You'll
Be
Surprised
Sometimes
Those
Third
Shift
Operators
Are
Total
Noobs
That
Can't
Do
Anything
Or
Give
You
Any
Information
Because
They're
Totally
Clueless
You
Hire
A
Lot
Of
Third
Shift
Monkey
Work
Sometimes
People
That
Just
Swap
In
And
Out
Tapes
And
Stuff
And
I've
Seen
Them
First
Hand
So
That's
Not
A
Universal
Truth
But
Yes
You
Certainly
Can
Sometimes
Get
Good
Information
Late
Night
And
I
Think
Even
One
Of
My
Earliest
Articles
In
2600
Was
About
Batch
And
Interactive
Processing
If I
Remember
And
Transaction
Based
Systems
And
It
Talked
About
Kind
Of
A
Similar
Topic
In
So
Far
As
The
Time
Zone
Difference
And
How
You
Should
Play
It
To
Your
Advantage
The
Way
Time
Zones
Work
It
May
Be
Early
Evening
Here
But
It
Three
Hour
Difference
California
There's
Overseas
Of
Course
Whatever
The
Time
Zone
Difference
Happens
To
Be
So
Always
Keep
In
Mind
What
Time
It
Is
At
The
Place
That
You
Are
Calling
So
Timing
Is
Everything
Timing
Is
A
Lot
So
Anyway
Oh
One
More
Thing
Prawn
MP3
Games
Etc
If
You
Want
To
Target
ICT
Staff
He
Keeps
Saying
ICT
Am
I
Missing
What
Is
C
ICT
Computer
Technology
Information
And
Computer
Technology
I
Guess
Okay
See
And
That's
Another
Term
He's
Using
There
And
Earlier
He
Said
What
Was
It
Power
Cuts
Instead
Of
Power
Outage
Anyway
Yeah
So
A lot
Of
Stuff
You
Can
Read
Into
The
Language
Even
Of
An
Email
So
Not
All
Social
Engineering
Is
Over
The
Phone
Or
Well
It's
Not
Over
The
Phone
A
Lot
Of
It's
In
Person
Face
To
Face
A
Lot
Of
It's
Via
Email
Which
Is
What
I
Was
Referring
To
Earlier
With
Not
Theory
And
Well
That's
A
Combination
Thereof
But
Anyway
If
You
Want
To
Target
IT
Staff
ICT
Staff
Then
Disguise
Your
Payload
As
Any
One
Of
These
Things
PRAWN
MP3
Games
Etc
Bring
Them
Up
And
Milking
Them
For
Information
Based
On
The
Chance
They
Will
Win
An
iPod
Has
An
Amazing
Effects
Recently
Anyway
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
So
Yeah
I
Kind
Of
Answered
That
As
We
Went
Along
So
I
Don't
Know
Really
What
More
To
Follow
Up
With
On
That
Except
That
Basically
Sometimes
Social
Enjoying
I
Kind
Of
Referred
To
This
Earlier
Sometimes
It's
Pretending
To
Be
Somebody
From
A
Different
Company
Or
Using
A
Different
Name
Personally
I
Don't
Really
Go
For
That
Myself
I
Don't
Like
It
Feels
Dirty
I
Don't
Really
Like
Going
That
Route
Myself
I
Would
Rather
Talk
Them
To
Death
I
Would
Rather
Go
With
The
Nice
Guy
Route
Play
The
Southern
Charm
Sometimes
Go
Hostile
If
You
Have
To
Or
Just
Throw
Some
Trickery
In
There
I
Don't
Know
I
Prefer
To
Just
Get
My
Information
By
Not
Pretending
To
Be
Someone
Else
At
Least
Not
Someone
Specific
You
Can
Pretend
To
Be
An
Interested
Customer
Or
An
Interested
Student
Or
Something
Like
That
But
I
Don't
Like
Saying
My
Name
I
Am
Such
And
Such
A
Name
I
Don't
Know
For
Me
I'm
Not
Real
Comfortable
With
That
But
Hey
You
Do
What
You
Got
To
Do
To
Get
The
Information
You
Want
So
Everybody
Can
Draw
Their
Own
Lines
So
Yeah
And
The
Other
Thing
Is
Simply
Improv
You
Have
To
Be
Quick
On
Your
Feet
You
Have
To
Be
Off
The
Cuff
You
Have
To
Be
Able
To
Make
Stuff
Up
Improv
To
Just
Kind
Of
Roll
With
Whatever
The
Situation
Gives
You
Yeah
Exactly
You
Can't
Really
Plan
For
Everything
There
Are
Some
Instances
Where
Some
Of
A
Script
Will
Help
You
If
You
Need
To
Do
Some
Similar
Thing
Over
And
Over
And
Over
Again
Sometimes
It
Will
Help
You
A
Little
Bit
But
You
Always
Got
To
Be
Ready
For
When
They
Throw
Some
Kind
Of
Curve
Ball
Your
Way
Right
I
Mean
You
Can
Memorize
The
Script
To
Call
Walmart
And
Tell
Them
You
Got
A
Shoplifter
And
You
Want
To
Find
Them
Down
The
Isle
But
You
Know
What
That
Gets
Kind
Of
Old
Sometimes
You
Want
To
Be
To
Adapt
And
Kind
Of
Change
In
Case
They
Transfer
You
Somewhere
Else
Or
In
Case
Something
Somebody
Starts
To
Question
You
Need
To
Be
Able
To
Respond
And
Try
To
Keep
It
Going
Things
Like
That
So
Preparing
A
Script
Is
All
Well
And
Good
But
Really
It
I
Don't
Know
Maybe
It's
Just
Me
But
To
Me
I
Really
Think
That's
One
Of
Those
You
Can
Teach
Some
Techniques
But
A
Lot
Of
It
Is
Just
I
Don't
Know
A
Gift
An
Innate
Ability
Some
People
Just
Have
The
Gift
Of
Gab
They
Really
Do
So
Anyway
I
Guess
Let's
Boy
That
Was
A
Good
Email
To
Start
With
But
Let's
Try
To
Burn
Through
Some
Of
These
Others
If
I
Can
I'm
Not
Very
Good
At
Burning
Through
Email
But
The
Next
Email
Is
From
Trust
Non
Trust
N-O-N
I
Don't
Think
That's
Supposed
To
Trust
No
One
Is
It
Looks
Like
Trust
Non
But
I
Don't
Know
That's
What
It
Came
Across
As
One
Of
Us
Had
A
Typo
Him
Or
Me
We'll
Call
him
Trust
Non
Who
Says
You've
Probably
Heard
This
Before
But
From
Loads
Of
Folk
But
I
Thought
It
Was
Worth
Mentioning
The
Proxy
At
My
School
Blocks
Both
BinRev.com
And
RantRadio.com
These
Are
The
Only
Ones
I
Tried
But
It
Looks
Like
Any
Site
That
Has
The
Slightest
Piece
Of
Controversy
Is
Blocked
Yeah
We've
Heard
This
Song
Before
I've
Also
Found
That
A
Large
Number
Of
Forms
And
Email
Services
Are
Banned
Including
Gmail
Yahoo
Etc
Well
That's
Kind
Of
Going
A
Little
Bit
Far
But
I
Guess
Maybe
They
Maybe
Instead
Of
It's
Pretty
Much
The
Only
Email
Site
That
You
Can
Get
Through
This
Proxy
I
Finally
Got
So
Annoyed
With
This
That
I
Have
Set
Up
NPH
Proxy
On
A
Server
So
That
I
Can
Use
The
Internet
Properly
The
System
Displays
A
Message
That
You
Are
To
Contact
A
Class
Teacher
To
Unblock
A
Site
Most
Of
The
Teachers
Don't
Know
How
To
Fix
This
And
The
Others
Know
That
You
Can
All
I
Can
Say
Is
That
NPH
Proxy
Is
Pretty
Useful
And
Is
Worth
A
Look
To
Any
Listeners
Who
Have
Never
Heard
Of
It
I
Also
Like
The
Way
You
Can
Use
HTTPS
When
The
Network
Is
Very
Picky
Just
A
Little
Bit
Of
Info
For
Those
Who
Have
Never
Heard
Of
It
Before
All
Right
Trust
Nine
Thank
You
For
That
And
Yeah
We've
Heard
Certain
Sites
Net
Nanny
Cyber
Sitter
And
Stuff
Like
That
Some
That
Block
Us
And
Some
That
Don't
I
Don't
Know
The
Complete
List
Or
Anything
But
Yeah
Proxy
Service
The
Way
To
Get
Around
That
Of
Course
But
We
Can't
Outright
Condone
You
Putting
Software
On
There
Just
Be
Careful
You
Don't
Get
Caught
Installing
Something
That
You
Shouldn't
Be
Installing
At
School
We
Hold
No
Liability
For
Wait
Until
You
Get
Home
And
Then
You
Can
Jack
Online
And
Hook
Up
To
Bin
Rev
And
Get
Your
Fix
For
The
Night
But
Yes
NPH
I
Guess
NPH
Proxy
Solves
The
Problem
As
Well
Oh
And
Also
The
HTTPS
Comment
I
Think
We
Talked
About
This
Before
In
Relation
To
The
Great
Firewall
Of
China
And
How
People
Were
Tunneling
Through
That
Because
HTTPS
Is
A
Secure
Protocol
And
The
Packets
Are
Encrypted
So
It
Makes
It
A
Little
Bit
Easier
For
You
To
Slip
Through
Content
Filters
You
Can't
Not
Going
To
See
Keywords
Or
Anything
That
They
May
Be
Searching
For
Because
They're
Encrypted
And
Therefore
Are
Not
Going
To
Be
Seen
In
Plain
Text
Or
Filtered
Through
In
Plain
Text
So
That
Makes
Them
Tough
But
A
Doing
An
Email
Which
One
Are
We
On
Booter
We're
On
Booter
Yeah
I'm
Going
To
Take
A
Breath
Here
All
Right
Okay
Booter
Says
Yahoo
Recently
Took
A
Different
Path
Toward
Expanding
Its
Search
Capabilities
It's
Focusing
On
The
User
Experience
Enter
Mindset
Which
Is
Mindset
Research
Yahoo
Is
New
Intent
Driven
Beta
Search
Tool
Ooh
This
Sounds
Scary
Through
The
Use
Of
Machine
Learning
For
Attaches
A
More
Specific
Search
Strength
To
Better
Classify
Web
Pages
In
The
First
Hundred
Results
For
Any
Search
Query
Results
Are
Sorted
According
To
User
Preference
For
Commercial
Or
Non-Commercial
Sites
Yahoo
Mindset
Is
A
Far
More
Interesting
Development
For
The
Search
Engine
Marketing
Industry
Than
Slide
Bar
The
Results
Differ
Quite
A
Bit
I
Hoping
That
They
Don't
Begin
To
Track
Your
Search
Results
By
Login
Like
Google
Wow
What's
The
First
I've
Heard
Of
This
Have
You
Messed
With
This
At
All
I
Actually
Thank
You
Booter
For
The
Email
Because
Yes
I
Went
After
I
Got
This
Email
And
Did
Play
Around
With
It
And
It
The
Mindset
Part
Of
Things
Shopping
Sales
Sites
You
Slide
It
To
One
Side
If
You
Looking
For
More
Of
A
Personal
Research
Type
Site
You
Slide
To
The
Left
And
Basically
It
Probably
Eliminates
A few
Keywords
Or
Things
That
Are
Heavy
On
Ordering
Or
Buying
And
Vice
Versa
So
That
Part
Really
Didn't
Impress
Me
A
Whole
Lot
It
Was
Pretty
Straight
Forward
But
What
Did
Occupy
A
Lot
Of
My
Time
Because
Of
Course
I
Really
I
Like
Yahoo
I
Like
Some
Google
Stuff
Too
But
I
Really
Like
Yahoo
A
Lot
Of
The
Stuff
That
They
Do
Is
Mirror
Images
Of
Google
And
A
Lot
Of
The
Stuff
They're
Doing
And
Some
Things
Google
Does
Better
Some
Things
Yahoo
Does
Better
Which
Is
Kind
Of
Cool
But
What
I
Found
More
Fun
That
Occupied
My
Time
Was
Just
Going
To
Research
Yahoo
Dot
That's
Their
Version
Of
Google
Labs
Which
Oddly
Enough
Or
Funnily
I
Guess
Funnily
Is
That
A
Word
Funnily
Enough
No
Funny
Enough
Well
I'm
Saying
It
Is
Damn
And
I
Just
Made
It
Up
And
I
Get
Copyright
Credit
And
I'm
Going
To
Put
In
The
Dictionary
And
Anytime
Anybody
Uses
Funnily
I'm
Going
To
Talk
About
Copyright
And
Trademark
And
All
That
Nonsense
Oh
You've
Ironically
Then
How
About
That
Go
To
Labs
Yahoo
Dot
Com
And
It
Will
Redirect
You
To
Research
Yahoo
Dot
Com
Which
Again
Is
Their
Version
Of
Google
Labs
Where
They
Do
A lot
Of
Their
Stuff
That
They're
Working
On
Downloadable
Applications
Some
Beta
Products
And
Stuff
Like
That
And
They've
Got
Some
Interesting
Things
Going
On
There
So
You
Might
Want
To
Check
That
Out
But
In
General
I'm
Telling
They're
Competing
On
A
Lot
Of
Different
Things
They're
Doing
A
Lot
Of
Stuff
Similarly
Again
Some
Doing
Better
Than
Others
For
Example
Yahoo
Groups
Has
Been
Around
A
Lot
Longer
Than
Google
Groups
Google
Is
Trying
To
Kind
Of
Blur
The
Line
Between
Google
Groups
And
Usenet
Groups
Which
It
Also
Owns
So
It
Makes
It
Kind
Of
Tricky
And
They're
Kind
Of
Trying
To
Blur
On
But
The
Functionality
Is
Not
Quite
There
I
Think
Yahoo
Groups
Completely
Blows
It
Away
A
Lot
More
Functionality
And
I
Think
The
Same
Thing
About
Yahoo
Shopping
They
Had
The
Shopping
A
Long
Time
Ago
And
I
Really
Don't
Use
It
A
Whole
Lot
But
It
Is
Definitely
Better
Design
Better
Layout
In
My
Opinion
In
A
Way
Than
Yahoo
And
The
Oh
For
Sure
I
Know
Google
Just
Recently
Launched
That
My
I
Don't
Know
If
They
Call
It
My
Google
But
The
Customized
Google
Where
You
Can
Add
Local
Weather
And
Stuff
To
The
Google
Page
Have
You
Tried
That
Yet
No
It's
Such
Crap
It's
Got
Maybe
Ten
Things
You
Can
Customize
I
Mean
It's
Not
Even
In
The
Ballpark
With
My
Yahoo
My
Yahoo
Has
Been
My
Start
Page
For
Five
Years
Or
More
I
Mean
Nobody
Actually
I
Have
To
Say
MSN
Whatever
MSN
My
MSN
Page
Is
Actually
Not
Too
Bad
Either
It's
No
My
Yahoo
But
It's
Better
Than
Google
Also
Google
Is
Definitely
In
Last
Place
As
Far
As
That
Goes
But
It's
New
It's
New
To
Google
So
You
Know
I
Guess
Give
Them
Some
Time
But
Yeah
My
Yahoo
Beats
The
Holy
Bejesus
Out
Of
Anything
Else
Out
There
As
Far
As
Customized
Search
Page
But
At
The
Same
Time
Google
Maps
Totally
Kicks
Yahoo
Maps
Right
In
The
Nutsack
Yeah
Definitely
Oh
Man
Google
Maps
Is
So
Much
Better
Than
Yahoo
Maps
Or
Any
Other
Map
Site
It's
So
Good
And
As
Far
As
The
Mail
Services
Gmail
Came
Out
With
The
Giga
Space
And
Now
It's
Up
To
Two
Gigs
And
Climbing
Big
Whoop
I
Don't
Need
All
That
Doesn't
Impress
Me
What
About
Functionality
What
About
The
Things
That
It
Can
Do
For
Me
And
It
Doesn't
Do
As
Much
As
The
Yahoo
Mail
I
Mean
Yahoo
Is
Actually
Bumped
Up
To
A
Gig
Yeah
It's
In
Response
To
Gmail
You
Know
But
That
Doesn't
Matter
What
The
Reason
Is
To
Me
The
Functionality
Has
Always
Been
Better
I
Like
The
Folder
Motif
Moving
Things
Into
Folder
And
You
Can
Search
Yahoo
Mail
Just
Like
You
Search
Gmail
So
As
Far
As
That
Functionality
You
Can
Search
Through
Your
Yahoo
Mail
Just
As
Easily
Plus
Yahoo
Offers
You
Calendars
And
All
Kinds
Of
Other
Stuff
That
Google
Doesn't
Have
Yet
Google
Is
Supposed
To
Be
Developing
A
Calendar
I
Believe
I
Don't
Know
When
It's
Going
To
Be
But
I
Think
They
Announced
That
They
Are
Developing
A
Calendaring
System
So
I'm
Telling
There
Is
Some
Very
Good
Healthy
Competition
Going
On
Between
The
Two
Of
These
Companies
So
It's
All
About
And
I've
Said
Before
On
The
Show
That
The
Search
Engine
Results
Themselves
I
Don't
Know
If
You'll
Agree
Or
Disagree
With
Me
On
This
Or
If
You've
Tried
Too
Many
Of
These
But
To
Me
Google
Yahoo
And
MSN
Search
Are
All
Interchangeable
To
Me
Now
They
All
Give
Me
The
Similar
Or
Same
Results
The
Same
Number
Of
Results
The
Only
Difference
Is
That
Maybe
One
Has
Updated
Has
Indexed
More
Recently
Than
The
Other
Some
Pages
There's
Always
Going
To
Be
A
Little
Bit
Of
Difference
But
As
Far
As
How
Much
They
Cover
Now
And
How
Many
Pages
They're
All
Interchangeable
To
Me
People
Think
I'm
An
Idiot
When
I
Say
This
But
The
Only
Search
Engine
I
Use
At
All
Is
Google
And
The
Reason
Is
Not
Because
I
Think
Google
Is
The
Best
Thing
In
The
World
But
It's
My
Start
Page
And
I
Search
For
Stuff
And
The
Programming
Stuff
I'm
Looking
For
Pretty
Much
I
Find
Everything
I
Need
So
It's
My
One
Stop
shop
Yeah
I
Have
My
Yahoo
As
Yahoo
I
Usually
Don't
Bother
To
Use
That
I
Usually
Have
Bookmarked
I
Have
Shortcuts
Up
In
My
Firefox
Bar
Shortcut
To
Google
Search
A
Shortcut
To
MSN
Search
And
A
Shortcut
To
Yahoo
Search
Yahoo
Dot
Com
So
I
Have
All
Three
Of
Them
Up
There
And
I
Just
Randomly
Click
One
Each
Time
I
Try
To
Mix
And
Match
Between
them
So
I
Can
Keep
Up
With
All
The
Different
On
And
Again
No
Matter
Which
One
I
Pick
I
Usually
Find
What
I
Want
Or
What
I
Looking
For
So
For
The
Most
Part
Try
Them
All
And
See
If
There's
Any
Difference
For
You
But
Again
The
Email
Itself
Research
Dot
Yahoo
Dot
Com
And
You'll
See
A
Lot
Of
Other
Cool
Projects
Coming
Up
From
Yahoo
Just
Like
The
Stuff
Coming
Up
From
Google
So
Check
That
Out
I
Did
Not
Look
To
See
If
MSN
Has
A
Has
A
Similar
Deal
But
Yeah
MSN
Is
Not
As
Interesting
To
Me
I
Guess
I
Don't
Know
Alright
Next
Email
Comes
From
Systems
Glitch
As
I
Try
To
Catch
Up
Here
Systems
Glitch
Says
For
A
Second
There
I
Thought
It
Might
Be
System
Shock
Sore
But
Luckily
It
Was
Systems
Glitch
I
Was
Excited
I
Was
All
I
Was
All
Happy
But
Now
It's
Systems
Glitch
Which
I'm
Still
Happy
Don't
Get
Me
Wrong
Systems
Glitch
Says
I've
Been
Listening
To
The
Old
Archived
Episodes
On
My
MP3
Player
Since
Things
Yeah
I'm
Going
To
Skip
That
Name
Just
In
Case
I
Guess
I
Can
Say
At
This
Particular
Military
Academy
I
Think
I
Can
Say
That
Safely
There's
A
Few
Of
Those
And
I'm
Behind
By
About
Nine
Months
I
Was
Listening
To
Episode
81
Or
82
And
Heard
Mention
Of
War
Shitting
Oh
Yeah
War
Shitting
Is
A
Classic
Bit
Which
Reminded
Me
Of
802.11
Experiments
At
School
Kriegscheisen
Wow
He
Provided
Pronunciation
For
Me
Which
Is
Good
Kriegscheisen
That's
Nice
Is
German
For
War
Shitting
See
I
Learned
Something
On
This
Episode
Of
Binary
Revolution
Radio
A
Very
Special
Binary
Revolution
Radio
I
Learned
How
To
Say
German
War
Shitting
In
German
That's
Great
Kriegscheisen
And
For
All
Of
You
Listeners
If
I'm
At
Def
Con
And
You
Hear
Me
Yell
Out
Kriegscheisen
You
Know
Where
I'm
Going
See
We're
All
Enlightened
Thank
You
Thank
You
Systems
Glitch
For
Bringing
Us
All
Up
A
Notch
By
Teaching
Us
German
Dirty
Words
Thank
You
Kriegscheisen
Was
Used
In
Context
With
My
Roommate
In
Military
School
Who
In
A
Seemingly
Unconnected
Incident
Was
The
First
In
The
Battalion
And
Only
As
Far
As
I
Know
To
Use
A
Laptop
While
Shitting
As
Part
Of
Our
Test
For
High
Gain
Copper
To
Wireless
Transceiver
Experiment
It
Turned
About
To
Be
A
Good
Selling
Point
For
Our
Pirate
Wireless
System
Access
To
The
School
Network
Was
Proxy
Through
Wireless
And
Charged
For
The
WEP
Keys
Like
WEP
Is
Hard
To
Crack
So
We
Told
People
It
Works
Anywhere
Even
When
You're
Taking
A
Shit
Alright
Now
Hold
On
A
Second
Now
Let's
Be
Honest
Here
Let's
Just
Get
This
Out
In
The
Open
Your
Boys
In
A
Bathroom
In
Military
School
Which
Is
Mostly
Guys
Downloading
Prawn
He's
Not
War
Shitting
He's
War
Jacking
Two
Completely
Different
Things
Yeah
I have
To
Agree
With
You
There
Yeah
Come
On
There's
Some
War
Jacking
Going
On
There
Maybe
He's
Just
Reading
The
Articles
On
Rate
My
Pooh
Dot
Com
Or
Whatever
Weird
Site
He's
Going
To
That's
Good
Reading
On
There
Oh
Yeah
I'm
Holding
Back
Another
Joke
I'm
Going
To
Save
That
One
Okay
Next
Email
Actually
I tell
You
What
Why
Don't
You
Read
The
Next
Email
Because
It
Kind
Of
Relates
A
Little
Bit
To
Your
Project
Oh
Okay
Hey
Stankdog
I've
Been
Catching
Up
On
Old
Episodes
And
I
Really
Love
Bin
Rev
Radio
Freak
Factor
And
Hack
TV
Kudos
To
Everyone
At
Bin
Rev
dot
Com
I
Just
Want
To
Ask
If
Freak
Factor
Is
Going
To
Get
A
Podcast
Or
If
There
Already
Was
One
Or
What
The
URL
Love
The
Site
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
Okay
Will
There
Be
A
Podcast
Yeah
Sure
I
Have
To
Admit
That
I
Know
All
About
Podcasting
But
I've
Never
Done
It
Because
I'm
A
Lazy
Bastard
But
If
People
Really
Want
It
I'll
Set
It
Up
It's
Just
An
XML
File
Right
That's
Got
A
Couple
Links
And
It's
No
Big
Deal
Yeah
It's
Very
Simple
Straightforward
And
There
Are
Actually
Already
Scripts
Out
There
Written
That'll
Look
Through
Your
Directory
And
All
You
Gotta
Do
Is
Drop
The
File
In
There
And
It'll
Automatically
Update
Of
Course
Nick
84
Has
Written
Some
Scripts
That
Can
Probably
Be
Modified
Easily
To
Do
The
Same
Thing
So
It's
Not
There's
Not
That
Much
To
Making
It
You
Can
Make
A
Manually
If
You
Wanted
To
For
All
You
Know
It's
Not
Much
To
It
For
Setting
It
Up
But
I
Just
Still
Think
It's
So
Funny
That
And
You
And
I
Said
From
The
Beginning
We
Weren't
Even
Going to
Record
This
Damn
Show
And
Here
We
Are
Making
Maybe
We'll
Record it
In
In case
Something
Funny
Happens
But
I
Didn't
Think
It
Would
Be
Like
I
Didn't
Think
People
Would
Want
To
It
Every
Week
Not
That
I
Think
It's
Bad
Or
Anything
I
Just
Thought
Like
It
Was
Something
For
The
Participants
To
Mess
Around
With
At
The
Time
And
Then
Talk
About
In
The
For
Week
But
Not
Really
Go
Back
And
Listen
To
As
If
It
Was
Meant
To
Be
A
Real
Informational
Show
But
By
The
Way
Since
The
Show
Started
Since
We
Started
Recording
We
Had
Like
300
Downloads
Of
Freak
Factor
7
Obviously
Not
Because
We
Told
Them
But
Just
Because
I
Posted
On
The
Forums
And
It's
Just
Insane
It
Blows
My
Mind
How
Much
Bandwidth
Every
Month
Goes
To
Freak
Factor
Well
I
Don't
Know
It's
Definitely
You
Know
We
Said
All
Along
Too
That
This
Was
Kind
Of
An
Experimental
Show
We
Done
Just
For
The
Challenge
And
Just
To
Do
Something
Different
And
Unique
And
It's
Even
Doing
Things
That
We
Didn't
Even
Expect
When
We
Started
This
Experiment
So
We
Are
Actually
Surprised
With
A lot
Of
The
Results
Which
Is
Great
Which
Is
Awesome
Yeah
I
Was
Initially
In
It
Just
For
The
Technology
I
Wanted
To
Get
Aster
Streaming
And
Do
Some
Cool
Phone
System
Stuff
But
I
Getting
A
Things
To
Add
To
It
When
We
Get
Around
To
It
I
Guess
And
That
Email
Yeah
That
Email
Was
From
Someone
Who
Sent
Their
Real
Name
So
Of
Course
Not
Theory
Did
Not
Read
That
On
The
Air
That
Was
A
Good
Choice
Um
Okay
Next
Email
Let's
See
Oh
Let's
See
This
Young
Okay
I
Got
Another
Email
From
A
Real
Name
And
I
Not
Going
To
Read
This
On
Air
Just
In
Case
Maybe
If
I
Read
The
Email
It
Will
Be
Self
Explanatory
Why
This
Person
Says
Stank
How's
It
Going
I
Recently
Listened
To
The
94th
Episode
Of
Bin
Rev
Radio
Of
And
Wanted
To
Comment
On
Your
Reaction
To
Having
A
Female
Write
To
You
I
Have
Been
Listening
To
Your
Show
Since
Episode
83
And
I
Enjoy
It
Very
Much
Please
Do
Not
Be
Surprised
If
A
Hacker but I am certainly a geek a mac geek to be specific however I know a good amount about all the major os's out there and can even build my own windows box I'm not elite but I can speak it let's see that right there is a great t-shirt slogan to me by the way I'm not elite but I can speak it yeah anyway I am an electrical engineer at I don't know if I should read I'm not going to skip the university name just in case and I'm starting my masters of manufacturing engineering in the fall hacking freaking freaking in the fall.
So yeah the reason I didn't read the real name on the air is just in case any of you freaky perverts out there start looking her up and trying to send her email or dirty pictures of yourselves on rapemypooh.com or whatever.
Freaky perverts out there you mean like yourself people who are taking you to the stank dog?
I have like an autoresponder if it detects that the person who sent the email is female it automatically sends a naked picture of me back.
Well it's a naked picture of Brad Pitt but with my name over it.
Yeah nice.
That's what got me into the EDP at first I was pretending like I was a chick I got that picture I was like oh my god I'm dead with this guy.
Then when we met each other in real life for the first time we were both highly aroused actually but that's I guess a different story.
Yeah I was like you're even hotter than a person.
That's a story for another time but no actually joking aside I'm not surprised that women listen to the show.
I mean don't get don't get me wrong or anything but come on let's be honest here and we're honest on this show.
So you're you're you're an engineering major I mean we're intelligent people here what do you think the ratio of male to female listeners is honestly how many female listeners do you think there are?
I mean I think it's great that you're listening and we've had others in the past people have emailed that's great but let's be honest I think you're in the extreme minority binary revolution radio let's face it we're a sausage party.
It's a giant sausage party online the majority and this is there is actually a panel at DEF CON I believe and I've seen this panel at other revolution will be a sausage party.
Don't give them that sound bite to play.
Oh man there's there's a you're talking about the panel.
Yeah there's a panel that's that about why there aren't very many females in the hacking scene as it were and I don't know exactly why that is except that
generally it is traditionally it's a male dominated um I don't know sub genre or whatever you know a scene I don't know what the proper term is here but
it's just always predominantly male dominated now that's not a good thing or a bad thing but it's a matter of fact and as an engineer I think you probably know how to deal with facts.
I would love if there were more young ladies see I can't say chicks now I gotta sound all intelligent and non uh sexist and everything.
I wish that there were more young ladies involved in hacking I really do being an old man of course I really do but um I tell you what I'll do it like this well let's let's make a challenge out of this.
I'll hereby come right out on the show episode 101 if you're a female listener stand up this is your chance stand up and be heard email us and let me know confirm okay somehow I don't know how we're going to confirm that they're a female or not send me an email so I guess we'll have to do the honor system here or something or you know chicks can send pics whatever but just email me and confirm that you are a female who listens to the show.
And we'll do the honor system it doesn't matter just out of curiosity and let's see let's make a game of this I'm going to put you on the spot here not theory let's go ahead and put this out there I know for a fact that we had well not exactly a fact but according to our statistics that we had around 6,000 plus downloads of episode 98 of the show I just checked out of 6,000 downloads how many emails do you think we will get now that I have said this on the air
if you are a female listening to the show email me how many emails from female listeners do you think we're going to get now keep in mind people can send in fake emails and forge them I'm going to ask them to not you know let's play fair a little bit we all know you can spoof emails or go to a remail or whatever so let's play fair and let's see because this is kind of a fun experiment not theory what do you think out of 6,000 plus downloads how many people how many females do you think will email us after this?
less than 20 less than 20 less okay I'm saying even less than than 12 I'm saying less I'll say less I'll say less than a dozen that's my guess so and if a dozen do and if more do that's great actually I would love to lose this I would love to be wrong so prove me wrong please but yeah I'm saying less than 12 let's see how this works out this is 101 let's see by episode 102 which is a week from today see how many people
emails so oh also that being said the last comment she says maybe we'll see you at DEF CON 13 absolutely let me come out now on the show and say that I'll gladly meet anybody any of our listeners at DEF CON and thank you personally for supporting us and supporting the show male female alike you know the best thing probably to do and I said this in the forums is to meet me after my presentation right now I'm scheduled
we'll present Saturday night from 8 to 9 and track 1 now they claim that they're going to change that that they're changing everybody around that these are tentative times so I hopefully don't they won't change it now that I've announced it on the show but the best time to meet me is right after that there's no more presentations I'm the last presenter of the day we can go hang out at the pool we can go grab something to eat we can meet everybody
and sign magazines or whatever I don't I don't I don't I'm not going to be able to bring magazines with me unfortunately because DEF CON charges too much for tables and I don't have the luggage space and whatnot but I'll be glad to meet as many people as possible and not theory will be naked so that's a bonus
yeah I'm always naked at DEF CON sometimes I have the shaving cream bikini on but most of the time I'm just naked yeah that's why usually we push him into the pool first thing when the party starts so get him all washed up and clean alright let's see the last email here you know what I'm going to be lazy again why don't you read this one for me
which one are we talking about here luminaire from luminaire the last email alrighty luminaire says I have the honored distinguishment of working my ass off to come to become a highly placed network technician at a large company however I'm still young in years I wish I had a dollar for every time that I had my credentials questioned due to my age or lack of lack of practical experience I have been questioned twice in the past week regarding my ability to perform simple operations on a production Linux server
even on my least important Unix box I was recently asked if I was qualified to work on a production Linux system and shortly thereafter question how to determine IP address under FreeBSD unfortunately the very same arrogant individuals who piss you off actively work against me by encouraging others to look for an unpronounceable title followed by a healthy alphabet suit instead of talent and ability
in the last few weeks I've been forced to partially join in on the smoke blowing and add a title to my signature file unfortunately the frequency with my qualifications I've been questioned has decreased most likely due to the addition of this useless piece of information the long and the short is that idiots are easily led by smoke and mirrors instead of paying attention to what really matters the ability to perform a task I hope I haven't wasted your time and what I said makes sense keep up the good work stank and not fury
yeah it makes perfect sense to me anyway how about you oh yeah yeah that's why on all my emails I just I write the alphabet like 15 or 20 times and just put a bunch of punctuation and spaces in there and people never email me back
holy crap this guy knows everything yeah yeah I this is obviously kind of a response somewhat to my rant or rants plural but I had a pretty good rant about the
the whole security professional thing and all those damn letters that people put after their name like they're somehow impressive to me no it's your actions and it's exactly I mean this email was just hit it right on the head luminaire you absolutely hit it you get it you know what we're talking about you feel exactly the way I feel that it's all about what you can do not what stupid title you have there's a lot of people out there that work their way up and just have impressive sounding titles
whether they be it titles whether they be it titles government people um gosh just any number of examples but we'll stick with it here and so much of it is based on politics and who you know and who you blow and etc etc and how much ash you kiss so many things but the bottom line is can you do the job see the thing is most people don't have enough understanding themselves
to judge someone else to judge someone else's competency they're not smart enough to determine if you're smart or not and that's so sad I need a moment to cry silently for a second here
it's really really sad they're so incompetent they're so incompetent that they can't tell if you're competent and that's what bugs me I mean it's like they they'll rely on other people and other people in the form of certifying agencies to give you these letter alphabet soup crap after your name and because you have that oh well I'm not smart enough to tell if this person's competent but he's got these letters after his name so someone smarter than me must say
he's okay so therefore I say he's okay he must be great because he's got that I mean that's is that not the most ridiculous concept you've ever heard that's like me saying you know not theory Tron is one elite motherfucker you know that right
oh I know all right see I recognize fool I well I'm see I validated it and therefore it must be true yeah of course that's that's such a bizarre concept to me it really is just oh very frustrating and yeah anybody who relies on a piece of paper or these letters or anything like that obviously is lacking intelligence competency whatever themselves and personally I've I've got I don't want to say
sound like an ass but I do think I have kind of a gift for I can know within moments of meeting somebody whether they know what they're talking about or not I'll know within a few minutes of speaking to you from your tone of voice from the content of what you say and what you don't say you know and what you're willing to say or pretending I can read people very well so I don't know it's great certifications there's nothing wrong with them per se you know you'll learn something from them but relying on those
certifications is way too much certification should be a bonus not a certification of competency because it certainly is not but I guess I'm not going to go into too much of a rant on this but a little bit of a soapbox that in the business world I mean this is reality and not theory I know you can back me up on this it's very common in the business world there's so many people and there's so many incompetent people that they have to make these rules
to generalize everything to generalize everything so that they can judge competency and can make decisions there's no such thing as a case by case basis in the business world they're going to lump everybody under the same banner and say okay well everybody has to have this certification or you obviously aren't good enough to do your job you know they make these generalizations of people and they'll automatically assume that because somebody has XYZ piece of paper
somebody else I know 15 16 year old young people who will blow the crap out of a lot of system administrators out there making $80,000 a year can I get an amen
can I get an amen on that oh no I'm sorry I didn't mean I didn't mean Michael Jackson blow I didn't mean I didn't mean like yeah I didn't mean like on Neverland Ranch kind of no no no no
okay so yeah it's it's pretty sad and it was one of the things that really drug me down for a while when I was younger and I finally I learned it the hard way I kind of I had some incidents and some problems at different jobs where I questioned decisions and I went about things differently than other people they ask you to do it one way and I would find a better way a faster more efficient way and it ends up coming back to haunt me
I end up paying the price for it so I kind of realized that in the business world things are people are set in their ways it's very difficult to change that system head on going into it head on with that attitude of you know I'm going to change everybody because I know more than them well you know what sometimes knowing more than them is not enough so I learned to adapt and fight from the inside and that's what I try to do every day I go into work and again not theory I'm sure you can
back well I don't know maybe you can back me up on this have to go in every day in your business casual you've been there for no no you didn't have to do oh geez see I have to go in I've been lucky enough to you know get some get some pretty well paying jobs that absolutely never required any type of attire that was like business casual or anything like that I just go in wearing whatever I want doesn't matter if it's Jimi Hendrix t-shirt or fucking fear factory t-shirt whatever I could wear whatever
the hell I want nobody gave a shit yeah one of my earlier jobs was like that but as I moved up the ladder into different positions I had to conform as it were and have to smile and nod and kind of play the political games and what not so I realized that kind of fighting and arguing head on with stuff and questioning things is not exactly the way to go about it money talks to these people and putting together a nice presentation or
writing up a paper writing up a paper an analysis side by side showing that you know an open source alternative would be more successful or will save a lot of money at cost benefit analysis type thing show stuff like that and believe it or not there's a lot of social engineering that goes into this like what I did one time for example to sell a project or sell a piece of software to someone was I showed them that it was in this particular trade magazine
got interviewed in this trade magazine wow you're the first person ever do this and this is groundbreaking how do you feel about and I actually sold this to one of my managers saying hey that could be you you would be getting the credit you could be in the magazines being interviewed you would look great the department would look great the university would look great you you you you you and it worked I got a piece of software sold and moved in and the decision made by doing that so change things from the inside I guess
true to do
your things that would look greatiska flavor I guess on stuff POLITICOLFORMèveCola idea theory and can get a you know you're in a position where you don't get hassled by the man so much then God bless you but there's those are few and far between you're very lucky to even to have had a position like that everything that I've ever seen is very
very um very business casual i guess is the only nice way to do it so yeah it kind of sucks
sometimes it's um it's annoying how certain things happen in the business world and certain people
are treated and respected based on certifications and papers and things that are honestly meaningless
in the grand scheme of things the important thing is how do you respond to it you know you can hack
the system but you have to hack it from the inside sometimes anyway boy that was way too overkill for
that topic i think but i don't know i had to get some things off my chest see a lot of this is
therapeutic for me so like you as the listeners yeah you as the listeners no no no that was all me
that was all about just me feeling i just laid back on my couch and was just kind of venting and you
guys are just my my psychiatrists out there you're just listening to me bitch and complain
and oh how true that is sometimes all right well um we boy i knew that was going to we had a lot of
email a lot of good email we got a little bit of time left we can't let's do a quick uh show and tell
i guess and um let's see i'll i'll go quickly first and then i can take a breath here um
i mentioned earlier that we had our bin rev meeting so i'm not going to go into too much
detail about that but i already talked about that at the beginning uh one other follow-up thing i
mentioned quite a while back that um i was putting together a windows server 2003 box and i was
talking about how i had six hard drives in there 1.5 terabase server uh mirrored uh i'm sorry raid
raid 5 and i ended up having problems with it because i had it configured incorrect
incorrectly excuse me um well when i install and i was running it on windows xp that was basically
my mistake so i upgraded the server 2003 and wouldn't you know it the adapt tech controller
cards i was using were not detected they weren't being recognized recognized on server 2003 and
therefore the four hard drives that were riding on them were also not recognized so yeah that kind
stumped me for a little bit however all i had to do was go in there and and manually install standard
drivers for it so i am not i do not have them raid i do not have any kind of mirroring or any kind of
backup i just map them as normal hard drives and i'm using external hard drives just to occasionally
back up the important stuff off of them that's it not dealing with the raid crap anymore i just got
basically six independent 250 gig hard drives running on there so that's it we formatted them
all and now i'm back up to 1.5 terabytes of storage baby i thought that with uh windows 2003 server
whatever the hell you've got that you could um you could go into the disk manager and not use the
hardware raid but use their own software raid you didn't want to do that no i i can't yes you can use
software raid but after my previous burns i just said you know what it's i mean the data that i have
on there are like my mp3 files and um like the the audacity files of um BinRev radio and just a lot
of miscellaneous stuff it's not that important it's all stuff that can be replaced so i said it wasn't that
big a deal so what do you got going on there buddy oh you still there your phone just cut out big time
really yeah i heard some static there for a second once again voice pulse rules
yeah voice pulse owns you okay show and tell what do you got show and tell um you know i've been
been working doing doing my thing about to release a couple of new products for my business that i don't
want to talk about but um i also might be in the process of getting sued by a really big company
so i'm pretty excited let's let's uh let's hear it for uh trademark law and um and uh big companies
well personally i think i personally think that you're going to be fine but whatever yeah still
yeah i'm not too worried about you still got to play it yeah other than other than working and and
trying to i'm always trying to take my business projects and kind of like share you know take
whatever i use for my business and and kind of put some of that stuff as as maybe not open source
but it's like the code for bell's mind whatever try to integrate all the stuff i do so i don't waste
my time um and recently i've been doing a lot of that so that's why i keep talking about these
planned updates for bell's mind so stuff's coming i just can't say when hopefully before defcon but who
knows yeah we might have some other stuff coming up before defcon i went and picked up a um
a hard drive i i guess i can mention this in the show until i went and picked up an external hard
drive that i had loaned a friend of mine uh dr zygman who was doing some oh man i don't want to
throw this out there as a teaser and have people start emailing me but doing some work on hack tv
and i think we might be getting really really close so um yeah so um gosh i hate saying that on
the air because now people are going to be more anxious for it but um it may be there i mean we have
to sit down and take a look at it but i think we're really really close so um hopefully also
before defcon we'll have that out maybe soon maybe even within a week or two but we will see
all right well um again we had to catch up on email i know a lot of people don't like it when
we do an all email show but we did have to catch up for missing a week so you got to give us a little
bit of break on this one uh we do have a main topic tonight and i think we still can cover it we got
20 more minutes or so worth of uh talk time left before we have to start wrapping it up so
um our main topic we wanted to talk about tonight is wow is did i just break up on you again because
it got real staticky yeah yeah it disappeared but you're back okay um it's funny i can actually hear
it on my end when i when what you're talking about god voice pulse rocks the oh um well we have
talked about on the past uh relational database management systems we've talked about postgres and
how much we both like postgres um i've talked about general database concepts before and i think i've
done some like a mini review on maybe sql server and some things like that in the past well i thought
we kind of retouch on some of that today but really do more of a comparison because and and and really
that's really the reason i have not theory on the show with me because we have this conversation
privately a lot and you made the comment last week we were looking for a certain feature and quite
honestly i don't even remember what it is offhand now i think it was some kind of limiting how many
batches uh start to finish kind of oh yeah i remember exactly what it was um it was why is there a
limitation of transact sql to only have 16 levels of recursion is that what it was
no i think that was no i think that was a different one we weren't we looking for one
that would only do the last x number or between this number oh yeah that's the one sql server has
no limit clause limit that's it the limit clause i couldn't think of the term there the limit clause
um uh postgres has the has these two sql clauses called limit and offset which are really useful when
you have a bunch of records in a row and uh and you want to really quickly like display them on a
web page display the first 10 results and then display the next 10 results like you see on the
web all the time but there's you know there's really no easy way to do it or no no straightforward
and obvious way to do it in a sql server yeah and what came of that conversation that prompted me to
kind of retouch on this topic on the show is you had you had asked me about you know if i knew of a
way to do that sql server 2000 i said no i don't think you can and your comment was how could
commercial software possibly be behind open source software because sql server is not cheap
it's not the it's not the most expensive thing out there but it's also not the cheapest
how could it be behind and i you know cheaper than my sql according to microsoft well yeah i mean
that's total cost of ownership and it came from microsoft.com so you know it's got to be all
factual well actually actually no no no i don't think it's singled out my sql on that white paper
it said leading linux relational database management system isn't that what it said
yeah and we can assume leading they don't mean right you know most featureful they mean the one that
has the largest installed user base which definitely i don't care what anybody says has to be my sql
right absolutely right and you know it's not postgres because the price would say zero
which we're going to touch on we're going to touch on that in a few seconds in a few minutes
but yeah you made that comment and you know i also pointed out that you got to keep in mind that
that sql server 2000 for a reason this is 2005 so yes sql server is overdue i mean by the end of the
year sql server 2005 should be released with a lot more features so i'll give it somewhat credit but i mean
it is five years old you know it's it's been out i actually have somewhere laying around here i
actually have a a 12 month copy a 12 month preview copy of sql server 2005 that i'm going to be
installing and playing with very soon on that sql server 2003 server wish they'd stop naming the
things by years it's getting on my nerves um but we'll see if that's got some new um limit clauses
in it or what other features it might has but it just again it got me to thinking you know maybe
we ought to sit down and do a comparison i know we've talked about individual features and likes
and dislikes about them but i thought we'd talk about some pros and cons of the different ones
and and let's we'll mention several different ones but probably focused on postgres and my sql and
and a little bit of sql server as well because i don't know i'm sure you're aware of this there's
like this weird i don't know war online of my sql users versus postgres users right you're aware of
this i assume yeah i'm aware of it i you know i used to actually uh feed the fire a little bit
talking to people and saying like you know when i first started using databases i gotta admit i used
my sql and i i used it for a little while and i said what then why does anybody need any more
functionality than this because there would be these postgres guys always saying oh postgres has more
features and i was you know my and i was naive and i would think okay there's select insert update
delete that's it pretty much but there's a lot more to databases than that and now that i know that
now i can't go back well with my sql you that's really you don't get a whole lot i guess i shouldn't
put it down that badly but oh i mean i i guess the long and short of it is if you do have a very small
database one or two tables well you can even have multiple tables but it's not really designed
right now anyway it doesn't have the features to do large scale applications if you're doing small
sites small one or two table databases even 10 table databases where you're doing straightforward
one-to-one relationship read and writes kind of things or just inserts to store data or whatever
then my sql is fine but if anybody honestly believes that my sql is even in the same league
as postgres and of course i'm talking about current versions i understand before anybody writes to me and
defending my sql i realized that my sql s 5.0 is supposed to be coming out to add a lot of support
but i mean right now my sql doesn't even have stored procedures and views and triggers and things like
that in it and this is stuff that if you're doing any serious database work is a must-have
yeah i mean it's just postgres you can actually use in a corporate environment it has all the
features that you want or need just about i mean it is comparable to the commercial databases
and in some cases better
yeah i totally agree
postgres had some i mean postgres 8 first of all postgres 8 fixed a few things that bother me
about postgres 7 and now it's just it's just amazing there's there's only maybe one or two
complaints i have about it and that's it and that's tough for me for a piece of software i complain
about everything about every piece of software i think they all suck but postgres is just awesome
yeah even like um right now i know logos x and i are working on converting the um hacker movies
project over to a php solution powered by my sql and even to do something as simple as a movies
database we're having problems because it's i can't do a one-to-many relationship easily i have to
write all these convoluted over-engineered solutions and when i say i have to write i i don't think i'm i
i'm really wanting to move it over to postgres because it's just not it's just so frustrating
trying to do that in in my sql so um one thing that they both have in common is they both have a web
interface uh php my admin pg my admin is that what the postgres is called yeah php pg admin i think
yeah something yeah pg admin they're both pretty similar they both pretty much offer the same
similar functionality um i have to say though and i don't know if you're going to disagree with me
here but i have to say that i do like microsoft's um management server much better i like the
management interface that microsoft comes with sends with uh sql server 2000 and i assume with
sql server 2005 i haven't seen yet i do like their management system i do think yeah i used it
actually once before i think it's i think it's nice looking um it's definitely get things done a
little bit faster but i don't know that it's really a showstopper for me yeah i'm not having
something like that yeah especially when and this is what i find interesting to get your sql server
certifications even though it comes with this in the pretty point and click manager management tool
when you take the exam you have to know how to do it all via command line anyway you have to know how
to type in all the sql to do the same things you have to memorize the alter commands you have to
memorize the backup commands you have to memorize all these different things and be able to type them
in or answer the questions what with the actual commands on the test not click here click there
so it's kind of funny the tool is very very good but you damn well better know what you're doing
behind the scenes as well i actually have to say i like that they test you on that because a lot of
people can memorize where to click but they don't know why they're clicking there so i like that about
it so i definitely like the sms from um from sql server i like the php my admin and stuff
also but it's just sometimes it's not quite enough for me sometimes especially again with um
stored procedures and things like that i still like going to the command line and just putting
those in so i don't know i guess to each their own um let's see what else what else how about
operating system obviously that's a limitation with microsoft sql server it only runs on microsoft
windows well you could technically run it in linux under vmware well true true but you know what i
mean so let's not say that's a limiting factor come on yeah i don't think it'll interact too well with
the other linux components and whatnot no not really yeah set up a cron job to launch something in the
vmware window and uh yeah good luck actually there was a there is some type of weird scripting
language for uh for a particular version of vmware i forget which one it is but that lets you script
things uh you know like mouse clicks and all kinds of other stuff like that to automate installs of uh
of crappy windows software that don't support it so there's a possibility to do some pretty
stuff but that is let's not say that uh sql server under vmware is a realistic situation right and
you know and also we should throw out there that most relational database management systems are
very um they have very high system requirements generally speaking obviously the more you do with
them and the more data that they have to push and control and maintain the more they need but
generally speaking you really want to throw a powerful box if you're going to run any real
database stuff against it yep um so yes as far as storage a lot of people try to run uh you know
some little database server on uh on like an 80 gig hard drive and just like one one huge like 250
gig hard drive uh it's been my experience that if you don't have raid going uh your database is
going to perform like shit if it's it's significantly large so well and and just to give you just to
give you a little bit of an idea like the uh the new sql server 2005 microsoft sql server 2005
the express they're coming out of four different versions there's the low end which is called
express and the enterprise which is the high end and the express version the maximums the limits on
it are one gigabyte of ram and four gigabytes of database size so i mean that's the maximums for it
but you're going to be approaching that if you're going to do any kind of um business environment or any
kind of real database you're going to be approaching that quickly the enterprise allegedly
has no limit on how much ram it'll support and no limit on database size i think it's funny because
i don't know how they pull that off exactly i'd like to see that
but hey whatever it also says it'll support any number of cpus there's no limit on how many cpus
it'll support which is yeah which is another interesting not an interesting topic um we could
start like a distributed computing project like sql at home yeah wow you sound like you're in a tunnel
now yeah yeah voice pulse is really really good stuff all right well let's see we talked about that
also let's talk about support um i guess we have to give i don't know i guess we have to give a little
bit of uh of an edge to mysql on this just simply for the sheer fact that they installed user bases
so high there's so many people using mysql and so many sites out there giving support and forums and
whatnot that by sheer numbers i i think they'd have to have the best support at least between that and
postgres i know there's postgres has some good support out there also and some good people using it
especially seems to draw more of the hardcore techies because they realize the power of postgres
so you might get more competent support from them but um general support i think you probably get
better for for mysql if you really needed it um yeah we tend to maybe not better support but there's a
more breadth of support um you know if you search for something on google you're going to get a lot
more hits saying like you know how do i update this particular field and like i think you'll have more
people documenting the quirks of mysql but not necessarily maybe how to do uh more advanced things
in it right postgres so i can i can search like how to do some crazy stuff and then people have come
up with it um but that's just me all right well and and you know what i guess let's kind of segue
that into another comparison uh when you're when you want to compare databases one of the things
that people always talk about is speed and speed speed measurements between different databases
you know a lot of people talk about um mysql being faster than postgres i've heard that made that
comment made before i don't know that that's necessarily true or false but either even if no
matter what that is speed of a database management system is very can be very very misleading because
as a matter of fact any benchmarking tool these days can be gamed can be rigged i mean the way
they're written you can optimize things very easily so you may run one query against mysql and it's
optimized or indexed properly to make it run very fast whereas running the same query on postgres or
sql server something if it's indexed differently or even if it's indexed the same it still not might not
run the same as another one so comparing speed i don't put a whole lot of value on that unless i mean
you really have to convince me that they are identical queries running in identical environments
etc etc and here's the other thing though like you know mysql may be great at doing like simple
queries but like you said sometimes to do things in mysql you've got to write like really weird code and
hack things together whereas in postgres there may be one simple statement for it and that statement
itself is optimized so all right you get better i think you get better performance on the more exotic
selects and updates and stuff like that in postgres oh yeah you may in my experience yeah you may
have to write three different selects in mysql well you would have to write three different selects
two of them inserting data into two temporary tables which are then joined by a third select
to get the data that you want whereas in postgres it supports sub querying where you can do it all
in one statement so that's a very good example of something like that and it would run phenomenally
faster individually the mysql queries might run faster but well anyway that's just another example
um one other thing and you mentioned this earlier i think in a kind of a backhanded comment i'm not
sure if it even got picked up on the microphone but um the sql that each one of them uses just to
reiterate we've said this on the show before but sql is sql sql sql is sql sql sql sql sql
Sequential query language is sequential query language.
It is a standard, just like ANCC is a standard.
There is a standard SQL.
However, that being said, each database management system will add their own little functions to it
and their own little styles and methods.
And as long as they support most basic SQL stuff like select, insert, delete, stuff like that, drop, whatever,
most of them will support the basic standard stuff,
but each one is going to have its own nuances as far as how it passes parameters
and how it names variables and things like that.
And I came from an Oracle shop, which we haven't mentioned much on the show,
because it's the most expensive of all the database management systems,
and some would say the most stable.
But I had trouble switching from Oracle, which used something called PLSQL,
over to SQL Server 2000, which uses something called TSQL or TransactSQL.
And you kind of said something earlier about TransactSQL.
Oh, garbage.
Total garbage.
It's one of the things I hate about it more than anything is the way it handles joins.
I think the way Oracle and PLSQL handles joins is so much more intuitive and simpler
and quite honestly saves me a lot of typing.
I think TSQL, Microsoft's SQL, is kind of like the COBOL of SQL.
It makes you write out way too much stuff for just silly reasons.
So I prefer PLSQL from Oracle, and Postgres, as it turns out,
and I'm sure you are definitely more knowledgeable in this than I am,
uses something very similar to PLSQL.
I think it's even called PG.
It's called PLPGSQL.
There you go.
But I've actually never used PLSQL.
I've heard from people that they're fairly similar,
but I can't really guarantee that the migration is going to be all that simple.
There is a section, I think, in the Postgres user manual
talking about how to make it from Oracle to Postgres though.
So I'm sure it's a lot easier than Transact SQL.
Right, and actually, we'll use that as a segue
to the last thing that I wanted to cover tonight,
and that is the reason that that topic came up,
and I did read that also.
The reason that came up is because a lot of people are, in fact,
switching from Oracle to Postgres.
I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say a lot,
but there are more and more of them each day,
switching from Oracle to Postgres,
and there's one very, very big, clear reason why,
and we alluded to this earlier,
but I think we can both safely admit,
and I said it in my little rant earlier,
the bottom line is the almighty dollar.
And if Postgres has almost all the features of Oracle,
and almost all the features, if not more,
than SQL Server,
and certainly more than the current version of MySQL,
there's one other factor.
If all of those things alone don't do it for you,
Postgres comes under what type of licensing scheme?
The BSD license, I believe.
Which means, of course?
You can modify it and use it for commercial use with no restrictions.
And all you have to do with the BSD license is maintain credit.
You can't strip off the headers of the credit,
but you can absolutely use it in a business environment at no cost,
do whatever modifications, etc., whatever you need.
It's one of the most free and liberal licenses that there are.
And even MySQL, MySQL is under the GPL for non-profit use, for personal use.
And that's why so many people work with that on their websites,
because that's free and it's small and easy,
and it does offer enough things that most people want to use.
But Postgres is really, I think, the most robust,
the most powerful database system out there,
especially for the cost.
I mean, you can make...
You really don't compare Postgres to MySQL.
You compare Postgres to Oracle and SQL Server.
And that's really saying a lot.
MySQL is just a specialized...
If you're writing a small site,
and I guess this is kind of a summary.
If you're writing a small website with a couple tables,
nothing complex,
you just want to store some data
and regurgitate some data back out,
MySQL will get the job done.
And it'll do it fine.
And it'll do it fast.
And it won't cost you anything.
It's free for personal use.
And it's a great solution.
Not knocking it.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You'll find a lot of support for it.
It comes standard default on a lot of installs.
But so does Postgres.
If you're doing anything more complex,
you want to go with Postgres as a solution.
If you're a personal developer, a personal user.
If you're a business user,
basically you really have two big options.
There are a lot of others.
Don't get us wrong.
We're excluding quite a few.
But there are two big players,
and that is SQL Server from Microsoft and Oracle.
Oracle is the most expensive.
If cost is not an object,
and you're willing to spend whatever money it is
for a stable, reliable, dependable server
with all the support money can buy,
go with Oracle.
And if you're a Microsoft shop,
go with Microsoft.
So that's pretty much the summary of them all.
But those people that are looking at Oracle and Microsoft,
I very much encourage you to look at Postgres.
At least, if you're thinking about implementing
some large-scale database,
at least put it on your list of databases to compare.
Give it a chance.
Put it up next to the others.
And I think you'll be very, very surprised.
So, that's it.
What do you think?
Do we leave anything out?
I know we could go on about this for hours,
but we're running low here.
Yeah.
No, I can't really think of anything
other than Postgres is the best database ever created.
You know?
Yeah.
That's a fact.
It's not an opinion.
Yes, certainly it is.
All right.
Shout-outs this week.
I kind of mentioned one earlier,
but I'm going to give shout-outs again to Dr. Zygman,
who's been helping with quite a few projects, actually.
He's been very active, a really good guy.
I like working with him on a lot of things
and talking to him and hearing his opinion on stuff.
Very, very good feedback from him.
Shouts to Tabiz, to Mia Flux, and to Logos X,
everybody from our inaugural,
our very first Binary Revolution meeting.
So, shouts to all of them.
And what do you got for me this week there, buddy?
I'm going to give a shout-out to USPTO.gov.
No, I don't know.
I can't really think of anything.
I'm too excited.
If I was going to make binrevmeetings.com the site of the week,
but you know what?
I think I'm going to use USPTO.gov.
I think we'll make a dual sites of the week there.
Well, if that's the case, then shit,
how about I give a shout-out to USPTO.gov,
QuickBooks Online.
No, no, no, you don't want to do that one.
You don't want to get a shout-out to Google.
Tories, the law firm in Manhattan.
I'll give them shouts, props.
They're fearsome.
They're elite.
Do you really think they want to be mentioned on a hacker show?
Probably not.
But I don't really think they care, honestly.
Okay.
All right, and if you want to give us feedback on the show.
Whoa.
I think, did I just...
Whoa, I can't even hear you anymore.
Wow, I got real big static.
I think voice pulse is getting pissed off at me now.
We've been on the phone over an hour,
so we better wrap this up.
Email us.
Feedback for anything you've heard on the show is radio at binrev.com.
Closing music this week is from Luomo.
I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
Called Tessio Moon Bodica Mix.
So, a little disco funk for you.
And I think that is it.
Not Theory, thank you for being on the show.
Boy, this is...
Yeah, it is.
Okay, I guess I'll tell everybody.
It is quarter till eight right now.
We've got to go live with the show.
I've got to have this mixed and uploaded and everything in an hour.
About an hour, an hour and a half.
So, this is going to be interesting.
So, I guess if you're hearing this on DDP Hack Radio,
then I guess we made it in time.
And if not, oops, download only.
See you next week.
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