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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you

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in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled hoes, cause I'm riding the net

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in my six foes, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,

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on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and

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I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through

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my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, and a digital hug, you just caught

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the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused the fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's

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all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle

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and earphones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves your fight on

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your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and

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crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crew, serial phones, source codes, ISO,

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RAM, SIF, SIF, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers.

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Live from the middle of nowhere on Interstate 5 in the Central Valley of California, it's

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Binary Revolution Radio.

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Episode 108, aren't we amazing, like we've done 108 episodes, well, technically we have,

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I feel like I have accomplished something amazing.

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Yeah, today's air date is, uh, the, what is it, the 9th I think it would be?

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Yeah, tomorrow's the 9th, isn't it?

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Well, today's, yeah, I'm driving, so don't need more than my watch.

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Yeah, so, technically we can say it's the, you know, we're all confused here, Shom's heading

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back from Linux World in San Francisco and some VoIP developer conference, and so we had,

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we also caught on GI Joe here today, so you can tell we're desperate, right GI Joe?

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Yeah, that shows you need someone.

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Also, because I'm driving and I'm on a mobile phone, I apologize in advance for the horrendous

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GSM compression being done to my voice, and for any background noise and honking and swearing

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and eating and drinking that you may hear.

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Yes, he has the bottle of Johnny Walker right next to him, he's taking random swigs while he's

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headed down, because, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's California, they do that out there,

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and there's, like, people driving by with guns, and it's, it's amazing out there.

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It's pure anarchy, it's, it's delicious.

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I, I saw L.A. Story, I know exactly how it works.

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Oh, yes, because L.A. Story is completely accurate to realize.

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Exactly, I, I know it is, I saw it in the movies, it has to be true.

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Right?

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And it's always sunny and, and it's always sunny and 72 degrees in California, or in Los Angeles.

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That's the truth.

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All right, so let's, let's, let's sort of delve into our housekeeping this week.

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Um, first off, I'd like to send out a congratulations, uh, congratulations to Telco Bob for being our

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note schmuck, um, uh, note taker for, uh, for placing Logos X.

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You did a wonderful job while Stank's reign was in stream, decided he'd take a break, so.

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This week on the forums, I sent a, I sent a, I sent a shout out to people.

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I say, you know, we need a note taker.

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And basically, uh, Telco Bob proved most worthy, mainly because he was, you know, the first one there.

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And people sent in, people sent in note samples, and they're very nice, and I, I finally chose Telco Bob,

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because his, his note sample was the best, and, uh, I think, uh, Booter and Right Coast, I believe,

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were the other two, and they sent in two very good entries, but, uh, just sadly, I, I, Telco Bob

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was the first, and they were all very good entries, but Telco Bob was the first, so we, we chose him

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instead.

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However, uh, they got their own little portion.

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No, it should be merit-based, not, uh, not time-based, so.

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Well, no, no, it was merit-based, they were, they were all, they were all equals, so I went

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on who responded first.

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Ah, okay, okay, there we go.

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Oh, sorry, well, I wasn't, I'm sort of stumbling over it.

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Yes, you can tell that I am taking an extraordinarily active role in the production of the show, and

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I don't even know what, how the hell we selected our new note taker.

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Well, we, we just have you here, because you're hot.

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Yes, yes, everyone wants my hot, uh,

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We, we, we, we saw you, we're going to see you in the Men of DEF CON calendar.

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We actually didn't mention that last week, did we?

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Oh, yes, no, we didn't, we didn't, maybe we did, I don't remember.

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No, I don't think we did, I don't think we mentioned the...

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There's a Men of DEF CON calendar coming out, and I'm in it, shirtless.

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Yes, there's photos up on my website of, uh, Strom's photo shoot, and it's, it's quite

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disturbing of the photos I took, but I, I, I took it anyway.

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He's there, you know, half-naked, laying on a, on a table with his, uh...

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Holding on a butt set?

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Yeah, um...

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Yes, with a butt set, and with stickers all over me.

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Yeah, the photo, the photo I took, he did not have the butt set on, but the, you were...

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Please explain what your photo looks like, so we can get, you know, all of our two

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female listeners can get excited.

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Oh yeah, well, well, not just the female ones, also the gay ones.

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Yeah, true, true, pardon me, pardon me.

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Yeah, yeah, so there are several photos, I'm not sure which one they're going to pick.

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One of them is me just lying shirtless on the table with a DEF CON sticker on my, on my shoulder,

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if I remember correctly.

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And the other one is me standing shirtless at a payphone with the butt sets and my belt

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and some hard hats, uh, and I'm kind of clipping into the hidden wires underneath the payphone

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and smiling mischievously.

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Are you always smiling mischievously, but mischievously low?

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Yes, but this time, especially so.

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There's a second photograph of my butt set, which I'm not in, but which is somewhat more disturbing.

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It's a guy using my butt set as nipple clamps.

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Ow.

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I, I, I don't want to see that photo, I really don't.

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Like, every time you say it, I just really start clenching my chest.

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Well, that's the truth.

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And some people like nipple clamps.

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So, shout out to all of you.

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La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

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A shout out to all of you who enjoy nipple clamps, I certainly don't.

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I certainly don't either.

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Anyway, moving right along.

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Enough about nipple clamps for this episode.

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We filled our nipple clamp quotient, or quotient, or quotient.

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I think I'm just going to randomly pop up at random points during the show

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and mention nipple plant.

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No, no, because we've hit our quota.

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That's what it is, not quotient.

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I guess I'm tired.

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I don't know.

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I'm kind of stumbling over words here more than usual.

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Sort of the next topic for housekeeping is

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we sent out shouts out last week

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to see who is our youngest person out there,

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and so far we have a listener who is 12.

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However, he did send his real name,

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and I have his real name for his email,

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but he did not sign anything,

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so I'm not going to mention his name.

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If you want your handle or name sent out there,

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just email us, and we can send it out next week.

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But he is 12,

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and I'd like to congratulate him on being 12, I guess.

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I don't know.

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Can you be congratulated for not being old?

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Yes, you can.

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You can be congratulated for being young.

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So congratulations for being young

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and listening to the best Internet radio show ever.

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In the world.

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In the world.

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Bye.

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Or if DEF CON by phone would say,

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in the world.

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We also had a couple people out there

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who were just under the 13 mark.

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Well, technically they were just over.

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I had two or three people complain to me

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that they missed the mark by about two or three weeks,

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so I guess if we sent that shout-out on episode 105 or something,

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we would get more responses.

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But oh well.

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Tough life.

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And I'm going to follow in Stank Dog's footstep, Nick,

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because I have a rant.

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And it's a rant about 2,600.

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So I'm going to step on a few people's toes for my first rants.

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Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

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A rant.

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Are we excited?

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G.I. Joe is just sitting there going,

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I'm just going to sit here silent and listen to these two fools.

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I'm just waiting for the time in the discussion.

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You can interject at any time.

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I did tell you this.

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You are a co-host,

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so you can just sort of shout-out,

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tell me that I'm stupid,

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tell Strom that he's stupid.

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But I won't be held responsible for that.

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Hey, look at this.

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If I exist here, I can go to Maricopa.

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I don't know why I'd want to go to Maricopa.

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I love that GSM delay.

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Yes.

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That's another downside about GSM.

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It delays about a half a second.

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Yes.

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Anyway, you were saying G.I. Joe?

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Mobile phones suck.

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And if you don't like listening to me,

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then please send in your email

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and tell me never, never, never to do the show

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from a mobile phone again.

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Yeah, well, I think Natus did a show

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from a payphone and a mobile phone.

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And plus, Stank always did the show

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via the speakerphone and the VoIP,

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so there was a nice, you know,

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always half-second delay

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between him and the speakerphone.

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So it's usual.

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I guess.

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I'm not trying to talk, Stank.

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Anyway, let's get back on track.

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Let's get back on track

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and hear Ratchet's rant.

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Yeah, back to my rant.

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So, 2600 has a podcast,

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and I'm very happy that 2600 has a podcast

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because I can automatically download their episodes.

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And, however, the problem is

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is their titles always say

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New Off the Hook on the Line.

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Now, New Off the Hook

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or New Off the Wall Online.

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Now, for me, I like to archive the shows.

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I like, you know,

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I keep about two or three weeks on my iPod.

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And that makes it really, really, really annoying

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because all I see are all these MP3s labeled

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New Off the Hook on the Line.

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God, I keep on saying that.

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New Off the Hook Online.

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And that's just really annoying.

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And for some reason,

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I spent about a half hour today

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trying to find the episode

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because I have Off the Wall

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and everything else getting downloaded on there.

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They should really just make a nice

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Off the Hook podcast

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where it's just Off the Hook

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and it's actually labeled

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and it's labeled with episode numbers

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or what week or what date it was released.

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I like Ben Roe's podcast.

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Nick 84 did a wonderful job with it

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because I can look at it

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and I say,

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oh, look, it's episode 105.

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That's the new regime.

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Here's the title of it.

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Here's who hosted it.

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It's all right there,

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right on my podcast

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and I can quickly dial to it

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on my iPod

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and I can quickly dial to it

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and I can grab it

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and I can play it.

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And also with Off the Hook.

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It really drives me batty today.

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I had to listen to

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four or five episodes

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and it's always

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the stupid radio-free

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whatever it is

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that they have beforehand

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because they never start correctly on time

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which is understandable.

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I'm not ranting against that.

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But I had to listen to

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tons of people talking about

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how we're going to save the Earth

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and save the world

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and save the environment

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until I find out what episode it is

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and nine times out of ten

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it's not the right one

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and it really pisses me off.

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Oh, I felt good

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to get that off my chest.

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Okay, so let's go

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into the email theme here.

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Email, email, email.

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Email, email, email, email, email, email.

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And that's going right in

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after the theme.

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So our first email

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is from Sean

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and it says,

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Hey folks,

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I've enjoyed listening to the show

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over the past month.

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It's not nearly as boring

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as some of the other podcasts

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that cover the same topics.

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However, you are starting

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to bore the shit out of me

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with some discussions lately.

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There seems to be a lot of

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Google is better than Yahoo.

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Yahoo is better than Google.

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iTunes is great.

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iTunes sucks.

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Really?

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It seems like filler.

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Just talk to fill up time.

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If a person is listening

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to your show,

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it's a given they know

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how to use a search engine

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or they know how to use iTunes.

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There isn't much revolution

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in Binrev.

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You guys should give yourself

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a challenge rather than

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falling on the same old stuff

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all the time.

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I realize the show

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has a pretty long history

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and most of the subjects

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have been brought up already.

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But the computer world

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marches on

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and there are new things

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happening all the time.

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Some of the things

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that have come up lately.

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Major security flaws

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in Cisco routers.

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Viruses already popping up

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for Microsoft Vista.

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A really stupid name.

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Biowulf clusters

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getting faster, etc.

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Some new tutorials

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for some new listeners

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would be nice too.

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How to set up a shell account.

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How to decompile software.

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How to make your PHP scripts

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more secure.

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And on and on and on.

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Also, a weekly challenge

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would be great.

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Something along the lines of

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using Python,

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write a script that does

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this or that.

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Or decrypt the code

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we put up on our website.

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I don't know.

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Something fun to do each week.

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Anyway, I still do

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enjoy this show.

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Every once in a while

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you guys talk about

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something interesting.

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Sean.

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Well, Sean,

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thanks for listening.

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I'm glad we're not

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too boring.

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We do try to keep it that way.

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However, I'd really like

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to disagree with your statement

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on people that listen

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who don't want to hear

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about your opinions.

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My opinions,

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strong opinions

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or other people's opinions

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on Yahoo, Google, iTunes, etc.

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When I was a listener,

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I enjoyed when Stank

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would rail against

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some new Google feature

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that I enjoyed

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and he tells me

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it could be dangerous

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in some way, shape, or form.

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The Mossad could track me down

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or some other such nonsense

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because he doesn't like

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Google for some reason.

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I don't know why.

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I always like,

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it's always refreshing

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at least for me

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to hear someone's perspectives

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of my own.

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I don't always agree with them.

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As you possibly imagine.

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But, you know,

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they at least do get me

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thinking sometimes.

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It's just more of a matter

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of what you like

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and what you don't.

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One thing we're not

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trying to do, though,

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is just,

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we're not trying to turn this

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into a FlashDot rehash show.

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You know,

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you come in every week

15:02.920 --> 15:03.720
and you basically hear

15:03.720 --> 15:04.480
the same stories

15:04.480 --> 15:04.940
you've been reading

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on FlashDot

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or New York Times

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or something.

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Not that there's anything

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wrong with those shows.

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I'm not trying

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to knock anybody.

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But, you know,

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while some of the

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topics you suggested

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are neat,

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I really can't talk

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about how Windows Vistas

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is because I've never

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used it before.

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I don't have a copy of it.

15:22.380 --> 15:23.280
I haven't broken

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into Microsoft.

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Bill hasn't sent me

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my, you know,

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fillers CD yet.

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And I really don't

15:30.100 --> 15:30.660
want to rehash

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what I've just heard

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on forums

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and opinion sites

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and, you know,

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places that you could

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go and get it yourself

15:37.600 --> 15:38.300
or other listeners

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could go and get it yourself

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because apparently

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our listeners

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can use search engines.

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Ha ha.

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I mean, you know,

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however,

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as soon as I do

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when I plop down

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and play with Vista,

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I'm sure I'm going

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to have some type of review

15:50.880 --> 15:51.940
and I'm sure I'll be

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ranting about it

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on the next episode

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because I'll be saying,

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I played with Vista.

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Isn't it wonderful?

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That's for the weekly challenge.

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And also,

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the other thing

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that comes to mind

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is, you know,

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in one section

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of the email,

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I forgot your name,

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but what is the email?

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Sean.

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Hello, Sean.

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In one section

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of your email,

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you talk about how

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the topics we discuss

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are boring

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and then the other

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section of the email

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you suggest doing

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a tutorial on how

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to set up

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your own shell account.

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Well,

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it occurs to me

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that what's boring

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to one person

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might be interesting

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to another person.

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What might be interesting

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to another person

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may be horrifically boring

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to somebody else.

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So, you know,

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we try and keep it interesting.

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We try and keep it varied

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and we're sorry

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if we go over topics

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that are, you know,

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really old

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or really dull to you,

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but to the majority

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of listeners,

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I think the topics

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we go over

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are interesting

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and exciting

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and if nothing else,

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they do provide

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fresh perspectives.

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if you guys

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want to hear

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if you,

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the listeners

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out there

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in internet

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radio land

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want to hear

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certain topics,

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please by all means

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email us

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and let us know

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that you want

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to hear about them

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and we will do

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some research

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and we'll find out

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and we'll try our best

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to get it on the show.

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Yes,

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like we said,

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we have topics.

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This is not

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a content-free episode.

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I believe someone

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in the IRC channel,

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I can't pronounce

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his name,

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Teoksti or something.

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I'm sorry,

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I'm butchering your name.

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He essentially

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called last week

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Teoksti.

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Teoksti, yes.

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He called us

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last week

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was essentially

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we ended it

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with a content IOU

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which I found

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quite humorous.

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There is content

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this week

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we're going

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to go over

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just basics

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hackings

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and basically

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we're going

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to try to answer

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how do I

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become a hacker

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and hopefully

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not fail miserably

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at it

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because I

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actually did a lot of research on this episode

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and tried to organize my thoughts in some

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coherent manner.

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And then you let the show notes to your office.

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Well, I

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was able to salvage them.

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I did leave them at my office. They're currently sitting

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on my C drive with my work computer

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because I had to boot out of there early because I completely

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lost track of time.

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G.I. Joe, were you going to say something?

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Yeah, I was just going

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to say he's...

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Sean mentioned using

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exploits, talking about exploits and

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Cisco, iOS, and everything else.

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But what you have to remember

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is we, on the radio,

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you can't exactly go through

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the same detail as the technical paper

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say on FRAC could go through

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working way out

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expressly. It's kind of a lot more

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generally discussion

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based and you can't necessarily

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go into extreme detail.

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Indeed.

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An example actually

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that comes to mind is our asterisk

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talk at DEF CON.

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It was generally regarded

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as a very good talk and I forget

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who it was, but someone

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mentioned, I think to Beave, that our talk didn't

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go into nearly enough detail.

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The problem is really

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if you're in a

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conversational type of

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format where you're talking to people,

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you can't really go into that

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much technical detail unless your audience

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is a bunch

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of people that you know to be

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really hardcore technical

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people. A lot of people will

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listen to the show just for

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the banter and the content and then

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you know an overview of things that might be

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interesting to them.

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And so we go into really

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yeah, a witty banter.

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And so if we do end up

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going into

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two reasons. One, if we end up

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going into really

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gritty detail about

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something, then

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we're probably going to bore

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more than two-thirds of the audience

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tears. And the second thing is

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you know, at least for me

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I don't want to go into any sort of

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technical detail unless I am

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completely sure that I'm going to be

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accurate.

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Indeed. And also, you know,

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talking about setting, we're also going back to

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an example of setting up the shell account. I mean, I really

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don't want to spend half a show spelling out

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Unix commands.

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So, yeah, it is

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I mean, he did bring up

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Episode 103

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The Bash Shell

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He did bring up a good point

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with the, you know,

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it's cool. Some of the topics

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he talked about are really cool and we

20:28.200 --> 20:30.120
really need it. And people should talk about them.

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But however, the radio show isn't

20:32.320 --> 20:33.720
just the best format for them. And

20:33.720 --> 20:36.420
even with a presentation when you're sitting there and you have a giant

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PowerPoint slide, you can start going into

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nitty-gritty tales about, you know, extensions.com

20:40.280 --> 20:42.020
for a certain AGI script with asterisks.

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For example, what we covered in our talk.

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But, you know, we can't talk about that on the radio.

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And actually, speaking of

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our asterisk talk, we've had, you know, two or three

20:50.280 --> 20:52.500
emails with people asking us to do our asterisk

20:52.500 --> 20:53.900
talk on the show. So

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we may have to do that at some point.

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Someday when we're totally

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devoid of content.

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Of course. And also, actually, somebody

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called me today and inquired

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as to whether he could do our asterisk

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He could give our asterisk talk to his

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user group of some

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kind. And I forget exactly where he

21:12.600 --> 21:14.660
said it was. But he actually wants

21:14.660 --> 21:16.360
to borrow our slideshow and our

21:16.360 --> 21:18.660
codec demo file and give the asterisk talk

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to some user group.

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Oh, cool. Can we sit on there on like a VoIP phone and say,

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hey, can we heckle them from the audience

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and sit on VoIP phones?

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I think I'll give the guy a call

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and I'll ask him that after we do the show.

21:30.100 --> 21:32.460
Yes, I think that should be

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very cool. I'm glad people

21:34.380 --> 21:36.220
are enjoying it. Anyway, let's go move on to

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the next email. This one's

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from Iron Geek and he says,

21:40.200 --> 21:42.320
in episode 102, Stank said he could mention

21:42.320 --> 21:44.000
hacker meetings on BivRev Radio

21:44.000 --> 21:45.960
to help groups find more folks.

21:46.340 --> 21:48.160
Do Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson plan to

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do the same? If so, I'd like to mention

21:49.940 --> 21:51.720
I'm not sure if this is

21:51.720 --> 21:54.280
I'm veering off here. I'd like to mention

21:54.280 --> 21:56.240
L-U-C-S and I'm not sure if it's

21:56.240 --> 21:58.040
what we've pronounced Lux or something. So

21:58.040 --> 22:00.320
we'll just say L-U-C-S. Anyway,

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getting back to the email. We are a group in the

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Louisville, Kentucky area, which

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gets together at least once per month.

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We meet on the first Saturday of the month. It's a specified

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place at 6 p.m. This month

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it's August 6, 2005 at Cafe

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360 on Bardstown Road.

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Could the group be mentioned

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sometime? We have a site at

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htp colon slash slash

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www.lucsociety.org

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And thanks, Iron Geek.

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And, well, first off, I'd like to send

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apologies to Iron Geek for

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not mentioning this before, but

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this is the first time it showed up in the inbox was

22:34.980 --> 22:36.860
oh, between

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last week's show and this week's show, so I couldn't really

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help them getting on before that.

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But, well, I mean,

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it's kind of obvious that we read it.

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I can't hear either of you guys. Can you hear me?

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Yes, we can.

22:49.780 --> 22:50.660
Looks like Strom's

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faded out. This is the glory of doing

22:52.320 --> 22:53.020
internet radio.

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G.I. Joe, looks like you're going to have to pick up

22:56.460 --> 22:56.820
the slack.

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Will you just pull

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open this email?

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Go ahead. Nope, Strom's faded off

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here. We'll continue on and wait until he pops back

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in. Like I said, well, this is kind

23:08.500 --> 23:09.800
of obvious since we just read it, but

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we're obviously, we'll be glad

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to mention groups that are having meetings.

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Sadly, we didn't do much good

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this month.

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But we do have an announcement section.

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It's kind of smooshed between the main topic

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and the shouts in case anyone ever noticed.

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If anyone has like a tech-related meeting

23:25.820 --> 23:27.300
or some other

23:27.300 --> 23:29.460
thing that's sort of a geeky get-together,

23:29.640 --> 23:31.800
drop us a line at radio at binrev.com

23:31.800 --> 23:33.540
for a few weeks

23:33.540 --> 23:35.640
beforehand and we'll try to ease you

23:35.640 --> 23:37.620
into the schedule. We'll try to at least give you

23:37.620 --> 23:39.820
shouts. I try to announce

23:39.820 --> 23:41.500
like the monthly 2600 meetings mainly

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because they have an official schedule, first Friday

23:43.700 --> 23:45.660
of every month. However,

23:45.780 --> 23:47.680
if you're just starting out or you want a special

23:47.680 --> 23:49.140
shout or something, you know,

23:49.880 --> 23:51.660
like an influx of people, feel

23:51.660 --> 23:53.040
free to drop us a line. Hello, Party.

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Hello, Party. I'm sorry about that.

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I think I'm the victim of a botched handoff.

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Ah, yes. This binrev radio

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brought to you by T-Mobile.

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So, yes,

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we were just talking about... You're dropping my docs, Ratchet.

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Sorry. Pardon me.

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Well, technically, Sanko,

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we always talked about voice pulse and new phones, so...

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That's very true.

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Anyway.

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Moving on to the next email. You missed it. Ha ha.

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Oh, no, no.

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What was it? I seem to recall

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that the date he gave was

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like yesterday or something.

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Yes, the date he gave was

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Saturday or Sunday.

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And, like I said, I couldn't really mention him, but

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like I said, we'll gladly give

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shouts out to people who send in their stuff in

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because we have that wonderful announcement sections.

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Anyway, we're repeating ourselves.

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You missed out because you dropped off.

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So, ha ha ha.

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And our next...

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Well, screw you, Timo.

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Our next email is from...

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I'm going to just... I think his name is

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Didier. D-I-D-I-E-R.

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And it's, Hello, Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson.

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I like the new show.

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About your scheduling issues for DEF CON by phone.

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Why didn't you...

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Why did you use a local database

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that could...

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You had to load and update yourself.

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Couldn't you connect to the DEF CON schedule

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supposing this is available

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in a machine-readable format?

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And to answer his question,

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there is a machine-readable data source

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for DEF CON by phone.

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And it would be the main DEF CON schedule page.

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However, it was in static HTML

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on a giant table.

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And it was...

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I looked at it.

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I tried to play with it for a while,

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and it was a bear to parse.

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I really eventually just decided

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to enter it all in by hand

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rather than try to figure out

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some, you know, insane way

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to parse the entire thing.

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Because I eventually said, you know,

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if I enter it by hand,

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I'll probably get it a lot faster

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than if I actually had to write

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a parser for it.

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And plus, you know,

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this page was not updated at all

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during the convention.

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It was, you know,

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part of the reason why we actually did

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DEF CON by phone in the first place.

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We had a static schedule.

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We had a static schedule

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on the web page.

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We had a static schedule

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on the paper programs that we got.

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And they just weren't cutting the mustard.

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So that's why we invented...

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That's why we just created DEF CON by phone

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if you were paying attention

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to our presentation.

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I know they have another source

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that runs on RSS feeds.

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And, like, they have

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closed-circuit TV announcements,

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this wonderful thing up in the main room

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that shows you the schedule.

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And I'm sure that's a lot easier

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to interpret.

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And hopefully we might get access

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to it next year

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because we're going to try

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to plan a little more

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and hopefully get on

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the planning committee.

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Yes.

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Oh, dear.

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I'm running out of gasoline.

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No, we're going to get to hear

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Strom fill up his engine.

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That's wonderful.

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Basically, but, you know,

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we decided because it was

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very much hurriedly implemented

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and we really didn't inform about it

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until about a month or two

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before the convention.

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And so we decided to, you know,

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suck it up into our own system this year.

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And next year, we hope it's different.

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We're going to try to hope

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it might get into the planning committee

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and we may ask them to allow us

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to develop some kind of

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integrating scheduling system

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so that, you know,

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their internal tracking system,

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the web page, the RSS feeds,

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closed-circuit TV,

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and most importantly,

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DEF CON by phone,

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and they all sort of run off

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the same database

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and everything is updated.

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So you adjust the appointment for,

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you know,

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you adjust the time

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for one of the talks

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and everything gets updated at once.

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It's close to instantaneous.

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Also, next year,

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I'd like to...

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It also brings to mind

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a new concept,

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CPO,

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Central Point of Ownage.

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Yes, well, okay.

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We won't get into that

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and we won't try to point that out

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to people,

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but I'm sure the evil people

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are already thinking about it

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and now the non-evil people aren't.

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Thanks, Strom.

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Oh, any time, Ratchet.

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It's my pleasure.

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Yes, this is what we refer to

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in the industry

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as a single point of failure.

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The database goes down

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and the entire schedule

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gets mucked about.

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Also, I was thinking,

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and hopefully next year,

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we're going to also have

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Hope by Phone.

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You know, two conventions,

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two coasts,

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two databases,

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two numbers,

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two penguins,

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two servers.

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One Strom's jaw on the floor.

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Yes, and hours upon hours

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upon hours of recordings

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of Strom's voice.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Speaking of which,

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I discovered,

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remember the DEF CON

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by Phone outtakes disc

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that I had talked so much about

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and then said I thought

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I forgot to bring?

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Yes.

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Well, it turns out

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they were just in the back

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of my car.

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They were in your car.

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I am completely shocked.

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For those of you

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who don't know,

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every time I talk to Strom,

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essentially what it is is,

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oh, where's X?

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Oh, it's in my car.

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And I always picture this car

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to be like this red VW minibus

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that was full of shovels

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and rakes in influence

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of destruction.

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but no,

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it's this little,

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you know,

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Honda coupe.

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It's a sedan,

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thank you very much.

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Oh, it's a sedan?

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Oh, sorry.

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I don't,

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I really don't know

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what the difference

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between a coupe

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and a sedan is.

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I think maybe a coupe...

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A coupe is a two-door car,

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a sedan is a four-door car.

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Oh, let's see.

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I'm not leet with the cars.

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Okay, finally we're going

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to wrap up with some culture

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from Excalibur.

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We have, you know,

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I think this might be a first

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on BinRev Radio.

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At least it's a first for us.

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I was streaming today.

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I heard your segment

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about the nine-year-old

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certified Microsoft girl

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who wrote Bill Gates a poem.

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I thought since you became jealous,

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not that you have any right

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to be jealous of a man

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who became one of the most

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richest men ever

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and because of computers,

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not to mention

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he was the most famous

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geek ever to live,

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I should write you a poem.

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To get a poem written for us?

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Oh my gosh,

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I'm so excited I'm tingling.

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Oh really, you too?

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Oh, okay.

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Well, hopefully I'm going

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to do it justice.

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A poem for thou

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whom hang with a cow

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and hears of a girl,

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the genius Pakistani pearl

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who wrote a poem

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for Bill Gates.

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No poem for thou

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whom hang out on BinRev,

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sad you may be,

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so a poem written by me

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shall appear

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in your inbox cakes.

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And this is a poem

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by Excalibur.

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And I'd just like to say,

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I hopefully,

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actually I'll flip people

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on speakerphone

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so I can hear it clapping.

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Yes, that was very nice.

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That was me clapping

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while driving

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at 65 miles an hour

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over an interchange.

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Oh, goodness.

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BinRev Radio.

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Whisting my life.

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Congratulate the author.

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Yes, Excalibur.

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We just like to send

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mad shouts out to Excalibur.

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I'd like to say

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that we both enjoyed that.

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I find the metaphysical imagery

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that was quite enjoyable.

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Quite frankly,

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I'm touched.

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I really am.

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Oh yes,

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and interesting rhythmic devices too.

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It seemed to counterpoint

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the surrealism

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and the underlying metaphor.

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Which,

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no,

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it was good.

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It was good.

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It was good.

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No,

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but I do have a question.

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I mean,

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if the poem is for me,

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why is Strom a cow?

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Because apparently

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one of us is hanging

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with a cow.

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Or,

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the other question is,

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where am I the cow?

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What does it mean?

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Well,

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I did,

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I did just drive through,

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I think it was Kalinga

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or something,

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and the place,

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I stopped to get out,

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to get like a snack

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or something,

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and the place literally

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smells like cow dung

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all the time.

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Ew.

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Are these these

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happy California cows

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that I constantly see

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PSAs for on TV?

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Yes,

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these are the happy cows

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that come from California.

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Although,

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I don't know if those are

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dairy cows,

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or if those are cows

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for beef production.

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But,

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here's the million dollar question,

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and if we do have listeners

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in Kalinga,

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or some equivalent town

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in the Central Valley

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of California,

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where to a Los Angelino

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like myself,

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it smells like cow dung,

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do you,

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living in Kalinga

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or wherever,

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get used to the smell

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and actually not smell it

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after a certain period

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of time?

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Oh,

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I'm sure they do.

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I mean,

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it's the same way

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as you can't smell

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your own poop

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when you go to the bathroom.

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I can smell my own poop

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when I go to the bathroom.

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I can certainly smell

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my own poop

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when I go to the bathroom.

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I don't know

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if I have you,

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Ratchet,

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but I certainly can.

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I guess you're,

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I mean,

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there was a giant discussion

32:44.500 --> 32:46.480
once when me and my friends

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and I got completely

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bombed out of our skulls

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during a,

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an occasion of drinking,

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and we all had the discussion

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that none of us

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could smell our own poop

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when we went to the bathroom,

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but I guess Strom's

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the exception.

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So,

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G.I. Joe,

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how about you?

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Can you smell your own poop?

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I don't think so.

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Yeah,

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I think,

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I think Strom is the exception.

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Yeah,

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I,

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I always assumed

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it was rather,

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you know,

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difficult.

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I mean,

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you know,

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when,

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when you're sitting there,

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you don't smell it.

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I mean,

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if you walk out

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and you come back in,

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you smell it,

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but.

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Okay,

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we're,

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we're going to go in.

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We're,

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we're just going to,

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we're going to move on here

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because this,

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this can go nowhere well.

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We have gone too far.

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No,

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we haven't gone too far,

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but at the same point,

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it's just something

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where I don't want to go.

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Wow,

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there are two entirely

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separate mobile stations,

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and each of them

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have the exact same price

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for regular unleaded gasoline.

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Well,

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that makes sense.

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Are they on the separate

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sides of the freeway

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or are you on the freeway

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anymore?

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No,

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they're on the freeway.

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I just got off the freeway.

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They are on separate sides

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of the,

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um,

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little access road here.

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Uh,

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where,

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where exactly are you

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right now?

33:50.440 --> 33:51.760
Can we have a location update?

33:52.960 --> 33:53.400
Uh,

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I don't know the name

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of the town I'm in.

33:55.260 --> 33:55.940
I am,

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just,

33:57.320 --> 33:57.500
I'm,

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I'm just north of

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the grapevine

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on interstate five.

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Did you hear it

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on the grapevine?

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Uh,

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zooming via satellite?

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No,

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I don't know.

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Well,

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look at your receipt

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after you pump your gas

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and we can get a location

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update then.

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Because right now,

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we're going to,

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I guess,

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I guess we can move

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on to show and tell.

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So,

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We're also going to

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risk life on them again

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by actually,

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um,

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filling up with gasoline

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while talking

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on a mobile phone.

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Wow.

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Which apparently

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you're not supposed to do.

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No,

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you're not.

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It's because it,

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it could spark.

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Ooh.

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See,

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this is the effort

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that Strom takes

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to bring everyone

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in Rev Radio.

34:37.260 --> 34:37.580
It's,

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it's a touching display

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of humanity.

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Yes.

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So,

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okay.

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The car will begin fueling.

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Anyway,

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let's,

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let's go into show and tell.

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Do you want to start Strom?

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Because you,

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you had the busy week.

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I,

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I didn't do anything.

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Uh,

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my busy week was,

34:57.300 --> 34:58.300
I hung out with Mr.

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Mark Spencer of,

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uh,

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Asterisk Fame.

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Yeah,

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no,

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not Debit.

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Okay.

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And so,

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I,

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I know you went to,

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I know you went to some conference.

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What conference exactly

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did you go to?

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It was a VoIP developer conference

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in South San Francisco

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in which I,

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uh,

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I helped Digium do exhibiting

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and I helped Digium

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do a little bit of setup

35:22.880 --> 35:24.440
for Linux World San Francisco.

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However,

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I am actually

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going to be

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out of town

35:28.760 --> 35:29.460
next week

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and so,

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I'm driving up to

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Las Vegas

35:31.980 --> 35:32.860
on Wednesday

35:32.860 --> 35:34.880
and since I figured

35:34.880 --> 35:35.360
that,

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um,

35:36.800 --> 35:37.040
okay,

35:37.100 --> 35:37.200
no,

35:37.240 --> 35:37.900
I'm actually telling

35:37.900 --> 35:38.880
I can speak

35:38.880 --> 35:40.060
I figured

35:40.060 --> 35:40.800
that since

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I was going

35:41.640 --> 35:42.080
to be driving

35:42.080 --> 35:42.500
on Wednesday

35:42.500 --> 35:43.180
I didn't want to drive

35:43.180 --> 35:43.740
from San Francisco

35:43.740 --> 35:44.300
to Los Angeles

35:44.300 --> 35:45.020
on one day

35:45.020 --> 35:45.460
and then drive

35:45.460 --> 35:45.700
all the way

35:45.700 --> 35:46.080
to Las Vegas

35:46.080 --> 35:46.660
on the next day

35:46.660 --> 35:46.920
so,

35:47.440 --> 35:48.240
I left early.

35:48.980 --> 35:50.040
Can you not drive

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from San Francisco

35:50.680 --> 35:51.320
to Las Vegas?

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Well,

35:53.200 --> 35:53.660
you can,

35:53.740 --> 35:53.920
yes,

35:53.960 --> 35:54.480
but I have to

35:54.480 --> 35:55.460
repack my clothes

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and everything.

35:56.320 --> 35:56.520
Ah,

35:56.520 --> 35:56.740
true,

35:56.860 --> 35:57.060
true,

35:57.200 --> 35:57.420
true.

35:57.420 --> 36:01.620
G.I. Joe,

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did you do

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anything interesting

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for your show

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Intel?

36:05.840 --> 36:06.240
Um,

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I have nothing

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interesting.

36:08.760 --> 36:09.400
Nothing interesting?

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No,

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I just,

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it sounds

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big like

36:11.540 --> 36:12.280
old fish here.

36:13.020 --> 36:13.860
Just working,

36:14.140 --> 36:14.640
you know.

36:15.180 --> 36:15.380
No.

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Yeah,

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essentially

36:16.760 --> 36:17.300
it was the same.

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I mean,

36:17.940 --> 36:18.940
I went to my

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2600 meeting

36:19.740 --> 36:20.280
on Friday

36:20.280 --> 36:21.860
and,

36:21.900 --> 36:22.180
uh,

36:22.500 --> 36:23.300
and other than that

36:23.300 --> 36:24.200
my week was

36:24.200 --> 36:25.080
rather unplugged.

36:25.200 --> 36:26.000
I hardly hung

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around the forums.

36:26.900 --> 36:27.300
I made,

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like a few

36:27.740 --> 36:28.320
postings here

36:28.320 --> 36:28.620
and there

36:28.620 --> 36:29.840
but nothing in.

36:29.980 --> 36:30.680
I went on a few

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day trips

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and I finally,

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my big accomplishment

36:34.580 --> 36:35.060
this week,

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I finally sat down

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and I read

36:37.400 --> 36:38.000
Harry Potter.

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That,

36:39.020 --> 36:39.680
that was my big

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thing.

36:40.580 --> 36:41.240
And I'm sure

36:41.240 --> 36:42.020
people are cringing

36:42.020 --> 36:42.640
in the audience

36:42.640 --> 36:43.060
right now

36:43.060 --> 36:43.640
as I finally

36:43.640 --> 36:44.140
admitted that.

36:45.660 --> 36:46.060
And,

36:46.160 --> 36:46.640
uh,

36:46.760 --> 36:47.480
I,

36:47.480 --> 36:48.120
I haven't read

36:48.120 --> 36:48.660
the books yet

36:48.660 --> 36:49.780
so that's one

36:49.780 --> 36:50.100
of the things

36:50.100 --> 36:50.900
I intend to do.

36:51.860 --> 36:52.320
All right.

36:52.620 --> 36:53.000
Have you read

36:53.000 --> 36:53.620
any of the books?

36:54.580 --> 36:55.280
I've read none

36:55.280 --> 36:55.900
of the books yet.

36:56.180 --> 36:56.400
Oh,

36:56.500 --> 36:56.960
shame on you.

36:56.960 --> 36:57.540
Shame on you.

36:58.600 --> 36:59.320
For shame,

36:59.400 --> 36:59.880
for shame on you.

36:59.880 --> 37:00.100
For reference,

37:00.820 --> 37:01.560
for reference,

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I have just

37:02.120 --> 37:03.020
filled my car up

37:03.020 --> 37:05.700
with 10.776 gallons

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of regular

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unleaded gasoline

37:07.540 --> 37:09.080
which costs

37:09.080 --> 37:10.840
$29.95.

37:11.840 --> 37:12.720
Holy crap.

37:12.780 --> 37:13.240
How much does it

37:13.240 --> 37:13.800
cost per gallon

37:13.800 --> 37:14.180
out there?

37:15.620 --> 37:16.020
Uh,

37:16.020 --> 37:16.820
regular unleaded

37:16.820 --> 37:18.180
gasoline right here

37:18.180 --> 37:19.360
is $2.77

37:19.360 --> 37:20.240
per gallon.

37:20.680 --> 37:21.200
Yikes.

37:21.200 --> 37:22.620
I thought,

37:22.620 --> 37:23.260
I thought I was

37:23.260 --> 37:24.220
bad with $238.

37:26.120 --> 37:26.900
You lucky

37:26.900 --> 37:27.380
bastard.

37:27.860 --> 37:28.040
Yeah,

37:28.080 --> 37:28.600
I guess I am.

37:29.820 --> 37:30.440
Didn't Blake

37:30.440 --> 37:30.920
Ops say at

37:30.920 --> 37:31.380
DEFCON that

37:31.380 --> 37:31.680
was like,

37:31.740 --> 37:31.840
you know,

37:31.980 --> 37:32.240
$1.80?

37:32.620 --> 37:32.920
Yeah.

37:33.640 --> 37:34.040
Yeah,

37:34.100 --> 37:34.560
Blake Ops said

37:34.560 --> 37:35.040
at DEFCON

37:35.040 --> 37:35.680
in like Minnesota

37:35.680 --> 37:37.900
it's $1.80

37:37.900 --> 37:38.360
something.

37:40.040 --> 37:40.200
Hmm.

37:40.440 --> 37:41.260
It did very

37:41.260 --> 37:41.740
a lot.

37:41.740 --> 37:44.560
I am at

37:44.560 --> 37:50.260
the receipts

37:50.260 --> 37:50.700
kind of all

37:50.700 --> 37:51.080
screwed up

37:51.080 --> 37:51.320
so I can

37:51.320 --> 37:51.820
really read it.

37:52.120 --> 37:52.540
It says,

37:52.600 --> 37:53.160
I think it

37:53.160 --> 37:53.660
says

37:53.660 --> 37:56.000
Lebec,

37:56.240 --> 37:56.900
California.

37:57.120 --> 37:57.860
Wheeler Ridge,

37:58.060 --> 37:58.460
Lebec,

37:58.680 --> 37:59.240
California.

37:59.380 --> 38:00.860
L-E-B-E-C.

38:02.060 --> 38:02.420
Ta-da!

38:02.980 --> 38:03.700
That's where

38:03.700 --> 38:04.400
he is right now.

38:06.360 --> 38:07.000
All right.

38:07.260 --> 38:07.420
Well,

38:07.460 --> 38:07.740
so we're

38:07.740 --> 38:08.040
going to have

38:08.040 --> 38:09.340
specific show

38:09.340 --> 38:09.760
topics.

38:09.960 --> 38:10.360
Let's see.

38:10.360 --> 38:11.600
we're going

38:11.600 --> 38:11.960
to go into

38:11.960 --> 38:12.260
a very

38:12.260 --> 38:12.960
interesting

38:12.960 --> 38:13.840
topic this

38:13.840 --> 38:14.140
week.

38:15.980 --> 38:17.240
I really

38:17.240 --> 38:17.540
don't want

38:17.540 --> 38:17.940
to say it

38:17.940 --> 38:18.940
but it's

38:18.940 --> 38:19.360
kind of

38:19.360 --> 38:19.840
how to

38:19.840 --> 38:20.280
become a

38:20.280 --> 38:20.580
hacker.

38:21.440 --> 38:21.800
I mean,

38:21.900 --> 38:22.360
I really

38:22.360 --> 38:22.620
don't want

38:22.620 --> 38:22.800
to give

38:22.800 --> 38:23.040
it that

38:23.040 --> 38:23.640
topic but

38:23.640 --> 38:25.380
I guess,

38:25.480 --> 38:25.680
you know,

38:25.840 --> 38:26.740
if it

38:26.740 --> 38:27.600
talks like

38:27.600 --> 38:27.900
a duck,

38:27.980 --> 38:29.980
for lack

38:29.980 --> 38:30.280
of something

38:30.280 --> 38:31.060
much anything

38:31.060 --> 38:31.320
better.

38:31.560 --> 38:32.160
I really

38:32.160 --> 38:32.640
thought about

38:32.640 --> 38:33.040
this one.

38:33.960 --> 38:34.640
I like

38:34.640 --> 38:34.960
to give a

38:34.960 --> 38:35.500
forewarning.

38:36.300 --> 38:36.860
This is

38:36.860 --> 38:37.280
really going

38:37.280 --> 38:37.740
to be very

38:37.740 --> 38:38.580
basic stuff.

38:38.780 --> 38:38.960
You know,

38:39.060 --> 38:39.500
for those

38:39.500 --> 38:41.680
of you

38:41.680 --> 38:42.100
might complain

38:42.100 --> 38:42.500
that this

38:42.500 --> 38:42.940
isn't techy

38:42.940 --> 38:43.120
enough,

38:43.180 --> 38:43.600
just remember

38:43.600 --> 38:44.540
you all

38:44.540 --> 38:44.900
had to

38:44.900 --> 38:45.120
start

38:45.120 --> 38:45.560
somewhere.

38:45.900 --> 38:46.340
I did

38:46.340 --> 38:46.740
too,

38:47.160 --> 38:47.740
Strom did,

38:47.860 --> 38:48.140
G.I.

38:48.180 --> 38:48.420
Joe,

38:49.120 --> 38:49.320
heck,

38:49.400 --> 38:49.880
even Stank

38:49.880 --> 38:50.180
had to

38:50.180 --> 38:50.360
start

38:50.360 --> 38:50.720
someplace.

38:51.260 --> 38:51.900
So for

38:51.900 --> 38:52.380
someone just

38:52.380 --> 38:53.000
starting out

38:53.000 --> 38:53.960
and possibly

38:53.960 --> 38:54.580
just stumbled

38:54.580 --> 38:55.040
across this

38:55.040 --> 38:55.400
podcast,

38:56.140 --> 38:56.520
this is

38:56.520 --> 38:57.880
for you.

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And as

39:00.080 --> 39:00.420
we always

39:00.420 --> 39:00.620
said,

39:00.680 --> 39:00.940
you can't

39:00.940 --> 39:01.280
please all

39:01.280 --> 39:01.600
the people

39:01.600 --> 39:01.880
all the

39:01.880 --> 39:02.160
time.

39:03.940 --> 39:04.380
Actually,

39:04.500 --> 39:04.720
it's very

39:04.720 --> 39:05.300
interesting with

39:05.300 --> 39:05.820
Sean's email

39:05.820 --> 39:06.020
in the

39:06.020 --> 39:06.260
beginning.

39:07.140 --> 39:07.260
Oh,

39:07.320 --> 39:07.440
well.

39:08.180 --> 39:08.420
Hi,

39:08.460 --> 39:08.640
Sean,

39:08.680 --> 39:09.020
this is for

39:09.020 --> 39:09.180
you.

39:09.180 --> 39:09.580
Yes.

39:10.580 --> 39:10.940
Hello,

39:11.060 --> 39:11.340
Sean.

39:11.640 --> 39:12.420
Welcome to

39:12.420 --> 39:13.480
your episode,

39:13.660 --> 39:14.420
your very own

39:14.420 --> 39:15.560
personalized episode

39:15.560 --> 39:16.620
of Binary Revolution

39:16.620 --> 39:17.060
Radio.

39:17.240 --> 39:18.120
I wouldn't go

39:18.120 --> 39:18.540
that far

39:18.540 --> 39:18.820
because I was

39:18.820 --> 39:19.380
probably pissing

39:19.380 --> 39:19.620
him off

39:19.620 --> 39:19.900
because it was

39:19.900 --> 39:20.440
not techy

39:20.440 --> 39:20.680
enough.

39:20.780 --> 39:21.180
But Sean,

39:21.280 --> 39:21.460
you know,

39:21.520 --> 39:21.880
like I said,

39:21.920 --> 39:22.380
we all had to

39:22.380 --> 39:22.980
start someplace.

39:23.860 --> 39:24.900
Feel free to

39:24.900 --> 39:25.360
skip for the

39:25.360 --> 39:25.600
next,

39:25.660 --> 39:25.880
you know,

39:26.660 --> 39:27.500
45 minutes

39:27.500 --> 39:27.860
or so.

39:29.320 --> 39:29.960
I'll do a

39:29.960 --> 39:30.460
simulation of

39:30.460 --> 39:30.700
what that

39:30.700 --> 39:31.080
should sound

39:31.080 --> 39:31.280
like.

39:33.280 --> 39:35.260
Or you

39:35.260 --> 39:35.720
can just

39:35.720 --> 39:36.360
sound like a

39:36.360 --> 39:36.720
really bad

39:36.720 --> 39:36.880
cell

39:36.880 --> 39:37.200
connection.

39:39.100 --> 39:39.460
So,

39:39.760 --> 39:40.260
I guess

39:40.260 --> 39:40.540
one of the

39:40.540 --> 39:40.940
most common

39:40.940 --> 39:41.700
questions that

39:41.700 --> 39:42.460
new people

39:42.460 --> 39:42.980
ask is,

39:43.420 --> 39:44.180
how do I

39:44.180 --> 39:44.580
learn to

39:44.580 --> 39:44.840
hack?

39:44.920 --> 39:45.320
Or how

39:45.320 --> 39:45.560
do I

39:45.560 --> 39:45.960
become a

39:45.960 --> 39:46.200
hacker?

39:46.960 --> 39:47.400
And technically

39:47.400 --> 39:48.120
my usual

39:48.120 --> 39:48.660
response for

39:48.660 --> 39:49.140
this is,

39:49.200 --> 39:49.340
you know,

39:49.400 --> 39:49.740
grow your

39:49.740 --> 39:50.120
hair out

39:50.120 --> 39:50.480
and stop

39:50.480 --> 39:50.920
showering.

39:50.920 --> 39:55.380
And of

39:55.380 --> 39:55.540
course,

39:55.680 --> 39:56.420
I know a

39:56.420 --> 39:56.620
lot of

39:56.620 --> 39:57.000
people who

39:57.000 --> 39:57.400
don't do

39:57.400 --> 39:57.920
that and

39:57.920 --> 39:58.180
there are

39:58.180 --> 39:58.780
some very

39:58.780 --> 39:59.340
well-kempt

39:59.340 --> 39:59.880
hackers out

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there,

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but we

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won't get

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into that.

40:02.600 --> 40:02.900
And plus,

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you know,

40:03.160 --> 40:03.420
too many

40:03.420 --> 40:04.440
people do

40:04.440 --> 40:04.900
that already,

40:05.000 --> 40:05.240
so don't

40:05.240 --> 40:05.560
push the

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stereotype.

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Yes.

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So,

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you know,

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first off,

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what is

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hacking?

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It's kind

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of hard to

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explain.

40:15.380 --> 40:15.780
Interstate

40:15.780 --> 40:16.380
5 South is

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not hacking.

40:18.220 --> 40:18.620
Yes,

40:18.700 --> 40:19.020
it is.

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That's what

40:19.620 --> 40:20.140
hacking is.

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That's what

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the sign

40:20.740 --> 40:21.220
told me.

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The sign

40:22.280 --> 40:22.520
said

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Interstate

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5.

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We'll move

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on.

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Don't

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excuse my

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nonsense.

40:28.920 --> 40:29.180
I think

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the highway

40:29.600 --> 40:30.000
is starting

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to make

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me go

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mildly

40:32.400 --> 40:33.040
delirious

40:33.040 --> 40:33.660
and insane.

40:34.080 --> 40:34.260
Yes,

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that happens

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to me all

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the time.

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Well,

40:36.980 --> 40:37.180
okay,

40:37.300 --> 40:37.900
let's start

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off first.

40:38.660 --> 40:39.500
What isn't

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hacking?

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Hacking is

40:40.460 --> 40:40.940
not breaking

40:40.940 --> 40:41.480
into computer

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systems.

40:42.020 --> 40:42.420
Hacking is

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not owning

40:42.840 --> 40:43.200
people.

40:43.380 --> 40:43.700
Hacking is

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not defacing

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websites.

40:45.720 --> 40:46.480
Hacking is

40:46.480 --> 40:48.200
not any of

40:48.200 --> 40:48.740
that nonsense.

40:49.060 --> 40:49.720
Hacking is

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for the

40:50.540 --> 40:51.020
most part.

40:51.500 --> 40:51.840
Figuring

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out how

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things

40:52.400 --> 40:52.720
ticks,

40:52.900 --> 40:53.120
taking

40:53.120 --> 40:53.380
stuff

40:53.380 --> 40:53.700
apart,

40:54.020 --> 40:54.220
putting

40:54.220 --> 40:54.520
it back

40:54.520 --> 40:54.860
together,

40:55.680 --> 40:56.580
and I

40:56.580 --> 40:57.640
guess generally

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a pure

40:58.500 --> 40:58.980
love of

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all things

40:59.460 --> 41:00.060
technological,

41:00.200 --> 41:00.460
I guess you

41:00.460 --> 41:00.720
could say

41:00.720 --> 41:01.000
it is.

41:01.440 --> 41:01.660
Oh,

41:01.700 --> 41:01.900
I sounded

41:01.900 --> 41:02.340
like Strom

41:02.340 --> 41:02.540
there.

41:02.540 --> 41:02.580
more.

41:04.260 --> 41:04.420
Yes.

41:04.620 --> 41:04.840
And,

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you know,

41:05.760 --> 41:06.160
you do.

41:06.460 --> 41:06.640
Yes.

41:07.640 --> 41:08.040
Plus,

41:08.160 --> 41:08.320
you know,

41:08.380 --> 41:08.740
something that

41:08.740 --> 41:09.100
I always like

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to say,

41:09.360 --> 41:09.900
hacking is

41:09.900 --> 41:10.280
not an

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end to a

41:10.820 --> 41:11.060
means.

41:11.200 --> 41:11.440
Hacking

41:11.440 --> 41:11.780
is a

41:11.780 --> 41:12.300
means to

41:12.300 --> 41:12.720
an end.

41:13.660 --> 41:13.900
You know,

41:14.260 --> 41:14.760
someone does

41:14.760 --> 41:15.280
not become a

41:15.280 --> 41:15.680
hacker for

41:15.680 --> 41:16.020
a reason.

41:16.260 --> 41:16.980
Some people

41:16.980 --> 41:17.540
become a

41:17.540 --> 41:18.280
hacker on

41:18.280 --> 41:19.380
the way to

41:19.380 --> 41:19.980
doing something

41:19.980 --> 41:20.320
else.

41:21.600 --> 41:22.300
I guess you

41:22.300 --> 41:22.760
kind of say

41:22.760 --> 41:23.020
it's, you

41:23.020 --> 41:23.100
know,

41:23.140 --> 41:23.620
hacking is

41:23.620 --> 41:23.820
very

41:23.820 --> 41:24.200
unlike.

41:25.480 --> 41:26.100
People have

41:26.100 --> 41:26.620
a reason for

41:26.620 --> 41:26.980
hacking.

41:26.980 --> 41:31.260
You don't

41:31.260 --> 41:32.060
actually set

41:32.060 --> 41:32.320
out to

41:32.320 --> 41:32.700
become a

41:32.700 --> 41:32.880
hacker.

41:33.020 --> 41:33.300
You set

41:33.300 --> 41:33.640
out to do

41:33.640 --> 41:34.140
something else

41:34.140 --> 41:34.440
and on

41:34.440 --> 41:34.720
your way

41:34.720 --> 41:35.120
you become

41:35.120 --> 41:35.460
a hacker

41:35.460 --> 41:35.980
doing it.

41:37.440 --> 41:37.800
Actually,

41:38.020 --> 41:38.500
first off,

41:38.560 --> 41:38.720
let me do

41:38.720 --> 41:39.180
my disclaimer

41:39.180 --> 41:39.420
here.

41:40.160 --> 41:40.980
The word

41:40.980 --> 41:41.280
hacker,

41:41.440 --> 41:42.140
I never

41:42.140 --> 41:42.780
try to use

41:42.780 --> 41:43.200
it as

41:43.200 --> 41:43.900
when describing

41:43.900 --> 41:44.980
myself.

41:45.980 --> 41:46.680
Someone says,

41:47.060 --> 41:47.200
oh,

41:47.260 --> 41:47.580
he's a

41:47.580 --> 41:47.800
hacker.

41:48.160 --> 41:48.440
Oh,

41:48.540 --> 41:49.080
I'm a

41:49.080 --> 41:49.280
hacker.

41:49.420 --> 41:50.120
I never

41:50.120 --> 41:50.640
try to say

41:50.640 --> 41:51.080
to myself,

41:51.240 --> 41:51.380
oh,

41:51.420 --> 41:51.660
I'm a

41:51.660 --> 41:51.840
hacker.

41:52.400 --> 41:52.620
No,

41:52.680 --> 41:52.980
I'm someone

41:52.980 --> 41:53.280
who likes

41:53.280 --> 41:54.220
computers and

41:54.220 --> 41:54.920
some people

41:54.920 --> 41:55.200
say,

41:55.300 --> 41:55.440
oh,

41:55.460 --> 41:55.700
he's a

41:55.700 --> 41:55.900
hacker.

41:55.900 --> 41:57.140
I look

41:57.140 --> 41:57.380
at that

41:57.380 --> 41:57.740
as something

41:57.740 --> 41:58.520
that it's

41:58.520 --> 41:58.920
a compliment

41:58.920 --> 41:59.200
to give

41:59.200 --> 42:00.320
somebody but

42:00.320 --> 42:00.720
it's not

42:00.720 --> 42:01.360
really something

42:01.360 --> 42:02.220
to use on

42:02.220 --> 42:02.880
yourself unless

42:02.880 --> 42:03.280
you're really

42:03.280 --> 42:03.780
egotistical,

42:04.020 --> 42:04.380
at which point

42:04.380 --> 42:04.640
I really

42:04.640 --> 42:04.880
don't want

42:04.880 --> 42:05.100
to talk

42:05.100 --> 42:05.340
to you.

42:06.480 --> 42:06.800
Of course,

42:06.940 --> 42:07.480
thank dog

42:07.480 --> 42:07.960
calls himself

42:07.960 --> 42:08.220
a hacker

42:08.220 --> 42:08.480
all the

42:08.480 --> 42:08.720
time,

42:08.820 --> 42:09.060
so there

42:09.060 --> 42:09.400
are some

42:09.400 --> 42:09.760
exceptions

42:09.760 --> 42:10.040
to the

42:10.040 --> 42:10.320
rules.

42:11.520 --> 42:11.920
Doesn't

42:11.920 --> 42:12.520
your business

42:12.520 --> 42:13.100
card say

42:13.100 --> 42:13.540
freelance

42:13.540 --> 42:13.880
hacker?

42:14.960 --> 42:15.160
Yeah,

42:15.220 --> 42:15.500
but that's

42:15.500 --> 42:15.860
a joke.

42:18.060 --> 42:19.200
My business

42:19.200 --> 42:19.760
card says

42:19.760 --> 42:20.280
phone freak,

42:20.360 --> 42:20.680
but that's

42:20.680 --> 42:20.900
in all

42:20.900 --> 42:21.280
seriousness.

42:22.140 --> 42:22.360
Well,

42:22.420 --> 42:22.520
yeah,

42:22.640 --> 42:23.220
I say

42:23.220 --> 42:23.600
freelance

42:23.600 --> 42:24.120
hacker and

42:24.120 --> 42:24.560
phone freak,

42:24.660 --> 42:25.000
but at the

42:25.000 --> 42:25.480
same point,

42:25.900 --> 42:27.500
for anyone

42:27.500 --> 42:27.880
who ever

42:27.880 --> 42:28.160
read the

42:28.160 --> 42:28.280
book

42:28.280 --> 42:28.860
Snow Crash,

42:28.960 --> 42:29.360
which if

42:29.360 --> 42:29.760
you haven't,

42:29.800 --> 42:30.180
you really

42:30.180 --> 42:30.460
should,

42:30.920 --> 42:31.860
the hero's

42:31.860 --> 42:32.880
business

42:32.880 --> 42:33.440
card says

42:33.440 --> 42:33.760
freelance

42:33.760 --> 42:34.200
hacker.

42:35.880 --> 42:36.120
So,

42:36.580 --> 42:37.300
sorry,

42:37.440 --> 42:37.600
it says

42:37.600 --> 42:38.100
last of

42:38.100 --> 42:38.200
the

42:38.200 --> 42:38.520
freelance

42:38.520 --> 42:38.860
hackers.

42:40.600 --> 42:41.000
Anyway,

42:41.140 --> 42:41.580
getting back

42:41.580 --> 42:42.140
on topic,

42:43.140 --> 42:44.260
there's no

42:44.260 --> 42:44.840
real one

42:44.840 --> 42:45.120
way to

42:45.120 --> 42:45.440
become a

42:45.440 --> 42:45.660
hacker,

42:45.760 --> 42:45.980
like I

42:45.980 --> 42:46.400
just said.

42:47.260 --> 42:47.660
Hacking

42:47.660 --> 42:48.200
is so

42:48.200 --> 42:50.460
multifaceted,

42:50.580 --> 42:50.900
there's like

42:50.900 --> 42:51.720
15 ways you

42:51.720 --> 42:52.140
can do it,

42:52.140 --> 42:53.640
and there

42:53.640 --> 42:54.460
really are a

42:54.460 --> 42:55.060
million ways

42:55.060 --> 42:55.420
you can get

42:55.420 --> 42:55.620
there.

42:55.780 --> 42:55.980
You know,

42:56.280 --> 42:56.720
hackers,

42:57.020 --> 42:57.160
you know,

42:57.280 --> 42:57.900
hacking is

42:57.900 --> 42:58.260
just,

42:59.120 --> 43:00.220
there's no

43:00.220 --> 43:00.820
real way to

43:00.820 --> 43:01.320
describe it.

43:01.440 --> 43:01.860
It includes

43:01.860 --> 43:02.300
hardware,

43:02.580 --> 43:02.940
it includes

43:02.940 --> 43:03.520
software,

43:04.100 --> 43:04.420
computer

43:04.420 --> 43:04.920
security,

43:05.060 --> 43:05.280
computer

43:05.280 --> 43:05.760
support,

43:05.900 --> 43:06.180
system

43:06.180 --> 43:06.560
setup,

43:07.520 --> 43:08.020
system

43:08.020 --> 43:08.660
breakdown,

43:10.060 --> 43:10.980
a million

43:10.980 --> 43:11.440
things.

43:12.620 --> 43:13.460
People can't

43:13.460 --> 43:13.620
say,

43:13.620 --> 43:13.800
you know,

43:13.840 --> 43:14.160
to become a

43:14.160 --> 43:14.380
hacker,

43:14.500 --> 43:14.720
you need to

43:14.720 --> 43:15.140
do X,

43:15.200 --> 43:15.400
Y,

43:15.460 --> 43:15.780
and Z.

43:16.820 --> 43:17.960
You can't

43:17.960 --> 43:18.320
say that,

43:18.380 --> 43:19.240
because a

43:19.240 --> 43:19.840
person who

43:19.840 --> 43:21.160
is very

43:21.160 --> 43:21.820
talented like

43:21.820 --> 43:22.180
hardware,

43:22.320 --> 43:22.640
I think the

43:22.640 --> 43:23.060
person who

43:23.060 --> 43:23.540
really always

43:23.540 --> 43:23.980
pops to mind

43:23.980 --> 43:24.340
when I think

43:24.340 --> 43:24.740
of a hardware

43:24.740 --> 43:25.240
hacker is

43:25.240 --> 43:25.680
Acidus.

43:27.200 --> 43:27.960
He's gone a

43:27.960 --> 43:28.480
complete different

43:28.480 --> 43:28.920
path than the

43:28.920 --> 43:29.420
way I have,

43:29.460 --> 43:29.720
and he's

43:29.720 --> 43:30.140
gotten very

43:30.140 --> 43:30.740
talented in

43:30.740 --> 43:31.040
hardware,

43:31.640 --> 43:32.380
and I

43:32.380 --> 43:32.860
really don't

43:32.860 --> 43:33.400
have a first

43:33.400 --> 43:33.940
clue about an

43:33.940 --> 43:34.560
analog digital

43:34.560 --> 43:35.240
controller if it

43:35.240 --> 43:35.720
smacked me in

43:35.720 --> 43:36.100
the face.

43:37.920 --> 43:38.580
And at the

43:38.580 --> 43:39.040
same time,

43:39.120 --> 43:39.380
I'm sure

43:39.380 --> 43:39.940
there's points,

43:40.100 --> 43:40.300
you know,

43:40.640 --> 43:41.460
Acidus might not

43:41.460 --> 43:42.080
know stuff about

43:42.080 --> 43:42.580
the phone system.

43:42.680 --> 43:43.180
I've never met

43:43.180 --> 43:44.140
him, so I

43:44.140 --> 43:44.640
don't know,

43:45.480 --> 43:46.340
but I like to

43:46.340 --> 43:46.660
think that I

43:46.660 --> 43:47.180
know stuff about

43:47.180 --> 43:47.320
it.

43:48.720 --> 43:49.420
But, you

43:49.420 --> 43:49.600
know,

43:49.840 --> 43:51.980
there's no

43:51.980 --> 43:52.460
real way to

43:52.460 --> 43:52.720
say, you

43:52.720 --> 43:53.120
know, here's

43:53.120 --> 43:53.500
how to become

43:53.500 --> 43:53.860
a hacker,

43:54.000 --> 43:54.980
but I'm

43:54.980 --> 43:55.240
willing to

43:55.240 --> 43:55.640
try to go

43:55.640 --> 43:56.080
over things

43:56.080 --> 43:56.580
that, you

43:56.580 --> 43:57.180
know, usually

43:57.180 --> 43:57.940
start people

43:57.940 --> 43:58.400
down the

43:58.400 --> 43:58.820
way of,

43:58.820 --> 43:59.000
you know,

43:59.120 --> 43:59.720
technological

43:59.720 --> 44:00.420
yumminess.

44:02.500 --> 44:03.440
I guess the

44:03.440 --> 44:03.880
first thing we

44:03.880 --> 44:04.200
should say

44:04.200 --> 44:04.800
right now is,

44:04.900 --> 44:05.000
you know,

44:05.080 --> 44:05.600
wipe Windows

44:05.600 --> 44:06.020
off your

44:06.020 --> 44:06.660
computer and

44:06.660 --> 44:07.700
install Linux.

44:08.000 --> 44:08.360
Can I get

44:08.360 --> 44:08.620
an amen?

44:10.240 --> 44:10.680
Amen!

44:11.900 --> 44:12.780
I don't

44:12.780 --> 44:13.440
mind Windows

44:13.440 --> 44:13.880
so much.

44:14.300 --> 44:14.840
I don't

44:14.840 --> 44:15.340
mind Windows

44:15.340 --> 44:15.620
either.

44:16.480 --> 44:17.160
It does

44:17.160 --> 44:18.340
what I need.

44:18.340 --> 44:22.120
if you

44:22.120 --> 44:22.800
maintain it,

44:22.860 --> 44:23.340
it's not

44:23.340 --> 44:24.180
really a

44:24.180 --> 44:24.520
security

44:24.520 --> 44:25.080
problem.

44:25.980 --> 44:26.920
And also,

44:27.020 --> 44:27.160
I know

44:27.160 --> 44:27.740
very talented

44:27.740 --> 44:28.280
people who

44:28.280 --> 44:28.800
use Windows

44:28.800 --> 44:29.980
and I'm

44:29.980 --> 44:30.300
going to

44:30.300 --> 44:30.620
include

44:30.620 --> 44:30.880
G.I.

44:30.880 --> 44:31.100
Joe in

44:31.100 --> 44:31.320
one of

44:31.320 --> 44:31.460
them.

44:31.920 --> 44:32.460
I will

44:32.460 --> 44:32.880
admit, I

44:32.880 --> 44:33.360
use Windows.

44:33.360 --> 44:34.860
One of

44:34.860 --> 44:35.280
my friends

44:35.280 --> 44:35.720
who I

44:35.720 --> 44:36.500
respect very

44:36.500 --> 44:36.820
much at

44:36.820 --> 44:37.500
my 2600

44:37.500 --> 44:38.080
meeting is

44:38.080 --> 44:38.760
in fact a

44:38.760 --> 44:39.260
Visual Basic

44:39.260 --> 44:39.760
programmer.

44:40.640 --> 44:42.140
But no

44:42.140 --> 44:43.140
hate there.

44:43.800 --> 44:44.540
So Windows

44:44.540 --> 44:45.080
in and of

44:45.080 --> 44:48.400
itself is not

44:48.400 --> 44:48.740
evil.

44:49.320 --> 44:49.760
But the

44:49.760 --> 44:50.180
cool thing

44:50.180 --> 44:50.800
about Linux

44:50.800 --> 44:52.180
is, as far

44:52.180 --> 44:52.540
as I'm

44:52.540 --> 44:53.740
concerned, at

44:53.740 --> 44:54.180
least when

44:54.180 --> 44:54.740
you're learning,

44:54.960 --> 44:56.020
you know, it

44:56.020 --> 44:56.600
allows you to

44:56.600 --> 44:57.460
get down into

44:57.460 --> 44:58.120
the nitty-gritty

44:58.120 --> 44:58.740
of how things

44:58.740 --> 44:59.360
really work.

44:59.500 --> 44:59.600
You know,

44:59.660 --> 45:00.520
Windows, you

45:00.520 --> 45:01.080
click a button

45:01.080 --> 45:01.780
and it works.

45:01.780 --> 45:02.220
And that's

45:02.220 --> 45:02.860
fine for a

45:02.860 --> 45:03.100
lot of

45:03.100 --> 45:03.980
things.

45:04.840 --> 45:05.480
But, you

45:05.480 --> 45:06.300
know, if you

45:06.300 --> 45:06.960
don't know,

45:07.660 --> 45:08.200
yeah, mom and

45:08.200 --> 45:08.540
dad, for

45:08.540 --> 45:09.540
example, who

45:09.540 --> 45:10.900
wouldn't know

45:10.900 --> 45:11.440
what to type

45:11.440 --> 45:11.860
at a bash

45:11.860 --> 45:12.420
prompt even

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if you told

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them.

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But that's

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actually not

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true.

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I did at

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one point

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walk my

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mother through

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repartitioning a

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disk with a

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Linux boot

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disk over the

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telephone.

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And didn't

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you talk to

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your dad on

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how to

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reconfigure

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Samba one

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evening?

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Yeah, yeah,

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we talked to

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my father

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through

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reconfiguring

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Samba.

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So, parents,

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even not the

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most technical

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parents, can

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actually be

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talked through

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Linux if you

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just tell them

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what to do.

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But, I

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mean, you

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know, at

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least the way

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I see it,

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it's all fine

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and dandy to

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have a button

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that you press

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to do things

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for you, but

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if you don't

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understand what's

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going on when

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you press that

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button, then,

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you know, you're

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definitely losing

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something.

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You really have

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to understand the

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underlying system

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in order to

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embrace it and

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love it.

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Again, it's that

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whole taking

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stuff apart and

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putting it back

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together again.

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Also, you

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know, it's not

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just saying that

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Linux is a

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bash prompt and

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is only, you

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know, an 80 by

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25 console.

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There are very

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nice graphical

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user environments

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for it, and,

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you know, if

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you're not

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afraid, you

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know, if

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you're a

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little bit

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worried, you

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know, keep

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Windows,

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repartition the

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hard drive.

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I'm going to

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send out

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something here.

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It's

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something called

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automated download

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and installation

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of operating

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system.

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It's a live

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CD.

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It's for

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repartitioning

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your drive,

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and, you

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know, it

46:33.500 --> 46:34.060
allows you to

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Adios.

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Yeah, Adios.

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Yes, exactly.

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That's the

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cute acronym.

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Oh, and it's

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the coolest

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program, too.

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I'm going to

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send a link

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out here before

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I forget.

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That's

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tinyurl.com

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slash

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83

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Victor

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Papa

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Frank.

46:49.100 --> 46:49.580
I actually

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went into

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old school

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FedEx there,

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but anyway,

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it gets the

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point across.

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What it

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does, it

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allows you to

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repartition your

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hard drive, so

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if you want to

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keep Windows on

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there, that's

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fine, no

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problem.

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Some people

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like Windows,

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like G.I. Joe.

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I like Windows,

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too.

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I'd like to

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admit that I

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am a visual

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based programmer

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at work,

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among other

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things.

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And, you

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know, it

47:17.200 --> 47:18.320
allows you to

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keep your

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Windows

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partition on

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there and

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install Linux.

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And there

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are graphical

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user environments

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for Linux.

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It's pointing

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click.

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Two of the

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distributions that

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seem to be all

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the race these

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days, one of

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them is called

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Ubuntu, that's

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U-B-U-N-T-U,

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and that's

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UbuntuLinux.org.

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And what that

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is...

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I think the

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pronunciation of

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that one is

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Ubuntu.

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Ubuntu?

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Ubuntu, I

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think.

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I always heard

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it called

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Ubuntu.

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I mean, but I

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don't know.

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I've heard it

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like two or

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three people.

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Yeah, as far...

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I saw a sign

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just to...

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I saw a sign

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just now that

47:54.900 --> 47:55.360
said Fort

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Tejon, exit

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one mile, but

47:57.120 --> 47:57.640
I wasn't paying

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attention.

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I thought it

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said Fort

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Tron, exit

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one mile.

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Anyway.

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He's got your

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docs now.

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He sees the

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license plate.

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Ubuntu, I

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think, is the

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anglicized,

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Americanized

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pronunciation of

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Ubuntu, but I

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could be totally

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butchering it as

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well, so...

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I don't know.

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Technically, I don't

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think...

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I wonder if

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they have the

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pronunciation

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somewhere on

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their site.

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That's your

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homework this

48:24.180 --> 48:24.720
week, folks.

48:25.060 --> 48:26.280
Find out how

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to pronounce

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Ubuntu and

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send a sound

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clip doing it.

48:31.700 --> 48:33.100
Maybe if we

48:33.100 --> 48:34.080
get enough, we'll

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assemble them

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together into

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some sort of

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really interesting

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audio presentation.

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We'll go load

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it up into a

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synthesizer and

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make everyone

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sing Ubuntu.

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Yeah.

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And for

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those of you

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who like

48:50.820 --> 48:51.440
Payne, there's

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another distribution

48:52.140 --> 48:52.800
out there called

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Gentoo, and

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that, I

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believe, is

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GentooLinux.org.

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I could be

48:57.700 --> 48:58.060
wrong.

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Like I said,

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that was in my

48:59.060 --> 48:59.700
old show notes.

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I don't have

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that on my

49:00.500 --> 49:01.100
new show notes

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right now.

49:03.360 --> 49:03.560
And what

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that means is

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that's a more...

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It went in

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doubt Google.

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Just Google

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Gentoo Linux.

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It's your first

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link right there.

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I think if you

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Google Gentoo,

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it'll come up as

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the first link.

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G-D-E-N-T-O-O.

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Again, G-E-N-T-O-O.

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G-E-N-T-O-O.

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And what that

49:20.700 --> 49:22.380
is is it's a...

49:22.380 --> 49:24.260
Basically, it's a

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more hardcore

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distribution, I

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guess you could

49:25.940 --> 49:26.220
call it.

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What it is is

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essentially it

49:28.660 --> 49:29.500
compiles everything

49:29.500 --> 49:30.180
on your system,

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allegedly giving

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you a performance

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increase.

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I've never played

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with it.

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I don't know,

49:33.960 --> 49:35.760
but I'm sure

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that it's a

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little more

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complicated to

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set up than

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Ubuntu.

49:38.620 --> 49:39.080
For those of you

49:39.080 --> 49:39.420
who are starting

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with Ubuntu,

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or however you

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pronounce it,

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I don't know.

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It's essentially

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you pop it in

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your CD-ROM,

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you boot up

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your computer,

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and it's four or

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five clicks,

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and you're

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installed.

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It's amazingly

49:52.580 --> 49:53.020
easy.

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I use it on my

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laptop mainly

49:54.840 --> 49:55.840
because Debian,

49:56.100 --> 49:56.760
what I used to

49:56.760 --> 49:57.300
use, had some

49:57.300 --> 49:57.860
problems with it

49:57.860 --> 49:58.560
when I wanted to

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install it and

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did not fully

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support my

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laptop because it

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was last new.

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Ubuntu picked it

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up fine, and it

50:03.820 --> 50:05.080
was just amazingly

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easy to install.

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I was literally

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in shock.

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And I really have

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no complaints about

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it.

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I have some

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small complaints,

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but nothing,

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just more minor

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annoyances for

50:15.980 --> 50:16.720
myself because I

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used to come from

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a Slackware

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environment, which

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is another

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distribution you

50:19.820 --> 50:20.460
can try, but

50:20.460 --> 50:21.960
I'm really starting

50:21.960 --> 50:22.600
to fade away from

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my Slackware

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zealotry.

50:25.100 --> 50:27.060
So, let's get

50:27.060 --> 50:28.220
into why Linux

50:28.220 --> 50:29.000
is better than

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Windows.

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First of all,

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Linux is free!

50:33.020 --> 50:33.520
Can I hear a

50:33.520 --> 50:33.800
free song?

50:33.800 --> 50:36.620
F-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E!

50:37.000 --> 50:37.600
Free!

50:49.340 --> 50:49.900
Wow.

50:50.980 --> 50:52.540
You sound like one

50:52.540 --> 50:53.300
of those old air

50:53.300 --> 50:54.300
sirens you have on

50:54.300 --> 50:55.720
fire trucks.

50:57.160 --> 50:58.260
You really did.

50:58.340 --> 50:59.120
It was amazing.

50:59.120 --> 51:29.100
Well, CSM does wonders to free.

51:29.120 --> 51:32.160
Yes. Did I say that correctly? I think I did.

51:33.400 --> 51:35.500
I think it's a jiggly pokery or something.

51:36.020 --> 51:36.980
Yeah, jiggly pokery.

51:38.620 --> 51:40.980
Whatever enough. You can get Linux working on anything.

51:41.720 --> 51:46.620
And the fun part about Linux is that when you can install it, you don't have to worry about piracy.

51:46.860 --> 51:48.400
You can just install it everywhere.

51:49.040 --> 51:50.600
You know, two or three blocks setting up.

51:50.680 --> 51:53.700
You've got that old P100 that your mom threw out and put it down in the basement,

51:53.820 --> 51:55.720
but she put it down in the basement and didn't want to throw out.

51:55.720 --> 51:57.180
You can install Linux on it.

51:57.180 --> 52:01.280
You can pass it in the corner, toss a network card in it, and you can do that.

52:01.520 --> 52:06.940
And one of the first things I did when I got my Linux box is I had my desktop,

52:07.700 --> 52:10.180
and I set up a Linux box that I could beat up against.

52:10.480 --> 52:14.860
And one of the first things I really started doing it is I wanted to be the lead script kitty,

52:14.860 --> 52:18.280
and I started just tacking away on it.

52:18.340 --> 52:22.540
Like, I set it up in a default configuration and see how many times I could break into it.

52:23.040 --> 52:25.860
And for those of you who want to try to start getting into that,

52:26.140 --> 52:29.940
this is the best way to do it because it's completely legal.

52:30.180 --> 52:31.360
You are running the box.

52:31.540 --> 52:34.200
It's on your own little private network if you have one,

52:34.200 --> 52:37.120
and you can just bash it until the cows come home

52:37.120 --> 52:39.720
and not worry about the feds coming in at 2 a.m. to say, you know,

52:39.800 --> 52:40.680
hi, surprise.

52:43.040 --> 52:45.840
Or alternatively, you can bash it until the feds come home.

52:46.900 --> 52:49.580
Well, no, because the feds won't come because you are a box.

52:50.380 --> 52:50.880
That's the best part.

52:50.880 --> 52:51.720
No, no, no, no, no.

52:51.980 --> 52:54.520
Until the feds go to their own home.

52:55.340 --> 52:57.860
They leave the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

52:57.860 --> 53:01.700
and then they go to their own apartments in wherever, in Virginia, whatever.

53:02.000 --> 53:03.560
Very, very true, very true.

53:05.580 --> 53:09.940
So, Inezus Strom, totally, totally bashing the cliché.

53:13.340 --> 53:16.620
And, you know, it was really cool.

53:16.880 --> 53:18.400
What I did is I went to a site.

53:18.500 --> 53:19.740
I'm going to shine a shout-out to it.

53:19.800 --> 53:24.000
It's called PacketStormSecurity, and it's PacketStormSecurity.org.

53:25.080 --> 53:25.700
All one word.

53:25.700 --> 53:26.900
Los Angeles County line, yay.

53:27.820 --> 53:29.720
And we're going into Los Angeles now.

53:29.720 --> 53:34.260
So, how far away is, how much longer do you have, just out of curiosity?

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I think I'm roughly 80 miles or 70 miles outside of Los Angeles.

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I just hit the county line.

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Holy crap.

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Los Angeles County is huge.

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Yes, it's very big.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, PacketStormSecurity is a great site for those of you who want to get interested in security.

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What it is, is basically they have all kinds, it's a bit of a security blog, and they have all kinds of, you know, pre-made exploits.

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Basically, they just troll the mailing list, such as full disclosure and bug track.

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We'll get into those later.

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And what they do is, they just grab all the exploits that come by, or any new tools that come out, and just mirror it.

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And it's all there, it, you know, it's all there at your fingertips.

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You can go and say, like, you know, show me, you know, I said, you know, again, and I've probably said it like 15 times.

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Go in, you know, show me exploits that, you know, for Linux from, you know, 2.4 kernel running Apache, and they have everything subdivided.

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It's simply amazing.

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I don't know who runs it, but they do just an amazing job.

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I actually fell out with it for a while, and I've really just started getting back into it, and I completely forgot about it.

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I just completely forgot how amazingly cool it is.

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And there's a fun way to do it.

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Also, there's, like, the other thing, the coolest thing about Linux is that if you want to get into programming, there's free compilers for everything.

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There's free integrated development environments so that you can have everything nice in a nice, you know, graphical user environment, like they were talking about earlier, because Linux has one of those.

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Or you can just, you know, sit on a console and bang out stuff, and it looks like Strom fell off.

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It looks like L.A. County doesn't have the best cell phone reception.

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Are you there, G.I. Joe?

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Yeah, I'm not sure if I have the Linux expertise.

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Oh, there's also free stuff for Windows, too.

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I mean, have you ever played with, oh, goodness, I'm drawing a blank on the name.

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There's also free IDEs out there for Windows.

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It doesn't necessarily need to be Linux.

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I'm just the Linux evangelist.

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I enjoy Linux.

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I play with it all the time, and I try to use it.

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I'm really just really trying to move my work over to it, despite the kicking and screaming of my IT department, who don't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

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Right, yeah.

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I don't really, I don't have anything against Linux.

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I really haven't used it all too much.

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It's, I, I really haven't had the opportunity to use it and haven't had an, a box, an extra box to use it on necessarily for the, for, you know, the time I've been using computers.

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So, I mean, it is something, it's not, I, I'm not anti-Linux or anything.

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I just haven't had a chance to, like, to look into it too much.

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Yeah, and, and for that, I mean, G.I. Joe brought up a very excellent point.

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For people who don't have extra boxes kicking around, and something I really should have looked into are, uh, free shell accounts.

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There, there's stuff out there.

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I believe one of them is called, uh, silenceisdefeat.org.

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I really should have set 10 URL that.

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I, I believe, actually, Sean is from there, if I'm not mistaken, our, our email there earlier.

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Let me go pull that one up.

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I didn't, I didn't, I don't think I copied the signature over.

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But, um, there's free shell accounts out there.

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There's Linux.

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There's, um, what it is, there's, there's Linux.

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There's, I think there might be Unix stuff out there too.

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It's, it's just really cool.

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Yes, that's silenceisdefeat.org.

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And that, that's free Unix shell accounts.

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And, you know, if even...

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Oh my gosh!

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This will go down in binary revolution history.

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Black Ratchet has just said org instead of orge.

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Yes, yes, I'm trying to go away from that because apparently I caught some flack at that for DEF CON.

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All you silly people who can't interpret alternate spellings or sayings or everything.

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Sure, sure, make your, make your, make your pronunciation, thank you.

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Yes, it's almost midnight here on the East Coast and boy am I tired.

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Uh, and you just, there's like free shell accounts out there and this is really just starting to turn into a giant rant, isn't it?

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Oh well, just bear with us.

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The other thing you want to do if you want to be, you know, getting back into the hacking thing, you know, get involved with the community.

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Uh, the really thing that brought me into the community right now was, uh, forums.binrev.com.

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It's a, it's the Binrev forum site.

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It's a really good, I, I, I constantly sing its praises.

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I probably sound like a really big old lackey.

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But, uh, it's just a really friendly forum site.

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I mean, I hang out there.

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I, I, and for the longest time I, I started there around, I guess I could say April or May.

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I started lurking there last year.

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And I figured, you know, I, I'd sign up for her account.

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I'd probably last for at least, at most a month.

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And, because, like, these things don't really, uh, keep my fancy too long.

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And here it is a year later, over a year later, and like 1,050 posts for me.

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And I'm still there.

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It's just a really friendly site.

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And I've met a lot of fun people out there, you know, such as Strom Carlson and G.I. Joe.

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Take a bow.

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Uh, hey.

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I'm, I'm bowing as best I can, given the circumstances.

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Yeah, true.

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Don't bow, Strom.

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Just, yeah, we'll, we'll just do a virtual bow for you.

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And.

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If I bow, like, if I bow hard enough, I'll hit my head to the horn, you know, like.

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There we go.

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It's as, as Strom goes careening off the road on I-5.

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Ah!

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And, I, I, I gotta say, there's also another.

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Oh, oh, oh.

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And from there, I mean, forum.com.com.

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I, I, I met, I met Stank.

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I met the entire DDP.

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I met a lot of, I met a lot of great people.

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Very, too many to even talk about.

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Oh, yeah.

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And what it is.

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Lots of really great people on the forum.

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Yes.

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And from there, I got, uh, Stank finally convinced me to go to my local 2600 meeting.

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And I've met, you know, tons of more people there.

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I've met, you know, the kid, uh, Proctology Stay, um, uh, Buck Rogers, just a ton of good

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people over there.

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And if I didn't actually start hanging out on the forums, I would have never even considered

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going to my 2600 meeting because I, I had a bad experience there about five years ago.

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It was very, how shall we say, elitist.

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And I won't go on to a rant, but it's, it's improved, but not too much.

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Getting on to it.

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Uh, you know, you know, what it is, is if you get involved in the community, just, if you

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start talking to people, you'll look, pick up tons of stuff.

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You pick up tons of stuff at this meeting.

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I, my meeting this week, uh, someone brought a, uh, program from Black Hat 2005, and we

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actually all looked up the part where they turned, where they tore out Michael Lynn's,

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uh, presentation.

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And I, I actually have photos of it.

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It's pretty funny.

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It goes from, like, 799 to, uh, 826.

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And there's a nice little 16th of an inch section missing.

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For those who don't know, there was a major problem with Black Hat 2005, and someone did a

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presentation that Cisco did not like, and feds were involved, and lawsuits, and all kinds

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of crazy stuff.

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But, I mean, Strom, you've got wonderful people.

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Google for Google Gates.

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Yeah, Cisco Gates.

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That's exactly what it is.

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Just Google for that.

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Uh, I mean, Strom, you, you, you run, uh, another group you want to get involved with is, if you're

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in your area, is your DEFCON group.

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Boston doesn't have one, but, uh, Strom is actually involved with, uh, DC213, which is in

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Los Angeles.

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Oh, and Strom apparently didn't want to talk about DC213.

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Thank you.

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Uh, Strom's involved with, uh, DC213 in Los Angeles, and that's another group.

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What they do is they basically, they're a lot like 2600, except they're, I won't say a

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bit more formal, but they're a bit more organized.

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Every month they have a talk on it, and I'd really like to get something started in Boston.

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I just don't have free time because I've been too busy with DEFCON, and now I have this.

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And it's just, it really goes on with a lot of stuff, and I'm having trouble articulating

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my words, pardon me.

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It's just great to actually sit down, you know, meet a bunch of people that, uh, just

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share the same interest with you, and you can just sit there, and you can actually talk

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about, you know, we can actually, we have a nice little discussion on Michael Lynn's

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talk, and, you know, basically we all complained about how Cisco was a bunch of assholes.

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And it was just great, because, you know, you can't talk to your friends about that at

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school or at work if you don't talk with, work with a bunch of techs.

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I mean, I can't go up to, you know, my boss at work who has no interest in technology and

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say, hey, did you catch that Michael Lynn Cisco date thing?

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And she'll just look at me and say, what?

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T-Mobile is irritating me right now.

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Anyway, to get back to, not to cut in or anything, but I went to my local 2600 meeting,

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uh, and I'm, I've met a bunch of really great people there.

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It's, uh, a lot, my, pretty much my closest friends are from that meeting these days.

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And, uh, really awesome bunch of people.

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And I was, I was discussing how you were in charge of DC213.

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Oh, yes, yes, I've, I'm now in charge of, uh, DC213, which is the Los Angeles chapter

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of the Descon group.

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So, if you are in Los Angeles, please come to LA2600 and DC213, that's DC213.org, org, and,

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uh, LA2600.org, for directions and times and whatnot.

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Hold on, let me go shut up.

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And, yeah.

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And, yeah.

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However, um, I, I, I just want to put as a disclaimer that although LA2600 is a great, great bunch of

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people out here, Boston as well, your local 2600 group, yeah, it, it, it may be a mixed

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bag.

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People are different from place to place.

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I just came back from San Francisco and I decided, you know, hey, I'm there on the first

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Friday of the month.

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I might as well see what the SF2600 meeting is like.

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And it was definitely a different crowd of people.

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I'm not sure if it's just because I wasn't used to the, uh, to the, to the way they behave

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or whatnot, but it certainly seemed to be a slightly more bizarre group of people compared

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to Los Angeles, but, um, certainly not in the lower in quality.

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Now, speaking of which, the Boston 2600 website has completely changed and I completely missed

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that.

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Wow.

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I should actually talk to, uh, them about that.

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Anyway, um, boston2600.org, that's, uh, Boston 2600 site.

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And, you know, exactly what Strom said, um, Blake Ops, who's our friend from Minnesota, you

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need to have him on the show sometime.

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Um, what he, he went to, uh, Minnesota 2600 and basically they don't exist.

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He went to the meeting place and it is gone.

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And, you know, if, if it comes down to, if there's none in your area, like for example,

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you, you do live quite outside of, uh, a major metropolitan city, you know, spread around,

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go around, try to set one up yourself, you know, talk about 26, talk about on 2600, um,

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email yourself, uh, I believe it's on the back of the 2600 magazine, which I haven't actually

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picked up yet.

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That's the summer, summer issue is out just so everyone knows.

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Uh, just, you know, set up something in your town or set up something in the closest major

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city you can get to and see if people will show up.

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Uh, I mean, you might have to go out and plaster some, you know, coffee shops or something,

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say like, you know, like technology, let's discuss it, 2600 group and East Bumfuck or something.

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And, you know, just set up there, do it yourself.

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I mean, take some initiative.

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You don't need to be dependent on everyone else.

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Uh, apparently, uh, apparently Boston 2600's website has been sort of April Fooled or something

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because they now have, uh, Boston 2600 Heavy Industries, which has been acquired by Symantec

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as of 7205.

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Ah, charming.

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Yes.

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And, I mean, you know, the best, like I said, the best thing about, uh, the meetings, and there's

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a mosquito in my room and I'm going to try to kill it, um, the best thing about the, the FaceTime

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and, ha ha, I got it, I'm like Mr. Miyake, uh, the best thing about, you know, the meetings

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is that, you know, like I said, you can talk about it because you, you, you normally don't

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meet each other every day and you don't meet a bunch of techs usually, you know, you know,

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a lot of you are in school, I'm sure you don't have a lot of techie friends, or you

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may have a handful who are in computers, but it's just, you know, 10, 20 people, sometimes

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more, sometimes less, depending on where you are, and everyone who just usually has very

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similar interests to yourself, radio, computers, certain people have telephones, I'm part of

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a very small freak minority in Boston 2600, but it's just, you know, sit there, you can

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just, just shoot the breeze and enjoy people, enjoy people's company who you like, and I've

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met a lot of good people there, and I've only been there going there for like two or three

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months, and I've had more than a group of friends, I hang out on the IRC channel all

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the time, and it's, it's great. Are you active in 2020? Here's an entry, as an aside, here's

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an entry for the Idiots of Interstate 5 log, this minivan in front of me is in the leftmost

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lane, and it has just left turn signal on, and I'm receiving a call, I'll be back shortly.

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Boy, this, this, this is wonderful. Ooh, apparently we were just received a call too, or something.

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Anyway, are you active in your 2600 group there, G.I. Joe?

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Uh, well, I am also in Minnesota, so there is no 2600 group.

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See, you and Blake Ops should get together and establish your own 2600 groups.

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Yes, I have, for some reason, I have not gotten together as Blake Ops yet.

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But, it's, I've known him, he's been around for a while, but it just doesn't happen yet.

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It will start something soon.

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Yeah, he's been around since about the same time I did. I mean, he was one of the first

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people I really ran into on the forums and befriended. And, I mean, this is what it is.

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I mean, you meet people, I mean, all these people that are going around that, you know,

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you live in your area and you don't know they exist. And, I mean, you go to your 2600 meeting

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and you meet them. That's, that's the best part. So, this is just turning into a long-winded

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rant on Linux and 2600 groups. And, and that, that's what it is. It's just, it's a great

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time, it's a great place to meet people and just generally talk tech.

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So, moving on the notes here. The other thing that you really want to, I mean, to become,

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to become a hacker, what you really need to do is you need to keep the rip your computer

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apart at least once and figure out what all little bits are. There's tons of tutorials

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online. And, just figure out what everything is. And, I think a really good place for this

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is Wikipedia. Is there any other things you can pop to mind, G.I. Joe?

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Well, I know when I was, when I was, knew a lot to flexible computers and I wanted more RAM

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or I wanted a bigger hard drive in my computer. Like, computer magazines would help a lot.

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It's like a, I remember I used to get a magazine called Smart Computing. And, that, I don't,

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I'm not sure if it's still around. I think it is. It's called Smart Computing or something.

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And, it will go through step-by-step and it will explain with pictures and explanations

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on how you change the RAM, how the RAM works. And, I mean, even, I mean, really anyone can do

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that, even if you're just a 12-year-old sitting with a family computer.

01:10:08.240 --> 01:10:14.420
Yeah. Computer CDs are just incredibly easy to use. Yeah. Computer CDs are just really incredibly

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:20.700
easy to use. I mean, compared to what I started out with. I mean, you know, the wonderful thing

01:10:20.700 --> 01:10:26.900
about SIMs is that you had to add them two at once and BIMs you had to only add one at once.

01:10:26.900 --> 01:10:34.560
Yep. You won't slice off your hand when you open up your case anymore, which is, which was actually

01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:39.480
always kind of fun in my idea. It was kind of like, you know, diffusing a bomb of some sort.

01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:45.720
Yeah, because we all know that, you know, contact on memory chips and whatnot are always made more

01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:52.200
effective by the addition of a little bit of blood. Well, computers run faster with blood, that was

01:10:52.200 --> 01:10:56.680
the thing. And, I completely did not hear you pop on for that one. I guess my phone cut out for a second.

01:10:56.900 --> 01:11:03.400
Hmm. Yeah, no, I've dropped it off. That's what the overclockers' secret are. I mean, all

01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:07.780
these people who actually want to do water cooling are just, you know, great vampires who

01:11:07.780 --> 01:11:12.060
want to cool their stuff with blood. They're parking up the wrong street. 55 zone ahead, 45 zone

01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:20.520
ahead will be enforced. What the hell? Will Straum make it to Los Angeles on time? Tune in on

01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:23.080
our next episode of Binary Revolution Radio.

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Down, down, down. Or something.

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Yes. Actually, I was thinking more of general organ music. That's what it is. Just, you need

01:11:35.780 --> 01:11:41.200
to rip your computer apart at least once. I mean, my computer right now is missing a front

01:11:41.200 --> 01:11:46.560
bezel because all the crap I have piled into it will not allow the computer to close anymore.

01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:53.860
I bought a, interesting story, just a little sidetrack. The way I bought my computer was

01:11:53.860 --> 01:11:58.500
I had a friend who was currently working, who, not currently, who at the time was working

01:11:58.500 --> 01:12:06.840
at CompUSA back in June of 2000 for a summer job. And, apparently, some electrician moron

01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:14.080
decided to accidentally wire up the, one of the display cases that this computer was sitting

01:12:14.080 --> 01:12:23.600
on that I own up to a 220 volt circuit. So, it ate about 220 volts for a minute or so, a

01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:27.540
couple of minutes or so, and completely fried the power supply. So, my friend called up and

01:12:27.540 --> 01:12:33.340
said, hey, Ratchet. Of course, he didn't say that. He said my real name. I have a computer

01:12:33.340 --> 01:12:38.000
in here, and it's currently in, according to my manager, it's broken. He won't listen

01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.820
to me because I know what's wrong with it, but it's, the power supply is completely fried

01:12:41.820 --> 01:12:49.880
on it, and it's just blown out because it would ate 220 volts for a while. It's currently

01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:55.100
sitting in our, you know, damaged good case for about half, for about 50% off, which I

01:12:55.100 --> 01:12:58.620
think you should, I think you really want to buy. Xenio is in the market for a new computer.

01:12:58.620 --> 01:13:05.480
So, I show up. It normally costs about $700. I picked it up for 300 and, actually, I don't

01:13:05.480 --> 01:13:10.640
know how much I picked it up for. I picked it up for 50% off, and it was, it was an absolute

01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:17.580
steal, and I invested about $100 in our new power supply, and it works like a charm. It's

01:13:17.580 --> 01:13:22.400
been working for five years, knock on wood, and it will continue to work and not kill anything.

01:13:23.440 --> 01:13:25.560
Is that real wood, or is that particle board?

01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:29.560
That, that, this is real, honest-to-goodness wood, nice stained plywood.

01:13:30.780 --> 01:13:31.240
Oh, good.

01:13:32.120 --> 01:13:39.100
This is, yeah, my computer has been, I have actually had more hardware trouble with computers

01:13:39.100 --> 01:13:45.500
than I care to talk about, but my computer has been sitting without, actually, had been

01:13:45.500 --> 01:13:51.060
sitting without size on it for months. I moved my desk, then I moved my desk again, and

01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:56.880
then I realized that my computer was kind of loud, so I decided to try and find the sides

01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:05.040
and see if that made it quieter. And I realized, and 45 speed limit, and I realized that I had

01:14:05.040 --> 01:14:12.260
actually had the sides sitting at the location of the computer before the previous move.

01:14:12.260 --> 01:14:19.680
And I think, yeah, and so occasionally you'll see my computer sitting there with a hard drive

01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:27.780
hanging out the side of it, or, you know, something plugged into it in a bizarre way.

01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:33.920
I think right now I've got that video screen I bought from Blake, because he didn't include

01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:39.600
the TC power supply, but it did include some cabling backed up where it plugs into your

01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:44.300
computer's power supply, the Molex connector. I have that hanging out of the side of the

01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:45.080
computer right now.

01:14:46.220 --> 01:14:51.520
Hmm. Well, actually, one of my friends for the longest time actually had his computer on

01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:57.040
his desk completely naked. Essentially, it was a power supply, a hard drive, and a video

01:14:57.040 --> 01:15:03.160
card. And he ran that for the longest time. Plus, another one of my friends, he had an MP3

01:15:03.160 --> 01:15:08.020
server, which essentially was the same thing, except no video card that everyone accessed

01:15:08.020 --> 01:15:14.740
over the network. And basically, what they did is they exported a X display. This is kind

01:15:14.740 --> 01:15:20.020
of technical for people who don't know Linux. They essentially made it so that the Linux version

01:15:20.020 --> 01:15:25.400
of Winamp popped up on their own computers, and they controlled it from there. And if you

01:15:25.400 --> 01:15:28.680
just looked up in the corner of the room, you saw this motherboard and two speakers and

01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:33.600
a power supply in a hard drive. And it was highly amusing.

01:15:35.020 --> 01:15:38.500
It would be really cool to do something like that, but mount it on the wall. You know, just have

01:15:38.500 --> 01:15:39.900
parts mounted on the wall there.

01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:48.520
Ooh, there we go. That would be really neat. And so, and that's really what it is. It's just,

01:15:48.620 --> 01:15:54.460
you know, figuring everything out, figuring out how it works, and just mecking about with it.

01:15:54.460 --> 01:16:00.660
And, you know, it comes in a lot to, and it works in everyday life. You just diagnose

01:16:00.660 --> 01:16:06.160
something and you figure it. Like, for example, I think G.I. Joe has a story about, you know,

01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:08.200
this huge fun thing he found with Net Zero.

01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:17.620
Yeah, well, yeah, I always think it's fun. I don't know about hacking or whatever, but you

01:16:17.620 --> 01:16:23.560
just, you have what you have, and you just, and you can just bang away at it, mess with

01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:30.380
it, whatever. Oh, yeah, we were talking, I don't remember how I got thinking about Net Zero.

01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:40.300
So, but this is, for those who probably remember, when the internet was free, or I should say

01:16:40.300 --> 01:16:49.320
the World Wide Web connection was free, you had Net Zero, you had Juno, and on and on.

01:16:49.320 --> 01:16:57.060
And then after the bubble burst, yes, after the bubble burst, of course, you know, they're

01:16:57.060 --> 01:17:03.200
starting to go out of business, and you saw more and more, you're getting more and more

01:17:03.200 --> 01:17:11.180
ads, and Net Zero always had this big, ugly toolbar. Anyway, so desperate for revenue, they

01:17:11.180 --> 01:17:19.320
started this program, where you would have to, you would connect to the internet, but before

01:17:19.320 --> 01:17:24.000
you could access anything, it would download a TV commercial, and you would have to watch

01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:32.220
that TV commercial. Unfortunately, they so badly programmed this, it would, for some reason,

01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:38.640
didn't work on my computer. It would connect to the internet, start to load up the,

01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:48.640
the TV, the TV viewer, the commercial viewer, and all you had to do was just stop it from

01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:55.460
loading, just end program it, I mean, just terminate the program directly, and you'd have

01:17:55.460 --> 01:18:03.980
unrestricted internet access, which necessarily isn't itself, doesn't sound too exciting, but

01:18:03.980 --> 01:18:11.480
I mean, for someone like me, who at the time, you had barely any internet access, and it was always

01:18:11.480 --> 01:18:23.160
with a huge, you know, 800 by 400 pixel banner, it was just one of the most exciting things I had ever

01:18:23.160 --> 01:18:32.320
had. It just always seems, little things like that, is kind of what can make up a hacker lifestyle,

01:18:32.320 --> 01:18:38.040
I guess you would say, just messing with what you have, finding the little quirks that you can

01:18:38.040 --> 01:18:40.380
use to enjoy, for your own enjoyment.

01:18:40.940 --> 01:18:46.320
And that's exactly what it is, I mean, you basically surmised it right up there, and the

01:18:46.320 --> 01:18:51.680
other thing I just want to toss out there is, you know, you said it yourself, oh, I don't think

01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:57.580
this is a big thing. It is, I mean, if it's a big thing to you, it's definitely a big thing.

01:18:57.580 --> 01:19:03.900
Never let anyone put something that you say down, it's, even if it is, like, if someone

01:19:03.900 --> 01:19:10.600
comes up to you and says, oh, only noobs do that, I mean, you start someplace, you figure

01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:15.120
it out yourself, never let someone take that away from you. It's what it is, and I mean,

01:19:15.240 --> 01:19:20.640
I personally find GI Joe's thing really cool and really amusing, and I find Net Zero incredibly

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:25.200
stupid for even thinking that, you know, that could possibly happen. There's about 15 different

01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:31.700
ways if you can, you know, code around that, but, you know, just some people are really

01:19:31.700 --> 01:19:38.520
stupid and don't do that. And, I mean, technically, we've hardly scratched the surface. This has

01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:42.480
just turned into a really long rant, and I tossed out a few websites out there, and I

01:19:42.480 --> 01:19:46.920
hope that I enlightened a few people and, you know, at least got them, you know, at least

01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:48.260
interested in what this is.

01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:56.160
If you're interested also in a little taste of hacker culture, go to the hacker jargon

01:19:56.160 --> 01:20:02.960
file and browse through that. That's it. I don't have a tiny URL available for this, but

01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:25.860
it's at www.catb, that's C, uh, charliealphatangobravo.org, slash, childy, echo, sierra, what's R?

01:20:25.860 --> 01:20:39.880
Uh, Romeo. Romeo. Romeo, echo, sierra, romeo, slash, jargon, and, uh, if you go there, there's

01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:45.860
the hacker jargon file, which, uh, contains, among other things, a portrait of a typical

01:20:45.860 --> 01:20:53.820
hacker, uh, and, uh, a very, very big lexicon with lots of, uh, examples of how hackers speak.

01:20:53.820 --> 01:21:00.840
And if you read through that, you'll, you'll pick up a lot of the, uh, a lot of the culture

01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:06.820
and a lot of the mentality of a good hacker. Not a pathetic one, but a good one.

01:21:07.260 --> 01:21:13.760
Yes. And, and just for everyone's, uh, Sandy, I'm going to a tiny URL. Another link to it's

01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:17.720
not the one that he gave, but it's the same file. It's, it's mirrored all over the place.

01:21:17.720 --> 01:21:25.220
It's, uh, tinyurl.com, slash, charlie6julietoscarlima. Boy, I really need to, like, put that tiny

01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:29.820
URL, uh, plug-in on my Firefox browser, because I've just been using it so much for the show.

01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.720
I never used it before. But it's...

01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:37.020
I need to read the tiny URL things from my head. I think that would be the best.

01:21:37.980 --> 01:21:39.660
Who, and really, who doesn't?

01:21:40.660 --> 01:21:41.060
Yes.

01:21:41.060 --> 01:21:46.100
So, I, I, I guess we'll just sort of, uh, wrap up. And, uh, I, I, technically, I guess, you

01:21:46.100 --> 01:21:46.260
know...

01:21:46.260 --> 01:21:47.520
Oh, CHP has stopped somebody.

01:21:48.900 --> 01:21:55.960
Uh-oh. Dun-dun-dun. Is, is, is it, is it Ponch and, uh, oh, goodness. What was the other...

01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:58.720
Damn it. Anyway, I'm dating myself.

01:21:59.820 --> 01:22:03.660
Yeah, I'm, I'm dating myself. None of these little kids will know what the heck I'm talking

01:22:03.660 --> 01:22:08.520
about. It was an old 60s and 70s TV show that goes around in the early 80s, I guess.

01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:14.640
So, I, I, I guess, yeah, I guess we'll kind of wrap this up right here. Um, announcements.

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I'm going to, uh, once again, shout out to the, uh, I guess, L-U-C-S, the, the L-U-C-S,

01:22:22.040 --> 01:22:28.180
the, uh, L-U-C-Society.org, uh, by Iron Geek. Apparently, they meant, they meet at least every

01:22:28.180 --> 01:22:36.000
month. Uh, check out their website, uh, www.L-U-C-Society.org. And, uh, the, the, the site of the week,

01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:42.880
uh, I'm going to make that the New Hacker's Dictionary at tinyurl.com slash, uh, C-6-J-O-L.

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:49.200
That's Charlie 6, Juliet, Oscar Lima. Uh, like I said, like, like, it's a really good site.

01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:54.780
And I, I actually have the printed edition of it because I found it so cool. And it's just,

01:22:55.460 --> 01:23:00.660
it's, it's really fun to read. You, you will lose hours reading it. It's, it's a, it's a work

01:23:00.660 --> 01:23:05.420
productivity virus when I first discovered it. That's, I, I think I spent the entire

01:23:05.420 --> 01:23:09.040
day just flipping around and clicking little hyperlinks and reading the various definitions

01:23:09.040 --> 01:23:13.920
they've come up with. Some of it is dated, I will admit. But it's, it's a very interesting

01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:23.180
insight on original hacker culture. Uh, email, as always, is radio at binrev.com. And the closing

01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:28.020
music tonight. Yeah. Well, I've got some announcements too. Oh, you have some announcements too? Okay,

01:23:28.100 --> 01:23:33.380
go right ahead. Sorry. I was just kind of flying on autopilot. Yeah. My announcement is that

01:23:33.380 --> 01:23:40.360
I may or may not be on the show next week. I'm going to be on vacation. I will attempt valiantly

01:23:40.360 --> 01:23:47.320
to try and be on the show at some point. Wow. There's something kicking up an impenetrable

01:23:47.320 --> 01:23:55.460
cloud of dust on University 5. Anyway, um, do you want to go? I'm sorry? No, no, no. I'm,

01:23:55.460 --> 01:24:00.400
I'm, I'm, I'm through the cloud of dust now. Okay. But I will, I will attempt to join you

01:24:00.400 --> 01:24:07.220
guys for the show next week. If not, uh, I, I wish you all the best of luck. And I don't,

01:24:07.460 --> 01:24:14.800
uh, something or other. Yes, I'm also 36 miles outside of Los Angeles. Yay. And that's, those

01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:20.960
are my announcements for the week. Uh, my, yeah, my site's also back up for those of

01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:26.780
you who, uh, missed it because, uh, we, I got linked. Oh, and, and we should give a shout

01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:34.580
out as well to Brian Krebs from WashingtonPost.com. Yes. He's an awesomely, yeah, awesomely cool

01:24:34.580 --> 01:24:42.880
reporter. You can visit his blog online at WashingtonPost.com slash security fix, which

01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:47.740
will, I'm sure, kind of URL that as well. And I, I think we kind of URLed it last week.

01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:53.260
Go, go, we mentioned it last week on the show. Go, go read it then. Yeah. Anyway, he, he,

01:24:53.260 --> 01:24:59.200
he linked to my, he linked to my site from his blog, which caused my bandwidth limit to almost

01:24:59.200 --> 01:25:04.220
immediately be exceeded on my, on my existing ISP, which was the impetus for me to change

01:25:04.220 --> 01:25:09.460
to our new server. So, uh, kudos to Brian. It's not on a bright, shiny new server with tons

01:25:09.460 --> 01:25:18.860
and tons of bandwidth. Yes. So, uh, yes. G.I. Joe, do you have any announcements? I do

01:25:18.860 --> 01:25:30.280
not. Nothing, do not. How about any, how many, how about any shouts? Um, well, um, I'll give

01:25:30.280 --> 01:25:38.720
a shout out to people at, uh, make magazine. They put out a nice ad, mostly ad-free magazine,

01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:44.200
and that's something I was going to mention, but I didn't think of it. It's pretty much a,

01:25:44.200 --> 01:25:53.940
uh, a real life hacking all aspects. There's lots of cool electronic stuff that people should

01:25:53.940 --> 01:25:58.860
check out. Yes. I, I, I very much covered the software side of things. I think we hardly

01:25:58.860 --> 01:26:03.460
scratched the surface tonight. I mean, this is just a very, just, it's, it's a complete

01:26:03.460 --> 01:26:07.760
drop in a, like a million gallon bucket. It really is with all the stuff we covered.

01:26:08.940 --> 01:26:13.300
Um, I don't know. I don't think I, um, the, the only announcement I think I have actually

01:26:13.300 --> 01:26:18.440
is, uh, I will be attending in September the Yvonne conference, which is a voice over IP

01:26:18.440 --> 01:26:24.540
conference in Boston. Uh, if for free people who have FWD or free world dial up, that is,

01:26:24.540 --> 01:26:30.660
uh, you get a free admittance to the, uh, showroom floor, and I think I'm going to be there at

01:26:30.660 --> 01:26:36.100
least for one day and just, you know, mucking about and hanging around and trying to get

01:26:36.100 --> 01:26:43.920
free swag. Yeah. And that's, I think that's, uh, September 20th through 23rd. Also, I will,

01:26:44.040 --> 01:26:49.900
I'm giving a shout to Mark Spencer, who was an awesome host in San Francisco this weekend.

01:26:49.900 --> 01:26:56.580
Mm-hmm. Uh, I had a great time hanging with him this weekend, and I will also, I guess

01:26:56.580 --> 01:27:02.260
now, now, Astericon, which is the Asterisk convention for all of you Asterisk freaks out

01:27:02.260 --> 01:27:08.340
there, is going to be in Anaheim this year from October something to October something

01:27:08.340 --> 01:27:11.940
else. I think it's in the middle of October, I'm not sure, but I think it's mid-October.

01:27:11.940 --> 01:27:17.520
It is in October. Yeah, mid-October 2005 in Anaheim, California, and I will be there.

01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:28.100
So, uh, I won't, uh, hope, hope to see you all at Astericon, and I think that's about

01:27:28.100 --> 01:27:35.060
it for our show, the show this week. As always, radio at quinnrev.com, and our closing music

01:27:35.060 --> 01:27:40.620
is, Ratchet, tell us all about it. Our closing, our closing music is a, uh, track called Recursion

01:27:40.620 --> 01:27:50.960
by a band called Jega, G-E-G-A, I'm sorry, J-E-G-A, Juliet Elko Golf Alpha. Uh, once again,

01:27:51.020 --> 01:27:58.280
get it from epitonic.com, which is a wonderful site, and I guess we will see you next week,

01:27:58.280 --> 01:28:01.880
same hack time, same hack channel.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.