This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you
in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalled hoes, cause I'm riding the net
in my six foes, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,
on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and
I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through
my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, and a digital hug, you just caught
the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused the fight between Un and Jay-Z, cause CG, it's
all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattle
and earphones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves your fight on
your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and
crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crew, serial phones, source codes, ISO,
RAM, SIF, SIF, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers.
Live from the middle of nowhere on Interstate 5 in the Central Valley of California, it's
Binary Revolution Radio.
Episode 108, aren't we amazing, like we've done 108 episodes, well, technically we have,
I feel like I have accomplished something amazing.
Yeah, today's air date is, uh, the, what is it, the 9th I think it would be?
Yeah, tomorrow's the 9th, isn't it?
Well, today's, yeah, I'm driving, so don't need more than my watch.
Yeah, so, technically we can say it's the, you know, we're all confused here, Shom's heading
back from Linux World in San Francisco and some VoIP developer conference, and so we had,
we also caught on GI Joe here today, so you can tell we're desperate, right GI Joe?
Yeah, that shows you need someone.
Also, because I'm driving and I'm on a mobile phone, I apologize in advance for the horrendous
GSM compression being done to my voice, and for any background noise and honking and swearing
and eating and drinking that you may hear.
Yes, he has the bottle of Johnny Walker right next to him, he's taking random swigs while he's
headed down, because, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's California, they do that out there,
and there's, like, people driving by with guns, and it's, it's amazing out there.
It's pure anarchy, it's, it's delicious.
I, I saw L.A. Story, I know exactly how it works.
Oh, yes, because L.A. Story is completely accurate to realize.
Exactly, I, I know it is, I saw it in the movies, it has to be true.
Right?
And it's always sunny and, and it's always sunny and 72 degrees in California, or in Los Angeles.
That's the truth.
All right, so let's, let's, let's sort of delve into our housekeeping this week.
Um, first off, I'd like to send out a congratulations, uh, congratulations to Telco Bob for being our
note schmuck, um, uh, note taker for, uh, for placing Logos X.
You did a wonderful job while Stank's reign was in stream, decided he'd take a break, so.
This week on the forums, I sent a, I sent a, I sent a shout out to people.
I say, you know, we need a note taker.
And basically, uh, Telco Bob proved most worthy, mainly because he was, you know, the first one there.
And people sent in, people sent in note samples, and they're very nice, and I, I finally chose Telco Bob,
because his, his note sample was the best, and, uh, I think, uh, Booter and Right Coast, I believe,
were the other two, and they sent in two very good entries, but, uh, just sadly, I, I, Telco Bob
was the first, and they were all very good entries, but Telco Bob was the first, so we, we chose him
instead.
However, uh, they got their own little portion.
No, it should be merit-based, not, uh, not time-based, so.
Well, no, no, it was merit-based, they were, they were all, they were all equals, so I went
on who responded first.
Ah, okay, okay, there we go.
Oh, sorry, well, I wasn't, I'm sort of stumbling over it.
Yes, you can tell that I am taking an extraordinarily active role in the production of the show, and
I don't even know what, how the hell we selected our new note taker.
Well, we, we just have you here, because you're hot.
Yes, yes, everyone wants my hot, uh,
We, we, we, we saw you, we're going to see you in the Men of DEF CON calendar.
We actually didn't mention that last week, did we?
Oh, yes, no, we didn't, we didn't, maybe we did, I don't remember.
No, I don't think we did, I don't think we mentioned the...
There's a Men of DEF CON calendar coming out, and I'm in it, shirtless.
Yes, there's photos up on my website of, uh, Strom's photo shoot, and it's, it's quite
disturbing of the photos I took, but I, I, I took it anyway.
He's there, you know, half-naked, laying on a, on a table with his, uh...
Holding on a butt set?
Yeah, um...
Yes, with a butt set, and with stickers all over me.
Yeah, the photo, the photo I took, he did not have the butt set on, but the, you were...
Please explain what your photo looks like, so we can get, you know, all of our two
female listeners can get excited.
Oh yeah, well, well, not just the female ones, also the gay ones.
Yeah, true, true, pardon me, pardon me.
Yeah, yeah, so there are several photos, I'm not sure which one they're going to pick.
One of them is me just lying shirtless on the table with a DEF CON sticker on my, on my shoulder,
if I remember correctly.
And the other one is me standing shirtless at a payphone with the butt sets and my belt
and some hard hats, uh, and I'm kind of clipping into the hidden wires underneath the payphone
and smiling mischievously.
Are you always smiling mischievously, but mischievously low?
Yes, but this time, especially so.
There's a second photograph of my butt set, which I'm not in, but which is somewhat more disturbing.
It's a guy using my butt set as nipple clamps.
Ow.
I, I, I don't want to see that photo, I really don't.
Like, every time you say it, I just really start clenching my chest.
Well, that's the truth.
And some people like nipple clamps.
So, shout out to all of you.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
A shout out to all of you who enjoy nipple clamps, I certainly don't.
I certainly don't either.
Anyway, moving right along.
Enough about nipple clamps for this episode.
We filled our nipple clamp quotient, or quotient, or quotient.
I think I'm just going to randomly pop up at random points during the show
and mention nipple plant.
No, no, because we've hit our quota.
That's what it is, not quotient.
I guess I'm tired.
I don't know.
I'm kind of stumbling over words here more than usual.
Sort of the next topic for housekeeping is
we sent out shouts out last week
to see who is our youngest person out there,
and so far we have a listener who is 12.
However, he did send his real name,
and I have his real name for his email,
but he did not sign anything,
so I'm not going to mention his name.
If you want your handle or name sent out there,
just email us, and we can send it out next week.
But he is 12,
and I'd like to congratulate him on being 12, I guess.
I don't know.
Can you be congratulated for not being old?
Yes, you can.
You can be congratulated for being young.
So congratulations for being young
and listening to the best Internet radio show ever.
In the world.
Bye.
Or if DEF CON by phone would say,
in the world.
We also had a couple people out there
who were just under the 13 mark.
Well, technically they were just over.
I had two or three people complain to me
that they missed the mark by about two or three weeks,
so I guess if we sent that shout-out on episode 105 or something,
we would get more responses.
But oh well.
Tough life.
And I'm going to follow in Stank Dog's footstep, Nick,
because I have a rant.
And it's a rant about 2,600.
So I'm going to step on a few people's toes for my first rants.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
A rant.
Are we excited?
G.I. Joe is just sitting there going,
I'm just going to sit here silent and listen to these two fools.
I'm just waiting for the time in the discussion.
You can interject at any time.
I did tell you this.
You are a co-host,
so you can just sort of shout-out,
tell me that I'm stupid,
tell Strom that he's stupid.
But I won't be held responsible for that.
Hey, look at this.
If I exist here, I can go to Maricopa.
I don't know why I'd want to go to Maricopa.
I love that GSM delay.
Yes.
That's another downside about GSM.
It delays about a half a second.
Yes.
Anyway, you were saying G.I. Joe?
Mobile phones suck.
And if you don't like listening to me,
then please send in your email
and tell me never, never, never to do the show
from a mobile phone again.
Yeah, well, I think Natus did a show
from a payphone and a mobile phone.
And plus, Stank always did the show
via the speakerphone and the VoIP,
so there was a nice, you know,
always half-second delay
between him and the speakerphone.
So it's usual.
I guess.
I'm not trying to talk, Stank.
Anyway, let's get back on track.
Let's get back on track
and hear Ratchet's rant.
Yeah, back to my rant.
So, 2600 has a podcast,
and I'm very happy that 2600 has a podcast
because I can automatically download their episodes.
And, however, the problem is
is their titles always say
New Off the Hook on the Line.
Now, New Off the Hook
or New Off the Wall Online.
Now, for me, I like to archive the shows.
I like, you know,
I keep about two or three weeks on my iPod.
And that makes it really, really, really annoying
because all I see are all these MP3s labeled
New Off the Hook on the Line.
God, I keep on saying that.
New Off the Hook Online.
And that's just really annoying.
And for some reason,
I spent about a half hour today
trying to find the episode
because I have Off the Wall
and everything else getting downloaded on there.
They should really just make a nice
Off the Hook podcast
where it's just Off the Hook
and it's actually labeled
and it's labeled with episode numbers
or what week or what date it was released.
I like Ben Roe's podcast.
Nick 84 did a wonderful job with it
because I can look at it
and I say,
oh, look, it's episode 105.
That's the new regime.
Here's the title of it.
Here's who hosted it.
It's all right there,
right on my podcast
and I can quickly dial to it
on my iPod
and I can quickly dial to it
and I can grab it
and I can play it.
And also with Off the Hook.
It really drives me batty today.
I had to listen to
four or five episodes
and it's always
the stupid radio-free
whatever it is
that they have beforehand
because they never start correctly on time
which is understandable.
I'm not ranting against that.
But I had to listen to
tons of people talking about
how we're going to save the Earth
and save the world
and save the environment
until I find out what episode it is
and nine times out of ten
it's not the right one
and it really pisses me off.
Oh, I felt good
to get that off my chest.
Okay, so let's go
into the email theme here.
Email, email, email.
Email, email, email, email, email, email.
And that's going right in
after the theme.
So our first email
is from Sean
and it says,
Hey folks,
I've enjoyed listening to the show
over the past month.
It's not nearly as boring
as some of the other podcasts
that cover the same topics.
However, you are starting
to bore the shit out of me
with some discussions lately.
There seems to be a lot of
Google is better than Yahoo.
Yahoo is better than Google.
iTunes is great.
iTunes sucks.
Really?
It seems like filler.
Just talk to fill up time.
If a person is listening
to your show,
it's a given they know
how to use a search engine
or they know how to use iTunes.
There isn't much revolution
in Binrev.
You guys should give yourself
a challenge rather than
falling on the same old stuff
all the time.
I realize the show
has a pretty long history
and most of the subjects
have been brought up already.
But the computer world
marches on
and there are new things
happening all the time.
Some of the things
that have come up lately.
Major security flaws
in Cisco routers.
Viruses already popping up
for Microsoft Vista.
A really stupid name.
Biowulf clusters
getting faster, etc.
Some new tutorials
for some new listeners
would be nice too.
How to set up a shell account.
How to decompile software.
How to make your PHP scripts
more secure.
And on and on and on.
Also, a weekly challenge
would be great.
Something along the lines of
using Python,
write a script that does
this or that.
Or decrypt the code
we put up on our website.
I don't know.
Something fun to do each week.
Anyway, I still do
enjoy this show.
Every once in a while
you guys talk about
something interesting.
Sean.
Well, Sean,
thanks for listening.
I'm glad we're not
too boring.
We do try to keep it that way.
However, I'd really like
to disagree with your statement
on people that listen
who don't want to hear
about your opinions.
My opinions,
strong opinions
or other people's opinions
on Yahoo, Google, iTunes, etc.
When I was a listener,
I enjoyed when Stank
would rail against
some new Google feature
that I enjoyed
and he tells me
it could be dangerous
in some way, shape, or form.
The Mossad could track me down
or some other such nonsense
because he doesn't like
Google for some reason.
I don't know why.
I always like,
it's always refreshing
at least for me
to hear someone's perspectives
of my own.
I don't always agree with them.
As you possibly imagine.
But, you know,
they at least do get me
thinking sometimes.
It's just more of a matter
of what you like
and what you don't.
One thing we're not
trying to do, though,
is just,
we're not trying to turn this
into a FlashDot rehash show.
You know,
you come in every week
and you basically hear
the same stories
you've been reading
on FlashDot
or New York Times
or something.
Not that there's anything
wrong with those shows.
I'm not trying
to knock anybody.
But, you know,
while some of the
topics you suggested
are neat,
I really can't talk
about how Windows Vistas
is because I've never
used it before.
I don't have a copy of it.
I haven't broken
into Microsoft.
Bill hasn't sent me
my, you know,
fillers CD yet.
And I really don't
want to rehash
what I've just heard
on forums
and opinion sites
and, you know,
places that you could
go and get it yourself
or other listeners
could go and get it yourself
because apparently
our listeners
can use search engines.
Ha ha.
I mean, you know,
however,
as soon as I do
when I plop down
and play with Vista,
I'm sure I'm going
to have some type of review
and I'm sure I'll be
ranting about it
on the next episode
because I'll be saying,
I played with Vista.
Isn't it wonderful?
That's for the weekly challenge.
And also,
the other thing
that comes to mind
is, you know,
in one section
of the email,
I forgot your name,
but what is the email?
Sean.
Hello, Sean.
In one section
of your email,
you talk about how
the topics we discuss
are boring
and then the other
section of the email
you suggest doing
a tutorial on how
to set up
your own shell account.
Well,
it occurs to me
that what's boring
to one person
might be interesting
to another person.
What might be interesting
to another person
may be horrifically boring
to somebody else.
So, you know,
we try and keep it interesting.
We try and keep it varied
and we're sorry
if we go over topics
that are, you know,
really old
or really dull to you,
but to the majority
of listeners,
I think the topics
we go over
are interesting
and exciting
and if nothing else,
they do provide
fresh perspectives.
if you guys
want to hear
if you,
the listeners
out there
in internet
radio land
want to hear
certain topics,
please by all means
email us
and let us know
that you want
to hear about them
and we will do
some research
and we'll find out
and we'll try our best
to get it on the show.
Yes,
like we said,
we have topics.
This is not
a content-free episode.
I believe someone
in the IRC channel,
I can't pronounce
his name,
Teoksti or something.
I'm sorry,
I'm butchering your name.
He essentially
called last week
Teoksti.
Teoksti, yes.
He called us
last week
was essentially
we ended it
with a content IOU
which I found
quite humorous.
There is content
this week
we're going
to go over
just basics
hackings
and basically
we're going
to try to answer
how do I
become a hacker
and hopefully
not fail miserably
at it
because I
actually did a lot of research on this episode
and tried to organize my thoughts in some
coherent manner.
And then you let the show notes to your office.
Well, I
was able to salvage them.
I did leave them at my office. They're currently sitting
on my C drive with my work computer
because I had to boot out of there early because I completely
lost track of time.
G.I. Joe, were you going to say something?
Yeah, I was just going
to say he's...
Sean mentioned using
exploits, talking about exploits and
Cisco, iOS, and everything else.
But what you have to remember
is we, on the radio,
you can't exactly go through
the same detail as the technical paper
say on FRAC could go through
working way out
expressly. It's kind of a lot more
generally discussion
based and you can't necessarily
go into extreme detail.
Indeed.
An example actually
that comes to mind is our asterisk
talk at DEF CON.
It was generally regarded
as a very good talk and I forget
who it was, but someone
mentioned, I think to Beave, that our talk didn't
go into nearly enough detail.
The problem is really
if you're in a
conversational type of
format where you're talking to people,
you can't really go into that
much technical detail unless your audience
is a bunch
of people that you know to be
really hardcore technical
people. A lot of people will
listen to the show just for
the banter and the content and then
you know an overview of things that might be
interesting to them.
And so we go into really
yeah, a witty banter.
And so if we do end up
going into
two reasons. One, if we end up
going into really
gritty detail about
something, then
we're probably going to bore
more than two-thirds of the audience
tears. And the second thing is
you know, at least for me
I don't want to go into any sort of
technical detail unless I am
completely sure that I'm going to be
accurate.
Indeed. And also, you know,
talking about setting, we're also going back to
an example of setting up the shell account. I mean, I really
don't want to spend half a show spelling out
Unix commands.
So, yeah, it is
I mean, he did bring up
Episode 103
The Bash Shell
He did bring up a good point
with the, you know,
it's cool. Some of the topics
he talked about are really cool and we
really need it. And people should talk about them.
But however, the radio show isn't
just the best format for them. And
even with a presentation when you're sitting there and you have a giant
PowerPoint slide, you can start going into
nitty-gritty tales about, you know, extensions.com
for a certain AGI script with asterisks.
For example, what we covered in our talk.
But, you know, we can't talk about that on the radio.
And actually, speaking of
our asterisk talk, we've had, you know, two or three
emails with people asking us to do our asterisk
talk on the show. So
we may have to do that at some point.
Someday when we're totally
devoid of content.
Of course. And also, actually, somebody
called me today and inquired
as to whether he could do our asterisk
He could give our asterisk talk to his
user group of some
kind. And I forget exactly where he
said it was. But he actually wants
to borrow our slideshow and our
codec demo file and give the asterisk talk
to some user group.
Oh, cool. Can we sit on there on like a VoIP phone and say,
hey, can we heckle them from the audience
and sit on VoIP phones?
I think I'll give the guy a call
and I'll ask him that after we do the show.
Yes, I think that should be
very cool. I'm glad people
are enjoying it. Anyway, let's go move on to
the next email. This one's
from Iron Geek and he says,
in episode 102, Stank said he could mention
hacker meetings on BivRev Radio
to help groups find more folks.
Do Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson plan to
do the same? If so, I'd like to mention
I'm not sure if this is
I'm veering off here. I'd like to mention
L-U-C-S and I'm not sure if it's
what we've pronounced Lux or something. So
we'll just say L-U-C-S. Anyway,
getting back to the email. We are a group in the
Louisville, Kentucky area, which
gets together at least once per month.
We meet on the first Saturday of the month. It's a specified
place at 6 p.m. This month
it's August 6, 2005 at Cafe
360 on Bardstown Road.
Could the group be mentioned
sometime? We have a site at
htp colon slash slash
www.lucsociety.org
And thanks, Iron Geek.
And, well, first off, I'd like to send
apologies to Iron Geek for
not mentioning this before, but
this is the first time it showed up in the inbox was
oh, between
last week's show and this week's show, so I couldn't really
help them getting on before that.
But, well, I mean,
it's kind of obvious that we read it.
I can't hear either of you guys. Can you hear me?
Yes, we can.
Looks like Strom's
faded out. This is the glory of doing
internet radio.
G.I. Joe, looks like you're going to have to pick up
the slack.
Will you just pull
open this email?
Go ahead. Nope, Strom's faded off
here. We'll continue on and wait until he pops back
in. Like I said, well, this is kind
of obvious since we just read it, but
we're obviously, we'll be glad
to mention groups that are having meetings.
Sadly, we didn't do much good
this month.
But we do have an announcement section.
It's kind of smooshed between the main topic
and the shouts in case anyone ever noticed.
If anyone has like a tech-related meeting
or some other
thing that's sort of a geeky get-together,
drop us a line at radio at binrev.com
for a few weeks
beforehand and we'll try to ease you
into the schedule. We'll try to at least give you
shouts. I try to announce
like the monthly 2600 meetings mainly
because they have an official schedule, first Friday
of every month. However,
if you're just starting out or you want a special
shout or something, you know,
like an influx of people, feel
free to drop us a line. Hello, Party.
Hello, Party. I'm sorry about that.
I think I'm the victim of a botched handoff.
Ah, yes. This binrev radio
brought to you by T-Mobile.
So, yes,
we were just talking about... You're dropping my docs, Ratchet.
Sorry. Pardon me.
Well, technically, Sanko,
we always talked about voice pulse and new phones, so...
That's very true.
Anyway.
Moving on to the next email. You missed it. Ha ha.
Oh, no, no.
What was it? I seem to recall
that the date he gave was
like yesterday or something.
Yes, the date he gave was
Saturday or Sunday.
And, like I said, I couldn't really mention him, but
like I said, we'll gladly give
shouts out to people who send in their stuff in
because we have that wonderful announcement sections.
Anyway, we're repeating ourselves.
You missed out because you dropped off.
So, ha ha ha.
And our next...
Well, screw you, Timo.
Our next email is from...
I'm going to just... I think his name is
Didier. D-I-D-I-E-R.
And it's, Hello, Black Ratchet and Strom Carlson.
I like the new show.
About your scheduling issues for DEF CON by phone.
Why didn't you...
Why did you use a local database
that could...
You had to load and update yourself.
Couldn't you connect to the DEF CON schedule
supposing this is available
in a machine-readable format?
And to answer his question,
there is a machine-readable data source
for DEF CON by phone.
And it would be the main DEF CON schedule page.
However, it was in static HTML
on a giant table.
And it was...
I looked at it.
I tried to play with it for a while,
and it was a bear to parse.
I really eventually just decided
to enter it all in by hand
rather than try to figure out
some, you know, insane way
to parse the entire thing.
Because I eventually said, you know,
if I enter it by hand,
I'll probably get it a lot faster
than if I actually had to write
a parser for it.
And plus, you know,
this page was not updated at all
during the convention.
It was, you know,
part of the reason why we actually did
DEF CON by phone in the first place.
We had a static schedule.
We had a static schedule
on the web page.
We had a static schedule
on the paper programs that we got.
And they just weren't cutting the mustard.
So that's why we invented...
That's why we just created DEF CON by phone
if you were paying attention
to our presentation.
I know they have another source
that runs on RSS feeds.
And, like, they have
closed-circuit TV announcements,
this wonderful thing up in the main room
that shows you the schedule.
And I'm sure that's a lot easier
to interpret.
And hopefully we might get access
to it next year
because we're going to try
to plan a little more
and hopefully get on
the planning committee.
Yes.
Oh, dear.
I'm running out of gasoline.
No, we're going to get to hear
Strom fill up his engine.
That's wonderful.
Basically, but, you know,
we decided because it was
very much hurriedly implemented
and we really didn't inform about it
until about a month or two
before the convention.
And so we decided to, you know,
suck it up into our own system this year.
And next year, we hope it's different.
We're going to try to hope
it might get into the planning committee
and we may ask them to allow us
to develop some kind of
integrating scheduling system
so that, you know,
their internal tracking system,
the web page, the RSS feeds,
closed-circuit TV,
and most importantly,
DEF CON by phone,
and they all sort of run off
the same database
and everything is updated.
So you adjust the appointment for,
you know,
you adjust the time
for one of the talks
and everything gets updated at once.
It's close to instantaneous.
Also, next year,
I'd like to...
It also brings to mind
a new concept,
CPO,
Central Point of Ownage.
Yes, well, okay.
We won't get into that
and we won't try to point that out
to people,
but I'm sure the evil people
are already thinking about it
and now the non-evil people aren't.
Thanks, Strom.
Oh, any time, Ratchet.
It's my pleasure.
Yes, this is what we refer to
in the industry
as a single point of failure.
The database goes down
and the entire schedule
gets mucked about.
Also, I was thinking,
and hopefully next year,
we're going to also have
Hope by Phone.
You know, two conventions,
two coasts,
two databases,
two numbers,
two penguins,
two servers.
One Strom's jaw on the floor.
Yes, and hours upon hours
upon hours of recordings
of Strom's voice.
Yes.
Speaking of which,
I discovered,
remember the DEF CON
by Phone outtakes disc
that I had talked so much about
and then said I thought
I forgot to bring?
Yes.
Well, it turns out
they were just in the back
of my car.
They were in your car.
I am completely shocked.
For those of you
who don't know,
every time I talk to Strom,
essentially what it is is,
oh, where's X?
Oh, it's in my car.
And I always picture this car
to be like this red VW minibus
that was full of shovels
and rakes in influence
of destruction.
but no,
it's this little,
you know,
Honda coupe.
It's a sedan,
thank you very much.
Oh, it's a sedan?
Oh, sorry.
I don't,
I really don't know
what the difference
between a coupe
and a sedan is.
I think maybe a coupe...
A coupe is a two-door car,
a sedan is a four-door car.
Oh, let's see.
I'm not leet with the cars.
Okay, finally we're going
to wrap up with some culture
from Excalibur.
We have, you know,
I think this might be a first
on BinRev Radio.
At least it's a first for us.
I was streaming today.
I heard your segment
about the nine-year-old
certified Microsoft girl
who wrote Bill Gates a poem.
I thought since you became jealous,
not that you have any right
to be jealous of a man
who became one of the most
richest men ever
and because of computers,
not to mention
he was the most famous
geek ever to live,
I should write you a poem.
To get a poem written for us?
Oh my gosh,
I'm so excited I'm tingling.
Oh really, you too?
Oh, okay.
Well, hopefully I'm going
to do it justice.
A poem for thou
whom hang with a cow
and hears of a girl,
the genius Pakistani pearl
who wrote a poem
for Bill Gates.
No poem for thou
whom hang out on BinRev,
sad you may be,
so a poem written by me
shall appear
in your inbox cakes.
And this is a poem
by Excalibur.
And I'd just like to say,
I hopefully,
actually I'll flip people
on speakerphone
so I can hear it clapping.
Yes, that was very nice.
That was me clapping
while driving
at 65 miles an hour
over an interchange.
Oh, goodness.
BinRev Radio.
Whisting my life.
Congratulate the author.
Yes, Excalibur.
We just like to send
mad shouts out to Excalibur.
I'd like to say
that we both enjoyed that.
I find the metaphysical imagery
that was quite enjoyable.
Quite frankly,
I'm touched.
I really am.
Oh yes,
and interesting rhythmic devices too.
It seemed to counterpoint
the surrealism
and the underlying metaphor.
Which,
no,
it was good.
It was good.
No,
but I do have a question.
I mean,
if the poem is for me,
why is Strom a cow?
Because apparently
one of us is hanging
with a cow.
Or,
the other question is,
where am I the cow?
What does it mean?
Well,
I did,
I did just drive through,
I think it was Kalinga
or something,
and the place,
I stopped to get out,
to get like a snack
or something,
and the place literally
smells like cow dung
all the time.
Ew.
Are these these
happy California cows
that I constantly see
PSAs for on TV?
Yes,
these are the happy cows
that come from California.
Although,
I don't know if those are
dairy cows,
or if those are cows
for beef production.
But,
here's the million dollar question,
and if we do have listeners
in Kalinga,
or some equivalent town
in the Central Valley
of California,
where to a Los Angelino
like myself,
it smells like cow dung,
do you,
living in Kalinga
or wherever,
get used to the smell
and actually not smell it
after a certain period
of time?
Oh,
I'm sure they do.
I mean,
it's the same way
as you can't smell
your own poop
when you go to the bathroom.
I can smell my own poop
when I go to the bathroom.
I can certainly smell
my own poop
when I go to the bathroom.
I don't know
if I have you,
Ratchet,
but I certainly can.
I guess you're,
I mean,
there was a giant discussion
once when me and my friends
and I got completely
bombed out of our skulls
during a,
an occasion of drinking,
and we all had the discussion
that none of us
could smell our own poop
when we went to the bathroom,
but I guess Strom's
the exception.
So,
G.I. Joe,
how about you?
Can you smell your own poop?
I don't think so.
Yeah,
I think,
I think Strom is the exception.
Yeah,
I,
I always assumed
it was rather,
you know,
difficult.
I mean,
you know,
when,
when you're sitting there,
you don't smell it.
I mean,
if you walk out
and you come back in,
you smell it,
but.
Okay,
we're,
we're going to go in.
We're,
we're just going to,
we're going to move on here
because this,
this can go nowhere well.
We have gone too far.
No,
we haven't gone too far,
but at the same point,
it's just something
where I don't want to go.
Wow,
there are two entirely
separate mobile stations,
and each of them
have the exact same price
for regular unleaded gasoline.
Well,
that makes sense.
Are they on the separate
sides of the freeway
or are you on the freeway
anymore?
No,
they're on the freeway.
I just got off the freeway.
They are on separate sides
of the,
um,
little access road here.
Uh,
where,
where exactly are you
right now?
Can we have a location update?
Uh,
I don't know the name
of the town I'm in.
I am,
just,
I'm,
I'm just north of
the grapevine
on interstate five.
Did you hear it
on the grapevine?
Uh,
zooming via satellite?
No,
I don't know.
Well,
look at your receipt
after you pump your gas
and we can get a location
update then.
Because right now,
we're going to,
I guess,
I guess we can move
on to show and tell.
So,
We're also going to
risk life on them again
by actually,
um,
filling up with gasoline
while talking
on a mobile phone.
Wow.
Which apparently
you're not supposed to do.
No,
you're not.
It's because it,
it could spark.
Ooh.
See,
this is the effort
that Strom takes
to bring everyone
in Rev Radio.
It's,
it's a touching display
of humanity.
Yes.
So,
okay.
The car will begin fueling.
Anyway,
let's,
let's go into show and tell.
Do you want to start Strom?
Because you,
you had the busy week.
I,
I didn't do anything.
Uh,
my busy week was,
I hung out with Mr.
Mark Spencer of,
uh,
Asterisk Fame.
Yeah,
no,
not Debit.
Okay.
And so,
I,
I know you went to,
I know you went to some conference.
What conference exactly
did you go to?
It was a VoIP developer conference
in South San Francisco
in which I,
uh,
I helped Digium do exhibiting
and I helped Digium
do a little bit of setup
for Linux World San Francisco.
However,
I am actually
going to be
out of town
next week
and so,
I'm driving up to
Las Vegas
on Wednesday
and since I figured
that,
um,
okay,
no,
I'm actually telling
I can speak
I figured
that since
I was going
to be driving
on Wednesday
I didn't want to drive
from San Francisco
to Los Angeles
on one day
and then drive
all the way
to Las Vegas
on the next day
so,
I left early.
Can you not drive
from San Francisco
to Las Vegas?
Well,
you can,
yes,
but I have to
repack my clothes
and everything.
Ah,
true,
true.
G.I. Joe,
did you do
anything interesting
for your show
Intel?
Um,
I have nothing
interesting.
Nothing interesting?
No,
I just,
it sounds
big like
old fish here.
Just working,
you know.
No.
Yeah,
essentially
it was the same.
I mean,
I went to my
2600 meeting
on Friday
and,
uh,
and other than that
my week was
rather unplugged.
I hardly hung
around the forums.
I made,
like a few
postings here
and there
but nothing in.
I went on a few
day trips
and I finally,
my big accomplishment
this week,
I finally sat down
and I read
Harry Potter.
That,
that was my big
thing.
And I'm sure
people are cringing
in the audience
right now
as I finally
admitted that.
And,
uh,
I,
I haven't read
the books yet
so that's one
of the things
I intend to do.
All right.
Have you read
any of the books?
I've read none
of the books yet.
Oh,
shame on you.
Shame on you.
For shame,
for shame on you.
For reference,
for reference,
I have just
filled my car up
with 10.776 gallons
of regular
unleaded gasoline
which costs
$29.95.
Holy crap.
How much does it
cost per gallon
out there?
Uh,
regular unleaded
gasoline right here
is $2.77
per gallon.
Yikes.
I thought,
I thought I was
bad with $238.
You lucky
bastard.
Yeah,
I guess I am.
Didn't Blake
Ops say at
DEFCON that
was like,
you know,
$1.80?
Yeah.
Yeah,
Blake Ops said
at DEFCON
in like Minnesota
it's $1.80
something.
Hmm.
It did very
a lot.
I am at
the receipts
kind of all
screwed up
so I can
really read it.
It says,
I think it
says
Lebec,
California.
Wheeler Ridge,
Lebec,
California.
L-E-B-E-C.
Ta-da!
That's where
he is right now.
All right.
Well,
so we're
going to have
specific show
topics.
Let's see.
we're going
to go into
a very
interesting
topic this
week.
I really
don't want
to say it
but it's
kind of
how to
become a
hacker.
I mean,
I really
don't want
to give
it that
topic but
I guess,
you know,
if it
talks like
a duck,
for lack
of something
much anything
better.
I really
thought about
this one.
I like
to give a
forewarning.
This is
really going
to be very
basic stuff.
You know,
for those
of you
might complain
that this
isn't techy
enough,
just remember
you all
had to
start
somewhere.
I did
too,
Strom did,
G.I.
Joe,
heck,
even Stank
had to
start
someplace.
So for
someone just
starting out
and possibly
just stumbled
across this
podcast,
this is
for you.
And as
we always
said,
you can't
please all
the people
all the
time.
Actually,
it's very
interesting with
Sean's email
in the
beginning.
Oh,
well.
Hi,
Sean,
this is for
you.
Yes.
Hello,
Sean.
Welcome to
your episode,
your very own
personalized episode
of Binary Revolution
Radio.
I wouldn't go
that far
because I was
probably pissing
him off
because it was
not techy
enough.
But Sean,
you know,
like I said,
we all had to
start someplace.
Feel free to
skip for the
next,
you know,
45 minutes
or so.
I'll do a
simulation of
what that
should sound
like.
Or you
can just
sound like a
really bad
cell
connection.
So,
I guess
one of the
most common
questions that
new people
ask is,
how do I
learn to
hack?
Or how
do I
become a
hacker?
And technically
my usual
response for
this is,
you know,
grow your
hair out
and stop
showering.
And of
course,
I know a
lot of
people who
don't do
that and
there are
some very
well-kempt
hackers out
there,
but we
won't get
into that.
And plus,
you know,
too many
people do
that already,
so don't
push the
stereotype.
Yes.
So,
you know,
first off,
what is
hacking?
It's kind
of hard to
explain.
Interstate
5 South is
not hacking.
Yes,
it is.
That's what
hacking is.
That's what
the sign
told me.
The sign
said
Interstate
5.
We'll move
on.
Don't
excuse my
nonsense.
I think
the highway
is starting
to make
me go
mildly
delirious
and insane.
Yes,
that happens
to me all
the time.
Well,
okay,
let's start
off first.
What isn't
hacking?
Hacking is
not breaking
into computer
systems.
Hacking is
not owning
people.
Hacking is
not defacing
websites.
Hacking is
not any of
that nonsense.
Hacking is
for the
most part.
Figuring
out how
things
ticks,
taking
stuff
apart,
putting
it back
together,
and I
guess generally
a pure
love of
all things
technological,
I guess you
could say
it is.
Oh,
I sounded
like Strom
there.
more.
Yes.
And,
you know,
you do.
Yes.
Plus,
you know,
something that
I always like
to say,
hacking is
not an
end to a
means.
Hacking
is a
means to
an end.
You know,
someone does
not become a
hacker for
a reason.
Some people
become a
hacker on
the way to
doing something
else.
I guess you
kind of say
it's, you
know,
hacking is
very
unlike.
People have
a reason for
hacking.
You don't
actually set
out to
become a
hacker.
You set
out to do
something else
and on
your way
you become
a hacker
doing it.
Actually,
first off,
let me do
my disclaimer
here.
The word
hacker,
I never
try to use
it as
when describing
myself.
Someone says,
oh,
he's a
hacker.
Oh,
I'm a
hacker.
I never
try to say
to myself,
oh,
I'm a
hacker.
No,
I'm someone
who likes
computers and
some people
say,
oh,
he's a
hacker.
I look
at that
as something
that it's
a compliment
to give
somebody but
it's not
really something
to use on
yourself unless
you're really
egotistical,
at which point
I really
don't want
to talk
to you.
Of course,
thank dog
calls himself
a hacker
all the
time,
so there
are some
exceptions
to the
rules.
Doesn't
your business
card say
freelance
hacker?
Yeah,
but that's
a joke.
My business
card says
phone freak,
but that's
in all
seriousness.
Well,
yeah,
I say
freelance
hacker and
phone freak,
but at the
same point,
for anyone
who ever
read the
book
Snow Crash,
which if
you haven't,
you really
should,
the hero's
business
card says
freelance
hacker.
So,
sorry,
it says
last of
the
freelance
hackers.
Anyway,
getting back
on topic,
there's no
real one
way to
become a
hacker,
like I
just said.
Hacking
is so
multifaceted,
there's like
15 ways you
can do it,
and there
really are a
million ways
you can get
there.
You know,
hackers,
you know,
hacking is
just,
there's no
real way to
describe it.
It includes
hardware,
it includes
software,
computer
security,
computer
support,
system
setup,
system
breakdown,
a million
things.
People can't
say,
you know,
to become a
hacker,
you need to
do X,
Y,
and Z.
You can't
say that,
because a
person who
is very
talented like
hardware,
I think the
person who
really always
pops to mind
when I think
of a hardware
hacker is
Acidus.
He's gone a
complete different
path than the
way I have,
and he's
gotten very
talented in
hardware,
and I
really don't
have a first
clue about an
analog digital
controller if it
smacked me in
the face.
And at the
same time,
I'm sure
there's points,
you know,
Acidus might not
know stuff about
the phone system.
I've never met
him, so I
don't know,
but I like to
think that I
know stuff about
it.
But, you
know,
there's no
real way to
say, you
know, here's
how to become
a hacker,
but I'm
willing to
try to go
over things
that, you
know, usually
start people
down the
way of,
you know,
technological
yumminess.
I guess the
first thing we
should say
right now is,
you know,
wipe Windows
off your
computer and
install Linux.
Can I get
an amen?
Amen!
I don't
mind Windows
so much.
I don't
mind Windows
either.
It does
what I need.
if you
maintain it,
it's not
really a
security
problem.
And also,
I know
very talented
people who
use Windows
and I'm
going to
include
G.I.
Joe in
one of
them.
I will
admit, I
use Windows.
One of
my friends
who I
respect very
much at
my 2600
meeting is
in fact a
Visual Basic
programmer.
But no
hate there.
So Windows
in and of
itself is not
evil.
But the
cool thing
about Linux
is, as far
as I'm
concerned, at
least when
you're learning,
you know, it
allows you to
get down into
the nitty-gritty
of how things
really work.
You know,
Windows, you
click a button
and it works.
And that's
fine for a
lot of
things.
But, you
know, if you
don't know,
yeah, mom and
dad, for
example, who
wouldn't know
what to type
at a bash
prompt even
if you told
them.
But that's
actually not
true.
I did at
one point
walk my
mother through
repartitioning a
disk with a
Linux boot
disk over the
telephone.
And didn't
you talk to
your dad on
how to
reconfigure
Samba one
evening?
Yeah, yeah,
we talked to
my father
through
reconfiguring
Samba.
So, parents,
even not the
most technical
parents, can
actually be
talked through
Linux if you
just tell them
what to do.
But, I
mean, you
know, at
least the way
I see it,
it's all fine
and dandy to
have a button
that you press
to do things
for you, but
if you don't
understand what's
going on when
you press that
button, then,
you know, you're
definitely losing
something.
You really have
to understand the
underlying system
in order to
embrace it and
love it.
Again, it's that
whole taking
stuff apart and
putting it back
together again.
Also, you
know, it's not
just saying that
Linux is a
bash prompt and
is only, you
know, an 80 by
25 console.
There are very
nice graphical
user environments
for it, and,
you know, if
you're not
afraid, you
know, if
you're a
little bit
worried, you
know, keep
Windows,
repartition the
hard drive.
I'm going to
send out
something here.
It's
something called
automated download
and installation
of operating
system.
It's a live
CD.
It's for
repartitioning
your drive,
and, you
know, it
allows you to
Adios.
Yeah, Adios.
Yes, exactly.
That's the
cute acronym.
Oh, and it's
the coolest
program, too.
I'm going to
send a link
out here before
I forget.
That's
tinyurl.com
slash
83
Victor
Papa
Frank.
I actually
went into
old school
FedEx there,
but anyway,
it gets the
point across.
What it
does, it
allows you to
repartition your
hard drive, so
if you want to
keep Windows on
there, that's
fine, no
problem.
Some people
like Windows,
like G.I. Joe.
I like Windows,
too.
I'd like to
admit that I
am a visual
based programmer
at work,
among other
things.
And, you
know, it
allows you to
keep your
Windows
partition on
there and
install Linux.
And there
are graphical
user environments
for Linux.
It's pointing
click.
Two of the
distributions that
seem to be all
the race these
days, one of
them is called
Ubuntu, that's
U-B-U-N-T-U,
and that's
UbuntuLinux.org.
And what that
is...
I think the
pronunciation of
that one is
Ubuntu.
Ubuntu?
Ubuntu, I
think.
I always heard
it called
Ubuntu.
I mean, but I
don't know.
I've heard it
like two or
three people.
Yeah, as far...
I saw a sign
just to...
I saw a sign
just now that
said Fort
Tejon, exit
one mile, but
I wasn't paying
attention.
I thought it
said Fort
Tron, exit
one mile.
Anyway.
He's got your
docs now.
He sees the
license plate.
Ubuntu, I
think, is the
anglicized,
Americanized
pronunciation of
Ubuntu, but I
could be totally
butchering it as
well, so...
I don't know.
Technically, I don't
think...
I wonder if
they have the
pronunciation
somewhere on
their site.
That's your
homework this
week, folks.
Find out how
to pronounce
Ubuntu and
send a sound
clip doing it.
Maybe if we
get enough, we'll
assemble them
together into
some sort of
really interesting
audio presentation.
We'll go load
it up into a
synthesizer and
make everyone
sing Ubuntu.
Yeah.
And for
those of you
who like
Payne, there's
another distribution
out there called
Gentoo, and
that, I
believe, is
GentooLinux.org.
I could be
wrong.
Like I said,
that was in my
old show notes.
I don't have
that on my
new show notes
right now.
And what
that means is
that's a more...
It went in
doubt Google.
Just Google
Gentoo Linux.
It's your first
link right there.
I think if you
Google Gentoo,
it'll come up as
the first link.
G-D-E-N-T-O-O.
Again, G-E-N-T-O-O.
G-E-N-T-O-O.
And what that
is is it's a...
Basically, it's a
more hardcore
distribution, I
guess you could
call it.
What it is is
essentially it
compiles everything
on your system,
allegedly giving
you a performance
increase.
I've never played
with it.
I don't know,
but I'm sure
that it's a
little more
complicated to
set up than
Ubuntu.
For those of you
who are starting
with Ubuntu,
or however you
pronounce it,
I don't know.
It's essentially
you pop it in
your CD-ROM,
you boot up
your computer,
and it's four or
five clicks,
and you're
installed.
It's amazingly
easy.
I use it on my
laptop mainly
because Debian,
what I used to
use, had some
problems with it
when I wanted to
install it and
did not fully
support my
laptop because it
was last new.
Ubuntu picked it
up fine, and it
was just amazingly
easy to install.
I was literally
in shock.
And I really have
no complaints about
it.
I have some
small complaints,
but nothing,
just more minor
annoyances for
myself because I
used to come from
a Slackware
environment, which
is another
distribution you
can try, but
I'm really starting
to fade away from
my Slackware
zealotry.
So, let's get
into why Linux
is better than
Windows.
First of all,
Linux is free!
Can I hear a
free song?
F-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E!
Free!
Wow.
You sound like one
of those old air
sirens you have on
fire trucks.
You really did.
It was amazing.
Well, CSM does wonders to free.
Yes. Did I say that correctly? I think I did.
I think it's a jiggly pokery or something.
Yeah, jiggly pokery.
Whatever enough. You can get Linux working on anything.
And the fun part about Linux is that when you can install it, you don't have to worry about piracy.
You can just install it everywhere.
You know, two or three blocks setting up.
You've got that old P100 that your mom threw out and put it down in the basement,
but she put it down in the basement and didn't want to throw out.
You can install Linux on it.
You can pass it in the corner, toss a network card in it, and you can do that.
And one of the first things I did when I got my Linux box is I had my desktop,
and I set up a Linux box that I could beat up against.
And one of the first things I really started doing it is I wanted to be the lead script kitty,
and I started just tacking away on it.
Like, I set it up in a default configuration and see how many times I could break into it.
And for those of you who want to try to start getting into that,
this is the best way to do it because it's completely legal.
You are running the box.
It's on your own little private network if you have one,
and you can just bash it until the cows come home
and not worry about the feds coming in at 2 a.m. to say, you know,
hi, surprise.
Or alternatively, you can bash it until the feds come home.
Well, no, because the feds won't come because you are a box.
That's the best part.
No, no, no, no, no.
Until the feds go to their own home.
They leave the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
and then they go to their own apartments in wherever, in Virginia, whatever.
Very, very true, very true.
So, Inezus Strom, totally, totally bashing the cliché.
And, you know, it was really cool.
What I did is I went to a site.
I'm going to shine a shout-out to it.
It's called PacketStormSecurity, and it's PacketStormSecurity.org.
All one word.
Los Angeles County line, yay.
And we're going into Los Angeles now.
So, how far away is, how much longer do you have, just out of curiosity?
I think I'm roughly 80 miles or 70 miles outside of Los Angeles.
I just hit the county line.
Holy crap.
Los Angeles County is huge.
Yes, it's very big.
Yeah.
Anyway, PacketStormSecurity is a great site for those of you who want to get interested in security.
What it is, is basically they have all kinds, it's a bit of a security blog, and they have all kinds of, you know, pre-made exploits.
Basically, they just troll the mailing list, such as full disclosure and bug track.
We'll get into those later.
And what they do is, they just grab all the exploits that come by, or any new tools that come out, and just mirror it.
And it's all there, it, you know, it's all there at your fingertips.
You can go and say, like, you know, show me, you know, I said, you know, again, and I've probably said it like 15 times.
Go in, you know, show me exploits that, you know, for Linux from, you know, 2.4 kernel running Apache, and they have everything subdivided.
It's simply amazing.
I don't know who runs it, but they do just an amazing job.
I actually fell out with it for a while, and I've really just started getting back into it, and I completely forgot about it.
I just completely forgot how amazingly cool it is.
And there's a fun way to do it.
Also, there's, like, the other thing, the coolest thing about Linux is that if you want to get into programming, there's free compilers for everything.
There's free integrated development environments so that you can have everything nice in a nice, you know, graphical user environment, like they were talking about earlier, because Linux has one of those.
Or you can just, you know, sit on a console and bang out stuff, and it looks like Strom fell off.
It looks like L.A. County doesn't have the best cell phone reception.
Are you there, G.I. Joe?
Yeah, I'm not sure if I have the Linux expertise.
Oh, there's also free stuff for Windows, too.
I mean, have you ever played with, oh, goodness, I'm drawing a blank on the name.
There's also free IDEs out there for Windows.
It doesn't necessarily need to be Linux.
I'm just the Linux evangelist.
I enjoy Linux.
I play with it all the time, and I try to use it.
I'm really just really trying to move my work over to it, despite the kicking and screaming of my IT department, who don't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.
Right, yeah.
I don't really, I don't have anything against Linux.
I really haven't used it all too much.
It's, I, I really haven't had the opportunity to use it and haven't had an, a box, an extra box to use it on necessarily for the, for, you know, the time I've been using computers.
So, I mean, it is something, it's not, I, I'm not anti-Linux or anything.
I just haven't had a chance to, like, to look into it too much.
Yeah, and, and for that, I mean, G.I. Joe brought up a very excellent point.
For people who don't have extra boxes kicking around, and something I really should have looked into are, uh, free shell accounts.
There, there's stuff out there.
I believe one of them is called, uh, silenceisdefeat.org.
I really should have set 10 URL that.
I, I believe, actually, Sean is from there, if I'm not mistaken, our, our email there earlier.
Let me go pull that one up.
I didn't, I didn't, I don't think I copied the signature over.
But, um, there's free shell accounts out there.
There's Linux.
There's, um, what it is, there's, there's Linux.
There's, I think there might be Unix stuff out there too.
It's, it's just really cool.
Yes, that's silenceisdefeat.org.
And that, that's free Unix shell accounts.
And, you know, if even...
Oh my gosh!
This will go down in binary revolution history.
Black Ratchet has just said org instead of orge.
Yes, yes, I'm trying to go away from that because apparently I caught some flack at that for DEF CON.
All you silly people who can't interpret alternate spellings or sayings or everything.
Sure, sure, make your, make your, make your pronunciation, thank you.
Yes, it's almost midnight here on the East Coast and boy am I tired.
Uh, and you just, there's like free shell accounts out there and this is really just starting to turn into a giant rant, isn't it?
Oh well, just bear with us.
The other thing you want to do if you want to be, you know, getting back into the hacking thing, you know, get involved with the community.
Uh, the really thing that brought me into the community right now was, uh, forums.binrev.com.
It's a, it's the Binrev forum site.
It's a really good, I, I, I constantly sing its praises.
I probably sound like a really big old lackey.
But, uh, it's just a really friendly forum site.
I mean, I hang out there.
I, I, and for the longest time I, I started there around, I guess I could say April or May.
I started lurking there last year.
And I figured, you know, I, I'd sign up for her account.
I'd probably last for at least, at most a month.
And, because, like, these things don't really, uh, keep my fancy too long.
And here it is a year later, over a year later, and like 1,050 posts for me.
And I'm still there.
It's just a really friendly site.
And I've met a lot of fun people out there, you know, such as Strom Carlson and G.I. Joe.
Take a bow.
Uh, hey.
I'm, I'm bowing as best I can, given the circumstances.
Yeah, true.
Don't bow, Strom.
Just, yeah, we'll, we'll just do a virtual bow for you.
And.
If I bow, like, if I bow hard enough, I'll hit my head to the horn, you know, like.
There we go.
It's as, as Strom goes careening off the road on I-5.
Ah!
And, I, I, I gotta say, there's also another.
Oh, oh, oh.
And from there, I mean, forum.com.com.
I, I, I met, I met Stank.
I met the entire DDP.
I met a lot of, I met a lot of great people.
Very, too many to even talk about.
Oh, yeah.
And what it is.
Lots of really great people on the forum.
Yes.
And from there, I got, uh, Stank finally convinced me to go to my local 2600 meeting.
And I've met, you know, tons of more people there.
I've met, you know, the kid, uh, Proctology Stay, um, uh, Buck Rogers, just a ton of good
people over there.
And if I didn't actually start hanging out on the forums, I would have never even considered
going to my 2600 meeting because I, I had a bad experience there about five years ago.
It was very, how shall we say, elitist.
And I won't go on to a rant, but it's, it's improved, but not too much.
Getting on to it.
Uh, you know, you know, what it is, is if you get involved in the community, just, if you
start talking to people, you'll look, pick up tons of stuff.
You pick up tons of stuff at this meeting.
I, my meeting this week, uh, someone brought a, uh, program from Black Hat 2005, and we
actually all looked up the part where they turned, where they tore out Michael Lynn's,
uh, presentation.
And I, I actually have photos of it.
It's pretty funny.
It goes from, like, 799 to, uh, 826.
And there's a nice little 16th of an inch section missing.
For those who don't know, there was a major problem with Black Hat 2005, and someone did a
presentation that Cisco did not like, and feds were involved, and lawsuits, and all kinds
of crazy stuff.
But, I mean, Strom, you've got wonderful people.
Google for Google Gates.
Yeah, Cisco Gates.
That's exactly what it is.
Just Google for that.
Uh, I mean, Strom, you, you, you run, uh, another group you want to get involved with is, if you're
in your area, is your DEFCON group.
Boston doesn't have one, but, uh, Strom is actually involved with, uh, DC213, which is in
Los Angeles.
Oh, and Strom apparently didn't want to talk about DC213.
Thank you.
Uh, Strom's involved with, uh, DC213 in Los Angeles, and that's another group.
What they do is they basically, they're a lot like 2600, except they're, I won't say a
bit more formal, but they're a bit more organized.
Every month they have a talk on it, and I'd really like to get something started in Boston.
I just don't have free time because I've been too busy with DEFCON, and now I have this.
And it's just, it really goes on with a lot of stuff, and I'm having trouble articulating
my words, pardon me.
It's just great to actually sit down, you know, meet a bunch of people that, uh, just
share the same interest with you, and you can just sit there, and you can actually talk
about, you know, we can actually, we have a nice little discussion on Michael Lynn's
talk, and, you know, basically we all complained about how Cisco was a bunch of assholes.
And it was just great, because, you know, you can't talk to your friends about that at
school or at work if you don't talk with, work with a bunch of techs.
I mean, I can't go up to, you know, my boss at work who has no interest in technology and
say, hey, did you catch that Michael Lynn Cisco date thing?
And she'll just look at me and say, what?
T-Mobile is irritating me right now.
Anyway, to get back to, not to cut in or anything, but I went to my local 2600 meeting,
uh, and I'm, I've met a bunch of really great people there.
It's, uh, a lot, my, pretty much my closest friends are from that meeting these days.
And, uh, really awesome bunch of people.
And I was, I was discussing how you were in charge of DC213.
Oh, yes, yes, I've, I'm now in charge of, uh, DC213, which is the Los Angeles chapter
of the Descon group.
So, if you are in Los Angeles, please come to LA2600 and DC213, that's DC213.org, org, and,
uh, LA2600.org, for directions and times and whatnot.
Hold on, let me go shut up.
And, yeah.
However, um, I, I, I just want to put as a disclaimer that although LA2600 is a great, great bunch of
people out here, Boston as well, your local 2600 group, yeah, it, it, it may be a mixed
bag.
People are different from place to place.
I just came back from San Francisco and I decided, you know, hey, I'm there on the first
Friday of the month.
I might as well see what the SF2600 meeting is like.
And it was definitely a different crowd of people.
I'm not sure if it's just because I wasn't used to the, uh, to the, to the way they behave
or whatnot, but it certainly seemed to be a slightly more bizarre group of people compared
to Los Angeles, but, um, certainly not in the lower in quality.
Now, speaking of which, the Boston 2600 website has completely changed and I completely missed
that.
Wow.
I should actually talk to, uh, them about that.
Anyway, um, boston2600.org, that's, uh, Boston 2600 site.
And, you know, exactly what Strom said, um, Blake Ops, who's our friend from Minnesota, you
need to have him on the show sometime.
Um, what he, he went to, uh, Minnesota 2600 and basically they don't exist.
He went to the meeting place and it is gone.
And, you know, if, if it comes down to, if there's none in your area, like for example,
you, you do live quite outside of, uh, a major metropolitan city, you know, spread around,
go around, try to set one up yourself, you know, talk about 26, talk about on 2600, um,
email yourself, uh, I believe it's on the back of the 2600 magazine, which I haven't actually
picked up yet.
That's the summer, summer issue is out just so everyone knows.
Uh, just, you know, set up something in your town or set up something in the closest major
city you can get to and see if people will show up.
Uh, I mean, you might have to go out and plaster some, you know, coffee shops or something,
say like, you know, like technology, let's discuss it, 2600 group and East Bumfuck or something.
And, you know, just set up there, do it yourself.
I mean, take some initiative.
You don't need to be dependent on everyone else.
Uh, apparently, uh, apparently Boston 2600's website has been sort of April Fooled or something
because they now have, uh, Boston 2600 Heavy Industries, which has been acquired by Symantec
as of 7205.
Ah, charming.
Yes.
And, I mean, you know, the best, like I said, the best thing about, uh, the meetings, and there's
a mosquito in my room and I'm going to try to kill it, um, the best thing about the, the FaceTime
and, ha ha, I got it, I'm like Mr. Miyake, uh, the best thing about, you know, the meetings
is that, you know, like I said, you can talk about it because you, you, you normally don't
meet each other every day and you don't meet a bunch of techs usually, you know, you know,
a lot of you are in school, I'm sure you don't have a lot of techie friends, or you
may have a handful who are in computers, but it's just, you know, 10, 20 people, sometimes
more, sometimes less, depending on where you are, and everyone who just usually has very
similar interests to yourself, radio, computers, certain people have telephones, I'm part of
a very small freak minority in Boston 2600, but it's just, you know, sit there, you can
just, just shoot the breeze and enjoy people, enjoy people's company who you like, and I've
met a lot of good people there, and I've only been there going there for like two or three
months, and I've had more than a group of friends, I hang out on the IRC channel all
the time, and it's, it's great. Are you active in 2020? Here's an entry, as an aside, here's
an entry for the Idiots of Interstate 5 log, this minivan in front of me is in the leftmost
lane, and it has just left turn signal on, and I'm receiving a call, I'll be back shortly.
Boy, this, this, this is wonderful. Ooh, apparently we were just received a call too, or something.
Anyway, are you active in your 2600 group there, G.I. Joe?
Uh, well, I am also in Minnesota, so there is no 2600 group.
See, you and Blake Ops should get together and establish your own 2600 groups.
Yes, I have, for some reason, I have not gotten together as Blake Ops yet.
But, it's, I've known him, he's been around for a while, but it just doesn't happen yet.
It will start something soon.
Yeah, he's been around since about the same time I did. I mean, he was one of the first
people I really ran into on the forums and befriended. And, I mean, this is what it is.
I mean, you meet people, I mean, all these people that are going around that, you know,
you live in your area and you don't know they exist. And, I mean, you go to your 2600 meeting
and you meet them. That's, that's the best part. So, this is just turning into a long-winded
rant on Linux and 2600 groups. And, and that, that's what it is. It's just, it's a great
time, it's a great place to meet people and just generally talk tech.
So, moving on the notes here. The other thing that you really want to, I mean, to become,
to become a hacker, what you really need to do is you need to keep the rip your computer
apart at least once and figure out what all little bits are. There's tons of tutorials
online. And, just figure out what everything is. And, I think a really good place for this
is Wikipedia. Is there any other things you can pop to mind, G.I. Joe?
Well, I know when I was, when I was, knew a lot to flexible computers and I wanted more RAM
or I wanted a bigger hard drive in my computer. Like, computer magazines would help a lot.
It's like a, I remember I used to get a magazine called Smart Computing. And, that, I don't,
I'm not sure if it's still around. I think it is. It's called Smart Computing or something.
And, it will go through step-by-step and it will explain with pictures and explanations
on how you change the RAM, how the RAM works. And, I mean, even, I mean, really anyone can do
that, even if you're just a 12-year-old sitting with a family computer.
Yeah. Computer CDs are just incredibly easy to use. Yeah. Computer CDs are just really incredibly
easy to use. I mean, compared to what I started out with. I mean, you know, the wonderful thing
about SIMs is that you had to add them two at once and BIMs you had to only add one at once.
Yep. You won't slice off your hand when you open up your case anymore, which is, which was actually
always kind of fun in my idea. It was kind of like, you know, diffusing a bomb of some sort.
Yeah, because we all know that, you know, contact on memory chips and whatnot are always made more
effective by the addition of a little bit of blood. Well, computers run faster with blood, that was
the thing. And, I completely did not hear you pop on for that one. I guess my phone cut out for a second.
Hmm. Yeah, no, I've dropped it off. That's what the overclockers' secret are. I mean, all
these people who actually want to do water cooling are just, you know, great vampires who
want to cool their stuff with blood. They're parking up the wrong street. 55 zone ahead, 45 zone
ahead will be enforced. What the hell? Will Straum make it to Los Angeles on time? Tune in on
our next episode of Binary Revolution Radio.
Down, down, down. Or something.
Yes. Actually, I was thinking more of general organ music. That's what it is. Just, you need
to rip your computer apart at least once. I mean, my computer right now is missing a front
bezel because all the crap I have piled into it will not allow the computer to close anymore.
I bought a, interesting story, just a little sidetrack. The way I bought my computer was
I had a friend who was currently working, who, not currently, who at the time was working
at CompUSA back in June of 2000 for a summer job. And, apparently, some electrician moron
decided to accidentally wire up the, one of the display cases that this computer was sitting
on that I own up to a 220 volt circuit. So, it ate about 220 volts for a minute or so, a
couple of minutes or so, and completely fried the power supply. So, my friend called up and
said, hey, Ratchet. Of course, he didn't say that. He said my real name. I have a computer
in here, and it's currently in, according to my manager, it's broken. He won't listen
to me because I know what's wrong with it, but it's, the power supply is completely fried
on it, and it's just blown out because it would ate 220 volts for a while. It's currently
sitting in our, you know, damaged good case for about half, for about 50% off, which I
think you should, I think you really want to buy. Xenio is in the market for a new computer.
So, I show up. It normally costs about $700. I picked it up for 300 and, actually, I don't
know how much I picked it up for. I picked it up for 50% off, and it was, it was an absolute
steal, and I invested about $100 in our new power supply, and it works like a charm. It's
been working for five years, knock on wood, and it will continue to work and not kill anything.
Is that real wood, or is that particle board?
That, that, this is real, honest-to-goodness wood, nice stained plywood.
Oh, good.
This is, yeah, my computer has been, I have actually had more hardware trouble with computers
than I care to talk about, but my computer has been sitting without, actually, had been
sitting without size on it for months. I moved my desk, then I moved my desk again, and
then I realized that my computer was kind of loud, so I decided to try and find the sides
and see if that made it quieter. And I realized, and 45 speed limit, and I realized that I had
actually had the sides sitting at the location of the computer before the previous move.
And I think, yeah, and so occasionally you'll see my computer sitting there with a hard drive
hanging out the side of it, or, you know, something plugged into it in a bizarre way.
I think right now I've got that video screen I bought from Blake, because he didn't include
the TC power supply, but it did include some cabling backed up where it plugs into your
computer's power supply, the Molex connector. I have that hanging out of the side of the
computer right now.
Hmm. Well, actually, one of my friends for the longest time actually had his computer on
his desk completely naked. Essentially, it was a power supply, a hard drive, and a video
card. And he ran that for the longest time. Plus, another one of my friends, he had an MP3
server, which essentially was the same thing, except no video card that everyone accessed
over the network. And basically, what they did is they exported a X display. This is kind
of technical for people who don't know Linux. They essentially made it so that the Linux version
of Winamp popped up on their own computers, and they controlled it from there. And if you
just looked up in the corner of the room, you saw this motherboard and two speakers and
a power supply in a hard drive. And it was highly amusing.
It would be really cool to do something like that, but mount it on the wall. You know, just have
parts mounted on the wall there.
Ooh, there we go. That would be really neat. And so, and that's really what it is. It's just,
you know, figuring everything out, figuring out how it works, and just mecking about with it.
And, you know, it comes in a lot to, and it works in everyday life. You just diagnose
something and you figure it. Like, for example, I think G.I. Joe has a story about, you know,
this huge fun thing he found with Net Zero.
Yeah, well, yeah, I always think it's fun. I don't know about hacking or whatever, but you
just, you have what you have, and you just, and you can just bang away at it, mess with
it, whatever. Oh, yeah, we were talking, I don't remember how I got thinking about Net Zero.
So, but this is, for those who probably remember, when the internet was free, or I should say
the World Wide Web connection was free, you had Net Zero, you had Juno, and on and on.
And then after the bubble burst, yes, after the bubble burst, of course, you know, they're
starting to go out of business, and you saw more and more, you're getting more and more
ads, and Net Zero always had this big, ugly toolbar. Anyway, so desperate for revenue, they
started this program, where you would have to, you would connect to the internet, but before
you could access anything, it would download a TV commercial, and you would have to watch
that TV commercial. Unfortunately, they so badly programmed this, it would, for some reason,
didn't work on my computer. It would connect to the internet, start to load up the,
the TV, the TV viewer, the commercial viewer, and all you had to do was just stop it from
loading, just end program it, I mean, just terminate the program directly, and you'd have
unrestricted internet access, which necessarily isn't itself, doesn't sound too exciting, but
I mean, for someone like me, who at the time, you had barely any internet access, and it was always
with a huge, you know, 800 by 400 pixel banner, it was just one of the most exciting things I had ever
had. It just always seems, little things like that, is kind of what can make up a hacker lifestyle,
I guess you would say, just messing with what you have, finding the little quirks that you can
use to enjoy, for your own enjoyment.
And that's exactly what it is, I mean, you basically surmised it right up there, and the
other thing I just want to toss out there is, you know, you said it yourself, oh, I don't think
this is a big thing. It is, I mean, if it's a big thing to you, it's definitely a big thing.
Never let anyone put something that you say down, it's, even if it is, like, if someone
comes up to you and says, oh, only noobs do that, I mean, you start someplace, you figure
it out yourself, never let someone take that away from you. It's what it is, and I mean,
I personally find GI Joe's thing really cool and really amusing, and I find Net Zero incredibly
stupid for even thinking that, you know, that could possibly happen. There's about 15 different
ways if you can, you know, code around that, but, you know, just some people are really
stupid and don't do that. And, I mean, technically, we've hardly scratched the surface. This has
just turned into a really long rant, and I tossed out a few websites out there, and I
hope that I enlightened a few people and, you know, at least got them, you know, at least
interested in what this is.
If you're interested also in a little taste of hacker culture, go to the hacker jargon
file and browse through that. That's it. I don't have a tiny URL available for this, but
it's at www.catb, that's C, uh, charliealphatangobravo.org, slash, childy, echo, sierra, what's R?
Uh, Romeo. Romeo. Romeo, echo, sierra, romeo, slash, jargon, and, uh, if you go there, there's
the hacker jargon file, which, uh, contains, among other things, a portrait of a typical
hacker, uh, and, uh, a very, very big lexicon with lots of, uh, examples of how hackers speak.
And if you read through that, you'll, you'll pick up a lot of the, uh, a lot of the culture
and a lot of the mentality of a good hacker. Not a pathetic one, but a good one.
Yes. And, and just for everyone's, uh, Sandy, I'm going to a tiny URL. Another link to it's
not the one that he gave, but it's the same file. It's, it's mirrored all over the place.
It's, uh, tinyurl.com, slash, charlie6julietoscarlima. Boy, I really need to, like, put that tiny
URL, uh, plug-in on my Firefox browser, because I've just been using it so much for the show.
I never used it before. But it's...
I need to read the tiny URL things from my head. I think that would be the best.
Who, and really, who doesn't?
Yes.
So, I, I, I guess we'll just sort of, uh, wrap up. And, uh, I, I, technically, I guess, you
know...
Oh, CHP has stopped somebody.
Uh-oh. Dun-dun-dun. Is, is, is it, is it Ponch and, uh, oh, goodness. What was the other...
Damn it. Anyway, I'm dating myself.
Yeah, I'm, I'm dating myself. None of these little kids will know what the heck I'm talking
about. It was an old 60s and 70s TV show that goes around in the early 80s, I guess.
So, I, I, I guess, yeah, I guess we'll kind of wrap this up right here. Um, announcements.
I'm going to, uh, once again, shout out to the, uh, I guess, L-U-C-S, the, the L-U-C-S,
the, uh, L-U-C-Society.org, uh, by Iron Geek. Apparently, they meant, they meet at least every
month. Uh, check out their website, uh, www.L-U-C-Society.org. And, uh, the, the, the site of the week,
uh, I'm going to make that the New Hacker's Dictionary at tinyurl.com slash, uh, C-6-J-O-L.
That's Charlie 6, Juliet, Oscar Lima. Uh, like I said, like, like, it's a really good site.
And I, I actually have the printed edition of it because I found it so cool. And it's just,
it's, it's really fun to read. You, you will lose hours reading it. It's, it's a, it's a work
productivity virus when I first discovered it. That's, I, I think I spent the entire
day just flipping around and clicking little hyperlinks and reading the various definitions
they've come up with. Some of it is dated, I will admit. But it's, it's a very interesting
insight on original hacker culture. Uh, email, as always, is radio at binrev.com. And the closing
music tonight. Yeah. Well, I've got some announcements too. Oh, you have some announcements too? Okay,
go right ahead. Sorry. I was just kind of flying on autopilot. Yeah. My announcement is that
I may or may not be on the show next week. I'm going to be on vacation. I will attempt valiantly
to try and be on the show at some point. Wow. There's something kicking up an impenetrable
cloud of dust on University 5. Anyway, um, do you want to go? I'm sorry? No, no, no. I'm,
I'm, I'm, I'm through the cloud of dust now. Okay. But I will, I will attempt to join you
guys for the show next week. If not, uh, I, I wish you all the best of luck. And I don't,
uh, something or other. Yes, I'm also 36 miles outside of Los Angeles. Yay. And that's, those
are my announcements for the week. Uh, my, yeah, my site's also back up for those of
you who, uh, missed it because, uh, we, I got linked. Oh, and, and we should give a shout
out as well to Brian Krebs from WashingtonPost.com. Yes. He's an awesomely, yeah, awesomely cool
reporter. You can visit his blog online at WashingtonPost.com slash security fix, which
will, I'm sure, kind of URL that as well. And I, I think we kind of URLed it last week.
Go, go, we mentioned it last week on the show. Go, go read it then. Yeah. Anyway, he, he,
he linked to my, he linked to my site from his blog, which caused my bandwidth limit to almost
immediately be exceeded on my, on my existing ISP, which was the impetus for me to change
to our new server. So, uh, kudos to Brian. It's not on a bright, shiny new server with tons
and tons of bandwidth. Yes. So, uh, yes. G.I. Joe, do you have any announcements? I do
not. Nothing, do not. How about any, how many, how about any shouts? Um, well, um, I'll give
a shout out to people at, uh, make magazine. They put out a nice ad, mostly ad-free magazine,
and that's something I was going to mention, but I didn't think of it. It's pretty much a,
uh, a real life hacking all aspects. There's lots of cool electronic stuff that people should
check out. Yes. I, I, I very much covered the software side of things. I think we hardly
scratched the surface tonight. I mean, this is just a very, just, it's, it's a complete
drop in a, like a million gallon bucket. It really is with all the stuff we covered.
Um, I don't know. I don't think I, um, the, the only announcement I think I have actually
is, uh, I will be attending in September the Yvonne conference, which is a voice over IP
conference in Boston. Uh, if for free people who have FWD or free world dial up, that is,
uh, you get a free admittance to the, uh, showroom floor, and I think I'm going to be there at
least for one day and just, you know, mucking about and hanging around and trying to get
free swag. Yeah. And that's, I think that's, uh, September 20th through 23rd. Also, I will,
I'm giving a shout to Mark Spencer, who was an awesome host in San Francisco this weekend.
Mm-hmm. Uh, I had a great time hanging with him this weekend, and I will also, I guess
now, now, Astericon, which is the Asterisk convention for all of you Asterisk freaks out
there, is going to be in Anaheim this year from October something to October something
else. I think it's in the middle of October, I'm not sure, but I think it's mid-October.
It is in October. Yeah, mid-October 2005 in Anaheim, California, and I will be there.
So, uh, I won't, uh, hope, hope to see you all at Astericon, and I think that's about
it for our show, the show this week. As always, radio at quinnrev.com, and our closing music
is, Ratchet, tell us all about it. Our closing, our closing music is a, uh, track called Recursion
by a band called Jega, G-E-G-A, I'm sorry, J-E-G-A, Juliet Elko Golf Alpha. Uh, once again,
get it from epitonic.com, which is a wonderful site, and I guess we will see you next week,
same hack time, same hack channel.
Thank you.