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this is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers to the hackers and the crackers i see in binary i speak source code step on my toes i'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose in your digital stance getting firewalled ho because i'm riding the net in my six foe i was a dick with my 56 now with my cable i'm able to get that stable on the out my name is ace and i'm a leo on the digital highway
my name is neo and i'm a hero in a flash i'll school you on burning dreamcast you need some iso let me through my hard drive rifle our exchange you could never stifle and a digital hug you just caught the love bug i bootlegged your cd i caused a fight between un and jay-z your cg it's all gonna be free whether we take it by force or we take it nicely you feel that rattle in your bones when i tell you we just hacked out jones and nasdaq leaves you flat on your back cause i am he who loves to hack
and crack cause i am he who loves to hack and crack this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers
their real phone source code iso welcome to binary revolution radio episode number 120 for november 1st 2005
i'm strom carlson i'm black ratchet and i'm john we have yeah troops is here tonight
and and and five zone who's who's missing right now but we we don't know where he went
hopefully he'll be here soon we apologize for the bizarre technical problems that we had just now there
was a problem with the switch from daylight time to standard time with the attack radio for those of you
yeah for those of you who aren't who are curious how this actually works in the background
um when we're streaming live we have the uh basically one minute to connect to the stream
before it actually figures oh something's wrong i better start playing something else
so what it was is we we checked we finally decided to check the stream to make sure everything was okay
with the server and we noticed that last week's episode was playing and we're looking at it we're
going um that's odd that's really weird and we look at it and we look at the server time and say
oh my it thinks it's 10 p.m or 10 30 in this case so i had to desperately desperately uh call
stank dog and almost woke him up he was going right to bed and he said oh man i heard the phone
ring so i had to answer it so and he ran and uh had to manually kick off the stream and reset the
server time so this is the glory of live radio right here oh yeah what's amusing actually is we were
streaming the uh the episode from last week and uh war in the irc channel kept complaining i keep
getting jumped in the hold queue i'm i'm in the hold queue i've been here for half an hour now and
other people keep coming on like you're listening to last week's episode or or you you silly fool
yes yes we love you war yeah uh now we are we are actually live we are actually live for november 1st so
um get your dialing fingers ready because we've got the call in line ready at uh 800-732-0442
if you are calling from the united states or if you're calling from outside the united states you
can call us at area code 213-415-1047 country code one yeah country code one double check your
dialing instructions from whatever country you happen to be dialing from so yes we're actually
the reason why we're live again we actually i was planning to have a pre-taped episode but
uh thanks to halloween and i completely forgot that was monday and i had halloween related stuff to do
so we just decided to go live and strom was happy and yeah i like it it's always good live is
interesting i i'm i'm i i do like this it provides a a very unique feel it certainly does yeah that
nice little adrenaline rush going on here and plus you can always say well we're taping at 9 30
because it's a lot easier to schedule people right troops that's right well with the exception i just
realized this is i just realized it's live so i've got a stage fright going on no although there's always
mistakes and i i looks like troops uh using his western electric whatever it is oh yeah don't
worry about the mistakes if you listen to last week's episode we made you know screw up after
screw up after screw up so i thought last week's episode sounded pretty good yeah it sounded pretty
damn good but um you know there are well you know we think we make mistakes but of course listener it
doesn't sound like a mistake oh i'll take your word for that but i i thought we did okay yeah i think
we did pretty good considering the circumstances i didn't notice any major horrible mistakes but
anyway shall we go into email uh yeah let's do some email here
our first email is not from anybody in particular it says yes it's an anonymous person anonymous email
says okay just in case you didn't know there are two types of tesla coils one is a spark gap type
which provide the large arcs and are very dangerous to touch them the second type is vacuum tube that
you can touch and the arcs and light burnout bulbs and fluorescent lights awesome effects with steel wool
also very feasible to be indoors my dad built his first when he was 13 and hand coiled and all built by
him there is one crazy dude that paints space scenes with the spark gap tesla coils that is probably what was
in the hotel room at freak nick
well see would it be the would it be the spark gap one because i think that'd be definitely a fire hazard
but i would assume that the other one that wasn't a horrible thing of course it is kind of less impressive i guess
and technically yeah previous to this i i didn't know there were two types of tesla coils
uh the only coils that i saw were the giant spark gaps one with the uh electricity strands of death there
and uh i i seen the spark gap thing can like actually do all kinds of crazy stuff fluorescent lights and that was actually
one of the demonstrations they did at the boston museum of science you carry around a uh
you know at one of the shows you can carry around a fluorescent light and
what they suggested is basically every kid have one in america and they put tesla coils everywhere
and you have portable street lights with you at all times
that's sweet yeah too bad they sound absolutely horrific it's sort of like if you've ever if you've
never heard a spark gap it's i i don't know how to explain it it's very loud and very noisy
it's it's sort of like that sound if you're ever listening to am radio and someone starts a blender near
you it's just that nice little 60 hertz harmonic going on there oh yeah yeah that thing i mean but
anyway who knows who cares i i still want one from my front yard that would really freak out the kids
last night can you imagine doing that at a rave with uh with with the instead of the glow sticks
oh man god i'd i'd seriously i bet i could sell those probably yeah stone-ass ravers yeah oh my god
look at the spark gap man yeah drunken you know high off their ass on ecstasy i want to give a bunch of
angry emails from ravers now tons ravers email radio at binrav.com our next email comes from dosman
he says hi i was listening to binrav radio number 115 and there was there were a couple topics that i
have additional information on number one pgp versus gpg pg isn't free for business use corporate
users are required to license it and now version nine of the desktop tools appears to be completely
non-free gpg is completely free for everyone while pgp does allow downloads of death of its desktop
tool source you have to agree not to compile it for general use it's for peer review only while this
is nice to see in a commercial entity it's not really open source or even free anymore it looks
like the other item is that gpg users can't legally use the idea algorithm one of pgp's default algorithms
without manually licensing it direct from rsa they can use others instead is that pronounced idea or idea
i i assume it's idea or idea it's idea it's all in capitals but we're going to call it idea yeah
someone in the irc channel please correct me however there is a module floating around that
implements it for gpg of course this is fun and dandy for joe blow average gpg user that needs to talk
to a pgp user that only uses idea but if you're an admin or a developer for a corporation setting up
data transfers to banks and other financial institutions you'll pretty much have to obtain
a commercial license to use pgp instead of freeloading off gpg or risk getting sued later
on of course you could manually manually license idea from rsa but i've never seen anyone actually
go this route why go through the awkward process of using a hacked module and licensing it when you
can just pay for pgp the idea patent does expire in 2007 though and he gives the url number two doug
mentions that east coast bread tastes better than west coast bread i've heard this discussed before
often linked with pizza dough the conclusion i'd heard was because the better quality water in
the new york area this makes sense to me you make your bread with lots of water and the new york
new jersey area wins awards for its great tasting water i can't immediately find a web resource to
document this but i know i've heard on the radio before that new jersey had won a state water tasting
contest that's my three and a half cents on these topics dasman uh that that url he gave out i just
tiny url that it's a tiny url.com slash nine seven papa mike zulu bmz and uh i i the whole idea or
idea or whatever you want to call it and i i absolutely when i first read that i found that
absolutely hilarious because if you've ever learned about the history of pgp uh phil zimmerman
when he set it up he basically he wrote his own code and he used the rsa algorithm but he never
actually licensed it from rsa and that was a big thing and you basically he distributed pgp
of course back then it was to the united states only unquote um and he said that oh you know if you're
using this you really need to uh license uh a algorithm from rsa and get all that good stuff
because you know that's that's that's illegal and you can't do that wink wink so i i i find it
hilarious that pgp now is basically not just is basically it's in the same situation with the whole rsa
thing it's it's quite a hoot and i i kind of take offense to the whole freeloading off gpg
i mean it is free software after all for christian yeah it's free software they're giving ways to do
whatever you want and i mean it'd always be nice to if you're if you like the software give a donation
to the developers or something but it's there go go use it that's why they're giving it away
and quite frankly how how exactly do you peer review something and not test it against compiled
source that's what i want to know and plus do they really track it if you compile it do they
have like a bug in every compiler ever made and saying you know if you see the pgp source
call back yes yeah you comment that out you horrible person you yeah of course what's funny about the
whole water thing as i i seem to recall something where they found little uh little animals living
living in the new in the new york water supply and uh then there was alligators no not alligators
like little tiny almost microstopic um little i forget what they were called they were like little
mites or little eight-legged whatever they were but um what was i gonna say there oh yeah alligators
live in the new york sewers yes yes that would be it that would be it
so i remember there was this whole big controversy over whether the water was now kosher because they
had discovered little tiny things in it i'm sure they don't drink too much
and i i gotta laugh at the entire idea of new jersey having america's best water i mean
new jersey come on now they're like crazy talk their license plate is a tribute to smog
yeah i know it's the whole thing that's the chemical waste capital of the world oh it's basically just
the entire thing is just paved it's all chemical plants on the side i i've i've seen the opening
to sopranos i know how it is actually no i did drive through new jersey once and it i i drove down
the new jersey turnpike and that's all i saw was just like chemical plants and i did see giant stadium
i believe if i remember correctly or jet stadium whatever it was down in rutherford
it was just it was creepy it was just all like industrial complexes
and i'm using a side note kind of off topic actually my one of my professors in college
he to the lowest grade in the class of every test he gave them the new jersey turnpike award
and he would clip a new jersey turnpike receipt to your test
that's hilarious yes he had a thing against he had a thing against new york new jersey and
connecticut he used to call it the new york new jersey connecticut continuum oh dear yeah so it was
amusing oh and plus i gotta say uh out of all the water all i know is that my town in massachusetts
has the best water taste wise i i do know that we have won awards for it and we've actually
pride ourselves on it it's the only thing that we do right in lynn the los angeles municipal water
supply isn't that bad but it could be better yeah where is brown it's okay
it's crazy well how's water down in alabama in mississippi it's pretty brown mississippi
and uh you stubborn boys and i'm from louisiana recently and you know about the new orleans water
supply it's all silk now isn't it yeah i'm sure i'm sure it's too good now it wasn't very good to
begin with i do seem to recall i stayed at a hotel in like um azusa one time and we we turned on the
tap and the water did come out brown that was yeah no i i i used to have to drink the water in
providence and the providence water was just absolutely disgusting like i i i never understood
why certain people were saying oh you know don't don't drink the tap water around here and it's
like and then i actually found it and it was like oh you you'd have better luck in tijuana
i know it was up there i mean i couldn't even wash my hands my hands would smell afterwards
oh dear yeah it was bad that's no good so so do you want to get on tijuana we have we have a first
tonight we actually have a voice first bin rev voicemail yeah let me let me see if i remember how to
we should get a voicemail theme yeah we should yeah yeah i think this is it
hey guys this is j mac from detroit again i'm a software engineer uh i'm in a telecom uh a small
telecom out of detroit um and we're dealing with a great deal of fraud um the people that we're
dealing with are spoofing phone numbers but they're doing it on a grand scale i mean we're talking
thousands and thousands of dollars worth of uh telecom fraud here i mean they're they're purchasing
on fraudulent credit cards and they're using our service and basically we're getting stuck for the for
fees but uh my question is how possibly uh is somebody you know mass spoofing phone numbers
and getting away with this i mean i i believe the way i look at it when i look at their the places
that they're calling and in such a it's such a uh um a fast rate that they're just calling like
you know all over the world the uk india um um you know the netherlands just like places
that are of no relation uh you know most of our customers you know they call one general area
they're calling family and friends back home but these guys are just it's so sporadic so it makes
me think that they are reselling our service and uh somehow um you know hopping from telecom to telecom
but it's weird because they send us one annie our service it does validate by annie if you're not
calling from the annie you set up on our service then you can't use it so they're like there's there's
i'm just trying to understand what possible things are people doing out there to where they would
need to place uh so many calls so quickly and so much uh to the point where they're spending thousands
of dollars a day uh it's just it just seems mind-boggling to me that anybody would need that much
uh service and i mean obviously they have to be reselling it somehow um i just can't imagine what
they could be using all these uh telecom minutes for you know over you know just over regular analog
phone lines or not using voip or anything like that so if you could let me know um you know what
what do hackers do out there that you know that that warrants this type of activity and behavior
in the system i mean i just don't understand uh why they're doing this if i can get a better grip
on this um maybe i can you know take further measures to find out how to prevent it and how
to look at their call patterns to to bust them so if you could let me know i'd really appreciate it um
you can email me at gmail.com or if you want to talk about on the show i'd really appreciate to hear
your responses thanks for your time guys great show so the fbi may have a place for you i'm sorry i
just had to do that i find a let me i find a let me interject for a second go ahead i just saw jason
scott's uh bbs documentary and i know what they're doing they're using bbs's
it could be we don't know well we we we uh i i have a theory on this i'm not sure if strom does
but um well well first off i mean he said hackers and everything and as always we're going to take
offense to that hackers don't do this and also freaks don't do this we're just into harmless
explanation of the phone system and or the computer system we're not into toll fraud we're not into
owning your box we're not into fishing people who do this aren't hackers and i i dare say that
they're not crackers either they're just they're just evil scum of the earth and they deserve to be
strung up on the nearest tree or something um so you know if you're a caller i don't even i didn't
say who he was so person who called in don't don't say hackers are doing this and at the same point
people in the audience don't give hackers a bad name by doing this thank you okay of course i
don't think anyone in our audience would actually do this i hope and if you're not shame on you
stop doing it so uh what i'm going to suggest is i'd be curious as to the telecom providers they're
calling uh if for example if they're calling a certain uh telecommunications provider in india
china or whatever he said it was um see if you can't ban them from calling your service
because what it is is a lot of stuff is uh kickback related now what what a kickback is
is you know say for example um i i hack sword your service not that i would do that but uh you're
running a calling card and i hack sword your service and i made it so that it looked like your
company or your calling card was actually being used to call in you know some telecom providing
an antigua or some some third world country or something now what that company would do is i
would have a previously arranged agreement with them saying that i would drive track it traffic
toward their telephone system and they could charge exorbitant rates to do that so the company that i
owned would get paid would what i'm sorry would get billed and like you know two minute call three
hundred dollars and at the same point they would have to pay the company that i called because
well even though they are owned that other company wants to get paid and so the company that's in
antigua would then send me a check saying you know basically they'd send me a percentage of the profits
so it's a very interesting system and if you ever hear those stories about uh those people who are
uh you know they they download the free caller off the internet to get into those hot triple x sites
and they call like you know some some phone number in southern czechoslovakia this is a lot of what
that is the adult the company that makes the dialer gets a kickback from the telephone company that
is handling the call so basically what i would do is i'd go through the logs and you know see if the
phone companies that handles the numbers are at least semi-reputable and if not just ban their ass
and i mean also you were saying that a lot of people are just calling their you know their friends
and family down the street or you know certain areas or if it's just really just us 48 calling
um just stop international calling if if 90 percent of your calling is local or local toll or us 48
um approve people for international dialing on a case-by-case basis maybe i mean it'd be some work
and you you might get some people ticked off but if you're getting losing thousands of dollars to
this fraud just you know do bite the bullet and do it and say if you want to dial international
please call this number and uh get previous approval well you know lord knows good luck whatever
uh what do you do you have a theory on this strom or a solution
strom
i love live radio so what what it is is um
strom did you come back
i guess i'm the only person left there i'm i'm all alone i'm grabbing the call off the queue i'm
i'm seeing who it is oh okay uh well what was your solution to the sky
or what was your suggestion as it were
i love live radio
so troops do you have a suggestion to this guy
i'm going with you buddy yeah i i actually if five zones on the conf now isn't he yeah
yeah hi five zone how you doing doing great when in doubt blame the pla
exactly blame blame uh red box chili pepper over there rbcp he's he's always at fault those those
damn crazy phone freaks over there they're sort of proto phone freaks prank calling as it were
yeah there was there there was there was nobody serious on the queue there was someone who thought
they were waiting for a conference call or something so strom what what was your suggestion for this
whole thousands of dollars in international toll fraud oh yeah my suggestions was you know if
if you're doing thousands of dollars a day from a single number obviously there's something wrong
with your tandem where you're not restricting the number of of simultaneous calls that the
caller can make and if you're restricting by any i mean that makes sense but if you've got
a hundred calls from the same any obviously they're abusing the service so limit it to like
two maybe three calls at the same time and i'm sure you'll have you'll see your problems diminish
immensely yes it's always interesting uh the love the lovely world of toll fraud you're all stupid
for doing this it's seen anyone who does it is just you deserve what if you get caught you
deserves what's coming for you unless you're doing it in a completely innocent manner but highly
doubtful so that was our first ever voicemail isn't that it was a touching moment we had our first
ever live caller last week this is our first ever voicemail this week it's it's amazing what will
we have next week the first ever on-air twinkie eating or something yeah you're kind of obsessed
with twinkies because you just bought them yeah i bought twinkies for the first time in like five
years this evening so shame on you so yeah go and tell yeah okay by the way call-in lines are open
again if you forgot the number it's uh if you're within the u.s get out your pencil 800-732-0442
or if you're calling from outside the u.s area code 213-739 no i'm sorry that's not it
that's the wrong number is area code 213-415-1047
can't even get the phone number right you call yourself a freak well i i i somehow
went into the pattern of repeating the phone number from my old office
so if you want to call uh ticket master yeah if you want to call ticket master
213-739 something or other but uh yeah oh so yeah call those numbers if you
call those numbers and you can be on the air yeah there's no one in the key right now
our main topic tonight just so everyone can get prepped is we're going to talk about
freak nick and oh it's droops and five zone just going to wrap it up and tell us what the hell
happened over there and someone wants to get on and tell them about their are their freak nick
experience we had a couple people on from last week but if you haven't get on last week just come
on this week and just to chat away we haven't done our personal hacking stories yet yeah i was
about to say show to show and tell what have you been doing strom what have i been doing i've been
playing around with uh let's see solaris and a weiss 150 terminal and all sorts of random but
not terribly consequential stuff
mm-hmm i moved my desk that was a fun adventure in uh in computer something or other you moved
where did you move it to your porch no i moved to the other side of my living room
oh interior design with strom carlson yes been rev's gayest moment ever indeed
is it closer to payphone now no actually it's further from the payphone shame on you
droops what have you been doing well i've been doing a lot of shit yes you have um uh
brought some shit um actually i have a confession to make i actually i used windows me today
you and uh if i learned the truth with windows me on an older box if you change the uh swap file
so windows isn't regulating it it's like a whole new experience and i actually appreciate
windows me today
you appreciated windows me because you can control the swap file size by no no i appreciated it
it didn't crash on me one time not one time did it crash uh i was very impressed i've never had
that opportunity to experience that before um i've also been doing things that are actually kind of
cool other than that confession uh we're working on twat radio and we're taking the month of november
off so that we can uh regroup a little bit because we kind of sprung into it half-ass and we're really
planning on every day having to upload a show and getting people to upload a show because they didn't
do it and they're just far off the face of the earth so we're getting a bunch of uh backup episodes
and we've got a new admin over at the site mr uh touch hello and he's going to help me make sure it's
updated every day and good stuff like that and i've had a bunch of people submit things
like today they're like oh no i have to have twat what am i going to do so that's really really cool
well because because because twat is taught is cool it's what's always cool uh what's what's the
website might as well just sort of toss it out there oh it's uh twatech.org so twatango whiskey
alpha t-e-c-h dot org and so so with with these new people submitting stuff do you foresee yourself
actually being on in november now no we're going to wait till the summer i believe just so we have a
whole plethora of backup episodes okay so and we're trying to get more hosts for it the more
hosts we have the less work we all do and how how would one become a host uh pretty much email me
and say hey i want to do a twat and we'll send you all the information is that so it's it's it's droops
at gmail.com droops at gmail.com and also in case koresh is listening koresh email
droops at gmail.com or actually no i think you need to call droops right now
just not right now after the show right now during the show make his phone ring
it won't ring i don't have like two lines or anything
uh
and what what magazine subscription did you get your phone on
what magazine subscription did i get my phone actually i have a uh a very old
note camp it's uh very durable and i haven't changed because i like it yes you you can tell
it's apparently down in mississippi there they used the old phones that are still in the wall
so that's that's that's why droops sounds like he does the the quality of his telephone is degrading
every minute yeah it's the extra for that actually uh let's see uh what else is going on with uh
troops we're working on infanelicon tv um which is a really cool thing that we do because we put out
a lot more episodes than that like bin rev tv show thing i don't know i don't know what's going on
they're lame over there aren't they something about fur games i don't know if if i'm a smart man
i wouldn't think like my critical infrastructure or like hurricane would wipe it out every summer
and i think after the first summer i'd learn but uh i'm not saying anything guys don't take a
chance you're you're basically pissing off all of southern southern florida right now
whatever like you like you should talk what where do you exactly do you live
i live in north Mississippi on top of the hill oh on top of the hill okay yeah didn't didn't you
didn't you certainly have a uh like a certain hurricane that started with a k kind of was in
the news a bit i forget what they called it karen i don't know i don't know about those people
yeah well see you lucked out because a lot of other people didn't actually i'm talking like
the sound of it but uh the day after katrina hit i used all the money that i had and bought gasoline
and drug down there and gave it away to people if i'm not just a big mouth that talks mean about
people aren't people i actually tried to help too aren't you just a good i don't love eating
mom because i'm an idiot
but just think of how many people you helped out and all that stuff
you were an amazing you were an amazing person so five zone since you've been absolutely dead
quiet what have you been doing uh actually this week i've been trying to write an article about uh
reading codes out of the uh off of keys off physical keys trying to figure out the cuts by the stamp on
the key that kind of thing so i'm writing up an article oh really this is and hopefully i can uh
submit that to one of the magazines and uh hopefully do a little video about it too
so so wait so those little letters and numbers on my keys that's what the hell those mean
yeah it tells you what cut what the cuts are from the uh from the shaft of the key to the tip
hmm it tells you exactly the depth to cut i must say i was very unaware of that i just thought it
was some type of identifying mark yeah it's no it's uh it'll tell you exactly how to cut the key
uh it depending on the kind on the type of key whether it's quick set or or whatever so you can
either do that or you can trace it with a pencil it's the old trick um and there's a couple more that
i'm going to turn out i hope but other than that just teaching teaching unix class and that's
about the depth of my week so you're teaching the class on how to be a eunuch yes exactly i'm not
i'm i don't want to take that class myself yeah it takes it doesn't take much balls
very nicely played
so yes yeah i don't think i told you what i was doing basically i i i'm not not theory told me
yesterday that bell's mind is doing an overhaul so i i basically get to uh sit down and i took
this advantage took this time that because technically apple by phone won't be working
because bell's mind will be down and working and not working later so i'm basically taking
this time to overhaul my code and do everything right and i'm hopefully going to have a new and
improved yet another payphone list or well at least at least new lord knows it won't be improved
because god damn it the website sucks but here's hoping so yes that's that's what i've been doing
this week i basically decided to take everything down and i moved it over to a new server today and
i i think it's working now but lord only knows
you've got a dot net uh client interface now right oh yeah i got my dot net client technically i just
decided to show that off but in reality i i i hadn't touched it in forever we do have a live call
in who do we have we have luminaire from uh from toronto i think huh should i bring him in sure all
right let's bring him in here hello luminaire hey luminaire how you doing what's going on not too much
welcome to the vendor of radio thank you very much uh i just wanted to say that uh i was talking to
a couple people in irc and there seems to be a couple more of us from toronto than i thought um
the current state of our 2600 uh group is interesting to say the least so uh anyone from toronto or in
the general toronto area feel free to email me at salvea at gmail.com that's s-a-l-v-e-y-a
at gmail.com and uh ratchet i'll let you do the phonetic alphabet on that i i really don't care
because i really wasn't paying attention how it's spelled oh i'm sorry i'll toss it up in the irc later
um yes this is for people in the toronto area who wants to do the whole 2600 or anything
uh well anyone who doesn't want to go to the 2600 or just wants to meet up sort of like a
ah i want to see the numbers if you will pardon an anti-2600 if you will uh i i want to find out
what kind of numbers i have before calling it a bin rev meeting basically dude just call it a bin rev
if bin rev uh what was it bin rev 508 no 508 978 whatever whatever the one that was in framing
him was had had one person show up to it so oh man that shit's not gonna fly so seriously i mean
he's still a bin rev meeting he's out there he's waiting for people to show up so it's still a meeting
if one person shows up it's just not else so be proud call yourself a bin rev meeting okay well
bin rev pride biatch oh okay i'm sorry um my other question if i may ask away uh you mentioned uh
c-sharp and ifolder on the uh twat that you ran you actually play around with the code of ifolder
ifolder i never actually mentioned ifolder i just talked about c-sharp
novelle's ifolder project oh oh yes well novelle's ifolder project i haven't actually played around
with it but there's a uh c-sharp implementation of it it's actually all c-sharp and mono yes it is
uh right now it's only peer-to-peer and the uh the actual server-based one looks a lot cooler but
it's not if it is working it's barely working well that's that that's what code is it's always
barely working oh okay i'm sorry uh no i see i haven't actually played with it and i don't have
uh i actually didn't notice the server code which was really scary because i've kind of disappointed
myself that i didn't notice that but uh i i kind of looked at it and said wow that's really cool
that you're implementing it but at the same point i said well geez i don't have enough l server so
i'm just kind of hosed oh and it runs on everything it's all uh it's all peer-to-peer so you can run it
on linux and share between mac and windows you don't need an actual server that was i was
so i was just a noob then i wouldn't say that but no it is that was my motivation to pick up mono and c-sharp
to to try and take a look at that but since you already know it
well i actually i got taken down a notch i tried to write an implementation of uh
uh acidus's tiny disk in c-sharp and and really i i failed miserably i i don't know how it worked but
oh boy it just it just it didn't work it didn't couldn't decode it and the whole encryption thing
just failed miserably and it's sitting in the room it's a remnants of my home direct
i wouldn't even want to try and match up any any of my cleverness against that guy's ideas
well it's cool i i mean i got it to i got it to submit and pull out uh
disks and like you know the clusters and everything i just never actually decode it
it was a brilliant idea and i got it partially working i just never actually got it working into
something useful so all right acidus you owned me all right i think we should move on to our
topic and then we'll take more calls uh if they come in during the topic and then towards the end
of the show we'll take some more calls all right you guys do you want to toss a number out again yeah
if you're all right uh i'll talk we'll talk to you later thanks for calling here all right later
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all right so our our main topic tonight as we previously stated is is freak nick so we'll
we'll just toss the general question right on out there so guys you both went how was freak nick
you go first uh okie doke uh i had a ball there it was my first uh con and uh there were about
three or four of the uh talks that i really liked um most of them were pretty good but i drank a lot
of beer so i don't remember a lot of them uh but there were there were about three or four that were
great uh of course acidus his talk was uh on layer seven fun was good uh there was a guy named ethan
mccarger i believe was his name uh did a uh talk about uh using your internal cable system to uh transmit
your own your own uh channels across the cable uh it was called dr cable love and that was pretty good
and uh other than that the uh i don't know if you've heard about decodes outbound content compliance
uh uh talk no i can't say that i have it was really good it opened a lot of people's eyes i think to uh
what was going out of their networks uh and he was really talking about uh you know are you going to
know if your employees are sending out you know xls spreadsheets with company database you know
company information in them those kind of things and they apparently have products they're uh
first and second generation products that are looking for that kind of thing and logging them
uh and i think a lot of people were real interested in that so i think that's coming up on the horizon
most likely we'll be hearing a lot about that
other than that the uh the web security 101 was not too bad i'm a noob on that you know coding
web security uh and maxi i think it was maxi z did that presentation and it was it was pretty
interesting i was kind of disappointed that they uh they talked about uh how to prevent like passing uh
or people grabbing like mt md5s off the uh off the network and and reversing them uh but they didn't
talk about things like yahoo does with like passing you a token uh and taking your md5 password and
encrypting that with it and then passing the whole thing back and comparing it so i was kind of
disappointed they didn't get into that kind of level but overall it was a pretty good talk
other than that uh droops probably had a better overall feel for it i spent a lot of time just in
in the room hacking were you were you just what were you doing pony owning dog networks and stuff
or uh no we were just uh just playing uh we worked on a on a couple of pat twos um and uh just playing
around another guy was there with as soon as he saw heard acidus uh talk had to go back to the room
and start pulling stuff out of google um out of google images and doing layer seven stuff there
yeah acidus's talk was pretty awesome i i didn't actually well of course i wasn't there so i
couldn't actually watch it but at the same point i i did download his presentation and just some of
the crazy shit that he just thought of was like wow cool cool enough that i wanted to say hey let's
let's go write my own implementation of this so i can do it in c sharp and oh what a what a
starry eyed delirium i will had failed miserably yeah
so droops since since i guess you were sober and got out of your room more i guess what what did you
think um let's see let's see um for everyone that's uh wondering how they could experience break
noob without actually going they're one of the few cons that actually puts all the video that they
took even a lot of extra stuff up on their website so that you can go watch it even if you didn't go to
the con and i think their website was breaknick.info which is really really cool um let's see i got
really drunk like a 15 year old kid and the first night i don't really know what happened then
but supposedly i tried to um have sex with jason scotty or not real sure on that uh the rest of the
time i was actually pretty knowledgeable because i sobered out finally and i got to meet a lot of
very very cool people i got to see uh dr segment again got to meet iron geek uh i saw doss man again
from the packet sniffers uh let's see uh low-tech mystic i'm gonna miss like a shitload of people
because i've met a lot of people met to biz and his beautiful girlfriend who won miss freaknik to
uh everyone's delight let's see oh a bunch of other people i saw congratulations for her
yeah congratulations to freaknik um let's see did we do anything i need to bring a computer
because i'm just a big noob and i like meeting people and talking to people we uh one of the
really cool things about freaknik is like i've been to several times now and all the people that
run it are just hanging out sharing and they're of course doing their business of making sure the
con goes well but you can go to them and talk to them and if they have a free moment you know
they're throwing in on the conversation they're doing some drinking with you and it's really cool
in the openness of the con like everyone is friends there's not big enough for this guy i don't know
who he is you doesn't look like you'd fit him with me everyone just kind of hangs out and has a really
good time i really enjoy the closeness of the convention oh well i don't know do i need to keep
talking i don't know did you did did did you have any uh good uh like presentations you went to
yeah i went to some presentations but i did a little drinking and uh if there's only hit on the ones i
didn't go to and just everyone go watch them because my opinion doesn't matter basically you
couldn't remember any presentations because you were just too damn drunk don't really know
my question for you guys is actually you know freak nick does have freak in the name is it a more
freak oriented convention than say defcon or one of the others it's it's more of a just let's all
hang out and have a convention it's not really freak oriented or heck oriented it's kind of a
the general mindset kind of oriented so there is no freaking going on at the convention there's
there's no tons of guys that are just have tons of blue boxes and are wiring up the ceo to do crazy
things and there was some uh malicious freaking last year i can just imagine a whole like a bank of
maybe 20 pay phones and every single one has somebody doing something malicious to the telephone set
what's not even something malicious i can just picture if it was a it was a freaker con just like
have a bank of 20 pay phones and actually have to have them wait in line for a pay phone which
just hasn't happened in forever yeah retro-tacular yeah well that's not threw away all the pay
cons and there's not a lot in the reaction the hotel has those little uh
telephone cubicles built into the hallway and they're just like a little empty spot oh they
should put cocots in there
through that we should turn our own telephone company yeah we should we can be our own telephone
company with asterisk with asterisk and we had a little bin rev meetup with a bunch of people
oh including people that aren't even bin rev people like foggy the guy who runs not a con
went to it and uh we went and ate tacos and had a really good time later
tacos tacos almost as fun as as the defcon bin rev sushi outing i think
yes sushi feels well the food wasn't as good as that but the conversation was very nice oh yeah
well hey ratchet didn't you and i go and have like a mini taco outing at some point during defcon
oh yeah like right right after our um our presentation i think yeah i think we went out
we went to um i forget the name i forget the name of the tacos or something yeah it's some little
hole in the wall taco shop next to you and lb and we had the greasiest most delicious burritos
in the history of the universe yes i i had a taco and an enchilada and i gotta say it was damn tasty
i guess that's what happens when you go into the southwest you actually meet people who know what
mexican food tastes like well they don't have mexican food in boston
we do but i didn't think it was that good yeah i gotta say that that's up there with one of the
that's one of the better mexican food and plus it's like it was just the the entire atmosphere
was great at the restaurant talk yes yes just it was it was good besides those annoying kids
college kids that came by and was chatting on their cell phones what were they talking about
they were talking about some totally vapid nonsense like television or something yeah i think so and
we were just ignoring it so they were talking about their phones too i think i i kept uh suggesting that
we should go over and offer to hack their telephones well someone was that i believe someone over
there had a sidekick and it would just really pissed me off because they had a sidekick too
and i just had a sidekick one and it made me feel less of a man
uh ratchet you're no less of a man in my eyes now anyway
tacos and phones yes
so so do you guys have any fun stories from freak nick anything cool that happened
well uh we learned that iron geek is a very hardcore kind of guy when he sits down at a
computer like he sits down at a computer and he's in control and he's very bent on what he's doing
and uh when he drinks he's the same way like uh the man has the iron geek special
i don't know what it's called but he takes a little bit of uh
um sweet and sour and then a lot of everything and just drinks it real fast
and uh that's always fun good stuff that's good stuff right there um dr zigman actually did a
pull up i don't know if he's going to use it in this video or i'm using it but he um showed us how
he can break fire inside the hotel room and catch the room on fire that's always a plus i i i always
think that's a very marketable skill you know i guess uh if you want to like bartender do
that might be important i keep finding myself wondering if you've got a better phone droops
i keep i keep wondering if you have a better telephone set somewhere
no worries
i can just picture i can just picture dr zigman like doing like roadhouse or something
dude we can have like a roadhouse on bin rev tv or hack sorry hack tv
we can have like dr zigman as patrick swasey
justin up in a black shirt
and uh they also have a wall of shame
for all the people that were using their six passwords and the right
and uh i think uh fizzone found out where it was it was kind of hidden
yeah it was on the uh well i think apparently it was on the gateway
it was pretty clever you had to be looking to find it
yeah yeah basically uh dr zigman in the dance dance revolution contest was pretty funny
i got a kick
oh yeah
oh god there was a ddr contest
a drunken ddr
okay a drunken ddr contest is at least acceptable because then your coordination is impaired and
really levels the playing field or totally warps it depending on what you what you believe
alcohol will do to it but yeah if you want to have a ddr contest or a dddr contest
direct distance revolution what uh
did we have a direct distance styling revolution contest
i think i think ratchet it's ratchet's phone isn't it
not live buddy
it's the wonders of live radio phones go off and uh
yeah it's always fun
would you go to dakota on here and just call this default radio
yeah
which which may or may not be coming back
yes yes apparently on november 11th which is one one one one uh default radio is doing something
there's lots of mysteriosity the rumors are flying that default radio is coming back so if you
are all interested uh defaultradio.com
yeah well we're assuming it's november 11th that just says the password is one one one one so
lord only knows what's happening
i i heard something along the lines of november 11th and i saw a countdown that said 10 days today so
i assume that means november 11th
that's what i think that's what people are thinking right now yeah
so anyway guys my personal question is
okay with hope you're in new york there's new york you can do all kinds of crazy stuff in new york
uh with defcon you're in the middle of las vegas there's all kinds of crazy stuff to do in las vegas
what in god's name is there to do in nashville watch the trains go by
well there's the grand old opry which i don't think anyone at the convention attended
and the opry opry there's prostitutes walking on the street out in front of the hotel
which is always a benefit i guess um there's lots of hanging out and talking to your friends
and there's beautiful southern women at the bars at night it's good fun it's a good drink in town
so those those are the three things to look forward to nashville
it's convenient for a lot of us we can just drive there it's easy
i bet i bet that you can within a mile of freak nick by twinkies
that sounds
i think you can buy a lot of other things within a mile of freak nick
yeah if the prostitutes are walking in front of the building i i think you can buy a lot of other
things
so so so well would you would you recommend that uh basically if you're not over 21 don't go to
freak nick well um actually probably when we uh we had a really good time
um you don't have to be drunk if you just like hanging out with like-minded people
and not have something important to do like
i went to vegas there was a lot of you have to be here at this time and we'll meet up with this guy
and we'll give you this exciting thing and it kind of draws you away from the con and
you're up on top of that big tower riding the roller coasters or whatever
and uh freak nick it's more just hanging out as a big group and meeting a lot of people
oh true that's that's always true because you know that that's that's as we said
before back back in the day on like episode what is it 106
that that's what conventions are for for meeting people
and when i came home from defcon i needed a vacation it was so busy
and freak nick was a vacation it was a good time
okay okay and the plus is it's cheap enough that if you miss the uh
it's the talks you you're not out that much money
mm-hmm how expensive is it 20 bucks that's not bad that's not bad at all
of course travel expenses tend to factor in too so it's not like
it only costs you 20 bucks but still that's pretty damn good oh yeah
yeah and uh they first 300 people got a uh uh led flashlight rechargeable about usb or something
so okay that's pretty cool what's actually interesting is apparently at uh speaking of
conventions and free stuff at astracon the first some small number 50 or 100 people or something
got exes from digium well the digium guys were there and they gave him one oh did you what they
were at freak nick yeah there's some guys wandering around with uh digium back types oh sweet
remember from last week strong when the guy said that he got up the free eeksy yeah no but i that
wasn't um no but that was also at astracon not uh not freak nick no that was that was at
freak nick or no and astracon as well yeah yeah but the guy freak nick said he got a free eeksy and
the guys from astrosquare there yeah yeah my my memory is a smidge slippery so yeah apparently
we were sitting down there making uh one of these little found fans that's playing yourself and
we just started on and out all the good stuff and they wandered up wondering what we were doing
and we talked to him for a while
it was strong's not the brightest bulb in the box
yeah i'm i'm kind of dim and burning out and whatnot
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devin so fison talk to new we're talking about this um this whole
monitoring stuff going out of your network what what exactly was this talk about uh basically it's
it's a couple of the the guy's uh handle was decode and i'm not sure what the product was but
apparently there's several companies that are providing products like this you know and
more or less what they're doing is logging and i'm i'm not sure i don't understand exactly how
they're how they're picking what to log and what not to log but anything that's suspicious gets logged
um and he was talking about going into companies and putting product in place and i think he said
i forgot how many people they said one company had fired just immediately um
um because they had uh broken the pornography rules or whatever in the uh for for the business
and uh most of them had at least eight years tenure or something like that so it's not just you know
new people working at these businesses that are that are doing this but mainly what they're worried
about is people sending out like excel spreadsheets or somebody walking in a call center and selling
you know social security numbers and names and that kind of uh id theft information
but i'm not sure i really understand exactly how they're how they're picking what to log but from
what he said they're basically logging anything that goes out with uh uh encryption on it
hmm with encryption too yeah well they're they're logging that it went out with encryption so that's
a suspicion yeah because lord knows only criminals have encryption yeah well and that's what he said
you know he said that this is coming you know whether you like it or whether you don't these
businesses are putting it in and if you'll look at your your agreement that you sign when you go to
work for a company most likely they're if they haven't implemented it yet they'll be implementing it
soon and they're probably already putting uh information about it into their into their policies
so whether we like it or not it's probably coming well you can be like um oh shoot i'm drawing a blank
on his name which is really bad i got the guy from iss that uh quit his job about cisco and
everything happened right before it happened at black hat and apparently he never every time they sent
him the non-disclosure agreement he was like i'm not signing this so you can always sort of pull that
um and i'm kind of disappointed that i'm drawing a blank on his name
mike lynn shame on me hmm mike lynn that could be right we have a caller presentation
yes yes the cisco presentation yeah that was mike lynn uh-huh all right who's our caller our
caller is uh elizare and he's got a question about a voip i think let me okay we're just going to
sort of digress from the freaking topic i guess hello caller hey strong yeah hello elizare
yep i'm there um i just wanted to have a ask a quick question about voip
ask away yeah you're on the air hello yes hi this is elzare um i was just wondering about possible
standardizations for voip it seems like a lot of the networks use their own numbering scheme
and i was wondering if wouldn't it be better to just possibly make a dns record for a voip server and
kind of handle it like email well i mean there is it does sort of do that already i mean the whole
zip protocol is all url based yeah it would be it would be zip colon slash slash strom at stromcarlson.com
and it would know that basically i'm trying to contact stromcarlson.com and i'm trying to contact
a user called strom yeah i think what he's asking about though is that um you know for some sort of
universal numbering plan like one one numbering space for for all numbers right well i think it
was more uh were you trying to shoot for that or you're trying to shoot for you were talking about
how it's like email and everything so you're looking for more url based um i get well more url based
would be nice but if it uh but it would be kind of nice to have a universal standard like email and sntp
well the whole um uh the whole kind of standard on it is just right now the the the quote unquote
standard is uh session initiation protocol which is called sip and that that's what officially is
what the standard is according to the internet engineering task force thingy whatever the
ietf and so that's what everyone's shooting for and basically that's why everyone you see using
you know sip sip sip sip sip sip because it's the most official standard so when you talking about
like you know eq2 and everything that's not officially a standard it's just more of a standard
among asterisk and personally we all think it's better so we all use it
uh-huh so when you're talking about voip the standard right now is sip and rtp and all that
kind of stuff all righty i guess uh what i was just shooting for was um if you integrated it with dns
say you would uh you would have yes one numbering scheme for all and yeah so instead of having to go
through free will dial up or anything like that you could just query the dns record and find the
voip server and possibly get a host like that yeah well if you were looking at if you if you
looked at our presentation we kind of briefly discovered about this it was the whole uh enum
thing and what enum is is it's a dns base but it's all numbering based so but the problem is is that
with the whole you know we we have this wonderful standard over in the north american continent from
nampa but at the same time someone over in uh the uk well they they dial different numbers and
anyway they don't have one npa nxxxxxx they have some other such nonsense which i'm not unfamiliar
with because i'm not from the uk but also so you know south america asia they all have different
numbering schemes okay it always really freaks me out when i'm watching like you know portugal or
spanish television and i see this you know telephone number is uh one eight two oh nine
17 38 i'm like what that's not a phone number
and i'm sure if they looked at it right now they'd see something completely different if
we showed them an american number
so with the internet with the internet having no borders it's a plus but it's also a you know giant
minus as most federal governments has figured out yes but it would be nice that uh uh to have one
service for all so we could so we wouldn't have to all use free will dial up or something like that
well eventually it'll it'll move to some sort of peer-to-peer model
and um you know they'll it won't really matter what network you're on i mean the problem as you're
describing basically is the real problem is that the networks don't have interconnects with each
other like um that's it yeah because you know like for example if you're say you have a sprint
mobile phone you want to call the user who has a a singular mobile phone you know there there are
two different networks but they have interconnect agreements so they can call each other without
a second thought with one numbering plan so the real problem is that the networks don't have
any interconnect agreements with each other and um it's kind of a mess right now again these are
the really early days of voip give it you know 10 years and it'll be completely different yes i
mean we're we're basically comparing this right now as to the 1890s with the telephone system when
basically you had your your town was wired for telephone and you could call basically probably
within your town unless you wanted to pay a seems amount of money and go to like the local store
where they had another internet another service for the other town over and that's how you pick up
the long distance phone like you've ever seen the old looney tunes cartoons
so i mean there there is interconnects right now but with the whole different services and different
things it's just most peer-to-peer services or central semi-centralized services just don't
have interconnects to other people and they don't really support that within the or most people who are
using it don't understand that you can call other people via a url system or there's no centralized
numbering scheme so they are in lies or trouble oh so it's so it is a url basis and you just have
to figure out how to where what's what their url is yes right all right so we're going to heartily
refer you to our uh asterisk demonstration on our asterisk presentation online at blackratchet.org
and it gives a couple of slides on an overview of sip and also the enum system which kind of
attempts to solve this hmm well thanks a lot guys yeah you've been great and uh is stank dog
ever going to come to any of the uh present or any going to come to any conferences or anything
um technically you'd have to ask him all righty all right thanks for calling man thank you very much
man later thanks colin later bye bye bye
well that was fun yes see i think every i i think people are getting ticked off that every time we
have have a show i think to to complete this off we need to have a conversation about ipods
yeah yeah but no but we haven't had a gentoo talk yet so so it won't work won't be complete
until we talk about gentoo either yes do either of you use gentoo uh no nope no uh shucks we can't
we can't go for the trifecta void gentoo and ipods but we do have a call on robots you have a call
on robots about robots yeah well bring them on in we'll we'll talk about robots okay just a second i'll
be back i i'm curious how i can get my own robot that will fetch me beer on command because that that's
that's every person's dream right there in my opinion only if it runs debian
only if it runs debian or gentoo there we go we can work a gentoo uh gentoo reference into the show
did you i hear if you compile on gentoo it gets like so much faster and responds so much quicker with
the beer it brings you american beer if you don't if you don't use gentoo yeah exactly no no you'd have
to oh crap what's that international distribution mandrake mandrake's french you can go use that
what's what's what's and we need to like have like a uk distribution if we want british beer
there's no ireland distribution i can't get my guinness actually the call is it's an on-topic
call it's about freak nick okay bring one in though
we should have like strom the engineer we have like the doug of binrev radio is strom
i feel like a feeling a person who's dedicated to uh screening phone calls yeah definitely so we
have my car on the line hey guys hey what's going on not much i said a comment um about the freak nick
talk that i i'm sorry i forgot who it was i was talking about about the um the talk that was going
on about the guy that had a product that would watch like outgoing excel files and whatnot um those of
you who know me know i work for a uh telecom company um i'm not going to name it for security
purposes over the phone here but um this uniac telephone what's that yeah we can call it the
telephone right um i uh yeah so we actually have something like that similar implemented at my work
i'm a net admin for the local network inside the office and uh there's some problems with people
emailing them um excel files basically just like you're talking about and you know other work
related documents back to themselves at home and like posting online and you know doing crazy
shit with it so they have this implemented the way our system is set up um there's a gateway that any
of our traffic generated from any of the computers within this network it passes through this gateway
um and it's kind of a layer on top of this gateway so it first goes through the gateway to verify if the
information is legitimate if it is it passes it off to the correct place um you know email you know dns
web traffic etc etc um if it's web traffic or it's email traffic it it sends it back through to this
other layer with this um i can't remember the name of what the product is but um it basically sorts
through all the packet information if it pulls out anything relating to like excel anything like
that it flags it it denies the request and it sends an alert uh email off to the admin usually me in
in that case um with the ip of where this is coming from when that happens you know we got to
go and track down where the ip is located at and slap somebody on the wrist but it's pretty
interesting how it works and i'd personally slap them upside the head exactly what the hell are you
doing whack right what are you thinking man put it on a jump drive you'd be okay
but yeah i just wanted to throw that out there because i've actually seen that stuff work it's
pretty cool sweet well that sounds awesome micr right on i'm gonna drop off let somebody else get
down here and have fun so okay cool good stuff guys later okay scheduling man
if that's something people are interested in i would definitely say go go to the uh to the
freak nick video site and check out decode's uh presentation since you can see the video and
and i believe you told the product but i don't i don't remember exactly what what the product was
but there are several others like it i i i don't believe it is uh up yet oh i i just sort of checked
out the website i i didn't see it but uh i i will i will be patiently waiting i'll be interested about
that my my my my uh workplace has something similar but um it's just very url based and it's very
convenient that nobody checks it anymore so you know they they basically had a jihad for about
oh two months and then they realized that i mean that people stopped doing anything so they stopped
checking it now people are back to their old ways yeah i just checked in the uh that that video is up at
freak nick dot willpig dot org oh so it is there yeah it's the uh third video down hmm so you can go
check that out it's about 270 meg another call okay this is schwa z
hello schwa we need to work on this whole we need to get up on this whole uh quickly transferring
him in yeah we do need to right what the heck is it so did we lose our did we lose our caller
um uh live radio
there we go hello schwa hey what's up strom how are you doing well how are you man i'm good oh your
delay actually isn't that bad on the uh from telephone to headphones but i will come off because
it is incredibly annoying um i wanted to call and tell you about the neat day i had today
i was thinking about you when i was at the sbc building um are you were thinking of us we feel
so loved well um you know how it is when you're um i just got this new job where i'm doing mike
breaker maintenance and testing for all sorts of different companies and i have this snazzy little
pass that lets me in sbc buildings and so my boss was giving me a tour today and i got down and there's
this old room in the basement at uh sac main i live in sacramento area and you go in this room
and it's like everything since the dawn of phones like a strong would have busted a nut all over the
place i don't know if i can even take him in there it might not be safe um i wish i had you with me and
you could explain to me exactly what everything um had done but uh i don't know of course it made me
think of you i wanted to call in cool so what was in there were there like operator boards and whatnot
okay you know that book that we were looking at the other day um or the other day back when i
used to live at your place and you were showing me all those uh like old robotic switch gears
yeah yeah yeah the telephone system book i there was those physically in there there was um
operator switch panels where they would take the cords and connect you physically
to another line um a bunch of really neat old books from like 1910 1920 on telephony um
unfortunately i didn't get to spend much time in there but i'm gonna have to take you for a tour
when you come visit i will i will i will report this is in sacramento
yeah exactly so so like where is this located and what what is this stuff doing there
they keep it and they put it on display i guess um every once in a while they'll have a
a little fair outlining the uh history of telephony and then they'll take all this stuff
out and put it on display but it's weird it's just kind of like haphazardly piled
in this little storage room in a basement in a pretty much unmanned building a big sbc building
downtown really has no significant human presence other than general contractors that go in there
else is dealt with remotely in the north operating center and operating center and it's just so
there's rooms randomly filled with weird shit there and that's one of the things i discovered
today that's cool and jittery yeah hey that's what we get when we're using voip voip is fun yeah
voip voip voip oh i should make it more fun i'll call you on my voip telephone oh boy
while i'm trying to download porn i'm trying to download porn
oh i love how that echoed just that moment
as he as he as he downloads porn yes well cool
yeah so expect a tour of that when you come up
so we'll hopefully get pictures of that for all of our telephone geeks
oh yeah i'll have to uh sneak a camera in there
definitely
i'm going to have to break the rules for that yeah i'm sure you're not supposed to be talking
about it on hacker tv hacker radio shows so
i think it's fine they won't know who i am
sure they won't unless they have one of these content filtering device on the edge
no it's totally fine i'm i'm only on an sbc telephone that i'm calling in like an sbc service
from while i'm listening to you guys streamed on my sbc dsl connection not a problem
we're owned we just like i'm sure he's like going to get disconnected like right now
now sbc sbc swat teams are going to be coming in and like black helicopters
black helicopters of course with the sbc logo on it this reminds me of that image that uh that
that
ah see lord lord knows what has happened
who knows what has happened to the brave brave person there horrible
sorry my phone rang
it's very fortuitous that he's hung up because it's just kind of about time to wrap up
yeah i think so too
yes
yeah yeah i think i think it's wrap-up time
everyone's just sort of dead quiet here
yeah this is one of the least talkative episodes have been rev radio ever
yeah we've dropped off to 24 listeners we are uh we're losing them fast
shame on them well we have we enjoy those 24 hardcore listeners plus it's scary you know
people are people are staying up past their bedtime they gotta go to bed
twinkies for everyone yes all right i'm going to go into announcements here
um been rev meeting southern california in victorville hesperia apple valley area
uh
calis plus meeting at gmail.com and that's sort of been about a month so we're gonna have to take
that off the announcements next week yeah
uh and also merck might be setting up a meeting in the 301 202 area code dc in the suburbs that would
be merck m-e-r-k at twatech.org and of course um ask him more information or you want to help
whatever and we can't forget luminaires uh meeting in where do you say ontario or toronto or something
yes toronto yeah toronto ontario canada if you're interested send email to him at
salvea at gmail.com that's s-a-l-v-e-y-a at gmail.com
either way uh also uh first friday of the month this week so 2600 meetings boston 2600 will be meeting
at the prudential food court starting around 5 5 30 or so i will be there in all my glory
and uh la 2600 will be at at starting at union station at 5 p.m pacific standard time
uh moves to philippe's at 1001 north alameda at 7 p.m pacific time and then we go to the denny's
on ramirez street at 10 p.m pacific standard time and also another announcement if you've forgotten
i know some of you out there probably live in a world where this doesn't make a difference but uh
change your wristwatch we change from daylight to standard time on sunday and i i wouldn't
bother to announce this but because of our snafu earlier with going on live because somebody forgot
to change the time from daylight to standard uh you you would do well to double check your wristwatches
and everything and make sure that if you were in a time zone that does daylight savings time
uh change it to standard time now i'll have to check my servers now because now i'm not sure if
they're all saying i i know my desktop and my computer at work updated fine along with my laptop but
other than that it's all just kind of normal i'll check my other laptop nope see my other laptop is
messed up it thinks it's 11 53 right now oh dear i'll have to fix that um
shouts got shouts from uh yeah let's see odd flux begged and pleaded for shouts so shout to odd flux
oh pardon me a side zone uh yeah i got a few um sin shard uh send shouts out to pseudonym
uh pucky hoberry and uh guy i met up at a freak nick low tech mystic that'll do it for me
i'm not sure if troops is currently on he said he fell off i'm still here oh he's still here thank god
true yeah i got a shout out to uh y'all for letting us be on the show even though we didn't really talk
a lot uh shout out to uh iron geek the newest member of the little infonomicon um buddy club
uh we haven't come up with a cool name for that yet uh shout out to patrio and low tech mystic for
helping out with some of the stuff that we're doing and all the people that are helping out with swat i
i appreciate all the help y'all give me indeed indeed um me i'll send shouts out to koresh uh by the
way koresh actually sent me in that it's michael lynn who was the uh person at black hat that got
pwned by cisco in the fbi and he also wants me to announce that koresh's asterisk service is up and
running and apparently just experienced the wonders of asterisk and he's very proud of it
i'll also send shouts out to uh gi joe who's just catching the end of bin rev radio just popped
on and i am to me apparently he has too much better stuff to do to uh going to college and everything
shame on him uh site of the week is uh open pbx.org open proper bravo x-ray as in private branch
exchange it's a fork of the asterisk code it looks interesting but i'm i'm not going to run
it just yet i'll wait and watch they have to prove themselves first asterisk leaves me a nice
warm fuzzy feeling i don't want to lose that yeah it it looks interesting where they've got some
really bizarre ambitions for what they want to do with the code so it's like just figure out what you
want to do first then figure out what candy you want to add yes it's it i i think they're just kind
of suffering from uh we have this brand new project what can we do with it yeah i think they're just
going to uh i think they're going to come out and i hope they're going to actually do well um email
radio at bin rev.com and our voicemail do you want to get the voicemail number out yeah voicemail
numbers are actually the same as the common lines you can call toll-free within the u.s i'll repeat it
again even though i've said it a million times uh within the u.s 800-732-0442 and uh outside the u.s
213-415-1047 what's what's our closing music tonight there strom our closing music is from
epitonic.com it's a guy named jeremy robson and this is the tetris piano concerto in a minor
that's that's that's epitonic.com had that yeah epitonic.com had the tetris piano concerto in a
minor it sounds bizarre but it is really really cool well that'll be interesting to listen to
so i think that's going to wrap it up and uh we'll just as always we'll see you next week same hack
time same hack channel
Thank you.