WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.820 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.220 --> 00:14.900 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:14.900 --> 00:15.860 in a fag pose. 00:16.100 --> 00:21.080 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. 00:21.260 --> 00:25.840 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:25.840 --> 00:31.840 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.060 --> 00:37.740 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.080 --> 00:42.900 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.180 --> 00:46.900 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.240 --> 00:51.500 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:51.600 --> 00:55.660 You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:55.840 --> 01:00.120 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back? Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.360 --> 01:02.880 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.340 --> 01:05.920 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:06.480 --> 01:10.300 Serial code, source code, ISO, RAM, SIP. 01:10.300 --> 01:17.820 Hello and welcome to Binary Evolution Radio episode number 126 for, what is today, the 13th of December 2005. 01:18.400 --> 01:20.980 You even wrote it in the show notes, I mean, jeez. 01:21.300 --> 01:23.140 Yeah, well I wasn't looking at it at the time. 01:23.500 --> 01:27.400 Well, you normally say, oh, you don't write it in the show notes, I don't know what date it is. 01:27.480 --> 01:28.460 It's right there. 01:29.020 --> 01:29.720 Blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:29.720 --> 01:31.040 You can't complain about anything. 01:31.200 --> 01:31.480 Blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:31.480 --> 01:33.220 I wrote the damn show notes, okay? 01:33.220 --> 01:34.140 Why are you complaining? 01:35.220 --> 01:37.640 Because you didn't remember what the damn date it is, and you wrote it. 01:37.640 --> 01:38.560 Oh, Christ. 01:38.780 --> 01:40.140 Hey guys, we have a radio show. 01:40.640 --> 01:41.360 Oh, shit. 01:42.500 --> 01:42.800 Welcome to you. 01:42.800 --> 01:43.980 Okay, take two, ready to go. 01:44.060 --> 01:44.820 Welcome to you. 01:44.820 --> 01:45.000 Two. 01:45.000 --> 01:50.740 Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number 126 for 13th of December 2005. 01:51.420 --> 01:52.760 I'm Strom Carlson. 01:53.400 --> 01:54.320 I'm Black Ratchet. 01:54.980 --> 01:57.000 And I am MC Squared. 01:57.480 --> 02:00.820 Oh, yeah, we're going to do our, oh, gangster names, or, oh, shit, what the. 02:00.980 --> 02:06.740 Oh, yeah, our uber elite blogger, podcaster, nerdcore. 02:06.780 --> 02:07.960 Nerdcore handle, yeah. 02:08.360 --> 02:10.140 Yeah, I was going to be MC Phonelot. 02:10.140 --> 02:11.620 Yeah, I'm Rick Octol. 02:15.120 --> 02:15.560 Excellent. 02:15.820 --> 02:17.080 Actually, I'm really Droops. 02:17.960 --> 02:18.260 Yes. 02:19.420 --> 02:21.240 And I'm very happy to be here. 02:22.040 --> 02:23.640 Yeah, I'm Droops' wife's husband. 02:25.740 --> 02:31.340 And because my wife is so hot, I get to follow Lance James in arguably one of the best Bin 02:31.340 --> 02:32.080 Rev shows ever. 02:32.640 --> 02:36.140 Christ, everyone's talking, I haven't listened to the BinRev show lately, because my iPod's 02:36.660 --> 02:37.360 like next to dead. 02:37.360 --> 02:42.560 And I just, everyone says it's like kicked ass, and I wasn't there, and I'm very sad. 02:43.020 --> 02:43.180 Well. 02:43.280 --> 02:45.020 But I got a house out of the deal, so fuck you all. 02:46.600 --> 02:50.900 Yeah, so, yeah, housekeeping ratchet is back from signing house paperwork. 02:52.640 --> 02:53.780 Almost done with the signing. 02:53.920 --> 02:56.420 I just sort of do signing a little, a little more, but. 02:57.900 --> 02:58.920 Last hurdle. 03:00.220 --> 03:00.440 Yeah. 03:00.800 --> 03:05.600 So, everyone listening, we are streaming live, and tonight is a really awesome topic. 03:05.600 --> 03:09.000 We're talking about new media versus old media. 03:09.160 --> 03:13.060 So, we're kind of talking about blogs and podcasts versus traditional news and print media. 03:13.720 --> 03:17.340 And it's going to probably be a very lively debate after we get through the email and stuff. 03:17.820 --> 03:19.260 I thought we were talking about beer. 03:20.020 --> 03:20.420 Were we? 03:20.980 --> 03:21.340 Yeah. 03:21.740 --> 03:23.460 I mean, that's where I brought my beer. 03:24.100 --> 03:26.400 I mean, Droops had his Jim Bean, and I got my beer. 03:26.400 --> 03:28.920 I think we were just going to drink a lot of beer and not talk about it. 03:29.060 --> 03:30.200 Oh, well, let me grab some Corona. 03:31.400 --> 03:32.760 Corona is out mainstream. 03:32.760 --> 03:35.520 Hey, it's Southern California. 03:36.140 --> 03:36.580 Yeah, true. 03:38.200 --> 03:44.920 So, but yeah, take down this number if you want to call us toll-free within the U.S., 800-732-0442. 03:45.720 --> 03:49.220 Again, 800-732-0442. 03:49.620 --> 03:56.760 Or if you're calling from outside the U.S., it's country code 1-213-415-1047. 03:56.760 --> 04:02.520 So, should we give anything else to talk about? 04:02.520 --> 04:11.280 Oh, actually, well, first I'd just like to do a nice hearty congratulations to Droops, who's now a proud DDP member. 04:11.920 --> 04:12.180 Woo! 04:12.760 --> 04:13.300 Oh, yes. 04:13.720 --> 04:14.740 Congratulations, Droops. 04:15.740 --> 04:16.820 Well, thank you all, fellas. 04:16.820 --> 04:21.340 Yeah, we'll also send shouts out to Locosex, who also was inducted. 04:21.460 --> 04:22.940 We took him down to the basement. 04:23.080 --> 04:23.880 We broke out the paddle. 04:24.740 --> 04:29.560 See, what's funny is Stank told me, like, I had to do favors for him, you know? 04:30.320 --> 04:32.980 And, like, at every con I've seen him at, I do that. 04:33.140 --> 04:34.260 What kind of favors? 04:35.140 --> 04:35.880 Well, you know. 04:35.900 --> 04:38.720 Are we talking something obscenely biological, or? 04:40.580 --> 04:43.380 Well, there was some plastic involved, but, uh. 04:43.380 --> 04:43.860 Hmm. 04:45.300 --> 04:46.780 On the next, Touched by an Angel. 04:47.240 --> 04:48.480 Where did an angel touch you? 04:48.860 --> 04:49.740 Right there. 04:52.080 --> 04:52.820 Oh, man. 04:52.960 --> 04:53.780 Ah, Family Guy. 04:54.340 --> 04:55.160 Shouts to Family Guy. 04:55.220 --> 04:56.500 We'll just send shouts out really early. 04:57.300 --> 05:01.860 Yeah, and even though I co-host the radio show, I'm still kind of sitting here on the sidelines, not in the DDP yet. 05:02.500 --> 05:02.720 So. 05:04.420 --> 05:06.580 And you would be, like, the guy to give him sexual favors. 05:07.180 --> 05:07.860 Yeah, exactly. 05:07.860 --> 05:12.120 I mean, I've offered many times, but. 05:12.720 --> 05:14.040 I really don't want to picture that. 05:18.520 --> 05:22.480 Because Strom already admitted this evening that he masturbates three times a day. 05:23.540 --> 05:23.860 Oh, yeah. 05:24.340 --> 05:26.460 Yeah, we're just breaking all the taboos. 05:26.560 --> 05:27.440 We're talking about alcohol. 05:27.800 --> 05:29.040 I'm watching porn right now. 05:29.900 --> 05:30.900 She's just watching porn. 05:31.040 --> 05:31.740 Yeah, there we go. 05:32.040 --> 05:32.180 Yeah. 05:32.940 --> 05:33.900 Shout out to Jenna Davidson. 05:33.900 --> 05:35.960 I tell our 12-year-old listeners out there. 05:35.960 --> 05:39.000 We're some 12-year-old listeners, so special shouts out to you guys. 05:39.460 --> 05:42.640 We're just, like, deflowering your poor virgin ears. 05:43.660 --> 05:52.040 Yeah, just so everyone knows, cigarettes and porn are bad until you're 18, and alcohol is bad until you're 21. 05:52.160 --> 05:55.280 But after that, they turn into magically cool things. 05:55.920 --> 05:56.420 Hell yeah. 05:57.020 --> 05:57.240 Yeah. 05:58.680 --> 05:59.360 All right. 05:59.500 --> 06:03.040 Well, okay, before we go into further debauchery, let's go into the email. 06:03.040 --> 06:03.640 How about that? 06:03.840 --> 06:05.420 Sounds like a plan to me. 06:05.420 --> 06:09.000 Hey, when someone calls the phone number, is Dr. Zygmunt screening? 06:09.620 --> 06:13.340 Yeah, Dr. Zygmunt is screening tonight, and I tested him, and his audio levels sound good. 06:13.340 --> 06:37.080 Sorry, it was like a surprise email thing, and I couldn't stop it while you continued talking, so... 06:37.080 --> 06:38.800 He just couldn't stop it. 06:38.800 --> 06:39.500 It was horrible. 06:39.860 --> 06:40.180 Ah! 06:40.440 --> 06:41.100 The humanity! 06:43.820 --> 06:45.400 What's our first email tonight there, Strom? 06:45.400 --> 06:47.800 Our first email is... 06:47.800 --> 06:49.300 Hello, Ratchet and Strom. 06:49.700 --> 06:50.040 And troops. 06:50.480 --> 06:51.160 And troops, yes. 06:52.000 --> 06:53.060 Your show kicks ass. 06:53.440 --> 06:55.660 Thanks for the tip on SJPhone a couple weeks ago. 06:55.660 --> 06:58.300 It works pretty well, and beats paying for the X10 version. 06:59.520 --> 07:00.720 On to my hacking story. 07:00.720 --> 07:08.140 I'm currently working with Ultima Linux Slackware to create a turnkey asterisk PBX mini-server install to be released under the GPL. 07:08.860 --> 07:10.860 I would like to include the scripts written by Ratchet. 07:11.640 --> 07:21.400 The idea is to release a full-blown Ultima-based PBX that can run from a USB pen drive, compact flash, or hard disk, remaining under 256 megabytes total size. 07:22.120 --> 07:24.680 I know it's a big challenge, but I'm already close to accomplishing my goal. 07:24.960 --> 07:26.540 Ratchet's scripts would be a fun add-on. 07:26.680 --> 07:27.840 Please let me know if I can add them. 07:28.040 --> 07:29.060 Thank you, DarkSource. 07:29.540 --> 07:31.020 Didn't you GPL those, Ratchet? 07:31.600 --> 07:36.780 I don't think it's actually stated in the code, so I guess that could be a mistake to make. 07:37.080 --> 07:40.860 But, yeah, technically I'm not even sure if I want to release some GPL. 07:40.860 --> 07:46.200 I might be much more into just sort of public domaining them, say, well, you know, whatever. 07:46.660 --> 07:47.920 Whatever you want to do with them, okay. 07:47.920 --> 07:58.020 Actually, something that just got brought to my attention is the scripts are not usable with Festival as a TTS. 07:58.160 --> 08:00.220 You need to have the Cepstrol. 08:00.500 --> 08:01.660 Is that how you pronounce it? 08:01.720 --> 08:02.380 I forget how you pronounce it. 08:02.400 --> 08:02.760 I think it's Cepstrol. 08:02.860 --> 08:03.840 I think they call it Cepstrol. 08:04.060 --> 08:04.640 Yeah, Cepstrol. 08:05.200 --> 08:05.800 Oh, yeah. 08:05.920 --> 08:06.400 Oh, jeez. 08:06.460 --> 08:08.460 They're going to talk about that in my personal hacking story. 08:08.720 --> 08:10.160 I found out some bad things today. 08:11.060 --> 08:12.860 Yeah, but Cepstrol is what you need to do. 08:12.860 --> 08:20.180 Anyway, I think it should be easy to change it over, but you need to code it up. 08:21.420 --> 08:23.100 So, just buy Cepstrol. 08:23.200 --> 08:23.820 Cepstrol is cool. 08:23.940 --> 08:26.620 I like them, and their voices kick ass, but you have to pay for them. 08:26.820 --> 08:28.180 I only want like $20 or $30 or something. 08:28.560 --> 08:29.400 Yeah, I think it's like $30. 08:30.580 --> 08:31.440 Cheap, cheap, cheap. 08:31.940 --> 08:32.240 Yeah. 08:33.620 --> 08:34.500 Our next email. 08:34.500 --> 08:39.360 Dear Ratchet and Strong, I've just finished listening to episode number 125. 08:39.740 --> 08:42.780 I'm left with questions regarding the how and who of phishing. 08:43.280 --> 08:46.280 Can you give me any tips on just who to scam and how I should go about doing it? 08:46.600 --> 08:48.460 I was thinking of scamming rich old people. 08:48.900 --> 08:49.680 They were so gullible. 08:49.940 --> 08:51.060 Do old people use computers? 08:51.580 --> 08:53.820 If so, would it be best to put up a website or send emails? 08:54.260 --> 08:56.720 I'm looking forward to a career as a professional con man. 08:56.800 --> 08:58.640 I would appreciate tips from pros like yourselves. 08:59.440 --> 09:02.320 Thanks, and the name has been omitted to protect the noobs. 09:02.320 --> 09:11.560 My response is, I think you completely missed the point of the show, and you need to grow 09:11.560 --> 09:12.200 the fuck up. 09:13.780 --> 09:19.520 Yeah, that's pretty noobish, and really, phishers are the scum of the internet. 09:20.100 --> 09:21.800 You just don't want to do that. 09:22.400 --> 09:25.980 I can't tell if this was in jest or, I'm hoping it was in jest. 09:28.160 --> 09:29.980 Lord knows what the hell happened in the show. 09:29.980 --> 09:33.780 I wasn't there, but you could be doing all kinds of evil things, talking about how to 09:33.780 --> 09:37.340 hacksaw people and how to drop docks and own stuff. 09:38.060 --> 09:42.200 I think you need to buy Lance James' book and then see what he's trying to do to stop 09:42.200 --> 09:44.420 people and then try to do other things. 09:45.960 --> 09:46.160 Yeah. 09:46.320 --> 09:47.800 If you really want to be a professional con man. 09:47.820 --> 09:51.520 If you want to be a professional con man, you should buy 50 copies of Lance James' book. 09:52.080 --> 09:52.920 At least 50. 09:52.920 --> 09:57.020 Yeah, because, you know, you're going to be making so many notes on them that you're 09:57.020 --> 09:58.400 going to want extra copies just in case. 09:58.400 --> 09:59.940 I mean, it's just going to wear through that book. 10:00.140 --> 10:00.480 Oh, yeah. 10:00.600 --> 10:02.660 Yeah, I mean, the paper is such low quality that, you know. 10:04.500 --> 10:06.780 How to protect my cornhole in prison. 10:08.560 --> 10:09.640 By Strom Carlson. 10:09.720 --> 10:09.900 No. 10:10.540 --> 10:11.500 I've never been to prison. 10:11.500 --> 10:20.060 Actually, can I read the last email because this is something interesting. 10:20.400 --> 10:21.480 Yeah, go ahead and read it. 10:21.780 --> 10:23.360 Okay, this is from LXC. 10:23.720 --> 10:24.520 Hey, what's up? 10:24.580 --> 10:25.680 I listen to your show every week. 10:25.760 --> 10:26.620 I had a few questions. 10:27.200 --> 10:28.340 What happened with Freak Factor? 10:28.720 --> 10:30.120 I heard the box die or something. 10:30.220 --> 10:31.000 When will it be back? 10:31.240 --> 10:32.440 I really enjoyed that show. 10:32.720 --> 10:35.360 It was one of the few shows I could fall asleep to, and I mean in a good way. 10:35.420 --> 10:36.420 It was soothing to listen to. 10:36.740 --> 10:40.760 I tried to fall asleep to BinRev and wound up waking up to Snake Dog's room and got Best 10:40.760 --> 10:40.980 by. 10:41.480 --> 10:43.000 Also, what's the status for the coder? 10:43.080 --> 10:43.740 Any way I can help? 10:45.080 --> 10:50.380 I think Not Theory discussed what was up with Freak Factor in, what was it, 124? 10:51.080 --> 10:51.800 Yeah, I think so. 10:52.920 --> 10:58.760 The show and tell in 124, we put him right on the hot spot about Bell's Mind and Freak 10:58.760 --> 11:02.920 Factor and all the other stuff he's been promising to do, and he did a good job defending himself. 11:03.920 --> 11:08.500 I think Freak Factor right now is still shooting to start after the new year. 11:08.500 --> 11:12.520 Of course, that probably means in Not Theory time, that isn't starting until after February. 11:13.780 --> 11:21.160 Now, as for your second question, regarding a certain person named a coder, this was emailed 11:21.160 --> 11:25.660 last week, and I had to talk to Snake Dog about this to find out certain things and what we 11:25.660 --> 11:26.820 could release to public. 11:26.820 --> 11:33.240 We're basically going to say he's out, he's served his time, and he's laying low. 11:33.600 --> 11:38.380 And basically, we would all like to request everybody to leave him alone, and he'll make 11:38.380 --> 11:40.000 himself known if and when he feels ready. 11:40.340 --> 11:43.880 That's all we're really going to say, and don't bother to coder. 11:46.980 --> 11:47.640 Enough said. 11:47.640 --> 11:52.700 All right, so personal hacking stories. 11:53.800 --> 11:56.960 Yeah, we got like no email this week. 11:57.320 --> 11:57.520 Yeah. 11:57.880 --> 11:58.900 Email us, people. 11:59.140 --> 12:00.760 Radio at BinRev.com. 12:00.860 --> 12:02.480 It's in the goddamn jingle. 12:04.420 --> 12:06.820 Of course, it's all vocoder, so you can't really understand it. 12:07.260 --> 12:07.500 Yeah. 12:07.740 --> 12:10.080 But we even announced it at the end of the show. 12:11.220 --> 12:13.520 And like, maybe they can't understand English. 12:13.520 --> 12:20.340 Maybe all of our listeners are like Lassian immigrants who only speak Russian. 12:20.480 --> 12:21.080 Yeah, don't speak English. 12:21.840 --> 12:26.160 Oh, oh, this is, I guess you could, I don't know, I guess you could say, we'll just sort 12:26.160 --> 12:27.660 of segue into personal hacking stories. 12:29.020 --> 12:29.860 I'll start off. 12:30.200 --> 12:32.060 Our Frapper map hit 100 people. 12:32.740 --> 12:34.340 Not actually, this actually happened yesterday. 12:34.460 --> 12:36.700 I'm curious what happened lately. 12:36.880 --> 12:42.560 I'm sure if more people hit it, but we hit 100 people, mostly within the US-48, some within 12:42.560 --> 12:48.000 Canada, a lot of people in Europe, a little bit surprised, and one lone person in Hawaii. 12:48.140 --> 12:48.780 I forget his handle. 12:50.320 --> 12:51.460 We have it right in front of us. 12:51.600 --> 12:52.300 You can, you can. 12:52.720 --> 12:54.660 I don't, I don't have the link in front of me. 12:54.700 --> 12:55.600 Oh, well, let me pull it up. 12:57.220 --> 12:59.480 Yeah, so, yeah, that was cool. 13:02.060 --> 13:04.160 So, here it comes. 13:04.520 --> 13:04.680 Oh. 13:04.680 --> 13:10.880 One of the three people that's in Australia is a guy named Yalsab, I don't know how to 13:10.880 --> 13:15.260 pronounce it, and he is rewriting the Hacker Media website as we speak. 13:16.040 --> 13:16.360 Cool. 13:16.560 --> 13:19.860 The guy in Hawaii is R4ND, so Rand? 13:21.460 --> 13:22.400 I gotta guess. 13:22.740 --> 13:23.400 Hey, there's somebody. 13:24.300 --> 13:25.680 There's somebody in Bombay. 13:27.080 --> 13:27.800 Bombay, India. 13:27.920 --> 13:28.160 Cool. 13:29.060 --> 13:30.280 The Electron and the Switch. 13:30.280 --> 13:36.180 What's up with GDB Hack Radio? 13:36.280 --> 13:39.080 I can't see how many people are actually listening to the show at this moment. 13:39.680 --> 13:40.300 I owned it. 13:40.920 --> 13:41.660 Oh, you owned it? 13:42.060 --> 13:42.960 Yeah, I owned it. 13:43.380 --> 13:43.940 Oh, ho, ho. 13:45.060 --> 13:48.100 Well, anyway, so, are we still at 100? 13:48.240 --> 13:50.140 Because I can't type the damn URL out. 13:50.360 --> 13:51.340 Yeah, we're at 113. 13:51.960 --> 13:52.400 113. 13:53.160 --> 13:53.520 113? 13:53.620 --> 13:55.620 Well, I don't know, but that's not like since, like, yesterday. 13:56.240 --> 14:00.820 Or the day before, we were at 100, so we're still moving on up to the east side. 14:00.820 --> 14:03.380 I'm still waiting for somebody from Mississippi to post other than me. 14:05.180 --> 14:07.200 Because there's no hacking scene in Mississippi. 14:07.360 --> 14:08.040 What are you talking about? 14:08.780 --> 14:11.360 Well, I have to pay extra to have electricity 24-7. 14:11.540 --> 14:12.680 That might have something to do with it. 14:13.280 --> 14:14.280 You're shitting me, right? 14:14.660 --> 14:15.680 Yeah, I'm shitting you, man. 14:16.220 --> 14:16.680 Oh, okay. 14:16.680 --> 14:28.360 All you guys have is, like, iced tea with, like, too much sugar in it, and collard greens. 14:29.380 --> 14:30.220 Collard greens? 14:30.460 --> 14:30.720 Yeah. 14:31.620 --> 14:31.980 Okay. 14:33.700 --> 14:35.880 Well, it's like, I don't know, mint juleps, too. 14:36.700 --> 14:37.800 I love a mint julep. 14:38.300 --> 14:39.300 I've never had one. 14:39.740 --> 14:41.320 For, like, two years, I had a mint plant. 14:41.440 --> 14:42.660 Wherever I went, it went with me. 14:43.760 --> 14:44.840 That's kind of weird. 14:44.840 --> 14:46.320 Don't you have a flask? 14:47.120 --> 14:47.360 What? 14:47.760 --> 14:49.960 Don't you have a flask that you constantly carry around with you? 14:50.540 --> 14:52.080 Well, I mean, I carry some liquor on me. 14:53.240 --> 14:54.460 Well, there's nothing wrong with that. 14:55.220 --> 14:58.000 Nightlord said Mississippi rules in the IRC channel, so. 14:58.080 --> 14:58.440 Awesome. 14:58.860 --> 15:00.700 I guess you have some kindred spirit somewhere. 15:01.680 --> 15:02.180 Yeah, I think he's just wrong. 15:02.180 --> 15:02.900 I thought he was in Ohio. 15:03.580 --> 15:04.380 Yeah, probably. 15:05.700 --> 15:08.080 This is the drinking episode of BinRev Radio, apparently. 15:08.180 --> 15:11.320 We're talking about mint juleps and beer and Jim Bean and Corona. 15:11.320 --> 15:11.460 You know? 15:12.240 --> 15:18.860 And if anyone wonders what a mint julep is, it's, like, a whole glass full of ice and whiskey, 15:19.180 --> 15:21.620 and then they put some sugar water in it with, like, a mint leaf. 15:24.340 --> 15:25.620 Anyway, they're very strong. 15:25.760 --> 15:26.280 Very good. 15:26.340 --> 15:26.900 That's out for you. 15:27.220 --> 15:27.920 I have to try one. 15:28.420 --> 15:29.560 Getting good and drunk quick. 15:29.960 --> 15:30.320 Yeah. 15:30.320 --> 15:36.020 Anyway, my personal hacking is, I don't really have much for the hacking stories, actually. 15:36.140 --> 15:37.060 I haven't been doing much. 15:37.740 --> 15:38.880 I've been doing Christmas stuff. 15:41.220 --> 15:47.140 Actually, my one story is, apparently, when I redid my server, I lost my Cepstral license 15:47.140 --> 15:51.100 key, and I can't find it anywhere, and I think I'm going to have to rebuy another license 15:51.100 --> 15:51.360 key. 15:52.380 --> 15:54.360 And that makes me very, very sad. 15:54.360 --> 15:59.280 Well, I mean, you could just pretend and just, you know, please register me. 15:59.640 --> 16:04.280 I think I want to try to email them, but they have absolutely nothing on their website about 16:04.280 --> 16:05.860 lost license keys. 16:06.580 --> 16:10.760 And I'm probably going to just have them go hat in hand and say, I lost my license key. 16:10.840 --> 16:12.100 Here's my email address. 16:12.300 --> 16:14.720 Could you please, you know, send me another one? 16:15.660 --> 16:16.980 And it sounds really, really pathetic. 16:19.740 --> 16:22.460 Yeah, but that just, we love Cepstral, and we hate Cepstral. 16:22.460 --> 16:25.180 No, Cepstral is a great company. 16:25.300 --> 16:26.420 It was just my own stupidity. 16:26.800 --> 16:27.140 Oh, okay. 16:27.540 --> 16:30.320 And it installs in Slash Opt, out of all places. 16:30.640 --> 16:32.400 So that's something that I did not back up. 16:32.540 --> 16:34.900 We need the Ha Ha, You're a Noob song, or something. 16:35.100 --> 16:40.600 If any of you aspiring composers out there want to compose a Ha Ha, You're a Noob jingle, 16:40.860 --> 16:43.940 then I can have it on my soundboard. 16:45.400 --> 16:48.420 Actually, I can do the soundboard now, because I have a full asterisk box. 16:48.500 --> 16:48.960 It's amazing. 16:49.600 --> 16:50.760 Ooh, oh, is that back up now? 16:51.320 --> 16:55.080 Actually, well, it can be up, but I didn't have it hooked up right now. 16:55.660 --> 16:56.000 Oh, okay. 16:57.380 --> 16:59.320 Otherwise, we'd be hearing Stank Dog right now. 17:01.080 --> 17:02.040 Strom, what have you been doing? 17:03.500 --> 17:05.500 I've been doing final exams. 17:05.620 --> 17:06.800 I haven't been doing much hacking, really. 17:07.600 --> 17:08.540 Yes, I know that feeling. 17:09.340 --> 17:10.640 But I'm drinking a beer now. 17:11.200 --> 17:12.060 That's always a plus. 17:12.420 --> 17:12.660 Yes. 17:15.660 --> 17:15.980 Droops. 17:15.980 --> 17:18.840 Well, man, I have been doing all kinds of mess. 17:19.540 --> 17:22.460 And we just got another Infenomicon TV out the other day. 17:23.820 --> 17:24.640 Is this you? 17:25.200 --> 17:25.680 What's that? 17:26.080 --> 17:26.460 Go ahead. 17:26.960 --> 17:30.300 Oh, and I'm working on the Bubba Hacks Christmas special, 17:30.960 --> 17:34.680 which should be released either the day before Christmas or Christmas Day 17:34.680 --> 17:38.220 as a Christmas gift to everyone if you like Bubba Hacks. 17:38.220 --> 17:41.660 And if you don't like them, then don't worry about it. 17:42.440 --> 17:43.640 And we're also... 17:43.640 --> 17:44.200 Oh, go ahead. 17:44.480 --> 17:45.240 Oh, go ahead, man. 17:45.540 --> 17:47.880 No, personally, I can say that I don't know who Bubba Hacks is 17:47.880 --> 17:49.780 because I really don't pay attention. 17:50.740 --> 17:52.240 Well, you should watch Infenomicon TV. 17:52.980 --> 17:55.560 Yeah, I mean, I have all the stuff downloaded, 17:55.720 --> 17:56.780 but I just... 17:56.780 --> 17:59.520 I've been falling asleep on the bus for, like, the past, like, month, 17:59.580 --> 18:02.760 and that's normally where I watch all of my stuff. 18:02.760 --> 18:04.380 And I've never actually watched Infenomicon. 18:04.520 --> 18:06.300 Hell, I haven't even watched Hack TV 3 yet. 18:08.620 --> 18:09.580 Yeah, yeah. 18:10.000 --> 18:10.820 I'm a noob. 18:10.900 --> 18:11.460 I'm a noob. 18:12.100 --> 18:12.980 Noob, noob, noob, noob. 18:12.980 --> 18:14.800 And this is, like, the independent media show. 18:15.860 --> 18:17.940 And, like, you're not even paying attention. 18:18.840 --> 18:20.480 I listen to radio shows because, like... 18:20.480 --> 18:24.300 Well, not lately because my iPod died, like, yesterday. 18:24.700 --> 18:25.920 That's my other hack story. 18:26.180 --> 18:27.120 Well, hell, I should talk. 18:27.180 --> 18:29.580 I'm, like, I didn't even listen to this radio show 18:29.580 --> 18:31.120 before I agreed to co-host it. 18:31.120 --> 18:33.180 Well, I mean, I listen to... 18:33.180 --> 18:34.680 I listen to... 18:34.680 --> 18:36.000 I listen to twat. 18:37.120 --> 18:39.120 Which actually reminds me, I need to go make an episode. 18:39.780 --> 18:40.840 You need to go make a twat. 18:41.440 --> 18:42.340 Yeah, I need to go make one. 18:42.980 --> 18:43.440 Let's do a twat. 18:43.620 --> 18:44.240 Twats are fun. 18:44.980 --> 18:45.880 Yeah, no, they're fun. 18:46.000 --> 18:46.860 I'm going to... 18:46.860 --> 18:48.160 I actually shouldn't... 18:48.160 --> 18:49.260 I shouldn't say it out loud. 18:49.260 --> 18:52.920 I'm not going to flip my topic out early. 18:53.280 --> 18:54.400 Just keep everyone guessing. 18:56.240 --> 18:57.920 It's going to be phone-freaking-related. 18:58.040 --> 18:58.540 How about that? 19:01.120 --> 19:04.800 And, uh, we've been working on our Linux distribution a lot. 19:05.200 --> 19:06.980 Me and Mr. Nightlord have been working on that. 19:08.320 --> 19:11.860 And, uh, Nightlord set us up a gallery today at infinomicon.org 19:11.860 --> 19:15.160 for us to post funny pictures and whatever else we have. 19:16.240 --> 19:18.420 And people have been sending us all kinds of good stuff, 19:18.480 --> 19:19.440 and we're going to put it up there. 19:19.860 --> 19:22.560 Because even though the show has died, people seem to like it still. 19:24.120 --> 19:24.780 Don't losers. 19:25.520 --> 19:25.880 I know. 19:25.980 --> 19:28.080 And we're coming out with a Christmas episode of the radio show, too, 19:28.240 --> 19:29.300 which should be out pretty soon. 19:30.020 --> 19:30.800 Is, uh... 19:30.800 --> 19:32.100 Oh, shoot. 19:32.340 --> 19:32.660 What is it? 19:33.040 --> 19:34.200 Um, can't remember his name. 19:34.500 --> 19:34.780 Obfuscated. 19:34.860 --> 19:35.280 Going to be there? 19:35.940 --> 19:36.720 No, no. 19:37.280 --> 19:38.080 Ah, shucks. 19:39.940 --> 19:40.260 Maybe. 19:40.500 --> 19:40.920 I don't know. 19:41.300 --> 19:43.960 Yeah, I'm looking for the return of Obfuscated. 19:44.200 --> 19:47.040 I tried to get in touch with him to, uh... 19:47.040 --> 19:48.220 You know, come on this show with us. 19:49.180 --> 19:51.020 Or at least call in, but I couldn't get in touch with him. 19:51.900 --> 19:52.600 Oh, see? 19:52.880 --> 19:55.640 He lost his chance to make the triumphant return to the hacking scene. 19:56.080 --> 19:56.320 Yeah. 19:56.880 --> 19:58.120 And it's just sad. 19:58.260 --> 19:59.200 Just sad, just sad. 19:59.900 --> 20:00.800 It's a sad day. 20:01.980 --> 20:02.340 Awesome. 20:03.160 --> 20:03.540 Mm-hmm. 20:04.720 --> 20:07.440 And I've been learning about PBXs and asterisks and all that mess. 20:08.420 --> 20:09.580 Some people think it's cool. 20:09.660 --> 20:10.060 I don't know. 20:11.060 --> 20:11.580 Oh, God. 20:11.620 --> 20:12.580 Who uses asterisks? 20:12.580 --> 20:13.900 This place sucks. 20:14.500 --> 20:14.800 Program. 20:14.940 --> 20:15.680 Who wants to use that? 20:15.980 --> 20:17.720 Yeah, that stupid PBX thing. 20:17.720 --> 20:19.040 Who would want a PBX? 20:19.180 --> 20:19.880 I don't know. 20:20.420 --> 20:20.900 And you know... 20:20.900 --> 20:22.040 You can use something that's Windows-based. 20:22.660 --> 20:23.060 Exactly. 20:25.160 --> 20:30.560 Next thing you know, people are going to be running asterisk on Gen 2 and using VoIP with it. 20:30.720 --> 20:32.160 And thus, the trifecta is completed. 20:32.260 --> 20:36.500 We have mentioned iPods, VoIP, and Gen 2 all in the episode. 20:36.640 --> 20:41.940 Yeah, the running joke is that I think every episode is only about iPod, Gen 2, and asterisk. 20:41.940 --> 20:49.620 For those of you who haven't been paying attention to every previous episode, except for last week, because I wasn't here. 20:49.880 --> 20:50.040 Yeah. 20:50.220 --> 20:51.820 Actually, I think... 20:51.820 --> 20:57.440 I'm not entirely sure on this one, but I think last week we did not mention either iPod or Gen 2. 20:58.160 --> 20:58.640 Shame on you. 20:58.640 --> 21:02.940 I think we mentioned asterisk, but we didn't mention either iPod or Gen 2, so plus one us. 21:04.120 --> 21:10.580 You know, I think that you mentioned it, and you said, we always mention this on the show, asterisk and Gen 2. 21:11.060 --> 21:11.440 Did I? 21:12.000 --> 21:12.560 I don't know. 21:12.600 --> 21:13.260 I don't remember now. 21:13.460 --> 21:13.700 Yeah. 21:14.260 --> 21:16.140 Well, either or I'll have to go back and... 21:16.140 --> 21:17.660 No, Ratchet, you haven't listened to it yet. 21:18.120 --> 21:18.640 No, I haven't. 21:18.640 --> 21:22.020 When you listen to it, when you listen to it, you take note of if I mention either of those things. 21:22.380 --> 21:23.860 Okay, I'll be sure to do that. 21:23.880 --> 21:24.060 And you reported to that this week. 21:25.420 --> 21:31.860 I have a field assignment, and I can report about my personal hacking story about how I sat at work and listened to BINREV125. 21:32.860 --> 21:35.440 This is Ratchet Reporting for BINREV News. 21:35.620 --> 21:36.760 This is based on show notes. 21:39.600 --> 21:40.140 That's what you do. 21:40.180 --> 21:40.760 We should have a teletype. 21:40.760 --> 21:44.760 We should have teletypes and hook that up to asterisk, and that's how we can send out the show notes. 21:45.860 --> 21:46.620 Oh, hold on. 21:46.620 --> 21:47.820 I'm getting an update. 21:48.640 --> 21:50.460 One second. 21:52.240 --> 21:54.040 Those things were so badass. 21:54.460 --> 21:54.860 Oh, yeah. 21:56.240 --> 21:57.700 I want a teletype now. 21:58.280 --> 21:59.120 Who doesn't? 21:59.600 --> 22:03.420 In really old Doctor Who episodes, they would have something like that. 22:04.280 --> 22:06.900 And it would be like the latest, greatest space-age technology. 22:07.540 --> 22:11.380 And then it would print out the communications. 22:12.400 --> 22:12.840 Awesome. 22:13.160 --> 22:15.340 We can pioneer TOIP, teletype over IP. 22:15.920 --> 22:16.400 Hell, yeah. 22:16.400 --> 22:18.660 Oh, well, what was it? 22:18.720 --> 22:24.900 It was, um, I was, what did I see when I, it wasn't like one of those old giant, like, World War II teletypes. 22:24.900 --> 22:29.540 But it was a, I was going for a job interview at an ISP. 22:29.640 --> 22:32.600 This was back in 96, 97. 22:32.860 --> 22:33.180 Yikes. 22:33.320 --> 22:34.000 I feel old now. 22:34.900 --> 22:44.560 And I didn't get the job, but he was taking me on a tour, and he was, I just walked right by something, and I didn't really notice what it was until I just snapped my head around and realized that it was a teletype. 22:44.560 --> 22:47.600 And it was just a keyboard, and it had the acoustic coupler on it. 22:47.620 --> 22:48.860 And I was like, wow. 22:50.020 --> 22:52.100 I think it was made by digital, if I'm not mistaken. 22:57.500 --> 22:58.720 So, yeah. 22:58.940 --> 22:59.360 Get it. 22:59.480 --> 22:59.660 Yeah. 22:59.940 --> 23:01.100 Not even a response. 23:01.160 --> 23:02.340 That kind of hurts my feelings. 23:02.880 --> 23:03.500 Ooh, deck. 23:03.660 --> 23:04.100 Oh, my G. 23:04.140 --> 23:04.900 OMG, deck. 23:05.440 --> 23:06.000 Yeah, deck. 23:06.000 --> 23:07.060 Digital equipment corporation. 23:07.060 --> 23:15.260 Okay, so we're just sort of ranting and rambling, although we just sort of, we did sort of squeeze the email in record time. 23:15.440 --> 23:15.680 Yeah. 23:16.360 --> 23:17.000 20 minutes. 23:17.100 --> 23:18.200 Boy, we've got the lot of stuff to fill. 23:18.260 --> 23:19.540 Maybe this will just be an hour episode. 23:19.880 --> 23:23.280 Yeah, well, I mean, we've got a lot of stuff to argue about, so. 23:23.320 --> 23:24.040 True, true. 23:24.440 --> 23:27.140 And hopefully we'll get people calling in. 23:27.760 --> 23:33.300 The number, again, for those of you who aren't calling in, is 800, excuse me, beer. 23:33.300 --> 23:39.520 The number, if you're in the U.S., is 800-732-0442. 23:39.640 --> 23:45.600 Again, that's toll-free, so you have no excuse not to call 800-732-0442. 23:46.300 --> 23:48.420 I think I sounded really creepy when I just said toll-free. 23:50.120 --> 23:50.800 Toll-free! 23:52.540 --> 23:53.340 And if you're calling from... 23:53.340 --> 23:53.960 I'll go get some ice. 23:54.040 --> 23:54.580 I'll be right back. 23:54.800 --> 23:55.140 All right. 23:55.140 --> 24:03.400 And if you're calling from outside the U.S., the number is country code 1-213-415-1047. 24:03.780 --> 24:09.020 I repeat, 1-213-415-1047. 24:09.660 --> 24:13.000 I promise we'll have something easy to remember eventually. 24:15.180 --> 24:16.580 666-BINROVE. 24:16.820 --> 24:17.120 Yes. 24:19.340 --> 24:22.540 Actually, I always think that I should get something in the 666 exchange. 24:22.540 --> 24:24.920 Much like somebody else, but... 24:24.920 --> 24:27.280 I love the 666 exchange. 24:27.880 --> 24:29.840 It's a beautiful place to have a phone number. 24:30.100 --> 24:31.180 Yeah, it's just... 24:31.180 --> 24:33.440 It's like the one that's owned in, like... 24:33.440 --> 24:35.640 It's all owned by a certain Sealec in my area. 24:36.040 --> 24:36.500 Like, is it? 24:37.020 --> 24:37.240 Yeah. 24:37.400 --> 24:38.300 The same Sealec, too. 24:38.360 --> 24:39.400 It's like the old one 666. 24:39.680 --> 24:40.560 And I'm just like, what the fuck? 24:41.520 --> 24:43.740 I can't tell if they just own a thousand block, though, or something. 24:43.840 --> 24:44.160 I don't know. 24:44.400 --> 24:45.420 I can lurk it up for you. 24:45.480 --> 24:46.900 I'm sure it's probably like a SatanCon or something. 24:48.020 --> 24:48.340 SatanCon! 24:48.840 --> 24:49.460 Do-do-do-do! 24:51.180 --> 24:52.360 Please enter your number. 24:53.100 --> 24:53.380 Anyway. 24:54.180 --> 24:55.900 So, calls that are cheap. 24:56.220 --> 24:58.420 All you have to pay is your soul. 24:58.800 --> 24:59.800 Unlimited long distance. 24:59.940 --> 25:00.540 Just your soul. 25:02.260 --> 25:06.180 So, our topic this evening is old media versus new media. 25:06.280 --> 25:10.160 And this topic actually grew out of a conversation I had with somebody, like, a couple weeks ago. 25:10.600 --> 25:19.460 We were talking about the merits of blogging and podcasting versus New York Times and, like, NBC news. 25:19.460 --> 25:24.680 And I must admit that I'm – I don't watch TV at all. 25:25.060 --> 25:28.420 I mean, I haven't owned a TV set in three years, and I don't watch TV news. 25:28.820 --> 25:35.220 The only mainstream media news that I really pay any regular attention to is the CBS radio network. 25:35.220 --> 25:36.820 I listen to KNX here in Los Angeles. 25:37.480 --> 25:42.180 And I read stuff online, but it's through Google News. 25:42.520 --> 25:46.420 And, like, pretty much I just read whatever happens to be relevant at the time. 25:46.500 --> 25:48.360 I don't favor one source over another. 25:48.360 --> 25:51.040 How about you, Ratchet? 25:52.200 --> 25:54.800 Oh, well, I sort of have a mix here. 25:55.780 --> 26:01.820 I do Google News, and I also – I watch my local – I think it's an ABC affiliate, I think. 26:01.960 --> 26:03.320 It's Channel 5 in Boston. 26:03.540 --> 26:07.260 I usually watch that in the morning – or, sorry, in the evening when I'm having my dinner. 26:07.260 --> 26:14.840 But mostly I get a lot of my news through WBZ, which is our local news radio affiliate in Boston. 26:16.000 --> 26:18.660 And I think they're ABC radio news, if I'm not mistaken. 26:19.960 --> 26:26.160 Which is weird because, actually, WBZ-TV is the NBC affiliate, but they still use ABC news for the radio. 26:26.660 --> 26:26.860 Weird. 26:27.560 --> 26:28.740 Yeah, like, what the fuck? 26:29.120 --> 26:31.320 I like the CBS radio news jingle. 26:31.540 --> 26:33.740 Bom, bom, bom, bom, ba, bom. 26:34.300 --> 26:34.700 No. 26:35.900 --> 26:36.680 I forget whatever. 26:37.700 --> 26:39.900 Not trailer, intro, whatever you want to call it. 26:41.140 --> 26:48.140 But anyway, yes, but I go through Google News, and I do frequent a few weblogs and such. 26:48.340 --> 26:51.480 And we have, you know, troops over here, Mr. Internet Media himself. 26:52.340 --> 26:53.360 Is he back from getting ice? 26:53.880 --> 26:54.180 Yes. 26:54.780 --> 26:55.520 Yeah, thank God. 26:56.120 --> 27:01.640 So, Mr. Internet Media yourself, tell us what kind of sources you get your news from. 27:01.920 --> 27:06.580 Well, man, I don't have a television that's hooked up to anything other than my computer. 27:07.260 --> 27:11.300 So that we can watch shows that we've legally downloaded. 27:15.140 --> 27:17.200 Like Desperate Housewives. 27:17.640 --> 27:20.400 You're going to keep a straight face when he says it, so that's just really bad. 27:20.660 --> 27:22.440 You need to work on that before you go through the jury. 27:22.440 --> 27:26.000 I, um, I downloaded it legally. 27:26.220 --> 27:36.440 Well, I spend a lot of time cuddling up with my iPod, and I spend a lot of time listening to radio, like Mississippi Public Broadcasting or BBC Radio. 27:36.440 --> 27:44.980 And I listen to news on that, so I get my local politics, this, that, and the other, from, you know, Mississippi. 27:45.500 --> 27:49.140 And that's all that really matters to me, because I don't really have a voice in things. 27:49.520 --> 27:54.720 And I have a lot of really cool things to talk about whenever you all really want to get into the goodness. 27:54.720 --> 27:58.860 Well, let's get into the history of blogs and podcasting, I guess. 27:59.200 --> 28:09.640 I looked up on Wikipedia and figured, oh, there's got to be some really quick and simple history of blogs and podcasting that I can just pull up and stick in here and read back. 28:09.720 --> 28:16.340 But it was, like, all really self-congratulatory and blah, blah, blah, and very self-aggrandizing and irritatingly smarmy. 28:16.340 --> 28:17.860 So I kind of cut it down a bit. 28:18.460 --> 28:19.420 Much like every media source. 28:19.840 --> 28:20.100 Yes. 28:20.240 --> 28:25.400 Well, I'll get into my problem with the blog thing later. 28:25.540 --> 28:34.860 But anyway, the basic history of blogs is that people, pretty much since the web showed up, have been posting things on web pages. 28:35.120 --> 28:37.740 Like, JWZ's got rants dating back to, like, 1994. 28:38.500 --> 28:42.940 But the term web blog was initially coined in December of 1997. 28:42.940 --> 28:47.700 And the word blog happened in April or May of 1999. 28:48.900 --> 28:53.780 The first, apparently the first, one of the first blogging sites is Zynga.com. 28:53.840 --> 28:55.320 That was launched in 1996. 28:56.020 --> 28:56.260 Really? 28:56.320 --> 28:57.220 That was launched in 96? 28:57.940 --> 28:58.260 Yeah. 28:58.640 --> 29:00.180 That's what Wikipedia claims anyway. 29:00.620 --> 29:01.020 Wow. 29:01.420 --> 29:01.900 Holy cow. 29:01.960 --> 29:02.620 I never knew that. 29:02.760 --> 29:02.900 Yeah. 29:03.000 --> 29:06.020 I thought they were trying to, I thought they were writing, like, live journals code kills. 29:06.080 --> 29:07.160 That's the first time I heard of them. 29:07.160 --> 29:07.600 Yeah. 29:07.600 --> 29:14.000 Well, I mean, by 1997, they had swelled to the enormous number of 100 diaries online. 29:16.300 --> 29:20.520 But now, as of December 2005, they have 50 million. 29:21.920 --> 29:22.600 That can't be right. 29:24.260 --> 29:25.220 Now it says 50 million. 29:25.220 --> 29:34.700 So, anyway, the blog thing kind of apparently exploded in 1999 when Blogger and Grok Soup launched almost simultaneously. 29:36.300 --> 29:41.900 And now there's, like, you know, 300,000 different varieties of blogging management software stuff. 29:42.920 --> 29:44.980 Well, I must say, I'm pretty, I feel pretty good. 29:45.080 --> 29:50.020 The fact that I actually caught on just before the wave hit, what about my web blog? 29:50.020 --> 29:51.540 Because I started right around 1998. 29:52.080 --> 29:53.280 In one way, shape, or form. 29:53.500 --> 29:54.800 It died repeatedly. 29:56.400 --> 29:59.400 Like, but I've had a web blog since 1998. 29:59.540 --> 30:00.180 And I feel cool. 30:01.320 --> 30:02.020 My first one was just... 30:02.020 --> 30:03.320 That doesn't make you cool at all. 30:03.740 --> 30:05.060 It doesn't make you a geek. 30:07.380 --> 30:08.220 Wait, geeks are cool. 30:09.400 --> 30:10.580 Yeah, that makes you a dork. 30:11.780 --> 30:12.140 Dork. 30:12.700 --> 30:13.500 Dorks are cool. 30:15.380 --> 30:16.820 Now this dork can whoop your ass. 30:17.660 --> 30:18.240 I don't know. 30:18.240 --> 30:19.940 I'm a potty mouth tonight. 30:20.580 --> 30:22.140 We're all potty mouth. 30:22.300 --> 30:23.620 It's the beer and the live. 30:23.620 --> 30:23.820 Beer. 30:24.240 --> 30:24.420 Yeah. 30:25.100 --> 30:26.180 Alcohol is bad. 30:26.940 --> 30:29.480 This episode is brought to you by the letter beer. 30:31.220 --> 30:33.020 Remember, kids, beer. 30:33.580 --> 30:34.440 Never too late. 30:34.700 --> 30:34.880 Yes. 30:35.520 --> 30:35.920 Beer. 30:36.080 --> 30:37.280 It's never too late once you're over 21. 30:39.220 --> 30:41.220 And so, anyway, podcasting. 30:42.000 --> 30:44.120 Apparently the idea has been kicked around for a while, 30:44.120 --> 30:48.360 but actual RSS-based Automagic podcast didn't show up until late 2003. 30:49.000 --> 30:51.620 The term podcast was coined in early 2004, 30:52.120 --> 30:56.540 and now it's, like, the hottest thing since sliced bread to have a podcast. 30:56.620 --> 30:57.500 Wouldn't that be toasted bread? 31:00.380 --> 31:01.920 Toasted pre-sliced bread. 31:02.020 --> 31:02.560 Yes, there we go. 31:02.640 --> 31:05.260 Hottest thing since toasted pre-sliced bread. 31:06.560 --> 31:08.680 And toast is hot, so that actually kind of makes sense. 31:08.680 --> 31:09.740 That's what I was saying. 31:10.380 --> 31:17.920 So, I guess, okay, I guess before we start ragging on blogs and podcasts, 31:18.300 --> 31:20.500 I guess let's go over what we like about them. 31:21.760 --> 31:28.100 I mean, for me personally at least, it's, well, why don't you guys give your viewpoints, 31:28.180 --> 31:28.820 and I'll get into mine. 31:30.760 --> 31:31.700 Groups, you can go first. 31:34.080 --> 31:36.100 Sorry, I was shutting my door so I could smoke out my window. 31:36.100 --> 31:42.380 So, but podcasting, I first found out about it after I started my radio show. 31:43.540 --> 31:49.480 And Kizzle, who was running Hacker Media, or came up with Hackermedia.net at the time, 31:49.940 --> 31:51.760 said, hey, y'all should really podcast your show. 31:52.300 --> 31:54.420 And I looked into it, and I listened to some podcasts, 31:54.500 --> 31:56.300 and I was like, these guys are all wimps. 31:56.360 --> 31:57.920 I don't want to be involved with all this. 31:58.720 --> 32:01.200 And so we didn't, and Kizzle started doing it for us. 32:01.440 --> 32:03.040 And then we started getting a lot of hits, 32:03.040 --> 32:08.700 because it's really, really easy to add something to a podcast feed 32:08.700 --> 32:13.000 as compared to go to oldschoolfreak.com every week and download a show. 32:14.920 --> 32:19.880 And that's also bad, because a lot of people add a show to it 32:19.880 --> 32:21.300 and then listen to it once or twice, 32:21.900 --> 32:24.460 and you're still paying for that bandwidth and getting that hit, 32:24.540 --> 32:25.920 even though they're not listening to it anymore. 32:25.920 --> 32:28.700 So it's hard to judge how many hits you're getting. 32:30.000 --> 32:32.680 And I think it's a really handy idea, as in it's easy, 32:33.120 --> 32:35.060 like an RSS feed, because that's what it is. 32:36.080 --> 32:39.520 And I think it's going to get more and more popular than it is even now, 32:40.240 --> 32:43.840 even though they've got, like, the worst people ever for spokesmen. 32:45.460 --> 32:47.580 Who are the spokesmen for? 32:48.340 --> 32:51.920 Well, there's that MTVJ guy. 32:52.680 --> 32:53.240 What's his name? 32:53.240 --> 32:55.740 Adam Curry. 32:57.060 --> 32:59.840 I'm glad that I say I don't know, thank God. 33:00.500 --> 33:04.920 Adam Curry is, like, the god of podcasting of some sort. 33:05.140 --> 33:09.760 Yeah, someone mentioned him to me, like, just now, like earlier today, 33:09.880 --> 33:11.580 and I had no clue who he was. 33:12.240 --> 33:13.620 Even though he doesn't really do it. 33:13.640 --> 33:16.200 He has a show, but he also has, like, a lot of money. 33:16.840 --> 33:19.360 So he can do, like, a daily show, and it doesn't really affect him. 33:20.880 --> 33:21.880 Like the rest of us. 33:21.880 --> 33:22.240 Yeah. 33:22.460 --> 33:25.100 Well, no, I mean, what was interesting was I remember I said, 33:25.180 --> 33:26.280 who is this Adam Curry person? 33:26.380 --> 33:29.520 The person just, like, I was asking went on and on and on and on, 33:29.560 --> 33:32.200 and, like, never gave me any information, so I just kind of resorted to Wikipedia. 33:33.400 --> 33:33.760 Yeah. 33:34.500 --> 33:37.920 There's naked pictures of his wife up on the Internet, if anybody wants to check them out. 33:38.080 --> 33:38.360 Are there? 33:38.940 --> 33:39.260 Yes. 33:39.840 --> 33:40.160 Sweet. 33:40.560 --> 33:42.080 She's, like, some famous hippie singer. 33:42.700 --> 33:43.500 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 33:44.620 --> 33:45.060 You mean there's... 33:45.060 --> 33:45.900 That I've never heard of. 33:46.220 --> 33:46.460 Hippies? 33:46.460 --> 33:50.160 I'm shocked, though. 33:51.540 --> 33:56.820 But, yeah, like, yeah, so I guess podcasts are, and blogs are pretty good, in my opinion, 33:56.920 --> 33:57.960 just because... 33:57.960 --> 33:59.500 If you want them, it's easy to get them. 33:59.600 --> 34:03.740 Yeah, if you want them, it's easy to get them, and there are a lot of viewpoints, 34:03.840 --> 34:08.820 which I guess the, quote, mainstream media, unquote, would traditionally ignore. 34:08.820 --> 34:13.820 But I'm going to just launch right now into why I think they suck big time. 34:14.180 --> 34:15.020 Oh, I got that, man. 34:17.060 --> 34:22.560 My major problem with blogs and podcasts is that there's a complete lack of credibility. 34:23.560 --> 34:30.380 I mean, the problem really is that, the way I see it, you know, you go to someone, some blog that you like, 34:30.920 --> 34:35.560 there's, I mean, there's no guarantee that what you're reading is even remotely factual. 34:35.560 --> 34:41.600 You know, they're not, the person isn't going to have to cite their sources all the time, 34:42.340 --> 34:45.960 and it's not like there's hardcore investigative reporting going on. 34:46.040 --> 34:48.820 This is just, like, somebody who blogs on the side. 34:48.880 --> 34:56.700 I mean, there are a couple of good blogs, but for the most part, the ease of entry into the whole blogging and podcasting, 34:56.740 --> 35:00.660 I mean, any schmuck with a computer these days can have a blog and a podcast. 35:00.660 --> 35:07.800 And the ease of entry into blogging and podcasting just means that really among, you know, 35:07.800 --> 35:15.320 if you're trying to find good information out there, no one, I mean, there are so many people who will rave about this blog 35:15.320 --> 35:21.140 or rave about that blog, and every blog has its fanboy, and it's impossible to find out which blogs and podcasts 35:21.140 --> 35:24.380 are the really reputable ones and which ones are just, like, total garbage. 35:24.380 --> 35:36.860 So the problem is that there's so much noise now that drowns out all the signal that it's really impossible to figure out 35:36.860 --> 35:38.160 what's credible and what's not. 35:38.240 --> 35:39.320 You don't know who to believe anymore. 35:40.320 --> 35:46.640 There should be an HTML tag for a blog so that when you search Google, you can, like, exclude blogs when you search. 35:46.640 --> 35:50.900 Well, they're actually thinking about that, I believe. 35:51.020 --> 35:52.640 I believe they were talking about... 35:52.640 --> 35:54.420 I copyrighted that, just so you know. 35:55.380 --> 35:57.520 They were talking about that a while ago, so you lose. 35:58.100 --> 36:02.140 They were talking about just having a way of searching Google without returning blog stuff. 36:02.280 --> 36:07.920 But, you know, I actually kind of like the fact that, well, okay, I sometimes like the fact that it returns blog stuff 36:07.920 --> 36:13.920 because, you know, when I'm searching for something, like, oh, geez, I'm having this problem with my Linux system. 36:14.320 --> 36:21.420 Like, sometimes someone will come up and post a blog saying, oh, hey, this is an issue. 36:21.740 --> 36:22.660 I've had this problem. 36:22.760 --> 36:23.660 Here's the way I fixed it. 36:23.680 --> 36:25.500 And I'm like, oh, okay, let me try that way. 36:25.540 --> 36:27.960 And sure enough, nine times out of ten, it actually fixes it. 36:27.960 --> 36:37.380 But, like, when the SSH Brute Forcers first started coming out, I was going, oh, what the hell is this? 36:37.440 --> 36:41.880 And I Googled and I Googled and I Googled and I couldn't really find anything. 36:42.980 --> 36:49.980 But I finally, you know, I finally found a posting on a security list saying, oh, this looks like it's an SSH Brute Forcer. 36:50.160 --> 36:51.300 You know, here's the code. 36:53.160 --> 36:54.820 You basically explained it all out. 36:54.840 --> 36:55.620 I'm like, oh, okay. 36:55.620 --> 37:00.580 And so I just wrote a, back in the day, I wrote a web blog entry about it. 37:01.020 --> 37:05.900 And I can't, personally, I used the term blog, but I just can't really stand it. 37:05.940 --> 37:08.140 I just think it's a stupid, stupid term. 37:08.240 --> 37:09.400 Oh, it's a horrible term. 37:09.540 --> 37:10.480 I mean, blog. 37:11.620 --> 37:13.720 What kind of, it's so dumb. 37:13.860 --> 37:16.440 It lacks, it doesn't sound official. 37:16.560 --> 37:18.680 It sounds like a blog to me. 37:18.720 --> 37:21.760 It sounds like some slimy thing that you keep in your fridge. 37:22.140 --> 37:23.160 Oh, you don't want to step in. 37:23.160 --> 37:29.080 Yeah, like a, yeah, the slimy thing that's in that Tupperware that you haven't opened since 1997. 37:29.480 --> 37:30.440 That's a blog. 37:30.440 --> 37:41.480 So, but anyway, getting back to my story, I, you know, I posted on my web blog saying, oh, well, geez, I was getting these, you know, funky error messages. 37:41.580 --> 37:49.020 And I included a couple lines of my syslog on there saying, you know, password failed for root, password failed for Joe, password failed for whoever. 37:49.020 --> 37:57.660 And, um, and I said, oh, you know, I researched this and I found this web posting and, you know, full disclosure, blah, blah, blah, blah. 37:57.660 --> 38:08.700 And, you know, for a while I actually was, if someone Googled for the, uh, the error message, someone, they get, like, I was number one or number two for a while. 38:08.980 --> 38:12.980 And, you know, I figured that I helped a couple people out and I felt pretty good about myself. 38:13.820 --> 38:15.980 All thanks to the power of web logs. 38:15.980 --> 38:28.460 I mean, the web log thing is, is cool for stuff like that where it's, like, really bizarre, esoteric, and fairly technical information, like, you know, error messages and computer help and whatnot. 38:28.620 --> 38:31.240 You can say, oh, I, I had this problem and I tried this, this fixed it. 38:31.540 --> 38:44.320 But I think the real argument that, that I want to put forth is that blogs are really sucky as, as a way of distributing, you know, more typical news content, current events type stuff. 38:44.320 --> 38:53.540 See, I, I, I don't just, I don't agree with that because, like, there's certain people out there and, I, I, I'm going to go give one of my sites out. 38:53.840 --> 38:55.920 You, you know me, I'm the crazy Republican here. 38:56.340 --> 39:04.920 And, uh, uh, one of my web logs that I view is, uh, michellemalkin.com and she, I, I don't know, I don't even know, I'm pretty sure she must have to do it full time. 39:05.320 --> 39:07.640 But, uh, you know, she, she does pretty good stuff. 39:07.640 --> 39:14.240 I mean, she, she does the news and she does her research and she asks, like, you know, she, she, she, she goes out. 39:14.320 --> 39:15.280 She actually does her work. 39:15.320 --> 39:21.720 And I, I think that's more part of the reason why I actually, you know, view her and actually look at her every day and read her up. 39:21.800 --> 39:29.600 But, uh, with that, I mean, if you actually go out and do your work, you can actually do that as long as you actually provide it in a journalistic manner. 39:29.960 --> 39:34.020 It's, you know, certain people that provide conspiracy theories and crazy shit like that. 39:34.020 --> 39:39.260 And, you know, Bigfoot caused the quake in Indonesia earlier today. 39:39.500 --> 39:41.380 And that, that's, that's a crazy shit. 39:42.220 --> 39:50.620 Well, I think blogs are really handy for getting out information quickly, like breaking news, like the, uh, earthquake in Indonesia or the London bombings in the subway. 39:51.140 --> 39:54.020 You know, there were pictures on blogs hella faster than the news had them. 39:54.260 --> 39:58.960 Yeah, I mean, there were, there were pictures and stuff, but as far as accurate reporting, you know, someone, it's, it's all hearsay. 39:58.960 --> 40:01.420 It's, I mean, well, what do you think real news is? 40:01.500 --> 40:08.460 Well, real news is, yeah, but, but, but the difference is these people are, are employed to at least try and get things correct. 40:08.600 --> 40:12.020 They're employed to try and get, you know, things factually accurate. 40:12.220 --> 40:20.540 And I know that the, the mainstream media has its major flaws because obviously it, they, they focus too much on the sensational and whatnot. 40:20.720 --> 40:27.600 But the problem is that, you know, especially for, for breaking news, a lot of stuff can happen. 40:27.600 --> 40:29.080 And people will post things on blogs. 40:29.180 --> 40:35.860 People, there's a, a huge possibility if people just make stuff up and post on blogs. 40:35.860 --> 40:45.820 And if, if people start trusting blogs as, you know, as accurate and, and useful news sources, if, if, you know, people, where am I going with this? 40:45.820 --> 40:59.780 If people start trusting blogs as accurate, you know, sources of information, it's totally foreseeable that if, you know, that during a major current event, when things are really happening, spur of the moment and happening really quickly. 40:59.780 --> 41:08.620 And there's, you know, there's, you know, there's not a whole lot of time to double check things and it's all happening quicker than you can process it. 41:08.780 --> 41:15.180 There is a huge possibility for complete misinformation to show up and be regarded as fact. 41:15.860 --> 41:16.280 And that's dangerous. 41:16.280 --> 41:27.840 Well, because I think the mainstream media has the same exact problem because, you know, going back to September 11th, I picked up most of my information because I was at work for like the first three hours before they actually sent us home. 41:27.940 --> 41:29.120 But that was kind of disturbing anyway. 41:30.920 --> 41:32.500 Working in a nice tall building, I did. 41:33.140 --> 41:37.280 But I picked up most of my stuff through weblogs. 41:37.280 --> 41:43.180 Weblogs, I think most of my news sources were Fark.com, who was under really heavy load. 41:43.960 --> 41:45.900 Slash.com was intermittently responded all day. 41:46.000 --> 41:57.060 But I think a good portion of my stuff came from the Hard Forums General Mayhem forum, which is just absolutely insane, in my opinion, now that I think about it. 41:57.500 --> 42:01.240 But people over there were just posting saying, well, you know, I heard this. 42:01.380 --> 42:02.120 This is what happened. 42:02.280 --> 42:03.680 You know, I'm looking at it right now. 42:03.800 --> 42:05.340 There seems to be some slight issues with it. 42:05.340 --> 42:08.220 And, you know, there was some misinformation on there. 42:08.480 --> 42:14.480 Someone posted that, oh, geez, I heard a car bomb went off at the State Department. 42:14.860 --> 42:17.920 And, you know, it was hanging out there for a good, like, 15 minutes. 42:17.980 --> 42:21.420 But then someone posted on, I work about two blocks away, and everything's fine. 42:21.480 --> 42:22.440 The main problem is the Pentagon. 42:23.460 --> 42:26.520 So, I mean, there's stuff out there. 42:26.640 --> 42:28.500 And I believe it actually is. 42:31.080 --> 42:33.500 It's more of what you have to consider what's trustworthy. 42:33.500 --> 42:34.900 You have to make that decision. 42:35.340 --> 42:38.080 I mean, I was going on September 11th. 42:38.120 --> 42:40.860 I was just, you know, I was taking everything with a large grain of salt. 42:40.980 --> 42:46.840 Unless, you know, there's someone, a person could post saying, oh, geez, I'm right at this, you know, I'm right at the face of the building. 42:47.080 --> 42:50.880 And there are, you know, evil people coming out and shooting people. 42:51.120 --> 42:52.880 And you can post that. 42:52.920 --> 42:55.680 This guy actually might be in, you know, southern Indonesia for all I know. 42:56.100 --> 42:58.600 But, you know, you could actually post that and say that. 42:58.660 --> 43:00.880 But you just got to take it with a, you know, healthy grain of salt. 43:00.880 --> 43:06.420 But, you know, a lot of these people were actually just coming out and just posting and trying to get information out. 43:07.040 --> 43:09.500 On this topic, we have Javatar on the line. 43:11.680 --> 43:12.260 Are you there, Javatar? 43:12.900 --> 43:13.140 Hello. 43:13.140 --> 43:18.560 Well, you have to do a great blog and everything and all that good stuff. 43:18.720 --> 43:21.540 Well, blogs basically do blow. 43:21.720 --> 43:24.940 I mean, you got to be educated enough to do a little bit of research. 43:24.940 --> 43:38.380 But what I did want to say was that as a complete and utter noob, been in computers for about a year, the podcasts have been just a great thing for me. 43:39.140 --> 43:42.760 I'm back in school at fucking 32 years old. 43:42.760 --> 43:52.140 And being able to hook up with guys like, you know, on the IRC chat room in the free node, the InfoNomicon guys. 43:52.600 --> 43:53.120 Hell yeah. 43:53.120 --> 44:06.140 Just been able to point me in directions and, you know, waste a whole lot of time reading white papers and just learning way more on a computer than I ever could in college. 44:06.140 --> 44:15.460 And being able to listen to InfoNomicon radio, you know, I understand about 60% of it now. 44:15.980 --> 44:17.600 You know, most of it goes over my head. 44:17.980 --> 44:20.520 But, you know what, it's opening my eyes to a lot of stuff. 44:20.900 --> 44:25.660 And honestly, my dumb ass wouldn't have found it without the podcast on iPod. 44:25.800 --> 44:27.460 So, you know, for what it's worth. 44:27.980 --> 44:30.600 Well, hey, this brings up a point that I'd like to talk about. 44:30.740 --> 44:33.400 Is the truthfulness of any of this information really important? 44:33.400 --> 44:37.940 Because as Strom pointed out to me the other day, people are going to listen to whatever they agree with. 44:38.180 --> 44:42.940 Yeah, I mean, do you think that we strike you as an extraordinarily credible news source? 44:43.900 --> 44:46.700 Like, you listen to InfoNomicon radio and that show was horrid. 44:48.140 --> 44:48.500 Horrid? 44:49.600 --> 44:50.600 Define horrid. 44:51.200 --> 44:55.000 I wouldn't call that horrid, but, you know, you basically just... 44:55.000 --> 44:55.280 Come on, define horrid. 44:55.540 --> 45:00.560 Like, Obfuscated and I, or Cotton and I, we're not, like, a credible news source. 45:00.560 --> 45:04.720 Well, I'm not saying, you just re-read New York Times all day. 45:05.840 --> 45:06.900 Well, I should go, motherfucker. 45:07.340 --> 45:09.200 I'm trying to go to a drudge report for news. 45:09.680 --> 45:17.320 I'm trying to be introduced to things that maybe I might not see in school in my stumbling upon with Firefox. 45:18.020 --> 45:19.820 It's just another source. 45:19.980 --> 45:20.800 It's another view. 45:21.560 --> 45:24.040 I don't take it with, you know, it's not gospel. 45:24.840 --> 45:25.300 Hell yeah. 45:25.300 --> 45:27.620 Hell yeah. 45:27.860 --> 45:28.360 Yeah, let me know. 45:28.360 --> 45:28.800 Hell yeah. 45:28.920 --> 45:34.460 I think the problem is that there are a lot of people out there who will listen to this sort of thing and, you know, 45:34.660 --> 45:38.000 and take it as pure fact without bothering to think and think critically. 45:39.080 --> 45:41.240 Well, that's going to happen to anything. 45:42.000 --> 45:43.240 Yeah, that's going to happen to anything. 45:43.600 --> 45:45.540 People as a whole are going to do that. 45:45.540 --> 45:51.260 There's a bunch of right-wing Republicans that think that George Bush is the shit, 45:51.860 --> 45:55.680 and there's a bunch of left-wingers that think, you know, John Kerry is the crap. 45:55.820 --> 45:56.380 Well, yeah, of course. 45:56.500 --> 45:57.540 I mean, people will... 45:57.540 --> 46:01.400 The bottom line is you've got to figure out what you think and go from there. 46:01.580 --> 46:02.960 Yeah, well, I mean, George Bush is the shit. 46:03.340 --> 46:07.860 Well, I mean, the problem is really that people will, in general, listen to whatever propaganda they want to hear. 46:09.000 --> 46:10.040 But, I mean... 46:10.040 --> 46:11.840 So now in Phenomenon, it's propaganda? 46:12.540 --> 46:14.600 Well, no, not necessarily, but, I mean... 46:14.600 --> 46:15.280 I think it is. 46:15.580 --> 46:21.300 There really are a lot of people out there who, you know, who go on their blogs 46:21.300 --> 46:26.580 and they write up what really is propaganda and, you know, pass it off as fact. 46:27.200 --> 46:28.580 Well, this show's kind of propaganda. 46:29.500 --> 46:33.040 But if you listen to something like In Phenomenon Radio, 46:33.600 --> 46:35.940 and then they have a whole bunch of posts at the end, 46:36.240 --> 46:38.060 and you can go and read those posts, 46:38.840 --> 46:42.240 Google the shit and then see if the facts match up. 46:42.240 --> 46:45.180 If it's a bunch of crap, then the guy's full of shit. 46:46.120 --> 46:47.940 Yes, that's a very good point. 46:48.940 --> 46:52.660 I mean, that's part of being just a citizen of the world. 46:52.940 --> 46:54.440 Right, but also, I mean... 46:54.440 --> 46:55.640 The thing that somebody gives you is fact. 46:55.880 --> 46:58.520 Right, but there are a lot of people who won't do that. 46:59.260 --> 47:00.980 Look at Pat Robertson, for example. 47:00.980 --> 47:04.860 He's, the only reason he's on is because, you know, he's got the money 47:04.860 --> 47:10.240 and he's got enough people who blindly believe his propaganda to make him successful. 47:10.900 --> 47:11.980 It's, you know, there's... 47:13.200 --> 47:14.540 Pat Robertson's a good guy. 47:14.600 --> 47:15.220 Leave him alone. 47:15.440 --> 47:18.720 Or whoever the religious nutcase of the week is. 47:19.440 --> 47:22.740 Like Jerry Falwell types, I'm thinking. 47:23.300 --> 47:24.940 Hey, leave Jerry Falwell alone, too. 47:25.460 --> 47:27.300 They're going to lead us to a salvation... 47:27.300 --> 47:31.500 I mean, we could talk about Nazis and Adolf Hitler 47:31.500 --> 47:33.840 and a bunch of people that thought he was right on, too. 47:34.140 --> 47:36.840 There's always going to be extremists to one point or the other. 47:37.240 --> 47:41.200 My whole point was, as a complete noob to computers, 47:42.360 --> 47:45.980 the podcast, which to a bunch of leaked guys, 47:46.200 --> 47:48.000 you know, they want to say, oh, RSS? 47:48.840 --> 47:49.960 Okay, fine, whatever. 47:49.960 --> 47:54.620 But it drew me in and it taught me a whole lot. 47:55.340 --> 48:00.860 And, again, I don't take what DeRupe says as, you know, gospel. 48:01.940 --> 48:06.380 You know, maybe Bubba Redneck or whatever the fuck his name was. 48:06.740 --> 48:10.280 You know, he's right on with his whole hunting for hot spots. 48:10.280 --> 48:16.740 But, I mean, in general, you know, you have to do your research. 48:16.880 --> 48:18.220 I mean, we're a bunch of computer people. 48:18.500 --> 48:20.340 You don't take anything for a fact. 48:20.640 --> 48:23.800 If somebody says something's secure, is that truth? 48:24.140 --> 48:24.360 Mm-hmm. 48:25.660 --> 48:26.060 Right. 48:26.140 --> 48:26.980 Well, I mean, yeah. 48:27.660 --> 48:28.360 That's my opinion. 48:28.460 --> 48:31.620 In my opinion, in $1.25, I'll buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. 48:32.000 --> 48:33.000 So take it for what it's worth. 48:33.260 --> 48:34.400 Well, I'll take you up on that. 48:34.420 --> 48:34.880 You go, too. 48:34.960 --> 48:35.100 Yeah. 48:35.960 --> 48:38.020 I'll take you up on that cup of coffee at Starbucks. 48:38.940 --> 48:39.660 There you go. 48:39.660 --> 48:40.840 All right, guys. 48:41.340 --> 48:41.780 Later. 48:42.220 --> 48:42.780 Later, man. 48:42.800 --> 48:43.740 Thanks for calling in. 48:46.400 --> 48:49.320 That's one of the regulars of my Emponomicon channel on Freenode. 48:49.600 --> 48:49.900 Mm-hmm. 48:50.680 --> 48:52.040 This one brought out Cloutridge in there. 48:52.340 --> 48:53.100 Oh, cool, cool. 48:53.420 --> 48:54.800 In the interest of full disclosure, right? 48:55.020 --> 48:55.880 Freenode sucks. 48:57.360 --> 49:00.340 But he brings up a good point. 49:00.780 --> 49:06.300 I think part of the coolness about blogs is that, well, for some people, that is. 49:06.300 --> 49:08.720 I mean, some people do comments for some reason. 49:08.720 --> 49:15.920 But, like, when you post a story and you say, oh, hey, you know, I checked this out and I did that. 49:16.100 --> 49:22.840 If you go down to the comments every once in a while, some people come up and say, no, well, see, no, I did this stuff and I showed this. 49:22.840 --> 49:25.700 And, you know, they'll provide a completely different counterpoint to it. 49:26.220 --> 49:30.440 And, I mean, when you're talking about the whole mainstream media, there's no real interaction with it. 49:31.740 --> 49:40.240 I mean, the whole thing was, like, it's very much, there's another web blog, but it's an editorial cartoon web blog. 49:40.240 --> 49:41.400 It's called Cox and Forkham. 49:43.160 --> 49:45.240 I don't know how to spell it, but I just have it bookmarked. 49:46.160 --> 49:50.700 But we'll, well, might as well approach this topic right now. 49:51.740 --> 50:01.320 Back in, I forget when it was, it was, like, around October or September of 2004, when, you know, 50:01.320 --> 50:09.440 with the whole political U.S. election season, and 60 Minutes 2 ran a very damaging piece against George Bush. 50:09.440 --> 50:16.100 And it was saying, like, oh, he skipped out on all crazy stuff on his, you know. 50:16.260 --> 50:24.760 Basically, they produced a story that was very damaging to him, and they had their main centerpiece 50:24.760 --> 50:33.360 where these supposed memos that they got from the commander in the Texas Air National Guard. 50:33.880 --> 50:38.700 And so what happened is, within about 60 minutes of the broadcast on the East Coast, 50:38.700 --> 50:46.180 there was this guy on a website, and he said, it wasn't a web blog, it was more of like a forum, 50:46.260 --> 50:49.120 but he said, I'll check this out, and this doesn't make any sense. 50:49.220 --> 50:53.200 If you actually type this memo into Word, it looks exactly the same. 50:53.200 --> 50:56.580 And everyone suddenly picked out on it. 50:56.660 --> 51:01.720 Two web blogs, Powerline and Little Green Footballs, picked up on this, 51:01.820 --> 51:05.900 and they did a lot of tests on it, and they ran it, they, like, called up a couple people, 51:06.000 --> 51:08.280 and they did a lot of research on it, and I think that's what really made the difference. 51:08.680 --> 51:14.680 But it actually turns out that these memos were forged, and if the web blogs weren't out there doing that, 51:15.360 --> 51:16.540 that would have never happened. 51:17.320 --> 51:20.680 And, you know, to have your opinion about George W. Bush, that's fine. 51:20.680 --> 51:27.840 But at the same time, you really can't, you know, be forging memos about people and trying to pass it off as fact. 51:27.960 --> 51:33.240 And I think that was, a lot of people point to that as a defining moment for the web blog community. 51:33.900 --> 51:34.140 Oh, yeah. 51:34.220 --> 51:37.660 Are you saying without web blogs, we wouldn't have had that information come out at all? 51:38.200 --> 51:41.120 I wouldn't say, I think, I don't think it would have come out as fast, 51:41.180 --> 51:44.660 and I think it would have been a lot more politically damaging if it happened, if it didn't do that. 51:44.660 --> 51:50.020 And I think a lot of people, I think it would have happened, I don't think it would have happened as fast, 51:50.100 --> 51:55.720 but I don't think, and I think it would have been, I don't think it would have been as dramatic as it was. 51:56.320 --> 51:57.640 We have Natas on the line. 51:58.720 --> 51:59.080 Hell yeah! 52:02.080 --> 52:03.860 Is this your catchphrase groups, hell yeah? 52:05.020 --> 52:05.780 I guess so. 52:06.940 --> 52:07.700 So what's up, Natas? 52:07.720 --> 52:09.000 What's your whole take on this? 52:11.120 --> 52:11.980 I have no idea. 52:11.980 --> 52:14.440 You just called in for that one? 52:14.460 --> 52:14.800 No, I don't know. 52:15.560 --> 52:17.240 Yeah, I don't know what my opinion is. 52:18.320 --> 52:18.940 I'm sharing. 52:21.540 --> 52:23.220 Ah, Natas, you never fail to amuse me. 52:23.620 --> 52:24.920 Well, Natas, thanks for calling in. 52:25.280 --> 52:25.520 Yeah. 52:29.480 --> 52:29.800 So. 52:32.360 --> 52:33.380 Don't hang up on us, Tron. 52:33.380 --> 52:34.260 He's not going to contribute. 52:34.980 --> 52:36.120 Sorry, Natas, you lose. 52:36.120 --> 52:42.780 Well, I mean, yeah, we have low, let's get low-tech mystic on. 52:43.180 --> 52:45.360 All right, I'm going to say goodbye to you, Natas. 52:45.600 --> 52:46.180 Bye, Natas. 52:46.280 --> 52:46.900 Okay, see you. 52:47.120 --> 52:47.380 See ya. 52:51.760 --> 52:53.360 Yeah, let me get low-tech on here. 52:53.940 --> 52:58.680 Well, I mean, I don't think it would have came out, and I actually think that it had less of a chance of happening. 52:58.800 --> 53:00.360 I think weblogs are very instrumental. 53:01.100 --> 53:04.220 So you're saying they empower people to help with the news? 53:04.740 --> 53:05.100 Exactly. 53:05.460 --> 53:08.440 So in all, that's a good thing that came out of it. 53:08.840 --> 53:10.220 That's a very good thing that came out of it. 53:10.480 --> 53:18.220 And sure enough, there's a lot of things that, you know, probably have amplified on other blogs that, you know, don't have, that are bad. 53:18.220 --> 53:25.580 I mean, sometimes you find crazy shit on there, like, you know, George Bush is single-handedly killing the entire Louisiana black population. 53:25.720 --> 53:28.280 I'm just like, wow, this guy's on crack. 53:28.280 --> 53:33.420 Like, so I was just, it's weird. 53:33.620 --> 53:36.380 I mean, basically, I think, I think Jabotard said it the best. 53:36.900 --> 53:42.940 It's, you need to question it, and I think certain people sometimes just don't feel that way. 53:43.180 --> 53:43.420 Yeah. 53:43.600 --> 53:47.280 Or don't have, don't have the ability, I wouldn't say don't have the ability. 53:47.580 --> 53:48.760 They don't think of it that way. 53:48.760 --> 53:56.820 Yeah, see, the problem is that people will blindly accept, you'll always have people who will blindly accept whatever they read as fact. 53:57.080 --> 53:58.240 You know, they won't think critically. 53:58.400 --> 54:00.620 They won't bother to do any research. 54:00.780 --> 54:03.460 They'll just say, oh, okay, so-and-so says it, so it must be true. 54:03.460 --> 54:10.080 And that's the danger, because at least with, you know, with mainstream media sources, there's only so many of them. 54:10.160 --> 54:12.800 And, yes, they're not completely accurate all the time. 54:12.800 --> 54:40.040 But with, you know, hundreds and hundreds and possibly thousands of blogs, you know, reporting on the same subject and each one taking his or her own totally, you know, self-aggrandizing politically charged standpoint and introducing his own version of misrepresentation and, you know, and poor fact-checking into it, you run into this problem where there's all these sources, none of which are actually credible, but which you have people arguing about and not knowing which one to believe. 54:40.040 --> 54:42.360 And with that, we have Lotec on the line. 54:43.420 --> 54:45.180 Hey, Chris and Fresh, guys. 54:45.640 --> 54:46.300 Hey, Lotec. 54:47.020 --> 54:48.120 How's it going, buddy? 54:49.180 --> 54:50.180 Pretty good, buddy. 54:51.160 --> 54:51.960 Yeah, deal. 54:52.300 --> 54:57.020 I wanted to call in and just kind of drop my two cents into the line here. 54:57.680 --> 55:03.740 I don't do a whole lot with the blogs, but I do do a lot with the podcasting. 55:03.740 --> 55:19.760 And my whole, like, when I go and I listen to a podcast, I'm not downloading the podcast to necessarily hear the news or take these guys for being the truth or the word verbatim. 55:19.760 --> 55:34.960 I'm listening to these podcasts because I live in a small redneck country town, and if I want to listen to somebody talk about technology, you know, share ideas, stuff like that, I'm not going to do it here in this town. 55:35.420 --> 55:39.400 So I don't have a local 2600 meeting that I can go to. 55:39.700 --> 55:42.140 There's nothing local like that for me. 55:42.140 --> 55:52.220 So these podcasts bring it in to my computer where I can listen to it on my headphones in my car, and it's like getting to hang out with all these different people. 55:53.140 --> 55:57.460 And so it's not necessarily, you know, I'm not looking for the truth. 55:57.560 --> 56:07.740 I'm just looking to share ideas and concepts and educate myself, and there's an awesome, awesome scene and community for that. 56:07.740 --> 56:27.380 Yeah, well, I got to agree with that because, I mean, it's – I think that one of the major reasons that, you know, hacking is such a big thing on podcasts and blogs for that matter is, you know, hell, we are the technological elite. 56:27.580 --> 56:30.300 So we do all this cutting-edge crap. 56:30.940 --> 56:32.520 Oh, yeah, I mean, I totally agree with that. 56:32.520 --> 56:38.900 It's awesome to have a community of people out there, you know, a community of listeners that we can have this awesome relationship with. 56:39.000 --> 56:48.740 I feel, you know, very much – everyone that emails in, all the people who are, like, on our frapper site and posting their pins on the map, you know, I feel a very intimate connection with them. 56:48.780 --> 56:57.060 And I'm sure – I hope they feel the same intimate connection with us about, you know, Strom wants to be intimately connected with all of our listeners. 56:57.060 --> 56:59.560 Oh, yes, yes, intimate, intimate listeners. 56:59.560 --> 57:07.240 But, I mean, in general, I think for a large number of things, it is a good thing. 57:07.340 --> 57:10.820 My only issue is with the credibility of the sources, really. 57:12.360 --> 57:15.620 Well, really, I mean, it doesn't really matter where you're getting that. 57:15.660 --> 57:18.240 I mean, you're going to get that in the mainstream media. 57:18.240 --> 57:22.880 I mean, I think – well, who does this shoot? 57:23.080 --> 57:23.920 No, Howard Stern. 57:24.020 --> 57:33.980 Howard Stern's listeners, whenever there's some type of, you know, major crisis going on there, they basically call up the, you know, CNN, NBC, one of the live people, and they say, 57:34.300 --> 57:39.580 oh, you know, hey, I'm a person who knows a lot about this situation, you know, would you like a comment or something? 57:39.580 --> 57:44.720 And what they'll usually do is they'll toss them straight on the air, and they'll completely BS the commentator. 57:45.900 --> 57:49.100 I mean, there's no real checking going on here. 57:49.180 --> 57:52.060 Everyone thinks there is, but in reality, there isn't. 57:52.060 --> 57:59.680 Yeah, I'd just like to say that you – it'd be a good rule of thumb for everybody. 57:59.800 --> 58:07.560 Everything that you hear, you should always take with a grain of salt, because everybody's going to – everybody's going to give their opinion and their view of whatever situation. 58:07.800 --> 58:13.220 So the truth is always somewhere in the middle from all the sources and all the different points that you hear. 58:13.220 --> 58:23.400 You know, the more that you can gather different sources, the more likely you're probably able to maybe figure out what likely happened by finding whatever's in that common ground. 58:24.540 --> 58:32.200 Something that I find interesting about, like, this show or RFA or my show or low-tech show is that we'll say something, we'll say, this is how it's going on, 58:32.560 --> 58:41.200 but we'll always say, or every other show say, you know, you don't have to listen to us, make your own opinion, and the real news never says stuff like that. 58:41.200 --> 58:44.760 That's true. I'm not saying that the mainstream media has it right either. 58:44.940 --> 58:50.300 I mean, the mainstream media has lots of flaws. There's lots of problems, and people will blindly believe it too. 58:51.220 --> 58:58.500 But I think better to have, you know, a smaller – see, the other problem I see is that you've got – with the mainstream media, 58:58.580 --> 59:04.240 you've got a very small number of sources of at least somewhat decent credibility. 59:04.240 --> 59:12.880 And you've got, you know, I guess, you know, you've got, like, AM talk radio with less credibility and so on, yeah. 59:13.140 --> 59:20.300 But, like, the whole problem with the blogs and podcasting is, like, I've tried keeping up with them, 59:20.700 --> 59:24.880 and I just can't because there's so many of them, and it's so difficult. 59:24.880 --> 59:27.780 But you can't watch the 6 o'clock news on every channel either, though. 59:27.780 --> 59:31.940 No, you can't, but, I mean, you can switch back and forth. 59:32.920 --> 59:34.660 You can switch, you know, on a day-to-day basis. 59:34.740 --> 59:36.060 You can read one, then you can read another. 59:36.580 --> 59:45.100 But the problem, you know, is just – I feel it can be needlessly overwhelming at times, 59:45.180 --> 59:46.180 and you don't know who to believe. 59:47.360 --> 59:49.160 I think I'm just reiterating myself needlessly. 59:49.160 --> 59:50.240 Well, I think that's with all media. 59:50.240 --> 59:54.640 Well, I think everyone that's producing something has a goal in mind. 59:55.980 --> 59:59.620 Like, this show is – like, we say there's no goal, 59:59.700 --> 01:00:05.220 but the goal is to have, like, a community of hackers that are nice to each other 01:00:05.220 --> 01:00:09.320 and informative and help each other out and strive to make the community better. 01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:12.140 There's a lot of people in the hacker community that are just, you know, 01:00:12.140 --> 01:00:14.860 read the fucking manual, you noob, all the time. 01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:21.440 And, like, if I went around saying, let's say the Gibsons or anarchy or what all the time, 01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:22.680 I wouldn't be on this show right now. 01:00:24.660 --> 01:00:29.260 You know, like, there's, you know, definitely qualifications to be on the show 01:00:29.260 --> 01:00:32.880 and qualifications to – or whatever I'm trying to say, I'm drunk. 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:39.160 Well, I don't think goal would be the right term, 01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:42.740 but I would believe that – I think what you're more saying is that everyone has a viewpoint. 01:00:42.740 --> 01:00:44.480 And we do. 01:00:44.580 --> 01:00:50.500 We have a very, you know, pro-hacking, you know, pro-privacy, pro-technology. 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:51.840 And pro-nice to each other. 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:54.260 You know, we are – oh, for the most part. 01:00:54.340 --> 01:00:58.520 I mean, we want people to be nice to each other, but at the same point, sometimes we're not. 01:00:59.560 --> 01:01:02.260 We want lots of touching and feeling, right, Strong? 01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:03.200 Oh, yeah. 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:04.400 Oh, yeah. 01:01:06.140 --> 01:01:10.020 All right, guys, I'm going to jump off here so somebody else can call in. 01:01:10.020 --> 01:01:15.000 But a shout-out to everybody in the Pound and Phenomicon room on a free note. 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:16.500 And you should come up with it. 01:01:17.020 --> 01:01:18.720 All right, so goodbye, guys, and thanks for doing the show. 01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:19.600 Thanks, Low Tech Mystic. 01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:20.820 All right, bye. 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:21.320 Bye, man. 01:01:21.380 --> 01:01:21.720 Later, man. 01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:23.720 Hey, Low Tech Mystic has a show. 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:24.680 It's called Ninja Night School. 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:26.360 It's at podcastincubator.com. 01:01:29.060 --> 01:01:29.860 Good plug. 01:01:29.980 --> 01:01:30.500 Low Tech School. 01:01:30.540 --> 01:01:32.100 Yeah, I'm trying to plug as much as I can. 01:01:32.640 --> 01:01:33.000 Yep. 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:39.540 So I think one of the advantages about the whole new media is that, well, 01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:44.140 Strong was saying you have three viewpoints, and quite normally there are the usual three viewpoints. 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.980 And, I mean, let's try that again. 01:01:47.180 --> 01:01:49.560 There's three viewpoints, but in reality there are three viewpoints. 01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:51.580 It's generally just one viewpoint. 01:01:51.740 --> 01:01:52.880 It's a giant echo chamber. 01:01:52.880 --> 01:02:00.480 And for the most part, you know, I wouldn't say that they're all – blogs aren't just one echo chamber. 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:05.920 I mean, I'm sure there are in very – on a microcosm of the scale. 01:02:06.780 --> 01:02:15.240 But it's different with that because you've got, like, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, or 1,000 viewpoints to look at. 01:02:15.680 --> 01:02:21.880 I mean, just – you can tell that most of the blogs I hang out on, besides Slashdot, Slashdot, and other technical blogs, 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:23.460 because I hang out in a lot of political blogs. 01:02:24.180 --> 01:02:31.880 And everyone on, like, CNN, you know, CBS and all of them, there's apparently some riots in Australia. 01:02:32.500 --> 01:02:37.160 And they're all saying that, you know, oh, you know, a bunch of white people are beating up on Muslims. 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.380 And I'm like, oh, geez, well, that sucks. 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:46.620 But all of a sudden I go over on a certain couple of weblogs, and one of them is saying, well, you know, 01:02:46.620 --> 01:02:53.980 one of my weblogs was saying, well, one of our – one of the blogs – one of the weblogs I listen to is saying, 01:02:54.120 --> 01:02:57.500 listen, this guy is down in Australia, and I actually did some research on this. 01:02:57.660 --> 01:03:03.460 And sure enough that this weblog, this weblog, and this guy are corroborating his story. 01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:07.900 And it turns out that, well, yes, you know, people are beating down dark people. 01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:12.380 But at the same point, you know, there was – the night before, there were, you know, massive riots, 01:03:12.380 --> 01:03:14.880 and people were being smacked down on the other side of the scale. 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:18.300 So you didn't get that viewpoint on the mainstream media. 01:03:18.600 --> 01:03:21.500 And if I wasn't looking at weblogs, I wouldn't have known that. 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:25.360 Hey, Black Ratchet, you look at a lot of Republican blogs. 01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:26.980 What liberal blogs do you look at? 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.760 Daily Kos, if I want to last, Democratic Underground. 01:03:33.100 --> 01:03:35.020 So you are getting both viewpoints then? 01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:36.260 Yes, I try to get both viewpoints. 01:03:36.260 --> 01:03:41.100 I don't try to go listen to – I've got to say the Republican ones are a bit more. 01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:44.520 In line with my viewpoints, yes. 01:03:46.620 --> 01:03:50.920 But I, you know, I also look at Daily Kos and say, God, these people are on crack. 01:03:52.540 --> 01:03:58.340 Actually, Democratic Underground is a fun one if you really just want to get, like, the left-wing wackos. 01:03:58.720 --> 01:04:01.880 And for the right-wing wackos, go to freerepublic.com. 01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:04.620 Whoa, they're scary. 01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:05.340 They both are. 01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:15.160 But, like, it's just – you need to look at viewpoints, and you need to look at it, and you need to understand it. 01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:18.820 And you need to know that one person is not going to be a definitive source. 01:04:18.820 --> 01:04:25.300 And I just think a lot of people don't understand that, and they're too used to the old media, as it were. 01:04:25.420 --> 01:04:32.380 It's just like saying – sitting down on their whole, you know, Mount Sinai and decreeing, how dare you question me? 01:04:33.080 --> 01:04:42.940 Yeah, see, the real problem, the other problem I have with blogs is that so many people who write them are, like, self-aggrandizing, self-important, you know, overly smarmy types. 01:04:42.940 --> 01:04:45.340 You don't have to insult me like that, man. 01:04:47.540 --> 01:04:49.360 I wasn't referring to you specifically. 01:04:49.540 --> 01:04:58.500 But, no, it's just like when I went to Wikipedia and I tried to get, you know, just a concise, impartial bit of information about the history of blogs. 01:04:58.620 --> 01:04:59.900 It was impossible to find. 01:05:00.020 --> 01:05:07.100 I had to edit out all this so-and-so, this major celebrity who I've never heard of, and this other major celebrity so-called who I've never heard of. 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:12.220 And I'm just like, you know, I had to edit it down so it sounded impartial. 01:05:12.940 --> 01:05:17.160 Well, I mean, heck, you're going to run into that Wikipedia no matter where you look. 01:05:17.680 --> 01:05:17.920 Yeah. 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:20.080 Yeah, but – 01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:23.160 You're going to look at the manual – you're going to look at the hacker one. 01:05:23.240 --> 01:05:26.840 It's going to be a ton of people saying, oh, major hacker celebrity so-and-so. 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.540 And, you know, you show that to, say, my mom. 01:05:30.660 --> 01:05:32.900 She's not going to say, who the hell is Richard Stallman? 01:05:35.980 --> 01:05:37.360 He's that guy from that cartoon. 01:05:38.040 --> 01:05:38.700 Yeah, exactly. 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:40.340 Everybody loves Eric S. Raymond. 01:05:40.860 --> 01:05:41.440 Oh, God. 01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.240 He looks a lot like a cartoon. 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:43.920 Look at that way. 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.500 He looks a lot like Pigpen from the Peanuts. 01:05:47.660 --> 01:05:48.040 Oh, God. 01:05:48.220 --> 01:05:48.820 That's longer hair. 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:51.000 We have living – 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.520 Yeah, that's right. 01:05:51.600 --> 01:05:53.000 I said it, so bring it on. 01:05:55.060 --> 01:05:56.320 We have living down on the line. 01:05:56.380 --> 01:05:56.540 Hello. 01:05:57.040 --> 01:05:57.420 All right. 01:05:57.800 --> 01:05:58.140 Hello. 01:05:59.080 --> 01:05:59.340 Hey. 01:06:00.460 --> 01:06:00.780 All right. 01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:09.220 So, personally, I don't really watch a lot of the mainstream media because I don't really care what the latest bird flu or cancer scare. 01:06:09.220 --> 01:06:18.780 But, I mean, like you said earlier about the SSH brute forcers, I mean, if you want to look at technical stuff, you've got a FlashDot, and that's a blog of some sort. 01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:26.180 And those are the kind of places you go and you want to find out what's new, and technology or other things aren't in the mainstream media. 01:06:28.980 --> 01:06:30.300 Well, yeah, it is. 01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:34.020 And I think that also goes back to the whole multiple viewpoint thing. 01:06:34.340 --> 01:06:36.260 I mean, you're going to get a technological viewpoint. 01:06:36.260 --> 01:06:45.880 You're not going to get the watered-down, you know, 30-second blurb on CNN saying, you know, run the firewalls because firewalls are good. 01:06:46.180 --> 01:06:47.620 And we're like, okay, yeah, we knew that. 01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:48.040 Thank you. 01:06:49.580 --> 01:07:00.160 And it appeals – there's a lot of niche audiences out there, and a lot of people just don't get that niche in, you know, the regular life. 01:07:00.160 --> 01:07:10.580 Like, it's – I mean, just even talking about us with the whole podcast, I mean, we have, you know, 1,000 downloads a week or so, thereabouts. 01:07:11.060 --> 01:07:11.440 Oh, do we? 01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:12.500 Yeah, we do. 01:07:12.860 --> 01:07:13.800 Y'all got more than that, huh? 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:14.600 Huh? 01:07:15.080 --> 01:07:16.200 Y'all got more than that. 01:07:16.680 --> 01:07:17.680 I don't know. 01:07:17.700 --> 01:07:18.340 That's what Stank said. 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.920 He had about 1,000 a week within our first week or so. 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:27.780 Oh, God, you guys completely derailed my train of thought. 01:07:28.180 --> 01:07:34.720 But it's a very niche audience, and we couldn't, like, go on CNN and appeal to Mom and Pop and all the other people. 01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:36.520 We'd get basically 1,000 people. 01:07:36.620 --> 01:07:40.920 But at the same point, I would hope those 1,000 people actually like the show and listen every week. 01:07:42.040 --> 01:07:43.960 Yeah, my parents could care less about this right now. 01:07:44.340 --> 01:07:47.560 Yeah, I'm pretty sure they could, and I'm pretty sure my fiancé could care less about it. 01:07:47.560 --> 01:07:54.420 But, um, so, yeah, it's just, it's very niche audiences. 01:07:54.860 --> 01:07:55.480 That's what it is. 01:07:58.100 --> 01:08:01.140 And I think, you know, with weblogs and whole things, I mean, 01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:03.600 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 01:08:04.820 --> 01:08:11.160 It's bad with the fact that, you know, you won't appeal to everybody, but it's good in the fact that I can actually tune into, 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:12.340 Hello? 01:08:12.720 --> 01:08:12.960 Hello? 01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:15.820 Oh, sorry, I have my phone. 01:08:15.820 --> 01:08:18.260 Oh, no. 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.060 Oh, my God, I was listening to you on BinRev Radio. 01:08:22.160 --> 01:08:22.980 You guys are so cool. 01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:32.880 Um, it's the whole, shoot, it's bad that we can't appeal to a widespread audience, 01:08:32.980 --> 01:08:37.840 but it's good that, you know, people out there who want this kind of information can actually get to it. 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:41.620 I guess you could say. 01:08:41.620 --> 01:08:47.480 So, yeah, we're, we're, we're, I think we're just really going on the whole infinite loop. 01:08:47.860 --> 01:08:49.960 Oh, but I'd just like to toss this out there, actually. 01:08:50.080 --> 01:08:55.920 I was, I was discussing this topic with, uh, Koresh earlier today, and he provided something interesting. 01:08:56.160 --> 01:08:59.720 He heard, and I'm not even sure where he heard it, he may have heard it on the weblog, 01:09:00.260 --> 01:09:05.320 that, um, NBC and GE are apparently owned by the same parent company. 01:09:05.440 --> 01:09:06.200 He thinks it's NBC. 01:09:06.200 --> 01:09:11.500 General Electric, General Electric has owned NBC for a long time now. 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:12.180 Okay. 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.300 Okay, so apparently that's what it is. 01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:20.800 But, um, what it is, is apparently some people are hearing, or at least they're, they're looking into it, 01:09:20.860 --> 01:09:26.860 and, like, certain coincidences are happening, that NBC News is doing very interesting things with some of their stories, 01:09:26.860 --> 01:09:37.320 and they're kind of doing internal censoring, and they think it may be that GE is trying to, um, censor the stories as to, 01:09:37.460 --> 01:09:42.920 because, because, um, GE is, like, one of the top three government contractors for military equipment. 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:49.920 And they're trying to, you know, not try to, you know, doom and gloom about the war more than they already have to. 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:55.580 So, I mean, I'm not saying this is fact, this is what he said, and I, I think it's a very interesting thing, 01:09:55.620 --> 01:09:57.660 because, like, who, who watches the watchers? 01:09:58.060 --> 01:10:04.580 I mean, when I go onto weblogs, and someone else comes and does research with the whole, um, oh, you know, 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:09.520 someone said that, if there's a story that says, oh, you know, someone said X, 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:15.080 and then someone complements back saying, oh, no, that's not right, because I heard that X did Y, 01:10:15.820 --> 01:10:19.960 you know, that, that, that's going back to that feedback thing, and, you know, 01:10:19.980 --> 01:10:22.820 someone will actually come out and say, you're point dead wrong for these following reasons, 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:23.940 and I did my research on it. 01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:26.860 You'll never get that in the whole mainstream media. 01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:31.740 Someone could be, you know, doing some fine-tuning in the back, and you'll never even know about it. 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.540 Meanwhile, you know, someone over and, say, like, something happened in Iraq, 01:10:36.540 --> 01:10:40.020 and NBC, you know, tones it down a bit, you know, you go on the internet, 01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:44.040 and there's, there's more than a few Iraqi blogs out there, um, 01:10:44.380 --> 01:10:46.640 who are there and are in the thick of things. 01:10:48.500 --> 01:10:55.300 So, I, it, it, it happens, and it, it, it provides you a better first-person source, 01:10:56.440 --> 01:10:59.520 as opposed to just the talking heads on the mainstream media. 01:11:01.940 --> 01:11:04.160 Yes, no, am I just talking out of my ass here? 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:05.780 You're just talking out of your ass, man. 01:11:06.220 --> 01:11:06.500 Woo! 01:11:07.300 --> 01:11:08.820 Excuse me, I'd like to ask you a few questions. 01:11:08.820 --> 01:11:11.660 Well, I think that this has been happening for a long time. 01:11:11.820 --> 01:11:14.880 Like, before there were blogs, people still communicated with each other. 01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:19.240 Blogs have just helped facilitate it to be more worldwide. 01:11:20.160 --> 01:11:24.860 Like, when there was the local dial-up BBSs, and, you know, the local newscaster said, 01:11:24.940 --> 01:11:28.460 this happened, I'm sure they were saying, no, it happened this way, 01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:30.080 or happened this way, and they were discussing it. 01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:34.920 But, yeah, it's also much more... 01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.300 Blogs have definitely helped you make it more mainstream and more, uh, like that. 01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:40.020 Indeed. 01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:43.280 Well, I have this book that's sitting here on my desk. 01:11:43.420 --> 01:11:45.140 It's called Steal This Computer Book. 01:11:45.740 --> 01:11:47.220 Or, yeah, Steal This Computer Book. 01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:50.440 And Chapter 2, like, this is a really older book. 01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:51.620 Yeah, that's like 95. 01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:52.500 Yeah. 01:11:52.900 --> 01:11:54.700 It tells you how to hack Netscape or something. 01:11:55.200 --> 01:11:57.240 Yeah, it's how to hack Netscape, Chapter 1. 01:11:57.320 --> 01:12:00.740 And Chapter 2 is alternative sources of news information. 01:12:00.740 --> 01:12:03.400 And, like, it's bolded. 01:12:03.460 --> 01:12:07.960 Think you can believe everything you read in the paper, hear on radio or see on TV, think again. 01:12:08.160 --> 01:12:13.900 And it lists a whole bunch of internet resources for finding new sources of media. 01:12:13.900 --> 01:12:19.200 And, like, it's everything, like African News and Bangkok Post and Irish Times. 01:12:19.280 --> 01:12:21.980 It doesn't have blogs and such because it was an old book. 01:12:23.080 --> 01:12:26.080 But, uh, like, I learned that a long time ago reading this book. 01:12:26.120 --> 01:12:27.260 I was like, hey, that's pretty slick. 01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:31.080 I can look at news other places and, you know, make my opinion off of that. 01:12:31.080 --> 01:12:44.420 Well, I mean, it's coming back with, going, I mean, really, you know, the different viewpoints happened even before the weblog things. 01:12:44.540 --> 01:12:50.080 I mean, back in, when was it, 90, 94, I think. 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:59.060 Whenever, you know, Clinton started to decide, hey, let's go bomb Bosnia, I was like, oh, well, that's going to be interesting. 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:06.780 So, you know, the night it started to happen and all the shit started to break loose, I ran up to my room and around 7 p.m. 01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:12.800 I, uh, hooked it all up and I flipped on my shortwave radio and picked up Bosnian news. 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:20.260 And, actually, I picked up the Bosnian broadcast first that was in all, you know, I don't know, Serbian or whatever, whatever language I speak over there. 01:13:20.660 --> 01:13:25.400 And it was pretty interesting hearing them say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, NATO, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 01:13:25.400 --> 01:13:36.860 And, when the English broadcast came on, because, you know, shortwave radio, you have all different languages on there, um, I listened to it and they provided a very alternate viewpoint. 01:13:36.860 --> 01:13:45.280 And, basically, it was very, it was very, very propagandist, sort of Soviet almost, saying that, you know, we will repel the Yankee invaders almost. 01:13:45.460 --> 01:13:46.640 It was, it was very strange. 01:13:47.040 --> 01:13:48.920 But, it was, you know, it was a different viewpoint. 01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:55.000 They were saying, oh, this is an illegal war, it's horrible, you know, you're killing civilians, please stop. 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:56.840 Ow, ow, that really hurts. 01:13:57.980 --> 01:13:58.440 But, again. 01:13:58.440 --> 01:14:02.740 Do you think a lot of the listeners have a shortwave radio or, like, a, uh, world band radio? 01:14:03.540 --> 01:14:04.660 I don't think a lot of people do, no. 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:05.360 I think it's a radio. 01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:05.760 I have one. 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.660 I listen to Radio Cuba a lot. 01:14:08.280 --> 01:14:08.540 Really? 01:14:08.740 --> 01:14:09.840 I never listen to Radio Cuba. 01:14:10.100 --> 01:14:10.780 Like, 66 or something. 01:14:13.100 --> 01:14:17.200 So, anyway, we've got, like, 15 minutes left, so I think we should start wrapping it up. 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:17.880 Uh-oh. 01:14:18.580 --> 01:14:22.020 Well, I think Ponyboy has something to say, so let's go across him and we can go wrap it up here. 01:14:22.040 --> 01:14:22.460 I'll bring him in. 01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:23.900 He'll be our last call for the evening. 01:14:23.900 --> 01:14:28.720 Hey, I just want y'all to know that other than Natus, everybody that's called in has been in the, uh, pounded Venomicon channel. 01:14:30.480 --> 01:14:31.420 Well, good for them. 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:32.600 We'll give them a gold star. 01:14:35.180 --> 01:14:36.660 You give them a little fuzzy wood. 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:39.160 Strom will reward them accordingly. 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.040 Getting them real close. 01:14:45.660 --> 01:14:47.740 So, I guess Ponyboy's going to come in here any time now. 01:14:48.020 --> 01:14:48.660 Come on, Ponyboy. 01:14:48.940 --> 01:14:49.360 There he is. 01:14:50.040 --> 01:14:50.500 Hey, Ponyboy. 01:14:50.500 --> 01:14:51.200 What's going on, guys? 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:53.840 What's going on, everybody? 01:14:54.700 --> 01:14:55.260 Hey, Ponyboy. 01:14:55.460 --> 01:14:56.300 We're doing the show. 01:14:56.400 --> 01:14:57.100 How are, what are you doing? 01:14:58.420 --> 01:15:00.900 Um, I'm, uh, actually just got home. 01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:03.200 Yeah, sorry I called you there a little while ago, Strom. 01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:04.280 Oh, that was you. 01:15:04.340 --> 01:15:04.600 Okay. 01:15:05.200 --> 01:15:05.540 Yeah. 01:15:05.940 --> 01:15:08.420 I was trying to find out when you guys were doing the show. 01:15:08.780 --> 01:15:09.020 Yeah. 01:15:10.300 --> 01:15:10.660 Now. 01:15:10.900 --> 01:15:11.040 Right now. 01:15:11.460 --> 01:15:11.820 Right now. 01:15:12.200 --> 01:15:13.900 So, what's your question, man, or comments? 01:15:14.980 --> 01:15:22.800 Well, I actually had a question that, uh, about, because I know you guys are doing the, the hacker media type thing tonight. 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:32.560 I was wondering, what do you guys think is, like, the, the, the future, like, the next thing that's going to, kind of, the new, the next thing that's going to change how. 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:34.180 Oh, the future of media in general? 01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:42.160 Or, like, independent podcasting and, well, I think, really, in general, what's going to happen is, you're going to find a balance. 01:15:42.280 --> 01:15:49.940 I mean, obviously, the traditional news sources are, are rapidly losing readers and viewers to, to blogs and podcasts and whatnot. 01:15:49.940 --> 01:15:53.620 But I don't think blogs and podcasts are going to completely take over. 01:15:53.740 --> 01:15:56.280 I think there is going to be, at some point, a shakedown. 01:15:56.380 --> 01:15:59.720 There's going to be, you know, a couple of really good ones. 01:15:59.940 --> 01:16:03.400 Then there's going to be the sea of also-rans that nobody pays attention to at all. 01:16:04.620 --> 01:16:09.060 And it'll be progressively harder to break into the whole blogging and podcasting thing. 01:16:09.140 --> 01:16:13.040 I mean, media's been becoming more and more fragmented for, for years now. 01:16:13.040 --> 01:16:17.840 But, in general, really, it's, what media have you been paying attention to, Strom? 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:20.620 What do you mean? 01:16:21.460 --> 01:16:23.740 I mean, media's just sort of consolidating in reality. 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:25.920 Well, news media, news media, yes. 01:16:26.020 --> 01:16:32.440 But, I mean, look at, look at the fact that now you've got, you know, you've got 200 cable television channels. 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:38.160 You've got all these different AM radio talk stations, you know, with all these different people spouting their ideas. 01:16:38.160 --> 01:16:42.240 And, you know, you didn't have all of that 30 years ago. 01:16:43.040 --> 01:16:47.360 Well, but, again, I mean, talking with radio, everything's owned by Clear Channel, at least it is. 01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:51.160 I mean, running actual independent radios is just, is very hard. 01:16:52.040 --> 01:17:02.880 Dealing back to Ponyboy's question, I really foresee it being more of news outlets becoming very much more weblog-like and being more Internet-orientated. 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:09.680 I mean, you're still going to have, you know, say the LA Times going to have a Dead Tree format paper. 01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:19.040 But, at the same time, I think the more focus is going to be on Internet, Internet stories, you know, interaction. 01:17:19.240 --> 01:17:26.540 And actually just change it, just have more than just what they have now, which is basically the story in electronic format. 01:17:28.900 --> 01:17:29.900 Droops, what do you think? 01:17:29.900 --> 01:17:32.660 Well, man, do y'all ever watch Rocket Boom? 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:34.760 Hmm? 01:17:34.860 --> 01:17:35.560 Do y'all know what that is? 01:17:36.140 --> 01:17:36.480 No. 01:17:37.060 --> 01:17:39.460 It's like a daily news broadcast. 01:17:39.860 --> 01:17:41.060 It's pretty left-wing. 01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:43.560 But it's like a video blog. 01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:50.560 And they've got some chick up there, Amanda something or another, that reads the news and gives her opinion and this, that, and the other on it. 01:17:50.980 --> 01:17:54.380 And I think the next generation is going to be more video. 01:17:54.380 --> 01:18:05.340 And it's going to be a lot of, well, like, podcasting started with just people like us or people that were bloggers and decided, hey, we want to move on to the next thing. 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:07.980 And traditional media is going to pick up on that. 01:18:08.040 --> 01:18:11.140 And we're going to have the ABC video blog or whatever. 01:18:11.700 --> 01:18:17.080 And they're going to have their people that they pay and their comments on things. 01:18:17.360 --> 01:18:20.480 And people are going to get that source a lot better than traditional TV. 01:18:20.900 --> 01:18:21.980 I think that's the next step. 01:18:21.980 --> 01:18:27.680 No, here's, I mean, also, we haven't even talked about video blogging. 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:31.980 And that's something that's, I'm not sure how that's going to affect yet. 01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.460 Well, fortunately, it's a pain in the ass to do video blogging. 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:36.200 Exactly. 01:18:36.480 --> 01:18:37.840 So you'll get a lot less people on it. 01:18:39.320 --> 01:18:41.360 Yeah, it's going to be interesting. 01:18:41.660 --> 01:18:44.140 That's something that I'm not sure how that's going to take off. 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:50.420 I'm still waiting for, like, as we discussed before the show started, like, people transcribing the entire shows. 01:18:50.420 --> 01:18:56.660 Because, like, if we searched for, in Google, for this topic or something that we've talked about today, it's not going to show up. 01:18:57.220 --> 01:18:57.580 Mm-hmm. 01:18:57.960 --> 01:18:59.080 Because it's an audio blog. 01:18:59.160 --> 01:19:01.420 And I'm sure they're going to have that, you know, done pretty soon. 01:19:01.420 --> 01:19:04.320 I think part of the reason we do that is also with the show notes. 01:19:05.060 --> 01:19:06.720 Yeah, but the show notes don't cover everything. 01:19:07.160 --> 01:19:07.640 Yeah, true. 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:12.520 But we try to cover most of the, the show notes, what we try to gear towards, trying to cover most of the major topics we cover. 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.660 So if someone does Google us, we can actually show up. 01:19:15.180 --> 01:19:22.840 But, yeah, actually, there's, if someone hangs out on the Hack TV forums, or the, actually, it's called Hacker Media now, on BinRev, 01:19:23.400 --> 01:19:30.840 I believe someone has set up some type of, some type of transcribing service for your radio shows. 01:19:30.900 --> 01:19:33.520 And you can, like, submit it, and they'll actually try to transcribe it for you. 01:19:34.140 --> 01:19:35.220 I'm not sure how they do it. 01:19:35.220 --> 01:19:36.780 And it actually seems pretty cool. 01:19:37.260 --> 01:19:38.240 It's a link in the forums. 01:19:38.420 --> 01:19:43.260 But I think we have to start wrapping up, because I'm not even sure what the music we have for tonight is, but it could be pretty long. 01:19:43.820 --> 01:19:45.220 Hey, can I say something real quick? 01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:45.620 Yeah. 01:19:45.660 --> 01:19:45.980 Of course. 01:19:46.900 --> 01:19:48.560 Political media is all a bunch of crap. 01:19:49.340 --> 01:19:55.640 Like, they don't publish things like who voted for what and how things like that until they're like, well, Droops is a fucker. 01:19:55.700 --> 01:19:56.940 He voted for this, this, and this. 01:19:56.980 --> 01:20:00.560 But they don't say everything that Droops, you know, Senator Droops, voted for. 01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:08.420 And I think if they wanted to represent the truth in media, they would say things like that, like we'd be watching Dan Rather, whoever it is now. 01:20:08.860 --> 01:20:12.140 And they would say, okay, here's the roll call for the Senate, and they voted for this today. 01:20:12.820 --> 01:20:15.860 But they don't ever mention that, because they just want to get their agenda across. 01:20:16.340 --> 01:20:18.760 Well, it's probably part of that, and also, who really wants to listen to all that? 01:20:18.860 --> 01:20:19.320 I really don't want to know. 01:20:19.320 --> 01:20:20.360 Well, it is pretty fucking boring. 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.260 Yeah, I don't want to know that Senator Feinstein voted that, what were they voting tonight? 01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:34.160 I saw it on C-SPAN, they were voting that the 1-1604 is going to be the 104th anniversary of a Korean integration. 01:20:34.380 --> 01:20:35.480 I mean, I don't care. 01:20:35.740 --> 01:20:36.600 That's very nice. 01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.200 But, you know, they all voted yay for that. 01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:40.200 Whatever. 01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:44.460 You can find that, and that's also going down back to your own research. 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:45.620 So, anyway. 01:20:46.400 --> 01:20:47.480 Well, most people don't do that. 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:48.680 Yeah, exactly. 01:20:49.580 --> 01:20:50.140 Anyway, yeah. 01:20:50.220 --> 01:20:51.340 So, announcements. 01:20:51.820 --> 01:20:53.260 So, we're going to start wrapping it up now. 01:20:54.260 --> 01:20:58.420 If you're in the Los Angeles area, DC213 is meeting this Friday in Hawthorne. 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.340 Go to www.dc213.org. 01:21:01.460 --> 01:21:06.680 I'm putting up a new site, and it should be actually up by, like, the end of this evening or tomorrow. 01:21:07.260 --> 01:21:10.020 So, I'll have it up by the end of tonight, Tuesday. 01:21:10.280 --> 01:21:11.540 So, DC213 Friday. 01:21:15.140 --> 01:21:17.640 SWAT Radio is going in full swing this month. 01:21:18.480 --> 01:21:19.560 Everybody needs to check that out. 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:20.960 It's at twatech.org. 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:26.100 Blackratchet.org has a blog up. 01:21:26.620 --> 01:21:29.540 So, see my rantings on there? 01:21:30.360 --> 01:21:33.080 I think my latest thing is this guy. 01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:38.420 He was doing this really stupid thing on how the telephone network sucked during 9-11 and how the internet rocked. 01:21:38.460 --> 01:21:39.300 And I was like, fuck you. 01:21:39.380 --> 01:21:39.780 No way. 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:45.160 And I'm drinking Harpoon Winter Warmer. 01:21:45.240 --> 01:21:46.020 It's a pretty good beer. 01:21:46.020 --> 01:21:50.480 It's a very, uh, if you're over 21, it tastes like shit if you're under 21, so don't drink it. 01:21:50.900 --> 01:21:52.260 I'm drinking a Corona Extra. 01:21:52.420 --> 01:21:54.240 It tastes good with lime if you're over 21. 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.400 I'm drinking Jim Beam and Diet Coke with cherry, because that's all we had in the house. 01:21:59.580 --> 01:22:01.300 Remember, kids, drink responsibly. 01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:06.400 All right, it's time for shouts. 01:22:06.820 --> 01:22:07.680 We got shouts, yeah. 01:22:08.900 --> 01:22:11.420 Shouts to Dr. Zygman for taking our calls, for screening our calls tonight. 01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:12.180 Hell yeah, Ziggy. 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:13.780 We love you, Ziggy. 01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:18.580 Does he listen to the stream, or does he just sit there and just listen to that whole music the whole time? 01:22:18.660 --> 01:22:20.020 He talks to the people. 01:22:20.080 --> 01:22:24.280 He doesn't listen to the stream, because we were talking about the Lance James show, and he hadn't heard about it yet. 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:25.480 Oh, hot damn. 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:26.640 Good for him. 01:22:27.280 --> 01:22:28.340 Definitely shouts for him. 01:22:28.940 --> 01:22:34.020 I'm buying him, like, all the beer he wants, all the cake he wants, whatever he wants, when I see him in person. 01:22:34.580 --> 01:22:36.120 Are you going to get close to him, Strong? 01:22:36.620 --> 01:22:36.940 Huh? 01:22:37.340 --> 01:22:38.620 Are you going to get close to him, Strong? 01:22:38.660 --> 01:22:39.440 Sure, why not? 01:22:39.780 --> 01:22:42.820 Everyone over 21, buy him a beer if you ever see him. 01:22:42.820 --> 01:22:43.340 Yeah. 01:22:43.480 --> 01:22:43.880 Hell yeah. 01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:44.660 Zygman's cool. 01:22:45.020 --> 01:22:45.980 We need to get him back on the show. 01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:49.140 Of course, we're going to have to find someone else to screen our calls if we ever do that. 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.400 My shouts to Koresh for pointing out that very interesting GNBC thing. 01:22:59.160 --> 01:23:02.680 Shouts to Stalin for his red hair, and I don't know what else. 01:23:03.780 --> 01:23:04.840 Shouts to everyone's shouts. 01:23:05.100 --> 01:23:06.600 Do we even have a side of the week this week? 01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:09.000 Um, no, I don't. 01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:09.940 I don't know. 01:23:10.780 --> 01:23:11.900 What's a weblog that you like? 01:23:13.620 --> 01:23:14.380 JWZ.org. 01:23:15.280 --> 01:23:17.620 I like www.fark.com. 01:23:18.360 --> 01:23:18.980 Yay, Fark. 01:23:19.620 --> 01:23:20.420 Yeah, Fark is fun. 01:23:20.740 --> 01:23:24.100 As always, you can email us at radio at binrev.com. 01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:25.200 Hey, what about my shout? 01:23:25.620 --> 01:23:26.340 Yeah, I was going to say, Droops. 01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:26.760 Oh, I'm sorry. 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:28.160 I thought you gave your shout, Droops. 01:23:28.780 --> 01:23:32.400 No, I'm actually going to shout out to CFman, because he sent me a PM today. 01:23:32.480 --> 01:23:34.500 He's like, I don't know who you are, but I appreciate what you do. 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:36.540 And that was really nice. 01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:38.980 Of course, I replied with, when are you going to do a twat? 01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:40.000 And he's working on one. 01:23:41.380 --> 01:23:41.660 Awesome. 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.520 And shouts out to all the Infonomicon people and our newest member, Nightlord. 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.300 And everyone that's helping out with twat. 01:23:48.300 --> 01:23:52.560 And, of course, everyone in pound Infonomicon that called in, because everyone else is a pussy. 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:57.680 And another blog that I want to talk about, real quick, it's a podcast. 01:23:58.060 --> 01:23:59.800 It's Open Source by Christopher Lydon. 01:24:00.320 --> 01:24:03.760 And I heard about it, because it's an open source, and I was like, I'm going to check this out. 01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:06.280 But it's pretty much like an NPR kind of show. 01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.480 And instead of just reporting the news, they actually find people that are involved in it 01:24:10.480 --> 01:24:13.940 and heavily involve them in the show, which is really, really awesome. 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:18.260 And if you want to hear a really good one, listen to some of the stuff about New Orleans and Katrina, 01:24:18.260 --> 01:24:24.840 because they had the people that were running, like, NOLA, which is NewOrleansLouisiana.com or something like that. 01:24:25.260 --> 01:24:29.560 And that was a massive source of information for those people looking for their family and stuff like that. 01:24:32.700 --> 01:24:33.180 All right. 01:24:33.200 --> 01:24:33.780 And that's my shouts. 01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:36.760 Cool, cool. 01:24:37.420 --> 01:24:37.880 Thanks, though. 01:24:38.240 --> 01:24:39.420 Did we shout the email out already? 01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:40.720 Let's do it again. 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.580 You can email us, as always, at radio at binrev.com. 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:47.160 You're stealing my as always line. 01:24:47.160 --> 01:24:49.000 I don't think Stank ever did that. 01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:50.260 I just sort of tossed that on there. 01:24:51.020 --> 01:24:51.960 Have you trademarked it? 01:24:52.340 --> 01:24:52.820 I don't know. 01:24:53.120 --> 01:24:53.480 I should. 01:24:54.100 --> 01:24:54.540 Yeah, you should. 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:54.800 I did. 01:24:54.860 --> 01:24:55.560 Yeah, I did already. 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:56.460 Okay, cool. 01:24:56.480 --> 01:24:56.800 I want to sue you now. 01:24:57.060 --> 01:24:59.020 Well, radio at binrev.com, as always. 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.960 So our closing music tonight. 01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:05.760 Should I do the crazy one I was messaging you with earlier, Ratchet? 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:06.280 Yes. 01:25:06.860 --> 01:25:07.140 Okay. 01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:08.640 Oh, God. 01:25:09.440 --> 01:25:11.700 We apologize in advance for this. 01:25:14.140 --> 01:25:16.140 Ratchet and I were chatting earlier today, 01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:18.840 and I started coming up with all your lyrics to Just What I Needed, 01:25:19.240 --> 01:25:21.760 with Phone Freak lyrics to Just What I Needed. 01:25:21.820 --> 01:25:25.680 I think there's a definite lack of Phone Freak-based karaoke out there. 01:25:27.200 --> 01:25:28.160 Thank God. 01:25:29.620 --> 01:25:34.800 So this is going to be one of binrev's defining bad moments, 01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:35.780 but I'm going to do it anyway. 01:25:37.780 --> 01:25:40.100 Hey, shout for Strom for letting it hang out there. 01:25:40.100 --> 01:25:40.900 Yeah. 01:25:41.100 --> 01:25:45.220 So, as always, we will see you next week. 01:25:45.480 --> 01:25:46.480 Same hack time. 01:25:47.120 --> 01:25:48.340 Same hack channel. 01:25:48.340 --> 01:26:10.960 I don't mind you coming here and tying up my line. 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:15.760 Cause when you're boxing, oh, so near. 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.680 I hear the toes just fine. 01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:22.920 It's not the hard hat that you wear. 01:26:24.260 --> 01:26:27.560 The twisted copper in your hair. 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:34.300 I don't mind you coming here and tying up my line. 01:26:34.300 --> 01:26:56.660 I don't mind you whispering off and boxing the class three. 01:26:58.080 --> 01:27:03.940 It doesn't matter where you called, as long as it was free. 01:27:04.360 --> 01:27:04.960 Yeah. 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:08.280 You always knew your coat so well. 01:27:08.860 --> 01:27:12.000 And you grew so fancy, I can tell. 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:19.280 I don't mind you whistling off and boxing the class three. 01:27:21.240 --> 01:27:23.780 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.300 You've got bad skills, I can see. 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:31.320 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:31.320 --> 01:27:32.340 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:33.340 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:33.340 --> 01:27:34.340 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:34.340 --> 01:27:34.360 I guess you're not just a freak kid. 01:27:34.360 --> 01:27:55.760 I don't mind you coming here 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.580 And tying up my line line 01:27:59.580 --> 01:28:03.760 Cause when you're boxing oh so near 01:28:04.360 --> 01:28:07.420 I hear the tone's just fine, yeah 01:28:07.420 --> 01:28:10.740 It's not the hard hat that you wear 01:28:10.740 --> 01:28:15.260 The twisted copper in your hair 01:28:15.260 --> 01:28:18.200 I don't mind you coming here 01:28:18.200 --> 01:28:21.800 And tying up my line 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.100 I guess you're not just a freak kid 01:28:26.100 --> 01:28:29.620 You've got mad skills I can see 01:28:31.060 --> 01:28:33.680 I guess you're not just a freak kid 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:37.520 You die with lightning speed 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:43.800 I guess you're not just a freak kid 01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:47.440 You've got mad skills I can see 01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:51.280 I guess you're not just a freak kid 01:28:51.280 --> 01:28:54.740 You die with lightning speed 01:28:54.740 --> 01:28:58.040 Yeah, so baby 01:28:58.040 --> 01:29:05.980 You're not just a freak kid 01:29:05.980 --> 01:29:13.360 You're not just a freak kid 01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:20.700 You're not just a freak kid 01:29:20.700 --> 01:29:22.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah 01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:36.900 Hell yeah! 01:29:38.180 --> 01:29:39.640 That was terrible, wasn't it? 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:41.320 That was awesome, Strom! 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.320 I was highly amusing 01:29:44.320 --> 01:29:45.760 That's my new ringtone 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:47.760 Cool 01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:50.680 See you next week, guys 01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:52.220 Did I sound drunk? 01:29:52.260 --> 01:29:53.040 I don't feel drunk