Dedicated to all the hackers, the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers
I stand binary, I depict source code
That's on my toes, I'll post a million james with you in a fact tone
In your digital stance, in firewall code
Cause I'm riding the net in my zip phone
I was a dick with my cassette
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning green gas
You need some ISO, let me do my hard drive rifle
On the exchange, you could never stifle
In the digital hood, you just caught the love bug
I bootleg the CD, I caught the price, straight on NJP
In the CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take the night free
You feel that foul in your bones?
I tell you, we just hacked out tones
And NASDAQ, you could fight on your back
I am he who loves to hack and crack
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew
Good evening, welcome to Finding Your Evolution radio episode number 129
For January 3rd, 2006, I'm Strom Carlson
I'm Black Ratchet, and with us this evening is Low Tech Mystic
Low Tech Mystic
How do you think?
Gotta love that cell phone delay there
Oh boy, oh boy, cell phones
Yay!
Yeah, well, I told him he could call on a cell phone
Cause Low Tech Mystic is cool
So this is our first episode of 2006
I'd like to wish everyone a Happy New Year
Yes, Happy New Year, hope you all had a fun New Year's Eve celebration
Hope you didn't get too incoherent
I got pretty incoherent
I think I'm pretty sick
I used a road flare irresponsibly
Come on
How can you irresponsibly use a road flare?
Use it like you were a sparkler
See, that's not irresponsible
Yes, but shooting a flare gun up into the air
And having it land on the house next door
Is irresponsible, so
Yeah, that might be pushing it right there
I think we're going to have to save that for personal hacking stories
Yes
So, actually, we do have a bit of a housekeeping
Strom has housekeeping
Strom didn't do the housekeeping
That's what we're talking about, housekeeping
I didn't put up the podcast for episode 128
Last week's episode
And I apologize for that
But I have been so incredibly busy with this new consulting gig I'm doing
That it's like, swallowed up all of my available time
I don't know what the hell happened to the previous week
Literally, well, I'll actually save this for my hacking story
But I will tell you guys what I was doing on New Year's Eve
Apparently shooting up flare guns and lighting roofs on fire
No, that was just after midnight
I'm talking about perhaps six or seven hours previous
Shooting up more flare guns?
No, should we just start right off into the personal hacking stories, I guess?
Ah, no, we'll save this
Do you want to go into the email?
So, will episode 128 be up?
Episode 128 will be up, I guarantee you that
It may not be immediately
I'll probably put it up as I put this one up
So I'll do them both at the same time
Okay, that works
So, we would just like to apologize
And as always, I mean, I didn't even notice that it wasn't up
And people actually didn't tell me
The first time I actually heard about this was yesterday, I think?
No, a couple of days ago
And then I had to run out for New Year's
And I completely forgot about it
Until someone pointed it out to me this morning
And I was like, ah, okay
So, technically I couldn't say
Just send me the file and I'll do it
Because normally we do that sometimes
But, yeah, anyway
Before we go into email
Everybody get your dialing fingers ready
Because it's live again and we're taking calls
So, get your dialing finger going
I hope you've been doing those finger workouts
We told you to do last week
I dial with another extension of my body
Oh, do you?
Yes
Well, well
My nose
Ah, nose dialing
Well, get your dialing appendage ready
And
Dialing appendage, I love it
Dialing appendage
And dial 800-732-0442
From within the U.S.
Or from outside the U.S.
Dial area code 213
415-1047
And we're actually
Well, maybe next week
Maybe the week after
We'll soon be having a gift
To all of our dialing audience
We'll have something
That's a little more easy to remember
We hope
Yeah
I was supposed
We were supposed to have it up this week
But apparently my
My
My long distance provider
Just decided to
Crap out on me
So
Yes
Unless you want to talk to a modem
That number won't work
Yeah
So we should have a new number
Eventually
But
Give us a week or two
All right
So Lotec
How are you doing?
I'm sorry
We're just sort of like
Blundering on here
With all of our housekeeping
No worries
I'm doing very good
That's just very good
Oh well
Lotec just doesn't want to talk tonight
Now you make me feel bad
The amount of giggling
Sounds like he's already drunk
Oh right
Those good old boys
Oh yeah
And I'm having some beer over here
So
I don't know Lotec
Do you think we should go straight into email?
That sounds like a plan to me man
Okay
Here we go with email
Our first email
Will be
Just as soon as I pull this up
Our first email
Comes from
Mike
Yes it was a reply from last week
He emailed us
If you don't remember
Yeah
He says
Hey guys I'm not a Fed
I left government work a long time ago
Also the 2006 Cybercrime Summit
Is at Kennesaw State University
In Kennesaw, Georgia
Hope you guys have a great New Year
Cheers Mike
Oh Mike
Geez
You know the only person
That would design being a Fed
Is a Fed you know
Design being a Fed?
Design
Designing Fed
Yeah
I kind of mumbled that out
Designing Fed
With Elsa Clench
On CNN
I'm thinking more
Designing Feds
With
Oh shoot
What's her name?
Delta Burke
That's the
The
Fed that's trying to get all the women
I don't know
I'm just going to
Mike
You do know
That the only person
Who would deny
Being a Fed
Is a Fed
Right
You Fed
Either way
You know
We just want to
Plug the conference
I don't think
It's more geared
Toward us
But
You know
Hey
Someone show up
Crash it
Of course
I think there's going to be
All kinds of crazy
Law enforcement agencies there
So
Approach with your own risk
But either way
Mike
Good luck
And
Go kick some ass
And I'm glad
We're glad you're listening
Our next email
Is from
Zerial
I assume that's how you pronounce it
It says
Hey
I'd like to inform you
That at least one Australian
Is listening too
If you don't mind me doing so
I will advertise your site
Slash radio show
On all my favorite
Freaking slash hacking sites
I love the radio show
It's a shame
There are no Australian ones
Well I'll continue listening
And hope that you will mention
Your international listeners
A bit
I'll continue listening
And hope that you will mention
Your international listeners a bit
And will be proud to be
Your Australian contact
Zerial
Actually I had looked
At the map afterwards
It turns out that
What I was looking at
If wrapper only loads
50 points at a time
When you first load it up
You have to click something else
To load each additional
50 markers
No that kind of makes sense
It's actually
That's actually kind of
A good idea
Is it?
Yeah well
Because you know
We'll go into my
Personal hacking stories
But I had a very interesting
Experience with Google Maps
And the API
So
Well you know
I'm going to say
Azirial
I think it's Azirial
That's at least
How I'm going to pronounce it
I hereby designate you
Our new Australian PR person
You know
Promote the hell out of us
We try to be
Somewhat
We try to cover topics
That aren't just
US and nature I guess
Yeah
If we ever make stickers
We'll send you stickers
Yeah
Actually we should
We should have some
BinRev stickers
We should get like those
Those European
Black on white stickers
That are ovalish
And make one that says
BR
Perhaps
Yes
Although I think
That's overdone
I mean
For all of our
Jeddah people
Yeah
Actually
Another Mark Spencer
Driver Jeddah I think
I don't know
I've never met the man
I think you have
You're the reigning
Mark Spencer expert
Dude I don't know
Call him up on the air
I don't know
Anyway Israel
I also couldn't help
But notice that
You're not on our
Frapper map
As far as I could tell
I clicked a couple
Things unless you're
Using a different
Handle or something
But I did check it
Just before the show
And we're currently
At 162 listeners
Woohoo
We're going to have to
Throw a party
When we hit 200
I think so
We're going to have
Like a 200th
Listener anniversary
Special thingy
You mentioned how
You didn't like
How there was no
Australian freaking
Hacking radio shows
And I mean
Not to sound stupid here
But the only person
To really blame
Is you
Find out someone
That you know
On the forums
Because apparently
There are Australian
Hacking freaking sites
I guess
Or something
But yeah
Just find somebody
You like
Find somebody you know
And start your own
Australian
Hacksaw freaking show
Leapmaster 2000
Something
I don't know
So actually
This kind of
Provided inspiration
For tonight's show topic
We're going to do
How to do your own
Radio show
So everyone will be
Nice and excited
And happy about that
Step one
Don't follow the show notes
Oh wait a minute
You never follow
The show notes
It's not that time yet
Show notes are
Show notes are for wimps
Yes
So yeah
So it's going to be
Doing your own show
And we're going to
Cover that
And that's why
You have low tech
On
Low tech
Is the
Nothing personal
Low tech
But the person
We were originally
Going to get on here
Was the
The hacker
Radio master
Himself
Droops
But
Droops had to
Spend some time
With his hot wife
So I can't really
Blame him for that
But low tech
Came in
And
Hardly
Helped us out here
And he's leet too
So I guess
We're going to use him
Woo
I'm sure he feels
Very loved right now
Yeah
Second best
Is better than
Nothing right
Yeah exactly
Free you also
Well just
Just think
I mean there's
Probably a third
Person I could have
Gone to
And it wasn't that
So you're better
Than that person
Right there
Yes
High five
I can't
We can't high five
You over the phone
Well I can high five
The transmitter
That didn't really work
No that didn't work
At all
So
Okay
Personal hacking stories
Yeah personal hacking stories
And I think
I'm on top of the show notes here
As always
But I think
I think Strom's going to be
Going first here
Oh
Maybe you better tell
Your story first
Because I'm probably
Going to go
Go ranting on
For a while
Alright
Well my story is
I've been playing with
Google Maps
And I
For those of you
Hang out in the
Freaking
The old school
Freaking forum
You know what I've been doing
I've been doing
The Apple project
And it's actually
Come to fruition
So I basically
Debugged this
Google Maps
Application I've been
Working on
For probably
A good four hours
And I noticed
My computer getting
Slower and slower
And slower
And I just kind of
Dismissed it as
Like my sister
Downloading something
Because she's
No from college
Or I don't know
Just random
Nonsense of
Firefox eating up
Memory
And I
You know I finally
Got everything
Worked out
And I got
Everything working
So I finally say
Oh man this is
Just really really
Slow and I open
Up Firefox
And I open up
My task manager
Because this was
Actually in Windows
I was debugging it
With Internet Explorer
As well
And I see
You know
Firefox.exe
You know
80% CPU
And 512
Megabytes of RAM
I'm like
Whoa
Okay
So this is why
I think that
A frapper
Kind of limits
It to 50
At a time
So you're not
Chewing up
Half a gig
Of memory
After 4 hours
Of usage
Of maps
So further
Proof that
JavaScript is
Evil
Pure evil
Except in
Google Maps
Because then
It's just
Pretty cool
Yeah
It's unavoidable
Evil in that case
Necessary evil
Let's put it that way
Yeah
Necessary evil
Okay
I can go with that
Alright
My
Actually
My other thing
Is I've been also
Moving between servers
So if
If you
For example
Somehow send me mail
And I don't respond
In like a couple of days
You might want to send it again
Because you might just
Kind of accidentally
Drop into the bucket
Between two servers
While mail is moving
Between one and another
And that
That's always
About as fun
As watching
Fly is
I don't know
I can't think of a good analogy
There's a fly crawling up
The pole string
On my blinds
Yay
I show you not to have
All that raw meat outside
But
You don't listen to me
Well it's my lucky
Raw meat belt
Yeah
So anyway
Um
My
What
Huh?
What have you been doing
For New Year's Eve?
Oh
Let's see
So this
This past week
Solid
I've been installing
An asterisk system
For one of my clients
I've started this whole
Telecom consulting
Thing
And
Um
Let me
Let me tell you
They specified
Asterisk management portal
And like an idiot
I said
Oh yeah
I'll do that
I mean
I've heard that
It's kind of bad
But it can't be that horrible
I was wrong
Of course
It is
Quite literally
And this is
Putting it nicely
Asterisk management portal
Is the biggest
Flaming pile
Of dog shit
On a stick
Candy coated
With pralines on top
And flaming
That is
Flaming
Yeah
You're an expert
On flaming
Yes
A flaming pile
Of dog shit
On a stick
With pralines on top
And candy coated
That's how horrible
It is
I'm sure there's like
A baby Jesus
In there too
It's
Absolutely
The most abysmally
Horrible
Piece of software
I've ever used
In my entire life
But tell us
How you really feel
Really horrible
Anyway
I've been
Banging my
You know
The install
Was absolutely
Impossible
It's
Configuring it
Is like
Putting on mittens
And then trying to
Solder
No sorry
Putting on boxing gloves
And then trying to
Solder
It's not
It doesn't
Give you any
Flexibility
And so
The other thing
I did
Was that I cut
My client over
From post lines
To ISD and PRI
Because that way
It's all digital
And it's all happy
And it's all good
Then
So
I tried to put in
A paging system
And I put in
I put a sound card
Into the machine
And it
Made the machine
It made the T1 card
Go haywire
Like
None of the spans
Worked
The thing was
Behaving intermittently
And
So okay
I swapped cards around
I couldn't get it to work
I finally
To hell with it
Pulled out the sound card
Eventually went with
The USB sound card
And that worked
But I pulled out
The sound card
Put the FXO card
Back in
And
Started up the system
And then
I turned on the system
And it
Let me
Prefix this
For a second
I was doing this
I said okay
Let me put it back
The way it was
It's about
You know
4.55pm
On December 31st
I want to get out of here
I want to go home
I want to go to my party
Have a cool New Year's Eve
I can get back here
And screw with it tomorrow
So I put everything back
Turn it back on
At 4.55pm
And I was planning
To leave at 5
And then the system
Starts turning on
And then starts beeping
The vicious
Screeching
Beep of death
The vicious
What does the vicious
Beeping
Scream of death
Sound like
There's from
Sounds like
Is it supposed to be
Doing this
Well
It's supposed to be
Doing this
Under the conditions
That it showed
Which was that
Two of the three drives
In the RAID 5 array
Had failed
Oops
Yeah
And
So
I
I looked at my friend
Who was helping me
With this
And he looked at me
And he said
You know
We can't leave here
Until the system
Is back up
Right
And I said
Oh
Fuck
Should I just
Go to the drugstore
And get some
Noisemakers
And confetti now
So
Eventually
It turned out
That the heart
That the system
Hadn't shut down
Correctly
Before I pulled
The plug on it
Oh
The last time
Yeah
And the drives
Hadn't finished
Spinning down
So they automatically
Went into lockout mode
Fortunately
Going into
The
Going into
The RAID controller
And forcing them
Back online
To fix the problem
But
Trust me
One of the things
That you don't want to do
When you've got a
New Year's Eve party
To go to
Is hear the
The screeching
Beep of horrific
Final death
Well really
Is there ever a time
Like even if you
Don't have a party
To go to
That you want to
Hear that beep
Well no
But there are
More convenient times
That can happen
But you actually
Have time to fix
The problem
Well I mean
There's always
More convenient times
But you never
Really want to
Actually fix the problem
You just want it to work
That's true
So
Then
I came back on
So
December
January 1st
I came back
Everything was working fine
I said okay
I'll come back on the 2nd
Because then people are
Are coming back
And I'll be able to
You know
Just troubleshoot
And make sure
Everything's working correctly
And of course
It
New Year's Eve weekend
Had to be like
The first major stormy weekend
In Los Angeles
In like
Months
And I come back
And I
And I notice
That calls rooting out
Over the POTS lines
And I say
What the hell
And I go back
And I look at the PRI
And the NIU
Is dead
What's
Just for everyone else
What's an NIU
The NIU
Is the interface device
That the phone company
Installs
At your end
Of the T1
So that
It can remodulate
The signal
And send it out
To the phone company
And
It
Was dead
Oops
The PRI was down
The phones were all down
And I called up SBC
And they said
Well because of the storm
And because of the fact
That today is actually a holiday
And we're on reduced staff
We can't get to your problems today
And we can send somebody out tomorrow
And
It was
It was at that point
That I started
Really going totally insane
And I have spent
The rest of the day
I spent the rest of the day
Yelling at the phone company
And I spent today
Yelling at
The phone company
And
Also yelling at Digium
But that's another story
Because it turns out
The T1 card
Can't do an automatic
Loopback test
From the phone company
Of course
The cool thing
About
Being friends with Mark Spencer
Is that when
Digium Tech Support
Says something
Which doesn't make any sense
I just call him
And I say
Hey
This makes no sense
And he's like
Yeah that doesn't make any sense
I'll get on it
Use a name drop for you
Yeah
So
And my client said
Strom
You rock
Lulzer
Oh my god
Barbecue hacks
Yes
We have callers
On the line
Which we'll get to
In a second
Low Tech
Do you have any
Personal hacking stories
That don't involve
Carrying your hair out
Well
Other than
Just recording
On the radio show
And working
Not really a whole lot
I recorded
A New Year's special
While I was at work
I got a little
Dinky pizza delivery job
And so
I had the honor
Of closing the restaurant
On New Year's
So
I took the opportunity
While I was
Driving around
To record a little audio
And make a little
Dinky New Year's Eve
Special
So
So what radio show
Is this?
This is
Ninja Night School
Radio
And it will be located
At
NinjaNightSchool.com
Just to plug that out there
Because I know what it is
But not everyone else does
That's right
And just to let everybody know
That I was a
Little project
Of
Droops the site
The podcast incubator
And so like anybody
Who's interested
In starting
Their own podcast
They can come
To Podcast Incubator
And Podcast Incubator
Will provide
A free
Hosting
And a place for them
To start their podcast
And see if this is
Really what they want to do
Because no one actually
Wants to produce
A radio show
Lord knows we don't
We just have to do this
Because all these people
Like to listen to us
For some odd reason
So
Strom
Do you want to
We've got
We've got like
Tons of callers tonight
I think this is a
Record
This is amazing
Three simultaneous callers
Yeah
Well actually
It looks like one of them
Fell off
But
Oh that stinks
Yeah
So anyway
I'll
Let's see
Who's on
7001
That was like
How Strom talks to everybody
Just to make sure
They're okay
And we just sit here
Wait for them
Come in and say
Hey it's so and so
Yeah
Okay 7001
Must have hung up
Let me try 7002
Oh
We don't
We didn't have
Three simultaneous callers
This actually
This hurts
It hurts us
On the inside
It burns
Yeah and that
That actually was
An interesting caller
So if that caller
Wants to call back in
That was pretty cool
He was going to
Talk about
Yeah he was going to
Call about
Like this thing called
All peers
Which is like
This peer to peer
Extension for Firefox
That actually
Sounded interesting
Yeah it does
Yeah I don't know
What the hell it is
I mean why the heck
Would you want a
Peer to peer client
For a web browser
But apparently someone
Thought it was a good idea
Yeah
Daff
Daff doesn't like us
Daff hates us
On the inside
He wants us to
Wow Strom
Way to talk there
So
So how long has
Ninja Night School
Been around there
Low Tech
Ninja Night School
Has been around
Since we did the pilot
At the beginning of August
And then I kind of
Put it around
And put a couple
Shows out
In the month of September
And we've been doing
A couple episodes
Every month since
Is it on like
A fixed schedule
Or is it just more of a
We'll do it when it's done
Well it's a
It's more of a
We're ninjas
So you never quite know
When we're going to
Pop out next
So we like to
Keep you on your toes
So you know
A little surprise you there
So since
If you're ninjas
Going to night school
Are you ninjas
Without a GED
Well really the whole
Concept is that
Basically that
We're all
Noobs
About something
So
What I try to do
Is just bring
Different topics
To the table
That I find interesting
That are kind of
Obscure
And people may not
Know about
Yes we all
Are noobs
About something
That's something
That I feel very much
About
We've got Druid
On the show
Hello Druid
Druid how's it
Oh fuck
Shum how's it going man
I'm actually a reporter
For USA Today
And I want to ask you
A couple questions
Why did Lucky get banned
From the BinRev forums
Well actually
I had a bet
With
Stank
Saying
Oh you know
I don't think
Any of the drama
Will spill over
From the
From the forums
And come over
Onto the radio show
He said
Oh you're doing live call
And someone will call in
Something will happen
And I thought our audience
Was above it
But I guess not
Yeah
That's kind of sad to me
If someone wants to
Talk about this
I will be in the
Pound BinRev
On irc.dowel.net
After the show
And we can
People can ask me questions
And I will explain
All of our positions
As official BinRev members
And I think that
We'll
Kind of put that
Well hopefully
People won't actually
Come up and
Try their show
Because we don't want
We don't
We don't like drama
We don't want drama
To spill over
From the forums
On to the radio show
And also
If you want to
Spill the drama
It means you're
A stupid little kid
So
No I mean
People
People have
People want to know
And I really don't
People want to know
Yes but
But for some reason
People seem to want
To know publicly
It's like they want
To make a big deal of it
They want to
Masturbate on the air
They want to get
Their name out there
To some you know
As the one who
Brought down
Or some stupid
Childish
Whatever the hell
Well I mean
It's not only that
It's just
It's also
Just people want
To get out there
Yes true
I think that's
A portion of it
But just people
Oh geez
You know
Why are you doing this
And they just want
To put you on the spot
So I mean
I'm coming out publicly
And I'm saying
I will be there
After 11pm
In the IRC channel
If you want to
Come and call me out
Or just you know
Say that
Thanks horrible
Just come on to the IRC
And we can talk about it there
So actually
Let's take our third caller
And see if our third caller
Is more of an adult
Nightlord's a good guy
And he actually
Have a question
That's kind of on topic
So we'll just use that
To segue into the
Actual show material
And Strom fades out
Into oblivion
So
After 11pm eastern
I will be in the IRC channel
Come and talk to me there
And call me
Horrible names
And stuff
So we don't
We don't get a special
A very special
Binrev radio
About this
Or anything
No I mean
It's just
They're two
They're two separate entities
The four
They're somewhat related
But this radio show
And the forums
They're just
They're still two
Oh shoot
I accidentally
Disconnected
Nightlord
Will you please
Call back
Nightlord
Oh damn
We're not doing
Good tonight
Are we
No
I think
The working
For a week
Solid
Without a day off
Has totally
Frazzled me
Because like
The last caller
I screwed up
The joining
On the conference
Bridge too
Man that
That hurts us
All of our
Like listeners
We're calling them
Childish
And then we're
Hanging up on them
And yeah
Anyway
So our show
Tonight is
How to make
Your own radio show
And obviously
We're not a
Shining example
Of that tonight
Especially the live one
Yeah
So well
We're really
Going to cover
Two things
We're going to
Cover like
You know
Recording live
And recording
Long distance
And then we're
Going to have to
Do like
You know
Tape shows
Versus
Tape shows
Versus
Live shows
And actually
We'll
Nightlord
Is going to
Call back in
And just
Talk to him
On IRC
So
The guy's
Showing up
On the queue
Here so
Yeah
I guess
The whole
Easiest way
To do it
Is the
You know
The whole
Recording in person
Thing
Because basically
You're all
Sitting there
You can actually
Have
Actually make it
Sound like a
Real radio show
Basically
The easiest way
To do this
Is actually
Found
And it's
Called it
M-Audio
USB Duo
And what it is
Is a very nice
Little
You can set
On two separate
Inputs
And two separate
Outputs
I'm sorry
Two separate
Inputs
And combine it
Into one
Separate output
And then you
Can remix it
All into
One line
And then on
Your computer
And you can
All make it
All nice
And sound
Good
Is Ninja
Night School
Well actually
I can't
Actually have
Listened to it
So I'm
Kind of
Feeling sad
About this
But
The ninches
Are on their
Way then
Right
I got to
Call Ninja Burger
And summon
The defenses
Yeah you are
Wise
Is it a
Is it like
A call in show
Or is it just
Like you know
People actually
Physically meeting
In front of each
Other or whatever
No it's
It's pretty much
Just me
By myself
Recording
Or every now
And then
When I do
Have a co-host
So far
They've all been
It's all been
In person
They've all been
In the hidden
Dojo studios
Alright we have
Nightlord on the
Line now
What's up guys
Sorry about that
Nightlord
Actually no
Strom should be
Apologizing
Yeah I already
Did apologize
I picked him up
Separately
And apologized
Profusely
So what's your
Question
Too many people
Talking at once
Okay
Here's my
Question
Well
As some of
Your listeners
May know
Nauticon is
Coming up in
April
And I am
Actually speaking
There
Well
That's another
Thing I want
To do
While I'm
There
I want
To do
A live
Version
Of my
Own
Podcast
Which is
Night's Round
Table
If nobody
Knows about
It
And I was
Wondering
What I could
Do to go
About producing
A live
Podcast
For an
Hour or so
And what
That all
Encompasses
To do
That
Well I mean
You can't do
A live
Podcast
That is
You can do
A live
Radio show
Yes that's
What I mean
A live
Radio show
Well with
That I mean
It's a whole
Question of
Just getting it
Up to a
Like an
MP3 server
Or an
MP3 streaming
Server
I'd like to
Humbly plug
BDP
Hack Radio
Here
It actually
You can set
Up your own
Shows
And you can
Have it
Like play
I'll upload
A show
Every week
And you
Play it
At this
Time
Or you
Can actually
Have it
Set up
Like we
Do
Previously
We used
To have
It
I upload
A show
Before 930
Every Tuesday
And it
Would play
That radio
Show
Up onto
The stream
But right
Now what
We're doing
Is we're
Actually
Streaming
Live
To the
MP3
Server
So
We'll
That's what
I like to do
That's what
I would like
To actually
Talk
Like you guys
Do the show
Right now
So people
Could like
We could give
The room number
And people
Could like
Drop in
To the room
That we're at
And like
Sit down
And be on
The show
And everything
Well
Strom
You're the one
Who set all
This amazing
Stuff up
Do you actually
Want to describe
How this
All happened
Yeah
This is pretty
Easy
What's going
On is
We're all
Connected to
A meet me
Conference
On my
Asterisk box
Here
In my
Apartment
That
Runs
Something called
What's
It's
It runs
ISIS
I think
It's an
ISIS
Plugin
For asterisk
Unfortunately
That only
Streams in
Aug
Vorbis
I mean
I guess
They could
Make it
Stream mp3
But
Since the
Bender
Server is
Only mp3
That creates
A bit of a
Problem
So
What happens
Is
The
I've got to
Run an
Icecast
Server
On my
PBX
So I
Stream
From the
Conference
To
The
I stream
From the
Conference
To
The
PBX
On the
Same
Box
And then
I run
Something called
Stream
Transcoder
And that
Transcodes
From Aug
Vorbis
To mp3
And upsamples
It to
22.5
Kilohertz
Like the
Server requires
And then
Streams it on
Off to there
And from there
You guys
Listen to it
Live
The call
In lines
Are handled
By
Should I
Get into the
Call in lines
Now or
Show you that
Later
Oh let's
Do the
Whole kit
And caboodle
Right now
Okay
The call
In
Basically
People call
Into our
Co-located
Asterisk
Box
And sit
In a
Que
And then
Zygman
Answers
The calls
Screens them
And parks
Them on
Specific
Extensions
And then
He tells
Us the
Parked
Extension
And gives
Us a
Synopsis of
What the
Caller is
Calling about
Which
Actually
Isn't
Always
True
Like
Druid
Did
Well
I mean
If they
Lie
But
I can
Always dump
Them off
The conference
Pretty quickly
Oh no
We got
Socialed
Yeah
Socialed
OMG
We're not
Immune
And that's
Pretty much
How it
Works
I pick
Them up
Here
And I
Bridge
Them in
And
That's
How that
All works
Sounds
Complicated
It's
Actually
Not as
Complicated
As it
Sounds
Although
The only
Problem is
Currently
I've got
To
Turn
Everything
On
Manually
At the
Beginning
Of the
Show
And I
Still haven't
Cron-Shopped
Anything
No
Yes
But
If you're
Just on
A podcast
It's going
To be
A bit
More
Of an
Issue
But
If you're
On
For example
A
Live
Streaming
Server
And you
Can
Actually
Set
One
Of
These
Live
Servers
Up
Pretty
Easily
It's
A
Program
Called
Ice
Like
Strom
Mentioned
And you
Can
Actually
Have
Your
Own
Going
On
There
It's
Just
More
Of
A
Matter
Of
Coordinating
Everybody
To
Tune
Into
The
Live
Stream
Like
All
Your
Listeners
You
Can
Go to
Nightlords
Roundtable
Dot
Com
Or
Whatever
Your
URL
Is
If
You
Have
One
And
They
Can
Point
Their
Winamp
Or
iTunes
Or
Whatever
It
Is
Over
To
What
It
Is
Over
To
That
URL
And
It
Will
Start
Playing
The
Stream
It's
Just
More
Of
A
Matter
Of
Coordinating
Everyone
Over
To
It
If
You
Want
To
Get
A
Whole
Lot
Less
Fancy
I
Believe
I
Mean
You
Can
The
The way
Stank
Actually
Had
It
Set up
When
He
Was
Recording
It
He
Basically
Had
A
Speaker
Phone
Right
Next
To
A
Omni
Directional
Microphone
And
That's
How
He
Took
In
Call
In
If
You
Listen
To
The
Old
Radio
Show
You
Can
Hear
The
Echo
Sometimes
From
The
Speaker
Phone
And
He
Would
Sound
Like
He
Was
Talking
Into
A
Microphone
And
I
Would
Sound
If
I
Were
Calling
In
Or
The
Co-host
That
Week
Would
Sound
Like
They
Are
Coming
Out
Of
A
Speaker
Phone
Which
Is
Very
Rudimentary
But
It
Works
It
Produced
A
Very
Fine
Radio
Show
With
It
So
Yeah
See
Realistically
What I
Prefer
To
Do
Actually
Is
Instead
Of
Having
Ratchet
And
I
Talk
Into
Telephones
I
Would
Like
To
Have
Us
Talk
Into
Real
Microphones
So
That
The
Quality
Of
Our
Voice
Is
Higher
But
The
Problem
With
That
Is
Then
We
Have
To
We
Have
We
Have
Problems
With
The
Time
Synchronizing
Correctly
Yeah
Because
Of
The
Time
Delays
In
Streaming
The
Audio
To
Each
Other
So
We've
Been
Thinking
About
That
But
Basically
You
Can
Set
Up
If
You're
Familiar
With
Asterisk
You
Can
Set
Up
The
Meet
Me
Conference
Like
We
Do
Or
I
Think
The
Easiest
Way
Is
Pop
In
On
A
Bell's
Mind
Bridge
Get
A
Speaker
Phone
Get
An
Omni
Directional
Mic
And
Hook
Into
Winamp
And
Set
Up
Icecast
I
Wasn't
Even
Going
To
Do
Get
A
Nice
Studio
Quality
Microphone
And
Everybody
Is
Just
Talking
To
It
And
Then
If
Anybody
Wanted
To
Drop
By
The
Room
And
Be
On
The
Show
Then
That's
The
Way
We
Were
Going
To
Do
It
But
We
Weren't
Going
To
Do
Call-ins
Because
I
Thought
I
Heard
You
Say
That
You
Wanted
To
Have
It
On
A
Bridge
Or
Something
So
Yeah
That
Actually
Really
Simplifies
Things
Because
There's
If
You
Go
To
Either
Shoutcast
Or
Icecast
There's
All
Kinds
Of
Crazy
Tutorials
Online
Of
How
To
Set
Up
A
Live
Streaming
Server
And
Basically
All
You
Need
Is
A
Laptop
Running
Winamp
And
It
Will
Encode
Everything
It's
All
Built
Into
The
Client
I
Was
Doing
This
Back
In
1998
Now
What
About
The
Software
Is
This
Free
Or
Is
There
A
Price
Icecast
Is
It's
All
I
Believe
Icecast
Is
GPL
And
I
Believe
Shoutcast
Is
Free
As
Beer
And
Winamp
You
Can
Run
On
Windows
And
I'm
Pretty
Sure
There's
A
Way
Of
Doing
This
Via
Linux
As
Well
I'm
Just
Not
100%
Sure
How
To
Do
It
Because
I
Haven't
Ever
Done
It
In
Linux
Actually
I
Haven't
Done
It
In
Windows
Since
1998
Or
Maybe
1999
I
Don't
Know
I
Really
I
Basically
Started
This
Free
Radio
Thing
In
My
College
Dorm
Floor
It
Was
Amazing
I
Like
Oh
Gee
This
Is
Really
Cool
And
I
Pointed
All
My
Friends
To
It
And
Instantly
There
Was
Tons
Of
People
Just
Like
Oh
My
God
I
Want
To
Have
My
Own
Radio
Show
It's
Amazing
How
History
Repeats
Itself
Yes
It
Is
So
You
Want
To
Go
To
Icecast
That
It's
Icecast
Dot
Or
And
I
Believe
It's
Shoutcast
Dot
Com
Okay
And
Winamp
As
Always
Winamp
Dot
Com
All
Right
Well
Thanks
A lot
Keep
Up
The
Good
Work
And
Shouts
To
Pound
Infonomicon
On
Freenode
Because
Infonomicon
Wales
And
Talk
To
You
Guys
Later
Hey
Thanks
For
Calling
Man
We
Have
Two
Off
Topic
Questions
In
The
Queue
And
We'll
See
If
We'll
Kick
Them
Later
Possibly
If
We
Run
Out
Of
Material
But
We
Don't
Want
To
Really
Now
That
We
Started
On
The
whole
Streaming
Radio
Thing
We're
Going
To
Try
To
Keep
With
That
Yeah
So
Yeah
Sorry
Andrew
And
Sorry
Marcus
Yeah
If
Stram
You're
Good
With
This
Audio
Recording
Thing
I
Mean
What
Kind
Of
Omni
Directional
Mic
Do
You
Have
Or
Do
You
Have
An
Omni
Directional
Mic
I
Don't
Think
I
Have
An
Omni
Directional
I've
Got
A
Unidirectional
Mic
That
I
Talk
Into
But
It's
Not
Omni
Directional
I
Mean
If
You're
If
You're
Going
To
Be
Talking
Into
A
Radio
Show
If
You're
Doing
Something
Where
The
Only
Thing
You
Want
The
Listen
To
Hear
Is
The
Sound
Of
Your
Voice
Use
A
Unidirectional
Mic
Because
An
Omni
Directional
Will
Pick up
Not
Only
Your
Voice
But
Every
Stupid
Sound
In
The
Room
Will
Kind
Of
Filter
Anything
That
Doesn't
Come
Directly
Into
It
It's
Not
Perfect
Of
But
It
Can
Actually
Go
On
And
It
Will
Just
Completely
Filter
Out
I
Was
Like
Wow
Because
I
Like
If
You
If
You've
Listened
To
My
Twat
Episodes
That's
All
Recorded
On
My
Radio
Shack
Mic
And
Every
Once
In
A
While
It's
Like
A
Background
Noise
And
I
Was
Like
Oh
I
Want
To
Record
That
Over
Again
And
It
Was
Like
Oh
There's
I
Can't
Hear
It
So
It's
Pretty
Cool
I'm
Thinking
Of
Doing
A
Twat
How
Long
Must
They
Be
I
Forget
Like
15
Minutes
Okay
Cool
I
Can
Do
A
Twat
On
ACTF
Yeah
We'll
Do
We'll
Do
We'll
Do
A
Whole
We'll
Point
Out
Links
To
Radio
Shows
That
We
Like
Later
As
For
Mixing
And
Recording
Like
I
Was
Saying
There's
The
M
Audio
USB
Duo
And
I've
Never
Actually
Record
Like
My
School
Actually
Played
With
Something
Like
This
For
A
While
And
What
It
Is
It's
Basically
A
Recording
Device
That
You
Can
Mix
Two
Line
In
Together
And
Have
It
Pre-amped
Out
And
All
Kinds
Of
Wonderful
Stuff
And
Just
Mix
It
Into
One
Line
In
So
You
Can
Plug
It
Into
Your
Computer
And
Have
It
All
Done
Automagically
For
You
And
Not
Have
To
Worry
About
Getting
Recording
Software
Low-Tech
What
Do
You
Actually
Use
To
Record
Well
I
Have
Been
Using
A
Program
Called
Total
Recorder
For
The
Most
First
Part
Of
The
Show
And
I
Just
Recently
Within
The
Last
Week
Downloaded
Audacity
And
I
Have
Been
Playing
Around
With
That
And
I
Have
To
Say
I
Quickly
Fell
In
Love
With
That
As
Well
Although
I
Am
Still
Very
Deeply
In
Love
With
Total
Recorder
Just
Because
It's
So
Damn
Simple
Well
Total
Recorder
Yeah
I
Do
Enjoy
Total
Recorder
And
It
Has
Other
Advantages
For
Recording
But
Audacity
Is
Nice
For
Like
It's
Very
Professional
And
Semi
Professional
It's
All
The
Advantage
Of
Audacity
Over
Basically
Every
Other
Recording
Program
We're
Going
To
Mention
Right
Now
Is
That
It's
Free
And
It's
Free
As
In
Beer
And
Free
As
Speech
So
You
Have To
Pay
Anything
And
You
Can
Open
Up
All
The
You
Don't
Have
To
Open
Up
The
Wallet
For
It
Audacity
It's
A
U
D
A
S
I'm
Sorry
A
U
D
A
C
I
T
Y
Dot
Sourceforge
Dot
Net
That's
A
Free
Program
And
I
Actually
Have
Used
It
To
Edit
Up
The
Early
Versions
Of
Bin
Rev
Radio
Before
I
Plunked
Down
And
Bought
Something
Else
Yeah
I'm
Personally
A
Big
Fan
Of
Adobe
Audition
I
Quite
Like
It
Adobe
Audition
Basically
Is
Audacity
But
It's
Much
Better
And
But
Unfortunately
Have
To
Pay
Through
The
News
For
It
I'm
Not
Sure
Total
Recorder
Is
A
Really
Nice
Program
It's
Very
Much
Subscribed
To
The
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
Program
Principle
So
Yeah
Total
Recorder
It's
Like
An
$11
Program
For
Like
The
Standard
Edition
Which
Like
I
Bought
That
Back
In
Gosh
96
Or
Whatever
And
I
Still
Use
That
Same
Code
And
As
Long
As
You're
Not
Trying
To
Do
Multiple
Tracks
And
Stuff
It
It's
Perfect
For
Doing
A
Lot
Of
Things
I
Moved
To
Audacity
For
Doing
A
Lot
Of
The
Multi
Tracks
Like
If
I
Want
To
Have
Background
Or
Different
Things
You
Know
Different
Layers
Going
On
In
One
Track
If
You've
Got
Multi
Tracks
It's
Just
It
Turns
Into
A
Real
Big
Pain
With
Total
Recorder
You've
Got
To
Start
Fixing
External
Devices
And
It's
Just
A
Lot
Easier
With
Audacity
Well
With
Total
Recorder
It's
Very
Much
Just
Recorder
But
Audacity
You
Can
Edit
You
Can
Mix
You
Can
Do
M-A-D-E-U-S
Two
It's
A
Mac
Only
Audacity
Editing
Program
And
It's
For
Pay
But
From
What
I've
Heard
It's
Pretty
Good
But
I
Don't
Really
Have
A
Dedicated
Mac
That
I
Use
For
Editing
So
I
Don't
Really
Do
It
Another
Fun
For
Mac
One
Is
Garage
Band
Which
Is
The
Free
With
iLife
So
It's
Kind
Of
Free
But
Not
Really
Free
As
Steve
Job
Yeah
Exactly
Again
Adobe
Audition
Which
Is
For
Pay
Very
Much
So
And
I
Believe
It's
Cross
Platform
If
You
Find
That
You
Can
Actually
Find
Older
Trials
Online
Of
The
Program
That
What
It
Was
Called
Before
It
Wasn't
Actually
Developed
By
Adobe
The
Program
Before
Cool
Edit
Yeah
Cool
Edit
And
That's
Basically
Audition
Before
Adobe
Bought
It
And
It's
Really
Not
That
Different
To
Be
Honest
With
You
I
Not
Sure
What
The
Heck
Adobe
Did
But
They
Did
Something
And
They
Renamed
It
Well
They
Bought
The
Company
Out
And
Then
They
Pretty
Much
Killed
All
The
Other
Products
Which
Was
The
Only
Decent
One
I
Guess
And
I'm
Sure
They
Put
Their
Crack
Squad
Of
Programmers
On
It
And
Got
It
To
Start
Being
Less
Buggy
Because
I
Actually
Noticed
That
The
I
Yeah
So
Strom
Do you
Have
Any
Like
Recording
Tips
So
When
You're
When
You're
Actually
Setting
Up
There
You
Got
The
Microphone
And
You
Did
All
The
Audio
Prompts
And
Oh
Yeah
Well
I
Mean
First
Off
Get
A
Microphone
Stand
It
Sounds
Pretty
Horrible
If
You
Hold
The
Microphone
In
Your
Hand
You
Can
Pump
It
Into
The
Things
Make
Sure
That
When
understand you. Don't mumble.
Don't say deny instead of deny.
Yeah.
And if you're doing something pre-recorded,
don't be afraid to mess up
and start over because you can edit it.
That's the beauty of being
pre-recorded. With live, you know,
if we fuck up, we kind of have to
just live with a mistake. But with
pre-recorded, you can always change
whatever you did.
You don't want to know actually how many times I've
pre-recorded something and I just go,
and I just stop and I go,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I hit stop and then I rewind
and then I record over that bit. So no one's
none the wiser. Yeah.
No, no, I totally agree.
I've done the same thing. And actually, I
recommend doing that because
I've actually,
I guess I would call improved
what I would have put out because I've
went back and listened to what I
record and go, no, maybe I'll try something
else so you have another idea. So
yeah, experimenting and
restarting and
trying a million times is probably
part of the process for a
decent audio show.
Oh, definitely.
It increases your
effort, but at the same point, you're going
to make something that sounds incredibly
better.
Yes.
The,
what was I going to say?
When I was recording all the prompts
for DEF CON by phone,
there were tons of times when I just went
blah, blah, blah, blah up and
restarted and then edited things
together mid-sentence, in fact.
Like I would screw up a word and I wouldn't
want to go all the way back to the
beginning of the paragraph, so I'd just
back up a few words and start talking
again. And then you can actually splice
things together so they sound pretty
natural.
In fact, there was one actually where the
person had written one incredibly long
run-on sentence.
It was actually completely impossible to
speak the whole thing on a lungful of air.
You would have to stop, breathe, and go
again.
So, I got really bored and I decided to do
something silly that I'm sure nobody
noticed, which was record as much as I
could on one breath of air, you know,
take a deep breath, back up a few words,
go again, and go as long as I could.
And I had to do that like three or four
times. And then I spliced it all together
so it was one, just as it read, one
extraordinarily long run-on sentence without
stopping or breathing.
Only you would do that. And only you
would find that funny, but it actually
is kind of humorous.
You silly grammar Nazis, you'll go to
any, like, price to actually write it all
out.
Grammar spelling, Uber, all this.
Wait a second.
Yeah, man, you should never come to
Kentucky.
You'll have such a corny.
We're going to, we're drifting over to
grammar Nazis, dear God.
Yeah, the recording temp story, that
would be about it. So, basically...
Well, I mean, also, the good thing is
in a quiet place, I would assume.
Yeah. Make sure, the other thing to
make sure is make sure you're not
overdriving your recording device. I
hear this all the time where the, I
mean, there's only a limited dynamic
range you can record, and you can't
record louder than, I mean, if you look
at the waveform on your screen, if the
waveform is going past the upper and
lower limit of what you're recording,
if you're just flattening out, you're
too loud. Speak more quietly and step
away from the mic or turn down the
sensitivity on your mic, because it's
just going to sound like crap
afterwards.
Much like the radio does.
Yeah. And also, make sure you turn
off automatic gain control, because it'll
make things sound really terrible.
Well, that's a personal preference,
really.
If you want to have, like, a full
dynamic, you want to get to feel the
full dynamics of a conversation of
some sort, turn off automatic gain
control. If you're just recording
something for the hell of it, it
doesn't matter. Of course, you know,
personal preference, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So, well, this
all kind of...
Could I also interject real fast with,
when, like, recording your voice?
I also like, you know, if you've got a
microphone that's maybe not the best
quality, I'd also like to remind
everybody that voice itself doesn't
require a high bit rate. So, like, I have
a cheap microphone that I actually found
in the trash. I dumpster-dived and found a
microphone and said, okay, I'm going to do a
radio show. And to bypass part of the
low quality, I record in 24 kilobits a
second. And so, it's not going to pick
up, you know, so much of...
What sample rate is that?
Well, it's, uh, it's the same you guys
encode the show at when you're releasing
it in 24 kilobits.
Well, I encode at 24 kilobits a second,
but there's a difference between the
encoding rate and the sample rate. I
mean, you can encode at 24 kilobits a
second and do anywhere from, like,
8 kilohertz sample rate to, I think you
can do, like...
44, okay.
44, yeah, 44.1 kilobits.
Oh, uh, at 22.05.
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, 22.05.0 hertz.
Right, yeah, sorry.
Yeah, okay.
And also, uh, one thing, uh, like, I was
recording in my room, and I've got, like,
a little ceiling fan. Uh, we've got, like,
a little dog in the house. And so, when I
was just recording and talking on the
mic, you could hear the clicking of the
fan, you could hear the dog running up
and down the hallway. And so, what I
decided to do is actually turned on some
background music in the room, put a
speaker up next to where the microphone
stand was, just as an experiment, turned
the sound down, you know, loud enough to
where it would come through on the mic, but
not actually distort or anything or sound
too bad. And that was enough sound to
actually cover up all the background
noise and actually improve the sound
quality overall. So, feel free to
experiment with lots of different things.
Just because you think it may not work
doesn't mean that it won't. Uh, sound is
real finicky, especially different,
different microphones react totally
different ways. You'd be surprised, but
you could get away with, you know,
different situations. So, definitely
experiment.
Totally. I think one of the things few
people realize is that your brain
unconsciously edits out so many things
that you're not actively listening to.
There's so much background noise going
on that your brain doesn't think about
that it automatically edits out. And then
when you try and record something, you
go, wow, I can hear all the stuff that I
haven't been paying attention to.
One of the things Iron Geek...
Yeah, it's amazing when you're actually
playing that back. Um, one of the things
Iron Geek...
And actually that...
Hmm?
One of the things Iron Geek is, uh, is
pointing out in the channel is that
there are, like Audacity, for example,
and Adobe Audition as well have, have
noise filters. So, if you're doing
something pre-recorded, you can actually
actively filter out some, some of the
background noise.
Yeah, my, uh, my buddy, Lord
Drakenblut, he sent me a good tip where
if you were going to use your, uh, Audacity
for editing, at the beginning of your
sound file, leave, uh, two or three
seconds of silence at the beginning and
then when it goes to filter out, it'll
pick that. And, uh, he sent me a
recording I'm going to use on the show. And
he's driving down the road in his truck
and you would, you would never know it. He
sounds just like he's sitting in, you
know, in his room. It was amazing. So, I
would like to recommend that to
everybody. That's something I'm going
to start trying out.
I gotta say, that's pretty, that's
pretty hardcore if you're recording
your show in your truck.
Well, I did an episode of BinRev from
Interstate 5 once upon a time.
Well, yeah, you did, but it sounded like
crap.
Yeah.
See, if we, if we actually had, I
actually know that was pre-recorded,
wasn't it? But anyway.
Yeah.
Look at that, Strom. You're, you're as
hardcore as Lord Draken, whatever his
name is.
Draken.
Draken Blue.
Yeah, Blue.
That was close. Just long you rather
than a short you.
So, um, so we're kind of, okay, we
covered like, you know, this is all
good if you're actually, you know, just
one person or two people sitting out
at a table, um, you know, recording
your show. Now, we, now, the other
thing is what, what happens when you're
not doing, you don't do that. Like, for
example, Strom's in LA and I'm in
Boston and low-tech, I don't even know
where the heck you are.
I'm in Kentucky.
You're in Kentucky. Well, it explains
why you went to, mentioned Kentucky
when we're talking about grammar
Nazis.
That's right. I live in the
bourbon capital of the world.
A lot of whiskey around here.
And bourbon.
Set on down.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Bring it on.
We'll have to take, we'll have to take
a bus and just get a designated
driver.
Hey, everybody come to Nauticon. I'll
bring plenty. You know, hey, Whiskey
River.
Yeah, I'll have to mention Nauticon at
the end of the show.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what that is.
But anyway, um, so we're, you know,
three people with the whole, you know,
separate geo, geographic areas here.
I think we're all in different time
zones. Kentucky is central time, isn't
it?
Eastern.
Oh, okay.
Well, so much for that theory.
Well, you know, also back in the
default radio days, I mean, Doug used
to be at his house and Lucky used to
be somewhere. And Decoder used to be
at New York. So that was like three
separate areas.
Yeah.
That was even pre-asterisk.
Oh, yeah.
They used to be really hardcore.
So one of the ways we do, and we
already should have covered it with
Strom here, is the whole asterisk
setup thing. And you wanted to get
ice cast and meet me conferences and
stream it all that way. Um, the more,
I don't know what you want to say,
more stone age way of doing things.
Back, back in the day, this is the
only way of doing it is, uh, actually
what, what Doug used to do is he used
to have a phone line and he used to
have a voice modem that would cover
into the, you'd call into a bridge on
his voice modem and he would start
recording the bridge and the voice
output would go into his sound card
input and used to record everything
via, uh, um, back then it was cool
edit, I think, still, or at least I
thought he was recording it in.
And he used to, uh, record it with
that.
So that was, that was pretty hardcore.
He actually did it via a, on analog
tape one week, if I remember
correctly.
Oh, fine.
He thought radio dot com, I, I
believe that was, uh, it's, it's
always, it's always fun to listen
to. They, they, good show they made
out.
Yeah.
Let me think the, um, yeah, one of
the cool things about doing it with
asterisk is you can actually have set
asterisk to record it digitally.
That's what we do.
The asterisk.
Oh, yeah, true.
We didn't even, we didn't even mention
the monitor command.
Yeah, the monitor command will record
it all digitally for you and then you
can just load it into, into Audacity
or Adobe Audition or whatever you have
to be using and edit it up there.
So it's really quick and easy and
despite that I haven't put the last
week's show on yet.
You know, I wouldn't even mention
that it really is quick and easy
when I get around to actually doing
it.
Um, yeah, so, yeah, it's quick and
easy.
It basically takes me about a, if,
once, I mean, the first couple of
times you did it, it used to take me
like an hour or two.
Mm-hmm.
Of course, it was like the, like the
first time I did it for me, like
three, three and a half hours to edit
the damn thing up and because I, uh,
had a very slow computer.
But on a, on a medium-fast computer,
I can usually get it done in about
an hour or so.
Mm-hmm.
Editing it all up, splicing it all
together.
You know, doing a couple of
outtakes.
Compressing.
Sampling and then uploading it and
putting it all in.
So, it's pretty quick.
Yeah.
Um, another way of doing it is
actually, I, I actually haven't seen
it, but I don't know if Skype has a
way, uh, if you get one of their
phones, you can, um, set it into a,
uh, audio path and just have it
record the same way.
And, uh, as long as you wave the
appropriate dad chicken at it, it'll
work.
Well, yeah, Skype's always interesting.
Of course, with Skype, you'll actually
sound very horrible.
Yeah, Skype is.
Even more horrible than we do.
Yeah, Skype, we're actually using
real long-distance quality, uh,
telephone connections, whereas Skype
uses, like, mobile phone quality or
worse.
It uses internet low band, sorry,
internet low bandwidth codec, and
it's, it's absolutely abysmal for
recording a radio show.
Mm-hmm.
Sounds like there's a fire in my
city.
I hear all the fire engines roaring
by.
Do you smell burning?
Do you see ashes?
I don't smell burning, so I'm not
going to evacuate, and I'm going to
continue doing the show.
BinRev Radio live from the Great
Boston Fire of 2006.
Da-da-da-da-da!
Well, the last Great Lynn Fire was,
uh, 1980.
I was, like, you know, three weeks
old at the time, I believe.
It's not even that.
Yeah, firestorms are more of a
Southern California thing, I think.
Yeah.
Or Texas, in this case.
Hmm?
You guys are, you guys are flooding
down in, uh, Florida, or California,
aren't you?
Well, it was raining yesterday,
but not today.
Yeah.
I don't think it was flooding,
per se.
I know they have...
Well, yeah, us, us, us East
Coast boys, we have no clue where
you actually are in relation to
this, uh, Napa Valley thing going
on here.
Oh, Napa Valley is, like, a six-hour
drive north of me.
We don't know this stuff.
Wait, wait, that's, that's
north of San Francisco.
So we don't know nothing about
them fancy maps now.
We're glad you're safe.
Oh, yes.
Mainly because we're calling in
on your asterisk box, and if
you're not here, we're not doing
much of a radio show.
Yeah.
I really should set this up so it
does everything on Telstar, but,
uh, yeah, we'll get into that.
Um, then finally, the third way of,
uh, doing this whole long-to-sense
thing, you can do, uh, very, very
old school.
You can, uh, actually have a
recording patch worked into your
telephone, like, for example, a
Western Electric 2500 set.
And, uh, whenever I actually, I
actually do a version of this,
whenever you hear, like, the
stupid soundboard things, I
usually have a laptop hooked up
to my 2500 set, which is dialed
into the conference, and a
recording patch is connected up
between them.
And, uh, I play sounds on the
computer, and it gets relayed to
the conference.
And I can record the conference if
I wanted to do it that way.
But we use asterisk, and asterisk is
a whole lot better than doing that.
Black Ratchet says, asterisk is fun.
Exactly.
So, that basically, uh, we want to
get into publishing, I guess, now,
is, uh, we're going to humbly plug,
uh, DDP Hack Radio, which is, uh,
DDPHackRadio.org, and that's,
they'll provide, you know, streaming
servers, and you can get your own
radio show, and you can upload it,
and they'll play it for you.
And you can get a good audience.
I mean, we, we have, I'm, I'm,
do you know how many people are
currently on the stream?
Uh, I can look.
Yeah.
One moment, please.
Do, do, do, do, do, do.
We, we, I, I think right now the
maximum, it could be 50.
I might be wrong.
We have 30 people listening to us
right now.
Yeah, 30 people listening to us,
and that's all 30 of you.
Yeah.
Thank you for coming by, listening to
us.
Yeah.
Makes us feel like we actually
want to do stuff.
Yeah, well, let me do, like, a
really rudimentary quick
calculator.
Where's, where's my calculator?
I've actually got a real calculator
around here somewhere.
Well, it's a heck of a lot of
bandwidth.
I'm going to pull up my, oh, here
it is, right in front of me.
It's about 600 and, 720 or so.
Yeah, 24 kbps each.
Yeah, 720 kilobits a second.
I think that doesn't even include,
like, Ethernet framing and whatnot.
No, no, of course not.
That's no overhead, so.
Yeah.
That's a heck of a lot of bandwidth,
for those who don't know.
That's, like, really, that's
really pushing it.
Yeah, so, at least one and a
half megabits a second, I would
assume, for, you know, 35
listeners.
Yeah.
And I believe we go all the way
up to 50, so that's a good
service, and just, I believe the
email address, if you want to
actually use it, they're pretty,
they're all open, and just as
long as you provide a radio show
on a fixed schedule, they'll
put you up there.
Stank's pretty good about that.
Do you want to plug Podcast
Incubator and tell us what it is
there, Low Tech?
Oh, yeah.
Podcast Incubator is a site set up
for, basically, where you can
become the media.
Basically, the whole gist is that
we don't like all the podcasts
that, you know, you have to listen
to sponsored by whatever and this
and that.
You know, we think that you should
just be able to sit down and do
whatever you want.
And so, if you would like to do a
podcast and wouldn't have to worry
about, you know, dishing out some
cash for hosting and serving,
service and bandwidth and all that,
well, then you can come to Podcast
Incubator, and what we do is we will
host your show.
We'll give you a site to put up all
your stuff, and we give you a podcast
and, hopefully, a little bit of
audience and a place to ask
questions and learn, because we're
Podcast Incubator is just one big
community of people all learning
about recording, and we're, you know,
we're all here to help one another.
Droops and Night Lord are actually
working on a live distro of Slack's.
They're calling it Podcast Fertilizer,
and you're going to go...
Is it full of shit?
No, no, no, but...
I like the name, actually.
It's pretty funny.
Yeah, yeah.
What you'll be able to do is you'll
be able to throw this live distro,
you know, boot off of it, and it's
going to have all the software and
equipment that you need, software-wise,
to record and produce a podcast.
So, that way, if you don't have the
software or don't have, you know, a
computer to do all this on, then if
you've got a thumb drive and a CD
drive, you know, then you can mount
everything off the thumb drive, in
theory, and, you know, you can produce
a show that way.
So, we're trying to make as many tools
as possible for anybody that wants to
get out there and produce content, to
produce content.
And one of the things about Podcast
Incubator is that it's not twat tech.
You don't have to be all hardcore
technology-based.
If you've got a hobby or something that
you like or are interested in, and you
think other people would be interested
in it, then bring that to the table and
share it with everybody.
It doesn't have to be technology-based.
You know, it can be about anything you
want.
And we recommend that if you're going to
do a podcast, do it about something that
you like doing.
Amen.
If you don't have fun doing your show,
it's not worth it.
And just sit down in the microphone and
go do something else.
Don't waste your time.
I mean, that's one of the main draws for
me doing my show, is that I have a
blast doing it.
It's just so much fun.
And the fact that there are people out
there that are actually downloaded and
listening to it, that just takes it to a
whole other level.
So, I mean, you know, and it's something
I'll continue to do until it's not fun
anymore.
And I don't ever see that happening.
One thing that occurs to me is we should
actually have gotten Jason Scott on here
because he had had some really cool
points when I was talking to him at
TorCon about doing your own show and
particularly about having content that
you like.
And one of the points that stands out to
me is, you know, so many shows, you
often, they start off with a really good
idea, but they can never seem to find
enough content, and it kind of fizzles
out at the end.
And if you're not sure that you're
going to be able to have enough content
to have it, you know, go continuously
open-ended like we do, a really good
idea is to make it, you know, a set
series of recordings.
Like, say you're going to have ten
episodes, you know, a series talking
about something.
And in episode one, you're going to
start off talking about this.
In episode two, you'll talk about this
next thing.
And you plan it out ahead of time, and
by the time you've gotten up to ten,
you've completed a whole series on
something, and then, you know, you can
take a break, and then you can restart
a new series on something else.
And that'll, I think, and that, and
that, anyway, what he claims is it'll
lead to higher quality, higher quality
material.
I mean, it's, it's, for those of you
who don't know, it's interesting trying
to come up with a topic every week.
Oh, yeah.
It is not as easy as you'd think.
We typically, I mean, like, I didn't
even have any to say in the topic this
week.
Like, I've been working so hard, I
haven't even had time to think about
it.
And, um, and what happened?
And, and Ratchet just called, messaged
me up this afternoon and said, hey, let's
do it about this.
I'm like, okay.
It wasn't this afternoon, it was
yesterday afternoon.
Was it?
I think so.
I, I don't remember.
Time, yeah, time is starting definitely
to just, like, dilate and, and morph
inside my head.
Okay, we, we definitely, it was
definitely, it was definitely, like,
yesterday, I believe.
I was, it wasn't today, because
basically I'm more ahead of a, because
I had to talk to droops last night,
so.
Yes, but definitely, we, we come up
with a lot of the subjects we're
going to talk about, either, you
know, Saturday or Sunday, or
sometimes even Monday.
Sometimes we have really good ideas
way ahead of time, and they fizzle
out.
Yeah, so that's more, it's happened
more than a few times.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll, I'll tell you guys one
thing I, I did in preparation for an
into night school, before I ever sat
down and recorded my first episode, I
came up with 10 show topic ideas, so
that way I had at least 10 shows ready
to go, you know, that, you know, topics,
you know, and I would go out and pick
the topic and then make some kind of
show notes, and then I would just kind
of let it sit, and I would come back to
it every so often, add a little bit more,
and then I would kind of, oh, well, you
know, I should talk about this, because,
you know, it's kind of like this, but
it's, it's almost too much to incorporate
with that one show, so I'll make it its
own show, and it also gives you a little
flexibility, because you, when it comes
time to record, you may not feel like
in the mood to talk about a certain one
thing, and you know what I'm saying, so
if you've got an option already picked
out there for you ahead of time, it kind
of helps that, well, I'll go with this,
and not to mention, as I am recording, I
continue to come up with new ideas as
things go, as time progresses, so I've
always got a somewhat little repertoire
of ideas available to me, so.
Well, we actually, we actually did do
that when we first started, and I had
about, like, 10 or so topics, however,
we've done much more than that, so.
We're running as, we're into the topic
really, but basically, I actually did say
to him, say to Strom this week, he's like,
man, we need to sit down, we need to have
a brainstorming session.
Yeah.
So we can get a list now, and we can
actually figure out all this stuff.
We actually have, I did get a couple
of emails this week, and the list week
and the week before, about stuff we
should do, so hopefully it comes out.
So, Strom, have we done an episode on
portable recording devices yet?
Can't say that we have, so we'll have
to talk about that during the
brainstorming session.
Yeah.
Strom, do you have a radio show you want
to plug a podcast or something?
As embarrassing as it is to admit
this, I'm on this show, but I really
don't listen to very many podcasts.
In fact, I don't listen to any
podcasts.
Not even this one.
I put it up, and that's the end of it.
All right.
Lowcheck, how about you?
Besides Ninja Night School, you've
plugged that in up this way.
I have to say, I've got quite a few
favorites.
I definitely always am waiting for the
next Gamer Radio and the Bellcore Radio.
Those are definitely two of my favorite
radios.
And also, there's another, it's not
necessarily tech-related.
It's a show called Josh in Japan.
It's this dude who just lives in Japan,
and he talks about what it's like living
over there, different cultural things.
Oh, cool.
That sounds interesting.
Yeah, it's joshinjapan.com.
So, check it out.
He's a military guy, but he's pretty
laid back.
He's real cool.
So, he's got a lot of interesting,
neat stories.
He does some sound audio tours,
riding the train, and the different
little nuances.
It's really fascinating.
I'll have to check that one out.
That sounds cool.
I'll plug TWAT Radio, TWATech.org.
I'm occasionally on it, so technically
I'm not completely independent, I guess
you could say.
But, actually, I've fallen behind the
past week or so.
I'm kind of disappointed in myself.
I haven't actually listened to much of
it.
But, it's a fun radio show.
Did some guy do a TWAT about your
Yapple system?
Yeah, yeah, some noob.
I didn't listen to it.
I was like, God, who the hell uses
Yapple?
Oh, yes, there's an episode about
Yapple that I haven't listened to,
and I'm very sad about that.
Thank you, Lotech, for doing an
episode on Yapple.
Do we still have our one caller that's
been sitting there forever?
We can try to get to him before we go.
Yeah, let's see.
Let's try 7001.
Hold on just a second here.
He's literally been sitting on hold
for, oh, I'd say about at least 20
minutes right now, and probably another
20 minutes beforehand, sitting on some
way or another.
So, he's been very patient.
We're going to get to him.
I wanted to try to wrap everything up
so we could give him about 10 minutes
or so.
So, yes, twatech.org.
It's a daily show, and it's a new
person, or not a new person, but a
different person every day doing some
different topic.
I did a little bit of the Boston
telephone system, and before that I did
something on .NET and all that good,
yummy C-sharp stuff.
So, I'm not sure if our person's still
there, but there's Strava still talking
to them.
We've got Mark S. here.
All right.
Hello, Mark S.
Hello, Major Latency.
No, no.
Someone's talking at me.
Oh, okay.
Come on, you're on the radio.
Jeez, jeez, man.
What the heck?
Don't you appreciate this whole
bin rev and how we do everything
professionally?
That's right.
xrev.com
What?
All right.
Well, thank you very much, and
Wow.
Yeah, I don't know.
Stop feeling about the
xrev.com is where the party said
pitches.
Hey, Tron, why don't you just go
Yeah, I don't know what the hell.
Franco!
Yeah.
Maybe we'll stop doing live shows.
Yeah.
We just like to say, fuck you, Mark S.
Thanks.
Yeah, I never liked him anyway.
He had the honor of being the first
person I ever blocked on my aim list
as Black Ratchet.
Wow.
So, let's see if 7002 is still there.
I don't think he is.
I think he popped out.
Well, hey, while Storm is checking,
I'd like to take a second to remind
everybody that at Podcast Incubator,
like I said before, it doesn't have
to be technology related, and one
thing that I would really like to
see that I think there's a real
major lack of in the scene is
entertainment-based shows.
You know, there's a lot of creative
people out there.
I know you guys are writing short
stories, sci-fi, stuff like that.
There is so none of that that is
existent around, at least that I've
found.
I would love some awesome little
sci-fi shows.
I don't know if you guys have
ever listened to Tales from the
After Now, as Sean Kennedy has
done.
No.
That was a real cool little audio
show.
You know, I did.
Well, what do you mean by sci-fi?
Did they just discuss sci-fi?
Or is it sort of like an old-school
radio show?
Yeah, like the old-school radio
shows.
You know, you've got some background
sound.
I mean, you know, that's...
I would like to see some more of
that.
I'm actually in the process of
working on a little series.
I'm going to get them all recorded
before I set them out.
But I want to do that myself,
just as an entertainment.
You know, I'm going to set up a
series of stories, you know, just
sci-fi based, you know, and go
through it like that.
Set up some background, you
know, and the noise, the sound
effects.
I'm going to see if I can't get a
couple of my buddies to come over
and help, you know, do different
voices, read different parts.
You know, that's something I think
would be very entertaining because
we're all very technology-based.
So if we put out some technology-based,
you know, fantasy, science fiction,
stuff like that, it's going to be
really good and detailed.
I mean, doing your own radio show
like that, that's pretty hardcore.
If someone manages to pull that
off, I'll give them, like, mad
props for that.
I can't believe I just said mad
props, but...
Well, you could say crazy props.
I'll give them crazy props.
Super elite props.
Or perhaps Machina prop.
Yes.
Do we have someone on the queue?
Sorry.
Do we have anybody on the queue?
Yes.
Do we?
No.
No, no.
Oh.
7,002 disappeared, and of course
Marques was an asshole, so...
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry to say that the drama
did pour over to the radio show,
and it's such a shame.
Yes.
It's sad.
But anyway, life will move on
and everything good.
So, we have some announcements.
Let's try that again.
See, that's normally what I would do
on the radio show,
except I would edit it out.
Houston 2600 meeting
will be this Friday, actually.
All 2600 meetings,
but Booter wants to tell us
that Houston 2600
will be there.
H-O-U-2600.org.
It will be at
NINF's Express
in the Galleria
next to Nordstrom's.
Parking, they say,
Red Level Garage 2.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Red Garage Level 2.
The Foley parking lot
is closed.
No.
Well, I have no idea
where they are.
But I know what Nordstrom's is.
I know what Nordstrom's is, too,
but I've never actually been to one.
Yeah, H-O-U-2600.org.
Boston 2600.
Los Angeles 2600.
Yeah, Boston 2600.
It's in Prudential, as always.
Between the two Omega clocks.
Just show on up.
I won't be there.
I'm moving the next day,
so, oh well.
Yeah.
LA 2600.
Yeah, Union Station,
then Philips,
then Denny's.
Denny's, yay.
Denny's.
And, oh.
Low Tech,
is there a
Kentucky 2600
or someplace
you want to give
an announcement for?
No, I wish.
I think I just found out
the other day about,
I think there's
a Louisville
computer users group
or something.
I believe Iron Geek
is a member of it.
So, I just found out
about that,
so I'm going to try
to start getting
involved with that.
But, other than that,
I think there's
very little computer
activity in the
state of Kentucky.
I think we're good
to get light bulb.
Too busy getting
trunk on bourbon, eh?
Right, yeah.
I mean, you know,
we're all wearing shoes.
You know,
what else more
do you people want?
Also, Stank,
Stank Dog,
if you see Stank Dog
in person,
he's trying to get
BinRev 407 started,
and that's
407.BinRevMeetings.com
if you want to get
all the information
on that.
He just wanted me
to give out the
website.
But I believe he will
be there,
if I'm not mistaken.
Lowtech,
do you have shouts?
Oh, I've also got
more announcements.
Oh, we still have
more announcements?
Yeah.
Layer 1,
if you're looking
for a conference
to go to,
and Noticon is
too far away,
if you're on the
West Coast,
Layer 1 is
roughly the same
time in April
in Pasadena,
and I will be
talking there.
I'll be giving a
talk at Layer 1.
I've just been
formally accepted.
Can you tell us
what the talk is?
The talk is going
to be on smart
cards.
Ooh.
Yes.
Ooh.
Nice.
How exciting.
Very exciting.
And hopefully I'll
give the same talk
at Defcon,
but catch it at
Layer 1 first,
because that's
going to be the
leader version.
Lowtech,
when's Noticon
happening?
Noticon is
April 7th
through the
9th in
Cleveland,
Ohio.
So if you guys
are on the
East Coast
and in the
area,
you guys should
come check it
out.
A lot of us
from the
Infonometron are
going to be
there.
I know Droops
and Iron Geek,
the Pony Boy
is going to be
up there,
a Night Lord.
We're going to
be doing a lot
of audio
recording.
We're going to
be having a lot
of fun.
Podcast Incubator
is going to be
running a contest.
We're going to
be giving away
a grand prize
as a ticket to
Noticon.
So if you're
interested in going,
you don't want
a ticket.
Come to Podcast
Incubator.
We'll have the
contest up in the
next day or two.
So feel free to
check it out.
And it's a pretty
easy contest.
It's Be the Media.
So just submit
some kind of media,
check the website
for more details,
and you can win
the ticket to
Noticon if you
want to go.
Check the website
for more details.
Boy, don't you
sound all official.
Check the website
for more details.
I can use that
legalist name
or not
not
I'm sorry,
I didn't know
we had more
announcements.
So is that
it for the
announcements now
or can we
go with
Shouts?
Layer 1.info
Layer 1 is
April 15th
through 16th
at the
Pasadena Hilton.
Do you know
what Noticon's
website is?
It's
noticon.org
All right.
Okay.
Shouts.
Low Tech.
Do you have
any Shouts?
Yeah.
I'd like to
give Shouts
to Sean
Kennedy and
the Rant
Media thing.
I think this
is their
seventh or
eighth year.
I can't
remember quite
which but
either way
their seventh
or eighth
year anniversary.
So awesome to
them.
I like all
the stuff that
they do.
They're pretty
cool cats.
I want to
give Shouts
to my
roommate
Bitbiter.
He's like
my real-life
hacker homie.
He taught me
a lot of
what I know
and he did
the cool
graphic for
the Ninja
Night School
website that
you see the
little banner.
So definitely
Shouts to him
and everybody
that's listening
and everybody
that wants to
contribute and
be part of
the media.
Don't be shy.
All right.
Well, thank you.
That was pretty
good Shouts.
I've got to say.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I'll give my
Shouts this week
to Mark Spencer
for making my
life a little
easier.
Yay.
I think it's
like Mark's
got Shouts
like two or
three times
on the show
from you.
Heavy?
I think so.
Huh.
Well, it's
usually just
because I
can't think of
anybody to
give Shouts
to and he's
the only person
who's been
extraordinarily
helpful.
So Shouts
to Mark.
And Shouts
to you,
Ratch,
for helping me
select that
USB sound
card at
Fry's today.
Oh, does
it actually
work?
Yeah, it
worked
beautifully.
Oh, spiffy.
Shouts out
to StankDog
setting up the
meeting, going
to all that
stuff.
Shouts to
Lotech, who
did a very
good job
being second
best this
week.
Thank you.
Yeah, and
Shouts out to
everyone else.
No shouts out
to Mark
podcast, though,
because he's
weird.
Anyway, I
don't know.
Side of the
week is
podcastincubator.com,
mainly because I
didn't fill in the
notes.
Yeah.
Side of the
week, also
layer1.info.
I figure I
should pimp that
because it's my
friends running it.
Yeah.
Might as well.
And I'm talking,
so yes.
Come see me talk
in person instead
of on the radio.
Can I actually see
him talk rather than
just listen?
Yeah.
Email radio
at binrev.com.
You get to watch
me gesticulate madly.
Whoa.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Our closing music
tonight is by
Nordbeat.
It's a song called
Moonflight.
I've plugged
Nordbeat before on
the show, and I
forget what the
website is, but
they basically, I
got this from
mp3.com back in
the day.
So, anyway, we'll
see you next week.
Same hack time.
Same hack
channel.
Same hack channel.
Same hack time.
Same hack will be
We'll be right back.