This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers
I see in binary, I speak source code
Step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you in a fag pose
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho
Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold
I was a dick with my 56
Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo
On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle
Our exchange you could never stifle
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z
Your CG, it's all gonna be free
Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely
You feel that rattle in your bones?
When I tell you we just hacked out Jones
At NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack
This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals
Serial code, source code, ISO, RAND
Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number
What episode number are we on? I don't have the notes in front of me
136 for February 21st, 2005, 2006
I'm Sean Carlson and I'm totally out of it
Nice to meet you all
Yeah, apparently
I'm Black Ratchet, live from Torino
Yes, we actually managed to call in this week
Apparently the Italian phone system is susceptible to blueboxing
So I was able to bluebox over to Venezuela
And then pick up a T-carrier trunk over to the United States
And we're doing some lead hacks or things here
But with us tonight is Natas
Yo, and I'm joining you from
And I'm joining you from someplace that I would rather not be
Somewhere on the eastern seaboard
Oh, where would that be? Come on
Or it's too cold
Too far from Australia
It's cold up in Italy
It's the Winter Games
Good shit
Yeah, I'm madly getting ready for us to do our official
BINREV Olympic report
God, you're still uploading that right now
If you reload the server
And we all go down
Yeah
Yeah, that would suck
Well, okay
We'll start off here
We're live
The phone number to call in
I believe Zygman is standing by
Anxiously awaiting your phone calls
At 888-9-BINREV
And our UK call-in
Which I assume still works
And I haven't been told otherwise
Is 0845-646-0102
So, if you should like
The two people that are currently awake in Britain right now
Maybe one of them is listening to our show
And they can call in
We're actually not sure if this even works
We should actually, you know
Get someone to call in long distance over to Britain
And then call back in to an 800 number over here
It would be tough
But, hey, at least we'll verify that's going on
This is my first time on the show live
Is it?
Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm kind of nervous
If I screw up
If I screw up, there's no editing
Oh, don't worry
We've screwed up worse than you
You edit out of the archives
Yeah
Well, I don't know
I guess I was going to really put this
In the personal hacking stories
But I guess I will bring it up right here
Right now
Let me go
Actually, I need a tiny URL
That URL
So, apparently
We all love and know Kevin Rose
You know, Kevin and the show
They go way back
What can we say?
But, so, Kevin Rose
As you all know
He started his little project
Dig.com
I'll give the URL up
D-I-G-D.com
And if you don't know what Dig is
It's
I don't even actually know
What the hell the Dig
Dig really is
Besides, like, some type of
Really crazy corrosion-like
URL aggregation
Yeah, something like
It ranks the URLs
By how many people
You can convince
To click on the link
Or something
Yeah
It's sort of like
Corrosion.org
Except it's not stories
It's just URLs
So
Either way
You know, we all
You know
Dig.com
Let me just
Tiny URL
This thing up here
So
It's been running
For a while
And apparently
There is
There was a website
Out there
Called Dig.de
Which is
Yeah
Germany
Yeah
I think so
Yeah, that's what I thought
I'm always like
Confused
What's Denmark
Is
DK
Yeah
DK
Oh, okay
So, okay
We'll ask everyone to
Now
Enter this tiny URL
Under there
It's tinyurl.com
Slash
Romeo
Echo
7
Lima
Romeo
And
So
There is a website
Out there
Called Dig.de
And
They've been around
Since 1998
And apparently
When Dig.com
Started getting popular
They
I mean
They've been around
Since 1998
And they were basically
Just somebody's website
They just tossed
Google ads up on it
And, you know
See if people could get
You know
Banner clicks
And try to make some money
Off this global interweb thing
So
They were run by
A non-profit group
I'm sorry
Non-commercial project
Of H07
And they put a disclaimer
Right on their website
Saying, you know
Not related to Dig.com
So
They've been around
Since 1998
And apparently
About
What was it
February 17th
According to this story
I'm sorry
Yeah
17th of February
2006
Dig Inc
Trademarked
Dig in Europe
And apparently
They have sued
Dig.de
Into oblivion
So
Dig.de
Is now
Yig.de
Y-I-G-G
Dot-D-E
And for those of you
Who don't know
I'm basically
Yig
So I guess
I guess
They're going over
To a Nordic thing
And trying to get
To a Swedish chef
I was gonna say
It sounds more like
A failed brand
Of Middle Eastern car
But
Yeah
Yugo
Not Middle Eastern
But
So
Or
Eastern European
Yes
That's Yugo
Didn't we talk about that
Two weeks ago
Yeah
Someone wrote in
Someone wrote a story
Someone was surprised
That we actually knew
What Yugos are
Apparently
Is in like
Yugoslavia
So
Yes
So
Kevin Rose
Our wonderful friend
Apparently
Has
You know
Completely
Turned his back
On the community
Which basically
He
Basically
Gets all of his
Material from
I would like to add
And has sued
A non-profit
I don't know
I think
Impersonator
Is
People are calling
An imposter
Impersonator
Really
It's just a
Knock-off site
I mean
There's
Fark.com
Which is another
Type of
URL site
And it's
There's another
There's a
Clone website
Out there
Called
Fark.ru
And they know
About it
They just
You know
They really
Don't care
I mean
It's all
Russian news
Stories
As opposed to
You know
English news
Stories
Or American
It's all
Chess and vodka
But
Kevin Rose
Has decided
To
Yeah
Well
Yeah
It's like
A ton of
Stories on
Vodka
And like
You know
Naked news
And
All kinds
Of crazy
Stuff
It's pretty
Amusing
But
Kevin Rose
Has decided
To completely
Turn his back
On the community
And you know
Spit on our faces
And try to sue
A you know
Website out of
Bolivian
So I guess
He's going the way
Of Bill Gates
And seeing the
Dollar signs
In his eyes
How do you know
That it was Kevin Rose
How do you know
It was Kevin Rose
Kevin Rose
Owens
Dig
Yeah
Yeah but
I mean
He probably
He is the leader
Yeah but you
Don't know
That he was the
One leading
The lawsuit
Or leading
The legal team
Or making
The decisions
For that
Because I mean
They have
Corporate
You know
That he had
A decision
Well they have
Venture capitalists
And stuff
That could
That pretty much
Probably
Tell them what to do
Well I mean
The venture capitalists
May have a stake
In the company
But you know
Surely he can
Object
And if he really
Were object
He would make
The objection
He might
What am I saying
He would make
The objection known
Publicly
If he really
Seriously objected
To it
He's like
You know
I object to this
But I have
No say in the matter
Or something
Did this come out
Today
Yeah
A statement
Or something
Yeah
So maybe
He had a couple
Days maybe
Not really
Because he knew
This stuff was going
Down
I mean they
Trademarked it
What is it
Four days ago
So they obviously
Must have known
That this was
Going to happen
And this is
Basically what
They were waiting
For
I mean
Yeah so
Yeah and plus
I think what the
Real
Apparently there is
A
There's rumors
About a Yahoo
Buyout of
Dick.com
Which
Just completely
That's like
20 million
Yeah
Which is sick
Crazy
I don't know
I always just
It's very
If Stank is listening
He'll love this
Statement
It's very
Jason Calsonis
Of them
Isn't it Jason
Calkanis
Whatever
I can't
I don't know
I don't do well
Like reading text
And translating it
Over to
Calsonis
Sounds like an
Italian
Yes
I'll take a nice
Little Calsonis
Please
Thank you
Yummy
So are
Are you ready
With your
Official Olympic
Report
Ratchet
I don't know
Are you
My intro music
Ready
Oh maestro
So
Okay
Once again
Now live
We have
The second
Ever
Binrev
Olympic
Moment
Live
From Torino
Black Ratchet's
Olympic Report
And
So
After
After much fun
Burying certain
Things that
Needed to be
Buried after
Last week
I hung out
With the
Austrian
Cross country
Team
And we
Had a
Generally good
Time
They partied
Hard
What can we
Say
I mean
They kind
Of got
Owned
Due to
Certain
Allegations
Made against
Them by
Certain people
Our party
Got cut
Short at
Their dorm
Room
So
But
Other than
That
It was
Pretty good
You know
It's got
A lot of
Like
Climbing up
Telephone
Poles
Owning the
Italian
Phone
System
Accidentally
Shaved a
Couple of
Seconds
Off
Certain
People's
Times
In the
Speed
Skating
Competition
But
Overall
It was
Pretty good
It's a
Very fruitful
Event
And I'm
Glad
Binrev
Radio
With our
Massive
Budget
Could
Send us
Over here
Wow
That actually
Timed out
Pretty well
Well
Too loud
That was
Completely
Unintentional
I just
Thought I
Was going
To get
Like a
Couple
Of
Fanfares
And
Go over
But no
I got
Like the
Whole song
And I
Actually
Timed out
Pretty well
So yeah
Binrev
Bringing you
News of the
World
Today
News of the
World
I think
That was a
Good Queen
Album I
Believe
My friend
Was in
Oh yeah
Tell us
About that
My friend
He's a
Snowboarder
And he
Got the
Silver medal
And snowboarding
Halfpipe
He won it
In 2002
As well
That's pretty
Cool
How close
Are we
Throwing a
Party for
Him
I don't
Know
I see him
Every once
In a
While
He lives
In
California
But
I don't
Know
I've known
For a
While
He's a
Good
When you
Come out
Here
We're
Throwing
A
Party
For
Actually
Someone
With
Real
Olympic
Experience
Or
Some
Type
Of
Relation
To
The
Experience
Not
Just
Pretending
That
I'm
In
Italy
Oh
Did
I
Say
That
Out
Loud
Damn
My
Phone
Just
Went
Dead
Dude
I
Guess
The
Injunction
Went
Down
No
You
Just
Cut
Out
For
20
Second
It
Was
Just
All
Quiet
The
NTP
Must
Be
Playing
With
The
Switch
My
Blackberry
Is
Already
Getting
Shut
Down
Shut
Down
Oh
No
Just
So
Everyone
Knows
We
Have
Nat
As
The
Blackberry
Elite
Master
Here
Today
So
We're
Talking
About
The
Upcoming
Blackberry
Rim
Versus
NTP
Steel Cage
Grudge
Match
That's
Happening
When's
That
Happening
23rd
No
The
25th
Friday
25th
Is
It
25th
Or
Is
That
The
24th
That
Would
Be
Friday
The
24th
I
Don't
Know
It's
Happening
This
Week
It's
On
Friday
24th
What
Kind
Of
Course
Case
Starts
On
Friday
This
One
Apparently
That
Is
Kind
of
Weird
Aren't
They
Supposed
To
Start
On
Mondays
And
Then
They
Have
A
Weekend
To
All
Go
Home
And
Not
Really
Because
This
Is
A
Judge
This
Is
Just
A
Judge
What's
Probably
Happening
Is
It's
Probably
Being
Reviewed
All
This
Week
And
The
Judgment
Is
On
Friday
Yeah
You're
Probably
Right
We're
Actually
Going
To
Talk
About
It
Yeah
Okay
Let's
Get back
To
Get back
To
Other
Stuff
Actually
Do
You
Want
To
Just
Yeah
Let's
Get
Yay
Our
First
Email
Is
In
Reference
To
Our
Absolutely
Horrible
Valentine's
Day
Episode
And
It
Says
How
Did
That
Go
Did
I
You
Listened
To
It
Was
Pretty
Much
An
Absolute
Disaster
It
Was
Dead air
And
We
Had
Nothing
To
Talk
About
And
We
Got
A
Response
Like
This
One
Dear
Strom
And
Richard
Fuck
That's
U
Q
K
All
In
Caps
With
Like
Six
Bangs
After
I
Just
Heard
Yes
I
Should
Be
Listening
Live
Your
valentine's day show and love you much but you guys are just full of shit i'm a long-time listener
and do have a benefit of a technology fetish i also have the penchant for geeks hams especially
but i date a man who asks for help putting background images in email why would you date
someone who wants with background images in email anyway do you know why because geek standards are
way too high bang bang bang bang bang one be at the constant stream of vg girls you're exposed
to or whatever you guys just aren't interested in regular women i have many like-minded male
friends yet not a single one of them have ever expressed a desire to date me i once even sparked
up a conversation with someone i met at my local news shop while picking up a copy of 2600 and gave
him my number did he call no why because i look like this and there's a link to a picture uh should
be just tinyurl.com slash mike x-ray november romeo oscar mike x-ray november romeo oscar and there's
a photo you can look for herself and she's wearing um a baseball cap and i can't read the baseball cap
and she's got it well we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about this later okay with the email
fucking five here we go and what you guys would like to date looks like this insert male masturbatory
object here my point is that while shyness and ability to find like-minded females may be
contributing factors you guys are alone because you just don't get that hotties get whatever they
want and unless you're okay with being nothing more than than an atm you're not it nothing more than
okay yes it's unfair but that's what happens when you view women as trophies i think richard's ugly
girl comment sums it up perfectly you guys really are aren't getting what you deserve look there are
lots of women with a lot of geek love to give you just have to get over your superficiality and give
them a chance smiley face less than three welsh rarebit toronto canada
less than three less than three hey you know why that guy probably never called there because he
probably shut her phone off instead after he got her number yeah guys like girls who spell check too
uh did i mention that's got owned but uh oh you and your spell checking she she has a technology
fetish yeah i think she also missed the part where i suck cock um
maybe she missed that part anyways yeah i don't want to know what the hell your male
masturbatory object is so we'll just we'll just uh skip over that
um when i when i read this email i actually i have nothing to do with the valentine's day special
so i can't really comment on it i guess but my my my main comments on this was girl geek dungeons and
dragons player haha i went to your blog glasses guinness shirt where do i sign up and i said oh
yeah yeah yeah i mean i'm engaged aren't i oh well too bad for the lady so we're sorry as we like
saying the phone business seriously this is like perfect almost you know ham radio technology fetish
she likes guinness or at least she likes where's the t-shirt so uh yeah and also just just so she
knows um we we did post your picture online uh please contact me if you want to take him down
uh i did host it on my website as i because i really didn't feel like giving out your uh i think
it was an image bucket or something or image shop photo or whatever one of those free image
orgy.com or something they all they all have like yeah so it's all it's they have like eight
words and like you know they just chain mix them around to have different uh websites like image
shack photo shack image blog or i don't know it's just it's weird digital image buttload.com you know
if you want me to take it down i'll i will take it down but i posted it up there if i were straight
i'd totally do you let's put it that way i wouldn't no oh oh oh she's gonna she's gonna
own you i'm way out of here in toronto man she can come down and kick your ass
yeah excuse me reason for coming into america i'm gonna kick that
that's the ass that's the ass kicking checkbox ma'am you you have to check that one not business
oh we need a form 39a for that one ma'am sorry
all right next email okay phil theme from brazil think
uh hello mr carlson and mr ratchet as i'm listening to episode 134 way too late i actually believed you
when you said the archives would be up today forever that's my fault i'm sorry i keep wondering
what is the word that allison won't say i went to digium.com but i found nothing on her she's cool
as a side note on digium.com on the main page this image has to be the most appropriate file name i've
ever encountered lol um and that is tinyurl.com slash quebec victor x-ray sierra bravo
that's it's hottie on the left dot gif
yes
i apologize for any bad grammar i'm from europe greets
ardquack
i think that's how you pronounce it
p.s do you know anything about linux coming to mobile phones if so how slash when slash where
so yes as straw mary pointed out the the image at digium's website is hottie on the left dot gif
so i i gotta when i first read that i i had to stifle myself from laughing because it was in my
cube at my office but uh i gotta say nice find on the image name i i that's almost as amusing
as um oh shoot what the yo it's free that's it no yo it yo it's me yo it's me yo it's me
yo it's me it's free yo it's yellow dot com
for those of you who don't know um listen to default radio but uh yo it's me was a collect service that
was highly susceptible calling collect for like phones and everything but it was highly susceptible
to abuse and if you went to their website they had this little flash animation
it was like you know yo it's me you can dial the digits blah blah blah blah blah but if you looked
at the file name it was a big big black guy swf i think it was that it was like big black it was
something along those lines like you know big big black dude big black guy so it was amusing and we
all just started looking at it and going oh my god i can't believe this for real but it was
but uh default radio.com i believe there um as for the evil word that allison won't say we're not
going to say it on the air but um let's just say it starts with a c and it refers to female anatomy
and if you if you don't know what that is uh it it also rhymes it also rhymes with a football word
if you if you i don't know football when you throw the ball that's that's called punting the ball right
yeah so yes well when you kick the ball with one of the moves you can do is a punt and reminds
it rhymes with a c so if that's not clear enough please just bang your head into the wall repeatedly
now yeah um as for linux on cell phones um i didn't know so i did some research into that and
apparently 2005 was supposed to be the breakout year for linux cell phones and i found the article
and it's tinyurl.com slash quebec lima echo uniform 5 um but according to uh linux devices.com uh
tinyurl.com 234 tango oscar uh they're they're some they're still on the starting block and it
doesn't look anything's coming out anytime soon uh now i'm not sure if anyone knows this but i always
assumed that symbion was linux yeah isn't symbion uh linux because i remember not there he wanted
one of the symbion phones so we could start programming it i yeah well i knew it was an
open development platform but i couldn't remember if it was linux or not yeah i was pretty sure it
was linux uh it's wikipedia time i don't know also they have i don't know if you saw it a while ago
but they uh got linux to run on the trio 650 and oh man no i didn't notice that oh yeah it was on
daily freak a while ago i remember that was on your website yeah but they didn't have um full
hardware support or anything but i just saw an update and they got they got a lot of stuff
working with it now the cell phone work uh i think so i think it works oh well the information on what
symbion actually is do you remember uh the the epoch os ran on zion um pdas oh yeah that's what
a symbion is it's apparently a descendant of that stuff
okay see okay that makes sense now that makes sense all right well in it's it's coming out i mean
uh what is it the uh guys over at troll tech has uh have a cutopia which is this completely embedded
um uh pda environment i actually have it running on an ipac at work that was just sort of left at my
cube one day because the person didn't want it anymore because they upgraded so i i uh installed
linux on it when i was bored one afternoon and hey it works pretty well it just doesn't have
uh handwriting recognition which is a little bit annoying but uh other than that it's it's pretty
solid i mean i haven't had to reset it on like windows mobile which seems to have to do every other
day so i'm i'm waiting for linux cell phones but at the same point i'll just stick with my try
sidekick for now or a trio if someone wants to give me a trio 700 i will i will gladly take one
actually ship it to black ratchet cure of strom carlson post office box 291 991 los angeles california
999
64 452 los angeles contact us
and my phone just died again for like 10 seconds
that's the word it's like some guy at ntp going okay let's go to the radio show
so yeah as soon as i start talking about this stuff it's probably going to go dead for 15 seconds
yeah i'm probably going to be like uh i can do a song and dance routine if you fall off or something
another rope in another show another um yeah so actually the the trio is actually starting to get
pushed by uh verizon i see like all on the tv all the time now for ads yeah i'm at the mall today
and the kiosk the verizon kiosk still didn't have any here because they're lame oh that sucks
but yeah i'm actually curious the verizon store has one i should check out my local verizon store
they won't let me touch it so i really don't care
why won't they let you touch it so
yeah actually i pointed out to my fiancee and she she basically told me no you just got a cell phone
and i was like damn it
because literally i i got my sidekick in november and i was just like oh my god a trio a trio just
came out and i was like oh i want it
this puts you with like no toy for you
no
yeah i know
actually i got a house that's what i got
phone or house
fuck that get a get a sidekick or get a trio get a sidekick three
i don't know if that's glorily knows when the hell that's coming out
i actually i actually know someone that works at danger now i should actually see and talk to him
and see if i can't uh it's probably it's probably one of those if we tell anybody outside the company
they come and chop our hands off type of deal
yeah probably
actually it was a pretty amusing he posted on his web blog the other day
um the text of the they put they have to put a sticker on everything because the the sidekick three or
what i'm assuming is the sidekick three these he referred to as text test products
um they have to put a sticker on there because they don't have fcc ids yet and it's like you can't sell this to anybody you can't give it to anybody this is not a licensed product yet um it falls under like this section of the rules and it was pretty amusing it's funny
yeah but like you know basically all the stupid things for the fcc regulations
the fcc is on my shit list this week
well we'll have to talk about that in personal hacking stories because actually i'm curious about that
no we'll talk about it a long time i don't want to talk about it right now
oh that's good
fm radio station
all right and our final email of the evening
hey strom
i guess it's just to me
sorry about the mix-up i know that stank has not been on the show for a while the herb up here in canada really messes with your memory
note to you kids don't do drugs
i have a pretty busy schedule and cannot listen live so i download the show and listen to it on my mp3 player
anyhow back to the original question the reason i'm asking if this is possible
this is in reference to this is the guy who wanted to call email this a week or two ago
and asked about um using asterisk to like have all his
to call him back on his mobile phone so we can make unlimited outgoing calls from his mobile phone
anyhow back to the original question the reason i'm asking if this is possibly using asterisk is because my cell plan is 20 bucks a month
my provider is rogers at&t their talk to me plan provides me with 200 anytime minutes outgoing unlimited minutes incoming
i own my own software development company and use my cell phone as my primary business phone
i easily use more than a thousand minutes per month outgoing
the first 200 minutes are free but the additional 800 minutes are 25 cents a minute
unfortunately the tiny url mentioned in the show points to a website that's down
if you could provide me with more info on setting this up it would be greatly appreciated
and email
yes
um the tiny url is back up
actually it's a
alpha bravo victor whiskey three according to him
and i uh fed it fed it into a tinyurl.com this afternoon
and it seemed to get back up it's uh
oh shoot what's the name of the place
nerd viddies am i saying that right there
i know you know about the
nerd viddles
riddles viddles viddies
i screwed up again
isn't it v-i-p-t-l-e-s
yeah just google that and that's where the uh
website is but yeah he has a pretty
it's up right now i'm not sure i guess he was down
um if you can't get into it again i guess it's something on your end and
rogers at&t whoever it is just doesn't want you to find out how to make the free phone calls
what article was it on that on that website
it was the phone home one where it would call you back after you called it
oh yeah free incoming
yeah and um just just for the record we'd like to state that
um as as far as i could tell at least i'm not a lawyer but this this appears to be
completely legal because you're just taking advantage of the system as opposed to
uh committing toll fraud outright
i mean my my take on the whole thing is yes it might be legal and yes it might be kind of
a cute kludge but if you're running a company don't be a cheapskate like be cheap where it
matters but come on let's have money on important things like telecom because
it seems like for this guy's time and effort he could just
yeah upgrade the cell phone plan to something with more than 200 minutes a month i think
like a thousand minute plan hell i've got a thousand minute plan for like 60 bucks a month or
something
damn you guys just didn't hear anything i said did you cut it again
ah yeah i was just saying that like what you were saying he should just upgrade his cell phone
plan you know instead of wasting his time trying to do all this that's what it sounds like anyways
yeah we got that we got that we heard that we were just ignoring you
oh damn it got all quiet here
yeah
odd
i couldn't hear you guys you could hear me i guess
interesting i actually don't think i um have like
a thousand i don't think i ever go over a thousand minutes hell i hardly go over like you know three
four hundred at top yeah same here my plan was originally like six hundred minutes and i never
went over that but then they offered me extra minutes a month for no fee and no
additional contract extension so i said yeah sure what the hell
yeah i only have like four hundred or five hundred i don't go over that
it's because with uh in network calling and stuff like that yeah i don't really use my cell phone
but yeah
no for me it was free nights and weekends
yeah that's it
uh i i used to i used to take like that full advantage of that technically i still do but less
now because i live closer to certain people so um it was just like if you looked at my bill it was
like you know uh peak peak minutes 250 off peak minutes 2000 i was like yeah okay
i used to just scan at night once it would turn nine once it would turn 901 i would just start
scanning and my phone bills would come my phone bills would come and it'd be 50 pages long
dude that'd be sweet i wonder if they get i wonder if they get pissed at you for that probably
oh well it's happened well i've done it for like three years
i should try that sometime yeah but uh that's what you should do you should write like a java
app that scans for you automatically off your blackberry yeah that'd be really cool if i knew how
to do all that java crap i tried to look it up i was looking at java programming but it seems too late
for me java sucks
well that sort of wraps it up i mean well yeah just just one final comment if you're running a
business and you can't afford the extra 40 bucks a month for a mobile phone plan that suits your
needs get out of the business and get a real job as quickly as you possibly can because damn your
revenue stream sucks well no i don't think you can't afford i mean you know just he he's there
and he's he's pinching pennies that's what it is right and pennies yeah and i feel it it's it's good to
be to be penny wise i guess when you're when you're running a business but there's definitely an
a reason reasonability factor and this is the kind of thing where it's like 40 bucks or endless hassle
i'd go with the 40 bucks it's not an endless hassle it's simple you call up you hang up and it gets
back down and and that's what it is it's simple yeah
less revenue but hey
so anyway personal hacking stories time
yeah sure why not we had an net split on irc and i can no longer see uh zigman
now let's hope no one calls us call now a triple eight nine bin rev this is where i take calling
oh that's the calling section oh well well i don't know if we have uh any calls queued up yet
i don't think we have any callers to be honest with you and i it's a net split just happened so
yes there's a rc i bet like everyone's who ising us right now and uh
okay like you know like going oh my god they're on this like super cool channel let's all go join over there
and like realizing that we never talk on there
yay next it's over
so now you can call triple eight nine bin rev
or or or what is it oh eight four five six four six uh zero one zero two hey all right look at
that i could actually get it right amazing
so uh natis what have you been doing with um all your wonderful stuff what's your what's your
personal hacking story for today what show and tell i don't know i had a couple things i want to
talk about in this section that was cool right yeah go for it man all right uh but well let's
see last night i was talking to mitnick and we were trying to get spoofing working to
israel but we couldn't get that to work so spoofing does not work to israel well you're just dropping
names tonight left and right you're like oh man i know the silver medalist from the olympics
i was talking to mitnick last night actually i was like oh man every time he goes somewhere though
he instant messaged me he's like hey can we try spoofing can we try spoofing the antarctica
dude i want mitnick to im me i'd be like yeah you don't no you don't he's annoying
you heard it here first kevin mitnick is annoying
i've been running radio exclusive
so no he's cool yeah he gets annoying on his messenger
which is like constantly like you know sending you all like the cool smileys and everything and
sending you like oh my god natus check it out i got a video of a monkey drinking its own
check it out l-o-l-r-o-f-l-netus
i'm just i'm picturing kevin mitnick in his e-helmet
i'm not sure how many people actually got that
no one here got it but hopefully someone out in the
listenership
the audio just cut out and i don't know if you guys are talking or what
no we were talking we're talking about kevin mitnick in his e-helmet
okay yeah i couldn't hear you guys it cut out again sorry
shit man you're just getting owned by your blackberry
i know
these just proves blackberries suck
no
i don't know all right so anyway
i've been working on real-time asterisk with postgres too
i don't know if you guys played with real-time at all
with mysql or anything not so much
for about 10 seconds
oh really
so i'm trying to write an article on it because there was
there was one up on
uh i think it's asterisk guru dot com or dot net
and it helps you get it set up but
once you once you get all the
just once you get it set up it doesn't really tell you how to
put stuff
in your
database or
anything like that
so
i'm trying to expand on it a little bit
i'm trying to work on that for old school freak and daily freak
and then you guys know you guys know about the ix the eeps encryption i've heard about it yeah
yes i've heard about it
have you actually started playing with that
um i tried setting it up and i tried making some calls on my network
and i think i got it
so
i don't know that's pretty cool though
i want somebody to set up a free world dial-up like system now with that
that supports encryption
well i mean how does the encryption work is it a symmetric key or is it an asymmetric key
i don't know it uses aes 128
yeah i believe aes is symmetric encryption so
if you
i mean if you
i mean if you agree on a certain key it's okay if you have two parties but
i mean if you had like a free world dial-up service basically you'd say
you'd have to
unless you could generate like a random key i guess and just say
this is your key don't lose it
i don't know the the
because it's some
for those of you who don't know the difference between asymmetric and symmetric encryption
symmetric encryption is basically if
if natis and i wanted to talk on over
or talk in code we both agree on a secret way of communicating whether it be
um a mathematic formula where it would enter a certain number and it's a
you know i i'd choose number 42 and i'd somehow have to relay to natis
uh 42
and he would be able to decrypt the message that i send to him as opposed to asymmetric where
um
he has a number that's public and i have it's a asymmetric is a lot like public key encryption and
i'd rather not explain public key encryption on this show
perhaps
the secret word today is dog balls
yes exactly we'd have we have the secret password and that would be dog balls and he'd be able to uh
and and and strom would be able to decrypt whatever i would send to him and i would be able to decrypt whatever strom would send to me so
but the hard part with that is actually finding a way to tell that person
you know here's your here's your secret key
because you got to actually protect that with your life because it's kind of important
for obvious reasons
well i don't know if this has anything to do with it but
to have the encryption work you have to use md5 authentication
hmm that's interesting well they actually might solve that because i believe on the
asterisk side
md5 is set up asymmetrically so
i don't know this is something that i'm going to have to look into now you've piqued my interest natus
thank you very much this is i don't have enough to do already
now we find out the truth about black ratchet he's obsessive compulsive when it comes to these things
oh god i'm nuts i really am
insert sound of cuckoo clock here
oh all right so something else something else i was uh
kind of thinking about lately was um having a contest like a giveaway
on dailyfreak.com my blog oh yeah telco we're gonna give
we're gonna give away whatever i was trying to figure out what i should
give away uh we were thinking yeah you were you messaged me earlier
thinking like either an eeksy or something along those lines
or right something boy for telco
yeah or maybe like a like a 7960
or a cell phone that you guys think is cool or a wi-fi like a voip wi-fi handset
so i don't know i want to see what the listeners want what they'd think it'd be
cool to get date with black ratchet what do you think would be cool black ratchet what do you want a trio
i don't do a trio rock i'd be like i mean what kind of contest are you going to have that's the question
yeah i don't know that's what i was wondering i was trying to figure out what i could do too maybe
find out mick next screen name
no um i don't know maybe like a question and whoever answers the question right and then all the answers get put in all the correct
answers get put into like a hat and drawn from a hat or something
that can work
how many unique visitors to daily freak um we'll plug it we'll completely plug it on the show
uh dailyfreak.com how many unique visitors do you get per day
uh per day i'm not sure i think last month uh january was the first full month that site was up
and it said that my web staff said that it got um 11 000 visits i guess i was holy crap
god damn i want to be elite like you
that that is family 100 mitnick like you you're a media whore
well i got like i guess i got like 60 000 or 70 000 hits for like the whole month
holy crap
so it's going up it's pretty good
oh yeah
yeah
uh strong what have you been doing or i assume natis has done
yeah or have
yeah did you want to talk about the verizon wireless evdo real quick
oh yeah shit i completely forgot about that boy i'm just cussing up a storm tonight aren't i
yeah so so natis founded had a discovery today about the uh verizon evdo uh end user license
agreement and you you can go explain what the hell was going on
uh well basically the terms of service says that uh they're limiting you to certain stuff they're
saying that you can only surf the web uh check your email and check internet and go to intranet
sites and stuff like that and they're specifically uh prohibiting using voip over evdo
and it says downloading and uploading videos
music and playing games and stuff like that anything that's like bandwidth intensive
peer-to-peer is obviously blocked
yeah that's uh
but just
i i don't i don't understand why you can't play games on evdo
yeah well the latency would probably be pretty bad but still well yeah i mean it'd be bad for voip too but
but they're definitely fearing and they're uh they're probably fearing voip over evdo
so yeah i mean voip over evdo plus i i mean i didn't think it was going to be a big deal because
you know you're thinking you know verizon oh they're a cell phone company people will
will just use your cell phones anyway i mean they're they're kind of losing out on it but
still it just sucks but um
then that has brought up the fact that
there's certain people i mean they sell plans out there where it's unlimited data
and you just get a pc card
so you you can't use that as a voip phone
which
which really checks me on
or videos
yeah what i don't understand the videos thing
i mean
you can't stream videos on evdo i mean
why i mean if i
gosh darn it if i want to watch porn on the train i should be able to
yep
be super elite porn on the train that'd be pretty cool
really freak people out i wonder if you can get in trouble for that
do you know that amped mobile has uh
naked news
on there
oh you sent me that link i didn't actually click on it though
you know i have a friend asked me this and
i actually researched it and wrote the wikipedia article
the
amped mobile is
a virtual mobile network operator that runs on the verizon evdo network
right
but still that's the lead that they offer that
and verizon doesn't
can you access the internet on it
huh
can you access the internet on the amped
i would think so
it uses evdo
actually i don't know maybe the phones will have
our web browsers built into them
they only have a couple phones
seriously i really want to get evdo
and i just want to have something where i can just plug my
laptop into my phone and have an internet connection
is that too much to ask
right that's what i'm going to do with my blackberry
i can upgrade my blackberry
and i'll activate the evdo
chipset in my phone
and then i can plug it in
actually they make you pay extra for the blackberry
connection though
so if i wanted to hook it up to my laptop
it'd be an extra fifteen dollars a month
but but you don't have evdo at your current location do you
no no that's a thing too
but when i travel that's like when i need it the most you know
uh
you
i mean last time last place
the last place i went was tampa
and i looked and tampa has evdo
and so it would have been cool if i had it then
i didn't have the internet the whole week i was there
natus high-powered executive blackberry evdo laptop he's like hell yeah
coast to coast
and make people fear the most
can't use voip on evdo because it's bad
yes
take away revenue
yeah i hate when that happens
love revenue
what have you been doing
not a whole lot
i i did however sign up for my svc online billing
for my local phone service
and one of the authentication options
is that you sign up
and then you have to prove that you are who you claim you are
and one of their options is of course
that you can
call a toll-free number
from your home phone
so
i'm sitting on
i'm sitting on the phone with bill
while i'm signing up for this
i'm like
ooh okay
we of course have to try spoofing to it
so i figure out that if i
if i call it through voice pulse connect
and spoof my home phone number
i'm authorized
so
that was my
uber elite hacksore story of the day
thank you for abusing at&t
i'm pretty sure lance
had an advisory
yeah i told lance about it
he's like
yeah old news
i think it's in fishing exposed actually
in the telephony chapter
strom's talking with lance james
mitnick is talking to nanas
and
i just feel in love
i need a celebrity friend
i talked to lance james too dude
yeah
you talked to mitnick and lance james
so you're cool with the most of us
should we take a call
oh no no
because strom's got mark spencer
i'm just i'm just
i'll trade you kevin
i'll trade you kevin polson
and mitnick
for mark spencer
hmm
okay i'll
i'll i'll have to see
i don't know if i want my karma points
to
uh
yeah i
god i really can't fake being you
knowing what the hell i'm talking about
let's take a call
that sounds like a cool idea
we have a call
well
sweet
that's awesome
well
what i've
what i've been doing
is
um
i
i've really
haven't been doing anything
hacking related
i've been
i've been mucking about
with c-sharp
and doing
code that's
somewhat personal
but you know
completely unrelated to hacking
it's just more of
messing about with
personal pet projects
that i really don't plan on
releasing anytime soon
um
other than that
uh
it's been relatively quiet
it's been
it's been sad
you're
you're sad
because it's been quiet
yeah i'm sad
i'm sad because i have nothing to do
all right
we have machine screw
on the line with us
hello
hello machine screw
um
yo
yeah i just wanted to
comment on uh
the uh
kevin rose thing
uh
he said that he's not
uh
going to be selling to
uh
yahoo
he has a
a lot of new things
planning up for dig
and they're
they're coming out
uh
pretty soon
um
so
he's not selling
uh
rumors started by somebody
so
to be honest
if someone is going to sell
i mean have they ever
came out in the cell
before they announced it
saying
oh yeah we're going to sell
i mean
you may be right
i'm not i'm not saying
otherwise but um
yeah
you know
you actually run into a person
that said
oh we're going to sell
and we're going to sell
tomorrow but we're not
going to actually tell you
about that
right right right
yeah
it's
it's true
i mean you know
they're not going to tell you
if they're going to sell
or not
one way or the other
they don't want to
you know
say whoa
what happened
you know
so
but
the way i see it though
is that
they're backed by
venture capitalists
like mainly
so
i mean pretty much
it's always like a
venture capitalist goal
to like
eventually get bought out
it seems like
yeah yeah
eventually
it seems like 20 million
it seems like 20 million dollars
for dig
well that's the whole point
of venture capitalists
you invest in
in companies that grow
that you can sell off
after a couple of years
once they get big
yeah
but i mean
the best way to sell it off
is to like sell it out
to a huge company
i mean
i'm sure dig's making
a lot of money
but
still 20 million
they don't want to
make 20 million dollars
right
but i mean
that would just be
so like
the dot com thing
everybody got bought out
you know
by every
all the new dot coms
got bought out
by larger companies
yeah but that was
the whole point
of establishing
with small dot coms
is to eventually
be sold
to some large company
right
look at
right look at
weblogs inc
and delicious
that's the whole thing
you know
yeah
right
so
you know
i myself
wanted to start a business
but i can never figure out
what business to start
i have all these great ideas
you know
on it
my idea is to
crush microsoft
and the evil corporation
i just twisted a twist tie
into the handspring logo
speaking of
yeah
thank you very much
strong
and uh
thank you very much
machine screw
not to push you out
but we actually do have to
get on to the main topic
tonight
thank you for calling
no problem
thank you for calling
and putting it out there
so for
yep
okay
alrighty
bye
talk to you later
i kind of felt rude
kind of shoving them off
like that
but we do need to get
into our main topic
tonight
which is
uh
ntp versus rim
otherwise known as
the blackberry case
oh no
apparently
i don't know
who's going to win
the gold
in the court case
oh look at that
you know
wonderful opening argument
that'll do our well
with the judge
i i would love to see
uh
court cases commented on
like like they were
olympic events
i i was actually
making that comment today
i was like you know
i think life would be
a lot more interesting
if we had color commenters
oh
we should put
rem
we should put out
rem and ntp
and i'm judge duty
oh god
i'm not
validator anymore
that would be great
so
i don't know
natis do you want to
you want to take this
or shall i introduce
the
the major players
i don't know
how about you introduce
them
and then i'll take it
from there
all right
well
you wrote up
these show notes
after
you wrote up
these show notes
on nice
after i
yeah true
didn't i
know what i want
to talk about
yeah
well okay
so the two
the two players
are in this
we'll just sort of
give us a brief
history
the first one
which actually
stands for
research in motion
exactly
well i was going
to get into that
but um
they're a canadian
wireless device
company
otherwise known
as a cell phone
company
um
obviously their
their flagship
product is the
blackberry
which is a small
handheld communication
device and it
really is the
first
cell phone
um
cell phone
digital pda
thing that ever
really came out
um
for those of you
who want to know
they're headquartered
in waterloo ontario
um
and they actually
have their own
little park named
after them and
their own little
corporate center
it's very nice
i saw a picture of
it today when i was
googling it was
very it was
it's it's
incredibly huge
called rim park
yeah
sounds like a hot
cruising spot
um
well before
before the
blackberry um
rim worked with
ram mobile data
services which was
i always found it
very interesting
with rim and
ram um
they also actually
uh worked with
ericsson which was
later bought out by
sony
to um
develop the
ericsson is still
an independent
company ericsson
entered into a
joint venture
agreement with
its wireless
products division
with sony
oh really
now ericsson on
its own i believe
is still an
independent company
oh i stand
corrected
anyway um
so rim ram and
ericsson they
developed something
called mobitex
which was a
wireless data
network and
two-way paging
uh service
uh what what it
was is basically
trying to uh
usurp was a
motorola sky tell
two-way paging
network
um they
actually their
first thing that
they released was
the interactive
pager 950 which
have actually
someone that i
knew had one
back back in the
day this was in
i think i think it
was in high school
at this point and
and one of the
i don't know how
the kid got his
hands on it but he
had one and i
thought it was the
coolest thing ever
um in in the
corner in the
other corner wearing
the gold trunks is
ntp inc and
they're a virginia
based something
called a patent
holding company
which it just
boggles my mind
they were founded
in 1992 um by
two people
thomas j thomas
campana jr and
one of them is
now dead
uh they yeah
i think it was
dead oh i knew
one of them was
dead i just
showed up the
other yeah well
the uh apparently
tom campana died
but i always see
it's because it's
always amusing
seeing oh founded
in 1992 by the
late inventor thomas
j capana jr and
donna east out so
like you know
we're with that
conjunction right
there you can
never tell i think
only one of them
is dead
oh i would
assume that it
would be mr
campana there
um basically
the the entire
reason ntp is
about their only
asset is a set
of email
patents that
no i'm sorry
set of patents
that deal with
wireless email
and they they were
awarded by they were
awarded to thomas
campana and they
were originally
uh assigned to
something called a
telephine corporation
a florida based
company which was
owned by capana
which apparently is now
out of business so
ntp like headquartered
in in like an extra
bedroom of one of the
guy's houses or
something i have no
clue but i wouldn't be
surprised it sounds
it sounds rather fly by
night so in 2001 and
we they had a bit of a
disagreement together
and i think that is
going to take over at
this point okay um so
yeah in 2001 they were
sued for they were
sued for i don't know
how many of the patents
for the five i think it
was five it was eight
oh really okay so
they were sued for
eight infringing
patent patents on
wireless email and a
court found rim guilty
and rim was ordered to
pay ntp 23 million in
damages and they
appealed um and they've
been appealing ever since
right yeah they all
obviously because they
haven't paid it up yet
nothing's uh happened so
far so it's still i
believe it's still stuck
in their heels yeah
okay so and then this
year all right this year
it got really weird because
they were gonna agree to a
450 million dollar
settlement and from what i've
heard i don't know this
might be rumor or
something but from what i
heard the pat the um
the agreement was like on
written written on a napkin
it was like that unofficial
and that's why i heard that's
why i heard that's why
uh ntp um declined it
because it was like super
sketchy it was like it was
obviously super short if it
was written on a napkin
and seriously i mean if i own
this patent that it's it's in
someone wants to say dude we
will give you 450 million
dollars to license this from
you i'll be like okay
yeah so they think they're
worth more than that now
they think they're worth like
a percentage of the
company's um their income
or whatever which they're
claiming would be around one
billion dollars now so that's
what they're trying to get
now they're trying to get a
billion but they might not
get anything
billion dollars
yeah i mean i can't believe
that they would turn down
450 million
that's just insane it's like
you know probably like you
know i'm curious what their
lawyer fees at this point are
that that there's a question
probably like you know two
million two hundred million
dollars worth of lawyers
fees at this point
yeah it's got to be something
crazy
no
so and then the deal never
happened on it was uh june 10
2005 i guess
finalized the terms of the
agreement but it didn't
happen
and so far they've been um
but they've been trying to
have the patents
basically rejected
they've they're trying to have
them re-looked at
because they claim that they're
not valid
rims trying to have them re-looked
at i don't think
right
didn't the
right
didn't the usb too already
invalidate like
some of the patents
they invalidated five of them
and that was supposed to be all
of them so i'm not sure if
there was eight or five or
what it's down to five now
and they've all they've all
been issued non-final
rejections
so now they have like 30
days
this was uh maybe two weeks
ago
that the final one was issued
the final non-final one
and so they've probably got a
couple weeks now
but it doesn't matter because
they're going to court on
friday
so basically this judge is
pretty crazy
and he doesn't want to wait
for the patent office because
this has been going on since
2001
one the judge wants to get
it over with as uh
quickly as possible
so
as early as friday
uh everything might get
shut down
hell it should send them
over to the criminal courts
we're actually you know
speeding this will make a
difference
right and it's kind of
crazy too because the um
patent office actually
has um
its own
has like its own
division working on
just this case now
i mean the patent
it's good that the patent
office stepped it up a
little bit at least
because
they want
the patent office did
this but it's also stupid
the patent office
actually issued these
bloody things
i actually also want to
know what the hell a
non-final rejection is
sounds like something out
of like you know
sounds like something out
of an engineering dating
scheme
what i'm guessing a
non-final rejection is
you know it's like
you know
we have reason to
believe that you know
we are about to
invalidate your patent
and you have 30 days to
appeal and tell us why
or something like that
yeah
yeah probably
so okay so so on
friday
um
well i mean
the the service isn't
going to get shut down
i mean
well they don't know
what's going to happen
it's all in the judge's
hand which is kind of
scary
because rim released
uh they released the
details of their work
around for the
blackberry and for a
long time there was a
lot of speculation on
it and everybody
thought that it would be
something that could be
completely done in the
um rim knock in canada
and apparently it's not
apparently you are going
to have to update the
software a little bit on
your phone so i'm not
sure what that's all
about but it's called
blackberry multi-mode
edition that's what the
workaround is called it's
going to be obviously it's
going to be loaded pre-loaded
onto all new blackberries
um if it gets if a court
sides with ntp so what
exactly is the patent that
they're violating and how
is it different from say the
way the sidekick email works
see that's what i'm not sure
because i think the patents
are very uh broad but i know
ntp is ntp suing a lot of
other companies that do email
to phones too so it's not just
uh rim but a lot of these
companies are they're waiting
for this rim case to go down
before they pay but some
companies have actually just
paid up to their demands
well the the the ntp patents
are like they are very vague
they're like you know uh email
over rf links and i was just
like my god i was doing that in
like 1995 with my ham radio set
see that's the thing too oh my
god i'll send an email this
was designed for like pagers you
know this was way before way
before uh well not before cell
phones were i don't know this
was just a long time ago this
was before just everything got
crazy high tech well i mean still
i mean if you look at it it's
like you know email over rf well
yeah okay i've done email over
radio before i mean i've been
doing it for a while there you go
past what is it fire art stifu so
you were talking about how it's
going they're going to try to
update all the software now how
hard is it to say i'm you know
johnny johnny young come up at
executive and i have myself a
blackberry and i i need to i you
know god forbid uh room loses this
and my service gets shut down and i
need to get this update so i mean is
it just simply do i have to like
take it into my authorized blackberry
service dealer or take it to the
cell phone store is it something
that i um download off their
website and i have to plug my phone
into my computer or is it just
something i can do completely on the
phone itself yeah that's a good
question that's something that i'm
not really sure about that's like
the one thing that's that's the one
thing i'm not sure about man
you're the blackberry leap master
man that i mean you need to
probably plug it in with be a
USB cable and do a firmware upgrade
that way i'm sure you can probably do
the USB i would hope that it would
be that if it if it's something as
hardcore as it coming down to me
taking it to say the verizon store
and be like oh that's that's
inconvenient but i would even assume
that would be something along the
lines of uh hey you have an update
um you know you need to download this
and install it and i'll have to
restart your phone but other than
that you're all set right that's what
i was thinking i was thinking they
would maybe send you an email with
the link and a lot of the blackberry
software can just be downloaded ota
it's called over there so it might
just how can they email you the email
service will be down are you right
well maybe
maybe i don't know maybe there's another
way maybe there's another way they can
do it through sms no they probably can't
do that huh now you're probably what
i know i know with the sidekick there's
a built-in over-the-ear update thing
where i basically when when the new
software came out i had my sidekick to
for about two weeks and a window came
up and said hey yeah hey you need to
update um do you want to update now or
do you want to remind you tomorrow you
want to update in 15 minutes and i said
okay we'll do it now and it it
downloaded it and it said okay i need to
restart now and it powered off and it
powered back up when i was poof i was
running the new software so it the
the capability has to be there for
blackberries i don't think sidekicks
are the only
smartphone that can actually do this
yeah i know if i go i have a 4.0 os
version 4.0 on my phone but if i want
to upgrade to
4.1 i actually have to do with the usb
cable way
so you might have to do something like
that i'm not sure
oh well i'm hoping not
so
so i i remember hearing the story and
so apparently the u.s government
uh because they all use blackberries
they're getting special treatment and
they're not susceptible to this patent
right that's what i thought until
tonight and then i was checking out
in gadget mobile and uh it actually
said that today the um the judge denied
the government's request for that
so pretty much yeah it's not just
end users it's uh government users too
you know
silliness anyway
well government users are end users
who just work for the government
apparently
well i'm sorry
they thought they were special
not just consumers or business
consumers
it's government officials as well
government consumers
everybody's screwed
everybody's uh
waiting for friday now i think
and when i was at schmoo con
there were so many people from
washington who just had blackberries
so
it was pretty cozy
well i mean when i when i heard the
whole you know
oh government is not
you know
government's immune to this
it doesn't matter for them
i was just like
what the hell
i mean
they're in the same boot with us
so
screw them
you know
you work for the government
wonderful
but
i'd not only say i'd rather have the
government lose all their cell phones
than corporate america
it's true the stock exchange
will fall flat on its face
if this gets
turned off at like noon on friday
i actually found a stockbroker's
cell phone
i found a stockbroker's phone
in the blackberry and the
lawson phone
at this mountain
did you keep them
at my house now
any good scott tips
it was pretty funny actually
the guy had social security
numbers and passwords
and logins and stuff
no joke
i thought that's why i took it
i'm sure the guy got a new one
because he's a stockbroker
he'd been in the lawson sound
for a while
yeah you sure you want to be
admitting that over the air
yeah i don't care
it's pretty funny
hopefully the statue of
temptations have run out on that
um
one really interesting thing
about the case though
was that
the whole thing
the whole thing was like
uh delayed and
it's been dragged out for so long
because
because rim is a canadian company
and that
they're also trying to claim
that you know these uh
they're not infringing on these
talents
these patents
because
their
their knock is in canada
you know with all the
all the software
on it
that
they're claiming
uh
is being infringed upon
you know
but because it's deployed
in the u.s. as well
so they ruled against that
that's interesting
because
honestly i actually think
that's the uh
the best
that was a very interesting
tack and that actually
makes no sense
out of a lot of things
but i guess the judge
doesn't see it that way
okay so
so it's friday
and
we'll play a hypothetical
situation here
it's friday
you're
you're mowing along
and all of a sudden
you turn on cnn
and
it's like 1155
and they say
okay
well apparently
rim lost the case
and the blackberry service
will be shut down
on
in five minutes
so
do you have like your
your emergency email set up
and
like
you're like
emergency sidekick
or something
or
like a small laptop
you can put all your email on
no
uh
pretty much i get everything
just forwarded to my phone
i mean it goes to gmail
and it forwards to my phone
that's how i have it set up
but for business users
it'd obviously be a little different
because it's usually tied into their um
their email servers
doesn't rim get like 30 days
to shut it down or something
right
that's the thing too
is
they're not going to have to do it right away
i don't think
i think
it would be 30 days
or 60 days
or 90 days
something like that
all right
well that would make the most sense
but i was
i was doing like a disaster scenario
i'm curious
sounds pretty bad
yeah
seriously
someone should
what someone should do
is like
make a clone of the ready.gov
website
and like
gear it all toward
blackberries
what
are you ready for a blackberry
i can see the wall street journal now
like massive corporate problems
as millions go through
withdrawal
withdrawal symptoms
from their crackberries
did you see that
there was some pretty funny stuff
posted online recently
about what users
are going to
what's going to happen to users
if
if they have to give up their crackberries
and stuff like that
that's pretty funny
it was like
they'll start using their thumbs
on their keyboards
and start bashing them
in the keyboards
and stuff like that
i've just got to see
image now
of someone so desperate
that they're walking around
with like a bunch of
real blackberries
clipped to their belt
the actual fruit
they're just like
desperately praying
that that
that will serve
as some sort of
replacement
in name only
it's going to be
a sad day though
if Paris Hilton
can't use her blackberry
oh Paris Hilton
has a blackberry now
yeah she does now
she left her sidekick
went back to
she went to the
blackberry
8700C
it's the new
singular one
that has edge
it's edge capable
so it's supposed to be
lead
oh she should get
EVDO
EVDO is faster than edge
someone should call her up
where's lucky
but it's funny
because she actually
had a blackberry
before she switched
to her sidekick
but uh
guess what happened
to the blackberry
what
it got hacked
people were reading
her email
so she switched
to the sidekick
well thankfully
I don't think
the blackberry
has a
camera on it
so I think
she's safe
in at least
one regard
yeah
for sure
no more
no more hot
lesbian sex
or pictures
I hope the judge
is picturing
Paris Hilton
when he's
making his decision
yeah
just you know
what about Paris
you should get
like Suzanne Struthers
over there
saying
what about Paris
and other celebrities
I assume
Lindsay Lohan
is still using
her sidekick
yeah
maybe if Lindsay
switches
yeah there we go
I don't have
enough star power
behind it
so are you
going to like
grab like a trio
now if this
does you know
everything goes down
and the service
starts to suck
you know honestly
I don't know
what I'm going to do
I have
I mean
if it completely
gets shut down
I have 30 days
I don't know
what I'm going to do
and I don't know
if I get
I don't know
if I actually
get to do anything
with like
my Blackberry
that I have now
I don't know
if I can
turn it into
Verizon
and they'll
give me a new one
or they'll give me
like a trio
or they'll give me
credit or something
so that's going
to be something too
you know
if everybody
if you don't
get anything back
but you just
lose everything
you lose your service
I don't want
to go out
and pay like
four or five
hundred dollars
for a trio
really
I would probably
I don't know
I'm really into
the email now
man
I would probably
get a trio
maybe
I still love
my sidekick
well someone
that I know
someone that
Mattis and I
actually we all
know
has recently
got a trio
and he says
that
I mean
he thinks
it's okay
but he's
really not
impressed with it
he says
it's like
locked up
every other day
well I heard
he has a trio
and he
you know
he's
he's also
not that
impressed with it
I haven't
ever liked
them because
honestly
I'm dropping
names again
but Mitnick
and Darcy
are the ones
who told me
that they didn't
like theirs
they were the
only people
I knew
who had
the palm
the trios
I think
it was a 600
and they said
the thing sucked
they said that
it kept making
this humming noise
in like your ear
and it just
wasn't that good
and I didn't like
the form factor
as much either
it was a little
too big
but I think
they slimmed
down a little
now
yes they did
my friend
had a 650
I think
yes
and actually
a couple of my
friends have a 650
now apparently
and one of the
650s had this
very interesting
thing
it broke
and it just
had this yellow
splotch in the
center of the
screen
and nothing
got updated
on it
it was very
weird
he lived with it
he was just like
dude I need my
cell phone
I can't send
this in for
repair
because he was
very much
like
he was like
international man
of mystery
he was going
over to Europe
and he was
going over to
all these
training conferences
basically he
trained people
in software
and he said
I just need
this
I'll just
deal with
it
and so
he sent
it in
and he got
a new
one
when he
was settled
down
for a while
but another
friend of
mine
actually
got a
652
and he
says it's
okay
he listens
to the radio
show on it
which I find
amusing
that's cool
I'm glad
that they're
not
I'm glad
that the
700W
uses
Windows
Mobile
and not
Palm
I'm not
really into
the Palm OS
neither am I
I mean
Windows Mobile
everyone knows
my outlook
on Windows
Mobile
so we'll
just sort
of stop
it there
I like
it
I want
to get
a 700W
700W
Elite
all that
stuff
blah blah
blah
I just
don't like
on the
700W
do you
still have
to use
the little
stylus
I don't
think so
no
is it
something
like the
Blackberry
where you
can navigate
you can go
like up
and down
and stuff
like that
with like
a wheel
I think so
it has a
thing in the
center
actually
that you
use
doesn't it
yeah I
think it
has like
sort of
a joystick
yeah yeah
okay
so that was
one thing
that was
the old
one
like the
600
I think
where you
had to
use
a stylus
still
I'm not
into
phones
like that
where you
have to
two-handed
dialing
I like
the
stylus
I really
don't like
it
that's one
of the
things I
like about
the Blackberry
is just
the thumb
the wheel
I don't
know I
like my
sidekick
yeah I
quite like
mine
I like
them but
it's just
the Blackberry
has a better
form factor
I think it
fits in your
pocket
yeah I
don't know
yeah I
will give you
that
that's one
thing I
would probably
keep it just
for a phone
just because I
really like the
form factor
I like it
when I
have it in
my pocket
it's not
like a
flip phone
where it's
super
deep
it's really
fun at
least
I would
probably get
a razor
actually to
tell you the
truth
if I had
to get
something
I would
try that
I'm not
too
thrilled with
the form
factor on
that one
it's like
the hinge
keeps
in the way
I'd be
afraid I'd
break it
it's too
damn small
yeah
I don't
like
I like
QWVRTY
keyboard
on my
phone
now
QWERTY
yeah
I'm totally
digging a
keyboard form
vector
that is
something that
I want to
get on my
next phone
it's just
one of those
things
I think in a
future episode
we're going to
have to get
you
we're going to
have to get
Not Theory on
here
and you know
Strom
maybe myself
and then someone
else and we'll
just have a
steel cage
grudge match
oh cell phones
and we'll just
say your cell phone
sucks
no your cell phone
sucks
Not Theory
just ran about
the sidekick
the whole time
oh god
that'd be just
half the fun
right there
oh my god
it's nuts
spin rev phone
grudge match
coming soon
alright
well I think
we're going to
yeah
we're kind of
fading into
running out of
time here
so do we have
do we have
an outcome
none that I
can think of
apparently
there's going to
be a contest
on
hmm
oh
I don't know
keep going
sorry
there's going to
be a contest
on dailyfreak.com
soon
I think that's
the closest
thing we have
to it
stay tuned
for detail
yeah
yeah I'll post
something on there
and people can
just leave comments
on what they'd
like to receive
as a
prize
it's got to
be
for those of you
who are thinking
of posting
I want to win
a Ferrari
no
yeah
it's not
Tower 106
okay
our site of the
week
I actually
this got
floated around
Boston 2600
channel today
streetwars.net
s-t-r-e-e-t
w-a-r-s
dot net
and it's
the streetwars
a three week
long
24-7
water gun
assassination
tournament
and this
thing just
sounds amazing
I'm just
going to read
this off the
website
streetwars
is a three
week long
24-7
water gun
assassination
tournament
that has
already taken
place in
New York
Vancouver
Vienna
San Francisco
and is
coming to
Los Angeles
oh boy
at the
start of
the game
it's a
$35
registration
fee
you will
receive a
manila envelope
containing the
following
a picture
of your
intended
target
or target
or targets
the home
address of your
intended targets
or target
the work
address of your
intended target
slash targets
the name of your
intended target
slash targets
contact information
of your intended
target slash targets
upon receipt of
these items
you or your
team
is mission
is to find out
and kill
by way of the
water gun
water balloon
or super
soaker
your targets
you can hunt
your target
down any way
you see fit you compose the delivery person and jack them when they open the door disguise yourself
and take them out in the street etc if you are successful in your assassination attempt the
person you have killed will give you their envelope and the person you were supposed to kill
becomes your new target or they were supposed to kill becomes your new target this continues until
you work yourself through all the players and retrieve the envelope with your or your team's
pictures and names then you win cash but first like a lot of fun oh my god this just
sounds insane i mean i remember hearing about this stuff and going on like college dorms but like
an entire city dear god i'll have to float that around my my 2600 group oh man that'd be just
insane yeah there we go dude the la 2600 assassination oh yeah so that so that's streetwars.net just just
read it it's just it's it's insane i can just picture myself just hanging around boston playing
this game and just like walking out and just surveying everyone as i walk out my building and
just having this water gun and running down the street our one other side i want to point out as
as possible as the second side of the week is for something specifically for this friday it's
tinyurl.com slash october yankee six bravo mike a recipe for blackberry muffins that you should
make on friday and eat while the verdict's being announced oh what the hell that's funny so while
you're while you're reading while you're watching the blackberry case live on court tv you can
enjoy the blackberry muffins that's the whole point yeah all right any shout out good so uh email
radio at ginrov.com oh yeah we did skip the shouts didn't we uh natis do you have shouts
um i don't give a shout out to everybody in ddp uh shout out to you guys shout out to all the
listeners and to all the people on daily freak all the people that actually read it and support it
and a shout out to duel too because i talked to him the other day and he's cool and decoder cool
and decoder yeah shout out to decoder shout out to uh lance james this week yeah fuck yeah and
kevin mitnick and darcy and kevin paulson and all the other people you guys know and i'm just lonely
and shout out to danny kass shout out to danny kass for winning the silver medal
hey so what should i do next week should i email you guys or whatever about uh what happens
i probably won't be a guest again next week
yeah we can bring you back on
yeah sure why not so we can just yeah you can just do you can just do a
yeah we'll figure something out we'll talk about this later um email us yeah radio
music this evening is from an artist called low fish and it's called theme to parked cars
park cars park cars oh i keep on getting forgetting like i'm forgetting something
would parked cars be like ben or and ricka kasek in coffins
you're just so funny and no one actually got that in the audience i think probably few few people
got fewer people got that than my uh austrian cross country shame joke so
been rev more esoteric every day
yes so we will see you next week same hack channel
very nice
lord
this
Thank you.