WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.860 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.320 --> 00:14.940 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:14.940 --> 00:16.020 and a fag pwned. 00:16.160 --> 00:21.060 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:21.320 --> 00:25.860 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.140 --> 00:28.140 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. 00:28.140 --> 00:31.900 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero. 00:32.100 --> 00:34.580 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream packs. 00:34.900 --> 00:37.780 You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.100 --> 00:39.800 Our exchange you could never stifle. 00:40.060 --> 00:42.940 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.240 --> 00:46.960 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.300 --> 00:51.520 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:51.960 --> 00:55.700 You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:55.700 --> 01:00.140 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.360 --> 01:02.920 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.340 --> 01:05.960 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:06.480 --> 01:09.260 Serial codes, source codes, ISO... 01:09.260 --> 01:15.640 Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode number 138 for March 7th, 2006. 01:16.000 --> 01:17.060 I'm Strom Carlson. 01:18.520 --> 01:19.620 I'm Black Ratchet. 01:19.940 --> 01:21.480 And with us this evening is Deshi. 01:22.300 --> 01:22.620 Hey. 01:23.160 --> 01:23.900 Hello Deshi. 01:23.900 --> 01:26.600 What is up? 01:26.700 --> 01:28.900 The, the, ever, the... 01:29.480 --> 01:31.300 I'm too excited to be here. 01:31.660 --> 01:31.940 Hey. 01:33.160 --> 01:33.420 Hey. 01:33.840 --> 01:34.240 Hey. 01:34.240 --> 01:34.740 We're both hello. 01:36.340 --> 01:36.820 Yeah. 01:37.940 --> 01:38.260 Yes. 01:38.840 --> 01:39.180 Hello. 01:39.880 --> 01:40.140 So. 01:40.880 --> 01:41.200 Yes. 01:41.600 --> 01:41.880 Welcome. 01:42.000 --> 01:43.180 Strom, how does it feel to be a celebrity? 01:43.800 --> 01:46.540 Um, it's, it's kind of weird. 01:46.540 --> 01:54.140 I took a nap just now and I've gotten about as much mileage of, uh, as, but, uh, I'm still 01:54.140 --> 01:54.380 tired. 01:54.760 --> 01:56.740 I've gotten about as much mileage out of the phrase. 01:56.800 --> 01:57.020 Apparently. 01:57.140 --> 02:03.760 Well, I hacked Kinko's as an introduction, as I'm likely to get, so, um, yeah, I can't interject 02:03.760 --> 02:07.980 I hacked Kinko's anymore, but apart from that, it's, um, yeah. 02:09.300 --> 02:10.980 It's, it's pretty weird so far. 02:11.120 --> 02:12.680 I'm, I'm not sure what's going to happen. 02:12.760 --> 02:13.260 What was that? 02:15.260 --> 02:19.100 I'm not sure what's going to happen when, uh, when DEFCON or Layer 1 rolls around. 02:19.100 --> 02:29.260 Yeah, um, so, yeah, we don't really have any housekeeping this evening. 02:30.000 --> 02:30.400 Yeah. 02:30.580 --> 02:32.880 No, I thought that we had, uh, Deshi going on to his server room. 02:33.500 --> 02:37.520 So, Deshi, Deshi, for those of you who don't know, the topic tonight is we're going to talk 02:37.520 --> 02:44.100 about pirate radio, because, you know, Deshi about, no, I, yeah, no, not, not, not, not 02:44.100 --> 02:45.000 that kind of pirate radio. 02:45.320 --> 02:47.560 We are actually doing the. 02:49.100 --> 02:50.700 Arr, a little pirate radio song. 02:50.700 --> 02:52.080 I'm going to make you go, arrr. 02:54.580 --> 02:57.080 I figured we'd kill that joke right away, so. 02:58.500 --> 03:01.520 Yeah, I think so, too, because if we don't, I'm going to, I'm going to, like, take out my 03:01.520 --> 03:03.920 pirate hat and put on my eyepatch, and, uh. 03:03.920 --> 03:05.220 You guys can hear me now, right? 03:05.860 --> 03:06.980 Yes, we can hear you now. 03:06.980 --> 03:07.660 Oh, yeah, you're fine. 03:08.260 --> 03:08.580 Okay. 03:09.780 --> 03:10.520 Can you hear me now? 03:10.800 --> 03:11.120 Good. 03:11.720 --> 03:14.080 Well, I thought maybe before you guys were going to hear me. 03:14.600 --> 03:18.980 Well, we just kept hearing lots of background noise, like you were going on speakerphone, 03:18.980 --> 03:23.080 or walking into a turbine or something, I don't know. 03:24.560 --> 03:25.340 That's kind of odd. 03:25.660 --> 03:32.860 So, well, anyway, Deshi about, you know, two, two, two weeks ago, I'd say about two weeks 03:32.860 --> 03:37.640 ago, he, he messaged me on IRC, which, uh, actually we should mention that, too, on your 03:37.640 --> 03:42.160 hacking stories, um, that, hey, you know, hey, you guys rock, you know, um, I'm putting 03:42.160 --> 03:43.280 you on my radio station. 03:43.280 --> 03:46.560 And I was like, oh, oh, cool, on an actual radio station. 03:46.640 --> 03:50.360 And he says, oh, yeah, I run a pirate radio station out in, uh, I don't even know where 03:50.360 --> 03:51.240 you are, Wisconsin, is it? 03:52.840 --> 03:54.860 So, yeah, he's broadcasting us to the cows. 03:56.120 --> 03:58.660 Basically, it's the end of cows and cheese. 03:59.260 --> 04:01.480 These cows can reprogram anything now. 04:03.080 --> 04:03.480 Sweet. 04:03.480 --> 04:09.820 So, next time, next time I have my fine Wisconsin cheese, I'll know that that cheese came from 04:09.820 --> 04:11.800 a cow that hacks Kinko's. 04:12.600 --> 04:13.400 That's right. 04:15.660 --> 04:16.300 Alrighty. 04:17.640 --> 04:25.220 Yeah, so, so I, I was intrigued by this, because, uh, I, I actually had no clue that we were on 04:25.220 --> 04:27.300 any radio station, let alone a pirate radio station. 04:27.300 --> 04:31.680 And, and, and just, just, just to get this out of the way, we, you know, we do not condone 04:31.680 --> 04:36.800 legal activity, legal activity, we, we condone legal activities, we don't condone illegal 04:36.800 --> 04:41.680 activities as, you know, DDP, bin rev radio, blah, blah, blah, blah, if, you know, for example, 04:41.900 --> 04:47.580 if, for example, we are on a pirate radio station, we really, you know, don't have to, we don't 04:47.580 --> 04:51.240 support it and such, and, uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 04:53.560 --> 04:55.180 Will you please stop doing that? 04:55.280 --> 04:55.460 Yeah. 04:55.460 --> 04:57.260 That was bad. 04:58.000 --> 04:59.420 Yeah, please, please don't do that. 05:00.640 --> 05:05.800 And this is, this is the, uh, this is what we do for doing live. 05:06.180 --> 05:11.360 Anyway, um, yeah, so, you know, apparently we're on a pirate radio station now, and we 05:11.360 --> 05:15.760 did, after talking to Deshi for a while, he was a cool guy, and we actually, I actually 05:15.760 --> 05:18.400 said, you know, hey, you want to come on the show and talk about pirate radio? 05:18.500 --> 05:21.840 So he jumped into that, and that's our, that's our topic this evening. 05:21.840 --> 05:26.420 So I, I think it's time we answered some email. 05:27.140 --> 05:30.480 I, I, yeah, because we, we got a lot of email this week, it's kind of amazing. 05:30.980 --> 05:32.180 Yeah, we better jump right into it. 05:32.180 --> 05:33.480 Yeah, we had about, like, you know, eight messages. 05:34.140 --> 05:39.940 Actually, I, I, I think I want to go on a rant here, and I, I, I want to call somebody 05:39.940 --> 05:43.820 out, because, because someone is emailing the radio station. 05:44.940 --> 05:47.080 Um, I, I'm trying to find his name here. 05:47.140 --> 05:48.560 He's sending us four words. 05:49.640 --> 05:51.960 We'll, we'll just call him Corey. 05:53.380 --> 05:55.140 Corey, we know who you are. 05:55.920 --> 06:00.200 He, he, he has sent us two four words of, like, you know, forward this to 15 bazillion 06:00.200 --> 06:01.160 people that you know. 06:01.600 --> 06:04.860 Now, for example, we, we always like getting email here at BinRev. 06:04.860 --> 06:06.320 Should we give the address out? 06:07.440 --> 06:08.700 No, no, we should not. 06:08.700 --> 06:09.720 Yes, yes, I think so. 06:10.500 --> 06:11.260 No, we're not. 06:11.380 --> 06:12.140 We're not going to do that. 06:12.600 --> 06:18.320 And, you know, Corey, we, you know, thank you for the email, but at the same point, thanks, 06:18.380 --> 06:18.880 but no thanks. 06:19.640 --> 06:21.520 Oh, I, I'm not interested in getting that. 06:21.600 --> 06:25.660 I've trained all of my people that know my email address not to send me such things, 06:25.660 --> 06:27.760 to actually be excluded from these. 06:28.400 --> 06:32.740 Forward 15 bazillion people, and forward, and you'll get good luck for 20 years. 06:32.740 --> 06:38.280 Um, and I'm not really not interested in getting the Radio BinRev.com address. 06:38.420 --> 06:40.700 And actually, we, we're actually starting to get spam on BinRev. 06:41.100 --> 06:41.480 Yeah, yeah. 06:41.480 --> 06:42.180 Which is really disturbing. 06:42.500 --> 06:43.000 Oh, God. 06:43.460 --> 06:46.820 We've gotten, like, you know, two or three hot stock tips, too, and I'm like, wow. 06:47.340 --> 06:53.500 Well, buy the penny stock, and your ass will be raped harder than, um, uh, uh, someone else. 06:53.500 --> 06:57.500 Well, the penny stock, how, how much stuff can, if you buy a hundred shares of it, you'll lose 06:57.500 --> 06:57.880 a dollar. 06:58.040 --> 06:59.440 I mean, there's no place to go but up. 06:59.440 --> 07:03.600 It's, it's pump and dump, but if you can get on all the pumps, you're all set, you know. 07:04.000 --> 07:04.620 I guess so. 07:04.700 --> 07:06.660 You just dump when they dump, and you make a profit. 07:08.840 --> 07:12.960 So, speaking of email, well, and, and, and, we're not trying to, we're trying to call you 07:12.960 --> 07:14.920 out, Corey, and we're not trying to make fun of you, but still. 07:14.920 --> 07:15.200 Yes, we are. 07:15.400 --> 07:18.540 You know, just, no, don't send that, please. 07:18.600 --> 07:18.960 Thank you. 07:19.320 --> 07:20.260 And that goes for everyone else. 07:20.560 --> 07:25.420 I, I'm not, I'm not interested in getting bad luck for 10 years, or finding out who my true 07:25.420 --> 07:29.680 friends are by forwarding these things, and, well, at least people aren't, like, sending 07:29.680 --> 07:30.780 us MySpace invitations. 07:31.580 --> 07:32.120 That's true. 07:32.320 --> 07:35.500 I, I, I guess I gotta thank God for golf, thank God for small favors. 07:36.480 --> 07:36.840 Wow. 07:37.040 --> 07:42.840 I, I, I went to go, yeah, I, I was bridging in the email theme, and my other phone rebooted. 07:44.960 --> 07:46.160 So, that's not good. 07:46.160 --> 07:47.060 I'll, I'll, did you break it? 07:47.540 --> 07:48.820 No, I'll just do it from this phone. 07:50.900 --> 07:51.080 Huh. 07:53.680 --> 07:54.680 Live radio, folks. 07:55.420 --> 08:17.640 Our first dead hookers, an email, is from, uh, Gripper Fox, and he says, 08:17.840 --> 08:22.140 Dear hosts, I finally managed to listen live to your great show tonight. 08:22.140 --> 08:24.880 It was 3.30 a.m. here in Germany, and I thought about Binrev. 08:24.880 --> 08:25.800 Weird, eh? 08:26.740 --> 08:28.460 So, about the dig slash yig thing. 08:29.980 --> 08:39.500 H07.org, the headline dig.de is now yig.de, and, uh, yig.de about PHP, I'm sorry for what 08:39.500 --> 08:41.380 I'm about to do, but I'm going to butcher the pronunciation. 08:42.100 --> 08:44.220 Verstecht hinter dig und jig? 08:45.340 --> 08:46.460 Ultra short transcript. 08:46.800 --> 08:47.680 Idea slash concept. 08:47.680 --> 08:49.360 I, I, I think, I think you got it right, personally. 08:49.800 --> 08:50.040 Really? 08:50.240 --> 08:50.520 Okay. 08:51.340 --> 08:55.140 I was just kind of guessing at it, but, uh, at, at, at least it wasn't Russian. 08:55.580 --> 08:56.500 Ultra short transcript. 08:56.980 --> 08:59.500 Idea slash concept was, was by Kevin Rose. 09:00.380 --> 09:00.780 Sigh. 09:00.780 --> 09:07.660 Personally, I dislike Kevin a bit, but it seems the yig.de slash h07.org crew doesn't mind 09:07.660 --> 09:08.500 too much about him. 09:09.520 --> 09:11.520 About tapping VoIP, someone mentioned in a mail. 09:11.920 --> 09:13.080 It's so fucking easy. 09:13.740 --> 09:17.680 Vomit.xtdnet.nl, originally done for Cisco's protocol. 09:17.680 --> 09:24.900 And, ox, that's O-X-I-D dot IT slash cane dot html, sadly for Windows, but very powerful. 09:25.740 --> 09:28.380 About Tivo alternatives, Tivo is not available here in Germany. 09:29.040 --> 09:32.500 I'm using an old modified D-Box 2 satellite receiver under Linux. 09:32.740 --> 09:36.400 There's a spinoff company which produces a Linux-based PowerPC satellite box. 09:36.940 --> 09:41.480 Dream Multimedia TV, that's dream-multimedia-tv.de. 09:42.440 --> 09:43.720 Greets, Ripper Fox. 09:47.680 --> 09:48.320 P.S. 09:48.740 --> 09:50.000 Yeah, sorry, I didn't see the P.S. 09:50.480 --> 09:54.560 P.S., are many possibilities to get the call-in number from outside the U.S. written in the 09:54.560 --> 09:55.320 forum or website? 09:55.820 --> 09:58.160 I really was too slow in the hunt for paper. 09:58.680 --> 09:59.120 Ellipsis. 10:00.680 --> 10:01.160 So. 10:01.740 --> 10:02.180 Yay. 10:02.500 --> 10:04.240 Well, first off, I mean, yeah. 10:04.580 --> 10:04.940 Amazing. 10:05.100 --> 10:06.040 Someone listened from Europe. 10:06.320 --> 10:06.660 Live. 10:07.140 --> 10:07.540 Wow. 10:07.760 --> 10:08.080 Wow. 10:09.440 --> 10:11.680 Yeah, you're a sick, sad person there, Ripper Fox. 10:12.040 --> 10:14.420 But you're kind of a ripped, sick, sad person. 10:14.420 --> 10:15.760 We applaud your sick, sadness. 10:17.680 --> 10:22.680 Um, personally, myself, I've played with both Vomit and Cain. 10:23.200 --> 10:25.340 And, uh, apologies, apologies to everyone. 10:25.460 --> 10:29.980 I didn't tiny URL any of them, uh, for the end of the email, so, oops, oh well. 10:30.520 --> 10:33.300 Um, Cain was mentioned before on the show. 10:33.440 --> 10:34.080 I forget when. 10:34.160 --> 10:37.180 I want to say when Iron Geek called in and talked about it. 10:37.820 --> 10:40.600 But, uh, I'm not 100% sure. 10:40.600 --> 10:43.320 Um, but Cain even talked on the show. 10:43.400 --> 10:46.840 I believe it actually, we had a entire show. 10:47.000 --> 10:48.480 I completely forgot about this until today. 10:48.820 --> 10:52.380 There was an entire show about monitoring Asterisk and VoIP conversations. 10:52.820 --> 10:54.920 And they talked about, uh, Cain and Abel. 10:55.040 --> 10:56.780 And they talked about, uh, Vomit. 10:56.860 --> 10:58.140 It was, uh, Stankdog and Natus. 10:58.160 --> 11:00.540 It was like episode 100? 11:00.700 --> 11:01.440 Episode 99? 11:02.000 --> 11:03.420 I, I'm not 100% sure. 11:03.840 --> 11:04.920 But, uh, search the archives. 11:04.920 --> 11:05.900 It's like page four. 11:07.080 --> 11:19.920 Um, Vomit only works with Cisco phones using ULA, ULA, Companding, and the, uh, Skinny or, uh, SCCP protocol. 11:20.760 --> 11:21.140 What's that? 11:21.200 --> 11:23.100 The Skinny, Cisco Control Protocol? 11:23.320 --> 11:25.160 The Skinny Call Control Protocol, I think. 11:26.800 --> 11:27.640 Call Control Protocol. 11:27.780 --> 11:28.500 Yeah, one of those things. 11:28.560 --> 11:29.080 SCCP. 11:29.640 --> 11:32.980 Um, with any other phones or protocols, you're hosed. 11:32.980 --> 11:37.420 Um, Cain, on the other hand, it does a good job picking up other protocols, like SIP. 11:37.940 --> 11:43.680 However, the last time I checked, it still could not record, um, Eek's conversations. 11:44.200 --> 11:46.860 Like, it saw that, oh, there's a VoIP conversation here. 11:47.080 --> 11:52.560 And it thinks it's, it, I mean, it's either couldn't record it or thought it was recording it and it really wasn't. 11:53.420 --> 11:56.140 Um, but it, it, it didn't work. 11:56.200 --> 11:56.660 That's what I remember. 11:56.760 --> 11:59.560 Of course, this was like, I think about six months ago. 11:59.640 --> 12:00.860 So they may have released a new version. 12:00.860 --> 12:03.860 I'm pretty sure they released a new version, but I'm not sure if they fixed that problem. 12:04.800 --> 12:11.200 Um, and of course, now that Eek's has encryption, uh, all this stuff should be rendered useless unless you, they know the keys already. 12:11.800 --> 12:14.660 And there's also, for SIP, there's, uh, SRTP. 12:14.980 --> 12:19.320 It's a, uh, Secure Real Time Protocol or something. 12:19.320 --> 12:19.380 Okay. 12:23.380 --> 12:23.740 Yeah. 12:23.740 --> 12:24.700 Um, yeah. 12:26.780 --> 12:28.900 As for, uh, you know, your Vue Robux. 12:28.940 --> 12:34.360 Yeah, if you're using encryption on all your VoIP stuff, then it's, uh, kind of useless unless you know your encryption keys as well, so. 12:35.440 --> 12:36.440 Encryption's the way to go. 12:36.660 --> 12:37.160 I just said that. 12:37.540 --> 12:37.820 Did you? 12:37.900 --> 12:38.160 Oh, yeah. 12:38.840 --> 12:39.980 Encryption is always the way to go. 12:40.120 --> 12:40.400 Yes. 12:40.660 --> 12:40.840 Yeah. 12:40.880 --> 12:41.300 That's what it is. 12:41.340 --> 12:41.980 Encryption is good. 12:43.360 --> 12:45.040 Did I mention I just woke up for an app? 12:45.040 --> 12:47.580 Yes, you just did. 12:48.080 --> 12:48.600 Many times. 12:50.140 --> 12:50.980 What's our next email? 12:51.600 --> 12:53.320 Our next email is from Candela. 12:53.840 --> 12:54.580 And he writes, 12:55.180 --> 13:00.500 On you episode 136, you guys said that Kevin Rose is responsible for the close of Dig.de. 13:00.880 --> 13:04.380 You also mentioned that he turns his back, that he turned his back on the community. 13:05.420 --> 13:11.340 I also hear from Kevin himself he was not, re, what is it, reposponsible for the close of Dig.de. 13:12.340 --> 13:14.800 God, the guy from Germany had better spelling than this guy. 13:14.800 --> 13:15.740 I'm confused. 13:16.220 --> 13:17.640 This guy, this guy's from France. 13:18.000 --> 13:18.400 Oh, okay. 13:20.180 --> 13:21.300 Is there something I'm missing? 13:21.600 --> 13:23.060 I'm sorry, guys, but I'm missing something. 13:23.200 --> 13:26.240 Have you guys considered having Kevin as a guest on one of your episodes? 13:26.860 --> 13:27.580 Thanks for your show. 13:27.640 --> 13:28.360 I really enjoy it. 13:28.540 --> 13:28.860 Candela. 13:31.380 --> 13:33.000 Yes, if you look at the email, he's from France. 13:33.060 --> 13:34.740 You can't really cite him for bad language on that. 13:35.340 --> 13:36.820 You can't cite anybody on bad language. 13:36.920 --> 13:38.660 Just leave him alone and just read the email. 13:39.040 --> 13:40.160 Dang, I've read the email. 13:40.440 --> 13:41.100 It's not English. 13:41.100 --> 13:41.440 Anyway. 13:41.440 --> 13:47.940 Okay, I think I said this last week, but I'm not 100% sure. 13:48.320 --> 13:52.600 I think I was wrong when I stated that Kevin Rose was responsible. 13:53.120 --> 13:55.920 I believe I admitted to it last week, but I don't know. 13:55.920 --> 14:04.840 I'm pretty sure Mr. Rose had nothing to do with it directly, but I think dig.de saw the writing on the wall. 14:05.600 --> 14:10.440 I mean, if you go back a couple episodes, it was like the previous week before they changed their name. 14:11.380 --> 14:13.720 Dig was trademarked in the European Union. 14:13.720 --> 14:19.880 And, you know, if you're trademarking something like that, you know, you're going to start going after people. 14:19.960 --> 14:20.900 It's just one of those things. 14:20.900 --> 14:30.720 So, I think it was mostly something called the chilling effect, which basically, you know, you see something go down, you go, oh, crap. 14:31.300 --> 14:32.300 And you sell yourself. 14:33.280 --> 14:40.200 But, I mean, he says that he wasn't involved directly, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. 14:40.200 --> 14:47.020 But, at the same point, I think there was just, you know, he might have been indirectly involved. 14:47.380 --> 14:47.880 What can we say? 14:48.660 --> 14:48.860 Eh. 14:50.000 --> 14:56.860 As for getting Kevin on the show, as you all know, I'm not a fan of Kevin or his methods. 14:58.460 --> 15:00.620 I'm afraid it would just turn into an all-out framework. 15:01.280 --> 15:04.300 We've had reason to suspect that Mr. Rose listens. 15:04.300 --> 15:10.560 And you can, this was more brought up in the old Stank Dog episodes when he was on Tech TV. 15:11.520 --> 15:13.120 Sorry, Kevin Rose was on Tech TV. 15:13.260 --> 15:15.220 Stank Dog was never on Tech TV, sadly. 15:18.000 --> 15:24.280 If you either listened or at one time listened to this show, if he still does and he wants to come on, you can feel free to contact me. 15:25.340 --> 15:28.120 BlackRatchet at BlackRatchet.org or RadioPinRev.com. 15:28.900 --> 15:31.740 But, like I said, I'm not a fan and whatever. 15:32.560 --> 15:33.800 Desha, do you like Kevin Rose? 15:34.640 --> 15:35.520 No, I don't. 15:37.000 --> 15:37.620 No, you don't? 15:37.700 --> 15:38.740 Why don't you like Kevin Rose? 15:39.140 --> 15:40.860 I think he's full of himself. 15:41.080 --> 15:45.900 I think he came up with some all right idea and then kind of got an eagle about it. 15:46.520 --> 15:47.580 Thinks he's all that because he's all that. 15:52.080 --> 15:54.680 I'll give him credit for the Dig.com thing. 15:54.800 --> 15:56.220 That was an okay idea. 15:57.900 --> 16:03.180 It's sort of like, you know, you have a bunch of people who are RSS link aggregators. 16:03.180 --> 16:15.280 And it's a lot like Corrosion, except it's just, I don't know, it's just, it's a lot like Corrosion, except it's more link-based rather than story-based, like Corrosion was said. 16:15.400 --> 16:20.760 And for those of you who don't know, Corrosion is K-U-R-O-5-H-I-N.org. 16:20.760 --> 16:24.580 This is the sound of my head exploding. 16:25.960 --> 16:27.460 No, but Dig's pretty cool. 16:27.460 --> 16:34.820 I mean, my story, my FedEx thing got digged three times in the space of, like, six days. 16:35.560 --> 16:38.240 So, it's pretty cool. 16:38.420 --> 16:40.080 Do you just like them because they're kissing your butt? 16:40.280 --> 16:41.260 Well, no, no. 16:41.380 --> 16:49.260 It's interesting because, you know, it's, I guess, it's good from a standpoint of let the readers decide what's important. 16:50.360 --> 16:52.720 So you're not, it's more interesting that way. 16:52.720 --> 16:59.300 But the only problem is that the people who comment on it seem to be just kind of absolute tools. 16:59.900 --> 17:05.960 And also, when you have a story and it says, you know, oh, this story has been blogged by this person and this person and this person, you go to those blogs. 17:06.460 --> 17:07.500 They're not actually blogs. 17:07.620 --> 17:10.500 They're just collections of links on Dig. 17:11.840 --> 17:12.880 What's the blog there? 17:13.560 --> 17:19.100 Well, no, but there's not even anything that's written by the blogger. 17:19.100 --> 17:23.480 It's just whatever shows up on Dig just gets stuck into the blog. 17:23.660 --> 17:26.420 There's no actual writing involved. 17:26.660 --> 17:27.340 It's amazing. 17:29.660 --> 17:34.120 Well, and also, it's part of the echo chamber. 17:34.540 --> 17:37.940 And, you know, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, I guess you could say. 17:40.760 --> 17:40.960 Perhaps. 17:41.280 --> 17:48.900 So, I mean, my only question is, do you read a blog with no original content at all? 17:49.640 --> 17:49.960 A parent. 17:51.620 --> 17:56.140 I guess I could say dig.com users because that's what old dig.com is. 18:00.120 --> 18:01.240 It's a weblog. 18:01.380 --> 18:02.340 It has different links. 18:02.600 --> 18:03.840 And people comment on it. 18:04.000 --> 18:04.800 That's what it is. 18:05.640 --> 18:05.940 Yeah. 18:06.360 --> 18:11.500 And basically, you know, Kevin Rose just has his, like, little, you know, coding monkeys there saying, you know, 18:11.500 --> 18:16.920 code me up a script to make the links go up and then make me tons of ad revenue. 18:17.820 --> 18:20.280 I could just imagine him in leather chaps with a whip, yeah. 18:22.700 --> 18:33.140 Personally, I was picturing him in one of those, like, you know, Egyptian pharaoh things where the guys hold him on top of the, he has the throne and the guys hold him on the shoulders. 18:33.140 --> 18:43.760 Yeah, he's on the sedan chair and then he, he, he cracks the whip and he has, like, 40 slaves pulling the giant brick of, of code or something. 18:44.820 --> 18:50.340 Yeah, I bet, like, Kevin, like, you know, just brought up an email to write us that, oh, I'd love to come on your show and we're just making fun of him right now. 18:50.360 --> 18:51.520 He's like, oh, screw these guys. 18:52.360 --> 18:55.820 Well, hey, hey, I'd love to have him on the show if he's wearing leather chaps. 18:55.820 --> 18:58.600 Yeah, I bet you would. 18:58.600 --> 19:09.220 All right, our next email, so we don't spend too much time on these damn emails. 19:09.220 --> 19:12.580 Uh, what's up? 19:13.200 --> 19:14.080 Brief introduction. 19:14.440 --> 19:14.960 I'm Arthur. 19:15.320 --> 19:20.600 I started listening to your show last semester, but I started with show number one, and I think I got up to, like, 20-something. 19:21.220 --> 19:22.800 I listen to you guys on Off the Hook. 19:23.060 --> 19:28.920 Off the Hook is mostly politics, which is cool, but if I listen to hacker radio, I want to hear hacker news, not terrorist shit. 19:29.800 --> 19:33.580 Anyway, I set up a server a little while back, and I want to host your radio files on my server. 19:33.980 --> 19:36.200 I was wondering what the best way to go about doing so was. 19:36.200 --> 19:39.080 Could you maybe send me a tar archive of all the MP3s? 19:39.360 --> 19:44.980 Here's my site, and that's cptpotato.dnsalias.org. 19:45.480 --> 19:48.020 I'll be putting you guys under the files, der. 19:48.540 --> 19:51.120 Let me know if I can help, or let me know if you can help. 19:51.420 --> 19:52.840 Arthur, Captain Potato. 19:54.300 --> 19:57.440 I'm whacking on this whole tiny URL thing this week. 19:57.680 --> 20:03.140 tinyurl.com slash r6, romeo6 yankee8uniform. 20:04.460 --> 20:05.680 So, yeah. 20:06.200 --> 20:09.640 Arthur, personally, I'm going to agree on Off the Hook. 20:10.440 --> 20:14.040 The only reason I listen to Off the Hook is, essentially, Bernie S. 20:14.400 --> 20:15.320 That's about it. 20:15.980 --> 20:19.260 Personally, what I think, I'm not sure about you guys. 20:19.320 --> 20:24.000 I think they should give, like, Bernie S his own little spin-off show, where it's like the Bernie S show. 20:24.000 --> 20:28.520 And, personally, I just abandoned Off the Hook in a heartbeat. 20:28.760 --> 20:31.440 That'd be just like, bam, I'd be out of there. 20:32.640 --> 20:34.720 Emmanuel would have, like, you know, two listeners left. 20:35.280 --> 20:37.360 And all the other WBIA nuts. 20:37.360 --> 20:48.580 As for your archiving request, as of yet, we really don't have, like, a DVD or a tar file or a zip file of just all the shows that we could send you. 20:48.580 --> 20:56.560 However, if you look at the URL for one of the shows, you can directory traverse the whole show. 20:56.680 --> 20:59.460 I think Stank set it up to be so that it's easy to mirror. 20:59.460 --> 21:05.620 So, basically, just feed that directory into wgit, and you should be able to mirror everything on the site quite easily. 21:06.380 --> 21:08.420 I think that's what you're trying to avoid doing, yeah. 21:09.360 --> 21:11.820 Well, you know, if he has bandwidth, use it. 21:12.900 --> 21:16.020 I have the DVD of all of them, so I'm lucky. 21:16.280 --> 21:16.840 Well, there you go. 21:17.040 --> 21:19.220 Well, what's your email there, Deshi? 21:19.300 --> 21:21.460 You can go send it to a good old... 21:21.460 --> 21:23.020 WickedRadio at gmail.com. 21:23.660 --> 21:25.400 So, WickedRadio at gmail.com. 21:25.400 --> 21:34.540 You know, if any of you want a BINREV Radio DVD of some sort, Deshi will accommodate you for a small nominal fee. 21:36.800 --> 21:39.500 The shipping cost, that's about it. 21:40.380 --> 21:44.400 Yeah, well, but either way, I mean, if someone else... 21:45.120 --> 21:50.800 Hey, believe me, I'll use FedEx because I really hate UPS and DHL won't come off of my house. 21:51.860 --> 21:53.140 Oh, DHL's even worse. 21:53.620 --> 21:54.980 Oh, DHL's horrid. 21:55.400 --> 21:56.980 I hate them for horrid. 21:57.760 --> 21:59.620 So, I hate those bastards. 22:01.860 --> 22:04.720 DHL's concept of package tracking is Monday. 22:05.120 --> 22:07.620 It left New York the following Monday. 22:07.760 --> 22:08.960 Oh, it's in Los Angeles now. 22:11.360 --> 22:13.400 Oh, hell, that's like the Postal Service. 22:13.620 --> 22:14.620 Their tracking is horrible. 22:15.100 --> 22:19.340 Yeah, well, no, the Postal Service is like it arrives, and then three days later they tell you, 22:19.380 --> 22:21.060 oh, by the way, it's arriving in Los Angeles. 22:23.040 --> 22:24.200 That's the Postal Service. 22:24.200 --> 22:25.320 Yeah. 22:26.280 --> 22:29.060 Actually, it's just going to be completely off-tangent here. 22:29.060 --> 22:34.080 The DHL story that I like the most is a friend's business. 22:34.440 --> 22:39.560 His business started saying, you know, DHL said, oh, you know, we'll give you this sweet shipping deal. 22:39.780 --> 22:42.240 And the guy owner was like, that's a pretty good deal. 22:42.280 --> 22:43.020 I'll go with you guys. 22:43.020 --> 22:43.760 I'll trust you out. 22:43.760 --> 22:50.460 And so, they ship, they have this customer, like, way up in northern Maine, like, you know, east bumfuck. 22:51.400 --> 22:57.940 And, you know, the guy, like, ordered, like, you know, every week he placed an order. 22:58.360 --> 23:02.800 And then he called them up, like, three weeks later and said, I haven't got any of my orders from you. 23:03.340 --> 23:06.240 And they'll say, oh, my God, well, hold on, let's go call up DHL. 23:06.720 --> 23:13.360 And DHL basically told them, oh, yeah, northern Maine, yeah, we just throw stuff into a truck and whenever it gets full, we deliver it. 23:14.660 --> 23:16.300 We don't like to go up there every day. 23:16.480 --> 23:17.720 I'm like, oh, my God. 23:18.680 --> 23:21.640 So, needless to say, DHL had a short life after that. 23:21.840 --> 23:22.060 Yeah. 23:25.480 --> 23:35.540 Yeah, but anyway, if anyone else wants to mirror the show and you have, you know, gobs of bandwidth and you don't mind downloading all of them, you can, you know, load it into the show. 23:35.620 --> 23:45.880 I mean, you might want to contact either myself, StankDog, post it in the forum, send us PM, IM, SmokeSignal, CarrierPigeon, just to, like, let us know that you're going to be downloading. 23:45.880 --> 23:48.020 You know, I don't even know. 23:48.120 --> 23:52.540 Let's see, 15, 138 shows, 15 megs of pop. 23:52.620 --> 23:55.400 That's going to be, like, you know, somewhere in the range of, like, two, two and a half gigs. 23:56.060 --> 23:57.660 So, just let us know for it. 23:57.680 --> 23:58.360 That's all we ask. 23:58.700 --> 23:58.820 Yeah. 24:01.360 --> 24:06.240 But, yeah, if you want to, otherwise, you know, just, I guess, email Deshi or something and he'll send you a DVD. 24:09.320 --> 24:10.660 So, who's our next email from? 24:10.740 --> 24:10.960 Eggman? 24:10.960 --> 24:12.280 Our next email is Eggman, yeah. 24:12.280 --> 24:26.040 And he writes, having recently found that I love cryptography, I spent hours reading forums and Wikipedia and I got to wondering if BINREV has ever done a show on cryptography. 24:26.640 --> 24:28.380 If so, what number of shows should I listen to? 24:28.760 --> 24:32.960 If not, make one and pour everything you know about cryptography into it. 24:34.360 --> 24:40.100 Items of particular interest are comparisons of different encryption algorithms and security flaws that could undermine the encryption process. 24:40.100 --> 24:41.760 Many thanks, Eggman. 24:42.280 --> 24:52.860 Well, as for your, I always like this statement, take your, make a cryptography show and pour everything you wanted, all your knowledge into it. 24:52.880 --> 24:56.400 And I think that show, for me, would be somewhere in the range of five to ten minutes. 24:57.760 --> 25:00.020 Yeah, I think for me it might be 30 seconds. 25:01.120 --> 25:05.040 Well, I mean, I know, I read this good book, we'll get into that later. 25:05.040 --> 25:10.440 I got to say, Stank, there are shows out there, we do have two of them. 25:10.700 --> 25:14.460 Stank had Alonka on, who likes cryptography. 25:14.800 --> 25:15.740 And she also likes Wikipedia. 25:16.600 --> 25:18.020 She also likes Wikipedia, yes. 25:18.560 --> 25:22.120 Those two episodes, two episodes are 78 and 99. 25:22.120 --> 25:30.360 Episode 78 covered the basics of cryptography, and episode 99 covered the deciphering of a code. 25:31.500 --> 25:35.120 It's a code on a statue at CIA headquarters. 25:35.380 --> 25:38.560 It's called, I believe it's at CIA headquarters, that or KGB, I'm not sure. 25:39.360 --> 25:43.580 It's a statue called Kryptos, K-R-Y-P-T-O-S. 25:43.580 --> 25:53.680 And it's the, for those of you who don't, just get a basic of it, the statue had, it's essentially, it's the, it's got a like, it's a metal sheet and has a light behind it. 25:53.980 --> 25:59.360 And cut out of the sheets are Russian letters, so it's like a Russian message. 25:59.580 --> 26:05.200 And it's an actual undecoded message up until the fact that this group got together and decoded what actually it said. 26:05.900 --> 26:08.360 So, she does know her stuff. 26:08.360 --> 26:16.600 If you do like cryptography, and I'm completely drawing a blank on the book name, it's by Stephen Levy. 26:17.140 --> 26:21.720 I believe it's like, you know, crypto or, I think it's called crypto, actually. 26:21.880 --> 26:29.960 It's a really good book, and it's, I mean, it's not as much as a how-to on cryptography, but it's a history of cryptography. 26:30.100 --> 26:37.400 I mean, they talk about, you know, Diffie, Hellman, you know, origins of PGP, you know, Phil Zimmerman, all that kind of stuff. 26:37.400 --> 26:41.500 It's a fun book to read if nothing else just gives you an appreciation of history. 26:42.200 --> 26:48.760 And for me, who's, I mean, moderately interested in cryptography, I think it's cool and everything, but I'm not obsessed like you are. 26:49.720 --> 26:55.200 I basically, I read it in about a week of, you know, just commuting time reading. 26:56.080 --> 26:56.840 So, it's a good book. 26:58.040 --> 26:59.180 I know it's by Stephen Levy. 26:59.260 --> 27:02.820 I'm not 100% sure of the title. 27:02.820 --> 27:06.320 So, I think, what's your next email? 27:06.520 --> 27:09.520 Our next email is from Maku. 27:10.280 --> 27:15.820 I was wondering where I can get the full version of the first song that plays on this video, Hack TV Episode 1. 27:16.760 --> 27:22.480 Also, would you know where I could get a hold of a maker of this, by the way, nice website, Smiley Face, Maku? 27:22.480 --> 27:28.300 We actually haven't got one of these emails ever, I think. 27:28.760 --> 27:36.060 Normally, if you go to the front of the webpage of the radio.inrev.com, it's basically one of the first lines says, 27:36.420 --> 27:41.160 before you email a show, if you're curious about the opening theme, it's this, and it gives you the link. 27:41.160 --> 27:45.560 But, from the sounds of it, Maku did not go to that. 27:45.680 --> 27:50.660 He somehow got to, I guess he, I'm not sure how he found the email address, to be honest with you. 27:50.740 --> 27:58.940 It sounds like, the Hack TV Episode 1 that we put in the email is actually the URL for our Hack TV episode on Google Video Service, 27:59.040 --> 28:00.760 which I had no clue was actually there. 28:03.160 --> 28:04.120 So, yeah. 28:04.740 --> 28:10.500 The person who makes it, the person who sung the song is Zerl, and he's actually been on BinRev Radio before. 28:11.160 --> 28:15.960 It's www.zerl.com, Z-E-A-R-L-E. 28:16.740 --> 28:17.660 It's free for download. 28:17.940 --> 28:19.980 I believe it's under Creative Commons, if I'm not mistaken. 28:20.720 --> 28:24.860 If you go to radio.binrev.com, we have a link for it right on the website. 28:26.660 --> 28:34.920 Either way, the video is one of our DDP conglomerate subdivisions at work, 28:35.160 --> 28:37.440 or, you know, multinational conglomerate. 28:37.540 --> 28:40.080 We have different wings working on different things. 28:40.080 --> 28:46.760 We have R&D, and, you know, Hack Radio, and Hack TV, and, yeah, no, not really. 28:46.940 --> 28:51.900 Dr. Zygman is the person actually currently in charge with Hack TV. 28:52.040 --> 28:58.600 I believe the person who made Hack TV Episode 1 was Saito187, I think. 28:58.860 --> 28:59.680 I'm not sure. 28:59.760 --> 29:01.140 It's been a while since I actually watched it. 29:01.140 --> 29:07.560 But, anyway, Dr. Zygman is currently in charge of it, and he's currently hard at work in his, you know, 29:07.640 --> 29:13.580 Dr. Zygman South Florida lair, or whatever it is, on another show, you know, waiting. 29:14.160 --> 29:16.500 He's going to release it so we can all share and enjoy. 29:17.360 --> 29:18.360 Share and enjoy. 29:18.720 --> 29:19.640 Share and enjoy. 29:20.000 --> 29:21.600 Journey through life with plastic. 29:21.600 --> 29:23.360 Yeah, don't say that, please. 29:24.380 --> 29:27.320 But, yeah, Dr. Zygman is a person who's currently in charge of it. 29:28.560 --> 29:32.480 I think it's, like, hacktv.binrev.com or something like that, or TV. 29:33.100 --> 29:34.120 It's right on the front page. 29:34.180 --> 29:34.700 You can go find it. 29:34.740 --> 29:35.760 You can find out who's in charge of it. 29:35.820 --> 29:37.180 And just, you know, stop by the forums. 29:37.260 --> 29:38.700 We have an entire forum for Hack TV. 29:38.700 --> 29:44.460 Shall I read the next email? 29:45.260 --> 29:46.080 Yeah, I guess so. 29:46.300 --> 29:46.780 Oh, okay. 29:47.520 --> 29:52.300 Hey, my name is Matt, and I've been into the scene for a while now, but the show, I love it! 29:52.740 --> 29:56.540 You guys show an interesting spin on daily life and point out some cool shit along the way. 29:57.020 --> 29:58.740 I really hope you all decide to keep the show up. 29:58.800 --> 29:59.620 I love to listen to it. 29:59.740 --> 30:05.200 It truly is a binary revolution, and I'm so happy for you guys and for everyone who tunes into this wonderful program. 30:05.700 --> 30:07.580 Keep it up, and please don't disappear. 30:08.700 --> 30:11.260 Maybe just for kicks, though, a prank call or two once in a while. 30:13.540 --> 30:17.080 Well, we wanted to have an ego-stroking email on here, so thanks for the comments, Matt. 30:17.900 --> 30:20.140 Hey, it's just like summer again. 30:21.560 --> 30:22.160 Yeah, there we go. 30:22.260 --> 30:24.340 Pretty much all our emails were, you suck or you're awesome. 30:25.640 --> 30:27.960 No, we got actually a lot of people who just said you're awesome. 30:28.020 --> 30:29.360 We had a couple people who said we sucked. 30:31.800 --> 30:34.180 Personally, I think we'll stay away from the prank calls. 30:34.180 --> 30:45.000 Although, I don't know, if we keep with tradition, the 150 should be a telephonic craptacular, but I know Stank said there wasn't going to be any more, but you never know. 30:45.080 --> 30:45.960 We might do it. 30:46.100 --> 30:51.740 Well, the day telephonic craptacular, perhaps, but then we have prank calls on BinRev as the day I shoot myself in the head. 30:52.140 --> 30:53.480 Well, it's not prank calls. 30:53.480 --> 30:57.980 It's just, you know, what did Stank and I try to do? 30:58.020 --> 31:02.760 I think we tried to call Sony to get a replacement for our Betamax VCR controller. 31:03.740 --> 31:04.420 No, that's funny. 31:05.540 --> 31:05.820 Yes. 31:07.600 --> 31:11.040 And our last email this evening is from CreekMac. 31:11.420 --> 31:12.400 It's from a different window. 31:12.500 --> 31:13.060 Let me pull that up. 31:13.780 --> 31:13.980 Yeah. 31:14.340 --> 31:14.660 Okay. 31:15.080 --> 31:21.240 Dear Strom and Ratchet, just wondering what you guys think about the possible AT&T acquisition of Bell South. 31:21.240 --> 31:25.120 You guys rock late, FreakMac. 31:25.400 --> 31:25.600 Yes. 31:25.660 --> 31:31.720 In case you've been living under a rock, on Sunday, AT&T announced it's going to purchase Bell South for $67 billion. 31:32.980 --> 31:33.620 Ka-ching. 31:34.360 --> 31:34.840 Ka-ching. 31:35.860 --> 31:43.440 So, for those of you who thought Bell wasn't quite back yet, well, it's forming itself back together. 31:44.400 --> 31:46.520 Maybe we can have, like, Merger Mania Part 2. 31:46.760 --> 31:48.980 Yeah, we're going to have to have another Merger Mania episode. 31:49.980 --> 31:50.340 Oh. 31:50.340 --> 31:51.320 I don't know. 31:51.540 --> 31:57.760 We never really – I mean, we always thought that Bell South might get acquired, but we never actually really saw it coming this soon. 31:57.960 --> 32:02.640 No, I saw it coming because, I mean, SBC and Bell South did joint ventures for so long. 32:03.100 --> 32:03.760 They did Singular. 32:03.940 --> 32:05.760 They had the YellowPages.com joint venture. 32:05.760 --> 32:11.180 And it seemed that they were kind of doing the courtship dance for a time. 32:11.820 --> 32:27.080 And so I figured it was fairly inevitable that either SBC would buy Bell South or, more improbably, that Verizon would buy Bell South or, slightly between the two, that Bell South would buy Quest. 32:27.080 --> 32:40.500 Because after the AT&T SBC mergers and the Verizon MCI mergers, pretty much Bell South is the only major local exchange carrier without its own inter-exchange network. 32:40.500 --> 32:45.900 So it makes sense that Bell South would want to get purchased by AT&T or Verizon. 32:45.900 --> 32:50.420 I don't know. 32:50.560 --> 32:55.580 Anyway, so yes, just not to get on the whole phone thing here, which I had to toss this out here. 32:55.760 --> 32:57.200 But yeah, Bell South, you know, whatever. 32:58.680 --> 32:59.220 I don't know. 32:59.280 --> 32:59.840 Who knows? 33:00.280 --> 33:02.720 The other question is whether or not Verizon's way to buy Quest. 33:02.720 --> 33:04.480 I don't know. 33:04.580 --> 33:04.960 They may. 33:05.060 --> 33:10.160 They may very well do so as kind of a, oh, my God, we're going to lose out if we don't buy something else. 33:10.360 --> 33:13.680 So they may snap of Quest just to keep pace with AT&T. 33:14.760 --> 33:16.140 Yeah, that's what I foresee. 33:16.260 --> 33:17.440 Dusty, what were you saying? 33:18.180 --> 33:19.720 I said I hope they don't. 33:20.400 --> 33:21.020 I don't know. 33:21.060 --> 33:21.880 I just think it would be dumb. 33:23.620 --> 33:24.700 Well, you could have Verizon. 33:24.960 --> 33:26.520 Q-W-E-R-I-Z-O-N. 33:27.040 --> 33:32.700 Well, if I'm a Verizon customer and I don't want it to change how it is, I'm happy with my service. 33:33.480 --> 33:39.420 Well, okay, but Verizon purchasing Quest isn't going to change your existing service if you're already a Verizon customer. 33:39.440 --> 33:40.940 I just think it's kind of dumb, you know. 33:42.940 --> 33:44.940 Well, corporate mania is dumb, period. 33:45.040 --> 33:46.760 It doesn't make everything to gain by buying out Quest. 33:49.240 --> 33:53.200 Well, I mean, theoretically, they could trim a lot of the fat from Quest. 33:53.200 --> 33:57.060 I mean, Verizon seems to be financially in far better shape than Quest is. 33:58.220 --> 34:01.260 So there's definitely the possibility to trim the fat. 34:01.260 --> 34:04.620 Well, my checking account is in better shape than Quest. 34:07.800 --> 34:08.760 That's very true. 34:09.640 --> 34:19.320 There is the opportunity there, at least, to trim all the fat and take care of all the stupidity and have another huge stream of revenue coming in for Quest. 34:19.320 --> 34:22.880 So, all right. 34:22.940 --> 34:25.720 Well, that wraps up our lots of e-mail back. 34:25.720 --> 34:34.640 And, actually, people are e-mailing, just to get this out here, people are e-mailing the show at, like, I think we got, like, two e-mails today. 34:34.640 --> 34:42.300 One was at, like, 6 p.m., and the other one was at, like, 8 p.m. 34:42.300 --> 34:44.860 Actually, the 8 p.m. one was a spam, so I can't really excite that person. 34:45.100 --> 34:51.440 But if you want to get on the show, I mean, despite the fact that we do it live on Tuesdays, the show notes are usually done by Tuesday afternoon. 34:51.440 --> 35:00.620 I usually, you know, sit down on my lunch break, read the e-mails, type the responses, you know, take my notes, and slam it all out, and usually get it out there to everyone before the show. 35:00.720 --> 35:07.420 So, if you want to actually get on something on the show, you might want to e-mail the show probably at the latest Tuesday morning. 35:08.200 --> 35:08.620 Or Monday. 35:08.740 --> 35:09.580 Monday would be best. 35:09.700 --> 35:12.480 I mean, technically, we're not guaranteed we're going to be live all the time. 35:12.480 --> 35:20.280 So, you know, Monday afternoon, I mean, if you really, if you're gambling on the fact that we're going to be live, e-mail us Tuesday morning. 35:20.900 --> 35:23.400 Speaking of the way, do we have anybody taking calls today, or? 35:24.280 --> 35:26.500 Actually, I don't think we have anyone taking calls. 35:26.760 --> 35:27.240 Oh, okay. 35:28.120 --> 35:28.500 Oh, well. 35:28.900 --> 35:30.300 Well, live stands for the call. 35:30.660 --> 35:35.020 If you want to try to call in, then maybe Strom can answer you, and get 888-9-BINREV. 35:35.080 --> 35:36.200 We never actually announced a number. 35:36.880 --> 35:39.800 And our British number, I'm assuming, is still not working. 35:39.880 --> 35:41.220 I need to actually e-mail that guy. 35:41.220 --> 35:43.500 Well, maybe you get a German number. 35:43.980 --> 35:45.260 Maybe the German guy is up again. 35:46.140 --> 35:47.020 Oh, German person. 35:47.620 --> 35:51.700 You know, if you're actually on the air and listening to us, get some rest. 35:52.060 --> 35:53.220 You know, sleep, it does a lot of good. 35:55.000 --> 35:55.600 All right. 35:55.860 --> 35:56.640 Show and tell. 35:58.000 --> 35:59.700 Strom, we know what the hell you've been doing. 35:59.840 --> 36:03.340 You've been, you know, making videos and all that stuff. 36:03.340 --> 36:07.860 Yeah, I went down to San Diego and made a video of hacking Kinkos. 36:08.800 --> 36:10.640 And now that's bloody all over the place. 36:10.640 --> 36:16.360 It had, as of, I think, yesterday or something, 60,000 people had looked at it. 36:18.500 --> 36:21.260 Or it had been downloaded 60,000 times. 36:21.380 --> 36:24.280 I'm sure it's circulating around more than that. 36:24.420 --> 36:25.540 So let's call it 100,000. 36:26.200 --> 36:29.420 I actually put that article in my zine for Wicked Radio. 36:30.420 --> 36:30.780 Cool. 36:31.920 --> 36:32.180 Hmm. 36:32.640 --> 36:32.900 Yeah. 36:33.100 --> 36:33.740 I don't know. 36:33.860 --> 36:35.680 This is all happening so quickly. 36:35.680 --> 36:37.540 I'm still not quite sure what the hell's going on. 36:38.280 --> 36:40.440 Are men flinging their underwear at you? 36:40.520 --> 36:43.360 I was going to say women flinging their panties, but that really wouldn't be applicable to you. 36:43.860 --> 36:44.020 Hmm. 36:44.260 --> 36:46.740 Well, no, I mean, women will flick their panties. 36:47.100 --> 36:52.040 And men, I'm not going to object if underwear gets thrown at me, regardless of what sex it comes from. 36:52.040 --> 36:58.020 Um, but, no, no, no one's flinging underwear at me quite yet. 36:58.080 --> 37:01.400 Although I'm going to wait until the cons to see what happens there. 37:02.320 --> 37:02.500 Hmm. 37:02.500 --> 37:09.880 Um, have you been doing anything else besides basking your newfound Kinko's Hacking Glory? 37:10.220 --> 37:13.600 Um, well, I've been kind of trying to follow it and see how it's developing, because, you know, 37:13.660 --> 37:20.220 it's kind of a unique opportunity when you're generating a story to see how it develops 37:20.220 --> 37:24.140 and see who picks it up and where it shows up. 37:24.200 --> 37:25.660 But other than that, not really. 37:25.740 --> 37:26.480 I went to Vegas. 37:27.100 --> 37:29.920 I just came back this afternoon, which is why I'm kind of out of it. 37:29.920 --> 37:37.060 And, um, that's pretty much what's been occupying all my attention for the last week. 37:37.420 --> 37:42.360 So, the reason why you're in Vegas, I mean, is that the reason why the archives haven't been updated? 37:42.840 --> 37:44.300 Why, yes, that is. 37:44.380 --> 37:45.020 Thank you again. 37:45.260 --> 37:45.440 Oh! 37:45.640 --> 37:47.780 I told you to piss off before the start of the show. 37:49.180 --> 37:53.620 Oh, you can tell me how to piss off in front of everybody, and I can tell everyone to annoy you. 37:54.360 --> 37:54.760 Yes. 37:55.360 --> 37:57.940 Sorry, terribly sorry about the archives not being updated. 37:57.940 --> 37:59.900 I have been incredibly busy. 38:01.020 --> 38:03.420 Seriously, we need to, like, automate, like, a cron job or something. 38:03.540 --> 38:04.580 Yeah, I do, I do. 38:04.680 --> 38:12.200 I mean, it's just a matter of really, we really need to just produce the show in a format that can be uploaded immediately as is, 38:12.780 --> 38:16.240 without having to go back and remix and put in higher quality music and everything. 38:17.120 --> 38:19.440 So, if any of you, I'll just put this out there now. 38:19.440 --> 38:28.200 If any of you have any experience with some sort of software that can let Ratchet and myself talk into microphones, 38:28.720 --> 38:30.440 what's so funny? 38:31.760 --> 38:33.420 You talk to me after the show. 38:34.240 --> 38:34.520 Okay. 38:34.920 --> 38:35.920 That's all I got to say. 38:36.380 --> 38:36.680 Okay. 38:36.680 --> 38:40.260 Well, I'll put this out there on the off chance that you don't work out. 38:41.040 --> 38:41.840 Yeah, do that. 38:41.860 --> 38:46.560 If any of you have experience with software that would let us stream live, talk into microphones, 38:46.740 --> 38:52.700 and not have significant lag between each other when we're talking because we are on opposite coasts of the continent, 38:53.560 --> 38:58.580 send me an email, stromcarlson.gmail.com, or mail the show, radiobinrev.com. 38:59.580 --> 39:00.280 Or mail me. 39:00.600 --> 39:00.780 Yeah. 39:00.820 --> 39:02.420 Or mail Stank. 39:02.800 --> 39:04.060 But Stank really wouldn't help you. 39:04.060 --> 39:07.620 Or you could mail Google, but they really won't do much for you. 39:08.360 --> 39:09.220 They might post it. 39:09.700 --> 39:09.900 Yeah. 39:11.660 --> 39:13.100 They might make Google Radio. 39:14.280 --> 39:16.280 Steel Zero's Web Song. 39:17.320 --> 39:18.380 Yeah, that'd be crazy. 39:18.960 --> 39:19.280 Anyway. 39:21.780 --> 39:26.560 Gashi, have you been having any fun hacking stories you'd like to share with us? 39:26.940 --> 39:27.820 I have a few really good. 39:27.820 --> 39:29.060 I guess you could call it hacking. 39:29.060 --> 39:32.120 I've been messing with this new software for my radio station. 39:32.120 --> 39:34.360 I think that can control my hardware. 39:34.740 --> 39:39.960 But it's like a butchered version of Delphi for their scripting language. 39:40.080 --> 39:43.260 So I've been like really messing the last couple of weeks with that. 39:43.340 --> 39:48.040 So that's why a lot of stuff hasn't been getting done lately with the new station schedule. 39:48.720 --> 39:50.620 So I apologize to people for that. 39:50.620 --> 39:53.620 But basically just trying to learn this Delphi. 39:54.620 --> 39:58.140 Actually, we've been messing with all the print servers where I go to school. 39:58.300 --> 40:00.420 There's about 3,000 print servers. 40:01.680 --> 40:05.020 And it's kind of fun because they all have the default settings for everything. 40:05.180 --> 40:06.540 So I guess you really couldn't call it a hack. 40:06.600 --> 40:07.360 It's just stupidity. 40:07.580 --> 40:09.960 But that's what I've been up to. 40:11.280 --> 40:11.520 Hmm. 40:12.100 --> 40:12.780 Kind of short. 40:12.840 --> 40:14.940 So, I mean, what are we talking about stupidity here? 40:15.340 --> 40:17.620 Are we talking about your stupidity or the... 40:18.120 --> 40:19.040 No, there's stupidity. 40:19.040 --> 40:19.800 Oh, okay. 40:20.320 --> 40:21.940 There's stupidity in my boredom. 40:22.820 --> 40:23.700 Oh, I mean, that's... 40:23.700 --> 40:25.280 My professor challenging me. 40:26.400 --> 40:28.380 What, your professor challenged you to... 40:28.380 --> 40:29.420 You know, he came up and said, 40:29.860 --> 40:31.660 Dude, hack the prints over. 40:31.900 --> 40:33.000 Okay, I'll put it this way. 40:33.060 --> 40:34.140 I've been doing like PC... 40:34.140 --> 40:36.540 I'm just going to the college for PC repair. 40:37.500 --> 40:40.300 And I've been doing this like already for the last 10 years solid. 40:40.520 --> 40:43.200 And I got 20 years experience with messing with PCs. 40:44.260 --> 40:45.180 So I get in there. 40:45.240 --> 40:47.380 This guy's fresh out of school. 40:47.380 --> 40:49.440 He's got his master's degree in like teaching. 40:49.640 --> 40:50.740 Nothing computer related. 40:52.200 --> 40:53.040 He tried to get... 40:53.040 --> 40:56.380 He had to set up troubleshooting and diagnostics for us last week. 40:56.700 --> 41:00.860 And they break your computer and you've got to fix it with no resources other than your head. 41:01.840 --> 41:03.680 And I kept getting it all and getting it all. 41:03.760 --> 41:06.100 Finally, he's like, well, I guess there's nothing you can't do. 41:06.160 --> 41:09.740 He's like, well, why don't you see if you can make this print without having access to it? 41:09.740 --> 41:12.880 And so he removed me... 41:12.880 --> 41:16.700 He removed it as being a shared printer on the network and I was still able to make it print. 41:16.800 --> 41:17.740 He thought that was pretty neat. 41:17.880 --> 41:19.300 Gave me extra credit for it, actually. 41:20.200 --> 41:20.920 Well, hot damn. 41:21.220 --> 41:22.200 What school is this? 41:22.360 --> 41:23.340 Plug this up. 41:23.440 --> 41:26.060 Black Hawk Technical College in southern Wisconsin. 41:26.240 --> 41:27.600 It's actually a really neat school. 41:29.080 --> 41:31.160 Well, it sounds like the staff at least have the right attitude. 41:32.120 --> 41:32.440 Oh, yeah. 41:32.700 --> 41:34.620 You never have to have lectures or anything. 41:34.740 --> 41:36.280 It's a self-taught class, basically. 41:36.860 --> 41:38.820 He won't even tell you what work you have to get done. 41:38.900 --> 41:42.200 It's your responsibility to check the website to see where you're at and stuff. 41:43.080 --> 41:43.260 Hmm. 41:44.440 --> 41:46.520 And they let you hack-soar the print servers if you're good. 41:47.600 --> 41:48.040 That's... 41:48.040 --> 41:48.400 Hey, yeah. 41:49.320 --> 41:51.480 Or if you have the default passwords. 41:54.620 --> 41:57.180 All the list of the default passwords, they always come in handy. 41:57.600 --> 41:58.020 Yeah, they do. 41:58.020 --> 42:01.020 I can't tell you how many times I've been at like some client site 42:01.020 --> 42:05.460 when they say, I'm trying to get into their Linksys box or their D-Link 42:05.460 --> 42:08.140 or whatever their little, you know, cheapo router is. 42:08.240 --> 42:09.900 And I say, hey, what's the password for this? 42:09.920 --> 42:11.880 And they said, I don't know. 42:12.020 --> 42:14.220 And I'm just like, uh... 42:14.220 --> 42:15.960 So I'm like, you know, admin, admin. 42:16.800 --> 42:17.680 Admin password. 42:18.120 --> 42:18.440 Admin... 42:18.440 --> 42:19.460 All right, there we go. 42:20.260 --> 42:21.980 Oh, I've got a better story than that. 42:22.620 --> 42:23.680 Admin and then no. 42:24.700 --> 42:25.400 Yeah, I've got... 42:25.400 --> 42:27.180 What was the idea of the origin? 42:27.180 --> 42:30.140 It was like, you know, you're trying to break into the Pentagon in the movies 42:30.140 --> 42:31.860 and you're like, you know, you get the login screen. 42:32.100 --> 42:34.120 50 million possible words. 42:34.220 --> 42:35.700 And you just type in Jeff and you get in. 42:35.780 --> 42:37.860 And you're like, oh, well, because the admin is Jeff. 42:38.600 --> 42:40.020 It's in the back door. 42:41.920 --> 42:45.360 Seriously, if anyone has a chance to listen to the Eddie Izzard of Just Like About Computers, 42:45.480 --> 42:47.420 it's absolutely hilarious. 42:48.300 --> 42:51.580 I ran into a company once where everybody's password was 12345. 42:52.520 --> 42:53.260 Oh, great. 42:54.840 --> 42:56.040 Hey, that's my luggage password. 42:56.480 --> 42:57.420 I know, that's what I said. 42:57.480 --> 42:58.160 I said, that's amazing. 42:58.160 --> 42:59.620 I've got the same combination on my luggage. 43:01.420 --> 43:03.420 It's like some type of combination that I'm kidding. 43:04.380 --> 43:06.740 I tie a piece of rope around a duffel bag. 43:08.860 --> 43:09.500 That works. 43:09.640 --> 43:13.380 And what you should do is you should make the sailor's knot rather than the square knot. 43:13.600 --> 43:17.300 So if someone removes a knot on your bag, you know, you can tell someone... 43:17.300 --> 43:17.780 I just throw the rope around it. 43:17.800 --> 43:18.800 I don't tie it or nothing. 43:18.940 --> 43:19.240 I can't. 43:19.260 --> 43:20.200 I'm not that advanced. 43:21.700 --> 43:24.860 He can hack print servers, but he can't tie his own shoes. 43:26.340 --> 43:27.320 Yeah, they're Velcro. 43:27.320 --> 43:28.460 All right. 43:29.020 --> 43:29.880 Definitely Velcro. 43:30.000 --> 43:30.640 Definitely Velcro. 43:30.760 --> 43:31.420 Not laces. 43:31.580 --> 43:32.220 Definitely Velcro. 43:33.380 --> 43:35.140 Dude, Velcro stuff rot. 43:35.220 --> 43:39.640 I remember being like, you know, 10, and like my parents wanted me to tie my shoes, and 43:39.640 --> 43:40.620 I'm just like, screw that. 43:40.660 --> 43:41.440 I want Velcro. 43:42.280 --> 43:43.600 It was just so much easier. 43:45.480 --> 43:46.540 Yeah, Velcro was awesome. 43:46.540 --> 43:54.160 And then the teacher said, sorry, you know, sorry, you're so-and-so, your son's developmentally 43:54.160 --> 43:56.260 disordered, disabled, or whatever it is. 43:56.260 --> 44:04.260 Yeah, these days I just have to slip on shoes, and I skip the whole leases and Velcro thing 44:04.260 --> 44:04.640 altogether. 44:05.780 --> 44:08.740 I actually bought a very comfortable pair of shoes. 44:08.980 --> 44:11.060 They're tying, but they're just absolutely amazing. 44:12.260 --> 44:13.400 I'm not going to plug them on here. 44:13.480 --> 44:13.780 Never mind. 44:13.860 --> 44:14.560 We're talking about shoes. 44:14.680 --> 44:15.520 What the hell's up with this? 44:15.740 --> 44:18.540 I'm actually wearing a pair of boots that are about 10 years old. 44:18.540 --> 44:25.920 Well, I do have my work boots, which are quite literally like, yeah, probably about 10 years 44:25.920 --> 44:30.840 old, and they basically get put on when it snows out, and I need to walk someplace. 44:31.120 --> 44:32.020 That's about it. 44:34.780 --> 44:37.040 For me, I don't know what I've been doing lately. 44:37.480 --> 44:38.960 I've been just doing a lot of work. 44:39.120 --> 44:43.940 Work's probably, you know, I've been kicking my butt lately, and I've had like, about a 44:43.940 --> 44:48.040 couple weeks ago, I've had like all kinds of free time, and I was waiting on other people 44:48.040 --> 44:52.600 to do stuff so I could like, you know, goof off a little and do side projects and, you 44:52.600 --> 44:58.820 know, just pick up on my reading and, you know, just do like pet projects, which I, basically, 44:59.100 --> 45:02.980 they're nothing that, you know, really helps work besides that I'm learning the language 45:02.980 --> 45:06.220 and I can find out how to do all this neat crap. 45:07.040 --> 45:09.060 But, yeah, that's gone away now. 45:09.100 --> 45:12.220 I'm actually doing real work, and I have actually all these pet projects that I want 45:12.220 --> 45:13.600 to do, but I can't anymore, so. 45:14.540 --> 45:15.780 Oh, well, this is my life. 45:18.040 --> 45:21.560 Um, so, our main topic for the evening. 45:22.540 --> 45:22.700 Yes. 45:22.860 --> 45:23.480 Dun-dun-dun. 45:24.060 --> 45:24.820 Dun-dun-dun. 45:24.900 --> 45:25.660 Dun-dun-dun. 45:25.660 --> 45:25.820 Dun-dun-dun. 45:26.120 --> 45:27.400 We already wore that joke out. 45:27.500 --> 45:28.060 We can't do that anymore. 45:28.060 --> 45:28.540 Get on the tiffany, kids. 45:28.700 --> 45:30.860 It's, um, pirate radio. 45:31.560 --> 45:32.600 What the hell is that? 45:33.160 --> 45:35.940 Yeah, oh, God, God, I hope you know, because I sure as hell don't. 45:36.500 --> 45:37.440 Oh, my God. 45:37.480 --> 45:38.960 We're talking about pirate radio? 45:39.620 --> 45:42.540 Like, the kind of stuff where you're taking over airwaves? 45:42.800 --> 45:43.080 Yar! 45:43.080 --> 45:46.600 No, I always thought it was pirate radio. 45:46.800 --> 45:50.260 I thought you were, like, stealing radios or something, because that's, I mean, pirating, 45:50.260 --> 45:53.120 uh, pirating MP3s, that means you're stealing music. 45:53.880 --> 45:55.960 I thought it was a radio wearing an eyepatch. 45:56.680 --> 45:59.760 Well, dang it, I guess I can't do this show, because these notes in front of me are about 45:59.760 --> 46:01.040 how to steal music, so. 46:01.620 --> 46:01.980 No. 46:01.980 --> 46:10.340 All right, so, like we put in the beginning of the show, the pirate radio, you know, 46:10.380 --> 46:13.200 Evil Deshi apparently runs his own pirate radio station. 46:13.340 --> 46:17.000 Like, what do you want to, are you okay with, like, you know, dropping ducks here? 46:17.240 --> 46:18.880 Like, you know, what their show is? 46:19.000 --> 46:19.840 No problem with it. 46:19.940 --> 46:22.400 Local newspapers are doing stories on the snow. 46:23.040 --> 46:27.700 So I have no problem with my, with, uh, the docks of me and the station being out there. 46:27.780 --> 46:29.780 Okay, so it's Wicked Radio, right? 46:30.320 --> 46:30.860 That's right. 46:30.860 --> 46:32.740 K-I-L-L, Death Valley. 46:34.640 --> 46:35.120 No. 46:36.000 --> 46:37.840 Um, Wicked Radio, W-I-K-D. 46:38.500 --> 46:38.780 Yep. 46:39.520 --> 46:42.460 And, and, where, where, where in Wisconsin, like, southern Wisconsin? 46:42.620 --> 46:44.300 I don't, I don't assume you can pick yourself. 46:45.280 --> 46:49.480 It's a little tiny crapshoot town called Edgerton, about 5,000 people. 46:49.660 --> 46:51.400 That's how we get away with it for so long. 46:52.160 --> 46:53.900 It's just a little tiny place. 46:53.940 --> 46:55.500 I've only actually been here for, like, two years. 46:55.600 --> 46:59.860 This will be going on the third year, but southern Wisconsin right near the border of Illinois. 47:00.860 --> 47:01.920 All right. 47:02.520 --> 47:03.440 So, okay. 47:03.620 --> 47:08.200 So, for those of you, I mean, I'm familiar with it, but I'm not sure about how many other people are. 47:08.680 --> 47:10.740 What, what is Pirate Radio? 47:10.740 --> 47:10.860 Yeah. 47:11.300 --> 47:13.560 Pirate Radio is, it's taking over. 47:13.860 --> 47:17.360 It's, it's bringing some of our freedoms back to us as general public. 47:17.580 --> 47:26.680 And you transmit a signal of whatever you want on, out into the air, on FM or AM or whatever, you know, band you want. 47:26.680 --> 47:32.780 And with the sole intent of wanting people to hear it, you know, the general public. 47:33.480 --> 47:35.140 The FCC doesn't want that. 47:35.220 --> 47:36.800 So, that's why it's called Pirate Radio. 47:38.880 --> 47:39.560 Arr. 47:39.780 --> 47:43.460 So, it's basically, you kind of go, neener, neener, neener, at the FCC. 47:44.300 --> 47:48.580 It's like kind of saying, yeah, I'm better than you are, and I can do this on my own. 47:48.580 --> 47:51.000 Well, I mean, that's what it is. 47:51.080 --> 48:03.160 Basically, what the, what the major difference between you as a broadcaster and, say, KNX or, but it was, yeah, KNX in Los Angeles is that KNX pays about $10,000 for their license. 48:03.760 --> 48:06.300 Or, if, yeah, more than that probably now. 48:06.300 --> 48:10.620 It's like $500,000, bare minimum, just in the closet. 48:12.340 --> 48:15.120 And, and how much have you paid for your license there, Deshi? 48:15.640 --> 48:18.740 I've paid absolutely $0 for my license. 48:19.200 --> 48:20.620 Oh, because you don't have one. 48:21.540 --> 48:22.300 That is correct. 48:23.200 --> 48:23.500 Yes. 48:23.620 --> 48:24.220 Okay, so. 48:24.820 --> 48:27.040 It is impossible for us to get a license, actually. 48:27.220 --> 48:28.620 We'll get into that a little bit later. 48:29.320 --> 48:31.340 Oh, well, that's actually kind of interesting. 48:31.800 --> 48:35.320 Okay, so, Wicked Radio, you mentioned like two years. 48:35.360 --> 48:36.280 That's how long you've been around? 48:36.640 --> 48:39.180 Well, that's how long we've been around in the town we're currently in. 48:39.300 --> 48:41.860 We've been actually broadcasting on the air since 1989. 48:42.960 --> 48:43.160 Whoa. 48:43.160 --> 48:44.960 My dad got me started in this. 48:45.020 --> 48:46.200 He originally started it. 48:47.440 --> 48:49.480 And that's where we're going from there. 48:50.160 --> 48:53.200 In about 1991, I took over Control. 48:53.900 --> 48:57.320 And ever since then, it's been, it's been lots of different names. 48:57.440 --> 48:59.440 But for the last six years, it's been Wicked Radio. 49:00.060 --> 49:03.380 We integrated with the Internet about three years ago now. 49:03.960 --> 49:05.740 And it's been working out pretty good for us. 49:06.680 --> 49:07.640 Yeah, that's pretty good. 49:07.640 --> 49:11.060 And now, it's like, I think we mentioned the website, wickedradio.org. 49:11.640 --> 49:12.400 Yep, that's right. 49:12.400 --> 49:15.760 And you can, it's, you have a stream, correct? 49:16.380 --> 49:16.720 Oh, yeah. 49:17.060 --> 49:19.200 There's two streams right now. 49:19.260 --> 49:22.380 One's just Wicked Metal, which we've got voting going. 49:22.520 --> 49:24.340 So if you like metal music, get up there and vote. 49:25.000 --> 49:29.560 Keep metal on Wicked Radio on our main stream and on our FM stream. 49:30.660 --> 49:34.440 Everything you hear that's on the Internet, on Wicked Radio, on that stream, 49:34.540 --> 49:37.440 there's two of them for low bandwidth and high bandwidth. 49:37.440 --> 49:41.740 And everything you hear on there is exactly what's on the FM radio here. 49:42.400 --> 49:47.720 So sometimes you'll hear static and stuff coming through because the way we have the audio feed set up coming back into the board. 49:47.840 --> 49:49.120 So sometimes you're going to hear static. 49:49.440 --> 49:54.000 But that's just from, like, our low-pass filters having problems. 49:54.340 --> 49:55.900 So I apologize for that. 49:55.900 --> 49:58.560 Oh, we forgive you. 49:59.860 --> 50:03.420 And we're actually, we're on Wicked Radio right now, correct? 50:03.980 --> 50:04.940 Yep, we are live. 50:05.580 --> 50:05.620 You're alive. 50:05.620 --> 50:08.320 I don't know about how many people are listening, you know, out there. 50:08.400 --> 50:10.160 I don't have statistics on FM feed. 50:10.300 --> 50:10.620 Well, yeah. 50:11.120 --> 50:14.600 Three people are currently listening, two that are wearing pants. 50:15.020 --> 50:15.860 One is a cow. 50:16.860 --> 50:17.020 Yeah. 50:17.020 --> 50:18.280 Well, I'm not wearing any pants. 50:18.420 --> 50:20.040 I never wear pants on Wicked Radio. 50:20.880 --> 50:21.600 Wicked Radio. 50:21.800 --> 50:22.440 Pantless Radio. 50:22.800 --> 50:24.940 That would be a pretty good name for a radio station, Pantless Radio. 50:25.180 --> 50:25.780 That sounds hot. 50:25.780 --> 50:26.100 All right. 50:26.260 --> 50:27.620 Radio without pants. 50:29.160 --> 50:32.320 Then you could play Men Without Hats all day, and then it would just complete the circle. 50:32.900 --> 50:35.300 Well, the only time I actually have to get dressed is when I go to college 50:35.300 --> 50:39.800 because other than that, I work out of my house, and I live out of my house, obviously, 50:39.800 --> 50:41.060 so I'm always here. 50:41.060 --> 50:52.560 Okay, so now apparently there's some questions about whether or not you actually need a license 50:52.560 --> 50:59.540 to broadcast because there's, like, all this fun stuff with FCC rules and Part 15, and yeah. 51:00.320 --> 51:04.240 Now, would you like to explain to us about Part 15 and all that wonderful, glorious stuff 51:04.240 --> 51:06.720 that the FCC doesn't want us to know? 51:07.400 --> 51:08.160 Yeah, no problem. 51:08.160 --> 51:14.840 See, the FCC has got this interesting little section in their regulations about FM radiators. 51:15.840 --> 51:16.340 It's funny. 51:16.440 --> 51:20.520 There's a whole different set of sections if you want to go through single sideband and AM, 51:20.660 --> 51:21.960 but we're dealing with FM today. 51:22.840 --> 51:27.580 And a lot of people think that just because you build all the stuff yourself, 51:27.580 --> 51:35.940 you're totally in the clear because there is a section that's, like, 15.23 about home-built devices 51:35.940 --> 51:39.760 and how they're not regulated, but there's still regulations here. 51:39.960 --> 51:41.160 It might be a little easier. 51:41.260 --> 51:46.880 I'll kind of skim through the notes here because otherwise it could take me a day to get through all of this. 51:46.880 --> 51:53.080 So it says that although, well, I'll back up a little bit here. 51:53.600 --> 51:56.480 There are a lot of urban myths about Part 15 rules and devices. 51:57.060 --> 52:01.260 The first is that their signal levels are very small and is likely, 52:01.480 --> 52:03.280 but will not cause harmful interference. 52:03.280 --> 52:10.460 What the mean is, like, video game controllers, a television reception that fall under Section 15. 52:10.460 --> 52:14.040 So you could even use, like, your iPod FM transmitter. 52:14.180 --> 52:17.440 That's a Section 15 device. 52:18.480 --> 52:25.440 Although this is true, in most cases, radiated emission levels in Part 15 were designed to protect 52:25.440 --> 52:29.440 one neighbor's television reception from another neighbor's video game. 52:30.540 --> 52:35.680 The permitted radiation levels are not enough to always protect sensitive amateur reception. 52:35.680 --> 52:41.560 As one intention, all radiators and carrier current devices are permitted a field strength 52:41.560 --> 52:45.560 of 30 microvolts per meter at 30 meters from the source. 52:46.100 --> 52:48.620 That goes into a little bit of some trigonometry here. 52:48.860 --> 52:50.240 Not everybody's going to know. 52:50.280 --> 52:52.780 So what are we talking about, like, microvolts a meter? 52:53.120 --> 52:53.780 I'm not... 52:53.780 --> 52:59.080 Okay, they're saying basically you're allowed 30 microvolts per meter at 30 meters. 52:59.080 --> 53:05.720 So when you're at 30 meters, you're averaging 30 microvolts per meter in that distance. 53:06.420 --> 53:09.500 And the microvolts is the power that you can run on it. 53:09.840 --> 53:13.380 So if you're talking microvolts, you're not even running at, like, a half an amp. 53:13.500 --> 53:15.740 You're way down there about... 53:15.740 --> 53:22.620 That's probably about, shoot, 200 milliamps, maybe even less than that. 53:22.740 --> 53:27.060 You know, that's basically, like, one of those iPod FM transmitter deals for your car. 53:27.060 --> 53:32.620 So basically, if I set up one of these, part 15, because it was like an iPod transmitter, 53:33.160 --> 53:38.540 when I get 30 meters, like, around my house, you're going to, like, really start to, like, fade off and... 53:38.540 --> 53:43.400 Yeah, once you get 30 meters, past that 30 meters, the signal's going to fade and go away. 53:44.040 --> 53:44.360 Okay. 53:44.980 --> 53:48.540 That's what they're saying is a legal part 15 device. 53:48.620 --> 53:54.300 You can build something like that and not have to go get licensed or anything. 53:54.300 --> 54:00.480 So you could initially set up a radio station for, like, pretty much your neighborhood, probably. 54:00.560 --> 54:03.980 If you had a good antenna up on your house, there's no restrictions about antennas. 54:04.060 --> 54:05.620 They just have to be under 200 feet. 54:06.120 --> 54:10.620 After that, you have to register with the FAA and the FCC because you've got to put a light up on it. 54:12.260 --> 54:17.220 So basically, yeah, you could run a legal, legitimate pirate radio station in your neighborhood, 54:17.220 --> 54:23.360 as long as you don't exceed 30 microvolts a meter, and you're okay. 54:23.900 --> 54:30.580 Which is basically about, you could probably run between 2 and 3 watts on an FM, 54:30.960 --> 54:35.940 and you'd be completely legal in, like, a small range because you're not going to go very far. 54:36.620 --> 54:36.740 Right. 54:37.280 --> 54:43.280 And for comparison, I think some of the early handheld mobile phones are, like, 3 watts. 54:44.180 --> 54:45.200 Yeah, that's a good idea. 54:45.740 --> 54:47.220 That's a good comparison, too, yeah. 54:47.960 --> 54:54.460 Even mobile phones today, like your 900 megahertz mobile phones, they're really not all that powerful. 54:54.640 --> 54:58.660 I mean, they just like to make them seem more powerful, like, oh, I've got a 2.4 gigahertz. 54:58.660 --> 55:05.380 Well, no, but, I mean, the mobile phones today operate more like at half a watt or one watt or something like that, right? 55:05.380 --> 55:15.800 Yeah, they're at a lot more power today than, yeah, the original one couldn't go more than, like, maybe, you know, 100 feet from your base. 55:16.480 --> 55:20.940 No, no, I'm talking about cell phone, mobile phones, not cordless phones. 55:20.940 --> 55:21.940 Oh, cell phone, like cordless. 55:22.120 --> 55:24.140 No, no, no, no, I'm talking about mobile phones. 55:24.240 --> 55:25.100 I'm talking about, you know. 55:25.120 --> 55:26.220 Okay, I see what you're talking about. 55:26.240 --> 55:30.920 Actually, yeah, those work off about 3 watts, between 1 and 3 watts. 55:30.920 --> 55:37.340 I'm not an expert on cellular technology, but it would probably be around that. 55:40.680 --> 55:45.060 Yeah, I understand that, like, something along the lines of the original car phones are, like, 5 watts. 55:45.660 --> 55:52.420 The handheld models were 3 watts, and now the little tiny digital ones that you get are perhaps 1 to 1.5 watts. 55:52.820 --> 55:53.940 Yeah, that could be right. 55:54.060 --> 55:57.180 I mean, like I said, I'm not any expert with cellular technology. 55:57.920 --> 56:00.340 That's a different type of radio than I'm into. 56:00.920 --> 56:01.980 Mm-hmm, all right. 56:02.680 --> 56:09.340 So, basically, you're going to think that part 15 is going to save them. 56:09.860 --> 56:15.680 Part 15.13 discusses incidental radiators. 56:16.620 --> 56:25.100 15.17, susceptibility to interference in sections from authorization of unintentional radiators. 56:25.100 --> 56:27.360 Something unintentional would be, like, your TV. 56:27.520 --> 56:35.040 If something was wrong with your TV receiver and, for some reason, it was radiating off some kind of FM signal, 56:35.880 --> 56:37.900 the FCC would have to come and fix that. 56:37.900 --> 56:45.560 All right, and that actually happens a lot, because there's apparently a certain model of TV that does break, 56:46.160 --> 56:51.520 and it actually transmits on the international VHF distress frequency. 56:52.520 --> 56:54.300 It's happened, like, two or three times. 56:54.460 --> 56:58.380 I remember, like, off the hook usually talks about it when it does, but it's quite humorous. 56:58.540 --> 56:58.980 It's cute. 56:59.280 --> 56:59.520 Yeah. 56:59.780 --> 57:00.040 Yeah. 57:00.040 --> 57:02.080 So, I've heard a little bit about that. 57:02.180 --> 57:04.280 I haven't, like, researched that fully. 57:06.640 --> 57:09.380 Things, that's a little bit about Section 15. 57:09.660 --> 57:12.460 Like, that's the general, the gist of it. 57:12.540 --> 57:14.560 Section 15 is not going to save you. 57:15.040 --> 57:21.680 You're still, if you're over five, if you're over, actually, technically, if you're over a one watt, 57:21.680 --> 57:28.140 that you are an illegal, unlicensed pirate radio station, which is a felony, 57:28.860 --> 57:32.300 it can carry up to a year in jail and an $11,000 fine. 57:32.840 --> 57:33.440 All right. 57:33.700 --> 57:34.140 Minimum. 57:35.300 --> 57:36.460 Or both, I think. 57:36.620 --> 57:40.340 But nobody's actually ever been put in jail yet in the history of the FCC. 57:40.860 --> 57:45.000 So, what do you run at, and what ass-raping are you in danger of getting? 57:45.720 --> 57:47.180 I'm at 45 watts. 57:48.240 --> 57:48.580 Wow. 57:48.580 --> 57:52.780 And, yeah, we cover about a good 10-mile radius, 57:52.880 --> 57:57.560 because I don't have a really big, huge antenna that draws a lot of attention to my place. 57:58.440 --> 58:00.420 I run a smaller J-pole antenna. 58:00.420 --> 58:01.380 I build antennas. 58:01.540 --> 58:06.840 If anybody out there wanting to start a pirate radio wants schematics, I can draw them up really easy for you. 58:08.180 --> 58:10.100 And, yeah, 45 watts. 58:10.480 --> 58:12.380 We cover the town of Edgerton. 58:12.620 --> 58:16.960 There's a few people that claim that they've picked up our signal in, like, surrounding towns, 58:16.960 --> 58:24.420 but we're actually boosting up to 300 watts in the coming weeks so that we can cover a couple other bigger cities, 58:24.560 --> 58:29.000 since we're just getting a lot more local support and people on the Internet. 58:29.220 --> 58:32.960 I mean, it's really starting to grow on the Internet even more so than it is locally. 58:33.860 --> 58:34.020 Hmm. 58:34.020 --> 58:37.100 Sounds interesting. 58:37.820 --> 58:42.920 Look, I wouldn't be surprised if you guys got, like, at least 100 people listening to the show live right now on the stream. 58:44.340 --> 58:48.520 We should have them do something to tell us that they're listening. 58:48.860 --> 58:49.940 Yeah, maybe you can get them. 58:49.960 --> 58:51.440 Most of them are lurkers and idlers. 58:51.680 --> 58:54.060 I get – you guys get way more e-mails than I get. 58:54.140 --> 58:55.860 I get, like, one or two e-mails a month. 58:55.860 --> 58:59.380 Yeah, maybe they – 58:59.380 --> 59:06.880 Well, for those of you listening on the stream, you know, stop by the website, www.binrev, B-I-N-R-E-V, dot com, 59:07.380 --> 59:12.740 and we're all on the forums and, you know, go to the website, you know, just check us out. 59:12.800 --> 59:15.660 Hey, you know, we're a bunch of computer geeks and computer hackers, you know, check us out. 59:15.720 --> 59:16.320 We're cool. 59:17.380 --> 59:21.920 All right, I can put a link up to you guys up on Wicked Radio's site after the show. 59:21.920 --> 59:22.320 Oh, cool. 59:22.320 --> 59:32.880 Okay, so if you're over one watt, you're illegal, you're going to federal pounding in the ass prison, right, or no? 59:33.660 --> 59:34.340 Not really. 59:34.600 --> 59:39.360 I mean, there hasn't been a major incident involving pirate radio since 98 in the FCC. 59:39.740 --> 59:43.240 Stephen Dunnifer, I believe, was the last – or the only extreme one. 59:43.960 --> 59:44.860 What happened in 98? 59:45.600 --> 59:52.180 In 98 – well, there was just a few raids in 98 that resulted in some big fines. 59:52.320 --> 59:52.900 That went around. 59:53.000 --> 59:58.880 That's just the last time that there's ever been a major fine or anything big involving pirate radio. 59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.820 I mean, stations get shut down all the time. 01:00:00.900 --> 01:00:03.520 I've been raided about a dozen times since I started this. 01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:15.260 And it consists of nothing more than the FCC and maybe, just maybe, a U.S. marshal or a local officer will come with them and they ask to be let in. 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:16.560 They don't have a warrant or anything. 01:00:16.700 --> 01:00:18.280 They don't have jurisdiction over anything. 01:00:18.700 --> 01:00:22.640 The local cop is just there just in case things get rowdy and stuff. 01:00:22.640 --> 01:00:27.340 Like, a lot of assault happens when FCC agents show up. 01:00:27.700 --> 01:00:33.680 Most pirate radio station kids have an attitude problem and if they just realize how to – just let them in anyway. 01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:35.360 I mean, they're going to go get a warrant. 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.240 They're going to come back and take your crap. 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:39.240 So you might as well just let them in. 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.080 And if they're really cool about it, they're just going to slap you on the hand and say, all right, turn it off. 01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:44.100 And then they'll leave. 01:00:44.100 --> 01:00:51.220 Which has happened to me more than several times where they just tell you cease and desist and you'll be okay. 01:00:51.980 --> 01:00:56.420 I've had a few things confiscated over the years, amplifiers and transmitters. 01:00:56.660 --> 01:00:59.040 But other than that, I've never received a fine. 01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:00.480 People really don't complain. 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:10.020 I've been told that ham radio operators are the number one reason why I've gotten complaints because they just think it's – if they had to go through, maybe I see it from their shoes, 01:01:10.020 --> 01:01:15.660 they had to go through and get licensed so they can operate a ham radio that maybe I should be licensed, you know, to operate an FM station. 01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:19.060 That's where we stand on that issue. 01:01:19.980 --> 01:01:26.020 Oh, actually, I mean, I was just actually ranting about this a couple of days ago on my website. 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:30.120 It was, you know, ham radio and hacking and all their wonderful things. 01:01:30.220 --> 01:01:35.680 And the problem with ham radio is that they're just a bunch of – a lot of them are just old stochies that, you know, 01:01:35.680 --> 01:01:42.700 you know, you see the fat guy with the suspenders and the white beard and they just complain and they're sick in the bugs and they're old 01:01:42.700 --> 01:01:46.000 and they just want to watch Matlock and use their ham radio. 01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:47.340 Basically. 01:01:48.120 --> 01:01:51.900 Actually, I'm getting licensed for ham on the 25th of this month on my birthday 01:01:51.900 --> 01:02:00.120 because I have actually started talking to a lot of people on the ham locally and it's kind of cool that we can actually – 01:02:00.120 --> 01:02:03.500 did you know you can send – you can use internet over ham radio? 01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:05.600 Oh, yes, I've been doing it for years. 01:02:06.200 --> 01:02:07.140 With packet radio? 01:02:07.680 --> 01:02:08.120 Mm-hmm. 01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:09.720 Yeah, it's great. 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:14.140 Now, nobody's got a gateway repeater up around here, but I can afford to set one close up 01:02:14.140 --> 01:02:19.080 and I think it would be a really cool idea and project for us to set up as an internet gateway repeater. 01:02:19.820 --> 01:02:21.420 Anyway, that's off on another subject. 01:02:22.080 --> 01:02:26.000 Yes, we'll get you on on ham radio episode two or something. 01:02:26.700 --> 01:02:31.640 Okay, so you're running at 45 watch or you might get rated. 01:02:31.640 --> 01:02:34.020 So, I mean, is that it? 01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:39.860 I mean, basically I can go and make my own little radio station up and say 45 watch and just hope for the best? 01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:42.500 Yeah, basically that's all you've got to do. 01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:47.360 What the secret is is to find a way to get involved with your community. 01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:52.740 I mean, if your whole goal is to go out there just so you can say fuck on the radio, on air and not carry, 01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:54.900 you're going to get shut down, like, really quick. 01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.000 You know, and build everything right. 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.220 It's not that hard, actually, to sit down and really build one of these things. 01:03:01.100 --> 01:03:05.380 You know, but if you want to go out there and get music out there, maybe independent artists, 01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:09.000 and you don't want to pay RIA royalties, find people that are unsigned. 01:03:09.700 --> 01:03:10.660 Find even labels. 01:03:11.180 --> 01:03:20.440 I've got a couple of labels now for metal music that have agreed to let me use any of their artists royalty free on my station for my metal stuff. 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:27.700 So, I mean, there's a lot of stations out there, and we called up a couple of stations just yesterday or over Saturday on my show 01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:33.780 and asking them what they thought about pirate radio, and the majority said they think that there should be more of us out there. 01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:39.360 Personally, I mean, even though I'm a ham radio operator, I'm not one of those stick-in-the-muds like them, 01:03:39.700 --> 01:03:44.700 I believe that, you know, there should be more free radio. 01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:51.420 I think, you know, if you want to actually sit down, set up your little transmitter, and broadcast, you should be able to. 01:03:51.580 --> 01:03:56.320 I think it's just one of those things that, I mean, as long as you're not messing with anybody, 01:03:56.520 --> 01:04:02.080 like, for example, if you've decided to pick up a frequency that was already in use, no, you can't do that. 01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:03.940 Sorry, you lose, but at the same point. 01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:05.720 Yeah, that's different, doing that. 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:10.300 People that do that, they deserve to get shut down and deserve to have a book thrown at them for that. 01:04:10.820 --> 01:04:13.200 I would get mad, and it's funny you bring that up. 01:04:13.200 --> 01:04:14.600 So that's actually happened to me. 01:04:14.660 --> 01:04:18.280 I used to be on 90.5 until recently for many, many years. 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.360 For about seven years, I was on 90.5. 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.120 And a Christian radio station decided to use that frequency, and they moved into the area. 01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:26.420 And they're out-licensed. 01:04:26.540 --> 01:04:29.860 Well, they found out my contact information from listening to my show, 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.460 because it's all automated at night when I'm asleep. 01:04:33.140 --> 01:04:35.880 And they gave me a call and let me know, hey, we're in the area. 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:36.480 We use this. 01:04:36.540 --> 01:04:39.200 We understand your pirate radio, but could you let us have our frequency? 01:04:40.100 --> 01:04:42.000 And I was like, oh, yeah, sure, no problem, you know. 01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:42.880 A lot of them haven't. 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:47.080 I switched over to 88.9, and they never filed a complaint with the FCC against me. 01:04:48.020 --> 01:04:48.120 Wow. 01:04:48.220 --> 01:04:49.560 See, Christians are cool, folks. 01:04:50.220 --> 01:04:50.720 Some of them. 01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:53.020 Some of them. 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:54.900 Not my parents. 01:04:55.100 --> 01:04:59.600 I live with my parents right now, and they've been having to put up with this. 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.720 The media, newspapers and TV crews have been here. 01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:07.460 Because we won't let anybody down in to see our studio. 01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:09.960 That's one of our big things. 01:05:10.060 --> 01:05:11.620 There's not very many pictures on the web. 01:05:11.740 --> 01:05:14.380 There's a few of me standing by, like, the transmitters and all that stuff. 01:05:14.600 --> 01:05:19.060 But we don't like people to get an idea of how we run things, because we just integrated. 01:05:19.380 --> 01:05:21.280 We write custom software for everything. 01:05:22.420 --> 01:05:25.160 And, yeah, we're just going to keep that under wraps. 01:05:25.740 --> 01:05:26.080 All right. 01:05:26.080 --> 01:05:27.080 Okay. 01:05:27.900 --> 01:05:30.720 Well, that's pretty interesting, I've got to say. 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:41.920 I mean, I had no idea that – I mean, normally, I mean, actually, there was actually just around in my neighborhood in central Massachusetts – not central Massachusetts, in eastern Massachusetts, 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:52.840 but just outside the Boston area to this house, there was a bust of somebody who decided to run an illegal transmitter, and they got fined, like, $10,000. 01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:58.320 And I'm not sure what the – I'm not sure what the story is, to be honest with you. 01:05:58.340 --> 01:06:02.860 I just saw the notice of apparent liability in the – got forwarded to one of my scanner lists. 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:04.020 But I was like, ooh, crap. 01:06:04.100 --> 01:06:05.820 I guess they do enforce this still. 01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:12.880 But at the same point, you're coming over here and saying – yeah, you're coming over here and saying, no, they don't. 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:14.640 They just – they're rather cool about it. 01:06:14.740 --> 01:06:18.840 So I guess it depends on what part of the country you're in, too, I would assume. 01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:19.520 Yeah, it does. 01:06:19.780 --> 01:06:27.780 The West Coast is the biggest spot where you're going to – if you want to find pirate radio, I mean, if you're living in Nebraska, chances are you're not going to find a pirate station. 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:28.420 That's cool. 01:06:28.420 --> 01:06:36.700 But if you're living on the West Coast, you've got a really good chance of finding a decent station out there with either talk or radio or really good music that's alternative. 01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:38.360 That's not even the music. 01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:41.680 Sometimes you just want to hear something different on the radio or a different radio host, you know. 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:44.420 Like BinRev Radio. 01:06:46.220 --> 01:06:49.320 Actually, I mean, in New York, apparently, there's quite a few of them. 01:06:49.420 --> 01:06:51.760 I remember – I talked about Off the Hook again. 01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:55.200 Bernie S., everyone's favorite person in the whole wide world. 01:06:55.200 --> 01:07:00.180 He's into radio, and he found out that there was a pirate radio station. 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:10.600 So him and his friend got into their car, and they took their little radio equipment, and they tracked it down to where it was coming from, and they just paid a visit to the guys. 01:07:10.600 --> 01:07:18.340 And actually, the humorous part was he was wearing his 2600 shirt with, like, the eagle on it, and it looks like a federal government shirt. 01:07:19.060 --> 01:07:23.640 And all of the radio station guys, they didn't really speak English at the first language. 01:07:23.740 --> 01:07:24.880 They all thought he was a fed. 01:07:25.200 --> 01:07:27.320 So they let him in, and they were, like, all scared with him. 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:28.680 And they're like, no, no, we're cool. 01:07:28.740 --> 01:07:29.620 We just wanted to see your setup. 01:07:30.820 --> 01:07:31.760 That is great. 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:32.580 Yeah. 01:07:33.160 --> 01:07:40.200 So anyway, building these things is a little bit more simple than people might think. 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.860 Now, if you want to talk about getting nitty-gritty, you're going to be – that's like building your own transmitter. 01:07:46.220 --> 01:07:47.120 Don't even try that. 01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:57.100 If it's your first time into radio, building the whole thing, the circuit itself, is easy, but you have to build what's called an air induction coil, and that is like a mathematical science. 01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:01.080 If you have it off by a millimeter, you could really do some damage to your hardware. 01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:08.680 The best bet is to go to freeradio.org and order one of their transmitter kits on there. 01:08:08.780 --> 01:08:13.740 I mean, you could be up and running off of one little trip to that website in no time. 01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.300 Build yourself your own antenna, and you'll be off and running. 01:08:17.300 --> 01:08:21.860 And it's not that hard to integrate with – if you want to have an Internet stream side of it, too. 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:24.740 I mean, all you've got to do is just have a couple of PCs. 01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:30.080 We have three PCs that control everything about the radio station because some of it controls our hardware. 01:08:31.160 --> 01:08:31.320 Really? 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:32.440 Yeah. 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:39.780 We have a PC that controls – I have – my transmitter is a PCI card, actually, that plugs into my computer. 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:44.780 So one of my whole servers is nothing but that transmitter, and that's all that holds. 01:08:44.780 --> 01:08:52.460 And then another server is just 500 gigs of MP3s, which is like all the talk radio and stuff like that. 01:08:53.180 --> 01:08:58.640 And then another server controls the website, which has an integrated request engine that we've got, 01:08:59.240 --> 01:09:05.680 and people can select talk shows and whatever they want and just click on it, and boom, it's the next in queue. 01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:07.340 Things like that. 01:09:08.220 --> 01:09:09.220 It's kind of neat stuff. 01:09:10.300 --> 01:09:13.400 These FM listeners don't get the benefit on some of the cool things. 01:09:13.400 --> 01:09:20.760 But we actually do have a couple of bars in the area that listen to our FM over their jukebox at certain times of night. 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:22.360 That's interesting. 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.840 We've had legitimate sponsors in the past. 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:30.700 Culver's Restaurants has paid us to put commercials up for them. 01:09:31.700 --> 01:09:36.560 And this local hardware store gave us a little bit of dough to put up a couple commercials for them. 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:37.960 Hmm. 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:40.480 So it's all about how you play your cards. 01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:47.920 If you can do it with some good professionalism, like BinRev Radio, then you might be lucky. 01:09:48.060 --> 01:09:49.060 We're not professional. 01:09:49.200 --> 01:09:50.080 Who are you talking about? 01:09:50.280 --> 01:09:51.080 Professional hot! 01:09:51.080 --> 01:09:53.300 We're a lot better than some of the other shows I've heard out there. 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:57.240 You guys see, like, info not my... 01:09:57.240 --> 01:09:59.200 Hey, at least people... 01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:00.400 Hey, don't we? 01:10:00.480 --> 01:10:01.460 At least you have not too long. 01:10:01.460 --> 01:10:04.380 I said that because Droops is probably listening, so... 01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:05.260 Oh, okay, okay. 01:10:05.420 --> 01:10:06.160 I just wanted to say... 01:10:06.160 --> 01:10:06.840 I'm cool with Droops. 01:10:06.900 --> 01:10:07.400 It's all good. 01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:08.800 All right. 01:10:09.340 --> 01:10:09.480 Yeah. 01:10:09.820 --> 01:10:12.120 But no, I mean, we talk in telephones. 01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:13.100 It's not that professional. 01:10:15.100 --> 01:10:17.100 Hey, that's how I do my radio shows. 01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:24.920 I use a regular POTS line that's bridged into a voice bridge, or I use Skype, or I use Stanaphone. 01:10:25.580 --> 01:10:28.660 I've used all kinds of things to get guests and stuff on my show. 01:10:28.660 --> 01:10:33.900 So, if there's a way I will get a guest on my show, like Jason Scott should be on next weekend. 01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:37.020 That's going to be a fun show. 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:37.780 Cool. 01:10:37.780 --> 01:10:39.480 So, anyway, back to radio here. 01:10:40.440 --> 01:10:42.720 There's all kinds of different frequencies, and there's... 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:47.460 I got a few of them here I marked down that you're going to want to be aware of. 01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:50.520 And this might come in interesting if you have a scanner. 01:10:51.280 --> 01:10:53.720 You can program, I think, all of these in. 01:10:54.860 --> 01:10:57.620 Well, you're going to need a really nice scanner for some of these other ones. 01:10:58.660 --> 01:11:02.020 But all these other ones here at the beginning here, I'll just kind of go through a few. 01:11:03.660 --> 01:11:08.240 The band 160 to 190 kHz is hobbyist. 01:11:08.780 --> 01:11:12.440 140 to 150 is ham radio. 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.380 Actually, between 140 and 160. 01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:18.260 And sometimes 174. 01:11:18.460 --> 01:11:20.420 I can broadcast up into 174. 01:11:20.420 --> 01:11:22.080 That's all ham radio. 01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:30.160 450 to 470 is 70 cm ham radio. 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:33.720 And then you get into... 01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:41.340 Like, if you want to listen to a baby monitor or walkie-talkies, that's 26 to 27.28 MHz. 01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:48.000 Alarm systems are 40.66 to 40.70 MHz. 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:53.080 Cordless phones run between 43.71 to 50 MHz. 01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:58.040 And also, you can get walkie-talkies and baby monitors in that range, too, because those are old. 01:11:58.160 --> 01:12:03.200 Yeah, you'll find a lot of the older walkie-talkies and baby monitors in that frequency range. 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.340 The others are... 01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:10.940 I was going to say, does anybody still even use cordless phones that operate in that 43 to 50 MHz band? 01:12:11.140 --> 01:12:12.180 One of my neighbors does. 01:12:13.100 --> 01:12:13.860 Yeah, they still do. 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:14.840 It's very rare. 01:12:16.940 --> 01:12:20.240 It's very rare in my neighborhood, too, because this is a very upper-class neighborhood. 01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:22.160 You'd think they could afford a better phone than that. 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:23.520 Guess not. 01:12:24.780 --> 01:12:25.840 Let's see here. 01:12:29.220 --> 01:12:31.820 Biomedical telemetry on unused TVs. 01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:33.860 A lot of people don't know about this. 01:12:34.340 --> 01:12:43.560 There's 174 to 216 MHz, which is information, biomedical information that's sent through television. 01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:46.800 It's kind of estranged. 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:48.540 Yeah, that sounds interesting. 01:12:48.620 --> 01:12:50.900 It goes through unused stations that aren't in use. 01:12:53.220 --> 01:12:53.980 Let's see. 01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:56.020 People don't care about measurement systems. 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.920 There's automatic vehicle identification systems. 01:12:59.020 --> 01:12:59.860 They're always known as AVIS. 01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:02.200 I don't know if you guys have ever done a show about that or not. 01:13:02.740 --> 01:13:03.740 Can't say that I have. 01:13:04.340 --> 01:13:07.140 It's toll systems use this stuff. 01:13:07.980 --> 01:13:08.940 Oh, yes, okay. 01:13:09.180 --> 01:13:10.200 Feed pass on a left side. 01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:10.540 RFID. 01:13:11.260 --> 01:13:16.400 And that runs between 2.9 GHz and 3.6 GHz. 01:13:17.040 --> 01:13:17.440 All right. 01:13:17.440 --> 01:13:17.960 It's all AVIS. 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.640 And you can listen in if you've got a good scanner. 01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.500 And you can actually hear the data passing through the trunk line. 01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:38.560 And 10 GHz, now, the website I got my information from only says multiple Part 15 uses, but it's not actually Part 15. 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:39.560 10 GHz. 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.840 10 GHz, you'll read a lot of information about that. 01:13:42.160 --> 01:13:43.580 That's a microwave band. 01:13:44.240 --> 01:13:45.580 And that's for law enforcement. 01:13:45.820 --> 01:13:53.080 So if you listen to that, that's how the law enforcement Wi-Fi works between patrol car and their base and from car to car. 01:13:53.080 --> 01:13:55.520 It's in the 10 GHz band. 01:13:56.160 --> 01:13:57.740 Between 10 and 10.5. 01:13:59.380 --> 01:14:05.840 I know people were into hacks or radio, and we did another show about Wi-Fi. 01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:07.860 Well, you're going to need a pretty good scanner to pick that up regardless. 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:11.860 Well, not really. 01:14:11.980 --> 01:14:12.960 You can get some scanners. 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.560 RadioShack has a couple models, I think, that go up to 20 GHz. 01:14:17.120 --> 01:14:19.000 But you're going to be shelling out some dough for that. 01:14:19.940 --> 01:14:20.400 All right. 01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:22.120 I've got some new ones. 01:14:22.820 --> 01:14:29.020 Maybe, I guess, if people go to Wicked Radio and over to our zine, I'm going to be posting a bunch of frequencies. 01:14:29.500 --> 01:14:33.680 And we've got the ones, I just didn't put them on this list, of the International Space Station. 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:38.980 And you can actually broadcast, and you don't need a license because it's out in outer space. 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:41.740 And you can transmit on ham radio. 01:14:42.160 --> 01:14:43.980 I'll get the exact frequency and post it. 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:50.100 And you can talk to the International Space Station between four and six minutes as they pass overhead. 01:14:50.580 --> 01:14:53.840 After about that, it's about the only time you have, and then it's just out of range. 01:14:54.360 --> 01:14:54.500 Yeah. 01:14:54.660 --> 01:14:58.340 And we talked about, basically, for those of you paying attention a couple weeks ago, 01:14:58.420 --> 01:15:02.120 when I was talking about suit set and all that stuff, that's basically the same concept, 01:15:02.120 --> 01:15:04.600 except it's an actual space station rather than a space suit. 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:07.400 Okay. 01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.120 So, you had a couple of websites here. 01:15:10.860 --> 01:15:11.240 Oh, yeah. 01:15:11.240 --> 01:15:15.120 You have the Association of Clandestine Enthusiasts. 01:15:15.740 --> 01:15:17.660 Are you a clandestine radio station? 01:15:18.220 --> 01:15:18.920 Yes, I am. 01:15:19.220 --> 01:15:24.740 Clandestine means anything that's, like, underground and, like, illicit, basically. 01:15:24.740 --> 01:15:25.920 I don't know. 01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:29.940 I always thought the clandestine stations were, like, you know, I mean, like, back in, like, 01:15:30.020 --> 01:15:34.840 the late 80s, early 90s, when you had all these, like, you know, communist republics out there. 01:15:34.900 --> 01:15:35.520 Like, the radio Caroline and stuff. 01:15:36.020 --> 01:15:37.340 Yeah, that kind of stuff, too, yeah. 01:15:39.120 --> 01:15:41.540 Or, like, B93 FM in Croatia. 01:15:41.740 --> 01:15:45.740 We started on single sideband on shortwave radio. 01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.620 So that's about how old we are. 01:15:48.620 --> 01:15:51.000 I remember listening to that. 01:15:51.200 --> 01:15:57.100 I picked up, I only actually picked up one pirate radio station for, like, a half hour. 01:15:57.720 --> 01:15:59.500 And I was just absolutely thrilled. 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:01.560 And they sent me a little QSL card. 01:16:01.720 --> 01:16:03.300 And for those of you who don't know what a QSL card is, 01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:05.520 pay attention to our ham radio episode. 01:16:06.540 --> 01:16:06.780 Yeah. 01:16:07.020 --> 01:16:09.100 And I still have it to this day, actually. 01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:12.400 I have my QSL card from K2000 Radio. 01:16:13.200 --> 01:16:14.200 That is awesome. 01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:16.640 Yeah, I've learned the distance on that. 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:21.260 You didn't, because it was the sideband, you never really knew where they were. 01:16:21.400 --> 01:16:26.040 I mean, I think the mail drop was actually in Massachusetts. 01:16:26.400 --> 01:16:29.400 But you don't know where the mail drop actually is going to. 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:31.720 That's strange. 01:16:31.980 --> 01:16:34.460 Yeah, that's cool when you get a QSL like that. 01:16:34.860 --> 01:16:35.140 Yeah. 01:16:36.540 --> 01:16:41.600 Yeah, for more information on ACE, you can go to fm.net slash ACE, A-C-E. 01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:45.060 And then we have the Free Radio Network. 01:16:46.260 --> 01:16:48.280 And you can go to frn.net. 01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:55.280 The Free Radio Network is a network of, it's got, like, a huge database listing of pirate stations 01:16:55.280 --> 01:17:00.920 and mostly links to other pirate radio or amateur radio organizations. 01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:09.120 And if you want to know more about legal amateur radio, which I am also into, I'm not just into stealing the regular airwaves, 01:17:09.620 --> 01:17:13.460 go to ARRL.org, which is the amateur radio homepage. 01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:18.420 They've got some neat practice tests you can take on QRZ.com. 01:17:18.420 --> 01:17:25.540 And find out if you've got what it takes to be a licensed amateur radio operator. 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:33.920 Well, also, I mean, just to toss this out here, I mean, you didn't really mention it at all. 01:17:34.020 --> 01:17:39.440 And I'm not 100% sure what exactly the requirements are. 01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:43.140 But there's also, you know, legal radio stations. 01:17:43.240 --> 01:17:47.520 There's a low-power FM broadcast, which is a relatively new thing. 01:17:47.740 --> 01:17:48.680 That's gone now? 01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:51.560 Yeah, that's why I didn't really bring it up too much. 01:17:53.260 --> 01:17:56.640 Powell decided, no, we're not going to license anymore. 01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:01.560 So if you were one of the lucky ones that got in and got licensed under 100 watts for LPFM, 01:18:02.300 --> 01:18:03.280 Godspeed to you. 01:18:03.500 --> 01:18:04.580 You are the lucky bastards. 01:18:04.780 --> 01:18:05.620 I got cut off. 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:12.320 That's why I said we can never be legally licensed unless we were above 100 watts 01:18:12.320 --> 01:18:17.280 and then we'd need a commercial radio station license, which would run us $500,000. 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:20.120 As a deposit down for radio broadcast engineers. 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:26.200 And then about another $20,000 to $20,000 in fee applications and all that stuff. 01:18:26.620 --> 01:18:31.840 And then about maybe a quarter million dollars for all the required hardware you would need. 01:18:32.980 --> 01:18:33.380 Yeah. 01:18:33.480 --> 01:18:37.580 You have it rigged up so that you've got to be a corporate entity if you want to have a legitimate station 01:18:37.580 --> 01:18:42.180 or else you're going to need one hell of a huge community to sponsor you. 01:18:42.180 --> 01:18:45.860 Well, I've got to say, well, snap. 01:18:46.140 --> 01:18:47.460 I was unaware of that. 01:18:47.540 --> 01:18:48.920 I thought they were still doing that. 01:18:49.480 --> 01:18:49.700 Yeah. 01:18:49.980 --> 01:18:50.280 Crap. 01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:59.580 There is LPFM that's available, I think, between 100 and 350 for watts that might be still available, 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:01.040 but I'm not sure on that. 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:01.920 Check. 01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:07.240 FCC.gov has a whole bunch of new information that just came up on that within the last week or so. 01:19:07.240 --> 01:19:09.760 Well, if nothing else we go with. 01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:10.920 Oh, perhaps Dorm KNX. 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:12.960 Yes. 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:17.060 We're going to set up a pirate radio station and say, neener, neener, neener, screw you. 01:19:17.940 --> 01:19:18.560 All right, so. 01:19:19.080 --> 01:19:22.740 We'll set a relay, too, for our pirate radio station, if anybody's interested in setting one up. 01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:25.460 We've got a guy out in North County, Wisconsin. 01:19:25.460 --> 01:19:34.000 And he relays us on FM via our stream, and he just hooks the stream up into his FM transmitter 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.040 and relays us up there to all the lovely people camping up in Door County. 01:19:39.320 --> 01:19:40.280 Well, look at that. 01:19:40.400 --> 01:19:43.100 We have the Wicked FM radio network. 01:19:45.260 --> 01:19:45.780 Hey, you never know. 01:19:45.780 --> 01:19:48.040 How does it feel to be a conglomerate, eh? 01:19:48.460 --> 01:19:49.460 It feels good. 01:19:50.040 --> 01:19:50.540 All right. 01:19:50.540 --> 01:19:50.760 I love it. 01:19:51.940 --> 01:19:54.120 Okay, so it's wickedradio.org, right? 01:19:54.780 --> 01:19:55.880 Yep, that's the website. 01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:59.180 That's the radio website, and we're going to have to rush through the announcements. 01:19:59.540 --> 01:20:01.040 Sure, wickedradio.gmail? 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:02.540 Yep, that's right. 01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:03.560 All right. 01:20:03.780 --> 01:20:04.740 Yeah, we have five minutes. 01:20:05.500 --> 01:20:06.620 All right, so. 01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:10.940 Yep, well, I've got to say, this really opened my eyes. 01:20:11.080 --> 01:20:12.220 I did not know this. 01:20:12.460 --> 01:20:13.580 I didn't know any of them. 01:20:14.260 --> 01:20:18.120 I'd like to say that this show was brought to you by Budweiser. 01:20:21.280 --> 01:20:22.000 Screw that. 01:20:22.060 --> 01:20:23.660 This show isn't sponsored by Budweiser. 01:20:23.660 --> 01:20:24.940 Sure, I want good beer, damn it. 01:20:25.040 --> 01:20:27.200 Yeah, enough of this weak American stuff beginning with B. 01:20:27.200 --> 01:20:27.820 This is Wisconsin I live in. 01:20:27.900 --> 01:20:29.040 This is good beer here. 01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:29.740 This is liquid beer. 01:20:29.740 --> 01:20:30.340 Oh, man. 01:20:30.420 --> 01:20:30.920 No, seriously. 01:20:31.120 --> 01:20:32.540 This show is brought to you. 01:20:33.700 --> 01:20:36.600 No, this show is brought to you by Dogfish Head Ale. 01:20:37.040 --> 01:20:37.660 There we go. 01:20:38.180 --> 01:20:39.780 Dude, like, I probably couldn't even find that. 01:20:39.820 --> 01:20:43.160 If I went to the liquor store here in this backwoods town, the guy would be like, let me 01:20:43.160 --> 01:20:43.940 go get a dog. 01:20:44.660 --> 01:20:46.040 Well, seriously. 01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:50.920 You'll hopefully be at Hope, and I'll take you out for a beer. 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:52.740 Okay, well, I'll do that. 01:20:52.740 --> 01:20:53.300 I've got good beer. 01:20:53.300 --> 01:20:54.380 I'm going to have to find beer. 01:20:55.160 --> 01:20:55.640 Oh, right. 01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:56.240 My kind of guy. 01:20:56.360 --> 01:20:59.420 Anyway, not to cut you off, but we've got to rush through the announcements here. 01:20:59.440 --> 01:21:00.500 Yeah, you guys have got announcements to do. 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:00.860 Do them. 01:21:02.780 --> 01:21:03.140 Announcements. 01:21:03.480 --> 01:21:05.660 Interzone 5 is this weekend? 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:06.460 Yes, it is. 01:21:06.460 --> 01:21:14.740 That's www.interzone.com, and the O in the interzone is a zero. 01:21:16.240 --> 01:21:17.940 Stankdog's going to be there giving a speech. 01:21:19.220 --> 01:21:23.080 Mrs. Droops' husband is going to be there, along with Mrs. Droops. 01:21:26.220 --> 01:21:29.360 Logosex, I believe Zygman's actually going to be there, too. 01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:32.880 So, go, you know, meet people, have fun. 01:21:34.340 --> 01:21:36.900 It's the website, and I didn't copy and paste where it is. 01:21:36.980 --> 01:21:40.340 It's going to be the Magnolia Hotel, and wherever it is. 01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:44.080 Go to the website, interzone.com, where the O is a zero. 01:21:45.900 --> 01:21:50.860 Site of the week is tinyurl.com slash papaalpha504. 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:52.080 This is actually pretty interesting. 01:21:52.080 --> 01:21:56.200 It was still going up until about 15 minutes before the show started. 01:21:56.500 --> 01:22:02.880 A school in Canada launched a weather balloon and tracked it via GPS and amateur radio. 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:09.640 And that website is the plot of it going from about, I think it was 9 a.m. this morning, 01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:16.920 Eastern, until about 9.15 p.m. in Eastern Time. 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:25.200 And basically, it went from Midwest Canada over Ohio and, you know, went all the way down, 01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:26.740 and it crashed in Virginia. 01:22:27.780 --> 01:22:29.380 Or that's the last known whereabouts of it. 01:22:29.460 --> 01:22:30.400 It was pretty cool. 01:22:30.480 --> 01:22:31.780 It was very interesting to watch it. 01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:35.800 And I've got to say, yeah, hot damn, I want to do one of these damn things. 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:38.920 Shout! 01:22:39.220 --> 01:22:40.060 Spin Rev Balloon. 01:22:40.820 --> 01:22:41.520 Yeah, there we go. 01:22:42.100 --> 01:22:46.240 Get a little LED stand on the side of it and go take an advertising revenue away from Goodyear. 01:22:46.240 --> 01:22:47.720 Uh, Deshi, do you have shouts? 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:55.740 Um, to my guy, Hag, listening in, and to all the Hackless site people in the Bin Rev community. 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:58.600 That's about it. 01:22:59.260 --> 01:22:59.620 All right. 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:00.280 Shram, do you have shouts? 01:23:00.780 --> 01:23:01.020 Hmm. 01:23:01.400 --> 01:23:05.800 Shout to Lance James for covering my ass. 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:10.180 Lance James, bitch! 01:23:10.180 --> 01:23:18.120 I'll send shouts out to Deshi's friend in the background, who was very noisy at the beginning, 01:23:18.200 --> 01:23:20.680 but very quiet when the show actually started, so thank you for that. 01:23:21.500 --> 01:23:22.700 Yeah, he's in another room. 01:23:22.780 --> 01:23:24.380 I went out to my living room and I chilled. 01:23:24.480 --> 01:23:25.380 I printed out the notes. 01:23:26.260 --> 01:23:27.060 Oh, that's very nice. 01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:35.440 Uh, our closing music tonight is the, uh, Gran Turismo Remix Stupid Damn Vehicle by, uh, LP0. 01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:36.780 I-LP0, pardon me. 01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.440 Um, yeah, I think that's it, isn't it? 01:23:40.460 --> 01:23:40.760 Yeah. 01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:41.000 Farewell. 01:23:41.280 --> 01:23:41.880 Yeah, that's it. 01:23:42.540 --> 01:23:46.720 And so, and shouts to Deshi for coming on, and really, yeah, it was a pretty good topic. 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:51.580 We've had, like, you know, we're due for a clunker soon, because we had, like, two or three solid shows. 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:51.820 Yeah. 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:53.340 Shouts to our bovine listeners. 01:23:53.340 --> 01:23:56.060 Shouts to our bovine listeners in Wisconsin. 01:23:56.460 --> 01:23:56.820 Oh. 01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:57.120 Boo. 01:23:58.560 --> 01:23:59.640 Yeah, we'll be back. 01:24:01.900 --> 01:24:04.920 All right, so, as always, did I say email? 01:24:05.020 --> 01:24:06.600 Email is radio at binrev.com. 01:24:06.660 --> 01:24:07.940 It hasn't changed since the show started. 01:24:08.060 --> 01:24:09.840 If you don't remember it now, you know, whatever. 01:24:10.660 --> 01:24:11.760 Uh, closing music tonight. 01:24:12.240 --> 01:24:13.040 Uh, Terry did that one. 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:14.860 Uh, see you next week. 01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:16.200 Same hack time. 01:24:16.660 --> 01:24:17.320 Same hack channel. 01:24:23.340 --> 01:24:25.900 Let's find out. 01:24:25.900 --> 01:24:34.540 Uh, I got it. 01:24:34.540 --> 01:24:36.280 Thank you. 01:24:36.820 --> 01:24:39.300 See you next week. 01:24:39.540 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