This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you
in a fag pwned.
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six foe.
I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable.
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero.
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dream caps.
You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle.
Our exchange you could never stifle.
In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug.
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.
Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.
You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones?
And NASDAQ leaves your fight on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew.
Serial code, source code, ISO, and radio.
Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode number 140 for March 21st, 2006.
I'm Strom Carlson.
I'm Black Ratchet, and with us this evening, we have two guests.
Not so just fresh in from their interzone trip, but you know, hey, they had a week off, whatever.
We have Droops.
Hey, buddy.
And we have Dr. Zygman.
How's it going?
Dr. Zygman, how's it going?
You didn't say anything.
Oh, it's definitely going well over on this side.
It's always a pleasure to get a chance to join everybody on the radio show once again with three distinguished other individuals tonight.
Very lucky for our audience.
And we were having a discussion earlier.
This is your first live show where you're actually on the show?
That is true.
There was that brief stint or stunt that Strom put me on the spot during the Valentine's Day shows.
Everybody got to hear me doing my lame, what do I say whenever anybody calls?
Binary Revolution Radio, this is Dr. Zygman.
Do you have a question for Black Ratchet, Strom Carlson, and the rest of the crew tonight?
Right on the radio.
So, you know, and he's like, oh, we're going to get you a girlfriend.
I'm like, great, thanks.
With a line like that.
Yeah, I actually say that.
Are you kidding me?
I've heard you answer the phone like that?
Yeah, man, totally.
Strom always likes to test me.
He loves that.
He'll call halfway through.
Oh, I just want to make sure it was working.
He loves to hear it.
Wow, I didn't actually.
That's amazing.
We actually sound like we know what we're doing, which is just absolutely, completely and totally false.
Oh, God, I'll get into that in the hacking stories.
Christ.
With a bin rev radio crew.
Look at that.
We're cool.
Jukes, how are you this fine evening?
Well, I am doing spectacularly well.
As in, I slept all day and I just woke up.
Brilliant.
You keep very odd hours.
Well, I try.
Do you actually do that on purpose or do you actually just sleep very odd hours?
Are we actually just like, you know, catching you on the right phase right now or are you actually supposed to stay up and sleep during the day?
I predict 3 a.m. is what we're doing right now.
Yeah, I don't really know.
I just kind of sleep when I'm tired.
It's a good time.
You're like, what is it?
Pete Greenblatt from MIT, one of the old school hackers.
He used to like, basically, he used to be able to stay up 36 hours in a row and completely fall out like, you know, 12 hours out of sync every time he stayed up.
I won't like 36 hours by now.
Yeah.
What's the point?
Well, it was amusing because like people...
Go ahead.
We should all, you know, has anybody ever tried that polyphasic sleep?
You know, where every four hours you sleep for half an hour?
Yeah, right.
No way.
I'd like die.
People are totally doing it.
Oh, no, I heard of that.
Just for that half hour, you're in REM sleep, so it's all you need.
And think of all the extra time you would have.
I mean, granted, you wouldn't be able to leave your house for more than four hours at a time.
But, you know, that's a small price to pay to be able to hack the gifts all day long.
I actually do tend to revert to that sometimes.
I'll sleep like a couple hours, wake up, go for maybe five hours, go back to sleep for a few hours, wake up, go another five hours.
You know, it's okay sometimes, but I don't think I can do it long term.
Yeah.
Well, is it that, I mean, it's just, you just need to, like, fall into, what is it, the, I mean, it's an extreme example of that with the whole polyphasic sleep thing, but with, oh, shoot, what do they call it?
Where if you just, like, time your sleeping, well, no, you time your sleep correctly, where if you, like, always, because your sleep cycle, for those of you who don't know, I don't know how the hell we got on this topic.
Damn you, droops.
Your sleep cycle, for you don't know, you only, like, get rested in, like, you know, a small portion of your sleep, and to go through, like, you know, you go through a stage where you're asleep, but you're not actually resting, and then you go through a dream state, and then you go through the state where you're actually recharging your batteries, theoretically, and that's called REM.
REM, and once REM stops, the cycle starts again, and the entire cycle takes about 90 minutes to complete, and if you are able to pop out of your sleep cycle right at the state of time, like, right after REM sleep kicks out, and right before your next cycle begins, you feel incredibly refreshed.
Yeah, that's why you always feel really good when you wake up in the middle of dreams, because you're kind of toward, you wake up, you're waking up naturally at the end of the REM cycle, and it's awesome.
Yes, exactly.
Like, I remember, I mean, I know, like, a couple of times where I've just, I've only got, like, an hour and a half of sleep, and I'm just, like, when I wake up, I'm just, like, amazingly refreshed, and I'm like, ooh, okay, looks like I timed that correctly.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so, anyway.
Yeah, we, my wife and I experimented with that, and we took little naps all throughout the day, and it found the, it wasn't really helping, but we were actually, uh, getting carbon monoxide poisoning.
That was what was causing it.
So, it didn't really work out as well as we thought.
So now you have a carbon monoxide detector in your house?
Yes, yes.
When you lay down on your kitchen floor, and then, like, your girlfriend comes by, and she's like, that's odd, and then lays down beside you and thinks that's a good idea,
you should probably check the carbon monoxide levels in your house.
Oh, this is a girlfriend time.
You weren't quite, she wasn't quite, uh, stuck with you yet?
Yeah, yeah.
It was back when she was free.
Oh, I could have had her.
Oh.
Yeah, don't let your fiancé hear this one.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
I've actually come to the conclusion that I should no longer refer to you as Droops, I should refer to you as, um, Mrs. Droops' husband.
I just think, I just think everyone, yeah, well, because I just, everyone knows it a whole lot better.
Or Mr. Claire Huxtable.
Mr. Claire Huxtable.
You have to fear the Claire.
Claire.
Just make sure nobody mixes it up with an E-Claire.
It's with a 4 and not a A.
Yeah.
You gotta leave time.
Um.
So, uh.
Okay, so, we have a, we are, we are live tonight, just in case you didn't know.
Actually, for some reason, I decided to be evil, and right on the, before we came on the show, I logged into the IRC channel and said,
Sorry guys, there's no show tonight, you guys are all being dicks, and I'm not rewarding you with a show.
And everyone's like, what?
What did we do?
And I was just like, God, you're all owned.
I don't even know what the heck, like, came over me and why I did that, but, I don't know.
I had, like, two or three people believing me.
Oh, now you know how I feel at the time in the IRC channel.
Yeah, that's what I always do.
I just, like, you know, IRC's just this weird thing.
Um, we, so, I guess we are kind of taking call-ins.
We're not, we're not, apparently our, our completely wonderful, uh, receptionist there, Dr. Zygman, isn't going to be answering the phones with his trademark saying.
But if you call 888-9-BIN-REV and you're waiting to queue, I might drop out while the rest of the three are going at it to pick you up.
So, um, the three of us are going at it.
That just sounds bad.
You've got a far degree of mind than I do, Ratchet.
Seriously.
Yeah, we're going to have, we're going to have a little three-way on PIN-REV radio.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny, the one person who's excluded from it.
Yeah, I know, the one, Strom would actually probably enjoy that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Um, actually, I was listening to, I, I, I, I, I was, I was listening to the old shows.
Actually, a friend of mine was listening to the old shows, and he made a comment that you say the word lube far too much.
That was stank. You know, in like the last three shows, I've said the word lube at least once.
Oh, okay, so it was stank? I couldn't remember who it was.
Yeah, it was stank.
Yeah, like, like, you, you, you, you, you say lube far too much, and I was listening to the show, you really do.
So, I think you should apologize to the audience or something.
I'm sorry, audience, for making you think of slippery wet things.
That, that really, that just, that just went from bad to worse right there.
Well, you asked me to apologize, so I did.
I guess so.
What's wrong with lube?
Anyway, so, nothing's wrong with lube.
Okay, that's what I was wondering.
WD-40?
Exactly.
WD-40.
Ooh, that's just sounds big.
For the industrial lube.
Hey, that stuff comes with a little straw, too, so you can always apply it in the right spot.
We're just going, we went from bad doors right here.
We have a UK call-in, and allegedly it still works.
We're actually trying to, going to set up a real, honest-to-goodness, officially, direct-to-our-servers UK call-in.
I think, actually, a couple people this week, the person I do remember was Nightlord, requested that we set up an FWT number.
So, yeah, that'll be easy to do.
I can take care of it.
Yeah, yeah, the two people, too badly, like, they came up to me today and said, hey, you should really do this.
And I said, well, I don't think we have time.
And, um, because we were doing other things.
But our UK call-in, 0845-646-0102.
God save the queen.
And maybe next week.
Yeah, God save the queen.
Actually, we should get, we should, when we get a UK call-in number, we should play, like, you know, some Sex Pistols right before it connects to the bridge.
Is there, like, an official Queen song?
Well, there's God save the queen.
There's, I, I, what's the, what's the name of that song?
Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
Flatbottom Girls.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.
I know what you're talking about.
What's that called?
Oh, I don't know.
But, you know, you know, it's the dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
Yeah, the very regal-sounding thing that's, like, it's a movie cliche that you must, like, you must show a shot of, of, uh, of, of London and play that song if you're introducing a scene in London.
It makes me think of, uh, what movie was John Goodman in?
Where he was the, uh, the King Ralph.
King Ralph.
That's what it, that's a, that's a classic movie right there.
If there ever was a good movie.
I fear King Ralph.
God, it's been years since I've seen that one.
It's on TNT all the time.
Yeah, well, I don't own a TV set.
Neither do I.
What's your point?
Yeah.
So, for all you two, for, as Tiaxti said, for all those UK callers waiting up till 2.30 a.m. to listen to the show, that's your phone number.
Call right in.
Or for our, or for our crazy German caller from a couple, uh, from a German listener from a couple weeks ago, uh, want to try the UK number.
Feel free.
whatever
oh I'm sorry
the Jewish
the Jewish kid
got it wrong
yeah the Meshugan
and Jewish kid
they can't speak
oh man
you know
I can really say
just like so many
bad things right there
but I'm not going to
because I'll just be
detrimental to both
parties involved
um
I don't know
do we have any other
housekeeping things
we want to talk about
tonight
I don't think so
Not that I can think of.
Our topic tonight is Interzone.
We're going to have a sort of Interzone wrap-up.
So if you do have Interzone stories, just call in and just wait for the hold
and wait for Strom to come sweep you up and bring you onto the bridge and be enlightened.
I'll sweep you off your feet.
Yeah.
Shall we go into the email?
Yeah, let's do some emails.
What was the version you suggested, Zygman?
Of the radio song?
Yeah.
I don't remember.
What was it?
It was definitely...
Droop, droop, droop, droop, droop is a noob at gmail.com or something like that.
Something like that.
I wonder if droop is a...
yeah that was funny
I like that
yeah we should get
troops as a noob
at gmail.com
and just use it
with a space in it
because gmail
loves spaces
yeah
what happened
with that
wasn't there like
some bug with gmail
where you had a space
in your name
it was the dot
oh it's the dot
yeah it's the dot
it doesn't differentiate
like I've got
stromcarlson
at gmail.com
but if you send
strom.carlson
at gmail.com
it also comes to my inbox
well we can call that
the selection operator
so we can all feel
like we were important
woot
so
since you just saved
the email theme
we probably should
read some email
really
well we're talking
about email
and I figure that's
what the email theme
yeah go read
yeah
first email's
from someone named
Mark
he says
hi I'm creating
a birthday calendar
for myself
can you please
click on the link
below and enter
your birthday for me
don't worry it's quick
and you don't have
to enter your year
of birth
tiny URL
you're the
phonetic alphabet
person
tinyurl.com
slash
fox
november
six five
julien
thanks
Mark
um
yeah
so
this just
popped into
and I actually
thought it was a
spam for a while
but I guess not
I mean I didn't
actually
should have
checked out
that link
actually I should
have checked out
that link
before we gave it
over the air
shouldn't we
if it was spam
but um
I believe Mark's
actually sent us
email before
yeah if you
send out like
you know
a couple of
weeks ago
how we were
talking about
someone who
was you know
sending us
forwarding
I think that
was Mark
as well
so we
decided to
sort of you
know give
it out over
the air
there and
tiny you
just go out
and give
your birthday
to Mark
and I guess
he'll send
you lots of
gifts or
something so
hey black
ratchet
what's your
birthday
I'm not
going to
tell you
nobody knows
my birthday
I tell
well actually
I think it's
on the
I think it's
on the forum
I think I
got drunk
one night
and put it
on there
it's probably
in your
who is
information
along with
my social
security number
my phone
number
and uh
oh let me
drop it
real quick
that's another
discussion
extra paying
extra money
for domain
let's not go
there
yeah that's
annoying
um
what was it
I was actually
just like
sort of off
topic
but it's
kind of
on topic
but um
talking about
like you know
mother's maiden
names and
everything
and email
uh
it was on
uh
sands
the internet
storm center
sands
isc.sands.org
and they were
doing this
phishing email
and it was a
phishing email
sent to somebody
and it had
all of his
information
it's sort of
like you know
John Doe
123 Main
, Street
Anytown, USA
and it was
like everything
was like matched
up correctly
and if you went
to the phishing
site
it actually
um
it like kept
track of you
it passed
the session
variable over
to it
and like it
got everything
on you
it was asking
you oh
your mother's
maiden name
and you know
social security
number
and it was
it was creepy
I mean
I'd be amazed
yeah I'd be
amazed if like
um
I got an email
from a phisher
saying like you
know oh
this is all
you know
all your docs
haha
we know it
and I'm like
you know
if I really
think about it
it's just a
database
with a bunch
of your
information
and if you
were to really
get down to it
let's think
about it
how hard
would it be
for somebody
to listen
to all of
the radio
shows
and pick up
the tidbits
that you
dropped
and uh
don't tell them
this
haha
I'm gonna have
the Strom
Carlson fan club
at my front door
in two weeks
now thanks to you
no what
the scary part
was I mean
for me yeah
I guess I kind
of like you know
a public internet
celebrity I guess
but I mean
this was just
a random
phisher
and it probably
sent out like
you know
a thousand
or two emails
and it had
all of these
you know
had all of
these people's
docs on them
and it was just
like whoa
no thank you
I mean I
know all this
stuff is logged
and everything
but at the same
point it's just
wow
I mean I
I don't want
no no it's
kind of scary
that phishers
have all this
information
where's Lance
James
look at him
back on the
show
oh my god
what's what's
up what's all
these you know
phishing noobs
so anyway
have we all
added our
birthdays to
mark calendar
yet
I got sick
of responding
to all the
all the fancy
pants
questions about
can we
interest you
in this
are you sure
about that
no really
no
seriously
click this
so I didn't
go all the way
through and I'm
not sure
whether
whether my
birthday is up
there yet
would you like
the streaming
home privacy
invasion cam
the wizard
the w w w y c c r d
it is I
the wizard
buffering
all right
our next email
is from
hantu
yeah
hana's and
so
hantu
hana's and
solo
two isn't
two
strom and
ratchet
so I'm
getting a
cup of
coffee
at my
local
very large
bookstore
bnn
near my
place at
work at
lunch
and what
do I see
on the
magazine rack
near the
checkout
blacklisted
411 magazine
i was amazed
this is the
first time
i've seen
it on the
shelf and
hoping there
will be more
issues to
come
i'm also
hoping that
my fellow
listeners will
go out and
grab a copy
if people
don't buy it
the bookstore
won't keep
carrying it
since the
crew at
blacklisted
401 pay
folks to
write articles
it's also a
good way to
support the
hacking community
at large
including stank
who has an
article in there
this time around
rock on
hantu
i actually think i
deleted the second
part of that
email oh well
yeah
sorry hantu
yeah your note
says strom and
i'm just like
what's specific
about this yeah
yeah you
actually offered
strom to take
pictures of the
stromberg carlson
factory well
hey hang on
just just a
second here i
can pull it up
from our
wonderful uh
email client
yeah i probably
copied them
blacklist has
been on the
racks for for
quite a while
now definitely
at least a
couple of
months i know
they've been
working pretty
hard to uh
try to get
their their
readership out
it'd be nice
i mean usually
i i don't want
to i would
never say
anything bad
about blacklisted
but there's
always there's
always at least
a couple of
really good
articles in
it and then
it almost
seems like a
little bit of
fluff but
there's always
it's always
worth picking
up oh
yeah same
thing with
2600 you
know there's
always like
one or two
really great
articles and
the rest are
like yeah
but uh
blacklisted
yeah i mean
the blacklisted
guys are based
out of southern
california here
and they're
really awesome
people yeah
here's the
second half
of the email
it says
strom i live
in rochester
new york and
i've been
meaning to send
you photos of
the stromberg
carlson building
which is
approximately two
miles from my
house if you
like photos of
the building let
me know what
address you would
like them sent
to i thought you
might like to
see the brick
and mortar version
of your namesake
send an email
over the air
where i can send
you pics if you're
interested rock on
hantu so yeah
hantu just send
them on over to
stromcarlson at
gmail.com go to
my website and
there's the email
address right on
the front there
or send them to
the p.o. box
send them to
post office box
yeah general
delivery southern
california
sir you have to
come all the way
to the downtown
building on
vigness street
what no
um yeah no
blacklisted 401 is
okay um
personally i let my
subscription lapse
because i just
they they have
odd things with
one of their
issues and i
just looked at
it as you know
i'll pick it up
when it comes out
onto my bookshelf
but like i saw
a blast like
in defcon 12
yeah 12 yes
defcon 12 i mean
they had a in
the vendor room
they had a like
a table set up
and it was like
blacklisted 411
you know we're
starting back up
blah blah blah
and i said wow
look at that a
southern california
hacking zine
and um i i said
oh god i'll never
see this in boston
i'll probably no
i'll go i'll go
give them like
it was like 20
bucks for a year
subscription i
said oh i'll go
plunk down 20
bucks for that you
know i opted to
do that rather than
give it to the
eff so oh
well um and
you know i i
subscribed to it
and like they
say okay well
we'll get the
magazine i mean
here's all your
old magazines
we'll start your
subscription out
and we'll probably
won't get it out
to you in you know
a couple months
and i said okay
that's fine
and you know
sure shooting like
two or months
later comes in
the mail and
it was actually
very odd to get
an email package
listed to black
ratchet and i was
like what
and so i get up
and i was like
okay this is
pretty good and
sure enough like
a couple of days
later i'm in
borders which is
right across from
my work like a
block away and i
look at the right
next to 2600 and
sure enough there's
blacklisted 411 and
i was like what
wow are they
actually playing them
right next to each
other oh yeah
no right next to
each other cool
it's pretty sweet
blacklisted it's
nice because it
has a nice variety
of things it's not
all it's not all
really hardcore
technology and
computers they
always have i think
the last article i
read in actually
the one that i got
from defcon had
one from a girl
who uh who was
married to a hacker
and it's another
perspective on that
well she's married
man what good can
she be now she's
already taken but
uh granted she's
probably gonna hear
this show and now
gonna hate me but
i liked your
article it's good
but uh i think it's
always nice to get
more than one
perspective especially
if you can get it in
one in one
periodical you know
the more people
that the more
viewpoints and
etc etc you can get
from one one source
is always a good
thing i'm sure my
fiancee doesn't
like the fact that
i know for a fact
my fiancee does not
like the fact that i
i leave every
tuesday night to do
the radio show she
just goes like you're
doing your stupid
radio show again aren't
you yeah all
oh okay she finds
it amusing
um i guess we can
talk about her i
don't know i mean
they'll all she'll
she'll probably be
coming to me with me
to hope
sweet
yes we get to meet
the future mrs ratchet
well at that point
she will be mrs ratchet
oh okay
yes
now i feel bad for
you
what i haven't gotten
a wedding invitation
yet jeez
no no wedding
invitations no wedding
invitation for everybody
we're going to get
married
underground cave
ah so you're into
that
actually we
we yeah well no
we we we did get
married we did get
we did meet over the
internet i we were we
were i was the
pioneer that uh you
know we we did the
whole online meeting
thing and uh for the
longest time we actually
never talked about that
no no no it was uh
aol love or whatever
love at aol or
something
oh no
now it was actually
it's amazing
um
well this was when
they were like 12 or
something
this was when they
also had a modicum of
when they were hourly
no no no it was after
hourly it was i do
remember that do you
remember like compu
serve i remember
compu serve i remember
i remember
do you remember when
compu serve came up
with wow
oh god
i was a wow member
i have a t-shirt
that says wow
when they cancel the
service they realize
how dumb it was
yeah no i remember
seriously before that
i remember getting the
the aol floppy disk in
the mail right and it
was 10 free hours of
online service and i
was so totally you
know psyched about it
but i was so scared
of spending more money
than the 10 free hours
that i literally had
this log book that i
would manually log my
log on and log off
times and tabulate how
much time i had left
what was it wasn't it
like three bucks an
hour
it was some absolutely
ridiculous amount of
money
dude well
well it was like you
know you got like x
amount of free hours
and then but you if you
went into like you know
certain areas you you
would like you know
start getting charged
extra and that's what
killed compu serve for
my parents because i
used to hang out in the
chat rooms all the time
and they used to be like
you know a buck an hour
and i'd be like uh chat
rooms
um but way back in the
day oh it was nice they
had that little bug with
the uh the members help
screen because i used to
play federation that was
the best game on aol but
if you were to go into
their little help area
where they don't charge
you your characters would
still stay online in any
of the online games but
you wouldn't be charged
at the time
well that that's what
that's what aol hell did
god aol hell i remember
that it would basically
you know you you you'd
get in the members only or
whatever it is and then
you'd you'd bring up
another screen one of
the free areas and it
would like pass the it
would like signal back to
the application hey this
person's over here don't
charge them don't pay
attention to the fact that
i have all these other
windows open so that was
amazing
i don't like being able to
have people say other
things in channel and it
looks like uh not channel
i guess they were aol chat
rooms you know how you
can make somebody else as
if they'd say something
yeah
oh i do remember that
that was classic
good old time
talk about skiddy tools i
was probably what like
nine
yeah god that was
probably like
nineteen ninety four or
five or something
i guess it was like nine
god yeah it must have
been eleven
fourteen thirteen
thereabouts
either way
good times
our next email is from
trem
yeah and trem says i
have a question how does
ssh send a cipher key to
the client to the connected
client couldn't you then
just sniff for it making
ssh unsecure
much love trem
well we're going to
sort of give a gloss
right over it i actually
think i mentioned the
book like last week was
called last week or the
week before crypto by
steven levy and it
explains how um rsa and
ssh and public
cryptography works and
this is going to be a
very crash course for it
um
when you actually break it
down ssh has four cipher
keys and if i'm probably
going to get this wrong and
if i do get it wrong i
apologize in advance
but teoxy is just like
you know sitting there
listening to the stream
going oh he's going to
screw this up but i'm
going to lay him based
him in irc tomorrow
um ssh basically has
four keys um each side
has something called a
public key and a private
key now when one side
wants to encode something
over to the other side
it encodes it with the
other side's public key
now once it's encoded the
only thing that can decode it
is that other person's
private key hopefully that
we know of i mean we're
not going to like say
this right now the only
thing that should be able
to code is the other
side's private key um
i do believe there's
also another key in there
as well uh something
that's called the k key
and that is a random key
that's used for each
session so that you do
not have uh so that you
have better forward
secrecy yes yeah i was
going to get into that
actually now when we're
talking well i would
not mean you just
basically you covered it
so it wasn't a big deal
um so what this basically
is is something called
asymmetric which is public
and private key now this
is different than
symmetric encryption what
symmetric encryption is like
you know say i want to
send a secret message over
to dr zigman and basically
i just yeah we're 13 we're
in junior high and we're
like um oh rod 13 rod 13
yeah that's what rod 13 is
it's a symmetric encryption as
in each letter means
something else and all you
need to know is that super
secret encryption key to
decode it and and that's
easily sniffable because
symmetric encryption is
that the same key is used
i believe to encrypt it
and decrypt it yes exactly
didn't i just say that
oh i thought you were
saying something else
perhaps i was wrong i
don't know maybe i'm
sort of just like bumbling
over it so yes but that's
what symmetric means the
same key is used to encrypt
and decrypt so the problem
is is that if you sniff that
key much like you were
talking about before
everything is insecure
because you can decrypt
everything now at the
public and the private key
the public key you can send
to everybody and your
private key is the one you
want to keep under you know
lock and key because if
someone gets your private
key everything that's sent
to you encoded with your
private key the attacking
party can also decode because
they know your private key
so
exactly we weren't going to
get into that but thank you
yes of course what it is
teoxy wants us to uh as he
says verbatim in all capital
letters mind you you better
mention the caching of the
host key bitch
yes i thank you very much i
know
is that what that little
warning means where i just
always click yes
yeah you know the one the
little bullet i have right
below again it says man in
the middle warning yes look at
that
now initially when you connect
up to a ssh session and you
don't know the other person's
private key it says this
person has this public i'm
sorry did i say public or
private when you first
connect up to i'm sorry when
you first connect up to an
ssh session you don't know
the other person's public
key but ssh takes care of
this for you and it prompts
you hey i don't know this
host um this is the person's
public key and it gives you
like this little alphabet soup
of uh letters and hex um and
it says do you want me to
remember this so basically if
if you i mean most people
just say yes but like you
know if you're smart you
actually make sure that that
is that person's public key or
that that's computer's public
key i have my public key for
my two computers that i you
know use a lot from other
various other workstations
um memorized i know i actually
sat down and memorized it so i
can actually i can quickly look
at it and say you know oh
yeah that's my public key i
know that one if it comes back
something different something
fishies up um once you say yes
that's the person's public key
you know accept it it it saves
it locally to your computer so
say for example if someone's
trying to sniff it and you have
it in a train out they try to
give you a different public key
you get this giant uh warning on
your computer saying you know
something fishy is going on this
person's public key has changed
um like for example i reinstalled
one of my computers and the
public key changed because it
wasn't you know public private on
my land um no one was going to
connect to it besides me uh when i
reconnected to it it remembered
its old public key but it
actually ish gave my um ssh client
a new public key so um you know
i got this you know giant warning
saying you know something fishy
is going on the public key has
changed i said yeah that's fine i
know that i because i reinstalled it
you know you know accept the new
public key remember that one um you
know for example but if um like one
of my other public key change and i
didn't do anything to it something
weird's going on and probably
someone's trying to own me so i
hope i hope that of meets you know
you know teoxy approval there gets
a little seal right there um stamp
for approval the stamp for approval
yes um really good book on
cryptography if it's somebody that
somebody's interested in it's a
little dated but it's still an
excellent resource it's applied
cryptography by uh i believe it's
bruce spencer and uh he does not
only an excellent job of talking about
each individual form of encryption and
secrecy but also how it's been how
it's been compromised and uh all that
interesting stuff there so there's a
there's a free plug for applied
cryptography it's a great book it's
kind of expensive but it's still a
very good book and i'm going to just
sort of toss it out there um with uh
you know uh let's try that again
i'm going to toss it out there
steven levy crypto um it's a pretty
good book it's not as technical but it
gives you a nice history of
cryptography and how everything uh run
around you actually get to learn all
the alphabet soup sitting out there
like you know des and rsa and um pgp
and all that crazy stuff i'm just like
hacksores the uh exactly the uh x-rated
uh oh wow what a classic video that is
i don't think we should get into that
either
all right i'll go i'll actually go read
our next email it's from a battery man
and it's it's it's a very it's a very
good email i just want to toss it out
here just to uh give everyone the infos
um am gives you more range since the
signal strength is higher than fm here's
the best transmitter for the job part 15
http colon slash slash part 15 dot us
slash node slash six nine two how about
doing pirate radio and wi-fi at one
watt set up several streams and make the
ssid something like quote pirate radio
one nine two dot one six eight dot two
dot ten colon eight thousand those are
hyphens not dot oh whatever i'm sort of
my eyes are going anyway oh christ
um check out this whole check out this
channel six tv spectrum for fm broadcast
page
http colon slash slash lpfm dot
ws i did read that right slash news
slash channel six dot php why is channel
six better for fm radio the main reason
is desirability of the channel to be
used for dtv in many markets since there
are so many vhf stations on dial the only
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stations already have big investment
into their dtv facilities on uhf it would
not make a lot of sense to completely
remove their dtv facilities on uhf and
build new dtv facilities on vhf also due
to propagation characteristics on the
low band vhf channels tv channels two
three six dtv is not desirable on these
channels due to its lack of tolerance to
noise etc also if the broadcaster decides
to move their dc dtv facilities to vhf while
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it puts vhf dtv stations at a competitive
disadvantage dtv channel six stations will
be required to protect their non-commercial
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operating on 82 to 92 fm because of this
requirement the fcc did not allocate dtv
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would be created out of channel six
spectrum could hold a potential of
thousands of new non-commercial community
broadcast stations versus a small number
of full power and low power tv stations
here's the best broadcast query seat for
radio and fm tv uh www.recnet.com slash
charlie charlie delta bravo sierra slash
foxtrot mike quebec dot php and find a spot
on the dial with a sandy slate and it's the
same url oh sorry same url with the
exception of the last part which is lima
papa fox mike dot php battery man and um i
sort of read out the whole email there but
uh i if you go to that first url i gave
it's a very sorry second url i gave it's
a very interesting thing on uh channel
six digital tv and low power fm and
uh actually the the um for for those of
you don't know we're actually no longer
being broadcast on the fm dial um evil
dashi retired his pirate radio station
which i actually found very sad but he
uh did manage to get his ham radio
license and he just decided you know
since i was actually officially licensed
by the fcc um that he would wash his
hands as it were the pirate radio scene
which personally i think is pretty safe
okay
wasn't that just last week
actually yeah well just he just emailed
me today saying you know oh you know
we're not we're not gonna i i i just got
my license i'm sorry i'm not gonna do it
anymore i'm like oh well whatever
so yes he's no like this
and modulate this biatch
troops did you die on us at troops
troops fell off i'm trying to get him
back
oh that's so sad
i was wondering why the heck he wasn't
talking
come back
troops
no
anyway dr zygman
since you actually
actually i've never seen you include
this in your notes with your personal
hacking stories
but um
you you have something labeled here
web crawler goodness
oh web crawler goodness
this is uh everybody's been hearing me
talk about this stupid search engine
for fucking ever
oh uh for freaking ever
and uh
actually we're not on the radio anymore
say fuck all you want
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
oh in that case
i don't see what the big fucking deal
is
but uh
it's it's
it's the crawler back end
for my search engine
well you know long story short
it was working
and it was working pretty well
except for there was
there was a bug in it somewhere
that it just
it just kept coming down
it would only run for about 15-20 minutes
and then it would crash
it was tough to find out exactly what the problem was
because you know i'd be running
30 some odd instances
of forge processes
and to try to debug that
you know it's just not fun
so i ended up starting to rewrite it from scratch
using all the uh
the things that i've learned
in recent days
uh
probably the
the latest thing that i got done
was
a really cool way in c
to process
a robots.txt file
which is the robot exclusion
uh
robot exclusion protocol
uh
pearl has a couple of really good modules for it
but nobody really had anything for c
so i'm thinking i might make this
uh
maybe not the entire robot
but definitely at least this uh
uh
the robot exclusion part
uh
into a little module
not a module
but a little bit of a header file
so that people could use it
but uh
it's nice and fast
it works for unix
and it actually
it comes with a little reaper
who makes sure that uh
none of the uh
robot files are older than
a uh
older than a week or so old
it's pretty cool
and uh
i hope to finally finish this crawler
by the end of the week
and then when that's done
i'm gonna try to probably announce
the actual site
of the search engine
so that people can check it out
and break it
and let me know how they did it
so they can fix it
there's a whole bunch of bugs
or not bugs
uh
features
hidden all over the site
for people to
to check out and find
so
that should be
pretty cool
when it's coming up
crush dr zygman's bot
by clicking the wrong link
woo
yeah actually
you know
i don't really think
you can do much
against the bot
and that's always been
an interesting question
of like
maybe if we found
a vulnerability
in google's bot
that we could build it
into an html
into a webpage
and when it crawled it
something would happen
and i still would love
to see somebody do that
i would love to see it happen
but it's such
i don't know
i mean that would be
a tough one
definitely
well i mean
i forget what the term
they use for it is
but
i mean technically
there is a vulnerability
out there
well sort of
it was a vulnerability
with google search engine
i mean all these people
what they would do
is when
oh shoot
what is it
when they see
google bombing
basically
they basically
yeah well
it wasn't google bombing
but
you know
if you're trying to
you know
raise your listing up
what you would do
is you'd basically
include a nice little
if statement
in right before your page
saying you know
if this is a normal user
coming to see my site
give them the real site
if it's not a normal user
and it's google bot
make my site look like
it has all these
crazy ass words on it
so it makes my
site index look better
interesting
there's a million different
strategies
in the whole
how to get good rankings
in google
etc etc
but you know
i really
i think there's only
a handful of people
who really know
how it works
like for sure
and i would love
to see like
all the speculation
we have
but at the end of the day
sometimes i'm
absolutely astounded
with some of the sites
that are number one
that it just doesn't
look like the site's
not a quality site
they don't have
a lot of links on it
you would think
that it wouldn't
be a high site
so you know
every now and then
when somebody has
the perfect theory
of how the google bot
works
it totally gets
shot out of the world
well i know
for a fact
that one of the ways
it works is that
you can you know
it measures how much
certain phrases
are linked to a specific page
so remember the thing
where people google
bombed the page
for george w bush
when people google
for miserable failure
oh yes
was that george bush
or was it george bush
yeah
yeah the google bomb
the original google bomb
that's the original one
yeah
no no no
it actually varies
depending on when you do it
or how it updates
the statistics
you occasionally get
michael moore
oh will you
okay
i think that's more recent
though i remember
the the bush thing
being around much
long before michael moore
started becoming
you know
mr mr bitch a lot
well you know
what else is interesting
about google
is their their results
are actually different
you know if you give
the same search query
different times
like a perfect example
that you could test
is if you use tour
you'll get actually
into other countries
different languages
so of course that's
different but
you know i guess
that's almost an indication
that they don't have
a centralized database
and that each
entity of google
is a little different
so i always thought
that was interesting
that you know
maybe if you can't
find a result in english
it never hurts to go
check out another language
mm-hmm
or not even another language
another location
it's not even just
different languages
it's everything
i mean for example
i um
i think
i was running
the 1.5 beta
on my desktop
at work
and on my laptop
i was still running
um fire
i'm sorry
the 1.5
firefox beta
and on my laptop
i was running
106 uh stable
like back in the day
or whatever it was
and i ran the query
on um
firefox
on my desktop
and i got the link
that i wanted
and i said
okay let me go
search for that
on my laptop
because i actually
wanted to install
the software
on this one
and um
it was the
uh like the
january community
technology preview
for um
microsoft expression
designer
or something like that
so i i googled it
on my laptop
and i found it
it's like
you know
ctp preview
for you know
microsoft expression
and i click on it
and it's that
and it's the old one
and i was like
wait a minute
i searched for the
same exact thing
why am i getting
the old one
and
i wonder if that's
more of a load
balancing thing
or if it's actually
not a centralized
database
you know
maybe they actually
have
yeah it might very
well be load
balancing
i'd be curious
to know more
about that
there's actually
a really good
conference that
goes on once a
year in new york
and i didn't get
to go to it
this year
but uh
they talk a lot
a lot about
marketing of search
engines but they
also talk a lot
about the
technicalities of
how of how to
how ranking should
work you know
what's what's
great what's
best from like
a business
person's point
of view
it's not really
geared too much
towards the
computer user
but they do
get into some
technical details
the name of it
slips my mind
but anybody who's
interested in that
sort of thing
uh i guess you
can google for it
or use your
search engine of
choice
i was actually
going to go for
that but instead
i i opted to go
for the nigerian
419 scammer
conference down in
africa this year
oh sweet
where is it again
zimbabwe
or buchanan
zimbabwe this
year
oh okay
you want to
keep my check
down there and
deliver it to the
guy
because uh
he's going to be
sending me a whole
bunch of money
through my bank
account i get to
keep 10% of it
oh oh real oh
so so uh you
know you know
mamaluke too
who doesn't
yeah my good
friend mamaluke
boobaday
yeah he's a good
friend of everybody
isn't he
yes
yeah me
hello good friend
how are you today
you don't know me
but
well i have 30
million dollars
yes and i
want to give you
and i selected you
yes you
because i have
your email address
actually i found
all those nights
that i wasted on
those porn sites
don't subscribe to
that it's a spam list
obviously not if i'm
making 30 million
dollars
exactly
you gotta have a
good head on your
shoulders to be
reasonable about
these things you
know
all i had to do
was send him my
bank account number
yeah where's the
harm in that i
mean perfect
he can have it
it's negative so
you know
have fun
maybe he'll actually
have to pay money
into it
what there's like
one website where
the guy just
basically owns
419 scammers
that's what he
does and he
posts all the
accounts
like he
i forget what
it is
like the like
the like the
like his first
one that he did
he like you know
told the guy like
oh man i need to
get you know like
toward the end
like he said
oh man i need to
get out of
are you
no no no no
no okay
oh god no no
not them let's not
talk about them
well we actually
had a suggestion
someone contacted
me and suggested
we do a whole show
on scam baiting
so it might be
worth looking into
possibly we should
have that to our
pile
um is is did did
so did droops die
no i'm back
yeah
it's 419 eater
dot com
that's it 419 eater
oh thank you
oh look at that
droops where did
you go
i i i don't know
you don't know
his phone is
screwed up
he never knows
every time i push
this button like in
the on the phone
it keeps hanging
up i don't know
that's the hang
up button
yeah
it's red for a
reason
so droops what
have you been
doing
what's your
personal hacking
story
what's that
what's your
personal hacking
story
my personal
hacking story
well other than
you know like
the gibson
which you know
we all do
um we've been
working on slacks
and remastering
it and adding
stuff into it
and i'm right
now like as we
speak trying to
make an asterisk
module that
actually works
and i have one
that kind of
works and it
doesn't work i
don't understand
why it doesn't
work on all the
other different
versions of slacks
except like the
main one it gives
me an error if i
try to put it in
anything else
what's the error
well first off
for those of you
who don't know
what is slacks
oh i'm sorry
slacks is a
um alright this
guy really into
slackware made
some scripts called
the linux live
scripts which is
at linux-live.org
and you install
these boogers and
run them and it
makes a live cd of
your system and he
took that and
started making
slacks which is a
live cd based on
slackware and you
can customize it to
uh make it do
cool things like
slacks is in like
the top 20 i want
to say on distro
watch and within
the next hundred
there's wolfix and
i think that uh
backtrack is also
on there now and
they're all based
off of slacks
yeah okay
is that our
closing music going
i don't think the
show was over
already
no that was my
phone in the
background i turned
off my sidekick
that i just painted
black it's cool
nice
anyway i've been
trying to play with
this
and as soon as
we can make one
that has an asterisk
module we'll have
a live cd based
asterisk system and
people are saying
well what the hell
is the point of
that well it you
don't have to install
it you can just kind
of put it on a
machine to demo it
or play around with
it and with slacks
they have this thing
called web config that
you can save your
important config files on
the slacks website and
then when you boot the
thing up wherever a
computer you boot it up
you know is your asterisk
box all of a sudden
it's got all your
config files
with your secrets
intact
with your secrets
intact
nice
so wait a minute
wait a minute
which website are
you saving this on
you save it on the
slacks website i
wouldn't put my
password on it but i
mean your extensions
dot com really isn't
you know proprietary
information
i don't know what you
have in your
extensions dot com
but i do
but it's not like a
publicly accessible
place you have to have
a username and
password so
because we all know
how secure those are
yeah
it limits the number
of people that get
to see it
down to like instead
of a instead of 4.6
billion it's down to
like you know 4.3
exactly
yeah
but whatever
you and all the
nigerian scam
scam artists
i'm moving to 4.2
0
and didn't you just
didn't you just
release a beta for
oh yeah we released
i'm sorry
we released a beta
for our pod for
pod for linux
which is like
we're gonna write
some tutorials and
things for it
and set it apart
but mainly it was
just our test to see
if we could make
a really cool little
distro
and it's for
podcast creation
because that's
the new thing
that people are
doing
making these
little radio
shows
and we want
the video
shows are so
that'll never
catch on
we wanted to
use linux
while they're
doing it
so we're
making pod
vert
now where
can they send
all these
small radio
shows that
they make
themselves
do you have
any good
places to
send them
droops
you know
just go to
infanomicon.org
and read
everything
and you'll
probably find
something
twat radio
that's a good
show
aren't you
on that
show man
I don't
think so
I've got to
do one
sometime soon
not this
month
it's kind
of funny
how Strom
is neglected
to do
the twat
oh god
see now
if there's
a little
radio show
called
cock
that's him
oh yeah
I'll Strom
all the time
woo
Strom
Lube
here we go
Lube radio
there we go
Strom you had
some type of
personal hacking
story that you
wanted to say
I don't know
what it is
oh yes
I spent all
of
yesterday I
decided finally
that when
CD asterisk box
we recorded
and produced
the show on
was kind of
the hard drive
was getting full
and it was the
first Linux
server I ever
set up and I
figured maybe I
should do it
right this
time so
I set up a
new box and
started installing
asterisk and
I finally got it
working and we're
talking on it
right now but
it was a major
pain in the ass
to get the
streaming working
again I spent
hours and hours
agonizing over
this because I
copied all the
config files over
I installed all
the same programs
everything should
have worked and
it didn't and I
just banged my
head into the
wall for like
six hours trying
to figure this
out and then I
solved my problem
by making a
sim link
okay well you
gotta explain what
a sim link is
for those people
who don't know
like all eight
of a sim link
is like a
shortcut in
windows it's
one thing that
points to
another what
happened was
the technical
detail is the
way the streaming
works on our
server is we
have asterisk that
we all talk on
the meet me
conference then
there's an
asterisk plugin
called ices which
streams to an
ice cast server
but the problem
is that ices only
streams in
og vorbis and
everyone listens
in mp3 so I
have to then I
stream to an
ice cast server
running on my
asterisk box and
then from there I
get the stream from
my own asterisk box
I have to transcode
it and then re-upload
it to gdphack radio
and so the problem
is that the version
of ices that
installs is ices2
and the ices that
asterisk looks for
is just called
ices and so I
had to symlink
ices to ices2 in
order to get it to
work six hours of
banging my head into
the wall for that
ln-s yeah ir test
smart no ln-s
well just to
continue the
reinstall theme
here I also
reinstalled my
server on
saturday
because like I
mean you all
listened to it last
week actually my
honeypot's down
now I need to
reinstall that and
like do like 15
bazillion other
things I actually
had a problem with
asterisk this
evening right before
the show and
going no no work
work and mysteriously
did so I'm happy
now
but yeah so I
had to work out
and do all that
stuff and reinstall
debian on it and
it was kind of
annoying but it's
still completely
set up like for
example if someone
calls my house right
now like for those
you don't know I
when on when you
actually you know
call my landline my
real person landline
and I don't have an
answering machine
asterisk actually does
all my answering
machine duties I'm
just that hardcore I
have Linux answering
my phone
and actually since I
reinstall it doesn't
actually do that
anymore because I
don't have the
driver set up for it
yet and I need to do
that I should probably
do that tonight
because compiling your
kernel is interesting
with Debian and
sources and Linux
includes and all that
wonderful stuff but
yes I'm working
asterisk is almost
there and I think
everything else is
fine as well and
everything seems to
be working okay so
far thank goodness
as I drop off the
conference
yeah we'll blame you
for your new box
instead of my new box
have we have do we
have any phone calls
tonight or are you
even looking or
let me go take a look
I'll go grab
I think Ponyboy's
calling up
supposedly Ponyboy's
on the line I'll go
see if he's there
why don't you guys
probably be sitting
there forever
why don't you guys
enter zone for the
time being
enter zone all right
so enter zone was
two weeks ago we
actually were going to
do this last week but
I already committed
to the radio show
so you guys get
shoved to the side
anyway how was
enter zone
Ziggy
Drews I think I
think I have said
quite a bit and it
is only fair that you
have first dibs
well thank you my
friend
enter zone is hard
to describe I think
if I were to describe
best I would just get
Ziggy to do it
I guess I'm going to
go ahead with this
enter zone
okay so let's start
from the beginning
there Ziggy
you actually wrote
gratuitous show notes
for us so how was
the trip up there
so where is enter
zone that's in
Atlanta correct
it is in Atlanta
as far as I know
it's pretty close to
Atlanta I don't know
if it's actually in
the city of Atlanta
but it's definitely
right there
yeah Ponyboy why
don't you tell us
where it is
yeah it's uh
it's actually
located in
oh it's Ponyboy
welcome back
yeah
hey Ponyboy
I don't get a
hi
oh yeah
hey what's going
on guys
um
yeah they just
they just dropped
me in here
didn't give me a
warning very well
so I didn't know
uh but uh
anyways
yeah
where is it
it's somewhere
it's in the
Atlanta metro area
the Atlanta
metropolitan area
that'll work
oh
then
I'm sorry
so where are you
Ziggy fell off the
conference
huh
Ziggy fell off the
conference
no Ponyboy
fell off the
conference
oh poor Ponyboy
well it was
it was quite a
drive for me
from from Florida
and uh
in the car
were me
Logos X
uh we dragged
Super KT along
and uh
Logos' brother
it was a grand
old time getting
up there
uh you know
I got
is that her
handle now
what's up
is that her
handle now
Katie
Super KT
yeah
Super KT
I think you'd
have to ask her
she likes to
you know mix it
up
she actually
has like 15
of them
hey you know
you gotta be
popular right
there he goes
but uh
you know I
don't want to
skip ahead to
the end
but I'm just
going to say
one thing about
Logos
he definitely
has the
he's getting
from me at
least
the gold
medal for
driving
because we
we literally
we almost
died
and Logos'
slick driving
skills are the
only thing that
saved us
he kind of
drives like
he's a
grandmother
going like
80
but other
than that
you know
his slick
he totally
avoided
there was a
car stopped
in the middle
of the highway
for no reason
and he managed
to get in
between two
SUVs
without having
a lane to
go in
he was actually
just driving
on the white
line that
separates the
lanes and
he somehow
swerved
got in
front of
both cars
snuck
between them
and it was
totally slick
so if Logos
is listening
excellent job
driving
I'm glad
that I'm
still alive
that was
awesome
but about
the conference
itself
where did you
actually come
from
I drove in
from Mississippi
and going
across the
great state
of Alabama
they decided
they would
have some
road construction
signs with
like no
construction
and police
officers
so we
kind of got
pulled over
going really
fast in the
construction
zone
and then
my wife says
oh shit
I don't have
an insurance
car in the
car
and I said
oh that's
great
that's awesome
jail time
and the
state trooper
comes up to
the vehicle
and you know
he's very
friendly
just kind of
calm and
relaxed
which was
very nice
two people
got pulled
over
like me
and some
other guy
and I
asked if I
could get
out
because we
had been
in the
car for a
long time
so that he
and I
walked behind
the car
and he
didn't see
that my
wife's
inspection
sticker
was out
and give
us a third
ticket
so let's
see if I
could find
my court
summons
I have
to go
to
operating a
vehicle without
insurance
and a
speeding
wonder if
it says
how fast
I was
going
it doesn't
say but
it says it
was in a
construction
zone
which in
Alabama
correct me
if I'm
wrong
you don't
have to pay
double if
there's no
workers
oh really
like in
Mississippi
it's only if
workers are
present
and then we
saw a sign
right after the
guy pulled us
over and we
were driving
along down
the road
that said
only if
workers are
present
so he
kind of
dicked me
over
you could
fight it
well
we could
fight it
but anyway
good times
at that
it was
quite an
experience
through both
of you
there
yeah
we pull
into
Atlanta
and we
have the
GPS navigation
going on
which really
isn't that
good on the
PDA
and we
kind of got
a little
turned off
the wrong
road
so we
decided
oh we'll
just go
cross country
which you
can do
here
but in
cities
it seems
that you
can't
because it's
just a lot
of stoplights
and we
spent a lot
of time
in Atlanta
trying to
get across
it
but there
was like a
police chase
we listened
to it on the
radio
they were
chasing
somebody
that was
me
oh okay
it was a
good time
Dr. Zygman
Logos
and Katie
in the
middle of
the white
bronco
there
going down
to Atlanta
and before
I
before I
forget
I also
want to
give
Logos
a gold
medal
for
driving
we all
went out
to eat
Ponyboy
Logos
is my
wife and
I
Mrs.
Droops
Claire
as you
want to
call her
Logos
and I
were having
a beer
drinking
contest
of sorts
where he
pretty much
drank two
massive
Mexican
beers
like the
big ones
you get
at the
restaurant
before I
drank my
one
and then
he's the
one that
drove home
I just
drank these
beers real
fast
holy cow
me and
Logos
man
we gotta
go get
up
I think
Logos
will take
you
because
Logos
can drink
he can
drink
damn
beer
he can
handle it
I've seen
him put
four or
five down
and be
like
yo
what's
up
can we
do
some
shots
I don't
know
I mean
I get
drunk
after four
or five
but I'm
always up
for shots
you know
yeah
who isn't
up for
shots
I could
be crawling
on the
floor
you know
just after
I puke
my guts
out
and say
yo
who's up
for shots
which is
actually
it's a
great segue
into what
introzone is
really about
drinking
that's right
is there a
convention
is there a
hacker convention
that's not
about drinking
not that I
know of
I had two
beers the
whole time
other than we
went out to
like a
restaurant
hell you
should have
seen a
tour con
Microsoft
actually sponsored
the bar
the one night
so they gave
us all drink
tickets
I already made
that joke
once
but you
weren't allowed
to share
them
yeah I
forget
I don't
know who
did that
joke
but that
was like
the best
joke
ever
I made
that joke
oh you
made that
joke
that's why
I said it
again
oh okay
it was
it was literally
the best
joke ever
nice
so anyway
so
interzone
is all
about
drinking
eh
no
well
that
and
having
other
cons
in the
same
hotel
well
there were
a lot
of really
interesting
presentations
also
that went
along
at this
interzone
and you
know
if I
could
I'm
just
going to
talk
about
my
favorite
and then
if
Drew
wants to
jump in
and talk
about
one
of his
but
on the
very
first day
I got
there
we got
there
like
7 in
the
morning
and I
waited
with
bated
breasts
for
coding
101
thinking
you know
what
this is
going to
be
great
I'm
going to
take
Logos
and
Super
KP
down
to
it
and
they're
going to
learn
all about
basics
of C
etc
no
coding
101
was
definitely
some
advanced
C
a lot
of it
was
PHP
extensions
which
is
a really
really
cool
thing
to do
but
have a
good
grasp
of
C
and
PHP
it's
not
going
to
make
any
sense
and
the
long
story
short
is
basically
you can
write your
own
PHP
functions
that are
going to
be compiled
and actually
become part
of the
site
so you can
use it
just like
a regular
PHP
function
couple
advantages
of that
as the
gentleman
was talking
about
was
that
it's
faster
it's
already
compiled
it's
not going
to have
to be
compiled
as
or
scripted
as
it's
going
next
even
if
you're
just
serving
out
PHP
it's
always
possible
someone
could
get
access
to
the
source
code
of the
PHP
somehow
through
some
exploit
if it's
already
compiled
in
it's
going to
be a lot
more
difficult
for somebody
to get
in there
perfect example
of something
that you
would want
hidden
like that
let's
say
we were
talking
about
a ranking
algorithm
you don't
want
everybody to
know
exactly
how it
works
because
people
are
going
to be
able
to
best
it
so
that
coding
101
lecture
it was
all
day
too
it was
two
sessions
by a
very
intelligent
man
and
you know
if
I'm
sorry
I don't
remember
his name
but
he
definitely
has a lot
of experience
with it
and
PHP
extensions
was it
Richard
but
he was
a great
guy as well
I had a
chance to
speak with
him
separately
but
they also
put out
he was
showing us
one of the
tools
I don't
know if
I really
agreed with
the tool
because I
think it's
a bad
idea
be copying
and pasting
code
but it
was something
where you
could type
in a
couple of
words
highlight it
click ok
in this
box
and it
would
instantly
paste code
that was
relevant to
those words
that you
typed in
it's
something
that
apparently
has been
around for
a long
time
people have
been
continually
developing
it
and
something
about a
conference
that's always
nice
is you
can see
things that
you otherwise
might not
have been
interested in
or might
not have
seen
and that
was my
favorite talk
of the
entire
thing
except for
of course
from there
any conference
is really
going to have
a great
series of
talks
and inner
zone
is no
exception
to that
rule
so why don't
we talk
about the
other talk
in the
20 minutes
we have
left
well I
went to
a talk
on how
to do
some video
editing
and
I heard
the guy
was like
a total
noob
and had
no clue
what he
was talking
about
and he's
like released
like some
like brand
new
actually yeah
we didn't
talk
we'll bring
that up
on announcements
droopsisanoob
at gmail.com
droopsisanoob
at gmail.com
so yes
Zygman you
gave a talk
correct
I did
I gave a
presentation
on quick
and easy
digital video
editing
droops was
nice enough
to erase
the digital
video editing
part of the
title
and just
leave it
as Dr.
Zygman
quick and
easy
oh god
you could
take that
one
totally
the wrong
way
that was
nice
at noon
droopsisanoob
gave a
presentation
as well
along with
pony boy
who was
on the
show a
little bit
ago
and that
was on
why don't
you tell us
about that
droopsisanoob
well they
had a couple
extra spots
they needed to
fill for
Sunday evening
or Sunday
afternoon
so they
asked us
or I think
stinky
volunteered us
to give a
talk on
something
and we
decided we
talked about
hacker media
and if
you
listened to
I think
it's
today's
twat
episode
or tomorrow's
twat
episode
you'll be able
to listen
to the
talk
so we
talked about
things and
made some
funny jokes
and then we
had a big
party at the
end when
everyone left
there was
like 12
people in
there
but whatever
it was a good
time
big party
mrs droops
on the
stripper pole
what's that
a big party
mrs droops
on the
stripper pole
yeah mrs droops
was on the
stripper pole
and she was
twirling around
good times
seriously
if I ever
see her
again
I'm going to
just get
slapped
yeah
I tell her
everything you
say
remember that
quiet guy
playing with
his phone
she's like
which one
yeah I mean
that really
doesn't narrow
it down
technically you
could say the
fat guy who
was quiet and
played with
the phone
that would
probably you
know narrow
it down
the fat guy
black shirt
you know
had the
phone
quiet
anyway
so what
did you
talk about
yeah I
was going to
say
Stank
so
Stank
was the
one on
metadata
wasn't it
yes it was
on metadata
and it was
very funny
and very
informative
and he got a
lot of claps
off of his
didn't he use
a photo of
you and I
ratchet
he did not
actually use
oh he didn't
okay he was
planning on
actually
he had like
a monkey
spinning
I remember
that
why don't you
tell him about
the story about
how they tracked
down that kid
okay
well
Stanky
had asked
a couple
of us
you know
if we could
think of
examples
and like
the day
he asked
I was
reading
I don't
know
probably
slash dot
and I
found a
perfect
example
for his
talk
and there
was this
kid
who has
like a
botnet
and he
was interviewed
by somebody
that was
with the
Associated Press
and he
lived in
like a
mobile home
across the
street from
a strip
club in
some little
small town
and it was
on slash dot
well people
there was a
photo of this
guy that was
all shady
and mysterious
looking
well the
Associated Press
embeds extra
metadata in
their pictures
so they can
help keep track
of that kind
of shit
and it
narrowed it
down to what
town it was
and then the
people on
slash dot
figured out
oh here's
the strip
club and the
gas station
and the used
car lot that
he talked
about
so that's
probably right
where he
lives
here's a
GPS
you know
a satellite
photo of
it
very very
classic
and this
was somebody
who was
totally anonymous
apparently
yeah
and like
the kid
himself
didn't get
himself
owned
it was
because of
the Associated
Press
and you know
he gave
clues
like he was
from a small
town
had a southern
accent
shit like
that
he also said
they had a lot
of details about
his favorite
brand of
cigarette
etc etc
what was his
favorite brand
of cigarette
I think it was
Marlboro
yeah he was
a Marlboro man
was it
I think if you
live in a trailer
across the street
from a strip club
you have to be
a Marlboro man
so what you
need to do
is you need
to go to the
convenience store
next to the
strip club
and you need
to watch
this white
pasty kid
who doesn't
get much
fun
ordering
Marlboro's
who lives
in a trailer
you go up
to him
and say
oh
bitch
well see if you
were smart
you'd wait in
the strip club
because he's got
all this available
money from his
botnet
and then you're
just waiting
in the strip club
how would you
take his money
advertising on
people's computers
oh that's dirty
oh yeah
oh man
that's dirty
oh he's a son
of a bitch
you can whoop
his ass
at least we
know where
he lives
yeah we know
exactly where
he lives
anyway that was
a good interesting
part of
Stinky's talk
alright were there
any other fun
talks that were
there besides
coding 101
they had a lot
of great talks
personally I didn't
get a chance to
attend a lot of
them because I
was knee deep
actually not even
knee deep I was
in way over my
head in the
coding contest
their first annual
programming contest
of Interzone
so I get there
I'm all excited
I'm like yeah
I'm going to do
some cool system
programming
probably some
cool lead exploit
or something cool
and I get there
and it's a side
scrolling video game
and I have never
coded anything with
games ever in
my entire life
the rule is
you're not allowed
to use any game
engines or anything
so I bust out
with SDL
for C
which is the
graphics and audio
library so you
can make game
sprites and stuff
like that
so I had a
firefighting game
with perfect
bitmaps
it was very cool
the guy walked
around and he
jumped
I didn't have
enough time to
finish it with
like fire and
stuff
it was like
1500 lines of
code
spent the whole
time working on
it didn't finish
it and some
guy with 300
lines wrote it
in what was it
I'm going to
pronounce it
wrong
what is it
TCL
TK or something
like that
tickle
yeah
so that
in that
he did it
in 300
lines
and I came
in second
so that was
cool
granted there
were only two
participants
but that's not
important
no but they
had a bunch
of contests
this year
I think they
had two
capture the
flag contests
one was one
that went on
like for an
extended period
of time
and the other
one was
I think it
was a little
bit more
short term
and they were
going to have
a drunken
coding contest
as well
only that one
I actually won
I did win that
one because I'm
the only one
who came
you won by
default
oh that's so sad
I would have
totally gone
with that
I would have
brought my
bottle of tequila
in my laptop
and I would be
happy
yeah
but yeah
I guess everybody
was doing their
thing
I would have
violated my
rule of never
code drunk
because I did
code drunk
once
I was working
on like a
homework assignment
and I was
you know
I wouldn't say
I mean I was
drunk but I
wasn't like you
know completely
stumbling around
drunk off my
ass
and you know
I was coding
it and I was
doing oh yeah
this makes sense
makes sense
and I went to
bed that night
and I woke up
the next morning
and I looked
at all my code
and I looked
at it and said
what the hell
was I doing
and I kept
nothing from that
night
because it was
just it made
no sense
did it compile
yeah
it was compiled
but it just
didn't do anything
I didn't know
what the hell
some of it did
oh the voodoo
programming
it's always fun
oh yeah
it's like man
just I mean
it didn't
it didn't do
anything related
to what I
actually wanted
to do
you know what's
nice about
a contest
like that
is that you
actually get
to
like I
I'd never
done graphics
before
and I don't
think I ever
would have
naturally gone
over and done
it
but when
somebody presents
you like at
a conference
where somebody
presents you
with like
here's the
contest
give it a
shot
no it was
interesting
to take a
look at
graphics
you know
it kind
of makes
me miss
my command
line
interface
but
it's always
nice to
try something
new
and I think
that's the
real point
behind a
conference
is to be
exposed to
things that
you aren't
ordinarily
exposed to
and give
it a try
100%
so where
did you put
your fireman
game
I'm sorry
where did you
put your
game
is it up
for download
oh my
game
my game
is not
anywhere
close to
done
but I
did exchange
the source
code
I do
have a
tarball
the source
code
I guess
if somebody
really wants
it
they can
if that's
the consensus
I'll put it
on the forums
it's not that
big a tarball
I really think
you should
I think you
should release
it
hell yeah
if nothing
else
you know
just
hell yeah
you invest
in a weekend
to do it
do it
well you never
know
I might finish
it one day
and make a
million dollars
still open
source
just
slap the term
beta onto
it and
everyone will
be like
oh no
it doesn't
no one will
expect it to
work at all
and if it
compiles
you'll be
like oh
wow
it totally
compiles
the guy
walks around
and jumps
that's it
though
and there's
anything too
but I don't
have sound
on my laptop
what kind
of laptop
do you have
man
well no
it's actually
it's a newer
laptop
so the
Linux sound
this is a
long story
that for
the past
like nine
months
we've been
trying to
get sound
in Linux
on my
laptop
blah blah
blah
ancient compact
386 thing
that has no
sound card
no mouse
monochrome
display
8 megs of
ram
trackball
on a
laptop
yeah
all the
early laptops
used to have
trackballs
before they
had touchpads
oh yeah
god
I feel old
oh yeah
no no
like the
compacts
I remember
this one
there was
the one
that actually
clipped onto
the side
of the laptop
there was
a fancy
trackball
that flipped
on the side
and it was
like a semicircle
and it was
kind of ergonomic
you had the
button and
then there
was some
other button
and you
operate the
ball with
your thumb
those were
the shit
man
so you
were used
to
you were
good at
that
yeah
we also
went to a
talk
go ahead
we only have
like seven
minutes left
so let's
let's wrap
it up
oh one
more
we went to
a talk
that was
this older
fella
had a beard
bald head
I can't
remember what
his name
was
I was
looking on
the site
couldn't
see it
but he
had a
tool
that
he added
to a
like a
BART
speed
disk
and you
put it
in
and you
reboot
the
computer
and
two or three
minutes later
it would say
boom or bam
or something
and then you
restart the
computer and you
go away
and what that
does
is that
do you remember
what I'm talking
about Ziggy
are you talking
about the one
who's replaced
the onboard
keyboard
yeah
with a command
shell
yeah
that actually
presentation
was originally
given at
defcon
and he
also made
a tool
the long
story short
is he
reboots
replaces the
on-screen
keyboard
which you
can always
open
regardless of
whether you
are actually
logged in
with the
shell
and the
shell would
execute with
system
privileges
meaning that
you basically
are the
total owner
and he also
released the
tool
he didn't
give out the
tool last
time but the
tool allows you
to usurp
any other
user
was this
the bald
guy
the guy
with the
sunglasses
yeah
the insecure
workstation
too
yeah
that's
that one
yeah
that guy
knows his
shit
yeah
definitely
he's a cool
guy
and I always
look forward
he always is
very funny
he's an excellent
presenter as
well
oh you know
we have to
mention
how great
Stank was
in his
walking
abilities
yeah
you cut
the notes
Stank
fell and
nearly died
in all
cap
that's
totally
why
he was
walking
down
the street
okay
because you
know
Stank has
a saying
you can never
get between
a dog and
his bone
so when
Stank's hungry
you know
there's no
stopping him
and he
could clearly
see Piccadilly's
Piccadilly
cafeteria
so here he is
standing in the
middle of the
street
the lights
about to
change
he says
just run
for it
so he
starts running
across the
street
and right
when he
gets to the
edge
he looks
up at the
light
sees that
it's red
starts tripping
up and does
a total face
plant
and flies
for like
I don't
know
a foot
or two
kind of
stumbles
back to his
feet
like all
stunned
he's all
cut up
and bruised
so he's
okay now
but it's
funny in
retrospect
you had to
see it
it was very
classic
me and
Ponyboy
got to
witness it
it was
great
and as soon
as I put
my pictures
up
you'll be
able to
see all
the rashes
and
strawberries
or whatever
they're
called
all over
him
but a
speedy
recovery
we all
wish
to Stank
because I'm
sure he's
very lonely
without being
able to
use his
hands
so okay
so just
you Logosex
I mean
you Logosex
Super Katie
Droops
Mrs. Droops
Stank
what else was
there
Ponyboy
anybody else
that we know
wow
I mean there
were a lot
of people
Rocket
of course
he
actually
you know
what
let's just
say that
a big
thank you
to Rocket
who puts
on the
event
every year
despite
you know
some
pressures
he does
an excellent
and the
entire
inner zone
staff
where they
were all
absolutely
excellent
and you know
I wish we had
time to say
something about
everybody
but they were
definitely a
great staff
and it's an
excellent conference
that is definitely
worth checking out
yeah I gotta say
Rocket is a cool
guy
Stank introduced
me to him
at DEFCON
and he was
really friendly
you know
came right up
shook my hand
talked to me
and we chatted
for about
a good 15
minutes of just
how you know
not that he was
a noob
and it was pretty
cool
not there
or was it
someone else
I think it
was not there
but yeah
Rock is definitely
a cool guy
so yeah
we met a guy
named Rick
D-A-K-A-N
Rick Dacken
I want to say
and he wrote a
book called
Geek Mafia
which is for
free at his
website
you can download
the PDF
which is
rickdacken.com
and I just
read the book
r-i-c-k
d-a-k-a-n
dot com
okay
yeah
off the
go give him
a plug
it was a good
book
yeah
it's more
about
it's about
it's called
Geek Mafia
but it's more
about like
con men
kind of thing
it's set
in present
times
it kind of
resembles truth
it's pretty
good
sweet
alright
it looks like
we are pretty
much out of
time
so
announcements
anyone
oh we have
unveiled
Hack TV
Underground
it's the
brand new
show
from
Binary
Revolution
you should
check it
out
www.binrev.com
slash
Hack TV
it is the
new
new show
from Hack TV
Underground
the first one
is only a couple
of minutes long
it explains
the whole
premise
the proof
of concept
for the
show
and really
we want
to get
everybody
to check
it out
and contribute
so that
we can get
a nice
cool new
show
I don't
want to give
away too
many of
the details
because I
want everybody
to have to
watch the
three minute
clip
and it's
got a couple
of funny
jokes in it
so it's
not just
me being
boring
I promise
so check
that out
alright
I personally
don't have
any announcements
but
Cy Pete
in the
IRC channel
is wondering
if anyone
in north
central
Florida
are going
to spring
break
so
for whatever
that's worth
who asked
that
in the
IRC channel
alright
oh yeah
IRC channel
IRC dot
binrev
I'm sorry
IRC dot
freenode dot
net
pound
binrev
we're on
freenode
now
you know
yes
come on
over
um
shouts
troops
do you
have any
shouts
to everyone
that is linked
to from
infanomicon
dot org
and especially
pony boy
for trying to
come on the
show
for 30 seconds
pony boy
I completely
forgot about
pony boy
but I guess
he had phone
trouble
no I think
that's my
phone trouble
new aster's
box and all
no that's
sucks
sorry pony boy
maybe we'll
have you on
later
um
nerd or
something
let's hope
he has
something to
talk about
then
uh
zigman do you
have any
shouts
uh
quick shout
to my
traveling
companions
super kt
and uh
logos
and uh
his brother
and of course
all our
binrevers
and once again
to the staff
at innerzone
it was an
excellent
conference
we'll see
everybody again
next year
logos x
with elite
driving
skills
strong
do you
have any
shouts
to mark
spencer
mark has
made my
day
he sent
you flowers
not quite
um
not quite
um
i don't think
i have any
shouts
actually
shouts
to stank
dog
for giving
a very
cool
presentation
and hack
soaring
people
who own
botnets
or something
and uh
shouts
to dr
zingman
and droops
for coming
on tonight
thank you
very much
thanks for
having us
hey thanks
guys
all right
our closing
music
tonight
is um
it's
what's
oh
sorry
is it
strong
singing
something
no
it's
the
i think
it's like
the star
fox
um
it's
you don't even
know what the hell
it's called
it's the
space cowboys
remix from
star fox
uh
can you sing it
i don't know
the tune
but it sounded
cool so i
downloaded it
all right
so
if there's
nothing else
uh yeah
email email
email is radio
at binrev.com
completely forgot
to say that
as always
it's radio
at binrev.com
email us
actually email
is starting to
become an issue
we're starting
to get a lot
of spam
like you know
for like
half our
messages this
week were
spam
i was very
disappointed
so uh
yeah just
go ahead and
email us or
whatever
and as always
we will see you
next week
same hack time
same hack
channel
bye
yo
bye
yo
Thank you.