This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.
I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you
in a fag pose.
In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold.
I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable.
On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero.
In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle.
Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug.
I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.
Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.
You feel that rattling your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones?
And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crickets.
Serial code, source code, ISOs, RAMs, SIPs, SIPs.
This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack.
Hmm.
Hello! Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio.
Helps when you tell if you take yourself off mute.
Yes, it does help.
Yeah, we'll just have to edit that one out of the, uh...
Yeah, I was like, I was like, I'm talking, I'm here, here's Ponyboy.
And I'm like, oh wait, he can't hear me.
Yeah, I'm a noob.
Figures.
Okay, well, anyway, welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 143.
I'm Black Ratchet.
Today's air date is April 11th, 2006.
I'm getting a tense feeling of deja vu while I'm dealing with this.
Strom isn't here tonight, and with us this evening is Ponyboy.
Hello.
Wow, it actually worked this time amazing.
And, uh, also tonight is Nightlord.
What's up, y'all?
Yeah, and, uh, yeah, Strom isn't with us this evening.
He's, uh, currently taking the evening off.
He has got, he's our man about town.
He's got a call away with a couple of social calls,
and, you know, everyone's entitled to have a nice little life.
And, uh, allegedly, we're supposed to be streaming,
because he set up this, you know, super cool cron job,
but, uh, who knows if it works.
So, if it doesn't work, it's Strom's fault.
Please blame him.
Stromcarlson at gmail.com.
And that'll make it two weeks in a row where we haven't streamed.
Ooh, that's, that's bad.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
Oh, well, the archives will be updated.
Hopefully.
Hopefully we'll be too drunk to do that.
No.
Ah, so, how you guys doing this evening?
Doing all right.
Yeah, pretty good.
Recuperating.
Yeah, tonight's topic is the Nauticon wrap-up.
And, uh, both Nightlord and Ponyboy.
Now, now you both presented at Nauticon?
I know you both went, and I'm pretty sure you both presented, right?
Yes, yes, we both presented, yeah.
I, I, I just wanted to make sure before I attempted to say that.
And, so, yeah.
I mean, not, no, not much for the housekeeping tonight.
We got all kinds of juicy Nauticon tops, you know, and, and a hell of a lot of mail this
evening.
Yeah, I noticed that.
There was a lot of mail.
Yeah.
I, I was kind of shocked.
I, like, I, I logged into the mail, and all of a sudden, like, it seems like, radio at binrev.com
has 13 new messages.
And I was like, whoa.
That, that, that was, that was pretty hefty.
I don't think we ever got 13 messages.
Of course, I think, like, um, I, I, I, I would think about, like, six, five or six messages
were spam.
We, we're actually starting to have a bad spamming problem on the, uh, radio at binrev.com
email address.
So, that's something that is slightly annoying.
Yeah, we've been running into similar problems via my, uh, the Belcore radio stuff.
Mainly, not actually spam.
We've been getting a lot of phishing emails lately.
Mm-hmm.
It's very, very interesting to me.
Apparently, I have, uh, a bank account at banks I've never heard of, so.
I, I get those, too.
I, like, I always, I, I actually, I actually find it, I always find it amusing when I, I
pop it up, and, like, I get, like, like, like PayPal, and it says, oh, your PayPal account's
been suspended.
And, uh, I, I open it up, and it's sort of, like, you know, you know, PayPal.ru, and I'm
like, okay, yeah, sure, you're, you're, you're illegal.
Yeah, I, I, uh, I found it quite funny that, uh, I, I moused over the link that it told
me to go to, to, you know, unlock my, my Chase credit card, or whatever, which I don't
have, and, uh, it was to some IP address dot, or, like, slash, like, miscellaneous slash
chase dot php, or something similar.
That's not obvious.
That's not obvious at all.
Well, for, for most people, people don't check the URL, they just, like, oh, it's
from Chase Banks, there's the Chase logo, it must be good.
Yeah, yeah.
Just click on this link, and everything will be all right.
Yes, well, we'll, we'll, we'll send you lots of money, and, and we'll, we'll unlock
your account, and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, phishing, phishing's annoying.
Of course, if you're interested in learning about phishing, I heartily recommend you to
listen to the Bin Rev episode on phishing, which was episode 130-something.
Lord only knows which one it is.
But it's a fun episode, you should listen to it.
Listen to all of them.
Listen to all of them between 130 and 140, so.
Yeah, all of them.
Really, you should listen to, like, all of the, all of the episodes, it's just a rule.
And I've also just been informed since we're not streaming, so technically I don't have
to bridge any of the music in, because Strom can just add it during post-production.
Huzzah!
Hooray.
Yeah.
Damn it, Strom, you suck.
Yes, Strom, Strom's not here this evening, he's out again, like I said, so he tried to
set everything up on automatic, and as always, all this computer stuff just fails.
And actually, I'm making sure that he actually, just his insurance, I'm making sure that we're
actually recording this episode.
I think we're recording it in two places.
I'm recording it on the super, on his computer, and I'm mostly recording it on mine, so.
Who knows what will happen?
Huh.
Anyway, shall we go into the email?
Sounds like a plan.
Yeah.
Our first email tonight is from Powdered Snow.
Now, in case you don't remember, Powdered Snow emailed us that week about a payphone in
the middle of nowhere.
And he says, a follow-up about the payphone in the forest.
I checked with TELUS, and they would not give me the original location of the payphone.
I had a hunch that it may have come from the Samalo Lodge, a gas station that had recently
burnt down near this area.
Then I phoned up TELUS again and asked if there was available payphone between Hope and Manning
Park, knowing that Samalo Lodge had just burned to the ground, and that is the only building
between these two places.
And after a lengthy on-hold session, they told me that there was a payphone at the back
of Samalo Lodge, but not give me the number.
I went back and checked for some photos I had taken of the burnt-down Samalo Lodge a few
weeks ago, and I did not see the payphone, but there was a concrete pad near the parking
lot, which looks like it could be a pipe sticking out.
So I'm assuming that's where the payphone was.
Thanks for your help.
I now realize that if you say things in the right way, even the biggest companies, TELUS,
will tell you enough to answer your questions.
Powdered Snow.
P.S.
I emailed the pictures to Strom Carlson, and it's okay to put them up on your website.
And I've got to say, Powdered Snow, good job finding that out like that.
And I've got to say, you were very spiffy actually figuring out that question of the phone
between Hope and Manning Park, was it I think it was?
Yes, yes.
That's what you said.
Yeah.
I've got to say, when I first read that email, I was like, that's a good idea.
Actually, it would be interesting if I actually could do that, and it would be something useful,
but...
That is...
I mean, that is...
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say, that is really like...
I mean, the best example I've heard of non-malicious social engineering.
Indeed.
Yeah.
I mean, that's really cool, because I wouldn't have thought of something like that.
No, I wouldn't have either.
It's just very impressive the way he did that all out.
And, I mean, I wouldn't...
Like I said, I definitely wouldn't have thought of something like that.
And just actually coming that up on the fly, and...
I'm actually kind of surprised they told him that, to be honest with you.
Yeah.
Yes, most payphone locations are a closely guarded secret.
But I figure if you, like I said, you ask them the right way, and they'll tell you anything.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It kind of...
Just the thought...
The idea of that payphone he's talking about reminds me a lot of the Mojave Desert payphone.
I don't know if you're familiar.
It really...
I am very familiar.
Yeah, I was...
I'm really looking forward to...
Apparently the guy who runs the Mojave phone booth website is writing a book, and I'm really excited about checking that one out.
But, I don't know.
Like, the idea of just a phone in the middle of nowhere that still works, at least.
I don't know if this one still worked.
Did it?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, it definitely worked, and it received incoming calls.
And it was very famous.
Okay.
Let me just...
Not to, you know, run you over here.
Oh, I'm actually...
Let me just explain this.
I'm actually talking about the one that this email is about, but...
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
This...
Oh, okay.
I thought you were talking about the Mojave payphone still.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
I know the Mojave payphone.
No, no.
The...
Well, for those of you guys who don't know, the Mojave payphone, basically, there used
to be a mine in the middle of the Mojave Desert, and back, like, in the 1950s, and these people
wanted a payphone, and they installed this payphone, and the mine closed in, like, the
1970s, and all of a sudden, like, in the 1990s, this person just stumbles across this payphone
in the middle of nowhere, because the mine closed, and there's nothing around the mine.
It's basically in the middle of the Mojave Desert.
And it was this giant cult thing where people would just go to the phone and answer it,
because everyone would be, like, calling it, trying to talk to the Mojave, this famous payphone.
And it was very interesting, and if you're actually into that sort of thing, the guy running
the Mojave payphone, I'm not sure if you know about this, Boney Boy, but there's a website
called phoneswarm.com, P-O-H-P-H-O-N-E-S-W-A-R-M.com.
Yeah.
We actually, on Bellcore Radio, we actually, that's a feature we try to have in every time
they ban a phone up on phone swarm.
We just kind of dedicate an episode to trying to reach people on it, so.
Actually, I've never, I've actually, I will admit, you were on my podcast when I had my Mac,
but you, you, I, I've, since I've not stopped using my Mac, I don't update my podcast anymore.
Yeah.
I just manually download off the hook every week.
Yeah, well, you're, you're not missing much, so that's okay.
Go ahead, just, just, just, just toss yourself a plug out there.
Okay, if you guys want to check out the phone, or the show, I should say, not the phone,
it's, uh, bellcorradio.net, and, uh, actually, if I can take a second to, uh, if you want
to learn more about the Mojave payphone, I went ahead and, in, uh, BinRev Radio style,
I tinyurled it for you.
Oh.
It's, uh, tinyurl.com slash, and I'm actually going to let Ratchet go through with his little
military speak for this, but it is, uh, N-A-T-X-U.
November Alpha Tango X-Ray Uniform.
Sounds good to me.
All right, our next email this week is, um, from Jolly Roger, and this is actually pretty
interesting, one that's popped into my, one that's popped into the inbox.
Hey, guys, I just wanted to say I really dig y'all's radio show, and it's, it's pretty,
W, no, not W, A, Y-A apostrophe L-L-S.
I also want to applaud you for your blurbs on your website as far as the term hacker and
that the media has butchered.
It's a damn shame that we can't sue the drama reporters, a.k.a.
journalists.
Let's be real.
It's not news anymore.
It's just another soap opera.
Anyway, our group has slowly faded due to getting older, taking care of our babies and such,
and we just wanted to, we only have an annual poker game in September, to which you guys
are invited.
Thanks for your time, guys.
Keep up the good work.
Oh, and your very last episode, your phone in, don't remember his name, was coming in
very strong.
Jolly Roger, and he actually includes his website, which is, uh, I tiny rolled it, in true bin
refresh, and as Ponyboy would say, uh, tinyroll.com slash Oscar Juliet 3 Papa Lima.
I couldn't tell if that was an L or one.
Well, I, I, I personally don't know jack about poker, but I'm sure if Strom's anywhere within
a hundred mile radius, Strom will, you know, beat a path to your door.
Yeah.
Strom does poker, in case you hadn't known.
Yeah, I, I'm very curious if this is, you know, the, the same Jolly Roger that, you
know, I think comes to a lot of people's minds when they hear that name, and, uh, I mean,
you know, did the guy who kind of did the, uh, the anarchist cookbook and all stuff like
that.
Well, he, he, if you go to his website, he's, like, part of, like, digitalpirates.com or
something.
Yeah.
Or something, so I, um, I'm, I'm curious.
I, I actually, I, I should email him back.
I, I really meant to do that, but I just haven't had the time yet.
So, yes, um, oof, I better take a nice swig of water in the middle of this one.
Our, our next email this evening is from DigitalDD, and it says, hello, Black Ratchet and Strom
Carlson.
First off, let me say, the soft phone that Strom was using made him sound very clear, but
his volume was much softer than Black Ratchet.
The sound was a little uneven, and, but it might just be an idiosyncrasy of my MP3 player.
On to the jizz mopping.
You mentioned some good tools for remove spyware, and it's very sound ideas, such as
host file blocking.
With indie users who aren't tech sappy, I prefer to block the bad stuff before it gets to their
system.
A great couple of good, free tools that have prevention features, like our spyware blaster,
tinyurl.com slash golf1delta9, spyware catcher, tinyurl.com slash alpha7foxzullohotel, and Microsoft
anti-spyware slash windowsdefender, tinyurl.com slash 4-7 charlieuniformsierra.
Spyware blaster is interesting because it only, because it protects Mozilla Firefox from tracking
cookies only, as well as IE.
What it does with IE is that it uses security zones by putting a known list of bad sites
in the restricted site zone, and it immunizes your system with lots of common infestations
by setting certain actions to prompt the user for confirmation.
You really only have to run this tool once on a clean system, update its signatures, and
immunize the machine to get a good idea of what it does.
There are tools out there that do the same thing.
One is IESpyAD, and the other is Agnes, A-G-N-I-S.
Both are free block lists for IE security zones, and they aren't as easy to use as spyware blaster,
but they get the job done.
Spyware catcher from T-E-N-E-B-R-I-L, Tenebril?
I guess you could call it that.
You know, sounds Nordic, is a free version of the commercial product that resides in
your system tray and prevents much of the malware out there from installing in the first
place.
As a bonus, it detects many of the common Windows rootkits out there today, which many good
antivirus applications out there do not.
Windows Defender slash Microsoft Anti-Spyware is basically the commercial version of giant
anti-spyware which Microsoft is offering to register Windows XP users for free!
It sits in the tray and prevents much spyware from installing in the first place.
It is not as good a spyware catcher, in my opinion, but it does its job well enough.
Lastly, one free removal tool that is becoming a favorite of mine is Hitman Pro, tinyroll.com
slash 9alpha2victor2, which basically just combines a bunch of free removal tools with some fancy
scripting so everything is done automatically once it is set up.
It includes the following.
AdWare FC 1.06, Spybot Church and Destroy 1.4, Spy Seeper Trials, Spyware Doctor 3.5 Trials,
CWS Shredder 2.19, Spyware Blaster 3.5.1, JScript Patch 1.01, Flash Player Security Upgrade,
WMF Security Upgrade, KB912919, Spyware Blocklist, NOD Antivirus 2.5, SysClean Package, SuperDAT from
Buyer's Scan from McAfee.
And it downloads each of these and guides the users through the installation and update process.
But what's really cool is you can run your scans.
Basically, you can start a scan.
I don't know.
Basically, you can start a scan before you go to bed and when you wake up, your system will be clean.
Why?
Because it scripts every process from checking all of the boxes, what to remove in AdWare and SE,
to closing out one app and starting a scan in another app.
Keep up the good work.
Regard, Digital DD.
He did a very good job of writing up right until the end.
I guess, personally, I mean, I was reading that correctly.
Yes, okay.
I mean, not to knock you, Digital DD.
Thank you very much.
The role of Strom Carlson this week will be played by a black ratchet.
No, that was a very well-written email, but I think he just had a couple of thoughts toward the end.
He was trying to wrap it up quick.
Yeah.
So, anyway.
Digital DD.
Oh, go ahead.
It's like that article or that email was like an article, like in the amount of detail it actually went into for all of this, which is amazing.
Actually, you know, that's a really good idea.
Someone should actually write an article on jizzmopping.
I should write an article on jizzmopping, and that way I can get everyone else to adopt my term, and I'll be just super cool.
It'll be the next buzzword in the IT field.
Yes, exactly.
I can just see it like myself on CNN headline news.
And here's black ratchet, who is apparently an expert in jizzmopping.
Hi, Cindy.
How are you doing today?
You just have to make sure that jizzmopping stands for something extremely cool when you make it.
Well, one of the ideas before BINREV meetings started, Koresh and I, we just wanted to set up sort of a – we wanted to set up our own little club for people to come to, and we could have official talks.
And so it would be like, you know, a professional hacker group.
Yeah, so, like, you know, Koresh and I, before BINREV meetings started up, we actually wanted to start up a sort of a, you know, a semi-professional, you know, computer security slash, you know, lead hacks or meetings where people would have presentations and information would be discussed.
It was rather than, you know, Boston 2600, which was really just more of a social gathering where we were trying to figure up a name.
And I was sitting on the train one day, and I was just trying to backronym something as in, like, you know, start with an acronym and try to figure out what we could call it.
And we actually – I did successfully come up with an acronym for Bukake.
Which was?
It was the Boston users of cool computers and crazy electronics, where the C's would be K's.
And I was just thinking, this term had infinite potential.
It's sort of like, you know, new Bukake report smears Microsoft, you know.
And, like, you know, we're talking about doing, like, charity work so we can get, like, headlines in the papers.
Like, you know, Bukake brings smiles to children's faces.
What was the third one?
I found, like, you know, three different headlines where it would just be absolutely, incredibly hilarious.
And I can't remember what the third one is.
It's Bukake hard at work to cure cancer.
Bukake does amazing things.
It's amazing.
It is quite amazing.
Yes.
But, yeah, that was it.
Bukake.
And we sadly never actually took off.
But I guess that's kind of a good thing.
Because imagine just, like, all these little, like, flyers plastered around your campus saying,
Bukake, tonight, come join us.
I wonder how many people you would have show up that didn't use computers.
Probably little Japanese people.
Oh!
Not the knock Japanese people.
So, yeah, I completely forgot what we were talking about.
So, you know, it was an awesome email.
And I actually completely forgot Microsoft's anti-spyware thing.
And personally, I really don't like it.
And I guess that's kind of why it had a mental blind spot in my head.
I actually, I really hate it because one time I had it on my laptop and my power was running low.
So it kicked into hibernation automatically.
And then when I tried to bring it back up, it wouldn't come up.
I had to actually reload it, do the system restore and reload it because.
Ouch!
Because the anti-spyware was, it was hung.
The process was hung.
And you couldn't kill it.
You couldn't go into, you know, the processes and kill it.
It wouldn't work.
So it would hang.
And you could reboot and everything, but it would still hang.
So I tried to get it to work for, like, three or four days straight, and it just didn't go.
And I said, fuck it.
You know, I just reinstalled everything.
But after that, I stopped using it because a lot of PCs, even, not even laptops,
they'll go into hibernation state once they've hit a certain point, you know.
And I don't know if that's a trend that happens every time.
I've never talked to anybody that that's happened to.
I mean, they've had it running and they went into hibernation.
So I'm interested to know if that's happened to anybody else.
So if it has, let me know.
I've never actually heard that happening, but that's kind of weird.
Yeah, it was.
I found it really odd.
So, yeah, I just stopped using it.
It's typical Microsoft fashion, though.
We just give that.
Yeah, as for the other tools, I've never heard of any of them.
No, no.
What was the one?
Spy Blaster, some shit like that?
Yeah, Spy Blaster.
Well, he listed literally like 30 of them.
Yeah.
I mean, you can really lose something in that list that he gave us.
My personal favorite, though, I really want to check out this Hitman Pro, and it really sounds pretty cool.
Well, I would stay away from that because it's got the Spy Sweeper and the Spyware Doctor trial in there.
And those are pain in the asses because I've used Spy Sweeper before to just, like, get rid of stuff right now and then uninstall it.
But it doesn't uninstall very well.
You have to go in and add the registry to be able to get it out.
And it's only like a 15-day trial.
So you only have 15 days of this thing before you're going to have to mess around with that stuff.
All right.
I hate programs like that.
Yeah, it's such a pain in the ass.
Oh, yes.
We're not going to uninstall correctly.
We're going to make you do the other things.
Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
And that's why I don't ignore it.
I'll get you, my pretty.
And your little spyware, too.
I hate software that uses that voice.
Exactly.
Remember, folks, if Windows XP says Microsoft, get out of the house.
It's not supposed to talk.
Okay.
Let's see.
Who's our next email from?
Our next email is from Graham.
Hiya.
In the response to your confusion in the latest BinRev radio, here's your answers.
Before decimalization in 1971, a shilling had a value of 12 pence and was equal to 1 20th of a pound.
There were 240 old pence to the pound.
Post-decimalization, a shilling refers to the 5 pence coin, which is still worth 1 20th of a pound,
because there were 100 new pence in a pound.
And it's en.wikipedia.org slash wiki slash shilling.
And I didn't tell you where all that, and you can look it up yourself.
Doctor Who started in 1963, so quite a long time before decimalization.
Before you go on again on how daft the non-decimal currency was, I'd like to take this chance to point out that your currency is,
our currency is older than your country.
In the U.K., if a phone number starts at 0, it is expected to be an 11-digit number.
0-N-N-N-N-X-X-X-X-X.
If it starts with a 1, then it's a network code and not a phone number.
And anything else is a local call.
Not sure if local calls can start with a 9 or not, due to 999 being emergency services.
0-845 is a special code that costs local call rates to dial no matter where you are in the country.
It's not as simple as one pence per minute, since it depends on the time of the day.
But at 2 a.m. on a Tuesday night, it is one pence per minute.
It's three pence per minute peak rate on British Telecom, apparently.
One pence all other times.
In the U.S. dollars, that works to just out under just under two cents a minute, so hardly a lot of money.
Far more than I was expecting to write, so sorry if I put you to sleep.
So, let's see, if it's one pence a minute, that would mean that it is one-twentieth of a pound per minute, because, you know.
And I'm just not going to, I'm not even going to go there, never mind.
I'm not saying sorry something.
No, five pence coin, because a shilling is, oh, see, I get it wrong again.
Oh, man.
But how much is a quid?
Um, I believe, no, it's, is it a quid, I think a quid, oh, God.
Okay, Graham, here's your homework.
How much is a quid, and what is it?
Well, I, I, I think, I don't know.
I'm not even going to bother.
Yeah.
Half a crown is half a pound, and that was, that was, I'm not even sure if they still use that.
I remember that from Scrooge.
Yeah.
Or the Christmas Carol, or something like that, because a crown, because the, the coin
for the pound had the crown on it, so half a crown would be half a pound, I believe.
And, um, I, I, I, no, a quid is a pound.
Okay.
I think.
I believe.
And the only reason I know that is from Bastard Operator from Hell, which you should all read.
Personally, I thought the Doctor Who episode I saw was like, you know, I mean, it wasn't,
I would say it was at least mid to late 70s.
Maybe they were in the wrong time or something.
There we go.
That could be it.
It's quite, you know, that's what, that, that's what happens when you have a time traveling show.
Oh, see, uh, it's 1963, but actually in this episode, we were in 1972.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
And the, uh, I gotta say, the, the UK dialing system is sort of insane.
Yeah.
Yeah, it, it, that kind of lost me a little bit.
Yeah, I, I don't know what the heck the network code thing he's talking about is, but we will
just sort of smile and nod and say, thank you, Graham.
And, actually, you did do a very good job explaining the, uh, British monetary system.
Um, so, let's see, who's our next email from?
Our next email is from Major.
Good day.
I would like to comment on Ratchet's comments about the cloudy weather.
Please tell them that he is not sick.
Well, that's good to know.
Um, I also enjoy Seattle, Britain, London type rainy cloudy weather.
I've enjoyed it since I was younger.
On another sick note, sunshine makes people happy and tends to bring out Joe Sixpacks and
Sally punch clocks out to the park to engage in searing, senselessly slaughtered pork and
beef parts with the charcoal on large metal grates.
Er, go, the cloudy days will keep this troglodyte ilk inside their house where they belong.
More livestock would not be eaten.
If I had a chance, I would walk the sun like Mr. Burns.
Major.
Well, first off, Major, thank you very much for telling me I'm not sick.
I'm glad to know that.
I actually did, I have run into one person who is like me at work, or at least she understands
where I'm coming from.
So, I know that at least I wasn't alone.
And also, for the record, true barbecue aficionados pay no attention to the weather when practicing
their craft.
Rain, shine, snow, sleet, hail, dangerous radiation, bombings, open war, nuclear, biological, chemical
attacks, weapons of mass destruction in the backyard, etc.
They are all just minor annoyances for putting a large slab of dead animal on the grill and
cooking it to perfection.
Actually, the two stories I do like to talk about is my friend's mom used to regularly
tell him during the winter.
Now, I mean, like, you know, middle of snowstorms.
Like, you know, go out and shovel the grill, Steve.
You know, we're grilling tonight.
And he'd take the shovel and he'd shovel out the deck and get it to the grill.
And actually, my fiancé's mom has put on a rain jacket with the hood up in the middle
of a pouring rainstorm to go out and grill.
So, true aficionados.
She does a good job, too.
It's not, like, wet or anything.
Well, I think we've successfully represented opposite ends of the barbecue spectrum from the
person who wrote the email who, you know, wishes that no one would ever eat an animal to
the person who braves the freaking, you know, end-of-the-world weather just to go outside
and have some ribs or something.
Exactly.
I'll be, like, cooking ribs when the four horsemen of the apocalypse go fly by.
Hey, guys, do you want some?
Hey, you know, it's up there.
Famine.
Famine needs some food.
You know, give it to him.
Also, I've got to say, have you guys ever heard of the term Sally Punch Clocks?
No, never.
No.
Neither have I, but really, I should actually Google that and see who uses it.
But it's really, it's just too cool for me not to start stealing and use it myself.
So, I'll try to give proper credit and measure there, but that's where it all is.
Well, I can honestly tell you that a Google search for Sally Punch Clocks turns up two results.
Oh, really?
What are those two results?
How about we just ask that right on the show right now?
Um, they are both at thelareggeaclubs.com.
And I'm pretty sure they're both the same page.
Oh, yeah.
Well, no, they're not actually, if you Google, like, you know, Sally Punch Clocks, or for, like, you know, an exact term, nothing shows up.
So, I guess Major is the coiner of this term.
Well, there you go.
He will be the next, uh, the next jizzmopper.
Yeah, exactly.
Jizzmopper's just infinitely cooler than that.
You can't even compare the two.
Jizzmopping's just super 31337.
Well, maybe if it's a, maybe if they're a jizzmopping Sally Punch Clock.
There we go.
No, well, you've got to do the jizzmopping for the Sally Punch Clocks and the Joe Six Packs, because they don't know how to do that themselves.
There you go.
There we go.
So, the two terms can be linked together.
Okay, who's our next email from this evening?
Next email.
Actually, no, this one's anonymous.
So, I know there was a place to look up property values in Texas.
I am sure every state has one.
And I include this link, tinyurl.com, slash, Mike6VictorCharlieLima.
And this is for Bayer County, and it's actually spelled E-E-X-A-R.
The X just makes it extra cool, I guess.
Yes, it's one of those elite counties.
It's Bexar.
I thought I would give you the info.
Do a search on property address to search for 523 Ravenswood.
That would be the home I grew up in back in the 80s.
Ta-ta for now.
P.S. What's the odd place the odd my dad worked for most of the 90s is California was on 333 Ravenwood Ave.
All right.
Just in case you were actually curious about that.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Now that this guy has successfully anonymously dropped his docs.
There we go.
I could look at, like, you know, property records and find out, you know, back in the 80s he was living there.
It would be super cool like that.
And then, of course, just...
I believe he sent the email with his real name, so it's not that much of an issue.
Then, well, for the listeners, if you want to own this guy...
No, no, no.
Life is too short to drop docs.
I believe every state or county or city or municipality does have one of these.
Maybe it's not online, but I'm pretty sure they have to have one for tax purposes.
I think every state has a property tax, I believe.
Who knows?
It's just a matter of finding it, you know, whether they actually have it published online or, you know, it's just...
Some places basically just have these huge books for every year listing every address and what their property value is.
Personally, I'm not sure if they do this in other states.
Perhaps you guys might know.
But in Massachusetts, every year they have to publish it in the local newspaper.
So every year, you know, they're in, like, you know, the Boston Globe, there is a large section on property taxes for this year and what everyone, you know, is worth.
And it's actually pretty interesting.
I've never noticed anything like that anywhere around here in Georgia.
You know, I rent, so I don't even really care.
Well, actually, my personal favorite in Massachusetts is that every year they also...
I'm not sure if it's a state law or just done by the local papers, but when they release the delinquent taxpayers, the local newspaper publishes it.
So I just find that a hoot.
And basically, I just go through, oh, man, I graduated with him.
He was an asshole.
He owes the feds, like, $50,000.
Yeah, this is cool, and it's also, like, you know, fun to poke at.
But I really fail to see a real use for it, I guess, you know, besides being nosy on your neighbors.
Yeah.
Oh.
All right.
Let's go into show and tell here.
Nightlord, what have you been up to this week besides going to Nauticon?
Well, that was really about it.
Like, the last two months have been preparation for Nauticon, so...
Nauticon, Nauticon, Nauticon?
Yeah, basically.
Okay.
I'm just getting everything ready and stuff, but as a direct, I don't know, I lost the word there.
I had it for a second, but because of Nauticon, I actually got into a new hobby, which is lock picking.
And I've been picking, like, every damn lock I've seen.
And earlier, I actually picked the lock on the safe at work, which was kind of cool.
So that's about what I've been doing other than the Nauticon goodness, which we'll talk about.
Now you have to up the AT.
You have to, like, do it upside down or suspended from the ceiling, old James Bond style.
Yeah, I don't know.
And it's kind of crazy because I never picked up a lock pick before in my life, before Saturday.
And then I went up to the con suite where the guys from the lock picking talk were setting up shop and selling their wares and whatnot.
And I bought a set, and somebody handed me a padlock and was like, here, try it in, like, 30 seconds.
And I was like, whoa, now that's got to be a fluke.
So I took another one, and the same thing happened.
And I was like, okay, and there, DOS man and Zach from the Packet Stiffers, they actually had a video game that they created.
Well, they put it in an arcade game cabinet, and, you know, that's got locks on it for the coins and stuff.
So I picked those locks and got some nice little photos of me crouching down next to the doors after I opened them and stuff.
So that was pretty cool.
Well, that's not bad.
We'll have to talk about the lock picking thing come to the actual specific show topic.
That actually sounds pretty cool.
Yeah.
Ponyboy, what have you been up to?
Well, personal hacking story type stuff.
Yeah.
Well, I've actually got a – I guess it's hacking.
It's personal urban exploration stories.
That classifies in hacking.
Go right ahead.
It was actually, you know, it was at Nauticon.
Me and Droop – well, me and Droops decided we were going to do some urban exploration.
Mm-hmm.
And because it turns out the elevators run all the way down into the service basement and stuff.
Mm-hmm.
So we go down to the service basement, and, you know, we're walking around.
Droops has his video camera and everything so we can send it into Hack TV or whatever later.
And we came across a pay phone just, like, kind of down in this hallway that's, like, just this employees-only hallway.
Mm-hmm.
And I look –
You better have submitted to the Apple.
Actually, I didn't have a camera to get a picture of it.
I'll try to get a screenshot out of the video that's decent.
Well, do you have the number?
That's all that really matters.
Actually, yes, I do.
Okay.
So that –
Yeah.
Unfortunately, it doesn't accept incoming calls, which made me quite sad.
But I was looking –
Can't have everything.
Yeah.
I was looking at the pay phone, and, you know, it's Ohio, so it's serviced by the little AT&T SBC thing.
SBC and T-South?
Yeah.
The SBC AT&T.
But I was looking at it, and on the coin box, I don't know – I think – does Verizon have it so they'll have their little logo on their coin box?
Yeah.
I know Bell South had it when they had pay phones.
Yeah.
That's pretty common.
Yeah.
This one had a logo on it, but I was surprised in that it wasn't an SBC logo or an AT&T logo.
It was actually an Ohio Bell.
Ooh.
And I proceeded to shit my pants.
I'm sure troops love that.
Yes.
That was amazing.
So we got a lot of good video footage of that one for – to send in to Hack TV or Hack TV Underground or whatever.
That's pretty cool.
Actually, I think it was in Ohio.
Maybe it was – no, it was Michigan Bell, wasn't it?
And it was a phone up in Salt St. Marie.
It's actually on Yappel.
You can find it.
And it had a nice little Michigan Bell on its –
I've seen that phone.
I know exactly what one you're talking about.
Oh, wow.
Because I'm actually from Michigan.
And I went up there all the time as a kid, and I know exactly what phone you're talking about.
Oh, really?
That's kind of creepy.
You've actually seen the phone itself?
Yes.
Ooh.
I know what one you're talking about because it's the only one that's got a Michigan Bell stick around it.
Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
Whoa, man.
Yeah, man, that's kind of creepy.
Well, I mean, around here, you occasionally see, like, you know, Bell Atlantic or something else.
Actually, the one time I – actually, no, I wasn't – that one was – the only time I've actually seen something like New England Telephone is on a little, like, medallion in the upper left where it's usually that button to increase the volume.
Yeah.
That's the only thing I've really seen.
Allegedly, one of my friends who works for the government – oh, ho, ho, ho – he's a contractor.
And the phone in his base, one of the payphones, has a New England Telephone coin box on it.
And I was like, oh, man, you need to sneak a camera in there and take a picture of it.
And he's like, no, I could be arrested for that.
And I was like, oh, okay.
But isn't it worth it?
I mean, seriously.
Not for him.
I mean, he finds payphones amusing now, but not enough to make him get fired and, you know, go to federal pounding in the ass prison.
Yeah.
That's understandable.
I don't even find payphones worth that much trouble.
I don't know.
I can't really say it's because of the past.
If an opportunity presented itself where I had a trespass to get a nice set off a payphone or see something that was very interesting, I might have, you know, done it, possibly, in one chance.
Yeah.
That could be it.
As for me, what have I been doing?
I mean, I've been doing just more data mining stuff, and I'm almost done with that.
And I'm seriously, if I have to, like, you know, start assigning weights to a variable column again and, you know, checking out typos and running clerical error matches on it, oh, my God, I'm going to scream.
I'm so glad tomorrow or the day after I'm going to be done with this nonsense, ready to kill people.
Yeah.
And seriously, working with databases and trying to link them up and match records, seriously, you find out that people can't do data entry, period.
Like, you know, there's certain fields where it's, you know, enter the address, and you see a phone number.
I'm like, what the hell is up with that?
And also, like, you know, transposing digits and people not double-checking their work.
Oh, it just drives me batty.
Yeah, people are stupid.
People are stupid, and just, you know, that's what it is.
All right.
So, on to the show topic.
Now, we already talked about Nauticon, so technically, I guess we're continuing on there.
So, how, just to sum up Nauticon very nicely, how, well, first off, what is Nauticon?
Nauticon is...
It's not just a hacker con, right?
No, it's really different.
It's not...
Everybody's got that hacker spirit, but it's not all about hacking.
Everybody's just...
It's more like a gathering of like-minded people.
I mean, there's so much stuff going on there.
But it's not generally like the bigger cons, like DEF CON or whatever.
It's not...
I mean, there isn't that hardcore, you know, isolate themselves in the corner kind of people,
and there's not the, you know, oh, let's just get trashed the whole weekend kind of people either.
Everybody's at a really happy medium.
And there's a lot of artsy stuff going on, and music, and a bunch of different stuff.
So, but it was really good, and I'm really glad that I went.
This was your first conference, right?
Yes, this was actually my first conference, and it was rather convenient because Cleveland's only about an hour and a half away from here.
So, it was really nice.
Cody, what was your impression of the conference?
Well, I mean, I can kind of agree and kind of disagree with some of the stuff Knight was said.
Like, I mean, there were a lot of people who, you know, like he said, it wasn't, you know...
There were, I mean, there were people who shut themselves up in their rooms.
I mean, I don't know why they went to the con, because they spent, you know, 95% of their time sitting in their rooms.
Yeah, there was a few people.
Even on your guys' floor, there was one room where I saw the people sitting outside in the hotel hallway on their laptops,
but I never once saw them downstairs, so...
Yeah.
But then also, I noticed there were people who were just there getting unbelievably drunk,
because Droops was at the con.
So, I mean, Droops came to the con.
And if Droops was there, you have to get an unbelievably drunk?
Oh, no, he does.
Oh, okay.
Droops has to get unbelievably drunk even when he's not at the cons, though.
Well, I didn't witness any of that.
The couple of times that I saw him at DEFCON, he was sober.
I guess that's kind of a rarity there.
Of course, he was with Mrs. Droops, so...
Yeah, that must have been what it is.
She kept him in line.
Yeah, so was Mrs. Droops at Nauticon?
No, she was at Inner Zone.
She was not at Nauticon.
But, yeah, I mean, I liked it.
I mean, I've been to...
I guess this is my third con I've been to.
And so far, it's my favorite one.
I mean, I just like the atmosphere is a lot better.
The drive isn't so fun.
But the atmosphere is a lot better.
So, okay, you're from...
You said you were from Georgia?
Yeah, I live in Atlanta.
Okay, so, boy, that's quite...
Yeah.
So, how did you get there?
Did you...
I drove.
You drove.
I drove about 11 hours both ways.
Oh, my God, you're insane.
One sitting or just like one day or did you do a...
Yeah, just straight shot.
Woo-hoo!
I left about 2 o'clock on Thursday afternoon and got there about 2 o'clock on Friday morning.
You, sir, are insane.
How much did that cost, you guess-wise?
About 120 both ways.
Wow.
Which one?
You could have...
You could have flown for that.
Oh, yeah.
I realized that afterwards.
Like, I hadn't factored in.
I was supposed to have some people that were riding with me, but...
Oh.
He...
Well, it was really one person that was supposed to be riding with me, and he was supposed
to be staying in the room with me and all the rest of us from Infonomicon.
But he decided at the last minute that he couldn't go.
So I was like, well, there goes, you know, half the gas money, so...
That sucks.
Yeah, I mean, driving alone for that, that's another thing.
But just like, you know, when it's like two people to split it with or three people or
more, it starts actually becoming a little more worthwhile, as long as you have a reliable
car.
Yeah.
Nightlord, how did you...
Where is it?
You're in where?
Fremont, Ohio.
Okay.
So you're supposed to have been rather close.
Yeah, it's damn close.
And, yeah, Droops and Iron Geek and Low Tech Mystic drove up here Wednesday, and they crashed
at my place Wednesday night and Thursday night, and then we all took a caravan to Cleveland
Friday morning.
Convoy.
We got a great big con.
Well, it was two cars.
Break all your little CVs out and, like, put on your truck right out.
We were going to do some cool stuff.
We were going to, because Droops has got a computer in his truck, and we were going to
set up, like, ad hoc Wi-Fi connection and have Jabber on there and, like, talk back and
forth between the two cars.
But we ended up running out of time and didn't get a chance to do that.
Yeah, but we were going to be all geeky out on the road, but...
Yeah, that's...
Well, actually, on the DEF CON fact, they actually tell you, for the love of God, don't do this.
We've gotten into...
We've heard many stories about people following each other too close and getting into accidents.
And I guess that's kind of a correct way of looking at it.
Yeah.
Well, I had it all planned out.
See, I got a desk-mountable vice that I can mount on my dashboard, and I have a directional
can antenna, and that actually puts out a good amount of power.
And I was just going to mount that vice on my dashboard and have the can pointed directly
at Droops' truck, and then hopefully it would have been a better freak or a better signal.
But we never got a chance to play with that, so I don't know how that was going to turn
out, but maybe next year.
Yeah.
Because a lot of caught happens every year.
Yep.
That's like stealing CB radios and stuff back from truckers.
Yeah, CB radios are cool, but we got freaking Wi-Fi, biatch.
That's right.
Some little Jabber's Pack is out there.
Breaker, breaker, Jabber, Jabber.
Just talking trucker speak the entire time.
You got here, the rubber duck.
All right, so this is at a hotel?
Yeah, it was at a Holiday Inn.
Holiday Inn Express.
Express.
Oh, did you feel like super smart when you woke up in the morning?
Well, I was just going to say that.
It's like as soon as we walked in the door, we were all like super smart.
And then when we all left, we were like zombies.
Yeah, it's like an ideal place for a hacker con, then, if you really think about it.
Because, I mean, seriously, I woke up every morning, did brain surgery.
You know, I built, you know, rockets that could fly humans to Pluto.
Wow.
But I got back here, and I couldn't even tie my own shoes.
Phew, damn, that sucks.
Yeah, I was flying helicopters around Cleveland and all that, and then I couldn't even hold my cock to piss when I got here, so.
I really didn't want to picture that, but thank you anyway for mentioning that.
You don't even know what I look like, so it's okay.
Yeah, and quite frankly, I still just don't want to picture you holding your, you know, your wee-wee.
Yeah, well, that's not going to be true.
Holding out there, a little night lord, up into the wind.
Yeah.
So, I mean, the hotel was nice?
I mean, was it good size?
How big was the convention?
I think that's what I'm trying to drive at.
Well, there was like 250 people, I think Froggy said, ended up showing up.
And, well, we had two rooms for the talks, and then one room that was like the common room, and then a little hallway.
And then, but the hotel itself was, it was 18 floors, plus I think there was floors you couldn't get to because there was keys in the elevator.
Ooh, that sounds like a challenge.
Well, you know, if I would have been thinking about it.
I know, like I was about to say, I mean, all the stuff you could pick, and you didn't pick those.
Yeah, if I would have been thinking about it, I would have at least tried it.
I probably wouldn't have been able to do it, but.
I know, I know the elevators did skip from floor two to floor 14, or excuse me, floor 12 to floor 14.
So.
They forgot?
Say what?
What did you say? They forgot?
No, they skipped from floor 12 to floor 14.
Oh, they skipped, okay.
So they didn't have a 13th floor, technically.
But there was a, there was a key switch.
Oh, a lot of places do that.
Yeah, that's actually kind of common.
Yeah, a lot of places do that.
I've actually, I've actually never seen one like that.
Really?
I've heard about a lot of them, but around in Atlanta and stuff, we don't really have that kind of, you know.
I guess we're just not quite as superstitious down here or what, but.
Atlanta lives life on the edge.
That's who you get for hanging out with Theocracy.
He's just super elite like that.
All right.
So, you both did presentations, right?
Yep.
Yes.
Okay.
So, Ponyboy, what, what, what, I mean, what was your presentation about?
Well, I did a presentation about the general history of telecommunications and pay phones and phone freaking and stuff like that.
Which, it was okay.
That's actually pretty, I mean, so, how'd it go?
You said it was okay.
I mean, were people like throwing rotten tomatoes at you?
No, I mean, it, it, it was good.
Not a lot of people showed up because it was the first talk of the morning.
Oh, death sentence.
Yeah, on Saturday morning.
So, it was just like, you know, we had, you know, maybe 50 people in the room.
So, which I mean.
Oh, that's a pretty good crowd.
Yeah, I mean, all things considered for a Saturday morning at a con, it's not too terribly bad.
But, I mean, I don't know.
I think it went well.
It did.
You know, for my, my first hacker con presentation, so.
It did.
I was in the audience and it was, it was, it was very good.
I, and being a person that knows jack shit about phones other than, you know, the basic stuff, it was, it was good.
Yeah.
I think the, the, the big problem that really went over with it is that it was really a basic, just general history of things.
And a lot of people, most of the people that showed up were people like, you know, like me or, you know, icon who are, like, really into phones.
So, like, they're like, okay, so when are you going to talk about cool stuff?
Enough about this, you know, enough about Antonio Meucci when you're going to talk about, like, you know, optiverting and shit.
And it's like, well, you know, it was, it was a very basic general history, so.
Yeah, you just basically, so you just talked about history, you didn't actually talk about anything.
Not, not technical aspects.
I talked about kind of when, when we started to see blue boxes and red boxes come into play and stuff like that.
But I didn't really get into a lot of the, the technical nitty gritty of everything, so.
Well, that's actually, that was pretty interesting.
Um, Nightlord, what, what, what, what did you do?
Well, I did mine on, uh, the SonicWall, of course.
Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho.
So.
Did, like, SonicWall CEO, like, you know, show up afterwards and say, well, you know.
This guy's a noob, he doesn't know anything about it.
I wouldn't have been surprised if somebody would have busted in the door in a big SonicWall t-shirt and said,
you're lying, you're lying about everything.
But, it didn't happen, so.
So, yeah, it actually went really well.
Or, or they didn't smack you with a, uh, what is it, a subpoena?
No subpoena.
Yeah.
Conjunction, that's it.
Before his, uh, his presentation, you see a bunch of people from SonicWall ripping pages out of the Nauticon pamphlet.
And there's a black van parked out front, and there's pounding coming from the inside.
But where's Nightlord?
I don't know.
No, it didn't.
You saw nothing.
It didn't go.
Nightlord left.
He, uh, had to go back to, uh, Zimbabwe, where he's originally from.
Yeah.
Woo!
Dun, dun, dun, dun.
The SonicWall Mafia.
Okay, so, also, like, you know, so, so it went, it went well?
I mean, people were oversteamed?
Well, it was kind of funny, because, at first, because I was at six on Friday, and, um, at first I was at seven, up against Jason Scott's History of Podcasting, and I was like, no, nobody's even going to come, you know, so I talked to Froggy, and I was like, hey, can you change my time slot, because I actually want people to show up, and he's like, sure.
And then he gets back to me, like, a couple weeks before, and he's like, okay, we changed it, and I was like, sweet, so I looked, and I'm up against fucking Alonka.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, okay, I told him the specific purpose of why I wanted to change my time slot for Jason, so he puts me up against probably the most popular talk that was there.
But, surprisingly, there was about 20 people in mind.
No, that's not bad.
So, I was rather glad that I wasn't just talking to, like, a few people that had promised me they were going to go, so.
So, but it was well-received.
Everybody seemed to find it interesting.
A lot of people came up to me afterwards and said, hey, that was really cool.
I've never seen that before.
I've heard of it, but I've never seen it, and now I know what it looks like, and things like that, and I got a few laughs.
So, was it just more in-depth of your article in 2600?
Actually, it was.
Or just completely different?
I skimmed through the article sort of, like, at the very end, because the article itself was pointed towards a vulnerability in the system, whereas my talk was about the system itself.
So, I actually went through and had screenshots of the entire administration interface of the system.
Wow.
And went through everything and talked about everything and how it works, and then at the end, I covered the viewpoint system that's got the vulnerability for getting in without authentication and everything.
Have they patched that yet, or is it still?
Well, we haven't upgraded our box in a little while.
We haven't went to the new firmware because my boss has been real anal about it for some reason.
So, I don't know if they've patched it yet or not.
They're going to, as far as I know.
But they still have not acknowledged the fact that it even exists.
They were more worried about how I got the password, which was irrelevant, because that's not the point.
Because when you have something built on a system with known vulnerabilities, it's not going to matter.
Exactly.
And that is being, you know, the viewpoint sits on a Windows XP machine.
It's the only part of the whole system that's outside of the actual unit itself.
So, to make it possible to just click a button and get into the administrator interface is not very smart.
Because with an XP machine, I mean, there's vulnerabilities flying all over the place.
It's freaking Microsoft, for God's sakes.
And then on top of that, they have it built on Apache, which has vulnerabilities as well.
And also, you know, it's TCP IB-based.
So, you know, that has inherent vulnerabilities.
So, it's built on top of a system that has vulnerabilities.
And no matter what, all you have to do is install a key logger, and you can get the username and password for the viewpoint system.
And the problem is, most administrators will think, oh, it's just a log viewer.
Who cares?
You know, I don't care if it's sitting out where anybody can look at it, blah, blah, blah.
It's just a logging system.
That's all it does.
But a lot of people don't know that you can actually get into the administrator interface that way.
And that was kind of the whole point of the article, was saying, hey, well, you could do this if you didn't know it.
And you need to watch it.
And which 2600 was this?
It was not last year.
Yeah, I think it was fall of last year.
Yes, yes.
And if you actually view the winter spring or the winter, no, I'm sorry, the winter 2005, 2006 thing,
there's a letter from SonicWall saying, LightNord's a noob.
He doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yes, and that...
Which is untrue.
Yes, that is, in fact, untrue.
You'll notice in the letter, like I said, they focus on the password.
They say, how did you crack a hash?
Well, for one, I didn't say anything about a hash in my article at all.
So apparently I didn't touch the hash, which...
Hey, man, the hash, right.
But, you know, that's what they were focused on.
And then I actually wrote a letter back that should be...
I can't see them not publishing the letter I wrote back because I was rather agitated at that point.
So I didn't hold back when I was writing that back.
So hopefully when the new issue comes out on the stands, you'll be able to read my response.
And I actually posted an official response because Black Ratchet wouldn't leave me the fuck alone.
I just say, you know, God, they're calling you out.
You should really release something before the next issue.
And you're like...
Well, you know, you've got to give me the fact that it was like a day or two after.
And I was still really pissed about the whole thing.
Oh, yeah, true, true.
I was just pointing out to you.
You can just say, hey, I was going to do it out.
Anyway, let's get back on the topic.
Yes, yes.
So apparently there was like...
You did a presentation.
Pony did a presentation.
And all of your little Infonomicon Computer Geeky Club did all kinds of presentations.
Little Infonomicon Computer Geeky Club, what the hell are you thinking, man?
We're way better than the DDP.
Okay, I'm going to drop your asses right now.
I'm going to have the rest of the show all to myself.
All right, guys, there's only one way to settle this.
We're going to have to have a dance-off.
I can't dance for shit, so that ought to be funny.
DDP wins.
My dancing is a full-body drive heave set the music.
Awesome.
Can't wait to see it, brother.
So who else did presentations?
Droops and Iron Geek.
And actually, there was a Hacker Media panel, which was the last talk on Saturday.
And like, Droops, Ponyboy, Zach, and Dossman from the Packet Snippers.
And...
Oh, what was the other guy?
Low-Tech was on the panel.
Oh, yeah, Low-Tech was there, and Slick Zero from Basenet was there.
And then there was another guy there from...
Yeah, it was Drew from Dial-A-Dork Radio.
Yeah, Drew Curtis, yes.
Yeah, not Drew Curtis.
Yeah, and Jason Scott moderated the whole thing.
So that was, that was, that was, it was pretty good.
I sat there and watched it, and...
That sounds pretty interesting.
And Jason...
So what did Iron Geek present on?
Oh, network printer hacking, which was really good.
And I had gotten a copy of his slideshow a couple days prior to them coming up here.
So I got a chance, because we got a whole bunch of network printers at work.
So I had a chance to play around with a lot of the stuff he talked about, and I had a good time, so...
Yeah, that's actually, that's actually what I did today when I went back to work, is that was the first thing I did, was go over to one of our JetDirect boxes and just start fucking with stuff.
Yeah, it's really fun stuff, and you can, there's actually a whole lot you can do with a network printer that you would never think that you could do.
So it's rather interesting, and he actually has it up on his site for anybody to go download right now.
Good, because I'm going to check that out.
That's IronGeek.com, right?
IronGeek.com, and it should be the newest entry on his page.
It links right to his video, so...
All right, what did Drew's present on?
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
IronGeek does some good work.
Oh, yeah, IronGeek's the frickin' man.
I mean, I spent, what, three days with him, pretty much, well, I'll say two days with him and Droops and Low Tech with just us four,
with no, you know, presentations going on or things happening, so we really got a chance to get to know each other.
And we did, I tell you what, we were playing around with an airsoft gun.
And we modded that thing out.
And IronGeek, like, took over this thing.
He's like, no, we're not doing this half-ass.
And he went inside and got all these tools out and duct tape and the whole thing.
And he got this gun to shoot 15 rounds in under a second.
It's pretty amazing.
And we actually took a whole lot of video of that, and we're going to be submitting that to Act TV Underground,
so hopefully everybody will be able to check that out here for too long.
I'd like to check that out myself.
Yeah, IronGeek knows his stuff.
But anyway, Droops did his presentation.
What did Droops present on?
Yeah, he did his on Linux Live CDs.
Yeah.
And how to make your own using the Linux Live scripts and also remastering Slacks,
which is Slackware that used the Linux Live scripts to create Slacks.
So it's kind of he went to the basic overview of what Linux was first off
and what some of the basic commands were.
And then he went on creating a module in Slacks,
because that's the good thing about Slacks is it's modular-based,
so you can, like, just add stuff in.
And then he talked about how you can turn your existing Linux system into a live CD
that's exactly the same as what you have on your box,
you know, granted that it'll fit on a CD or a DVD.
But that was actually really good.
That sounds pretty cool.
I think his was actually the most popular one of the entire weekend,
because the room, he got the big room.
There was two rooms.
One was smaller, and the other one was the really big room
where they ended up having the rave afterwards and everything.
Well, he had that thing.
It was almost full.
Oh, yeah.
Wow.
And I know for a fact that the other that was probably supposed to be the most popular one,
which was Alanka's talk,
didn't have as many people, I was told.
Wow.
There wasn't as many people in Alanka's talk that there wasn't Droops's.
So that was pretty cool.
And, yeah, he knows his stuff, man, especially about that,
because that's like his flame of the week right at the moment,
because he's working on a few different live CDs, podcast fertilizer, and Slastrisk,
which is actually really slick.
And we actually got it up and running and working and taking phone calls and everything over the weekend.
But he put it together, and it was really well done.
So shouts to Droops for doing a good job.
Yeah, shouts to Droops will be included in the shots this evening, most definitely.
Yes.
What were other cool presentations?
Well, the lockpicking one, personally, I like that.
Those guys were really good.
They really explained.
One of the guys, there was two guys that presented it.
One of the guys was a staff member from the con.
He was local to Ohio.
And I'm not sure if the other guy was, but the other guy was actually the lockpick champion at DEFCON 13.
Oh.
Yeah, that guy knew his shit.
I will give him that.
Yeah, and it was actually really well done.
And they showed all the different types of locks,
and they, like, went into the really secure ones, like the Medico or the Medico.
I can't remember how they pronounced it.
I think it's Medico.
And then the multi-lock, which is fucking insane.
So, yeah, it's mul, M-U-L, dash, T, dash, lock.
If you want to check it out, it's really freaking weird.
Yeah, multi-locks are very cool and very secure.
Yeah, I didn't even know that they existed.
And then to see that, I mean, they have, like, hidden pins that can only get there by magnets,
and everything's horizontal, and there's, like, pins inside of pins, and it's craziness.
It's insane.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that multi-locks, the coolest thing about them is that they don't,
it's not just, like, you have the lock and, like, the pins just at the top of the plug.
It's, like, as the key actually turns in the lock, it hits other pins that are, like,
kind of diagonal in the plug and all sorts of shit like that.
So, in order to pick it, you actually have to kind of pick it in a circle, because there's, like,
there's not just direct vertical pins.
It's, like, vertical and diagonal.
Did someone pick one of those there, or was it just for show?
It was just for show.
I don't think anybody managed to get one open, so.
I think it would be pretty amusing if someone was like, yeah, here's a super secure lock.
Bam!
Okay, it's open now.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Yeah, that thing's insane.
But, yeah, that one was really good.
And then I actually didn't see a whole lot of talks, because I was busy with Nauticon Radio.
But, let's see.
The lockpicking one was good.
I'm going to call her out on this, because she did something that wasn't cool.
But there was a talk about penetration testing with live CDs that was really bad.
And the presenter was not very good.
And I really hate to say this, because she seems really nice,
other than the fact that somebody's cell phone rang inside of the presentation,
and she kicked them out.
Ooh.
So, that was not well-received.
That was not well-received within the con.
I think after that, I did not see her again.
Yeah.
So, I don't know if she got so much hazing, she just left.
But, yeah.
So.
I mean, I wouldn't go as far as, you know, kicking someone out,
but I definitely would call them out for it.
I'd go, like, you know, oh, that's for me.
I told him to hold that for me.
Yeah, that would have been totally different.
But, no, she straight up, like, stopped what she was doing and, like, went.
From what I heard, I wasn't in there at that moment, but Droops told me about it later.
And she actually stopped what she was doing and told them to leave.
You know, it's a hacker con.
Everybody's got a damn cell phone.
They're going to ring.
You know what I mean?
Well, common courtesy says you should put it on mute.
I mean, that's one of my pet peeves.
Well, that's, I totally, you know, and that's fine,
but I don't think she should have went as far as to actually.
No, no, no, definitely not.
I'm not trying to.
Do you know who she is?
Her name's Beth Lynn.
Beth Lynn, yeah.
Beth Lynn.
So, Beth Lynn sucks.
Let's get that out.
Common courtesy dictates that you put your phone on silent when you're in a presentation,
but common courtesy also dictates that you don't kick someone out of a presentation,
that they're coming to you to try and learn some things.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it could go either way, but regardless, she shouldn't have kicked them out.
And the presentation wasn't that good.
I mean, it really wasn't.
So, I'm not going to sit here and lie and say, oh, yeah, it was good.
No, it wasn't, because she didn't even know what backtrack was.
And her suggestion for live CDs for penetration testing was straight nopics.
Oh, gee, I'm not done.
Yeah.
I'm not even going to get there.
Yeah, so.
Yeah.
Dude, was Droops there?
Was he, like, heckling her the whole time?
You're all wrong.
He's shaking his head.
He was just shaking his head the whole time.
And we went outside to smoke afterwards, and he was like, dude, that was really bad.
And that's when he told me about the whole phone incident.
Yeah, I mean, literally, you know, you really have to, like, be bad for, like, Droops to call you out.
Yeah.
I mean, Droops loves everyone.
Droops is, like, you know, the various stereotypical, like, you know, hippie who loves everybody.
But, like, wow.
Yeah.
So that one was bad.
Jason Scott was really good.
Well, all three of them.
But he's got that kind of voice.
I don't know if you've ever heard Jason speak before.
Mm-hmm.
But, you know, he's got that kind of voice that it just grabs you, no matter what kind of,
because there was a lot of people.
He didn't use, at least the one that I actually paid attention in, he didn't use PowerPoint at all.
And I don't know.
I don't think he used PowerPoint for the one that I saw at DEFCON.
But I'm not sure.
But I've got to say, the best line I've ever heard about hard drives come from Jason Scott.
And he says, he was doing the BBS documentary, like, you know, post-mortem at DEFCON 13.
And he says, Max Tor is the James Dean of hard drives.
Live fast, die young.
And I was like, oh, my God, that's so true.
Yeah, but Jason's got that kind of voice and personality that it really just, it draws you in.
And you can, even if you're not paying attention, you still take a lot from that discussion.
I caught his history of podcasts thing that he did.
Yeah.
And I mean, like, he didn't really say anything I hadn't heard before and, like, thought before.
But it really is.
Like, you listen to Jason Scott talk and just the way that he presents himself, it's like, it's like you're learning all this stuff over again.
Yeah.
I don't know.
He's a very strange guy, but he knows how to get his point across very well.
Yeah.
He's very good at what he does, which is media.
I mean, he's just very good at coming across with his point without being rash or, you know, pointless.
He's good.
And he's a really good guy, too.
This was the first time I'd ever met him.
And he was a really good guy, so.
But I, you know.
He has BO.
None of the other presentations.
Seriously.
The three times I've run into him at Boston 2600, he has horrible BO.
And I mean, some people like that.
Some people don't use deodorant.
That's no problem.
I'm not knocking him for it.
But just that's the one thing I always remember about him.
Yeah.
I've never noticed him having BO, so.
No.
He was actually really well dressed.
Well, maybe it must have been just after the long day when you're going to Boston 2600.
Who knows?
I wasn't.
Well, actually, I did sit rather close to him, and I never noticed.
But the common room in general smelled, so.
Oh, yeah.
After about a day, you're going to have conifone going crazy in there.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, that room was just.
And you didn't notice, because, like, Saturday, I probably spent 10 hours in that room straight.
And I didn't notice anything.
And everybody was like, oh, man, this room smells.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
And I went outside in the hallway.
And I was like, whoa.
So, they were right.
So, a bunch of con-funked geeks in there.
And, yeah.
Yeah.
Like we said, what was that?
Episode one.
Like, one of the first ones he did was con-survival.
And one of the things that we definitely said was, wash yourselves.
Yeah.
It's just one of the rules.
Yeah.
It's one of those rules that nobody follows.
Yeah.
And, no, it really doesn't.
Because, you know, it's a bunch of computer geeks.
They don't have good hygiene.
And it's one of those sad true.
Okay.
We're kind of puttering out here.
But the one thing I did want to talk about.
Now, one of the contests they had was anything but Ethernet.
That was what it was called?
Like, you know, network over anything?
Yeah, that was what it was.
Yeah.
Now, what this was, was try to get data across a connection that did not include Ethernet.
And the more creative your connection was, the more points you got?
Yeah.
So, did any of you see this?
I actually, I didn't see the contest itself.
I saw the winner of the contest.
Okay.
Do you remember what he had set up?
Well, there was a lot of stuff.
I mean, like, he had won the previous year as well with a setup that he called the Semaphore Man.
Which, which had a, it had a lot to it, but the basic, like, the big thing that really sticks out in everyone's mind is, like, as information travels along through all these various different kinds of connections and weird things, it gets to, uh, basically like what, what was more or less this little cardboard cutout of a man.
And as the information got to it, he had little flags on either one of his arms, and he would spell out letters using Semaphore.
And there was a camera that would pick that up and decode that and then send that to the computer.
That's crazy. That's crazy.
And it was the coolest thing ever.
And this year, he actually took that same setup he had and added, like, a bunch more shit to it.
So, he, he more or less, like, they had a, they had about, I guess, probably a good six tables that they had running down one end of the room, and he covered probably a good two or three of them with his stuff.
Yeah.
So.
That's nuts.
Yeah, I mean, I, I couldn't even begin to see what all kinds of stuff there was going on there, but he had a lot of stuff going on.
So, I think the other, there was only two people that actually competed, and I think the other guy, actually, some of his stuff got stolen.
Yeah.
Ooh.
So, the other guy won by default, because the, the, the guy that got his stuff stolen, uh, didn't have a working, you know, setup.
Because it's.
Oh, that's harsh.
So.
Yeah.
So, that was kind of rough.
Some people are like that.
But, you know, it was kind of, it was kind of just the cap on a, a few incidents that happened over the weekend.
Do you, do you want to have the juicy gossip before we just wrap that up with that?
Sure.
Um, actually, uh, Friday night, early Saturday morning, there was break-ins in the parking garage.
Ow.
And, uh.
Yeah.
Icon was one of them.
Man, that's reminding me never to go to Cleveland.
Yeah.
Uh, Icon was actually one of them.
Oh?
And they, they took his, the faceplate on his stereo.
They didn't actually take his stereo.
They just smashed his window and grabbed his faceplate.
And the other two cars that were, they just had bashed windows.
But, like, one guy had a full-length, really nice leather trench coat in his back seat, and, and they didn't grab it.
So, so I don't know.
It was a mystery.
Probably some drunk skitties.
But it was, uh, causing a lot of headaches for Froggy, and, and by using the power of the airwaves with Nauticon Radio, we were able to raise him some cash and help pay for extra security and stuff, so.
Yeah, I, I, I don't, you know, I want to just, to kind of segue, because I think that it's worth talking about.
Uh, I think the, the big thing that was really, the coolest part about Nauticon was Nauticon Radio.
Oh, yeah.
It started out as basically just a stream on the network that they had set up, and then grew to, like, a stream on the network they had set up, and then a stream online you could listen to, and then an FM transmission, and then they had an asterisk box set up that you could call in and listen to the show.
It was running Slastrisk, which was the first actual real test of that system running, so that was really cool.
So, okay, just, just so we all, because a lot of people don't know, Slastrisk is Droops' live CD on asterisk, right?
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
He did a pretty good job with that, and it sounds pretty solid.
It is.
Especially if you can handle that right now.
It is really cool.
You pop it in, you log in, you run asterisk, and it runs.
That's it.
That's all there is to it.
Well, are, are, are, are, since you're talking about singing the praises of Nauticon Radio, are you guys going to be doing this for Hope or something?
You know, are someone going to be popping by?
Um, I'm not sure.
I know for a fact that next year at Nauticon, that's going to be the majority of my time spent is going to be sitting at that booth, though.
Yeah, I spent, I spent like 10 hours sitting at that booth on Saturday with, uh, Dexter from Living and Sin, and, uh, a couple of the other guys that are on the show.
Well, actually, the whole crew was there for, you know, in and out the whole day, but I sat with him for like 10 hours, manning the radio station, and, uh, and it was probably the most fun.
And I was actually going to talk about that as, as my personal hacking story, but it wasn't me.
I mean, there was a whole group of people that made that possible.
Yeah.
But, but you participated in it.
It could have been your personal hacking story.
I did participate.
But either way.
I did participate, but, uh, not in anything really technical other than basic troubleshooting, but, you know, props really have to go out to, um, to Slick Zero.
Um, he made a lot of that stuff work.
I mean, it probably wouldn't have worked without him, and, and Jason did a whole lot to make sure that we were streaming and all that, and, um, and I think if it wasn't.
And providing most of the equipment.
Yeah.
Well, even somebody, the mixer that we had wasn't even Jason's.
It was somebody else's that had loaned it to us, and the same with the FM transmitter.
It wasn't any of ours.
Somebody else had loaned it to us to use.
So, I mean, there was really the, the whole little community of the media people, you know, the hacker media people came together to, to get that as great as it really was.
And it, I mean, that was a massive hack in itself.
I mean, if you could have seen the setup, I think there, quite a few pictures were taken of the setup, um, as it progressed.
So, I, I know Jason took a whole lot, and, uh, quite a few people took a whole lot of him.
So, um.
Jason, Jason takes a lot of pictures, period.
Yeah.
Just, just.
So, hopefully, the pictures can be set up in sort of a timeline where you can see how it progressed as to, like, there was one laptop and the mixer and some mics.
And then there was two.
And then there was three laptops and the mixer and the flash disk box and the FM transmitter.
Then there was four laptops.
One was running Skype.
One was running, um, the mixing program or the streaming program.
And one was running, um, for sound effects.
And, uh, it, it just, it was a really cool thing.
It was just probably, probably for me that was definitely the coolest thing that happened all weekend.
So.
Well, hopefully someone will actually, this actually sounds pretty cool.
I hope someone actually set this up at Hope or DEF CON or something.
Actually, it sounds more like a Hope thing.
Yeah, I, I think.
They're into that hole.
I think it probably, it would really be kind of a cool, uh, I mean, like, I, I'd like to talk to Jason and see if me and him can get together and talk to Emmanuel or something about, about coming and setting something like this up at Hope.
Because I think that'd be really interesting.
I mean, like, especially with, you know, the amount of people that come through Hope would be just probably double the amount of people that come on the radio.
So it wouldn't be, you know, the same people sitting there for ten hours straight with just talking to each other.
You'd have constant people coming in.
A lot of, probably a lot better funding for it.
I mean, we could have better, you know, equipment that, you know, people who, you know, just, just a hint, if anybody's listening and they want to, get in touch with me or, uh, try and get in touch with Jason and tell him you want to do that.
Why not?
I, I'd do something like that.
That sounds pretty cool.
I mean, I, I'd, I'd been in the booth for a while if someone needed it, so.
I like that crap.
A lot of people stepped up and, uh, and manned the booth when everybody else had other things to do.
And I know Dexter sacrificed a lot of his time, um, that he wanted to go to talks and stuff to, to man the booth, um, so everybody else could go do other things.
So, um, so that was really cool.
And, and a lot of people stopped by and talked for a while.
And it was, it was just a really cool experience.
And I hope that, that continues to be like the staple at Nodcon, because that would really be kind of cool to be, you know, that, that's the first con where that really happened.
And then, you know, every year it just gets progressively better.
And, uh, and I thought it was pretty killer that we had a pirate radio station going on in the middle of Cleveland.
That was pretty slick.
So.
Cleveland.
Who goes to Cleveland?
Anyway.
All right.
We're sort of, I think we're kind of running late on time here, so we'll try to get all the announcement out here.
Actually, we, we have one announcement, but a bit of a sad announcement, I guess you could say.
Um, Booter, our, our, our meticulous note taker, has, uh, run into a bit of a real life problem.
Well, I wouldn't say problem, but his real life time has, uh, started to, uh, take a majority of his time, and he's had trouble with notes.
Actually, the, the note situation isn't as bad as it, uh, sounds, as it, as it looks on the thing.
I, he actually sent me a few, and I haven't updated it yet.
Perhaps I'll do that tonight.
Um, but he says, just letting you guys know that I won't be able to continue writing the show notes, uh, work and other real life has taken on the time that I use to do this.
Um, I will catch up on the show notes that aren't posted yet, and will continue until someone takes a job, but, uh, he, he, we were talking earlier, and he'd like someone to take up the thing.
So, if you want to take the show notes for a while, step on up, send an email, either blackratch at blackratch.org, or radio at binrev.com.
Um, speaking of which, email is always at radio at binrev.com.
Uh, I think that's all it's for announcements.
I guess, uh, announcements, uh, Hope is coming up in July.
I think that's the next real major cacker con out there.
It's, uh, July 23rd to 23rd.
Um, I expect to be going.
I, I'm saying the probability is very good.
Stank is going.
Uh, Not Theory will be there.
Uh, will you guys be going?
If I can talk to, to Emanuel about this, this radio station, maybe.
Otherwise, I don't think I'll be able to afford to get, to get up there, so.
We are going to try to attempt.
Me and my wife are both going to try to attempt, but, uh, as it stands right now, no, because of work schedules and the way it falls.
But, we were planning on going, so, uh, maybe next time if we don't hit it up this time.
Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, you guys will still be able to come in some way, some way, some way, some way, some way, some way will happen.
Uh, if the radio station goes, uh, I'm going to call in, so.
However, I would like to, uh, to say, speaking of HackerCons, and it looks like they may have just got the site up again, uh, CarolinaCon, which is in North Carolina, I believe, is going to be June 9th and 10th.
So, I'm, I'm definitely going to be at that one, so, uh, 919-6.
Anyway, I've never actually heard of CarolinaCon, but.
The second year.
Is it, is it carolinacon.com or something?
Dot org, of course, a dog org, silly me.
Um, Shouts, Nightlord, who do you have Shouts for?
Uh, everybody from Infantamicon, so, I don't even want to say all their names, because now there's 11 of us.
Because we added three new members over the weekend, which, uh, I do want to give personal shouts out to, uh, DOS, man, for being really cool over the weekend.
And, uh, and Zach, and Droops, and Low Tech, and Iron Geek for coming over and hanging out.
And shouts to the Living and Sin guys, Dexter, Douglas, Largo, and The Boy, because they were really cool.
And shouts to Fibig, because he was doing some really cool shit.
And, uh, everybody else, Citadel, Jason, Froggy, Tiger, everybody that was there that came in and talked on the radio,
and came in and watched my presentation, and just had a good time hanging out on the radio station, so.
Hmm.
Uh, Tony Boy, Shouts?
Um, basically everyone he just said, because I think he covered everyone that I talked to.
Way to be on a ritual, man.
Way to be on a ritual.
I do want to give a huge shout to, uh, to Vash, and whoever the hell his roommate was, I cannot remember your name for the life of me.
Because they did let me crash on their floor on Friday night, or Friday morning, when I got there, when I first got in town.
Even though they didn't know me, they let me come in their room and crash, and I got to use a, a Faygo bottle as a, as a pillow.
But, thanks to you guys, I want to give huge shouts to them.
Um, oh, anyone who lets you crash in their room, shouts.
Um, shouts myself, I'm going to say shouts out to Droops.
Um, he knows the reason why.
And, uh, congratulations.
I'm not sure if he listens to that.
He has to listen to the radio show, because Droop listens to every radio show under the sun.
He does listen to this one.
Um, yeah, site of the week, actually, I put this in the housekeeping, I forgot to mention it.
Uh, tinyurl.com, uh, 8L5, 8L5, 8L5, alpha November.
Uh, that's the map, and we're up to 250-something users.
So, hey, let's try to push for 300.
So, if you haven't added yourself to the map, add yourself to the map and feed on with it.
I did that in myself today, so.
Oh, that's pretty good.
Maybe, I don't think you're included in my count, so maybe we hit 260 by now.
Uh, yeah, here's open.
Um, let's see.
Our closing news tonight is the, uh, Metroid Met Mix Pro Remix, or moseyremix.com, and it's kind of catchy.
I did like it.
Um, so, actually, can you, you guys are going to have to help me out with this, because Strom isn't here.
So, we will see you next week, same hack time, same hack channel.
We'll see you next week.