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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs

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of you in a fag bone, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the

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net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,

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on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and

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I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through

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my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught

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the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's

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all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling

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your bones, when I tell you we just hacked Al Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your

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back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAM, SIF,

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SIS, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers.

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That's right, once again it is time for Binary Revolution Radio, I am Stang Dogg and we are

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bringing you episode number 150 of Binary Revolution Radio, today is May 30th, 2006, and I am joined

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this week by Dr. Zygmunt, who's been on the show a few times before.

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Hey everybody, what's going on?

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And, we have an interesting little format change today, we're gonna try something a

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little bit new and see how that goes.

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Think so adventurous.

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Yeah, yeah, well, you know, we're not afraid to try things here, I mean, yeah, I can already

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see the feedback coming from certain people, but that's gonna come regardless, so, whatever.

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What do you expect from, yeah, anyway.

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Before we get into that main topic though, we have one, let's see, I've got one announcement,

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unless you had anything else to go.

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No, I think, well, your announcement will do just nicely.

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Okay, the one thing we're gonna announce that we have made the decision, that the timing

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works out pretty well for this, we're gonna end up doing the first episode of season four

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of Binary Revolution Radio, we're gonna film it in front of a live studio audience, well,

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the show won't be live, we'll be recording it and streaming it Tuesday as normal, but we

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will record it in front of an audience at the 6th Hope in New York City, so, yeah, so,

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it works out, the timing works out almost perfectly.

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Basically, we'll probably take one week, we're probably gonna miss one week.

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The last episode of season three will be episode 156, and 157 we're gonna do there at Hope, I

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don't know what the, where we're gonna do it, or what the situation's gonna be, whether it'll

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be an actual talk there, I don't know, we talked about that, whether it'll be something

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down on the second floor, some bootleg thing, hell, we'll do it in the hotel room if we have

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to, but we will be doing an episode from New York City that weekend, so, um, the weekend

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before that we might not do an episode, because the timing is off just by one week, so we might

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have a one week void, um, so, other than that though, it's gonna work out pretty well, I

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think, and we will, uh, do some cool things, probably talk mostly about that conference,

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the 6th Hope, and, uh, have some cool special guests on, we hope, and, uh, big announcement

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for the future in the direction we're heading with season four of Binary Revolution Radio,

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ever-changing, evolving, it sounds good, everybody should, uh, if you're gonna be at Hope, they

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should try to make it down, and, uh, maybe we can get, uh, a quick couple of words from

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anybody, yeah, I'd like to, yeah, we've still gotta work out the logistics, all we know for

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sure now is that we are going to do it, um, and I guess I'll be hosting it, I'll bring

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all my equipment with me, so hell or high water will do something, what, a tape recorder?

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Yeah, yeah, I'll just do it, I'll do it, like, on my iPod, like a real podcast, oh, can you,

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I don't think you can, you can't record on an iPod, I don't know, can't you, I thought

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that's the whole point of those podcasters, is they take their iPods and record themselves

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on them, I thought you could, I don't know, I don't actually have an iPod, so I'm not

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really sure, yeah, I wouldn't admit if I did anyway, um, alright, so I guess, other than

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that, let's jump into some email, email, radio at binrev.com, alright, so email number one,

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this week, why does that song get stuck in my head, and I want to sing the song, even

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though there's really no song to sing, I don't know, it kind of is a song, I think it's still

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after hearing it time and time again, I just, it kind of makes me think it's email binrev

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time, da-na, da-na, da-na, radio at binrev.com, bin, bin, bin, bin, bin, okay, yeah, it's pretty

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late tonight, alright, email number one this week comes from knowledge01 from an anonymous

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throwaway account, how mysterious, uh, knowledge01 says, this is knowledge01, and I was wondering

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if any of the Binary Revolution members are going to give a talk at DEF CON, and what it's

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going to be about, thanks for all the great topics you guys cover on the show, well, knowledge01,

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I'm going to call you K for short, because I'm down like that, so K-dog, no, I, well,

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let's clarify real quick, Binary Revolution members, I don't know, we've got like 4,000

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forum members, I don't know if any of them have been accepted, or have even put in talks,

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I don't think they've accepted any, they haven't published any list of talk speakers yet, I think

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I saw one name up there was all, so I don't know that they've done accepting all their presentations,

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what I can say is that I don't think any of the DDP members have submitted anything to DEF CON

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this year, but as far as Binary Revolution members, members of the forums, and stuff like that,

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I don't, I don't know, I'm sure there's probably a couple, because there's a lot of bright people

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out there, and someone's bound to be presenting at DEF CON, um, from our forums.

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I know that we're going to have a, we're going to have a following there, there's definitely a bunch

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of people from IRC are deciding that they're all going to get together at, uh, DEF CON, but I, I don't know

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how many of them are, are planning on presenting, but there's definitely, uh, because last year

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we did a dinner, and hopefully, uh, they'll do it again this year for any, uh, any of the

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members who do get the chance, or just anybody who wants to hang out with, with people of

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like-minded, uh, or a similar interest.

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There you go.

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Yeah, we're definitely, I'm definitely going to be at DEF CON this year, you're not going

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to make it, right?

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No, I, I, I just, I can't afford to go to two this year.

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Right, and actually that's kind of the point is, um, most of us who are looking at talking

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or presenting or whatever, we're looking at doing it at HOPE, because this is the year

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for HOPE, which is every two years that they have HOPE in New York, so we're all looking

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at that for our primary conference for this year.

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Um, however, I will be going to DEF CON and attending, but, um, yeah, I don't know that

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I'll be presenting at DEF CON again, I don't know, I just didn't really, I don't know,

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just didn't do it for me.

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Well, maybe you'll just, maybe you should put together just a little something, something

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informally, like, uh, the hotel room lectures, as we like to call them, maybe, uh, record

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a quick, uh, hack TV or something like that.

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Well, I've always got on my laptop, I've always got my presentations that I give at, uh, local

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bin rev meetings and such, but, um, so we may do something impromptu in a hotel room or

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just sit and hang out and chat.

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That would be cool if we actually did some swapping of, uh, of different local presentations,

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because, you know, something that might be hot down here in Florida, you know, might

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be, uh, interesting to those of, uh, a number, uh, of another area code.

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Um, maybe, I guess.

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Yeah, I mean, we've always got them.

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See, you and I always do presentations at our meetings, so we've always kind of got material

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around.

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So, hey, yeah, maybe, maybe that's what we'll do for DEF CON.

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Actually, I'm glad I, I'm glad I got this email.

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Yeah, it makes me think, maybe, um, maybe we will do, like, an unofficial fourth track

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or something in a hotel room somewhere.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Something small for the bin rev members only, but, anyway, yeah, as far as Binary Revolution

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members, I don't know.

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I'm, I'm sure that we will hear about it in the forums and talk about it on the show,

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because, of course, we want to support everybody that are producing and helping support the Binary

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Revolution.

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Go out there and do things, less talking, more doing.

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So, um, yeah, we'll, we will let people know on future shows if we hear anything, uh, about

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somebody being accepted for DEF CON.

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Sounds good.

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So, uh, yeah, hope this year we're going to focus on that.

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We got a couple other events we're working on, trying on, but one of them for sure is

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going to be the radio show, and, uh, we'll see what else comes besides that.

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But also for that, it's going to be a lot of hanging out, meeting people there, so there

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will definitely be several Binary Revolution members, forum members will probably get

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together for a dinner or something up there, and, um, DDP members as well.

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It's that hanging out that, that really makes the conference, you know, because a lot of

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the lectures will be interesting and a lot of fun to see, but really it's just that chance

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that you get to, to, to meet all the people that, you know, you know them by a series of

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characters in an IRC room or something like that.

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It's, you know, that face-to-face and, you know, getting to hang out, and, uh, I really

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think that's, just, the informal exchanging of ideas is where I get the most benefit from

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any conference.

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Well, and it's more personal, it's more on a, you know, face-to-face, you can talk to

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somebody like a real person, you're not listening to them through the global interweb and whatnot,

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so, puts a face to the name, to the voice, I should say, puts a face to, well, to both,

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I guess.

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So, alright, email number two.

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Face to the keyboard.

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Exactly.

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Email number two comes from Enyo, from over in the UK.

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Enyo says, hey, Stank, enjoyed your show on digital forensics, a great topic to cover,

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so I'm glad you gave it some time.

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Just thought I would drop a mail to you to mention the digital forensics wiki at www.forensicswiki.org,

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which covers all the tools you mentioned and more.

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It also provides excellent information on the whole digital forensics field.

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Like any user-contributed wiki, it needs input, so I hope you can mention it on the show

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and help the site out.

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Keep up the great work.

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It's so good to have you back.

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I've missed your insane rants.

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Yep, that's me.

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Insane.

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Insane in the membrane.

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Now all we need are some voices.

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Oh, man, you used to laugh.

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Just like old times.

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Oh, man, you missed your setup.

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So greets to the Hacker Voice radio crew in the UK, and yes, I'll second all of that.

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Yeah, any user-contributed stuff, I mean, that's the whole point of user-contributed

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is users have to help out and hope they'll have more luck or more help with their wiki

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than I have with dock droppers, but we won't go there.

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Hacker Voice radio crew, yeah, we support them a lot.

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Good guys over in the UK doing a lot of fun stuff.

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I sent a few people over there from IRC recently, actually, so they're doing good stuff,

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and they just released their TV show recently, so go check them out.

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Cool.

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Or their video show.

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I don't know if calling it a TV show is proper, but do we call Hack TV a TV show?

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It's a video.

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Well, it's called Hack TV.

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But it's not really on, well, actually, it was on TV.

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We mentioned that on the show.

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It was actually on TV, so I don't know.

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It's a play on words, whatever.

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The show, the video show.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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All right.

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Where were we here?

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Email.

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Our third and final email this week comes from Yojimbo, who says,

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In response to ESD on how to destroy data, episode 148, don't destroy data, encrypt it.

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TrueCrypt lets you mount encrypted files as a drive in Windows or Linux.

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This gives you a secure workspace.

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Your files never touch an unencrypted disk.

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You can also hide volumes in other volumes, which look like any other random data.

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It also supports encryption with passwords or key files.

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Encrypt your data with your favorite MP3 or any file on your hard drive.

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And congrats to Black Ratchet.

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So I'm sure Black Ratchet appreciates that.

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But I'm also sure that we are the last thing on his mind right about now.

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So thank you for that email, Yojimbo.

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And, yes, excellent, excellent point that we should have emphasized more.

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I think I glossed over it or briefly mentioned it, but maybe I didn't, but encryption.

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I mean, you can encrypt your data instead of destroying it, and maybe by keeping it in an encrypted state and just logging out in a rush or in a hurry.

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The original question was how to destroy data in a hurry or if the feds come busting in your door or whatever.

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That's kind of what prompted us to do that episode.

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So, yeah, but encryption is something we have always supported and I've always said is really the way to go.

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The concern with that is, and I'll admit I'm talking out of my ass here, but I could swear that I've read some articles about people that have gotten in trouble for refusing to give up their password or their key or whatever to some encrypted data.

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Yeah, I've heard of people that have gotten...

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But it seems like I have heard a few stories like that, so that kind of makes me a little bit nervous.

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I don't see where they could force you to give it up.

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That doesn't seem right to me because you have a right to privacy even if you're under investigation.

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You do the fucking work to investigate me.

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I'm not giving it to you.

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Yeah, I think the other thing that's kind of important to keep in mind with encryption, especially if you're doing like entire drive encryption where on the fly it's being decrypted, you just need to be sure that whatever's being used to decrypt isn't actually just like stored freely in memory.

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I know there was a problem with a lot of the earlier encryption suites where anybody who was going to be running that program or could actually catch you with that program active, they might not have been able to decrypt the data right away, but they could have taken the decryption keys out of memory.

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Right, and I think TrueCrypt does not have that weakness.

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I would hope that by now most of it's been straightened out, but I just wanted to make it clear that if you're going to do it and you're going to encrypt, make sure you do it right and check up on the solution that you're going to use for your encryption.

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Right, and that's true for anything.

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Make sure you understand what you're doing, what the program's doing, and whether you're truly protected or not.

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Now what would happen if you just didn't remember the password?

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Your SOL.

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That's kind of a dangerous, slippery slope where they can lock you up for as long as they want until you remember the password.

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And that kind of goes back to what I said on that episode where, you know what, unless you really, really, really got something to worry about, it may be too much trouble.

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It may be more trouble than it's worth.

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I mean, I'm all for privacy and everything, but I don't really feel the need to encrypt my entire hard drive because, yeah, I've got a lot of passwords floating around in my brain, and only half of them work.

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So I don't want to lock myself out of my own computer.

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That would really, really be self-ownage to the max.

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That's right.

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You're totally the king of having to reset passwords.

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I have so many passwords and so many sites and so many, oh, it's just sickening.

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Oh, you know what we should get you?

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They have those little handheld password keepers.

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No, no, no.

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Actually, it's probably a good thing that I forget and have to change them or reset them because it's kind of a self-accidentally self-fulfilling change your password every so many days because of my forgetfulness.

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Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

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So it's actually probably a good thing.

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But that's neither here nor there.

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So is that what we should all expect as we start to get old?

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Oh, yeah.

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That, and then you have trouble hearing certain tones, apparently, which we might talk about later on.

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So let's see.

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Before we move into some of the topics tonight, let's do a little show and tell.

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I've got a couple quick little things, so I'll stall so you can think of something.

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First of all, I bought this game from my Nintendo DS called Brain Age.

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I think it's called Brain Age, which is supposed to be some computer program, some game thing that's supposed to make you smarter.

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Cool.

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Yeah, yeah, right?

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I told them as soon as they make one that allows you to work out and lose weight, give me a call that I'll buy that one.

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If I can sit there and play a video game and gain muscles and lose weight, that's the one I want.

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Uh, it's called DDR.

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Actually, you're right.

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You're absolutely right, but that's too much like work.

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That's too much like work.

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Especially, I'm not going to...

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It's too much coordination for you.

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Well, and I'm not going to do it in front of other people.

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See, I've been to those.

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I've been to, like, some of the places where the regulars hang out, and they're, like, fucking doing...

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No, but they're doing, like, backflips and shit over the fucking thing, and they're, like, they're playing the two-player game, but they'll switch places in the middle of it.

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They've got a whole fucking routine.

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It's like I'm watching fucking Grease or something.

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They're all fucking choreographing shit.

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They're all fucking leaping over each other.

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They're fucking touching the pads with their dick and their ass, and they're doing all kinds of crazy shit, man.

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Well, I'd be really impressed if somebody had enough weight on them, so to say,

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in order to actually trigger, like, as if it was a step.

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Well, I guess if you get aroused enough, you could probably pull that off.

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I don't know.

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What am I talking about?

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I don't know what I'm talking about half the time.

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I told you I pulled this whole show out of my ass.

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As long as you're consistent.

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Anyway, exactly.

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So this Brain Age program, if anybody doesn't have it, I'll do a little mini-review for my show-and-tell.

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It is...

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Okay, one of the reasons I bought it, quite honestly, is I wanted Sudoku for my DS,

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so I could play on the airplanes or stuff when I travel, and it's had it built in.

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Plus, it had these other things that are supposed to be brain-building exercises or whatever.

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Well, they're nothing, like, that I haven't seen before on the interweb or on different tests here and there.

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It's like, they'll show you a color, the name of it, it'll be, say, black, spelled out.

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But the actual color of the font is blue or red or something like that,

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and you're supposed to say what the color is.

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And there's something about the way your brain works that that's difficult or something like that.

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Huh, that's interesting.

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Yeah, and then there's one where you have to do some math problems really as fast as you can do them.

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With a calculator?

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No, you have to do it within a...

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You have, like, only a few seconds, and it marks it wrong if you don't answer, I think.

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So it's just like a speed thing for some basic math.

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You know, your basic times tables, et cetera, et cetera.

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Your gazintas.

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Well, I'm guilty of that, of being a child of the information age where I don't have a calculator.

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I still put one plus one in my calculator sometimes.

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Oh, man.

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No, you got to go practice on your gazintas.

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Gazintas?

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I didn't know you knew Yiddish.

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Oh, yeah, your gazintas.

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I don't think that's a Yiddish word.

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Oh, I'm self-acclamped.

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You're such a mensch.

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Anyway, so the game itself, like those brain-building activities, I don't know what the future of that is.

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If I get smarter and I feel smarter, I'll let everybody know, but I don't have high hopes for that.

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The Sudoku is kind of okay, but the problem with the whole game in general is that, well,

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they make you do this setup at the beginning to test your starting brain age so that they can track you over time.

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I just want to play the fucking game.

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I just want to play Sudoku.

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Sudoku, whatever the fucking name is.

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Sudoku.

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Don't write me and tell me I pronounced it wrong.

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It's Sudoku, but I don't like it.

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It's too hard to say that, so fuck you.

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I just want to play.

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They've even got an option that says Quick Sudoku, so whatever.

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Why can't I say that word right now?

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I don't know.

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But it's not.

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It goes through all these screens to give you directions and instructions on how to play.

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Guess fucking what?

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I know how to play now.

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Now, the thing is not smart enough to tell me, to tell itself, I should say, he's already

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seen the directions, so we don't need to give them to him again.

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I mean, it's a brain-building exercise for God's sake.

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You think it'd be smart enough to not repeat itself?

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Talking about those rants.

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Yeah, I guess so.

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Whoops.

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Yeah, so, if you can get past the crappy programming.

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Oh, one other thing is on that one activity I mentioned earlier, where it shows you black

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or blue or whatever.

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It uses the microphone, the built-in microphone, which is really a cool thing, if it worked.

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But the damn thing is, it can't tell when I've said blue or black, I guess, because they

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both begin with BL.

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It thinks that I'm saying one or the other.

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So, yes, there's occasional time when it comes up with a word black that's spelled in blue

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letters, and when you say blue, it thinks you said black, and it marks you wrong.

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And then, of course, you know what?

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My immediate response is, me being the predictable, as soon as I miss it, and it's not my fault,

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I say, fuck!

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And then I miss that one, and then I say, fuck you!

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And then I miss that one, and I end up pretty much blowing it.

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I end up cussing at the game and losing, or whatever you want to call it, getting a low score,

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because I'm yelling at the fucking game.

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There's something wrong with me.

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You know, I'm surprised they didn't take that into account while they were coding it, so

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that they never had a color and a sound, or a color and a word that sounded similar.

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Like, they'd be dissimilar enough, so that you'd be able to tell if it was one or the

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other, even if you weren't using, because I'm sure there's not too much power behind that

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to really be doing too much crazy voice recognition.

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I guess I recommend to the programmers, the developers of Brain Age, that they actually use

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their own product first, before writing it.

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Maybe they need to build up some brain power.

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Well, maybe they're taking a hint from Microsoft, and they're going to release a patch.

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Oh, that's, how do you patch a DS game?

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Uh, they're going to come up with a way.

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Yeah, right.

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Not these guys, not based on this.

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That's rough.

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And, like, you turn the thing sideways, it's got this, um, I mean, it's like ten times worse

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than Max Headroom, this little avatar of the guy that supposedly invented Brain Age or

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something.

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It's got this little polygon graphics of, um, you remember that game Sinistar, the old

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arcade game Sinistar, with that robotic head thing?

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It's even worse than that.

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This little guy over there, like, giving you directions and reading, and it's just awful

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graphics, it's just, it was only 20 bucks, but, you know what, I still feel like I kind

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of got ripped off.

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I'd recommend buying a-

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You should have gotten Zelda.

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Yeah, I'd recommend actually buying a real Sudoku game instead.

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But, anyway, I also bought the Mario, Super Mario Brothers or whatever, the new DS, and

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that just made me so mad, I chucked my DS across the room and slammed it against the

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wall, so.

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DS for sale.

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I need, I need anger management, that's what I need.

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Uh, isn't that what this radio show is?

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Yes, it is.

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It's therapeutic.

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A very special episode of FinRev Radio.

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And it's not even court ordered.

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And we haven't even got to a topic yet, so let me move on quickly.

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Um, let's see, what else was I going to, oh, kind of a side, just a quick aside, I noticed

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that there are some new sites that have been registered by Google, I noticed this, I read

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on a couple blogs that mention this, GoogleCheckout.net and GoogleMasterCard.com, and I think Google,

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I think .org.com of most or all of those are also registered, but Google Checkout and Google

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Master, MasterCard, which is, well, I guess their version of PayPal, Google Checkout, I

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guess that's going to be their version of PayPal, which I think we've heard rumors and

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rumblings about, so GoogleCheckout.net and GoogleMasterCard.com, that's going to be interesting,

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and that ties into my, well, I guess I can't go there.

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Yeah, that's a whole can of worms.

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Yeah, some more research I'm doing on Google, we can say that.

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Some more research I'm doing on Google.

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I think that whole, the whole them wanting to get into that, into that market, I think

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it's, I think it takes some guts.

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I think Google might be a little full of themselves thinking that they can just control it all,

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and they're going to try to take, they're really looking to replace PayPal.

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How hard could it be?

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Well, you know, PayPal's pretty ingrained.

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They've got Google Base, so they've got the eBay knockoff in there.

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They need a way to pay for it, so they mark in, they go into Google Checkout.

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Everybody still, for some reason, loves and trusts Google.

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I don't know why, a lot of people still, some, more and more people are starting to catch

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on, but I'm not going to go into a Google rant, let's move on to a new topic, how about

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that?

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That sounds good.

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My last thing is, again, going to bore most people, but Lost, the season finale of Lost,

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one of my favorite shows, was on last week, and why does that tie into this show?

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Only because at the very end of the show, there were a couple computer screens that they showed.

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There's a computer involved in the story, the ongoing plot, but they don't do a whole

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lot of, it's a very small point.

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They have to enter in this code, and they don't make a big deal out of the computer and what

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it is and capabilities, they don't show you much.

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Well, on the season finale, there was another computer that was tied in a different way,

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and I'm not going to give anything away.

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But basically, on the screen, you could see a little bit more detail.

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There was some text and some stuff scrolling on the screen, so of course, being the geek

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that I am, I was TiVo-ing it, so I rewind it and freeze-frame it with the high definition

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and try to decipher what was on there.

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And long story short, there was a bunch of IP addresses that showed up.

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Unfortunately, they were all 10.x addresses, all internal addresses, non-routable, so nothing

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there.

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But it was interesting, like, they had, it was kind of interesting, I saw the phrase

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SMTP header, and then you could see what looked like actual mail header scrolling past.

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Of course, mail headers are a bunch of gibberish, you know, random, not random, but an ID to

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uniquely identify that email and stuff, so there were some mail headers and an IP address.

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You didn't actually see a message, but you saw headers.

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And you also saw, I think I saw the word HTTP server, or HTTP packet or something on the

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screen as well, scroll by, so it was kind of interesting, but yeah, as it turned out,

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it was all unroutable addresses, so.

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Now, wouldn't that have made for an interesting little twist to, because don't they also do

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a lot of stuff where they kind of, I guess they break the proverbial fourth wall, and they

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do, like, commercials that, like, they're fake commercials, but they're part of the show

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and stuff like that, is that Lost, or is that a different show that does that?

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Well, Lost has done it the last couple of episodes, yes, and I've mentioned...

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Wouldn't it have been cool with that IP address that they were showing, if they had a website?

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That was why I was excited when I saw it, and yeah, it turned out to be nothing, unfortunately,

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but they've released a few phone numbers that maybe we'll call one day on the show.

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Actually, this is episode 150.

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I normally would have done a telephonic craptacular here, but I guess that tradition has gone

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by the wayside, but maybe we'll release those numbers, or we'll call those numbers and put

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them on a future show.

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Cool.

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So how about you?

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What have you been working on quickly?

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Quickly.

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A quick little thing, I do have a new job.

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I do support tickets, system administration, and stuff like that, and something that I

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had to face was there's an exploit that's being used for the Envision Powerboard.

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I'm pretty sure it's version 1.3, so it's one of the dated versions, but some people are

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still using it, and what it is is it's a meta redirect, so what happens is it's a cross-site

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scripting kind of vulnerability.

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When they put in this, what they do is they change one of the forum names to have this

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meta redirected in it so that your original site that you're supposed to go to will load,

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and then as soon as it's redirected, you know, the refresh comes up, you'll get forwarded

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to this other site, which is, oh, you got hacked, and some virus, and on and on and on.

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Long story short, all it was doing was it was just adding that record to the database,

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so we had to go in, and we found, I used phpMyAdmin, which has a really cool functionality that you

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don't, you can't, you know, I tried to think of a query to do this, and I couldn't do it

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from the command line, but phpMyAdmin can search all fields, all columns of all tables

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for a specific string, so what I did was I loaded the page, you know, I pressed stop so

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it didn't redirect me, viewed source, I took out the actual text that was being used for

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the redirect, and searched for that, found the one instance of it, deleted that one entry

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from the database, and bam, the redirect was gone, so they were able to load the page normally.

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There were also, I mean, there were some also side effects, like they had deleted the admin

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username and password, so that had to be restored, but, you know, in the short term,

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they were able to stop that redirect, and that was something a little cool that I decided

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I'd pat myself on the back a little bit for figuring that one out.

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Well, what's to stop them from doing it again?

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They could absolutely do it again, if not for the fact that these people did upgrade their

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Envision power board.

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I was getting ready to say, I think Envision 1.4 is the latest version, the free version,

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I should say, and I don't think, well, I wouldn't swear by it, because we use the more advanced

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version of it, so, but I think the 1.4, I think they've stopped development on it at 1.4

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for the free version, and they're not going to do anything but make an occasional security

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patch if necessary for that.

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So, if you're using that old Envision, I've seen quite a few vulnerabilities pop up for

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Envision for that old public free version.

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If you're using 1.3, you know, you definitely have some issues, because I think this is actually

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some sort of worm.

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I think it was not directed at these people.

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I think they just got caught in the crossfire.

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That may be the case.

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Yeah, and another, I also seem to think that 1.4 was when they switched to only giving you

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the binaries, you don't actually get the open source anymore, and 1.3 was released still

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under open source.

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Really?

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So, 1.3 made that.

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I know the 1.3, you can actually see the PHP source.

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Yeah, 1.3, I think, might have been the last one that you could see the actual source that

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they released on 1.4.

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I wouldn't swear by that.

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At some point, they cut it off, and it was no longer released as open source, because they

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were finding a lot of people that were going out and changing it and stealing parts of

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it and using it for other things, so I guess they decided to do something about that.

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Now, when you say they give you the binaries, does that mean they use Zend, and they encode

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it that way, just so that it can't be read as plain text, or they do some sort of...

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I obviously don't know.

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I didn't need to, because it didn't affect us, so I really didn't read too much into it.

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I saw it come in a bulletin, an email, or something they sent out a long time ago, so...

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Hmm, I'll have to check into that, because now I'm kind of curious to see exactly what

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they're doing.

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Yeah.

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All right, well, so what do you think?

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You got anything else?

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Uh, I think that, uh, that just about wraps that up.

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All right, well, we kind of mentioned earlier that we were going to do a little something

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different with this episode as far as the format of the show, so...

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Uh, what we're trying to do, again, I mentioned before, we wanted to kind of get more people

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involved in the show, and get more, uh, get more closely aligned or tied with what's going

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on in the forums, because there's a lot of great topics and good stuff going on there,

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so...

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Uh, we thought we'd find a few topics from the forums to talk about and to go into some

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detail with, and of course, nobody wants to hear me talk about stuff all the time, so...

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I thought I'd get some people on here that are actually competent to talk about stuff.

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So, one of the things that caught my eye in the forums, and, uh, it's probably been a

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little over a week that this was posted, but it was a thread in Old School Freaking about

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what's in your freak toolkit, or toolbox, or I don't remember what it said.

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Toolkit.

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And, uh, I thought that was kind of cool, because, A, I'm not into that kind of stuff, I don't

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know so much about it, so I found it interesting seeing a lot of the tools and stuff that people

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are using them, and what they're using for.

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So, I thought I'd call some people and see what they had in their freak toolkit.

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So, if you're hanging out in IRC, one of the benefits might be that I might just call on

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you out of the blue and ask you to help me out and talk about a certain topic.

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So, hang out at irc.binrev.net, and pound binrev is the official channel.

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Oh, yeah.

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And there's always, there's always 35 plus people in there, even during a weekday now, I never

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see it go much below 35, and on the busy times, you know, it gets upwards of 50.

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What's the, I mean, what's the highest number of people you've seen on there?

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Uh, actually, I do have a statistic that will compute the highest number, and the highest

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number was there were 80 users logged on at one point.

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Holy cow, really?

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80?

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Yep.

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80.

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Damn.

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Were we under, like, a DDoS or something?

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Is that where they came from?

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It was band town.

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No.

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Oh, no, you did not.

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Just go on.

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Oh, no, what a joke.

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Anyway, um, yeah.

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So, what's in your freak toolkit?

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And we decided to ask a few people that actually knew what they were talking about.

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So, why don't we hear from them?

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All right, so, this week's question is, what's in your freak toolkit?

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So, the first person I thought that would be very good to give us some input on this would

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be Ponyboy from Belcore Radio.

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So, Ponyboy, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having me.

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And I shall simply pose you the question, and we need some, like, game show theme music

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or something like that, but the question, what's in your freak toolbox?

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Well, really, my freak toolkit has kind of fallen apart as of late.

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I haven't really gone out and done a lot of field freaking with it, but generally what

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I keep in my toolkit is I've got a backpack that I usually store.

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I've got a nice Harris butt set that works a lot better, but I also keep, just in case

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I need it, in case I should leave my butt set at home.

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I do carry a beige box with me, but I've found for legal purposes that it's the best idea

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to keep it all in separate pieces.

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So, what I'll do is I'll have, in separate pockets in my bag, I'll have a little Southwestern

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Bell mini phone, and I'll have some, you know, some phone cord, and a Belkin, I specifically

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use a Belkin wall mount RJ11 jack because of the fact that when you open up the jack, you

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can just take out the piece that has the jack itself and the cables.

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It removes directly out of the rest of the housing, so you've got basically the size

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of a, of an RJ11 jack, just a little, you know, maybe like a quarter inch by quarter inch

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or half inch by half inch square with two cables running out and two alligator clips.

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And, uh, I got a magnetic screwdriver with all the...

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Well, wait a minute, before, so you're, you're saying to keep the, uh, your beige box basically

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break it down transformer style, so if you ever get questioned or anything, you've got

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a, just a phone, and then you've got a few wires in another pocket somewhere, and they

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look unrelated.

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That way it's like, because if somebody catches me standing there with a beige box in my pocket,

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they're going to go, hey, that looks like that thing that they told us that people aren't

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supposed to have.

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But if they're just like, oh, look, there's a phone, and, you know, he's got all the stuff

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in it, the, the, probably the most curious thing they'd get is if they saw some alligator

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clips, they'd be like, hmm, this kid must be smoking pot.

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Actually, oh, that's kind of funny you said that, because that's not the first thing I

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thought when I, alligator clips, I think, phone freak, but I guess, yeah, I guess that

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is what a lot of people think.

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Oh, I guess I'm out of touch.

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Well, yeah, it, it happens after, you know.

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Most people, most people who do drugs or police officers who are more concerned,

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concerned with people doing drugs, that's their first thought they'd think, so.

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Yeah, that's, that's actually a very good point.

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And also, you mentioned something else earlier, you actually have a physical, you have a backpack,

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I think you said, you have a physical container, like some people posted pictures in the forums,

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and actually, I think it was Elf who started the thread, which is a great thread, I find

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very interesting.

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And they have pictures of their actual, I don't know what you call the damn thing, it's a

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tool belt or something like that, with all their equipment and stuff in it, which I think

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is really cool.

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But you're, you, you opt for the backpack, I guess, for the obvious privacy that is

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contained, you don't walk around with the tool belt on?

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Yeah, I, I don't draw a lot of attention to myself, but at the same time, I have everything

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where I can get to it fairly easily, so.

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All right, cool.

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All right, what else you got in there?

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But, um, well, that's about for my, for my beige boxing, fun stuff like that, but I

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do keep a, I got a magnetic screwdriver, which, I, I like this one a lot, just because it's

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made by a company, I want to say it's made by a company called Boxer, but, uh, basically

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I like it because you can unscrew the back and it's got, like, a huge storage chamber

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inside, like literally the entire screwdriver is completely hollow.

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So, so I can put, you know, I can put all the bits that I need in there, I can put,

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you know, if I have, you know, some kind of little box or something, I don't know, I

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can put, I can put stuff in there if I need that extra little amount of storage space, which

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I like a lot, and plus it holds the four or five different, uh, different bits that I

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use for my screwdriver.

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Right.

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And, uh, probably the, the most important thing, in my honest opinion, is, uh, what I like to

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call decorations, which I, I, Decorations as in flair?

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In a, in a sense, yeah, I, I, uh, I like to leave presents and things, if I, if I'm

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like in a phone box or something, I'll, uh, you know, you know, I'll, so let's just say

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there's quite a few in the Atlanta area that have an old school freak sticker slapped on

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the inside, or, or, you know, the, the telco company will get, or they'll go and open it

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up sometime soon and find a few CDs with bell core radio on them.

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Uh-huh.

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I like to just leave things around, because not only just for the fact of phone company

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employees, but for the fact of, you know, if somebody else like me happens to go open

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something up someday and they're like, hey, this looks cool, let's go check out oldschoolfreak.com.

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There you go.

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Of course, anybody could put those things in there.

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I mean, it's, could be anybody that opens that and puts those CDs in there, just for

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the record, in case anyone's listening.

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Yeah.

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I'm not saying it was me, I'm just saying there are some around here.

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Sure, certainly, understandable.

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But, uh, and then, I mean, you know, just, uh, general stuff, gloves, of course, just because

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if you're going to be touching things that have electricity running through them, first of all,

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you want to wear gloves, and also...

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Any particular, any particular type of glove that you recommend, or brand, or something

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that you're, that you like?

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I just got some cheapo wool gloves from the gas station.

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Some cheap wool gloves to handle electricity.

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It works.

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All right.

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Well, you got to take into consideration it's not high voltage stuff, so...

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Wow.

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It's just to prevent that, that nice dull shock that you get if you touch the, uh, touch a

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live pair of telephone wires.

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Gotcha.

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But, uh, and then, you know, I, like, I keep, uh, you know, notebooks and pens, and I like

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to carry Sharpies around with me for, uh, for, really for the same reason I was, I, I put

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decorations and things inside it for people who might come along after me and need it.

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I don't really encourage people to beige box unless it's, you know, absolutely necessary.

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Right.

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But I had a, uh, a mission at one point in time that lasted for about three days was that

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every time that, this was back when I beige boxed all the time, every time I was inside

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a phone box, I would check all the pairs and any of them that were active, I'd, I'd put

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a mark there with a Sharpie so that people could come in later and say, oh, look, this one's

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active and this one's active and this one's active.

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But, you know, that way I don't have to test, you know, 25 other pairs just to see.

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All right.

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But those things change constantly from the phone company as they activate and deactivate

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them.

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Generally, but, uh, in the sense of, in a lot of suburban neighborhoods and stuff, or, I mean,

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especially in my area where people don't really move out very often or cancel their phone lines

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very often, it, we don't really run into that kind of problem out here as much, but I can

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see where you're coming from there, but.

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Right.

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And then, uh, I, I like to keep just, this is kind of the, the paranoid part of me, but

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I like, I like to keep some smoke bumps if I need to.

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It's for the fact of, if I do see somebody walking towards me, I can do something to distract

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them while I get away or keep them from seeing where I'm running to, so.

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So you're like, like ninja style, you're going to throw the smoke bottle and disappear?

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They come in the knees and go.

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But like I said, I mean, I, I've never actually come from the point where I've had to use those.

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Right.

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But I always, I always keep them down there at the bottom of my book bag somewhere just

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in case there's a.

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Well, it's interesting.

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In case of emergency.

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Interesting to have just in case, I guess.

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Yeah.

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What about, um, do you go so far, do you go so far as to possibly dress up, uniform,

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hat, that kind of thing?

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Uh, generally speaking, what I've found is the best is, I know a lot of people that if

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they're going out at night to try and do sneaky things or whatever, they're going to wear black.

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And they're going to, or the most common I've found is black or camouflage.

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And I've come to the conclusion that those are the worst colors to wear if you're out

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sneaking around at night, because if you're out sneaking around at night and somebody calls

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the cops on you, and even if you're not there anymore, if the cops see you while you're

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walking down the street, they're going to go, oh, look, there's that guy in the black

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trench coat they told us about.

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Hmm.

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So what I, so what I, what I've found is the best thing to do is to wear stuff like, uh,

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you know, dark green.

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Don't, well, first of all, don't wear a solid color for everything.

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Wear, you know, dark greens or browns or, uh, like really deep maroon colors.

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So it looks like you're just wearing something like, hey, I'm just a guy wearing normal colors.

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It's not, it's not like a, it doesn't look like you're going out of your way to, you

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know, look like a shadow, but at the same time, you do kind of look like a shadow.

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Right.

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Right.

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No, and that's great advice from the social engineering aspect of if you do get picked

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up or if you do get stopped on the side of the road, you know, if you're, if you are

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wearing the black trench coat or the camouflage or whatever, it's going to be more difficult

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to talk your way out of it as opposed to you acting, if you try to act stupid in an outfit

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that they're looking for, that's one thing.

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If you try to act stupid and you look normal, you're wearing some dark jeans, a dark shirt

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like you described, you can say, hey, I don't know what you're talking about, dude.

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I'm just walking down the street here.

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Yeah.

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I think that guy went over the bear.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then throw a smoke bomb and run like hell.

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Or not.

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Once they leave, you book it.

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Or not.

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Yeah.

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No, don't throw smoke bombs or anything else at the police.

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Anyway.

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All right.

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You got anything else in there?

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That really about covers it.

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I mean, I'll keep, at one point in time before I kind of got stepped on an accident, I had,

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you know, the classic Radio Shack tone dialer red box thing that was, you know, it was my

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hot item and I really regret taking it out in the field because it was kind of a collector's

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item in my opinion.

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But that broke, so I've had to kind of resort to using things like, like I've got an iRiver

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that I'll hook up my big monster audio editing headphones to and use that to kind of send

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tones anytime I need to.

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But other than that, you know, just, just simple little crap like busy boxes if I, you know,

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if I feel the need to use one or random bits of RJ11 cable and crimpers and stuff like that.

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But other than that, I don't really do a lot of, uh, field freaking anymore, so.

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Yeah, I think it might just be a dying art, unfortunately.

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Well, it's not, it's not so much that it's dying, people still do it a lot, it's just

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that it's kind of one of those things like you have, well, I guess it's what you, what

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you call field freaking, you've got field freaking like, you know, beige boxing and going out

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and red boxing or whatever, and you've got a lot of people who do that still or attempt

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to do that still, but after a while, after you've been involved with the freaking scene

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enough, you start to like, eh, that's really not that cool anymore.

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It's like, yeah, I can go out and I can, you know, hook up to somebody's phone, get a free

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phone call, woohoo.

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Yeah, but it's, it's more of learning, it's more of learning that infrastructure of how they

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work is the more important aspect of it, not so much the free phone call as, as you've

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said many times in the past.

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Exactly, I mean, and you still have a lot of people that are interested in it, but once,

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it's, it's kind of like, that's, that's kind of the beginning stages of it, is you're

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like, wow, this is really cool, and this is really cool, and then after a while you're

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like, okay, so now I know how that works, so I don't really have to go out anymore.

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It's like you've kind of, for lack of a better term, you've kind of grown up in the scene.

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Well, there's still always that adventure of, if you go someplace new, visit someplace

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new, move, you always want to kind of check out and scout what your new situation is, so

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that's always nice to, to do that for the adventure and for the knowledge of it, but

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yeah, you know, if you don't move a lot, and then, yeah, you pretty much know how your

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local setup is, it pretty much loses its steam.

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Yeah, and I must say, a lot of times, when, you know, when places, when the, like, like,

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they just recently started building more strip malls and things in my area, and I find that

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that's a really fun time to go field freaking, is right when they get those phone boxes set

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up, because generally, if you go inside those at that point in time, there's going to be

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a lot of cool stuff in there, because they're, they're still working in that area, the phone

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company is, so they're going to leave a lot of the documentation there, they're going to

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leave, you know, potentially little fun tools or toys for you to get and play with,

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but, I mean, that's, that's the best time to actually, not, not so much go to beige box

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or whatever, but just to go to open it up and see what's there, and say, hey, cool, this

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is like, you know, I, I found, uh, documentation on actually installing the big, giant phone,

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uh, TNI boxes that they put on the back of strip malls, so.

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Right.

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And, and, and, every one is different, too, that's the other thing, every single one of those

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boxes are set up differently, older technology, newer technology, there's so many differences

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between them as well, so that once you've done it once and kind of understood it, there's

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always something interesting in every other box you want to go look into, they're all

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different in some way, shape, or form, and there may be some similarities, but there's

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always something there that's, that's interesting, at least from what I've seen in my very, very

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limited experience.

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Yeah, for Hack TV, too.

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There you go, there you go.

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All right, well, I guess we'll wrap it up here, Pony Boy, thank you for being on the

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show.

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For having me, man.

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Everyone, listen to Bellcore Radio.

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That's right, Saturday nights at 8 o'clock on DDP Hack Radio.

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There you go, and we are out.

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And next up, on our review of Freak Toolkits, or toolboxes, or whatever you want to call

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it, is a person who's been a friend of the show for a good while, Livin' Dead, star of

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Freak Factor, one of the many stars of Freak Factor, so welcome to the show, Livin' Dead.

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And tell us what's in your Freak Toolbox.

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In my Freak Toolbox, I have my pickup coil, my 16th inch to 8th inch recorder.

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Now, that is used for what, exactly?

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The pickup coil is for picking up?

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Well, you put it on the back of a phone receiver, and it will pick up the vibrations coming from

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the receiver, and you can plug that into a recorder.

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I used to use a mini disc that went broke, so I'll see the new one, but you can record

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phone calls with that.

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A Sony product broke?

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Is that really possible?

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A Sony product actually broke?

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Is that possible?

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Well, this is about five or six years old, also.

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Yeah, it was made by Sony, that was the problem.

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But anyway.

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Well, they're pretty good, actually, but I've dropped it enough times.

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Anyway, so you recorded on anything, then whatever you have available, whatever you want

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to record it on?

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Yeah, I actually fried my sound card using it one time, which wasn't a good thing, but...

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How did you manage that?

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I'm not sure.

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It was actually the other recorder, not the pickup coil.

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It fried my sound card, and I've had some bad luck with that computer since.

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Hmm.

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But anyways, so I have my other recorder, which you can plug in a headset to, and plug that

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into the headset spot on a regular phone.

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Some have, and some don't.

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And then plug the other end into a recording device, computer, mini-discplayer, microperset,

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any other kind of recorder, and you can record phone calls from that.

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It doesn't require the kind of receiver that the pickup coil can use, but I use it with

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my cell phone a lot.

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Then I have my tone dialer.

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Well, actually, before we leave the pickup coil, is that something that people can build

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or buy somewhere?

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Can they go to Rat Shack and get the parts for that pretty easily?

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It's about $6 at Radio Shack, I think.

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And it's already pre-built?

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You just go buy it off the shelf?

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Yeah.

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They're pretty small, too, man.

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Like, $6 there.

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Cool.

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Good deal.

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All right.

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And you were getting ready to say?

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I have my tone dialer in there, which I really don't use all that much.

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I use it more for my VoIP stuff when I'm trying to pass tones and a bridge is blocking them

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or the soft phone won't pass it or my cell phone won't pass it.

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But you do find yourself actually still using that today?

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Oh, yeah.

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All the time with VoIP.

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Interesting.

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So tone dialers are not dead.

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That's an interesting point to make.

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Yeah.

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And what else?

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Well, my cell phone and some paper, a pad of paper in there, pens.

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I've got to have a freak notebook.

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And, of course, a cell phone is just, you know, I think everybody overlooks the cell phone

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for its, you know, freak capabilities, if you will.

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I mean, besides the obvious.

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But some cell phones, you know, actually you can download and run software on it.

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You can run, you can save quarter tones and all that kind of good stuff.

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We won't go into whether that still works or whatnot.

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But there's a lot of stuff that you can do if you have one of the higher end

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or one of the newer cell phones as well.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's a lot of new stuff coming out, especially with Bluetooth.

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It's going to be pretty fun.

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Yeah.

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Excellent.

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Excellent.

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Now, do you have it?

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My other stuff is just my laptop, which I use for more VoIP stuff.

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So I don't do as much POTS stuff as I use VoIP now.

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So I don't really have much in the way of the toolkit.

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Well, and that's interesting, though, because that's kind of a good segue to our next guest

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on the show because he's even more so along those lines.

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A lot of people are going, and I guess this is kind of a new school freaking

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as opposed to the old school freaking.

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A lot of people are changing with the onset of VoIP,

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and I'm finding that things like the laptops and cell phones and stuff like that

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are more common than people still using the old punch-down tools

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and the old, old school stuff.

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I mean, I'm assuming now, I don't mean to put words in your mouth,

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but I'm assuming you're not walking around with a physical pouch attached to your hip or anything.

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No, I don't have that, but I think Strom does.

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Yeah, see, and a lot of the old school freaks still, you know,

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they still have a lot of those old school tools and stuff,

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and a lot of people more recently, I should say,

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are switching over to more computerized accessories in their toolkits.

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So that's been pretty consistent so far.

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Well, Lev and Deb, thank you for being on the show.

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I appreciate you coming on and answering the question,

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and I would say that we have some lovely parting gifts for you, but we don't.

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Oh, the parting gifts.

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But you get my thanks, and all right, man, thanks for being on the show,

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and we'll talk to you later.

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All right.

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And to continue on with our question,

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what is in your freak toolkit or toolbox or whatever the hell we're calling this segment,

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I thought we'd kind of get into the nuts and bolts

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and kind of the underbelly of the system a little bit

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and talk about some more obscure tools,

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and who better to talk about that than a multiple-time past co-host,

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I don't know if that made any sense, of the radio show, ZeroDB.

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Welcome to the show.

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What's up?

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Well, you tell me what's up.

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What's in your freak toolkit?

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Well, I thought about this a little while, and I said, you know what,

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I think I'll talk about a little more obscure things of the telephony

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and how telephony works.

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Anything from the switch down to actually how it actually works into the home

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on your regular box line, as far as the old-school style,

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as opposed to the new-school Voight style.

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Although it's kind of in parallel, the way the whole thing works,

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but as we all know, the central office is the main place,

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the originating source of everyone's dial tone, or everyone's circuit, no matter what.

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Right.

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Well, usually everything starts out on a carrier level, say like a T3 level.

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Right.

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And how does the switch?

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Once you get down at a T3 level, you know, it just demultiplics down to a T1,

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to a DSO, which is like a regular 1FB or a residence line.

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Now, one of the tools that we can use to actually test or maintain and check continuity

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would be a tool that most ISPs or telephony guys use, something called a T-Bird,

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which is just one tool.

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There are many other type tools, but the T-Bird is usually a tool of choice

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for testing these pipes.

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We call pipes like a T1 or a T3.

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And the T-Bird is used, basically, you jack into something called a DSX,

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and that DSX is basically one T1 that comes into the office and goes out to the provider.

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Now, once you jack in, you can do something called a drop and insert,

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which is basically dropping a channel on the T1,

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because a T1 is 24 channels at 64K, which will give you your 1.5 meg if you do the math.

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So that 64K channel, that one channel, you can monitor it.

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You can listen.

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You can do any testing you want to do on that one channel.

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Also, you can actually test the whole 24 channel or the whole T1, if need be,

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providing that there is a loopable device on the other end or some sort of package.

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Most ISPs call these packages smart jacks.

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And all it is is basically just a card that the T-Bird can place a loop, a hardware loop,

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and it has relays in the card.

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And you run to that loop and check your patterns,

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and whatever pattern you send out, you should get it back.

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It doesn't matter if you're testing from Seattle, Washington,

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and you're testing to a circuit in Puerto Rico.

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Well, it's going to be the same thing.

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The carrier is what basically carries the signal, which will be the T3 or at the T1 level.

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But, again, these types of equipment are pretty much really high-end equipment.

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They're not something that the normal user would use, per se,

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but if you're in an ISP environment or a telephony environment,

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these tools are like the standard-issued tools.

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Now, there are different types, but like I mentioned before,

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T-Bird is usually the industry standard thing.

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Alcatel.

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Alcatel?

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Hold on.

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Alcatel, yeah.

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No, Alcatel.

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Jesus Christ.

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It's eluding me at the moment.

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But, anyhow, T-Bird, they don't call it by the other name.

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Mostly people call it by T-Bird.

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Down to the ESO level, which would be...

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Well, now, wait a minute.

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Since you kind of brought it up, you kind of mentioned it,

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this is not, obviously it's not something that a normal home user or anything would have,

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but this is, I mean, that's definitely a free tool right there for the toolkit,

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but that's not even something that, I mean, is that,

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that's not something that's easy to get your hands on, right?

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Right.

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No, it just came back to me.

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Acturna is the name of the company.

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They brought out the T-Bird name, Acturna.

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And they have all types of equipment, digital equipment, for testing these circuits.

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But, yeah, that's not something that the normal user would get their hands on.

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You know, a person like you and I, it's just a little bit too expensive.

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Although, I'm sure they're on eBay, I'm sure they're on, you know,

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any other kind of scratch and dent type place that sells telephone equipment.

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Now, when you say expensive, are we talking hundreds, thousands?

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Oh, a couple thousand, a few thousand, actually.

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Over five, more than likely.

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Yeah, once you get to your 2309s and 2310, Acturna, T-Birds,

01:00:21.120 --> 01:00:24.120
you're talking with the LCD touchscreen and all of that,

01:00:24.660 --> 01:00:31.920
with optical, fiber optic connectors, you can test, you know, gigabit.

01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:39.520
You can test 10 meg across fibers, and it's pretty expensive.

01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:45.120
Yeah, that sounds like it might be a little bit rough for maybe some of our listeners

01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:46.380
to take their hands on some of those.

01:00:46.460 --> 01:00:48.060
It's nice to know that it's out there for sure.

01:00:48.180 --> 01:00:50.060
I mean, some people actually might be interested enough,

01:00:50.540 --> 01:00:55.980
or they might have access or a way to get one of those by different methods,

01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:56.940
whatever they may be.

01:00:57.220 --> 01:00:59.620
But what about something a little bit more, a little bit closer to home?

01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:02.900
I think you were getting ready to talk about something closer in the closets.

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Yeah, something more down to earth here.

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And on the DSO level, which is, when I say mention DSO,

01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:15.660
I'm talking about the line that actually comes into your home or to your business.

01:01:16.300 --> 01:01:21.180
That one line is just one channel of a T1.

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As I mentioned before, everything starts out,

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and the carrier lever goes to a T1 and then breaks down to individual DSOs.

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Now, at the home, if you leave like in a condo or an apartment-type residential area,

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more than likely there's a phone room, and usually the phone room is just open.

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It's an electrical room or an electrical room.

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And if you look around closely, you'll see, you know, a bunch of wires and whatnot.

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That's usually your telephone equipment, telephone box.

01:01:57.560 --> 01:02:02.500
They call it a terminal as well as a block, 66 block.

01:02:03.380 --> 01:02:09.920
Now, on those blocks is like little metal pins and whatnot that the wires are punched down on.

01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:13.420
And didn't we actually show one of these?

01:02:13.420 --> 01:02:15.520
Yes, Act TV, yep.

01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:16.220
Act TV.

01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:20.980
It was shown in that a couple blocks with the punch down,

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and this is what the telephony individuals use to actually connect the phone lines

01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:36.500
into the specific apartment or condo, and they use something called a punch down tool.

01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:37.040
Okay.

01:02:37.040 --> 01:02:39.960
The punch down tool is really accessible.

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You can get it from any Lowe's, Home Depot, any communications book, any communications store, Radio Shack.

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Fairly cheap?

01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:51.080
You will have it.

01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:52.420
You can get your hands on that.

01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:53.200
No big deal.

01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:53.900
Fairly cheap?

01:02:54.460 --> 01:02:55.260
Fairly cheap.

01:02:56.420 --> 01:02:59.580
There are, again, different styles to punch down tools,

01:02:59.660 --> 01:03:03.460
but, I mean, you don't need a whole bunch of different things on.

01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:07.520
You just need something to punch you down with if you decide to take off with your jumper.

01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:14.720
However, most guys would like to mess around with that and, you know, use their beige box or whatever,

01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:15.940
clip on or whatever.

01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:23.420
Or even if you have a butt set, you can actually clip on to the pins and, you know, just go off hook,

01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:29.340
and providing that there's a dial tone there, go off hook on the butt set and you've got dial tone.

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Place a call as regular, make a call as regular, receive a call as regular.

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But if someone is home at the time and someone's calling that number, if you pick up and then the residents pick up,

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whoever line you're on, they want to know what the heck's going on.

01:03:48.100 --> 01:03:48.940
But just be careful.

01:03:48.940 --> 01:03:54.100
Well, and, of course, that's where, you know, as Ponyboy says, throw a smoke bomb and run.

01:03:54.940 --> 01:03:55.340
Yeah.

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And a flashbang if you have.

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Ninja style, that's right.

01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:01.580
Yeah, disorient them and then run.

01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:03.720
Wow.

01:04:03.860 --> 01:04:12.160
But, yeah, the other tools that can be used is something called a 216.

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And, basically, when you think of 216, you think of measurements.

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And that's exactly what it is.

01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:25.460
It's a tool with a, like a hex end on it, which is 216.

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And that's what you can also use to get into certain terminals.

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And they're all standard.

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No matter what terminal you go to, it's going to be 216.

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And it's usually a little piece of plastic with iron on both ends.

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And it's about, I don't know, six or seven inches in length.

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And one end is usually a little bit bigger than the other one.

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But it's still called a 216.

01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:01.000
And there's another tool, something called an island wrench.

01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:07.200
But it's not just your regular little iron wrench that you buy from, like, Radio Shack or whatever with the whole set.

01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:12.080
It's usually, it's a little bit heavier.

01:05:12.260 --> 01:05:13.100
It's a little bit bigger.

01:05:13.900 --> 01:05:15.000
But actually a lot bigger.

01:05:15.700 --> 01:05:22.760
And the end that you open some of the cabinets with is not flat.

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It's not all steel.

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It's like a little cutaway on the inside.

01:05:27.100 --> 01:05:34.460
But when you insert the tool, it actually inserts into this little space on the cabinet where you can actually turn it.

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And if that, actually, island wrench on the inside part of it isn't cut away, then you won't be able to open the cabinet.

01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:44.560
But that's something special.

01:05:45.100 --> 01:05:47.460
I don't think you can buy that in any store.

01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:58.120
That's something that you would have to get from some communication, high-end book or magazine or something like that.

01:05:58.260 --> 01:05:59.100
Possibly on eBay?

01:06:00.380 --> 01:06:01.440
Possibly on eBay.

01:06:01.660 --> 01:06:04.360
Yeah, I would think that you could probably find it on eBay.

01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:10.380
But that's not something most people would have either.

01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:17.880
And that, again, is, and those are used, again, to get into the cabinets that may be locked up or something like that?

01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:18.640
Correct.

01:06:18.640 --> 01:06:25.420
A lot of cases, the cabinets are just open anyway, so it might not be necessary depending on the situation.

01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:39.220
Right, but under normal circumstances, you don't want to stand out on the corner trying to get into this box when you have a meeting room or phone room, you know, that has a door.

01:06:39.620 --> 01:06:39.860
Right.

01:06:39.860 --> 01:06:43.860
And you can, you know, pretty much just close the door behind you and do what you've got to do there.

01:06:44.420 --> 01:06:48.620
But, you know, that's kind of an extreme case.

01:06:48.700 --> 01:06:53.100
I don't know if you're going to be, you know, if you're in the dark or whatever, but.

01:06:53.100 --> 01:06:55.760
Well, I mean, actually, that's.

01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:00.540
But you don't want to draw too much attention to yourself, so I would kind of kind of keep it close to the meeting rooms.

01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:02.920
Yeah, and that's actually, you kind of mentioned a good point there.

01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:04.820
I don't think we've heard anybody mention a flashlight yet.

01:07:04.820 --> 01:07:10.320
If you are out at night and need to be able to see but still be somewhat inconspicuous, a little light.

01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:16.540
Actually have a light that wraps around your head or around your helmet or a hat or just around your head.

01:07:16.660 --> 01:07:17.040
It's easy.

01:07:17.140 --> 01:07:18.300
That way you keep your hands free.

01:07:19.020 --> 01:07:19.400
Oh, yeah.

01:07:19.460 --> 01:07:22.700
What I usually use is a flashlight but with a red lens.

01:07:23.100 --> 01:07:30.720
That way, low intensity light, you know, you know, from afar you can't really see the light as opposed to like a regular flashlight with a white light.

01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:32.240
Oh, sneaky.

01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:34.280
Or halogen or LED.

01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:35.180
Yeah.

01:07:35.180 --> 01:07:50.180
You know, I usually have a red, you know, like with a special ops user, military user, have a little red tent or red cover or red film on top of it to kind of lower the intensity of the light.

01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:52.660
Look at you all camouflaged in like Predator.

01:07:53.220 --> 01:07:58.260
Well, you know, sometimes certain things call for certain things.

01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:00.420
You just got to be creative sometimes, you know.

01:08:00.420 --> 01:08:01.000
That's right.

01:08:02.600 --> 01:08:03.420
Oh, man.

01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:05.040
Well, what else we got?

01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:12.520
Well, another tool that most people I'm sure have heard about is DATU.

01:08:12.520 --> 01:08:21.140
And DATU is obviously just a system that you can call into from anywhere, providing that you have the number.

01:08:22.040 --> 01:08:30.640
And this DATU, you can set up, you can find out what the number is to an ANAC.

01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:38.820
But if you're ANAC and you already know what the number is or needs really ANAC, you can set up a tone, a milliwatt.

01:08:39.020 --> 01:08:45.040
You can actually place shorts on the actual facility or the pair or the number.

01:08:45.200 --> 01:08:55.660
Or you can open the number or you can ground it or tip ring short the pair or tip ring ground the pair or ring ground the pair.

01:08:55.660 --> 01:09:05.300
It's basically a menu-driven system that you have to listen to if you want this, press that, if you want this, press that, if you want this, press that.

01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:10.140
And it takes a little time to listen to all the menus.

01:09:10.740 --> 01:09:17.600
So if you're somewhere and you're kind of in a rush, you know, it takes a little while because you have to listen.

01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:23.800
And you have to listen carefully to what the menus are telling you, providing what you want to do on DATU.

01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:35.320
Usually DATU is basically like a card that's set up in the central office, which is connected to a test system.

01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:44.660
And through DATU, which actually connects to the test system, you can actually perform these different tests.

01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:46.420
They're pretty much just tests.

01:09:47.060 --> 01:09:51.440
You know, it's nothing really to mess up with DATU.

01:09:51.440 --> 01:10:01.000
It's just usually testing for continuity, testing, verifying cable facility, verifying pair, verifying number, pretty much.

01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:01.900
Right.

01:10:02.200 --> 01:10:10.080
And, but see, generally speaking, that's also kind of a good – and we can't go into this too much because it would take way too much time on the show.

01:10:10.080 --> 01:10:17.620
But I guess suffice it to say that there are numbers out there, whether they're numbers to a DATU unit, which is – was I correct?

01:10:17.700 --> 01:10:19.440
It's direct access test unit, right?

01:10:19.740 --> 01:10:20.540
Correct, correct.

01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:25.660
But not only that, I mean, there are lots of handy numbers that you can use for testing.

01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:29.040
And DATU is kind of a generic term referring to a lot of them.

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:35.000
But, I mean, a lot of other handy numbers are like the – you know, a lot of the 800 numbers are the 8s as they refer to them.

01:10:35.700 --> 01:10:39.800
If you could go to like the old school freaking forum at BinRev.com, pimp, pimp.

01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.920
And there are lots of phone numbers that are going around in there.

01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:51.060
There's some pinned things at the top with some interesting and useful numbers that will read back your CPN, your Annie, your et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:10:51.160 --> 01:10:52.180
So there's a lot of numbers.

01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:58.480
I mean, you can set up an asterisk box and do that yourself, but then you're dialing one of your own numbers that's associated to you.

01:10:58.700 --> 01:11:00.120
And, yeah, we don't want to go there.

01:11:00.240 --> 01:11:03.840
But there are a lot of other numbers out there that you can use for testing.

01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:09.840
So if you just go out there and check out sites like oldschoolphreak.com, binrev.com, and many others out there,

01:11:09.860 --> 01:11:12.980
you can find a lot of other useful testing numbers that you can dial.

01:11:13.180 --> 01:11:17.560
And I'm glad you brought that up because, you know, we're talking tools and we're thinking toolkit.

01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.160
We're thinking physical tools, and it's not.

01:11:20.240 --> 01:11:25.940
A lot of the best tools are just software tools or diagnostic tools and utilities that are simply a number that you dial.

01:11:26.580 --> 01:11:26.980
Exactly.

01:11:27.260 --> 01:11:28.900
Mostly remote now.

01:11:28.980 --> 01:11:32.580
We're getting to an environment all over the world where everything is done remotely.

01:11:32.580 --> 01:11:39.880
And it's really beneficial, I think, because you don't necessarily have to be on-site to do any testing.

01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:41.320
You do it remotely.

01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:44.980
And a lot of the DATU systems are set up now with passwords.

01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.200
So even if you do decide to get the password, be careful.

01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:50.220
Yes, another good point.

01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:51.260
Because they are watching.

01:11:52.040 --> 01:12:00.040
Another very good point is absolutely, even if the password is easy or on default or whatever, a password is still a password.

01:12:00.040 --> 01:12:08.100
As silly as it may sound, they're obviously not trying too hard to put a good password or secure it very, I would argue, that they're even trying.

01:12:08.200 --> 01:12:09.000
They're leaving it on default.

01:12:09.160 --> 01:12:10.540
I wouldn't even say they're trying to secure it.

01:12:10.580 --> 01:12:11.920
But technically it exists.

01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:17.400
So understand what you're getting into if you do cross that particular line.

01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:25.380
Now, dialing an 800 number or some other things is probably less dangerous, I guess, for lack of a better word.

01:12:25.460 --> 01:12:27.460
But it depends on, of course, what you're doing anyway.

01:12:27.580 --> 01:12:30.120
You may already be in a danger zone of what you're doing anyway.

01:12:30.120 --> 01:12:39.380
But anything password protected, obviously, is a big red flag to say, hey, this is something proprietary information.

01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:40.580
This is whatever.

01:12:40.780 --> 01:12:41.800
This isn't secure.

01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:50.420
If you're unauthorized, you can face some serious actions.

01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:53.420
As many have done recently.

01:12:54.220 --> 01:12:55.960
Yeah, so just be careful.

01:12:56.220 --> 01:13:05.040
I mean, you know, if they have it there for a reason, they don't want you there, then, you know, just move on to something a little bit more easier or unpassword protected.

01:13:05.460 --> 01:13:06.340
And you know what?

01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:14.560
And we're, of course, just putting this information out there as tools, and we're not telling you to use them or how to use them or to use them at all.

01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.180
So just putting it out there for what it's worth.

01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.080
Educational purposes only.

01:13:19.080 --> 01:13:19.640
That's right.

01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:21.040
Put the little disclaimer on there.

01:13:22.240 --> 01:13:22.600
All right.

01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.560
Well, and actually, that's kind of a good segue.

01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:27.300
I don't want to cut you off if you had something else.

01:13:28.220 --> 01:13:28.560
Oh, no.

01:13:28.620 --> 01:13:28.940
Go ahead.

01:13:29.100 --> 01:13:29.420
Go ahead.

01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:43.140
I think that's kind of a good segue into one of our next people is kind of talking what you mentioned about the changes or the remote administration and stuff like that is, you know, there's kind of this – and this is just me making this up.

01:13:43.140 --> 01:13:50.060
I don't know if there is an official distinction, but kind of like old-school freaking versus new-school freaking if there is such a thing.

01:13:50.060 --> 01:13:51.840
And, yes, I'm just making this stuff up.

01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:58.560
But, you know, old-school freaking, you think of going out to these boxes and seeing how they work.

01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:06.500
And that's all well and good and still interesting and still fun, but a lot of the new-school freaking is more VoIP-oriented.

01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:13.460
It's more remote where you're just accessing and interfacing with the computers behind the physical phone system.

01:14:14.660 --> 01:14:15.080
All right.

01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:42.120
Well, even all the phone system and switches are now basically just software-driven, and a lot of ISPs, a lot of providers, cell providers, regular landline providers are going more towards the software, going more towards VoIP, going more towards just IP-based networking.

01:14:42.120 --> 01:14:48.760
They're kind of getting away from all the switches, the one-day switch with the relays and all of that jazz.

01:14:49.080 --> 01:14:57.620
Everything is really going to be IP-based, I suspect, in the next – within 25, 30 years, I would think, or less.

01:14:58.120 --> 01:14:58.800
Yeah, probably.

01:14:58.920 --> 01:14:59.900
I would think even less.

01:15:00.300 --> 01:15:00.580
Yeah.

01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:09.380
But thinking along those lines with the VoIP and the new-school freaking, I think we will move on and let Natis talk about that a little bit,

01:15:09.380 --> 01:15:16.600
because I'm pretty sure that's more into Natis' jurisdiction and area of expertise, even though he does run OldSchoolFreak.com.

01:15:17.100 --> 01:15:17.500
Right.

01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:20.600
So, ZeroDB, thank you for being on the show, buddy.

01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:22.400
Hey, any time, man.

01:15:22.540 --> 01:15:23.160
Any time.

01:15:23.580 --> 01:15:27.140
And I look forward to having some fun up in New York City here in about a month, right?

01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:28.040
Oh, yeah.

01:15:28.140 --> 01:15:30.720
We'll be up there representing the South.

01:15:30.900 --> 01:15:31.600
That's right.

01:15:31.900 --> 01:15:32.760
The dirty, dirty.

01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:34.720
So, we will see you guys up there.

01:15:34.820 --> 01:15:35.340
Thanks again.

01:15:35.340 --> 01:15:37.500
And let's move on to Natis.

01:15:39.220 --> 01:15:39.820
All right.

01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:42.860
So, we've heard from a lot of freaks on what's in their toolkit today.

01:15:43.120 --> 01:15:47.660
So, let's let her turn to somebody that's, I guess, a little bit different from your average freak.

01:15:47.740 --> 01:15:51.860
I hope that's not a bad thing to say, but a little bit more new school, if you will.

01:15:51.940 --> 01:15:56.580
So, I decided to get Natis on the phone to talk about what's in his freak toolkit.

01:15:57.200 --> 01:15:58.520
Natis, what do you got for us?

01:15:59.160 --> 01:15:59.420
Yo.

01:15:59.420 --> 01:16:01.040
So, I don't know.

01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:05.060
I feel kind of weird because I'm looking at this right on the forums where this whole thing started.

01:16:06.020 --> 01:16:16.120
And, I mean, everybody's got pictures of all their stuff and all these tools, like wire cutters and all that crazy stuff, multimeters and stuff like that.

01:16:16.160 --> 01:16:18.100
But I don't have anything like that, really.

01:16:18.100 --> 01:16:25.180
I mean, I have, right in front of me, I have a Harris TS-19 butt set that I got from a friend.

01:16:25.820 --> 01:16:27.820
His dad actually had it in the garage sitting around.

01:16:27.940 --> 01:16:28.700
He got it from work.

01:16:29.400 --> 01:16:30.500
I think he stole it from work.

01:16:30.620 --> 01:16:32.340
And he didn't even know what it was, so he gave it to me.

01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.460
So, I mean, I have a butt set.

01:16:35.940 --> 01:16:38.540
Do you actually carry that around with you, though, on your freak adventures?

01:16:40.300 --> 01:16:40.620
Sometimes.

01:16:42.200 --> 01:16:44.500
Certain things in New York City, yeah, it was used for.

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:45.600
Uh-huh.

01:16:45.780 --> 01:16:47.380
We'll leave it right there on that.

01:16:47.380 --> 01:16:53.160
But, yeah, you're more into more like the kind of the software side of things, the soft phone, that kind of stuff, right?

01:16:53.820 --> 01:16:59.960
Yeah, you know, you asked me if I carry around like a Supera or an Eeksy when I travel.

01:17:00.620 --> 01:17:01.740
But I actually don't.

01:17:01.820 --> 01:17:02.880
I know some people who do.

01:17:03.900 --> 01:17:12.580
But I think maybe if I was going to, like, Defcon or Hope or something, I would definitely bring one of those, probably an Eeksy or maybe even a Cisco phone.

01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:15.440
But that would be in my toolkit.

01:17:15.440 --> 01:17:21.220
But, yeah, I'm a lot more software-based, I guess, as long as I have my BlackBerry.

01:17:21.420 --> 01:17:27.780
That's my main freak toolkit feature right there with the BlackBerry.

01:17:28.020 --> 01:17:29.760
What about a good old-fashioned tone dialer?

01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:34.360
I had a couple of them, but I modded them all to be red boxes.

01:17:36.700 --> 01:17:38.220
But you don't carry those around with you either?

01:17:39.440 --> 01:17:40.220
No, not anymore.

01:17:40.220 --> 01:17:43.440
So you carry your laptop.

01:17:44.740 --> 01:17:48.460
Yeah, it's kind of funny that you said that, and I thought about the red boxing thing.

01:17:48.860 --> 01:17:56.220
Because last time when I was at Hope, I had my power book pressed up against the microphone of a phone.

01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:57.740
It's a red box.

01:17:59.640 --> 01:18:00.420
You should have got that.

01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:01.660
That would have been a good visual there.

01:18:02.480 --> 01:18:03.860
Yeah, that would have been pretty funny, actually.

01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:04.660
Everybody was looking at me.

01:18:04.660 --> 01:18:05.660
They obviously knew what I was doing.

01:18:05.660 --> 01:18:09.740
So, I mean, again, you've got the CrackBerry.

01:18:09.940 --> 01:18:16.160
I mean, when you're on the road traveling for whatever reason, you don't find a need for, like I said earlier,

01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:20.240
my Sapporo box that I talk about or a VoIP phone of any kind.

01:18:20.380 --> 01:18:24.060
I mean, with a cell phone, I mean, you already got all the long distance you can eat.

01:18:24.140 --> 01:18:25.840
Is there really any need to carry that around?

01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:29.400
No, not really.

01:18:29.460 --> 01:18:31.280
As long as I have a BlackBerry, like I said, I'm set.

01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:34.120
I have a, obviously, everything's hooked up to Asterisk.

01:18:34.900 --> 01:18:41.320
And so I have specific web, some custom web pages I made with PHP and stuff that will do certain things for me.

01:18:42.120 --> 01:18:43.920
So a lot of it is software-based, yeah.

01:18:44.240 --> 01:18:45.140
So do you do a lot of?

01:18:45.980 --> 01:18:49.280
As long as I have web browser access, which I can do right through my BlackBerry.

01:18:49.660 --> 01:18:50.600
And that's what I was going to say.

01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:51.840
Do you do a lot of remote administration?

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:55.800
Do you use your Asterisk box while you're on the road for many things?

01:18:56.440 --> 01:19:00.160
Yep, I would say that's the main accessory in my Freak Toolkit next to my cell phone.

01:19:00.700 --> 01:19:04.080
Is your Asterisk box and remote access to your Asterisk box.

01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:04.940
Yep.

01:19:05.780 --> 01:19:07.080
Good old BlackBerry web browser.

01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:09.100
So that's the new school, huh?

01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.180
I guess so, even though I run old school Freak.

01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.380
Well, maybe we need to register new school Freak.

01:19:18.160 --> 01:19:18.480
Sure.

01:19:18.780 --> 01:19:20.160
Kind of put them up side by side.

01:19:20.160 --> 01:19:21.900
There'll be sister sites or something like that.

01:19:22.060 --> 01:19:25.360
We better do it before this episode airs or somebody's going to fucking gank it.

01:19:26.060 --> 01:19:26.520
Oh, shit.

01:19:26.700 --> 01:19:28.560
Like, they stole my Freak vids, dumb man.

01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:30.360
Oh, that was not cool at all.

01:19:31.240 --> 01:19:31.500
No.

01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.660
Of course, you're a dumbass for letting it expire, but that's neither here nor there.

01:19:35.400 --> 01:19:36.160
Yep, exactly.

01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:38.440
All right, man.

01:19:38.500 --> 01:19:40.760
Well, thanks for being on the show, and we're going to move on.

01:19:40.820 --> 01:19:41.720
All right, thanks for having me on.

01:19:41.780 --> 01:19:42.060
Thank you.

01:19:42.120 --> 01:19:42.360
Later.

01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:46.440
Okay, Dr. Zygman, are we back on the show here?

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:47.920
I think we are.

01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:48.840
All righty.

01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:55.260
So, I'm not going to chime in on the Freak toolkit because I think that they covered it pretty well.

01:19:55.540 --> 01:20:09.960
And I had a wide variety of different people's ideas and opinions and preferences from the kind of talking about some of the higher-end expensive tools down to some software tools to VoIP to physical hardware tools.

01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:14.300
So, pretty good wide variety of ideas in that.

01:20:14.360 --> 01:20:15.400
So, I thought that was pretty cool.

01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:17.340
All right.

01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:19.940
Well, I think we've done enough damage for this episode.

01:20:20.340 --> 01:20:22.980
So, let's wrap it up, shall we?

01:20:22.980 --> 01:20:26.540
I think there's no time like the present.

01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:27.260
Yeah, right.

01:20:27.260 --> 01:20:29.000
Oh, mercy.

01:20:29.200 --> 01:20:44.700
Well, I guess for shouts, I'll take the easy way out and give shouts to everybody who helped contribute to tonight's show, to Live and Dead, to ZeroDB, to Natus, to Ponyboy, to our good friend, Dual Parallel, to Dr. Zygman, of course.

01:20:44.700 --> 01:20:45.620
Who else?

01:20:47.120 --> 01:20:48.560
Oh, I guess that's enough for tonight.

01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:50.240
How about you?

01:20:51.020 --> 01:20:54.300
Let me just want to do a couple of shouts to some of my new co-workers.

01:20:54.680 --> 01:21:01.620
I don't want to say any names, but it's really good to work with a lot of these people, and I'm really learning a lot working with them.

01:21:01.780 --> 01:21:04.580
So, I appreciate everything you guys are helping me with.

01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:06.860
So, let's keep it up, right?

01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:07.260
Cool.

01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:08.960
They're not going to listen anyway.

01:21:09.820 --> 01:21:15.400
That's true, but then at least if they ever said, well, you don't like us, I can be like, hey, if you listen back to episode 150.

01:21:16.460 --> 01:21:16.780
Yeah.

01:21:17.260 --> 01:21:23.200
So, you've said it, and you've post-dated it, so that if it ever comes up, you can say it.

01:21:23.860 --> 01:21:24.540
Hey, you know what?

01:21:24.580 --> 01:21:29.660
As long as Maynus is jumping and telling them that I actually got this job at a BINREV561 meeting.

01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:31.500
Oh, yeah, that is actually a really good story.

01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:34.900
So, okay, so we've got a quick extra minute.

01:21:35.140 --> 01:21:35.500
Go for it.

01:21:36.100 --> 01:21:36.740
So, here we are.

01:21:36.740 --> 01:21:37.740
You know, we're doing our BINREV561.

01:21:37.740 --> 01:21:39.220
BINREV561, we received an email.

01:21:39.340 --> 01:21:41.300
Actually, I believe you got the email first, right, Stank?

01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:47.700
I got an email from a gentleman who was looking to come to the BINREV561 meeting, which I am no longer able to make.

01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:55.520
So, he was nice enough to forward it along to me, and I got in touch with them, and it turned out they were hiring for, you know, support texts and stuff like that.

01:21:55.540 --> 01:21:57.180
But they wanted to, you know, stop by and say hello.

01:21:57.540 --> 01:22:05.680
So, I figured, hey, if nothing else, it would be nice to talk to a couple of people who are, like, in the real world and be like, well, let's at least hear about it, see what's going on.

01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:06.840
So, they came by.

01:22:07.780 --> 01:22:10.800
They first, you know, I gave them, like, a minute or two to do their spiel.

01:22:11.480 --> 01:22:19.800
And when they finished doing their spiel, I had us all go around, and we talked about some of our specialties, what we enjoy, be it Wi-Fi or encryption or programming, et cetera, et cetera.

01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:23.300
And they basically said, so, does anybody want to work?

01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:24.300
Does anybody want a job?

01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:27.420
And I was like, hey, I can use a new job after the fiasco I just went through.

01:22:28.120 --> 01:22:29.740
So, it was cool.

01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:33.860
They came down, and that's what, see what your BINREV meeting can do for you.

01:22:33.900 --> 01:22:34.920
We can get you employed.

01:22:35.180 --> 01:22:36.640
We're getting people jobs.

01:22:38.140 --> 01:22:38.540
Jobs?

01:22:39.100 --> 01:22:40.880
We're getting people jobs, damn it.

01:22:41.100 --> 01:22:42.160
You're hacking the payoff.

01:22:43.120 --> 01:22:44.540
Don't expect a finder's fee.

01:22:45.540 --> 01:22:47.360
Yeah, well, yeah, we get a cut, right?

01:22:48.240 --> 01:22:49.080
Yeah, right.

01:22:49.200 --> 01:22:49.960
That'll be the day.

01:22:50.180 --> 01:22:52.260
Donate to our server costs or something like that?

01:22:53.380 --> 01:22:54.520
I run a server.

01:22:54.840 --> 01:23:04.060
Actually, that was kind of, it was actually, it was kind of a fun story because, truthfully, we just invited them, you know, because everybody's welcome to come to the meetings just to hang out or nothing else.

01:23:04.100 --> 01:23:05.220
It wasn't anything about the jobs.

01:23:05.280 --> 01:23:07.980
That was all secondary, but it's just kind of funny that it worked out that way.

01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:09.200
Yeah, it is.

01:23:09.320 --> 01:23:10.660
It's very, you know, you never know.

01:23:10.660 --> 01:23:21.880
Well, you always got to be, you got to be open to whatever's going on, so anybody's out there, especially for the BINREV meetings, anybody who wants to go, you know, if you're a police officer, you're more than welcome to stop by.

01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:24.680
We would love to have an officer of the law there.

01:23:24.860 --> 01:23:26.540
Well, love is kind of a strong word.

01:23:27.140 --> 01:23:28.920
Well, I think it'd be interesting, you know.

01:23:28.940 --> 01:23:29.480
I'm just kidding.

01:23:29.480 --> 01:23:32.580
I mean, I don't want them to stay the entire time.

01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:37.800
We'd like for them to leave so we can make fun of them, but, you know, it'd still be cool to have them make a quick visit.

01:23:37.900 --> 01:23:45.800
Well, I mean, you may be able to get them to, you know, wipe off some tickets, wipe some tickets off the system or something for you, but, yeah, probably not.

01:23:47.040 --> 01:23:49.380
All right, let's see, the site of the week this week.

01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:51.240
There's a really good site.

01:23:51.240 --> 01:23:54.260
Let me see, I do have a tiny URL still.

01:23:54.540 --> 01:24:04.060
It's tinyurl.com slash D as in dog, B as in boy, R as in rocket, X as in x-ray, and B as in boy.

01:24:04.440 --> 01:24:10.260
And what it is is it's an IPN tester, which is the PayPal instant payment notification.

01:24:10.660 --> 01:24:18.000
But what's cool about it is it will actually take you to the web page and will show you, like, output, because I do some debug output usually.

01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:22.360
And when you do PayPal testing with the sandbox, it just kind of posts back to you.

01:24:22.420 --> 01:24:23.760
You don't get to see how it worked or not.

01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:29.800
But with this script, you can actually put in all the information you want to post to your IPN script, and you can follow it along.

01:24:29.900 --> 01:24:34.380
So if you want to echo stuff back out to the web page while you're debugging it, you can do it through this site.

01:24:34.700 --> 01:24:40.580
And this is a cool little, for anybody who has to do IPN stuff, you don't know how much you needed it until you see it.

01:24:42.080 --> 01:24:45.380
So email us, radio at binrev.com.

01:24:45.380 --> 01:24:53.520
Closing music this week is from our good friend Zerl, a new track called Burning Sun Will Rise.

01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:58.840
So Zerl bringing it down, holding it down for the hackers and the crackers.

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I think that is it.

01:25:01.280 --> 01:25:04.120
So Dr. Carrot Zigman.

01:25:05.780 --> 01:25:06.620
That was my pleasure.

01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:12.380
It's always an honor to be able to have a chance to do a binrev radio with Stank Dolls.

01:25:12.380 --> 01:25:20.900
But you and I are going to have to be the ones to tell everybody that we will see them next week, same hack time.

01:25:21.940 --> 01:25:23.360
Same hack channel.

01:25:23.820 --> 01:25:24.420
Later.

01:25:24.420 --> 01:25:28.020
My burning sun's the Sunday ride.

01:25:30.120 --> 01:25:33.980
Show them now we come off the ship.

01:25:35.260 --> 01:25:36.760
Capitalist life is twisted.

01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:38.300
No love tight-fisted.

01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:39.600
Consciousness lifted.

01:25:39.940 --> 01:25:40.940
Paradigm shifted.

01:25:41.220 --> 01:25:42.940
Don't be the same to be different.

01:25:43.180 --> 01:25:44.300
Every day's the same.

01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:45.800
All people feel in pain.

01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:47.440
This greed got me drained.

01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:49.020
This rage I can't contain.

01:25:49.340 --> 01:25:50.620
Happiness I can't feign.

01:25:50.820 --> 01:25:52.620
I've gone insane on this train.

01:25:52.620 --> 01:25:56.860
We ghost dance, not for rain, but to stop your rain.

01:25:57.120 --> 01:25:59.760
System in flames, strung out on greed.

01:26:00.080 --> 01:26:02.760
Maybe more suffering than death is what we need.

01:26:03.240 --> 01:26:05.500
Maybe worse is better, you see.

01:26:05.860 --> 01:26:08.540
Expose the truth to those too blind to see.

01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.440
Like butterfly I flutter on the tops of the redwood trees.

01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:13.380
Come with me.

01:26:13.820 --> 01:26:15.100
Population brain dead.

01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:17.420
Pharmaceuticals fucking with our heads.

01:26:17.700 --> 01:26:20.020
Sound of the underground calls to be down.

01:26:20.020 --> 01:26:22.680
Compelled to rebel, deep water and he drowned.

01:26:23.180 --> 01:26:24.200
Abolish our hope.

01:26:24.740 --> 01:26:26.120
Demolished by the rich vote.

01:26:26.480 --> 01:26:27.480
Bishops keep elect.

01:26:27.480 --> 01:26:28.840
Just another evil pope.

01:26:28.980 --> 01:26:31.780
My burning sun was Sunday ride.

01:26:34.080 --> 01:26:37.940
Show them now we come off the ship.

01:26:38.940 --> 01:26:42.220
My burning sun was Sunday ride.

01:26:42.220 --> 01:26:45.760
Rhythm and my words are like the birds and they may fly.

01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:48.600
Working for the system, don't deserve to live.

01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:49.680
It's time to die.

01:26:49.980 --> 01:26:52.440
How can a young motherfucker throw with no food?

01:26:52.700 --> 01:26:53.800
What's the reason why?

01:26:54.020 --> 01:26:55.680
Tied to America by birth.

01:26:55.860 --> 01:26:58.160
But I'm kin to you because of hunger and thirst.

01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:00.420
Fighting the fight that's been the same.

01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.260
Keeping the light, the flame that keeps us sane.

01:27:03.260 --> 01:27:05.080
My fucking brain trained.

01:27:05.400 --> 01:27:08.220
I'm gonna kill my boss soon so I never complain.

01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:10.300
We laid in wait so long.

01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:14.120
One bullet in my rifle and we gone like the Viet Cong.

01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:16.760
Receive the way you deceive and weave.

01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:19.020
Your lies, the people never believe.

01:27:19.280 --> 01:27:20.460
The scraps we plead.

01:27:20.700 --> 01:27:23.840
Covered up, dirty deeds, education and ignored needs.

01:27:24.240 --> 01:27:26.240
Living off the back of the blood of the dark.

01:27:26.440 --> 01:27:28.480
Like the fleas, no place to flee.

01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:31.240
The fog of war is all they see.

01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:33.880
Death on every channel on my TV.

01:27:34.200 --> 01:27:36.800
My burning sun will someday rise.

01:27:41.140 --> 01:27:44.560
My burning sun will someday rise.

01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:46.460
Situation critical.

01:27:46.940 --> 01:27:48.360
My comrades are cynical.

01:27:48.620 --> 01:27:50.700
Bourgeoisie, fattened, drinkin' they fill.

01:27:51.240 --> 01:27:53.560
Socialism hidden, but for our order.

01:27:53.900 --> 01:27:56.860
But for now until we rise from the flames.

01:27:56.860 --> 01:27:58.700
That burned up our heroes.

01:27:58.980 --> 01:28:01.400
All that remains is ideas and names.

01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:02.860
Of those committed to change.

01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:05.900
Poverty make a genius deranged.

01:28:06.040 --> 01:28:08.300
Trying to feed the kids on a pocket of change.

01:28:08.660 --> 01:28:10.020
Lead the kids in the prison.

01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:11.860
Breeding selfishness.

01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:13.440
Making every fucking decision.

01:28:13.860 --> 01:28:15.660
Language is no longer poetry.

01:28:16.040 --> 01:28:17.680
But a tool of duplicity.

01:28:18.080 --> 01:28:19.280
Stolen from our hands.

01:28:19.620 --> 01:28:20.820
Forgotten our ancestors.

01:28:21.320 --> 01:28:23.680
Form capitalist symbols and name brands.

01:28:24.200 --> 01:28:25.960
Swearin' we can taste this illusion.

01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:27.740
Drunk in our cocoon.

01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:28.680
Dispollution.

01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:31.520
Filling each breath with complicit delusion.

01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:37.280
My burning sun will someday rise.

01:28:39.280 --> 01:28:43.540
Show them now we've come off the shelf.

01:28:47.940 --> 01:28:51.560
My burning sun will someday rise.

01:28:53.440 --> 01:28:57.600
Show them now we've come off the shelf.

01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:58.220
í see you.

01:28:58.220 --> 01:28:59.260
I love you, Sam.

01:28:59.260 --> 01:28:59.540
I love you, Sam.

01:28:59.540 --> 01:29:00.380
He will constantly rise.

01:29:00.380 --> 01:29:01.820
I love you in our NASW,

01:29:01.820 --> 01:29:02.840
I love you, Sam.

01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:03.420
I love you today.

01:29:03.420 --> 01:29:03.720
I love you.

01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:04.720
decree I love you, Sam.

01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:05.780
I love you, Sam.

01:29:05.780 --> 01:29:06.200
I love you, Sam.

01:29:06.200 --> 01:29:06.240
I love you.

01:29:06.240 --> 01:29:06.660
I love you, Sam.

01:29:06.660 --> 01:29:07.480
I love you, Sam.

01:29:07.480 --> 01:29:07.620
I love you, Sam.

01:29:07.620 --> 01:29:07.720
I love you, Sam.

01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:09.540
I love you, Sam.

01:29:09.540 --> 01:29:11.920
I love you, Sam.

01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:12.740
I love you, Sam.

01:29:12.740 --> 01:29:13.660
I love you, Sam.

01:29:13.660 --> 01:29:13.940
And I love you.

01:29:13.940 --> 01:29:15.940
And I love you, Sam.

01:29:15.940 --> 01:29:18.620
And I love you, Sam.