WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.420 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.900 --> 00:15.300 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs 00:15.300 --> 00:20.480 of you in a fag bone, in your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the 00:20.480 --> 00:26.440 net in my six foe, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:26.440 --> 00:31.740 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and 00:31.740 --> 00:37.240 I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through 00:37.240 --> 00:42.660 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:42.660 --> 00:48.920 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:48.920 --> 00:53.440 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:53.440 --> 00:58.140 your bones, when I tell you we just hacked Al Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your 00:58.140 --> 01:03.560 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.920 --> 01:10.960 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAN, SIF, 01:11.140 --> 01:14.180 SIS, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:14.960 --> 01:23.400 Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number 152, coming to you on 01:23.400 --> 01:30.120 6-13-2006, see I always have a problem when I see a numeric date, 6-13, I have to actually 01:30.120 --> 01:33.980 count in my head, this is how messed up I am, I have to think January, February, March, 01:34.040 --> 01:42.980 April, May, June, June 13th, 2006, I am StankDog, back with you again this week, and we have 01:42.980 --> 01:45.660 a new first time co-host on the show this week. 01:46.220 --> 01:47.040 Hey guys. 01:47.040 --> 01:53.940 That people might know, yeah people will know the name from the forums of SEAL, but you 01:53.940 --> 01:57.480 also actually have, I know a lot of people don't realize this, but some of us have real 01:57.480 --> 01:57.940 names. 01:59.660 --> 02:03.580 Are we using a real name on the show, are we going to stick with just SEAL, or what did 02:03.580 --> 02:04.400 we decide on that? 02:05.120 --> 02:10.520 I think it was SEAL aka Julian, so whichever one we go by works by me. 02:10.520 --> 02:17.580 And of course, Julian aka SEAL of the new piracy documentary, On Piracy, actually what 02:17.580 --> 02:18.960 is the full official title? 02:19.920 --> 02:27.080 The title is On Piracy, On Piracy Radio and Walmarts, with a purposefully put, that's 02:27.080 --> 02:29.980 after Walmarts so I wouldn't be sued by Walmarts. 02:30.600 --> 02:34.160 Oh, interesting touch there, I don't know, hopefully that works. 02:34.800 --> 02:38.340 Probably not, you know, but just hopefully this stays under the radar. 02:38.340 --> 02:43.000 Right, right, and actually we're going to talk about that piracy documentary as today's 02:43.000 --> 02:47.700 main topic, but just for some of you who may have been away for a while and are coming 02:47.700 --> 02:52.140 back and just listening to 152, it's the first episode you've heard in a while, you might 02:52.140 --> 02:55.920 not realize that we have been doing a little bit of format change to the show. 02:56.380 --> 03:00.900 So the last few episodes we've been moving into a new format, like I said, where we're 03:00.900 --> 03:05.200 going straight into the main topic because we want to make sure that we get plenty of time 03:05.200 --> 03:08.300 to talk about the main topic, we don't want to get a cut off early, we want 03:08.300 --> 03:13.560 to make sure it gives it all the attention that it deserves, topic or topics, and today's 03:13.560 --> 03:17.900 main topic is, as I just said, the piracy documentary by our co-host Seal. 03:18.300 --> 03:25.460 So we're going to move right into that main topic, and as you just heard, there's the name 03:25.460 --> 03:31.520 of the documentary on piracy, which can be found at piracydocumentary.com, right? 03:32.400 --> 03:33.400 That's exactly right. 03:33.580 --> 03:35.780 Why .com? 03:35.780 --> 03:38.020 Why not .org or .net or whatever? 03:38.080 --> 03:39.900 Why did you choose .com, just out of curiosity? 03:40.740 --> 03:41.600 Oh, you know what? 03:41.740 --> 03:45.780 Just, you know, .com sounds all professional, and people think that, you know, if you're 03:45.780 --> 03:49.620 .net, then somehow your website is less professional somehow. 03:49.780 --> 03:52.480 It's all this psychological warfare thing I'm trying to do. 03:52.480 --> 03:57.180 Yeah, and you know, I find this question, see, we're already branching off onto another 03:57.180 --> 03:57.560 topic. 03:57.680 --> 03:58.660 I always have these tangents. 03:59.280 --> 04:02.100 One of the hardest things, I know it sounds silly, is choosing a good name. 04:02.160 --> 04:04.740 It's like, I'll sit there sometimes and think, what should we call this site? 04:04.800 --> 04:06.660 Should it be a .org or a .net? 04:07.940 --> 04:08.260 You know? 04:08.400 --> 04:08.680 Yeah, I know. 04:09.460 --> 04:10.340 How do you decide? 04:12.220 --> 04:13.020 Well, you know what? 04:13.100 --> 04:13.820 Here's an easy way. 04:13.900 --> 04:14.840 Go by the price. 04:15.080 --> 04:16.960 .coms are like $8 now. 04:17.500 --> 04:18.340 Can't go wrong. 04:18.340 --> 04:22.280 Ah, sorry, I was taking a little sip of iced tea there. 04:23.140 --> 04:28.040 And while I, you know, as long as I'm on the off-topic subject, I went to get my iced 04:28.040 --> 04:30.140 tea out of the refrigerator, and it's frozen. 04:30.260 --> 04:34.600 I guess my refrigerator's too cold, and it's a frozen block, so I have to kind of wait for 04:34.600 --> 04:36.340 it to melt while the show goes on. 04:37.040 --> 04:39.240 I guess I can set it on top of the monitor, it'll melt quicker. 04:40.160 --> 04:41.180 Of course, that's kind of dangerous. 04:41.180 --> 04:41.260 All that. 04:41.260 --> 04:48.420 If you hear a loud explosion, it's because my tea spilled into the monitor and blew it 04:48.420 --> 04:48.660 up. 04:50.180 --> 04:52.560 Anyway, all right, so let's stick to on-topic. 04:53.560 --> 04:58.240 First of all, this is not the first time that you've done some film work, is that correct? 04:59.100 --> 05:00.080 Yeah, that's right. 05:00.080 --> 05:04.960 I did, throughout high school, some videos, and then I did something which was called 05:04.960 --> 05:11.420 The Ento Show last year, which was a sort of computer basics educational film. 05:11.660 --> 05:14.100 You might, I think you said you saw a few clips of it? 05:14.460 --> 05:14.840 Oh, yeah. 05:14.940 --> 05:19.560 I remember you put it in the forum a while back, and I like, is this the one where you 05:19.560 --> 05:22.400 did it, where you had the split screen, where you were talking to yourself, and you're 05:22.400 --> 05:24.060 like, hi, Julian, hi, Julian, how are you? 05:24.120 --> 05:25.900 You're a handsome man, or whatever you were doing. 05:25.900 --> 05:31.720 Yeah, I was the laughing stock of my family for about three, four months after that. 05:31.780 --> 05:32.820 Yeah, but it was funny. 05:33.340 --> 05:34.080 It was funny. 05:34.160 --> 05:35.040 That was good stuff. 05:36.480 --> 05:36.880 Thanks. 05:37.160 --> 05:37.480 Yeah. 05:37.780 --> 05:42.420 So, like, are you into, so because of these two things together, I guess this is a natural 05:42.420 --> 05:47.440 question, is this a hobby, or are you actually studying film in school, or is this something 05:47.440 --> 05:48.720 that you're just doing for the fun of it? 05:49.800 --> 05:55.740 I'm actually a physical geography student here at the University of Ottawa, so I have 05:55.740 --> 06:01.460 no educational backdrop in film whatsoever, but it is becoming a hobby, and I foresee 06:01.460 --> 06:06.620 that as soon as I finish this movie here, because it's not done quite yet, that I'll 06:06.620 --> 06:09.360 do another movie on God knows what else. 06:10.100 --> 06:13.220 But, yeah, I think this is going to be a hobby for me from now on. 06:13.540 --> 06:17.320 So, when you say your next topic, do you have something in mind you're not telling us, 06:17.380 --> 06:18.500 or you haven't decided yet? 06:19.500 --> 06:21.880 I have, like, four movies on the back burner. 06:22.440 --> 06:25.020 I can never say this word right, back burner. 06:25.800 --> 06:31.100 But, yeah, you know, I really don't like thinking about a next project before one's done, or 06:31.100 --> 06:33.980 else I'll never get the one I'm working on done at all. 06:34.780 --> 06:39.180 But, sort of like hacking fiction movie, that would be fun. 06:39.260 --> 06:39.840 That'd be nice. 06:40.320 --> 06:41.480 I haven't seen one of those yet. 06:41.480 --> 06:45.820 Yeah, that would be, you know, we actually kind of talked about that, too, but, man, 06:45.880 --> 06:49.800 people don't realize how much work is involved in putting this stuff together, not just the 06:49.800 --> 06:51.940 filming, but especially a fiction. 06:52.100 --> 06:56.480 You've actually got to write a story, you've got to write dialogue, at least somewhat of 06:56.480 --> 06:59.480 a shell of dialogue or plot, you know what I mean? 07:00.200 --> 07:00.560 Yeah. 07:00.980 --> 07:05.200 Well, you do Hack TV and Hack TV Underground, so you know all about that, too. 07:05.220 --> 07:08.700 Oh, my gosh, you don't even, and I totally understand what you're saying about biting off 07:08.700 --> 07:12.640 too many projects at once, too, which is why we're trying to rein stuff in right now. 07:13.860 --> 07:15.580 But, that's neither here nor there. 07:15.760 --> 07:22.540 So, yeah, the video editing itself, I know, takes a long time, and there's a, and I think 07:22.540 --> 07:26.340 I've said this on the show before, there's a skill to it that I don't have. 07:27.060 --> 07:28.460 I'm not good at it. 07:28.460 --> 07:28.560 Oh, come on. 07:28.720 --> 07:31.240 No, I'm not, no, I mean, I'm just being honest, I'm not. 07:31.240 --> 07:35.320 That's why, you know, the first one was done by my friend Saito, who taught me what 07:35.320 --> 07:40.600 little bit I do know about it, and then Dr. Zygman, that's actually how he and I met, 07:40.640 --> 07:43.700 is that he knew a lot of the video editing, and he helped out on the other episodes of 07:43.700 --> 07:46.260 Hack TV, which is why they ended up so good. 07:46.900 --> 07:52.200 If I do them, I mean, I could get them done, but they really wouldn't be close to the quality 07:52.200 --> 07:54.580 that what we ended up putting out. 07:54.680 --> 07:57.100 I mean, he does a fantastic job mixing it together. 07:57.100 --> 08:01.440 We work together on the, you know, how it's going to flow and what we're going to include 08:01.440 --> 08:06.140 and not include the editing process, but he actually does the actually cutting, editing, 08:06.300 --> 08:09.280 producing of the thing, which is what I'm not, I'm not good at that. 08:09.380 --> 08:10.200 I'm not good at art. 08:10.620 --> 08:12.100 I swear to you, this is not a joke. 08:12.180 --> 08:13.440 I can't use Photoshop. 08:13.980 --> 08:14.860 I'm too dumb. 08:14.940 --> 08:16.120 I really can't. 08:16.560 --> 08:22.240 There's so many buttons and layers and all these different, it's too complex for my small 08:22.240 --> 08:23.260 American brain to handle. 08:23.800 --> 08:25.040 I really can't handle that. 08:25.040 --> 08:26.380 I think it was invented by Canadians. 08:26.880 --> 08:29.760 Oh, oh, he snuck in a Canadian joke. 08:29.860 --> 08:30.540 Look at that. 08:31.760 --> 08:32.500 Oh, no. 08:32.640 --> 08:34.060 No, I really am bad at graphics. 08:34.260 --> 08:37.560 I'm just, just a fact of life I have to deal with. 08:37.680 --> 08:39.780 I can't do design and graphic work. 08:40.560 --> 08:41.680 So, hey, what are you going to do? 08:42.460 --> 08:46.820 But, that's why I was curious if this was something that you were pursuing, because you 08:46.820 --> 08:48.020 do seem to have a skill at it. 08:48.040 --> 08:49.760 You were doing some clever video tricks. 08:50.280 --> 08:54.240 They were, you know, even the, I don't know if the proper word's cinematography. 08:54.240 --> 08:55.660 Talk about a hard word to say. 08:56.240 --> 08:59.860 The cinematography, some of the ways you were, you know, just silly things like where you set 08:59.860 --> 09:02.340 the cameras up in some of those interviews and shots like that. 09:02.820 --> 09:06.960 It really makes a difference whether the camera's across the room, whether it's at an angle. 09:07.700 --> 09:13.740 If you film somebody looking from above, looking down on them, versus looking up at them or 09:13.740 --> 09:17.220 from the side, it makes a different feel to the video. 09:17.320 --> 09:18.020 It really does. 09:18.020 --> 09:19.720 Yeah, you're right. 09:20.480 --> 09:26.240 And, yeah, I was going to say something and it totally escaped my mind, so I'll let you 09:26.240 --> 09:26.940 continue on there. 09:27.020 --> 09:30.960 Well, no, it's, I mean, it's just, there's a lot of little things like that that you can 09:30.960 --> 09:35.880 just set the camera up and film stuff, but it's an extra, you can see those extra touches 09:35.880 --> 09:41.980 and the decisions that you made in this particular documentary that actually make it good. 09:41.980 --> 09:47.240 And there's other, there's other shows and movies out there that aren't good and we won't 09:47.240 --> 09:50.140 go there, but I think you did a really good job on this one. 09:50.160 --> 09:51.840 So I'm actually looking forward to what you do next. 09:52.220 --> 09:52.920 But you know what? 09:52.940 --> 09:57.980 I'm going to kind of jump to another question here because when we say, you're saying jump 09:57.980 --> 10:02.480 to the next one and this one not being finished, did I see that this is technically the one 10:02.480 --> 10:05.360 that you do have on the website is version 0.8? 10:05.460 --> 10:06.960 I mean, is this not complete? 10:07.920 --> 10:09.000 That's exactly right. 10:09.000 --> 10:13.940 Um, the movie that I have right there is, uh, still under scrutiny and editing. 10:14.480 --> 10:21.160 Um, there's a last interview that I'm doing with a company that rhymes with, uh, oh, Microsoft. 10:21.980 --> 10:22.300 Oh. 10:22.300 --> 10:28.000 And, uh, yeah, so I'm trying to get them on there and to get the sort of pro DRM standpoint. 10:28.200 --> 10:32.500 So there's that interview I need to get in there and I also need to, uh, do lots of editing 10:32.500 --> 10:33.260 and cutting it down. 10:33.440 --> 10:37.940 Uh, there's a scene in there, I don't know if you remember, but that part where, uh, uh, 10:37.940 --> 10:41.220 the magnitude guy, uh, John Buckman is talking. 10:41.580 --> 10:41.900 Right. 10:42.060 --> 10:47.360 And what you see there is photos of him, photos after photos, because I really had no other 10:47.360 --> 10:47.760 footage. 10:47.940 --> 10:52.540 Well, one of my friends commented that that looks like I was doing like a sort of a homosexual 10:52.540 --> 10:54.880 homage to John Buckman. 10:55.160 --> 10:55.600 Okay. 10:55.600 --> 11:01.640 So, which was a very valid argument, but it does, you know, mean to say that there is 11:01.640 --> 11:03.940 some parts I really do have to work on. 11:04.940 --> 11:05.320 All right. 11:05.320 --> 11:09.720 So, so the one that's out there right now is not necessarily the final version. 11:10.100 --> 11:14.440 Um, obviously you'll keep us updated and we'll mention it on the show and I'm sure you'll 11:14.440 --> 11:16.440 let us know in the forums when you do get a final one out. 11:17.160 --> 11:17.960 Yeah, exactly. 11:18.080 --> 11:22.080 I mean, uh, maybe in a month from now, I just wanted to get something out. 11:22.080 --> 11:29.020 I, I was really strapped for cash and so I released 0.5 on Digg and that got me the donations 11:29.020 --> 11:32.320 I needed to sort of buy the music I needed to get on there. 11:33.100 --> 11:35.280 Well, actually that leads to another good question. 11:35.440 --> 11:38.940 You say that you needed money to get the music on there. 11:39.000 --> 11:42.800 I mean, did you actually have to buy rights or did you use, ironically, I mean, you mentioned 11:42.800 --> 11:43.460 Creative Commons. 11:43.600 --> 11:47.200 I was wondering about what, what, will you just tell me what, how did you handle music in 11:47.200 --> 11:48.520 the, in the, in the documentary? 11:48.520 --> 11:54.320 Well, here's the way I, I looked online at Creative Commons and, uh, one of the best 11:54.320 --> 11:58.600 resources for Creative Commons where you have direct access to the musicians, which is what 11:58.600 --> 12:00.020 I needed, is Magnatune. 12:00.860 --> 12:06.120 And initially I thought, okay, you know, it costs more if you want to use it for a movie. 12:06.700 --> 12:10.220 And initially it was like a hundred bucks and I'm like, okay, that's a shitload of money. 12:10.420 --> 12:14.660 I'm sort of, you know, my bank is going to send collectors after me in two months if I 12:14.660 --> 12:15.520 don't pay them back. 12:15.980 --> 12:18.660 So that was, you know, sort of expensive and whatever. 12:19.320 --> 12:23.380 And then I check up when towards the end of the production and they arise, the price is 12:23.380 --> 12:24.520 to about 500 bucks. 12:25.460 --> 12:25.860 Woo. 12:26.060 --> 12:27.020 So, yeah. 12:27.700 --> 12:28.020 Nice. 12:28.020 --> 12:30.080 So Creative Commons is not free. 12:31.020 --> 12:36.240 Um, because like as soon as you submit your movie to a festival, it is, that is considered, 12:36.460 --> 12:37.560 uh, commercial use. 12:38.380 --> 12:39.780 So there's all these things. 12:39.860 --> 12:44.480 So what I did is I went to royaltyfreemusic.com, which did remain at, you know, at the $100 12:44.480 --> 12:46.700 price level and bought a few of their CDs. 12:47.720 --> 12:50.980 And, you know, that was thanks to donations from very generous people. 12:51.580 --> 12:51.820 Hmm. 12:51.980 --> 12:52.320 All right. 12:52.340 --> 12:53.020 That's very interesting. 12:53.120 --> 12:54.080 I had no idea. 12:54.560 --> 12:58.000 It's, now this is because you submitted it to a film festival, you said, or? 12:58.560 --> 13:03.640 Well, because I wanted to keep my options open and I did not want to have to change the 13:03.640 --> 13:09.340 whole soundtrack on the pure virtue of me submitting to a film, you know, film festival. 13:09.540 --> 13:12.180 I didn't want to, that be a deterrent. 13:12.640 --> 13:14.380 So I just decided to go with that. 13:14.460 --> 13:18.240 And I also had public domain music, but, uh, that turned out interesting. 13:18.240 --> 13:22.160 Some of it wasn't actually under the public domain as I thought it was. 13:22.560 --> 13:24.340 And, uh, that led to interesting situations. 13:24.640 --> 13:27.840 Well, can I, are you, can you go into any detail about that or is that an off? 13:27.840 --> 13:28.440 Sure, no. 13:28.680 --> 13:28.780 I can't. 13:28.780 --> 13:33.280 Because I, I did notice that, that you mentioned that the closing song during the closing credits, 13:33.280 --> 13:33.780 is that right? 13:34.580 --> 13:35.180 Yeah, that's right. 13:35.300 --> 13:38.720 And, uh, the song was, uh, Ain't Misbehavin' by Louis Armstrong. 13:39.180 --> 13:42.000 And it was, uh, that recording came from 1929. 13:42.780 --> 13:46.040 And the guy who did it is dead and has been dead for 50 years. 13:46.120 --> 13:49.320 So the song itself is under, uh, is under public domain. 13:49.820 --> 13:56.940 But, um, the recording that was done because Louis Armstrong himself died 30 years ago is 13:56.940 --> 13:59.220 still not in the public domain yet. 13:59.220 --> 14:00.360 So there's 20 years to go. 14:00.360 --> 14:05.160 So I got a call one day when I was at work from, uh, the head of one of the agencies in 14:05.160 --> 14:10.220 Canada that's responsible for, uh, collecting, copy, or collecting fees off this. 14:10.760 --> 14:16.060 And he's basically like, yeah, I don't want to be the bad guy here, but, uh, your last song, 14:16.320 --> 14:17.480 yeah, it violates copyright. 14:18.780 --> 14:24.540 So after about, you know, walking in circles for, you know, 30 minutes and being super scared, 14:24.540 --> 14:30.080 you know, all those legal troubles that scare the living shit out of you, there's your R-rated 14:30.080 --> 14:31.040 warranted right there. 14:32.000 --> 14:35.860 And, um, yeah, so I, you know, got, took it all down and changed the music. 14:35.860 --> 14:40.260 And, and I'm sure that was a, that, that kind of phone call would freak me out a little 14:40.260 --> 14:40.520 bit. 14:40.520 --> 14:48.840 So, and ironically, yeah, ironically, the, um, the topic of the, the documentary, you know, 14:48.900 --> 14:52.200 mentioning the music and all that kind of stuff, it's like, yeah. 14:52.300 --> 14:57.400 So did he, did he stumble across it by accident or, I mean, how did he actually find out that 14:57.400 --> 15:01.880 one of his clients or, or whoever that he represented, how did they find out that you 15:01.880 --> 15:02.500 used their music? 15:02.500 --> 15:03.760 Like, how did they get back to him? 15:03.820 --> 15:04.180 Do you know? 15:04.860 --> 15:05.180 Yeah. 15:05.300 --> 15:08.840 Well, um, what I suspect happened because he had my phone number as well. 15:08.920 --> 15:11.300 My phone number is not exactly published all that well. 15:11.760 --> 15:16.700 Um, what I suspect is that I had given copies to all the people that were involved, all the 15:16.700 --> 15:17.480 interviewees. 15:17.900 --> 15:22.480 And one of the people I interviewed was a child organization, which works under this guy 15:22.480 --> 15:22.840 here. 15:23.220 --> 15:30.420 And I suspect that the president of that organization noticed that and, uh, gave the heads up and 15:30.420 --> 15:32.240 my contact information to this guy. 15:32.500 --> 15:34.460 Oh, man. 15:34.900 --> 15:38.140 This is one of these cases, this is a case where I'm biting my tongue right now. 15:38.200 --> 15:39.100 I want you to know this. 15:40.560 --> 15:42.280 Let me, let me say, let me say it. 15:42.880 --> 15:49.120 It's better to have that resolved now than find out later when, you know, there is commercial, 15:49.320 --> 15:54.000 possible commercial interest involved and better now than later. 15:54.000 --> 15:59.640 Yeah, but I'm just, well, I'm going to word this in a, I'm going to do a little social 15:59.640 --> 16:02.460 engineering trick and word this in such a way that it's not negative. 16:02.580 --> 16:09.800 I'm going to just say that it would have been cool if they would have said, hey, we know 16:09.800 --> 16:10.320 who you are. 16:10.320 --> 16:11.600 We know your documentary. 16:12.040 --> 16:14.600 We're giving you permission to use the song. 16:14.660 --> 16:16.660 That would have been cool if that would have happened. 16:16.800 --> 16:17.600 That's all I'm saying. 16:18.280 --> 16:18.980 Oh, absolutely. 16:19.740 --> 16:20.840 Instead of the threat. 16:21.220 --> 16:26.960 How ironic is it to send the copyright threat after you just interviewed somebody about copyright? 16:26.960 --> 16:27.540 Right, I mean. 16:28.460 --> 16:29.060 Yeah, I know. 16:29.220 --> 16:30.340 Yeah, help a brother out. 16:31.060 --> 16:31.400 Jeez. 16:32.400 --> 16:32.740 All right. 16:32.820 --> 16:35.660 Anyway, I won't go there because I don't want you to get any more phone calls from them. 16:37.060 --> 16:39.660 So, we will move on. 16:39.660 --> 16:46.340 Now, actually, we kind of went in this direction earlier about what your next films or, you know, 16:46.400 --> 16:46.940 what you decide. 16:47.000 --> 16:48.660 How did you actually decide to do this film? 16:49.420 --> 16:52.720 I mean, what about this topic made you decide to do it? 16:53.260 --> 16:55.320 I always wanted to do two films. 16:55.320 --> 16:59.920 One of them was I always wanted to do this film from the get-go last year. 17:00.860 --> 17:05.440 And so, even when I was doing ENTO, I knew that, you know, I was going to do this one 17:05.440 --> 17:05.780 after. 17:05.960 --> 17:09.740 So, I began this one, actually, in May of last year. 17:09.860 --> 17:12.180 And it's taken a year to complete. 17:13.080 --> 17:20.980 And the whole interview thing is actually because of Strom Carlson, who sort of really helped me 17:20.980 --> 17:23.080 sort of point me in the right direction for that. 17:23.080 --> 17:25.540 And little does he know, but he did. 17:25.840 --> 17:26.180 How so? 17:27.380 --> 17:31.080 Well, basically, I had worked for two months doing research on this. 17:31.320 --> 17:33.760 Or actually, four months, but two months writing the script. 17:34.400 --> 17:41.180 And the script was somewhat, I think how Strom put it was that it felt like he was bludgeoned 17:41.180 --> 17:46.880 on the head repeatedly, which was a very accurate depiction of the script. 17:46.880 --> 17:48.660 Because, trust me, it was pretty bad. 17:49.340 --> 17:53.840 And from that point on, I decided to do it, you know, 100% interview-based. 17:54.060 --> 17:55.000 It's worked out for the best. 17:55.120 --> 17:58.040 And I'm really grateful for Strom for having said that. 17:58.540 --> 18:02.260 Well, when you say script, now let's kind of clarify, because that's a little confusing. 18:02.400 --> 18:03.420 It's a documentary. 18:03.660 --> 18:04.820 Why is there a script? 18:04.960 --> 18:06.240 Or what is scripted? 18:06.240 --> 18:13.740 Because originally, the movie was going to be sort of an hour-long rant, as opposed to 18:13.740 --> 18:15.520 a fair and balanced documentary. 18:16.560 --> 18:17.160 That's why. 18:17.800 --> 18:18.540 All right. 18:18.660 --> 18:19.000 Gotcha. 18:19.160 --> 18:19.400 Gotcha. 18:19.860 --> 18:20.900 But there's still a script. 18:21.080 --> 18:25.320 I mean, you know, you have to have a basic idea of how to put these interviews together. 18:25.580 --> 18:29.380 And you have to have, you know, once you've collected, you know, all the footage, you have 18:29.380 --> 18:33.520 to have a rough idea of how to, you know, put it again together afterwards as well. 18:33.520 --> 18:35.860 So, there is still a script for this movie. 18:36.080 --> 18:37.020 Well, and you know what? 18:37.120 --> 18:42.100 I mean, it's very similar to the show novels that I'm so famous for, which you have. 18:42.960 --> 18:46.560 You know, you've actually, it's not necessarily a script, but yeah, you put together a list 18:46.560 --> 18:50.700 of topics or specific questions or something like that that you want to touch on or stuff 18:50.700 --> 18:51.480 you don't want to forget. 18:52.040 --> 18:53.660 So, it's not like it's scripted. 18:53.740 --> 18:57.040 So, let's not give anybody the impression that your documentary is scripted, but I'm sure 18:57.040 --> 19:00.700 you had a list of, a bullet point of, I want to ask this question. 19:00.780 --> 19:02.400 I want his opinion on that question. 19:02.400 --> 19:05.840 Or, how do you respond to this common allegation? 19:05.900 --> 19:09.840 Because that's another good thing is what you did is you did these, I'll refer to them 19:09.840 --> 19:11.760 as street interviews, for lack of a better word. 19:12.240 --> 19:15.860 And then you'll cut over and like the street interview with somebody will say, oh yeah, 19:15.980 --> 19:20.360 well, CDs cost too much and they only have one good song on and it's not worth it. 19:20.600 --> 19:26.140 And then we'll go over to the record exec trying to justify that question. 19:26.140 --> 19:34.040 But to be honest, like that, that was, thank God for Graham Henderson, who's the president 19:34.040 --> 19:38.660 of the CREA because he actually went out of, he's the one who sort of suggested some of 19:38.660 --> 19:41.180 these answers or these questions. 19:41.740 --> 19:45.260 And had he not done that, because I didn't even think about those street people interviews 19:45.260 --> 19:48.460 back then, had he not done that, I would have had nothing on him. 19:48.860 --> 19:51.580 So, you know, and he was a really cool guy, by the way. 19:51.720 --> 19:53.160 He's a, he's a really nice guy. 19:53.240 --> 19:57.300 I know everyone's going to grunt when they say this, when they hear me say this, but he's 19:57.300 --> 19:58.100 a really cool guy. 19:58.100 --> 20:01.340 Interesting, very interesting. 20:01.920 --> 20:08.000 I guess that's cool to hear, but I guess, well, people need to watch the documentary 20:08.000 --> 20:15.900 and then remember that you just said that, because that takes some, yeah, we'll leave 20:15.900 --> 20:16.320 it at that. 20:17.700 --> 20:22.840 So, what about now, another one of our good friends of the show, Jason Scott, also did 20:22.840 --> 20:27.740 a documentary not too long ago, about a year within the past year, his BBS documentary, 20:27.740 --> 20:32.020 which was also fantastic, and we, you know, supported and pimped it out. 20:32.420 --> 20:35.940 Did that have any effect, or had you already begun the process, or did that motivate you 20:35.940 --> 20:40.080 or have any effect to make you say, wow, he did one on BBS, I've always wanted to do 20:40.080 --> 20:40.940 one on piracy. 20:41.040 --> 20:43.620 Did it go like that, or did you already have the idea, or? 20:45.700 --> 20:47.460 Sort of, both of the above. 20:48.060 --> 20:53.060 Jason Scott did, you know, his BBS documentary is absolutely incredible, and I've watched it, 20:53.060 --> 20:54.640 you know, three times since I've bought it. 20:54.640 --> 20:59.800 And it certainly had an impact, I sort of mirrored my website on, you know, the format 20:59.800 --> 21:08.620 he did his, and I, the whole Creative Commons thing is pretty much an influence of his, the 21:08.620 --> 21:13.060 way he used interviews like that is an influence of his, so yeah, he's had a big impact, but 21:13.060 --> 21:16.660 had he not been there, I think I would have still done this movie nonetheless, and released 21:16.660 --> 21:17.800 it for free nonetheless. 21:17.800 --> 21:23.760 Yeah, and you know, again, the Creative Commons, we've used that from day one for everything 21:23.760 --> 21:28.160 that we do in DDP, the whole, all of Binary Revolution Radio, this episode, all the way 21:28.160 --> 21:33.040 back to episode one, Hack TV, everything else that we put out in digital format, our articles, 21:33.360 --> 21:36.520 whatever, is all released under Creative Commons. 21:36.700 --> 21:40.440 Now, actually, this, I'm glad, this is a good thing, I don't think we've gone into Creative 21:40.440 --> 21:45.600 Commons, we went into it a little bit on past shows, but people hear Creative Commons, and 21:45.600 --> 21:49.760 sometimes they hear, and this is not valid, but there's a lot of people simply hear, 21:50.200 --> 21:53.920 Creative Commons, oh, so it's free and public domain. 21:54.640 --> 21:57.180 That's not exactly what Creative Commons is. 21:57.320 --> 22:00.640 I could explain it a little bit, but why don't you go into it a little bit more? 22:01.380 --> 22:09.540 Sure, well, what Creative Commons is, is basically writing out the contract of the copyright license 22:09.540 --> 22:14.000 out so that people can understand it, and know what their rights are with copyrights. 22:14.000 --> 22:21.680 So, for example, if you release media, by default, it's under copyright, and by default, copyright 22:21.680 --> 22:25.400 means all rights reserved, which means that if someone else wants to make use of that work, 22:25.720 --> 22:31.180 let's say they want to make a remix of a CD, and they've got that CD, by default, they're 22:31.180 --> 22:34.100 not allowed to use that content and publish it publicly. 22:34.100 --> 22:40.280 Absolutely. What Creative Commons does is that it identifies what the person can do or say. 22:40.440 --> 22:46.700 So, it's not public domain. It can be, because you can say, you know, oh, I want my stuff released 22:46.700 --> 22:52.320 entirely for free, but what it really is, is just saying what exactly you can do with the 22:52.320 --> 22:56.700 product. So, it can be really restrictive as well. It doesn't have to be completely open, 22:56.700 --> 23:01.520 but it's just making it clear to people for people to understand, and I find that's fantastic. 23:01.780 --> 23:07.140 Yes, I agree completely, and I do know that people have that misconception, so that was a great 23:07.140 --> 23:11.920 explanation. Now, our particular one, again, that we use for the show and Hack TV and such, 23:12.340 --> 23:18.060 is one that says you can do whatever you want with this as long as you don't, A, sell it and make 23:18.060 --> 23:23.760 money off of it, because we don't, you know, so we don't want anybody else doing it, and secondly, 23:23.760 --> 23:29.560 that they simply don't strip the names and credits off, but they're freely, can distribute it, they 23:29.560 --> 23:33.160 can put it on their own website, they can burn it to CD and hand it out, all that kind of good 23:33.160 --> 23:39.980 stuff. So, basically, defines, instead of saying, I reserve all rights, I get the decision of every 23:39.980 --> 23:45.100 single thing that somebody wants to do, I have the control, and it breaks it down and says, I'm going 23:45.100 --> 23:50.020 to go ahead and tell you up front that I'm giving you these controls back. That's what our Creative 23:50.020 --> 23:53.660 Commons says. You can do this with our stuff. We only reserve a little bit of 23:53.660 --> 23:57.140 control that says, don't sell it and make money off it. That's really the biggest part 23:57.140 --> 24:02.380 of it for us. But there are others that will further break it down that says that, no, 24:02.480 --> 24:07.740 you cannot, or I'm sorry, that you can, in fact, sell it and make money. There are some 24:07.740 --> 24:11.760 that say that you can alter and transfer and build upon this work, which is, I think, more 24:11.760 --> 24:15.800 along the lines of what Jason Scott did. I don't want to talk for him or put his Creative 24:15.800 --> 24:19.780 Commons out there, but I'm pretty sure what he's done is he put up all the individual 24:19.780 --> 24:26.260 interviews as well. And again, I'll correct myself next week, Jason Scott, if you email 24:26.260 --> 24:30.680 me if I say something wrong here, but I think by putting up all those individual things, 24:30.780 --> 24:35.040 sure, he made a documentary with all of them, putting them together in his format, but let's 24:35.040 --> 24:39.760 say, well, let's use yours for an example. You could have, if you wanted to, if there was 24:39.760 --> 24:44.480 an interview from his that was useful, you could have used that and put it into your documentary. 24:44.480 --> 24:50.680 Actually, I might have to check up on that. The reason I say that, and I don't mean to 24:50.680 --> 24:56.940 like go counter to what you just said, but Creative Commons, if he chose a share alike 24:56.940 --> 25:06.460 license, because my license is actually quite restrictive, I'm not allowing people to take 25:06.460 --> 25:11.020 footage of mine and edit it for a pure reason that I'm afraid of being sued by as someone who's 25:11.020 --> 25:17.280 pissed off of seeing his interview footage and big smiley face on it. Right. And so if 25:17.280 --> 25:22.560 it's share alike, then I'd have to have the same license as him. Right. Oh, okay. No, 25:22.600 --> 25:26.880 I understand. So it is true that he may make it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can 25:26.880 --> 25:32.620 use, you can't change it from what he had to do. If you use his, you have to maintain his 25:32.620 --> 25:37.780 license. But nonetheless, I mean, like, yeah, what he did on archive.org by releasing those 25:37.780 --> 25:42.580 interviews is fantastic. Right. That's just, that's insane. Right. No, I understand completely. 25:42.720 --> 25:48.660 I mean, our reason for saying not to alter is simply because we know damn good and well 25:48.660 --> 25:52.640 people will strip off the names and put their name on it and put it out there somewhere. 25:52.940 --> 25:58.840 So there's lots of reasons to make your decision of which Creative Commons license you use, and 25:58.840 --> 26:02.720 they're all perfectly valid. But that's the great thing about it is that you do have that 26:02.720 --> 26:07.100 control. And it's all free, and there's great people out there to help you out of shit. 26:07.100 --> 26:11.320 If you need help on forums and so forth. Yeah. And I think that was one of the, at least 26:11.320 --> 26:14.780 in my opinion, that was one of my favorite interviews from the documentary was with the 26:14.780 --> 26:18.900 Creative Commons guy. I hate to say, I should be more professional. If this was a real radio 26:18.900 --> 26:22.000 show, I'd actually say his name, but I'm sure you'll tell us. 26:22.680 --> 26:27.600 Yeah. Marcus Bornford. There you go. So see, that's where, that's for having a good co-host 26:27.600 --> 26:31.600 on here because he knows what he's talking about. And I just limped my way through the show. 26:31.860 --> 26:35.520 So, but that was one of my favorite interviews on there. Seriously, that was one of the best 26:35.520 --> 26:38.040 ones, I thought. And it was, he gave a good, clear explanation. 26:39.080 --> 26:44.340 Yeah. He's a fantastic guy. I had, there was a huge conference in Ottawa on the subject of 26:44.340 --> 26:49.100 internet piracy last year. And that's where I got his contact info and I had a discussion 26:49.100 --> 26:54.840 with him. And he's, yeah, he's a very bright individual. He knows what he's saying. But 26:54.840 --> 26:59.400 it sometimes can be a little long saying it, so there's actually lots of heavy editing for 26:59.400 --> 27:05.620 his interview. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's, goes back to the time, editing time necessary. 27:06.060 --> 27:10.980 So, um, now did I, I don't want to throw this out there. I guess we can edit this out if 27:10.980 --> 27:15.200 need be, but did I hear you mention something about presenting somewhere with Jason Scott? 27:16.020 --> 27:21.420 That's right. I'll get, uh, the Hackers on Planet Earth conference in July, this coming 27:21.420 --> 27:27.800 July. And we're doing a talk on, uh, oh, I forgot what the title of the talk is now. We 27:27.800 --> 27:32.580 had set a decent one out, but it's on how to make documentaries pretty much. And how to 27:32.580 --> 27:37.540 get, you know, these contacts, these big people or people you think that are big and getting 27:37.540 --> 27:42.680 them to be filmed. And there's lots of social engineering involved in some cases. There's 27:42.680 --> 27:46.240 lots of honesty in other cases, but that's basically what we'd be talking about. 27:46.700 --> 27:50.440 Well, not to steal any thunder from that, but I was kind of wondering, how did you get 27:50.440 --> 27:54.460 these people to participate? You know, I mean, they're taking time out of their schedule 27:54.460 --> 27:59.900 for some, no insult, but some schmuck kid that they don't know. It's like, why should 27:59.900 --> 28:01.920 they get, you know, how did you, how did you get their time? 28:03.100 --> 28:08.940 Social engineering all the way. Um, here's the deal, right? I am in Ottawa, 500 kilometers 28:08.940 --> 28:13.540 away from 90% of these people. So they don't know what I look like yet. If they saw what I 28:13.540 --> 28:17.640 looked like, you know, punk-ass 20-year-old, I bet you I wouldn't have, you know, they wouldn't 28:17.640 --> 28:23.060 have even considered it. But yeah, I've got the advantage of the phone. And so I can make 28:23.060 --> 28:27.340 myself sound bigger than I am. And with emails, you can, if you word them correctly, and if 28:27.340 --> 28:32.780 you're, um, if you write intelligently, you know, you don't use any tech speak or you don't 28:32.780 --> 28:40.360 use UR and with a U and an R instead of your, um, you can give a very good impression. You know, 28:40.460 --> 28:46.280 it, it becomes interesting once they finally do see you. And then they're like, where's the rest 28:46.280 --> 28:55.300 of your crew? Or they give you, you know, the, uh, oh, it's, um, you. So it, yeah, but you know, 28:55.300 --> 29:02.140 I got all the interviews nonetheless. And, uh, some people, uh, wanted to stay in chat and, um, 29:03.440 --> 29:07.920 it, it was a good experience. It was a really, really good experience. And these people, Karen, 29:08.020 --> 29:12.000 they all treated me with respect when I, once I got there, it was fantastic. 29:12.460 --> 29:18.000 Well, did you, were there any people that did not or refused interviews or gave you any trouble or, 29:18.100 --> 29:20.860 or revoked their interviews or anything like that happen? 29:20.860 --> 29:27.640 Oh yeah. Tons. Um, there's about 24 interviews and I've had about, I've tried contacting maybe 70 29:27.640 --> 29:34.380 people. Wow. Um, yeah, it's, uh, Apple turned it down, but, uh, they were nice about it. I think 29:34.380 --> 29:41.360 the least, the people that were sort of the least pleasant to deal with were, uh, the CN Tower and 29:41.360 --> 29:47.140 I'll make sure not to, uh, to word this properly. So you're not sued for LaBelle, but, uh, basically what 29:47.140 --> 29:52.780 happened was I was in Toronto and I wanted some stock photography to sort of spice the, uh, footage 29:52.780 --> 30:00.080 in the documentary. So I decided to get the skyline of, uh, Toronto. And so I went up into the CN Tower 30:00.080 --> 30:05.280 and because I'm in a private residence, I have to get forms and I filled all those out and I dealt 30:05.280 --> 30:12.360 with the VP of communications there. And, uh, so I got the footage and that was that. About a week 30:12.360 --> 30:18.980 later, I got a really nasty email from them, uh, basically saying, you know, oh, we helped you so 30:18.980 --> 30:26.200 graciously and full of, um, anyways, not a very nice email, but basically turning down, sorry, refusing 30:26.200 --> 30:33.200 me or denying me the ability to use the footage I had shot a week before, which I found was really 30:33.200 --> 30:41.280 not cool. Yeah, that kind of sucks. Yeah, it does. It's bureaucracy. And, you know, I suppose it's not 30:41.280 --> 30:47.020 their fault ultimately, but it was, you know, that was a downer. Well, luckily, I guess if we 30:47.020 --> 30:51.420 want to look on the bright side, luckily they told you early enough, early on enough. It's not like 30:51.420 --> 30:55.640 they, if they were telling you now that would really suck because you've already done so much 30:55.640 --> 31:01.460 editing and stuff. Yeah. So I guess if you want to look. A lot of people were fantastic too. I mean, 31:01.460 --> 31:07.040 I contacted all the major labels and, uh, so they're the ones that ultimately got me the interview with 31:07.040 --> 31:13.400 Korea and, uh, I contacted likewise movie studios and they're the ones that got me the, uh, MPAAs 31:13.400 --> 31:20.240 arm in Canada. And I even contacted the RAAA and, uh, you know, got in contact with the people there. 31:20.240 --> 31:26.640 So, uh, although some, you know, there was one or two not so nice experience overall, you know, 31:26.640 --> 31:31.880 all these people were incredibly, uh, nice to deal with. And especially so where was people like 31:31.880 --> 31:37.120 Marcus Bornford and Michael Geist. They were really just fantastic, uh, interviewees and 31:37.120 --> 31:45.420 people to organize interviews with. Well, and my favorite on there, I have to say, and maybe it's 31:45.420 --> 31:51.200 just because I've always liked Sim, was Samarian from Rant Radio. There's a very good section with 31:51.200 --> 31:56.600 him. He's, first of all, he's always been the nicest guy and what limited interaction I've had 31:56.600 --> 32:00.580 with him on Rant Radio. Because for those who don't remember, I mean, first of all, a lot of 32:00.580 --> 32:04.740 people are listening to us on Rant Radio right now. But a lot of people don't remember, we've 32:04.740 --> 32:09.940 been on Rant Radio from day one of BinRev Radio. And even back into the old RFA, Radio Freak 32:09.940 --> 32:14.640 America was on there as well. So we've been, we've known Sim for a long, long time. And 32:14.640 --> 32:20.680 he's a really great guy. He's a really smart guy. And he's one of those people that, you 32:20.680 --> 32:26.020 know, somebody you can tell when somebody is, I guess, passionate for lack of a better word 32:26.020 --> 32:31.340 about something. They believe, they really believe in what they're saying. And he is 32:31.340 --> 32:37.220 that guy. And your interview with that, he, he has, you know, he, he really gets the point 32:37.220 --> 32:41.260 across and he makes some very valid points. And he does it in such a way where it's not 32:41.260 --> 32:45.680 condescending. It's not talking down. It's not insulting. It's not ranting, ironically, 32:45.840 --> 32:50.100 for Rant Radio, for Rant Media. And we remember when it was Rant Radio. And that's Rant Media, 32:50.100 --> 32:55.000 which is cooler. So he's always been consistently like that. And I've always liked that about 32:55.000 --> 33:01.560 him. So kind of a mid-show shout outs to Samarian from me there. He was really, really good on 33:01.560 --> 33:05.840 there. It's probably my favorite part of it as well. So... 33:05.840 --> 33:07.480 And I'd like to... Oh, sorry, go ahead. 33:07.560 --> 33:08.220 No, I was done. 33:09.020 --> 33:12.840 I was going to say, I'd like to give him a shout out to him as well. He did something really 33:12.840 --> 33:18.100 nice for me. Because he lives in Vancouver. So he lives about 2,000, you know, gazillion 33:18.100 --> 33:24.920 miles away from me. And what he offered to do is, when I contacted him, he offered to 33:24.920 --> 33:30.600 shoot all the footage by himself and mail the DVD tape over to me so that I could include 33:30.600 --> 33:37.220 it in the documentary. And he did this, you know, all pretty much free of charge. So that 33:37.220 --> 33:41.420 was absolutely fantastic on his part. And I'd like to, you know, give a shout out for him. 33:41.480 --> 33:46.700 I know I keep saying how everyone's cool and all that, but it's true. And big shout out 33:46.700 --> 33:48.200 to him. 33:48.200 --> 33:52.580 Yeah, he... I mean, that just shows how sincere of a person he is that he'd be willing to 33:52.580 --> 34:00.560 do that. That's really, really cool of him. Absolutely cool. So... And actually, let's 34:00.560 --> 34:05.260 talk about his segment specifically, if we can. I mean, what he talked about, which hit 34:05.260 --> 34:12.520 very close to home for me, for obvious reasons, with DDP Hack Radio, was discussion on how some 34:12.520 --> 34:18.380 of these laws affect non-profit or hobby radio stations, which is exactly what we fall into, 34:18.480 --> 34:23.220 what Rant Media falls into. You know, stations that are just playing... You know, he explained 34:23.220 --> 34:28.300 that he just wanted to play music that he liked and couldn't find on normal radio. And that's 34:28.300 --> 34:33.780 really how they got started. You know, and Rant Radio has great industrial music and stuff 34:33.780 --> 34:37.520 like that. That's one of the things he started it on. And then the talk radio that came out 34:37.520 --> 34:42.240 of it was also fantastic, obviously. But it was just a hobby. There's no money. It was 34:42.240 --> 34:47.240 no profit. It was just because it was a hole. It was something that was missing, a gap of 34:47.240 --> 34:51.540 something that was missing out there that he decided to fill. And he went into some detail 34:51.540 --> 34:58.300 about how, with these new laws that are being passed, it takes away that ability because they 34:58.300 --> 35:04.380 want so much money. You know, not even on a per license, there's a minimum. And maybe you 35:04.380 --> 35:08.240 can... I don't want to, like, repeat his whole segment or anything like that on here, but 35:08.240 --> 35:10.940 he basically talked about how difficult it was. 35:11.840 --> 35:18.020 Yeah. And it's really unfortunate. I mean, in the United States, where you are, when there 35:18.020 --> 35:23.080 was a sort of similar law that was passed on royalties, which was insanely expensive. 35:23.440 --> 35:23.800 Right. 35:23.860 --> 35:29.880 And they say that basically, as soon as that sort of law passed, or act passed, pretty much 35:29.880 --> 35:36.560 99% of internet radio stations were pretty much wiped out. And only the ones that were 35:36.560 --> 35:42.700 heavy on commercials, the big sort of corporate ones that had lots of backing, like Live 365, 35:43.320 --> 35:47.780 were the ones that really remained legal and on top. And it's unfortunate. 35:48.920 --> 35:53.560 And, of course, the bootleg ones that are operating illegally, which is always going to happen. 35:53.560 --> 35:58.700 So that's the other funny thing. You know, now, it's funny that back in the days, it was 35:58.700 --> 36:03.680 pirate radio. You know, people that are trying to escape and fight the FCC. Now, here we are. 36:04.140 --> 36:07.600 We thought we'd kind of set that free with the internet, that I can come out here and I can 36:07.600 --> 36:11.980 say what I want. I can say, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck, and get away with it and say what 36:11.980 --> 36:17.640 I want, about what I want, about who I want on here. And now here we are finding ourselves 36:17.640 --> 36:22.140 in a position where they're stopping us from even doing that or trying to, which is why it's 36:22.140 --> 36:25.460 such an important point. And it's such an important thing to get out there and let people 36:25.460 --> 36:31.780 know. They're trying to silence us by strong-arming us financially. And it's the same thing. 36:33.480 --> 36:37.600 And it's really sad because, I mean, there's all these great, you know, music tracks out 36:37.600 --> 36:42.200 there. And if you listen to real radio, and that's one of the big reasons I wanted to do 36:42.200 --> 36:47.280 this doc was because of how upset I was with commercial radio. If you listen to commercial 36:47.280 --> 36:54.060 radio, it's absolutely mind-numbing how small their playlist is. And really, internet radio 36:54.060 --> 36:58.580 is the only way because satellite radio, you know, okay, let's say Sirius or XM, they have 36:58.580 --> 37:04.600 100 channels, which ain't half bad, although a lot of it is pretty much mainstream. But internet 37:04.600 --> 37:10.080 radio is really the only place to go if you want to listen to fresh, new, creative music. 37:10.080 --> 37:15.920 And by having, you know, such high C's like that, it's really going to kill legitimate 37:15.920 --> 37:21.120 ways of listening to new music, which we really need. Music is such a, you know, an integral 37:21.120 --> 37:25.480 part to our culture. So, yeah, that's my rant for the day. 37:25.920 --> 37:28.580 Yeah, well, it can't be a rant unless you throw a fuck in there somewhere. 37:29.260 --> 37:32.740 Okay. Fuck, fuck, fuck. There you go. 37:32.740 --> 37:40.580 There you go. Oh, I'm such a foul-mouthed person. Yeah. Well, you know what? And that 37:40.580 --> 37:44.700 kind of, that's something else that I noticed in the documentary quite a bit was I heard 37:44.700 --> 37:48.640 the phrase indie music quite a bit, which is exactly what you're talking about. It's 37:48.640 --> 37:53.360 not, the reason they call these states, they have such a limited playlist, the industry term 37:53.360 --> 37:59.220 is top 40 station because they play the same 40 freaking tracks over and over again. That's 37:59.220 --> 38:03.780 what they do. That is their playlist. We are a top 40 station. We say, play the same 38:03.780 --> 38:06.060 shit 40 times over every day. 38:07.020 --> 38:13.120 I know. It's, yeah, it's, I used to work at Staples. I used to put this music on. I literally 38:13.120 --> 38:18.440 drove nuts. It turned out I had to hijack the sound system at one point to play my own music 38:18.440 --> 38:24.000 just because I was going, I was literally, this, you know, millimeters close to killing 38:24.000 --> 38:29.160 an innocent customer. Bad music, man. It's really, it's insane. 38:29.220 --> 38:33.740 Yet, yet, yet, you and I were talking before the show and you'd go home from work every 38:33.740 --> 38:37.560 night and watch Canadian Idol on television. So, what's up with that? 38:39.160 --> 38:41.800 All right, I lied. I made, I completely made that up. 38:44.320 --> 38:47.900 Just for the record, I completely made that up. I didn't, I put Seal on the spot there. 38:47.940 --> 38:51.780 He doesn't listen. I don't know if you watch Canadian Idol. Everybody knows my American Idol 38:51.780 --> 38:56.740 obsession. But I just like it because I like seeing the people sing. It's not so much the 38:56.740 --> 39:01.880 music. It's just more like, I don't know. I'm just a sucker for anything that's positive 39:01.880 --> 39:06.220 on television these days because there's so little of it. So, anything that people are 39:06.220 --> 39:11.260 enjoying and getting ahead and, you know, somebody's winning and you go, I guess I like that kind 39:11.260 --> 39:17.280 of stuff on TV as opposed to, oh, I don't know, the fucking news! I hate watching news. 39:17.280 --> 39:22.600 You have a system of honor there. You watch it for the best. The only reason I watch Canadian 39:22.600 --> 39:27.680 Idol whenever I do or the dance shows they have is to watch the worst because I enjoy, 39:28.080 --> 39:32.260 I know I'm terrible, I'm worse than anyone there, but I enjoy making fun of the poor 39:32.260 --> 39:34.620 bastards that just suck ass. 39:34.620 --> 39:38.180 That is definitely the best part of it. No doubt that is the best part. Especially, 39:38.320 --> 39:43.600 I've been watching this dancing one lately, which, oh man, dude went flat down on his 39:43.600 --> 39:49.040 face and like knocked a couple teeth out or some shit like that. But anyway, I digress. 39:49.300 --> 39:52.720 Actually, Decoder and I have always said that we were going to go try out for American Idol 39:52.720 --> 39:58.780 just to get on like the worst ones just to purposely mess with them, but yeah, never going 39:58.780 --> 39:58.920 to happen. 39:58.920 --> 40:01.620 Hey, it'd be hacking American Idol. 40:01.620 --> 40:06.120 Hey, social engineer my way out there? Sure, I can make it happen. I've got to make sure 40:06.120 --> 40:11.680 I wear a BinRev shirt when I do it, though, get some publicity. Now, do you think there's 40:11.680 --> 40:18.320 any difference in the U.S. versus Canada? Because that's obviously a, what's the word? 40:18.400 --> 40:23.100 There's actually, it's very Canada-centric, if that's such a word, for obvious reasons. 40:23.500 --> 40:28.980 But did you notice many, in the film there are references to U.S. laws, but most of it does 40:28.980 --> 40:34.400 refer to, I don't know what the terms are, like different tariffs and different Canadian 40:34.400 --> 40:37.720 laws and stuff like that. Did you find a lot of differences between the two? 40:38.880 --> 40:45.520 To be honest, Canada is basically what the U.S. was 10 years ago. And so that's how, we're 40:45.520 --> 40:52.340 very similar to the U.S. And like, but, you know, the way that politicians think is pretty 40:52.340 --> 40:56.840 much the same. So there's lots of similarities. There's some, there are some differences, 40:57.000 --> 41:02.800 though. Downloading music in Canada is legal, thanks to a loophole, or what I consider to 41:02.800 --> 41:09.680 be a loophole in the, in, oh, I forget now, but basically the part of the Copyright Act 41:09.680 --> 41:16.280 in Canada that dictates terrorists, which isn't the case in the United States. But downloading 41:16.280 --> 41:22.240 movies and software in Canada is nonetheless illegal. We don't have the DMCA yet. You 41:22.240 --> 41:26.600 know, we haven't ratified the WIPO treaties. The WIPO treaties is, by the way, what the 41:26.600 --> 41:33.060 DMCA is to some extent. And, but we're basically where the United States was 10 years ago. And 41:33.060 --> 41:38.800 that's the reason I made this movie is because I do not want to see a law, like, there are 41:38.800 --> 41:43.740 some good ideas in the WIPO treaties, but I don't want to see basically, you know, it being 41:43.740 --> 41:49.360 illegal for someone, for me to watch a DVD on my Linux box, you know, or this whole reverse 41:49.360 --> 41:53.700 engineering being illegal when it's for a good purpose is for legitimate purposes, you 41:53.700 --> 41:59.100 know, driver supported Linux. You can't do that without reverse engineering. So it's, it's 41:59.100 --> 42:05.340 basically, there are differences and I'm completely marring the point and I'm just talking on and 42:05.340 --> 42:08.560 on, so I'll stop here, but yeah, there's some small differences here and there. 42:08.680 --> 42:12.820 Well, do you find, do you find, and I, this isn't, we're not, this isn't political. 42:12.820 --> 42:17.780 Well, this is a curiosity question. Do you find that Canadian policy is driven much by 42:17.780 --> 42:22.620 American policy? If we may, if, for example, us pushing the DMCA, do you think that also 42:22.620 --> 42:25.160 puts more pressure that you guys now have to follow suit? 42:25.960 --> 42:31.380 Yeah. It's been said in the U.S. by, I forgot what politicians, that basically Canada was a 42:31.380 --> 42:39.100 sort of cesspool for piracy. And, yeah. And, but I mean, there is pressure. The United States 42:39.100 --> 42:44.900 is applying, is sort of holding back relationships with other countries until they ratify themselves. 42:45.060 --> 42:49.060 The WIPO treaties are an implementation that's there. And there is pressure from the United 42:49.060 --> 42:54.340 States. Fortunately, though, Canada is somewhat of, and I don't mean to, you know, shat the 42:54.340 --> 43:00.060 United States in any way, but Canadian politicians tend to be more moderate on to the issue of 43:00.060 --> 43:07.280 piracy. And they, they tend to be less influenced by the $300,000 that are donated to them by 43:07.280 --> 43:13.460 the, you know, big four entertainment companies. Um, like, um, here's one fact, like when I did 43:13.460 --> 43:19.400 my initial research, for example, um, in Canada, right, the most that a politician can be given 43:19.400 --> 43:24.720 by a citizen is a thousand bucks for, uh, for his campaign. By a corporation, it used 43:24.720 --> 43:28.200 to be a thousand bucks, but now it's been, uh, I've, last I've heard, it's been reduced 43:28.200 --> 43:33.200 to zero. Corporates aren't allowed to donate. In the United States, uh, before they passed 43:33.200 --> 43:38.800 amendments to that, in the 2000 elections, Warren Hash, who's the guy in charge of copyright 43:38.800 --> 43:44.840 reform, so the guy who's dictating what the law is going to look like, he was paid $300,000 43:44.840 --> 43:51.120 by the big four entertainment companies in the United States and members of the RIAA and MPAA. 43:51.860 --> 43:56.000 And these just influence your judgment, you know, no matter where you stand, there's no way that 43:56.000 --> 44:01.500 300 grants cannot influence your decision-making. So in Canada, we're fortunate that we don't have 44:01.500 --> 44:06.880 that. And, you know, future elections in the US should be easier because that was torn down a lot. 44:06.960 --> 44:12.100 I think it's been reduced to a thousand bucks there, but yeah. Well, but then there's the under 44:12.100 --> 44:18.800 the table stuff that goes on as well. And, you know, and, and again, you know, that is 44:18.800 --> 44:23.160 the biggest corruption, the biggest problem with our government. I'm not afraid to say 44:23.160 --> 44:27.960 that. Our country is, I'm very proud of the United States in a lot of things, but we have 44:27.960 --> 44:32.580 come so corrupt in Congress with these big interests, special interest groups and these 44:32.580 --> 44:38.620 big companies throwing money either in our faces like we're stupid or under the table 44:38.620 --> 44:43.220 also like we're stupid, like we don't know that's happening. And the, the, the other, 44:43.320 --> 44:47.320 the other part of that that's really, people might not realize is a lot of people know that 44:47.320 --> 44:51.400 and unfortunately say, yeah, well, that's just, you know, they ever heard the phrase 44:51.400 --> 44:55.400 politics as usual, you know, they just kind of like, yeah, well, that's the way the system 44:55.400 --> 45:01.140 is. Well, I'm not so happy to just smile and let that go. I don't mind coming out and 45:01.140 --> 45:06.860 saying it. And now I think it's even getting further because, all right, fine. The big four, 45:06.860 --> 45:11.280 we'll use them for an example. I'll make up that example just to go with it. They give 45:11.280 --> 45:17.740 so-and-so so much money to try to push their agenda into United States law and into, you 45:17.740 --> 45:24.100 know, making new laws and into our new, oh crap, what's the word? Well, into our new 45:24.100 --> 45:29.700 laws for, I can't think of the word, which is one thing, which is fine. It's corrupt here. 45:29.780 --> 45:33.960 It causes us problems. It ends up giving, you know, I've said this before on the show. 45:33.960 --> 45:38.040 We are no longer a government of the people, by the people, for the people. We're a government 45:38.040 --> 45:43.800 of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporations. And that's a problem. And 45:43.800 --> 45:51.520 it's now getting amplified because the United States, as a world leader, now we're going 45:51.520 --> 45:56.460 to strong arm other countries, including Canada or whatever else, that we're not going to do 45:56.460 --> 46:01.620 business with you or we're not going to cooperate until you also do this. So now these bribes 46:01.620 --> 46:08.460 that are going through are forcing world policy? Hello? What the fuck? Am I, what? All right. 46:08.500 --> 46:11.640 I'm going to back off because we're going political and we don't still, that's one thing I don't 46:11.640 --> 46:15.600 want to change about the show. I like to stay off of that if we can. So I'm going to back 46:15.600 --> 46:23.140 away, take a deep breath and switch gears real quick. You actually kind of said a minute 46:23.140 --> 46:28.000 ago you were, when you were doing your research, did you, I think it'd be naive to say you didn't 46:28.000 --> 46:33.300 have a predisposition, an idea in your mind and opinions before you started filming this. 46:33.380 --> 46:37.900 Did you find any, did you change very much? Did you have your eyes opened or realize any 46:37.900 --> 46:40.500 things that you were surprised at yourself for? 46:41.620 --> 46:49.420 Yes, I certainly did. Before the documentary, I was very sort of on a neutral standpoint towards 46:49.420 --> 46:56.660 the issue. And actually, no, that's wrong. I was more of a pro user sort of guy. And my 46:56.660 --> 47:02.000 belief before I made this documentary was that most of the piracy that was going on was being 47:02.000 --> 47:06.960 done by people who had, who were interested in buying the music. If it was good, you know, 47:06.960 --> 47:08.640 it was a sort of taste testing thing. 47:08.720 --> 47:09.060 Right. 47:09.780 --> 47:14.960 When I started interviewing people and okay, again, your users or your listeners are going 47:14.960 --> 47:19.960 to grunt at this. When I started interviewing people, what I found out was actually most 47:19.960 --> 47:24.520 people didn't care about the artist. Some did, you know, a lot, you know, actually some, 47:24.600 --> 47:29.220 a lot of people did, but a lot of more people didn't. And that was sort of an eye opener for 47:29.220 --> 47:33.760 me. And that really, that almost made me want to stop the movie right now because I was really 47:33.760 --> 47:38.880 discouraged because originally when I decided to do this movie is sort of to highlight this 47:38.880 --> 47:44.940 opinion of sort of the Linux kind of guy who's informed and who this flash dot sort of 47:44.940 --> 47:49.980 mentality of the informed guy who does things ethically and who might download music, but 47:49.980 --> 47:55.240 ultimately pays a lot to the artist and, you know, with due funds. And that wasn't what 47:55.240 --> 48:02.380 I saw. So that's one way my opinion changed. Another way is sort of, I became, I realized 48:02.380 --> 48:11.860 how sort of, I keep saying sort of, but I realized how more complex this issue is. I used to have 48:11.860 --> 48:15.820 a very black and white perspective. I used to think it was the industries versus the 48:15.820 --> 48:21.660 people. And I used to think that CDs at a store were a ripoff directly because of the 48:21.660 --> 48:27.620 recording labels. And what I realized now is that, yes, CDs are still expensive as hell, 48:27.740 --> 48:34.080 but it isn't, you know, this RIAA's fault, for instance. It's the whole group of sort of 48:34.080 --> 48:39.080 events converging together that end up in being what is a very expensive price tag and people 48:39.080 --> 48:42.900 demanding lots of royalties, other people demanding royalties and all this mixing up 48:42.900 --> 48:48.960 for these high price points. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that my, I think I'm more 48:48.960 --> 48:53.980 even now. I think that my perspective highlights more of the corporate interests, which I was 48:53.980 --> 49:00.400 lacking before. And I'm not paid by the corporations or anything like that. It's just, it was something 49:00.400 --> 49:05.980 that I lacked. I suppose when you're a teenager, you're sort of not too much, you're sort of 49:05.980 --> 49:10.600 anti-establishmentarian or whatever that word is. And it's opened my eyes. 49:10.920 --> 49:14.960 Well, and there, there is an age factor in there for sure. A lot of younger people are 49:14.960 --> 49:19.120 certainly downloading it because it's free and they don't have to pay for it. We, I mean, 49:19.140 --> 49:22.300 no one's denying that. That'd be naive to not say that's happening. 49:23.440 --> 49:27.700 Yeah. And it's, it's sad though. I mean, like, anyways. 49:27.700 --> 49:32.120 Well, you know what, and you kind of alluded to this, but I mean, the, the, the simplified 49:32.120 --> 49:40.080 version is the system is flawed. The way the system delivers music has been, see, where 49:40.080 --> 49:46.200 the, there's too many middlemen. People in the middle, they see a good thing and they're 49:46.200 --> 49:51.200 like, wow, that guy makes good music or those people make good music and these people have 49:51.200 --> 49:54.760 money and want to pay for it. And they'll stick their hands out in the middle and they'll 49:54.760 --> 49:58.780 try to weasel their way in and get some of that money. And that's happened so much over 49:58.780 --> 50:03.880 the years. And so many people have weaseled their way in and got their hands out that that's 50:03.880 --> 50:08.940 why like the, a lot of the artists, they don't have a problem necessarily with, I'm sure 50:08.940 --> 50:14.580 they don't all want their music downloaded for free, you know, but they're, a lot of them 50:14.580 --> 50:19.580 realize and understand that they could make as much, if not probably more, if they went 50:19.580 --> 50:24.720 with a different distribution method. But unfortunately they have to sign labels if 50:24.720 --> 50:27.760 they really want to hit the quote unquote big time, they're not going to get on those 50:27.760 --> 50:33.020 top 40 stations because the system will not let them get there unless they go through 50:33.020 --> 50:39.360 the system. And now we've got resources like this radio station and this radio show and 50:39.360 --> 50:42.860 others like it, Rant Radio and all these other stations out there and that's why it's 50:42.860 --> 50:47.960 important. We're giving them that other platform to release their music and another way to get 50:47.960 --> 50:52.780 it out there. And I, for one, I've said on the show many times, iTunes is a good start 50:52.780 --> 50:57.460 and things like that where you can pay for one individual track or whatever. I don't 50:57.460 --> 51:02.960 like the overabundance of DRM in it and the limitations of it. And I still happen to believe 51:02.960 --> 51:04.680 that a dollar is too much for one song. 51:04.980 --> 51:07.100 Me too. I would pay, I did some research on that. 51:07.420 --> 51:11.480 I would pay 50 cents. That's my limit. I would rather pay a quarter, obviously. I'd be willing 51:11.480 --> 51:15.880 to pay 50 cents for a song that I like where I could use it as much as I want, copy it to 51:15.880 --> 51:22.580 20 different, like I want to put it on like maybe my PDA phone, put it on an iPod, put 51:22.580 --> 51:27.740 it on another MP3 player. I've got five or six computers in this room. You know, I don't 51:27.740 --> 51:31.900 want this limiting. I can only put it on five computers ever over the life of the damn thing. 51:31.940 --> 51:32.680 That's ridiculous. 51:32.680 --> 51:39.040 But yeah, and like for the dollar song, like, and it goes back to your middleman thing. Like 51:39.040 --> 51:43.920 I tried contacting Apple's and everyone pretty much, I was doing research into that, why it 51:43.920 --> 51:48.120 was so expensive. Because a dollar is actually a shitload for just a download that, you know, 51:48.160 --> 51:49.680 costs maybe half a cent in bandwidth. 51:50.320 --> 51:51.300 If that, yeah. 51:51.740 --> 51:57.740 Yeah, probably a half of a trillionth of a cent. And what it turns out to be, yeah, it's 51:57.740 --> 52:01.460 middleman. And not just middleman so much as that, you know, all these people want 52:01.460 --> 52:05.660 royalties. And they're still stuck in the old way of thinking. And so they demand, you 52:05.660 --> 52:10.540 know, well, five cents here, five cents here, five cents here. And they have a right to it 52:10.540 --> 52:14.480 for sure. You know, you know, these people deserve their money. The music publishers deserve 52:14.480 --> 52:14.960 their money. 52:15.360 --> 52:16.720 I don't know. To a certain extent. 52:16.720 --> 52:22.540 It all adds up. And, you know, when it adds up, it adds up to a lot. Apple makes only something 52:22.540 --> 52:28.380 like, what was it, 10 cents per sale on their per dollar download? 52:28.380 --> 52:34.900 Only 10 cents? Dude, only 10 cents for how many millions and billions of downloads? That 52:34.900 --> 52:35.220 adds up. 52:35.220 --> 52:39.860 But still, I mean, you know, if it was four to 50 cents and they made 10 cents off that, 52:39.900 --> 52:40.780 it'd be a lot more decent. 52:40.780 --> 52:47.820 Yeah, for sure. But I don't know. We could go into another long debate on whether or not 52:47.820 --> 52:53.460 the labels have such a right to make their money. Or the cop, or the licensors, I should 52:53.460 --> 53:00.020 say, because they are middlemen to me. I think if, in an ideal world, which is not 53:00.020 --> 53:04.200 going to freaking happen, let's admit it. But let's pretend, let's do, let's go to 53:04.200 --> 53:04.860 Stank World here. 53:05.960 --> 53:06.360 Okay. 53:06.680 --> 53:06.960 Okay. 53:07.740 --> 53:08.420 The artist... 53:08.420 --> 53:10.460 I'm waving my fingers here to go into Stank World. 53:10.600 --> 53:14.640 The artist... Hey, that was a quote from another famous Canadian, Mike Myers. See? Ooh. 53:14.800 --> 53:14.920 Yeah. 53:15.180 --> 53:18.300 See, I'm up on my Canadian trivia. You guys up there in Canadia. 53:19.260 --> 53:19.860 Oh, yes. 53:19.860 --> 53:28.460 We, um... If we lived in a perfect world, the artist could put their music on iTunes 53:28.460 --> 53:33.820 and they could set the amount of money that they want to make on it. And, even more ideally, 53:33.940 --> 53:37.460 let's set a cap on... This is the most you can charge. Let's say they want 25 cents out 53:37.460 --> 53:41.360 of it, but they'll allow iTunes to sell it for up to 50. That way, they make a quarter 53:41.360 --> 53:48.720 and the other quarter goes to the artist and it's that fucking simple. Why can't that happen? 53:48.720 --> 53:54.000 Why is that so difficult? Because there's... Technically, you're a band. Hey, I'm going 53:54.000 --> 53:57.520 to upload it to iTunes. And guess what? If it sucks, it's not going to sell. Sink or swim 53:57.520 --> 54:01.780 on its own merit. You know? It's going to be there. People can have access to it easily. 54:01.920 --> 54:06.400 And I'm, of course, making iTunes as one example. I could be referring to anything, any company, 54:06.520 --> 54:12.140 whatever. You know what I'm getting at there. It should and could be that simple, but everybody's 54:12.140 --> 54:12.820 got their hand out. 54:13.320 --> 54:18.140 You know, I think it is going to end up like that. You know, magnitude... I keep saying magnitude 54:18.140 --> 54:22.620 and I don't want to give them bonus because, to me, they're just, you know, a company. 54:23.140 --> 54:28.960 But, you know, where they give, you know, 50 to the artists, 50% of themselves. Something 54:28.960 --> 54:33.140 like that, I think it's going to get bigger over time. And I think that as more artists 54:33.140 --> 54:38.100 move away from the labels, and right now, I mean, let's not kid ourselves. Although we 54:38.100 --> 54:42.540 hear lots of news of this happening, it's really only a small, small, small fraction of a percent 54:42.540 --> 54:46.840 that do that. But as more of them move away from the labels, there'll be more momentum 54:46.840 --> 54:53.040 towards this new way of doing things, this new free market. And I say that in 20 years 54:53.040 --> 54:58.000 from now, okay, maybe not 20 years because that's too far and just depressing, maybe 10 54:58.000 --> 55:03.500 years from now, I say that there'll be artists, like half the artists we know today, on something 55:03.500 --> 55:06.020 where we have the system of stank world. 55:08.720 --> 55:11.640 You missed a phone call. And you missed a phone call just then. 55:12.480 --> 55:13.820 I hope it wasn't too late. 55:14.060 --> 55:17.940 Ah, they'll deal with it. Screw the listeners! We don't care about them on this show. 55:19.140 --> 55:21.880 But we could have had a social engineering thing with a telemarketer. 55:22.040 --> 55:23.560 Ah, screw the listeners, they'll deal with it. 55:24.280 --> 55:26.640 Oh, wait a minute, you know what? Remind me to edit that screw the listeners out. 55:27.520 --> 55:27.840 Okay. 55:28.060 --> 55:29.840 No, I'm going to leave that in there. It'll be funnier that way. 55:30.620 --> 55:31.840 Anyway, I'm sorry, you were saying? 55:32.780 --> 55:34.220 No, I wasn't saying anything, actually. 55:34.880 --> 55:39.740 Well, you know what? And actually, we've gone well over time. But just one other thing 55:39.740 --> 55:45.020 I did quickly want to say was, we've been talking mostly, at least on this show, about 55:45.020 --> 55:49.400 the music aspect. But you also touched on movies in there as well. Did you find a big 55:49.400 --> 55:54.020 difference? Were there a lot of similarities? I know you said legally music was different 55:54.020 --> 55:57.320 than movies and software. But other than that, were there any differences or similarities 55:57.320 --> 56:03.720 between the, let's again use the word, the system? Were they similar in the way that 56:03.720 --> 56:05.700 they both feel about piracy? 56:05.700 --> 56:14.740 Yeah. I mean, I interviewed the chief of operations for the NTAAA's Canadian branch. And what he 56:14.740 --> 56:19.980 gave is pretty much what the music industry gave. And movies is basically where the music 56:19.980 --> 56:24.240 industry was three years ago. You know, in terms of downloading now, that bandwidth and 56:24.240 --> 56:28.360 high speed is very prominent in Canada and the United States and all Western nations. 56:28.360 --> 56:33.680 I mean, there's still that barrier with some people, but it's a big issue now, much in 56:33.680 --> 56:39.100 the same way. And the laws are the same. The issues are the same. So yeah, I'd say, you 56:39.100 --> 56:44.840 know what, the threats are the same. Only now the NTAAA is putting on, you know, lots of 56:44.840 --> 56:49.720 efforts and to shutting down these where's groups and whatnot. But yeah. 56:49.720 --> 56:55.920 Well, you know, the whole suing 12 year old girls and grandmothers and all that, that's 56:55.920 --> 57:03.060 been well documented with all of these people trying to enforce their own. Anyway, well, you 57:03.060 --> 57:09.100 know, let me give you Stank's quick opinion on movies, my rant on movies. First of all, 57:09.220 --> 57:13.040 I can't stand watching a movie on my computer. It's just a personal thing. I don't like it. 57:13.260 --> 57:16.520 I just, I don't like it. You know, I'd rather go on my big screen and watch it or go in a 57:16.520 --> 57:20.960 movie theater or whatever. I don't like watching it on a little screen like that. Unless when 57:20.960 --> 57:25.400 I'm traveling for work on an airplane, it's great for that. I can handle that. But I don't 57:25.400 --> 57:29.360 like watching those camera ones with the little fucking Z that floats around on the screen 57:29.360 --> 57:33.620 and shit like that. Can't stand that kind of stuff. So I don't like watching them on 57:33.620 --> 57:38.500 the computer anyway. Secondly, here's, and here's, I know they view it as a threat. I look 57:38.500 --> 57:44.060 at it as, I think they should look at this as an opportunity. Because this is where music, 57:44.060 --> 57:49.280 the RAA and them screwed up a few years back. When this was starting to happen, Napster, 57:49.380 --> 57:53.780 let's go back that far. They had an opportunity there that way they could have changed their 57:53.780 --> 57:59.580 modeling and their pricing structure and actually used this new medium. And right now, because 57:59.580 --> 58:03.880 they're like, to use your phrase, three years behind, I think they're in the same situation 58:03.880 --> 58:07.940 where they could take advantage of this and use this, or they could shoot themselves in 58:07.940 --> 58:10.980 the foot. And I'm waiting, I'm curious, I'm going to wait and see what happens. Because 58:10.980 --> 58:17.080 right now, you can go buy a DVD when it's released, sometimes as low as $10, $10 to $15, 58:17.480 --> 58:25.320 $20 usually suggested retail. That's fair to me. $10 to $15 for a good movie, or what 58:25.320 --> 58:29.040 I consider good, and of course everybody has their own whatever, of what they think is 58:29.040 --> 58:33.760 good. I'm willing to pay $10 to have that that I can watch multiple times. You know, 58:33.840 --> 58:38.760 I do not like the region restrictions. That's a whole other topic. I wish it were completely 58:38.760 --> 58:42.780 region free. I wish I didn't have a lot of region crap. But, I'm willing to pay $10 58:42.780 --> 58:48.860 to own a movie that I can watch as much as I want, when I want, and have high quality 58:48.860 --> 58:54.800 audio, high quality video, and extra features and stuff like that on it. Personally, I'm 58:54.800 --> 58:59.420 okay with that. I know a lot of people probably will disagree. I'm not, you know, I think 58:59.420 --> 59:05.380 $10 to go to a movie theater is also a little steep, but if you go infrequently, it's okay. 59:05.740 --> 59:09.820 You know, they can charge that. It's a market economy, and I can't fault them for that. I 59:09.820 --> 59:15.580 personally think it's a little high, but what are you going to do? But, if they start raising 59:15.580 --> 59:22.500 the prices on DVDs, and continue increasing the prices on movies, they're going to shoot 59:22.500 --> 59:26.940 themselves in the foot, and I'm going to be on this show, or some show, or maybe I'll be 59:26.940 --> 59:30.020 nowhere, and everybody will have forgotten about me, which is fine too, but I'll be bitching 59:30.020 --> 59:34.840 at one of my friends, and I'll say, I told you fuckers a couple years ago, that you had 59:34.840 --> 59:38.580 a chance, and you're going to blow it. If they end up increasing the stuff where, you 59:38.580 --> 59:41.540 know what, there's going to get to a point where I'm going to say, it's not worth it 59:41.540 --> 59:45.700 to buy a DVD anymore. I'm not paying that much to go to a movie theater. And when that 59:45.700 --> 59:48.680 happens, you know what they're going to do? They're going to cry and go, oh, it's piracy 59:48.680 --> 59:52.800 that killed us. No, you fucktards. It's greed that killed you. 59:52.800 --> 59:57.740 Well, I agree with you. And, you know, okay, let's put this in, you know, different 59:57.740 --> 01:00:02.640 circumstances. Let's say it was 20 years ago, right? And you were in a shop, and you 01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:06.900 saw, and CDs weren't out yet, right? Let's say CDs didn't exist yet, but everyone had 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:09.000 a CD player for some miraculous reason. 01:00:09.060 --> 01:00:09.380 Okay. 01:00:09.520 --> 01:00:11.860 And you saw someone selling CDs, right? 01:00:12.080 --> 01:00:12.420 Mm-hmm. 01:00:13.180 --> 01:00:17.060 Pirated CDs, right? But CDs didn't exist yet, except this guy had them, and you can play 01:00:17.060 --> 01:00:17.240 them. 01:00:17.660 --> 01:00:17.920 Right. 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:24.280 But, you know, this is a new market, and no one's tapping it, you know? If they were 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:30.020 smart, they'd make CDs, right? The companies would make CDs. And so that was a horrible 01:00:30.020 --> 01:00:34.940 analogy, but I guess what I'm trying to say is, what they should do is, here's all these 01:00:34.940 --> 01:00:38.860 people targeting these movies online. I know you don't like it online, but some people, 01:00:39.100 --> 01:00:44.160 you know, they're indifferent. To me, that's a sign that there's a market there. 01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:49.000 But you're right, it's untapped, and they are fucking this up big time, because they're 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:58.100 not, there is no movie iTunes, right? So, if they were smart, which they aren't, if they 01:00:58.100 --> 01:01:02.920 were smart, there would be a way to download movies, DRM, let's say it's DRM, so that, you 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.580 know, they could release DVDs later on, but let's say they have movies online for seven 01:01:07.580 --> 01:01:07.960 bucks. 01:01:08.180 --> 01:01:12.860 If I pay to download it, why should I then have to pay again to get it on DVD? Let 01:01:12.860 --> 01:01:14.080 me burn my own freaking DVD. 01:01:14.660 --> 01:01:15.540 Well, you know what? 01:01:16.620 --> 01:01:20.020 Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, yeah, I didn't mean to branch off 01:01:20.020 --> 01:01:20.620 of that, go ahead. 01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:25.140 But that's basically what I'm trying to say, you know, here's this big market, they're not 01:01:25.140 --> 01:01:30.260 tapping it, and yes, a few years down the road, they will cry wolf, or cry fowl, or 01:01:30.260 --> 01:01:35.700 whatever, but if they were to sell movies right now online, same time as movie theaters, 01:01:36.340 --> 01:01:40.700 there'd be a huge market. Yes, some people would still pirate it, for sure, but I bet you 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:46.000 a lot more people would buy it, because people don't like, people like buying, people like 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.700 supporting, they like it, you know? 01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:54.480 Right, yeah, well, to a certain extent, absolutely. I totally support, I bought Jason Scott's documentary, 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:59.260 absolutely, because I support it, and I hope you'll make a DVD available that I can buy from 01:01:59.260 --> 01:02:04.940 you, you know, which you're going to sign for me, of course, and send me a copy. But 01:02:04.940 --> 01:02:10.600 absolutely, and they've got to think how to tap this, I mean, instead of this whole traditional 01:02:10.600 --> 01:02:13.840 way of thinking, they've got to think new, they've got to think outside the box. Like, 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:21.240 here's an example, I don't know if this is viable. I pay $5, $10, or something, to download 01:02:21.240 --> 01:02:25.180 a DRM version of the movie that I can watch on my computer. Again, personally, I'm not 01:02:25.180 --> 01:02:30.700 here, but when it's released on DVD, they have it on file, and they mail it to me for another 01:02:30.700 --> 01:02:35.320 $5, or something. That way, I have it early, I have a digital copy, but I also get a physical 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.240 DVD, which I like to have from a collection standpoint. I kind of like to have my DVD 01:02:39.240 --> 01:02:42.880 collection that I can go browse through it, and say, I'm in the mood to watch this, you 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:43.080 know? 01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:48.380 And that sounds like a fantastic idea, and that's one thing, you know, if that were a business 01:02:48.380 --> 01:02:53.440 model right now, guaranteed, I'd pretty much watch a lot more movies than I do now, and 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.080 that's how I'd do it. But I think the biggest problem they face right now is just it's so 01:02:58.080 --> 01:03:04.080 slow to get changes through. Like, look how long it... When Napster came out, it's not 01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:08.080 like they were really ignoring it. They're not complete idiots. They're sort of aware 01:03:08.080 --> 01:03:12.640 that this thing's there. It's just it takes so long for them to do all these changes, and 01:03:12.640 --> 01:03:18.700 unfortunately, they're not going fast enough, and they're really ultimately going to hurt 01:03:18.700 --> 01:03:23.740 themselves by sort of not pressuring themselves to be faster to adopt new models that embrace 01:03:23.740 --> 01:03:31.020 the Internet. Yeah. Some of them are complete idiots, though. Yeah, it'll go agreed. Some 01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:39.300 of them. Oh, we're dropping docs now. All right, man. Well, let's see. The only other 01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:43.560 thing is I did make a note to myself that I really thought it was cool the way you did 01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:47.420 the closing credits with the ANSI art. I thought that was a nice touch and a throwback to the 01:03:47.420 --> 01:03:52.840 old, well, for piracy days where you would get the info file and you get the ANSI art with 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:58.460 all the shouts and all the release names and thanks to this release group and et cetera, 01:03:58.560 --> 01:04:02.620 et cetera. I thought that was kind of cool. Can we give somebody some credit for who did 01:04:02.620 --> 01:04:09.100 that art? Yeah. His name is Zero, and I used to work with him back in the day, and he's a 01:04:09.100 --> 01:04:17.060 very good ANSI artist, and you may catch some of his art on some art packs that are online. 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:24.480 Unfortunately, I can't give more information than that, but incredible artist. Cool. Cool. 01:04:25.300 --> 01:04:30.120 All right. Well, what else do we have? Did we miss anything? We were pretty thorough in 01:04:30.120 --> 01:04:33.760 all that, huh? Yeah. I realized that I interrupted. 01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:39.920 I have one other little thing that kind of popped into my mind, too, is I don't know how 01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:45.320 to politely word this, but you interviewed somebody who was part of a release group. How 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:51.540 do you not get in trouble by putting someone's face and recording talking about that kind of 01:04:51.540 --> 01:04:59.040 thing? You change his name. You delete. You have no reference of him on your computer whatsoever. 01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:03.780 All your information on him is in your head. And forgotten, by the way, I don't remember his phone 01:05:03.780 --> 01:05:07.320 number. I don't remember. Does he have an email address? I don't know where he lives. 01:05:08.080 --> 01:05:11.500 And you eat the tape with ketchup. 01:05:12.220 --> 01:05:18.640 Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, his face is out there, man. I think I might have blurred that one. 01:05:18.640 --> 01:05:28.520 Well, you know what? Like, we were talking about this, me and him. And, you know, like, there's 01:05:28.520 --> 01:05:34.580 no reference to his real group. And, you know, he said himself that he's retired. So it's 01:05:34.580 --> 01:05:39.400 not like the FBI has face recognition. And even if they do, well, I can guarantee you here 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:45.580 in Canada, the closest thing to face recognition is probably someone drawing on, uh, with oil 01:05:45.580 --> 01:05:48.400 on paper. So he's pretty safe. 01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:52.900 Well, and you know what? That segment, see, watch how I do this. See, this is, this is how 01:05:52.900 --> 01:05:58.520 you work it. That entire segment was completely fictionalized anyway for the movie. So it's 01:05:58.520 --> 01:05:59.500 really non-issue. 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:02.940 You know what? He was lying the whole thing. He's a paid actor. 01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:08.540 Exactly. See, that's what they do in the film industry. See? You're absolutely going 01:06:08.540 --> 01:06:11.140 to end up being, you're going to be the next Scorsese, man. You're going to be the next, 01:06:11.220 --> 01:06:17.260 uh, Lucas? No, not Lucas. He's a bastard. Um, um, actually, you know what? You're going 01:06:17.260 --> 01:06:21.160 to laugh at this. I'm the only person, I'm the only person who still hasn't seen that 01:06:21.160 --> 01:06:22.260 third Star Trek movie. 01:06:23.020 --> 01:06:24.440 The first two were so... 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:25.360 It's actually not that bad. 01:06:25.560 --> 01:06:26.920 Yeah, the first two were so horrible. 01:06:27.660 --> 01:06:31.780 Oh, yeah. Guaranteed. The first one, that whole Jar Jar thing, horrible. The second one 01:06:31.780 --> 01:06:35.840 was even worse. I, I actually didn't see it in theaters. I rented it and then I was 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.540 glad, but then I felt stupid for spending, you know, four bucks renting it. 01:06:39.740 --> 01:06:40.020 Right. 01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:44.780 Third one ain't that bad. Okay, think of, you ever heard of a guy named Yul Bull? He did 01:06:44.780 --> 01:06:46.040 the Alone in the Dark movies. 01:06:46.220 --> 01:06:47.800 Wow, that sounds really familiar. 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:56.300 Okay, he's, he's a guy who's so bad that he gets tax breaks because he's just that bad. 01:06:56.620 --> 01:07:01.060 He is probably one of the worst directors. My fish, I had my fish with me watching one 01:07:01.060 --> 01:07:07.480 of his movies and it imploded. Okay? It is a horror, he is bad. Alone in the Dark is a 01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:12.160 movie you absolutely have to rent just because it's just that bad. Okay? Then you need a 01:07:12.160 --> 01:07:21.000 good laugh. But, um, I, compared to that, you know, but the third one, if you like bad 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:26.720 movies or, sorry, I was going somewhere with this, but you know what, just watch it, rent 01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:28.440 is five bucks, not a bad, you know. 01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:35.180 Yeah, yeah, I mean, the first Star Trek was really bad, or I'm sorry, Star Wars. Oh, damn 01:07:35.180 --> 01:07:39.200 it, again, I've done that. I'll get all the Trekkies haunting me for that, stalking me. 01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:39.780 Yeah, eight mil. 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:47.680 Star Wars one was horrible. I paid and went to see it in the theater and I really felt 01:07:47.680 --> 01:07:52.500 ripped off. Like Kevin Smith, I felt horribly ripped off. So when the second one came out, 01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:56.800 I did not go pay to see it in the theater. Because I already felt ripped off from the 01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:02.380 first one. I wanted to actually get my money's worth from the first movie by watching the 01:08:02.380 --> 01:08:06.240 second movie, which I thought was a little better, but still pretty damn bad if it wasn't 01:08:06.240 --> 01:08:11.040 for the Yoda fight scene. The rest of it was pretty crappy. If I wanted to watch fucking 01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:15.680 romance shit, I'd watch When Harry Fucked Sally or whatever that movie is. There's probably 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:20.200 a porn by that name. I just made it up, but it probably already exists. When Harry Met Sally 01:08:20.200 --> 01:08:24.400 or some crap, I don't want to see all that stuff. Like saving Ryan's track. 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:30.600 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I think somebody in IRC, I glanced at, said that they're making 01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.600 one for the Da Vinci Code. Oh, what was the... 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:34.800 Making it what? 01:08:35.240 --> 01:08:40.260 I don't remember what the porn joke was. Oh, the Da Vinci, it was called the Da Vinci 01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:46.460 Load. Oh, that's so awful. Okay, we've degraded as far as we can go on the show for this 01:08:46.460 --> 01:08:50.740 time, but we're well over time, so we're going to squeeze in a couple emails at the 01:08:50.740 --> 01:08:58.580 end of the show, but Julian, a.k.a. Seal, a.k.a. the next big Hollywood director, thank 01:08:58.580 --> 01:09:03.880 you for being on the show. I appreciate it. And for those of you who don't, haven't seen 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:10.060 it yet, piracydocumentary.com. All right, so again, thank you for being on the show, and 01:09:10.060 --> 01:09:34.980 we are going to do some email. And helping us out on the email segment of the show this 01:09:34.980 --> 01:09:39.560 week is our good friend, Drewce. Thank you for letting me be on the show, buddy. 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.500 All right, well, let's jump into some email here. Our first email this week comes from 01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:52.340 WebX7. I can't think of any other way to pronounce that, so WebX7 says, hey, I would like to request 01:09:52.340 --> 01:09:57.380 documents from my local courthouse on a friend of mine that was arrested. Does anyone have 01:09:57.380 --> 01:10:03.200 any idea on how I would do this? I would prefer free, but if I have to pay for copy costs at 01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:08.820 my courthouse or something, I can live with that. Thanks. And I believe this person also 01:10:08.820 --> 01:10:13.840 posted in the forums. Did you see that thread out there, Droopy? I did not, Mr. Stiggy. 01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:19.040 No, okay. First of all, theoretically, you should be able to go to the courthouse where the filing 01:10:19.040 --> 01:10:23.400 is or where the filing happened or whatever and request copies of it, but I've never done 01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:27.140 that myself, so I can't say whether that's true or false. I would think that you should be 01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:30.920 able to go there because it's a matter of public record, so I would think you should be able 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.720 to go there and get copies for a fee of, I don't know, a buck a page, I would imagine. 01:10:35.820 --> 01:10:40.580 I don't know, maybe two. I don't know. But you're better off going online. The only one 01:10:40.580 --> 01:10:45.580 that I'm familiar with is called Pacer, P-A-C-E-R, and if you do a Google search, you should find 01:10:45.580 --> 01:10:55.300 it, but it's pacer.psc.uscourts.gov, but just do a Google search for Pacer and Courts or Pacer 01:10:55.300 --> 01:11:00.000 and legal or something like that, and you'll find it, and this is the one that I use to 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:04.420 look up information about Decoder's case, and Decoder confirmed that, yes, that Pacer 01:11:04.420 --> 01:11:09.580 was the one that he knew about as well. So you go on there. They do charge you, I think, 01:11:09.700 --> 01:11:13.300 I don't think it was very much, maybe 10 cents a page or something like that to download, 01:11:13.860 --> 01:11:18.140 so you can do a search and find what you want. The person's name usually is what it's filed 01:11:18.140 --> 01:11:21.900 under if you don't know the docket number, case number, whatever, but you should be able 01:11:21.900 --> 01:11:26.700 to get it. Now, they don't always put stuff on immediately, so, I mean, if he has a court 01:11:26.700 --> 01:11:30.900 case in the morning, don't expect it to be there that night or possibly even that week, 01:11:31.340 --> 01:11:36.600 but if you keep watching and keep searching for it, you can find it there. If you really, 01:11:36.780 --> 01:11:41.420 really need the information, you know, contact a lawyer. Now, they're almost definitely going 01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:45.800 to charge you, but they have full access to everything, and maybe they'll, hey, maybe 01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:49.040 you get lucky, maybe they'll only charge you copying costs or access costs or something 01:11:49.040 --> 01:11:51.160 like that, who knows? So it depends on how bad you want it. 01:11:51.900 --> 01:11:56.880 Uh, let's see, what else do we have in here? Um, I don't have too much time because we 01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.100 had such a long main topic tonight, so I'm going to skip through a couple of these short 01:12:00.100 --> 01:12:04.680 emails. Oh, here's a, here's, here's one of our good friends here from the moderating 01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:08.800 team. We got an email from Booter. Booter's our home, our home dog. 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:10.920 Did Booter ask how to hack? 01:12:11.080 --> 01:12:16.760 A fellow, a fellow redneck. Um, no, not exactly how to hack. Actually, he, he, uh, sent an email 01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:21.060 following up on a conversation from a previous episode, and let me just read it. I guess 01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:29.320 it says, referring back to you and Rax's conversation on episode 151 about Moore's law, which is of 01:12:29.320 --> 01:12:33.660 course that computing power is doubling every 18 months, is that what it is? Uh, there's 01:12:33.660 --> 01:12:37.700 a company out there claiming, and Rax and I were talking about disk space more to the 01:12:37.700 --> 01:12:45.020 point. Um, there's a company out there claiming that they will have 1.2 petabyte drives in four 01:12:45.020 --> 01:12:51.140 to five years for only about $750. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they can pull 01:12:51.140 --> 01:12:55.960 it off, but although you could store all the prawn in the world, who feels like waiting 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.520 two to five years for a fucking defrag? 01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:05.900 So, Booter, thank you for the email, but listen, I gotta say this. Droops, I don't know how, 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.520 I don't know how you feel about this. I don't know if I'm, I'm alone on this one, but I'm 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:15.960 just gonna come out and say, nobody loves prawn more than me. I, I like prawn as much as the 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:22.980 next guy. Don't get me wrong, right? But I've never, I've never really been one to stash 01:13:22.980 --> 01:13:27.580 porn, like store a bunch of porn locally on a drive in any kind of quantity. I've never 01:13:27.580 --> 01:13:35.160 really felt the need for that, because, I mean, I can't even think of any prawn whatsoever 01:13:35.160 --> 01:13:40.060 that I have, I mean, other than those movies that you and I made. But other, like, any downloaded 01:13:40.060 --> 01:13:45.620 movies or downloaded prawn, I can't think of any of it. You know, just our personal stuff, 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:46.320 but I digress. 01:13:47.280 --> 01:13:48.800 Did you put that personal stuff up on YouTube? 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:53.580 Um, well, I've been meaning to. Maybe by the time the show airs, it'll be out 01:13:53.580 --> 01:13:58.040 there. Um, but, you know, there's that, there's whatabigcock.com. 01:13:59.080 --> 01:13:59.400 Yes. 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.300 That one's out there. But other than that, no, I don't think we put anything else 01:14:02.300 --> 01:14:06.600 out. Um, and here, and let me tell you why I say that. Here's my thought process, so 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:12.100 tell me what you think about this, Troops. My thought is that the internet is full of 01:14:12.100 --> 01:14:18.260 fucking prawn! I can't go anywhere to any website without stepping in prawn. 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:25.260 Getting bukkake stuck to my shoe everywhere I go. So I really don't feel the need to stash 01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:31.360 uh, 1.2 petabytes of prawn. Of course, I'm joking. I know Buddha was joking, too. But 01:14:31.360 --> 01:14:33.980 do you have a prawn stash, Troops? Be honest. 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.160 Well, I used to have quite a prawn stash. 01:14:38.740 --> 01:14:39.140 But? 01:14:39.140 --> 01:14:45.700 Because, because sometimes you, maybe you're away from your internet, and you need some 01:14:45.700 --> 01:14:49.020 peran on your laptop. You know, for perusal. 01:14:51.460 --> 01:14:51.860 Okay. 01:14:52.080 --> 01:14:56.400 But, I'm not very good at this whole computer thing, and my wife kept finding it, so I don't 01:14:56.400 --> 01:14:57.240 have it anymore. 01:14:57.240 --> 01:15:01.620 Oh, that's the greatest story ever. 01:15:03.620 --> 01:15:08.460 Well, I just, I mean, okay, I guess, see, I just can't even picture not having internet 01:15:08.460 --> 01:15:16.420 access anymore. It's 2006. Between war driving and free access, free wifi, and my cell phone 01:15:16.420 --> 01:15:18.080 PDA, I have access always. 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:20.280 What if you're on a long road trip? You need a little porn. 01:15:20.620 --> 01:15:24.820 Well, what, you act like they don't still make Playboy or something. Buy a freaking magazine. 01:15:25.120 --> 01:15:26.620 It's hard to drive and hold the magazine. 01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:27.540 You know. 01:15:27.660 --> 01:15:30.060 But driving and looking at the laptop is much safer. 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:33.640 Well, I have the truck computer, so I can just put it on the little screen. 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:40.460 Oh, oh, God. That's a Hack TV video waiting to happen. That's like, Hack TV really, really 01:15:40.460 --> 01:15:41.620 way underground. 01:15:42.540 --> 01:15:43.920 Do you mind if I tell a story? 01:15:44.320 --> 01:15:47.280 Go for it. Hack TV Prawn. That's going to be our new series. 01:15:48.080 --> 01:15:50.220 On the way back from, uh, InterZone. 01:15:50.420 --> 01:15:55.220 Oh, God. Is this going to be a not safe for work story, like, really bad? 01:15:55.900 --> 01:15:56.620 No, no, no, no. 01:15:56.620 --> 01:15:57.360 Oh, okay. Go ahead. 01:15:58.040 --> 01:16:01.480 On the way back from InterZone, we're driving in our, uh, our T-Bird. 01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:05.780 I'm already laughing, and I don't know the story. That's, that's... 01:16:05.780 --> 01:16:10.800 If you're familiar with it, the T-Bird is really hard to see out of, because it's built 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.020 to be written around without a top on it. When you put the top on it, it's hard to see. 01:16:14.280 --> 01:16:14.600 Okay. 01:16:15.120 --> 01:16:18.000 So there's not really, like, a lot of viewing space from outside of the vehicle. 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:22.220 And we're bored, and we've watched all the movies we've brought, but I brought a relationship 01:16:22.220 --> 01:16:27.860 video that was very graphic with us. And we decided to watch this. 01:16:28.120 --> 01:16:32.300 Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, hold. A relationship video? What, like, like, Kama Sutra, kind of 01:16:32.300 --> 01:16:34.140 like, how to make better love or something? 01:16:34.420 --> 01:16:34.760 Yes. 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:38.640 Oh, no! Okay, continue. 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:43.680 So we're, so we're driving along, and we notice these, uh, rednecks are beside us. 01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:46.980 We being, wait a minute, we being... 01:16:46.980 --> 01:16:48.460 Who came with me to InterZone? 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:51.000 Okay. 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:52.560 This is Droops. 01:16:52.820 --> 01:16:56.420 Right. I'm trying to clarify, I'm trying to clarify to the listeners, because they think 01:16:56.420 --> 01:16:57.500 it's me and you right now. 01:16:57.500 --> 01:17:04.100 Okay, I'm sorry. So, my wife and I are enjoying a nice relationship video, and these rednecks 01:17:04.100 --> 01:17:08.600 pull up beside us, and they're honking the horn, and, you know, waving their beers, and 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:13.340 having a good time. You know, looking, watching our relationship video. 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:14.280 Right. 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:18.600 So, so I put the hammer down, blow past those guys. 01:17:19.100 --> 01:17:19.560 Mm-hmm. 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:23.140 Because I have a rule, I only get one speeding ticket per road trip, and I'd already gotten 01:17:23.140 --> 01:17:24.000 one, so... 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:24.380 Okay. 01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:25.320 It wasn't going to happen again. 01:17:25.980 --> 01:17:26.360 Gotcha. 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.660 So, so we're driving along, and I'm pretty engrossed in the video. 01:17:31.900 --> 01:17:34.700 And this trucker cuts me off, and I'm like, mother! 01:17:35.660 --> 01:17:38.360 So, uh, I noticed they were boxed in by truckers. 01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:42.000 And I said, oh my God, they're probably watching the video. 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:46.840 And I don't know how they can see it from where they were, but they, they have a very 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.960 good vantage point from, in those trucks, and they can see everything. 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:51.420 You've got to be kidding. 01:17:52.420 --> 01:17:52.620 No. 01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:56.540 Well, like, the clothes were still on, it's just the video, the clothes were off. 01:17:57.580 --> 01:17:57.860 Hmm. 01:17:58.420 --> 01:18:01.560 So, I pull out my scanner, turn it on. 01:18:01.620 --> 01:18:04.780 I was going to say, that's when you, like, that's when it's nice to have a good old-fashioned 01:18:04.780 --> 01:18:05.500 CB radio. 01:18:06.360 --> 01:18:06.920 This is true. 01:18:07.020 --> 01:18:10.720 So, I didn't have a CB, I had my scanner, so I was listening to the truckers, and sure enough, 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:11.500 they had locked us in. 01:18:12.440 --> 01:18:16.060 Suddenly, I lit up my scanner, and I held it out the window, so they would see that 01:18:16.060 --> 01:18:17.120 we were listening to them. 01:18:17.440 --> 01:18:17.840 Right. 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.020 And, uh, they thought that was hilarious. 01:18:21.360 --> 01:18:22.300 That is hilarious. 01:18:22.300 --> 01:18:25.200 That's the greatest story ever told on BinRev Radio. 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:26.680 Well, I'm not done with it. 01:18:26.780 --> 01:18:27.340 Oh, no! 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:28.140 It gets better? 01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:31.960 In Mississippi, your county is written on your license plate. 01:18:32.320 --> 01:18:32.680 Right. 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.720 So, they knew that we were from whatever county, Mississippi. 01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:36.800 Right. 01:18:38.060 --> 01:18:42.380 So, they start talking, and asking us questions, and what's happened to break light to answer? 01:18:45.440 --> 01:18:47.520 Okay, we just got into Georgia. 01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:48.280 Right. 01:18:48.280 --> 01:18:49.740 We had gone to look around some stuff. 01:18:50.500 --> 01:18:54.620 So, they were going to Tupelo, which is not very far from where I live. 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:57.360 In fact, we took the same exit they did. 01:18:57.360 --> 01:19:02.060 And, they were like, you know, they wanted to watch the video, because they were bored. 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:06.680 And, we got to talking, and, because it's very easy to communicate with just the taps. 01:19:06.740 --> 01:19:08.880 Like, they would ask a question, and they'd say, are you from here? 01:19:09.400 --> 01:19:10.220 And, you wouldn't tap. 01:19:10.260 --> 01:19:11.780 And, they'd say, from here, from here, from here. 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:13.440 And, so, they got to where it was right, and we tapped. 01:19:13.780 --> 01:19:15.320 And, we had a nice little conversation with them. 01:19:16.100 --> 01:19:19.120 Well, they said, hey, you know, we're going to Tupelo. 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:20.640 You'll stay with us. 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:24.040 You'll make it through, you know, the whole way, real fast, real safe. 01:19:24.780 --> 01:19:25.700 So, we said, okay. 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.040 Well, that was like Smokey and the motherfucking Bandit. 01:19:29.040 --> 01:19:34.360 There was about nine or ten 18-wheelers going to Tupelo, and we were in a convoy with them. 01:19:37.060 --> 01:19:39.560 And, we positioned the laptop so they could see it better. 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:50.240 They're watching porn in another moving vehicle next to them on a road trip convoy of 18-wheeled trucks. 01:19:52.240 --> 01:19:54.900 How did you, all right, wait, is this a real story? 01:19:54.980 --> 01:19:55.760 Are you fucking with me? 01:19:55.780 --> 01:19:57.200 This is a completely real story. 01:19:57.200 --> 01:20:01.140 I can't believe that, how did you never tell me this story before, like, off the air? 01:20:01.200 --> 01:20:04.440 Like, I can't believe that this, you'd have a story like this that you held back. 01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:06.860 I haven't held it back for many people. 01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:08.500 Oh, man. 01:20:09.540 --> 01:20:12.980 So, anyway, they do their business, and they watch us. 01:20:13.660 --> 01:20:14.480 And, like, stay there. 01:20:14.480 --> 01:20:16.060 Wait a minute, what do you mean they do their business? 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:20.720 Their business of blocking for us. 01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:21.780 Oh, okay. 01:20:22.700 --> 01:20:23.520 You've got to be careful. 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:28.600 So, you know how you'll pull up, and, like, two 18-wheelers will be drag racing at 10 miles below the speed limit? 01:20:28.780 --> 01:20:29.100 Right. 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.660 They would tell those guys to get the fuck out of the way. 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:32.280 Mm-hmm. 01:20:32.860 --> 01:20:34.220 So that we could truck on through. 01:20:34.220 --> 01:20:40.320 And we sped like bitches through the construction zone that I got my ticket in previously. 01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:46.040 And in Birmingham, you have to get off the main road and kind of go through town, and they couldn't really make all the lights. 01:20:46.140 --> 01:20:46.880 There were so many trucks. 01:20:47.220 --> 01:20:47.480 Right. 01:20:47.580 --> 01:20:49.660 So we kept having to pull off on the side of the road and wait on them. 01:20:50.780 --> 01:20:52.340 But we trucked on through with them. 01:20:53.160 --> 01:20:53.920 It was a good time. 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.760 So Prawn and CB radio is actually a really good thing to have on road trips. 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:00.140 Is that the moral of the story? 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:01.800 That's the moral of the story. 01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:06.240 Wow, that was like a show-and-tell segment, which we don't officially do. 01:21:06.860 --> 01:21:08.060 But that was a good story. 01:21:08.240 --> 01:21:10.420 That was pretty good stuff. 01:21:11.080 --> 01:21:18.000 Now, if I'd have had a Pentabyte drive in my truck computer and, like, a nice 30-inch display behind the truck. 01:21:19.020 --> 01:21:21.120 Well, see, that's what you've got to do next time you go to a conference. 01:21:21.200 --> 01:21:26.660 You've got to actually set up a big widescreen HD in the back window so you can get the convoy going again. 01:21:28.100 --> 01:21:29.660 And then we'll just get the convoy going. 01:21:30.040 --> 01:21:30.400 Exactly. 01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:31.860 Actually, it sounds like a plan. 01:21:33.060 --> 01:21:36.100 Well, anyway, back to this email. 01:21:38.040 --> 01:21:39.480 The whole Prawn thing. 01:21:39.580 --> 01:21:44.140 Again, hey, buy a magazine, you know, or take the video with you, a DVD or whatever. 01:21:44.280 --> 01:21:46.800 But I've never been without Internet access. 01:21:46.940 --> 01:21:48.600 Like, if I want it bad enough, I'll find it. 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:49.620 And it's not that difficult. 01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:50.440 We all know that. 01:21:50.440 --> 01:21:58.720 So, to me, Prawn is, I can't think of it as a non-renewable resource. 01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:01.180 It's out there everywhere, and it's... 01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:01.900 Well, see, you're not financially stable. 01:22:02.160 --> 01:22:03.520 Let's take a guy that isn't. 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.160 War driving is free. 01:22:05.420 --> 01:22:07.660 The bills, though, the money to pay for his Internet the next month. 01:22:08.060 --> 01:22:11.380 And when you have no Internet, there's nothing else to do but looking for it. 01:22:11.480 --> 01:22:12.160 War driving. 01:22:13.900 --> 01:22:15.020 What if they don't have a laptop? 01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:16.800 You're not putting a Pentabyte drive... 01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:18.280 Well, then what are they putting their porn on? 01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:20.640 Like, they have Internet one month. 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:21.780 The next month, they can't pay the bill. 01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:22.820 There's free dial-up. 01:22:23.240 --> 01:22:24.240 There's free dial-up. 01:22:24.580 --> 01:22:25.280 I don't want to hear this. 01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:26.220 You're making up excuses. 01:22:26.980 --> 01:22:28.720 Prawn on dial-up is misery. 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:29.540 Remember that, Stinky? 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:30.380 Remember back in the day? 01:22:30.400 --> 01:22:31.560 Hey, it doesn't have to be video. 01:22:32.900 --> 01:22:34.000 Images still suck. 01:22:34.420 --> 01:22:35.240 Well, whatever. 01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:38.440 All I'm saying is, it's not gas. 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:38.920 It's porn. 01:22:38.980 --> 01:22:39.480 It's renewable. 01:22:39.780 --> 01:22:41.740 It's not a non-renewable resource like gasoline. 01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:44.980 I'm just saying, I like to keep the ones I like. 01:22:48.280 --> 01:22:50.200 You've never met a prawn you didn't like. 01:22:52.240 --> 01:22:52.640 Yes. 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:53.280 Anyway. 01:22:55.620 --> 01:22:56.280 All right. 01:22:56.320 --> 01:22:56.740 Let's see. 01:22:57.000 --> 01:22:57.620 Let's do... 01:22:57.620 --> 01:22:59.560 We can do at least one more email here real quick. 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:03.920 Next email comes from Digital Galileo, who says, 01:23:04.100 --> 01:23:06.380 First off, I love the show and keep up the good work. 01:23:06.780 --> 01:23:09.060 Regarding recording on the iPod... 01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:09.920 Okay, here we go. 01:23:10.400 --> 01:23:12.260 I asked about recording on the iPod. 01:23:12.260 --> 01:23:13.740 Droops, maybe you can back me up on this. 01:23:14.060 --> 01:23:16.400 All I had was a simple fucking question. 01:23:16.400 --> 01:23:21.580 Can you record voice on an iPod? 01:23:21.700 --> 01:23:22.860 I don't care about modification. 01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:24.380 I don't care about iPod Linux. 01:23:24.480 --> 01:23:26.100 I don't care about buying a third-party app. 01:23:26.420 --> 01:23:28.540 Can you buy an iPod from the Apple store, 01:23:28.860 --> 01:23:30.260 walk out, take it out of the box, 01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:32.480 put batteries in it, and record your voice? 01:23:32.660 --> 01:23:34.540 And finally, somebody says, 01:23:35.080 --> 01:23:39.460 Digital Galileo, you can record on an unmodified iPod, 01:23:39.700 --> 01:23:41.240 but at very low quality. 01:23:41.660 --> 01:23:43.480 iPod Linux has a recording function 01:23:43.480 --> 01:23:45.800 that allows you to record at a much higher bit rate. 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:46.840 There, that's it. 01:23:46.860 --> 01:23:48.460 There's no microphone in an iPod. 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:51.080 Is there a microphone jack? 01:23:51.120 --> 01:23:52.640 If you have Linux on there, it still doesn't matter. 01:23:52.820 --> 01:23:53.880 You still have to have a microphone. 01:23:54.340 --> 01:23:55.720 But is there a microphone jack? 01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:57.160 No. 01:23:57.740 --> 01:23:59.100 Well, then how do you record your voice? 01:23:59.440 --> 01:24:02.600 You can buy a little Belkin Mix 1 that I have 01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:05.020 that has a microphone that'll plug into your iPod. 01:24:05.180 --> 01:24:06.820 That's what I said, so there's a microphone jack 01:24:06.820 --> 01:24:08.640 to plug in a microphone. 01:24:09.120 --> 01:24:10.660 It's not a normal jack. 01:24:10.660 --> 01:24:14.540 It's some kind of proprietary thing? 01:24:15.180 --> 01:24:15.540 Yes. 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:16.060 Oh, how? 01:24:16.180 --> 01:24:17.100 That is so Apple. 01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:18.540 That is so Apple. 01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:20.040 Fuck. 01:24:22.420 --> 01:24:24.860 Anyway, but it can be done without a weird modification. 01:24:25.160 --> 01:24:26.060 It's just having the hardware. 01:24:26.860 --> 01:24:27.160 Yes. 01:24:27.320 --> 01:24:30.380 And iPod Linux, like Apple limits how you, 01:24:30.540 --> 01:24:31.800 the quality of the recording, 01:24:32.300 --> 01:24:33.240 but with the iPod Linux, 01:24:33.340 --> 01:24:34.820 you can change that to whatever you want. 01:24:35.240 --> 01:24:36.280 Right, which is what he's saying. 01:24:36.360 --> 01:24:36.980 Which is, that's it. 01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:37.180 Yeah. 01:24:37.460 --> 01:24:38.880 Straight answer, simple question, 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:39.800 two episodes ago. 01:24:40.060 --> 01:24:41.860 Was that so fucking hard to get an answer? 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:42.480 Why was that? 01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:43.840 Ugh. 01:24:44.020 --> 01:24:44.780 Anyway, whatever. 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:46.500 Thank you, Digital Galileo, for that. 01:24:47.160 --> 01:24:47.780 You're wrong, man. 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:48.200 Yep. 01:24:48.980 --> 01:24:49.800 All right, well, Drew, 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.240 help me close out the show. 01:24:51.280 --> 01:24:51.640 What do you say? 01:24:52.420 --> 01:24:52.980 All right, buddy. 01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:55.740 I'll go ahead and give some shouts. 01:24:56.100 --> 01:24:58.460 Shouts to, let's see, to Viatti, 01:24:58.460 --> 01:24:59.680 I hope I'm pronouncing that right, 01:24:59.780 --> 01:25:00.280 and Willikin. 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:02.160 Both of them sent in some email, 01:25:02.360 --> 01:25:03.380 so thank you for those. 01:25:03.380 --> 01:25:06.140 And to our first guest, Seal, 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.340 which leads into the site of the week, 01:25:08.440 --> 01:25:11.400 which is piracydocumentary.com. 01:25:11.820 --> 01:25:12.840 Now, Drew, did you have any shouts? 01:25:13.480 --> 01:25:14.580 I have two, actually. 01:25:14.820 --> 01:25:16.640 One shout out to the people at CarolinaCon, 01:25:17.060 --> 01:25:19.080 who's awesome meeting Telco Bob and all the crew. 01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:20.040 Yeah, I forgot. 01:25:20.180 --> 01:25:21.280 You know, we don't have time to do that. 01:25:21.860 --> 01:25:24.240 Next episode, we're going to do some CarolinaCon talk. 01:25:24.980 --> 01:25:27.000 Anyway, so thank you to all you guys for putting that on. 01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:29.020 And the second one is to Decoder, 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:30.860 because talking about that abacus 01:25:30.860 --> 01:25:33.420 was the funniest fucking thing I've heard in a long time. 01:25:33.620 --> 01:25:35.300 Decoder's so freaking funny. 01:25:36.120 --> 01:25:37.840 Yeah, I liked slipping that in there. 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:38.840 That was pretty fun stuff. 01:25:39.580 --> 01:25:40.600 All right, so, yeah, 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:42.560 piracydocumentary.com, site of the week. 01:25:42.980 --> 01:25:45.220 Email us, radio at binrev.com. 01:25:46.160 --> 01:25:47.640 Our closing music this week, 01:25:47.700 --> 01:25:49.380 this is actually one of my favorite songs, 01:25:49.540 --> 01:25:52.040 and one of the best songs I've heard in a long time. 01:25:52.160 --> 01:25:53.360 It's from, the group is called 01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:55.100 Futuristic Sex Robots, 01:25:55.100 --> 01:25:57.960 and the track is called Snakes on a Plane. 01:25:58.640 --> 01:25:59.840 For those of you who don't know, 01:25:59.940 --> 01:26:01.840 from the upcoming Snakes on a Plane movie, 01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:03.800 this is a song that they submitted 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:05.560 hoping that it would make it to the soundtrack, 01:26:05.820 --> 01:26:07.860 and I don't think their decision's been made yet, 01:26:07.900 --> 01:26:08.620 but I hope it does, 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:09.420 because it's awesome. 01:26:10.040 --> 01:26:11.040 So enjoy that, 01:26:11.460 --> 01:26:13.100 and go Brazil! 01:26:13.740 --> 01:26:15.120 World Cup fever, baby! 01:26:15.200 --> 01:26:16.480 Brazil's going to take it all! 01:26:16.480 --> 01:26:19.480 And that's going to be it, 01:26:19.620 --> 01:26:20.540 so, droops, 01:26:21.200 --> 01:26:24.100 I will make sure we have some time next week 01:26:24.100 --> 01:26:26.380 for CarolinaCon discussion, 01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:27.620 which has been in the forums, 01:26:27.740 --> 01:26:29.560 and something we need to spend some time on, 01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:30.360 but until then, 01:26:30.940 --> 01:26:33.240 we'll tell everybody that we will see them next week. 01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:35.240 Same hack time! 01:26:36.060 --> 01:26:37.440 Same hack channel! 01:26:37.440 --> 01:26:51.080 I was flying on a plane to California 01:26:51.080 --> 01:26:54.260 When I met this guy whose name was Sammy J 01:26:54.260 --> 01:26:57.320 Got a gin and tonic, sapphire bomb base 01:26:57.320 --> 01:26:59.960 Sammy said I prefer number 10 hickory 01:26:59.960 --> 01:27:02.840 After a few, he looks me right in the eye 01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:05.380 Keep it on the DL, I'm with the FBI 01:27:05.380 --> 01:27:08.240 I'm on this plane to escort this guy 01:27:08.240 --> 01:27:11.200 He could take down the mafia if he testifies 01:27:11.200 --> 01:27:14.000 And then I felt safe, like nothing could go wrong 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.800 Oh shit, there's a snake coming out that bitch's thong 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.400 I remember the time Nas spoke to me 01:27:19.400 --> 01:27:22.260 He said life's a beat, and damn you deep 01:27:22.260 --> 01:27:25.020 I'm down on my drink, getting ready to die 01:27:25.020 --> 01:27:27.660 But Sammy J stands up and says not tonight 01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:29.200 I got a job to do 01:27:29.200 --> 01:27:30.580 Enough is enough 01:27:30.580 --> 01:27:33.340 I've had it with these motherfucking snakes and stuff 01:27:33.340 --> 01:27:34.940 Gonna get this guy to court 01:27:34.940 --> 01:27:36.160 Safe and sane 01:27:36.160 --> 01:27:39.000 I want these motherfucking snakes off this motherfucking plane 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.120 At this point I passed out after I'm being full of Xanax 01:27:42.120 --> 01:27:44.760 And when I woke up, we were safe in LAX 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:47.320 Snake was on the plane 01:27:47.320 --> 01:27:49.620 We got snakes up on a plane 01:27:49.620 --> 01:27:52.880 Snake was on a plane 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:53.880 We got snakes 01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:56.080 Snakes on a motherfucking plane 01:27:56.080 --> 01:28:09.600 I went to the bathroom to make us think 01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.600 When this motherfucking snake came up through the sink 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.140 I'm gonna fight to hell, no time to think 01:28:15.140 --> 01:28:18.180 Gotta get to the cart and have another drink 01:28:18.180 --> 01:28:20.980 I'm taking every tube and inside every pipe 01:28:20.980 --> 01:28:23.600 How could this be the end of my life? 01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:26.160 If airport security has let me bring a knife 01:28:26.160 --> 01:28:28.160 I could make it home alive to my best friend's wife 01:28:28.160 --> 01:28:29.340 My best friend's wife 01:28:29.340 --> 01:28:31.380 They're coming up through the floor 01:28:31.380 --> 01:28:34.760 I got bit on my hand and I'm feeling sore 01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:37.620 Unhinged to try to take in my head 01:28:37.620 --> 01:28:40.600 I whispered it was Jennifer Connelly instead 01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.120 Snake was on the plane 01:28:43.120 --> 01:28:45.420 We got snakes up on a plane 01:28:45.420 --> 01:28:48.720 Snake was on a plane 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:49.680 We got snakes 01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.840 Snake's on a motherfucking plane 01:28:51.840 --> 01:29:05.660 What if your dick was as big as the ocean? 01:29:05.660 --> 01:29:08.540 It'd be the only snake not encroaching 01:29:08.540 --> 01:29:11.280 On your seat when you get them free nuts 01:29:11.280 --> 01:29:14.080 Anacondas chomping, all the fly butts 01:29:14.080 --> 01:29:16.700 When I looked around, wish I'd taken the train 01:29:16.700 --> 01:29:19.600 There were snakes all over the motherfucking plane 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:22.460 Or better yet, snakes in your brain 01:29:22.460 --> 01:29:25.180 Puts be racing like it's smoking cocaine 01:29:25.180 --> 01:29:26.620 Plane stacked with snakes 01:29:26.620 --> 01:29:27.980 The flight's non-stop 01:29:27.980 --> 01:29:30.760 I got more butts than a cigarette shop 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.460 Just another day on the TWA 01:29:33.460 --> 01:29:34.980 Sucking out prison 01:29:34.980 --> 01:29:36.400 Don't say that I'm gay 01:29:36.400 --> 01:29:38.940 Snake was on a plane 01:29:38.940 --> 01:29:41.280 We got snakes up on a plane 01:29:41.280 --> 01:29:44.540 Snake was on a plane 01:29:44.540 --> 01:29:45.500 We got snakes 01:29:45.500 --> 01:29:47.700 Snakes on a motherfucking plane 01:29:47.700 --> 01:30:00.060 Hop on the plane 01:30:00.060 --> 01:30:01.500 Flight 121 01:30:01.500 --> 01:30:04.280 Get my big ass to the robot show, son 01:30:04.280 --> 01:30:07.080 Find my seat, first class, settle in 01:30:07.080 --> 01:30:09.860 Somewhere to swingin' like she knows recycle bin 01:30:09.860 --> 01:30:12.720 Bring a double rum and meet me in the can 01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:15.640 Yo, Coax, hurry up with that shit, man 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:18.280 This is finest bitch, I'm a dude in the booth 01:30:18.280 --> 01:30:21.220 Get up in that shit like a ninja pussy's hoot 01:30:21.220 --> 01:30:23.920 Work that shit hard, leave a bitch screamin' 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.680 Little did I know there's a grip of snakes steamin' 01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:29.440 Fuck a bitter in the ass, man, that's whack 01:30:29.440 --> 01:30:32.500 Left the ground to playa, now I'm a necrophiliac 01:30:32.500 --> 01:30:34.740 Snake was on the plane 01:30:34.740 --> 01:30:37.060 We got snakes up on a plane 01:30:37.060 --> 01:30:39.100 Snake what? 01:30:39.480 --> 01:30:40.280 On a plane 01:30:40.280 --> 01:30:41.400 We got snakes 01:30:41.400 --> 01:30:43.440 Snakes on a motherfucking plane 01:30:43.440 --> 01:30:44.660 Snake what? 01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:45.940 On the plane 01:30:45.940 --> 01:30:48.100 We got snakes up on a plane 01:30:48.100 --> 01:30:50.340 Snake what? 01:30:50.580 --> 01:30:51.440 On a plane 01:30:51.440 --> 01:30:52.500 We got snakes 01:30:52.500 --> 01:30:54.600 Snakes on a motherfucking plane 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:55.600 Blame! 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.600 Blame! 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:13.600 Blame! 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:15.600 Blame! 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:17.600 Blame! 01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:23.600 Blame! 01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:26.600 Blame! 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:27.600 Blame! 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:29.600 Blame!