WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.760 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:20.780 and a fag pwned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in 00:20.780 --> 00:26.440 my six-fold, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:26.440 --> 00:31.740 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and 00:31.740 --> 00:37.240 I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through 00:37.240 --> 00:42.680 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:42.680 --> 00:48.940 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:48.940 --> 00:53.460 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:53.460 --> 00:58.040 your phones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves your fight on 00:58.040 --> 01:03.100 your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and 01:03.100 --> 01:09.460 crack, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, 01:10.120 --> 01:17.240 RANS, SIFS, SIFS, this is dedicated to the hackers and crack, penis, welcome to Binary Revolution 01:17.240 --> 01:23.460 Radio episode number 155, I am StankDawg and joining me this week on this Independence Day 01:23.460 --> 01:33.020 episode of Binary Revolution Radio is the one, the only, droops on the phone with us, penis, 01:33.460 --> 01:41.100 welcome to the next to the last episode of season 3 of Binary Revolution Radio, episode 01:41.100 --> 01:49.120 155, 156, will be, if my math is right here, will be the last episode of season 3, 52 weeks 01:49.120 --> 01:55.220 in a year, times 3, so I think that should work out right, even my country math will come close 01:55.220 --> 02:02.060 anyway, you just gotta add the twos, I'm not sure what we're gonna do, quite honestly, and some 02:02.060 --> 02:07.180 people read the forums and will also know that we're gonna be doing the first episode of season 4, 02:07.180 --> 02:11.580 kind of left a little teaser here the last couple episodes about that, there will be at least an 02:11.580 --> 02:18.100 episode 1 of season 4, how's that for a teaser, and we will be presenting that first episode of 02:18.100 --> 02:24.780 season 4 in front of a live studio audience at Hope No. 6 in New York City later this month, so 02:24.780 --> 02:33.840 the timing is a little bit off, admittedly, so we're going to do 155 today, and it really is July 4th, 02:33.840 --> 02:40.420 we're cutting this awfully close, and next week will be 156, and we're gonna have a week where 02:40.420 --> 02:44.140 we're gonna have to figure out what we're going to do, we purposely put it off an extra week to 02:44.140 --> 02:52.640 coincide with Hope, so maybe we'll do episode 2 of season 4 before we do episode 1 of season 4 at Hope, 02:53.740 --> 02:58.720 I don't know what we're gonna do, maybe we'll just play some porn music for the entire hour next, 02:58.720 --> 03:04.540 in that week, you could just play like stupid telephone recordings, yeah, hasn't that been done 03:04.540 --> 03:10.100 to death, maybe we'll revive Freak Factor, oh no, damn it, did I say that out loud, crap, 03:10.720 --> 03:16.100 alright, people are gonna be on me about that one, anyway, so this episode we're gonna record, 03:16.380 --> 03:22.140 I don't know what kind of facilities they're gonna give us at Hope, if they're gonna be able to 03:22.140 --> 03:26.280 provide us with the recording of this so that we can stream it directly after, but we are planning 03:26.280 --> 03:30.580 on streaming it in our regular Tuesday time slot, for those of you who can't make it to 03:30.580 --> 03:37.560 New York City for the 6th Hope, or Hope number 6, or 666, whatever it's called, um, for those 03:37.560 --> 03:41.680 of you who can't make it, we're gonna try to air it in our regular Tuesday time slot, the 03:41.680 --> 03:48.720 two days delayed live in front of a studio audience episode, so hopefully we can get the recording 03:48.720 --> 03:53.340 from them quickly enough to do that, otherwise, I don't know what we're gonna do there either, 03:53.340 --> 04:02.820 so, penis, penis, alright, so this week, however, we are going to move on with the July 4th Independence 04:02.820 --> 04:08.960 Day special, Droops and I, along with some other special guests, um, can we call it the July 4th 04:08.960 --> 04:15.520 celebration? Um, we can, sure, we can celebrate, sweet, because I'm celebrating myself, I know you 04:15.520 --> 04:21.440 are, why don't you tell the audience exactly how you're celebrating? Well, I am, uh, in a place 04:21.440 --> 04:26.420 where there is no interweb, and there's no cell phone service, and when I say no interweb, 04:26.480 --> 04:32.160 I mean, none other than that dial-up crap. Uh-huh. And I'm, uh, drinking. 04:32.540 --> 04:38.300 Ha-ha, right, there, there's, there's the party. There's the party. Well, uh, actually, that is 04:38.300 --> 04:44.360 very appropriate for this episode of the show, because being Independence Day, I thought that 04:44.360 --> 04:49.040 it might be a good topic to talk about today, Independence from Technology. 04:49.700 --> 04:50.100 Ooh. 04:50.440 --> 04:54.020 Well, and, yeah, I know, on a hacking show, Independence from Technology. 04:54.120 --> 04:55.360 That's not the topic you told me we were talking about. 04:56.000 --> 04:56.440 Penis? 04:57.740 --> 04:58.140 Yeah. 04:58.420 --> 05:00.300 Oh, yeah, I changed my mind at the last minute. 05:01.120 --> 05:03.160 No, I think that's the topic you wanted to talk about. 05:03.960 --> 05:07.200 Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, like them big, big, and juicy. 05:07.460 --> 05:08.800 Ha-ha-ha-ha, man. 05:08.800 --> 05:24.040 All right. Well, let's start raising property values again, shall we? Let's see. Yeah, a hacking show talking about independence from technology. It seems kind of – what's the word there? Not correct. They don't seem to go together. 05:24.040 --> 05:41.540 So, yes and no. We're going to talk about just not having all your eggs in one basket. The old saying, the old cliche goes, not having too much dependence on any one technology or one thing or one form of connectivity, et cetera, et cetera. 05:41.540 --> 05:53.900 There's a whole lot more than just the global interweb and your cable modem, and a lot of people are sitting at home right now, and they really think that that's the greatest thing in the world, but what happens when you lose that? 05:53.900 --> 06:11.440 So we're going to talk about some things along those lines for this episode and talk about alternative forms of technology and how we should at least be aware of them if we don't actually have them in use as backup plans in your day-to-day hacking or non-hacking activities. 06:12.640 --> 06:23.540 So one of the first things I wanted to talk about is something Droops just kind of touched on. He's out in the sticks away from his beloved – well, you had DSL, right? 06:23.900 --> 06:24.420 Yes, sir. 06:24.420 --> 06:37.420 Yes, DSL, whereas I have the cable modem. Obviously, those are two of the more popular forms of connectivity, especially in the hacking circles where we just have to have speed. How old am I? 06:37.440 --> 06:38.600 You're like the cable modem. 06:38.860 --> 06:40.280 The cable modem? Why? 06:40.280 --> 06:42.460 It's like I have the television. 06:43.060 --> 06:44.080 Oh, well – 06:44.080 --> 06:45.940 No, no, no. It's just a cable modem. 06:46.080 --> 06:48.240 A cable modem. What did I say? The cable modem? 06:48.360 --> 06:48.760 Yes. 06:48.760 --> 06:51.020 Well, it is. It's the only one in existence. 06:51.020 --> 06:51.660 It's like the moving pictures. 06:52.060 --> 06:55.440 It's the only cable modem ever created, and I have it. 06:56.300 --> 06:56.900 Singular. 06:57.340 --> 06:59.300 They got the air conditioning over there. 06:59.640 --> 07:02.860 You can have it when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers, too. 07:03.700 --> 07:09.140 But that being said, I also have a modem. 07:09.140 --> 07:23.280 I always keep a modem around, specifically an external 56K modem, and I also have a good old-fashioned 9600-baud modem just in case I can't get connectivity to a 56K, which that, I have to admit, is pretty rare these days. 07:23.420 --> 07:27.480 Most of the phone company and most of the ISPs are at least using 56K. 07:27.480 --> 07:41.020 So, just because you have cable modem and DSL, et cetera, et cetera – and actually, this is probably a little bit off-topic, but the difference is between a cable modem and DSL, because I've had both. 07:41.960 --> 07:49.720 And quite frankly, I was happy with either one to a certain extent, but the cable modem generally gives you a little bit more bandwidth. 07:50.340 --> 07:52.240 How much bandwidth do you get on your DSL? 07:52.620 --> 07:53.260 Six down. 07:53.260 --> 07:57.560 You get six, and I get – actually, they just want mine to eight, supposedly. 07:58.200 --> 07:59.540 Of course, I don't actually get eight. 08:01.060 --> 08:02.880 Mine's usually like five and a half. 08:03.360 --> 08:04.820 Yeah, that's about what mine is, actually. 08:05.160 --> 08:06.340 So, pretty similar. 08:07.160 --> 08:13.060 The difference that really on my end that I like is the cable modem allows me to get away from the phone company, Bell South. 08:13.560 --> 08:15.580 Yes, I would really enjoy that myself. 08:15.800 --> 08:16.200 Exactly. 08:16.200 --> 08:23.280 So, to get the DSL line, you actually have to have a – you have to have phone service with the phone company to get a DSL line. 08:23.360 --> 08:24.520 You can't get DSL only. 08:24.660 --> 08:25.940 I think they didn't Quest unbundle theirs. 08:26.660 --> 08:27.160 I don't know. 08:27.300 --> 08:28.360 I'm not in Quest territory. 08:28.900 --> 08:29.620 I'm not certain. 08:29.960 --> 08:31.380 I know Bell South never will. 08:31.580 --> 08:32.060 Oh, no. 08:32.180 --> 08:32.780 Not Bell South. 08:33.140 --> 08:34.160 I hate those fuckers. 08:34.360 --> 08:34.760 Yep. 08:35.640 --> 08:39.820 We visited the Batman building down there in – where was it? 08:39.840 --> 08:40.120 Nashville? 08:40.900 --> 08:41.740 Urinated on it. 08:42.420 --> 08:43.360 Yeah, buddy. 08:43.360 --> 08:44.360 Penis. 08:45.600 --> 08:47.540 Not in it, not beside it, but just on it. 08:47.640 --> 08:48.060 On it. 08:48.220 --> 08:49.140 Like from the top? 08:49.240 --> 08:51.080 Were you like suspended by a helicopter or what? 08:51.260 --> 08:52.680 No, just from the side. 08:52.800 --> 08:53.380 Just from the side. 08:53.420 --> 08:55.240 Yeah, I think we all took turns on that one, didn't we? 08:56.240 --> 08:58.820 I think it was like a whole smorgasbord of urine. 08:58.940 --> 09:01.440 But anyway, stop lowering property values here, man. 09:01.460 --> 09:01.980 What the hell? 09:03.980 --> 09:04.880 All right. 09:05.040 --> 09:08.940 Well, there are, like I said, instances – 09:08.940 --> 09:10.600 If it's penis, it's got to be good. 09:10.760 --> 09:11.300 There you go. 09:11.300 --> 09:14.320 There are instances where your cable is going to go down. 09:14.440 --> 09:16.840 Cable is certainly not the most reliable thing in the world. 09:17.320 --> 09:19.640 And your cable goes down and your DSL goes down. 09:19.960 --> 09:21.720 A lot of people are just SOL. 09:22.500 --> 09:26.280 I mean, for those of you listening right now, do you fall into those circumstances? 09:26.460 --> 09:29.740 Do you have a backup plan to get internet access? 09:29.880 --> 09:30.800 I do, I do, I do. 09:30.820 --> 09:31.560 If it goes out? 09:31.560 --> 09:40.600 Okay, well, one form of it is a cell phone with a data plan or even without a data plan, truthfully. 09:41.300 --> 09:43.380 Now, do you have a data plan on your cell phone there, Droopy Dog? 09:43.740 --> 09:44.940 No, sir, I sure do not. 09:45.300 --> 09:45.880 Do you have it? 09:46.080 --> 09:47.280 Does your phone support it even? 09:49.820 --> 09:50.180 No. 09:50.180 --> 09:51.040 Yeah, okay. 09:51.200 --> 09:52.820 So you're a little different there. 09:53.480 --> 09:55.620 My phone still has an antenna that comes out of it. 09:57.620 --> 10:01.900 Well, so it's like – so you have one of those phones that actually still gives you cancer of the brain. 10:02.480 --> 10:04.380 Yes, I actually enjoy the cancer of the brain. 10:04.560 --> 10:05.980 It upsets the lung cancer. 10:06.100 --> 10:07.180 That's why you drink so much. 10:07.720 --> 10:08.000 Yeah. 10:08.640 --> 10:09.660 And liver cancer. 10:09.880 --> 10:11.380 Everybody thinks you're a total alcoholic. 10:11.520 --> 10:12.080 You know that, right? 10:12.720 --> 10:13.680 You know I'm not. 10:14.880 --> 10:15.780 I know you're not. 10:15.780 --> 10:18.460 This is like my eighth or ninth drink today. 10:18.860 --> 10:20.380 Oh, well, that's nothing, you know. 10:20.640 --> 10:21.640 I'm on vacation. 10:21.960 --> 10:23.000 That's normal, isn't it? 10:25.380 --> 10:26.220 Oh, man. 10:26.380 --> 10:27.500 Well – 10:27.500 --> 10:29.060 And it's not like I'm drinking hard liquor. 10:30.920 --> 10:31.980 What are you drinking? 10:32.480 --> 10:36.040 I'm drinking a mimosa, which is champagne and orange juice. 10:36.740 --> 10:36.960 Oh, me. 10:36.960 --> 10:39.020 It's pretty much the gayest drink I could find. 10:39.740 --> 10:40.140 Wow. 10:41.220 --> 10:41.960 Wow, really? 10:41.960 --> 10:45.460 Well, I'm avoiding a big segue right now, so I'm going to get back on topic. 10:45.920 --> 10:50.960 Because our audience wants to hear tech talk, not your gay drinking stories. 10:52.120 --> 10:58.920 Let's talk about – oh, I was saying about cell phones having data plan. 10:59.000 --> 11:02.620 Now, I have an unlimited data plan on my PDA phone, which I find very handy. 11:02.720 --> 11:10.620 But even if you don't, the plan I had before this, it was a phone that did not have – you know, it didn't have a whole lot of fancy features, but it did have a little web browser. 11:11.620 --> 11:17.760 And I could still browse the interweb, and I got charged per minute – or excuse me, per megabyte for downloaded stuff. 11:17.840 --> 11:29.680 So I had that option, and it was nice to always know that if there was an emergency, like I needed to get – check email or something that I was expecting from somebody and my power was out or whatever the case may be. 11:29.680 --> 11:34.220 If the cable was down, I always had that option, even if I didn't have an unlimited data plan at the time. 11:34.880 --> 11:36.300 So that is one form. 11:36.760 --> 11:39.400 Another form, obviously, is – or driving. 11:40.020 --> 11:46.320 You know, if your neighbors – if your cable may be down, your neighbors might have a DSL line that they're sharing, willingly or otherwise. 11:46.680 --> 11:50.220 Of course, if they're not willingly sharing it, we're not telling anyone to do anything, of course. 11:50.220 --> 11:55.120 But I can't say that that's not a handy thing to have available. 11:56.140 --> 11:59.360 Now, where you're at, you can't do – you don't have either one of those options, do you? 11:59.620 --> 12:00.520 I sure do not. 12:00.940 --> 12:02.640 But you do have dial-up as an option. 12:03.200 --> 12:05.660 Well, I tell you, there's something that we're not talking about. 12:05.860 --> 12:06.160 All right. 12:06.180 --> 12:06.540 What's that? 12:06.540 --> 12:16.760 And a lot of your cable providers or your DSL providers will give you a dial-up account that you're allowed to use, like, an hour a month. 12:17.340 --> 12:18.000 Right, yeah. 12:18.120 --> 12:18.780 Or for something. 12:18.980 --> 12:21.660 And for when you travel, because you're still paying for Internet. 12:22.180 --> 12:22.580 Right. 12:23.020 --> 12:27.720 And you can't use your DSL when you're in a hotel, you know, that doesn't have Internet, which is hard to find. 12:28.060 --> 12:28.460 Right. 12:28.800 --> 12:32.640 But you still have that – you know, people don't realize they have a dial-up account that they can use. 12:32.640 --> 12:37.840 Well, yeah, and a lot of people don't even realize with their DSL setup or whatever, they do create you a username and account. 12:38.000 --> 12:42.240 It's just that it's very invisible because it's that whole always-on technology. 12:42.520 --> 12:45.960 But technically, there is username and password going through there to authorize your access. 12:46.660 --> 12:49.880 So that same thing will certainly get you dial-up access. 12:51.180 --> 12:52.140 Very, very handy. 12:52.220 --> 12:53.040 That's a good point, Droopy. 12:54.000 --> 12:55.080 You need to keep drinking. 12:55.480 --> 12:56.740 You're coming up with some good stuff there. 12:57.680 --> 13:01.140 I had a choir a while back that was very concerned about that. 13:01.420 --> 13:01.700 Yeah. 13:01.700 --> 13:05.820 And I did some research into it, but I can't remember who it was any good. 13:05.900 --> 13:08.620 But the cable provider also had a dial-up account. 13:09.460 --> 13:09.580 Yeah. 13:09.720 --> 13:11.500 I know I had it with the DSL. 13:11.580 --> 13:13.220 I don't know that I have it with the cable. 13:13.340 --> 13:16.940 I don't think they have anything like that because they're not really in that business. 13:17.180 --> 13:19.060 But I digress. 13:20.000 --> 13:23.560 What about also – weren't we talking about WiMAX earlier? 13:24.060 --> 13:26.040 We certainly were talking about WiMAX. 13:26.040 --> 13:29.260 And where I am in is a big valley. 13:29.760 --> 13:30.160 Mm-hmm. 13:30.540 --> 13:32.740 I mean, it's a lake and the hills around it. 13:33.340 --> 13:33.540 Right. 13:33.540 --> 13:35.980 And you could set up WiMAX in theory. 13:36.160 --> 13:37.440 I don't think they've standardized it yet. 13:37.920 --> 13:39.560 But, like, it would serve this little area. 13:39.560 --> 13:44.580 And I had a really interesting conversation with Jason Scott a while back about WiMAX. 13:44.580 --> 13:48.500 And, as you know, he's really into BBSs and such like that. 13:48.720 --> 13:49.120 Right. 13:49.120 --> 13:58.580 And he feels that when WiMAX comes out and it's affordable for people like me to set up WiMAX in my town, I can blanket my town with a Wi-Fi signal. 13:59.640 --> 14:07.480 And it will be more like the old local BBSs because we could have an area of the whole town and just our little town to connect to. 14:08.500 --> 14:09.520 That would be pretty cool. 14:10.040 --> 14:11.240 And that would be really cool. 14:11.680 --> 14:12.600 That would be pretty cool. 14:12.600 --> 14:19.880 Now, I'm not sure that I've ever heard anyone use interesting conversation and Jason Scott in the same sentence before. 14:20.500 --> 14:21.540 I'm just kidding, Jason. 14:21.660 --> 14:22.480 I'm just kidding. 14:22.620 --> 14:23.320 Calm down. 14:24.060 --> 14:30.740 Go check out Jason Scott and Seal doing a presentation at Hope also in New York City this upcoming week. 14:31.060 --> 14:31.920 Or, excuse me, two weeks? 14:33.940 --> 14:34.700 Two weeks? 14:34.940 --> 14:35.380 Three weeks? 14:35.520 --> 14:35.680 I'm not going. 14:36.220 --> 14:37.140 Yeah, you suck. 14:37.200 --> 14:37.740 Why aren't you going? 14:37.740 --> 14:43.160 I fired my boss and now I have to step up to the job. 14:43.340 --> 14:44.940 You fired your boss? 14:46.400 --> 14:47.660 Something's backwards with that one. 14:48.800 --> 14:52.800 Well, see, the cool thing is I owned him. 14:54.400 --> 14:56.040 Okay, do you want to go into this on the radio? 14:56.240 --> 14:59.520 I owned the software and I was paying for the co-location. 15:00.660 --> 15:05.640 And when he and I had a disagreement, I just turned the box off. 15:05.640 --> 15:09.200 And then he had no product at all. 15:11.140 --> 15:12.800 And he got a little upset. 15:13.380 --> 15:13.620 A little? 15:15.060 --> 15:15.420 Yeah. 15:15.960 --> 15:16.700 So we fired him. 15:17.240 --> 15:19.320 Somehow this turned into the show and tell portion of the show. 15:19.440 --> 15:19.940 I'm not sure how. 15:20.660 --> 15:22.280 I'm not sure how we got there. 15:22.420 --> 15:23.580 I think it's the mimosa. 15:24.060 --> 15:24.560 I think, yeah. 15:24.620 --> 15:27.940 I think you're drinking and all the penis talk has gotten us kind of a little bit loopy here. 15:28.240 --> 15:32.080 So let's go back on topic for a little bit here, if we may. 15:32.300 --> 15:34.020 If we can there, Mr. Dog. 15:34.060 --> 15:34.780 Certainly, sir. 15:34.780 --> 15:36.740 What else did I want to talk about? 15:36.840 --> 15:40.760 Oh, actually, and kind of speaking of business-related things, data backup. 15:41.940 --> 15:47.540 A lot of people have one computer, one computer machine, and possibly only one hard drive in it. 15:47.620 --> 15:54.120 And that is very dangerous, especially if you've got all your important personal data on one hard drive. 15:54.120 --> 15:58.500 Businesses, obviously, it's much more important to them. 15:58.600 --> 16:02.980 They've got all their dating, all their data, all their accounting information, et cetera, et cetera. 16:03.500 --> 16:05.640 Or even their dating information could be there. 16:06.420 --> 16:07.380 All on one system. 16:07.380 --> 16:11.020 And they usually put a little bit more emphasis on backing data up. 16:11.160 --> 16:16.500 But for personal needs as well, it's very important to have some data redundancy. 16:17.160 --> 16:23.460 Copying your data, even if it's just your My Documents or your personal, like, for example, I don't know, tax. 16:23.460 --> 16:29.920 Anybody uses Quicken or TurboTax or something like that, and that's where all of your financial data is? 16:29.980 --> 16:30.780 That's all you're doing? 16:30.880 --> 16:31.900 Are you backing that up? 16:32.400 --> 16:34.560 Are you dependent on one hard drive? 16:34.660 --> 16:36.500 And if it dies, you're SOL? 16:36.500 --> 16:39.320 Well, that's not a good idea. 16:40.360 --> 16:44.220 So I would say burn that off to CD every once in a while. 16:44.340 --> 16:46.480 Put in a second hard drive and back it up. 16:46.580 --> 16:47.900 Mirror it, whatever you want to do. 16:48.020 --> 16:50.000 Hard drives are so cheap nowadays. 16:50.600 --> 16:51.460 Off-site backup. 16:51.860 --> 16:53.000 Or off-site backup. 16:53.180 --> 16:56.800 Hell, even upload it to a, if you have a website. 16:57.180 --> 17:00.560 You know, you can upload it to a website, and you can get websites cheap out there. 17:01.340 --> 17:04.020 Encrypt it, of course, if it's really private, personal data. 17:04.620 --> 17:05.460 Well, I don't encrypt it. 17:05.460 --> 17:07.080 I'm using a security through obscurity. 17:07.780 --> 17:11.160 I keep everything at infanomicon.org slash droopstocks. 17:12.720 --> 17:13.880 Is that D-O-C-S? 17:14.280 --> 17:14.560 Yes. 17:14.780 --> 17:15.820 Okay, all lowercase? 17:16.320 --> 17:16.560 Yeah. 17:16.720 --> 17:17.360 Okay, got it. 17:17.700 --> 17:19.120 Yeah, nobody will ever figure that one out. 17:21.120 --> 17:22.840 Now you should put something there as a joke. 17:24.680 --> 17:25.660 What are you talking about? 17:26.880 --> 17:34.800 You should put, like, a bunch of, like, your receipts for all of your lap dances or something from last year's taxes on there. 17:35.460 --> 17:37.340 Yeah, I don't keep my lap dance receipts, actually. 17:37.580 --> 17:38.060 Oh, okay. 17:38.280 --> 17:38.440 Wow. 17:38.520 --> 17:39.560 Back on topic there, buddy. 17:39.720 --> 17:40.140 There you go. 17:40.680 --> 17:41.060 All right. 17:41.120 --> 17:44.060 So, anyway, what would you do if you lost that information? 17:44.280 --> 17:44.700 How much? 17:44.740 --> 17:50.460 What about homework or other information that you can't replace? 17:50.460 --> 17:53.700 Work for work, source code or something that you're working on? 17:55.860 --> 17:56.320 I don't know. 17:56.380 --> 17:57.280 It could be anything. 17:57.740 --> 18:00.360 Make sure that you back that up. 18:00.360 --> 18:08.740 So, that being said, let's move on to something else besides connectivity. 18:08.840 --> 18:10.680 Actually, kind of related to connectivity. 18:11.620 --> 18:17.660 I mentioned kind of earlier about cable modem, DSL, and how your cable, cable's not the most reliable thing in the world. 18:17.660 --> 18:26.220 And, if you are like me and you have a cable modem and you're using a VoIP service for your primary phone system, you might be in a little bit of trouble. 18:26.380 --> 18:30.560 And, that's something our good friend Decoder has always talked and taught us about. 18:30.860 --> 18:35.620 So, why don't we see what Decoder has to say on that topic? 18:36.320 --> 18:39.420 VoIP or Voice over IP or Voice over TV. 18:39.860 --> 18:41.440 Voice over TV, more specifically. 18:41.440 --> 19:08.420 More Voice over TV because along the concept or the idea of being too dependent on any one company or one type of connectivity like we were just talking about, you know, what about being too dependent on your cable company to provide your cable modem or your DSL, true, anything, your phone company to provide your DSL or whatever high speed it is if you're using VoIP because, basically, you have one point of failure. 19:08.420 --> 19:11.580 You lose your cable, you lose your phone. 19:12.080 --> 19:12.800 Or your power. 19:13.280 --> 19:15.600 Or your power, actually, that's absolutely right. 19:15.800 --> 19:20.960 Which, here in Florida, we have that problem a lot. 19:21.140 --> 19:25.040 Electrical storms, hurricanes, bad weather, stuff like that, very common down here. 19:25.460 --> 19:25.700 Godzillas. 19:26.220 --> 19:29.240 Well, no, I think that's Tokyo, but, okay. 19:29.320 --> 19:30.820 Anything near the water has Godzillas. 19:31.140 --> 19:31.700 Oh, okay. 19:31.920 --> 19:33.380 Yeah, Godzillas, plural. 19:33.540 --> 19:35.640 I mean, they come out of the water, like, all the time. 19:36.120 --> 19:37.060 That's what I'm saying, yeah. 19:37.060 --> 19:37.400 Right. 19:37.400 --> 19:44.640 So, actually, and that's just why we have you on, because I know you're a big proponent of good old-fashioned copper. 19:45.760 --> 19:49.080 Yeah, well, you know, because it, I don't know, like, works. 19:51.460 --> 19:57.700 Yeah, well, it works because, again, it's been in place for years and years and years. 19:58.100 --> 20:03.460 The infrastructure exists, is reliable, and it's been around for so long. 20:03.460 --> 20:08.120 But, you know, you still have the same, you know, potential for problem. 20:08.240 --> 20:11.820 I mean, if you do have a hurricane or earthquake or Godzilla's attack. 20:11.820 --> 20:24.240 You know, let me tell you something, like, the amount of times that a widespread area of telephone service has gone out in, like, the past, like, I don't know, fucking, let's just say 20 years. 20:24.760 --> 20:25.300 You're right. 20:25.340 --> 20:25.940 It's not that often. 20:26.120 --> 20:26.860 It's not that often. 20:27.080 --> 20:29.880 Compared to how many times, like, your cell phone drops a call. 20:30.420 --> 20:34.360 Compared to how many times the power has gone out for more than, like, a few hours. 20:34.440 --> 20:35.000 You know what I'm saying? 20:35.440 --> 20:35.900 I mean, come on. 20:36.400 --> 20:41.520 Well, if the, your local power can go out, but your phones still work, correct? 20:41.680 --> 20:44.860 Yeah, well, of course, because the CO has its own fucking generator. 20:45.100 --> 20:45.240 Exactly. 20:45.240 --> 20:53.140 But what I'm saying is, like, I can't remember the last time that landline service was interrupted in my area. 20:53.500 --> 20:55.260 I can't remember, and I live in New York, obviously. 20:55.800 --> 20:58.120 And I can't remember the last time it was interrupted. 20:58.560 --> 20:59.500 Oh, yeah, wait, I can't. 20:59.580 --> 21:00.000 9-11. 21:00.400 --> 21:00.820 That's it. 21:00.820 --> 21:05.760 Right, well, and, you know, that's basically what I'm getting at is, even if the power goes 21:05.760 --> 21:10.420 out, your cable modem goes out, your phone company, I don't, would your DSL go out? 21:11.380 --> 21:11.840 I don't know. 21:11.840 --> 21:14.520 You know, I don't, I don't use DSL because it's fucking stupid. 21:14.940 --> 21:17.680 Well, yeah, that, honestly, it's a whole different topic. 21:17.860 --> 21:19.460 I think I've ranted about that before. 21:19.820 --> 21:23.200 If you have DSL and you're using VoIP, you're not really getting that much benefit. 21:23.200 --> 21:28.780 The whole, the big, big benefit of using VoIP is when you leave the phone company completely. 21:28.780 --> 21:31.260 Then you're saving a lot of money. 21:31.380 --> 21:36.480 If you're using DSL, if you're using DSL, at least down here, you're still required to 21:36.480 --> 21:40.020 maintain a phone line, bare minimum phone line, which is still going to cost you 20-something 21:40.020 --> 21:40.720 dollars a month. 21:40.760 --> 21:41.720 That's what I was just going to say. 21:41.720 --> 21:42.100 It's ridiculous. 21:42.100 --> 21:45.780 Up here with Verizon, you can't have DSL unless you have a phone line with them. 21:46.040 --> 21:49.780 All right, so the big benefit is when you switch over to cable modem and... 21:50.680 --> 21:52.140 Get the fuck rid of the phone company? 21:52.560 --> 21:53.460 Exactly, completely. 21:53.460 --> 21:59.540 Now, however, however, for this topic of the show today and reducing your dependence on 21:59.540 --> 22:04.440 that, well, I'm not going to say, you know, I don't want people to tell people that they 22:04.440 --> 22:10.160 should maintain a landline or a copper line with their phone company, which a lot of them 22:10.160 --> 22:14.720 are switching over to VoIP, so be careful that when you get a phone that you're not getting 22:14.720 --> 22:16.200 one of their VoIP plans. 22:16.940 --> 22:17.380 Exactly. 22:17.660 --> 22:19.060 You know, be careful about that. 22:19.060 --> 22:24.480 But, exactly what you said earlier is what I wanted to focus on is the infrastructure 22:24.480 --> 22:28.980 is there, and that infrastructure meaning not only the cables that are pulled everywhere, 22:29.580 --> 22:31.720 but, yes, even if the power goes out. 22:31.760 --> 22:35.800 Like, if the power goes out in this neighborhood, you know, if somebody hits a pole out in the 22:35.800 --> 22:39.300 front of the whole neighborhood and my phone will still work because there's still power 22:39.300 --> 22:39.760 at the CO. 22:40.520 --> 22:45.020 Even if the power goes out along like when the last time there was a major blackout, which 22:45.020 --> 22:51.260 was the whole fucking Northeast and a lot of the, a little bit of the Midwest was out. 22:51.520 --> 22:51.840 Right. 22:51.900 --> 22:52.900 Fuck with that, O2. 22:53.900 --> 22:54.260 Right. 22:54.380 --> 22:57.440 The next step is if the actual CO loses power. 22:58.100 --> 23:02.860 Well, no, when that thing was going on, it was out for almost a day and the phone worked 23:02.860 --> 23:03.280 all the time. 23:03.420 --> 23:03.800 But, because? 23:04.920 --> 23:06.160 Because it's fucking dope. 23:06.480 --> 23:07.980 Because the CO has its own generator. 23:07.980 --> 23:10.740 Exactly, exactly, and that's what I'm saying. 23:10.840 --> 23:15.380 So, you always have that, that redundancy built in there. 23:15.400 --> 23:18.400 Unless you live in, unless you live in a stick somewhere and you have your own generator 23:18.400 --> 23:19.220 that isn't on the grid. 23:19.720 --> 23:23.400 Well, yeah, that's a whole topic for, for later on in the show, possibly. 23:24.120 --> 23:28.400 So, yeah, don't, you don't, you're not necessarily, it's not that you have to have, or am I saying 23:28.400 --> 23:31.420 that you should get a copper line, although Dakota would probably say that? 23:31.880 --> 23:35.560 Well, you don't, you don't have to have it with the, with the incumbent telephone company. 23:35.560 --> 23:39.300 You could always, you know, get a, an alternate provider for your copper line. 23:39.800 --> 23:42.980 Again, if you live out in certain places, you might not have any alternate providers 23:42.980 --> 23:43.300 either. 23:43.860 --> 23:45.800 Oh, you're just shit in luck, then, and nobody cares. 23:46.000 --> 23:46.200 Yeah. 23:46.340 --> 23:46.580 Move. 23:46.980 --> 23:47.340 Move. 23:47.580 --> 23:49.040 It's your own fault for living there. 23:49.460 --> 23:52.700 Yeah, it's your own fault for living in fucking Timbuktu or West Bobblefock or wherever 23:52.700 --> 23:53.240 the fuck you live. 23:53.640 --> 23:54.000 Exactly. 23:54.920 --> 23:57.460 So, yeah, I mean, it, then that's, that's just it. 23:57.580 --> 23:59.060 But have a plan in place. 23:59.180 --> 24:04.020 Know the difference between VoIP and copper, and, I mean, make the decision. 24:04.020 --> 24:08.640 Like, Decoder, I think, has made it very public that he prefers the copper and goes 24:08.640 --> 24:09.800 with the copper line for the house. 24:09.880 --> 24:11.000 You're not a VoIP guy, right? 24:11.760 --> 24:13.680 Nah, you know, VoIP has its, has its uses. 24:13.920 --> 24:16.180 It's definitely fun to play with. 24:16.240 --> 24:17.120 It's nice to have. 24:17.200 --> 24:24.440 But, you know, as far as depending on something, like, I would, I would probably be more likely 24:24.440 --> 24:28.480 to say that, that you can depend on your copper line all the time. 24:28.480 --> 24:33.720 Like, for all intents and purposes, it would go out, like, so infrequently, like, once 24:33.720 --> 24:35.400 every ten fucking years or something. 24:35.680 --> 24:35.960 Right. 24:35.980 --> 24:38.480 You might as well consider that 100%, you know? 24:38.680 --> 24:42.500 Well, and that's, that's exactly, I'm glad you used the word dependent for our Independence 24:42.500 --> 24:46.700 Day show, is that, yes, you're, you're not going to be so dependent on something that 24:46.700 --> 24:48.120 crashes much more frequently. 24:48.420 --> 24:51.080 I mean, VoIP goes out much more frequently than the copper line. 24:51.140 --> 24:51.860 No doubt about that. 24:51.860 --> 24:57.420 And I know on the, on the show and in the past, um, we've always spoken about the virtues 24:57.420 --> 25:01.320 of VoIP, and it is great as far as saving money, but there are costs associated with 25:01.320 --> 25:01.600 that. 25:02.240 --> 25:03.580 And in the, in the... 25:03.580 --> 25:09.180 Well, nobody's saying that you have to have the fucking super deluxe package on your copper 25:09.180 --> 25:09.500 line. 25:09.580 --> 25:11.360 You can get, like, the lifeline service, you know? 25:11.400 --> 25:14.800 You can get whatever you fucking want, but the point is, it'll be there. 25:15.060 --> 25:15.420 Right. 25:15.520 --> 25:16.220 If you need it. 25:16.460 --> 25:18.800 You know, and depending on where you live, you might fucking need it. 25:18.800 --> 25:22.960 I mean, if you have a couple of pay phones, like, outside your house, if those still exist, 25:23.060 --> 25:28.560 I'm not really sure if they're still around, but, uh, if you have those, I mean, that right 25:28.560 --> 25:33.140 there, you may not need your own, like, personal line, because there's the phone if you need 25:33.140 --> 25:33.320 it. 25:33.500 --> 25:37.640 Well, that's, that's a perfect, uh, segue, because I know you don't have the notes, I 25:37.640 --> 25:41.420 didn't send them to you, but next thing on my list was that, yes, you don't have to 25:41.420 --> 25:46.160 have a second phone line of your own in place, just a plan in case something does happen, 25:46.160 --> 25:51.000 and one of those things to keep in mind is, know where the local pay phones are. 25:51.720 --> 25:55.100 Yeah, you gotta know, I mean, it's just one of those things, if you really, if you, if 25:55.100 --> 25:58.520 there's gonna be a point where you really need a phone to know that there's a few pay 25:58.520 --> 26:02.480 phones, like, two blocks away from you, and know which ones work and which ones don't 26:02.480 --> 26:05.500 might save you in, like, an emergency situation, you know? 26:05.720 --> 26:11.160 Yeah, absolutely, and, and, and all of you listening right now, very seriously, if you don't know 26:11.160 --> 26:15.180 where the closest pay phone is, and yes, we've, we've definitely talked about, you 26:15.180 --> 26:18.400 know, how they've been disappearing, and how their phone companies are pulling them 26:18.400 --> 26:24.460 up all over the place, it's still, know where the closest pay phones are, so that if there 26:24.460 --> 26:29.000 is some sort of emergency, or if you do need to communicate with people, that you do know 26:29.000 --> 26:33.420 at least where they are, and have, and have some quarters handy, right? 26:33.980 --> 26:38.360 And test, well, or, or, or a, uh, prepaid calling card, and test them. 26:38.560 --> 26:38.780 Good point. 26:38.780 --> 26:39.900 Make sure they fucking work. 26:40.060 --> 26:43.080 That is, you know what, I didn't think about that, you're a smart son of a bitch, you know 26:43.080 --> 26:43.300 that? 26:43.840 --> 26:47.640 Well, because most of the people in my area, like, a lot of them, uh, a lot of them don't 26:47.640 --> 26:48.640 work, you know? 26:48.900 --> 26:49.220 Yeah. 26:49.340 --> 26:54.320 And especially if they're cocots, make sure, not only make sure that the thing has a dial 26:54.320 --> 26:57.620 tone and you can dial, but make sure people can hear you on the other end, and shit like 26:57.620 --> 26:57.920 that. 26:58.180 --> 27:02.160 Yep, have that calling card handy, that will definitely, definitely come into play. 27:02.160 --> 27:05.780 Yeah, because a lot of times, they might, the phone might work, it might do everything 27:05.780 --> 27:10.040 except for, except, uh, use it except twice, except for take your money. 27:10.800 --> 27:11.120 Yeah. 27:11.720 --> 27:12.820 That might become a problem. 27:13.100 --> 27:17.600 And, you know, we could go down a whole nother branch of discussion here, but we won't about 27:17.600 --> 27:22.820 which calling cards are better, and the differences, and some of them expire, so be careful, but... 27:22.820 --> 27:26.380 Oh, well, you know, a lot of times, you gotta watch out, at least for the, uh, like the 27:26.380 --> 27:31.500 little fucking, um, I use a lot of, uh, IDP phone cards, and like the local ones that 27:31.500 --> 27:35.300 have local access numbers, and 800 access, but they want you to use a local access, and 27:35.300 --> 27:40.040 a lot of times, people don't know that those have surcharges on them, like, if I use it 27:40.040 --> 27:43.260 today to call you, I talk to you for five minutes, and I put the thing in my pocket for 27:43.260 --> 27:46.920 a week, when I pull it out a week later, it might have had, like, a surcharge tacked on 27:46.920 --> 27:48.280 it every day, and have no money on it. 27:48.280 --> 27:50.020 Yeah, so, check out... 27:50.020 --> 27:55.500 So, I would, my suggestion is to buy the smallest denomination possible, and just have a fucking, 27:55.620 --> 27:57.000 like, brand new one in your pocket. 27:57.900 --> 28:00.540 For, yeah, for that exact reason, for emergency use. 28:00.680 --> 28:01.820 Yeah, an unused one. 28:01.980 --> 28:05.580 Don't use it if you're gonna use it for emergency, and yeah, some of them have expiration dates 28:05.580 --> 28:07.900 you want to see when the thing actually expires. 28:07.900 --> 28:13.740 Well, and go on to, you know, that's when you go to forums.binrev.com, and check out 28:13.740 --> 28:18.460 the old school freaking forum, that's exactly the kind of discussion, among a lot of other 28:18.460 --> 28:23.120 stuff that goes on there, and, you know, do some searching, and if you don't find your 28:23.120 --> 28:26.520 answer, post and discuss, you know, some of the calling cars, and the differences, and 28:26.520 --> 28:27.560 your experiences with them. 28:28.160 --> 28:30.340 Yeah, some dickhead will fucking reply and tell you what to do. 28:30.560 --> 28:31.320 Yeah, probably. 28:31.500 --> 28:31.960 Some jerk. 28:32.840 --> 28:33.580 Some jerk name. 28:33.580 --> 28:33.880 Yeah, who knows. 28:34.300 --> 28:35.860 Decoder, something like that, I don't know. 28:35.860 --> 28:37.920 I don't post on your fucking forum, son. 28:38.060 --> 28:39.000 Oh, shut up, you do, too. 28:39.040 --> 28:40.660 I just saw you post the other day, you liar. 28:41.320 --> 28:41.940 I did not. 28:42.000 --> 28:42.620 What are you talking about? 28:42.620 --> 28:43.180 Well, yeah, and you know what? 28:43.200 --> 28:44.320 Actually, I should pimp for a second. 28:44.400 --> 28:47.700 I should pimp out Yapple, too, the payphone list, so you can always look at them. 28:47.700 --> 28:47.780 Yeah, there you go. 28:47.980 --> 28:52.140 But know your, go out and find your own local payphones and know where they exist. 28:52.240 --> 28:57.260 Don't depend on Yapple, because it's user-contributed, and if nobody in your area has contributed 28:57.260 --> 28:59.560 those payphones, obviously that's not much help for you. 28:59.560 --> 29:04.620 So go find your local ones, A, for the sake of knowing that they're there, and B, go home 29:04.620 --> 29:05.400 and put them in Yapple. 29:05.400 --> 29:06.940 You lazy bastards. 29:07.560 --> 29:08.760 And make sure they fucking work. 29:09.120 --> 29:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 29:10.700 --> 29:11.760 And actually, you know what? 29:11.780 --> 29:17.900 And another kind of, this is a good excuse to me, or a good reason, an excellent use of 29:17.900 --> 29:20.100 freaking skills in general. 29:20.260 --> 29:25.660 I mean, baseball boxing and having, you know, being able to do things and understand and 29:25.660 --> 29:30.680 know how the phone system works, so that if something does happen inside of your house 29:30.680 --> 29:32.080 or your apartment complex. 29:32.080 --> 29:34.420 Every fucking day, you'd be a big goddamn hero. 29:34.740 --> 29:34.980 Yeah. 29:35.220 --> 29:35.760 There you go. 29:35.820 --> 29:35.960 Yeah. 29:39.960 --> 29:40.720 Super freak. 29:40.880 --> 29:41.580 That's what you'd be. 29:42.200 --> 29:42.920 That's what you would. 29:43.080 --> 29:43.980 Super freak. 29:45.040 --> 29:45.680 Yeah, actually. 29:45.680 --> 29:46.620 Don't sing, please. 29:46.620 --> 29:49.200 Everybody loves it when I sing. 29:49.740 --> 29:53.260 Yeah, well, they're just humoring you or trying to make you feel good about yourself. 29:53.640 --> 29:54.480 Super freak. 29:54.480 --> 29:54.580 Super freak. 29:54.580 --> 29:55.640 Super freak. 29:55.640 --> 29:56.040 Okay. 29:56.620 --> 29:56.980 All right. 29:57.060 --> 30:00.660 So, actually, I mentioned earlier about the hurricanes in Florida. 30:00.660 --> 30:04.260 Actually, I went through several hurricanes. 30:04.480 --> 30:07.920 For the last two years have been kind of busy hurricanes, especially last year. 30:08.440 --> 30:10.080 I got hit with three of them pretty hard. 30:10.180 --> 30:11.160 Lost power every time. 30:11.260 --> 30:14.040 Lost phone, interweb, et cetera, et cetera. 30:14.900 --> 30:18.800 I think the whole interweb got knocked out somehow, but maybe it was just me. 30:19.520 --> 30:24.680 But I was still, you know, I was still able to communicate and function with people. 30:24.900 --> 30:27.060 Even, and the cell phone towers got knocked out as well. 30:27.060 --> 30:29.660 I wasn't able to use my cell phone, which we kind of, I don't think we really. 30:29.660 --> 30:33.900 Don't expect your cell phone to work in an emergency, because trust me, it'll be, it's 30:33.900 --> 30:34.920 the 9-11 period. 30:35.060 --> 30:39.700 What will happen is, since everybody has a cell phone in their pocket, if it's something 30:39.700 --> 30:44.260 even, like, ridiculously small, like, oh my God, it's raining, fucking, everybody and 30:44.260 --> 30:47.960 their fucking mother is going to pick up the cell phone, you know, to say, oh, goddammit, 30:47.980 --> 30:48.600 it's fucking raining. 30:48.720 --> 30:52.080 Make sure you close the windows on the fucking car or fucking whatever. 30:52.660 --> 30:55.240 And it's just going to be clogged up, and nobody's going to be able to make a 30:55.240 --> 30:59.800 other fucking call, because believe me, when, as I was talking about that power outage 30:59.800 --> 31:05.260 in 2002, the big fucking power outage they had, the big blackout, cell phones were fucking 31:05.260 --> 31:05.680 no good. 31:05.920 --> 31:09.080 I called my man on his cell, and I just couldn't fucking get through to him. 31:09.160 --> 31:13.060 I had to actually get out of my house, walk down the block to his fucking house, and be 31:13.060 --> 31:15.800 like, yo, dude, your cell phone doesn't fucking work. 31:15.800 --> 31:20.360 Well, I guess I assumed it was public knowledge, but maybe we should kind of mention that the 31:20.360 --> 31:25.500 cell phone towers, the cell phone companies, the way their system is designed is not to 31:25.500 --> 31:32.860 handle, it's designed on an aggregate thought, whereas they're assuming that X number of people 31:32.860 --> 31:38.020 could be using this system at any given time, an average number of people, and they know that 31:38.020 --> 31:42.240 there are peak times and non-peak times, which is how they design their plans, but they do 31:42.240 --> 31:46.360 not have, in the neighborhood, they can't use the tower, it's like a run on a bank. 31:46.520 --> 31:53.280 Right, they're not designed, they have no capabilities, they do not have the capacity, at any point in 31:53.280 --> 31:58.100 time, if everybody in a certain vicinity used their phone at the same time, which is exactly 31:58.100 --> 32:03.760 what you said, the 9-11 theory, or any type of emergency, they do not have the capacity. 32:03.900 --> 32:09.840 They don't target for the maximum number of users, they target for an aggregate, an average 32:09.840 --> 32:11.160 number of users. 32:11.160 --> 32:16.660 Unless you have one of those GETS overrides on your cell phone, which I doubt anybody 32:16.660 --> 32:21.520 listening to this has, but it goes under the same theory as GETS, which is the government 32:21.520 --> 32:24.880 emergency telecommunication system, the 710 area code. 32:26.080 --> 32:30.880 They do that for cell phones too, I'm not exactly 100% sure, right at this very second, 32:31.100 --> 32:33.500 sitting in my bed naked, how it works. 32:33.880 --> 32:37.980 I haven't read about it for quite some time, and I wasn't really all that fucking enthralled 32:37.980 --> 32:43.980 with it, but it does like, when you make the fucking phone call, somehow the cell power 32:43.980 --> 32:48.640 knows that you're some important motherfucker, and it'll kick other people off to make your 32:48.640 --> 32:49.000 call. 32:49.000 --> 32:54.640 The one thing I do remember about it was a person, one of my friends, who I guess for 32:54.640 --> 33:00.500 right now should remain nameless, did once a couple of years ago inform me about a trick 33:00.500 --> 33:07.020 with Nextel, which I'm not sure if it still works, but something about there being an emergency 33:07.020 --> 33:14.660 fucking bullshit thing inside your phone that you can reset, and that can give you power 33:14.660 --> 33:18.640 to knock people off the fucking tower if your tower's too busy. 33:20.520 --> 33:23.500 I don't know if that person ever listens to this and they know what I'm talking about, 33:23.580 --> 33:24.220 they know who they are. 33:25.120 --> 33:27.820 Maybe they'll post something about it in the forum, maybe they'll find out if it still 33:27.820 --> 33:28.080 works. 33:28.160 --> 33:32.740 I know they don't use Nextel anymore, so who knows if they're really up on that, but there 33:32.740 --> 33:37.900 was a thing with Nextel where you could make yourself a priority call. 33:38.640 --> 33:41.320 Hmm, that would be a very interesting information, very useful. 33:42.020 --> 33:46.240 Yeah, but I'm not going to give any of it up right now because, you know, I forget most 33:46.240 --> 33:46.480 of it. 33:46.660 --> 33:47.620 Ah, there you go. 33:48.180 --> 33:48.400 Yep. 33:48.400 --> 33:52.400 Well, like I was saying, though, the hurricanes in Florida, for example, you know, I lost my 33:53.120 --> 33:58.920 cell phone, cell towers were all out, the regular old POTS lines, of course I didn't 33:58.920 --> 34:02.560 have one at the time, but my cable went out and my power went out anyway. 34:03.000 --> 34:09.000 So, that was SOL, and most people would be, which is exactly what the theme of this show 34:09.000 --> 34:09.960 is, the independence. 34:10.460 --> 34:16.460 Do you have alternate, because, I mean, let's be honest here, the power going out and or 34:16.460 --> 34:19.680 the cable going out, both are not exactly rare occurrences. 34:20.180 --> 34:20.900 They're really not. 34:20.900 --> 34:25.360 So, why are so many of us, yeah, why are so many people not really prepared and don't 34:25.360 --> 34:25.960 know what to do? 34:26.000 --> 34:28.280 And it's like, oh no, the power's out, what do we do? 34:28.900 --> 34:32.820 You know, in Florida, it's a little bit more, people are a little bit more prepared because 34:32.820 --> 34:37.220 it happens so commonly, but for anyone listening who's not in Florida, you should always have 34:37.220 --> 34:38.700 some plans in place. 34:38.700 --> 34:44.620 For example, I had my little hand scanner, and I was able to listen to ham radio or emergency, 34:45.280 --> 34:49.240 the emergency broadcast and stuff, the weathers and stuff like that, so I was still able to 34:49.240 --> 34:50.300 get information. 34:50.820 --> 34:56.220 I was still able to, communicate is a really, probably the poor word to use because communicate 34:56.220 --> 34:57.440 in first two way. 34:57.440 --> 35:03.600 I do not have a way to actually broadcast or send out information, but I was able to 35:03.600 --> 35:08.480 get and listen in on information, so I wasn't sitting there with my thumb up my ass waiting 35:08.480 --> 35:11.960 and wondering what the hell's going on and what's happening next, is anybody restoring 35:11.960 --> 35:14.540 power, how bad is the hurricane, et cetera, et cetera. 35:15.240 --> 35:16.780 So, I have some things like that. 35:16.860 --> 35:22.200 My lack of power, phone, internet, prawn, all that good stuff did not stop me from actually 35:22.200 --> 35:26.820 functioning and still having information and staying calm and knowing exactly what was going 35:26.820 --> 35:30.920 on, whereas a lot of people were sitting in the dark, huddled in the corner, wondering 35:30.920 --> 35:34.160 what the hell's going on, and some people really do, crying. 35:35.000 --> 35:40.820 Yeah, but don't forget, as far as cell phones, even if you know the power's out and the cell 35:40.820 --> 35:45.300 tower is able to let you make a call, like, what the fuck are you going to do when your 35:45.300 --> 35:46.280 battery runs out? 35:46.360 --> 35:50.240 Well, I'll tell you what I did, here's my tip, went out and charged it in the car. 35:50.320 --> 35:52.520 Always have a car charger as your backup. 35:52.520 --> 35:56.340 Yeah, and I was going to say, yeah, you could charge it in the car, but what about motherfuckers 35:56.340 --> 35:57.100 who don't have cars? 35:57.540 --> 36:01.440 Well, and more to the point, I mean, now you're talking about reliance on something else. 36:01.520 --> 36:03.920 You're not relying on electricity, you're relying on gasoline. 36:04.640 --> 36:08.940 You know, that's a whole other topic that's not really, I think that's probably branching 36:08.940 --> 36:13.560 off too much, but, you know, or a lot of people also will have a generator, a small generator 36:13.560 --> 36:18.060 in their house to run, you know, just the bare minimum, just run the basic stuff at the 36:18.060 --> 36:18.160 house. 36:18.160 --> 36:21.140 Well, I don't know about where you live, but where I live, nobody has any of that shit. 36:21.140 --> 36:23.460 Well, in Florida, it's a little bit more common. 36:23.560 --> 36:26.020 Yeah, most majority of people, of course, still do not. 36:26.340 --> 36:27.860 But, you know, it's something to think of. 36:27.960 --> 36:31.060 It's, you know, it's a few hundred bucks, you put one out in the garage, you have it 36:31.060 --> 36:35.600 on hand in case of emergency, and I mean, some people in Florida will fire up the generator 36:35.600 --> 36:37.280 and use it as an excuse to have a party. 36:37.400 --> 36:39.700 They'll fire up the generator and some lights, they'll sit there and drink. 36:39.720 --> 36:40.340 Oh, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. 36:40.600 --> 36:42.900 You know, so, yeah, have a generator of your own. 36:42.900 --> 36:48.220 As far as charging your cell phone, there's always those little things they sell, like 36:48.220 --> 36:52.060 CompUSA, that charges your fucking battery, like they're used for, I don't know, if you 36:52.060 --> 36:54.660 go hiking and shit like that, or you're keeping your car for an emergency. 36:55.020 --> 36:55.220 Right. 36:55.480 --> 36:57.940 There used to be like a hand crank thing, if you remember that. 36:57.940 --> 37:02.120 Yeah, they have emergency batteries, even, that are disposable, one-time use. 37:02.180 --> 37:08.100 Once the charge is out, you can throw them away, which seems kind of like a stupid idea 37:08.100 --> 37:11.540 until you think about, you know, would that be your emergency, would that be for your backup, 37:11.640 --> 37:16.760 just like, you know, I would also recommend to anybody, I know this is probably common sense, 37:16.760 --> 37:22.420 but I always have a drawer full of good, up-to-date, unused batteries. 37:23.100 --> 37:24.260 Yeah, that too, batteries. 37:24.640 --> 37:26.700 Good, up-to-date, used dildos. 37:27.100 --> 37:29.900 Unused batteries for the dildos, see? 37:30.340 --> 37:33.620 You don't want to be caught, you don't want to be caught without battery power. 37:34.120 --> 37:37.800 I guess you're kind of a lightweight, because my vibrator plugs in to the wall. 37:37.920 --> 37:39.960 Your vibrator has a kickstart, what are you talking about? 37:40.600 --> 37:42.220 My vibrator runs on a generator. 37:42.220 --> 37:46.020 Your vibrator's got a kickstart and it's powered by ethanol. 37:46.760 --> 37:47.120 Nice. 37:47.660 --> 37:48.020 Nice. 37:48.900 --> 37:53.080 Anyway, all right, well, I think, you know, since I mentioned ham radio, 37:53.280 --> 37:57.880 I think I should probably get Jaga on the phone and talk about some ham radio stuff, 37:57.960 --> 38:01.380 because that's something else that, again, I found is always going on, 38:01.440 --> 38:04.580 it's always information being transmitted, and you can sit and listen in on it. 38:05.040 --> 38:09.440 You know, even without broadcasting, like I said, just listening will get you a lot of information. 38:09.600 --> 38:10.080 So, Decoder? 38:10.800 --> 38:11.200 Monitoring. 38:11.200 --> 38:13.440 Thank you for being on the show, my friend, 38:13.440 --> 38:16.820 and I will see you in a couple weeks in New York City. 38:17.400 --> 38:18.080 Can I give a shout-out? 38:18.380 --> 38:18.860 Absolutely. 38:19.860 --> 38:26.020 I want to give a shout-out to my man, Run DM Nate. 38:28.420 --> 38:32.100 A.K.A. Jam Master Nate. 38:32.360 --> 38:34.120 Got a shout-out, De La Nate. 38:34.920 --> 38:37.520 Yeah, De La Nate, Grandmaster Nate. 38:37.520 --> 38:38.560 All right. 38:39.120 --> 38:40.520 That's my man right there. 38:40.700 --> 38:40.940 All right. 38:40.940 --> 38:42.740 I call him Nate LaRock. 38:43.160 --> 38:47.260 Your shots are duly noted, and let's talk to Jaga. 38:48.120 --> 38:53.000 I thought the best person to get on the show to talk about ham radio is my good friend Jaga, 38:53.120 --> 38:56.880 A.K.A. Lynn, calling in from the 404 tonight. 38:57.240 --> 38:58.160 Welcome to the show. 38:58.680 --> 38:59.240 Good evening. 38:59.240 --> 39:02.600 And we are going to talk about ham radio a little bit, 39:02.660 --> 39:05.360 since I kind of mentioned it earlier about how, you know, 39:05.420 --> 39:11.500 down here in Florida we have hurricanes and how I used it to listen to the emergency frequencies and such 39:11.500 --> 39:16.780 and how ham radio was still active even though cell towers and phone company, 39:16.900 --> 39:20.540 electricity in general was gone, cable, et cetera, et cetera. 39:20.920 --> 39:25.400 So, I mean, ham radio has been around and been stable for a long time, right? 39:25.400 --> 39:32.060 Well, I mean, you're talking about something that goes back really to before BFCC. 39:32.560 --> 39:39.840 I mean, you're talking about something that goes back to the experimenters before you're talking about broadcasters, 39:40.480 --> 39:43.160 before radio stations, TV even. 39:43.820 --> 39:49.860 So, you're talking about something that has a very long history of experimentation and, you know, 39:49.920 --> 39:51.600 if you will, hacking, so to speak. 39:51.600 --> 39:55.260 I mean, you know, there were people that were in their garage building spark gap generators, 39:55.400 --> 40:01.980 that just blasted radio on all kinds of frequencies and they talked to each other from street to street, 40:02.760 --> 40:09.260 you know, just a few years after Marconi figured out radio in general. 40:10.360 --> 40:18.740 And that's ironic that you mentioned the FCC because how much limitations and how they came about because of all this kind of stuff. 40:18.740 --> 40:21.540 So, that's a topic for another time, though, I think. 40:22.640 --> 40:22.880 Oh, yeah. 40:22.940 --> 40:27.100 I mean, that's a very in-depth conversation in and of itself. 40:27.260 --> 40:33.380 But just in general, to give you an idea of history, you're talking about something that goes back, you know, 40:33.480 --> 40:35.960 to the beginning of the last century. 40:36.680 --> 40:40.100 Well, obviously before the global interweb. 40:40.100 --> 40:42.520 Yeah, just a little bit. 40:42.640 --> 40:51.880 I mean, I was even doing ham radio before I had even heard of the global internet, interweb, or whatever you want to call it. 40:52.100 --> 40:59.380 I mean, you know, I mean, I got involved with it in the mid-80s. 41:00.060 --> 41:05.100 And at that time, I mean, the internet was there, but your average person did not use it. 41:05.500 --> 41:07.740 Well, your average person still doesn't use it. 41:07.740 --> 41:10.180 No. 41:10.720 --> 41:11.440 So, I mean. 41:11.500 --> 41:18.300 I mean, your average techie even was not on the internet at that point. 41:18.540 --> 41:26.100 They were doing other things, ham radio and other types of experimentation and telephones and stuff like that. 41:26.280 --> 41:30.840 So, you know, this is something that goes back substantially further than that. 41:30.900 --> 41:36.660 And one of the things that's really interesting about it, I mean, definitely not to the beginning of the last century, 41:36.660 --> 41:47.660 but at least the last 50 years, if you were to go out and buy a radio today, it could talk to the radio of 50 years ago. 41:48.720 --> 41:48.920 Well, yeah. 41:48.920 --> 42:03.640 That might not be the most ideal format, but it's not like the difference between a 186 IBM and a Pentium 4, you know, however many gigahertz. 42:03.640 --> 42:09.840 I mean, the basic concept and protocols are still in place. 42:09.940 --> 42:10.280 Well, yeah. 42:10.360 --> 42:11.200 I was going to say, it's not like. 42:11.200 --> 42:11.780 Because it's somewhat limiting. 42:12.120 --> 42:12.300 Yeah. 42:12.340 --> 42:13.700 You're not mixing protocols. 42:13.920 --> 42:15.440 You're not mixing different communication. 42:15.620 --> 42:18.640 I mean, a frequency is a frequency all day long. 42:18.640 --> 42:29.860 Yeah, you're either talking with AM, which is amplitude modulation, FM, frequency modulation, which is limited frequencies. 42:29.980 --> 42:37.180 You can use that on not from a physical standpoint, but from a regulatory standpoint and, you know, friendliness of bandwidth standpoint. 42:37.180 --> 42:46.340 And then you've got some modified versions of AM called single sideband where you're only using part of the AM signal. 42:46.860 --> 42:54.380 And then you go down to the most basic of basic forms of communication, which is CW or Morse code. 42:54.380 --> 43:03.760 And, you know, I mean, that goes back a long ways, although there have been substantial reductions in the requirements for that. 43:03.820 --> 43:07.980 And there's potentially going to be an even more substantial reduction in that. 43:08.640 --> 43:17.080 Actually, there's a potential for there to be an elimination entirely of the requirement for Morse code, which is in some ways is good, 43:17.080 --> 43:22.060 because there has been a downturn in the number of people that are getting AM radio licenses. 43:22.300 --> 43:26.080 And that's always been the major barrier because it is a difficult thing to learn. 43:27.580 --> 43:28.440 Yeah, but that's sad. 43:28.540 --> 43:30.460 Morse code is just a tradition, though. 43:30.520 --> 43:33.340 I just I would hate to lose that as a as a requirement. 43:33.340 --> 43:37.060 I understand why, but I mean, it's just that's just such a tradition. 43:37.060 --> 43:50.440 Yeah, but the idea behind it is that it's not really used as much in a lot of the data modes, kind of replace it and don't require its use. 43:50.440 --> 43:58.260 But, I mean, I think that at some level for the highest class of license, I think there should be something. 43:58.260 --> 44:06.240 But really, the FCC, because of the World Radio Conference, eliminated their requirement for it globally. 44:07.120 --> 44:13.880 I think that it's very, very likely that in December there's going to be some kind of a ruling that eliminates it. 44:13.960 --> 44:19.040 Currently, you can get the most basic license without Morse code. 44:19.460 --> 44:26.560 And that allows you to talk on VHF frequencies and UHF frequencies in a local kind of a way. 44:26.560 --> 44:30.160 All right. Now, you're talking about the technician's license. 44:31.260 --> 44:37.320 The no-code technician license, I think it might be good just to kind of go through what the current structure is. 44:37.340 --> 44:40.020 The current structure is there's a no-code technician's license. 44:41.100 --> 44:45.840 It's not an incredibly difficult test if you're a technology person. 44:46.000 --> 44:48.080 I mean, my wife is not a technology person. 44:48.240 --> 44:51.740 She sat in on a one-day boot camp and passed at the end. 44:52.120 --> 44:55.460 Now, I will say she's smarter than the average bear, and I'm sticking to that story. 44:55.460 --> 45:00.800 But, and she is, no, truly a very smart individual. 45:03.000 --> 45:05.540 But, so you start with the no-code technician. 45:05.980 --> 45:16.160 Then to gain access to a limited amount of what we call HF frequencies or high frequency, I guess HF frequency would be kind of like ATM machine. 45:16.160 --> 45:28.340 But, anyway, HF would be high frequencies, and those would be ones that you could talk potentially across the United States or even across the oceans to other continents. 45:28.940 --> 45:39.500 To get the most basic version of that, you then take a five-word-per-minute Morse code test, which is receive only, because it's actually easier to transmit Morse code than it is to receive it. 45:39.500 --> 45:45.240 In your head, at least to me, it was easier to transmit it than receive it. 45:45.580 --> 45:49.260 And then, from there, you just take theory classes getting harder. 45:49.260 --> 46:04.580 Well, and, you know, that kind of ties in, though, to the theme of what we're talking about today is the independence from a lot of this stuff and the ability to still communicate without some of these modern ways of doing it. 46:04.580 --> 46:19.880 And, like, I know we've talked on previous shows, and you and I have talked about some of the new computerized cards and digital technologies to kind of move – that it's some of the ham radio is moving in that direction. 46:20.700 --> 46:32.660 However, I'm trying to kind of emphasize the fact, and that's why it's really sad with the Morse code, because no matter what – I mean, even – it's kind of cliché at this point because you see it in the movies, people communicating with Morse code. 46:32.660 --> 46:41.400 But it does still work, and it does still exist, and it going away is kind of like – it's just a bad sign that we're losing a form of communication. 46:41.640 --> 46:47.660 So I understand that now we're only talking in regards to the requirement of it as a license. 46:48.220 --> 46:52.200 That's not to say that people aren't still going to know and use Morse code. 46:52.300 --> 47:02.100 You're always going to have that as an old – again, for lack of a better word – protocol or communications means that you do still have those options available. 47:02.660 --> 47:05.960 I mean, it's the ultimate in binary communication. 47:06.160 --> 47:08.360 It's either on or it's off. 47:08.560 --> 47:09.040 Absolutely. 47:09.140 --> 47:17.700 It is the mother of all data forms, except it requires no computer whatsoever except your brain. 47:17.700 --> 47:39.620 You know, if you know the protocol, you know that the – you know how to make the letters with the – and you can physically – if you're a sharp enough cookie and have enough MacGyver instincts, you can actually build a transmitter from a bunch of junk. 47:40.620 --> 47:51.440 Now, it may not be the cleanest transmitter and et cetera, et cetera, and the best thing with the best receiver and the highest output power and all this other stuff, but you can physically communicate like that. 47:51.700 --> 48:04.420 And, you know, personally, I'm not an enormous CW fan, Morse code fan, but it is the most basic of basics, and I will tell you that nothing works better than the bandwidth. 48:04.420 --> 48:07.460 And it also translates across languages. 48:08.560 --> 48:09.180 Oh, yeah. 48:09.340 --> 48:09.900 I mean, definitely. 48:09.900 --> 48:11.040 So you break the language barrier. 48:11.140 --> 48:12.820 You can talk with people in other countries. 48:12.920 --> 48:16.500 They may not speak English, but they can translate and understand Morse code. 48:17.660 --> 48:18.740 In general, yeah. 48:18.840 --> 48:20.780 I mean, you know, you're spelling English words. 48:20.860 --> 48:21.200 Right. 48:21.200 --> 48:23.740 There's also a lot of abbreviations and other things in there. 48:23.820 --> 48:29.440 I mean, you can definitely exchange call signs with people, and they get – they would get the fact that you're in trouble. 48:29.600 --> 48:36.040 Now, one thing with the current license structure that I would like to throw out there is you were talking about emergency communications. 48:36.420 --> 48:36.660 Right. 48:36.860 --> 48:46.880 The FCC can and has declared emergency situations, and when those things happen, all bets are off on the licensing program. 48:46.880 --> 48:47.220 Okay? 48:48.020 --> 48:48.380 Right. 48:48.380 --> 48:53.620 You're a no-code technician, and you're on some little island, and everything goes down. 48:53.920 --> 48:54.220 Mm-hmm. 48:54.620 --> 49:02.980 You can transmit on any ham radio frequency you want to with any power output you have available as long as it's under the maximum, 49:03.740 --> 49:11.600 and I don't think there's going to be little FCC guys jumping out from the bushes to write you a citation for any of that stuff. 49:11.720 --> 49:12.440 I'm sure there's exceptions. 49:12.440 --> 49:16.480 It's actually written in the rules that way, but that's very rare. 49:16.480 --> 49:30.060 But, you know, if you're in a situation like that, I mean, the thing about HF is – think of it as the beginnings of long-distance communications without wires. 49:30.220 --> 49:37.800 I mean, it's literally – you know, I can't guarantee that I can talk to you right now in Florida from Georgia, 49:37.980 --> 49:40.620 but I guarantee you that I can talk to somebody somewhere. 49:41.820 --> 49:42.660 Right, right. 49:42.660 --> 49:44.180 So it's not like a telephone. 49:45.160 --> 49:45.480 Exactly. 49:45.480 --> 49:51.800 You have to kind of get past the fact that it's not like a telephone where I don't know that I can dial stank dog up. 49:51.880 --> 49:52.880 It's not like that. 49:53.320 --> 49:54.080 Right, right. 49:54.180 --> 49:55.700 And that's exactly what we're talking about. 49:55.700 --> 49:57.620 It is communications in a more basic form. 49:57.860 --> 49:59.440 Yeah, it's exactly what we're talking about. 49:59.480 --> 50:03.560 It is an alternative form of communication that people need to know that's out there, 50:03.620 --> 50:05.920 and I wish more people actually did pursue it a little bit. 50:05.920 --> 50:16.520 So actually, let's follow up on what you kind of were just saying about not being sure that you could broadcast from, say, Atlanta to Florida, for example, but from Georgia to Florida. 50:16.520 --> 50:20.560 Well, actually, let's back up from that a little bit. 50:20.560 --> 50:24.620 Let's say somebody is listening to this, and they're like, you know what? 50:24.640 --> 50:30.360 It would be a good idea for me to have a backup form of communication, at least to listen. 50:31.000 --> 50:32.300 What would be the cheapest way? 50:32.360 --> 50:34.080 If somebody is listening right now and says, you know what? 50:34.120 --> 50:36.140 I should have an emergency scanner at my house. 50:36.140 --> 50:41.460 I should have a way to listen in on whether it's just emergency, like police, fire department, weather frequencies. 50:41.620 --> 50:50.200 I know you can buy a cheap one at, I won't mention any store names, but big retail discount stores, whatever you want to call them. 50:50.520 --> 50:53.380 You can buy them all day long or actually a lot of different places. 50:53.380 --> 51:00.280 But what about, like, a scanner that will have not only that, but will let you listen in on some of the ham frequency, some of the HF? 51:01.400 --> 51:09.560 Well, HF is going to be more difficult because you're talking about, at that point, you're talking about a shortwave receiver that can pick up single sideband. 51:09.900 --> 51:11.780 Okay, so tell us the layers. 51:12.020 --> 51:13.520 They can decode single sideband. 51:13.520 --> 51:21.180 I mean, there will be some people on AM, but in general, those are going to be more people that tinker with older radios and things like that, 51:21.180 --> 51:24.200 and you're not going to really have the emergency communications on there. 51:24.340 --> 51:28.960 So what you're going to be looking for, and I'm not exactly sure the price range of it, 51:28.980 --> 51:35.020 but you're talking about something that's going to be able to receive single sideband or what they sometimes call a BFO, 51:35.160 --> 51:41.400 which is called a beat frequency oscillator, for long-range communications. 51:41.400 --> 51:47.900 And at that point, when you're just talking about listening to something on HF, you're talking about a shortwave receiver, 51:47.900 --> 51:51.860 and the longer the piece of wire you can hang in the air, the better it's going to work. 51:52.360 --> 51:52.800 Right. 51:53.460 --> 51:53.900 Antenna. 51:53.940 --> 51:57.660 You know, now, when you're talking about something local, like a scanner, 51:58.000 --> 52:03.800 you're actually going to have a harder time listening to the police and the fire departments than you are ham radio 52:03.800 --> 52:09.520 because, unlike ham radio, they don't really want you to listen to more. 52:09.740 --> 52:10.980 Well, lately especially. 52:10.980 --> 52:17.140 Yeah, they put up trunking systems that you might hear part of a conversation but not even all of it 52:17.140 --> 52:21.960 unless you have this grossly expensive trunk tracking scanner and all this other stuff. 52:22.040 --> 52:27.920 But to listen to ham radio, listen to a weather radio retransmissions by NOAA, 52:28.480 --> 52:32.300 you're talking about $100 brand new, less than that on eBay, 52:32.300 --> 52:41.500 particularly because the trunking stuff and the digital radio stuff has forced a lot of this older equipment onto the eBay market. 52:42.940 --> 52:49.940 But even like right now, I actually went back to come up with just an example. 52:50.420 --> 52:57.080 The radio that I bought probably 13 years ago, which is an ICOM 735, 52:57.080 --> 53:06.900 I looked on eBay right now and there's one, this is an HF radio with 100-watt output, $222 current bid. 53:09.040 --> 53:12.060 So, you said that was 13 years old. 53:13.080 --> 53:14.260 That's 13 years old. 53:14.280 --> 53:22.560 And just to prove to our listeners, that's 13 years old and still works just as well today as it did 13 years ago. 53:22.560 --> 53:35.640 Well, I have a tube radio that's a Yaesu FT-101, which has a very long history of many different models and iterations and everything else. 53:35.740 --> 53:44.560 Now, it's a tube output radio, which actually has better sound quality than the transistorized ones, personal opinion. 53:44.560 --> 53:51.480 But it was made, I think the first model was made before I was born. 53:53.580 --> 53:59.120 But this one is probably, you know, like 30 years old. 53:59.600 --> 54:02.440 You were born like, what, 60, 65 years ago? 54:03.620 --> 54:04.000 Yeah. 54:04.480 --> 54:04.720 70? 54:04.720 --> 54:16.440 So, point being, that's just good reinforcement that what we were saying earlier about how the equipment and the, again, the protocols don't change. 54:16.560 --> 54:18.520 Speed doesn't change per se. 54:18.940 --> 54:25.920 The same equipment can still be bought, found cheaply for, at least for certain types of communications. 54:25.920 --> 54:39.660 Yeah, I mean, you know, granted, if you go down, I just looked on the, one of the catalogs of one of the major ham radio online resellers, and they have an $11,000 HF radio. 54:40.740 --> 54:43.280 Okay, that's a lot of money for an HF radio. 54:44.260 --> 54:48.300 And granted, it's got every bell, every whistle, everything known to man on it. 54:48.420 --> 54:48.660 Right. 54:48.660 --> 54:51.880 But it still talks to the $200 radio you buy off of eBay. 54:51.880 --> 54:57.080 Exactly, and you said there was a $100 one that maybe our listeners would be interested in on the low-end side of things? 54:57.840 --> 55:12.860 Yeah, there's a scanner that's like $100 that you'd be able to receive local communications on VHF repeaters or UHF repeaters, those being short-range, VHF being very high-frequency, UHF being ultra-high-frequency. 55:13.480 --> 55:13.740 Right. 55:13.860 --> 55:20.560 Now, that's all that I have, and that's all that I use to listen to local weather and stuff like that, and that gets the job done. 55:21.880 --> 55:26.540 That's going to be, you know, the easiest thing to hear about what's going on right where you are. 55:26.540 --> 55:43.240 Now, as far as listening to what's going on a lot farther away or what people are talking about, it actually kind of can cause some problems because somebody who's 100 miles away from you that's talking on HF, you may not be able to hear them. 55:43.240 --> 55:49.880 You can hear the person they're talking to, but you can't hear them, which, you know, it's not exactly like a telephone switchboard. 55:50.300 --> 55:50.740 Right. 55:50.740 --> 56:03.480 You know, but as far as you're dealing with something that it works, as long as there's some, not some major solar flare going on, it's going to work, and you're going to be able to talk to somebody somewhere. 56:04.400 --> 56:04.760 Right. 56:04.840 --> 56:05.120 Now… 56:05.120 --> 56:11.920 But it's not like a telephone, like you dial up, you know, 404 or 813 or 202 or 212. 56:12.140 --> 56:14.620 I mean, it's, that's really not the way that it works. 56:14.880 --> 56:16.300 Well, you're going to have to do some scanning. 56:16.420 --> 56:17.700 Yeah, you're going to have to understand that. 56:17.700 --> 56:19.280 Right, and you're going to have to do some scanning. 56:20.680 --> 56:22.040 You have to do a lot of listening. 56:22.220 --> 56:28.200 I mean, the key thing with ham radio is to do a lot more listening than you do talking, particularly at the beginning. 56:29.280 --> 56:46.320 I mean, I got into it from listening to a scanner locally, and then I heard some stuff on HF, on AM, on a shortwave receiver that I had, and then I went and took the class and took the first test and took the second test and took the third test and then waited a long time and then took the last test. 56:46.320 --> 56:47.840 Cool. 56:48.180 --> 56:49.100 Good, good stuff. 56:49.700 --> 56:53.580 All right, well, is there anything else we should mention before we go off here? 56:54.060 --> 56:55.200 Anything else comes to mind? 56:56.020 --> 57:04.320 Well, if you want to hear a longer discussion about ham radio and other versions of radio, myself… 57:04.760 --> 57:05.080 Saturday. 57:05.320 --> 57:12.560 …Bernie S., and a couple other people will be giving a presentation at Hope at the ungodly hour of 10 a.m. 57:12.560 --> 57:14.700 Oh, man, you're killing me waking… 57:14.700 --> 57:16.280 Want me to wake up in time for that? 57:17.520 --> 57:19.080 I expect you to be there. 57:19.260 --> 57:20.240 Attendance will be taken. 57:20.520 --> 57:22.440 I will be, absolutely, of course. 57:23.640 --> 57:33.340 There will be no quiz at the end, but you can optionally find a local test, although we will not be prepping you for a test, just having a general discussion. 57:33.340 --> 57:36.960 Good stuff, good stuff. 57:37.340 --> 57:41.420 So, yeah, we will definitely get together at Hope No. 6. 57:41.460 --> 57:42.760 Is that what they're calling it this year? 57:42.880 --> 57:43.440 Hope No. 6? 57:43.440 --> 57:44.080 Hope No. 6. 57:44.200 --> 57:44.840 The 6th Hope. 57:44.840 --> 57:46.940 And I'd also like to mention we're going to do a limited… 57:46.940 --> 57:51.880 If you have a ham radio license, bring your ham radio HT or whatever. 57:51.880 --> 58:04.200 We're going to have a limited number of contacts we have secured from the FCC, a special event call sign of November 6 Hotel or No. 6 Hope. 58:05.380 --> 58:06.940 Ah, interesting. 58:07.880 --> 58:08.940 Who pulled that one off? 58:09.840 --> 58:09.960 Me. 58:10.400 --> 58:11.540 All right, that's good. 58:12.320 --> 58:16.700 All right, so, yeah, 10 o'clock Saturday, 10 a.m. Saturday in New York City. 58:17.420 --> 58:17.900 So, be there. 58:17.900 --> 58:18.780 In New York City. 58:18.780 --> 58:27.620 And also, Friday night at 11 o'clock, you will be able to hear Binary Revolution Radio, Season 4, Episode 1. 58:27.740 --> 58:32.580 We mentioned it at the top of the show, so your attendance will be mandatory for that one. 58:32.860 --> 58:34.660 Hopefully, you'll come on the air for that episode as well. 58:35.160 --> 58:35.840 I will be there. 58:35.840 --> 58:42.840 All right, well, thank you for being on the show, Lynn, and we will move on and talk to our good friend, Mr. Parallel. 58:42.840 --> 58:55.880 As I said earlier, to talk about some survival skills, specifically some urban survival skills, I thought, who better to have on the show than our good old, old, old, did I mention old, how old you are? 58:55.880 --> 58:56.600 I'm not that old. 58:56.680 --> 58:57.600 Old friend. 58:58.480 --> 58:59.600 Hey, listen, it's me. 58:59.880 --> 59:01.520 Am I allowed to call anybody old? 59:01.620 --> 59:02.680 I mean, let's be honest here. 59:03.000 --> 59:04.240 Yeah, I think you're the older one. 59:04.240 --> 59:06.420 I'm a little older, but you're older than me. 59:06.420 --> 59:09.820 Well, I'm not the oldest person on this episode of the show, just to throw that out there. 59:10.620 --> 59:11.220 Our previous... 59:11.220 --> 59:13.420 Yeah, we know who's the oldest on the show. 59:14.660 --> 59:17.980 Anyway, okay, so, Dual Parallel, welcome to the show. 59:18.760 --> 59:19.600 What's up, Spank? 59:19.620 --> 59:20.600 Thank you for having me. 59:20.720 --> 59:21.580 Oh, no, please. 59:21.660 --> 59:30.360 I love having you on the show, and actually, we've got some surprises in a few minutes, and actually, surprise information from you coming up in a second, 59:30.360 --> 59:36.080 but for right now, let's stick with the theme of dependence, or independence, I should say, of technology, 59:36.400 --> 59:42.100 and what to do if you don't have your comforts of home and your cable modem, et cetera, et cetera, 59:42.100 --> 59:47.200 and you have to, I don't know, hack on your feet, hack on the fly when you don't have things? 59:48.300 --> 59:51.200 Yeah, this is a great topic. 59:51.840 --> 59:53.540 It's very apropos. 59:53.540 --> 01:00:04.560 So, I do a lot of traveling, so I deal with this a lot, everywhere from going out in the middle of the boonies to going to the biggest metropolises on the planet. 01:00:06.940 --> 01:00:14.660 I can talk about surviving with little tech or lots of tech in an urban environment better than out in the boonies, 01:00:14.660 --> 01:00:24.440 just because I haven't done that much, but I've, you know, literally had, you know, a pack of bull booms and, you know, 01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:30.920 a dollar six for two jack-in-a-box tacos to my name, you know, and still have to make phone calls. 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:32.820 So, that I can tell you. 01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:33.500 You're going to go get it? 01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:34.440 Yeah, I'll get it. 01:00:34.520 --> 01:00:34.940 All right, cool. 01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:37.160 All right. 01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:40.960 So, we're in an urban environment right now. 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:42.120 I don't know what's going on. 01:00:42.120 --> 01:00:44.020 I don't know what's going on, but hopefully it doesn't sound too bad. 01:00:44.020 --> 01:00:45.060 It doesn't sound raining at least. 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:45.560 Okay. 01:00:47.260 --> 01:00:51.440 So, let's start with living without technology. 01:00:51.600 --> 01:00:52.060 Is that cool? 01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:53.200 Yeah, absolutely. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:54.300 Okay. 01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:57.040 So, guess this. 01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:58.400 Everyone close your eyes. 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:04.400 Imagine, you've got, let's say you don't even have a car. 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.360 You've got your scooter, right? 01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:08.760 You're in a big city. 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:16.860 Maybe you're from a suburban area or a small town and you end up in a, you know, a good-sized city. 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:26.340 Quite a few, more and more people are going to be living in urban environs as the population grows and our world progresses. 01:01:26.340 --> 01:01:30.340 So, this is going to be more and more feasible as time goes on. 01:01:31.240 --> 01:01:32.400 So, you're in a big city. 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:33.720 Maybe you've got a laptop. 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:34.540 Maybe you don't. 01:01:34.740 --> 01:01:35.580 Maybe you've got a cell phone. 01:01:35.660 --> 01:01:36.260 Maybe you don't. 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:37.860 What do you do? 01:01:39.080 --> 01:01:40.300 Do you need connectivity? 01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:41.500 Probably not. 01:01:42.120 --> 01:01:44.560 You know, you can, believe it or not, you can find a job. 01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:45.320 You can live. 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:52.340 You can, you can, I know this is, for this audience, this is a horrible, this is a horrible blast for me. 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:56.100 You can survive without a connection to the internet. 01:01:56.580 --> 01:01:59.480 Well, no, that's exactly the theme of this episode of the show. 01:01:59.660 --> 01:02:02.620 And I, yeah, it's ironic that we're talking about that, but. 01:02:03.260 --> 01:02:06.800 Yeah, well, and this is what I'm trying to, this is the point that I'm making, 01:02:07.160 --> 01:02:13.120 is that the first thing you need to do is to realize that you don't need that, right? 01:02:13.120 --> 01:02:16.440 That's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a mindset. 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:20.180 And I know, you know, some people will say, you're an idiot for even saying that. 01:02:20.220 --> 01:02:24.120 Some people will say, well, you're an idiot for even, you can live with that internet connection. 01:02:25.020 --> 01:02:28.080 But that's your, the first thing you have to do is to think differently. 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.960 You can't go to Google for things now. 01:02:30.580 --> 01:02:31.980 You're going to have to be aware. 01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:33.420 You're going to have to think on your feet. 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.480 You're going to have to find stuff on your own, right? 01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:40.800 You probably still need to communicate with people. 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.100 You probably still need to be knowledgeable about the world around you. 01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:45.360 So how do you do that? 01:02:45.720 --> 01:02:51.560 One, of course, or one thing to do, one great resource is the newspaper, right? 01:02:51.660 --> 01:02:52.580 Your local rag. 01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:54.160 And you don't have to pay for it. 01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:56.280 You can find it free in many places. 01:02:56.440 --> 01:03:00.420 Go into Denny's, go into, I don't know, any coffee shop, right? 01:03:00.560 --> 01:03:03.360 Buy a cheap cup of Joe, and there's probably a paper laying around. 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.400 So there's your free paper. 01:03:04.520 --> 01:03:05.540 You've got your want ads. 01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:06.540 You've got your news. 01:03:06.540 --> 01:03:11.680 You've got your porno classified, but I know you love to read Sting. 01:03:11.820 --> 01:03:12.260 Absolutely. 01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:15.780 So there's one great aspect. 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.200 Also, phone calls. 01:03:19.180 --> 01:03:21.540 Long distance, maybe a little different. 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.180 We'll cover that next. 01:03:24.940 --> 01:03:26.800 Local calls are real easy to find. 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.380 Ask people, right? 01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:32.600 If you need to make a call, ask. 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.400 There are a lot of people that have courtesy phones, dealerships, oil change places. 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.460 Lots and lots of ways to get a free phone call. 01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:43.860 If you have a tone dialer, that'd be really nice, but I guess that's kind of getting away 01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:45.760 from not dealing with technology. 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:46.200 Right. 01:03:46.460 --> 01:03:50.280 And just to throw out something that I found that has all of the things you've mentioned, 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.560 free papers, free courtesy phones, et cetera, is even if you're not staying there, 01:03:54.660 --> 01:03:56.180 most hotels offer those things. 01:03:56.180 --> 01:03:58.460 Yeah, and that's... 01:03:58.460 --> 01:03:59.240 Walk right in the lobby. 01:04:00.140 --> 01:04:01.180 That's actually... 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:02.460 That's a good segue. 01:04:02.620 --> 01:04:03.440 We'll talk about... 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:04.840 Let me talk about long distance real quick. 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:06.220 You need to make a long distance call. 01:04:06.620 --> 01:04:07.480 Friends, of course... 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.420 Friends can actually have a lot of things, you know. 01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:13.140 If you literally are in the street, friends are your best resource. 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:14.580 Don't overstay. 01:04:14.660 --> 01:04:17.180 Welcome for Crono Loud, but you can... 01:04:17.180 --> 01:04:17.440 Right? 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:21.680 But if you need a bite, if you need a place to stay, you know, you can go to your in-law 01:04:21.680 --> 01:04:25.900 moment and get your needs filled temporarily, but, you know, be cool. 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:28.460 So it's right until you can pass it around. 01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:31.000 Long distance calls. 01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:37.520 Honestly, cell phones, if you're ever out in the booties, anywhere, if you're ever in 01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:41.500 the shits and you need to make a call, have a... 01:04:41.500 --> 01:04:42.580 And I don't care. 01:04:42.700 --> 01:04:44.980 I don't care if people like that or whatever. 01:04:45.180 --> 01:04:46.480 Have a freaking base box. 01:04:46.580 --> 01:04:49.920 Have yourself a small phone that you can clip on to something with. 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:50.380 Seriously. 01:04:50.740 --> 01:04:50.940 Yeah. 01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:51.860 That is the best. 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.260 When your cell phone doesn't work, there's a can somewhere where you can clip on to and 01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:55.860 make a call. 01:04:56.980 --> 01:04:57.460 Yeah, absolutely. 01:04:57.620 --> 01:05:02.760 I mentioned that exact thing earlier about the base boxing and just general freaking skills, 01:05:03.020 --> 01:05:04.960 which is absolutely what you're talking about. 01:05:05.020 --> 01:05:05.840 They come in handy. 01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:07.260 Absolutely. 01:05:07.720 --> 01:05:08.160 Absolutely. 01:05:08.160 --> 01:05:12.900 Next, we'll use that segue. 01:05:13.040 --> 01:05:14.420 Hotels, they're great. 01:05:14.580 --> 01:05:21.020 If you can look the part, and it's not hard depending on the hotel, you can get, like you 01:05:21.020 --> 01:05:28.160 said, everything, including internet connectivity, all in a hotel lobby without staying there. 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:30.940 You can BS if they call you out. 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.000 So you're good to go that way. 01:05:33.980 --> 01:05:34.820 Free breakfast? 01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:36.040 Yeah. 01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:37.180 Free wireless? 01:05:37.180 --> 01:05:38.620 You have to go to the breakfast. 01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:39.300 Exactly. 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.060 Listen, most hotels... 01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:42.820 And that's where we use that. 01:05:43.540 --> 01:05:47.740 No, I was saying most hotels, as you well are aware, there's so many people there, they 01:05:47.740 --> 01:05:49.840 can't really keep track of every single one of them. 01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:52.040 Most people probably would not call you out. 01:05:52.100 --> 01:05:53.680 Go to their free breakfast that they offer. 01:05:54.300 --> 01:05:58.140 They usually offer a free paper, or if they don't, there are papers laying around from the 01:05:58.140 --> 01:05:59.520 business people from the day. 01:06:00.520 --> 01:06:00.940 Oh, yeah. 01:06:01.120 --> 01:06:01.860 Some of them offer. 01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:02.300 Absolutely. 01:06:02.300 --> 01:06:07.800 And also, you know, again, don't go in with your low-off voice fight. 01:06:08.120 --> 01:06:11.820 You know, if you can, you know, be right, you know what I'm saying? 01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:22.540 Just kind of grow in, and you know, you can get in and out without even seeing a hotel 01:06:22.540 --> 01:06:26.580 personnel, definitely looking the part helps. 01:06:27.380 --> 01:06:27.780 Oh, yeah. 01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:28.340 You can do... 01:06:28.340 --> 01:06:30.660 It's amazing what you can do with a tie. 01:06:30.940 --> 01:06:31.460 Oh, my God. 01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:32.900 It's amazing what you can do with a tie. 01:06:32.900 --> 01:06:47.720 Continuing with food, a lot of bakeries, right, even like a coffee shop I go to, at a certain 01:06:47.720 --> 01:06:51.800 hour, they'll start slashing prices on their perishable goods, right? 01:06:51.860 --> 01:06:57.100 Their baked goods, they'll just, you know, they'll be nothing. 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:01.080 You know, you go in, okay, this will be 50 cents, you know, you can get a croissant or 01:07:01.080 --> 01:07:04.140 I don't know, whatever, to be clear, I don't know. 01:07:05.140 --> 01:07:07.060 You can always look for deals like that. 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:10.840 You don't even have to... 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:15.540 Friends also help in the food industry, but if you don't have friends, even like sweet 01:07:15.540 --> 01:07:20.440 pin somebody late at night, you know, closing time at the pizza joint or fast food joint, 01:07:20.700 --> 01:07:27.760 you can always get free food or real good deals, you know, you give them, buy, you know, 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.860 two tacos and they'll give you, you know, all the hamburgers they got left over. 01:07:31.080 --> 01:07:32.820 That works, they've done it a lot of times. 01:07:37.040 --> 01:07:42.320 There's, you know what, there's a great, oh, it's a PDF book and I can't remember what 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:42.740 it's called. 01:07:42.980 --> 01:07:48.500 I think it's called Rough Living and if I may give a shout out to Archangel, my brother 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:54.200 in the Great White North, he, you know, to it and it's a great read, real easy read and 01:07:54.200 --> 01:08:00.300 it's a PDF and it's an electronic book and it's about this guy who basically lives on 01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:00.720 the streets. 01:08:00.820 --> 01:08:05.820 He chooses to, he seems intelligent enough and he talks about great ways to survive. 01:08:06.060 --> 01:08:10.500 A lot of them are probably a little rougher than anyone, you know, than would need to 01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:12.600 be if he's got any type of resources. 01:08:12.600 --> 01:08:20.980 But it's a great, it is a great resource for a resource scarce environment. 01:08:20.980 --> 01:08:26.980 Well, and that's another good point and that might be a good segue into the next thing 01:08:26.980 --> 01:08:31.160 I kind of wanted to talk about and that's a little bit more general survival skills. 01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:36.720 And I, again, it's, first of all, it's ironic in this subject that we're talking about independence 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:40.880 from technology on a show that's generally all about technology and hacking. 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.780 First of all, that's ironic in and of itself. 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:48.860 Secondly, exactly what you just mentioned, that this is a PDF and e-book, but the use 01:08:48.860 --> 01:08:54.100 of technology now while you do have access to it and while you do have it available, playing 01:08:54.100 --> 01:08:57.300 games, there's nothing wrong with playing some games, but if you can find some useful 01:08:57.300 --> 01:09:02.960 information, especially that will help you pick up and learn those survival skills, it's 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:07.560 very ironic that you can use the global interweb to find such information that you'll be able 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.040 to then use later on if the need arises. 01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:12.100 Very good point. 01:09:12.620 --> 01:09:13.020 Exactly. 01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:17.400 If you've got the resources now, use them to better yourself so if you're in that situation, 01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:18.360 you can do that. 01:09:18.460 --> 01:09:22.760 Honestly, I can't stand camping and all that outdoors crap. 01:09:23.420 --> 01:09:24.240 F it, man. 01:09:24.320 --> 01:09:26.340 I want concrete under my feet, okay? 01:09:28.240 --> 01:09:32.680 You know, but if I can know how to use Google to search the Internet, right, and find this 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:37.540 PDF and read it in my library, you know, so if, you know, if I have, you know, 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.360 fit the skids, then I'll be, you know, I'll be prepared. 01:09:40.480 --> 01:09:43.120 I'll be that much, you know, that much better for that situation. 01:09:46.420 --> 01:09:53.160 If I may, Stank, having a knife, no matter where you are or what you're doing, is a great, 01:09:53.260 --> 01:09:54.120 great idea. 01:09:54.940 --> 01:09:56.520 Unless you're getting on an airplane. 01:09:57.820 --> 01:09:58.460 Oh, yeah. 01:09:58.700 --> 01:10:00.040 Well, you can always check it. 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.020 If you can't check a bag, you can always check that, but yeah, don't take it in the airport. 01:10:04.020 --> 01:10:09.380 But having a good knife, a good blade, you know, spend the money, it's a great, it's 01:10:09.380 --> 01:10:10.580 a tool, right? 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.040 Absolutely. 01:10:11.420 --> 01:10:15.760 It could be used for self-defense, but if you need to strip wires for whatever reason, 01:10:16.280 --> 01:10:17.160 you've got it. 01:10:17.240 --> 01:10:19.320 Get something with duration, something that's easy to sharpen. 01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.880 Definitely, definitely, if you can have a blade handy at all times. 01:10:24.200 --> 01:10:24.300 I do. 01:10:24.380 --> 01:10:25.180 I don't have my nails. 01:10:25.280 --> 01:10:28.040 I just flew today, but, and I feel naked without it. 01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:37.420 So, so that, I guess, did it actually go into too much, like, how to find technology with 01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:38.340 that thing, you know what I mean? 01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:43.240 Did I, the, because that was the, that was the section of how to deal without it, I guess. 01:10:43.360 --> 01:10:43.720 Right. 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.060 And I guess mostly without internet connectivity. 01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:49.900 No, I think that's some good advice in there. 01:10:49.900 --> 01:10:51.560 Okay, can I, you think so? 01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:52.360 Yeah, absolutely. 01:10:53.300 --> 01:10:55.880 Well, good, and believe me, these work, by the way. 01:10:55.980 --> 01:10:58.900 Oh, public, oh, also, public transit rocks. 01:10:59.080 --> 01:11:04.060 Oh, my God, I wish I lived in somewhere, you know, in a town, in a city, where they actually 01:11:04.060 --> 01:11:09.460 had some semblance of civic planning, and we had a wonderful public transit system, but 01:11:09.460 --> 01:11:14.880 I don't, it's, we're cursed with these horrible, horrible, you know, shameless society that 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:15.500 is the automobile. 01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:21.020 Public transit owns, where I live. 01:11:21.020 --> 01:11:24.040 There's, there's, there's Wi-Fi on the buses, okay? 01:11:24.360 --> 01:11:24.660 Mm-hmm. 01:11:24.660 --> 01:11:29.680 Um, so, that's, that's one plus, but just using it, um, and using it wisely, I'm sure 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.880 everybody knows about the old transfer trick, right? 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:35.120 You get your, you get the transfer, and then you just kind of wave it in the guy's face, 01:11:35.120 --> 01:11:37.180 and you get on, you know, all day long. 01:11:37.260 --> 01:11:38.960 You can ride all day with, you know, one transfer. 01:11:39.400 --> 01:11:40.760 It works great. 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:46.240 Um, not, you know, that's not, that's kidding, stealing, is it? 01:11:46.300 --> 01:11:47.880 I mean, I'm just saying, you know, bees. 01:11:48.660 --> 01:11:50.700 That's, uh, that's, uh, using the system. 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.560 That's his job to check the tickets, right? 01:11:53.180 --> 01:11:54.320 That's right, exactly. 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:56.540 So, use public transit, it's cool. 01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:59.100 I, I actually enjoy it more so than driving. 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:04.280 Um, so I guess that's the whole getting around and, and, and, and living in, what, was it 01:12:04.280 --> 01:12:04.800 10 minutes? 01:12:05.220 --> 01:12:06.320 Without technology. 01:12:06.480 --> 01:12:08.060 Without internet connectivity, mostly. 01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:08.800 Yeah. 01:12:09.020 --> 01:12:10.160 And you still make phone calls. 01:12:10.160 --> 01:12:15.180 Well, and, and just to, I think a good closing statement, and I think you'll completely agree 01:12:15.180 --> 01:12:20.040 with me on this, I'm pretty sure, is, and it kind of goes back to what we both just said, 01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:24.920 is use the access that you have right now, and do that research, and find out how to, 01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:29.380 how to live on your own, how to survive without the same connectivity that you've grown very 01:12:29.380 --> 01:12:33.920 accustomed to, and reliant, and dependent on right now, because, and this is, I think 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.620 you'll agree with me here, you never know when it's going to go away. 01:12:37.620 --> 01:12:39.660 That's right, absolutely. 01:12:39.780 --> 01:12:48.440 Could be any, any millions, dozens of reasons, whether it's financial, whether it's, um, I 01:12:48.440 --> 01:12:51.940 mean, gosh, I could go into a huge list, and there could be any number of reasons to 01:12:51.940 --> 01:12:53.380 an alien Armageddon. 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:59.180 Yes, actually, because that's actually going to happen, I'm glad you brought that up. 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.660 There's going to be, there's going to be an alien invasion, we're going to have a massive 01:13:03.660 --> 01:13:09.580 EMP pulse, um, that's going to envelop, and every electronic device will be inoperable, 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:11.800 so start learning this stuff now, everyone. 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.120 Yeah, where, where, where will you be? 01:13:14.380 --> 01:13:17.260 You know, oh, you know what else, you know, you know who we should be pimping right now, 01:13:17.320 --> 01:13:19.940 we, neither one of us, we should be ashamed of ourselves. 01:13:20.940 --> 01:13:21.780 Sean Kennedy. 01:13:23.200 --> 01:13:26.640 Yeah, this is, this is very SK, PSM-esque. 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:33.440 Oh, I can't believe we didn't, yeah, listen, you know what, watch, and his show, I tell 01:13:33.440 --> 01:13:38.560 you what, the, uh, patrolling with Sean Kennedy is great, that is, that, that is entertainment, 01:13:38.660 --> 01:13:43.000 my friends, uh, the show, the, the radio show's good, and personally, if you're going 01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.700 to, if you're going to use some bandwidth, grab patrolling with Sean Kennedy, that is 01:13:46.700 --> 01:13:48.060 some good stuff to watch. 01:13:48.440 --> 01:13:49.180 Good stuff. 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:50.540 All right, well. 01:13:51.040 --> 01:13:54.280 Our surprise is not here right now, you know what, I could go, you know what, this is going 01:13:54.280 --> 01:13:56.520 to be an adventure right now, because you never know what's going to happen. 01:13:57.180 --> 01:14:00.420 So, if you can hang with me for a moment, we're going to go on an adventure. 01:14:00.820 --> 01:14:01.460 All right. 01:14:02.220 --> 01:14:07.280 It's just because the surprise is, for some reason, not here, I don't know what the deal 01:14:07.280 --> 01:14:12.100 is, so we're, we're getting out, we got the keys, we're going to lock it. 01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:14.760 A little urban exploration, live on the radio? 01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:20.540 Sort of, yeah, we're, uh, we got to find the surprise, because I thought it'd be quick, 01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:21.740 but it wasn't, so. 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:23.300 Well, that's what you get. 01:14:23.320 --> 01:14:25.420 I don't even see it, there he is, he's at the counter. 01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:29.480 Our surprise, of course, is a, is another co-host there. 01:14:31.540 --> 01:14:36.720 Okay, this is, I don't know, we've already done the segment, and you're up next. 01:14:37.080 --> 01:14:37.840 Oh, thank you. 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:39.680 Is it, what's, what's going on? 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:40.400 In like 15 minutes. 01:14:40.400 --> 01:14:41.140 Yeah, seriously. 01:14:41.740 --> 01:14:42.480 Give me your phone. 01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:43.860 Here, all right, here's, here's the prize. 01:14:44.060 --> 01:14:44.300 All right. 01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:52.960 All right, so our surprise on this episode is, none other than Bland Inquisitor himself, 01:14:53.280 --> 01:14:56.440 or for old time's sake, the Bland Inquizzle nipple. 01:14:57.320 --> 01:14:59.100 Oh, Bland Inquizzle nipple. 01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:02.800 Oh, so we're talking about survival skills. 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.600 First of all, welcome back for being on the show for a long time. 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:09.640 I'm sure everybody likes to hear from you once in a while, and, um, but specifically, 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.960 we're talking about, uh, some survival skills. 01:15:12.080 --> 01:15:16.100 Dool talked about some urban survival skills and stuff, but I wanted to talk to you because 01:15:16.100 --> 01:15:20.300 I know, because we've known each other for a while, and I was pretty sure that you and 01:15:20.300 --> 01:15:23.820 I have one thing in common, that we were both in the Boy Scouts when we were younger. 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:24.460 Is that true? 01:15:25.160 --> 01:15:31.200 Well, you tend to represent, you know, I don't think the Boy Scouts are all that gangster 01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:34.200 as I remember them, but, sure, we'll go with that. 01:15:34.900 --> 01:15:36.100 They were in South Dallas. 01:15:36.620 --> 01:15:40.020 Oh, all right, well, yeah, I guess it depends on where, if you're the Scouts in the Hood, 01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:41.120 the Hood Scouts or something. 01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:42.100 Yeah. 01:15:42.660 --> 01:15:47.020 Um, but no, but seriously, um, we talked about some urban survival skills, but I also, you 01:15:47.020 --> 01:15:51.360 know, want to point out that general, normal survival skills are also something very important 01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:51.740 to have. 01:15:51.740 --> 01:15:56.220 If you lose technology, if you lose access, you don't have the global interweb, et cetera, 01:15:56.340 --> 01:16:00.560 your PlayStation blows up, whatever the case may be, or the alien Armageddon that Dool 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.460 just mentioned a minute ago, have those survival skills. 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:09.260 And I think the Boy Scouts, and maybe, uh, you can verify this or confirm this, is you learn 01:16:09.260 --> 01:16:11.240 a lot of those survival skills even when you're younger. 01:16:11.240 --> 01:16:12.240 Sure. 01:16:12.240 --> 01:16:12.420 Sure. 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:17.760 And, you know, that's, um, this is something, you know, to take it to the old school, way 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:22.740 back in the way back, you know, when, uh, when, you know, you were using webcrawler to 01:16:22.740 --> 01:16:29.000 look for hacking sites, you know, uh, it would always be HPAV, you know, S, and there was 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:33.100 always that element, the survivalist people were always in there, the anarchy people were 01:16:33.100 --> 01:16:39.100 always in there, and so it's something that's deep in the community, since, uh, since of 01:16:39.100 --> 01:16:42.800 being able to start fire without matches, you know, to be able to survive on your own, 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:47.060 to be, to be reliant on no one but yourself, uh, certainly it's something that we all did 01:16:47.060 --> 01:16:51.560 for our education, uh, especially as the scene or the community or whatever you want to call 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:57.840 that, uh, the skill set, uh, the, the, the life of being, you know, Haxor, that's, that's 01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:02.460 something that we did ourselves on largely, and it's, and it falls right in, uh, to be 01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:06.020 able to, to rely on no one but yourself for your own survival. 01:17:06.700 --> 01:17:07.140 Absolutely. 01:17:07.340 --> 01:17:10.400 The shit jumps off, or if the zombie revolution comes, or whatever happens. 01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:11.100 Right. 01:17:11.240 --> 01:17:16.540 Uh, that no matter what goes down, and that we'll be the people that live to repopulate the 01:17:16.540 --> 01:17:16.860 earth. 01:17:16.860 --> 01:17:21.540 I mean, uh, Hacker is the beginning of, you know, the cyborg, and the cyborg is the 01:17:21.540 --> 01:17:26.140 next, you know, step in the evolutionary ladder of, of Homo sapiens, so. 01:17:26.580 --> 01:17:26.940 Wow. 01:17:27.480 --> 01:17:29.000 Wow, that's a pretty big leap there. 01:17:29.060 --> 01:17:29.920 That's a pretty big leap. 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:31.520 Well, you know. 01:17:31.780 --> 01:17:33.300 You know, do what you gotta do, right? 01:17:33.540 --> 01:17:36.280 Well, and you know, making fire, you talked about, that's something you learn about in 01:17:36.280 --> 01:17:36.720 the Scouts. 01:17:37.100 --> 01:17:38.980 Cooking, tying knot, first aid. 01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.560 First aid is something that you're definitely kind of, you know, in the coming zombie invasion, 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:44.220 as you said. 01:17:44.780 --> 01:17:46.700 And your skills, your PlayStation. 01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:47.280 It's totally important. 01:17:47.280 --> 01:17:51.300 Yeah, your, your Xbox and PlayStation zombie shooting skills may come into play. 01:17:52.260 --> 01:17:53.980 Well, yeah, that's, that's practice and training. 01:17:54.060 --> 01:17:55.440 It's like the last Starfighter, man. 01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:56.200 There you go. 01:17:56.280 --> 01:17:58.060 Oh, man, what a great movie. 01:17:58.600 --> 01:17:59.940 Oh, I gotta watch that tonight now. 01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.220 Why'd you have to stick that in my head? 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:02.920 Oh, it's lead shit. 01:18:03.140 --> 01:18:03.360 Yeah. 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:07.200 And, and you know, hunting and fishing, and Duel kind of made a joke earlier that he wasn't 01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:11.100 really into the whole camping and out in the tent and the woods and stuff, but I'm 01:18:11.100 --> 01:18:11.740 kind of into that. 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:12.800 I enjoy that kind of thing. 01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.800 And you learn a lot of skills out there that, hey, you never know. 01:18:15.980 --> 01:18:19.160 I mean, I know we're just joking about this kind of stuff, but you never know when something 01:18:19.160 --> 01:18:19.680 might happen. 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:20.440 You really don't. 01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:25.720 I mean, there was a huge, um, power outage in California not too long ago with, uh, was 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:26.200 it Enron? 01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:30.580 That whole, who was, what was the company out there that lost all their power? 01:18:30.580 --> 01:18:31.740 Oh, man. 01:18:32.940 --> 01:18:33.700 What the hell? 01:18:34.100 --> 01:18:37.560 Oh, oh, there was just a big ass, uh, Thunderside. 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:38.280 And you got old. 01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:40.240 And Duel, and Duel just owned me. 01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:41.420 That sucked real bad. 01:18:42.180 --> 01:18:44.860 Well, we're going to leave that in the show for the listeners then. 01:18:46.180 --> 01:18:47.260 Oh, my bad. 01:18:47.420 --> 01:18:48.380 Oh, man. 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:51.260 I just, I just shit in my pants. 01:18:51.280 --> 01:18:53.500 I was going to say, do you need to clean yourself up now? 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:55.160 What's that? 01:18:55.420 --> 01:18:57.220 I said, do you need to clean yourself up now? 01:18:58.100 --> 01:19:00.560 Yeah, as far as you, I got the, uh, I got the leather interior. 01:19:00.740 --> 01:19:03.100 So we just take it to a car wash and just spray it right off. 01:19:03.380 --> 01:19:04.340 Ah, there you go. 01:19:05.040 --> 01:19:07.100 Just go through the car wash with the windows down? 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:08.700 Yeah, the sunroof open. 01:19:08.820 --> 01:19:10.160 We'll be, we'll be, we'll be squared away. 01:19:10.260 --> 01:19:10.620 It'll be all right. 01:19:10.740 --> 01:19:11.160 You look good. 01:19:11.480 --> 01:19:18.000 But, yeah, I mean, everything, really everything is training if you'll, if you'll let it be. 01:19:18.860 --> 01:19:25.100 Uh, everything, you have to assume that one day shit's going to go south badly and for, 01:19:25.100 --> 01:19:25.720 for keeps. 01:19:27.100 --> 01:19:27.360 Yep. 01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:33.880 And so, you know, it's better, it's better to learn now how to, you know, actually take 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:34.460 care of yourself. 01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:37.280 Because the problem, you know, it's the Tyler Durden syndrome. 01:19:37.440 --> 01:19:38.580 We've got no great war. 01:19:38.980 --> 01:19:40.360 We're the middle children of history. 01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:42.820 We're the bastard sons of the founding fathers. 01:19:42.820 --> 01:19:45.580 And so, and we're all a bunch of pussies. 01:19:46.200 --> 01:19:49.740 You know, it would do you good to walk around without your shirt on every now and again. 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:54.380 And it would do you, it would serve you well to put down the goddamn Xbox controllers and 01:19:54.380 --> 01:19:55.820 go take a walk every now and again. 01:19:57.100 --> 01:20:00.880 It would do you well to save up a bunch of money and fucking just go walk around Tokyo 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:02.640 with no plans and not learn the language. 01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.120 Well, me and dude are doing tomorrow, you know what I mean? 01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:06.120 I was going to say that. 01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:10.060 And go and fucking do and learn what to fucking do for yourself and stop being such a goddamn 01:20:10.060 --> 01:20:10.740 titty baby. 01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:11.940 There you go. 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:14.940 Well, that's, that's a good segue because that's how I was going to kind of close out 01:20:14.940 --> 01:20:20.400 of this is pimp the fact that you and Mr. Parallel are going to be taking a very interesting 01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:20.740 trip. 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:22.220 Oh, yes. 01:20:22.660 --> 01:20:24.920 We're going to go bump around Tokyo tomorrow. 01:20:25.180 --> 01:20:26.180 I'm so jealous. 01:20:26.820 --> 01:20:28.440 Yeah, it's going to be hot. 01:20:28.540 --> 01:20:30.000 It's the best shit ever. 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:36.800 Yeah, I'm so jealous of that and you are going to get lots of good pictures and are 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.320 you going to do some blogging of what's going on there too or? 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:43.480 Yeah, you can, you can catch it at Sibian dot, no, I'm just kidding. 01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:47.700 Tokyo dot duals and noob dot com. 01:20:48.300 --> 01:20:52.820 That'll be, we're going to bump some audio, no video because we're not taking the tag, 01:20:53.360 --> 01:20:57.840 shit loads of pictures, just everything, all the media and lots of media that we can come 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:06.420 up with, we'll be putting it up there nightly from, from, from ill gotten, from however 01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:08.660 the fuck we can get net access, I'll say that. 01:21:08.820 --> 01:21:15.100 Well, you use those urban, urban survival skills to do what you got to do in Tokyo and make 01:21:15.100 --> 01:21:18.320 sure you come back and tell us the stories of exactly how it went and what kind of cool 01:21:18.320 --> 01:21:22.160 stuff you found because it's a whole different society as I'm sure you're well aware and 01:21:22.160 --> 01:21:26.280 that's what you're looking forward to and that's why I'm freaking jealous as hell, but 01:21:26.280 --> 01:21:30.320 your goal, of course, you're going over there, first of all, to find the chick that goes, 01:21:30.440 --> 01:21:31.740 arf, arf, 911 information. 01:21:33.480 --> 01:21:39.880 Okay, that's your, that's your, that's your number one goal. 01:21:40.380 --> 01:21:44.000 Your number two goal, of course, and, and, you know, I mean this in all seriousness, good 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:45.180 luck with the bukkake film. 01:21:45.280 --> 01:21:48.940 I really want you guys, I want you to be successful, I want you to make a lot of money on this, 01:21:48.940 --> 01:21:53.140 so I want, you know, I want you to go over there, I want you to concentrate, store up, 01:21:53.360 --> 01:21:56.580 so don't, you know, get yourself all backed up so that when it comes bukkake time, you 01:21:56.580 --> 01:21:57.060 can deliver. 01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:58.160 Okay? 01:21:58.160 --> 01:22:01.400 We've been eating lots of, uh, we've been feeding each other spaghetti like Lady and 01:22:01.400 --> 01:22:06.800 the Tramp and shit, and so, uh, when it comes time for us to blow our nuts over some Asian 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:11.500 19-year-old, you know, down there, we can, we can do that with, uh, with skill and expediency. 01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:15.120 And buy some, buy some schoolgirl panties out of a vending machine. 01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:18.860 Yeah, you're, you're definitely going to need to look for some of those coming to you in 01:22:18.860 --> 01:22:24.260 the mail, because we, as soon as we find the, the mythical panty machine, we're probably 01:22:24.260 --> 01:22:25.420 going to clean the fucker out. 01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:31.020 You guys are going to go max out your credit cards buying panties out of a vending machine. 01:22:31.620 --> 01:22:32.480 Oh, shit. 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:33.840 I, I'm going to be scared. 01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:38.020 If I see a package that comes from Tokyo, I'm going to be scared to open it. 01:22:38.540 --> 01:22:39.140 I'll probably... 01:22:39.140 --> 01:22:40.780 You guys are a little bit like you, sushi? 01:22:40.780 --> 01:22:45.260 Oh, it's, I'm probably going to get, like, something like fucking panty Sars or some 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:45.880 shit like that. 01:22:46.020 --> 01:22:47.560 I mean, fucking, I mean... 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:50.740 You're going to get the, you're going to get the flu, coochie variant. 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:52.980 Oh, shit, man. 01:22:53.540 --> 01:22:57.300 All right, well, anyway, let's, let's close up on that note. 01:22:57.700 --> 01:22:59.220 Uh, you guys have a good time. 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:01.640 I would like to close on a, on coochie flu. 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.460 There you go, the coochie flu's always good stuff. 01:23:05.180 --> 01:23:06.040 Oh, man. 01:23:06.040 --> 01:23:11.040 All right, well, we are going to move on and talk about a couple other things and do a 01:23:11.040 --> 01:23:16.200 little bit of email, but definitely thanks to Mr. Dual Parallel and Mr. Blandin Quizzer, 01:23:16.300 --> 01:23:21.560 both alive and kicking, so it's good to have you guys on the show, and, of course, we talk 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:26.340 off the show as well, but I'm sure a lot of people like hearing from you guys, so let 01:23:26.340 --> 01:23:30.280 them know that you're okay, enjoy Tokyo, and we will talk to you guys later. 01:23:31.100 --> 01:23:32.020 All right, thanks a lot. 01:23:32.120 --> 01:23:32.800 Say it a lot, thanks. 01:23:33.060 --> 01:23:33.580 Talk to you later. 01:23:34.320 --> 01:23:34.740 All righty. 01:23:34.740 --> 01:23:38.560 All right, so Penis is back, I mean, Droops is back on the show. 01:23:39.380 --> 01:23:39.660 Sweet. 01:23:40.140 --> 01:23:44.640 And, um, yeah, this has been kind of a fun show with lots of different, uh, people on 01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:49.780 this time, but, uh, some very, very, um, very, very fun topic as it turned out. 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.220 I didn't think it was going to be so, uh, off the wall, but it turned out pretty fun. 01:23:53.540 --> 01:23:58.900 Uh, before we completely leave out of this, we're kind of talking about, um, survival skills, 01:23:59.020 --> 01:24:03.760 urban survival, we kind of talked about even, you know, roughing it if the need be, uh, 01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:06.140 uh, and that's kind of what you're going to be doing. 01:24:06.240 --> 01:24:09.720 You've got something coming up there in, uh, Mississippi sometime soon, right? 01:24:10.220 --> 01:24:14.080 Well, not anytime soon, but yes, certainly, uh, something coming up. 01:24:14.340 --> 01:24:16.660 Well, when I say soon, it's next year, right? 01:24:17.020 --> 01:24:20.460 It's, uh, not this year, but next year, around, uh, Thanksgiving, we're going to have 01:24:20.460 --> 01:24:20.940 HayCon. 01:24:21.940 --> 01:24:22.260 HayCon? 01:24:22.260 --> 01:24:25.740 And it's going to be a HackerCon out in the field. 01:24:27.500 --> 01:24:28.140 Thus the name Hay. 01:24:28.140 --> 01:24:29.100 Which makes no sense. 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.360 Is that what the Hay comes from, or is Hay an acronym for something? 01:24:32.820 --> 01:24:33.120 No. 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:37.020 No, I'm going to be making a little bed on some hay and camping out. 01:24:37.200 --> 01:24:38.060 Oh, okay. 01:24:39.040 --> 01:24:44.920 But, uh, we're trying to find a barn, but, uh, we're going to have a HackerCon with no 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:51.460 technology of sorts, where it's all about the mindset of the hacker, not the actual computers. 01:24:51.460 --> 01:24:54.400 There's, I mean, no one uses their computer when they go to a con anyway. 01:24:55.380 --> 01:24:56.160 Yeah, right. 01:24:57.120 --> 01:24:59.760 Well, unless you're presenting, and then just bring it on a disc. 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:02.920 But we're going to have, uh, people camping out. 01:25:03.320 --> 01:25:05.220 There's not going to be any admission charges. 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:10.760 Just get your stuff to, uh, Mississippi and do what we can come up with. 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:12.000 All right. 01:25:12.080 --> 01:25:12.680 Sounds good. 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:14.680 And you said that sometime next year, around when? 01:25:15.120 --> 01:25:15.700 Uh, Thanksgiving. 01:25:16.100 --> 01:25:16.460 Thanksgiving. 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:21.240 So HayCon, BarnCon, whatever it ends up being, you will keep us informed of that, I'm sure. 01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:22.220 Oh, yeah. 01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:23.680 And it's HayCon.info. 01:25:24.620 --> 01:25:24.980 Really? 01:25:25.080 --> 01:25:26.120 Have you already got that registered, or? 01:25:26.280 --> 01:25:26.840 Oh, yeah, buddy. 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:27.360 Oh, cool. 01:25:27.580 --> 01:25:27.860 All right. 01:25:27.900 --> 01:25:28.260 Good deal. 01:25:28.620 --> 01:25:30.400 Don't say the main name that you're not registered. 01:25:30.700 --> 01:25:31.380 Oh, exactly. 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:34.360 Um, well, we do sometimes, but, because we don't care. 01:25:34.360 --> 01:25:40.340 But anyway, um, yeah, I guess to summarize the whole flow or main topic today is that, 01:25:40.440 --> 01:25:44.160 yes, we're hackers, we're in closely in tune with technology and all that kind of stuff, 01:25:44.220 --> 01:25:45.640 but don't lose sight of the real world. 01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:46.440 It's out there. 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:51.400 It exists, and you better be able to adapt and deal with it when change happens, which 01:25:51.400 --> 01:25:53.480 it inevitably does. 01:25:53.480 --> 01:25:58.560 So, we can reduce our dependence on a lot of things, on some things, and have emergency 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:04.100 backup plans ready, et cetera, or just preparation for change being the right state of mind. 01:26:04.580 --> 01:26:07.900 Now, normally we would go on to some email here, but quite honestly, we don't have any 01:26:07.900 --> 01:26:08.160 time. 01:26:08.240 --> 01:26:09.680 We had such a full show this time. 01:26:10.140 --> 01:26:15.960 Um, I will make, I will briefly, I want to at least mention that I got an email from 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:20.500 Lentium, uh, who pointed out that I have been making, uh, been having some problems with 01:26:20.500 --> 01:26:21.080 the audio. 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:26.880 No one else has told me this, but basically I had forgotten to change the setting in Audacity. 01:26:27.020 --> 01:26:31.500 I just installed it on this new box, um, when I took over for Ratchet, when he took his 01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:34.620 little hiatus there, so I didn't even notice it, didn't pay attention. 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:36.960 I was just throwing the stuff on the box to get it going. 01:26:37.540 --> 01:26:39.180 So, Lentium, thank you for pointing that out. 01:26:39.260 --> 01:26:42.240 Hopefully you'll notice a difference in this, uh, this episode. 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:43.680 What setting is it? 01:26:44.160 --> 01:26:50.360 Um, the audio on the, uh, normalization, I had it set to negative three decibels box 01:26:50.360 --> 01:26:53.680 check, so simply unchecking the box took care of it. 01:26:53.700 --> 01:26:55.340 It was a little bit off-center, so to speak. 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:56.140 Good deal. 01:26:56.400 --> 01:26:58.280 So, um, thank you for that, Lentium. 01:26:58.280 --> 01:27:02.020 And other than that, let's close out the show with some shouts. 01:27:02.240 --> 01:27:06.340 Um, I've actually got quite a few, so why don't you start off the shouts this week, Droopy? 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:08.900 I just want to shout out to all the Info Crew. 01:27:09.580 --> 01:27:10.700 The Info Crew. 01:27:10.900 --> 01:27:13.920 Is that crew with, like, a K, like, Crush Groove crew, or? 01:27:14.360 --> 01:27:14.760 Yes. 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:15.420 All right. 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:16.340 It's K with a crew. 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:16.900 Gotcha. 01:27:17.700 --> 01:27:23.120 Well, I, um, have to give shout outs to the gang down in Houston, the Houston 2600 01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:25.400 slash BinRev meeting, whatever they are. 01:27:25.400 --> 01:27:29.920 They just meet, like, every week, and they were really cool guys, and, uh, I was down 01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:34.300 there recently, and they were very, uh, accommodating and welcoming to me, and I appreciate that. 01:27:34.360 --> 01:27:36.160 So, big, big shouts to all those guys. 01:27:36.660 --> 01:27:43.560 And to the BR843 meeting in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, who had a huge first meeting 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:44.780 from what I heard. 01:27:44.900 --> 01:27:47.600 Pretty, pretty good turnout for that, so good luck with that, guys. 01:27:47.620 --> 01:27:49.340 And let me know if there's anything I can do to help out. 01:27:49.340 --> 01:27:55.100 And I have to give shouts to Iron Geek, who sent in an email, a lot of information about 01:27:55.100 --> 01:27:55.420 Vista. 01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:58.840 I was hoping to get him on that Vista episode, and we didn't get the timing worked out. 01:27:59.220 --> 01:28:00.000 But shouts to him. 01:28:00.020 --> 01:28:02.580 He did send me an email with a lot of good Vista information. 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.940 Unfortunately, we didn't have time to do it this week. 01:28:05.400 --> 01:28:10.140 So maybe we'll do a part two of that Vista Beta 2 review sometime soon, and maybe get him 01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:10.380 on. 01:28:10.380 --> 01:28:16.820 Uh, site of the week this week is, uh, as we kind of mentioned earlier, it's Tokyo, T-O-K-Y-O, 01:28:16.980 --> 01:28:25.200 dot, Duel is a Noob, D-U-A-L-I-S-A-N-O-O-B dot com, Duel is a Noob dot com. 01:28:25.700 --> 01:28:30.760 And, uh, by the time you're listening to this, the fireworks are settling down, and Duel Parallel 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:35.640 and Bland Inquisitor are on their way to Japan first thing in the morning, so keep up with 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.400 their blog, and they'll let you know what's going on. 01:28:37.400 --> 01:28:42.680 Uh, if you have any feedback of any kind, um, or you like us just randomly shouting out 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:47.620 Penis during the show, whatever works, uh, send the radio, send us email to radio at 01:28:47.620 --> 01:28:48.700 BinRev dot com. 01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:52.840 Closing music this week is from Jesse Dangerously. 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:57.440 It's a track called Outfox that I like, so that's going to do it. 01:28:57.500 --> 01:29:00.900 Droops, anything else in the, uh, closing part of the show here you wanted to bring up? 01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:02.420 Uh, you got it, buddy. 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:02.960 Penis? 01:29:03.780 --> 01:29:04.180 Penis. 01:29:04.180 --> 01:29:05.260 See you guys next week. 01:29:05.360 --> 01:29:06.100 Same hack time! 01:29:06.100 --> 01:29:07.760 Same hack channel. 01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:18.100 One, two, three, four! 01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:20.240 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:20.740 --> 01:29:22.340 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:22.340 --> 01:29:24.340 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:24.340 --> 01:29:30.340 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:30.340 --> 01:29:42.340 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:42.340 --> 01:29:52.340 That people are under the assumption! 01:29:52.340 --> 01:29:55.920 When you go step with this guy and the whole world steps against life. 01:29:56.140 --> 01:29:59.060 It's like, get right, live the rest of this life. 01:29:59.060 --> 01:30:01.700 And don't bring anything else to the fifth side. 01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:04.400 It looks like I'm not myself, I just might. 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:07.580 Break my toe, break, ooh, break it, oh, this my face hurts. 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:11.700 Danger, take control, I hate to make the bad situation worse. 01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:14.220 Girl, your friend don't give a shit, your ass is facing first. 01:30:14.440 --> 01:30:17.320 Try the dice and send your face first to the nurse station for dirt. 01:30:17.480 --> 01:30:20.160 Work in my patients, gonna see how all my patients work. 01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:21.900 Get comfortable to lay in some dirt. 01:30:21.900 --> 01:30:24.780 Armament, see how you like it, and if you want it permanent. 01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:27.620 Now I'm psychic and mad, but not the violent side. 01:30:27.620 --> 01:30:29.620 When I ignite the mic, it's my dynamite. 01:30:30.200 --> 01:30:32.780 Sing a silent night, styling like a hot curler. 01:30:33.040 --> 01:30:35.260 Back burner, keep it on like a pilot light. 01:30:35.380 --> 01:30:37.880 Brining on the mind of cash, shining with my diamond mind. 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:40.420 Biding my own fine divine, shining on the final line. 01:30:40.500 --> 01:30:41.880 I don't find my time, achieve mine. 01:30:42.020 --> 01:30:44.540 Deep time while I'm asleep, I can't keep an eye on every guy. 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:45.860 That's the mind, that's me too wide. 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:46.760 Why should I redeem? 01:30:46.820 --> 01:30:48.660 I'm speaking of mine, on the fly, it's people that keep on the mind. 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:49.940 I'm achieving and I'm achieving. 01:30:49.940 --> 01:30:50.940 My hot wings, please. 01:30:51.660 --> 01:30:53.200 You never outfoxed me. 01:30:53.280 --> 01:30:55.760 I said I was a pacifist and had the road boxed me. 01:30:55.820 --> 01:30:59.380 You're not clever at all because I figured that I'd be just killing it with rhymes. 01:30:59.440 --> 01:31:00.740 I'm feeling like a hobby. 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:02.180 You never outfoxed me. 01:31:02.240 --> 01:31:03.500 You better outfoxed me. 01:31:03.500 --> 01:31:06.120 I said I was a pacifist and had the road boxed me. 01:31:06.200 --> 01:31:10.160 You're not clever at all because I figured that I'd be just killing it with rhymes. 01:31:10.160 --> 01:31:11.880 I, I, I'm killing it. 01:31:12.040 --> 01:31:14.000 Really, that's what you're dealing with, yeah. 01:31:14.160 --> 01:31:16.240 I'm revealing the illegitimate hair. 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:19.060 Do you ever think about when you're out of here? 01:31:19.120 --> 01:31:22.500 I'm thinking about getting in there without a care, but I know how to share. 01:31:22.580 --> 01:31:23.740 I've been through beavers and cuffs. 01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:25.080 It's time to eat and a thug. 01:31:25.300 --> 01:31:26.920 Give it at me when I'm leaving the club. 01:31:27.060 --> 01:31:27.820 We can discuss. 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:29.040 You're going to be dumb, kid. 01:31:29.100 --> 01:31:30.180 Take your heat and it up. 01:31:30.400 --> 01:31:32.140 I don't need to say I'm sleeping, disgust. 01:31:32.140 --> 01:31:34.000 I might sleep and catch a breeze in the bus. 01:31:34.120 --> 01:31:36.560 Leave on the bus before I give you up the reason to bust. 01:31:36.740 --> 01:31:37.880 Feeling a seasonal funk. 01:31:38.120 --> 01:31:39.180 That's what me cool want. 01:31:39.360 --> 01:31:41.820 Imagine that you'll prove I'm a school of freezing you fall. 01:31:42.060 --> 01:31:43.160 You sneeze and you cough. 01:31:43.240 --> 01:31:44.700 But I'm nothing to sniffle at. 01:31:44.820 --> 01:31:47.340 You make a lot of noise but don't connect like a whipple bat. 01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:48.740 Then you're still a triple bat. 01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:49.920 That's me in high school. 01:31:50.100 --> 01:31:50.520 Sucks that. 01:31:50.580 --> 01:31:51.260 You were good at that. 01:31:51.320 --> 01:31:52.980 How do you think you made a rap rhythm? 01:31:53.160 --> 01:31:53.880 You heard that? 01:31:53.980 --> 01:31:55.180 Yes, I'm sure you have. 01:31:55.220 --> 01:31:56.480 Well, you should be concerned with that. 01:31:56.480 --> 01:31:58.460 If you ever want to earn a rap and earn respect. 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.000 So then I'm burning your ass. 01:32:00.060 --> 01:32:01.800 And if you're smart, then you're burning your ass. 01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:03.840 Before we lay you out, I'm burning your ass. 01:32:03.980 --> 01:32:05.280 On the Terminator X. 01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:08.080 Speaking with the hands until we burn away the flesh of it. 01:32:08.220 --> 01:32:09.420 Learn to make the best of it. 01:32:09.660 --> 01:32:10.440 Perforated rest. 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:12.120 If you're smart, you're burning yourself. 01:32:12.220 --> 01:32:13.040 Burn out the best. 01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:14.540 You never outfoxed me. 01:32:14.580 --> 01:32:15.820 You better outfoxed me. 01:32:15.860 --> 01:32:17.840 I said I was a path of incident as it rose. 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.660 Do you not clever as I'm because I figured it out? 01:32:20.700 --> 01:32:23.380 I'm just killing it from ground to build a sound like a hobby. 01:32:23.580 --> 01:32:24.860 You never outfoxed me. 01:32:24.860 --> 01:32:26.100 You better outfoxed me. 01:32:26.180 --> 01:32:28.100 I said I was a path of incident as it rose. 01:32:28.240 --> 01:32:30.860 Do you not clever as I'm because I figured it out? 01:32:30.860 --> 01:32:32.640 I said I was just killing it with rights. 01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:34.680 You just got your ass kicked. 01:32:34.780 --> 01:32:36.320 Try to play by the pacifists. 01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:39.640 Don't call the faggot by a gay rights activist in broad daylight. 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:41.860 Hey guys, after this my place. 01:32:41.980 --> 01:32:43.920 Four for less than an impression pacifist. 01:32:44.080 --> 01:32:44.960 You got your ass kicked. 01:32:45.220 --> 01:32:46.620 Try to play by the pacifists. 01:32:46.940 --> 01:32:49.840 Don't call the faggot by a gay rights activist in broad daylight. 01:32:50.180 --> 01:32:52.080 Hey guys, after this my place. 01:32:52.080 --> 01:32:54.400 Overlessing in aggression and happiness 01:32:54.400 --> 01:32:56.240 Under the assumption 01:32:56.240 --> 01:33:03.720 That peace is soft assumption 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:08.980 I don't want to help, I just want to chill 01:33:08.980 --> 01:33:11.520 Under the assumption 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.880 That peace is soft assumption