WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.520 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.980 --> 00:16.540 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs with you in a fag tone. 00:16.800 --> 00:21.800 In your digital stance, sitting firewalls hoes, cause I'm riding the net in my six foes. 00:21.980 --> 00:26.540 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.540 --> 00:32.540 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero. 00:32.760 --> 00:38.440 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle. 00:38.780 --> 00:43.600 Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hood, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.920 --> 00:47.620 I bootlegged your CG, I carved the fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.960 --> 00:52.360 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it night free. 00:52.360 --> 00:56.340 You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:56.540 --> 01:00.820 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:01.140 --> 01:03.640 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04.060 --> 01:06.560 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew. 01:07.120 --> 01:11.520 Serial code, source code, ISO, red, fifth, sixth. 01:12.060 --> 01:13.980 This is dedicated to the hackers and the... 01:13.980 --> 01:18.400 Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 160. 01:18.400 --> 01:25.660 This is your host Droops, and to fulfill the cliche of all hacker media, starting out with 01:25.660 --> 01:29.140 this is the name of the show, this is my name, and I'm sorry it's late. 01:29.460 --> 01:31.960 But guys, I'm sorry the show is late. 01:32.380 --> 01:36.120 If you listen in for a little while, you will figure out why the show is late. 01:36.800 --> 01:40.800 And I guess why I'm a jackass for having it out so late. 01:40.800 --> 01:44.620 I think y'all need to pay me more, and I'll do it. 01:44.720 --> 01:50.020 So if you double my zero, I'll still have zero, but I'll feel better about myself, because 01:50.020 --> 01:52.780 I had a raise and I was doubled in pay. 01:53.620 --> 01:58.840 We've gotten several emails from people saying congratulations on the new hacker media site, 01:58.920 --> 01:59.820 how cool it is. 01:59.820 --> 02:06.840 And that Lower Logic sent one in, and so did a Michael, and we appreciate that. 02:07.000 --> 02:10.420 Mr. Yelstab, I again, made everything. 02:11.140 --> 02:11.900 He's awesome. 02:12.160 --> 02:13.440 The site looks frickin' awesome. 02:13.540 --> 02:16.080 Because of him, it's all that guy. 02:16.400 --> 02:20.880 Everyone go into poundinfenomicon on freenode.net and say, 02:20.960 --> 02:24.180 Yelstab, you kick ass, because that guy really does. 02:24.840 --> 02:27.040 I'm still working on a few updates for the site. 02:27.040 --> 02:32.180 I'm going to hopefully tonight take out some of the shows that we spoke about last week 02:32.180 --> 02:32.820 that had the ads. 02:32.920 --> 02:37.580 I left them in there just so people could see, and see what all that was about. 02:38.160 --> 02:43.160 I got an email from a guy named JG, and he said the new hacker media feed doesn't work 02:43.160 --> 02:43.780 in iTunes. 02:44.380 --> 02:47.140 Any estimated time of arrival for that? 02:48.220 --> 02:53.900 And if anyone needs someone to do something, and they're not paying them to do it, you should 02:53.900 --> 02:58.440 be, I don't know, nice about it, and say, hey, this doesn't work. 02:58.620 --> 02:59.860 Here's why it doesn't work. 03:00.700 --> 03:03.940 You know, don't be, hurry up and fix it, you jackass. 03:04.040 --> 03:07.340 I want your hobby to suit me more. 03:08.200 --> 03:13.100 Because people will just say, fuck off to that, and not really help out with anything. 03:13.100 --> 03:21.340 But we're working on that for Mr. JG, and he sent us an email also saying that here's 03:21.340 --> 03:24.340 how Apple needs the RSS feed to be. 03:24.700 --> 03:27.980 So we're going to play around with that and see if we can monkey around. 03:28.060 --> 03:33.700 I know we were having some trouble with some of the Sean Kennedy stuff not working with 03:33.700 --> 03:35.680 the way we were reading the RSS feeds. 03:35.680 --> 03:41.340 We have an important announcement to make at the end of the show, where we're going 03:41.340 --> 03:47.360 to unveil a new site that you guys that can, I don't know, right click and view page source 03:47.360 --> 03:49.980 have already figured out about. 03:50.860 --> 03:56.640 But HackerMedia is about to have a sister site, which I think is going to be pretty cool. 03:56.860 --> 03:59.480 And we're also working on a new feature for the HackerMedia site. 03:59.900 --> 04:04.040 And it's not that this takes very long to do, or that it's very complicated to do. 04:04.040 --> 04:06.720 It's just I haven't taken the time to do it. 04:07.400 --> 04:14.860 Where people can submit content, maybe it's not a permanent show, or maybe it's just something 04:14.860 --> 04:17.340 someone put out that needs to be on the HackerMedia site. 04:17.400 --> 04:21.520 The old one had ways of doing that if you had a username and password, which was pretty 04:21.520 --> 04:23.820 much emailing me and saying, hey, I need an account. 04:25.080 --> 04:30.080 But so people can submit things, we'll look at it, and so we're not getting a bunch of 04:30.080 --> 04:31.480 trash submitted to it. 04:31.480 --> 04:36.020 But people can submit something real quick, and that adds it to the HackerMedia RSS feed 04:36.020 --> 04:37.800 and to the front of the page. 04:39.380 --> 04:46.160 We're also going to try to update the featured show at the top of the site, I don't know, 04:46.220 --> 04:48.860 every month or so-ish, maybe. 04:51.020 --> 04:55.560 ExploitCast has been up there for a while for all our testing, and they're really cool. 04:55.560 --> 04:56.640 Y'all should all check it out. 04:57.540 --> 05:01.620 And I don't think I mentioned something that's really neat about HackerMedia. 05:02.560 --> 05:10.400 It doesn't take the latest data to make the center column where all the shows are listed 05:10.400 --> 05:13.700 by order of how they're done. 05:13.700 --> 05:16.620 It's how they're added to our database. 05:17.440 --> 05:24.380 So if I started a show and called it Droops Radio tomorrow, and it was picked up by HackerMedia, 05:25.120 --> 05:30.840 then all the Droops Radio shows that are in the RSS feed would show up at the top of the page, 05:31.660 --> 05:35.380 you know, until something new came along, because that's how it was added to the database. 05:35.380 --> 05:39.860 So it's going to be a really neat way of advertising new stuff that we add to it, 05:39.900 --> 05:41.540 because boom, here's a whole bunch of it. 05:42.140 --> 05:45.300 I don't know if it was intended to be that way, but it works out really cool. 05:45.980 --> 05:51.520 I've also gotten several emails from people, content that needs to be added to the HackerMedia site. 05:52.200 --> 05:56.900 And as long as there's no ads in the RSS feed, and it's of hackery type stuff, 05:57.020 --> 06:00.260 then we will definitely add that to the site. 06:00.260 --> 06:04.180 And please, if y'all can find something that I don't know about, 06:04.300 --> 06:07.500 because I am not the all-seeing eye or the all-listening ear, 06:08.360 --> 06:10.940 send it to me so that we can put it up there. 06:10.980 --> 06:11.840 That'd be awesome. 06:12.360 --> 06:13.180 Really awesome. 06:15.820 --> 06:19.000 I don't know if everyone knows, but I've started a little business. 06:20.060 --> 06:24.380 And Mr. Low Tech Mystic is staying over here and helping me start it up, 06:24.420 --> 06:25.780 and we've rented an old building. 06:27.240 --> 06:30.200 And it's in the downtown of our little small town. 06:31.260 --> 06:33.240 And it's a really cool little building. 06:33.340 --> 06:35.680 It's on the National Register of Historic Places. 06:36.280 --> 06:38.580 But it was kind of falling apart. 06:39.260 --> 06:43.080 It was an old, cruddy building that people hadn't occupied in a while. 06:43.180 --> 06:47.940 And when they did occupy it, they didn't really take the best care of said building. 06:47.940 --> 06:58.300 As in, to fix a hole in the back on the floor that, like, you could physically fit several guys in at the same time, 06:58.620 --> 07:01.340 they just nailed the carpet tighter around it. 07:01.340 --> 07:08.900 So when the carpet got old and rotten, Mr. Droops fell right on through and scared the living shit out of himself. 07:08.900 --> 07:12.780 So, uh, here's a story. 07:12.780 --> 07:26.340 It relates kind of to the hackery media thing by, I don't know, you're trying to play the system and trying to win a game that is stacked against you. 07:26.340 --> 07:29.740 And it's been frustrating as ever-living shit. 07:30.360 --> 07:32.740 But it's been kind of interesting in retrospect. 07:33.240 --> 07:36.920 And when I'm not really mad and just slamming a hammer against my head, 07:37.340 --> 07:40.600 I think about it and I'm like, you know, it's actually kind of interesting. 07:40.600 --> 07:43.100 Now, I live in a small town. 07:43.600 --> 07:46.620 And many of you do live in small towns. 07:46.720 --> 07:49.160 I know that's what drew me to listening to shows like this. 07:49.480 --> 07:54.780 Because I didn't have friends that I could just bullshit with about computers every day, you know, hanging out at my house. 07:54.860 --> 08:02.680 But I could ride around and listen to Dual Parallel and Bland talk about just a phone conversation between two guys interested in technology. 08:03.420 --> 08:08.640 And that really, uh, I don't know, it stuck with me because I'm still helping out with as much as I can. 08:08.640 --> 08:21.680 But, uh, this little small town, um, it's not who you know, actually, excuse me, it's not what you can do, kind of how nice you are. 08:21.760 --> 08:25.700 It's who you know, really who you know, and if you're from here or not. 08:25.980 --> 08:27.940 We've been having trouble with our dog catcher. 08:28.300 --> 08:36.680 And our dog catcher has been extorting us by coming to our house, capturing our dogs, and, uh, charging me money to get them back. 08:36.680 --> 08:40.260 And, uh, now granted, I let my dogs run free. 08:40.520 --> 08:42.240 I don't have a fence. 08:42.340 --> 08:43.260 We're working on that. 08:44.160 --> 08:49.840 But we're, uh, we're actually arguing with our lesbian neighbors about, uh, where our property line is. 08:49.980 --> 08:55.040 And Mr. Low Tech Mystic found our, uh, little spike that's been driven into the ground. 08:55.160 --> 08:57.020 Because our property line's like a foot from their house. 08:57.620 --> 09:01.400 And they don't really want me to build a fence right there because they're trying to claim part of our yard. 09:01.400 --> 09:02.800 It's really ridiculous. 09:03.380 --> 09:06.880 Just pointless arguments that just waste everyone's time. 09:08.160 --> 09:12.220 But, uh, the other day, I was, I woke to my dog's barking. 09:13.020 --> 09:17.120 And I came outside and saw the dog catcher pulling my dog from my yard into his truck. 09:17.320 --> 09:19.200 And my first thought was just go shoot him. 09:20.420 --> 09:23.300 And that's probably not the best thing to do. 09:23.300 --> 09:26.080 So, I just gave him his money. 09:26.600 --> 09:28.360 And, uh, I'm in my underwear in my front yard. 09:28.520 --> 09:30.480 And the old lady across the street's looking at me. 09:31.180 --> 09:32.400 You know, whatever. 09:33.120 --> 09:36.300 But, uh, maybe it's just amusing to me. 09:37.000 --> 09:40.280 So, anyway, we go to City Hall to find out what the laws are. 09:40.280 --> 09:48.140 Um, and, uh, what really prompted us to go there was the fact that the, uh, dog catcher, I caught him again. 09:48.220 --> 09:49.620 And I called all the dogs into the house. 09:49.660 --> 09:50.940 And he called the police on us. 09:51.280 --> 09:53.680 And a policeman came to my house. 09:54.540 --> 09:56.440 I had my screen door latched. 09:56.900 --> 09:58.300 And I opened my front door. 09:58.440 --> 10:01.080 And he goes to open the screen door and come right on in. 10:01.800 --> 10:02.960 Well, I don't know. 10:03.500 --> 10:04.720 There's this new law. 10:04.720 --> 10:10.880 It's called the Fourth Amendment that says they can't come in your house unless they have a warrant. 10:11.380 --> 10:12.860 They can't go in your vehicle. 10:13.020 --> 10:20.320 And they can't search you without a warrant describing the person or the place they're searching, 10:20.500 --> 10:23.960 the time they're going to be searching, and what they're looking for. 10:24.780 --> 10:30.300 So, when a policeman comes to your house, unless he has a reason like a domestic disturbance or, you know, something, 10:31.140 --> 10:32.620 he can't just, like, come on in. 10:32.620 --> 10:36.200 Well, he, of course, tries to intimidate and says, 10:36.840 --> 10:40.280 oh, you want to do this the hard way when I wouldn't unlatch my screen door 10:40.280 --> 10:43.880 so he could, you know, throw that Fourth Amendment thing out of the way, 10:44.120 --> 10:46.980 you know, just get rid of that thing and come right on in. 10:48.800 --> 10:50.320 So, we spoke with him for a while. 10:50.420 --> 10:56.040 And he told us that we had to have an under, we could have, excuse me, an underground fence, which we do have. 10:57.260 --> 10:58.680 And then he told us we couldn't. 10:58.680 --> 11:06.200 Because if you tell us, you know, two things, then you can always claim you just said one of them, because you did. 11:06.900 --> 11:09.340 And, you know, that to me is law enforcement. 11:09.480 --> 11:16.980 When you don't know the laws, but you'll just listen to any ignorant dog catcher and try to just come in my house. 11:16.980 --> 11:20.520 So, we go down to City Hall to find out what the laws are. 11:20.800 --> 11:29.000 And it comes to find out there is no law about how I have my dogs pinned up as long as they're, quote, contained. 11:30.280 --> 11:35.880 Now, contained could mean I'm in the front yard, the dogs are in the front yard, and they're running around. 11:36.540 --> 11:40.640 Could mean I'm in the front yard, the dogs are in the backyard chained up behind a fence. 11:40.640 --> 11:47.160 It could mean the dogs are not bothering anyone, and they're sitting in the neighbor's yard getting some sun. 11:48.260 --> 11:51.300 It's kind of, you know, an open word. 11:51.900 --> 11:56.780 And instead of specifying how the dogs should be contained, they just say contained in the law. 11:56.780 --> 12:04.140 And then we find that the dog catcher can't come into our yard unless there is a formal complaint filed at City Hall. 12:04.740 --> 12:08.820 And I guess the lesson to this is, don't take shit from people. 12:08.980 --> 12:11.280 The dog catcher won't tell us his name or give us a receipt. 12:12.360 --> 12:16.400 So, they just tell us the dog catcher's an idiot, and they're going to call us, and we shouldn't. 12:16.480 --> 12:22.800 They're going to call the dog catcher's boss and, you know, tell him not to come and bother us. 12:24.020 --> 12:25.100 Now, that's what we got. 12:25.280 --> 12:26.160 We're not from here. 12:26.160 --> 12:27.660 The policeman asked me my name. 12:27.760 --> 12:29.180 I told him, and then he asked you from here. 12:29.460 --> 12:30.560 That was his second question. 12:31.240 --> 12:32.740 How is that the law? 12:33.420 --> 12:35.520 But it's how you have to play the system. 12:36.660 --> 12:38.820 We have a neighbor who's a nice guy. 12:39.160 --> 12:40.580 He went to high school with the mayor. 12:40.880 --> 12:42.640 He got much farther than we did. 12:43.680 --> 12:44.920 He's not even involved in it. 12:45.080 --> 12:46.640 We went down there to file a complaint. 12:46.800 --> 12:47.420 Got nowhere. 12:48.140 --> 12:51.620 But he, you know, calls his buddy up and can take care of the problem. 12:52.520 --> 12:53.420 It's very interesting. 12:53.420 --> 13:05.660 Anyway, we rented this office building, and not only have we fallen through the floor, we're doing a little remodeling on it, and it's been sitting vacant, and it just looks like ass. 13:05.660 --> 13:09.200 All the neighbors complain about it, and they're all excited that we're working on it. 13:09.520 --> 13:11.520 In fact, one of the neighbors has come to help. 13:11.520 --> 13:19.400 Most nights that we go out there, he's out there, and he has helped us strip out plaster off the wall, which isn't just like knocking down drywall. 13:19.860 --> 13:26.460 It's a brick wall with plaster on it that you have to hammer off, inch by motherfucking inch, and then haul it all away. 13:27.460 --> 13:28.480 And he has helped us with that. 13:28.560 --> 13:29.880 He helped us with painting our ceiling. 13:30.000 --> 13:32.440 It's a big old ceiling, and it's a pain in the ass. 13:32.440 --> 13:34.500 And he's been very much helpful. 13:35.660 --> 13:38.000 The back of the building is rotten. 13:39.020 --> 13:46.800 It seems that someone didn't know how to shut a door, and there's a lot of water damage and some termite damage to the underneath of the building. 13:47.140 --> 13:50.000 We had to completely rip out the entire back floor. 13:50.980 --> 13:52.880 And there is a point to this, I guess. 13:53.120 --> 13:54.000 Maybe I'm just bitching. 13:54.000 --> 14:01.400 But we had to rip out the entire back floor and replace that and replace part of the main beam because it was very rotten. 14:01.840 --> 14:05.720 Like you could take a hammer and go straight through the main beam that's, you know, holding up the building. 14:06.120 --> 14:07.760 You know, kind of important stuff. 14:08.260 --> 14:13.580 We had to remove the toilet because if you sat on it, you would fall through the floor. 14:14.300 --> 14:15.340 That's safe. 14:15.460 --> 14:18.720 And it's perfectly legal for me to rent a building like this. 14:19.500 --> 14:20.960 You know, with ass. 14:21.100 --> 14:23.060 Because it's called Grandfathered Inn. 14:23.060 --> 14:24.360 And there's no code. 14:24.500 --> 14:25.200 There's no nothing. 14:25.480 --> 14:26.460 It's just how it is. 14:27.920 --> 14:30.100 So we have been working on this building. 14:31.020 --> 14:33.340 My hammer was trying to... 14:33.340 --> 14:36.660 I have a big claw hammer with a wooden handle, thank God. 14:37.360 --> 14:42.220 And I was trying to pull a nail out of a board that was rotten as living shit. 14:42.320 --> 14:44.300 And this was the only solid part in this thing. 14:45.000 --> 14:48.300 Well, the main wire to our circuit breaker is exposed. 14:48.740 --> 14:49.600 My hammer hits it. 14:49.980 --> 14:52.060 I don't realize this is a live wire. 14:52.060 --> 14:52.780 Because it just... 14:52.780 --> 14:53.640 It's crap. 14:53.920 --> 14:59.620 Like, you could just hit it with your finger and the casing, whatever it's called, the sheathing, would just fall straight off. 15:00.260 --> 15:01.820 And made a really big spark. 15:02.360 --> 15:03.820 Took out part of my hammer. 15:04.580 --> 15:05.740 And that wasn't good. 15:05.740 --> 15:08.520 And that's perfectly legal. 15:08.740 --> 15:10.100 Because it's Grandfathered Inn. 15:10.600 --> 15:13.840 You only have to replace it if you start monkeying with it. 15:14.780 --> 15:16.240 So we get to working on this. 15:16.960 --> 15:18.320 Now, it's a big... 15:18.320 --> 15:19.700 It's divided into two rooms. 15:19.860 --> 15:22.760 A big room and then like a little storage area in the back. 15:23.320 --> 15:25.080 And we're building some dividers. 15:25.520 --> 15:28.460 It's a 14-foot ceiling or a 12-foot ceiling. 15:28.620 --> 15:29.220 It's one of those. 15:30.180 --> 15:32.240 And we built some 8-foot dividers. 15:32.420 --> 15:33.780 They're not attached to anything. 15:34.100 --> 15:35.480 They're actually freestanding. 15:36.760 --> 15:38.520 And it's made out of 2x4s. 15:38.540 --> 15:39.860 And we're about to put some drywall up. 15:39.940 --> 15:42.180 We wanted to run some electrical outlets through it. 15:43.180 --> 15:45.160 And we use Romex wire. 15:45.740 --> 15:48.480 Which is a double insulated wire. 15:48.800 --> 15:51.520 That yellow wire that's inside all your new houses. 15:52.200 --> 15:54.340 That powers up all of your outlets. 15:54.500 --> 15:55.900 You don't have to run it in conduit. 15:55.900 --> 15:58.360 It's great stuff, even though it's expensive. 15:59.680 --> 16:02.000 We do all this for four little offices. 16:02.480 --> 16:03.660 And lighting above it. 16:03.800 --> 16:05.340 Have a little switch to turn it on. 16:05.440 --> 16:06.760 And power outlets in the office. 16:07.260 --> 16:08.420 All the good stuff. 16:08.500 --> 16:09.580 We're working on that today. 16:09.800 --> 16:11.040 Actually building some more lights. 16:11.940 --> 16:14.200 And the building inspector comes in. 16:15.360 --> 16:18.420 And he informs us that we're doing it improperly. 16:19.600 --> 16:22.020 And some of the points he made were kind of valid. 16:22.020 --> 16:26.480 Like, you know, you have to have your wiring done properly. 16:26.960 --> 16:33.680 And if anyone listening to this radio show can't figure out how to wire an outlet properly. 16:34.480 --> 16:35.880 You're a fucking retard. 16:36.460 --> 16:42.320 Because the people that do this for a living are usually not like college educated, really smart guys. 16:42.540 --> 16:44.100 They're the guys that never left home. 16:44.640 --> 16:46.160 You know, they live in the same small town. 16:46.260 --> 16:47.340 Or live in the same town. 16:47.340 --> 16:51.600 The guy wiring the outlet is not the awesome electrician. 16:51.960 --> 16:55.500 It's the guy that can't really get a good electrician's job. 16:56.040 --> 16:58.920 You know, it's not a high-end kind of job. 17:00.100 --> 17:01.160 And I can do this. 17:01.180 --> 17:02.380 And we tested it all and it worked. 17:02.500 --> 17:09.280 Anyway, come in to find out that the town isn't getting enough money off of us. 17:09.280 --> 17:12.900 Now, let's trace the path of the money. 17:13.820 --> 17:14.580 How this goes. 17:15.200 --> 17:18.220 First off, I go down to a store in town. 17:18.880 --> 17:21.220 And I buy an outlet. 17:22.020 --> 17:22.240 Okay? 17:22.680 --> 17:24.760 I buy the box the outlet goes in. 17:24.840 --> 17:27.840 I buy the little fancy couplings to hook all that crap together. 17:28.000 --> 17:29.500 And I buy the really expensive wire. 17:30.460 --> 17:31.980 I pay taxes on all that. 17:32.100 --> 17:34.600 It goes to, you know, to the government. 17:34.600 --> 17:44.140 Then I go to my business, which I'm starting in the town, which will bring, you know, jobs for people and money for the town. 17:44.300 --> 17:44.900 And that's good. 17:45.320 --> 17:49.620 So I give that to them, you know, via my business. 17:49.920 --> 17:53.320 And I live in the town, so I pay taxes here and all that and the other. 17:53.840 --> 17:55.320 And I wire this stuff up. 17:55.820 --> 17:56.980 Well, that's not enough. 17:56.980 --> 18:02.080 I have to have a certified electrician do this. 18:02.780 --> 18:02.880 Okay? 18:03.740 --> 18:10.800 My framing, my non-load bearing framing, the only thing it's holding up is the drywall that's screwed into it. 18:10.920 --> 18:11.920 Done properly. 18:12.340 --> 18:13.100 Done properly. 18:13.880 --> 18:17.700 But it wasn't done by a certified contractor. 18:18.500 --> 18:20.240 So, yeah, that's not going to work either. 18:21.060 --> 18:25.620 Where my toilet would fall through the floor and I removed it. 18:25.620 --> 18:31.180 But I have to have a certified plumber to replace it because it's a commercial building. 18:32.120 --> 18:35.620 Now, I can fall through the floor and that's cool. 18:36.020 --> 18:43.260 But if I want to fix it, you know, because it takes a fucking rocket scientist, you know, that passed a test to install a fucking toilet. 18:43.420 --> 18:44.320 It's two fucking bolts. 18:44.880 --> 18:47.700 You hook the water up and then you put the little gooey shit in there. 18:48.620 --> 18:50.340 It's not a hard thing. 18:50.360 --> 18:51.780 The wax ring is the proper term. 18:51.820 --> 18:52.720 It's not a hard thing. 18:53.640 --> 18:55.060 Well, how do these people get certified? 18:55.060 --> 19:03.960 Well, they, oh, they give the money to the town to say, hey, these people are certified by our town to do this. 19:04.860 --> 19:11.700 And then I have to go to the people that give out the certifications and get a permit to replace the floor that I was falling through. 19:12.740 --> 19:15.260 Or to build a non-load bearing wall. 19:15.880 --> 19:20.100 Or to renovate a bathroom because the toilet was going to fall through the floor. 19:21.160 --> 19:22.240 Shit like that. 19:22.240 --> 19:31.440 So I have to give all kind of people money, all kind of people money to, you know, have a building where I won't fall through the floor. 19:31.580 --> 19:39.080 And I can, I don't know, plug something into an outlet without the ceiling sparking because the lights are fucking failing and shitty and not done right. 19:39.220 --> 19:41.900 But that's okay because that was pre-existing. 19:41.900 --> 19:48.300 Now, um, the guy that's been helping us with all this stuff, he's renovated several buildings downtown. 19:48.700 --> 19:50.100 He's not a licensed contractor. 19:50.820 --> 19:51.860 He gets to do it. 19:51.920 --> 19:52.120 Why? 19:52.240 --> 19:53.720 Because he's from the town. 19:53.980 --> 19:54.840 They don't care. 19:54.840 --> 19:58.100 Oh, he's lived here his whole life. 19:58.220 --> 19:59.260 Might as well let him do it. 20:00.380 --> 20:02.680 So we're trying to figure out ways of playing the system. 20:02.820 --> 20:07.280 One way, we thought, was just to pay the 25 bucks and become a certified contractor. 20:07.820 --> 20:08.500 Pass the test. 20:08.560 --> 20:09.920 I've seen the people that pass this thing. 20:10.460 --> 20:11.940 Why can't I pass it with a little study? 20:12.020 --> 20:13.280 I mean, it can't be that hard. 20:13.280 --> 20:20.820 And then, uh, pay myself to inspect my work, which was perfectly suitably fine. 20:22.400 --> 20:24.580 You know, like, it was, it's great. 20:24.700 --> 20:25.200 It works. 20:25.360 --> 20:32.280 The building inspector looked at it and, like, it's good, but it has to be certified by someone that we say can certify it. 20:33.240 --> 20:35.540 So that's just a load of crap. 20:36.140 --> 20:38.960 So several days' worth of our work has kind of gone downhill. 20:38.960 --> 20:43.160 And because we have to argue with, with stupid crap. 20:43.480 --> 20:49.500 Now, I can understand if we're in a major metropolitan area and everyone kind of has to follow the same rules, that's one thing. 20:49.680 --> 20:54.940 But if you're going to let some guys get away with it, huh, that's fucked up. 20:55.520 --> 20:56.660 Because I'm not from here. 20:56.840 --> 21:01.380 Of course, if I went to my little small town that I'm from, then I could do whatever I wanted. 21:01.780 --> 21:03.040 Because I'm from there. 21:04.060 --> 21:05.940 You know, kind of silly, kind of silly. 21:05.940 --> 21:09.320 Well, that, that burned up 20 minutes of time. 21:09.480 --> 21:10.520 Sorry about that, everyone. 21:10.820 --> 21:13.140 I needed to just bitch for a little while. 21:13.460 --> 21:17.520 And it makes me happy that thousands of people will listen to my complaints and say, 21:17.840 --> 21:18.940 Droops is a fucking retard. 21:19.220 --> 21:20.800 Why is he even talking on the radio? 21:22.200 --> 21:23.340 But, uh, whatever. 21:23.580 --> 21:24.240 All complaints. 21:24.380 --> 21:25.560 Droops at gmail.com. 21:25.940 --> 21:27.880 Or radio at binrev.com. 21:29.460 --> 21:30.140 Let's see. 21:30.240 --> 21:32.400 So we have a topic on this show. 21:32.400 --> 21:38.500 And now that I've, I'm almost in a good mood, I might say. 21:38.620 --> 21:39.480 But I'm not, really. 21:39.940 --> 21:41.320 Let's complain a little bit more. 21:42.880 --> 21:46.180 Now, we've been on the subject of hacker media from the last show. 21:46.300 --> 21:49.720 And we're trying to tie in each show, kind of get them to do things. 21:49.880 --> 21:55.400 And I've actually contacted some people that are not in our little hacker media scene, 21:55.640 --> 21:58.040 but create things that we would enjoy. 21:58.740 --> 22:00.940 And we're going to try to get them on the big radio show. 22:00.940 --> 22:08.240 So I'm, I'm doing stuff other than just sitting on my ass and getting yelled at by building contractors 22:08.240 --> 22:09.400 because I'm not from the town. 22:10.460 --> 22:15.600 And, uh, we're going to talk about projects today. 22:16.600 --> 22:21.060 We're going to talk about what, what do we do? 22:21.300 --> 22:26.200 Like, um, sitting in IRC all day bitching or just talking about nothing is not hacking. 22:26.200 --> 22:33.040 You're pretty much just a faggot fanboy or, sorry if that offends anybody, I'm, I feel bad. 22:33.520 --> 22:36.340 But, uh, you, you're just wasting time. 22:36.580 --> 22:43.060 If you're sitting in IRC helping someone, you know, you're teaching someone, I would call that hacking. 22:43.960 --> 22:47.560 Because you're creating a spark in somebody, maybe. 22:47.760 --> 22:48.280 I don't know. 22:48.280 --> 22:52.020 Um, but a lot of us do a lot of things. 22:52.140 --> 22:54.060 Like, Mr. Iron Geek does a lot of shit. 22:55.080 --> 22:58.820 And he, uh, does really cool shit. 22:59.480 --> 23:02.400 And the, the DDP does little cool things. 23:02.700 --> 23:03.700 You know, they produce this. 23:03.880 --> 23:05.980 They make little projects. 23:06.100 --> 23:07.860 They help people in the forums, this, that, and the other. 23:08.220 --> 23:09.120 That's coolness. 23:09.120 --> 23:15.400 People produce all kind of content all around. 23:15.520 --> 23:17.080 You can go to sites like Hackaday. 23:17.680 --> 23:21.180 And here's someone that's made something that's frickin' cool. 23:22.000 --> 23:23.600 You know, and they're trying to share it with the world. 23:23.700 --> 23:24.520 Here's how you do it. 23:24.960 --> 23:26.220 And that's really awesome. 23:27.500 --> 23:30.120 And then you have your people that say, 23:30.240 --> 23:31.280 Oh, it's fuckin' retarded. 23:31.400 --> 23:31.840 Fuck that. 23:31.980 --> 23:32.800 Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. 23:33.100 --> 23:33.820 It's stupid. 23:33.820 --> 23:37.220 But, you know, like if I made a TV show 23:37.220 --> 23:39.420 that was worse than the stuff I usually make 23:39.420 --> 23:41.580 and someone was to come out and say, 23:41.680 --> 23:42.680 That's fuckin' stupid. 23:43.300 --> 23:44.960 Then that person is a jackass. 23:45.140 --> 23:46.240 Shit will float to the bottom. 23:46.760 --> 23:47.720 If I don't like something, 23:47.780 --> 23:49.640 doesn't mean someone else doesn't like it. 23:50.540 --> 23:52.320 Like, uh, a few months ago, 23:52.420 --> 23:55.100 Mr. Low Tech Mystic could not use Linux 23:55.100 --> 23:58.240 near what he needed to be using it. 23:58.620 --> 23:59.780 And we taught him. 23:59.940 --> 24:01.560 And now he's going at it. 24:01.560 --> 24:02.940 But a few months ago, 24:03.020 --> 24:03.860 he'd been really interested 24:03.860 --> 24:05.280 in a very basic Linux show 24:05.280 --> 24:06.580 that would have been bored the shit out of me. 24:06.660 --> 24:07.160 And I would have said, 24:07.500 --> 24:08.780 Well, that's pretty stupid. 24:09.420 --> 24:09.760 You know? 24:10.000 --> 24:11.400 But I wouldn't go tell him, 24:11.460 --> 24:12.080 Hey, you're an idiot 24:12.080 --> 24:12.860 for making something 24:12.860 --> 24:14.380 fuckin' immature and retarded. 24:15.360 --> 24:17.200 Because some people enjoy it. 24:17.220 --> 24:18.200 Like a twat radio. 24:19.200 --> 24:20.840 Some of the topics don't interest me 24:20.840 --> 24:21.740 at fuckin' all. 24:22.300 --> 24:23.440 But some of them interest, 24:23.920 --> 24:25.460 you know, really pique my interest. 24:25.920 --> 24:27.700 And I'm sure I don't have 24:27.700 --> 24:29.520 the same opinions as everyone else. 24:29.520 --> 24:31.580 And that's kind of how it works. 24:33.280 --> 24:34.020 So, uh, 24:34.960 --> 24:36.360 I don't know. 24:36.440 --> 24:37.260 I'm kind of trying to make 24:37.260 --> 24:38.400 the show topic 24:38.400 --> 24:41.280 to not just droops rambling along, 24:41.640 --> 24:43.320 but to make the show topic, 24:44.160 --> 24:46.400 we try, 24:46.960 --> 24:48.840 with the Binary Revolution, 24:49.840 --> 24:51.380 to promote the ideal 24:51.380 --> 24:52.300 that hacking 24:52.300 --> 24:54.420 is a community effort. 24:54.420 --> 24:58.000 And by people having projects 24:58.000 --> 24:59.520 and people helping with projects, 24:59.620 --> 25:01.060 people encouraging with projects, 25:01.760 --> 25:02.580 people just 25:02.580 --> 25:04.560 giving a comment 25:04.560 --> 25:05.600 to help things, 25:06.240 --> 25:07.260 that's hacking. 25:08.060 --> 25:09.200 It doesn't matter 25:09.200 --> 25:11.380 how frickin' leapsore you are 25:11.380 --> 25:12.620 if you can own my boxes 25:12.620 --> 25:13.360 sitting in my house, 25:13.420 --> 25:13.620 which, 25:14.160 --> 25:15.360 I could own them. 25:16.160 --> 25:17.160 I don't care. 25:17.160 --> 25:22.380 if you're working alone, 25:22.720 --> 25:24.860 you're not helping 25:24.860 --> 25:25.740 the community. 25:27.240 --> 25:28.580 And if you're not 25:28.580 --> 25:30.000 learning, 25:30.320 --> 25:31.680 you're not helping yourself. 25:32.220 --> 25:33.640 If I'm doing the same shit 25:33.640 --> 25:34.160 every day, 25:34.880 --> 25:35.660 that's not hacking. 25:36.200 --> 25:36.800 That's 25:36.800 --> 25:38.000 ridiculous. 25:38.740 --> 25:40.020 That's me not learning 25:40.020 --> 25:40.460 anything. 25:41.260 --> 25:42.040 At this business 25:42.040 --> 25:43.200 we're trying to start up, 25:43.200 --> 25:45.680 we have a large area 25:45.680 --> 25:46.700 that's our little 25:46.700 --> 25:47.480 hacking area 25:47.480 --> 25:49.380 so that we can have 25:49.380 --> 25:50.400 our soldering iron 25:50.400 --> 25:50.920 and we can do 25:50.920 --> 25:51.740 our hardware stuff 25:51.740 --> 25:52.280 and we can have 25:52.280 --> 25:53.260 our software stuff 25:53.260 --> 25:54.120 and we can play around 25:54.120 --> 25:55.040 with whatever we want 25:55.040 --> 25:56.360 and have a bunch of shelves 25:56.360 --> 25:57.680 to store all our crap 25:57.680 --> 25:58.900 so that I can get it 25:58.900 --> 25:59.560 out of my house 25:59.560 --> 26:00.740 and so that 26:00.740 --> 26:02.060 we can have an area 26:02.060 --> 26:03.300 that people can come 26:03.300 --> 26:05.280 and play with our toys 26:05.280 --> 26:06.500 and have a good time 26:06.500 --> 26:06.960 and learn. 26:08.520 --> 26:09.040 And I don't know, 26:09.080 --> 26:10.020 I'm kind of rambling now. 26:10.500 --> 26:11.280 So I think this is 26:11.280 --> 26:12.500 a wonderful time 26:12.500 --> 26:13.660 to switch over 26:13.660 --> 26:15.220 to Mr. Stank Dog. 26:15.340 --> 26:16.600 I gave him a little holler 26:16.600 --> 26:18.220 way before the show 26:18.220 --> 26:19.260 was supposed to be out. 26:19.420 --> 26:20.360 I'm sorry, guys. 26:21.020 --> 26:22.860 But listen to Stank Dog 26:22.860 --> 26:23.460 for a little while. 26:31.380 --> 26:32.580 Captain Kangaroo Show. 26:32.820 --> 26:33.500 What's up, player? 26:34.960 --> 26:35.740 Just chilling. 26:36.480 --> 26:37.260 Good deal. 26:37.500 --> 26:38.480 Mind in mind. 26:39.220 --> 26:39.620 Awesome. 26:39.620 --> 26:42.160 So what are we doing 26:42.160 --> 26:42.800 tonight there, buddy? 26:43.220 --> 26:44.200 Well, we are going to talk 26:44.200 --> 26:44.700 for a minute 26:44.700 --> 26:46.220 and only a few minutes 26:46.220 --> 26:47.640 about... 26:47.640 --> 26:48.840 Are we already recording? 26:49.240 --> 26:49.580 Yes. 26:49.980 --> 26:50.160 Yes. 26:51.120 --> 26:51.980 So is that whole 26:51.980 --> 26:52.480 little buddy 26:52.480 --> 26:53.540 Captain Kangaroo thing 26:53.540 --> 26:54.020 going on there? 26:54.180 --> 26:54.640 Oh, yeah. 26:54.880 --> 26:55.260 Oh, yeah. 26:57.340 --> 26:57.860 Well... 26:57.860 --> 26:58.780 Anyway... 26:58.780 --> 26:59.580 I've almost got enough 26:59.580 --> 27:00.220 for an hour and a half 27:00.220 --> 27:00.720 clip show 27:00.720 --> 27:01.800 just out of the last show. 27:03.740 --> 27:04.800 Out of the last show? 27:04.800 --> 27:05.800 Okay. 27:08.840 --> 27:10.620 But, uh... 27:10.620 --> 27:11.060 Let's see. 27:11.140 --> 27:11.340 I was going to talk... 27:11.340 --> 27:11.940 But anyway, yeah. 27:12.060 --> 27:13.140 You can edit that 27:13.140 --> 27:13.840 first part out. 27:14.220 --> 27:14.580 Okay. 27:15.380 --> 27:15.620 All right. 27:15.640 --> 27:16.260 Let's start now. 27:17.000 --> 27:18.480 So, what's going on there, 27:18.520 --> 27:18.720 Drufs? 27:18.720 --> 27:19.240 What are we talking 27:19.240 --> 27:19.920 about tonight, buddy? 27:20.240 --> 27:21.120 Well, today, sir, 27:21.180 --> 27:21.700 we are going to be 27:21.700 --> 27:22.680 talking about 27:22.680 --> 27:23.860 the revolution 27:23.860 --> 27:25.180 that we've kind of 27:25.180 --> 27:25.940 got going on 27:25.940 --> 27:28.140 and about people 27:28.140 --> 27:29.320 that are not helping 27:29.320 --> 27:30.940 the revolution 27:30.940 --> 27:32.820 and people that are. 27:32.820 --> 27:33.360 I mean, how long 27:33.360 --> 27:34.400 is the show, man? 27:34.400 --> 27:34.820 I don't know if we 27:34.820 --> 27:35.440 have enough time 27:35.440 --> 27:36.160 for all that. 27:37.060 --> 27:37.960 Well, we're going to 27:37.960 --> 27:38.560 do an eight-hour 27:38.560 --> 27:39.460 episode, actually. 27:40.480 --> 27:41.120 Well, that might 27:41.120 --> 27:42.880 get us through the A's. 27:43.460 --> 27:44.600 Well, that will 27:44.600 --> 27:45.820 get us through the A's. 27:45.880 --> 27:46.280 Good deal. 27:46.920 --> 27:47.920 Maybe the B's. 27:47.940 --> 27:48.420 I don't know. 27:48.600 --> 27:49.500 Good thing your name 27:49.500 --> 27:50.100 starts with S 27:50.100 --> 27:51.220 and mine starts with D. 27:52.220 --> 27:52.580 Yeah. 27:53.620 --> 27:55.820 Well, um... 27:55.820 --> 27:56.640 Well, how exactly 27:56.640 --> 27:57.280 do you want to talk 27:57.280 --> 27:57.760 about this? 27:58.020 --> 27:58.800 See, I just kind of 27:58.800 --> 27:59.760 went into a little bit 27:59.760 --> 28:02.600 of this on the premiere 28:02.600 --> 28:03.520 of Season 4, 28:03.620 --> 28:04.340 the premiere episode 28:04.340 --> 28:05.200 that we did at Hope, 28:05.380 --> 28:07.820 but shall I do 28:07.820 --> 28:08.660 like a kind of 28:08.660 --> 28:09.560 maybe an overview 28:09.560 --> 28:10.300 or a review 28:10.300 --> 28:11.680 for some of the 28:11.680 --> 28:12.140 new listeners 28:12.140 --> 28:12.880 about what the 28:12.880 --> 28:13.600 Binary Revolution 28:13.600 --> 28:14.480 is all about 28:14.480 --> 28:15.200 and what it means? 28:15.400 --> 28:15.940 I think that would 28:15.940 --> 28:16.700 be an excellent idea, 28:16.780 --> 28:17.240 Mr. Stinky. 28:17.460 --> 28:18.460 That would be helpful 28:18.460 --> 28:19.960 because, see, 28:20.000 --> 28:20.580 a lot of people, 28:21.020 --> 28:21.640 quite honestly, 28:21.720 --> 28:22.140 don't even know 28:22.140 --> 28:23.200 what BINREV stands for. 28:23.320 --> 28:24.260 BINREV.com 28:24.260 --> 28:25.340 stands for 28:25.340 --> 28:26.480 The Binary Revolution, 28:26.760 --> 28:28.460 which is kind of 28:28.460 --> 28:30.660 this, well, revolution, 28:30.880 --> 28:31.740 which is pretty much 28:31.740 --> 28:32.660 self-descriptive there. 28:32.720 --> 28:34.860 It's kind of a new mindset 28:34.860 --> 28:35.920 or a new way of thinking, 28:36.140 --> 28:37.380 kind of this change 28:37.380 --> 28:39.240 in the hacking scene 28:39.240 --> 28:40.000 that we've been 28:40.000 --> 28:42.520 trying to create, 28:42.640 --> 28:43.220 something we've been 28:43.220 --> 28:44.060 trying to move forward 28:44.060 --> 28:45.340 with for several years now, 28:45.360 --> 28:45.780 and I think we're 28:45.780 --> 28:47.460 making some progress. 28:48.660 --> 28:49.700 Sometimes it feels 28:49.700 --> 28:50.940 that every time 28:50.940 --> 28:52.020 you take a step forward 28:52.020 --> 28:53.440 you get knocked back a step, 28:53.600 --> 28:54.600 but I think overall 28:54.600 --> 28:55.240 we've been taking 28:55.240 --> 28:55.880 two forward 28:55.880 --> 28:57.000 to get knocked back one, 28:57.160 --> 28:57.900 so I think we're still 28:57.900 --> 28:58.640 making some headway. 28:59.020 --> 28:59.440 Good deal. 28:59.440 --> 29:01.640 But basically, 29:02.640 --> 29:04.460 and people who have 29:04.460 --> 29:05.080 been in the scene 29:05.080 --> 29:05.760 for a while 29:05.760 --> 29:07.120 can maybe 29:07.120 --> 29:08.960 either back me up 29:08.960 --> 29:09.320 on this 29:09.320 --> 29:10.320 or completely disagree 29:10.320 --> 29:11.020 with me on this, 29:11.180 --> 29:12.720 but hacking 29:12.720 --> 29:15.120 was different 29:15.120 --> 29:17.360 not so awful long ago, 29:17.480 --> 29:18.340 a generation ago, 29:18.420 --> 29:19.100 if you want to speak 29:19.100 --> 29:20.460 in generational terms 29:20.460 --> 29:20.980 of hackers, 29:21.120 --> 29:21.700 which is probably 29:21.700 --> 29:22.420 five years 29:22.420 --> 29:23.580 the way technology goes. 29:23.820 --> 29:24.260 So when you were 29:24.260 --> 29:25.000 like around 40. 29:26.140 --> 29:26.580 Right. 29:26.580 --> 29:28.460 So before I cross 29:28.460 --> 29:29.360 the 50 barrier, 29:31.680 --> 29:32.220 now probably 29:32.220 --> 29:33.460 five to ten years ago, 29:33.620 --> 29:35.000 maybe a little bit more, 29:35.620 --> 29:37.480 there was no real community. 29:37.800 --> 29:37.960 I mean, 29:38.000 --> 29:38.600 I think that's really 29:38.600 --> 29:39.260 the key word, 29:39.360 --> 29:40.840 and it's kind of a word. 29:40.880 --> 29:41.500 You never heard 29:41.500 --> 29:42.220 the word community 29:42.220 --> 29:43.280 to refer to hackers 29:43.280 --> 29:45.820 before a few years ago. 29:45.920 --> 29:46.380 And actually, 29:46.520 --> 29:47.280 I credit that 29:47.280 --> 29:47.920 to Dual Parallel. 29:48.000 --> 29:48.760 He was very big 29:48.760 --> 29:49.240 on that word, 29:49.300 --> 29:50.280 very big on community. 29:50.920 --> 29:52.440 And one of the things 29:52.440 --> 29:52.860 that he and I 29:52.860 --> 29:53.860 have always agreed on 29:53.860 --> 29:55.480 and always liked 29:55.480 --> 29:56.400 is, you know, 29:56.440 --> 29:57.380 the whole aspect 29:57.380 --> 29:58.920 of working together, 29:59.100 --> 29:59.820 being friends 29:59.820 --> 30:00.760 and friendly with people, 30:00.920 --> 30:01.980 helping each other out. 30:02.400 --> 30:03.280 And maybe that's part 30:03.280 --> 30:04.120 of our personalities 30:04.120 --> 30:05.160 combined with our 30:05.160 --> 30:05.980 hacking interests. 30:05.980 --> 30:08.280 But we thought 30:08.280 --> 30:08.740 that, you know, 30:08.800 --> 30:09.880 it might be something good 30:09.880 --> 30:11.820 to start a new 30:11.820 --> 30:12.940 community of hacking, 30:13.140 --> 30:14.800 kind of show people 30:14.800 --> 30:15.540 that hacking 30:15.540 --> 30:16.380 is not all this 30:16.380 --> 30:18.080 sitting alone 30:18.080 --> 30:18.860 in your basement 30:18.860 --> 30:20.680 with the computers on 30:20.680 --> 30:21.600 and the lights off 30:21.600 --> 30:22.640 and not sleeping 30:22.640 --> 30:23.780 and drinking Jolt Cola 30:23.780 --> 30:25.580 and whatever other 30:25.580 --> 30:26.620 cliches they have 30:26.620 --> 30:27.080 for hacking. 30:27.360 --> 30:29.240 It's not like that anymore. 30:29.420 --> 30:30.260 It's changed. 30:30.380 --> 30:31.280 It certainly was 30:31.280 --> 30:31.880 and there's not really 30:31.880 --> 30:32.640 a whole lot of debate. 30:32.840 --> 30:33.040 I mean, 30:33.080 --> 30:33.880 there are many times 30:33.880 --> 30:34.840 I spent in the dark 30:34.840 --> 30:36.540 hacking all through the night 30:36.540 --> 30:38.120 back when I was able 30:38.120 --> 30:39.240 to stay up all night 30:39.240 --> 30:39.760 without sleep. 30:41.360 --> 30:44.340 But it's changed now. 30:44.340 --> 30:45.820 And I think that we 30:45.820 --> 30:47.180 as a community 30:47.180 --> 30:49.160 or as individual hackers even 30:49.160 --> 30:50.120 need to grow 30:50.120 --> 30:51.260 and adapt with that. 30:51.260 --> 30:53.100 So the binary revolution 30:53.100 --> 30:53.640 was something 30:53.640 --> 30:54.360 that I just kind of 30:54.360 --> 30:55.100 made up one day 30:55.100 --> 30:56.160 and I knew 30:56.160 --> 30:57.360 in the beginning 30:57.360 --> 30:58.720 it was a huge undertaking. 31:00.580 --> 31:01.760 I hoped that it would 31:01.760 --> 31:02.680 actually be a revolution. 31:02.860 --> 31:03.740 I hoped that enough people 31:03.740 --> 31:04.660 would be on board 31:04.660 --> 31:06.940 and feel the same way 31:06.940 --> 31:07.520 that I do 31:07.520 --> 31:08.840 insofar as 31:08.840 --> 31:09.640 instead of 31:09.640 --> 31:11.080 instead of us 31:11.080 --> 31:12.200 turning people away 31:12.200 --> 31:13.400 from hacking 31:13.400 --> 31:15.240 and chasing people 31:15.240 --> 31:16.020 away from hacking, 31:16.160 --> 31:17.060 we want more people 31:17.060 --> 31:17.880 to become hackers. 31:18.360 --> 31:18.720 Now, 31:18.720 --> 31:19.660 I'm not going to go 31:19.660 --> 31:20.040 into a rant 31:20.040 --> 31:20.500 on what a hacker 31:20.500 --> 31:21.300 is or isn't. 31:21.380 --> 31:22.060 I think we've beaten 31:22.060 --> 31:22.640 that horse 31:22.640 --> 31:24.080 to a bloody pulp. 31:24.180 --> 31:24.780 I think that horse 31:24.780 --> 31:25.360 has been beaten 31:25.360 --> 31:26.200 to death. 31:26.740 --> 31:27.440 And if we beat it 31:27.440 --> 31:27.720 anymore, 31:27.820 --> 31:28.600 we might get PETA. 31:29.380 --> 31:29.780 PETA? 31:29.940 --> 31:30.240 PETA? 31:30.680 --> 31:31.300 Whatever that group 31:31.300 --> 31:32.120 is called after us. 31:32.240 --> 31:32.380 Yeah, 31:32.500 --> 31:33.540 those nut jobs. 31:33.700 --> 31:33.820 Well, 31:33.860 --> 31:34.420 pretty much just to 31:34.420 --> 31:35.640 generalize what a hacker is, 31:35.980 --> 31:36.820 just real quick, 31:36.920 --> 31:38.060 it's large genitalia, 31:38.100 --> 31:38.320 right? 31:39.540 --> 31:39.900 Exactly, 31:40.040 --> 31:40.380 exactly. 31:40.500 --> 31:41.000 You know we're going 31:41.000 --> 31:41.500 to get a hate mail 31:41.500 --> 31:42.640 from PETA members now, 31:42.680 --> 31:42.920 right? 31:43.460 --> 31:44.640 Because I just said that. 31:44.680 --> 31:45.120 But anyway, 31:45.620 --> 31:46.340 they are nut jobs. 31:46.340 --> 31:48.020 But that's neither here nor there. 31:48.760 --> 31:49.400 I don't know if they're 31:49.400 --> 31:50.760 as big of nut jobs 31:50.760 --> 31:51.260 as the, 31:51.260 --> 31:53.580 what is that, 31:53.700 --> 31:54.320 Scientology? 31:54.680 --> 31:55.140 But anyway, 31:55.860 --> 31:56.680 I digress. 31:57.580 --> 31:58.700 The binary revolution, 31:58.940 --> 31:59.420 we've got to mix 31:59.420 --> 32:00.100 a little humor in here. 32:00.380 --> 32:00.600 Oh yeah. 32:00.600 --> 32:01.520 The binary revolution, 32:01.660 --> 32:02.920 to get back on topic here, 32:03.000 --> 32:05.780 is the other thing 32:05.780 --> 32:07.300 about the community 32:07.300 --> 32:08.020 in the past 32:08.020 --> 32:09.080 was not only 32:09.080 --> 32:09.480 that we were 32:09.480 --> 32:10.380 solitary creatures, 32:10.380 --> 32:11.260 but that when 32:11.260 --> 32:11.940 someone new 32:11.940 --> 32:13.000 came into the community, 32:14.640 --> 32:15.320 I guess, 32:15.840 --> 32:16.820 for lack of a better word, 32:16.880 --> 32:17.980 they had to earn 32:17.980 --> 32:18.700 their stripes, 32:18.800 --> 32:19.420 so to speak. 32:19.500 --> 32:20.280 They had to learn 32:20.280 --> 32:20.860 it on their own. 32:20.940 --> 32:21.640 They had to teach 32:21.640 --> 32:22.080 themselves. 32:22.220 --> 32:22.780 They had to get 32:22.780 --> 32:23.420 into the trenches. 32:24.060 --> 32:25.120 And they had to spend 32:25.120 --> 32:26.840 years and years 32:26.840 --> 32:27.220 and years 32:27.220 --> 32:28.000 just to kind of 32:28.000 --> 32:28.680 get up to speed 32:28.680 --> 32:29.640 and just to kind of 32:29.640 --> 32:31.400 even learn the mindset. 32:32.240 --> 32:32.420 You know? 32:32.700 --> 32:33.580 And truthfully, 32:33.660 --> 32:34.420 you should have 32:34.420 --> 32:35.140 that going in. 32:35.200 --> 32:36.200 Most people do have 32:36.200 --> 32:36.860 that curiosity 32:36.860 --> 32:37.720 and stuff in common. 32:37.720 --> 32:39.420 But more to the point 32:39.420 --> 32:39.900 of learning 32:39.900 --> 32:40.620 and getting people 32:40.620 --> 32:41.700 up to speed quickly 32:41.700 --> 32:45.080 on general security concepts 32:45.080 --> 32:46.580 about the hacking mindset 32:46.580 --> 32:47.220 in general, 32:47.340 --> 32:48.260 about thinking outside 32:48.260 --> 32:48.720 the box, 32:48.780 --> 32:49.540 things like that. 32:49.940 --> 32:51.200 And more specifically, 32:51.440 --> 32:52.660 actual applications 32:52.660 --> 32:53.940 and thoughts, 32:54.300 --> 32:56.040 processes of how to hack. 32:56.880 --> 32:58.920 So it's so all-encompassing now. 32:58.980 --> 33:00.540 There's so many different things 33:00.540 --> 33:01.380 that can be done. 33:02.240 --> 33:04.120 There's no one person 33:04.120 --> 33:04.700 can learn it all. 33:04.800 --> 33:05.380 Back in the day, 33:05.440 --> 33:06.240 you didn't have 33:06.240 --> 33:08.020 the global interweb, 33:08.240 --> 33:09.640 which kind of added 33:09.640 --> 33:10.760 a whole new, 33:11.200 --> 33:12.780 I don't know, 33:13.420 --> 33:15.160 a whole new world 33:15.160 --> 33:16.000 of hacking, 33:16.120 --> 33:16.540 if you will. 33:17.240 --> 33:18.340 So back then, 33:18.360 --> 33:19.260 it was a little bit easier 33:19.260 --> 33:20.080 and people knew 33:20.080 --> 33:20.800 a lot more, 33:20.860 --> 33:21.520 if you want to look at it 33:21.520 --> 33:22.500 as the greater percentage 33:22.500 --> 33:23.980 of computer knowledge 33:23.980 --> 33:24.600 that there was 33:24.600 --> 33:25.120 because there was 33:25.120 --> 33:27.420 a limited amount 33:27.420 --> 33:28.400 of knowledge to know. 33:29.420 --> 33:29.800 I don't know 33:29.800 --> 33:30.320 if that sentence 33:30.320 --> 33:31.460 made any sense at all. 33:32.420 --> 33:33.140 So now, 33:33.300 --> 33:33.580 anyway, 33:34.380 --> 33:35.460 the binary revolution 33:35.460 --> 33:36.100 is really 33:36.100 --> 33:37.140 an attempt 33:37.140 --> 33:38.000 to get people 33:38.000 --> 33:39.400 to help each other 33:39.400 --> 33:40.280 so that instead 33:40.280 --> 33:41.160 of us working 33:41.160 --> 33:42.220 solo, 33:42.480 --> 33:42.960 instead of us 33:42.960 --> 33:44.100 working by ourselves, 33:44.640 --> 33:45.720 and even worse, 33:45.920 --> 33:46.500 instead of us 33:46.500 --> 33:47.720 being kicked down 33:47.720 --> 33:49.220 and kicked backwards 33:49.220 --> 33:50.460 by the hackers 33:50.460 --> 33:51.440 that are already out there, 33:51.500 --> 33:52.540 the older generation 33:52.540 --> 33:53.080 of hackers, 33:53.840 --> 33:55.200 and having this elitism 33:55.200 --> 33:56.460 of you have to learn 33:56.460 --> 33:56.880 it yourself. 33:57.020 --> 33:57.460 I'm not going 33:57.460 --> 33:58.120 to show you anything. 33:58.240 --> 33:58.900 You're a noob 33:58.900 --> 33:59.780 just because you 33:59.780 --> 34:00.560 ask a question. 34:01.340 --> 34:01.920 And that was one 34:01.920 --> 34:02.800 of my biggest things 34:02.800 --> 34:03.540 is I did go 34:03.540 --> 34:04.120 through the trenches. 34:04.320 --> 34:04.960 I did learn 34:04.960 --> 34:05.480 a lot of stuff. 34:05.600 --> 34:06.260 I was around 34:06.260 --> 34:06.980 in that generation. 34:07.140 --> 34:08.180 Old jokes aside, 34:08.280 --> 34:08.940 I am old. 34:09.040 --> 34:10.260 I was around back then. 34:11.220 --> 34:14.960 And as technology evolved, 34:15.160 --> 34:16.000 no matter how much 34:16.000 --> 34:16.440 you know, 34:16.560 --> 34:17.200 there's always more 34:17.200 --> 34:17.980 out there to learn. 34:18.760 --> 34:19.640 And I guess 34:19.640 --> 34:21.100 some of the old school 34:21.100 --> 34:23.280 hackers never let go 34:23.280 --> 34:23.940 of the fact 34:23.940 --> 34:24.620 that they couldn't 34:24.620 --> 34:25.240 know everything. 34:25.360 --> 34:25.820 They could never 34:25.820 --> 34:26.480 admit to that. 34:26.560 --> 34:26.880 They could never 34:26.880 --> 34:27.600 come to terms 34:27.600 --> 34:28.280 or come to grips 34:28.280 --> 34:28.640 with that 34:28.640 --> 34:29.600 in their own reality. 34:29.600 --> 34:31.400 whereas I have 34:31.400 --> 34:31.940 no problem 34:31.940 --> 34:32.760 saying that 34:32.760 --> 34:34.100 I don't know squat 34:34.100 --> 34:35.860 compared to what 34:35.860 --> 34:36.980 kids coming up now. 34:37.240 --> 34:37.620 And, you know, 34:37.660 --> 34:38.280 when I say kids, 34:38.360 --> 34:38.900 I mean kids. 34:39.020 --> 34:40.700 There were 13, 34:40.820 --> 34:41.140 14, 34:41.300 --> 34:42.240 15-year-old kids 34:42.240 --> 34:42.900 that are learning 34:42.900 --> 34:43.740 stuff that I never 34:43.740 --> 34:44.880 even dreamed of. 34:45.640 --> 34:45.920 You know, 34:45.980 --> 34:46.520 they're teaching 34:46.520 --> 34:47.860 stuff now in school 34:47.860 --> 34:48.980 that we didn't 34:48.980 --> 34:49.980 even have available 34:49.980 --> 34:51.520 when I was coming up. 34:51.900 --> 34:52.840 There are security 34:52.840 --> 34:53.580 things, 34:53.820 --> 34:55.200 security topics, 34:55.280 --> 34:55.520 I guess, 34:55.560 --> 34:56.100 out there now 34:56.100 --> 34:57.300 that weren't even 34:57.300 --> 34:58.540 dreamed of back then. 34:58.540 --> 34:59.920 And to know all of them 34:59.920 --> 35:01.200 and to get up to speed 35:01.200 --> 35:02.400 and earn your stripes 35:02.400 --> 35:04.440 is a ridiculous notion now 35:04.440 --> 35:05.260 because you'll never 35:05.260 --> 35:06.240 ever learn 35:06.240 --> 35:07.700 all of those basics. 35:07.880 --> 35:09.000 It's just too hard 35:09.000 --> 35:09.920 and too time-consuming 35:09.920 --> 35:10.540 to sit 35:10.540 --> 35:11.900 and teach yourself 35:11.900 --> 35:13.320 everything there is 35:13.320 --> 35:14.360 to know about hacking, 35:14.480 --> 35:16.060 even basic level hacking. 35:17.240 --> 35:17.800 So, 35:17.980 --> 35:18.860 part of the revolution 35:18.860 --> 35:20.540 is let's stop doing this. 35:20.960 --> 35:22.400 Let's stop flying solo. 35:22.600 --> 35:23.700 Let's stop kicking 35:23.700 --> 35:24.840 each other down 35:24.840 --> 35:26.020 is the bigger part of it. 35:26.440 --> 35:26.980 And let's start 35:26.980 --> 35:28.060 helping each other up. 35:29.140 --> 35:29.420 You know, 35:29.520 --> 35:30.500 and one of the things 35:30.500 --> 35:31.320 I know it's, 35:31.680 --> 35:32.460 maybe it's become 35:32.460 --> 35:33.340 cliche for me, 35:33.420 --> 35:34.140 but I still love 35:34.140 --> 35:34.660 this statement 35:34.660 --> 35:35.500 that I've always put 35:35.500 --> 35:36.160 on my websites 35:36.160 --> 35:36.640 and stuff 35:36.640 --> 35:37.880 is that hacking 35:37.880 --> 35:39.540 is about construction, 35:39.940 --> 35:40.880 not destruction. 35:41.500 --> 35:41.740 You know, 35:41.760 --> 35:42.860 it's about creating things, 35:42.920 --> 35:43.880 it's about working together, 35:43.980 --> 35:44.960 it's about helping each other 35:44.960 --> 35:46.320 and all of us moving forward, 35:46.380 --> 35:46.980 even if it's just 35:46.980 --> 35:47.940 a little bit of knowledge 35:47.940 --> 35:49.900 shared amongst all of us, 35:50.280 --> 35:51.160 that to me 35:51.160 --> 35:52.420 is a positive benefit 35:52.420 --> 35:53.680 to the hacking community 35:53.680 --> 35:55.560 that has now existed 35:55.560 --> 35:57.600 and I still think 35:57.600 --> 35:58.180 that even though 35:58.180 --> 35:58.700 there's a little bit 35:58.700 --> 35:59.840 of drama here and there 35:59.840 --> 36:01.160 and people come 36:01.160 --> 36:02.000 and go from the scene, 36:02.120 --> 36:02.860 people come on 36:02.860 --> 36:04.020 and they'll see 36:04.020 --> 36:04.960 a hacking website, 36:05.220 --> 36:05.480 but they, 36:05.820 --> 36:06.400 some people, 36:06.520 --> 36:07.240 you just can't 36:07.240 --> 36:09.020 make them see, 36:09.160 --> 36:09.940 you can't make them learn. 36:10.040 --> 36:10.160 I mean, 36:10.200 --> 36:10.440 we've, 36:11.020 --> 36:11.260 you know, 36:11.300 --> 36:12.440 even very recently 36:12.440 --> 36:13.420 we've lost people 36:13.420 --> 36:13.720 who, 36:13.860 --> 36:14.060 you know, 36:14.100 --> 36:15.140 we won't mention names 36:15.140 --> 36:15.480 or anything, 36:15.580 --> 36:16.060 I like that 36:16.060 --> 36:17.220 because I think people see 36:17.220 --> 36:18.640 others come and go, 36:18.640 --> 36:19.020 but that, 36:19.680 --> 36:20.240 you know, 36:20.360 --> 36:20.660 they're, 36:21.280 --> 36:22.860 they like the site, 36:23.340 --> 36:24.300 they like some of the people 36:24.300 --> 36:24.840 on the site, 36:25.200 --> 36:26.920 but they just never got 36:26.920 --> 36:28.500 the idea of what 36:28.500 --> 36:29.760 the revolution is all about. 36:30.280 --> 36:31.880 If you really want to be 36:31.880 --> 36:33.100 an active, 36:33.280 --> 36:34.040 productive member 36:34.040 --> 36:35.040 of Binary Revolution, 36:35.560 --> 36:37.040 if you want to impress me, 36:37.160 --> 36:37.820 if you want to make, 36:37.980 --> 36:39.480 put a smile on my face, 36:40.060 --> 36:41.160 in legal ways of course, 36:42.320 --> 36:43.300 come to the site 36:43.300 --> 36:44.660 and produce stuff. 36:45.360 --> 36:45.940 Even if it's, 36:46.000 --> 36:46.100 listen, 36:46.180 --> 36:47.200 I know that people work 36:47.200 --> 36:47.640 for a living 36:47.640 --> 36:48.400 and they go to school 36:48.400 --> 36:48.920 for a living 36:48.920 --> 36:49.360 and they're out 36:49.360 --> 36:50.200 trying to get laid 36:50.200 --> 36:51.120 and all the other things 36:51.120 --> 36:52.220 that go along with life. 36:53.080 --> 36:54.180 But even if you just come 36:54.180 --> 36:55.060 and become a productive 36:55.060 --> 36:56.440 poster in the forums, 36:57.060 --> 36:58.060 you don't have to go out 36:58.060 --> 36:59.140 and make your own radio show. 36:59.220 --> 37:00.120 We certainly would help 37:00.120 --> 37:00.920 and support as much 37:00.920 --> 37:02.000 as we can if you did. 37:02.220 --> 37:02.920 A lot of people 37:02.920 --> 37:03.580 have done that. 37:04.320 --> 37:05.540 You can come write articles 37:05.540 --> 37:06.380 if you've got time 37:06.380 --> 37:07.300 or if that interests you. 37:07.360 --> 37:08.360 I like writing myself 37:08.360 --> 37:08.980 and some people, 37:09.120 --> 37:09.680 some other people 37:09.680 --> 37:10.260 might as well. 37:10.360 --> 37:11.040 Some people don't. 37:11.120 --> 37:11.760 Maybe they'd prefer 37:11.760 --> 37:12.780 doing a radio show. 37:13.320 --> 37:14.140 Maybe they'd prefer 37:14.140 --> 37:15.820 filming video footage 37:15.820 --> 37:16.460 for Hack TV 37:16.460 --> 37:17.540 or other shows. 37:17.640 --> 37:18.800 If they just want to come 37:18.800 --> 37:19.860 and hang out in IRC 37:19.860 --> 37:20.920 and chat during the day 37:20.920 --> 37:21.480 and have somebody 37:21.480 --> 37:22.900 to bounce questions off of. 37:23.640 --> 37:24.860 Any of these things 37:24.860 --> 37:25.560 is productive 37:25.560 --> 37:27.060 as opposed to 37:27.060 --> 37:28.100 coming into a forum 37:28.100 --> 37:28.680 and saying, 37:29.240 --> 37:29.900 you're a noob, 37:30.020 --> 37:30.740 you suck, 37:31.520 --> 37:32.560 going into IRC 37:32.560 --> 37:33.620 talking about how bad 37:33.620 --> 37:34.700 a radio show is 37:34.700 --> 37:35.320 or how bad, 37:35.680 --> 37:37.020 oh, your product is terrible 37:37.020 --> 37:37.940 and I can't stand 37:37.940 --> 37:38.580 Doc Droppers, 37:38.660 --> 37:39.540 what a horrible website 37:39.540 --> 37:40.120 that is. 37:40.440 --> 37:40.760 Okay, 37:41.360 --> 37:42.420 either make one 37:42.420 --> 37:42.900 that's better 37:42.900 --> 37:44.220 or help us fix 37:44.220 --> 37:45.020 the one that we have. 37:45.360 --> 37:46.580 And there's the line 37:46.580 --> 37:47.160 that gets crossed. 37:47.160 --> 37:48.460 There's the big difference 37:48.460 --> 37:49.660 and this is what 37:49.660 --> 37:51.560 separates the revolutionaries 37:51.560 --> 37:52.880 from, 37:53.040 --> 37:53.620 and I don't care 37:53.620 --> 37:54.600 if they're hackers or not, 37:54.680 --> 37:55.560 you can be a hacker 37:55.560 --> 37:57.040 and still be a sheep. 37:58.040 --> 37:58.880 I know that's a concept. 37:59.000 --> 37:59.760 Hackers hate to be 37:59.760 --> 38:00.540 referred to as sheep 38:00.540 --> 38:01.140 because we think 38:01.140 --> 38:02.580 the everyday person, 38:02.700 --> 38:03.160 the commoner, 38:03.220 --> 38:03.680 is the sheep 38:03.680 --> 38:04.320 or the sheeple. 38:04.880 --> 38:05.600 But you know what? 38:06.060 --> 38:07.560 You've got to come out here 38:07.560 --> 38:08.540 and do something. 38:08.680 --> 38:09.340 You can talk, 38:09.460 --> 38:09.660 talk, 38:09.760 --> 38:10.000 talk, 38:10.100 --> 38:10.300 talk, 38:10.380 --> 38:11.880 talk all day long. 38:11.880 --> 38:14.400 There's a lot of talkers 38:14.400 --> 38:14.980 in the world 38:14.980 --> 38:16.500 and they're called politicians. 38:17.280 --> 38:18.160 How about we actually 38:18.160 --> 38:19.180 do something? 38:19.800 --> 38:21.120 We produce something. 38:21.980 --> 38:22.380 Anything. 38:23.180 --> 38:24.520 And I've heard this argument 38:24.520 --> 38:25.040 and Drew's done. 38:25.140 --> 38:25.620 Let me tell you, 38:25.680 --> 38:26.420 let me ask you 38:26.420 --> 38:27.180 because I'm sitting here 38:27.180 --> 38:29.260 just babbling off 38:29.260 --> 38:29.660 what you know 38:29.660 --> 38:30.820 I can do sometimes. 38:30.940 --> 38:31.440 I was going to say 38:31.440 --> 38:32.180 blathering. 38:32.860 --> 38:33.120 Okay. 38:33.440 --> 38:34.940 Let me ask you this question 38:34.940 --> 38:36.000 and see what your opinion is 38:36.000 --> 38:37.000 because I think 38:37.000 --> 38:37.900 we might agree on this 38:37.900 --> 38:39.820 but is there such thing 38:39.820 --> 38:41.040 because this was posed 38:41.040 --> 38:41.760 to me recently 38:41.760 --> 38:44.840 and I tried to debate 38:44.840 --> 38:45.600 or make the person 38:45.600 --> 38:46.200 see the light 38:46.200 --> 38:46.760 in my opinion. 38:46.880 --> 38:47.500 Maybe I'm wrong. 38:48.160 --> 38:48.860 Is there such thing 38:48.860 --> 38:50.360 as a bad contribution 38:50.360 --> 38:51.520 to the hacking community? 38:51.700 --> 38:51.900 I mean, 38:51.920 --> 38:53.160 if somebody makes something 38:53.160 --> 38:53.840 that's just, 38:54.880 --> 38:55.420 frankly, 38:55.520 --> 38:56.160 not good, 38:57.820 --> 38:58.320 is that a bad thing? 38:58.320 --> 38:59.300 If someone makes something 38:59.300 --> 39:00.380 that is not good, 39:01.320 --> 39:01.640 okay, 39:01.940 --> 39:02.960 so let's say 39:02.960 --> 39:05.300 I saw a radio show 39:05.300 --> 39:06.180 called Impenomicon 39:06.180 --> 39:06.980 and it sucks. 39:07.900 --> 39:08.420 Okay. 39:09.380 --> 39:11.000 And instead of people 39:11.000 --> 39:11.700 emailing me 39:11.700 --> 39:12.060 and saying, 39:12.180 --> 39:12.580 hey, Droops, 39:12.720 --> 39:13.520 this sucks. 39:13.820 --> 39:14.880 This is freaking retarded. 39:15.020 --> 39:15.760 You're a fuckhead. 39:16.180 --> 39:17.140 And then going into forums 39:17.140 --> 39:17.640 and saying, 39:18.100 --> 39:18.800 Droops sucks. 39:18.900 --> 39:20.500 He made a stupid-ass radio show. 39:21.980 --> 39:23.960 People could either say, 39:24.040 --> 39:24.460 hey, Droops, 39:24.880 --> 39:25.480 here's some things 39:25.480 --> 39:25.780 you could do 39:25.780 --> 39:26.380 to do it better 39:26.380 --> 39:27.520 and maybe help me 39:27.520 --> 39:28.560 improve mine 39:28.560 --> 39:29.480 or say, 39:29.580 --> 39:30.340 Droops is an idiot 39:30.340 --> 39:31.120 to themselves. 39:31.440 --> 39:32.140 I could do something 39:32.140 --> 39:33.040 better than he can 39:33.040 --> 39:34.880 and then try to build 39:34.880 --> 39:36.840 off of my mistakes 39:36.840 --> 39:38.000 and make something better. 39:38.640 --> 39:39.220 So, no. 39:40.340 --> 39:41.080 I don't think 39:41.080 --> 39:41.540 that anyone 39:41.540 --> 39:42.720 that makes a contribution, 39:43.120 --> 39:44.560 even how bad it is, 39:44.820 --> 39:45.780 would spark an idea, 39:45.880 --> 39:46.740 it might spark an idea 39:46.740 --> 39:47.460 in someone else 39:47.460 --> 39:49.200 and make something better. 39:50.060 --> 39:50.540 Well, 39:50.620 --> 39:51.040 what about 39:51.040 --> 39:52.960 public disclosure? 39:53.120 --> 39:53.500 What about, 39:53.580 --> 39:53.840 you know, 39:53.900 --> 39:54.540 going out into, 39:54.700 --> 39:54.760 say, 39:54.780 --> 39:55.640 a public forum 39:55.640 --> 39:57.680 or an IRC channel 39:57.680 --> 39:58.820 or something like that 39:58.820 --> 39:59.420 and saying, 39:59.800 --> 40:00.020 hey, 40:00.160 --> 40:00.820 everybody, 40:01.080 --> 40:02.840 InfoNomicon radio sucks. 40:03.540 --> 40:03.820 Well, 40:04.160 --> 40:05.580 that just lets everyone 40:05.580 --> 40:06.620 know around them 40:06.620 --> 40:07.620 that they're just 40:07.620 --> 40:08.660 being a jackass 40:08.660 --> 40:09.900 because if it sucks, 40:10.160 --> 40:10.880 you're probably not 40:10.880 --> 40:11.520 the first person 40:11.520 --> 40:12.480 to recognize that 40:12.480 --> 40:14.040 and if you're going 40:14.040 --> 40:14.780 to be the jackass 40:14.780 --> 40:15.700 and not try to help 40:15.700 --> 40:17.020 and you just want to, 40:17.260 --> 40:17.420 ooh, 40:17.480 --> 40:18.440 I noticed that it sucked, 40:18.520 --> 40:19.340 I'm really cool, 40:19.760 --> 40:20.560 you're just making 40:20.560 --> 40:21.680 yourself a jackass 40:21.680 --> 40:23.040 and at least it tells 40:23.040 --> 40:23.460 other people, 40:23.600 --> 40:23.640 hey, 40:23.680 --> 40:24.440 I'm a jackass. 40:25.780 --> 40:26.180 Right, 40:26.320 --> 40:27.020 and also, 40:27.320 --> 40:27.600 you know, 40:27.680 --> 40:28.860 that's also 40:28.860 --> 40:29.880 an opinion-based thing. 40:29.980 --> 40:30.920 What you think sucks, 40:31.000 --> 40:31.900 other people may like. 40:31.900 --> 40:33.040 This is true. 40:33.260 --> 40:34.460 The truth of the matter is, 40:34.480 --> 40:35.460 the truth of the matter is, 40:35.500 --> 40:36.120 on that note, 40:36.820 --> 40:37.800 the stuff that sucks, 40:37.900 --> 40:38.780 and I'm not saying this, 40:39.000 --> 40:39.460 believe me, 40:39.480 --> 40:40.160 there is some stuff 40:40.160 --> 40:41.540 in the hacking scene, 40:41.680 --> 40:42.420 the hacking community 40:42.420 --> 40:43.340 or whatever that sucks. 40:43.460 --> 40:44.580 There are articles that suck. 40:45.100 --> 40:46.980 Mine may fall into that sometimes, 40:47.100 --> 40:47.720 the radio shows. 40:47.720 --> 40:49.340 Like every DDP project ever? 40:50.240 --> 40:50.640 Ever, 40:50.780 --> 40:51.780 every single one. 40:51.980 --> 40:52.700 Every one of them. 40:52.700 --> 40:53.080 You know, 40:53.160 --> 40:54.560 we're not down there 40:54.560 --> 40:56.000 with the InfoNomicon computer club 40:56.000 --> 40:56.340 or anything, 40:56.460 --> 40:56.900 but you know, 40:56.960 --> 40:57.920 we're towards the bottom. 40:58.840 --> 40:59.020 No, 40:59.100 --> 40:59.540 but I mean, 40:59.660 --> 41:00.780 the truth of the matter is, 41:00.840 --> 41:01.380 joking aside, 41:01.380 --> 41:02.240 the fact is, 41:02.800 --> 41:03.940 the crappy products, 41:04.060 --> 41:05.440 the crappy projects, 41:05.520 --> 41:06.100 excuse me, 41:06.620 --> 41:07.580 that people do, 41:07.940 --> 41:09.160 they're going to filter themselves 41:09.160 --> 41:09.720 to the bottom 41:09.720 --> 41:11.000 and eventually disappear. 41:11.360 --> 41:13.360 They don't hurt anybody necessarily. 41:13.920 --> 41:15.440 If you're getting false information 41:15.440 --> 41:16.220 or misinformation, 41:16.660 --> 41:18.060 that's kind of a little bit different 41:18.060 --> 41:19.120 because if somebody hears it 41:19.120 --> 41:20.380 and thinks that is truth, 41:21.020 --> 41:21.680 then yes, 41:21.740 --> 41:22.620 that can be a problem, 41:22.740 --> 41:23.940 but I think for the most part, 41:23.980 --> 41:24.440 it's one of those 41:24.440 --> 41:26.440 self-policing things 41:26.440 --> 41:27.940 where if somebody makes 41:27.940 --> 41:28.620 a misstatement 41:28.620 --> 41:29.920 and believe me, 41:30.000 --> 41:30.940 if anybody who's listened 41:30.940 --> 41:31.600 to the show knows 41:31.600 --> 41:33.000 that I give an email address 41:33.000 --> 41:33.700 at the end 41:33.700 --> 41:34.580 to say, 41:34.720 --> 41:36.440 if I've made any mistakes 41:36.440 --> 41:37.960 or misspoke about anything, 41:38.320 --> 41:39.020 by all means, 41:39.080 --> 41:39.900 let me know 41:39.900 --> 41:41.480 and I'll throw it out right now. 41:41.580 --> 41:43.120 This is just an opinion of mine. 41:43.200 --> 41:44.640 This is what the binary revolution 41:44.640 --> 41:45.300 is about. 41:45.440 --> 41:46.280 This is the goal 41:46.280 --> 41:47.600 is to bring people together, 41:48.140 --> 41:49.060 work on projects 41:49.060 --> 41:49.860 and things like that 41:49.860 --> 41:51.040 and try to get things done. 41:51.720 --> 41:53.340 That's what my opinion is. 41:53.400 --> 41:54.400 That's what my goal is 41:54.400 --> 41:55.500 for the binary revolution 41:55.500 --> 41:57.560 and it's going to stay that way 41:57.560 --> 41:58.440 and I hope people 41:58.440 --> 41:59.500 will be on board with it. 41:59.800 --> 41:59.980 Now, 42:00.040 --> 42:01.140 if you have any suggestions 42:01.140 --> 42:02.040 to make it better, 42:02.540 --> 42:03.340 by all means, 42:03.420 --> 42:04.140 email me 42:04.140 --> 42:05.280 and let me know. 42:05.820 --> 42:06.480 by all means, 42:06.560 --> 42:07.980 if you really want to be a jackass, 42:08.060 --> 42:08.920 you can go to the forums 42:08.920 --> 42:09.240 and say, 42:09.320 --> 42:09.500 listen, 42:09.640 --> 42:10.060 Stank Dogg, 42:10.060 --> 42:11.120 about that rant you went on, 42:11.160 --> 42:12.140 you fucking jackass. 42:12.180 --> 42:13.280 I hope you burn in hell. 42:13.860 --> 42:14.960 You can do that too 42:14.960 --> 42:17.140 but which one of those 42:17.140 --> 42:17.480 do you think 42:17.480 --> 42:18.520 is actually productive 42:18.520 --> 42:19.820 and might actually help 42:19.820 --> 42:21.140 the situation 42:21.140 --> 42:21.940 and which one of those 42:21.940 --> 42:23.280 is going to really harm 42:23.280 --> 42:24.460 or hurt the situation 42:24.460 --> 42:25.840 and, again, 42:25.920 --> 42:26.500 make you look like 42:26.500 --> 42:27.400 a complete jackass? 42:27.600 --> 42:28.340 Even if you're brilliant, 42:28.420 --> 42:29.400 you could be Albert Einstein 42:29.400 --> 42:30.220 for all I care 42:30.220 --> 42:31.800 but it's the way 42:31.800 --> 42:33.060 you go about doing things. 42:33.060 --> 42:35.840 So, yeah, 42:35.920 --> 42:36.760 I just want people 42:36.760 --> 42:37.460 to get together 42:37.460 --> 42:38.000 and, like, 42:38.060 --> 42:38.800 a lot of the times 42:38.800 --> 42:40.260 I get frustrated with 42:40.260 --> 42:42.060 and I admit it 42:42.060 --> 42:42.920 that I kind of go 42:42.920 --> 42:43.700 into these little 42:43.700 --> 42:46.140 negativity zones 42:46.140 --> 42:47.000 in the short term 42:47.000 --> 42:47.400 where I'm like, 42:47.500 --> 42:48.220 fuck everybody, 42:48.340 --> 42:49.060 I get pissed off 42:49.060 --> 42:50.080 because, you know, 42:50.120 --> 42:50.860 nobody helps 42:50.860 --> 42:51.920 or, you know, 42:51.980 --> 42:52.660 at least if somebody 42:52.660 --> 42:53.420 tries to help, 42:53.460 --> 42:54.400 I can never fault them 42:54.400 --> 42:54.820 for that. 42:55.400 --> 42:55.680 You know, 42:55.720 --> 42:56.320 I've had people 42:56.320 --> 42:56.860 that, you know, 42:56.920 --> 42:57.720 they just end up 42:57.720 --> 42:58.400 something happens 42:58.400 --> 42:59.060 in real life 42:59.060 --> 43:00.000 and they can't come through 43:00.000 --> 43:00.500 with it or whatever. 43:00.600 --> 43:01.260 That's one thing. 43:01.320 --> 43:02.240 That's understandable. 43:03.060 --> 43:03.640 But for somebody 43:03.640 --> 43:04.700 that just complains 43:04.700 --> 43:05.140 or somebody 43:05.140 --> 43:06.560 that just, you know, 43:07.180 --> 43:08.360 talks a bunch of shit 43:08.360 --> 43:09.360 but doesn't do anything 43:09.360 --> 43:09.920 on their own 43:09.920 --> 43:10.620 to back it up 43:10.620 --> 43:11.700 or to help the situation, 43:12.120 --> 43:12.860 I really don't have 43:12.860 --> 43:13.720 a whole lot of sympathy 43:13.720 --> 43:15.700 for that. 43:18.580 --> 43:19.780 Hardly in agreement, buddy. 43:20.880 --> 43:21.420 Yeah, well, 43:21.780 --> 43:22.400 and to put it 43:22.400 --> 43:22.960 in perspective, 43:23.460 --> 43:24.360 I used to, 43:24.420 --> 43:24.860 one of the things 43:24.860 --> 43:25.520 I used to do 43:25.520 --> 43:26.420 on the show 43:26.420 --> 43:28.260 in the early days 43:28.260 --> 43:29.280 and enough people, 43:30.280 --> 43:31.340 we won't say complain, 43:31.340 --> 43:32.080 but enough people 43:32.080 --> 43:32.880 made comment 43:32.880 --> 43:33.600 that it kind of 43:33.600 --> 43:34.520 took up too much time 43:34.520 --> 43:35.040 and they weren't 43:35.040 --> 43:35.840 interested in it 43:35.840 --> 43:37.160 was the statistics 43:37.160 --> 43:37.920 from the sites 43:37.920 --> 43:38.420 and the things 43:38.420 --> 43:38.900 that we do. 43:39.700 --> 43:40.860 So I'll briefly mention 43:40.860 --> 43:41.820 at least the statistics 43:41.820 --> 43:42.520 because I'm rather 43:42.520 --> 43:43.120 proud of it. 43:43.560 --> 43:44.480 Generally speaking, 43:44.580 --> 43:45.560 the binary revolution 43:45.560 --> 43:46.920 from when we started it, 43:47.640 --> 43:47.940 I mean, 43:48.040 --> 43:49.280 we started the binary revolution, 43:49.400 --> 43:50.020 we were getting less 43:50.020 --> 43:51.340 than 100 unique visits a day 43:51.340 --> 43:52.140 and those were mostly, 43:52.740 --> 43:53.080 you know, 43:53.120 --> 43:53.540 my friends. 43:53.620 --> 43:54.200 That was me 43:54.200 --> 43:54.740 and Duel 43:54.740 --> 43:55.500 and Bland 43:55.500 --> 43:56.180 and, you know, 43:56.240 --> 43:57.180 the regular crew, 43:57.340 --> 43:57.840 Wintermute, 43:57.840 --> 43:58.760 Nick84 43:58.760 --> 43:59.400 who's been around 43:59.400 --> 44:00.020 since the beginning 44:00.020 --> 44:00.960 who's still brilliant 44:00.960 --> 44:01.500 by the way. 44:01.740 --> 44:02.300 Shouts to Nick. 44:02.720 --> 44:03.100 Hell yeah. 44:05.100 --> 44:07.140 From less than 100 unique hits a day 44:07.140 --> 44:07.900 back when it was on 44:07.900 --> 44:08.880 stayingdog.com 44:08.880 --> 44:10.160 and we branched it off 44:10.160 --> 44:10.480 and said, 44:10.580 --> 44:10.700 you know, 44:10.720 --> 44:11.720 let's start this revolution, 44:11.860 --> 44:12.980 let's really make this happen 44:12.980 --> 44:14.280 to today, 44:14.660 --> 44:15.200 which is, 44:15.400 --> 44:15.600 gosh, 44:15.700 --> 44:15.840 what, 44:15.900 --> 44:17.060 three or four years later? 44:17.760 --> 44:18.700 I don't even know. 44:18.760 --> 44:19.760 I'd have to go look that up 44:19.760 --> 44:21.760 to, 44:22.120 --> 44:22.960 so far, 44:23.060 --> 44:23.620 this is, 44:23.680 --> 44:24.380 let's see, 44:24.460 --> 44:26.140 this is August of 2006 44:26.140 --> 44:27.880 and we have broken 44:27.880 --> 44:29.040 on a couple days 44:29.040 --> 44:30.580 this past two months 44:30.580 --> 44:32.660 over 10,000 unique visits a day. 44:33.500 --> 44:34.860 10,000 44:34.860 --> 44:36.180 up from 100 44:36.180 --> 44:36.800 when we started 44:36.800 --> 44:37.440 a few years ago. 44:37.780 --> 44:39.020 Even one year ago, 44:39.800 --> 44:40.800 even one year ago, 44:40.880 --> 44:41.980 we were around 4,000 44:41.980 --> 44:42.820 and some unique visitors, 44:42.940 --> 44:43.520 so we've doubled 44:43.520 --> 44:45.000 like basically every year, 44:45.080 --> 44:45.600 incrementally, 44:45.680 --> 44:46.320 we've been doubling 44:46.320 --> 44:46.920 and doubling 44:46.920 --> 44:47.520 and doubling 44:47.520 --> 44:48.540 every year 44:48.540 --> 44:49.420 since we've been out there. 44:49.880 --> 44:50.120 So, 44:50.480 --> 44:50.760 you know, 44:50.860 --> 44:51.520 even if something 44:51.520 --> 44:52.340 that we does sucks 44:52.340 --> 44:53.460 and I certainly wouldn't argue 44:53.460 --> 44:54.000 that it doesn't, 44:54.040 --> 44:55.420 we have had a few bad episodes 44:55.420 --> 44:55.960 of the show, 44:55.960 --> 44:56.660 we've hopefully 44:56.660 --> 44:57.620 had a few good ones, 44:58.100 --> 44:58.760 good articles 44:58.760 --> 44:59.820 mixed with bad articles, 44:59.920 --> 45:00.380 we try, 45:00.520 --> 45:01.360 we do what we can 45:01.360 --> 45:02.040 and you know what, 45:02.400 --> 45:03.780 with us all helping each other 45:03.780 --> 45:04.520 and working together, 45:04.640 --> 45:05.760 it can only get better 45:05.760 --> 45:07.020 all the time. 45:07.780 --> 45:07.900 So, 45:08.220 --> 45:09.520 some people are obviously 45:09.520 --> 45:10.580 getting something out of it 45:10.580 --> 45:12.200 and I've also said before 45:12.200 --> 45:13.240 and I'm going to say this again 45:13.240 --> 45:14.560 and I can't be, 45:15.200 --> 45:16.020 I can't make it 45:16.020 --> 45:16.800 any more sincere, 45:17.020 --> 45:18.960 I'm being completely honest 45:19.780 --> 45:20.680 when I say this 45:20.680 --> 45:22.080 because another thing 45:22.080 --> 45:23.100 that people have said to me 45:23.100 --> 45:23.980 is that I'm like 45:23.980 --> 45:25.040 this big glory hound 45:25.040 --> 45:25.980 and I'm a media whore 45:25.980 --> 45:26.440 or whatever, 45:27.400 --> 45:28.500 I'll gladly 45:28.500 --> 45:30.520 give up my name, 45:30.600 --> 45:31.420 I'll take my name 45:31.420 --> 45:32.420 off of things 45:32.420 --> 45:34.540 if it will get someone else 45:34.540 --> 45:35.040 to go out 45:35.040 --> 45:35.800 and produce something. 45:36.660 --> 45:37.560 These projects 45:37.560 --> 45:38.360 that I come up with 45:38.360 --> 45:39.020 and these ideas 45:39.020 --> 45:39.760 that I come up with, 45:39.860 --> 45:40.240 that's how I, 45:40.360 --> 45:41.060 that's how members 45:41.060 --> 45:41.960 get into DDP 45:41.960 --> 45:43.520 is that these are people 45:43.520 --> 45:44.500 that actually do stuff 45:44.500 --> 45:45.160 and impress me 45:45.160 --> 45:46.060 and show me things 45:46.060 --> 45:47.100 and when we come up 45:47.100 --> 45:48.080 with project ideas, 45:48.300 --> 45:49.560 we all work on them, 45:49.600 --> 45:50.360 we all share them 45:50.360 --> 45:51.260 and you work on this 45:51.260 --> 45:52.100 and I'll work on that, 45:52.100 --> 45:53.340 that's a great feeling 45:53.340 --> 45:55.780 so if I can go out there 45:55.780 --> 45:57.020 and give someone an idea 45:57.020 --> 45:58.180 or inspire someone, 45:58.320 --> 45:58.660 hey, 45:58.840 --> 45:59.040 you know, 45:59.080 --> 45:59.920 Snank was talking about 45:59.920 --> 46:00.720 this on the show, 46:01.400 --> 46:03.140 maybe I can do this about it, 46:03.160 --> 46:03.680 maybe I can write 46:03.680 --> 46:04.500 some code around this, 46:04.560 --> 46:05.440 what if I script that? 46:05.840 --> 46:06.660 If you do that, 46:06.980 --> 46:08.340 that means more to me 46:08.340 --> 46:09.120 than anything. 46:09.360 --> 46:10.160 I'll gladly, 46:10.440 --> 46:11.600 I don't want any credit, 46:11.700 --> 46:12.880 I don't want my name on it, 46:13.160 --> 46:14.380 I don't care if I have, 46:14.840 --> 46:15.980 I'll help you out, 46:16.100 --> 46:17.100 I'll co-author it, 46:17.160 --> 46:17.740 I'll edit it, 46:17.760 --> 46:18.300 I'll do anything 46:18.300 --> 46:19.180 and you don't even have 46:19.180 --> 46:20.200 to give me credit on it 46:20.200 --> 46:20.680 if you don't want to. 46:20.680 --> 46:21.920 It's not about that, 46:22.480 --> 46:23.820 it's about put up 46:23.820 --> 46:24.820 or shut up, 46:24.980 --> 46:25.480 do it, 46:25.780 --> 46:26.200 do it, 46:26.280 --> 46:26.580 do it 46:26.580 --> 46:27.120 and I think, 46:27.260 --> 46:27.540 Droops, 46:27.700 --> 46:28.580 that you, 46:28.760 --> 46:29.640 and I don't want to speak 46:29.640 --> 46:30.440 for anybody else, 46:30.560 --> 46:31.560 but you, 46:31.920 --> 46:33.500 the Infonomicon guys, 46:34.300 --> 46:34.740 DDP, 46:35.200 --> 46:36.560 myself specifically, 46:37.080 --> 46:38.620 I will bend over backwards, 46:38.740 --> 46:40.460 I'll do anything I can 46:40.460 --> 46:42.180 to help people out 46:42.180 --> 46:43.680 when it comes to producing stuff. 46:44.040 --> 46:44.900 If I can offer you 46:44.900 --> 46:45.500 free hosting, 46:45.900 --> 46:46.440 advice, 46:46.820 --> 46:47.380 suggestions, 46:47.720 --> 46:48.920 look over your code, 46:49.620 --> 46:50.340 anything, 46:50.680 --> 46:51.700 that I can do 46:51.700 --> 46:52.240 to help out, 46:52.320 --> 46:53.320 I will gladly do it 46:53.320 --> 46:53.940 and you don't, 46:54.480 --> 46:55.680 I don't need my name on it, 46:55.760 --> 46:57.460 I don't need any credit, 46:57.600 --> 46:58.680 I don't need any thanks, 46:59.140 --> 47:00.120 I just want somebody 47:00.120 --> 47:01.220 to do something. 47:01.820 --> 47:02.720 That's what BinRev 47:02.720 --> 47:03.380 is all about 47:03.380 --> 47:04.300 and a lot of people 47:04.300 --> 47:04.880 have done it. 47:05.640 --> 47:07.060 Look at the list of shows 47:07.060 --> 47:08.160 that have come out of this, 47:08.240 --> 47:08.860 look at the list of, 47:09.260 --> 47:10.340 look at the video shows, 47:10.420 --> 47:10.980 that's the other thing 47:10.980 --> 47:11.820 that blows my mind. 47:11.880 --> 47:12.780 We created Hack TV, 47:12.940 --> 47:13.840 it was unheard of 47:13.840 --> 47:15.700 and now look how many 47:15.700 --> 47:17.220 hacking video shows 47:17.220 --> 47:18.680 or technology video shows 47:18.680 --> 47:19.380 that call themselves 47:19.380 --> 47:20.260 hacking shows, 47:20.700 --> 47:21.800 there are out there. 47:22.940 --> 47:23.840 That's fine, 47:23.940 --> 47:24.800 I think that's great, 47:24.880 --> 47:25.940 the more the merrier 47:25.940 --> 47:26.980 and again, 47:27.120 --> 47:28.040 the ones that suck 47:28.040 --> 47:28.800 are going to filter 47:28.800 --> 47:29.380 to the bottom 47:29.380 --> 47:30.460 and hey, 47:30.580 --> 47:32.440 maybe that's Hack TV's destiny 47:32.440 --> 47:33.940 was to inspire others 47:33.940 --> 47:34.740 to do great things 47:34.740 --> 47:35.920 and we'll filter to the bottom 47:35.920 --> 47:37.480 as the crappiest one of all, 47:37.540 --> 47:38.480 that's okay with me. 47:38.820 --> 47:40.200 We prompted other people 47:40.200 --> 47:40.860 to do stuff 47:40.860 --> 47:42.900 and that is the most 47:42.900 --> 47:43.640 important thing 47:43.640 --> 47:45.000 and I'm actually pacing 47:45.000 --> 47:46.060 in my office right now 47:46.060 --> 47:46.940 and I'm starting to sweat 47:46.940 --> 47:47.880 because I'm on the podium 47:47.880 --> 47:48.520 here pounding. 47:49.460 --> 47:50.440 You can stop me 47:50.440 --> 47:51.420 at any time if you want 47:51.420 --> 47:52.200 because I could certainly 47:52.200 --> 47:53.140 keep going for an hour 47:53.140 --> 47:54.280 and a half on this subject. 47:54.920 --> 47:55.000 Well, 47:55.040 --> 47:56.100 that'll save me some work. 47:58.740 --> 47:59.060 Well, 47:59.340 --> 48:00.660 I think we'll wrap it up. 48:00.760 --> 48:00.880 I mean, 48:00.980 --> 48:03.180 the biggest message there is 48:03.180 --> 48:03.860 and I kind of, 48:03.940 --> 48:04.180 like I said, 48:04.220 --> 48:05.220 I went into this a little bit 48:05.220 --> 48:06.740 at Hope 48:06.740 --> 48:07.760 and if you want to see the video, 48:07.860 --> 48:08.260 you'll see me. 48:08.280 --> 48:09.260 I was really sweating there. 48:09.340 --> 48:10.060 I was really just 48:10.060 --> 48:11.020 up and down the aisles 48:11.020 --> 48:11.760 when I was going off 48:11.760 --> 48:12.180 on that one 48:12.180 --> 48:14.900 but I really sincerely 48:14.900 --> 48:15.520 mean this, 48:15.620 --> 48:15.800 people. 48:15.920 --> 48:17.420 I will help anybody 48:17.420 --> 48:18.560 do things. 48:18.660 --> 48:19.460 It's not about 48:19.460 --> 48:21.920 any perceived fame 48:21.920 --> 48:23.280 or any other crap like that. 48:23.340 --> 48:23.980 It's not about 48:23.980 --> 48:25.520 being a media whore. 48:25.640 --> 48:26.120 It's not about 48:26.120 --> 48:26.900 any of that stuff. 48:27.140 --> 48:28.060 I'll help anybody 48:28.060 --> 48:28.600 put something, 48:28.600 --> 48:29.620 I would rather help 48:29.620 --> 48:30.960 ten people put things out 48:30.960 --> 48:32.620 than put ten things out myself. 48:32.740 --> 48:33.380 I really would. 48:33.500 --> 48:34.380 I don't care if 48:34.380 --> 48:35.580 Stang Dog ever releases 48:35.580 --> 48:36.780 another thing ever 48:36.780 --> 48:38.080 if other people 48:38.080 --> 48:39.000 are doing it better. 48:40.060 --> 48:40.520 Hell yeah. 48:40.520 --> 48:42.060 I can't say it 48:42.060 --> 48:42.720 any better than that. 48:42.760 --> 48:43.440 That's why he gave me 48:43.440 --> 48:44.140 the radio show 48:44.140 --> 48:45.240 because I'm so much better. 48:46.240 --> 48:46.640 Exactly. 48:46.800 --> 48:47.540 Well, come on. 48:47.660 --> 48:47.880 I mean, 48:48.220 --> 48:49.340 that goes without saying. 48:49.400 --> 48:49.980 Do we really even 48:49.980 --> 48:50.660 have to say that? 48:50.760 --> 48:50.900 I mean, 48:50.920 --> 48:51.660 everybody listening 48:51.660 --> 48:52.720 knows that. 48:53.540 --> 48:53.820 I mean, 48:53.880 --> 48:54.560 come on. 48:55.220 --> 48:56.100 I'm just honored 48:56.100 --> 48:56.920 that you allowed me 48:56.920 --> 48:58.160 to be on the episode. 48:58.280 --> 48:59.240 Oh, yeah. 49:01.320 --> 49:02.320 But do you think, 49:02.380 --> 49:03.660 is the revolution working? 49:04.260 --> 49:04.480 I mean, 49:04.500 --> 49:05.020 you and I kind of 49:05.020 --> 49:06.040 talked about this before. 49:06.040 --> 49:07.000 Or, you know, 49:07.160 --> 49:08.860 why is the revolution failing? 49:09.120 --> 49:10.340 Why the revolution will fail? 49:10.420 --> 49:11.040 Is it failing? 49:12.220 --> 49:12.560 Well, 49:12.860 --> 49:13.120 I mean, 49:13.180 --> 49:13.920 with the increase 49:13.920 --> 49:14.560 of those numbers, 49:14.780 --> 49:15.020 I mean, 49:15.060 --> 49:15.840 I just can't see 49:15.840 --> 49:16.600 that it's failing. 49:17.040 --> 49:18.100 It may be failing 49:18.100 --> 49:19.000 at certain parts 49:19.000 --> 49:19.680 or it may be 49:19.680 --> 49:20.500 underachieving, 49:20.600 --> 49:21.560 I think is a better word. 49:22.040 --> 49:22.240 Yeah, 49:22.300 --> 49:22.860 I would definitely 49:22.860 --> 49:23.780 go with underachieving. 49:25.880 --> 49:26.620 We're trying to, 49:27.380 --> 49:28.040 over at the 49:28.040 --> 49:29.600 Imponomicon site, 49:29.600 --> 49:30.900 we're trying 49:30.900 --> 49:31.480 to figure out 49:31.480 --> 49:32.420 ways of getting 49:32.420 --> 49:33.260 people motivated 49:33.260 --> 49:34.080 to do things. 49:35.300 --> 49:35.940 And we like 49:35.940 --> 49:36.780 to help people 49:36.780 --> 49:38.620 that don't have 49:38.620 --> 49:39.340 a particular goal 49:39.340 --> 49:39.980 in mind 49:39.980 --> 49:41.120 and maybe they'll 49:41.120 --> 49:41.880 just be malicious 49:41.880 --> 49:42.540 and annoying 49:42.540 --> 49:44.200 and we can give 49:44.200 --> 49:44.600 them something 49:44.600 --> 49:45.860 positive to do 49:45.860 --> 49:47.120 and a little 49:47.120 --> 49:47.960 community base 49:47.960 --> 49:48.780 that they can, 49:49.100 --> 49:50.400 you know, 49:50.440 --> 49:50.800 use. 49:51.420 --> 49:52.080 And we started 49:52.080 --> 49:53.340 that TWAT radio show 49:53.340 --> 49:54.940 expecting to have 49:54.940 --> 49:55.640 ten episodes 49:55.640 --> 49:56.080 that me and 49:56.080 --> 49:56.860 Dossman recorded 49:56.860 --> 49:57.900 and have one person 49:57.900 --> 49:58.520 send one in. 49:59.600 --> 49:59.840 You know, 49:59.900 --> 50:00.480 so Dossman and I 50:00.480 --> 50:01.260 would do nine of them. 50:01.680 --> 50:02.320 And like that thing 50:02.320 --> 50:02.940 is almost on 50:02.940 --> 50:04.180 episode 140 now. 50:05.260 --> 50:06.100 And it's not been 50:06.100 --> 50:07.020 an everyday thing 50:07.020 --> 50:07.720 but the community 50:07.720 --> 50:09.480 has really stepped up 50:09.480 --> 50:10.120 and it's a lot 50:10.120 --> 50:10.940 of the same people. 50:11.600 --> 50:12.280 But they've really 50:12.280 --> 50:13.000 stepped up and said, 50:13.060 --> 50:13.140 hey, 50:13.160 --> 50:13.860 this is a good idea, 50:13.900 --> 50:14.740 I want to help with it. 50:16.840 --> 50:17.200 And, 50:17.280 --> 50:18.300 I don't know, 50:19.200 --> 50:20.120 the magazine's been 50:20.120 --> 50:20.920 getting out really slow. 50:21.160 --> 50:21.720 The DDP's been 50:21.720 --> 50:22.340 putting out the, 50:22.340 --> 50:24.400 what's the name 50:24.400 --> 50:24.980 of that damn thing? 50:25.000 --> 50:28.040 the BinRev magazine. 50:28.040 --> 50:31.140 I've been calling it 50:31.140 --> 50:31.360 lately, 50:31.440 --> 50:32.020 I've been calling it 50:32.020 --> 50:32.720 Break magazine. 50:32.900 --> 50:33.320 It kind of rolls 50:33.320 --> 50:33.820 off the tongue 50:33.820 --> 50:34.400 a little bit better. 50:34.500 --> 50:35.700 Maybe when we relaunch 50:35.700 --> 50:36.700 it'll be Break magazine. 50:37.020 --> 50:37.080 But, 50:37.160 --> 50:38.160 yeah, 50:38.200 --> 50:38.740 that goes back 50:38.740 --> 50:39.360 to what I said earlier 50:39.360 --> 50:39.840 about the whole 50:39.840 --> 50:40.560 real life thing. 50:40.940 --> 50:41.260 And actually, 50:41.320 --> 50:41.860 I'm glad you brought 50:41.860 --> 50:42.140 that up, 50:42.180 --> 50:42.260 Drew. 50:42.320 --> 50:42.980 What a great thing 50:42.980 --> 50:43.700 to bring up right now 50:43.700 --> 50:45.540 because we could 50:45.540 --> 50:46.660 certainly use some artists, 50:47.020 --> 50:48.000 people who have 50:48.000 --> 50:50.920 absolute definite experience 50:50.920 --> 50:52.000 in print layout 50:52.000 --> 50:53.140 and print technology. 50:53.140 --> 50:54.120 If you've done 50:54.120 --> 50:54.980 magazine layout, 50:55.100 --> 50:55.660 design work, 50:55.720 --> 50:56.320 stuff like that, 50:56.380 --> 50:57.020 please get in touch 50:57.020 --> 50:57.540 with us because 50:57.540 --> 50:58.060 we could certainly 50:58.060 --> 50:58.660 use the help. 50:59.580 --> 50:59.600 But, 50:59.680 --> 50:59.980 yeah, 51:00.020 --> 51:00.520 the people we've 51:00.520 --> 51:00.840 been having 51:00.840 --> 51:01.500 working on that 51:01.500 --> 51:02.260 out of both, 51:02.440 --> 51:03.300 in both cases 51:03.300 --> 51:03.840 have ended up 51:03.840 --> 51:04.420 getting married 51:04.420 --> 51:04.980 and moving 51:04.980 --> 51:06.060 and getting new jobs, 51:06.160 --> 51:06.440 et cetera, 51:06.500 --> 51:06.820 et cetera, 51:06.820 --> 51:07.120 which, 51:07.620 --> 51:07.940 again, 51:08.020 --> 51:09.240 always comes first. 51:10.240 --> 51:13.200 I think the magazine's 51:13.200 --> 51:14.060 a lot harder to do. 51:15.040 --> 51:15.300 Oh, 51:15.400 --> 51:15.520 yeah, 51:15.600 --> 51:15.840 well, 51:15.980 --> 51:16.340 it's not as 51:16.340 --> 51:17.460 instantly gratifying. 51:18.300 --> 51:19.740 It's difficult to do 51:19.740 --> 51:20.500 well. 51:20.620 --> 51:21.540 It's difficult to do 51:21.540 --> 51:21.980 right. 51:21.980 --> 51:23.200 You know, 51:23.280 --> 51:24.060 I could throw 51:24.060 --> 51:24.980 something out there 51:24.980 --> 51:26.880 and I'm biting my tongue 51:26.880 --> 51:28.220 on insulting another magazine 51:28.220 --> 51:28.940 but I could throw 51:28.940 --> 51:30.020 some stuff out there 51:30.020 --> 51:33.160 and get her done 51:33.160 --> 51:33.920 but, 51:34.540 --> 51:34.780 you know, 51:34.820 --> 51:35.580 I'm very proud 51:35.580 --> 51:36.520 of both the look 51:36.520 --> 51:37.300 and the feel 51:37.300 --> 51:38.080 and the content 51:38.080 --> 51:39.660 of BinRev magazine. 51:40.200 --> 51:40.460 So, 51:40.880 --> 51:41.100 yeah, 51:41.140 --> 51:41.920 to do it right 51:41.920 --> 51:43.280 is a whole different thing 51:43.280 --> 51:44.100 and anybody who's seen 51:44.100 --> 51:44.860 those magazines 51:44.860 --> 51:46.120 will know, 51:46.240 --> 51:46.580 you know, 51:46.680 --> 51:47.720 how incredible 51:47.720 --> 51:48.320 the work that 51:48.320 --> 51:48.960 Logan Five 51:48.960 --> 51:49.700 and Cypher X 51:49.700 --> 51:50.060 have done 51:50.060 --> 51:50.560 in the magazine 51:50.560 --> 51:51.380 in the past 51:51.380 --> 51:52.320 and, 51:52.400 --> 51:52.640 you know, 51:52.720 --> 51:53.580 they have big shoes 51:53.580 --> 51:53.960 to fill 51:53.960 --> 51:54.540 but if anybody 51:54.540 --> 51:55.340 does have, 51:55.500 --> 51:56.320 you know, 51:56.440 --> 51:56.940 experience 51:56.940 --> 51:57.380 and thinks 51:57.380 --> 51:58.180 that they can handle 51:58.180 --> 51:58.300 it, 51:58.320 --> 51:58.880 you can take a look 51:58.880 --> 51:59.820 at the samples 51:59.820 --> 52:00.580 that are on the website 52:00.580 --> 52:01.300 or if you have 52:01.300 --> 52:02.040 physical access 52:02.040 --> 52:02.820 to the magazines 52:02.820 --> 52:04.360 through your friends 52:04.360 --> 52:05.180 or through ordering them. 52:05.220 --> 52:05.580 By the way, 52:05.640 --> 52:06.200 I've sent out 52:06.200 --> 52:07.040 a lot of orders. 52:07.840 --> 52:08.860 We had some order 52:08.860 --> 52:09.880 fulfillment problems 52:09.880 --> 52:10.760 there for a little while 52:10.760 --> 52:11.520 that I was just 52:11.520 --> 52:12.620 recently made aware of 52:12.620 --> 52:13.820 so Phil sent a bunch 52:13.820 --> 52:14.340 of those out 52:14.340 --> 52:15.700 actually just before 52:15.700 --> 52:16.500 we recorded this 52:16.500 --> 52:17.660 so they are on their way 52:17.660 --> 52:18.380 so hopefully we'll get 52:18.380 --> 52:18.980 a lot of that stuff 52:18.980 --> 52:19.520 squared away 52:19.520 --> 52:20.680 and temporarily 52:20.680 --> 52:22.360 while we take care 52:22.360 --> 52:23.080 of those people 52:23.080 --> 52:24.520 and send our apologies 52:24.520 --> 52:25.220 to of course 52:25.220 --> 52:26.500 we have taken off 52:26.500 --> 52:27.620 the orders temporarily 52:27.620 --> 52:28.700 so right now 52:28.700 --> 52:29.980 we've got to kind of 52:29.980 --> 52:30.980 regroup and see 52:30.980 --> 52:32.020 exactly where we stand 52:32.020 --> 52:32.680 with the magazine 52:32.680 --> 52:34.960 and hopefully there will be 52:34.960 --> 52:36.180 a future there 52:36.180 --> 52:36.920 but that's for us 52:36.920 --> 52:37.420 to decide. 52:37.540 --> 52:38.660 It's kind of expensive too 52:38.660 --> 52:39.520 which is another thing 52:39.520 --> 52:41.480 that comes into play. 52:41.480 --> 52:43.280 Good deal. 52:43.880 --> 52:44.480 Well we're hoping 52:44.480 --> 52:46.040 our site we haven't 52:46.040 --> 52:46.740 announced yet 52:46.740 --> 52:47.740 is going to help 52:47.740 --> 52:48.520 with the whole 52:48.520 --> 52:49.920 getting people motivated 52:49.920 --> 52:50.660 to do things. 52:52.260 --> 52:53.320 We're really looking 52:53.320 --> 52:54.080 forward to that. 52:54.880 --> 52:55.520 Very cool. 52:55.580 --> 52:56.160 Now are you announcing 52:56.160 --> 52:57.080 that on the end of the show? 52:57.340 --> 52:58.100 We are actually. 52:58.940 --> 52:59.340 Cool. 52:59.520 --> 52:59.780 Cool. 52:59.840 --> 53:00.360 It'll be good to see 53:00.360 --> 53:00.920 what kind of feedback 53:00.920 --> 53:01.400 there is. 53:01.520 --> 53:01.760 And again, 53:01.860 --> 53:02.520 anybody that 53:02.520 --> 53:04.880 I sincerely mean this 53:04.880 --> 53:05.720 if you have any feedback 53:05.720 --> 53:08.500 on what I view 53:08.500 --> 53:09.480 as the hacking community 53:09.480 --> 53:10.080 and my thoughts 53:10.080 --> 53:10.800 on the revolution 53:10.800 --> 53:12.400 and what it stands for 53:12.400 --> 53:13.620 if you agree or disagree 53:13.620 --> 53:14.680 either way 53:14.680 --> 53:16.140 please send us an email. 53:16.700 --> 53:17.820 I would love to hear it 53:17.820 --> 53:18.480 and hear your thoughts 53:18.480 --> 53:20.580 because I make mistakes. 53:20.820 --> 53:21.040 Well, 53:21.160 --> 53:22.660 I made a mistake once. 53:23.380 --> 53:24.120 Well I thought I did 53:24.120 --> 53:24.980 but I was mistaken 53:24.980 --> 53:26.280 so I really didn't 53:26.280 --> 53:27.800 see that little 53:27.800 --> 53:29.300 double joke there. 53:29.360 --> 53:29.700 Never mind. 53:30.000 --> 53:30.740 So I love that 53:30.740 --> 53:31.180 Mother Fire 53:31.180 --> 53:32.220 wasn't a mistake now? 53:33.400 --> 53:34.240 Why don't you make up 53:34.240 --> 53:34.900 your damn mind? 53:35.460 --> 53:36.380 I had been drinking. 53:37.380 --> 53:37.800 You know, 53:37.980 --> 53:38.940 when you start drinking 53:38.940 --> 53:39.880 things happen 53:39.880 --> 53:40.700 you know, 53:40.920 --> 53:41.920 truth or dare 53:41.920 --> 53:43.180 spin the bottle. 53:44.260 --> 53:44.340 Look. 53:44.620 --> 53:45.620 My lingerie. 53:48.000 --> 53:48.480 Hey, 53:48.620 --> 53:49.760 all I know is 53:49.760 --> 53:51.000 there's only one person 53:51.000 --> 53:51.400 in DDP 53:51.400 --> 53:52.200 who's ever carried 53:52.200 --> 53:52.660 Big Red 53:52.660 --> 53:53.380 in their suitcase 53:53.380 --> 53:53.700 with them 53:53.700 --> 53:54.640 to a hacking convention. 53:54.800 --> 53:55.440 That's all I'm doing. 53:56.760 --> 53:57.600 I'm not going 53:57.600 --> 53:58.760 any further than that. 53:59.140 --> 53:59.820 Were you staying 53:59.820 --> 54:00.300 in the room 54:00.300 --> 54:01.100 with old Big Red? 54:03.320 --> 54:03.760 Unfortunately, 54:04.140 --> 54:04.780 yes I was. 54:05.000 --> 54:05.880 A little inside joke. 54:05.940 --> 54:06.520 We'll have to leave 54:06.520 --> 54:07.220 that one all alone. 54:07.300 --> 54:08.200 Let's leave that one hanging. 54:09.560 --> 54:10.220 Somebody's laughing 54:10.220 --> 54:11.240 out there right now. 54:11.480 --> 54:12.400 I walk into the room 54:12.400 --> 54:13.260 and there's Big Red 54:13.260 --> 54:14.100 just sitting there. 54:14.260 --> 54:14.820 And I was like, 54:14.860 --> 54:15.460 what the hell 54:15.460 --> 54:16.120 are y'all doing? 54:19.040 --> 54:19.400 Oh, 54:19.640 --> 54:19.920 shit. 54:20.000 --> 54:20.580 We might have to 54:20.580 --> 54:21.240 end up explaining 54:21.240 --> 54:21.820 that one later. 54:22.000 --> 54:22.380 But for now, 54:22.440 --> 54:23.340 it's the biggest red 54:23.340 --> 54:24.120 I've ever seen. 54:24.120 --> 54:33.800 What if his baggage 54:33.800 --> 54:34.200 would have been 54:34.200 --> 54:35.100 searched in the airport? 54:35.320 --> 54:36.080 What would he have said? 54:36.740 --> 54:37.040 Well, 54:37.100 --> 54:37.420 that's not, 54:37.480 --> 54:37.620 yeah, 54:37.660 --> 54:38.300 that's not exactly 54:38.300 --> 54:38.860 something you take 54:38.860 --> 54:39.580 on carry-on. 54:39.940 --> 54:40.300 No. 54:41.180 --> 54:41.800 Because you can't 54:41.800 --> 54:42.080 explain, 54:42.180 --> 54:42.800 especially whatever, 54:43.000 --> 54:43.600 by the way, 54:43.700 --> 54:44.120 I want to send 54:44.120 --> 54:45.160 a big fat fuck you 54:45.160 --> 54:46.020 out to these people. 54:46.540 --> 54:46.900 Now, 54:47.060 --> 54:47.840 I can't even carry 54:47.840 --> 54:48.680 fucking toothpaste 54:48.680 --> 54:49.400 and shampoo 54:49.400 --> 54:49.760 and shit 54:49.760 --> 54:51.080 when I travel, 54:51.200 --> 54:51.920 which for those 54:51.920 --> 54:52.360 of you who don't know, 54:52.400 --> 54:53.180 I travel quite a bit 54:53.180 --> 54:53.680 for a living. 54:54.420 --> 54:55.300 I can't even carry 54:55.300 --> 54:56.000 my fucking toothpaste. 54:56.140 --> 54:56.240 Now, 54:56.300 --> 54:57.280 because of you fuckers 54:57.280 --> 54:57.680 out there, 54:57.740 --> 54:58.580 you fucking terrorists 54:58.580 --> 54:58.980 out there 54:58.980 --> 54:59.420 that want to try 54:59.420 --> 55:01.060 to take fucking piss bombs 55:01.060 --> 55:01.720 or whatever the hell 55:01.720 --> 55:02.200 they were doing 55:02.200 --> 55:02.880 on the airplane, 55:03.160 --> 55:04.300 I can't carry on 55:04.300 --> 55:05.080 my luggage anymore 55:05.080 --> 55:05.780 and jump right off 55:05.780 --> 55:06.100 the plane 55:06.100 --> 55:06.480 and get where 55:06.480 --> 55:06.980 I need to go. 55:07.060 --> 55:07.420 I got to go 55:07.420 --> 55:08.660 fucking check my bag 55:08.660 --> 55:09.500 and then I got to 55:09.500 --> 55:10.340 get there and hope 55:10.340 --> 55:11.160 that the fucking thing 55:11.160 --> 55:12.100 made it in one piece 55:12.100 --> 55:13.180 and wait 15 minutes 55:13.180 --> 55:13.980 for it to come out. 55:14.940 --> 55:15.300 Oh, 55:15.620 --> 55:16.740 fucked up my whole 55:16.740 --> 55:18.640 way of life, 55:18.720 --> 55:19.180 basically. 55:19.760 --> 55:20.140 Yeah. 55:20.340 --> 55:20.540 So, 55:20.640 --> 55:21.560 big fat fuck you 55:21.560 --> 55:22.040 to them. 55:23.500 --> 55:23.900 Yeah. 55:24.000 --> 55:24.960 As if they listen, 55:25.300 --> 55:26.140 but whatever. 55:28.240 --> 55:28.880 Never know. 55:28.880 --> 55:29.080 Oh, 55:29.160 --> 55:29.540 Lordy. 55:30.420 --> 55:31.140 You never know. 55:31.700 --> 55:32.500 You never know. 55:33.120 --> 55:33.740 That's right. 55:33.880 --> 55:34.060 Well, 55:34.440 --> 55:34.740 troops, 55:34.900 --> 55:35.620 thank you for having 55:35.620 --> 55:36.160 me on the show 55:36.160 --> 55:36.340 there, 55:36.380 --> 55:36.520 buddy. 55:36.580 --> 55:36.920 I appreciate 55:36.920 --> 55:37.280 the platform. 55:37.280 --> 55:37.400 Well, 55:37.400 --> 55:38.100 thank you for coming 55:38.100 --> 55:39.300 on to the big show, 55:39.460 --> 55:39.900 Mr. Stinky. 55:40.120 --> 55:41.240 And I hope 55:41.240 --> 55:42.460 people will 55:42.460 --> 55:43.740 take heed 55:43.740 --> 55:44.760 and partake 55:44.760 --> 55:45.600 of your big announcement 55:45.600 --> 55:46.640 upcoming 55:46.640 --> 55:47.800 at the end of the show 55:47.800 --> 55:48.740 and I, 55:48.920 --> 55:49.160 of course, 55:49.160 --> 55:50.220 kind of know about it, 55:50.280 --> 55:50.420 but, 55:50.480 --> 55:50.720 you know, 55:51.360 --> 55:52.140 wait until everybody 55:52.140 --> 55:52.780 else hears it. 55:53.040 --> 55:53.500 Oh, 55:53.580 --> 55:53.740 yeah, 55:53.800 --> 55:54.480 and good job 55:54.480 --> 55:55.640 on HackerMedia.org, 55:55.720 --> 55:56.600 the new relaunched 55:56.600 --> 55:57.600 HackerMedia.org. 55:57.780 --> 55:58.040 Yeah, 55:58.120 --> 55:58.840 it's coming along. 55:59.560 --> 56:00.740 I'll reemphasize it 56:00.740 --> 56:01.420 on this episode 56:01.420 --> 56:01.820 of the show 56:01.820 --> 56:02.480 in case anybody 56:02.480 --> 56:03.200 didn't hear it 56:03.200 --> 56:04.680 in the underwater 56:04.680 --> 56:05.760 through tin cans 56:05.760 --> 56:06.980 episode of the show 56:06.980 --> 56:07.680 last week. 56:07.680 --> 56:08.540 You know, 56:08.900 --> 56:09.480 that episode 56:09.480 --> 56:11.080 sounded god-awful. 56:11.700 --> 56:13.140 It was pretty rough, 56:13.200 --> 56:13.920 so hopefully this one 56:13.920 --> 56:15.060 will be in better shape. 56:15.540 --> 56:15.920 Yeah. 56:17.060 --> 56:17.700 All right, 56:17.760 --> 56:18.000 well, 56:18.140 --> 56:18.700 I guess that's 56:18.700 --> 56:19.380 going to do it for me. 56:19.740 --> 56:19.860 Well, 56:19.920 --> 56:20.240 I'm going to go 56:20.240 --> 56:21.100 spray paint some stuff, 56:21.200 --> 56:21.300 buddy. 56:22.200 --> 56:22.600 All right, 56:22.660 --> 56:23.300 sounds like a plan. 56:23.660 --> 56:23.980 Later. 56:24.640 --> 56:25.000 Later. 56:26.140 --> 56:26.460 Well, 56:26.520 --> 56:27.540 I guess the whole point 56:27.540 --> 56:28.440 of all this mess 56:28.440 --> 56:28.860 that we've been 56:28.860 --> 56:29.760 going through tonight 56:29.760 --> 56:31.420 is that 56:31.420 --> 56:32.340 helping 56:32.340 --> 56:34.380 with projects 56:34.380 --> 56:35.000 and helping 56:35.000 --> 56:36.600 the community 56:36.600 --> 56:37.600 become better 56:37.600 --> 56:38.340 of what we do 56:38.340 --> 56:39.800 is very important 56:39.800 --> 56:41.800 and it's really cool 56:41.800 --> 56:42.520 for everyone 56:42.520 --> 56:44.960 to do things like that 56:44.960 --> 56:47.380 and be a whole group 56:47.380 --> 56:48.660 and not just be 56:48.660 --> 56:49.600 some guy 56:49.600 --> 56:50.460 sitting in his room 56:50.460 --> 56:51.420 drinking Mountain Dew 56:51.420 --> 56:52.740 recording Binary Revolution 56:52.740 --> 56:53.800 radio in his underwear 56:53.800 --> 56:55.880 or no pants at all. 56:57.060 --> 56:57.560 So anyway, 56:57.920 --> 56:59.460 sorry my chair squeaks, 56:59.460 --> 56:59.840 guys. 57:00.080 --> 57:00.640 I just really 57:00.640 --> 57:01.320 can't get comfortable. 57:02.100 --> 57:02.360 Anyway, 57:02.580 --> 57:03.300 I guess we have 57:03.300 --> 57:04.480 a big announcement 57:04.480 --> 57:05.080 to make. 57:06.100 --> 57:06.320 Anyway, 57:06.420 --> 57:06.860 like I said, 57:06.940 --> 57:07.360 Hacker Media 57:07.360 --> 57:08.880 has a sister site now. 57:09.040 --> 57:10.940 It's hackerprojects.org 57:10.940 --> 57:12.560 and if you go to it 57:12.560 --> 57:13.040 right now, 57:13.860 --> 57:15.240 it's not exactly finished 57:15.240 --> 57:15.660 because I've been 57:15.660 --> 57:16.380 a little busy 57:16.380 --> 57:19.200 but it's going to be 57:19.200 --> 57:20.260 a similar site 57:20.260 --> 57:21.100 to Hacker Media 57:21.100 --> 57:22.840 except there's 57:22.840 --> 57:23.660 a lot of projects 57:23.660 --> 57:24.160 that aren't, 57:24.200 --> 57:24.440 you know, 57:24.500 --> 57:25.920 done in an episode 57:25.920 --> 57:26.720 of a radio show 57:26.720 --> 57:27.360 or on a video 57:27.360 --> 57:28.920 and it's going to 57:28.920 --> 57:29.480 pull that. 57:29.700 --> 57:30.460 So like we would 57:30.460 --> 57:31.700 have an RSS feed, 57:31.840 --> 57:32.880 I've said his name 57:32.880 --> 57:33.600 like eight times 57:33.600 --> 57:34.580 but Mr. Iron Geek, 57:35.100 --> 57:36.340 I have an RSS feed 57:36.340 --> 57:38.120 from his site 57:38.120 --> 57:38.980 of all the things 57:38.980 --> 57:39.460 that he does 57:39.460 --> 57:40.060 that aren't going to 57:40.060 --> 57:40.800 be on the Hacker Media 57:40.800 --> 57:41.240 site. 57:41.920 --> 57:42.640 And we're going to 57:42.640 --> 57:43.360 have a spot 57:43.360 --> 57:44.540 where people can go 57:44.540 --> 57:46.160 to submit project ideas. 57:46.160 --> 57:47.100 so if people 57:47.100 --> 57:47.680 aren't creative 57:47.680 --> 57:48.620 and, you know, 57:48.660 --> 57:49.340 can do stuff, 57:49.880 --> 57:50.680 they can peruse 57:50.680 --> 57:51.300 through that. 57:52.040 --> 57:53.440 Or every time 57:53.440 --> 57:54.520 this gets updated 57:54.520 --> 57:55.060 or sometime, 57:55.500 --> 57:55.760 you know, 57:55.820 --> 57:56.120 whatever, 57:57.220 --> 57:57.800 it'll all be 57:57.800 --> 57:58.880 on the Hacker Project 57:58.880 --> 57:59.380 site. 57:59.500 --> 57:59.920 And we're still 57:59.920 --> 58:00.720 working on ideas 58:00.720 --> 58:01.220 for it. 58:01.740 --> 58:02.360 So again, 58:02.500 --> 58:03.180 feel free to get 58:03.180 --> 58:03.840 in touch with me. 58:04.520 --> 58:06.540 I'm always idling 58:06.540 --> 58:07.340 in IRC. 58:08.220 --> 58:09.040 It is possible 58:09.040 --> 58:09.660 to get in touch 58:09.660 --> 58:09.900 with me, 58:09.940 --> 58:10.480 it's not real hard, 58:10.540 --> 58:11.300 or email me 58:11.300 --> 58:14.080 and toss some 58:14.080 --> 58:15.040 ideas out for me. 58:15.540 --> 58:16.220 Because this is 58:16.220 --> 58:17.080 a Hacker Project 58:17.080 --> 58:17.900 site and I want 58:17.900 --> 58:18.300 it to be, 58:18.400 --> 58:18.840 you know, 58:19.760 --> 58:20.300 an aggregate 58:20.300 --> 58:21.600 for all the things 58:21.600 --> 58:22.200 that we do 58:22.200 --> 58:23.380 that make doing 58:23.380 --> 58:23.800 what we do 58:23.800 --> 58:24.440 so fun. 58:26.300 --> 58:27.060 And hopefully 58:27.060 --> 58:27.680 I'll have some 58:27.680 --> 58:28.220 naked pictures 58:28.220 --> 58:29.220 of myself up there 58:29.220 --> 58:30.280 pretty damn soon 58:30.280 --> 58:31.780 for people that 58:31.780 --> 58:32.460 want to practice 58:32.460 --> 58:33.040 their Photoshop 58:33.040 --> 58:34.140 skills or whatever. 58:35.660 --> 58:36.100 Whew! 58:36.440 --> 58:36.980 I guess that's 58:36.980 --> 58:37.440 a big one. 58:39.280 --> 58:39.720 Yeah. 58:39.720 --> 58:41.700 We're a group. 58:41.920 --> 58:42.920 We're a team. 58:43.320 --> 58:44.280 We're a community. 58:45.000 --> 58:46.160 We need to all 58:46.160 --> 58:47.180 stress this 58:47.180 --> 58:48.280 and all help 58:48.280 --> 58:48.700 each other. 58:49.420 --> 58:50.360 If something is 58:50.360 --> 58:51.100 done poorly, 58:51.800 --> 58:52.760 help people with it. 58:53.400 --> 58:54.260 Don't email them 58:54.260 --> 58:54.580 and say, 58:54.680 --> 58:55.160 hey, this isn't 58:55.160 --> 58:55.620 done right, 58:55.700 --> 58:56.100 fix it. 58:56.460 --> 58:56.820 When the fuck 58:56.820 --> 58:57.040 are you going 58:57.040 --> 58:57.520 to have it done? 58:59.000 --> 58:59.400 You know, 58:59.580 --> 59:01.120 we're a community. 59:01.600 --> 59:02.160 Help each other 59:02.160 --> 59:02.460 out. 59:03.240 --> 59:03.960 We're not like 59:03.960 --> 59:04.720 my little small 59:04.720 --> 59:05.380 town where you 59:05.380 --> 59:06.000 have to be in the 59:06.000 --> 59:06.220 know. 59:07.640 --> 59:07.980 You know, 59:08.040 --> 59:08.260 like, 59:08.700 --> 59:09.380 I wouldn't take 59:09.380 --> 59:09.960 my laptop 59:09.960 --> 59:10.880 and set it 59:10.880 --> 59:12.640 in front of my 59:12.640 --> 59:13.500 office and 59:13.500 --> 59:14.220 expect my 59:14.220 --> 59:14.700 neighbors to 59:14.700 --> 59:15.540 look after it. 59:15.900 --> 59:16.520 But I would 59:16.520 --> 59:16.860 go to a 59:16.860 --> 59:17.420 hacker con 59:17.420 --> 59:18.060 and set it 59:18.060 --> 59:18.500 down and 59:18.500 --> 59:19.160 expect everyone 59:19.160 --> 59:19.780 around there 59:19.780 --> 59:21.240 to watch my 59:21.240 --> 59:22.500 shit because 59:22.500 --> 59:23.240 we're a community 59:23.240 --> 59:24.280 and we're good 59:24.280 --> 59:24.640 people. 59:26.220 --> 59:26.940 And, uh, 59:27.380 --> 59:28.800 well, you know, 59:28.820 --> 59:29.140 there's always 59:29.140 --> 59:29.780 the bad eggs. 59:30.080 --> 59:31.080 So, if you're 59:31.080 --> 59:31.600 not good people, 59:31.680 --> 59:32.080 don't say, 59:32.180 --> 59:33.780 ah, I'll 59:33.780 --> 59:34.380 fool you and 59:34.380 --> 59:34.780 steal your 59:34.780 --> 59:35.580 laptop and 59:35.580 --> 59:36.060 sell it for 59:36.060 --> 59:37.040 $20 because 59:37.040 --> 59:37.540 that's what 59:37.540 --> 59:38.180 fuckers were. 59:38.180 --> 59:39.580 So, I guess 59:39.580 --> 59:40.060 from now on 59:40.060 --> 59:40.960 I'm taking my 59:40.960 --> 59:41.660 Pentium 90 to 59:41.660 --> 59:42.020 cons. 59:43.200 --> 59:43.620 Well, anyway, 59:43.820 --> 59:44.420 I guess this 59:44.420 --> 59:45.000 has been a 59:45.000 --> 59:46.380 Binary Revolution 59:46.380 --> 59:47.640 radio episode. 59:48.600 --> 59:49.120 And our 59:49.120 --> 59:49.840 closing music 59:49.840 --> 59:51.420 tonight is a 59:51.420 --> 59:52.020 band we should 59:52.020 --> 59:52.820 have used last 59:52.820 --> 59:53.460 week on the 59:53.460 --> 59:54.320 Horrible Underwater 59:54.320 --> 59:56.200 episode, but 59:56.200 --> 59:56.720 it's a band 59:56.720 --> 59:58.000 called Of a 59:58.000 --> 59:59.460 Revolution, if 59:59.460 --> 01:00:00.000 you're around a 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:00.720 college radio 01:00:00.720 --> 01:00:01.960 station or, uh, 01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:03.560 I don't know. 01:00:03.860 --> 01:00:04.660 I'm not ever in 01:00:04.660 --> 01:00:05.020 the know. 01:00:05.020 --> 01:00:06.020 In my entire 01:00:06.020 --> 01:00:06.460 life, I've 01:00:06.460 --> 01:00:06.900 never been in 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:07.220 the know. 01:00:07.520 --> 01:00:08.120 So, maybe they 01:00:08.120 --> 01:00:09.080 suck and everyone 01:00:09.080 --> 01:00:09.600 makes fun of 01:00:09.600 --> 01:00:10.300 them, but I 01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:11.080 really enjoy their 01:00:11.080 --> 01:00:11.560 music. 01:00:12.340 --> 01:00:13.040 And I found 01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:13.400 this on 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:14.720 archive.org, 01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:16.100 this Of a 01:00:16.100 --> 01:00:17.120 Revolution band, 01:00:17.540 --> 01:00:18.300 and they are 01:00:18.300 --> 01:00:19.120 singing a song 01:00:19.120 --> 01:00:20.080 called The 01:00:20.080 --> 01:00:21.480 Wait, which 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:22.140 is a cover of 01:00:22.140 --> 01:00:23.160 a band, of a 01:00:23.160 --> 01:00:24.120 song by a band 01:00:24.120 --> 01:00:24.740 called The 01:00:24.740 --> 01:00:26.260 Band, which, 01:00:26.740 --> 01:00:28.000 that's awesome. 01:00:28.780 --> 01:00:29.600 It's like, uh, 01:00:29.600 --> 01:00:30.060 how do you, how 01:00:30.060 --> 01:00:30.700 do you use 01:00:30.700 --> 01:00:31.200 Napster? 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:31.960 Okay. 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:32.960 How do you 01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:34.720 scour.net to 01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:36.340 find a song, you 01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:36.680 don't know the 01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:37.280 name of it, but 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:37.580 you know the 01:00:37.580 --> 01:00:37.960 name of the 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:38.920 band is Live. 01:00:39.620 --> 01:00:40.120 Search for 01:00:40.120 --> 01:00:41.160 music with Live 01:00:41.160 --> 01:00:41.980 in the title, and 01:00:41.980 --> 01:00:42.800 you'll definitely 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:43.520 find Dolphins 01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:43.900 Cry. 01:00:45.240 --> 01:00:46.500 Okay, anyway, 01:00:47.060 --> 01:00:47.680 this has been a 01:00:47.680 --> 01:00:48.340 Binary Revolution 01:00:48.340 --> 01:00:48.800 Radio. 01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:50.220 I have been 01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:51.120 Droops, and we 01:00:51.120 --> 01:00:51.960 will see you, 01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:53.080 of course, this 01:00:53.080 --> 01:00:54.060 is, you know, the 01:00:54.060 --> 01:00:55.060 downfall of Binary 01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:55.820 Revolution Radio, 01:00:55.940 --> 01:00:56.780 when Droops took 01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:58.360 over, but, uh, 01:00:58.840 --> 01:00:59.340 we'll see you 01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:00.400 same hack time, 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.340 well, hopefully, 01:01:02.540 --> 01:01:03.280 we will see you 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:04.460 same hack time, 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:05.380 same hack 01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:05.700 channel. 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:08.880 Weird thing to 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:09.300 do, but I 01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:10.340 couldn't do it. 01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:21.300 I pulled into 01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:23.000 Nazareth, was 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:23.840 feeling about 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:24.520 half past 01:01:24.520 --> 01:01:27.300 dead, and I 01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:28.380 just need some 01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:29.840 place where I 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:30.780 can lay my 01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:31.880 head. 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:34.100 Hey, mister, can 01:01:34.100 --> 01:01:35.000 you tell me 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:35.840 where I 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:36.420 am I 01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:37.800 find a bed? 01:01:39.020 --> 01:01:39.760 He just 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:40.560 grim and 01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:41.280 shook my 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:41.820 hand, 01:01:42.180 --> 01:01:43.240 knows all 01:01:43.240 --> 01:01:44.100 he said. 01:01:45.720 --> 01:01:46.740 Take a load 01:01:46.740 --> 01:01:47.100 off, 01:01:47.160 --> 01:01:47.580 man, 01:01:47.580 --> 01:01:49.920 take a load 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:50.600 for free, 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.120 take a load 01:01:53.120 --> 01:01:53.500 off, 01:01:53.500 --> 01:01:53.980 man, 01:01:53.980 --> 01:01:58.600 and put the 01:01:58.600 --> 01:02:11.540 right on ground 01:02:11.540 --> 01:02:12.060 on me. 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:13.980 tell me 01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:14.240 how'd it be? 01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:14.260 He said, 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:14.980 come, 01:02:14.980 --> 01:02:16.540 come on, 01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:19.980 let's go down. 01:02:19.980 --> 01:02:21.100 Say, I 01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:24.560 Come on, come on, let's go downtown 01:02:24.560 --> 01:02:30.680 Sister, I got a core, my friend can't stick around 01:02:30.680 --> 01:02:34.140 Take a load off, Fanny 01:02:34.140 --> 01:02:37.060 Take a load off, Fanny 01:02:37.060 --> 01:02:40.620 Take a load off, Fanny 01:02:40.620 --> 01:02:46.980 Hey, you put the Lord out on me 01:02:51.100 --> 01:02:55.340 Go down, Miss Moses 01:02:55.340 --> 01:02:58.420 You know there's nothing that you can say 01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:01.580 This is just old Luke 01:03:01.580 --> 01:03:04.860 And Luke's waiting on the judgment day 01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:08.140 I said, Luke, my friend 01:03:08.140 --> 01:03:11.060 What about your man, Fanny 01:03:11.060 --> 01:03:14.500 He said, do me a favor 01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:17.860 So won't you stay, keep your man, Fanny 01:03:17.860 --> 01:03:21.080 Take a load off, Fanny 01:03:21.080 --> 01:03:27.460 Take a load off, Fanny 01:03:27.460 --> 01:03:34.480 Hey, you put the Lord out on me 01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.080 Hey, Steven, why don't you give me some heart, man? 01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:47.480 Hey, Steven, why don't you give me some heart, man? 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.180 Hey, Steven, why don't you give me some heart, man? 01:03:50.180 --> 01:04:08.460 She said sir, follow me 01:04:08.460 --> 01:04:10.640 And he caught me in the fire 01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:14.800 He said, I'll fix your rack 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.780 If you'll take Jack, my dog 01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:20.960 I said, wait a minute, Chester 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.080 You know I'm a beautiful man 01:04:24.080 --> 01:04:27.660 He said, that's okay, boy 01:04:27.660 --> 01:04:30.220 Just eat him when you can 01:04:30.220 --> 01:04:33.800 Take a load off Fanny 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.860 Take a load for three 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:40.280 Take a load off Fanny 01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:47.280 Right on me 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:55.620 Catch a cannonball 01:04:55.620 --> 01:04:57.960 Only take me on down the line 01:04:57.960 --> 01:04:59.860 Take me on down the line 01:04:59.860 --> 01:05:01.920 My bag is singing low 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.460 And I do believe it's time 01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:07.960 To get back to Miss Fanny 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:10.680 You know she's the only one 01:05:10.680 --> 01:05:17.020 With her regards for everyone 01:05:17.020 --> 01:05:20.760 Take a load off Fanny 01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:23.360 Take a load off Fanny 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:27.200 Take a load off Fanny 01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:33.540 And you put a load right on me 01:05:33.540 --> 01:05:38.280 Thank you guys so much for having all of us tonight 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.140 We appreciate you very much 01:05:40.140 --> 01:05:42.940 We'll see you soon 01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:56.620 The height of the sun 01:05:56.620 --> 01:05:57.880 We'll see you soon 01:06:00.560 --> 01:06:03.180 We'll see you soon