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I

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My name is Neo and I'm a hero

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast

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You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hood, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I carved the fight between Un and Jay-Z

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it night free

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crew

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They're real phones, swords, toes, eyes, toes, rad, cip, cip

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This is dedicated to the hackers

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Hello! Welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 179

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And today's date here is December 26, 2000

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Okay, we're not gonna say that

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This is a kind of a, this is 179

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And the supposed air date was the 26th

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But due to a bit of miscommunications

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And I thought Stank Dog was going to do it

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And Stank Dog thought I was going to do it

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We didn't actually end up doing a show for this week

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So this is our makeup show

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It's 179, we're gonna get this up hopefully

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Before the new year

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I really hope, unless I get too drunk tomorrow night

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And we'll try to get all that figured out

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And with us this week is Paladin

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How you guys doing?

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Yeah, pretty good

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Is there someone else here besides me?

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I looked under my seat, I don't see anybody

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Yeah, how are you doing, BlackRash?

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I'm doing pretty well with the fact that

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We're just kind of sheepishly explaining

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Why we didn't have a show this week

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I'm actually curious how many

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I'm actually curious how many people

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Didn't notice that we didn't have a show this week

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As, you know, combined with the issues

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We haven't had issues updating the podcast

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And I don't think the past two shows

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Have actually gone out live

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Due to the server issues

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And that kind of messes up everything down the line

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But I'm curious as to

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And plus with all the holidays

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I'm curious if anyone's actually downloaded the show this week

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I bet everyone's like expecting this

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Like they're listening to the show

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And it's like, oh, it didn't air?

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Oh, jeez

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But I don't know

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I guess we can make like predictions for the future

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To prove like this is actually in the future

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Saddam's dead

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Yay!

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Yeah, well

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I'm sure there's all kinds of people going out there

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Oh, you know, he was a good guy

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He didn't mean to kill all those hundreds of people

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That was a frame job

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I don't know

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Yeah, this is politics

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We're getting away from that

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So, how are you doing?

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Fantastic

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I had a wonderful holiday

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Yourself?

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Yeah

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I did pretty good for my holiday

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Yeah, because it's after Christmas

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Actually, it would be after Christmas

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No matter what

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Even if we heard this live

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Yeah, I got some nice books

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I got some computer-related gizmos

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I got an electronic weather station

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So now I can find out what the temperature is

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And what the forecast is

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From the comfort of my own home

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Awesome

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Yeah, my parents have one of those

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They're really, really interesting

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It's cool

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I like it

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It is currently 35.4 degrees outside

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Wow

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With a barometric pressure of 30.30 inches

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Fantastic

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Yeah

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I mean, you always should wear like

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Cool like me

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Now, does

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So, yes

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Does it do the satellite update thing?

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With the time and all that good stuff?

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It does

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It's not satellite

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It does it through

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WWV in Colorado

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I think that's where it is

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Awesome

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Probably syncs with

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And actually

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This

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Well, yeah, yeah

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This one actually does it

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But I actually find I'm using

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That my Radio Shack clock

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That's supposed to do it

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Only updates like

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Once in a blue moon

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Through the same source

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Even though they're like

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Two feet away

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Not even two feet away

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They're like

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Six inches from each other

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And the weather station

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Picks up the signal

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Actually, I'm curious

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If the weather station

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Picks it up

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Or the remote transmitter

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Picks it up

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That's a good question

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That could be the difference

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Who knows?

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Who knows?

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Yes, enough about my weather station

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I don't know

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I think we already covered

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The fact that

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This is a pre-recorded late show

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So

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We'll forgive you

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And hopefully

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180 will be out on time

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We're going to hopefully

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Record that Monday

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What we're going to talk about

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Don't know yet

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But we're going to

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Talk about something

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And gosh darn

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It's going to be cruel

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I'm sure it'll be fine

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Yes

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Alright, shall we

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Go into email?

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Absolutely

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Our first email tonight

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Is from

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Sissy

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Sisyphean

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It's all you, man

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I wouldn't even try to pronounce that one

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Yeah, see this is the problem

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People, just make it easy on me

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Include a pronunciation key

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With your

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With your emails

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I think that's actually

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Sisyphean

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Isn't that like someone

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From like Greek mythology?

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I believe it may be

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I don't know

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I never took

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Latin or Greek mythology

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Or any of those people

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So

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Anyway

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Sisyphean writes

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Please, please, please

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No more episodes

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On wilderness

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Boy Scouts, etc

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My ears are bleeding

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It's so boring

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I like to listen to bin rev

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But for the tech

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Hacking related stuff

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Not the woods

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Closest I ever get

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To the wilderness

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Is Central Park

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In New York City

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From Sissyphean

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Well, you know

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It's like everyone

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Complains about having

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To listen to safety lecture

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Before the plane takes off

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But like

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As soon as the engines

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Start catching fire

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They start scrambling

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You know

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Making sure

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There's heat belts buckled

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And reading the little

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Safety evacuation manual

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Hacking isn't restricted

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It's that

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It's handy to know

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It was some good stuff

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You were actually

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Part of the

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The naysayers

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Weren't you

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Spalladin

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Yes

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Yes, I was

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Yes

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But of course

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You actually

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Knew all of this

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Yes, the majority of it

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I was in

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Boy Scouts

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When I was younger

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So

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Yes, it was all

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Not new to me

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Yes

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I bet

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Actually

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Sisyphean

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I'm like right now

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It's like

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His ears are bleeding again

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Because there's two

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Boy Scouts

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On the show

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And he's like no

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I don't want to listen to it

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The Scoutmaster touched me

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But anyway

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Yes

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People just

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You know

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They complain about it

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But hacking

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Like I said

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Hacking isn't restricted

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It's just

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It's there

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Hacking is wilderness

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Hacking

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Hacking is hacking

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Your car

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I think

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Like Stankdog

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Caught a lot of fire

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Back in

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Hack TV 1

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When he was talking

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About modding his car

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But that's car hacking

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Hacking isn't just

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Computer stuff

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Absolutely

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Totally

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There's a lot of

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Computer cars these days

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Yeah, that is true

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I actually know someone

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Who hacked a computer

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In their car

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He made it all up

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And I actually

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The only problem

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That I have with it

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I think it ran Windows

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But that was

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Because he wanted

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Some type of

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Turn by turn

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GPS software

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So I really couldn't

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Blame him for that

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Hey, Windows

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Keeps us security

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Professionals

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Employed

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Indeed

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Indeed

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Indeed it does

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I remember when

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Like NT4

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Had out

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And came out

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And they had the

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Zero administration

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Toolkit

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And I remember

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I remember

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Like going

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Oh, wow

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This is interesting

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Let me

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Should I set this up

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And I'm looking at it

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Going

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Like, my god

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This will keep us

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Employed for years

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And so it began

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And so it began

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Indeed

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Windows NT4

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NT standard

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Nice try

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Who's our

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Who's our next email

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Our next email

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Is from Bladesjester

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And Sisyphean

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You might want to

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Skip ahead

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Maybe about five

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Maybe ten minutes

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Depending on how long

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It takes me to read this

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So just

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Just so you know

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Black Ratchet

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While listening to

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Survival episodes

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There are a few

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Things that come to mind

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The first thing

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That you do

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As a general rule

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Is to take inventory

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Which we sort of covered

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Though you do not want

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To improvise

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Anything and everything

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Survival training

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101

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What do we have

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And what do we need

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Don't use up resources

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On things that you

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Don't need

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Or can make

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Some other way

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If the resource

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Is something

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You don't have much of

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Since it is something

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That may be of use

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More use later

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Secondly

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On preparing a shelter

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Forests are a mixed blessing

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If you have built

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A shelter to stay in

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They can provide cover

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And are usually

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A good source

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Of food and resources

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However they are

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Also dangerous

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During storm

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Because of falling limbs

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During storm

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Because of falling limbs

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Some of which

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That can easily crush you

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On the poncho lean-to

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The poncho is not necessary

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Creating a lean-to

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And then filling it

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The gaps with smaller branches

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And covering it

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With leaves

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Pine needles

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And dirt

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Dirt is extremely good

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Insulator

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Is also very effective

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We're trying to be

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Frugal with our resources

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Because we may need

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To use them

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For something else later

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And there is a lot

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Better uses for cloth

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If you have options

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For materials

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You can make your shelter

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Out of

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After drinking water

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Boiling it will kill

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The microbes

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Boiling receptacles

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Can be made from

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Anything ranging from

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Large leaves

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To leather sacks

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To wooden poles

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Which aren't horribly

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Hard to make

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If you can't boil the water

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Try to find some water

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That animals are drinking

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Extra points for finding

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Suitable water

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That's being filtered

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Through a sandstone

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Because it's a very good

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Natural filter

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If you can't find

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Animal tracks around the water

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And the water is clear

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And flowing

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As in not stagnant

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Check to see whether

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Or not there are many

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Insect larvae in the water

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Many types of larvae

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Are a good indicator

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Of whether or not

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The water is polluted

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Since they do not

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Tolerate pollution well

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Food is a little trickier

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Most things that deer

10:50.540 --> 10:51.540
Andy said bears

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Eat

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Generally

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Are generally

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Fairly safe to consume

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Though there are

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Always exceptions

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Acorns may be eaten

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However

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Before you do

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They really need to have

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The toxins removed

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By shelling them

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Placing them in a cloth bag

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Of some sort

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And put the sack

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In the running water

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For a few days

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Around ponds

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Or other still

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Or slowly flowing

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Potties of water

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Dig up the cattail

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With the tubes

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On the roots

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That can be eaten

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Like potatoes

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Or grounded

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As a substance

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Like flour

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I actually remember that

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From some book

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Two of the things

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That you generally

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Want to avoid eating

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If they are only

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Food available

11:26.360 --> 11:27.640
Are trout and rabbits

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And it is actually

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Possible to starve

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To death on them

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However

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If other foods

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Such as tubers

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And acorns

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And other forms

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Of meat

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Are available

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Then the trout

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And rabbits

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Are fair game

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No pun intended

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I could go on for a while

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But I don't like to ramble

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This is what I get for

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Among other things

11:43.500 --> 11:44.380
Growing up around

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An ex-marine area

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Which a lot of wilderness

11:46.460 --> 11:47.080
Is available

11:47.080 --> 11:48.440
Several hundred acres

11:48.440 --> 11:49.620
Of which was owed

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By my family

11:50.380 --> 11:51.500
So I actually have a place

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I could run off to

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If the mood struck me

11:53.080 --> 11:53.880
Regards

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Bladesjester

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Wow

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I actually don't think

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I don't think

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I stumbled through that

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Pretty much

11:58.780 --> 11:59.420
That's a pretty good reading

11:59.420 --> 12:01.020
Yeah

12:01.020 --> 12:03.780
So

12:03.780 --> 12:05.100
Since you're a boy scout

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What do you think

12:06.820 --> 12:07.220
Of that email

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Oh wow

12:07.740 --> 12:11.800
That was very informative

12:11.800 --> 12:12.180
Yeah

12:12.180 --> 12:12.800
He can definitely

12:12.800 --> 12:13.720
He can definitely

12:13.720 --> 12:14.320
Hold his own

12:14.320 --> 12:14.800
In the wilderness

12:14.800 --> 12:15.600
That's for sure

12:15.600 --> 12:17.500
Yeah definitely

12:17.500 --> 12:18.920
I do remember

12:18.920 --> 12:19.600
The roots thing

12:19.600 --> 12:20.400
And I think

12:20.400 --> 12:20.840
I remember that

12:20.840 --> 12:21.720
From wilderness survival

12:21.720 --> 12:22.480
Or camping

12:22.480 --> 12:22.960
Or something

12:22.960 --> 12:24.000
I remember hearing

12:24.000 --> 12:24.300
That

12:24.300 --> 12:26.940
That they were edible

12:26.940 --> 12:27.460
Although I never

12:27.460 --> 12:27.880
Actually heard

12:27.880 --> 12:28.680
The flower thing

12:28.680 --> 12:30.640
And as for

12:30.640 --> 12:31.220
The improvised

12:31.220 --> 12:32.080
Anything and everything

12:32.080 --> 12:32.640
I mean

12:32.640 --> 12:33.680
I really don't expect

12:33.680 --> 12:34.220
Us to go

12:34.220 --> 12:34.860
We're Irish

12:34.860 --> 12:36.020
And you know

12:36.020 --> 12:36.840
Say oh man

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We have a bunch

12:37.320 --> 12:37.700
Of matches

12:37.700 --> 12:38.180
Let's go make

12:38.180 --> 12:39.060
A bomb out of it

12:39.060 --> 12:39.600
And I

12:39.600 --> 12:40.800
Yeah

12:40.800 --> 12:42.200
We were kind of

12:42.200 --> 12:42.880
Hoping that common

12:42.880 --> 12:43.900
Sense would prevail

12:43.900 --> 12:44.260
But

12:44.260 --> 12:45.900
That's a very good

12:45.900 --> 12:46.260
Statement

12:46.260 --> 12:46.940
Because you know

12:46.940 --> 12:48.440
There's people

12:48.440 --> 12:50.280
Like Sisyphus

12:50.280 --> 12:51.240
Or Sisyphus

12:51.240 --> 12:53.620
Who just don't know

12:53.620 --> 12:54.100
And they don't get

12:54.100 --> 12:54.620
Into the wilderness

12:54.620 --> 12:55.460
So if they crash

12:55.460 --> 12:55.940
Out there

12:55.940 --> 12:56.880
And they weren't

12:56.880 --> 12:57.420
Paying attention

12:57.420 --> 12:58.040
During the two

12:58.040 --> 12:58.740
Wilderness survival

12:58.740 --> 12:59.140
Episodes

12:59.140 --> 12:59.600
They might try

12:59.600 --> 13:00.060
To do that

13:00.060 --> 13:01.300
No we're not

13:01.300 --> 13:01.900
Making fun of you

13:01.900 --> 13:02.240
Sisyphus

13:02.240 --> 13:03.480
Or Sisyphus

13:03.480 --> 13:04.300
Oh god

13:04.300 --> 13:04.860
Why do they have

13:04.860 --> 13:05.720
Hard to pronounce

13:05.720 --> 13:06.060
Names

13:06.060 --> 13:07.280
Sisyphus

13:07.280 --> 13:09.020
Yeah

13:09.020 --> 13:09.700
That is definitely

13:09.700 --> 13:10.120
An enigma

13:10.120 --> 13:11.920
Yeah

13:11.920 --> 13:12.780
We're not making

13:12.780 --> 13:13.160
Fun of you

13:13.160 --> 13:13.480
We're just

13:13.480 --> 13:15.080
You were

13:15.080 --> 13:15.980
Actually I think

13:15.980 --> 13:16.480
You were the only

13:16.480 --> 13:17.660
Person that emailed

13:17.660 --> 13:18.780
In that did not

13:18.780 --> 13:20.340
That said that

13:20.340 --> 13:21.020
The episode sucked

13:21.020 --> 13:21.280
I got

13:21.280 --> 13:22.720
I did get some

13:22.720 --> 13:23.520
Like fairly good

13:23.520 --> 13:23.900
Reviews

13:23.900 --> 13:24.360
But I also got

13:24.360 --> 13:24.940
Some fairly

13:24.940 --> 13:26.700
Some sort of

13:26.700 --> 13:27.400
Negative reviews

13:27.400 --> 13:28.560
Along the same

13:28.560 --> 13:28.920
Tales

13:28.920 --> 13:29.840
Along the same

13:29.840 --> 13:30.520
Lines of

13:30.520 --> 13:32.000
Oh I think

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It's not related

13:32.500 --> 13:32.920
To hacking

13:32.920 --> 13:33.220
But

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Oh

13:34.120 --> 13:35.020
Whatever

13:35.020 --> 13:38.460
Our last email

13:38.460 --> 13:39.180
Is from

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Another hard

13:39.860 --> 13:40.460
Pronounced name

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I'm going to

13:41.580 --> 13:41.880
Guess it

13:41.880 --> 13:42.720
Aridium

13:42.720 --> 13:44.620
You guys have

13:44.620 --> 13:45.320
A very informative

13:45.320 --> 13:46.100
Show that keeps

13:46.100 --> 13:46.580
Me listening

13:46.580 --> 13:47.260
Throughout the

13:47.260 --> 13:47.880
Whole segment

13:47.880 --> 13:48.960
I look forward

13:48.960 --> 13:49.480
To you

13:49.480 --> 13:50.440
Your show

13:50.440 --> 13:51.420
Every chance

13:51.420 --> 13:51.860
I get to

13:51.860 --> 13:52.380
Listen to it

13:52.380 --> 13:53.220
I've been in

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The military

13:53.620 --> 13:54.320
For almost four

13:54.320 --> 13:55.080
Years and this

13:55.080 --> 13:55.680
Is my second

13:55.680 --> 13:56.480
Tour over in

13:56.480 --> 13:56.880
Iraq

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I know of at

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Least two or

13:58.580 --> 13:59.020
Three dozen

13:59.020 --> 13:59.500
More of my

13:59.500 --> 14:00.020
Fellow soldiers

14:00.020 --> 14:00.660
Who are very

14:00.660 --> 14:01.320
Active listeners

14:01.320 --> 14:02.000
Of your show

14:02.000 --> 14:03.160
On behalf of

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Them and myself

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We would like

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To say thanks

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And keep up

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The good work

14:05.760 --> 14:06.660
Regards

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Aridium

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Wow

14:08.180 --> 14:08.520
This

14:08.520 --> 14:10.620
I read this

14:10.620 --> 14:11.520
Email today

14:11.520 --> 14:13.320
And we're

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You know

14:13.860 --> 14:14.620
This isn't

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26

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Just saying

14:16.060 --> 14:16.460
That again

14:16.460 --> 14:18.340
And

14:18.340 --> 14:20.800
This made

14:20.800 --> 14:21.440
My head spin

14:21.440 --> 14:22.160
This was like

14:22.160 --> 14:22.620
No kidding

14:22.620 --> 14:23.220
Like I was like

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Wow there's

14:24.160 --> 14:24.660
Actually like

14:24.660 --> 14:25.920
People in Iraq

14:25.920 --> 14:26.600
Listening to our

14:26.600 --> 14:26.820
Show

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This kind of

14:27.660 --> 14:28.100
Like really

14:28.100 --> 14:28.980
Made like

14:28.980 --> 14:30.080
People like

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Wow

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I want to

14:32.680 --> 14:33.460
Send out to

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This is

14:34.020 --> 14:34.340
I want to

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Do some

14:34.580 --> 14:35.000
Preemptive

14:35.000 --> 14:35.260
Shouts

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Here

14:35.480 --> 14:36.960
Shout

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Staridium

14:37.580 --> 14:38.320
And shout

14:38.320 --> 14:38.800
Shout out to

14:38.800 --> 14:39.360
Any of our

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Service personnel

14:40.000 --> 14:40.440
Out there

14:40.440 --> 14:40.800
Who may be

14:40.800 --> 14:41.360
Listening in

14:41.360 --> 14:42.160
You know

14:42.160 --> 14:42.560
Iraq

14:42.560 --> 14:43.080
Afghanistan

14:43.080 --> 14:44.140
Or anyone

14:44.140 --> 14:45.100
Overseas

14:45.100 --> 14:46.340
You know

14:46.340 --> 14:47.140
Keeping the

14:47.140 --> 14:47.780
Country safe

14:47.780 --> 14:48.660
Absolutely

14:48.660 --> 14:50.760
Keeping your

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Ass on the line

14:51.420 --> 14:51.660
Man

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I'm behind

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110%

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Thank you

14:53.940 --> 14:54.380
Very much

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For my

14:54.660 --> 14:54.920
Freedom

14:54.920 --> 14:55.440
I appreciate

14:55.440 --> 14:55.940
All your

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Hard work

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Totally

14:57.320 --> 14:58.080
Completely

14:58.080 --> 14:58.600
And totally

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And I'm

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Sure

15:00.120 --> 15:00.480
This is

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I

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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I've

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Radio

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Show

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Person

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Got

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Got an

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Email

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Like this

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He'd be

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Like

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Oh

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Baby

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Killer

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Or

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Something

15:10.620 --> 15:10.920
But

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We're

15:11.440 --> 15:11.720
Not like

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That here

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They're

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Cool

15:13.060 --> 15:14.700
They're

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Getting their

15:15.380 --> 15:15.960
Ass shot

15:15.960 --> 15:16.340
Out there

15:16.340 --> 15:16.620
So

15:16.620 --> 15:17.620
Or hopefully

15:17.620 --> 15:18.220
Shot at

15:18.220 --> 15:18.520
But not

15:18.520 --> 15:18.820
Shot

15:18.820 --> 15:19.940
But uh

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You know

15:20.320 --> 15:21.760
Thanks a lot

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Just really

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Thanks a lot

15:22.860 --> 15:23.360
Absolutely

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I actually

15:24.500 --> 15:25.060
Emailed him

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And maybe

15:25.300 --> 15:25.680
We can get

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Another response

15:26.700 --> 15:26.980
From him

15:26.980 --> 15:27.420
On the show

15:27.420 --> 15:27.660
Or

15:27.660 --> 15:28.560
If actually

15:28.560 --> 15:28.920
If anyone

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Else

15:29.160 --> 15:29.420
Listening

15:29.420 --> 15:29.700
From the

15:29.700 --> 15:29.860
Show

15:29.860 --> 15:30.320
And who

15:30.320 --> 15:30.460
Is

15:30.460 --> 15:31.780
Want to

15:31.780 --> 15:32.180
Send us

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Email

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It's

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Radio

15:32.880 --> 15:33.100
Bien

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Rev.com

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And I

15:34.400 --> 15:34.780
Would

15:34.980 --> 15:35.260
Actually be

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Or

15:35.440 --> 15:35.740
You can

15:35.740 --> 15:36.100
Email me

15:36.100 --> 15:36.460
Directly

15:36.460 --> 15:36.640
If you

15:36.640 --> 15:36.740
Don't

15:36.740 --> 15:36.940
Want to

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Talk

15:37.120 --> 15:37.300
Get

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Listed

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On the

15:37.860 --> 15:38.040
Show

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It's

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BlackRatchet

15:38.680 --> 15:38.800
Of

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BlackRatchet

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Dot org

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And I'd

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Be very

15:40.640 --> 15:41.040
Interested

15:41.040 --> 15:41.400
In talking

15:41.400 --> 15:41.680
To you

15:41.680 --> 15:42.040
Thank you

15:42.040 --> 15:42.480
Very much

15:42.480 --> 15:42.940
Yeah

15:42.940 --> 15:43.160
And hope

15:43.160 --> 15:43.440
You guys

15:43.440 --> 15:43.800
Are having

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A happy

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New year

15:45.400 --> 15:45.760
And a good

15:45.760 --> 15:46.180
Holiday

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As good

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As you

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Can have

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Being in

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The asshole

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Of the

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Planet

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Because I

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Know

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It's

15:51.540 --> 15:52.020
Really

15:52.020 --> 15:52.260
Really

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Bad

15:52.480 --> 15:53.440
Over there

15:53.440 --> 15:54.440
Hey

15:54.440 --> 15:54.800
Cradle

15:54.800 --> 15:55.280
Humanity

15:55.280 --> 15:55.520
Man

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There's

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I don't

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Know

15:56.240 --> 15:57.300
Yeah

15:57.300 --> 15:58.140
Totally

15:58.140 --> 16:00.200
Stay

16:00.200 --> 16:00.540
Safe

16:00.540 --> 16:03.980
So

16:03.980 --> 16:04.500
Personal

16:04.500 --> 16:04.820
Hackey

16:04.820 --> 16:05.180
Stories

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What

16:05.520 --> 16:05.780
Have

16:05.780 --> 16:05.880
You

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Been

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Working

16:06.260 --> 16:06.540
On

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Lately

16:09.700 --> 16:13.900
Trying to

16:13.900 --> 16:14.200
Think of

16:14.200 --> 16:14.480
Some

16:14.480 --> 16:15.400
Things I

16:15.400 --> 16:15.520
Can

16:15.520 --> 16:15.840
Talk

16:15.840 --> 16:16.080
About

16:16.080 --> 16:16.460
Without

16:16.460 --> 16:18.400
Giving

16:18.400 --> 16:18.680
Too

16:18.680 --> 16:18.840
Much

16:18.840 --> 16:19.220
Away

16:19.220 --> 16:21.540
Don't

16:21.540 --> 16:21.680
Want to

16:21.680 --> 16:22.340
Drop

16:22.340 --> 16:22.500
In

16:22.500 --> 16:22.600
The

16:22.600 --> 16:22.920
Docks

16:22.920 --> 16:23.260
Yeah

16:23.260 --> 16:23.880
I'm

16:23.880 --> 16:24.060
A little

16:24.060 --> 16:24.260
Worried

16:24.260 --> 16:24.440
About

16:24.440 --> 16:24.800
Dropping

16:24.800 --> 16:24.980
The

16:24.980 --> 16:25.360
Docks

16:25.360 --> 16:26.300
Nothing

16:26.300 --> 16:27.060
Vacation

16:27.060 --> 16:27.520
Yeah

16:27.520 --> 16:28.520
Yeah

16:28.520 --> 16:30.100
Technically

16:30.100 --> 16:30.580
Everyone's

16:30.580 --> 16:31.560
Kind of

16:31.560 --> 16:32.340
So

16:32.340 --> 16:32.720
Yeah

16:32.720 --> 16:32.960
It's

16:32.960 --> 16:33.460
Christmas

16:33.460 --> 16:33.800
So

16:33.800 --> 16:34.080
No

16:34.080 --> 16:34.240
One's

16:34.240 --> 16:34.380
Really

16:34.380 --> 16:34.500
Been

16:34.500 --> 16:34.720
Working

16:34.720 --> 16:34.840
On

16:34.840 --> 16:35.020
Anything

16:35.020 --> 16:35.600
Actually

16:35.600 --> 16:35.780
I'm

16:35.780 --> 16:35.900
Not

16:35.900 --> 16:36.020
Sure

16:36.020 --> 16:36.140
If

16:36.140 --> 16:36.200
I

16:36.200 --> 16:36.400
Actually

16:36.400 --> 16:36.700
Talked

16:36.700 --> 16:36.880
About

16:36.880 --> 16:37.040
This

16:37.040 --> 16:37.160
On

16:37.160 --> 16:37.260
The

16:37.260 --> 16:37.380
Show

16:37.380 --> 16:37.520
A

16:37.520 --> 16:37.660
Couple

16:37.660 --> 16:37.860
Of

16:37.860 --> 16:38.140
Weeks

16:38.140 --> 16:38.460
Ago

16:38.460 --> 16:39.520
I

16:39.520 --> 16:40.060
Decided

16:40.060 --> 16:40.320
To

16:40.320 --> 16:40.800
Break

16:40.800 --> 16:40.960
Out

16:40.960 --> 16:41.120
This

16:41.120 --> 16:41.360
Old

16:41.360 --> 16:41.740
Computer

16:41.740 --> 16:41.900
And

16:41.900 --> 16:42.020
I

16:42.020 --> 16:42.380
Stalled

16:42.380 --> 16:44.340
Windows

16:44.340 --> 16:44.700
XP

16:44.700 --> 16:44.880
And

16:44.880 --> 16:44.980
I

16:44.980 --> 16:45.100
Now

16:45.100 --> 16:45.300
Have

16:45.300 --> 16:45.440
A

16:45.440 --> 16:46.020
Malware

16:46.020 --> 16:46.560
Analysis

16:46.560 --> 16:47.060
Station

16:47.060 --> 16:47.460
That

16:47.460 --> 16:47.540
I

16:47.540 --> 16:47.780
Actually

16:47.780 --> 16:48.060
Haven't

16:48.060 --> 16:48.320
Used

16:48.320 --> 16:48.580
Yet

16:48.580 --> 16:49.260
Nice

16:49.260 --> 16:50.900
Yeah

16:50.900 --> 16:51.060
It

16:51.060 --> 16:51.180
Was

16:51.180 --> 16:51.380
Actually

16:51.380 --> 16:51.580
Pretty

16:51.580 --> 16:51.800
Cool

16:51.800 --> 16:51.980
And

16:51.980 --> 16:53.260
It

16:53.260 --> 16:53.700
Was

16:53.700 --> 16:54.240
Pretty

16:54.240 --> 16:54.540
Funny

16:54.540 --> 16:55.060
Because

16:55.060 --> 16:56.420
My

16:56.420 --> 16:56.820
Sister

16:56.820 --> 16:56.980
In

16:56.980 --> 16:57.140
Law

16:57.140 --> 16:57.480
Decided

16:57.480 --> 16:57.620
To

16:57.620 --> 16:57.760
Come

16:57.760 --> 16:57.980
Over

16:57.980 --> 16:58.300
To

16:58.300 --> 16:59.400
My

16:59.400 --> 16:59.720
House

16:59.720 --> 16:59.920
And

16:59.920 --> 17:00.220
She

17:00.220 --> 17:01.480
Without

17:01.480 --> 17:01.720
Me

17:01.720 --> 17:01.980
Knowing

17:01.980 --> 17:02.320
And

17:02.320 --> 17:02.780
They

17:02.780 --> 17:03.300
Wanted

17:03.300 --> 17:03.400
To

17:03.400 --> 17:03.640
Use

17:03.640 --> 17:03.900
My

17:03.900 --> 17:05.300
Computer

17:05.300 --> 17:05.660
Because

17:05.660 --> 17:05.800
I

17:05.800 --> 17:05.940
Had

17:05.940 --> 17:06.100
A

17:06.100 --> 17:06.400
Camera

17:06.400 --> 17:06.640
On

17:06.640 --> 17:06.760
It

17:06.760 --> 17:06.980
Now

17:06.980 --> 17:07.720
Both

17:07.720 --> 17:07.900
My

17:07.900 --> 17:08.280
Computers

17:08.280 --> 17:08.420
Have

17:08.420 --> 17:08.520
A

17:08.520 --> 17:08.760
Camera

17:08.760 --> 17:09.040
Both

17:09.040 --> 17:09.220
The

17:09.220 --> 17:09.820
Analysis

17:09.820 --> 17:10.300
Station

17:10.300 --> 17:11.020
And

17:11.020 --> 17:11.300
The

17:11.300 --> 17:12.440
My

17:12.440 --> 17:12.900
Work

17:12.900 --> 17:13.260
Station

17:13.260 --> 17:14.680
I

17:14.680 --> 17:15.000
Get

17:15.000 --> 17:15.100
A

17:15.100 --> 17:15.260
Phone

17:15.260 --> 17:15.540
Call

17:15.540 --> 17:15.920
From

17:15.920 --> 17:16.620
My

17:16.620 --> 17:16.880
Wife

17:16.880 --> 17:17.180
Saying

17:17.180 --> 17:17.660
Oh

17:17.660 --> 17:18.380
You

17:18.380 --> 17:18.620
Know

17:18.620 --> 17:19.060
She

17:19.060 --> 17:19.480
Came

17:19.480 --> 17:19.740
Over

17:19.740 --> 17:19.980
And

17:19.980 --> 17:20.180
She

17:20.180 --> 17:20.780
She

17:20.780 --> 17:21.220
Used

17:21.220 --> 17:21.340
Your

17:21.340 --> 17:21.760
Computer

17:21.760 --> 17:22.100
To

17:22.100 --> 17:22.620
You

17:22.620 --> 17:22.720
Know

17:22.720 --> 17:22.960
Use

17:22.960 --> 17:23.080
Your

17:23.080 --> 17:23.340
Camera

17:23.340 --> 17:23.500
To

17:23.500 --> 17:23.680
Talk

17:23.680 --> 17:23.800
To

17:23.800 --> 17:24.120
Someone

17:24.120 --> 17:24.560
You

17:24.560 --> 17:24.660
Know

17:24.660 --> 17:24.920
Who's

17:24.920 --> 17:25.420
Far

17:25.420 --> 17:25.620
Away

17:25.620 --> 17:25.760
She

17:25.760 --> 17:25.940
Lives

17:25.940 --> 17:26.220
Overse

17:26.220 --> 17:27.320
And

17:27.320 --> 17:27.420
I

17:27.420 --> 17:27.540
Was

17:27.540 --> 17:27.720
Like

17:27.720 --> 17:28.040
Oh

17:28.040 --> 17:28.480
Okay

17:28.480 --> 17:28.820
And

17:28.820 --> 17:28.920
I

17:28.920 --> 17:29.060
Was

17:29.060 --> 17:29.220
Like

17:29.220 --> 17:29.480
Wait

17:29.480 --> 17:29.680
How

17:29.680 --> 17:29.800
She

17:29.800 --> 17:29.900
Got

17:29.900 --> 17:30.040
My

17:30.040 --> 17:30.380
Computer

17:30.380 --> 17:30.500
It

17:30.500 --> 17:30.720
Has

17:30.720 --> 17:30.800
A

17:30.800 --> 17:31.200
Password

17:31.200 --> 17:31.380
On

17:31.380 --> 17:31.520
It

17:31.520 --> 17:33.100
And

17:33.100 --> 17:35.000
I

17:35.000 --> 17:35.240
I

17:35.240 --> 17:35.280
I

17:35.280 --> 17:35.300
I

17:35.300 --> 17:35.320
I

17:35.320 --> 17:35.340
I

17:35.340 --> 17:35.360
I

17:35.360 --> 17:35.400
I

17:35.400 --> 17:35.500
I

17:35.500 --> 17:35.560
I

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To

17:35.680 --> 17:35.760
Her

17:35.760 --> 17:36.000
Later

17:36.000 --> 17:36.120
And

17:36.120 --> 17:36.200
She

17:36.200 --> 17:36.440
Says

17:36.440 --> 17:37.700
How

17:37.700 --> 17:37.820
Did

17:37.820 --> 17:37.880
You

17:37.880 --> 17:37.960
Get

17:37.960 --> 17:38.040
On

17:38.040 --> 17:38.140
My

17:38.140 --> 17:38.400
Computer

17:38.400 --> 17:38.640
Oh

17:38.640 --> 17:38.840
I

17:38.840 --> 17:38.920
I

17:38.920 --> 17:39.100
Just

17:39.100 --> 17:39.500
Hit

17:39.500 --> 17:39.840
Hit

17:39.840 --> 17:39.960
The

17:39.960 --> 17:40.160
Key

17:40.160 --> 17:40.300
And

17:40.300 --> 17:40.420
It

17:40.420 --> 17:41.080
Fired

17:41.080 --> 17:41.300
Right

17:41.300 --> 17:41.520
Up

17:41.520 --> 17:42.120
Oh

17:42.120 --> 17:42.740
Well

17:42.740 --> 17:43.000
That's

17:43.000 --> 17:43.260
That's

17:43.260 --> 17:43.560
Weird

17:43.560 --> 17:44.840
And

17:44.840 --> 17:45.020
Yeah

17:45.020 --> 17:45.180
And

17:45.180 --> 17:45.340
This

17:45.340 --> 17:46.140
Little

17:46.140 --> 17:46.600
Dog

17:46.600 --> 17:46.840
Kept

17:46.840 --> 17:47.220
Barking

17:47.220 --> 17:47.380
At

17:47.380 --> 17:47.500
Me

17:47.500 --> 17:47.640
I'm

17:47.640 --> 17:47.800
Like

17:47.800 --> 17:48.080
What

17:48.080 --> 17:48.160
Are

17:48.160 --> 17:48.260
You

17:48.260 --> 17:48.640
Talking

17:48.640 --> 17:49.020
About

17:49.020 --> 17:49.540
And

17:49.540 --> 17:49.640
Then

17:49.640 --> 17:49.760
I

17:49.760 --> 17:50.260
Realized

17:50.260 --> 17:50.520
Wait

17:50.520 --> 17:50.680
A minute

17:50.680 --> 17:50.800
I

17:50.800 --> 17:50.980
Have

17:50.980 --> 17:51.700
Winpooch

17:51.700 --> 17:51.900
Which

17:51.900 --> 17:52.060
Is

17:52.060 --> 17:52.640
I

17:52.640 --> 17:53.060
Think

17:53.060 --> 17:53.220
It's

17:53.220 --> 17:53.360
Like

17:53.360 --> 17:53.900
Winpooch

17:53.900 --> 17:54.500
Free

17:54.500 --> 17:55.360
If

17:55.360 --> 17:55.460
I

17:55.460 --> 17:55.660
Remember

17:55.660 --> 17:56.120
Correctly

17:56.120 --> 17:56.840
It's

17:56.840 --> 17:57.000
A

17:57.000 --> 17:58.200
It's

17:58.200 --> 17:58.840
It's

17:58.840 --> 17:59.020
Sort of

17:59.020 --> 17:59.140
Like

17:59.140 --> 17:59.240
An

17:59.240 --> 17:59.520
Active

17:59.520 --> 17:59.840
Scanner

17:59.840 --> 18:00.000
To

18:00.000 --> 18:00.140
Make

18:00.140 --> 18:00.440
Sure

18:00.440 --> 18:00.560
You

18:00.560 --> 18:00.720
Like

18:00.720 --> 18:00.960
Oh

18:00.960 --> 18:01.100
This

18:01.100 --> 18:01.420
Program

18:01.420 --> 18:01.540
Is

18:01.540 --> 18:01.680
Trying

18:01.680 --> 18:01.760
To

18:01.760 --> 18:01.920
Make

18:01.920 --> 18:02.700
Registry

18:02.700 --> 18:03.220
Changes

18:03.220 --> 18:03.680
Or

18:03.680 --> 18:04.280
Trying

18:04.280 --> 18:04.520
To

18:04.520 --> 18:05.380
Do

18:05.380 --> 18:05.660
Certain

18:05.660 --> 18:05.880
Things

18:05.880 --> 18:05.980
To

18:05.980 --> 18:06.060
Your

18:06.060 --> 18:06.420
Computer

18:06.420 --> 18:07.380
And

18:07.380 --> 18:07.900
She

18:07.900 --> 18:08.360
Tried

18:08.360 --> 18:08.480
To

18:08.480 --> 18:08.820
Install

18:08.820 --> 18:09.220
Windows

18:09.220 --> 18:09.560
Live

18:09.560 --> 18:09.940
Messenger

18:09.940 --> 18:10.140
And

18:10.140 --> 18:10.220
I

18:10.220 --> 18:10.640
Guess

18:10.640 --> 18:10.800
She

18:10.800 --> 18:11.200
Finally

18:11.200 --> 18:11.660
Made

18:11.660 --> 18:11.800
It

18:11.800 --> 18:11.980
So

18:11.980 --> 18:12.180
That

18:12.180 --> 18:12.340
It

18:12.340 --> 18:12.740
Went

18:12.740 --> 18:13.200
On

18:13.200 --> 18:14.400
Wow

18:14.400 --> 18:14.840
Like

18:14.840 --> 18:15.120
I

18:15.120 --> 18:15.940
Had

18:15.940 --> 18:16.100
All

18:16.100 --> 18:16.280
This

18:16.280 --> 18:16.640
Crap

18:16.640 --> 18:17.120
Installed

18:17.120 --> 18:17.240
On

18:17.240 --> 18:17.360
My

18:17.360 --> 18:17.780
Computer

18:17.780 --> 18:19.060
Wow

18:19.060 --> 18:19.560
Oh

18:19.560 --> 18:20.200
All

18:20.200 --> 18:20.480
Right

18:20.480 --> 18:22.340
Yeah

18:22.340 --> 18:22.460
It

18:22.460 --> 18:25.860
Well

18:25.860 --> 18:26.000
I

18:26.000 --> 18:26.300
Actually

18:26.300 --> 18:27.300
See

18:27.300 --> 18:27.580
The

18:27.580 --> 18:28.240
Plus

18:28.240 --> 18:28.500
About

18:28.500 --> 18:28.780
This

18:28.780 --> 18:28.920
Is

18:28.920 --> 18:29.240
Now

18:29.240 --> 18:29.980
I

18:29.980 --> 18:30.240
Have

18:30.240 --> 18:30.400
It

18:30.400 --> 18:30.700
With

18:30.700 --> 18:31.480
I

18:31.480 --> 18:32.200
Actually

18:32.200 --> 18:32.360
Made

18:32.360 --> 18:32.460
A

18:32.460 --> 18:32.740
Copy

18:32.740 --> 18:33.000
Of

18:33.000 --> 18:33.760
A

18:33.760 --> 18:34.300
Disc

18:34.300 --> 18:34.640
Copy

18:34.640 --> 18:34.820
Of

18:34.820 --> 18:34.920
It

18:34.920 --> 18:35.180
With

18:35.180 --> 18:35.580
Part

18:35.580 --> 18:35.900
Image

18:35.900 --> 18:36.620
Which

18:36.620 --> 18:36.740
Is

18:36.740 --> 18:36.900
An

18:36.900 --> 18:37.140
Open

18:37.140 --> 18:37.420
Source

18:37.420 --> 18:37.840
Ghost

18:37.840 --> 18:38.200
Clone

18:38.200 --> 18:39.440
Symantec

18:39.440 --> 18:39.700
Ghost

18:39.700 --> 18:39.860
Or

18:39.860 --> 18:40.040
Whatever

18:40.040 --> 18:40.200
They

18:40.200 --> 18:40.360
Call

18:40.360 --> 18:40.460
It

18:40.460 --> 18:40.660
Now

18:40.660 --> 18:42.020
Whoever

18:42.020 --> 18:42.460
Owns

18:42.460 --> 18:42.580
The

18:42.580 --> 18:42.780
Damn

18:42.780 --> 18:43.220
Program

18:43.220 --> 18:45.840
I

18:45.840 --> 18:46.440
Still

18:46.440 --> 18:46.640
Call

18:46.640 --> 18:46.720
It

18:46.720 --> 18:46.960
Norton

18:46.960 --> 18:47.280
Ghost

18:47.280 --> 18:47.460
Because

18:47.460 --> 18:47.680
That's

18:47.680 --> 18:47.800
Just

18:47.800 --> 18:47.980
Me

18:47.980 --> 18:48.200
Because

18:48.200 --> 18:48.380
That's

18:48.380 --> 18:48.480
What

18:48.480 --> 18:48.580
I

18:48.580 --> 18:48.740
Grew

18:48.740 --> 18:48.900
Up

18:48.900 --> 18:49.080
On

18:49.080 --> 18:50.780
But

18:50.780 --> 18:51.780
I

18:51.780 --> 18:52.040
Hope

18:52.040 --> 18:54.200
I

18:54.200 --> 18:56.640
Hope

18:56.640 --> 18:58.220
I

18:58.220 --> 19:00.620
Were

19:00.620 --> 19:01.540
I

19:01.540 --> 19:02.740
Think

19:02.740 --> 19:03.780
It's

19:03.780 --> 19:04.020
Actually

19:04.020 --> 19:04.180
On

19:04.180 --> 19:04.440
Source

19:04.440 --> 19:04.700
Forged

19:04.700 --> 19:04.840
So

19:04.840 --> 19:04.920
It

19:04.920 --> 19:04.980
Might

19:04.980 --> 19:05.100
Be

19:05.100 --> 19:05.320
Win

19:05.320 --> 19:05.620
Pooch

19:05.620 --> 19:06.180
Sf

19:06.180 --> 19:06.560
Dot

19:06.560 --> 19:06.700
Net

19:06.700 --> 19:07.220
But

19:07.220 --> 19:07.300
I

19:07.300 --> 19:07.420
Think

19:07.420 --> 19:07.500
If

19:07.500 --> 19:07.540
You

19:07.540 --> 19:07.820
Google

19:07.820 --> 19:08.060
Win

19:08.060 --> 19:08.460
Pooch

19:08.460 --> 19:09.160
It's

19:09.160 --> 19:09.260
Like

19:09.260 --> 19:09.380
The

19:09.380 --> 19:09.560
First

19:09.560 --> 19:09.740
Link

19:09.740 --> 19:09.860
That

19:09.860 --> 19:10.020
Pop

19:10.020 --> 19:10.100
So

19:10.100 --> 19:10.420
Let's

19:10.420 --> 19:10.520
Go

19:10.520 --> 19:10.700
Double

19:10.700 --> 19:10.880
Check

19:10.880 --> 19:11.060
That

19:11.060 --> 19:11.220
Right

19:11.220 --> 19:11.520
Now

19:11.520 --> 19:13.960
Yes

19:13.960 --> 19:14.180
Win

19:14.180 --> 19:14.440
Pooch

19:14.440 --> 19:14.920
Yeah

19:14.920 --> 19:15.060
I

19:15.060 --> 19:15.140
Was

19:15.140 --> 19:15.340
Right

19:15.340 --> 19:15.540
Win

19:15.540 --> 19:15.920
Pooch

19:15.920 --> 19:16.460
Free

19:16.460 --> 19:16.720
Dot

19:16.720 --> 19:17.180
Fr

19:17.180 --> 19:18.000
And

19:18.000 --> 19:18.360
Actually

19:18.360 --> 19:18.520
I

19:18.520 --> 19:18.760
Believe

19:18.760 --> 19:19.040
It's

19:19.040 --> 19:19.800
Written

19:19.800 --> 19:20.540
In

19:20.540 --> 19:20.940
France

19:20.940 --> 19:21.140
Which

19:21.140 --> 19:21.520
Explains

19:21.520 --> 19:26.580
But I think it's also on SourceForge and a few other places.

19:26.900 --> 19:28.300
But it's a fun program.

19:28.720 --> 19:35.060
If you're, you know, you basically, if you want to monitor what the hell is going on in your computer in the background, install this.

19:35.120 --> 19:37.060
And it will tell you every little thing that goes on.

19:37.960 --> 19:39.100
Wow, it looks pretty decent.

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How long have you been using it?

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I haven't actually really been actively using it for a while, but I've known about it for about a few years, I think.

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Oh, wow.

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And, yeah, it's a fun program to play with.

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If you, you know, for malware analysis, like, it basically says, okay, you just executed this program.

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Okay, this program wants to try to make a change to the registry.

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Do you want to let us do this?

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Yes.

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Okay, well, let's try to go out to this website.

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Do you want to let us do this?

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Okay.

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And it, like, basically prompts you through every step it's going.

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It's kind of creepy how much you can get down there.

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Huh.

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Actually, what's even more creepy about it is that because you can find out what's going on,

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that means other processes can do it at the same time and relay that back to their mothership.

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Woo!

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Yes, very true.

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Very true.

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You know what?

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I had a friend of mine give me a website.

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I had found a program that I thought was malicious.

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I was just surfing around, and I must have picked something up off of a web page.

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It's called the Norman Sandbox.

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I don't know if you've ever talked about this on the show before or not.

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Norman or Truman?

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Norman Sandbox.

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It's at http, sandbox.norman.no.

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And what this site allows you to do is to upload a file, and they will analyze it for you and tell you exactly what it does.

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And if they have, like, a...

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Oh, yes, I've heard of this.

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I actually don't think we've mentioned this on the show before, though.

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Oh, okay.

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Excellent.

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Yeah, I wasn't sure if, uh, I didn't remember if anybody had spoken about it or not.

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I have listened to every single episode of BinRev, but there's probably two or three that I may have missed.

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Well, it's also, I mean, if we mentioned it, like, you know, four...

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We mentioned it about 20 episodes ago.

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That's half a year, so a lot of people don't remember that kind of stuff.

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Like, I mean, I can't even remember if I talked about my malware analysis box, like, within the past couple of weeks.

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Because I'm 26 and I have Alzheimer's, but anyway...

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So is this malware analysis box, is this thing completely infested, or...?

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Actually, well, besides Windows Live Messenger, it doesn't have anything installed on it right now.

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But the idea is the fact that, essentially, it's like a...

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Because a lot of, like, new malware, I think we kind of discussed this lightly on the Maloween special,

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can actually detect whether or not it's running in a VMware session,

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and if it detects that, it doesn't execute.

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Right.

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So people can't reverse engineer it.

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So the idea behind it is you run it on a throwaway box,

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and then you just reformat it after every time it gets infected.

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Wow.

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And actually, what I was talking about was Truman, which is...

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I think we've talked about it before.

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And it's a bootable CD that automates a lot of the install process.

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And it was a pretty good...

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It's a pretty nice bootable CD for Linux-based distros.

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Automates a lot of the reinstall and analysis box.

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And if you run it...

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You can actually run it on two separate computers and have it...

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So one of the computers is the sacrificial lamb,

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and you only have it connected up to the computer running the Truman CD.

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And the Truman CD emulates basically the entire Internet.

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Wow.

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So you can bring up, like, bankofamerica.com,

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and it'll sort of put up a faux Bank of America site.

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Wow.

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And that's what the analysis...

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And that's what the piece of malware is looking for.

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So it was pretty cool.

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I haven't had enough time to play with it, but it seems very interesting.

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It was definitely...

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And I think it was, like, only made by one guy, which is doubly impressive.

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Yeah.

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I'll have to check that out.

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It sounds like a lot of fun.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Do we want to segue into our main show topic?

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Sure.

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Sounds good to me.

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All right.

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Well, our main show topic...

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What is our main show topic tonight?

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We'll let you take it, because...

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Corporate...

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Exactly.

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Another one of these people who email us in saying,

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I want to talk about this, and I have some credentials to do it.

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And we're like, all right, type up some notes.

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Corporate FNS.

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So, yes, you too.

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You too can be on BINREV Radio.

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Yeah.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to your forum.

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This really is a really friendly forum.

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I've pretty much been here since day one, downloading episodes, and it's always been friendly.

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It's always been informative.

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Well, sometimes we're not friendly, but only the noobs.

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We don't like noobs.

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No, we welcome the noobs.

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Absolutely.

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The noobs are our friends.

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Everyone was a noob at one time.

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Everyone.

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Exactly.

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That is my motto in life, whenever someone starts talking.

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Oh, the noobs are here.

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Dude, you were a noob too once.

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Welcome the noobs into our family.

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That's right.

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Absolutely.

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Well, I'm going to...

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All right.

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So, what are you talking about?

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Let's actually start with corporate epigenance.

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For the two people that have been living in the cave for the past 10 or so years, what is corporate espionage?

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We're just going to gloss over that for...

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Well, espionage, and this is directly from Wikipedia.

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It's the practice of obtaining information about an organization or society that is considered secret or confidential

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without the permission of the holder of the information.

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That's pretty much in a nutshell, but corporate espionage, it's primarily, you know, every company that is profitable in this,

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it does well in this world, in corporate America or even, you know, corporate, global corporate doings,

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it's because that they can do something better that the competition can't,

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whether it's making hairspray or shoes or cars or hard drives or whatever, you name it, pharmaceuticals.

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So, you know, corporate espionage can pretty much be anything now,

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especially with databases, you know, being worth so much money because they're used for nefarious purposes

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like identity theft and, you know, the list is pretty much never-ending these days.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's, you know, it can be anything from, you know, I mean, people say, when I, I've known that this is going to be important

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for corporations to address for a long time.

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And six or seven years ago when I would tell people, hey, you know, you should have someone come in

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and do a sweep of your offices for bugs once a year.

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You should have an outside organization come in and audit your internal IT systems once a year.

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They would sit there and laugh at me, like, you know, who would want to come in here and break into our servers?

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You know, well, we only do A or we only do B or no one's interested in hairspray or no one's interested in,

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you know, I don't know, paper, you know, insert thing that you can get at Walmart here.

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You know, pretty much anything that you see on the shelf at Walmart can be a target for corporate espionage

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because not only product design is stuff, but pricing.

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You know, if you can undercut your competition these days by two or three cents,

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you're going to get the business because companies are very, very price conscious these days.

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So how much people pay for different things is very important.

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That's interesting.

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So, all right, since we're talking about, like, you know, people who come in and, you know,

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sweep or try to break into our systems or sweep for bugs or audit the IT logs,

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I mean, that's sort of like secure, that's all InfoSec, right?

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Right, yep, absolutely, yep.

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Yeah, and what's the type of corporate espionage you're seeing now is, well, for example, the HP debacle.

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For those of you that aren't familiar with the HP debacle,

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there was one of the board members on the board of directors was leaking information to the press.

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And the board of directors, the CEO, was it the CEO?

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I believe it was the CEO.

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Yeah, she said, you know what?

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I think it was the CEO and the general counsel that decided to go, not see on everybody.

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This is a bunch of BS, and we want to find out who's doing it.

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So they used a term called pre-texting, where you gather information about phone calls and who you call,

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and, you know, all that information that, you know, can be used.

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I mean, even dumpster diving, you can't, you cannot imagine how much information you can gain about a company by dumpster diving.

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And if you're in other companies that's in, you know, a fierce competition, automotive companies are extremely competitive.

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Products like plasma TVs, electronics are extremely competitive.

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For example, have you ever noticed how Honda's little robot, what's it called, the Ameo or whatever?

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Yeah, I think it was like the Asimov.

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Asimov.

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And then there's another one.

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Yeah, well, did you ever notice how those things are, you never see them by themselves.

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There's always six or seven guys that are just standing around very, very close.

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Honda has a lot of very cutting-edge technology in one of those robots.

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And the worst thing to happen to one of those robots is to have somebody walk away with one.

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You can't put a price on innovation.

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You really can't.

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Or even with the Asimov, you can have the robot walk off by itself, which is even doubly bad.

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Oh, absolutely, yeah.

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GM learned this a few years ago.

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So they were going to beat everyone to the punch, and they were going to start making cars in China under a GM nameplate

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and bringing them back to the U.S. to sell them.

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And they were the first company to do this.

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So they started sending over all the CAD data, and they went through about six or seven different Chinese suppliers.

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And these Chinese suppliers decided, hey, you know what?

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We've got enough of the information here.

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We can build our own assembly line.

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And that's exactly what they did.

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And they released a car.

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Cherry Automotive released a car that looked just like GMs about a year before.

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And you know why?

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Because they didn't have to do any of the design.

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All they had to do was manufacture from the CAD drawing.

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And it went in front of a judge, and the judge says, nope, these are two completely different vehicles.

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And, yeah, if you just search on Google for GM cherry debacle, you'll see what I'm talking about.

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It's their identity.

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So just out of curiosity, was the judge American or was the judge Chinese?

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No, the judge was Chinese.

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Yeah.

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There's no introduction to property law in China.

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So you think that if you release it in China, you know, you have to be ready for it to be copied as soon as you release it.

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And that's primarily what people are looking for.

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They're looking for things that are in, like, research and development or, you know, mergers these days.

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I mean, not to interrupt you, but going back to this, going back to, like, not we're trying to knock on Chinese here,

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but there was – I was reading – I was actually on the radio yesterday or the day before on the business section.

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They were talking about this company in – who makes, like, diamond cutting tools.

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Oh, okay.

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And they're at their trade show, and they're like, oh, you know, we're pumping all this stuff out.

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We're cool.

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We're awesome.

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Buy our stuff.

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And they're walking along, and all of a sudden they see this Chinese booth, and they're like, this is the same exact thing.

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Yeah.

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They're like, oh, you know – oh, buy our stuff.

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I'm like, actually, I shouldn't say that.

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This is bad.

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And they're like, it's the same exact thing.

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But the amusing part was they saw this, called their legal department up, and the legal department flew out,

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made sure it was the same thing, went to the – whatever they were doing.

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I think it was the U.S. courts or federal courts.

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And, you know, presented their case and got an injunction for it, and they served them papers right on the trade show floor,

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which I thought was just, like, a great move.

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Wow.

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And they had to, like, shut their booth down for the rest of the show.

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Wow.

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Yeah, you know, you're going to find out that there's really nothing you can do.

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It's really a losing battle.

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So, once you release something into commerce, it's going to be copied so rapidly, it's ridiculous.

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And that's –

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And when you're talking –

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A perfect example is, you know how they have those magnetic, those yellow ribbons that were on the back of the cars?

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I don't know.

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Oh, the things that are everywhere?

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Yeah, they're everywhere.

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Well, the guy that makes those, he just started doing those in his garage.

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He was selling, like, I don't know, something ridiculous, like $25,000 a week or something.

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Well, the market's been completely saturated by Chinese makers of those things that can make them for a penny a piece,

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and they look identical.

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And, you know, there's no way for him to combat that because it's just – it's the market's saturated, really.

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Well, there's two sides to that coin.

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I mean, it's very sad that this guy's going out of business, but at the same point, the capitalist side of me goes, well, tough shit.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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In the same respect, you have, you know, like corporations like pharmaceutical companies.

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Pharmaceutical companies probably take corporate espionage a lot more seriously than most just because of the reason of the formulation.

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They spend so much money to get a pill to a point where it actually works, Viagra, for example.

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I mean, can you imagine if, you know, it takes them 10 years to develop the formula for that pill,

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and somebody can just hack into a computer, burn all the information onto a CD, and walk out with it.

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And, you know, they've spent literally billions and billions of dollars to develop it.

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The same thing happens is happening in your company today.

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If you have contractors working for you or, you know, I don't care what business you're in, Hairspray, for example.

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Hairspray is a $200 billion a year business, and everybody is looking for, you know, the better, faster, cheaper way to make a bottle of Hairspray.

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And there's nothing to keep an employee from, you know, hiring a guy.

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He comes in, he drops the whole hard drive of his computer and all of your information onto a disc, and walks out, and you never see him again.

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You know, corporations are starting to look at ways that they can track and limit how much information you can see and look up and everything else.

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And as recent as two or three years ago, I was working for a, in a healthcare contract for about a year.

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And I had access to all the major health insurance companies' databases.

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And I could go in there and type in Smith, and it would pull up hundreds of thousands of records.

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And I said, you know, this just isn't, this isn't right.

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This isn't the way that this should be designed.

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It should be limited by several factors.

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And so I tried to contact him and, you know, tell the, I don't know, database administrator or whoever, what was wrong with it

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and what kind of limitations they should put into place.

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And he said, yeah, you know what, I told my bosses the same thing, but we just don't have budget for it.

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So, you know, in corporate America, you have to be able to quantify spending money to protect these things.

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And let's face it, your business these days is IT, whether you want to face it or not.

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All your customer information is on computers, all of your, everything you do, all your e-mails on computers.

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I mean, I can think of no business in the world that doesn't e-mail, doesn't play at least a small part in it.

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I'm trying to think of an example just to, like, be funny, but honestly, I really can't.

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I'm guessing, like, you know, the person shoveling shit in Louisiana, like, really doesn't need e-mail, but, I mean, they could.

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They could.

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Who knows?

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You'd be surprised.

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That guy now is putting that in plastic bags, and he's selling it as fertilizer, gourmet fertilizer.

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JoeBob at Shitshoveler.com.

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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He's got his own website because it's, you know, $0.99 or $1.99 a month now for a website.

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So, yeah, he's got his own website.

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I really wonder if Shitshoveler.com is something.

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I bet it is.

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Oh, man.

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Yeah, you know what?

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Buy our shit.

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Yeah, God only knows what's on there.

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Yeah, I almost went up and, like, started typing it into my web browser, and I was like, you know, that could just be a bad thing.

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I really don't want to look at that web page, especially while I'm recording right now, because that could be a bad reaction.

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So, you'll start hearing me going, oh, dear Lord, oh, oh, my God, my eyes.

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So, we might save that until after the show.

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Yeah.

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Some other things that corporate espionage or people look for is, like, source code for software.

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You know, manufacturing and technical operations, target markets, prospect information, plant closures, you know, business methods, product designs, research, alliance and contract arrangements.

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It's just watching where the executive of a competitor's board goes to.

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You know, are they spending a lot of time in South Africa?

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Why are they spending time in South Africa?

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Who are they meeting with?

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You know, what kind of alliances are they trying to create?

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You know, all those things in today's market, you know, they can make a lot of money, a lot of money.

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It's very important to know what your competition is doing.

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Well, not even on the competition side.

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I mean, I could really see that as being, you know, if I know that the, you know, crazy straight hairspray company is coming out with a new product,

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and they're a publicly traded company as, like, an end consumer, that could be very handy for me.

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You know, if I find out that they're announcing their new product about two weeks from now, I invest heavily in their stock, I could probably make a pretty penny.

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I could probably go to federal pounding in the ass prison.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But I'm not sure that's not legal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, one of the things you see these days is the old pump and dump scam due to.

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Oh, God, that's getting really pissed me off lately.

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Yeah, you know what you never hear about?

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You never hear about all these computers that people are trading, like Scott Trade and E-Trade and Ameritrade and all those accounts.

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When those accounts get hacked, you know, you have the ability to buy stock with those accounts.

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And that's right there an easy way to pump and dump a stock.

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And you never hear about that.

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You know, the things that these companies try to keep quiet, it's amazing.

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I mean, I've been in, let's just say, situations where things have happened at a company and they don't want to bring in any outside help.

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They don't want you to call the FBI.

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They don't want you to call the Secret Service.

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They want to keep it internal because they're afraid that, of course, it'll get into the media.

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It'll be an embarrassment.

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The stock price will go down.

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You know, consumer confidence in the corporation will go down.

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And it's amazing.

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It's just, it's absolutely amazing.

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They would rather just patch things up instead of fixing them properly.

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Or, you know, let's just say it's a lot easier these days to get funding for an audit.

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Well, I mean, there's some point to it, but it's a very tricky situation.

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I'm, from the technical aspect, it's a lot of, I mean, you outlined a lot of the reasons.

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I mean, from the technical aspect, technical viewpoint of it, it's very cut and dry.

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It's like, okay, we've been hacked.

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We need to contact the FBI, contact the upstream provider, tell these people they've been hacked because they've attacked us.

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But when you start throwing in all these little, I don't know, corporate variables, it becomes an entirely different matter.

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So it's a very, it's an interesting conundrum, and we see that a lot every day.

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I mean, how many times, before this whole California law of, you know, you need to tell people that when their docs accidentally might get stolen or got hacked.

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Oh, yeah, the Scalic Breach Act.

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I mean, everyone, yep, everyone started coming out of the woodwork saying, oh, we got hacked.

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Oh, yeah, we got hacked last week.

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And, yep, this week, too.

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And, oh, apparently our backup tapes got stolen from a FedEx truck.

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And we had never heard that before.

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And the only reason it's coming out of the woodwork now is because it's, they don't want to go to federal pounding or California pounding in the ass prison.

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Yeah, you know, it's amazing.

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All these laws came out, and there's a few other ones, too, if I can mention those real quick.

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There's a law, HIPAA, which is the health care information.

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Health and Privacy something action.

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Can you believe that no one's ever been prosecuted under that law?

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And I can.

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Because no one knows what the law damn thing is.

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I mean, I've run into people who get paid high amounts of money having to deal with this law because I occasionally deal with the medical profession.

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And they're like, I don't know what it is.

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Geez, I just try to make it secure.

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I'm like, oh, that inspires me with confidence.

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Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, it would be pretty easy if they just policed it a little bit or if they asked for people to submit anonymous, you know, like a tip line or something like that.

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The reason they didn't do it is because it's a paper tiger.

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Now, everyone, these days, the buzzword is Sarbanes-Oxley and the California Breach Act.

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Well, everyone's just kind of sitting back and waiting to see if they're going to be enforced.

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Let me give you an example.

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Credit card fraud.

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Credit card fraud costs Visa and MasterCard, American Express, and, you know, all the banking industries billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars.

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I mean, it's rampant.

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I mean, you can go to any website and buy 100 credit card numbers for $50.

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It's just absolutely rampant.

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Yeah, I think on Tracksploits at Hope 2K – Hope No. 6 or whatever they called it this year, Tracksploits, so you can download it off their – it's a presentation.

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You can download it off their website.

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Secure Science Corporation, they basically kept track of all the credit card numbers they got, and they did some extrapolation of some – I think it was like the FBI says the average credit card fraud cost a person, you know, $200 or something.

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And they multiplied it all out, and it came out to be like, you know, some obscene number.

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And I think – I'm pretty sure it was in the billions.

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Right, right.

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And that was just the information they got out of one company out of how many.

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Right, exactly.

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Yeah, well, let me tell you something.

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They haven't done anything to the credit card in my wallet to, like, add a pin to it or my picture or anything like that to make that go away.

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So what does that tell you?

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That tells me that they're making so much money that they don't even care that they have $200 billion worth of fraud.

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And they're making it easier for fraud, I mean, with the whole RFID thing.

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Oh, yeah, just wave your wallet in front of this thing.

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No, thank you.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'll just keep it in my pocket, thanks.

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Yeah.

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And you can keep your RFID off my wallet.

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Well, I'll tell you who should be immediately fired this year is whoever came out at Best Buy.

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One of the executives opened his mouth and said that $46 million worth of gift cards don't get cashed every year and expire.

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So that's 100% pure profit.

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$46 million of those gift cards never even get used, and they expire within a year.

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Oh, not in Massachusetts.

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Those are valid for longer?

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In Massachusetts, they – no, I don't think they can expire in Massachusetts according to state law.

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Oh, wow.

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Wow.

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Yeah, there was a huge stink about it when they first started coming out that there was convenience fees and all this kind of other stuff.

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And I've got to say, the legislature did jump into action.

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It's like, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, I can't do that.

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I think they can expire at some point, but it has to be at least like five years.

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Oh, wow.

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It must be unique for that state because I think most states are within one year.

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Yeah, no, we are one of the few states that have a law like that.

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Well, can you imagine that number?

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I mean, why would you tell anybody that number?

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That should be a closely guarded number how many of those cards don't get used because people are going to think twice about getting them for people.

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You know, that's what you call a release of information that shouldn't be released.

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Better kept –

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Or people that do have it are going to think, oh, crap, I'm not going to let them take my damn money because that's mine.

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Yeah, $46 million in L.A.

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You know what?

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Let me see if I can Google that up real quick because I want to give an absolute number.

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Yeah, it was a sizable amount.

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When I heard it, I was like, wow, God, who does that?

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That's just crazy talk.

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I mean, I couldn't even – when I get gifts to tickets, they're usually spent within a week.

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Oh, great, toys.

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Yeah.

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Because that was a big list.

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I mean, sometimes –

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$43 million.

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$43 million?

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And Gizmodo, $43 million from unused gift cards fiscal year 2006.

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Unbelievable.

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Pure profit.

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That's $43 million profit.

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So you got a gift certificate this year.

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Go out and spend it and screw Best Buy.

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Stank will give you a kiss or something.

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I guess Massachusetts, California, Washington, and Louisiana, the cards do not expire.

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So, yes, you are correct, Mr. Red.

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Okay, so they don't expire.

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I just thought it was really – I think, like, after five years, they can start charging, like, a 10% fee per year or something, maybe.

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I don't know.

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Five years just rattles around in my head or something.

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But who knows?

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I could be talking out of my ass.

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I do that a lot on this show.

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So how can you fight corporate espionage?

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Let's talk about a few ways to fight it.

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One is background checks.

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I was sitting in a boardroom with some executives, and they were telling me how they deal with a billion dollars in cash a day and stuff.

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And I said, well, you know, I would really like everyone to have a background check.

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And they all started laughing.

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They thought I was joking.

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And I said, no, actually, I'm not joking.

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Everyone in this room should have a background check.

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And even then, you know, they wouldn't do it because of whatever reason.

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I mean, half of them had probably, you know, had stuff, you know, disorderly conducts and stuff in college that they would never want brought up again.

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But who knows?

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They could have had a felony also.

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You know what I mean?

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They'll find out what they're listening about that goat in that time in Louisiana.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, you know, I went in.

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The goat enjoyed it really, Foster.

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The more questions I asked, the more they really couldn't give me answers.

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Like, for example, they used a machine to wire money all over the world.

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And I said, how many people have the information to this computer?

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And the one guy says, oh, no, just me and this other guy, just me and this other guy.

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And the girl walks up and says, oh, no, Jill and Kelly both have it also.

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Remember that time you went golfing and we had to do that wire transfer?

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So here, these two people had this information, and the one girl had left to go work someplace else.

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They never even changed the username and password for the stuff.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, stuff like that happens all the time.

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And it's just – it's only a matter of time before it comes back to bite them in the butt.

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Oh, yeah.

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So, I mean, it's – I don't think it's a matter of time.

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I think it's very much – but it is very much Russian roulette.

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I mean, there are times where – there are times where, like, that was a perfect example.

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You know, CEO and the CFO are out, you know, having martinis on the golf course, doing a, you know, round of nine holes.

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And we need to transfer this funds over to, you know, our private Cayman Islands offshore holding account, like, yesterday.

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And we need to do this.

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So, okay, we'll just do it this one time.

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And it's always, you know, oh, it's that one time.

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It's not a question of, you know, if the person's trustworthy, you're fine, but how do you know that?

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Right.

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And that goes back to what you were talking about with background checks, you know.

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Does that person have a felony conviction for wire fraud?

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Okay, that's a person you really don't want to be giving that password to.

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Right, right.

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With that Cayman Islands offshore holding fund, you're really not falling.

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Right, exactly.

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You just want to get rid of that one.

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Exactly.

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$50 million might be a little bit too much of a draw for them.

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Tempting targets for them.

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Exactly.

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A temptation for them to resist.

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Yeah, isn't it amazing?

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You know, you give them $50 million and you just get a receipt back for $5 million.

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Oh, where'd this $45 million go?

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Oh, I don't know.

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Isn't that amazing how you just...

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Hold on, I've got to go to my Lexus dealership.

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...wire money into an account, you know, from halfway around the world.

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Oh, it's just amazing these days, the stuff you can do.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, I'm actually...

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I've never actually done that, but it always seems very interesting, the fact that I can go.

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It's like, all right, let me go...

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It's always cool when you hear, okay, we just wired that over to the bank in Hong Kong.

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And I was like, whoa, okay, that's kind of creepy.

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Yeah, it takes like three seconds to...

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And you get a confirmation number.

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I was like, okay, everything okay?

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Everything's okay?

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Was that the right amount?

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Yeah, that was the right amount.

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Because it's very hard to undo once you do it.

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It's very difficult.

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Yeah, I can imagine.

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Well, there was a...

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I think it was...

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Was it in England?

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I don't know where it was.

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But maybe...

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I've had to be safe, though, because I don't think this was going to happen in England.

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But this person went to...

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He, like, was selling his house or something, and he got, like, the check from the mortgage company,

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and it was in his checking account or something.

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And he went to Burger King and bought a sandwich, and the person accidentally typed in...

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It was sort of, like...

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It was, like, two...

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It was...

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He, like, added, like, a couple extra zeros toward the end, and it ended up wiping out most of his checking account.

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And he didn't double-check the number.

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And the problem with it was, was, like, they were going to close the next day,

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and it take...

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It was a complete mistake, and they understood it, so they were trying to refund everything.

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But the bank wouldn't let them refund it for 24 hours.

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Ouch.

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For something else.

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I was, like, ooh, that's just...

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it does have its good things and advantages and disadvantages, that's for sure.

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Which is why I keep all of my money in my mattress.

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Let's see here.

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Let's go back to my notes real quick.

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Some other things on how to fight.

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Be aware, you know, be aware of what's going on in your company.

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You know, if you're going to have a product...

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For example, have you seen these Heelys these kids are wearing these days?

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Can you imagine if you would have...

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Oh, God, I can't see them.

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Can you imagine if you would have released that product six months before your competitor?

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I mean, it's just absolutely amazing how every kid I see now,

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between the ages of six and 16 are wearing shoes with wheels on them.

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It's amazing.

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It drives me nuts.

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And what really drives me bad is when I get going to...

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I guess I'm really starting to become old when I think about this.

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When I see, like, the no wheelies allowed in the store, I'm like,

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yeah, damn straight, young whippersnappers.

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Get those damn wheelies off my store.

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Get the fuck off my lawn.

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These are pretty expensive, too.

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They range...

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That's crazy.

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You see these kids just zipping right by you with, like, out their legs moving.

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It's like, oh, just...

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Yeah.

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Get away.

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Well, it looks like they range anywhere from $95 to $58 a pair, so...

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And, you know, they're probably selling 10,000 pairs a day for Pete's sake.

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Oh, totally.

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I'm curious if crap like this gets caught on any other place except the United States.

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I wonder if this is, like, a problem in France.

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Well, you know...

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They're just as American schmutz.

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It's just general marketing, because if they were really smart,

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they would just make them ridiculously expensive.

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Then all the cool kids would get them, and then all the other kids would want them.

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Then if you drop the price down, like, half, then everyone else would buy them.

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You know, you start at the boutique stores, and then...

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And then you have to name yourself Nike.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yep.

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You start at the boutique stores, and then you saturate Walmart.

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Isn't that what pretty much everyone does?

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I think so.

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It's a good marketing strategy.

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Yeah, that's how everyone does it.

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All right, so be aware.

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Be aware of what?

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Be aware of what your employees are doing.

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You know, watch their network usage.

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You know, let them know, hey, listen, you know, there's competition and competitive intelligence.

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Our information is our company.

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You know, make sure you, you know, keep your laptops locked up.

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Make sure you have hard drive encryption.

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You know, make sure you have good security policies in place.

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All those good security things that you should be doing.

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You know, your employees need to know about social engineering.

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You know, when people call up on the phone, that the information that they get, you know, people just, they have no idea what things are worth.

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It's like, for example, a corporate email list.

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Oh, it's worth a fortune these days.

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It's just, it's worth so much money.

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It's ridiculous.

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For, you know, people that sell health insurance, you can, I mean, if you have a corporate email list, it's pretty much a license to print money.

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Because you can sell it to spammers from one side of the world to the other.

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Even just a valid email address is worth money these days.

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So your, your employees should.

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Yeah, those, those, go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Your employees should be aware that the information that they have is worth money.

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And that there are people out there that are looking to trip them up and, and gather that information.

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And it can happen to anybody.

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Look at Bell.

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So, I mean, we're, we're talking about, like, monitoring everything and, you know, basically keeping everything into draconian measures.

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I mean, how do we, how, how, where's the line drawn between, I'm sure all the hackers are going crazy now that we were talking about this before.

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But where, where's the line drawn between, you know, the, the rights of the individual over the rights of the company?

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I mean, I, I want to go and visit, you know, Yahoo, my, my Yahoo email account from work, which technically I don't do.

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But anyway.

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Well, you know, I, I mean, we're, we're, we're.

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I tend to side with the corporation in, in the aspect of if you're at work that a bandwidth is paid for by your company, the computer is paid for by your company.

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You don't have any privacy at work.

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Most corporations are pretty much like that.

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Even if they haven't told you they're monitoring your net usage by now anyways.

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And if they're not, they probably should be.

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You know, it's, you really have to these days because people are such freaks.

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If you don't monitor them, they're going to start setting up their own web servers and they'll sit there all day, you know, looking at porn or whatnot.

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But, but porn's a valid stress release device.

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It's just, but.

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The internet was spending it for, right?

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You're not my rights, man.

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It's, it's my, it's, it's my right to watch goat porn at work.

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Yeah, we get about three or four people a year.

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We just have to kind of, you know, let go because they just can't stay off the porn pages.

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So, how can you even do that at work?

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Yeah, you'd be surprised.

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You'd be very surprised.

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I don't know, John.

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This is the fifth, um, what's the color?

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Cyan cartridge.

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We've gone through the thing.

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Looks like someone's printing a long thing with a lot of pink on it.

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Jeez, Club, I don't know.

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Just pop another one in.

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Yeah.

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I mean, how do you, how do you do that?

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It's just, I mean, perhaps, I guess, if you don't, I mean, because, because the problem with me and what always drives me nuts, actually, is the fact that my cube that I have is open in the back and everyone can look at what I'm doing, which really pisses me off.

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We won't get into that.

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But, you know, surfing porn, if I accidentally click on something, like, where did I go once?

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Like, back in, like, the, like, 2000 or so, I went to, like, some website, and it was a domain squatter for porn.

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I was like, ah, crap, crap, because I knew that everyone could see behind me.

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Right, right.

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I'm like, I'm not going to that website.

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Yeah.

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I can even picture actually going to one.

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Yeah, take a cue from the guys on, what's the, that TV show that was on, G3.

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Take a cue from the guys at G3.

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Never, ever, ever, ever open up a web page when you're either, A, giving a presentation, or, B, being filmed in a room with a bunch of other people.

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Because, you know, you're always going to type in Google wrong, or, you know, fat finger, a URL, and nine times out of ten, it's going to pull up a porn site.

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It's happened to me.

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It's extremely embarrassing.

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Noob.

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No, anyway.

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It's just, that's the nature of the bean.

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Why go to websites when screenshots will suffice nicely?

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No, that's my philosophy.

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If I can get a screenshot in there rather than actually going to a web page, I am not even going to chance it.

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Because I know what the screenshot will be.

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Unless someone's hacksawed my presentation.

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So, let's see.

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I'm trying to think of a good way to wrap this whole thing up.

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Ooh, hire hackers.

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Security professionals.

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Yeah.

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I make a distinction between security professionals and hackers just because it always seems like when I go to things like Hope or DEF CON or SHMU CON, any of those, you know, get-togethers,

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there's two groups of people.

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There's security professionals who are hired for whatever reason to do security services.

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And the guys that do it because it's fun.

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And they live it and they eat it and they breathe it and it's all they do day and night.

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There's security, security, security.

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They love just breaking stuff and fixing it and finding out ways to make it secure.

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And those people usually don't have, like, master's degrees or Ph.D.s.

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And, you know, a lot of corporations, when they hire people to work in their organizations, I hate to say it, but they do put a precedent on education.

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And, you know, most corporations want you to have a degree before they'll hire you.

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Things are starting to change a little bit.

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If you notice, if you just go to DICE and type in security, you'll notice a lot of the jobs say that they want a bachelor's degree or equivalent experience.

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The majority of them say that because they know that, hey, if the guy's been out working his fingers to the bone and getting certs and stuff,

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maybe he doesn't have a degree and that's just fine with us because we just really want him to help us make our organization secure.

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So, yeah, hire hackers.

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Well, I mean, yeah, it's what it is.

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And, I mean, we're always talking about going out with, you know, degrees and everything.

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But for some people, I think you mentioned before the show started taping, you're yourself included, correct?

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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Yeah, you know, some people don't have college degrees.

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And I know we always kind of harp on education here and education is good.

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And education is good.

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And certifications sometimes are bad.

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But it all depends on what the person is and who you are.

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Education, I think college was explained to me very aptly my senior year in college.

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Of course, they always tell you this after you've paid all the money.

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But college really isn't, like, the degree really doesn't do anything.

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It just opens doors for you.

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And when I look at it, that's the best explanation that I've ever heard about college.

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It's basically it shows that you can buckle down for four years and get a little piece of paper that says,

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I, you know, have a degree in computer science.

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Right.

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I mean, it's not as much knowledge that you have.

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It's just the fact that you did it.

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Well, just recently, they just have an InfoSec master's degree.

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I mean, the NSA will pay for your college.

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They are looking for people to give scholarships to right now.

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They need to get as many InfoSec people as possible because it's a huge and growing field.

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And not only that, but there's a lot of people retiring.

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A lot of people that have been in those positions for 20 years are retiring,

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and they need to fill them up with fresh people with fresh skills.

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Can I listen to other people's phone calls?

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Absolutely.

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If you, the big story is a few years ago, there was a story.

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It was just like a little blurb about how you could take a Nokia cell phone

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and flash it with a firmware to allow you to eavesdrop on it.

01:02:16.060 --> 01:02:17.560
Well, now this is coming up again.

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A couple weeks ago on Slashgear, there was a story about how the FBI has made that mandatory

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on every cell phone released in the United States.

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They can go into it remotely and turn the microphone on even when it's turned off.

01:02:33.600 --> 01:02:37.340
Well, was that mandatory or was that just sort of a thing that happened?

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I mean, I think the over-the-air programming has been around for a while.

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I mean, I believe what you were talking about before wasn't Nokia.

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It was the Oki, which I'm not exactly sure if that's related to Nokia at all.

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But that was something where you had to hook it up to your computer and reflash it.

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But now a cell phone has gotten more, you know, fancy-schmancy and it has all the bells

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and whistles on it.

01:03:02.260 --> 01:03:04.100
One of the things you could do was over-the-air programming.

01:03:04.100 --> 01:03:10.600
And, like, with my sidekick, and no, I don't think I've ever seen my MDA do it, but I've only

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had it for a while, was it would come out and say, oh, you know, we've released a software

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upgrade.

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Do you want to download it and install it on your phone?

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And I'm sure there's a way of actually doing that without the prompt on it.

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And I believe that's what the feds did for that certain case.

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Wow.

01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:28.140
And, yeah.

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So, I mean, I'm sure, I don't think the feds have made it mandatory.

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I think the only thing that really made it mandatory was the E911 stuff and the GPS.

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But that's another story for another time.

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Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:40.200 --> 01:03:41.880
It's just, you know, something to think about.

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You know, maybe you might, next time you buy a cell phone, you might want to import one

01:03:45.220 --> 01:03:47.600
and make sure it's unlocked.

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And get prepaid sends that are paid with us cash.

01:03:53.780 --> 01:03:54.540
Well, those are cheap.

01:03:54.600 --> 01:03:56.060
I was surprised at how cheap they are.

01:03:57.640 --> 01:03:59.260
Prepaid sends that to the waiting cell.

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.180
I really can't wait until this market actually breaks over in the United States.

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:06.100
I mean, you're really starting to see the beginnings of it on eBay and everything.

01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:11.840
But, like, you go over to Europe and there's basically just aisles and aisles of SIMs from

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various carriers.

01:04:12.860 --> 01:04:14.860
I'm like, wow, this is so cool.

01:04:15.720 --> 01:04:16.440
Yep, absolutely.

01:04:18.240 --> 01:04:20.100
And you just plug it in your phone and you have a new phone number.

01:04:20.160 --> 01:04:20.960
I'm like, yes.

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.160
I want a phone number from Lichtenstein.

01:04:25.680 --> 01:04:26.840
Yeah, it is pretty nice.

01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:29.080
Yeah.

01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:34.020
Well, corporate espionage is becoming so popular that they even have their own society.

01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.340
And it's at www.scip.org.

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.960
And it's the Society of Competitive Intelligence Professionals.

01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:50.560
So, are these the people who are defending against corporate spies or are the corporate spies themselves?

01:04:50.600 --> 01:04:56.740
Well, they label themselves as a global nonprofit membership organization for everyone involved

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in creating and managing business knowledge, whatever that means.

01:05:00.580 --> 01:05:05.340
Actually, I think they refer to them as kites.

01:05:06.120 --> 01:05:15.500
And what a kite is, is the flyer will set the kite out and then if there's any trouble or the kite gets caught

01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:18.780
or anything, he can just cut the string and let the kite go on about its way.

01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:20.900
And it can't be traced back.

01:05:22.620 --> 01:05:30.680
It's unlike what HP did where they had the quote-unquote private investigators, you know, do all the pretexting.

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But they did hire them.

01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:35.980
You know, if they would have been smart about it, they could have probably have gotten away with that.

01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:43.080
The problem is that they didn't realize that a few of those people were very tech savvy and they fought back hard.

01:05:43.080 --> 01:05:57.200
But, yeah, if you haven't heard of the HP, that's what it's referred to, debacle, go read up.

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It made news.

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How long ago was this?

01:05:59.100 --> 01:06:00.180
This was in 2006.

01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:01.440
It was about six months ago, right?

01:06:03.520 --> 01:06:04.860
Six, six, nine months ago.

01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:07.620
And it's just fun to see how everything played out.

01:06:07.620 --> 01:06:16.800
And if you want to buy something, want to actually buy something, go to Amazon and pick up, what's the book called?

01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.560
Hacking the Network 1, which was the first one that came out.

01:06:20.700 --> 01:06:22.400
So how to own the box.

01:06:22.640 --> 01:06:30.540
And I believe there are a couple – yeah, there's a couple of stories out there where it's – I mean, it's a perfect example of it.

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One of the stories – it's like – if you haven't read this book, read this book.

01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:36.280
It's a real fun book.

01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:43.960
It's – it's – essentially it's hacker fiction, and it's – but it's like – it's kind of – it's very well-versed and based on reality.

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And it's – it's a lot of what-if scenarios.

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And one of them is a guy hired by a company to break into another company and basically steal the source code for this –

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their brand-new application.

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That's an application.

01:06:58.700 --> 01:07:01.620
And, you know, yeah, exactly.

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That's what it was.

01:07:02.380 --> 01:07:07.520
And it's fun, and it details, like, you know, how it went about.

01:07:07.780 --> 01:07:16.600
And it's – I mean, it shows – it demonstrates a lot of tools you can use and how something like this could happen in real life.

01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.120
And it's just a fun read.

01:07:18.180 --> 01:07:21.380
I think I picked it up, God, probably like 2003.

01:07:22.180 --> 01:07:23.440
So, wow, it's three years now.

01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:24.440
Wow, that's kind of creepy.

01:07:26.040 --> 01:07:28.980
And I think I read it within, like, two or three days.

01:07:29.040 --> 01:07:30.300
It was just – I couldn't put it down.

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It was great stuff.

01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:37.000
Geek Mafia is also another kind of fiction-packing book that's pretty good.

01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.300
I love all of them.

01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:43.780
Oh, wasn't that – yeah, I remember hearing about that on Off the Hook.

01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:44.740
I never actually read it, though.

01:07:44.740 --> 01:07:45.060
Yeah, it was pretty good.

01:07:46.200 --> 01:07:46.780
It's cheap.

01:07:46.820 --> 01:07:49.160
You can get it off Amazon for a couple bucks, I think.

01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:50.260
You can get it for about five bucks.

01:07:51.060 --> 01:07:53.380
But it's definitely worth a good read if you're into that kind of stuff.

01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:55.380
Oh, wait.

01:07:55.500 --> 01:07:56.300
It's only a buck.

01:07:56.300 --> 01:08:00.400
Pick it up for $1.

01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.480
But, yeah, how to own the network.

01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:08.960
No, it's how to own the box, I believe.

01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:09.280
Hold on.

01:08:09.600 --> 01:08:12.480
I think I can – stealing the network, how to own the box.

01:08:12.540 --> 01:08:13.880
Yes, it's on my bookshelf right now.

01:08:14.600 --> 01:08:18.840
And stealing the network, how to own the continent is the second one,

01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:20.060
and I believe there's a third one.

01:08:20.400 --> 01:08:23.020
And the fourth one, I believe, is coming out real soon now, if I'm right correctly.

01:08:23.020 --> 01:08:28.920
Yeah, I don't know what the fourth one is, but I have that on good information.

01:08:29.120 --> 01:08:29.420
I'm forward to it.

01:08:33.100 --> 01:08:33.660
All right.

01:08:33.900 --> 01:08:35.960
Well, anything else?

01:08:36.260 --> 01:08:37.140
No, that's about it.

01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:38.120
Yeah, get into security.

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We need all the security help we can get.

01:08:40.660 --> 01:08:40.780
Good.

01:08:40.780 --> 01:08:44.120
It's a very, very growing field.

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As I was explaining to you before we started the show,

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there's a lot of people that are in security, as in IT also, that, you know,

01:08:52.860 --> 01:08:54.600
they're really not into their job.

01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:59.000
They just kind of went that way for – as a career decision.

01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.860
I don't know about you guys, but I am, like, a true geek at heart.

01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:05.180
I can't stop fiddling with stuff.

01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:08.320
I'm always building servers and tearing them down and doing installs

01:09:08.320 --> 01:09:12.260
and playing around with different things, and it seems like the majority –

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Please, you're talking to the guy who built up a malware analysis station.

01:09:15.400 --> 01:09:15.960
Come on now.

01:09:17.100 --> 01:09:18.100
Because I got bored.

01:09:19.060 --> 01:09:20.460
Oh, I have a spare computer.

01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:21.200
Let's go build this.

01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:23.540
The majority of the people that are in the field really aren't – you know,

01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:24.320
they're not like that.

01:09:24.320 --> 01:09:28.100
They graduated from college, and they put security on their resume and got a job.

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So –

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Well, that's what it came down to.

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I mean, when I was in college, there were two groups of people.

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There were the people there who enjoyed it, and then there was people here because,

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oh, I heard IT paid a lot.

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That's exactly right.

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Yep.

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And why would I ever use a command line when I can double-click on all these pretty icons on the desktop?

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Well, I've got to admit, there were a couple people who were there because, you know,

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they heard IT was a good career move,

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and they were relatively, you know, well-versed in everything,

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and they knew what they were talking about.

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So, I mean, but there were – of course, there were people that were just like,

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oh, you know, I want to get a good job and pay a lot of money and not do any work

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and play on the computer all day.

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Well, no.

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The problem with IT in general is outsourcing.

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The good thing about security is companies will never outsource security because they're too paranoid, you know,

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and as well they should be.

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Why should you send all your corporate security functions to India or Pakistan or South Africa or, you know,

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any place, Europe, to outsource them when you can't secure it?

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You know, you're – I think they figured that out when they started outsourcing all these call centers to India

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with these databases.

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They said, you know what, we don't have any control over this information once it goes to Bangalore.

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It's gone.

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Well, wasn't there a company who outsourced – it was like a medical transcription service who outsourced their stuff to India

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and they all of a sudden had a contract dispute with them after they sent all their data there

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and it was all these medical records and all these social security numbers and they're like, oh, fine, we're keeping this now.

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Pay some more money.

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And I think they had to fork it over because they were just – they were sweet.

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How much database information can you get on a 320-gig hard drive?

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You know.

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Exactly.

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A million to a million.

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How much database can you get on like a CD?

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It's just amazing how much stuff can fit on there.

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Yeah, SQL is definitely very portable.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's pretty much all I got, yeah.

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All right.

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Yeah, well, it was a cool enough episode.

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I think we kind of ventured from corporate estimates a couple of times, but there was some good stuff in there.

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I mean, InfoSec is just a fascinating career.

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Well, not career, but I can tell where my mind is.

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An interesting field in so many ways and just – it's such a varied.

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I mean, we've got like malware and that's InfoSec and then we can get corporate espionage and then we, you know,

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we can talk about forensics and it's just – there's so many subclassifications of it where we can just basically probably do it for another half a year

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and not cover all the little tidbits and nooks and crannies of it.

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Right, right.

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It was definitely an interesting episode.

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Well, let's see.

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We actually have an announcement this week that I think Booter still wanted me to announce that he's still doing the Jenny scan.

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And I think you can contact him on either IRC or the forum.

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So just send him a PM or something.

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And the forums are still messed up.

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So we're still working on that, I believe.

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I believe StankDog is currently – yeah.

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I kind of – I haven't noticed him down, have you?

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But apparently people have been still saying stuff about it.

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And StankDog, as we're recording this, is busily pouring over the server right now.

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It's sporadic, but nothing really noticeable.

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No, I haven't really noticed anything.

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Shouts.

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I'll now send shouts out again to Iridium and all of our service people.

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So thanks a lot, guys.

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Absolutely.

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Thanks very much.

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And I'll also send shouts out to – yeah, I'll send shouts out to StankDog and Fix the Tower

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and Booter for doing Jenny Scan and all the people who sent me presents.

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But they don't listen to this radio show, so it doesn't really matter.

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Yeah, I get presents.

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It's Christmas.

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Good stuff.

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Shouts out to my mom and my dad.

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Yeah, and my wife.

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Kicking out old school and Santa.

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And all of those.

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Yeah.

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I'm just going to ask you this randomly.

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Did you actually check out the Google Earth Santa tracking service?

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No, I did not.

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You know which one I checked out is the one from NORAD.

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I actually went to the NORAD website and watched them track Santa.

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It was really cool.

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Yeah, I got to say, compared to Google Earth, the NORAD one is totally lame, or at least the one that I saw from last year.

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I didn't check them out this year.

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But I loaded up Google Earth, and I was showing it to like two or three people, and they were all like my age, mid-20s.

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And they're like, oh my God, that is so cool.

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Because you have like this little icon of like Santa going across.

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And I think we checked him out around like 11 a.m.

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And he was somewhere in the South Pacific, and I was like, go Santa.

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Wow, that's amazing.

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Yeah.

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Do you have any shows?

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I'm all set, man.

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Thanks for having me.

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I appreciate it.

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Okay, so you should.

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All right, no problem.

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Our site of the week, and as Paladin brought up earlier, it's santabox.norman.no.

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Awesome.

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Which is, yeah, it's a fun site.

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You should check it out.

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Email, always, radioopenrev.com.

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Send us an email.

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Especially if you're in the service, because I'm quite interested in talking to you for no other reason than my own curiosity.

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Closing music is from Sonic the Hedgehog 3.

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It's called Walk on Water, and it's by House the Gate, available on ocremix.org.

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And, as always, we will see you next week.

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Stay ahead, Kyle.

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We'll see you next week.

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We'll see you next week.

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We'll see you next week.

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We'll see you next week.

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We'll see you next week.

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We'll see you next week.

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