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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you

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in a fag pose, in your digital stance, getting firewalls hoes, cause I'm riding the net in

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my six foes, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable,

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on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and

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I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamtap, you need some ISO, let me do my

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hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hood, you just caught the

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love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I carved the fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's all

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gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling

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your bones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your

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back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack,

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this is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals, serial code, source code, ISO, RAN, SIP, SIP,

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this is dedicated to the hackers and the crack.

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Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode, what episode number is this?

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I have no idea, I'm just trying not to yell out boogers or anything at the beginning

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of this time.

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Yeah, isn't it weird, I think this is a 180 actually, this is somewhat of a milestone.

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Why is this a milestone?

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I don't know, 180, it ends in a zero.

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So it's an even number and that's a milestone?

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Nope, it's always a milestone.

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It's divisible by five.

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Anything divisible by ten to me is a cool number.

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Yeah, I mean that's what I think too, yeah, so this is 180.

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Well you know what, since we're on that topic and I always go into these tangents, let me

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tell you about a weird little personality quirk, or not personality, a weird little thing I

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have, a little obsession or something.

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Tell me if this is just a weird stank thing here, but like, I can find significance in almost

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every number.

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Like, I can look over at a clock and there'll be like significance to the number.

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Sometimes it's simple things like it's 123, so it's 123, it's an obvious number with some

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significance to it.

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Other times I'll look over and it's like 314, and I'm like, oh look, it's pi.

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It's pi time, you know?

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Or every time, like I call decoder on the phone at 1111 at night all the time, I'll look over,

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it's oh, it's 1111.

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I'll call and I'll go, happy default.

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And he's like, what the fuck is it 1111?

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I'll probably do that, I always do default time, because 1111, like when you're a kid,

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oh, it's picket fence time.

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No, no, no, it's default time now.

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It's default time, yeah, I do that in IRC a lot, I'll go, happy default.

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But like any number, like even silly ones, like for example, 248, well they're all even,

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plus they're all multiples of each other, 2 times 2 is 4, 2 times 4 is 8, you know, like

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weird stuff.

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Like I find, I know, I'm telling you, there's something wrong with me.

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Like every, I can find a significance in almost every freaking number that you can come up

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with, whether it's mathematical, whether it's a literary reference, whether it's even like

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a translation to a phone, you know, 337 is DDP, you know, like any, I can always find

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a significance of the number somehow.

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I'm just crazy that way, I guess.

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You're just crazy.

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Well, in many other ways as well, but yes, you are correct.

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Anyway, today's date is January 2nd, we'll just toss that out there before we start talking

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about numbers.

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I'm Black Ratchet, and you can tell it's tank dogs here, because we're talking about crazy

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ass numbers.

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Yeah, leave it to me to talk about such bizarre things.

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Numbers, woo!

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Yeah, this is our show top tonight, we're trying to talk about crazy numbers.

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Oh, we are in a way.

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We are, we have a lot of different things going on tonight.

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A shotgun show, right?

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Yes, yes, we have a number of things to talk about.

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We have a couple of major ones, I think, that are going to drive the whole show, I believe.

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Yeah, we're doing the shotgun topics, and I think 178 I called holiday freestyling, so

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this is holiday freestyling, too.

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Freestyling in the new year.

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Yeah, 2007 freestyling.

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Electric boogaloo.

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Yeah, 2007 is just, 2006 was a much more round number.

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Yeah, true, but you know, 7 is a T in elite speak, so.

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If you really, see this, again, this is my weird thing, you know, you got 2007, which

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really, 2007 is R-O-O-T, so this is the year of the root.

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I'm sorry, I can't, I can't help it, it's a weird thing, I'm sorry, I'd just do that.

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Welcome to root.

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I never even thought of 2 being, as a replacement for R.

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Ah, you're not as fluent in elite speak as I am.

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Oh, no, I just actually try to make my lead speak understandable by people.

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Oh, I know, too, but you know what, the audience of this show probably would understand it, that's

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the funny part of the whole thing.

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Because you're all losers, I mean, uh, no.

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I mean, winners, winners, yeah.

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Winners, they rock.

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Listeners to this show are awesome.

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Oh, man.

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Well, um, I got some housekeeping to do before we dive into any email.

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Do you have housekeeping?

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Oh, gee, just a little bit.

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Well, I mean, we're, I mean, I'm talking about, like, stuff on the show here, I'm not talking

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about, like, you're going to make your bed.

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Well, maybe I can make my bed while I deliver the housekeeping for the show.

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Did you have housekeeping you wanted to do first before I go into mine, or?

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No, I'm all set, so you can go take it away.

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Well, I guess I, uh, maybe I shouldn't do it again this week, because I guess I overcommitted

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last time I was on the show, uh, saying that we thought we had the server issues hammered

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down.

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Well, I guess we didn't.

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So, I've been working on these things non-stop.

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Obviously, the holidays kind of threw a monkey wrench into things as well, and me traveling

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for work, and then I have to travel for the holidays.

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So, uh, finally got to sit down and really, really work on it and concentrate, and I've

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been working really closely with Tabiz lately.

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I worked with Savant a lot before that.

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I even had Not Theory on again last night, looking at some things, and, um, we seem to

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have gotten the box stable again, as stable as I think we can get it at this stage.

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Um, basically the, I don't know how much detail to go into here, actually, um, we're not

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getting errors anymore.

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We were getting a lot of errors about unable to create new thread, error number 11s, stuff

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like that, um, generated by the forums, but it wasn't related to the forums, and that's

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what people didn't quite seem to understand.

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It's not the forums that were causing any problems, it's the server itself.

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Kind of choking.

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It, um, I guess the simplest way to explain it, because I can't explain it exactly, we

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do not know exactly what the problem is yet, but I guess the long and short of it is that

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we are just putting maximum capacity on the box is the bottom line, I think, and MySQL

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is just sucking the memory faster than we can, than we can get it.

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So, um, we finally had to spend a lot of, damn it everyone, stop visiting the website.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, it's great that we're growing and all, but we just have to deal with the growing

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pains that go along with it.

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So, uh, I optimized MySQL, um, Tabiz and I have been doing that all week, basically, uh,

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going through trying different optimizations, um, this, end of this week, like starting,

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let's see, last week, actually, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, every night,

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and, yeah, Sunday night, every night I was up until 4 or 5 a.m. reading MySQL documentation,

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and long-time listeners know how much I just despise MySQL in general from a programming standpoint.

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And, and by MySQL documentation, we need, well, yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Um, that might have made it more interesting.

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It's dry, just reading through every variable and whatnot.

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See, I always hated MySQL from a programming standpoint.

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It didn't support stored procedures.

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In the past, don't write me emails telling me it does now.

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Big fucking, well, great.

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Um, it's still got issues from a programming standpoint.

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Um, but now, I hate it even more because from a sysadmin standpoint, all this configuration

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and tweaking and stuff is just ridiculous.

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It's not, it does not scale well.

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And as our site's growing, it's just causing, um, just a horrible load on the server.

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It's eating up memory.

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And I'm going in, I'm fucking, I'm looking at every system variable that MySQL has.

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I'm reading their documentation.

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I'm doing exactly what it would suggest you do.

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I'm tuning it to exactly what our needs are on the box and what our specs on the box are.

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And I keep, I must have bounced MySQL two, three hundred times here in the past couple weeks

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and Apache and stuff like that.

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And none of it seems to really do much or help very much.

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Um, got it to the point where it looks like it's stable.

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I haven't had any reports of errors since these last round of changes.

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So we're hopefully just going to leave it like that.

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Um, we still get some Apache processes that hang, which I believe is because it's needing memory.

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It's not able to get it and it gets confused and it just kind of hangs there and eats up CPU cycles.

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So that's the only ongoing problem that I'm aware of now.

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And the solution is we manually watch the box and restart Apache whenever that happens.

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But what we need to do is we need to like train like a little monkey to do it for us.

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Well, yeah, or replace the monkey with a little Perl script.

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But that's not a long-term solution either.

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We can't just restart Apache randomly or whatever.

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We need to find the cause of the problem, which is frustrating because as far as the system is concerned,

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it's just a running process.

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It doesn't know or care that it's eating up the CPU as far as it's concerned.

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It's running.

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So that means there's nothing generated in the error logs.

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You know, there's nothing for us to look at and see, hey, what's going wrong?

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So we're trying to figure out, okay, well, whose process, what is this specific process running?

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Maybe it's hitting some weird URL that's got a bug in it or, I mean, it's just kind of so hard to figure out.

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But that's where we're at now, and hopefully we'll get that shored out.

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But even so, this is a short-term solution.

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We still are pushing the box to maximum capacity.

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So in the next month or two, we are probably going to be switching to a new hosting company

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because we need to upgrade the box.

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And our current hosting company has been okay when we do all the work ourselves.

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But as soon as I start asking questions or try to get them involved,

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they want to nickel and dime me for every little thing to look at

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or every little thing that you want done, which is common for every hosting company.

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So I can't really single them out and say it's their fault.

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It's just time for us to kind of grow and evolve.

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So that will probably be happening.

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So we'll, of course, keep people in the loop and let everybody know because there will probably be a down time.

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We'll minimize it as much as possible.

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When we switch service, we're probably going to have to take a day or two off, maybe over a weekend.

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We'll have to take the site down as we move everything over.

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But we'll, of course, let everybody know before that happens.

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So that's my housekeeping for the week.

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What you're going to do is you're going to have, like, WWW1 bin rev and WWW2 bin rev.

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It won't be leet and, like, all enterprise.

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No.

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See, and here's the other thing.

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And, gosh, I hesitate to say this on the air because I know I'm going to get such backlash for it.

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But you guys got to realize I've been paying for this out of pocket for years, you know,

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dedicated server with a lot of bandwidth for the radio show and the videos and all the other stuff.

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And now we've maxed the capacity.

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Well, the next step up is a pretty big financial step up for me.

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And I don't know if I can keep paying this kind of money for this kind of server.

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I mean, as much as I love it and, you know, I love you guys and everything, but, you know, I've got to put food in the dog's mouth, too.

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So we might have to work something out here.

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I've always said that I don't ever, ever, ever want to have to put ads on the site.

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But I've got to tell you, we've got to honestly consider it because the future of BINREV is kind of at stake now.

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We just can't afford to pay for all the resources that we need anymore.

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So we might have to break down and work something out or work out some subscription plans or some donations.

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We're tossing around a lot of ideas, but we're probably going to have to do something in the future.

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But once again, we'll let everybody know and solicit some advice or suggestions as we go along.

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But I don't know, at some point it's just...

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I think we should auction off dinner with Savant.

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Well, okay, that might get us a nickel.

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I was thinking a couple of cents at least, you know?

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Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess technically Savant would pay up to a dollar to go have dinner with me.

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But I'd have to guarantee him sex afterwards.

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And, you know...

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Yeah, I'm going to say, okay, you put out afterwards, huh?

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Oh, who are we kidding?

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We know I'm going to put out.

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All right, so that's it for me as far as I think that's all.

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That's enough, trust me.

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It's frustrating, too, that I have to spend all my time doing sysadmin stuff.

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I'm not able to participate in projects as much as I'd like.

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I haven't been able to write as much.

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I've got a few ideas I've come up with and some scripts I want to write.

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And I just haven't had time because every waking moment is spent researching and tweaking the server.

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So, okay, essentially what you just summarized, we're doing...

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Pretty much that's what it feels.

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No, we'll work it out somehow.

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But bear with us as we go through some growing pains, that's all.

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All right, well, that sounds fair enough.

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Sounds good.

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Shall we go into email?

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And our first email is from Matt.

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And it says, greeting Black Ratchet and Faceman.

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Nice A-team reference, by the way.

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Re, Faceman's Linux troubles.

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Try Ubuntu, I like it.

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Re, Faceman's statement, that's binrev does not condone getting hurt with Uzis or something like that.

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And he has mattkaren.net slash interest slash shooting slash zombies dot php.

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Boy, what is it, Doc?

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I have not listened to these episodes yet because of my traveling.

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I can't wait to go back and listen to them.

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It's now triggering emails about bringing a maxi patch.

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You know the human female is the only animal species that can bleed for 30 days and live for a week every 30 days and live?

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Think about it.

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They are meant to absorb blood and they are sterile.

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I don't know.

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I just, I heard that come around.

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I don't know if it's true or not.

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There you go.

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It's on the internet.

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It's got to be true.

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Well, how do we know that animals don't do that?

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I really don't.

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My line was, I don't trust anything that bleeds for seven days and doesn't die.

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It says, Purell or other hand sanitizers aren't just for cleaning your hands.

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They're jellied alcohol, which makes them a great accelerant.

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I don't know that I would use it if timber was dry and easy to start, but it might be the only way to get a fire going if it's raining.

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As the alcohol burns off, you can use it to dry out and start your bird's nest and get something going.

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Re-motherboard beeps.

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This is a very, it covers everything in the episode here.

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Why is it that the first 64K of memory isn't on the motherboard?

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Hell, you could put 128K on the first 64.

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You put 128K on and if the first 64 fails, they flip to the second.

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We just need enough to admit the VGA card and print a useful message to the console.

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Way easier than beeps.

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Re-vintage computer stuff.

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Remember the whole memory mess of the 1990s?

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You've got conventional memory, which you had to keep as free as possible by pushing stuff onto the upper memory area

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by running HiMem.sys and EMM386, or the QEMM replacement, which worked a lot better.

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Now, once you get above the 1MB memory limit, which for many people, including myself, refer to as the 640K limit,

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there are two solutions.

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In the mid-late 80s, there was expanded memory, which, like Intel's physical address extensions of more recent memory,

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allowed the system to access more memory than was originally designed.

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The nifty thing about this is that it was an ISA plug-in card, which behaved like a bus peripheral.

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Peripheral.

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Okay, peripheral, yeah.

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I didn't know why I said that.

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Because this email is so freaking long.

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It's like reading a book.

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Yeah, it just jumps around.

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It's a good email, though.

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Yeah.

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Okay, technically this isn't completely true.

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The PAE is a CPU-level trickery to compensate for limits of the 32-bit CPUs able to address memory.

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The 286 systems were able to access this memory, but the OS wasn't.

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So this was more to fake out DOS than anything else.

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It used a special driver to allow the OS to read and write data to the board.

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Of course, the software had to be written for it, and anything wishing to go and take advantage of it had to be specifically written to do so.

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This caused issues later on, as software written for EMS memory couldn't run on later systems unless a memory emulator was properly configured, or configured correctly.

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Why did you feel the need to improvise an email there?

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What was wrong with it saying it was configured correctly?

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You had to change it to properly configured.

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Because I felt that was better.

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And I just like calling you out when you do it.

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Yeah, shut up.

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Once we grew out of this hack and the memory started resembling what we typically think of today, you get extended memory.

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Various memory managers, including the aforementioned QMEMM and QEMM386, allowed you to specify amounts of different types of memory available to the applications.

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And there used to be specifications options for these when specifying startup settings for DOS applications and older versions of Windows.

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Though I don't think there's any way to do this.

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I don't know if there's a way to do this now.

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Of course, this all went away with protected mode memory access, which is a much-memory idea.

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Woo-hoo!

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Re-iCandy.

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Have you checked out Barrel?

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It's an OpenGL-accelerated Windows manager, which just has plenty of iCandy.

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I got it working, and the iCandy is rather nice, but I'm not going to be using it because I prefer my XFCE setup better.

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Until I can duplicate the way I have XFCE setup, I'm still using FXCE.

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Still, it's pretty, and you folks might like it.

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Take it easy, Matt.

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Man, what did you do with all that money you'd been saving up?

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What'd you do with all that money you'd been saving up?

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All that money I've been saving up?

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Ha!

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Own!

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I knew there was something coming there that I didn't want to have, but I...

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Well, that was a long email.

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I think I would have stumbled all through that one, too.

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That was, like, a bunch of different topics in that thing.

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And I think the summary is, be glad we're not still using DOS.

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Because I remember having to carry around a floppy disk with all the configurations on it because, like, I go play games on computers in the university or something like that,

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and I'd have to pop in my boot disk so that it would partition all the memory out the way that the game needed it because it could only use so much.

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And, yeah, it wasn't fun.

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Hey, hey, Pop Quiz, what does QEMM stand for?

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Oh, hold on.

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Extended Memory Manager, it's QA...

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Oh, man.

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What does the Q stand for?

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Quarterdeck, yes.

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I forgot.

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Quarterdeck.

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The software company for those...

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Yeah, and didn't they actually later get incorporated into...

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It was hardcore.

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Wasn't that actually used in Windows 95?

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Didn't they actually buy it up and incorporate it in to use, like, their version of legacy support, like the way you could run old DOS programs in a DOS shell window because it was still, at that time, based...

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Underlying DOS was still around, DOS 7, I think it was.

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And you still needed it if you wanted to play your old games.

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Could be.

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Frankly, you may still need it now, for all I know.

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I haven't actually gone back to try to play Commander Keen under XP or anything.

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Okay, they do have all that emulation stuff, so you never know.

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All I remember is, like, if...

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From Microsoft Flight Simulator, which I played back in the day, and still looks a fun game,

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it was, like, I was running it on a horribly outdated machine, and it said, like, if you were running, like, certain maps,

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you needed lots of expanded memory, but if you were doing certain other things, you needed lots of extended memory, too,

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and, like, I was just looking at it going, dude, I have one meg of RAM.

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Go screw yourself.

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No, I never got out of too much flight work.

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I should get that program.

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If I was going to learn how to do a flight simulator, I'd learn how to fly a real plane instead.

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Which I did, but got kicked out of.

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That's a story for another time, though.

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You don't want to go there.

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Let's see, our next e-mail is from Anonymous.

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Ooh.

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There is one thing you can do to avoid detection from UAVs with IR.

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If you have any survival blankets, you can use those to cover up your heat signature.

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Survival blankets are the ones mentioned that have the one shiny side.

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Make sure that that side is a little bit easier to reflect your body.

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Would you like a baked potato, or...?

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Well, no, you want your body heat reflected in, because that's what the kids are looking for.

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I'll tell you what.

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Do you want me to read one?

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Yeah, sure.

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So you can go get some sweet iced tea, or whatever it is you drink.

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Yeah, sure.

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Next e-mail comes from Neoino.

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Interesting-sounding name, Neoino.

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He says,

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Hey, BinRev Radio host one, and BinRev Radio host two.

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That's us.

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Listening to show 178 at the moment, and earlier you spoke about culture jamming,

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and my mind was cast back to a podcast idea I had, which I dubbed life cracking.

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Life hacking is already a buzzword, sadly.

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The idea to have a social hacking challenge to fulfill every X weeks, and then the challengees report back on the podcast with their experiences.

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Could also be modified so the challenge is aired one week, and then listeners take on that challenge and e-mail their responses back in.

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Actually, I think this is kind of an interesting idea.

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Might make for a pretty funny segment, and of course, the advantages of having a multinational group of coordinated social hackers can't be discounted.

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I think it would be kind of a neat thing to have on Grit Factor if it, you know, ever comes back.

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I talked to him out there yesterday, and he's a busy man.

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Anyway.

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Yeah, well, you know, you do what you got to do, I guess.

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Oh, and look, this next e-mail is something that I don't want to talk about, so I'm going to turn this one back over to you.

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Nah, I hate MySQL, it sucks.

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Oh, oh, sure, sure.

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Whatever way, like, little coward you are.

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Alright, let's see.

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Oh, actually, this is from Anonymous as well.

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In episode 176, Black Ratchet read an e-mail from a listener that wanted to store a GUID in a MySQL database.

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The listener was having trouble because the maximum numeric type that MySQL will store is an 8-byte integer, but a GUID is 16 bytes, 128 bits.

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Black Ratchet said that the reason for this is that the reason this is not very well supported is because it's unlikely that anyone ever bothered trying to index a table by GUID.

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Since no one uses GUIDs other than Microsoft for the registry.

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And MySQL is largely a Unix-based system.

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However, there is at least one big system that heavily uses Linux-slash-open-source software and uses a GUID scheme for identifying data, and that's Second Life.

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I'm not going to go much into Second Life at http-slash-slash-secondlife.com, all spelt out with the words,

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except to say that it's a large, multi-user virtual world in which users create all kinds of 3D objects.

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GUIDs are used to identify pretty much everything in the world, from objects to users to scripts and sounds.

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Linden Lab, the maker of Second Life, has reportedly touted the fact they use MySQL databases for a fair amount of their data,

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and I'm sure at least some of their tables index on GUIDs.

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I realize with a lead-in like this, I'm supposed to tell you the right way of indexing a table by a GUID,

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but I'm not that much of a database person.

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I do store some GUIDs in a semi-big 300,000K record, or 300,000 record,

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MySQL table of my own,

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and I just made the GUID column to be of type car, char, char, whatever you want to call it, 36.

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So, 36 characters.

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And store the GUID as is, in a hexadecimal with dashes.

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I'm pretty sure there's probably a better way, but I'm not a DB pro.

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That said, doing this makes for pretty speedy lookups, so I'm happy.

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Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that GUIDs aren't just from Microsoft Registry anymore.

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I'm sure other services out there use them as well.

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I never said that Microsoft is the only person that uses, or only entity that uses GUIDs.

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I'm just saying that Microsoft-based systems are, they rely heavily on them.

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Well, now, and fill me in here for a GUID.

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Is this, what, just a unique row identifier and SQL server?

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Is that what that says?

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It is a global, oh, boy.

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Is it equivalent to, like, a row ID in Oracle, or?

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Essentially, you can use it for that, but it's more along the lines of, it's called a global unique identifier.

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And I'm sure you've seen it.

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It's that little, like, bunch of hex characters.

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You see it in the registry a lot.

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Random.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Kind of gibberish looking, but they're all unique.

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They're unique numbers.

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But they're unique, all that is is to identify, uniquely identify a row in a table.

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No, not necessarily.

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Right.

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It can be used to, it can be used to uniquely identify anything.

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Like, for example, in the registry, each program has a GUID.

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And when you create a GUID, it takes the, like, the machine it was created on, it takes, like, its Ethernet address, and it takes the time it was actually created, and probably, like, the phase of the moon, and all kinds of other stuff.

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Yeah, I didn't realize that that was also called a GUID, or I guess I didn't think about it.

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I never really cared.

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No, I really don't care either.

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And I would love to know how in the holy hell Second Life is able to use my SQL on such a large scale.

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I mean, they've got to have it, like, they must spend a lot of money on all these multiple servers powering the database, scattering the load across a data center,

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because, for crying out loud, we can't even handle running one busy forums on it.

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So, I'm sure they're, uh, I wonder how long that'll, how much longer that'll last.

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Well, they owe, I'm sure they have loads and loads and loads and loads of servers scattered about various data centers across the United States.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, more power to them.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, yeah, so that's about to wrap it up for email.

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Is that it?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Alrighty, then.

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Do we have, we don't have closing email music, do we?

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No, we don't.

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Ba-na, ba-na, that was the email, ba-na, radio at binrev.com.

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There we go, now we have closing email.

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There we go, there's our closing email.

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We're just going to, I'm going to, I'm going to isolate that and I'm going to use that every week.

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No, that was just for this week.

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That was a special just for this week.

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No, man.

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Nobody wants to hear it.

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Well, this show is, I was going to say this show is under release under Creative Commons, but I'm not sure about that.

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Um, yeah, absolutely we are.

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Um, actually, do you know what?

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Oh, we are? I didn't know if we were.

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I have something I wanted to, let me check something real quick here on the global interweb while I talk and stall for time.

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Um, the last episode of Binrev Radio that I did with Knot Theory, which is what I'm trying to look up to give you guys the exact number online.

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Notice how I stall while I do it, um, which was 169, the episode on virtualization, uh, one that, uh, that Knot Theory and I hosted.

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Um, that was about the time that people were doing some remixes of my voice on the show, which is why it popped into my head.

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And, uh, using my I'm a fucking moron remixes that they're making, well, Knot Theory and I had a few outtakes from that episode and some funny stuff,

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that I slipped onto the end of that file.

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And I know a lot of people will listen to the closing music or start listening and then turn it off when they think it's ended,

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but sometimes I'll hide in a few little Easter eggs at the end of the show sometimes.

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You might want to listen all the way through those episodes because there might be some other good remix material on there sometime.

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Just thought I'd share that.

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Well, are there Easter eggs now that you're on?

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Well, I gave it how long and nobody found them.

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I mean, people, see, and this is something like, yeah, see, here's the thing.

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Yeah, like I do also do that thing in the forums where I talk about, um, post titles, for example.

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You know, and I think somebody even posted this in the forums.

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They got what I was saying.

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It's noticing all the little details.

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You've got to pay attention to every little thing that's going on.

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We never, I mean, we have a regular pattern to the show, but we slip in some surprises once in a while.

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We slip in a few new things.

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We try different stuff.

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We, uh, we like to try to keep everybody on their toes.

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So, always pay attention to the detail, and if you see anything unusual, it might just be a screw-up or a mistake,

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but it might be a little Easter egg that we've planted somewhere.

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There are still stuff on the site that have been there for three, four, five years that people have never found.

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Well, just so you know, it's on the radio show.

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I was going to say, especially if I'm posting, then.

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Ow.

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That hurt.

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I'll try not to, but I guess when you roll across the room and you've got big toes like me, you're just going to run over yourself.

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That's going to leave a mark.

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I don't want a picture.

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That's right.

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I certainly have no idea what you're talking about.

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Anyway.

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Oh, big socks.

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Uh, we're going to do, uh, you want to move into some topics?

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So, while you're driving the show, I'll sit back and shut up.

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Oh, I don't know if you want to talk about personal habits, because I have nothing.

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A little, okay.

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Yeah, I got one quick one, because, um, this is kind of my first post-holiday episode.

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Um, I got a new gadget.

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I know last time I was on with you, we talked about some of the other gadgets that I take with me when I travel.

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Um, I got a new gadget that I had been wanting for Christmas.

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Um, I got the Harman, um, hold on, what's this damn thing called?

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What's the, uh, Harman Universal Advanced or Universal Remote Control, the 880.

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Because I have quite a few gadgets and devices in there, DVD player, VCR, et cetera, et cetera, big TV, all that good stuff.

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And I wanted then one universal remote control to rule them all.

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Dun, dun, dun!

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Well, uh, I was kind of excited about this.

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I was really looking forward to it.

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Um, I got it for Christmas, and I was able to finally get a few minutes to sit down and try to program it.

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A couple cool things about it.

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I guess this is turning into a mini-review.

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A couple cool things is you can customize the wallpaper.

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You can customize the, uh, colors and look and style, look and feel of the screen.

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You can customize the, uh, the background wallpaper, and you can upload pictures as a slideshow.

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It's, it has a screen on it, but it is not a touch screen.

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No, you touch the buttons next to the, to the appropriate visual button on the screen.

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You can actually touch the screen, but, but it does have a little screen there that's customizable.

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So, I guess you'd have to go to Logitech and, and look to see what exactly what I'm talking about, but, um, so that part of it was cool.

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Well, the part of it that I'm kind of disappointed in, well, there's a couple parts.

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Um, because I really, really wanted this, and I really was hoping, because it works.

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First of all, they've got a huge database, a huge library of support for lots of different devices.

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I mean, if they, I've had an old VCR that I've just always liked, um, and they had it on there.

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They had my Apex 660, my, my hacked Apex region free player.

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Um, they have just all kinds of stuff that I never even heard of.

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They have a huge database of controls for different devices.

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So, that's cool.

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So, you go in there, and basically, they have a little app that they, pretty much one of those wizard-style things where they walk you through,

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tell me your device and your model number.

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It looks it up in the database and downloads everything to your remote control via USB.

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USB.

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This is also rechargeable, in case I didn't say, it's got a little docking station to recharge your batteries,

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which lasts about a week.

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Yep.

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And the other really cool thing is it's got a little, uh, I think it's like the Nintendo Wii.

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It's got one of those little motion sensors in it where, like, you can have it sitting there,

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and if you reach and pick it up, it notices that it's movement.

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It senses the movement with a little sensor inside and lights up so you can see it in the dark, which is kind of cool.

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But, um, yeah, well, the performance is where it fell short for me.

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It does what it's supposed to do.

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It's just a little bit clunky about the way it does it.

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It's just not as responsive as I would like.

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Basically, when it walks through the wizard, it will, uh, it's, it's, um, I don't know how to say it,

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project-driven instead of device-driven.

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It's, it's action-driven.

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So, you put in an action like, um, watch a DVD.

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And what it will do is it'll say, okay, well, to watch a DVD, you want to, A, send the turn-off signal to the television,

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or the turn-on signal to the television, turn-on signal to the DVD, change to this channel,

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whatever channel you need to watch your DVD, or this input to watch your DVD.

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Uh, same thing with the VCR.

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They're, they're buttons based on action where it will do a series of events based on what you want to do,

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which kind of sounds fine, you know.

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If I want to watch a DVD, it's great.

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I can push one button, and it does all those things for me.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, first of all, everything has to be off to begin with, which is kind of annoying.

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So, if I've already got it on, and I decide, oh, I want to watch a DVD,

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I can't push the button because it doesn't know what the hell's going on.

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So, I have to power everything off just to begin with, or to do with something different, which kind of sucks.

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Now, I believe that I can go in and customize and reprogram the scripts that are running behind it,

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and I can tell it, turn off the TV, then turn the TV back on.

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I can put it turn off in front of it, but that's like, I shouldn't have to hack it that much to do something

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that I think is fundamental or commonly needed.

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And it's like that for other things.

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And the other thing I didn't like about it is there's no button for, like, the straightforward, obvious thing.

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There's no button that says, turn on and watch television.

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I have to, yeah, I know, I have to go hit the button on the remote to switch to devices,

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and then under devices, select TV, and then hit the button that says on.

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Well, if I've got to go through that fucking work, I'll just use the TV role in the first damn place.

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So, it makes you have to go through too many steps.

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Again, I can probably write my own program, write my own little script,

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and assign it to a button that says turn on television,

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and it'll send the turn on TV signal and maybe change to the input in the channel or something.

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But I just don't feel like, and I probably will do that,

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I just don't feel like I should have done that.

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It seems to me like that's something that every consumer is going to want or need,

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and they should have really put support for something that simplistic already into it.

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But, what do I know?

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Yeah, I know, people are starting to notice that, huh?

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It's been four plus, wait a minute, we're four years?

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Not much, actually.

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Yeah, we're three, I don't know.

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Let's just say it's been four years and people are finally starting to see through my facade of false knowledge.

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Yeah, I think so.

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That's right, that's right.

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But, yeah, I guess that's my show on television.

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I got that guy here.

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I think it retails for $250, and you can get it on the street for $200.

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But I'm pretty sure I'm leaning towards returning it,

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because it's too awkward and clunky to use.

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So, there you go.

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I am, I really, really wanted this.

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Because not only that, well, here's one other good thing that it would do for someone like me, too.

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I have some really old, some other hacked DVD players, some old televisions and stuff that I've long lost the remote controls for from all of my moving around.

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So, the universal ones you buy in, you know, Target or whatever for $5, $10 or Best Lie or any of those places, they never work right.

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Or they'll only have the minimal buttons.

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You can turn it on and change channels, and that's really it.

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None of the other stuff actually works properly.

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So, it's cool that I can go in there and program in, I think, up to eight devices that will allow you to program it in.

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So, I can put in the three, four, five that are in my main living room, including your Xbox, Wii, PlayStation, whatever the hell you got in there.

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And the functions and that, you can turn those on and play DVDs through them if you have the infrared thing on those and stuff like that.

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But I would also be able to say, oh, well, I can take the remote control with me back and watch the TV in the bedroom and enter the second bedroom over here and turn that TV on and play a DVD and stuff like that.

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You can program all those in there as well.

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So, that is definitely a cool feature.

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You finally get a true universal remote control that you can even walk from one room to the other with.

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And the next one up from this, which I wanted, but I wasn't willing to pay the extra, I think it was $150 more, I think it was $400, is the 890, which has RF frequency in it.

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So, I can actually turn it off around corners and stuff like that, which is kind of cool.

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Good way to mess with people.

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I didn't get that one, so I can't tell you, but I believe that they put an RF in the base station of the thing and plug that into the TV and sending the signal to the base station, which converts it into the appropriate signals to send to your TV.

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But I don't know.

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I'd have to, I didn't get that model.

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Yeah, I know.

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But, hey, wouldn't that be cool?

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Plus, plus, yeah, plus the other thing is what, and I don't know if it supports this.

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And, again, this is, would be a huge oversight in my opinion.

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If I designed it, I would also have it, if it's going to do RF, I would have it have a support for all of the X10 devices.

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So, not only can I control my electronics and my TV and stuff, but I can control my X10 devices, which would be lights, the garage door fucking opener, my electric ceiling fan.

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Those are, a lot of those are RF based.

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I want to control every, I don't ever want to have to get up.

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I want to sit in the chair and never, ever have to get up.

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Bedpan, whatever it takes.

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Or, or, or even better, would I have to actually get in the electric chair, or would I just, well, maybe I can program a Roomba.

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And just use that.

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And send it through to Roomba.

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Built in.

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I'll hack a Roomba robot together and have it, oh, man, this is turning into a pretty cool project.

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Oh, well.

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Anyway, that's my show, I tell.

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You got nothing?

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Come on, you had to get something, you had to get something cool for Christmas.

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Or Chris Mahana, Kwanzaa, whatever.

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Festivus.

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Festivus for the rest of us.

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No, I don't have anything.

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Chris Mahana, Kwanzaa?

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Festivus.

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Yeah, I was actually seeing a couple of Festivus-type cards out there and such.

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And it's kind of sad, because I realized that that was actually thought up by a sitcom.

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But, I mean, Festivus is fun, but it's just weird that it's a TV show.

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A TV show thought of it, and people are, like, starting to celebrate it.

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It's not just a TV show.

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It was Seinfeld.

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Whatever.

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It's like M.A.S.H. thought of a holiday.

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How about that?

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Oh, M.A.S.H., come on.

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M.A.S.H. doesn't even hold a candle to Seinfeld.

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Are you kidding me?

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M.A.S.H. can't even hang with Roseanne for crying out loud.

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Dude, M.A.S.H. was, like, pretty pumped up.

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I still think it's the highest-rated single moment of TV, isn't it?

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Well, people weren't as smart back then, though.

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See?

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Boy, is that going to have a landslide of email coming in?

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Dude, my first time...

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Come on, I'd watch Hogan Heroes over M.A.S.H. reruns.

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M.A.S.H. never did anything for me.

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Oh, I loved M.A.S.H.

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I'm not saying it's bad.

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It's not bad.

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It's just...

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It's kind of like Frasier.

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Frasier, I know it's good.

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It got great ratings from...

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It just didn't do anything for me.

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Oh, because it was actually...

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Oh, I'll say my name is Earl.

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It attempted to appeal to people's sophisticated humor, and that doesn't work well.

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I don't have any.

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Exactly.

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Oh, just give me dick and fart jokes, and I'm good.

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Although there's a new show with Tina Fey in it, that's got some pretty smart humor.

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I like that one.

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30 Rock.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, it's got Baldwin and Tina Fey.

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Yeah, and I don't particularly care for some of the others, but Tina Fey is hilarious.

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Anyway, we're getting side-checked.

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We need to do a television, like, not an episode of BinRev.

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We need to start a new show about television.

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You know, I should get Elonka to do a show with me about television each week.

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That would be fun.

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What happened on TV this week?

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Yeah, it'd all be about reality shows, because that's what we both are into, but anyway.

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Did you see Survivor this week?

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Oh, my God.

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This week.

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Oh, are you kidding?

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That show was over two or three weeks ago.

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Yes, I know.

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You watched it, too, didn't you?

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I don't know.

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No, I didn't, thank God.

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That's one of those things that can scare me out of the room faster than a nuclear disaster.

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What?

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Scare you out of the room?

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Why?

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I can't stand that show.

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It's stupid.

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Oh, I thought you meant there was something on it that you didn't.

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Never mind.

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Like, watch, like, I can't, I don't watch Fear Factor, because, like, I don't know, I think

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I've been in that rant before.

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Fear Factor, there's nothing fear, like, some of the stunts I can see, but, you know, daring

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somebody to eat a pig's asshole, that's not Fear Factor, that's Gross Factor.

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I'm not going to fucking eat some, you know, cow's unwashed asshole.

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That's not fear, that's stupidity factor, you know?

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Oh, we want to eat, like, a fucking goat's nuts or anything like that?

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What does that prove that you're brave?

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That proves to me you're a fucking idiot and you'll do anything for money.

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Aren't you glad we went down this road on the show?

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Don't you think we should get on something tech?

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I don't know, I always think, like, the host of Survivor has, like, the easiest job in

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the world, because, like, when he's announcing contests, he just dates the obvious.

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I listen to him, and I'm like, I could do that.

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So is way ahead.

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He's got the first lock open.

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Well, gee, thanks, Brainiac 5.

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And if I get to wear the spiffy hat, I'm still there.

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I don't know if you could pull off the hat.

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Oh, you know what?

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I would watch it if you were the host and you had to be there in your full Eagle Scout

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uniform with the badges and everything.

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I'd fucking watch that.

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Just to see you in that uniform with the hat.

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Well, no, because if you're in the Boy Scout uniform, you have to wear the Boy Scout hat.

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Is that against the rules to wear a different hat?

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Well, it would not be part of your class uniform.

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Whatever.

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Well, no, but I could wear the big spiffy hat.

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Didn't the guy in the previous episode say something about he didn't want to hear any

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more survival stuff?

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I guess I better shut up now, huh?

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We're not talking about survival stuff.

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Well, I guess technically not.

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You're talking about survival stuff.

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I'm talking about...

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Well, Boy Scouts learned survival tips and techniques.

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Well, yeah, that's how we learned it.

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Anyway, let's go in here.

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What's on the topic for tonight?

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Well, I think that we're doing a shotgun style show, which again, I guess a little bit of

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an explanation here is I read entirely far, far, far too much.

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I subscribe to 50-plus magazines, and I pretty much read them nonstop.

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I can't sit and watch TV.

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I joke about watching...

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You know, I watch a lot of TV these days with TiVo, thankfully, but I can't just watch it.

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Yeah, I can't just watch...

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Especially Survivor, honestly.

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I mean, I like it, but I can't just sit and watch it.

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I read while I watch television.

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I always multitask and read something while I'm watching television because television

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is not exactly stimulating my mind very often, so I usually try to read while I'm watching

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TV and get a lot of stuff.

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And what I do is, and yes, I'm a complete geek, and Black Ratchet and I were just discussing

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that before the show.

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As I go through these magazines, I pull out the articles that I find are interesting or

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worth reading on the air or sharing or discussing online or something like that, and I end up

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with a whole bunch of torn-out pages laying around the house back here in the war room,

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back here in...

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What is that called in war games?

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What do they call it?

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Yeah, something like that, whatever.

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Central Control...

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NORAD, there you go.

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I'll call it NORAD.

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The Hack Cave.

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I like the Hack Cave, but now it's not a cave anymore.

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It's kind of nicer, but anyway.

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So, I have a few articles I thought we'd go through, and some stuff that we have online,

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some stuff that Ratchet has.

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So, which one should we start with first?

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Do you want to do the...

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Because, actually, one of my favorites here is an article from CSO Online, which is Chief

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Security Officer Magazine, CSOOnline.com.

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I think you can read all these online if you don't subscribe to the print magazine.

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Well, Google didn't index those.

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Well, they've got a website, maybe you have to be a subscriber to get to them on, I'm not sure.

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But, what this is, is it's an article called...

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How many times do I use is in that sentence?

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It's an article called, What Guilty Looks Like?

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A List of the Physical Visual Tells Used in Behavioral Profiling to Catch Potential Bad Guys.

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Now, what the fuck did I just say?

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They're basically saying, what kind of facial tics and nuances and things do people do that

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trigger them or make you be suspicious of them that they might be a criminal, might be

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a terrorist, that sort of thing.

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You know, somebody's acting...

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What defines acting suspicious, I guess, is a simpler way to say it, right?

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Well, if I'm a terrorist, I'm not sure if facial tics are going to give you away, but maybe

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my shirt that ticks.

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Well, that might do it, too.

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Well, I tell you what, there's a list of things here.

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Let's see if a ticking device on your body is on the list of things.

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There is some of the things TSA employees might look for, TSA, of course, being the security

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in the airports.

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And actually, let's go by these one by one and see if we agree with or see what we think

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about these.

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Actually, if you use all these techniques intentionally and go into the airports, see if you get frisks

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and cavity searched and all that, if you're into that sort of thing.

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Number one...

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Oh, Eric.

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And make sure it's by somebody in a TSA uniform.

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Don't just bend over for anybody for a cavity search.

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Unless...

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Unless you like that sort of thing.

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Exactly.

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And who are we to judge?

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Number one is rapidly darting eyes.

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That seems pretty straightforward, right?

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Maybe somebody's eyes are darting around.

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Oh, did that do...

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I don't know.

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That's like something in the cartoons where the dog's eyes go back and forth real quick

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and...

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Or the evil monkey and family guy or something.

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I don't know how many people really have shaky eyes.

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You know what I mean?

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But I guess...

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Homicidal maniacs.

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I guess.

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I guess somebody who's suspicious that's like always looking over their shoulder, maybe

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that's kind of along the same thing, I guess.

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Let's see.

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Number two...

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This one's a good one.

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Deliberate and forceful attempts to make eye contact or trade hand gestures with a specific

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person, perhaps a co-conspirator.

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And again, I think that's something you see in sitcoms, you know, like somebody's behind

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the other person trying to get your attention, you know, don't say that, he's looking.

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And then when they turn and get caught, they try to play it off.

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Well, I guess I'm screwed if I want to, like, talk to my wife who's behind, who's out of

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earshot or something.

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I'm like...

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Or what if, you know, if you had to sign somebody who's deaf?

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Come over...

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Yeah, exactly.

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If you're deaf, you're ho...

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Did he just say plant a bomb?

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Swarm!

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Swarm!

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Another Seinfeld reference.

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Let's see, number three, quivering or overactive Adam's apple in men.

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I've never thought of that one before.

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Oh, quivering, yes, I guess.

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I don't...

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Quivering sounds like a very feminine word, but overactive Adam's apple?

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Do men...

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I don't think I ever knew that one before.

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Well, do men's Adam apples tend to move or fluctuate or something when they're nervous

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or when they're...

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You ever heard that?

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I've never heard of that, personally.

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Interesting.

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I'm going to have to watch for that.

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Get that Adam's apple moving.

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Where's some...

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We have to find some nervous men.

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Oh, man.

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Must resist joke.

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Tom Carlson, not here.

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Oh!

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Okay.

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Let's see, number four, profuse sweating.

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Well, I don't know.

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Yeah, I guess that's an obvious sign of nervousness, but what if it's hot?

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Plus, you know, I'm kind of...

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Yeah, don't tell me about it.

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I'm kind of a big guy.

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I tend to sweat more than, like, Natus or somebody.

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There was no AC in my small airport.

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Yeah, I guess, obviously, this is all in context.

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I mean, if somebody's sweating in North Dakota in the airport versus in, you know, down in Miami in the airport,

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then that's a little bit different.

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Okay, I don't know what number this is.

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Pulsing carotid artery, a tell used by a Utah State trooper who identified a wanted polygamist by his throbbing neck vein.

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What a little extra information on that one.

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What was that about?

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure if I want to look at it.

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Yeah, neck, as in head and neck.

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I think that's...

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that's the...

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I don't want to look at any throbbing vein.

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Throbbing and vein together, not a fun picture.

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Period.

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I don't think there's any throbbing vein that I would ever...

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If you ever said, hey, do you want to see this throbbing?

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I'm going to go, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop, no.

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Whatever it is throbbing, I don't want to see it.

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Don't want to know about it.

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Don't want to hear about it.

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Yeah.

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So.

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A pulsing carotid artery.

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See, that's...

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I think that would also be something that's really hard to see.

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Wouldn't you have to be right up in someone's face to see that?

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Well, I guess if you're...

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I guess if you're, like, you know, looking at someone across the...

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the Desco security that they have when you're putting all your stuff down,

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you'd be able to see it.

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I mean, I mean, just...

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I mean, look at what you're probably doing from the Utah guy.

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I mean, you've probably pulled him over and he's looking out from...

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Well, I don't know.

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It depends on what I'm doing, I guess.

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I try to avoid having...

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being pulled over, if I can help it.

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But, I mean, if you see someone's carotid artery pulsing from, like,

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across the fucking room, call a medic, for God's sake.

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Call 911.

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I mean, something's wrong with that picture.

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Oh, the next one actually kind of goes back to what I just said on this tangent there.

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It's inappropriate clothing for the weather conditions.

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And this may go back to what you were saying about ticking.

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I mean, if you're in Miami and you're in an overcoat that's ticking,

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you know, that's kind of a telltale sign that there might be trouble.

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That could be that, too.

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Like, were you there, the guy in White Castle in New York at Hope?

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No, not that.

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Yeah, no, not that guy.

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The guy who went after the show, not him.

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But when I think it was...

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Who was it?

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I think it might have been Troops.

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No, it was Zero DB and I.

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Zero DB and I were in there for lunch in the afternoon.

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And the guy came in trying to sell knockoff watches.

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And I guess he must have been a regular for that

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because as soon as they saw him come over and start talking to people,

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they called the cops on him.

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It was kind of cool.

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New York's pretty late, I've got to say, for vacation anyway.

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Let's see.

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What else?

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What else?

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Voice changes overly combative or stressful tones of voice

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regardless of what one is saying.

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Hmm, regardless of what one is saying.

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Interesting.

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I guess it makes sense.

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It makes sense, I guess.

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That's weird.

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I don't know.

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How they say things is more important than what they say.

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But what they say is pretty fucking important, too.

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I mean, they walk up to you and calmly say,

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yes, I'm going to blow up your plane.

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Please give me a ticket.

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They can be as calm as they want to be, but you know,

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that's why they tell you, too.

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Lately, I noticed, I know they've said this all along,

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and maybe you've noticed this if you've been traveling,

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but lately in the announcements over the airports

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that I've been going through, which is quite a few of them,

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they've added a comment that says,

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basically saying do not joke or make humorous comments.

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Any humorous comments will be treated as serious threats,

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so please, for the sake of whatever,

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or do not try to joke with the security agents

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or something like that.

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So, keep that in mind.

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Really?

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I never actually heard that.

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I've always heard that.

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It hasn't been recently or anything, but, no.

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Yeah, I had never heard it on the announcements before

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until recently.

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So maybe it's just the airports I happened to go in

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didn't have it.

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But, I mean, we've always said that anybody who travels

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has always known that they don't play

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when it comes to that stuff ever since 9-11.

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All right, a couple more left here.

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This one is kind of interesting.

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Loitering without luggage.

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And I'm not sure that I'm completely with that one

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because there's a lot of people waiting to pick people up.

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No, I am, that's bull.

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Well, my friend, he's a notoriously light packer,

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and he came in from Costa Rica with his girlfriend.

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He just, you know, went on a trip, stayed there for a week,

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and went through customs, and the custom person said,

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look, I see your bag.

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And he said, sure, here it is.

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But where's the other bags?

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That's it.

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No, it isn't.

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Yes, it is.

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I know what I think.

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So, I mean, they basically harassed him for a bit,

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but that's all he was thinking.

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Well, and plus it depends kind of on where you are, too.

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I mean, if you're back in the terminal area,

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then it might be a little bit more suspicious

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than it would be out in the luggage pickup

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or something like that

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because, you know, people are out there waiting

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for family to get off and giving people rides.

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So there's going to be people parked out in the terminal.

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And I know back right after 9-11,

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I remember traveling down from Fort Lauderdale Airport at the time,

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and they were putting a crackdown.

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They were not letting people stop to pick people up.

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You know how you go out front,

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you throw your luggage in the trunk,

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and you take off, you know?

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Well, sometimes, you know,

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people would sit there for maybe two, three, five minutes.

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They didn't want you to stay more than a couple minutes,

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but after 9-11, they wouldn't let you stop, period,

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unless the person was there to throw their luggage in.

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They had to be there,

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and you got maybe 30 seconds to throw it in

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and then get the hell out.

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They would not let you stop

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and wait even for 15 seconds.

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If they saw you stop

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and people were not putting something in your car within seconds,

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they would come over and say,

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you got to go.

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Logan does that here in Boston.

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They actually are, I mean, it's not more of instantaneous,

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but if traffic starts to get snarled around it,

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they just send it, one of the troopers comes by

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and just says, go, go, go.

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So that's a...

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You know, on a slightly, on a little tangent here,

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I learned something new recently.

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What airport was I at that this happened?

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I think this might have been an Orlando International.

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Yeah, I think it was.

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It was the parking garage at airports,

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which is a huge fucking ripoff, by the way.

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But anyway, you get reimbursed.

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I get reimbursed, so I don't care.

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You leave, you go in, you take a ticket,

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and it's like a luxury parking in, like, large cities.

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Maybe you can back me up on this.

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I've never had to park in a large city.

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But you go get a ticket

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that timestamps your date and time that you arrived.

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And then when you leave the parking lot,

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it's a controlled environment.

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You can't get out without going through the,

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basically the checkout lanes or whatever.

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And they'll look at it,

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and based on how many days or hours or whatever

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that you spend in the garage,

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that's how they determine what to charge you.

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Well, I was driving out one night,

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and I was chatting up the girl

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that was working at the lane there.

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And I asked her, I said,

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hey, what if, you know,

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I had forgotten where my ticket was.

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It was in my visor.

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And I was like,

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what if you lose this thing?

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I said, how do you know how long I've been there?

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It's like a maximum charge

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or a minimum charge or whatever.

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If I lose my ticket,

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how do you know I've been there

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for a day, a week, or a month, or six months?

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And I found out,

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and I don't know if you know this,

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but I did not,

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they have someone who walks through that thing

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every night

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and writes down every license plate

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of every car in the parking garage.

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Now, I don't know if this is just at Orlando Airport

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or all of them.

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I would suspect that it's at all of them, however.

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They go through,

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they write down all of them

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so they know the day that you got there,

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if not the hour.

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They'll know the day.

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So they'll know that this license plate number

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was not there on Monday,

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but it was here on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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And if I come back Friday,

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they're like, okay,

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we know you've been there four days.

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And when you leave,

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of course, you know there are cameras

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that have your license plate

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and all that kind of stuff.

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So a lot of it may be automated.

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But she told me that they have people

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that walk through there,

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A, just for security purposes

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and make sure nothing's broken into

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or people aren't lawyering

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or breaking into cars or whatever.

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and logging what spot you're in even

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and stuff like that.

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So I thought that was kind of interesting.

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I haven't heard that,

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but actually in,

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not for like an airport,

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but I did manage to lose my ticket once

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and they basically took all my information

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and I said,

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I was like,

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I was on it with them.

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I said, you know,

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I've been here for about three hours,

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but I don't have my ticket.

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And they said,

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oh, okay.

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And they just said,

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you know,

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what my car was

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and who I was

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and, you know,

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I guess so I couldn't like really,

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if they see the same car there

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like 15 billion times

01:00:02.240 --> 01:00:03.980
and they're going to say,

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hmm,

01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.340
I think he could be pulling our leg.

01:00:06.820 --> 01:00:07.740
Right, exactly.

01:00:07.740 --> 01:00:10.840
It was like an hourly lot.

01:00:11.900 --> 01:00:12.460
Oh, okay.

01:00:13.160 --> 01:00:14.560
Well, let's see.

01:00:14.600 --> 01:00:16.240
We're towards the bottom of the list here.

01:00:16.300 --> 01:00:17.780
I did loitering without luggage.

01:00:18.700 --> 01:00:20.320
Okay, here next to the last one is

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long periods studying parts of the airport,

01:00:23.700 --> 01:00:25.380
especially security areas,

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security areas.

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Now see,

01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:29.280
that one's going to nail somebody like me

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:30.020
because I all the time

01:00:30.020 --> 01:00:31.960
I'm studying everything everywhere,

01:00:32.040 --> 01:00:32.760
not just at airports.

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:33.700
But yeah,

01:00:33.740 --> 01:00:34.900
I'm the one that I like to,

01:00:34.980 --> 01:00:35.300
first of all,

01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:36.340
I like to shoulder surf anyway.

01:00:36.860 --> 01:00:37.240
So yeah,

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.680
if I see that security door at the airport

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with the little combination

01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:40.900
you punch in to get in,

01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:41.900
yeah,

01:00:41.980 --> 01:00:43.240
I'm always watching over there

01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:44.400
and see if I can find out what it is.

01:00:44.580 --> 01:00:45.980
I don't know that I'd ever be dumb enough

01:00:45.980 --> 01:00:46.680
to go try it

01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:47.660
and use it after I got it,

01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:48.960
but I just like to see if I can,

01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:50.620
see how careless people are.

01:00:51.180 --> 01:00:52.380
But any time there's a computer,

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I always stop and look at the screen,

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glance at the computer.

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I'm not stupid enough.

01:00:57.700 --> 01:00:58.960
Sometimes in airports,

01:00:59.600 --> 01:01:00.940
in airports I'm extra careful,

01:01:01.040 --> 01:01:02.180
but if I'm ever in like a,

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I don't know,

01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:03.900
a department store or anything

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and I see one,

01:01:04.700 --> 01:01:05.280
yeah,

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I might reach up

01:01:06.180 --> 01:01:07.040
and tap the space bar

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to turn off the screensaver

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to see what's under it

01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:10.240
or to see if it's locked.

01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:11.700
I might not do anything more than that,

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:12.100
but I'll check,

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:12.880
but not in an airport.

01:01:13.720 --> 01:01:14.900
Don't fuck around in the airport,

01:01:15.140 --> 01:01:15.380
people,

01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:16.180
let me tell you.

01:01:16.180 --> 01:01:17.960
No,

01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:18.960
unless you want to go to the federal

01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:19.480
pounding in the airport.

01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:19.680
Yeah,

01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:20.980
they don't play.

01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:22.160
They don't joke with that.

01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:24.360
And also,

01:01:24.560 --> 01:01:25.500
when the people are,

01:01:26.040 --> 01:01:27.000
like if I go in,

01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:28.060
I'm trying to get on standby

01:01:28.060 --> 01:01:29.100
for an earlier flight

01:01:29.100 --> 01:01:29.940
or anything like that,

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:30.640
any time the,

01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:33.900
I don't know what the name of the people,

01:01:33.980 --> 01:01:34.980
the employees back there,

01:01:35.020 --> 01:01:36.200
any time they're sitting there typing in,

01:01:36.240 --> 01:01:37.580
I want to see what system they use.

01:01:37.640 --> 01:01:38.100
What kind of,

01:01:38.380 --> 01:01:39.280
what's it powered by?

01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:39.980
Is it an AS400?

01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:41.840
Is it a Windows box for crying out loud?

01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:42.720
What are they working on?

01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:43.840
Is it some kind of mainframe?

01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:45.060
So yeah,

01:01:45.100 --> 01:01:45.940
I'm always looking over.

01:01:46.020 --> 01:01:46.960
I just want to see what they're doing

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:47.600
and how it works

01:01:47.600 --> 01:01:48.280
just because I'm interested

01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:49.080
in that sort of thing.

01:01:49.140 --> 01:01:50.460
So I'm probably a bad,

01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:52.080
they probably look at me funny

01:01:52.080 --> 01:01:53.220
because I'm always doing that.

01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:54.620
I want to know where every door goes.

01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:55.420
I like to know,

01:01:55.940 --> 01:01:56.220
you know,

01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:56.440
oh,

01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:57.760
that must lead out to the planes

01:01:57.760 --> 01:01:58.060
and oh,

01:01:58.120 --> 01:01:59.520
that must be where they go down

01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:00.280
to load this up

01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:00.500
and oh,

01:02:00.560 --> 01:02:00.720
look,

01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:01.400
that's where the pilots

01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:02.180
must go in there

01:02:02.180 --> 01:02:03.480
for break room or whatever.

01:02:03.600 --> 01:02:04.820
And I like to know what's going on

01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:06.580
just because I'm weird like that,

01:02:06.600 --> 01:02:07.020
I guess.

01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:09.120
Yeah.

01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:10.780
I mean,

01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:11.440
it's not just weird.

01:02:11.540 --> 01:02:11.620
I mean,

01:02:11.640 --> 01:02:12.640
I do the same exact thing.

01:02:12.720 --> 01:02:13.760
It's just more figuring out

01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:14.560
everything about it

01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:15.160
and finding out

01:02:15.160 --> 01:02:16.100
because a lot of people

01:02:16.100 --> 01:02:16.780
just don't pay attention

01:02:16.780 --> 01:02:17.260
to that stuff.

01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:18.220
And you might find some,

01:02:18.460 --> 01:02:18.640
you know,

01:02:18.700 --> 01:02:19.600
like a lot of the airlines

01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:22.760
offer hospitality suite type places,

01:02:22.900 --> 01:02:23.080
you know.

01:02:23.140 --> 01:02:23.480
You have to,

01:02:23.560 --> 01:02:24.620
usually you have to be a,

01:02:24.620 --> 01:02:25.760
you know,

01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:26.920
a gold,

01:02:27.100 --> 01:02:27.460
platinum,

01:02:27.720 --> 01:02:28.380
gigantor,

01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:29.300
frequent flyer,

01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:32.140
master plan member.

01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:33.560
Thank you.

01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:35.860
And to get into those things

01:02:35.860 --> 01:02:36.900
but most of the time

01:02:36.900 --> 01:02:37.540
they don't have anybody

01:02:37.540 --> 01:02:38.140
really checking.

01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:40.240
So like if you just find out

01:02:40.240 --> 01:02:40.680
where they are

01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:41.120
from watching

01:02:41.120 --> 01:02:43.040
where the other high flyers go,

01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:45.120
you might find a lot of places

01:02:45.120 --> 01:02:46.900
to hang out

01:02:46.900 --> 01:02:47.820
instead of sitting out there

01:02:47.820 --> 01:02:48.940
in those uncomfortable chairs

01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:50.960
with the never ever enough

01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:51.680
power outlets

01:02:51.680 --> 01:02:53.160
to plug in your freaking laptop.

01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:55.580
Yeah,

01:02:55.660 --> 01:02:56.440
if they have them at all.

01:02:56.660 --> 01:02:56.800
Yeah,

01:02:56.860 --> 01:02:57.600
and then if they do,

01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:58.040
I've had,

01:02:58.060 --> 01:02:58.680
I've been come over

01:02:58.680 --> 01:02:59.760
and I've had people come over

01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:00.440
and tell me I'm not allowed

01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:00.940
to use them.

01:03:01.580 --> 01:03:02.420
What the fuck?

01:03:03.340 --> 01:03:04.520
I need to power up my laptop.

01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:05.200
Blotch!

01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:10.340
You said what did they reply?

01:03:10.640 --> 01:03:11.320
I'm not the asshole.

01:03:11.520 --> 01:03:11.660
Well,

01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:12.460
I am an asshole

01:03:12.460 --> 01:03:13.120
but not always.

01:03:13.780 --> 01:03:14.660
I'm only an asshole

01:03:14.660 --> 01:03:15.400
when people are an asshole

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:15.960
to me first.

01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:16.960
That's my rule.

01:03:18.660 --> 01:03:18.860
Oh,

01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:19.240
first of all,

01:03:19.240 --> 01:03:19.920
I just wanted to find out

01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:21.140
how they replied to Piazza.

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:21.640
Oh,

01:03:21.700 --> 01:03:22.300
let's see.

01:03:23.260 --> 01:03:23.860
And actually,

01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:24.980
this last one's pretty vague.

01:03:25.060 --> 01:03:25.440
It just says,

01:03:25.540 --> 01:03:26.600
anything else that seems

01:03:26.600 --> 01:03:28.040
intuitively suspicious.

01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.040
So there's your kind of vague

01:03:30.040 --> 01:03:31.680
catch-all for the whole thing.

01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:35.340
I guess it comes back

01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:36.180
to what I was saying before

01:03:36.180 --> 01:03:36.520
about,

01:03:37.040 --> 01:03:38.180
like intuitively suspicious

01:03:38.180 --> 01:03:39.180
is if somebody's

01:03:39.180 --> 01:03:40.520
obviously holding

01:03:40.520 --> 01:03:41.760
a raincoat closed

01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:42.440
like they're covering

01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:43.000
something up,

01:03:43.060 --> 01:03:44.220
your intuition tells you

01:03:44.220 --> 01:03:45.220
there's something suspicious

01:03:45.220 --> 01:03:45.980
about that.

01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:46.680
You know,

01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:47.720
or the guy that's wearing

01:03:47.720 --> 01:03:49.020
heavy clothing

01:03:49.020 --> 01:03:50.420
in Miami Airport

01:03:50.420 --> 01:03:50.820
or something,

01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:51.480
there's just something

01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:52.540
intuitively suspicious

01:03:52.540 --> 01:03:53.200
about that.

01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:53.800
You know what I mean?

01:03:55.340 --> 01:03:55.700
Yeah,

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:56.720
that kind of thing,

01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:57.000
I guess.

01:03:58.520 --> 01:03:59.020
But yeah,

01:03:59.060 --> 01:03:59.840
that's like the global

01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:00.440
catch-all.

01:04:00.600 --> 01:04:00.680
I mean,

01:04:00.740 --> 01:04:01.300
it's not like these are,

01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:01.640
first of all,

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:02.160
these aren't hard

01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:02.860
and fast rules.

01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:04.100
These are more like training.

01:04:04.560 --> 01:04:05.620
Just watch for these things.

01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:06.360
I'm sure they're telling

01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:06.740
the people,

01:04:06.860 --> 01:04:07.440
watch for these

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:08.500
tortoise suspicious things

01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:09.680
just to at least

01:04:09.680 --> 01:04:10.280
get their attention.

01:04:10.600 --> 01:04:11.380
Like if you're like me

01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:12.860
and you're studying

01:04:12.860 --> 01:04:13.660
parts of the airport

01:04:13.660 --> 01:04:14.160
or whatever,

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.040
just keep an extra eye

01:04:16.040 --> 01:04:16.260
on me.

01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:17.960
Maybe not harass me

01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:18.840
or cavity search me

01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:19.120
or anything,

01:04:19.220 --> 01:04:19.820
just watch me.

01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:20.460
And then after a while

01:04:20.460 --> 01:04:20.880
you realize,

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:21.060
oh,

01:04:21.080 --> 01:04:21.960
he's just a geek.

01:04:22.060 --> 01:04:22.520
That's all,

01:04:22.580 --> 01:04:22.840
you know.

01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:24.700
That's all.

01:04:24.740 --> 01:04:25.460
Or if I'm sweating,

01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:26.440
it's because I just ate

01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.080
at one of those

01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:29.460
stupid little food cafes

01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:30.380
and now I'm about to

01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:31.820
shit my stomach out

01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:33.620
because of the nasty food

01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:34.480
that's been sitting there.

01:04:34.900 --> 01:04:36.100
That might be the reason

01:04:36.100 --> 01:04:36.580
I'm sweating,

01:04:36.660 --> 01:04:37.060
you think?

01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:42.400
Call me on,

01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:42.960
but I don't think

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:43.700
I can ever get hungry

01:04:43.700 --> 01:04:44.700
or ever get hungry

01:04:44.700 --> 01:04:45.260
at something called

01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:45.780
the terminal snack bar.

01:04:45.780 --> 01:04:46.740
Are you predicting the future?

01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:47.640
Is that what that is?

01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:49.800
Yeah.

01:04:50.620 --> 01:04:51.360
I don't know.

01:04:51.460 --> 01:04:51.720
Is it?

01:04:52.100 --> 01:04:52.320
No.

01:04:52.460 --> 01:04:53.800
I think it's George Carlin,

01:04:53.860 --> 01:04:54.180
actually.

01:04:54.420 --> 01:04:54.820
Oh,

01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:55.100
well.

01:04:56.040 --> 01:04:56.360
Well,

01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:57.400
that's it for the,

01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:57.840
there you go,

01:04:57.860 --> 01:04:58.360
there's your lesson.

01:04:58.480 --> 01:04:59.020
So if you want to

01:04:59.020 --> 01:05:00.380
draw suspicion to yourself,

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:01.180
I don't know why,

01:05:01.660 --> 01:05:02.480
because like I said,

01:05:02.540 --> 01:05:03.500
they don't joke around

01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:04.940
at the airports these days,

01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:05.980
but if you want to go in there,

01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:06.220
just,

01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:07.160
I guess,

01:05:07.340 --> 01:05:08.980
bounce your Adam's apple around,

01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:10.820
look back and forth

01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:11.560
with your eyes.

01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:12.840
Exactly.

01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:14.640
Sweat profusely

01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:15.420
and wear an umbrella.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:19.160
Oh,

01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:19.640
man.

01:05:20.020 --> 01:05:20.700
I'm going to have to have

01:05:20.700 --> 01:05:21.940
a little sip of sweet iced tea.

01:05:28.140 --> 01:05:29.120
Don't even get me started

01:05:29.120 --> 01:05:29.740
on what a rip off

01:05:29.740 --> 01:05:30.660
those food places are.

01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:31.780
They jack the prices up

01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:32.720
and they've been sitting there

01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:33.300
under the heat lamp

01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:33.900
for hours

01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:34.560
and the employees

01:05:34.560 --> 01:05:36.220
are so freaking rude

01:05:36.220 --> 01:05:36.900
and sick,

01:05:37.020 --> 01:05:38.660
but I digress.

01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:42.720
I wonder what

01:05:42.720 --> 01:05:43.780
the screening process is

01:05:43.780 --> 01:05:44.240
for employees

01:05:44.240 --> 01:05:44.860
that have to come in

01:05:44.860 --> 01:05:45.700
and out of work.

01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:46.720
I wonder how strictly

01:05:46.720 --> 01:05:48.320
they're policed.

01:05:53.060 --> 01:05:53.380
Oh,

01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:54.340
like everyone else,

01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:55.080
I actually saw

01:05:55.080 --> 01:05:55.760
a bunch of,

01:05:56.020 --> 01:05:57.100
but they get their own

01:05:57.100 --> 01:05:58.520
little express lane.

01:05:58.700 --> 01:05:59.120
I don't think

01:05:59.120 --> 01:05:59.940
I've ever seen that before.

01:06:00.040 --> 01:06:00.240
Actually,

01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:01.040
I think I might have

01:06:01.040 --> 01:06:01.820
seen that once before,

01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:02.440
but...

01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:06.720
Well,

01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:08.000
it was at the...

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:08.720
I'm not sure

01:06:08.720 --> 01:06:09.180
if it's different,

01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:09.800
but it was at the

01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:10.840
Providence Airport

01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:12.120
and...

01:06:12.120 --> 01:06:13.940
The Providence Airport,

01:06:14.100 --> 01:06:14.740
which is not actually

01:06:14.740 --> 01:06:15.360
in Providence,

01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:16.140
but we won't get into that.

01:06:18.700 --> 01:06:19.020
Yeah,

01:06:19.100 --> 01:06:19.640
and there was like...

01:06:19.640 --> 01:06:20.140
It was...

01:06:20.140 --> 01:06:21.300
We got there early enough

01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:21.960
before the...

01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:23.180
Because it closes at midnight

01:06:23.180 --> 01:06:24.120
and opens at six

01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:25.380
for flight operations,

01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:26.960
and I saw like a bunch

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.260
of workers go through

01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:29.580
like special...

01:06:29.580 --> 01:06:31.080
I think federal regulations

01:06:31.080 --> 01:06:31.840
require that they're

01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:32.340
screened also,

01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:33.360
but I've seen a lot

01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:33.740
of airports.

01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:34.820
I have seen that before.

01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:35.340
I can't remember

01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:35.800
which airport,

01:06:36.460 --> 01:06:37.220
but I think they've

01:06:37.220 --> 01:06:37.680
probably got like

01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:38.540
a back entrance too.

01:06:38.620 --> 01:06:39.680
They probably are screened,

01:06:39.720 --> 01:06:41.020
but it's not in public view,

01:06:41.080 --> 01:06:41.540
that's all.

01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:43.360
Because there's so many

01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:44.460
of them that the airports

01:06:44.460 --> 01:06:45.340
are so confusing,

01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:45.840
there's no way

01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.340
they're coming in

01:06:46.340 --> 01:06:47.040
the public entrance

01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:48.020
that everybody else is

01:06:48.020 --> 01:06:48.620
and walking through

01:06:48.620 --> 01:06:49.740
the same screening

01:06:49.740 --> 01:06:50.600
that everybody else is,

01:06:50.600 --> 01:06:51.760
even if they have to

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:52.500
with the FastLand,

01:06:52.580 --> 01:06:53.440
but I think there's

01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.780
a way they can park

01:06:55.780 --> 01:06:56.500
and employee parking

01:06:56.500 --> 01:06:57.300
come in a back way

01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:57.940
where they're scanned

01:06:57.940 --> 01:06:58.780
and checked that way.

01:07:00.380 --> 01:07:00.980
And I wonder

01:07:00.980 --> 01:07:01.640
if they half-assed

01:07:01.640 --> 01:07:02.160
those searches

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:02.960
because they all think

01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:03.700
they trust each other

01:07:03.700 --> 01:07:04.280
and know each other.

01:07:04.460 --> 01:07:05.280
I wouldn't be surprised.

01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:05.880
Because, you know,

01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:08.760
anybody in the security industry

01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:09.300
will tell you

01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:09.960
that the majority

01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:11.060
of your hacks

01:07:11.060 --> 01:07:11.720
or break-ins

01:07:11.720 --> 01:07:12.240
or thefts

01:07:12.240 --> 01:07:12.580
or whatever,

01:07:12.680 --> 01:07:13.200
the people want to say

01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:13.920
their company was hacked,

01:07:13.980 --> 01:07:14.660
the majority of them

01:07:14.660 --> 01:07:15.580
come from insiders.

01:07:16.520 --> 01:07:17.420
I'm just saying.

01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:22.720
Yeah, wouldn't they sure?

01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:24.700
Yeah, that would be...

01:07:24.700 --> 01:07:25.620
Never seen...

01:07:25.620 --> 01:07:26.520
Has that ever happened

01:07:26.520 --> 01:07:27.060
historically?

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:29.660
And post offices,

01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:30.120
of course,

01:07:30.180 --> 01:07:30.900
are famous for it,

01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:31.160
but I wonder

01:07:31.160 --> 01:07:32.060
if there's ever been a...

01:07:32.060 --> 01:07:32.520
No, because they've

01:07:32.520 --> 01:07:33.400
always been pretty...

01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:33.940
I have no idea.

01:07:34.380 --> 01:07:35.060
I don't know.

01:07:35.520 --> 01:07:36.440
Anyway, let's get back

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:37.460
on a security topic.

01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:38.380
You want to go

01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:39.180
to another article?

01:07:41.100 --> 01:07:41.940
Are we okay?

01:07:42.060 --> 01:07:43.000
Are we okay on time?

01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:45.900
Yeah, sure.

01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:46.160
What do you want to...

01:07:46.160 --> 01:07:46.740
Oh, crap,

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:47.140
there's no way

01:07:47.140 --> 01:07:47.700
we're going to get through...

01:07:47.700 --> 01:07:48.200
Are you serious?

01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:49.200
Only ten minutes left?

01:07:49.200 --> 01:07:49.680
We've only got about

01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:51.060
another ten minutes left.

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:52.440
Oh, my gosh.

01:07:52.520 --> 01:07:53.260
Well, then you tell me.

01:07:53.300 --> 01:07:53.560
Where do you want

01:07:53.560 --> 01:07:54.060
to go from here?

01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:55.980
Yeah, we've been

01:07:55.980 --> 01:07:56.640
gas-bagging around

01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:57.120
for a while.

01:07:58.020 --> 01:07:58.380
Encryption.

01:08:00.120 --> 01:08:00.940
How about we talk

01:08:00.940 --> 01:08:01.860
about encryption?

01:08:02.380 --> 01:08:03.060
Sure, we can do

01:08:03.060 --> 01:08:03.720
that one, I think.

01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:04.120
And actually,

01:08:04.200 --> 01:08:04.640
why don't you get

01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:05.540
started on that one?

01:08:05.560 --> 01:08:07.860
Let me see here.

01:08:08.820 --> 01:08:09.540
Oh, yes.

01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:11.860
Yeah, actually, yeah.

01:08:11.940 --> 01:08:13.220
Okay, this one was...

01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:14.320
Yeah, this is an article

01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:14.340
found.

01:08:14.340 --> 01:08:15.240
Well, that's only from CSO

01:08:15.240 --> 01:08:15.940
because I can't read that one.

01:08:15.940 --> 01:08:16.800
The first one was from CSO

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:17.360
also, wasn't it?

01:08:17.380 --> 01:08:18.140
This is the chief

01:08:18.140 --> 01:08:19.080
security officer.

01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:23.640
It's, I do not...

01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:24.520
It's one of those

01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:25.120
trade magazines.

01:08:25.320 --> 01:08:26.440
It's free for qualified

01:08:26.440 --> 01:08:29.200
individuals, but I'm not

01:08:29.200 --> 01:08:30.460
sure how strict they are

01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:31.280
and who they give it out

01:08:31.280 --> 01:08:31.480
to.

01:08:31.980 --> 01:08:33.240
So, I mean, a lot of

01:08:33.240 --> 01:08:34.980
these...

01:08:34.980 --> 01:08:35.780
DDP.

01:08:35.780 --> 01:08:39.820
Well, I'm Mr. Ratchet

01:08:39.820 --> 01:08:41.020
of the...

01:08:41.020 --> 01:08:42.860
Yeah, C-S-O, online,

01:08:43.180 --> 01:08:46.420
all one word, C-S-O-N-L-I-N-E.com.

01:08:46.480 --> 01:08:47.180
I'm sure there's a thing

01:08:47.180 --> 01:08:48.320
you can fill out and say

01:08:48.320 --> 01:08:49.340
you want to subscribe to it.

01:08:50.440 --> 01:08:51.420
All of these trade

01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:53.460
magazines are, for me,

01:08:53.540 --> 01:08:54.180
they're skims.

01:08:54.420 --> 01:08:55.580
I skim through it and the

01:08:55.580 --> 01:08:56.700
articles that strike my

01:08:56.700 --> 01:08:58.080
interest I will read more

01:08:58.080 --> 01:08:58.460
thoroughly.

01:08:59.000 --> 01:08:59.620
And then the ones that

01:08:59.620 --> 01:09:00.800
really I find interesting

01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:01.720
are the ones like these

01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:03.300
that I pull out to talk

01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:04.460
about on the show or to

01:09:04.460 --> 01:09:05.580
bring up in the forums or

01:09:05.580 --> 01:09:05.880
whatever.

01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:08.460
So, it's very hit and

01:09:08.460 --> 01:09:08.760
miss.

01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:10.000
But, yeah, there's been a

01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:10.560
couple good ones.

01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:11.540
This one is from November

01:09:11.540 --> 01:09:12.260
2006.

01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:13.280
It's called How to

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:15.760
Protect Mobile Data.

01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:18.080
And it's basically a

01:09:18.080 --> 01:09:18.380
discussion.

01:09:18.580 --> 01:09:19.620
And keep in mind, CSO

01:09:19.620 --> 01:09:21.740
online is aimed or CSO

01:09:21.740 --> 01:09:23.040
magazine is aimed for

01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:24.100
chief security officers.

01:09:24.320 --> 01:09:26.180
So, kind of, as much as

01:09:26.180 --> 01:09:27.280
I hate to admit it, people

01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:28.440
that are considered higher

01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:30.280
ups and management level

01:09:30.280 --> 01:09:31.900
executive type stuff.

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:33.280
It's not nuts and bolts

01:09:33.280 --> 01:09:34.500
very much.

01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:37.520
It's kind of that, what

01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:38.140
do they call it when you

01:09:38.140 --> 01:09:40.320
write the introduction to

01:09:40.320 --> 01:09:41.120
your whole thing that's

01:09:41.120 --> 01:09:43.060
dumbed down for, yeah, the

01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:43.980
executive summary that's

01:09:43.980 --> 01:09:44.880
dumbed down for management.

01:09:45.020 --> 01:09:46.380
It's kind of that mindset.

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:47.320
They don't want to know all

01:09:47.320 --> 01:09:48.420
the nuts and bolts a lot of

01:09:48.420 --> 01:09:48.540
the time.

01:09:48.540 --> 01:09:49.260
The executive summary.

01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:51.000
This one, however, had a few

01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:51.580
things in it.

01:09:51.620 --> 01:09:53.900
But the general gist of the

01:09:53.900 --> 01:09:55.160
article is about protecting

01:09:55.160 --> 01:09:55.900
mobile data.

01:09:56.080 --> 01:09:57.040
And I'm sure all of our

01:09:57.040 --> 01:09:59.060
listeners can have lots of

01:09:59.060 --> 01:09:59.460
stories.

01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:00.200
And we're not going to go

01:10:00.200 --> 01:10:01.140
into listing a bunch of

01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:01.220
them.

01:10:01.400 --> 01:10:03.980
But stories where laptops

01:10:03.980 --> 01:10:05.820
were sold on eBay that still

01:10:05.820 --> 01:10:07.100
had sensitive data on them,

01:10:07.200 --> 01:10:09.080
either not erased at all or

01:10:09.080 --> 01:10:10.680
that were easily recovered,

01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:11.620
though hard drives weren't

01:10:11.620 --> 01:10:13.040
wiped properly, the data

01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:14.820
wasn't encrypted or anything

01:10:14.820 --> 01:10:15.360
like that.

01:10:15.360 --> 01:10:16.640
So there's lots of stories

01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:18.240
of people's laptops get

01:10:18.240 --> 01:10:19.600
stolen in airports quite a

01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:20.840
bit, or anywhere for that

01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:21.060
matter.

01:10:21.180 --> 01:10:23.200
If you lose your laptop, it

01:10:23.200 --> 01:10:23.740
gets stolen.

01:10:24.040 --> 01:10:26.040
If you don't properly wipe

01:10:26.040 --> 01:10:27.000
it before you sell it on

01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:27.960
eBay, that sort of thing.

01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.100
So this article kind of

01:10:31.100 --> 01:10:32.600
discusses that from a

01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:33.660
security officer standpoint,

01:10:33.900 --> 01:10:35.080
but it just had a few facts

01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:35.580
in here.

01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.000
And since we are running

01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:39.760
long time, I'm just going

01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:40.640
to kind of skip because

01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:41.560
there's a couple parts that

01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:42.240
I highlighted, and I'm

01:10:42.240 --> 01:10:42.980
just going to kind of read

01:10:42.980 --> 01:10:43.260
them.

01:10:43.980 --> 01:10:45.200
And I actually like to hear

01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:46.060
what you have to say on

01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:46.520
some of them.

01:10:47.660 --> 01:10:48.860
For example, let's see,

01:10:48.900 --> 01:10:50.740
this first part is talking

01:10:50.740 --> 01:10:52.500
about full disk encryption,

01:10:52.660 --> 01:10:53.380
which I think has been a

01:10:53.380 --> 01:10:54.420
topic for in the forums

01:10:54.420 --> 01:10:54.740
lately.

01:10:55.120 --> 01:10:56.280
Full disk encryption or

01:10:56.280 --> 01:10:57.620
file-based encryption.

01:10:58.220 --> 01:10:59.360
And the article points out

01:10:59.360 --> 01:11:01.080
that Windows XP comes with

01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:02.520
file-based encryption built

01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.640
in, as do Linux and Mac OSX.

01:11:05.200 --> 01:11:06.540
It's tempting to use that

01:11:06.540 --> 01:11:07.900
quote, free technology.

01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:10.300
Anything stored in specific

01:11:10.300 --> 01:11:12.120
PC folders, like my

01:11:12.120 --> 01:11:13.340
documents, is encrypted

01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:14.140
automatically.

01:11:14.140 --> 01:11:15.700
But this approach has

01:11:15.700 --> 01:11:17.220
significant, has a

01:11:17.220 --> 01:11:18.680
significant security flaw.

01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:20.720
It relies on users putting

01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:22.180
files in encrypted folders,

01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:22.920
which is absolutely

01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:23.440
correct.

01:11:23.940 --> 01:11:25.060
If you don't put it in my

01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:25.980
documents, and I've got to

01:11:25.980 --> 01:11:27.040
admit, I'm bad, at least

01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:28.460
not on my laptop and on my

01:11:28.460 --> 01:11:29.600
home computer, I just

01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:30.360
download everything to the

01:11:30.360 --> 01:11:30.640
desktop.

01:11:32.060 --> 01:11:33.300
And then move it later,

01:11:33.340 --> 01:11:34.060
because a lot of the stuff

01:11:34.060 --> 01:11:34.840
is just temporary.

01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:36.200
I open it, I unzip it, and

01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:37.040
then I delete it anyway.

01:11:37.260 --> 01:11:38.700
But for documents or

01:11:38.700 --> 01:11:39.580
something, from a security

01:11:39.580 --> 01:11:40.720
standpoint, from a business

01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:41.980
standpoint, yeah, you want

01:11:41.980 --> 01:11:42.580
one of them encrypted.

01:11:43.320 --> 01:11:44.620
But how do you enforce that?

01:11:44.740 --> 01:11:46.100
And again, think from a

01:11:46.100 --> 01:11:47.680
security officer standpoint.

01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.180
If you're trying to make

01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:50.160
your company more secure,

01:11:50.780 --> 01:11:51.200
how are you going to

01:11:51.200 --> 01:11:52.600
enforce a policy like that

01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.420
where it's up to the

01:11:54.420 --> 01:11:55.540
individual people to

01:11:55.540 --> 01:11:56.680
actually follow up on it and

01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:57.940
put it into those proper

01:11:57.940 --> 01:11:58.700
encrypted folders?

01:11:58.700 --> 01:12:09.280
And yeah, and how are you

01:12:09.280 --> 01:12:10.120
actually going to make sure

01:12:10.120 --> 01:12:10.940
that they're opening up on

01:12:10.940 --> 01:12:12.160
those folders because they're

01:12:12.160 --> 01:12:13.620
on laptops, and those

01:12:13.620 --> 01:12:14.660
laptops are stuck in some

01:12:14.660 --> 01:12:15.760
executive's home someplace.

01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:27.780
Well, and then it goes on to

01:12:27.780 --> 01:12:30.080
say the other option is full

01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:32.400
disk encryption, which protects

01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:33.980
everything on the hard drive.

01:12:34.300 --> 01:12:35.700
With this approach, there's no

01:12:35.700 --> 01:12:37.520
uncertainty as to what data is

01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:38.480
actually encrypted.

01:12:38.900 --> 01:12:40.940
It takes human judgment out of

01:12:40.940 --> 01:12:42.940
the equation, so I can tell the

01:12:42.940 --> 01:12:45.060
regulators that the entire disk is

01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:46.980
encrypted says blah, blah,

01:12:47.140 --> 01:12:48.360
director of security, blah, blah.

01:12:48.460 --> 01:12:49.540
I'm not going to drop any names

01:12:49.540 --> 01:12:50.320
because they might not want to

01:12:50.320 --> 01:12:51.260
be associated with a hacking

01:12:51.260 --> 01:12:51.540
show.

01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.060
Yeah, now they go on and say,

01:12:57.160 --> 01:12:58.060
you know, there's of course

01:12:58.060 --> 01:12:59.160
drawbacks to all these

01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:00.840
different things, and this one

01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:02.340
that they point out, the fear,

01:13:02.400 --> 01:13:04.020
and I'm quoting here, the fear

01:13:04.020 --> 01:13:06.460
widespread amongst users is that

01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:08.360
full disk encryption will slow

01:13:08.360 --> 01:13:09.720
laptop performance.

01:13:10.240 --> 01:13:11.540
That's a valid concern, I guess.

01:13:11.660 --> 01:13:13.680
Fortunately, laptops built in the

01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:14.920
past three years or so,

01:13:15.060 --> 01:13:16.740
have the horsepower to run full

01:13:16.740 --> 01:13:18.960
disk encryption, so, quote, the

01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.900
performance hit is non-existent from

01:13:20.900 --> 01:13:23.780
the user's perspective, says blank.

01:13:23.780 --> 01:13:25.760
The performance hit would be not

01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.740
on my list at all.

01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.180
My main concern, as both a user and

01:13:29.180 --> 01:13:31.540
as a person who would be probably

01:13:31.540 --> 01:13:32.900
the first one they would run to if

01:13:32.900 --> 01:13:34.700
something bad happened, is, you

01:13:34.700 --> 01:13:37.400
know, say Johnny or Susie user

01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:39.200
accidentally deletes their

01:13:39.200 --> 01:13:39.740
encryption key.

01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:41.540
Whoops.

01:13:41.540 --> 01:13:50.940
Yeah, well, and that's where, like,

01:13:50.980 --> 01:13:52.560
single sign-on comes into play a lot.

01:13:53.400 --> 01:13:55.400
And boy, this topic we could really

01:13:55.400 --> 01:13:59.340
go into a lot more, but I guess we

01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.520
have, for the sake of time, we'll

01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:02.020
stick just to the article side of

01:14:02.020 --> 01:14:02.640
things, I guess.

01:14:03.380 --> 01:14:05.680
But yeah, and this person, again, in

01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.760
the article points out that, yes, a

01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:09.180
slowdown is noticeable, but just

01:14:09.180 --> 01:14:11.080
slightly, or it's most noticeable as

01:14:11.080 --> 01:14:12.300
it system boot up and when the

01:14:12.300 --> 01:14:14.120
laptop hibernates, which, of course,

01:14:14.180 --> 01:14:14.940
makes sense.

01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:17.980
Now, a couple other, and here's some

01:14:17.980 --> 01:14:18.720
interesting things.

01:14:18.820 --> 01:14:21.660
I think they're not, most people

01:14:21.660 --> 01:14:23.100
might think about these if you sat

01:14:23.100 --> 01:14:24.100
down and thought about it, but I

01:14:24.100 --> 01:14:24.780
found them interesting.

01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:27.340
He talked about how, yes, even with

01:14:27.340 --> 01:14:31.140
all this said and done, that, and I'll

01:14:31.140 --> 01:14:33.060
read the quote here, in all cases,

01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:36.620
data is decrypted when moved to CD

01:14:36.620 --> 01:14:38.800
and DVD media, since the usual goal

01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.320
of copying data to external devices is

01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:42.820
to make it available to systems that

01:14:42.820 --> 01:14:44.120
may not have the same encryption

01:14:44.120 --> 01:14:46.280
tools, which is definitely interesting

01:14:46.280 --> 01:14:46.920
to think about.

01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:47.900
You know, you can have all that

01:14:47.900 --> 01:14:49.020
encryption on your hard drive and

01:14:49.020 --> 01:14:50.840
everything, but if you ever email

01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.040
something to somebody or copy it to

01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:57.120
a USB drive that's not encrypted or

01:14:57.120 --> 01:14:59.680
burn it to a CD or DVD, the whole

01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:01.700
point, like he says, is that that's

01:15:01.700 --> 01:15:03.500
to make it shareable, well, you've

01:15:03.500 --> 01:15:04.880
got to be careful what you put on

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:07.640
those and maintain them as securely

01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:08.640
as you would maintain your hard

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:08.780
drive.

01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:10.220
You can have all the system security

01:15:10.220 --> 01:15:11.880
on the hard drive itself, but if

01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:12.840
you're going to burn a copy and

01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:14.280
forget it on the table at the

01:15:14.280 --> 01:15:17.320
airport lobby, you kind of shot

01:15:17.320 --> 01:15:18.340
yourself in the ass there.

01:15:21.260 --> 01:15:22.180
That's true.

01:15:23.280 --> 01:15:24.660
Or whatever your encryption of

01:15:24.660 --> 01:15:26.120
choice, encryption is good in any

01:15:26.120 --> 01:15:26.440
form.

01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.280
So, and yeah, thumb drives is

01:15:30.280 --> 01:15:31.380
something they mentioned, too, which

01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:33.000
is another topic of, you know,

01:15:33.060 --> 01:15:34.240
people getting data out of

01:15:34.240 --> 01:15:34.680
companies.

01:15:35.200 --> 01:15:36.720
Some vendors offer encrypted

01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:37.620
thumb drives.

01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:39.020
The encryption works only with

01:15:39.020 --> 01:15:39.940
their hardware.

01:15:41.060 --> 01:15:43.300
So, that's another interesting

01:15:43.300 --> 01:15:45.480
thing, and they also go and talk

01:15:45.480 --> 01:15:47.420
about the BlackBerry, which comes

01:15:47.420 --> 01:15:50.120
with sufficiently strong full disk

01:15:50.120 --> 01:15:51.380
encryption, which I did not know

01:15:51.380 --> 01:15:53.120
that, as well as email encryption,

01:15:53.260 --> 01:15:54.880
not to mention remote management

01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.360
features such as the ability for

01:15:56.360 --> 01:15:58.120
IT to wipe out the contents of a

01:15:58.120 --> 01:15:59.820
stolen or lost device.

01:16:01.980 --> 01:16:02.580
That's cool.

01:16:02.740 --> 01:16:03.140
Yeah, I know.

01:16:03.220 --> 01:16:05.100
I've got to say, that is pretty

01:16:05.100 --> 01:16:05.860
cool right there.

01:16:07.200 --> 01:16:08.800
So, those are like the things that I

01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:09.880
highlighted from the article.

01:16:10.120 --> 01:16:11.520
So, I mean, we can kind of expand on a

01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:12.920
little bit in general now, but those

01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:14.860
are the things that I underlined as

01:16:14.860 --> 01:16:15.860
interesting points.

01:16:15.860 --> 01:16:16.400
Oh, yeah, totally.

01:16:17.320 --> 01:16:19.020
Speaking of BlackBerry, I said my

01:16:19.020 --> 01:16:22.020
thought to BlackBerry to do the

01:16:22.020 --> 01:16:24.700
whole lock the person out if she

01:16:24.700 --> 01:16:25.760
can't enter her password three

01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:27.320
times, because, hey, that's what

01:16:27.320 --> 01:16:28.480
she wanted, so I'm not going to

01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:29.900
disagree with her, but I'm waiting

01:16:29.900 --> 01:16:30.820
for her to come out and say, I

01:16:30.820 --> 01:16:32.000
locked myself out of my BlackBerry,

01:16:32.080 --> 01:16:32.880
I forgot my password.

01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:35.700
Which part, I'm going to say,

01:16:35.740 --> 01:16:36.580
call the help desk, not my

01:16:36.580 --> 01:16:36.840
problem.

01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:39.760
Right.

01:16:42.260 --> 01:16:43.780
No, no, she's okay, but just

01:16:43.780 --> 01:16:45.360
like I told her, don't forget your

01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:45.600
password.

01:16:45.600 --> 01:16:46.780
Call someone who cares, look.

01:16:46.820 --> 01:16:48.020
Back my head's going, this is the

01:16:48.020 --> 01:16:48.940
person who can't remember her

01:16:48.940 --> 01:16:50.240
password a couple of times after

01:16:50.240 --> 01:16:51.320
she comes back from vacation.

01:16:55.740 --> 01:16:57.860
Well, right.

01:16:58.860 --> 01:16:59.720
Funny you mention that.

01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:00.740
That's one of the articles I

01:17:00.740 --> 01:17:01.800
actually wanted to work on.

01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:03.580
I wanted to type up for.

01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:04.460
Actually, I was going to submit it

01:17:04.460 --> 01:17:05.700
maybe to CSO Magazine or

01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:07.120
something, but I digress.

01:17:07.740 --> 01:17:09.160
But, yeah, I mean, again, the

01:17:09.160 --> 01:17:10.100
overall point is, first of all,

01:17:10.120 --> 01:17:13.800
there's been an ongoing concern

01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:15.180
lately of all these devices.

01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.600
Particularly USB keys.

01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:18.860
And there's been several stories

01:17:18.860 --> 01:17:20.800
of security companies, like I

01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:22.000
love the one where they went

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.360
out to a big company and dropped

01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:25.780
USB keys in a parking lot that

01:17:25.780 --> 01:17:27.400
had viruses or backdoor stuff on

01:17:27.400 --> 01:17:27.540
them.

01:17:28.420 --> 01:17:29.260
That's great.

01:17:29.340 --> 01:17:30.140
I love that.

01:17:30.240 --> 01:17:31.360
I thought that was brilliant.

01:17:32.080 --> 01:17:34.720
But it just shows, you know, that

01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.340
you can go in there and on a USB

01:17:36.340 --> 01:17:37.560
key you can, A, do a lot of

01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:38.840
offensive attacking damage,

01:17:39.040 --> 01:17:41.680
passive sniffing damage, or, you

01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:43.240
know, just somebody with ill

01:17:43.240 --> 01:17:45.100
intent, you know, so one of your

01:17:45.100 --> 01:17:46.940
disgruntled employees can come in

01:17:46.940 --> 01:17:47.860
and copy up.

01:17:48.060 --> 01:17:48.840
You're going to have the hard

01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:49.980
drives encrypted, the server

01:17:49.980 --> 01:17:51.420
encrypted, everything backed up

01:17:51.420 --> 01:17:53.580
on an encrypted SAN device.

01:17:54.180 --> 01:17:55.480
But if he puts it in the USB key,

01:17:55.580 --> 01:17:56.760
copies it over and takes it home

01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:57.560
with him and puts it on the

01:17:57.560 --> 01:17:59.780
global interweb, what good is all

01:17:59.780 --> 01:18:00.880
that security and all that money

01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:01.580
you've got on there.

01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:03.300
So a lot of companies, that is a

01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:03.960
valid concern.

01:18:05.400 --> 01:18:05.960
That's right.

01:18:06.140 --> 01:18:06.260
What?

01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:06.540
What?

01:18:07.200 --> 01:18:07.900
In your armor.

01:18:11.280 --> 01:18:12.640
There's lots of different ways to

01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:12.900
do it.

01:18:13.080 --> 01:18:13.420
Yeah, I know.

01:18:14.060 --> 01:18:16.780
Yeah, it was, I was thinking of

01:18:16.780 --> 01:18:17.880
the missing link, but that kind of

01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:19.360
goes caveman style, I guess.

01:18:19.420 --> 01:18:21.320
The missing link, Java man,

01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:22.560
Neanderthal man.

01:18:22.620 --> 01:18:23.580
There's a great thing on Discovery

01:18:23.580 --> 01:18:24.480
Channel this month, by the way,

01:18:24.500 --> 01:18:25.360
about that exact topic.

01:18:25.440 --> 01:18:26.640
But I digress once again.

01:18:29.380 --> 01:18:30.320
All right, well, I think that's

01:18:30.320 --> 01:18:30.620
about it.

01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.540
Yeah, I was just saying that not

01:18:32.540 --> 01:18:33.820
only USB keys, that's the big

01:18:33.820 --> 01:18:35.360
thing that stemmed interest in this

01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:37.940
lately, but, you know, burning

01:18:37.940 --> 01:18:39.520
CDs is so easy now.

01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:41.060
Employees, most computers are

01:18:41.060 --> 01:18:42.280
coming with CD burners, DVD

01:18:42.280 --> 01:18:42.760
burners.

01:18:43.360 --> 01:18:44.460
A lot of companies are starting

01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:45.620
to buy them without that.

01:18:46.140 --> 01:18:47.120
Yeah, a lot of companies are

01:18:47.120 --> 01:18:48.040
worried about it, that they're

01:18:48.040 --> 01:18:50.340
buying systems now that do not

01:18:50.340 --> 01:18:51.960
have CD and DVD burners.

01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:54.000
And there's a comeback on regular

01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.020
CD-ROM drives, because not a

01:18:57.020 --> 01:18:58.180
lot, but a few of them that are

01:18:58.180 --> 01:18:59.880
really, really security conscious

01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:02.140
are starting to crack down a

01:19:02.140 --> 01:19:02.400
little bit.

01:19:03.620 --> 01:19:05.340
Oh, iPods are the great

01:19:05.340 --> 01:19:06.800
secret white railings.

01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:07.380
And iPods, of course.

01:19:07.580 --> 01:19:08.900
They're all ready to go, oh,

01:19:09.180 --> 01:19:10.140
iPods are horrible.

01:19:11.260 --> 01:19:11.900
And places.

01:19:14.020 --> 01:19:14.380
Okay.

01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:15.960
You know, I do have one iPod

01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:17.420
topic before we close out here.

01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:18.760
It's 30 seconds.

01:19:19.220 --> 01:19:20.100
It's called i...

01:19:20.100 --> 01:19:21.920
And I know I hate iPods, and I

01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:23.040
hate even sharing this, but it

01:19:23.040 --> 01:19:23.620
is kind of cool.

01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:26.760
It's called iSubway Maps, and

01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.080
it's basically subway maps that

01:19:28.080 --> 01:19:29.260
you can download for different

01:19:29.260 --> 01:19:29.560
cities.

01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:32.480
It's at iPodSubwayMaps.com, all

01:19:32.480 --> 01:19:33.320
one word.

01:19:33.320 --> 01:19:35.060
iPod offers free downloadable

01:19:35.060 --> 01:19:36.620
transit maps for 23 U.S. and

01:19:36.620 --> 01:19:37.560
international cities for

01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:38.960
viewing on your photo-enabled

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:40.020
iPod.

01:19:40.940 --> 01:19:42.220
In most cases, chopped it a

01:19:42.220 --> 01:19:42.540
smaller.

01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:43.420
Oh, really?

01:19:43.500 --> 01:19:43.780
Is it?

01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:44.780
No, I actually have another

01:19:44.780 --> 01:19:45.180
side of the week.

01:19:45.200 --> 01:19:45.960
I have a different side of the

01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:46.120
week.

01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:47.100
Are we at side of the week

01:19:47.100 --> 01:19:47.340
time?

01:19:47.580 --> 01:19:47.820
Yeah.

01:19:49.100 --> 01:19:50.020
Yeah, because I think this

01:19:50.020 --> 01:19:51.060
side of the week is really

01:19:51.060 --> 01:19:52.940
uber cool, because this is

01:19:52.940 --> 01:19:53.320
something...

01:19:53.320 --> 01:19:54.660
See, Nathiri and I have had

01:19:54.660 --> 01:19:56.540
this thing we've wanted to do

01:19:56.540 --> 01:19:57.500
for the last couple of years

01:19:57.500 --> 01:19:57.680
now.

01:19:57.740 --> 01:19:59.660
We wanted to go to...

01:19:59.660 --> 01:20:00.260
I don't know if you...

01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:01.060
You probably remember the

01:20:01.060 --> 01:20:01.380
significance.

01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:01.900
I don't know if our

01:20:01.900 --> 01:20:02.840
listeners remember the

01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:04.020
significance of Mink,

01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:04.840
Louisiana.

01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:05.520
I don't know, really.

01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:07.160
Does that ring a bell?

01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.840
It was the last city in the

01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:12.220
United States to finally have

01:20:12.220 --> 01:20:15.560
fiber cable pulled into it.

01:20:16.860 --> 01:20:18.280
So it's this little, small,

01:20:18.400 --> 01:20:20.340
backwater town in Louisiana,

01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:22.420
and we always thought how cool

01:20:22.420 --> 01:20:23.200
and how funny it would be.

01:20:23.200 --> 01:20:24.420
We wanted to go, like, set up

01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:27.600
a hacker commune or something,

01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:28.640
or we wanted to go down there

01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:29.960
and just, like, a population,

01:20:30.120 --> 01:20:31.360
I think, of maybe 14 or

01:20:31.360 --> 01:20:32.280
something like that, or some

01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:33.420
bizarre small number.

01:20:33.980 --> 01:20:34.920
We wanted to go down there

01:20:34.920 --> 01:20:36.120
and basically just buy it.

01:20:36.740 --> 01:20:38.120
Like, we're going to buy all

01:20:38.120 --> 01:20:38.760
of your houses.

01:20:39.620 --> 01:20:41.540
We're going to set up our own

01:20:41.540 --> 01:20:42.860
city hall, our own police,

01:20:42.980 --> 01:20:43.440
our own government.

01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:44.320
We're going to buy it, and

01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:45.420
this is going to be hacker town

01:20:45.420 --> 01:20:46.400
or something like that.

01:20:47.200 --> 01:20:48.060
I don't know if he wants me

01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:49.220
sharing this idea on the air,

01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:50.140
but I just did anyway.

01:20:50.740 --> 01:20:52.620
Well, this side of the week is

01:20:52.620 --> 01:20:53.220
kind of like that.

01:20:53.260 --> 01:20:54.100
I mean, it's a pipe dream.

01:20:54.240 --> 01:20:54.880
I mean, what are you ever

01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:55.720
actually going to be able

01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:56.380
to go through with that?

01:20:56.840 --> 01:20:58.160
And think of the scrutiny

01:20:58.160 --> 01:20:59.160
we would get if we did.

01:21:00.120 --> 01:21:01.180
Well, this is kind of like it.

01:21:01.220 --> 01:21:02.480
This is an article from,

01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:03.220
I think this was from

01:21:03.220 --> 01:21:04.660
Wired Magazine this month,

01:21:04.700 --> 01:21:06.420
I think, or maybe it was

01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:06.840
last month.

01:21:07.220 --> 01:21:08.780
It's called Webocracy Island,

01:21:09.860 --> 01:21:12.400
and this side of the week,

01:21:12.400 --> 01:21:14.540
it is Tribe Wanted,

01:21:14.620 --> 01:21:18.280
T-R-I-B-E-W-A-N-T-E-D.com,

01:21:18.340 --> 01:21:19.560
all one word, Tribe Wanted.

01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:21.780
You pay $230 a year,

01:21:21.780 --> 01:21:22.380
where you get membership

01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:23.420
in a global tribe

01:21:23.420 --> 01:21:24.760
located on the undeveloped

01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:26.060
island of Voro Voro,

01:21:26.500 --> 01:21:28.680
just a short connecting flight,

01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:29.760
jeep, pride, and boat

01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.140
from Fiji's Nadi International Airport.

01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:34.220
And basically what you're doing

01:21:34.220 --> 01:21:35.660
is becoming not exactly a citizen,

01:21:36.160 --> 01:21:37.140
kind of, sort of,

01:21:37.160 --> 01:21:38.140
a citizen of this virtual,

01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:39.740
real, non-real,

01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:40.700
but unreal place.

01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:41.600
I don't know how to describe it.

01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:42.580
I guess go to the website

01:21:42.580 --> 01:21:43.960
and check it out,

01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:45.260
because it's kind of a cool thing

01:21:45.260 --> 01:21:46.780
where you actually get voting rights

01:21:46.780 --> 01:21:48.400
and determine what they do

01:21:48.400 --> 01:21:50.400
with the money that they've got

01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:51.200
and how it gets spent

01:21:51.200 --> 01:21:51.960
and things like that,

01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:53.960
which is kind of a cool thing.

01:21:56.480 --> 01:21:56.800
Yeah!

01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:01.060
So that's our side of the week.

01:22:01.700 --> 01:22:02.560
If I dump the gun,

01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:03.980
was it side of the week time?

01:22:04.040 --> 01:22:05.000
Yeah, we're doing side of the week.

01:22:05.040 --> 01:22:05.420
No, I don't know.

01:22:05.420 --> 01:22:06.120
Do we have any announcements?

01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:10.680
Other than the little

01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:12.000
me whining and bitching

01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:12.620
about the server

01:22:12.620 --> 01:22:13.820
and housekeeping at the beginning,

01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:14.780
I think that's about it.

01:22:14.780 --> 01:22:15.820
Oh, we should think

01:22:15.820 --> 01:22:16.500
we're just going to learn

01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:17.060
the JennyScan,

01:22:17.180 --> 01:22:18.200
so go contact him.

01:22:20.380 --> 01:22:21.000
Oh, yeah,

01:22:21.080 --> 01:22:21.600
we didn't announce

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:22.880
the JennyScan is done.

01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:23.680
Yeah, that's awesome.

01:22:23.900 --> 01:22:24.360
We actually...

01:22:24.360 --> 01:22:24.820
Oh, okay.

01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:25.600
Yeah, it is done.

01:22:25.900 --> 01:22:28.060
He and I did it on,

01:22:28.240 --> 01:22:29.720
let's see, Monday.

01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:32.920
Actually, he finished it Sunday night,

01:22:33.580 --> 01:22:34.520
sent it to me,

01:22:34.700 --> 01:22:36.060
and I kind of glanced through it.

01:22:36.120 --> 01:22:37.820
We both put it up on DocDroppers.

01:22:38.280 --> 01:22:39.780
It is officially on DocDroppers,

01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:40.980
locked and loaded,

01:22:41.180 --> 01:22:41.860
final version,

01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:44.160
formatted and everything properly,

01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:45.060
and I think he posted it

01:22:45.060 --> 01:22:46.500
in the forums on Monday as well,

01:22:46.700 --> 01:22:48.420
so JennyScan 2007

01:22:48.420 --> 01:22:49.540
is now in the books,

01:22:49.980 --> 01:22:52.520
so we will do it again next year.

01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:54.180
So, yeah,

01:22:54.200 --> 01:22:55.000
I'm glad you remembered that.

01:22:55.080 --> 01:22:56.560
I'm glad we thought about that

01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:58.380
because when he mentioned it on the air

01:22:58.380 --> 01:22:59.340
and I said that was definitely

01:22:59.340 --> 01:23:00.240
a cool project

01:23:00.240 --> 01:23:00.840
and I like it

01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:01.200
and it's fun,

01:23:01.320 --> 01:23:02.180
it's something everybody can do.

01:23:03.300 --> 01:23:05.140
And I need to give a shout out,

01:23:05.240 --> 01:23:05.800
if I may,

01:23:05.900 --> 01:23:08.580
to the BinRev 561 meeting.

01:23:08.700 --> 01:23:10.260
The guys down at BR561,

01:23:10.360 --> 01:23:10.980
Blunderbuss,

01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:12.100
Tabiz, of course,

01:23:12.860 --> 01:23:13.840
StankDeezy,

01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:14.420
down there,

01:23:14.540 --> 01:23:16.520
actually Downer was down there,

01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:17.440
which was really cool.

01:23:17.860 --> 01:23:18.900
A whole bunch of people,

01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:21.680
they postponed their meeting a week.

01:23:22.300 --> 01:23:23.620
Meetings are normally the third Friday,

01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:25.040
but I was going to be down there

01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:25.640
for the holiday,

01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:27.280
so they bumped it back

01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:28.360
to a week late,

01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:29.180
which was cool

01:23:29.180 --> 01:23:30.220
to accommodate me,

01:23:30.260 --> 01:23:31.160
so I appreciate that

01:23:31.160 --> 01:23:33.220
and had a great time down there,

01:23:33.380 --> 01:23:34.040
a cloak dagger,

01:23:34.620 --> 01:23:35.060
a bunch of us.

01:23:35.120 --> 01:23:36.360
I went to the BinRev meeting

01:23:36.360 --> 01:23:37.080
and then,

01:23:37.160 --> 01:23:37.440
of course,

01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:38.300
to the traditional

01:23:38.300 --> 01:23:40.720
BinRev 561 meeting.

01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:42.980
After the BinRev meeting ends,

01:23:43.100 --> 01:23:44.940
they proceed to head over

01:23:44.940 --> 01:23:46.380
to an Irish pub

01:23:46.380 --> 01:23:47.900
and the BinRev meeting begins,

01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:48.560
which is pretty much

01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:49.180
the same thing

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except drinking

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becomes involved.

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And actually,

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of course,

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I'm not much of a drinker,

01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:56.480
so we just basically

01:23:56.480 --> 01:23:57.200
continued the meeting,

01:23:57.340 --> 01:23:58.020
sat around talking

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and had a free Wi-Fi access.

01:24:02.120 --> 01:24:03.080
So we hopped on

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and I had my GPS device

01:24:05.360 --> 01:24:06.520
and we found a geocache

01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:07.460
right there in the parking lot.

01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:08.020
How weird,

01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:09.120
how bizarre is that?

01:24:09.160 --> 01:24:09.840
That's kind of freaky.

01:24:10.740 --> 01:24:12.000
We didn't actually find it,

01:24:12.060 --> 01:24:12.220
though.

01:24:12.340 --> 01:24:13.240
That's a funny thing.

01:24:14.060 --> 01:24:14.940
We knew where it was,

01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:15.980
we were standing on top of it,

01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:17.600
but it was a micro cache,

01:24:17.660 --> 01:24:18.520
which if you know what that means,

01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:19.540
it's tiny, tiny.

01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:21.300
It means it's the size

01:24:21.300 --> 01:24:22.800
of a pill bottle

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or smaller.

01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:25.100
And this one was

01:24:25.100 --> 01:24:26.460
apparently the smallest one

01:24:26.460 --> 01:24:28.000
on geocaching.com.

01:24:28.080 --> 01:24:28.900
We never found it.

01:24:30.440 --> 01:24:31.680
It was a pin.

01:24:31.780 --> 01:24:32.620
You got to find a pin

01:24:32.620 --> 01:24:33.360
in the haystack.

01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:34.020
I guess so.

01:24:34.540 --> 01:24:34.780
Well,

01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:35.540
when I was digging,

01:24:35.660 --> 01:24:36.720
I got a handful of roaches

01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:37.240
and I said,

01:24:37.320 --> 01:24:37.600
fuck that,

01:24:37.620 --> 01:24:38.460
I'm not going any deeper.

01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:39.880
Ew, ew, ew.

01:24:40.420 --> 01:24:40.780
Yeah,

01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:41.620
tell me about it.

01:24:43.980 --> 01:24:44.540
I don't know

01:24:44.540 --> 01:24:45.220
who was on shout-out,

01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:45.740
so I'll just send

01:24:45.740 --> 01:24:46.380
a shout-out to you

01:24:46.380 --> 01:24:46.880
because I'm lazy.

01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:48.500
Okay, fine.

01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:48.840
That'll do.

01:24:49.400 --> 01:24:49.560
Yeah.

01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:51.660
Closing music tonight

01:24:51.660 --> 01:24:53.980
is Ghouls and Ghosts

01:24:53.980 --> 01:24:55.000
Poltergeist Remix

01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.820
on ocremix.org.

01:24:57.960 --> 01:24:58.360
And,

01:24:59.360 --> 01:24:59.580
yeah,

01:24:59.700 --> 01:25:01.060
that sounded pretty interesting.

01:25:02.260 --> 01:25:02.520
All right,

01:25:02.540 --> 01:25:03.220
hopefully I didn't

01:25:03.220 --> 01:25:04.360
go on too many tangents

01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:05.080
and drag us

01:25:05.080 --> 01:25:06.940
over the limit.

01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:08.420
It's freestyling,

01:25:08.460 --> 01:25:09.200
it's freestyling.

01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:09.560
And plus,

01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:10.480
limits are like,

01:25:10.540 --> 01:25:10.700
you know,

01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:12.380
I'm starting to completely

01:25:12.380 --> 01:25:13.300
go out of the box here

01:25:13.300 --> 01:25:13.760
with the limits.

01:25:14.020 --> 01:25:14.120
So,

01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:14.820
actually,

01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:15.320
it's kind of good.

01:25:15.360 --> 01:25:15.900
I think we're kind of

01:25:15.900 --> 01:25:16.660
on time here,

01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:17.000
so.

01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:17.780
Good,

01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:18.500
works out perfectly.

01:25:19.100 --> 01:25:19.340
Yeah.

01:25:19.900 --> 01:25:20.380
All right,

01:25:20.460 --> 01:25:21.080
so as always,

01:25:21.160 --> 01:25:22.100
we will see you next week.

01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:22.960
Same hack time.

01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:25.160
Same hack channel.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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Bye.

01:25:52.320 --> 01:25:52.900
Bye.

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Bye.

01:25:53.740 --> 01:26:23.720
Thank you.

01:26:23.740 --> 01:26:53.720
Thank you.

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Thank you.

01:27:23.740 --> 01:27:53.720
Thank you.

01:27:53.740 --> 01:28:23.720
Thank you.

01:28:23.740 --> 01:28:53.720
Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.