WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.760 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:16.600 and a fag pwned. 00:16.720 --> 00:21.640 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:21.900 --> 00:26.440 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.440 --> 00:32.460 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.680 --> 00:38.360 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.700 --> 00:43.520 Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.840 --> 00:47.540 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.880 --> 00:52.100 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.220 --> 00:56.280 You feel that rattling your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones. 00:56.440 --> 01:00.720 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.960 --> 01:03.460 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.960 --> 01:06.740 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crudents. 01:07.080 --> 01:11.660 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs. 01:11.880 --> 01:14.200 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:14.200 --> 01:22.920 We are back once again with you this week, ladies and gentlemen, for Binary Revolution Radio, episode number 184. 01:23.960 --> 01:29.580 Why am I using my normal, everyday over the terrestrial radio, radio voice like the morning shows? 01:30.260 --> 01:32.240 I don't know, I just felt like doing it, I don't know. 01:32.460 --> 01:35.240 Why do I do anything? I've given up trying to figure it out. 01:35.240 --> 01:39.700 And so is this week's co-host, Booter, joining us this week. 01:40.880 --> 01:41.540 Hello, everybody. 01:41.800 --> 01:44.840 I think he gave up trying to figure me out a long time ago. 01:45.880 --> 01:49.620 Today is January 30th, 2007. 01:50.680 --> 01:52.700 Again, episode 184. 01:52.940 --> 01:57.220 Boy, man, we are fast approaching episode number 200. 01:57.380 --> 02:01.720 And we're not gonna talk about that, but we kinda got some possible plans for that episode, right? 02:02.240 --> 02:02.880 Yes, we do. 02:03.000 --> 02:10.140 I think you came up with some of the plans for that episode, so we're gonna keep that on, keep the lid on that one for a little while. 02:11.120 --> 02:14.760 Maybe I should do my terrestrial radio announcer voice. 02:14.900 --> 02:17.960 We should do a whole themed episode where we're like, 02:18.040 --> 02:20.220 The morning zoo! We're wacky and zany! 02:21.720 --> 02:24.300 Or we could do a whole show like Howard Cosell, 02:24.560 --> 02:28.260 and then everybody would just fucking stab themselves in the ear with an ice pick. 02:28.420 --> 02:30.320 Oh, they already do. Come on, who are you kidding? 02:30.320 --> 02:37.760 Oh, well, one thing, actually, I tell you what, I've made a change, 184 episodes, 02:38.400 --> 02:40.140 and I've never broken this pattern. 02:40.240 --> 02:44.740 I know this is a funny, bizarre, but absolutely truthful statement. 02:45.120 --> 02:49.180 Every episode of BinRev Radio I've done, I'm breaking a pattern today. 02:49.440 --> 02:54.500 I do not have my glass of sweet iced tea to do the show today. 02:54.500 --> 03:00.780 Instead of sweet iced tea, for some reason, this past weekend, a couple days ago, I got a wild hair up my ass, 03:01.300 --> 03:07.460 and tonight, ladies and gentlemen, I am doing the show with a nice cold glass of cherry Kool-Aid. 03:07.460 --> 03:11.520 It's better than a glass of Ensure, I guess. 03:12.040 --> 03:12.780 A glass of what? 03:13.340 --> 03:13.740 Ensure. 03:14.540 --> 03:16.900 Oh, gross. Why? Ew. 03:18.100 --> 03:21.620 That's like liquid vomit. Why would anybody drink that stuff? 03:21.720 --> 03:23.460 It's like all... 03:23.460 --> 03:25.680 Ugh, it's like drinking curdled milk or something. 03:25.800 --> 03:28.940 I would never slim fast or any of that stuff. 03:28.940 --> 03:33.820 Anything that says protein shake just sounds nasty anyway. 03:34.360 --> 03:35.560 Have you ever tried that Airborne? 03:36.840 --> 03:37.560 What is it? 03:38.240 --> 03:39.120 What is that, like babies? 03:39.120 --> 03:42.200 Airborne, it's, uh, I guess when you're getting sick or whatever, you don't want anybody else. 03:42.740 --> 03:47.740 Uh, you put it in ice water, and, like, there's different flavors, but I tried the citrus one, 03:47.780 --> 03:51.340 my girl was getting sick, so I took one sip of it and just poured the glass out. 03:51.740 --> 03:56.400 I mean, it's really disgusting, but it works, and it keeps others from getting sick, though. 03:56.400 --> 04:00.220 Hmm. At first I thought you were talking about, like, baby formula or some shit, 04:00.300 --> 04:02.580 like we're sitting around drinking Similac. 04:03.940 --> 04:06.720 Welcome to BinRev Radio, we're drinking Similac. 04:08.260 --> 04:10.020 Nope, not quite this week. 04:10.420 --> 04:12.860 So, you'll have to forgive me a little bit this week. 04:12.940 --> 04:17.000 I gotta admit I'm a little bit, uh, slap happy, punch drunk, whatever you want to call it, 04:17.040 --> 04:20.880 sleep deprived, because I had a pretty big weekend. 04:20.880 --> 04:27.340 And for those of you who don't know, we did a tremendous server move over the weekend. 04:28.260 --> 04:32.380 So, as far as show and tell, it's, it's gonna take up a little time, 04:32.440 --> 04:35.080 because I thought I'd actually finally go into a little bit of detail. 04:35.460 --> 04:39.980 Um, we've chatted about it here and there, and, in the forums, we've mentioned that it was gonna happen, 04:40.100 --> 04:43.140 but I haven't actually had any time to get together, 04:43.360 --> 04:46.100 as Booter's coughing up lung butter on the show there. 04:46.100 --> 04:46.660 Uh, yes. 04:47.220 --> 04:49.700 And I gotta tell you, I'm not feeling too well myself, so... 04:49.700 --> 04:51.700 Uh, it's been really cold down here in Houston, 04:51.880 --> 04:53.960 especially for, I get pissed off when it gets below 55. 04:54.400 --> 04:57.360 Well, listen, here, right here, I don't know if this microphone will pick this up, 04:58.280 --> 05:03.020 but right there is a nice little bucket, just in case I decide to hurl on the show. 05:04.420 --> 05:07.440 Um, don't know what's going around, but, like, everybody seems to be sick, 05:07.500 --> 05:11.040 but if I vomit on the show, you can rest assured that I will do it right in front of the microphone, 05:11.320 --> 05:13.040 and it will be a part of the show. 05:13.780 --> 05:16.000 And it will be cut into some sort of remix. 05:16.960 --> 05:17.320 Exactly. 05:19.120 --> 05:19.960 Oh, man. 05:20.460 --> 05:23.220 But, we're gonna try to make it through it without that, hopefully. 05:24.140 --> 05:26.640 A little bit of cherry Kool-Aid helps everything stay down, I hope. 05:27.560 --> 05:28.740 But, yeah, the server moved. 05:28.820 --> 05:31.300 So, here's, here's what's going on. 05:31.740 --> 05:34.180 Um, and I will, I'm gonna try to keep it short, 05:34.240 --> 05:36.160 but I wanna give a little bit of detail so people realize 05:36.160 --> 05:38.260 what all we've been going through here these last few days. 05:38.820 --> 05:42.040 First of all, we've been mentioning for a couple months now, 05:42.040 --> 05:44.080 and people have known for three or four months now 05:44.080 --> 05:48.300 that the server's been just ridiculously slow, just horribly slow. 05:48.300 --> 05:52.160 And, I don't wanna go into too much detail on the backstory of that, 05:52.240 --> 05:53.900 because we've already talked about it somewhat. 05:54.620 --> 05:59.840 But, all I can say, trust me when I say that we basically outgrew the box. 05:59.840 --> 06:03.560 And, it was slow, it was getting slower gradually and gradually, 06:03.720 --> 06:05.100 and finally it did come to a head, 06:05.180 --> 06:08.560 where finally the server just could not keep up with the load that was on it. 06:08.980 --> 06:11.260 So, whenever the server would get a rush of people, 06:11.480 --> 06:14.320 in the peak times, we'd have so many people on there 06:14.320 --> 06:16.760 that it wasn't able to keep up with all the requests. 06:17.740 --> 06:22.320 It was basically all the PHP requests to MySQL for the forums and whatnot. 06:22.320 --> 06:24.700 But, we're just overloading it, getting it confused. 06:25.460 --> 06:26.500 We're running out of memory. 06:27.680 --> 06:28.940 Wow, that was a velch right there. 06:28.960 --> 06:29.860 It just had a velch on the air. 06:29.920 --> 06:31.600 I know that's not as good as vomit, but... 06:31.600 --> 06:34.460 Man, it tasted better the first time going down. 06:36.780 --> 06:40.300 We had a lot of load on the server, 06:40.540 --> 06:44.180 and we tried to reconfigure it for a few weeks there, 06:44.260 --> 06:47.140 where we were trying to still make do with what we had. 06:47.240 --> 06:48.040 That was the problem. 06:48.040 --> 06:50.340 It wasn't like we were completely incompetent. 06:50.340 --> 06:52.300 The problem was, we're trying to make, 06:52.560 --> 06:54.860 squeeze every last bit of performance out of that server, 06:54.980 --> 06:57.460 because we couldn't really afford to go much more than that. 06:58.080 --> 07:00.540 So, obviously, we finally did have to break down, 07:00.640 --> 07:03.540 and that's why I posted that whole comment about our money situation. 07:03.700 --> 07:06.460 And, once again, no, we're not doing the off-the-hook beg-a-thon, 07:06.560 --> 07:07.220 so don't worry. 07:08.980 --> 07:12.240 But, it just pretty much told us that, yes, we've outgrown it. 07:12.300 --> 07:14.320 We have to make a decision of what we're going to do. 07:14.980 --> 07:17.520 We threw some more memory at the problem to solve it temporarily, 07:17.520 --> 07:19.800 but it was obvious that that's not going to last longer either, 07:19.800 --> 07:22.900 so we had to switch to a new server. 07:23.280 --> 07:25.940 Well, that was only really one of the reasons, to be quite honest. 07:26.120 --> 07:29.920 One reason to switch to the new server was because we simply need more power. 07:30.660 --> 07:31.800 So, that's one reason. 07:31.960 --> 07:34.520 The other reason, and, of course, that was the primary reason. 07:35.200 --> 07:37.800 The secondary reason, or I shouldn't say, 07:37.880 --> 07:39.940 actually, I guess that's a misnomer. 07:40.040 --> 07:41.180 It's not a reason, per se. 07:41.280 --> 07:42.360 It was a bonus. 07:43.360 --> 07:45.380 Another reason to move the server. 07:45.480 --> 07:49.880 One thing we would look for in a new server was we simply don't have the time. 07:49.960 --> 07:54.540 We had too many people working on it, and I don't know how to say this any better, 07:54.660 --> 07:58.460 but my time's more valuable than the time I had to spend constantly trying to tweak 07:58.460 --> 08:01.260 a little fractional percentage of performance out of the server. 08:01.260 --> 08:03.760 However, I don't get any time to hack anymore. 08:03.860 --> 08:06.100 I don't get any time to research and write stuff anymore, 08:06.100 --> 08:08.120 so that was really frustrating to me. 08:08.560 --> 08:11.240 Plus, I'm bringing a lot of other people who are putting their time in it, 08:11.280 --> 08:13.280 and all of our time is more valuable than that. 08:13.840 --> 08:16.720 So, when we started looking around for new servers, 08:16.880 --> 08:19.380 we had to find one, or we chose to find one, 08:19.580 --> 08:22.400 that was going to have some level of management to it, 08:22.460 --> 08:26.960 so that we don't have to be the ones constantly up all night when a problem occurs. 08:26.960 --> 08:31.360 Now, those are usually few and far between, hopefully, 08:31.580 --> 08:35.200 but realistically speaking, it just helps to take that load off of me 08:35.200 --> 08:37.400 having to worry about problems all the time. 08:37.480 --> 08:41.280 I can just go to somebody else who we're paying for management and say, 08:41.380 --> 08:42.900 hey, fix this for us. 08:43.260 --> 08:45.100 So, that's going to go a long way into, 08:45.500 --> 08:46.740 A, getting things done faster, 08:46.920 --> 08:51.480 and B, freeing up a lot of our time so that we can start working on other things. 08:51.480 --> 08:56.000 So, those are two big things that we're going to get out of this server move. 08:56.000 --> 08:58.480 Well, now here's the funny part of the story, 08:58.860 --> 09:00.920 and this is, I guess, my incompetence. 09:02.660 --> 09:09.240 The way this story starts is we'd searched around to try to find some different companies, right? 09:09.360 --> 09:11.700 And I even, and Booter and I have talked about different companies, 09:12.360 --> 09:16.380 and all the moderating team, all the DDP members, people outside. 09:16.480 --> 09:20.520 We had a lot of people giving us information about other companies and other options. 09:20.520 --> 09:23.120 So, we've been researching that for the last month or so. 09:23.840 --> 09:25.040 Finally went with a company. 09:26.660 --> 09:32.180 And what I was going to do was go ahead and buy the new box, 09:32.600 --> 09:34.720 new server from a new company, as described earlier, 09:34.880 --> 09:38.200 fully managed, a more powerful box, more memory, more bandwidth, 09:38.880 --> 09:40.500 faster processor, all of the above. 09:40.500 --> 09:47.500 And what I was going to do was take my time and slowly move the sites over one by one. 09:47.540 --> 09:49.420 I was going to start with some of the smaller sites. 09:49.500 --> 09:54.180 I was going to start with StankDog.com, start with DigitalDogPound.org, the Hack TV, 09:54.340 --> 09:58.780 move them over one at a time slowly so that I could be in control of the whole thing. 09:58.840 --> 10:00.000 We could do it nice and smooth. 10:00.220 --> 10:01.280 We wouldn't have any problems. 10:01.380 --> 10:02.400 We would minimize downtime. 10:02.400 --> 10:08.540 And then when it comes time to do BINREV, the biggest site, we would get together and spend the weekend 10:08.540 --> 10:12.580 and try to get it done as quickly as possible and get it moved over to minimize the downtime. 10:13.020 --> 10:15.780 And we would give people a warning before that happened. 10:15.780 --> 10:20.480 And I like to think that we've done pretty good at communicating any time we're going to do server changes, 10:20.620 --> 10:25.640 moves, upgrades, et cetera, and let people know ahead of time so they don't wonder what the hell happened. 10:26.580 --> 10:26.840 Yeah. 10:27.300 --> 10:29.720 Well, that didn't exactly happen this time, now, did it? 10:30.560 --> 10:34.740 Well, I mean, it was kind of weird with some of the DNS issues, like when the move was going. 10:34.800 --> 10:35.600 Because I remember I called you. 10:35.660 --> 10:37.940 I was like, are you doing the move now? 10:38.340 --> 10:39.960 And you were like, no. 10:40.060 --> 10:41.820 I was like, well, BINREV went down. 10:42.060 --> 10:43.920 That was, what, just this past weekend? 10:43.920 --> 10:46.420 Yeah, that was, I think that was actually Friday. 10:46.540 --> 10:47.040 No, wait a minute. 10:47.300 --> 10:47.960 Was it Friday? 10:49.300 --> 10:50.380 I think it was Friday. 10:50.460 --> 10:51.800 I think it was Friday you had called me. 10:52.420 --> 10:56.640 Yeah, because when I got home Friday from work at 3.30, I checked it. 10:56.700 --> 10:57.340 I checked the site. 10:57.420 --> 10:57.840 It was up. 10:58.440 --> 11:01.880 And about an hour later, about 4.30 my time, I checked it, and it was down. 11:02.460 --> 11:04.780 And that's when I called you, and you were like, just getting home from work. 11:05.200 --> 11:05.440 Yep. 11:05.460 --> 11:09.760 And, yeah, what was it, the next day or whatever, you know, it was back up. 11:10.360 --> 11:14.120 But some people, like in IRC, I was talking, some people still couldn't access the site. 11:14.320 --> 11:14.760 Right, right. 11:14.760 --> 11:19.100 And, like, you know, you called me or I called you or whatever, and you're like, is the site up? 11:19.140 --> 11:21.580 And I was like, yeah, it's been up all morning for me since I got up. 11:21.940 --> 11:26.040 But, I mean, you're on the East Coast, but I was talking to people on the West Coast, and they couldn't access it either. 11:26.260 --> 11:27.140 Right, but let's back up. 11:27.300 --> 11:28.940 That was the second part of the problem. 11:29.000 --> 11:29.920 So let's back up a little bit. 11:29.920 --> 11:42.620 The first part was Friday, again Friday, I had gotten the server, I think it was on a Tuesday I had ordered the server, and it was ready and available for us Wednesday, which, first of all, was pretty fast turnaround time. 11:42.680 --> 11:43.500 I was impressed with that. 11:44.300 --> 11:49.420 So Wednesday, Nick84 and I chatted a little bit, and we talked about how should we do this. 11:49.500 --> 11:54.200 And I said to him, I said, let me just move over one of the small sites for right now. 11:54.200 --> 11:57.480 And kind of laid out the plan like I described earlier. 11:57.560 --> 12:04.360 Let's move some small sites, make sure they work okay, and then work with some of the other people who we host their sites and things like that and bin rev, et cetera. 12:05.200 --> 12:06.420 So that was the plan. 12:06.840 --> 12:13.660 So Thursday night we poked around the new box to see how it was set up, see what was there, what wasn't, et cetera, et cetera, tweak it a little bit. 12:13.840 --> 12:22.000 And then Friday, kind of around lunchtime, I went out there, and first thing I have to do is we run our own name servers. 12:22.000 --> 12:30.800 And we're going to get into some more detail about generally speaking some of these things later, but I'm going to stick with the housekeeping in our particular story. 12:31.600 --> 12:38.460 I went out there, and I had to add a couple new name servers because the name servers that we're using on the new box were going to be a little different than the ones on the old box. 12:39.320 --> 12:49.940 Well, our registrar, which is, well, I don't want to talk about it on the air because they listened to the radio show, and last time I mentioned them, they went and started fucking with me. 12:49.940 --> 13:00.400 So we'll leave that alone, and they'll probably still fuck with me again, but they can rot in hell, bastards, especially after what they did to Theodor this weekend. 13:00.500 --> 13:02.460 But anyway, I'll back off of that. 13:02.460 --> 13:14.520 Long story short, I went out there, and they suck, nameless company sucks, and they would not let me add the name servers correctly. 13:14.680 --> 13:15.660 Or actually, that's a lie. 13:15.720 --> 13:21.960 They let me add them, but what it did was for some reason, somehow, it deleted the old name servers out of there. 13:21.960 --> 13:31.760 So all of a sudden, adding those two new name servers to BinRev somehow deleted or corrupted the old name servers, even though I didn't tell it to change them. 13:31.820 --> 13:39.660 I'm only adding two new ones to register them as name servers, and when you run your own, you have to register your own name servers. 13:40.780 --> 13:41.840 That's all I was doing. 13:41.940 --> 13:47.180 I wasn't actually changing the name servers to BinRev.com, but somehow, they got corrupted. 13:47.180 --> 13:55.120 And I called tech support for Nameless Company, and needless to say, it was fucking utterly worthless. 13:55.340 --> 13:59.560 I have never seen a bigger bunch of morons in all my life. 13:59.600 --> 14:03.860 I've never gotten any kind of valid support from Nameless Company. 14:04.760 --> 14:06.580 This is starting to get kind of funny. 14:08.420 --> 14:12.320 Is it the same one that I just recently registered a couple domains with? 14:12.500 --> 14:13.560 Probably, I don't know. 14:13.900 --> 14:14.200 Okay. 14:14.200 --> 14:17.500 Yeah, it's a very big company. 14:18.120 --> 14:18.360 Okay. 14:18.540 --> 14:21.240 I think it's pretty obvious who we're talking about, but we're not going to say it by name. 14:23.260 --> 14:27.380 And basically, their interface sucks, the way they do things sucks, their tech support sucks, 14:27.420 --> 14:32.220 and they end up having to elevate a ticket to someone else that was going to take 24 to 48 hours to get back to me. 14:32.560 --> 14:33.320 So you know what? 14:33.380 --> 14:34.720 I said, fuck it. 14:34.760 --> 14:39.680 So it wasn't, at the time, it was about noon, it was lunchtime, I made some changes. 14:39.680 --> 14:44.900 Everything was fine and working, and I was literally driving home from work. 14:44.980 --> 14:47.100 So it was about 5, 5.30, I think. 14:47.160 --> 14:48.600 You said, I think it was 4.30 your time? 14:49.060 --> 14:49.260 Yeah. 14:49.340 --> 14:50.320 5.30 my time. 14:50.360 --> 14:54.220 I was driving home from work, and Booter calls to tell me the site's down. 14:54.260 --> 14:58.860 And I'm like, well, it was just up at work a little while back, but I'm on my way home. 14:58.940 --> 15:00.400 I get home, sure as shit, it's down. 15:01.060 --> 15:02.780 Like, what the fuck happened to this? 15:02.780 --> 15:19.140 And that's when I called GoDaddy and, oh, excuse me, Nameless Company, which is not, in fact, GoDaddy, but it's kind of sort of, anyway, whatever, owned. 15:19.460 --> 15:20.800 All right, we'll leave that in there, too. 15:21.940 --> 15:23.480 It rides with your poppy. 15:23.480 --> 15:24.660 Yeah, I'll leave. 15:25.160 --> 15:26.480 It actually is not them. 15:26.580 --> 15:28.120 However, it is them. 15:28.380 --> 15:31.560 But that's a whole other story for another time. 15:31.680 --> 15:34.960 I'm inside their database and eating their tubes or something. 15:35.220 --> 15:39.700 But I called them up again, no help with them. 15:39.800 --> 15:40.960 They opened a ticket, yada, yada. 15:41.080 --> 15:43.280 So at that point, BinRev was down. 15:45.440 --> 15:47.380 I'm on, I called Verbo. 15:47.480 --> 15:50.200 Verbo was helpful on the phone, walking through some DNS stuff. 15:50.200 --> 15:53.620 T-Oxty and IRC were chatting some DNS stuff. 15:53.860 --> 15:56.140 Actually, that was actually the next day, T-Oxty and I, something else. 15:56.380 --> 15:59.460 But anyway, everybody helped out a little bit. 15:59.540 --> 16:01.140 We figured out what we needed to do to fix it. 16:01.260 --> 16:04.840 And the long story short, it takes a while for the DNS changes to happen anyway. 16:05.160 --> 16:08.140 So on the fly Friday, I said, you know what? 16:08.180 --> 16:13.180 Instead of going through this hassle of trying to fix this and get it set up and running, we've got the new box. 16:13.300 --> 16:15.200 We were going to test doing one move anyway. 16:15.620 --> 16:19.120 As long as the box is going to be down for 24 to 48 hours anyway, 16:19.120 --> 16:21.660 let's go ahead and just start the move of everything. 16:21.900 --> 16:25.220 So I pretty much, luckily, Nick was available, was online. 16:25.840 --> 16:26.700 We were chatting. 16:26.840 --> 16:29.280 So we went ahead and started the process between the two of us. 16:30.340 --> 16:34.780 Started moving sites over there, changing all the name servers, yada, yada, yada. 16:34.880 --> 16:37.320 And everything went fairly smoothly, I have to say. 16:37.740 --> 16:40.280 There were a few little pickups, a few little bumps along the way. 16:40.320 --> 16:42.140 And there are still a few ongoing problems. 16:42.240 --> 16:44.880 But all in all, it went pretty well. 16:44.880 --> 16:46.800 So that's what I said earlier. 16:46.800 --> 16:48.580 It was my screw-up, my fuck-up. 16:48.700 --> 16:52.460 I messed up the name servers, and that's what triggered the whole thing. 16:52.900 --> 16:56.420 Again, otherwise, we would have given some notification of what was going on. 16:56.480 --> 16:59.740 So I know people in IRC were all like, you know, OMG owned. 16:59.860 --> 17:01.960 They thought we were busted or whatever was going on. 17:01.960 --> 17:07.280 So, yeah, that's the reason that it happened so suddenly like that. 17:07.660 --> 17:10.380 And once we were in it and committed, I had to say, you know, here we go. 17:10.480 --> 17:15.620 I stayed up late into the night, moving stuff over with, moving stuff over to the new box. 17:15.980 --> 17:20.020 Any problems we had along the way, I was opening up tickets with our new hosting company 17:20.020 --> 17:22.220 because, as I said, we went with a managed solution. 17:22.860 --> 17:26.660 So some things I sicked them on and made them work on fixing when I went to bed. 17:26.660 --> 17:31.240 And then emailed Nick with some other things and said, hey, can you look into this? 17:31.780 --> 17:35.500 When I got up the next morning, Nick had finished BinRev, had it up and running. 17:35.820 --> 17:39.180 For some people, like you said earlier, this is what you were alluding to in the story earlier, 17:39.780 --> 17:42.060 some people it was working and some people it was not. 17:43.240 --> 17:45.500 And the reason for that was, again, name servers. 17:45.680 --> 17:52.480 However, it was name servers on the new box and the name servers that I had registered with unnamed company here. 17:52.560 --> 17:54.880 Is that still funny if I say it even though I've already dropped the docs? 17:54.880 --> 17:59.160 Because that's pretty much I screwed up and put in the wrong IP address. 17:59.300 --> 18:01.580 So that second part of that story was kind of my fault. 18:02.080 --> 18:04.300 Well, the whole story is my fault, let's be honest. 18:04.600 --> 18:06.160 The whole story is all my fault. 18:06.760 --> 18:08.240 I bet you the new host was thrilled. 18:08.360 --> 18:09.980 He's all like, wait, wait, hold on. 18:10.200 --> 18:13.560 This guy just got a new server and he's already fucked shit up and wants us to fix it? 18:14.060 --> 18:15.120 What's the matter with this guy? 18:15.420 --> 18:20.300 Well, and actually, we're going to segue into the main topic here in a few minutes. 18:20.300 --> 18:25.600 But one of the things that we did, and I'm going to allude to later on, 18:25.720 --> 18:31.760 was due to the content of our server, that is, it being a bunch of hacking sites. 18:32.140 --> 18:32.480 Yeah. 18:32.720 --> 18:38.220 I'm very careful and I'm very upfront with every company that I've dealt with when I negotiate with them 18:38.220 --> 18:39.720 and try to contact them. 18:39.760 --> 18:41.260 I always tell them what the site is. 18:41.880 --> 18:43.640 Sometimes I'll invite them to go take a look. 18:43.840 --> 18:47.180 Feel free to ask any questions because sometimes that can be a problem. 18:47.180 --> 18:52.740 So I had already communicated several times and let them know upfront what the story was, 18:52.800 --> 18:57.160 what the situations was, what our expectations were from them, what will you do, 18:57.240 --> 18:59.800 what won't you do under the management, et cetera, et cetera. 18:59.860 --> 19:01.680 And these are all questions that you have to ask. 19:02.640 --> 19:03.880 So anyway, I'd already cleared that up. 19:03.900 --> 19:06.780 We'll come back to that in the main topic coming up in a second. 19:06.840 --> 19:09.560 But we'd already cleared with them that they were willing to help move things. 19:09.640 --> 19:11.520 They were willing to help set certain things up. 19:11.860 --> 19:13.480 So we'd already set the stage. 19:13.480 --> 19:18.980 You see, try to remind me when we go into that a little bit later on. 19:19.460 --> 19:21.020 I'll try my best to remember. 19:21.800 --> 19:21.980 Yeah. 19:22.660 --> 19:23.200 All right. 19:24.260 --> 19:29.600 We will actually segue pretty much into that now unless you have any housekeeping you want to get out up front. 19:30.060 --> 19:31.980 I've just been really busy with work. 19:32.420 --> 19:35.580 I mean, you know some of the stuff about that I've been going through at work. 19:35.580 --> 19:41.640 Yeah, you've got lots of good training and stuff going on and cougar hunting or something like that. 19:42.060 --> 19:42.940 Reverse cougar hunting. 19:43.040 --> 19:44.560 Excuse me, reverse cougar hunting. 19:44.720 --> 19:49.980 I forgot to mention on 175, like Ratchet mentioned, so it's like milk hunting. 19:50.440 --> 19:54.640 And then like after we won't actually listen to the show, I was like, well, it's actually different. 19:55.000 --> 19:59.100 Because milk hunting is where you go looking specifically for the older women. 19:59.180 --> 20:00.120 They're not looking for you. 20:00.120 --> 20:05.920 So reverse cougar hunting is where you go to where the older women are looking for young guys. 20:06.000 --> 20:09.840 You just put yourself in a situation to be, quote, unquote, caught by the cougar. 20:11.120 --> 20:12.360 That's just, I don't know. 20:12.500 --> 20:14.520 Something sounds a little, I don't know about that one. 20:14.520 --> 20:16.020 Yeah, and I landed one. 20:16.160 --> 20:18.540 She'll be 34 in a couple months. 20:18.940 --> 20:20.600 Oh, now see, why is 34? 20:20.820 --> 20:21.920 I'm older than that. 20:22.020 --> 20:22.760 Come on now. 20:23.660 --> 20:24.180 I'm old. 20:24.180 --> 20:24.820 What do you say is my heart? 20:25.140 --> 20:26.740 Gee, thanks for calling me old. 20:26.740 --> 20:32.540 I guess I'm going to, I guess I have to go find some, well, how come the chicks don't do that, though? 20:32.600 --> 20:36.240 How come I never find young chicks putting themselves out there wanting to be caught by me? 20:36.760 --> 20:37.360 Well, you can do. 20:37.360 --> 20:39.020 You just got to drive by the high school by 2.30. 20:39.300 --> 20:42.400 Yeah, I think I might get the, going in a clink for that one. 20:43.940 --> 20:46.160 I mean, I mean, look what happened to Ratchet. 20:46.260 --> 20:47.340 I mean, oh, no, I'm sorry. 20:47.640 --> 20:48.920 Remind me to edit that out, will you? 20:49.580 --> 20:49.900 Okay. 20:50.100 --> 20:50.980 Yeah, we'll take that out later. 20:50.980 --> 20:59.820 Anyway, yeah, so, again, due to the server problems, we pretty much had no email, or if we did, I haven't seen it yet, 20:59.880 --> 21:06.500 because, A, I didn't upload last week's episode until, I think, Sunday night, so my apologies for that, 21:06.580 --> 21:09.480 but I should have spilled out the podcast by now. 21:09.480 --> 21:17.740 Well, and as well as that, even if somebody did send email in the last couple days since that show, since it did go out Sunday, 21:18.460 --> 21:22.580 that is one of the few casualties that we had, is we're having some email problems, 21:22.780 --> 21:26.340 so anything, binrev.com is hit and miss. 21:26.420 --> 21:32.160 We haven't quite isolated what it is yet, but working on it, so bear with us through that part of it, 21:32.200 --> 21:36.400 but we wanted to make sure the forums and stuff were back up first, so Nick did a great job on that. 21:37.060 --> 21:38.620 Has the screen been down, too? 21:38.620 --> 21:39.660 What's that? 21:40.180 --> 21:40.700 The stream? 21:41.420 --> 21:42.560 Yeah, the radio stream's down. 21:42.640 --> 21:43.800 That's another one of the casualties. 21:44.380 --> 21:44.820 Oh, okay. 21:44.980 --> 21:51.560 Again, we had to, you know, it's one of those things where we have to prioritize and get the most important things back up and running and settled out, 21:51.660 --> 21:55.020 so that we have, we are working on that one. 21:55.540 --> 22:00.280 One other thing that we had problems with, but we did fix right away, was we'll hack for food. 22:01.240 --> 22:01.600 Yeah. 22:01.800 --> 22:05.280 And actually, that's a good, let me bring this up, too, while we're in housekeeping. 22:05.280 --> 22:13.800 This is one of the great things about doing all this stuff, moving to the new server and having it managed as it frees up some time for us to work on stuff. 22:13.800 --> 22:15.680 It's already begun. 22:15.680 --> 22:20.260 I mean, just the process of moving it over there, we know we're going to be on the new server. 22:20.440 --> 22:26.180 Any little bugs and problems we've had on it in the past, Nick has worked on, and we had some going on there with the move. 22:26.480 --> 22:32.120 We got that back up and running tested, and we'll hack for food.biz is back up and running right now. 22:32.260 --> 22:33.140 Works wonderfully. 22:33.300 --> 22:34.560 I tested it start to finish. 22:34.720 --> 22:35.140 Works beautifully. 22:35.880 --> 22:36.960 I love that site. 22:37.280 --> 22:39.220 I still think that's one of my favorite sites. 22:39.300 --> 22:44.780 It's so awesome, so easy to use, clean, simple interface, great site. 22:46.140 --> 22:49.000 And we're going to kind of relaunch that here soon. 22:51.480 --> 22:54.840 Well, I guess I'll come up with more information on that in the next week or two, 22:54.920 --> 22:57.400 because it's not a lot of work that needs to be done but a little bit. 22:58.120 --> 22:59.060 But we'll hack for food. 22:59.140 --> 23:02.660 It's kind of a long, bulky address, so we're working on that, coming up with a new solution. 23:02.660 --> 23:06.420 It'll make it a little bit easier and faster to not have to type that in, 23:06.640 --> 23:09.580 not have to have the word hack in the URL, which is kind of interesting, 23:09.700 --> 23:14.640 not using a .biz, which is very spam unfriendly because a lot of spammers use .biz. 23:15.220 --> 23:18.580 So we'd look for a relaunch of WillHack for Food coming very soon. 23:20.140 --> 23:23.320 And we were able to do that because, yeah, while we're in the process of this, 23:23.400 --> 23:27.940 we're like, listen, we know that the load is being taken off of us as far as sysadmin side of things 23:27.940 --> 23:32.540 and system-level stuff, so we're able to start working on these things again. 23:32.660 --> 23:36.500 So that is back up and running for anybody who wants to use it. 23:36.580 --> 23:42.500 That is a disposable e-mail service where you can go in there and create a quick throwaway account, 23:42.880 --> 23:46.560 receive only e-mail right now, and probably stay that way. 23:47.320 --> 23:48.720 But it's password-protected. 23:48.920 --> 23:53.820 In a very simple way, nothing fancy, but you get a password to protect it so nobody backdoors into it. 23:53.820 --> 23:59.180 So we've talked about that on the show before, and I've presented on that at places, so we won't rehash that. 23:59.900 --> 24:05.540 But we will segue into the main topic, which is going to be exactly what we've been talking about here, 24:05.600 --> 24:09.980 except we're going to back up on a larger scale and talk about hosting in general. 24:09.980 --> 24:14.440 And I guess we'll say hacker-friendly hosting is probably what we'll title the show or something, 24:14.620 --> 24:20.060 but talk about some things about hosting because I know a lot of our listeners have several sites. 24:20.160 --> 24:24.360 They know all about hosting, and some of this might be repetitive stuff. 24:24.420 --> 24:25.240 Some of it might not be. 24:25.280 --> 24:25.620 I don't know. 24:25.920 --> 24:30.100 So we're going to cover a lot of different things, drop some numbers, some prices, 24:30.220 --> 24:32.460 so people get some ideas because if you haven't done the research, 24:32.780 --> 24:35.860 you might not even know what you're getting into with that kind of stuff. 24:35.860 --> 24:41.320 Talk about some of the hardware, software, some of the other options that you have with it, 24:41.380 --> 24:46.000 some of the content limits, some other issues and problems along the way, how you handle it. 24:46.840 --> 24:48.740 So that's going to be our main topic. 24:50.280 --> 24:54.680 And basically start off with – well, let's back up a little bit. 24:54.740 --> 24:58.120 First of all, there's different types of hosting. 24:58.780 --> 24:59.560 And the most – 24:59.560 --> 25:03.140 I think before we go into this, can we pause for just a second? 25:03.420 --> 25:03.820 Sure. 25:03.820 --> 25:06.680 Do you want to time stamp this? 25:06.860 --> 25:07.180 Mm-hmm. 25:07.600 --> 25:08.400 I have to urinate? 25:09.140 --> 25:10.500 Well, I tell you what. 25:10.660 --> 25:14.560 Why don't you go urinate, and I'll just keep talking because I don't like to stop and edit shit back together. 25:15.280 --> 25:15.600 Okay. 25:15.940 --> 25:17.760 You can take the phone with you and urinate on the show. 25:18.680 --> 25:22.280 This is going to make a great outtake for an upcoming show. 25:22.400 --> 25:23.600 It's not going to be an outtake. 25:23.680 --> 25:24.900 This is going right in the show. 25:25.000 --> 25:25.840 I'm not taking this out. 25:26.220 --> 25:29.060 Well, then hold on because I don't think everybody wants to hear me pee. 25:29.480 --> 25:30.140 I don't know. 25:30.260 --> 25:31.520 We're going to vomit on the show. 25:31.520 --> 25:32.920 We might as well pee on the show. 25:32.920 --> 25:34.380 So, oh, man. 25:34.580 --> 25:35.500 You want me to do it seriously? 25:35.700 --> 25:35.980 No. 25:36.160 --> 25:37.380 Just go pee and be quiet. 25:37.380 --> 25:37.660 Okay. 25:39.080 --> 25:40.000 Oh, man. 25:40.200 --> 25:40.520 All right. 25:40.600 --> 25:48.960 Well, boot or pee, I'm going to go on into the main topic and talk about – let's start with, I guess, the bottom of the barrel hosting. 25:48.960 --> 25:58.880 When you talk about hosting, let's talk about free hosting because I know a lot of people listening, they don't have the money to go out there and pay for hosting, so they're looking for free solutions. 25:58.880 --> 26:05.200 And you can get free hosting all over the global interweb, all over. 26:05.200 --> 26:06.440 It's not hard to find. 26:06.520 --> 26:10.440 If you just go out there and do a little bit of searching, you'll find all kinds of it. 26:10.580 --> 26:25.940 Now, depending on what your needs are and what you want to do with it, et cetera, et cetera, if you want something that's going to be already set up for you, they're going to give you a lot of GUI interfaces and stuff like that, go with one of the big free hosting sites like GeoCities, for example. 26:25.940 --> 26:34.260 I've got to admit, I don't know a whole lot of these off the top of my head because I don't really – they don't give you much for it. 26:34.460 --> 26:35.720 They're limited so much. 26:36.600 --> 26:38.960 I think Blogger, isn't that one that's free? 26:39.120 --> 26:40.920 I don't know if booters done peeing yet or not. 26:41.580 --> 26:44.040 Well, I'm not sure about Blogger, but isn't – what is it? 26:44.440 --> 26:47.480 100, like 100MB, another one? 26:47.620 --> 26:48.740 Yeah, that sounds familiar. 26:49.020 --> 26:50.120 And, again, there's so many. 26:50.480 --> 26:54.360 But I'm thinking more like from the big providers, like from GeoCities and stuff like that. 26:54.360 --> 26:56.020 They provide you an interface. 26:56.160 --> 26:57.260 They provide you templates. 26:57.480 --> 26:58.500 Google Pages, right? 26:58.600 --> 26:59.620 Isn't Google Pages free? 27:00.460 --> 27:02.500 I've never used Google Pages before. 27:02.720 --> 27:03.700 Is it called Google Pages? 27:04.380 --> 27:05.640 I'm going to take a look real quick. 27:05.700 --> 27:08.700 You know me and Google, we're not all that on speaking terms and whatnot. 27:10.900 --> 27:12.020 There's the late AngelFire. 27:12.520 --> 27:13.880 Is AngelFire still around? 27:14.580 --> 27:15.900 I think so, actually. 27:16.660 --> 27:20.660 But, yeah, so the big wins like that, those big companies that are offering free hosting, 27:20.660 --> 27:25.220 they want you on their sites because, A, they are feeding ads to all of those sites. 27:25.300 --> 27:28.660 So any hits that you get are hits on their ads and they can make money. 27:28.740 --> 27:29.740 So that's why they offer those. 27:29.800 --> 27:31.000 That's their ulterior motive. 27:32.000 --> 27:33.660 And to them, it's not a big deal. 27:33.760 --> 27:34.860 Pages.google.com. 27:35.120 --> 27:36.460 Pages.google.com. 27:36.540 --> 27:37.000 There you go. 27:37.600 --> 27:41.620 To them, it's not a big deal to give you a little bit of disk space and a little bit of whatever 27:41.620 --> 27:42.900 if they're making some money off of it. 27:42.940 --> 27:43.680 They're getting content. 27:44.300 --> 27:46.000 They're tracking everything you do. 27:46.100 --> 27:46.780 Keep that in mind. 27:46.780 --> 27:49.000 I don't want to go into a conspiracy thing on this episode. 27:50.060 --> 27:53.280 But there's lots of free hosting from the big companies like that where they give you 27:53.280 --> 27:53.620 templates. 27:53.840 --> 27:56.580 But the thing you get, look, as a matter of fact, I guess I have to throw this out there. 27:56.920 --> 27:57.580 MySpace, isn't it? 27:57.580 --> 27:58.920 I guess we have to say that too, right? 27:59.600 --> 28:00.620 Ah, unfortunately. 28:00.940 --> 28:01.480 I know. 28:01.600 --> 28:02.080 But you know what? 28:02.100 --> 28:02.880 They give you templates. 28:03.240 --> 28:05.920 And that's exactly what I was getting ready to say that made me think of it. 28:06.200 --> 28:08.980 You get in a situation where every page looks the freaking same. 28:09.860 --> 28:10.180 Yeah. 28:10.620 --> 28:13.340 So you don't get a whole lot of originality. 28:13.480 --> 28:15.100 You're not running any extra software. 28:15.100 --> 28:17.040 You're limited to what they give you access to. 28:17.680 --> 28:21.540 They may give you some neat tools and everything, but you're always going to have some sort of 28:21.540 --> 28:22.720 limitations on it. 28:23.400 --> 28:27.720 That's when, like, the very first thing I ever got, like, what was it, back in 99 or 28:27.720 --> 28:33.180 something, I just basically wanted to teach myself some HTML because I didn't know shit 28:33.180 --> 28:33.440 about it. 28:33.440 --> 28:38.400 I was really just starting to get into computers after a four-year, five-year hiatus and shit. 28:38.400 --> 28:44.000 And I went through GeoCities and, you know, they have the wussy wig that you can, or not 28:44.000 --> 28:46.200 wussy wig, the GUI that you could use. 28:46.700 --> 28:49.320 But I was like, no, I want to teach myself the code. 28:49.400 --> 28:50.500 So I went straight into the editor. 28:50.600 --> 28:54.720 And once you go into the editor, you can't go back to the easy GUI, you know, point and 28:54.720 --> 28:55.280 click and everything. 28:55.280 --> 28:56.520 And that's what I did. 28:56.600 --> 29:00.680 I just wrote shit, looked at the code, broke it, and keep writing it. 29:00.740 --> 29:05.000 You know, basically just reverse engineering it until I taught myself, you know, the HTML. 29:05.280 --> 29:08.840 And that's what I love about GeoCities is because you can use the HTML editor. 29:09.100 --> 29:14.540 And at the time, back in 99, 2000, I think they were one of the few that actually did that, 29:14.600 --> 29:17.200 that let you write your own HTML code. 29:17.200 --> 29:22.740 Yeah, and you know, actually, it wasn't until early 2000s, to be honest with you, I actually 29:22.740 --> 29:28.500 started using some of the other HTML editing software packages myself. 29:28.720 --> 29:34.820 I still use good old-fashioned Notepad or actually more to the point Edit Plus or TextEdit 29:34.820 --> 29:35.940 or some of those editors. 29:36.100 --> 29:38.760 I was using those even as recently as the 2000s. 29:39.780 --> 29:45.700 Yeah, I mean, when I was doing support for Yahoo a couple years ago or whatever, I was really 29:45.700 --> 29:48.800 surprised because we get a lot of the idiots that, you know, download the program and they 29:48.800 --> 29:51.100 just use that, that Yahoo provided. 29:51.880 --> 29:55.960 And there was one person I got, and I was like, you know, something was wrong on his page. 29:56.020 --> 29:58.240 A link was broken or something wasn't showing up or something. 29:58.840 --> 29:59.900 And I was like, well, let me look at your code. 30:00.000 --> 30:02.200 This is outside the scope of our support, but let me look at it. 30:02.580 --> 30:04.280 And I was like, you know, how did you build your website? 30:04.400 --> 30:05.360 He said, I wrote a Notepad. 30:05.420 --> 30:08.900 And I was like, whoa, holy shit, this is like the first person I've ever had that actually 30:08.900 --> 30:09.900 hand-coded their site. 30:10.380 --> 30:15.680 And so, you know, I went through his source and he had just like something very, 30:15.700 --> 30:17.680 very small, missed a bracket or something in HTML. 30:18.160 --> 30:21.080 And I pointed it out to him, showed him exactly where in the source it was. 30:21.340 --> 30:22.480 And he fixed that. 30:22.840 --> 30:27.120 Oh, what it was, I think one of the things that he had wrong too besides just a bracket 30:27.120 --> 30:31.700 was he put a space in and Yahoo uses Unix-based servers. 30:31.920 --> 30:33.100 And so, of course, you can't have spaces. 30:33.460 --> 30:36.600 So, yeah, it was something very minor like that. 30:36.820 --> 30:37.140 Right. 30:37.840 --> 30:42.100 Well, and that's when, you know, if you're going to do anything outside of using their 30:42.100 --> 30:46.580 little GUI editor that they already give you and a bunch of widgets and stuff that 30:46.580 --> 30:47.440 they provide for you. 30:47.600 --> 30:51.860 And if you want to add a counter, copy and paste this code onto your page, that kind of 30:51.860 --> 30:52.100 thing. 30:52.500 --> 30:55.300 Then you want to move up a little bit to one of the other free providers. 30:55.380 --> 30:59.180 And I think that's where you're talking about that 100 meg, 1,000 meg, whatever that site 30:59.180 --> 31:00.300 is, free pages. 31:00.300 --> 31:04.960 I remember Tripod back in the day, but they were like GeoCities and stuff. 31:05.480 --> 31:10.240 But there are a lot of other free hosting, some of them out there by different content 31:10.240 --> 31:16.180 management places where I think, for example, Envision Board, don't they offer free Envision 31:16.180 --> 31:16.500 Board? 31:16.580 --> 31:20.580 They're very limited, but it comes with the Envision Forum software where you can have 31:20.580 --> 31:24.980 only up to 50 or 100 or something registered users and stuff like that, and they'll host 31:24.980 --> 31:25.520 it for free. 31:26.240 --> 31:27.440 I'm not sure if they still do that or not. 31:27.440 --> 31:32.200 There is one free Envision Board that I go on where, actually, I think they have a couple 31:32.200 --> 31:32.560 thousand. 31:32.680 --> 31:36.540 I don't know what restrictions they have on there other than that. 31:36.620 --> 31:42.940 I mean, the way they have it set up is, there's not near as much functionality as on the Bin 31:42.940 --> 31:43.420 Rev forums. 31:43.660 --> 31:44.660 Yeah, they'll give you a limited one. 31:44.740 --> 31:47.640 So like some of the content management systems will offer you free hosting. 31:48.360 --> 31:49.480 So that's another option. 31:50.220 --> 31:53.680 But normally, again, you're still limited to whatever they want to give you. 31:53.680 --> 31:58.060 They're going to be feeding ads or something on there to make it worth their while to have 31:58.060 --> 31:58.420 you on there. 31:58.500 --> 31:59.760 It's usually advertising-based. 32:01.140 --> 32:05.080 Or, you know, I think in the early days, there were some places that they were trying 32:05.080 --> 32:09.160 to copyright any content you put on it, the copyright shifted to them as the owner of 32:09.160 --> 32:09.600 the sites. 32:10.160 --> 32:10.240 Yeah. 32:10.440 --> 32:12.800 Now, that's pretty much, I haven't heard any stories about that recently. 32:13.380 --> 32:17.080 But anyway, the next step up from that would be to go for some sort of paid hosting. 32:17.260 --> 32:22.060 Now, Ben Booty, I'm sure you know as well as I, you can get hosting even for $1, $2, $3 32:22.060 --> 32:22.700 a month. 32:23.240 --> 32:23.500 Yeah. 32:23.620 --> 32:27.480 And we're going to talk about anything from like, let's say the $3 to $5, let's say $5 32:27.480 --> 32:29.000 to $10, anything less than $10. 32:30.140 --> 32:30.540 Yeah. 32:30.540 --> 32:34.120 And what you're getting with that is you're getting what's commonly referred to as shared 32:34.120 --> 32:34.520 hosting. 32:35.340 --> 32:35.700 Yeah. 32:36.080 --> 32:40.100 And I'll tell you what, do you want to kind of explain what the concept of what shared 32:40.100 --> 32:44.680 hosting is and how that's generally set up and why they're able to charge such low prices 32:44.680 --> 32:45.100 for it? 32:45.660 --> 32:50.700 Well, shared hosting, basically, you're basically on a VPS, which is, I mean, there's some, 32:50.920 --> 32:52.860 obviously, there's going to be a physical box somewhere. 32:53.420 --> 32:58.080 And somebody owns that box, whether it's a reseller or, you know, like a big company, 32:58.080 --> 33:01.820 like, you know, just give Yahoo, for example, because that's where, that's how all their shit 33:01.820 --> 33:03.820 is based is on VPSs. 33:03.820 --> 33:09.640 But, um, basically, yeah, you're on a box shared with probably hundreds of people, you 33:09.640 --> 33:12.240 know, depending on, you know, on what your needs are. 33:12.300 --> 33:12.400 Yeah. 33:12.440 --> 33:13.000 Or thousands. 33:13.280 --> 33:17.740 And, uh, you know, they got the hardware in there and say, you know, just for easy numbers 33:17.740 --> 33:22.620 sake, say they got, um, a 500 gig hard drive in there with two gigs of Ram and I don't 33:22.620 --> 33:27.840 know, um, two terabytes or three terabytes a month, um, bandwidth. 33:28.280 --> 33:30.680 They're going to partition you out when you sign up for it. 33:30.680 --> 33:34.000 So they're going to partition you out and say, um, okay, we're going to give you for 33:34.000 --> 33:37.380 $10 a month, we're going to give you, um, 10 gigs. 33:38.120 --> 33:42.800 And, you know, uh, the Ram issue, uh, for the most part, they never, they never bring 33:42.800 --> 33:47.740 up, but, um, yeah, it's kind of hard to slice off a partition, a section of Ram for you in 33:47.740 --> 33:48.540 that scenario. 33:49.180 --> 33:49.540 Yeah. 33:49.540 --> 33:53.440 But usually what they'll do is put a rule that says if you start eating up too much 33:53.440 --> 33:57.660 of the Ram, you know, they have the right to shut you down or something like that or 33:57.660 --> 33:59.440 kill your processes and things like that. 33:59.500 --> 34:04.000 So if you grow, outgrow that type of hosting or service, they will put a stop to it once 34:04.000 --> 34:05.080 it crosses their line. 34:05.620 --> 34:06.020 Yeah. 34:06.540 --> 34:09.300 And like, you know, they'll part also partition you out some bandwidth. 34:09.300 --> 34:14.500 So, um, like say, uh, they'll give you, um, for $10 a month, uh, what's a good number? 34:14.500 --> 34:19.740 Uh, maybe 20 gigs, maybe 30 gigs of, um, of, uh, bandwidth. 34:19.960 --> 34:20.380 A lot. 34:20.760 --> 34:24.680 You know, on, on the low end for like, you know, a low end server, you know, or, um, a VPS. 34:25.200 --> 34:27.540 And so, I mean, yeah, that's where you're going to pay, but I mean, you go on the higher 34:27.540 --> 34:33.100 end and, you know, you're getting, um, you know, a hundred gigs of, uh, of storage. 34:33.100 --> 34:41.500 And you're going to get like, um, say maybe 500 gigs of transfer a month and you may be 34:41.500 --> 34:42.960 paying $50 to $60. 34:43.620 --> 34:44.780 Well, and it's, and that's just it. 34:44.800 --> 34:45.520 It's going to vary. 34:45.580 --> 34:49.380 And that's kind of where we were going with this is it can start off as little as five 34:49.380 --> 34:49.840 bucks a month. 34:49.840 --> 34:53.260 Like that one that I always liked and that several of us have used dual use for a long 34:53.260 --> 34:54.160 time was PowWeb. 34:54.760 --> 34:58.620 And I don't want to, I see, I don't want to single any more out, um, because I don't want 34:58.620 --> 35:01.060 to endorse any, especially when we get to these higher end boxes. 35:01.060 --> 35:04.800 I don't want to endorse anybody because no one's really, if somebody were to give us 35:04.800 --> 35:08.240 the hookup, which they've never done, then maybe we talk differently, but I'd sell out. 35:08.600 --> 35:12.020 But since they haven't, I will mention PowWeb though, because we had good luck with that 35:12.020 --> 35:12.520 in the past. 35:12.720 --> 35:17.500 Uh, old school freak ran off of PowWeb for the longest time, uh, for, I think it's $7.77 35:17.500 --> 35:23.460 a month and you get a lot for that $7.77, but basically you're starting off on that end and 35:23.460 --> 35:30.540 you can go as high as, you know, 10 to 15, 20, 30, 40, 50, even higher under a quote 35:30.540 --> 35:32.400 shared hosting environment. 35:32.800 --> 35:34.440 You're still sharing resources. 35:34.600 --> 35:36.240 You're just getting more of them. 35:36.360 --> 35:41.500 So for the step up from five to 10 to 20, each step is a little bit more disk space, a 35:41.500 --> 35:46.400 little bit more bandwidth, a little bit more access and functionality, et cetera, et cetera. 35:46.400 --> 35:51.200 Uh, and that's why, and again, you can go out and do tons of searches and there are 35:51.200 --> 35:57.800 a ton, literally bajillions and gazillions of interweb sites comparing this and listing 35:57.800 --> 35:59.720 them and reviewing them and stuff like that. 35:59.820 --> 36:01.460 And you can compare them side by side. 36:01.540 --> 36:04.820 This one, you know, another thing that they may limit you on the low end accounts is you 36:04.820 --> 36:08.780 can only have 50 email addresses and upgrade to the next one, you might get a hundred. 36:08.900 --> 36:11.700 So functionality may be limited on the low end ones. 36:11.700 --> 36:15.620 You may only get one database that you can use, but on the higher end ones, you're allowed 36:15.620 --> 36:19.880 five, 10, maybe even unlimited number of databases that you can create. 36:20.520 --> 36:25.680 Well, I think we should also mention too that, uh, because you are being shared on the same 36:25.680 --> 36:29.980 server with hundreds or potentially thousands of other people, you're also subject to what 36:29.980 --> 36:32.260 those users basically do with a box. 36:32.440 --> 36:38.980 I mean, uh, before in the past, we had a situation where somebody used, there's 75 gigs of data 36:38.980 --> 36:43.620 transfer within three hours and it pretty much melted the box and it took down hundreds 36:43.620 --> 36:46.040 of other sites just due to bandwidth issues. 36:46.620 --> 36:49.760 And that's, that's why you research these things because they are a mix to bag. 36:49.840 --> 36:51.000 You never know what you're going to get. 36:51.700 --> 36:55.700 Most people that are getting those shared hosting are people who just want a private site, a 36:55.700 --> 37:00.560 place to put their resume, a place to tinker and learn HTML or just play with some software 37:00.560 --> 37:01.500 for the first time. 37:01.780 --> 37:05.420 They're not usually, or they shouldn't really be using that for any kind of realistic hosting 37:05.420 --> 37:06.160 of any kind. 37:06.540 --> 37:07.100 Yeah, exactly. 37:07.100 --> 37:11.060 So, yeah, and that, and that person, I'm sure had his account canceled subsequently because 37:11.060 --> 37:14.840 he had used over what they had allocated him or expected him to use. 37:14.900 --> 37:18.860 You're only, it's kind of hard to enforce how much CPU or memory you can use because 37:18.860 --> 37:22.720 it's not really easy to cap, but if you cross that line, then yeah, they'll cancel you. 37:23.220 --> 37:23.460 Yeah. 37:23.620 --> 37:24.460 So you got to be careful. 37:24.580 --> 37:27.960 So again, we say this all the time, the show have backups of everything, but I digress. 37:29.060 --> 37:31.020 So that's a shared hosting environment. 37:31.020 --> 37:35.160 And again, they can put hundreds, literally thousands on a box, or in Yahoo's case, we'll use 37:35.160 --> 37:36.940 millions on a box. 37:37.420 --> 37:40.940 But of course, it's not one box, it's multiple server farms when you get to that level. 37:41.400 --> 37:49.820 But realistically, you can take one very high-end P4 dual core, I don't know, three, four gigahertz, 37:49.900 --> 37:54.420 whatever they're up to these days, a couple gigs of RAM, and you can easily host hundreds 37:54.420 --> 38:02.540 of sites on that, thousands if they're small sites like I described earlier, on one machine. 38:02.680 --> 38:07.240 So you pay how much money does it cost for one machine and start shaving that down at 38:07.240 --> 38:10.660 ten bucks a pop, that machine paid for itself and then some. 38:10.780 --> 38:13.720 That's how web hosting companies make their money. 38:14.260 --> 38:14.420 That's how they make their money. 38:14.420 --> 38:18.580 Yeah, we have a lot of people like, well, no, we have a lot of people that do that exact 38:18.580 --> 38:19.160 same thing. 38:19.660 --> 38:23.840 And that's kind of the next step I think we should talk about here is going from getting 38:23.840 --> 38:28.940 free hosting or single hosting, shared hosting for yourself, the next step up is reseller, 38:29.280 --> 38:30.420 being a reseller yourself. 38:30.800 --> 38:36.140 You're getting a dedicated server of your own, you're not sharing it with anybody else, 38:36.200 --> 38:37.040 you're getting a reseller. 38:37.040 --> 38:39.180 Actually, I guess it's kind of a misnomer. 38:39.180 --> 38:42.220 You can get a reseller account that's still shared. 38:43.320 --> 38:44.720 So I guess I should say that. 38:44.820 --> 38:49.780 You can get, again, you can get hundreds or even thousands on one box, or you can create 38:49.780 --> 38:56.160 two or three, four or five resellers on the same box and allow them to resell the bandwidth 38:56.160 --> 38:58.460 that they've been allocated to even smaller sites. 38:59.320 --> 39:04.020 Yeah, I mean, we have customers that, you know, they'll buy a box and then basically they 39:04.020 --> 39:05.520 divide it directly in half. 39:05.720 --> 39:06.860 They cut the box in half. 39:07.000 --> 39:08.380 And have two resellers on it. 39:08.380 --> 39:14.420 And then, yeah, they resell each half of the box for almost of what they're paying total 39:14.420 --> 39:15.140 for the box. 39:15.520 --> 39:18.440 So then those two people, yeah, they're making almost double the money just on that server. 39:19.060 --> 39:24.760 And that's, it's possible and it happens sometimes, but that's pretty rare to me because what I 39:24.760 --> 39:29.040 normally see is they're not going to be able to compete with the person they're reselling 39:29.040 --> 39:30.760 from for the shared hosting. 39:31.080 --> 39:32.560 So that's not quite so common. 39:32.620 --> 39:36.280 What's more common is what the run I started to say is where you get a full dedicated server 39:36.280 --> 39:36.920 of your own. 39:36.920 --> 39:42.460 So you get that Pentium 4 with all the RAM and all the stuff that we, that you want to 39:42.460 --> 39:43.020 set up on it. 39:43.020 --> 39:45.420 And we're going to go into some details about those in a second too. 39:45.420 --> 39:51.120 And you have that whole box and it's yours to control and maintain and keep up and you 39:51.120 --> 39:56.340 resell to hundreds or thousands of smaller sites and you make money. 39:56.580 --> 39:57.820 You're paying for your server. 39:57.940 --> 39:58.840 You're paying for your bandwidth. 39:59.080 --> 40:00.700 You're getting it usually somewhat of a discount. 40:01.240 --> 40:06.600 And the more you resell, just like any other reseller or pyramid scheme, the more you resell, 40:06.680 --> 40:10.600 the more people you stuff on those boxes, the more money you make and the more profit you 40:10.600 --> 40:13.600 make, because then you subsequently pay off whatever your bill is and everything left 40:13.600 --> 40:14.120 is profit. 40:14.760 --> 40:14.940 Yeah. 40:15.020 --> 40:19.180 And I think we should also mention, if anybody is thinking about being a reseller, keep in 40:19.180 --> 40:26.100 mind that you are being held legality issues to what your users put on the box. 40:26.360 --> 40:27.760 It is your box. 40:27.760 --> 40:28.260 It is your server. 40:28.260 --> 40:32.440 You are buying it and you are releasing it to other people, but that box is under you. 40:32.600 --> 40:36.840 So, yeah, if you get any notifications of people doing a legal activity, you've got to 40:36.840 --> 40:37.680 shut them down quick. 40:37.860 --> 40:42.560 If your provider doesn't shut you down and turn you in, I mean, I've been at work and 40:42.560 --> 40:47.120 I've seen FBI and Secret Service come into work to pick up hard drives for people that 40:47.120 --> 40:48.880 don't do what they're supposed to do. 40:49.180 --> 40:49.860 There you go. 40:50.600 --> 40:51.900 So, your liability. 40:52.140 --> 40:56.800 And that's also what you've got to look out for as a buyer of shared hosting. 40:57.200 --> 41:00.840 Try to go with larger companies that offer reselling. 41:00.920 --> 41:07.160 Try to go with big, well-known, widespread companies because you're usually going to 41:07.160 --> 41:11.540 get better luck with them because the smaller companies are resellers and their goal is to 41:11.540 --> 41:12.900 make as much profit as possible. 41:12.900 --> 41:18.320 So, they're the ones that will gladly stick you on a box that already has 999 other people 41:18.320 --> 41:25.340 on it and you're all fighting for that same one processor, that same one gig of memory. 41:25.340 --> 41:27.100 So, it's generally slow. 41:27.300 --> 41:29.800 You're fighting with contention with everybody else on the server. 41:30.640 --> 41:34.700 And sure, theoretically, the majority of users aren't going to be pushing the machine hard 41:34.700 --> 41:35.660 for their basic stuff. 41:35.800 --> 41:41.840 But all it takes is one and the other 999 on that box to get absolutely plastered in the 41:41.840 --> 41:43.180 scenario that you described earlier. 41:43.300 --> 41:44.520 One person took down the whole box. 41:44.600 --> 41:45.560 Everybody's sight went down. 41:46.100 --> 41:46.200 Yeah. 41:46.200 --> 41:48.860 So, do your research and be careful when you go with resellers. 41:50.020 --> 41:53.720 So, the next step, and now we're going to go into a little bit more detail about what 41:53.720 --> 41:58.260 you're getting and what your cost and hardware software and sort of, et cetera, is the next 41:58.260 --> 42:01.660 step up will be to get a dedicated server of your own. 42:02.100 --> 42:07.100 You can, in turn, become a reseller yourself if you want and share that kind of stuff out. 42:07.100 --> 42:11.740 But if you're hosting, if you're looking for a dedicated server, it's usually, and for 42:11.740 --> 42:14.200 people like us, and I think the listeners of our show, it's because they want it for 42:14.200 --> 42:14.940 their own reasons. 42:15.460 --> 42:20.060 Maybe their sites are so big or they need so much disk space or bandwidth that they can't 42:20.060 --> 42:21.780 find shared hosting within those parameters. 42:22.580 --> 42:24.980 You're not going to find shared hosting for $5 or $10. 42:25.320 --> 42:27.720 It's just going to give you a terabyte of bandwidth. 42:27.900 --> 42:29.020 It's just not going to happen. 42:29.380 --> 42:29.760 No, no. 42:29.760 --> 42:32.260 But actually, that's another thing to warn. 42:32.320 --> 42:35.020 There's a lot of places that say unlimited. 42:36.000 --> 42:40.620 Actually, a friend of mine, Dothra, who was on the show quite a while back, had a little 42:40.620 --> 42:41.300 segment on the show. 42:41.820 --> 42:45.280 She had some problems where she went over to the site and it said unlimited number of 42:45.280 --> 42:45.720 databases. 42:46.020 --> 42:49.100 And she went out there and started creating them, and it stopped her at $22. 42:49.100 --> 42:50.880 I don't know what the significance of that was. 42:51.420 --> 42:52.640 So, she called and raised hell. 42:52.740 --> 42:54.180 How do you, you know, you said it was unlimited. 42:54.320 --> 42:55.380 What the fuck, you know? 42:55.980 --> 42:59.740 They say unlimited because they know most people are never going to try to get $22 or 42:59.740 --> 43:01.020 more databases on there. 43:01.820 --> 43:02.880 Was it a dedicated box? 43:03.160 --> 43:07.180 No, this was a reselling situation, but the reseller said it was unlimited. 43:07.560 --> 43:09.260 Or they'll offer you unlimited bandwidth. 43:10.140 --> 43:11.360 It's one of two scenarios. 43:11.480 --> 43:13.060 Either one, it's not really unlimited. 43:13.440 --> 43:16.300 They've got an artificial limit in there that when you hit it, it'll shut down. 43:16.460 --> 43:22.640 Or B, it's throttled so that it goes so freaking slow that you'll never even be able to hit 43:22.640 --> 43:25.180 any kind of large bandwidth numbers anyway. 43:25.500 --> 43:26.820 So, there's always gimmicks to everything. 43:26.940 --> 43:28.280 Always question that sort of stuff. 43:28.280 --> 43:36.440 And go into our forums at binrev.com and discuss some of your good and bad, I don't know, 43:36.540 --> 43:38.700 experiences with different hosting companies. 43:39.740 --> 43:41.780 But anyway, back to dedicated server. 43:41.900 --> 43:46.780 Now, buying a dedicated server, actually, you know, before we do into that, I guess I should 43:46.780 --> 43:49.160 say also related to that, is co-location. 43:49.160 --> 43:55.420 And why don't you explain the difference between a dedicated box versus a co-located box? 43:56.320 --> 43:56.600 Okay. 43:56.600 --> 44:03.360 When you get a dedicated box, you call whatever provider or host or whatever you're going to go with. 44:03.860 --> 44:08.400 And they'll quote you a price or if they already have what they call instant activation servers. 44:08.800 --> 44:10.640 Say, okay, this server I want now. 44:10.920 --> 44:11.740 And then you order it. 44:12.300 --> 44:16.540 Ma'am, immediately they send you an email with the credentials that you need to log into the box. 44:16.540 --> 44:18.580 And you go ahead and log in. 44:18.780 --> 44:19.640 That is your box. 44:19.800 --> 44:21.320 I mean, you're the only one on there. 44:23.040 --> 44:24.320 That's the name, dedicated. 44:24.580 --> 44:25.740 It's dedicated to you. 44:25.840 --> 44:26.920 It's your dedicated server. 44:27.600 --> 44:31.800 It's basically a server that you're leasing from them. 44:32.500 --> 44:39.320 However, like a true colo box is, say, there's a host out there saying, okay, you know, bring your box in. 44:39.360 --> 44:40.860 So you've got your own server at your house. 44:41.140 --> 44:43.900 Put whatever hardware, whatever shit you need into it, right? 44:44.260 --> 44:45.300 You take it to this place. 44:46.020 --> 44:47.060 You know, you sign up. 44:47.340 --> 44:51.160 Basically, what you're going to be paying for is power and data transfer. 44:51.600 --> 44:51.960 Right. 44:52.260 --> 44:54.200 You're using their power and their data transfer. 44:54.420 --> 44:55.020 That's what you want. 44:55.080 --> 44:55.900 That's what you're paying for. 44:56.040 --> 44:56.500 That's pretty much it. 44:56.500 --> 44:57.520 Put your server in there. 44:57.760 --> 44:58.660 They never touch with it. 44:58.720 --> 45:00.540 They never go fuck with it. 45:00.580 --> 45:07.180 It's locked in a cage that you have a key to or a badge that you can swipe in and out, and you get access to your own box. 45:07.940 --> 45:10.940 And, yeah, you manage everything yourself, hardware, everything. 45:11.300 --> 45:12.360 I mean, that's complete yours. 45:12.740 --> 45:14.960 They're just providing you power and bandwidth. 45:15.100 --> 45:15.480 That's it. 45:15.480 --> 45:17.660 And that's going to vary somewhat. 45:18.520 --> 45:19.700 Like, for example, some place. 45:19.780 --> 45:26.480 Actually, I think most places will reboot your box for you as part of their service as a co-located box if you call and authorize them. 45:26.500 --> 45:30.020 Some places do not keep it in a nice cage with a locket key. 45:30.020 --> 45:31.720 They stick it on a shelf somewhere. 45:31.720 --> 45:34.520 You know, so that's going to vary. 45:34.640 --> 45:36.700 You get what you pay for when it comes to that situation. 45:37.320 --> 45:38.400 But it's the exact same thing. 45:38.480 --> 45:40.980 In both cases, it's a box dedicated to you. 45:41.060 --> 45:43.780 The only difference is the co-located one is your hardware. 45:43.860 --> 45:46.780 And a lot of us have lots of machines laying around. 45:46.840 --> 45:51.040 We don't want to go get one from a hosting company if we've already got one laying next to us. 45:51.040 --> 46:00.620 Or you might want to buy, like, an uber-powerful high-end box and you're in charge of all your own hardware and you don't have to worry about upgrades and things like that, which we're going to talk about in a second. 46:01.100 --> 46:10.580 Well, the drawback to that, unfortunately, is that if something fails, if your hardware goes down, if your hard drive crashes, it's your hard drive in a co-located situation. 46:10.740 --> 46:12.720 You're the one that has to fix it. 46:12.720 --> 46:24.160 So you'll have to drive in there to take care of your box and maintain it hardware-wise, whereas with the dedicated hosting that you get, you're basically leasing a box from them. 46:24.800 --> 46:31.320 And in most cases, again, make sure you read and make sure you ask questions about this up front, but in most cases, it's their system. 46:31.460 --> 46:32.220 It's their hardware. 46:32.380 --> 46:37.380 And if your hard drive fails, part of what you pay for is them replacing the hardware. 46:37.380 --> 46:41.960 So if the hard drive fails, they will replace it with a new one. 46:41.960 --> 46:47.000 They can't necessarily replace your data, you know, so make sure you have backups. 46:47.160 --> 46:52.360 Once again, we say that on the show, but they will replace hardware problems of any kind. 46:53.380 --> 46:58.500 That's why you should have, at the least, weekly backups on your own home server. 46:58.760 --> 46:59.120 Right. 46:59.760 --> 47:03.420 Well, whatever matches the data that you're doing with it. 47:03.420 --> 47:05.160 And I think you made a good point about this earlier. 47:05.660 --> 47:09.760 When you're picking stuff like this, you have to take into consideration what are you going to use the box for. 47:09.760 --> 47:20.800 Yeah, I mean, exactly, like, if you're a business, I mean, you're going to decide your business needs, like, let's just take, for example, like, hard drives. 47:21.120 --> 47:26.800 If you've got a site that, you know, you're running your own personal site, you can just have, like, an IDE drive or whatever. 47:27.040 --> 47:27.720 That'd be fine. 47:27.720 --> 47:39.180 But if you're going to do, like, some really extensive database work, you may be best to go with, like, you know, four SCSI's on a RAID 5 or something like that. 47:39.240 --> 47:45.340 SCSI with, like, 10K or 15K speed, you know, speed hard drive. 47:45.340 --> 47:50.520 I mean, you've got to take into, like, what hardware that you want in there to optimize for your business. 47:50.660 --> 47:58.720 Because, I mean, say you've got 20,000 people hitting your site daily and your site is driven off a database. 47:59.480 --> 48:03.100 An IDE drive really technically really ain't going to cut it. 48:03.100 --> 48:14.740 So, I mean, you're going to want something that is fast, can access the data quick, process it, and then spin it back at you, which SCSI's is, as far as I know, SCSI's are the best for that. 48:15.180 --> 48:25.200 And you may want to do something like a RAID 5, so if one of the drives fails, you still have a backup and, you know, everything is still running top speed. 48:25.360 --> 48:26.000 It's optimal. 48:26.240 --> 48:31.460 And backup services is something else that's usually an additional cost when you're getting a dedicated server. 48:31.460 --> 48:45.400 You can usually add on a backup, like sometimes a SAN, a storage network, or off-site backups where they automatically run a script and they will back your server up for you for an extra $10 a month. 48:45.520 --> 48:52.140 They'll give you 40 gigs of storage for backups only on their special storage area network or something like that. 48:52.180 --> 48:56.440 So, that's something they may offer you, or you're going to have to come up with a solution of your own. 48:56.440 --> 49:07.180 So, a RAID solution, backups to another box, maybe you've got another box located somewhere else, backing it up to your home computer if you have to, manually, whatever it takes. 49:07.940 --> 49:08.440 So, with that... 49:09.340 --> 49:23.300 Not only just that, but I mean, like, say, for example, like, say your side or your business, whatever, isn't really processor or hard drive extensive, 49:23.300 --> 49:34.840 but you have a lot of users hitting you at once, you may want to go with, like, a load balance solution where, like, you've got two servers basically acting as one, and they share the bandwidth load. 49:34.840 --> 49:38.840 Yeah, and you see, we're talking probably too much detail, though, for... 49:39.460 --> 49:44.620 I mean, these are, like, high-end solutions, and if somebody's looking at that high-end, they're going to have to do their homework and research anyway. 49:45.180 --> 49:54.920 I think I'd rather focus, like, our listeners are probably, at the most, looking at getting a dedicated server to host a site of theirs or to serve information or data off of. 49:55.300 --> 50:01.340 So, I think we'd probably stay with just dedicated servers on down to the shared hosting, virtual hosting, that sort of thing. 50:01.340 --> 50:04.340 But, yeah, there are all kinds of options. 50:04.880 --> 50:10.840 I mean, we could do a whole show on all the different things and discuss the pros and cons of why do this and do that. 50:11.200 --> 50:20.080 So, let's kind of go into some of the hardware and talk about what's important, and in specifically a hosting environment, 50:20.220 --> 50:30.780 what's important to do hosting of a website, web servers, and not only web servers, but media servers, mail servers, all the other things that go along with that. 50:30.780 --> 50:44.460 Now, just to throw out a generic number, I have seen dedicated hosting as low as about $50 a month to anywhere as high as, well, thousands of dollars a month, literally, 50:44.580 --> 50:46.960 if you want some of the solutions that Booter was talking about earlier. 50:46.960 --> 51:01.040 But, reasonably speaking, between $50, most common number is right around $100 to $200 range, and then sometimes some $300, $400, $500 range if you're getting a managed solution, which we're going to talk about later. 51:01.720 --> 51:01.860 Yeah. 51:01.860 --> 51:07.420 But, within that range, let's talk about what you're going to be getting for your money hardware-wise. 51:07.540 --> 51:14.340 Now, that's going to be the biggest thing that's going to determine that price is the hardware that you're getting. 51:14.340 --> 51:26.040 Obviously, just like if you go down to Best Lie or whatever your local lying piece of shit electronic store near you is, just like anything else, the lower-end computers are cheaper than the higher-end computers. 51:26.800 --> 51:32.440 So, you've got to break down and determine, and again, like what Booter said too earlier, what are you going to be doing with this? 51:32.440 --> 51:39.780 So, what's more important? Are you going to be doing like a lot of number crunching, mathematics, running a game server, things like that on it? 51:39.860 --> 51:43.360 Then, you're probably going to want something with a faster processor. 51:44.360 --> 51:49.320 And, immediately, you're talking about some like dual processor, maybe dual core with it. 51:49.680 --> 51:58.540 Sure. Dual processors, quad processors, dual core, quad processors, quad, dual core processors, four. 51:58.540 --> 52:05.160 So, depending on how end of a game, I would say anywhere 2 to 4 gigs, probably 4 gigs would make it run smoother. 52:06.220 --> 52:12.480 But, if you're just serving up, for example, static HTML pages, and I want to kind of speed up a little bit here as we're running low on time. 52:12.860 --> 52:21.700 If we're going to serve up just plain old static HTML pages, not a whole lot of fanciness, or even some basic PHP, Perl, any of that kind of stuff, 52:21.700 --> 52:30.760 at the low end of that range for around 50 bucks, if you shop around, you can find some very low end Celeron processors. 52:31.680 --> 52:36.500 You know, some 1.8 to 2.4 is the most common I see, Celeron 2.4s. 52:37.700 --> 52:40.360 Either, sometimes they'll come with 512 or a gig of memory. 52:41.120 --> 52:49.400 And, memory is important because it's going to, memory is going to determine how many users you're going to be able to handle on the system at any given time. 52:49.400 --> 52:55.460 That's when memory comes into play because everybody, every single user hitting that site is going to open up a new process, 52:55.560 --> 53:04.180 which needs a little bit more memory, and it starts to add up, especially depending on how CPU intensive it is, how long that process lasts, and how much memory it needs. 53:04.540 --> 53:08.820 And, that basically comes back to what we were saying and prompted us to have to upgrade to a new box. 53:09.200 --> 53:10.460 We had too many users. 53:11.320 --> 53:15.980 You know, we were hitting 11,000 unique visits a day, which is a lot. 53:16.640 --> 53:24.420 So, after probably 7,000 or 8,000 unique a day, which was a few months back, is when we really were already pushing our hardware to the limits, our memory to the limits. 53:25.040 --> 53:32.140 Mostly for us, it was memory because we're doing database queries, which can eat up some CPU time, but we're not crunching numbers. 53:32.260 --> 53:34.320 We're not pushing polygons and stuff like that. 53:34.320 --> 53:43.480 So, it wasn't so much the processor, but more the memory, and not only the memory, but the hard drive space, and that, I think, is pretty self-explanatory. 53:44.120 --> 53:45.760 You've only got so much storage. 53:45.880 --> 53:54.320 So, if you plan on opening a site like Booter's, where you serve up all kinds of bestiality prawn, then... 53:54.840 --> 53:55.960 Hey, I thought it was between us. 53:56.520 --> 53:57.940 Okay, we'll edit that out later, too. 53:58.500 --> 53:58.920 All right. 53:59.580 --> 54:01.600 No, but seriously, though, prawn. 54:01.740 --> 54:11.160 I mean, honestly, those prawn sites, I'm telling you, those guys are using servers with tons of hard drive space, tons of bandwidth, for obvious reasons, because everybody's looking for prawn on the interweb. 54:12.160 --> 54:15.340 Hey, can I take a second to print my non-existent site yet? 54:15.460 --> 54:16.860 My whole idea about it? 54:17.460 --> 54:18.220 Make it quick. 54:18.220 --> 54:21.600 Notourcontent.com. 54:21.900 --> 54:25.460 It's basically a thumb-up to eBombs. 54:25.760 --> 54:33.480 I plan on ripping videos, putting a strike through their watermark, adding my own, and reposting their videos with tons of ads. 54:33.680 --> 54:35.000 Yeah, isn't that what eBombs does? 54:35.600 --> 54:36.260 Yeah, exactly. 54:36.320 --> 54:42.060 Yeah, I don't want to get into that whole eBombs world fight thing now, but yeah, I saw you make that little joke in IRC the other day. 54:42.500 --> 54:42.620 Yeah. 54:42.620 --> 54:47.460 All right, so quickly moving on, disk space is pretty much obvious, makes sense. 54:47.460 --> 55:01.120 So, again, going back to that $50 example, you can get a Celeron 2.0, 2.4, 512 megs of memory, which is enough to serve basic HTML, static pages, stuff like that, or some basic PHP. 55:02.100 --> 55:08.240 Drive space, if you're going to be hosting a lot of images, movies, videos, stuff like that, you're going to need bigger hard drive space. 55:08.720 --> 55:11.320 Otherwise, for those low-end servers, they might give you 20 gigs. 55:11.440 --> 55:13.920 That's a whole lot of text, which is all HTML is. 55:14.420 --> 55:17.300 So, depending on what your needs are, you can get some very low-end stuff. 55:18.200 --> 55:25.880 And then the other thing that you'll see, and if you go out surfing on the interweb, comparing hosting, you'll see there's four main things that are listed. 55:26.360 --> 55:29.540 Processor, memory, drive space, and bandwidth. 55:29.580 --> 55:30.260 Network usage. 55:30.540 --> 55:30.980 That's right. 55:31.000 --> 55:34.080 How much bandwidth, how much network usage you get. 55:34.840 --> 55:39.420 And that's what these data centers are providing, and that's why a lot of these resellers come in. 55:39.540 --> 55:46.320 The first three things, all that hardware, I can go into Walmart and buy a crappy computer, but where am I going to get bandwidth from? 55:46.820 --> 55:55.840 Now, I can host it at home through my cable modem for a while until I get busted or shut down or whatever, but these giant data centers, and there's a lot of them in the state of Texas. 55:55.840 --> 55:58.400 There's a lot of them out in California. 55:58.660 --> 56:00.800 There's a lot of them, hell, there's a lot of them everywhere, frankly. 56:01.380 --> 56:09.500 But these big data centers, what they do is they work with the phone companies and lay these big pipes of bandwidth to connect to the global interweb. 56:09.500 --> 56:20.620 And then they're, just like we described earlier of sharing, they're sectioning off a certain amount of that to each user, or excuse me, to each machine, I should say. 56:20.680 --> 56:21.480 It's a better way to say it. 56:21.620 --> 56:23.520 And that's how much bandwidth they have. 56:23.600 --> 56:29.560 So if you look at some of these, again, on the low end of that server, you might get a couple hundred megs of bandwidth. 56:29.560 --> 56:35.860 And we're not going to go into the math, but if you're sitting there at home and you're curious, it's very simple math. 56:35.960 --> 56:41.880 Sit down and think to yourself, well, I've got a 300 meg file, 300 megs for, say, an episode of Hack TV, for example. 56:42.640 --> 56:53.020 And if three people download that, let's say it's 333 megs to delete, and three people download that, there's a gig of your bandwidth just from three downloads of your video. 56:53.020 --> 56:54.860 So sit down and do your math. 56:54.940 --> 57:02.060 If it's a 15 meg MP3 file, like Binary Revolution Radio, how many of those are you going to be able to download? 57:02.160 --> 57:09.600 And you need to sit down and decide what's your site, how many visitors do you have to the site, how many downloads do you expect, you know, and you're eventually going to outgrow it. 57:10.060 --> 57:16.320 And they do charge you, be careful, most of these will give you an allocated amount, but if you go over it, that's where they get you to. 57:16.320 --> 57:22.680 They will charge you extra for every, like how much is it, for example, it varies at a lot of places, Buter, but if you go over, 57:23.020 --> 57:26.120 you're allotted bandwidth, there's a ballpark range. 57:27.600 --> 57:30.500 Well, it kind of depends on what your business status is. 57:30.620 --> 57:37.500 Like, say you have like a whole bunch of servers, and you're paying the server company thousands upon thousands of dollars every month. 57:37.820 --> 57:38.680 They're going to give you a deal. 57:38.780 --> 57:43.480 They're going to, you know, they're going to bend their back a little bit and give you a deal for network overages. 57:44.060 --> 57:46.100 But I would say generally... 57:46.100 --> 57:48.760 For normal people, like, you know, that just have the one server. 57:48.760 --> 57:54.940 I would say maybe just a ballpark figure, a buck and a half to two dollars per gig. 57:55.220 --> 57:56.160 Two dollars per gig. 57:56.280 --> 58:04.260 So that's for each additional, to use our example, three more downloads of Hack TV above and beyond your allocated, you're paying two bucks for it. 58:04.260 --> 58:06.820 So every three people that download it, that adds up fast. 58:07.240 --> 58:07.480 Yeah. 58:07.480 --> 58:23.320 So you've got to keep an eye on these sites because if you get close to your bandwidth, you probably want to take it offline unless you want to get hit with a very big overage charge, an overage bill, which I'm sure some of our listeners, I know one in specific up there in New York, had a problem like that. 58:23.420 --> 58:26.840 So we won't drop any names there because I'm not sure if that's a sensitive subject or not. 58:26.840 --> 58:28.820 But anyway, we'll move on. 58:29.100 --> 58:31.080 So keep those kind of things in mind. 58:31.220 --> 58:33.440 And there's also, you know, it costs more. 58:33.760 --> 58:42.680 You can upgrade your bandwidth in blocks of 100, 200, whatever, or even go so high as what they call an unmetered connection where they don't measure it anymore. 58:42.840 --> 58:44.960 You're limited only by what your hardware will allow. 58:44.960 --> 58:52.220 So if you've got a 10 megabit per second card, then you could max that out all month long and there's no meter to limit you. 58:52.300 --> 58:57.900 So you could let that thing run at full download, full tier the whole month, and you're not going to get hit with overage charges. 58:58.340 --> 59:01.280 Your site's going to be pretty slow if you've got that much download going on, but still. 59:02.580 --> 59:05.360 Now, we're kind of coming up on an hour now, I believe. 59:05.440 --> 59:07.960 So let's quickly jump through software. 59:07.960 --> 59:19.960 So software, again, this is something we could go into a lot of detail, but I want to keep this focused on things that are related to hosting your own website, your own server, what kind of things are very common. 59:20.540 --> 59:23.780 And first of all, well, let's start with the operating system, of course. 59:23.860 --> 59:26.700 And as hackers, we all love Linux and everything. 59:27.700 --> 59:33.300 And when it comes to hosting, hosting is no exception to that. 59:33.300 --> 59:38.820 Linux is the platform of choice, and I don't care all you Windows people can write in all you want to. 59:39.440 --> 59:40.920 Windows certainly is an option. 59:41.220 --> 59:47.680 You can run Windows operating system for your hosting, but A, I'm sorry, it's just not as efficient. 59:48.240 --> 59:53.260 It has higher demands, hardware demands, and licensing fees. 59:53.500 --> 59:55.460 It's not a free operating system like Linux. 59:55.460 --> 59:58.240 So you have a lot of other things. 59:58.240 --> 01:00:03.560 And so we're going to stay focused on Linux because Windows adds a whole other layer of mess on top of it. 01:00:04.420 --> 01:00:05.300 And security, too. 01:00:05.980 --> 01:00:09.100 Well, and yeah, that's a whole other thing. 01:00:09.520 --> 01:00:09.700 Yeah. 01:00:10.220 --> 01:00:17.420 As far as Linux goes, I've used quite a few different flavors of Linux distributions on the multiple hosting that we've had over the years. 01:00:17.780 --> 01:00:19.720 I've never run into any problem with any of them. 01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:21.100 I'm not a distro whore. 01:00:21.100 --> 01:00:22.860 I don't get into the distro wars. 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:25.960 One's as good as another when it comes to hosting. 01:00:26.600 --> 01:00:28.640 Now, yes, you can email in if you have some. 01:00:28.700 --> 01:00:31.260 I'd love to hear if somebody has some other evidence to the contrary. 01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:36.540 But for the most part, you're doing only a select limited number of things. 01:00:37.160 --> 01:00:42.320 So as long as you're supporting the hardware and the drivers and everything are there, most distros are going to do that. 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.440 You're going to run a few different types of software. 01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:52.700 One thing you may or may not run, and if you've got a dedicated server, you probably are, that's a name server. 01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:53.680 You're going to run your own DNS. 01:00:53.680 --> 01:01:05.480 So if you're running your own name servers, you're going to be running Bind for the most part, and you're going to have to go in there and set up your IP addresses and everything, which they give you at least one IP address when you get a dedicated server, sometimes more. 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:11.320 So you're going to go in there and set up your own name servers, or you can just use your registrar's name servers. 01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:14.000 You can use anybody's name servers if you know someone else that has one. 01:01:14.060 --> 01:01:21.280 As long as it's going to route everybody to your box, to that IP address for whatever your site name is, it gets the job done. 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:29.740 The other thing, and obviously this is the first thing that probably jumps in everyone's mind, is your web server, and of course we're talking about, for the most part, Apache. 01:01:29.740 --> 01:01:37.860 Apache, the dominant web server application out there, and for good reason. 01:01:37.980 --> 01:01:39.400 It's a really good server. 01:01:41.200 --> 01:01:48.740 Again, if you go with the Windows options, you have IIS, but once again, security comes into play, and efficiency comes into play, etc., etc. 01:01:49.240 --> 01:01:51.840 Apache is the way to go under Linux. 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.900 There are other alternatives. 01:01:53.060 --> 01:01:57.280 I don't want to put any of the others down, but I'm just trying to keep with reality here. 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.820 It is the most commonly used, and again, for good reason. 01:02:01.780 --> 01:02:08.100 Another thing you want to run, and of course what Apache does or what a web server does, and I know I'm talking down to a lot of our listeners here, 01:02:08.220 --> 01:02:12.780 is that is just the application that serves up web pages. 01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:16.540 When somebody comes to visit your site, it knows where to find the information to simplify, 01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:22.700 and knows where to find what page to serve up to whom, and displays that, and sends that to that person's browser, 01:02:22.820 --> 01:02:27.940 that person's request for the page, so that they can view it on their computer machine. 01:02:29.060 --> 01:02:31.740 Well, then you have a mail server. 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.440 One of the other big parts of the global interweb is interweb mail. 01:02:36.020 --> 01:02:41.520 So, you're going to be running Pop, XM, SMTP mail servers for incoming, outgoing mail. 01:02:41.520 --> 01:02:47.180 Again, these can be, and this is another thing that will limit you on the shared hosting, 01:02:47.300 --> 01:02:53.740 because sometimes if you have a lot of email coming in, or a lot of users checking email all the time, 01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:58.640 like say a university environment or something like that, that can add up quickly and be pretty CPU intensive. 01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:03.160 Along with mail, you might be running a spam filter of some kind. 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:05.740 I didn't actually think about that until just now. 01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:07.520 I've got the hiccups. 01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:12.780 I almost thought that was going to be a vomit for a second there on the air, but it was just a hiccup. 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.440 So, I have the hiccups all of a sudden, because I guess I'm trying to rush here. 01:03:18.540 --> 01:03:19.360 What else are you going to run? 01:03:19.660 --> 01:03:19.980 Database. 01:03:20.100 --> 01:03:21.420 Some sort of database engine. 01:03:22.160 --> 01:03:25.400 Yeah, as much as I hate it, MySQL is the most predominant one. 01:03:25.520 --> 01:03:26.260 Let's be honest. 01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:28.100 Postgres, another free option. 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:34.120 But, truthfully, you can run Oracle on Linux, or, again, going back to Windows, you can run SQL Server. 01:03:34.120 --> 01:03:38.880 Or, DV2, I mean, we could go into a list of databases and comparing them, but we're not going to. 01:03:39.080 --> 01:03:43.400 But, suffice it to say, if you're running a LAMP type system, you're running Linux. 01:03:43.660 --> 01:03:49.620 LAMP, of course, stands for Linux, Apache, MySQL, and our next thing on our list, which is PHP. 01:03:51.060 --> 01:03:52.520 Or, some people would argue Perl. 01:03:52.640 --> 01:04:01.220 But, PHP, interpreter, Perl, CGI, whatever kind of language you're going to use to maybe manipulate data to and from the database we talked about earlier. 01:04:01.220 --> 01:04:08.340 Those are the main things, and that's why an acronym was created for such a thing, LAMP, because that is such a common configuration for people. 01:04:09.160 --> 01:04:11.180 And, again, you can mix and match the flavor of Linux. 01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:13.020 You can mix and match your database. 01:04:14.240 --> 01:04:19.060 I've set up LAP servers before, which was Linux, Apache, Postgres, and PHP. 01:04:19.060 --> 01:04:24.160 So, you know, you can vary for the most part, but that's going to be the most common thing that you find. 01:04:24.940 --> 01:04:29.060 Again, PHP is just the open source or the free, you know, the Linux equivalent. 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:36.360 On Windows, you would be doing maybe ASP, ASPX, all this .NET, hoojabajabajabujabajabajab. 01:04:37.740 --> 01:04:38.560 Spell that one. 01:04:39.220 --> 01:04:40.700 All this Windows overkill. 01:04:41.660 --> 01:04:44.500 Business environment, maybe it can do something different or better with it. 01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:47.880 But for, I think, again, most of our listeners and what we want to do with it, 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:51.160 quick, easy, fast, and efficient, you're going to go with some sort of lamp setup. 01:04:52.540 --> 01:04:56.380 And finally, under software, you probably will use it. 01:04:56.380 --> 01:04:58.920 If you're in a shared environment, you're almost certainly going to use one. 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.960 And even in a dedicated, you might want some sort of control panel software. 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:04.960 Now, what are some? 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:06.360 I know there's C-Panel. 01:05:06.640 --> 01:05:08.580 There's Plesk is another one, right? 01:05:09.160 --> 01:05:12.020 Yeah, I've used Plesk briefly. 01:05:12.020 --> 01:05:16.440 Personally, I like the Plesk GUI more than the C-Panel one. 01:05:16.520 --> 01:05:17.320 Well, it looks nicer. 01:05:17.540 --> 01:05:22.200 It's more straightforward as far as where things are, how things go, and stuff like that. 01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:25.260 Like I said, I haven't used C-Panel that much at all before. 01:05:25.680 --> 01:05:28.280 But what does a control panel do for you? 01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:29.460 What's the point of it in general? 01:05:29.620 --> 01:05:30.440 I mean, what do they do? 01:05:31.700 --> 01:05:33.280 Why are there so many of them out there? 01:05:33.740 --> 01:05:39.660 Well, it gives you more of a visualization of, you know, how to manage the server and stuff like that. 01:05:39.660 --> 01:05:51.680 So, like, if people aren't that great with CLI and doing everything that way, this gives them, like, something to actually look at and kind of manage the server that way. 01:05:52.180 --> 01:05:52.760 Well, yeah. 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:57.500 I mean, a lot of people, majority of your everyday user doesn't know the first thing about Linux. 01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:07.180 They don't know how to go out in there and add a user or where to put, how to configure Apache or where to put their files and all this different stuff. 01:06:07.240 --> 01:06:08.440 They don't know the first thing about that. 01:06:08.540 --> 01:06:17.040 So, what control panels do, and, like, there's N-Sum, there's Plesk, there's C-Panel, WHM, there's, gosh, there's really dozens of them. 01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:17.680 There really are. 01:06:17.680 --> 01:06:22.220 All they do is they kind of automate a lot of that stuff for you. 01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:23.320 They give you a nice GUI. 01:06:23.780 --> 01:06:25.180 Generally, they're web interfaces. 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:30.700 You log into a website through a certain port, secured, log in, username, password, and it'll have all that. 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.700 And there's a button that says, click here to create a new account. 01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:35.840 And it'll create the virtual host. 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:37.080 It'll create the home directory. 01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:44.040 It'll create the DNS entries for it, the mail entries for it, set them up with all the directory structures intact, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 01:06:44.040 --> 01:06:49.320 It automates a lot of the process that people, most people, don't know how to do on their own directly. 01:06:50.540 --> 01:06:51.580 Some of them are free. 01:06:51.740 --> 01:06:53.960 Some of them cost licensing fee for control panels. 01:06:54.400 --> 01:07:09.380 One of the things I didn't like about Plesk is it looked nice and pretty, but I found some of the stuff counterintuitive and where it was on the screens and more to the point, and I'll use Postgres as the example I ran into, it did not come with Postgres out of the box. 01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:15.260 You had to pay an additional licensing fee to get the scripts to install and manage Postgres easily through it. 01:07:15.940 --> 01:07:24.740 So they want to charge you for licensing to get it in the first place, and then they want to nickel and dime you on top of that to add the Postgres GUI icons and stuff like that. 01:07:24.900 --> 01:07:26.880 So experiment with a few of them. 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:31.560 We won't get into too many wars about those either, but they are certainly very handy. 01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:39.400 And even if you do know your way around Linux or Unix or we'll stick with Linux, like I know my way around there a little bit, but you know what? 01:07:39.500 --> 01:07:41.820 It more than pays off in the time that it saves. 01:07:42.220 --> 01:07:51.560 Sure, even though I know how to add a user, I know where the home directory is and to put the directory structure and where to install things and where to set the pointers and all this kind of stuff and the logging. 01:07:51.560 --> 01:08:03.560 I know where it is, but the time it would take me to do all that or write a script to do a lot of it, it makes it so much easier for me and saves so much of my time that I can automate that whole process as well. 01:08:03.560 --> 01:08:07.660 And the only other thing to mention in software is we're really starting to run. 01:08:07.740 --> 01:08:09.600 We've got another maybe 10, 15 minutes here. 01:08:10.100 --> 01:08:11.900 Actually, maybe 10 more minutes. 01:08:12.820 --> 01:08:19.780 The other thing I want to mention is that there are some software that even though it's your dedicated server and you're controlling and maintaining it, 01:08:19.820 --> 01:08:22.920 there's still some software that the hosting company will not allow you to run. 01:08:23.540 --> 01:08:24.560 The most common is IRC. 01:08:25.200 --> 01:08:31.760 They won't let you run an IRC, Damon, mostly because, A, it's constant ongoing bandwidth, constant connection, 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:38.600 but really more so because there's so many bad things going through IRC in the form of botnets and things like that, 01:08:38.700 --> 01:08:43.520 that they just play it safe and say, no IRC under any circumstances, period. 01:08:43.700 --> 01:08:45.240 There's too many attacks that go through it. 01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:47.060 There's too many bots that run through it. 01:08:47.180 --> 01:08:54.480 There's too much, well, I won't say there's too much, but there's a possibility of illegal activity going through it because it's a little bit harder to track. 01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:59.920 There's just a lot of reasons that a hosting company may make that decision. 01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:05.940 And I would say even as high as 95, maybe even higher percentage, do not allow IRC. 01:09:06.740 --> 01:09:13.300 Another large percentage of them, maybe almost as large, 90% or more, do not allow you to have any kind of streaming software 01:09:13.300 --> 01:09:20.860 because streaming media of any kind, streaming your music, A, you get into legality issues of streaming copywritten music, 01:09:20.860 --> 01:09:27.220 even if it's just to yourself, and, B, it's constant ongoing bandwidth, 01:09:27.360 --> 01:09:32.180 especially if you're running, say, a radio station like we do where it's constantly have multiple listeners to it. 01:09:32.820 --> 01:09:35.460 It's constant bandwidth going out of your server as well. 01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:38.840 So even if you do stay within your limits, it's a constant pull on the bandwidth, 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:43.440 and it may be affecting other people onto your same switch, your same networking equipment, 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:48.520 could tax them as well if they're overselling what they've got there. 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:50.300 Yeah, I kind of mentioned this earlier. 01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:55.600 Like when we talked about as far as like if you want to be a reseller, you know, like a host reseller or whatever, 01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:59.440 you've got to watch what your users are doing. 01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:01.980 You know, I mean, you've got to watch because you're held liable, 01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:07.120 and that's where kind of all this comes to with like illegal activity and, you know. 01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:08.640 Well, and you have to support it. 01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:09.880 Yeah, exactly. 01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:10.880 You have to support them. 01:10:11.020 --> 01:10:16.560 I mean, if they call and they say, oh, I can't figure out how to create a mail account or something like that, 01:10:16.580 --> 01:10:18.500 you have to help and do all that kind of stuff, 01:10:18.780 --> 01:10:23.480 which is one of the reasons that we haven't been reselling any of our bandwidth or any of our, you know, 01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:28.700 we could do reselling on our dedicated server, but we don't because, A, I'm not about making money on it, 01:10:28.700 --> 01:10:33.360 and, B, I don't have the time to support it, and now, C, we don't have the resources. 01:10:33.540 --> 01:10:35.580 We use that entire box and then some. 01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.180 So you have to support that stuff. 01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:43.720 So even now, the friends of, you know, we have friends in the community whose sites that we host and we support, 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:48.620 for example, Zerl, but I told Zerl up front, hey, we'll host you for free gladly. 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.640 I love having you on, having the support, you know. 01:10:50.700 --> 01:10:57.380 You're my dog for years now, but don't call me at 4 in the morning because you can't figure out how to do this or that. 01:10:57.820 --> 01:11:02.380 So, but for the most part, the people that we have running their sites or we're hosting for them know what they're talking about, 01:11:02.440 --> 01:11:03.460 know what they're doing anyway. 01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:04.320 Yeah. 01:11:04.360 --> 01:11:05.500 So for the most part, we're all good. 01:11:05.580 --> 01:11:06.520 But anyway, I digress. 01:11:07.480 --> 01:11:11.560 The only other thing worth mentioning here towards the end is management. 01:11:12.040 --> 01:11:14.660 And I kind of alluded to it earlier, so we don't have to spend too much time, 01:11:14.780 --> 01:11:17.820 but generally when you get a dedicated server, it's unmanaged, 01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:21.860 which means it's your dedicated server and the prices are a little bit lower, 01:11:21.980 --> 01:11:23.780 but that's because you're doing everything yourself. 01:11:23.780 --> 01:11:26.220 If you fuck it up, you're fucked. 01:11:26.700 --> 01:11:31.160 If you screw the whole thing up, the most that you'll get them to do for you is wipe it 01:11:31.160 --> 01:11:34.400 and restore their image right back to the drive to get you where you started from. 01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:38.440 So if you didn't have your backup or whatever, it's all on you to handle it. 01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:41.020 And a control panel software will help and all that kind of stuff, 01:11:41.140 --> 01:11:44.980 but it's still a little bit bigger of a risk versus managed hosting, 01:11:45.380 --> 01:11:47.500 which is what we have switched to now. 01:11:47.500 --> 01:11:51.420 But managed hosting has some nuances to it as well. 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.100 First of all, very, very common with managed hosting, 01:11:55.540 --> 01:11:57.840 you may not get root access to your own box. 01:11:57.940 --> 01:11:58.660 Sure, it's yours. 01:11:58.860 --> 01:11:59.960 It's dedicated to you. 01:12:00.040 --> 01:12:03.600 But when you get management, the majority of companies say, 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.560 all right, we will manage your dedicated server for you, 01:12:06.780 --> 01:12:09.140 but leave it the fuck alone. 01:12:09.380 --> 01:12:13.420 We're not giving you root access to it because we don't want you to screw it up 01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:16.000 and then come to us to fix it all the time. 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.140 So they usually will not give you root access on managed hosting. 01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.460 So you want to watch for somebody who does, 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:24.320 which is something we were looking for as well. 01:12:25.040 --> 01:12:26.240 And that makes common sense. 01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:26.920 I think that's fair. 01:12:27.040 --> 01:12:28.340 I realize why they might do that. 01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:30.680 I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that really screw stuff up 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.460 and then expect them to work miracles with it sometimes. 01:12:34.320 --> 01:12:38.480 Yeah, having them spend six hours on shit, they shouldn't be. 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:39.460 Right, right. 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:43.740 And the other thing to keep in mind is some of them, as managed hosting, 01:12:43.740 --> 01:12:46.420 they will give you a limit to how many tickets you can open. 01:12:46.860 --> 01:12:48.740 It's not unlimited management. 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:53.660 They will only give you one, five, ten incidents per month. 01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:56.640 Sometimes there are unlimited ones. 01:12:57.040 --> 01:13:00.200 So usually they put that on there so you're not abusing it 01:13:00.200 --> 01:13:03.080 or asking them for every little thing like, 01:13:03.180 --> 01:13:07.820 please rename all of my HTML files to HTM or, I don't know, 01:13:07.860 --> 01:13:11.620 some stupid little, don't bug me with little stuff like that kind of stuff. 01:13:11.620 --> 01:13:16.140 So they'll put limits on how many tickets that they want to put out there. 01:13:17.280 --> 01:13:19.020 You want to look for one that's going to be unlimited. 01:13:19.220 --> 01:13:20.140 You may have to pay more. 01:13:20.240 --> 01:13:20.700 You may not. 01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:21.440 It all depends. 01:13:22.240 --> 01:13:23.960 And the other thing about managed hosting, 01:13:24.080 --> 01:13:27.720 some of them have very specific setups that they will manage for. 01:13:28.060 --> 01:13:32.760 Some places will only do management if you're using a particular control panel. 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.220 They're only trained and they only know Plesk, for example. 01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:38.980 If you have Plesk on your server or if you get a server from us 01:13:38.980 --> 01:13:40.980 and you want it hosted and managed by us, 01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:44.960 you have to use Plesk because long and short of it, that's all we know. 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.520 So if you have Plesk on it, yes, we'll manage it for you. 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:49.840 If you don't have Plesk, we're not going to manage it for you. 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.820 So look around and keep that in mind as well. 01:13:54.780 --> 01:13:56.160 And I guess somewhat related to this, 01:13:57.020 --> 01:14:02.780 usually you're getting hosting and management from that same company, 01:14:02.780 --> 01:14:06.500 but there are third-party companies out there, third-party management companies 01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:09.900 that will take your existing unmanaged server that you're doing yourself 01:14:09.900 --> 01:14:14.340 and you can pay them a monthly fee to manage your server for you. 01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:18.120 Now these are a little bit tricky and you need to be very careful with 01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:21.640 because sometimes these are some moron sitting in a shack 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.880 who thinks he knows Linux really well. 01:14:24.440 --> 01:14:25.620 And they're pricey too. 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.100 Yeah, and is pimping himself out claiming that he can maintain your box 01:14:30.100 --> 01:14:34.720 because he knows how to write a shell script to copy files or something like that. 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.880 But really, they don't have any experience. 01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:38.020 They don't know what they're doing. 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.200 So be careful and do your research with these type of companies. 01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:41.920 They're hit and miss. 01:14:42.340 --> 01:14:45.980 Find someone that has more than one, two, three people doing it 01:14:45.980 --> 01:14:49.780 so that you know you're not dealing with only one person 01:14:49.780 --> 01:14:51.160 who may or may not know what they're doing. 01:14:51.300 --> 01:14:52.800 Make sure they're not overextended. 01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:55.500 Do some searches for reviews on them. 01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:58.400 And give it a shot. 01:14:59.440 --> 01:15:02.640 Well, and the last thing I'll mention here is the content. 01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:06.260 And again, I bring this up because we started off earlier saying hacker-friendly. 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.120 Well, we're a hacking site. 01:15:08.340 --> 01:15:10.900 And of course, the H word scares people a lot. 01:15:10.980 --> 01:15:12.780 They don't understand or know what hacking is about. 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.000 And of course, part of the revolution or the main thrust of the revolution 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.540 is changing that mindset and changing the world of hacking to be something positive. 01:15:21.220 --> 01:15:22.540 Well, it's going to take a while. 01:15:22.540 --> 01:15:27.240 I think we're making some breakthroughs, but most places have content rules. 01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:30.540 One content rule that's almost universal, no spam. 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:33.600 No spammers, no spamming, no mass mailing, however you want to word it. 01:15:34.120 --> 01:15:39.900 No spam because that taxes resources and it gets them in trouble from law agencies, 01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:44.560 law threats from companies, just all kinds of stuff, reputation if nothing else. 01:15:44.940 --> 01:15:46.160 So that's almost universal. 01:15:46.700 --> 01:15:49.300 Also, the majority of places don't want to host your prawn either 01:15:49.300 --> 01:15:52.600 because that provides legal issues for them as well. 01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:55.460 It may be your site and you're kind of liable for it, 01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:59.460 but if you slip in some kitty prawn or something like that on there, 01:15:59.540 --> 01:16:03.800 intentionally or unintentionally, they can also be held liable and in trouble for that. 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:07.320 So most of them, once again, they could have across the board, no prawn rule. 01:16:07.320 --> 01:16:12.160 And again, I mentioned earlier about hacking, most of them have that catch-all that says 01:16:12.160 --> 01:16:16.160 no, quote, illegal activities, no hacking of the system. 01:16:16.240 --> 01:16:17.860 Some of them even say no hacking allowed. 01:16:19.540 --> 01:16:23.840 Usually, I won't say usually, you've got to be very careful with this. 01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:27.180 When I was searching around and every time I've ever gone to host BinRev, 01:16:27.220 --> 01:16:29.780 I've been very upfront with every hosting company and said, 01:16:30.400 --> 01:16:32.740 listen, here is our site. 01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:33.980 Go visit it. 01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:35.160 You're welcome to visit it. 01:16:35.200 --> 01:16:35.840 Ask questions. 01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:36.800 Here's what it's about. 01:16:37.160 --> 01:16:38.640 We do not do illegal activities. 01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:39.580 We don't condone illegal. 01:16:39.780 --> 01:16:44.500 I usually tell, not usually, I always tell people up front what the site is about 01:16:44.500 --> 01:16:45.940 and let them know what they're getting into 01:16:45.940 --> 01:16:49.360 and put them at ease that we don't allow certain things on there 01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:51.240 so they know what they're getting into 01:16:51.240 --> 01:16:53.500 and we don't have any blind side two months later going, 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:57.080 OMGs, you're the hacking site, and shut us down out of the blue. 01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:58.980 So we always tell that up front. 01:16:59.060 --> 01:17:01.440 So be careful of what they will and will not allow, 01:17:01.540 --> 01:17:03.680 what they define as hacking or illegal activity. 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:08.900 Some places don't mind that you have quote-unquote hacking content like ours 01:17:08.900 --> 01:17:13.960 as long as you're not hosting cracks, hosting wares, again, the prawn. 01:17:14.120 --> 01:17:15.080 You're not running spam. 01:17:15.200 --> 01:17:18.500 You're not running a botnet, that sort of thing. 01:17:18.500 --> 01:17:23.180 So some places, I'll say, not all, not most, 01:17:23.240 --> 01:17:25.540 but some places they don't have a problem with hacking content 01:17:25.540 --> 01:17:26.860 just as long as it's not illegal. 01:17:27.740 --> 01:17:29.740 And again, I don't want to go into a rant on this, booter, 01:17:29.780 --> 01:17:33.340 but I'm sure you can back me up that this is why we have rules in the forums 01:17:33.340 --> 01:17:37.360 and that we all enforce is because that's one of those reasons. 01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:41.440 I'm not going to get shut down because somebody posts a crack in the forums 01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:46.760 or some wares in the forum or prawn in the forums. 01:17:46.940 --> 01:17:49.660 We have rules against those, and that's really the reason why. 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.880 I'm not getting shut down over something stupid like that. 01:17:52.340 --> 01:17:53.060 Yeah, I mean... 01:17:53.060 --> 01:17:54.300 We get a lot of it, do we not? 01:17:54.380 --> 01:17:56.320 We get quite a bit of those posts, don't we? 01:17:56.900 --> 01:18:00.180 Yeah, I mean, you know, we've had to deal with this 01:18:00.180 --> 01:18:02.940 like almost on a weekly basis or whatever. 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:08.700 And, yeah, we deal with it in, I think, in a future episode 01:18:08.700 --> 01:18:10.780 that we mentioned at the beginning of the show, 01:18:11.120 --> 01:18:13.480 we may go into more detail about, but... 01:18:13.480 --> 01:18:14.120 Well, we'll see. 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:18.740 And you can also back me up that we've had several threats. 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:20.640 Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean... 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:21.880 Well, there are no details now. 01:18:21.940 --> 01:18:24.580 Let's not drop too much here, but we have had several threats 01:18:24.580 --> 01:18:27.200 about content people have posted. 01:18:27.200 --> 01:18:30.640 Yeah, I mean, you have posted in our top secret forum 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.140 like emails from other specific people 01:18:34.140 --> 01:18:36.940 that, you know, we've had to remove certain things 01:18:36.940 --> 01:18:40.260 or not remove, but hide from the public eye. 01:18:40.360 --> 01:18:42.580 Well, and in some cases, in some cases, 01:18:42.580 --> 01:18:43.840 I've also stood up and said, 01:18:43.900 --> 01:18:45.600 no, we're not going to remove that. 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:46.360 Exactly. 01:18:46.380 --> 01:18:48.320 You know, it depends on what they're requesting, too. 01:18:48.420 --> 01:18:49.500 I'm certainly not... 01:18:49.500 --> 01:18:50.580 Every email that comes in, 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.220 I don't like this thread because of whatever. 01:18:52.360 --> 01:18:53.400 Well, fuck off and die. 01:18:53.460 --> 01:18:54.900 I don't care, you know. 01:18:54.900 --> 01:18:56.840 But if it is something that is blatantly illegal 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.440 or blatantly a violation of our rules, 01:18:58.440 --> 01:19:00.500 then certainly, you know, we will do 01:19:00.500 --> 01:19:02.000 what the right thing is to do. 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:02.960 Yeah. 01:19:03.120 --> 01:19:04.420 So, yes, it does happen. 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:05.840 Do not think for one second 01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:07.360 that the BinRev forums 01:19:07.360 --> 01:19:10.020 is not a lot of work for our moderating team. 01:19:10.060 --> 01:19:12.260 And I hope everybody appreciates the work that they do, 01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:14.000 especially for all the bad-mouthing 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:15.580 that they get because of it sometimes 01:19:15.580 --> 01:19:17.700 when, why did you close my thread? 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:19.480 And why did you delete this post? 01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:20.920 And why can't we talk about this? 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:22.560 And you moved my thread! 01:19:22.820 --> 01:19:23.100 OMG! 01:19:24.100 --> 01:19:25.860 There's reasons for a lot of this stuff. 01:19:25.860 --> 01:19:31.680 I am out of Kool-Aid, 01:19:31.780 --> 01:19:33.140 so I think that signifies 01:19:33.140 --> 01:19:34.640 that we're getting to the end of the show. 01:19:35.480 --> 01:19:36.600 And I think that is pretty much 01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:37.900 a good wrapping-up point anyway. 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:43.960 So, I'm out of Kool-Aid. 01:19:44.020 --> 01:19:45.000 I hope I'm not going to hurl here 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:45.740 at the end of the show. 01:19:46.160 --> 01:19:46.740 Well, that's okay. 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:48.320 I just finished my last beer, too. 01:19:48.400 --> 01:19:50.680 I made it an hour and 20 minutes 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:53.520 without coughing up a lung. 01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.500 So, alright, we're going to get through this. 01:19:55.540 --> 01:19:56.460 How about some shouts? 01:19:56.560 --> 01:19:57.320 Why don't you go first 01:19:57.320 --> 01:19:58.200 with some shouts, Booter? 01:19:58.840 --> 01:19:59.940 Well, shouts to you 01:19:59.940 --> 01:20:01.420 for having me on again. 01:20:01.540 --> 01:20:01.980 Oh, well, thank you. 01:20:01.980 --> 01:20:03.800 For having me on 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:04.660 the first time. 01:20:04.740 --> 01:20:05.600 I didn't do it with you. 01:20:06.320 --> 01:20:08.360 But, shouts to Droops as always. 01:20:08.580 --> 01:20:09.620 Droops is fucking late. 01:20:11.220 --> 01:20:12.280 Oh, and I'm sorry, 01:20:12.320 --> 01:20:12.740 I'll interrupt. 01:20:12.820 --> 01:20:14.420 Droops actually has some shouts. 01:20:14.500 --> 01:20:15.520 He wanted me to forward 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:17.480 to Pyhack, 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:20.540 pound P-Y-H-A-C-K-N-I-R-C. 01:20:21.460 --> 01:20:22.760 So, and Droops said that, 01:20:22.820 --> 01:20:24.280 but I'll give shouts to them as well, 01:20:24.320 --> 01:20:25.480 to all the IRC channels. 01:20:26.720 --> 01:20:27.500 Well, yeah, I mean, 01:20:27.540 --> 01:20:28.860 big shouts to pound BinRev. 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.440 But, yeah, shouts to you, 01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:32.940 Black Ratchet. 01:20:34.040 --> 01:20:35.480 Strom, I talked to him the other day. 01:20:35.980 --> 01:20:36.980 Gave me some good advice. 01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:38.600 Cool. 01:20:40.080 --> 01:20:41.800 And, let's see, for me, 01:20:42.320 --> 01:20:43.180 I guess, I guess, 01:20:43.220 --> 01:20:44.460 as long as we're in the IRC mode, 01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.580 I want to give shouts to BinRev UK, 01:20:47.580 --> 01:20:49.640 and not just the IRC channel, 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:50.420 but in general, 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:51.860 I am very proud 01:20:51.860 --> 01:20:52.580 at the representation 01:20:52.580 --> 01:20:54.400 we have in the United Kingdom. 01:20:54.540 --> 01:20:56.160 We actually have a pretty good 01:20:56.160 --> 01:20:58.960 group of supporters over there. 01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:00.600 So, shouts to everyone 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:01.640 listening in the UK, 01:21:01.980 --> 01:21:02.820 and specifically, 01:21:03.360 --> 01:21:05.020 specifically to my dog, 01:21:05.100 --> 01:21:05.560 Nick 84. 01:21:06.700 --> 01:21:07.080 You know, 01:21:07.280 --> 01:21:09.160 it's just really, 01:21:10.020 --> 01:21:10.680 I've got to say, 01:21:10.700 --> 01:21:11.720 I'm so proud of Nick 01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:13.360 because he's a quiet guy. 01:21:14.040 --> 01:21:14.380 You know, 01:21:14.500 --> 01:21:15.680 he doesn't really get into 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:16.500 a lot of the drama. 01:21:16.500 --> 01:21:17.680 He doesn't get tied up 01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:18.680 in all these other things. 01:21:19.440 --> 01:21:21.860 Nick is like the silent assassin. 01:21:22.120 --> 01:21:22.300 Nick, 01:21:22.460 --> 01:21:23.800 if you need something done, 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.640 he is the man to go to. 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:26.820 He and I spent 01:21:26.820 --> 01:21:28.040 this whole past weekend 01:21:28.040 --> 01:21:29.420 getting the server move done, 01:21:29.820 --> 01:21:32.200 and it really would have been 01:21:32.200 --> 01:21:34.480 so much harder without him. 01:21:35.320 --> 01:21:36.240 He's always there 01:21:36.240 --> 01:21:37.360 to help out with a lot of stuff, 01:21:37.500 --> 01:21:38.620 and I really just 01:21:38.620 --> 01:21:41.060 couldn't give him bigger shouts. 01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:42.300 He's been a tremendous help, 01:21:42.380 --> 01:21:43.880 and one of our greatest DDP members 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:44.880 for the longest time. 01:21:45.280 --> 01:21:46.240 Nick and I have known each other 01:21:46.240 --> 01:21:48.300 for a long time now. 01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:49.100 We kind of were talking 01:21:49.100 --> 01:21:49.740 about it the other day. 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:50.460 We don't realize 01:21:50.460 --> 01:21:51.620 how long it's been 01:21:51.620 --> 01:21:53.040 since Nick and I 01:21:53.040 --> 01:21:53.980 have been working together 01:21:53.980 --> 01:21:54.420 on stuff, 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:55.820 so big shouts to Nick 84, 01:21:55.980 --> 01:21:56.940 everybody over in the UK. 01:21:57.940 --> 01:21:59.020 Our site of the week 01:21:59.020 --> 01:22:00.500 is, 01:22:00.700 --> 01:22:01.000 okay, 01:22:01.100 --> 01:22:01.460 I'm going to, 01:22:02.120 --> 01:22:02.800 I don't know if I've ever 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:03.540 used this one before, 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:03.960 but it's 01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:06.280 folding.stanford.edu, 01:22:06.440 --> 01:22:06.680 that's 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:08.620 F-O-L-D-I-N-G 01:22:08.620 --> 01:22:10.080 dot Stanford, 01:22:10.280 --> 01:22:12.720 S-T-A-N-F-O-R-D 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:13.540 dot E-D-U. 01:22:14.400 --> 01:22:15.460 We stopped doing 01:22:15.460 --> 01:22:15.980 the distributed 01:22:15.980 --> 01:22:16.860 dot net project 01:22:16.860 --> 01:22:17.740 a while back. 01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:18.900 We get it. 01:22:19.080 --> 01:22:20.380 We're not going to crack it. 01:22:20.420 --> 01:22:21.600 It's too fucking big. 01:22:22.140 --> 01:22:23.040 I think we've learned 01:22:23.040 --> 01:22:23.560 that lesson, 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:24.920 so moved on 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:25.960 to a distributed project 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:27.060 where I actually can see 01:22:27.060 --> 01:22:28.560 some progress being made 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:29.920 where it's still fun. 01:22:29.980 --> 01:22:30.600 The fun part is 01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:31.660 watching the progression 01:22:31.660 --> 01:22:33.320 as you go through it 01:22:33.320 --> 01:22:33.900 and watching everybody 01:22:33.900 --> 01:22:34.580 working together, 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:35.360 and you can actually see 01:22:35.360 --> 01:22:36.260 the team growth 01:22:36.260 --> 01:22:37.600 of working together 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:37.960 with people. 01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:38.760 Distributed, 01:22:39.220 --> 01:22:39.540 I mean, 01:22:39.580 --> 01:22:40.180 that thing's been running 01:22:40.180 --> 01:22:40.620 for years 01:22:40.620 --> 01:22:41.200 and we haven't 01:22:41.200 --> 01:22:42.620 exhausted 0.3% 01:22:42.620 --> 01:22:43.280 of the key space 01:22:43.280 --> 01:22:43.680 or something. 01:22:43.980 --> 01:22:44.320 Okay, 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:45.560 I think we have proven 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:46.180 that it's pretty 01:22:46.180 --> 01:22:47.120 freaking secure. 01:22:47.820 --> 01:22:48.080 Okay, 01:22:48.540 --> 01:22:49.420 so I'm kind of 01:22:49.420 --> 01:22:50.020 lost interest 01:22:50.020 --> 01:22:50.880 in distributed net, 01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:51.940 so go to 01:22:51.940 --> 01:22:53.360 folding.stanford.edu. 01:22:54.540 --> 01:22:55.480 Client is pretty, 01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:56.620 documentation is there, 01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.380 our TFM. 01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:58.660 Just download it 01:22:58.660 --> 01:22:59.540 for the most part. 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:01.080 Windows, 01:23:01.280 --> 01:23:01.940 there's a Linux client, 01:23:02.020 --> 01:23:02.760 but just download it, 01:23:02.820 --> 01:23:03.380 install it. 01:23:04.160 --> 01:23:05.120 Runs as a screensaver. 01:23:05.200 --> 01:23:05.760 All you have to do 01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:06.480 to configure it 01:23:06.480 --> 01:23:08.020 to join Team BinRev 01:23:08.020 --> 01:23:09.120 is our team number 01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:12.060 is 47389. 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:13.740 So in your configuration 01:23:13.740 --> 01:23:14.300 where it says 01:23:14.300 --> 01:23:14.840 team number, 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:15.640 you will put in 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:18.720 47389. 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:20.840 So anybody 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:21.780 that wants to join that 01:23:21.780 --> 01:23:22.540 or anybody that's still 01:23:22.540 --> 01:23:22.880 in the old 01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:23.740 distributed group, 01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:25.640 probably uninstall that 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:26.440 and put on the 01:23:26.440 --> 01:23:27.080 folding at home. 01:23:27.160 --> 01:23:27.940 It's the same thing, 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:28.500 a distributed 01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:29.500 number crunching, 01:23:29.960 --> 01:23:30.620 but the folding 01:23:30.620 --> 01:23:31.480 at home is protein 01:23:31.480 --> 01:23:31.800 folding. 01:23:31.940 --> 01:23:32.320 It's actually 01:23:32.320 --> 01:23:33.940 something productive 01:23:33.940 --> 01:23:34.840 and positive 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:35.700 that actually can 01:23:35.700 --> 01:23:37.180 change the world. 01:23:37.180 --> 01:23:37.460 I mean, 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:38.760 actually trying to find, 01:23:39.220 --> 01:23:39.880 searching through 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:42.120 these proteins, 01:23:42.240 --> 01:23:42.900 folding this DNA, 01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:43.960 looking through there, 01:23:44.100 --> 01:23:44.360 I mean, 01:23:44.400 --> 01:23:45.460 it could actually result 01:23:45.460 --> 01:23:46.300 in something like 01:23:46.300 --> 01:23:47.540 a cure for cancer 01:23:47.540 --> 01:23:48.700 or a cure for other diseases, 01:23:48.860 --> 01:23:49.500 finding out how 01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:50.820 the human genome works, 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:52.480 mapping out all this stuff. 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:53.280 So it's actually 01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:54.780 got a positive effect 01:23:54.780 --> 01:23:56.080 on society as a whole, 01:23:56.160 --> 01:23:56.940 not just in hacking. 01:23:57.360 --> 01:23:57.900 So it's definitely 01:23:57.900 --> 01:23:58.980 a worthwhile cause. 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:01.560 Email us 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:02.340 if you have any feedback 01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:03.560 on the show at all. 01:24:03.660 --> 01:24:05.560 Radio at BinRev.com 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:06.480 is our email address 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:07.540 and should be up 01:24:07.540 --> 01:24:08.280 and working any day 01:24:08.280 --> 01:24:08.840 now we hope 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:09.680 we're working on that. 01:24:10.860 --> 01:24:11.240 And again, 01:24:11.280 --> 01:24:11.760 I said earlier 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:12.260 we're not going to 01:24:12.260 --> 01:24:13.520 endorse any specific 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:14.640 company for hosting 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:15.180 on the show. 01:24:15.280 --> 01:24:16.080 We mentioned one or two 01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:16.980 only as examples. 01:24:18.180 --> 01:24:19.420 But if you guys 01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:20.100 have some good, 01:24:20.200 --> 01:24:21.080 bad experiences 01:24:21.080 --> 01:24:23.680 with some hosting 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:24.060 companies, 01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:25.320 feel free to email us. 01:24:25.380 --> 01:24:26.040 Tell us who you like, 01:24:26.160 --> 01:24:26.380 dislike, 01:24:26.540 --> 01:24:27.120 and why. 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:28.720 At least give us 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.480 some reasoning behind it. 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:31.180 Don't just say, 01:24:31.480 --> 01:24:31.820 you know, 01:24:32.060 --> 01:24:33.100 so-and-so sucks, 01:24:33.180 --> 01:24:33.640 I hate them, 01:24:33.700 --> 01:24:34.320 never use them. 01:24:34.540 --> 01:24:35.340 Give us some reasons, 01:24:35.340 --> 01:24:36.360 give us some examples. 01:24:36.500 --> 01:24:36.900 We're not going to 01:24:36.900 --> 01:24:37.820 slander and go out 01:24:37.820 --> 01:24:38.520 and bashing people. 01:24:38.860 --> 01:24:39.360 But if you've got 01:24:39.360 --> 01:24:39.900 experiences, 01:24:40.040 --> 01:24:40.740 we certainly would love 01:24:40.740 --> 01:24:41.260 to share them with 01:24:41.260 --> 01:24:42.000 everybody so we can 01:24:42.000 --> 01:24:43.780 tell them who to use 01:24:43.780 --> 01:24:45.540 and who not to use. 01:24:45.900 --> 01:24:46.680 So I know there's one 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.280 in the forums that 01:24:47.280 --> 01:24:48.540 people talk about 01:24:48.540 --> 01:24:48.940 quite a bit, 01:24:49.020 --> 01:24:49.660 but I'll wait and see 01:24:49.660 --> 01:24:51.220 who emails in to say 01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:51.500 what. 01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:52.940 And our closing music 01:24:52.940 --> 01:24:54.200 this week is from 01:24:54.200 --> 01:24:56.360 this young lady, 01:24:57.300 --> 01:24:59.340 is MC Fanatical. 01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:00.900 Now I kind of like 01:25:00.900 --> 01:25:01.940 just the word 01:25:01.940 --> 01:25:02.680 fanatical myself 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:03.200 has kind of got a 01:25:03.200 --> 01:25:03.800 cooler ring to it, 01:25:03.820 --> 01:25:04.900 but MC Fanatical. 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:06.620 This is a track 01:25:06.620 --> 01:25:08.500 called Mad Science. 01:25:08.660 --> 01:25:09.880 Is it Mad Science? 01:25:09.980 --> 01:25:10.440 Excuse me. 01:25:10.520 --> 01:25:11.160 I don't have my, 01:25:11.400 --> 01:25:12.320 I'm out of iced tea, 01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:13.840 I'm out of my Kool-Aid, 01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:14.680 so I'm running dry 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:15.140 here at the end 01:25:15.140 --> 01:25:15.600 of the show. 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:17.100 Actually, 01:25:17.260 --> 01:25:17.560 I think, 01:25:17.660 --> 01:25:19.060 I believe she either 01:25:19.060 --> 01:25:19.740 lives here in Orlando 01:25:19.740 --> 01:25:20.560 or did at some point. 01:25:20.620 --> 01:25:21.260 I might invite her 01:25:21.260 --> 01:25:21.720 to see if she wants 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:22.140 to come to a 01:25:22.140 --> 01:25:22.600 BinRev meeting. 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:24.080 So if you're listening, 01:25:24.200 --> 01:25:24.740 like a chick would 01:25:24.740 --> 01:25:25.700 ever listen to this show, 01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:26.960 if you're actually 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:27.300 listening, 01:25:27.420 --> 01:25:27.780 come on up, 01:25:27.820 --> 01:25:28.320 check out the 01:25:28.320 --> 01:25:29.660 BR407 meeting 01:25:29.660 --> 01:25:31.500 third Friday of every month. 01:25:31.500 --> 01:25:33.460 But until then, 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:33.720 Booter, 01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:34.340 anything else 01:25:34.340 --> 01:25:35.200 before we close up 01:25:35.200 --> 01:25:35.500 the show? 01:25:37.240 --> 01:25:38.120 Nothing that I can 01:25:38.120 --> 01:25:38.500 think of. 01:25:38.660 --> 01:25:39.120 All right, 01:25:39.200 --> 01:25:40.120 so we will tell 01:25:40.120 --> 01:25:40.740 everybody that we 01:25:40.740 --> 01:25:41.660 will see them next 01:25:41.660 --> 01:25:41.960 week. 01:25:42.360 --> 01:25:43.220 Same hack time. 01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:44.800 Same hack channel. 01:25:44.800 --> 01:26:14.780 We'll see you next time. 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:15.540 GND and tubes 01:26:15.540 --> 01:26:16.200 when I'm programming 01:26:16.200 --> 01:26:16.660 robots. 01:26:16.780 --> 01:26:17.180 It's all rude. 01:26:17.340 --> 01:26:18.320 It's not true. 01:26:18.360 --> 01:26:18.460 Hey, 01:26:18.480 --> 01:26:19.160 I don't expect you 01:26:19.160 --> 01:26:19.660 to buy this, 01:26:19.700 --> 01:26:20.520 but what I do have 01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:21.720 for real is mad science. 01:26:21.860 --> 01:26:22.340 Back off, 01:26:22.400 --> 01:26:22.560 man. 01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:23.880 I'm a scientist. 01:26:25.360 --> 01:26:26.280 Mad science. 01:26:26.460 --> 01:26:27.500 But my tool is a mic 01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:28.500 and I engineer songs 01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:28.900 I don't know 01:26:28.900 --> 01:26:29.580 if I like. 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:30.260 Mad science. 01:26:30.480 --> 01:26:31.380 Because I got a laboratory 01:26:31.380 --> 01:26:32.360 where I use technology 01:26:32.360 --> 01:26:33.560 and attempt to tell a story. 01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:33.940 Mad science. 01:26:34.300 --> 01:26:35.580 I can mix up a potion 01:26:35.580 --> 01:26:36.180 and get your head 01:26:36.180 --> 01:26:37.640 shaking in perpetual motion. 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:38.180 Mad science. 01:26:38.440 --> 01:26:39.360 Because I know the cliche 01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:40.480 and I'll blow up the scene 01:26:40.480 --> 01:26:41.500 with my Tesla Ray. 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:42.080 Eureka! 01:26:42.080 --> 01:26:43.340 I just solved the verse, 01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:43.900 but I don't know 01:26:43.900 --> 01:26:44.940 if I program it well enough 01:26:44.940 --> 01:26:45.360 to work. 01:26:45.440 --> 01:26:46.400 My isolation converges 01:26:46.400 --> 01:26:47.520 are completely out of touch, 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:47.940 but the world 01:26:47.940 --> 01:26:48.520 I want to hold 01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:49.580 in my musical clutch. 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:50.240 Euphony. 01:26:50.500 --> 01:26:51.340 It doesn't have to be 01:26:51.340 --> 01:26:51.900 the same play 01:26:51.900 --> 01:26:52.520 that story framed 01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:53.360 by conformity. 01:26:53.620 --> 01:26:54.540 I know sex drugs are rock. 01:26:54.740 --> 01:26:55.540 Love, cash, or glock. 01:26:55.620 --> 01:26:56.500 Like, do you think I care 01:26:56.500 --> 01:26:57.460 who's girlfriend you fuck? 01:26:57.560 --> 01:26:57.940 It's not new, 01:26:57.980 --> 01:26:58.460 but now I know 01:26:58.460 --> 01:26:58.940 how it's done. 01:26:59.020 --> 01:26:59.520 Who works with town? 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:00.480 An infection is spread 01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:01.400 to the underground. 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:02.240 Call me crazy, 01:27:02.480 --> 01:27:02.960 but I want to hear 01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:03.720 some weird science. 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:05.120 That's it. 01:27:05.160 --> 01:27:05.640 I want to hear 01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:06.520 some weird science. 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:08.720 No, that's not a wrap. 01:27:08.780 --> 01:27:09.520 That's a request. 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:11.740 Non-tentical ravings 01:27:11.740 --> 01:27:13.120 of a lunatic mind. 01:27:13.540 --> 01:27:14.200 That's fine. 01:27:14.480 --> 01:27:15.520 But my tool is a mic 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:16.520 and I engineer rap. 01:27:16.580 --> 01:27:17.540 I don't know what I like. 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:18.240 That's fine. 01:27:18.460 --> 01:27:19.340 Because I got a laboratory 01:27:19.340 --> 01:27:20.360 where I use technology 01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:21.560 and I tend to tell a story. 01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:22.160 That's fine. 01:27:22.440 --> 01:27:23.560 I can mix up a potion 01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:24.480 and get your head shaking 01:27:24.480 --> 01:27:25.580 in perpetual motion. 01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:26.200 That's fine. 01:27:26.440 --> 01:27:27.380 Because I know the cliche 01:27:27.380 --> 01:27:28.480 and I'll blow up the scene 01:27:28.480 --> 01:27:29.440 with my Tesla ray. 01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:30.240 Today I'm fearless 01:27:30.240 --> 01:27:30.920 because I've embraced 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:31.540 my own insanity. 01:27:31.700 --> 01:27:32.120 Laws marvel 01:27:32.120 --> 01:27:32.760 to just the common 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:33.540 system of humanity. 01:27:33.700 --> 01:27:34.440 Before I came to terms 01:27:34.440 --> 01:27:35.420 I get the finger to Freud 01:27:35.420 --> 01:27:36.020 and throw my back 01:27:36.020 --> 01:27:36.500 to the future 01:27:36.500 --> 01:27:37.480 like Christopher Lloyd. 01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:38.340 No method. 01:27:38.340 --> 01:27:39.400 I was a ghost in a shell 01:27:39.400 --> 01:27:40.520 then four from blue race 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:41.460 was my heart rate spell 01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:42.400 and I woke up in hell 01:27:42.400 --> 01:27:43.460 it was the same as before 01:27:43.460 --> 01:27:44.500 and my blood so dark 01:27:44.500 --> 01:27:45.480 through my core flopped floor. 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:46.420 Neither dead or alive 01:27:46.420 --> 01:27:47.040 a zombie walked 01:27:47.040 --> 01:27:47.760 with a car driving 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:48.340 around full cities 01:27:48.340 --> 01:27:49.640 when I got five stars. 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:50.380 Seems to me 01:27:50.380 --> 01:27:51.540 that each time I respawn 01:27:51.540 --> 01:27:52.460 on a little bitty bit 01:27:52.460 --> 01:27:53.600 of my sanity was gone. 01:27:53.700 --> 01:27:54.080 Regardless, 01:27:54.240 --> 01:27:54.880 my hold on life 01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:55.320 doesn't flip 01:27:55.320 --> 01:27:56.140 which only weakens 01:27:56.140 --> 01:27:57.400 the hand of my reality grip. 01:27:57.480 --> 01:27:58.540 So I had one part genius 01:27:58.540 --> 01:27:59.540 just so close defiance 01:27:59.540 --> 01:28:00.520 mixed with alienation 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:01.780 and you got mad science. 01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:03.500 But my tool was a mic 01:28:03.500 --> 01:28:04.480 and that engineer songs 01:28:04.480 --> 01:28:05.560 I don't know if I like. 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:07.440 Cause I got a laboratory 01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:08.380 where I use technology 01:28:08.380 --> 01:28:09.540 and it's time to tell a story. 01:28:10.180 --> 01:28:11.580 I can mix up a potion 01:28:11.580 --> 01:28:12.500 to get your head shaking 01:28:12.500 --> 01:28:13.660 in perpetual motion. 01:28:14.420 --> 01:28:15.380 Cause I know the cliche 01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:16.520 and I'll blow up the scene 01:28:16.520 --> 01:28:17.500 with my Tesla ray. 01:28:17.500 --> 01:28:21.980 No, no. 01:28:22.080 --> 01:28:22.860 I think people know 01:28:22.860 --> 01:28:24.380 about the Tesla death ray. 01:28:25.100 --> 01:28:26.660 I think people will follow. 01:28:28.660 --> 01:28:29.620 Nikola Tesla. 01:28:29.900 --> 01:28:32.080 He was a mad scientist. 01:28:36.320 --> 01:28:37.620 It was the death ray. 01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:38.980 What do you think it did? 01:28:42.040 --> 01:28:43.860 No, it never worked. 01:28:44.860 --> 01:28:45.380 Unfortunately. 01:28:45.380 --> 01:28:45.460 Unfortunately.