WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.760 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:16.600 and a fag pwned. 00:16.720 --> 00:21.640 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:21.900 --> 00:26.440 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.440 --> 00:32.460 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.680 --> 00:38.360 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.700 --> 00:43.520 Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.840 --> 00:47.540 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.880 --> 00:52.100 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.220 --> 00:56.280 You feel that rattling your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones. 00:56.440 --> 01:00.720 And NASDAQ leaves your fight on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.960 --> 01:03.500 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.940 --> 01:06.540 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:07.060 --> 01:11.620 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIFS, SIFS. 01:11.860 --> 01:14.200 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:14.200 --> 01:18.480 Hello everybody and welcome once again to Binary Revolution Radio. 01:18.620 --> 01:22.580 Episode number 187 on an undercover cop. 01:23.040 --> 01:26.700 Coming to you on February 20th, 2007. 01:27.700 --> 01:32.600 I am Stank Dog and I am joined this week with a new first time co-host. 01:32.760 --> 01:36.620 But long time friend, sort of kind of friend of mine. 01:37.340 --> 01:38.200 I'm just kidding. 01:38.300 --> 01:43.780 Actually, I'm very happy to have a friend I've known since I lived down in South Florida quite a few, 01:44.340 --> 01:47.300 quite a while ago to drop a little bit of docs that everybody already knows. 01:47.460 --> 01:50.900 From the FL 2600 meeting, Mia Flux joins us on the show. 01:52.120 --> 01:53.740 What's up my fellow hackers? 01:54.000 --> 01:55.080 Long time no talk, eh? 01:56.080 --> 01:56.640 I know. 01:56.640 --> 01:58.500 I was in seclusion for a while. 01:58.640 --> 02:01.800 I followed you into the brief reprieve. 02:01.800 --> 02:04.180 Yeah, well, real life happens sometimes. 02:04.500 --> 02:08.800 But anyway, we are on the show this week to talk about some interesting stuff. 02:08.960 --> 02:14.980 But before we get into that, I have a little bit of housekeeping to take care of. 02:15.640 --> 02:20.060 Actually, we should point out, you're not only from the, we met, I should say, 02:20.140 --> 02:22.880 at the Fort Lauderdale 2600 meeting many, many years ago. 02:22.960 --> 02:27.320 But you're, you not only attended, and I guess you still attend that on occasion, 02:27.440 --> 02:30.160 but also the BR 561 meeting as well, right? 02:30.940 --> 02:31.880 Yes, I do. 02:32.460 --> 02:35.540 So big shouts to them, or is it the GINREV meeting? 02:37.120 --> 02:38.720 It would be a bit of both. 02:38.720 --> 02:46.740 We started the grand tradition of finishing up the GINREV meetings at an Irish pub down the street 02:46.740 --> 02:49.020 and drink lots of Guinness and talk about hacking. 02:49.380 --> 02:50.640 So it works out pretty well. 02:50.980 --> 02:56.060 So you have the regular meeting for a few hours, but then it turns into the GINREV meeting, 02:56.140 --> 02:57.840 which I think is a hilarious thing. 02:57.840 --> 03:00.740 And I know that's Logosex and Tabiz, shouts to them. 03:00.920 --> 03:04.140 They're big, big proponents of Guinness. 03:04.200 --> 03:07.540 I guess it's a nice politically correct way to say it, to say drunk. 03:08.240 --> 03:12.660 Yeah, we'll be hacking around with a bunch of laptops in a crowded bar, 03:12.760 --> 03:14.620 drinking Guinness, talking about Snow Crash. 03:14.620 --> 03:15.800 Well, you know what? 03:15.840 --> 03:19.320 And actually, that was a pretty cool bar because I was down there in December. 03:19.440 --> 03:22.220 You guys bumped the December meeting back for me, which was cool. 03:22.680 --> 03:24.180 And that actually was a cool bar. 03:24.320 --> 03:26.360 It's a nice, it's really a cool place to hang out. 03:26.820 --> 03:28.660 And they don't mind us all hanging out there. 03:28.740 --> 03:30.240 Of course, we're all drinking and making the money. 03:30.340 --> 03:32.560 But, you know, we even did some geocaching. 03:32.560 --> 03:33.880 We did so much Guinness most of the time. 03:34.000 --> 03:37.640 They gave us, like, last GINREV meeting this last Friday, 03:37.740 --> 03:40.520 they gave us, like, a bunch of Guinness glasses. 03:40.780 --> 03:43.160 And before that, he's given us, like, tons of shirts and everything. 03:43.560 --> 03:43.920 Really? 03:44.120 --> 03:44.800 Wow, cool. 03:44.900 --> 03:45.060 Yeah. 03:45.600 --> 03:46.920 I think maybe we draw the crowd. 03:47.040 --> 03:48.720 People like seeing a bunch of hackers drinking. 03:49.680 --> 03:52.320 Well, we are an interesting bunch visually, aren't we? 03:53.580 --> 03:54.260 Oh, of course. 03:54.360 --> 03:56.460 You've got to love a bunch of people with beards, you know. 03:56.640 --> 03:58.120 Looking like Richard Stallman. 03:59.400 --> 04:01.980 Unfortunately, the beer isn't free as in free, so. 04:02.200 --> 04:03.560 Well, you know, what are you going to do? 04:04.380 --> 04:07.220 Well, in the housekeeping, though, I've got a couple of things I wanted to talk about. 04:07.340 --> 04:10.700 First of all, I finally got around to updating DocDroppers. 04:11.720 --> 04:14.060 DocDroppers.org, of course, is powered by MediaWiki. 04:14.060 --> 04:19.220 And we were several, several versions behind only because we hadn't gotten around to updating it. 04:19.720 --> 04:23.460 It still worked and everything, so it's not like it was causing any real problems. 04:23.640 --> 04:24.920 It was just old. 04:25.020 --> 04:29.760 It didn't have some of the functionality we wanted and specifically some anti-spamming stuff. 04:29.860 --> 04:36.160 We were getting a lot of articles thrown out there by bots that were throwing out their links and Invisalinks and whatnot. 04:36.480 --> 04:39.540 So I was having to go out there manually and clear those up. 04:40.520 --> 04:42.780 So it's good to upgrade it. 04:42.780 --> 04:50.860 And hopefully that will cut down on that quite a bit, as well as give us some new functionality and new ways to organize and link things together. 04:51.160 --> 04:54.760 So be looking for some updates, hopefully, to that in the future. 04:54.840 --> 05:00.000 And if anybody wants to go add articles, of course, DocDroppers is our hacking library, so to speak. 05:00.000 --> 05:14.440 We want to get a bunch of documents out there, make that a central location that's searchable, that's keyword sortable, that people can go out there and find hacking information, whether it's old, old text files to new articles that are written. 05:14.440 --> 05:24.020 And I wish people would get in the habit of just when they release an article, go also release it and put it on DocDroppers at the same time or shortly thereafter, whatever they want to do. 05:24.020 --> 05:27.140 And that way it will be one location that you can always go to. 05:27.140 --> 05:34.220 And we'll gladly let people deep link directly to their articles and stuff like that so they can put it from their blog or their site or whatever. 05:34.440 --> 05:38.500 But people that come to the site directly and want to search for articles can find things as well. 05:38.720 --> 05:42.340 So that is the idea behind the whole thing. 05:42.420 --> 05:44.280 So hopefully some people will contribute to that. 05:44.280 --> 05:46.800 Now, we did lose the skin in the process. 05:46.980 --> 05:48.560 We were several versions behind. 05:49.260 --> 05:52.500 And the upgrade itself was a real pain in the butt. 05:53.320 --> 05:59.100 But when you're several versions behind, they don't tend to give you upgrade scripts. 05:59.220 --> 06:01.860 They give you an upgrade script to the next one version, maybe two. 06:02.420 --> 06:07.780 They don't usually give you upgrade scripts to like five, six versions behind or 17 or whatever we were. 06:08.340 --> 06:11.880 So it took a little bit longer than most upgrades would take. 06:11.880 --> 06:12.940 But it seems to be working. 06:13.040 --> 06:13.980 We just lost our skin. 06:13.980 --> 06:20.260 They changed the way skinning is done, which is fairly common in different content management systems and software packages. 06:20.660 --> 06:24.140 So we'll probably be changing the skin right now. 06:24.220 --> 06:29.300 It's back on default, even with the thing that says click here to change your logo or something like that. 06:30.060 --> 06:32.300 But hopefully we'll get that taken care of. 06:32.440 --> 06:39.400 And the other thing to mention in housekeeping is that thanks to Enigma, our good friend Enigma has been doing show notes for us for quite a while. 06:39.400 --> 06:44.740 He finally has filled in all the blanks, fell way behind there in like season three. 06:45.080 --> 06:48.020 And throughout season four, he's been catching us up quite a bit. 06:48.020 --> 06:53.700 So we are down now to where we're like within the past five or six episodes, the most recent one. 06:53.760 --> 06:57.980 So like all of the old ones from 180 on back. 06:58.220 --> 07:01.820 Probably, I think we're up to 182 or 183 on the show notes. 07:02.020 --> 07:03.380 And this is episode 187. 07:03.380 --> 07:06.040 So we're pretty close, caught up on everything. 07:06.340 --> 07:07.760 So shouts to Enigma. 07:08.060 --> 07:11.020 And finally, you know, the Google Bottle, grab those and they'll be searchable. 07:11.220 --> 07:15.040 And people will be able to find the past episodes by topic. 07:15.180 --> 07:16.820 So that's a very cool thing. 07:18.020 --> 07:20.740 So, Mia Flux, if you will bear with us and help me out here. 07:20.740 --> 07:25.780 We're going to transition and do some listener e-mail, if that's okay. 07:25.940 --> 07:27.340 So let's do that now. 07:43.340 --> 07:47.920 All righty. 07:47.920 --> 07:51.900 And our first e-mail this week, let's see. 07:51.960 --> 07:56.360 This e-mail comes from DarkSource, who actually sent a very long e-mail. 07:56.480 --> 07:58.960 I just cut out this one part that I wanted to talk about. 07:59.980 --> 08:00.980 So let's see. 08:01.180 --> 08:05.700 That starts with, Stank, I heard you say that you disagree with a company's, quote, 08:05.800 --> 08:09.980 casting a net, unquote, to monitor corporate users on the network. 08:10.360 --> 08:14.820 You said that you think they should just target a specific user if they feel they are abusing the system. 08:14.820 --> 08:18.520 I agree with you, and it would definitely make my job a lot easier. 08:19.020 --> 08:22.300 However, I do not believe that approach is actually legal. 08:22.700 --> 08:28.340 As I understand it, a company cannot target a specific user, even if there is just cause. 08:28.760 --> 08:31.540 Every employee must be monitored and audited equally. 08:31.740 --> 08:35.380 If data is gathered equally on all users and an anomaly arises, 08:35.600 --> 08:40.660 the company then has the right to investigate a specific user in greater detail. 08:40.660 --> 08:43.880 Thank you, DarkSource. 08:44.540 --> 08:48.980 So, yeah, this is kind of an interesting one. 08:50.440 --> 08:51.660 It's kind of an interesting conundrum. 08:52.940 --> 08:56.080 And, Mia Flux, you probably know a little bit about this as well. 08:56.220 --> 09:01.660 But, like, what I had said on the show was that from a couple different standpoints. 09:01.660 --> 09:08.380 First of all, yeah, I don't like the fact that because one person in the office or in the company is doing something, 09:08.500 --> 09:14.220 then they are going to, you know, be logging my chat sessions with my mother 09:14.220 --> 09:18.700 or me checking my personal email on my lunch break or something like that. 09:19.020 --> 09:21.020 I don't like the idea of that. 09:21.020 --> 09:25.020 So, yeah, that's one standpoint of it. 09:25.160 --> 09:30.620 But not only that, I also pointed out the fact, and he mentioned it as well, he, DarkSource, 09:30.680 --> 09:34.640 I guess DarkSource could be a she, I don't know, but I'm going to pretty much assume it's a he. 09:36.540 --> 09:46.380 He says that it would make his job easier because if you're – it takes a lot of time to go through and parse through all of that data. 09:46.380 --> 09:52.740 If you're logging everything that's coming from the company, it's going to take a long time for you to go through and parse out everything that you want. 09:52.880 --> 10:01.180 So, from a job standpoint, from a time investment standpoint, you're going to have to invest the salary and the people to do that. 10:01.260 --> 10:03.440 You're going to have to buy software to do that. 10:03.680 --> 10:10.880 So, even from a company standpoint, that seems like a lot of overkill when you know that it's just one particular person. 10:10.880 --> 10:20.040 Of course, this is assuming if you know that it's one particular person, but generally, I think people have an idea who's doing what for the most part. 10:20.180 --> 10:21.840 I mean, yeah, that may be – 10:21.840 --> 10:22.860 Oh, yeah, I mean – 10:22.860 --> 10:25.280 It's a little naive, but – 10:25.280 --> 10:26.580 It depends. 10:26.720 --> 10:31.680 I mean, there's a lot of different companies that have layered monitoring and or blocking. 10:32.020 --> 10:35.620 I mean, I know in my company, they do a lot of content filtering. 10:35.620 --> 10:38.820 Like in IT, for the most part, it's open access. 10:39.000 --> 10:40.580 You can pretty much get whatever you want. 10:41.100 --> 10:44.180 But for a lot of the other users, it'll be locked down. 10:44.300 --> 10:57.720 And I guess some of the advanced systems will let you flag a bunch of different things like high bandwidth or, you know, like blocking MySpace and all the rest of the stuff off of saying, you know, it's like a social networking type site. 10:57.920 --> 10:58.360 Or YouTube. 10:58.420 --> 11:00.060 So, most of the stuff – what's that? 11:00.200 --> 11:00.600 YouTube. 11:00.880 --> 11:01.960 They block YouTube a lot. 11:02.020 --> 11:03.960 Anything that's going to eat bandwidth, they'll block out. 11:04.840 --> 11:05.080 Yep. 11:05.620 --> 11:12.040 I think YouTube might be the main reason why we're going to be switching from 2T1s to a SonicNet connection. 11:12.640 --> 11:12.980 Yeah. 11:13.780 --> 11:20.300 Get that 70 meg downstream so you can look at all the YouTube videos. 11:20.580 --> 11:21.020 Nice. 11:22.020 --> 11:22.680 Yeah, exactly. 11:22.960 --> 11:24.320 Well, I'm pushing for that, you know. 11:24.460 --> 11:26.720 Yeah, I'm sure that's how you're selling it or two. 11:27.400 --> 11:28.840 Hey, guys, we need to upgrade because – 11:28.840 --> 11:28.900 Yeah, I'm fine. 11:28.900 --> 11:29.460 Yeah. 11:29.680 --> 11:34.720 Yeah, we need to upgrade because I can't look at enough of these underage chicks stripping on YouTube. 11:34.720 --> 11:38.800 Because we all know that's – 11:38.800 --> 11:40.020 Yeah, I don't know if that'll pass. 11:40.140 --> 11:42.800 Yeah, that's – we all know that's the only thing that's on YouTube these days. 11:43.540 --> 11:49.380 Well, I just tell them it's like the Google Tech Talks or like the Yahoo Hackaday Talks and stuff like that. 11:50.540 --> 11:51.920 They don't block Hackaday? 11:51.920 --> 11:54.420 Oh, no, no, no, no. 11:54.600 --> 11:56.520 Well, like I said, IT gets free reign. 11:56.640 --> 11:58.420 It's like the bastard operator from hell. 11:58.760 --> 12:01.420 We've got the supreme power in the jurisdiction, so – 12:01.420 --> 12:02.420 Gotcha, gotcha. 12:03.580 --> 12:04.260 Well, but anyway – 12:04.260 --> 12:05.320 You've got to respect the IT. 12:05.680 --> 12:08.920 But I find – actually, he brings up an interesting point, though, with the email. 12:09.120 --> 12:15.540 I mean, yeah, it's easy to say, you know, ideally you're just going to concentrate on one person, but legally that may not be the case. 12:15.540 --> 12:19.640 So that is kind of interesting, and it's a tough situation for both sides. 12:20.540 --> 12:22.960 Well, you can run into a lot of legal stuff, too. 12:23.100 --> 12:34.280 Like there was something on Slash recently about how an IBM worker who happened to also be about seven months shy of retirement was browsing porn at work. 12:34.280 --> 12:43.660 And he got warned by IBM, apparently, well, this guy is denying that he got warned initially, and then he got warned again and let go. 12:44.400 --> 12:51.740 And, you know, it's funny because he was actually mentioning that there was a couple that got caught having sex on a desk in the office, 12:51.740 --> 12:57.120 and they got relocated to another office, and because this guy is browsing porn, you know. 12:57.120 --> 12:58.820 But it depends also. 12:59.000 --> 13:04.100 I mean, you've got to look at the ramifications and why a lot of companies will justify widespread monitoring, 13:04.240 --> 13:13.520 because if somebody walks by your desk and you're looking at porn, that secretary can file, you know, a lawsuit and easily get money for sexual harassment or working in a, you know. 13:14.720 --> 13:19.040 Right, but, I mean, if you know the person who did it, you fire the old dude for looking at porn. 13:19.600 --> 13:22.360 First of all, you're too old to be looking at porn at the workplace anyway, dude. 13:22.360 --> 13:27.000 If you're that close to retirement, wait until you get home, and then you can Viagra it up all day long. 13:27.080 --> 13:27.820 That's fine. 13:28.300 --> 13:29.980 Well, he claimed to be a sex addict. 13:30.200 --> 13:30.820 It was funny. 13:30.940 --> 13:35.880 It almost read like exactly like a factored operator from hell article that I read recently. 13:36.600 --> 13:40.480 You know, he's like, oh, you know, I'm a porn addict, so I can't help but look at porn at work. 13:40.980 --> 13:42.100 Everybody's a porn addict. 13:43.540 --> 13:44.860 Who doesn't like porn? 13:45.480 --> 13:49.380 But unfortunately that justification doesn't seem to work with most, you know, pointy-haired bosses. 13:49.600 --> 13:50.400 Gee, you think. 13:50.400 --> 13:51.280 I wonder why. 13:52.900 --> 13:55.480 Yeah, anyway, you know, there's no debating why they do it. 13:55.520 --> 13:56.560 We certainly understand that. 13:56.560 --> 14:07.400 It's just one of those things where it's – unfortunately, if what he's saying is true, and I would love if anybody knows for sure, anybody who has the legal knowledge that could email us and let us know, I really would like to know. 14:07.480 --> 14:11.180 Is there – is it – because I don't – I absolutely believe that to be the case. 14:11.180 --> 14:15.920 It may very well be true that you can't single out a person for some strange reason. 14:16.460 --> 14:18.780 You know, you have to monitor everyone equally or something. 14:18.980 --> 14:31.140 But if you have probable cause that somebody's looking at porn, like a secretary walks behind and sees it or something like that, I don't see why you shouldn't have the right to focus on that person and monitor what they are doing because they've been reported it. 14:31.140 --> 14:38.020 I mean, granted, you may have some people that are just being jerks and claiming – like I'm going to say I'm getting a fight with Neoflux. 14:38.100 --> 14:41.260 I'm like, yeah, by the way, he surfs for kiddie porn all day long. 14:41.320 --> 14:42.220 You should go monitor him. 14:42.440 --> 14:51.300 Sure, you could set up some false accusations, but it's better than everybody being falsely accused, which is what happens when you monitor everyone like that. 14:51.300 --> 14:56.780 Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where I realize the reality of it and whatnot. 14:57.000 --> 15:00.020 It's just – I wish there was an easy answer, but I guess there really isn't. 15:02.000 --> 15:02.640 Yeah, sorry. 15:02.740 --> 15:05.840 Like, I mean, you know, for the most part, they just block everything. 15:06.280 --> 15:11.320 So it's not even like necessarily monitoring where I work, and that's what I'm saying is probably the best approach. 15:11.820 --> 15:12.180 Yeah. 15:12.180 --> 15:16.420 It's content filtering in a lot of the cases, so you just stop it at the source. 15:16.620 --> 15:20.100 I mean, do you really need most of your employees to be browsing porn at work? 15:20.100 --> 15:27.640 And then if somebody goes beyond that point, then, yeah, like you said, like, I don't think you should actively monitor anyone unless they're a problem. 15:27.760 --> 15:32.020 But content management sort of takes most of that stuff out of the loop, you know? 15:32.040 --> 15:32.640 What are you going to do? 15:32.700 --> 15:37.780 Go to your, you know, sysadmin and be like, hey, can you remove the block on porn on my computer? 15:38.060 --> 15:38.260 Yeah. 15:38.260 --> 15:39.380 What people have done where I work? 15:39.600 --> 15:39.860 Yeah. 15:40.100 --> 15:40.640 Excuse me. 15:40.700 --> 15:43.460 I seem to be unable to get to my lollipro on now. 15:43.560 --> 15:45.200 Can you help me out? 15:45.200 --> 15:52.520 The younganalmales.com site isn't loading like it does at my house. 15:52.860 --> 15:55.820 See, that's a joke, but I bet you that exists. 15:56.140 --> 15:57.280 That probably, that site exists. 15:57.400 --> 15:58.660 Anyway, well, I'm not going to check it out. 15:58.840 --> 16:03.220 I'll just ping the site and see if I get a response. 16:03.520 --> 16:04.780 Yeah, sure you will. 16:06.080 --> 16:06.780 I'm not. 16:06.780 --> 16:12.020 The thing is, though, that also, just to put it out there, I'm not naive. 16:12.100 --> 16:12.900 I know the reality. 16:13.160 --> 16:18.600 And the bottom line is, and I think you'll agree with me on this, is whether you like it or not, you're paid to work. 16:18.920 --> 16:20.360 You get paid to do a job. 16:20.940 --> 16:23.520 You don't deserve to have access. 16:23.640 --> 16:25.080 They don't owe you access. 16:25.080 --> 16:41.340 If they ban you, like the content filtering you're talking about, or like, for example, NetNanny, CyberGuard, all these things, you know, we have people in school that get frustrated because they can't visit BinRev because it's blocked for its hacking content, or you can't get to all these different sites because they're filtered out. 16:41.760 --> 16:45.220 It is their network, whether it's school, whether it's work. 16:45.560 --> 16:46.580 That's their equipment. 16:46.840 --> 16:50.040 They are legally responsible for anything that goes through it. 16:50.340 --> 16:54.540 And from a productivity standpoint, they don't want you surfing the global interweb all day. 16:54.540 --> 16:56.900 So I understand that, and I don't argue with it. 16:56.940 --> 16:58.680 I don't disagree with it at all. 16:59.020 --> 17:00.120 That's really not the issue. 17:00.240 --> 17:01.400 I completely understand it. 17:01.860 --> 17:04.820 You know, it would be nice to hit slash dot in the mornings at work or something like that. 17:04.880 --> 17:06.620 That doesn't seem like a big deal to me. 17:06.680 --> 17:08.900 But I understand that, and I accept the reality of it. 17:09.220 --> 17:12.020 It's just kind of like I wish they didn't monitor us. 17:12.100 --> 17:18.080 The point I'm talking about is the fact that I don't like that I'm being monitored when I haven't done anything to justify it. 17:18.180 --> 17:20.320 You know, I haven't done anything wrong to worry about it. 17:20.320 --> 17:28.040 And if I do, you know, I get an email from my mother, you know, for an emergency or something like that, I don't think they have the right to see that. 17:28.700 --> 17:31.720 But hopefully that won't happen, and I don't know. 17:31.760 --> 17:35.560 But I would love if anybody out there has the legal expertise or knowledge, I would love to hear about it. 17:35.560 --> 17:41.120 All right, so email from Crux, C-R-U-X. 17:41.780 --> 17:43.480 Crux says, Crux? 17:43.560 --> 17:44.340 No, it's got to be Crux. 17:44.440 --> 17:46.340 Crux, hi, everybody there at BinRevRadio. 17:46.440 --> 17:48.940 I've been following your podcast since around 140. 17:49.820 --> 17:51.360 Of course, we're on 187. 17:51.860 --> 17:55.300 That was my gunfire sound effect right there. 17:55.780 --> 17:59.360 I need to find some gunshot sound effects and mix into the show afterwards or something. 17:59.360 --> 18:03.960 Yeah, that's a little bit too much like work. 18:05.060 --> 18:07.700 That's straight up Beretta right there. 18:08.760 --> 18:09.240 Whatever. 18:10.680 --> 18:11.160 Beretta. 18:11.320 --> 18:12.520 Boy, you're dating yourself there. 18:13.860 --> 18:17.900 Since we're on episode 140, you find your show is very entertaining and informative. 18:18.120 --> 18:19.160 Well, sometimes at least. 18:19.840 --> 18:22.280 I'm writing from Mendoza, Argentina. 18:22.640 --> 18:24.960 That is a center-western province capital here. 18:24.960 --> 18:30.620 And I am a few kilometers or miles for the non-metrics away from the Andes mountain range. 18:30.720 --> 18:32.100 The Andes mountain range. 18:32.200 --> 18:34.520 This is going to become relevant in the next lines. 18:35.320 --> 18:40.500 I was catching up by listening to episode 176 on Wilderness Survival the other day 18:40.500 --> 18:44.540 and started laughing out loud after Black Ratchet commented on the airplane accident 18:44.540 --> 18:48.920 of the, quote, Brazilian soccer team, end quote, on the Andes. 18:49.360 --> 18:52.920 Well, they not only weren't Brazilians, they were Uruguayans, 18:52.920 --> 18:56.600 but they also didn't play soccer, football as we call it here. 18:56.800 --> 18:57.780 They played rugby. 18:58.440 --> 19:00.620 You can find more information for the housekeeping, 19:01.520 --> 19:03.860 although it'll be a little late, I think, here. 19:04.520 --> 19:07.000 And he gives a URL that I'm not going to read on the air, 19:07.080 --> 19:08.720 but you can go to IMDB and look up. 19:09.260 --> 19:12.540 There was actually a movie made on this whole situation too. 19:13.920 --> 19:16.260 Anyway, my congrats to the whole crew there. 19:16.420 --> 19:18.700 Saludos from Argentina and keep up the good work. 19:18.700 --> 19:21.540 So, thank you, Crux. 19:21.740 --> 19:23.660 Saludos, bienvenido, I've been Rev Radio. 19:23.840 --> 19:24.960 Of course, you've been around since 140. 19:25.020 --> 19:26.100 You've been around for a while, so. 19:27.140 --> 19:30.260 Yeah, I don't know what I can tell you about these guys. 19:30.440 --> 19:33.680 I don't know if you've noticed it, but Black Ratchet's a little slow. 19:34.520 --> 19:37.920 Savant's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you know what I'm saying. 19:38.180 --> 19:42.240 I mean, these guys, you know, obviously their movie trivia is lacking. 19:42.380 --> 19:43.320 I'll just leave it at that. 19:43.320 --> 19:49.380 They've made quite a few movie mistakes between, they got Ferris Bueller and Wayne's World mixed up. 19:49.920 --> 19:52.260 I mean, come on, classic movies here, guys. 19:52.380 --> 19:52.900 And now this. 19:53.120 --> 19:59.580 They did get the half court and the Disney myth, like, totally, that was on, or who did that? 19:59.680 --> 20:01.640 The Disney myth, like an episode or two ago? 20:01.800 --> 20:06.380 I don't remember, which I guess it was me, but I don't remember exactly what the Disney thing was. 20:07.020 --> 20:09.460 Oh, there was a half court at the top of the Disney. 20:09.900 --> 20:10.420 Oh, yeah. 20:10.420 --> 20:12.840 The thing at the top of the mountain or whatever, he was spot on. 20:12.940 --> 20:14.880 I checked that out right after listening to it. 20:14.900 --> 20:15.460 Yeah, yeah. 20:15.500 --> 20:16.820 Actually, I had never heard of that. 20:16.860 --> 20:17.600 That was pretty cool. 20:18.620 --> 20:22.540 But, yeah, anyway, and now the movie is called Alive, A-L-I-V-E. 20:22.620 --> 20:23.360 It was the name of the movie. 20:23.760 --> 20:24.600 And it's based on this. 20:24.700 --> 20:28.040 It's a true story that the Crux here was referring to. 20:28.480 --> 20:30.220 It is a true story, and it's based on that. 20:30.320 --> 20:31.220 And, yeah, it was not. 20:31.640 --> 20:35.100 Well, first of all, Brazilian soccer team, football, whatever you want to call it. 20:35.560 --> 20:38.620 You know, I guess that's so cliche, Brazilians and soccer. 20:38.620 --> 20:41.840 But then again, not to, you know, let's give equal time here. 20:42.020 --> 20:45.640 Argentina's got a pretty damn elite soccer team as well, so respect. 20:46.480 --> 20:47.720 But I don't know. 20:47.820 --> 20:52.300 I guess I don't think I can think of as maybe we fly over. 20:52.420 --> 20:52.760 Well, I see. 20:52.820 --> 20:57.420 We have to fly to each one of them, lock them down in the chair, give them the clockwork orange treatment, 20:57.540 --> 21:02.380 and pry open their eyes, lock them down in the chair, and get them a subscription to Netflix or something, 21:02.380 --> 21:07.120 and make them watch and catch up on all these movies so they start getting these things right. 21:09.240 --> 21:09.720 I don't know. 21:09.760 --> 21:10.200 What do you think? 21:11.360 --> 21:12.920 I think that works. 21:13.020 --> 21:16.940 But you have to make sure you don't do the clockwork orange thing where you, like, you know, 21:17.000 --> 21:20.420 accidentally turn them off of, like, seeing hacks or something like that. 21:20.420 --> 21:29.100 We'll just, you know, we'll lock them down and we'll make them watch Hackers the movie over and over and over and over and over. 21:29.120 --> 21:31.840 They'll just, like, vomit every single time they see, like, a hack stump. 21:32.040 --> 21:34.300 They'll never, ever want to hack ever again. 21:34.300 --> 21:39.420 Or ever, ever watch an Angelina Jolie movie ever again. 21:40.440 --> 21:47.080 Yeah, as a little segue there, I think Alive turned me off eating pizza for, like, three years. 21:47.460 --> 21:51.000 I happen to be eating pizza in the scene where they're, like, eating the flesh. 21:51.580 --> 21:52.480 One of the people. 21:52.940 --> 21:55.180 Am I correctly remembering this movie? 21:55.200 --> 21:55.540 Yes, you are. 21:56.080 --> 22:00.160 I think I was, like, six when I saw it, but I was eating pizza at the time, and, like, I was like, 22:00.160 --> 22:04.760 for some reason, I just got human flesh whenever I saw pizza. 22:05.100 --> 22:05.500 Yummy. 22:06.320 --> 22:06.920 Nice association. 22:06.920 --> 22:08.160 Yeah, it didn't work out well. 22:08.240 --> 22:12.160 Well, now I can eat, you know, Pizza Hut again, so I don't know what that means, but. 22:13.200 --> 22:14.680 It means it's not real pizza? 22:14.880 --> 22:15.800 But I digress. 22:15.920 --> 22:16.760 We'll back off of that. 22:17.200 --> 22:17.480 Yeah. 22:19.020 --> 22:21.260 Who knows what kind of ingredients they put in. 22:21.780 --> 22:24.100 Not, not, please, Pizza Hut, don't sue me. 22:24.140 --> 22:24.800 I'm just joking. 22:25.060 --> 22:26.040 That's just a little humor. 22:27.820 --> 22:29.520 And we've, well, never mind. 22:29.520 --> 22:30.440 I'll back off that topic. 22:30.540 --> 22:34.040 We've been contacted by, never mind. 22:34.180 --> 22:35.880 I'll just completely back away from that. 22:36.240 --> 22:40.780 Hey, you know, on a kind of a somewhat related note to, I said that as a joke, getting them to Netflix, 22:40.920 --> 22:43.580 but I was arguing with someone, well, maybe not arguing. 22:43.580 --> 22:50.600 We were talking about Netflix versus the new Blockbuster has a new program where they're trying to compete with Netflix 22:50.600 --> 22:57.840 where you can, I think it was Ice Toad, actually, from our BR407 meeting was saying that he has the Blockbuster equivalent. 22:57.840 --> 23:00.400 Have you ever used either one of these before? 23:01.780 --> 23:05.720 No, but I think I might actually go with the whole iTunes thing on the Apple TV. 23:06.900 --> 23:07.400 Oh, what is that? 23:07.460 --> 23:09.240 Right now, yeah, I know, that's sort of lame. 23:09.320 --> 23:17.680 I know how you hate Apple, but I actually, right now, I've got like a 32-inch LCD TV, like, in complete geek-like fashion. 23:17.680 --> 23:20.480 And I pretty much bit-torn all of my media. 23:21.140 --> 23:22.980 And I'm not going to say it's copyrighted. 23:23.380 --> 23:24.600 It's all open. 23:24.780 --> 23:25.140 It may not be. 23:25.360 --> 23:26.020 It's Hack TV. 23:26.320 --> 23:27.300 It's all open source, yeah. 23:27.560 --> 23:31.320 Free Creative Commons material, such as Hack TV. 23:31.480 --> 23:32.120 Yes, go on. 23:32.240 --> 23:32.840 Yeah, exactly. 23:33.000 --> 23:36.300 So I don't actually have a cable subscription aside from my cable broadband, 23:36.300 --> 23:40.160 but I have a HDTV hooked up to my computer so I can watch DivX. 23:41.240 --> 23:44.500 Well, and now you've given a segue to another topic here. 23:44.580 --> 23:49.320 I don't know if you want to do this one, but speaking of cable TV, cable internet, 23:49.660 --> 23:52.220 do we not want to go there? 23:53.900 --> 23:57.100 I think that's better as like a future episode. 23:57.180 --> 23:58.580 Okay, well, we'll wait until that. 23:58.680 --> 23:59.120 Yeah, okay. 23:59.640 --> 24:03.420 So now that we've cock-teased everybody, let's back away from that. 24:03.800 --> 24:05.780 But, yes, we were talking about at our meeting, 24:05.880 --> 24:09.600 Ice-Toe was explaining that with the Blockbuster, what he liked about it that was different, 24:10.160 --> 24:15.740 because I was giving him a hard time about supporting the giant corporation of Blockbuster or whatever, 24:15.900 --> 24:23.500 but he was saying what he likes about it is he takes them back to the Blockbuster store. 24:23.500 --> 24:26.460 You don't have to wait to mail them in and get the next ones on your list, 24:26.460 --> 24:31.280 which, you know, the way Netflix works is as soon as you send them back, 24:31.340 --> 24:33.700 they'll go ahead and send you the next ones anyway. 24:33.880 --> 24:36.580 I don't think you have much of a delay between them, 24:36.660 --> 24:38.920 but I guess he doesn't want any delay between them. 24:39.420 --> 24:42.740 And he was saying that they're going to send you whatever you have next on your queue. 24:43.160 --> 24:45.260 So if you've got other stuff, old stuff queued up, 24:45.300 --> 24:48.120 you might not get the new releases right away unless you go in there every time 24:48.120 --> 24:52.140 and manipulate your queue to push the new releases to the top or something like that. 24:52.140 --> 24:56.480 And I think he was also complaining about all of them, Netflix and Blockbuster. 24:56.600 --> 25:01.000 He was saying that they, if you want to watch like a box set of a TV show, 25:01.200 --> 25:02.820 you know, if you want to watch all the Lost or whatever, 25:02.880 --> 25:07.020 they send them to you one disc at a time, which is frustrating. 25:07.140 --> 25:08.600 You can't get like the whole box or whatever. 25:08.660 --> 25:10.720 You have to get them disc by disc, which is kind of a pain. 25:12.240 --> 25:14.160 So he was saying he likes the Blockbuster one, though, 25:14.160 --> 25:17.940 because he can take them back in the store and exchange them for new movies as well. 25:17.940 --> 25:23.460 And I don't know, I'd love to hear anybody has anything to say about either one of them. 25:24.360 --> 25:27.040 The problem with that is you're going back to the store. 25:27.160 --> 25:30.020 You might as well be renting from the store anyway, I guess, other than the price is better. 25:30.120 --> 25:33.000 But you can't then mail those back in. 25:33.040 --> 25:34.340 You have to take them back to your store. 25:34.380 --> 25:37.020 Now you're committed to going to that store physically all the time. 25:37.080 --> 25:39.060 And I thought that was the whole point of joining one of these. 25:40.240 --> 25:40.760 Oh, yeah. 25:40.820 --> 25:43.360 Was that you don't have to go to these freaking stores all the time 25:43.360 --> 25:46.200 and worry about late fees and overdue and all this kind of stuff. 25:46.200 --> 25:48.460 But I guess the price now is just... 25:48.460 --> 25:50.120 Do they abolish late fees completely, though? 25:50.440 --> 25:51.300 I have no idea. 25:51.380 --> 25:52.020 I don't go to them. 25:52.200 --> 25:53.160 I don't... 25:53.160 --> 26:00.060 Yeah, I think the new twist is that you never get charged like an overdue or late fee now. 26:00.420 --> 26:03.040 But if you keep the movie past a certain amount of time, 26:03.520 --> 26:07.020 they credit themselves with the amount of what the movie costs. 26:07.700 --> 26:10.360 What it costs them, not what it probably retail costs. 26:10.420 --> 26:11.300 You can buy it for $20. 26:11.300 --> 26:11.800 Oh, yeah, yeah. 26:11.800 --> 26:13.380 They probably give you retail costs. 26:13.540 --> 26:13.820 Yeah. 26:14.200 --> 26:15.180 Well, hmm. 26:16.580 --> 26:17.660 Interesting to know. 26:17.920 --> 26:20.180 But, hey, we got a little something these days. 26:20.260 --> 26:21.080 It's 2007. 26:21.400 --> 26:23.160 We got a little something called pay-per-view. 26:24.760 --> 26:25.080 So... 26:25.080 --> 26:28.080 Or just watching it on cable. 26:28.420 --> 26:29.080 Or BitTorrent. 26:29.180 --> 26:30.820 Of the free material, of course. 26:30.920 --> 26:34.520 Anybody that would BitTorrent anything else might risk themselves getting in trouble. 26:34.820 --> 26:35.460 Yes, yes? 26:35.860 --> 26:36.300 Oh, yeah. 26:36.440 --> 26:39.320 It's all about the Creative Commons, you know, Elephant's Dream movie. 26:39.380 --> 26:41.000 I watched that thing like a thousand times. 26:41.100 --> 26:41.640 There you go. 26:42.640 --> 26:43.780 All right, last email here. 26:43.780 --> 26:46.160 I'm sorry, go ahead. 26:47.160 --> 26:48.940 No, I said I didn't actually watch it once. 26:49.020 --> 26:50.260 I'm actually lying on that one. 26:50.360 --> 26:50.740 Oh, okay. 26:50.980 --> 26:51.600 Well, yeah. 26:52.700 --> 26:55.200 Last email this week comes from Dane. 26:55.880 --> 26:58.420 Dane says, just wanted to ask a question. 26:58.420 --> 27:03.140 What percentage of your audience do you think would stop listening to you if you stopped using profanity? 27:03.640 --> 27:06.380 Though I listen, I don't listen in mixed company. 27:06.840 --> 27:09.820 Some of the reason is I know that some of the people around me don't want to hear it, 27:09.860 --> 27:12.220 and I respect them enough not to play with them around. 27:12.700 --> 27:15.740 But mostly it's because I get looked at like I'm an idiot for listening to 27:15.740 --> 27:20.080 and taking advice from what sounds like a couple of kids who cuss like 14-year-olds. 27:20.560 --> 27:24.620 I'm just saying you might do better if you at least sound like you're as old as you really are. 27:24.620 --> 27:27.780 I bet your audience would grow if you did. 27:28.740 --> 27:29.400 All right. 27:29.520 --> 27:31.140 Well, thank you, Dane. 27:31.680 --> 27:40.000 Don't mean to be a complete dick here, but truth is – I guess I'm going to just say this bluntly 27:40.000 --> 27:45.740 because I do think this is sincere, and it is certainly something that I'm aware of. 27:45.740 --> 27:51.480 But the bottom line is I don't – not to be crass, but I don't care about the size of the audience. 27:51.600 --> 27:52.880 I don't care about the ratings. 27:53.400 --> 27:54.660 I'm not doing this for the ratings. 27:54.740 --> 27:58.300 If I was, I would be out there promoting it, pimping it on every podcast, 27:58.660 --> 28:02.920 trying to go out there and post and spam every other board and try to drum up audience. 28:03.020 --> 28:04.300 I don't do any of that stuff. 28:04.880 --> 28:08.380 All of the audience that we have is just because I started doing the show, 28:08.560 --> 28:09.920 and people liked it. 28:09.980 --> 28:11.820 It spread through some word of mouth here and there. 28:11.920 --> 28:13.180 It's a very targeted audience. 28:13.180 --> 28:18.520 It's for hackers, by hackers, and that's what I'm doing. 28:18.600 --> 28:24.180 I'm doing a show that I enjoy doing, and I'm going to do it as myself the way I want to do it 28:24.180 --> 28:25.960 because I do find it missing. 28:27.000 --> 28:29.980 It's kind of like the whole – and I hate to compare it. 28:30.000 --> 28:33.440 I'm not comparing myself to this person, but I support and agree with their beliefs. 28:33.520 --> 28:38.460 It's like Howard Stern leaving terrestrial radio to do satellite radio. 28:38.600 --> 28:40.940 It's because I don't want to be stifled. 28:40.940 --> 28:44.360 I don't want somebody to tell me that I can't cuss if I feel like cussing, 28:44.780 --> 28:46.300 to tell me what I can and can't say. 28:46.380 --> 28:53.760 I'm not going to be censored by not only the FCC, but I'm not trying to market or sell to an audience. 28:53.880 --> 28:57.300 I'm not trying to be politically correct, and I'm not going to rein myself in. 28:57.300 --> 29:01.240 I'm going to be me, and I'm going to talk about what I want to talk about, 29:01.240 --> 29:05.900 and I'm going to say it the way that I want to say it without being censored by someone outside, 29:06.000 --> 29:09.920 a third party, by listeners, or censoring myself. 29:10.820 --> 29:13.080 I'm censored by politeness. 29:13.080 --> 29:17.580 I mean, you know, the thing that I don't get is like when he's saying specifically, 29:17.840 --> 29:22.880 I get looked at like I'm an idiot for listening and taking advice from what sounds like a couple of kids 29:22.880 --> 29:23.900 who cuss like they're 14. 29:24.520 --> 29:31.320 Like me, I mean, I would have to say one of my biggest lessons in life has been, you know, 29:31.400 --> 29:33.840 sage advice comes from unexpected sources. 29:33.840 --> 29:42.780 One of the most intelligent, like, hackers that I've ever met looks like a grizzled 50-year-old biker guy, 29:42.980 --> 29:45.780 and he talks with a country accent. 29:45.940 --> 29:51.440 Most people would never even, you know, think to associate him with any sort of a knowledgeable person. 29:51.820 --> 29:58.340 Or for that matter, you know, ghetto people in Houston that, you know, are like wiring all these, you know, 29:58.400 --> 30:02.960 crazy car electronics and doing like car computers and all this other hacking crap. 30:02.960 --> 30:09.540 And like most people, you know, so, you know, cursing, I don't know if that's even, you know, 30:09.580 --> 30:10.740 enough to detract from it. 30:10.780 --> 30:15.160 I would say if the source is valuable, just acknowledge the source. 30:15.300 --> 30:20.380 You don't have to say because there's something in the content that you disagree with that the, you know, 30:20.420 --> 30:23.540 you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, I guess is what I'm saying. 30:23.800 --> 30:24.040 Right. 30:24.180 --> 30:26.200 And, you know, don't get me wrong. 30:26.280 --> 30:31.580 I certainly am the first to admit that I do use probably way too much profanity. 30:31.580 --> 30:32.880 You know, I admit that. 30:32.940 --> 30:34.860 But that is me, unfortunately. 30:35.060 --> 30:36.580 I should be ashamed to admit that truthfully. 30:36.820 --> 30:38.540 But I do cuss probably too much. 30:38.720 --> 30:42.060 And in a personal note, I probably should cuss less. 30:42.320 --> 30:46.500 But as soon as I turn this mic on and we start doing this show, I'm going to speak freely. 30:46.640 --> 30:51.280 And if I get angry about something and I drop the F-bomb or something like that, it's just going to happen. 30:51.380 --> 30:52.440 I don't try to do it. 30:52.520 --> 30:56.720 I'm not trying to sound cool or cuss like a – first of all, I don't cuss like a 14-year-old. 30:56.720 --> 30:58.120 I cuss like a fucking man. 30:58.240 --> 31:00.080 So get that straight first up front. 31:00.640 --> 31:02.620 I cuss like a grown-ass man. 31:03.180 --> 31:11.440 So if other people walking by your cube or even just a listener right now, I'll apologize to you and tell you that I'm sorry, 31:11.540 --> 31:16.100 but there are going to be probably some languages that slip out, some bad language that slips out once in a while. 31:16.100 --> 31:20.340 And I apologize for that, but I am not going to change it, unfortunately. 31:20.480 --> 31:24.120 I hope that doesn't mean that we lose listeners because of that soul fact. 31:24.220 --> 31:31.640 I do think there's a lot of good information from our co-hosts on the show and that we actually talk about some intelligent topics. 31:31.760 --> 31:32.480 I hope anyway. 31:32.580 --> 31:32.960 We try. 31:33.820 --> 31:36.160 I hope that the language doesn't detract from that. 31:36.260 --> 31:39.540 But I'm just not going to intentionally pull it back in. 31:39.580 --> 31:44.240 Except let me just also point out one thing, and I'll use last week's episode as an example. 31:44.240 --> 31:54.060 Last week I had on Scott Baranato from CSO Magazine to co-host with me, and I know that that's kind of a different style of co-host. 31:54.300 --> 31:59.360 Another example is Elonka, one of my good friends I've known for a long time, one of the nicest people in the world. 31:59.900 --> 32:06.840 I'll admit I kind of do rein myself in a little bit out of respect for those people, out of respect for those co-hosts. 32:06.880 --> 32:08.780 I know that that's not their cup of tea. 32:09.240 --> 32:12.060 I know that they're not into that sort of language. 32:12.060 --> 32:21.400 So I will purposely try to keep it a little bit more professional, I guess, depending on the circumstances, depending on the co-host, depending on the topic. 32:22.280 --> 32:27.800 So some episodes, yeah, I'll go through the whole episode without cussing or without saying anything too politically incorrect. 32:27.800 --> 32:37.080 But on other episodes, I'm going to let it go buck wild and say whatever it is I want to say, and that's just the nature of doing a show. 32:37.280 --> 32:48.020 If I did not do that, the show would be fake, the content would be fake, and people would listen to it, or people would notice it, and people would stop listening to it because I'm not being real. 32:48.020 --> 32:55.640 And the whole thing about doing the show and why I've always preached about how we can only do it on the Internet is because of that very reason. 32:55.760 --> 33:05.460 A, the content, and B, the language and the way that we say it and the manner in which we say it, the politically incorrectness that we're not afraid to call out people for doing stupid things. 33:05.660 --> 33:08.040 I've said all along we're never going to be on public radio. 33:08.160 --> 33:09.480 We're never going to be on the airwaves. 33:09.640 --> 33:12.560 They can't handle it, and that's the reason why. 33:12.560 --> 33:18.800 So I've accepted that from day one of doing the show, and Dane, I appreciate you listening, and I hope I didn't lose you. 33:18.880 --> 33:22.660 I'm not trying to be – again, I'm not trying to be a – and I'll rein myself in for you. 33:22.740 --> 33:27.440 I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I just – I've got to be myself. 33:27.680 --> 33:30.700 I've got to keep it real, and I'm going to continue to keep it real. 33:30.820 --> 33:34.740 And if that kills the show, at least I go out with my dick in my hand. 33:36.380 --> 33:37.260 I have no idea. 33:37.260 --> 33:45.960 For that matter, I mean, you know, like what I would say, too, is, you know, you look at how much do you want to filter yourself for politeness. 33:46.420 --> 33:53.600 I mean, like, for instance, hey, there might have been some people that might have stopped listening at the very second that they heard 187 on an undercover cop. 33:53.740 --> 33:54.040 True. 33:54.180 --> 33:54.760 You know what I mean? 33:54.960 --> 33:55.920 Yeah, I'm going to have fun, too. 33:55.940 --> 33:57.500 It's like, you know, how far do you go? 33:57.580 --> 33:59.200 Of course, we hear 187. 33:59.280 --> 34:03.140 That's the first thing that pops into our heads growing up with gangsta rap, you know. 34:03.140 --> 34:11.440 I don't know what a critique of society that is, but I mean, you know, like – but that's what pops into our heads. 34:11.520 --> 34:22.780 And if you edit that out, you know, it's like any other radio show that you're going to listen to on anything where it's just going to be meaningless drivel by the time it's drained through, like, 14 different filters. 34:22.780 --> 34:28.060 Well, and yeah, and to go back to the Howard Stern thing, a lot of people hate him because of his content and because of his language. 34:28.160 --> 34:34.660 On satellite, I mean, I don't know if you've heard him, but he's pretty – they get away with a lot more and say a lot of things that they weren't able to get away with. 34:34.800 --> 34:37.880 So, yeah, if you alienate some listeners like that, that's unfortunate. 34:38.060 --> 34:38.820 We don't want that. 34:38.880 --> 34:40.500 Our goal is not to alienate anybody. 34:40.500 --> 34:47.320 But if that happens, you know, I like to think that we're shooting towards our target audience. 34:47.400 --> 34:54.820 Not that we really have one, but we're – hopefully we'll attract more people with the realness than we're losing with the insincerity that a lot of other shows have. 34:55.080 --> 34:56.560 So, all right. 34:56.600 --> 34:57.620 Well, I guess we'll leave it at that. 34:57.640 --> 34:59.080 So we leave ourselves some time. 34:59.200 --> 35:00.240 We're about half an hour in here. 35:00.300 --> 35:04.520 So let's move on to our main topic of this episode. 35:04.520 --> 35:13.140 And the reason that I had Mia Flux on the show this week is because he had an idea for a show topic that I really don't know a whole lot about. 35:13.680 --> 35:19.040 So I hope you can not only explain and bring our listeners in on a lot of this stuff but myself as well. 35:19.320 --> 35:22.740 And I guess the global word to describe it would be accessibility. 35:22.740 --> 35:39.160 But basically other ways to interact with a computer if you had some sort of disability or some sort of limitation that you couldn't interact with a computer the way most of us kind of have accepted, I guess, you know, typing and having all of our functionality about us. 35:39.260 --> 35:41.700 You know, there are people out there that are not able to do that. 35:41.700 --> 35:50.020 So it used to be that that was a huge hindrance but disabilities aren't like this big obstacle to using computers like they used to be. 35:50.500 --> 35:57.160 I mean there have been accessibility programs and applications for a while but they've never really been as good as they could be. 35:57.860 --> 36:08.540 But there's a lot of hackers, open source programmers out there that are doing a lot of interesting things and a lot of cool applications and research to make computers more accessible than they've ever been. 36:08.540 --> 36:18.020 And I mean I don't want to kind of start – it's probably a bad way to start off with a specific example but you know what pops into my head is Stephen Hawking. 36:18.440 --> 36:26.940 You know, Stephen Hawking who has Lou Gehrig's disease and I've been watching a lot of – they're doing a lot of cool stuff on the Science Channel lately with Stephen Hawking and black holes on physics. 36:26.940 --> 36:38.580 But anyway, here's a guy who really has no control, who has no way to communicate with people and he's got this whole detailed system to communicate. 36:39.700 --> 36:39.840 So – 36:39.840 --> 36:54.120 Oh yeah, well he does entire presentations, you know, that are sometimes hours long and he basically has to go through and, you know, arrange it word by word and sometimes letter by letter. 36:54.120 --> 37:01.620 We're, you know, days in advance, you know, maybe even weeks in advance to go through and get that much text done. 37:01.980 --> 37:02.120 So – 37:02.120 --> 37:02.880 In addition – 37:02.880 --> 37:07.800 It's amazing that somebody a hundred years ago would not even have that capability. 37:08.000 --> 37:10.500 We would have completely lost somebody like Stephen Hawking. 37:10.940 --> 37:11.200 Right. 37:11.340 --> 37:19.740 Well, and, you know, and that's in addition to his research and ongoing writing and research and development that he's doing, not only teaching the classes and stuff like that but all that. 37:19.740 --> 37:29.900 But as far as computers go, you know, specifically, obviously a hundred years ago was a whole different technological era but as far as when computers first came up, it was never really thought of. 37:30.000 --> 37:43.160 You know, you had to have vision, you had to have sight, you had to have hearing, you had to have hands, you had to have – to be able to type in the keyboard but there are a lot of things that can help people interact better and more with their computers. 37:43.160 --> 37:46.460 Now, first of all, how did you even get interested in this topic in the first place? 37:47.840 --> 37:55.640 Well, first off, I mean, I did see a Slashout article I think a few years ago that specifically dealt with some of these topics. 37:56.380 --> 37:58.460 And I guess it stuck in the back of my head. 37:58.560 --> 38:03.860 And recently I've had to do research on OCR software. 38:03.860 --> 38:07.800 And I wanted to go open source for it for the most part. 38:07.980 --> 38:09.740 I mean, I love open source software. 38:10.300 --> 38:13.060 And I started really looking at a bunch of different OCR engines. 38:13.320 --> 38:28.640 And one of the things that I ran across was a specific website where they used OCR engines as a direct feed-in for processing video mounted to eyeglasses to help blind people navigate around. 38:28.640 --> 38:31.640 So explain that a little bit. 38:31.700 --> 38:35.420 I'm not sure that that – I'm understanding how that works. 38:35.500 --> 38:37.140 What is the objective here? 38:37.920 --> 38:44.160 The objective is that essentially without a guide dog or – I'm sure it's not actually at that stage yet. 38:44.600 --> 38:50.660 Most of it's actually, you know, proof of concept right now for a lot of the more advanced technologies. 38:50.660 --> 38:57.100 But there's a lot of stuff that they're playing around with that in the next few years and even right now we're definitely seeing returns on. 38:57.560 --> 39:00.720 And people are using to enhance their day-to-day lives with disabilities. 39:01.580 --> 39:11.760 So, like, OCR, the way we usually think about it is just, like, scanning in letters and images and things like that and having it scan through to recognize letters and numbers and things like that. 39:11.900 --> 39:13.260 We're talking about video here? 39:13.260 --> 39:20.040 Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the challenges with it is that they're taking traditional OCR engines. 39:20.420 --> 39:31.540 But if you have – you know, if the video is not that choppy or if you can even grab it frame by frame, of course, which you can do with the computer when you have direct, you know, CCD, you know, input, 39:32.120 --> 39:38.820 you can go through and analyze each image in a video like you would with normal OCR software. 39:38.820 --> 39:44.920 So that way a blind person could see that there's a stop sign and it could be estimated that it's eight feet away. 39:45.080 --> 39:45.660 Oh, wow. 39:45.660 --> 39:49.640 Whereas before they'd have to rely on, you know, like a stop dog or something like that. 39:49.800 --> 39:50.760 Right, that's amazing. 39:50.920 --> 39:59.300 Is that – is there any relationship between that and – I know this probably sounds funny, but, like, on BattleBots or any kind of robotics, 39:59.300 --> 40:08.420 don't they have to have some sort of similar engine to prevent these robots or whatever from hitting walls or knowing what boundaries and things like that? 40:08.480 --> 40:09.260 Is there any relationship? 40:09.460 --> 40:12.240 Are they – is that where some of the research is coming from or no? 40:12.560 --> 40:18.320 Machine vision is still very stunted in that it's hard to get the machines to recognize objects. 40:18.460 --> 40:24.980 Most of the time they just use, you know, like IR or something like that, like the cheap Lego kits that will essentially say, you know, 40:25.060 --> 40:25.340 Right. 40:25.360 --> 40:27.780 Okay, you're four feet from a wall, back up. 40:27.960 --> 40:28.360 Gotcha. 40:28.360 --> 40:28.840 Gotcha, okay. 40:29.440 --> 40:35.540 But with some of this stuff, I mean, there was something else that I saw recently that I hadn't got into very much, 40:35.760 --> 40:40.260 but it was talking about how to extrapolate dimensions from just straight images, 40:40.260 --> 40:43.580 which would also be very useful in this type of technology. 40:44.020 --> 40:51.760 You could say, yeah, there's a stop sign, not just that, but, hey, there's a stop sign and it's 4.37 feet away from you, you know, 40:51.820 --> 40:54.100 or whatever the metric conversion with that would be. 40:54.460 --> 40:54.800 Right. 40:54.920 --> 40:56.340 Yeah, that's really, really cool. 40:56.340 --> 41:03.820 Yeah, I mean, it's not just stop sign, but they also have a bunch of patterns that it's trained to recognize, too. 41:03.820 --> 41:11.580 So you could see stripes on the ground like a walkway, and it could tell you when you go out of range by how far you turn your head left or right. 41:12.460 --> 41:14.820 And there's a lot of applications for that. 41:15.180 --> 41:17.160 I mean, you could see road signs. 41:17.300 --> 41:24.760 You can see, you know, if you happen to be a blind person walking to New York, I'm sure you'd want to know that you were on Wall Street and whatever the cross street is. 41:24.760 --> 41:26.060 Right, right. 41:27.020 --> 41:27.820 Wow, that's interesting. 41:28.040 --> 41:31.460 Now, is this like, this is still in fairly early stages of research, though? 41:32.540 --> 41:39.940 Yeah, and the thing is, they're using a lot of, they only use, the specific website I'm talking about is Seeing with Sound, 41:40.320 --> 41:43.020 and they have a lot of resources on there for blind people. 41:43.020 --> 41:50.680 They use a number of different open source OCR engines, and they only use open source, which is a really interesting thing that I think about it. 41:50.900 --> 41:51.180 Right. 41:51.180 --> 41:57.700 Is that pretty much anybody who wants to contribute worldwide can go in there and say, you know, hey, that's not good. 41:57.780 --> 42:04.540 If it says T-O-P, we need to say, hey, it's probably going to mean stop or, you know, et cetera, et cetera. 42:04.700 --> 42:08.600 But there's a number of different OCR engines that they use. 42:09.360 --> 42:16.040 And Tesseract, which is the most recent one that I've been hacking around on, is open source through Google. 42:16.040 --> 42:24.480 And that, that's really cool in that it had a, something like a 93%, like, correct to read. 42:24.900 --> 42:32.200 So, I mean, you look at stuff like that, and yeah, I mean, applicable, it depends on your day-to-day how much text you're dealing with. 42:32.300 --> 42:39.560 But even if you're looking at, like, text-to-speech and you're talking about graphics in a web page or anything like that on a computer, 42:39.880 --> 42:42.520 it's not just, you know, for use on a street, too. 42:42.520 --> 42:44.940 So, I mean, Google's interested. 42:45.440 --> 42:48.160 I know you don't like Google that much, I think, right? 42:48.420 --> 42:50.440 I don't know what your recent standard on them are. 42:50.480 --> 42:52.740 I think it's more like they don't like me very much. 42:54.740 --> 43:00.920 But I've definitely appreciated a lot of their works now, which is to take, you know, OCR'd your, 43:01.080 --> 43:06.540 or basically a bunch of images and OCR them, especially with their book project and everything else. 43:06.540 --> 43:14.640 And, I mean, once it's in plain text, you can use a text-to-speech synthesizer and, hey, a blind person can read, you know, any book they want to. 43:14.840 --> 43:16.620 Right, but that's not necessarily new. 43:16.760 --> 43:20.760 I mean, that's OCR and text-to-speech has been around for a while. 43:20.840 --> 43:27.800 We even had an email on the show a few episodes back about Dragon Naturally Speaking and someone who was saying how, 43:27.800 --> 43:34.140 what kind of great luck they've had or what kind of, how good it's been for them to use that and how handy it is 43:34.140 --> 43:36.340 and how much better that technology has gotten. 43:36.780 --> 43:40.460 But it's been around for a while, but it's, it's, I've never heard of this. 43:40.460 --> 43:44.000 Well, Dragon Naturally Speaking, you're talking about speech-to-text, though, right? 43:44.040 --> 43:45.180 Not text-to-speech? 43:46.220 --> 43:46.800 Well, is it? 43:46.820 --> 43:48.720 I thought it worked both ways, but I don't know. 43:49.100 --> 43:51.120 I'm just saying, you know, it makes the text available. 43:51.120 --> 43:56.100 But the important thing that I'm saying is that, you know, it's an open-source OCR engine. 43:56.300 --> 44:01.240 So, essentially, instead of having to go out and pay $100 or $1,000, 44:01.620 --> 44:05.280 you may not make that much money if you're blind and you don't have, you know, 44:06.440 --> 44:11.280 a standard, you know, income aside from disability. 44:11.940 --> 44:12.500 Right, right. 44:12.760 --> 44:18.940 You know, so you're probably low on the dollar, and open-source software is definitely a boon there. 44:18.940 --> 44:21.820 And certainly, we agree with and support that, no doubt. 44:22.900 --> 44:28.060 I, this is, I mean, this, that's really, I gotta say, I'm still kind of, I don't know, amazed, 44:28.160 --> 44:33.640 because that's like some James Bond-type shit there with, like, a video, OCR through video, 44:33.840 --> 44:40.320 where it can see and identify things, and that's, that's really some, that's some James Bond stuff. 44:41.340 --> 44:43.080 Oh, yeah, well, I mean, it's, it's crazy. 44:43.200 --> 44:45.920 It doesn't just stop at, like, you know, like, text, though. 44:45.920 --> 44:49.400 They can go through and they use pattern recognition to a certain extent, 44:49.580 --> 44:53.980 so, like, you could, in the future, necessarily, like, see a car or something like that. 44:54.240 --> 44:57.860 I know that right now they have a bunch of things, like, you can change the speed, 44:58.200 --> 45:03.780 so if you need a more reliable read, you can, it has, you know, speech-to-text utilities 45:03.780 --> 45:08.460 built into the system that I was talking about earlier, and you could tell it, you know, slow down. 45:08.460 --> 45:14.640 And it'll recognize that and slow down, you know, the frames per second that it's grabbing 45:14.640 --> 45:17.740 and just analyze the images more in depth. 45:18.220 --> 45:22.500 Or, you know, you can go through and say, like, motion, and it'll essentially grab everything, 45:22.620 --> 45:24.600 but it'll be choppy, so it's not as accurate. 45:25.060 --> 45:31.440 And I think you can even go through and check it to see if there's certain colors in the image. 45:31.880 --> 45:36.020 So it'll tell you, essentially, what's the main color of whatever you're pointing your head at. 45:36.020 --> 45:40.160 Wow, and that, of course, is one of those things that's only going to get better with time 45:40.160 --> 45:41.360 as they continue researching it. 45:41.380 --> 45:44.900 I can foresee some point where, using this technology, 45:45.020 --> 45:48.680 a blind person could walk through an office building, down hallways, 45:48.780 --> 45:52.940 you can, it will detect where there's a turn and where the hall ends and turns left or right 45:52.940 --> 45:56.960 and things like that, or even, I don't know, even being in a maze kind of thing 45:56.960 --> 45:59.280 where it'll be able to detect and tell distances 45:59.280 --> 46:02.000 and tell that there are walls to the left and right, et cetera, et cetera. 46:02.240 --> 46:04.300 I could see it going in that direction easily. 46:04.300 --> 46:08.520 Well, in light of the question that you were asking earlier, too, 46:08.560 --> 46:12.580 I sort of got away from it, but machine vision is a very complex problem, 46:12.700 --> 46:15.560 and that's something that's probably going to be integrated into this technology 46:15.560 --> 46:16.700 over the next few years. 46:17.000 --> 46:22.120 But, you know, it has to do a lot with a lot of complex etch detection 46:22.120 --> 46:26.920 because you don't just want to know that, you know, four lines are essentially a square. 46:27.080 --> 46:31.220 You want to know that it's a car, or you want to know that that rough shape is a person, 46:31.220 --> 46:34.000 and computers have a rough time. 46:34.120 --> 46:38.300 I mean, you get into it, and a lot of what I found with, you know, looking at machine vision 46:38.300 --> 46:42.560 is you're going to have to get into, like, huge transforms and, you know, 46:42.980 --> 46:48.340 some advanced calculus and differential equations just to get into the math behind it 46:48.340 --> 46:50.480 and, you know, tweak some of this stuff. 46:50.480 --> 46:57.400 So it's not like it's, you know, very easy to just launch all of that stuff into a mainstream product. 46:57.620 --> 47:01.240 A lot of it's going to take ongoing research, but it's getting much better. 47:01.660 --> 47:06.040 Well, and isn't one of the reasons for that, and I'm being presumptuous here, 47:06.100 --> 47:08.220 but I think this is probably the case, 47:08.840 --> 47:13.720 because that is very complex mathematics to do that sort of differential equations 47:13.720 --> 47:17.620 and to do the calculus on the fly, especially if it's something like video 47:17.620 --> 47:19.820 where it has to be constant on-the-fly calculations. 47:20.160 --> 47:23.720 We didn't have the computing power to do that until, you know, fairly recently. 47:24.780 --> 47:28.580 So now that we have that power, we can start down these new avenues of research. 47:28.740 --> 47:31.640 So as technology advances, it's opening these doors. 47:33.340 --> 47:33.780 Absolutely. 47:33.780 --> 47:38.860 And, I mean, you know, it's not just about specific, like, software. 47:38.860 --> 47:44.420 Where, I mean, like, what we're talking about with the blind people is helping them get out. 47:44.780 --> 47:47.820 And, actually, if you read, some of the blind people who have used it 47:47.820 --> 47:49.900 have gone out and walked around with it. 47:49.960 --> 47:53.360 And a lot of them have said right now it's sort of like a gimp guide dog. 47:54.720 --> 47:56.940 So that's been the general description, you know. 47:56.980 --> 48:02.480 Like, it's cool and everything, and it's useful, but it could definitely be better. 48:02.560 --> 48:04.280 And that's what a lot of people are working towards. 48:04.280 --> 48:08.920 But, you know, on that note, there's a lot of different ways, too. 48:09.060 --> 48:14.140 Like, if you talk about deaf people, a lot of people think, you know, 48:14.220 --> 48:15.920 hey, they're deaf, whatever, they can type. 48:16.320 --> 48:19.540 But if you look at a lot of the recent technology, you know, 48:19.780 --> 48:25.180 a lot of deaf people sign at 120 to 180 words per minute average. 48:26.040 --> 48:30.420 You know, most typists are probably at about 50 to 60 words per minute. 48:30.420 --> 48:34.920 So you're inherently drastically reducing the speed at which they communicate, 48:35.220 --> 48:38.520 even if they're using text messages on their phone or anything like that. 48:38.860 --> 48:41.640 You know, you probably get even lower texting on a phone. 48:42.380 --> 48:47.400 But, you know, technology has recently come out where they're working on people 48:47.400 --> 48:52.340 being able to sign over the webcams or cameras on their phone. 48:52.340 --> 48:56.820 So they could go through and essentially point the cell phone in their direction 48:56.820 --> 49:00.760 and use sign language to sign to each other at a much faster rate, you know, 49:00.800 --> 49:02.780 probably closer to spoken text. 49:03.040 --> 49:06.520 And that's related to the same video that we were talking about earlier, 49:06.640 --> 49:09.760 that what you're saying is they're actually interpreting the signs 49:09.760 --> 49:11.780 and not sending the video necessarily, 49:12.240 --> 49:15.600 but converting it to text based on recognition of the sign? 49:16.640 --> 49:17.460 No, no, no. 49:17.460 --> 49:17.660 No? 49:17.660 --> 49:17.920 I'm sorry. 49:18.060 --> 49:18.400 I'm sorry. 49:18.480 --> 49:20.740 I should have completely separated those two. 49:20.740 --> 49:23.460 Yeah, because it sounds like, well, it sounds possible, though, 49:23.480 --> 49:24.520 for what you were talking about earlier. 49:24.620 --> 49:26.420 It sounds like that could be a problem. 49:26.540 --> 49:29.160 You know, that's very precise as compared to what we were talking about earlier, 49:29.580 --> 49:32.080 recognizing a stop sign and recognizing a wall 49:32.080 --> 49:35.220 versus movement of hands and sign language. 49:35.380 --> 49:37.920 But it certainly sounds like that's a possibility, you know, 49:37.920 --> 49:39.560 down the road as the technology advances. 49:40.340 --> 49:41.340 That is a possibility. 49:41.340 --> 49:45.240 But it gets a lot closer to, say, reading emotions on faces 49:45.240 --> 49:47.820 and other machines, you know, learning problems like that, 49:47.820 --> 49:52.040 and that there's a lot of subtle nuance in how people sign, 49:52.380 --> 49:55.460 which is very much like facial expressions and how people talk. 49:55.920 --> 49:58.400 And the computer is probably going to miss some of that, you know, 49:58.460 --> 49:59.920 and just converting it straight. 50:00.320 --> 50:04.920 And, you know, it's probably going to incorrectly read a lot of those 3D images. 50:05.040 --> 50:08.060 When we're talking about text still, most of the time it's not raised text, 50:08.200 --> 50:11.660 or it'll essentially appear 2D to us even if it's sticking out. 50:12.000 --> 50:12.900 Right, right. 50:12.900 --> 50:17.280 So, I mean, it is, it'll probably be there in the future, 50:17.420 --> 50:22.400 but right now those specific technologies for the deaf people are, you know, 50:22.500 --> 50:26.560 a little bit more limited because those problems are a lot more complex mathematically. 50:26.700 --> 50:28.020 Right, so I was jumping ahead of the gun. 50:28.060 --> 50:31.020 I'm a few years ahead, so we're not quite there on that technology yet. 50:31.180 --> 50:31.740 Well, that's cool. 50:31.820 --> 50:34.240 You're a regular, you know, hacker Ray Kurzweil. 50:34.460 --> 50:36.020 Well, we're thinking, yeah, we're thinking ahead. 50:36.120 --> 50:37.920 I'm thinking where this is going to go, you know. 50:37.920 --> 50:41.020 And are we going to have to worry about people planting viruses 50:41.020 --> 50:43.720 and having blind people, like, walking into walls and stuff, though? 50:44.660 --> 50:45.580 I hope not. 50:45.680 --> 50:47.520 That'll be, like, almost like Snow Crash, right? 50:47.780 --> 50:47.920 Yeah. 50:48.380 --> 50:51.120 Upload the new virus and everyone starts walking into walls. 50:51.380 --> 50:52.580 Exactly, exactly. 50:53.580 --> 50:54.160 Well, what other kind of... 50:54.160 --> 50:55.180 Yeah, but, I mean, that's important. 50:55.340 --> 50:57.720 Like, you know, you think deaf people with webcams, 50:57.800 --> 50:59.440 and it probably makes no real impact. 50:59.480 --> 51:02.060 But even on their home computer or on the fly, 51:02.620 --> 51:04.940 they can go through and talk a lot more naturally, 51:04.940 --> 51:09.160 like we talk right now over the phone or over VoIP or anything like that, 51:09.420 --> 51:11.660 and you take it for granted that these same technologies 51:11.660 --> 51:15.100 are really helping out a lot of people, a lot of disabled people. 51:15.520 --> 51:15.860 Right. 51:16.200 --> 51:19.220 Well, and not only that, I mean, we've got... 51:19.220 --> 51:21.820 We've still got a good 20 minutes, 15, 20 minutes. 51:22.160 --> 51:23.880 Let's talk about some... 51:23.880 --> 51:25.940 Unless there are some other specifics you wanted to bring up, 51:26.660 --> 51:27.680 let's focus... 51:27.680 --> 51:28.220 Aren't there... 51:28.220 --> 51:28.940 Isn't there a lot of... 51:29.580 --> 51:29.980 I see. 51:30.040 --> 51:31.020 I don't even know how to phrase this. 51:31.020 --> 51:33.560 Aren't there a lot of different specific distributions 51:33.560 --> 51:38.200 doing a lot of homegrown stuff for the different distributions, 51:38.380 --> 51:39.660 like for accessibility? 51:40.460 --> 51:42.940 Like, I think you had told me about Debian one time. 51:43.660 --> 51:45.560 Yeah, Debian's the one that springs to my mind, 51:45.620 --> 51:46.680 like, first and foremost. 51:47.360 --> 51:51.000 But I think that KDE has an accessibility package as well. 51:51.400 --> 51:54.280 And I think that a lot of other distros followed suit 51:54.280 --> 51:56.080 or probably predated Debian 51:56.080 --> 51:58.020 in that they have accessibility packages. 51:58.020 --> 52:01.920 And a lot of them are pretty far ahead 52:01.920 --> 52:03.740 of what Windows has for accessibility. 52:04.160 --> 52:05.100 Well, and that's what I'm trying to think. 52:05.220 --> 52:07.220 Like, Windows accessibility is what? 52:07.300 --> 52:10.180 Don't they have, like, a magnifying thing 52:10.180 --> 52:12.660 that'll make it easier for people who are sight-impaired 52:12.660 --> 52:15.020 to be able to see, like, increasing the stuff? 52:15.260 --> 52:18.340 And maybe some speech technology may be built in. 52:18.460 --> 52:18.900 You know what? 52:18.900 --> 52:19.840 I never really lose to that. 52:19.840 --> 52:21.600 Vista might go a little bit closer 52:21.600 --> 52:24.740 to maybe helping, you know, blind people 52:24.740 --> 52:27.900 in that it has the whole text-to-speech 52:27.900 --> 52:30.320 and speech-to-text, you know, sort of built-in thing. 52:30.440 --> 52:30.760 Right. 52:30.880 --> 52:31.680 What I understand now. 52:31.820 --> 52:32.040 Right. 52:32.120 --> 52:33.900 But aside from that, I mean, 52:34.580 --> 52:37.060 most of the Windows stuff is just, you know, utter crap. 52:37.160 --> 52:37.720 It's like, you know, 52:37.800 --> 52:40.580 oh, well, we'll display an icon at, like, you know, 52:40.580 --> 52:44.540 120 by 120 with, like, a, you know, 52:45.240 --> 52:48.240 200 by 150 resolution on your screen. 52:48.520 --> 52:49.300 Right, right. 52:49.800 --> 52:52.460 It doesn't really necessarily help, you know, 52:52.580 --> 52:53.600 even power users. 52:53.960 --> 52:56.500 So if you have power users that, you know, 52:56.840 --> 53:01.000 are either born, you know, handicapped or become, 53:01.560 --> 53:04.300 it makes a lot more sense for a lot of the power users 53:04.300 --> 53:05.620 to go with Linux. 53:06.020 --> 53:07.980 And even the base users, you know, 53:08.220 --> 53:09.640 are probably going to find it a lot easier 53:09.640 --> 53:10.980 to orient themselves, you know, 53:11.020 --> 53:12.820 using speech-to-text at VI 53:12.820 --> 53:16.320 than necessarily going through and, you know. 53:16.680 --> 53:17.940 Well, and that's, you know, 53:17.980 --> 53:19.360 an interesting thing that you bring up 53:19.360 --> 53:21.720 because that's one thing that I've always wondered about 53:21.720 --> 53:26.360 is I know all these great new programs 53:26.360 --> 53:29.040 and features exist in some of these, 53:29.460 --> 53:31.000 but is it to the point where, 53:31.640 --> 53:33.580 and I don't mean this to be insensitive or to, 53:34.080 --> 53:35.680 I'm saying this out of ignorance, I admit, 53:36.060 --> 53:39.420 is there any way that a blind person 53:39.420 --> 53:43.820 is going to be able to write C++ code in VI? 53:44.140 --> 53:46.060 I mean, that's not like a natural language 53:46.060 --> 53:48.160 where speech-to-text sort of thing will help. 53:48.640 --> 53:49.520 It's clumsy. 53:49.720 --> 53:51.380 It's symbolic by nature. 53:51.600 --> 53:53.520 Are you saying it's going to be a little bit of, 53:53.600 --> 53:57.320 let's-so-double-delete-the-ant-killer-select-all? 53:57.520 --> 53:59.020 Yeah, it's going to be really... 53:59.020 --> 54:01.760 Dear Ant, let's-so-double-delete-the-killer-select-all. 54:01.980 --> 54:03.300 Yeah, something like that. 54:04.100 --> 54:06.420 Trying to remember the exact phrasing there. 54:06.480 --> 54:08.260 I'm sure somebody will, like, send you 20 emails 54:08.260 --> 54:11.060 on how I got one word wrong on that. 54:11.180 --> 54:11.480 Yep. 54:13.580 --> 54:17.260 But, yeah, I mean, it's not just that deaf and blind people, too. 54:17.320 --> 54:19.820 I mean, like, we were talking about Stephen Hawking earlier, 54:19.820 --> 54:22.860 and there's a package called AccessX, 54:23.220 --> 54:26.440 which is Linux software specifically for motor function disabilities. 54:27.340 --> 54:32.360 So if, say, you have palsy or, you know, 54:32.540 --> 54:36.640 I'm sorry, what is Stephen Hawking? 54:36.740 --> 54:37.280 ALS? 54:37.980 --> 54:41.740 Well, yeah, like, pretty much any neurodegenerative 54:41.740 --> 54:47.360 or, you know, motor function impairing illness, 54:47.860 --> 54:50.440 and it'll essentially autocorrect for you. 54:50.520 --> 54:52.600 So, like, if you start going through 54:52.600 --> 54:54.200 and tapping a bunch of keys at once, 54:54.580 --> 54:57.720 it'll sort of shut off the keyboard, you know, for a moment 54:57.720 --> 55:00.780 and try and cope with it as best it can. 55:01.080 --> 55:02.080 So a lot of that stuff... 55:02.080 --> 55:05.100 I'm sorry, we're talking about any kind of muscular thing, 55:05.160 --> 55:07.500 anything like, what, maybe Parkinson's 55:07.500 --> 55:10.000 or ALS or Lou Gehrig syndrome, 55:10.120 --> 55:11.800 which is what Stephen Hawking has, 55:11.900 --> 55:14.280 or things like this where you're talking about physically 55:14.280 --> 55:17.720 not having the ability to type directly on a keyboard, 55:18.040 --> 55:19.860 you know, like, the way we all take for granted. 55:21.460 --> 55:22.480 Exactly, exactly. 55:22.620 --> 55:24.380 And it helps them out, too. 55:24.380 --> 55:26.060 So, I mean, packages like this, 55:27.100 --> 55:30.240 there's a lot of different ways that people can be disabled, 55:30.240 --> 55:33.080 and it's amazing how many different software packages 55:33.080 --> 55:35.940 are out there to help people cope with that 55:35.940 --> 55:39.360 and become more proficient at the computer. 55:39.860 --> 55:42.900 And, you know, there are some blind, you know, Linux hackers. 55:43.360 --> 55:44.240 They're out there. 55:44.320 --> 55:45.420 They exist, you know. 55:45.700 --> 55:46.360 Well, there's... 55:46.360 --> 55:48.240 And, yeah, it's probably a little hard saying 55:48.240 --> 55:51.020 open bracket, closed bracket, you know, et cetera, et cetera. 55:51.580 --> 55:53.340 But a lot of this stuff can be tweaked, 55:53.340 --> 55:54.880 and that's, you know, that's the same thing. 55:54.980 --> 55:56.240 If you're willing to get to that level 55:56.240 --> 55:57.740 and it doesn't exist, 55:57.820 --> 55:59.500 you could be a blind, you know, programmer 55:59.500 --> 56:02.780 and help to write the software that makes it better. 56:03.620 --> 56:04.160 Right, absolutely. 56:04.520 --> 56:06.280 And isn't there... 56:06.280 --> 56:07.840 There's a famous phone freak, right, 56:08.000 --> 56:11.600 that's blind but has the perfect pitch or hearing. 56:12.420 --> 56:14.460 Gosh, see, this is where Ratchet would know. 56:14.640 --> 56:16.440 Is that Joy Bubbles? 56:16.500 --> 56:17.200 I'm not positive. 56:18.360 --> 56:20.420 You know, I can't recall off the end. 56:20.580 --> 56:23.020 He was a friend of Captain Crunch, correct? 56:23.320 --> 56:24.100 Yeah, I know. 56:24.320 --> 56:26.120 Somebody will email me with that one for sure, 56:26.240 --> 56:27.400 and I probably should know that. 56:27.400 --> 56:28.560 I should be ashamed for not knowing that. 56:28.560 --> 56:32.920 But, yeah, I mean, there's certainly a lot of hackers out there. 56:33.420 --> 56:35.120 That's why it's kind of a sensitive subject. 56:35.260 --> 56:35.940 We've had... 56:35.940 --> 56:38.580 Well, I guess I won't go here too much, 56:38.620 --> 56:42.600 but we've had people in the past claim to have different disabilities 56:42.600 --> 56:46.080 or whatnot when they've been found to be liars afterwards 56:46.080 --> 56:49.460 or prove themselves to be making up or taking advantage of that. 56:49.460 --> 56:53.100 And that's not a cool thing because there are people out there. 56:53.160 --> 56:54.040 There are hackers out there. 56:54.100 --> 56:56.020 There are open source programmers, which... 56:56.020 --> 56:58.020 I'm sorry, hackers and open source programmers, to me, 56:58.060 --> 56:59.280 really go hand in hand a lot. 56:59.340 --> 57:01.400 I think any programmer is a hacker by nature 57:01.400 --> 57:05.780 that are doing great things and trying to advance these technologies. 57:06.880 --> 57:08.240 And I think you've given us several examples. 57:08.240 --> 57:09.440 Yeah, I believe that's his name. 57:09.700 --> 57:10.500 Yeah, that's it. 57:10.720 --> 57:10.960 Okay. 57:12.600 --> 57:13.440 So, cool. 57:13.520 --> 57:14.940 I guess that'll lay... 57:14.940 --> 57:17.020 I don't know his handle right now, so... 57:17.020 --> 57:18.080 Yeah, yeah, we got it. 57:18.080 --> 57:22.100 But I remember seeing the footage of him, and it was amazing. 57:22.340 --> 57:25.200 I mean, but you think, you know, somebody born blind, 57:25.280 --> 57:28.140 you look at technology and how this guy, you know, 57:28.160 --> 57:30.900 is not just sitting around or reading Braille or anything like that. 57:30.940 --> 57:33.740 He's actively going out and hacking with the phone systems. 57:34.060 --> 57:34.400 Right. 57:34.440 --> 57:34.700 You know? 57:35.340 --> 57:35.740 Right. 57:35.920 --> 57:39.020 So, it's really a different world for a lot of these people. 57:40.520 --> 57:40.920 Absolutely. 57:42.920 --> 57:45.760 Yeah, and I mean, that's what I mean to segue into, 57:45.760 --> 57:49.100 like a lot of these technologies are only going to get better. 57:49.240 --> 57:52.560 You know, the application of artificial neural networks 57:52.560 --> 57:54.760 and reverse engineering certain, you know, 57:54.900 --> 57:59.820 certain networks in the brain, like cochlear processing 57:59.820 --> 58:02.620 and, you know, looking at the optic nerve. 58:03.700 --> 58:06.360 As we better understand those networks, 58:06.360 --> 58:10.820 we can reverse engineer and maybe even build them into implants in the future. 58:11.020 --> 58:12.820 And we have limited implants right now. 58:12.820 --> 58:18.160 I remember reading something about a blind man a few years back 58:18.160 --> 58:24.740 where they actually went through and directly attached electrodes to his optic nerve. 58:25.160 --> 58:27.220 Now, he had sight before, and that's an important distinction. 58:27.480 --> 58:28.720 I'll get back to that in a moment. 58:28.900 --> 58:35.240 But when he had the implants put in, he already had the ability to see. 58:35.240 --> 58:41.560 And although it was a very poor resolution, his brain learned through its plasticity 58:41.560 --> 58:43.640 to make sense of those signals. 58:43.840 --> 58:48.200 And he eventually got to the point where he could, you know, everything was blurry 58:48.200 --> 58:50.000 and then he could sort of make out shapes. 58:50.200 --> 58:52.880 And it got to the point, you know, where he could essentially say, you know, 58:52.920 --> 58:54.680 that's the Coke can and that's the table. 58:54.900 --> 58:56.640 And it didn't get much better than that 58:56.640 --> 59:00.960 because the resolution of what we can achieve by attaching, you know, 59:01.260 --> 59:05.820 our electrodes, you know, before nanotech really takes off, you know, 59:05.820 --> 59:07.760 is pretty low resolution. 59:08.040 --> 59:14.260 So, you know, if you have CCTV or CCDs in the future that are extremely high resolution 59:14.260 --> 59:16.860 and we find a way to hook them up directly to the optic nerve, 59:17.420 --> 59:19.720 hell, not only blind people who had vision before, 59:20.140 --> 59:24.720 but people with vision might end up, you know, rolling off and taking these as enhancements. 59:24.720 --> 59:28.180 You know, not just as ways to get by in day-to-day life, 59:28.300 --> 59:30.880 but this technology is definitely, I would say, 59:30.940 --> 59:35.420 a boon to the next generation of body hackers, if you will, or biohackers. 59:35.820 --> 59:36.220 Absolutely. 59:36.560 --> 59:40.040 I mean, I'd get, hey, I'd go $6 million man in a heartbeat. 59:41.440 --> 59:44.740 Yeah, I mean, who wouldn't like having eyes that naturally see infrared 59:44.740 --> 59:48.160 and pretty much record anything whenever you flick it on 59:48.160 --> 59:52.240 or having, you know, supersonic hearing, you know, being able to shut it off 59:52.240 --> 59:53.920 and all the rest of this stuff. 59:53.920 --> 59:56.240 I mean, Ray Kurzweil gets into some of this stuff 59:56.240 --> 01:00:00.320 and he talks about how in the future we're going to do a lot more hacking with our body 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.240 as computing takes off more and more. 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.560 And, I mean, you know, a lot of this stuff, 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:12.500 it just has to get to the level where it makes sense for us to do it. 01:00:12.720 --> 01:00:15.440 But it's being worked on and that technology is getting there. 01:00:15.540 --> 01:00:19.260 So, yeah, $6 million man might not be as far away as we think, I guess. 01:00:19.340 --> 01:00:20.600 Well, we're becoming Borg. 01:00:20.600 --> 01:00:24.120 We're all becoming cyborgs here, down the road anyway. 01:00:24.220 --> 01:00:26.120 No, we're talking, this is generations away. 01:00:26.260 --> 01:00:26.980 Let's be serious. 01:00:27.080 --> 01:00:28.080 We're joking a little bit here. 01:00:28.220 --> 01:00:30.380 But this is quite a ways off that we're talking about. 01:00:30.380 --> 01:00:34.660 But, I mean, like I said, a few years ago you had a man that, you know, 01:00:34.980 --> 01:00:36.320 had vision, was blind. 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.400 They attached electrodes to his optic nerve and he can see. 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:42.680 So, it's not necessarily five generations away. 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:44.060 No, but that's a unique case. 01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:49.100 We have people with normal or subnormal vision that could actually walk around who have had vision before. 01:00:49.560 --> 01:00:51.540 And the same thing with people who have gone deaf. 01:00:51.980 --> 01:00:56.900 As long as the pathways in the brain are there to begin with and they have an atrophy, 01:00:57.540 --> 01:00:59.660 then we can go through and nurse that back. 01:00:59.660 --> 01:01:04.240 Now, the much more interesting and tough problem that a lot of them are facing now 01:01:04.240 --> 01:01:09.400 is that implants won't even be a choice for a lot of people who are born deaf or born blind 01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:14.480 because, say, like the visual cortex in your brain will atrophy if it doesn't get any input. 01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:18.020 So, a lot of those different areas of the brain will never fully develop. 01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:26.180 So, even if you hook, you know, a billion, you know, electrodes directly to their, you know, optic nerve, 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:28.220 it's not going to matter. 01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:30.400 Their brain won't know how to process the signal. 01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:33.180 So, you know, it depends on stuff like that. 01:01:33.220 --> 01:01:39.240 That technology is ongoing and we're going to have to live with getting as close to AI as we can, you know, 01:01:39.260 --> 01:01:43.140 and have machine intelligence to tell people, hey, there's a stop sign 10 feet away. 01:01:43.140 --> 01:01:47.800 We're always probably going to need that until we can hack the brain directly and, you know, 01:01:48.020 --> 01:01:49.160 build it up. 01:01:50.900 --> 01:01:56.540 Well, I still, I mean, that's like a, you know, you said that a couple years ago, this particular person, 01:01:56.580 --> 01:01:59.360 but that's an isolated case and that's research ongoing. 01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:05.120 I do believe it's going to be quite a while before this is something that we see rolled out to the masses per se. 01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:09.280 I'm not saying, like, next month you're going to see, you know, a bunch of people, you know, 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:11.300 walking around that couldn't see before. 01:02:11.500 --> 01:02:17.760 But, I mean, what I'm saying is the technology is there and as I've pointed out in a lot of these cases, 01:02:18.020 --> 01:02:23.740 it's good and it's really interesting and it's engaging where the technology is, but, you know, 01:02:24.220 --> 01:02:25.700 it's not to where it could be. 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:26.520 And that's it. 01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:29.760 I mean, you know, hey, all these hackers listen to BinRev Radio. 01:02:30.520 --> 01:02:34.620 You decide you like the idea, you can work on all these things and make them even better. 01:02:34.620 --> 01:02:38.900 Well, and, you know, like you said earlier, some of these people are working on it themselves 01:02:38.900 --> 01:02:41.040 because they're benefiting from it directly themselves. 01:02:41.340 --> 01:02:46.240 So, I mean, there's a lot of people working on this and that's, it's definitely progressing and moving. 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:49.260 I mean, we got cars, for crying out loud, that park themselves now. 01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:52.380 They can see and know how to back in and move. 01:02:52.460 --> 01:02:57.060 I mean, there's, there's, you know what I wonder is, like, kind of what I said earlier about the robotics 01:02:57.060 --> 01:03:01.220 and you were saying that that's simple infrared eyes and stuff like that. 01:03:01.300 --> 01:03:03.320 You know, we're talking Roomba technology here. 01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:08.560 But it seems like there's, seems like there's got to be, there's probably, like everything else, 01:03:08.640 --> 01:03:12.040 especially when the government's involved, one hand doesn't know what the other's doing. 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.340 I mean, do you know or do you, do you have any knowledge of how much people are working together? 01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:25.420 Like, you know, is, are they doing research in robotics over in Japan that really is similar to this research for the blind 01:03:25.420 --> 01:03:30.340 that may or may not be related to the, you know, the car parking itself? 01:03:30.460 --> 01:03:33.680 I'm joking, you know, but it, I mean, it seems like they're all somewhat related. 01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.600 Are these people sharing information or? 01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:39.400 And, no, that's probably it for a lot of sciences nowadays. 01:03:39.560 --> 01:03:43.120 And that's the sad thing is that, well, there are certain things like, you know, 01:03:43.120 --> 01:03:48.280 a bunch of people acting around with the genome right now that are looking at large, you know, databases 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.260 and they can all share information. 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:57.120 Publishing papers isn't necessarily enough to, you know, let everyone know what's going on. 01:03:57.240 --> 01:04:00.600 You know, it needs an aggregator, I guess, of sorts. 01:04:01.100 --> 01:04:04.360 And so, yeah, I mean, you've got the MIT working on machine vision, 01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.900 but who knows what a specific university in Japan is going along with. 01:04:09.500 --> 01:04:11.220 And so I tell you the truth. 01:04:11.220 --> 01:04:17.580 I couldn't, you know, really tell you how a lot of these research organizations are, you know, linked together. 01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:23.180 But from my idea and from, you know, most of what I've looked up, a lot of them seem fairly disparate. 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:26.580 You know, it seems like they're essentially all working on their own thing 01:04:26.580 --> 01:04:31.240 and, you know, leaving it up to certain people to tie a bunch of them together. 01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:38.560 Well, and I'll tell you one other concern I have about this is we're going to kind of start wrapping up here in a few minutes. 01:04:38.560 --> 01:04:42.140 One other concern I have is the future of this. 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:46.060 Once it becomes, once it gets to the, like right now it's open source, 01:04:46.160 --> 01:04:48.580 it's people working together on this kind of stuff, which is great. 01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:50.720 But at some point there's going to be money in it. 01:04:51.060 --> 01:04:52.120 There's going to be money involved. 01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:54.700 And one of the biggest and most corrupt systems, 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.440 and I don't want to go into a big political tangent or anything, 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.220 but that's the medical industry, the insurance industry. 01:05:00.220 --> 01:05:02.780 If they get their hands on something like this, 01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:06.060 when it does become a more believable solution, 01:05:06.200 --> 01:05:10.360 a more realistic solution closer to coming to fruition and actual day-to-day use, 01:05:10.900 --> 01:05:14.300 you know, whether that's the next generation or three generations down the road, 01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:19.180 that all of a sudden this is all going to close up and become privately owned, 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.080 that this development is going to stop, the price is on it. 01:05:22.100 --> 01:05:24.600 It's not going to be something that anybody and everybody, like you said, 01:05:24.620 --> 01:05:26.620 on limited income is going to have accessible. 01:05:26.620 --> 01:05:30.240 Ironically, the accessibility tools are not going to be accessible. 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:33.600 I mean, how do you prevent that from happening? 01:05:33.740 --> 01:05:39.180 That's why I was specifically citing the one website in particular that I was citing earlier, 01:05:39.660 --> 01:05:40.440 you know, that... 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:41.360 SeeingWithSound? 01:05:42.500 --> 01:05:45.740 SeeingWithSound.com, you know, they stress that everything's open. 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.340 You know, you could go through and you could hack together. 01:05:48.460 --> 01:05:51.640 It's not like this is going to be proprietary cell phone stuff. 01:05:51.720 --> 01:05:54.260 This is going to be actually, I hate to, you know, 01:05:54.260 --> 01:05:56.420 draw something to a little toy I've been looking at recently, 01:05:56.620 --> 01:06:03.600 but open MoCo, and that's essentially a phone that from the ground up hardware has been built. 01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:07.160 Everything's completely GPL, the hardware and the software. 01:06:07.900 --> 01:06:11.540 And it's up to certain groups of people to a certain extent. 01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:14.300 You know, all of this stuff that's GPL, yeah. 01:06:14.700 --> 01:06:17.480 If they take that and run with it before somebody makes it proprietary, 01:06:18.020 --> 01:06:21.560 then it's going to be like people using OpenOffice or Firefox. 01:06:21.560 --> 01:06:26.800 You know, the proprietary side of it won't even make sense to most people. 01:06:27.260 --> 01:06:32.700 So right now, a lot of it, because it's cots, you know, albeit probably expensive cots with the CCDs 01:06:32.700 --> 01:06:37.480 and, you know, everything else, it's still available to the average person. 01:06:37.580 --> 01:06:39.900 They can hack together their own kit and play around with it. 01:06:39.900 --> 01:06:44.720 I mean, you know, that's the power of the people. 01:06:44.860 --> 01:06:47.160 That's one of the things that I love about OpenSource is, you know, 01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:52.240 something like this right now, a company isn't going to take away somebody that has a site 01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:58.700 that gives you a list of cots, you know, parts and, you know, and free software. 01:06:58.700 --> 01:07:02.880 Well, and you know what, I kind of wonder too, and this will be interesting. 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.380 I don't know if I'll live long enough to see this out to fruition, 01:07:05.540 --> 01:07:09.720 but it might be interesting because this is all OpenSource, you know, and this is people, 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.360 you know, OpenSource stuff is OpenSource for a reason. 01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:16.820 So people can take it and use it themselves, maybe tweak it, further develop it, 01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.620 knowing how it works, et cetera, customize it for their use. 01:07:19.620 --> 01:07:25.720 You know, right now from a software standpoint, we take and use a lot of OpenSource software 01:07:25.720 --> 01:07:30.900 and tweak it to manipulate it to do what I want it to do, push it a little bit further, 01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:33.500 hack it, make it better, make it customized to me. 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:36.520 Let me see what I can do with this. 01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:42.880 I can see in the future, I don't know, this might be a stretch, I don't know, 01:07:42.940 --> 01:07:47.740 but I could really see, obviously if you're talking about surgeries and cyborg 01:07:47.740 --> 01:07:49.940 and planning stuff in your brain, that's not going to happen. 01:07:50.300 --> 01:07:51.940 But it might be some interesting things. 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:52.440 Yeah, I know, that was a little far-fetched. 01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:52.640 Right. 01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:57.400 But there are some things that I can foresee people, like a hacker at home, 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.620 deciding that they do want to try this and maybe invent some glasses themselves 01:08:01.620 --> 01:08:06.360 and develop it in their garage for their own use, just for the cool factor of it, 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.820 just for the neat factor, not necessarily. 01:08:09.080 --> 01:08:11.280 Yeah, close your eyes and walk down the middle of Wall Street. 01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:18.280 Sounds like the next... 01:08:18.280 --> 01:08:19.140 Spit it out. 01:08:19.160 --> 01:08:19.620 Oh, my God. 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:22.800 Am I going to have to get you a Netflix subscription, too? 01:08:22.820 --> 01:08:23.520 People are going to kill me. 01:08:24.400 --> 01:08:24.800 Hope. 01:08:25.900 --> 01:08:26.620 The next hope? 01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:29.120 Sounds like what should be done at the next hope. 01:08:29.220 --> 01:08:32.420 Yeah, I don't think it's going to be done by then, if there's a next hope. 01:08:32.440 --> 01:08:35.920 A bunch of hackers walking around with headgear, like walking down Wall Street. 01:08:36.280 --> 01:08:39.180 No, no, we'll probably be riding segues, if anything. 01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:40.740 That's if there's a next hope. 01:08:41.020 --> 01:08:43.080 I guess that's a topic for another time, though. 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:44.560 Well, maybe DEF CON. 01:08:45.020 --> 01:08:45.560 There you go. 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:46.060 There you go. 01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:46.920 Walking down the strip. 01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:48.120 That's exactly what we need. 01:08:48.160 --> 01:08:52.080 A bunch of people walking down the strip with big glasses on, 01:08:52.460 --> 01:08:54.280 trying to interpret everything that they see. 01:08:54.740 --> 01:08:56.000 That's the place to test it. 01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:58.480 If it can handle Vegas, the strip in Vegas, it can handle anything. 01:08:58.940 --> 01:09:00.100 There's a lot of signs. 01:09:00.540 --> 01:09:01.640 There you go right there. 01:09:01.700 --> 01:09:02.900 It's probably a great test. 01:09:03.140 --> 01:09:05.140 And it'd handle all the neon and colors and everything. 01:09:05.620 --> 01:09:06.360 All right, well, I'll tell you what. 01:09:06.380 --> 01:09:07.400 Is there anything else here? 01:09:07.400 --> 01:09:09.100 We're going to probably have to wrap up here in a second. 01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:12.520 Is there anything you want to summarize or anything we left off that you think is worth mentioning? 01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:17.660 I mean, there's a couple of site-specific links. 01:09:17.660 --> 01:09:23.640 I mean, the only thing else that I really have off of there is, you know, that it is important and it's going to be forced. 01:09:23.860 --> 01:09:30.340 You know, there's AOL and a bunch of other sites have been sued recently because, you know, people have said that they aren't accessible. 01:09:30.340 --> 01:09:37.960 Well, AJAX is another thing that impairs it, but, you know, a lot of that stuff is going to have to move in the future 01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:42.520 because there's more people that are tech-aware nowadays, so it's a good thing. 01:09:42.540 --> 01:09:49.440 Well, yeah, you've got, you know, there's the ADA Disability Act that is going to require certain things from, you know, 01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:55.420 but, yeah, let's stay away from, like, the legal and other implications and focus on the tech. 01:09:55.440 --> 01:10:01.840 Well, I mean, yeah, a couple of programmers are probably going to say I'm an asshole because they have to make, like, an ASCII version of their site, but... 01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:03.440 Right, yeah, I mean... 01:10:03.440 --> 01:10:12.800 I'm going to try not to be, like, a HTML purist right now and speak about how broken AJAX is because I get paid to write a bunch of AJAX apps, so... 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:14.300 Yeah, don't, don't... 01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:14.580 Yeah. 01:10:15.580 --> 01:10:17.060 Don't shit where you eat. 01:10:17.060 --> 01:10:18.920 I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me, I promise. 01:10:19.200 --> 01:10:20.100 Yeah, don't shit where you eat. 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:21.460 Yeah, I know. 01:10:22.380 --> 01:10:22.800 All right. 01:10:22.820 --> 01:10:24.720 Yeah, that's pretty much it. 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:30.440 And, you know, I would say if anyone wants to flame, don't, you know, kill, like, stank dog, 01:10:30.440 --> 01:10:41.160 you can email me at neaflex at gmail.com, so if you have any questions or want any additional resources or you just feel like flaming, you can go ahead. 01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:47.300 Or if you're down in South Florida and you want to check out the BinRev slash BinRev 561 meeting. 01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:47.560 Yeah. 01:10:47.900 --> 01:10:48.860 Third Friday of every month. 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:51.840 Take a couple of Guinnesses and talk about hacking. 01:10:52.240 --> 01:10:53.240 I'm always up for it. 01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:59.020 So I guess on that we'll kind of segue into the shouts, and I'll let you go ahead and go first since I'm sure, 01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:02.360 I guess we've got to give shouts out to the GenRev meeting, so go from there. 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:02.800 Yeah. 01:11:03.180 --> 01:11:12.880 I'll give shouts to Logos, Blunderbuss, let's see, Tiaxka, I can never pronounce his handle correctly. 01:11:13.180 --> 01:11:13.700 Tiaxka? 01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:14.880 Yeah. 01:11:17.020 --> 01:11:17.780 Let's see. 01:11:18.940 --> 01:11:24.400 Got to give shouts to Pyromoto, give shouts to Freak Mac, of course. 01:11:25.080 --> 01:11:27.860 And I think I'm pretty much out right now. 01:11:27.860 --> 01:11:30.460 If I left you out of the list, I'm sorry, so. 01:11:30.900 --> 01:11:31.340 All right. 01:11:31.440 --> 01:11:35.740 And, of course, I definitely second everyone at the BR561 meeting that I met down there 01:11:35.740 --> 01:11:40.440 and have known for a lot of you guys for years, so certainly second you on all of that stuff. 01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:44.280 And I guess I'll also give shout-outs to everybody, not only from my BR407 meeting, 01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:53.220 but Right Coast and I actually went over to the west side, took a little 187 action over to the west coast 01:11:53.220 --> 01:11:56.040 over there on Tampa to the BR813 meeting last weekend. 01:11:56.260 --> 01:12:01.840 So Enigma and Spinsane, the gang over there, took good care of us, had a nice, fun meeting, 01:12:01.940 --> 01:12:08.000 had some good laughs, talked about some cool projects that aren't ready for primetime discussion yet. 01:12:08.700 --> 01:12:09.960 Oh, and actually, you know what? 01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:11.960 I should have mentioned this in the housekeeping. 01:12:12.120 --> 01:12:13.660 I'm going to do it now because I have time. 01:12:14.940 --> 01:12:17.040 Oh, and I've got to give shouts to Thought Freaker, too. 01:12:17.140 --> 01:12:21.060 Thought Freaker's been doing some cool stuff with the Living Good Switch, doing a lot of research on that 01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:23.160 and some other things, so shouts to him. 01:12:23.160 --> 01:12:25.920 But I'm going to – this is some late, last-minute housekeeping. 01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:31.400 Willhackforfood.biz is up, but it's down. 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:36.900 And what I mean by that is we realized – there's some back story here. 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:42.440 Willhackforfood.biz was a site that I registered many years ago just because it sounded funny 01:12:42.440 --> 01:12:47.600 and especially funny because it was a .biz for business, which I thought was really stupid. 01:12:47.940 --> 01:12:52.540 So I registered it because it was like $5, $3 to register at the time or something like that. 01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:56.140 And we ended up turning that into our disposable email solution. 01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:03.540 Well, one of the things about it is that .biz is heavily filtered by a lot of mail services 01:13:03.540 --> 01:13:08.480 and having the word hack in it also kind of – it doesn't make it easy to use. 01:13:08.480 --> 01:13:12.080 If you're going to use that somewhere, they see the word hack in it. 01:13:12.100 --> 01:13:14.200 We know what the connotation of that is, unfortunately. 01:13:14.620 --> 01:13:19.380 So what we have done is actually gone out and registered a new domain for that. 01:13:19.480 --> 01:13:22.380 Same engine, works the same way that it's always worked, 01:13:22.380 --> 01:13:24.600 tested and up and running now as you hear this. 01:13:24.900 --> 01:13:29.700 You can go to WH4F, which stands, of course, for Willhackforfood, 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.080 but it's not quite as obvious. 01:13:32.460 --> 01:13:33.940 WH4F.org. 01:13:34.940 --> 01:13:39.340 So hopefully it will get by any blocks that people may be putting out there. 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.200 So check out WH4F.org. 01:13:42.320 --> 01:13:44.020 Willhackforfood is up and running, 01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:49.200 so you have your secure disposable email accounts back up and running again. 01:13:49.200 --> 01:13:50.660 So feel free to use that. 01:13:51.540 --> 01:13:54.600 And I'm not going to cheap out and make that the site of the week. 01:13:54.660 --> 01:13:57.000 Actually, we do have another site of the week that you gave us. 01:13:57.080 --> 01:14:00.320 It is – and let me make sure I say this enunciate clearly – 01:14:00.320 --> 01:14:02.300 XKCD. 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:03.900 That's X as in X-ray, 01:14:04.080 --> 01:14:05.800 K as in kangaroo, 01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.400 C as in cock ring, 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:08.880 I don't know, 01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:11.460 D as in dog.com. 01:14:11.500 --> 01:14:11.900 Is that right? 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:13.140 Oh, yeah. 01:14:13.300 --> 01:14:14.080 That's a great site. 01:14:14.160 --> 01:14:15.520 I've got to say it's one of my favorites. 01:14:15.900 --> 01:14:16.140 All right. 01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:17.940 So that's a cool webcomic there, 01:14:18.040 --> 01:14:21.240 some funny tech humor there. 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:22.980 And our email address – 01:14:22.980 --> 01:14:24.900 God hacking together the universe and pearl. 01:14:25.700 --> 01:14:27.200 So if that seems to appeal to you, 01:14:27.220 --> 01:14:28.300 then you'll probably like the website. 01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:30.000 And I think that will appeal to our audience. 01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:32.460 Any feedback of any kind, 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:33.980 we would appreciate, 01:14:34.200 --> 01:14:35.680 and we will follow up on a future show. 01:14:35.780 --> 01:14:38.900 So you can email us radio at binrev.com, 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.720 and I will wade through all the spam to get to the actual emails. 01:14:42.040 --> 01:14:45.220 And hopefully we will read them on a future show. 01:14:45.320 --> 01:14:46.580 So please give us your feedback, 01:14:46.740 --> 01:14:46.920 good, 01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:47.320 bad, 01:14:47.360 --> 01:14:48.020 or indifferent. 01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:52.300 And our closing music tonight is Emergency Pizza Party, 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:53.740 which I think – 01:14:53.740 --> 01:14:54.540 speaking of Tampa, 01:14:54.540 --> 01:14:57.100 I think that is actually a nerdcore group 01:14:57.100 --> 01:14:59.720 or a group of nerdcore artists from 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:00.920 over in the Tampa 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.120 and possibly some in the Orlando area. 01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:05.200 So Emergency Pizza Party, 01:15:05.260 --> 01:15:06.960 it's a song called Get A Life, 01:15:07.160 --> 01:15:09.180 which was on Song Fight last week. 01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:11.140 So enjoy that music. 01:15:11.320 --> 01:15:11.920 And Mia Flux, 01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:13.320 thank you for being on the show. 01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:14.760 Thank you. 01:15:14.860 --> 01:15:17.700 And pass on my good wishes 01:15:17.700 --> 01:15:20.260 and have an extra Guinness. 01:15:20.620 --> 01:15:20.820 Yeah, 01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:23.060 have everybody have an extra Guinness for the dog 01:15:23.060 --> 01:15:25.260 at your meeting next month. 01:15:25.780 --> 01:15:26.640 And actually – 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:26.820 I will, thanks. 01:15:27.220 --> 01:15:27.960 Uncle Stank. 01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:29.900 Uncle Stank. 01:15:30.320 --> 01:15:31.120 What are you trying to say? 01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:31.880 I'm old or what? 01:15:32.780 --> 01:15:33.520 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:34.840 Or that I touch you, 01:15:34.900 --> 01:15:35.480 one or the other. 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:36.880 Yeah. 01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:37.620 That I touch – 01:15:37.620 --> 01:15:38.620 The proverbial Uncle Stank. 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:39.020 Yeah, 01:15:39.060 --> 01:15:40.880 I'm touching you inappropriately at the meetings. 01:15:40.980 --> 01:15:42.420 Is that the hidden message there? 01:15:42.820 --> 01:15:43.480 Oh, wow. 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:44.020 No, no, no. 01:15:44.060 --> 01:15:44.940 Just the cookie girl. 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:46.260 Oh, yeah. 01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:47.780 Is the cookie girl still there? 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:49.060 Oh, yeah. 01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:49.820 She's still there. 01:15:49.820 --> 01:15:51.380 I saw her last 2600 meeting. 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:52.040 Really? 01:15:52.040 --> 01:15:52.720 I was almost, you know, 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:53.980 averse to go up and approach her. 01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:54.980 I figured she might have been, 01:15:54.980 --> 01:15:55.280 you know, 01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:57.380 done with hackers completely. 01:15:57.740 --> 01:15:57.960 No, 01:15:58.020 --> 01:15:59.120 she's fiending over me, dude. 01:15:59.180 --> 01:15:59.780 You've got to go up there 01:15:59.780 --> 01:16:00.740 and tell her I'm still – 01:16:00.740 --> 01:16:01.280 I've got to come – 01:16:01.280 --> 01:16:01.420 yeah, 01:16:01.540 --> 01:16:01.720 see, 01:16:01.760 --> 01:16:02.740 I didn't realize she'd still be there. 01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:03.200 I've got to come – 01:16:03.200 --> 01:16:05.180 people think the cookie girl is like not real, 01:16:05.220 --> 01:16:06.540 like I made the story up or something. 01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:07.600 No, no, no, no, no. 01:16:07.700 --> 01:16:07.960 Hey, 01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:10.440 I was personally there for a number of years, 01:16:10.480 --> 01:16:10.780 remember? 01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:11.780 Right. 01:16:11.780 --> 01:16:14.640 I will stand right now and verify. 01:16:15.200 --> 01:16:16.620 The cookie girl does exist. 01:16:17.100 --> 01:16:17.680 And she's hot. 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:19.460 And she's hot. 01:16:20.040 --> 01:16:21.320 And she's of age now, right? 01:16:21.420 --> 01:16:23.860 A personal note would steal her away from you. 01:16:23.860 --> 01:16:26.440 If I didn't fear the wrath of BinRev. 01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:28.980 As if you had a chance. 01:16:29.080 --> 01:16:29.760 Come on. 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:30.800 Yeah, 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:31.340 she'll be like, 01:16:31.380 --> 01:16:32.080 I'm dropping you 01:16:32.080 --> 01:16:34.160 because I saw you got flamed a lot online. 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:37.520 If we were judged – 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:38.880 That would be the most novel breakup 01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:39.960 that I've ever had, though. 01:16:40.260 --> 01:16:40.700 True. 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:42.460 If we got judged for how much – 01:16:42.460 --> 01:16:42.700 you know, 01:16:42.740 --> 01:16:47.600 if that was a variable by which we were judged 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:49.000 how much we were flamed online, 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:50.440 I would never, 01:16:50.540 --> 01:16:50.800 ever, 01:16:50.900 --> 01:16:52.460 ever have any kind of interaction 01:16:52.460 --> 01:16:53.800 with anybody in the world. 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:55.560 It's not like Jay and Silent Bob 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:56.300 strike back. 01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:57.080 Exactly. 01:16:57.980 --> 01:16:58.960 Oh, man. 01:16:59.820 --> 01:17:00.980 Well, okay, so – 01:17:00.980 --> 01:17:01.000 Oh, oh, oh. 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:01.700 One other – 01:17:01.700 --> 01:17:01.960 Yes. 01:17:02.040 --> 01:17:04.400 Oh, quick thing before the sign-off. 01:17:05.400 --> 01:17:06.780 Logos was talking about 01:17:06.780 --> 01:17:09.020 doing a wiki 01:17:09.020 --> 01:17:10.840 on the regional 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:12.980 BinRev meetings page. 01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:14.240 And I didn't know 01:17:14.240 --> 01:17:16.440 if that was going to be rolled out 01:17:16.440 --> 01:17:17.440 big time 01:17:17.440 --> 01:17:19.520 or if we were just playing around with that. 01:17:19.740 --> 01:17:20.460 But I didn't know 01:17:20.460 --> 01:17:22.280 if you wanted to endorse that 01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:23.440 and talk about that a little bit. 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:24.320 Oh, I'm not sure. 01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:24.740 Actually, 01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:26.120 we have someone 01:17:26.120 --> 01:17:27.080 that's going to be working on 01:17:27.080 --> 01:17:27.820 the taking over 01:17:27.820 --> 01:17:29.480 the BinRev meetings pages. 01:17:29.660 --> 01:17:29.940 And actually, 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:30.720 I guess they already have. 01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:31.700 I can announce that Enigma 01:17:31.700 --> 01:17:33.540 is going to be taking that on as well. 01:17:34.380 --> 01:17:34.740 Again, 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:35.180 Enigma, 01:17:35.260 --> 01:17:36.360 who's been doing all our show notes 01:17:36.360 --> 01:17:37.000 and helping out 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:37.840 with a lot of projects 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:38.920 and running the BR813, 01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:40.320 he's going to be taking 01:17:40.320 --> 01:17:41.160 kind of responsibility 01:17:41.160 --> 01:17:41.840 and driving 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:43.420 the BinRev meeting sites 01:17:43.420 --> 01:17:44.800 along with Tabiz as well 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:46.580 who's been running it 01:17:46.580 --> 01:17:47.580 with myself in the past. 01:17:47.700 --> 01:17:48.280 So the two of them 01:17:48.280 --> 01:17:49.380 are going to run that kind of stuff 01:17:49.380 --> 01:17:50.180 and keep it organized 01:17:50.180 --> 01:17:50.760 and up to date. 01:17:51.120 --> 01:17:51.860 So, I don't know. 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:52.820 We'll have to talk about that. 01:17:52.820 --> 01:17:53.280 We'll shout out to Tabiz too. 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:54.140 Oh yeah, 01:17:54.320 --> 01:17:56.540 Tabiz and Mrs. Tabiz. 01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.300 I guess we shouldn't use Mrs. yet. 01:17:58.700 --> 01:17:58.880 Yeah, 01:17:59.240 --> 01:18:00.060 Miss Tabiz. 01:18:00.140 --> 01:18:00.740 We'll be careful. 01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:01.000 Yeah, 01:18:01.060 --> 01:18:02.180 what's the politically correct? 01:18:02.440 --> 01:18:03.220 MS period. 01:18:04.160 --> 01:18:04.880 Freak Nurse. 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.060 Shouts to Freak Nurse. 01:18:08.040 --> 01:18:08.480 But anyway, 01:18:08.660 --> 01:18:08.920 yes, 01:18:09.020 --> 01:18:10.360 have a few Genrev for me. 01:18:10.360 --> 01:18:12.700 Make sure you keep your eyes open 01:18:12.700 --> 01:18:13.740 for Undercover Cops 01:18:13.740 --> 01:18:14.480 because you know what we do 01:18:14.480 --> 01:18:15.540 to Undercover Cops. 01:18:16.100 --> 01:18:16.980 1-8-7. 01:18:17.180 --> 01:18:17.420 Brr. 01:18:17.980 --> 01:18:18.420 Brr. 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:19.180 Brr. 01:18:21.260 --> 01:18:23.380 That's like a gun 01:18:23.380 --> 01:18:24.740 at a clown circus or something. 01:18:24.820 --> 01:18:26.220 That's the worst gun sound. 01:18:26.700 --> 01:18:27.040 Oh, 01:18:27.120 --> 01:18:28.320 I am totally not going to find 01:18:28.320 --> 01:18:28.980 real gunshots, 01:18:29.100 --> 01:18:29.940 so you're going to have to 01:18:29.940 --> 01:18:30.440 live with that, 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:30.840 everybody. 01:18:31.320 --> 01:18:31.560 So, 01:18:31.740 --> 01:18:33.500 until next week, 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:34.260 next episode, 01:18:34.480 --> 01:18:35.780 we will see you guys 01:18:35.780 --> 01:18:37.360 same hat time. 01:18:38.220 --> 01:18:39.320 Same hat channel. 01:18:39.320 --> 01:18:57.540 Your music is poop. 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.540 Your music is poop. 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:01.640 Your music is poop. 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:03.700 We're wrapping the poop. 01:19:04.260 --> 01:19:05.480 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:05.620 --> 01:19:07.900 why do you hate nerdcore? 01:19:07.900 --> 01:19:09.580 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:09.980 --> 01:19:12.320 he's covered in cold sores. 01:19:12.420 --> 01:19:12.620 Well, 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:13.360 if you don't like it, 01:19:13.400 --> 01:19:14.300 listen to the track deck. 01:19:14.360 --> 01:19:15.280 Don't be flippin' on me 01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:16.280 because my music is whack. 01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:17.420 I didn't know that 01:19:17.420 --> 01:19:18.400 I was so disliked. 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:19.380 Maybe I should just 01:19:19.380 --> 01:19:20.380 put down the mic. 01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:21.520 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:21.740 --> 01:19:24.080 you need to get a life. 01:19:24.660 --> 01:19:25.400 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:26.500 you're a big fat jerk. 01:19:26.580 --> 01:19:27.180 When you spit your shit, 01:19:27.240 --> 01:19:28.560 the microphone gets covered in turds. 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:29.660 Everybody on the PBS 01:19:29.660 --> 01:19:30.540 knows you suck. 01:19:30.740 --> 01:19:31.640 And stop feelin' up 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:32.660 on my boyfriend's butt. 01:19:32.660 --> 01:19:33.840 It's time for you to get a life 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:34.600 but you don't care 01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:35.760 cause you're gettin' more blaze 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:36.620 than the average bear. 01:19:36.740 --> 01:19:37.720 Put your panties back on, 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:38.700 we don't wanna see that. 01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:39.480 Don't flaunt that 01:19:39.480 --> 01:19:40.740 red-haired baby rap. 01:19:41.080 --> 01:19:42.840 Why you got me spittin' on this? 01:19:43.080 --> 01:19:43.860 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:44.880 sounds like a bitch. 01:19:45.040 --> 01:19:45.900 Skip this track, 01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:46.960 I'd rather smoke crack. 01:19:47.180 --> 01:19:47.860 Compare me, 01:19:48.040 --> 01:19:48.920 yeah, that's fair. 01:19:49.100 --> 01:19:51.180 110% better than B-Bear. 01:19:51.240 --> 01:19:53.040 I'm the one that brings the flair. 01:19:53.300 --> 01:19:54.060 Benjamin Bear, 01:19:54.120 --> 01:19:55.000 I hit and miss. 01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.120 I'd rather drink a jar of piss. 01:19:57.120 --> 01:19:58.540 Your music is poop. 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:00.560 Your music is poop. 01:20:01.020 --> 01:20:02.620 Your music is poop. 01:20:03.060 --> 01:20:04.580 We're rappin' the poop. 01:20:05.440 --> 01:20:06.500 Benjamin Bear, 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.900 why do you hate nerdcore? 01:20:09.480 --> 01:20:10.620 Benjamin Bear, 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:13.280 he's covered in cold sores. 01:20:13.440 --> 01:20:14.380 Well, if you don't like it, 01:20:14.440 --> 01:20:15.320 listen to the track back. 01:20:15.400 --> 01:20:16.280 Don't be flippin' on me 01:20:16.280 --> 01:20:17.320 cause my music is whack. 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.420 I didn't know that I was so disliked. 01:20:19.420 --> 01:20:21.420 Maybe I should just put down the mic. 01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:22.560 Benjamin Bear, 01:20:23.180 --> 01:20:25.120 you need to get a life. 01:20:25.740 --> 01:20:26.500 Y'all be there. 01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:27.780 Time to make you a bitch. 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:28.320 Red hair, 01:20:28.420 --> 01:20:29.540 so we burn you like a witch. 01:20:29.580 --> 01:20:30.540 You got a smaller dick 01:20:30.540 --> 01:20:31.520 than any bear should. 01:20:31.700 --> 01:20:32.660 This track gives both 01:20:32.660 --> 01:20:33.740 beefy and shellwood. 01:20:33.980 --> 01:20:34.680 Oh, does it burn? 01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:35.180 Does it sting? 01:20:35.240 --> 01:20:35.700 Does it hurt? 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:37.180 All the good stuff and darks 01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:37.920 that came from Rain Thirst. 01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:39.180 Does a bear shit in the woods? 01:20:39.240 --> 01:20:39.880 You might ask. 01:20:40.000 --> 01:20:40.680 Not B-Bear, 01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:41.780 he shits on the track. 01:20:42.020 --> 01:20:42.680 Benjamin Bear, 01:20:42.740 --> 01:20:43.800 you need to get yourself a life. 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:44.560 You need to stop 01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:45.860 hittin' rocks from the crack pipe. 01:20:45.940 --> 01:20:46.640 You've been hurtin' 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:47.880 nerdcore from day one. 01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:48.900 Your raps are poop 01:20:48.900 --> 01:20:49.900 and your beats are dumb. 01:20:49.980 --> 01:20:51.000 But I don't give a fuck. 01:20:51.080 --> 01:20:51.380 All this, 01:20:51.440 --> 01:20:52.180 you don't beat all. 01:20:52.240 --> 01:20:52.360 Look, 01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:52.940 you've been banned 01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:53.960 from the NERCO documentary. 01:20:54.160 --> 01:20:54.980 It's gonna be a fault 01:20:54.980 --> 01:20:56.020 if you lose on fight. 01:20:56.280 --> 01:20:56.980 Suck B-Bear, 01:20:57.060 --> 01:20:58.040 you need to get a life. 01:20:58.200 --> 01:20:59.560 Your music is poop. 01:20:59.900 --> 01:21:01.560 Your music is poop. 01:21:02.040 --> 01:21:03.640 Your music is poop. 01:21:03.980 --> 01:21:05.640 We're rappin' the poop. 01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:07.520 Benjamin Bear, 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:09.960 why do you hate nerdcore? 01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:11.640 Benjamin Bear, 01:21:12.020 --> 01:21:14.280 he's covered in cold sores. 01:21:14.480 --> 01:21:15.420 Well, if you don't like it, 01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:16.140 this is in the track. 01:21:16.200 --> 01:21:17.320 Don't be flippin' on me 01:21:17.320 --> 01:21:18.360 cause my music is whack. 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:19.340 I didn't know 01:21:19.340 --> 01:21:20.460 that I was so disliked. 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:21.440 Maybe I should just 01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:22.420 put down the mic. 01:21:22.420 --> 01:21:23.580 Benjamin Bear, 01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:26.120 you need to get a life. 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:27.420 Hangin' tough 01:21:27.420 --> 01:21:28.560 like a new kid on the block. 01:21:28.780 --> 01:21:29.640 Benjamin Bear, 01:21:29.820 --> 01:21:30.900 he be givin' no fuck. 01:21:31.080 --> 01:21:32.380 You're a stupid dumb cock. 01:21:32.540 --> 01:21:34.460 You can't even make this mic rock. 01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:35.860 Tryna bust the flow, 01:21:35.940 --> 01:21:36.780 you would not be asshole. 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:37.720 You put the nuts 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:38.460 in the nuts. 01:21:38.620 --> 01:21:39.040 That's all. 01:21:39.220 --> 01:21:40.540 Don't even try to rap. 01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:41.780 You're a nerd called Pussy. 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:43.040 Change your maxi pod. 01:21:43.300 --> 01:21:44.300 Make way for the worst 01:21:44.300 --> 01:21:44.840 in the game. 01:21:45.100 --> 01:21:45.740 Benjamin Bear, 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:46.700 sit in there for lame. 01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:47.880 I got the worst rhymes 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:48.660 at the worst beats. 01:21:49.120 --> 01:21:49.920 Movin' a fight 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:50.840 in the dark cold sea. 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:51.640 Put your back down, 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:52.040 Benzie. 01:21:52.040 --> 01:21:52.960 Don't you care, man? 01:21:53.200 --> 01:21:53.900 Sell the target 01:21:53.900 --> 01:21:54.980 when you brought that crap. 01:21:55.080 --> 01:21:55.900 Everyone knows 01:21:55.900 --> 01:21:56.540 that you're the worst 01:21:56.540 --> 01:21:57.000 in the land. 01:21:57.060 --> 01:21:57.480 You from here 01:21:57.480 --> 01:21:58.040 right now 01:21:58.040 --> 01:21:58.900 started jumping. 01:21:59.320 --> 01:22:01.340 You Conan O'Brien, 01:22:01.740 --> 01:22:02.200 E.B. 01:22:02.380 --> 01:22:04.180 Wan-looking motherfucker. 01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:07.220 You call yourself a bear. 01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:09.280 Benjamin Bear, 01:22:09.700 --> 01:22:11.040 you suck. 01:22:11.040 --> 01:22:26.300 That's a thing here. 01:22:26.380 --> 01:22:27.400 You know, 01:22:27.400 --> 01:22:28.620 you in the gegangen 01:22:28.620 --> 01:22:28.900 you're the biggest 01:22:28.900 --> 01:22:29.680 one. 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:30.980 You're the most 01:22:30.980 --> 01:22:31.680 you're the biggest 01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.420 one. 01:22:32.980 --> 01:22:33.380 You're the biggest 01:22:33.380 --> 01:22:34.140 one. 01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:34.820 Hey, 01:22:34.820 --> 01:22:35.500 you play all the fact 01:22:35.500 --> 01:22:36.040 you're the biggest 01:22:36.040 --> 01:22:36.540 one.