WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.760 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:20.780 and a fag pwned, in your digital stance getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in 00:20.780 --> 00:26.440 my six-fold, I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable, 00:26.440 --> 00:31.740 on the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo, on the digital highway, my name is Neo and 00:31.740 --> 00:37.240 I'm a hero, in a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast, you need some ISO, let me through 00:37.240 --> 00:42.680 my hard drive rifle, our exchange you could never stifle, in a digital hug, you just caught 00:42.680 --> 00:48.940 the love bug, I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z, your CG, it's 00:48.940 --> 00:53.460 all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely, you feel that rattling 00:53.460 --> 00:58.140 your phones, when I tell you we just hacked out Jones, and NASDAQ leaves you flat on your 00:58.140 --> 01:03.440 back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.940 --> 01:11.160 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers, serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, 01:11.160 --> 01:14.180 SIFs, this is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:14.260 --> 01:14.560 What? 01:15.760 --> 01:19.460 I said I'm ready, but I won't compete, you're new, you don't know it, so just go away. 01:19.460 --> 01:21.060 What is that, what is that from? 01:22.200 --> 01:26.620 It's, uh, you ever seen the DMC, uh, turntable championships? 01:28.080 --> 01:30.140 Um, I've heard of them, I've never seen them. 01:30.800 --> 01:36.500 Ah, well, in any case, one of the guys, when he won, um, or not when he won, they did this 01:36.500 --> 01:40.440 summit where they had all the guys who had won for like the past seven years, and his, 01:40.440 --> 01:46.980 uh, his bid was cutting up, uh, Gangstar and something else, but he said I'm ready, but I 01:46.980 --> 01:49.560 won't compete. I forget the two songs that it's from, but I'll find it for you. 01:49.660 --> 01:53.160 Oh, hells yeah. Gotta go back to some Gangstar. 01:53.860 --> 01:55.080 Yo, it's Leet. 01:55.340 --> 01:59.620 And welcome everybody to the Leetest episode of Binary Revolution Radio, episode number 01:59.620 --> 02:05.540 192. And if you didn't recognize our opening voice this week, that of course was our good 02:05.540 --> 02:07.120 friend, Not Theory, returning to the show. 02:07.960 --> 02:10.660 God, you were recording already? I feel so violated. 02:10.960 --> 02:13.600 Well, I didn't record that other stuff we were talking about, you know. 02:13.600 --> 02:16.280 Oh, that's the stuff I wanted people to know about. 02:16.460 --> 02:18.180 Well, that might end up on the outtakes, we'll see. 02:18.780 --> 02:19.100 Word. 02:19.760 --> 02:25.980 But, uh, let's see, 192, I already said that, today is, uh, April 17th, 2007. 02:26.980 --> 02:31.360 Uh, I am Diggy, back with you once again. That's gonna be, I'm gonna change my name every week 02:31.360 --> 02:38.260 to something like Buff Daddy. So this week I'm Diggy, next week I'll be Doogie, then I'll 02:38.260 --> 02:39.740 be, I don't know, I'll figure it out. 02:40.200 --> 02:40.520 By then... 02:40.520 --> 02:41.560 You'll be Dougie, like Dougie Fresh. 02:41.560 --> 02:46.100 By then it'll be time to bring back, um, Buck Dangler anyway, so, whatever. 02:47.500 --> 02:49.040 Bow, chicka, bow, bow. 02:49.700 --> 02:54.520 Alright, housekeeping section this week, um, I don't, I got nothing. I got nothing. You 02:54.520 --> 02:59.120 got any kind of housekeeping for, um, for Bell's Mind, or should we wait until later on in 02:59.120 --> 02:59.840 the program for that? 03:00.400 --> 03:05.280 We will wait as there is a tie-in to the subject of the whole show. 03:05.500 --> 03:06.960 A segue, if you will. 03:07.500 --> 03:07.900 Segue! 03:07.900 --> 03:13.440 All right, so, boy, that's a throwback to episode, like, what? Actually, I think that 03:13.440 --> 03:14.500 goes back to RFA days. 03:14.760 --> 03:16.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was RFA. 03:16.100 --> 03:22.220 Yeah, wow, boy, that's a long time ago. I still don't have a segue. How much are those 03:22.220 --> 03:22.680 things now? 03:23.260 --> 03:26.300 I think, had it really gotten down all that much? I didn't think so. 03:26.560 --> 03:27.160 I don't know. 03:27.160 --> 03:35.020 I can look it up while you're, uh, drinking my sweet iced tea. And taking us into the email. 03:35.020 --> 04:04.480 And we are back from, uh, to do some email. And I guess we'll start off, let's see, what order 04:04.480 --> 04:08.120 should I do the email in? Okay, I'm going to start off with this first email from Zelle. 04:08.300 --> 04:10.800 Unless you actually already have the price up there by now. 04:11.640 --> 04:13.120 Uh, I'm getting there. 04:13.340 --> 04:13.740 All right. 04:13.740 --> 04:15.420 Oh, these guys are in... 04:15.420 --> 04:16.900 You fail at the interweb. 04:17.580 --> 04:23.220 I did fail at the interweb. Oh, these guys are selling the new Segway. Oh, shit. I've never 04:23.220 --> 04:23.760 seen it before. 04:24.200 --> 04:26.180 What's the difference between the new Segway and the old Segway? 04:26.700 --> 04:28.640 It has cooler wheels on it. 04:28.840 --> 04:30.020 Is it turbo or something? 04:30.960 --> 04:34.700 No, I think it's like, uh, yeah, it's all-terrain. That's what it is. 04:35.580 --> 04:38.160 Nice. You know, I want to Segway. I want to Segway. 04:38.260 --> 04:39.740 I have a lot of different versions of this thing. 04:39.980 --> 04:41.560 I want to Segway with hydraulics. 04:42.400 --> 04:43.260 Oh, yeah. 04:43.260 --> 04:44.980 Yeah, baby. I'll be like, boom. 04:45.920 --> 04:48.380 I'll be bouncing along left to right. Boom. 04:50.120 --> 04:50.940 Pimped out. 04:51.280 --> 04:52.360 Tricked my Segway out. 04:52.360 --> 04:55.740 All right. Well, first email this week comes from Zell. 04:56.300 --> 04:57.040 Zell says, 04:58.000 --> 05:02.820 While I cannot think of any way to try and increase your bandwidth on an internet connection with 05:02.820 --> 05:07.620 six different adapters, I do know that NVIDIA's newest motherboard makes it possible to do 05:07.620 --> 05:13.820 so with two Ethernet cards. In the NVIDIA N4 6000 motherboard, you can cheaply do that. 05:14.760 --> 05:18.840 And he's got a URL here, but it's NVIDIA.com. You guys can find that pretty easily. 05:18.840 --> 05:25.580 The NVIDIA 600 series, they call it, quote, dual net, a.k.a. really cheap way to add another 05:25.580 --> 05:31.140 pipe without getting some insane $10 billion Cisco 8000 series router. I'm not sure if this 05:31.140 --> 05:35.220 would work with two wireless adapters, but it definitely is a cheaper option to get more 05:35.220 --> 05:38.220 bandwidth and redundancy. Cool stuff. 05:38.940 --> 05:44.360 P.S. Your show owns. I say that you and RBCP from phonelosers.org get together and make 05:44.360 --> 05:52.200 a crazy awesome freaking podcast. Well, um, what do you think about that? 05:53.100 --> 05:59.240 A crazy awesome freaking podcast. Well, um, I know that you're not really too much of a 05:59.240 --> 06:04.520 freak, and despite what some people who know me might think, I'm not much one of, not much 06:04.520 --> 06:05.480 of one either, so. 06:05.660 --> 06:09.800 Aren't you the, what about the whole, despite what you think freaking is not dead thing? 06:10.360 --> 06:13.500 Freaking might not be dead, but I don't really know shit about it. 06:14.080 --> 06:16.860 You're supposed to be the savior of freaking. What are you talking about? 06:17.000 --> 06:22.320 Oh, come on, come on. I have a crappy website that has a bunch of phone information on it. 06:22.400 --> 06:26.160 So you're, you've got a database of phone and freaking information. 06:26.940 --> 06:30.780 Yeah, the whole, I'll go into the history of Bell's Mind at some point, but basically, 06:31.320 --> 06:35.840 um, I did Bell's Mind kind of as a favor to everybody in the, in the scene who was into 06:35.840 --> 06:40.580 freaking, uh, back in the day. And I've been maintaining it ever since. I've loved stuff 06:40.580 --> 06:44.380 about freaking, but I wouldn't consider myself, you know, master, super leader, a freak or 06:44.380 --> 06:44.600 anything. 06:45.080 --> 06:48.740 Was this back in the days when we were young, not a kid anymore? 06:49.900 --> 06:51.980 Sometimes I wish something, I don't know. 06:51.980 --> 06:58.320 Oh, yes, I owed you on the air. Yes, I got one by you. All right. 06:58.320 --> 07:05.620 Oh, some days I sit and wish I was a kid again. You don't remember? Anyway, uh, what'd you 07:05.620 --> 07:06.320 find out on the Segway? 07:07.800 --> 07:10.200 Nothing. They don't have prices online. You got to call them for a quote. 07:10.340 --> 07:12.720 Damn, that means they're expensive, but they can't even put a price online? 07:13.520 --> 07:14.140 Yeah, that's why. 07:14.160 --> 07:14.960 Did you try eBay? 07:16.340 --> 07:19.800 Uh, eBay's, eBay's got them, but I didn't know that we were going to go for, uh... 07:19.800 --> 07:25.400 Well, how much can I get, like, a ghetto used, um, you know, used by a little old lady who 07:25.400 --> 07:28.980 Segwayed to the grocery store once every two weeks or bingo or something? 07:29.500 --> 07:32.520 Oh, you want a Seg Hooptie, something that's just jacked up. 07:32.520 --> 07:33.240 That's right. 07:34.000 --> 07:35.720 Hooptie rolling, muffler dragging. 07:38.680 --> 07:40.160 All righty, all righty, let's see. 07:40.400 --> 07:40.720 Suspension. 07:42.300 --> 07:46.160 They don't have a buy-in-out. They just, they all, they're up for bidding, but they have 07:46.160 --> 07:48.940 no buy-in-out price, and none of them are close to, uh, the finish. 07:49.800 --> 07:53.080 Damn, the internet is not cooperating with our research here. 07:53.180 --> 07:57.720 Nah, the closest one I see is at, like, almost $1,700, but there's a day left to go. 07:59.400 --> 08:02.020 $1,700, and there's a day left to go. Hmm. 08:03.180 --> 08:05.780 Oh, man, that could go anywhere within 24 hours. 08:06.160 --> 08:09.160 Would you buy one? Would you buy one? How much would you be willing to pay for a Segway? 08:10.140 --> 08:10.660 Um... 08:10.660 --> 08:11.540 Would you pay $1,700? 08:12.320 --> 08:14.520 I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of zero. 08:15.040 --> 08:15.900 You wouldn't have one? 08:16.840 --> 08:19.780 I would, you know, give or take, um... 08:19.780 --> 08:20.920 You know, zero. 08:21.440 --> 08:21.760 Hmm. 08:23.100 --> 08:28.300 No, you know what? I saw, I was in D.C. recently, and I saw people riding around on them, and 08:28.300 --> 08:32.820 I don't know, they look kind of cool, but if it was one of the cool, like, all-terrain 08:32.820 --> 08:36.940 ones, uh, yeah, I would spend maybe $1,700 on it, I guess. Why not? 08:37.220 --> 08:41.280 Yeah, but if it was all-terrain, it would kind of defeat the point to be riding it around 08:41.280 --> 08:43.720 D.C. You need to take that shot up and... 08:43.720 --> 08:46.440 No, no, no, I'm saying that's where I saw it, and it was cool, but I would want the all-terrain 08:46.440 --> 08:48.860 one so that I could go and own noobs with it. 08:49.460 --> 08:50.140 Pwned noobs. 08:50.860 --> 08:51.140 Yeah. 08:52.200 --> 08:52.520 Huh. 08:52.520 --> 08:53.320 That's what it's all about. 08:54.080 --> 08:54.740 Pwned noobs? 08:55.340 --> 08:55.660 Yeah. 08:55.940 --> 08:57.720 Can you look cool on a Segway, though, honestly? 08:59.580 --> 08:59.860 Um... 08:59.860 --> 09:02.880 Does it, do you look like when you're, is it kind of like riding a moped? Do you look 09:02.880 --> 09:05.380 like really kind of lame when you're riding a Segway? 09:07.000 --> 09:11.360 I guess. The cops in D.C. don't really look lame because they have guns and they'll just 09:11.360 --> 09:11.700 kill you. 09:12.120 --> 09:15.940 Well, yeah, well, that helps, but what about the ordinary people? 09:17.160 --> 09:20.400 Oh, yeah, they look like morons because they've got to wear helmets and there's all this safety 09:20.400 --> 09:22.920 equipment and nonsense. They look totally ridiculous. 09:22.920 --> 09:24.520 You have to wear a helmet with us? Is that a law? 09:25.340 --> 09:29.800 Not a law, but this rental place that these people were touring with, they had to wear a helmet. 09:30.260 --> 09:33.300 Yeah, that's probably liability insurance thing, huh? 09:33.920 --> 09:34.240 Yeah. 09:34.580 --> 09:38.320 If I got one, I'd wear a helmet and I'd wear, like, goggles and I'd put a scarf around my 09:38.320 --> 09:41.780 neck and I'd, like, starch it so that it looks like I'm going really fast all the time. 09:44.000 --> 09:48.360 And I'd wear, like, a cape in some shit and I'd put a big wire in it so that it looks like 09:48.360 --> 09:49.900 I'm flying along at full blast. 09:51.360 --> 09:53.400 Wow, you really have serious issues. 09:55.880 --> 09:59.340 It'd be pretty cool, though, but you need to have sound effects with it, too, so it sounded 09:59.340 --> 10:00.300 good, like, doing all of that. 10:00.540 --> 10:02.900 Well, don't these things have, like, sound systems and whatnot in them? 10:02.920 --> 10:03.880 I could play sound effects. 10:04.560 --> 10:04.940 All right. 10:05.940 --> 10:06.280 I don't know. 10:06.280 --> 10:09.600 You know, I'm not really as much of an expert on segues as you'd think. 10:12.240 --> 10:13.880 Like, either one of us know jack shit. 10:13.940 --> 10:15.640 I don't even know if I could spell segway. 10:15.640 --> 10:16.640 All right. 10:17.640 --> 10:18.700 I can tackle that off. 10:18.900 --> 10:21.260 Well, now we totally ruined Zell's email here. 10:21.320 --> 10:23.340 Let me get back on task here. 10:23.740 --> 10:26.180 Have we been drinking or something before the show? 10:26.740 --> 10:31.180 No, I've had, like, 28 cups of tea, but they're all decaffeinated, so it doesn't really explain 10:31.180 --> 10:31.300 it. 10:31.420 --> 10:33.240 Okay, mine aren't decaffeinated, so. 10:34.540 --> 10:37.940 I've already had a pretty good glass of tea since we've been started. 10:38.040 --> 10:39.600 It's only 10 minutes into the show, if that. 10:39.600 --> 10:45.300 All right, anyway, yeah, one, I am not a freak, of course, so me on a freaking podcast would 10:45.300 --> 10:47.020 be pretty freaking pointless. 10:47.440 --> 10:49.760 Oh, that was such a bad pun and so accidental. 10:50.080 --> 10:51.680 Why would you even bother to make that joke? 10:51.780 --> 10:53.220 I did not do it intentionally. 10:53.360 --> 10:53.960 I really didn't. 10:54.020 --> 10:57.620 I said freaking because I didn't want to say fucking because people bitch about me cussing 10:57.620 --> 10:58.160 on the show. 10:58.160 --> 11:03.840 So then when I tried to catch myself and say freaking, it came across as a horrible, like, 11:03.980 --> 11:08.340 that's almost, I think that is almost as bad as a black ratchet joke, but not quite. 11:09.600 --> 11:10.400 Not quite. 11:11.620 --> 11:17.560 So anyway, one, not a freak, and two, I'm not sure, Giselle, if you know this already, but 11:17.560 --> 11:22.040 the PLA guys, they already have their own show, so go over there and check that out. 11:22.160 --> 11:30.160 I don't know that it's really freaking so much as fucking with people, but it's funny, so go 11:30.160 --> 11:30.980 check that out. 11:32.900 --> 11:39.300 And yeah, RBCP and I don't really know each other at all, so that's probably not going to 11:39.300 --> 11:39.540 happen. 11:40.080 --> 11:44.880 But, on to the motherboard and the topic from last week, and I don't know if you heard 11:44.880 --> 11:50.500 last week's show yet, or ever, but last week somebody had written in asking about sharing 11:50.500 --> 11:56.800 network capabilities and whatnot, so these people are replying to it. 11:57.320 --> 12:01.020 He's saying about that there is a motherboard that you can buy to do it. 12:01.020 --> 12:04.900 Now, that's fine that maybe technically the motherboard can support it. 12:04.960 --> 12:07.160 It's got the dual net or whatever this thing is called. 12:07.160 --> 12:09.240 That's fine from a technical standpoint, I guess. 12:09.860 --> 12:15.880 But logically, I don't see where you would ever really apply these, especially in a home 12:15.880 --> 12:16.360 environment. 12:16.700 --> 12:18.880 I mean, this particular motherboard, I did look it up. 12:19.680 --> 12:20.960 It's some kind of gaming motherboard. 12:21.100 --> 12:21.700 It's a high-end. 12:21.780 --> 12:23.120 I think it's a little under 200 bucks. 12:23.680 --> 12:25.040 It's a gaming motherboard. 12:25.280 --> 12:29.800 And I don't know, for you to have two Ethernet connections coming in, where are they going 12:29.800 --> 12:30.600 to be coming from? 12:30.600 --> 12:35.220 I mean, you've got to have two connections of some kind, two different cable modems, two 12:35.220 --> 12:36.620 DSL lines coming in. 12:37.240 --> 12:40.120 Well, I mean, if you have two different cable modems, you're still on the same cable network. 12:40.240 --> 12:44.400 If you have two DSL lines, then maybe that'll work for you, but it seems kind of pointless 12:44.400 --> 12:44.740 to me. 12:44.840 --> 12:45.500 Well, that's just it. 12:45.540 --> 12:48.500 If you're going to have two cable modems, they have to be independent of each other, and 12:48.500 --> 12:54.880 you're going to pay for two different connections, and the cable company has to throttle two different 12:54.880 --> 12:58.660 pipes into your home, and I don't know what you would gain out of that. 12:58.780 --> 13:01.420 I mean, at least, I don't know, I guess it depends on the cable company. 13:01.500 --> 13:05.460 My cable company, which actually, as far as the Internet goes, is Roadrunner, I think, 13:05.500 --> 13:06.580 is outsourced to them. 13:07.780 --> 13:09.660 They offer like three or four different levels. 13:09.660 --> 13:17.100 So instead of adding a second level of it, I would just upgrade to the nine or 12 megabit 13:17.100 --> 13:21.580 per second connection instead of trying to double up on two fives or something like that. 13:21.580 --> 13:25.160 So logically, it doesn't make much sense to me. 13:25.200 --> 13:26.080 Same thing with the DSL. 13:26.140 --> 13:28.080 You'd have to pay for two different DSL lines. 13:28.840 --> 13:33.120 I mean, the money that you're spending there, it's not free. 13:33.360 --> 13:36.860 I mean, so the money you're spending there, I don't see where financially you'd get much 13:36.860 --> 13:37.160 benefit. 13:37.260 --> 13:41.280 If you need that much bandwidth for whatever you're doing, particularly for the upload, 13:41.380 --> 13:46.180 and most of those are download-only speeds, remember, so I don't know what you'd gain 13:46.180 --> 13:46.700 out of that. 13:46.760 --> 13:51.520 If you need that much bandwidth at home, then you should be looking to co-locate a box somewhere 13:51.520 --> 13:54.840 or get a dedicated server in a data center somewhere. 13:57.760 --> 13:58.560 Can I get an amen? 13:59.900 --> 14:01.440 Yeah, I would tend to think so. 14:01.520 --> 14:05.760 And without proper routing support on the ISP side, it's not going to do you much good 14:05.760 --> 14:06.020 anyway. 14:06.180 --> 14:10.340 Like all the fancy stuff you'd want to do involving having multiple network cards and 14:10.340 --> 14:11.980 all that, you're just not going to be able to do. 14:12.400 --> 14:14.660 Yeah, well, that's just it. 14:14.760 --> 14:19.340 It's really not something that can be done easily, we'll say, even remotely easily. 14:19.340 --> 14:24.060 And actually, I think this is a good segue into our next email from RHNNet. 14:25.500 --> 14:31.580 RHNNet says, hey, StankDog and Not Theory, I've been listening to the show for a long time 14:31.580 --> 14:32.620 and really enjoyed it. 14:32.760 --> 14:33.740 Keep up the great work. 14:34.100 --> 14:39.200 On episode 191, Stank talked about using multiple network connections to acquire more bandwidth. 14:39.200 --> 14:46.080 This is definitely possible if one is connecting multiple times to the same network, although 14:46.080 --> 14:49.120 a connection does not automagically go over both. 14:49.480 --> 14:54.140 However, if you have a switch or Linux box on both ends that supports trunking, then you 14:54.140 --> 14:54.500 can. 14:54.500 --> 15:06.260 Some useful sites are, and he gives a tiny URL, to BMWWO and tinyurl29NNRW. 15:06.700 --> 15:09.580 I do this on my Gen 2 boxes and it works great. 15:09.780 --> 15:11.320 iPod and Astro support soon. 15:11.880 --> 15:14.060 Now, for multiple internet connections, i.e. 15:14.060 --> 15:18.980 multiple gateways, it can be done, although you cannot have two 5 megabit per second pipes 15:18.980 --> 15:21.940 and expect to download at 10 megabits per second. 15:22.980 --> 15:28.680 Rather, two 5 megabit per second downloads, although downloading two parts of the file at 15:28.680 --> 15:29.520 once would work. 15:30.120 --> 15:40.540 Some good places to start are tinyurl2ad3ow and tinyurl2ho4v6. 15:41.040 --> 15:42.620 Thanks for the show. 15:43.040 --> 15:45.160 That was RHNNet. 15:45.160 --> 15:51.040 Now, I think I fumbled through that email, but I think he was kind of alluding to what 15:51.040 --> 15:56.580 you were saying as far as you having to have the right equipment and the switching backbone 15:56.580 --> 16:00.740 behind there to make sure that it's handling the traffic the way you want it to. 16:01.180 --> 16:04.780 And since a home user, most of that stuff is out of your hands and out of your area of 16:04.780 --> 16:05.160 control. 16:06.280 --> 16:10.820 Yeah, so I don't know how that gaming motherboard really does anything exciting with Dual Mix. 16:10.820 --> 16:15.740 Yeah, I don't, the only thing I can think is one going out to your internet connection 16:15.740 --> 16:19.500 and the other one going to some sort of internal network of some kind, but of course you're 16:19.500 --> 16:21.520 not, that's not affecting your bandwidth. 16:21.760 --> 16:25.580 I mean, I don't get that, I don't see what that motherboard's for either, truthfully. 16:26.580 --> 16:28.540 I don't know, maybe somebody will write in and tell us. 16:29.120 --> 16:29.760 I'm sure they will. 16:29.760 --> 16:30.140 And we'll see if they're stupid. 16:30.540 --> 16:33.720 Well, I think we might get a lot of email for this show because when we go into our topic 16:33.720 --> 16:37.420 later on, we're going to probably prove our ignorance on us something, but we'll see. 16:37.420 --> 16:43.800 Oh, and also this, from RHNNet, he had a very clever email introduction, so I do appreciate 16:43.800 --> 16:44.060 that. 16:44.120 --> 16:45.100 That was not lost on me. 16:45.580 --> 16:51.360 Some PHP code in there to kind of dynamically assign the users, so that was kind of cool. 16:51.540 --> 16:55.520 And hopefully these links that he sent are interesting, but again, it's a lot of work 16:55.520 --> 16:59.440 for something that's just going to have so many problems along the way, and even if you 16:59.440 --> 17:02.720 got it working, the cost of what it is, I don't see it happening. 17:02.820 --> 17:04.000 Home user, not really. 17:04.000 --> 17:09.100 The businesses, yeah, they can financially justify it somehow, but a home user, not so 17:09.100 --> 17:09.360 much. 17:11.500 --> 17:15.100 And our last email this week comes from Stack Smasher. 17:15.540 --> 17:21.180 I read this email on the show last week, however, I thought that considering my present 17:21.180 --> 17:25.020 company, that I could read this again on the email this week and let him respond to it. 17:25.380 --> 17:33.240 Stack Smasher said last week, any word on when, if ever, www.freakfactor.net will be back. 17:33.240 --> 17:35.920 Thanks, and as always, keep up the good work. 17:36.860 --> 17:41.500 So, yeah, give me the opportunity now to read it again and pose the question to you, not 17:41.500 --> 17:47.460 theory, when will Freak Factor, not just the website, www.net, but when will Freak 17:47.460 --> 17:52.380 Factor the show, the Freak Factor, the experience, when will it all be back? 17:53.080 --> 17:53.420 I don't know. 17:53.460 --> 17:56.180 To tell you the truth, I've never heard of it, so I'm reading their website now. 17:56.180 --> 17:59.020 I don't know. 17:59.360 --> 18:00.200 Aboutus.org? 18:01.920 --> 18:05.920 Well, hey, Freak Factor.net, it has been up for a long time, and as you can tell, it 18:05.920 --> 18:07.900 hasn't really changed pretty much ever. 18:08.360 --> 18:08.760 We can't? 18:09.060 --> 18:10.440 Actually, no, that's not true. 18:10.860 --> 18:13.060 I changed the phone number at some point. 18:13.820 --> 18:14.560 True, yep. 18:14.600 --> 18:16.080 When the Bell's Mind number changed. 18:17.040 --> 18:17.800 That was it. 18:17.800 --> 18:22.180 But, okay, Freak Factor is on its way. 18:22.320 --> 18:25.480 I've said that before, and I know I've said that I've said that before. 18:25.680 --> 18:29.920 And we've said that before on your behalf, because you told us to say that it was coming. 18:31.120 --> 18:31.380 Yeah. 18:31.580 --> 18:34.320 Well, in my defense, it still is coming. 18:35.440 --> 18:36.440 It's just not there yet. 18:37.640 --> 18:38.040 Well. 18:38.040 --> 18:44.520 There have been significant updates and some serious progress towards getting Freak Factor 18:44.520 --> 18:44.880 running. 18:46.260 --> 18:51.580 Freak Factor, when the show is actually live, is going to be done through the Bell's Mind 18:51.580 --> 18:54.840 webpage for technical reasons that I'll explain later. 18:56.120 --> 19:00.940 But, I don't know, I've had a lot of free time lately, so I figured that I would spend it 19:00.940 --> 19:01.540 working on that. 19:01.760 --> 19:02.060 What's that? 19:02.060 --> 19:06.420 You can actually see some of the progress that has been made towards it and get kind of 19:06.420 --> 19:11.840 a feel as to how it's going to look by going onto the Bell's Mind website, going to the 19:11.840 --> 19:17.920 NPA NXX search, and if you have a Bell's Mind account, logging in and checking out, there's 19:17.920 --> 19:20.020 a tab that will pop up that says PBX status. 19:20.780 --> 19:26.120 And the new Freak Factor is going to be using the same type of, like, Ajax, refreshing, fancy 19:26.120 --> 19:28.260 nonsense that you see on that page. 19:28.400 --> 19:30.140 If you don't have an account, you can't check it out. 19:30.240 --> 19:30.660 It's too bad. 19:30.960 --> 19:32.960 But, I'm working on getting the registration up and running. 19:33.300 --> 19:36.340 Registration between Freak Factor and Bell's Mind will be shared. 19:36.420 --> 19:40.180 So, if you have a Bell's Mind account, it'll be also your Freak Factor account. 19:41.020 --> 19:44.300 So, when you log in, you'll see your Freak Factor credentials, and then you can call it 19:44.300 --> 19:46.080 DBX and get it all together. 19:46.180 --> 19:50.180 It'll be kind of like DDP's own little Passport, because everybody loves Passport. 19:50.240 --> 19:51.320 Single sign-on. 19:51.900 --> 19:53.380 Yeah, single sign-on. 19:53.600 --> 19:58.340 And, you know, we'll later integrate it with Passport and Google and Yahoo. 19:58.800 --> 20:00.540 So, we only need one Passport. 20:00.700 --> 20:01.760 And the forums. 20:01.760 --> 20:04.100 And the forums, of course. 20:04.400 --> 20:04.760 Of course. 20:06.760 --> 20:07.800 So, yeah, that's about it. 20:08.000 --> 20:12.340 I can't, you know, I would love to get a date, but I'm done with trying to say, oh, it'll be 20:12.340 --> 20:13.960 done in three weeks or something like that. 20:14.020 --> 20:18.320 If you want to know when it's going to be done, basically, go to Bell's Mind, watch the 20:18.320 --> 20:24.080 progress that's being made on the PBX status page, and eventually there will be a, you know, 20:24.080 --> 20:30.360 a silly little blog posting, because everybody loves blogs, explaining when Freak Factor's 20:30.360 --> 20:30.900 almost done. 20:31.040 --> 20:34.960 And I'm going to probably ask a few people to help me test it out. 20:35.440 --> 20:41.740 So, once it gets around that time, I will pick a few people to help us out, and we'll 20:41.740 --> 20:43.400 get to testing it and see how it works. 20:43.660 --> 20:45.080 But, I don't know. 20:45.160 --> 20:47.640 As of right now, it's close, but not close enough to get a date. 20:48.700 --> 20:49.840 Very nice. 20:50.360 --> 20:51.580 Very nice, I like. 20:52.340 --> 20:53.640 Wow are you, huh? 20:54.080 --> 20:57.940 All right, well, I've been playing around and testing it. 20:57.960 --> 20:58.780 I think it's pretty cool. 21:00.140 --> 21:01.260 Let's just make it happen. 21:02.200 --> 21:03.720 I'm trying. 21:04.080 --> 21:05.200 I'm just going in. 21:05.480 --> 21:08.800 As far as the, and what is this free time of which you speak? 21:08.880 --> 21:10.280 I'm not familiar with this term. 21:11.200 --> 21:14.040 Ah, well, you have free time, don't you? 21:14.200 --> 21:14.720 Come on. 21:14.780 --> 21:15.420 This is it. 21:15.520 --> 21:17.600 Recording this show is my free time. 21:18.120 --> 21:18.800 Oh, wow. 21:18.920 --> 21:20.140 Well, um. 21:20.620 --> 21:24.020 And it's why there wasn't a show there for the last two or three weeks, because I 21:24.020 --> 21:25.200 didn't have any free time. 21:26.540 --> 21:30.500 Well, I've got to tell you, I quit my job in December, and I haven't really looked back. 21:30.640 --> 21:31.040 Nice. 21:32.660 --> 21:33.320 How's that feel? 21:34.440 --> 21:37.940 Um, it's pretty much the best feeling I've ever had in my entire life. 21:38.480 --> 21:39.060 I'm having nothing. 21:39.480 --> 21:42.760 However, you still force yourself to work 20 hours a day. 21:43.960 --> 21:44.400 Somehow. 21:44.400 --> 21:47.480 Ah, you know, I keep myself busy. 21:47.880 --> 21:48.460 There you go. 21:48.920 --> 21:52.080 But hey, a lot of it, a lot of it's all tied in. 21:52.140 --> 21:53.400 It's all entangled together. 21:54.920 --> 21:59.860 Well, and, and, yeah, actually, we, we've, this is something you and I talk about all 21:59.860 --> 22:07.300 the time anyway, about, you know, for example, I, I hate learning a new language or, or doing 22:07.300 --> 22:11.960 something where I have to do hello world type applications and bullshit like that and fucking 22:11.960 --> 22:14.260 towers of Hanoi and, and this other crap. 22:14.500 --> 22:19.300 I'd rather jump into something and start doing it and learning it and actually building an 22:19.300 --> 22:22.580 application or something useful with that technology. 22:22.680 --> 22:29.280 And even if I'm not building something specifically like a project of some kind, I'm working on 22:29.280 --> 22:33.300 code and I'm thinking of how I can apply it, how, try to write the code in such a way 22:33.300 --> 22:36.700 to be reusable so that we can use it for other projects. 22:37.100 --> 22:42.660 So that's kind of a good segue, I guess, because you mentioned earlier about changing 22:42.660 --> 22:46.180 in, uh, the change in technology over on Bell's Mind and some of the stuff that you're 22:46.180 --> 22:49.200 doing, which will segue into our topic this week. 22:49.440 --> 22:50.180 Does it not? 22:51.340 --> 22:52.560 Um, possibly. 22:52.940 --> 22:56.540 I'm afraid I'm just going to get a lot of hate mail, um, for my choice. 22:56.540 --> 23:02.700 Actually, if people have checked out the, uh, the Bell's Mind blog, um, they've probably 23:02.700 --> 23:04.580 seen that there's been a change from PHP. 23:05.300 --> 23:09.180 Um, there is no more PHP code running Bell's Mind site. 23:09.820 --> 23:13.320 I don't know if people are going to be upset about that or not, but there are very good 23:13.320 --> 23:14.100 reasons behind it. 23:15.300 --> 23:18.300 Well, if it's not running PHP, what is it running? 23:19.540 --> 23:21.160 Well, it's not running PHP, of course. 23:21.260 --> 23:25.080 Like you just said, it's not running Ruby on Rails because we've already been through that 23:25.080 --> 23:28.920 and, but he's told me I'm a moron and the Ruby on Rails is the greatest thing ever, but 23:28.920 --> 23:30.020 I still say that they're wrong. 23:30.300 --> 23:35.280 Well, the only other option that comes to mind is that very topic that you hate so much 23:35.280 --> 23:39.940 and you've spoken about on the show for years that you despise, so I know it couldn't possibly 23:39.940 --> 23:42.580 be anything Java related, could it? 23:43.120 --> 23:45.060 No, no, I don't really think so. 23:45.060 --> 23:48.880 As a matter of fact, now that you've said that, I don't even remember what language the 23:48.880 --> 23:51.000 site's running, so I'd rather just not talk about it. 23:51.740 --> 23:55.060 Okay, well, this week's show was brought to you by... 23:55.060 --> 24:02.880 Oh, no, of course, that unfortunately has become the fact of the matter, isn't it? 24:02.880 --> 24:05.240 That you are incorporating some Java. 24:05.860 --> 24:07.360 Well, now, see, actually, here's the thing. 24:07.420 --> 24:08.960 Here's what I want to talk about on the show tonight. 24:09.620 --> 24:16.860 Because I hate, well, yeah, I don't really care for Java too much, mostly because I find 24:16.860 --> 24:24.840 the whole Java world, the whole Java environment, not technical environment, the whole Java sphere, 24:24.980 --> 24:27.380 I don't know, to be insanely confusing. 24:27.380 --> 24:36.900 And the whole write-once-run-anywhere thing, I think, is such a joke, such an absolute misnomer. 24:37.760 --> 24:40.240 I don't know, I'm not, I still don't get Java. 24:40.320 --> 24:47.900 I see some of the applications of it on a case-by-case basis, but I still get confused as hell by Java. 24:48.140 --> 24:52.800 Now that you have been playing around with some of this stuff lately, are you feeling more comfortable 24:52.800 --> 24:55.640 with Java on a serious... 24:55.640 --> 24:58.680 I'm feeling more comfortable with programming in Java, but if you ask me the difference 24:58.680 --> 25:03.740 between any version of Java and any other version, I would tell you that I have no idea. 25:04.080 --> 25:07.740 And I probably won't have any idea, because I've been doing Java programming, and I haven't 25:07.740 --> 25:08.780 needed to know the difference. 25:09.060 --> 25:11.060 So when I need to know the difference, I'll learn it. 25:11.120 --> 25:12.260 But until then, I don't care. 25:12.260 --> 25:17.300 Well, and that's kind of my experience as well. 25:17.560 --> 25:23.060 I, for those who don't know, I do a lot of my programming, I do database programming, mostly 25:23.060 --> 25:23.540 in Oracle. 25:24.040 --> 25:28.020 And I know that Oracle is getting more and more tied in with Java. 25:28.120 --> 25:31.600 They've already got a very strong relationship, we'll say, with Sun. 25:31.660 --> 25:34.460 I don't know why they haven't bought Sun Microsystems by now. 25:34.540 --> 25:39.680 But anyway, the stock is like seven cents a share or something, I think. 25:39.680 --> 25:42.880 Like, it's like, it's such garbage right now, but... 25:42.880 --> 25:44.680 And it's still not even worth buying. 25:44.880 --> 25:45.160 Yeah. 25:45.480 --> 25:49.100 No, it is, I think it is around, it's still less than $3 a share, isn't it? 25:49.120 --> 25:50.640 Or somewhere around $3 a share. 25:50.800 --> 25:51.320 I don't know. 25:51.500 --> 25:52.380 I haven't checked in a while. 25:52.580 --> 25:54.300 I'm not really a Sun fan, so I don't know. 25:54.360 --> 25:55.020 Yeah, so... 25:55.020 --> 25:55.220 That'll be accurate. 25:55.620 --> 25:59.040 Anyway, yeah, Sun co-op... 25:59.040 --> 26:06.180 Oracle, I should say, cooperates very well with Sun, but Oracle is slowly adding a lot 26:06.180 --> 26:09.140 of support for Java into its database engine. 26:09.140 --> 26:13.960 You know, when the next version comes out, it's supposed to be supporting actually native 26:13.960 --> 26:19.640 Java code internal to Oracle, not separate programs that you execute through the operating 26:19.640 --> 26:23.840 system, through Solaris or through whatever, you know, whatever operating system, because 26:23.840 --> 26:28.220 Oracle also runs on Red Hat and all kinds of other Linux flavors, etc., etc. 26:28.220 --> 26:33.840 But actually, internal support, they're calling them an unfortunate name, in my opinion, JSP, 26:34.040 --> 26:35.160 or Java stored procedures. 26:35.940 --> 26:36.460 Yeah. 26:36.460 --> 26:41.800 So, yeah, we'll kind of back off that and come a little bit later to why that's an unfortunate 26:41.800 --> 26:42.800 name, in my opinion. 26:42.800 --> 26:52.080 But, but it's like within the context of programming something in Oracle, I can see the application 26:52.080 --> 26:53.280 of the language. 26:53.620 --> 27:00.740 What I don't see is why they chose Oracle and not one of any other number of languages that 27:00.740 --> 27:02.160 they could have done the same thing with. 27:02.160 --> 27:11.700 So, I don't know, it's, it's still a little, it's kind of like if you, oh, what's a good 27:11.700 --> 27:12.060 example? 27:12.160 --> 27:16.180 Like if you, what was it, wasn't, weren't people writing, didn't Quake or something come with 27:16.180 --> 27:21.240 its own internal language, some kind of C derivative where you could actually write and code your 27:21.240 --> 27:22.840 own maps and mods for the game? 27:23.500 --> 27:24.680 Yeah, they had QuakeC. 27:24.980 --> 27:25.720 Yeah, QuakeC. 27:25.840 --> 27:30.900 So, it's a language that's designed to work with that specific application. 27:31.060 --> 27:35.000 So, I understand within that context a reason to learn QuakeC. 27:35.460 --> 27:40.240 But outside of that context, I still don't see the point of using it. 27:40.260 --> 27:43.320 Now, QuakeC is an obvious example, but I feel the same way about Java. 27:44.240 --> 27:48.720 And when I say Java, I'm talking about the whole of all the different Javas and stuff like 27:48.720 --> 27:48.940 that. 27:48.940 --> 27:53.660 When we talk about individual applications of Java, that's where it gets a little, a 27:53.660 --> 27:54.160 little messy. 27:54.300 --> 27:57.640 So, I'm not even really sure where to start with this topic, to be honest with you. 27:58.380 --> 28:00.020 I mean, we can do the... 28:00.020 --> 28:05.020 I guess I'll first explain, like, how I decided one day that Java wasn't a piece of garbage. 28:05.180 --> 28:09.380 And maybe I'll even, let's go back even further than that, why I initially thought Java was 28:09.380 --> 28:10.060 a piece of garbage. 28:10.240 --> 28:10.760 Actually... 28:10.760 --> 28:12.560 I think the feds are outside your door. 28:12.620 --> 28:13.740 I hear them coming, driving up. 28:14.240 --> 28:14.620 Oh, no. 28:14.620 --> 28:19.260 Actually, I'm in Westchester County right now, and it's been raining pretty badly all 28:19.260 --> 28:21.360 day, so everywhere has been flooding. 28:21.640 --> 28:25.060 And I think there's been flooding in New York City as well, and, like, the surrounding areas. 28:25.640 --> 28:30.940 But the cops and fire department have been up and down the street all day. 28:31.000 --> 28:32.640 I don't know what they're exactly rushing to. 28:32.780 --> 28:37.680 It's probably, like, you know, things catching on fire because people's basins are flooding 28:37.680 --> 28:38.680 and their power's shorting out. 28:38.680 --> 28:41.520 I have no idea, but it's been an exciting day today. 28:41.960 --> 28:42.280 Nice. 28:42.860 --> 28:44.800 We'll probably hear a lot more of that as the show goes on. 28:45.000 --> 28:45.560 All right. 28:45.580 --> 28:46.460 It adds to the excitement. 28:47.360 --> 28:48.060 Yeah, dog. 28:48.860 --> 28:49.780 Yeah, dog. 28:50.400 --> 28:51.780 Why are you going to be stealing my shit? 28:53.260 --> 28:54.420 Oh, come on. 28:54.640 --> 28:55.060 All right. 28:55.120 --> 28:55.500 You can have it. 28:55.520 --> 28:56.100 Can you borrow your lines? 28:56.320 --> 28:57.060 You can borrow it. 28:57.620 --> 28:59.500 I thought in our relationship you share everything. 29:00.020 --> 29:01.080 Yeah, well, listen. 29:01.580 --> 29:03.680 Some of us give, and some of us receive. 29:03.760 --> 29:04.560 That's all I'm saying. 29:05.120 --> 29:06.360 Oh, ouch. 29:06.360 --> 29:07.200 Oh, burn. 29:07.200 --> 29:08.160 And physically. 29:09.480 --> 29:10.660 Why'd you got to go there? 29:11.080 --> 29:11.680 I don't know. 29:12.300 --> 29:12.720 Anyway. 29:13.860 --> 29:15.720 So let me explain. 29:16.560 --> 29:19.340 I went to school for a computer science degree. 29:19.440 --> 29:20.880 I have a bachelor's in computer science. 29:22.180 --> 29:24.880 One of my classes was a software engineering class. 29:24.960 --> 29:26.080 It was a class I didn't need to take. 29:26.160 --> 29:28.140 I just opted to take it because it sounded cool. 29:28.780 --> 29:31.800 And at the time, they were doing their software engineering and job. 29:31.900 --> 29:33.340 I think they still are, actually. 29:33.340 --> 29:36.260 It's like a really popular language for software engineering classes. 29:37.200 --> 29:39.160 So in any case, we went through all this stuff. 29:39.360 --> 29:43.240 My biggest problem with the class was that I couldn't understand anything the professor was saying. 29:43.860 --> 29:46.240 And the projects were really, really, really simple. 29:46.380 --> 29:49.940 So I just figured I was banging on Java, and it would be no big deal. 29:49.940 --> 29:57.760 But at the time, at least I didn't know of any development environment for Java, so I ended up doing everything in a regular text editor on the command line. 29:57.760 --> 30:09.460 And I was programming some, you know, spreadsheet-ish type application in Java using FWT, which is the Swing Toolkit, I think. 30:09.760 --> 30:10.220 Oh, man. 30:10.220 --> 30:10.580 That's it. 30:11.120 --> 30:11.400 Okay. 30:11.460 --> 30:12.560 Yeah, it was awful. 30:12.840 --> 30:14.980 And like I said, there was no debugger. 30:15.500 --> 30:16.700 There was no development environment. 30:16.980 --> 30:17.640 There was no nothing. 30:17.760 --> 30:21.840 Now, I'm sure everyone's going to say, not everybody, but a lot of people are going to say, oh, you don't need a development environment. 30:21.940 --> 30:23.020 You don't need a fancy debugger. 30:23.020 --> 30:27.420 You know, you can use print defs or system.out.println or whatever Java has. 30:28.260 --> 30:29.720 You can do all your debugging like that. 30:30.120 --> 30:30.800 Yeah, you know what? 30:31.060 --> 30:33.880 When you're developing a tool application, yeah, you can do that. 30:33.940 --> 30:36.720 But when your application starts to get bigger, you kind of grow out of that. 30:36.820 --> 30:39.860 So, yeah, for this thing, that's what I did, and I got through it. 30:40.120 --> 30:46.300 But, you know, as I started using other languages like, you know, C++, I had Voiland, C++ Builder. 30:46.640 --> 30:48.280 Like, the development environment was really slick. 30:48.280 --> 30:53.160 And I said, you know what, I don't want to use Java because the tools that I was aware of at the time were garbage. 30:53.360 --> 30:58.000 And back then, Java was so slow, it was unbelievable. 30:58.440 --> 30:59.500 That hasn't changed. 31:00.660 --> 31:02.320 Well, we'll get into that. 31:02.460 --> 31:02.700 Yeah. 31:05.260 --> 31:08.980 So, for the longest time, you know, I just, nobody could change my mind. 31:09.200 --> 31:10.500 I thought Java was garbage. 31:10.640 --> 31:12.940 I had heard, you know, there were nice development environments for it now. 31:12.940 --> 31:16.920 But, you know, I thought, okay, well, you know, for my web stuff, PHP is the way to go. 31:17.020 --> 31:21.260 And for my, you know, server-based stuff, Perl is the way to go because PHP has got a lot of modules. 31:21.420 --> 31:22.340 Perl has a lot of modules. 31:22.460 --> 31:23.980 There's a lot of example code out there. 31:24.700 --> 31:25.600 And everything's great. 31:26.080 --> 31:30.820 But then I kind of thought about it, and I was like, well, I don't really have a good development environment for PHP. 31:31.640 --> 31:34.640 Supposedly there's, you know, there's an Eclipse plug-in for PHP. 31:34.960 --> 31:39.000 But, I don't know, I've tried a bunch of things, and nothing has really worked all that well for me. 31:39.680 --> 31:42.800 So, for a long time, I had been looking for a good replacement for PHP. 31:43.580 --> 31:47.840 Then I found Ruby on Rails and realized that that was definitely not the good replacement for PHP. 31:47.860 --> 31:48.180 Now, wait a minute. 31:48.200 --> 31:49.380 You loved Ruby at first. 31:50.220 --> 31:55.000 You know, something I did, and then there were just, I'm pretty sure on the last show I had said this, 31:55.000 --> 32:01.860 but the guy who came up with Ruby on Rails made some comment about how store procedures were, you know, useless. 32:02.360 --> 32:07.600 You know, anybody who's using them is just using them because it's like an old database guy way of thinking. 32:07.600 --> 32:10.560 Which is just nonsense, you know. 32:10.980 --> 32:18.880 And his comment revolved around the fact that, you know, all applications have one interface that people are using to get to them. 32:19.040 --> 32:21.520 If you're writing a Ruby on Rails application, it's got a database. 32:21.660 --> 32:23.640 You're always accessing it through Ruby on Rails. 32:23.780 --> 32:24.820 Why do you need store procedures? 32:25.180 --> 32:26.400 That's just not true. 32:26.480 --> 32:27.140 It's not realistic. 32:27.820 --> 32:30.540 So, that turned me off to Ruby on Rails. 32:30.540 --> 32:34.080 You know, and people said, oh, you can use store procedures in Ruby on Rails, 32:34.080 --> 32:41.080 and you can violate the standards that they have to put Ruby on Rails on your old database scheme and all that stuff. 32:41.580 --> 32:42.680 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 32:42.900 --> 32:45.980 But by default, it's designed to not let you do that. 32:46.040 --> 32:47.660 Not let you do it, but make it more difficult. 32:48.160 --> 32:50.860 So, you know, why deal with the hassle? 32:51.160 --> 32:52.760 You know, it didn't really offer me anything good. 32:52.880 --> 32:57.920 It gave me a quick way to get an application up and running that looked like a canned Ruby on Rails application. 32:57.920 --> 33:02.140 But beyond that, it didn't really offer me what I wanted. 33:02.720 --> 33:04.720 So, I just dropped it. 33:04.860 --> 33:05.720 I didn't really care anymore. 33:06.260 --> 33:06.560 Gotcha. 33:07.480 --> 33:13.280 Well, and also, before we move on, I wanted to respond to one of the other comments you made that I agree with 33:13.280 --> 33:19.560 is basically error handling in general and any kind of debugging. 33:20.840 --> 33:22.720 It frustrates me all the time. 33:22.720 --> 33:27.920 Programs that I work with all the time still are in that mindset of, you know, 33:28.000 --> 33:34.100 throwing a bunch of print statements or, you know, DBMS output statements of some kind into your code 33:34.100 --> 33:38.600 so that as it cycles through there, it spits out some raw text as you go through. 33:38.700 --> 33:40.360 Like, that's a good way to debug stuff. 33:40.440 --> 33:42.040 I mean, that is so old school. 33:43.120 --> 33:44.040 And, I mean, don't get me wrong. 33:44.120 --> 33:46.740 There's been some occasions where if you really want to isolate it, 33:46.760 --> 33:49.300 you'll have to really get down in there and try that. 33:49.300 --> 33:53.400 Or if you want to display some of your variables in progress, you might want to do that. 33:53.460 --> 33:54.340 But there's so many. 33:54.480 --> 34:00.200 Modern languages have so many better, so many different and better ways of error handling 34:00.200 --> 34:04.500 that you should never have that mindset anymore, in my opinion. 34:05.580 --> 34:08.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous to think that you would do that. 34:08.080 --> 34:09.100 Now, don't get me wrong. 34:09.180 --> 34:13.180 There are environments where, you know, printf and all that stuff is the way to go, 34:13.260 --> 34:14.720 especially if something's running in real time. 34:14.720 --> 34:18.580 Like, you can't use a debugger easily on a real-time system. 34:18.900 --> 34:21.340 So you need to have stuff spitting out to the screen as it's running. 34:21.520 --> 34:25.560 But for me, I'm not developing many real-time systems. 34:26.000 --> 34:28.940 So, you know, I need a development environment. 34:29.140 --> 34:32.060 I need, like, a real way to debug my application. 34:33.020 --> 34:33.840 So, anyway. 34:34.800 --> 34:37.120 So fast forward a whole bunch of months. 34:37.120 --> 34:43.800 I took a job, and I was dealing with these devices that were programmed in Java, 34:43.980 --> 34:45.960 and everybody at the company was a Java programmer, 34:46.120 --> 34:47.940 and everybody kept telling me how great Java was. 34:48.340 --> 34:50.040 And I kept telling them, Java sucks. 34:52.580 --> 34:55.220 Well, they... 34:55.220 --> 34:56.340 Took you to task. 34:56.420 --> 34:57.520 I was a bit of a Linux guy. 34:57.600 --> 34:59.720 They needed a Linux guy to do some work for them. 34:59.720 --> 35:06.720 And so they sent me over to Germany to meet with the branch of the company that writes the Java codes 35:06.720 --> 35:09.320 for these devices that they run. 35:11.000 --> 35:14.160 I went over there, and I had told them for the longest time, I said, 35:14.260 --> 35:19.380 I will do any job at this company except Fluffer and Java programmer 35:19.380 --> 35:20.860 because they're pretty much the same thing. 35:21.600 --> 35:21.960 Okay. 35:21.960 --> 35:26.480 So, they got me over to Germany, and they said, 35:26.560 --> 35:29.220 well, we would like you to program in Java. 35:29.600 --> 35:31.060 And I was like, oh, my God. 35:31.540 --> 35:32.540 But I bit my tongue. 35:32.640 --> 35:33.320 I said, you know what? 35:33.840 --> 35:35.560 Let me see what these guys have to show me. 35:36.160 --> 35:36.440 Right. 35:36.440 --> 35:38.960 The first thing they had me do was they had me download Eclipse. 35:40.660 --> 35:43.300 Downloaded Eclipse, installed it, and then they gave me the source code. 35:44.060 --> 35:45.080 Eclipse is what now? 35:45.140 --> 35:45.400 Explain. 35:46.100 --> 35:49.620 You know, people say Eclipse is an editor, but Eclipse is not an editor. 35:49.800 --> 35:51.680 Eclipse is a software development kit. 35:51.680 --> 35:55.040 Well, you can build editors, but you can actually build other applications 35:55.040 --> 35:56.700 that have nothing to do with editing text. 35:57.260 --> 36:02.940 So, Eclipse, people have taken Eclipse, and they've built a text editor into it 36:02.940 --> 36:06.760 and a class browser and a debugger and, like, a whole development environment 36:06.760 --> 36:10.700 for all kinds of languages, Java being the one that I think, 36:11.120 --> 36:14.320 at least from what I've seen, is the best supported. 36:14.480 --> 36:16.020 Eclipse itself is written in Java. 36:16.580 --> 36:19.740 So, therefore, it eats lots of memory, and it's very slow, but it's good. 36:20.340 --> 36:20.780 Hmm. 36:20.780 --> 36:22.040 Whatever happened to Forte? 36:23.900 --> 36:24.980 Oh, NetBeans. 36:26.120 --> 36:31.140 You know, for a long time, actually, the original DDP Freak Tools, or was it Freak Toys? 36:31.200 --> 36:31.980 No, it was Freak Toys. 36:32.260 --> 36:34.900 A long time ago, it was written in Java, J2MA. 36:34.900 --> 36:40.360 And I was using Sun 1, which was Forte NetBeans. 36:40.420 --> 36:44.660 And it seemed like every time I opened the application, it said, hey, there's an update. 36:44.760 --> 36:46.140 By the way, we've changed the name again. 36:46.560 --> 36:49.520 So, I don't know whatever happened with them. 36:49.640 --> 36:53.660 I'm sure that it's still around, but I don't know anybody that used it. 36:53.660 --> 37:02.040 The two developed environments that I know people use for Java are Eclipse and this thing called, I think it's pronounced IntelliJ. 37:02.240 --> 37:04.660 It's just spelled IntelliJ with a capital J at the end. 37:05.760 --> 37:09.680 IntelliJ is something that's paid for, and Eclipse is free and sponsored by IBM. 37:09.680 --> 37:13.680 But I've only used Eclipse, so I can't really talk about IntelliJ. 37:14.380 --> 37:14.660 Okay. 37:15.320 --> 37:15.660 So. 37:16.140 --> 37:22.240 Well, I also had the bachelor's in science, and when I had to do Java in college, we had to use Forte. 37:22.560 --> 37:25.440 And I hated every miserable second of that thing. 37:26.560 --> 37:27.220 Yeah, it was. 37:27.300 --> 37:28.000 And Tomcat. 37:28.660 --> 37:29.100 Tomcat. 37:30.080 --> 37:31.020 Web surfer. 37:31.760 --> 37:32.920 Well, actually, you know what? 37:34.380 --> 37:37.220 You know, maybe we'll get into that in just a minute or two. 37:37.540 --> 37:38.300 All right, go ahead. 37:39.160 --> 37:47.920 So these guys sat me down, and they basically told me, you know, we'd like to see what you can do with the tools we've given you. 37:47.920 --> 37:58.400 And I'm thinking to myself, well, I haven't ridden Java since 2002 or, yeah, 2001 or 2002 when I rode these freak toys, and it was J2ME. 37:58.600 --> 38:00.100 So this is going to be a big pain in the ass. 38:00.880 --> 38:07.900 So I took their development kit to this device, sat down, and in no time I had, you know, an application up and running. 38:08.300 --> 38:17.920 And it had, the development environment has whatever you want to call it, IntelliSense, where, like, you type a variable name or you type a class name and hit, you know, the .key, 38:17.920 --> 38:21.900 and then, like, control space, and it lists all of the elements in that class. 38:22.060 --> 38:22.180 Right. 38:22.180 --> 38:23.560 Like, all of that nice stuff that... 38:23.560 --> 38:24.180 All the methods. 38:25.080 --> 38:25.360 Okay. 38:25.800 --> 38:27.500 Brings up all the methods and all that stuff. 38:27.860 --> 38:33.420 Yeah, it brings up all the methods and all of the data members and stuff like that, and tells you the difference between each one, 38:33.480 --> 38:39.800 and, like, can pull the Java doc from the source so that if you have a real comment on it that says what it is, it pops up in the window. 38:39.800 --> 38:43.020 So I was like, wow, this is really easy. 38:43.120 --> 38:45.180 Anybody could write applications with tools like this. 38:45.600 --> 38:45.740 Right. 38:46.680 --> 38:49.100 So, I mean, even the lowest common denominator, like me. 38:49.600 --> 38:50.000 Wow. 38:50.420 --> 38:53.420 Or I think the same thing would be said for Visual Studio. 38:54.740 --> 38:55.620 You know something? 38:55.840 --> 39:03.440 I use Visual Studio a lot, and honestly, compared to Eclipse and Java, Visual Studio is not so great. 39:03.760 --> 39:04.200 Really? 39:04.200 --> 39:13.560 I think that that is because that I kind of, after using it for a little while, I actually like the Java way of doing things, 39:13.660 --> 39:16.380 which is more of a language thing as opposed to an environment thing. 39:17.020 --> 39:17.380 Okay. 39:18.520 --> 39:19.720 So, um... 39:19.720 --> 39:27.200 Other than the garbage collection, automatic garbage collection, I don't know what other benefit, but... 39:27.200 --> 39:28.620 Anyway, go ahead with the story. 39:28.700 --> 39:30.640 We're jumping in with so many different... 39:30.640 --> 39:31.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 39:31.260 --> 39:32.000 Yeah, okay, go ahead. 39:32.000 --> 39:37.800 So, so that was, you know, that was kind of it. 39:37.940 --> 39:42.920 I looked back at all of my misspent years and said, maybe Java's not that crappy. 39:43.880 --> 39:49.820 So I wrote the application, toyed around with it, was fairly impressed by what Java could do. 39:50.060 --> 39:54.240 So I started looking into other things that Java could do, like writing web applications in it. 39:54.240 --> 40:05.360 But a long time ago, I had a co-worker slash boss who tried to get me to learn Java servlets for his business at the time. 40:05.440 --> 40:07.560 And I was like, oh, no, PHP is the way to go. 40:07.640 --> 40:08.740 Java servlets are junk. 40:08.860 --> 40:09.440 Java is slow. 40:09.560 --> 40:10.140 Java is crap. 40:10.240 --> 40:10.680 Blah, blah, blah. 40:10.840 --> 40:11.240 Blah, blah, blah. 40:11.760 --> 40:14.260 Yeah, well, now I'm looking at the servlets again. 40:14.260 --> 40:17.080 And servlets are actually pretty cool. 40:18.220 --> 40:23.260 Well, should we take a moment here to talk about servlets and applets and the different... 40:24.260 --> 40:24.460 Okay. 40:24.460 --> 40:30.560 And this is the thing that confuses me the most and gets me frustrated with Java is all these different terms. 40:31.020 --> 40:35.780 What's the difference between a servlet, an applet, a Java bean, you know, all these different things? 40:35.780 --> 40:38.740 Okay, well, that's kind of difficult. 40:38.920 --> 40:40.220 Like I said, I'm a Java noob. 40:40.340 --> 40:50.440 I can write things in Java, but I don't know all the standards and why, you know, why a thing called XYZ is different from a thing called ABC. 40:50.960 --> 40:58.100 Now, my understanding, and feel free to write in and tell me that I'm totally stupid, is that there's a base Java object, 40:58.200 --> 41:04.500 which has no methods, no parameters, no nothing. 41:04.500 --> 41:07.400 It's just an object that is just kind of like a placeholder. 41:08.500 --> 41:12.700 And then there's a Java applet and Java application and Java servlets. 41:12.800 --> 41:16.940 These things all inherit this object, and they give it different methods that you have to implement. 41:17.200 --> 41:24.300 Like for an application, you have to implement the main method, and then the main method will start your whole application running. 41:24.800 --> 41:30.020 And applet does the same thing, but I think that applets only run in your web browser. 41:30.140 --> 41:32.140 I don't know why exactly they're different from applications. 41:32.140 --> 41:37.720 I guess applets have a graphical user interface always, and applications can run on the command line. 41:37.780 --> 41:40.800 That's what I originally thought was the difference, but I could be wrong about that, too. 41:41.480 --> 41:47.280 So in any case, applets and applications, they have a main method that starts up and runs your application. 41:47.720 --> 41:51.780 Servlets are just Java code that has two entry points. 41:52.020 --> 41:54.320 One is called do get, and one is called do post. 41:54.320 --> 41:58.940 And one is called when somebody hits your servlet URL with a get request. 41:59.040 --> 42:02.160 The other one is called when somebody hits your servlet URL with a post request. 42:02.640 --> 42:03.080 That's it. 42:03.120 --> 42:12.440 So there's nothing really, I wish there was more to it that I could explain to you, but basically, it just means that this type of object has this entry point, the main method, 42:12.440 --> 42:20.460 or this one has these two entry points, do get and do post, which just basically tells it where to start and what to start doing. 42:21.360 --> 42:21.840 That's it. 42:22.000 --> 42:24.380 I mean, that's as simple as I can make it out to be. 42:24.400 --> 42:25.120 Does that make any sense? 42:25.120 --> 42:30.520 Well, somewhat, but, you know, I wish I could get Voodoo Hal. 42:30.580 --> 42:33.120 I know he did a lot of Java development at one point. 42:33.720 --> 42:41.480 Or, you know what, I guess put a call out to the listening audience right now of anybody who can write in, email us, radio at binrev.com, 42:41.580 --> 42:46.440 and explain this to me because I still don't see, like, I see on an individual basis, you know, 42:47.100 --> 42:50.360 an applet is running on the client side versus a servlet on the server side. 42:50.360 --> 42:57.820 I get that, but why would I choose, how would I make the decision of which way I wanted to do it? 42:58.300 --> 43:01.660 And, you know, then there's JSP Java server pages I mentioned earlier, 43:01.740 --> 43:06.660 which I thought was an unfortunate name for Java stored procedures as well because you can get confused there. 43:07.380 --> 43:15.140 And that's more like PHP and ASP where it's dynamically generating code or, I mean, there's just so many things. 43:15.920 --> 43:17.700 Java beans, I still don't know what that is. 43:17.700 --> 43:30.200 And J2ME, J2EE, J, all these different abbreviations, it just, it's so confusing that I, it's so frustrating and so confusing, 43:30.440 --> 43:32.700 it makes me not want to learn it, to be honest with you. 43:33.380 --> 43:34.380 Yeah, yeah, I hear you. 43:34.480 --> 43:41.720 You know, the difference between J2ME and J2SE and J2EE, well, let's go through the names first. 43:41.720 --> 43:46.340 J2SE is Java 2 Standard Edition, I think. 43:46.940 --> 43:50.220 And J2ME is... 43:50.220 --> 43:50.800 Mobile? 43:51.540 --> 43:55.020 I thought it was mobile, but somebody told me recently that it's Micro Edition, 43:55.320 --> 43:59.520 so it could be more than just for, like, mobile phones, for any type of device. 43:59.520 --> 44:07.300 And then there's J2EE, which is Enterprise Edition, which people use to build huge, bloated Enterprise apps. 44:08.720 --> 44:13.020 Now, I thought those were the names of the IDEs themselves. 44:13.160 --> 44:17.880 You would download, if you wanted to develop mobile apps or mini apps or whatever that is, 44:18.200 --> 44:21.020 you would download the J2ME IDE package. 44:21.020 --> 44:26.780 No, they just, they refer to different, you know, to different standards, like J2SE is, 44:27.440 --> 44:32.460 you can write applications in this one, these type of specific set of features available to you. 44:32.720 --> 44:34.480 Same thing with ME, same thing with EE. 44:35.000 --> 44:38.220 You know, it just means that you have different functionality available to you. 44:38.300 --> 44:46.560 But you could use, Eclipse will let you program in any of these things without downloading too much extra junk to get them up and running. 44:46.860 --> 44:47.720 Hmm, okay. 44:47.720 --> 44:53.200 So it doesn't really matter which IDE you use, but as long as it supports that standard, it's not really what the IDE is called. 44:53.420 --> 44:58.040 Okay, so just all the objects and methods that apply to each one are the ones you'd be working with, 44:58.080 --> 44:59.720 depending on what your application is for. 45:00.260 --> 45:00.980 Right, right. 45:00.980 --> 45:01.140 Okay. 45:03.140 --> 45:06.820 So, you know, where was I? 45:06.820 --> 45:07.140 Where? 45:08.160 --> 45:12.060 We're so far, like, off topic, so I'm just confused. 45:12.240 --> 45:13.800 I don't know that we really had a topic. 45:13.920 --> 45:15.740 I think we're going to kind of freestyle the whole thing. 45:15.740 --> 45:22.440 But you were talking about using that IDE and found that you were able to develop a lot faster than you expected. 45:23.500 --> 45:23.960 Oh, yeah. 45:24.140 --> 45:32.680 So, basically, I decided that I would try to look a little bit more into Java and see what it had to offer me. 45:32.680 --> 45:40.520 And there were a few nice things that Java did for web applications that PHP doesn't do. 45:40.620 --> 45:47.920 Now, I know, no matter what I say, if I say PHP doesn't do something, someone is going to write in and say, yes, it does. 45:48.300 --> 45:52.080 So I'm just going to concede right now that I'm totally wrong. 45:52.080 --> 45:55.740 So if you want to write in and tell me that I'm totally wrong, I agree with you. 45:56.240 --> 46:01.840 Well, but it's one of those things where, you know, it may be able to do it, but that doesn't mean it does it well. 46:01.940 --> 46:04.620 It doesn't mean it's, you know, natively supported. 46:04.740 --> 46:08.480 It may be, you know, forcing that square peg into a round hole. 46:08.560 --> 46:14.400 Just because you can make it happen, make it work, doesn't mean it's an efficient, good, proper, secure way to do it. 46:14.400 --> 46:17.300 I mean, it may do it, but it might not do it well. 46:17.460 --> 46:18.940 And I think you can safely say that. 46:20.460 --> 46:33.920 Well, for me, I had a problem where I wanted to be able to debug the whole Bell's Mind site on my laptop without interrupting the whole production side of things. 46:34.300 --> 46:40.320 And I could do that with, like, a hidden directory that had the code checked out to a different location and all that other kind of stuff. 46:40.320 --> 46:44.840 But it just wasn't convenient because I had to, like, keep going back and forth to the server. 46:44.940 --> 46:46.720 I wanted to do everything local on my laptop. 46:47.020 --> 46:55.860 So the advantage for Java was that I could very easily just fire up the development environment and run my application locally, 46:55.980 --> 47:01.600 hook it up to that remote database over a VPN tunnel that I have, and just run the application on my laptop. 47:01.920 --> 47:03.840 And, you know, the server's not affected at all. 47:03.880 --> 47:07.120 The server isn't running any of this new untested code. 47:07.120 --> 47:13.800 So if the code freaks out and does something totally horrible, it's not going to, like, destroy the performance of the production box. 47:13.960 --> 47:15.580 So that was nice thing one. 47:16.280 --> 47:22.100 Nice thing two was the actual development environment, being able to set breakpoints and stepping through code. 47:22.240 --> 47:25.560 And actually, Java lets you change your code on the fly. 47:25.800 --> 47:33.440 And as soon as you save it, it recompiles it, and then it jumps back to whatever the top of the function you're in is, and you can start debugging again. 47:33.440 --> 47:40.720 So if I've got a loop that I realized I messed up, you know, one, I messed up, like, essentially the escape clause for it, 47:41.680 --> 47:43.140 I can go and change it while it's running. 47:43.200 --> 47:45.760 When I notice that I'm locked in an infinite loop, I can change it while it's running. 47:45.840 --> 47:48.300 It goes back to the top of the function, like, they're stepping through again. 47:48.300 --> 47:52.400 So I don't have to, you know, constantly restart my debugging process from scratch. 47:52.400 --> 47:55.180 So that was a really nice feature. 47:55.860 --> 48:01.580 The other really nice feature was that I could create static classes on the server. 48:01.940 --> 48:08.300 And basically what a static class is, is whenever the web server starts up and it loads all of my classes into memory, 48:08.840 --> 48:14.980 it instantiates, basically creates the static class that when any user is hitting the website, 48:15.740 --> 48:19.560 they're getting access to this one instance of this object. 48:19.560 --> 48:24.320 So if I have a big object that has a whole bunch of data in it, there's only one copy of it on the server. 48:24.440 --> 48:25.240 So it's very efficient. 48:25.460 --> 48:26.960 Like, everybody's hitting the same copy. 48:27.080 --> 48:33.020 Whereas with PHP, again, I could be wrong if you've got Zend and all kinds of other optimization things turned on. 48:34.520 --> 48:37.300 When somebody hits a site, it's reading that PHP file. 48:37.480 --> 48:38.300 It's parsing it. 48:38.520 --> 48:41.620 It's creating all of these objects on the fly in its own memory space. 48:41.700 --> 48:47.280 So as you have people hitting it over and over and over again, it's got to keep doing all of this work continually. 48:47.280 --> 48:52.980 Whereas with Java, you put the objects on the server, it instantiates them, they're built once, 48:53.160 --> 48:55.140 and you just hit them and pull the data out of them. 48:55.320 --> 49:05.040 And I've noticed in my informal testing that the performance on Bell's mind with Java serverless as opposed to PHP is much, much, much faster. 49:05.160 --> 49:08.420 Specifically with the beta version of the free fax code that I've been testing, 49:08.840 --> 49:13.280 the server load is a lot lower than it was with the PHP implementation. 49:13.280 --> 49:16.360 And that's not to say the PHP implementation was good and efficient, 49:16.720 --> 49:21.000 but it was very, very easy to make a good and efficient implementation of Java. 49:21.320 --> 49:24.900 So that was a big boost to me. 49:25.060 --> 49:28.380 And surprisingly responsive, too, I'll add. 49:29.360 --> 49:33.700 I was very impressed at the real-time data that I was looking at. 49:33.700 --> 49:39.180 Yeah, right now I have the settings kind of turned up as high as they can be. 49:39.280 --> 49:45.000 If you go to the Bell's mind interface and you check out the PBX status panel, 49:45.320 --> 49:47.600 that status panel refreshes once every second. 49:47.920 --> 49:58.980 So with me and Stank Diggy over here checking it out, it's very fast, very low server load compared to the same PHP script that was running before. 49:58.980 --> 50:08.420 Now, again, that wasn't very efficient, and it had to do a lot of things in the background to connect to the database 50:08.420 --> 50:13.340 and do all this other kind of stuff, and it refreshed the whole page as opposed to just refreshing part of the page. 50:13.500 --> 50:15.780 So that script was a lot heavier to start out with. 50:17.060 --> 50:22.800 But, again, this is very easy to create and very responsive. 50:23.300 --> 50:26.800 And, I don't know, it's just badass. 50:27.000 --> 50:27.760 You have to check it out. 50:27.760 --> 50:33.500 So check it out, pull up that page, sign into the PBX, and kind of navigate around the menus, 50:33.620 --> 50:37.840 and you'll see that it shows you, you know, it doesn't show you your caller ID or anything like that. 50:37.880 --> 50:43.260 It just shows you a random user number for each person that calls in, and then it'll show you, you know, where you are on the PBX. 50:43.340 --> 50:47.500 If you're listening to RSA episode 58 like somebody was today, it's going to say, 50:47.500 --> 50:53.420 this user has been on the PBX since this time, and they're listening to RSA 58. 50:54.000 --> 50:55.960 Hit the pound key, get back out to the main menu, 50:55.960 --> 50:57.940 and it'll say that you're at the main menu. 50:58.080 --> 51:00.080 If you go into a conference, it'll say that you're in a conference. 51:01.260 --> 51:04.240 One of the neat features that you'll also notice, if you go into a conference, 51:04.380 --> 51:09.140 any conference number between 500 and 599, it'll actually show you. 51:09.200 --> 51:12.080 Those are going to be considered public conferences now. 51:12.080 --> 51:19.760 So people can go on the PBX status page, and they'll be able to look and see, oh, people are in conference, you know, 500. 51:19.980 --> 51:24.640 There's like eight people in there, and they're all, you know, you can see when people are talking and when people are not talking, 51:24.720 --> 51:25.200 and all that kind of stuff. 51:25.200 --> 51:29.200 You mean all, you know, all damn good and well, all of them were talking at the same time. 51:29.760 --> 51:31.140 Well, yeah, of course, of course. 51:31.140 --> 51:37.600 But in theory, if they weren't all, you know, just constantly chattering and pressing touch tones 51:37.600 --> 51:43.140 and doing all that kind of nonsense, that it would do, the status would change from talking to not talking. 51:43.300 --> 51:46.520 But, yeah, probably nobody will ever see not talking on there. 51:48.120 --> 51:50.120 So whatever. 51:50.420 --> 51:51.060 That's that. 51:51.720 --> 51:53.540 So like I said, static objects. 51:53.540 --> 52:00.740 I actually have a static object that what it does is when the application is deployed, 52:00.820 --> 52:03.700 and I'll get to the deployment in a second, which was kind of where it was going initially. 52:04.380 --> 52:07.640 When the application is deployed, this object starts up, connects to asterisk, 52:07.740 --> 52:10.080 and then connects to asterisk over the manager interface, 52:10.440 --> 52:16.520 and then anytime something happens on the PBX, asterisk pushes this message to the Java application, 52:16.720 --> 52:20.340 and the Java application keeps the state of the whole PBX in memory. 52:20.340 --> 52:24.880 Whereas before, with PHP, since I couldn't start a process in the background and keep it running, 52:25.340 --> 52:29.440 I know there are ways to do it, but not as easy as there are in Java. 52:30.680 --> 52:34.180 I couldn't start a process in the background, so what I'd have to do is every time I needed the status, 52:34.220 --> 52:38.840 I wanted the status of PBX, I'd have to connect and request all the status that I want and then disconnect. 52:39.280 --> 52:45.280 Well, with Java, I just tell this thing, start a thread, listen to this connection, get the status all the time. 52:45.280 --> 52:48.500 That was performance saving bit number one right there. 52:48.500 --> 52:52.240 But that reduces the server load unbelievably. 52:52.420 --> 52:53.160 You can't even imagine. 52:54.320 --> 52:55.800 So let's think. 52:55.920 --> 52:58.000 What was the other big deal? 52:59.100 --> 53:03.820 The other thing that it does is it also handles AGI requests by a fast AGI. 53:04.140 --> 53:07.880 So again, previously I had AGI's written in Perl. 53:08.260 --> 53:11.140 And AGI is asterisk gateway interface? 53:11.740 --> 53:12.460 Yeah, exactly. 53:12.460 --> 53:17.820 Sorry, sorry, AGI is basically a way to write applications that can receive information from 53:17.820 --> 53:23.300 the user, touch tones or, you know, even voice on some of them from what I've heard, but I've 53:23.300 --> 53:23.800 never done it. 53:24.160 --> 53:27.860 So basically you can accept touch tones from people and kind of route them around. 53:27.960 --> 53:32.140 You write a program like a Perl script that says, okay, when the user hits 4, you know, 53:32.140 --> 53:34.120 go to the AMAC or whatever it is. 53:35.280 --> 53:42.880 Well, the problem with the Perl AGI's is that every time somebody goes into one of those AGI's, 53:42.920 --> 53:46.940 it has to start up Perl and then it has to start the AGI and then connect back to the PBX. 53:47.180 --> 53:53.040 Well, again, with Java, I created a static object that connects to asterisk once. 53:53.040 --> 53:57.520 And then any time somebody wants to start an AGI, it just pushes a message over that pipe 53:57.520 --> 53:58.200 that's already open. 53:58.660 --> 54:00.800 And then, you know, they communicate back and forth. 54:01.040 --> 54:06.240 And the Java AGI just processes the call for me with very, very little overhead. 54:06.380 --> 54:09.160 Nothing has to start up every time somebody connects. 54:09.600 --> 54:10.220 None of that nonsense. 54:10.440 --> 54:12.800 Just kind of, it's already loaded and it happens. 54:12.920 --> 54:16.760 The first time somebody calls the PBX, there's a slight delay because those things are like 54:16.760 --> 54:17.300 being built. 54:17.460 --> 54:19.820 But once they're built, there's no more delay for people. 54:19.820 --> 54:23.100 So that all happens when the application is deployed. 54:23.260 --> 54:24.840 So that was one of the big things that I really liked. 54:24.940 --> 54:26.540 I can start a process. 54:26.980 --> 54:28.040 I can run it in the background. 54:28.240 --> 54:30.000 I can have it do whatever I want. 54:30.260 --> 54:32.500 And I don't have to keep starting it. 54:32.540 --> 54:37.660 Every time somebody hits a page or with a cron job or something like that, it just happens 54:37.660 --> 54:38.220 by magic. 54:38.780 --> 54:41.620 You don't have to keep Perl scripts running in the background using screen. 54:41.800 --> 54:45.100 Like all of these things I have to do to get a free factor up and running, I don't have 54:45.100 --> 54:45.580 to do any more. 54:45.640 --> 54:47.600 Everything is nice and clean. 54:47.600 --> 54:53.040 Everything is encapsulated in objects, so it's very easy for me to go through and add 54:53.040 --> 54:54.460 new features and do all that kind of stuff. 54:54.940 --> 55:00.600 But in any case, the real big deal, like I was saying before, is debugging and deployment. 55:00.820 --> 55:02.000 So I've already gone through debugging. 55:02.460 --> 55:05.340 Debugging is very easy through Eclipse. 55:06.020 --> 55:07.820 Deployment is a really, really nice thing. 55:07.820 --> 55:14.620 And with the Eclipse IDE, I can take all of my files for BellsLine, all the static content, 55:15.100 --> 55:23.580 all the servlets, all this AGI stuff, and I can export it as a WAR file, which Java application 55:23.580 --> 55:26.120 is stored in JAR files, which stands for Java Archive. 55:26.120 --> 55:32.380 Well, web applications are stored in WAR files, which I believe stands for Web Archive. 55:32.380 --> 55:40.520 So what I do with the Web Archive file is I take it, I export it, and then I use a program 55:40.520 --> 55:47.380 called Unison, which then takes that Archive file and puts it in the Tomcat server, because 55:47.380 --> 55:53.000 I know you love Tomcat, puts it in its Web Apps directory, and Tomcat every once in a while 55:53.000 --> 55:53.540 will look. 55:53.540 --> 55:56.700 You know, it's like every couple of seconds or something like that. 55:57.020 --> 55:59.320 We'll look and say, oh, the WAR file's changed. 55:59.760 --> 56:03.500 I'm going to take all the old content, get rid of it, pull everything out of this archive, 56:03.840 --> 56:06.240 and put it on the server and start everything over. 56:06.840 --> 56:11.200 So anytime I need to make a change, I know that everything is there. 56:11.320 --> 56:15.620 Everything's included in this one file, and the server will shut itself down and restart 56:15.620 --> 56:18.380 cleanly just when I essentially drag that file over. 56:18.380 --> 56:25.420 So it avoids all of the headaches of, oh, did I put this file in, or did I make sure that 56:25.420 --> 56:27.600 this link matches, all that other kind of stuff. 56:28.160 --> 56:29.320 Don't have to worry about that anymore. 56:29.580 --> 56:30.600 Everything's in one file. 56:31.020 --> 56:32.700 Everything gets extracted in one shot. 56:33.360 --> 56:35.940 Overwrites the old copies so no old junk is sitting around. 56:37.180 --> 56:38.360 And again, it just works. 56:40.660 --> 56:41.000 It just works. 56:41.000 --> 56:42.120 But what do you think about STEM apples? 56:42.980 --> 56:46.380 Well, I don't know. 56:46.380 --> 56:51.140 I can't say that I've written anything worthwhile in Java, to be honest with you. 56:51.940 --> 56:57.400 When I was in college, all the stuff I did was JSP, Java Server Pages, and it was, again, 56:57.640 --> 57:06.800 a whole specific application of some type of Java, which, again, still confuses the hell 57:06.800 --> 57:07.460 out of me sometimes. 57:08.000 --> 57:12.960 I don't know why anybody would choose JSP, again, over ASP or PHP or whatever, other than 57:12.960 --> 57:16.040 the fact that maybe they're running Microsoft environment. 57:16.200 --> 57:21.280 They might be forced to use ASP or, yeah, well, that's pretty much the only word to say 57:21.280 --> 57:21.420 it. 57:21.820 --> 57:24.360 But here's something else that bugs me about Java. 57:24.440 --> 57:27.080 Let me see what you, let me throw this out there and see what you feel about this. 57:27.460 --> 57:27.940 Okay, sure. 57:28.540 --> 57:29.500 Virtual machines. 57:30.440 --> 57:30.560 Yeah. 57:30.560 --> 57:36.980 Okay, Java, Java proclaims to be write-once-run anywhere. 57:37.400 --> 57:37.840 Right. 57:37.960 --> 57:43.540 As though somehow it's this mythical language that I can write code one time and it's magically 57:43.540 --> 57:46.940 going to work anywhere that Java is available. 57:46.940 --> 57:52.880 So, first of all, if that's the case, my first thing that makes me wonder is, well, what about 57:52.880 --> 57:56.760 back to what you said earlier about the J2ME, J2SE, J2EE? 57:57.140 --> 58:01.520 Each one of those is different depending on where you're planning on deploying this application. 58:02.300 --> 58:06.320 So, how can you write code that's going to work on all three of those if all three of 58:06.320 --> 58:09.220 those have different ways of doing things? 58:10.180 --> 58:13.440 Secondly, well, actually, let's stop there. 58:13.540 --> 58:16.740 First of all, where am I going wrong with that thought process? 58:17.340 --> 58:19.360 No, you know, I'm in the same boat. 58:19.500 --> 58:22.580 People say Java, write-once, run-anywhere. 58:23.520 --> 58:24.420 It's not really true. 58:24.500 --> 58:28.120 If that was true, you would have, you know, fewer standards. 58:28.360 --> 58:33.240 And even when you're using the same standard, even if you're using, let's say, J2EE, you 58:33.240 --> 58:35.020 mentioned Comcat before. 58:35.100 --> 58:38.600 I'm pretty sure, now, of course, this is going to show everybody that I'm super new when 58:38.600 --> 58:39.060 it comes to Java. 58:39.060 --> 58:41.920 I'm pretty sure that my application is J2EE. 58:42.300 --> 58:46.600 And the only reason I think that is because when I try to use just the plain old Java mode in 58:46.600 --> 58:47.740 Eclipse, nothing works. 58:48.280 --> 58:48.620 So, anyway. 58:49.500 --> 58:49.900 Yeah. 58:49.900 --> 58:53.780 And is it going to work in another server besides Tomcat? 58:53.880 --> 58:56.180 Or are there different hooks for other applications? 58:56.300 --> 59:00.660 So, you'd actually have to change the libraries and the objects and all that kind of stuff. 59:00.960 --> 59:01.220 Right. 59:01.280 --> 59:02.680 Well, that's what I'm getting to. 59:02.780 --> 59:05.400 I wrote mine and tested mine on Tomcat. 59:05.400 --> 59:14.340 Now, supposedly, if I had the same application, I should be able to use it on another Java web 59:14.340 --> 59:14.640 server. 59:14.820 --> 59:16.600 Or I think they call them servlet containers. 59:17.940 --> 59:18.700 Oh, yes. 59:19.700 --> 59:21.580 But we'll forget about that. 59:21.840 --> 59:25.700 There are a few other Java web servers that I'm aware of. 59:25.960 --> 59:28.020 First is Tomcat, the one that I use. 59:28.020 --> 59:33.260 Then there is JBoss, which is by Red Hat, I think. 59:33.500 --> 59:34.780 Or Red Hat owns it now. 59:35.060 --> 59:38.060 But maybe JBoss was on its own before, something like that. 59:38.400 --> 59:42.220 So, then there's also WebSphere by IBM. 59:42.820 --> 59:49.320 And I think that there's another one by a company called BEA called WebLogic, maybe? 59:49.520 --> 59:50.080 Web something. 59:50.260 --> 59:50.620 I don't know. 59:50.820 --> 59:51.440 In any case. 59:51.440 --> 59:57.260 The company that I was working for that took me over to Germany and got me all hyped up 59:57.260 --> 01:00:02.700 about Java, they have a J2EE application that runs on JBoss and WebSphere. 01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:07.940 Well, the deployment aspect that I was talking about before, which was really nice in Tomcat, 01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:13.260 where I take my WAR file from my desktop and I R-sync it over the network and I just prop it 01:00:13.260 --> 01:00:16.320 in this directory and then my new website's there and does everything for me. 01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:21.180 Not so much on this, like, really big enterprise system. 01:00:21.180 --> 01:00:24.840 Now, granted, it's because a system like that requires more configuration. 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:36.340 But the installation instructions for WebSphere and for JBoss were so vastly different. 01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:38.240 It was just amazing. 01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:41.440 I don't even know how to do an installation on WebSphere. 01:00:41.600 --> 01:00:43.440 Whereas with JBoss, I could do it in a couple of minutes. 01:00:44.140 --> 01:00:48.800 WebSphere, there were just a million steps and you needed, like, certified WebSphere people 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:49.760 to do everything. 01:00:50.580 --> 01:00:51.240 It was a mess. 01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:57.800 To me, that is not, that is, like, counter to the whole idea of write once and run anywhere. 01:00:58.500 --> 01:00:58.820 Right. 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:04.900 Well, and not only that, okay, the other thing is, and this is where I was going, I guess, 01:01:04.900 --> 01:01:11.440 with virtual machines is, you're, every virtual, every environment you're going to be working 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.700 in needs a virtual machine that's going to be able to interpret and run that Java code. 01:01:16.600 --> 01:01:23.900 So, you have to download a virtual machine for Windows, one for Unix, one for Linux, for, 01:01:24.060 --> 01:01:28.340 I don't know how different if they run for BSD, for all the different environments and stuff, 01:01:28.340 --> 01:01:32.300 and then for all the different versions of it, there's, I'm sure there's some for different 01:01:32.300 --> 01:01:37.740 PDAs, cell phones, et cetera, all these different virtual machines, and then Oracle, for example, 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:42.560 that I talked about earlier, it's going to have, basically, built-in virtual machines so 01:01:42.560 --> 01:01:45.500 that it can natively support Java store procedures. 01:01:46.140 --> 01:01:49.120 So, the applications may have virtual machines built into them. 01:01:49.120 --> 01:01:56.620 If you have to download and install a virtual machine to make the code run, it's not really 01:01:56.620 --> 01:01:59.080 write-once-run-anywhere at all. 01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:05.160 The whole concept of that, to me, is bizarre because it's not write-once-run-anywhere, 01:02:05.260 --> 01:02:11.080 it's write-once-run-anywhere as long as you have pre-installed the virtual machine for 01:02:11.080 --> 01:02:12.280 said environment. 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:18.940 Well, I mean, you've got to have some type of in-between that gives you, you know, a bridge 01:02:18.940 --> 01:02:20.980 to the actual operating system. 01:02:21.140 --> 01:02:25.720 Like, it's very difficult to write just a fucking executable file that's going to run 01:02:25.720 --> 01:02:27.060 on all these different platforms. 01:02:27.220 --> 01:02:31.820 Not to say that it hasn't been done, because it has, but it's a big mess. 01:02:32.620 --> 01:02:38.520 Well, it's just that, I just don't like the idea that they purport themselves to be such 01:02:38.520 --> 01:02:43.000 a beast, and people actually believe this concept that, yeah, you just write some code 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.780 anywhere, and then you just, sure, you just copy it over to Linux, and you run it there 01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:46.340 just the same. 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.420 You don't have to change anything, and then you'll run it and put it on your cell phone, 01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:50.300 and it'll run just fine. 01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:51.420 Well, no, bullshit. 01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:53.720 It does not at all. 01:02:54.700 --> 01:02:54.960 Yeah. 01:02:55.180 --> 01:03:00.920 And I would even argue that even closer to write-once-run-anywhere, even closer than Java, 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:08.400 I would argue that ANSI standard C is closer to that than Java, because it's a standard. 01:03:08.520 --> 01:03:12.460 It's an ANSI standard, and the environments, as long as they support the ANSI standards, 01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:17.520 which most do, and that holds true for any language, to me is more portable than anything. 01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:21.940 If I write an ANSI standard program on Linux, I can bring it over, compile it, and run it 01:03:21.940 --> 01:03:22.380 in Windows. 01:03:23.200 --> 01:03:29.140 Right, but I could counter that with saying ANSI C then is write-once-run-anywhere, as long 01:03:29.140 --> 01:03:32.840 as you have all of the compiler tools and all of the libraries. 01:03:33.720 --> 01:03:35.060 Ah, and that's the same thing with Java. 01:03:35.060 --> 01:03:41.420 So how come Java is purported to be write-once-run-anywhere when it's really no better than ANSI C? 01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.920 I think we're both saying the same thing. 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:49.020 No, no, no, I disagree, because with Java, you can just give somebody one file, a JAR file, 01:03:49.120 --> 01:03:52.500 a WAR file, an EAR file, which is an enterprise archive. 01:03:52.940 --> 01:03:58.100 You can give them that one file that has everything in it, and as long as they have the virtual machine, 01:03:58.540 --> 01:03:59.340 they can just run it. 01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:04.680 Now, if the JAR file doesn't contain all of the libraries, you need those external libraries 01:04:04.680 --> 01:04:06.180 too, but you can make. 01:04:06.180 --> 01:04:08.320 All right, but as long as the virtual machine is there. 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:08.980 You just said it. 01:04:09.620 --> 01:04:12.620 Right, yeah, yeah, as long as the virtual machine is there, but it doesn't require the 01:04:12.620 --> 01:04:13.800 users to recompile it. 01:04:13.860 --> 01:04:16.740 You don't have to know about make files and all this other kind of stuff. 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:17.480 Well, that's true. 01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:19.560 You just type Java, and then the name of the JAR file, and you're done. 01:04:19.560 --> 01:04:24.220 Well, that's true that you do not have to recompile it, but it's still the same to me. 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.960 They're both just as ridiculous to me. 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.760 Neither one of them is write once, run anywhere, but I don't think, just saying that for Java, 01:04:31.820 --> 01:04:35.360 I just don't think it's any more appropriate than it is for anything else. 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.140 Well, but for Java, it involves one less step. 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:44.320 With NTC, it would be compile and then run, but for Java, it would just be run with the 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:44.920 virtual machine. 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.940 Right, well, and you know, the same thing does hold true with C as far as if you use 01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:52.000 some libraries that aren't available on their destination computer, you're going to have 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:53.180 to bring those over there, too. 01:04:53.740 --> 01:04:53.900 Yeah. 01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.060 So that's still... 01:04:55.060 --> 01:04:59.180 You can compile things statically, so it includes everything also, but not everybody does that. 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:00.580 Right, so... 01:05:00.580 --> 01:05:04.740 And if it's pre-compiled, it's got to be pre-compiled for your system. 01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:05.920 Well, for the architecture. 01:05:06.120 --> 01:05:08.860 Just download the static binary for every system in the world. 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:10.740 It doesn't work, so... 01:05:10.740 --> 01:05:11.160 No. 01:05:11.160 --> 01:05:16.140 You know, I kind of agree with the run anywhere bit. 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:17.120 I just... 01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:19.200 For me, it's not the problem of having the virtual machine. 01:05:19.340 --> 01:05:21.300 I understand there's no way around it. 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.720 That's, like I said, that's your bridge to the operating system. 01:05:26.180 --> 01:05:26.740 But... 01:05:26.740 --> 01:05:29.100 Well, but how about the mono project? 01:05:29.180 --> 01:05:30.200 Let's use that as an example. 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.040 That's a project to run .NET applications under Linux, right? 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:34.800 Right. 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:39.800 All right, so it's not exactly a virtual machine, but it's an environment that will allow you 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:44.960 to write your code once on a Windows box, your .NET code, and run it over on a Linux box. 01:05:45.040 --> 01:05:46.800 So basically, it's accomplishing the same thing... 01:05:47.700 --> 01:05:48.060 Yeah. 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.580 ...to me, in my mind, anyway, of what you're describing. 01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:51.480 Is that right? 01:05:52.300 --> 01:05:52.980 Absolutely, yeah. 01:05:54.980 --> 01:05:55.460 So... 01:05:55.460 --> 01:06:03.020 Java and .NET, I mean, I don't really know all too much about the whole .NET framework. 01:06:03.160 --> 01:06:06.800 Again, I've programmed in it, but I don't know, like, the very low-level specifics of it. 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:13.020 But, yeah, to run a .NET application, you need the .NET framework. 01:06:13.140 --> 01:06:16.720 You've got to download the, you know, 1.1 or 2.0, whatever your application calls for, 01:06:16.720 --> 01:06:18.080 or now 3.0 with Vista. 01:06:18.080 --> 01:06:22.880 You've got to download that, and if you want to run it on Linux, you've got to download 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:27.560 Mono, and if you want to run it on BSD, you've got to download Mono for that, you compile Mono 01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:27.940 for that. 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:32.600 So you're in the same boat if you want to run .NET applications as if you want to run Java 01:06:32.600 --> 01:06:33.140 applications. 01:06:33.220 --> 01:06:35.800 If you want Java apps, you've got to download the virtual machines. 01:06:36.340 --> 01:06:37.060 Right, exactly. 01:06:37.220 --> 01:06:44.020 But for me, the thing is, since Java was not written by Microsoft, there's better support 01:06:44.020 --> 01:06:45.380 on all platforms for it. 01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:51.240 You'd be hard-pressed to find, you know, a real personal computer platform that doesn't 01:06:51.240 --> 01:06:56.760 have its type of virtual machine that's well-tested and works, whereas the Mono project, I don't 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.280 know if you've tried to run anything with the Mono project. 01:06:59.540 --> 01:07:04.260 Things do work, but if you're just trying to run a straight-up .NET application with Mono, 01:07:04.340 --> 01:07:05.020 it doesn't work. 01:07:05.520 --> 01:07:09.820 Well, I don't know that Mono's final release of any kind, I think it's still in beta form, 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:10.200 isn't it? 01:07:10.200 --> 01:07:14.020 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely not all there, but that's my point. 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:19.020 Java is way further ahead in years and years than Mono. 01:07:19.140 --> 01:07:19.560 Oh, sure. 01:07:19.700 --> 01:07:20.640 No doubt about that. 01:07:21.940 --> 01:07:23.220 No doubt about that. 01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:29.060 Well, is there anything else we want to talk about Java, then, before we... 01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:35.180 I don't know, I wish we had, as always, I wish we had more time to do it. 01:07:35.240 --> 01:07:38.960 I wish I had a little more time to prepare and think about it. 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:44.060 I know we're kind of like doing a stream of consciousness and rambling a little bit, but 01:07:44.060 --> 01:07:53.340 hopefully the parts of it that get across to people are easy to deploy, easy to debug, 01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:57.980 easy to move from machine to machine, you know, as long as you're using the same, you know, 01:07:57.980 --> 01:08:01.620 you're using Tomcat or whatever on all your machines, stuff like that. 01:08:02.100 --> 01:08:03.140 Very maintainable. 01:08:03.700 --> 01:08:09.600 Forces you to use objects, to be object-oriented, which to me initially seemed like a pain, 01:08:09.600 --> 01:08:16.920 but now that I've gotten used to it, it helps me keep my source code very organized and has 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:22.560 made my ability to develop applications just that much faster, because now I have a lot 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.040 of code that's reusable. 01:08:24.280 --> 01:08:27.440 I just find myself using code from different projects all over the place. 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.280 I have three or four Java projects all going right now. 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.600 Is there a lot of code out there on the global interweb that you can hijack and use for... 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:38.040 Yeah. 01:08:38.040 --> 01:08:39.580 Since it's portable... 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.280 There's a lot of free code out there. 01:08:41.320 --> 01:08:42.120 There's a lot of libraries. 01:08:42.320 --> 01:08:46.160 There's an Asterisk library called Asterisk Java that I've been using. 01:08:46.320 --> 01:08:51.580 That's kind of my big secret behind all the Free Factor and Bell's Mind stuff right now. 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:52.400 Nice. 01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:58.880 And the other thing, your favorite company in the world, Google... 01:08:58.880 --> 01:08:59.580 Oh, no. 01:09:00.380 --> 01:09:03.880 Google has this thing called the Google Web Toolkit. 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:09.720 Now, I mentioned SWT before, which is the Swing Toolkit for building graphical applications. 01:09:10.440 --> 01:09:16.940 The Google Web Toolkit is a way to build web applications, AJAX-style web applications, 01:09:16.940 --> 01:09:23.500 you know, like Google Maps and Google Mail, all that stuff, with Java. 01:09:23.500 --> 01:09:30.060 And the cool thing about it is, you write Java code that, you know, creates a text box or creates, 01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:34.500 you know, some type of image or something like that. 01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:42.580 You debug this Java code in Google's little web browser that pops up so you can step through all of your Java code 01:09:42.580 --> 01:09:48.120 and say, okay, let me just click this button, pop this image up in their browser, or move this text box, 01:09:48.120 --> 01:09:50.400 and you can do animation, all kinds of other stuff. 01:09:51.320 --> 01:09:52.100 You do that. 01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:53.800 You debug your application in Java. 01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:57.960 When you're done, you run the Google compilation script. 01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:03.940 It compiles your Java into JavaScript, another standard that I know you love. 01:10:05.220 --> 01:10:12.980 And you can make browser-side, again, AJAX-style applications in JavaScript without actually knowing any JavaScript. 01:10:12.980 --> 01:10:19.340 So all of the stuff in the interface that I have here was written in Java but runs in your browser as JavaScript, 01:10:20.260 --> 01:10:21.540 if that makes sense at all. 01:10:21.980 --> 01:10:25.220 I don't know if it does anymore. 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:26.560 I know. 01:10:27.580 --> 01:10:28.580 It's all confusing. 01:10:28.700 --> 01:10:29.680 But just think about it like this. 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:34.620 In order to write my interface, I didn't need to know any JavaScript at all. 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:40.520 All I had to do was use the Google Web Toolkit, pretend like I was writing a regular graphical application, 01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:47.360 and then Google somehow, to the magic of their JavaScript compiler, turns it into JavaScript for me, 01:10:47.480 --> 01:10:49.820 and it just runs magically. 01:10:51.220 --> 01:10:56.220 Well, I mean, there's something to be said for rapid application development, for RAD development, 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.180 but I don't know. 01:10:59.260 --> 01:11:04.280 I just wish I understood the fundamentals of how and why it's designed the way that it is better. 01:11:04.280 --> 01:11:07.360 But that would probably make for some pretty dry radio, 01:11:07.580 --> 01:11:11.380 so I guess that's pretty much all the damage we can do on it for this week. 01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:12.280 Yeah. 01:11:13.580 --> 01:11:14.720 Google bought DoubleClick. 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:15.480 What do you think about that? 01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:17.860 Yeah, you know, I heard that somewhere. 01:11:17.980 --> 01:11:20.880 I thought DoubleClick was like one of the most evil companies in the world, 01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:23.060 but apparently Google didn't think so. 01:11:23.180 --> 01:11:25.580 Google is not evil, of course, so... 01:11:25.580 --> 01:11:28.520 Well, maybe they'll turn DoubleClick into like something really nice. 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:33.240 Yeah, right, tracking all of our movement on the interweb. 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.080 See, DoubleClick got into problems, Oxy. 01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:37.120 I hear you got me on there. 01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:38.880 Oh, why did I have to go and bring this up? 01:11:39.700 --> 01:11:40.460 I'm going to stop. 01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:45.920 DoubleClick, of course, is the company that pushed forward banner ads back in the day 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.740 and little cookies back in early browser days, 01:11:49.860 --> 01:11:51.400 and they tracked everywhere that you were going 01:11:51.400 --> 01:11:54.300 so they could see what sites you frequented by the cookie of the tracking, 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.300 and they got in a lot of trouble with it over privacy and whatnot. 01:11:57.300 --> 01:11:59.300 Some of the things I complain that Google's doing. 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:03.600 Well, now Google has bought their entire database of all the stuff that they've tracked, 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.880 and now that they own it, they can easily tie that into your Google account. 01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:11.320 So if you have any information that DoubleClick's been tracking on you 01:12:11.320 --> 01:12:13.240 and the websites you visit, Google's got that now. 01:12:13.400 --> 01:12:17.480 So once again, Google's database is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:21.520 Big Brother is watching, and his name is Google. 01:12:22.260 --> 01:12:23.540 Awesome. I love it. 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:24.100 I know. 01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:25.880 I can't wait to buy more Google stock. 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:29.100 $400 a share, some shit like that? 01:12:29.160 --> 01:12:30.300 That's craziness. 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:31.500 It's a bargain. 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.840 I wish it was $1,000 a share so I could buy it at that price. 01:12:35.480 --> 01:12:40.600 If it was $1,000 a share, all the actual Google people who own stock in their own company 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.360 would all be so rich that they'd all quit and Google would die. 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.980 Or they'd use all that money to buy even more stuff to grow even bigger. 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:50.700 Yeah, to make a bigger Google flex. 01:12:50.700 --> 01:12:57.680 Wow. Anyway, I digress. We'll leave that for discussion by someone else. 01:12:58.460 --> 01:12:59.100 Let's see. 01:12:59.160 --> 01:12:59.820 Is that all the time we have? 01:13:00.380 --> 01:13:03.860 Well, we've got, I don't know, we've got about 15, 10, 15 minutes. 01:13:04.480 --> 01:13:04.800 Hmm. 01:13:05.340 --> 01:13:06.380 Yeah, that's it. 01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:06.760 All dirty today? 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:12.420 So by the time we do all our closing stuff here, we'll be just about out of time. 01:13:13.020 --> 01:13:14.620 But we can talk dirty afterwards. 01:13:15.240 --> 01:13:16.240 Oh, yeah. 01:13:16.440 --> 01:13:16.840 Yeah. 01:13:16.860 --> 01:13:18.680 That'll be on Freak Factor. 01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:21.900 We can sing our lolliproan song. 01:13:24.140 --> 01:13:28.080 Oh, my God. Go for it. Come on. Go for it. 01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:31.020 Nope. Can't do that one on the air. Nobody wants to hear me. 01:13:31.020 --> 01:13:33.900 I did the Janet Jackson singing one time. That was about as much as you get. 01:13:33.900 --> 01:13:35.300 Oh, man. 01:13:35.300 --> 01:13:35.620 Anyway. 01:13:35.780 --> 01:13:37.780 That one was great, though. That was just pure genius. 01:13:38.060 --> 01:13:42.160 Dude, you know what we should do? We should go on American Idol next year and sing that in the tryouts. 01:13:44.540 --> 01:13:47.200 That would definitely make the interweb. 01:13:47.620 --> 01:13:49.340 Well, I don't know. Do you think that they would get it? 01:13:49.860 --> 01:13:53.280 Probably not, but they'd put me through. I'd dress up like a schoolgirl or something. 01:13:54.540 --> 01:13:55.680 They'd put me through to make me. 01:13:55.740 --> 01:13:55.840 Wow. 01:13:56.100 --> 01:13:57.120 Yeah, wouldn't that be awesome? 01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.660 Oh, my God. That definitely would not make it on TV. 01:14:00.860 --> 01:14:02.880 How hot is that? Is that sexy talk? 01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:04.380 That is sexy talk, right? 01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:05.480 You want to make sexy time? 01:14:05.500 --> 01:14:06.220 No, that's all right. 01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:10.460 Oh, man. Well, let's see. 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.560 A reminder for everybody listening that your local BinRev meetings are this weekend. 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:18.720 If you have one, I do, so I will be attending that. 01:14:19.580 --> 01:14:22.520 So hopefully you have some new people coming out to that one. 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:27.040 Some people on the forum said they might give it a shot this weekend, so hopefully we'll see people there. 01:14:27.040 --> 01:14:33.420 Shouts this week. Shouts to MC Frontalot, MC Lars, and Optimus Rhyme. 01:14:33.500 --> 01:14:35.120 They are on tour right now. 01:14:35.200 --> 01:14:39.680 Go check out Frontalot.com or OptimusRhyme.com or MCLars.com. 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.080 I'm sure they all have the schedule, the tour schedule out there. 01:14:42.140 --> 01:14:44.620 Go check them out if they are coming near you. 01:14:44.700 --> 01:14:50.660 I think they're on the west side right now, but they're coming back east hopefully sometime soon, a few months. 01:14:50.660 --> 01:14:54.980 Shouts to Droops and Enigma, and what do you got? 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:03.960 You know, I did have a whole bunch of shouts to the people that have been helping me do bugs and bells and mine stuff, 01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:06.640 but their names are all escaping me now. 01:15:07.900 --> 01:15:09.360 All right. Well, shouts to them. 01:15:09.820 --> 01:15:11.940 I guess I have shouts to nobody then. 01:15:12.260 --> 01:15:14.540 Oh, man. None at all. 01:15:15.400 --> 01:15:17.160 No. Actually, you know what? 01:15:17.160 --> 01:15:21.780 I don't know how to pronounce his name, so I think he's a PLA guy. 01:15:22.360 --> 01:15:26.120 His handle is Yautch or Yuck or something like that. 01:15:26.120 --> 01:15:27.560 Y-A-U-C-H. 01:15:27.860 --> 01:15:28.520 Yautch, right? 01:15:29.060 --> 01:15:29.460 Yautch. 01:15:29.460 --> 01:15:30.600 Is he named after Adam Yautch? 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:35.760 I read something about pronouncing it on the PLA voice a long time ago, and I apologize, but I don't remember exactly how. 01:15:36.060 --> 01:15:41.580 But he's been giving me a lot of information about things that are working and not working 01:15:41.580 --> 01:15:45.520 and stuff that he wants to see brought back because it hasn't been re-implemented yet. 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:52.140 But he has been the best source of motivation for the Bell's Mind revival. 01:15:52.540 --> 01:15:53.360 So, shouts to him. 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:55.460 Cool. I thought that was a Beastie Boys reference. 01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:57.540 I thought Yautch was one of the Beastie Boys. 01:15:58.920 --> 01:15:59.660 The hell do I know? 01:15:59.780 --> 01:16:01.560 I don't know. You don't know anything about rap. 01:16:02.220 --> 01:16:03.300 Except Gangstar. 01:16:04.160 --> 01:16:05.080 Yeah, buddy. 01:16:05.900 --> 01:16:06.720 How about Melly Mel? 01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:10.420 You know, I heard some Melly Mel on XM the other day. 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:11.200 Really? 01:16:11.200 --> 01:16:12.020 It was really terrible. 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:14.320 Oh, you better watch your mouth. 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:16.440 Oh, let's see. What else? 01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:19.060 Site of the week actually comes from Not Theory tonight. 01:16:19.540 --> 01:16:22.560 As soon as we're done with the show, I'm going right back to the site of the week. 01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:27.200 It is HandDrawnGames.com. 01:16:27.280 --> 01:16:31.480 That's H-A-N-D-D-R-A-W-N-G-A-M-E-S. 01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:33.220 HandDrawnGames.com. 01:16:33.700 --> 01:16:36.120 And they have this little, I don't know, is it Java? 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:38.180 Shockwave? I don't know what the hell it is. 01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:40.340 Some kind of web browser game. 01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:41.120 Tower Defense. 01:16:41.900 --> 01:16:43.200 Yeah, I think it's Flash. 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:44.420 Is it Flash? Okay. 01:16:44.420 --> 01:16:45.360 Flash game. 01:16:46.020 --> 01:16:47.840 I'm actually playing it right now, and it's awesome. 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:49.320 You're playing it while we're doing the show? 01:16:49.420 --> 01:16:50.100 You douche. 01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:51.840 Oh, whatever. 01:16:52.300 --> 01:16:53.260 So go check it out. 01:16:53.320 --> 01:16:55.380 Play Tower Defense and save your score. 01:16:55.900 --> 01:16:59.880 Put it in group DDP, and you can see how you're doing against us, 01:16:59.940 --> 01:17:01.560 because I kind of suck sore at it. 01:17:02.440 --> 01:17:03.620 But we'll see. 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.140 By this time next week, maybe I'll be pwning noobs. 01:17:06.140 --> 01:17:12.660 Binary Revolution Radio is provided by caro.net. 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.580 Go check out caro.net for your hosting needs. 01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:19.320 Email us, of course, radio at binrev.com. 01:17:19.860 --> 01:17:25.620 Feedback on any portion of the show, or to put us in place about our Java mistakes, 01:17:25.700 --> 01:17:26.820 which I'm sure there were some. 01:17:26.820 --> 01:17:33.740 Or, or, if you are, and only if you are an expert in Java, 01:17:34.200 --> 01:17:36.640 contact us, because I would love to do a show 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.620 and talk about some of the fundamentals and the basics 01:17:39.620 --> 01:17:42.260 and the underlying structure of how Java works, 01:17:42.340 --> 01:17:45.420 the design, what it does and why it does it, 01:17:45.700 --> 01:17:47.840 some of the nuts and bolts of it. 01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.100 But only if you really know it well. 01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:52.840 So, email me, radio at binrev.com, 01:17:53.500 --> 01:17:57.100 and we will see if we can work out an episode in the future. 01:17:57.940 --> 01:18:01.200 Certainly, Java and all the different flavors is a topic 01:18:01.200 --> 01:18:04.100 we could probably do ten episodes on, to be honest, or really could. 01:18:04.820 --> 01:18:06.000 So, I don't know. 01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:07.180 We'll see where we go with that. 01:18:07.540 --> 01:18:09.400 Closing music tonight is called Warriors. 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.020 It's from Metamystics Incorporated. 01:18:13.120 --> 01:18:14.840 So, that is going to do it. 01:18:15.040 --> 01:18:15.640 Not theory. 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.140 Thank you, my friend, for being on the show once again. 01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:19.220 No problem. 01:18:19.660 --> 01:18:21.920 And next time you go to Germany, give me a call. 01:18:22.040 --> 01:18:22.560 I'll go with you. 01:18:22.620 --> 01:18:23.220 We'll go over there. 01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:25.040 Bang some chicks with hairy armpits. 01:18:25.740 --> 01:18:26.300 Get some lolly prawn. 01:18:26.300 --> 01:18:27.680 Oh, so keep cooking now. 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:29.040 Get some lolly prawn. 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:30.080 Wait a minute. 01:18:30.100 --> 01:18:30.940 They don't have that in Germany. 01:18:31.060 --> 01:18:32.160 Where would we have to go to get that? 01:18:33.120 --> 01:18:33.960 The Czech Republic. 01:18:34.260 --> 01:18:34.980 There you go. 01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:37.960 Czech Republic or one of those Russian provinces 01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:39.120 or something like that. 01:18:40.180 --> 01:18:41.540 And that's it. 01:18:41.620 --> 01:18:44.280 So, we will see everybody, we hope, anyway, 01:18:44.280 --> 01:18:46.780 next week, same hack time. 01:18:47.620 --> 01:18:48.600 Same hack channel. 01:18:49.860 --> 01:18:50.420 Shit. 01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:55.220 See that dude over there with his skates? 01:18:56.700 --> 01:18:57.340 Over there. 01:18:58.620 --> 01:18:59.640 He's after you. 01:19:00.280 --> 01:19:01.100 He's got some guys. 01:19:01.100 --> 01:19:05.920 I know they're in my hands. 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:07.860 But now they know I know it. 01:19:07.860 --> 01:19:11.580 If you step to X, you best get your death plot. 01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:12.560 I wreck the feds. 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:14.020 Get left with your next shot. 01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:16.460 I etch you red with text or the X-Box. 01:19:16.540 --> 01:19:17.440 Kill a team style. 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:18.920 Your head in a red stock. 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:19.640 Bomb flicks. 01:19:19.940 --> 01:19:20.700 We move crowds. 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:21.280 I promise. 01:19:21.420 --> 01:19:22.460 You're best inspected. 01:19:22.620 --> 01:19:23.840 Rep like you hot blick. 01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.080 Combat reptile. 01:19:25.200 --> 01:19:25.960 Spent to kill. 01:19:26.280 --> 01:19:27.220 Scepter up north. 01:19:27.300 --> 01:19:28.540 You know Kim Jong-il. 01:19:28.780 --> 01:19:29.740 Blaze like the case. 01:19:29.820 --> 01:19:31.020 The pasted wasabi. 01:19:31.280 --> 01:19:32.180 Hotter than a bomb. 01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:32.860 They dropped Nagasaki. 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:34.780 Stone cold Salone. 01:19:34.780 --> 01:19:35.840 Dragon Rocky. 01:19:36.140 --> 01:19:37.180 Right hook to Jaws. 01:19:37.260 --> 01:19:38.400 You drop and prompt me. 01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:39.260 Problematic. 01:19:39.500 --> 01:19:40.580 Blast few degrees. 01:19:40.740 --> 01:19:43.100 Lines crafted to laugh at music scenes. 01:19:43.320 --> 01:19:44.280 A fusion scene. 01:19:44.400 --> 01:19:45.580 Known as you and C's. 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.820 The half you act is wishing you were me. 01:19:48.020 --> 01:19:49.040 This is but a rap. 01:19:49.260 --> 01:19:50.880 For the cats who be cutting glass. 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:51.580 Fuck with that. 01:19:51.780 --> 01:19:53.340 Get mashed like you suck a tash. 01:19:53.420 --> 01:19:54.040 Run it fast. 01:19:54.200 --> 01:19:55.720 Or get smacked with another blast. 01:19:55.820 --> 01:19:58.080 Crafted rap since fat like thunder pass. 01:19:58.200 --> 01:19:59.160 Speaking of the dragon. 01:19:59.240 --> 01:20:00.220 Now it's ending the myth. 01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:02.720 And I'ma kill the mic over this funk Havana rip. 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:04.580 I'm the master motherfucking author. 01:20:04.580 --> 01:20:05.300 Before the ages. 01:20:05.440 --> 01:20:06.520 I wrote all the pages. 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:07.800 Created all the rages. 01:20:08.220 --> 01:20:10.240 Spat more buck on beats than 12 gauges. 01:20:10.360 --> 01:20:11.400 You motherfucking cats. 01:20:11.480 --> 01:20:12.700 Sending up the short changes. 01:20:13.160 --> 01:20:14.760 Me and X cover all the time. 01:20:14.860 --> 01:20:15.260 Nameless. 01:20:15.400 --> 01:20:16.700 Kyle L break the stasis. 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:17.500 I am faces. 01:20:17.700 --> 01:20:18.620 The dawn of the dead. 01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:19.860 When I roll out the bed. 01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:22.280 Radiation flow like I'm covered in lead. 01:20:22.340 --> 01:20:24.420 It's been sad when you clash with the Meta crew. 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:27.200 Have a medical crew on speed dial number two. 01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:29.840 Even Steven King can't begin what we do to you. 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:30.920 We leave your body burning. 01:20:31.040 --> 01:20:31.960 But it isn't the flu. 01:20:32.100 --> 01:20:32.480 It's true. 01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:33.700 Your left shell shot. 01:20:33.700 --> 01:20:34.900 Lyrically bombs drop. 01:20:35.020 --> 01:20:36.420 Physically seriously injured. 01:20:36.480 --> 01:20:37.020 What the fuck? 01:20:37.120 --> 01:20:38.300 I don't check once. 01:20:38.360 --> 01:20:39.420 I'm a seven in the sun. 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:39.880 One, two. 01:20:39.980 --> 01:20:41.520 Once again I'll become your water. 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:42.280 Though it's three. 01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:44.200 Disease fatal when you lack vaccines. 01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:45.520 Red pain like gangrene. 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:46.760 Ain't the process like a knee. 01:20:47.160 --> 01:20:48.460 Seems the microphone skins. 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:49.520 Detected impotence. 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:50.140 Coming out. 01:20:50.200 --> 01:20:50.900 Swinging your stick. 01:20:50.980 --> 01:20:51.820 Looking ridiculous. 01:20:52.060 --> 01:20:53.500 Dipping in the biggest of the Vans. 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:54.140 Marked bargain. 01:20:54.220 --> 01:20:54.740 It's the margin. 01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:56.540 You belong in the long side of a coffin. 01:20:56.540 --> 01:20:57.480 Underground starving. 01:20:57.860 --> 01:20:58.920 With the margins for air. 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:00.220 Try to resurrect yourself. 01:21:00.220 --> 01:21:01.280 But I'm keeping you there. 01:21:01.380 --> 01:21:01.920 To be fair. 01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:03.880 Your land there bears one distinction. 01:21:04.160 --> 01:21:06.240 A very special chance to study mass extinction. 01:21:06.380 --> 01:21:07.800 And if you pop another shot of this. 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:08.800 You know we got a bottle. 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:10.200 This I'm aiming for your cartilage. 01:21:10.260 --> 01:21:11.360 Just charging on my cartridges. 01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:12.500 Heavy hitting slaughter. 01:21:12.620 --> 01:21:13.440 And it's bothering you. 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:14.200 Don't woke up. 01:21:14.280 --> 01:21:15.220 And someone's on my home. 01:21:15.300 --> 01:21:16.000 Planet was blown. 01:21:16.200 --> 01:21:16.640 Jump stones. 01:21:16.740 --> 01:21:17.320 And you on earth. 01:21:17.340 --> 01:21:18.500 It's too fine for what you are. 01:21:18.660 --> 01:21:19.900 Everybody want to round it. 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:20.320 Watch out. 01:21:20.400 --> 01:21:21.060 They let the purse. 01:21:21.140 --> 01:21:22.140 Where the worst of the best. 01:21:22.220 --> 01:21:23.300 Your heart beating IRS. 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:24.620 Leave SDX. 01:21:24.620 --> 01:21:25.960 And the myth to do the rest. 01:21:26.080 --> 01:21:27.540 Project verbal spaceships. 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:28.720 Smack y'all a facelift. 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:29.680 Back on this bitch. 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:31.000 Like a glitch in the matrix. 01:21:31.300 --> 01:21:31.980 Deja vu. 01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:33.300 And fuck you and your crew. 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:34.560 Stack of small rappers. 01:21:34.660 --> 01:21:35.740 Jaw tapping in my shoe. 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.540 I hit them with industrial bleach. 01:21:37.620 --> 01:21:38.180 Not a ghost. 01:21:38.280 --> 01:21:39.880 But I'm going to leave them whiter than sheets. 01:21:39.940 --> 01:21:40.720 On rap sheets. 01:21:40.900 --> 01:21:41.660 And y'all weak. 01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:43.380 Strap you in like a roller coaster. 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:44.940 Plain tongue spitting out burns. 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:45.940 Like a broken toaster. 01:21:46.240 --> 01:21:47.960 Me mugging on a most worn a poster. 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:49.300 With an ample stack of samples. 01:21:49.300 --> 01:21:50.420 And a Kenny Roger roaster. 01:21:50.540 --> 01:21:51.680 Cooking up the fat beats. 01:21:52.020 --> 01:21:52.900 Down on the street. 01:21:52.900 --> 01:21:55.360 I build the foundation of my nation like a Greek. 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:56.620 Ten times a week. 01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:58.460 Rhyme while I sleep in the bed. 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:00.880 Counting out beats like they sheep in my head. 01:22:01.180 --> 01:22:02.940 Coming up with me for my song streak. 01:22:03.060 --> 01:22:05.120 Flowing and I'm spitting like I just sprung a leak. 01:22:05.220 --> 01:22:06.300 This is crack for peace. 01:22:06.360 --> 01:22:07.300 You did a masterpiece. 01:22:07.540 --> 01:22:08.600 So for a Latin beat. 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:09.780 Closing the Mac defeat. 01:22:10.080 --> 01:22:11.000 When it's boom bap. 01:22:11.120 --> 01:22:12.500 Du-rap blast the streets. 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:13.620 Every mystic hater. 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:14.760 Gonna have to beat. 01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:16.300 Rhymes tape of Decatur. 01:22:16.300 --> 01:22:17.540 All high blazers. 01:22:17.820 --> 01:22:18.600 Style run high. 01:22:18.700 --> 01:22:20.020 Like you all cry frazier. 01:22:20.240 --> 01:22:22.200 Catch you rap about thugs and hoes. 01:22:22.200 --> 01:22:24.700 You coming up short like they multi-bobes. 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.100 Now I chose the show that explodes the most. 01:22:27.320 --> 01:22:28.340 Got your domes rolling. 01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:29.720 So you know I'm ghosts. 01:22:29.980 --> 01:22:30.920 And you dig it. 01:22:32.300 --> 01:22:33.840 And you dig it. 01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:37.020 And you dig it. 01:22:37.020 --> 01:22:37.340 And you dig it. 01:22:45.340 --> 01:22:46.860 Oh, you thought that I'd finished. 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:47.520 Well, I didn't. 01:22:47.920 --> 01:22:49.180 Here's my roll over a minute. 01:22:49.620 --> 01:22:51.340 Anytime I spit it shit, I get elected. 01:22:51.480 --> 01:22:52.660 Two percent of slingshot. 01:22:52.860 --> 01:22:55.960 Get injected to the planet and leave stars the size of boulevard. 01:22:56.100 --> 01:22:59.000 Since you so hard, you only coming back with the green card, homie. 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.660 You coming back slacked on your back like a retard. 01:23:01.780 --> 01:23:04.200 Fill that shicey law shit, get your ass deep on. 01:23:04.540 --> 01:23:06.500 Next three bars, you get Bill Ma. 01:23:06.640 --> 01:23:08.860 Keep you in a jail cell like your steel cards. 01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:11.540 Hide the steel bars, take your pen and your note cards. 01:23:11.620 --> 01:23:13.120 Leave you choked up like asthmatic. 01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:13.960 We'll see you then. 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:14.360 Wait a second. 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.040 Thanks. 01:23:26.460 --> 01:23:27.620 Peace. 01:23:30.280 --> 01:23:30.800 Peace. 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:32.380 Peace. 01:23:32.380 --> 01:23:33.320 Peace. 01:23:33.820 --> 01:23:35.980 Peace. 01:23:35.980 --> 01:23:51.220 The Warriors are good. 01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:54.040 Real good. 01:23:56.540 --> 01:23:57.660 The best.