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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers.

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I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my tools, I'll post a million jpegs if you're in a fag tone.

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my sixfold.

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I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable.

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero.

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle.

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Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug.

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z.

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Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely.

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You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones.

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And NASDAQ, leave your file on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals.

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Serial codes, source codes, axoles, rams, sips, sips.

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals.

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Hello and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio, episode 193.

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We're coming to you today on May 8, 2007.

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And, you know, 193, that's really close to 200.

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It's a big 200.

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And it's supposed to be a special episode from what I understand,

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but nobody tells me anything about it.

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Just a little old face man here.

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And we just lost half our audience when they figured out it was me.

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So, we haven't had an episode in, I think, two weeks.

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Something like that.

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So, you don't have your radio crew today.

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You have Face Man as the host.

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I know I've gone up a lot since I was last here.

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We have Zal91 over here.

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Say hi.

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Hey everyone.

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Damn cat, wasn't even hungry.

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Anubis, our engineer, is recording.

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Oh, did you start without me?

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Great, okay, fantastic.

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Yeah, we started without you.

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Oh, great.

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So, that's Drake.

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And we have a female co-host here.

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Say hi, female co-host.

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Tell us your name.

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Hi, female co-host.

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Oh, this is Noelle.

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So, we have Noelle over there.

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Today's episode, or tonight, or this evening, or...

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You know what, it's been four weeks.

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I don't even think it matters anymore.

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We have day, evening, night, afternoon.

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Whenever you're listening.

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So, don't tune out now.

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You won't be disappointed.

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Yes, you will.

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Uh-oh.

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Just go.

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Okay, so.

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As Noelle is not in the rest of the episode,

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she is going to give us her personal hacking story,

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and then we're going to switch to the pre-recorded episode,

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where the other three of us give our personal hacking story,

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and cover email and the main topic.

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So, uh...

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Noelle, what have you been doing in the hacking world?

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Recently bought a Roomba slash Gooba combo,

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which, I don't know, they're annoying.

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It's annoying.

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Yeah, not worth it.

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I mean, you have to charge it and blah.

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And my mom is kind of crazy,

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and she always tries to figure out ways to keep me off the computer,

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but little does she know, I have lots and lots of friends

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to supply me with spare parts.

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Like, she took away the power cord,

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and most recently the monitor cord,

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but for a short while she, uh...

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She tried to delete my user on Windows,

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so that I couldn't get on.

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And for a while, she...

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I was really careful.

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Like, of course, I just went under the administrator.

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But for a while, I was really careful.

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So are you not supposed to be on the computer?

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Oh, no.

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No.

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Not at all?

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Not bad.

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Not at all.

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Not at all.

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I'm not sure why.

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It's kind of crazy.

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And then one day she was, uh...

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I was just like,

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Mom, I need to get online for something.

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And she was like,

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Just get on.

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Like, what are you talking about?

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And she's like,

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Just go on like you always do.

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Like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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So you're also a liar.

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Huh?

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Is that it?

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You're also a liar, then.

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Is that it?

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Dot, dot, dot.

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No.

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Yeah, that's pretty much it.

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Okay.

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Straight up.

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All right.

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Well, personally, I think the Roomba would be cool.

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Is that what it is, Roomba, or is it Rumba?

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I think it's Roomba.

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It is cool.

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I mean, the technology and stuff is cool.

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Yeah.

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But once you actually have it in your living room while you're trying to listen to music

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or do something else,

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it's quieter than a vacuum cleaner.

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And I guess it's more convenient.

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But, I don't know.

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It follows you around.

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It does follow you around.

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Oh, that's cute.

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Put a little, like, suit on it in sense of pet.

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A little dog suit.

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No, my mom refers to it as he, like it is our pet.

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It's like, oh, look at him go.

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I'm like, mom, it is a robot.

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It is a robot.

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No gender.

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What you need is a Segway.

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Just ride that around.

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Put a little broom on the Segway, like right on motors.

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Just Segway back and forth.

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That would be cool.

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That would be awesome.

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No, but the rimbo rapes chair legs and scatters papers.

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Well, so does Face Man, but we let him clean.

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Yes, but we're not bringing that up with our many, many listeners.

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Okay, fine, fine.

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Some of which are government officials.

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Oh, jeez.

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Okay.

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Well, sounds cool.

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And now we give you our recorded little piece of whatever it is that we have.

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So you should stop listening about now and jump to the end.

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Now, I've got to ask you, what are you guys drinking?

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I am drinking Orangina, which my grandmother sent from England.

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So it's English.

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Yes.

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Well, I have a pound of chocolate, water, and everybody's favorite, sweet tea.

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I'll tell you what, I got more emails on the sweet tea thing from when I was on here,

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last time I was on here.

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About the sweet tea than anything else.

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Sweet tea is so manly, so, you know.

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I got more email about the sweet tea than I did about the fact that it was a wilderness survival episode.

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Don't tune out now.

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This is going to be good.

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We're going to throw in some urban survival in there, too.

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No, it won't.

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It's going to be terrible leave.

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Well, does anybody have any housekeeping?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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What has happened in the last three weeks that needs housekeeping?

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Well, we haven't had episodes.

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I think we covered that.

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Yes, yes, we did.

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Let's move right into personal hacking stories, then.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Well, I just recently got a new computer running Windows Vista that I'm going to get to play with for a little while.

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It is a HP Media Center, but the mouse does not work.

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It's wireless.

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It has a leet touchscreen.

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Yes, it has a leet touchscreen, and I got to throw the show notes all together with a touchscreen.

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And I had to edit the crap out of them, so they worked.

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Yeah.

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Plus, my keyboard is wireless, and it's dying.

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But it's really a cool computer.

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It's been fun to play with Vista.

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The voice recognition is not as high as I'd probably like it to, but it's about as good as I can expect.

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Well, did you train it?

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Yes, I trained it.

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Well, did you get a headset mic, or just a low-laying mic that's on there?

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It has a built-in array mic.

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Oh, that should be fine, then.

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HP did a good job on this computer.

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Maybe it filters out noobs, and it just didn't like you.

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You know, it might, because everybody else doesn't have a problem with it at all.

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I like the voice recognition in Vista.

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I think it's actually very nice.

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Have you done the thing with the mouse grid, where it makes the mouse grid, and you can click around?

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Yeah, the mouse grid is a lot of fun.

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Oh, it's so much fun.

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I didn't try it out before I upgraded to XP from Vista.

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I should have.

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I would have another excuse to hate it.

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I can't really say that XP is an upgrade.

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I can't really say that it's a downgrade, either.

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It's different.

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It's just not the same.

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Yeah, it's just not the same.

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So, I'm going to be doing some video editing on this.

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I have to edit two three-day seminars.

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So, that's six days of full video, and they recorded the whole thing.

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What are you planning on using for that?

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For that, I'm not really sure yet.

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I will probably wind up using Windows Movie Maker.

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Can I recommend Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas?

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Sony Vegas is all right.

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I've used it.

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I'm not a fan of it, but I like Adobe Premiere.

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Hack 5 uses Sony Vegas.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'll have to check that out.

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Maybe they'll buy that for me.

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That's why they use Sony Vegas, is because it's so inexpensive comparatively.

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Yeah, but I get to have this leaked computer in my room for the next month and get to do all this stuff with it.

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Until they get the credit card bill and rebuild it back, huh?

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Actually, while I have the camcorder, I might do like a thing of Hack TV.

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Don't hold me to that, though.

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I'm going to hold you to it now.

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No, don't hold me to that.

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You can't hold me to doing a Hack TV.

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Send hate mail if he doesn't do it.

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Faceman at awesome.com.

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Send it all there.

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What you can hold it to is that I am going to be purchasing my own camcorder sometime within the next three months.

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I've been doing that, playing with Vista.

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I've been playing with Free Spire, which is free.

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How about that?

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Yeah, well, what it is, is there's Linspire, and then there's Free Spire, and Linspire is not free, and Free Spire is free.

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And they're both Linux.

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It's Linux for the noobs, pretty much.

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Yeah, it's pretty easy.

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And for me, I need that.

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I mean, I'm a phone freak.

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I don't do this whole computer machine.

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You should try Ubuntu.

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It's nice.

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The new version is 7.10 beta.

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It's nice.

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7.04?

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Well, that's the beta.

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The release will be 7.10.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I have that on my other machine, and I don't really like it.

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Just go with Debian.

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And I think 4.0 Stable came out today.

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Oh, did it?

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Ooh.

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Well, I'll tell you what.

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Since I was on the show last, I still have not been able to get Debian working.

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Well, you know, Ubuntu is based off Debian.

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Yeah, well, now I'm running Free Spire, so.

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You should run Gen 2 and be leet.

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Or Source.

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But I'm not leet.

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I'm leet at the phones.

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This whole computer machine thing.

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The computer machine?

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Yeah, it's a computer machine.

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You suck at the online?

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No, I don't suck at the online.

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Just the computer machine.

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You should learn how to use bullet points, though.

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Make my life easier.

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Well, I can't do bullet points with a keyboard that's dying and a touch screen.

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And you can't do bullet points with a Mac.

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I mean, come on.

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Drake, that's what we have you here for.

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To add bullet points to our show notes.

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Yeah, that's basically it.

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So, I think that is my personal hacking story.

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Oh, yeah, I was going to tell the Walmart story.

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Basically, I got owned by Walmart the other night.

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Yes.

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It was kind of Walmart owning me and self-ownage all at the same time.

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We were on Bell's Mind, pound 666, pimp-pimp.

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No, it's not pound.

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It should be a pimp-pimp of everything.

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Okay, so it's room 666 that we're generally in.

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So, stop in there and say, hey.

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That was my .net homepage.

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Yeah, it's right there.

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So, one of the guys in there had never gotten on the Walmart PA.

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And for some reason we were talking about it.

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God forbid that, because I hate Walmart.

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And I really don't like talking about them either.

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But with all of their fabulous low prices and one-stop shopping, how can anyone not love Walmart?

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Yeah.

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So, we called them up and, well, excuse me, I called them up.

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And I was going to show this guy how to get on the Walmart.

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Show them how to get on the Walmart PA.

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We had to call them five stores before that and get the damn extension number, too.

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It was four.

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Four stores.

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A bit of social engineering there.

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Yeah, a little bit of social engineering.

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We had to call them and get the extension to get on the PA.

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Because as much as Ponyboy does a wonderful job on Project Walmart Freedom, the stores in...

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California.

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Yeah, what city was it?

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It was San Diego.

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San Diego.

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The Walmarts in San Diego do not use the same extensions as mentioned on Project Walmart Freedom, as we soon discovered.

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We social engineered them out of that.

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And so, we called another one and got transferred to pound 96.

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Well, as I was doing this...

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Well, we didn't get transferred to pound 96.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I got transferred to pound 96.

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But see, on the conference, if you press pound, it drops you from the room.

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If you press nine from the main menu, the coder comes on and reads off your caller ID.

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Well, lo and behold, I didn't block my caller ID that night.

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So, over the Walmart PA goes my caller ID.

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So, I barely caught it in time to cut off the last three digits of my phone number.

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So, if you were lucky enough to be in a San Diego Walmart that happened to be one that I called, theoretically, I mean, if I could get in trouble for it or anything, I didn't really do it.

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It was Drake, and I'm just telling the story.

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I live in San Diego, too, so you're just screwing me over, aren't you?

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Yep.

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No, it was Savant.

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Savant did it.

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Yeah, Savant did it.

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Savant did it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, well, so my caller ID got broadcast all over the Walmart PA.

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I have later learned ways to not have the DTMF do anything.

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We then successfully owned them three nights later.

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So, anyways, Bell's Mind has kind of been getting up and going recently a little bit more now that Bell's Mind is actually back up.

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Props to Not Theory, by the way.

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Oh, my God, yes.

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It's fantastic.

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Yeah, we all love Not Theory.

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I heart Not Theory.

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Lesson three, Not Theory.

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I was about to say that.

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So, thanks to Not Theory and the wonderful lady at Walmart.

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She was nice, too.

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Yes, she was nice.

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I have successfully been owned by Walmart.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, that's my Walmart story.

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I think my frame arrives tomorrow from Germany for my, uh, I'm putting a laptop in a picture frame, another one, right?

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And I ordered a frame from Germany, so it's Germany.

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So, you can have, like, a dynamic font site?

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Okay.

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Well, see, my goal is to have the laptop in the picture frame so I can have different pictures of Zhao every 15 minutes or so.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Come on, get somebody prettier than that.

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I'm sure Straum or Stank Dog will send you pictures.

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Have a slideshow?

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My chair just broke underneath me.

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This is bad.

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All right, well, do you guys have personal hacking stories?

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Uh, I think photoshopping for a bunch of people.

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That's pretty much it.

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If you need any graphic work done for free, just contact me somehow.

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Of course, we have to pay in other ways, but just not money.

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Yeah, Straum still is me.

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That was starting as a mafia.

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Screw this stupid chair.

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I'm doing the show on my knees.

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That's what she said.

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While you're down there, can you bow down to my greatness?

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You know, speaking of bowing down, we are recording the show on Sunday, Easter Sunday.

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So, this is our Easter special.

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And there goes Straum.

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He just turned the show off when we mentioned religion.

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Yeah, well, there's like 6,000 listeners after a month or something.

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So, I think we're good if we lose one person.

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So, for everybody out there, he is risen.

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Do you guys not know the response to that?

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No, I don't.

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I'm not a religious person.

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Yeah, everybody knows the response to that.

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Well, besides you guys.

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Okay, do you want to explain it to us then?

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Okay, I say he is risen, and you say he is risen indeed.

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But that sounds dumb.

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Yeah, really.

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Well.

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Are you aware that sounds dumb?

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Because it does.

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No, I hadn't really thought about it.

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Well, you should...

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Okay, go up to a random person on the street and try that and see how it works out and get back to me.

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It worked fine this afternoon.

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Okay, not today.

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It's Easter.

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I mean, in general.

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Well, you only do it on Easter.

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Well, I'm not going to.

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I'm going to do it tomorrow.

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Well, I'll tell you what.

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Easter's...

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Three weeks from now, remind me.

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I got a pound of chocolate sitting next to me.

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It's 2,300 calories.

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Really?

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Mm-hmm.

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This...

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I'm sure that's what I'm drinking right now.

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Orange units and the healthy...

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It's 12% juice.

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What else is it?

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Uh...

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High fructose corn syrup.

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Orange pulp.

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Natural flavor.

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This is such bad radio.

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Well, and 40 milligrams of carbs.

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Or, sodium.

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What else?

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Did we get an email?

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Did we get an email?

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So, we'll move into email now.

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Real.

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Send in in in red.

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Real.

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Real.

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Send in in in red.

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Send in in in red.

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Send in in in red.

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Real.

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At sendred.com.

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No.

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No one sent this email.

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I just opened it, and my computer shut down, so...

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so I think that means

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they're sending it.

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Your computer shut down?

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Yeah.

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Because, like,

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a Mac.

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Actually, I was in Windows,

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so...

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Well, you have Kevin Rose

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on SpeedDoll, right?

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Yeah, I'll just call him

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and go fix my Mac.

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He's such an asshat.

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I hate him so much.

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I'll just come to sleep

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with my mom.

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Well, that concludes

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email, then.

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Wasn't that exciting?

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Yeah.

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All right, so we're going

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to go into

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our specific show topic,

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which is...

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Wilderness Survival Part 3.

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Yep.

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So, what we're going

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to talk about today

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is nuclear, biological,

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and chemical

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while in the woods

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with no preparation

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to protect yourself

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against it.

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And I think this should

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take up a full episode,

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so...

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Well, I hope so.

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Well, there's just one thing

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you need to remember.

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If a nuke goes off,

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hide under your desk.

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Under the desk.

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Oh, yeah.

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And hide underneath the desk.

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Duck and cover.

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I have that video.

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That video is so funny.

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But for the record,

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hiding under your desk

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does absolutely nothing.

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When Jimmy hears the bang,

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he's not afraid.

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He knows what to do.

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He ducks and covers.

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And you see this huge blast,

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and he's all fine and stuff.

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And he doesn't integrate.

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Oh, no.

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Jimmy's fine underneath the desk,

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but the XP on top is gone.

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No, our show is not really

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about wilderness survival.

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Today we're talking about

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NCFI,

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the National Computer Forensics Institute.

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But what is that?

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Well,

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it's somewhat like

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a hacker college, almost.

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It's by the government.

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Okay, good.

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That's exactly where I want to be.

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Mm-hmm.

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And...

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But not for the government.

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It's evil.

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There's a couple of press releases.

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Don't look like helicopters

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behind kids.

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There's a couple of press releases

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I want to give everybody.

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So you can pause the show

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and go to these press releases.

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The first one

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is on the Homeland Security page,

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or their site.

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I don't think it's on the index page anymore.

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And it's tinyurl.com

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3, 4,

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Papa,

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Lima,

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Kilo,

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Bravo.

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And the second one,

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well,

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let me give a little

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back story first.

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The facility they're putting in,

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they're putting it in

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in Hoover, Alabama,

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which is...

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That's right next door

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to me, almost.

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So,

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there was also

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a press release

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on the Hoover, Alabama

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website,

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and that can be found

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at tinyurl.com

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3,

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Delta,

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Kilo,

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Echo,

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Delta,

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Lima.

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Okay,

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so,

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everybody's read that now.

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What we want to talk about

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is the

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government's official goals

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and ideas

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for this program.

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First,

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we kind of have to tell you

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what it is.

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That could help you.

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Yeah,

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for those of you

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that didn't read it,

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or maybe don't have

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access to the computer now,

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you burn the show

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to your MP3 player,

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which,

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why would you want us

22:29.160 --> 22:30.140
on your MP3 player

22:30.140 --> 22:30.460
is beyond...

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They burn the show

22:31.220 --> 22:32.100
to the MP3 player?

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Okay,

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terminology,

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great.

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I told you,

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I suck at the

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computer machine thingy.

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I'm holding my iPod

22:38.500 --> 22:39.560
above the lighter right now.

22:40.320 --> 22:41.740
The overall goal of it

22:41.740 --> 22:42.800
is to train

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law enforcement officers

22:44.700 --> 22:46.420
and the Department of Justice

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and judges

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and everything

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the way computers work

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because right now,

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I hate to pop your bubble,

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but

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they're not exactly

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the brightest bulbs

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in the bucket.

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Whoa,

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whoa,

22:58.980 --> 22:59.220
whoa,

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whoa.

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The internet is not

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a series of tubes?

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No,

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I'm afraid to tell you

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it's really dump trucks.

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Oh,

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okay.

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Oh,

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okay.

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Yeah,

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Ted Stevens got that wrong.

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It's dump trucks.

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I'm sorry.

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And that is my

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official opinion on it.

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It is dump trucks.

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I agree.

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I mean,

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Black Ratchet

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has stated on

23:20.760 --> 23:22.160
previous episodes

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that,

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you know,

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the tubes

23:23.820 --> 23:24.580
is a good analogy,

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but

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to tell you the truth,

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I think dump trucks are,

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but,

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uh,

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I think a good analogy

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would be maybe a web.

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Book off the interweb.

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The web,

23:34.160 --> 23:34.920
the web fits

23:34.920 --> 23:35.800
for the worldwide web,

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but

23:36.240 --> 23:37.420
the worldwide web

23:37.420 --> 23:38.040
is what sucks

23:38.040 --> 23:38.660
about the internet,

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and

23:39.560 --> 23:40.540
I've said that before.

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Without the worldwide web,

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the internet would be awesome.

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You know,

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we should all just

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move back to dial-up.

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Everything will be fine.

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Oh,

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well,

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for real.

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28 bod.

23:53.220 --> 23:53.980
One bod.

23:53.980 --> 23:57.220
We have digressed

23:57.220 --> 23:57.860
so far.

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So,

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back on topic.

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The overall goal

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of this

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is to be a school

24:02.900 --> 24:04.020
for law enforcement,

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Department of Justice,

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district attorney,

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and judges,

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local law enforcement,

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to train them

24:10.660 --> 24:11.420
on the ways

24:11.420 --> 24:12.400
of the tube.

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Dump trucks.

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Or dump trucks.

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I think we made that point.

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It's dump trucks.

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So,

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they need to understand

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the way it works,

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and most of them

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do not now.

24:21.840 --> 24:23.700
And there's also

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going to be

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what they call

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a smart courtroom

24:26.260 --> 24:27.380
there.

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And so,

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maybe,

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the way I'm saying it,

24:31.140 --> 24:31.940
is if you commit

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a federal computer crime,

24:34.440 --> 24:35.580
you will come right back

24:35.580 --> 24:36.600
to my neck of the woods.

24:37.580 --> 24:38.620
To Alabama,

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where the nexus

24:39.420 --> 24:40.380
of all technology

24:40.380 --> 24:41.400
in the United States is.

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Yes,

24:42.400 --> 24:42.960
and actually,

24:43.040 --> 24:43.500
I think that's

24:43.500 --> 24:44.060
at the bottom

24:44.060 --> 24:45.800
of the article here.

24:46.480 --> 24:47.380
The state of Alabama

24:47.380 --> 24:48.800
will be synonymous

24:48.800 --> 24:49.660
with the cutting edge

24:49.660 --> 24:51.300
of all high-technology-based

24:51.300 --> 24:51.940
law enforcement

24:51.940 --> 24:53.220
and crime prevention.

24:53.620 --> 24:54.020
The nation,

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as well as the world,

24:56.140 --> 24:57.920
will look to Alabama first

24:57.920 --> 24:59.420
to educate and train

24:59.420 --> 25:00.560
the next generation

25:00.560 --> 25:02.140
of world-class

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high-technology

25:03.680 --> 25:05.760
computer forensic professionals.

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You hear that, y'all?

25:06.820 --> 25:07.680
So, it's just before

25:07.680 --> 25:09.480
or after the apocalypse happens.

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You heard it here first, folks.

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Alabama is synonymous

25:14.360 --> 25:15.540
with cutting-edge

25:15.540 --> 25:16.840
high-technology.

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You mean it wasn't already?

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Well, I mean,

25:20.640 --> 25:21.460
we have Huntsville.

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Well, I mean,

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you guys have, like,

25:23.480 --> 25:24.780
what, five, six computers now?

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So, you're rocking it.

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Yeah, and with this new HP,

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I got that seven.

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Oh, wow.

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I have a Mac,

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so that almost counts

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as a full computer, right?

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So, yeah.

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I want to cover

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kind of what this will

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supposedly accomplish.

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and their basic idea

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is to educate

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these people

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that should know

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what they're talking about

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and really don't.

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I don't know how many times

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I have to say that.

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They really don't.

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And I'm probably

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going to go on a rant

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on that in a little bit.

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But the idea is

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that they need to know

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what's going on

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and this should be able

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to put a stop

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to certain crimes.

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And they have the list here

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of the crimes

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they want to stop.

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That being

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hacking,

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theft,

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email threat,

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complex or organized

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identity theft,

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white color crime,

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theft of telecommunication service,

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theft of trademark

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and copyrighted material.

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The list goes on.

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We're going to touch

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on that in a little bit

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because it is

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it's something that

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you'll see in a minute.

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Well, hacking is wrong.

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It should be illegal.

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Yeah.

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Supposedly.

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But we'll touch

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on that in a minute

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in my rant.

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And hopefully

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this will remove

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the ignorance

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that is currently

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about computers

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from the Department

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of Justice.

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No one will.

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It won't be like

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this guy

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Hacksword

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Mike Gibson

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He stole my internet

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sentence in his death.

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Oh my gosh,

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barbecue hacks.

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And some of the fear

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of what people have

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of hackers.

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And we've said

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it on the show

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before.

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Hackers are not bad.

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I think the first

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yeah, the first episode

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of BinRev Radio

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was stank on a rant

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about how

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hacking is not bad.

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I think you were

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preaching to the choir.

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Yeah, I'm preaching

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to the choir here

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so I'm going to move on.

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I just want to touch on

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kind of who is involved

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here.

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I have a small list.

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We have the SS,

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Secret Service,

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DHS, Department

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of Homeland Security,

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FBI, Federal Bureau

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of Investigation,

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DOJ, Department

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of Justice,

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LEO, local law

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enforcement officers,

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DA, Department

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District Attorney,

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NSA, National

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Security Agency,

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OMG, Oh My Gosh,

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BBQ, Barbecue,

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TLA, Three Letter

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Agency,

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oh no wait.

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Who added those

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to the show notes?

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That was me.

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Quick side note,

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what do you guys

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think of Google Docs?

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I've never used it

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before, but...

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I like it.

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I like Google Docs.

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I'm using it right now.

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It's Google Docs.

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It's awesome,

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except it doesn't

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work in Safari.

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No, okay,

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your match just

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restarted halfway

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through the show.

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I think maybe it's

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locally a problem.

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We'll leave Google Docs

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out of the show.

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We'll pimp it at the end.

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Oh, that's fine.

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Go ahead and add it

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to the end of the show

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note.

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Because we can do that

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because it's all

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leet and

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collaborative.

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I'm going to read

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some of the major

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points in this.

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Just kind of go through,

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read off the titles

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of the different

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sections on the

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major press release,

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which is on the

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Hoover website.

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The press release on

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the Department of

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Homeland Security

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website, it wasn't

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very long.

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It was a paragraph

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or two.

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So I'm going to read

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off just the titles

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here and just kind

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of what they're about.

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They have the

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overall introduction

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just kind of telling

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you what's going on,

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when the building's

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being put in,

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where they're starting.

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They're talking about

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a ceremony they're

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doing.

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Then they have

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the problem,

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which is, of course,

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hackers and theft

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and money being

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stolen.

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Then they have a

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quick solution,

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which actually is

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not a solution.

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What is their

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solution?

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Their solution

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is to teach

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people.

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Knowledge and

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power.

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Let's see.

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The academic-based

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programs teach the

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theory of computer

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digital evidence.

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The theory?

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The theory.

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They're not going to

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teach them how to

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actually do it.

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They're just going to

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teach them the

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theory.

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So, like, this is a

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computer and it holds

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information?

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Yeah, probably.

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Well, actually, it

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looks like they're

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going to have some

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of the brightest minds

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that are involved

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with law enforcement

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and computers in

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there.

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So, you know, they

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might have something

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in there that's

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moderately good.

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They have projections

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and goals for the

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National Computer

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Forensics Institute,

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which really just

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kind of says, hey,

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we're going to

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protect Mama and

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her kids from

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computer crime.

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Which is good.

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We need that.

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Yeah, I mean,

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really, you wouldn't

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want to be killed

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by some hacker

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through your

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computer.

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What was that,

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a National Enquirer

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or Weekly World

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News thing?

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Hackers can make

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your computer explode

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by modifying the

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molecular structure

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of it.

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I can do that.

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I can do that.

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You can't do that?

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Oh, you're on a

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Mac.

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It's not compatible.

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No, like, the Mac

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has the alpha button

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on my keyboard that

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does it.

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Do you have the

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Pwn button?

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Picture of Kevin

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Rose, like,

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shaking his finger?

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All you have to do

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is remotely reset

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the refresh rate to

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20,000 times every

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half second.

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You're good to go.

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I'm on LCD.

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I'm fine.

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Yeah, you're fine.

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But little Mama

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and her kids.

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Actually, I'm not.

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I have seven monitors

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pointed at me right

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now, so I'm toast.

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The whole block

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would go up and

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fly.

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Fried from all

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directions.

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And for the record,

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none of us can

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actually blow up a

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computer.

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Except Zal91.

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Except Zal91.

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Yeah, but he has

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the Kevin Rose

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button.

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Zal has napalm

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built into his

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computer.

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No, not napalm.

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Thermite.

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Thermite.

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Napalm would do

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the trick, too.

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I almost bought a

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thermite drive one

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time.

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Yeah.

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It was so expensive.

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Oh, my God.

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It was like $2,000.

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Yeah, but if

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somebody's

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a three-meter

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agency is

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busted on your

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door, and then

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you press a

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button, and

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they see fire,

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what are they

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going to do?

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Well, as much

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of a cash-money

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millionaire as I

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am, I don't

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have $2,000 to

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literally waste like

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that.

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Haven't you ever

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read the

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anarchist cookbook?

31:49.460 --> 31:50.020
Yes, but I

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didn't think that

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you could actually

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make thermite.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, you can.

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Yeah.

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Not that I know

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about this.

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I might have a

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friend.

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in a metal container.

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I might have a

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friend who might have

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made thermite from

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the recipe in the

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anarchist cookbook.

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Bob.

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Oh, I mean

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Bob, Bob.

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Yeah, Bob, Bob.

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We all know

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Bob, right?

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I think Bob is

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savant, but...

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I think Bob is

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savant, too, yes.

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I think Bob called

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Walmart and got

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owned.

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Well, I might have a

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friend who might just

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know that the recipe in

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the anarchist cookbook for

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thermite works.

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I don't mind not.

32:24.320 --> 32:24.820
You never know.

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Of course, BinRev Radio

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supports no illegal

32:28.520 --> 32:30.760
explosives as such.

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I do, though, but not

32:33.440 --> 32:34.100
BinRev Radio.

32:34.460 --> 32:35.060
Yes, I condone

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explosives.

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They're quite fine if

32:36.160 --> 32:36.940
you do it safely.

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Yes, safely as in

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with a license.

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I can quote my

32:41.420 --> 32:41.780
sig.

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Stank dog and the

32:42.760 --> 32:43.920
GDP do not condone

32:43.920 --> 32:44.940
what I say, and if

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it's illegal, neither

32:45.700 --> 32:46.240
do I.

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All right, so I'm

32:49.300 --> 32:49.840
going to finish here.

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They have a joint

32:50.980 --> 32:52.820
effort just kind of

32:52.820 --> 32:54.200
overlaying that it

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won't just be Secret

32:55.840 --> 32:56.840
Service or just

32:56.840 --> 32:57.520
Department of Homeland

32:57.520 --> 32:57.960
Security.

32:59.780 --> 33:00.740
They just kind of go

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through a quick list of

33:01.700 --> 33:02.300
the different people

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involved.

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Then the next one is

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the building and just

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kind of who's building

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the building, what

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specific agencies will

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have access to the

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building, when they're

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building it.

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They don't mention where

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they're building it.

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They do mention when it

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should be done, which

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is January 1, 2008,

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which I believe is just

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the first phase.

33:23.180 --> 33:24.460
They kind of overlay

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what it has in it,

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which is six

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classrooms and an

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actual working

33:30.040 --> 33:31.360
computer forensic

33:31.360 --> 33:32.120
lab.

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Why would they need

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that?

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Say it with me now.

33:37.400 --> 33:38.900
Computers in Alabama.

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As well as a smart

33:41.320 --> 33:42.820
courtroom, among other

33:42.820 --> 33:43.160
things.

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You know what that

33:43.600 --> 33:43.980
means?

33:44.260 --> 33:45.700
The toilets will have

33:45.700 --> 33:47.040
a 56K modem.

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They're set to begin

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construction mid-April

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to the first of May.

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Now, I've been driving

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around looking for this

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place, and I have no

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idea where they're going

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to build it.

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They've got other type of

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criminal activity

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include, and that's the

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list of all the different

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stuff they want to

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defend against, and that

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takes up a full page of

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my screen.

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They've got their

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training schedule on

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here, and it looks like

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they're going to have

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approximately 900 to

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1,500 students per year

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with 48 calendar weeks of

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training each year,

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utilizing state-of-the-art

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facility with smart

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courtrooms.

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Do you want to explain

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what a smart courtroom

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is?

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I don't know.

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That's all they call it,

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is a smart courtroom.

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We're going to attempt,

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now we're recording this

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on Sunday, the Hoover

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City Hall and Hoover

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Public Safety Building

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was closed on Friday when

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I tried to call them for

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Easter, and they will not

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be open again until

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Monday.

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So I'm going to try and

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call them on Monday, see

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if I can get a hold of

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somebody, do a quick phone

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interview, and then see if

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we can append it to the

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end of the episode.

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Don't hold me to that,

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and I'll only do it if

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it's a really decent

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phone call.

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What were we talking

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about?

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Crap.

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I believe you were just

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finishing off with

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something with smart

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courtrooms.

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All right, I am so

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leet, I just fixed my

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chair.

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Could we continue on,

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please?

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I'd hate to bring down

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the quality of Bin

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Rev Radio.

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Okay.

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I'm going to read their

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actual casework example

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here.

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A school system's

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computer network

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security is compromised.

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The names, date of

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birth, and social

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security numbers of

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young students are

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stolen.

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Merchants of stolen

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identities know that

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each of the unblemished

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credit identities of

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young males can be worth

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tens of thousands of

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dollars overseas.

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identities are easily

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sold over the internet.

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Sexual offenders and

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predators use their

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computers to store and

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collect images of

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children being sexually

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exploited as well as to

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develop relationships with

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other individuals who

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share similar interests.

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There is a growing

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segment of the population

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who develop relationships

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with vulnerable children in

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order to meet for the

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purpose of sexual

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contact.

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Contact.

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Recently, thousands of

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our nation's veterans have

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had their identities

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compromised by an

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employee carelessly

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handling information.

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At this time, experts can

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only speculate as to the

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extent of the potential

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criminal activity that

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could ensue should this

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information fall into the

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wrong hands.

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I mean, while all of

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that is possible and

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probably very easy to

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do, they don't need to

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tell people that.

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People seem to lose data

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all the time now.

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I know.

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It's all over the news.

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About once a week, someone

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left a laptop somewhere.

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Why would you carry a

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database on a laptop to

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begin with?

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I think it's some three-letter

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organization.

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I don't know.

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I read somewhere it got

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400 laptops stolen.

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It was the veteran

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hospital place, people.

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And their laptop got

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stolen.

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You know, if I was

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carrying that kind of

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information on a laptop

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and I wouldn't, but if I

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did, I would at least

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just take the drive out

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and put it in my back

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pocket or something.

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Because someone would

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have to target the hard

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drive, but they're

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probably just going to

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look for the laptop just

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to put the laptop on

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eBay.

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Yeah, and the idea is

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they probably didn't even

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know what they got.

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Yeah.

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At least full disk

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encryption.

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I mean, it's not that

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hard.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's fine.

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I am not against this

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school that is, that's a

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great thing that they can

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do, they can teach these

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people that.

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But this, this section of

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the press release, the

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whole, the whole thing is

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tinted with the fear

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tactics that they're using.

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And, I mean, everybody

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knows that their names and

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date of birth and social

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security numbers can be

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compromised.

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And they're, they're using

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kids and they're calling

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them, they're innocent and

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they can't protect

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themselves.

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Well, you know what?

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Well, hackers are up.

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I mean, I wouldn't do

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that, but they use these

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fear tactics and they,

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they say, hey, your kids,

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they can be taken and

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then they, they, they

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jump right in from their

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credit identities to being

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the kid to have sexual

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contact with some adult

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that impersonated a kid.

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I mean, we all know that's

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bad and most people know,

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hey, don't give out your

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name and stuff on the

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internet.

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Or your phone number on a

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PA system.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But, I mean, everybody

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knows not to do that.

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I mean, we teach kids in

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schools not to do that

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now.

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But.

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They should be more

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concerned about places like

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MySpace where these kids

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put their entire, you know,

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this is the route I take to

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school and I'm by myself.

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I think, what is it,

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Facebook?

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Like, it has a, on your

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default profile page, it

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displays your phone number

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and I think your address and

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stuff automatically.

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Yeah.

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And you have to have a

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school to get a Facebook,

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right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, a school system's

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computer network security is

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compromised.

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Well, I can go ahead and

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guarantee you that 90%, and I'm

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pulling that out of my butt,

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90% of all school system

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computer networks is

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compromised already.

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I know for a fact my

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friend Bob's school network

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is.

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I know for a fact.

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That's mine.

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I know for a fact that all

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of the networks in my area

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I can get on, no problem.

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Yeah.

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Well, my friend Bob's school

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doesn't even have encryption

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on their Wi-Fi.

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Let me tell you about my

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friend Bob's school.

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My friend Bob's school, the

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password to log into the

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computers is your full name

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followed by your birth

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day as the password.

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Yeah.

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And they say a school

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system's computer security

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could be compromised.

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Could be.

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They are.

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All right?

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This is not an example.

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This is, well, yes, it is

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an example.

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But it's fear tactics that

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don't need to be used.

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I mean, honestly, this is

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true.

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It could be done.

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Let me play devil's

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advocate.

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Okay, if I went up to a

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parent and said, like,

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hey, I can get

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information about you.

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I can find out all of the

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phone calls you've made in

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the last, you know, six

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months.

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They'll go, well, I don't

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care if you know who I'm

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calling.

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But if I said, I can find

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out exactly who your child

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is calling for the entire

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last six months and

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everywhere they've been and

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everywhere they're going,

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the parent might get

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concerned then.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, I hear all

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these people, I think this

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has probably been talked

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about before on here, but

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the people that say, hey,

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I don't care if my

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security on my computer gets

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compromised, I'll just

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Yeah, who wants to read my

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email?

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No one cares about my

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email.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's not the way

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it works.

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The information can be

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gathered.

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Everybody go listen to the

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things that 2600 did about

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privacy is dead.

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They did it.

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Oh, my God.

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Yes.

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The privacy is dead thing.

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I've been listening to that

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and it really is.

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If somebody wants

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something, they can get

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it.

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Well, it's not just one

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piece of information.

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You want to combine what

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they buy with where they

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go with who they call with

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all these things.

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So you get all these

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little pieces of

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information, but it's the

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big map you want to look

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at.

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They don't need to have

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this in there.

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I mean, they're trying to

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scare people so that

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they'll support this project.

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That's all the media does.

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Every headline is either a

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scare tactic or a human

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story about something.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm not saying that this

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isn't something that

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shouldn't be supported, but

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they don't need to use

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these fear tactics.

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And I think Department

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of Homeland Security got

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that.

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They didn't add that to

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their press release.

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This is all Hoover City,

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City of Hoover that's

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doing this.

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And I'm going to read

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another quote from their

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article here.

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Computers and digital

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technology is used in all

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manner of crimes against

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persons as well as

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property.

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It is also one of the

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leading mechanisms used

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to further terrorist acts.

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How much computer use

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do you think was involved

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with hijacking an airplane?

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Microsoft Flight Simulator?

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Well, you know...

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No, no, no.

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These guys were trained.

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They knew how to fly.

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I thought they just

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SSH'd into the plane.

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But I mean...

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Alright.

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Terrorist part out.

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Crimes against persons

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as well as property.

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What kind of crimes

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could I commit

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against property?

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Well, I could change

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who owns the car

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that you drive.

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Other than that,

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I can't think of anything.

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I mean, I guess I could

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probably change

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who owns your house.

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But that would take

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a little bit of work.

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Well, did you just say

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that with a computer

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you can't commit crime?

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No, no, no, no.

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I said...

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I mean, there's

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plenty of crimes

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you can do with a computer.

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But there's not

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nearly as many

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as they're saying

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that they're insinuating

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that there is.

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You can do more crime

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in the RL

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than on the computer.

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Yeah.

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By far.

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This is true.

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Yeah, and they're saying

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it's one of the

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leading mechanisms.

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I don't think it is.

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I mean, hey,

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these guys do statistics.

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All right, let me read

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another example here.

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The monetary losses

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from computer-related crimes

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now exceeds

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the money involved

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in the illegal

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drug trade worldwide.

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I have a question.

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Do you honestly think

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that the U.S. government

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knows how much

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illegal drug trade

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is going on worldwide?

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No way.

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No way.

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It's not

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what they're involved.

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There's no way

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that they could know

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all of what's going on.

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And the monetary losses

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from computer-related crimes

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just because

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Okay, I'm going to be

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exaggerated.

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Yeah, just because

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a bank spends

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$50,000

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to see

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if their system

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is still secure

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every time

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they get a ping.

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Well, who was that guy

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that was using

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the LexisNexis account

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at the New York Times

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and they tried to charge him

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for like

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hundreds of thousands

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of dollars worth

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of LexisNexis searches

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but they had an unlimited account?

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Did you hear about that?

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No, I didn't.

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Oh my God.

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That was like two years ago, though.

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All right.

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Here's the

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Here's my favorite

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right here.

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Criminal networks

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can reach around the world

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and cause harm

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and pain.

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And pain?

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And pain.

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And pain.

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No one is safe

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from their reaches.

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Oh no, dude.

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Use the pain button.

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It's right next to F12.

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No one is safe

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from their reaches.

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Our children,

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our identity,

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and all that is important

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are vulnerable

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to the computer-savvy criminal.

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All he needs

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is access.

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And the computer

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is an open door

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into our homes

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and our business.

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It is also an open window

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into the bedroom

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of our children.

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So like an IRC,

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instead of typing

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slash me,

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you type in like

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slash you

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and then pain

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and it works?

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I guess.

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Pseudo start pain.

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Hey, you can't type that.

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This is ironic

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that they would use

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it is also an open window

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into the bedroom

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of our children.

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If you have windows

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on your computer,

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it's an open window.

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User.

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The feature.

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The feature, yeah.

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It's a usability enhancement.

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Yeah, but I mean,

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how can

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how can criminal networks

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reach around the world

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and cause harm

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and pain?

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Okay, well,

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I have an example, actually.

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There was one guy

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who, um,

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he worked at some kind

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of sewage refinery

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or processing plant,

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something like that,

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and he got laid off

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for some reason.

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There was some kind

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of thing going on there

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and when he left,

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he took one of the

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interface radios

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that controls the pumps

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and he dumped like

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50,000 gallons

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of raw sewage

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into the environment.

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Could he have done that

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from the other side

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of the world?

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Well, maybe.

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He had to, I guess.

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But the point is,

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I guess you can kind

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of cause harm.

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I guess it depends

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on what your definition

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of hurt,

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physically or,

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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it can hurt your back

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I guess that could be

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emotional.

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I mean,

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well,

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the quote is,

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at this time,

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no standardized

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certifications exist

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to establish one

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as a recognized expert

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in the field

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of computer forensics.

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One can simply

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purchase a software package

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and learn the program

46:34.240 --> 46:35.000
and then hold

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oneself out

46:36.340 --> 46:37.120
as an expert

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in the area.

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With virtually

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no training,

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and experience,

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an individual

46:42.700 --> 46:43.740
could discredit

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years of work

46:44.660 --> 46:45.260
and research

46:45.260 --> 46:45.840
in the area

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of computer forensics

46:46.960 --> 46:47.500
as well as

46:47.500 --> 46:48.780
negatively affect

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existing legal

46:49.860 --> 46:50.560
casework.

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Wait,

46:51.560 --> 46:51.980
did they say

46:51.980 --> 46:52.500
there are no

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certifications

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you can get

46:53.940 --> 46:54.820
in computer forensics?

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No standardized

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certifications.

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Oh, I see.

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No standardized.

46:59.320 --> 46:59.840
So that's

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their way of saying

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anybody can call

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themselves an expert

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but nobody

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can stop

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these hackers

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from coming

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and killing

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your kids.

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It aggravates me

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a lot.

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Bob goes here.

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It's not so.

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Bob, yeah,

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Bob's fourth.

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All right.

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In rant,

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partially,

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I'm going to go

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through the different

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crimes they want

47:18.960 --> 47:20.340
to stop

47:20.340 --> 47:21.180
with this

47:21.180 --> 47:21.980
wonderful system.

47:22.120 --> 47:22.600
And I really,

47:23.260 --> 47:23.920
despite what I'm

47:23.920 --> 47:24.440
saying here,

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I just have a problem

47:25.460 --> 47:26.180
with the press release

47:26.180 --> 47:26.680
and what they're

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trying to do

47:27.460 --> 47:28.740
to sell this over.

47:29.300 --> 47:30.100
I really do think

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this is an excellent

47:30.960 --> 47:31.560
program

47:31.560 --> 47:32.900
that they're going

47:32.900 --> 47:33.520
to try here.

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I have a perfect

47:36.740 --> 47:38.020
thing to sum it up.

47:39.100 --> 47:40.120
The people in charge

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of the

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hooveralabama.gov

47:42.460 --> 47:43.060
website

47:43.060 --> 47:43.960
suck.

47:45.400 --> 47:46.780
They really do.

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They're not

47:47.720 --> 47:48.400
lead hacksawers.

47:48.800 --> 47:49.840
It's the mayor

47:49.840 --> 47:51.020
who is

47:51.020 --> 47:52.280
Mayor Patelos,

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I believe.

47:55.160 --> 47:56.100
It's the mayor

47:56.100 --> 47:57.240
and his homeboys.

47:58.000 --> 47:58.440
Oh, come on.

47:58.460 --> 47:58.780
You don't think

47:58.780 --> 47:59.120
these guys

47:59.120 --> 47:59.580
actually made

47:59.580 --> 48:00.060
these decisions

48:00.060 --> 48:00.500
on their own.

48:00.500 --> 48:00.980
They sit around

48:00.980 --> 48:01.220
and go,

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what would look

48:02.120 --> 48:02.320
good?

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I know,

48:02.620 --> 48:03.020
let's stop

48:03.020 --> 48:03.720
computer crime.

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How can we

48:04.280 --> 48:04.600
do that?

48:05.620 --> 48:06.080
And then they

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shoot it around

48:06.660 --> 48:07.220
for an hour or two

48:07.220 --> 48:07.580
and come out

48:07.580 --> 48:08.000
with this plan.

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Well, they didn't

48:09.760 --> 48:10.360
come up with it.

48:10.880 --> 48:11.340
Who came up

48:11.340 --> 48:11.580
with it?

48:13.040 --> 48:13.800
Secret Service

48:13.800 --> 48:14.260
and Homeland

48:14.260 --> 48:14.720
Security

48:14.720 --> 48:15.580
in a joint effort

48:15.580 --> 48:16.300
came up with it.

48:16.860 --> 48:17.460
Even better.

48:17.780 --> 48:18.240
And then

48:18.240 --> 48:19.120
our wonderful

48:19.120 --> 48:19.660
Senator

48:19.660 --> 48:20.540
something or other

48:20.540 --> 48:21.560
who

48:21.560 --> 48:23.460
he's our

48:23.460 --> 48:23.720
wonderful

48:23.720 --> 48:24.120
Senator

48:24.120 --> 48:24.820
something or other

48:24.820 --> 48:26.680
he pitched

48:26.680 --> 48:27.880
it to them

48:27.880 --> 48:28.480
to bring it

48:28.480 --> 48:28.940
to Alabama.

48:30.020 --> 48:30.420
Yeah.

48:30.500 --> 48:33.600
And some

48:33.600 --> 48:34.020
of the crimes

48:34.020 --> 48:34.480
they want to

48:34.480 --> 48:35.220
stop are

48:35.220 --> 48:35.880
hacking

48:35.880 --> 48:36.480
as they

48:36.480 --> 48:37.260
define it

48:37.260 --> 48:37.440
as

48:37.440 --> 48:38.840
unlawful

48:38.840 --> 48:39.240
access

48:39.240 --> 48:40.380
destruction

48:40.380 --> 48:41.380
of

48:41.380 --> 48:41.700
or

48:41.700 --> 48:42.320
unauthorized

48:42.320 --> 48:42.620
entry

48:42.620 --> 48:43.060
into

48:43.060 --> 48:43.800
and use

48:43.800 --> 48:44.080
of

48:44.080 --> 48:44.440
computer

48:44.440 --> 48:45.000
systems.

48:46.540 --> 48:46.760
Now see,

48:46.800 --> 48:47.120
that's way

48:47.120 --> 48:47.640
too vague.

48:48.240 --> 48:48.480
Yeah.

48:49.000 --> 48:49.300
Yeah.

48:50.380 --> 48:50.860
Because

48:50.860 --> 48:51.960
a lot of

48:51.960 --> 48:52.340
people could

48:52.340 --> 48:52.820
go to jail

48:52.820 --> 48:53.500
just for that

48:53.500 --> 48:53.820
that

48:53.820 --> 48:55.260
haven't done

48:55.260 --> 48:55.500
anything.

48:56.520 --> 48:56.900
I think

48:56.900 --> 48:57.180
I'm doing

48:57.180 --> 48:57.480
that right

48:57.480 --> 48:58.000
now probably.

48:58.360 --> 48:58.600
I mean,

48:58.700 --> 48:59.460
if they want

48:59.460 --> 48:59.700
to make

48:59.700 --> 49:00.100
that the

49:00.100 --> 49:00.380
law,

49:01.380 --> 49:02.320
by all

49:02.320 --> 49:02.580
means,

49:02.660 --> 49:02.920
they can

49:02.920 --> 49:03.380
make that

49:03.380 --> 49:03.860
the law,

49:04.540 --> 49:04.760
but

49:04.760 --> 49:07.220
yeah.

49:07.220 --> 49:07.360
Well,

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computer

49:07.680 --> 49:08.080
systems

49:08.080 --> 49:08.440
is so

49:08.440 --> 49:08.780
vague that

49:08.780 --> 49:09.020
they can

49:09.020 --> 49:09.620
apply computer

49:09.620 --> 49:10.100
systems to

49:10.100 --> 49:10.340
anything.

49:10.480 --> 49:10.640
Everything

49:10.640 --> 49:10.920
has a

49:10.920 --> 49:11.120
computer

49:11.120 --> 49:11.480
nowadays.

49:11.980 --> 49:12.200
Yeah,

49:12.260 --> 49:12.520
everything

49:12.520 --> 49:12.860
has a

49:12.860 --> 49:13.080
computer

49:13.080 --> 49:13.400
system

49:13.400 --> 49:13.660
now.

49:14.120 --> 49:14.720
And if

49:14.720 --> 49:15.240
it's

49:15.240 --> 49:15.600
hacking,

49:15.900 --> 49:16.140
they'll

49:16.140 --> 49:16.480
throw you

49:16.480 --> 49:16.920
in federal

49:16.920 --> 49:17.260
prison.

49:17.820 --> 49:18.140
So you

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break into

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a car,

49:18.940 --> 49:19.060
well,

49:19.120 --> 49:19.360
you just

49:19.360 --> 49:19.820
circumvented

49:19.820 --> 49:20.200
the alarm

49:20.200 --> 49:20.520
system.

49:20.640 --> 49:20.860
That's a

49:20.860 --> 49:21.140
computer.

49:21.300 --> 49:21.740
That's

49:21.740 --> 49:22.280
hacking and

49:22.280 --> 49:23.020
Grand Theft

49:23.020 --> 49:23.200
Auto.

49:23.880 --> 49:24.360
Yeah.

49:25.360 --> 49:25.940
Mind you,

49:26.060 --> 49:26.480
of course,

49:26.480 --> 49:27.800
that we

49:27.800 --> 49:28.280
are not

49:28.280 --> 49:28.560
legal

49:28.560 --> 49:29.060
professionals

49:29.060 --> 49:29.480
of any

49:29.480 --> 49:29.760
sort.

49:30.640 --> 49:30.900
All right,

49:30.960 --> 49:31.560
so some of

49:31.560 --> 49:31.840
their other

49:31.840 --> 49:32.160
crimes,

49:32.300 --> 49:32.640
theft,

49:33.200 --> 49:33.780
interception,

49:34.040 --> 49:34.560
manipulation,

49:34.820 --> 49:35.200
destruction,

49:35.440 --> 49:36.240
or unauthorized

49:36.240 --> 49:36.920
disclosure of

49:36.920 --> 49:37.440
data stored

49:37.440 --> 49:38.140
within computers.

49:38.700 --> 49:38.840
Well,

49:39.500 --> 49:40.240
theft,

49:40.760 --> 49:41.940
I can say

49:41.940 --> 49:42.200
that I've

49:42.200 --> 49:42.520
never done

49:42.520 --> 49:42.740
that.

49:42.960 --> 49:43.380
Can you

49:43.380 --> 49:44.220
steal data?

49:45.880 --> 49:46.520
Yes.

49:47.880 --> 49:48.380
How so?

49:49.420 --> 49:50.360
It's data.

49:50.880 --> 49:51.240
Yeah,

49:51.280 --> 49:51.640
but if I

49:51.640 --> 49:53.300
take a file

49:53.300 --> 49:53.600
from you,

49:53.660 --> 49:53.940
you still

49:53.940 --> 49:54.240
have that

49:54.240 --> 49:54.480
file,

49:54.580 --> 49:54.760
and I

49:54.760 --> 49:55.060
still have

49:55.060 --> 49:55.440
that file.

49:56.920 --> 49:57.340
That's a

49:57.340 --> 49:57.560
whole other

49:57.560 --> 49:57.780
topic.

49:57.800 --> 49:58.320
That's one

49:58.320 --> 49:58.500
of the

49:58.500 --> 49:59.020
lower ones

49:59.020 --> 49:59.280
here.

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Destruction,

50:02.440 --> 50:02.920
I've never

50:02.920 --> 50:03.440
done that.

50:04.160 --> 50:04.560
Unauthorized

50:04.560 --> 50:05.240
disclosure of

50:05.240 --> 50:05.760
data stored

50:05.760 --> 50:06.480
within computers,

50:08.020 --> 50:09.400
I've disclosed

50:09.400 --> 50:09.940
it to people

50:09.940 --> 50:10.460
that owned

50:10.460 --> 50:10.900
the computer

50:10.900 --> 50:11.300
and told

50:11.300 --> 50:11.600
them that

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their computer

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was vulnerable

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and wide

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open.

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Yeah,

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you shouldn't

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plug that

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Windows 95

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machine directly

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into the

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cable modem.

50:19.100 --> 50:19.420
Yeah.

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But on

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that case,

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I knew

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the person

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whose

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computer

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it was,

50:24.600 --> 50:24.840
and it

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wasn't a

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problem.

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I wasn't

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worried about

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getting sued

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or anything.

50:29.140 --> 50:30.540
So there's

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just so

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many different

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things on

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here.

50:32.920 --> 50:33.140
They have

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complex or

50:33.800 --> 50:34.220
organized

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identity

50:34.680 --> 50:35.580
theft where

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technology is

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used to

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harvest data

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or produce

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counterfeit

50:39.080 --> 50:39.500
documents.

50:40.420 --> 50:40.720
Okay,

50:40.820 --> 50:41.320
I can see

50:41.320 --> 50:41.980
where producing

50:41.980 --> 50:42.380
counterfeit

50:42.380 --> 50:43.140
documents would

50:43.140 --> 50:44.400
be bad.

50:44.580 --> 50:45.000
Identity

50:45.000 --> 50:45.560
theft, I can

50:45.560 --> 50:46.160
understand that

50:46.160 --> 50:46.380
too.

50:46.880 --> 50:47.080
I mean,

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that would

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fall under

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the Secret

50:49.120 --> 50:49.460
Service

50:49.460 --> 50:50.120
Jurisdiction,

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especially if

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it involved

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money.

50:54.820 --> 50:55.180
They got

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white-collar

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crime, such

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as internet

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automated

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teller machines,

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credit card

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debt, just

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white-collar

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crime.

51:03.080 --> 51:03.860
Okay, that's

51:03.860 --> 51:04.620
fine.

51:04.760 --> 51:06.400
I mean, I

51:06.400 --> 51:06.780
don't have a

51:06.780 --> 51:07.140
problem with

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stopping people

51:07.660 --> 51:08.400
that rip off

51:08.400 --> 51:09.160
automated teller

51:09.160 --> 51:09.600
machines.

51:10.540 --> 51:11.160
I mean, there's

51:11.160 --> 51:11.760
multiple ways to

51:11.760 --> 51:11.980
do that.

51:12.040 --> 51:12.340
We're not going

51:12.340 --> 51:12.600
to go into

51:12.600 --> 51:12.820
that.

51:13.240 --> 51:13.600
Debted

51:13.600 --> 51:14.340
telecommunication

51:14.340 --> 51:17.040
services, I

51:17.040 --> 51:17.600
can understand

51:17.600 --> 51:18.020
that.

51:18.180 --> 51:18.620
I mean, they

51:18.620 --> 51:18.980
have a right

51:18.980 --> 51:19.380
to money.

51:19.620 --> 51:19.960
I mean, they're

51:19.960 --> 51:20.340
just trying to

51:20.340 --> 51:20.680
make money

51:20.680 --> 51:20.940
here.

51:21.900 --> 51:22.300
Debt of

51:22.300 --> 51:22.940
trademark and

51:22.940 --> 51:23.460
copyrighted

51:23.460 --> 51:24.140
material or

51:24.140 --> 51:24.940
other intellectual

51:24.940 --> 51:26.160
property through

51:26.160 --> 51:27.560
computer, digital,

51:27.980 --> 51:28.780
network intrusions,

51:28.940 --> 51:30.220
or other, I

51:30.220 --> 51:30.620
get this,

51:30.860 --> 51:31.740
sophisticated

51:31.740 --> 51:32.880
means.

51:33.600 --> 51:34.120
See, this

51:34.120 --> 51:34.660
could be solved

51:34.660 --> 51:35.220
if we just had

51:35.220 --> 51:35.980
more DRM.

51:38.360 --> 51:38.800
Commercial

51:38.800 --> 51:39.740
software piracy.

51:40.940 --> 51:41.520
I can

51:41.520 --> 51:42.060
understand that

51:42.060 --> 51:42.220
too.

51:42.360 --> 51:42.880
Some people,

51:43.940 --> 51:44.360
a lot of

51:44.360 --> 51:45.140
people, put

51:45.140 --> 51:45.980
hard work into

51:45.980 --> 51:46.680
their programs.

51:46.940 --> 51:47.300
Entire

51:47.300 --> 51:47.820
companies are

51:47.820 --> 51:48.260
formed around

51:48.260 --> 51:48.460
it.

51:48.740 --> 51:49.000
Right.

51:50.220 --> 51:50.720
I mean, I

51:50.720 --> 51:51.060
can fully

51:51.060 --> 51:51.660
understand that

51:51.660 --> 51:51.840
one.

51:52.100 --> 51:53.080
High-tech cargo

51:53.080 --> 51:53.560
theft.

51:54.780 --> 51:55.400
Okay, so

51:55.400 --> 51:56.660
this one, theft

51:56.660 --> 51:57.300
and resale of

51:57.300 --> 51:58.040
computer components

51:58.040 --> 51:58.580
and other high

51:58.580 --> 51:59.480
technology products

51:59.480 --> 52:00.200
produced by the

52:00.200 --> 52:01.460
high technology

52:01.460 --> 52:01.900
industry.

52:02.360 --> 52:02.980
Does that mean

52:02.980 --> 52:03.460
that if you

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sell...

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Isn't that

52:04.720 --> 52:05.360
already illegal?

52:07.260 --> 52:07.820
Isn't that

52:07.820 --> 52:08.400
just like stealing

52:08.400 --> 52:08.920
stuff and then

52:08.920 --> 52:09.280
selling it?

52:09.300 --> 52:09.700
That's called

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stealing stuff.

52:10.720 --> 52:11.740
No, this is

52:11.740 --> 52:13.120
theft and resale

52:13.120 --> 52:13.880
of computer...

52:13.880 --> 52:15.160
Okay, that's

52:15.160 --> 52:15.880
just theft.

52:16.860 --> 52:17.340
So if I

52:17.340 --> 52:17.960
sell something

52:17.960 --> 52:18.540
that means

52:18.540 --> 52:19.200
I'm hacking?

52:20.040 --> 52:20.340
Yes.

52:20.980 --> 52:21.500
Yeah, I'm

52:21.500 --> 52:22.040
such an uber

52:22.040 --> 52:22.540
hacker, I

52:22.540 --> 52:22.840
broke through

52:22.840 --> 52:23.320
a window and

52:23.320 --> 52:23.620
stole a

52:23.620 --> 52:23.980
computer.

52:26.760 --> 52:27.160
Fear!

52:27.660 --> 52:28.240
I hacked

52:28.240 --> 52:28.620
the candy

52:28.620 --> 52:28.980
bar out

52:28.980 --> 52:29.140
of the

52:29.140 --> 52:29.460
store.

52:31.760 --> 52:32.480
Yeah, and

52:32.480 --> 52:32.860
it's only

52:32.860 --> 52:33.420
hacking because

52:33.420 --> 52:33.780
the candy

52:33.780 --> 52:34.160
bar has

52:34.160 --> 52:35.020
an RFID

52:35.020 --> 52:35.440
in it.

52:36.380 --> 52:36.620
I'm going

52:36.620 --> 52:36.880
to skip

52:36.880 --> 52:37.180
a couple.

52:37.320 --> 52:37.580
Crimes

52:37.580 --> 52:38.020
involving

52:38.020 --> 52:39.040
pornography,

52:39.500 --> 52:39.880
especially

52:39.880 --> 52:40.560
images of

52:40.560 --> 52:41.200
children involved

52:41.200 --> 52:41.680
in sexual

52:41.680 --> 52:42.140
activity.

52:42.700 --> 52:43.020
Okay,

52:43.080 --> 52:43.200
without

52:43.200 --> 52:45.820
stopping

52:45.820 --> 52:46.120
that.

52:46.580 --> 52:46.920
I don't

52:46.920 --> 52:47.460
think a

52:47.460 --> 52:48.240
kid knows

52:48.240 --> 52:48.620
what they're

52:48.620 --> 52:49.100
doing there.

52:50.280 --> 52:50.580
Do they,

52:50.680 --> 52:50.800
Zal?

52:51.440 --> 52:51.840
Yeah,

52:51.900 --> 52:52.360
Zal, how's

52:52.360 --> 52:52.680
your porno

52:52.680 --> 52:53.000
going?

52:53.720 --> 52:54.140
You're the

52:54.140 --> 52:54.540
one making

52:54.540 --> 52:55.160
movies like

52:55.160 --> 52:55.720
Windows Movie

52:55.720 --> 52:56.120
Maker on

52:56.120 --> 52:56.540
your touchscreen

52:56.540 --> 52:57.040
computer.

52:58.480 --> 52:59.200
I like

52:59.200 --> 52:59.560
to touch

52:59.560 --> 52:59.840
things.

52:59.900 --> 53:00.120
Touch

53:00.120 --> 53:00.520
screen,

53:00.620 --> 53:00.880
doesn't

53:00.880 --> 53:01.240
have to

53:01.240 --> 53:01.380
use

53:01.380 --> 53:01.940
his hands.

53:03.440 --> 53:04.140
I can

53:04.140 --> 53:04.960
fully

53:04.960 --> 53:05.340
understand

53:05.340 --> 53:05.640
that.

53:05.860 --> 53:06.040
And you

53:06.040 --> 53:06.340
know what?

53:06.680 --> 53:07.260
If anybody

53:07.260 --> 53:07.760
is listening

53:07.760 --> 53:08.700
from the

53:08.700 --> 53:09.480
NCFI,

53:09.980 --> 53:10.880
if you want

53:10.880 --> 53:11.280
me to come

53:11.280 --> 53:11.560
help,

53:12.020 --> 53:12.380
I would

53:12.380 --> 53:12.700
be more

53:12.700 --> 53:13.060
than happy

53:13.060 --> 53:13.360
to help,

53:13.660 --> 53:14.080
even if

53:14.080 --> 53:14.400
you're just

53:14.400 --> 53:14.980
doing that.

53:16.880 --> 53:17.360
I mean,

53:17.420 --> 53:17.660
most of

53:17.660 --> 53:17.920
these other

53:17.920 --> 53:18.300
things I

53:18.300 --> 53:18.800
wouldn't do,

53:19.040 --> 53:19.400
I wouldn't

53:19.400 --> 53:19.660
come and

53:19.660 --> 53:19.940
help you

53:19.940 --> 53:20.320
just for

53:20.320 --> 53:20.560
that.

53:20.900 --> 53:21.780
But just

53:21.780 --> 53:22.200
for the

53:22.200 --> 53:23.660
underage

53:23.660 --> 53:24.040
pornography,

53:24.220 --> 53:24.520
I would

53:24.520 --> 53:24.800
come and

53:24.800 --> 53:25.060
help you

53:25.060 --> 53:25.460
for that.

53:26.840 --> 53:27.960
Not that I

53:27.960 --> 53:28.440
would actually

53:28.440 --> 53:28.980
look at it

53:28.980 --> 53:29.360
or anything.

53:29.820 --> 53:29.840
I'm just...

53:29.840 --> 53:33.100
I want to

53:33.100 --> 53:34.420
stop it.

53:34.800 --> 53:35.200
I want to

53:35.200 --> 53:35.380
come,

53:35.460 --> 53:35.680
I want to

53:35.680 --> 53:36.000
investigate,

53:36.200 --> 53:36.420
I want to

53:36.420 --> 53:36.720
burn into

53:36.720 --> 53:37.040
a CD,

53:37.520 --> 53:37.860
I want to

53:37.860 --> 53:38.180
solve this

53:38.180 --> 53:38.500
problem.

53:38.500 --> 53:41.700
I'm going

53:41.700 --> 53:41.980
to skip

53:41.980 --> 53:42.420
the rest

53:42.420 --> 53:43.780
because I

53:43.780 --> 53:44.260
want to

53:44.260 --> 53:44.560
skip the

53:44.560 --> 53:44.920
rest there.

53:46.700 --> 53:47.160
And you

53:47.160 --> 53:47.240
know,

53:47.280 --> 53:47.520
I'm just

53:47.520 --> 53:47.800
wondering

53:47.800 --> 53:50.640
what the

53:50.640 --> 53:51.780
Joe Six

53:51.780 --> 53:52.140
back down

53:52.140 --> 53:52.500
the street

53:52.500 --> 53:53.220
is thinking

53:53.220 --> 53:54.540
about all

53:54.540 --> 53:54.840
of this,

53:54.920 --> 53:55.380
if he read

53:55.380 --> 53:55.640
this.

53:55.740 --> 53:56.660
He's thinking...

53:56.660 --> 53:57.100
I think he

53:57.100 --> 53:57.420
would skip

53:57.420 --> 53:57.860
over and go

53:57.860 --> 53:58.260
to the article

53:58.260 --> 53:58.920
about Paris Hilton.

53:59.880 --> 54:00.200
Yeah,

54:00.340 --> 54:00.580
I mean,

54:00.620 --> 54:00.920
probably,

54:01.100 --> 54:01.720
except that's

54:01.720 --> 54:02.040
not on the

54:02.040 --> 54:02.220
Hoover,

54:02.300 --> 54:02.500
Alabama

54:02.500 --> 54:02.880
webpage.

54:04.300 --> 54:04.780
I mean,

54:04.800 --> 54:05.240
I guess if he

54:05.240 --> 54:05.520
was on

54:05.520 --> 54:06.200
Slashdot or

54:06.200 --> 54:06.500
something.

54:06.500 --> 54:08.900
But we

54:08.900 --> 54:09.440
digress.

54:10.500 --> 54:10.740
I'm

54:10.740 --> 54:11.020
wondering,

54:11.940 --> 54:12.420
is this a

54:12.420 --> 54:12.860
false sense

54:12.860 --> 54:13.420
of security?

54:13.540 --> 54:13.800
Are these

54:13.800 --> 54:14.200
guys going

54:14.200 --> 54:14.680
to do a

54:14.680 --> 54:15.000
good job

54:15.000 --> 54:15.360
at this?

54:15.860 --> 54:16.500
It all

54:16.500 --> 54:17.180
depends on

54:17.180 --> 54:18.920
what they

54:18.920 --> 54:19.420
teach them,

54:19.940 --> 54:21.100
what perspective

54:21.100 --> 54:21.680
they come at

54:21.680 --> 54:22.040
to teach

54:22.040 --> 54:22.300
to these

54:22.300 --> 54:22.860
students that

54:22.860 --> 54:23.260
come in.

54:23.960 --> 54:24.300
Where are

54:24.300 --> 54:24.540
they going

54:24.540 --> 54:24.760
to get

54:24.760 --> 54:25.600
the teachers?

54:29.720 --> 54:30.160
Well,

54:30.400 --> 54:31.160
it's going

54:31.160 --> 54:31.440
to start

54:31.440 --> 54:32.060
off by being

54:32.060 --> 54:32.980
staffed with,

54:33.160 --> 54:33.720
I think it

54:33.720 --> 54:34.980
should be

54:34.980 --> 54:35.280
down here

54:35.280 --> 54:35.500
at the

54:35.500 --> 54:35.780
bottom.

54:36.500 --> 54:37.740
Staffed

54:37.740 --> 54:38.620
with,

54:38.620 --> 54:40.540
like,

54:40.760 --> 54:40.960
six

54:40.960 --> 54:41.520
Secret Service

54:41.520 --> 54:41.880
Agents.

54:41.960 --> 54:42.300
I'm not

54:42.300 --> 54:43.060
seeing it.

54:44.220 --> 54:44.900
I don't

54:44.900 --> 54:45.280
think it

54:45.280 --> 54:45.980
actually says.

54:46.620 --> 54:47.300
I'm just

54:47.300 --> 54:47.660
going to go

54:47.660 --> 54:48.340
with six

54:48.340 --> 54:48.860
Secret Service

54:48.860 --> 54:49.280
Agents.

54:50.520 --> 54:50.760
Okay.

54:51.020 --> 54:51.660
And that's

54:51.660 --> 54:52.280
the Secret

54:52.280 --> 54:52.780
Services.

54:53.200 --> 54:53.700
That's what

54:53.700 --> 54:54.020
the Secret

54:54.020 --> 54:54.380
Services

54:54.380 --> 54:54.940
is providing.

54:56.140 --> 54:56.680
It might

54:56.680 --> 54:57.120
be more,

54:57.300 --> 54:57.580
it might

54:57.580 --> 54:58.020
be less.

54:58.220 --> 54:58.460
I don't.

54:58.800 --> 54:58.960
Now,

54:59.000 --> 54:59.240
I know

54:59.240 --> 54:59.540
it's not

54:59.540 --> 54:59.900
less than

54:59.900 --> 55:00.140
thick.

55:01.120 --> 55:01.540
They might

55:01.540 --> 55:01.900
have actually

55:01.900 --> 55:02.320
changed the

55:02.320 --> 55:02.820
article here

55:02.820 --> 55:03.080
from the

55:03.080 --> 55:03.380
first time

55:03.380 --> 55:03.900
I read it

55:03.900 --> 55:05.080
because I'm

55:05.080 --> 55:05.500
not seeing

55:05.500 --> 55:05.680
it.

55:06.000 --> 55:07.060
But, I

55:07.060 --> 55:08.000
mean, hey,

55:08.760 --> 55:09.320
they have the

55:09.320 --> 55:09.880
experts on

55:09.880 --> 55:10.060
here.

55:11.020 --> 55:11.720
Well, supposed

55:11.720 --> 55:12.580
experts, because

55:12.580 --> 55:13.080
there's no

55:13.080 --> 55:14.980
standard for

55:14.980 --> 55:15.460
certification.

55:15.900 --> 55:16.220
So, I mean,

55:16.260 --> 55:16.620
they could be

55:16.620 --> 55:17.180
calling themselves

55:17.180 --> 55:17.820
experts and not

55:17.820 --> 55:18.120
really be

55:18.120 --> 55:18.500
experts.

55:19.300 --> 55:19.980
I'm wondering

55:19.980 --> 55:22.060
how might this

55:22.060 --> 55:23.660
affect us

55:23.660 --> 55:24.460
as hackers?

55:26.280 --> 55:26.940
If they do

55:26.940 --> 55:27.620
teach it from

55:27.620 --> 55:28.280
a standard of,

55:28.460 --> 55:28.880
hey, hackers

55:28.880 --> 55:29.700
are bad, which

55:29.700 --> 55:30.700
I really don't

55:30.700 --> 55:31.360
think they are

55:31.360 --> 55:32.420
because of the

55:32.420 --> 55:32.980
way Homeland

55:32.980 --> 55:33.660
Security has

55:33.660 --> 55:34.080
put out this

55:34.080 --> 55:34.600
press release.

55:35.000 --> 55:35.440
I really don't

55:35.440 --> 55:36.020
think they are.

55:36.380 --> 55:36.760
And I think

55:36.760 --> 55:37.040
we're going to

55:37.040 --> 55:37.520
be fine.

55:38.260 --> 55:38.620
But, I mean,

55:38.880 --> 55:39.300
what do you

55:39.300 --> 55:39.700
guys think?

55:40.340 --> 55:40.800
I mean, how

55:40.800 --> 55:41.080
do you think

55:41.080 --> 55:41.700
this will affect

55:41.700 --> 55:42.280
us if they

55:42.280 --> 55:44.780
go, if law

55:44.780 --> 55:45.420
enforcement actually

55:45.420 --> 55:45.780
knows what

55:45.780 --> 55:46.120
they're doing?

55:47.080 --> 55:47.680
I think it

55:47.680 --> 55:48.360
could help.

55:48.500 --> 55:49.020
If they

55:49.020 --> 55:50.180
execute it

55:50.180 --> 55:51.080
right, not

55:51.080 --> 55:52.800
I'm also

55:52.800 --> 55:53.260
wondering what

55:53.260 --> 55:53.960
the probability

55:53.960 --> 55:54.780
of this working

55:54.780 --> 55:55.540
at all is.

55:55.780 --> 55:56.060
I mean,

55:56.560 --> 55:57.980
something like

55:57.980 --> 55:58.500
this has never

55:58.500 --> 55:59.200
been done before.

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If they get it

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wrong, then

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they could screw

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up 1,500

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people every

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54 weeks,

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I think it

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was.

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It's a 54-week

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class.

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48 calendar

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weeks, so

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they can screw

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up 1,500

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mines every

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48 weeks.

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That's pretty

56:17.480 --> 56:17.820
efficient.

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It's not

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bad.

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I can only

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average about

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4 or 5.

56:23.120 --> 56:23.680
Yeah, I mean,

56:23.720 --> 56:24.020
I've never

56:24.020 --> 56:24.540
screwed up more

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than 6 mines.

56:26.060 --> 56:26.720
In a week?

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Total.

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I mean,

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total, wow.

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But, I mean,

56:31.200 --> 56:33.340
I'd give them a

56:33.340 --> 56:34.260
50-50 chance.

56:34.980 --> 56:35.280
What do you

56:35.280 --> 56:35.600
guys think?

56:35.900 --> 56:36.300
I'm going to

56:36.300 --> 56:37.000
reserve judgment.

56:37.780 --> 56:38.400
Reserve judgment?

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Okay.

56:38.880 --> 56:40.700
I'll give

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us the same

56:41.160 --> 56:41.740
zero judgment.

56:42.280 --> 56:42.840
I'll have to

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see how it

56:43.200 --> 56:43.700
turns out.

56:44.660 --> 56:44.860
Okay.

56:45.600 --> 56:46.180
Well, the

56:46.180 --> 56:46.500
other thing

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I'm thinking

56:46.840 --> 56:48.240
is how we

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might be

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able to

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help.

56:49.160 --> 56:49.300
You know,

56:49.340 --> 56:49.660
maybe they

56:49.660 --> 56:50.320
need informants

56:50.320 --> 56:50.900
out here for

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stopping child

56:52.200 --> 56:52.700
pornography.

56:53.140 --> 56:53.360
I mean,

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if they want

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to help,

56:56.280 --> 56:56.740
they can

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contact me

56:57.680 --> 56:58.080
and I will

56:58.080 --> 56:58.440
help them.

56:59.500 --> 57:00.040
I'm sure

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they can get

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my number,

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no problem.

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Faceman will

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give you all

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the child

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pornographers

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he knows

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about.

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Hundreds.

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Which is

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none.

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Full contacts,

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pictures.

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Actually,

57:09.080 --> 57:09.400
I take that

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back because

57:09.780 --> 57:10.340
I saw one

57:10.340 --> 57:10.760
on MySpace

57:10.760 --> 57:11.120
today.

57:13.240 --> 57:13.880
But I

57:13.880 --> 57:14.400
digress.

57:15.120 --> 57:15.820
Just one?

57:17.200 --> 57:17.860
I don't

57:17.860 --> 57:18.380
like to look

57:18.380 --> 57:19.100
at my space.

57:19.480 --> 57:19.900
I don't like

57:19.900 --> 57:20.140
to be on

57:20.140 --> 57:20.560
MySpace,

57:20.700 --> 57:20.900
so.

57:21.680 --> 57:21.900
Oh,

57:21.920 --> 57:22.120
it's my

57:22.120 --> 57:22.500
homepage.

57:23.380 --> 57:23.700
Oh,

57:23.880 --> 57:24.200
damn.

57:27.040 --> 57:27.480
Alright,

57:27.660 --> 57:27.880
so,

57:29.240 --> 57:31.080
when I call

57:31.080 --> 57:31.460
these guys,

57:31.540 --> 57:31.720
I'm going

57:31.720 --> 57:32.100
to ask

57:32.100 --> 57:32.540
how we

57:32.540 --> 57:32.780
might be

57:32.780 --> 57:32.960
able to

57:32.960 --> 57:33.180
help,

57:33.580 --> 57:34.840
so maybe

57:34.840 --> 57:35.200
you might

57:35.200 --> 57:35.540
hear an

57:35.540 --> 57:35.780
answer

57:35.780 --> 57:36.260
appended to

57:36.260 --> 57:36.540
the end

57:36.540 --> 57:36.920
of this

57:36.920 --> 57:38.220
episode.

57:38.400 --> 57:38.620
You might

57:38.620 --> 57:38.860
not.

57:39.060 --> 57:39.420
And I

57:39.420 --> 57:39.940
would also

57:39.940 --> 57:40.440
help.

57:41.360 --> 57:41.800
Yeah.

57:42.400 --> 57:43.120
By making

57:43.120 --> 57:43.840
signatures for

57:43.840 --> 57:44.180
everyone.

57:46.020 --> 57:46.640
I'm sure

57:46.640 --> 57:47.100
that there's

57:47.100 --> 57:47.500
a lot of

57:47.500 --> 57:48.020
people in

57:48.020 --> 57:50.320
BinRev and

57:50.320 --> 57:51.120
different places

57:51.120 --> 57:51.520
that would

57:51.520 --> 57:52.400
help because

57:52.400 --> 57:53.460
they could

57:53.460 --> 57:54.000
ask Enigma,

57:54.140 --> 57:54.440
he'd get

57:54.440 --> 57:55.080
right on it

57:55.080 --> 57:55.440
and solve

57:55.440 --> 57:55.740
all your

57:55.740 --> 57:56.140
problems.

57:57.400 --> 57:57.840
Yes.

57:58.860 --> 57:59.260
Enigma

57:59.260 --> 57:59.800
will take

57:59.800 --> 58:00.180
care of

58:00.180 --> 58:00.360
you.

58:01.440 --> 58:01.840
I

58:01.840 --> 58:02.080
heard

58:02.080 --> 58:02.440
Enigma.

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This show

58:04.340 --> 58:04.680
is brought

58:04.680 --> 58:05.100
to you by

58:05.100 --> 58:06.060
Google Documents.

58:07.220 --> 58:07.680
Watch out,

58:07.740 --> 58:07.880
okay.

58:09.260 --> 58:09.700
Yeah,

58:09.860 --> 58:10.560
Google Documents,

58:10.660 --> 58:11.100
we use that

58:11.100 --> 58:11.520
for our show

58:11.520 --> 58:11.960
notes here,

58:12.360 --> 58:12.740
and it seems

58:12.740 --> 58:13.000
to work

58:13.000 --> 58:13.400
pretty well.

58:14.860 --> 58:15.280
You skipped

58:15.280 --> 58:15.700
over the

58:15.700 --> 58:16.100
announcements.

58:17.380 --> 58:17.720
Yes,

58:17.920 --> 58:18.320
I have an

58:18.320 --> 58:18.940
announcement to

58:18.940 --> 58:19.140
make.

58:19.340 --> 58:20.020
Kevin Rose

58:20.020 --> 58:20.840
is in fact

58:20.840 --> 58:21.500
awesome.

58:26.300 --> 58:26.740
Okay.

58:26.920 --> 58:27.240
He's so

58:27.240 --> 58:27.460
weird.

58:28.360 --> 58:28.700
Well,

58:28.980 --> 58:29.300
shouts.

58:29.300 --> 58:31.580
I've got

58:31.580 --> 58:31.840
to give

58:31.840 --> 58:33.080
shouts to

58:33.080 --> 58:34.320
Strom and

58:34.320 --> 58:34.800
Barbecue.

58:36.940 --> 58:37.460
I'm going

58:37.460 --> 58:37.860
to go ahead

58:37.860 --> 58:38.180
and since

58:38.180 --> 58:38.500
we spent

58:38.500 --> 58:39.160
most of

58:39.160 --> 58:39.320
the time

58:39.320 --> 58:39.820
talking about

58:39.820 --> 58:40.080
computer

58:40.080 --> 58:40.460
security,

58:40.600 --> 58:40.820
computer

58:40.820 --> 58:41.140
crime,

58:41.240 --> 58:41.320
and

58:41.320 --> 58:41.580
computer

58:41.580 --> 58:42.120
forensics,

58:42.300 --> 58:42.900
there's a

58:42.900 --> 58:43.740
podcast,

58:44.020 --> 58:44.480
and I hate

58:44.480 --> 58:44.800
that word,

58:44.860 --> 58:45.100
but that's

58:45.100 --> 58:45.300
what they

58:45.300 --> 58:45.540
use,

58:45.960 --> 58:46.280
called

58:46.280 --> 58:46.980
CyberSpeak

58:46.980 --> 58:48.100
that goes

58:48.100 --> 58:48.660
into detail

58:48.660 --> 58:49.100
about

58:49.100 --> 58:49.600
computer

58:49.600 --> 58:50.000
forensics,

58:50.160 --> 58:50.380
computer

58:50.380 --> 58:50.620
crime,

58:50.660 --> 58:50.920
and computer

58:50.920 --> 58:51.240
security.

58:51.240 --> 58:52.140
So I'd

58:52.140 --> 58:52.600
recommend that

58:52.600 --> 58:52.920
to anyone

58:52.920 --> 58:53.320
who is

58:53.320 --> 58:54.160
interested in

58:54.160 --> 58:54.620
learning more

58:54.620 --> 58:55.140
learning about

58:55.140 --> 58:55.540
the process

58:55.540 --> 58:55.940
is done,

58:56.440 --> 58:56.780
those kind

58:56.780 --> 58:57.120
of things.

58:58.280 --> 58:58.680
Okay.

58:58.960 --> 59:00.560
Do you have

59:00.560 --> 59:01.140
a link or

59:01.140 --> 59:01.380
anything?

59:02.100 --> 59:02.800
You can find

59:02.800 --> 59:03.060
them on

59:03.060 --> 59:03.300
Google.

59:03.480 --> 59:03.860
Just type

59:03.860 --> 59:04.480
in CyberSpeaker.

59:04.580 --> 59:04.800
I think

59:04.800 --> 59:05.140
they're in

59:05.140 --> 59:05.780
the iTunes

59:05.780 --> 59:06.800
store thing,

59:07.480 --> 59:07.900
and they

59:07.900 --> 59:08.100
have an

59:08.100 --> 59:08.580
RSS feed,

59:08.640 --> 59:08.900
so you can

59:08.900 --> 59:09.340
use any

59:09.340 --> 59:10.120
client you

59:10.120 --> 59:10.520
want besides

59:10.520 --> 59:10.960
iTunes,

59:11.620 --> 59:11.980
as with

59:11.980 --> 59:12.920
most RSS

59:12.920 --> 59:13.340
feed shows.

59:15.720 --> 59:16.120
Okay.

59:16.120 --> 59:18.000
Well,

59:18.180 --> 59:18.740
my shouts

59:18.740 --> 59:19.080
go out

59:19.080 --> 59:20.500
to Royal

59:20.500 --> 59:21.280
Enigma

59:21.280 --> 59:22.320
and Not

59:22.320 --> 59:22.520
Theory.

59:23.100 --> 59:23.280
Oh,

59:23.340 --> 59:23.800
definitely Not

59:23.800 --> 59:23.920
Theory.

59:24.000 --> 59:24.180
In fact,

59:24.260 --> 59:24.580
we're on

59:24.580 --> 59:25.760
his PBS

59:25.760 --> 59:25.780
channel.

59:25.780 --> 59:26.060
I get

59:26.060 --> 59:26.240
shouts

59:26.240 --> 59:26.540
to Not

59:26.540 --> 59:26.780
Theory,

59:27.020 --> 59:27.360
yes.

59:27.460 --> 59:27.620
Yeah,

59:27.680 --> 59:27.940
Not Theory.

59:28.220 --> 59:28.400
Yeah.

59:29.000 --> 59:29.680
So shouts

59:29.680 --> 59:30.220
to Royal

59:30.220 --> 59:30.500
Enigma

59:30.500 --> 59:30.920
and Not

59:30.920 --> 59:31.120
Theory,

59:31.480 --> 59:31.780
and I

59:31.780 --> 59:32.000
want to

59:32.000 --> 59:32.400
give shouts

59:32.400 --> 59:32.780
to the

59:32.780 --> 59:33.220
country of

59:33.220 --> 59:33.520
Israel,

59:33.920 --> 59:34.340
and I

59:34.340 --> 59:34.620
want to

59:34.620 --> 59:34.940
express

59:34.940 --> 59:35.580
my desire

59:35.580 --> 59:36.400
that if

59:36.400 --> 59:36.700
anybody

59:36.700 --> 59:36.960
from

59:36.960 --> 59:37.400
Israel,

59:37.700 --> 59:38.020
mainly

59:38.020 --> 59:38.660
the Mossad

59:38.660 --> 59:39.620
or anybody,

59:40.040 --> 59:40.620
wants me

59:40.620 --> 59:41.040
to work

59:41.040 --> 59:41.380
for them,

59:41.460 --> 59:41.760
help them

59:41.760 --> 59:42.000
out or

59:42.000 --> 59:42.460
anything like

59:42.460 --> 59:42.700
that,

59:42.780 --> 59:43.040
I'm your

59:43.040 --> 59:43.360
man.

59:44.000 --> 59:44.280
It kind

59:46.120 --> 59:47.240
but mainly

59:47.240 --> 59:47.740
I'll work

59:47.740 --> 59:48.480
for Israel

59:48.480 --> 59:49.040
and the

59:49.040 --> 59:49.480
NCFI

59:49.480 --> 59:50.460
this week.

59:51.360 --> 59:51.800
Our side

59:51.800 --> 59:51.960
of the

59:51.960 --> 59:52.900
week is

59:52.900 --> 59:53.720
google.com

59:53.720 --> 59:56.440
because I

59:56.440 --> 59:56.740
didn't come

59:56.740 --> 59:57.000
up with

59:57.000 --> 59:57.240
one,

59:57.440 --> 59:57.780
so our

59:57.780 --> 59:58.000
side of

59:58.000 --> 59:58.180
the week

59:58.180 --> 59:59.060
is google.com.

01:00:00.540 --> 01:00:01.340
Any feedback

01:00:01.340 --> 01:00:02.060
for the

01:00:02.060 --> 01:00:02.340
show,

01:00:02.540 --> 01:00:03.100
this episode

01:00:03.100 --> 01:00:03.480
or any

01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:04.200
other shows,

01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:05.320
if you

01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:05.520
want to

01:00:05.520 --> 01:00:05.860
call us

01:00:05.860 --> 01:00:06.540
noobs

01:00:06.540 --> 01:00:08.040
or yell

01:00:08.040 --> 01:00:08.260
at me

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:08.620
for turning

01:00:08.620 --> 01:00:08.880
the whole

01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:09.300
show into

01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:09.780
a rant

01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:10.300
episode,

01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:11.160
you can

01:00:11.160 --> 01:00:11.660
email us

01:00:11.660 --> 01:00:11.940
at

01:00:11.940 --> 01:00:12.360
radio

01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:12.680
at

01:00:12.680 --> 01:00:13.760
binrev.com

01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:15.800
and

01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:17.720
we don't

01:00:17.720 --> 01:00:18.100
have any

01:00:18.100 --> 01:00:18.600
complaints,

01:00:18.720 --> 01:00:18.900
you can

01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:19.200
email your

01:00:19.200 --> 01:00:19.500
complaints

01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:19.680
to

01:00:19.680 --> 01:00:20.100
enigma

01:00:20.100 --> 01:00:23.960
for making

01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:24.220
us do

01:00:24.220 --> 01:00:24.620
the spur

01:00:24.620 --> 01:00:24.800
of the

01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:24.980
moment

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:25.440
show.

01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:26.980
And if

01:00:26.980 --> 01:00:27.200
you want

01:00:27.200 --> 01:00:27.480
to yell

01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:28.520
at anybody

01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:29.700
just yell

01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:30.300
at Savant.

01:00:31.120 --> 01:00:31.520
Why do you

01:00:31.520 --> 01:00:32.020
not like

01:00:32.020 --> 01:00:32.400
Savant?

01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:33.700
I like

01:00:33.700 --> 01:00:33.960
Savant.

01:00:34.100 --> 01:00:34.320
I like

01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:34.720
Savant.

01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:36.160
I'll give

01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:36.400
a shout

01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:37.000
to Savant.

01:00:37.540 --> 01:00:37.780
Yeah,

01:00:37.820 --> 01:00:37.940
shout

01:00:37.940 --> 01:00:38.400
to Savant.

01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:39.240
Alright.

01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:40.680
So,

01:00:41.100 --> 01:00:41.700
any feedback

01:00:41.700 --> 01:00:42.260
whatsoever,

01:00:43.020 --> 01:00:43.540
if you want

01:00:43.540 --> 01:00:43.840
to say the

01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:44.080
show was

01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:44.400
awesome,

01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:44.940
if you want

01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:45.300
to say it

01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:45.780
sucked,

01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:46.240
if you want

01:00:46.240 --> 01:00:46.500
to say,

01:00:46.600 --> 01:00:46.740
hey,

01:00:46.820 --> 01:00:47.120
don't ever

01:00:47.120 --> 01:00:47.520
let these

01:00:47.520 --> 01:00:47.920
guys on

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:48.400
BinRev Radio

01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:48.860
again,

01:00:49.500 --> 01:00:50.760
or anything,

01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:51.360
send it to

01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:51.740
radio at

01:00:51.740 --> 01:00:52.600
binrev.com.

01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:53.880
We do not

01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:54.200
have any

01:00:54.200 --> 01:00:54.780
closing music

01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:55.140
yet,

01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:56.080
but I

01:00:56.080 --> 01:00:56.380
will tell

01:00:56.380 --> 01:00:56.640
you what,

01:00:56.680 --> 01:00:56.980
it will be

01:00:56.980 --> 01:00:57.300
the best

01:00:57.300 --> 01:00:57.960
closing music

01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:58.420
you've ever

01:00:58.420 --> 01:00:58.700
heard.

01:00:59.480 --> 01:00:59.860
What do you

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:00.080
want me to

01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:00.360
put in?

01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:01.220
I don't

01:01:01.220 --> 01:01:01.320
know,

01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:01.600
we'll call

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:01.980
him something.

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:03.680
That clip

01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:04.640
of me reading

01:01:04.640 --> 01:01:05.220
Kevin Ridd's

01:01:05.220 --> 01:01:06.600
Wikipedia article.

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.360
And once

01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:08.620
again,

01:01:08.680 --> 01:01:09.000
we'll see

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:09.480
everybody

01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:10.420
same hack

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:10.760
time,

01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:11.420
same hack

01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:11.740
channel.

01:01:13.140 --> 01:01:13.540
Okay,

01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:13.960
well that

01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:14.480
concludes the

01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:14.660
show,

01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:15.120
but Face

01:01:15.120 --> 01:01:15.560
Man did

01:01:15.560 --> 01:01:15.960
in fact,

01:01:16.020 --> 01:01:16.440
it did that

01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:16.780
interview,

01:01:17.140 --> 01:01:17.400
so we're

01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:17.660
going to go

01:01:17.660 --> 01:01:17.900
ahead and

01:01:17.900 --> 01:01:18.260
play that

01:01:18.260 --> 01:01:18.600
now.

01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:19.800
How are

01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:20.180
you involved

01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:20.420
in this

01:01:20.420 --> 01:01:20.700
project?

01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:22.980
I work

01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:23.580
for the

01:01:23.580 --> 01:01:24.100
Alabama

01:01:24.100 --> 01:01:24.640
District

01:01:24.640 --> 01:01:25.060
Attorneys

01:01:25.060 --> 01:01:25.780
Association,

01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:27.500
and I've

01:01:27.500 --> 01:01:27.840
been a

01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.100
career prosecutor

01:01:29.100 --> 01:01:30.620
for some

01:01:30.620 --> 01:01:31.320
16 years,

01:01:31.720 --> 01:01:32.860
and we,

01:01:33.300 --> 01:01:34.340
a couple of

01:01:34.340 --> 01:01:35.000
folks here at

01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:35.300
the office,

01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:35.940
developed this

01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:36.520
concept,

01:01:37.140 --> 01:01:37.900
and was

01:01:37.900 --> 01:01:38.480
promoted it

01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:39.640
through partnerships

01:01:39.640 --> 01:01:40.140
on the

01:01:40.140 --> 01:01:40.580
federal and

01:01:40.580 --> 01:01:41.020
state level.

01:01:41.380 --> 01:01:41.720
How do

01:01:41.720 --> 01:01:42.120
you apply

01:01:42.120 --> 01:01:42.480
for the

01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:43.040
school as

01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:43.440
a student,

01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:44.520
or how

01:01:44.520 --> 01:01:44.720
are you

01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:45.120
selected?

01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:46.080
Well,

01:01:46.460 --> 01:01:47.840
it depends

01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:48.260
on from

01:01:48.260 --> 01:01:48.780
what area

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:49.320
you would

01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:50.160
be wanting

01:01:50.160 --> 01:01:50.880
to attend

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:51.200
from,

01:01:51.260 --> 01:01:51.580
I guess.

01:01:52.100 --> 01:01:52.260
Law

01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:52.700
enforcement

01:01:52.700 --> 01:01:53.820
could apply

01:01:53.820 --> 01:01:54.880
through some

01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:55.100
of the

01:01:55.100 --> 01:01:55.680
courses that

01:01:55.680 --> 01:01:55.940
will be

01:01:55.940 --> 01:01:57.380
taught through

01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:57.800
the Secret

01:01:57.800 --> 01:01:58.200
Service,

01:01:59.180 --> 01:01:59.820
and those

01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:00.400
courses will

01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:00.940
be offered

01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:01.840
sometime

01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:02.760
after the

01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:03.180
first of the

01:02:03.180 --> 01:02:03.400
year.

01:02:04.220 --> 01:02:04.580
And so I

01:02:04.580 --> 01:02:04.900
guess there

01:02:04.900 --> 01:02:05.100
would be

01:02:05.100 --> 01:02:05.500
really a

01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:05.900
myriad of

01:02:05.900 --> 01:02:06.320
ways that

01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:06.520
you would

01:02:06.520 --> 01:02:06.960
apply to

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.180
be able to

01:02:07.180 --> 01:02:07.460
take the

01:02:07.460 --> 01:02:07.760
courses.

01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:08.620
But the

01:02:08.620 --> 01:02:10.560
main thrust

01:02:10.560 --> 01:02:11.840
will be for

01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:12.520
law enforcement

01:02:12.520 --> 01:02:14.240
keeping them

01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:14.940
abreast and

01:02:14.940 --> 01:02:16.400
updated with

01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:17.900
new and

01:02:17.900 --> 01:02:18.840
advanced concepts

01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:19.240
and digital

01:02:19.240 --> 01:02:19.540
evidence,

01:02:19.620 --> 01:02:19.900
that kind of

01:02:19.900 --> 01:02:20.100
thing.

01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:20.700
Okay.

01:02:21.740 --> 01:02:22.600
How are the

01:02:22.600 --> 01:02:23.000
instructors

01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:23.420
chosen?

01:02:25.780 --> 01:02:26.340
The

01:02:26.340 --> 01:02:26.840
instructors

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:27.500
will be,

01:02:27.600 --> 01:02:28.180
some will

01:02:28.180 --> 01:02:30.060
be, I

01:02:30.060 --> 01:02:30.580
would imagine

01:02:30.580 --> 01:02:31.340
staff,

01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:32.780
Secret

01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:33.380
Service agents

01:02:33.380 --> 01:02:33.800
that already

01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:34.680
train and

01:02:34.680 --> 01:02:35.300
teach in

01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:35.800
this area.

01:02:36.340 --> 01:02:37.160
But other

01:02:37.160 --> 01:02:37.760
will be

01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.140
people that

01:02:40.140 --> 01:02:40.700
are already

01:02:40.700 --> 01:02:41.160
established,

01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:41.460
I would

01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:41.780
imagine

01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:42.240
initially

01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:42.680
people who

01:02:42.680 --> 01:02:43.700
are established

01:02:43.700 --> 01:02:44.200
within the

01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:44.560
industry.

01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.300
Proctors and

01:02:46.300 --> 01:02:47.100
facilitators

01:02:47.100 --> 01:02:48.620
will come in

01:02:48.620 --> 01:02:49.420
and also

01:02:49.420 --> 01:02:50.180
assist in

01:02:50.180 --> 01:02:50.560
teaching some

01:02:50.560 --> 01:02:50.660
of the

01:02:50.660 --> 01:02:50.980
classes,

01:02:51.080 --> 01:02:51.300
because the

01:02:51.300 --> 01:02:51.720
classes are

01:02:51.720 --> 01:02:51.920
going to be

01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:52.240
different.

01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:52.520
I mean,

01:02:52.540 --> 01:02:53.020
we're talking,

01:02:54.060 --> 01:02:54.500
I know your

01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:56.120
area is

01:02:56.120 --> 01:02:56.700
someone about

01:02:56.700 --> 01:02:57.620
network intrusions,

01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:58.300
but we're

01:02:58.300 --> 01:02:58.960
talking about

01:02:58.960 --> 01:02:59.920
computer forensics,

01:03:00.580 --> 01:03:01.340
first responder

01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:01.760
people,

01:03:02.140 --> 01:03:02.740
individuals who

01:03:02.740 --> 01:03:03.320
respond to

01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:03.900
digital crime

01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:04.220
scenes,

01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:04.980
which could

01:03:04.980 --> 01:03:05.400
be a murder

01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:05.860
scene where

01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:06.600
somebody has

01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:08.500
conspired with

01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:08.880
someone else

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:09.300
through email.

01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:11.160
Some people

01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:11.940
think about

01:03:11.940 --> 01:03:13.140
computer technology

01:03:13.140 --> 01:03:13.540
crime and

01:03:13.540 --> 01:03:14.160
think only

01:03:14.160 --> 01:03:14.840
about pornography

01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:15.280
or they

01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:15.720
think only

01:03:15.720 --> 01:03:16.280
about network

01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:16.920
intrusion or

01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:17.240
hacking,

01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:18.180
but it's

01:03:18.180 --> 01:03:18.480
everything.

01:03:18.660 --> 01:03:18.840
I mean,

01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:20.400
drug deals

01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:21.060
are set up

01:03:21.060 --> 01:03:21.540
through text

01:03:21.540 --> 01:03:22.140
messaging and

01:03:22.140 --> 01:03:22.540
through cell

01:03:22.540 --> 01:03:22.760
phones.

01:03:23.520 --> 01:03:24.100
So, you

01:03:24.100 --> 01:03:24.400
know, the

01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:25.420
communication

01:03:25.420 --> 01:03:26.520
age, the

01:03:26.520 --> 01:03:27.160
digital age

01:03:27.160 --> 01:03:27.560
involves

01:03:27.560 --> 01:03:28.000
everything.

01:03:28.340 --> 01:03:28.940
There's many

01:03:28.940 --> 01:03:29.960
aspects of

01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:31.020
our lives

01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:31.240
that are

01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:31.820
touched by

01:03:31.820 --> 01:03:32.020
it.

01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:33.140
They're also

01:03:33.140 --> 01:03:35.060
in the

01:03:35.060 --> 01:03:36.080
criminal world

01:03:36.080 --> 01:03:36.620
where they

01:03:36.620 --> 01:03:36.940
use the

01:03:36.940 --> 01:03:37.600
same technology

01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:37.920
that we

01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:38.220
use.

01:03:39.140 --> 01:03:39.480
So, it

01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:39.920
can be

01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:40.460
really any

01:03:40.460 --> 01:03:41.400
particular area

01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:42.160
that they

01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:42.480
can delve

01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:42.740
into.

01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:44.080
Yes, and

01:03:44.080 --> 01:03:44.600
I fully

01:03:44.600 --> 01:03:45.140
understand that.

01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:47.800
Myself, I'm

01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:48.400
what we call a

01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:49.800
phone freak, and

01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:50.320
I learn about

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:50.920
the telephone

01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:51.720
systems mainly.

01:03:55.080 --> 01:03:55.800
Criminals can

01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:56.380
definitely do

01:03:56.380 --> 01:03:57.020
that sort of

01:03:57.020 --> 01:03:57.260
thing.

01:03:57.740 --> 01:03:58.240
They go into

01:03:58.240 --> 01:03:58.700
all sorts of

01:03:58.700 --> 01:03:59.160
technology.

01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:00.500
There's so many

01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:01.080
things that's

01:04:01.080 --> 01:04:01.700
tagging, there's

01:04:01.700 --> 01:04:02.140
so many things

01:04:02.140 --> 01:04:02.480
that can be

01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.180
done, particularly

01:04:04.180 --> 01:04:04.760
as things move

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:05.400
wireless and

01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:05.800
things move

01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:06.260
smaller.

01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:08.200
We just need to

01:04:08.200 --> 01:04:08.520
keep up with

01:04:08.520 --> 01:04:09.080
that technology.

01:04:09.200 --> 01:04:09.460
We don't want

01:04:09.460 --> 01:04:09.820
to wake up

01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:11.340
one day and

01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:12.600
being in law

01:04:12.600 --> 01:04:13.320
enforcement or

01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.000
in any branch

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:15.700
as a prosecutor

01:04:15.700 --> 01:04:17.380
not being able to

01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:17.880
understand the

01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:18.380
technology.

01:04:18.680 --> 01:04:20.300
So, five years

01:04:20.300 --> 01:04:20.640
from now, we

01:04:20.640 --> 01:04:21.620
want to be right

01:04:21.620 --> 01:04:22.360
there with what's

01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:22.640
happening.

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:25.660
One of the

01:04:25.660 --> 01:04:26.260
things mentioned

01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:27.020
in the press

01:04:27.020 --> 01:04:27.700
release was a

01:04:27.700 --> 01:04:28.360
smart courtroom.

01:04:28.680 --> 01:04:28.900
Could you

01:04:28.900 --> 01:04:29.520
elaborate on that?

01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:32.020
Yes, kind of

01:04:32.020 --> 01:04:33.420
thought process

01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:34.180
that I had was

01:04:34.180 --> 01:04:35.260
to create a

01:04:35.260 --> 01:04:36.600
courtroom that

01:04:36.600 --> 01:04:38.200
has every bit

01:04:38.200 --> 01:04:39.620
of technology

01:04:39.620 --> 01:04:40.640
that you could

01:04:40.640 --> 01:04:42.840
conceivably put

01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.280
into a courtroom

01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:45.400
where the

01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:46.120
tables and the

01:04:46.120 --> 01:04:46.680
jury box,

01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:47.140
everything's

01:04:47.140 --> 01:04:47.620
interactive.

01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:49.720
You have the

01:04:49.720 --> 01:04:51.400
judge and the

01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:52.820
jury and the

01:04:52.820 --> 01:04:53.760
counsel tables

01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:55.200
and the witness

01:04:55.200 --> 01:04:55.720
stand are all

01:04:55.720 --> 01:04:56.680
linked through

01:04:56.680 --> 01:04:58.440
wireless communication

01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:59.020
devices.

01:04:59.020 --> 01:05:00.400
so if a witness

01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:00.800
on the witness

01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.420
stand is showing

01:05:01.420 --> 01:05:02.740
something that's

01:05:02.740 --> 01:05:03.440
very small,

01:05:03.860 --> 01:05:05.080
then the jurors

01:05:05.080 --> 01:05:05.840
would be able to

01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:06.340
look at that

01:05:06.340 --> 01:05:06.900
through some type

01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:07.700
of digital means

01:05:07.700 --> 01:05:08.200
through a computer

01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:08.500
screen.

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:09.500
See it close up

01:05:09.500 --> 01:05:10.340
instead of having

01:05:10.340 --> 01:05:10.900
to walk around

01:05:10.900 --> 01:05:11.420
and pass it

01:05:11.420 --> 01:05:11.680
around.

01:05:12.120 --> 01:05:12.840
This is for

01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:13.460
training purposes.

01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:14.560
This would be a

01:05:14.560 --> 01:05:15.020
courtroom where

01:05:15.020 --> 01:05:15.620
people could come

01:05:15.620 --> 01:05:16.940
in from Kansas,

01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:17.400
Nebraska,

01:05:17.540 --> 01:05:18.660
California and

01:05:18.660 --> 01:05:19.100
look at a

01:05:19.100 --> 01:05:20.360
courtroom and say

01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:21.240
that would work

01:05:21.240 --> 01:05:22.720
or we could take

01:05:22.720 --> 01:05:23.440
that technology

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:24.720
back to our

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:27.340
hometown and present

01:05:27.340 --> 01:05:28.420
evidence in cases

01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:28.960
this way.

01:05:29.940 --> 01:05:31.440
And so,

01:05:31.620 --> 01:05:31.760
you know,

01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:33.140
it helps everybody.

01:05:34.040 --> 01:05:34.780
I talked to a

01:05:34.780 --> 01:05:35.280
newspaper today,

01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:35.700
I gave an interview

01:05:35.700 --> 01:05:36.460
today on this

01:05:36.460 --> 01:05:37.760
same concept.

01:05:39.180 --> 01:05:40.140
And it's not

01:05:40.140 --> 01:05:41.020
necessarily that

01:05:41.020 --> 01:05:42.320
we're seeking to

01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.040
collect evidence to

01:05:44.040 --> 01:05:44.820
say,

01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:44.980
oh,

01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:45.320
we're going to

01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:46.000
convict someone.

01:05:46.600 --> 01:05:48.000
We collect evidence

01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.440
to seek justice.

01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:51.260
And more times

01:05:51.260 --> 01:05:51.720
than not,

01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:52.460
what we collect

01:05:52.460 --> 01:05:52.900
and what we do

01:05:52.900 --> 01:05:53.560
proves someone

01:05:53.560 --> 01:05:54.160
didn't do

01:05:54.160 --> 01:05:54.560
something.

01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:55.320
Yeah.

01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.240
as much as

01:05:56.240 --> 01:05:57.580
it proves that

01:05:57.580 --> 01:05:57.920
we did.

01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:58.420
It's only when

01:05:58.420 --> 01:05:59.040
somebody's arrested

01:05:59.040 --> 01:05:59.500
does it make

01:05:59.500 --> 01:05:59.880
the paper.

01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:00.580
You know,

01:06:00.600 --> 01:06:01.100
when we clear

01:06:01.100 --> 01:06:01.760
people,

01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:02.160
you know,

01:06:02.240 --> 01:06:03.340
or there's an

01:06:03.340 --> 01:06:04.080
investigation that

01:06:04.080 --> 01:06:04.340
shows,

01:06:04.560 --> 01:06:04.720
well,

01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:05.400
that person's not

01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:06.140
a suspect anymore,

01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:07.000
that's not in

01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:07.480
the headlines.

01:06:08.100 --> 01:06:08.360
So,

01:06:08.680 --> 01:06:08.920
you know,

01:06:09.100 --> 01:06:09.660
for the police

01:06:09.660 --> 01:06:10.320
to be able to

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:10.980
collect evidence

01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:12.120
to show what

01:06:12.120 --> 01:06:12.980
really happened

01:06:12.980 --> 01:06:13.700
is what we're

01:06:13.700 --> 01:06:14.420
seeking to do.

01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:15.140
You know,

01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:15.340
I mean,

01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:15.920
by collecting

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:16.600
this digital evidence,

01:06:16.680 --> 01:06:17.120
we may give

01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:17.900
somebody an alibi

01:06:17.900 --> 01:06:18.760
that they would

01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:19.180
never have been

01:06:19.180 --> 01:06:19.600
able to prove

01:06:19.600 --> 01:06:20.100
otherwise.

01:06:20.600 --> 01:06:21.280
But because they

01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:21.820
left the digital

01:06:21.820 --> 01:06:22.560
footprint through

01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:23.500
a GPS or

01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:24.160
through a cell phone,

01:06:24.620 --> 01:06:25.120
we can show

01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:25.460
they weren't

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:25.840
there at the

01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:26.220
scene of the

01:06:26.220 --> 01:06:26.460
crime.

01:06:26.980 --> 01:06:27.700
Or they were

01:06:27.700 --> 01:06:28.080
there at the

01:06:28.080 --> 01:06:28.380
scene of the

01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:28.620
crime.

01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:29.700
So,

01:06:30.040 --> 01:06:30.260
you know,

01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:30.740
that's kind

01:06:30.740 --> 01:06:31.160
of our goal.

01:06:31.340 --> 01:06:31.900
But I kind

01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:32.360
of digress

01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:32.540
from the

01:06:32.540 --> 01:06:33.040
smart courtroom.

01:06:33.140 --> 01:06:33.520
We just want

01:06:33.520 --> 01:06:33.900
to be able

01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:34.320
to train

01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:34.780
people in

01:06:34.780 --> 01:06:35.220
that courtroom

01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:36.340
to be able

01:06:36.340 --> 01:06:36.800
to put people

01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:37.240
on the witness

01:06:37.240 --> 01:06:37.860
stand to show

01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:38.900
them what it's

01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:39.340
like to be

01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:39.940
cross-examined.

01:06:40.080 --> 01:06:40.460
Or how do

01:06:40.460 --> 01:06:41.540
you present

01:06:41.540 --> 01:06:42.160
evidence that

01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:43.860
you retrieved

01:06:43.860 --> 01:06:44.540
from a cell phone?

01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:45.960
How do you

01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:46.580
display it to a

01:06:46.580 --> 01:06:47.200
jury so we can

01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:47.580
kind of work

01:06:47.580 --> 01:06:47.960
through those

01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:48.480
things in this

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:49.640
courtroom before

01:06:49.640 --> 01:06:50.140
somebody goes

01:06:50.140 --> 01:06:50.700
back to

01:06:50.700 --> 01:06:51.480
Nebraska or

01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:52.420
Kansas and

01:06:52.420 --> 01:06:52.900
has to do

01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:54.120
it's live.

01:06:54.600 --> 01:06:54.820
Okay.

01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:56.220
I personally

01:06:56.220 --> 01:06:56.820
think that that

01:06:56.820 --> 01:06:57.360
is an excellent

01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:58.300
idea, especially

01:06:58.300 --> 01:06:58.860
for the jury

01:06:58.860 --> 01:07:00.260
who is normally

01:07:00.260 --> 01:07:01.200
not trained on

01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:02.060
technical issues.

01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:03.540
No, you're

01:07:03.540 --> 01:07:04.180
exactly right.

01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:04.980
And it's just

01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:05.780
to have this

01:07:05.780 --> 01:07:06.080
space.

01:07:06.240 --> 01:07:07.280
And in the

01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:08.640
early, I guess,

01:07:08.700 --> 01:07:10.620
concept meetings

01:07:10.620 --> 01:07:11.160
about this

01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:11.880
institute having

01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:12.840
this, that was

01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:13.200
one of the

01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:14.780
things that I

01:07:14.780 --> 01:07:15.480
just, as a

01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:16.320
courtroom

01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:16.960
prosecutor, because

01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:17.300
that's what I

01:07:17.300 --> 01:07:17.700
do, and I've

01:07:17.700 --> 01:07:18.080
done it for

01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:19.140
many years, I

01:07:19.140 --> 01:07:19.680
understand how

01:07:19.680 --> 01:07:20.460
difficult it is

01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:21.840
to be able to

01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:22.460
convey to a

01:07:22.460 --> 01:07:23.620
jury the

01:07:23.620 --> 01:07:24.100
idea or

01:07:24.100 --> 01:07:24.460
thought you

01:07:24.460 --> 01:07:24.880
have about a

01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:25.300
particular piece

01:07:25.300 --> 01:07:25.980
of evidence, and

01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:26.900
this will really

01:07:26.900 --> 01:07:27.640
help us in being

01:07:27.640 --> 01:07:28.120
able to do

01:07:28.120 --> 01:07:28.420
that.

01:07:28.580 --> 01:07:28.860
You know, if

01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:29.360
you've got some

01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.340
type of, you

01:07:31.340 --> 01:07:32.200
know, device or

01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:33.800
equipment and you

01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:34.760
want to put

01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:35.280
something up on

01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:35.720
a screen, if you

01:07:35.720 --> 01:07:36.120
have a small

01:07:36.120 --> 01:07:36.920
photograph or a

01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:37.480
small piece of

01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.020
evidence, if you've

01:07:39.020 --> 01:07:40.620
got a bullet and

01:07:40.620 --> 01:07:43.400
it matches a

01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:44.720
shell case, well,

01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:45.260
instead of having

01:07:45.260 --> 01:07:46.480
someone tell them

01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.080
that it matches,

01:07:48.140 --> 01:07:48.460
you know, you

01:07:48.460 --> 01:07:50.120
can put it on a

01:07:50.120 --> 01:07:50.920
piece of equipment

01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:51.920
and it will

01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:53.200
display, you

01:07:53.200 --> 01:07:53.800
know, on a

01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:54.800
projector screen

01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.420
for a jury, and

01:07:56.420 --> 01:07:57.260
that's the kind of

01:07:57.260 --> 01:07:58.120
stuff you see on

01:07:58.120 --> 01:07:58.880
television a lot, but

01:07:58.880 --> 01:07:59.740
you know, most

01:07:59.740 --> 01:08:00.320
courtrooms, most

01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:00.840
places in the

01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:01.480
country don't have

01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:02.720
that, and sometimes

01:08:02.720 --> 01:08:03.740
it's resources,

01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:04.400
sometimes it's

01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:05.420
money, but a lot

01:08:05.420 --> 01:08:05.980
of times it's the

01:08:05.980 --> 01:08:06.340
fear of the

01:08:06.340 --> 01:08:07.640
technology, and if

01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:08.340
we can remove a

01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:08.800
little bit of that

01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:10.300
mystique when they

01:08:10.300 --> 01:08:11.100
come here to train,

01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:12.840
then maybe they'll

01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:13.500
be able to take that

01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:14.280
back and be able to

01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:15.320
utilize that in that

01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:15.560
courtroom.

01:08:15.780 --> 01:08:16.600
And I know with

01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:17.480
fear of technology,

01:08:17.620 --> 01:08:18.220
one of the things that

01:08:18.220 --> 01:08:20.140
I've realized in the

01:08:20.140 --> 01:08:21.000
hacking scene is

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:21.840
that people fear

01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:22.240
what they don't

01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:22.740
understand.

01:08:22.980 --> 01:08:23.320
Oh, yeah.

01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:26.440
I believe, to me,

01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:27.540
information is power,

01:08:28.180 --> 01:08:29.100
and the more

01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:29.700
information people

01:08:29.700 --> 01:08:30.440
have, the more

01:08:30.440 --> 01:08:31.120
empowered they are

01:08:31.120 --> 01:08:31.920
to make decisions,

01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:33.700
and so being able

01:08:33.700 --> 01:08:35.120
to, you know,

01:08:35.300 --> 01:08:36.060
that's what we're

01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:36.660
talking about here,

01:08:37.340 --> 01:08:38.240
is being able to

01:08:38.240 --> 01:08:39.220
collect information

01:08:39.220 --> 01:08:41.040
in investigations or

01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:42.160
in whatever situation

01:08:42.160 --> 01:08:43.280
it is, maybe there's

01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:44.680
an identity theft or

01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:45.380
whatever there is,

01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:46.780
for the people

01:08:46.780 --> 01:08:47.460
responsible for

01:08:47.460 --> 01:08:48.340
making a case or

01:08:48.340 --> 01:08:49.140
doing what's right,

01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:49.820
for them to have

01:08:49.820 --> 01:08:50.660
as much information

01:08:50.660 --> 01:08:51.840
as they can so

01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:52.360
they can make

01:08:52.360 --> 01:08:53.720
the right decision

01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:55.440
to charge somebody

01:08:55.440 --> 01:08:56.000
or not charge

01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:56.620
somebody, to go

01:08:56.620 --> 01:08:57.300
for a jury to

01:08:57.300 --> 01:08:57.740
make the right

01:08:57.740 --> 01:08:59.740
decision, an

01:08:59.740 --> 01:09:00.720
employer, you

01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:02.500
know, so don't

01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:04.000
leave any stone

01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:04.740
unturned, and this

01:09:04.740 --> 01:09:05.780
just gives us a

01:09:05.780 --> 01:09:06.940
tool to turn them

01:09:06.940 --> 01:09:07.120
over.

01:09:08.580 --> 01:09:09.640
Can you tell us a

01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:10.120
little bit about

01:09:10.120 --> 01:09:11.280
the class curriculum?

01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:14.180
Right now, we're

01:09:14.180 --> 01:09:17.000
looking at probably

01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:17.900
a first responder

01:09:17.900 --> 01:09:18.680
type course

01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:19.900
initially that

01:09:19.900 --> 01:09:21.500
would have, you

01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:23.160
know, we know

01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:23.600
what to do when

01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:24.200
we go in and

01:09:24.200 --> 01:09:25.220
see, you know, a

01:09:25.220 --> 01:09:26.720
dead body or

01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:27.180
a bank's been

01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:28.980
robbed, but if

01:09:28.980 --> 01:09:30.380
you walk in and

01:09:30.380 --> 01:09:31.520
you've got somebody

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:32.340
that's been using

01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:33.780
a computer to

01:09:33.780 --> 01:09:35.480
counterfeit the

01:09:35.480 --> 01:09:36.200
stocks and bonds,

01:09:37.780 --> 01:09:38.380
you know, or you've

01:09:38.380 --> 01:09:39.120
got somebody who's

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:39.720
been running a

01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:40.440
child pornography

01:09:40.440 --> 01:09:44.940
website, what do

01:09:44.940 --> 01:09:45.140
you do?

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:46.320
Do they turn the

01:09:46.320 --> 01:09:46.840
machine off?

01:09:46.900 --> 01:09:47.320
Do they unplug

01:09:47.320 --> 01:09:47.500
it?

01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:49.340
Do they search

01:09:49.340 --> 01:09:49.720
it there?

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:50.620
Do you need a

01:09:50.620 --> 01:09:51.280
search warrant for

01:09:51.280 --> 01:09:52.100
the computer and

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:52.540
the house?

01:09:53.280 --> 01:09:53.720
You know, what I

01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:54.340
do as a police

01:09:54.340 --> 01:09:55.520
officer in rural

01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.240
Kansas, what do I

01:09:56.240 --> 01:09:56.440
do?

01:09:57.040 --> 01:09:58.380
How do I handle

01:09:58.380 --> 01:09:59.100
that scene?

01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:00.360
And we'll teach

01:10:00.360 --> 01:10:00.660
that.

01:10:01.200 --> 01:10:02.280
So it sounds like

01:10:02.280 --> 01:10:02.960
you might actually

01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.580
be making some of

01:10:06.580 --> 01:10:07.460
the laws as you

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:08.220
learn about this.

01:10:08.900 --> 01:10:09.160
Yeah, I mean,

01:10:09.240 --> 01:10:10.660
there's, I mean,

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.600
the police officers,

01:10:11.780 --> 01:10:13.780
you know, we can't

01:10:13.780 --> 01:10:16.420
collect any digital

01:10:16.420 --> 01:10:17.960
evidence either

01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:20.480
through a computer

01:10:20.480 --> 01:10:22.120
hard drive or

01:10:22.120 --> 01:10:22.840
from an email or

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:23.520
from a cell phone

01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.220
unless we do it

01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:27.120
the same way we

01:10:27.120 --> 01:10:28.180
collect blood and

01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:28.640
fingerprints.

01:10:29.280 --> 01:10:30.200
It's got to, or

01:10:30.200 --> 01:10:30.700
not fingerprints,

01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:31.520
but blood or any

01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:32.040
other physical

01:10:32.040 --> 01:10:32.620
evidence we collect

01:10:32.620 --> 01:10:32.880
now.

01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:34.100
It's got to be a

01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:34.620
search warrant,

01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:37.060
consent, or some

01:10:37.060 --> 01:10:38.300
other constitutionally

01:10:38.300 --> 01:10:39.120
recognized means.

01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:40.000
Yes.

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:41.080
So this is not

01:10:41.080 --> 01:10:41.680
Big Brother, we're

01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:42.820
not looking at

01:10:42.820 --> 01:10:43.500
people's emails,

01:10:44.540 --> 01:10:44.820
you know, we're

01:10:44.820 --> 01:10:45.340
not listening to

01:10:45.340 --> 01:10:45.880
phone calls.

01:10:47.060 --> 01:10:47.940
You know, we get

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:49.180
those devices through

01:10:49.180 --> 01:10:50.040
the way we get

01:10:50.040 --> 01:10:50.940
things now.

01:10:51.940 --> 01:10:52.180
Okay.

01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:53.980
But what do we do

01:10:53.980 --> 01:10:54.740
when we get there?

01:10:54.820 --> 01:10:55.420
And we want to make

01:10:55.420 --> 01:10:55.900
sure that police

01:10:55.900 --> 01:10:56.680
officers understand

01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:58.160
what their rights

01:10:58.160 --> 01:10:58.680
are in collecting

01:10:58.680 --> 01:10:59.040
evidence.

01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:00.060
They don't leave

01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:00.780
anything behind that

01:11:00.780 --> 01:11:01.500
they're entitled to

01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:02.680
get, but they don't

01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:03.420
go beyond what

01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:03.940
they're entitled to

01:11:03.940 --> 01:11:04.300
get either.

01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:05.800
First responder

01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.600
courses of somebody

01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:09.440
at a digital crime

01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:10.120
scene, or any

01:11:10.120 --> 01:11:10.720
crime scene that

01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:11.340
involves digital

01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:11.720
evidence.

01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:12.900
Yes.

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:13.820
Probably a week,

01:11:14.040 --> 01:11:15.440
long course, and

01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:15.800
then there's

01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:16.640
probably two,

01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:18.120
initially two others,

01:11:18.220 --> 01:11:19.080
one will be computer

01:11:19.080 --> 01:11:20.760
forensics, which is,

01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:22.080
you know, the mining

01:11:22.080 --> 01:11:23.700
of the data, evidence

01:11:23.700 --> 01:11:26.800
from hard drives or

01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:28.740
whatever device,

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.960
cell phone, laptop,

01:11:31.480 --> 01:11:31.820
whatever.

01:11:32.140 --> 01:11:32.420
Yes.

01:11:32.460 --> 01:11:32.840
And then there'll

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:33.380
be a network

01:11:33.380 --> 01:11:34.920
intrusion courses,

01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.280
and then we'll have

01:11:38.280 --> 01:11:39.760
variations of those

01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.140
courses for prosecutors,

01:11:42.320 --> 01:11:44.180
judges, and then,

01:11:44.240 --> 01:11:45.320
you know, some of the

01:11:45.320 --> 01:11:46.040
corporate folks,

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.180
some of the, you know,

01:11:50.200 --> 01:11:51.040
corporate financial,

01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:56.520
banking, lending

01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:57.340
institutions, that kind

01:11:57.340 --> 01:11:58.120
of thing, that are

01:11:58.120 --> 01:11:58.900
getting, you know,

01:11:58.980 --> 01:12:00.860
pretty good as far as,

01:12:00.860 --> 01:12:02.860
you know, internal,

01:12:02.980 --> 01:12:03.780
not necessarily internal

01:12:03.780 --> 01:12:05.200
thefts, but corporate

01:12:05.200 --> 01:12:07.440
thefts, people, you're

01:12:07.440 --> 01:12:08.400
breaking into systems,

01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:09.080
that kind of thing,

01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:11.560
financial losses,

01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:12.440
identity theft, that

01:12:12.440 --> 01:12:12.840
kind of thing.

01:12:13.180 --> 01:12:14.040
There'll be, you know,

01:12:14.060 --> 01:12:15.400
some courses designed

01:12:15.400 --> 01:12:16.200
with those folks through

01:12:16.200 --> 01:12:17.020
the foundation we've

01:12:17.020 --> 01:12:17.360
created.

01:12:18.200 --> 01:12:19.120
We want to work with,

01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:20.560
the foundation will also

01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.240
work with, hopefully,

01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:22.840
some of the hardware

01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:24.300
and software industry as

01:12:24.300 --> 01:12:24.920
far as some of the,

01:12:24.980 --> 01:12:26.440
you know, things that

01:12:26.440 --> 01:12:28.160
they do as far as,

01:12:28.240 --> 01:12:28.860
you know, if we need,

01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.880
if we need to work up

01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:32.020
new protocols, that kind

01:12:32.020 --> 01:12:32.540
of stuff, there'll be

01:12:32.540 --> 01:12:33.200
some of those things

01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:33.700
there as well.

01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:36.440
Okay, and my final

01:12:36.440 --> 01:12:37.520
question is, how do

01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:39.080
you think that hackers

01:12:39.080 --> 01:12:39.920
might be able to help

01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:40.140
you?

01:12:40.660 --> 01:12:42.620
You know, I tell you,

01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.120
I know I've seen and

01:12:44.120 --> 01:12:44.580
read a lot of the

01:12:44.580 --> 01:12:45.240
literature, I know the

01:12:45.240 --> 01:12:45.940
conventions are in

01:12:45.940 --> 01:12:47.740
Vegas and I haven't

01:12:47.740 --> 01:12:48.720
been to them and I've

01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:49.600
thought about going to

01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:50.300
some of those things

01:12:50.300 --> 01:12:53.160
and I guess, you

01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:55.500
know, education in

01:12:55.500 --> 01:12:56.340
working with law

01:12:56.340 --> 01:12:57.240
enforcement, if your

01:12:57.240 --> 01:12:59.480
goal is to only to

01:12:59.480 --> 01:13:00.680
learn and get

01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:01.540
information but not

01:13:01.540 --> 01:13:03.460
hurt the system or the

01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:04.200
people who own the

01:13:04.200 --> 01:13:05.380
system, you know, if

01:13:05.380 --> 01:13:06.020
you're looking at

01:13:06.020 --> 01:13:06.840
something, I guess if

01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:07.940
you've gone into a

01:13:07.940 --> 01:13:08.880
system, if your goal

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:09.640
is not to hurt the

01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:11.120
system, when I say

01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:11.580
system, I'm talking

01:13:11.580 --> 01:13:12.040
about a network

01:13:12.040 --> 01:13:12.340
system.

01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:13.220
Yes, yes, I

01:13:13.220 --> 01:13:13.640
understand that.

01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:16.980
Or damage or hurt,

01:13:17.160 --> 01:13:18.760
you know, someone who's

01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.180
connected to that, then

01:13:20.180 --> 01:13:21.920
I guess, you know, your

01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:23.280
ability to train or

01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:25.260
educate us, I guess,

01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:27.160
would be invaluable.

01:13:27.900 --> 01:13:29.680
I know I had a case not

01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:31.500
long ago where someone

01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:33.140
had gone into a, it

01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:35.060
was a juvenile, had

01:13:35.060 --> 01:13:35.900
gone into a system

01:13:35.900 --> 01:13:38.780
and, you know, one of

01:13:38.780 --> 01:13:39.200
the things that we

01:13:39.200 --> 01:13:40.740
wanted to learn was,

01:13:41.060 --> 01:13:43.000
you know, how?

01:13:43.780 --> 01:13:45.000
You know, how'd you do

01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:45.180
it?

01:13:46.340 --> 01:13:47.580
And, I mean, that was,

01:13:47.940 --> 01:13:49.560
that's, you know, that

01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:50.740
would be a big help to

01:13:50.740 --> 01:13:51.980
law enforcement, I think,

01:13:52.060 --> 01:13:52.940
to be able to

01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:54.320
understand, you know,

01:13:54.340 --> 01:13:55.480
weaknesses and that

01:13:55.480 --> 01:13:56.020
kind of thing because

01:13:56.020 --> 01:13:57.440
there's so many systems

01:13:57.440 --> 01:13:59.280
that are vulnerable and

01:13:59.280 --> 01:13:59.980
there's so many people

01:13:59.980 --> 01:14:01.200
that are malicious in

01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:03.080
their intent and, you

01:14:03.080 --> 01:14:03.540
know, want to do

01:14:03.540 --> 01:14:03.840
damage.

01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:04.500
And I really don't

01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:05.120
understand that.

01:14:05.740 --> 01:14:06.260
That's one of the

01:14:06.260 --> 01:14:07.620
things I've always, I

01:14:07.620 --> 01:14:08.540
guess, struggled with

01:14:08.540 --> 01:14:11.840
for years is, you

01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:12.840
know, just vandalism,

01:14:13.060 --> 01:14:13.300
really.

01:14:13.620 --> 01:14:14.440
Yeah, it doesn't make

01:14:14.440 --> 01:14:15.160
sense to me at all.

01:14:15.320 --> 01:14:16.480
I really never, as a

01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:17.340
kid, I didn't understand

01:14:17.340 --> 01:14:19.820
it and I don't now, but

01:14:19.820 --> 01:14:20.740
I know it exists.

01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:21.720
And, you know, my

01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.620
career started as a

01:14:22.620 --> 01:14:24.440
counselor for troubled

01:14:24.440 --> 01:14:25.320
kids and I worked with

01:14:25.320 --> 01:14:26.100
them and I understand,

01:14:26.360 --> 01:14:26.840
you know, there are

01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:27.440
things that I don't

01:14:27.440 --> 01:14:29.000
understand and I

01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:29.760
probably never will.

01:14:30.020 --> 01:14:31.520
If I prosecuted a

01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:32.700
triple murder case, I

01:14:32.700 --> 01:14:33.500
can't understand why

01:14:33.500 --> 01:14:34.520
this person did the

01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:35.280
brutal acts that he

01:14:35.280 --> 01:14:36.160
did to that family.

01:14:37.280 --> 01:14:38.420
So, you know, I kind

01:14:38.420 --> 01:14:39.200
of quit trying to figure

01:14:39.200 --> 01:14:40.920
things out and just

01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:41.800
try to help the people

01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:42.620
who have been hurt by

01:14:42.620 --> 01:14:43.760
it, but, you know,

01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:45.160
I've worked with

01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:45.780
people who have had

01:14:45.780 --> 01:14:46.240
their identities

01:14:46.240 --> 01:14:48.200
stolen and years

01:14:48.200 --> 01:14:48.980
later they're still

01:14:48.980 --> 01:14:50.280
trying to unweave the

01:14:50.280 --> 01:14:50.540
mess.

01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:51.080
Yeah.

01:14:51.360 --> 01:14:52.420
And so, you know,

01:14:52.480 --> 01:14:54.020
somebody goes in and

01:14:54.020 --> 01:14:55.680
just, you know, and

01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:57.360
hurts or harms a

01:14:57.360 --> 01:14:59.720
system like that.

01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:00.700
It's hard for me to

01:15:00.700 --> 01:15:04.040
understand the, you

01:15:04.040 --> 01:15:04.940
know, just that

01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:05.860
maliciousness to want

01:15:05.860 --> 01:15:07.340
to hurt a system or

01:15:07.340 --> 01:15:08.640
hurt people associated

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:09.800
with it, but, you

01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:10.220
know, they do.

01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:11.680
And so I guess from

01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:14.620
you guys is when you,

01:15:14.940 --> 01:15:15.800
who's going to find,

01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:16.420
who's going to know

01:15:16.420 --> 01:15:17.640
about bad seeds before

01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:18.360
you do?

01:15:18.440 --> 01:15:18.700
Nobody.

01:15:18.860 --> 01:15:19.280
You're going to know

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:19.680
first.

01:15:20.240 --> 01:15:22.420
And I guess any way

01:15:22.420 --> 01:15:23.540
that you can, and I

01:15:23.540 --> 01:15:24.240
know nobody likes to

01:15:24.240 --> 01:15:24.960
turn folks in, that

01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:25.300
kind of thing.

01:15:25.360 --> 01:15:26.000
I'm not advocating

01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:26.500
that, but.

01:15:26.500 --> 01:15:27.900
Well, we, I

01:15:27.900 --> 01:15:28.660
believe that we are

01:15:28.660 --> 01:15:29.400
more than happy to

01:15:29.400 --> 01:15:30.120
turn somebody in if

01:15:30.120 --> 01:15:30.860
we see that they're

01:15:30.860 --> 01:15:31.760
doing something that

01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.680
is distinctly illegal.

01:15:34.240 --> 01:15:34.400
Yeah.

01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:36.380
Well, that's just, I

01:15:36.380 --> 01:15:37.000
think that's the big

01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.120
help is being able to

01:15:38.120 --> 01:15:39.680
identify folks and

01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:40.720
try to, you know,

01:15:40.740 --> 01:15:42.280
educate that, you

01:15:42.280 --> 01:15:43.200
know, that it's just

01:15:43.200 --> 01:15:44.480
not, it's just not

01:15:44.480 --> 01:15:46.800
right to damage what

01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:47.420
someone else has

01:15:47.420 --> 01:15:48.320
worked really hard to

01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:49.000
create.

01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.120
And, you know,

01:15:51.160 --> 01:15:53.760
unfortunately, that's a

01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:54.280
big part of what

01:15:54.280 --> 01:15:54.860
happens out there.

01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:55.520
I see it all the

01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:55.720
time.

01:15:56.360 --> 01:15:57.580
I get people calling

01:15:57.580 --> 01:15:59.560
their website, they've

01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:00.520
got a small business

01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.000
and, you know, and

01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.280
they can't open up,

01:16:06.340 --> 01:16:07.060
they can't go because

01:16:07.060 --> 01:16:07.840
somebody's going in and

01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:09.700
changed prices, changed

01:16:09.700 --> 01:16:11.540
order forms, you know,

01:16:11.620 --> 01:16:12.780
and now they've had to

01:16:12.780 --> 01:16:13.580
shut their website down

01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:14.400
and lost them a week

01:16:14.400 --> 01:16:17.640
and a week in a

01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:18.500
small business can

01:16:18.500 --> 01:16:20.320
kill yourself, can

01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:20.880
kill your entire

01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:22.420
industry that you've

01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:22.720
created.

01:16:23.060 --> 01:16:23.600
So, you know, and

01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:24.520
there's nothing done

01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:25.500
for no other reason

01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:26.060
other than it was

01:16:26.060 --> 01:16:26.840
somebody could.

01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:27.620
Yeah.

01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:29.160
So I guess identifying

01:16:29.160 --> 01:16:29.860
those folks and

01:16:29.860 --> 01:16:30.600
helping law enforcement

01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:32.300
would be a big plus.

01:16:32.860 --> 01:16:33.740
Thank you very much.

01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:34.220
Sure, sure.

01:16:34.420 --> 01:16:35.220
I hope I've answered

01:16:35.220 --> 01:16:36.060
your questions.

01:16:36.340 --> 01:16:37.280
Feel free to call me.

01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:37.900
You've got my number.

01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:38.620
Yes, I do.

01:16:38.700 --> 01:16:39.500
And just keep in

01:16:39.500 --> 01:16:39.640
touch.

01:16:39.740 --> 01:16:40.180
And what's your

01:16:40.180 --> 01:16:40.700
website again?

01:16:40.900 --> 01:16:42.620
It is binrev.com,

01:16:42.740 --> 01:16:44.220
B-I-N-R-E-V.

01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:45.940
What you just heard

01:16:45.940 --> 01:16:46.740
was an interview with

01:16:46.740 --> 01:16:47.880
Barry Mattson, who

01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:48.840
works for the Alabama

01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:49.700
District Attorney's

01:16:49.700 --> 01:16:50.760
Office, by myself,

01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.400
Faceman, who works

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:53.940
for no one.

01:16:54.440 --> 01:16:55.500
Except for me, of

01:16:55.500 --> 01:16:55.720
course.

01:16:57.300 --> 01:16:58.740
Barry cleared up a

01:16:58.740 --> 01:16:59.800
few things that I'm

01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:00.620
sure we got wrong

01:17:00.620 --> 01:17:02.700
in the episode, and

01:17:02.700 --> 01:17:05.360
I think kind of the

01:17:05.360 --> 01:17:06.040
main thing he cleared

01:17:06.040 --> 01:17:07.620
up was kind of the

01:17:07.620 --> 01:17:08.620
attitude towards

01:17:08.620 --> 01:17:10.520
hackers that we

01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.940
felt was wrong, but

01:17:13.940 --> 01:17:15.020
I think we realized

01:17:15.020 --> 01:17:16.660
that this was

01:17:16.660 --> 01:17:17.820
mainly just the

01:17:17.820 --> 01:17:18.580
Hoover Press

01:17:18.580 --> 01:17:20.120
Secretary, that

01:17:20.120 --> 01:17:22.160
Barry's not a bad

01:17:22.160 --> 01:17:22.380
guy.

01:17:22.500 --> 01:17:23.540
I want to

01:17:23.540 --> 01:17:24.320
absolutely thank

01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:26.000
Barry for taking

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:26.700
the time out of

01:17:26.700 --> 01:17:28.140
his day to do

01:17:28.140 --> 01:17:29.060
an interview, which

01:17:29.060 --> 01:17:30.480
took, I think it

01:17:30.480 --> 01:17:31.260
was a 17-minute

01:17:31.260 --> 01:17:32.660
interview, and I

01:17:32.660 --> 01:17:33.320
definitely want to

01:17:33.320 --> 01:17:33.980
thank him for that.

01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.460
And we're going to

01:17:38.460 --> 01:17:38.980
be in contact.

01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:39.780
if anybody wants

01:17:39.780 --> 01:17:41.680
to help out in

01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:42.220
any way, if you

01:17:42.220 --> 01:17:42.700
want to send

01:17:42.700 --> 01:17:43.540
something that you

01:17:43.540 --> 01:17:44.340
may know that you

01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:45.860
think the National

01:17:45.860 --> 01:17:46.740
Computer Forensics

01:17:46.740 --> 01:17:48.020
Institute may find of

01:17:48.020 --> 01:17:50.260
use, if you'll send

01:17:50.260 --> 01:17:51.080
that to me, I'll send

01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:51.540
that to him.

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:52.820
I don't want to drop

01:17:52.820 --> 01:17:53.940
his email address on

01:17:53.940 --> 01:17:55.300
the show because I

01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:56.060
didn't ask him.

01:17:57.260 --> 01:17:59.620
So if he doesn't

01:17:59.620 --> 01:18:00.480
mind if he'll send

01:18:00.480 --> 01:18:01.440
me an email, maybe

01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:02.800
I'll have Enigma put

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:03.340
that in the show

01:18:03.340 --> 01:18:03.620
notes.

01:18:03.620 --> 01:18:05.620
But again, I want

01:18:05.620 --> 01:18:06.060
to thank Barry

01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:08.540
Mattson for taking

01:18:08.540 --> 01:18:09.220
the time out of his

01:18:09.220 --> 01:18:09.760
day to do that

01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:10.080
interview.

01:18:11.360 --> 01:18:12.720
And in the episode,

01:18:13.060 --> 01:18:14.780
we really kind of

01:18:14.780 --> 01:18:17.620
had, a lot of it

01:18:17.620 --> 01:18:18.560
was spent on a rant

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:19.680
that this might not

01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:20.360
work out too well.

01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:21.280
But after talking

01:18:21.280 --> 01:18:23.680
with Barry, I am in

01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:24.420
the firm belief that

01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:25.540
this is going to be

01:18:25.540 --> 01:18:26.840
an absolutely excellent

01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:28.440
program, and I'm

01:18:28.440 --> 01:18:28.900
going to help out

01:18:28.900 --> 01:18:29.820
however I can.

01:18:30.660 --> 01:18:31.580
I definitely think

01:18:31.580 --> 01:18:32.700
this is a good thing

01:18:32.700 --> 01:18:33.280
for the community,

01:18:33.620 --> 01:18:34.900
and one of the

01:18:34.900 --> 01:18:36.460
things that we

01:18:36.460 --> 01:18:37.000
kind of talked

01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:38.360
about that I

01:18:38.360 --> 01:18:39.220
realize now is

01:18:39.220 --> 01:18:40.300
that this isn't

01:18:40.300 --> 01:18:43.400
just about crimes

01:18:43.400 --> 01:18:44.240
dealing with

01:18:44.240 --> 01:18:44.780
computers.

01:18:45.100 --> 01:18:46.460
Well, it is

01:18:46.460 --> 01:18:47.140
dealing with

01:18:47.140 --> 01:18:48.180
computers, but it

01:18:48.180 --> 01:18:48.640
seems that the

01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:49.420
National Computer

01:18:49.420 --> 01:18:50.540
Forensics Institute

01:18:50.540 --> 01:18:51.840
is more about the

01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:52.780
computers involved

01:18:52.780 --> 01:18:54.300
with normal crimes

01:18:54.300 --> 01:18:57.360
from what we

01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:59.120
discussed, but it

01:18:59.120 --> 01:18:59.880
also would deal

01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:01.340
with regular network

01:19:01.340 --> 01:19:03.580
intrusions and the

01:19:03.580 --> 01:19:05.080
DRM, digital rights

01:19:05.080 --> 01:19:06.440
management, and

01:19:06.440 --> 01:19:07.480
everything else that's

01:19:07.480 --> 01:19:08.220
on the list in the

01:19:08.220 --> 01:19:09.840
press release, but

01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:10.960
that it's not just

01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:12.320
focused towards that.

01:19:12.740 --> 01:19:13.360
He mentioned

01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:14.300
murder a couple of

01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:15.120
times and the

01:19:15.120 --> 01:19:15.720
computers in that

01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:17.320
area, and how the

01:19:17.320 --> 01:19:18.840
agents or the police

01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:19.360
don't know what to

01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:21.100
do, and I think

01:19:21.100 --> 01:19:22.340
that's a major

01:19:22.340 --> 01:19:23.760
problem, and this

01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:24.420
should eliminate

01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:25.060
some of that, and

01:19:25.060 --> 01:19:26.380
it's an absolutely

01:19:26.380 --> 01:19:28.860
excellent idea that

01:19:28.860 --> 01:19:29.500
they have here.

01:19:30.400 --> 01:19:31.720
And the other

01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:32.060
thing I was

01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:32.740
wondering about was

01:19:32.740 --> 01:19:34.440
could the regular

01:19:34.440 --> 01:19:35.240
old Joe Sixpack

01:19:35.240 --> 01:19:36.480
down the road go

01:19:36.480 --> 01:19:37.780
to this, and the

01:19:37.780 --> 01:19:39.000
answer is sort of.

01:19:39.660 --> 01:19:40.920
The school, as he

01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:41.860
said, is available to

01:19:41.860 --> 01:19:43.220
anybody in computer

01:19:43.220 --> 01:19:44.620
security, but it's

01:19:44.620 --> 01:19:46.760
mainly for local

01:19:46.760 --> 01:19:48.120
law enforcement and

01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:50.780
federal agencies and

01:19:50.780 --> 01:19:52.180
law enforcement in

01:19:52.180 --> 01:19:53.380
general, and judges

01:19:53.380 --> 01:19:55.360
and prosecutors and

01:19:55.360 --> 01:19:56.160
things of that nature.

01:19:56.160 --> 01:19:58.620
So, I mean, I

01:19:58.620 --> 01:19:59.260
believe that you

01:19:59.260 --> 01:20:00.300
could apply for it.

01:20:01.220 --> 01:20:02.140
We spent a little

01:20:02.140 --> 01:20:02.760
bit of time on that,

01:20:02.980 --> 01:20:03.680
but a majority of

01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:05.060
our time was spent on

01:20:05.060 --> 01:20:06.140
the smart courtroom,

01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.680
sort of, and kind of

01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.680
the ignorance that the

01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:12.340
regular jury has.

01:20:13.160 --> 01:20:14.600
And one of the things

01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:15.860
we got and said in

01:20:15.860 --> 01:20:17.520
the show was that it

01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.940
would be, it would

01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:23.600
be, hmm, Drake,

01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:23.980
you're going to have

01:20:23.980 --> 01:20:24.760
to edit this part out.

01:20:24.900 --> 01:20:25.520
My pause here.

01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:27.300
Oh, thanks,

01:20:27.380 --> 01:20:28.040
Faceman, because if

01:20:28.040 --> 01:20:28.460
you didn't say

01:20:28.460 --> 01:20:29.300
anything, I would

01:20:29.300 --> 01:20:29.800
have just left it

01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:30.000
in.

01:20:30.700 --> 01:20:31.220
In fact, I'm going

01:20:31.220 --> 01:20:31.760
to leave it in now.

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:32.120
What the hell?

01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:34.420
It would be for

01:20:34.420 --> 01:20:36.340
training purposes and

01:20:36.340 --> 01:20:37.280
not for an active

01:20:37.280 --> 01:20:38.060
courtroom, which is

01:20:38.060 --> 01:20:38.780
kind of something we

01:20:38.780 --> 01:20:39.560
kind of assumed on

01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:39.960
the show.

01:20:42.380 --> 01:20:43.760
But overall, it was

01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:44.760
an absolutely excellent

01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:45.140
interview.

01:20:45.380 --> 01:20:46.000
We covered all the

01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:46.780
major topics.

01:20:47.220 --> 01:20:47.980
He straightened out a

01:20:47.980 --> 01:20:48.620
few things, and I've

01:20:48.620 --> 01:20:49.460
said this before, and I

01:20:49.460 --> 01:20:49.900
don't know why I'm

01:20:49.900 --> 01:20:51.720
saying it again, but

01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.160
one of the things that

01:20:55.160 --> 01:20:56.300
Barry mentioned was

01:20:56.300 --> 01:20:57.580
cons in Las Vegas,

01:20:57.880 --> 01:20:58.600
which we, of course,

01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:00.780
know as DEFCON, and

01:21:00.780 --> 01:21:01.840
his interest in the

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:02.520
hacker mindset.

01:21:03.400 --> 01:21:04.580
So maybe we'll be

01:21:04.580 --> 01:21:06.020
seeing him around the

01:21:06.020 --> 01:21:07.200
forums, DEFCON,

01:21:07.260 --> 01:21:08.380
HOPE, maybe the

01:21:08.380 --> 01:21:09.640
local 2600 meetings.

01:21:10.180 --> 01:21:10.860
Barry, if you're

01:21:10.860 --> 01:21:11.640
listening, you can

01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:12.460
consider that your

01:21:12.460 --> 01:21:14.000
official invitation to

01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:14.760
come join us.

01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.440
So, once again, I want

01:21:17.440 --> 01:21:18.660
to thank him for being

01:21:18.660 --> 01:21:20.540
such a great interviewee.

01:21:21.020 --> 01:21:21.980
It was my first

01:21:21.980 --> 01:21:22.460
interview.

01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:24.500
It was my first time to

01:21:24.500 --> 01:21:25.480
really kind of act like

01:21:25.480 --> 01:21:27.140
the press, and I think

01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:28.440
it was a lot of fun, and

01:21:28.440 --> 01:21:29.540
that's what the show is

01:21:29.540 --> 01:21:30.480
all about, learning,

01:21:30.740 --> 01:21:32.780
having fun, and I think

01:21:32.780 --> 01:21:33.520
we definitely had a lot

01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:34.180
of fun on this episode.

01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:38.120
So, thanks to everybody,

01:21:38.480 --> 01:21:39.760
and shouts to the NCFI

01:21:40.580 --> 01:21:41.980
and Barry Mattson.

01:21:41.980 --> 01:21:44.720
What am I supposed to

01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:45.220
put at the end?

01:21:46.420 --> 01:21:47.100
Jazz music.

01:21:47.420 --> 01:21:48.440
Jazz music, okay.

01:22:11.980 --> 01:22:15.420
cheerNEY.

01:22:15.420 --> 01:22:15.860
Oh-oh-oh-oh.

01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:16.700
Oh-oh-oh.

01:22:16.700 --> 01:22:33.400
Go

01:22:33.400 --> 01:22:39.360
good

01:22:39.360 --> 01:23:09.340
Thank you.

01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:39.340
Thank you.