WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:09.460 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.760 --> 00:15.520 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million jpegs of you 00:15.520 --> 00:16.600 and a fag pwned. 00:16.720 --> 00:21.640 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:21.900 --> 00:26.440 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.440 --> 00:32.460 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.680 --> 00:38.360 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning Dreamcast. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.700 --> 00:43.520 Our exchange you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.840 --> 00:47.540 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.880 --> 00:52.100 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:52.220 --> 00:56.280 You feel that rattling your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones. 00:56.440 --> 01:00.720 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.960 --> 01:03.500 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.960 --> 01:06.820 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crassies. 01:07.060 --> 01:11.640 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIFs, SISs. 01:11.880 --> 01:14.200 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:14.200 --> 01:20.400 Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio episode number 197. 01:20.980 --> 01:23.680 I am Leroy Jenkins. 01:24.680 --> 01:27.220 Actually, I'm Stank Dog once again. Sorry to disappoint you. 01:27.680 --> 01:29.240 Couldn't be as cool as Leroy Jenkins. 01:29.400 --> 01:32.820 But I do have somebody equally cool as my co-host this week. 01:32.900 --> 01:34.600 Savant, welcome back to the show, my friend. 01:35.460 --> 01:36.920 Oh wait, I thought you said somebody cool. 01:36.920 --> 01:38.380 So, anyway, hang on, go ahead. 01:38.960 --> 01:40.620 And today, let's see, original. 01:40.720 --> 01:41.340 Turn it on up! 01:41.580 --> 01:47.820 The original air date is July 31st, 2007. 01:48.140 --> 01:49.880 Two double lot seven represent. 01:50.960 --> 01:57.860 And let's see, we have a lot of housekeeping to do since we haven't done a show in, I don't know, three weeks maybe or something like that. 01:58.700 --> 02:02.640 So, I guess let's jump right into it. 02:02.640 --> 02:08.040 So, again, Savant joining us this week because we have a pretty cool main topic coming up. 02:08.120 --> 02:09.080 We'll get to that in a second. 02:09.900 --> 02:15.080 Briefly in the housekeeping, I want to mention that I actually, even though we didn't do another bin rev, 02:15.720 --> 02:17.940 and I guess I shouldn't, I should be ashamed to mention this, 02:17.980 --> 02:21.500 but I did do an episode of another show, Twatech Radio, Today with a Techie. 02:21.980 --> 02:28.780 So, if you go check that out at twatech.org, that's twatech.org, go check that out. 02:29.540 --> 02:33.620 Lots of people putting up, as a matter of fact, probably my show's rolled off the list of shows by now. 02:33.700 --> 02:37.320 They're putting out shows so quickly, so shouts to those guys over there. 02:39.000 --> 02:42.620 Let's see, what else is on my, oh, this was really cool. 02:42.680 --> 02:44.920 I don't know if you caught this one, Savant, or yet. 02:45.000 --> 02:46.480 It's going to be in reruns for a while, I'm sure. 02:46.480 --> 02:51.420 But our good friend, a friend of bin rev radio, and a personal friend of mine, my good friend Alanka, 02:51.500 --> 02:59.540 was on Nova Science Now this past week on PBS, discussing, of course, her favorite topic, cryptos. 03:00.500 --> 03:06.200 It aired on July 4th, and it will be repeated, as I said, so keep an eye out for that. 03:06.280 --> 03:12.260 Watch your PBS stations, and look through your TiVos, find a description, look for keyword cryptos or something, 03:12.260 --> 03:17.780 and see if you can cue that up and watch it, or possibly find it in the tubes somewhere. 03:17.880 --> 03:18.600 I'm sure it's out there. 03:19.420 --> 03:21.200 There's a lot of stuff in the tubes, have you noticed that? 03:22.020 --> 03:25.480 Yeah, they're not as clogged as some people would make us think they would be. 03:26.420 --> 03:28.300 The tubes aren't flowing with good stuff. 03:28.540 --> 03:33.140 They need to be flushed out every once in a while, but you know, all good tubes do. 03:33.880 --> 03:39.060 By the way, I make some hella good Kool-Aid, cherry Kool-Aid. 03:39.060 --> 03:45.760 I am like the foremost chef-preparer of cherry Kool-Aid in the known world. 03:46.580 --> 03:49.940 I think I make better Kool-Aid than Mr. Kool-Aid. 03:50.720 --> 03:51.820 Than the Kool-Aid man? 03:51.940 --> 03:54.380 Than the Mr., yeah, the big red dude that breaks through the wall. 03:54.840 --> 03:55.480 Hey, Kool-Aid! 03:55.480 --> 03:59.220 He's bust through the wall, and the stain just swings and knocks him out of the right hook. 03:59.660 --> 04:01.400 Fuck you, I'm the Kool-Aid man. 04:01.820 --> 04:03.680 I will fuck the Kool-Aid man up. 04:04.080 --> 04:06.640 I got some hella good Kool-Aid on the show tonight. 04:06.640 --> 04:08.160 And actually, you got some iced tea. 04:08.260 --> 04:10.640 We just swapped places this time, huh? 04:11.120 --> 04:11.620 I know. 04:11.700 --> 04:12.340 What's up with that? 04:12.460 --> 04:13.740 But I don't have sweet tea. 04:13.840 --> 04:16.140 I have unsweetened pure leaf iced tea. 04:16.340 --> 04:18.480 Oh, you evil, evil man. 04:19.260 --> 04:19.900 No, I... 04:19.900 --> 04:20.800 Well, you're out there. 04:20.800 --> 04:21.600 I lift it even. 04:21.700 --> 04:22.640 It's not really good. 04:22.940 --> 04:25.080 You're out on the West Coast, so I can understand you. 04:25.560 --> 04:28.840 A bunch of flakes and fruits and nuts out there. 04:29.220 --> 04:30.400 Yeah, but it's interesting. 04:30.500 --> 04:34.240 If you look at the nutrition facts, and it has zero across the board. 04:34.240 --> 04:38.040 There are calories, fat, sodium, flavor, protein. 04:38.580 --> 04:46.500 You look at the list of good stuff in there, and nutrients and whatever, and it's just a picture of the empty set. 04:47.280 --> 04:48.180 Yeah, basically. 04:48.400 --> 04:52.040 It's just a big zero with the not sign through it. 04:52.880 --> 04:54.260 16 ounces of nothing. 04:54.260 --> 04:58.680 Or it's got the word nutrition with the not sign around it, like no smoking, no nutrition. 05:00.440 --> 05:01.140 So, yes. 05:01.300 --> 05:04.700 Anyway, Nova Science Now, which is a very, very cool show. 05:05.320 --> 05:07.020 I've been listening to the podcast for years. 05:07.120 --> 05:10.220 Actually, I've come back because somebody asked about that in one of our emails this week. 05:11.040 --> 05:14.460 But Ilanka was on this very cool episode. 05:14.880 --> 05:20.640 Her, as well as some of the other people that have been working on cryptos, they did a great job of covering it for people who've never seen it before. 05:20.640 --> 05:27.560 They had some video, so that was really cool, and Ilanka did some interviews with her, and she gave some stuff. 05:27.640 --> 05:33.380 She also gave a challenge at the end of the show that, as far as I know, hasn't been cracked yet. 05:33.440 --> 05:42.140 I went out and checked the tubes, checked the PBS message boards and whatnot, and I did not see that anyone had answered it yet. 05:42.140 --> 05:45.320 So, shouts to Ilanka. 05:45.520 --> 05:46.240 Cool stuff. 05:46.360 --> 05:47.180 Hooray, Ilanka. 05:47.180 --> 05:49.000 I have to do hooray, Ilanka. 05:49.760 --> 05:53.160 Like, do they have hooray beer out there on the West Coast? 05:53.560 --> 05:55.000 Oh, red stripe beer. 05:55.080 --> 05:55.540 Yeah, man. 05:55.580 --> 05:56.720 We're not in a fucking cave. 05:58.320 --> 05:59.600 You might as well be. 06:00.280 --> 06:02.000 Oh, man. 06:02.060 --> 06:02.820 You West Coasters. 06:03.040 --> 06:04.020 Hooray beer. 06:05.460 --> 06:06.140 Red stripe. 06:06.140 --> 06:06.740 It's not that great, though. 06:07.200 --> 06:08.820 No, I've never actually tried it. 06:08.820 --> 06:12.680 Yeah, I mean, there's a reason they spend all their money on commercials. 06:12.840 --> 06:20.840 You ever notice that the amount of money that a beer company spends on the commercials is inverse to how good their beer actually tastes? 06:21.760 --> 06:27.780 Well, if that's true, then Budweiser would be the bottom of the barrel, because they spend bajillions of money on advertising. 06:28.600 --> 06:29.800 I would have to agree with that. 06:30.140 --> 06:30.800 Oh, wow. 06:31.520 --> 06:32.480 I thought, like, I thought... 06:32.480 --> 06:33.540 Yeah, I'm kind of a beer snob. 06:33.920 --> 06:37.800 Oh, I thought Milwaukee's Best was kind of like the bottom of the barrel beer. 06:38.820 --> 06:45.940 Well, I mean, even Pabst Blue Ribbon, which is arguably considerably cheaper, is a lot better. 06:46.100 --> 06:50.720 I mean, it tastes slightly better than Bud, but, man, will it mess you up. 06:51.300 --> 06:53.680 Yeah, and we've got to back off the beer. 06:53.960 --> 07:00.320 We don't want to cross content paths with that other podcast about beer and technology. 07:00.580 --> 07:00.680 Uh-oh. 07:01.200 --> 07:01.540 Uh-oh. 07:01.540 --> 07:03.920 Ooh, jab deep with that one. 07:04.440 --> 07:09.820 Uh, let's see, what else in the old housekeeping section this week? 07:09.900 --> 07:10.860 Oh, T-shirts. 07:11.420 --> 07:14.520 We have new T-shirts, finally. 07:14.520 --> 07:18.640 So, I held off, even though I've been working on it, and I put the order in. 07:18.700 --> 07:22.380 I waited until I actually had them in my hands before I announced it. 07:22.460 --> 07:25.940 And, I know we don't have video, but maybe here on the microphone, I can... 07:25.940 --> 07:27.840 There's the shirt tapping against the microphone. 07:27.980 --> 07:29.880 I have the shirts in my hand. 07:30.360 --> 07:32.100 They look very cool, I think. 07:32.100 --> 07:38.620 We did them in, uh, did a dark charcoal gray and an orange shirt, which matched the designs. 07:38.700 --> 07:43.020 I posted them in the forums, forums.binrev.com, if you want to check them out. 07:43.420 --> 07:46.680 Kind of going away from the whole black shirt thing. 07:46.760 --> 07:49.360 It's getting kind of old, so I thought we'd change it up. 07:50.040 --> 07:55.540 And, hopefully, we'll be coming out with some new designs in the future, so keep an eye out on the forums. 07:55.660 --> 07:59.800 If these do well and people enjoy these, we'll start mixing in some other colors, some other styles, 07:59.800 --> 08:02.220 some other slogans and things like that. 08:02.660 --> 08:03.340 And, sizes. 08:03.480 --> 08:05.120 I expanded the sizes this time. 08:05.200 --> 08:09.520 The first time we did shirts, we only did XL, because it was easier and cheaper to do it that way. 08:10.100 --> 08:17.000 This time, I was able to get some mediums and larges, and actually got a couple... 08:17.000 --> 08:24.440 I got a couple smalls out there, for the Strom Carlson's out there, who are either... 08:24.440 --> 08:29.000 For those people out there who are either small or like to wear their shirts really, really tight, 08:29.000 --> 08:29.800 for whatever reason. 08:30.480 --> 08:32.060 Not that there's anything wrong with that. 08:32.700 --> 08:33.560 So, we do have... 08:33.560 --> 08:38.780 I've only got, like, I think, two or three, three or four of each design in small, so... 08:38.780 --> 08:44.520 We'll see how quickly those go, and if we need more, we can do them in the next batch. 08:44.960 --> 08:50.040 Unfortunately, I couldn't get anything larger than XL, because anything larger than XL, 08:50.180 --> 08:51.540 they start jacking the price up. 08:51.600 --> 08:53.000 It's a dollar extra for the 2XL. 08:53.920 --> 08:57.940 It's $2 extra for the 3XL, and so on and so forth. 08:58.060 --> 09:03.100 So, we weren't able to do any of those in this batch, but we will try to do a few in the next one. 09:03.240 --> 09:09.080 So, if you are big folk, I can still squeeze into an XL right now. 09:09.160 --> 09:12.840 But if you can't, we will try to accommodate you in the next batch of shirts. 09:12.840 --> 09:18.380 So, hopefully, in a couple months, when these sell out, if these sell out, we will get some more done. 09:19.420 --> 09:24.200 You know, I've got to say, kudos to you on picking colors that were not black T-shirts. 09:24.700 --> 09:26.840 Just yesterday, my old baby is looking through... 09:26.840 --> 09:32.380 You know, we live together now, and she's looking at my half of the closet, and it's like 90% black T-shirts. 09:32.780 --> 09:33.260 Yeah, right. 09:33.260 --> 09:34.180 And she was... 09:34.180 --> 09:36.220 I mean, apparently, women... 09:36.220 --> 09:41.900 Some of the ones that don't keep a ton of clothes on hand all the time, it's because they're constantly cycling through their shit. 09:42.320 --> 09:48.260 But I will never throw away a T-shirt that I like that even has, like, the most remote, sentimental value to me. 09:48.780 --> 09:53.220 And all she sees is just a pile, like, eight feet deep of black shirts. 09:53.480 --> 09:53.700 Yeah. 09:53.700 --> 09:57.440 So, this will help me, you know, at least convince her that I should keep them. 09:57.440 --> 10:14.000 Well, and I went over to the BR813 Tampa BinRev meeting this past weekend, and while I was over there, Spinsane made a comment to me because I was wearing the orange shirt, the new orange BinRev shirt, when I went over there. 10:14.060 --> 10:17.240 And I was also wearing my orange baseball cap to go with it. 10:17.300 --> 10:19.600 So, I was coordinated, as he pointed out. 10:20.420 --> 10:25.540 So, you know, got to keep everything coordinated, got to keep the style working, you know. 10:25.540 --> 10:28.000 We got a little style at BinRev, believe it or not. 10:29.160 --> 10:36.980 Now that the designs are already at the printers, have you thought about maybe making some hoodies or some hats or expanding a little bit on that? 10:36.980 --> 10:39.400 Well, actually, we... 10:39.400 --> 10:43.560 Okay, the first batch of these I had done, I didn't want to push my luck too far. 10:43.660 --> 10:50.860 I just wanted to get these things done and out, and because I needed them done, or I wanted them done, I should say, before DEF CON, so I could take some out for everybody. 10:51.560 --> 10:53.100 So, I didn't want to push my luck too much. 10:53.100 --> 10:55.140 I just wanted to get them done and in my hands. 10:55.540 --> 10:58.600 Plus, financially, you know, I didn't have too much flexibility. 10:58.880 --> 11:05.600 So, if these do well, the next batch will have a lot more flexibility, like I said, on sizes, designs, styles, and everything. 11:06.320 --> 11:12.440 And now I have kind of a rapport with them, where they will... 11:12.440 --> 11:14.880 Actually, they have a lot of things that they can do, as it turns out. 11:14.920 --> 11:17.640 I talked to them after I got them, told them I was happy with the shirts. 11:18.400 --> 11:21.360 Might tweak a couple little things on the next one, but I'm happy with them. 11:21.360 --> 11:28.740 And they can do printing of all kinds of stuff, whether it's hoodies, caps, not even just clothing stuff. 11:28.820 --> 11:35.360 They can do badges and bumper stickers and just about anything you could imagine. 11:35.360 --> 11:41.340 So, you know, we have a lot of opportunities for, I guess, merchandising, for lack of a better word, which feels weird to say. 11:41.480 --> 11:44.180 But, yeah, we have a lot of stuff that we can do. 11:44.340 --> 11:53.360 And now that we have a relationship with them, kind of an open-door account, you know, we can just get what we want, have it all build, and they'll be flexible with me about all that stuff. 11:53.360 --> 12:05.440 So, and once you've gotten a shirt done, for anybody who doesn't know, when you get shirts done, depending on how many colors you need, and these shirts ended up being, I think, three colors on each side, or three colors on one side and two on the other. 12:05.680 --> 12:12.860 They charge you per screen, for each screen print, for each screen that they need to do an ink color through and design on. 12:13.080 --> 12:15.120 They charge you for each one of those screens up front. 12:15.220 --> 12:18.040 That's where the bulk of the cost comes in. 12:18.600 --> 12:22.680 So, you know, a lot of the money you have to shell out up front to get these screens. 12:22.680 --> 12:31.260 Now, if I go back and want them to do another batch, and now every place is a little bit different, but with this place, they'll keep the screens on file for six months. 12:31.780 --> 12:39.100 So, if I want to order again within the next six months, they will already have them done, still saved on file, and they will not have to pay for the screens again. 12:39.700 --> 12:49.100 So, that will save some money on future ones and make it faster and easier for us to roll out some more shirts, especially the front of the shirts all have a uniform design to them. 12:49.100 --> 12:52.520 It's the same style on the front chest of the shirt over the heart. 12:53.060 --> 12:56.800 It's just different colors depending on what matches the shirt color itself. 12:56.960 --> 12:59.300 So, that screen can be reused as well. 12:59.420 --> 13:04.680 So, yeah, we've got a lot of possibilities we can do in the future with this, so I'm looking forward to it. 13:04.720 --> 13:08.600 Hopefully, you know, I really just don't know what to expect in people's demand. 13:08.600 --> 13:12.900 I've got a little over a hundred of each shirt design made, and let's see how they do. 13:14.240 --> 13:20.360 You know, we've moved to a new server, and we've been kind of, you know, we've never put up donation links or anything like that. 13:20.420 --> 13:25.280 We've never gotten on here and done an off-the-hook beg-a-thon or any of that stuff, WBAI, whatever. 13:25.960 --> 13:27.580 Boy, I'm just pissing everybody off today. 13:28.780 --> 13:31.080 So, yeah, exactly. 13:32.060 --> 13:32.820 Hey, you know what? 13:32.840 --> 13:38.100 We're ending season four here soon, so we might as well get out our shots while we can here. 13:38.200 --> 13:39.400 Fire them off while we got them. 13:41.080 --> 13:42.180 Okay, I'm going to say it. 13:42.240 --> 13:42.980 Fuck dig. 13:43.820 --> 13:45.260 Oh, no, you didn't. 13:45.480 --> 13:48.500 You're going to have all the little dig fanboys now emailing us in. 13:49.000 --> 13:49.720 I know. 13:49.800 --> 13:51.200 The army of Kevin Rose. 13:51.300 --> 13:51.660 Yeah. 13:51.900 --> 13:52.580 You know, well. 13:52.820 --> 13:53.220 DKR. 13:53.460 --> 13:53.820 Yeah. 13:54.220 --> 13:56.440 Oh, why are you pulling me into this? 13:56.760 --> 13:57.160 Damn it. 13:57.240 --> 13:58.160 I'm fighting. 13:58.320 --> 13:58.920 I'm resisting. 13:59.960 --> 14:00.640 Listen, you know what? 14:00.680 --> 14:01.020 Here, listen. 14:01.300 --> 14:04.260 I can't hate on Kevin for making a lot of money off of that. 14:04.380 --> 14:07.140 I mean, I'm not going to hate on him for that. 14:07.240 --> 14:12.720 It's just my original thing about not giving credit and stuff like that and probably even 14:12.720 --> 14:13.560 holds through to Dig. 14:13.660 --> 14:16.980 He has people that are doing the programming and the real work behind it. 14:17.020 --> 14:19.160 Those are the people I give props to. 14:19.220 --> 14:21.980 The coding team behind Dig, you get mad props from me. 14:22.000 --> 14:22.560 I'll give you that. 14:22.980 --> 14:23.200 All right. 14:24.000 --> 14:29.780 Now, to the users on Dig, you all suck the big bone right down to the very last one of you. 14:29.780 --> 14:33.900 How's that for pissing off an entire interweb community? 14:35.900 --> 14:38.640 There's no mailing address associated with BinRev Radio, is there? 14:38.680 --> 14:40.660 Well, I guess there is on the Who Is. 14:40.760 --> 14:40.960 Yeah. 14:41.080 --> 14:44.500 I can get all kinds of hate mail and anthrax and other stuff in the mail, I guess. 14:45.600 --> 14:45.900 Oh. 14:46.060 --> 14:46.680 God damn. 14:46.720 --> 14:48.020 I better not joke about this stuff. 14:48.060 --> 14:48.540 What the hell? 14:48.620 --> 14:49.340 People hate me. 14:50.620 --> 14:52.600 I'm going to get all kinds of dead animals in the mail. 14:53.960 --> 14:54.320 Them's good news. 14:54.320 --> 14:54.640 You know what? 14:54.660 --> 14:57.600 It would be the worst thing ever if they were to send money and pie. 14:57.760 --> 15:01.420 I really hope that none of our angry listeners send money and pie. 15:01.680 --> 15:02.620 Oh, man. 15:02.780 --> 15:04.440 That would be the worst thing ever. 15:05.700 --> 15:06.500 Or Kool-Aid. 15:07.220 --> 15:07.600 Yeah. 15:08.140 --> 15:09.600 No packets of Kool-Aid. 15:09.600 --> 15:13.480 Well, actually, Kool-Aid might be pretty scary, actually. 15:13.600 --> 15:14.760 Like, what the fuck is this? 15:14.760 --> 15:16.040 Is this cherry anthrax? 15:17.480 --> 15:19.440 I didn't know anthrax came in flavors. 15:20.320 --> 15:21.720 It does now. 15:21.900 --> 15:22.980 Cherry anthrax. 15:23.040 --> 15:23.400 Wow. 15:23.820 --> 15:24.280 Oh, no. 15:24.940 --> 15:27.500 I think you may have just coined a t-shirt phrase on that one. 15:27.580 --> 15:27.980 I'm not sure. 15:29.100 --> 15:30.020 BinRev.com. 15:30.100 --> 15:31.560 Home of cherry anthrax. 15:33.000 --> 15:33.600 Oh, man. 15:33.600 --> 15:35.960 So why did none of the BinRev guys show up at DEFCON? 15:36.020 --> 15:37.200 Oh, we couldn't get on an airplane. 15:38.060 --> 15:43.600 Or we got on the airplane, but we didn't get off alive because we were all anthraxed to death. 15:45.280 --> 15:46.020 Okay, let's see. 15:46.160 --> 15:48.640 We haven't even gotten out of the housekeeping section yet. 15:49.440 --> 15:50.040 Let's see. 15:50.280 --> 15:50.680 Housekeeping. 15:50.820 --> 15:51.500 What else do we have? 15:51.660 --> 15:52.560 DEFCON meetup. 15:53.000 --> 15:59.400 We are going to be having a little BinRev get-together for everybody who wants to go grab a bite to eat, hang out, chit-chat. 15:59.400 --> 16:03.040 We'll be meeting in front of the registration desk in the Riviera. 16:03.320 --> 16:05.400 We're going to be meeting starting at 3.30. 16:06.000 --> 16:07.580 We'll wait around for about 15 minutes. 16:07.680 --> 16:12.300 We'll start walking up towards that mall, fashion, square mall, fashion, store mall. 16:12.420 --> 16:13.100 I don't know what that's called. 16:13.580 --> 16:14.800 The mall that's right up on the street. 16:14.820 --> 16:15.380 It's about Treasure Island, isn't it? 16:15.540 --> 16:17.360 I think it's right across from the Wynn. 16:17.860 --> 16:19.560 I don't know how close it is to Treasure Island. 16:19.680 --> 16:22.620 I know it's straight across from the Wynn, though, on the opposite side of the street of the Wynn. 16:23.620 --> 16:23.880 Okay. 16:23.880 --> 16:24.420 But we'll walk. 16:24.480 --> 16:27.560 That's why you're going to meet us there at the registration desk at 3.30. 16:27.560 --> 16:31.960 I'll be wearing my BinRev shirts and whatnot, so we'll meet there. 16:32.040 --> 16:35.040 We'll walk over there at about 3.45 so we can sit there and eat. 16:36.900 --> 16:43.200 We'll probably be coming back around 5.30 to 5.45 because some people said there were some 6 o'clock talks that they would like to attend, 16:43.360 --> 16:45.220 so we won't stay over there too long. 16:45.300 --> 16:52.080 We'll be there for about an hour and a half, two hours, and get back for the 6 o'clock talks, and I will have the T-shirts there. 16:52.140 --> 16:53.220 I will bring T-shirts with me. 16:53.220 --> 16:58.120 I might have a few as I'm walking around before that, but they're going to probably go pretty quickly. 16:59.160 --> 17:04.540 So I will make it a point to bring a large batch of those to the get-together. 17:04.540 --> 17:09.380 So if you want one and you haven't seen me by then, then we will have them there. 17:10.240 --> 17:12.160 And I guess that's it. 17:12.240 --> 17:14.760 I will actually, I'll have some presentations with me. 17:15.400 --> 17:16.480 I don't know how it goes. 17:16.580 --> 17:17.860 It's pretty loud over there. 17:17.920 --> 17:20.600 It's a typical mall, so it's always hard to give presentations. 17:20.600 --> 17:25.600 But I always have a couple with me, always have some on the laptop, so I will bring them. 17:25.740 --> 17:32.080 And if anyone's interested and wants to see some, actually the one I gave at the BR813 went over really well the other day, 17:32.140 --> 17:39.220 especially with a live Internet connection at Panera Bread, I was able to actually prove, do a proof of concept, show the slides. 17:39.300 --> 17:39.940 Here's how it works. 17:40.000 --> 17:40.680 Here's what I did. 17:40.760 --> 17:44.600 And now you guys check and make sure, and it works, and it did. 17:44.660 --> 17:45.480 So that was kind of cool. 17:46.260 --> 17:48.100 So maybe we can do something like that. 17:48.100 --> 17:52.880 And I think that's about it for housekeeping. 17:53.160 --> 17:53.580 But you know what? 17:53.700 --> 18:03.480 Before we move on to email, Savant, if I may put you on the spot here, something that came up recently that you may know more, 18:03.540 --> 18:04.820 I'm sure you know more about than me. 18:04.880 --> 18:07.280 I think actually I asked you about it a couple weeks ago. 18:07.360 --> 18:11.080 We were talking about this new, is it Truth in Caller ID Act? 18:11.180 --> 18:12.580 I mean, what's the official name of this thing? 18:12.580 --> 18:21.340 They're calling it, the unofficial name is Truth in Caller ID Act, but there's actually two bills. 18:21.500 --> 18:25.700 I'm not sure which one actually is going to get passed. 18:25.820 --> 18:29.240 There's S-704, introduced February 28th. 18:29.420 --> 18:32.040 Thanks, Eyeball, for pointing the link out on that one. 18:32.040 --> 18:35.940 And there's another one called H.R. 251 at the House of Representatives. 18:36.860 --> 18:46.440 The one of 251 has language that actually mentions Caller ID spoofing being illegal with intent for fraudulent purposes, 18:46.440 --> 18:57.280 whereas S-704 is really fucking vague, and they say basically that anyone who says misleading or inaccurate Caller ID information 18:57.280 --> 19:02.460 will be, you know, subject to heinous crimes and mutt rapings and whatever else. 19:03.940 --> 19:09.380 Now, I think that both of these stand a good chance to be contested. 19:09.380 --> 19:17.180 What bugs me about S-704 is that misleading or inaccurate Caller ID, well, what about Skype, you know? 19:17.960 --> 19:24.240 Are there any, is Skype going to completely change how they do their Skype out service? 19:24.780 --> 19:31.340 I mean, I suppose it would be easy for them to just block Caller ID completely to be compliant, 19:31.800 --> 19:35.340 but right now it sends, what is it, 000123456? 19:35.840 --> 19:37.120 I think that is right, yeah. 19:37.120 --> 19:39.560 Or maybe there's an extra zero in there. 19:39.680 --> 19:40.680 Four zeros, yeah. 19:42.200 --> 19:48.620 Okay, now, I don't, one thing I'm not certain of is the status on which, if either or both laws got passed or whatnot. 19:49.280 --> 19:56.060 But the other one, the House of Reps 251, that one in and of itself doesn't really bother me that much 19:56.060 --> 19:58.140 because that's a line about fraud. 19:58.140 --> 20:07.840 So, if I'm calling up, you know, if I call you, Stank Dog, and I have Kevin Rose's phone number, you know, on the Caller ID, as a prank. 20:08.300 --> 20:09.620 I am so answering that. 20:10.660 --> 20:12.080 I am so answering that. 20:12.100 --> 20:12.620 Am I committing fraud? 20:12.860 --> 20:13.600 I mean, I guess so. 20:13.640 --> 20:17.380 If you got your hopes up and you answered the phone thinking it was Kevin, but... 20:17.380 --> 20:22.480 Yeah, well, my problem with that one more is, like, there are... 20:22.480 --> 20:25.080 Caller ID is a tool, right? 20:25.280 --> 20:26.880 It's an actually, it's a useful... 20:26.880 --> 20:27.600 Kevin Rose is a tool. 20:27.840 --> 20:28.940 What a coincidence. 20:28.940 --> 20:35.600 Oh, my gosh, we are so going to get hate mail, like I care. 20:37.000 --> 20:37.840 You think he listens? 20:38.000 --> 20:38.860 There's no way he listens to the show. 20:38.860 --> 20:42.100 No, but some, the fanboys will listen and report back to him. 20:42.460 --> 20:42.780 Or post it. 20:42.780 --> 20:44.660 The army of Kevin Rose, a core. 20:44.800 --> 20:45.560 Yeah, they will. 20:45.680 --> 20:46.620 I mean, honestly, they will. 20:46.900 --> 20:47.740 They've always... 20:47.740 --> 20:49.260 I'm just teasing, man. 20:49.400 --> 20:53.720 You can email me personally, savant, at fear-tube.com, if you want to talk some shit back. 20:53.820 --> 20:54.160 Who cares? 20:54.320 --> 20:55.420 They can email us, whatever. 20:56.500 --> 20:57.300 Here's the thing, though. 20:57.300 --> 21:01.580 There's legitimate purposes for using spoofed caller ID. 21:02.100 --> 21:05.820 I mean, there are a lot of great, useful applications of this. 21:06.380 --> 21:07.180 Bill collectors. 21:07.380 --> 21:08.100 I mean, I'm sorry. 21:08.220 --> 21:11.160 I know a lot of people don't like them, but if you don't pay your bills, a bill collector 21:11.160 --> 21:11.960 comes after you. 21:12.440 --> 21:15.740 They have to use whatever tools they can to try to get in touch with you and collect your 21:15.740 --> 21:16.020 bills. 21:16.600 --> 21:17.620 I mean, nobody likes them. 21:17.680 --> 21:19.620 We all hate them, you know, all that good stuff. 21:19.680 --> 21:20.260 But you know what? 21:21.140 --> 21:24.180 It's not right to take away a tool that they use to do their job. 21:24.420 --> 21:26.180 Private investigators, the same way. 21:26.180 --> 21:32.200 You know, they can't call from their number or from a number that's recognized or easily 21:32.200 --> 21:33.760 known or that gets out there in the street. 21:33.860 --> 21:35.820 People know, oh yeah, the agent's number is this. 21:35.860 --> 21:36.920 If you ever see it, don't answer. 21:37.600 --> 21:41.540 So, you know, I see it as a tool to them if they do their research and their homework 21:41.540 --> 21:41.980 properly. 21:42.040 --> 21:46.220 If they're a good PI, they can spoof your mother's phone number to you just to make you 21:46.220 --> 21:46.720 answer it. 21:46.720 --> 21:51.760 Now, I think, and I am not a lawyer, I'm talking out my ass here, but I would think 21:51.760 --> 21:54.520 that that should be safe. 21:54.520 --> 21:58.620 I don't know if it is under the wording of these things, but it should be safe until 21:58.620 --> 22:04.340 or if the moment you say, hi, this is your mom, then you're impersonating someone, you're 22:04.340 --> 22:07.360 committing fraud, you're saying, hi, I am Kevin Rose. 22:07.360 --> 22:08.860 That's when you would be crossing the line. 22:08.920 --> 22:13.120 But just sending the number itself doesn't really seem... 22:13.120 --> 22:16.600 There's a couple stipulations in the language that actually kind of addresses those. 22:16.960 --> 22:21.960 Now, it is not illegal in any way, shape, or form to block your caller ID from being 22:21.960 --> 22:22.720 sent completely. 22:23.180 --> 22:27.980 So if it's withheld or private or unknown, those circumstances are okay. 22:27.980 --> 22:33.980 So I believe that, you know, skip tracers or whomever can still do this under those 22:33.980 --> 22:34.580 stipulations. 22:35.040 --> 22:40.480 And it also specifically grants law enforcement officials the right to spoof caller ID. 22:41.680 --> 22:46.560 I don't know if skip tracers or bail enforcement agents are, you know, technically law enforcement 22:46.560 --> 22:46.940 agents. 22:47.140 --> 22:47.920 Correct me if I'm wrong. 22:48.220 --> 22:52.980 But at least those stipulations are made. 22:52.980 --> 22:58.660 But, I mean, to commit crime or, like, misleading or fraud, isn't fraud already illegal? 22:59.540 --> 23:01.000 Well, yeah, I guess it is. 23:01.120 --> 23:06.280 But I guess, see, it's one of those things that's vague or hard to define what fraud is, 23:06.300 --> 23:06.660 I guess. 23:07.760 --> 23:14.300 And even intent to defraud, I mean, does there have to be financial loss involved for the 23:14.300 --> 23:14.580 legal... 23:14.580 --> 23:16.620 I don't know what the legal definition of fraud is. 23:17.280 --> 23:17.720 Right. 23:17.840 --> 23:18.320 Well, good point. 23:18.320 --> 23:23.580 But, I mean, like, if someone calls up the police department and, you know, puts in a 23:23.580 --> 23:29.460 phony 911 call and they send SWAT team out to their house, is that not already illegal? 23:29.900 --> 23:30.540 Well, yeah. 23:30.600 --> 23:33.480 I mean, maybe it's not, but I would think it is. 23:33.660 --> 23:35.580 Yeah, I would think so, too. 23:35.680 --> 23:38.340 I mean, but I'm not sure what law it's breaking. 23:38.340 --> 23:47.500 If it's a fraud law or a misuse of a government, yeah, something, I just don't know what law 23:47.500 --> 23:48.560 would be broken with that. 23:50.200 --> 23:51.020 I don't know. 23:51.100 --> 23:51.380 Oh, yeah. 23:52.480 --> 23:57.340 Speaking of 911 calls and the misappropriation of law enforcement... 23:57.340 --> 23:58.280 How's that for a segue? 23:59.400 --> 24:00.460 I got a visitor. 24:00.640 --> 24:01.260 I got a couple... 24:01.260 --> 24:04.920 I got a visit from the San Diego Police Department on Saturday. 24:05.060 --> 24:07.580 I wasn't home at the time, but... 24:07.580 --> 24:07.980 Luckily. 24:07.980 --> 24:09.740 They came over and my landlord answered. 24:11.420 --> 24:17.420 Apparently, someone from my house had been calling 911, and this is an unlisted number. 24:17.540 --> 24:18.800 I mean, nobody has... 24:18.800 --> 24:22.600 I think you're the first person I'm giving it to, and that was yesterday after the fact. 24:22.760 --> 24:23.160 Mm-hmm. 24:23.880 --> 24:25.440 So I found out what happened. 24:26.120 --> 24:34.940 I have recently been helping the Beeve test his iWAR program out of the CSV version, and, 24:34.940 --> 24:36.560 you know, Beeve did a great job. 24:36.560 --> 24:38.800 I found a little tiny bug, you know, not a big deal. 24:39.120 --> 24:43.440 He has a blacklist that does not allow you to dial certain numbers, like the White House 24:43.440 --> 24:45.600 or 411 or, incidentally, 911. 24:45.600 --> 24:46.600 Right. 24:46.600 --> 24:47.700 So all is cool and good there. 24:47.700 --> 24:49.080 If you try to dial, it just won't work. 24:49.080 --> 24:54.560 Incidentally, he's also got an option that will allow you to save your scan progress and reload 24:54.560 --> 24:55.120 it later. 24:55.640 --> 24:59.820 And on the command line, for ease of use, you can specify the area code, the exchange, and 24:59.820 --> 25:02.420 then the range of extensions that you'd like to scan. 25:02.420 --> 25:13.820 So while I was doing this, I was scanning, you know, 619, XXX, 9100 to 9150, I believe. 25:14.220 --> 25:14.540 51? 25:14.540 --> 25:18.560 Anyway, I canceled it, and I loaded back up, but I forgot to specify the 619 and then the 25:18.560 --> 25:20.360 area code. 25:20.360 --> 25:29.360 So it just loaded, only the extensions, 9100 through 9150, and as soon as it hit, 9110. 25:29.360 --> 25:29.920 9110. 25:30.920 --> 25:32.280 It called 911. 25:33.140 --> 25:33.680 And then... 25:33.680 --> 25:34.760 9111? 25:34.880 --> 25:36.520 And it called back at 9111. 25:36.700 --> 25:37.260 Oh, no. 25:37.260 --> 25:40.460 And it was just before I could, you know, speak in terms of the process, and it already called 25:40.460 --> 25:41.840 911 like three times. 25:41.900 --> 25:45.200 But I didn't really think anything of it, because I couldn't hear the voice through the modem 25:45.200 --> 25:45.580 speaker. 25:45.580 --> 25:49.460 So I was like, whatever, all right, let's go to Comic-Con, and we packed up the ship 25:49.460 --> 25:49.900 and left. 25:50.300 --> 25:53.600 And as I was pulling out, I saw the squad car drive by and didn't really think anything 25:53.600 --> 25:58.060 of it until my landlord called me freaking out, wanting to know if, you know, my girl 25:58.060 --> 26:00.800 was with me or if she'd been kidnapped or fell down the stairs or something. 26:02.840 --> 26:03.200 Wow. 26:03.280 --> 26:04.520 So that's a little excitement. 26:04.700 --> 26:08.980 Yeah, there's a little bug in the software that you might want to look into. 26:09.100 --> 26:10.160 But other than that, love the program. 26:10.240 --> 26:10.720 Be a good job. 26:10.860 --> 26:12.360 Did you say no? 26:12.360 --> 26:15.800 Oh, it was, sorry, that was just my war dialing gone bad. 26:15.940 --> 26:16.500 Fuck no. 26:16.620 --> 26:18.480 I said, oh, man, it must have been my cat. 26:18.640 --> 26:19.460 Sorry about that. 26:19.880 --> 26:20.880 My cat? 26:21.100 --> 26:23.380 What the fuck kind of cat do you have? 26:23.400 --> 26:26.820 If your cat can dial 911, I'll buy him right now. 26:27.440 --> 26:30.360 You know, what's worse is that my only phone in the house is a rotary. 26:32.300 --> 26:36.360 So that cat would have had to be like, really dial 911. 26:36.540 --> 26:36.780 Damn. 26:37.100 --> 26:39.000 I don't know what you've been training that cat to do. 26:40.440 --> 26:41.260 Oh, man. 26:41.260 --> 26:45.440 Actually, what's interesting, side, side, side note, if you look up polydactyl cats, 26:45.780 --> 26:49.900 the cats that have extra digits on their hands, and I swear to God, our cat has thumbs. 26:50.540 --> 26:50.900 Awesome. 26:51.160 --> 26:51.500 That is so cool. 26:51.500 --> 26:51.940 I'm not even joking. 26:52.100 --> 26:52.520 It's neat. 26:52.660 --> 26:53.600 Do they have claws on them? 26:54.180 --> 26:54.760 Oh, yeah. 26:54.860 --> 26:55.100 Oh, yeah. 26:55.460 --> 26:56.840 So they're fully functional thumbs. 26:56.920 --> 26:58.980 They're not like little things just hanging there dead. 26:59.880 --> 27:00.420 No, no. 27:00.500 --> 27:04.120 I mean, it looks like he can hold a pencil and write a ransom note if he needed to. 27:04.400 --> 27:05.520 That is so cool. 27:06.300 --> 27:07.040 Yeah, it's pretty sweet. 27:07.040 --> 27:10.160 I want a cat with six thumbs, or six with an extra thumb. 27:11.060 --> 27:13.140 Yeah, you know, I'm sure that you can buy them online. 27:13.640 --> 27:13.920 Polydactyl. 27:14.040 --> 27:15.320 I think I'm saying that right. 27:15.960 --> 27:18.300 It sounds like a fucking dinosaur cat. 27:18.600 --> 27:20.160 That was a polydactyl cat. 27:20.160 --> 27:27.440 It hurt where? 27:27.540 --> 27:28.240 Where, Savant? 27:28.280 --> 27:28.920 Where did it hurt? 27:28.960 --> 27:30.640 Our audience wants to know where did it hurt. 27:32.400 --> 27:34.460 I need a sip of this unsweetened crop. 27:34.900 --> 27:39.980 Well, while you take a sip of that, I'm going to send us into the email bag. 27:39.980 --> 28:01.960 And let's do some email this week. 28:02.020 --> 28:03.120 We have quite a bit of email. 28:03.640 --> 28:07.420 I'm going to go into my speed reading mode here to try to get through it quickly so we 28:07.420 --> 28:08.560 can get to our main topic. 28:08.560 --> 28:11.460 So, bear with me here. 28:11.620 --> 28:13.900 I am going to see how quickly we can get through this. 28:13.980 --> 28:18.040 Email number one comes from Greg, question mark. 28:18.940 --> 28:22.600 Greg says, how do I talk to you when you're live on the radio? 28:23.460 --> 28:25.160 Greg, we are not live on the radio. 28:25.360 --> 28:27.240 You don't talk to us live on the radio. 28:27.480 --> 28:27.860 Do not. 28:28.320 --> 28:32.720 Also, also, Greg, don't send emails and then turn on your autoresponder, please. 28:33.220 --> 28:33.620 Please. 28:34.440 --> 28:38.100 I don't know why people have an autoresponder on while they're sending you an email. 28:38.100 --> 28:42.280 And when you reply to them and explain, we're not live, and you get a bounce email back 28:42.280 --> 28:44.860 that says, sorry, but I'm away. 28:45.060 --> 28:49.680 Please leave your message has been queued and we'll be responded to in due time. 28:50.020 --> 28:51.220 It's not live either. 28:51.480 --> 28:52.160 Yeah, exactly. 28:52.900 --> 28:54.100 So, that's what I should have said. 28:54.260 --> 28:56.940 How do I talk to you live on the email tubes? 28:59.160 --> 29:01.080 Anyway, so no, we are not live. 29:01.400 --> 29:05.940 Ratchet and Strom did some live episodes, I think, a couple times, didn't they? 29:06.060 --> 29:07.440 And those were interesting. 29:07.560 --> 29:08.120 Those were fun. 29:08.120 --> 29:12.860 But, yeah, we, that was a very short-lived thing and kind of tough to do, made it tough 29:12.860 --> 29:14.240 to record, et cetera, et cetera. 29:14.960 --> 29:16.100 So, we don't do that. 29:16.220 --> 29:17.540 Haven't done that in a long time. 29:17.700 --> 29:24.080 So, thanks for wanting to chime in on something live, but it doesn't happen that way. 29:25.360 --> 29:25.960 Pre-recorded. 29:25.960 --> 29:31.400 Okay, email number two, email number two comes from Ryan. 29:31.480 --> 29:32.680 See, I'm doing my David Letterman now. 29:33.380 --> 29:35.700 Ryan says, this is a good one. 29:35.800 --> 29:38.180 Ryan says, quote, your mic is on. 29:38.300 --> 29:42.080 I clicked on the radio button and I'm getting a TV in the background and what sounds like 29:42.080 --> 29:43.160 somebody eating dinner. 29:43.600 --> 29:45.700 Just letting you know in case you didn't. 29:47.060 --> 29:53.140 So, yeah, I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? 29:53.520 --> 29:54.880 Watching TV and eating dinner. 29:54.880 --> 29:59.220 Okay, like, this is one of those emails where you're like, you know it's not possible, 29:59.620 --> 30:02.020 but you still check anyway because it's so weird. 30:02.680 --> 30:07.360 Like, I record this show on a whole separate computer machine on the other side of the 30:07.360 --> 30:11.420 hack cave here that's dedicated to recording the show and doing video editing. 30:11.500 --> 30:12.820 That's all this box does. 30:13.420 --> 30:17.600 So, it's not the one that's on my regular computer machine over there that I surf the 30:17.600 --> 30:22.600 interweb with and stuff like that, which also has a microphone on it, but I never use 30:22.600 --> 30:22.880 that. 30:22.880 --> 30:29.080 But, this one I only turn on while I'm recording the show and turn it off when I'm done. 30:29.160 --> 30:30.680 Again, the show being pre-recorded. 30:31.320 --> 30:35.320 So, there's no way I could be streaming live or have left it streaming live while I'm eating 30:35.320 --> 30:36.180 dinner or anything. 30:36.180 --> 30:43.420 But, yeah, I still felt the need for some reason to go check to see if, you know, somehow maybe 30:43.420 --> 30:46.080 the thing kicked in or I don't know. 30:46.240 --> 30:52.500 And, of course, I was not, but I did check the stream out and I clicked on the stream to 30:52.500 --> 30:53.400 listen to it myself. 30:53.400 --> 30:58.160 And, sure enough, I could hear, and this was many hours, I'd gotten the email later on 30:58.160 --> 31:01.100 when I got home late that night, so who knows how long it had been on. 31:01.100 --> 31:04.860 But, I did hear something streaming live. 31:05.380 --> 31:09.920 So, I'm not sure what it was or who it was or anything like that, but somebody was streaming 31:09.920 --> 31:10.300 live. 31:10.400 --> 31:12.080 I heard kind of a static sound in the background. 31:12.880 --> 31:16.060 I guess they were eating dinner and watching TV and fell asleep. 31:16.240 --> 31:17.760 It wouldn't be cool if I would have heard somebody snoring. 31:17.860 --> 31:18.660 That would have been kind of funny. 31:19.420 --> 31:27.640 But, yeah, sure enough, someone, and I'm guessing one of our shows that records live or that streams, 31:27.740 --> 31:29.460 I should say, that streams a live show. 31:29.820 --> 31:31.820 I'm looking over at you, Linux Link Tech Show. 31:31.880 --> 31:33.880 I'm not pointing fingers, but I'm looking in that direction. 31:34.840 --> 31:39.640 Forgot to turn off their microphone after they were done streaming, which I think is hilarious. 31:40.400 --> 31:43.680 I think that would have been so awesome if they would have said anything funny or juicy 31:43.680 --> 31:46.680 or embarrassing or something like that while it was going on. 31:46.760 --> 31:49.320 Like, they're eating dinner and watching prawn in the background. 31:49.500 --> 31:50.380 That would have been awesome. 31:50.940 --> 31:52.760 Oh, that would have been the greatest scene in the background. 31:52.980 --> 31:53.640 The sound of points. 31:53.640 --> 31:55.560 Oh, my gosh, what a great outtake that would have been. 31:55.580 --> 31:56.540 That would have been so awesome. 31:56.920 --> 32:02.060 So, I know that it was doing that for about 24 hours or so before we finally kicked the stream 32:02.060 --> 32:02.320 off. 32:02.320 --> 32:04.460 We left it going to try to figure out who it was. 32:05.080 --> 32:06.020 Never got around to it. 32:06.040 --> 32:09.800 We finally just kicked it and restarted the fallback so that the shows would kick in and 32:09.800 --> 32:10.820 we could keep going again. 32:10.960 --> 32:15.900 But, if, by any chance, anybody out there heard anything juicy or, even better yet, recorded 32:15.900 --> 32:16.080 it. 32:16.100 --> 32:17.900 I know some people record the streams overnight. 32:18.660 --> 32:23.540 If you got any of that recorded, send it on in and let's see what we got or skim through 32:23.540 --> 32:24.060 it for us. 32:24.100 --> 32:30.080 Even better yet, find the good parts and send them in and we'll air them somehow, somewhere. 32:30.080 --> 32:33.320 All right, let's see. 32:33.400 --> 32:35.500 Next email comes from Coding Monkey. 32:35.900 --> 32:38.300 Coding Monkey, our good friend across the pond there. 32:38.800 --> 32:41.380 Coding Monkey says, Hi, Stank and Savant. 32:41.760 --> 32:42.780 Greetings from England. 32:43.160 --> 32:45.240 Oh, do I have to do my English voice, my Austin Powers? 32:46.120 --> 32:46.280 No. 32:46.480 --> 32:47.320 I wouldn't. 32:47.440 --> 32:48.080 No, okay. 32:48.140 --> 32:48.660 I'm not going to try. 32:48.680 --> 32:49.400 It's a long email. 32:49.400 --> 32:51.920 Good point. 32:51.980 --> 32:53.880 I'm going to do it in my fast forward voice. 32:54.640 --> 32:54.820 Okay. 32:55.480 --> 32:59.980 Just finished listening to your episode on CCTV, that's closed circuit television, and it reminded 32:59.980 --> 33:03.440 me of a funny incident at work some eight years ago, thought you might be interested. 33:04.080 --> 33:10.760 Way back in 1999, he says, which Coding Monkey, you should know better, that is a non-Y2K compliant 33:10.760 --> 33:11.120 date. 33:11.660 --> 33:12.440 But I'm going to go with it. 33:12.440 --> 33:17.060 Way back in apostrophe 99, I worked for a certain large hardware company. 33:17.820 --> 33:19.240 Stuff was going missing at work. 33:19.400 --> 33:24.560 Small things at first, and people put it down to the stationary elves, ELFS, E-L-F-S. 33:24.900 --> 33:30.380 But then we lost a dev box, which cost something in the region of 30,000 pounds, which is probably 33:30.380 --> 33:31.980 around 40,000 U.S., I would think. 33:33.340 --> 33:36.080 We brought security in and demanded they call the police. 33:36.200 --> 33:39.860 They were strangely reluctant to do this and kept insisting that it was a waste of time. 33:39.860 --> 33:42.600 CCTV didn't extend to this part of building. 33:43.320 --> 33:47.120 So I got this idea of setting up a Logitech QuickCam, which came with some pretty nifty 33:47.120 --> 33:48.060 security software. 33:48.480 --> 33:53.180 Back then, webcams looked a little bit, looked a bit like mobile phones from the 80s, do, 33:53.320 --> 33:57.080 compared with today's slimline models, but it did the job and was motion activated, and 33:57.080 --> 34:01.100 best of all, automatically adjusted to different light conditions, and the video was surprisingly 34:01.100 --> 34:02.880 small in disk space terms. 34:03.060 --> 34:04.120 Woo, that was a long sentence. 34:04.240 --> 34:04.860 Holy crap. 34:05.820 --> 34:06.860 Oh, man. 34:07.860 --> 34:08.920 Yeah, I lightheaded on that. 34:08.920 --> 34:13.320 To my surprise, my boss took me up on the offer, and I was given some hours and a bit 34:13.320 --> 34:18.240 of cash to knock up a secret CCTV system, and only me and my boss knew about this. 34:18.780 --> 34:22.800 My desk faced a large pile of boxes at the time, so I took the large cardboard box and 34:22.800 --> 34:24.060 used a... 34:24.060 --> 34:25.000 What the hell? 34:25.080 --> 34:25.660 What is that? 34:26.040 --> 34:26.920 B-I-R-O? 34:27.440 --> 34:28.000 A biro? 34:28.100 --> 34:28.500 A biro? 34:28.600 --> 34:29.020 What the hell? 34:29.120 --> 34:30.060 To punch a hole through? 34:30.500 --> 34:32.240 I think it's a rubber penis. 34:33.060 --> 34:34.260 Oh, oh, a biro? 34:34.260 --> 34:35.480 Oh, biro. 34:35.700 --> 34:36.580 Oh, of course. 34:36.580 --> 34:40.660 So I took a large cardboard box and used a rubber penis to punch a hole through. 34:40.980 --> 34:46.300 I filled the box with smaller boxes as a rest for the camera to line it up with the 34:46.300 --> 34:51.480 hole, and then I looped the USB cable for the cam through the bottom of the box and into 34:51.480 --> 34:58.100 my own PC, and pointed the rubber penis hole at my open desk locker, which I then filled 34:58.100 --> 35:02.300 with expensive and tempting hardware, like a DVD player. 35:02.300 --> 35:06.740 It was probably the cheapest, most hacked-together security system ever, but it worked. 35:06.860 --> 35:07.300 You know what? 35:07.580 --> 35:09.640 As long as it works, that's the whole point of hacking. 35:11.100 --> 35:14.720 Sure enough, along with videos of security borrowing the DVD player to watch at night 35:14.720 --> 35:18.580 instead of monitoring the cameras, we also caught our man, the same security guard who 35:18.580 --> 35:22.840 told us it wasn't worth going to the police, turned up at my desk, in the dark, wearing 35:22.840 --> 35:27.220 old clothes, and borrowed an expensive PC video card. 35:27.700 --> 35:32.000 Later, we saw he returned it, wiping it down with his sleeve to remove the prints. 35:32.300 --> 35:38.060 To my disgust, the law weren't informed because the site manager thought this might count 35:38.060 --> 35:42.520 as entrapment, despite the fact that the building had warnings, CC's TV, and Operation 35:42.520 --> 35:43.640 posted on every wall. 35:44.280 --> 35:49.760 But, this cowboy security company, Inc., didn't get their contract renewed again that year. 35:50.280 --> 35:53.660 Guess the moral of the story is just because you've got cameras doesn't mean your site is 35:53.660 --> 35:57.120 secure, and I personally would never trust the watchers. 35:57.120 --> 35:59.560 Thank you, Coding Monkey. 35:59.740 --> 36:03.280 And yes, somebody has to watch the watchers. 36:03.400 --> 36:07.520 That's one of the phrases that I think cannot be repeated. 36:08.220 --> 36:12.860 You know, you have to trust the watchers, and obviously, in your case, the watcher was the 36:12.860 --> 36:16.320 one who was committing the crime and gaffling your equipment. 36:16.320 --> 36:19.340 So, who watches the watchers? 36:19.420 --> 36:20.440 Who watches the watchmen? 36:22.280 --> 36:23.260 Anything to add on that one? 36:23.760 --> 36:28.160 Let me get a sip of my Kool-Aid here, if you've got anything to add on that little story. 36:28.420 --> 36:29.000 Yeah, I do. 36:29.140 --> 36:36.420 I mean, that's a badass setup, but what I don't get is he wiped it down and returned it. 36:36.820 --> 36:38.140 He wiped his fingerprints off. 36:38.200 --> 36:38.840 Yeah, that's weird. 36:39.980 --> 36:41.080 That is kind of strange. 36:41.080 --> 36:45.700 Which, I mean, it sounds like, I don't know, did you guys get all the other stuff back? 36:45.880 --> 36:48.500 You know, what about that death box? 36:48.600 --> 36:49.740 Anyway, I don't know. 36:49.900 --> 36:53.720 I guess I'm a little sad that he returned it after the end. 36:53.800 --> 36:58.800 It would have been really sweet to get a righteous bust on these guys with your, you know, ghetto 36:58.800 --> 37:01.520 closed circuit televisions. 37:01.520 --> 37:06.620 Also, what about, you know, their concern, and I think it's a valid one, because I don't 37:06.620 --> 37:09.940 know the legalities, but is it entrapment? 37:10.020 --> 37:11.480 I don't think that's entrapment. 37:11.720 --> 37:15.520 I mean, setting up cameras to capture them is not entrapment in and of itself. 37:16.300 --> 37:18.040 And do they even have entrapment in England? 37:18.140 --> 37:18.860 I don't even know. 37:19.420 --> 37:23.180 But anyway, that doesn't constitute entrapment the way I understand it. 37:23.400 --> 37:24.460 I mean... 37:24.460 --> 37:26.160 Not by at least American standards. 37:26.160 --> 37:31.540 Yeah, I mean, maybe it would be a stretch if you say you placed it, the item to be stolen, 37:31.680 --> 37:37.660 out on the desk, tempting him to pick it up, like putting it out and obvious to lure him 37:37.660 --> 37:40.000 in, but that's not the case, it doesn't sound like. 37:40.300 --> 37:41.520 You placed the camera where... 37:41.520 --> 37:45.080 Maybe he put it on his desk, on the security guard's desk, and that might be entrapment. 37:45.140 --> 37:45.680 Yeah, it might be. 37:46.620 --> 37:47.000 You know? 37:47.200 --> 37:47.480 Anyway. 37:47.940 --> 37:48.440 I don't know. 37:48.520 --> 37:49.280 That's kind of a... 37:49.280 --> 37:50.640 That's an interesting one there. 37:50.720 --> 37:53.460 Especially that you've got it labeled, though, that it's all being recorded. 37:53.460 --> 37:55.260 So I think that covers you quite a bit. 37:56.160 --> 37:56.300 Right. 37:56.440 --> 37:58.220 At least by any reasonable standards. 37:58.640 --> 38:03.560 But, I mean, one thing that could be considered is you might want to not tip your hand at that 38:03.560 --> 38:07.240 point if all he took was a video card that he gave back. 38:07.800 --> 38:12.800 Maybe you want to keep your Sly James Bond setup secret a little longer to see if it takes 38:12.800 --> 38:13.480 bigger bait. 38:13.740 --> 38:17.060 Yeah, until he takes another 30,000-pound server, then you nail him. 38:17.780 --> 38:18.160 Right. 38:18.260 --> 38:19.560 Then you just nail him to the wall. 38:19.740 --> 38:20.080 Right. 38:20.780 --> 38:22.640 Anyway, that's a slick setup, Coding Monkey. 38:22.700 --> 38:23.120 Good work. 38:23.120 --> 38:23.820 Good stuff. 38:23.820 --> 38:25.280 Let's see. 38:25.360 --> 38:26.780 Next email comes from Vic. 38:26.980 --> 38:27.940 Vic says, greets. 38:28.040 --> 38:29.660 I have some Java quickies. 38:30.420 --> 38:35.940 Following up, of course, on episode 195, where Not Theory and I discussed Java some more. 38:37.040 --> 38:42.620 Vic says, one, Sun does have a nice F-O-S-S-I-D-E NetBeans. 38:42.760 --> 38:45.120 It is quite good and very comparable to Eclipse. 38:45.280 --> 38:46.680 I'm surprised that no one mentioned it. 38:46.680 --> 38:49.680 I believe you mentioned Forte in one of the shows. 38:49.840 --> 38:52.760 NetBeans is a descendant of Forte. 38:52.820 --> 38:58.960 I think I certainly wouldn't have no confidence in saying this, but I thought Not Theory mentioned 38:58.960 --> 39:01.380 that on one of the episodes, but I could be wrong. 39:01.380 --> 39:07.100 Two, if you think Java is slow and not suitable for games, check out Jake2. 39:08.100 --> 39:10.960 I guess I probably should have tiny URL'd this, but you know what? 39:10.980 --> 39:14.660 You guys can Google Jake2, J-A-K-E-2, and probably find it. 39:14.900 --> 39:17.260 It's a Java port of the Quake 2 engine. 39:17.760 --> 39:19.480 Check out the benchmarks page. 39:19.560 --> 39:21.320 I think you'll be impressed. 39:22.760 --> 39:24.440 Thank you, Vic, for the email. 39:24.640 --> 39:30.060 Now, you know, I appreciate the email, and I'm just going to, I'm not even going to say 39:30.060 --> 39:32.460 this is devil's advocate, because I do feel like this. 39:33.680 --> 39:39.380 I don't think that's really a good defense, your second thing there about Java being suitable 39:39.380 --> 39:40.000 for games. 39:40.460 --> 39:43.740 You're giving me one example, Quake 2. 39:43.740 --> 39:48.320 And I'm not a gamer, Sivan, I don't know if you know, but Quake 2 is not even a new 39:48.320 --> 39:48.520 game. 39:48.580 --> 39:49.380 That's old, right? 39:49.960 --> 39:50.940 It's pretty old, man. 39:50.940 --> 39:52.280 Yeah, that's an older game, I thought. 39:52.340 --> 39:54.520 I'm not big into that, but I thought that was an older game. 39:54.700 --> 40:01.560 So, using A, an old game, that's many years old, outdated, as an example for Java, is not 40:01.560 --> 40:06.020 exactly the most impressive thing, and B, that's it? 40:06.080 --> 40:07.000 That's only one? 40:07.060 --> 40:08.880 That's the only example that I've seen? 40:08.980 --> 40:12.720 I mean, you're not seeing stuff like, I don't know, World of Warcraft, is that still the 40:12.720 --> 40:13.280 new hotness? 40:13.360 --> 40:13.820 I don't know. 40:14.260 --> 40:14.980 I wouldn't know. 40:15.180 --> 40:16.660 Yeah, new games and stuff like that. 40:16.740 --> 40:19.720 I mean, why aren't those being ported and run over on Java? 40:19.800 --> 40:21.120 There's certainly a reason from it. 40:21.120 --> 40:26.820 I mean, if you want to defend and say that it's good for using in-game, good to be, can 40:26.820 --> 40:31.260 run games well, I guess is what I'm trying to say, then, you know, it needs to be running 40:31.260 --> 40:36.000 modern games, up to date, even a generation behind, not three or four generations behind. 40:36.940 --> 40:40.560 Although, I mean, let me defend him as devil's advocate. 40:40.560 --> 40:45.420 If you look at the games for your phones nowadays that are written in Java, I gotta say that 40:45.420 --> 40:51.800 anything close to Quake, Quake 2, is just beat off of, you know, Sudoku for J2ME or something. 40:52.780 --> 40:55.640 So, I mean, maybe that's where they should take it, take the cell phones. 40:55.640 --> 41:02.100 Well, and they do, I mean, Java's definitely good for, like, puzzle games and card games 41:02.100 --> 41:06.120 and those little, you know, it does graphics and stuff like that, but as far as the number 41:06.120 --> 41:12.700 crunching and the geometry that's involved in 3D games and stuff like that and on-the-fly 41:12.700 --> 41:15.140 rendering, I don't know. 41:15.220 --> 41:17.800 I'm not saying it's bad, but I have never seen it before. 41:17.800 --> 41:22.800 I mean, game companies spend millions of dollars these days developing games. 41:22.900 --> 41:26.900 Just tremendous amount of research and looking into this kind of stuff. 41:27.000 --> 41:31.620 Believe me, they don't want to have to port a game to how many different consoles that are 41:31.620 --> 41:35.400 out there now and a PC and a Mac and yada, yada, all these different things. 41:35.760 --> 41:36.660 They don't want to do that. 41:36.660 --> 41:41.540 If there was one solution, the whole Java, write once, run anywhere thing that we argued 41:41.540 --> 41:46.700 about, game companies would be all over that, like, stink on shit. 41:46.800 --> 41:51.700 If they could get their damn game written once and run everywhere, they would be all over 41:51.700 --> 41:52.060 Java. 41:52.380 --> 41:54.840 There's obviously a reason they don't do that. 41:54.940 --> 41:59.880 The gaming companies have not seen the power and support that they need, and that's why they're 41:59.880 --> 42:01.160 not developing for it. 42:01.160 --> 42:07.980 So the actions of the big gaming companies says a lot, unless there's some big conspiracy 42:07.980 --> 42:11.020 theory there that I don't know about, and I don't know about it. 42:11.060 --> 42:13.160 I'm not into that side of the scene, I guess. 42:14.700 --> 42:17.980 Yeah, I don't know anything, and if I did, they wouldn't let me talk about it. 42:18.300 --> 42:20.740 Ah, so you're part of the problem there, aren't you? 42:21.620 --> 42:22.800 I don't know what you're talking about. 42:23.680 --> 42:26.500 We'll move on before the overlords come down. 42:27.540 --> 42:28.200 Hail Java. 42:28.200 --> 42:34.260 Speaking of hail Java, our next email comes from Lord Collis. 42:34.460 --> 42:35.700 Hail Lord Collis. 42:36.440 --> 42:37.800 Lord, I guess I'm pronouncing that. 42:37.920 --> 42:39.180 Kate Collis? 42:39.280 --> 42:39.840 Yeah, it's got to be. 42:40.700 --> 42:41.980 Hola, senor dog. 42:42.100 --> 42:43.320 What's hack-a-lackin'? 42:43.320 --> 42:46.480 I am just listening to 196, I think it is. 42:47.100 --> 42:48.720 Always have loved your show. 42:48.820 --> 42:53.320 In fact, I think you're the reason I no longer listen to Off the Hook, and that's not a bad 42:53.320 --> 42:53.660 thing. 42:53.740 --> 42:56.320 Nothing against 2600, but yeah. 42:56.320 --> 42:59.240 At any rate, I have two questions. 42:59.400 --> 43:00.680 Fuck that three, lol. 43:01.980 --> 43:02.300 Lol. 43:03.080 --> 43:06.400 This email's getting rougher the further it goes in. 43:07.120 --> 43:07.400 Okay. 43:08.700 --> 43:09.140 One. 43:09.320 --> 43:10.380 Can I be unbanned? 43:10.540 --> 43:10.780 No. 43:11.740 --> 43:19.060 I forget what the fuck I got baned from the forums, but it's probably spelling based on 43:19.060 --> 43:25.880 this email from the forums, but I can sign in, but I can't m-slash-post, which really doesn't 43:25.880 --> 43:32.020 bother me much, cause I'm a lurker, but I think I was trying to demonstrate a script 43:32.020 --> 43:35.820 kitty exploit, and what happens when you try one that has been patched to a friend of mine. 43:35.940 --> 43:36.140 Lol. 43:36.140 --> 43:36.620 Lol. 43:36.820 --> 43:40.660 At any rate, I want to be unbanned, so what Gibson shall I hack? 43:40.760 --> 43:43.220 I mean, if you want, slash shrug. 43:44.360 --> 43:44.760 Two. 43:44.940 --> 43:46.440 Can I be an agent of the revolution? 43:46.740 --> 43:46.980 No. 43:47.480 --> 43:49.280 Like I said, I'm a lurker. 43:50.140 --> 43:50.500 Lol. 43:51.220 --> 43:52.860 But I know I can contribute. 43:54.140 --> 43:55.560 I know I can contribute. 43:55.720 --> 43:57.880 I just refuse to make certain things public. 43:58.800 --> 43:59.040 Three. 43:59.280 --> 44:06.080 You guys seem like you, um, W2EF you call it, would like to do more episodes. 44:06.400 --> 44:07.260 Can I do one? 44:07.400 --> 44:07.700 No. 44:08.180 --> 44:08.400 Oh. 44:09.160 --> 44:09.600 Warning. 44:10.060 --> 44:12.580 It'd be on a very black hat topic. 44:13.180 --> 44:15.420 Organize cybercrime for fun and profit. 44:15.680 --> 44:17.800 Educational purposes only, yada yada. 44:17.980 --> 44:18.260 Lol. 44:18.820 --> 44:21.880 This is a one lolin' motherfucker right here, boy. 44:22.560 --> 44:23.140 He did it all. 44:23.140 --> 44:26.080 All I have to say is fear, period, anyway, period. 44:26.080 --> 44:28.900 He did it all for the lols. 44:29.640 --> 44:34.040 Uh, now don't get me wrong, I am not going to encourage people to get pooped by the feds. 44:35.680 --> 44:36.340 Wait a minute. 44:37.780 --> 44:44.080 I'm just picturing, picturing the pope with his cane and his pontiff and just fucking poking people. 44:44.740 --> 44:49.140 We need, we need a graphic, we need, we need somebody to photoshop a graphic with a picture 44:49.140 --> 44:51.200 of the pope and a FBI badge. 44:52.980 --> 44:53.900 Oh, shit. 44:53.900 --> 44:57.360 But, poked, I, I'm, I guess he meant popped or, or poked. 44:57.360 --> 44:57.860 Yeah, yeah. 44:58.020 --> 44:58.820 He could have meant poked. 44:59.300 --> 45:02.160 Either way, I don't know what, whatever, I don't want either one of them. 45:02.180 --> 45:03.280 I don't want to get popped or poked. 45:04.120 --> 45:05.160 Or poked then popped. 45:05.640 --> 45:10.060 Um, encourage people to get poked by the feds, but I know a lot of three letter agencies are 45:10.060 --> 45:11.940 looking for people who know their stuff, so. 45:11.940 --> 45:17.760 I, this guy's got like a, he must have a copyright on dot dot dot as well. 45:18.200 --> 45:21.500 It can lead to a good job opportunity for those interested. 45:22.500 --> 45:26.280 So yeah, I shouldn't really send this to Radio at BinRev, I guess. 45:27.160 --> 45:33.340 I goo is, but I wanted to do a show, La Mafia, since you guys are fucking lazy. 45:33.460 --> 45:33.980 Just kidding. 45:33.980 --> 45:38.200 So I'll trust the android who checks the email to forward this to the correct decision-making 45:38.200 --> 45:38.880 dictators. 45:39.440 --> 45:39.840 KWAPLA! 45:41.500 --> 45:41.900 KWAPLA! 45:43.380 --> 45:45.420 That was as good as I could do in Klingon. 45:45.580 --> 45:49.360 I actually had to look that up, because I'm like, what the fuck is KWAPLA? 45:50.320 --> 45:56.020 It was too random to not be random, to be random, so I had to look it up, and apparently 45:56.020 --> 45:58.780 KWAPLA is the Klingon word for success. 46:00.520 --> 46:01.980 So, thank you for that. 46:01.980 --> 46:06.940 You know, and we're joking with you a little bit here, but yeah, this is a, it kind of 46:06.940 --> 46:11.480 gives me an opportunity to get this out there, because I get asked this question a lot from 46:11.480 --> 46:17.200 email, private message, the occasional bitching PM on IRC, why was I banned? 46:17.500 --> 46:18.720 Well, okay, seriously. 46:19.580 --> 46:22.220 As far as ban a nation, dude, I don't know what happened. 46:23.120 --> 46:26.500 First of all, I'm assuming you mean the forums, not IRC or some other stuff. 46:28.120 --> 46:31.560 But the moderating team handles all that, and I'm just one small part of that. 46:31.980 --> 46:35.700 I honestly don't remember, don't know who you are, why you were banned. 46:36.580 --> 46:38.140 I don't know the story at all. 46:38.620 --> 46:42.340 If you're permabanned, though, you know, we have temp ban, and then we have permabanned. 46:42.400 --> 46:47.000 If you do something really bad, and you really have to go, you really have to screw up pretty 46:47.000 --> 46:48.060 bad to get permabanned. 46:48.060 --> 46:54.840 People that go out blazing and posting a bunch of crap in the forums, spamming us to death, 46:55.360 --> 47:01.620 dropping docs on whatever, posting something that's just completely illegal and obviously 47:01.620 --> 47:07.800 illegal, attempting to get people in trouble, repeated abusing of people on the forums of 47:07.800 --> 47:09.180 our other members we're not going to allow. 47:09.500 --> 47:11.940 So you really have to do something pretty bad to get permabanned. 47:11.940 --> 47:15.580 I don't know if you did any of those, but if you did, then no, you're not going to get 47:15.580 --> 47:17.200 unbanned, period, end of story. 47:17.800 --> 47:23.840 And people, I just banned a couple people this past, actually yesterday, the day before 47:23.840 --> 47:28.000 yesterday, I don't know, the last couple days I had to ban some returning visitors from 47:28.000 --> 47:33.320 long, long ago that still aren't welcome back in anything that I do, but I digress. 47:33.940 --> 47:38.100 Now, if it was a temp ban, then yes, we'll usually allow you to come back. 47:38.100 --> 47:39.940 You're going to have to take some time to cool off. 47:40.020 --> 47:44.440 I think what we've established is that you're going to be off for six months if you get temp 47:44.440 --> 47:44.740 banned. 47:45.100 --> 47:48.520 After six months, we'll take one of those strikes away from you. 47:48.560 --> 47:49.540 We have a three strikes rule. 47:49.620 --> 47:52.260 We'll take one of the warrens away and you'll come back with two warrens. 47:52.620 --> 47:54.080 So you're still on the borderline. 47:54.140 --> 47:58.040 You still better mind your P's and Q's, but yes, we will allow people back into the forums. 47:58.960 --> 48:02.540 So that's really pretty much all there is to it. 48:02.620 --> 48:04.940 Like I said, you have to do something pretty bad to get permabanned. 48:04.940 --> 48:11.300 And I mean, there's probably less than 10 to 20 people in all of time that we've permabanned 48:11.300 --> 48:11.980 from the forums. 48:13.160 --> 48:16.120 I mean, if you looked at the banned list, you'll probably see quite a few, but most of those 48:16.120 --> 48:19.140 are spammers, spambots and stuff like that we put into the banned group. 48:20.600 --> 48:29.340 But yeah, so now I probably shouldn't say this and seal our forums admin and our monitoring 48:29.340 --> 48:30.620 team will probably yell at me about this. 48:30.620 --> 48:34.000 But your best bet, if you want to get back in there, is to probably create a new account. 48:34.720 --> 48:36.980 But that is against the rules as well. 48:37.040 --> 48:38.160 Let me just say that up front. 48:38.360 --> 48:40.200 We do not allow multiple accounts. 48:40.260 --> 48:45.120 If you're coming back to make another account just to avoid banation, we're going to find 48:45.120 --> 48:46.380 it and you're going to get banned again. 48:46.440 --> 48:53.040 So if you think you're going to come back as something 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever, 4.0, then 48:53.040 --> 48:54.460 no, you're still not welcome back. 48:54.520 --> 48:56.400 You're permabanned, you're permabanned, whatever. 48:56.400 --> 49:01.620 However, we don't have the time to, and you know, just be realistic, we don't have the 49:01.620 --> 49:03.620 time to go through and check every new member that registers. 49:04.200 --> 49:09.080 So if you register in such a way that there's no connection to your old account, don't come 49:09.080 --> 49:13.200 from the same IP address, don't type the same way you did in the old one, don't do the 49:13.200 --> 49:18.420 same, make the same mistakes that you did before, then, you know, quite honestly, you'll 49:18.420 --> 49:21.540 probably fly under the radar and you won't be seen. 49:21.540 --> 49:25.200 But, you know, you get banned one day and you register the very next day, we're probably 49:25.200 --> 49:27.300 going to put two and two together and figure it out. 49:28.520 --> 49:33.220 Especially, you know, we've busted people, and this is, this is funny, we've busted people 49:33.220 --> 49:37.580 for, they came back and they thought they were slick, different name, different email 49:37.580 --> 49:42.160 account, different IP coming through proxies, coming through Tor, and come to find out that 49:42.160 --> 49:45.140 they were using a signature that was stored on the same server as their old account. 49:45.640 --> 49:49.300 You know, you think we're not going to notice that you're serving off of your same old 49:49.300 --> 49:51.100 signature file from your old account. 49:52.020 --> 49:57.100 I mean, that's kind of boneheaded, you're not a good hacksaw, you know, if you're going 49:57.100 --> 49:58.420 to miss little things like that. 49:59.440 --> 50:04.940 So, yeah, just, if you come back and you behave yourself, then you usually will squeak by. 50:05.340 --> 50:09.940 If you get found out or if you get caught, don't cry or act as surprised when you do get 50:09.940 --> 50:14.740 the second account banned, because it is against the rules, but if you come back and behave, 50:14.740 --> 50:17.520 then you usually will, again, kind of fly under the radar. 50:19.320 --> 50:22.580 Second question, though, to be an agent, yeah, you don't ask. 50:22.640 --> 50:28.260 It's one of those things where, what is it, don't call us, we'll call you, type thing. 50:29.380 --> 50:33.860 Agents are, you know, kind of the best and brightest from BinRev, I like to think, and 50:33.860 --> 50:38.200 these are the people that are active in the forums, active in IRC projects and stuff like 50:38.200 --> 50:41.260 that, and we invite people to be agents of the revolution. 50:41.260 --> 50:46.240 These are people that we have respect for, that we appreciate, and we want to kind of 50:46.240 --> 50:51.840 show them that we appreciate them and let them know, so they get access to a special 50:51.840 --> 50:56.920 agents-only forum where they discuss things that are a little bit more, what's the word, 50:57.020 --> 51:01.940 private, a little bit more underground, stuff that we don't want publicly abused or seen 51:01.940 --> 51:08.620 yet, discuss things privately, different projects, things like that, and we try to give the agents 51:08.620 --> 51:12.100 to the revolution, and they give us, as well, sneak peeks at other things that are coming 51:12.100 --> 51:17.500 up, projects that they're working on, sharing information internally with other people that 51:17.500 --> 51:22.580 we trust, since we all have kind of a bond, we've all kind of proven ourselves, and we 51:22.580 --> 51:27.400 have, you know, the t-shirts that I mentioned earlier, we actually put those in the agents 51:27.400 --> 51:31.820 forum early, so they had a good chance to preview those and give us some feedback and 51:31.820 --> 51:40.060 comments, as well as, exactly, that's where all the Natus Prawn is, and we're going to 51:40.060 --> 51:43.100 give them, you know, the agents are going to get a first shot at purchasing the shirts 51:43.100 --> 51:49.700 too, so we will put them up for the agents only before we release them everywhere else. 51:50.980 --> 51:56.180 What else, let's see, and yeah, it's basically something that you earn, you don't ask for, 51:56.300 --> 52:00.660 it's just you come in, you contribute to the forums, we will see it, we do see everything 52:00.660 --> 52:04.580 that goes on in the forums, we may not be able to remember and single out each individual 52:04.580 --> 52:09.240 event, but it's just human nature, if we see somebody doing positive things and helping 52:09.240 --> 52:13.960 out and contributing it, we do see that, we do see who our good regular contributors 52:13.960 --> 52:19.820 are, and we do appreciate it, and we do try to let them know, so come to the community, 52:20.180 --> 52:25.940 contribute over time, earn that trust, and we're always adding people to that, I just added 52:25.940 --> 52:29.920 a few more people to the agents group in the last, I think about a week, last weekend, 52:29.920 --> 52:36.260 so it's always moving, it's always growing, we're always adding people in there, so if 52:36.260 --> 52:40.680 you want to be an agent of the revolution, just stick around, contribute, and you will 52:40.680 --> 52:41.220 be noticed. 52:42.360 --> 52:48.820 And the last thing here on, in terms of more episodes of the show, I'm going to go through 52:48.820 --> 52:52.660 this quickly as time's starting to run low here, but we had some timing issues with some 52:52.660 --> 52:56.220 of the hosts, and the bottom line is we just had to accept the fact that we can't do it 52:56.220 --> 53:01.340 weekly anymore, can't do the show weekly right now, but we are already looking ahead, making 53:01.340 --> 53:06.340 plans to the future to resolve that situation, so thank you for the offer for that, but I 53:06.340 --> 53:10.540 know people are used to us doing the show every single week, and people look forward to the 53:10.540 --> 53:14.500 show every week, I look forward to doing the show every week, but reality unfortunately 53:14.500 --> 53:19.500 dictated otherwise, so we are still trying to do the best we can, finish out season four 53:19.500 --> 53:24.280 here, and then starting with the next season we will talk about and work out something 53:24.280 --> 53:25.960 for the future of the show. 53:26.060 --> 53:29.620 Now in the meantime, I kind of mentioned this at the top of the show, you can check out 53:29.620 --> 53:36.540 TWA Tech Radio, Today with a Techie, at twatech.org, which is always looking for good hosts and 53:36.540 --> 53:41.300 episodes, if you want to record an episode, get with Enigma over there, the contact information 53:41.300 --> 53:41.960 is on the site. 53:43.740 --> 53:48.660 And about the black hat nature of the topic, be careful, there's nothing wrong with black 53:48.660 --> 53:52.700 hat, we've done black hat topics on BinRev Radio before, it's just that you have to 53:52.700 --> 53:56.980 be careful that you do it from an analytical standpoint, there's nothing wrong with studying 53:56.980 --> 54:03.500 these questionable topics, I mean, education, discussion, learning, that's what we're all 54:03.500 --> 54:08.680 about, that's what we stand for, but we don't want to encourage people, and we don't encourage 54:08.680 --> 54:12.900 people to break the law or do something that's stupid or illegal. 54:13.780 --> 54:18.220 Black hat topics in and of themselves are not illegal to discuss, you need to study them, you 54:18.220 --> 54:23.260 need to debate and educate people on those subject matters, and how to defend against them, how 54:23.260 --> 54:29.880 they work, you know, it's interesting material, it doesn't make it okay or right to do those 54:29.880 --> 54:34.700 things, but it is okay to discuss, so we don't intentionally turn a blind eye towards black 54:34.700 --> 54:39.300 hat topics, and we have, you know, kind of walked that gray line, walked on that tightrope 54:39.300 --> 54:43.420 sometimes, but it's all about how you approach the topic that really matters. 54:43.420 --> 54:48.700 So if you think you can do that, then yeah, contact, go over there and check out TWA Tech 54:48.700 --> 54:53.440 Radio and see if you can do an episode of that show, and hey, it may take off and it may 54:53.440 --> 54:59.420 do really well, so I would suggest that as your next cause of action. 54:59.420 --> 55:05.320 And, how do you feel, you feel like reading an email here so I can get a drink of, I think 55:05.320 --> 55:07.400 I'm starting to lose my voice here, there's a little Kool-Aid. 55:07.660 --> 55:09.580 Here's Kool-Aid, alright, yeah, I'll jump in. 55:10.460 --> 55:13.140 So the next email we have is from Sergeant Redneck. 55:13.380 --> 55:17.840 Yeah, I've been listening to, I've been listening to BinRev on and off for the past year or so, 55:17.980 --> 55:18.800 maybe even longer. 55:18.980 --> 55:20.960 I seem to lose all kinds of time when I get older. 55:21.160 --> 55:22.060 Damn, I know what you mean. 55:22.580 --> 55:24.800 Anyways, I love the show, keep up the great work. 55:24.800 --> 55:29.880 I was going back into the old episodes, I listened to episode 75, one of the telephonic 55:29.880 --> 55:35.040 craptaculars, I got to thinking, even though it is getting harder to do, if perhaps you 55:35.040 --> 55:38.600 could try to squeeze in another one for $200 or $225 or something. 55:39.100 --> 55:43.280 I just find them amusing because they really show the power of social engineering when he 55:43.280 --> 55:45.000 says SE, but I'm assuming that's what he means. 55:45.660 --> 55:49.660 Not only that, but it's also cool to see that phone freaking is still somewhat possible. 55:50.300 --> 55:53.620 I was born too late to get to mess with a rant with that shit when it was popular. 55:53.620 --> 55:59.140 Finally, bringing my rant to an end, I wonder what podcast Eddie, Stank, or whoever is doing 55:59.140 --> 56:00.480 the show this week listens to. 56:00.740 --> 56:01.080 P.S. 56:01.440 --> 56:03.500 Whoop, Perl, Sergeant Redneck. 56:04.000 --> 56:04.560 Sergeant Redneck. 56:04.560 --> 56:08.240 Okay, let me just jump in there real fast with a few things that I can answer. 56:09.620 --> 56:12.760 As far as phone freaking being dead, it's really not dead. 56:12.940 --> 56:13.560 It's dormant. 56:13.680 --> 56:18.480 It's definitely changed shape, but there is a lot of the stuff that still works, a lot 56:18.480 --> 56:22.640 of the stuff that, well, that stopped working more or less, and a lot of the things that 56:22.640 --> 56:23.980 have just changed shape completely. 56:24.980 --> 56:29.300 I highly recommend reading Royals' article on red boxing in the now. 56:29.740 --> 56:31.100 That's pretty comprehensive. 56:31.640 --> 56:38.200 Black Ratchet had a talk at Hope 6 that covered a lot of phone history and phone freaking, and 56:38.200 --> 56:42.980 I think you'll find out that with the proliferation of voice over IP that a lot of the stuff that 56:42.980 --> 56:45.300 used to not be possible anymore is possible. 56:45.300 --> 56:50.800 Once again, ProjectMF.com is something like FiberOptic out of New York, where he tried to 56:50.800 --> 56:53.060 bring blue boxing back through Asterisk. 56:53.940 --> 56:59.660 As far as podcasts, I don't get the chance to listen to as many as I'd like to anymore, 56:59.800 --> 57:02.900 but one that I do like security-related is called Spoikast. 57:03.840 --> 57:07.160 Harrison and the crew over there do a really good job, and I really like listening to that 57:07.160 --> 57:12.080 one, and Twisted Pair Radio is another one that I'm just constantly blown away with the 57:12.080 --> 57:17.520 quality of their sound and how much like a real actual radio show that Al and company 57:17.520 --> 57:18.820 over there put on. 57:19.360 --> 57:20.660 So, how about you, Stank? 57:21.320 --> 57:23.360 Well, let's see. 57:24.160 --> 57:28.820 As far as podcasts, I listen to a lot of just general science shows. 57:29.840 --> 57:32.220 Actually, I mentioned one of them earlier, Nova Science Now. 57:32.280 --> 57:33.580 I've been listening to podcasts for that. 57:33.580 --> 57:34.560 That's probably my favorite. 57:35.620 --> 57:40.620 I also listen to Quirks and Quarks, which T. Oxtie, one of our IRC regulars, turned me 57:40.620 --> 57:41.040 on to. 57:41.200 --> 57:45.400 Quirks and Quarks is from the CBA Canadian Broadcasting Association, I think their science 57:45.400 --> 57:45.700 show. 57:46.280 --> 57:48.480 And I do listen to Off the Hook on occasion. 57:48.800 --> 57:49.900 I subscribe to it. 57:49.940 --> 57:50.880 I don't listen to it regularly. 57:51.040 --> 57:55.660 I'm usually a month or two behind easily, and that's if I feel like listening to that 57:55.660 --> 57:58.800 subject matter, the political stuff. 57:59.840 --> 58:02.300 But, yeah, I'm usually months behind on all of them, actually. 58:02.300 --> 58:07.020 And what happens is sometimes I'm doing research and looking stuff up. 58:07.100 --> 58:08.120 Other times I'm coding. 58:08.640 --> 58:11.920 And if I'm coding, then, yeah, I'll start listening to stuff in bunches. 58:12.000 --> 58:14.180 So, I'll listen to three, four, five episodes at a time. 58:14.960 --> 58:21.840 On the irregular list, I have software engineering radio, software engineering podcast, Off the 58:21.840 --> 58:23.860 Wall, Off the Hook, both. 58:24.140 --> 58:25.360 But those are definitely hit and miss. 58:25.480 --> 58:31.120 I actually, I usually, I think the 2600 feed downloads both for me, but I rarely listen 58:31.120 --> 58:32.100 off the wall, if ever. 58:32.900 --> 58:36.360 But I know it downloads on my podcast software. 58:36.640 --> 58:38.400 So, yeah. 58:38.660 --> 58:42.480 And you know what I also do is I'll read the description for each one of them, and if the 58:42.480 --> 58:47.460 topic doesn't interest me, then I just don't even bother listening to it, or I'll listen 58:47.460 --> 58:51.920 to the introduction, the first couple of lines to see what the main topic is. 58:51.920 --> 58:55.520 And if it's something that I'm interested in, I'll keep listening. 58:55.600 --> 58:57.020 Otherwise, I will not. 58:58.160 --> 59:03.440 And also, somebody had turned me on to this podcast novel called Seventh Son, and I listened 59:03.440 --> 59:06.160 to the first chapter of that, and it sounded promising. 59:06.160 --> 59:12.520 But, um, I just, it was already, I was already behind when I first started getting into it, 59:12.600 --> 59:16.900 and they released chapters so freaking fast that I can't keep up. 59:17.360 --> 59:20.920 And I think there's like 70, 75 or more episodes queued up. 59:22.520 --> 59:23.300 You alright there? 59:23.320 --> 59:24.140 You getting mugged, or what? 59:25.140 --> 59:25.900 Oh, no, I'm here. 59:26.060 --> 59:27.380 I'm, um, I'm about to do that. 59:27.380 --> 59:28.960 You want to hear an impression of a car starting? 59:29.240 --> 59:29.740 Listen to this. 59:29.940 --> 59:30.380 Ahem. 59:30.380 --> 59:33.340 Did you hear that? 59:33.620 --> 59:34.740 Wow, that was amazing. 59:35.280 --> 59:36.080 I know, thank you. 59:36.140 --> 59:36.820 I'm working on that. 59:36.860 --> 59:38.240 That was, that was, wow. 59:38.520 --> 59:41.220 If I didn't know any better, I would think that was a real car starting. 59:41.880 --> 59:43.940 You'd think so, but you'd be right. 59:46.680 --> 59:49.420 Um, yeah, and you know what else? 59:49.420 --> 59:54.420 I, I gotta say, as long as we're pissing everybody off with this episode, I'm sorry. 59:54.540 --> 59:56.640 I've tried to listen to Twit and Dignation. 59:56.760 --> 59:57.340 I really did. 59:57.460 --> 01:00:00.200 I've, I've subscribed to them, tried to download them, see what, you know, 01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:05.580 people liked about them, and, A, they're just so irritatingly smug, 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:07.380 know-it-all attitude. 01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:10.260 I mean, I admit, I don't know jack shit when I do this show. 01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:14.980 Um, but, I don't know, I just unsubscribed from a long time ago. 01:00:15.240 --> 01:00:19.840 Plus, the other thing about them is that they're, what I call the dime-a-dozen podcasts. 01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:24.720 The podcasts that do nothing but read, slash, dot, and dig, and news, 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.620 and tech news stories and stuff to me. 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.320 I know how to read, you know? 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.380 I don't, I don't need somebody to read something to me and call it a show. 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.400 I mean, they're not adding anything new or interesting to these topics. 01:00:37.300 --> 01:00:40.460 I, I'll just go to the sites and read them. 01:00:40.780 --> 01:00:42.000 You know, I kinda know how to read. 01:00:42.080 --> 01:00:43.540 I, I, I can get by anyway. 01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:44.660 Um. 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.540 I feel good. 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.440 Yeah, it's like, I'm not retarded. 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:48.680 I don't need somebody to read to me. 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:53.860 So, there's 50 or more podcasts that I've tried over the years that are all the quote-unquote 01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:55.940 read-to-me format, and I hate all of them. 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.920 I just, I have no need for them. 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:01.440 I just can't stand lack of original content. 01:01:01.660 --> 01:01:02.080 I don't know. 01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:04.140 Just, I don't know. 01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:05.780 I don't, I don't even know where to go from that. 01:01:05.780 --> 01:01:10.840 I, I think the bare minimum requirement is you have to do more than Microsoft text-to-speech 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.380 that comes built into Windows XP. 01:01:12.580 --> 01:01:12.980 Yeah. 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.940 I mean, we have a series of shows on DDP Hack Radio. 01:01:16.040 --> 01:01:20.500 At noon, we have the, uh, mainstream tech radio, which is exactly that. 01:01:20.540 --> 01:01:26.440 It takes the headlines from different, um, different, uh, RSS feeds, and it does a text-to-speech 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:28.000 and has the robot read them. 01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:29.680 So, you get kind of a bulletin. 01:01:29.740 --> 01:01:30.380 It's really cool. 01:01:30.500 --> 01:01:32.580 It was more like just for the fun to see if we could do it. 01:01:32.580 --> 01:01:36.380 But, Nick84 wrote that, and it's really cool, and I had him put them all together into one, 01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:39.880 uh, bunch of short clips into one show, and it's really awesome. 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.340 So, uh, the other thing, real briefly, and then we're going to go into our main topic, 01:01:44.520 --> 01:01:47.500 um, and we've only probably got about 20 minutes for the topic now, but 01:01:47.500 --> 01:01:50.960 the telephonic craptacular, which is what he was asking about, 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:53.640 they're just really hard to do. 01:01:53.780 --> 01:01:54.720 That's the long and short of it. 01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.580 Any kind of clip show requires a lot of editing, a lot of saving, mixing stuff together, 01:01:59.580 --> 01:02:03.340 editing out a lot of doc droppage and numbers and stuff along the way. 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.040 I enjoy doing them. 01:02:05.100 --> 01:02:07.940 They're fun, but they take too long, A. 01:02:08.240 --> 01:02:12.260 And B, we had that other show that we started called Freak Factor, 01:02:12.700 --> 01:02:14.360 and that was kind of going to take the place. 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:18.080 All the content that we were going to do, all the telephonic goodness, if you will, 01:02:18.660 --> 01:02:20.240 um, was going to go to that show. 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.460 Yes, it was pretty craptacular in and of itself, 01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:25.060 but it had some fun moments along the way, 01:02:25.060 --> 01:02:29.000 but the content was very redundant to the telephonic craptaculars of BINREV. 01:02:29.100 --> 01:02:31.060 So, we kind of dropped it for that. 01:02:31.160 --> 01:02:33.060 Now, I know what you're asking. 01:02:33.380 --> 01:02:34.400 Where's Freak Factor? 01:02:34.500 --> 01:02:36.740 I haven't heard of this Freak Factor of which you speak. 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.080 Well, if you want more information on Freak Factor 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:42.120 and when Freak Factor is going to be back up and running, 01:02:42.580 --> 01:02:45.220 send an email to nottheory at bellsmind.net. 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.040 Lots and lots of emails. 01:02:48.380 --> 01:02:51.520 Go to bellsmind.net and email him and let him know 01:02:51.520 --> 01:02:53.640 that he needs to get his ass in gear and relaunch him, 01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:55.620 and make sure you tell him that Stank sent you 01:02:55.620 --> 01:02:57.680 so that he knows that, uh, you know, 01:02:57.740 --> 01:02:59.960 we're looking for our Freak Factor to come back. 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.380 Now, uh, like I said, about 20 minutes or less. 01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:05.840 Can we squeeze in a main topic here? 01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:09.180 Are you still there? 01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:12.580 I think we lost Savant. 01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:17.040 So, I am going to hang up the phone and hope that he calls back. 01:03:18.380 --> 01:03:19.420 And there he goes. 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:21.480 So, I'm going to hang up the phone and hope that he calls back 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:26.060 and stall as I introduce our main topic that we're about to get into. 01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:30.700 And that main topic is entry control systems, 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.460 or specifically telephone entry control systems. 01:03:35.140 --> 01:03:38.880 And if that doesn't jump out at you as clearly defined 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.160 or you know what we're talking about, 01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:43.080 well, those are those systems that you'll find 01:03:43.080 --> 01:03:46.660 if you live in Florida or any state for that matter. 01:03:46.660 --> 01:03:50.980 A lot of condominium communities have them out in front of their condominiums 01:03:50.980 --> 01:03:51.820 where you go up. 01:03:51.940 --> 01:03:53.820 Well, that was redundant, wasn't it? 01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:55.440 Condominiums with condominium. 01:03:56.240 --> 01:03:59.060 If you go to an apartment complex or condominium complex 01:03:59.060 --> 01:04:00.320 where it's a gated community 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.980 and you have that little thing with the touchstones there 01:04:02.980 --> 01:04:04.600 that you look up the person's name, 01:04:04.860 --> 01:04:07.300 or if you live there, you might have a code that you punch in 01:04:07.300 --> 01:04:08.620 that will allow you to open the gate 01:04:08.620 --> 01:04:10.880 and get inside. 01:04:11.120 --> 01:04:12.880 And I hope that's Savant calling back in. 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.140 Yeah, we out-talked my battery there. 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.940 Okay, well, I just went ahead and told everybody 01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:21.440 about our main topic, the telephone entry control systems. 01:04:21.520 --> 01:04:23.580 I was given some examples about, you know, 01:04:23.640 --> 01:04:26.740 apartment complexes and gated communities will have them 01:04:26.740 --> 01:04:28.300 where you punch in the number 01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:30.120 and look up the name alphabetically. 01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:31.920 Or, again, if you live there, you might have a code 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:33.720 or a card or something that will get you in. 01:04:34.340 --> 01:04:37.280 But these systems that have a little keypad usually on them, 01:04:37.720 --> 01:04:39.380 or, and I think in bigger cities, 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.400 and maybe you can speak to this more than I can, 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:43.760 and the bigger cities, New York, L.A., 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.060 some of those cities, I guess they have those 01:04:45.060 --> 01:04:46.900 on the front door where you can buzz people in 01:04:46.900 --> 01:04:48.720 to let them in your secured building 01:04:48.720 --> 01:04:50.660 if you don't have an actual doorman out there. 01:04:51.580 --> 01:04:53.400 Yes, they're popular out here in San Diego, 01:04:53.560 --> 01:04:55.400 and I've also seen them all over the Bay Area as well. 01:04:55.900 --> 01:04:57.200 Okay, so that, that's what, 01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:58.520 we've talked about what they are, 01:04:58.600 --> 01:05:01.080 so people should be able to at least visualize them now. 01:05:01.560 --> 01:05:03.520 So, generally, you know, 01:05:03.540 --> 01:05:05.120 let's kind of ease our way into this. 01:05:05.140 --> 01:05:07.780 We've got about 15 minutes to burn through this. 01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:12.260 I wish we'd left more time, but what exactly are these things? 01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:13.780 Let's start with the basics here. 01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:15.360 I mean, what hardware are we talking about? 01:05:15.380 --> 01:05:16.200 How do these things work? 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:17.980 All right, so traditionally, 01:05:18.200 --> 01:05:20.640 when you go up to these so-called gated communities, 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:22.260 outside of the main gate, 01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.180 you'll often see, you know, like a turnabout 01:05:24.180 --> 01:05:27.180 or a center divide that will section the entry gate 01:05:27.180 --> 01:05:28.060 from the exit gate, 01:05:28.520 --> 01:05:29.920 and there will be what appears to be 01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:32.480 a really wide payphone, almost, 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.040 set flush into the building. 01:05:35.040 --> 01:05:36.900 Sometimes it'll have a handset. 01:05:37.020 --> 01:05:38.560 Sometimes it'll just be a speakerphone. 01:05:38.700 --> 01:05:41.380 Usually it'll have a metal plate with, you know, 01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:45.440 a, what, 9, 10, 12-button DTMF keypad, 01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:47.880 and then a little tiny LCD screen, typically, 01:05:47.980 --> 01:05:50.800 where you'll get to jog through a directory of sorts 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.440 to find the tenant that you're looking for, 01:05:52.780 --> 01:05:53.820 and you dial in their extension, 01:05:54.040 --> 01:05:55.940 and it'll ring their cell phone or their house 01:05:55.940 --> 01:05:57.900 or somehow get them on the phone, 01:05:58.320 --> 01:05:59.040 and you basically say, 01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:00.480 hey, this is the FBI, let me in, 01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:01.520 or whatever, what have you, 01:06:01.520 --> 01:06:03.940 and typically they will press a button 01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:05.380 more often than not, it's pound, 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:07.240 and that will buzz you in, 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:08.760 that will send a signal down 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:10.880 that will activate a solenoid on the gate 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:12.700 and get you access into the building. 01:06:13.240 --> 01:06:14.480 Right, now, before, 01:06:14.640 --> 01:06:15.480 let's stop for a second there 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.420 because there's some inconsistencies, 01:06:17.580 --> 01:06:19.140 there's some things that I've heard, 01:06:19.620 --> 01:06:21.720 anyway, that I've always kind of wondered about. 01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:24.060 I've been told, 01:06:24.180 --> 01:06:27.020 I have a friend who lives in a gated community, 01:06:27.020 --> 01:06:28.020 and he was told, 01:06:28.460 --> 01:06:29.480 she was told, actually, 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:31.960 that she requires, 01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:35.120 they require her to have a landline 01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:38.260 to use with the front gate. 01:06:38.740 --> 01:06:39.500 Now, she didn't, 01:06:39.600 --> 01:06:40.560 she's not a tech person, 01:06:40.640 --> 01:06:41.740 she didn't specifically say, 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.800 well, can't I use my VoIP line, 01:06:43.900 --> 01:06:45.180 can't I use my cell phone? 01:06:45.520 --> 01:06:47.840 They told her that it can't be a cell phone, 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:49.200 that it has to be a landline. 01:06:49.300 --> 01:06:50.760 Now, I don't know if a VoIP line would work, 01:06:51.100 --> 01:06:52.580 or maybe even a cell phone would work, 01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:53.640 they just don't want her to, 01:06:54.020 --> 01:06:55.400 but that's what they told her. 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.500 Now, do you know for a fact 01:06:57.500 --> 01:06:59.240 that it will allow you, 01:06:59.260 --> 01:07:00.100 or some of them, anyway, 01:07:00.180 --> 01:07:01.580 will allow you to use any type of phone? 01:07:01.580 --> 01:07:04.760 I know for certain that some will allow, 01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:05.920 now, your mileage may vary 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:07.020 depending on make and model, 01:07:07.120 --> 01:07:08.240 manufacture, and what have you, 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:09.800 but case in point, 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:11.360 I've got a buddy up in San Francisco 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:12.920 who did not want, 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.620 just absolutely hated the idea 01:07:14.620 --> 01:07:15.820 of getting a landline 01:07:15.820 --> 01:07:16.980 specifically for the purpose 01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:18.720 of allowing FedEx into his building 01:07:18.720 --> 01:07:20.560 when he ordered stuff off of Fleabay. 01:07:21.120 --> 01:07:21.780 So he called me, 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.140 Josh, what are we going to do? 01:07:23.460 --> 01:07:24.860 You know, I need to set this up. 01:07:24.860 --> 01:07:26.020 You know, he doesn't know me as Sivan, 01:07:26.100 --> 01:07:26.860 he knows me as Josh. 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:28.620 And I said, well, 01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:29.720 so what's the scoop there? 01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.000 They won't let you use a cell phone? 01:07:31.260 --> 01:07:33.280 And his cell phone was in the area code 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:33.940 of San Diego 01:07:33.940 --> 01:07:35.220 because that's where he came from. 01:07:36.080 --> 01:07:37.200 So I suggested, 01:07:37.460 --> 01:07:39.300 well, have you thought about 01:07:39.300 --> 01:07:40.860 getting a voice over IP 01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:42.460 directed and word dial number, 01:07:42.560 --> 01:07:42.900 a DID? 01:07:43.600 --> 01:07:43.700 Right. 01:07:43.700 --> 01:07:44.800 And he's like, well, no, 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:45.780 what's the deal with that? 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:46.640 And I explained to him, 01:07:46.660 --> 01:07:46.960 you know, 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:48.600 Vitality.net 01:07:48.600 --> 01:07:49.500 and SixTel 01:07:49.500 --> 01:07:50.460 and some other providers 01:07:50.460 --> 01:07:51.080 will give you 01:07:51.080 --> 01:07:52.100 a local phone number. 01:07:52.700 --> 01:07:52.860 Now, 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:53.680 as my understanding, 01:07:54.160 --> 01:07:55.360 the way that they set up 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:56.260 these entry systems 01:07:56.260 --> 01:07:57.360 is they're not allowed 01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:58.560 to dial long distance, 01:07:58.860 --> 01:07:59.880 which would make sense 01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:00.860 as to why they would need 01:08:00.860 --> 01:08:01.920 a POTS line. 01:08:02.020 --> 01:08:02.120 You know, 01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:02.880 it would be a generic way 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:03.300 of saying, 01:08:03.680 --> 01:08:04.360 we're not going to pay 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:05.560 long distance for your ass. 01:08:05.660 --> 01:08:06.940 And the one way to guarantee that 01:08:06.940 --> 01:08:08.120 is that you have a landline. 01:08:08.580 --> 01:08:08.900 Right. 01:08:08.900 --> 01:08:11.340 But what we ended up doing 01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:13.240 was on the Vitality.net 01:08:13.240 --> 01:08:14.160 subscriber page, 01:08:14.200 --> 01:08:14.840 you could set up 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:16.160 a number that it would forward to. 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:17.760 And he just forwarded it 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:18.700 straight to his cell phone 01:08:18.700 --> 01:08:20.080 and for enough, 01:08:20.180 --> 01:08:21.240 when FedEx rolls around, 01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:22.260 they hit directory, 01:08:22.460 --> 01:08:23.400 it rings in his pocket 01:08:23.400 --> 01:08:24.600 to his 619 number 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.020 via his 415 DID. 01:08:27.780 --> 01:08:28.940 He hits the pound button, 01:08:29.380 --> 01:08:30.080 Bob's your uncle, 01:08:30.180 --> 01:08:30.760 lets you in. 01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:36.660 So I wonder if programmatically 01:08:36.660 --> 01:08:37.420 in the hardware, 01:08:37.420 --> 01:08:38.040 you can, 01:08:38.660 --> 01:08:40.080 I hadn't thought about 01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:42.600 the long distance idea there. 01:08:42.700 --> 01:08:43.280 I wonder if you can 01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:44.700 programmatically restrict it 01:08:44.700 --> 01:08:45.760 to a certain area code. 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:47.400 Well, 01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:48.440 I'm wondering if, 01:08:48.580 --> 01:08:49.800 now I don't have specific numbers 01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:50.600 to back this up, 01:08:50.860 --> 01:08:52.080 but I'm wondering if the thing is 01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:52.960 that you can only use 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:53.960 7-digit dialing 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:54.900 in most of these systems 01:08:54.900 --> 01:08:56.220 and not 10-digit dialing. 01:08:56.460 --> 01:08:57.100 Uh-huh. 01:08:58.420 --> 01:08:58.900 So, 01:08:59.180 --> 01:09:00.360 a 415 number 01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:01.080 when dialed 01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:02.640 from a 415 extension 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:03.940 would in fact 01:09:03.940 --> 01:09:05.480 only be 7-digit dialing, 01:09:05.580 --> 01:09:06.540 so it wouldn't be an issue. 01:09:06.540 --> 01:09:07.860 And I'm trying to think 01:09:07.860 --> 01:09:08.900 of any examples 01:09:08.900 --> 01:09:10.360 where it would be necessary 01:09:10.360 --> 01:09:11.780 to have the extra digits 01:09:11.780 --> 01:09:12.660 or where somebody 01:09:12.660 --> 01:09:14.380 could have a valid reason 01:09:14.380 --> 01:09:16.180 to have a different area code. 01:09:16.300 --> 01:09:16.460 I mean, 01:09:16.480 --> 01:09:17.420 even if you're in a city 01:09:17.420 --> 01:09:17.920 that's, 01:09:18.660 --> 01:09:18.920 you know, 01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:19.680 like New York City 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:20.320 that's split 01:09:20.320 --> 01:09:21.000 amongst several 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:21.940 different area codes, 01:09:22.420 --> 01:09:23.120 we're talking about 01:09:23.120 --> 01:09:24.320 one confined building. 01:09:24.460 --> 01:09:24.960 You're not going to have 01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.160 multiple area codes 01:09:26.160 --> 01:09:27.420 inside the same building, 01:09:27.420 --> 01:09:28.500 not for your landlines 01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:28.880 or not. 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:30.440 Right. 01:09:30.440 --> 01:09:30.920 I mean, 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.480 there might be 01:09:31.480 --> 01:09:32.120 the occasional 01:09:32.120 --> 01:09:32.980 random case 01:09:32.980 --> 01:09:34.100 where a complex 01:09:34.100 --> 01:09:34.860 spills over 01:09:34.860 --> 01:09:35.560 on the two sides 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:36.280 of an area code, 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:37.740 but I would assume 01:09:37.740 --> 01:09:38.220 that they would just 01:09:38.220 --> 01:09:38.700 have to pick 01:09:38.700 --> 01:09:39.380 one or the other. 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:40.080 Right. 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:41.440 Right, exactly. 01:09:41.440 --> 01:09:41.860 Because we're not 01:09:41.860 --> 01:09:43.120 talking complex systems. 01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:43.520 I mean, 01:09:44.280 --> 01:09:45.260 they have the ability 01:09:45.260 --> 01:09:45.960 to be augmented 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:47.200 by a PBX system 01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:47.940 that might be able 01:09:47.940 --> 01:09:48.780 to have some smarts 01:09:48.780 --> 01:09:49.440 on the back end, 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:50.520 and that might be 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:51.340 a way that you would 01:09:51.340 --> 01:09:51.880 work around 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:53.100 that particular gotcha, 01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:54.380 but I would say 01:09:54.380 --> 01:09:55.140 by and large 01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:56.320 that they're pretty, 01:09:57.100 --> 01:09:57.940 I don't want to say 01:09:57.940 --> 01:09:58.880 dumb in terms 01:09:58.880 --> 01:09:59.580 of technology, 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:00.280 but they're not 01:10:00.280 --> 01:10:01.460 very intelligent systems. 01:10:01.780 --> 01:10:01.960 Well, 01:10:02.020 --> 01:10:03.080 these are basically 01:10:03.080 --> 01:10:04.380 just large printed 01:10:04.380 --> 01:10:05.300 PCB boards, 01:10:05.360 --> 01:10:05.460 right? 01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:06.460 These are big circuit boards 01:10:06.460 --> 01:10:07.320 that are hardwired 01:10:07.320 --> 01:10:08.520 to do certain things. 01:10:09.160 --> 01:10:09.600 Right. 01:10:10.460 --> 01:10:11.360 Is that correct? 01:10:13.180 --> 01:10:13.660 Yes, 01:10:13.740 --> 01:10:14.640 they are hardwired, 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:15.160 in fact, 01:10:15.320 --> 01:10:16.420 over the, 01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:17.940 they've got, 01:10:18.100 --> 01:10:18.800 in some cases, 01:10:19.100 --> 01:10:20.180 actual ring and tip 01:10:20.180 --> 01:10:20.800 terminations 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:25.000 to the system themselves. 01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:26.640 Okay, 01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:27.420 my battery is 01:10:27.420 --> 01:10:28.460 on its way out. 01:10:28.460 --> 01:10:29.220 I think I'm turning 01:10:29.220 --> 01:10:30.280 my laptop back on 01:10:30.280 --> 01:10:30.960 to sort of provide 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:31.760 some extra juice, 01:10:31.940 --> 01:10:32.980 but I might lose you. 01:10:34.040 --> 01:10:35.400 But one thing 01:10:35.400 --> 01:10:36.160 that's really interesting 01:10:36.160 --> 01:10:36.800 that I found 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:37.640 on a couple models 01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:38.400 of these telephonic 01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:39.180 entry systems 01:10:39.180 --> 01:10:41.160 is that since they are, 01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:41.460 in fact, 01:10:41.540 --> 01:10:42.100 connected to the 01:10:42.100 --> 01:10:43.260 public telephone system, 01:10:44.020 --> 01:10:44.980 in some cases, 01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:46.320 if you have access 01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:48.120 to the administrator's panel, 01:10:48.500 --> 01:10:49.720 you can turn in, 01:10:49.900 --> 01:10:50.940 you can turn on these phones 01:10:50.940 --> 01:10:52.260 and make calls 01:10:52.260 --> 01:10:53.420 to the outside network. 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.460 So if you've got 01:10:55.460 --> 01:10:56.120 some kung fu 01:10:56.120 --> 01:10:57.020 regarding these systems, 01:10:57.020 --> 01:10:57.640 like you download 01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:59.840 the PDF of the system 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:00.760 off the support site, 01:11:01.400 --> 01:11:02.380 you could actually 01:11:02.380 --> 01:11:03.200 call people 01:11:03.200 --> 01:11:04.380 outside of the complex 01:11:04.380 --> 01:11:05.360 for free, 01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:06.400 conceivably. 01:11:07.220 --> 01:11:08.020 So if you could 01:11:08.020 --> 01:11:09.340 somehow seize the trunk, 01:11:09.420 --> 01:11:09.820 that's probably 01:11:09.820 --> 01:11:10.660 the wrong terminology, 01:11:10.780 --> 01:11:11.120 but if you could 01:11:11.120 --> 01:11:12.200 somehow seize this thing 01:11:12.200 --> 01:11:13.000 and get you a, 01:11:13.360 --> 01:11:14.120 get a dial tone 01:11:14.120 --> 01:11:15.060 and dial out somehow, 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:16.220 you know, 01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:17.260 I think it'd be interesting 01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:18.100 to see if I could use 01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:18.860 a tone dialer 01:11:18.860 --> 01:11:19.700 through that speaker 01:11:19.700 --> 01:11:20.220 somehow. 01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:22.040 Now, 01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:23.580 given what we know 01:11:23.580 --> 01:11:24.840 about my friend's ability 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.120 to unlock the gate 01:11:26.120 --> 01:11:27.180 from his cell phone 01:11:27.180 --> 01:11:28.180 and the way 01:11:28.180 --> 01:11:29.580 in-band signaling works, 01:11:29.700 --> 01:11:30.380 I'd be inclined 01:11:30.380 --> 01:11:31.040 to believe 01:11:31.040 --> 01:11:32.640 that the system 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:33.680 would not be smart 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:34.400 enough to know 01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:35.140 which side 01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:35.980 of the communication 01:11:35.980 --> 01:11:37.200 that that tone 01:11:37.200 --> 01:11:37.840 came from. 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:40.300 So it's conceivable 01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:40.900 to think that 01:11:40.900 --> 01:11:41.760 if you had your cell phone 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:42.020 on you, 01:11:42.080 --> 01:11:42.580 if it had a pretty 01:11:42.580 --> 01:11:43.620 decent speaker phone, 01:11:44.020 --> 01:11:44.500 that you could 01:11:44.500 --> 01:11:45.020 hold it up 01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:45.940 to the speaker phone 01:11:45.940 --> 01:11:47.480 and start button mashing 01:11:47.480 --> 01:11:48.120 until you find 01:11:48.120 --> 01:11:49.060 the right combination 01:11:49.060 --> 01:11:50.700 because as far 01:11:50.700 --> 01:11:51.160 as I know, 01:11:51.220 --> 01:11:52.040 they don't have 01:11:52.040 --> 01:11:53.300 account lockouts 01:11:53.300 --> 01:11:53.900 like a normal 01:11:53.900 --> 01:11:54.940 password system would 01:11:54.940 --> 01:11:55.800 or if you dial 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:56.840 the incorrect password 01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:57.760 X number of times, 01:11:57.820 --> 01:11:58.660 it'll lock you out. 01:11:59.420 --> 01:11:59.700 Like, 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:00.380 quite literally 01:12:00.380 --> 01:12:01.100 in this sense, 01:12:01.740 --> 01:12:02.480 it would send you 01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:03.180 from getting access 01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:03.740 to the phone 01:12:03.740 --> 01:12:05.060 or to the community. 01:12:05.980 --> 01:12:07.200 So if anybody 01:12:07.200 --> 01:12:07.620 out there 01:12:07.620 --> 01:12:08.280 has access 01:12:08.280 --> 01:12:09.060 to one of these systems 01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:09.420 and you know 01:12:09.420 --> 01:12:10.020 a couple people 01:12:10.020 --> 01:12:10.900 in the IRC channel 01:12:10.900 --> 01:12:11.680 said that they did 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:12.600 but weren't able 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:13.440 to help me last night 01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:14.000 when I was talking 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:14.380 to them, 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:15.500 try it out 01:12:15.500 --> 01:12:16.500 and report back 01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:17.180 to your findings 01:12:17.180 --> 01:12:18.600 because I'm inclined 01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:18.960 to believe 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:19.660 that it's possible. 01:12:20.860 --> 01:12:20.880 Yeah, 01:12:20.940 --> 01:12:21.580 I would think so 01:12:21.580 --> 01:12:21.940 and I think 01:12:21.940 --> 01:12:22.280 that would make 01:12:22.280 --> 01:12:22.960 some good footage. 01:12:23.080 --> 01:12:23.440 That'd be a good 01:12:23.440 --> 01:12:24.480 little Hack TV segment 01:12:24.480 --> 01:12:25.020 there if you can 01:12:25.020 --> 01:12:26.160 film something like that. 01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:27.420 Absolutely. 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:28.080 Well, 01:12:28.200 --> 01:12:28.420 listen, 01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:29.360 we've only got 01:12:29.360 --> 01:12:30.200 maybe 10 minutes 01:12:30.200 --> 01:12:30.820 of show left 01:12:30.820 --> 01:12:31.260 so hopefully 01:12:31.260 --> 01:12:31.560 your battery 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:31.980 will last 01:12:31.980 --> 01:12:32.920 a few more minutes. 01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:34.060 Yeah, 01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.760 we're good to go. 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:36.140 My laptop's on 01:12:36.140 --> 01:12:36.580 and providing 01:12:36.580 --> 01:12:37.500 juice over USB. 01:12:38.040 --> 01:12:38.320 Okay. 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.080 Well, 01:12:40.220 --> 01:12:41.180 some of the other things 01:12:41.180 --> 01:12:41.820 if you can, 01:12:42.020 --> 01:12:42.180 you know, 01:12:42.220 --> 01:12:43.140 in the admin function 01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:43.380 of this, 01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:43.940 there's a lot of 01:12:43.940 --> 01:12:44.620 other interesting 01:12:44.620 --> 01:12:45.420 things out there. 01:12:45.780 --> 01:12:46.580 First of all, 01:12:46.580 --> 01:12:48.360 the funniest thing is 01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:49.140 and I'll go ahead 01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:49.640 and pose this 01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:50.480 as a question to you. 01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:52.280 This is a set-up question. 01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:53.560 Okay. 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:55.840 What kind of protection 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:56.820 do these things have 01:12:56.820 --> 01:12:57.460 to prevent you 01:12:57.460 --> 01:12:57.860 from getting 01:12:57.860 --> 01:12:59.180 to the administration panel? 01:13:00.240 --> 01:13:00.640 Well, 01:13:00.860 --> 01:13:01.700 glad you asked. 01:13:01.780 --> 01:13:02.280 I thought you'd 01:13:02.280 --> 01:13:03.100 never get to it. 01:13:03.980 --> 01:13:04.380 Now, 01:13:04.580 --> 01:13:05.560 in the particular model 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:06.460 that we were looking at 01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:07.660 which is by a company 01:13:07.660 --> 01:13:08.860 called Violent Night, 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.400 K-N-I-G-H-T, 01:13:11.240 --> 01:13:12.100 they had an option 01:13:12.100 --> 01:13:13.440 where a lot like 01:13:13.440 --> 01:13:14.140 some of the similar 01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:15.620 Trin and Tran-X-ATMs 01:13:15.620 --> 01:13:16.080 that you may have 01:13:16.080 --> 01:13:16.900 heard so much about. 01:13:17.220 --> 01:13:18.040 If you hold down 01:13:18.040 --> 01:13:18.880 the star button 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:19.840 and let it go 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:20.420 and press 01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:21.680 one through eight, 01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:23.040 one-digit number 01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:25.000 for the admin function code, 01:13:25.440 --> 01:13:26.100 you are presented 01:13:26.100 --> 01:13:27.320 with a password prompt 01:13:27.320 --> 01:13:28.700 for a six-digit number. 01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:30.520 And wouldn't you know it, 01:13:30.940 --> 01:13:31.900 the password is set 01:13:31.900 --> 01:13:32.560 by default 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:33.540 to one, 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:33.740 two, 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.140 three, 01:13:34.620 --> 01:13:34.980 four, 01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:35.600 five, 01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:36.180 six. 01:13:36.180 --> 01:13:36.620 Oh, 01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:37.000 I would have 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:38.100 never guessed that. 01:13:38.860 --> 01:13:39.380 I know, 01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:40.340 it's the same combination 01:13:40.340 --> 01:13:41.300 I have in my luggage. 01:13:41.460 --> 01:13:41.860 Man, 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:43.160 that is the same pin 01:13:43.160 --> 01:13:43.880 that I have 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:45.660 on my credit cards 01:13:45.660 --> 01:13:47.320 and my voicemail box. 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:48.480 Right. 01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:49.060 Wow, 01:13:49.160 --> 01:13:49.980 what a small world. 01:13:51.160 --> 01:13:52.220 once you gain access 01:13:52.220 --> 01:13:53.720 to this administrative function, 01:13:54.240 --> 01:13:55.760 you can add users 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:57.420 to the gated community, 01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:58.880 you can remove users 01:13:58.880 --> 01:13:59.780 from the gated community, 01:14:00.020 --> 01:14:00.740 you can redirect 01:14:00.740 --> 01:14:01.720 someone else's call 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:02.760 to your own cell phone, 01:14:02.980 --> 01:14:03.600 which might be 01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:04.280 an interesting way 01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:05.320 to snoop on people. 01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:07.440 One of the funny things 01:14:07.440 --> 01:14:08.880 that I saw on there 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.180 that I just can't 01:14:10.180 --> 01:14:10.820 for the life of me 01:14:10.820 --> 01:14:11.260 figure out, 01:14:11.320 --> 01:14:11.560 well actually, 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:12.700 there's two of them 01:14:12.700 --> 01:14:13.540 that I can't quite figure out. 01:14:13.580 --> 01:14:14.220 One of them is 01:14:14.220 --> 01:14:15.480 very low level, 01:14:15.580 --> 01:14:16.600 it's to turn the speaker 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:17.380 on or off. 01:14:17.460 --> 01:14:17.640 Well, 01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:19.200 why or when would you 01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:20.280 ever want the speaker off? 01:14:20.320 --> 01:14:21.260 That defeats the point 01:14:21.260 --> 01:14:22.700 of the equipment. 01:14:23.660 --> 01:14:24.180 And B, 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:25.440 for some reason, 01:14:25.580 --> 01:14:26.440 there is an option 01:14:26.440 --> 01:14:28.420 to allow rotary dialing. 01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:29.000 By default, 01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:29.740 it's off, 01:14:30.580 --> 01:14:32.840 but what the fuck? 01:14:32.980 --> 01:14:34.020 Rotary dialing? 01:14:34.060 --> 01:14:34.840 Are you kidding me? 01:14:34.900 --> 01:14:35.260 Right. 01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:37.760 What year is this? 01:14:38.080 --> 01:14:38.440 How, 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:38.720 yeah, 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:39.580 how does that even, 01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:40.880 I mean, 01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:42.980 somebody in the apartment 01:14:42.980 --> 01:14:43.900 up there still has 01:14:43.900 --> 01:14:44.640 a rotary phone 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:45.740 and that's what that's for? 01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:46.160 I mean, 01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:47.620 wow. 01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:49.460 What's most interesting, 01:14:49.660 --> 01:14:49.760 too, 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:51.180 about this particular model 01:14:51.180 --> 01:14:51.900 that we're looking at 01:14:51.900 --> 01:14:52.760 by Silent Night 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:54.740 is that if you turn on 01:14:54.740 --> 01:14:55.680 rotary dialing, 01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:58.100 you disable DTMF dialing. 01:14:58.340 --> 01:14:58.480 Yeah. 01:14:58.480 --> 01:14:58.500 So, 01:14:58.700 --> 01:14:59.240 effectively, 01:14:59.740 --> 01:15:00.980 this would only be useful 01:15:00.980 --> 01:15:01.640 in a community 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:04.020 that only has rotary phones. 01:15:04.180 --> 01:15:04.400 Right. 01:15:04.480 --> 01:15:05.440 Not mix and match. 01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:05.640 I mean, 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:06.740 you're not adding support 01:15:06.740 --> 01:15:08.240 for rotary phones. 01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:09.640 You're choosing one 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:10.460 or the other. 01:15:11.740 --> 01:15:14.500 And the console itself, 01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.060 it's not like you have 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:17.280 an option to put on 01:15:17.280 --> 01:15:18.160 a rotary wheel 01:15:18.160 --> 01:15:19.160 in the front of the building 01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:20.760 to dial your way in. 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:22.740 It's a DTMF touchpad 01:15:22.740 --> 01:15:23.260 on the front. 01:15:23.580 --> 01:15:23.720 See, 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:24.900 that would discourage people. 01:15:25.300 --> 01:15:26.400 You should have like a giant, 01:15:26.980 --> 01:15:28.060 like something you would see 01:15:28.060 --> 01:15:29.420 on fucking The Price is Right, 01:15:29.480 --> 01:15:30.700 a giant dial tone 01:15:30.700 --> 01:15:32.440 and you have to spin the number 01:15:32.440 --> 01:15:33.480 to get into the building. 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:34.840 I think people would be like, 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:35.260 you know what? 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:37.480 I'd be like, 01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:37.940 you know what, 01:15:38.020 --> 01:15:38.160 dude, 01:15:38.200 --> 01:15:39.040 he's on the ninth floor 01:15:39.040 --> 01:15:39.880 and I'm just too lazy 01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.060 to spin that fucking wheel 01:15:41.060 --> 01:15:41.540 right now, 01:15:41.540 --> 01:15:41.800 so. 01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:42.300 Yeah. 01:15:42.700 --> 01:15:43.120 I'm just going to. 01:15:43.120 --> 01:15:44.460 He's not getting his package. 01:15:45.200 --> 01:15:45.220 Yeah, 01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:46.480 God forbid somebody's up 01:15:46.480 --> 01:15:48.040 in room number 9999. 01:15:49.360 --> 01:15:50.220 Can you imagine 01:15:50.220 --> 01:15:51.040 the pizza guy 01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:51.740 at that building? 01:15:52.160 --> 01:15:52.440 They're like, 01:15:52.540 --> 01:15:52.840 shit. 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:53.800 Dude, 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:54.700 if you wanted to mess with him, 01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:55.180 that's the number 01:15:55.180 --> 01:15:56.040 you'd always spoof. 01:15:56.140 --> 01:15:56.300 Yeah, 01:15:56.360 --> 01:15:57.860 my address is 9999. 01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:00.700 Oh, 01:16:00.820 --> 01:16:00.980 hell, 01:16:01.060 --> 01:16:01.140 evil. 01:16:01.140 --> 01:16:02.760 I'm on the 9172. 01:16:02.940 --> 01:16:03.380 Damn it. 01:16:04.900 --> 01:16:06.120 Get the stepladder out. 01:16:06.440 --> 01:16:06.800 Well, 01:16:06.860 --> 01:16:07.700 and one of the other options 01:16:07.700 --> 01:16:08.980 on here that I think 01:16:08.980 --> 01:16:09.720 you said earlier 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:10.840 is you can 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:12.280 hook up a PBX 01:16:12.280 --> 01:16:12.800 to the system 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:13.500 on the back end 01:16:13.500 --> 01:16:14.120 and you can through 01:16:14.120 --> 01:16:15.000 the menu 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.900 then dial out 01:16:16.900 --> 01:16:18.440 and access that PBX system 01:16:18.440 --> 01:16:19.800 through this. 01:16:20.740 --> 01:16:20.960 Now, 01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:21.760 I don't know why 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:22.760 you would really, 01:16:23.260 --> 01:16:24.220 I guess you could set up 01:16:24.220 --> 01:16:25.220 some things to do that, 01:16:25.280 --> 01:16:27.060 but assuming you don't have 01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:28.640 control over the PBX itself, 01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:29.500 maybe if you had a bunch 01:16:29.500 --> 01:16:30.340 of buildings running off 01:16:30.340 --> 01:16:31.060 one PBX, 01:16:31.120 --> 01:16:31.760 it might be useful. 01:16:33.360 --> 01:16:33.760 Right. 01:16:35.080 --> 01:16:35.480 Which, 01:16:35.620 --> 01:16:35.940 you know, 01:16:36.020 --> 01:16:36.700 in and of itself, 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:37.780 adding that additional 01:16:37.780 --> 01:16:38.740 layer of complexity 01:16:38.740 --> 01:16:40.700 also introduces the fact 01:16:40.700 --> 01:16:41.280 that there might be 01:16:41.280 --> 01:16:41.920 some other hacks 01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:42.520 that you could do 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:43.460 with the PBX system 01:16:43.460 --> 01:16:44.480 and perhaps even then 01:16:44.480 --> 01:16:45.920 gain access 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:46.760 to the outward dial. 01:16:47.400 --> 01:16:47.560 Yeah, 01:16:47.780 --> 01:16:49.400 and on here 01:16:49.400 --> 01:16:51.080 it says PBX access number, 01:16:51.500 --> 01:16:52.120 which is the one 01:16:52.120 --> 01:16:52.880 or two digit number 01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:53.560 needed to access 01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:54.520 the PBX system. 01:16:55.420 --> 01:16:56.420 The system will dial 01:16:56.420 --> 01:16:57.340 the number program 01:16:57.340 --> 01:16:58.460 for PBX access. 01:16:58.740 --> 01:16:59.000 Now, 01:16:59.140 --> 01:16:59.980 if you can change 01:16:59.980 --> 01:17:00.600 that number 01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:02.980 to point to your own PBX, 01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:03.920 then you could totally 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:04.740 own the box 01:17:04.740 --> 01:17:05.560 big time. 01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:07.000 Absolutely, 01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:07.900 and with Asterisk, 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:08.840 it wouldn't be that hard 01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:09.840 to create some sort 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:10.560 of pass through 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:11.420 that would then 01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:12.860 redial the correct 01:17:12.860 --> 01:17:15.100 system to get back 01:17:15.100 --> 01:17:16.500 into their internal 01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:17.920 PBX system 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:18.960 so you could effectively 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:19.740 man in the middle 01:17:19.740 --> 01:17:20.700 their telephone system 01:17:20.700 --> 01:17:21.860 and their gated access 01:17:21.860 --> 01:17:22.340 community. 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:23.240 Yeah, 01:17:23.420 --> 01:17:24.220 and you know what, 01:17:24.260 --> 01:17:25.280 if you could somehow, 01:17:25.940 --> 01:17:26.540 as long as you 01:17:26.540 --> 01:17:27.360 recreate it, 01:17:27.400 --> 01:17:28.120 if you really wanted 01:17:28.120 --> 01:17:28.780 to be sneaky, 01:17:28.900 --> 01:17:29.100 I guess, 01:17:29.160 --> 01:17:29.900 if you recreated 01:17:29.900 --> 01:17:30.880 or got the list 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:32.400 of people 01:17:32.400 --> 01:17:34.060 and their information 01:17:34.060 --> 01:17:35.060 and copied it over, 01:17:35.420 --> 01:17:36.280 it would be seamless 01:17:36.280 --> 01:17:37.400 and you could hijack 01:17:37.400 --> 01:17:37.800 it and people 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:38.560 might not even know 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:38.980 the difference 01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:40.060 if you did it right 01:17:40.060 --> 01:17:40.880 and did it smoothly. 01:17:42.160 --> 01:17:42.480 Absolutely, 01:17:42.740 --> 01:17:43.380 if you could record 01:17:43.380 --> 01:17:44.840 every piece of communication 01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:45.440 that goes on 01:17:45.440 --> 01:17:45.800 through anywhere 01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:46.320 in the building, 01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:47.960 I could see how 01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:49.060 that might be advantageous 01:17:49.060 --> 01:17:49.900 if you were a private 01:17:49.900 --> 01:17:50.420 investigator 01:17:50.420 --> 01:17:52.040 or a jealous boyfriend 01:17:52.040 --> 01:17:52.860 concerned about 01:17:52.860 --> 01:17:53.720 what your lady is doing 01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:54.280 while you're gone 01:17:54.280 --> 01:17:54.720 at work. 01:17:55.400 --> 01:17:57.300 There's some implications 01:17:57.300 --> 01:17:57.800 in there. 01:17:58.780 --> 01:17:58.940 Well, 01:17:59.020 --> 01:17:59.660 and plus you'd get 01:17:59.660 --> 01:18:00.640 a list of everybody's 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:01.580 phone numbers, 01:18:02.460 --> 01:18:03.280 whatever it's dialing 01:18:03.280 --> 01:18:03.800 to get to them, 01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:04.460 so you could get 01:18:04.460 --> 01:18:05.180 a list of people, 01:18:05.240 --> 01:18:05.880 whether they're listed, 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:06.400 unlisted, 01:18:06.580 --> 01:18:06.900 private, 01:18:07.060 --> 01:18:07.560 cell phones, 01:18:07.660 --> 01:18:08.000 whatever. 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:09.280 Right. 01:18:09.340 --> 01:18:10.160 So that's kind of 01:18:10.160 --> 01:18:10.980 dangerous. 01:18:12.780 --> 01:18:13.060 Yeah, 01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:15.060 a fun Google hack 01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:15.740 that you can use 01:18:15.740 --> 01:18:16.320 to find more 01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:16.880 of these systems 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:17.800 that I checked out 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:18.300 last night 01:18:18.300 --> 01:18:19.360 was telephone 01:18:19.360 --> 01:18:21.140 entry system support 01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:22.200 and then you could 01:18:22.200 --> 01:18:23.300 just throw PDF in there 01:18:23.300 --> 01:18:24.600 and just harvest 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:25.280 those results 01:18:25.280 --> 01:18:26.120 and you'll have 01:18:26.120 --> 01:18:27.580 tons of manuals 01:18:27.580 --> 01:18:28.720 on how to actually 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:29.300 gain access 01:18:29.300 --> 01:18:30.200 to most of your systems. 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:32.000 Yeah, 01:18:32.120 --> 01:18:32.420 and then, 01:18:32.540 --> 01:18:32.840 you know, 01:18:33.040 --> 01:18:33.900 and kind of 01:18:33.900 --> 01:18:35.400 using Google hacking 01:18:35.400 --> 01:18:36.000 techniques, 01:18:36.320 --> 01:18:37.280 this is kind of 01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:37.580 one of those 01:18:37.580 --> 01:18:37.980 good ones 01:18:37.980 --> 01:18:38.960 that's a borderline 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:39.940 crossing into 01:18:39.940 --> 01:18:40.720 Google mining 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:41.280 and it always 01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:41.680 bugs me 01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:42.000 when people 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:42.320 don't know 01:18:42.320 --> 01:18:42.700 the difference 01:18:42.700 --> 01:18:43.820 but you then 01:18:43.820 --> 01:18:44.620 gather all those 01:18:44.620 --> 01:18:45.260 books together, 01:18:45.400 --> 01:18:46.140 all those PDFs 01:18:46.140 --> 01:18:46.840 that you can get 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:47.920 and kind of 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:48.580 parse through them 01:18:48.580 --> 01:18:49.120 all quickly 01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:50.400 and make a spreadsheet 01:18:50.400 --> 01:18:51.400 that says 01:18:51.400 --> 01:18:52.480 here's the model number 01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:53.340 of the manufacturer, 01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:54.440 here's the default pin. 01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:55.900 Actually mine 01:18:55.900 --> 01:18:56.580 that data 01:18:56.580 --> 01:18:57.540 for some useful 01:18:57.540 --> 01:18:58.140 information 01:18:58.140 --> 01:18:58.600 and come up 01:18:58.600 --> 01:18:59.180 with a spreadsheet 01:18:59.180 --> 01:18:59.420 that, 01:18:59.540 --> 01:18:59.760 you know, 01:18:59.820 --> 01:19:00.540 put it in the forums 01:19:00.540 --> 01:19:01.820 or have it published 01:19:01.820 --> 01:19:02.940 in a zine somewhere 01:19:02.940 --> 01:19:03.600 or something like that. 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:04.240 That's cool, 01:19:04.360 --> 01:19:05.260 useful information. 01:19:06.220 --> 01:19:06.620 Absolutely. 01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:08.240 Especially, 01:19:08.460 --> 01:19:08.700 I mean, 01:19:08.820 --> 01:19:10.020 we're starting to see 01:19:10.020 --> 01:19:10.720 these past couple 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:10.980 of years 01:19:10.980 --> 01:19:13.060 of proliferation, 01:19:13.220 --> 01:19:13.700 excuse me, 01:19:14.080 --> 01:19:14.640 of people 01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:15.820 finding these 01:19:15.820 --> 01:19:16.840 useful information 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:17.500 about hardware 01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:18.240 that otherwise 01:19:18.240 --> 01:19:18.960 wouldn't be 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:19.760 considered all that 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:20.120 interesting. 01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:21.000 That, 01:19:21.080 --> 01:19:21.240 you know, 01:19:21.280 --> 01:19:21.700 ultimately 01:19:21.700 --> 01:19:22.380 lots of people 01:19:22.380 --> 01:19:23.760 mining the ATM 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:24.300 machines 01:19:24.300 --> 01:19:25.700 that I would add 01:19:25.700 --> 01:19:26.780 also have the same 01:19:26.780 --> 01:19:27.920 default passwords 01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:29.200 as the telephone 01:19:29.200 --> 01:19:30.040 access system. 01:19:30.040 --> 01:19:31.580 you know, 01:19:31.660 --> 01:19:32.400 the Uber Leeds 01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:33.840 23456. 01:19:34.360 --> 01:19:35.180 I wouldn't be surprised 01:19:35.180 --> 01:19:35.740 if that was an 01:19:35.740 --> 01:19:36.420 industry standard 01:19:36.420 --> 01:19:37.320 amongst entry 01:19:37.320 --> 01:19:37.960 systems either. 01:19:39.040 --> 01:19:39.480 Right. 01:19:40.380 --> 01:19:40.820 Well, 01:19:40.900 --> 01:19:41.320 what other kind 01:19:41.320 --> 01:19:41.940 of cool stuff 01:19:41.940 --> 01:19:43.100 did you see on here? 01:19:43.180 --> 01:19:43.880 What else kind 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:44.380 of jumps out 01:19:44.380 --> 01:19:44.700 at you? 01:19:45.460 --> 01:19:45.860 Well, 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:46.600 some of these 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:47.300 systems actually 01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:48.160 have dial-up 01:19:48.160 --> 01:19:49.180 modems built into 01:19:49.180 --> 01:19:50.780 them and the 01:19:50.780 --> 01:19:51.440 sites that 01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:52.400 manufacture these 01:19:52.400 --> 01:19:53.500 things also offer 01:19:53.500 --> 01:19:54.400 software that you 01:19:54.400 --> 01:19:54.720 can use, 01:19:54.780 --> 01:19:55.200 you can hook up 01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:55.940 your computer to, 01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:57.200 but you don't 01:19:57.200 --> 01:19:57.940 need to be on 01:19:57.940 --> 01:19:58.280 site. 01:19:58.280 --> 01:19:59.560 If you were able 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.380 to either have 01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:02.140 a friend inside 01:20:02.140 --> 01:20:02.960 the complex and 01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:03.540 you can see what 01:20:03.540 --> 01:20:04.340 number comes up 01:20:04.340 --> 01:20:05.540 when they called 01:20:05.540 --> 01:20:06.020 you to let 01:20:06.020 --> 01:20:06.580 somebody in, 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:07.580 or if you were 01:20:07.580 --> 01:20:08.460 able to ascertain 01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:09.080 this through other 01:20:09.080 --> 01:20:09.440 means, 01:20:09.740 --> 01:20:10.440 you could in 01:20:10.440 --> 01:20:11.600 theory remotely 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:12.520 hack in and 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:12.980 dial-up, 01:20:13.140 --> 01:20:13.280 you know, 01:20:13.320 --> 01:20:13.820 the old school 01:20:13.820 --> 01:20:14.440 way if people 01:20:14.440 --> 01:20:15.120 are still using 01:20:15.120 --> 01:20:17.160 modems and would 01:20:17.160 --> 01:20:18.280 be able to gain 01:20:18.280 --> 01:20:19.180 the same information. 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:23.280 Of course, 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:24.240 the ones that 01:20:24.240 --> 01:20:24.680 I've seen, 01:20:24.700 --> 01:20:25.160 I've only seen 01:20:25.160 --> 01:20:25.580 a couple, 01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:26.920 they use proprietary 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:28.180 dial-up software 01:20:28.180 --> 01:20:29.080 so you wouldn't 01:20:29.080 --> 01:20:29.660 just be able to 01:20:29.660 --> 01:20:30.500 necessarily load up 01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:31.160 minicom or 01:20:31.160 --> 01:20:32.460 hyperterminal and 01:20:32.460 --> 01:20:32.820 connect, 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:33.800 but if you did 01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:34.400 your homework and 01:20:34.400 --> 01:20:35.380 found out who 01:20:35.380 --> 01:20:36.380 manufactured it 01:20:36.380 --> 01:20:37.320 in the support 01:20:37.320 --> 01:20:37.700 site, 01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:38.660 you'd be able to 01:20:38.660 --> 01:20:39.100 download the 01:20:39.100 --> 01:20:39.720 software to do 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:40.300 it from anywhere. 01:20:40.780 --> 01:20:41.360 You know, 01:20:41.460 --> 01:20:43.240 I was kind of 01:20:43.240 --> 01:20:43.860 distracted here, 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:44.400 I'm looking at 01:20:44.400 --> 01:20:46.820 this 4.2.6 and 01:20:46.820 --> 01:20:47.560 this particular 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:48.940 model here is 01:20:48.940 --> 01:20:49.580 kind of interesting, 01:20:49.780 --> 01:20:51.940 it's operating the 01:20:51.940 --> 01:20:52.360 telephone, 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:53.960 you can make the 01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:54.920 control panel act as 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:55.620 a normal phone, 01:20:55.740 --> 01:20:56.840 press star 5, 01:20:56.840 --> 01:20:58.420 then put in the 01:20:58.420 --> 01:20:59.500 access code, 01:20:59.780 --> 01:21:00.380 whatever it is, 01:21:00.420 --> 01:21:01.040 hopefully it's not 01:21:01.040 --> 01:21:01.960 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 01:21:02.020 --> 01:21:02.280 6, 01:21:03.320 --> 01:21:04.020 enter the phone 01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:04.540 number you wish 01:21:04.540 --> 01:21:05.540 to call and 01:21:05.540 --> 01:21:07.320 press star and 01:21:07.320 --> 01:21:07.960 you can actually, 01:21:08.280 --> 01:21:09.020 see that's a cool 01:21:09.020 --> 01:21:09.680 visual to me. 01:21:09.940 --> 01:21:10.620 How cool would that 01:21:10.620 --> 01:21:11.220 be and how, 01:21:11.620 --> 01:21:11.840 I mean, 01:21:11.940 --> 01:21:12.620 if you were in a 01:21:12.620 --> 01:21:13.140 car with some 01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:13.620 people and you 01:21:13.620 --> 01:21:14.000 did that, 01:21:14.240 --> 01:21:14.860 they would look at 01:21:14.860 --> 01:21:15.440 you like you were 01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:16.820 just the ghost in 01:21:16.820 --> 01:21:17.460 the machine if you 01:21:17.460 --> 01:21:18.520 were able to pull up 01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:18.980 to one of these 01:21:18.980 --> 01:21:19.640 things and they can 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:20.580 out-dial to their 01:21:20.580 --> 01:21:21.180 cell phone in the 01:21:21.180 --> 01:21:21.700 back seat or 01:21:21.700 --> 01:21:22.020 something. 01:21:22.740 --> 01:21:23.540 It'd be great if 01:21:23.540 --> 01:21:25.140 you ordered pizza to 01:21:25.140 --> 01:21:25.960 the console in 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:26.400 the front of the 01:21:26.400 --> 01:21:26.720 building. 01:21:28.020 --> 01:21:28.660 Oh, that would be 01:21:28.660 --> 01:21:29.020 so cool. 01:21:29.240 --> 01:21:29.640 Yeah, I'm at 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:30.460 apartment zero, 01:21:30.660 --> 01:21:31.160 1, 2, 3, 01:21:31.200 --> 01:21:31.920 evergreen terrace. 01:21:31.940 --> 01:21:32.880 Yeah, just pull up 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:33.320 to the gate. 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:34.700 Yeah, just deliver 01:21:34.700 --> 01:21:35.200 to the gate, 01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:35.880 I'll be out there. 01:21:36.940 --> 01:21:37.660 Yeah, I'm in a 01:21:37.660 --> 01:21:38.380 red sedan. 01:21:40.120 --> 01:21:41.240 Yeah, I got my 01:21:41.240 --> 01:21:41.920 blinkers on. 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:44.460 License plate number. 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:46.840 Or if you were to 01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:48.220 somehow go even 01:21:48.220 --> 01:21:49.240 further and hook up 01:21:49.240 --> 01:21:50.600 like the coupler to 01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:51.980 the speaker phone and 01:21:51.980 --> 01:21:53.600 then dial in to the 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:54.940 modem itself over 01:21:54.940 --> 01:21:56.280 the other line or 01:21:56.280 --> 01:21:57.380 something, I don't 01:21:57.380 --> 01:21:57.580 know. 01:21:58.820 --> 01:21:59.520 There's a lot of 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:00.420 unique possibilities 01:22:00.420 --> 01:22:01.080 and I think that 01:22:01.080 --> 01:22:02.380 this has been a 01:22:02.380 --> 01:22:03.360 topic that's probably 01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:04.460 mostly overlooked by 01:22:04.460 --> 01:22:05.020 most people. 01:22:05.400 --> 01:22:06.660 Yeah, see this kind 01:22:06.660 --> 01:22:07.280 of stuff is just 01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:08.180 fun, hardcore, 01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:09.740 brute force kind of 01:22:09.740 --> 01:22:10.500 hacking, go up and 01:22:10.500 --> 01:22:11.420 just punch numbers and 01:22:11.420 --> 01:22:12.120 see what you can come 01:22:12.120 --> 01:22:12.600 up with. 01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:14.540 That's fun and that's 01:22:14.540 --> 01:22:15.280 one way to do it, 01:22:15.360 --> 01:22:16.440 but go out there and 01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:17.040 do a little Google 01:22:17.040 --> 01:22:17.680 mining, Google 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.000 searching and come up 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:20.500 with some interesting 01:22:20.500 --> 01:22:20.760 stuff. 01:22:20.860 --> 01:22:21.780 Now, one other thing 01:22:21.780 --> 01:22:22.380 that catches my 01:22:22.380 --> 01:22:22.960 here that's worth 01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:23.760 throwing out and 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:24.700 we're running out of 01:22:24.700 --> 01:22:26.720 time here is there 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:28.120 is an error message 01:22:28.120 --> 01:22:28.880 that will come up. 01:22:29.120 --> 01:22:30.120 It looks like it's 01:22:30.120 --> 01:22:31.060 saying, and I guess 01:22:31.060 --> 01:22:31.840 this is obviously the 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:33.620 fault, four consecutive 01:22:33.620 --> 01:22:35.140 invalid access or user 01:22:35.140 --> 01:22:36.420 codes and it will pop 01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:37.500 up with a code tamper 01:22:37.500 --> 01:22:38.040 message. 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:39.560 And I don't know if 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:40.160 that will lock the 01:22:40.160 --> 01:22:41.660 box out temporarily or 01:22:41.660 --> 01:22:42.820 permanently, so keep 01:22:42.820 --> 01:22:43.600 that in mind if you're 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:44.960 going to mess around 01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:45.540 too much. 01:22:45.580 --> 01:22:46.280 It looks like it will 01:22:46.280 --> 01:22:46.820 do that. 01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:48.580 That's interesting. 01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:49.480 I hadn't seen that. 01:22:49.480 --> 01:22:50.320 Yeah, that's 01:22:50.320 --> 01:22:50.720 interesting. 01:22:52.160 --> 01:22:53.160 Systems can have up 01:22:53.160 --> 01:22:53.960 to a thousand users. 01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:54.700 Now, a lot of this 01:22:54.700 --> 01:22:55.440 stuff is dependent on 01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:56.560 which model, etc., so 01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:57.120 we probably shouldn't 01:22:57.120 --> 01:22:57.860 focus too much. 01:22:58.700 --> 01:22:59.780 Is there anything else 01:22:59.780 --> 01:23:00.940 on here before I think 01:23:00.940 --> 01:23:01.440 we're going to have to 01:23:01.440 --> 01:23:03.040 wrap up the show here? 01:23:03.120 --> 01:23:04.020 Is there anything else 01:23:04.020 --> 01:23:05.340 that we want to mention 01:23:05.340 --> 01:23:06.100 before we move on? 01:23:06.100 --> 01:23:07.460 One last thing is that 01:23:07.460 --> 01:23:08.620 most of these models 01:23:08.620 --> 01:23:09.600 have an option for 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:10.760 keyless entry of the 01:23:10.760 --> 01:23:11.540 tenants that actually 01:23:11.540 --> 01:23:12.380 use those systems. 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:14.420 They have a four-digit 01:23:14.420 --> 01:23:15.440 code or a PIN number 01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:16.240 that you can put in 01:23:16.240 --> 01:23:17.380 that will allow you to 01:23:17.380 --> 01:23:18.140 gain access to the 01:23:18.140 --> 01:23:19.200 community without 01:23:19.200 --> 01:23:20.180 actually having to 01:23:20.180 --> 01:23:20.720 call anybody. 01:23:21.280 --> 01:23:22.080 And in this particular 01:23:22.080 --> 01:23:23.000 model, and probably 01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:24.200 others like it, there's 01:23:24.200 --> 01:23:25.040 a default PIN of 01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:26.080 1111. 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:27.700 So if you just 01:23:27.700 --> 01:23:28.560 button mash one a 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:29.320 couple times, you'll 01:23:29.320 --> 01:23:30.400 probably get right into 01:23:30.400 --> 01:23:30.820 the gate. 01:23:31.020 --> 01:23:32.600 Because everything, and 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.140 I mean everything, is 01:23:36.140 --> 01:23:37.040 always on default. 01:23:37.740 --> 01:23:38.820 It's always on default. 01:23:39.620 --> 01:23:40.280 All right. 01:23:40.520 --> 01:23:41.420 Well, and you know 01:23:41.420 --> 01:23:41.660 what else? 01:23:42.040 --> 01:23:42.720 Kind of because we were 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:43.300 chatting about this 01:23:43.300 --> 01:23:43.980 earlier, it's worth 01:23:43.980 --> 01:23:44.740 mentioning that these 01:23:44.740 --> 01:23:46.080 systems are like a big, 01:23:46.200 --> 01:23:47.840 secure, strong box. 01:23:48.580 --> 01:23:50.140 So as far as physical 01:23:50.140 --> 01:23:51.440 attacks or physical 01:23:51.440 --> 01:23:52.960 brute forcing, or if 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:53.420 you think you're going 01:23:53.420 --> 01:23:54.560 to cut any wires or 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:55.420 anything like that, 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:56.460 these things are 01:23:56.460 --> 01:23:57.560 locked down pretty hard. 01:23:57.740 --> 01:23:58.380 I mean, there's got to 01:23:58.380 --> 01:23:59.360 be a wire coming in and 01:23:59.360 --> 01:23:59.740 out of it. 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:00.820 Some wires coming in and 01:24:00.820 --> 01:24:01.360 out of these things, 01:24:01.460 --> 01:24:01.820 obviously. 01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:03.560 But generally, they're 01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:04.300 pretty secure. 01:24:04.440 --> 01:24:05.320 Maybe on some of the 01:24:05.320 --> 01:24:06.360 real old models that 01:24:06.360 --> 01:24:08.120 are half-assed stuck to 01:24:08.120 --> 01:24:09.280 a wall in an old 01:24:09.280 --> 01:24:10.140 apartment building, they 01:24:10.140 --> 01:24:11.220 might come off easily, or 01:24:11.220 --> 01:24:12.720 you might be able to see 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:14.780 the wires or access the 01:24:14.780 --> 01:24:15.760 motherboard or the 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.180 circuit board itself. 01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:18.280 But generally speaking, 01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:19.340 the more modern ones, the 01:24:19.340 --> 01:24:20.860 newer ones, are locked 01:24:20.860 --> 01:24:21.740 down pretty tight. 01:24:24.300 --> 01:24:25.040 You know what? 01:24:25.080 --> 01:24:25.640 I was just thinking 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:26.160 that would be pretty 01:24:26.160 --> 01:24:26.920 late to use something 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:27.960 like Beav's EyeWars 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:29.460 and just park outside of 01:24:29.460 --> 01:24:30.500 a building late at night 01:24:30.500 --> 01:24:31.540 with your modem speaker 01:24:31.540 --> 01:24:32.700 coupled out to a 01:24:32.700 --> 01:24:33.660 remote headphone or 01:24:33.660 --> 01:24:34.020 something. 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:35.460 And like the Saint or 01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:36.300 something, just have it 01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:37.420 dial through all possible 01:24:37.420 --> 01:24:38.980 combinations of remote 01:24:38.980 --> 01:24:39.920 entry until you gain 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:40.920 access, like an auto 01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:41.620 safe record. 01:24:41.620 --> 01:24:43.920 Well, and imagine, if you 01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:45.960 will, how fucking cool would 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.020 this be that you did that 01:24:48.020 --> 01:24:49.080 and then you pulled off to 01:24:49.080 --> 01:24:49.980 go get some pizza or 01:24:49.980 --> 01:24:51.700 something, and you pass that 01:24:51.700 --> 01:24:52.740 cop car that you saw 01:24:52.740 --> 01:24:53.760 earlier, and they go 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:56.540 swatting a fucking entry 01:24:56.540 --> 01:24:58.540 system that was dialing 01:24:58.540 --> 01:24:59.020 911. 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:02.500 Dude, how fucking... 01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:04.240 That would not be cool, 01:25:04.300 --> 01:25:04.940 but it would be funny. 01:25:04.940 --> 01:25:07.260 I mean, it would be funny. 01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:08.260 We're not encouraging you 01:25:08.260 --> 01:25:09.300 to do so, but... 01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:12.000 Abusing 911 is definitely 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:12.600 not cool. 01:25:12.700 --> 01:25:14.340 However, it's a funny idea 01:25:14.340 --> 01:25:15.900 to talk about, not to 01:25:15.900 --> 01:25:16.380 actually do. 01:25:16.380 --> 01:25:16.620 Yeah, definitely. 01:25:17.240 --> 01:25:17.960 Talk about it. 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:18.460 Don't do it. 01:25:19.100 --> 01:25:19.820 Oh, shit. 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:20.480 That would be funny, 01:25:20.540 --> 01:25:20.700 though. 01:25:21.620 --> 01:25:22.280 All right. 01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:24.100 Well, let's close out the 01:25:24.100 --> 01:25:24.960 show this week. 01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:26.900 Episode 197 is in the 01:25:26.900 --> 01:25:27.220 books. 01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:29.380 Let's see. 01:25:29.480 --> 01:25:29.900 Closing. 01:25:30.060 --> 01:25:31.000 Let's do some shouts 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:31.320 here. 01:25:31.320 --> 01:25:32.760 I'll give shouts to the 01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.480 BR813 meeting, the 01:25:35.480 --> 01:25:36.480 Tampa BinRev meeting. 01:25:36.700 --> 01:25:37.640 Shouts to everybody out 01:25:37.640 --> 01:25:37.900 there. 01:25:38.340 --> 01:25:39.580 Again, shouts to Elonka 01:25:39.580 --> 01:25:40.560 for being on NOVA. 01:25:40.660 --> 01:25:41.500 Very cool episode. 01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:42.600 My buddy, I've been 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:44.600 emailing and chatting with 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:45.540 her lately, back and 01:25:45.540 --> 01:25:45.800 forth. 01:25:46.140 --> 01:25:47.120 She's unfortunately not 01:25:47.120 --> 01:25:47.740 going to make it to 01:25:47.740 --> 01:25:48.260 DEFCON. 01:25:48.360 --> 01:25:48.980 She actually has a 01:25:48.980 --> 01:25:50.140 commitment to... 01:25:50.140 --> 01:25:51.040 She's actually presenting 01:25:51.040 --> 01:25:51.860 at a different conference 01:25:51.860 --> 01:25:52.760 somewhere, so she's not 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:53.600 going to make it, so 01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:54.540 that's too bad. 01:25:56.140 --> 01:25:57.320 Ah, and I know you'll 01:25:57.320 --> 01:25:58.120 back me up on this one, 01:25:58.160 --> 01:25:59.500 to Black Ratchet and to 01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:01.040 DeBeave for... 01:26:01.040 --> 01:26:02.260 Their newly published 01:26:02.260 --> 01:26:04.200 book, Asterisk Hacks by 01:26:04.200 --> 01:26:05.400 Singres Publishing. 01:26:05.780 --> 01:26:07.000 Go buy it. 01:26:07.040 --> 01:26:07.960 It's on store shelves 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:08.780 right now. 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:12.140 Asterisk Hacks by 01:26:12.140 --> 01:26:13.540 Singres Publishing. 01:26:13.780 --> 01:26:14.460 Black Ratchet, 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:15.720 congratulations on that. 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.760 That is insanely cool, 01:26:17.980 --> 01:26:18.860 and boy, what a lot of 01:26:18.860 --> 01:26:19.300 hard work. 01:26:20.180 --> 01:26:20.820 Seriously, buddy. 01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:21.780 Good job on that one, 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:22.260 both of you. 01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:23.360 I was also going to 01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:24.600 give shouts to DeBeave and 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:25.940 also the Telefree crew for 01:26:25.940 --> 01:26:27.780 the work that they did on... 01:26:27.780 --> 01:26:28.800 Well, all the work that 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:29.840 they do on the Telefree 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.160 PBS, the phone system, 01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:33.100 and on iWar, and the 01:26:33.100 --> 01:26:34.180 San Diego Police Department 01:26:34.180 --> 01:26:35.580 for being pretty cool about 01:26:35.580 --> 01:26:36.840 my cat accidentally 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:38.320 dialing 911 three times in 01:26:38.320 --> 01:26:38.580 a row. 01:26:39.220 --> 01:26:40.540 Shouts to the cat, the 01:26:40.540 --> 01:26:41.380 six-fingered cat. 01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:42.000 Shouts to the cat. 01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:42.840 Shouts to Philip. 01:26:43.120 --> 01:26:44.340 Philip, the six-fingered 01:26:44.340 --> 01:26:44.660 cat. 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:47.000 Oh, and I feel bad. 01:26:47.140 --> 01:26:48.860 I meant to contact these 01:26:48.860 --> 01:26:49.940 guys before it happened, 01:26:50.140 --> 01:26:51.840 but shouts to the 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:52.900 Linux Link Tech Show, 01:26:52.980 --> 01:26:53.620 to everybody over at 01:26:53.620 --> 01:26:54.960 TLLTS, the Linux Link 01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.280 Tech Show, 200 episodes. 01:26:57.280 --> 01:26:58.360 They beat us to 200 01:26:58.360 --> 01:26:58.880 episodes. 01:26:59.100 --> 01:27:00.220 Congratulations, guys. 01:27:00.620 --> 01:27:01.760 Great work over the years. 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:03.040 200 episodes of a 01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:05.000 fantastic show, so big 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:05.940 shouts out to them. 01:27:06.040 --> 01:27:06.800 You can check them out on 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:08.300 ddphackradio.org, 01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:10.420 streaming live every week. 01:27:10.500 --> 01:27:11.420 Again, that's probably them 01:27:11.420 --> 01:27:12.480 that left the mic on 01:27:12.480 --> 01:27:14.600 before, but get back to me 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:15.260 and let me know, guys. 01:27:15.300 --> 01:27:15.940 If that was one of you, 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:16.480 I'm curious. 01:27:17.480 --> 01:27:19.920 A reminder, a reminder, 01:27:20.420 --> 01:27:21.280 DEFCON meetup. 01:27:21.340 --> 01:27:21.940 We talked about it 01:27:21.940 --> 01:27:22.240 earlier. 01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:24.000 Registration desk at the 01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.680 Riviera, 3.30 p.m. 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:26.440 We're going to start 01:27:26.440 --> 01:27:27.560 walking to the malls at 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:29.220 3.45, so get there right 01:27:29.220 --> 01:27:31.560 at 3.30 to 3.45 range. 01:27:31.620 --> 01:27:32.400 If you miss the group, 01:27:32.540 --> 01:27:33.640 yeah, you can meet us up 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:34.020 at the mall. 01:27:34.120 --> 01:27:34.780 We'll be up there for a 01:27:34.780 --> 01:27:35.580 couple hours if you know 01:27:35.580 --> 01:27:37.180 where it's at and you can't 01:27:37.180 --> 01:27:38.220 get away at 3.30 or you 01:27:38.220 --> 01:27:40.120 want to watch the rest of 01:27:40.120 --> 01:27:41.060 the talk you're in and come 01:27:41.060 --> 01:27:42.760 up at 4 or whatever, we'll 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:43.600 be up there, so you're 01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:44.980 welcome to obviously join, 01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:45.700 but if you want to walk up 01:27:45.700 --> 01:27:47.380 there with the group, that's 01:27:47.380 --> 01:27:47.860 when we're going to be 01:27:47.860 --> 01:27:49.800 leaving and get back at 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:50.040 6. 01:27:50.120 --> 01:27:50.860 We'll have the t-shirts, 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:52.180 presentation, etc, etc. 01:27:52.180 --> 01:27:55.180 Hosting, hosting for 01:27:55.180 --> 01:27:56.580 Binary Revolution Radio and 01:27:56.580 --> 01:27:58.340 all of our affiliated DDP 01:27:58.340 --> 01:27:59.880 projects is provided by 01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:01.700 caro.net. 01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:02.940 Check them out for your 01:28:02.940 --> 01:28:04.240 hosting needs. 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:05.660 Site of the week this week, 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:07.120 I have tinyurl for you. 01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:10.780 It is tinyurl7v, as in 01:28:10.780 --> 01:28:14.400 Victor, Q as in quince, I 01:28:14.400 --> 01:28:14.780 don't know. 01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:15.540 Quince. 01:28:16.180 --> 01:28:17.980 Oh yeah, whatever the hell 01:28:17.980 --> 01:28:19.540 that Klingon word was. 01:28:22.340 --> 01:28:22.980 7v... 01:28:22.980 --> 01:28:25.140 What the hell, you got 01:28:25.140 --> 01:28:25.980 phlegm or something? 01:28:27.540 --> 01:28:29.540 Well, I'm in my car and I 01:28:29.540 --> 01:28:30.160 don't know what the fuck 01:28:30.160 --> 01:28:30.420 you got. 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:34.300 7vqdl, as in download, 01:28:34.700 --> 01:28:35.980 vqdl, 7vqdl. 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:38.560 Then that is a tinyurl that 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:40.600 goes to Nova Science now, 01:28:40.860 --> 01:28:41.740 which, oops, I accidentally 01:28:41.740 --> 01:28:43.560 copied over in my show notes 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:45.100 wrong, but that'll take you to 01:28:45.100 --> 01:28:46.960 pbs.org, all black slash 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:48.220 blah blah blah science now 01:28:48.220 --> 01:28:48.700 page. 01:28:49.400 --> 01:28:50.280 So, check that out. 01:28:50.360 --> 01:28:51.440 And by the way, we're never 01:28:51.440 --> 01:28:52.420 going to goat see you with a 01:28:52.420 --> 01:28:54.100 tinyurl on this show, so 01:28:54.100 --> 01:28:55.380 you're safe with that. 01:28:55.440 --> 01:28:56.340 However, if you're ever in 01:28:56.340 --> 01:28:57.660 doubt, don't forget tinyurl has 01:28:57.660 --> 01:28:58.060 a preview. 01:28:58.180 --> 01:29:00.180 I think it's preview.tinyurl.com 01:29:00.180 --> 01:29:02.640 and then the actual code should 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:04.080 show you what it is before you 01:29:04.080 --> 01:29:04.440 go there. 01:29:05.020 --> 01:29:05.840 So, very useful. 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:06.580 I use that a lot. 01:29:07.040 --> 01:29:08.880 Email, feedback of any kind, 01:29:08.980 --> 01:29:11.020 radio at binrev.com. 01:29:11.080 --> 01:29:12.060 I'm sure we're going to get a 01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:12.980 lot of it this episode. 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.100 Our closing music this week 01:29:15.100 --> 01:29:17.080 is Chronomicon, 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:19.140 Chromonicon, 01:29:19.400 --> 01:29:20.120 yeah, whatever. 01:29:21.140 --> 01:29:22.360 Subscription Box is the name 01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:23.140 of the track, I think. 01:29:23.340 --> 01:29:24.220 I don't think I've used this 01:29:24.220 --> 01:29:24.480 before. 01:29:24.580 --> 01:29:25.540 Once again, this was land on 01:29:25.540 --> 01:29:26.640 my hard drive, so if I've 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:27.860 reused it, it's worth it. 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:28.480 It's a good track. 01:29:29.300 --> 01:29:29.960 And that is it. 01:29:30.020 --> 01:29:31.100 Samant, thank you, my friend, 01:29:31.140 --> 01:29:32.560 for being on the show, and my 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:33.760 apologies for rushing us 01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:34.260 through this. 01:29:34.380 --> 01:29:35.760 I wish we, when we do it, 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:36.780 every three weeks we have so 01:29:36.780 --> 01:29:38.060 much email to go through that 01:29:38.060 --> 01:29:39.580 we don't give as much time to 01:29:39.580 --> 01:29:40.940 the main topic as we want to, 01:29:41.080 --> 01:29:42.480 but I think we got through it 01:29:42.480 --> 01:29:42.880 pretty well. 01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:43.720 I think it was a good show 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:44.060 this week. 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:47.280 And we will see everybody 01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:47.780 else. 01:29:48.020 --> 01:29:49.880 It will probably be after 01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:51.140 DEFCON in a couple weeks, 01:29:51.260 --> 01:29:53.200 but it will be Same Hack 01:29:53.200 --> 01:29:53.720 Time. 01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:56.140 Same Hack Channel. 01:29:56.980 --> 01:29:57.780 Quackar! 01:29:57.780 --> 01:29:59.500 Quack! 01:29:59.980 --> 01:30:00.980 Quack! 01:30:01.400 --> 01:30:01.620 Quack! 01:30:04.040 --> 01:30:05.500 quack! 01:30:05.500 --> 01:30:06.700 Quack! 01:30:06.700 --> 01:30:07.120 Quack! 01:30:09.660 --> 01:30:10.160 Quack! 01:30:10.500 --> 01:30:11.900 Quack! 01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:13.120 Quack! 01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:14.220 Quack! 01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:14.600 Quack! 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:15.440 Quack! 01:30:15.440 --> 01:30:15.860 Quack! 01:30:17.300 --> 01:30:17.900 Quack! 01:30:17.900 --> 01:30:18.480 Quack! 01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:18.880 Quack! 01:30:21.700 --> 01:30:22.080 Quack! 01:30:22.080 --> 01:30:22.920 Quack! 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:23.500 Quack! 01:30:23.500 --> 01:30:24.280 Quack! 01:30:24.500 --> 01:30:25.100 Quack! 01:30:25.220 --> 01:30:25.840 Quack! 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:26.020 Quack! 01:30:26.020 --> 01:30:26.640 Quack! 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:26.780 Quack! 01:30:26.780 --> 01:30:56.760 Thank you. 01:30:56.780 --> 01:31:26.760 Thank you. 01:31:26.780 --> 01:31:56.760 Thank you. 01:31:56.780 --> 01:32:26.760 Thank you. 01:32:26.780 --> 01:32:56.760 Thank you. 01:32:56.780 --> 01:32:58.780 Thank you.