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LoU Press Conferance IRC Transcript
This is a transcript of the press conferance held by LoU to which HNN was invited. This transcript has been edited. Server messages, and comments not relating to the topic have been removed. No alterations have been made to anyones statements. The editors comments and responces are in bold type. Log file opened at: 12/28/98 19:08:31EST *** Topic for #legions: The Meeting is now in session *** Topic for #legions set by optiklenz on Monday, December 28, 1998 20:03:08 #legions: spacerog @rootbot @NeatHack +Big|Feet +Zyk|on +barby__ +LordPsY +nawk @lothos +t3q @dethl0k +XeXeN +ShadoWalk @blakcloud @kInGbOnG @datapleX +optiklenz @sreality +bronc_ @UnixP1mp @[havoc] +headflux +_rash +m0f0 @dyslexia +elux_ +LordVaXen @DigiEbola +parkay @DataShark *** End of /NAMES list. *** Mode is +pmtn *** Channel created at Monday, December 7, 1998 6:30:08 optiklenz: is anyone logging? DigiEbola: yes dyslexia: yes lothos: yeah optiklenz: ok optiklenz: at anyrate DataShark: so am I. Big|Feet: same here NeatHack: log is on [havoc]: shut the fuck up ppl LordPsY: yup blakcloud: go on lothos: ssshhhhhh optiklenz: today the news reported that two crackers were being sentanced to death optiklenz: i'll wait for everyone to finish their conversation.. NeatHack: sentanced to death ?? what press any link on that info ? DataShark: PUT to death. dethl0k: that DigiEbola: from what i saw, some guy mailed my ccmail at work, from cnn optiklenz: Well it's covered by HNN if you want to read an article about it cnn wrote something DataShark: I heard they were PUT to death. dethl0k: s cruel dethl0k: erm DigiEbola: for 31000 dollars at that. DigiEbola: china. LordPsY: ok optiklenz: What they did is wrong with out a doubt, but it was no more a crime than what our President committed by perjuring himself before the grand jury of the United States of America. optiklenz: . It does not deserve the death penalty. The death penalty is something that should be heldFor only those who commit the most gruesome crimes that of murder, child rape, optiklenz: and Being a Benedict Arnold DataShark: There is a VERY big differance between putting two ppl to death and lying to some ppl. NeatHack: agree with optik optiklenz: China's actions has shown superficial, and damaging, and Iraq follows behind. optiklenz: Iraq has treated human rights issues as poorly as China has. DigiEbola: look at both of their goverments optiklenz: A nation made up of starving people While their leader rest in one of his 14 palaces taunting and parading his country men, and above all Involving other countries in his sick escapades. dyslexia: chine is estimated to have murdered approx 100 million ppl internally since the communists came to power optiklenz: . The Iraqi military has access to hydrogen bombs. What in the world do they need hydrogen bombs for? optiklenz: I don't think Something 2+ times the power of an atomic bomb should be operated by anyone for whatever prospect. NeatHack: ok but what is our realtion with them and thier miss governed govrment ? optiklenz: i'm getting to that ShadoWalk: kan the man go on a dialog? please? DataShark: WMD. they whant other countrys to fear them. same as the US. NeatHack: koll [havoc]: human rights! optiklenz: We need to carry out what the government won't, and can't do. NeatHack: optiklenz I agree.. We need to carry out what the government won't, and can't do. lothos: i agree optik DigiEbola: burn them. kInGbOnG: preach on brother optik optiklenz: The government has made threats over China's current human rights standing. They're cutting trade deals or they have in the past. optiklenz: Is it good enough? DataShark: no. optiklenz: to put it simply.. no it's not DataShark: it is fucking sad NeatHack: no optiklenz: China doesn't give a fuck if we trade with them or not. NeatHack: right DataShark: erm.. optiklenz: They dont but we sure do DigiEbola: thats the way we are. optiklenz: We get most of our imports from china in the first place. Look at the tag of Your shirt or any one of your household appliances and tell me differently NeatHack: cuase is shipper to produce their and ship to here... NeatHack: that is one point. LordPsY: sure its cheaper when children make ur shirts optiklenz: What is a threat with out some sort of whacked out maneuver to accommodate It, and bring intimidation The Chinese are all to familiar with "intimidation" ShadoWalk: ok optik.. so what are we going to do about it? lothos: optik lothos: my shirt was made in mexico lothos: heh optiklenz: The Chinese kill people when they want their point heard and when it Comes down to it we all ultimately do that with out as much as the pull Of a trigger or the push of a button. The U.S cant say they've dealt a Fair hand either optiklenz: There are enough problems in Washington as it is now. zortin8r: shit zortin8r: the meeting star? DigiEbola: not to jump ahead, but can anyone be extrodited for screwing with them? optiklenz: When half the government officials perform on a pants down agenda dyslexia: wit the trial of the person who is accused of trying to start a democratic party dyslexia: Digi, there is no extradition agreement between the US and china for computer crime optiklenz: some action has to be taken by an outside group NeatHack: outside group? like optiklenz: not the FBI, the NSA (donut shortage? Not on your life) optiklenz: and no not the fucken A Team optiklenz: I'm sure they know who we are. DigiEbola: well, if we are so hip to trade with them, they could pressure. optiklenz: and if some compliance is not met I'm sure they'll know on a first hand basis. I know what some of you are thinking at the moment "has optik gone mad?! is optik on another one of his week long drinking spree's?!" Answer: "No" DataShark: well (playing the devils advocate) what GOOD can come of some intravention buy a group already involved.. what about getting some other ppl involved.. maybe the l0pht or HDF.. optiklenz: other people have been involved zortin8r: someone bring me up-to-date what are we talking about? optiklenz: look at the cdc, and the hongkong blondes.. optiklenz: zort you know the routine optiklenz: pick up a log on your way out zortin8r: k.. DataShark: the cDc no offence will not get involved.. (will they)? bronc_: cDc + HKB = 0 DataShark: thats what I figured. optiklenz: At anyrate I'm damn serious if we don't act against our nations rights policies, and the nations of others we may not have the right to do so as time progresses. Many years ago our Countries four fathers wrote, "Governments are instituted among Men, Deriving their powers from the consent of the governed; That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends it is the "Right of The "People" to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Gove DataShark: werd.. (no offense:) ) optiklenz: THEY GOVERN WHAT WE PUT IN OUR MOUTHS! optiklenz: ! DAMMIT LETS NOT LET THEM DO THE SAME TO WHAT COMES OUT OF OUR MOUTHS! DataShark: optiklenz: are you saying we should act agenst the US govnt? DFalcon: hey bola DigiEbola: i do not like the fact that somewhere in this world, someone can be put to death for something we do freely. LordPsY: he optiklenz: I bring up Popular Sovereignty this Is the basis that government can exist and function only with the consent Of the governed (well guess what. That's us). It is the people who holdpower it is the people who are sovereign! DataShark: I agree with lerfty. optiklenz: Data> and if we do nothing it makes things better? DigiEbola: it is about power, and who can wield it. DataShark: I did not say that. ShadoWalk: optiklenz:.. so we act against who? DataShark: I cannot as a person sit idly by and watch someone be persicuted for somthing that in reality IS NOT A CRIME ShadoWalk: or whom optiklenz: It is certainly seem'd like what you were insinuating DigiEbola: we as a country are not going to shake up china, because we want their shit optiklenz: it rather NeatHack: optiklenz you know I done the war in lebanon and I saw political people going up and going down... I know in my opinion when $$$ come to play it is hard to stand but you can stand with nice understanding .... I lived the situation for year POLICATAL WAR AND REAL WAR ... optiklenz: I'm very aware of that zortin8r: 8 zortin8r: ack NeatHack: when u can stop the $$$ game you win DataShark: so what can we do? do we openly protest? do we *laff* write our congressmen? DigiEbola: and that does what? DigiEbola: show me a straight congressman [havoc]: true. DigiEbola: ill take you to hell to ice skate. NeatHack: ture DataShark: heh ShadoWalk: i think i know where he's goin with this.. i'm just waitin to see if i'm right [havoc]: mass hack. optiklenz: I say this to you LoU members.It is our right our duty, and our justice to pull through with a strike against Iraqi data systems to do so we not only aid the people of those countries, but we bring light to the subject at hand to nations everywhere. So I ask you this if you are with me then we must act now, and we must act fierce. We develop the hardware, and software they Utilize. We code the security tools that they use we can just as easily disassemble DigiEbola: name the target. blakcloud: i cant say much about this cuz im not inthe states but personally i dont think it is right what is going on over there and that it should stop... i dunno... ShadoWalk: he said it optiklenz: They've been fucking shit up for years well guess what? It's our turn. DataShark: WERD! ShadoWalk: optik.. lemme get a modem and i'm in NeatHack with you optik [havoc]: damn straight. DataShark: optiklenz: lets kick some ass. dyslexia: ppl, the bottom line issue is human rights, that is something we all must fight for optiklenz: One serve deserves another, and I plan on playing to win. If one official looks at things, and thinks to himself what he stands for is wrong, and things do need to change then we not only dominate the war, but we've already won the war. Even if things stay the same if we could bring the awareness to people who are otherwise dense in cameraperson with their actions then we're that much closer kInGbOnG: wh00p! DigiEbola: we have fought for it in that past. optiklenz: Yeah but we are giving it a new twist optiklenz: our idea of war is blowing shit up NeatHack: optik what about our gov how they will act toward this ??? optiklenz: nothing good ever came out of killing someone NeatHack: talking canada and US giv [havoc]: information warfare! optiklenz: we have nothing to do with the u.s government ShadoWalk: so we take down iraq's databases optiklenz: thats the plan LordPsY: hmmm _defiant: haxor iraqxor? NeatHack: I know ... but when u do stuff to iraq they will take it as US attacking iraq DigiEbola: rm / -Rf and dont look back? LordPsY: Thats a big thing optiklenz: We have the right, and power not to kill, but to speak out, and with our actions cripple an otherwise already broken enconomy. With the trigger they use to kill innocent people I use the same trigger to shut them down, and not only denounce one man, but the entire communist government of china, and fascist rule of Iraq. ShadoWalk: and therefor erase all their amassed knowladge of biochemical warfare.. and deliver a message at the sdame time dyslexia: optik, you have considered that if we become pain enuff to iraq or china, they may choose direct intervention with ourselves as the targets lothos: iraq == .iq i think DigiEbola: yah DigiEbola: they are not beyond hitmen. optiklenz: Dyslexia> yes dyslexia: beyond, that is their only recourse NeatHack: ok optik imagine we are able to shut all IRAQ system what will affect the ECOnomy ,, ?? or the political GAmE ... or the Shit War ?? rootbot: [sreality] rootbot! rootbot! gimme sum! gimme sum, sh1zz! DataShark: erm. NeatHack: how the damage will affect them ? DigiEbola: how good can a iraqi admin be? optiklenz: haha optiklenz: Thats what Im saying ShadoWalk: bet i could take him..heh [havoc]: so optik optiklenz: We need to make it clear that killing people (innocent lives) is not the only resolve. DataShark: keep in mind we HAVE troops over there (the US) I have friends there. lets walk lightly and carry and BIG FUCKING STICK if we do this. [havoc]: the plan for an attack. spacerog: Are you going to operate under the LoU name or form a new group? dyslexia: Digi, most of the arab countries and israel have much experience at dealing with hostile attacks, both politacally, physical and data wise DigiEbola: their systems are reputably old optiklenz: Data> that's the plan [havoc]: should we hop over to europe somewhere and launch ? or from within the us datapleX: lothos! datapleX: bah DigiEbola: dys datapleX: oh DigiEbola: true ShadoWalk: so optik.. are we going to wait until this rash thing is over? NeatHack: Well guy I think you are missing the TARGET here... buy shutting couple of server of ALL the net in iraq they will not understand I think ? DigiEbola: they use propoganda like wild fire XeXeN: yes ShadoWalk: so as not to piss off all the other muslim nations? NeatHack: U must affact them at ecomiy level NeatHack: or political level dyslexia: neathack, the unfortunate reality of economic sanctions etc are lost on the leaders, they dont suffer, only the people do DigiEbola: it would be nice if we had loyal iraqi hackers DigiEbola: working for us ShadoWalk: i saw we take out every military database we kan find.. rm / -rf it NeatHack: that is true dysl NeatHack: then how to affect them ? lothos: spacerogue brings up a good point lothos: do we do this as LoU or what? dyslexia: bring them to the attention of the world, simply as otik says bronc_: sheesh.. NeatHack: that is an idea that can affect the, u see. .ShadoWalk> i saw we take out every military database we kan find.. rm / -rf it dyslexia: optik at least Big|Feet: hrm.. on the defcon mailing list a while back someone brought up the idea "why not attack their systems" and it was argued that they don't have much connection to the net (if any) so what systems are you attacking? DataShark: what is iraqi's top level? DigiEbola: well, you know nobody likes a smart ass, and as soon as one of us walks thru one of their servers and posts, they are going to be PISSED. lothos: .iq i believe dyslexia: heh, they will have links allright, but the majority will be through sympathetic arab countries in the case of iraq _defiant: SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHATS GOING ON _defiant: heh DigiEbola: defiant DigiEbola: we are going to war. ShadoWalk: shyt DigiEbola: heh. DataShark: DO we do this as LoU or what? LordPsY: hehe DataShark: DO we do this as LoU or what? LordPsY: ah hes back DigiEbola: i want china. optiklenz: no optiklenz: we dont do this as anyone LordPsY: so DataShark: anonymous? optiklenz: no names will be left no handles or affiliations optiklenz: the chinese embassy has us under investigation DataShark: what a supprise. ShadoWalk: whooooooohooooooo datapleX: heh ShadoWalk: lets get rowdy _defiant: werd [havoc]: information warfare at its best. _defiant: heh NeatHack: _defiant :the Big image is :optik come up with the idea to attack iraq and china since they are soing shit with them population.... datapleX: uhm...that is really messin' w/ some shit _defiant: NeatHack: didn't everyone say that before heh DigiEbola: oh great dyslexia: ppl, action against governments who ignore the rights of and pretty much enslave their ppl is good in my book, buts it's not just limited to iraq and china NeatHack: and we kind agreed what we are trying to figure out what damage can be cuased ... DigiEbola: some ninja fucker is going to hunt us all down ShadoWalk: 6.4 gigz of kiq azz datapleX: heh optiklenz: one thing I want everyone to know is that we only operate if we can do so without risk _defiant: ok, lets talk about something in a public chan, then try and be anonomous _defiant: makes sense optiklenz: as i said i have no problem working with a client on his network while blasting on chinese communist NeatHack: make sence... DigiEbola: defiant, nothing on irc is anonymous _defiant: Digi: i was pointing out the irony in it DigiEbola: _defiant: yes yes dyslexia: heh, indeed digi, that is true optiklenz: but I would not want to indulge any member into something that would end up ruining his/her life zortin8r: its not like irc is encrypted or anthing.. DataShark: HAHA optiklenz: If we attack Chinese systems the attacks need to originate from china. Same goes for Iraqi networks. DigiEbola: well, efnet has services specially for the purpose of watching optiklenz: heh ShadoWalk: optiklenz: i may be a bit lame.. but i learn hella quik and i'll do it reguardless of consequences NeatHack: and how u do so originate the attack from china ?? zortin8r: has anyone here _ever_ encountered and Iraqi network? cause i have never seen one before.. NeatHack: u mean physicaly in china ? optiklenz: do the damage from a chinese network spacerog: I assume that HNN was mailed because you wanted this publiciced, yes? Big|Feet: [optiklenz]: i never even knew iraq had access to the net.. what systems to you plan go nailing so to speak optiklenz: spacerog it's your call optiklenz: Big> iraqi has networks DigiEbola: everyone has networks optiklenz: just because a majority are internal does not mean they are sasfe d4hp: herm ... optiklenz: safe rather Big|Feet: yes DataShark: optiklenz: do we REALLY want alot of attention draw to this before we do some damage? zortin8r: i think me and BigFeet are feeling the same thing here.. where the hell are the iraqi networks? spacerog: opti: cool Big|Feet: like i was saying before _defiant hides and had nothing to do with it ;) dyslexia: optik, for access to iraq we will likely need to look in sympathetic arab nations Big|Feet: the public is not allowed access to the internet in iraq DigiEbola: Big|Feet: not so optiklenz: yeah DigiEbola: Big|Feet: there are a few blakcloud: very few optiklenz: whatever we can do to keep sadaam from going on the net for his daily dose of kiddy porn DigiEbola: matter of fact Big|Feet: probly.. but censored DigiEbola: during the bombings, there was some on datapleX: heh NeatHack agree with that optik NeatHack: roflllll daily dose of kiddy porn Big|Feet: hrm.. saddam's pron stash DataShark: haha DigiEbola: hmm, ya know, if we upload a shitload of kiddie pr0n to his servers datapleX: hahaha dyslexia: thats whta they are hiding from the arms inspectors, lol zortin8r: haha DataShark: ok.. DigiEbola: i guess the government will have to arrest him ShadoWalk: heh _defiant: optik: i agree with it all again, but like, i don't want to get arrested again DigiEbola: yah, my new years resolution is that i dont have to mess with any kind of law enforcement this year [havoc]: cover your ass and the chances of you getting caught are reduced. optiklenz: If they want to fight we stand steadfast with what we believe in, and are ready To strap on our armor and take defense. LoU was established over 7 years ago As a research team, and we also called ourselves mercenaries. "We are ready to Commence, and take partition in electronic warfare if ever requested . The attack will go on for one Week. The time will be extended if needed . If anyone disagrees on the actions We are about to take let me know why. I DigiEbola: you hit a server, you better root it _defiant: havoc: i was arrested for something i never did before, make no sense optiklenz: hshs optiklenz: def> yeah that happens a lot around here _defiant: optiklenz: i'm still down with it as long as we cause no wars etc DigiEbola: lets tear them a new electronic asshole. optiklenz: it's common to hair "what network? computer? huh whats that?" over here at the office optiklenz: s/hair/hear sreality: #1.. I doubt iraq actually has military databases optiklenz: geez maybe i am drunk and just dont know it yet [havoc]: :) Big|Feet: they have to have something zortin8r: if iraq does have military databases and networks, how do we go about finding them? _defiant: DataShark: hah, no, they were serious about it DigiEbola: if it wears a turban, and crawls in sand, root it. sreality: well _defiant: it was like _defiant: YOUR UDNER ARREST sreality: best thing to start with _defiant: heh DataShark: ohhh I have one question.. can some teach me howto hack? Im running into truble when it says to press the any key... sreality: is the iraq tld sreality: scan the shizz outa that _defiant: and some police woman was frisking me optiklenz: this is just recreation optiklenz: heh sreality: then hand probe the boxes sreality: there cant be many DigiEbola: DataShark: i removed the any key long time ago.... DataShark: DAMNIT lerfty. headflux is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] optiklenz: never once have they sent a chick down here optiklenz: basterds. sreality: then goto any nations that surround iraq Big|Feet: what any any chinese governet buildings in the us i bet they have some info DataShark: optiklenz: haha _defiant: optiklenz: yeah, ccu guy and 2 chicks Big|Feet: or iraq or that matter sreality: hey. sreality: umm you forgot something d4hp: tee hee sreality: the iraq databases are gonna be in their language sreality: and umm DataShark: sreality: HAHAH oops.. sreality: none of use has charater support for that optiklenz: sreality> thats what altavista translator's for optiklenz: heh sreality: so how are we gonna know what that is Big|Feet: altavista d4hp: yeh .. Big|Feet: hehehe ShadoWalk: oh yea.. i learn hella quik d4hp: ok there bud optiklenz: haha sreality: the altavista translater doesnt do middle-eastern languages ShadoWalk: ok zort..heh _defiant: zortin8r: YOU TELL HIM HEH NeatHack: sreality> so how are we gonna know what that is NO PROBLEM datapleX: uhm...me to. I would like to try to get into LoU at this time to. sreality: becuz those languages are like NeatHack: I SPEAK ARABIC DataShark: sreality: heh well that is somein we will havta work on.. sreality: scribbles d4hp: Im from Iraq DigiEbola: optiklenz: how would you like this done? hunting parties or completely independent? spacerog: Any objections with using the LoU name in a story for HNN? If I say "A bunch of hackers declared war..." no one will listen. DataShark: anyone speek raganise? NeatHack: sreality> so how are we gonna know what that is I am orginaly LEbanon sreality: BLAHDALKHDAKHJD DIAHIASHIDHA OJIEIAUIDE MBDOMADIJWE! sreality: hahaa optiklenz: ok will if anyone has any objections they have until 8:00 pm pst d4hp: as a matter of fact, Im from the iraq military NeatHack u have a BIG arabic resource.,. GUYS .. DataShark: IM in. DigiEbola: data says he is in. sreality: its a semi good idea d4hp: boooo! sreality: but it has some faults DigiEbola: so thats 2 ppl, and a shitload of terminals blakcloud: hehe DFalcon: what ya guys talking about ? t3q: datapleX: w3rd. sreality: #1.. we need FIRST OFF some iraqie translators DigiEbola: we also have osu here, so we can work anonymously datapleX: werd sreality: #2.. we need to probe the shit outa all middle-eastern countries NeatHack: DAM read what I said sreality> #1.. we need FIRST OFF some iraqie translators DigiEbola: i want lists optiklenz: ok well [havoc]: if we are going to do this with a serious mind, we need to gather together and find specific targets, and take them out.. in a team effort. *zortin8r* wow. optiklenz: I'll be going through possible targets DigiEbola: if its buried in the sand, i will set up a mail somewhere for it to be sent to sreality: NeatHack: so like what, your gonna translate it all, lebanon is partially french speaking too [havoc]: this ballz out attack wont work without a plan. LordPsY: #3 We should get some more infos bout the Iraqi networks NeatHack: sreality don;lt worry I will handle this part bronc_: so we are going at attack Iraqi networks? NeatHack: translation is ON ME>.. optiklenz: havoc> yeah this was just to see if we should go through with something DataShark: NeatHack: ok.. you deal with the translater and the char set.. optiklenz: I'm not playing cat and mouse here so if we go in we go in prepared without risk ShadoWalk: i'm following dtatplex optiklenz: or we all go back to our jobs and coding sreality: grr DigiEbola: all i know is, one character i understand of the iraqi alphabet is # Big|Feet: i should would like to see the whole plan .. should be beautiful NeatHack: I cna have window in arabic linux I do not know ?? dethl0k: jobs and coding ;p sreality: its not safe to rely on ONE person DigiEbola: if i see a #, its all good. [havoc]: we need to make a key'd channel just for this purpose. so we can concentrate on the attacks. dethl0k: j/k sreality: we need two sreality: what if theres alot of shit to translate spacerog: Any plans to cordinate with the Hong kong Blondes? They are supposed to still be in operation. d4hp: tee hee datapleX: _defiant: I was told to bring it up at the meeting... d4hp: erm.. d4hp: like... NeatHack: I can have resource .. sreality optiklenz: spacerog> As of now I have not been in contact with any of the HKB members NeatHack: well let us not put this as WALL _defiant: spacerog: not a bad idea, we should also talk to cDc to see if theres anything we can do more "legal" together optiklenz: but I've talked to a few before lothos: we have #!LoU DigiEbola: well, it would be nice to have some help sreality: fuckg sreality: okay sreality: #1 sreality: anyone whos not a meber sreality: err member optiklenz: bronc> i'll email you something I got from a supposed "HKB" member sreality: should get the fuck outa here sreality: grr DataShark: optiklenz: cc that to me.. bronc_: o i h optiklenz: i dont plan on taking long with this attack _defiant: optiklenz: sort fucking legions.org out as well i can't get ssh to login bronc_: I was told this by a reporter spacerog: Ok, I'm gone. Thanks for the info. I should have a story up tomorrow morning bronc_: dunno if it was true optiklenz: defiant> what version are you using? spacerog: If anyone has anything to ad send me mail at contact@hackernews.com DigiEbola: i lub j00 spacerog DataShark: spacerog: later. optiklenz: talk to you later space.. Log file closed at: 12/28/98 19:53:08EST |
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