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                          UFO UpDates Mailing List
                                  Jan 1998

  Jan 1:

   Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - RSchatte [32]
   1998 A Year Of..... - UFO UpDates - Toronto [6]
   New Poll - Canada Has Most UFO Believers - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [48]
   UK.UFO.NW - IRC - Guests January 1998 - United Kingdom UFO Network [90]
   Re: The Importance of UpDates - a Request - Bob Shell [12]
   Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation' - Bob Shell [11]
   Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation' - UFO UpDates - Toronto [133]
   Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation' - Bob Shell [3]
   UFOR: Jacobs -- Resisting Abduction - Francisco Lopez [217]
   Dr John Mack and the Investigation of Abductions - Joseph Polanik [99]
   Re: Costa Rica Sighting - hersol@navigo.com.ar (Luis Pacheco) [20]
   HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! - UFO Joe Daniels [13]
   Re: Donaldson Predicts Contact - Stanton Friedman [2]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Velez [46]
   Possibly 'Moon Rush' If Lunar Probe Finds Water -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [60]
   ACC goes Public - "acsa" [18]
   Re: Dr John Mack and the Investigation of - Skye Turell [56]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Bob Shell [8]
   ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - "acsa" ['Ed Wang'] [148]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Koopmans [6]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction -
   clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clarke] [7]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Stanton Friedman
   [6]

  Jan 2:

   ACC/NEXUS - UFO UpDates - Toronto [61]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Velez [33]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - "Tom Burnett" [25]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - RGates8254 [Robert
   Gates] [71]
   Re: ACC Responds To Reports Of SAIC Purchasing Bell - Bruce Maccabee
   [7]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Velez [26]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - Bob Shell [12]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Bob Shell [9]
   Lan Lamphere, what gives? - Bob Shell [89]
   Re: ACC/NEXUS - troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr] [15]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - "skyeking@aye.net"
   [Jerry Washington] [4]
   Bill Cooper? - Lornis [Scott Corrales] [6]
   SETI 'Out of Tune' after all these years? - Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia] [38]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plicken - Jilain [Jilain Jones]
   [10]
   What if... - Jilain [Jilain Jones] [272]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - "WHITE" [John
   White] [17]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - Bruce Maccabee [23]
   Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens - Bruce Maccabee [47]
   'UFOs: A History' - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich) [22]

  Jan 3:

   Roswell '97 - 'The Winter of Discontent' - UFO UpDates - Toronto [52]
   CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: NEXXUS - slk [Francis Ridge] [26]
   UFO in Selkirk Mountains, BC, Canada - ayoung@junction.net,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [21]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Koopmans [9]
   To all webmasters of UFO related sites - John Velez [35]
   Israel '97 - Chamish Barry [Barry Chamish] [88]
   Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!? - Joseph Polanik [51]
   ACC, Lamphere, Nexus, Wang & Wolf, et al - UFO UpDates - Toronto [8]
   Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211] - Alfred Lehmberg [102]
   BWW Media Alert 980103 - BufoCalvin [84]
   Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites - Henny van der Pluijm [12]
   Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites - Theresa [20]

  Jan 4:

   Chat with FOIA attorney Peter Gersten - "Yvonne Hedenland" [18]
   Chat with Kal Korff - "Yvonne Hedenland" [15]
   Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites - Kerry Ferrand [15]
   diPietro Supports Congressional UFO Hearings - Tim Mamin [11]
   Mysterious Scottish Explosions, October 1997 - Dave Ledger [78]
   The Washington Post: UFO Book Reviews - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [223]
   Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites - John Velez [10]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 1 - Masinaigan [411]
   Betty Crocker - SKvs [Sue Kovios] [52]
   [CANUFO] UFO Military Report From BC - 1975 - boliver@Direct.CA (Bill
   Oliver) [76]

  Jan 5:

   Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!? - Robert Gates [16]
   PROJECT-1947: 1998 - The Reverse Manhattan Project - slk [Francis
   Ridge] [102]
   Historical drawing and painting evidence for UFO - OregonOtto [Jim
   Doerter] [44]
   Re: Betty Crocker - "Scott Carr" [15]
   Air Force Capt. McAndrew - Bob Shell [11]
   Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!? - clark@mn.frontiercomm.net
   [Jerome Clark] [16]
   Russian Roswell - "Nikolay Subbotin" [92]
   Re: CORSO - Philip Mantle [19]
   Re: CORSO - Philip Mantle [7]
   Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso - Philip Mantle [5]
   Re: The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso - Philip Mantle [4]
   Re: CORSO - Philip Mantle [11]
   Re: The Importance of UpDates - " Jerry Cohen" [41]

  Jan 6:

   Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97 - UFO UpDates - Toronto
   [84]
   Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related -
   http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html [232]
   Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'! - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [17]
   Re: CORSO - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [10]
   Re: CORSO - XianneKei [Rebecca Keith] [5]
   Re: CORSO - Dennis [Dennis Stacy] [31]
   Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso - Dennis [18]
   Re: CORSO - Steven Kaeser [27]
   Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!? - Stanton Friedman [4]
   Re: Letter To US President ... - Brian Cuthbertson [11]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - Brian Cuthbertson [21]
   Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso - Philip Mantle [11]
   Research Request - Philip Mantle [13]
   Bill Wanted UFO Probe: Hubbell Book - UFO UpDates - Toronto [58]
   CSETI May Have Missed Signals - Pat Parrinello [41]
   Re: Topsy-turvey - Terry Blanton [45]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - Steven Kaeser [31]
   Re: 'Murderous Meteors' - Nick Balaskas [31]

  Jan 7:

   Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211] - nld1@ix.netcom.com [Nancy
   Davidson] [8]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [8]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
   [16]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - Don Ledger [22]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - Whitewolf [Paul Whitewolf] [17]
   Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #212 [Free John Ford] - Alfred Lehmberg [73]
   'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Greg Sandow" [195]
   Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211] - Alfred Lehmberg [17]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - CFQ 2 [Charles F. Quinn
   Jr.] [22]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Terry Blanton [23]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - John Velez [31]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - John Velez [23]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr] [10]
   New Evidence Found for Black Hole - RSchatte [Rebecca] [69]
   NASA: 'Old Faithful' Black Hole Ejects Mass Equal -
   NASANews@hq.nasa.gov [98]
   Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211] - Scott Carr [8]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson) [23]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book -
   clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark] [13]
   NIDS refutes Dulce Myth - jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson) [51]
   Re: Greer's December letter to Congress - jared@valuserve.com (Jared
   Anderson) [82]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Bruce Maccabee [1]
   Fred Steckling and LTP - "Philippe Piet van Putten" [9]
   Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET - SGB List 2 [Stephen
   Bassett] [31]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - RGates8254 [Robert
   Gates] [22]
   Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan
   Aldrich) [38]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - James Easton [7]

  Jan 8:

   Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [32]
   Re: UPN 'Abduction' video - John Velez [45]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - SGB List 2 [Stephen G. Bassett] [9]
   Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS - SGB List 2
   [Stephen G. Bassett] [35]
   Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET - XianneKei [Rebbeca Keith]
   [6]
   AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast - RSchatte [Rebecca] [68]
   UPN Programming - RSchatte [16]
   UFO Report from a US Naval MP - "Ben Field" [110]
   Re: UPN 'Abduction' vide - Don Ledger [8]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Greg Sandow" [16]
   Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS - jan@cyberzone.net
   (Jan Aldrich) [33]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Greg Sandow" [18]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - BGBOPPER [Russ Este]
   [11]
   Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth - Terry Blanton [18]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Tom Burnett" [80]
   Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico - Henny van der Pluijm [23]
   Re: Photos Support Theory of New Planet - RSchatte [66]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - John Velez [25]
   Re: UPN 'Abduction' video - "George Fergus" [4]
   Re: UPN 'Abduction' video - Henny van der Pluijm [23]
   Re: UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Graham Birdsall - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [69]
   The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine - UFO UpDates - Toronto [264]
   Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico - "Tom Burnett" [13]
   UPN: Feature On Mexico City Video - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [46]
   Frances Barwood Announcement - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [45]
   Dual Spheres - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [59]

  Jan 9:

   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Greg Sandow" [19]
   Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far Side - Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia]
   [4]
   New Evidence That Mars Face Is Artificial - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [82]
   Re: Space Tourism Within 3 Years - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [102]
   Re: AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast - John Velez [27]
   Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To:=20 [85]
   Re: The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine - John Velez [34]
   Re: Dual Spheres - Bob Shell [3]
   Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far - "WHITE" [John White]
   [5]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - KRandle993 [Kevin
   Randle] [56]
   Re: Dual Sphere - "Scott Carr" [11]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Jim Deardorff [16]
   Posting Rules - UFO UpDates - Toronto [54]
   Re: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of - troodon@netnitco.net
   [David Orr] [28]
   AP: Astronomers Gauge Energy of Stars - RSchatte [77]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Terry Blanton [27]
   RAF Woodbridge U.K. - Brisciano Tony TSgt 100SUPS/LGSF [36]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Bryan Butcher [29]

  Jan 10:

   NASA's Search For ET Life Becomes Earnest As -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [91]
   Toxic Data At Area 51 Ruled Confidential - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [91]
   Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far - Jim Deardorff [21]
   Re: Scottish Explosion - Dave Ledger [6]
   'Sightings' Launches Series of Exposes on - RSchatte [50]
   The Illogical Scientist - "Greg Sandow" [16]
   Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico - Ted Viens [34]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - RGates8254 [66]
   'Sightings' On TV Exposes The UFO Cover-Up -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [31]
   More Help for Philip - Philip Mantle [13]
   'Beyond Roswell' on CD-ROM - Philip Mantle [24]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #213 - Alfred Lehmberg [67]
   Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K. - ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant] [7]
   Re: - "Yvonne Hedenland" [9]
   Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - "Yvonne Hedenland" [31]
   Re: FOIA attorney Peter Gersten chats with Byron - "Yvonne Hedenland"
   [22]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - "Terry J. Blanton" [9]
   Intruders Foundation/AIC to combine - John Velez [16]
   Re: 'Sightings' Launches Series - Chris Rutkowski [12]
   CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in the - Chris Rutkowski
   [12]
   FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over - "skyeking@aye.net" [Jerry
   Washington] [52]
   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [30]
   U-Haul's 'UFO' Trucks - UFO UpDates - Toronto [53]
   Skywatch: Filer's Files #1'98 - "Skywatch International" [328]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson) [13]

  Jan 11:

   Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K. - Bruce Maccabee [4]
   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - Michael Christol [21]
   Re: FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over - Jim Deardorff [24]
   The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.) Area -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [38]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - James Easton [23]
   Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K. - James Easton [54]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - Skye Turell [6]
   AP: 'X-Files' To Take Show on the Road - RSchatte [Rebecca] [44]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - SGB List 2 [4]
   Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11 - UFO UpDates - Toronto
   [422]
   'Eagles Disobey' - More Mars Revelations? - "Todd Andrews" [70]
   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [20]
   BAR 199801 - BufoCalvin [230]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA... - "Keith Woodard" [19]
   Re: The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.) - Whitewolf [Paul
   Whitewolf] [49]
   'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Philip Mantle [9]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 2 - Masinaigan [359]
   Re: Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11 - Alfred Lehmberg
   [24]
   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - Michael Christol [26]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - "Keith Woodard" [69]
   {87} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [471]
   {87} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [454]
   {87} part 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [466]
   {87} part 4 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [396]

  Jan 12:

   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [32]
   Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading Dock -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [65]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - joel henry [11]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No -
   entropy@brighid.sunflower.com [Tom Genereaux] [4]
   Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading - Bob Shell [2]
   Re: CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in - "gilles milot" [11]
   Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the - XianneKei [Rebecca
   Keith] [7]
   Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading - RGates8254 [Robert
   Gates] [42]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Mark Cashman [38]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Mark Cashman [19]
   Re: 'Surplus Time' - John Koopmans [40]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [7]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Jim Deardorff [17]
   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Don Ledger [15]
   Re: Lunar Prospector Begins Orbiting Moon - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [28]
   Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 - galevy@pipeline.com
   [Gary Alevy] [9]

  Jan 13:

   Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No - Michael Christol [36]
   Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the - RGates8254 [Robert
   Gates] [13]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Don Ledger [4]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [6]
   Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading -
   troodon@netnitco.net [7]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - XianneKei [7]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Paul Williams [8]
   UFO Bumper Stickers..... - "Tom Burnett" [5]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [12]
   Re: The Lesotho Incident - Jakes Louw [18]
   Re: 'Surplus Time' - Stuart.Reid@britcoun.org [18]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - Michael Christol [9]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Bob Shell [18]
   Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature - Bob Shell [19]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle]
   [25]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan
   Aldrich) [36]
   Re: The Lesotho Incident - Henny van der Pluijm [12]
   No relation - ParadigmRG [Stephen Bassett] [9]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Tom Burnett" [58]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - "Serge Salvaille" [35]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Stanton Friedman [13]
   The 8/6/97 Mexico City video - Ktperehwon [10]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle]
   [18]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [17]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [20]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - Bruce Maccabee [11]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [60]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [2]
   Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation - "Diana Hopkins" [4]

  Jan 14:

   Brave Frances Barwood - Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia] [70]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Tom Burnett" [27]
   Criteria for 'Good' info [was: ... Washington DC - John Velez [19]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [11]
   Re: Greer Briefed CIA ... - James Easton [14]
   Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [13]
   UFOR: 'Meteorite' lands in Denver - d005734c@dc.seflin.org,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [65]
   U.S. In Search Of Water On The Moon - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [75]
   Members Of German UFO Cult Released - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [42]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Mark Cashman [100]
   UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk In Russia - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [66]
   Transmit An ETmail Into Space - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [16]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Theresa [19]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Theresa [9]
   UFO News International 34 - Henny van der Pluijm [421]
   UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97 - "Ben Field" [102]
   Re: UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [97]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - Michael Christol [4]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [22]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - John Velez [27]
   The Prophets Conference - Strieber - prophets@maui.net [94]
   Re: The Lesotho Incident - Jakes Louw [12]
   Re: Thanksfor heads-up on Taiwan 'UFO Cult' story - "Terry Walker" [10]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #214 - Alfred Lehmberg [64]
   Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97 - Masinaigan [15]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [24]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Bob Shell [10]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Bob Shell [34]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle]
   [29]
   Re: Criteria for 'Good' info - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle] [65]
   Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97 - Marie Ivey [2]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [18]
   Extra Terrestrial & Time Travel Hypotheses [was - Jim Deardorff [9]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Jim Deardorff [26]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Philip Mantle [6]
   Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens [was: 'The - jared@valuserve.com
   (Jared Anderson) [41]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - chabry@simcoe.igs.net [Charles
   Bryant] [17]
   Enhanced Possibility Of Photographing Cydonia - jaser7@home.com,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [23]
   Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97 - Don Ledger [6]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [10]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [18]

  Jan 15:

   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Tom Burnett" [21]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Michael Christol [31]
   Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation - Michael Christol [16]
   Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature - Michael Christol [9]
   Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens - Skye Turell [9]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - troodon@netnitco.net
   [David Orr] [16]
   'Report on Unidentified Flying Objects' Indexed - galevy@pipeline.com
   [Gary Alevy] [172]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary
   Alevy] [23]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary
   Alevy] [8]
   Tahoe Daily Tribune: Lab Shopkeeper's Notebook - ElPatricio [134]
   URLs that may be of interest - Steven Kaeser [19]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle]
   [24]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Bob Shell [28]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [30]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [3]
   Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - "Philippe Piet van Putten" [16]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - "Keith Woodard" [12]
   Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens - "George Fergus" [6]
   Re: The Prophets Conference - Strieber - John Velez [79]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Mark Cashman [54]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - Dennis Stacy [9]
   Re: Sighting at sea - 12-97 - Brian Cuthbertson [36]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [13]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Philip Mantle [12]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [12]
   Re: The Lesotho Incident - Ralf Zeigermann [13]
   Zahi Hawass on Art Bell/14 Jan 98 - UFO UpDates - Toronto [183]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - "Tom Burnett" [15]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - "Tom Burnett" [10]
   AP: Mars' Life May Be From Earth - RSchatte [82]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - "Tom Burnett" [20]

  Jan 16:

   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Jim Deardorff [18]
   John Glenn Returning To Space - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [27]
   Project Silver Bug - yogi@iadfw.net [Bill Ralls] [22]
   Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film - James Easton [150]
   CSETI's Push for open hearings - Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia] [50]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary
   Alevy] [9]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary
   Alevy] [48]
   Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - "Terry Walker" [38]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - Bob Shell [7]
   Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - Bob Shell [4]
   UFO Specialities Inc.? - UFO UpDates - Toronto [5]
   Skywatch: Filer's Files #2-1998 - skywatch_ok@msn.com [458]
   Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - Michelle [Michelle LaVigne] [10]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle]
   [50]
   Re: Project Silver Bug - Don Ledger [18]
   Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings - Steven Kaeser [40]
   Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings - Don Ledger [14]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - Don Ledger [10]
   Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - "Philippe Piet van Putten" [9]
   Re: The 'Debris' - George Barkouris [6]
   Re: The 'Debris' - neil morris [17]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - Mark Cashman [139]
   Charles Schmid? - Ktperehwon [Karl Pflock] [12]
   Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation - Martin.Cousins@britcoun.org [23]
   Re: The 'Debris' - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [15]
   AP: Scientists Stand By Mars Theory - RSchatte [78]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [45]
   Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings - Terry Blanton [9]
   Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident - David Sielaff [25]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - Bruce Maccabee [13]
   Re: The 'Debris' - Bruce Maccabee [26]
   Chat with Jeff Rense - "Yvonne Hedenland" [10]
   Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - John Velez [5]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Steve Neeley [8]
   Idaho Teacher Gets Turn in Space - RSchatte [Rebecca] [61]
   Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation - Bruce Maccabee [24]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - setag@cyberspace.org,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [31]
   June '97 Scotish Sighting - Dave Ledger [69]
   Sci-Fi Wire: Duchovny, Anderson Sign Until 2000 -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [68]
   The Truth Behind 'The X-Files' - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [75]
   Re: Ufolawyer chatroom-Monday, January 19, 1998 - UFOLAWYER1 [29]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - Masinaigan [Joseph
   Trainor] [11]

  Jan 17:

   Current-Encounters: Portage County, Ohio - slk [101]
   Re: Charles Schmid? - Bruce Maccabee [5]
   Copyright resource - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [5]
   Re: Charles Schmid? - Ted Viens [24]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Stuart & Toni Livesey
   [Stuart] [41]
   Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of - ParadigmRG [Stephen
   Bassett] [77]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - "Larry Hatch" [12]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #215 - Alfred Lehmberg [91]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - JJ Mercieca [154]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - "Keith Woodard" [34]
   Re: Chat with UFO video analyst Jim Dilettoso - "Yvonne Hedenland" [13]
   Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia - Bob Shell [3]
   Re: The 'Debris' - Bob Shell [6]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [6]
   UFO*BC Report - UFO Crash In Chile? - boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver)
   [122]
   Re: Copyright resource - Steven Kaeser [15]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - ufo1@juno.com [Jack
   Sargeant] [5]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Dave Everett [6]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - "Tom Burnett" [17]
   Mind Scan Paradox - Joseph Polanik [134]
   Re: BWW Media Alert 980117 - BufoCalvin [65]

  Jan 18:

   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - chabry@simcoe.igs.net [7]
   Re: The 'Debris' - James Easton [90]
   Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries - Bruce Maccabee [4]
   Re: Nazi Saucers Described In Atom Bomb Classic -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [72]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Philip Mantle [21]
   Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs' - Bob Shell [9]
   The Opening of SETI article - JJ Mercieca [9]
   Photographic Analysis Needed - Philip Mantle [13]
   Gulf Breeze UFO Conference - Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia] [57]
   Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs' - Bob Shell [11]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 3 - Masinaigan [Joseph Trainor] [428]
   Green Light for June 6 People's Rally at AREA 51 - groomwatch@aol.com,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [39]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - Brian Cuthbertson [21]
   Re: Gulf Breeze UFO Conference - Alfred Lehmberg [9]
   Repeat showings of "UFOs: The 100-Year Coverup" - Ktperehwon [Karl
   Pflock] [9]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [11]
   Re: The Opening of SETI article - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [46]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [Robert Gates] [11]
   Three US Channels Offer UFO Specials - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
   (Stig Agermose) [52]
   More about Quebec ufologists - Chris Rutkowski [15]
   The Learning Channel Presents Second Week On -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [121]
   Skywatch: New Wave in Arizona - skywatch_ok@msn.com [116]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - Ted Viens [19]

  Jan 19:

   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant] [10]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [7]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - William White [23]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [6]
   Re: The Opening of SETI article - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [51]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [8]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - XianneKei [9]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - Philip Mantle [10]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle] [26]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Philip Mantle [10]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - John Velez [6]
   Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign - "Greg Sandow" [31]
   Ancient Astronauts - Philip Mantle [6]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [26]
   Re: The 'Debris' - "George Fergus" [20]
   Re: Charles Schmid? - "George Fergus" [11]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - "Michael Fouss=E9" [14]
   Re: 'UFO Crash' In Ukraine? - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [24]
   ACC's First Phase Announcement Of Its Findings -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [13]

  Jan 20:

   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Edoardo Russo [10]
   Post-human evolution and Little Gray Men - "M@C TONNIES" [28]
   DISPATCH # 79 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope - ParaScope [159]
   Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign - SGB List 2 [20]
   Re: Photographic Analysis Needed - Bob Shell [13]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [4]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [13]
   Re: Ancient Astronauts - "WHITE" [John White] [46]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - Bob Shell [10]
   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign - RGates8254 [13]
   Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book - Mark Cashman [44]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - Mark Cashman [24]
   Dilbert again - "Greg Sandow" [12]
   Re: June '97 Scotish Sighting - Mark Cashman [10]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - Mark Cashman [10]
   Audio recording made during an abduction - "Peterre" [Philip Bradley]
   [17]
   '98 MUFON Symposium - "Michael Curta" [4]
   Essay on interpretations of the UFO phenomenon - "M@C TONNIES" [11]
   Official history transistor - Henny van der Pluijm [12]
   Re: Charles Schmid? - Ktperehwon [Karl Pflock] [38]

  Jan 21:

   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - XianneKei [Rebecca
   Keith] [15]
   Plan 9 From UPN! - John Velez [76]
   Re: Audio recording made during an abduction - "Peterre" [[Philip
   Bradley]] [24]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - "Keith Woodard" [17]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
   [6]
   UPN's 'Incident in Lake County' - Steven Kaeser [10]
   Light over Australia - "S.Burrows" [Steve Burrows] [11]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Steven Kaeser [7]
   Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries - apt_6f@hotmail.com <Terry
   Walker> [4]
   Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon' - Alfred Lehmberg [13]
   UFO UpDate:Skywatch: Bell/CSETI Show Transcripts on Web -
   skywatch_ok@msn.com [Skywatch List] [46]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Bob Shell [21]
   TV Appearances - rfsignal@sprynet.com [51]
   Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County' - joel henry [8]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - XianneKei [Rebecca Keith] [14]
   Re: Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon' - Chris Rutkowski [14]
   Re: Light over Australia - Ted Viens [9]
   Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Don Ledger [16]
   Re: Plan 9 From UPN! - Skye Turell [15]
   Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign - "Greg Sandow" [3]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - CLFScribe [Lee Finkle] [5]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Stanton Friedman [11]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #216 - Alfred Lehmberg [61]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Stanton Friedman
   [9]
   Re: TV Appearances - Chris Rutkowski [8]
   Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries - Ted Viens [58]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - William White [66]
   Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County' - "George Fergus" [13]
   Lake County 'Alien Abduction' Video is Fake - ufotruth@ix.netcom.com
   (by way of John Velez) [43]
   Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast... - Scott Hale [14]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - BGBOPPER [Russ Estes] [41]
   Questions around 'Abduction' video - Frank Costa [28]
   Oklahoma Politics And UFOs - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig
   Agermose) [36]
   Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors - petekaz@erols.com,
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [16]
   Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County' - "WHITE" [John White] [5]

  Jan 22:

   Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County - "WHITE" [19]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Stanton Friedman [5]

  Jan 21:

   USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver Interviewed -
   Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) [84]

  Jan 22:

   Shari Adamiak Passes On - UFO UpDates - Toronto [108]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - XianneKei [Rebecca
   Keith] [25]
   Re: Spaulding & Heflin Pictures - RHJr1983 [Ralph Howard] [30]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Theresa [11]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - "Len Fedullo" [31]
   The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space... - Jakes Louw [232]
   Re: Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast... - John Velez [7]
   Re: My sightings - Andre P De Wet [61]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Stanton Friedman
   [14]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - John Velez [22]
   MSNBC on the Internet Highlights, January 23 30 - RSchatte [107]
   Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors - Chris Rutkowski
   [10]
   UPN's "Incident in Lake County" - Steven Kaeser [10]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle] [116]
   Re: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver - Scott Hale [75]

  Jan 23:

   Re: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space... - Kerry Ferrand
   [26]
   Re: UPN video - Paul Reischmann [14]
   Re: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space - Kerry Ferrand [34]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - XianneKei [Rebecca
   Keith] [11]
   Dr. Edgar Mitchell - Notes from The Prophets - prophets@maui.net [142]
   Skywatch Hour chat with author Chris O'Brien - "Yvonne Hedenland" [15]
   AP On UPN Abduction Video - Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
   [28]
   Chat with Special Guest Barry Greenwood - "Yvonne Hedenland" [11]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - John Velez [46]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - BGBOPPER [29]
   Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County" - "Tom Burnett" [8]
   Clinton Scandel and UFO information release - RGates8254 [Robert Gates]
   [13]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - "Terry J. Blanton" [8]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - "Terry J. Blanton"
   [40]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - Stanton Friedman [12]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Bob Shell [6]
   Re: UFO sightings in foreign countrie - Mark Cashman [9]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - Mark Cashman [45]
   Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County" - Bob Shell [5]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - Steven Kaeser [30]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - Mark Cashman [136]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Stanton Friedman [8]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - AFSDialog [Tom Tulien] [10]
   Protest UPN irresponsible UFO programming - DONZON [Donald Waldrop]
   [41]

  Jan 24:

   Aliens turn gamekeeper into millionaire - georgina@easynet.co.uk
   [Georgina Bruni] [64]
   Santilli Debunks the debunkers - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina
   Bruni] [52]
   William Birnes Interview - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni] [97]
   The Philadelphia Experiment lives on - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina
   Bruni] [40]
   Sphinx Cover Up? - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni] [48]
   SLV Winter Update - "Christopher O'Brien" [213]
   Buddist Monk Claims death threats - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina
   Bruni] [64]
   Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County" - Chris Sanderson [13]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - "Keith Woodard" [9]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat] - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle] [37]
   BWW Media Alert 980223 - BufoCalvin [65]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - XianneKei [Rebecca
   Keith] [3]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Michael Wayne
   Malone [33]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - William White [91]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #217 - Alfred Lehmberg [40]
   Chat with Skeptic/Investigator, Phil Klass - "Yvonne Hedenland" [13]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - "Len Fedullo" [14]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat] - Steven Kaeser [16]
   Re: UFO Meeting/Discussion Group - c549597@showme.missouri.edu [Barbara
   Becker] [15]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - "Steven Kaeser"
   [14]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat] - Bob Shell [5]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Marie Ivey [9]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Bob Shell [5]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat] - Bob Shell [6]
   IUFO: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax - UFO UpDates - Toronto [78]
   UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO [Current - Anatoly Kutovoy [46]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - "Steven Kaeser"
   [14]
   Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on - "Tom Burnett" [13]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - "Larry Hatch" [6]
   UFO FOrum Chat Tomorrow at 7:00 pm Mtn time - "Christopher O'Brien" [7]
   Re: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver - jared@valuserve.com (Jared
   Anderson) [14]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - Stanton Friedman [11]
   Charleston AFB, SC, 1975 - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich) [80]

  Jan 25:

   Perry, GA, Fall 1975 - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich) [74]
   Re: 'The Threat'... - AFSDialog [Thomas Tulien] [16]
   Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on - William White [54]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - AFSDialog [Thomas Tulien] [26]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - AFSDialog [Thomas Tulien] [20]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat] - BGBOPPER [Russ Estes] [23]
   Madeira Island UFO Report - Joaquim Fernandes [29]
   Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on - Rob Irving [14]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - John Velez [51]
   Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars? - Paul Reischmann [17]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - Bob Shell [36]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - KRandle993@aol.com [Kevin Randle] [20]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - Don Ledger [31]
   UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Dan Sherman - United Kingdom UFO Network [222]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - georgina@easynet.co.uk [46]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - UFO UpDates - Toronto [211]
   Re: Comments on the UPN thing - Stanton Friedman [10]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - Bob Shell [33]
   URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....URGENT....URGENT - SGB List 2 [12]
   Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars? - Bryan Butcher [20]
   Books [was: 'The Threat'...] - Dennis [Dennis Stacy] [55]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - "Tom Burnett" [41]
   Re: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax - RGates8254@aol.com [Robert
   Gates] [7]
   UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4 - Masinaigan [376]
   Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT..... - Chris Rutkowski [6]
   Re: William Birnes Interview - RGates8254@aol.com [13]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - UFO UpDates - Toronto [3272]
   Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars? - Kerry Ferrand [7]
   Re: Regarding books to read - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [22]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - Ted Viens [27]
   UFO files available? - georgina@easynet.co.uk [49]

  Jan 26:

   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - georgina@easynet.co.uk [21]
   Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings - Mark Cashman [18]
   Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats - georgina@easynet.co.uk
   [Georgina Bruni] [24]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Mark Cashman [7]
   Re: Books - natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca] [16]
   UFO FAQ Needs New Home - Henny van der Pluijm [22]
   UFO Studies [was: 'The Threat'...] - Mark Cashman [108]
   Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...] - Mark Cashman [10]
   Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4 - Mark Cashman [30]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Henny van der
   Pluijm [11]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - "Serge Salvaille" [63]
   Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars? - JJ Mercieca [15]
   Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars? - Paul Reischmann [7]
   Re: UFO Studies - William White [48]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - KRandle993 [Kevin Randle] [31]
   Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction - Michael Wayne
   Malone [7]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - William White [17]
   Re: Books - 'The Threat' - Dennis [38]
   FOIA request for non-US citizens - Jakes Louw [18]
   Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina
   Bruni] [29]
   Re: UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO - Nick Balaskas [12]

  Jan 27:

   UFO*BC News - UFO*BC [53]
   Re: UPN Abduction Video - "Len Fedullo" [12]

  Jan 26:

   Re: Science Fiction Writers - "George Fergus" [7]

  Jan 27:

   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Don Ledger [14]
   Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT..... - Bruce Maccabee [5]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Scott Carr [6]
   Re: The Tender Underbelly of Ufology... - TotlResrch [Kal K. Korff]
   [95]
   Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers - Stephen Gamble [13]
   Beyond Roswell CD ROM and Web Site - Bob Shell [15]
   Re: BWW Media Alert Flash - BufoCalvin [51]
   Body marks - William B Jennings [50]
   Re: The Lesotho Incident - Jakes Louw [8]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Mark Cashman [12]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Bob Shell [8]
   Re: UFO Studies - Mark Cashman [37]

  Jan 28:

   Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases - Psdx1 [Phil Danielson] [4]
   Re: Sightings in foreign countries - Tom Benson [13]
   DISPATCH # 80 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope - ParaScope [103]
   'True Fact' - Question... - StanleyMle [Robert L. King] [10]
   Re: UFO Studies - William White [7]
   Re: Body marks - John Velez [25]
   Re: Body marks - William White [21]
   Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers - William White [12]
   Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #218 - Alfred Lehmberg [105]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - William White [15]

  Jan 29:

   Re: Charles Halt to write a book - georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina
   Bruni] [6]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - "Serge Salvaille" [37]
   Re: UFO Studies - Jakes Louw [36]
   Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers - Steven Kaeser [40]
   Re: 'True Fact' - Question... - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [4]
   Re: 'True Fact' - Question... - "Steven Kaeser" [2]
   Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases - "WHITE" [John White] [29]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Brian Straight [14]
   Re: Body marks - Psdx1 [10]
   Re: - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [78]
   Re: UFO Studies - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [78]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Skye Turell [12]
   Re: UFO Studies - William White [26]
   Re: - natural.state@erols.com [2]
   Re: UFO Studies - Mark Cashman [31]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - "Larry Hatch" [9]
   Return to DEFCON 1 - ParadigmRG [6]
   Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases - natural.state@erols.com [Melanie
   Mecca] [2]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Henny van der Pluijm [9]
   CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: Balsa - UFO UpDates - Toronto [27]

  Jan 30:

   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Skye Turell [3]
   UFOs and the DJIA - "pcs" [Paul Stuart] [8]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [14]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - RGates8254@aol.com [8]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver) [3]
   Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - Jan Aldrich [43]
   PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs - Jan Aldrich [82]
   NASA News: 40th Anniversary of 1st U.S. Satellite -
   NASANews@hq.nasa.gov [111]
   Harry Webb? - Maurizio Verga [18]
   Help needed... - Bob Shell [12]
   CIA's 'UFO Report'? - Philip Mantle [5]
   Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - Bob Shell [6]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Mark Cashman [8]
   Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - Bruce Maccabee [19]
   Re: PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs - Bruce Maccabee [66]
   Re: UFO Studies - Mark Cashman [87]
   Re: UFOs and the DJIA - XianneKei@aol.com [Rebecca Keith] [6]
   Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again - Ktperehwon@aol.com [Karl
   Pflock] [10]
   Re: UFO Studies - William White [14]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - William White [13]
   Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction - KRandle993@aol.com [23]
   UFO Studies - William White [11]
   Re: UFOs and the DJIA - David & Angie Lynn [75]
   Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers - William White [16]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Don Ledger [4]
   Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'? - Scott Hale [4]
   Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - Sean Jones [16]
   Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan
   Aldrich) [114]
   Re: UFOs and the DJIA - "pcs" [Paul Stuart] [4]
   CIA's 'UFO Report'? - RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates] [8]
   RAF - Rudloe Manor To Close - Mike Smith [14]
   Reactions to Barry Greenwood's Resignation - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan
   Aldrich) [124]
   Re: FOIA request for non-US citizens - James Easton [16]
   Steve Schiff Won't Run Again - RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates] [31]
   Re: Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again - RGates8254@aol.com
   [Robert Gates] [13]
   Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'? - galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy] [47]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - Peregrine Mendoza [Peter Brookesmith]
   [17]
   Re: Project1947: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings - Peregrine Mendoza [Peter
   Brookesmith] [24]
   Re: Science Fiction Writers - Skye Turell [31]
   Skywatch: Filer's Files #4-1998 - skywatch_ok@msn.com [456]

  Jan 31:

   Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'? - RobIrving@aol.com [8]
   Re: Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement - SGBList2@aol.com
   [30]
   Re: PROJECT 1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs - DRudiak@aol.com [66]
   Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction - John Velez [25]
   Re: UFO Studies - Mark Cashman [32]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - werd@interlog.com [Drew Williamson]
   [16]
   Re: Underground Bases - Psdx1@aol.com [Phil Danielson] [43]
   Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - Mark Cashman [21]
   Material for new TV show - A grovelling beg of the - "Michael J. Woods"
   [79]
   Gersten and Bassett discuss Government Disclosure - "Yvonne Hedenland"
   [20]
   Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings - "Larry Hatch" [10]
   Re: The Battle of Los Angeles - jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich) [19]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #219 - Alfred Lehmberg [75]





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                Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:33:55 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:22:57 -0500
Subject: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> 0bduction  That's their mistake, not mine!--Rebecca

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Return-path: <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: UPN to Present Chilling Video Record of a Family's...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:33:44 EST

UPN to Present Chilling Video Record of a Family's Fateful
Encounter With Extraterrestrials When ``Alien 0bduction: Incident
in Lake County'' Airs Tuesday, Jan. 20, 9-10 p.m. ET/PT

LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Dec. 31, 1997--

McPherson Family's Video Is the Sole Testament to the Missing Family's Fate

UPN will present a one-hour special centered on an alleged
videotaped account of a family's purported encounter with what
may  be extraterrestrial life forms when ``Alien Abduction:
Incident in  Lake County'' airs Tuesday, Jan. 20 (9-10 p.m.
ET/PT).

The recently acquired videotape is the sole testament to the
fate of the McPherson family, missing since last Thanksgiving
Day.

(Editors please note:  Regularly scheduled programming is
pre-empted on this date.)

Apparently recorded and, at various times, narrated by the
family's 16-year-old son, Thomas McPherson, the startling footage
shows the family gathering with friends to celebrate
Thanksgiving on  Thursday, Nov. 27, 1997.  A series of strange
occurrences, caught by  the camera, culminate in what appears to
be a frightening encounter  with strange creatures.

During the special, several people who claim to have had similar
experiences relate their ordeals, and experts on aliens discuss
the authenticity of the videotape.

    --30--DB/la TJM/la

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                             1998 A Year Of.....

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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 00:28:36 -0500
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Subject: 1998 A Year Of.....





To all UpDates Subscribers, Contributors and Readers around the
Planet,

May this New Year bring us all whatever it is we want and wish
for, no matter how earth-shattering or seemingly small.

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                  New Poll - Canada Has Most UFO Believers

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:31:24 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 10:32:09 -0500
Subject: New Poll - Canada Has Most UFO Believers

These items were found in the news section of the Sci-Fi
Channel's "Sightings" page. URL:

http://www.scifi.com/sightings/web091197/news.html

I have changed the order a bit so that the UFO one comes first.

Happy New Year!


Stig


*******


CANADIANS DO BELIEVE!
In Ottawa, Canada, the results of a significant new UFO survey
suggest that the U.S. is no longer the ufology capital of the
world. A renowned polling firm, the Angus Reid Group surveyed
more than fifteen hundred carefully chosen adults who
statistically speaking represent all of Canada. The pollsters
found that a remarkable seventy percent of all Canadians believe
in the possibility of extraterrestrial life. When asked if they
think that alien beings have already visited earth, fifty percent
said yes and another forty percent said that if they haven't
already, they will. As Hubble probes unchartered space territory
and NASA announces there may be live on Mars, a majority of
Canadians may just be reflecting what the rest of the world is
thinking. We are not alone.


THE THIRD MAN!
Bigfoot advocates are feeling pretty smug these days. For years,
Crypto zoologists have argued that Neanderthal man and Homo
Sapiens are not the only humans to have walked the earth
together. There's a third human species out there they've been
insisting and it turns out they're probably right.

In Java, on the banks of the Solo River, skulls of an early human
species, Homo Erectus have been unearthed. And from a time when
they should have been extinct. While some scientists believe that
these fossils are a very early branch on Bigfoot's family tree,
most will only say that it is time to challenge the belief that
we are the direct descendents of Homo Erectus.

Mainstream anthropologists have only recently acknowledged that
Homo Sapiens ever co-existed with anybody at all. And so, their
acceptance of a third species, hovers between slow and stagnant.
But some scientists are encouraged and moving forward quickly.
The discovery that Homo Erectus has apparently outlived its
supposed extinction by more than two hundred thousand years gives
hope to those who feel that reports of Bigfoot's extinction are
greatly exaggerated.


CHUPACABRAS ON THE NET!
On the World Wide Web, a blood sucking humanoid first discovered
in Puerto Rico is now invading *the Internet. The Chupacabra or
goat sucker is the latest monster to emerge from the shadows of
myth and take the heat for a mysterious string of bizarre
livestock deaths. With one *mouse click, you can download images,
get up to date facts with the chupacabra time line and read first
hand accounts as they come in from new eyewitnesses.










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                    UK.UFO.NW - IRC - Guests January 1998

From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:10:12 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 10:29:31 -0500
Subject: UK.UFO.NW - IRC - Guests January 1998

UNITED KINGDOM UFO NETWORK

United Kingdom UFO Network are immensely honored to announce that
the following are to be very special guests on our UFO irc
channel.

Graham W. Birdsall: World respected ufologist. Editor of UFO
MAGAZINE probably the best UFO magazine published in the UK.
Graham has recently returned from being a guest speaker at the
largest UFO conference ever, in Brazil. He will be telling us all
about it.

Graham will be answering your questions live in a moderated
meeting taking place at 11pm UK time on Saturday 10th January
1998.

http://www.ufomag.co.uk/

Dan Sherman: Author of 'ABOVE BLACK - Project Preserve Destiny -
Insider Account of Alien Contact and Government Cover-Up'

Chosen because of his abilities derived from "genetic
management", Sergeant Dan Sherman was propelled into the covert
world of alien inter-action through the corridors of NSA, USAF,
CIA and NRO. What he learned forced him to seek a discharge from
the USAF at all costs.

http://www.aboveblack.com/

Dan will be answering your questions live in a moderated meeting
taking place at 11pm UK time on Saturday 31st January 1998.

All dates have been confirmed.

If you are using one of the dedicated IRC programs such as the
excellent MIRC available free from: http://www.mirc.co.uk/ enter
one of the below irc server addresses into your program. The
nearer the server to your location the faster the connection. If
one fails then try another.

If you wish to use your web browser to connect to the meetings,
see foot of page.

Once connected join channel #UFO

Hardanger.NO.EU.UltraNET.Org
Johnson-City.TN.US.UltraNet.Org
Mons.BE.EU.ultraNET.Org
Channels.UltraNET.Org
PanamaCity.FL.US.UltraNET.org
Vicksburg.MS.US.UltraNET.org
Madison.NJ.US.UltraNet.Org
London.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
Belgrade.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Kalemegdan.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Singidunum.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Zemun.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Bor.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Testlink.HK.UltraNet.Org
Neuilly.FR.EU.UltraNET.Org
Harrow.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
San-Diego.CA.US.UltraNet.org
Uworld.UltraNET.org

If you wish to use your web browser to connect to the meetings go
to url:

http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk/

Select 'Live IRC chat' button at the top left of page and follow
easy online instructions.

The meetings will commence live at the following world times.
This is not a definitive list. Times will vary depending on your
part of the world.

United Kingdom: 11pm
Auckland: 10am (Sunday)
Beijing: 6am (Sunday)
Berlin: Midnight
Cairo: 1am (Sunday)
Colorado Springs: 4pm
Hong Kong: 6am (Sunday)
Jo'Burg: Midnight
Las Vegas: 3pm
Los Angeles: 3pm
Moscow: 2am (Sunday)
New Delhi: 4am (Sunday)
New Orleans: 5pm
New York: 6pm
Paris: Midnight
Perth: 7am (Sunday)
Rio De Janeiro: 7pm
Riyadh: 1am (Sunday)
Rome: Midnight
Singapore: 6am (Sunday)
Sydney: 9am (Sunday)
Tel Aviv: 1am (Sunday)
Tokyo: 7am (Sunday)

If you wish to know the times of meetings in your part of the
world please send mail to:

ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk

Subject heading: IRC WORLD TIMES

In the body of your message put your country and nearest major
city.

--------------------------------
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk
United Kingdom UFO Network
http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk/
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                  Re: The Importance of UpDates - a Request

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:01:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 10:39:19 -0500
Subject: Re: The Importance of UpDates - a Request

>From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:35:08 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: The Importance of Updates - a Request

>To the Members of UpDates

>This mailing list is one of, if not the best, internet forums
>available.

Agreed.  I have found nothing better, nothing which even comes
close.

>There are major pending political developments which have the
>potential to lead to disclosure regarding the issue this list is
>dedicated to and which will unfold in the next 3 months.

If you believe we will get the answers in the next three months,
I have some nice bridge property in New York City that I'd like
to show you.

>This is not the time for people to be leaving.  Rather it is time
>for list members to be recruiting the highest quality
>participants from within and without the field of
>extraterrestrial phenomena research.

Agreed, again.

>This list is of critical importance to my work and others who are
>using it as a source for current information and analysis.  The
>broader the commentary, the greater the value.

>I strongly encourage you to view this list, not as a matter of
>personal like and dislike, but as a major resource which has the
>potential to affect history.  Every researcher in the country
>should be subscribing.  Events are going to be moving so quickly
>in due course, that a national venue for rapid response and quick
>exhchange will be essential.

>The UFO research community stands on the two yard line after a
>50-year march up a very muddy field.   It's time to bunch
>together and finish the job.

>Steve Bassett

I think every serious UFO researcher ought to be here, too.
Unfortunately, quite a few of them don't even own computers, and
of the ones who do, many are not on the internet.  I urge them at
every opportunity to get up to speed, but it often falls on deaf
ears.

Bob









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                      Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:02:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 10:47:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

>From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "UFO Updates" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:42:59 -0800

>> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:59:36 -0500
>> Fwd Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:11:45 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

>> Back in the late 60s I ran into Alan Watts, a sort
>> of hippie guru and friend of Tim Leary.  I don't think
>> he was British, though.  The Alan Watts I knew wrote a
>> bunch of books on mysticism and Zen.

>> Probably not the same guy.

>Definitely not the same guy, Bob.  The Watts you knew was born in
>1915 in England, moved to America in the thirties, and died in Mill
>Valley in 1973.  He was probably the most important popularizer of
>Zen the West has seen.  Some of his pals who are still kicking
>include Gary Snyder, Huston Smith, and Robert Anton Wilson.

>Kind regards,

>Keith

Keith,

Thanks.  I didn't really know Watts.  Ran into him a time or two
in Washington, DC, at meetings of the old Washington Sexual
Freedom League.  Since I'm not into Zen, I didn't know he was so
pivotal.

Although we have been out of touch for some time, Robert Anton
Wilson is an old and dear friend.  You may note that in his
_Cosmic Trigger_ he says that I am the real head of the
Illuminati.  He also used me as a sinister character lurking in
the background of a couple of his "fiction" works.

Bob








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                      Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:34:19 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:34:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'





>Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 22:04:45 -0600 (CST)
>From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Alan Watts


>A book entitled "UFO Visitation" by British author
>Alan Watts has come into my possession (thru a trip
>to Barnes & Noble).  The copyright date is 1996.
>Just so I can read it with a little perspective,
>are any of you on the list familiar with Mr. Watts,
>his background, and his reputation (if any) in the
>field?


Brian,


-----

Also came across the following from:

http://ntdwwaab.compuserve.com/homepages/AndyPage/ufovisit.htm


Ufo Visitation : Preparing for the Twenty-First Century


Title: Ufo Visitation : Preparing for the Twenty-First Century
Author: Alan Watts
Publisher: Blanford Press
Date: 1996
My personal rating: 4/10

A very strange and on the whole disappointing book which will
appeal to the more wild-believers and "New-Agers" among you.

The author believes that we have been visited for many years by
UFOs (as do I) and that it is all part of an ongoing opening up
of human awareness. The book deals with channelling and the
messages from the "Council of Nine", the Universal Government.

It all starts quite well with some interesting sightings, and
stories but soon goes in the channelling/new age aspect of
UFOlogy far too much. It discusses things such as: The Universal
Grid and Mind and Universe store ! (This apparently explains how
telepathy and other psychic manifestations to operate) and The
legend of Atlantis

The book mixes in various "scientific" ideas throughout to try
and prove certain points, but only succeeds in confusing the
reader more. The book tries to explain to many mysteries such as
crop circles, Channelling, Spontaneous Combustion, Atlantis,
anti-gravity, mysterious animals etc. etc. and tries to link them
all into the UFO field.

Only for you out there who like me what to read about all aspects
of UFOlogy, including the "crazier" stuff.

-----

From: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ee65/lib3.htm

UFO QUEST by Alan Watts

Reviewed by Barbara Russell
Published by Blandford 7.99 Pbk 192pp.

For Alan Watts, the alien spacecraft is an unequivocal nuts and
bolts flying machine. A trained scientist and lecturer, he has
studied the phenomenon since the 'heady days' of the 1950s and
60s, when there was an unprecedented wave of UFO activity.

Alan feels that this sudden, extra-terrestrial interest in our
affairs was due in part to our newly found ability to blow
ourselves up. Then the various space programmes that followed the
development of the atomic bomb also highlighted the need for
continuing surveillance. And, interestingly, he speculates that
the reason for the relative decrease in recent sightings is
because of the difficulties caused by the pollution of 'space
junk' that now envelopes our planet - a problem that the space
powers-that-be probably never even thought of...

As a UFO witness himself, Alan speaks with respect, and even
affection, for these mysterious flying machines. He regards it a
'privilege' to have witnessed a saucer-carrying leviathan, a
'great craft', that could have previously cruised our airspace.

Alan gives as much weight to anecdotal evidence as to the
scientific aspects of the UFO enigma. This, of course, adds
strength to the book, but at times he seems surprisingly
uncritical. He devotes a whole, sympathetic chapter to George
Adamski's experiences, for example. Adamski's testimony has
certainly not been universally accepted. And can dowsing really
give us reliable evidence about a crop circle's 'genuiness'?

But overall, I think this book will prove to be a very useful
addition to the UFO canon - it goes a long way towards explaining
the mysteries of the alien space craft and their apparent
idiosyncratic behaviour. It is a well presented book, and the
diagrams help us over most of the mathematical hurdles. As usual,
the extent to which we go along with the writer's conclusions
remains an individual matter.

And, finally, this from: http://services.csi.it/~ufo/watts18.htm

and 'translated' from Italian to English by AltaVista's on-line
translator:

THE RETURN OF " FLYING DISCS "
of Edoardo Russo

[ " UFO Dossier - To the discovery of the wonderful machines ",
Alan Watts, MEB, Padova 1996, 272 pages (UFO Quest, Great Britain
1994) ]

To read this book is in great part to make a travel in the time:
the substance of the book, and great part of the brought back
casuistry, go back in fact to beyond thirty years ago and the
text could have been written in 1964, instead that in the ' 94.

The author is former-teaching of technical institute that in
first years ' 60 made part of London ufologici groups, between
which the BUFORA, in order then distaccarsene when this assumed a
scientific attitude towards the problem.

In all this time, beyond writing books on several arguments,
Watts he has maintained the interest for the ufologia
intermittent (as he demonstrates an accidental and fragmentary
bibliography), he has had various personal sights of inexplicable
aerial objects for he and in short it is remained firm to the
cases and the arguments that had made it to get passionate to
flying discs.

We find again therefore a part consisting of the text that
disquisisce of electromagnetic propulsion, of anti-gravity (but
without approfondirla, because the author admits not capirci
nothing!), of chromatic variations of the brightness of the UFO
correlated to their behavior of flight, on the base of the same
approximate cognitions that studded the books of the first decade
of the ufologia.

It is astonished reading reasonings to us on the operation of
discs flying based on the photos (universal recognized like
false) of the contattista George Adamski, or finding again
disquisitions on the isoscelia of the places where they would
have been observed UFO (in order not to say of the ortotenia):
but end can here be thought that in bottom it is alone ignorance
for the ufologica pubblicistica of last the 25 years, that it has
already wide examined in depth and then abandoned as infondate
all one series of false tracks.

What must think but about an author who calls " leviatani " those
that for he are traditional the spaceship-mother sigariformi of
years ' 50; that it excludes that the flying triangles of years '
60 were just what they were (stratospheric footballs); that it
disowns the confessions of the same witnesses whom they have
admitted to have made make up photographic; which manifest an
incredible superficialit2a in bringing back fished cases of sight
from the disparate and disomogenee sources (comprised the
novel-hoax of Langford on the "UFO in victorian age ", the fables
of the Swiss contattista Meier, the " lunar cities " of the
fantasista Wilson), for inferirne exactly the considerations that
square with its pseudo-physical theories? *** TRANSLATION ENDS
HERE ***

Non =E8 quindi solo nella documentazione che l'autore si rivela una
sorta di sopravvissuto ad un'epoca che non c'=E8 pi=F9, ma =E8 anche
nell'atteggiamento di credenza ingenua a qualsiasi cosa sia stata
scritta, detta o affermata, che Watts somiglia in un certo senso
a quei soldati giapponesi che per decenni si nascondevano nelle
giungle del Pacifico, ignari della fine della guerra.

Il che non toglie che, nell'attuale clima di revival ufologico
italiano, la traduzione di un libro del genere pu=F2 anche
accontentare il palato di neofiti dell'argomento, del tutto
digiuni di quello che - nel bene e nel male - l'ufologia ha
prodotto in tre decenni ricchi di sviluppi.

[tratto da: UFO - Rivista di informazione ufologica n. 18,
luglio-dicembre 1996 semestrale a cura del Centro Italiano Studi
Ufologici =A9 CISU, casella postale 82, 10100 Torino, tel. 011
3290279, fax 011 545033]

-----

Perhaps Steve Gamble of BUFORA (el82@dial.pipex.com) could
provide you some more details on Watts?







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                      Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:01:59 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:47:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'

>From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>,
>Subject: Alan Watts' 'UFO Visitation'
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:06:20 -0200

>>>A book entitled "UFO Visitation" by British author
>>>Alan Watts has come into my possession (thru a trip
>>>to Barnes & Noble).  The copyright date is 1996.
>>>Just so I can read it with a little perspective,
>>>are any of you on the list familiar with Mr. Watts,
>>>his background, and his reputation (if any) in the
>>>field?

>>>Thanx in advance,

>>>-Brian Cuthbertson

>>Brian,

>>Back in the late 60s I ran into Alan Watts, a sort of
>>hippie guru and friend of Tim Leary.  I don't think he
>>was British, though.  The Alan Watts I knew wrote a bunch
>>of books on mysticism and zen.

>>Probably not the same guy.

>>Bob

>Dear colleagues and friends,

>You're definetely not talking about the same person.
>The mystic Allan Watts is deceased now, but there is another man,
>with the same name, who's involved in UFO research.

>Best regards,

>Philippe Piet van Putten

Thanks for the clarification, Philippe.  I was not aware that
Alan Watts the mystic had died.

Bob








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From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:41:43 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: UFOR: Jacobs -- Resisting Abduction

From: Blue Resonant Human <density4@cts.com>

::: Jacobs -- Resisting Abduction :::

Some brief musings on Jacob's New book:

The Threat -- The Secret Agenda:
What the Aliens Really Want ... and How They Plan to Get It
1998 by David M. Jacobs, Ph.D.
Simon & Schuster  ISBN 0-684-81484-6

There is an interesting section in this provocative work which
documents the apparently successful efforts of a young woman to
sabotage the parasitic abductors' attempts to perform their
presumably all-important "MindScan" on her.  I found the account
of interest for a number of reasons.

It has been noted by a prominent science fictionist that
sufficiently advanced technology may be virtually indistinguish-
able from magic.  Now this is a very popular quote amongst many
UFOlogists, yet raised on a diet which consists largely of
materialistic scientism, it may be difficult for many of us to
perceive that the converse may apply equally well; that
sufficiently advanced magick -- when filtered through the lens of
our own culturally-imposed perceptual framework -- may appear to
be high tech gadgetry, in much the same fashion that the angels
and daemons of yesteryear have now morphed into good and bad
space aliens before our very eyes.

To his credit, Dr. Jacobs can perceive one side of this with a
great deal of clarity.  In fact, he makes the particularly
convincing point that John Mack & Edith Fiore (for instance) are
therapists, not investigators.
Therefore, as Jacobs so poignantly puts it, "finding out exactly
what happened to the abductee is less important than what the
client THINKS happened to him -- the account's accuracy or
truthfulness is of little concern." [p.53]

Yet to his detriment, he then turns right around and allows his
own scientific bias to run amok; fabricating an elaborate
conceptual construct upon his own theory-embedded perceptions and
presuppositions:

 "The aliens' ability to stare into the abductees' eyes and effect
  a wide variety of changes in brain function is extraordinary.  At
  first it seems almost supernatural or mystical, as if Svengali
  were peering into Trillby's eyes, mesmerizing her to do anything
  he wanted.  But the mystical and supernatural are not part of the
  abduction phenomenon.  The aliens use their advanced knowledge of
  human physiology to control humans..." [p.83]

The list of assumptions in the above paragraph is literally
staggering when viewed with the childlike eyes of an innocent,
untainted by the clever sophistry of modern scientism.

 o  What is an "alien"?  Is it a faerie?  A gnome?  An earth
    spirit?  An elemental?  A leprechaun?  An angel?  A daemon?
    An elf?  A goblin?  A martian?

 o  An "abduction."  Is it a literal, physical 3D event, or an
    etheric ("astral"), non-physical OOBE type experience?

 o  Why is the clearly magickal influence of these transmundane
    entities stripped of it's mystical wonder and relegated to the
    hopelessly mundane realm of some misfiring neurons?

 o  Why are the clearly mystical and supernatural elements of the
    "alien" encounter mythos unwelcome in the dogmatic camp of
    latter-day scientism?

 o  Do we feel somehow safer or more secure if we perceive the
    "bewitching spell" of the unimaginably different entities to
    be merely the mechanistic employment of physical technologies
    which affect us merely physiologically?

It strikes me that a large portion of the culturally-validated
methodology of modern science en toto consists of merely labeling
things in lieu of understanding their true dynamics.  Our modern
medical shamans, for instance, often mask the outward symptoms of
a dysfunction, quietly afraid to admit they haven't a clue as to
the root cause while our finest physicists have dutifully
provided us with labels for 'lectrons, protons, neutrons, gluons,
and even klingons yet still can't explain what holds an atom
together or whether light is a particle or a wave.  But hell, at
least we've done a fine job labeling everything!

::: sigh :::

So we'll grant Dr. Jacobs the liberty to speculate a bit here,
based upon his perception of the perceptions of others who find
themselves suddenly thrust into an environment wherein there are
no culturally-validated entries in the symbol-table of the
language (or even the conceptual matrix of consensus reality!)
with which they may adequately describe the bizarre events.

  "The aliens' ability to control humans comes through the
  manipulation of the human brain.  For example, when the
  alien moves close to the abductee's eyes to begin the staring
  procedure, almost immediately the abductee feels emotional
  and physical effects.  One way to explain this is that the
  alien uses the optic nerve to gain entrance to the brain's
  neural pathways.  By exciting impulses in the optic nerve,
  the alien is able to 'travel' along the optic neural pathway,
  through the optic chiasma, into the lateral geniculate body,
  and then into the primary visual cortex in the back of the
  brain.  From there he can travel into the secondary visual
  cotrtex in the occipital lobes and continue into sites in the
  parietal and temporal lobes and the hypothalamus.  Through
  that route, the alien can stimulate neural pathways, travel
  to many neural sites, and cause the 'firing' of neurons at
  whatever site he wants.

  "Brain stimulation allows the alien to produce a range of
  effects.  If the alien can connect into the neural pathways,
  he can reconstitute an abductee's memories.  He can inject
  new images directly into the visual cortex, bypassing normal
  retinal observations, and cause people to 'see' things that
  become a part of their abduction 'memories.'  He can activate
  sites within the limbic system and cause strong emotions, such
  as fear, anger, and affection.  He can create feelings of
  sexual arousal that build relentlessly to a peak.  And he can
  institute a form of amnesia that helps to preserve secrecy."
  [p. 84]

According to this culturally accepted purely physiological model,
we can sleep more safely at night, for the clever space aliens,
we are told, are not at all mysterious goblins of seemingly
omnipotent power and dubious intent but merely some curious
scientists (just like our very own scientists!) whose clumsy
bedside manner has perhaps suffered a bit in lieu of the noble
scientific pursuits of these lovable li'l techno-nerds from the
stars.

"But wait just a minute here, Brother Blue!" you say, quickly
snapping out of the spell of complacency so insidiously cast upon
you by such magickal incantations as:

 o  the optic neural pathways
 o  the optic chiasma
 o  the lateral geniculate body
 o  the primary visual cortex
 o  the secondary visual cotrtex
 o  the occipital lobes
 o  the parietal and temporal lobes
 o  the hypothalamus
 o  the limbic system

Ah, so you are far too clever to be taken in by such neuro-
linguistic magick!  Too wary to be bamboozled by such bewitching
techno-babble.  So you have seen that the entire superstructure
upon which Dr. Jacobs has built this elaborate facade is
comprised of nothing more than the teetering scaffolding of the
proposed roller-coaster ride down the abductee's "optic nerve."

Unfortunately, as we read on, we shortly discover this candid
admission: "How the aliens engage the optic nerve is, of course,
unclear..."

Oops.

But just for fun here, nay in the very interest of Science
Itself, let us grant this one liberty; this one small
forgiveness.  Let us with great grace and mercy suppose that the
proposed "optic nerve" scenario is accurate.  Let us fasten our
photon belts and see where this exercise takes us.

 "Once joined with the abductee's neural pathways, the alien
  essentially has free reign to do what he wants.  The abductee
  is no longer in control of his own thoughts.  The aliens can
  exercise absolute power over the minds and bodies of the
  abductees.  They can make the abductees think, feel, visualize,
  or do anything the aliens want.

 "But another abductee successfully resisted mental engagement.
  During a recent abduction, Reshama Kamal found that she had
  more muscle control than usual and she used it to prevent a
  neural connection.  She shifted her eyes back and forth rapidly
  while reciting an Arabic religious phrase.  The first alien
  tried to lock into her eyes but could not.  He diverted her
  attention by causing a pain in her head, and he threatened not
  to take her home, but she refused to give in.  Another alien
  took over and increased the threats.  Still she refused to stop,
  although she was getting dizzy moving her eyes back and forth.
  A third alien tried, and then a fourth.  They could not stop
  her from shifting her eyes.  Eventually they gave up and said
  that they would continue the procedure at the next abduction."

What horror is this?!  The friendly space brothers of John Mack
and Richard Boylan have morphed into galactic bullies; our
lovable Albert Einsteins From The Stars have shed their sheepish
schoolboy grins and become before our very eyes Herr Doktor
Mengele!  What horror is this?!

"It's a damn good thing we remembered the 'optic nerve' scam!" we
quietly assure ourselves, for if we can only manage to break free
of the accompanying paralysis long enough, we can jiggle our eye
balls real fast and stymie that godawful MindScan.  Our heroine,
Reshama Kamal, does just that and -- lo and behold! -- the
diabolical plans of the malevolent space alien Scientists are
foiled by the very Science they worship and serve!
Yes, Science is once again the hero; it has proven to be the
Modern Messiah we had all hoped it would be.  Hurrah!  Science
has saved the day!

Yet there is that one troublesome detail which -- even despite
his admittedly anti-Svengali-ish technological/physiological bias
-- Dr.
Jacobs left in the puzzle.  Why did Ms. Kamal feel compelled to
recite an Arabic religious phrase during the parasitic abduction?
This oddly out-of-place detail simply does not fit into the rigid
test tube of our Scientific model, no matter how desperately we
attempt to mash it into place.

Like fingernails on the blackboard, it cries aloud in a cacophony
of discordant noise; relieving itself like Schroedinger's cat all
over our pretty white labcoats!  How DARE it profane our
carefully crafted Scientific model so arrogantly!  Like that one
black sheep in the family; that solitary stale Milk Dud in the
package of chocolate pleasure, spinning deosil to the widdershins
way of Club Scientism's doctors of spin, it simply refuses to be
silenced.

Yea, it cries out to us, and we must needs listen to those cries.

What, then, are we to make of this obnoxious detail?  This one
single bit of hopelessly unScientific superstition?  For it is
this one insignificant detail which may topple our entire house
of Scientific cards if we're not careful.  But examine it we
must, for we are Scientists!  Unlike our primitive, superstitious
ancestors we seek only truth and this truth can be found only by
employing the Scientific Method to our research.

Like those of old who gazed upon the Medusa and were turned to
stone, so we of this Scientific New Age are afflicted with
paralysis when we behold the Big Black Eyes of the Space Alien
Scientists.  Let us then use this very Science against them.  Let
there be experiments!

1) Let (s)he who is about to be MindScanned simply close their eyes
   or otherwise divert their gaze.  Does this stop the process
   consistently?

2) Let (s)he who is about to be MindScanned try to break free of
   the paralysis by:
   a) a sheer act of will; first moving the little finger... etc.
   b) resisting the parasites on every level
   c) calling out to their God for help
   Are any of these methods consistently effective?

Yea, let there be Scientific Experiments, my Brethren!  And then
let us share what we have learned, so that all may benefit
thereby!

Amen and Amen;

-Brother Blue, B:.B:.
 Metaphysickal Scientist








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              Dr John Mack and the Investigation of Abductions

From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:46:04 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:08:18 -0500
Subject: Dr John Mack and the Investigation of Abductions


While researching the parallels between Out of Body Experiences,
OBEs, and Alien Abduction Experiences, AAEs, I came across an
interesting document written by legendary Out-of-Body
Experiencer, Bob Peterson, whose book, _Out-of-Body Experiences:
How to Have Them and What to Expect_, long available on-line, has
now been published by Hampton Roads Publishing.

The document is in three parts. The URL to the first part is:
http://www.winternet.com/~rsp/ufoobe1.html.
Each part links to the next.

Peterson's plan is simple. He will undertake a systematic
comparison between the OBE and the AAE. He uses a book by
researchers Gabbard and Twemlow, _With the Eyes of the Mind: An
Empirical Analysis of Out-of-Body States_, as his reference for
the common features of the OBE. He uses _Abductions_ by Dr John
Mack as his source of information on the common features of the
AAE.

Gabbard and Twemlow list 19 features that turn up time and again
in OBE reports and provide a figures for the frequency with which
that feature was reported in their sample.


     Number        Common Features of OBEs         %
     1.    Experience was more real than a dream  94
     2.    OBE Body similar to physical body      76
     3.    Same environment as physical body      62
     4.    Felt a sense of energy                 55
     5.    Wanted to return to body               54
     6.    Felt able to pass through objects      50
     7.    Felt vibrations in body                38
     8.    Part of awareness was still in body    37
     9.    Was aware of presence of beings        37
     10.   Heard noises in early stages           37
     11.   Experienced a change in time sense     33
     12.   Saw a brilliant white light            30
     13.   Felt the presence of guides or helpers 26
     14.   Dark tunnel with white light at end    26
     15.   Felt attached to phyical body          21
     16.   Felt able to touch objects             18
     17.   Felt that others were aware of them    14
     18.   Felt a sense of border or limit        14
     19.   Experienced panoramic vision           14


And, for each one of these features, Peterson cites cases where
Dr Mack's clients reported the same phenomenon in _Abductions_.

                          *  *  *

This analysis occupies the first two sections of the document. In
the third section, Peterson does the reverse analysis. He
abstracts a list of 16 features of the AAE from chapter 16 of
_Abductions_, where Dr Mack discusses this subject, and discusses
the extent to which the features of an AAE can be found in OBE
reports.

This is the list:

Number                Common Features of Alien Abductions:
1.  "Shift in consciousness"
2.  "Hum or other odd sound"
3.  "Appearance of a light for which no usual source can be found"
4.  "Sense of a presence or even the sight of one or more alien beings"
5.  "A strong vibratory sensation in the body"
6.  "Abductees are always sure that they are not dreaming or imagining"

7.  "Rather they experience that they have moved into another reality.
     This is a waking reality, but a different one."

8.  "Experiencer is taken by some force, often a beam of light or some
     other energy at the disposal of the alien beings."
9.  "Through walls, doors, or closed windows."

10. "Experiencers may see their home and the earth itself recede before
     them as they are transported into a spacecraft..."

11. "Once inside the craft the abductees see varying numbers of alien
     beings..."
12. "Telepathic communications of various sorts."
    "Various procedures administered under the control of a slightly
13.  taller and older-appearing alien, spoken of by abductees as the
     doctor or leader." (Mack goes on to describe the varieties of the
     procedures that can have medical or surgical-like quality).

14. "In some cases a person is known to have been missing, can recall,
     with ot without hypnosis, an abduction experience"
     In some cases "has returned with bodily lesions for which there
15.  seems to be no other explanation. But in other situations,
     'complete' abduction does not appear to occur."

16. "The individual may have an out-of-body experience while others see
     that he or she has not left the house."


After conducting this part of his analysis, Peterson concludes:

    Interestingly enough, except for the references of spacecraft,
    bodily lesions and medical procedures, the features of alien
    abductions given by Mack also appear in the list of features common
    to OBEs.

Peterson goes on to discuss other similarities between OBEs and AAEs and
the differences between them.

Here is his overall conclusion:

    When we closely examine the symptoms of the typical out-of-body
    experience, and compare those symptoms to those of a typical alien
    abduction, the similarities are astounding. However, based on
    physical evidence, it's not reasonable to conclude that all alien
    abductions are really OBEs in disguise, nor that all OBEs are alien
    abductions in disguise. However, the similarities are strong enough
    to suggest that perhaps a fair number of alien abductions have been
    incorrectly reported as OBEs, and that a fair number of OBEs have
    been incorrectly reported as alien abductions.

<====================================================================

In part 3: How many of the features common to OBEs and AAEs are also
features of Awareness during Sleep Paralysis, ASP.

====================================================================>

Joseph Polanik, <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
Trionic Research Institute
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                           Re: Costa Rica Sighting

From: hersol@navigo.com.ar (Luis Pacheco)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:09:58 -0300 GMT
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:13:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Costa Rica Sighting

>From: troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr]
>Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 13:32:46 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Costa Rica Sighting


updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDa le vaticino' algo a=
 updates@globalserve.net:

>>On December 22 cameramen from two local television channels
>>filmed at least a dozen "flying saucers" in the sky south of the
>>Costa Rican capital.


> Does anyone know if these pictures are on the web yet?
> Good fortune, safe travels
> David Orr

Yes, it's possible to see the Pictures of the sighting and a
report (in spanish) in the Web Site of the Fundacion Argentina de
Ovnilogia (Argentinian Ufology Foundation) at:

www.geocities.com/Area51/3184/

Greetings ! and a good 1998 ....




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                              HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

From: UFO Joe Daniels <ufojoe@cron-2.mco.on.ca>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:50:46 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:21:45 -0500
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

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                       Re: Donaldson Predicts Contact

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 21:01:53 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:25:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Donaldson Predicts Contact

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:20:57 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Donaldson Predicts Contact

> >Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 09:08:41 -0800
> >From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Donaldson Predicts Contact

> >Ted Viens wrote:

> >> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:13:11 -0800
> >> From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
> >> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >> Subject: Sam Donaldson on Nightline Predicts VLA Radio Astronomy
> >>          Detects Aliens in '98

> >> Its the damndest thing...  Here I am reading Nexxus and UFO
> >> UpDates stuff from their mail lists when my attention is dragged
> >> back to the wrap-up of the Nightline light entertainment show on
> >> New Years Predictions.  Sam Donaldson is making the closing
> >> remark when his words start to break into my awareness.  He is
> >> saying something to the effect that "it may be the damndest thing
> >> but I expect the big array in New Mexico will detect aliens this
> >> year and I don't mean from across the border but signals from
> >> outer space."

> ><snip>

> >Amazing, wasn't it?  I didn't see a single hint of the TIC
> >Syndrome (tongue-in-cheek) which normally accompanies statements
> >on the subject by news anchors.  And, although the VLA isn't
> >often used in the SETI program, there is always the chance of
> >serendipity, n'est-ce pas. <G>

> The Very Large Array (VLA) was designed as a radio telescope, and
> was not part of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
> (SETI) program. However, I believe that the VLA was sometimes
> used in conjuction with several other radio telescopes in the
> northern part of the western hemisphere to examine objects in the
> sky, and some of those other radio telescopes were also used by
> SETI.  As with most major telescopes, the demand for time exceeds
> the time available.  Since Donaldson is a New Mexico landowner,
> he is familiar with the VLA.  Why he would believe that the VLA
> is going to being the extensive search for ET, I'm not sure.

> But I would add that both ABC and CBS has done relatively good
> documentaries on sightings and the UFO controversy, so not all of
> their reports are "tongue-in-cheek".

> Steve

Let us not forget that the VLA is featured in the movie CONTACT.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:44:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:33:55 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Fwd: UPN to Present Chilling Video Record of a Family's...


>> 0bduction  That's their mistake, not mine!--Rebecca

>From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
>Return-path: <AOLNews@aol.com>
>Subject: UPN to Present Chilling Video Record of a Family's...
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:33:44 EST

>UPN to Present Chilling Video Record of a Family's Fateful
>Encounter With Extraterrestrials When ``Alien 0bduction: Incident
>in Lake County'' Airs Tuesday, Jan. 20, 9-10 p.m. ET/PT

>LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Dec. 31, 1997--

<snip>

>During the special, several people who claim to have had similar
>experiences relate their ordeals, and experts on aliens discuss
>the authenticity of the videotape.

>    --30--DB/la TJM/la

>CONTACT:

>UPN Media Relations, Los Angeles

>Michael Di Pasquale, 310/575-7081


Hi Errol, hi All,

The following is an excerpt from a private note that I sent to my
partner Pat Parrinello. It relates to the above. We're never
going to get the 'serious' investigation that we need as long as
there are those who are willing to tout themselves as, "experts
on aliens". To me "experts on aliens" dredges up images of Dr
Joyce Brothers humping a wetback. Otherwise the term has no
meaning.

The note is self-explanatory.

John Velez

---------------------------

Excerpt from my note to Pat:


I've been invited to do some TV thing out in LA, it sounds like
bullshit (they want me to review a tape of an alleged abduction!)
I told the producer that I would help by providing what abduction
related info I could but that I wasn't too interested in flying
to LA to appear as some, "expert" (which I'm not) and pass
judgement on a videotape that I know nothing about. I'm sure the
'camera whores' will jump at the opportunity but I'm not
interested. Let Doc Leir and Derrel give their "expert opinions"
on the videotape. We all know what experts on video analysis they
both are. <HEE-HAW>

I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
sensationalism.

The people who -are- going to appear as "experts" should preface
their remarks by telling the public that there -are no "experts"
when it comes to abduction- and that -none of them- are video
analysis experts. I come closer to that than any of them and I'm
passing on it!

If they want to express their opinions, cool. But, if they are
going to sit there and spout off like they know what they're
talking about, (which is what they will all do) then I want no
part of it.

That kind of BS is pure "show biz" and has nothing to do with
getting to the truth.

It's tough waiting and holding out for serious offers from
serious people. There are so very few of them. It's a shame, this
is terribly urgent business, can't wait for them to wake up and
smell the coffee.

TTYL,

John










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               Possibly 'Moon Rush' If Lunar Probe Finds Water

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:13:34 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 12:45:23 -0500
Subject: Possibly 'Moon Rush' If Lunar Probe Finds Water

Found at the site of The Nando Times. URL:

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/010198/health6_3285_noframes.html


*******



'Moon rush' could be at hand if lunar probe finds water


Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
Copyright =A91998 Scripps-McClatchy Western


ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (January 1, 1998 01:42 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net)
- New Mexico scientists plan to do some "water witching" on the moon
next month if NASA's Lunar Prospector is launched on time and
trouble-free Monday. And if the scientists strike it water rich, Los
Alamos National Laboratory space scientist Bill Feldman predicts a
"moon rush" to colonize and exploit the lunar surface during the next
century.

"If we can find sufficient water, it's going to be a land rush like the
Oklahoma Sooners," said Feldman, project leader for the Los Alamos
instrument package that will be aboard Lunar Prospector, which is
scheduled to go into lunar orbit about five days after launch and map
the moon over the course of the next year.

Not only would water be necessary to sustain the life of lunar
colonies, but it could also be used to produce hydrogen for rocket fuel.

"We see the moon as kind of a way-station to the rest of the solar
system," Feldman said early today in a telephone interview from his Los
Alamos home.

The Los Alamos team is working with the mission's principal scientist,
Alan Binder, an independent California researcher, and scientists at
the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas.

The "divining rods" to find water won't look anything like the Y-shaped
twigs that Old West dowsers claimed could find water underground.

Instead, a high-tech neutron spectrometer, developed at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory and capable of scanning for water on the lunar
surface from 60 miles overhead, will be used.

The neutron spectrometer will try to detect medium-energy neutrons
emitted from the lunar soil, which will indicate the presence of water.
The neutrons would be generated from the bombardment of water molecules
by high-energy cosmic particles constantly striking the moon.

Los Alamos Lab also has gamma-ray and alpha spectrometers aboard the
spacecraft that can detect valuable elements such as aluminum, iron,
uranium and titanium, and gases that might be present in the lunar
crust.

Such elements would be valuable to future human prospectors because it
will be cheaper and more efficient to use local resources to colonize
the moon and explore the solar system than to transport them from
Earth. Some also could be important as shortages develop on Earth.

"Everything looks go for Monday," Feldman said, noting that liftoff is
scheduled for 6:30 p.m. and that the launch window is only two days.

"This has got to work," he added. But he said he remains "very, very,
very nervous" about the $63 million mission, which is one of NASA's
"faster, better, cheaper" scientific Discovery Series.

It is using a new rocket design and a new launch pad at Cape Canaveral.
But the scientists have another reason to be leery.

Feldman and other Los Alamos scientists are still smarting from the
loss of NASA's Mars Observer spacecraft, aboard which they had similar
prospecting instruments. That spacecraft functioned perfectly en route
to Mars several years ago but was lost just as controllers prepared it
to enter Martian orbit.

"It was just devastating," said Feldman, who said he "was in a blue
funk for months."

"You know, you mother, you parent these things for years and do
everything you can to make them succeed," he said.



By LAWRENCE SPOHN, The Albuquerque Tribune


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                               ACC goes Public

From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 12:42:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:53:36 -0500
Subject: ACC goes Public

Well, here's a bunch of interesting developments, right on New
Years Day:

NOT ONE but TWO quick posts by American on their website, one
detailing a legal notice  to "Corporate Terrorists", at:

http://accpc.com/terror.htm

The other, announcing NO SALE regarding the Transcap, at:

http://accpc.com/white.htm

And, I noticed some interesting <g> ACC news on

http://www.sightings.com

Jeff Rense's "Sightings on the Radio" web page !!

The saga continues.  So that no one can make claims to the
contrary, while Sightings email is on one of the Lists I
sometimes post to, I did NOT send anything to Sightings asking
them to publish it.  That they did is as much news to me as it is
to you.  And that goes for other websites out their reproducing
my letters: I haven't found all of them yet, but it is as big a
surprise to me as to you.

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From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 10:24:01 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:38:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr John Mack and the Investigation of

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:46:04 -0500
> To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":;
> From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Dr John Mack and the Investigation of Abductions, 2/n

<snip>

> Gabbard and Twemlow list 19 features that turn up time and again
> in OBE reports and provide a figures for the frequency with which
> that feature was reported in their sample.

While I appreciate the effort to examine a comparison of OBEs and
abductions, using some standardization of effects/experiences,
this is absurd!  The problem, in short, is that the
standardization is vague, ill-defined, and not much of a
standard. (This is poor thinking masquarading as science.)


>      Number        Common Features of OBEs         %
>      1.    Experience was more real than a dream  94
>      2.    OBE Body similar to physical body      76

Or in the case of abductions, the REAL body is similar to the
REAL body -- now there's a newsflash.

>      3.    Same environment as physical body      62

Maybe it IS the same environment as the physical body!

>      4.    Felt a sense of energy                 55

Is the extra energy generated internally or externally?  Big
difference, and very hard to define.

>      5.    Wanted to return to body               54

LOL! This is funny!

>      6.    Felt able to pass through objects      50

Yeah, but in the OBE experience you don't need to be in the
presence of aliens (or any of their tech) to do so.

>      7.    Felt vibrations in body                38

See comments about energy above.

>      8.    Part of awareness was still in body    37

LOL!  Hopefully, ALL of your awareness is still in your body.

>      9.    Was aware of presence of beings        37

And sometimes a presence is just/really a presence <g>.

>      10.   Heard noises in early stages           37

There's a big difference between the roaring/popping sounds
associated with OBEs and the electronic beeps/hums, etc.,
experienced in the presence of spacecraft!  But you would need to
have experienced both in order to make the comparison.

>      11.   Experienced a change in time sense     33
>      12.   Saw a brilliant white light            30

I've never seen a white light during an OBE, but it's hard to
imagine such a light turning the entire exterior of the house
into daylight and having this witnessed by others (not asleep)
besides the experiencer.

>      13.   Felt the presence of guides or helpers 26
>      14.   Dark tunnel with white light at end    26

Are we talking OBEs or NDEs here?

>      15.   Felt attached to phyical body          21

I would hope so.

>      16.   Felt able to touch objects             18

Ditto.

>      17.   Felt that others were aware of them    14

When others are present, this is to be expected.

>      18.   Felt a sense of border or limit        14

What does this mean?

>      19.   Experienced panoramic vision           14

Obviously some of the "other wordly" or "altered" experiences
common to the OBE experience DO fit the abduction scenario and
perhaps for good reason.  There is something very
interdimensional, as we all know.  But we will hardly expand our
understanding of EITHER phenomenon by simply drawing false
comparisons and in the process neatly sweep both under the "well,
it's just a dream" or "it's not REALLY real" rug.

> Here is his overall conclusion:

>When we closely examine the symptoms of the typical out-of-body
>experience, and compare those symptoms to those of a typical alien
>abduction, the similarities are astounding. However, based on
>physical evidence, it's not reasonable to conclude that all alien
>abductions are really OBEs in disguise, nor that all OBEs are alien
>abductions in disguise. However, the similarities are strong enough
>to suggest that perhaps a fair number of alien abductions have been
>incorrectly reported as OBEs, and that a fair number of OBEs have
>been incorrectly reported as alien abductions.

Thanks for the real life demonstration of the limits of logic.
Wrong assumptions generate more wrong assumptions -- garbage in,
garbage out.

This study makes the same mistake as those that try to corrolate
abduction phenomena with EM phenomena (Persinger's work, for
example).  You can't corrolate vague general statements about
lights, energy or the presence of beings.  Not MEANINGFUL
corrolations, at any rate. The only way to make these comparisons
in a valid way is to ask an experiencer of both phenomena to make
the evaluation.  If you want to know the difference between the
flavor of chicken and beef, you need to ask someone who has
tasted both.  Any abductee can tell you that OBEs and abductions
are quite different experiences, although they do have some
traits in common.

<====================================================================

> In part 3: How many of the features common to OBEs and AAEs are also
> features of Awareness during Sleep Paralysis, ASP.

And if this part of the study is conducted with the same faulty
logic as the above, we can expect similar results.

Garbage in, garbage out.

--

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:33:37 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 15:15:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
>had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
>evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
>would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
>out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
>the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
>sensationalism.


Bravo John!!!

We need our own version of "Just Say No" in UFOlogy.

BTW, I have to wonder if this isn't just that video from a
few years ago repackaged and redated?  Sounds awfully
similar.

Personally, I don't think a video camera would work
during an abduction.  EMF and all that.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:29:09 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:33:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
> had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
> evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
> would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
> out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
> the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
> sensationalism.

> The people who -are- going to appear as "experts" should preface
> their remarks by telling the public that there -are no "experts"
> when it comes to abduction- and that -none of them- are video
> analysis experts. I come closer to that than any of them and I'm
> passing on it!

> If they want to express their opinions, cool. But, if they are
> going to sit there and spout off like they know what they're
> talking about, (which is what they will all do) then I want no
> part of it.

> That kind of BS is pure "show biz" and has nothing to do with
> getting to the truth.

> It's tough waiting and holding out for serious offers from
> serious people. There are so very few of them. It's a shame, this
> is terribly urgent business, can't wait for them to wake up and
> smell the coffee.

> TTYL,

> John

Congratulations!! Well done!!!

Maybe if more people start to refuse to appear on these shows (with
explanation) the producers may start to ask themselves if they have
missed something important for once.

A great way to fight back!

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                ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:45:34 -0500
Subject: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

Everyone who wrote me today to ask me my opinion of NEXXUS and
RISKERS, here is what I found out on a little casual inspection
of their material and with a little friendly help from Lone Bob
Wolf and security at ACC (they were working today, by the
way...):

Boy are those guys (NEXXUS/RISKERS) stupid.  For everyone: NEXXUS
is an alleged organization on whose page you notice several
interesting and bizarre things:

HERE IS THEIR AFFIDAVIT ABOUT THE AGE OF THEIR ORGANIZATION: IT'S
ONE WEEK OLD!

NOTE THAT THEY CLAIM BRUCE MACABEE, JEFF RENSE and STANTON
FRIEDMAN ARE THEIR "DIRECTORS", ALONG WITH "DOZENS OF PHYSICISTS
AND SCIENTISTS", ACCORDING TO THEIR ALLEGED LEADER.  ANYONE
WONDER WHY A GROUP THAT WOULD LIE RIGHT FROM THE VERY START,
EXPECTS TO BE BELIEVED?

RENSE, ACC/Shulman and FREIDMAN have denied being directors,
according to Bob, RENSE was never even contacted by "NEXXUS".

Here's the piece of the bogus "NEXXUS" page I wanted you to see:

===== FROM "NEXXUS.ORG" ======
After only a week of getting this project going,    we found
ourselves under attack by the American Computer Company.  To this
day we have no idea as to why.  Click the image to the left to
find out the whole story in which this business tried to
assassinate Lan Lamphere's character via the world wide web
without cause.  Here are our final comments on this event.  As of
now, it is a dead issue.
==============================

I note that NEXXUS contacted Stanton Friedman, then claimed that
he was a director at NEXXUS, contacted Bruce Macabee,
ACC/Shulman, and tried to get the private home phone of Jeff
Rense to contact him.  That is what "NEXXUS" did!

Here is how NEXXUS's SCAM goes: Call Macabee, tell him Friedman
and hundreds of others are directors of NEXXUS.  Then Call
Friedman, say the same thing.  Then call ACC and tell them
Friedman and Macabee "are directors".  This is obviously a
"BUILDUP" Scam, and the guy who calls himself "Lan Lamphere" and
resides, according to the Internic, on Salisbury St, in Norman,
OK, isn't real.  He is either a Government Agent working in an
undercover capacity, either CIA or Air Force.  Notice the timing
- shortly after ACC announced the Transcapacitor, all of the
sudden, this guy surfaces and runs around lying from person to
person, that his newly contrived "org" NEXXUS, is directed by all
the famous names he can think of in the UFO community.  Then he
has the gall to admit his organization is less than a week old
(see above, posted three days ago, when ACC confronted him, right
on NEXXUS'S website).  Therefore, "NEXXUS" has only existed in
the mind of the person using the name "Lan Lamphere", since
December 21, 1997 (10 days)!!  Hundreds of scientists and nuclear
physicists, plus famous people like Friedman, Macabee, Shulman,
Rense and others, in under a Week?  What a bunch of shit!!

Robert "Lone Bob" Wolf, told me he had had several run ins with
people who mistook him for the "BJ Wolf" that supposedly works
for "riskers" on certain matters, and supposedly has a loony
toons reputation.  So, he did a little checking out of the
Riskers group: he says his friends in Navy OSI laughingly have
told him that RISKERS is a partly CIA, partly Air Force
Intelligence, funded "Confidential Undercover" Group operating
under control of MI located at "Tinker AFB" in Oklahoma City
("NEXXUS"), and out of the "Air Force Intelligence Special
Education Section" situated at the Air Force Academy in Colorado
Springs, Co. ("Riskers").  It's part of an "Information Warfare"
training program operating there, they say.

Their operating membership (aside from "Jake Cravatz", "Todd
Andrews" and "Myk Zimmerman" - alleged founders) all appear,
according to their own website (riskers.org) to have been born in
1981 or after (making them under the age needed to drive -
accordingly - no drivers licenses for verification of their
identities).  A perfect cover.

AND THIS GUY, Lamphere, is apparently soliciting MONEY to support
his imaginary organization, right on his website, here - read:

=====  From "NEXXUS.ORG" =========
Some files at Nexxus.Org have not been published to the open
public by the authors. Therefore, only donors to the organization
have access to these directories.   If you would like to become a
donor of this organization, please click here.

          <link> Donors Files here</link>
======================================

What an UNBELIEVABLE Scam!   About as credible as Dan Wollman's
(see my past archive posts on the phony "In Search Of" listserv,
and Dan Wollman, masquerading as a PhD, when he, according to his
college, NEVER GOT ONE!) partner, known as "The Tucson Kid"
having posted a bunch of disinformation on the SISTER WEBSITE to
"NEXXUS" - "RISKERS.ORG" - another nutcase site from the
DISINFORMATION LEAGUE.  Tucson Kid is notorious for constructing
these fantastic, bogus allegations about "The Omega society"
which he claims Ronald Reagan and George Bush are the heads of.
He is a reportedly a low level nut in the depths of the
Democratic Party food chain, spreading false information &
exercising  character assassination on anything Republican in
nature.  He's probably even been co-opted by a foreign
intelligence organization, if you read his bullshit correctly.

According to a Riskers spokesperson, he is behind their "Omega"
story, and worse, the Tucson Kid is also the MODERATOR of Dan
Wollman's bogus bullshit "In Search Of" list server.  Riskers
claims they believe almost entirely in his bullshit "Omega"
story.  The story is intended to HIDE the existence of the E2
Organization discovered by Lone Bob Wolf and his investigators!

Hasn't anyone bothered to wonder why former presidents of the US
would leave office to form a group to "run the world",
particularly one with Alzheimer's, and the other who has
indicated he'd like to get as far away from the Presidency as he
can?  And, that's what the Tuscon Kid says is behind our "tax
money" being wasted?  What a bunch of Shit!  Our tax paying money
is being wasted on the likes of CREATING websites like RISKERS,
NEXXUS and related List Servers (read on)!!

So: QED - obviously RISKERS, NUFOIA, NEXXUS and
WOLLMAN-InSearchOf, are all part of one and the same little
"grand conspiracy", and read on - you'll be surprised where I
think it stems from!!

========  From "NEXXUS.ORG" ===============
  What is Nexxus.Org?  Click Here
Nexxus.Org is a sister site to RISKERS-NUFOIA
==========================================

and

======== From "RISKERS.ORG" =============== Nexxus.org: Check out
nexxus.org.
This is THE scientific investigative organization on the web.
It Rules, trust us!
==========================================

Funny how these two Web Sites, appear really to be one and the
same.

I am of the opinion that the Air Force is behind them, and is
using them as a front to manipulate public opinion.  The CIA is
probably involved, probably because it is using the information
generated by the operating personnel behind these two, er, one
bogus organizations, for its own purposes.

I note that they love to bash ex-presidents, but the nearest
thing they have come to a current administration official, is to
suggest that Hillary Clinton knows that "Omega" exists.  What
poppy cock!!  Mrs. Clinton thinks "It Takes a Village"!

My opinionated ultimate conclusion about Riskers and NEXXUS?

Hey, People: you're being fooled by an INTELLIGENCE TRAINING
ACADEMY "living classroom" created LIVE for you on the
INTERNET!!!!  Very Illegal, but Lone Bob Wolf tells me the Air
Force Office of Consular Operations (the legal oversight group
responsible) doesn't agree "Not a Black Project, Just a Grey
Project!"

Or, perhaps, an "Anti-Grey Project", Mr. Defense Secretary Cohen?
 Did you sign the budget that's paying for this little
"Project"?

The Air Force Intelligence Personnel maintaining the sites should
be arrested, and prosecuted right along side their superiors, all
the way to the "top guy" operating such an ABOMINATION!!

Oh, by the way, ACC security told me they voice stress printed
the person calling using the name "Lan Lamphere" last week and
the week before, and the voice prints aren't even of the same
person, though the originating phone number is from a desk in a
residence in Norman, Oklahoma, but that the number appears to be
a "repeater" which relays elsewhere in Oklahoma!!

To Tinker Air Force Base, do you think?

How Perfect !  I just may not PAY my taxes this year!!!

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clarke]
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:49:12 PST
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 18:13:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:33:37 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

<snipped>

> BTW, I have to wonder if this isn't just that video from a
> few years ago repackaged and redated?  Sounds awfully
> similar.

> Personally, I don't think a video camera would work
> during an abduction.  EMF and all that.

> Bob


Bob and everybody,

I'm glad somebody else remembers the bogus abduction-in-progress
film circulating two or three years ago.  I'll bet this is the
same one, recycled for the rubes by cynics who don't care a rat's
ass whether it's fake or not.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:20:08 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:15:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:29:09 -0800
> From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> > I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
> > had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
> > evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
> > would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
> > out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
> > the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
> > sensationalism.

> > The people who -are- going to appear as "experts" should preface
> > their remarks by telling the public that there -are no "experts"
> > when it comes to abduction- and that -none of them- are video
> > analysis experts. I come closer to that than any of them and I'm
> > passing on it!

> > If they want to express their opinions, cool. But, if they are
> > going to sit there and spout off like they know what they're
> > talking about, (which is what they will all do) then I want no
> > part of it.

> > That kind of BS is pure "show biz" and has nothing to do with
> > getting to the truth.

> > It's tough waiting and holding out for serious offers from
> > serious people. There are so very few of them. It's a shame, this
> > is terribly urgent business, can't wait for them to wake up and
> > smell the coffee.

> > TTYL,

> > John

> Congratulations!! Well done!!!

> Maybe if more people start to refuse to appear on these shows (with
> explanation) the producers may start to ask themselves if they have
> missed something important for once.

> A great way to fight back!

> John


List:

It has been my experience that if the good guys don't go on the
bad guys will. The producers care about meeting deadlines and
making money. Truth is not their thing. Lord knows ufology has
plenty of bad guys...

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                                  ACC/NEXUS

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:27:41 -0500
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From: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg03652.shtml

From: ufotruth@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:58:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: IUFO: ACC/NEXXUS WE NEED TO
END THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL


->  SearchNet's   IUFO   Mailing List

TO NEXXUS/ACC/RISKERS/NUFOIA,

This debate has turned into a monster that has taken over the
internet. What we need is for ACC and NEXXUX to go on "Sightings
on the Radio" and have BOTH sides present ALL of their evidence
and data. Until this happens the whole UFO/ET community will be
FIGHTING and FIGHTING about this when there are MUCH MORE
IMPORTANT things going on!

There are some very interesting things going on that we are not
even talking about.

1) Steven Greer/CSETI is trying to get OPEN CONGRESSIONAL
HEARINGS. They have mailed SEVERAL CONGRESSMEN and need our
support to get CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS.

2) Steve Basset, Richard C. Hoagland, and Steven Greer are going
to be on the Art Bell show monday night. Art Bell has announced
that the announcment is going to be so important that he cannot
tell us or the show would be off the air. Also STEVE BASSET made
a post to UFO Updates in which he said that we all need to be
working together because there are some very important events
going on that could expose the UFO coverup within 3 months!

3) Apprently UPI has a videotape that shows a WHOLE FAMILY that
was abducted and has been missing for months. This could be GREAT
EVIDENCE to prove that UFOs/ETs are real. This show is going to
come on Jan. 20

4) Nasa has AGREED to get pictures of the CYDONIA region EVERY
CHANCE IT GETS. We need to focus on this and make sure that we do
not miss something very important.

5) This is distracting us from the REAL RESEARCH That ACC is
doing.

I am just as guilty as everyone else. I have made posts that I
should not have made. But we all need to stop fighting.
Personally I support the American Computer Company BUT that is MY
OPINION. What we need is for both the AMERICAN COMPUTER COMPANY
and NEXXUS/RISKERS/NUFOIA to go on "Sightings on the Radio" and
debate until ONE SIDE either ADMITS they are at fault OR both
sides AGREE to work together.


Unless ACC and NEXXUS does this then this fighting will just
CONTINUE. We will keep on DESTROYING all of the unity in the
UFO/ET communty. We will keep on fighting and calling each other
names. What do we want? Do we want to SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR
ALL or keep on fighting for days, weeks, and maybe months?

Both NEXXUS and ACC could post all the documents, evidence,
transcripts of phone calls, wav files, and other evidence on the
"Sightings on the Radio" webpage.

(If this is alright with Jeff Rense)

If both sides have nothing to fear then both sides should go on
the "Sightings on the Radio" show and DEBATE each other.

Look, I am not trying to be bossy. I apologise if I have offended
anyone but I am SICK AND TIRED of all of this fighting. IT MUST
END. If some how the government has caused this then this MUST
END. And the only thing that can make this end is having both
sides debate.

Mr. Jack Shulman and Mr. Lan Lamphere will both of you PLEASE ask
Jeff Rense if you can go on his show and debate? For the sake of
the ENTIRE UFO COMMUNITY PLEASE DO THIS. If you get on the show
please bring ALL of your evidence so this can be over.

Best Regards,
William






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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 02:46:27 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:48:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:29:09 -0800
>From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>> I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
>> had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
>> evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
>> would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
>> out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
>> the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
>> sensationalism.

John K wrote,

>Maybe if more people start to refuse to appear on these shows (with
>explanation) the producers may start to ask themselves if they have
>missed something important for once.

Geez, I hope so. It's what I'm banking on. I figure if I show em
a little "character" when they dangle their carrots in front of
me one or two may ask, "what's up with this guy?" and go the
extra step to find out.

Budd and others have suggested that I take the opposite action
and participate in these things in order to provide a balance for
the wahoos and camera whores that -always- show up on these
things. I'm not comfortable with that on a lot of levels, the
main one being that I'll have to get down into the mud with them
and accept money, plane tickets, free hotels, free food,
stipends, none of which I have earned or deserve. I cannot do the
same things that I call others to task on. To me that's the
definition of hipocracy.

I hear the voices saying, "dummy, I'd take it in a minute", I
just can't do that.  And, hey man- it wasn't easy saying no! I've
never been to LA and I have friends there, one in particular that
I love dearly and haven't seen in years. If you think I didn't
consider doing it for those purely selfish (and very human)
reasons you'd be missing an important piece. Yeah, I entertained
grabbing the goodies and getting my face on TV with Whitley and
pontificating about someone elses case like Joe know-it-all. It's
just not me. It would mean breaking a lifetime of belief in
certain values and rubbing elbows with people I wouldn't
associate with under any other circumstances. I have to remain
true to myself so I can stay comfortable inside my own skin.

Plus, you have no idea how good it feels to be able to look em
all straight in the eye and say no, you're falling way short of
the mark -there is- a higher standard. If we don't start to draw
lines and demand higher standards then we'll always get, -more of
the same.

Trying to do the 'right thing'

John Velez










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              Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:32:03 -1000
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:02:13 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens


> From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500

> Everyone who wrote me today to ask me my opinion of NEXXUS and
> RISKERS, here is what I found out on a little casual inspection
> of their material and with a little friendly help from Lone Bob
> Wolf and security at ACC (they were working today, by the
> way...):

> Boy are those guys (NEXXUS/RISKERS) stupid.  For everyone: NEXXUS
> is an alleged organization on whose page you notice several
> interesting and bizarre things:

> HERE IS THEIR AFFIDAVIT ABOUT THE AGE OF THEIR ORGANIZATION: IT'S
> ONE WEEK OLD!

> NOTE THAT THEY CLAIM BRUCE MACABEE, JEFF RENSE and STANTON
> FRIEDMAN ARE THEIR "DIRECTORS", ALONG WITH "DOZENS OF PHYSICISTS
> AND SCIENTISTS", ACCORDING TO THEIR ALLEGED LEADER.  ANYONE
> WONDER WHY A GROUP THAT WOULD LIE RIGHT FROM THE VERY START,
> EXPECTS TO BE BELIEVED?

> RENSE, ACC/Shulman and FREIDMAN have denied being directors,
> according to Bob, RENSE was never even contacted by "NEXXUS".

<snip>

Well, here is a post from Skywatch.. I assume the 'Lan' they
refer to is Lan Lamphere.

From: "Skywatch International" <SKYWATCH_OK@MSN.COM>
To: "(list #1)" <skywatch_ok@MSN.COM>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:00:48 +0000
Subject: Skywatch hour chat schedule

This Sunday Evening at 8:00 Central, 6:00 Pacific, the Skywatch
Hour will again have Dr. Bruce Macabee, who has kindly
rescheduled after having a family emergency last week. We will
discuss the latest postings from ACC, and his work with Stanton,
and Lan.   On our Jan. 10th. chat we will have Stanton Friedman
on as a guest, more on that later...   our address is:
http://forums.msn.com/UFO The Briefing Room chat can be accessed
by any IRC client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and
the room or channel name is #briefing.

Jim Hickman
Host-Skywatch Hour
Vice-President
Executive Director of Communications
Skywatch International

______

I'm getting sort of confused as to who the bad guys are.

Aloha
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              Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:20:27 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:18:20 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens


>  From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
>  Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500

>  Everyone who wrote me today to ask me my opinion of NEXXUS and
>  RISKERS, here is what I found out on a little casual inspection
>  of their material and with a little friendly help from Lone Bob
>  Wolf and security at ACC (they were working today, by the
>  way...):

Ah the latest communique from Ed "the conduit" Wang with help
from Bob "the conduit when Ed Wang isn't around" Wolf.

Personally I was always under the impression that Ed & Bob were
promoters/defenders of ACC and its various tales. From what I
read on the ACC site they get much of their information on
Roswell via e-mail and nobody has actually seen copies of the
princeton evidence list.

<snip>

>  Rense and others, in under a Week?  What a bunch of shit!!

When discussing bunches of shit and ACC the two appear have alot
in common. Concerning the Princeton meeting where according to
ACC, which claim was parroted by Wang, Jared Anderson, and
allegedly some unnamed individual from FUFOR:

Did any of these individuals **actually** go to the meeting, or
are they just "believing" the ACC story based upon their web site
posting or because "Ed Wang or Bob Wolf said...."?

On their web site concerning this meeting they present an
impressive list of "evidence" that was going to be presented. Has
anybody actually seen it?

ACC has claimed that it was suing the Air Force.  So far all I
have heard is talk and tales.   Does anybody actually have the
case number of the lawsuit and which court it was filed in so
that it could be independently verified?

Everything I have seen is "Well, Ed Wang said, based upon an
e-mail with Schulman... blah blah blah.

Or Schulman said on the blah blah radio show.  Remember the poor
amateur astronomer who claimed to have a photo of the companion
object following Hale Bopp blah blah.

He didn't check it out or verify it with anybody else, turned out
untrue, but it didn't stop him from blathering it all over the
radio.

As for Shulman et al lets see where they claim to have gotten
information from.  Just look at some quotes from the ACC web
site:


"This is a story which, if true, could ultimately change.."

"It's the Public's right to decide if it is, in whole or in part,
or if the party who related it to us, was portraying a fiction."=A0


"So, according to the story leaked by a reliable source to
UFO-logy circles:"

"UPDATE NOTE: It has been suggested that, after he left office,
the US.."

"It has allegedly been reported that it took a year or more for
Bell Labs to then figure out how to commercially produce the
miracle devices."

"We haven't read the book, but we have been told it pretty much
appears to coincide with the above ACC story, which was related
to us by a Defense Communications Consultant who had access to
the people at Bell Labs who he said were involved with the
alleged "alien artifacts".

"Since the time that Col. Corso was identified to American, new
information, unconfirmed, has surfaced and been presented to us.
Two people who wrote to us, claimed their fathers worked for Bell
Labs, have identified to us, by unconfirmable email reports, ..."


So the bottom line is its rumors/gossip and otherwise being
posted on the ACC web site.  THEY DON'T EVEN CLAIM IT TO BE
FACTUAL.

Concerning ACC's claim about how they are not in the public
market place, when you go elsewhere on the ACC web site you see:


ACC's "WINTER OF '97"=AE PC SALE! Prices start at: $299!! K6 /
Pent-IIs: $599 ACC's NET-SERVERS FOR  THE WAY WE WORK=AE! starting
at: $1499 SPECIAL  LOW-PRICE PC: ACC's EAGLE BEATS DELL, IBM...!!
THE RIGHT STUFF: ACC's NEW LAPTOP is HALF the  COST of IBMs
770...!!

My prediction has been that 6 months from now we will still be
hearing pronouncements for Schulman, et al but nobody  will
present copies of any kind of evidence.
However I could be wrong.

SO ED/Bob/Schulman  why don't you provide us with the lawsuit
case number of ACC vs USAF, and the location of the court in
which alleged suit was filed for starters?

Cheers,
Robert









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             Re: ACC Responds To Reports Of SAIC Purchasing Bell

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:15:12 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:22:37 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC Responds To Reports Of SAIC Purchasing Bell


>From: entropy@brighid.sunflower.com [Tom Genereaux]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:32:10 +0000
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: ACC Responds To Reports Of SAIC Purchasing Bell


> ACC Responds To Reports Of
> SAIC Purchasing Bell Labs

<massive snip>

>The so-called Trans-Cap is actually a failed attempt to create a
>solid-state pentode, dating from the early 1950's.  I'm modeling
>the structure in SPICE, and will have some commentary on how well
>it works in a few weeks. So far it doesn't.

Hey, Tom.   What was the point about the solid state pentode?
They had surface barrier transistors back then, but were they
working on early field effect transistors?   And, if so, what's
the purpose of the fifth element in a transistor? what do you
think of Shulman's claim that the device as many as 10^23 quantum
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:07:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:27:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clarke]
>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:49:12 PST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 14:33:37 -0500
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>> >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

><snipped>

>> BTW, I have to wonder if this isn't just that video from a
>> few years ago repackaged and redated?  Sounds awfully
>> similar.

>> Personally, I don't think a video camera would work
>> during an abduction.  EMF and all that.

>> Bob


>Bob and everybody,

>I'm glad somebody else remembers the bogus abduction-in-progress
>film circulating two or three years ago.  I'll bet this is the
>same one, recycled for the rubes by cynics who don't care a rat's
>ass whether it's fake or not.

>Jerry Clark

Hi Bob, Jerry, All,

Bob wrote,

>> Personally, I don't think a video camera would work
>> during an abduction.  EMF and all that.

Ya know, I had the exact same thought when they firstb told me about this "video
tape." That, and the fact that I can't see the "aliens" missing an extremely exc
ited mind in close proximity that is filming them no less!
(Just my opinion and pure speculation) but it is my belief that these beings are
 telepathic. During the encounters that I remember consciously I "hear them" in
my head. How could they miss a freaked out 16 year old with a videocam taping hi
s family being abducted! Why did he just film it?
If it was me I would have been on them like ugly on ape if they were screwing wi
th my family. The whole damn thing makes no sense.

Jerry writes,

>I'm glad somebody else remembers the bogus abduction-in-progress
>film circulating two or three years ago.  I'll bet this is the
>same one, recycled for the rubes by cynics who don't care a rat's
>ass whether it's fake or not.

This isn't that Jerry. This videotape was (allgedly) taken just
this past Thanksgiving in Canada by a 16 year old kid while his
family is being abducted! On top of which, these people are still
missing according to what the producer told me. Where are the
mounties or whoever handles this kind of thing in Canada? Too
many unanswered questions and too little is known to form any
judgements. I'll watch it along with the rest of you and we can
all discuss it afterwards.

I asked, and was informed by the producer that the program is
being presented as "entertainment" not news. You're a bright
camper, take it from there. <VBG>

The "Experts on aliens" that they invited include:

Whitley Strieber (Author, abductee)
Doc Leir (The surgeon who removed implants from abductees in 1995)
Derrel Sims (The "Nemesis of Mondoz")
and Yvonne Smith (California based abduction researcher)
Me (No-show!)

That list alone speaks volumes don't it? <EG>

Peace,

John Velez








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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:07:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:29:01 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

>From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500


Good work Ed!

Now for my only question about all this.  Do you know if this
"Lan Lamphere" is the same person who had the Storm Chasers
website and claimed several months ago to have accidentally
taken video of a UFO as it shot through a tornado?  I thought
that person was "Len Lamphere", but my memory may be wrong on
that.

If not the same man, then pretty darned odd to have such similar
names!

But maybe they are trying to discredit both ACC and Storm
Chasers at the same time.

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:12:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:29:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clarke]
>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:49:12 PST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction
>Bob and everybody,

>I'm glad somebody else remembers the bogus abduction-in-progress
>film circulating two or three years ago.  I'll bet this is the
>same one, recycled for the rubes by cynics who don't care a rat's
>ass whether it's fake or not.

>Jerry Clark

My thoughts exactly when I first heard about it.

That other video was a kick to watch, but I was always amazed
that anyone took it seriously.  Pretty good work for a grade
C sci-fi film, though.

I'm still waiting, BTW, for my copy of the "Alien Interview"
video that the producer promised to mail me months ago!!!

Maybe I should set something up with a Vegas bookie on odds that
I ever get videos promised to me!!!!

Bob









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                          Lan Lamphere, what gives?

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:37:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:44:46 -0500
Subject: Lan Lamphere, what gives?

All,

I'm sure Glenn Campbell won't mind if I repost something here
from his site.  I went web surfing lookin for info on Lan
Lamphere, and found this posted:



To: webmaster@ufomind.com
From: Jilain <jilain@rt66.com
Subject: TOTAL OUTRAGE!!!

I got the following email from a friend.  I am posting this here
with his permission.  If you will recall the incident a while
back where some stormchasers caught a UFO on video.  This is that
gentleman.  You ain't gonna believe this one!!

This is the most blantant example of prejudice, injustice,
discrimination, and outright BULLCRAP I have ever seen!  This is
a prime example of exactly why so many do not come forward with
information on the ufo/alien phenomenon.  Try to do a little
good, and this is the result?

Well, this ain't right, folks.  This is not right at all.  And I
think every one of us who professes a genuine interest in the
area of ufology, in any of many aspects, should be completely
outraged and totally disgusted by the action of this company.

My main question on this is to any attorneys that this may reach.
Is this sort of action allowed?  Is there grounds for legal
action against this company?  They fire a man for what he does ON
HIS OWN TIME and with his OWN MONEY.  If this is allowed under
the law, there is something seriously wrong with this country.

Read it and weep, folks.  I did.  The organization founded here
was just getting started, and I had just began my association
with it.  But I could see the potential here to do great things,
to do some very serious investigations, and I even had a feeling
of optimism that we might actually get somewhere with this.

This is so very wrong, that this can be done to this man and his
family.

I am totally outraged over this, and you all should be as well.

Jilain

-----

At 11:57 PM 12/16/97 -0600, you wrote:

As most of you know, I have worked very hard to please and help
all of you with your computer viewing in the past.  I have tried
to make your stays at the Windchaser domain a pleasant and
informative one.  It is my sad duty to inform all of you that [my
wife] and I will not be maintaining the Windchaser Site any
longer.  As of 11:31 pm cst Dec 16,1997 I was relieved of all
duties at Windchaser Environmental Films.  In short, I was
canned.  I was released because of the Nexxus Organization.
Because I spent my money on what I considered to be a worth while
cause, and devoted some of my time to this cause, it was viewed
as a "problem" for the the owner and producers of Windchaser.
They felt that I was becoming a "UFO freak" and embarrassing the
company.  It was not due to lack of work, or anything like that.
I was just because I actually give a shit about what I was doing
and the company thinks that it is an embarrassment to them.  So,
[my wife] and I have paid the next months bills for the
Nexxus.Org site.  After the 12th of January, unless I can get the
money up to furnish the green backs to the server lines, the site
will disappear.  I am sorry, there is nothing I can do.

[My wife] and I have both cried about about this, and at the
present time, I have no words to give you or my family.  I wish
there was something I could say that would change the
circumstances.  As it is right now, I will not be able to post
any messages at the boards.  Not because I don't have the means,
but because I will not have the time while I try to look up the
money for my kids Christmas this year.  I have spent a lot of
money attempting to get this thing started.

==snip==

Peace, Coolness & Happy Holidays to all of you.

Lan Lamphere

Owner, for a while, of the Nexxus.Org Domain
Stormchaser & Photographer
http://www.nexxus.org

jilain@rt66.com
IRC undernet channel #blackvault




                  ~~~Tell me not, in mournful numbers,
                       Life is but an empty dream!
                     For the soul is dead that slumbers,
                       And things are not what they seem.~~~

-----

I had done a Yahoo search on Lamphere to find out if he was the
same person involved with the NEXXUS group, and found that when I
tried to go to the old Windchaser web site that I had bookmarked
it took me to the NEXXUS site instead, and then the site crashed
every time so I could go no farther in.  I'm not sure what that's
all about.

So anyway, it appears that Lamphere appeared from nowhere on the
UFO scene, but checking some of the other links from his name
appears to show valid credentials as a long time storm chaser.

Maybe he just "wigged out" from the injustice of the events
above.  If he is an infiltrator from intelligence, he sure came
in through a round about route.

OH, BTW, Glenn also has a photo of him on his site, but not very
clear.

Bob









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                                Re: ACC/NEXUS

From: troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:42:09 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:42:19 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC/NEXUS

>From: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg03652.shtml

>From: ufotruth@ix.netcom.com
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:58:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: IUFO: ACC/NEXXUS WE
>NEED TO END THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL


>->  SearchNet's   IUFO   Mailing List

>TO NEXXUS/ACC/RISKERS/NUFOIA,

>This debate has turned into a monster that has taken over the
>internet. What we need is for ACC and NEXXUX to go on "Sightings
>on the Radio" and have BOTH sides present ALL of their evidence
>and data. Until this happens the whole UFO/ET community will be
>FIGHTING and FIGHTING about this when there are MUCH MORE
>IMPORTANT things going on!

A great idea. The whole deal has become tiresome. Insults and
accusations are only amusing for a short time.

>There are some very interesting things going on that we are not
>even talking about.

>1) Steven Greer/CSETI is trying to get OPEN CONGRESSIONAL
>HEARINGS. They have mailed SEVERAL CONGRESSMEN and need our
>support to get CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS.

Absolutely!

>2) Steve Basset, Richard C. Hoagland, and Steven Greer are going
>to be on the Art Bell show monday night. Art Bell has announced
>that the announcment is going to be so important that he cannot
>tell us or the show would be off the air. Also STEVE BASSET made
>a post to UFO Updates in which he said that we all need to be
>working together because there are some very important events
>going on that could expose the UFO coverup within 3 months!

Now THIS is interesting. Hoagland usually doesn't get too
involved in UFO issues. My tape recorder shall be ready.

>4) Nasa has AGREED to get pictures of the CYDONIA region EVERY
>CHANCE IT GETS. We need to focus on this and make sure that we do
>not miss something very important.

This is absolutely fantastic. We need them. We need them released
publicly upon reciept. I'm a young man, and over the last seven
or so months, this has completely captured my imagination. I dare
say it's one of the reasons I am now pursuing an anthropology
degree.

>Mr. Jack Shulman and Mr. Lan Lamphere will both of you PLEASE ask
>Jeff Rense if you can go on his show and debate? For the sake of
>the ENTIRE UFO COMMUNITY PLEASE DO THIS. If you get on the show
>please bring ALL of your evidence so this can be over.

>Best Regards,
>William

Agreed again, William.

Good fortune, safe travels

David Orr

Push the button, Frank.
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              Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: "skyeking@aye.net" <skyeking@aye.net> [Jerry Washington]
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:59:07 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:47:51 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens


> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:07:53 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

> >From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
> >Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500

> Good work Ed!

> Now for my only question about all this.  Do you know if this
> "Lan Lamphere" is the same person who had the Storm Chasers
> website and claimed several months ago to have accidentally
> taken video of a UFO as it shot through a tornado?  I thought
> that person was "Len Lamphere", but my memory may be wrong on
> that.

Yes, he's the same guy. "Lan" is correct, and my sources say that
he's a hustler of the first magnitude.

Jerry Washington
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                                Bill Cooper?

From: Lornis <Lornis@aol.com> [Scott Corrales]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:30:34 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:49:53 -0500
Subject: Bill Cooper?

I am trying to put to rest a rumor I read in Rolling Stone
magazine concerning the possible death of Bill Cooper. I
understand he is to be a featured speaker on an IRC
session, soon.

Many thanks,

Scott Corrales







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                  SETI 'Out of Tune' after all these years?

From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:49:57 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:54:22 -0500
Subject: SETI 'Out of Tune' after all these years?

In Search for Intelligent Life, Did They Get a Wrong Number?

By Robert Cooke. STAFF WRITER

After straining for decades to find hints of intelligent life in
space, astronomers now suspect their big radio receivers have
been tuned in wrong all along.

Recently, research has shown that radio signals from afar suffer
fading and distortion as they pass through the long reaches of
space. But the systems designed to listen for alien radio signals
 - called SETI, or Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence -
were set up under the assumption that any signal coming from
another civilization would be a continued or repeating signal.

This could mean the current SETI programs have already recorded
real messages, without recognizing them, said researchers James
Cordes, Joseph Lazio and the late Carl Sagan, all of Cornell
University. The scientists discussed their conclusions in a
research report published recently in the Astrophysical Journal.

Over the years, SETI programs have recorded a few intriguing
signals that seemed to meet all the criteria except one, the
report said. The missing criterion was repeatability; the signals
were never detected again, despite intensive listening.

Now, Sagan, Lazio and Cordes say that a close look shows the
follow-up observations made on the sources were inadequate -
one-tenth of what was needed in terms of sensitivity. Better work
is needed to distinguish between accidents, including signals
from satellites or radio transmissions from Earth-bound sources,
and genuine messages coming from across the galaxy, they said.

Physicist Paul Horowitz, director of a SETI search called Project
Beta, which uses a big dish-shaped radio telescope in Harvard,
Mass., said these ideas have already been incorporated into the
automated search system. The computer now conducts 120 follow-ups
on each interesting signal that is detected.

And Jill Tartar, at the SETI Institute in California, said her
system has already used more sensitive equipment in Green Bank,
W.Va., to re-observe some of the interesting spots in the sky
detected earlier.

Copyright 1997, Newsday Inc.

In Search for Intelligent Life, Did They Get a Wrong Number?.,
12-31-1997, pp A25.







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               Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plicken

From: Jilain <jilain@rt66.com> [Jilain Jones]
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:18:17 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 14:56:19 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plicken


>>From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
>>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500

>>[EW] Everyone who wrote me today to ask me my opinion of NEXXUS and
>>RISKERS, here is what I found out on a little casual inspection
>>of their material and with a little friendly help from Lone Bob
>>Wolf and security at ACC (they were working today, by the
>>way...):

RESPONSE FROM TODD ANDREWS OF RISKERS/NUFOIA, COLORADO DIRECTOR FOR NEXXUS:

>>Subject: RE: From Ed Wang - critically important info on NEXXUS
>>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:31:16 -0700
>>Organization: RISKERS/NUFOIA

>>Anyone who would like to hear the Art Bell show that featured Lan Lamphere,
>>you can access that RA file at:
>> http://ww2.audionet.com/artbell/abell/9706/ab0625.ram

>>>>You have got to be kidding me!!!  Anyone who wants to believe any of
>>this,
>>>>feel free.  Anyone one else who does not, or is not sure, feel free to
>>>>contact me personally!

>>>>LOL - Todd Andrews
>>>>RISKERS/NUFOIA
>>>>Englewood, CO  (NOT AT THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY)

RESPONSE FROM LAN LAMPHERE, DIRECTOR OF NEXXUS:

>>From: Chaser [SMTP:chaser@telepath.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, January 01, 1998 4:20 PM
>>To:   riskers@riskers.org
>>Subject:      From Ed Wang - critically important info on NEXXUS

>>>Anyone & Everyone.....

>>>What a joke....  ROTFLMAO!!!  Pissin' in my pants!!!!

>>>I never thought I could recieve such a wonderfull complement...  Thanks
>>ladies and gentlemen..  That was great.  If you ... I MEAN YOU!!,  ANYONE
>>who wants to call me and speak with me personally on the phone...  Would
>>like to do so,  Please..  I will make myself available for the next
>>century..   No problem..

>>>This Wang, character needs to write some novels..  Sci~ Fi novels.  That's
>>the best crap-o-la I have seen on the web in a while..   Gehzzz.  Just for
>>your information, I have been on Art Bell's show..  I am a very real
>>person, and I do live in Norman, Oklahoma..   I called the A.C.C.
>>yeasterday...  I was told by the person that I spoke to that, " I had
>>reached the front gate of security",and that they were closed.  Then the
>>gent hung upon me.  I have it on tape to prove it.

>>>Perhaps the A.C.C. should voice print from Art Bell's web site my
>>conversation with him, and see if I am the same person.

>>>The fact that I put something together in five days, not ten, is a feat in
>>it'self, but I already knew most of the people that I asked to join.  i.e.
>>Dr. Maccabee, and Skeet Vaughan.  You got a problem with that?..

>>>My phone does ring through a repeater because we don't use southwestern
>>bell, we use another service provider that runs through Bells, system..  My
>>God!!..  You will come up with anything wont you...?

>>>Todd is one of my dearest friends, even though we have shared a short time
>>knowing one another.  we just have the same ideals,.. what can I say.  He
>>is a good man.

>>>The stuff about "Tinker Air Force base" is a JOKE!!!..  I am still
>>laughing on that one...  My God!!.  You will buy into anything hu????

>>>Anyway, thatnks for the information about the A.C.C. recording my voice
>>without me knowing about it.  I am sure the F.B.I. will like to know the
>>extremes that you are going to in order to slamm me further, or should I
>>say, dig your own grave???

>>>Either way..  Thanks!!

>>>Peace & Coolness
>>>Lan Lamphere

>>>Phone is 1-405-447-4681   Please feel free to call...

jilain@rt66.com
New Mexico Director
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                                 What if...

From: Jilain <jilain@rt66.com> [Jilain Jones]
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:36:09 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:08:42 -0500
Subject: What if...

Late night ponderings......

On or around December 4, 1997, Lan Lamphere gets the idea to try
to pull together scientists/researchers/ufologists/general public
from all over the world to study paranormal activities/events,
including UFOs.  He wants to take a scientific approach....a
"just the facts, ma'am" mentality....to the very confusing
information that surrounds everything that is generally lumped
into the broad heading of "paranormal" activities and events,
including UFOs.  He decides to call this organization for
research and investigation "Nexxus.org", and base it on the
Internet.

On December 16th, he is fired from his job because of his
interest in UFOs specifically, his superiors quoted as saying
they were afraid he would embarass the company if he became known
as a "ufo freak".  I receive a copy of Lan's email, detailing his
firing, and with his permission, post it to numerous email lists,
under the heading "TOTAL OUTRAGE".  Responses pour into
Nexxus.org.

Lan begins to pull together his organization, attracting
scientists and ufologists from around the world.  He also
attracts "everyday people" who express a desire to be a part of
this team that will use logical, scientific investigative methods
to attempt to get some solids answers to the myraid of questions
surrounding UFOs and paranormal activities.  Though there is
interest in studying other paranormal events, the studying of
UFOs quickly takes the lead as the subject the people joining
Nexxus want to work on first.

Lan talks with Jack Schulman of ACC, giving him a general
overview of what Nexxus is all about, and offering to assist ACC
in their analysis of the data/ material they claim to have in
their possession that led up to the development of their
"transcapacitor".  Schulman leads Lan to believe that he will
seriously consider utilizing the facilities, personnel, and
experience of those volunteering their services to Nexxus.  Lan
authorizes the posting of a release to this effect, titled "ACC
Seeking Independent Investigation", in which it is stated that
Nexxus and ACC have had some preliminary talks regarding Nexxus
assisting ACC, in a consulting capacity, in its investigation of
the data/material ACC claims to possess.

Stan Friedman, after talking with Lan, faxes Jack Schulman,
informing Schulman of inaccuracies in the material that company
has put out concerning the Roswell incident.  Schulman faxes Stan
back, admitting to being "torn" over the decision as to whether
or not to correct these known inaccuracies on their posted
Roswell material.

On December 24, ACC makes a posting to its web page, denying
contact with Nexxus or any knowledge of Lan, and making false
statements regarding Lan.  A firestorm is ignited across the
Internet.  The accusations become more and more ridiculous and
more and more invalid with each passing day.  It doesn't go away
when Nexxus does not respond to the charges.  It doesn't go away
when Nexxus does respond to the charges.  Lan offers the olive
branch, stating publicly on the webpage that the ACC/Nexxus
controversy is a dead issue as far as Nexxus is concerned.  ACC
posts to its webpage, accusing Lan of not even existing, and
Nexxus of being a terrorist organization.  Ed Wang, whoever he
is, posts on 1/1/98, a highly inflammatory and libelous summation
of the whole event, even dragging in the names of people who are
not associated with Nexxus or ACC and have had nothing to do with
or commented on the whole Nexxus/ACC feeding frenzy since it
started.  And this posting spreads all over the internet, up to
and including being posted on the "Sightings on the Radio"
webpage.  None of Nexxus's rebuttals are posted to that site,
giving a public forum only to the ACC side of the whole affair.

Why??

ACC has been attacked rather harshly in the past, as has this Ed
Wang person. The credibility of their case has been drawn into
question more than once in the past year.  They have been
subjected to some indepth scrutiny by other individuals and
organizations. But never did ACC react in such a fashion as they
did when it comes to Nexxus.  WHY??

What is it about Lan and Nexxus that set ACC into such a
defensive mode? What is it about Nexxus that got such attention
and such a swift and vehement reaction from ACC?  From Jack
Schulman himself?

Consider this....and remember that these are just late night
thoughts on my part.  Just my mind playing a fanciful game of
"what if...."  Nothing carved in stone here, just theorizing and
thinking and wondering and pondering.......

POINT: For 50 years, UFOs have remained a mystery.  There have
been official denials of their existance, and charges of
government coverup of information on their existance.  There have
been more denials by the government and military, and more
charges of government coverup, with research done to support
those charges.  The government has countered with research on its
on to counter the charges of a coverup and the existance of
UFOs.

POINT:  There are numerous UFO groups around the world.  Each has
its own agenda and method of carrying out its investigations.
Rarely do you see these groups working in harmony, freely sharing
information, resources, personnel, etc.

POINT:  Lan Lamphere is a storm chaser/photographer.  He is not a
ufologist or UFO researcher, and never claimed to be.  He is just
a man who caught something on tape that he cannot explain after
analysis of the data at his disposal.  And he got curious about
it.  He decided to seek help in determining what these UFOs are,
and decided to try to bring together science and ufology to
accomplish that goal.

POINT:  Todd Andrews of the RISKERS/NUFOIA organization has been
involved in the UFO field for several years, running a webpage
and email list that dissimenates information on the subject out
over the Internet.

POINT:  After the hoopla over Nexxus began, the website has been
hacked more than once.

POINT:  After the RISKERS/NUFOIA group joined with Nexxus, the
NSA was found "snooping around" through all the files on the
RISKERS site.

POINT:  The NSA has been discovered going through the Nexxus.org
webpage.

POINT:  Todd Andrews was called twice on the phone by the NSA.
He was not home to take the call, but his caller ID clearly
showed the call originated at the "National Security Agency".
Todd had never been contacted by the NSA prior to his becoming
involved with Nexxus.

POINT:  The fields of hard-core science and the fields of
hard-core ufology and the fields of hard-core paranormal studies
have historically been diametrically opposed to one another.
Though many have said many times that these opposing sides must
come together before solid, irrefutable data can be compiled that
is beyond reproach, no one has ever managed to bring together
these factions.  Science has remained aloof from the subjects for
the most part, and ufologists have remained splintered into
various camps and schools of thought.  The end result being that
after 50 years, these things still remain a mystery in the mind
of the public at large.

Now.....allow me to wax conspiratorial for a moment in my late
night fantasies and ramblings.....

Who stands to gain the most by the continued concealment of the
truth to the origin/existance of UFOs?  Who stands to gain the
most by the continued public uncertainty as to whether these
things actually do exist, and actually are of extraterrestrial
origin?  Who stands to gain the most by the continued
disunity between the realms of science and the realms of
ufology?

In my very humble and tired little mind's opinion, the US
government stands to gain the most.  If there were presented
hard-core, scientifically achieved studies with irrefutable
evidence as to the reality of UFOs and their ET origin, the US
government and military would be exposed as liars.
There could be a question of fraud on the part of the government
in funding of certain R/D projects.  There could be questions
raised as to certain "creative bookkeeping" practices, as well as
questions raised into certain tactics employed by security
branches of the government.  Though no legal action might be
forthcoming out of that, it could topple an administration,
expose some historical figures as the "not quiet such good guys"
as the public was lead to believe, and expose some less than
legal tactics on the part of certain government agencies divested
with the job of protecting the general public.  And most of all,
reaction to undeniable evidence of government supported lies
could spill over to the voting booth.

Just suppose, for the sake of argument, that certain scientists
were taking "too much" of an interest in the study of UFOs.  And
just suppose that certain ufologists were weeding through the
garbage and getting to some hard core facts concerning the
existance of UFOs and the government's long history of deceiving
the public over the issue.  Would it not be in the government's
best interest to distract these scientists and ufologists from
their current course?  Is it not common practice to create a
diversion when someone is getting too close to something?

Seemingly out of the blue, a small, privately owned computer
company makes its presence known in the UFO communities.  How do
they do this?  They makes claims to have in their possession
"proof" of the crash of a UFO in Roswell in 1947.  And they claim
to have "proof" of the existance of alien technology, and the
incorporation of that technology through back engineering.  They
claim to have what everyone has been wanting for 50 years...
undeniable proof.  But they have yet to release that
data/material for independent study by others for authentication
of their claims.  Battle lines quickly draw in the UFO community,
as happens when any major event is perceived.

Now....enter Lan Lamphere.  In a matter of a week or two, this
one man, based on a simple idea, manages to do what no one has
done, and no one in the government has wanted to be done, in 50
years.  He brings together under one roof, and with one common
goal, scientists and ufologists from around the world.  And he
gains supporters for those efforts, people willing to back the
research through voluntary contribution of their time and energy,
and through financial contributions to fund the investigative
efforts of his proposed Nexxus.org.

Lan learns of the claims made by ACC, and extends to them an
offer of assistance in their efforts.  His call is well received
by ACC, and he is lead to believe that his offer will be given
serious consideration.

Within no time, the proverbial poop hits the fan.  Only this
time, it gets really nasty.  Wild speculation abounds and the
flames of fire are fanned to an almost unbearable intensity.
People in UFO communities are at each other's throats, divided
over who is the bad guy...ACC or Nexxus.  An organization that
was just forming is slammed and bashed all over the internet.  A
man who most had never even heard of a month ago is viciously
attacked from all corners of the globe.

In the background of this feeding frenzy, the Nexxus website is
hacked more than once.  The NSA is caught snooping around the
Riskers site.  Todd Andrews actually is called on the phone by
the NSA.  Lan's phone is tapped and his email is monitored.
Todd's voice mail is altered.  Police are sent to Lan's home to
investigate totally fabricated charges.  I am branded a liar and
even told that I don't exist, that Lan and I are one and the
same, and doing nothing more than playing some ridiculous online
mind game.  I am accused of being "turned" to the "dark side", if
you will, working for the government "spooks" that wander the
airwaves of cyberspace.  Why have we three been attacked so much,
especially Lan?  We have been the most vocal Nexxus members
during all of this.

Even after Lan declares the controversy a dead issue as far as
Nexxus is concerned, ACC continues to post libelous and
threatening releases to the internet, further fueling the
dividing fires sweeping over the UFO community in cyberspace.

It would seem, in review here, that someone possibly perceives
the Nexxus organization as a threat to something or someone.  Are
they a threat to ACC?  No.  If ACC is sincere in its claims to
desire nothing more than to expose the truth of the history of
UFOS and government coverup to the public, logic would dictate
that it would welcome the assistance of an organization of
scientists and ufologists.  If they are not sincere, then it
would be in their best interest to simply ignore Nexxus.  A
simple "thanks, but no thanks" would have ended any potential
perceived threat Nexxus represented to whatever goal ACC has.  At
the time of Lan's contact with Schulman, Nexxus was in its
infancy. A simple "thanks, but we got it under control" would
have sufficed.  Why the continued attacks, even after Lan threw
out the olive branch?  Who would stand to gain by the continued
firestorm distracting everyone?

Who stands to gain by Nexxus becoming a solid, world-wide
organization dedicated to sincere, open, objective scientific
analysis of the UFO/paranormal arenas?  The general public does.
Any new discoveries, anything learned is of value to the public
at large.

Who stands to lose by Nexxus becoming a solid, world-wide
organization dedicated to objective, thorough,
scientifically-oriented study of these fields?  It seems to me
that the US government stands to lose the most.  If there is
truth to the alledged coverup, the government would lose the most
by that information coming to light in a way that cannot be
refuted.  It would lose "face" and lose faith from the people it
governs.  It would be required to answer questions that it is not
prepared to answer.  And any individuals that were found to have
taken part in this 50 year deception of the general public would
stand to lose at the voting booth, and in the public opinion
polls, and thus at the budgeting tables in Congress.

What if all of this is nothing more than a government backed
disinformation/smear campaign against Lan and Nexxus?  For what
purpose?  To keep Nexxus from becoming a solid, working
organization.  For what purpose?  To protect the secrets they've
kept for 50 years.  For what purpose? Self-protection from a
pissed off public that hates to find out they've been lied to on
any issue.

Why ACC?  Look what affilitation with controversy in the field of
UFOs did for a little town in southeast New Mexico.  It put it on
the map.  It made the name "Roswell" a household word.  Why
become a household word?  Because name recognition sells
computers.  And people who own private PCs and who hook up to the
internet grows everyday.

Then again, its late and I'm tired.  My little ramblings here are
just ponderings of a tired mind.  I seriously doubt if any of my
"what if's" are anywhere near the reality of the situation.

Because if that were the case, it could explain a whole lot of
things.  And there seems to be a concerted effort of the part of
person or persons unknown at this time to make certain that some
things, some of them 50 years old, are not explained.


Then again......what do I know?

Night folks......

Jilain

jilain@rt66.com
New Mexico Director
Nexxus.org
IRC undernet channel #blackvault



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                       Life is but an empty dream!
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:52:37 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 15:13:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

List, John V., et al.,


>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 03:07:34 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


<nsip>

>This isn't that Jerry. This videotape was (allgedly) taken just
>this past Thanksgiving in Canada by a 16 year old kid while his
>family is being abducted! On top of which, these people are still
>missing according to what the producer told me. Where are the
>mounties or whoever handles this kind of thing in Canada? Too
>many unanswered questions and too little is known to form any
>judgements. I'll watch it along with the rest of you and we can
>all discuss it afterwards.

>I asked, and was informed by the producer that the program is
>being presented as "entertainment" not news. You're a bright
>camper, take it from there. <VBG>


>The "Experts on aliens" that they invited include:

>Whitley Strieber (Author, abductee)
>Doc Leir (The surgeon who removed implants from abductees in 1995)
>Derrel Sims (The "Nemesis of Mondoz")
>and Yvonne Smith (California based abduction researcher)
>Me (No-show!)

>That list alone speaks volumes don't it? <EG>

>Peace,

>John Velez

John:

The list is loaded for sure, but I'll bet it doesn't contain an
expert on Canadian holidays.  Must be a pretty iconoclastic bunch
of Canadians celebrating Thanksgiving Day. (McPherson Family
abducted while celebrating Thanksgiving, Thursday, November 27th,
according to UPN release on Net.) On second thought, ......nah,
I'll just to be more receptive to new ideas like a Canadian
family celebrating Thanksgiving before being abducted.  (Wait a
minute, maybe they weren't Canadians, but U.S. folks living in
Canada!  Oh, hell, you're right, John---ain't enough info to go
on.) You missed a bet on this. <chuckling>


Happy Holiday Aftermath

John White mjawhite@digitaldune.net
one.



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              Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:56:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens


>From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:32:03 -1000

>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:00:48 +0000
>Subject: Skywatch hour chat schedule

>This Sunday Evening at 8:00 Central, 6:00 Pacific, the Skywatch
>Hour will again have Dr. Bruce Macabee, who has kindly
>rescheduled after having a family emergency last week. We will
>discuss the latest postings from ACC, and his work with Stanton,
>and Lan.   On our Jan. 10th. chat we will have Stanton Friedman
>on as a guest, more on that later...   our address is:
>http://forums.msn.com/UFO The Briefing Room chat can be accessed
>by any IRC client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and
>the room or channel name is #briefing.

>Jim Hickman
>Host-Skywatch Hour
>Vice-President
>Executive Director of Communications
>Skywatch International

______

>I'm getting sort of confused as to who the bad guys are.

>Aloha
>Tom Burnett


Tom,
I'm not sure there are any "bad guy."  HOwever, I wonder abou the
level of intelligence sometimes <g>.

Some bad information combined with "heightened" paranoia on
thpart of ACC appears to have been the driving force behind this
controversy.    ACC claims to have "THE GOODS" which could bring
the wrath of UNCLE SAM dowen on their heads (and many others I
presume) so they are, I presume, rather fearful of contacts by
"spooks" and even the notorious MIB (if they exist).   Apparently
ACC decided that the Nexxus organization was set up to somehow
counter the ACC claims.   Actually Nexxus, along with everyone
else in the UFO field, would he happy to help ACC providing they
can back up their claims with something besides words for Shulman
and "mouthpieces" Mr. Wang and Mr. Wolf.

Basically we want to know... is ACC blowing smoke for some reason
(increased recognition among potential computer customers?
something between Shulman and AT&T that we can only speculate
about?) or are they telling the truth, the whole truth (minus
what is necessary to protect patent rights, of course) and and
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.....

In th meantime we have REAL mysteries out there, including the
impressive Mexico City video of Aug 6...







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              Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:03:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:00:43 -0500
Subject: Re: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens


Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:07:53 -0500
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: ACC, 'Nexus' & 'Riskers' - The Thot Plickens

>From: "acsa" <acsa@ix.netcom.com> ['Ed Wang']
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: My Turn to Beef at the Air Force!
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:34:56 -0500


>Good work Ed!>

>Now for my only question about all this.  Do you know if this
>"Lan Lamphere" is the same person who had the Storm Chasers
>website and claimed several months ago to have accidentally
t>aken video of a UFO as it shot through a tornado?  I thought
>that person was "Len Lamphere", but my memory may be wrong on
>that.

>If not the same man, then pretty darned odd to have such similar
>names!


Bob,
This Nexxus/ACC fray has gotten way out of proportion to the
initial contacts.  Lan Lamphere is indeed a "stormchaser" who
accidently videotaped a fast moving object while his camera was
pointed toward a developing tornado last May.   For months a
couple of frames were on the Windchaser site...now subsumed into
Nexxus, I think.   He submitted his video to several people
including me for analysis.   There is no doubt of th object going
in a nearly straight line downward and to the left.

If this object were more then 20 ft from the camera...then it was
"anomalous."   I have estimated its speed as roughly 1.7 times
the distance in feet give miles per hour (if 10 feet away, 17
mph'; if  1000 ft away....    you tell me!)   Experiments are
under way to determine whether or not the object could have been
within 20 ft of the camera..

Ed Wang has been part of blowing this whole thing out of proportion.
He has (apparently) reported what he has been told by ACC's Jack
Shulman.  HOwever, confirmation of what he was told is scant at
best.   ACC is and should be running the show here... but with
far less speculation than they have done.   They are claiming to
have discovered proof the transistor was "back engineered" by
Bell Labs from the Roswell material.  STRONG WORDS THESE! We have
heard a lot of words, with the evidence supposedly contained in
notebooks which do not mention flying saucers but do refer to
"object" .   Apparently these notebooks provide evidence that th
transistor reaearch project was set up as a "front" for the real
back engineering effort.

Anyway, it is now 6 months since the original ACC claims (and
Nexxus isn't a month old yet, so how could Nexxus have any
affect?) and we still don't know much more than we did back in
August.   I might point out that ACC said the original
description of the back engineering project was posted in the
form of a "joke" to see if anyone would respond.   Evidently th
UFO community did respond....but not as a joke.
Anyway, it is now 6 months since the original ACC claims (and
Nexxus isn't a month old yet, so how could Nexxus have any
affect?) and we still don't know much more than we did back in
August.   I might point out that ACC said the original
description of the back engineering project was posted in the
form of a "joke" to see if anyone would respond.   Evidently th
UFO community did respond....but not as a joke.

From my point of view this whole thing has been played wrong.







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                              'UFOs: A History'

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:53:25 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:26:03 -0500
Subject: 'UFOs: A History'

Greetings,

   Bob Girard at Arcturus Books has dug out his stock of Loren Gross'
UFOs:  A History.  He has on hand the following:

Vol 1:  1947
Vol 5:  January-March 1950
Vol 6:  April-July 1950
Vol 7:  August-December 1950
Vol 8:  1951

The catalogue entry from the January catalogue is "Backlist
#130."  The booklets are reduced in price to $5.00 each; a
bargain at twice the price, plus a flat $4.00 for postage within
the USA.  For international customers by surface:  3 pound,
$4.00, 4 pounds $4.68 after that 96 cents/pound.

Address:  1443 S. E. Port St. Lucie Blvd.
          Port St. Lucie, FL 34952, USA

          Tele:  561-398-0796
          Fax:   561-337-1701
          E-mail:  rgirard321@aol.com

Best regards,
--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
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                  Roswell '97 - 'The Winter of Discontent'

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:19:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:19:45 -0500
Subject: Roswell '97 - 'The Winter of Discontent'




From: http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/980103/news/stories/weather_3.html

Saturday January 3 2:03 AM EST

N.M. Accelerates Airlift for Stranded Herds

By Zelie Pollon

SANTA FE, N.M. (Reuters) - New Mexico stepped up its emergency
relief effort for battered livestock ranchers, dropping over 100
tons of food to herds stranded by fierce snowstorms.

Six C-130 military cargo planes rumbled just 300 feet above the
snow-covered high plains of eastern New Mexico Friday, dumping
one-ton bales of hay to starving cattle and sheep.

Bob Redden, spokesman for the state's Office of Emergency
Management, said the cargo planes airlifted 103 tons of food on
Friday, the highest daily total since the emergency relief
program began on Tuesday.

"What we are trying to do today is make sure that every rancher
gets some hay because there are still some where herds haven't
eaten in 10 days," he said.

State officials say at least 5,000 animals have been killed by a
series of snowstorms since Christmas Eve and that about 180,000
more are at risk.

Farms around the city of Roswell have been the hardest hit with
ranchers unable to get feed to their herds. The area rarely
receives heavy snow.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture offered $2 million of disaster
aid on Wednesday, agreeing to reimburse ranchers for up to 30
percent of the cost of buying feed to be airlifted in.

The famished animals are rushing to the bales of hay as soon as
they hit the ground.

"There's not a straw left out there," Redden said.

"When the hay drops, it bursts on the ground and the cattle are
on a dead run for it. I mean those cattle are really, really in
dire need for it," said Norm Plank, vice-president of the New
Mexico Farm Bureau.

Another 115 tons will be dropped on Saturday and officials hope
to complete the airlift operation on Sunday.

Plank said huge drifts had buried some cattle and sheep but the
full death toll will not be known until the snow thaws.

Ranchers are banding together to move large trucks and
snowmobiles into the worst-affected areas to help feed the herds
and break the ice off the top of frozen water ponds.

"An adult steer drinks about 10 gallons a day so, besides feed,
they need water. No cow can eat enough snow to get all the water
it needs," Redden said.

He said the airlift was being made more difficult by herds that
had started to wander, but that ranchers had begun to see
positive signs. "Yesterday, we observed some calves that had
survived. That is a good sign because they are definitely the
most at risk."

At the start of 1997, New Mexico ranchers had a total of 1.5
million beef cattle, 197,000 milk cows and 325,000 sheep.

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                         CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: NEXXUS

From: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> [Francis Ridge]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:26:53 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:27:23 -0500
Subject: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: NEXXUS

Very brief:

NEXXUS is/was probably nothing more than an attempt by someone,
very young, who apparently knows everything about everything, to
do something the instigators knew nothing about. I would
categorize this as a ridiculous joke on all of us, if it were not
so insulting and time-consuming. I don't want to waste any more
time with it, except to tell you all to go back to what you were
doing, and stop listening and believing all these conspiracy
theories.

You have evidence for the reality of UFOs and the knowledge that
WE ARE NOT alone, right now. You can't prove it with any
individual case, and some tell us that 130,000 such cases on
computer doesn't prove anything, either. Many have told me,
lately, that we already have enough data. We just don't use it.

Lan Lamphere tried to tell me how to do everything. When I talked
about databases on aircraft cases numbering around 3,000 and
hundreds of cases on E-M effects on auto ignitions, or making a
web site for UFO URLs he said, "It can't be done!" He didn't know
we already had this information. When we bumped heads on certain
UFO information and methods and I had put up with all the BS I
could stand, I led him to believe we hadn't done it yet. Then the
stuff hit the fan, the phone calls stopped, and NEXXUS began.
With Jack Wolfe in charge of LTPs as the "leading authority on
telescopes". That's when we lost our scope AND Jack.

Let's go back to work.

Francis Ridge







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                    UFO in Selkirk Mountains, BC, Canada

From: ayoung@junction.net, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:14:46 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:34:04 -0500
Subject: UFO in Selkirk Mountains, BC, Canada

Received via "alt.conspiracy.area51" December 2 at 17.20 local time
(GMT + 1 hour):

*******

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:20:06 GMT
From: ayoung@junction.net (Alan M. Young)
Subject: UFO Spotted in the Selkirk Mountains
Message-ID: <68j3gi$kv8$1@news.junction.net>


I have to interview the three train crews that witnessed a sighting
while working the mountain sub-division of CPR.

The information I have so far is that two traincrews operating in
the area and another crew deadheading in a taxi, heard a very large
booming sound. Then instantly the whole valley East of Revelstoke BC
lit up as if daylight. A large ball of light was seen hovering above
the peak of Mount Sir Donald. After about 10 seconds, the ball of
light shot straight up in to the night sky and disappeared.
The event happened at 0130 on December 18th 1997. Being that 3
separate train crews and one taxi driver, (a total of 7 people), saw
the event, I will be able to colaborate the information and compile a
report. I will keep you all posted.

Alan M. Young
Locomotive Engineer
ayoung@junction.net










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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 18:17:26 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:21:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:20:08 -0400
> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:29:09 -0800
> > From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> > > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500
> > > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > > From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> > > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> > > I haven't got the belly for decieving people that way. If they
> > > had asked me to appear as an abductee and to present what little
> > > evidence we do have (in order to substantiate our claims) then I
> > > would have packed my x-rays and pix, hopped the plane and gone
> > > out there to do the thing the way it should be done. That's not
> > > the case though. This sounds like more "TV hot topic"
> > > sensationalism.

> > > The people who -are- going to appear as "experts" should preface
> > > their remarks by telling the public that there -are no "experts"
> > > when it comes to abduction- and that -none of them- are video
> > > analysis experts. I come closer to that than any of them and I'm
> > > passing on it!

> > > If they want to express their opinions, cool. But, if they are
> > > going to sit there and spout off like they know what they're
> > > talking about, (which is what they will all do) then I want no
> > > part of it.

> > > That kind of BS is pure "show biz" and has nothing to do with
> > > getting to the truth.

> > > It's tough waiting and holding out for serious offers from
> > > serious people. There are so very few of them. It's a shame, this
> > > is terribly urgent business, can't wait for them to wake up and
> > > smell the coffee.

> > > TTYL,

> > > John

> > Congratulations!! Well done!!!

> > Maybe if more people start to refuse to appear on these shows (with
> > explanation) the producers may start to ask themselves if they have
> > missed something important for once.

> > A great way to fight back!

> > John

> List:

> It has been my experience that if the good guys don't go on the
> bad guys will. The producers care about meeting deadlines and
> making money. Truth is not their thing. Lord knows ufology has
> plenty of bad guys...

> Stan Friedman

Stan and List:

Good point. However, the problem is that the producers make the
good guys look like bad guys by editing out all the good stuff.
As you said, truth is not their thing. That does much more harm
than good.

It would better to let the producers wonder why all the good guys
are boycotting them. Viewers should do the same, or agree to
boycott the advertisers - I have.

John Koopmans










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                   To all webmasters of UFO related sites

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:12:54 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:37:47 -0500
Subject: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

Hello All,

I'm curious about something and I know that there are several
webmasters on this list that maintain UFO related websites.
Since I opened AIC (Abduction Information Center) I've taken
an inordinate number of hits from government servers.

I'm not being paranoid, and I realize that (most of them) can
probably be accounted for by government employees surfing
the web on their lunch hours. But it's not just government
servers, it's military servers, the FAA (Federal Aviation
Authority) and several other (anonymous0 government agencies.

My partner Pat Parrinello tells me that if "Uncle" was really
checking us out we'd never know they were there! Probably
true. But then why are we taking -so many hits- from those
servers on an almost daily basis?

I'm curious how many others take regular hits from (.gov) or
(.mil) or (.FAA) or (.CIA)servers. If "Uncle" wants a look I figure
he can knock on the front door like everybody else. I don't like
being watched though and that's what this "feels like." I'm
being hit by them almost everyday, sometimes three or four
times a day. The possibility also exists that I'm being hit by
abductees seeking information who happen to work for "Uncle"
and visit me during work hours on their office computer.

Who knows?

Geez, I think I'm being watched by "Uncle" maybe I have become
paranoid! Move over Dr B make room in the hot tub I may be
joining you one day! <VBG>

If any other webmasters have similar experience I'd like to
hear about it. I've only been on the web for two years and
it's possible that this is commonplace. I -would- like to know
though. So far, they have not penetrated into the private side of
the website. But I don't want them snooping around at all. One of
my websites is a site for abductees and I need to protect their
privacy and anonymity.

"You're not paranoid if someone is -really- following you!" <G>

John Velez, Webmaster- AIC/Intruders Foundation Online









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                                 Israel '97

From: Chamish Barry <chamish@netmedia.net.il> [Barry Chamish]
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:43:44 +0200 (IST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:45:32 -0500
Subject: Israel '97


                    STUNNING ISRAELI EVIDENCE EMERGES
                         by Barry Chamish

One might think 1997 was a poor year of UFO activity in Israel
judging by the paucity of media reports. In fact, the media
clamped down hard in January '97 after they were burned on the
Achiod alien/lizard story and the false prediction of mass
landings on Jan.5. However, due to the superb research of David
Ronen, Doron Rotem and two young newcomers, Gil Bar and Eddie
Shpitz, it turns out that 1997 was a vintage year for Israeli
ufology. Some of the most dramatic physical evidence of the
country's intense ten years of activity emerged last year.
Following is a summary of 1997.

                     FILMS

   - Over three nights in September 1996, Elad Niger filmed a
remarakable UFO over the coastal plains city of Kochav Yair from
his vantage point in the nearby city of Kfar Saba. He released
the films to David Ronen in March of 1997. They reveal the
prettiest UFO ever filmed in Israel. It looks like a colorful
apple wearing a three pronged crown.

  - 1997 saw three UFOs filmed in Rishon Letzion, 20 miles south
of Tel Aviv and a center of UFO activity since 1993 when giant
aliens visited the apartment of Batya Shimon. Of the three clips,
none is so memorable as Gil Bar's November filming of an
ellipsoid disk captured in 4 PM sunlight being chased by an
Israeli Air Force F-15. The UFO's high speed manoevres to escape
the jet are most acrobatic. This is the first known instance of a
military plane chasing a UFO captured on film in Israel.

   - Then on November 26, Nahum Shomroni video-taped an afternoon
invasion of low flying UFOs over Tel Aviv. The light conditions
were perfect and the craft were flying at only an estimated 700
meters altitude. The result is a breathtaking view of three
sponge-shaped, dark UFOs of a type possibly never seen before.

                    PHYSICAL EVIDENCE

1997 saw two disturbing animal mutilation incidents associated
with UFO sightings. They continued a pattern that began in the
Negev village of Klachim in Dec. '96. Sylvia and Yitzhak Kadosh
witnessed "an image as big as a house sparkling like a welding
torch" land near their donkey compound. The light vanished before
their eyes and they hoped it would be the last time their farm
suffered such an intrusion. But their hope was not realized. Two
nights later, 2 donkeys were mutilated. The older one had its
eyes and tongue removed and its rib cage was exposed by a
surgical removal of skin and tissue. The younger animal only had
the latter operation performed on it.

In July '97, the Glam family of Sde Uziah, thirty miles west of
Klachim, had a UFO experience which culminated in Mrs. Glam being
chased by a projector light from an unknown source. Again, two
nights later, their sheep pen was invaded and five sheep were
drained bloodless from precise holes drilled in their cheeks.

Doron Rotem researched both incidents and to this day, keeps an
example from Sde Uziah frozen in his freezer. He admits his wife
is not happy about this mutilated carcass sharing space with the
family groceries.

The final incident made national news, the only UFO story to do
so all year. On Nov. 2, a silver ellipsoid disk hovered over the
Gaza Strip settlement of Paat Hasadeh. On Nov. 8, Yaacov
Mazal-Terem awoke to discover a row of twelve pairs of holes, 5
cm. deep along the fence which enclosed his horse. The horse
itself, had two 1 cm. holes surgically drilled into its front
hooves. The row of holes was photographed by the national media
and their origin remains a mystery. Speculation is they were
alien tracks or pods from a craft.

And finally, the famed hotspot of Kadima returned gloriously to
Israel's UFO history. From 1993-95, approximately 20 landing
spots were discovered after nights of UFO activity in the skies.
Within were shards of material later tested worldwide and found
to be a nearly pure silicon. This year, the same shards were
found twelve miles to the west on the beaches of Gaash and
Shfayim after UFO activity was reported.

On October 10, a UFO was seen over the Kadima suburb of Tel
Yitzhak. Idan Levy discovered its landing circle and found
within, not shiny silicon but an unknown material that looks like
grey branched coral.

                SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO

I will be bringing the videos of the low flying invasion of Tel
Aviv, the F-15 chasing a most distinct disk over Rishon Letzion
and the colorful apple-shaped craft  with a crown over Kochav
Yair to the Laughlin, Nevada conference. I think conferees will
agree this is a most dynamic and important trio of films.

I will also be bringing photos of the three mutilation cases as
well as samples of the Kadima "coral" to be offered for serious
laboratory testing.

Israel's unique and powerful wave did not diminish in 1997, it
simply went unreported. That will end in Laughlin.


end
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Sent by Barry Chamish - Israeli journalist.
Phone/Fax : (972)-2-9914936
E-Mail    : chamish@netmedia.net.il
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                      Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:07:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:56:49 -0500
Subject: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

I am going to quote a short section titled 'Unaware Abductees'
from Dr David M. Jacobs' new book, 'The Threat --- The Secret
Agenda: What the Aliens Really Want and How They Plan to Get It'
[pages 120-121]. Then I'll ask a rhetorical question that
expresses my concerns.


[Begin quote]

Although unaware abductees are a silent population who confound
accurate statistics, they provide an excellent "reality check"
for the abduction phenomenon.  We can compare reports abductees
made before they became aware of their abductions to those they
made after hypnosis with a competent therapist.  As a group, the
unaware abductees consistently report a similar pattern of
experiences before becoming aware of abductions.

When unaware, they explain their strange experiences in ways
acceptable to society.  For example, an unaware abductee will
explain his nighttime odd and half-remembered visitations as
"guardian angels" calling on him.  An unaware abductee might
explain a visitation as a deceased relative or friend reassuring
him that "Everything is all right." An unaware abductee may think
that he has seen "ghosts" and that his house is "haunted." One
woman told me she and her family had moved many times to get away
from ghosts, but every house she ever lived in was haunted.

Unaware abductees also frequently report seeing religious figures
or the Devil. They report have had intense and profound
communication with an animal. They describe having unexpected or
unwanted "out-of-body experiences" that take place apart from
trauma or meditation. They travel on the "astral plane," from
which they can look down and see rooftops in their neighborhood.

The case of one graduate student is typical. She told me of
seeing ghosts, UFOs, and bizarre occurrences throughout her life.
In one spectacular event, when she was a young girl, she looked
out of her bedroom window and saw a UFO landing in her backyard.
Suddenly her distraught mother came running into her bedroom,
yelling that the aliens were going to get them and that they had
to hide. The student remembered nothing else in the incident. I
asked her what she thought about these unusual events. She
answered that her mother had told her this was just part of life,
that life has its mysterious side, and that what she experienced
was just a part of growing up. She was able to categorize a
lifetime of extraordinary events as "normal".

[End of quote]


Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Jacobs admitting
that a competent hypnotist can debunk people who don't believe
that they've been abducted by aliens?

Oh, not just anyone, just those crazy enough to believe that
they've had contact with guardian angels, deceased relative,
religious figures, ghosts, the Devil  or some other, socially
acceptable form of anomalous experience.


Joseph Polanik

Trionic Research Institute
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                  ACC, Lamphere, Nexus, Wang & Wolf, et al

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:28:37 -0500
Subject: ACC, Lamphere, Nexus, Wang & Wolf, et al





>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:26:53 -0600
>From: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> [Francis Ridge]
>Subject: NEXXUS
>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Very brief:

>NEXXUS is/was probably nothing more than an attempt by someone,
>very young, who apparently knows everything about everything, to
>do something the instigators knew nothing about. I would
>categorize this as a ridiculous joke on all of us, if it were not
>so insulting and time-consuming. I don't want to waste any more
>time with it, except to tell you all to go back to what you were
>doing, and stop listening and believing all these conspiracy
>theories.

>Let's go back to work.

>Francis Ridge


The last months around the 'ACC' threads have caused me some
indecision. Should I continue to post incoming 'stuff' or not?
Yes, the story has been 'news', yes there are many unanswered
questions and yes, the controversy has spread and taken up
way too much bandwidth.

Since most of us are able to surf the various sites and List
archives involved, I'd like to suggest is that until resolution
comes UpDates ignores it.






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                   Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:40:44 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:26:13 -0500
Subject: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

Apology to MW #211 (For January 3, 1998)

Write it off as wallowing in my own naivet=E9. I was hoping that
the righteous motes were here. But there's none of what I'm
looking for I'd really likely find; what's real's likely way
beyond what's queer.  Likely way beyond experience, and shot from
different guns, the weave of things addresses what we're not. And
it shows up in the actions of the ones that stake their claim on
this puzzle they're not seeing we've all got.

It's everybody's puzzle and we all should get an answer to the
mystery that lies, and cheats and teases. The ones that do
research are the ones so often hurt by the 'one' that's always
done just what he pleases. Remember, please, John Ford, and
consider his confinement as a black mark on the labor some
perform.

"=85Into UFO research? Then you might be like that jerk, the
'flying saucer killer' ol' John Ford."

Let 'the man' grind down on _him_ without a single peep from you,
and the deed is quicker done on you and me! If they cap off
Johnny Ford they have drawn a stealthy sword and they slash at
any chance that we'd be free.

Some of us are wolves that prowl a land we think we own, and are
pissing on its corners, stems, and twigs. It is vaulting over
tick turds and distracting from the search, and attracting like a
swine farm full of pigs.

The *glee* that we're displaying when we're catching people human
is a game the meanest children always play. And it's children
we're revealing when engaged in doubtful dealing that the field's
been evolved to, hard to say!

But suffer single take downs, at your peril, with indifference.
It won't be long they've made their way to you. Where's salvation
coming from, when you're the one that needs it! John Ford is
going down, dear list, obscene, unjust -- but true.

   Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Why should Ufologists be any better than, say, lawyers? And the
answer is I'm loath to associate myself with lawyers, and would
prefer the company of those that _might_ see beyond our
conspiring cultural pale -- past the tiny fractions of perception
offered up by shallow inadequate senses =85 a more efficacious
appreciation for what many of us presently perceive as unjustly
applied and conveniently interpreted reality. I would prefer the
company of Ufologists even if I knew most of them were lying to
me, as I know ALL the lawyers are lying to me. Christ! That
sounded an awful lot like I said ufologists are ethically and
morally superior to lawyers! Somebody STOP me!

Come on! Brothers and sisters, ladies and gentlemen, boys and
girls -- fellow motes -- come together on this thing!

Bug the networks! Write some E-mail; send a letter. There are
_many_ in this community that could step on a short fused truth
somewhere and be the subject of these same *special* attentions
suffered by John Ford. John Ford may be wrong; John Ford may be
obsessed -- John Ford may get up yer butt so far you can feel his
boot toes burrowing into the insteps of your knees -- but that
doesn't make him a murderer!

Additionally, there is a handful of people close to John Ford
(people who know the particulars) who will stand right up for
him. Is it not more logical to fall in with them, whatever the
outcome, than take the _word_ of the institution (the Suffolk
county machine) that Ford was so stridently critical of? John
Ford, an individual, was publicly AFTER the *machine* that
brought him down -- now that STINKS, friends and neighbors,
stinks like a moldy latrine door on a tuna boat!

And not to single anyone out, but where is a similar (however
petulant) outrage (recently displayed) for even more outrageous
and unethical behaviors committed by (un-admitted) enemies of an
honest truth you profess an interest in uncovering? One of your
own's buried alive in an arbitrary hole, the victim of very
questionable and bizarre circumstances, while you argue tired
signatures, and absolutist ethical ideals -- ideals conveniently
applied many times, I observe, or most here don't stretch their
position (however slightly) by omission of non supporting data.
No one holds the ground more ethical than the other, and then is
able to sneer from those imagined battlements refined criticisms
that enrage, impugn, and inflame the obstinate, even wrong,
retort. Nothing gained there!

It seems to me there are bigger fish to fry. It also seems to me
that one of the chakra (sp?) junctures of ufological significance
might be right at the point that keeps John Ford from the light
of day! Getting to the bottom of the John Ford imbroglio,
whatever the outcome, could be a watershed of illuminating
information!

But, maybe we don't want any answers!  Maybe we're just
interested in pissing in the corners of something we pretend to
own, and making feathered displays at those that transgress our
imagined borders. *Inconveniently*, while we spout, strut and
preen, there are those that languish, likely unjustly.
Finally, freeing John Ford may be a prodigious step taken in the
direction of freeing ourselves from this worrying
irresponsibility of doing nothing at all to relieve a threat on
our _own_ persons. Consider _that_!

Free John Ford.
--
Explore the Alien View?

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/

"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake for questioning the markers of territories.

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Government or Social Harassment REPORT - Presently, "ZERO" Personal
HARASSMENT; however, the harassment index is infinite for each of us.
Consider the harassment of one of us, and our predictable indifference to=
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                           BWW Media Alert 980103

From: BufoCalvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:14:16 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:21:51 -0500
Subject: BWW Media Alert 980103

Bufo Calvin
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Internet: BufoCalvin@aol.com
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ALL RIGHTS RESERVED (permission is granted to reproduce or redistribute this
edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made
to http://members.aol.com/bufocalvin. It is good etiquette to check with
strangers before you e-mail them something.  If you forward this, please make
sure it is clear that you are forwarding it).
January 3, 1998

Welcome to the new year!

Hopefully, things will work out soon for me to be able to put more time into
this again.  I hope to do my annual the Year in Weird review (to go out to the
Bufo's WEIRD WORLD list) by the end of this month.  I'm going to try and get
BWW out quarterly this year.  Also, the new Bufo's ANOMALIT (short for
"anomalous literature") REVIEW list should start going out this month.  If you
have questions about it, just let me know.

Oh, and if you are interested in getting the Skeptical perspective (as you
know, I strongly recommend that you read people with whom you disagree...I
know that applies to many of my readers and CSICOP ;) ), you can go to

http://www.csicop.org/list/index.html#subscribe

and subscribe to the weekly SI Electronic Digest for free.  It's an on-line
supplement to their Skeptical Inquirer.

Okay, on to the listings!

ON-LINE

MICROSOFT NETWORK'S UFO FORUM (http://forums.msn.com/ufo/welcome.htm) guest
chat for this Tuesday at 6:00 PM Pacific has Kal Korff, author of a couple of
Skeptical books on UFOs, most recently THE ROSWELL UFO CRASH: WHAT THEY DON'T
WANT YOU TO KNOW
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1573921270/bufosweirdworldA/).
There are additional chats at this site during the week, generally every night
at 6:00 PM, Pacific.  Monday's features (host) Peter Gersten, a "crusading"
UFO attorney who is known for his effective use of the Freedom of Information
Act, as well as an "Internet serial" on UFOs.

OMNI MAGAZINE'S HIGH STRANGENESS chat, Tuesday at 10:00
(http://www.omnimag.com/talk/) has Dan Sherman, author of ABOVE BLACK: PROJECT
PRESERVE DESINTY, AN INSIDER ACCOUNT OF ALIEN CONTACT AND GOVERNMENT COVER-UP.
This book is getting a lot of play in the UFO "community", although I haven't
been able to get it listed at the website yet.

SYNDICATED TV:

HOME TEAM WITH TERRY BRADSHAW features psychic Victoria Bearden, along with
some predictions for the new millenium.  In my area, this episode is running
on Saturday.

MONTEL WILLIAMS: psychic Sylvia Brown is a scheduled guest on Tuesday's
episode.

DISCOVERY CHANNEL

Saturday (today) at 2:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE has their
episode on SPONTANEOUS HUMAN COMBUSTION.   Sunday at 6:00 PM, the ACC episode
is ROOTS OF EVIL, about magic and spells, followed at 6:30 PM by MONSTERS OF
THE DEEP.

Sunday, Jan. 4, starting at 1:00 PM, they run three episodes of the UFOS: DOWN
TO EARTH series: at 1:00, it's REASON TO BELIEVE; at 2:00, UNCOVERING THE
EVIDENCE; and at 3:00, DEEP SECRETS which covers Area 51.  I've heard good
comments from people on these.

HISTORY CHANNEL

Today, Saturday Jan. 3, at 4:00, HISTORY'S MYSTERIES has ROSWELL: AN ALIEN
OBSESSION.

This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!"

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I'm very excited about this!  Some of you know, I ran a bookstore for years, and
 it has always been a love of mine.  I get asked often to recommend
books(I do write reviews for several publications) on these topics, and now I
can do it and actually give you a source for them at the same time!  This is
being done in association with Amazon.com, which has an outstanding
reputation for the five "S"s of internet shopping: selection, searchability,
service, savings, and security.  If there is any specific book you want (or
topic in which you are interested), let me know and I will do the research
and e-mail you a link you can use to check it out more (and order it if you
want).  I will be linking to books within the Media Alert, to make it more
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                 Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:04:27 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:45:20 -0500
Subject: Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites


>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:12:54 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

>Hello All,

>I'm curious about something and I know that there are several
>webmasters on this list that maintain UFO related websites.
>Since I opened AIC (Abduction Information Center) I've taken
>an inordinate number of hits from government servers.

<snip>

>I'm curious how many others take regular hits from (.gov) or
>(.mil) or (.FAA) or (.CIA)servers. If "Uncle" wants a look I figure
>he can knock on the front door like everybody else. I don't like
>being watched though and that's what this "feels like." I'm
>being hit by them almost everyday, sometimes three or four
>times a day. The possibility also exists that I'm being hit by
>abductees seeking information who happen to work for "Uncle"
>and visit me during work hours on their office computer.


John,

After over 10,000 hits at the UFOIC website, I have found that
.gov and .mil are quite commonplace. But .faa and .cia are very
rare, unless they are sometimes registered as 'unknown'.


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                 Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:11:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 14:53:44 -0500
Subject: Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 02:12:54 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

John,

>I'm curious about something and I know that there are several
>webmasters on this list that maintain UFO related websites.

It might be better to ask these questions of webmasters that have
non-UFO related sites. It sounds like you feel you may be getting
this traffic because of your subject matter. If sites on other
subjects get the same kind of traffic you can rest assured that,
yes you are being paranoid. <g>

Also, it might be wise to run a check on your acronym. There are
other agencies that use "AIC" and you may be getting some traffic
that is misdirected. (We have a local group, American Indian
Center, for example.) Your acronym backwards is CIA. Allow a few
hits for that as well.

Not everyone thinks the word "abduction" means aliens. It means
something completely different to missing and abducted children
organizations. And any of the agencies you mention are interested
in that. Check with the web masters of those sites and see what
kind of traffic they get.

If you still feel your being watched after checking into all
angles, then you probably are.

Regards,

Theresa Carlson













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                    Chat with FOIA attorney Peter Gersten

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:27:31 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 05:12:20 -0500
Subject: Chat with FOIA attorney Peter Gersten

Timeless Journeys chat

Join the UFO Forum at  http://forums.msn.com/UFO
on Monday, January 5th, 6pm Pacific time, 'ufolawyer'
Peter A. Gersten, director of Citizens Against UFO
Secrecy (CAUS), and the author of the first and only
Internet serial, 'The Ultimate Secret', will be
discussing among other topics:

1) His planned FOIA lawsuit against the Army based upon
Lt. Col.(Ret) Philip Corso's book, The Day After Roswell.

2) The 'Destination Moon 'project...a first privately
funded rocket launch to the moon to verify the artificial
structures at Sinus Medii.

3) His upcoming 'Healing Your Inner Alien'` workshop in
Sedona, Arizona  in February. Later that evening Peter
will be appearing on the Art Bell show.

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC
client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com
and the room or channel name is #briefing.









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                             Chat with Kal Korff

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:08:31 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 05:19:32 -0500
Subject: Chat with Kal Korff


Join The UFO Forum with special Guest Kal Korff
on Tuesday, January 6th, 6pm pacific time,
at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

To UFO and paranormal expert Kal K. Korff, there's
a reality to Roswell that no one so far has had the
expertise, or the guts to express.  His exclusive
access to newly declassified information, witness
testimony and his ability to expose flawed research
make for startling new relevations.

Starting January 2nd, you can hear Korff discuss
these claims via Netshow interview at the UFO
Forum website.

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC
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                 Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:25:02 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:42:13 -0500
Subject: Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites


> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:11:51 -0500
> From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: To all webmasters of UFO related sites
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


> It might be better to ask these questions of webmasters that have
> non-UFO related sites. It sounds like you feel you may be getting
> this traffic because of your subject matter. If sites on other
> subjects get the same kind of traffic you can rest assured that,
> yes you are being paranoid. <g>

I operate a pretty modest site dealing mainly with pictures of
spacecraft and suchlike. I skim through the logs before deleting
them about once a  month and there are usually dozens of .gov
related addresses..3 letter agencies included. I'm pretty sure
its mainly just Joe employee bored at lunchtime investigating
their personal interests.

In other cases many of the hits seem to be from search engine
robots updating their databases (ala Alta Vista etc)..following
every possible link. I don't think its too shocking to learn that
these agencies *may* be operating their own search engines, I
doubt any single topic is being singled out. Going by my logs,
private companies seem to be bigger feeders-machines at some of
the major aerospace companies have on occasion sat there
extracting every single file I have available on the site.

Kerry








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                diPietro Supports Congressional UFO Hearings

From: Tim Mamin <marshallm@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:30:07 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:45:40 -0500
Subject: diPietro Supports Congressional UFO Hearings

In an interview on the Laura Lee radio talk show (1/3), JPL
engineer and Cydonia researcher Vince diPietro responded to my
call-in question asking him to state his position on
Congressional UFO hearings. Mr. diPietro usually resists making
comments based on speculation about the possible existence of
extraterrestrial UFOs. In this instance, when asked if he
supported calls for open Congressional hearings by people such as
Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Mr. diPietro said he believes ET visitations
may in fact have occurred in the past and may still be occurring,
and that reports from credible should be investigated.
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                Mysterious Scottish Explosions, October 1997

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:57:33 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:58:40 -0500
Subject: Mysterious Scottish Explosions, October 1997

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:50:04 +0000


Hi Folks,

I remember a few weeks or so ago,a report concerning mysterious
explosions over Scotland was posted to the various lists.

We have managed to access further data relating to this incident
and thought that you all may find it of interest.

Thanks for your time.

Dave Ledger.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

MYSTERY EXPLOSIONS OVER SCOTLAND.
Saturday 26th of October 1997.5:00pm GMT.


A massive sea search was launched on Saturday 26th of October
after reports of explosions and objects falling into the sea off
the West coast of Scotland.

At around 17.00hrs eye witnesses reported seeing the explosion in
the sky  off the Butt of Lewis. The area is the exact point where
transatlantic flights enter British airspace. The RAF could not
rule out an air collision and mounted a full search which cost
=A3200,000, but they found nothing, or so the official line says.

One eye witness reported a large aircraft and a smaller one
collide. Another heard a couple of loud bangs and saw debris
falling from the sky. But Air Traffic Control at Prestwick said
they had no reports of planes missing.

A RAF spokesman from Kinross said, "We have a special unit
investigating the matter. One of the things we are looking into
is that it is space debris. But we are also
searching through all the radar tapes around the time of the
incident to see if there is any trace of aircraft.

Stornoway Coastguard initially mounted a helicopter sea search
but as reports increased a RAF Sea King and a Nimrod joined in.
Lochinver Lifeboat was launched and all the shipping alerted in
the area. A French fishing boat, at the time off Lewis also
headed for the area as did the Port Salvo which usually operated
in the Minch. Police and ambulance crews were also standing by at
Ness, in case of survivors.

Witnesses reported a large pall of smoke out to sea. Another
shocked resident said, "It lit up the sky and then fell to the
sea. It was like a scene from the X-Files." Norman MacDonald of
Skigersta Road said, "When I heard it at first, I thought it was
a firework because its not long to Guy Fawkes night. Then I saw a
trail of smoke. I saw three flashes in total and heard a further
two bangs."

"I rushed into the local shop, and took the staff and customers
out. They also saw the dense smoke trail going into the sea."

The top secret RAF tracking station of Flyingdales in Yorkshire
was asked for any information that they may have picked up, but
they said they had detected nothing. Flyingdales is equipped with
highly sensitive tracking devices which gives warning of any
nuclear missile attack on Britain.

American military scientists from Sandia National Laboratories,
which operate spy satellites from their base in Alburguerque, New
Mexico are also interested in the incident and have begun their
own investigations. The involvement of the US military has
sparked off rumours as the military somehow being involved in the
incident although they deny all knowledge of it. Incidentally two
days later the same area saw a NATO exercise involving thirty
ships and eighty aircraft.

Professor Mark Bailey of the Armagh observatory in Northern
Ireland admitted he was puzzled and said, "I am torn between this
being caused by the military, such as target practice, and a
natural phenomena such as a fireball."

The SNP claims it has information that a naval frigate was in the
area shortly after the incident lifting wreckage from the sea and
Margaret Ewing is being asked to raise
the matter in the Commons.

Meanwhile Nick Pope has taken an interest in the incident and is
carrying out his own investigations saying that he would not rule
out the possibility of this being a UFO.

(Special thanks to our friend Mark Fraser at Haunted Scotland
 Magazine.)

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                    The Washington Post: UFO Book Reviews

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:43:29 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 11:07:32 -0500
Subject: The Washington Post: UFO Book Reviews

>From the site of The Washington Post. URL:

http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-01/04/041l-010498-idx.html


*******


The Start of Something Big

By Elaine Showalter

Sunday, January 4, 1998; Page X01



THE THREAT

The Secret Alien Agenda

By David M. Jacobs

Simon & Schuster. 287 pp. $23


FACES OF THE VISITORS

An Illustrated Reference to Alien Contact

By Kevin Randle and Russ Estes

Simon & Schuster. 308 pp. $12


MILLENNIUM, MESSIAHS, AND MAYHEM

Contemporary Apocalyptic Movements

Edited by Thomas Robbins and Susan J. Palmer

Routledge. 334 pp. Paperback, $18.95


UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL

The Genesis of a Modern Myth

By Benson Saler, Charles A. Ziegler, and Charles B. Moore

Smithsonian. 198 pp. $24.95


QUESTIONING THE MILLENNIUM

A Rationalist's Guide to a Precisely

Arbitrary Countdown

By Stephen Jay Gould

Harmony. 190 pp. $17.95


IN 1898, in War of the Worlds, H.G. Wells played masterfully on his
culture's fin de siecle anxiety with a story of telepathic,
blood-sucking Martians landing in suburban London to invade a world
they regard as crowded by "inferior animals." In the 1930s, Orson
Welles terrified New Jersey with his radio adaptation of the story. Now
David M. Jacobs, a professor of history and ufology at Temple
University, carries on the tradition, but he doesn't think it's
fiction.

In The Threat, Jacobs expounds his view that a race of alien
pod-people is about to take over the earth. For decades, he
explains, extraterrestrial beings have been carrying out a
sustained program of abductions, sperm collection,
ova-harvesting, and alien-human cross-breeding. "At the heart of
the reproductive agenda," he writes, "is the Breeding Program,"
using "extrauterine gestational units" that look like brown paper
bags to impregnate menopausal women; "Mindscan" to create sexual
arousal in unwilling victims; nasal implants to monitor negative
thoughts, and "fetal extraction" (fatal attraction?) to salvage
the hybrid if its carrier thinks about abortion. Moreover,
there's nothing we can do; already "it may be too late" to stop
the threat of "alien integration," and the aliens could be coming
as soon as 1999.

Preposterous as Jacobs's theory sounds -- and surely millennial
social anxieties of intermarriage, immigration, artificial
insemination and genetic engineering have something to do with
his vision -- he presents it with serious intent, and undoubtedly
many readers will believe him, just as they headed for the hills
when Orson Welles broadcast his "War of the Worlds." Indeed,
recent surveys show that 25 percent of all Americans believe that
aliens have landed on earth. And they're not all the big-eyed
Tall Grays we know from "The X-Files" or "Close Encounters." In
Faces of the Visitors, Kevin Randle and Russ Estes describe,
sketch, and rate the credibility of sightings of over 100
different kinds of alien beings, from reptoids and insectoids to
humanoids, indistinguishable from you or me, to sexy Brad
Pitt-like "Nordics." Whatever their appearance, most of the
aliens are sexual predators; there is even a Midwestern support
group for those raped by reptoids.

What we don't have, though, are Polaroids. In fact, there are no
photographs, videotapes, or material evidence to prove that any
of these Oids exist. Some of David Jacobs's patients (he has
studied hypnosis and done over 700 "hypnotic interviews" with
abductees) have set up video cameras in their bedrooms to film
nighttime abductions, but the cameras seem to fall down or break
or show the patients getting up at night and turning them off. At
a National Press Club luncheon in Washington in October, a
reporter asked Gen. John Shalikashvili, then-chairman of the
joint chiefs of staff, whether the United States was adequately
defended against the threat of invasion by extraterrestrials. "I
sleep well at night," the general replied, "without fear that an
alien being is going to capture me." The journalists laughed, but
neither high-level assurance, absence of evidence, nor
disconfirmed prediction seems to halt the fears of abduction,
invasion, conspiracy, and apocalypse that swirl around the end of
our century.

Alien invasion is only one of the many conspiracy theories and
apocalyptic scenarios that constitute what the novelist Don
DeLillo calls "millennial hysteria." Believers can hitch their
scenarios to a multitude of alleged apocalyptic "signs" -- AIDS,
the breakdown of the family, the Internet. Lubavitcher Hassidic
Jews interpreted the Gulf War as a sign of the imminent
appearance of the Messiah. Egyptians, as The Post recently
reported, interpreted the death of Princess Diana as a
British-Israeli conspiracy designed to keep her from marrying a
Muslim. But, warn Thomas Robbins and Susan Palmer in the
introduction to their excellent Millennium, Messiahs, and Mayhem,
apocalyptic thinking can "become dangerous when actual events
appear markedly convergent with the anticipated scenarios of
zealots." The recent massacre of 70 tourists in Egypt is partly
the result of widespread cultural support of xenophobic
conspiracy theories.

The contributors to Millennium, Messiahs, and Mayhem analyze
contemporary religious and secular apocalyptic movements from the
Mormons to Waco and Aum Shinrikyo, and explain the central
significance of prophecy in these movements. Prophecies are
useful because they enhance the charismatic authority and power
of the leader, bind the followers together, and make leaving the
group seem risky.

Paradoxically, even "failed prophecy" or "apparent prophetic
failure" can unify millenarian groups. David G. Bromley notes
that "apocalyptic intensity can be maintained through predictions
that are imminent but indeterminate, which then necessitates and
legitimates a constant state of readiness." No amount of
counter-evidence, testimony by scientific panels, or
contradictory hypotheses can shake these firmly held beliefs and
suspicions. In fact, as anthropologists of religion have
demonstrated, disconfirmed prophecy leads to intensified faith
and proselytizing, as believers seek "dissonance reduction"
through disclaimers, rationalizations, and self-congratulation
that their faith has saved them.

With regard to the alien invasion stories, anthropologists have
also analyzed the role of folklore, myth, and media in the
construction of narrative. In UFO Crash at Roswell, cultural
anthropologists Benson Saler and Charles A. Ziegler, along with
atmospheric physicist Charles B. Moore, trace the process by
which the belief that a manned flying saucer had landed in New
Mexico in 1947 became a contemporary "technomyth" expressing
"antigovernment sentiment."

The authors offer a useful vocabulary and terminology for
understanding the formation of myth, in a "process of
transfiguration that involved successive retellings in which some
of the historically recorded events were retained, some were
distorted or repressed, and entirely new elements were inserted."
They identify six versions of the Roswell legend from 1980 to
1996, evolving from the genre of "crashed-saucer story" to a myth
of the culture-hero (the ufologist) wresting knowledge from an
evil monster (the government). The Roswell myth has been
assembled from various fragments and sources: documented events,
distorted historical events, previous crashed-saucer stories,
beliefs about government deviousness by UFO believers in the UFO
community, and new cultural ideas.

Most important, the authors argue, when tales move from the oral
to the written tradition, the process by which narrators
rationalize internal contradictions and implausibilities
accelerates. When tales are written down or "personal legends"
are collected and edited, they increasingly conform to prevailing
narrative concepts, introduce elements of fantasy, intensify
relations of dominance and subjugation, play down the shocking
and unpleasant, transpose subplots, and rationalize
discrepancies.

All of these elements are present in David Jacobs's retelling of
the stories he heard in interviews with his patients, almost all
of whom are women. He emphasizes the alien chain of command, with
insectoids and reptoids at the top, Tall Grays in the middle,
female Tall Grays (there do not appear to be females among the
other groups, including shorter Grays) tending to the offspring,
and handsome Nordics getting free time for "IHA" -- independent
hybrid activity. Kathleen, Susan, Diane, Sarah, Cindy, Rozanne,
Carla, Allison, Claudia, Beverly, Paula, Donna, Emily, Deborah,
and Doris tell very similar stories, in part because Jacobs does
not include the stories that do not conform to his model. They
are stories of displaced sexual desire, romantic fantasy, and
reproductive ambivalence. Many of his clients have had
hysterectomies, and yet they tell of alien insemination and being
forced to conceive an alien child. Could it be that they are
mourning lost fertility, fearing lost sexuality? Although they
sometimes express distress at their rapes, and at feelings of
sexual arousal they wish to disown, the more unpleasant aspects
of imagining forced sex with an alien are played down, and the
emotional satisfactions played up. At worst, we hear that male
aliens are not circumcised. (Presumably, there are no Jewish
hybrids).

At best, many of the women fall in love with their
"personal-project hybrids," male aliens who have lifelong
relationships with them, choosing them for frequent sex and
fathering their hybrid children. The PPHs joke and even linger
"for a short time" after sex "before putting on their clothes and
going to another task." (They wear blue jeans.) But alas, like so
many other men in romantic fiction, these hybrid males have
several personal "projects," are not monogamous, and lie.
Donna's PPH says "that he wants to be with me more than he's
often able to." Uh-huh. But "even the romantic hybrids can
suddenly display anger and malice," just like the guys on
"Melrose Place." Sympathetically understood, The Threat is a sort
of apocalyptic version of The Rules, a sad statement of women's
unmet needs for love, sexual attention, and adventure.

How much of the current hysteria is generic to the millennium? In
Questioning the Millennium, Stephen Jay Gould dismisses much of
this theorizing as "speculative, boring, and basically silly" and
refuses "to speculate about the psychological source either for
the angst that always accompanies the endings of centuries (not
to mention millennia) or for the apocalyptic beliefs that have
pervaded human culture throughout recorded history, particularly
among the miserable and malcontented." Instead, his subjects are
"calendrics, astronomy, and history."

BUT GOULD does get into the debate over the previous turn of the
millennium in 1000 A.D. While historians used to believe that the
year 1000 saw a wave of terror sweep over Europe, this view has
been widely challenged ever since French "positivist historians
of the subsequent Third Republic, imbued with the rationalist
spirit of the late nineteenth century, adopted an opposite and
skeptical attitude that has dominated the profession to the
present day." Nonetheless, Gould is convinced that modern
chronology had circulated so extensively among all social classes
in Europe by the year 1000 that there is reason to cautiously
support the idea of "substantial millennial stirring."

His own book concludes with "a little story about an ordinary
person who has done something heroic in the domain of calendrics
and who loves the millennium with all his heart." Gould's hero is
Jesse, a young autistic man who is a savant day-date calculator
-- what some label "with the stunningly insensitive name idiot
savants -- that is, globally retarded people with a highly
precise, separable, and definable skill." Jesse's fascination
with naming the day of the week for any date in history is a
substitute for his inability to understand other kinds of
relationships, and Gould explains the mental process behind what
seems an uncanny phenomenon. But his last paragraph is
unexpectedly moving, as he incorporates Jesse's world-view into a
broader sense of how we all question the millennium: "May we all
make such excellent use of our special skills, whatever and how
limited they may be, as we pursue the most noble of all our
mental activities in trying to make sense of this wonderful world
and the small part we must play in the history of life." It's a
wish people like David Jacobs should heed.

Elaine Showalter, a professor of English at Princeton University,
is the author, most recently, of "Hystories: Hysterical Epidemics
and Modern Media."

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                 Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:03:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:53:15 -0500
Subject: Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites

>Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:25:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: To all webmasters of UFO related sites
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:11:51 -0500
>> From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
>> Subject: UFO UpDate: To all webmasters of UFO related sites
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>> It might be better to ask these questions of webmasters that have
>> non-UFO related sites. It sounds like you feel you may be getting
>> this traffic because of your subject matter. If sites on other
>> subjects get the same kind of traffic you can rest assured that,
>> yes you are being paranoid. <g>

>I operate a pretty modest site dealing mainly with pictures of
>spacecraft and suchlike. I skim through the logs before deleting
>them about once a  month and there are usually dozens of .gov
>related addresses..3 letter agencies included. I'm pretty sure
>its mainly just Joe employee bored at lunchtime investigating
>their personal interests.

Hi Kerry, All,

I just wanted to thank all the folks that responded to my request
(both privately and publicly) for information. I figured it was
commonplace, but I needed to check. I have many -good people- to
protect in terms of maintaining their privacy and anonymity.
So it wasn't an 'idle curiosity' on my part, it was info I
needed.

Just doing my gig man!

Thanx again all,

John Velez, Webmaster AIC/Intruders Foundation Online





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                       UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 1

From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:54:04 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:42:09 -0500
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 1


     UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 1
January 4, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

UFO SEEN HOVERING OVER
COLUMBUS, OHIO

     On Friday, December 12, 1997, D.F. was driving
north on Highway 71 in Columbus, the state capital
of Ohio when he spotted an unusual object hovering
in the sky off to the right of the highway.
     The UFO was hovering about one mile east of
Cooper Stadium, near the Scioto River and the
intersection of Broad Street and Brown Road.
     "Because I have an interest in the phenomenon of
UFOs, and also a long-standing hobby of astronomy,
I do try to pay attention to the sky whenever I am
outside," he reported.  "This is a conscious effort on my
part to increase my chances of seeing things of interest,
be they natural or unusual."
     At 1 a.m., just as he drove past the Interstate Highway
70 turnoff, he "saw the object at a distance of approximately
100 yards or so.  Its angle was perhaps 20 degrees up from
the horizon.  As I came nearer, its outline and size became
clearer...I would estimate it at approximately 30 to 40 feet
off the ground, and above a spot about 15 feet to my right.
As I passed it, its position angle was about 65 degrees
above the horizon."
     "I estimate seeing it for about seven seconds.  I
couldn't describe any color other than dark, except for
the color of the lights on it...The best way to describe the
thing would be a classic fish shape...it had what looked
like a fin at the closest end, was bulky toward the middle
and tapered some at the furthest end."
     "The lights seemed to be at the ends.  One was a
dull red, darker and dimmer than a streetlight, and the
other was a pale green.  The size of the lights appeared
at the time to be as large as traffic light bulbs, and it
was the lights which first attracted my attention up into
the sky."
     "The object wasn't moving but I was doing between
45 and 50 miles per hour.  I remember thinking about
getting off at the next exit and trying to get another look.
But there wasn't one right away and because I had to
get up early the next day for work, I decided to go on
home."
     D.F. said the condition of the sky was "light snow,
wind about 10 to 15 miles per hour, temperatures in
the high twenties (Fahrenheit)" at the time of the sighting.
     "I have driven by that spot several times at the same
time of night, and different times during the day, and I
haven't seen it, or anything like it, since."  (Email
Interview)

UFO FLAP IN TEXAS KICKS
OFF THE NEW YEAR

     Texas rang in the new year for UFOs with two
sightings in the eastern part of the Lone Star state.
     On Friday, January 2, 1998, at 6:15 a.m., Mike H.
of Arlington, Texas (population 261,721), a city 20
miles (32 kilometers) west of Dallas, "had just entered
our kitchen and glanced out our window when I noticed
the very bright, large white or yellow light appear.  It was
quite bright.  The object moved very quickly in a
northerly direction across my viewing area as seen from
my window.  It then made a zigzagging turn going down
and then dropped, reversing direction and losing altitude."
     Altering course again, the UFO "moved behind a
building where I lost sight of it.  My observation of the
bright light had lasted approximately three seconds."
    "I also noticed a white strobe light that blinked on the
object similar to an aircraft," Mike reported, adding that
he had seen many aircraft "from my window and I have
never seen one move as quickly as this one did.  I also
noticed that the light source remained at a constant
brightness even though it was turning."  (Email Interview)
     On Saturday, December 27, 1997, Linda N. was
driving on a highway west of Harlingen, Texas
(population 48,735), a city 477 miles (763 kilometers)
south of Dallas when she saw an unusual light in the sky.
     "This object was in my line of vision as I was going
over a highway overpass," she reported.  "It lasted about
three seconds and was traveling from north to south.
(i.e. towards the border with Mexico--J.T.)  It appeared as
a thin green streak across the sky and ended in a large
yellow/white ball of light that disappeared.  No residue
was seen in the sky."
     "I drive home from work well after nightfall.  I drive
an extended distance on flat Texas countryside, without
trees or other obstacles to block my vision.  I often times
look upward to see the beautiful stars and to watch for
unexplained objects."
     A longtime "meteor shower watcher," she added,
"I have never witnessed one like that.  It was just exciting."
     Two days later, on Monday, December 29, "while
again driving home from work, I saw another meteorite.
This one was traveling from the northeast to the southwest.
Lasted about seven seconds, but it was different from the
first one.  This one appeared to be like a regular meteorite...
white tail...but moving much slower than other meteorites
I've witnessed.  Then, halfway through my viewing, its
tail turned green...and then it exploded in a large blast...
and then more orange glowing pieces trailed behind it,
as though it were breaking apart.  It was great!"  (Many
thanks to Steve Wilson Sr. for this news story.)

MORE UFOs REPORTED IN
NORTH CAROLINA

     On Saturday night, December 20, and Sunday night,
December 21, 1997, witnesses in the small towns of
Marshall (population 809) and Mars Hill (population
1,611) in the Appalachian Mountains of North Carolina
sighted "a glowing object flying back and forth in
the night sky."
     The sightings were reported Monday, December 22,
1997 on radio station WKSF 99.9FM in Asheville, N.C.
(population 61,607).
     "Many people in (rural) Madison County witnessed
it," one man reported.  "At first they thought the object
had been a downed aircraft.  But no private planes
were reported missing."
     Marshall and Mars Hill are on Highway 213
about 22 miles (35 kilometers) north of Asheville and
270 miles (432 kilometers) west of Raleigh.  (Many
thanks to Steve Wilson Sr. and Tim Hagemeister of
NACOMM for this report.)

UFOs APPEAR OVER TWO
CANADIAN PROVINCES

     On Saturday, December 20, 1997, at 6:15 p.m.,
Sallie C. was outdoors at her home in Meadow Lake,
Saskatchewan (population 4,318) when she spotted
"three bright lights in the northeastern sky."
     "What caught my attention was that they were
larger and brighter than the stars and were moving
together in a diagonal direction," she reported.  "I
looked at them for perhaps four or five seconds
and then they disappeared."
     Meadow Lake is at the junction of provincial
Highways 4 and 55, about 184 miles (294 kilometers)
north of Saskatoon.  (Many thanks to Tim Hagemeister
of NACOMM for this report.)
     On Thursday, December 18, 1997, at 1:30 a.m.,
a loud booming sound reverberated down the
Illecilliwaet River valley east of Revelstoke, British
Columbia (population 7,729).  Immediately following
the boom, "the whole valley east of Revelstoke lit up
as if daylight," according to Alan M. Young, an
engineer with the Canadian Pacific Railroad.
     "A large ball of light was seen hovering above the
peak of Mount Sir Donald," Young reported.  "After
about ten seconds, the ball of light shot up into the
night sky and disappeared."
     Witnesses to this mysterious event in British
Columbia's Selkirk Mountains included two train
crews of the Canadian Pacific, plus "another CPR
crew deadheading in a taxi."
     Revelstoke is on Highway 1 just west of Canada's
Glacier National Park, approximately 345 miles
(552 kilometers) northeast of Vancouver.  (Many
thanks to Errol Bruce-Knapp for this report.)

DAYLIGHT DISKS HOLD SWAY
IN CENTRAL AMERICA

     Daylight disks dominated the skies over the small
Central American nations of Costa Rica and Belize
during Christmas week.
     On Thursday, December 18, 1997, Miguel Tirado
Alvarez spotted mysterious lights in the night sky
over San Jose, the capital of Costa Rica.  He
reported, "I saw various white points of light,
approximately eight, hovering above the capital city.
It (the UFO) was moving around a great deal.  It
was reported not to be an airplane."
     On Monday, December 22, 1997, tourist T.
Hickman was relaxing at his hotel on San Pedro
Island, off the coast of Belize.  At about 11 p.m.,
he reported, "My wife and I saw a UFO flying straight
above us, just slightly to the south of the Pleiades
star cluster."  The object "followed a very erratic
flight pattern and made many direction changes"
during its overflight.
     Also on December 22, eyewitnesses in Golfito,
Costa Rica, a port on the Golfo Dulce approximately
330 kilometers (198 miles) south of San Jose, near
the Panama border, spied several "daylight discs"
crossing the sky.  The saucers were also seen in
Puerto Jimenez, across the bay from Golfito.
     The same afternoon, in San Jose, two camera
crews from local TV stations "videotaped silver
'flying saucers' in the sky to the south of the city.
Before the eyes of hundreds of people, they made
zigzag maneuvers for several minutes.  Flight
controllers at (San Jose's) Juan Santamaria
International Airport counted approximately fifty
thousand (radar) traces of these movements."
     Costa Rican ufologist Carlos Vilchez noted
that this was "the first time that UFOs appeared
in daytime" in his country.  In December 1996,
a similar UFO flap engulfed Costa Rica.  He
warned of "an influx of OVNIs (Spanish acronym
for UFO) into the air space of the Central
American countries within the next two months."
     On Christmas Day, December 25, 1997, ten
silver saucers flew westward from the Cordillera
Central, passing over San Jose.  "They flew over
the city for several minutes and were filmed by
TV cameramen."  (Muchas gracias a Len Fedullo,
Tim Hagemeister y otros para esas historias)

STRANGE SUBTERRANEAN
HUM HEARD IN INDIANA

     On November 30, 1997, Wayne T. was asleep in
bed at his home in Floyds Knobs, Indiana
(population 600) when a weird hum suddenly jolted
him awake.
     The hum appeared to be coming from the
gound outside his home, he reported.  "The hum
was evident mostly at night, but it may have been
during the day also.  It had a very low pitch.  It was
of a very low frequency.  It was not a constant
sound.  It became more intense and then less
intense.  It was the same sound for just about ten
to fifteen seconds and then peaked and then
subsided."
     "My wife could barely hear the sound.
Sometimes not at all."
     Asked if he had suffered any physical effects
as a result of the hum, Wayne replied, "The only
physical effect it had was that it made me
irritable because it was so constant."
     He said he first heard the hum "from about
March 20 to about April 20" in 1997.  The cause
remains unexplained.
     Floyds Knobs is on Indiana Highway 150,
approximately 6 miles (10 kilometers) northwest
of Louisville, Kentucky.  (Email Interview)

CUICUILCO: MEXICO'S
MYSTERIOUS PYRAMID

     All experts agree that the Cuicuilco pyramid
is the oldest structure in the Anahuac Valley,
which houses modern Mexico City, and the very
first monumental construction in the Americas.
     Disagreements as to its antiquity and the
people who built it continue to this very day.
Official records state that the Cuicuilco structures
can be no older than 600 B.C., but revisionist
figures claim the structure was built between
8,000 to 10,000 years ago, thus making it almost
as old as the "Tepexpan Man," the earliest
prehistoric dweller found in Mesoamerica.
     Cuicuilco measures some 17 meters
(56 feet) in height and has a diameter of 115 meters
(380 feet).  A series of ramps provided access to
its uppermost tier, which housed a temple with a
statue of Huehueteotl, the "Old God of Fire," the
first deity worshipped on this continent.
     The mighty circular pyramid is surrounded by
smaller structures and rectangular buildings with
well-finished floors which must have been houses.
     The contented lives of the prosperous,
unwarlike Cuicuilcans came to an end when
(Mount) Ajusco, a 4,000-foot tall peak located on
the same mountain range as the Popocatateptel
volcano began to exhibit volcanic activity.  The
earthquakes which rocked Anahuac Valley caused
an enormous hole to open in the ground--a smaller
volcano called Xitle, which poured a torrent of lava
that destroyed nearby Copilco before engulfing
Cuicuilco itself.
     The inhabitants fled before the destruction,
and all that was left behind as an eighty square
mile (128 square kilometer) lava field known as
El Pedregal.  Debate also rages around the date of
Xitle's eruption, which geologists have placed as
far back as some seven thousand years ago,
while archaeologists squarely place it at between
500 and 200 A.D.
     The circular pyramid's base, twice the length
of a soccer field, has also yielded its share of
mysteries.  The Spanish physician Hernandez,
sent to Mexico by order of (King) Philip II, visited
Cuicuilco and wrote his sovereign about having
found the bones of large beasts (including the
toxodon and the titanothere, now extinct--J.T.)
along with those of "men" in excess of five
meters (17 feet) tall.  Natives expressed a belief
that Cuicuilco's engimatic structure had been
built by giants.
     Whatever the case, serious archaeological
work was not undertaken until 1922 when a team
led by Dr. Byron Cummings of the University of
Arizona began digging what could well be the
oldest pyramid on earth.  The site was apparently
visited one night by an unidentified flying light
which hovered over the ruins before speeding off
into the distance.  (Direct reprint from the
article "Mexico: Forgotten Ruins and Ancient
Astronauts" by Scott Corrales, which appeared
in SAMIZDAT--The Newsletter of UFOs and the
Paranormal, Special Report: Mexico 1997)
(Editor's Comment:  According to my old geology
professor, El Pedregal is a typical a'a lava flow
of the late Pleistocene Period, meaning Xitle's
eruption probably took place around 8,000 B.C.
Interestingly, one corner of the Cuicuilco pyramid
is buried in Pedregal lava, which presumably
means its construction predated the eruption.)

from the UFO Files...

1948: THE MANTELL CASE

     January 7 marks the 50th Anniversary of Captain
Thomas F. Mantell Jr.'s fatal encounter with a UFO
over southern Kentucky.  Here is the actual 1948
newspaper account of the incident, which appeared
in the January 8, 1948 issue of a local weekly
newspaper, the Franklin, Ky. Favorite.

PLANE EXPLODES IN MID-AIR, CRASHES
KILLING PILOT ON JOE PHILLIPS FARM

     A P-51 Army fighter plane exploded in mid-air
and crashed on the farm of Joe Phillips about 5
miles south of Franklin yesterday (i.e. January 7,
1948--J.T.) afternoon about 3:30 p.m., killing the
pilot wearing identification tag of Thomas F. Mantell
(Jr.), 3533 River Park Drive, Louisville.  The wrecked
plane bore the (tail) No. Ky. NG 869.
     Mrs. Joe Phillips said she was sitting by her
fire when she heard the plane, with the engine
apparently in trouble, flying near her house.  Almost
immediately there was a large explosion.  Startled,
she glanced out the window and saw the disintegrating
plane hit the ground in a woodlot about 200 yards
away from the house.
     Pieces of wreckage were seen a quarter of a mile
from the point of the crash.  Several people in
Franklin reported they heard the explosion.
     A vapor trail still floated in the sky an hour after
the crash.
     Another eyewitness, Barbara Mayes, a student
in the Franklin Grade School said she saw the plane
explode while high in mid-air.  She was waiting at
the Lake Springs School for her bus to take her home
when she witnessed the explosion.
     The plane crash marked the second in the past
few months.  The point of the explosion was perhaps
three miles as the crow flies from the spot of the
crash which took the lives of Ed Snow and Richard
M. Thomason on April 29, 1947.
     Mrs. Joe Phillips said she called the telephone
operator and asked that an ambulance and aid be
called to the scene.
     The remains of the dead flyer were removed
from the scene by ambulance and carried to the
Booker Funeral Home to await instructions from
the next of kin, who were to be notified of the
tragedy by Fort Knox officials.
     A veteran of World War II, Captain Mantell
participated in the (June 6, 1944) Normandy
invasion, winning the Distinguished Flying Cross
among other decorations.  He was discharged
from the Army a year ago (1946).  His wife and
two children survive.
     He left Louisville yesterday morning for
Atlanta and was enroute to Louisville on the
return portion of the training flight when the
accident occurred.  Authorities at Fort Knox
reported he left Atlanta at 2 p.m. yesterday.
     Reed Shoulders, assistant chief of police,
said Bill Horn, local constable, was standing
guard last night over the wreckage, pending
arrival of proper authorities to assume custody
of the wrecked plane.
     The plane was operated by the Kentucky
National Guard.  (Many thanks to local
researcher Lee Trail and Lou Farish of UFO
Newsclipping Service for making this article
available to UFO ROUNDUP.)

(Editor's Comment:  Well, it's been fifty years since
Tommy Mantell's run-in with that giant saucer, and
a lot has come out.  But the key documents--the
January 7 situation reports by Colonel Guy F. Hix
and other staff officers at Godman Field, plus the
transcripts of radio traffic between Colonel Hix and
the Air Defense Command at Mitchell Field, Long
Island, New York--remain classified.  If this was
merely a "training flight" and an "accident," why
are these documents still secret fifty years later?)

FUN UFO WEBSITES:
     Saucer Shorts, a weekly UFO newsletter by Loy
Lawhon, comes out every Sunday.  If you'd like to
subscribe, visit this site: http://www.springfieldmo.
miningco.com/library/weekly/aa121497.htm
     For a look at UFOs in Russia, drop in at Alexei
Kafidov's website, also known as The X-Laboratory
of Doctor Bit, at http://www.drbit.com.ru/x-lab
     UFO and crop circle reports in the Netherlands
can be found at Herman de Tollenare's website at
http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/graancir.htm
     What better way to start 1998 than a visit to
our parent site, UFOINFO?  Check out the fine
features, photos, artwork and news made available
by John Hayes at http://www.digiserve.com/ufoinfo/
     For a look at the estimated 500 pages (yipes!)
of UFO sightings that took place during 1997, visit
our website and download back issues from
Volume 2 of UFO ROUNDUP.  We're at this URL:
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     And so we begin Volume 3.  New year, same
editor, and more of the comprehensive coverage
you the reader have come to expect from "the
paper that goes home--UFO ROUNDUP."  See
you next weekend!

UFO ROUNDUP: Copyright 1998 by Masinaigan
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                                Betty Crocker

From: SKvs <bradford@globalserve.net> [Sue Kovios]
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:20:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:11:46 -0500
Subject: Betty Crocker

To List,

After checking out http:\www.erols.com\sardonica\FRSTHREE\
and reading the article on Betty Crocker's Flying Saucer, I
thought I would do a search on Betty Crocker through my search
engine, Dogpile.  (This searches many different search engines at
once.) How ironic that UFO Mind was #2 at this search engine.
There is a Betty and a Crocker but not positioned here to warrant
it #2.

Just another one for the mind, hmmmmmm.

Search engine: Go2.com found 13 documents.
The query string sent was "Betty+Crocker"

Displaying document(s)...

1.Welcome to Betty Crocker
http://www.bettycrocker.com/
...Welcome to Betty Crocker Betty helps you plan dinner for the
week. Finally! A hassle-free shopping list! You choose the
ingredient...
Last crawled on: Fri Nov 28 13:53:23 1997, has tables, has
frequent links, has many images

2.Full List of People & Organizations
http://www.ufomind.com/people/full/
...Gerald - Claimed Roswell witness, supported by Stanton
Friedman
Anderson, Gillian - Reported alias of Dana Scully
Andreasson, Betty - Abductee investigated by Raymond Fowler
Andrews, Colin - Prominent crop circle researcher
Andrews, John - Designer of ......
President; had UFO sighting; confirmed military
use of psychics Casau
...Last crawled on: Fri Nov 28 18:54:01 1997, has tables

3.Recipes, find a recipe for your next meal and special holiday
recipes http://www.4recipes.com/
...Sauce Soup Tyson Chicken Dinner & Dessert Pies Italian
Mama Campbells' Creative Kitchen Norbest Turkey Recipes
Of America Betty Crocker California Cuisine Communications
Snacks Rice Krispies Specialty Breads Land O' Lakes Rock
Candy Hershey The Wonderful ......Frozen Delights Cheesecake
Heaven Smoothie Central Godiva Chocola...Last crawled on: Fri
Nov 28 22:16:50 1997, has tables, has frequent links, has
many images

4.Welcome to Betty Crocker
http://www.tuna-helper.com/ ..................

Has anyone ever noticed the shape of the spoon?  It reminds me of
the apparent spaceship shown in the 14th Century Serbian fresco.
And if you turn the spoon so the handle is down, it's shaped like
an alien.  Yeah, I've been watching too much tv or visiting too
many websites.  It's gotten to me too.

Sue Kovios

"Truth is a shining goddess, always veiled, always distant, never
wholly approachable, but worthy of all the devotion of which the
human spirit is capable." -Bertrand Russell
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                 [CANUFO] UFO Military Report From BC - 1975

From: boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:43:02 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:50:00 -0500
Subject: [CANUFO] UFO Military Report From BC - 1975

Here's one I thought the list might enjoy.........

UFO Witness Statement
by Capt.[ret'd] R. E. Meyer, UE, CD Chief Investigations Officer,
Pacific Detachment, Special Investigations Unit, Esquimalt, FMO,
B.C., Canada
1974-1976

In 1975,I was contacted at my office by a Chief Petty Officer
Boomer of the Navy's gunnery school concerning an on-going UFO
Sighting by course personnel.

I proceeded to the Gunnery School where the large telescope was
focused on the UFO in question. The UFO was cylindrical, pewter
coloured with very little, if any, light being reflected from its
surface and apparently stationary for varying periods of time.
There appeared to be on very close examination, satellite objects
of a much smaller variety, which appeared in close proximity to
the principle UFO but which were not constantly in view, either
because they were mobile or possibly because after prolonged
study of the phenomenon, one's eyes tended to betray one.

When the UFO would disappear, it was with a rapid horizontal
movement to port, so rapid that it was not possible to track it
with the telescope in use. The UFO bearing was taken (it appeared
to hang on the horizon in a southerly direction the vicinity of
Tacoma, Washington). From the location of our observation point
(high on a mound) the UFO was over open water of the Straights of
Juan de Fuca.

Upon questioning CPO Boomer, I learned that this sighting was a
reoccurrence of a previous identical one. In one instance, the
gunnery students were working with jet fighters from CFB Comox
and a request was made that they investigate but this was out of
the question as the object appeared to be of such a distance that
it would have been in US air space. I later learned that pilots
of Canadian Forces aircraft were forbidden by SOP orders to
engage UFOs. At no time, to my knowledge, did this particular UFO
appear on the radar of the naval establishment at Esquimalt but
this may be because of lack of cooperation by those in charge of
that facility (the operations officer refused to believe me when
I requested his assistance even to the point of not entering the
incident in the daily log).

Believing that this episode had reached its conclusion, I
returned to my office in HM Dockyard only to be called again on
the same day with the message that the UFO had "returned" and had
been found by one of the students in the course of tracking a
target on the telescope. In short, the UFO was around for the
next couple of days and I had various members of my staff observe
it along with my wife. An experiment was carried out to see if
reflections were being caused from cars in a parking lot in the
vicinity of our observation mound as the bright sun did hit some
windshields giving off a dazzling light. There was no connection.


The Dominion Observatory in Saanich (near Victoria) was contacted
and asked to set their giant telescope on the bearings we had
noted. Unfortunately, their telescope could not depress at such a
low angle. I might add that it was with great reluctance and
skepticism that a representative was sent to see our UFO. He
arrived, he saw and he left - without comment.

A further test to ensure that there was not a cracked prism or a
chip in the glass was done in which the chip might look like an
object but this proved negative. The lenses were unblemished.

I had been in touch with my headquarters in Ottawa over the
incident and eventually, abiding by instructions contained in
Canadian Forces Orders (CFOs) on the procedure to follow in the
sighting of UFOs, a message was sent to the National Research
Council (NRC) in Ottawa giving all sighting data, times,
bearings, dates, descriptions, etc.

On my own initiative I spoke with the departments of some of the
various police forces of the Lower mainland and the Victoria
area. There was a police sergeant of the Saanich Police who had
an experience to relate witnessed by him and his wife but this
had nothing to do with my own.

UFO sightings were reported over Washington by radio stations in
that state during the same time-period. I later learned from
radar personnel at CFB North Bay, the UFOs had been tracked on
several occasions by CF radar at the base in the past.

I have in my possession, a copy of my message to the NRC, along
with the signed statements and sketches made by gunnery students
and instructors concerning the Esquimalt sightings. These are in
storage in California.









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                  Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:59:44 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?


>  Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:07:49 -0500
>  To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":;
>  From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
>  Subject: Dr Jacobs, the Skeptibunker!?

>  I am going to quote a short section titled 'Unaware Abductees'
>  from Dr David M. Jacobs' new book, 'The Threat --- The Secret
>  Agenda: What the Aliens Really Want and How They Plan to Get It'
>  [pages 120-121]. Then I'll ask a rhetorical question that
>  expresses my concerns.


I skimmed Dr. Jacobs new book, having a copy of his earlier and
EXCELLENT volume of history UFO controversery in America in my
library.

Essentially from what I looked at he is telling stories from
abductee's who describe sexual escapades on a UFO with grays and
also allegedly involving other humans.  Some of the abductees
describe masturbating male abductees, blah, blah. However X-files
fans will be reminded of the last 5 years story line of the hit
tv series....abductions, DNA, alien/human hybrid etc etc.

These alleged accounts kind of reminded me of some of the sex/hot
tub/adbductee storys that seem to be floating around the
internet.

My first impression is that this book will probably be excerpted
by some porno mag soon.  :)


Cheers,
Robert







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             PROJECT-1947: 1998 - The Reverse Manhattan Project

From: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET> [Francis Ridge]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:08:57 -0600
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 05:35:25 -0500
Subject: PROJECT-1947: 1998 - The Reverse Manhattan Project

1998 - THE REVERSE MANHATTAN PROJECT -
A NEW COURSE

When the United States was constructing the A-Bomb, large groups
of people all over the country were working on some part of the
top secret project, each knowing it was important, but none of
them knowing what the overall picture was. What we have today
with the UFO subject is strikingly similar. Each group, each
individual, is working on the "project," and everybody has
opinions. However, far too many of them have no direct contact
with any witnesses or actual investigations. One of the reasons
for this is the "phenomenon" itself - it's not cooperating. After
the massive wave of 1973, it seemingly went covert.

In the 1960s, when I was a NICAP Subcommittee Chairman, our team
journeyed to wherever we needed to and investigated some of the
best UFO cases on record. The phenomenon was well over a decade
old by then, as measured by the influx of sightings since 1947 -
the year generally acknowledged as the beginning of the modern
day UFO era. That was the year that Kenneth Arnold, a private
pilot, witnessed a string of disc-shaped objects flying over
Mount Ranier in Washington State and described them as "saucer
shaped" giving rise to that popular term.

In less than four months the Air Force decided that that "the
reported phenomenon were real."  In 1956, NICAP also concluded
that there were solid objects coming into our atmosphere at very
high speeds. The way the UFOs changed position while in formation
indicated that there motion was directed. There was intelligence
behind this phenomena. Indeed, every military base in the world
was "visited" in the beginning stages. At that time no one
involved ever asked, "do these things exist?" We knew they did.
The military knew it, too. True, they never did admit it in an
official capacity, but to say they weren't aware of the situation
is ludicrous.

Which brings us to the present. Many of the bright lights in
Ufology today will no longer waste their time debating the
reality of the phenomenon or niggling over trivia. This includes
Richard Hall, Don Berliner, Robert Swiatek, Mark Rodeghier, Dr.
Richard Haines, Stanton Friedman, Ray Fowler, Budd Hopkins, David
Jacobs, Kevin Randle and many others. Although they'd be the
first to acknowledge that there's more we DON'T know than DO
about the subject, and proof is hard to come by, they're united
in the awareness that the earth is being visited. No one knows
where "they" come from, but the craft they get around in are just
as real as the "U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt" which the objects
have also been fond of surveying. Some of these "visitors" are
also abducting humans with little or no concern apparently for
their subjects' fear and discomfort. Deny it if you wish, but it
is happening.

During the last big sighting wave in 1973, we had thousands of
sightings, including many well documented close encounters and
objects tracked by radar. Even MADAR, the UFO tracking system
that we'd installed here at the UFO Filter Center picked up an
anomaly during the peak of the activity. I don't know what's
happened since then, except to say that the number and quality of
good sightings is way down. This has led to a number of  people,
who should know better, to make negative statements about the
state of things UFOlogical that are more in tune with what a
uninformed scientist might say to dismiss the whole idea. It may
look and sound good when in fact it indicates a fundamental lack
of knowledge regarding the history of the phenomenon and the
evidence already available.

In 1998, Current-Encounters will deal with that evidence=85not the
lack of it. The foremost Ufologists around the world know the
truth, even if the proof is still elusive. Therefore, it's time
to advance our theories and see if the evidence supports them. If
an individual or group wants to start up a different list for the
terminally skeptical, then that would be appropriate, too. But
the time has come to treat the entire subject as it once was
treated by NICAP, MUFON, CUFOS, and even the military and
intelligence communities. The latter didn't get out of the UFO
business because of the lack of evidence. If anything, it's been
due to the phenomenon itself ratcheting down its activities.

Unfortunately, many of those making the loudest noise over the
last year are those with little or no investigative experience.
The armchair Ufologist has been clouding the issue for the last
decade. Hence, my dilemma: As my life becomes increasingly more
complicated and I go back to work with Mid-Tech, and with the
Lunascan Project going full-bore in 1998, any involvement I have
with the UFO phenomenon will have to be a serious one or
non-existent. Be advised: No matter what anyone thinks about all
this, "they" don't care. And we probably can't do anything about
it, anyway. Oh sure, Hollywood could figure something out;
perhaps if we needed to we could send Will Smith up in Bob
Lazar's Sport's Model to "kick some alien butt." In truth,
however, we are just as vulnerable as the natives who saw the
bombers flying over their communities during World War II - we're
either sitting pretty or sitting ducks, and I, for one, want to
know which. At the very least we may not be the reason for their
visitations, but just "in the way".

I'm still optimistic. Mankind will undoubtedly be around for many
more centuries, unless we destroy ourselves first - a likelihood
that appears to be on the decrease. But you can rest assured that
at some point history WILL record the evidence of "alien"
intervention in our lives.

You'll find it in History 101, right along with those amusing
little anecdotes about how many of our colleagues refused to open
their eyes and took that ignorance to their graves.

Stay tuned to Current-Encounters. And if you don't have a copy of
NICAP's "UFO Evidence", get one. It will be a big step forward
and the best $8 investment you've ever made.

Francis Ridge
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              Historical drawing and painting evidence for UFO

From: OregonOtto <OregonOtto@AOL.COM> [Jim Doerter]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:52:29 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 06:23:06 -0500
Subject: Historical drawing and painting evidence for UFO

I have had experience in various areas the study of art and
childrens' drawings as well as  various cultural histories and
their art forms. Here are things that make me uncomfortable.

Americans and Europeans have their own concept of so called
"realism" in art. That traditions springs from Greek idealism
(sculpture) , later periods of Roman realism and the attendant
traditions of Renaissance art which borrowed and was based
heavily on both earlier Greco/Roman traditions. (Of course it is
considerably more complex than this)

What most childrens' art and many various non -western cultures
have in mind using  are SYMBOLIC shapes and colors that definite
ideational content. Their drawings and painting usually represent
IDEAS and concepts and are read  for their traditional meanings
and contexts not necessarily for their VISUAL reference.

Children up to the age of 4-8-or so are famous for this world
wide. It is most obvious to "us" at that age in our culture but
that idea pervades adult art in many areas of the world.

It is people like Von Daniken (and others) who pick certain
images helter /skelter out of  books and start describing
helmets- back packs, weapons etc. This caused by the frequencey
of abstract and semi-abstract symbols that  are often used in
art. It is all complicated by any particular cultural coding for
such symbols , much of which we no longer understand. They are
often seeing something that is only in their mind and eye.

There is always a certain amount of visual reference in
figurative symbols but for many individuals of the past - they
were SYMBOLS  standing for persons, places and things and had not
as much visual reference as you might think.

Also - some symbols are dictated by the hardness of the materials
to mark and carve etc. A symbol of a man painted with berry juice
will be different frm one cut into granite and the simpliicity
and complexity of the image sometimes relates to factors of tools
and surface,

Perfect examples is  to study the pictographs, ideographs and the
evolutions into perfectly abstract consonant and vowels symbols
of the alphabet. Many groups never went as far as phonograms. In
some of the written languages you can actually see an evolution
in certain symbols from very simple picto/ideograms right into
phonograms.

Anyway, go slowly about any references to 'visual evidence' of
UFOs from drawings. Archeologists and art historians and experts
on chldrens' art have a pretty good handle on early symbols.....
but they are not around answering every theory of space symbols.

Jim Doerter








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                              Re: Betty Crocker

From: "Scott Carr"<Scott_Carr@MCKINSEY.COM>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:07:07 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:58:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Betty Crocker

>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:20:34 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: SKvs <bradford@globalserve.net> [Sue Kovios]
>Subject: Betty Crocker


>Has anyone ever noticed the shape of the spoon?  It reminds me of
>the apparent spaceship shown in the 14th Century Serbian fresco.
>And if you turn the spoon so the handle is down, it's shaped like
>an alien.

The Flying Saucer Gazette's investigation into the "Betty
Crocker/Reynolds Wrap Conspiracy" continues. Can anyone guess
what year Reynolds introduced their "Tin Foil" product?

1947.

Hmm.

A complete update and analysis of this intriguing coincidence
will appear in the January issue of FSG. The URL for The Flying
Saucer Gazette issue containing the "Betty Crocker article" is:

http://www.erols.com/sardonica/FSRTHREE/

The Home page is:
http://www.erols.com/sardonica


-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica
sardonica@erols.com





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                          Air Force Capt. McAndrew

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:10:29 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:57:25 -0500
Subject: Air Force Capt. McAndrew

Those following the Roswell story should know the name of
Capt. James McAndrew who co-authored the official Air Force
whitewash.  We were told that McAndrew had retired following
publication of the crash dummies report.

I didn't realize that I still had McAndrew on my e-mail
address book.  When I sent out a Happy New Year's message
to my mailing list, one went out to him as well.

This morning I got this reply:

>Mr Shell,

>Capt Jim McAndrew is no longer at this address.  He is attending school
>at DIA located at Bolling Air Force Base.



This note was unsigned.  I find this posting to DIA school very
interesting in light of his announced retirement!!!!

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                    Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:54:09 PST
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:04:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0500
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> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

> From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:59:44 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?


> >  Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:07:49 -0500
> >  To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":;
> >  From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
> >  Subject: Dr Jacobs, the Skeptibunker!?

> I skimmed Dr. Jacobs new book, having a copy of his earlier and
> EXCELLENT volume of history UFO controversery [sic] in America
 in my  library.

> Essentially from what I looked at he is telling stories from
> abductee's who describe sexual escapades on a UFO with grays and
> also allegedly involving other humans.  Some of the abductees
> describe masturbating male abductees, blah, blah. However X-files
> fans will be reminded of the last 5 years story line of the hit
> tv series....abductions, DNA, alien/human hybrid etc etc.

Not exactly the most thoughtful commentary I've ever heard.

Jacobs was collecting these sorts of reports before X Files even
existed.  Moreover, X Files is (as I understand it; I'm not a
viewer) based on true-life abduction and other close-encounter
accounts. The commentary above reminds me of the argument
debunkers still use sometimes: that witnesses report gray-skinned
humanoids because of Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third
Kind, when in fact Spielberg was basing his aliens on what people
have reported.

> My first impression is that this book will probably be excerpted
> by some porno mag soon.  :)

Somehow I doubt it.  Erotic arousal is not exactly the sensation
most readers will experiences as they read Jacobs'
extraordinarily interesting book, which -- whatever one makes of
it -- deserves better than this sort of facile jokery.

Cheers,

Jerry Clark




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                               Russian Roswell

From: "Nikolay Subbotin" <norsa@mail.psu.ru>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:33:57 +0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: Russian Roswell

Nikolay Subbotin,
Emil Bachurin.

Russian Roswell.

On September 16, 1989 in the sky above a port the Zaostrovka, on
fringe of Perm, occured something strange. Many inhabitants, open
mouthes, watched unprecedented battle. Six strange silvery
devices reminding combined together plates, coursed behind
seventh more dark.

Even on a background of evening clouds it was possible to
distinguish that six plates were of dark grey colour and seventh
which turned as mad, leaving from under fire of the persecutors
had a bright - golden shade. The picture reminded the next series
Luckas "Star Wars ". The plates carrying out figures a maximum
pilotage were carried above a port carrying out inconceivable
evolutins that being reduced before shaving flight that sharply
rising a sky up to height of approximately kilometer. Sometimes
from six plates there were beams in the party seventh :

Is detailed this history has described one of tap man of a port.
In time of "battle" the electricity was switched off and to the
workers did not remain anything as with horror in heart to watch
this fantastic show. Later records of conversations were
transferred a Sichenko author of the article about "a combat of
plates above a Zaostrovka", appeared after some time in the
Semipalatinsk local newspaper. The Sichenko - former helicopter
man, was commanded by a squadron by our AF in Afghanistan, then
there was one of the founders of fund "Nevada-Semipalatinsk" now
lives in Stockholm.

Under the stories of eyewitnesses six plates had a rather complex
configuration: the wider like as a disc part hung above the
narrower basis like as a mushroom the form. If to compare the
descriptions from different points of supervision, the UFO -
about 20 meters in a diameter is possible to make conclusions
about the approximate sizes.

At the end golden plate was knock down and has gone on decrease
(reduction). The six of plates has left, by looking after falls
seventh.

Is completely casual on one of the members of Perm ufology club
"Anomalu" (Ury Nekrasov) send eyewitnesses observing battle on
the part of city (approximately in 10 kms from a port). They even
have managed to show him an azimuth and house for which
beginnings to fall a plate.

The place managed to be found fall. The UFO has fallen on
territory of military range in a bog. On this place we managed to
visit only in autumn of 1990. To come nearer to a place of fall
to nobody have permitted(solved), on experience knowing, than
come to an end similar of "approach"("approximation") (enough to
recollect the tragical ending of excavation a UFO under a
management(manual) a Deev) :

Nevertheless, on a place of fall the group of the militarians who
have arrived there through a pair of months worked. The area of
accident entirely consists of fens, on which it is possible to
pass only in a period a cold, therefore first expedition
(dispatch) should be postponed till November. By first there have
beaten three employees led by the chief of range. The information
that they there have found and as acted further to receive it was
not possible. Authentically is known only that as a result of
this "campaign" a two from them treatment in hospital with the
unintelligible diagnoses (Emil Bachurin personally saw these
medical cards). One of the diagnoses - burns on a body, and they
were already in winter regimentals. After that incident the
territory of fall was announced as danger for moving the people.
Nowadays military base does not work but is protected.
Unfortunately it was not possible to receive any given about
evacuation of object.

Later above a place of fall the UFO tried to fly by the pilot of
civil aircraft on An-2 therefore began to refuse devices (even
unmagnetic). It was necessary to refuse attempt. The ending of
this flight - chaste reprimand :

In this history us alert one fact. About what humanity on the
part of newcomers there can be a speech, if the military actions
in the manned worlds are admitted? And these cases are not
individual. The plates are literally strewed on us from the sky,
they something is constant repair and repair in the devices,
there is an impression, that their engineering is rather
unreliable. But it is possible to assume and return, in
near-Earth space the constant skirmishes between various
civilizations and as result - often accidents and breakages a UFO
are conducted. Even the NASA was possible to photorgaph from a
board of one of the space vehicles battle a UFO on an orbit of
the Earth (transfer "UFO DIARIES"). Can, in the near future we
unaideded shall see "STAR WARS", which will be developed
(unwrapped) in our Solar system :


___________________________________

MAILLIST RUFORS (C) 1997-98
RUSSIAN UFO RESEARCH STATION

  Nikolay Subbotin (norsa@mail.psu.ru),

  Director RUFORS (Russian UFO Research Station)
  [http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6303]
  Editor Russian UFO Magazine "Dialog: Earth - Space"
  [http://www.cross.ru/dialog]

  PO BOX 6303, Perm, Russia 614010
  Tel/fax 7-3422-450184









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                                  Re: CORSO

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:18:39 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:21:26 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:25:40 +0500

> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:38:22 +0000
> >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

> Dear Philip,

> Just a couple of questions arising from your reply to Rebecca...

> 1. [...]

> >If you think people are involved in conference organising to make
> >money then think again. I dare say a few might be but I do not
> >count myself as one of them.

> The fact that one makes no money with a book on ufology has
> already been discussed on the list.  Now, I learn one makes no
> money with conferences. How does one earn a living in ufology ?
> Please understand  "earning a living" and "making money" are the
> same.

I work for a living and therefore do not earn my living from
ufology. If my books earn me a few dollars then fine, but if they
don't, that's fine too. I find organising conferences very
satisfying and have done so for many years. However, if someone
would like to pay me to organise one that's ok by me, but if not,
then I still have my job to help feed the children and pay the
bills.

> 2. [...]

> >My aim of any conference is to allow people to put their
> >information across and then allow those in attendence to decide
> >whether or not it's bullshit.

> [...]

> >What we have to remember in this discipline we call ufology, is
> >that one mans evidence is another mans (or in your case womans)
> >bullshit. It is surely not up to me, or others like me, to act as
> >a censor when organising such conferences.

> Considering such an open-minded attitude, I fail to understand
> your verbal fencing with Rebecca. Please consider here that
> "fencing" is a sport of parry and riposte and open criticism.

It just seemed to me that Rebecca would have us refuse people the
right to speak in public just because she does not believe them
(Corso). It may just be a sport to some people but I just wanted
to get my point across.

> 3. [...]

> >Whether I agree with Corso or not remains to be seen, but as a
> >socialist I will defend his right to be heard and for those
> >listening to decide whether or not they believe him.

> I have trouble understanding that Corso's right to be heard needs
> to be defended.  I mean, he has already written a book hasn't he ?

Corso has indeed writeen a book but you cannoit put questions to
a book. If you have questions for Corso then one of the ways to
try and get an answer is to put them to him in an open forum such
as a conference. I have done this with many people from many
different parts of the world and hopefully I will continue to do
so.

All the best,

Philip.







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From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:22:23 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:30:57 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO

> From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:15:46 PST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

> > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:38:22 +0000
> > From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO


> > > From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:54:47 EST
> > > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > > Subject: Re: CORSO

> > > >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> > > >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:21:16 +0000
> > > >Fwd Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:23:07 -0500
> > > >Subject: CORSO

> > > > I'm in the process of setting up some speakers for a UFO
> > > > conference in the UK and we would like to invite Colonel Corso.

> > > I'm only going to rag on you Philip because you are handy: BUT
> > > WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

> > > Is this a conference to promote UFOLOGY as a field that is
> > > respectable and to eductate the public? Or is the conference to
> > > make money? Couldn't you (and other conference promoters) try to
> > > invite people to speak at conferences who just might shed some
> > > light on the phenomenon? Or is everyone just interested in
> > > spreading bullshit?

> > > Rebecca

> > Dear Rebecca,

> > If you think people are involved in conference organising to make
> > money then think again. I dare say a few might be but I do not
> > count myself as one of them.

> > My aim of any conference is to allow people to put their
> > information across and then allow those in attendence to decide
> > whether or not it's bullshit.

> > In the past I have organised many conferences with a wide variety
> > of people stepping up to the podium including Paul Devereux,
> > Jacques Vallee, John Keel, Budd Hopkins, Eddie Bullard, Dr
> > Richard Lawrence, Stanton Friedman, Cynthia Hind and many, many
> > more.

> > What we have to remember in this discipline we call ufology, is
> > that one mans evidence is another mans (or in your case womans)
> > bullshit. It is surely not up to me, or others like me, to act as
> > a censor when organising such conferences.

> > Whether I agree with Corso or not remains to be seen, but as a
> > socialist I will defend his right to be heard and for those
> > listening to decide whether or not they believe him.

> > Merry Christmas.

> > Philip.

> > PS.

> > Does this mean you can put me in contact with Colonel Corso or not ?


>  Philip,

> Exercising judgment is not the same thing as being a "censor."
> Surely you know that.  Col. Corso has no constitutional right to
> speak at your conference, any more than I do or whoever happens
> to be reading these words at this moment does.

> Grave questions have been raised about the credibility of Corso's
> account and about the sincerity of the authors of The Day After
> Roswell.  The book makes incredible claims and offers virtually
> nothing in the way of credible evidence for them.

> We ufologists (I'm confused about what your being a "socialist"
> has to do with this) have a responsibility to our public. One way
> we exercise that is to present accurate information and
> reasonable analysis to an audience which gets little of either
> from popular media treatments of the UFO phenomenon.  Except in a
> realm where intellectual anarchy rules, one person's opinion or
> claim is NOT as good as somebody else's.  In the real world of
> which ufology wants to be a part, claims have to be tested,
> opinions challenged and tested.  So far Corso has failed this
> reasonable standard miserably, and unless we are the gullible
> fools our critics would like the world to believe we are, we
> ought not to be encouraging him.

> Jerry Clark

Dear Jerry,

I agree entirely with you, but surely one way of putting people
to the test is to put them on a public platform, listen to what
they have to say, and then put ones concerns directly to them.
This is purely my intention when organising such conferences and
nothing else.

Philip.








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From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:29:03 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:34:08 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso


> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 17:32:18 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

> >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:45:48 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> >Subject: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

> >Dennis,

> >Having written a number of books and counting many well-known
> >authors in my circle of friends, I should point out that the
> >numbers announced in press releases are usually grossly inflated.
> >Creative bookkeeping always seems to apply in these matters,
> >and I have yet to talk to an author who claims to have actually
> >received the stated advance amounts.

> Bob:

> As far as I know, none of the instances of large advances that I
> mentioned appeared in press releases made by the publishers, but
> after the fact.

> >Even if the contract specifies $ XXXX for the advance, there
> >always seems to be a bunch of fine print at the end of the
> >contract allowing all sorts of things to be deducted from the
> >advance.

> I agree with you. But an advance is an advance. Either you get it
> in advance or you don't.

> >Then there is the little question of the publisher actually even
> >paying the advance.  I know quite a few authors whose contracts
> >specified pretty goodly amounts for the advance but never actually
> >saw a penny of it.

> Then you've got some fools for friends, it would appear. Maybe
> you ought to stir a few attorneys into the social stew. If it's
> in writing, why wouldn't any self-respecting writer sue if he
> didn't receive a promised, contracted-for advance? For that
> matter, why would he/she finish and deliver the product without
> the advance having been paid? Makes no sense to me. If you're an
> author, just say No. No advance, no book.

> >So I always take these claims of the amounts authors get/got with
> >several big grains of salt.

> >Bob

> So do I. But surely you're not suggesting that huge advances
> don't routinely get paid, that people (aka authors) don't
> regularly make big bucks off books and subsidiary rights, that
> mini-series and movie and paperback rights count for nought? You
> should check out Birnes's cv sometime, BTW. The man's a master.
> Trust me. The Day After Roswell did not go out the front door
> without big bucks coming in through the rear door or windows --
> or both.

> You don't think Birnes and Corso wrote their book and then went
> shopping for a publisher, do you? No way, Jose: its publication
> was too closely tied to Roswell's 50th anniversary. The marketing
> boys had that free tie-in well in mind when Pocket Books offered
> Birnes a contract. Then they both cobbled the book together
> because they got paid well to do so.

> You seem to think that authors can be had with a wave of the
> hand. My point is that publishers get had, too.

> Dennis

> PS: We've got a few authors on this list. Maybe they would like
> to weigh in with whether or not they got paid their promised
> advance? How about it Mantle, Devereux, Clark and Maccabee, and
> anyone else willing to chime in?

> You don't need to mention dollar amounts, BTW, just whether or
> not your publisher paid what they promised -- in advance. Mine
> did, and I'm working on another one with the same proviso: If
> your advance check doesn't clear my bank, then you don't get the
> book.

Count me in on this one. I've not been paid the advance for the
release of BEYOND ROSWELL in the UK, nor did myself and my
co-author get paid anything (advance or raoyaltis) for the UK
edition of Without Consent.

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From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:33:05 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:35:51 -0500
Subject: Re: The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso


> From: Rob Irving <RobIrving@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:39:23 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

> >  Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 04:05:57 +0000
> >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

> Philip,

> >  I hold Theresa and her work in very high regard as I know that
> >  she, like myself and Bob, are only tring to get to the bottom of
> >  things despite what you and others might belive.

> Do you ever ask why the bias and selectivity demonstrated by you,
> and especially your colleagues attracts so much criticism? Don't
> get me wrong, I love a good myth as much as the next guy,
> particularly the kind rooted in that netherworld between fact and
> fiction.

> Someone has noted in reviewing your book that its value as a
> record of all the lamest and unsubstantiated yarns that make up
> the Roswell story should not be underestimated. I agree. But
> let's not pretend that it represents any more than that, least of
> all, as your co-author, in his inimitable style, would have us
> believe: "THE TRUTH!!!"

> To get past the first bell with that elusive heavyweight your
> 'research' would at least have to acknowledge the few relevant
> facts that have been discovered so far, no matter how uneasily
> they may sit with the idea you're trying to promote.  You were
> offered this opportunity, and you chose to ignore it, I imagine
> for quite valid commercial reasons.

> But please, don't now try to kid us that you, Bob, and Michael
> are only trying to get to the bottom of things. The book is what
> it is and fits well with its ilk. But such unlikely claims are
> disingenuous, and deserve the treatment they get.

Rob

Fair enough Rob. You can believe what you want to believe, but I
know my own mind.

Philip.








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                                  Re: CORSO

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:38:14 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:37:27 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO


> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:39:25 -0500
> From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> The Duke of Mendoza presents his compliments & best wishes to one
> all for the approaching season of Mammonmas. The Duke is a trifle
> preoccupied but had trouble controlling his left eyebrow at this:

> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:38:22 +0000
> >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

> >My aim of any conference is to allow people to put their
> >information across and then allow those in attendence to decide
> >whether or not it's bullshit.

> In that case the Duke would like to know why it is that his
> personal Grace, along with such as Messrs Rimmer, Rogerson,
> Roberts, French, Hutchinson, Irving, Ridpath & Madame Blackmore,
> to mention a few in the UK, or Messrs Kottmeyer, Klass, Russo,
> Shaeffer, Oberg, Van Utrecht, Stacy, Lagrange and many others of
> like mind from over the sea never seem to get invites to appear
> at your famously dispassionate and disinterested gatherings.

> Nothing to do with the heathen infidel unbelievers being too
> likely to upset the faithful, or even bad for the gate, I
> suppose. Perish the thought.

> Yours &c
> Prophylactic D. Masticator
> Marrowbone Vendor


Do some checking Duke, Dr Susan Blackmore was invited by me to a
conference I orgainsed in Bristol. Susan put on a first rate
presentation.  Van Utrecht has spoken at a BUFORA conference
although I was not the organiser. Other 'skeptical' presentations
have been made by Andy Roberts, Paul Devereux, Hilary Evans and
Mike Wootten to name but a few. I have no problem in inviting
such individuals, but one has to remember that usually I am given
a brief for a particular conference by its sponsors and I have to
remain within that brief.

All the best,

Philip Mantle.









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From: " Jerry Cohen" <rjcohen@li.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:57:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:50:42 -0500
Subject: Re: The Importance of UpDates

Hello Steve .. you wrote:

>From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
>Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 13:35:08 EST
>Fwd Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:10:38 -0500
>Subject: The Importance of UpDates - a Request

>To the Members of UpDates

>This mailing list is one of, if not the best, internet forums
>available.

JC:   I am sure many, if not most, of us here would agree.

....snip....

>I strongly encourage you to view this list, not as a matter of
>personal like and dislike, but as a major resource which has the
>potential to affect history.  Every researcher in the country
>should be subscribing.

JC:   Steve, if you have noticed the names of some of the people
presently posting to Updates', exactly what you are asking for is
occurring on its own. More researchers are coming on-line and by
their own discovery via word of mouth, email, etc., are finding
their way to this list due to the overall quality of discussions
and research published herein.

I believe the gradual accumulation and analysis of solid research
reduced to its essence, linked together and published, will be
one force which will eventually help humanity discover the truth
behind the UFO enigma. The combination of Email and web mediums
are ideally suited to this most challenging endeavor.

>This is not the time for people to be leaving. ....snip....

JC:   I think if you really look closely, you may find we haven't
left at all. Solid research takes time and effort. Proper
responses to points brought up by various researchers take time
and effort to compose. Those apparently "quiet" times find some
of us checking our research against that which the other person
presents, then sitting and composing our replies where necessary.
Additionally, some are performing their research "in the field"
so to speak and return to participate when they have free time.
We've also neglected to mention that holiday time is a time for
families... and research, etc. comes to a halt for many of us
during these most important times.

Just remember, it is not the quantity but the quality that
counts. Have no fear, if anything, the quality of this list is
growing, not diminishing. The combination of Errol's mail list
and Glenn Campbell's database website is a tool of no small
proportions if used wisely.

Respectfully,
Jerry Cohen

 Author: Oberg/Cooper rebuttals
         Robinson/Exeter rebuttal
Website: http://www.li.net/~rjcohen
UFOmind: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/people/c/cohen/


P.S.    Happy New Year everyone.

[Actually, the number of 'subscribes' has increased over
 the past three weeks, almost triple the monthly rate.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
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Subject: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97




Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
be more full information forthcoming.

Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
Richard C. Hoagland
Stephen Greer, MD
Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut


Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
know viz his statement in Ireland. The _real_ and secret
government relates among other things, to off-planet-type
scenarios. The elected government deals with mundane day to day
issues. He feels the elected government is basically honest but
is being manipulated. But the public has spent recent times
wising-up.

Webster Hubble's (Janet Reno's assistant Attorney General) new
book reveals that he was asked to check out JFK and UFOs by the
newly-elected President. Vince Foster's office was cleaned out of
documents after his death and questions about UFOs faded.
Clinton's political capital ran out as he was hit with everything
but the kitchen sink since.

Based on 15 years Mars/Moon work Hoagland has discovered a secret
clique with little or no allegiance to the constitution. In
Little Rock he gave a briefing over two nights. The first night
went well, the second night was headed-off and attendees were
told that he had left for texas

"What puts it in context is the death of Vincent Foster.", said
Hoagland.

A state of the union address is coming up. Hubble's book affirms
the interest of the President in UFOs. What will help the
revelation process are faxes and e-mail to the White House
encouraging the President to 'go for it'. And asking for
investigation of the machinations of the 'secret' government.

There has been extraordinary 'disposal' by The United States
Archives and Navy of documents from their archives.

Stephen Greer & Contacts that have not been talked about
previously.

In 1993 CSETI's Starlight Initiative was launched to expose the
covert cover up of UFO information.

In April, 1997, Greer met, for 3 hours, with Jim Wolsley,
Director of the CIA, who had not been able to find UFO
information via his 'channels'. He took the Presidents enquiries
"very seriously". There has been a lack of proper procedures for
release of information. Wolsely seemed to be using a euphemism
for being lied to. It was a grave, serious meeting. The Director
had seen a UFO in the past. He knew that something was very wrong
with not being able, as the CIA's Director, to get any
information on UFOs. The Director held his head in his hands,
uttering "Oh my God" as the implications of UFOs were brought
home to him.

Greer handed Wolsely a strategic outline that the Executive
Branch and the CIA should take. The CIA were told, as was
Congressman Steven Shift that the documents "weren't there". Just
as Webster Hubble was told by NORAD that there were no documents.
Laurence Rockefeller asked Greer to provide him with a 'best
evidence' package to be given to Clinton at his summer vacation
retreat in 1995.

The Presidents 'people' told Greer that they cannot hold hearings
without full information. They are either being left out of the
information-loop or they 'know'.

When the Naval Research Laboratories destroyed documents it
raised the spectre of plausible deniability - destroyed evidence
cannot be used against anyone.

If the President's chief people in the Executive Branch cannot
obtain adequate information on the subject, there must be an open
Congressional Hearing at which over a hundred witnesses can give
evidence on UFOs.

Greer quoted Eisenhower's last address to the nation, the
admonition to beware of the power of the military/industrial
complex. The disappearance of information that should have been
available to the US Constitutional Government.

There are now over a hundred "Top Secret" witnesses to UFOs who
are coming forward.

The timing for this is because 15 key committees who need to
investigate

Bruce Lindsay, a close associate of the President & Al Gore were
also briefed by Greer.

Clinton's 'Legacy', in 2000, could be full-disclosure.

"We have tracked and shot at 'craft' in space, endangering
national and world security"


See the letter to the President and US Congress.

Visit Bell's site and follow links.






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               Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related

From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:22:56 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:22:56 -0500
Subject: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related

To the President and Congress of the United States
on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

The individuals identified below call your attention to the
following: after 50 years the policy of government secrecy and
misrepresentation regarding the presence of extraterrestrial life
forms in our world is collapsing. This collapse is occurring due
to the following factors:


1. the expanding mass of evidence for the validity of the
extraterrestrial hypothesis being accumulated by thousands of
researchers and research organizations throughout the world. This
evidence takes the form of extensive personal testimony,
thousands of legitimate photographs, hundreds of hours of
videotape, thousands of archived pilot reports, taped radar
events, scientific analysis of physical traces, government
documents and historical research.

2. a stream of current and former government employees coming
forward publicly or privately with personal accounts of direct
experience with extraterrestrial related phenomena. This
developing witness pool has grown to between 100 and 200 men and
women, many of high rank and station, who are available to
testify within the formal context of a Congressional committee
hearing. Some have spoken publicly and will step forward
immediately. Others will come forward, but have requested waiver
of non-disclosure agreements, subpoena or both.

3. deepening public distrust due to the non-responsive posture by
the government of the United State towards the issue in general -
a posture which has taken the following forms:

 ->failure to formally repond to the published (1997, Pocket
Books) statements of Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso in The Day After
Roswell. Col. Corso is a retired, highly decorated, 21-year Army
officer. He served on Gen. MacArthur's Korean staff and President
Eisenhower's National Security Council, headed the Army's
Department of Research and Development Foreign Technology Desk
and served Senators James Eastland and Strom Thurmond regarding
matters of national security. Col. Corso divulged his involvement
in, among other things, the commercial transfer of technologies
derived from the crashed extraterrestrial craft near Roswell, New
Mexico and the government cover-up of this event since 1947.

->inadequate, poorly supported and illogical public reports made
by the U. S. Air Force attempting to account for accumulating
testimonies by witnesses and witness relatives regarding the
extraterrestrial nature of the 1947 Roswell, New Mexico event.

->failure to properly address anomalous events occurring within
the public airspace - a prime example being the occurance of
lights over Phoenix, Arizona on March 16, 1997 and the subsequent
and well documented responses of the military and political
office holders.

->refusal by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to
properly address anomalous artifacts present in Viking mission
photos 35A72 and 70A13, Lunar Orbiter 3 photo 84M, videos from
Shuttle missions STS 48, 80 and other evidence brought to the
NASA's attention by independent researchers after rigorous
analysis.

-> inadequate response to formal and informal inquiries by
elected and appointed officials. Examples include the treatment
of formal requests by Rep. Steven Schiff of New Mexico for
information about the 1947 Roswell, New Mexico crash event, the
treatment of formal requests by City Councilwoman Frances Barwood
for a thorough investigation of the Phoenix, Arizona sightings of
March 13, 1997 and the inadequate response to the informal
inquiries of former Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell
and others.

->inability or unwillingness to explain the destruction of
documents such as the 1947 records of phone communications in and
out of Roswell Army Air Base.

->invocation of the national security rationale in extremis in
refusing to address workman's compensation claims relating to the
"Area 51" research facility.

While a number of recent events have prompted this public
statement, one in particular is of grave concern. In a letter
dated 13 November, 1997, Rear Admiral Paul G. Gaffney, II, Chief
of Naval Research, notified John Carlin, Archivist of the United
States, that "The historical record of our nation's scientific
and technological heritage has suffered a serious and irreparable
loss." This letter went on to summarize the improper disposal of
4200 Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) notebooks and 600 cubic feet
of correspondence and technical memoranda dating from the 1930's
to the 1980's. These records covered a range of technological
research, and in the Admiral's words, "constitute the core of
NRL's corporate memory.." Subsequent inquiries by individuals
listed below determined two very disturbing points: 1) classified
material in the hands of government agencies and military
branches can be destroyed without being declassified and made
available for public review and 2) the disposal event occurs by
an act of omission, an agency's non-response to a standard
notification by the National Archives, and not an act of
commission, an agency notifiation to the National Archives to
proceed.

As the government posture of non-disclosure continues to collapse
we are very concerned a "scorched earth" policy may be conducted
by elements of some agencies. There is great risk that documents
of enormous historical importance relating to past events and
evidence of our initial responses to the extraterrestrial
presence in our world will be lost forever. This destruction of
records would take place purely as a matter of personal
convenience to some parties. It would be a tragedy and is not
acceptable.

Whatever the rationale in the past for the posture of
non-disclosure by agencies of the government, it is time for a
radical and public reassessment. The individuals below, who
represent the views of millions around the world, call for the
following:

1. convening of an open Congressional hearing in 1998 wherein
government, military, civilian contract and agency employees
(active and retired) are permitted to give testimony regarding
their personal knowledge of extraterrestrial related events and
evidence, this testimony to be given under immunity by waiver of
any applicable security oath or agreement of non-disclosure.

2. either by Presidential directive or act of Congress, a
moratorium be immediately placed on the destruction of any and
all records pertaining to all agencies of the government involved
in intelligence, research and development and space exploration,
all branches of the military and any other entities which might
logically hold historical documentation bearing upon evidence,
events and government actions in regard to extraterrestrial
related phenomena.

3. agencies of the government will stand down from acts of
intimidation of researchers or potential witnesses,
misinformation, disinformation and comply with legal document
requests.

We fully understand the seriousness of this issue as well as the
difficult position the government is now in regarding public
disclosure. To emphasize this point, we unanimously extend
support to the granting of full pardon by Presidential directive
or act of Congress to all government employees involved in any
extralegal actions piror to January 1, 1998 in service to the
government's posture on extraterrestrial phenomena.


Astronauts

Edward Thomas - Apollo
Merle Herbet - Apollo
Brian March - Apollo
Gordon Vadim - Mercury

Military - Active and Retired

John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.
John R. Doe Army Lt. Col.


Agency - Serving and Retired

George L. Cummings EPA
Wyland Moorage CIA
Beverly Stren Dept. of Defense
Joan F. Thompson NASA
Seymore Schwartz Naval Research Labs
Mark R. Teller National Archives
George L. Cummings EPA
Wyland Morgan CIA
Beverly Stren Dept. of Defense
Joan F. Thompson NASA
Seymore Schwartz Naval Research Labs
Mark R. Teller National Archives


Political Office Holders - Past and Present
Steven Sageeant House of Representatives
Gerald Buick President
Jimmy Connors President
Francis Barrington Councilwoman (AZ)
James Stewart U.S. Senate
Mary Wood Sec. of State (FL)


Academics and Researchers
Jefferie Robinson, Ph.D. M.I.T.
Larry Lohns, Ph.D. Rutgers University
Maria Swenson, Ph.D. U. of Maryland
Rebecca M. Jones, LLD Yale Law School
Robert S. Smith, Ph.D. U. of Tennessee
Rober Morgan,  Ph.D. U. of California

Distinguished Citizens
Mark Signer Author
William Fellows Author
Blair Martin Actress
Paul Kingman Author
Susan Merryman Political Activist
Bash Birrbaum Talk Show Host

If you have questions regarding this statement, or you are a
current or former employee of the U. S. Government and wish to
testify before Congress regarding your persoanl experience with
evidence pertaining to extraterrestrial related phenomena, you
may contact one of the following organizations for confidential
assistance:

Paradigm Research Group
4938 Hampden Lane,
#161
Bethesda, Maryland
20814
301-564-1820
Fax: 301-564-4066
ParadigmRG@aol.com

CSETI
P.O. Box 15401
Asheville, NC
28813
704-274-5671
Fax: 704-274-6766
www.cseti.org

Stargate International
Coalition for Honesty in Government
P.O. Box 85159, Tucson,
AZ 85754
520-882-9544
Fax: 520-882-4907
Stargate@rtd.com

Operation Right to Know
1322 Hamton Lane
Schaumberg, IL
60193
847-605-4167
Fax: 847-534-9508

Enterprise Mission
10131 Coors Rd, NW,
Suite 12-828
Albuquerque, NM 87114
505-771-0761
Fax: 505-771-0820

Citizens Against
UFO Secrecy
P.O. Box 176
Stoneham, MA
02180
860-675-6379
Fax: 860-675-8491


Petitions calling for open Congressional hearings may be
downloaded from the following websites:


http://www.rtd.com/~stargate

http://forums.msn.com/ufo

http://www.anagramvideo.com








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                     Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:55:54 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:32:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!

In a message dated 98-01-05 22:46:58 EST, you write:

>  From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
>  Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:54:09 PST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

>  > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0500
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  > Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

>  > From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
>  > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:59:44 EST
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?


>  > >  Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:07:49 -0500
>  > >  To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":;
>  > >  From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
>  > >  Subject: Dr Jacobs, the Skeptibunker!?

>  > I skimmed Dr. Jacobs new book, having a copy of his earlier and
>  > EXCELLENT volume of history UFO controversery [sic] in America
>   in my  library.

>  > Essentially from what I looked at he is telling stories from
>  > abductee's who describe sexual escapades on a UFO with grays and
>  > also allegedly involving other humans.  Some of the abductees
>  > describe masturbating male abductees, blah, blah. However X-files
>  > fans will be reminded of the last 5 years story line of the hit
>  > tv series....abductions, DNA, alien/human hybrid etc etc.

>  Not exactly the most thoughtful commentary I've ever heard.

I should have made it clear that abduction/DNA/Hybrid accounts do
in fact predate the X-files TV series.

Interestingly enough in an interview several years ago one of the
X-files writers mentioned that he had seen over the internet the
Cooper/Lear/Bennowitz accounts of Dulce/abductions/DNA/hybrids
etc.

Of a similar note was one of the writers of Independence Day
mentioned in an interview about how the current area 51
popularity not to mention the various area 51 stories played into
the writing of the movie.

While you and I would probably agree that these aren't of the
caliber of accounts like Jacobs has compiled, we do see how
script writers are influenced so to speak by what they see and
hear in the media and internet.

Cheers,
Robert










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                                  Re: CORSO

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:03:11 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:32:39 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO


>  Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:18:39 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

<brevity snip>

>  Corso has indeed writeen a book but you cannoit put questions to
>  a book. If you have questions for Corso then one of the ways to
>  try and get an answer is to put them to him in an open forum such
>  as a conference. I have done this with many people from many
>  different parts of the world and hopefully I will continue to do
>  so.

>  All the best,

>  Philip.

Last I read or heard from the many Corso interviews is that he
claims to have copies of his ARMY reports, hence how he was able
to put in precise and exact quotes in his books.

Perhaps when you ask him over, you could ask him to bring over
and show you and the others copies of *some* of these reports and
documents he used to produce his book.

The ones that were published with the book were a yawn at best.

Cheers,
Robert








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                                  Re: CORSO

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:37:57 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:31:36 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO

>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:22:23 +0000
>Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:30:57 -0500
>Subject: Re: CORSO

> I agree entirely with you, but surely one way of putting people
> to the test is to put them on a public platform, listen to what
> they have to say, and then put ones concerns directly to them.
> This is purely my intention when organising such conferences and
> nothing else.

Well, why don't you ask Lt. Col. Corso to bring over a copy of
Gen Trudeaus's autobiography and a couple of Lt Col. Corso's
personal diaries? No photocopies unless he can get them certified
beforehand. Surely, he would be willing to show this evidence.

Rebecca








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                                  Re: CORSO

From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:46:55 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:34:21 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO

>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:22:23 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

<Great snip -- and would that we all could!>

>Dear Jerry,

>I agree entirely with you, but surely one way of putting people
>to the test is to put them on a public platform, listen to what
>they have to say, and then put ones concerns directly to them.
>This is purely my intention when organising such conferences and
>nothing else.

>Philip.


OK, so you put your concerns to Corso in a public forum...so
what? Do you actually expect him, in response to a particularly
trenchant question, to whip an official document confirming his
claims out of his briefcase and then hand out copies to the
assembled media for further confirmation?

No, Corso will merely mumble what he has always mumbled and the
British tabloids (I assume the press will be invited) will eat it
up, emblazoning it across their front pages, and credible ufology
-- assuming such a creature still stalks the earth -- will have
suffered in the interval.

By way of comparison/example, how many UFO conferences has Robert
Dean been invited to since he first surfaced in the UFO
community? And at how many of those conferences has he
satisfactorily addressed anyone's concerns, assuming the latter
were present rather than, say, a desire simply to hear more and
more outrageous and totally unsubstantianted UFO claims and
stories?

The fact of the matter is that you can invite Dean to UFO
conferences from now until doomsday or the millennium --
whichever comes first -- and you will not learn one iota of
factual knowledge about the UFO phenomenon. The same is
self-evidently true of Corso.

Besides, if it's color and tall tales you want, why not settle
for Robert Morning Sky, a star "witness" for "Beyond Roswell"? He
could readily regale the audience with stories of seventeen
crashed saucers and Star Elders while nattily adorned in full
Native American regalia, the perfect tabloid photo opportunity if
ever there was one. I suspect he could address any and everyone's
concerns as well.

Dennis









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              Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:46:49 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:35:34 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:29:03 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso


<Great snip>

>Count me in on this one. I've not been paid the advance for the
>release of BEYOND ROSWELL in the UK, nor did myself and my
>co-author get paid anything (advance or raoyaltis) for the UK
>edition of Without Consent.

>Philip Mantle.


Philip:

Where was the English language edition of Beyond Roswell first
published, in the US? Did you get paid for that edition? If so,
who sold the rights for the English (UK) edition, you, your
agent, or the American publisher?

As for Without Consent, as I said before, if you don't get paid
the promised or contracted advance, don't deliver the book.

I've just signed a contract with Avon Books in this country for a
UFO title, half of the advance to be paid at the outset, half
upon completion and acceptance of the manuscript, which is
standard procedure. I can assure you, however, that if the first
payment is not made in timely fashion, there will be no final,
completed manuscript to deliver.

If this problem persists, I can only advise that you contact that
Falconer of Finance, His Highness, Peregrine, the Duke of
Mendoza, for the name of a reputable publisher.

Dennis









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                                  Re: CORSO

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:34:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:09:15 -0500
Subject: Re: CORSO

>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:18:39 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO
>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:25:40 +0500

>> >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:38:22 +0000
>> >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: CORSO

>> The fact that one makes no money with a book on ufology has
>> already been discussed on the list.  Now, I learn one makes no
>> money with conferences. How does one earn a living in ufology ?
>> Please understand  "earning a living" and "making money" are the
>> same.

>I work for a living and therefore do not earn my living from
>ufology. If my books earn me a few dollars then fine, but if they
>don't, that's fine too. I find organising conferences very
>satisfying and have done so for many years. However, if someone
>would like to pay me to organise one that's ok by me, but if not,
>then I still have my job to help feed the children and pay the
>bills.

I think that it is also inaccurate to make a global statement
that "no one" makes money from ufology, although I find that
nearly all of the researchers I have come in contact with are
either moonlighting as researchers and have "day jobs" or are
retired from an earlier career. Those who do try to make a living
in this field are certainly not getting rich, and anyone getting
a start in the job market today would have a number of better
career paths to follow with a much greater potential for
opportunity and fame.

>> 2. [...]

>> >My aim of any conference is to allow people to put their
>> >information across and then allow those in attendence to decide
>> >whether or not it's bullshit.

>> [...]

>> >What we have to remember in this discipline we call ufology, is
>> >that one mans evidence is another mans (or in your case womans)
>> >bullshit. It is surely not up to me, or others like me, to act as
>> >a censor when organising such conferences.

>> Considering such an open-minded attitude, I fail to understand
>> your verbal fencing with Rebecca. Please consider here that
>> "fencing" is a sport of parry and riposte and open criticism.

>It just seemed to me that Rebecca would have us refuse people the
>right to speak in public just because she does not believe them
>(Corso). It may just be a sport to some people but I just wanted
>to get my point across.

While I would certainly defend anyone's right to publish whatever
they want (well, okay. . . within reason), the issue that was
raised here is not simply information discrimination (or
suppression).  At what point does UFOlogy draw the line with
regard to the information that it is willing to promote as valid?
I don't disagree with the desire to involve Corso in a
conference to learn more of his claims, but such an invitation
has the impact of lending credence to his claims that may or may
not be deserved. This problem is very complex, and I'm not sure
there is an answer that will satisfy even half of those involved
in this genre, but it is one that needs to be addressed if we
ever hope to achieve greater respectability.

>> 3. [...]

>> >Whether I agree with Corso or not remains to be seen, but as a
>> >socialist I will defend his right to be heard and for those
>> >listening to decide whether or not they believe him.

>> I have trouble understanding that Corso's right to be heard needs
>> to be defended.  I mean, he has already written a book hasn't he ?

>Corso has indeed writeen a book but you cannoit put questions to
>a book. If you have questions for Corso then one of the ways to
>try and get an answer is to put them to him in an open forum such
>as a conference. I have done this with many people from many
>different parts of the world and hopefully I will continue to do
>so.

If you learn anything of interest, I trust you will post it here.
So far, those who have posed questions to Corso have failed to
come up with any information that has proved useful in providing
support for his claims.

Take care,

Steve









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                    Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:07:30 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:15:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?


> From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:54:09 PST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

> > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 05:22:16 -0500
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

> > From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
> > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:59:44 EST
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: Dr Jacobs, 'The Skepti-bunker'!?

> > >  Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:07:49 -0500
> > >  To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":;
> > >  From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
> > >  Subject: Dr Jacobs, the Skeptibunker!?

> > I skimmed Dr. Jacobs new book, having a copy of his earlier and
> > EXCELLENT volume of history UFO controversery [sic] in America
>  in my  library.

> > Essentially from what I looked at he is telling stories from
> > abductee's who describe sexual escapades on a UFO with grays and
> > also allegedly involving other humans.  Some of the abductees
> > describe masturbating male abductees, blah, blah. However X-files
> > fans will be reminded of the last 5 years story line of the hit
> > tv series....abductions, DNA, alien/human hybrid etc etc.

> Not exactly the most thoughtful commentary I've ever heard.

> Jacobs was collecting these sorts of reports before X Files even
> existed.  Moreover, X Files is (as I understand it; I'm not a
> viewer) based on true-life abduction and other close-encounter
> accounts. The commentary above reminds me of the argument
> debunkers still use sometimes: that witnesses report gray-skinned
> humanoids because of Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third
> Kind, when in fact Spielberg was basing his aliens on what people
> have reported.

> > My first impression is that this book will probably be excerpted
> > by some porno mag soon.  :)

> Somehow I doubt it.  Erotic arousal is not exactly the sensation
> most readers will experiences as they read Jacobs'
> extraordinarily interesting book, which -- whatever one makes of
> it -- deserves better than this sort of facile jokery.

> Cheers,

> Jerry Clark

It appears Mr.Polaniuk is unaware of David's earlier book about
UFO Abductions "A Secret Life"..long after his UFO Controversy
book.

Stan Friedman




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                       Re: Letter To US President ...

From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:49:54 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:17:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US President ...

Regarding the following post ...

> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:22:56 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
>   Phenomena

> From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html

> To the President and Congress of the United States
> on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

> Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

> The individuals identified below call your attention to the
> following: after 50 years the policy of government secrecy and
> misrepresentation regarding the presence of extraterrestrial life
> forms in our world is collapsing. ...

<big snip>

> While a number of recent events have prompted this public
> statement, one in particular is of grave concern. In a letter
> dated 13 November, 1997, Rear Admiral Paul G. Gaffney, II, Chief
> of Naval Research, notified John Carlin, Archivist of the United
> States, that "The historical record of our nation's scientific
> and technological heritage has suffered a serious and irreparable
> loss." This letter went on to summarize the improper disposal of
> 4200 Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) notebooks and 600 cubic feet
> of correspondence and technical memoranda dating from the 1930's
> to the 1980's. These records covered a range of technological
> research, and in the Admiral's words, "constitute the core of
> NRL's corporate memory.."

Sounds to me like the good Admiral and/or certain of his
subordinates should be court marshalled, for dereliction of duty
if nothing else. Maybe such proceedings would shed some light on
what's going on, as implicated parties come forward to "save
their ass" by testifying. Assuming that is, that the executive
and legislative branch are actually serious about getting to the
bottom of this bizness.

Just a random thought,

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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:23:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

Regarding the following two posts ...

Post 1 being ...

> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97

> Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
> I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
> be more full information forthcoming.

> Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
> Richard C. Hoagland
> Stephen Greer, MD
> Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut


> Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
> was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

> Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
> UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
> know viz his statement in Ireland. ...

and post 2 being ...

> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:22:56 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
>   Phenomena

> From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html

> To the President and Congress of the United States
> on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

> Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

> The individuals identified below call your attention to the
> following: after 50 years the policy of government secrecy and
> misrepresentation regarding the presence of extraterrestrial life
> forms in our world is collapsing. This collapse is occurring due
> to the following factors:

<big snip>

> ->invocation of the national security rationale in extremis in
> refusing to address workman's compensation claims relating to the
> "Area 51" research facility.

I would point out that, as I recall from old posts to this
group and/or others, it was president Clinton who signed the
executive order (which must be renewed annually) that exempts
Area 51 from EPA inspection or environmental monitoring.  My
recollection is that it was the gross violation of EPA rules at
Area 51 that led to the disabilities that are the subject of
the workman's comp claims referenced above.

Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
to protect the workers there who are being injured.

My 2 cents,

-Brian Cuthbertson








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              Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:31:27 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:41:21 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso


> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:46:49 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to
>   Corso

> >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:29:03 +0000
> >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The X-Factor' (issue 25) - Question to Corso

> <Great snip>

> >Count me in on this one. I've not been paid the advance for the
> >release of BEYOND ROSWELL in the UK, nor did myself and my
> >co-author get paid anything (advance or raoyaltis) for the UK
> >edition of Without Consent.

> >Philip Mantle.

> Philip:

> Where was the English language edition of Beyond Roswell first
> published, in the US? Did you get paid for that edition? If so,
> who sold the rights for the English (UK) edition, you, your
> agent, or the American publisher?

> As for Without Consent, as I said before, if you don't get paid
> the promised or contracted advance, don't deliver the book.

> I've just signed a contract with Avon Books in this country for a
> UFO title, half of the advance to be paid at the outset, half
> upon completion and acceptance of the manuscript, which is
> standard procedure. I can assure you, however, that if the first
> payment is not made in timely fashion, there will be no final,
> completed manuscript to deliver.

> If this problem persists, I can only advise that you contact that
> Falconer of Finance, His Highness, Peregrine, the Duke of
> Mendoza, for the name of a reputable publisher.

> Dennis

The first issue of BEYOND ROSWELL was published in the USA. We
were paid for the USA/North American rights. Marlowe have a
jhoint agreement with Michael O'Mara in the UK who published it
in Britain and in other parts of the world. It was for the UK
publication that we have not been paid for. As for my first book,
the company went out of business before they paid us. I have
considered legal action in this instance but it would probably
cost me more in legal fees than in the money owed, plus the fact
that I can't be bothered with the hassle either.


All the best,

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                              Research Request

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:35:02 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: Research Request


Dear colleagues,

I wonder can you help me obtain information on the following areas of UFO
research.

1. UFO LANDING CASES.

2. UFO SIGHTINGS BY YOUNG PEOPLE (under 18).

Any help in obtaining information  on either of these topics
would be greatly appreciated. Confidentiality of any witness
details is guaranteed and credit will be given for any material
published.


Yours Sincerely,


Philip Mantle.
1 Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire, England, WF17 7SW. Tele/fax:
01924 444049. E-mail: el51@dial.pipex.com











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                     Bill Wanted UFO Probe: Hubbell Book

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:57:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:57:40 -0500
Subject: Bill Wanted UFO Probe: Hubbell Book




From: http://206.15.118.165/112397/1095.htm

The New York Post

NEWS

BILL WANTED UFO PROBE: HUBBELL BOOK

By DEBORAH ORIN

President Clinton was intrigued by UFOs and wanted to know if
they really existed, says a new book by his golfing pal,
disgraced Justice Department official Webb Hubbell.

Hubbell says finding out about UFOs was one of the top priorities
Clinton gave him in sending him over to a job as one of Attorney
General Janet Reno's top deputies.

"' Clinton_ had said, "if I put you over at Justice I want you to
find the answers to two questions for me,'" Hubbell recounts.

"One, who killed JFK. And two, are there UFOs.'

"Clinton_ was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't
satisfied with the answers I was getting," Hubbell adds.

Hubbell describes his failure to find out about JFK and UFOs as a
big regret when he had to resign as associate attorney general
and pleaded guilty to bilking law clients of $482,000.

Whitewater figure Jim McDougal has said Hubbell - who worked
closely with Mrs. Clinton and former White House lawyer Vincent
Foster at Little Rock's Rose law Firm - "knows where the bodies
are buried" on the land deal, but he stays pretty closed-mouthed
in the book "Friends in High Places."

The book touched off a courtroom battle when Whitewater counsel
Ken Starr tried to subpoena early drafts. Starr backed off, and
in any case Hubbell's book insists he can't remember much.

But Hubbell does toss out a tantalizing aside in examining why
Bill Clinton decided against running for president in 1988: a
remark from Hillary that, "We've got to straighten up
Whitewater."

The book portrays Hillary Clinton as an ambitious woman who
dreamed of succeeding her husband as Arkansas governor and paints
Bill Clinton as someone unable to face his wife on whether she
should use his last name or hers.

Hubbell recounts that in 1981, after Clinton got beaten for
re-election as Arkansas governor - a campaign in which his wife's
use of her maiden name, Rodham, was an issue - he asked
Hubbell to press her to change her name.

He quotes Clinton as saying: "She needs to do this ... Webb,
you're her friend. Will you talk to her about it?"

Hubbell says he did so and Mrs. Clinton agreed - "but I suspect
it hurt for some reasons she's never understood herself."

Later in 1990, Hillary Clinton seriously talked of running to
succeed her husband as Arkansas governor when Bill Clinton seemed
bored with the job, he adds.

"Hillary had actually floated her candidacy past Vince ^Foster_
and me in the event that Bill didn't run," writes Hubbell, then a
law partner of Mrs. Clinton's and Foster's.

"We questioned whether if the reason Bill wasn't running was he
had been in office too long, voters would think they were just
getting the same thing."

Hubbell adds that Mrs. Clinton "talked about how it might
energize a new generation of females in the state, and when she
said that, I knew she was really thinking about it."


Copyright (c) 1997, N.Y.P. Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.
Reproduction in whole or in part in any form or  medium without
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                        CSETI May Have Missed Signals

From: Pat Parrinello <pparri@crossfields.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 14:38:24 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:14:54 -0500
Subject: CSETI May Have Missed Signals

Subject:     CSETI May Have Missed Signals

Space listeners re-examine Greer signals

      By Bobert Cookeymonster / NewsdayTimeWeekTVGuide


After straining for decades to find hints of intelligent life in
space, astronomers now suspect their big radio receivers have
been tuned in wrong all along.

Recently, research has shown that Greer signals from afar suffer
fading and distortion as they pass through the long reaches of
space. But the systems designed to listen for alien Greer signals
-- called CSETI, or Copycat Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence -- were set up under the assumption that any signal
coming from the United Nations would be a continued or repeating
signal.

This could mean the current CSETI programs have already recorded
real messages, without recognizing them, said Congressman Bill
Gates, Alfonze DeAmato and the other guy, all of Texas A&M
University. The politicians' conclusions appeared in a research
report published recently in the Agriculture Journal.

Over the years, CSETI programs have recorded a few intriguing
signals that seemed to meet all the criteria except one, the
report said. The missing criterion was repeatability; the signals
were never detected again, despite intensive listening. So much
for the UN.

Now, the politicians say that a close look shows that the
follow-up observations made on the sources were inadequate --
one-tenth of what was needed in terms of cash. Better
work is needed to distinguish between accidents, including
signals from satellites or radio transmissions from Earth-bound
sources, and genuine messages coming from across the Whitehouse
phone, they said.

Physicist D. Irty Waveguide, director of a CSETI search called
Project Betadine, which uses a big dish-shaped iodine isotope in
Harvard, Mass., said these ideas have already been incorporated
into the automated search system. The computer now conducts 120
follow-ups on each interesting signal that is detected which is
typical for Win95.

And Creamatia Tartar, at the CSETI Institute in Kaviti
California, said her system has already used more sensitive
equipment in Greens Banked, W.Va., to re-observe some of the
interesting spots in the sky detected earlier.

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                              Re: Topsy-turvey

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:04:04 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:34:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Topsy-turvey

Hey list,

Just when I thought I had it all figured out, along comes another
book to turn my whole world topsy-turvey.

You see, ever since my mom told me about her and dad's sighting
when I was eight years old, I have been intrigued with UFO's.
For three and one half decades since, I have read everthing I
could regarding the alien agenda.

I thought I had it figured out:

They hollowed out the moon to create our space ark so that when
the sun belched and speweed out deadly radiation causing the
poles to flip and earthquakes and the ice to melt flooding our
little world, we'd have a safe haven.  Then with their multi-mile
long motherships they would spirit us off to the moon to live
inside in comfort until the sun calmed down and the earth was
again inhabitable.

Now I learn that we're all just one big experiment which the
aliens don't think is going too well and they are planning to
intervene.  We're stinking up our mother earth and can't get
along with each other so they're taking a lot of us and a little
bit of them and mixing it all together to make a kinder, gentler
homo sapien reticulus to repopulate the earth like they did when
the homo sapien neanderthalus refused to quit banging each other
over the head with their big sticks.  And the moon is the storage
area for the homo sapien sapien replacements which will be
allowed to die off due to the sun speweeing out deadly radiation
and ebola marbury and HIV viral infections (which they probably
created).

When I was ten, I just wondered if we were food or pets.

I'm tired of being the subject of someone else's agenda.  I want
them to get the hell out of my solar system and leave us alone.
I want to call the intergalactic 911 and tell Gork to get his ass
down here and enforce the Prime Directive.  I have faith in
mankind and think we can solve our own damn problems and don't
think we need any bug-eyed helpers, thank-you.  If we survive and
evolve into a true space-faring race, I want to be able to say,
"I did it my way" and didn't have any help from nobody.  I hope
to God that those SDI dollars *did* go to make particle beam
weapons to blow the little bastards out of the sky.  HEY!  EITHER
GET DOWN HERE AND BE SOCIABLE OR LEAVE!!!  Enough of these
stratospheric peeping toms!

LEAVE US ALONE!

 ,!,,
` _

Rantingly yours,
Terry
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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:28:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:37:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
>From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>I would point out that, as I recall from old posts to this
>group and/or others, it was president Clinton who signed the
>executive order (which must be renewed annually) that exempts
>Area 51 from EPA inspection or environmental monitoring.  My
>recollection is that it was the gross violation of EPA rules at
>Area 51 that led to the disabilities that are the subject of
>the workman's comp claims referenced above.


>Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
>can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
>per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
>same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
>for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
>the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
>the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
>to protect the workers there who are being injured.

I believe that President Clinton also signed an executive order
that is resulting in a large number of secret files being
declassified, following the proper review process, which further
confuses our perspective of his views.  But the issue of whether
or not Area 51 should be kept highly classified because of
defense interests may or may not be related to the storage of an
Extraterrestrial craft (or two) at the complex.  From the
President's perspective, it may be that his (military and
civilian) advisors have convinced him that the base is still
necessary to maintain National Security.  Unless there is some
specific evidence (hard, not annecdotal) that points to some deep
dark ET secret, it would be difficult to justify opening the base
to civilian authority.

I disagree with his decision to prevent the enforcement of EPA
regulations simply because it is unfair to the workers that have
been affected, and unless actions are taken to handle the toxic
waste differently, it will likely happen again.  As I recall, the
case involved the burning of waste that had been trucked to the
site from California (and no, I don't think they got any permits
to move the material from one state to another).  But a legal
discussion of the chemicals involved could lead to disclosure of
the material that is used in the manufacture of "Stealth"
aircraft, and that what I believe they were afraid of.

I believe that it is possible for the President to have an
interest in getting to the truth regarding the Government's
historic involvement in the UFO issue, and also to find that Area
51 needs to remain secret for the security of the United States.
I think that it's important for workers at the Area 51 site to
understand that in the interest of national security, they are
not protected by civilian law and are all expendable.

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                           Re: 'Murderous Meteors'

From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:39:29 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:53:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Murderous Meteors'

> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:55:46 -0800
> From: Kenny Young <task@fuse.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: MURDEROUS METEORS

Hi Errol and Kenny,

I have finished going through nearly 3 weeks of my e-mail
messages deleting much of the follow up comments to make
things much more manageable.  Having not read all the
UFO UpDates, which I nearly always do, my comments below
to the Murderous Meteors message may be similar to others.

<snip>

> Bogota's El Espectador newspaper quoted witnesses, including
> the children's father and local firefighters, as saying
> "fireballs" had been spotted raining down from the sky in the
> impoverished area of Huila province where the children died in
> the house fire on Sunday evening.

When did the father and firefighters see the fireballs?
If it was after the children died in the fire, then the
two sychronous events may be unrelated.

Some large meteors have been observed to break up into
multiple fireballs and re-entering spacecraft burning up
in the atmosphere can also produce many fireball like
objects like those reported in N.W. USA recently.

> The children, all under six, were alone in their ramshackle
> house when the fire broke out and authorities initially
> suspected a candle or electrical short circuit.
>
> But Capt. Carlos Augusto Rojas of the fire department in
> Pitalito, a town three miles from the village where the fire
> occurred, said the house had no electricity and other possible
> causes of the blaze -- including a candle or gas lamp -- had
> been ruled out.

How could a fire start when there were no sources for
a fire?  Meteorites (i.e. rocks) would not likely have
been the source of the fire since they are often COLD
to the touch by the time they reach the Earth's surface.
Some freshly fallen meteorites have been reported to be
covered in frost when recovered immediately after their
fall to the Earth.

> Speaking in an interview with the Radionet all-news radio
> program, Rojas said he saw three distant fireballs in the sky
> when he arrived to fight the blaze.
>
> He said no evidence of a meteorite had been found inside the
> house where the children were killed in their sleep.
>
> But he said a hole, measuring about 10 inches in diameter, was
> discovered in the zinc roof of the house, along with traces of
> a sulphur-like substance that was being studied in a local
> laboratory.

The children lived in a "ramshackle house" in an
"improvished area".  It would not be unusual if
there were large holes in the roof or walls of their
house before the fire.

How can no meteorite be found with a hole that big
especially when they believed a meteor was the cause?

Sulphur?  Sounds like the fire was deliberately set
to me.

> The hole in the roof had been punched from the outside, Rojas
> said, adding that everything seemed to indicate the children
> were the unwitting victims of a meteorite.

I am not convinced.  Nick

> End of article

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                 Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

From: nld1@ix.netcom.com [Nancy Davidson]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:00:07 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:47:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

On 01/03/98 12:26:13 you wrote:

>Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:40:44 -0600
>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #211

>Apology to MW #211 (For January 3, 1998)

>Write it off as wallowing in my own naivet=E9. I was hoping that
>the righteous motes were here. But there's none of what I'm
>looking for I'd really likely find; what's real's likely way
>beyond what's queer.  Likely way beyond experience, and shot from
>different guns, the weave of things addresses what we're not. And
>it shows up in the actions of the ones that stake their claim on
>this puzzle they're not seeing we've all got.

>It's everybody's puzzle and we all should get an answer to the
>mystery that lies, and cheats and teases. The ones that do
>research are the ones so often hurt by the 'one' that's always
>done just what he pleases. Remember, please, John Ford, and
>consider his confinement as a black mark on the labor some
>perform.

>"=85Into UFO research? Then you might be like that jerk, the
>'flying saucer killer' ol' John Ford."

>Let 'the man' grind down on _him_ without a single peep from you,
>and the deed is quicker done on you and me! If they cap off
>Johnny Ford they have drawn a stealthy sword and they slash at
>any chance that we'd be free.

>Some of us are wolves that prowl a land we think we own, and are
>pissing on its corners, stems, and twigs. It is vaulting over
>tick turds and distracting from the search, and attracting like a
>swine farm full of pigs.

>The *glee* that we're displaying when we're catching people human
>is a game the meanest children always play. And it's children
>we're revealing when engaged in doubtful dealing that the field's
>been evolved to, hard to say!

>But suffer single take downs, at your peril, with indifference.
>It won't be long they've made their way to you. Where's salvation
>coming from, when you're the one that needs it! John Ford is
>going down, dear list, obscene, unjust -- but true.

>   Lehmberg@snowhill.com

>Why should Ufologists be any better than, say, lawyers? And the
>answer is I'm loath to associate myself with lawyers, and would
>prefer the company of those that _might_ see beyond our
>conspiring cultural pale -- past the tiny fractions of perception
>offered up by shallow inadequate senses =85 a more efficacious
>appreciation for what many of us presently perceive as unjustly
>applied and conveniently interpreted reality. I would prefer the
>company of Ufologists even if I knew most of them were lying to
>me, as I know ALL the lawyers are lying to me. Christ! That
>sounded an awful lot like I said ufologists are ethically and
>morally superior to lawyers! Somebody STOP me!

>Come on! Brothers and sisters, ladies and gentlemen, boys and
>girls -- fellow motes -- come together on this thing!

>Bug the networks! Write some E-mail; send a letter. There are
>_many_ in this community that could step on a short fused truth
>somewhere and be the subject of these same *special* attentions
>suffered by John Ford. John Ford may be wrong; John Ford may be
>obsessed -- John Ford may get up yer butt so far you can feel his
>boot toes burrowing into the insteps of your knees -- but that
>doesn't make him a murderer!

>Additionally, there is a handful of people close to John Ford
>(people who know the particulars) who will stand right up for
>him. Is it not more logical to fall in with them, whatever the
>outcome, than take the _word_ of the institution (the Suffolk
>county machine) that Ford was so stridently critical of? John
>Ford, an individual, was publicly AFTER the *machine* that
>brought him down -- now that STINKS, friends and neighbors,
>stinks like a moldy latrine door on a tuna boat!

>And not to single anyone out, but where is a similar (however
>petulant) outrage (recently displayed) for even more outrageous
>and unethical behaviors committed by (un-admitted) enemies of an
>honest truth you profess an interest in uncovering? One of your
>own's buried alive in an arbitrary hole, the victim of very
>questionable and bizarre circumstances, while you argue tired
>signatures, and absolutist ethical ideals -- ideals conveniently
>applied many times, I observe, or most here don't stretch their
>position (however slightly) by omission of non supporting data.
>No one holds the ground more ethical than the other, and then is
>able to sneer from those imagined battlements refined criticisms
>that enrage, impugn, and inflame the obstinate, even wrong,
>retort. Nothing gained there!

>It seems to me there are bigger fish to fry. It also seems to me
>that one of the chakra (sp?) junctures of ufological significance
>might be right at the point that keeps John Ford from the light
>of day! Getting to the bottom of the John Ford imbroglio,
>whatever the outcome, could be a watershed of illuminating
>information!

>But, maybe we don't want any answers!  Maybe we're just
>interested in pissing in the corners of something we pretend to
>own, and making feathered displays at those that transgress our
>imagined borders. *Inconveniently*, while we spout, strut and
>preen, there are those that languish, likely unjustly.
>Finally, freeing John Ford may be a prodigious step taken in the
>direction of freeing ourselves from this worrying
>irresponsibility of doing nothing at all to relieve a threat on
>our _own_ persons. Consider _that_!

>Free John Ford.


Hi:  I find your poems very interesting especially the one about
John Ford and his plight with the government.  Can you tell me
why he is being picked on unlike the other UFO researchers.  Also
keep us posted on the development of his case.

Thanks

Nancy Davidson
Chicago, Illinois









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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:45 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:50:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>  Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
>  From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>  Regarding the following two posts ...

>  Post 1 being ...

>  > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  > Subject: UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97

>  > Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
>  > I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
>  > be more full information forthcoming.

>  > Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
>  > Richard C. Hoagland
>  > Stephen Greer, MD
>  > Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut


>  > Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
>  > was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

>  > Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
>  > UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
>  > know viz his statement in Ireland. ...

<post 2 snip>

>  Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
>  can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
>  per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
>  same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
>  for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
>  the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
>  the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
>  to protect the workers there who are being injured.

>  My 2 cents,

>  -Brian Cuthbertson


As I recall  it was Richard "Hoaxland" Hoagland that was
unloading all of the predictions of pathfinder finding life on
Mars last July, with July 26th being the end all drop dead date.

Nothing happened but that doesn't stop good ole Richard, just
move on to the next story.

Cheers,
Robert








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:53:54 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:52:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
> From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>> <big snip>
>
> > ->invocation of the national security rationale in extremis in
> > refusing to address workman's compensation claims relating to the
> > "Area 51" research facility.

> I would point out that, as I recall from old posts to this
> group and/or others, it was president Clinton who signed the
> executive order (which must be renewed annually) that exempts
> Area 51 from EPA inspection or environmental monitoring.  My
> recollection is that it was the gross violation of EPA rules at
> Area 51 that led to the disabilities that are the subject of
> the workman's comp claims referenced above.

> Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
> can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
> per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
> same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
> for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
> the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
> the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
> to protect the workers there who are being injured.

Brian - I agree fully - there was a very long, very sad feature
article on this situation in the Washington Post this summer -
look it up on their archive site - actually, I'm amazed that they
published it, photos included.  It certainly brought Clinton (and
all of his relations and predecessors, I might add!!!!)

It doesn't exist - it's killing people, but it doesn't exist, so
they can't get any compensation for their illness and their heirs
cannot benefit from a legacy, but it's the government, so it must
be for our best interest, otherwise the government wouldn't do
that, and national security means that no matter what the
government admits or denies, we should put our hands on our
hearts and buy it lock,stock, and barrel...... the 1984 aspect of
our present social/political reality, or is it Animal Farm - the
"doublethink" that we US citizens are dumb enough to constantly
practice.  Will we ever stop???

Melanie








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 00:30:35 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:55:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
> From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> Regarding the following two posts ...

> Post 1 being ...

> > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97

> > Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
> > I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
> > be more full information forthcoming.

> > Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
> > Richard C. Hoagland
> > Stephen Greer, MD
> > Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut

> > Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
> > was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

> > Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
> > UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
> > know viz his statement in Ireland. ...

> and post 2 being ...

> > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:22:56 -0500
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
> >   Phenomena

> > From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html

> > To the President and Congress of the United States
> > on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

> > Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

> > The individuals identified below call your attention to the
> > following: after 50 years the policy of government secrecy and
> > misrepresentation regarding the presence of extraterrestrial life
> > forms in our world is collapsing. This collapse is occurring due
> > to the following factors:

> <big snip>

> > ->invocation of the national security rationale in extremis in
> > refusing to address workman's compensation claims relating to the
> > "Area 51" research facility.

> I would point out that, as I recall from old posts to this
> group and/or others, it was president Clinton who signed the
> executive order (which must be renewed annually) that exempts
> Area 51 from EPA inspection or environmental monitoring.  My
> recollection is that it was the gross violation of EPA rules at
> Area 51 that led to the disabilities that are the subject of
> the workman's comp claims referenced above.

> Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
> can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
> per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
> same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
> for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
> the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
> the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
> to protect the workers there who are being injured.

> My 2 cents,

> -Brian Cuthbertson

An important point Brian. But consider this. Area 51 is and has
been for 40 or 50 years, the United State's and possibly other
country's primary test site for top secret military aircraft,
which Clinton and many other presidents before him would know
about. At least as much as his military were willing to tell him
about. Nonetheless the President is going to operate under
National Security guidelines as is his duty, to protect military
projects that ultimately will serve to protect the security of
the United States and to some degree its allies. Hence the
procurement of the extra land in violation of any moral reasons
for protecting the wildlife and nature of those desert regions.

If there were deep black research/operations/testing going on
there, what better place to do it. You are hiding it in plain
sight with the best security in the world to protect it with the
excuse, and it's a damn good one, that top secret testing of
military aircraft/hardware is going on there. The Prez doesn't
have to know about it. Most of the people working there probably
don't know it. You just move it a mile or so down the desert.
Perfect.

Remember, deadly force is authorized within those precincts.

My two cents.

Don Ledger








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: Whitewolf <witewolf@neptune.on.ca> [Paul Whitewolf]
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:43:37 -0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:01:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

She-ko (hello) Errol and list;

>Subject:     UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97
>Sent:        1/6/98 9:19 AM
>Received:    1/6/98 7:52 AM
>From:        UFO UpDates - Toronto, updates@globalserve.net
>To:          Errol Bruce-Knapp, updates@globalserve.net


Errol wrote:

<snip>

>The Director
>had seen a UFO in the past. He knew that something was very wrong
>with not being able, as the CIA's Director, to get any
>information on UFOs. The Director held his head in his hands,
>uttering "Oh my God" as the implications of UFOs were brought
>home to him.


<snip

>"We have tracked and shot at 'craft' in space, endangering
>national and world security"


>See the letter to the President and US Congress.

>Visit Bell's site and follow links.


>ebk

Dear Errol,

Thank you for taking the time amidst monitoring the list to take
notes from the show and forward them to your list.

The two paragraphs noted above, do you know who said them and
what evidence they had to back them up with?

Perhaps we should equally consider that if indeed the Director
did react in the above manner, he may have as easily been intentionally
insincere as sincere. (bad english I know - Duke don't chastise me).

Sincerely,
Paul.

"If you can't laugh at yourself, you might be missing the joke of the
century."

...Dame Edna, 1997.









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                 Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #212 [Free John Ford]

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 06:06:03 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:08:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #212 [Free John Ford]

Apology to MW #212 (For January 7, 1998)

For a moment the clouds were an unsullied white, the shadows
lessor brightness, and a scent to the Earth promised one more
rebirth, a scent much too early to suit former rightness. The ebb
and the flow of the smells of the colors, speak to an arduous
time, we discover. The physical's mystical, impeachable --
statistical; it moves with a talent, its own, egotistical. The
birds fly in twos all a' squabble, involved -- What's real for
them is the *stuff*. On the strength of mere genes they don't
find it obscene to play with their feelings enough.

The sky wears a veil, the deepest of blues, and the clouds in the
air are like harp strings. They sound the deep chords that the
whales have heard, and they're hearing it now as it shrieks and
it sings. A song of the earth that has watched come and go all
the races of life truly more than we know. A song with its treble
so deep in your bass it's as over your head as it's up in your
face!

This is the world we believe *understood*. This is the world that
we're told is not *good*. This is the planet we sully in
ignorance, this is a planet we keep in belligerence. This is a
planet infested with parasite; ignorant beasts with an odorous
might. Short in its memory, even shorter in mind, it's made to
pervade all the life it can find.

Call me crazy, lacking relevance -- but there's weird stuff in
our skies that the man would tear your eye from. He distracts, I
wonder why? Whenever this has happened, from our dimmest hoary
past, then there's something that he's hiding; we always find out
at the last. Like it's fossil fuels that keeps him with your neck
beneath his soot, so forget about *new* batteries, he'd rather
keep you in under foot.  If the corporate boys at burger king, in
need of fresh dwellings (to live like old kings) =85 millions will
starve, then, to feed all the beef that are burgers and fries for
your Friday night's *treat*.

These are the guys who clutter the temples they've built from the
sweat of your brow. These are the guys who've hid away secrets
uncovered at last, about now.
These are the guys that can look in their skies and *know* that
they're God's favorite. These are the guys that are living their
lives real grand 'cause they don't have to pay for it. These are
the guys, I entreat, I implore, =85 these are those threatened by
our own Johnny Ford.

And the veiled sky gives no warning of a coming time of strife
for those that think him rabble, bet your money, bet your life.
John Ford is not a charlatan; he's a straight up man instead, and
in truth he's lost most everything =85

I'd be wishing I was dead.


Lehmberg@snowhill.com

"Heat a frog in water=85" (#185)

They miscalculated with John -- John started to hop before the
water got hot -- they _had_ to spank him. It's what you can do
when you have no conscience, are conflicted by a misunderstood
Machiavelli, and at the receiving end of largesse you become
accustomed to as a _right_.

But it ain't _right_ -- bunky!

You just don't get to live in a manner enjoyed by the *nobility*
when there is just one person you have to destroy to maintain
your *life-style*. Who pays so _you_ can play?

Living a lie takes its toll. Unappreciated tolls include driving
away those that are suggested by Dr. Drake's shocking, but
illuminating equation. It makes us suspect and repellant,
unworthy of the tiniest elevation by "those that are suggested."
Finally, it will lead to an eventual despair as we are reviled
and left alone to stew in our own toxic and self inflicted
juices. We won't be ALLOWED off planet! Hell on Earth <sarcastic
circuitry meltdown narrowly averted> at last! Bother said Pooh =85
they may even steer a big asteroid down the throat of our greedy
gravity well just to put out our misery=85

Free John Ford!

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"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake, and hearing the old song of ancient travail.










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                  'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:18:17 -0500
Subject: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.
Yes, it's really called "The Threat," meaning of course the alien
threat, and I thought I might describe it more or less
objectively, before the sniping at it gets too confusing.

The first thing to understand is that this is a sequel, of sorts,
to Dave's earlier book, "Secret Life." If you've read "Secret
Life," you're not going to find "The Threat" all that remarkable.
That doesn't mean you'll necessarily agree with what it says, but
at least you won't be surprised. The premise of "Secret Life" is
that if we carefully put together everything abductees say under
hypnosis, we can get a clear idea of what the alien abductors do.
There's a crucial detail somewhat buried here about the nature of
the hypnosis -- we have to ask the right questions. (More on that
later.) And our list of alien behaviors has to include only
things we've heard independently from more than one abductee.

But given those cautions, Dave says, there doesn't have to be any
mystery about what the aliens are up to. In "Secret Life" he
meticulously collates abductee accounts, and gives detailed
descriptions of what the aliens look like, and what they do. To
anyone who thinks abductions are nonsense, this book has to be
the greatest nonsense of all (or at least the greatest nonsense
till "The Threat") because Dave writes with real certainty. He
couldn't sound more factual if he were describing some tribe on a
Pacific island, or some of his neighbors, whom he didn't know
well but had been observing for quite a long time. In a world
where abductions aren't accepted as reality, even by many UFO
researchers, this is obviously problematic. I thought it was
brave, though, and necessary, in the sense that someone HAD to do
it. Someone who thought abductions are real had to sit down and
say, in effect, "OK, let's figure out exactly what's going on
here."

Now Dave has gone further. In "The Threat," he tells us what it
all means. And, as he says right up front, he doesn't like it.
The story, in brief, is simply this. In "Secret Life" we learned
that the aliens use us to breed hybrids, partly us and partly
them. (Budd Hopkins has been saying that, too, of course.) Now,
in "The Threat," we learn that breeding hybrids is the purpose of
the alien plan, that the aliens have now bred several generations
of them, that they intend to land and take over, replacing us
with a hybrid population, and that this is going to happen soon,
or at least relatively soon, maybe in a few years but certainly
within a generation or two.

I suppose, for many of us, this will sound like even worse
nonsense than "Secret Life," but we ought to understand that it's
based on the same premise. Abductees, Dave is saying, tell us
details about their abductions. If we listen long enough, we can
figure it out. We can amass so much data that eventually we'll
know exactly what's going on. And really, now -- is that
unreasonable? Assuming that abductions are genuine (quite a
stretch for some of us, I know), and that we really have accurate
data about what's going on (which I know is another stretch), why
couldn't we tear aside the alien veil, and figure out the truth?
Again, I think Dave is doing something brave, and also necessary.
Any of us are free to disagree with his conclusions, or with his
way of working, but we ought to be grateful for what he's done.
If abductions really are going on, somebody had better figure out
what they mean for the human race, and Dave is the first one
outside the new age camp who's taken a systematic stab at that.
We're free to disagree with what he comes up with, but we
shouldn't damn him for trying.

Along the way, he comes up with some fascinating details. To
anyone who doesn't buy the Hopkins/Jacobs abduction accounts,
these may not mean much, but for anyone who's followed the story
with even mild interest, Dave fills in a few gaps. Take, for
instance, the business of aliens forcing abductees to have sex
with each other. Why do that, if their goal is to breed hybrid
babies? But in "The Threat" we read that, when they force
abductees to have sex, they force the man to withdraw before he
ejaculates, so they can catch his sperm. The sex between
abductees only happens, Dave now says, when the aliens can't get
a male abductee to ejaculate any other way.

The passages about hybrids are fascinating, too. The hybrids,
being partly human -- or, in the most recent hybrid generations,
mostly human -- have human emotions. They get bored on the
aliens' ships, doing the aliens' work. One of them, speaking to
an abductee, compared himself to a robot. (I wonder -- should
Dave be reporting that if he has only one source for the remark?)
Some of them tattle on the aliens, revealing formerly secret
details to abductees. (This, in fact, is how Dave got the data
that tells him the aliens' ultimate goals.)

Sometimes the hybrids fall in love with their human partners, or,
as they put it, in alien-speak, with their "projects." Sometimes,
though, they get abusive, the result, Dave says, of frustration,
sexual and otherwise. "The Threat" has lurid passages about male
hybrid abuse of female abductees, strongly X-rated stuff,
involving rape and beatings.

The hybrids walk among us, by the way, though apparently they
don't live among us yet. Sometimes they're given a few hours to
wander around in one of our cities, where they meet their
"projects" for impromptu dates, and ask questions about things
they see humans doing.

There's a hierarchy among the aliens. Anyone who's read the
standard Budd-and-Dave abduction stories knows about the small
and big aliens, with the small ones doing the grunt work and the
big ones supervising. But above the tall aliens are high-ranking
insectoid alien officers, who give the ultimate orders. Below the
tall aliens, but apparently above the little ones, rank the
hybrids. When eventually the aliens take over earth, the
hierarchy will run like this: insectoids, then tall grays, then
hybrids, next abductees, and, way down on the bottom, the rest of
humanity, who may be kept in special preserves as breeding stock
in case the hybrid program goes sour. (Which sounds as if most
non-abductees are going to be killed or otherwise removed from
the scene, unless these preserves encompass most of the planet.
But Dave doesn't say anything about that.)

So much for the major revelations. The book also has something
else that's new -- a long, thorough chapter on Dave's way of
working, the longest discussion I've yet seen in print from any
abduction researcher about issues like confabulation under
hypnosis, and the danger of asking leading questions. Nobody,
from now on, will be able to accuse Dave of not knowing about
these things, or not having thought long and hard about how to
deal with them. You might disagree with his conclusions, as I've
said repeatedly here, but you'll understand much more about how
he reaches them. For the first time, too, at least in print, he
takes issue -- in great, careful detail -- with John Mack and
other abduction researchers who believe the aliens are
benevolent. All these researchers, including Mack, are named.
(Dave, by the way, doesn't rule out alien benevolence. He's
willing to concede that the alien plan might be in our best
interest. He just doesn't see any evidence that this is so.)

But now we come to the biggest challenges -- and the biggest
problems -- in the book. I said earlier that, in Dave's view, you
have to ask the right questions to get accurate results when you
question abductees under hypnosis. This is something he and Budd
Hopkins have both maintained for many years, but this is the
first time I've seen their ideas explained in such detail in
print.

Dave calls his approach "competent hypnosis." If you hypnotize
abductees and don't do it competently, he says, your results will
be worthless. You'll fall into a web of confabulation and
fantasies, with no way to separate them from the true alien
reality. To avoid this, you can't take literally what abductees
say, especially at the beginning of a hypnosis session. You have
to question them carefully, to distinguish fact from fiction.

Here, obviously, we have big potential trouble. Because if
abductees -- their minds clouded by the aliens -- don't
accurately report what happens to them, abduction investigators
have to set them straight. But what's to prevent abduction
investigators from substituting ideas of their own?

Dave, to his credit, meets this objection head on. I think even
his opponents should consider very carefully what he's saying. To
give one simple example, he says that abductees sometimes say
they meet very tall aliens, much taller than they are. What an
investigator has to do, he explains, is calmly question abductees
about where they are when they see these alien giants. Without
asking any leading questions, just establish the scene.
Invariably, he maintains, the abductees who describe giant aliens
are lying down when they see them. They're lying on the aliens'
notorious cold metal examination table, looking up at aliens who
are standing around them. So the aliens aren't tall at all. The
abductees were making an honest mistake.

Multiply this example by every detail of an abduction account,
and you'll have an idea of Dave's method, which is Budd
Hopkins's, too. This draws a strong line between them and, let's
say, Kevin Randle, who in his new book on reported alien
encounters says that the 150 abductees he's interviewed say
they've seen a wider variety of alien types than Budd and Dave
report. Dave, I think, would reply that the abductees aren't
remembering correctly, and that Kevin is wrong to take their
accounts at face value.

Budd has a story he likes to tell to illustrate this. An
abductee, he says, once said she was driving at night and had to
stop because an owl was in the road. The owl, she said, was
staring at her over the hood of her car. This owl, of course,
would have been four or five feet tall, taller than any owl in
recorded history. Under further questioning, Budd says, the owl
turned out not to be an owl at all but (of course) an alien.

Dave's book, more clearly than anything else I've seen, asks us
to consider the validity of these techniques. Assuming for the
moment that abductees have real experiences, is it true that they
don't describe them accurately? Is it true that "competent
hypnosis," as practiced by Budd and Dave, can sort out the truth,
and that any investigators who don't practice it are missing the
boat?

This isn't unreasonable, especially since it's generally accepted
(by those who accept abductions at all) that abductions take
place in an altered state of consciousness. In my view, we have
to examine Dave's method (and try to decide if it's valid) before
we can criticize his results.

Though even if we accept his method, there's one thing about the
book that I don't understand. He seems to base his most
far-reaching conclusions on reports from just a handful of
abductees -- a dozen or so, with the bulk of the testimony coming
from even fewer.

Has he chosen these as representative accounts, or are they his
only witnesses? Have many more abductees told him about romantic
and abusive hybrids, about hybrids who complain about their
alien-inspired work, about the aliens' ultimate plans, and about
the approaching end of the alien operation? Unless I missed
something, Dave doesn't say -- and if these are the only
abductees who've told him the things he reports here, then he's
gone much further out on a limb than I'd like to think.

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                 Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 08:43:54 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:01:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

> From: nld1@ix.netcom.com [Nancy Davidson]
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:00:07 -0600 (CST)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

> On 01/03/98 12:26:13 you wrote:

> >Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 07:40:44 -0600
> >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #211

> >Apology to MW #211 (For January 3, 1998)

> <poem snippage>

> Hi:  I find your poems very interesting especially the one about
> John Ford and his plight with the government.  Can you tell me
> why he is being picked on unlike the other UFO researchers.  Also
> keep us posted on the development of his case.

> Thanks

> Nancy Davidson
> Chicago, Illinois



Well yeah -- but believe me, you want look at this yourself. Ask
a search engine about John Ford (not the movie guy) and LIUFON,
and see that something's afoot, and it don't come off the shoes
easily <g>! Don't ask _me_ to fill you in on John Ford. Ask ABC
CBS NBC CNN MSNBC FOX, I'm thinking about sending some mail to
M&M's!!!

And HURRY!!! You'd want John to hurry if it was _you_ lanquishing
in demeaning, uncomfortable, and unjust confinement! Hurry like
it was you -- because it could be!

Free John Ford!

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: CFQ 2 <CFQ2@aol.com> [Charles F. Quinn Jr.]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:36:59 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:24:33 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Threat
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

on Tuesday 06 Jan. 1998 Greg Sandow wrote, in part...

>There's been a lot of talk about David Jacobs new book
>the one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the
>lurid title. Yes it is really called the "THREAT", meaning of
>course the alien threat.....

>for the first time, too, at least in print, he takes issue - - --
>in great detail with John Mack and other abduction researchers
>who believe that the aliens are benevolent...


>Though even if we accept his method, there's one thing about the
>book that I don't understand. He seems to base his most far-reaching
>conclusions on reports from just a handful of abductees- - -
> a dozen or so......."

That's one of the problems with Dr.(???) David Jacobs. Unlike
John Mack, he is very short on real credentials. John Mack is an
M.D., Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical
School, who embarked upon his nationwide research into the
abduction phenomenon on a grant of One half a Million Dollars
from Lawrence Rockefeller. His book ABDUCTION--- 33 weeks on the
New York Times bestseller list- -- was a very scientific research
effort, which neither negated nor asserted the validity of the
abduction phenomenon. He only speculated, that, in his opinion,
the people were NOT FABRICATING THEIR EXPERIENCES. Jacobs is not
an M.D., not even a D.O. He does not have a PH.D in Psychology.
His PH.D is in history and he teaches at Temple University in
Philadelphia. He is not a hypnotist nor qualified by training in
the fields of behavioral science to reach ANY CONCLUSIONS. I
questioned him in Springfield Ohio in September of 1997 and he
admitted that he personally only spoke to about a dozen
abductees. His conclusions, couched in book form, are better
suited to a Hollywood movie than reasoned research in this field
and he has a brazen nerve to question any thing that DOCTOR (real
doctor) John Mack has done.
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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:29:22 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:32:40 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

Greg Sandow wrote:

> From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
> To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: The Threat
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

> There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
> one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.
> Yes, it's really called "The Threat," meaning of course the alien
> threat, and I thought I might describe it more or less
> objectively, before the sniping at it gets too confusing.

<snip>

> Has he chosen these as representative accounts, or are they his
> only witnesses? Have many more abductees told him about romantic
> and abusive hybrids, about hybrids who complain about their
> alien-inspired work, about the aliens' ultimate plans, and about
> the approaching end of the alien operation? Unless I missed
> something, Dave doesn't say -- and if these are the only
> abductees who've told him the things he reports here, then he's
> gone much further out on a limb than I'd like to think.

Excellent analysis, Greg.  And even better questions.  Methinks
that Jacobs suffers from a myopia which often affects researchers
of all types, including those studying cold fusion.  Many learned
people have developed quite good theories on why cold fusion
works as long as they restrict their explanation to a subset of
the data.  The generation of excess heat alone could be explained
by variations on those laws which govern hot fusion; however,
when elemental transmutations appeared, many of those theories
fell to the wayside.

Such is the same with alien visitation.  Our own experiments with
genetic manipulation serve as the basis for Jacobs' theory.  One
cannot fault him here because he is following the dictum of
Ockham's Razor. However, he has restricted his view to a very
narrow subset of the alien phenomenon.

If we consider only the greys and the most common abduction
reports, cannot Dr. Brown's explanation in Cosmic Voyage be just
as valid, ie that the greys are seeking to re-engineer emotion
into their own race?

I'm just wary of accepting any "answers" to such a broad ranging
phenomenon.

Terry









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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:24:44 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:35:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>From: natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
>Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:53:54 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
>> From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>> <big snip>

>> > ->invocation of the national security rationale in extremis in
>> > refusing to address workman's compensation claims relating to the
>> > "Area 51" research facility.

>> I would point out that, as I recall from old posts to this
>> group and/or others, it was president Clinton who signed the
>> executive order (which must be renewed annually) that exempts
>> Area 51 from EPA inspection or environmental monitoring.  My
>> recollection is that it was the gross violation of EPA rules at
>> Area 51 that led to the disabilities that are the subject of
>> the workman's comp claims referenced above.

>> Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
>> can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
>> per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
>> same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
>> for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
>> the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
>> the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
>> to protect the workers there who are being injured.

>Brian - I agree fully - there was a very long, very sad feature
>article on this situation in the Washington Post this summer -
>look it up on their archive site - actually, I'm amazed that they
>published it, photos included.  It certainly brought Clinton (and
>all of his relations and predecessors, I might add!!!!)

>It doesn't exist - it's killing people, but it doesn't exist, so
>they can't get any compensation for their illness and their heirs
>cannot benefit from a legacy, but it's the government, so it must
>be for our best interest, otherwise the government wouldn't do
>that, and national security means that no matter what the
>government admits or denies, we should put our hands on our
>hearts and buy it lock,stock, and barrel...... the 1984 aspect of
>our present social/political reality, or is it Animal Farm - the
>"doublethink" that we US citizens are dumb enough to constantly
>practice.  Will we ever stop???

>Melanie

Hiya Melanie!

Nope, I don't think there's any end to the apathy that 'modern
era Americans' are capable of. Along with this injustice to
the people that died as a result of their employment situation
evidence surfaced recently implicating the CIA in drug running/
smuggling and distributing those drugs in minority communities
here at home! (California)

That alone should have been enough to bring the agency down
to it's knees in a crashing heap. Nope, nobody cares apparently.
There are so many examples of this kind of indifference and
apathy that I hold out little hope for change via a popular
movement. Those days are over. They shot some kids at Kent
State, beat the piss out of us in Chicago and the people -got
the message- loud and clear. Ergo, no more anti-government
protests in over two decades! At least not on the same scale
as in the sixties.

Where are all the politically aware and concerned people now?
The ones who were willing to -put it on the line- and 'tell it
like it is?' I can't believe that when they cut their hair and
traded their love beads for neckties they also sold their
consciousness and awareness. Ahhh, the 'good old days'!

Remember these?

All power to the people!
Hell no, we won't go!
If you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem!
Peace,
Love,
Justice,
Equality.

All stuff that has to be fought for by every succeeding generation.
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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:51:58 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:37:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:45 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>  Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
>>  From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>  Regarding the following two posts ...

>>  Post 1 being ...

>>  > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
>>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  > Subject: UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97

>>  > Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
>>  > I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
>>  > be more full information forthcoming.

>>  > Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
>>  > Richard C. Hoagland
>>  > Stephen Greer, MD
>>  > Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut


>>  > Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
>>  > was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

>>  > Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
>>  > UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
>>  > know viz his statement in Ireland. ...

><post 2 snip>

>>  Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
>>  can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
>>  per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
>>  same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
>>  for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
>>  the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
>>  the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
>>  to protect the workers there who are being injured.

>>  My 2 cents,

>>  -Brian Cuthbertson


>As I recall  it was Richard "Hoaxland" Hoagland that was
>unloading all of the predictions of pathfinder finding life on
>Mars last July, with July 26th being the end all drop dead date.

>Nothing happened but that doesn't stop good ole Richard, just
>move on to the next story.

>Cheers,
>Robert

Hi Bob, All,

I want to stand up and be counted among those who are tired of
having to accept (less than ideal) characteristics in those at
the forefront of modern ufology. What Bob says is true, Hoagland
-has- abandoned any semblance of logic and common sense for the
bells, robes, and candles, of the sooth sayers and predicters of
future events.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!" (Sienfeld!)

It's ok if Hoagland or anyone else wants to have a career on the
Psychic Friends Network, but don't mix that with the urgent and
serious work that needs to be done regarding the presence of
"something" on our world that we know very little about.

Hoagland will meet with highly placed government officials on one
day and then make wild predictions, (ex: His trip to Phoenix with
Art Bell earlier this year!) on the next.

Greer is, (according to some) accomplishing 'miracles' but he
won't share any of it with the 'rabble' so what good is it.
Listen man, I sincerly hope that Hoagland or Greer (or whoever)
manage to -get the job done- I'm just not real happy with (who)
is doing it and (how) it's being done. That's still allowed in
America I believe!

My two cents worth.

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From: troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:15:11 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:40:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:45 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>  Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:56 -0600 (CST)
>>  From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
>>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>  Regarding the following two posts ...

>>  Post 1 being ...

>>  > Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:20:38 -0500
>>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  > Subject: UFO UpDate: Greer Briefed CIA head - Bell Show, O1-05-97

>>  > Very rough notes on a most intriguing broadcast.
>>  > I wanted to get this out. Undoubtedly there will
>>  > be more full information forthcoming.

>>  > Stephen G. Bassett, UFO lobbyist in Washington.
>>  > Richard C. Hoagland
>>  > Stephen Greer, MD
>>  > Edgar Mitchell, former-Astronaut


>>  > Hoagland met with close associates of Clinton after the President
>>  > was stonewalled' on his questions on UFOs.

>>  > Hoagland suggests that is concerted deep entrenched opposition to
>>  > UFO revelations. He proposes that the President still wants to
>>  > know viz his statement in Ireland. ...

><post 2 snip>

>>  Hence I'd argue that the president can't have it both ways: He
>>  can't claim to be truely interested in the truth about UFOs (as
>>  per Hoagland above) and the government coverups, while at the
>>  same time helping to prevent access to sites like Area 51 even
>>  for environmental monitoring.  If he's serious about getting to
>>  the bottom of things, all he has to do for starters, is revoke
>>  the pertinent Area 51 executive order, and let the EPA do its job
>>  to protect the workers there who are being injured.

>>  My 2 cents,

>>  -Brian Cuthbertson


>As I recall  it was Richard "Hoaxland" Hoagland that was
>unloading all of the predictions of pathfinder finding life on
>Mars last July, with July 26th being the end all drop dead date.

>Nothing happened but that doesn't stop good ole Richard, just
>move on to the next story.

>Cheers,
>Robert

It hardly warrants branding him "hoaxland." He has contributed so
much to science with his Mars investigation that we should show
more respect. He hasn't stooped to the level of many in the field
of Ufology (not that he's a Ufologist). He is respectful to his
opponents and making grandiose claims are not his normal
behavior. He deserves the benefit of the doubt.



Good fortune, safe travels

David Orr

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                      New Evidence Found for Black Hole

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:12:09 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 18:58:28 -0500
Subject: New Evidence Found for Black Hole

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: New Evidence Found for Black Hole
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:11:06 EST

New Evidence Found for Black Hole

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Stars speeding 2 million miles an hour near the
center of the Milky Way give the strongest evidence yet that a
massive black hole is providing a gravitational anchor at the
center of Earth's galaxy, astronomers said Wednesday.

By measuring the motion of two hundred stars in the Milky Way,
researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial
Physics in Germany found that stars nearest the galaxy's center
move the fastest, some speeding along at more than 600 miles a
second.

Astronomer Andreas Eckart said he and his colleagues calculated
it would take an object 2.6 million times more massive than the
sun to cause the stars to move in such a fashion.

``This is the strongest case we have yet for a super massive
black hole at the center of the Milky Way,'' Eckart said at a
news conference of the American Astronomical Society. No other
reasonable explanation can be found for the motion of the stars.

The concept that a black hole exists in the center of the Milky
Way has long been controversial. Some earlier evidence was
rejected by many astronomers.

Astronomers at the AAS meeting said, however, that the German
findings and some American studies suggest powerfully the
presence of a massive black hole at the galaxy's center.

``This is the best evidence yet,'' said Steve Maran, a NASA
astronomer.

The center of the Milky Way is 26,000 light years from the sun
and its planets, including the Earth.

Researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
used radio telescopes to make independent measurements of the
sun's orbit of the galactic center and of the motion of
Sagittarius A. As a reference, they used stellar objects in the
background called quasars, beyond the galaxy.

Mark Reid said that if the object at the Milky Way's center is a
black hole, then it would stay relatively still as the sun moves
in its orbit.

Reid said two years of measurements show that Sagittarius A was
virtually motionless, while the sun moved at half a million miles
an hour in its 200-million-year orbit of the galactic center.

``This is totally consistent with there being a supermassive
black hole'' at the galactic center, Reid said.

Eckart said thousands of stars exist within an area just 200
times the size of the solar system clustered around the galactic
center. Some of these stars are zooming at high speeds, zipping
in tight circles about the center.

A speeded up simulation of the star motion resemble billiard
balls rolling rapidly in many directions.

Reid said that most of the stars near the galactic center are
very old.

``It is like a retirement village of stars,'' he said.

This suggests, said Eckart, that a ``seed black hole'' existed
early in the Milky Way's history that over the eons has grown
more and more massive as it swallowed stars.

A massive black hole is thought to be a point of such infinite
density and gravitational strength that nothing can escape from
its grasp. Even light is sucked into the hole. Thus, since it
gives out no light, it cannot be seen.

Astronomers deduce the presence of such an object by measuring
the motion of stars, gas and dust nearby. The more massive the
object, the faster nearby objects will move as they zip past.

AP-NY-01-07-98 1408EST

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in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten
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              NASA: 'Old Faithful' Black Hole Ejects Mass Equal

From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:51:15 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:06:30 -0500
Subject: NASA: 'Old Faithful' Black Hole Ejects Mass Equal

Donald Savage
Headquarters, Washington, DC                       January 7, 1998
(Phone:  202/358-1547)                 EMBARGOED UNTIL 9:30 AM EST

William Steigerwald
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
(Phone:  301/286-5017)

RELEASE:  98-2

"OLD FAITHFUL" BLACK HOLE EJECTS MASS EQUAL TO AN ASTEROID

       Scientists observing a disk of matter surrounding a black
hole in our galaxy have discovered that the disk is periodically
disrupted and hurled outward in opposite directions from the black
hole, in jets moving at nearly the speed of light.  The black hole
replenishes the disk by pulling hot gas from the surface of a
nearby "companion" star, and then undergoes another disruption,
repeating the sequence at half-hour intervals.

       The researchers represent teams at the California Institute
of Technology, Pasadena, CA, the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology (MIT), Boston, and NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center,
Greenbelt, MD, which all worked to correlate the disappearance of
X-ray emitting hot gas in the disk with the appearance, shortly
thereafter, of rapidly expanding jets.  Dr. Ronald Remillard of
MIT and Dr. Jean Swank of Goddard are presenting X-ray results,
obtained with NASA's Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer (RXTE), which
show the disappearing disk.  Dr. Stephen Eikenberry of Caltech is
presenting new infrared observations which demonstrate that when
the X-rays from the disk vanish, the jets suddenly appear.  The
observations will be the subject of a press conference by three of
the researchers involved, to be held Jan. 7 during the winter
meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Washington, DC.

       The disks of hot gas, known as accretion disks, are
commonly observed around black holes with orbiting stellar
companions, but the near simultaneous disappearance of the disk
and formation of the jet has never been seen before.  It promises
to shed light on the origin of the enigmatic jets, also commonly
observed near accreting black holes, but poorly understood.

       "The system behaves like the celestial version of Old
Faithful," notes Dr. Craig Markwardt, a researcher working with
Swank at Goddard.  "At fairly regular intervals, the accretion
disk is disrupted and a fast moving jet is produced."

       "This jet is staggeringly more powerful than a geyser,"
adds Swank.  "Every half-hour, the black hole, in the
constellation Aquila, throws off the mass equal to that of a 100
trillion ton asteroid at nearly the speed of light (approximately
650 million miles per hour).  This process clearly requires a lot
of energy -- each cycle is equivalent to six trillion times the
annual energy consumption of the entire United States."

       "What is even more amazing is that we are seeing the first
clues to the source of matter ejected in the jets -- the
correlations we discovered indicate that the jet material must
come from the inner disk.  For years theorists have hypothesized
that the jets come from somewhere close to the black hole, but no
one had ever actually seen that direct link until now" said
Eikenberry.

       Black holes are very massive objects with gravitational
fields so intense that near them, nothing, not even light, can
escape their pull.  While this prevents anyone from observing
black holes directly, their presence can be inferred from effects
on nearby matter.  Many of the known or suspected black holes are
orbiting a close "companion" star.  The black hole's gravity pulls
gas from the companion star into a swirling disk of material which
orbits around the black hole, much as soap suds swirl around a
bathtub drain.  As it falls into the black hole, the gas in the
disk is compressed and heated to millions of degrees, emitting
X-rays.

       "We found that the X-rays from the disk disappeared almost
completely every half hour.  About five minutes later, they would
return again.  The results of the X-ray observations, Eikenberry's
infrared observations at Mt. Palomar, CA, and infrared and radio
observations made by Dr. Felix Mirabel, Director, Centre d'Etudes
de Saclay, France, and collaborators, showed that very shortly
after the X-rays vanished, jets appeared at infrared and radio
wavelengths.  Since X-ray emitting hot gas in the disk disappears
during these episodes, we all concluded that the matter in the
disk must have escaped, probably flung out in the jets.  As the
black hole pulls more gas from its companion star, the disk
appears again, along with the X-rays, and the cycle starts over,"
Swank said.  Dr. Mirabel obtained results with the United Kingdom
Infrared Telescope and the Very Large Array in New Mexico.

       "The great value of these observations," notes Swank, RXTE
project scientist, "is that potentially they are giving us a key
to answer some big questions.  It is remarkable how little we
understand of these jets, because they are such a common and
impressive phenomenon.  In fact, black hole jet formation is
rather mysterious because it's hard to understand how anything can
be expelled from the vicinity of a black hole since its powerful
gravity pulls everything in.  I believe this black hole will prove
to be one key to finding out lots of things about black holes and jets.

       "This is like having a miniature quasar in your back yard;
and, because it is much smaller, it changes over minutes and
hours, rather than months and years.  This will let us learn a lot
in a much shorter period of time," said Elkenberry.

                           - end -

Note to Editors:   A video file, with computer animation and, will
be broadcast on NASA TV Jan. 7.  Images to support this story are
available on the Internet at:
         FTP://PAO.GSFC.NASA.GOV/newsmedia/JAN_AAS/BH
RXTE information is available at:
         http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/xte/XTE.html









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                 Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:29:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:18:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]

>From: nld1@ix.netcom.com [Nancy Davidson]
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:00:07 -0600 (CST)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Free John Ford [Alfred's Odd Ode #211]


> Hi:  I find your poems very interesting especially the one about
> John Ford and his plight with the government.  Can you tell me
> why he is being picked on unlike the other UFO researchers.  Also
> keep us posted on the development of his case.

> Thanks

> Nancy Davidson
> Chicago, Illinois


Nancy- You can read a sardonic article about John Ford and LIUFON
in the November 1997 issue of the Flying Saucer Gazette, titled
"Project Oddjob", down at the bottom of the page.

http://www.erols.com/sardonica/FSRTWO


-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica
sardonica@erols.com








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:57:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:51:58 -0500
> Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 15:37:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


> Hi Bob, All,

> I want to stand up and be counted among those who are tired of
> having to accept (less than ideal) characteristics in those at
> the forefront of modern ufology. What Bob says is true, Hoagland
> -has- abandoned any semblance of logic and common sense for the
> bells, robes, and candles, of the sooth sayers and predicters of
> future events.

> "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" (Sienfeld!)

If there's one thing in ufology that sets of my bullshit alarm
it's predictions. Especially the nutty kind we've seen recently
from the likes of Courtney Brown and Lee Shargell etc. This type
of wierdness is ufological snake oil at it's sleaziest. I even
cast a doubtful eye on the more rational predictions (ie. Stephen
Basset estimates a forum for disclosure in about 3 months, Bill
Hamilton estimates about 3 years) but, in these specific
instances I can forgive such people as long as they admit before
hand that they are speculating.

>  It's ok if Hoagland or anyone else wants to have a career on the
> Psychic Friends Network, but don't mix that with the urgent and
> serious work that needs to be done regarding the presence of
> "something" on our world that we know very little about.

> Hoagland will meet with highly placed government officials on one
> day and then make wild predictions, (ex: His trip to Phoenix with
> Art Bell earlier this year!) on the next.

Hoagland kind of lost it for me when he asserted that the Apollo
launch pad fire was actually a NASA conspiracy to kill the
astronauts in the capsule. That more or less told me all I need
to know about Richard Hoagland. I really can't see see this man
being taken seriously by people in Congress but maybe he'll prove
me wrong. One can hope. Greer doesn't bother me as much. I think
Greer has been panned more because of his unconventional theories
about the UFO phenomenon itself rather than his political
efforts. Although Greer is quite repetitive, my hope is that he
makes some progress up on the Hill. Edgar Mitchell has been
everyone's golden boy for a long time and having this man on our
team can do nothing but good in my opinion. Astronauts really are
our salvation here. They bring that certain seriousness to
ufology's image that it so richly needs.








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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: clark@mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:56:38 PST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:34:25 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> From: CFQ 2 <CFQ2@aol.com> [Charles F. Quinn Jr.]
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:36:59 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
> >To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: The Threat
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

> on Tuesday 06 Jan. 1998 Greg Sandow wrote, in part...

> That's one of the problems with Dr.(???) David Jacobs. Unlike
> John Mack, he is very short on real credentials. John Mack is an
> M.D., Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> School, who embarked upon his nationwide research into the
> abduction phenomenon on a grant of One half a Million Dollars
> from Lawrence Rockefeller. His book ABDUCTION--- 33 weeks on the
> New York Times bestseller list- -- was a very scientific research
> effort, which neither negated nor asserted the validity of the
> abduction phenomenon. He only speculated, that, in his opinion,
> the people were NOT FABRICATING THEIR EXPERIENCES. Jacobs is not
> an M.D., not even a D.O. He does not have a PH.D in Psychology.
> His PH.D is in history and he teaches at Temple University in
> Philadelphia. He is not a hypnotist nor qualified by training in
> the fields of behavioral science to reach ANY CONCLUSIONS. I
> questioned him in Springfield Ohio in September of 1997 and he
> admitted that he personally only spoke to about a dozen
> abductees. His conclusions, couched in book form, are better
> suited to a Hollywood movie than reasoned research in this field
> and he has a brazen nerve to question any thing that DOCTOR (real
> doctor) John Mack has done.
> CFQ2@aol.com


Hi, everybody,

Wow.  There's somebody out there who actually defends Mack's
book?  I guess it takes all kinds.  I urge the rest of you to
read my essay on it in the March/April 1994 issue of IUR.
Essentially, in addition to all sorts of other errors logical and
methodological, Mack has forcefit the contactee message onto the
abduction experience. He does the same with his fashionable
postmodern, anti-Western political/ideological views.  If Charles
F. Quinn, Jr., thinks Mack's is a good book on the abduction
phenomenon, I'd hate to think what he judges a bad one.  The mind
boggles.

Cheers,

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                           NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:28:46 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:03:56 -0500
Subject: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

After so many reports of a "cooperative" facility under the
Archuleta mesa, it appears that NIDS actually looked into
matter.

from NIDS site source:
http://www.accessnv.com/nids/redding.shtml

Report on the Redding War Ranch at Mt. Archuleta, New Mexico -
Colorado Border

It has been reported in the media and on the internet that the
Redding War Ranch, located at 37=B0 2.91=92 north latitude and 107=B0
1.44=92 west longitude (GPS) next to Mt. Archuleta (straddling New
Mexico - Colorado border), is rumored to be an undercover
facility engaged in secret activity connected with Mt. Archuleta.
These rumors further state that the ranch has eight armed guard
watch towers scattered along the property. In addition, there is
an unusual round steel (and air conditioned) building located
behind a ranch entrance gate on the opposite side of the property
(37=B0 6.02=92 north latitude and 107=B0 2.85=92 west longitude - GPS).

A metal plaque prominently posted on a watch tower door
identified the manufacturer as Houston Blow Pipe & Steel Plate
Works (P.O. BOX 1692, Houston, TX 77251-1692, phone:
713-675-2273, FAX: 713-675-5038).

Having seen the towers and being interested in their origin and
purpose, a simple phone call was made to the phone number above.
It was learned during the phone conversation that the President
and CEO of the company is Mr. W. A. Redding. Contrary to the
myths that have been perpetuated, a simple explanation was
provided by Mr. Redding.

1) Mr. Redding stated that the watch towers are actually hunting
stands with the brand name "The Ultimate Hunting Stand." The
hunting stands on the ranch are weather proof-heavy gauge steel
construction (5 feet diameter, 850 pounds est. total weight)
equipped with 10 feet high steel angle frame supports, steel
ladder or a steel walk-up type stairway with steel pipe hand
railing, propane heater and tank, five large one way mirror-pane
plate glass (hinged and latched) windows (hunters can see out,
but game cannot see inside), swivel chair, and indoor-outdoor
carpet on floor and side wall. Further, the stands are used for
photographing game and birds, and hunting of game (deer, elk,
javelina, moose, sheep and turkeys). According to published
literature, the stands have been in production since 1963 and
employ 75 years of hunting and 60 years of steel fabrication
experience in their design for all-weather hunting.

2) The round steel building is a bunk house for ranch hands
designed and manufactured by Mr. Redding=92s Houston steel company.
The bunk house design employs the same all-weather heavy gauge
steel construction as the hunting stands along with air
conditioning and fuel-oil heater. It is not currently being used.

3) The owner of the Redding War Ranch is Mr. Redding himself. He
can be contacted at the phone number given above.

4) The Redding War Ranch is used to raise small herds of
Beefalo.









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                   Re: Greer's December letter to Congress

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:34:03 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:07:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer's December letter to Congress

Source:http://www.cseti.org/position/greer/wit2.htm


PUBLIC REQUESTED TO CALL THESE COMMITTEES Today, 24 December
1997, the following letter was sent to key Chairmen of
Congressional Committees by registered mail, return receipt
requested.


December 22, 1997

Washington, DC 20515

Dear Senator/Congressman,

For the past seven years, CSETI (The Center for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has been collecting scientific
evidence on the matter of extraterrestrial intelligence and
so-called UFOs.

We have identified a substantial amount of irrefutable evidence
as well as the testimony of over 100 military, intelligence
agency and civilian government witnesses who have held Top Secret
(TS) clearances, many of whom were additionally cleared for
access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). These people
have personally witnessed or been involved in covert operations
related to this subject or events of an unambiguous
extraterrestrial nature (see enclosures).

The implications of this matter transcend the interests of any
given branch or agency of the US government, and impact numerous
interrelated areas, all of which affect national security,
governmental function and finances and government
accountability.

In general, the US government and its legal representatives are
excluded from briefings and developments impacting this important
area -- a situation which we feel is unconstitutional,
dangerously avoids Congressional oversight, and which must be
corrected as soon as possible.

In meetings which I have had with a sitting CIA Director, members
of the Senate and House of Representatives, the Executive Branch
and senior military representatives in the Pentagon, I have found
that, while there is interest in the subject and general support
for a disclosure regarding the existence of extraterrestrial life
forms, there is an almost universal absence of information
available to these leaders.

The implications of excessive and undue secrecy surrounding this
issue should concern every member of Congress who is charged with
upholding the integrity of the U.S. Constitution and the rule of
law. The subject itself has vast implications for world peace,
science and new technologies, the environment, the economy and
geo-politics (see enclosed paper "Implications of an
Extraterrestrial Disclosure").

CSETI is hereby formally asking your committee to convene open
hearings on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence
beginning with the next term of Congress. We are prepared to
provide you with a substantial body of detailed briefing
materials in addition to those enclosed, as well as the names of
bona-fide first hand military and intelligence witnesses who wish
to testify under oath before Congress. These heros of our country
are eager to inform the Congress and the American people of what
they know first-hand regarding this matter.

We respectfully ask that you reply to this request and answer the
following questions:

Is your committee willing to receive a preliminary briefing on
this subject?

If not, why?

Is your committee willing to allow open, publicly accessed
hearings on this subject?

If not, why?

CSETI and its worldwide network of military witnesses, scientists
and researchers are ready to provide you with a full briefing on
this subject at your earliest convenience. We feel the American
people, and the people of the world, deserve to know the truth of
this matter.

We request that our elected representatives assert their
constitutional rights on behalf of the American citizen to be
provided a full, reasonable disclosure on this matter in the next
term of Congress.

Sincerely,

Steven M. Greer M.D. International Director of CSETI

enclosures:

1. CSETI Briefing Document - CSETI Assessment and Position Papers
   and U.S. Government Documents related to UFOs.

2. Videotape of Military Witnesses' Testimony from 9April, 1997
   Washington DC CSETI Briefings for Congressmen and others -
   Confidential.

3. Videotape of Images of UFOs/Extraterrestrial Vehicles.

4. Audiotape and Transcript of Edwards Air Force Base pursuit of
   UFOs, 1965.

5. Report on the CSETI Washington DC Briefings of 9 April, 1997.









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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:25:43 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:18:17 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Threat
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

>There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
>one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.
>Yes, it's really called "The Threat," meaning of course the alien
>threat, and I thought I might describe it more or less
>objectively, before the sniping at it gets too confusing.

I want to thank Greg fo his very competent review of Dave's book.








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                           Fred Steckling and LTP

From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 04:32:02 -0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:20:36 -0500
Subject: Fred Steckling and LTP

Dear colleagues and friends,

If possible, I would like to hear your opinion about Fred
Steckling and his book "Alien Bases on the Moon" (1981).

Best regards

Philippe Piet van Putten
Director - The Brazilian Academy of Parasciences (ABP)
National Director - Picard UFO Research International (PUFORI)
Editor - Fenomenos Aeroespaciais (Aerospatial Phenomena)
E-mail: abp1@uol.com.br










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                 Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET

From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen Bassett]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:33:20 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:31:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET


In a message dated 98-01-06 08:23:05 EST, you write:

>  Subj: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related Phenomena
>  Date: 98-01-06 08:23:05 EST
>  From: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  To:  updates@globalserve.net

>  From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html

>  To the President and Congress of the United States
>  on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

>  Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

To the list:

When this letter, soon to be an ad in the Washington Post, was
placed on the Anagram Video website, it should not have had and
any signatures,  <<<since the signatures are mock>>>>  This has
created some confusion.  It is being corrected and the website
will not show these mock signatures in the future.

The letter/ad is in need of signatures from distinguished
citizens, including accomplished researchers in the field of
extraterrestrial related phenomena, in a number of areas.  It is
not a petition.   It is a message to the Congress and the
President (and the media) that Americans of high accomplishments,
rank and station find the government posture does not conform
with realtiy.

In due course the ad will be available in final form with all
signatures in place.

Any distinguished citizens (or foreign nationals), including
accomplished researchers,  who have reviewed this statement and
wish to be  signatories may accomplish this by doing the
following:

1) Fax a signed, brief request to be a signatory to the
   statement on letterhead to:

          Paradigm Research Group: 301-564-4066

2)  Your request will be confirmed via a phone call.

The most appropriate 80 signatures will go into the ad copy.  The
remaining signatures will be worked up into a press piece and
sent out with the press releases and to media inquiries.

Regards,
Stephen Bassett
Paradigm Research Group
ParadigmRG@aol.com









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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:05:31 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:42:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>  From: CFQ 2 <CFQ2@aol.com> [Charles F. Quinn Jr.]
>  Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:36:59 EST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>  >From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>  >To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >Subject: The Threat
>  >Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

>  on Tuesday 06 Jan. 1998 Greg Sandow wrote, in part...

>  >There's been a lot of talk about David Jacobs new book
>  >the one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the
>  >lurid title. Yes it is really called the "THREAT", meaning of
>  >course the alien threat.....

>  >for the first time, too, at least in print, he takes issue - - --
>  >in great detail with John Mack and other abduction researchers
>  >who believe that the aliens are benevolent...

>  >Though even if we accept his method, there's one thing about the
>  >book that I don't understand. He seems to base his most far-reaching
>  >conclusions on reports from just a handful of abductees- - -
>  > a dozen or so......."

>  That's one of the problems with Dr.(???) David Jacobs. Unlike
>  John Mack, he is very short on real credentials. John Mack is an
>  M.D., Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical
>  School, who embarked upon his nationwide research into the
>  abduction phenomenon on a grant of One half a Million Dollars
>  from Lawrence Rockefeller. His book ABDUCTION--- 33 weeks on the
>  New York Times bestseller list- -- was a very scientific research
>  effort, which neither negated nor asserted the validity of the
>  abduction phenomenon. He only speculated, that, in his opinion,
>  the people were NOT FABRICATING THEIR EXPERIENCES. Jacobs is not
>  an M.D., not even a D.O. He does not have a PH.D in Psychology.
>  His PH.D is in history and he teaches at Temple University in
>  Philadelphia. He is not a hypnotist nor qualified by training in
>  the fields of behavioral science to reach ANY CONCLUSIONS. I
>  questioned him in Springfield Ohio in September of 1997 and he
>  admitted that he personally only spoke to about a dozen
>  abductees. His conclusions, couched in book form, are better
>  suited to a Hollywood movie than reasoned research in this field
>  and he has a brazen nerve to question any thing that DOCTOR (real
>  doctor) John Mack has done.
>  CFQ2@aol.com

One observation:  People write books concerning areas they are
not credentialed or degreed in all the time.

*Most* journalists have degrees in journalism, not geology,
environment, crime, politics and so forth but yet many of the
books about such subjects come from journalists who are
considered experts even though they don't have a degree in that
field.

One of many reasons why they are considered experts is because of
the research and intense personal study and so forth put into
their book.

Stan Friedmans degree is in nuclear fission not UFOs
Kevin Randles degree is not in UFOs
Jim McDonald's degree was not in UFOs

So the next time you read a newspaper article, you are most
likely getting a news story about the environment/politics
written by a person who is does not have any kind of educational
degree in that field.

While I was personally not enamored with Jacobs' new book, it was
not because I considered him unqualified to write it or make
judgement calls.

Cheers,
Robert



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                 Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:58:29 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:59:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET

Errol in response to your posting of:

> From: http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad2.html

> To the President and Congress of the United States
> on the Matter of Extraterrestrial Related Phenomena

> Mr. President, Honorable Members of the House and Senate:

> The individuals identified below call your attention to the
> following: after 50 years the policy of government secrecy and
> misrepresentation regarding the presence of extraterrestrial life
> forms in our world is collapsing. This collapse is occurring due
> to the following factors:

<snip>

> If you have questions regarding this statement, or you are a
> current or former employee of the U. S. Government and wish to
> testify before Congress regarding your persoanl experience with
> evidence pertaining to extraterrestrial related phenomena, you
> may contact one of the following organizations for confidential
> assistance:

> Paradigm Research Group
> 4938 Hampden Lane,
> #161
> Bethesda, Maryland
> 20814
> 301-564-1820
> Fax: 301-564-4066
> ParadigmRG@aol.com

> CSETI
> P.O. Box 15401
> Asheville, NC
> 28813
> 704-274-5671
> Fax: 704-274-6766
> www.cseti.org

> Stargate International
> Coalition for Honesty in Government
> P.O. Box 85159, Tucson,
> AZ 85754
> 520-882-9544
> Fax: 520-882-4907
> Stargate@rtd.com

> Operation Right to Know
> 1322 Hamton Lane
> Schaumberg, IL
> 60193
> 847-605-4167
> Fax: 847-534-9508

> Enterprise Mission
> 10131 Coors Rd, NW,
> Suite 12-828
> Albuquerque, NM 87114
> 505-771-0761
> Fax: 505-771-0820

> Citizens Against
> UFO Secrecy
> P.O. Box 176
> Stoneham, MA
> 02180
> 860-675-6379
> Fax: 860-675-8491

_______________________________________________________________


Barry Greenwood has asked me to forward his response concerning
the CSETI letter to the U. S. President and Members of Congress.
Barry Greenwood and the Citizens Against UFO Secrecy  (CAUS) did
not and do not endorse CSETI and the other organziations listed
on letter, their actions or this letter.  CAUS seldom endorses
individuals or organizations.

If CAUS does endorse individuals and organizations, it will be
prominetly mentioned in its publication "Just Cause" or by an
officer of CAUS.  The address listed on the CSETI letter is the
correct address for CAUS.  The telephone number and fax number
are not.  These telephone numbers do not belong to a CAUS
representative or a CAUS member.

Years ago an organization named "Justice for Military Personnel"
(JMP) put out a scheme to obtain "amnesty" for active and former
military personnel who set aside their military security oaths
and testified about UFOs.  CAUS was listed as a supporter.  The
telephone number given in one JMP "news release" was the MUFON HQ
telephone number.  This was a hoax.  CAUS did not support this
JMP organization or this concept of "amnesty."  MUFON was not
connected with this organization or idea.

CAUS does not support CSETI or its "amnesty" program.  CSETI's
attempt to issue a unilateral declaration voiding security oaths
is without legal foundation.  It has no standing.

CAUS continues as its name clearly states to oppose UFO secrecy.
CAUS has and will fight such UFO secrecy by lawful means.  It is
the right of free people to dissent from government positions,
and attempt to change policies, laws, and regulations.  CAUS
intends to do all these things in legal manner.

PROJECT 1947 is the computer contact for Barry Greenwood and
"Just Cause."   Barry can be reached at my E-mail address:
jan@cyberzone.net.

_______________________________________________________________________


--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/










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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:05:10 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 23:18:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

Regarding...

>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
>From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

Jared wrote:

>Astronauts really are our salvation here. They bring that certain
>seriousness to ufology's image that it so richly needs.


A general query:

Which astronauts claim there is a 'cover up' and what evidence
have they cited?


James
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                         Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:20:12 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 00:01:42 -0500
Subject: Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

>  Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:28:46 -0700
>  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>  To: Updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

>  After so many reports of a "cooperative" facility under the
>  Archuleta mesa, it appears that NIDS actually looked into
>  matter.

>  from NIDS site source:
>  http://www.accessnv.com/nids/redding.shtml

>  Report on the Redding War Ranch at Mt. Archuleta, New Mexico -
>  Colorado Border

>  It has been reported in the media and on the internet that the
>  Redding War Ranch, located at 37? 2.91' north latitude and 107?
>  1.44' west longitude (GPS) next to Mt. Archuleta (straddling New
>  Mexico - Colorado border), is rumored to be an undercover
>  facility engaged in secret activity connected with Mt. Archuleta.
>  These rumors further state that the ranch has eight armed guard
>  watch towers scattered along the property. In addition, there is
>  an unusual round steel (and air conditioned) building located
>  behind a ranch entrance gate on the opposite side of the property
>  (37? 6.02' north latitude and 107? 2.85' west longitude - GPS).

>  A metal plaque prominently posted on a watch tower door
>  identified the manufacturer as Houston Blow Pipe & Steel Plate
>  Works (P.O. BOX 1692, Houston, TX 77251-1692, phone:
>  713-675-2273, FAX: 713-675-5038).

This explaination seems totally reasonable and I don't have any
reason to "disbelieve" it.

For arguments sake I would like to point out some thoughts:

1)  If this was something to do with the alleged Dulce
underground facility does anybody in their right mind think their
would be some kind of sign saying Welcome to the Underground
facility at Dulce:

Our Motto is "Where Aliens, Humans and Cows come together.

Last line was a small attempt at humor, but you get my point.

2) The US government had a nuclear proof undergound bunker built
at Greenbriar WV which was where Congress would evacuate to in
case of nuclear war.  There was quite a story about how it was
built underneath a "resort hotel", how only the top one or two
people knew its real purpose, while the everyday employees
thought they were working for some corporation.  The corporation
had a head office, staff.

The corporation was actually a shell cover for the US Govt.

Big story about this back in Time magazine when the existance of
the facility was finally released, how their was a nuclear proof
chamber for both houses of Congress to meet in, how if anybody
died from Radiation their bodies would be cremated etc etc.

So who actually knows.

>  Having seen the towers and being interested in their origin and
>  purpose, a simple phone call was made to the phone number above.
>  It was learned during the phone conversation that the President
>  and CEO of the company is Mr. W. A. Redding. Contrary to the
>  myths that have been perpetuated, a simple explanation was
>  provided by Mr. Redding.

>  1) Mr. Redding stated that the watch towers are actually hunting
>  stands with the brand name "The Ultimate Hunting Stand." The
>  hunting stands on the ranch are weather proof-heavy gauge steel
>  construction (5 feet diameter, 850 pounds est. total weight)
>  equipped with 10 feet high steel angle frame supports, steel
>  ladder or a steel walk-up type stairway with steel pipe hand
>  railing, propane heater and tank, five large one way mirror-pane
>  plate glass (hinged and latched) windows (hunters can see out,
>  but game cannot see inside), swivel chair, and indoor-outdoor
>  carpet on floor and side wall. Further, the stands are used for
>  photographing game and birds, and hunting of game (deer, elk,
>  javelina, moose, sheep and turkeys). According to published
>  literature, the stands have been in production since 1963 and
>  employ 75 years of hunting and 60 years of steel fabrication
>  experience in their design for all-weather hunting.

>  2) The round steel building is a bunk house for ranch hands
>  designed and manufactured by Mr. Redding's Houston steel company.
>  The bunk house design employs the same all-weather heavy gauge
>  steel construction as the hunting stands along with air
>  conditioning and fuel-oil heater. It is not currently being used.

I tend to believe this BUT

IF this was something to deflect attention away from some alleged
base, does anybody think the people telling the cover story would
say:  "Oh yea, we do experiments on cows, humans and aliens and
have 14 sublevels  just come on by and we will give you the grand
tour...."

>  3) The owner of the Redding War Ranch is Mr. Redding himself. He
>  can be contacted at the phone number given above.

>  4) The Redding War Ranch is used to raise small herds of
>  Beefalo.

Hmm, I wonder how an Beefalo/Alien hybred burger would taste
like......... :) :)

>  RINS 1591

Cheers,
Robert









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                          Re: UPN 'Abduction' video

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:19:08 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN 'Abduction' video

Hi All,

Well the promos are out for the UPN special about the videotape
of an (alleged) abduction that took place in Canada this past
"Thanksgiving." Apparently some 'Canadians' take American culture
too seriously and celebrate "Thanksgiving" along with the rest of
us yanks. I figure it's an insidious plot by the American Turkey
Growers Association to eventually take over the world!

Sorry, I digress.

From the few clips I got to see during the promo I'm -real glad-
I didn't participate! Make up your own minds. It's skeded to air
on January 20th on the UPN network. (Check your local listings
for time)

I plan to pop some of Orville's corn for the occasion.
It looks to be interesting though, there are screaming teenage
girls, family members running every which way in expected
pandemonium and hysteria, plus some guy (Dad?) screaming and
waving a shotgun around in a room full of freaked out family
members!

(Which isn't a bad idea! At the next family gathering you can
claim that you thought your mother-in-law was an alien trying to
probe your rectum so you blew the old-biddy's face off with
"Betsy" -your trusty old 12 guage- in self defense! <G>)

There's also a quick clip of the kid that made the video showing
him sitting in front of the camera tearfully reporting to his
future audience, (how thoughtful of him to have considered -us-
as his family is being kidnapped by aliens!) that he doesn't
think they are going to make it! I tend to agree, only for a
different set of reasons.

I'm a huge MST3K fan, this one looks like a good candidate for
the boys at DEEP13! It wouldn't be as good as say the, "Creepy
Girl" episode but it shows the potential to come darn close. If
they ever turn this into a movie they ought to get Earl
Holloman to play the father! <G>

After I refused to appear they called me back and they asked if
they could use some of my art and a copy of the IF website
Homepage, and at $100. bucks a pop I gleefully agreed!
So you'll be seeing some of my art in the background. I don't
feel 'guilty' about taking $ for my own artwork I just won't
allow them to present me as any kind of "alien expert"! I'm a
graphic artist by trade and I've been getting paid for that for
almost twenty years so I see no conflict of interest.

So much moola-boola being spread about while "good" research guys
end up scratching around to support their full time "hobby!" What
an injustice.

John Velez, Missing Joel Hodgson! Misty #1276










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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:06:34 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:22:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


>  Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:05:10 -0500
>  From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>  >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
>  >From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>  >Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>  Jared wrote:

>  >Astronauts really are our salvation here. They bring that certain
>  >seriousness to ufology's image that it so richly needs.

>  A general query:

>  Which astronauts claim there is a 'cover up' and what evidence
>  have they cited?


Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell.

They offer only personal assessment of what they have learned
from associates and some personal events.  They have not come
forward with tangible documentation.  However, it is appropriate
to consider that the extent to which they have commented has
almost certainly taken into account their National Security
Obligations which neither has renounced.

Steve Bassett
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             Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS

From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:37:44 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:30:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS


>  Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:58:29 -0800
>  From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
          PhenomenaI

In a message dated 98-01-07 23:46:03 EST, you write:

>  Barry Greenwood has asked me to forward his response concerning
>  the CSETI letter to the U. S. President and Members of Congress.
>  Barry Greenwood and the Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS) did
>  not and do not endorse CSETI and the other organziations listed
>  on letter, their actions or this letter.  CAUS seldom endorses
>  individuals or organizations.

CAUS's inclusion with the letter as a contact group arose after
disussions with Peter Gersten and Larry Bryant.  An assumption on
my part that these discussions were being carried to Mr.
Greenwood and Mr. Aldrich was incorrect and my fault entirely.

Inclusion as a contact for the ad/letter is only a matter of
endorsing the content and I have taken care not imply cross-group
endorsement.   I am a beliver that the commonalities between
individuals and groups in this process outweigh the differences.

>  If CAUS does endorse individuals and organizations, it will be
>  prominetly mentioned in its publication "Just Cause" or by an
>  officer of CAUS.  The address listed on the CSETI letter is the
>  correct address for CAUS.  The telephone number and fax number
>  are not.  These telephone numbers do not belong to a CAUS
>  representative or a CAUS member.

This was an error arising out of a misunderstanding and is being
corrected as quickly as possible.

>  Years ago an organization named "Justice for Military Personnel"
>  (JMP) put out a scheme to obtain "amnesty" for active and former
>  military personnel who set aside their military security oaths
>  and testified about UFOs.  CAUS was listed as a supporter.  The
>  telephone number given in one JMP "news release" was the MUFON HQ
>  telephone number.  This was a hoax.  CAUS did not support this
>  JMP organization or this concept of "amnesty."  MUFON was not
>  connected with this organization or idea.

The current project is not related in any way to this earlier
project.

>  CAUS does not support CSETI or its "amnesty" program.  CSETI's
>  attempt to issue a unilateral declaration voiding security oaths
>  is without legal foundation.  It has no standing.

None of the projects, including the letter/ad destined for the
Wash. Post, which I have discussed publicly as ongoing are
unilateral. The Congressional hearing effort seeks a "waiver" of
non-disclosure agreements solely for the purpose of the hearings
and only pertaining to UFO evidence.  The same applies to the
matter of  amnesty, a view which is shared by many groups and
individuals.  This is, however, a controversial and important
issue.  I would welcome the opportunity to debate the merits of
this concept with Jan or anyone else who feels strongly on the
matter.

>  CAUS continues as its name clearly states to oppose UFO secrecy.
>  CAUS has and will fight such UFO secrecy by lawful means.  It is
>  the right of free people to dissent from government positions,
>  and attempt to change policies, laws, and regulations.  CAUS
>  intends to do all these things in legal manner.

I agree completely.  It is also the right of all citizens to
petition and address their representatives.  Because of CAUS'
long history in seeking disclosure and its pioneering efforts
with the FOIA, it would be appropriate to have its support for
the ongoing political projects.  Perhaps common ground can be
found and I look forward to discussing this possiblity with
CAUS's executives.

Regards,

Stephen Bassett
Paradigm Research Group
ParadigmRG@aol.com



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                 Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebbeca Keith]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:54:23 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:36:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US President & Congress on ET

>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:58:29 -0800
>From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
          Phenomena

> CAUS does not support CSETI or its "amnesty" program.  CSETI's
>  attempt to issue a unilateral declaration voiding security oaths
>  is without legal foundation.  It has no standing.

>  CAUS continues as its name clearly states to oppose UFO secrecy.
>  CAUS has and will fight such UFO secrecy by lawful means.  It is
>  the right of free people to dissent from government positions,
>  and attempt to change policies, laws, and regulations.  CAUS
>  intends to do all these things in legal manner.

>  PROJECT 1947 is the computer contact for Barry Greenwood and
>  "Just Cause."   Barry can be reached at my E-mail address:
>  jan@cyberzone.net.

Once again something Steven Greer is involved with tries to ride
the coattails of serious research. We saw this when Greer used
the Coalition's Briefing Document and I'm sure there are other
examples.

Rebecca








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                   AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:59:46 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:39:35 -0500
Subject: AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: Study: Asteroid Could Flood Coast
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:33:59 EST

Study: Asteroid Could Flood Coast

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - If a 3-mile-wide rock from space smashed into
the Atlantic Ocean it would drown most of the upper East Coast in
the largest tidal wave in recorded history, a study finds.

Astrophysicist Jack Hills of the Los Alamos National Laboratory,
heading a team to investigate such things, said Wednesday
findings by his group leads to the conclusion that such a
disaster from outer space is not far-fetched.

Any 100-year period, a lifetime for many people, has a 2 percent
to 3 percent chance that an asteroid would splash into either the
Pacific or Atlantic ocean and cause widespread coastal flooding.

An asteroid striking water at thousands of miles an hour could
send a 300-foot-tall wall of water racing across the ocean at the
speed of a jet plane, Hills said. The wave would stop only after
it smashed ashore, and as the water retreated over many square
miles, it would scour the land, rip apart buildings, erode vast
areas.

The result, Hills said: disaster.

``The damage would be unprecedented in human history,'' said
Hills, speaking at the national meeting of the American
Astronomical Society. ``It would kill millions of people and
cause billions in damage.''

Based on computer simulations of what would ensue if an asteroid
smashed into the central Atlantic, Hills said all of Delaware,
Maryland and Virginia would be inundated. In New York, Long
Island and Manhattan would be swamped.

Florida would sustain little damage. Hills said shallow water on
a gently sloping continental shelf would protect the Sunshine
State. All except Miami, which lies on a deep bay that would
suddenly rise up and wash away the city.

Across the Atlantic, the coasts of France, Portugal and part of
Spain would be drowned. England, protected by a shallow waters,
would be little affected.

A Pacific Ocean asteroid strike midway between Hawaii and San
Francisco would launch an ocean wave that would roll over much of
Honolulu and flood the Los Angeles basin, bisecting Santa
Catalina Island. Across the Pacific, such a wave would wash away
coastal cities and towns in Japan, a country that already has
lost thousands of lives to tidal waves, or tsunamis, caused by
earthquakes.

Hills estimated on the basis of his studies that an asteroid more
than 600 feet in diameter will strike one of the Earth's oceans
at least once every 3,000 to 5,000 years. If a person lives for
100 years, then there is about one chance in 50 of being alive
when an asteroid tidal wave occurs, he said.

Hills said geologists have found evidence of such occurrences in
the past. The impact of an asteroid several miles in diameter is
thought to have helped wipe out the dinosaurs 65 million years
ago.

In Hawaii, geologists have found ocean coral deposited on a
hillside 90,000 years ago by a tsunami that may have been 1,000
feet high.

Hills said that if an asteroid ocean strike were detected, people
would have no more than three hours' warning before the mountain
of water traveling hundreds of miles an hour rolled over land.

Astronomical satellites possibly could detect an approaching
asteroid, said Hills, but current technology could not prevent
Earth from being smashed.

AP-NY-01-08-98 0331EST

Copyright 1997 The Associated Press.  The information  contained
in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten
or otherwise distributed without  prior written authority of The
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                               UPN Programming

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:59:56 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:41:59 -0500
Subject: UPN Programming

UPN Announces Slate of Wide Appealing Primetime Specials

    LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Jan. 7, 1998--


"UFO Sighting!" airing Wednesday, March 11 (9-10 p.m., ET/PT)
(corrected airdate)

From executive producers Henry Winkler and Ann Daniel
("Sightings"), this riveting one-hour special centers around
never-before-seen video footage of a recent UFO sighting in
Mexico City, and explores the phenomenon of unidentified flying
objects while examining other recent, mysterious observations in
the night sky. Stephen Kroopnick  is the co-executive producer.

The special is produced by Fair Dinkum and Ann Daniel in
association with Paramount Network  Television.

CONTACT:

UPN, Los Angeles

Patti McTeague, 310/575-7083

Rachel Peters, 310/575-7082









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                        UFO Report from a US Naval MP

From: "Ben Field" <ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:27:11 -0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:49:33 -0500
Subject: UFO Report from a US Naval MP

I thought this may be of interest to some of you, it is a UFO Report
reported on the B.U.F.O.D. Space, Above and Beyond website :

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk

All the best....Ben Field
ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

First name: Identity Secret
Surname: Identity Secret
Age: 29
Occupation: US Naval MP

Day: Monday
Month: November
Year: 1997
Time: 1:30 Am

Country: USA
Nearest town: Grand Prairie

Information of surrounding area: In Grand Prairie Texas. Hills
and several military compounds. On guard duty during the night
shift at G.P. Naval Air Station, No power lines, Convoy.

Event took place for [  ] minutes: 30

Information of the sighting: I along with two Naval Air Station
buddies were manning our posts this evening. It was a clear night
and almost every star could be seen in the sky. We were enjoying
some chit chatting when we heard the distant rumblings of
vehicles that were approcahing the S.W. gate.

We immediately manned our positions just in case. It was strange
to have anything come down this road especially at 1:00 in the
morning. As the noise approcahed a deafening roar, we saw the
details of a Caravan coming around the road ahead of us.

We just looked at each other because there was no guest roster in
our hands detailing any official visitation.

the Caravan stopped just short of the gate and to military
officers approached us from the leading Jeep.

I immediately rang the relay station and the control center.

After talking for a brief 10 seconds with the control officer in
the control center, another voice took hold of the mic.

Identifying himself as a Naval Commander which I wrote down but
cannot remember, he informed me to open the gates and to ignore
the visit.

I then received a call from the relay station where my commander
informed me of the same. I will not list his name here for
possible repurcussions.

The two men that approached us wore cams with no insignias. Their
M16's were not muffed so we knew they had live rounds.

They took the Roster I had filled in with the number of trucks,
jeeps, motorcycles and Commander Instructions.

I remember the number of vehicles...12 in all. The convoy
consisted of two large 18 wheeled trucks, 4 Large Flatbeds with
something tarped on them, 2 Jeeps, a Motorcycle and 3 Troop
Transport Trucks.

They looked like army issued but painted black except for the
tarps. We are trained to hold some attention to detail.
No Identification of any kind were given verbally or on the
vehicles.

We were scared at this point. Apparantly, we were not supposed to
know about this convoy.

There are at least 4 Large hangers where we house some of the
military aircraft that land.

They commandeered two of these hangers as we saw them drive
towards them and release the troops that were in the transport
trucks.

I must have counted at least 45 to 55 men taking up various
points around the hanger.

As we looked through our binoculars, it was clear to me that what
they were unloading was nothing I had ever seen before.

My buddies just stood there with there jaws hanging open. It was
an egg splt down the middle. Both were caged in what looked to me
a metal scafolding.

Each split of the egg shaped object was on each flatbed.
If you put them together...it would look just like an egg.
There were no doorways, no landing gear, no lights...no nothing!
Just a smooth half egg shaped looking thing.

One very strange thing besides it shape was that it had a mirror
reflection that made it look like it was almost transparent until
you realized it was mirroring what was around it. Med in lab
coats and clean suits began to unload many crates from the 18
wheelers.

I saw no other personel besides what looked to be lab coated
technicians, and the clean suited men.

All three of us were called at home later that evening by our
commander who informed us that we were relieved of duty beginning
the next day and that anything we saw would be denied by him and
any other military personel. I was really ticked off..this was my
livelihood yanked from me.

I called my buddies to confirm that they received the same
message. I wrote various letters to the Naval Air Station and my
commander because I thought I knew him personally...hell he's
been to my house!

I keep getting the run-around and now the tell me that there is
ni commander with that name at the facility.

I have made it my goal to continue this research until I get to
the bottom of it. You don't know my name now,
but you will hear it soon. I have managed to acquire many
documents concerning this convoy that "never happened" and plan
on going public with it in the near future.

I just want everyone to know my name when I do to keep them from
doing anything to me or my family.

There exists a video of the events mentioned due to the fact that
all exits and entrances to the bases are monitored.


The UFO Changed Colour: on

Estimated height of craft: 25 Feet High 50 feet Long

Information of noises around at the time: Convoy, trucks, motorcycle, and
miltary personnel

Were there any witnesses: Yes, 2.

Relationship of witness 1: Quartermaster
Relationship of witness 2: Private

Was there any photogrphic evidence: Yes, Camera

(Weather and Conditions) - Clear: on
(Weather and Conditions) - Dry: on
(Weather and Conditions) - Darkness: on

The UFO was sighted near or in a Military Airfield Establishment: on

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                          Re: UPN 'Abduction' vide

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:51:27 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:50:49 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN 'Abduction' vide


> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> Subject: UPN abduction video

> Hi All,

> Well the promos are out for the UPN special about the videotape
> of an (alleged) abduction that took place in Canada this past
> "Thanksgiving." Apparently some 'Canadians' take American culture
> too seriously and celebrate "Thanksgiving" along with the rest of
> us yanks. I figure it's an insidious plot by the American Turkey
> Growers Association to eventually take over the world!

> Sorry, I digress.

Hi John,

Just so you Americans know. Canadians do celebrate Thanksgiving
each year but at the more civilized time of mid October. That way
we can replenish our coffers for the Chistmas onslaught, giving
us an extra month to get ready. Also I'm am under the impression
that that the "turkeys" themselves took over the world a long
time ago and are not indigenous to the United States. :-)

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From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:51:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:52:44 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:29:22 -0800
> From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> Excellent analysis, Greg.  And even better questions.  Methinks
> that Jacobs suffers from a myopia which often affects researchers
> of all types, including those studying cold fusion.

[cold fusion analogy regretfully snipped]

> Such is the same with alien visitation.  Our own experiments with
> genetic manipulation serve as the basis for Jacobs' theory.  One
> cannot fault him here because he is following the dictum of
> Ockham's Razor. However, he has restricted his view to a very
> narrow subset of the alien phenomenon.

> If we consider only the greys and the most common abduction
> reports, cannot Dr. Brown's explanation in Cosmic Voyage be just
> as valid, ie that the greys are seeking to re-engineer emotion
> into their own race?

> I'm just wary of accepting any "answers" to such a broad ranging
> phenomenon.

Terry, Dave allows for that possibility in his book. I couldn't
summarize everything, but probably should have mentioned this --
that the grays (all three varieties of them) apparently need some
kind of vitality that they feel we can provide.

As for Dave assuming that the aliens practice our own conception
of genetics...I know what you mean, and that kind of
anthropomorphic thinking gets truly ludicrous in a UFO context.
(Worse example: Skeptics who just know UFOs can't be alien
because, damn it, aliens just wouldn't behave like that!)

But Dave's not guilty of it. For better or worse, he says he has
his information directly from the horse's mouth, or, anyway, at
least the pony's mouth -- he says the hybrids have been telling
abductees the purpose of the project. He's just passing on what
they've said.

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             Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:37:54 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:56:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Letter To US Pres/Cong - clarification viz CAUS


> From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:37:44 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: letter to Pres./Cong.-some clarification of Jan Aldrich's remarks

> >  Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 19:58:29 -0800
> >  From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Letter To US President & Congress on ET Related
>           PhenomenaI

> In a message dated 98-01-07 23:46:03 EST, you write:

> >  Barry Greenwood has asked me to forward his response concerning
> >  the CSETI letter to the U. S. President and Members of Congress.
> >  Barry Greenwood and the Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS) did
> >  not and do not endorse CSETI and the other organziations listed
> >  on letter, their actions or this letter.  CAUS seldom endorses
> >  individuals or organizations.

> CAUS's inclusion with the letter as a contact group arose after
> disussions with Peter Gersten and Larry Bryant.  An assumption on
> my part that these discussions were being carried to Mr.
> Greenwood and Mr. Aldrich was incorrect and my fault entirely.

Mr. Bassett if you had ended it there this would be fine.
However, appartently, your claifications now needs some
clarifications.

> Inclusion as a contact for the ad/letter is only a matter of
> endorsing the content and I have taken care not imply cross-group
> endorsement.   I am a beliver that the commonalities between
> individuals and groups in this process outweigh the differences.

CAUS and Greenwood disavow your letter.

Your assumption based on your conversations is an interesting
excuse.  However, the contact telephone and fax numbers belonging
to someone not on the CAUS' list and not a CAUS reprsentative
and, indeed, belong to a person who is antagonistic toward
Greenwood and CAUS.  Seems this requires some explanation, since
you seem to want to explain yourself.  It would seem that this is
not based on assumption or an act of ommission, but an act of
commission.

> >  If CAUS does endorse individuals and organizations, it will be
> >  prominetly mentioned in its publication "Just Cause" or by an
> >  officer of CAUS.  The address listed on the CSETI letter is the
> >  correct address for CAUS.  The telephone number and fax number
> >  are not.  These telephone numbers do not belong to a CAUS
> >  representative or a CAUS member.

> This was an error arising out of a misunderstanding and is being
> corrected as quickly as possible.

I think that is appreciated by all concerned.

> >  Years ago an organization named "Justice for Military Personnel"
> >  (JMP) put out a scheme to obtain "amnesty" for active and former
> >  military personnel who set aside their military security oaths
> >  and testified about UFOs.  CAUS was listed as a supporter.  The
> >  telephone number given in one JMP "news release" was the MUFON HQ
> >  telephone number.  This was a hoax.  CAUS did not support this
> >  JMP organization or this concept of "amnesty."  MUFON was not
> >  connected with this organization or idea.

> The current project is not related in any way to this earlier
> project.

> >  CAUS does not support CSETI or its "amnesty" program.  CSETI's
> >  attempt to issue a unilateral declaration voiding security oaths
> >  is without legal foundation.  It has no standing.

> None of the projects, including the letter/ad destined for the
> Wash. Post, which I have discussed publicly as ongoing are
> unilateral. The Congressional hearing effort seeks a "waiver" of
> non-disclosure agreements solely for the purpose of the hearings
> and only pertaining to UFO evidence.  The same applies to the
> matter of  amnesty, a view which is shared by many groups and
> individuals.  This is, however, a controversial and important
> issue.  I would welcome the opportunity to debate the merits of
> this concept with Jan or anyone else who feels strongly on the
> matter.

Dr. Greer's unilateral declaration is clearly documented in the
archives of this list.  CAUS disavows such actions and ideas. If
Dr. Greer has changed his position, I am sure that Mr. Bassett
and Greer's supporters will let us know.  See for example:

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/jan/m01-016.shtml

CAUS clearly states it does not support this action.

> >  CAUS continues as its name clearly states to oppose UFO secrecy.
> >  CAUS has and will fight such UFO secrecy by lawful means.  It is
> >  the right of free people to dissent from government positions,
> >  and attempt to change policies, laws, and regulations.  CAUS
> >  intends to do all these things in legal manner.

> I agree completely.  It is also the right of all citizens to
> petition and address their representatives.  Because of CAUS'
> long history in seeking disclosure and its pioneering efforts
> with the FOIA, it would be appropriate to have its support for
> the ongoing political projects.  Perhaps common ground can be
> found and I look forward to discussing this possiblity with
> CAUS's executives.

There are vast differences in approach here, and quite frankly,
integrity problems to be resolved before that happens.  These
facts remain:

1.  CAUS does not support this letter.

2.  CAUS does not support or endorse CSETI or other organizations
    listed therein.

3.  CAUS does not support Greer's unilateral declaration voiding
    security oaths.

Further:

The CAUS reply was coordinated with Peter Gersten before I sent
it to UFO Updates.

 --
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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:26:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> > From: CFQ 2 <CFQ2@aol.com> [Charles F. Quinn Jr.]
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:36:59 EST
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> > That's one of the problems with Dr.(???) David Jacobs. Unlike
> > John Mack, he is very short on real credentials. John Mack is an
> > M.D., Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical
> > School, who embarked upon his nationwide research into the
> > abduction phenomenon on a grant of One half a Million Dollars
> > from Lawrence Rockefeller. His book ABDUCTION--- 33 weeks on the
> > New York Times bestseller list- -- was a very scientific research
> > effort, which neither negated nor asserted the validity of the
> > abduction phenomenon. He only speculated, that, in his opinion,
> > the people were NOT FABRICATING THEIR EXPERIENCES. Jacobs is not
> > an M.D., not even a D.O. He does not have a PH.D in Psychology.
> > His PH.D is in history and he teaches at Temple University in
> > Philadelphia. He is not a hypnotist nor qualified by training in
> > the fields of behavioral science to reach ANY CONCLUSIONS. I
> > questioned him in Springfield Ohio in September of 1997 and he
> > admitted that he personally only spoke to about a dozen
> > abductees. His conclusions, couched in book form, are better
> > suited to a Hollywood movie than reasoned research in this field
> > and he has a brazen nerve to question any thing that DOCTOR (real
> > doctor) John Mack has done.
> > CFQ2@aol.com

Dave has talked to more than 100 abductees. That's what he says
in The Threat. When he wrote Secret Life, he'd talked to 60 or
so, if memory serves.

Mack's book, in my view, is the worst ever published on UFOs, if
you match the credentials of the writer with what he produced.
It's naive and credulous. His procedure was anything but
scientific -- essentially he believes what the abductees tell
him, without examining in detail the possibility of fantasy, or
hypnotic confabulation. That laid him wide open for the scam
Donna Bassett pulled, when she pretended to have seen Kennedy and
Khruschev on a UFO at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Mack
didn't treat her claim with any skepticism. He didn't write about
it in his book, but he apparently believed what she was saying,
to judge from her comments, and from an extract from a tape of
her hypnosis session.

Dave's procedure appears to be quite careful and scientific,
whatever his credentials.

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Este]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:22:20 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:17:33 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Threat
>Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

>There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
>one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.

<<Big Snip>>

>Multiply this example by every detail of an abduction account,
>and you'll have an idea of Dave's method, which is Budd
>Hopkins's, too. This draws a strong line between them and, let's
>say, Kevin Randle, who in his new book on reported alien
>encounters says that the 150 abductees he's interviewed say
>they've seen a wider variety of alien types than Budd and Dave
>report. Dave, I think, would reply that the abductees aren't
>remembering correctly, and that Kevin is wrong to take their
>accounts at face value.

Greg,

Is the Kevin Randle Book that you mention "Faces of the Visitors"
by Kevin Randle and Russ Estes ?? <Grin> (Blatant Plug)

If so, the very reason that 'Faces of the Visitors' was produced
is the fact that most of the attention given to Alien Abduction
is directed at the Classic Gray Alien.  From the reports given by
over 150 Abductees, Contactees, and Observers, the classic Gray
seem to be the vocal minority.  Kudos on a fine review.

Russ Estes
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                         Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:42:08 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:22:02 -0500
Subject: Re: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

Robert Gates wrote:

> From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:20:12 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

<snip, re: NIDS Dulce "investigation">

> IF this was something to deflect attention away from some alleged
> base, does anybody think the people telling the cover story would
> say:  "Oh yea, we do experiments on cows, humans and aliens and
> have 14 sublevels  just come on by and we will give you the grand
> tour...."

LOL! Indeed!

Well, I have done a great deal of hunting from stands and blinds
and can tell you that any stand built as described would frighten
the hell out of most wild game.  Of course, many hunting parties
concentrated more on the "party" than the "hunt". :)  Anyway, I
decided to do a Metacrawler search on NIDS' information relayed
by Jared:

> > Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:28:46 -0700
> > From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> > To: Updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: NIDS refutes Dulce Myth

<snip>

> >  1) Mr. Redding stated that the watch towers are actually hunting
> >  stands with the brand name "The Ultimate Hunting Stand." The
> >  hunting stands on the ranch are weather proof-heavy gauge steel
> >  construction (5 feet diameter, 850 pounds est. total weight)
> >  equipped with 10 feet high steel angle frame supports, steel
> >  ladder or a steel walk-up type stairway with steel pipe hand
> >  railing, propane heater and tank, five large one way mirror-pane
> >  plate glass (hinged and latched) windows (hunters can see out,
> >  but game cannot see inside), swivel chair, and indoor-outdoor
> >  carpet on floor and side wall. Further, the stands are used for
> >  photographing game and birds, and hunting of game (deer, elk,
> >  javelina, moose, sheep and turkeys). According to published
> >  literature, the stands have been in production since 1963 and
> >  employ 75 years of hunting and 60 years of steel fabrication
> >  experience in their design for all-weather hunting.

<snip>

and found "The Ultimate Stand" at:

http://www.busdir.com/wedge/index.html

but it is nothing like that described in the NIDS report.  There
was no listing on "The Ultimate Hunting Stand".  Needless to say,
I'm a bit skeptical about the explanation; although, it is likely
true.  Not everything is on the web . . . yet.

Terry





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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:23 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 15:44:24 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
> To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: The Threat
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

> There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
> one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.
> Yes, it's really called "The Threat," meaning of course the alien
> threat, and I thought I might describe it more or less
> objectively, before the sniping at it gets too confusing.
<snip>

Greg, I'd say that you did a wonderful job.

Does Dave ever discuss the biology of this hybridization?  For,
in order to cross an non-terrestrial being directly with a human,
some very interesting DNA manipulation would have to be done. In
fact, for this to work at all, the alien biology would have to be
so close to ours that there must be a recent common ancestor....
possibly an early group of abductees. It is certainly difficult,
given the thousands of reproductive methods available right here
on earth, to imagine that a race of aliens just happen to have
the correct plumbing with which to interface with humans. I tend
to dismiss the entire idea for several reasons but anything is
possible and it leads to some interesting speculation.

Whichever alien types are 'in charge', apparently do not have the
capability of simply coming here and taking over.  They have to
resort to convoluted methods of interbreeding, the purpose of
which is unclear at best, given that interbreeding an alien with
a human (I still have a very hard time with this one) will
produce an entity that is as much human as alien, so 'they' are
as likely to be co-opted as we are.  Especially if the aliens
have the emotions described.

Apparently they feel the necessity of keeping their presence a
secret until they are ready to do whatever they want to do.
Considering our propensity for violence on a worldwide scale,
they may remain secluded for the simple reason that they are
afraid to make themselves known. I would not think this to be an
entirely unwarranted fear at all.  There is so much talk about
aliens attempting to subjugate the human race that odds are
pretty good they would be shot on sight if they attempted overt
contact. All of the abduction reports are pretty unpleasant and I
suppose that UPN 'abduction' video will fuel the fires even
more.

If they were really here and had an agenda, and (presumably)
telepathic powers, one would expect them to have the ability to
use some of these powers to promote that agenda.  But the signals
that the majority of the population see are mixed (Close
Encounters/Independence Day).  How can we ever expect any
rational extraterrestial race to contact us at this rate?
If they ARE here, they might be trying to contact us the only way
they can...by attempting to create a race of beings that we will
have to accept because we will not be able to tell the
difference.  I do not subscribe to this idea either.  I think we
should try to figure out IF they are here before we start
speculating about WHY they are here and go from there.

Personally, I think if Dave has access to a sufficient number of
abductees to develop a thesis, he should theoretically be able to
ask the 'right' questions to determine who is selected for
abduction, and when, where and why.  If there is even a remote
possibility of any substance to the abduction theory as proposed
in 'Secret Life'  and 'The Threat'  (or any others involving
actual contact), then the test would seem to be whether or not we
could obtain enough information to select our own candidate for
abduction.

Why kidnap humans if there are sufficient volunteers?  I would
guess that there ARE sufficient volunteers. An alien entity
(again, with telepathic powers), cannot fail to realize that
there are thousands, if not millions of people who would gladly
endure an abduction for the chance of actually communicating with
him...or her...or it.  I would suggest that a valid test of an
abduction story would be that the abductee is able to bring back
sufficient information to allow the next group of abductees to
meet at a prearranged site, with witnesses present, for their
abduction.

This should work no matter what the alien agenda might be, with
one or two possible exceptions. If alien cultures were using the
earth as some sort of amusement park or brothel, they might be
hesitant to do this in the open. Or they might be violating some
galactic rule.  Even so, the thought of willing volunteers might
stimulate them. Whatever they are doing (if they exist), would be
much easier with our help than without it, and some of the
population would help no matter what.

99% of all contact stories must be fabrications whether
intentional or unintentional and stories developed under hypnosis
are suspect in any case. Even so, if just one person established
a meaningful dialog, they would be able to demonstrate it to the
rest of us by arranging a physical contact. If anyone is in a
position to do that, they should. I would be happy to be a
contactee and I won't shoot.

Aloha
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                     Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:26:32 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:45:38 -0500
Subject: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico

Hi list,


This is a forwarded sighting. Anyone else who has seen this?



I would like to report a personal sighting which occurred on Jan 5 at
3:30 am on the beach at Puerto Vallerta, Mexico.  I am an airline pilot
with over 30 years flying experience, including 24 years as a fighter
pilot in the USAF and Air National Guard.  While standing on the beach
and looking at the stars with another airline pilot, I observed a
reddish colored light which I initially thought was a meteorite, move
rapidly from east to west nearly directly overhead.  As I pointed out
the light to my companion, the object suddenly changed directions by
about 135 degrees of turn and very sharply.  The movement defied any
laws of flight and physics that I am aware of.  The light made another
rapid change of course back to a westerly heading, then disappeared out
of sight.  I was so startled that I immediately confirmed with my
companion what I had just seen.  I have never seen any flying object
perform this type of manuevering before.

            __________________________________________
           /    Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes    \
                      Henny van der Pluijm
                      hvdp@worldonline.nl

                       Technology Pages
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                   Re: Photos Support Theory of New Planet

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:30:09 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:47:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Photos Support Theory of New Planet

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: Photos Support Theory of New Planet
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:58:48 EST

Photos Support Theory of New Planet

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - A bulging warp spotted in photos of a star
called Beta Pictoris may be the gravitational wake of a large
planet plowing through the star's dusty halo, astronomers say.

The pictures boost the theory that one or more planets have
formed about Beta Pictoris, a young, bright star 63 light-years
from the sun, Sally Heap, a NASA astronomer, said Thursday.

The pictures, taken by a new camera on the Hubble Space
Telescope, focus on the disk or halo of dust and gas that rotates
around the star. Instead of having a smooth flow, the disk has a
large bulge in one quadrant.

Heap said the bulge could only be shaped by the orbital path of a
large planet, perhaps one many times larger than Jupiter, the
largest planet orbiting the sun.

``We can't see it (the planet), but we can see the effects of its
gravitational pull,'' Heap said at a news conference by the
American Astronomical Society.

Radio astronomy studies have suggested the presence of planets
around more than a dozen other stars, but this is the strongest
evidence yet in visible light of a possible planet. It adds to an
earlier study that suggested planets were forming about Beta
Pictoris.

To make a photo search for a planet, astronomers had to block the
light from the very center of Beta Pictoris. This allowed the
Hubble to photograph the star's disk.

Heap said the picture clearly shows that one side of the disk
swirls outward in a bulge ``that could only be formed by a
planet.''

Beta Pictoris has long fascinated astronomers because it is about
eight times brighter than the sun, apparently very young and
relatively close to the solar system.

Heap said the star is 20 million to 100 million years, just a
fraction of the sun's 4.5 billion to 5 billion years.

But despite the young age, said Heap, the star apparently already
has planets forming. This suggests, she said, that planets form
very early in the life of a solar system.

``When we study Beta Pictoris, it tells us things about how solar
systems, such as ours, formed,'' she said.

The case for a planet about the star is strengthened by a study
that found the dust in the Beta Pictoris disk is of the same
composition as the dust found in comets in the solar system.

Sergio Fajardo-Acosta of the University of Denver said the dust
suggests that Beta Pictoris has a dense population of comets,
just as the solar system is thought to have had early in its
formation.

One major difference between the sun and Beta Pictoris, however,
is life expectancy.

Heap said that Beta Pictoris will probably burn out after about a
billion years, far sooner than the sun's expected life of about
10 billion years. This means that even if planets do form about
the star, it is unlikely they ever will develop the complex life
forms of an Earth-like planet, the astronomers said.

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:36:24 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:50:47 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:23 -1000


>> From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>> To: "UFO Updates (E-mail)" <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: The Threat
>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 23:39:54 -0500

Hi All,

Greg wrote,

>> There's been some talk here about David Jacobs's new book, the
>> one with the troubled yellow-green cover and the lurid title.
>> Yes, it's really called "The Threat," meaning of course the alien
>> threat, and I thought I might describe it more or less
>> objectively, before the sniping at it gets too confusing.
><snip>

Tom responds

>Greg, I'd say that you did a wonderful job.

I'd like to add, Yes Greg, you did!

Tom proposes,

>This should work no matter what the alien agenda might be, with
>one or two possible exceptions. If alien cultures were using the
>earth as some sort of amusement park or brothel, they might be
>hesitant to do this in the open. Or they might be violating some
>galactic rule.  Even so, the thought of willing volunteers might
>stimulate them. Whatever they are doing (if they exist), would be
>much easier with our help than without it, and some of the
>population would help no matter what.

Although there are many cases that report single contacts (Betty
& Barney Hill, Villas-Boas etc) a vast majority involve reports
of a lifetime of contact that begins in very early childhood and
continues throughout the lifetime of the experiencer.

There are also many reports that whole familys are involved which
indicates that they (the aliens) -may be- following certain
bloodlines! Specific genetic lineages. It would explain why so
very few are abducted in isolated one-off experiences that are
never repeated.

IF, that's the case then they already have everyone they want.
People outside of their "study" would simply be ignored or used
as a 'control group' at best. It might be worthwhile to assemble
a large group of abductees somewhere with the express purpose of
initiating a contact but I don't think you can just tempt them
with "fresh meat!" Wrong genes man! <G>

>99% of all contact stories must be fabrications whether
>intentional or unintentional and stories developed under hypnosis
>are suspect in any case. Even so, if just one person established
>a meaningful dialog, they would be able to demonstrate it to the
>rest of us by arranging a physical contact. If anyone is in a
>position to do that, they should. I would be happy to be a
>contactee and I won't shoot.

If they respond and come for you don't worry about being
able to shoot or not. Even if you wanted to I don't think you
could find the trigger much less pull it. You'll be far too
preoccupied with bladder and sphincter control issues! <EG>

Peace, John Velez





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                          Re: UPN 'Abduction' video

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:34:43 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:51:50 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN 'Abduction' video

> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> Subject: UPN abduction video

> Well the promos are out for the UPN special about the videotape
> of an (alleged) abduction that took place in Canada this past
> "Thanksgiving."

I saw the promo, and am pretty sure I recognized one of the kids
in it as Canadian actor Kristian Ayre.  Is this supposed to be
the actual video of the abduction, or a re-creation using actors?

-George Fergus








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                          Re: UPN 'Abduction' video

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:02:33 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:24:01 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN 'Abduction' video


>Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:51:27 +0100
>From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN 'Abduction' video


>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:27:59 -0500
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>> Subject: UPN abduction video

>> Hi All,

>> Well the promos are out for the UPN special about the videotape
>> of an (alleged) abduction that took place in Canada this past
>> "Thanksgiving." Apparently some 'Canadians' take American culture
>> too seriously and celebrate "Thanksgiving" along with the rest of
>> us yanks. I figure it's an insidious plot by the American Turkey
>> Growers Association to eventually take over the world!

>> Sorry, I digress.

>Hi John,

>Just so you Americans know. Canadians do celebrate Thanksgiving
>each year but at the more civilized time of mid October. That way
>we can replenish our coffers for the Chistmas onslaught, giving
>us an extra month to get ready. Also I'm am under the impression
>that that the "turkeys" themselves took over the world a long
>time ago and are not indigenous to the United States. :-)

>Don Ledger


Don, John,

The turkeys may not be indigenous to the US, but perhaps to
North America. During the period when the Pilgrim Fathers
lived in Leiden, around 3 km from where I live, they celebrated
the herring and white bread parties that were being held here
as celebration of the end of the Spanish siege. These parties
are still being held four centuries later at the even more
civilized time of October 3.

After the Pilgrim Fathers lived through their first few winters
on the American mainland, Thanksgiving was installed,
modelled after the herring and whitebread parties. By lack of
herring they used turkey. So over there with you turkeys rule,
here herring is king. I can see a herring outlet from here just
across the street.

Oh, the relevance to Ufology? To avoid a red herring,
do some cold turkey research.















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                  Re: UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Graham Birdsall

From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:27:51 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:44:29 -0500
Subject: Re: UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Graham Birdsall

UNITED KINGDOM UFO NETWORK

Saturday 10th January 1998

United Kingdom UFO Network special guest:

Graham W. Birdsall: World respected ufologist. Editor of UFO
MAGAZINE probably the best UFO magazine published in the UK.
Graham has recently returned from being a guest speaker at the
largest UFO conference ever, in Brazil. He will be telling us all
about it.

Graham will be answering your questions live in a moderated
meeting taking place at 11pm UK time on Saturday 10th January
1998.

http://www.ufomag.co.uk/

If you are using one of the dedicated IRC programs such as the
excellent MIRC available free from: http://www.mirc.co.uk/ enter
one of the below irc server addresses into your program. The
nearer the server to your location the faster the connection. If
one fails then try another.

If you wish to use your web browser to connect to the meetings,
see foot of page.

Once connected join channel #UFO

London.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
Harrow.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
Johnson-City.TN.US.UltraNet.Org
Mons.BE.EU.ultraNET.Org
PanamaCity.FL.US.UltraNET.org
Vicksburg.MS.US.UltraNET.org
Madison.NJ.US.UltraNet.Org
Bor.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Testlink.HK.UltraNet.Org
Neuilly.FR.EU.UltraNET.Org
San-Diego.CA.US.UltraNet.org

If you wish to use your java compatable web browser to connect to
the meeting i.e.

Netscape 3 ++
MS Internet Explorer 4 ++

go to url:

http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk/

Select 'Live IRC chat' button at the top left of page and follow
easy online instructions.

The meeting will commence live at the following world times. This
is not a definitive list. Times will vary depending on your part
of the world. We advise you to check for accuracy.

United Kingdom: 11pm
Auckland: 10am (Sunday)
Beijing: 6am (Sunday)
Berlin: Midnight
Cairo: 1am (Sunday)
Colorado Springs: 4pm
Hong Kong: 6am (Sunday)
Jo'Burg: Midnight
Las Vegas: 3pm
Los Angeles: 3pm
Moscow: 2am (Sunday)
New Delhi: 4am (Sunday)
New Orleans: 5pm
New York: 6pm
Paris: Midnight
Perth: 7am (Sunday)
Rio De Janeiro: 7pm
Riyadh: 1am (Sunday)
Rome: Midnight
Singapore: 6am (Sunday)
Sydney: 9am (Sunday)
Tel Aviv: 1am (Sunday)
Tokyo: 7am (Sunday)

We look forward to seeing you there.

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                   The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:25:33 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:25:33 -0500
Subject: The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine





There's been some reference here regarding the incarcaration of
LIUFON's John Ford. While browsing Graham Birdsall's UK UFO
Magazine at:

http://www.ufomag.co.uk/

I came across the following.

ebk

_______________________________________

THE JOHN FORD AFFAIR

As you read this, New York UFO activist John Ford is languishing
in jail awaiting trial for conspiracy. The circumstances of his
arrest and past involvement with an alleged UFO crash-retrieval
incident at Moriches Bay, Long Island, are profoundly disturbing.


BACKGROUND

John Ford founded the Long Island UFO Network in 1985. He
investigated UFO sightings and alleged abductions; held public
meetings and sponsored conferences; leafleted and organised
demonstrations. He also produced the Long Island UFO Newsletter,
which was regularly received and enjoyed by enthusiasts around
the globe.

It was in that newsletter that he first wrote of an extraordinary
incident which alleged that a UFO had been shot down in 1989 by
American military forces over Moriches Bay in Long Island.

He later claimed to have uncovered details of a similar crash in
1992 in South Haven Park and when an unidentified object
reportedly came to grief in the Pine Barrens region of Long
Island three years later, he insisted that fires in the region
had been deliberately lit to act as a diversion.

Despite consistent denials by the authorities that there was
anything untoward in any of these incidents, John persisted in
his claims, insisting that his sources were real and their
stories sincere.

He spoke of having gleaned his information from officials within
the New York City Police and Fire Departments; of members of the
public who claimed to have seen a fireball descend into South
Haven Park.

John Ford simply wouldn't take no for an answer and became a
genuine thorn in the side of the authorities. He repeated his
allegations through public meetings and demonstrations held
outside police headquarters.

THE ARREST

On 12 June 1996, John Ford was arrested in what Police later
described as a classic 'sting' operation. This followed the use
of telephone taps and a paid police informant who was 'wired' to
monitor and record conversations.

Almost a year earlier, Ford had confided to close friends and
associates that he was convinced he was the victim of a
deliberate plot to harass him. He went so far as to claim that
the plot might entail his penultimate murder.

Shortly after his arrest, Suffolk District Attorney James
Catterson, told journalists gathered for the press briefing that
Ford had been charged with conspiracy to murder and possession of
radium without a license.

The intended murder victim was alleged to be none other than John
Powell, leader of the Suffolk County Republican Party. The means
by which Ford intended to carry out the act? By placing
radioactive radium in Powell's toothpaste...

District Attorney Catterson held two press conferences and
compared the significance of Ford's arrest to that of the
infamous Unabomber. Other charges made at the time against Ford
were subsequently dropped, but the conspiracy to murder charge
was deemed serious enough for the Judge in the case to deem that
Ford's bail would be set at half-a-million dollars. Needless to
say, neither he nor his friends could raise such an amount and
Ford remains incarcerated in jail awaiting trial.

Surprisingly to some, he has issued no statement other than to
plead "not guilty" when the charges were first put to him.

Towards the end of last year, several concerned parties invoked
greater public awareness of Ford's plight by placing supportive
articles in prestigious UFO publications such as America's MUFON
(Mutual UFO Network) Journal (November 1996 issue) and the
Internet. They formed the aptly named John Ford Defence Committee
and began a fund raising campaign to help with his legal defence.
They also publicly appealed for an expert psychiatrist,
professional audiotape analyst and Long Island-based private
investigator to volunteer their efforts.

Those on the Committee are convinced of Ford's innocence and cite
numerous incidents and strange occurrences which led them to that
conclusion.

According to Committee Member Elaine Douglas, none of the media
mentioned claims of harassment by Ford and other LIUFON members
at the time of his arrest, nor she says, a higher than average
rate of auto-accidents experienced by Ford and his colleagues.
Members had their vehicles vandalised and one in particular, Joe
Mazzuchelli, is said to have been dragged out of his vehicle the
previous winter and physically beaten by four men who told him to
"stay out of our business". Mazzuchelli was arrested with John
Ford on 12 June.

WHAT DID JOHN FORD UNCOVER?

Ford, like many UFO researchers the world over, could only have
dreamed of the possibility that he might one day stumble across a
major UFO incident on his 'patch', at which he could assume the
role of leading investigator. The 1989 Moriches Bay incident
appeared to have afforded him such an opportunity.

His investigation of that particular affair contained a
suggestion that the technology used to bring down the purported
alien spacecraft originated at Brookhaven National Laboratory,
based on Long Island.

Elaine Douglas avoids the re-telling of what Ford uncovered about
the three incidents in her campaign literature, preferring
instead to concentrate on the man, and what she perceives to be a
case of injustice.

She does include a curious coincidence about Moriches Bay, which
may or may not offer food for thought. It was here that Ford
alleged a UFO had been brought down in 1989, but it is also the
spot where TWA Flight 800 mysteriously crashed in August last
year.

The cause of that disaster has thus far eluded Federal Law
enforcement and aviation investigators, despite twenty
eye-witness accounts from people who claim to have seen an
unaccountable light streaking towards the 747 aircraft moments
before it exploded.

Ford's knowledge of the legal system, put to such good effect in
his legitimate street demonstrations, stemmed from a career as a
court official working at the Suffolk County Court. Those who
knew him are adamant he was not capable of conspiring to murder
anyone - it simply wasn't in his character.

"You can't believe how many people have called me to say they
can't envision John Ford killing anyone, or even conceiving the
intention," said his attorney John Rouse.

He scoffs at the suggestion that Ford could covertly enter the
Powell household of four people, select the particular toothpaste
used by the man of the house and implant radium in order to kill
him.

Elaine Douglas points out that in the 1920's, radium-dial
painters used to lick their brushes out of habit and it took 40
years before anyone contracted cancer.

She asked: "Was Ford going to break in and put radium in Powell's
toothpaste every week for 40 years until he got cancer?"

The prosecution's arguments are further strained she argues by
their contention that the illegal radium was kept hidden by Ford
in the back of his pick-up truck, which was always parked at the
front of his house.

District Attorney Catterson labelled Ford a "mastermind" at the
press briefings, at which he raised further serious charges where
no indictments were subsequently returned.

"This," said John Rouse, "is called poisoning the jury pool."

The police arrested Ford immediately following a conversation
that took place between their informant, Ford and Mazzuchelli.
The informant was 'wired' and, it's claimed, recorded a
discussion in which Ford and Mazzuchelli both spoke about doing
away with Powell and another local politician through the use of
radium in toothpaste. A copy of the tape was eventually handed
over to Ford's attorney and according to LIUFON's Preston Nichols
"is unintelligible". Nichols said, "All I can clearly hear on
that tape is the informant talking and John laughing, like
whatever they're talking about is a big joke."

Attorney Rouse is hoping to get the tape enhanced, but admits the
plight of both men is serious. If found guilty, either could be
jailed for between 25 and 75 years in an upstate New York prison.

Elaine Douglas has had run-ins with the Suffolk County Police
before. In April 1993 she wrote to them complaining of police
violation of LIUFON member's civil rights.

Apparently they had been prevented from leafleting near South
Haven Park by the police who told them they must leave the area.
The house to house leafleting had been organised to seek out
potential witnesses in what was described by Douglas as a
"witness-constitutionally protected activity".

The John Ford Defence Committee's support for Ford "..is based on
our conviction that he did not, would not, and could not conspire
to murder anyone," said Elaine Douglas. "On this point our
support is complete and total," she added.

What though of Ford's claims that a low intense military conflict
exists between the United States and aliens? Is that possible?
"Yes, it is," according to Douglas.

"I speak only for myself and not for other members of the Defence
Committee," she said. "I always found John's allegations hard to
believe but impossible to dismiss because he had evidence what he
claimed was perfectly possible.

"Just because John's allegations 'fit' doesn't make them true,
but the fact is John had evidence. He claimed three events on
Long Island - even if he was wrong on two of them, if he was
right on only one, John had a tiger by the tail. If so, it's no
surprise somebody would try to destroy John Ford."

"He is the first UFO investigator to be seriously persecuted by
the authorities. Shall we sit idly by while our colleague's life
is destroyed? If John Ford is silenced, who is next?"

AN INDEPENDENT VIEWPOINT

We invited New York resident Alan Raven to offer his opinions
about the affair and he wrote the following:

I did attend a one-day presentation in the summer of 1994 given
by the Long Island group about the 1992 (South Haven Park)
incident.

As I expected, it was overly long at nine hours and was ragged,
rambling and generally unprofessional. However, the group had
done a tremendous amount of work, beginning on the evening of the
incident.

At the time of the presentation the investigation was still
on-going, and involved mapping, interviews, collection of what
might have been bits of wreckage, on-ground searches, surveys,
and even a couple of aerial searches.

The group claimed there was a collision of sorts at 90,000ft. At
least two vehicles came to earth and wreckage was spread over a
wide area.

One object crashed near the South Shore in South Haven Park
(which in reality is a pine forest) after passing low over a main
highway (Sunrise Highway) and was seen close-up by several
motorists.

The object (described as a rod) passed out of sight. Shortly
afterwards there was an explosion followed immediately by a large
fire that lit up the night sky.

A second object came to earth in the grounds of Brookhaven
National Laboratory, a few miles to the north of the South Haven
Park site. After being grounded for several hours the object
exploded as it tried to take off.

The Long Island group obtained videotape from a source which they
refused to name. The first video was taken at the South Haven
Park by (they claimed) a fireman who was one of the first on the
scene. These firemen arrived before government forces came and
the video was of course confiscated.

The group's copy came (they say) from a government source. The
video, which is of very poor quality and taken at night, shows
figures being moved and laid out. It also purports to show (in
part close-up) an insectoid figure.

The second video clip, from the same source, shows an explosion
of some sort that appears to be associated with a building, or
object, or craft. The group claimed it was a disc or lifeboat
type of craft that came down in the grounds of Brookhaven.

I have seen both video clips several times. They were interesting
but unfortunately not definitive, even after enhancement.

After sitting through the presentation I came away having no
doubt that something very important did happen that night, and
that the government came down with an iron-fist within one hour
of the event. There was in addition, a great deal of trace
evidence spread over large areas.

CONSPIRACY? WHAT CONSPIRACY?

All those closest to John Ford have demonstrated beyond any
reasonable doubt that his track record as a UFO 'activist' is
probably second to none.

'He investigated UFO sightings and alleged abductions; held
public meetings and sponsored conferences; leafleted and
organised demonstrations. He also produced the Long Island UFO
Newsletter, which was regularly received and enjoyed by
enthusiasts around the globe.'

Some find it rather odd therefore, that a man who argued so
vociferously to make his point, who proclaimed he was being
harassed by the authorities, should now utter nothing more than
two words following his arrest. Other than "not guilty" he has
issued no statement which could have been used by the Defence
Committee to bolster their campaign.

Of course Ford might well be acting on instructions issued by his
defence attorney to 'say nothing until the trial' - a perfectly
reasonable and common practise.

Elaine Douglas raises claims of harassment, beatings, burglaries,
auto accidents and vandalism, but where is the corroboration?
Were reports filed to the police in all these instances?

How much radium did the police find? High quantities might just
take slightly less than 40 years to have lethal effects.

Were the police acting unconstitutionally in preventing
leafleting campaigns? Some say not - especially if a
neighbourhood had signs that prohibited such activity. If a
resident complained to the police they would be duty bound to
act.

Until the trial takes place, one can only speculate as to what
might emerge in terms of evidence presented by both defence and
prosecution attorneys which will hopefully answer these and many
other questions.

If allegations of a conspiracy to discredit John Ford have any
foundation at all, it must mean that what he and other colleagues
stumbled across as UFO researchers was of such tremendous
significance that the authorities had to shut them up.

So what exactly did happen? The Unopened Files re-traced the
events as reported by Ford and his colleagues several years ago.
Few listened to him at the time, but now you have an opportunity
to make a balanced judgement for yourselves...







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                   Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:12:56 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:29:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico


> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico
> Date: Thursday, January 8, 1998 13:45 PM

> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:26:32 +0100 (MET)
> To: UFO Updates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, UASR@MyList.net
> From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
> Subject: Sighting

> Hi list,

> This is a forwarded sighting. Anyone else who has seen this?

> I would like to report a personal sighting which occurred on Jan 5 at
> 3:30 am on the beach at Puerto Vallerta, Mexico.  I am an airline pilot
> with over 30 years flying experience, including 24 years as a fighter
> pilot in the USAF and Air National Guard.  While standing on the beach
> and looking at the stars with another airline pilot, I observed a
> reddish colored light which I initially thought was a meteorite, move
> rapidly from east to west nearly directly overhead.  As I pointed out
> the light to my companion, the object suddenly changed directions by
> about 135 degrees of turn and very sharply.  The movement defied any
> laws of flight and physics that I am aware of.  The light made another
> rapid change of course back to a westerly heading, then disappeared out
> of sight.  I was so startled that I immediately confirmed with my
> companion what I had just seen.  I have never seen any flying object
> perform this type of manuevering before.

I hadn't seen the post but I have seen the object, or one very
similar. It's more of a light red color.  It transits Hawaii on
occasion, coming from the south of the Big Island on a
south-to-north course, turns right 90=B0 and departs eastbound. It
covers about 60 degrees of arc in five or 6 seconds and another
80 degrees after the turn in about 7 seconds. I don't know where
Puerto Vallarta is, but I am at about 20=B0 north latitude so if
the object continues on a great circle route it would end up
around Guadalajara. I have always assumed that it was some US
military craft verifying it's navigation. I can tell you that it
moves right along.

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                      UPN: Feature On Mexico City Video

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:15:21 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:31:38 -0500
Subject: UPN: Feature On Mexico City Video

Found at:

http://www.businesswire.com:80/cgi-bin/sr_headline.sh?/bw.010798/570995

*******


BW0263  JAN 07,1998 16:49 PACIFIC 19:49  EASTERN


(EW)(UPN/PRIMETIME-SPECIALS) UPN Announces Slate of Wide
Appealing Primetime Specials


Entertainment Editors & TV Writers

LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Jan. 7, 1998--

(EDITORS PLEASE NOTE: THIS INFORMATION SUPERSEDES PREVIOUSLY
ANNOUNCED AIRDATES AND TITLES. CHANGES AND CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN
MADE.)

A wide array of primetime specials, including "1998 UPN
alt.games," "Real Dumb People," "UFO Sightings!" and "The New Ed
Sullivan Show," (working title) will air Tuesdays (9-10 p.m.,
ET/PT) and Wednesdays (9-10 p.m., ET/PT) on UPN, it was announced
Wednesday by Tom Nunan, executive vice president, entertainment,
UPN.

In making the announcement, Nunan commented, "These diverse
specials exemplify what our ultimate objective is -- to attract a
broad audience with, simply stated, good entertainment."

Special programming begins airing on Tuesday, Jan. 20 with the
previously announced "Real Vampires ... Exposed!" (8-9 p.m.,
ET/PT) and "Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County" (9-10 p.m.,
ET/PT).
(Featuring the much discussed video of an abduction of an entire
family - Stig).


The specials announced Wednesday are as follows:

(snipped)

"UFO Sighting!" airing Wednesday, March 11 (9-10 p.m., ET/PT)
(corrected airdate)

From executive producers Henry Winkler and Ann Daniel
("Sightings"), this riveting one-hour special centers around
never-before-seen video footage of a recent UFO sighting in
Mexico City, and explores the phenomenon of unidentified flying
objects while examining other recent, mysterious observations in
the night sky. Stephen Kroopnick is the co-executive producer.
The special is produced by Fair Dinkum and Ann Daniel in
association with Paramount Network Television.

(snipped)

Several other primetime specials will be announced shortly.


--30--JP/la  BN/la

CONTACT:

UPN, Los Angeles

Patti McTeague, 310/575-7083

Rachel Peters, 310/575-7082

KEYWORD:  CALIFORNIA

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                        Frances Barwood Announcement

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 03:24:16 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:51:23 -0500
Subject: Frances Barwood Announcement

PARADIGM RESEARCH GROUP


***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ***

January 1, 1998 -- Washington, DC -- Former Phoenix City
Councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood will hold a press conference
from noon to 1 p.m. on January 13, 1998 at the Hyatt Regency
Phoenix, 122 North 2nd Street, Phoenix, AZ.

At this time Ms. Barwood will formally announce her intentions to
seek the office of Secretary of State of Arizona. Supporters from
throughtout Arizona and the United States will be in attendance.

Ms. Barwood, who is well known for her stance on constitutional
matters, states' rights and open truthful government, will
elaborate on her intentions to make a campaign issue of the
substantive evidence for the possible intelligent
extraterrestrial presence with state and national airspace as
well as the failure of the federal government to respect public
demands for a proper response. It is the first time a viable
candidate for high office, state or national, has formally raised
this issue within a campaign.

Ms. Barwood's attention to the UFO issue and the government's
posture began with the extraordinary sightings of objects and
lights above Phoenix in and around March 13 of last year. The
failure of Arizona based federal military facilities to
adequately respond to citizen queries led her to raise the matter
in City Council session.  While the events of March 13 were
already receiving national attention, the mere action of calling
for a proper investigation resulted in a firestorm of personal
attacks. During this same period a recall effort which had been
pending moved to a vote. This effort failed when Ms.
Barwood won the recall election by a margin of two to one.

During the intervening months Councilwoman Barwood took the time
to speak with researchers and witnesses and familiarize herself
with the most recent published works on the subject of
unidentified sightings and other possible extraterrestrial
related phenomena. It became clear to her that this is an issue
of state and  national significance which cannot in good
conscience be ignored by a responsible candidate for high office.

At the January 13 press conference Ms. Barwood will also
introduce co-managers for her campaign: one who will focus on the
relevant state issues, the other who will assist her in bringing
the UFO issue to the citizens of Arizona in a professional,
intelligent fashion.



Contact
Stephen Bassett
Paradigm Research Group

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                                Dual Spheres

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:34:55 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:59:27 -0500
Subject: Dual Spheres


8. January 1998 22.31.23
alt.alien.visitors Item
From:   taranr@erols.com,usenet
Subject: Dual Spheres
To:     alt.alien.visitors

On the morning of April 17th 1952, numerous "red spheres" were
seen flitting through the skies of the US capital, Washington DC.
Radar Screens showed numerous objects detected on radar that
seemed to disappear at will. From 12:40 AM until just before
dawn, these objects would appear to radio engineer E. Chambers as
"headlights in the fog" as he would later describe them.

This case involves multiple witness and multiple radar detection
of these strange objects that by July of that year, would be
national headlines as these objects would be again seen in
Washington DC. Dismissed as "temperature inversions" detected on
radar, these objects had been tracked, ranging in speeds from 100
to over 8,000 miles per hour. Radar detection was made of these
objects from Andrews Air Force Base, Bolling Air Force Base, and
Washington National Air Port.

Long dismissed as lens flare, a photo of approximately 11 objects
hovering over the nation�s capital, was taken, I believe, during
the April event. Quite conspicuously, these objects were in a
mirroring formation of street lights in front of the capital
building, which was assumed to be the cause of these reflections
on the lens. But, is it a coincidence that this picture was taken
on this night?  Was the photographer just taking a photo of the
capital building, or of these objects that are seen in the sky
around the dome of the capital?

I recently saw an enlargement of this photo that has recently
been published, and what caught my eye was the fact that each of
these objects appeared to look like dual spheres of light, or
like "headlights" as E. Chambers had described them later that
day. In fact, these "headlights" have been commonly described as
being seen on a triangular craft that Dr. Bruce Cornet a
geologist and UFO researcher refers to as the "Manta Ray".

Even more strange, is the fact that these dual spheres of light
have been photographed in Pine Bush NY, Hessdalen Noraway, and
Moljebka Russia, which are all UFO hot-spots. Some people such as
author Paul Devereux, claim that these lights are only a
consequence of tectonic stress and are really geophysical in
nature. Paul Devereux shows photos of these dual spheres in not
one, but two articles he had written in 1997 for the Fortean
times. One of these photos was taken in Hessdalen, the other in
Ireland, where numerous triangular craft have been reported. [See
the April 1997 issue and the November 1997 issue of the Fortean
Times magazine]

Would natural phenomena result in dual spheres of approximately
the same size flying equidistantly for extended periods of time?
These objects sometimes are seen with additional lights such as a
red light that sometimes is seen blinking. Strangely, this
configuration is similar to lights that are FAA required of
aircraft of that size. Is this natural phenomena, or actually
unknown objects attempting to mimic modern aircraft. Col. Wendall
Stevens (ret.) says that in the 1952 case in Washingtion DC.,
fighter jets were scrambled, and that one of the objects did a
corkscrew maneuver around one of the jets and then few off at an
incredible rate of speed. Natural phenomena?  Not very likely.

-bob tarantino

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:15:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:00:12 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:22:20 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> Is the Kevin Randle Book that you mention "Faces of the Visitors"
> by Kevin Randle and Russ Estes ?? <Grin> (Blatant Plug)

That's the book. Lots of cases briefly but sympathetically
reviewed, with reliability ratings. Roswell gets a 9 (out of 10),
many famous abduction cases rank far lower.

> If so, the very reason that 'Faces of the Visitors' was produced
> is the fact that most of the attention given to Alien Abduction
> is directed at the Classic Gray Alien.  From the reports given by
> over 150 Abductees, Contactees, and Observers, the classic Gray
> seem to be the vocal minority.  Kudos on a fine review.

Yes, the intention is very clear. A question, though -- how
carefully were the 150 people interviewed? What's the reliability
rating for each of them? If you include only those you'd rate as
highly reliable, would the variety of alien types look any
different?

Finally, what's the point of referring to these 150
undifferentiated reports? (I'm referring to something in the text
which -- if I remember correctly -- states that 150 people were
actually talked to, quite apart from the many cases catalogued in
the book.) If we're interested to know what UFOs look like,
obviously we don't look at cases where we don't believe the
witness, or when the witness pretty clearly saw something known.
Sure, you can find 150 (or 1500 or probably 15,000) people who
say they've seen all variety of aliens, but how believable are
most of them?

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              Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far Side

From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:23:29 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:38:36 -0500
Subject: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far Side

Hi all,

Go to this link found on the Sightings on the Radio home page.
It's interesting and I would like to know what everybody thinks.

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/moonobject.htm








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                  New Evidence That Mars Face Is Artificial

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:43:29 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 01:09:31 -0500
Subject: New Evidence That Mars Face Is Artificial

Received via "alt.paranet.ufo" January 8 at 11.03 local time (GMT + 1
hour):

8. January 1998 09.44.00
alt.paranet.ufo Item
From:   Tom Pinn, usenet
Subject:        SPACE:Mars Face/Asteroid Race/Skeptic Put in Place?
To:     alt.paranet.ufo


 S   P   A   C   E
-------------------

RE: Mars Face
ORIGINAL FULL ARTICLE: Scripps-Howard, 1/8

The "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion, reported Dr. Tom
Van Flandern, at the 191st national meeting of the American
Astronomical Society (AAS) on Wednesday.

Van Flandern, who holds a doctorate in astronomy from Yale
University, and founded Meta Research, an organization that
researches astronomy theories that conflict with mainstream
paradigms, said he reached that conclusion after new studies of
the Cydonia region.

Pictures of Mars'surface taken by the Viking spacecraft, in the
70s, spawned the "Face on Mars" debate when sometimes fuzzy, low
resolution pictures appeared to show a gigantic human-like face,
pyramids and other structures in the desert-like region.

In the decades since, a whole cottage-industry of conspiracy
theories, alleged NASA cover-ups and Masonic involvement has
grown around the original photos.

Van Flandern said he analyzed data from previous studies showing
that the Martian north and south poles occupied a different
position in the past. A cataclysmic event, such as a meteor
impact, relocated the poles to the current positions. He
concluded the Cydonia region was once on the Martian equator,
with "The Face" oriented perpendicular to the old equator. He
said the chance of that orientation occurring naturally was about
a 1% probability, shifting the weight of evidence in favor of the
Cydonia complex, as it is sometimes called, being artifical.

Van Flandern predicted the Mars Global Surveyor's high-resolution
cameras will finally determine whether "The Face" is natural, as
NASA scientists maintain, or constructed by an earlier
civilization. He added that people should prepare themselves for
the largest cultural shock of modern times.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

RE: Asteroid Race
ORIGINAL FULL ARTICLE: U.P.I., 1/8

Los Alamos National Laboratory researchers, led by astrophysicist
Jack Hills and his collegue Charles Mader, used computer
simulations to predict the results of an asteroid hitting the
mid-Atlantic Ocean.

The first simulation, using an asteroid 3-miles across, showed
the resulting Tsunamis - a fast moving ocean wave that holds its
destructive energy - would swamp the entire upper East Coast of
the U.S. to the Appalachian Mountains. All the coastal cities in
the region, along thousands of miles of coastline, would be hit
by immense walls of water and roiling debris. The coasts of
France and Portugal would also be destroyed by waves.

Hills and Mader estimated a strike from such a large asteroid
only happens every 10 million years or so.

By comparison, every few thousand years, a small asteroid may
hit. Another computer simulation, using a 1,300 feet in diameter
asteroid model, ended with the lesser destruction of coastal
areas on both sides of the Atlantic, with a Tsunami more than 300
feet high.

------------------------------------------------------------------

RE: Skeptic Put in His Place?
ORIGINAL FULL ARTICLE: Associated Press, 1/8

In 1995, researchers hypothesized a large planet was orbiting the
star 51 Pegasi, after analyzing light emanating from the distant
sun. The analysis indicated the star was wobbling, allegedly from
the gravitational pull of an orbiting planet.

But last February, skeptic David F. Gray, of the University of
Western Ontario, disputed the earlier claim, saying 51 Pegasi
itself was pulsing, fooling researchers into believing they had
found a planet.

Now, Gray has retracted his earlier conclusion, saying new
observations of the starlight have failed to find the pulsing
trait that led to his debunking of the planet theory.

He added that a planet may still be the best explanation.

_____________________________________________________________


Date: 8 Jan 1998 00:44:00 -0700
From: "Tom Pinn"
Subject: SPACE:Mars Face/Asteroid Race/Skeptic Put in Place?
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                      Re: Space Tourism Within 3 Years

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:50:03 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:59:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Space Tourism Within 3 Years

On December 31 1997 UFO Updates carried a news item on "Space
Tourism Within 3 Years", see

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/dec/m31-008.shtml

Thanks to the Netly News I just found additional information to
the one, I sent then. Go to

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,1676,00.html

*******


Flights of Fancy

by Rebecca Eisenberg

January 8, 1998


Ever since the space shuttle Challenger exploded in 1986, killing
seven astronauts, including schoolteacher Christa McAuliffe, NASA
has appeared a bit reluctant to take non-astronauts into outer
space. But where there is money to be earned, private business
will find a way.

Enter an industry even more nascent, and possibly more risky,
than e-commerce -- space adventure travel for tourists. For a
mere $98,000 (plus $4,000 optional cancellation insurance)
Zegrahm Space Voyages in Seattle, Wash., is selling tickets for
the first-ever commercially operated tourist trip into outer
space, to take off -- and land -- on Saturday December 1, 2001.

The two-and-a-half-hour voyage will carry six passengers at a
time in a yet-to-be-built Space Cruiser at speeds of up to 2,300
miles per hour 62 miles above the Earth's surface. Passengers
would sustain weightlessness for two minutes, "long enough to
take at least one somersault," according to Zegrahm's Chris
Ostendorf, 28, who worked in the cruise ship industry for five
years before joining the travel company about seven months ago.

Zegrahm's first trip is being coordinated in association with the
Stanford University Alumni Assocation, whose Travel/Study program
has in the past visited locations such as Kuwait and Vietnam.
Within days of the space trip's announcement, two individuals put
down their $5,000 deposits -- one of them a retired Stanford
engineering professor, the other a woman who felt like the trip
would make a nice present for her husband.

In fact, even though Zegrahm has produced no working vehicle, and
the location for the launch itself has not been determined, more
than 20 people have plunked down $5,000 deposits for the trip,
which includes a week of "astronaut training" prior to the
launch, as well as videotapes of the trip and official-looking
monogrammed space suits. If the trip doesn't happen within four
years of paying the deposit, would-be passengers will receive a
refund, minus their $4,000 optional payment insurance and
interest.

Ostendorf, who says the space travel industry should mirror the
cruise industry, describes his clientele as "people who are
interested in unique experiences -- they have been everywhere,
and have run out of places to go." Of the 1,200 or so people who
signed up for Zegrahm's informational e-mail list, 25 percent are
female, and the average age is 45 to 65. Judging from these
demographics, it may be physically impossible for many of these
people to take the trip -- it's not for the "ordinary person from
the street," warns Jurrie VanderWoude, a former Air Force fighter
pilot who now works at the Jet Propulsion Labs. "Weightlessness
is like seasickness," he laughs. "That is why you train in the
device that NASA refers to as the vomit comet."

Nonetheless, VanderWoude would jump at the opportunity to take
the trip. "I think it would be fabulous. Simply fabulous. If I
had the money."

But VanderWoude warns that space travel may not be as easy to
arrange as Zegrahm is hoping. "It is not like just taking a trip
to Washington, D.C." Not only will all potential passengers need
to be checked out by a medical professional, but the carrier will
need to be approved by a whole range of federal agencies and
transportation overseeing bodies, such as the Federal Aviation
Agency and the National Transportation Safety Board. None of
these decisions can be made until there is, at the very least, a
ship, and once the vehicle is ready to be inspected, it will most
likely be subject to the snail's pace typical of most federal
bureaucratic decision-making processes.

"It is not going to happen by 2001, that is for sure," mused
Rusty Schweickart, a former NASA astronaut who served as lunar
module pilot for Apollo 9 in 1969 -- the third manned flight of
the Apollo series and the first manned flight of the lunar
module. Schweickart did not want to comment about the potential
success of Zegrahm in particular, but he appeared pessimistic
about the space travel market's prospects of making a splash in
the early part of the 21st century. "Right now there is really
nothing to say; there is no tourism in space. It is a fun idea,
but it is a long way in the future."

Say 20 years from now, said Schweickart, when "there will be
facilities in space, and there will be transportation that is
cheap enough that it could be a reasonable business proposition.
But at the moment, we are a long way from that. For two and a
half minutes, it is not worth it."

Or is it? "There are many experiences that are very short-lived
but are nonetheless well worth it," insists Eric, a 34-year-old
"information engineer" who runs his own business and lives with
his spouse and two children in the Pacific Northwest. Less than
three weeks after hearing about Zegrahm's proposed space travel
plans, Eric paid his $5,000 deposit and $4,000 payment insurance,
even though Zegrahm has presented no finished craft.

"When I first heard about this trip, I was skeptical," he notes.
"But after doing more research into Zegrahm, it became clear that
they are serious. There is really no reason that this could not
happen, and they are not going to go up there half-cocked -- they
would not be allowed to."

If Zegrahm manages to pull it off, the company could be hitting
on a timely and lucrative concept. According to the Travel
Industry Association of America, travel is the third largest
retail industry in the United States, with total annual spending
of $473 billion. By the year 2000, the association predicts,
travel is expected to rise to number one.


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                 Re: AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:27:23 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:00:55 -0500
Subject: Re: AP: Study - Asteroid Could Flood Coast

>From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca]
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:59:46 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Fwd: Study: Asteroid Could Flood Coast

>From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
>Subject: Study: Asteroid Could Flood Coast
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:33:59 EST

>Study: Asteroid Could Flood Coast

>.c The Associated Press

> By PAUL RECER

>WASHINGTON (AP) - If a 3-mile-wide rock from space smashed into
>the Atlantic Ocean it would drown most of the upper East Coast in
>the largest tidal wave in recorded history, a study finds.

<snip>

>Based on computer simulations of what would ensue if an asteroid
>smashed into the central Atlantic, Hills said all of Delaware,
>Maryland and Virginia would be inundated. In New York, Long
>Island and Manhattan would be swamped.

Hi Rebecca, hi All,

Just as an aside, most of you are familiar with the reports from
abductees about the aliens showing the many abductees apocalyptic
visions of earth changes, mass death and destruction.

Well I'm no exception. I never talk about it because it is
material that surfaced during hypnosis and I keep -all of that
stuff- in a seperate "B" folder! The "A" stuff is the bits and
pieces which I have remembered consciously all of my life.

What I was shown was a scene out of a sci-fi horror movie. I was
led up to a large curved screen. Before me on the screen I could
see undulating garbage, bodies, refuse of every kind and here and
there were the tops of buildings. The debris was so dense that it
formed a solid carpet that you could walk on.

The sky was the wrong color. (green) And suddenly it dawned on me
that what I was seeing was a part of the New York skyline. I also
realized that the reason that debris was undulating was because
there was water underneath it. It was my New York under water!
All I could think or feel was complete horror. It was an emotion
that tugged at the pit of my stomach. It came straight from the
gut.

When I read this post it just brought it all back to mind. Not
that I believe it'll happen or anything I just wanted to share it
with you guys. It's not easy living with these images in your
head sometimes. They are disturbing.

Peace,

John Velez





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             Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To:=20
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:36:27 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:03:17 -0500
Subject: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

Found in the electronic edition of The Nando Times. URL:

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/010898/health7_18738_nof
rames.h tml


Stig


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Scientist believes Martian 'face' is no accident of nature


Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
Copyright =A91998 Scripps Howard



WASHINGTON (January 8, 1998 00:07 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net)
-- The mysterious "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion or a
natural feature on the Red Planet, a scientist reported Wednesday
at a major astronomical conference.

Dr. Tom Van Flandern reached the conclusion after new studies of
the Cydonia region, where strange-looking landforms have excited
science fiction and life-on-other-worlds buffs for decades.

His report, presented at the 191st national meeting of the
American Astronomical Society (AAS), attracted unusual attention
because sharp new images of the "Face" may soon be available. The
National Aeronautics and Space Administration Global Surveyor
spacecraft, now orbiting Mars, is scheduled to begin imaging in
1999.

Global Surveyor's camera is capable of making images with 30
times the resolution, or sharpness, of the Viking cameras. It can
distinguish objects as small as 4.6 feet across, and will try to
image the "Face."

Van Flandern holds a doctorate in astronomy from Yale University.
Until 1991, he was chief of the celestial mechanics branch at the
U. S. Naval Observatory, a respected astronomy facility. He then
founded Meta Research, an organization based here, that fosters
research on topics that conflict with mainstream theories in
astronomy.

The "Face on Mars," he explained, certainly fits that bill. Some
people claim that images of the Cydonia region, taken in the
1970s from the Viking spacecraft, show a gigantic human face, a
pyramid, and other structures left by some ancient
extra-terrestrial civilization.

In the eyes of some, the "Face" bears a striking resemblance to
the "death masks" that ancient Egyptians used to adorn the
sarcophagus of King Tut and other rulers. Indeed, some hint that
the "Face" may be part of an immense tomb on the Red Planet.

Believers have come up with all kinds of intricate mathematical
relationships between the Face and several associated landforms
that supposedly prove the structures are artificial.

Conspiracy theories, charging NASA and the military with a
cover-up, also abound.

"The conventional view is that this is all nonsense," says Dr.
Michael C. Malin. He is chief investigator for the Mars Global
Surveyor Orbiter Camera.

Cydonia, he explained, is a desert-like region that has undergone
the same kinds of weathering that carve weird landforms in
terrestrial deserts. He regards the features at Cydonia as
strictly natural, the result of Martian weathering and erosion.

Van Flandern said his study undermines the main argument against
an artificial origin for the "Face:" Its apparently random
orientation on the Martian surface.

"No apparent purpose is served by a face monument looking upward
toward space if it is not oriented right-side up and in an
attention-getting location with respect to the surface of the
planet," he said.

On Earth, one such location, visible for great distances from
space, might be right on the equator, he indicated.

Van Flandern analyzed data from previous studies showing that the
Martian north and south poles occupied a different position in
the past. A meteor impact or other cataclysmic event relocated
the poles to their current position millions of years ago. He
concluded that the "Face" originally was in a much different
location.

"It was a great shock to me to discover that the Cydonia area was
right on the old Martian equator," he said.

Further analysis showed that the "Face" is oriented perpendicular
to that old equator. The bridge of its "nose" is oriented almost
exactly north-to-south.

"This has only about a 1 percent probability of occurring by
chance," Dr. Van Flandern said. "The weight of existing evidence
appears to have shifted in favor of an artificial origin of the
Cydonia complex."

Van Flandern predicted that the Mars Global Surveyor's
high-resolution cameras will finally determine whether the "Face"
is a natural geologic structure, or something constructed by an
earlier civilization.

Almost as an afterthought, he observed to a standing-room- only
audience of about 400 astronomers, "I suggest that in view of
these test results we prepare ourselves for a cultural shock
certainly unrivaled in recent times."

By MICHAEL WOODS, Toledo Blade

Copyright =A91998 Nando.net








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                 Re: The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:12:04 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:07:40 -0500
Subject: Re: The John Ford Affair - UK UFO Magazine

>There's been some reference here regarding the incarcaration of
>LIUFON's John Ford. While browsing Graham Birdsall's UK UFO
>Magazine at:

>http://www.ufomag.co.uk/

>I came across the following.

>ebk

_______________________________________

>THE JOHN FORD AFFAIR

>As you read this, New York UFO activist John Ford is languishing
>in jail awaiting trial for conspiracy. The circumstances of his
>arrest and past involvement with an alleged UFO crash-retrieval
>incident at Moriches Bay, Long Island, are profoundly disturbing.

<snip>

>The John Ford Defence Committee's support for Ford "..is based on
>our conviction that he did not, would not, and could not conspire
>to murder anyone," said Elaine Douglas. "On this point our
>support is complete and total," she added.

Hi Errol, Al, All,

I have had several oportunities to talk with John Ford. I shared
a stage with him on two occasions on local programs here in NY.
Got to hang out a bit in the green room talking to John while his
constant companion Preston Nichols scarfed handfuls of free
donuts. (Preston is a -big boy- and doesn't talk much in the
presence of food. <G>)

First, John has never been taken very seriously by members of the
local UFO community, but I (and others) don't think the guy is
capable of concocting or carrying out such a convoluted murder
plot.

The worst thing that John could be accused of is 'drumming up
business for himself" by publisizing the Moriches Bay crash and
the other one that involved Brookhaven National Lab. John's crony
Preston Nichols is a guy that has invented and markets an alien
detection and deterrent device, his other running partner is Al
Bielek who is the guy that claims to be the Philidelphia
experiment survivor. Bunch o' wags, but not 'killers' by any
stretch of the imagination.

If they had busted John on fraud charges I'd be whistling a
different tune, but murder? Nah, I don't think so. This arrest
and the wierd story and circumstances surrounding it are the
strongest evidence that John has ever had! We'll just have to
wait and see what the jury trial develops. Long Island judges
aren't real lenient about allowing murder suspects to remain at
large while they await trial. John has already done almost two
years of jail time without ever having been convicted. That -is
an injustice- the guy is supposed to be guaranteed a speedy and
fair trial. I don't understand the long delay in giving John his
day in court.

Peace,

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                              Re: Dual Spheres

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:34:55 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:09:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Dual Spheres

>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:34:55 +0200
>Subject: Dual Spheres

>Long dismissed as lens flare, a photo of approximately 11 objects
>hovering over the nation=EDs capital, was taken, I believe, during
>the April event. Quite conspicuously, these objects were in a
>mirroring formation of street lights in front of the capital
>building, which was assumed to be the cause of these reflections
>on the lens. But, is it a coincidence that this picture was taken
>on this night?  Was the photographer just taking a photo of the
>capital building, or of these objects that are seen in the sky
>around the dome of the capital?

>I recently saw an enlargement of this photo that has recently
>been published, and what caught my eye was the fact that each of
>these objects appeared to look like dual spheres of light, or
>like "headlights" as E. Chambers had described them later that
>day. In fact, these "headlights" have been commonly described as
>being seen on a triangular craft that Dr. Bruce Cornet a
>geologist and UFO researcher refers to as the "Manta Ray".

Does anyone know where this photo is published?  I'd like to
take a look at it.

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               Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far

From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:01:48 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:12:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far

List and Joe who asked:


>From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:23:29 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Artifacts on the Moon

>Hi all,

>Go to this link found on the Sightings on the Radio home page.
>It's interesting and I would like to know what everybody thinks.

>http://www.sightings.com/ufo/moonobject.htm


Joe,

I think that if we want to know what they are, that we
should visit them and find out.

John White mjawhite@digitaldune.net









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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:57:58 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:42:07 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:15:49 -0500


>> From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:22:20 EST
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>> Is the Kevin Randle Book that you mention "Faces of the Visitors"
>> by Kevin Randle and Russ Estes ?? <Grin> (Blatant Plug)

>That's the book. Lots of cases briefly but sympathetically
>reviewed, with reliability ratings. Roswell gets a 9 (out of 10),
>many famous abduction cases rank far lower.

>> If so, the very reason that 'Faces of the Visitors' was produced
>> is the fact that most of the attention given to Alien Abduction
>> is directed at the Classic Gray Alien.  From the reports given by
>> over 150 Abductees, Contactees, and Observers, the classic Gray
>> seem to be the vocal minority.  Kudos on a fine review.

>Yes, the intention is very clear. A question, though -- how
>carefully were the 150 people interviewed? What's the reliability
>rating for each of them? If you include only those you'd rate as
>highly reliable, would the variety of alien types look any
>different?

>Finally, what's the point of referring to these 150
>undifferentiated reports? (I'm referring to something in the text
>which -- if I remember correctly -- states that 150 people were
>actually talked to, quite apart from the many cases catalogued in
>the book.) If we're interested to know what UFOs look like,
>obviously we don't look at cases where we don't believe the
>witness, or when the witness pretty clearly saw something known.
>Sure, you can find 150 (or 1500 or probably 15,000) people who
>say they've seen all variety of aliens, but how believable are
>most of them?

>Greg Sandow


That's a very insightful question. Of the more than 150 abductees
interviewed, each was a careful interview, searching for
evidence, corroboration and fact. If you look at the book
carefully, you'll see that we have looked at some of the more
famous of the abduction cases, and you'll see that, contrary to
what has been stated, 85% of the aliens reported are not the
grays. There is a wide variety of alien beings reported.

But 'Faces Of The Visitors' looks beyond that as well. One purpose
was to expose the frauds for what they are. It does us no good to
see the same faked images reported time and again, and that was
the reason for including some cases that are hoaxes. It is time
to expose them so that we all can move onto to other arenas where
our time and effort can be spent in more productive pursuits.

I believe it was important to include a section on the Contactees
because here was a group telling tales very similiar to alien
abduction before any abductions had been reported. And we placed
some of the abduction tales into the section on contactees
because their stories, while more acceptable to researchers today
are little more than contactee tales of the 1950s.

But the real point here is that the book was as carefully
researched as any of the others. The research protocols were as
strict as those employed by other researchers. We were attempting
to provide a long history of the reports of alien contact so that
the evolution of the alien beings, the garb they wore, and the
activities in which they engaged could be seen in the context of
that history.

If we are interested in what UFOs look like, we can't exclude
reports that we don't like because we believe them to be hoaxes
or misidentifications because they are part of the subtext of UFO
research. We can, however, make it clear that we don't accept
those cases by providing a low reliability number.

Or, we could turn the question around and ask, simply, by what
criterion do you accept the reports of alien abduction? Does the
witness have to seem sincere? Does the emotion seen during the
hypnotic regression session have to seem real? Do we accept only
those cases where there is some form of corroboration? What makes
the tales investigated by David Jacobs, Budd Hopkins, John Mack,
John Carpenter, Edith Fiore, Richard Boylan, Leo Sprinkle, Alvin
Lawson, Ray Fowler or James Harder more acceptable than the cases
we investigated? And can't the reader, by accepting our
reliability numbers answer your question about the variety of
aliens? And if the reader doesn't accept our number, but attaches
his or her own, and then cross checking them, produce an answer
to your question.

And, we can argue that a case you don't find reliable, such as
the Billy Meier contacts, are accepted as reliable by many
others. Doesn't that become a case of the Meier unbelievable
story being less believeable than say, the unbelievable story
told by Antonio Villas-Boas or even Betty Hill.

Or, the short answer to your question is that we checked the
witness stories carefully, we used other reports that were
considered by many to be "true" tales of alien abduction starting
with the Hills and including many of what is now the classic
cases.

KRandle
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                               Re: Dual Sphere

From: "Scott Carr"<Scott_Carr@MCKINSEY.COM>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:43:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:48:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Dual Sphere


>Long dismissed as lens flare, a photo of approximately 11 objects
>hovering over the nation?s capital, was taken, I believe, during
>the April event.

Is this the photo that appears as the January picture on the 1998
UFO Calendar?

>I recently saw an enlargement of this photo that has recently
>been published, and what caught my eye was the fact that each of
>these objects appeared to look like dual spheres of light, or
>like "headlights" as E. Chambers had described them later that
>day.

I believe there was film of a similar "Dual sphere" taken over
Area 51 in the recent Area 51 TV special. Does anyone else recall
this? (I don't remember the name of the special, but it was the
one Mr. Campbell was listing in the "Upcoming Events" section of
the Ufomind What's New page.

-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:46:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No


>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To:
>updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:36:27 +0200
>Subject: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>Found in the electronic edition of The Nando Times. URL:

>http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/010898/health7_18738_nof
>rames.h tml

>Scientist believes Martian 'face' is no accident of nature
>
>WASHINGTON (January 8, 1998 00:07 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net)
>-- The mysterious "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion or a
>natural feature on the Red Planet, a scientist reported Wednesday
>at a major astronomical conference.

>Dr. Tom Van Flandern reached the conclusion after new studies of
>the Cydonia region, where strange-looking landforms have excited
>science fiction and life-on-other-worlds buffs for decades.
> ....

Hello Stig,

I wouldn't get my hopes up that Van Flandern's conclusions will
carry any weight at all within scientific astronomical circles.
He has put forth quite a few scientific conclusions within his
book that go strongly against "mainstream" astronomical thinking,
so that he'll surely receive the standard treatment of attacks on
his scientific character through ridicule. His book is _Dark
Matter, Missing Planets, and New Comets: Paradoxes Resolved,
Origins Illuminated_.

For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

Yet his book contains many innovative and well argued ideas.

Jim Deardorff









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               Re: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of

From: troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr]
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:41:19 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:42:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of

>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To:
>updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:36:27 +0200
>Subject: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>Found in the electronic edition of The Nando Times. URL:

>http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/010898/health7_18738_nof
>rames.h tml

>Stig

>*******

>Scientist believes Martian 'face' is no accident of nature

>Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
>Copyright =A91998 Scripps Howard

>WASHINGTON (January 8, 1998 00:07 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net)
>-- The mysterious "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion or a
>natural feature on the Red Planet, a scientist reported Wednesday
>at a major astronomical conference.

>Dr. Tom Van Flandern reached the conclusion after new studies of
>the Cydonia region, where strange-looking landforms have excited
>science fiction and life-on-other-worlds buffs for decades.

>His report, presented at the 191st national meeting of the
>American Astronomical Society (AAS), attracted unusual attention
>because sharp new images of the "Face" may soon be available. The
>National Aeronautics and Space Administration Global Surveyor
>spacecraft, now orbiting Mars, is scheduled to begin imaging in
>1999.

>Global Surveyor's camera is capable of making images with 30
>times the resolution, or sharpness, of the Viking cameras. It can
>distinguish objects as small as 4.6 feet across, and will try to
>image the "Face."

My heart skips a beat with each step closer we come to new photos
of Cydonia. I've read the McDaniel Report and studied the
Enterprise Mission and other related sites thoroughly ever since
my interest was stirred up last year.

I wasn't even ten when Sagan's "The Man on the Moon" article was
published in Parade magazine. I've always been fascinated by
science and I used to watch PBS all the time with my dad. So
Sagan was a sort of "Mr. Rogers" to me (probably should have
stuck to Don Herbert, TV's Mr. Wizard). I read his article and
believed him when he said that the Face was a natural feature.

As I said, my interest in the subject was rejuvenated. I'm not
sure how, but I know that I found myself at Hoagland's site. This
has captured my imagination. The McDaniel Report's chapter on the
Sagan article was eye-opening for me. Stanley McDaniel does an
excellent job at dissecting all of the lies and fallacies used by
Sagan and NASA in deflating the artificiality hypothesis.

Now, we are closer than ever. The evidence presented by the
independent researchers is comprehensive. It makes a good case
for the artificiality hypothesis. I just hope that Mr. Malin
doesn't mess with the photos. The transmission of the enhanced
Cydonia pictures MUST be live and public.

Personally, there is little doubt that the Cydonia complex was
constructed by someone. We need to face this together so that we
may move forward.

Good fortune, safe travels

David Orr

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                    AP: Astronomers Gauge Energy of Stars

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:47:53 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:47:30 -0500
Subject: AP: Astronomers Gauge Energy of Stars


Astronomers Gauge Energy of Stars

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Astronomers taking the temperature of the universe say they
have sampled heat from virtually every star that has ever shone, a discovery
that will help refine theories about the evolution of the universe.

Using an instrument aboard the Cosmic Background Explorer Satellite,
astronomers from the Space Telescope Science Institute measured the glow of
infrared energy - or heat - in dust particles that were warmed by stars from
almost the very beginning of the universe.

This primordial heat gives astronomers an idea of how much energy has been
generated by nearly all of the stars formed since the Big Bang, said Michael
Hauser, leader of the astronomy team.

Hauser said that starlight from very early in the history of the universe
warmed dust particles and that this heat is preserved in sort of a ``cosmic
safety deposit box'' and can be detected by a satellite instrument that was
cooled to near absolute zero.

The instrument was so sensitive, he said, that it could detect the heat energy
reflected from a white piece of paper illuminated by a 100 watt light bulb
18.5 miles away.

Hauser said the instrument gathered measurements in the ``far infrared,'' a
part of the electromagnetic spectrum invisible to the eye.

He said the instrument would detect all heat radiating in this portion of the
spectrum and that this would include dust warmed by ``virtually all the stars
that have existed since the beginning of time.''

Missed would be the energy from the very first stars, which glowed in a dust-
free universe, and heat emitted in a portion of the infrared not sampled by
the instruments. Dust is created as stars burn, turning hydrogen and helium
into heavier particles. Theorists believe that star formation could not begin
until about 300,000 years after the Big Bang.

Hauser said the study has taken about 23 years, including the time spent
designing and building the COBE satellite, collecting data for four years
after its 1989 launch, and then analyzing the data. He said the team spent the
last two years checking the research for errors.

Other astronomers called the work a remarkable technical achievement and said
the findings will shape the thinking of cosmologists who are trying to figure
out the evolution of the universe.

``It provides us an extra clue and an extra restraint on the theories of the
early universe,'' said Martin Rees, a cosmologist at the Institute of
Astronomy in Cambridge, England. ``It gives us more confidence in working out
the details.''

Rees said that by knowing the amount of energy emitted by stars over time,
theorists will be better able to gauge the amount of star formation that has
occurred since the Big Bang, the theoretical beginning of the universe.

Eli Dwek, a NASA astronomer at the Goddard Spaceflight Center, said the study
was equivalent to sampling part of the light emitted from all light bulbs
since the bulb was invented.

``For the first time,'' he said, ``we have detected a significant fraction of
all of the starlight that has been emitted from the first.''

Astrophysicists will have to modify some parts of existing theories in order
to comply with the new data from the Hauser group, he said.

Hauser said the study shows that about 30 percent of the energy from starlight
is present in the far infrared. An additional 20 percent of stellar energy can
be seen in visible light. He said at least half of the energy from stars is
obscured by dust.

``This implies that one-half to two-thirds of the radiation (from stars) is in
shrouded regions,'' said David Spergel, a Princeton astronomer. He said the
``quite compelling'' evidence from the new study opens up new areas of study
in stellar evolution.

``Much of star formation history has been hidden from us before now,'' said
Spergel.

Steve Maran, a NASA astronomer, said the new temperature measurements will
lead to a ``mushrooming'' of star formation theories.

``It's not rewriting the textbooks,'' said Maran, ``but it will help add
chapters.''

Hauser said that the work supports the idea that stars, burning hydrogen and
helium in their nuclear fusion fires, have consumed about 6 percent of the
nuclear fuel available in the universe.

That means that the universe's fusion fuel tank is at the 94 percent mark.
Eventually, in perhaps 100 billion years, stars are expected to burn the last
of the available hydrogen and helium and the universe will become dark, cold
and lifeless.

AP-NY-01-09-98 1605EST

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:20:11 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:02:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
> To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:51:35 -0500

<snip>

> As for Dave assuming that the aliens practice our own conception
> of genetics...I know what you mean, and that kind of
> anthropomorphic thinking gets truly ludicrous in a UFO context.
> (Worse example: Skeptics who just know UFOs can't be alien
> because, damn it, aliens just wouldn't behave like that!)

LOL!  Innit it da trud! :)

> But Dave's not guilty of it. For better or worse, he says he has
> his information directly from the horse's mouth, or, anyway, at
> least the pony's mouth -- he says the hybrids have been telling
> abductees the purpose of the project. He's just passing on what
> they've said.

Well, we must consider others (WS, etal) who say that they
believe the greys to be deceptive beings.  Plus, there's the
possibility that some abductees suffer from the Stockholm
Syndrome, making them open to believe whatever they are told by
their captors.

I honestly think that Jacobs' theory is the best one of the
bunch.  As I hinted earlier, in an attempt at humor, I have
considered the greys were modifying our race long before it came
out in Jacobs' book.  It could explain the coexistence of modern
man with neanderthal although they are shown recently to be
different species.  But, I don't see the point.  If they keep
mixing their genes with ours, we get closer and closer to being
them.  Heck, why not just sterilize the planet and populate it
with greys?

No, I have to believe that intelligence has been pervasive in the
galaxy for eons.  And that those intelligences would not allow
such interference in the development of a planet.  That is,
unless this planet has been through the cycle of evolution to
intelligence and failed.  Now there's an interesting thought.  If
we had our chance and failed, as in Alantis' self destruction,
maybe it's okay to try modifying the species into one with a
better chance.

Of course, the Prime Directive was a joke.  Capt. Kirk spread
*his seed* practically everywhere he went. :-o

Terry









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                             RAF Woodbridge U.K.

From: Brisciano Tony TSgt 100SUPS/LGSF <Tony.Brisciano@mildenhall.af.mil>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:53 -0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:41:11 -0500
Subject: RAF Woodbridge U.K.

I have a story to tell.

27 Dec 1980, I was working the desk at the fuels management
branch at Bentwaters. After midnight we went to a one manshop
until 0700 hr. Well I was the person on duty at the time and
around 0230 I recieved a call from MOCC that there were several
emergency vehicles at Woodbridge needing fuel asap. Back then we
had to cover both bases and I would close up the shop and I would
respond personally.

Well I drove over to Woodbridge and I started to take the road to
the back gate which would save some time. About 3 minutes into
my driving something in my head said "Do not go this way",
well I was 20 yrs old then and I was afraid of the dark and the
whole route to Woodbridge back gate is nothing but woods and no
street lights and very dark, so I listened to that voice in my
head and I turned around and proceded to go to the front gate.

After about 15 minutes I reached my destination which was the
military gas pumps and I never saw so many police vehicles and
equipment waiting for fuel especially in the early hours of the
morning. There were about 12 or 13 vehicles mostly pick ups with
light all attached and a few police cars.  Oh!  And one Lt. Col
Holt who was in one hell of a hurry.  He bitched at me to "snap
it up and get these pumps going".  He did'nt want to here it that
I was doing my best to find the power switches and again rushed
me around, well I did get the power on and the vehicles got there
fuel but not one of those cops said a word to me that evening.

I drove back to Bentwaters and I did'nt think anymore about it
until rumours started to circulate about UFOs, well I was sure
glad I had listened to my consience.  Over the next couple of
weeks there was an influx of civilians and civilian type a/c
landing at both bases so I am convinced that something did occur,
what, I can't say but I will tell you this and that  those cops
were out doing something unusual in the early hours of the
morning.

I have another story to tell about losing time that week.
If any one is interested e-mail me.

BRISCIT








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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Bryan Butcher <being@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:05:52 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:44:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of
>   Nature

> >From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To:
> >updates@globalserve.net
> >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:36:27 +0200
> >Subject: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

> >Found in the electronic edition of The Nando Times. URL:

> >http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/010898/health7_18738_nof
> >rames.h tml

> >Scientist believes Martian 'face' is no accident of nature

> >WASHINGTON (January 8, 1998 00:07 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net)
> >-- The mysterious "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion or a
> >natural feature on the Red Planet, a scientist reported Wednesday
> >at a major astronomical conference.

> >Dr. Tom Van Flandern reached the conclusion after new studies of
> >the Cydonia region, where strange-looking landforms have excited
> >science fiction and life-on-other-worlds buffs for decades.
> > ....

> Hello Stig,

> I wouldn't get my hopes up that Van Flandern's conclusions will
> carry any weight at all within scientific astronomical circles.
> He has put forth quite a few scientific conclusions within his
> book that go strongly against "mainstream" astronomical thinking,
> so that he'll surely receive the standard treatment of attacks on
> his scientific character through ridicule. His book is _Dark
> Matter, Missing Planets, and New Comets: Paradoxes Resolved,
> Origins Illuminated_.

> For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
> that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
> now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
> known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
> the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

> Yet his book contains many innovative and well argued ideas.

> Jim Deardorff


Jim...

Not to disagree with your statement...a great deal of it is
probably true, but...

Tom Van Flandern speaking for the pro-Cydonia movement is a very
big plus.  You are correct in stating he is going against
"mainstream" and in the words of Michael Malin, "conventional"
conclusions of the region, but, this does not prove the monuments
are natural occurring artifacts.

It is also true Van Flandern's book caused a stir in the
astronomy community...along with Louis Frank's research on "small
comets" impacting our atmosphere daily (up to 10 million per
year).  But this is not a negative, it is progress in how we see
our universe.  This type of research is needed in mainstream
science, and it is welcomed by most.
The critics will scream the loudest, but the knowledge we gain
from these investigations will mold the conventional wisdom of
the future.

I don't know if the "Face" is artifical, there is still more to
learn. I am happy there are professional astronomers putting
their reputations on the line to focus on discovering the
truth...they are the true heros of our day.

cheers,
Bryan Butcher
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                NASA's Search For ET Life Becomes Earnest As

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:44:11 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:17:46 -0500
Subject: NASA's Search For ET Life Becomes Earnest As

Found at MSNBC's site. The links are preceded by asterisks. URL:

http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/135159.asp

*******


The search for extraterrestrial life becomes earnest as the century ends

NASA wants to compile a catalog of the fingerprints of life

By Alan Boyle MSNBC


WASHINGTON - Looking ahead to the next millennium, NASA=92s chief on
Wednesday emphasized the search for extraterrestrial life as a top goal
and took astronomers to task for lacking formal training in biology. As
part of the "new unifying approach to biology within the agency," NASA
Administrator Dan Goldin said he would set up an electronic Virtual
Astrobiology Institute.=BF =BF =BF =BF        =BF =BF =BF =BF =BF =BF =BF   =

*NASA Home Page

*The Planetary Society

*To follow up on the success of the Mars landers and orbiters, NASA is
planning a 2005 mission aimed at returning a sample of Martian rocks
and soil to Earth.

MIDWAY INTO his address to the American Astronomical Society on the
future strategy for the space agency=92s involvement in scientific
investigation, Goldin asked all those who had formal academic training
in biology to raise their hands.

"Is this the group that=92s going to search for life? I think I counted
two or three hands," the former aerospace executive said.

"This is a serious problem," he said. "The leadership of NASA, the
leadership of the scientific community, is saying we=92re going to
develop platforms that cost hundreds of billions of dollars, yet we
don=92t have a biologist in the house to help us define what the
requirements for the science might be."

Afterward, several astronomers said they didn=92t take Goldin=92s comments
as a personal rebuke, but as a reflection of changes in the nation=92s
scientific agenda.

"We all have our different disciplines," said Richard Rand of the
University of New Mexico=92s Institute for Astrophysics, whose research
focuses on the nature of interstellar matter. "The biologists would
probably have the same problem with astronomy."


NASA=92S HOLY GRAIL

George Withroe, head of NASA=92s Sun-Earth Connections program, said the
search for life on other heavenly bodies has become a "Holy Grail" and
a unifying theme for the space agency=92s research.

"If we find it, it=92ll be like the =91Earthrise=92 picture," Withroe said,
referring to the famous Apollo image of Earth floating in space above
the moon=92s horizon.

Goldin invoked more recent glories in his call to focus on space
biology: The Mars Pathfinder and Global Surveyor missions, for example,
found evidence that the Red Planet was once warmer, wetter and much
more Earthlike. A Martian meteorite found in Antarctica contained
microscopic traces of structures some believe might be fossilized life
forms. Meanwhile, data from the Galileo probe hinted that Europa, a
moon of Jupiter, had a liquid water ocean beneath its crust of ice.

Goldin hailed the Hubble Space Telescope=92s repair as "one of the most
remarkable turnarounds in the history of the agency," and said future
space-based observing instruments will yield even more information
about distant planetary systems.

"We must look for planets more similar to Earth," he said.


ROBOTIC MISSIONS TO EUROPA, PLUTO

Goldin noted several other future robotic missions, including the plan
to send an orbiter to Europa and a deep space probe to Pluto and beyond
in the next decade.

To follow up on the success of the Mars landers and orbiters, NASA is
planning a 2005 mission aimed at returning a sample of Martian rocks
and soil to Earth. Goldin said NASA was hoping to put together a second
sample-return mission in cooperation with French officials, perhaps
using the Ariane rocket used for European launches.

He told MSNBC that the plan for the Virtual Astrobiology Institute,
which would apparently use the Internet to put biologists, chemists and
physicists in touch with each other, was still in the formative stage.

"We need a catalog of detectable characteristics of extraterrestrial
biospheres ... a catalog of fingerprints for life," he told the
astronomers.

He also trumpeted research into such frontiers of space science as
gamma-ray bursts, the origins of the universe and breakthrough
propulsion technologies. He hoped propulsion techniques would reach a
level that would enable robotic explorers to be sent to the most
promising planetary candidates beyond our solar system, sending back
data within just a few human generations.

"What an incredible way it would be to close the 21st century, to have
a spacecraft approaching a rendezvous with another planetary system,"
he said.


FASTER, CHEAPER, BETTER ROBOTS

In keeping with NASA=92s push for "faster, cheaper, better" space
exploration, Goldin said future space robots had to become smaller and
easier to mass-produce, drawing an analogy to the personal computer
revolution.

Although Golden waxed eloquently on the marvels of robotic exploration,
he specifically reserved any comment about human space flight, saying
that subject would be reserved for another speech.

Thus, there was no mention of the megabillion-dollar International
Space Station, the agency=92s costliest and most controversial program.
But NASA=92s Withroe said later that the space station, which will be
constructed in orbit beginning this summer, would serve as a test bed
for future human missions to Mars and elsewhere. "Why limit ourselves
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                  Toxic Data At Area 51 Ruled Confidential

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:49:02 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:19:54 -0500
Subject: Toxic Data At Area 51 Ruled Confidential

>From the site of the Las Vegas Sun. URL:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/1998/jan/08/506681867.html

*******


January 08, 1998


Toxic data at Area 51 ruled confidential


By Bob Egelko
ASSOCIATED PRESS


SAN FRANCISCO - An attempt to pry loose information about alleged
toxic waste burning at a secret Air Force site in the Nevada
desert - said to be the "Area 51" of extraterrestrial lore - hit
a stone wall of secrecy in a federal appeals court Thursday.

Lawyers for five current and former workers at the base, and the
widows of two workers allegedly killed by toxic wastes, are not
entitled to learn whether hazardous substances exist there or how
they are handled, the results of a federal toxics inspection or
even the name of the base, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
said.

The 3-0 ruling upheld the Air Force's claim that giving out that
information could endanger national security and a 1995 order by
President Clinton further restricting disclosure. Before
arguments in the case last November, the judges reviewed
confidential government statements, while Air Force security
officers guarded their conference room.

Besides the classified statements, the court cited an
unclassified filing by Air Force Secretary Sheila Widnall, who
said information about certain chemicals in the soil or water
"can reveal military operational capabilities or the nature and
scope of classified operations."

The court, in an opinion by Judge Pamela Rymer, said the
disclosure of even "seemingly innocuous information" can be
barred if it is part of a "mosaic" of classified information.

"The court cannot order the government to disentangle this
information from other classified information," Rymer said. She
said the court was persuaded not only that the information was
properly withheld, but also that "any further proceeding in this
matter would jeopardize national security."

Jonathan Turley, a Georgetown law professor who represented the
workers, said the ruling "sets an extremely dangerous precedent"
for anyone seeking information from the military.

"This case has nothing to do with national security," he said. "I
obviously know what happened at Area 51. My (clients) worked at
Area 51. ...This case has to do with criminal violations" of
hazardous waste laws.

He said he would seek a rehearing from the entire court and, if
unsuccessful, appeal to the Supreme Court. But Turley said the
two lawsuits have also accomplished an important goal: forcing
the government to acknowledge the site and conduct a toxics
inspection, although results of the inspection were not made
public.

Justice Department spokesman Joe Krovisky declined comment,
saying government lawyers had not seen the ruling.

Area 51, about 90 miles north of Las Vegas, is a base where
military aircraft such as the U-2 and Stealth fighter were
tested. Its secrecy and remoteness have been prime fodder for UFO
buffs, who link the site to the supposed crash of an alien
spacecraft at Roswell, N.M. - a scenario played out in the movie
"Independence Day."

In the current case, the government identified the site in
question as "the operating location near Groom Lake" and denied
it was Area 51. The court left the denial unchallenged after
reviewing classified material.

Turley scoffed at the denial, saying the name was verified in a
government security manual as well as declarations from workers
and security officials.

The lawsuits said employees at the base routinely put hazardous
chemicals in open 55-gallon drums and burned them. The suits said
the exposure killed two workers, Walter Kasza, 73, and Robert
Frost, 57, whose widows Turley represents, and injured the other
plaintiffs.

Turley said Frost, before his death, lost a workers' compensation
claim for his injuries, and Kasza never filed one. The workers
sought no damages but requested a court finding that the Air
Force stored toxic wastes without a permit, and orders forbidding
transportation and burning of toxics.

U.S. District Judge Philip Pro denied the requests but ruled that
the results of an Environmental Protection Agency inspection of
the site, conducted in response to one suit, would have to be
made public unless Clinton intervened. The president then barred
disclosure under a law that lets him exempt any federal facility
from requirements of a federal toxic cleanup law.

The government appealed Pro's ruling, saying the report should
have been declared secret under national security without the
president's intervention, which must be renewed annually. The
court declined to decide the issue, saying it was no longer a
live controversy because of Clinton's action.

Rymer's opinion denying disclosure and ordering dismissal of the
case was joined by Judge Harlington Wood of the 7th U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals, temporarily assigned to the panel. In a
separate opinion, Judge A. Wallace Tashima said secrecy was
proper but should require a presidential order rather than a
subordinate's declaration of national security.

The case is Kasza vs. Browner, 96-15535.



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               Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:36 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:21:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Astonishing Intelligent Artifacts(?) On Far

>From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:23:29 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Artifacts on the Moon

>Hi all,

>Go to this link found on the Sightings on the Radio home page.
>It's interesting and I would like to know what everybody thinks.

>http://www.sightings.com/ufo/moonobject.htm

Hi Joe,

I also don't know what to make of those anomalies.  Here are some
"problems" with several of them:

1.  Objects A, B and C in the first enlargement all line up
precisely with the top-bottom axis of the picture, which doesn't
instill confidence that they show genuine artifacts.  Then on
close inspection one sees similar, though much fainter, line
segments scattered all over and alined the same way, which then
bolster the non-real impression.

2.  Objects A and B cast apparent shadows whose edges diverge
significantly, as if illuminated by a strong light source nearby
on the left rather than by the distant sun.  And in places, these
shadows seem too black.  Yet, "data drop-out" doesn't seem to
explain it either.

3.  Object D not only has a deep-black shadow to its right, but a
small one also on its left (sunlit) side.

4.  The huge pipe-like protuberances seem very hard to explain
away as artifacts, and thus cause one to ponder over these other
nearby anomalies.

So I come to no conclusion, and await other opinions,

Jim Deardorff









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                           Re: Scottish Explosion

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 03:39:52 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:26:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Scottish Explosion

Hello All,

I would like to correct the previous post concerning Scottish
explosions that was recently posted to the list. This typing
mistake was brought to my attention and should be noted that this
case was 1996 and not 1997 as stated.

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                  'Sightings' Launches Series of Exposes on

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:20:41 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:05:57 -0500
Subject: 'Sightings' Launches Series of Exposes on


"Sightings" Launches Series of Exposes on Paranormal Topics With
"Sightings: In-Depth and Beyond," a Collection of Comprehensive
Two-Hour Investigative Reports

LOS ANGELES--(ENTERTAINMENT WIRE)--Jan. 9, 1998--

"UFOs -- The 100 Year Cover-Up" Premieres Jan. 17 on Sci-Fi

Channel as First of Five Specials

The "Sightings" franchise continues to expand with the
announcement of five comprehensive television exposes under the
banner of "Sightings: In- Depth and Beyond," which will air
quarterly beginning on Jan. 17 with the first installment, "UFOs
-- The 100 Year Cover-Up."

Reaching beyond the scope of the weekly format, each special will
focus on a single topic in an extensive and probing two-hour
examination.

Each two-hour installment will objectively delve into a single
key topic of paranormal exploration, addressing societal debates
on humanity and the chilling prospects for our future; contact
with the afterlife; alien abductions; the history of UFO
conspiracy; and the untapped power of the human mind.

"Sightings" has secured supporting and opposing commentary from
experts in the fields of inquiry including authors, scientists
and government officials. The specials also provide a forum for
candid discussion of firsthand personal experiences. The
combination of personal experience and professional opinion
invites viewers to draw their own conclusions by weighing the
credibility of accounts and tangible evidence.

"UFOs -- The 100 Year Cover-Up" will premiere Jan. 17 at 7 p.m.
on Sci-Fi Channel and will repeat throughout the remainder of the
month. Beginning with reports of the first modern UFO sighting in
1897, in Aurora, Texas, the special chronicles 100 years of UFO
sightings, eyewitness accounts, plausible explanations and claims
of government cover-ups. In an exhaustive report, "Sightings"
provides one of the most sweeping UFO studies ever broadcast.

"Sightings," the leading authority on paranormal and supernatural
investigation and television's primary source for exploration
into the unknown, permeates all forms of media. Ancillary
products include a series of two books, including the newly
released "Sightings: UFOs"; a CD-ROM titled "Sightings:
UFOPEDIA"; a series of home videos; a weekly radio program; and a
Web site accessible at www.scifi.com/sightings .

Produced by Winkler/Daniel Productions and Triage Entertainment
in association with Paramount Domestic Television, "Sightings"
airs exclusively on the Sci-Fi Channel, a USA Network. Tim White
is the host of "Sightings"; Henry Winkler and Ann Daniel are
executive producers. The Paramount Television Group is part of
the entertainment operations of Viacom Inc.

    --30--RPL/la  DB/la

CONTACT:

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                           The Illogical Scientist

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:34:03 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:10:17 -0500
Subject: The Illogical Scientist

"Dan, the Illogical Scientist" made an appearance in Dilbert just
before Xmas.

In one strip, he comes up to Dilbertand says, "Hi, I'm Dan, the
illogical scientist. I'm much smarter than you because scientists
have invented many things."

"But those are OTHER scientists, not you," Dilbert objects.

"Apparently you don't understand science," Dan replies.

In another strip, he comes up to Alice, another engineer in
Dilbert's office. He looks over her shoulder at something she's
writing, and the dialogue goes like this:

Dan: Hi. I'm Dan, the illogical scientist. That idea won't work.
I know because I've read many reports about ideas like that.

Alice: You haven't even looked at my idea.

Dan: Oh, I get it; you're one of those religious nuts.

Don't we know this guy?

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                   Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:28:28 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 08:49:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico


> From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:12:56 -1000

> > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: UFO UpDate: Sighting - Puerto Vallerta, Mexico
> > Date: Thursday, January 8, 1998 13:45 PM
>
> > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:26:32 +0100 (MET)
> > To: UFO Updates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, UASR@MyList.net
> > From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
> > Subject: Sighting

> > Hi list,

> > This is a forwarded sighting. Anyone else who has seen this?

> > I would like to report a personal sighting which occurred on Jan 5 at
> > 3:30 am on the beach at Puerto Vallerta, Mexico.  I am an airline pilot
> > with over 30 years flying experience, including 24 years as a fighter
> > pilot in the USAF and Air National Guard.  While standing on the beach
> > and looking at the stars with another airline pilot, I observed a
> > reddish colored light which I initially thought was a meteorite, move
> > rapidly from east to west nearly directly overhead.  As I pointed out
> > the light to my companion, the object suddenly changed directions by
> > about 135 degrees of turn and very sharply.  The movement defied any
> > laws of flight and physics that I am aware of.  The light made another
> > rapid change of course back to a westerly heading, then disappeared out
> > of sight.  I was so startled that I immediately confirmed with my
> > companion what I had just seen.  I have never seen any flying object
> > perform this type of manuevering before.

> I hadn't seen the post but I have seen the object, or one very
> similar. It's more of a light red color.  It transits Hawaii on
> occasion, coming from the south of the Big Island on a
> south-to-north course, turns right 90=B0 and departs eastbound. It
> covers about 60 degrees of arc in five or 6 seconds and another
> 80 degrees after the turn in about 7 seconds. I don't know where
> Puerto Vallarta is, but I am at about 20=B0 north latitude so if
> the object continues on a great circle route it would end up
> around Guadalajara. I have always assumed that it was some US
> military craft verifying it's navigation. I can tell you that it
> moves right along.

> Aloha
> Tom Burnett

Hmmm...  An object passing through 90 degrees of view, centered
overhead, from an observer in some 10 seconds.  What known things
could it be?  A big insect at tree top level flying at 15 kph.  A
pigeon passing at 110 meters doing 80 kph.  A small plane doing
200 kph will be at some 275 meters.  The SR-71 at Mach 3.0 will
be at 5 kilometers.  A mystical Mach 9 plane would, of course, be
at 15 kilometers.  A dangerously low satellite at 100 kilometers
would be zipping along at 72,000 kph.

Remember, this experiment is set up favoring the object being
farthest away and least recognizable.  Oh, and near the equator,
the observer moves some 4 km in that 10 seconds.  So, which of
the above would be reasonable explanations for the observed
phenomema?  Let us safely rule out big bugs, fireflys, pigeons,
common planes, and orbiting spaceships.  Yes, orbiting things
follow orbital mechanics and 72,000 kph is WAY too fast.

That leaves the SR-71 and the Mystical Mach 9 machines (the
"Aurora" kind of thing.)  Only, there are some small nagging
problems.  Sure, the SR-71 does Mach 3, but usually at 25 km
altitude.  It is probably still classified, but I suspect the
flight envelope rules out Mach 3 at 5 kilometers.  To a lesser
extent, we can doubt the MM9M does Mach 9 at 15 km altitude.  At
their operational altitudes, they are taking much more than 10
seconds to make this same pass.  Even in straight passes, these
observations challenge known technology.

Wait, you say, the flying objects also made sudden turns.  My
memory is not very exact, but I think the SR-71 took a small
state to make a U-turn. The MM9M probably doesn't do much better.
 From the ground this would be seen as smooth sweeping curves,
not sharp changes in direction.  This makes it fairly reasonable
that whatever was seen was not any known or rumored technology.


I admit it.  I haven't contributed anything to discovering what
they might have been.  I only wanted to give more substance to
what they are not...

Bye...  Ted..








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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:11:53 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:29:27 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

As I mentioned not long ago, as the year 2000 approached we will
see more of the groups who whose "elevators don't quite make it
to the top"   coming out  of the wood work, operating under the
notion that the "end of the world is at hand."

Hopefully someone will also interceed if the group in Texas
decides to kill itself at the end of March.

  This News item ran on the Skywatch list.  It was



From: "Skywatch International" <SKYWATCH_OK@MSN.COM>
To: "(list #1)" <skywatch_ok@MSN.COM>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:48:45 +0000
Subject: Police thwart doomsday group mass suicide


* FOR POSTING *

News item found on Reuters -

Cliff Capers
ccapers@geocities.com
--------------------------------------------


Police thwart doomsday group mass suicide

MADRID (Reuters) - Spanish police foiled a mass suicide planned
by a 30-member sect whose members believed they would be carried
away by spaceship from the summit at Tenerife's Teide volcano,
officials said Thursday.

The group, which may be linked to the infamous Solar Temple
suicide cult or a Hindu apocalyptic sect, was convinced that the
end of the world would take place this evening, according to a
Canaries government official.

They were planning to end their lives on earth and travel by
spaceship to a new world.

Police in the Canary Islands had been tracking the group's
movements for some time and its leader, a German psychologist,
was arrested late Wednesday for inducement to suicide.

Another 30 members of the group, including four minors, have been
identified. Most are Germans, officials said.

They were staging a "last supper" at a private residence in the
city of Santa Cruz de Tenerife before police intervened.

"Inducement to suicide is a crime, and for that reason the
security forces had to avoid this evil thing," Antonio Lopez, the
Canaries official, told a news conference.

"It is not even clear which branch the sect is, whether it is the
so-called Solar Temple cult or whether it is a splinter of this
group....Many types are possible, based on the personality of the
leader."

Officials believe the Canaries group emerged from the Isis
Holistic Center in Santa Cruz.

Since 1994, 74 followers of the Solar Temple cult have committed
suicide. The sect believes that death voyages by ritualized
suicide lead to rebirth in a place called "Sirius."

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                 'Sightings' On TV Exposes The UFO Cover-Up

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:13:47 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:39:07 -0500
Subject: 'Sightings' On TV Exposes The UFO Cover-Up

The Sci-Fi Channel's 'Sightings' program airs a 2-hour special on
the UFO cover-up during the second half of January. A short
introduction can be found at:

http://www.scifi.com/sightings/

and the schedule after that.

*******

Hosted by Tim White


This investigative show takes a look into dramatic stories of the
paranormal. Sightings reporters investigate claims of strange
and unexplained phenomenons such as UFOs, ghosts, ESP and the
unknown. "No mystery is closed to an open mind", says host Tim
White.

SIGHTINGS SPECIAL: Accounts of flying saucers and recovered alien
pilots have circulated for more than a century but why have all
these sightings been downplayed or completely ignorged by the
governments of the world? Has there been a ufo cover-up all these
years? SIGHTINGS presents a comprehensive examination of UFO
occurances and analysizes current theories about the truth behind
classic saucer sightings dating back from an 1897 airship crash
in Texas to the mass sightings of UFOs over Arizonia in 1997. Has
there been a effective cover-up of alien visitations for over a
hundred years - and more importantly, is that cover-up coming to
an end?

<snipped>

*******


The air times can be found at

http://www.scifi.com/usfeed/events.html


*******



SIGHTINGS IN DEPTH AND BEYOND:

UFO'S: THE 100 YEAR COVER-UP


Saturday,  January 17 at  7PM ET*

Sunday,    January 18 at  3PM ET*

Wednesday, January 25 at  10AM ET*

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                            More Help for Philip

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:54:35 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:18:07 -0500
Subject: More Help for Philip


Dear colleagues,

I wonder can you help me obtain information on the following areas of UFO
research.

1. UFO LANDING CASES.

2. UFO SIGHTINGS BY YOUNG PEOPLE (under 18).

Any help in obtaining information  on either of these topics
would be greatly appreciated. Confidentiality of any witness
details is guaranteed and credit will be given for any material
published.


Yours Sincerely,


Philip Mantle.
1 Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire, England, WF17 7SW. Tele/fax:
01924 444049. E-mail: el51@dial.pipex.com












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                         'Beyond Roswell' on CD-ROM

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:13:16 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:32:48 -0500
Subject: 'Beyond Roswell' on CD-ROM

Dear colleagues,

Later this month will see the release of our book 'BEYOND
ROSWELL' on CD-ROM. Produced by Binary Media Works in New York,
the CD will contain additional material not featured in the book.
This additional material has mainly been supplied by Bob Shell,
but some also from myself and Michael Hesemann.

Those wishing to obtain a review copy of the CD should contact
Lewis Gersh at Binary Media Works at: LDGersh@aol.com

Binary Media Works are also offering a generous discount for
people wishing to purchase bulk copies of the CD of BEYOND
ROSWELL. Again, should you be interested in purchasing copies
please contact Lewis Gersh at the e-mail address outlined above.
Those wishing to purchase their own copies of the CD can also do
via Lewis Gersh.

Later this month will also see the launch of our Beyond Roswell
web site.

Put the address in your note book now as we will be at:
www.beyondroswell.com

Yours Sincerely,


Philip Mantle.
Co-author, BEYOND ROSWELL.

PS.

For anyone interested, BEYOND ROSWELL is now on sale in Australia, New
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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #213

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:54:58 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:35:36 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #213

Apology to MW #213 (For January 10, 1998)

I know the  man that produced the man that's nearest to my soul.
He's psychopathic, unclean living, people hating -- cold. He's
stealing from his credit cards, he leans on Walton's store. He
owes on bills he'll never yield, so he's stealing from the poor.
His motto is to make us pay, before we do to him -- what he in
fact does see some do on arbitrary whim. He calls himself a
patriot -- that refuge of a scoundrel, he brought his kids up on
abuse, he gave all three bad counsel. One's a paid assassin; one
murdered three then self; the last is quite the opposite.
He's a saint who knows himself.

Self actualized and learned he puts his finger where it hurts and
shows us where we're bleeding when we stumble in the murk. He has
a strong compassion for a fair play dream ideal that would move
us into space right now in a million living wheels. The riches
would be dreamlike and we'd lose most all our pain, if we got the
hell off mother Earth and gave her some refrain.

He pointed up that laws are writ with big men in control; it's
simpler then to work ill will while the opposite's extolled. The
'man' can MAKE you crazy; the 'man' can work his will; the 'man'
can treat your rights like so much sludge or garden fill.
Institutions are their prisons and contrived to obfuscate the
rights of one to speedy trials; they make the facts, then, late.
Labeled *crazy* one's *unfit* to list the facts/defense to free
them. This is why they get no trial, so YOU won't get to see
them!

Remember this when *shadows* gather up, and take _your_ stuff.
Remember this when right's are trampled, like they are --
enough's enough! Shadows set the scene with money that is spent
to paint you crazy so a few can work ill will on YOU, beware!
Stop being lazy!

Compared to our antagonist, the old man at the top, John Ford's a
knighted saint (way high), and his ethics are untopped.  But we
suffer the old psychopath that's lessor than the kid that sells
some crack to school chums -- we will, and have, and did. John
Ford was getting noisy with reports of "water heating" so they
stuffed him deep into a hole for status quo safe keeping? And it
may be that he's crazy -- but was _driven_ to it, friend! He
called attention to their *stuff* =85 it was _that_ that locked him
in!


                                     Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Court TV! -- Let's add THEM to our short list of those to get our
attention! It's a natural! It's topical and sure to increase
ratings!
(sheesh -- talk about serpents for bedfellows. Let's throw in a
car salesman and a loan officer, and run _off_ the honest hooker
<g>)

Yeah! Yeah! What if he really _is_ unbalanced, or a few chops
short of a mixed grill? On the other hand, what if he _is_ being
persecuted for honest, sincere, and _justified_ PASSIONS that
_all_ of us would feel if _any_ of us had gotten near to the
bottom of his strident (and ironic!) uphill investigation! The
conditions, occurrences, and events surrounding the confinement
of John Ford begs a SECOND or even THIRD (forth!) look at his
plight.  A look he will _not_ get if we accept the word of the
"Ford hounded", and likely, unethical machine that's confined
him.

Him now =85 you later. And probably soon.

If I was there you could free him to MY custody. I'd take a
chance! At least I would be willing to make up my own mind! Hound
the networks!

Free John Ford, hell! =85_RESTORE_ John Ford!!


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                           Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:38:45 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:37:23 -0500
Subject: Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.


>From: Brisciano Tony TSgt 100SUPS/LGSF
><Tony.Brisciano@mildenhall.af.mil>
>To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: RAF Woodbridge U.K.
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:53 -0000

>I have a story to tell.

<Snip>

>Well I drove over to Woodbridge and I started to take the road to
>the back gate which would save some time. About 3 minutes into
>my driving something in my head said "Do not go this way",
>well I was 20 yrs old then and I was afraid of the dark and the
>whole route to Woodbridge back gate is nothing but woods and no
>street lights and very dark, so I listened to that voice in my
>head and I turned around and proceded to go to the front gate.
[snip]

>I have another story to tell about losing time that week.
>If any one is interested e-mail me.
>
>BRISCIT


Hello list and Tony,

I'm sure we would all like to hear your story, Tony. Afterall,
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                                     Re:

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:03:13 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:41:48 -0500
Subject: Re:

SKYWATCH HOUR CHAT

Sunday night (01/11/98) at 6:00 pm, Pacific on Jim Hickman's
Skywatch hour chat, his guest will be author Stan Friedman, for a
discussion about ACC and Friedman's new book, 'Top Secret Magic'.
We hope to see you there! The chat is available at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO

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                 Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:53 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:40:11 -0500
Subject: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

Washington, DC - 1952

Starting January 13th, the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and the
International Society for UFO Research (ISUR) will commence an
investigation into this well known case. MSN's UFO Forum will
assist in coordinating the effort.

Join coordinating Investigator, Michael Fousse from ISUR, on
Tuesday, January 13th, 6pm PT, at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO

for a live chat on the background of this case and where it
stands today.

Also available is a Netshow audio interview with Michael in
regards to the findings and lack thereof on the part of Project
Blue Book and other known investigations.  We will also discuss
the publication in the Washington DC metropolitan and suburban
areas on January 14th of the following ad:

Washington, DC in 1952
An investigation is underway of reported UFO sightings in
Washington DC in the summer of 1952. The Center for UFO Studies
(CUFOS) and the International Society for UFO Research (ISUR)
have joined with the Microsoft Network's UFO Forum to contact
witnesses of these events. Also sought are any current or past
government employees who have personal experience with UFO
related issues during their tenure.Personal information will be
kept strictly confidential. Contact can be made at MSN's UFO
Forum, PO Box 190, Marionville, MO 65705, or at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO.


The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.

We actively encourage any and all participation from the UFO
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              Re: FOIA attorney Peter Gersten chats with Byron

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:58 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:52:21 -0500
Subject: Re: FOIA attorney Peter Gersten chats with Byron

Monday, January 12, 1998 at 6 p.m. pacific time, the Timeless
Journey chatroom on The UFO Forum will feature Byron Katie and
'The Work.' The Work is described as 'the technology of
freedom.'

Katie travels the world where she is invited to share The Work in
school systems, churches, radio, TV, corporations, prisons,
households and now with us this Monday night. The chat is
available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

UFO/alien abductions will be the subject of The Work. Anyone with
such an experience and wishing to interact with Katie and
experience The Work firsthand, should contact Peter Gersten at
UFOLAWYER1@aol.com prior to Monday night for a four question
questionaire.

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.

If you are having a problem obtaining access to the Timeless
Journeys chatroom, please e-mail me and I will send you the
necessary directions and links.

Peter Gersten                         Byron Katie
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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:15:38 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:58:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

Jim Deardorff wrote:

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of
>   Nature

> Hello Stig,

> I wouldn't get my hopes up that Van Flandern's conclusions will
> carry any weight at all within scientific astronomical circles.

<snip>

> For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
> that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
> now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
> known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
> the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

<snip>

Van Flandern obviously read _Stranger in a Strange Land_. :)

Actually, there is a legitimate theory that a tenth planet once
existed between Mars and Jupiter but it was torn asunder by the
combined tidal forces of these planets, not spiders from Mars
(apologies to Dave Bowie and Bob Heinlein).

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                     Intruders Foundation/AIC to combine

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:01:37 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:00:06 -0500
Subject: Intruders Foundation/AIC to combine

Hello All,

Just a quick announcement. I'm going to combine the Intruders
Foundation Online website with the AIC, (Abduction Information
Center) into one huge abduction related megasite!

The Intruders Foundation will be the 'public' wing and AIC will
be there to service the unique needs for information that
experiencers have. One side public, one side private.

Together we hope to provide a full service website for the
general public, those interested in research, and for the
experiencers themselves.

It'll probably take about a month to perform the 'cosmetic
surgery' required to unite the two websites and I'll post a
formal announcement upon completeion.

IF/AIC, hopefully the best of both worlds!

Peace,

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                       Re: 'Sightings' Launches Series

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:13:02 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:03:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Sightings' Launches Series

> From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:20:41 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Fwd: "Sightings" Launches Series of Exposes on Paranormal...

> "Sightings" Launches Series of Exposes on Paranormal Topics With
> "Sightings: In-Depth and Beyond," a Collection of Comprehensive
> Two-Hour Investigative Reports

> "UFOs -- The 100 Year Cover-Up" Premieres Jan. 17 on Sci-Fi
> Channel as First of Five Specials

This is pretty scary, since I was interviewed with Kenneth Randle
in Chicago last April for this series. This was during the
beginning of the flood disasters at home, and I was a bit
distracted at the time (I couldn't get back home because all the
airports were closed for days).

I can't even recall what I said during the interviews, but I
remember thinking that it wasn't my best commentary and I wasn't
satisfied with the way the interview went. Oh, well, we'll see
how I'm editing in!


--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
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              CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in the

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:38:38 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:07:54 -0500
Subject: CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in the

Just thought I'd post a note to this list regarding Quebec
members. I just spoke with Christian Page today (Saturday). He
and Jacques Poulet are in some of the areas hardest-hit by the
ice storm. I was unable to reach Jacques by phone, but managed to
reach Christian after a few tries. He reports that they are
without heat and electricity, but do have phone service. He said
that Jacques has been without *everything* for 5 days!

It's a tough situation, and I told Christian that the thoughts of
everyone on the List are with them both and their families.

--
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                 FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over

From: "skyeking@aye.net" <skyeking@aye.net> [Jerry Washington]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:38:47 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:11:31 -0500
Subject: FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over

I thought this article that appeared in yesterday's edition
(Jan. 9th) of the Louisville Courier-Journal was interesting.

Jerry Washington
SD Kentucky/MUFON


WASHINGTON - Adm. Thomas Moorer, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF, said yesterday that it's possible a missile
brought down TWA Flight 800 and called for new congressional
hearings.

The Boeing 747 disintegrated July 17, 1996, and plunged into the
Atlantic Ocean near Long Island, N.Y., killing 230.

Moorer and other retired Navy brass, at a press conference,
expressed grave suspicion over the FBI's recently concluded
18-month investigation of the disaster. They said a missile
explosion just outside the 747's forward cabin seems the likely
cause.

"All evidence would point to a missile," said Moorer, who is an
expert on missile weaponry. "All those witnesses who saw a streak
that hit the airplance -- you have to assume it's a missile. In
an investigation like this, you can't overlook anything."

Joseph Valiquette, FBI spokesman in New York, said the agency is
"comfortable" with its conclusions that "there's no evidence a
criminal act was responsible."

The Navy officers said a new study of evidence from Flight 800's
data recorders rebuts the government's official story about fuel
vapors exploding in a central tank of the jetliner.

"This is either a train wreck in the sky, or an explosive device
-- mid-air, outside the plane," said retired Navy Cmdr. William
Donaldson, a former plane crash investigator.

Donaldson examined the mountain of material released in early
December about the federal investigation. He particularly
criticized one National Transportation Safety Board document
reflecting flight recorder data that was not discussed when the
material was unveiled in Baltimore.

Donaldson noted a line drawn through readings of the last five
seconds of the doomed jet's flight, with a handwritten margin
note reading "End of Flt. 800 DATA" -- except there are more
revealing readings below it. He thinks this was an attempt to
divert attention from the final readings on the flight recorder.

He said safety officials later tried to convince the Navy
officers it was a transcript from an earlier flight -- a
conclusion former TWA pilot Howard Mann said is "not possible --
it's erased -- there's just no way."

The final readings show chaos in the sky -- with airspeed
dropping instantly by almost 200 knots, the pitch angle jumping
five degrees, altitude dropping 3,600 feet in about three
seconds, the roll angle going from zero to 144 degrees (the plane
almost inverted), and magnetic heading changing from 82 degrees
to 163 degrees.

Donaldson said all these indicate an extremely high-pressure wave
coming from the lower left side of the plane's front. The
measurements "indicate there was an explosion -- a big explosion
-- outside the cockpit."








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               Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:39:37 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:15:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

>From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:53 -0600

>Washington, DC - 1952

>Starting January 13th, the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and the
>International Society for UFO Research (ISUR) will commence an
>investigation into this well known case. MSN's UFO Forum will
>assist in coordinating the effort.

<snip>

Hello to the list and to Yvonne...

I can attest to the following facts that occurred in Washington,
DC in 1952...

I was 20 years old and living in Washington, DC at the time
all the UFO activity was taking place.

There were photographs published in the Washington Post,
along with articles describing the many radar sightings
taking place at the Washington National Airport. For several
days this was the top news story and topic of discussion
over the entire metropolitan area.

The radar sightings were made public and took place over a period
of 2 days. The radar blips would move around at great speed, and
were never accounted for (publicly). Of great interest is the
fact that many of the areas the blips were coming from was and
still is restricted from all aircraft. This area includes the
government office buildings, the Pentagon, and the White- house.

There seemed to be little or no effort being made to conceal the
information from the general public. All forms of media had
much to say about the occurrences over the 2 day period.
It was about this time in my life I became interested in UFOs
and the possible implications  their presence would cause.

...And now a sidebar note... I lived at 1434 Harvard St. N.W.,
The very street that was depicted as having the temporary
residence of the Michael Rennie character in the movie,
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, which came out in 1951,
one year earlier than the great Washington, DC UFO flap.
...An interesting coincidence?

Regards,

Jack Sargeant - Moderator, Fidonet UFO conference.








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                            U-Haul's 'UFO' Trucks

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From: http://www.uhaul.com/html/honors_nm.htm


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

U-HAUL HONORS NEW MEXICO WITH TRUCK GRAPHIC IMAGE TO BE UNVEILED
AT INT'L. UFO MUSEUM IN ROSWELL

ROSWELL, N.M.  (Jan. 5, 1998) U-Haul=AE International, Inc., in
conjunctionwith the International UFO Museum & Research Center
(IUFOMRC) will unveil to the public a spectacular new U-Haul
Super Graphics(SM) truck image promoting the State of New Mexico
on Roswell=92s Main Street, in front of the IUFOMRC, 114 N. Main
St., on Monday, Jan. 12, 1998 at 10 a.m. Local, state and
national dignitaries have been invited, to be addressed by
Roswell Mayor Tom Jennings, IUFOMRC Director Deon Crosby and
representatives from U-Haul International's headquarters in
Phoenix.

The vibrant, larger-than-life images are designed to recognize
America's fascination with the 1947 Roswell incident, as well as
the IUFOMRC's contribution to tourism in the Land of Enchantment.
The U-Haul Super Graphics Salute to America(SM) Campaign was begun
in 1988 to recognize North American mobility by displaying slogans
and distinctive features of all 50 United States and seven
Canadian provinces.  The Roswell Incident / New Mexico  graphic
represents one of the first in a new generation of truck graphics
created by the do-it-yourself household moving industry leader in
nearly 10 years.

Anytime we at the IUFOMRC are approached by an organization that
is willing to go one step further to produce an educational
perception of UFOs or extraterrestrials, we are thrilled and
honored to be partners in the effort.  U-Haul didn't haphazardly
slap together a graphic for this project, said Museum Director
Deon Crosby. Members of the production team at U-Haul took the
time to research the Roswell Incident.  They made a trip to the
International UFO Museum, they made phone calls and they asked
questions.  As a result, the graphic is a credible representation
of the emotion of the celebrated UFO crash of 1947.

John JT Taylor, executive vice president of Fleet Management for
U-Haul International, Inc., explains, As U-Haul celebrates over
50 years as part of Americans' lives, it's our pleasure to join
forces with the State of New Mexico and the International UFO
Museum in Roswell.  People in the communities and on the highways
of North America will have the privilege of seeing this
larger-than-life image of the Roswell incident and the museum for
years to come. We're proud to supplement the effort to promote
tourism in the state by adding the mysterious copy line, 'What
really happened in Roswell' to the images on our moving vans.

Decals for at least 300 moving vans will be produced at Kar-Go
Decal Company in Ivyland, Pa., and will be promptly shipped to
production facilities in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania. There,
the 3M decal material featuring IUFOMRC images promoting the
State of New Mexico will be attached to U-Haul van boxes,
installed on chassis and will be moving families one-way or
locally across America by the end of January.


Copyright 1998 U-Haul International, Inc.
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                        Skywatch: Filer's Files #1'98

From: "Skywatch International" <SKYWATCH_OK@MSN.COM>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:50:02 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:53:22 -0500
Subject: Skywatch: Filer's Files #1'98

Filer's Files #1'98  MUFON Skywatch Investigations
From George A. Filer:  MUFON Eastern Director,
Jan. 7, 1998  Majorstar@aol.com  (609) 654-0020

Happy New Year. The universe is full of wonders patiently waiting for
us to grow wiser.

GEORGIA

State Director, John Thompson reports: "My Vietnam helicopter crewman
witness of the "100 lights V shape UFO" in April has just told me that
on Monday night, Dec. 15th around 11:30 p.m., he and a friend saw a
star-like  object in the western sky. He thought at first it was just
a bright star twinkling, but then a craft from the south moved quickly
in only 3 to-4 seconds.  It left a vapor trail, but they heard no
sound. It then returned just as quickly. Next another craft with a
vapor trail moved to the star-like object from the north and did the
same thing, also leaving a vapor trail. He wondered if maybe he was
observing an aerial  refueling operation, but the speeds were too
great. The star-like object was still there when he and his friend
went inside 15 minutes later.    It could just be a coincidence that
two planes picked the same spot to go to and turn around at--although
he did not see them turn just up and back in a straight line each
time--in front of an actual star in the western sky. The UFOs seemed
to be blinking or flashing lights .

MUFON State Director, John Thompson reports concerning another
triangle shaped UFO. Because of  its size, altitude, speed, and linear
movement it has to be considered that the UFO was, perhaps, only an
airplane with an  unusual lighting configuration. A configuration that
violated FAA  flight rules, since no blinking light was seen. However,
because the  45 year-old, married and college-educated witness says he
does not  believe what he saw was an aircraft, and the UFO made no
sound, it  is included here. The witness was outside of a friend's
house two miles north of  Franklin, Heard County, Georgia on Hwy. 100
when on glancing up he  saw a triangle formation of five bright white
lights moving  east-south-east. The lights, which eventually past
directly  overhead of his location and skirted the northern edge of
Franklin, each had the intensity of "Mars" at its brightest. As  the
witness is an amateur astronomer he felt certain that the  lights,
which at the closest were 2-2500 feet away, were no more  or less
bright than what Mars provides on a brilliantly clear  night. The
lights glided silently overhead and continued their  path to the ESE
for nearly 15 seconds until the witness lost sight  of the
triangle-shaped formation behind some nearby oak trees. At  no time
did he see any of the lights blink. He estimated a speed of "150-200
miles-per-hour," or about the speed of a twin engine propeller driven
aircraft.

The total arrangement of lights had an apparent size of "a  quarter"
and if the entire perimeter of the "triangle" had been  filled in with
lights there would have been room for an additional  20 lights based
on the sketch that the witness made for this field  investigator. Real
size of the UFO would have been about 200 feet.  Five minutes after
viewing the lights, which disappeared in the  Southeast, he saw a
regular commercial airliner flying higher that clearly showed blinking
lights. By then he was in his car driving and was unable to determine
if he could hear  any noise as the airliner flew overhead. It was his
opinion, and  reinforced much after seeing the airliner, that the
earlier  triangle-shaped UFO with lights flew too low and was too big
to be only an airplane.   Interestingly where he saw the lights is
only a mile south of  where another triangle UFO was seen in February
of 1997. Contacts with the Heard County Sheriffs Deptartment and
LaGrange Calloway Airport were negative. Thanks to ISUR and John C.
Thompson. Copyright 1998, All rights reserved.

NORTH CAROLINA

  On Saturday night, December 20, and Sunday night,  December 21,
1997, witnesses in the small towns of  Marshall (population 809) and
Mars Hill (population  1,611) in the Appalachian Mountains of North
Carolina  sighted "a glowing object flying back and forth in  the
night sky."   The sightings were reported Monday, December 22,  1997
on radio station WKSF 99.9FM in Asheville, N.C.  (population
61,607).   "Many people in (rural) Madison County witnessed it," one
man reported.  "At first they thought the object  had been a downed
aircraft.  But no private planes  were reported missing."   Marshall
and Mars Hill are on Highway 213  about 22 miles (35 kilometers) north
of Asheville and 270 miles (432 kilometers) west of Raleigh.  (Many
thanks to Steve Wilson Sr. and Tim Hagemeister of  NACOMM and UFO
Roundup Vol., 3 #1 1/4/98 editor Joseph Trainor)

RHODE ISLAND

Jerome Turner video taped a UFO on October 6, 1997, 12:45 p.m. EST.
over East Greenwich. His web site shows photos of and a video and he
states,  "Today I was sitting at the location of the last sighting
doing some skywatching. Just before I was going to leave I saw what
looked like a thin white plane but I couldn't see any wings or tail. I
decided to get footage of it and analyze it later. When I did look at
it I realized it looked allot like the 'cigar' shaped craft I had read
reports of. Also I found 2 'rods' that appear in the footage. One
flies just below the cigar and looks like it changes course to avoid
the craft. I could  barely see what looked like something falling from
out of the back of the cigar which sparkled slightly. The craft was
approximately 1,000 feet above the ground and was heading West to East
at about the same speed as a slow moving plane. The leading edge was
black and what looked like a black stripe or row of black squares was
on the side. I encourage the reader to go to his web site to see the
video. Thanks to Jerome Turner at:
http://users.ids.net/~equinox/EQrep.html

OHIO

On Friday, December 12, 1997, D.F. was driving  north on Highway 71 in
Columbus, the state capital  of Ohio when he spotted an unusual object
hovering  in the sky off to the right of the highway.   The UFO was
hovering about one mile east of  Cooper Stadium, near the Scioto River
and the intersection of Broad Street and Brown Road.   "Because I have
an interest in the phenomenon of  UFOs, and also a long-standing hobby
of astronomy,  I do try to pay attention to the sky whenever I am
outside," he reported.  "This is a conscious effort on my  part to
increase my chances of seeing things of interest,  be they natural or
unusual."   At 1 a.m., just as he drove past the Interstate Highway
70 turnoff, he "saw the object at a distance of approximately  100
yards or so.  Its angle was perhaps 20 degrees up from  the horizon.
As I came nearer, its outline and size became  clearer...I would
estimate it at approximately 30 to 40 feet  off the ground, and above
a spot about 15 feet to my right.  As I passed it, its position angle
was about 65 degrees  above the horizon."   "I estimate seeing it for
about seven seconds. I  couldn't describe any color other than dark,
except for  the color of the lights on it...The best way to describe
the  thing would be a classic fish shape...it had what looked  like a
fin at the closest end, was bulky toward the middle  and tapered some
at the furthest end."   "The lights seemed to be at the ends.  One was
a  dull red, darker and dimmer than a streetlight, and the other was a
pale green.  The size of the lights appeared  at the time to be as
large as traffic light bulbs, and it  was the lights which first
attracted my attention up into  the sky."   "The object wasn't moving
but I was doing between  45 and 50 miles per hour.  I remember
thinking about getting off at the next exit and trying to get another
look.  But there wasn't one right away and because I had to  get up
early the next day for work, I decided to go on  home." (Thanks to:UFO
Roundup Vol. # 1, 1/4/98, editor: Joseph Trainor)

UNITED KINGDOM

Victor J. Kean reports on Flying Triangles (FT) visiting southeastern
England during the month of September of 1997. The observed sightings
of the FT over the Sizewell Nuclear Power Station (NPS)  decreased to
60 in September from 88 in August.   Bradwell NPS had 44 September
sightings compared to 39 in August. Dungeness NPS decreased to 24 in
September from 27 in August.  Since June 1st '97 the FT is displaying
with increasing regularity  three apex 'lights' White (nose)  with Red
and Blue (or Red and Green) apex 'lights' on its trailing edge.  There
is also a larger white 'light' close behind the white 'light' at the
nose.   This is a distinct departure from the 'normal' three white
'lights' with one red 'light' in the center of the underside.

Jacques Vallee once remarked: 'A purely statistical study of a
phenomenon as elusive as the UFO has no value in itself'.  I am aware
that the various groups supplying me with data are unsophisticated,
and do not have the scientific background which, in the USA would have
provoked a rush of technology to photo, video and measure the FT
phenomenon.  Perhaps that is why the FT continues to repeat its
nightly visits to three nuclear power stations(NP). It certainly does
not seem to be trying to evade being seen.  I believe that 'Project
FT' achieved much in 1997 for we:

1) Established the three main 'flight paths'.
2) Identified the three main locations of the FT's attention.
3) Calculated the FTs 'normal' cruising speed between NP sites.
4) Discovered at least one of the areas from which the FT appears to
emerge, disappear. 5) Established that during some nights there were
at least two (and possibly three) FTs in 'operation' over the UK
simultaneously.

With the upsurge in *observed* FT visits to the UK one feels that some
sort of *peak" is  approaching, but then again, I thought *that* when
the reports jumped from the 30s to the   40s ! You may be interested
to read that the 'Project FT' database has some 14 fields. Any of
which can be selected as to be the 'leading' field. One can 'select
and search' up to 12 fields at a time in order to find -for example:
All instances of a gray FT with amber 'lights' seen over the south of
the UK between the hours of 20:00 - 23:59 during the period Jan. to
March 1995. With the recent 'upsurge' in FT reports  the demands upon
my time are increasing pro rata.

Ref: The length of time during which the FT is in hover mode over the
NPS.  I went back over the old reports (1995)  which used to give the
'Arrival' and 'Departure' times and found that by adding both times to
the FT database we 'caught' a couple of FT reports from other
locations whilst the FT was still over Sizewell. Thus proving, beyond
doubt that there are, on occasion, more than one FT operating
simultaneously over UK air-space. Incidentally, we *are* aware of the
small, silver triangular - shaped aircraft (flying from RAF Wharton,
Lancashire) which is sometime seen escorted by two F-111 jets in the
north of England.

A new initiative in the UK named 'UFO Concern' under the leadership of
Lord Hill  Norton  a member of the British House of Lords has recently
been formed and the first report  published. 'Project FT' is part of
that initiative. They have drawn together some leading VIPs...from
many walks of life with only a few  'ufologists' (Gordon Crieghton,
Timothy Good) are circulating their 'concerns' amongst  politicians,
etc. Thanks to:  Victor J.Kean

WALES, UNITED KINGDOM

A UFO flew over Tywi Forest dam in the Black Mountains of Wales on
December 19, 1997, at 6:30 a.m. A large UFO was seen flying over the
hydroelectric dam by two rangers of the Welsh Forestry Commission.
The men were five miles apart at the time, but  were in radio contact
with each other.  The incident took place in the mountains overlooking
Llandoverry,  approximately 66 miles (106 kilometers) northwest  of
Cardiff.   "The UFO was going in a north- northeasterly  direction,"
one ranger reported.  "It was a very bright  ball of light with four
sparkly tails and about two miles  or so high, about three times the
size of a large star.  It was over the dam for about 35 seconds,
climbing in  an upward direction."   The sightings reports were
received by the Welsh  Forestry Commission office at Tirabads.  (Many
thanks to Alex Cavalari and  R N Gadney)

MOON LAUNCH

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (Reuters) NASA headed back to the moon January 7,
for first time in 25 years.  The Lunar Prospector probe blasted off
after a 24 hour delay. It is expected to arrive at the moon on January
11th.   Scientists were hoping the year-long mission would answer
questions left unanswered by the six Apollo moon-landings and about a
dozen robotic missions in the 1960s and 1970s, especially the question
of whether there is water on the Earth's only natural satellite.  "You
won't see a lunar lake with moon penguins skating around on it," Scott
Hubbard, Lunar Prospector mission manager, told a prelaunch news
conference. "What you will have here is water ice mixed in within the
lunar soil."

  Lunar Prospector does not carry a camera, but its five scientific
instruments will probe the moon's surface for minerals, magnetic
fields, gravitational anomalies and frozen water.  "I think a lot of
people have the idea that perhaps we know all there is to know about
the moon, but the reality is we have only just scratched the surface,"
said Michael Drake, director of the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory at
the University of Arizona. "There is a lot that we still have to
learn."  Program scientist Joseph Boyce said finding ice in the pole
region would boost any plan to build an Earth outpost on the moon.  "
Results from a U.S. Department of Defense experimental spacecraft
called Clementine provided evidence that water ice does exist at the
moon's south pole, but many scientists remain skeptical.  Lunar
Prospector's electronic divining rod, which detects the hydrogen atoms
in water, could provide a conclusive answer  within a month of
reaching the moon.  "If there is a cup of water in a cubic yard of
lunar soil we will see it," Hubbard said. (By Steven Young} THE FACE
ON MARS

The mysterious "Face on Mars" is not an optical illusion or a natural
feature on the Red Planet, a scientist reported Wednesday at a major
astronomical conference.  Dr. Tom Van Flandern reached the conclusion
after new studies of the Cydonia region, where strange-looking
landforms have excited science fiction and life-on-other-worlds buffs
for decades.  His report, presented at the 191st national meeting of
the American Astronomical Society (AAS), attracted unusual attention
because sharp new images of the "Face" may soon be available. The
camera on board NASA's Global Surveyor spacecraft, now orbiting Mars,
is capable of making images with 30 times the resolution, or
sharpness, of the Viking cameras. It can distinguish objects as small
as 4.6 feet across, and will try to image the "Face."  Van Flandern
holds a doctorate in astronomy from Yale University. Until 1991, he
was chief of the celestial mechanics branch at the U. S. Naval
Observatory, a respected astronomy facility. He then founded Meta
Research, an organization based here, that fosters research on topics
that conflict with mainstream theories in astronomy.  The "Face on
Mars," he explained, certainly fits that bill. Some people claim that
images of the Cydonia region, taken in the 1970s from the Viking
spacecraft, show a gigantic human face, a pyramid, and other
structures left by some ancient extra-terrestrial civilization.  In
the eyes of some, the "Face" bears a striking resemblance to the
"death masks" that ancient Egyptians used to adorn the sarcophagus of
King Tut and other rulers. Indeed, some hint that the "Face" may be
part of an immense tomb on the Red Planet. "The conventional view is
that this is all nonsense," says Dr. Michael C. Malin. He is chief
investigator for the Mars Global Surveyor Orbiter Camera.  Cydonia, he
explained, is a desert-like region that has undergone the same kinds
of weathering that carve weird landforms in terrestrial deserts. He
regards the features at Cydonia as strictly natural, the result of
Martian weathering and erosion.

Van Flandern said his study undermines the main argument against an
artificial origin for the "Face:" Its apparently random orientation on
the Martian surface.  "No apparent purpose is served by a face
monument looking upward toward space if it is not oriented right-side
up and in an attention- getting location with respect to the surface
of the planet," he said.  On Earth, one such location, visible for
great distances from space, might be right on the equator, he
indicated.  Van Flandern analyzed data from previous studies showing
that the Martian north and south poles occupied a different position
in the past. A meteor impact or other cataclysmic event relocated the
poles to their current position millions of years ago. He concluded
that the "Face" originally was in a much different location.  "It was
a great shock to me to discover that the Cydonia area was right on the
old Martian equator," he said.  Further analysis showed that the
"Face" is oriented perpendicular to that old equator. The bridge of
its "nose" is oriented almost exactly north- to-south.  "This has only
about a 1 percent probability of occurring by chance," Dr. Van
Flandern said. "The weight of existing evidence appears to have
shifted in favor of an artificial origin of the Cydonia complex."  Van
Flandern predicted that the Mars Global Surveyor's high-resolution
cameras will finally determine whether the "Face" is a natural
geologic structure, or something constructed by an earlier
civilization.  Almost as an afterthought, he observed to a
standing-room- only audience of about 400 astronomers, "I suggest that
in view of these test results we prepare ourselves for a cultural
shock certainly unrivaled in recent times."  By Michael Woods, Toledo
Blade Copyright (c)1998 Nando.net Copyright (c)1998 Scripps Howard,
Washington (1/8/98), http://www.nando.net) GOALS FOR 1998

Dr. Richard Haines wrote a nice letter asking for information about
human initiated contact with UFOs. This gave me an idea that we should
have some goals or a mission statement for 1998 regarding the UFO
phenomenon.  We will continue to report significant sightings,
however, we realize many of these sightings can be explained as
misidentification of balloons, aircraft, Earth lights or other
phenomenon. The Air Force Blue Book investigation of UFOs found only a
small percentage of the sightings were unexplained, meaning only those
remaining could be true UFOs. Certain kinds of reports appear more
valuable, particularly close encounter cases at short range.
Therefore, it is prudent to spend more time investigating the more
significant  cases.  Dr. Haines has specifically asked for help
regarding :

Close Encounter of the Fifth Kind (CE-5) cases, i.e., human initiated
contact in which the phenomenon appears to respond back.  I will
forward these cases to Dr. Haines.

I'm personally interested in collecting accounts of UFO crashes, or
reports of UFOs at military bases, or military interaction with the
craft.  Certain military bases are frequently mentioned in reports.
These include:  Edwards, Wright Patterson, Langley, Mac Dill, McGuire,
Roswell, Area 51, etc.

I'm also interested in reports concerning take off or landings, entry
or exit from water or underground or mountain side bases. We are
looking for evidence of landing imprints, burnt foliage, dents or
scratches on metal, wood or the ground. Close up descriptions of the
craft are desired, particularly engine, rocket, lights, openings,
windows, rotation or similar activity.

We are also collecting evidence of abductions such as damage to the
body, clothing, bedding, walls, or automobiles.  Some MUFON members
are law enforcement officers.  If someone is allegedly kidnapped or
raped by aliens, this is a crime and should be treated as such.  Quick
response to an abduction by a trained investigative team may be able
to prove a physical abduction took place and possibly who was
responsible.

The final area of particular interest is data on large Mother craft or
UFO carriers. These include reports of launching or landing of large
numbers of smaller craft on these carriers. For example, two hundred
discs were sighted over the Southern tip of South America in Chile.
Virtually, no Air Force in the world could launch hundreds of aircraft
secretly and fly them over Chile without word leaking out. Further the
logistical cost would be significant even for the United States.
Assuming these UFO reports are true, we may assume these aircraft are
alien, that is not flown by the governments of the world.  The
financial and engineering cost of developing these craft, their
logistical support, training and feeding aircrews, fuel, and basing
would be immense.  The goal is to obtain further evidence to help
prove to others that these sightings are real.

If you have news or comments please  e-mail to : Majorstar@aol.com








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:32:07 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:05:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:06:34 EST
> Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:22:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> >  Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:05:10 -0500
> >  From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
> >  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >  >Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
> >  >From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> >  >Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> >  Jared wrote:

> >  >Astronauts really are our salvation here. They bring that certain
> >  >seriousness to ufology's image that it so richly needs.

> >  A general query:

> >  Which astronauts claim there is a 'cover up' and what evidence
> >  have they cited?

> Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell.

> They offer only personal assessment of what they have learned
> from associates and some personal events.  They have not come
> forward with tangible documentation.  However, it is appropriate
> to consider that the extent to which they have commented has
> almost certainly taken into account their National Security
> Obligations which neither has renounced.

When Fox television aired it's UFO video evidence special last
summer I was rather surprised to see Story Musgrave make the
following statements during his interview:

"The government has covered up things, and I cannot know as a
fact whether there is any cover-up here"...(I would assume he's
referring to NASA)

"I think the public is ready to accept any information. I think
the public is ready to know if anyone has visited us. They can
accept that and they want it!"

Prior to this I'd always seen Musgrave take a very dismissive
attitude toward this subject. Does anyone know if he's revising
his opinions on the matter?


Jared.




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                           Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:51:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:19:55 -0500
Subject: Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.


>From: Brisciano Tony TSgt 100SUPS/LGSF <Tony.Brisciano@mildenhall.af.mil>
>To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: RAF Woodbridge U.K.
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:53 -0000


Naturally we would be interested in knowing any more of your
story.   Have you ever told this story to anyone before?  There
have been several books written about events at the time you
mention.







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               Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:39:50 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:36:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>investigation
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:39:37 EST

>>From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:53 -0600

>>Washington, DC - 1952

>>Starting January 13th, the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and the
>>International Society for UFO Research (ISUR) will commence an
>>investigation into this well known case. MSN's UFO Forum will
>>assist in coordinating the effort.

><snip>

>Hello to the list and to Yvonne...

>I can attest to the following facts that occurred in Washington,
>DC in 1952...


Hey Jack.

Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
Washington Fly Overs.

I have studied that case for over 30 years, and I am finally
glad to have someone come forward who was actually there when
they were taking place.

In all the years we have posted in FIDO UFO, I have never
heard you tell that story.  That doesn't mean that you
haven't.

An interesting coincidence, indeed.  It makes one wonder if
the movie was a prerequisite for "staging" those events.
I know, some will say that it was not possible for our
government to stage such an event at that time in our history.
But, I ask, how do we know that for a fact?  It seems that
there possibly were "flying disks" in operation on this
planet at that time which were of "terrestrial" design and
development.

The public has been used as pawns in the international
chess games for many years.  Who is to say this was not
just one of those games?   Hmmmmmm

REgards, Mike









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               Re: FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:09:20 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:26:56 -0500
Subject: Re: FYI: TWA 800 - It ain't over 'til it's over


>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:38:47 -0500
>From: "skyeking@aye.net" <skyeking@aye.net> [Jerry Washington]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: TWA Flight 800

>I thought this article that appeared in yesterday's edition
>(Jan. 9th) of the Louisville Courier-Journal was interesting.

>WASHINGTON - Adm. Thomas Moorer, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT
>CHIEFS OF STAFF, said yesterday that it's possible a missile
>brought down TWA Flight 800 and called for new congressional
>hearings.  ....

>"This is either a train wreck in the sky, or an explosive device
>-- mid-air, outside the plane," said retired Navy Cmdr. William
>Donaldson, a former plane crash investigator.

>Donaldson examined the mountain of material released in early
>December about the federal investigation. He particularly
>criticized one National Transportation Safety Board document
>reflecting flight recorder data that was not discussed when the
>material was unveiled in Baltimore.

>Donaldson noted a line drawn through readings of the last five
>seconds of the doomed jet's flight, with a handwritten margin
>note reading "End of Flt. 800 DATA" -- except there are more
>revealing readings below it. He thinks this was an attempt to
>divert attention from the final readings on the flight recorder.

>He said safety officials later tried to convince the Navy
>officers it was a transcript from an earlier flight -- a
>conclusion former TWA pilot Howard Mann said is "not possible --
>it's erased -- there's just no way."

>The final readings show chaos in the sky -- with airspeed
>dropping instantly by almost 200 knots, the pitch angle jumping
>five degrees, altitude dropping 3,600 feet in about three
>seconds, the roll angle going from zero to 144 degrees (the plane
>almost inverted), and magnetic heading changing from 82 degrees
>to 163 degrees.

>Donaldson said all these indicate an extremely high-pressure wave
>coming from the lower left side of the plane's front. The
>measurements "indicate there was an explosion -- a big explosion
>-- outside the cockpit."

Donaldson spoke on Art Bell's show on this recently, and filled
in many details.  E.g., he mentioned just where the instruments
were located that gave these readings, and how the pressure of
the external explosion would move the angle-of-attack vane in the
manner it did, coming back to its normal setting a fraction of a
setting later after which the recordings ceased due to the
explosion having severed the cables to the "black" box. And of
course the suddenly increased pressure would make the altimeter
pressure port think that the plane had jumped to a lower
elevation.  He noted that the line that had been crossed out
could not have been recorder data from a previous flight that had
not yet been written over, for one reason because its date/time
indicator was correct.

Evidently persons in charge had not dared to totally black out
the line, like we see on FOIA documents, lest that provoke
suspicion.

When the hard data agrees with the multiple witnesses who saw a
missile-like flare moving upwards just before the explosion, it's
mind-boggling to think how easily a coverup can be implanted and
maintained.  The connection to the UFO coverup is that the more
serious, important and potentially embarrassing the events are
for the highest ranking officials, the more heavily they are
covered up.

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              The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.) Area

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:27:47 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:32:33 -0500
Subject: The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.) Area

Published at The Boston Globe's website January 10 1998. URL:

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/wirehtml/010/What_Was_It_.htm


*******


What Was It?

Associated Press, 01/10/98 13:57


EXETER, N.H. (AP) - A Newmarket man was nearly blinded by a bright
light in the sky last month, and he's on a mission to find out what it
was.

Dave Jackson said the mysterious brilliant blue flash lit up the sky
over Exeter on Dec. 28 as he drove along Route 88.

"It was brighter than anything I've ever seen," he said.

Jackson said he's heard from a Hampton Falls woman who saw a similar
blinding flash in the same area about a month earlier.

He plans to meet with a UFO investigator near the site.

Peter Geremia, director of the state chapter of a group called the
Mutual UFO Network, said an investigation begins by ruling out
explainable causes such as aircraft or the weather. He said some UFO
investigations take several months, but most last only a couple of
weeks.---Brookline Copshmrnas

BROOKLINE, N.H. (AP) - Two Brookline police officers who were suspended
for pepper-spraying a teen-ager during an arrest on Halloween say
selectmen owe them an apology.

Officers Richard Dube and Brian Goulden were suspended after
16-year-old Jacob Valley reported he was pepper-sprayed by a police
officer. They were reinstated in November and selectmen hired an
independent firm to investigate the incident.

Selectmen have not made the details of that probe public. The two
officers say they're happy with the results of the report and want the
public to know about it.

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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:43:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

Regarding...

>From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
>Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:06:34 EST
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
>>>From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>>>Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>>>Jared wrote:

>>>Astronauts really are our salvation here. They bring that certain
>>>seriousness to ufology's image that it so richly needs.

>>A general query:

>>Which astronauts claim there is a 'cover up' and what evidence have
>>they cited?


Stephen wrote:

>Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell.

>They offer only personal assessment of what they have learned from
>associates and some personal events.  They have not come forward with
>tangible documentation.  However, it is appropriate to consider that
>the extent to which they have commented has almost certainly taken
>into account their National Security Obligations which neither has
>renounced.


Stephen,

In an interview with Cooper published in OMNI, March 1980, p.
106, he reportedly stated:

"If any UFO information is being suppressed, it's certainly not
in the U.S. Air Force, because I was at a high enough level to
know about it.

In defense of the military attitude, I can't really blame them
for being negative when I consider ridiculous things that have
been said and written and the fact that the military is
responsible for national security. It's a little embarrassing to
acknowledge they can't explain some things".


Which seems to confirm his then _belief_ that whilst the question
of ET visitations may be an enigma to those responsible for
national security, he was not aware of any related 'cover up' and
certainly not supportive of one within the USAF.

I've never seen any indications Cooper has altered that view.


Does this leave only Dr. Edgar Mitchell and has he ever actually
cited evidence, or has no astronaut in fact ever claimed there
was a 'cover up'?



James.
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                           Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:40:09 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:49:06 -0500
Subject: Re: RAF Woodbridge U.K.

Regarding...

>From: Brisciano Tony TSgt 100SUPS/LGSF
<Tony.Brisciano@mildenhall.af.mil>
>Subject: RAF Woodbridge U.K.
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:40:53 -0000


Tony wrote:

>I have a story to tell.


Tony,

>27 Dec 1980, I was working the desk at the fuels management branch
>at Bentwaters. After midnight we went to a one manshop until 0700 hr.
>Well I was the person on duty at the time and around 0230 I recieved
>a call from MOCC that there were several emergency vehicles at
>Woodbridge needing fuel asap. Back then we had to cover both bases
>and I would close up the shop and I would respond personally.

The evening of Saturday 27th and early morning of Sunday 28th
December, 1980 was when Lt. Col. Halt and assembled 'team of
specialists' investigated Lt. Englund's report that the 'UFO' was
back (the dates in Halt's memo are wrong, the 'incidents'
occurred during the 25/26 and 27/28 December, not the 27/28 and
29/30 December as noted in Halt's memo to the Ministry of
Defence).

>Well I drove over to Woodbridge and I started to take the road to the
>back gate which would save some time. About 3 minutes into my driving
>something in my head said "Do not go this way", well I was 20 yrs old
>then and I was afraid of the dark and the whole route to Woodbridge
>back gate is nothing but woods and no street lights and very dark,
>so I listened to that voice in my head and I turned around and
>proceded  to go to the front gate.

Perhaps a surprising aspect of the 'Rendlesham forest" case are
the documented testimonies of how some personnel from even the
81st Security Police Squadron acknowledged being 'spooked' by the
sight of seemingly 'strange lights'.

It's understandably a spooky place and I recently received some
e-mail from a 'jet engine technician' who was stationed at both
bases between 1984 and 1993. Amongst the tales he thought might
be of interest was the horrible story of a airman seated in an
A-10 maintenance hanger who ejected himself into the roof of the
hanger and was killed, the "abandoned Church outside the engine
shop gate on Bentwaters... said to be haunted... and placed off
limits to base personnel" and, by no means least, the "story
about a Rendlesham Forest Monster that attacked an airman while
he sat in the cockpit of an F-4 on the flightline of
Woodbridge".

As he confirmed, "I do not know if there is truth to that strange
story, But I did see the canopy of that F-4. It had deep
scratches on the outside of the glass".

There are a number of other tales which I had come across and
which were, in all seriousness, apparently of considerable unease
to some personnel stationed on lonely outposts at the bases.

>After about 15 minutes I reached my destination which was the
>military gas pumps and I never saw so many police vehicles and
>equipment waiting for fuel especially in the early hours of the
>morning. There were about 12 or 13 vehicles mostly pick ups with
>light all attached and a few police cars. Oh! And one Lt. Col Holt
>who was in one hell of a hurry.  He bitched at me to "snap it up and
>get these pumps going". He didn't want to here it that I was doing
>my best to find the power switches and again rushed me around, well
>I did get the power on and the vehicles got there fuel but not one
>of those cops said a word to me that evening.

By 0230 on the morning of the 28th, according to Halt's
microcassette recording, he was deep in the forest and recorded:

HALT:  01.48.  We're hearing very strange sounds out of the
farmer's barnyard animals. They're very, very active, making an
awful lot of noise.

HALT: 2:44.  We're at the far side of the second farmer's
field....

HALT: 3:05.  We see strange strobe-like flashes...

HALT: 03:15.  Now we've got an object about 10 degrees directly
south...

HALT: 03:30 and the objects are still in the sky...


As such, it appears unlikely he could have been at the 'military
gas pumps' around the time you mention. Appreciating it's 17
years later, how might this equate with your recollections?

>I drove back to Bentwaters and I didn't think anymore about it until
>rumours started to circulate about UFOs, well I was sure glad I had
>listened to my consience. Over the next couple of weeks there was an
>influx of civilians and civilian type a/c  landing at both bases.

This has been confirmed by a number of base personnel. RAF
Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge was a substantial sized twin-base
complex, what was so unusual about this particular civilian
activity?

Thanks for the interesting comments - can you say which unit you
served with at the time?



James.
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From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:08:21 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:57:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:32:07 -0700
> From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> To: Updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

<snip>

> When Fox television aired it's UFO video evidence special last
> summer I was rather surprised to see Story Musgrave make the
> following statements during his interview:

> "The government has covered up things, and I cannot know as a
> fact whether there is any cover-up here"...(I would assume he's
> referring to NASA)

> "I think the public is ready to accept any information. I think
> the public is ready to know if anyone has visited us. They can
> accept that and they want it!"

> Prior to this I'd always seen Musgrave take a very dismissive
> attitude toward this subject. Does anyone know if he's revising
> his opinions on the matter?

> Jared.

Yes, this change in Story's story came from a reporter in Hawaii,
who interviewed him perhaps a year ago.  This was reported on Art
Bell and I've since seen a few things on the Internet.


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                   AP: 'X-Files' To Take Show on the Road

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:57:11 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:54:21 -0500
Subject: AP: 'X-Files' To Take Show on the Road

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: 'X-Files' To Take Show on the Road
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:43:22 EST

'X-Files' To Take Show on the Road
.c The Associated Press

 By DAVID BAUDER

PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - ``The X-Files'' is taking its show on the
road, although it's a mystery whether Scully or Mulder will come
along for the ride.

Makers of the popular television show announced Saturday that
they are launching ``The X-Files Expo,'' a traveling theme park
of show memorabilia that will travel across the country this
spring like a rock concert tour.

Tickets for the 10-city tour, which starts March 6 in San
Francisco, go on sale Jan. 20 for $25 apiece.

Additional tour dates are planned for Los Angeles, Dallas,
Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York and
Washington, D.C.

Organizers promise interactive games, a preview of ``The
X-Files'' movie and appearances by people involved in the
television show. The Expo will be held in large sites, such as
airplane hangars or abandoned military bases.

However, executives could not say Saturday if stars David
Duchovny (Mulder) or Gillian Anderson (Scully) will appear at any
of the events.

``We really need to work through what they're going to do,'' said
Pat Wyatt, president of Twentieth Century Fox Licensing and
Merchandising, which is running the tour with Ten Thirteen
Productions. ``I can't guarantee that they will be there, but
they have been to conventions in the past.''

The Expo continues Fox's effort to take advantage of the Sunday
night popularity of the show about two FBI agents who investigate
UFO sitings and paranormal phenomena.

Although Duchovny has said he's interested in pursuing a movie
career, Fox television network President Peter Roth told
television critics that the show ``absolutely'' will be around at
least next year and the year after.

``We have no intention of losing our flagship series,'' Roth
said.

AP-NY-01-10-98 1839EST

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From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:00:27 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:00:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...


>  Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:32 -0500
>  From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>  Regarding...

>  >From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com> [Stephen G. Bassett]
>  >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:06:34 EST
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>  >>>Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 14:21:43 -0700
>  >>>From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>  >>>Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

>  >>>Jared wrote:

>  >>>Astronauts really are our salvation here. They bring that certain
>  >>>seriousness to ufology's image that it so richly needs.

>  >>A general query:

>  >>Which astronauts claim there is a 'cover up' and what evidence have
>  >>they cited?

>  Stephen wrote:

>  >Gordon Cooper and Dr. Edgar Mitchell.

>  >They offer only personal assessment of what they have learned from
>  >associates and some personal events.  They have not come forward with
>  >tangible documentation.  However, it is appropriate to consider that
>  >the extent to which they have commented has almost certainly taken
>  >into account their National Security Obligations which neither has
>  >renounced.

>  Stephen,

>  In an interview with Cooper published in OMNI, March 1980, p.
>  106, he reportedly stated:

>  "If any UFO information is being suppressed, it's certainly not
>  in the U.S. Air Force, because I was at a high enough level to
>  know about it.

>  In defense of the military attitude, I can't really blame them
>  for being negative when I consider ridiculous things that have
>  been said and written and the fact that the military is
>  responsible for national security. It's a little embarrassing to
>  acknowledge they can't explain some things".

>  Which seems to confirm his then _belief_ that whilst the question
>  of ET visitations may be an enigma to those responsible for
>  national security, he was not aware of any related 'cover up' and
>  certainly not supportive of one within the USAF.

>  I've never seen any indications Cooper has altered that view.

>  Does this leave only Dr. Edgar Mitchell and has he ever actually
>  cited evidence, or has no astronaut in fact ever claimed there
>  was a 'cover up'?

That interview is quite dated.  He has taken stronger positions
since.  I will check my video library for quotes.

thanks for the input.

Steve Bassett








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                Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:52:39 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:52:39 -0500
Subject: Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11





Thanks to Steven Kaeser for the URL

ebk

From:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-01/11/069l-01119

8-idx.html


OUT THERE
They Thought UFOs Had Landed. A Case of Hysteria, Politics,
Poison and Toothpaste.

By Michael Colton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 11, 1998; Page F01

BELLPORT, N.Y.=97For the believers, the obvious place to look for
captured aliens was on government property -- specifically the
huge, guarded facility on Long Island called Brookhaven National
Laboratory. A former military base, Brookhaven was known to be
the site of experiments involving DNA and particle accelerators,
using equipment like an alternating gradient syncrotron and a
high-flux beam reactor.

The aliens had to be there.

John Ford, chairman of the Long Island UFO Network, knew
something big was happening on Long Island, renowned among
conspiracy buffs as the site of the Montauk time warp project
and, more recently, the mysterious crash of TWA Flight 800. Ford
and his 400-member group had investigated many weird sightings on
the island over the past decade. Some residents were convinced
that saucer crashes had caused forest fires, that they'd seen
airborne battles between spacecraft and military helicopters,
that people had been abducted and animals mutilated. This place
could be the next Roswell, or an East Coast Area 51.

Ford, a retired bailiff, frequently called the Brookhaven lab
with questions and accusations. He was cordial and articulate,
and lab spokeswoman Mona Rowe wished she could give him more
interesting answers; as a sci-fi fan herself, she believes
extraterrestrial life exists. Just not at Brookhaven National
Laboratory. She even invited Ford to tour the place, to open any
door he wanted and allow his own experts to search for UFO
evidence. She had nothing to hide.

Ford never made it to the lab, though the lab eventually made it
to him. In a plot as strange as anything on "The X-Files" or "The
Outer Limits" -- two of Ford's favorite shows -- he was arrested
for conspiring to murder three local politicians. By poisoning
them with radium. Police charge that he schemed to put the
radioactive material in their cars, in their food and even in
their toothpaste.

After midnight on June 13, 1996, Mona Rowe's phone rang. She was
on call for Brookhaven's radiological assistance program, a sort
of radiation SWAT team. She accompanied the team to a Bellport
home surrounded by police, where they found hot radioactive
sources encased in lead in the back of a pickup truck.

John Ford, the "UFO guy" she and others had always considered a
harmless eccentric, was under arrest.

Never mind that the radium would have taken decades to kill
anyone. According to prosecutors, Ford was a terrorist intent on
killing, to help end a UFO coverup.

Today, Ford, 49, resides in a state-run psychiatric center,
having been found unfit to stand trial -- just as he had hoped.
One of his alleged conspirators is in jail; another friend awaits
sentencing. Ford's home is boarded up, and the Long Island UFO
Network (LIUFON) is defunct.

But for the believers, the story isn't over. The coverup
continues, as always. The coverup is eternal.

Seriously Weird

Ford's case is strange, even for Long Island, and that's no small
feat. This is the place where teenage tramp Amy Fisher shot the
wife of grease monkey Joey Buttafuoco. Where John Esposito kept
9-year-old Katie Beers locked in an underground dungeon for two
weeks. Where Colin Ferguson killed six people on a commuter
train, where Judge Sol Wachtler stalked his lover, where "Angel
of Death" nurse Richard Angelo injected muscle relaxants into
four patients.

To be weird in Long Island, you have to be seriously weird.
Some blame the power lines and the water supply for producing,
among others, Howard Stern, Geraldo Rivera and the 1,200 pounds
of Walter Hudson. "People here are open to strange ideas," says
Mona Rowe, who comes from Hawaii, where these things don't
happen.

Of course, equating John Ford with killers and torturers is
unfair; all we know for sure is that he liked to talk about doing
away with those who he thought did him wrong.

Still, Ford lived in an area that seems to be fertile ground for
his odd ideas -- and in a fertile era. At the end of the
millennium, it seems that no one trusts anyone, least of all
authority. Corporations are too powerful, governments are too
secretive. Planes explode in midair; war veterans contract mysterious
ailments. A Japanese television cartoon emits flashes of light
that cause children to convulse.

Strange days, indeed.

With so many seemingly impenetrable coverups and interesting
"coincidences," it is up to the average citizen to expose the
evil-doers. Theories are plentiful; facts are harder to come by.
"Perception is reality," the FBI's James Kallstrom said last
year, explaining why the bureau's investigation of Flight 800
spent so much time refuting rumors of a missile attack.

Of course, this article itself could just be part of the
"official version" -- or, as one of Ford's supporters, Peter
Moon, put it, "damage control to make everyone on Long Island
look crazy."

A number of Ford's friends and colleagues, who have followed his
case on the Internet and in UFO publications, believe he has been
set up, framed, railroaded. He's innocent, they say, and they
produce theories as to why he was arrested: He was getting too
close to a government coverup; he was silenced for his outspoken
beliefs; he was a patsy.

His attorney, John Rouse, wishes these folks would shut up.
They're not helping Ford's case. "I don't want to sound too
flippant, but my impression is that these people can find a
conspiracy in a cheesecake," he says. Rouse believes Ford is
innocent, but says the case has nothing to do with the CIA, UFOs
or other acronyms. It has to do with a far more mundane scourge:
politics.

Ford's life -- his version of his life, anyway -- is like an
"X-Files" episode written by Thomas Pynchon (another Long Island
product, natch). John Ford believed in UFOs, as do many people.
But he was a lonely man prone to extreme gullibility, an
ineffectual citizen whose political aspirations were thwarted and
who found a sense of power by espousing incredible theories.
People listened to him.

Ford is probably insane -- even some of his friends admit that.
To pursue UFOs is to suspend a degree of rationality for an equal
measure of blind faith. Ford's case shows how fragile the balance
can be.

There is one question that people on both sides of this case ask
of those who want information. The answer to this question, they
assert, immediately places you on one side or the other. It
defines whom you will trust, and how much you will trust them.

"Do you believe in UFOs?"

Looking to the Sky

John Ford spent most of his adult life working on the side of the
law, as an officer of the same court he would later appear in as
a defendant. With a face like John Belushi's and a voice like
Elmer Fudd's, Ford appeared odd but nonthreatening to those who
knew him. After graduating from St. John's University in Queens
in 1971 with a degree in philosophy, he started work at the
Brooklyn criminal court, earned a master's degree in public
administration and transferred to Suffolk County in 1982.

Friends say Ford had a big heart, adopting dogs from the pound
and delivering supplies when Hurricane Gloria hit; he cried when
he accidentally ran over a cat. He dated, and was engaged twice,
but his most constant companion was his mother, Catherine, with
whom he lived. "She was his right-hand man," recalls a LIUFON
member.

An avid gun collector, Ford made model tanks and occasionally
read Soldier of Fortune magazine. His co-worker John Marafino
insists the gun collection was simply for show, like baseball
cards. The only time Ford shot a gun was to pass his exam as a
court officer, Marafino says, "and he wasn't even a good shot."

At work, he carried a service revolver; locked up at home were at
least 35 licensed handguns and rifles, along with bulletproof
vests, knives, ammunition and assorted military junk. He ran his
UFO investigations with walkie-talkies, acting as if he were
leading a paramilitary operation. He got a kick out of it.

In the 1970s and '80s, Ford became active in local politics,
forming a Conservative Party club in Suffolk County, supporting
his mother in her bids for highway superintendent and county
legislator, and running for several party positions himself.
Frustration over Suffolk County's Republican rule caused him to
quit politics, but his hatred of county Republicans never left
him.

Ford formed the Long Island UFO Network in 1988, and as he became
engrossed in abductions and coverups, he came to believe the
government was harassing him. His colleagues at work still found
him dependable, but others noted his obsessions and mercurial
moods.

In 1989, Ford conducted his first big investigation, of a
supposed UFO crash in Moriches Bay -- the same bay that TWA
Flight 800 plummeted into seven years later, coincidentally (or
not). On Sept. 28 of that year, several people reported seeing
glowing orange lights in the sky -- even Brookhaven 's Rowe
noticed them as she drove home, though she assumed they were
flares.

Ford concluded, after extensive interviews of witnesses, that
military helicopters shot down a UFO over the bay, killing 17
aliens that were later taken to Brookhaven. Others accepted the
explanation that the helicopters dropped aerial flares over the
bay that night so the Coast Guard could better rescue a sinking
fishing boat.

LIUFON attracted more attention in the paranormal world for its
investigation of the so-called South Haven Park Incident in
November 1992. For four days the park was closed to the general
public because of duck hunting, officials said. Ford, though,
believed that a UFO crash caused a fire in the park, and he was
backed by several witnesses. Plus, he had a videotape that he
believed showed burning UFO wreckage.

He traveled to conferences to show the tape, which Ford said came
from a firefighter on the scene. It supposedly revealed uniformed
men placing something on the ground, and what appeared to be a
body.

Even some UFO investigators were skeptical about the videotape,
which Ford admitted was of shoddy quality. But Ford, and those
like him, have an amazing capacity for belief: In defiance of
physical laws, despite not witnessing the event firsthand, Ford
was sure that visitors had come to Long Island for the second
time in three years.

Time Traveling

Preston Nichols was sure, too. Portly and absent-minded, he lives
with his father in a small, shoddy house cluttered with
electronic equipment, books, videotapes and a rock collection.
Sitting in his driveway is a school bus Nichols bought to
transform into a "mobile UFO investigative unit." On a recent
rainy day in East Islip, he fires up the bus's space heater so he
can comfortably catalogue his UFO-detection equipment. There's a
magnetic detector; a Geiger counter; a gas detector, for
residuals of exhaust from helicopters; a mine detector; an
ionization detector.

A LIUFON member and friend of Ford's, Nichols, 50, writes books
on time travel and government experiments. He has theories about
Ford's arrest. Ford got too close to the truth, Nichols claims.
He talks of his own intelligence connections and fears that
government agents have tampered with the lug nuts on his car.


In his living room, while his fat dog snores, Nichols cues up a
video and announces, "I didn't believe in time travel until I saw
evidence that I had time-traveled."

He shows part of that evidence: a 1995 tape of a local newscast
that briefly features a young firefighter who resembles Nichols.
He believes it is his "double," a younger self, visiting from the
past.

But wait. Couldn't it just be someone who resembled him? No,
Nichols says. Too many people have argued that the
resemblance is uncanny.

He sighs. It's hard to convince the nonbelievers.

The Plot Thickens

"This is possibly one of the greatest events in the history of
man," John Ford told the Riverhead (N.Y.) News-Review, talking
about the alleged saucer crash at South Haven Park. He made the
papers and evening newscasts with his pronouncements. People were
seeing things in the sky, and Ford became a local "expert."

In 1993 Ford left work on a disability pension after injuring his
back; in 1995 his mother died of cancer, leaving him alone in the
house. He had more time to pursue UFOs, and more time to worry.
Steve Iavarone, his loyal vice president at LIUFON, noticed
Ford's increasing paranoia and hostility.

A month before his arrest, Ford told Iavarone that a car in
Ford's driveway had money hidden in the gas tank, "but we
can't get it out because there's a special detonating device and
the car will explode." Iavarone checked out the car, even
jumped around on top of it, and it didn't blow up.

Though Iavarone, a burly electrical contractor, laughs at Ford's
obsessions, he insists that his own suspicions are true. His
phones are tapped and his house is being watched, he believes.
Computer-altered voices leave menacing messages on his
answering machine. "People look in my window all the time,"
Iavarone says.

In 1995 Ford began to investigate another alleged crash, which he
believed started the August forest fires in eastern Long Island
(the ones that may have attracted Preston Nichols's younger self,
sent to recover the UFO). In a LIUFON bulletin, Ford wrote that
"the government's particle beam weaponry" may have shot down a
UFO, and that "this plot involves newspaper sources, county,
state and federal officials."

Believing his life to be in danger, Ford started carrying guns at
all times. It was around this time that he met Joseph Mazzuchelli
-- referred to in the local press as "a wiry, tattooed
hot-rodder" or "a tough-talking former junkyard employee." He was
also a convicted burglar.

Ford took in Mazzuchelli "like a stray dog," says Ford's
co-worker John Marafino. Other friends say Mazzuchelli, 44,
began to take advantage of Ford, who gave him money, a cell
phone and a credit card. Ford believed that Mazzuchelli had a
Mafioso uncle who would finance LIUFON. He gave the
ex-felon guns -- which Mazzuchelli allegedly tried to sell.

Enter Kevin Koch. He was interested in Mazzuchelli's guns. He
also was under investigation for minor criminal activities. He
became a snitch. He told the police about a guy named John
Ford, who he heard was hatching a strange scheme involving
radium.

According to Koch, Ford claimed that he had hidden outside
Republican leader John Powell's home with a rifle two weeks
earlier. The night of June 12, 1996, authorities wired Koch and
followed him to Ford's house.

Setting the Trap

At 11 p.m. Ford was hanging out with his friends Joe, Kevin,
Freddie, Skipper and Teddy. (The last three are wire-haired
fox terriers.) The men talked about guy stuff -- who gets more
sex, why you can't trust women -- and politics. The
conversation took on a dark cast.

"I got that very dangerous stuff in the back of the truck," said
Ford, according to a transcript of the police recording.

"How bad is it?" asked Koch.

"It's in... a three-inch lead container, and it's leaking five
roentgens per hour."

The dogs bark. Ford puffs his pipe. Somebody goes into the
kitchen for drinks. Talk turns to burning down the offices of the
Suffolk County Conservative Party, throwing elections into
disarray.

Ford mentions Tony Gazzola, an old political adversary. "This
isotope, he'll start glowing in 24 hours." They all laugh.

"Put it in a bag, take the little bag and put it underneath his
car seat," says Ford.

He also boasts: "I'll kill that [expletive] President Clinton --
up the [expletive]. I'll do it."

"Does Gazzola eat Italian food?" asks Ford. "Take the yellow
[expletive] powder, and mix it in with chopped garlic. The
radium in with the chopped garlic."

Were the three planning a crime or just joking around? The
interpretation of the tape depends on who's listening.

Many have criticized the recording for its poor audibility, but
according to the prosecution's official transcript, this was a
conspiracy to undermine the local Republican Party, in part by
poisoning various officials. Ford specifically mentions John
Powell, the chairman of the Suffolk County Republican
Committee; Fred Towle, a Suffolk legislator; and Gazzola, the
head of the Conservative Party in Brookhaven (and a onetime
treasurer of Ford's Conservative Party club).

Police cars filled the normally tranquil Sundial Lane. Ford and
Mazzuchelli were arrested and charged with conspiracy to
commit murder, criminal solicitation, illegal possession of
radioactive materials and reckless endangerment.

Later that day the police and the radiation team were sent to
the home of Ford's friend Edward Zabo in nearby Medford,
where they found more radioactive materials, several guns,
blasting caps, detonators, fuses and bombs. Zabo was arrested
on weapons, explosives and radioactive materials charges.

Zabo, 51, had known Ford since college. A Defense
Department employee who worked as a electronics
quality-control specialist at Northrop Grumman, Zabo told the
radiation team that his radioactive and explosive materials came
not from the Grumman plant but from a friend -- and Zabo
gave them to Ford for disposal.

For many years, radium was used to make watches glow in the dark.
It's still used to calibrate Geiger counters, such as those Ford
owned. It is a mild carcinogen -- but it's also used to treat
cancer.

Despite Ford's pronouncement, captured on tape, that Gazzola
would "glow" in 24 hours and Powell would "fall" in 30 days,
the radium would actually take nearly 20 years to kill someone
if ingested, at which point the victim would be elderly and at a
greater risk for cancer anyway. "They picked the wrong
substance," says Steve Musolino, a health physicist at
Brookhaven.

Powell, Gazzola and Towle were shocked to find out that they
were Ford's alleged targets. "This is not something you expect
to have to deal with in local elected office, especially in the
Suffolk County legislature," says Towle, who holds office in
Ford's district.

According to a rambling manifesto Ford wrote from jail, the three
officials were responsible for setting forest fires to cover up
the 1995 UFO crash. They also planned to "eliminate" Ford so he
could not reveal the truth.

The Invaders

When defense lawyer John Rouse got involved with Ford's
case, he figured that someone accused of something so
outlandish had a prior record of threatening behavior. He
subpoenaed Ford's internal-affairs file from the New York
State Court Administration, which contained at least four
complaints about LIUFON-related threats.

"There was a whole investigation done over a couple years,
with similar incidents of huffing and puffing," says Rouse. In
each case, officials found that the allegations had no merit and
never disciplined Ford.

The lawyer believes his client has been subject to "selective
prosecution" -- and is a victim of local politics. Republican
District Attorney James Catterson was supported in his
November reelection bid by Powell, the Republican chairman.
"The DA makes it look like he's saved the Republican leader's
life," says Rouse. "He blew this way out of proportion."
(Catterson responds that Rouse is "a bitter individual" who
"knows better.")

Rouse unsuccessfully sought a change of venue. He then
pursued an insanity plea, and four psychiatrists and
psychologists determined that Ford was delusional and not fit
to stand trial.

One psychiatric evaluation noted that, in the 1970s, as a
Conservative Party activist, Ford believed Communists were
poised to invade Long Island. Indeed, Ford said, they'd
already landed, in submarines.

Years later, it was the UFOs that were invading. Some experts
see a correlation between the end of the Cold War and an
increasing conspiracy mind-set among Americans. Lacking real
enemies, we look for them in our own government -- and in the
sky.

Secret Agent Man

Both Zabo and Mazzuchelli have pleaded guilty to lesser
charges in exchange for testimony against Ford. Mazzuchelli
was sentenced in November to three to nine years for
conspiracy; Zabo is free on bail until his March sentencing for
weapons and explosives possession. If Ford ever goes to trial
he could face up to 75 years in prison. Meanwhile, he is
periodically evaluated.

Ford declined to be interviewed, but in letters to Steve
Iavarone, the LIUFON vice president, he explained how he
hoped to avoid a trial:

"If I go up to Mid-Hudson Psychiatric [Center] for six months as
incompetent to stand trial then I'll come back and most likely
the charges will be dismissed. . . . So far I left the first
doctor mumbling to himself with all the information I gave him. I
guess I'll have a repeat performance with the next doctor
tomorrow." He did not have to lie or exaggerate to the doctors to
be found unfit; he simply told them what he believed to be true,
which seemed so fantastical that they could only label it
delusional behavior.

Among Ford's beliefs, as stated in his recent handwritten
102-page manifesto, "My Statement to the Media":

He has been a CIA agent since the age of 19, leading a life
hidden from family and co-workers. He was not paid, so there
is no record of him. Joseph Mazzuchelli was an officer of the
Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.

Ford was recruited to observe Soviet KGB agents in Queens,
who tried to assassinate him five times. He personally stopped
a KGB penetration of the Reagan for President Committee.

The AIDS and Ebola viruses were created by aliens to
eliminate the population of sub-Saharan Africa. President
Nixon, Jackie Gleason, Sen. Alfonse D'Amato and New York
Gov. George Pataki, among others, have all seen UFO
evidence.

"The court says I am not competent based upon these
statements," Ford wrote. "Are they ravings of a madman or the
writings of a perfect and master spy?"

Some of his supporters are willing to believe the latter. "He
seems to me to fit the profile of an agent," says Peter Moon,
who publishes conspiracy books on Long Island.

But others, like Preston Nichols, think that spending 17 months
in jail pushed Ford over the edge. "He's as loony as they come,
but he's a coherent loon," says Nichols, the time traveler.

Ford knows he's not really crazy, though. He's certain that, in
the end, he'll triumph. "I'll bring home the bacon for
everyone,"
he wrote to Iavarone. "Then we'll rebuild LIUFON and
destroy the coverup."

He ends the letter his usual way, with a familiar motto from
popular culture:

"The truth is out there . . . "

=A9 Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company






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                  'Eagles Disobey' - More Mars Revelations?

From: "Todd Andrews" <todd@riskers.org>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:01:48 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:59:05 -0500
Subject: 'Eagles Disobey' - More Mars Revelations?

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What you are about to read is a preview to the new book, "Eagles
Disobey - The Case for Inca City, Mars, by B.J. Wolf."  This book
is about to be released, and already it has created some
"turmoil" in some very high places.  RISKERS/NUFOIA first brought
this story to you about 9 months ago, and you would not believe
how this story has grown.  I am getting ahead of myself, please
read on.

January 11, 1998 - B.J. Wolf:

Eagles Disobey: The Case for Inca City, Mars doesn't pull any
punches when it comes to describing what Dr. Dan Burisch and his
team have found on Mars.  There are a lot of government 'types'
who DO NOT want this book released to the public. They've done
everything in their power to prevent us from completing the
project and publishing the book - but the one thing that they
didn't count on was Dan Burisch's determination to give the
people the truth about what is really up on Mars!  We're not just
talking about a face......as fantastic as that is - we're talking
about an entire extraterrestrial archaeology complete with
symbolism, structures, anthropomorphic glyphs etched into the
landscape, all reminiscent of Nazce Peru, and more.....a
geometry that links them all together in an elegant lattice that
speaks undeniably of intelligence at work.

We started out working with images available on the NSSDC
website, but quickly learned that there were portions of those
images that NASA was reluctant to show to the public; very
reluctant....  so we started digging in earnest. What we found
made the stuff on the NSSDC website - provided for 'public'
consumption - look sick. That's when the threats started. We
found ourselves bombarded by written, and verbal attacks. Not
only our lives, but also the lives of our families were being
threatened unless we agreed to "back off" this project. But none
of us would.  Instead, we got mad, and more determined than ever.

To date, two of our team members have been run off the road at
high speed, one has been shot at (somebody emptied a clip at him
while he was walking out of a movie theater), and two of us have
had vehicles tampered-with, causing structural critical
failures/accidents.  All because 'they' don't want you to see
what we've found up there on Mars.

What makes this book, and this whole investigation different from
others in the past, is the fact that everything we've done can be
duplicated by anybody with a decent photographic program and a
couple of hours to spend.  There is no great mystery here - no
scientist telling anybody what to think - no one trying to
manipulate public opinion. Our goal is simply to show the public
what we saw,  then stand back and let people make up their own
minds whether it is valid, or not. To us on the Inca City Team,
it is self-evident that an intelligent people left these objects,
symbols, structures and glyphs on Mars; simple erosion, or other
natural forces could not have created the exacting duplication of
objects.  The undeniable bi-pedal hominid figures we've found
etched into the plateau, nor the elegant relationships between
the anomalies that are the hallmark of Inca City.

Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of people, with massive
amounts of power and money behind them, who are just as
determined the public should not have that opportunity.  To them
we say "'NUTS'!  We are NOT the people characterized by the
Brookings Institute. We are a clear thinking, well educated, and
socially mature people, who have had more than enough government
'spoon-feeding'".  We The People, who funded the NASA missions,
which generated these images in the first place, have every right
to know what is contained in them. And we're not going to stop
until this book is in the hands of the people, where it belongs.


 -B.J.
Wolf


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               Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:45:17 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:01:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952


>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:39:50 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>

>>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>investigation
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:39:37 EST

>>>From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
>>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:53 -0600

>>>Washington, DC - 1952

>>>Starting January 13th, the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and the
>>>International Society for UFO Research (ISUR) will commence an
>>>investigation into this well known case. MSN's UFO Forum will
>>>assist in coordinating the effort.

>><snip>

>>Hello to the list and to Yvonne...

>>I can attest to the following facts that occurred in Washington,
>>DC in 1952...


>Hey Jack.

>Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
>Washington Fly Overs.

>I have studied that case for over 30 years, and I am finally
>glad to have someone come forward who was actually there when
>they were taking place.

>In all the years we have posted in FIDO UFO, I have never
>heard you tell that story.  That doesn't mean that you
>haven't.

Hello the list, and to Michael who I now address...

I've mentioned the Washington, DC case once or twice over the
years, but not the fact I lived on Harvard St. N.W.  I lived in
an apartment building, but the scenes from the movie were of a
3-storey brownstone house, which was typical for the
neighborhood. Funny thing, I cannot recall seeing any motion
picture people thereabouts, though.  It was fun seeing all the
familiar sights in a major movie. I felt like I was a part of the
whole thing. To be honest, I didn't fully appreciate the
ramifications of the UFO events at the time. ...But I do now.

>An interesting coincidence, indeed.  It makes one wonder if
>the movie was a prerequisite for "staging" those events.
>I know, some will say that it was not possible for our
>government to stage such an event at that time in our history.
>But, I ask, how do we know that for a fact?  It seems that
>there possibly were "flying disks" in operation on this
>planet at that time which were of "terrestrial" design and
>development.

>The public has been used as pawns in the international
>chess games for many years.  Who is to say this was not
>just one of those games?   Hmmmmmm

I don't think the Washington events were anything but
spontaneous. Everything was so open and public. Nowadays, people
are afraid of being stigmatized, and are much more shy of talking
about UFOs.

I will be happy to assist the investigation in any manner I can.
Any questions asked of me will have the advantage of a first
hand recollection.  I just hope I can remember enough to be
of help.

Regards,

Jack








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                                 BAR 199801

From: BufoCalvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:28:00 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:49:59 -0500
Subject: BAR 199801

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sure it is clear that you are forwarding it).
January 1998

Welcome to the first ever edition of Bufo's ANOMALIT REVIEW!  "Anomalit" is
short for "Anomalous Literature"...in short, publications about weird stuff.
This is the second spin-off from Bufo's WEIRD WORLD.  The second was Bufo's
WEIRD WORLD Media Alert.  All three are available free as e-mail.

Books mentioned in BAR can be ordered on most e-mail systems by clicking on
the hyperlink title.  This will take you to the book at Amazon.com.  You can
read more about it at that point and decide if you want to order it.  If you
do, you add it to your "shopping cart".  Then, if you want another title
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please e-mail Bufo at bufocalvin@aol.com.

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Hidden Files : Law Enforcement's True Case Stories of the Unexplained an</A>d
and Paranormal)
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( <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Weirdware2/bwwb-weirdmisc.html">General
Weird</A> )
Trade (large-size) paperback, 209 pages
Some photographs: NO index, NO bibliography
List price: $14.95, Amazon price* $11.96
When I first heard about this book, I envisioned it as containing police
reports related to weird happenings.  There are many famous instances where we
know the police have been called, and presumably, reports have been filed.
For example, we know police responded to the Hopkinsville, Kentucky "goblin
invasion" in 1955.  I'd love to see how they wrote that one up!  We also know
of cases in which police officers were the main witnesses (Lonnie Zamora in
Socorro, Herb Schirmer in Nebraska, and PC Alan Godfrey in Todmorden
immediately leap to mind).  Although I only mentioned UFO cases, they have
also been involved in cryptozoology (bigfoot, Loch Ness monster, and the
like), poltergeist cases, etc.  Unfortunately, there isn't a single official
police document in the book, and very few well-known stories.  Instead, the
author interviewed current and retired law enforcement professionals.  This
does result in an interesting volume, albeit one which is essentially
anecdotal.  The coverage of topics is fairly broad (including voodoo, cattle
mutilations, and bigfoot), and should appeal to people who just want an
exciting read.  I have to say, though, that the caption for a bigfoot still
from the Patterson film (the still had nothing to do with the specific report
included in the book, by the way) was very inaccurate.  It begins, "This photo
of 'Big Gal', shot near Portland, Oregon, in January 1967..."  Well, I've
never heard "Patty" referred to as "Big Gal", the movie (I think it's worth
noting in the caption that it was a movie, not a still shot) was supposedly
taken near Bluff Creek, California, and the date is allegedly in October of
1967, not January.  The author may, of course, have not written the caption,
but it certainly throws the fact-checking on this book into doubt.  Still, it
is well-written and entertaining, and may enlighten some people as to the
involvement in this area of "trained observers".

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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA...

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:03:30 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:12:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA...


> From: James Easton pulsar@compuserve.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:32 =960500
> Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:43:36 -0500
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> Does this leave only Dr. Edgar Mitchell and has he ever
> actually cited evidence, or has no astronaut in fact ever
> claimed there was a 'cover up'?

At:

http://www.iufog.org/updates/9642815343.shtml

a transcript of the April 19, 1996 "Dateline NBC" features Dennis
Murphy interviewing Edgar Mitchell:

***********************

MURPHY:  Do you think it's more likely than not that
extraterrestrials have been to this planet?

Mr. E. MITCHELL: From what I now understand and have experienced
and seen the evidence for, I think the evidence is very strong,
and large portions of it are classified.

MURPHY: Classified by whom?

Mr. E. MITCHELL: By governments.

MURPHY: You're saying it-it-it not only likely happened, but
there's been a cover-up?

Mr. E. MITCHELL:  Oh I--I think if it has happened the way it
seems to be, there's definitely been a cover-up.

MURPHY: (Voiceover) Mitchell wouldn't name names. but he says
some of his information comes from former highly classified US
government employees, people who say our government picked up
sonic engineering secrets from UFOs.









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              Re: The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.)

From: Whitewolf <witewolf@neptune.on.ca> [Paul Whitewolf]
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 12:25:29 -0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:58:02 -0500
Subject: Re: The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.)

She-ko (hello) Errol and list;

>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:27:47 +0100
>Subject: The Boston Globe: Sightings In Exeter (N.H.) Area

>Published at The Boston Globe's website January 10 1998. URL:

>http://www.boston.com/dailynews/wirehtml/010/What_Was_It_.htm

>*******

>What Was It?

>Associated Press, 01/10/98 13:57

>EXETER, N.H. (AP) - A Newmarket man was nearly blinded by a bright
>light in the sky last month, and he's on a mission to find out what it
>was.

>Dave Jackson said the mysterious brilliant blue flash lit up the sky
>over Exeter on Dec. 28 as he drove along Route 88.

This is so hilarious. What's that word New Ager's use?
Syncronicity? Or is it real ET humor?

I live in Newmarket, Ontario, and on Dec. 28 I was just outside
Francestown N.H. on vacation.

Francestown and Exeter are about 20 miles away.

An abductee friend of mine who I was visiting went out UFO
watching just outside Francestown out in the hills on the 28th.
We watched a number of jets while we did that 'abductee' thing
and tried to communicate our desire to see something.

It took a while, and it was damned cold, but between 9:30 and
11:00 PM we observed a diffused light appear "above" the horizon
and fly towards us.

I recognized this "diffused" type of light from research work
I've assisted with on the west end of Lake Ontario, you know,
where the beasties can be seen flying up the Niagra river and
then submerge into the water?
(Go see it for yourselves guys).

Anyway as the light flew up towards us my friend told me to get
the binoculars. At this point it was approaching us and was at
approx. 45 degrees above the horizon. We turned around to get the
binoc's and when we turned around the bloody thing had
dissappeared from the sky.

We saw no red or blue light on either side of the diffused light.
The diffused soft white light was very different from ALL the
other jet's that we saw and was flying at a vector different from
all the other jets we observed. I am a bit familiar with aircraft
externals from things that I have learned from my boss who used
to work in weapons development for the British Aircraft
Corporation, as well as reverse engineering foreign technology
for them under contract to the RAF.

So list, I have no public proof, just a story, so you can nail
the coffin on me and not worry about having to disprove anything.

Sleep well.

>"It was brighter than anything I've ever seen," he said.

What we saw was not bright but a notably softer, diffused whitish
color about half the size of a dime.

>Jackson said he's heard from a Hampton Falls woman who saw a similar
>blinding flash in the same area about a month earlier.

>He plans to meet with a UFO investigator near the site.

>Peter Geremia, director of the state chapter of a group called the
>Mutual UFO Network, said an investigation begins by ruling out
>explainable causes such as aircraft or the weather. He said some UFO
>investigations take several months, but most last only a couple of
>weeks.---Brookline Copshmrnas

<snip> <on the pepper spray story>

I just thought this was so hilarious when I read this Errol I had
to send something in. My friend from N.H. noticed the post first
and emailed me. I'm so used to not being believed I've given up
telling anybody but other abductee's about this sort of stuff.
But this was too funny to pass up.

I guess there must be a Newmarket in New Hampshire as well. The
poor guy's on a mission who saw this thing. Dear God I hope he
can put up with ridicule and the loss of long term friends.

In peace and friendship,
Whitewolf.


"If you can't laugh at yourself, you might be missing the joke of
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                     'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:01:04 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:09:47 -0500
Subject: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

According to the  Skeptical Inquirer (July l997), John English, a
former director of the International Aerospece Hall of Fame and a
graphics designer, noted that the 'DANGER' sign on the wall of
the autopsy room was a standard government-issue sign. He tracked
the graphics design to a specific OSHA issue. It was alledgedly
for government use in l973  9The sign).

Can anyone verify this ?

Yours,

Philip Mantle.








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                       UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 2

From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:37:19 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0500
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 2


     UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 2
January 11, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

SPANISH POLICE ARREST
UFO BELIEVERS IN THE
CANARY ISLANDS

     On Thursday, January 8, 1998, at about 1:30 a.m.,
Spanish police raided an apartment house in Barrio
de la Salud, in Santa Cruz de Tenerife and arrested
32 members of a local UFO group.
     Tenerife is the largest of the seven Islas Canarias
(Canary Islands), owned by Spain and located in the
Atlantic Ocean just west of Africa.
     A few hours earlier, Spanish police arrested the
group's founder, Dr. Heide Fittkau-Garthe, 57, a psychologist
from Germany who settled on Tenerife back in 1985.
     According to Antonio Lopez Ojeda of Spain's Ministry
of the Interior, Dr. Fittkau-Garthe was arrested "on charges
of attempting to induce suicide and was being held at a
Tenerife police station."
     "Mr. Lopez Ojeda said the police believed the sect was
an offshoot of the Order of the Solar Temple, whose
followers have carried out mass suicides in Canada,
France and Switzerland.  He said the police were still
investigating."  (See the New York Times for January 9,
1998, "Suicide Sect Leader Held On Canary Islands,"
page A-8)
     The group had two names for themselves, Centro
Sagrado de Isis (Sacred Center of Isis) and Orden del
Santuario Solar (Order of the Solar Shrine), plus a
headquarters in Santa Cruz, the largest city on Tenerife.
     Members arrested included 14 men, 13 women and
five children between the ages of 12 and 6.  The prisoners
are being held incommunicado.
     "Police spokesman Juan Antonio Perez said" Dr.
Fittkau-Garthe "had 'brainwashed' her disciples, and they
would need to be 'deprogrammed.'"
     "'A chemical substance was found at the house and
it seems the group members were going to use it to
poison themselves,' Perez said."
     "'The minds of the 32 victims have been programmed;
they've been brainwashed,' Perez said, 'They have to be
deprogrammed before they can cooperate with police.'"
(Editor's Comment: Yes, readers, that's what the man
said.  Don't take my word for it.  Look it up.  See the
Boston, Mass. Globe for January 10, 1998, "Police Find
Poison at Home of Suspected Cult Leader," page A-9.)
     At a news conference in Santa Cruz de Tenerife on
January 9, police spokesmen said the group was
planning a trip to Pico de Teide, an extinct volcano
80 kilometers (50 miles) southeast of Santa Cruz.
At the summit, they reportedly planned to "rendezous
with the space brothers."
     "The group, which may be linked to the infamous
Solar Temple cult or a Hindu apocalyptic sect, had
planned to kill themselves at the top of Tenerife's
Teide volcano, from where they believed their souls
would be picked up by a spaceship, officials said."
(Boston, Mass. Globe, January 10, 1998)
     According to Heliodoro Rodriguez, subdelegate
for Santa Cruz de Tenerife, police noticed an influx
of German and Belgian citizens in recent weeks,
all members of Centro Sagrado de Isis.  Dr. Heide
Fittkau-Garthe "was considered a kind of prophet."
     Rodriguez praised "the collaborative effort by
Interpol and the German police" who reportedly spied
on "the cult and its activities in Spain."
     Rodriguez also declined to discuss whether or
not the Ministry of the Interior had planted informers
in the group during the past few months.
     The official shocked Spanish TV viewers when
he mentioned that the Ministry had compiled a list
of "200,000 members of dangerous sects" in Spain.
(Muchas gracias a Pedro P. Canto para esos
informes espanol.)
(Editor's Comment:  It looks like Heide Fittkau-Garthe
and her followers are getting the John Ford treatment.
Has NATO declared war on UFO enthusiasts?)

UFOs SIGHTED IN ROCKLAND,
MASSACHUSETTS

     On Wednesday, December 31, 1997, at 8:52 a.m.,
Lynn S. was driving in rush-hour traffic in Rockland,
Massachusetts (population 15,695), a suburb on
Route 139 approximately 25 miles (40 kilometers)
southeast of Boston.
     As she neared Reed's Pond, on Market Street
in Rockland, she spotted "a cigar-shaped craft that
hovered for a minute and 45 seconds above the waters
of Reed's Pond before it plunged in and exploded.
I saw the object come across the sky, pulsating a
blue light from the top with two strong flashing lights
on each side."
     "Traffic slowed, but no one seemed to care enough
to get out and see what the object was," she reported.
"As I approached the traffic lights, people were pointing
back at the pond.  But without the (traffic) light working,
drivers were beginning to swear, cut people off and
no one was paying any attention to the object."
     "Upon driving home and finding I had no electricity,
I called the electric company but only got a recording.
I began calling other residents of the town.  They all
said they had no electricity after they 'heard the planes
go over.'"
     At 9:15 a.m., Lynn drove back to Reed's Pond.
"To my amazement, a black ball hovered in the sky
above it, as big as a silver dollar, but nothing was
astir in the pond.  I noticed dead ducks and seagulls
floating on the surface."
     The UFO zipped away seconds later.  "For the
record, I never heard any planes."  (Email Interview)

LUMINOUS UFO SEEN IN
WESTERN IOWA

     On Friday, January 2, 1998, at 6 p.m., Jason B.
and Brandon C. were walking along the railroad
tracks in their hometown of Missouri Valley, Iowa
(population 2,888) when they spotted a strange
light in the sky.
     "While walking down the tracks, we observed an
extremely bright light off towards Council Bluffs
(i.e. to the south--J.T.).  At first we thought it was a
falling star," Jason and Brandon reported.  "We
stopped to watch it for about 20 seconds."
     "It was directly above us and circled the grain
elevator," Jason said.  "Then it sped off very fast,
following the railroad tracks towards the east."
     Missouri Valley is on Iowa Highway 30
approximately 130 miles (208 kilometers) west
of Des Moines.  (Many thanks to Tim Hagemeister
of NACOMM for this report.)

SPHEROID UFO SIGHTED IN
SAN BENITO, TEXAS

     A UFO was sighted in San Benito, Texas
(population 20,125) during the evening of Tuesday,
December 23, 1997.
     A married couple and their two sons, ages 16
and 12, were traveling southeast on Highway 77.
The father, R.C., and his family were enjoying the
radio and had just passed the small local airport.
     Suddenly, at precisely 6:59 p.m., they saw a
light speeding across the sky.  The UFO was a
small, soundless ball of white light.  It was 35
degrees above the horizon and was traveling south
in a straight line at jet speed.
     The family had it in view for 15 seconds during
which time the car radio went dead.  The UFO
dropped behind a group of trees.  When their car
cleared the trees, the UFO was gone.  (Direct
submission from a Texas resident.)

AIRLINE PILOT SEES A UFO
FROM BEACH IN MEXICO

     On Saturday, January 3, 1998, at 3 a.m., airline
pilot Gary Sanders was standing on the beach in
Puerto Vallarta, a seaside resort on the Bahia de
Banderas 580 kilometers (348 miles) west of
Mexico City.
     "I am an airline pilot with over 30 years' flying
experience, including 24 years with the USAF and
Air National Guard," he reported.  "While standing
on the beach and looking at the stars with another
airline pilot, I observed a reddish-colored light, which
I initially thought was a meteorite, move rapidly from
east to west."
     "As I pointed out the light to my companion, the
object suddenly changed direction by about 135
degrees of turn and very sharply.  The movement
defied any laws of flight and physics that I am aware
of.  The light made another rapid change of course
to a westerly heading, then disappeared out of sight."
     "I was so startled that I immediately confirmed
with my companion what I had just seen.  I have
never seen any flying object perform this type of
maneuver before."  (Many thanks to Henny van der
Pluijm and Errol Bruce-Knapp for this report.)

AUSTRALIAN UFO FLAP
RINGS IN THE NEW YEAR

     UFO sightings in Australia's Victoria state rang
in the southern hemisphere's New Year.
     On December 31, 1997, a "bright orange
illumination" was seen "traveling from the southeast
to the northwest" over Pakenham, Narre Warren and
the Dandenong mountain range in Victoria.
     Ten minutes past midnight, on January 1, 1998,
"a high-altitude illumination," possibly an object in
orbit reflecting sunlight, was observed for three minutes
over Victoria, heading north.
     At 12:17 a.m., witnesses reported seeing "a blue-
white illumination 30 degrees to the northeast" over
Victoria's state forest, moving across the northern sky.
     From 12:20 to 12:25 a.m., witnesses reported
seeing "ten meteorites crossing the sky, traveling
from the east over central Victoria."
     Two days later, on January 3, 1998, residents of
Bendigo, Vic., 125 miles (200 kilometers) northwest
of Melbourne, at approximately 2:45 p.m., "reported
spotting a hamburger-shaped UFO.  The object
appeared to be silver in colour."  After hovering for
a few seconds, the UFO "shot straight up into the
upper atmosphere until out of sight."
     That evening, at 10:30 p.m., people in Newcastle,
New South Wales (N.S.W.), a port city 110 miles
(176 kilometers) north of Sydney, "reported sighting a
huge blue-green illumination passing overhead."
     On Sunday, January 4, 1998, at midnight, ten
residents of Keybrough, Vic., a suburb of Melbourne,
"reported sighting two bright orange fireball illuminations"
flying from south to north over Melbourne's eastern
suburbs.  "The illuminations appeared to travel faster
than a small aeroplane and following each other for
some time before coming into a vertical arrangement
(i.e. one on top of the other), then reduced speed and
came to a dead stop.  The higher illumination appeared
to drop a bright light to the other.  Then they both moved
off to the north until out of sight."  (Many thanks to
Ross Dowe of Australia's National 24-Hour UFO Hotline
for these reports.)

UFO CHASES MOTORIST IN
THE BAVARIAN ALPS

     On Saturday, January 3, 1998, Emil D. was
driving on an autobahn (highway) in Germany's
Bayerische Alpen (Bavarian Alps) near
Traunstein, a small city 110 kilometers
(66 miles) east of Munchen (Munich).
     Suddenly, he looked in his rear-view mirror
and saw "a gigantic flying disc" coming up
behind him.  The UFO was described as
"bright silver with rotating lights along the rim."
     The UFO pursued Emil's car for 8 kilometers
(5 miles) before rising quickly in altitude and
zipping away over the southern horizon.
     The huge daylight disc was also seen in
Muhldorf, 60 kilometers (36 miles) north of
Traunstein, and across the border near Sankt
Johan am Tirol, Austria.  (See the Sueddeutsche
Zeitung for January 7, 1998.  Danke schoen a
Josef Schedel.)

STRATHCLYDE JOLTED BY
MYSTERIOUS TREMORS

     Strange earth tremors have rocked Scotland's
Strathclyde region twice in the past couple of weeks.
     In mid-December, a strong tremor shook the
multi-million-pound Centre One building in
Stewartfield.  "More than 30 Inland Revenue (the
UK's tax agency--J.T.) workers were evacuated...
Desks rocked, computer screens flickered and
windows rattled as employees were whisked to a
safety zone.  The tremor triggered emergency
readings at several seismological stations in
Scotland."
     During the early hours of Monday, December 22,
1997, a second round of tremors struck the East
Kilbride area, 30 miles (48 kilometers) southeast
of Glasgow.
     "Frightened residents in Greenhills, Westwood
and Calderglen have reported another round of
tremors...A number of people called the (East Kilbride)
News to say they had been all shook up by a quake
in the early morning hours..."
     "'It was like a low overhead thunder directly above
the house,' said Aileen Wilson, 39, from Gasgoyne,
Westwood.  She said that she "feared for her seven-
month-old baby daughter when the tremor started
just before 7 a.m."
     The tremor "'was followed by a series of noises
like fireworks going off,' she explained, 'It sounded like
a gas explosion coming from the Westwood playing
fields.  I jumped out of bed and lifted my baby Lynsay.
Everything in the room was shaking.  It lasted quite
a long time.'"
     "Thomas Stewart, 39, from Carnoustie Drive,
Greenhills, heard deafening whirring noises when
his windows shivered violently around 7 s.m."
     "'It sounded like a rocket,' said the Ministry of
Defence worker.  'I'm puzzled as to what exactly is
going on and would like an answer.'"
     "Glenn Ford of the British Geological Survey in
Edinburgh said, 'This was NOT an earthquake and
went on for too long for a sonic boom.  It is very
strange, but we are getting readings on our
instruments, but the actual cause remains a mystery
so far."  (See the East Kilbride News for December 30,
1997, "Mystery Tremors," page 3.  Many thanks to
Dean Ladds of Flying Saucer Review for forwarding
this news article.)

UFO SIGHTED IN CHINA

     On Tuesday, December 23, 1997, hundreds of
Chinese workers in an industrial area on the outskirts
of Canton spotted a UFO in the sky.
     The UFO was described as "an oblong oval with
an array of windows.  The windows had a bright
corona of light around them.  A periodic ray of light
burst from the craft's underside at several intervals."
     The UFO alternately hovered and flew slowly
over the factories and houses for several minutes,
then flew away at an extremely high speed.
     Canton, the largest city in Guangdong province,
is 1,296 kilometers (810 miles) south of Beijing.
(See the Italian newspaper Il Stampa for
December 27, 1997.  Grazie a Edoardo Russo
di CISU per questo rapporto.)

from the UFO Files...

1949: STRANGE PHENOMENON
          IN GARDNERVILLE

     One of the strangest UFO phenomena on record
occurred at the farm of Sara Elizabeth Lampe and
her husband near Gardnerville, Nevada, about
15 miles (24 kilometers) south of Carson City, the
state capital.
     On a cold January morning in 1949, Mrs. Lampe
wrote, following a heavy snowfall, she glanced out
her parlor window and saw something strange.
     "Gradually my eyes focused upon a pale gray
stain, irregulaly shaped and no bigger than my two
hands.  It rested on the smooth crest (of snow)...
about three rods from the house and in line with
the window.  Almost at once this fuzzy gray shadow
that was not a shadow bloomed into a disc of clear
white light approximately three feet in diameter.  It
lay there for fully two minutes.  Then suddenly
contracting into a brilliant, orange-tinted stream
five or six inches wide, flowed swiftly over the snow
toward my window and, to all appearances,
exploded soundlessly against the stone foundation
of the intervening front porch."
     "Several tongues of scintillating red-and-blue
flame spurted a few inches above the two-and-a-half
foot high wainscotting of the porch.  That was all.
When daylight came, we searched conscientiously
but found no signs, marks or tracks of any kind that
might help to explain this phenomenon."
(See THE CASE FOR THE UFO by Morris K.
Jessup, Citadel Press, New York, N.Y., 1955,
page 168)

FUN UFO WEBSITES:
     For a detailed roster of recent UFO sightings in
France and elsewhere in western Europe, be sure
to check out the Banque OVNI website.  Franck
Marie and his team do an excellent job of listing
every UFO sighted over there.  Drop in at this URL:
http://www.chez.com/banqueovni/index.htm
     Celebrate the new year by visiting our parent
site, UFO INFO, which is chock-full of photos, art
and feature stories.  You'll find us at this address:
http://www.digiserve.com/ufoinfo/
     To access back issues of UFO ROUNDUP,
visit our webpage at
http://www.digiserve.com/ufoinfo/roundup

     Let's all welcome our new readers from
Germany, Italy and Peru.  Between the Tenerife
case and last week's rash of UFO sightings, the
year 1998 is off to a wild start.  Join us next
Sunday for more saucer news from "the paper
that goes home--UFO ROUNDUP."

UFO ROUNDUP: Copyright 1998 by Masinaigan
Productions, all rights reserved.  Readers may post
news items from UFO ROUNDUP on their websites
or in newsgroups provided that they credit the
newsletter and its editor by name and list the date
of issue in which the item first appeared.







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              Re: Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:15:02 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:33:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Washington Post: John Ford article - 98-01-11

 >Thanks to Steven Kaeser for the URL

> ebk

> From:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-01/11/069l-01119

> 8-idx.html

> OUT THERE
> They Thought UFOs Had Landed. A Case of Hysteria, Politics,
> Poison and Toothpaste.

> By Michael Colton
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Sunday, January 11, 1998; Page F01


Honored List --

After snipping all the clever condescension and the laughing up
patronizing sleeves (with the tongue entrenched, firmly, in
business as usual media cheeks) -- this article _still_ managed
to describe an innocent David with an unjust Goliath standing on
his chest. An oblique comparison to a rogues gallery of kooks and
serial murderers does not discount the suspect circumstances of
Ford's incarceration, and painting his tormentors as rational
politicos while likening Ford to a "John Belushi look alike, with
the voice of Elmer Fudd," is a distracting obfuscation of the
real issue. I don't care if John Ford pranced in his moon lit
back yard with a peacock feather in his ass -- the _issue_ is his
arbitrary, suspect, and contrived persecution! Read the article,
have a big yuck at John Ford's expense -- luxuriate in the faux
relief that he is a "nut" after all (it must be true, it's what
the mainstream says). We'll all have a similar laugh when we're
reading a similar article about YOU!

Lehmberg@snowhill.com
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"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.








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               Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:47:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952


>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:45:17 EST


>>Hey Jack.

>>Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
>>Washington Fly Overs.

>>I have studied that case for over 30 years, and I am finally
>>glad to have someone come forward who was actually there when
>>they were taking place.

>>In all the years we have posted in FIDO UFO, I have never
>>heard you tell that story.  That doesn't mean that you
>>haven't.

>Hello the list, and to Michael who I now address...

>I've mentioned the Washington, DC case once or twice over the
>years, but not the fact I lived on Harvard St. N.W.  I lived in
>an apartment building, but the scenes from the movie were of a
>3-storey brownstone house, which was typical for the
>neighborhood. Funny thing, I cannot recall seeing any motion
>picture people thereabouts, though.  It was fun seeing all the
>familiar sights in a major movie. I felt like I was a part of the
>whole thing. To be honest, I didn't fully appreciate the
>ramifications of the UFO events at the time. ...But I do now.

Grin...yes, I guess you would.  I think I would feel the same
way.  But, like you, I would wonder how they filmed the scene
without "seeing" a film crew in the area.  Those things are not
usually filmed in say, five minutes.

I was an extra on the film:  "A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN," the story
of the Women's Basball League in the 1940's during the War
years.

Virtually any scene they filmed; even though it only took a
moment to protray in the actual film, would take 15 to 30 minutes
to set up, lay out, and shoot.  They would shoot it from
different angles.  I guess later when they were screening the
footage, they decided which scene was the best.

Grin...Having seen the movie, it appears that my "walk throughs,"
were left on the cutting room floor.  It was an interesting
experience however.  My wife, daughter and I were there for three
days.

So, from your point of reflection, what do you now consider to be
"the full ramifications," of the UFO events of the time?

>>An interesting coincidence, indeed.  It makes one wonder if
>>the movie was a prerequisite for "staging" those events.
>>I know, some will say that it was not possible for our
>>government to stage such an event at that time in our history.
>>But, I ask, how do we know that for a fact?  It seems that
>>there possibly were "flying disks" in operation on this
>>planet at that time which were of "terrestrial" design and
>>development.

>>The public has been used as pawns in the international
>>chess games for many years.  Who is to say this was not
>>just one of those games?   Hmmmmmm

>I don't think the Washington events were anything but
>spontaneous. Everything was so open and public. Nowadays, people
>are afraid of being stigmatized, and are much more shy of talking
>about UFOs.

At the time of the fly overs, yes...however, shortly thereafter,
the lid of secrecy clamped down and it was difficult to get any
further information on the "incidents."

There have been several documentaries made which touched on this
event and showed the alleged radar trackings.  Yet, we still have
a high level of denial surrounding this event.

>I will be happy to assist the investigation in any manner I can.
>Any questions asked of me will have the advantage of a first
>hand recollection.  I just hope I can remember enough to be
>of help.

>Regards,

>Jack

Thanks Jack...I appreciate the offer.

REgards, Mike








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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:17:48 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:07:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> From: James Easton pulsar@compuserve.com
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:38:32 =960500
> Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:43:36 -0500
> Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

> Does this leave only Dr. Edgar Mitchell and has he ever
> actually cited evidence, or has no astronaut in fact ever
> claimed there was a 'cover up'?

Below is my transcription a small segment of an Art Bell
interview with Edgar Mitchell.  It begins about 15:50 into the
11-4-97 Real Audio archive at:

http://ww2.audionet.com/artbell/archive.html

The interview was sparked by a 10-15-97 Associated Press article
about Mitchell's Phoenix Prophets' Conference remarks, apparently
regarding recovered alien spacecraft.  What seems to be another
version of this article is currently ensconced in the ACC website
at:

http://american-computer.com/mitchell.htm

***************

Art:  ...Somebody faxed me the following Associated Press
article, "Phoenix AP [Phoenix, mind you, dateline]: Former
astronaut Edgar Mitchell is among those who believe aliens have
crash landed on Earth....Mitchell, who, in 1971, became the sixth
man...to walk on the moon, wants congressional hearings into what
he calls a secret US government that knows all about it.  He
believes some military and other planes use technology derived
from alien spacecraft that have been captured and
dissected....'When I went to the moon twenty-six years ago, it
was conventional wisdom, religiously and philosophically, that we
were still the biological center of the universe,' Mitchell told
a spiritual gathering called the Prophet's Conference on
Saturday.  'Few if any thinking, knowledgeable people accept that
theory anymore.' "  End quote.  Here, from Florida, is Dr. Edgar
Mitchell.  Doctor, welcome to the program.

Dr. Mitchell:  Hello, good evening, Art, how are you today?

Art:  I'm just fine.  I remember when I first called you a couple
of weeks ago, and I read you this headline from the AP, you
laughed and laughed and laughed [ha-ha-ha], and said, well, they
might have pushed the envelope a little bit on this one, in the
writing of it.

Dr. Mitchell:  Yes, I think we can say that.

Art:  [Haw haw haw!] Is it, aside from the headline, well, let's
talk about the headline, "Former Astronaut Edgar Mitchell is
among those who believe aliens have crash landed on Earth."
Respond to that. Would you say that is true, false, or...

Dr. Mitchell:  It's squishy.  I can't say I believe anything,
Art.  I simply look at the evidence, and I have no first-hand
evidence in that particular instance.  But I, fortunately, have
been listening to people of government and military background,
who, during the course of their official duties, claim that those
are true events.  I have no reason to disbelieve these folks.  I
judge most of them are senior, and can be checked out as to have
been where they said they have been, and had the responsibilities
that they claim.  So, I tend to believe that what they say is
true.

Art: Doctor, what kind of people are we talking about here?
Pilots...?

Dr. Mitchell:  Well, pilots, but I'm thinking more in this case
of people with some military or government management capability
or investigative responsibility, over the years, who were in a
position, due to their official duties, to have this type of
knowledge....I certainly don't want to, I don't diminish in any
way the reports of average citizens, or even police officers,
who, I'm sure, run into these things all the time, but I was more
concerned with the folks - with regard to this back engineering
question - more concerned with the folks who presumably were
there and had the responsibility to know.

Art:  How convinced are you, and that doesn't mean that you
believe, because that requires a leap of faith, but just based on
what you've heard, you know, you've got the whole Colonel Corso
business going on now, I assume you're somewhat familiar with the
story he's told, that there has been some retrieval, somewhere,
sometime, of technology that came not of the Earth, that we took
advantage of, back-engineered, in some way...

Dr. Mitchell:  Well, there are several folks that tell that same
story, and I have no way to judge the details of it, except that
it rings fairly true from what the world of circumstantial
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                  {87} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:39:05 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:36:18 -0500
Subject: {87} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

        ______ _______ ____
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 U K  /  /  //  ___/ /  /  '                                Jan 11th, 1998
     /  /  //  /    /  /  /  N E T W O R K                 part 1 Issue 87
--- (_____//__/ -- (_____/------------------------------------------------

The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 40 countries.

This issue comes in 4 parts. If any part is missing please mail:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be
reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject
section e.g.  Repost {87} part 1, part 2, part 3 or part 4.

In this issue:

Editorial
---------

Graham W. Birdsall uk.ufo.nw special guest on IRC

United Kingdom News
-------------------

[UK 1] RAF Cosford security tightened
[UK 2] Cornwall plans for eclipse in 1999
[UK 3] 'Eclipse disaster' summit today
[UK 4] Lights plague Cornwall's South West Peninsular
[UK 5] UFO sighting over Bury, Lancashire
[UK 6] Saucer landing spot will suit you to a tea
[UK 7] Spies like US


World News
----------

[W 1] (Mexico) Mexican snow
[W 2] Jetliners encounter over New Jersey
[W 3] Fireball in sky being called UFO - Chicago
[W 4] NASA Looks Toward Visionary Interstellar Travel
[W 5] Tail-less Fighter Flight Tests Complete
[W 6] Hawaiian estate offered for Heaven's Gate suicide site
[W 7] American Computer Company Makes A Remarkable Discovery!
[W 8] Jack Shulman Exposes Hidden Ultra-Secret ET Military
      Organisation
[W 9] Most Americans think there's life on other planets
[W 10] NASA flouts Einstein, explores feasibility of interstellar
       journeys
[W 11] Lunar Prospector blasts off


Letters
-------

A request for information


Book serialisation
------------------

A FEARFUL SYMMETRY

A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES

By D. Lynne Bishop


Editorial
=========

On Saturday 10th January 1998 UK.UFO.NW were very honoured to have
on it's IRC (internet relay chat) #UFO channel Graham W. Birdsall
editor of the highly popular UK periodical 'UFO Magazine'. UFO
Magazine has 140,000 readers in over 36 countries.

The 70 visitors to the channel came from as far or as near as:
Sweden : Iceland : UK : USA : Isle of Man (UK) : Northern Island :
Germany : Netherlands

We would like to thank Graham for his patience and perseverance
during the week leading up the meeting. Not everything went to plan.
Graham was good enough to drive to his office's at Quest Publications
to connect. When you consider he did this at 11pm (UK time) at night,
he put himself out for us. We were all most grateful.

Our thanks also to Andrew Metcalf, UFO Magazine's web creator for
sorting irc programs out at Graham's end.

Further thanks go to Crow & Raine for making an excellent job of
moderating the meeting and also to Paul_J for whom without the
meeting would not have been possible on that night. Hackers took a
hand in trying to shut down the irc servers used by our channel
throughout the world. Paul_J worked his fingers to the bone getting
everything back on line and keeping it that way.

The log of the meeting is below.

Readers are reminded that we have Dan Sherman author of Above Black
Project Preserve Destiny as our special guest on Saturday 31st
January. Further details will be posted shortly.

---

Graham Birdsall on the UK-UFO-NW IRC #UFO Channel

This is a cleaned up log, of the United Kingdom UFO Network's
Saturday 10th January 1998 IRC meeting on #UFO with guest Graham
Birdsall editor of the UK's UFO Magazine. Graham kindly gave up a
couple of hours of his spare time to answer some questions for the
visitors to the channel. Below you will find a list of questions that
were asked along with his replies. The name in between the < >'s e.g.
<Lloydy> is the nick name of the IRC user asking the question and
where you see <Graham> is of course the start of Graham's reply.

CREDITS:

We would like to thank Dave_UFO for arranging this meeting with
Graham Birdsall.

We would like to thank Graham for attending this meeting and
answering the questions put to him.

We would like to thank all the people involved in asking questions.

We would like to thank everyone who attended the meeting.

We would like to thank Crow & Raine for moderating the meeting

Session Start: Sat Jan 10 23:12:21 1998

*** Crow sets mode: +o Graham

<Dave_UFO> Hello everyone and welcome to the UK.UFO.NW -IRC- UFO
channel. We are very honoured to have with us tonight our special
guest Graham Birdsall. Graham is the editor of the highly popular
publication 'UFO Magazine'.

<Dave_UFO> Raine's busy typing. We'll be there in a sec.

<Graham> Roger that, perhaps if I end with GWB rather than ?? it
might help you GWB

*** Raine sets mode: +m

<Dave_UFO> Graham: Thats great thanks.

<Dave_UFO> Ok Raine - are we ready?

<Crow> ok we are nearly ready Graham when you have answered the
questions would you plz type ?? to indicate you are ready for the
next question

<Graham> How about GWB

<Crow> GWB will be fine thanks.

<Raine> This channel is now being moderated, please /msg raine or
crow with your questions and NOT Graham

<Dave_UFO> We have had a few hiccups over the last week, preparing
Graham to be with us tonight. I would certainly like to thank him for
his patience and perseverance and also Andrew Metcalf who got the
connection going at Graham's end. Graham has certainly put himself
out for us tonight as he has actually had to go into his offices at
Quest Publications to be with us.

<Dave_UFO> Graham we thank you for being here and hope that you
enjoy this evening as I'm sure we will.

<Graham> Thanks GWB

<Crow> #ufo2 is open for discussion if you want to join

<Raine> Graham are you gpoing to give us a quick introduction please
before we start with the questions?

<Graham> Well, it's been a long day so I don't want to bore anyone,
but I've been in this subject now for 31 years and the enthusiasm is
still there to get at the answers GWB

<Raine> <CoolNess> First I'd like to say Hi and welcome to #ufo Mr
Birdsall. What I would like to ask is this. With reference to the
Alien Autopsy film you are on record as saying that you believe it to
be fake. Now the evidence is fairly equal as to weather its fake or
genuine so is it your instinct/gut feeling or something else that
makes you believe it (the AA) to be fake?

<Graham> Ever since Ray Santilli made his comments about seeing a
certain President in the observation window, I've expressed my
doubts. We still await independent analysis on one single frame
of the footage, not the video tape, so what more can I say?

*** Phill changes topic to "Graham Birdsall, Editior of the UK UFO
Magaine is currently the guest speaker. To ask a question, /msg it to
Raine."

<Graham> GWB

<Raine> <Tinman-BF> question for Graham - Do you believe UFOs are man
made or originate from other planets were alien species may control
them

<Graham> I'm convinced a small residue of UFOs are "not of this
world" and the evidence suggests they are intelligently controlled.
Whether these are piloted or remotely controlled is anyone's guess,
but folks have been reporting a variety of occupants for the last 50
years, and they don't look like us GWB

<Raine> <CoolNess> Graham, have you ever heard "news" first from
internet newsgroups such as Errol Bruce- Knapps excellent Global
Updates, and have you ever been tempted to print some of the
postings?

<Graham> Yes, I have indeed heard a great deal of news first time of
the Internet, and Errol's newsgroup is always interesting. Timothy
Good met with Errol while at a lecture for a military get-together in
Canada a few weeks ago and spoke highly of him GWB

<Raine> <Crow> Hi Graham thanks for joining us tonight, can you tell
us if when you recently visited Brazil, you recieved any new
information conserning the Varginha Case.

<Graham> Considerable news came out of Brasilia, not least about the
Varginha incident. I persuaded a British film crew to come to Brazil
and they will be doing a one-hour special on this case. I'll keep my
responses brief to give your questionners a fair crack GWB

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> I was seriously of the opinion that as the
year 2000 quickly approaches we were almost at the point of a
Governmental release that UFOs and aliens do actually exist. That was
until the USAF made that ridiculous statement in 1997 claiming that
the bodies found at Roswell were crash dummies. What does your vast
experience tell you. Are we any closer to learning the truth
officially?

<Graham> Any dummy can tell us dummy, said Walter Haut. The air
force have invented time travel for dummies, said Stan Friedman. The
Pentagon shot itself in the foot, and the journalists at that press
conference were sufficiently well informed about Roswell to suggest
as such. Brasilia had a senior Federal Government official open
proceedings, and two senior Brazilian Air Force officials were there
at the closing ceremony, on stage. Some governments are very

<Raine> <Bigyin> Was there any new UFO sigtings discussed at the
conference?

<Graham> Plenty, from dozens of international as well as Brazilian
researchers. The best evidence came from the Chilean representatives
(some of whom now sit on the Air Force Committee on UFOs). I saw some
staggering video tape which had many jaws (including mine) drop to
the floor. Amazing stuff and a "flying ring" that appeared in the
sky, turned-turtle, and then dropped to speed off horizontaly just a
few hundred feet above the ground. No wonder the Chile

<Crow> Graham I think you are typing a bit too much text in one go
and we are loosiing it the last words we saw was: No wonder the Chile

<Graham> Sorry - I wrote 'no wonder the Chilean AF established a
committee on UFOs GWB

<Raine> <HarryD> Mr Graham (or is this your firstname?;) ..are you
aware of the fact that many publicers today are being USED to spread
desinfo.... for instance in the case of BillyMeier ,who I know
personally, which is being defamed awfully....but who"s contacts are
real as I have personally witnessed !!<HarryD> But it seems that Kall
Korffs desinfo seems to be copied by al the publicers without
rechearching the claims of Billy being fraudulant...

<Crow> people if you are not on the Harrow.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org it
maybe a good idea to change server seems the servers are under an
attack from hackers

<Graham> Billy Meier's material is suspect because models were found
close to his Swiss home that were very similar to what appeared in
his photos and footage, but Wendelle Stevens swears by the guy.
Perhaps if Bruce Mac' got hold of the original negatives and footage,
we could make a decision one way or the other GWB

<Raine> <Tinman-BF> Q: What do you feel about the subject of
govenment secrecy

<Graham> Government secrecy on this subject is well documented, or
should I say, un-documented through the release of about 30,000
hitherto classified UFO papers. I don't believe in the worldwide
conspiracy stuff however, can you honestly see the USA in a liaison
with Iran, Iraq or Libya over this issue? GWB

<Raine> <Squeezer> Mr Graham, have their been any recent
developments on the Roswell, NM, July 1947 crash?

<Graham> <Graham> I met with Jesse Marcel Jnr in Brasilia and found
him to be a very honest and somewhat humble, shy gentleman. Jesse's
comments about his father, the material, the case in general, were
highly sincere. He was told by a high-ranking official in Washington
D.C. that Roswell happened, and was not science fiction. He repeated
that publicly in Brasilia. GWB

<Raine> <CyDoNiA> What are your thoughts and theories on the Mars and
Moon abnormalities, Mainly the Face on Mars ?

<Graham> I met with Dr. Mark Carlotto in Brasilia (had him speak for
us at Solihull UK last February). Mark told me that he had a meeting
with NASA's Global Surveyor team, they promised him and Proff.
Stanley McDaniel that everytime the space probe passes over Cydonia,
they will switch their high image cameras to maximum. That's an
exclusive for you. GWB

<Raine> <KennethA> The last I heard was that Santilli refuses to
release the film to Kodak for analysis (the original film, that is).
Doesn't this indicate to you that he's not being honest about his
claims?

<Graham> I can't possibly comment....GWB

<Raine> <Aristotl> Mr. Birdsall, in your years of investigating the
UFO phenomenon, have you noticed anything which you would describe as
peculiarly British, ie. is generally not seen outside the UK?

<Graham> Fascinating question. Need some time to ponder on that, but
my initial reaction is to say "No". What is reported by folks here in
Britain is very similar to events, incidents reported across the
globe. I have to say however that British Ufology is well thought of
and much valued overseas. GWB

<Raine> <Bigyin> what new UFO news came out of the conference in
Brazil?

<Graham> I'd be here until 6.00am answering that one. Outstanding
presentations by so many people, but the Russian Cosmonaut, Alexandr
Balandine told the packed venue that future anomalous images captured
by their cosmonauts would be shared between the Russian Space Agency,
NASA, and a Forum of UFO researchers. Alexandr spent six months on
MIR. GWB

<Raine> <Benat2> forwarded from red (~Java_New1@pool1-
18.netmatters.com) on irc.ultranet.org:<red> Hi graham,
Do u think we should be worried about the millennium.

<Graham> Only if you're hoping to see in the New Year in Edinburgh,
tickets will be hard to get...GWB

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> Wendle Stevens made a big play of the Nashville,
Tennessee UFO which you have featured. It now appears that these
photograph's were nothing more than disco lights and dry ice in some
sort of night club. Has Wendelle Stevens made any further comments on
this?

<Graham> No, he hasn't. But you are correct, the Nashville UFO pics
do appear to have been a classic set of disco lights. People who are
in the business of hoaxing take great delight in fooling the UFO
community, so we have to be constantly on our guard. It's
frustrating, and time wasting, but Wendelles in his eighties now and
I feel for the guy. GWB

<Raine> <SickBoy> Hello. What evidence do you base your magazine's
assertion that unidentified lights in the sky, are likely to be of
intelligent ET origin?

<Graham> I don't, and never have made that assertion. Go back 20
years and you will find my term of UFOs as Unconventional Flying
Objects was probably the first time such a terminology had been made.
I used it to describe RPVs and UAVs. GWB

<Raine> <minator> Graham, First of all Great mag. There have been a
few interesting developments recently: alien embryo, UFO crash
filmed, the mexican film. Do you think these are real or the work of
hoaxers & why should so much be going on at once?

<Graham> Primarily because the means to communicate such events have
improved way beyond anything that was available to us in the late 60s
and 70s. I met with Jaime Maussan in Brasilia, spent an hour
interviewing him, watched his excellent presentation. I'm now
convinced the 6 August '97 event in Mexico City did happen. Over 20
witnesses, but as for the authenticity of the video tape? Jaime told
me, and I quote: "I don't know..." He did have his reasons howe

<Crow> grayham I think you are typing a bit to much text in one go
you can answer in smaller size chunks of text if you would

<Graham> Roger that. GWB

<Raine> <GPZarquon> Question : Does Graham believe in any type of
Time Travel ?

<Graham> All things are possible, who is to say? Note the recent
soundings by astronomers who found that a black hole was distorting,
and I quote: "Time and space". Makes you think, doesn't it? GWB

<Raine> <Yelowrose> Please ask Graham if he thinks we are at war
with any beings "out there" right now? Thank you.

<Graham> Good question. Are some UFOs or their actions hostile? One
can cite numerous accounts where UFO incidents have resulted in
fatalities, especially so with pilots. David Jacobs brings out a new
book shortly entitled "The Threat" - I was with Budd Hopkins last
night attending the big live debate on Central TV, Budd think's this
book will scare the pants off a lot of people. GWB

<Raine> <Lister> Graham, what are your general thoughts about the
crop circle phenomenon? (Bearing in mind that some were obviously
hoaxes while others were less easily explainable)

<Graham> I can't tell you the number of times I'm asked this
question, especially when I travel overseas. There is virtually no
media publicity in the UK attached to crop circles, hasn't been for
years. So what incentive does that afford the hoaxers? Why spend
hours each night carving out these incredible images, when there is
no publicity? Hope you get my drift. GWB

<Raine> <Tinman-BF> Q: When and how did your interest in UFOlogy
start and have you ever sighted one ?

<Graham> Thirteen years old, back in Leeds in 1967. Saw a huge
oval-shaped object, half-sixe of the full Moon travel silently above
my parents home. Watched it go over the house then ran through the
living room into the back garden (all of 2-3 seconds). Went out,
stared up and it was nowehere to be seen. I've seen several UFOs
since, none of which fell into a bracket which I could relate to in
conventional terms. GWB

<Raine> <Dan> Graham, after the celebrations in July, many
ufologists have decided to take a new approach and are looking to a
new ufology where they search for more terrestrial answers to the ufo
phenomenon. It seems many ufologists are giving up on the
extra-terrestrial hypothesis. What is your view on this?

<Graham> I've no problem with that. I researched RPVs and UAVs years
ago. The more informed a person becomes about new aviation and space
technologies, the better understanding one has when it comes to
chipping away for answers. GWB

<Raine> <SickBoy> Do you think that Nick Pope was the best the MOD
could do when it came to investigating UFOs? Or was he just there for
the public, with the real work happening behind closed doors?

<Graham> <Graham> Nick's an interesting guy. Did he see all the UFO
reports that crossed his desk, or just a select few? I'm convinced
(and suspect he now shares this view), that many reports were kept
hidden from view. He might have come across to the UFO community as
the genuine article had he chosen to resign from office before
releasing his book, but who is to say. GWB

<Raine> <jarod> ask him if the brazil conf was video'd and if so
whens it available etc

<Graham> Yes, Brasilia was video taped, and I'm sure A.J. Gevaerd
will be releasing details of how to acquire specific tapes in the
near future. I'm hoping to not only obtain some of the Chilean
footage, but persuade British TV to air it. I'm staggered that none
of this has been broadcast on news channels around the world. GWB

<Raine> <Carnado> M.Heseman states in his german ufo-mag that chile
wants to set up a satelite (called BETA) to orbit for monitoring
ufo's, any coment on that?

<Graham> I have yet to see that claim verified, but it wouldn't
surprise me. Chile and a number of nations are concerned about the
penetration of their air space by unknown objects. Remember, its the
Chilean pilots and radar confirmation of these that went some way to
establishing the investigative committee. GWB

<Raine> <Gandalf1> how do you feel about the abduction phenomena,
have you come across any evidence that makes you think it is either
REALLY happening or not AT ALL

<Graham> That's what we discussed on Central TV last night (Friday).
Abduction experiences occur throughout the world, that much we know.
I know of a couple in Equador, two native Indians, no TV no
electrical power, neither can read. Yet they report the same
experience as other abductees. Their home is four wooden poles and a
sack-cloth for a roof. GWB

<Raine> <Bigyin> any news on any new European UFO sightings?

<Graham> Shouldn't be telling you this, but the recent "fireball"
event over Greenland was no fireball or cosmic debris. A lot of
information has surfaced about three UFO landings, one on a small
island between Greenland and Canada. Hope to have more in the next
mag. GWB

<Raine> <Carnado> Did the brasilian conferene bring forward any new
info on the Mexico 6.Aug event/film?

<Graham> Yes. Please refer to my earlier answer. Also, two witnesses
were injured by the passing UFO. One suffered water on the brain and
the other, a woman, was badly scorched on her arms. GWB

<Raine> <MJ-12> ok: what advise would you give to someone looking for
a job in the ufology field?

<Graham> Keep working to improve your knowledge about the subject.
Attain journalistic credentials, PC/MAC useage etc. We employ eight
people, it's hard work but rewarding. I guess I have spent 25 years
doing this voluntarily, so have at least acquired the knowledge, but
just go out and keep informed. GWB

<Raine> <hackit> graham as a person who has been lucky enough to
have been privy to seeing thing most of us would like to have seen
for ourselfs do you personally believe that ufos actually are from
other universes/dimemsions

<Graham> I can honestly state for the record that in my opinion,
some UFOs are indeed extraterrestrial, but from whence they cometh,
who knows. I concur with Stan Friedman, let's stop being "apologist
Ufologists". Remember, we are in a majority right now of those who
believe UFOs are real. The sceptics will always be around, but they
apply one Golden Rule: "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind's
made up." You should bother to read up on the facts, as shou

<Raine> <SickBoy> What is your opinion on the hypothesis that many
UFOs are mirages, due to a temperature inversion, of astronomical
objects below the obsever's horizon? Steuart Cambell has written an
interesting book on this subject, have you read it?

<Graham> Yes, Steuart and I go back many years and enjoy numerous
radio debates on the topic. Over 400 radar tapes have been acquired
of UFO incidents. I've spoken with many RAF radar operators who have
tracked these things. They spoke of solid objects performing way
beyond anything they had hitherto seen. Remember the Belgian radar
tape from March 1990? The UFO descended from 10,000ft to less than
500ft in less than 5 seconds. We interviewed one of the Belg

<Dave_UFO> Graham you have been typing away for over an hour. Would
you like to take a rest for a few minutes. We don't want to let you
go just yet if that's ok with you.

<Graham> Hi Dave, I'm OK until 01.00 GMT, then have to call it
quits. I'm with a film crew tomorrow at 8.30am in Cheshire to
interview a pilot who saw an FT. Need some sleep beforehand. GWB

<Dave_UFO> That's fine Graham...Thank you.

<Dave_UFO> Raine: We'll carry on.

<Raine> graham could you please type in the last bit of what you
said?

<Raine> We interviewed one of the Belg

<Crow> we goto We interviewed one of the Belg

<Crow> should be one of the Belgium ??

<Graham> Sure, I wrote that we interviewed one of the Belgian AF
pilots here in the Uk who chased that UFO during March 1990.
Everything he told us is on tape (been played at our conferences and
transcripted in UFO Magazine). It was no temperature inversion. GWB

<Crow> great thanks

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> UFO Magazine must be one of the longest running
magazine's of it's type. Just how long has it been going and how long
have you been involved with it?

<Graham> It originated from a newsletter format that was produced in
the late '70s. UFO Magazine has been around since 1981, but became a
newsstand publication in the summer of 1994, after which others have
jumped on the badwagon, but that was no surprise. At least you can
still telephone us between 9.00am and 6.00pm during the week if you
want to have a chat. GWB

<Raine> <lloydy> Graham, do you think we are getting close to some
sort of anouncment on ET life, eg, ancient Mars life or primitive
Europan etc?

<Graham> Personally, I do believe that recent soundings by Dan
Goldin at NASA, the potential for ancient evidence of life on Mars
etc, is no coincidence. NASAs "Origins" programme, initiated in
December '96 by Vice President Al Gore, has to be seen in this
context. GWB

<Raine> <MJ-12> what are your thoughts of the latest rumours that
area 51 being abandoned?

<Graham> A timely question. I'm travelling to Nevada on 2 February
and will be spending some time in and around Area 51, so should have
a better idea of the current situation. In our next issue of UFO
Magazine, we have an exclusive feature on what some believe is the
new Area 51, found by a guy who took photographs (which we will
publish) before black helicopters chased him away. GWB

<Raine> <CyDoNiA> Has there been any further Human mutilations in
Brazil. And do you know what the result of the investigations into
the subject by Brazilian authorities?

<Graham> I'm not aware of any substantive new evidence suggesting
there have been any new human mutilations in Brazil, but this is a
highly sensitive issue, probably one of THE most sensitive in
Ufology. We are familiar with other cases, but that's all I can say
on the matter. GWB

<Raine> <CoolNess> Graham, with reference to my first question about
the AA, it is fairly well known that the sheriff of Roswell ( I'm
afraid I've forgot his name) looked fairly similar to the then
president Truman, and the sheriff would have a fairly valid reason to
be overseeing the autopsy, could it not be him?

<Graham> The question is valid, but I have to come back to my
initial comment: We have yet to see a solitary 16mm frame of the
original autopsy footage put in the hands of an independent analyst.
The red stop light should have been switched on at the outset, but
for reasons best known to those most closely involved with the
'footage', it was not done so. GWB

<Raine> <AlienCity> Graham, Have you ever felt you were being
directly manipulated by any 'outside forces' to put over any specific
views or opinions on ufo stories/info in your magazine?

<Raine> <Graham> Some very good questions here tonight, and this
is no exception. Yes, is my answer, but most times I can weed
these out. I'm a free spirit in this subject and because of that
am considered dangerous in some quarters, or so I have been told.
However, I've told NSA people (who have visited our offices many
time - Menwith Hill is but 4 miles away), that I'm also aware of
sensitive issues. GWB

<Raine> -AstroJoe- Please ask Graham if '95 & '96 have been
exceptional years for UFO sightings, including reports of crashes
(compared to say 15 years before that).

<Graham> 1996 produced the largest number of UFO reports in the UK
seen in 25 years. Alleged UFO crashes have also risen in frequency,
but Varginha is certainly one that I would recommend folks read
about. GWB

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<Raine> <DJFunk> Mr. Birdsall, What are your thoughts on many
peoples theory that the Human race was created by the aliens
controling the ufos that we see today and that their reason of being
here is to Cheak up on their "creations"

<Graham> I'm a great fan of Graham Hancock & Robert Bauval. Read
their material and you will discover why. We have evidence of
dinosaurs dating back millions of years, but the history of mankind
is drop in the bucket. Where are our origins? After 30+ years in
this subject, I do take the view, held by many, that we should look
in this direction for definitive answers. GWB

<Raine> <Aristotl> Mr. Birdsall, how would you describe the
relationship between some of the larger UFO groups in the UK today?
Is there much cooperation, or is the British UFOlogical community
greatly fragmented and hostile to each other?

<Graham> Over 70 Brazilian UFO organisations came together to
produce the 1st World UFO Forum. Their unity resulted in the
greatest gatherings of UFO researchers, at the largest UFO
conference in history, being the success that it was. British
Ufology has come on leaps and bounds, but fragmentation still
exists. Liaison and co- operation is the name of the game if we
are to make progress. GWB

<Raine> <Benat2> Do you think UFology should be alot more
Scientific[ie. more physics and of such involved]?

<Graham> Obviously yes. There are scientists who help us, some go
public, as was the case with Professor Lorimer at Manchester
University, who analysed material from Israel. But we need more
like him if we are to persuade the greater scientific community
to come on board. GWB

<Raine> <SickBoy> What do you think of American Computer Company's
new Roswell claims? They are a different company from the original
American Computer Corporation or ACC, do you think it is a hoax web?
Stan Friedman thinks Corso is involved.

<Graham> I don't know what to make of these claims. Hope to discover
more when I'm in the States for two weeks in February. GWB

<Raine> <volospion> What are Grahams views on the recent Shuttle
footage showing an apparent missile launch against a UFO ?

<Graham> The STS-48 shuttle footage is extremely important. Dr. Jack
Kasher's analysis is equally so. The Russian cosmonaut told me over
breakfast in Brasilia that they and the United States maintain SDI
technology, so make of that what you will. GWB

<Raine> <grey> Q: Please, give us your view on the possible
connection between the Sphinx and ancient visitors from space.

<Graham> A new book by Hancock & Bauval on this topic will be
coming out soon (don't know the title yet), but Robert Bauval
told me it will make Raiders of the Lost Ark look pale in
comparison. Can't wait myself to see what he means by that. GWB

<Raine> -UFOjoe- Do you think there is anything to predicting UFO
occurrences such as is done by T. Roy Dutton?

<Graham> I'm not too sure. I travelled to Iceland some years ago
after people all over the world "received messages" that a landing
would take place near a well-known volcano. We sat and waited and
nothing happened. A can of coke cost 5 so it was one hell of an
expensive prediction. GWB

<Raine> <DOGGI3> Sir, do Jesse Marcel Jr. talks about the whereabout
of the alleged bits and pieces of roswell incident now?

<Graham> He didn't comment about that, possibly because he was never
asked. Jesse is one of the most sincere individuals I have ever met,
so please do take that on board the next time you hear criticism of
the guy. GWB

<Raine> <SickBoy> What is your (and UFO magazine's) position on the
use of hypnotic regrssion on people who suspect they have been
abducted?

<Dave_UFO> Graham we'll take this a the last question as that magic
time has arrived.

<Graham> Provided it is undertaken by qualified individuals (and
that's a grey area in itself), I don't have a problem with the use of
hypnotic regression, accepting at the same time it is clinically
unproven in terms of its effectiveness. However, last night Budd
Hopkins told the Central TV audience that 30 per-cent of his cases
didn't involve the use of hypnotism. GWB

<Dave_UFO> Graham it may be hard for your to believe but we have
been after you for a long time so-to-speak to come on the channel as
a guest. I'm sure I speak for us all when I extend my greatful thanks
to you.

<Dave_UFO> I hope that perhaps much later in the year we can invite
you back. It has been most interesting. I for one will hopefully say
hello at the Solihull conference in February.

<Dave_UFO> Have a safe journey home.

<Dave_UFO> Graham did your wife travel with you tonight?

<Raine> Thanks alot Graham, for your time and effort it has been
greatly appreciated :)

<CoolNess> Thank you for taking the time to come and visit us here at
#ufo Graham and we hope that you will take the time to come and visit
again.

<Graham> Dave, it's been a pleasure. Can I extend my thanks to you
and your colleagues for making this interview possible, and my most
cordial best wishes to your guests. Hope to see you at Solihull,
until then, all the best and goodnight from Otley. GWB


United Kingdom News
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[UK 1]******

From: kevan.farmer@virgin.net
Organisation: Staffordshire UFO Investigation Group
Date: 14th November 1997

RAF Cosford

I have been informed from a fairly reliable source that RAF Cosford
- which is supposedly being quietly run down - has suddenly had it's
security uprated by a phenomenal amount.  This coincides with an
increased number of strange sightings including the ubiquitous black
triangles.  My informant, who has an RAF jet pilot as an
acquaintance, tells me that this pilot has suddenly clamed up on the
subject of strange sightings.  Previously he was always ready to
discuss the phenomena.  The pilot is based at RAF Cosford.  An
interesting snippet of information is that apparently RAF pilots are
not subject to the same 'gagging' when they have been based abroad.
This particular pilot has in the past been based in Saudia Arabia and
was always willing to talk about UFO's he and his colleagues had seen
over there.

[UK 2]******

Source: BBC Ceefax
Date: Thursday 11th December 1997

Cornwall (UK) plans for eclipse in 1999

Experts are gathering to talk about preventing "eclipse chaos" when
most of Cornwall is plunged into darkness in less than two years
time.

Some 500,000 people are expected to flock to Cornwall to observe the
eclipse in August 1999.

The County's emergency planning officer Steve Winston said the aim
of the meeting was to "plan out any hiccups".

The last total visible eclipse on the UK mainland was in 1927.

[UK 3]******

From: Crow & Raine
Source: West Briton newspaper
Publish Date: 11th December 1997

'Eclipse disaster' summit today

AN ECLIPSE summit meeting being held in Truro today (Thursday)
follows claims in a national newspaper that the event could be a
disaster for Cornwall

An article in The Daily Telegraph This week claimed that as the
county plunges into darkness, tourists can expect '30-mile traffic
jams, no hotel beds, over-priced fast food and mountains of
rubbish."

Steve  Winston,  Cornwall's Emergency Planning Officer, is the man
tasked with preventing a catastrophe and the co-ordinator of today's
conference. By Richard Shimell

Scientists, emergency services, environmental health officers, health
workers, planners and tourist chiefs are all expected to attend the
meeting at County Hall in an attempt to make sure Cornwall can cope.

"Our job is to think about the worst possible scenario," said Mr
Winston.

Traffic jams are inevitable as hundreds of thousands of sightseers
pour into the county, he admitted. "There is precious little we can
do about that but we need to ensure that ambulances and other
emergency vehicles can travel and that people are aware they will be
stuck in their cars for long periods of time."

Despite his caution, Mr Winston is still able to appreciate the
"poetry" of the event. "Imagine standing on a west facing cliff or
on the deck of a ship and seeing a wall of shadow travelling towards
you at 2,000km an hour," he said.

"When the shadow crosses, the area will immediately be plunged into
darkness, the birds will stop singing and yet, if you're standing on
a high point, it'll be like being under a huge umbrella of' darkness,
as 75km away there will still be light."

The sun in Cornwall will be totally covered for about two minutes on
August 11 at just past 11am, but it will be two and a half hours
from the first shadow to the return of full daylight.

European funding is being sought to employ a project manager and use
the event as a means of promoting tourism in Cornwall.

[UK 4]******

uk.ufo.nw says: Our thanks to Dave Dunworth for the below
information. Dave will be keeping us up to date with reports

Source: Dave Dunworth Director of The Greenhouse
From: Dave Dunworth <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>

Sightings of strange lights continue to plague Cornwall's South West
Peninsular

By Dave Dunworth  <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>

On Friday 17th October at 08:30am a bright,tear shaped, unidentified
flying object was spotted by a father and daughter collecting their
morning milk. They spotted what at first glance appeared to be a
conventional aircraft at an unusual angle, the strange light caught
their attention as it traveled from East to West, the father decided
to get his binoculars to take a better look. The bright light
appeared to be tear shaped and was definitely not an aircraft he saw
what appeared to be Black Lines running through the object, these
Black Lines seemed to be rotating. The object traveled in a Westerly
direction from the Irish Sea to the English Channel over the ancient
monuments and along the path of a  mystical Lay Line towards Mounts
Bay and St. Michael's Mount. The same object was also seen by a
woman from 2 miles away at Penzance who watched it travel over the
Bay towards St. Michael's Mount and disappear from view.

The local RAF Base, RNAS Culdrose, was contacted to see if they had
anything unusual on radar this proved negative so the sighting
remains another mystery as have other frequent sightings in this
area.

This type of sighting is fast becoming common place in the skies of
West Cornwall, they appear frequently over ancient monuments and
also follow the paths of Lay Lines. It is interesting to note that
theses activities are within a 20 mile radius of RNAS Culdrose the
biggest Helicopter base in Europe.

###

This is the second UFO sighting I have received in the past few weeks
from this area, The Town crier Mr. Philip Glett witnessed an object
on 13th September this year at 03:15am he was completely amazed by
his sighting, he said, " I am not prone to believing in this sort of
thing,but now Ive seen one I have to reevaluate my thinking, I have
seen a UFO and now I believe these things are Real". Mr P Gilett
Report Follows:-

The Greenhouse sightings report

Date/Time: Saturday 13th September 1997
Duration of Sighting:  20Mins 03:15 - 03:35
Location: SW Mounts Bay Penzance Cornwall
Investigator: Mr D A Dunworth (The Greenhouse DIRECTOR)

Witness: Mr Phillip Gillet
Occupation: Town Crier (Penzance Cornwall)

By Dave Dunworth  <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>

In his own words Mr Phillip Gillet Explains.........

In the early hours of Saturday morning I awoke and looked through
the window towards the sky in a SE direction. What I saw was to make
me get out of bed and take a closer look, upon investigation I saw
what appeared to be a large oval rugby ball shaped light in the night
sky, The light did not appear to be traveling in any direction but I
did notice that the object was shimmering almost like a jelly. The
light appeared to be a bright yellow/orange and had a kind of
transparency to it.

I watched this light for a good 20 minutes, what I was seeing in my
experience was not a conventional air craft or balloon,  the
position of my window looks towards the Lloyds Bank clock
tower(Easterly), this gave me a good viewing point. The visibility
was good and I could make out the plough and I think its Jupiter the
bright star we can see at the moment.

After observing the object for 20 min watching it all the time
shimmering and clearly visible I began to realize that what I was
infact seeing was a UFO, I felt excited at this prospect and was
pleased that after all this time I had actually seen one.

The light continued to glow its unmistakable golden colour and then
it suddenly vanished without a trace it did not shoot off in any
particular direction it just vanished as if someone had switched the
object off like a light.

Copyright (c)1997 The Greenhouse

[UK 5]******

From: AStarkie1@aol.com

UFO sighting over Bury, Lancashire

I thought I'd drop you guys an E-Mail after a very interesting and
unusual event that took place earlier this evening.

Approx 7.00 pm, Saturday Nov 8th. Skies were clear with some light
passing cloud. I was called out by my ten year old son and his two
friends to see something in the sky. At first I could see nothing
but stars, and expected them to be looking at a passing plane. After
a few minutes however, I could see what had excited them:-

Directly overhead appeared to be several objects moving about at
random. Nothing spectacular - they looked rather like 'moving'
stars, about the same brightness and size etc. They seemed to be very
distant. The kids were pointing out loads, but the first one I saw
was clearly moving between two 'fixed' stars. A satellite you may
suggest, maybe, but it was moving in a very strange manner, sort of
speeding-up and then slowing down to an almost standstill whilst
moving in an arc. I traced this for a short time before it vanished.
The second object was clearly moving between two stars for a short
distance before disappearing. During this time, the kids were
pointing out others, and even a neighbour joined in and saw more.

The phenomenon lasted several minutes before all objects
dissappeared.

I have often looked in the skies, but never have I seen anything
like this. I can honestly say they were not aircraft, fireworks or
meteorites. They made no sound and if they were at the distance they
seemed, speeds must have been tremendous.

Alan Starkie

[UK 6]******

Source: The Express newspaper
Date: Saturday 3 January 1998

Weekend: Travel: UK Breaks

Flying visit to Suffolk

Saucer landing spot will suit you to a tea, says Jeffrey Taylor

If you go down to the woods today, your in for a big surprise - at
least you were 17 years ago in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. As I
approached my destination on the southern edge of the plantation, I
noticed the birds had stopped singing and I could have sworn the
temperature had dropped.

When I stood on the rim of the site where Britain's most famous
flying saucer crash-landed I must admit to a slight sense of shock.
The extensively recorded incident when US Air Force personnel
experienced a close encounter with distressed aliens happened in
1980. The area shaped like a giant, er, saucer is still blackened and
desolate.

Words such as corn circles crossed my mind, but could such sour
infertility be artificially maintained for a decade or more? Even
the normally abundant bracken managed only a few wispy tendrills. I
left.

But the Sandlings, the low lying coast to the east of the A12
between Lowestoft and Felixstowe, is a spooky place.

Take Dunwich, where today just a strip of shingle separates grazing
cows from a boisterous sea. In medieval days, before this bit of the
county gave up its struggle to stay afloat and sank, it was Eastern
England's busiest port.

When the tide comes in at sunset, the ghostly bell of the drowned
parish church sounds a doleful knell across the fields. Local
fisherman "Dodger" Holmes knows it does because he's rung it a few
times himself. "Just to keep the visitors happy," the says.

But if its picture postcard you are seeking, the hamlet of
Westleton, just 95 miles and a couple of galaxies from London, has
the lot. A village green with duck pond is ringed with charmming
cottages, the Lion Inn and The Crown dispense Dickensian ambience and
the church is thatched.

Via the parish notice board visitors are cosily invited to join the
village Quilting and Bowling Clubs and press flowers with the
Women's Institute. You could die from the excitement.

Drive south along the Broads to Aldeburgh, a sea side resort with
class even before Benjamin Britten founded his international music
festival.

Across the River Alde estuary you can just make out the silhouette
of 11th century Orford Castle still standing on rising ground outside
the town. In the castle's shadow is Market Hill, Orfords central
square, is the Butley Orford Oysterage Restaurant and shop, known
universally as Pinney's, the name of the family who owned and run it.
Pinney's bivalves are fished every day at 9 am from their local beds
laid down by the Romans and if not eagerly consumed, go back to bed
at closing time. Is that fresh, or what?

Head north of Westleton past the Minsmere Bird Sanctuary, one of the
largest in Europe, to the fishing village of Walberswick where the
annual Crab Championship in August is said to be a riot.

Then a couple of miles further north is Southwold. Small and
genteel, Southwold is, oddly, the home of Adnams Brewery and boasts a
pier which is considered vulgar by the townsfolk. Equally the rows of
quaintly painted beach huts are unpopular with visitors,
particularly when they learn most are not for hire.

The good thing about Suffolk is you can find it with your eyes
closed. Once you drive under the M 25, the A12 rolls you effortlessly
along and within 90 minutes of leaving London, you are seriously
rural.

Though strenuous activities are available, such as church trails and
brass rubbing, the Sandlings is about instant relaxation. And it
works.

[UK 7]******

Source: Daily Telegraph newspaper
Publish Date: Tuesday 16th December 1997
From: jon@loserville.co.uk

Spies like US

A European Commission report warns that the United States has
developed an extensive network spying on European citizens and we
should all be worried. Simon Davies reports

A GLOBAL electronic spy network that can eavesdrop on every
telephone, email and telex communication around the world will be
officially acknowledged for the first time in a European Commission
report to be delivered this week. The report - Assessing the
Technologies of Political Control - was commissioned last year by the
Civil Liberties Committee of the European Parliament. It contains
details of a network of American-controlled intelligence stations on
British soil and around the world, that "routinely and
indiscriminately" monitor countless phone, fax and email messages.

It states: "Within Europe all email telephone and fax communications
are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security
Agency transfering all target information from the European mainland
via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in
Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill in the North York moors
in the UK."

The report confirms for the first time the existence of the secretive
ECHELON system. Until now, evidence of such astounding technology has
been patchy and anecdotal. But the report - to be discussed on
Thursday by the committee of the office of Science and Technology
Assessment in Luxembourg - confirms that the citizens of Britain and
other European states are subject to an intensity of surveillance far
in excess of that imagined by most parliaments. Its findings are
certain to excite the concern of MEPs.

"The ECHELON system forms part of the UKUSA system (see 'Cooking up a
charter for snooping') but unlike many of the electronic spy systems
developed during the Cold War, ECHELON is designed primarily for
non-military targets: governments, organizations and businesses in
virtually every country.

"The ECHELON system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large
quantities of communications and then siphoning out what is valuable
using artificial intelligence aids like MEMEX to find key words".
According to the report, ECHELON uses a number of national
dictionaries containing key words of interest to each country.

For more than a decade, former agents of US, British, Canadian and
New Zealand national security agencies have claimed that the
monitoring of electronic communications has become endemic
throughout the world. Rumours have circulated that new technologies
have been developed which have the capability to search most of the
world's telex, fax and email networks for "key words". Phone calls,
they claim, can be automatically analysed for key words.

Former signals intelligence operatives have claimed that spy bases
controlled by America have the ability to search nearly all data
communications for key words. They claim that ECHELON automatically
analyses most email messaging for "precursor" data which assists
intelligence agencies to determine targets. According to former
Canadian Security Establishment agent Mike Frost, a voice recognition
system called Oratory has been used for some years to intercept
diplomatic calls.

The driving force behind the report is Glyn Ford, Labour MEP for
Greater Manchester East. He believes that the report is crucial to
the future of civil liberties in Europe.

"In the civil liberties committee we spend a great deal of time
debating issues such as free movement, immigration and drugs.
Technology always sits at the centre of these discussions. There are
times in history when technology helps democratise, and times when it
helps centralise. This is a time of centralisation. The justice and
home affairs pillar of Europe has become more powerful without a
corresponding strengthening of civil liberties."

The report recommends a variety of measures for dealing with the
increasing power of the technologies of surveillance being used at
Menwith Hill and other centres. It bluntly advises: "The European
Parliament should reject proposals from the United States for making
private messages via the global communications network (Internet)
accessible to US intelligence agencies."

The report also urges a fundamental review of the involvement of the
American NSA (National Security Agency) in Europe, suggesting that
their activities be either scaled down, or become more open and
accountable.

Such concerns have been privately expressed by governments and MEPs
since the Cold War, but surveillance has continued to expand. US
intelligence activity in Britain has enjoyed a steady growth
throughout the past two decades. The principal motivation for this
rush of development is the US interest in commercial espionage. In
the Fifties, during the development of the "special relationship"
between America and Britain, one US institution was singled out for
special attention.

The NSA, the world's biggest and most powerful signals intelligence
organisation, received approval to set up a network of spy stations
throughout Britain. Their role was to provide military, diplomatic
and economic intelligence by intercepting communications from
throughout the Northern Hemisphere.

The NSA is one of the shadowiest of the US intelligence agencies.
Until a few years ago, it existence was a secret and its charter and
any mention of its duties are still classified. However, it does have
a Web site (www.nsa.gov:8080) in which it describes itself as being
responsible for the signals intelligence and communications security
activities of the US government.

One of its bases, Menwith Hill, was to become the biggest spy station
in the world. Its ears - known as radomes - are capable of listening
in to vast chunks of the communications spectrum throughout Europe
and the old Soviet Union. In its first decade the base sucked data
from cables and microwave links running through a nearby Post Office
tower, but the communications revolutions of the Seventies and
Eighties gave the base a capability that even its architects could
scarcely have been able to imagine. With the creation of Intelsat
and digital telecommunications, Menwith and other stations developed
the capability to eavesdrop on an extensive scale on fax, telex and
voice messages. Then, with the development of the Internet,
electronic mail and electronic commerce, the listening posts were
able to increase their monitoring capability to eavesdrop on an
unprecedented spectrum of personal and business communications. This
activity has been all but ignored by the UK Parliament. When Labour
MPs raised questions about the activities of the NSA, the Government
invoked secrecy rules. It has been the same for 40 years.

Glyn Ford hopes that his report may be the first step in a long road
to more openness. "Some democratically elected body should surely
have a right to know at some level. At the moment that's nowhere".


World News
==========

[W 1]******

Source: Teletext World News
Date: Saturday 13th December 1997

Mexican snow

Mexico: Snow has fallen in some parts of the normally arid northern
states for the first time in over 30 years.

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[W 2]******

Source: UFO Roundup - http://www.digiserve.com/ufoinfo/
From: "David Watanabe" <davew@exosci.com>
Date: 17th November 1997

Jetliners encounter over New Jersey

On Monday night, November 17, 1997, ham radio operator John N.
Gonzalez, N2IXW, picked up a UFO report while listening to radio
traffic on the air. According to a MUFON report, Gonzalez heard the
conversation between the tower at Newark, N.J. airport and Flight
262 on 118.300 MHz. Two other unidentified air crews also joined in
the conversation.

Here is a transcript:

JET #2: "Watch out! The two (UFOs) are coming up to you."

FLIGHT 262: "Well, Captain, the two up here are coming down to meet
with you."

TOWER: "Flight 262, what is your status?"

FLIGHT 262: "We have 236 souls onboard and fifty thousand (pounds)
of fuel. I think these damn things are going to hit us. We are over
Morristown just in case there is a collision with them. (pause) They
have taken off towards the northeast. And, by the way, towards the
northeast, it also looks like a meteor or space debris is coming
down."

(Editor's Note: Monday night, November 17, was the tail end of the
annual Leonid meteor shower.)

TOWER: "Do you wish to report a UFO sighting?"

FLIGHT 262: (Pause) No, we have nothing to report."

JET #2: "We heard you. I am making sure the passengers are all
right. And, no, I have nothing to report, either."

JET#3: "You guys have seen more than your share of UFOs. I know I
have."

TOWER: "Who are you? Please identify yourself." (There was no
response) "Flight 262, go to the emergency frequency. We will meet
with the both of you there."

[W 3]******

Source: United Press International
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)
Date: Wednesday 3rd December 1997

Fireball in sky being called UFO

UFO investigators from around the country are trying to determine
what was a mysterious fireball that streaked across the sky over
Chicago's southern suburbs.

The phenomenon was reported Sunday evening. Pilot Tim Janecyk says
he doesn't know what he saw as he drove near Interstate 80. He
described it as a "brilliant fireball" that descended "from the
clouds straight down." He said it was about the size of a full moon
and lit up the clouds.

Janecyk said the object was trailing smoke but was moving too slowly
to be a meteor.

Similar citings were reported near Kansas City, Mo.

[W 4]******

Source: Nasa Press Release
Date: Tuesday 2nd December 1997

NASA Looks Toward Visionary Interstellar Travel

Many people wonder when we will be able to travel to distant solar
systems as easily as envisioned in science fiction.  Discover NASA's
perspective on the prospects that exist today for achieving such
far-future visions via a new World Wide Web site called, "Warp Drive,
When?"  Explore the site at:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/warp.htm

This web site explains the challenges of interstellar travel, the
prospects and limitations of existing propulsion ideas, and the
prospects emerging from science that may one day provide the
breakthroughs needed to enable practical interstellar voyages.
Analogies to familiar science fiction are used to simplify concepts
such as "warp drive."

For a look at what NASA is doing to achieve such breakthroughs,
another web site is available about the new NASA Breakthrough
Propulsion Physics program:

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/

This modest program is taking a step-by-step approach toward
discovering the ultimate breakthroughs needed to revolutionize space
travel and enable human journeys to other star systems - credible
progress toward incredible possibilities.  This program represents
the combined efforts of individuals from various NASA centers, other
government labs, universities and industry.

[W 5]******

Source: Nasa Press Release
Date: Wednesday 26th November 1997

Tailless Fighter Flight Tests Complete

(edited for length)

The NASA/Boeing X-36 Tailless Fighter Agility Research Aircraft
successfully completed its flight research program -- demonstrating
the feasibility of future tailless fighters achieving agility levels
superior to today's best military fighter aircraft.

The project goals are to develop and demonstrate enhanced
technologies to improve the maneuverability and survivability of
future fighter aircraft.  "All of our project goals were met or
exceeded," said Mark Sumich, X-36 project manager at NASA's Ames
Research Center, Moffett Field, CA.

The 28-percent-scale X-36, built by the Boeing Phantom Works in St.
Louis, MO, is designed to fly without the traditional tail surfaces
common on most aircraft.  The X-36 is 18 feet long with a 10 foot
wingspan; three feet high; and weighs 1,270 pounds.  The aircraft is
powered by a Williams Research F112 turbofan engine that provides 700
pounds of thrust.  The aircraft is remotely controlled by a pilot in
a ground station cockpit, complete with a head-up display.  The
pilot-in-the-loop approach eliminates the need for expensive and
complex autonomous flight control systems.

[W 6]******

Source: CNN
Date: 2nd December 1997

Hawaiian estate offered for Heaven's Gate suicide site

A prospective buyer offered to swap a Hawaiian estate for the
mansion where 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult committed suicide
last spring.

The offer for an "even swap" of an Oahu estate for the
9,000-square-foot, seven- bedroom house where the UFO cultists
killed themselves, is one of at least three under consideration this
week, real estate agent Burt Sveine said.

The cult house, owned by Sam Koutchesfahani and rented to the
followers of guru Marshall Applewhite, has been valued at $1.6
million.

The mansion was refurbished after cult members, believing a
spaceship following the Hale-Bopp comet would deliver them to a
better world, poisoned themselves last March in their bunks.

Sealed bids were accepted last month. Besides the Oahu home, there
are offers from a Texan who specializes in problem properties and
from a local buyer. Prospective buyers requested anonymity.

Sveine said he and Koutchesfahani will discuss the offers this week.
Koutchesfahani may decide to keep the Mediterranean-style mansion if
the bids aren't acceptable.

[W 7]******

Source: Sightings On The Radio
URL: http://www.sightings.com/

American Computer Company Makes A Remarkable Discovery! by Joyce
Kelly

First submitted to UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL  19th December 1997

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

What started out as a short, interesting news item on the American
Computer Company INTERNET Web Site, has turned into a remarkable
story, one that is a major headache this morning for certain US
Department of Defense Top Brass...

In July 1997, American Computer Company posted a slightly humorous,
interesting story about allegations that in 1947, the Army Air Force
may have transferred a captured Alien Space Craft to Bell Labs for
commercialization, resulting in the Transistor and other major
engineering discoveries.

Now, after six months, after receipt of tens of thousands of pages
of documents, and after pursuing thousands upon thousands of leads,
ACC has found it has a bigger problem: The Army has apparently
admitted that the documents describing a downed UFO in Roswell, NM in
1947, were deliberately misdirected during the subsequent months,
along with "crash materials", as the Army spun off the US Air Force
(which was formed in November of 1947). As a result, lost in the
cracks of a postwar Military Bureaucracy, a secret initiative to
evaluate Alien Technology for military and commercial advances sprung
forth from the same spring as had been evaluating German V-2 Rockets
captured by the Army, and personnel assigned to the Manhattan Project
(which had created the Atom Bomb during World War II).

A meeting between ACC and the US Army Legislative Liaison has ACC
personnel scratching their heads in amazement: "Its a revelation.
The Army has admitted that 'certain documents and things' relating to
the Roswell and Corona crash and landing of what was probably TWO
Alien Space Craft manned by a 'neutral' group of observers trying to
determine the threat potential of the evaluation by the Army of the
mating of the Atom Bomb and the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile,
may actually HAVE been covered up, hushed up, and remains, to this
date, a fully funded project spinning off decade after decade of
engineering projects aimed at developing a defensive capability not
just geared towards human warfare, but towards the defense of our
Planet from 'invaders from another world'."

"It appears to all onlookers, that the Army is taking the possibility
of a need to be able to militarily defend the US from alien marauders
quite seriously, and has assessed the time it might take for a large
'invasion fleet' to reach earth. As a result, a very long term, super
secret project aimed at equipping the Earth to defend itself against
invasions from other worlds, has been underway, while the Army and
Air Force have spoken 'laughingly' about 'Martians' and 'Little Green
Men'."

"A super secret initiative exists to notify the Commander-in-Chief
in the event of Alien Onslaught. The justification for the enormously
profitable commercialization projects, which have been quietly
interspersed with more human advanced research efforts, is what has
been labeled 'The greatest threat to National Security that has ever
been discovered' -- ETs!! -- secretly in some Brass Hat circles
since the late 40's!!"

A spokesperson for ACC further commented: "And the Army and Air Force
would have us believe that ET Investigators, people like Phillip
Corso, Stanton Friedman, Glen Campbell, Larry Bryant, and radio
personalities who cover them, like Art Bell, Jeff Rense, and Mike
Jarmus, are unbelievable !!"

ACC has decided to quietly retrace its steps to continue its efforts
to recreate from drawings in the public sector, technologies that
may have been the object of Army and Air Force 'space defense'
interest. These recently included drawings of a unique device
recreated by ACC and a local University Physicist, which has
characteristics previously unseen in the semiconductor field. Among
the drawings from a 1947 technical artist, are pictures of a
'coherent light source' - a laser beam drawn at a time 10 years or
more before the Laser was officially invented.

[W 8]******

Source: Sightings On The Radio
URL: http://www.sightings.com/

Jack Shulman Exposes Hidden Ultra-Secret ET Military Organization

Stunning Development Revealed on Jeff's Friday Show 20th December
1997

In an EXCLUSIVE breaking story, Jack Shulman, the President of the
American Computer Company, announced on Jeff Rense's Sightings On
the Radio program, Friday, 12-19-97, that he and his associates have
discovered a heretofore ultra secret, UNKNOWN, apparent Black
Budget, deeply buried, military organization which deals with, and
may direct and operate, our UFO/ET policy.

Jeff broke into his regular program at 9:06 pm Pacific to get the
story from Shulman, who is deeply involved with what is, so far,
perhaps the biggest UFO/ET story since the landmark Roswell event(s)
50 years ago. (see "Jack Shulman And ACC Make It To CNN" and other
ACC stories).

On the show, Shulman related an amazing string of events which
culminated when he and other ACC personnel, along with
Investigator/Journalist Bob Wolf, had what amounted to a
confrontation with Air Force personnel at the Pentagon. During the
course of what was described as a rather heated encounter, Air Force
personnel are said to have disclosed accidentally, or otherwise, the
existence of this invisible military organization within the
Department of Defense THAT NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF BEFORE.

Shulman said it is called the Extraterrestrial Space Command
Directorate, or simply "E2SCD." As stated, this military group,
branch, or operational unit, officially DOES NOT EXIST in any readily
locatable government or military archive or database. Jack stated the
unit is probably referred to simply as "E2" by those in it or those
who have a need to know of its existence.

Further, Jack explained to Jeff how when he and his associates were
first going through the now famous 'laboratory notebook', which
apparently reveals the true origin of the transistor (recovered ET
technology), they observed several "E2" notations in the text. Not
having any idea what "E2" stood for at the time, Jack and his team
of scientists assumed "E2" to be some type of engineering symbol or
code. Today's revelation may have solved that mystery and could
confirm the existence of this ultra secret elite military UFO
organization far at least as long as 50 years ago.

Shulman said a thorough search of the Library of Congress and all
immediately available government data bases revealed NO DATA on the
"Extraterrestrial Electronics Space Directorate", or "E2SCD."

In a related issue, Shulman said it now appears the orginal top
secret fax that American Computer myteriously received several
months ago is now believed by Jack Shulman, at least, to have
originated from a satellite which may well belong to, and be operated
by, the secret E2 organization.

The discovery of such an ultra secret organization lends credence to
many years of suspicion and assertions by a number of researchers
such as Stanton Friedman that an organization of scientists and key
players commonly called "MJ-12" exists, and that it directs the
military's deep cover, ultra secret ET program.

This story is just beginning. Updates as available.

[W 9]******

Source: CNN
Date: 16th December 1997

More gray matter for little green men?

Most Americans think there's life on other planets

Most Americans believe there is life on other planets, and most of
those who think that way say life out there probably is more
intelligent than anything down here on Earth.

Scientists promoting the effort to detect signals from outer space
were quick to cheer these is-there-intelligent-life-elsewhere
findings from a survey by the Marist Institute for Public Opinion.

"I'm happy to hear that the mainstream and I have similar views,"
said Paul Horowitz, a professor of physics at Harvard who directs a
project that operates a 250-million-channel receiver listening for
signals from space.

"It could be that the American people are taking two and two and
coming up with four," said Brian Welch, a spokesman for the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration.

The telephone survey of 935 adults asked, "Do you think there is
intelligent life on other planets?"

Sixty percent of the respondents said yes; 40 percent said no.

Marist researchers then asked those who said yes if they thought
life on other planets was "more, less, or about as intelligent as
human life on Earth." The aliens came out ahead, with 47 percent of
those who believe in life on other plants saying they thought
extraterrestrial life was more intelligent, 13 percent said less
intelligent and 40 percent said it was about the same. By a margin
of 86 to 14, people said they thought galactic neighbors are friendly
rather than hostile.

Despite the positive expectation of otherworldly life, the survey
found Americans divided on spending for the space program.

Forty-seven percent said the government was spending too much, 43
percent said funding was about right and 10 percent said it was too
low. Asked if they thought the space program was a good investment,
45 percent said yes and 55 percent said the money would be better
spent on other programs.

The survey was conducted October 5-7, and the results had a margin
of error of 3.5 percentage points.

Broken down by age, people from 18 through 60 were strongly
supportive of the idea of life on other planets. But people older
than 60 rejected the idea by a margin of 67 to 33.

"The subject has moved a lot in just the last couple of years, said
Louis Friedman, executive director of the Planetary Society, whose
100,000 members are strong advocates of continuing research into the
possibility of life in outer space.

Horowitz said researchers are "riding along on this wave of
technological innovation." He said that his project listens on 250
million channels simultaneously. The first serious search for
signals from space was in 1960 and had just one channel, he said.

[W 10]******

Source: San Francisco Examiner
Publish Date: Monday 11th August 1997

NASA flouts Einstein, explores feasibility of interstellar journeys

Key to star treks may be found in science fiction

by
Keay Davidson - Examiner Science Writer

In a development straight out of "Star Trek," NASA is looking
seriously at the feasibility of flight to the stars.

Way-out schemes for traveling to the nearest stars are being
assessed by scientists and engineers as part of a low-profile,
micro-budget NASA program, dubbed Breakthrough Propulsion Physics.

Wormholes, warp drives and other means for interstellar flight -
long staples of science fiction - may become science fact, if the
researchers get their way.

Tuesday through Thursday, more than 80 employees of the space agency
and space-related industries will gather at NASA's Lewis Research
Center in Cleveland to hear 14 scientists and engineers discuss ways
to achieve interstellar flight.

Possibilities include the generation of so-called wormholes,
something akin to rips in the fabric of space and time. Some
physicists have speculated that a spaceship passing through a rip
might emerge in a distant part of the cosmos.

"We don't even know if these things are physically possible," said
the program's chief and sole full-time employee, aerospace engineer
Marc Millis of NASA-Lewis.

But, Millis added hopefully: "Progress is not made by conceding
defeat."

Why go to the stars? Among other things, to find habitable planets
for humanity, Millis said.

"Imagine if we could give citizens access to a whole nother planet
Earth," said Millis, 37. "Imagine if there were an uninhabited
planet suitable enough to live on."

The main barrier to interstellar flight remains Albert Einstein's
theory of relativity, which forbids travel at speeds faster than
light - 186,000 miles per second.

The nearest stars, other than the sun, are four light-years away. A
light-year is 6 trillion miles, the distance that light travels in a
year. Because of the Einsteinian limit, a spaceship would need at
least four years to reach the closest stars, Proxima Centauri and
Alpha Centauri.

Two scheduled speakers come from the Bay Area - Raymond Chiao of the
UC-Berkeley physics department and astrophysicist Bernhard Haisch of
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.'s office in Palo Alto.

Haisch is expected to discuss the possibility of space propulsion
using something called "the momentum of the quantum vacuum." Chiao
plans to discuss how laboratory experiments suggest that under
certain circumstances, photons - particles of light - appear to
travel "at an effective speed of 1.7 times the speed of light."

The program has official liaisons at a number of NASA centers around
the nation - for example, Larry Lemke at NASA's Ames Research Center
in Mountain View.

The proposed technologies "are extremely long shots," cautions one
enthusiast, John Cole. He is manager of space transportation
research at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama, which
funds the program at Lewis.

"Theories of this type have cropped up perpetually from time to
time," Cole said, "and usually wind up not leading anywhere. . . .
But if we don't look, we certainly will never find anything."

And the time may be right.

"People, particularly young people, are sort of rejecting the
claustrophobic position that we are locked in this solar system
without any chance at all of going to others," said Whitt Brantley,
chief of the advanced concepts office at NASA's Marshall Space
Flight Center in Alabama.

But not everyone at NASA is pleased by talk about star ships.

Within the space agency, "the reactions completely cover the entire
spectrum," Cole said. "There are those that believe we are about to
get NASA embarrassed with some ideas that can't possibly be
achieved.

"And there are others that are just delighted that NASA is finally
open-minded enough, and (has) enough courage - and encouragement
from the administrator (Daniel Goldin) - to pursue these things,"
Cole added.

Brantley interjected: "If you look back in history before great
discoveries were made, there were great minds trying to show they
were impossible."

How did an agency packed with conservative engineers get interested
in interstellar flight?

For one thing, NASA Administrator Goldin made the once-taboo topic
acceptable by publicly speculating about it.

Also, recent research published "in credible, peer-reviewed
(scientific) literature" has made interstellar flight seem more
feasible than it did decades ago, Millis said.

For example, the warp drive plan is based on an idea proposed by
Miguel Alcubierre, an astrophysicist from the University of Wales.
He published the method in 1994 in a little-known scientific journal
called "Classical and Quantum Gravity."

According to one theory of warp drive, one could get around
Einstein's speed limit for matter by moving the space around the
matter. The space, being non-material, could exceed the speed of
light - or so the theory implies.

Larry Diehl, director of NASA-Lewis' research and technology
directorate, acknowledged with a chuckle that on the Internet, there
has been chatter about whether "we are looking to violate the laws
of physics. The answer, of course, is "no.'

"We haven't made any large-scale commitment to funding work in this
area. . . . (Still) if we don't continue to reach out and explore, I
don't feel that we make progress," said Diehl, an aerospace engineer
who has worked for the agency for three decades.

The program's current one-year budget is $50,000 - pennies by NASA's
usual gold-plated standards.

[W 11]******

Source: CNN
Date: Tuesday 6th January 1998

Lunar Prospector blasts off

Cape Canaveral, Florida - The unmanned Lunar Prospector blasted off
on a 240,000-mile journey into space Tuesday night, beginning NASA's
first moon mission since men last set foot on the lunar surface 25
years ago.

A sleek, white Lockheed Martin Athena 2 rocket carrying the probe
lifted off at 9:28 p.m., successfully negotiating a short,
four-minute "launch window," which was all that the Earth-moon
alignment allowed.

The rocket's three stages dropped away, one after the other, in the
first six minutes after the launch, leaving the Lunar Prospector
propelled by a thrust module expected to lift it into orbit around
the moon after a 4 1/2-day flight.

"After 25 years of having not been to the moon by NASA, it certainly
feels good to be going back," said program scientist Joseph Boyce.
"I couldn't be more excited, more happy, more pleased."

The launch was to have taken place Monday night, but a
malfunctioning U.S. Air Force radar dish forced a day's delay while
technicians spent five hours fixing the problem.

The radar is one of three on the Florida coast needed to track the
rocket for safety reasons.

The launch was rescheduled for Tuesday, but with only the brief
launch window. The shifting positions of the Earth and moon meant
NASA had only four minutes in which to launch the probe and take
advantage of the most fuel-efficient trajectory.

Had there been technical or weather difficulties, NASA would have
had to wait until February 3 for the Earth and the moon to be in
favorable positions again for another try.

Searching for water

The 4-foot, 650-pound Prospector is to orbit 63 miles above the
lunar surface while it searches for ice, gas and minerals.

It is expected to focus, in particular, on the moon's south pole,
where scientists believe frozen water may have collected from the
impact of icy comets. The south pole is the only part of the moon
that remains in total darkness.

Some scientists believe there could be as much as 1 billion tons of
water ice on the moon, a theory bolstered by the findings of the
Department of Defense's Clementine spacecraft in 1994.

Radar readings taken by the craft appeared to confirm the presence
of ice, but some scientists believe that what the probe detected was
not ice at all, but simply rough patches on the steep sides of a
crater.

At $65 million, the Lunar Prospector mission is a bargain-basement
special compared to NASA's multi-billion-dollar Apollo project that
put 12 men on the moon between 1969 and 1972.

Orbiting begins Sunday

The craft is equipped with five instruments, including an electronic
divining rod that will enable it to detect the hydrogen atoms in
water. If there is water on the moon, future pioneers could break it
down and separate it into hydrogen and oxygen and make their own
rocket fuel.

The Prospector could learn within a month whether there is ice on
the surface. It will also measure the composition of the surface,
detect magnetic fields and map gravitational anomalies in the moon's
outer crust. When it runs out of fuel, which should be in about a
year, the craft will crash on the moon's surface.

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Request for information

May I make a request.  I attend a group in Staffordshire - UK, of
course - called Staffordshire UFO Investigation Group.  We are
currently trying to find out about a Roswell like incident that
occured in the early 1960's just outside Penkridge, Staffordshire.
From a fellow member we know something crashed and that there was a
lot of military activity.  Roads were blocked off by civilian police
- one whom was the father of the fellow group member.  We have heard
that it was UFO and that another part of the same craft - after
breaking up in the atmosphere - crashed in Germany.  My request is
this, Does anybody know anymore about this case?  I believe Mathew
Williams - who is a regular speaker at our group is aware of the
incident but is as much in the dark as we are.  I have tried
e-mailing a retired NATO officer who has masterminded a project
called Stargate to investigate this kind of thing. As yet I have had
no response.

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A FEARFUL SYMMETRY

A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES

By D. Lynne Bishop

A FEARFUL SYMMETRY Copyright 1995 by D. Lynne Bishop

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CHAPTER 9

Following Mother's regression, we all congregated in the office for
a debriefing session.  Mother had stepped outside, and my sister and
I spoke with the hypnotherapist concerning the block she had
encountered during her session.  Her memory had stopped at the point
where the actual confrontation with the alien entities had begun--and
it was apparent that whatever lay behind the block could not be
retrieved without causing unnecessary pain and anguish to her.

Her refusal to go beyond that protective barrier spoke volumes--and
even without the details still hidden within her memory, there was a
strong suggestion that the facts would have verified my sister's
recounting of the abduction.  The partial hints that she had dropped
throughout--of not knowing where my sister's son was, and feeling
that at some point she had been alone--were sufficient evidence of
another alien encounter.

While speaking with the hypnotherapist, my sister began elaborating
on some other fragmentary memories that had been welling up in her
conscious mind.  Several of these reflected other aspects of the UFO
phenomenon.  The following is a partial summary taken from the
post-hypnosis session transcripts:

Laura:  There are some things I've been remembering . . .

John:  And what is that?

Laura:  Okay, I'm going to tell you one thing.  I told my twin sister
that I probably went one time.  On board.  One time.

John:  What makes you think that?

Laura:  Um, I just started remembering something . . . kind of.

John:  What'd you remember?  Kind of?

Laura:  It was just very typical.  It's orangey-pink, really.  And
they laid me on the table, took my nightgown off, and said, "We want
to examine your body.  We're not going to hurt you."  And they
examined my body, and that was it.  But I was sixteen years old, and
I left home after that!

John:  You left home after that?

Laura:  Yep!

John:  Why?

Laura:  Because of that!  (Laugh).

Lynne:  It's when she went to college.

Laura:  Uh, huh.  I think it may have been that time I described
before . . . I might have gone in, but it was really fast.  There
was nothing hairy about it, or anything.  I mean, it was pretty
freaky, but . . .

John:  What triggered that, do you think?

Laura:  I told my sister about a week ago.  I said, "You know what?
I think I may have gone in."

Lynne:  You had also said that to me before, because you had the
memory of floating.

John:  What was orangey-pink, you said?

Laura:  It's lighted orangey-pink.  The room is.  I don't really
remember any architecture.

John:  When you remembered this, how did you feel?

Laura:  I felt really freaked out.

John:  You say you left home because of this?

Laura:  Uh, huh.

John:  Well, what kind of thoughts were you having?

Laura:  My thought was, when you start thinking you've been abducted
by UFO people . . . now this is me at sixteen . . . It's like, it's
time to leave home if you're starting to think this kind of weird
stuff.

John:  And that's actually your conscious reason . . . ?

Laura:  It was the motivating factor.  Yes, it really was.

John:  And then you forgot that was the reason you left?

Laura:  Yeah.  Isn't that weird?  'Course, after I went to college,
I had a good time, and forgot all about it.  I'm trying, now, to
remember consciously what their voices sound like, 'cause that way,
if it ever happens again, maybe I'll have a better . . . maybe I
won't lose so much.

Lynne:  That's what I've been hoping for . . . not to lose so much.

John:  You mean, whether their voices are high, low or medium
pitched?

Laura:  Uh, huh.  So that, if I ever hear it in my head again, I'll
know . . .

John:  What do you mean, hear it in your head?

Laura:  Well, because they don't . . . It's not like this.  You know
that.  It's not like how people talk.  I've been really trying to
remember how they said it, 'cause it's very black-and-white; very
cut-and-dried.  It's like a doctor, really.  There was no . . .
emotion.  I don't remember any mind-things.  It was just like going
to the doctor.

John:  Do you remember what they examined?

Laura:  Oh, yeah!  It was the bottom half.  And maybe they thought I
was a reject.  Said it wasn't gonna work, forget it, and that's
that.

John:  But you consciously remember at sixteen, that you're leaving
home 'cause you're having too many crazy thoughts?  And you actually
thought you'd been abducted by a UFO?

Laura:  Right.  Exactly.

John:  That's interesting.  Well, that really adds into the whole
picture.

Laura:  And I was going to tell you one other thing . . . even though
I said I was only going to tell you one thing.  Did anyone else in
the family tell you about our cat that had the animal mutilation?

John:  No, they haven't.

Laura:  Well, we had one.  You know, I went to two UFO seminars in
Eureka Springs, and then I quit going, because they always seemed to
be the same.  And you know Linda Moulton Howe?

John:  Uh, huh.

Laura:  You know, the mutilations that she tells about?  Well, I had
a cat that had one.  It was at our house, and I went and got the
family, and said, "God, you all have to come see this cat!"  We all
looked at it, and it had this weird hole.

Lynne:  The cookie-cutter hole.

John:  Any blood?

Laura:  No.  It had all boiled out, or something.  You could see all
the muscle.  It was really strange looking.  We thought it had been
struck by lightning.

John:  About what age would you have been?

Laura:  About the same age.  Young teens.

Lynne:  I think I mentioned to you (the hypnotherapist) that my
sister was very into cats, and I was very into horses.  The cat-thing
would have been the equivalent, to her, of my love of horses.

John:  Yeah.  (To my sister) . . . Can you describe, again, what you
saw when your sister was burying that thing by the tree?

Laura:  It was a light, pale-blue glow, all over her face.  All over
her body, really.

John:  Had you ever seen anything like that before?

Laura:  I don't think I'd seen that before.

John:  What else are you not telling me?

Laura:  I can't remember anything else, but I'm making an effort.
I'll make notes for you.

At this point, Mother returned to the room, and after a brief
discussion about her memory block, a short discussion continued:

John:  Did you ever tell your mom why you left home at sixteen?

Laura:  Uh, no.

John:  (Spoken to my mother) . . . Do you remember why she left home
at sixteen?

Frances:  Well, she had enough credits--why not?

Laura:  Well, this has just surfaced in the last week.  Remember that
first memory I had . . . in my first session . . . I finally
remembered I had been on board one time.  They had examined me, and
when I woke up, I had an acute panic attack.  And I thought to
myself, "You know, it's kinda time to boogie on."  I felt like if I
were going to have this type of thing go on, it was time to go live a
normal life somewhere else.  So, I went to college and had a great
time.  I was going to be a nurse . . . Can you believe that?

John:  And this is the house that was "sometimes" there, when the
policeman would go by . . .

Lynne:  In fact, Mother always used to make the comment that there
was a "protected circle" around the house.

John:  Any other family secrets?  (Laugh).

Lynne:  We also have a pet deer that visits all the time.

Frances:  Yeah.  It comes up on the porch and eats cat food and bird
seed.

Lynne:  It's a real deer.  It belongs to some people across the road.

Laura:  And Mom's seen lights going by her window . . .

Lynne:  And shadows, too.

John:  Tell me more about that.

Frances:  Oh, a couple times in the past year . . . I saw two white
globes of light zip past the windows.  The highway is east of the
house, about 400 or 500 feet away.

John:  Do you notice any electrical effects, at all?

Frances:  The lights have always been out, when I saw the globes.
But we have electrical problems all the time.  (This statement
included comments regarding fuses and transformers.)

John:  Now, what about the shadows that you've seen?

Frances:  Oh, those are the little men who run by my front door.
They're probably about four feet tall.

As we left the office, our group was somewhat subdued.  In many ways,
we had opened up further avenues of discussion, but the block Mother
had encountered had cast a pall over the proceedings.  On the drive
home, the subject returned often to her inability to break through
the block.  During the hypnotic regression, she had exhibited signs
of irritation frequently, and coupled with the blank wall she'd run
into, her mood was somber.  She berated herself for having the block,
and was puzzled about its origins.  Although we were aware that the
memory lapse had occurred at the point where the abduction would have
taken place, there seemed no point in causing her further anguish by
revealing even a partial reason for the block.  Whatever memories lay
behind that wall, it seemed best to allow them to remain hidden. She
was not pleased by our silence on the subject.

In the next few weeks, we took a brief respite from the fast pace,
deciding that a return to our regular, routine existence was in
order. The Midwest Conference on UFOs had been set for September 18 -
20, and all of my family members planned to attend.  The roster of
speakers for the convention was eyecatching, with a notable speaker
arranged on every facet of the UFO phenomenon.  Of particular
interest to me was the fact that Budd Hopkins would be attending--and
I was anxious to hear his presentation.  Noted for his research in
the field of alien abduction, this artist and author's work and
findings have been widely quoted, and are held in high esteem by many
other researchers.  The chance to hear him in person seemed a golden
opportunity, and one that I couldn't pass up.

Springfield, Missouri, is a thriving mid-western city, while still
managing to maintain a small-town friendliness.  With each visit, I
was becoming more enamored.  Having lived many years in a rural
area, the proximity of culture, entertainment--and the inevitable
shopping--was a heady brew to my senses.  I looked forward to the
Conference as an extension of that feeling.

My husband and I drove up a day early, and met with my family members
on the 18th.  My brother had decided to attend, even though he had
remained completely skeptical of the entire phenomenon throughout our
sessions.  It appeared that nothing short of being tapped on the back
by an alien was going to convince him that it wasn't all a part of
delusion, illusion, or out-and-out fabrication. My hope was that the
preponderance of evidence to the contrary would be presented here,
and that each of us would be able to accept the phenomenon,
regardless of what was causing it.

Budd Hopkins's speech was eloquent and persuasive, as he related the
story of an abduction witnessed by many, credible witnesses.
Triangulation of the site of the abduction was possible due to the
locations of these witnesses, who observed a woman floating out of a
high-rise apartment building into a waiting craft above.  During the
several years that had passed since the occurrence, many of these
witnesses had come forward on their own, to relate their memories to
Hopkins.  With each testimony added to the case, the weight of
evidence was worthy of regard as being potentially one of the most
important abductions on record.  And, the crowning element was the
fact that one of the alleged witnesses to the event was a
high-ranking political figure.  Mr. Hopkins's hope, along with
probably a good percentage of the audience that day, was that this
political personage would one day step forward and admit he had
observed the abduction.

On the final day of the Conference, I had the opportunity to meet
with a group of abductees.  Mr. Hopkins had graciously consented to
join our group for an informal discussion.  During this meeting, I
noticed a man slip into the room and take a chair.  He listened quite
avidly to the animated conversation, as each person added a thought
or conclusion to the round-table discussion.  After an interval, he
spoke also.  He related a personal tale that had nothing to do with
alien abductions, and then asked if anyone present knew who Circe
was. Having always been interested in Greek mythology, I answered
that she was a sorceress who had turned Odysseus's companions into
swine.  He smiled from his chair across the room, and then responded
by adding that no one should ever quit looking for answers.  With
this scintillating advice, he stood up and left the room.  As he
exited, I thought, "Who was that 'masked man?'"

The meeting drew to an end, and all the fears and uncertainty I'd
borne over the past months rushed in on me.  I broke into tears,
crying for my loss of innocence and feeling stranded in a world gone
mad.  Mr. Hopkins, who had been seated to my right, spontaneously
reached toward me and hugged me.  No words could have done more--his
compassionate gesture showing the bond between human beings broke
through all barriers and my healing began.

Strange happenings seemed to be the focal point of that final day.
As my husband and I prepared to leave for the long drive home, we
discovered that Air Force One would be landing momentarily.  An
advance guard had already arrived and was peremptorily taking over
the premises.  I was amused that President Bush would campaign so
close to Arkansas--and not step foot over the border.  I became very
amused when I considered what his entourage must have thought about a
seditious group of UFO buffs in the very hotel the President was
going to be staying at.  Somehow, the thought of that was more
delightful than if I could have seen a live UFO at that point. Then,
I began wondering if it was mere chance that had placed the President
there that day--or the workings of a higher authority.  It was
definitely food for thought!

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From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:25:32 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:38:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington
>             DC 1952  investigation

Hello the list, and to Michael...

>>>Hey Jack.

>>>Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
>>>Washington Fly Overs.

>>I've mentioned the Washington, DC case once or twice over the
>>years, but not the fact I lived on Harvard St. N.W.  I lived in
>>an apartment building, but the scenes from the movie were of a
>>3-storey brownstone house, which was typical for the
>>neighborhood. Funny thing, I cannot recall seeing any motion
>>picture people thereabouts, though.  It was fun seeing all the
>>familiar sights in a major movie. I felt like I was a part of the
>>whole thing. To be honest, I didn't fully appreciate the
>>ramifications of the UFO events at the time. ...But I do now.

>Grin...yes, I guess you would.  I think I would feel the same
>way.  But, like you, I would wonder how they filmed the scene
>without "seeing" a film crew in the area.  Those things are not
>usually filmed in say, five minutes.

In the movie, they show the street sign, and Harvard Street.
The indoor scenes were probably done on a sound stage in
Hollywood.

>I was an extra on the film:  "A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN," the story
>of the Women's Basball League in the 1940's during the War
>years.

>So, from your point of reflection, what do you now consider to be
>"the full ramifications," of the UFO events of the time?

Who's to say? One inconsistancy in the film is when Michael
Rennie and the young lad take a stroll from Harvard Street
to the flying saucer site. In real life, its about a 6 mile
walk. ...Nice "stroll." <G>

Ramifications? I don't really see any connection between the
movie and the events that took place. I consider myself as the
connection, since I lived in the neighborhood at the time.

>>>An interesting coincidence, indeed.  It makes one wonder if
>>>the movie was a prerequisite for "staging" those events.
>>>I know, some will say that it was not possible for our
>>>government to stage such an event at that time in our history.
>>>But, I ask, how do we know that for a fact?  It seems that
>>>there possibly were "flying disks" in operation on this
>>>planet at that time which were of "terrestrial" design and
>>>development.

>>>The public has been used as pawns in the international
>>>chess games for many years.  Who is to say this was not
>>>just one of those games?   Hmmmmmm

I can't see any connection. The events were real. The radar,
the photos of white globes, The news broadcasts; They were
all real.

>>I don't think the Washington events were anything but
>>spontaneous. Everything was so open and public. Nowadays, people
>>are afraid of being stigmatized, and are much more shy of talking
>>about UFOs.

>At the time of the fly overs, yes...however, shortly thereafter,
>the lid of secrecy clamped down and it was difficult to get any
>further information on the "incidents."

I suppose this is true, but then, I wasn't among those trying
to get more information. I wouldn't have known how or who to
contact at the time. I guess the PRESS was having a hard time
though.

>There have been several documentaries made which touched on this
>event and showed the alleged radar trackings.  Yet, we still have
>a high level of denial surrounding this event.

Those doing the denying are using the passage of time as their
best weapon. After all, how many witnesses are still around?
...Like me. <G>  It all happened.  The facts should be avail-
able at the library and newspaper archives. The Washington Post
and the now defunct Times Herald would have all this in their
files. The Herald became the property of The Washington Post,
if I recall correctly.

>>I will be happy to assist the investigation in any manner I can.
>>Any questions asked of me will have the advantage of a first
>>hand recollection.  I just hope I can remember enough to be
>>of help.

>Thanks Jack...I appreciate the offer.

I don't see how this investigation could be a very difficult
one, unless the public record has been removed from the
newspaper archives. It's a very well documented case, and
second only to Roswell in importance, in my opinion. At any
rate, it should begin at the Washington Post, I would think.

Take care,

Jack







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             Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading Dock

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:30:45 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:40:27 -0500
Subject: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading Dock

>From the "Kansas - Wichita Online", a service of The Wichita Eagle.
URL:

http://www.wichitaeagle.com/news/heymabel/index.htm

*******


Updated
SUNDAY
January 11, 1998
1:11 a.m. CST


UFO cult gathers in Gary, anointing new headquarters


By Rick Miller
Knight-Ridder News Service


GARY, Ind. -- At the end of the world, God's flying saucer will hover
over Lake Michigan to transport survivors of the nuclear holocaust to
the next dimension.

Gary is God's loading dock.

That's the belief of a Taiwanese religious cult that prayed in the
sands of Lake Street Beach in Gary on Friday, anointing the
"headquarters" from which God will rescue all remaining life on Earth.

"After the Great Tribulation happens in 1999, God's flying saucer will
carry off the survivors that come here," said the group's religious
leader, Hon-Ming Chen, speaking through interpreter and follower
Richard Liu.

The cult's 21 adults and 11 children arrived in Gary Friday after
driving two days from their home base in Garland, Texas.

"We just followed God's instructions," said the silver-haired Chen, 42.

On the beach, cult members stomped in the sand, waiving ritualistic
objects such as ornate scepters, golden crosses and ceramic dragons.
Chen threw fruits and rice into the water, periodically staring at his
open palm. Chen speaks to God through his hand, followers said.

Their religion combines aspects of Christianity, Buddhism and science
fiction. Among the group, two 9-year-old boys were said to be the
reincarnations of Jesus and Buddha.

Commonly known as the Taiwanese UFO Cult, the group is often compared
to Heaven's Gate, the cult of computer programmers who systematically
killed themselves last year to rendezvous with a UFO trailing the
Hale-Bopp comet.

Speculation on the Internet is that the Taiwanese cult, which claims to
have 150 members, could commit suicide as soon as March 31. That's when
they believe God will come to Earth in an exact replica of Chen in
order to instruct humanity by means of television of what is to come.

But Chen said he and his followers don't intend to commit suicide if
that doesn't happen.

"God tells us that suicide is never to be allowed, never permitted,"
Chen said. He, like others, wore a white cowboy hat through which
followers believe that God's spirit enters their bodies.

The Taiwanese cult started its first chapter in California in 1995,
after followers used their life savings to come to the United States.
Chen, their leader, relocated the cult last year to Garland. which he
describes as "God's office." The name, Garland, sounds like "God-land,"
he's been quoted as saying.

Chen preaches that a nuclear war in 1999 will trigger what he calls the
"Great Tribulation." Those who survive the nuclear winter will be
rescued by God's flying saucer. There will be other loading docks, but
Lake Street Beach will be the headquarters, Chen explained.

"Regardless of any kind of religious sect, any believers in God, any
life form in the American continent can survive the Great Tribulation,"
Chen said. "All those who believe in God and are willing to receive
God's salvation can be saved by God."

Toward the end of the hour-long ritual Friday, several adults and an
8-year-old girl, said to be a leader in the coming dimension, took off
their sneakers, rolled up their pant legs and waded into the lake's
36-degree water. Another part of the ritual came when members dipped
ornate scepter-like objects into the lake. The group planned to return
to Garland.

Asked if there's a spiritual connection between Garland and Gary, Liu
answered: "Nothing is a coincident," adding, "After March 31,
everything will be clear."














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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:47:20 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:01:04 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: AA FILM DANGER SIGN

>According to the  Skeptical Inquirer (July l997), John English, a
>former director of the International Aerospece Hall of Fame and a
>graphics designer, noted that the 'DANGER' sign on the wall of
>the autopsy room was a standard government-issue sign. He tracked
>the graphics design to a specific OSHA issue. It was alledgedly
>for government use in l973  9The sign).

>Can anyone verify this ?

>Yours,

>Philip Mantle.

It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
See:

http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
UFO research.

Joel Henry

*****************************************************
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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: entropy@brighid.sunflower.com [Tom Genereaux]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:11 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:50:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No


> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:15:38 -0800
> From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No
>         Accident Of Nature


> Jim Deardorff wrote to Stig:

> > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of
> >   Nature

> > I wouldn't get my hopes up that Van Flandern's conclusions will
> > carry any weight at all within scientific astronomical circles.

> <snip>

> > For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
> > that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
> > now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
> > known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
> > the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

> <snip>

> Van Flandern obviously read _Stranger in a Strange Land_. :)

> Actually, there is a legitimate theory that a tenth planet once
> existed between Mars and Jupiter but it was torn asunder by the
> combined tidal forces of these planets, not spiders from Mars
> (apologies to Dave Bowie and Bob Heinlein).

> Terry

There is also the competing hypothesis that a 10th planet *tried*
to form and didn't make it. Either is possible, I lean towards
the "failed planet" theory myself.

Tom G.




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             Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:17:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:53:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading


>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:30:45 +0100
>Subject: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading Dock

>>From the "Kansas - Wichita Online", a service of The Wichita Eagle.
>URL:

>http://www.wichitaeagle.com/news/heymabel/index.htm

>*******

>"God tells us that suicide is never to be allowed, never permitted,"
>Chen said. He, like others, wore a white cowboy hat through which
>followers believe that God's spirit enters their bodies.

Guess I'll have to stop wearing that white Stetson of mine!!!

Bob










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              Re: CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in

From: "gilles milot" <milotg@videotron.ca>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:53:57 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:58:27 -0500
Subject: Re: CANUFO: Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in


> From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca>
> Subject: [CANUFO] Quebec ufologists in the dark, out in the cold
> To: canufo@cron-2.mco.net
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:38:38 -0600 (CST)

> Just thought I'd post a note to this list regarding Quebec
> members. I just spoke with Christian Page today (Saturday). He
> and Jacques Poulet are in some of the areas hardest-hit by the
> ice storm. I was unable to reach Jacques by phone, but managed to
> reach Christian after a few tries. He reports that they are
> without heat and electricity, but do have phone service. He said
> that Jacques has been without *everything* for 5 days!

> It's a tough situation, and I told Christian that the thoughts of
> everyone on the List are with them both and their families.

Thank you Chris for your positive message, Christian and Jacques
are located in an area called  The dark triangle
(St-Hyacinthe-Granby, St-Jean sur le Richelieu) and they have
been hit by the storm very seriously. Our thoughts are with them
and all the others affected by this unusual storm. I've been
myself away from home for three days due to utilitiy shortage now
it`s back to normal but it`s nothing in comparaison to what
Christian and Jacques now endure.


thanks,
Gilles Milot
Association Qu=E9becoise d'Ufologie



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               Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:14:02 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:01:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the

While cruising through the UFOMIND site, this posting from last September
jogged my memory. I would like to know if anyone has anymore information or if
anything has come of this.

Thanks,
Rebecca

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/sep/m25-005.shtml

> Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation Of

> From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:52:06 +0200
> Fwd Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:09:50 -0400
> Subject: Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation Of

> Found on Ufomind's 'What's New' page
> http://www.ufomind.com/new/currrent
> under 'September 23' in the 'Ufomind Mailing List' section. URL for
> this item:
> http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/sep/d23-005.shtml
> ***
> Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation of Corso's Claims
> From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:57:28 -0800
> -
> From: DPinchas@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:39:07 -0400 (EDT)
> To: webmaster@ufomind.com
> Subject: Letter from Larry Bryant
> Mr. Campbell,
> Larry Bryant asked me to send you the attached letter to be posted on
> his page in ufomind.  He'd like to encourage other people to follow his
> example and write to their local U.S. attorney demanding a grand jury
> to examine the Corso claims.  Please post this file accordingly.  If
> you have any trouble with the file, please let me know.
> Thanks,

> Dan Pinchas

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             Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:26:33 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:20:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading


>  From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:30:45 +0100
>  Subject: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading Dock

>  >From the "Kansas - Wichita Online", a service of The Wichita Eagle.
>  URL:

>  http://www.wichitaeagle.com/news/heymabel/index.htm

>  *******

>  Updated
>  SUNDAY
>  January 11, 1998
>  1:11 a.m. CST

>  UFO cult gathers in Gary, anointing new headquarters


>  By Rick Miller
>  Knight-Ridder News Service


>  GARY, Ind. -- At the end of the world, God's flying saucer will hover
>  over Lake Michigan to transport survivors of the nuclear holocaust to
>  the next dimension.

During the Vietnam war and accompanying street riots something or
somebody was going come and deliver the world from all its
problems.  Never Happened.

Armageddon was going to happen in the Fall of 1975. Never
Happened.

The 70s version of Hal Lindseys book was absolute, drop dead, not
wrong that Armageddon was going to happen in 1979 all according
to Lindseys interpretation of biblical prophecy.  Never
Happened.

Although Hal has a revised version about how its all going to
take place in 1999/2000.


The *rapture* was going to happen on pick your date between 1975,
and current when all the faithful would be taken up while the
"evil people* would have to suffer through the 7 years of
tribulation blah blah.


Needless to say the faithful haven't been raptured yet and the
earth and its people are  suffering through many calamities and
tribulations.

While these people may belive that God will deliver them from
this alleged self proclaimed nuclear holocost, God did not
deliver (using the rapture/flying saucer logic) from suffering
the millions of people that were killed/injured/homeless in
Europe from WW 1 & 2, did not deliver the 18 million people
killed from the influenza plage of 1918, did not deliver the
passangers of TWA flight 800, so I find it highly unlikely that
God would deliver the world from a nuclear holocost.

<snip>

>  "After the Great Tribulation happens in 1999, God's flying saucer will
>  carry off the survivors that come here," said the group's religious
>  leader, Hon-Ming Chen, speaking through interpreter and follower
>  Richard Liu.

Does everybody remember Elizabeth clare Prophet that has the
compound north of Yellowstone park?  She was   the self
proclaimed prophetess who claimed back in either the late 70s, or
early 80s that a nuclear holocost was going to happen on a
particular date because "God told her."

Her and her followers built huge bunkers, to when the nuclear
holocost came, she and her followers would be the only ones that
survived.

Needless to say the date came and went, and last I heard the
nuclear bunkers were slowly filling with water.

<snip>
>
>  Asked if there's a spiritual connection between Garland and Gary, Liu
>  answered: "Nothing is a coincident," adding, "After March 31,
>  everything will be clear."

After March 31st is April 1st.  April Fools and the joke will be
on them........:)


Cheers,
Robert



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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:23:01 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/8/98 3:44 PM:
>  From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>  Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:12:23 -1000

>  Does Dave ever discuss the biology of this hybridization?  For,
>  in order to cross an non-terrestrial being directly with a human,
>  some very interesting DNA manipulation would have to be done. In
>  fact, for this to work at all, the alien biology would have to be
>  so close to ours that there must be a recent common ancestor....
>  possibly an early group of abductees. It is certainly difficult,
>  given the thousands of reproductive methods available right here
>  on earth, to imagine that a race of aliens just happen to have
>  the correct plumbing with which to interface with humans. I tend
>  to dismiss the entire idea for several reasons but anything is
>  possible and it leads to some interesting speculation.

It's even more complicated than one might think.

DNA carries a large number of sequences of genetic material. In
any given cell, only a small number of them are active (the ones
which are useful for that type of cell at that stage in its
development).

Some of the inactive sequences cannot, so far as we know, be
reactivated short of a mutation, while others are temporarily
blocked by the presence of various substances in the cell (this
is how cells regulate the production of materials through a
feedback mechanism which involves a hideously complex chain of
chemical reactions).

There are some special sequences, which signal where RNA can
start transcribing genetic material in the first step of creating
proteins; other sequences say where that transcription should
end.

The sequences used in terrestrial DNA code three for one for
specific amino acids, and the sequence as a whole tells the cell
in which order to assemble the amino acids to make a protein. But
there are many more possible sequences than there are proteins
used in terrestrial life. Some of the unused sequences have been
developed through evolution to signal the start and the end of a
sequence, or to act as spaces between sequences.

Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:07:25 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:47:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No


>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of
>                           Nature

>  For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
>  that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
>  now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
>  known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
>  the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

I haven't read the specific assertions which he has made, but I
suspect the main reason his contention was not accepted was that
most solar system origin theorists would find it unnecessary.

Most origin theories have no problem accounting for the asteroid
belt with the same mechanisms they use to account for the
development of planets and planetary ring systems (the asteroid
belt being essentially a solar system-sized ring system with all
of the normal characteristics of such a system).

A new theory usually has tough going even when there is a need
for a theory to explain some new evidence or some problem with
old theories' ability to explain that new evidence. But a theory
offered to explain something pretty well explained without a
compelling supporting mechanism won't be something any
professional scientist will waste much time on.

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                             Re: 'Surplus Time'

From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:45:35 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Surplus Time'

Hello List:

This is a quick overview of an event that occurred sometime
around Christmas, with a request for any relevant information.

The experience was relayed to me from a third-hand source tonight
(relative of individual), and I currently do not have any further
details. There is no obvious connection to any UFO event, except
perhaps as it relates to the inverse of "missing time". There is
also an indirect connection to UFO events, which I will explain
below.

The gentleman who had the experience starts work at about 3:00
a.m., and always has his alarm alarm clock set to 1:00 a.m. After
waking up, he habitually watches a certain 1 hour T.V. program
that always starts at that time, while he prepares himself for
work. He definitely watched the program on the day in question.
After watching it, he leaves for work shortly after 2:00 a.m.,
and generally arrives at work about 2:40 to 2:45 a.m. (about
40-45 minute drive).

On the day in question, when he arrived at work, his co-workers
asked him why he had arrived so early. When he checked the time,
it was about 1:50 a.m. He had _gained_ almost one hour of time.

The gentleman is greatly disturbed about the event, and has
double-checked everything he could think of, including the time
his clock was set at, the time the alarm was set at, and the time
of the T.V. show. The T.V. show was not repeated an hour
earlier.

The gentleman does not believe in UFO or supernatural events, and
has apparently never personally experienced such events. Unknown
to him (his wife has never mentioned this to him), his oldest
daughter (aged 11) has had repeated UFO experiences since
childhood. His other daughter (aged 5) has had possible
supernatural experiences, but not any UFO experiences that her
mother is aware of.

Because of how disturbed this gentleman is about this experience,
I was requested by the gentleman's relative to ask whether any
one on this List has heard of, or has read of any experiences in
which time is _gained_ rather than "missed".

I would appreciate any information regarding similar events,
including any references to literature sources, and will pass
these on to the gentleman's relative.

Thank you.









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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:17:08 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
>Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
>Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
>See:

>http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

>The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
>concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
>UFO research.

>Joel Henry

Joel,

Theresa has proved nothing of the sort, and she admits so.  She
has found some unusual points which need further research, but
until the first autopsy footage is released there is really
nothing we can do to support or refute her findings.

BTW, this IS legitimate UFO research.

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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:56:11 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:47:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:07:25 -0800

>>  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
>>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>>  For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
>>  that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
>>  now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
>>  known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
>>  the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

>I haven't read the specific assertions which he has made, but I
>suspect the main reason his contention was not accepted was that
>most solar system origin theorists would find it unnecessary.

>Most origin theories have no problem accounting for the asteroid
>belt with the same mechanisms they use to account for the
>development of planets and planetary ring systems (the asteroid
>belt being essentially a solar system-sized ring system with all
>of the normal characteristics of such a system).

I recall some recent article in 'Science', I think it was, where
the study indicated it would be tougher than they thought to
explain the presence of the asteroid belt.  The hypothesis had
been that Jupiter's gravity (somehow) prevented the asteroid
material from forming into a planet.  If you go to an astronomy
news group, you can get quick, orthodox answers to such
questions.

Of course, the total mass of asteroids, known plus extrapolated,
only totals up to the mass of a very small planet.  I guess the
exploded planet theory accounts for this by Jupiter and the sun
having swept up most of the missing planet's fragmented mass,
with some more perhaps having been expelled from the solar
system.

But Van Flandern goes into much of this in his book.

>A new theory usually has tough going even when there is a need
>for a theory to explain some new evidence or some problem with
>old theories' ability to explain that new evidence. But a theory
>offered to explain something pretty well explained without a
>compelling supporting mechanism won't be something any
>professional scientist will waste much time on.

Sorry I can't remember the 'Science' article that suggests it
isn't so well explained after all.  If I find the time, I'll
browse through the last 5 issues of 'Science'.










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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:05:33 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:21:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident   Of Nature
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:07:25 -0800

> >  Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:33:20 -0800 (PST)
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Nando Net: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of
> >                           Nature

> >  For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
> >  that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
> >  now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
> >  known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
> >  the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

<snipped>

> A new theory usually has tough going even when there is a need
> for a theory to explain some new evidence or some problem with
> old theories' ability to explain that new evidence. But a theory
> offered to explain something pretty well explained without a
> compelling supporting mechanism won't be something any
> professional scientist will waste much time on.

> ------
> Mark Cashman

Hi Mark,

You know I can remember back in my late teens and early twenties
when the broken up planet theory accounting for the asteroid belt
was an acceptable idea. It was around for a few years. This would
have been in the 60s [ if you can remember the 60s then you
weren't really there].

What boosted this particular scientist into the "quacky ranks"
with his fellow "professionals". BTW that last term sometimes is
just a permit some groups apply to themselves so that they can
stick their heads up the respective asses without really being to
embarrassed about it. At least around themselves. I think they
picked it up from the politicians.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Don Ledger



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                  Re: Lunar Prospector Begins Orbiting Moon

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:26:01 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:26:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Lunar Prospector Begins Orbiting Moon

Found at the site of The Nando Times. URL:

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/011198/health18_20336_noframes.
html


******


Lunar Prospector spacecraft begins orbiting moon


Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
Copyright =A91998 The Associated Press


MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 11, 1998 3:18 p.m. EST
http://www.nando.net) -- The Lunar Prospector spacecraft maneuvered
into orbit around the moon on Sunday, getting set for high-altitude
scientific study that will get under way later this week.

"Everything's working just as it had in our simulations," said Scott
Hubbard, mission manager at NASA's Ames Research Center.

The spacecraft's engine burned for 30 minutes to put the unmanned probe
in orbit. Subsequent engine firings will be conducted to position
Prospector into the polar orbit required by researchers.

Prospector carries instruments that will search from above for evidence
of frozen water at the moon's shadowy poles, as well signs of minerals
and gases. The 4-foot-long, 650-pound spacecraft was launched Jan. 6
from Florida on an Athena rocket. Its $65 million, year-long mission:
to map the moon's surface to determine its composition and its
gravitational and magnetic fields.

Scientists expect to begin collecting scientific data as soon as
Prospector settles into a 60-mile-high polar orbit sometime Tuesday.

"Within the first month or so, we expect to get an answer on whether
there are large quantities of polar ice," Hubbard said.

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration last explored the
moon in December 1972 with Apollo 17, which was manned.


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               Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:32:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952

> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:25:32 EST
>
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington
> >             DC 1952  investigation
>
> Hello the list, and to Michael...
>
> >>>Hey Jack.

If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
1952 press release describing these events.

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                 Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:11 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:04:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No


>From: entropy@brighid.sunflower.com [Tom Genereaux]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:04:11 +0000
>Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No  Accdent Of Nature

> <snip>

>> > For example, he has set forth much evidence supporting the idea
>> > that there was once a planet orbiting where asteroids predominate
>> > now, which exploded; this has been put down on the basis that no
>> > known natural mechanism for any such explosion is known.  And so
>> > the implication that ETs may have done it will receive ridicule.

>> <snip>

>> Van Flandern obviously read _Stranger in a Strange Land_. :)

>> Actually, there is a legitimate theory that a tenth planet once
>> existed between Mars and Jupiter but it was torn asunder by the
>> combined tidal forces of these planets, not spiders from Mars
>> (apologies to Dave Bowie and Bob Heinlein).

>> Terry

>There is also the competing hypothesis that a 10th planet *tried*
>to form and didn't make it. Either is possible, I lean towards
>the "failed planet" theory myself.

>Tom G.

Then of course there is the writings of Zachariah Sitchin, and his
book 'The 12th Planet'

In this book the Sumerians allege that there was a rogue planet
which had broken away from it's sun and along with it's 12 moons,
it came into our solar system in a giant elliptical orbit which
crossed the paths horizontally of our planets.  Thus on one of
these orbits, it crossed the path of the planet Tiamut, the water
planet.  As it drew closer to Tiamut, let by it's 12 moons, the
gravitational forces of such a giant planet (about the size of
Jupiter) split the planet Tiamut in half.  One half became the
"asteroid belt," and the other half spun off into space and
allegedly settled into the third orbit around our Sun...in other
words, it became the early earth.  AS the planet settled into
place, and began to cool, the waters drained into the low places
and it assumed it's present shape...

It also brought with it, it's moon, Kingu, which is our present
moon.

Well, that is the story which Sitchin says the Sumerian Cuneiform
tablets tell...He is one of only a handful of scholars who can
still read the Sumerian and Babylonian languages today.

There is also another theory as to how the artifacts may have
arisen on Mars.  It is theorised that as the Sun spits out it's
planetary system, there exists a "life belt" which each of these
planets passes through over a period of millions of years, or
longer.

It is theorized that the Earth now occupies that space which Mars
occupied during it's "life belt" period.  Thus, Life would have
arisen, mature, advanced, left the planet just as the planet was
moving out of the "life belt, or zone" and possibly migrated to
the Earth, which was just starting to move into that zone, or to
other star or planetary systems elsewhere.

Based on the development of life on the earth, it might be
possible that the artifacts on Mars are remnants of our
Ancestral heritage.

Just a thought.

REgards, Mike









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               Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:10:36 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:05:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the

>  From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:14:02 EST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Bryant's Request for Grand Jury: What's the Status?

>  While cruising through the UFOMIND site, this posting from last September
>  jogged my memory. I would like to know if anyone has anymore information or
>  if anything has come of this.

>  Thanks,
>  Rebecca

>  http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/sep/m25-005.shtml

>  > Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation Of

>  > From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>  > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:52:06 +0200
>  > Fwd Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:09:50 -0400
>  > Subject: Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation Of

>  > Found on Ufomind's 'What's New' page
>  > http://www.ufomind.com/new/currrent
>  > under 'September 23' in the 'Ufomind Mailing List' section. URL for
>  > this item:
>  > http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1997/sep/d23-005.shtml
>  > ***
>  > Bryant Requests Grand Jury Investigation of Corso's Claims
>  > From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
>  > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:57:28 -0800
>  > -
>  > From: DPinchas@aol.com
>  > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:39:07 -0400 (EDT)
>  > To: webmaster@ufomind.com
>  > Subject: Letter from Larry Bryant
>  > Mr. Campbell,
>  > Larry Bryant asked me to send you the attached letter to be posted on
>  > his page in ufomind.  He'd like to encourage other people to follow his
>  > example and write to their local U.S. attorney demanding a grand jury
>  > to examine the Corso claims.  Please post this file accordingly.  If
>  > you have any trouble with the file, please let me know.
>  > Thanks,

>  > Dan Pinchas

>  <snip>

For Dan and others

I hate to pour water on this one BUT WHAT LAWS WERE BROKEN BY
CORSO?

US attorneys are investigating drug deals, killings, mob,
embezzlement, stealing from the military.

Can you imagine what they would do with a letter
requesting a grand jury investigation of Corso.

Its called round file after writing a one paragraph response
about how busy the US attorneys office is, how under staffed, and
with budget cuts......

US attorneys generally don't mess with stuff out of books because
Anybody can write anything on paper.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:56:13 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:08:07 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> >The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
> >concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
> >UFO research.

> >Joel Henry

> Joel,

> Theresa has proved nothing of the sort, and she admits so.  She
> has found some unusual points which need further research, but
> until the first autopsy footage is released there is really
> nothing we can do to support or refute her findings.

> BTW, this IS legitimate UFO research.

> Bob

Geez Bob,

You really think after three years that Santilli is finally going to
release that film. :-)

Don








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From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:22:08 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:09:50 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 07:01:04 +0000
>  >From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  >To: updates@globalserve.net
>  >Subject: AA FILM DANGER SIGN

>  >According to the  Skeptical Inquirer (July l997), John English, a
>  >former director of the International Aerospece Hall of Fame and a
>  >graphics designer, noted that the 'DANGER' sign on the wall of
>  >the autopsy room was a standard government-issue sign. He tracked
>  >the graphics design to a specific OSHA issue. It was alledgedly
>  >for government use in l973  9The sign).

>  >Can anyone verify this ?

>  >Yours,

>  >Philip Mantle.

>  It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
>  Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
>  Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
>  See:

>  http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

>  The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
>  concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
>  UFO research.

>  Joel Henry

Joel,

Even if the film is proven 100% conclusively a hoax, people will
still want to ponder over the deep significance of it all.
With such speculative pieces of "What if the film was real.."

Cheers,
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             Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading

From: troodon@netnitco.net
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:31:53 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:11:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Taiwanese UFO Cult Anoints Gary (Ind.) Loading

You know, I live less than ten miles away from the Lake Street Beach. Which
is fine by me, because just in case these folks are right, I can hop in the
Civic and meet God's saucer.

Good fortune, safe travels

David Orr

Push the button, Frank.
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From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:04:25 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:25:49 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


<snip>

>  It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
>  Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
>  Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
>  See:

>  http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

>  The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
>  concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
>  UFO research.

I agree Joel. However, the fact that we gave this flimsy film
story the time of day for this long is ridiculous, IMO.

FWIW, the danger sign story has been around for a while. I
believe Theresa even did some first hand investigation of that as
well.

Rebecca








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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Paul Williams <paulw@escape.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:24:59 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:47:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


Errol,  here's a press release for ya.


David M. Jacobs PhD will be interviewed by Paul Williams on the
next edition of UFO Desk. Air date, January 18, 1998, one am,
over radio WBAI NY 99.5 FM.

UFO Desk, esist inside of Sidney Smiths Carrier Wave.


Paul Wms.
Producer UFO Desk
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                          UFO Bumper Stickers.....

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:51:44 -1000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:31:38 -0500
Subject: UFO Bumper Stickers.....


Humans... the other white meat.

If we aren't supposed to eat people, why are they made of meat?

So many idiots, so few comets.

Wanted: A meaningful one night relationship.

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:07:47 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>investigation

>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>investigation

> >>>Hey Jack.
>
>If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
>most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
>the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
>Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
>1952 press release describing these events.
>
>Gary Alevy

Hello The List, and hello Gary...

Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
therein will be found the most reliable of information.
I have to say this first, then if the book has something
more to offer... Well, we shall see.

Regards,

Jack








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                          Re: The Lesotho Incident

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:27:05 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:54:26 -0500
Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident

>Date: 20 Dec 97 19:43:00 GMT
>From: koch@wad.berlin.fido.de <Joachim Koch>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Lesotho Incident

>During the (hopefully) quiet Christmas Days I am going to  prepare
>another update report of recent developments surrounding the Lesotho
>Incident and would like to publish it here only.

I'm sorry, but until Herr Koch can provide me with some research
material, I'm going to have to provoke him by saying that the
entire Lesotho incident was and is a huge pile of hogwash.

I have it from a reliable source that Cynthia Hind from Zimbabwe
investigated the case, and declared it a hoax.

Once again I will repeat myself:
Despite numerous postings to various mailing lists and discussion
groups, as well as direct email to Herren Koch und Von Retyi, I
have received nothing. Zip.

What is posted at Koch's web site could just as well have been
created by myself with a scanner and image-editing software.

If I had a scanner, I'd do it, too, just to show that the
so-called "documentary proof" is garbage.

That's all I have to say....

Jakes E. Louw
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144
louwje@telkom.co.za










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                             Re: 'Surplus Time'

From: Stuart.Reid@britcoun.org
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:34:58 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:01:29 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Surplus Time'

>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:45:35 -0800
>From: John Koopmans <john.koopmans@sympatico.ca>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Surplus time

>Hello List:

>This is a quick overview of an event that occurred sometime
>around Christmas, with a request for any relevant information.

<cut>

>Because of how disturbed this gentleman is about this experience,
>I was requested by the gentleman's relative to ask whether any
>one on this List has heard of, or has read of any experiences in
>which time is _gained_ rather than "missed".


The missing time that some people experience generally tend to be
related to some sort of UFO event.

It is possible that the cause of this missing time, is not really
missing, just that it never actually happened. meaning that
somehow the person traveled forward through time for a few hours
and hence the time inbetween from when they remember to where
they are now, for them at least, never existed.

Presumably then if someone or something has the ability to travel
forward in time, the ability might also be there to travel back
in time. Causing the uncomfortable feeling of gained time.

If this person`s family has been experiencing somesort of UFO or
paranormal events then it could be directly related to those
events.

Anyway, its just a thought.

Regards

Stuart.
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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:37:35 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:07:19 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952  investigation

>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:25:32 EST

>> >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington
>> >             DC 1952  investigation

>> Hello the list, and to Michael...

>> >>>Hey Jack.

>If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
>most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
>the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
>Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
>1952 press release describing these events.

>Gary Alevy

Hey Gary...

Yes, that is a good source of information on the Washington D.C.
flyovers.  I have the book in my library as well as the black and
white movie which was produced back in the 50's, which protrayed
Ruppelt's role in, if memory serves me correctly, Project Grudge.

I guess I really need to take the time away from my hectic
schedule of daily events and review this material, now that it
has been resurrected on this list. <G>

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:10:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800


>Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
>amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
>elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
>amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
>proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
>especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
>made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
>because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
>on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
>of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
>its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

Mark,

Absolutely correct.

And a very good argument against the ETH as an explanation of
these critters and what they are doing.

If they evolved here, then the whole scenario changes, and the
likelihood that their DNA would be compatible becomes quite high,
indeed.

This planet is very old, and there are many gaps in the fossil
record.  We see the past in big disconnected chunks goverened by
chance.  Intelligent life had many opportunities to evolve prior
to our appearance.

And that does not even include other possible terrestrial
explanations such as time travel, parallel universes, etc.

I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

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               Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:26:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:13:03 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:11 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature


>There is also another theory as to how the artifacts may have
>arisen on Mars.  It is theorised that as the Sun spits out it's
>planetary system, there exists a "life belt" which each of these
>planets passes through over a period of millions of years, or
>longer.

>It is theorized that the Earth now occupies that space which Mars
>occupied during it's "life belt" period.  Thus, Life would have
>arisen, mature, advanced, left the planet just as the planet was
>moving out of the "life belt, or zone" and possibly migrated to
>the Earth, which was just starting to move into that zone, or to
>other star or planetary systems elsewhere.

>Based on the development of life on the earth, it might be
>possible that the artifacts on Mars are remnants of our
>Ancestral heritage.

>Just a thought.

>REgards, Mike

I don't think any astronomer believes that stars "spit out"
planets which then slowly drift outwards.  Celestial mechanics
just don't support such an idea.

However, we have real problems explaining what we see on Mars.
The planet shows obvious signs of large amounts of water in the
past.  Yet it does not have enough gravity to hold on to water
in such quantities today.  Unless large amounts of water were
coming in from an outside source, such as the theorized constant
bombardment of the earth by small water comets, it is hard to
envision any way in which Mars could have had so much water in the
past.

Perhaps rather than a "life belt" there is a "water belt" of
tiny comets in orbit around the sun, and that belt has moved
closer to the sun so that it no longer seeds Mars with water but
is seeding Earth instead.

I think it is clear that there is one hell of a lot we do not
know about this solar system of ours, and each new exploration
by NASA or the Russians fills in a few more pieces of the puzzle.

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:33:25 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:44:57 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> > From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:25:32 EST

 >> >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
 >> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >> >From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
 >> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

 >> Hello the list, and to Michael...

 >> >>>Hey Jack.

 >If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
 >Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
 >Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
 >Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
 >most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
 >the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
 >Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
 >1952 press release describing these events.

 >Gary Alevy

At the risk of blowing my own horn, let me point out that in
'Conspiracy of Silence' (Avon Books, 1997) I take a long look at
the Washington Nationals, including interviews I conducted with
some of the participants. Both Dewey Fournet and Al Chop provided
insights into what happened, especially on the second night. I
also interviewed tower personnel and used the unpublished data
from the Condon Committee study. (Condon's investrigator took a
couple of people to lunch and submitted a bill for about $3.50
for everyone's meal.)

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:22:03 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:21:07 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST

> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

> >> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

<snip>

> Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
> it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
> just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
> to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
> accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
> some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
> therein will be found the most reliable of information.
> I have to say this first, then if the book has something
> more to offer... Well, we shall see.

Various newspaper and magazine articles on 1952 including the
Washington, DC radar incidents can be found at

http://www.iufog.org/project1947/fig/1952a.htm

and

http://www.iufog.org/project1947/fig/1952b.htm

Some official documents from Project Blue Book (Major Fournet's
account is here) are at:

http://www.iufog.org/project1947/fig/1952c.htm

A slightly updated version of Richard Hall's Time Line for
the Washington, DC incidents can be found at:

http://www.iufog.org/project1947/fig/1952d.htm

Project 1947 contributors are transcribing certain
handwritten documents or items that will not scan well to add
to the website page that covering these incidents.

To aid both Michael Fousse and Michael Hall who is engaged
on an intensive re-examination of the Summer of 1952 some
grass roots research is suggested.  Newspapers in the small
towns and some medium sized cities escaped the  USAF's 1952
clipping service.

Generally weekly newspapers were not included in the clipping
service at all.  Like any clipping service it obviously missed
items.  It was remarkably careless in clipping items that were
continued on other pages.  In many cases only one part of a
continued newspaper article is present.

Why check in other newspapers?  Many of the targets on the
Washington, D. C. radar scopes sped off as high speed which
would have carried them far away from Washington, D. C. in
a matter of seconds or minutes.  Perhaps some of these were
seen by witnessed and published in local newspapers.  (Many
local Ground Observer Corps reports during this time also made
it to the newspapers.)  Newspapers within 100 miles of Washington,
D. C. would be prime candidates.

--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
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                          Re: The Lesotho Incident

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:49:02 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:56:18 -0500
Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident


>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:27:05 +0200
>From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFO UpDate: The Lesotho Incident

>>Date: 20 Dec 97 19:43:00 GMT
>>From: koch@wad.berlin.fido.de <Joachim Koch>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: The Lesotho Incident

>>During the (hopefully) quiet Christmas Days I am going to  prepare
>>another update report of recent developments surrounding the Lesotho
>>Incident and would like to publish it here only.

>I'm sorry, but until Herr Koch can provide me with some research
>material, I'm going to have to provoke him by saying that the
>entire Lesotho incident was and is a huge pile of hogwash.

>I have it from a reliable source that Cynthia Hind from Zimbabwe
>investigated the case, and declared it a hoax.


Hi Jakes,

I have watched how you repeatedly asked for information about the
Lesotho case and apparently what you got does not satisfy you.

Would you explain why Cynthia Hind declares the case a hoax?

Tia.





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                                 No relation

From: ParadigmRG <ParadigmRG@aol.com> [Stephen Bassett]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:18:05 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:09:12 -0500
Subject: No relation

To: List colleagues

It has come to my attention that some researchers have come under
the mistaken impression I am related to Donna Bassett.  Perfectly
understandable.

I have never met, spoken with or am related to Ms. Donna
Bassett.

Please feel to forward this post.

Stephen Bassett
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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:00:22 -1000
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:18:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800


> >Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
> >amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
> >elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
> >amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
> >proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
> >especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
> >made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
> >because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
> >on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
> >of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
> >its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

<snip>

> This planet is very old, and there are many gaps in the fossil
> record.  We see the past in big disconnected chunks goverened by
> chance.  Intelligent life had many opportunities to evolve prior
> to our appearance.

> And that does not even include other possible terrestrial
> explanations such as time travel, parallel universes, etc.

> I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
> what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
> think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
> whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

Aloha Bob...

I suppose one of the main reasons is that if a truly advanced
society evolved on earth,  how and why would they have erased all
evidence of themselves and then left for space, only to come back
in secret? It would be absolutely impossible for us (and, by
inference, 'them') to remove every bit of evidence that we had
ever been here, and what would be the point if we were leaving
en-masse?  There is no historical, biological or archeological
evidence of a previous advanced industrial society extant on
earth. I do not include pyramids and stone heads as evidence of
an advanced space-traveling civilization.

If you want to attempt the argument that we originated and
evolved on Mars and some came to earth and some went the other
direction and have now returned, you face the same problem.
Actually, you face a worse one since human DNA is related to
everything living on earth, so we have been evolving here since
the days of primordial soup.

While intelligent life MIGHT have ridden the evolutionary roller
coaster on earth before, they clearly did not develop optics,
electronics, flight, metallurgy or, so far as is known, a written
language. Yes, there are gaps in the archeological record, but
that is the point. There are gaps. Not places where there is
evidence of advanced civilizations, but places where there is
not.

In addition, there are time constraints and many other factors
that argue against this possibility. Prior to the K/T boundary,
there were very few mammals at all. 65 million years appears to
be 'just right' for our evolution to have developed to this
point, and Mars has been desolate for much longer than that.
Which, of course, is not to say that we are an advanced
civilization in comparison to anything except our own ancestors.

I do not address parallel universes because, small gaps or not,
we can trace our biological history to small, four-legged
mammals. Even further than that...we have DNA sequences that
demonstrate our relationship to plants and trees. Time travel on
the other hand, is an interesting concept.

Many physicists think time travel is a viable possibility. As far
as I understand the math (which is about as far as I can toss an
elephant), one cannot exit a wormhole except at the exact time
and place one entered it without creating an insuperable paradox.
But if 'they' are here, either through space or time, that
problem must have been resolved.

I agree that evolutionarily advanced humans traveling back
through time to us would resolve a lot of the biological problems
of abduction claims, and what seems to me the interesting anomaly
of alien creatures being able accomplish intergalactic travel
just to crash once they reach earth. Maybe the human race just
cannot learn to drive. But time travel might create moral and
ethical problems elsewhere. If the government has recovered
artifacts and bodies they would know, but if it were a time
travel scenario you could be darned sure they would never admit
that it was happening and I would not blame them. I wouldn't
either.

Hmmmmm.....Maybe some UFO investigators should be looking forward
instead of up. <grin>

I defer to Mark Cashman who, I hope, will comment.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:20:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>>It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
>>Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
>>Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
>>See:

>>http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

>>The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
>>concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
>>UFO research.

>>Joel Henry

>Joel,

>Theresa has proved nothing of the sort, and she admits so.  She
>has found some unusual points which need further research, but
>until the first autopsy footage is released there is really
>nothing we can do to support or refute her findings.

>BTW, this IS legitimate UFO research.

>Bob


Joel, Bob and LIST,

There is something we can do though.

When a proof exists, is READILY AVAILABLE and is VOLUNTARILY
WITHELD, a simple procedure would be to AVOID distributing
elements of the case until this proof is brought forward.  That
does not mean one may not study the case further, but to pretend
that "there is really nothing we can do" is a pure syllogism.

Speculation is not the subject here.  We all know that Ufology is
mainly the study of circumstancial evidence, an elaborate task to
say the least.

Hard evidence is what we are talking about.  You surely remember
the Turin Shroud affair a couple of years ago.  Speculation was
going on as scientists from major universities had studied the
Shroud and couldn't figure out how it could have been done.  To
paraphrase Bruce, "if it was an hoax, it was an elaborate one" :)
 Actual physical datation technics could not be used as too much
material of a possible Holy Relic would be destroyed.  Until a
team from |...?| came up with a precise datation method that used
only a very small amount of material.  The Shroud became a
shroud, and the Catholic Church escaped paganism and gained a
some dignity (this time).

The case of the Alien Autopsy film is quite similar.  Its
authenticity can be easily... demolished.  Proving the film is
from 1947 will not establish anything, but proving it is from
much later will SOLVE the case.

Mr. Santilli HAS REPEATIDLY PROMISED HE WOULD EMINENTLY COME
FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF THE ORIGINAL FILM BUT HAS SYSTEMATICALLY
FAILED TO DO SO.  What can be concluded from such an attitude ?

We can OJSimpsonize this case ad nauseam, but in the end (and in
the beginning I would say), it is all a matter of integrity.
This is "voluntarily Witholding Readily Available Proof", a
vWRAP.

If you don't see it Bob then, yes, "there is really nothing we
can do".

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:24:22 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800

> >Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
> >amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
> >elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
> >amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
> >proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
> >especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
> >made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
> >because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
> >on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
> >of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
> >its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

> Mark,

> Absolutely correct.

> And a very good argument against the ETH as an explanation of
> these critters and what they are doing.

> If they evolved here, then the whole scenario changes, and the
> likelihood that their DNA would be compatible becomes quite high,
> indeed.

> This planet is very old, and there are many gaps in the fossil
> record.  We see the past in big disconnected chunks goverened by
> chance.  Intelligent life had many opportunities to evolve prior
> to our appearance.

> And that does not even include other possible terrestrial
> explanations such as time travel, parallel universes, etc.

> I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
> what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
> think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
> whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

> Bob


Bob:

The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with
manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours
especially for the 1940s.

We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The
earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years older
than the Sun.

We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is
the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic
manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years
ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch
their understanding.

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                        The 8/6/97 Mexico City video

From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:27 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:26:57 -0500
Subject: The 8/6/97 Mexico City video

Greetings to the List --

I would appreciate leads to the best sources of information on
the August 6, 1997, videotape and related witness reports on this
very interesting and potentially very important case.  I would
especially appreciate hearing from witnesses and investigators who
have looked into the case on a first-hand basis.

Needless to say, I hope, confidentiality on all matters will be
scrupulously respected.

Many thanks.

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From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:30:10 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST


>>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>investigation

>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>>investigation

>>Hey Jack.

>>If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>>Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>>Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>>Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
>>most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
>>the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
>>Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
>>1952 press release describing these events.

>>Gary Alevy

>Hello The List, and hello Gary...

>Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
>it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
>just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
>to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
>accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
>some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
>therein will be found the most reliable of information.
>I have to say this first, then if the book has something
>more to offer... Well, we shall see.

>Regards,

>Jack

Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

And Jack, what gave you the idea that the newspaper clippings
from the time would be more accurate than Ruppelt's analysis of
the situation, especially since you haven't read it? Ruppelt
seemed to provide an interesting insight into the functioning of
the UFO investigation in 1952 and gives some clues about the
thinking at the higher levels. Ruppelt's work is important to
understanding the whole of the 1952 flap.

Even the report in the Condon Committee document provides clues
even when it is so obviously influenced by the mission of the
Committee.

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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:38:10 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:42:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/12/98 10:47 PM:
>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:56:11 -0800 (PST)
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>  I recall some recent article in 'Science', I think it was, where
>  the study indicated it would be tougher than they thought to
>  explain the presence of the asteroid belt.  The hypothesis had
>  been that Jupiter's gravity (somehow) prevented the asteroid
>  material from forming into a planet.  If you go to an astronomy
>  news group, you can get quick, orthodox answers to such
>  questions.

Well, the normal explanation, which is based on fairly simple
physics, says that first, Jupiter attracted most of the material
from that band once its mass went over a certain level; second,
the presence of Jupiter perturbed the planetesmals so that they
would fall into unusually inclined and eccentric orbits (thus a
lot of mass just never got close enough to collide with anything
else; and third, what are called "orbital period resonances"
tended to confine the asteroids into subrings (much like what you
see in the Rings of Saturn); and, finally, enough mass was never
present in any subring tbefore the concentrated matter had
attained in orbits that drastically reduced the chances of
further accretion.

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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:08:32 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:43:31 -0500
Subject: Re:  Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/12/98 11:21 PM:
>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:05:33 +0100
>  From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>  Hi Mark,

Hi Don!

>  You know I can remember back in my late teens and early twenties
>  when the broken up planet theory accounting for the asteroid belt
>  was an acceptable idea. It was around for a few years. This would
>  have been in the 60s [ if you can remember the 60s then you
>  weren't really there].

I checked my references, including a prominent astronomy text of
the 1960s (Baker's). The only reference I can find to a breakup
theory being taken seriously was shortly after the first asteroid
observation in the early 1800s (when Bode's Law was still
considered useful, and a planet between Mars and Jupiter was
considered essential), but by the '60s all of the origin theories
are condensation and accretion theories. In the '70s Alfven's
introduction of plasma and magnetic field considerations into the
origin problem led him to write with Arrhenius the definitive
text on origins for NASA.

Of course, there may have been some popular theories to that
effect, but I think its been a long time since any scientist
thought a planet could be destroyed by anything other than a
collision.

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:05:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:45:50 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:22:03 -0800
>From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

1952 was the year the government lied to the American people. (No
big surprise there?) General Samford, on Aug 29, 1952, at a press
conference said he thought all sightings were natural phenomena.
That's not what his office (Air Force Office of Intelligence)
told the FBI: 3% of the sightings could not be explained and some
high AF officers were considering interplanetary vehicles.

Had he admitted the 3% unexplainable and the possibility of ET
craft at the press conference the lid would have blown off.

More info on 1952 and the preceding (and following) years in "THE
UFO-FBI CONNECTION/ the REAL X-files."   If interested, contact
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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:11:26 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:35:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/13/98 12:04 AM:
>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:11 -0600
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>  In this book the Sumerians allege that there was a rogue planet
>  which had broken away from it's sun and along with it's 12 moons,
>  it came into our solar system in a giant elliptical orbit which
>  crossed the paths horizontally of our planets.  Thus on one of
>  these orbits, it crossed the path of the planet Tiamut, the water
>  planet.  As it drew closer to Tiamut, let by it's 12 moons, the
>  gravitational forces of such a giant planet (about the size of
>  Jupiter) split the planet Tiamut in half.  One half became the
>  "asteroid belt," and the other half spun off into space and
>  allegedly settled into the third orbit around our Sun...in other
>  words, it became the early earth.  AS the planet settled into
>  place, and began to cool, the waters drained into the low places
>  and it assumed it's present shape...

>  It also brought with it, it's moon, Kingu, which is our present
>  moon.

There are so many things wrong with this from the point of view
of orbital dynamics that it is difficult to know where to start.

First, let's imagine a disturbance that causes a giant planet to
be ejected from its orbit. Such a disturbance can only be caused
by the passage of a large mass - in this case, assuming the
planet to be ejected has Jovian mass, only a VERY close approach
by a super-Jovian / brown dwarf or a close approach by a star or
a high mass object such as a neutron star, could cause such a
disturbance. Unfortunately, said disturbance would certainly
cause the ejection of the rogue planet's 12 moons, and so that
part is unlikely.

But now let's look at the chances that the rogue planet enters
the solar system. You know that at one time a planetary origin
theory depended on a passing star close enough to rip a scarf of
solar material from the sun which condensed into planets. But one
of the major points which led to the rejection of that theory was
the nearly infinetesimal chance of a stellar passage sufficiently
close to cause the effect. Obviously, the chances that a rogue
planet would enter our solar system are equally remote, unless
space is full of these things, and there is no evidence that it
is or ever was. So that's unlikely.

But let's assume it does these two improbable things before
breakfast, what about the chances of it passing close enough to
tidally disrupt a planet, even one made of water? Well, the
distance required for this, known as the Roche limit, is well
defined, and is based on mass. It probably is well within a
million miles for Jupiter. Given the orbital period of giant
planets, the chances of such a close approach are... well, small.



So that's unlikely.

Then the planet splits in half, and one half breaks up into a
small number of pieces and the other half stays a unit and
settles into earth orbit. Well, let's say the split happens.
Unfortunately, the time needed for such a "earth" to settle into
a nearly circular orbit is much longer than the age of the solar
system.

And as previously mentioned with regard to the rogue planet,
the  chances that a moon would remain associated with "Tiamut"
after such a catastrophe is small.

In short, modern celestial dynamics would consider this an
unlikely candidate for the method of origin of the solar system.

Additional problems come from the isotope distribution in the
solar system, which indicates a common origin for the planets.

>  Well, that is the story which Sitchin says the Sumerian Cuneiform
>  tablets tell...He is one of only a handful of scholars who can
>  still read the Sumerian and Babylonian languages today.

Yes, but many of those scholars dispute his interpretation of the
writings.

>  There is also another theory as to how the artifacts may have
>  arisen on Mars.  It is theorised that as the Sun spits out it's
>  planetary system, there exists a "life belt" which each of these
>  planets passes through over a period of millions of years, or
>  longer.

>  It is theorized that the Earth now occupies that space which Mars
>  occupied during it's "life belt" period.  Thus, Life would have
>  arisen, mature, advanced, left the planet just as the planet was
>  moving out of the "life belt, or zone" and possibly migrated to
>  the Earth, which was just starting to move into that zone, or to
>  other star or planetary systems elsewhere.

There's no support for that in any origin theories with which I'm
familiar. The ability to support life depends on a number of
factors. Mars probably lost its ability to support life due to
its low mass, a few large impacts which reduced its atmosphere to
low pressures, and the lack of a magnetic field, which exposed
the surface to high levels of UV.

It is still not clear if Mars ever had standing bodies of water
that would have lasted long enough to originate life, but it
seems much less likely that Mars could have evolved a complex
enough ecosystem to have developed an intelligent life form, and
to show no trace of that ecosystem today.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:25:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:36:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:56:13 +0100
>From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>Geez Bob,


>You really think after three years that Santilli is finally going to
>release that film. :-)

>Don


No.

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                    Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: "Diana Hopkins" <DDBH@classic.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 15:14:02 UT
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:45:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation


>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC
>  1952  investigation


>>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:45:17 EST


>>>Hey Jack.

>>>Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
>>>Washington Fly Overs.

>>>I have studied that case for over 30 years, and I am finally
>>>glad to have someone come forward who was actually there when
>>>they were taking place.

>>>In all the years we have posted in FIDO UFO, I have never
>>>heard you tell that story.  That doesn't mean that you
>>>haven't.

[snipped]


Ah, seems like someone is trying to jump on our bandwagon - you
may want to contact this Mike and see if he wants to work with us
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                            Brave Frances Barwood

From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:36:13 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:20:34 -0500
Subject: Brave Frances Barwood

Found at :
http://www.azcentral.com/news/0113barwood.shtml

Barwood To Base Run On UFO Issue

Barwood pushes UFOs in bid for state office

By Chris Fiscus
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 13, 1998

When she pressed for an investigation into an apparent UFO
sightingover Phoenix last March, then-Councilwoman Frances Emma
Barwood drew her share of ridicule.

But Barwood will announce today that she is basing her run for
Arizona secretary of state in part on a pledge to get answers to
such seemingly paranormal events.

Her campaign will mark "the first time a viable candidate for
high public office, state or national" has formally raised
questions about the federal government's failure to investigate
the V-shaped formation of lights that passed over Phoenix last
March, and other reports of unidentified flying objects, she
said. The sightings sparked hundreds of calls to Luke Air Force
Base and the media.

"I would have run anyway," Barwood said Monday, "but this made me
realize we have a problem with the government's lack of
openness."

As secretary of state, she added, she would be in the position to
ask for investigations into incidents like the one March 13
involving the lights.

"What was the most astonishing thing to me was finding out all
the times in the past people did ask, and all they got was
ridicule," she said.

She will announce her candidacy at a noon press conference at the
downtown Hyatt Regency hotel.

Her campaign team includes a Maryland man who specializes in
dealing with unexplained events and incidents where the
government reputedly ignored citizen inquiries, she said.

"This is a public safety issue of state and national significance
which should not, in good conscience, be ignored by a responsible
candidate for high office," Barwood wrote in a statement.

Another campaign manager will be on hand to help her deal with
state issues.

Barwood grabbed international attention and was a regular on
national television and radio shows when, as a city councilwoman,
she called for an investigation into the lights.

UFO believers lauded her when she asked Phoenix to look into the
sightings. When the city scoffed, she asked Sen. John McCain,
R-Ariz., and the Air Force to investigate. The questions went
unanswered, she said, even though there were "thousands of
sightings of unidentified craft" in state and national airspace.

"Government has gotten so closed to the people it's become a
'them against us' attitude . . . Nobody trusts government,"
Barwood said Monday.

When Barwood was on the City Council, though, the city approved a
silicon-wafer plant for northeast Phoenix. That led to a recall,
protests and legal challenges from furious neighbors who said the
city rushed the plan through the process and duped the public.

Barwood survived the recall and finished her term in office last
month, but did not run for re-election.

Several explanations have been offered for the lights. A Maryland
Air National Guard unit has said several of its planes dropped
flares while returning from a gunnery range in southern Arizona,
which might account for the sighting.

"I really feel (secretary of state) is an office that is a
pivotal point in state government," she said. "We need to get
back to what's really important, like our constitutional rights
and our state rights. We have to have someone who's willing to
stick her neck out to protect our freedoms."

Former Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Betsey
Bayless is the secretary of state, after Jane Hull moved into her
new job as governor. Bayless is finishing Hull's term, which ends
next January. If she wants to keep the job, Bayless will have to
run.








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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:49:51 -1000
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:10:51 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book



> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400
> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> > >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> > >Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800

> > >Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
> > >amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
> > >elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
> > >amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
> > >proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
> > >especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
> > >made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities.

<snip>

> > I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
> > what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
> > think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
> > whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

> > Bob


> Bob:

> The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with
> manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours
> especially for the 1940s.

> We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The
> earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years older
> than the Sun.

> We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is
> the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic
> manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years
> ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch
> their understanding.

> Stan Friedman

Aloha Stan....

While I hesitate to disagree with you (especially since I just
ordered your new book today and I don't want to risk not getting
an autographed copy), we cannot be an ET colony unless everything
living on earth was planted here.  All living terrestrial
entities are related through DNA, or at least the chemistry that
evokes DNA/RNA responses, and those responses evolved within very
specific terrestrial conditions. Even supposing that some ETs
might have modified the DNA of a group of chimpanzees by 2 or 3
percent in order to provide an evolutionary 'jump start', this
seems an unnecessary complication, and the difficulties are
absolutely staggering.

'They' may well be here, and the following possibilities come to
mind: As recreation (like visiting the San Diego wild animal
park); as an educational experience; as part of a training
program, or as colonists. Or the earth might be a navigional
point between other destinations.  Whatever they might or might
not be doing we do not seem to have a choice. According to the
stories, we are certainly not being treated as long lost
relatives, so the benign 'space brother' theory does not seem to
work. We like to believe that the government is in collusion with
them, but the government might have nothing but a crashed ship
and a bunch of questions. If I ran the government, I wouldn't
want that to get out until I figured out what to do about it. And
they might never figure it out.

Tom Burnett





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              Criteria for 'Good' info [was: ... Washington DC

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:44:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:25:26 -0500
Subject: Criteria for 'Good' info [was: ... Washington DC

>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST


>>>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>>>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>>investigation

>>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>>>investigation

>>>Hey Jack.

>>>If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>>>Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>>>Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>>>Merry-go-round".

<snip>

>Even the report in the Condon Committee document provides clues
>even when it is so obviously influenced by the mission of the
>Committee.

>KRandle

Hello Kevin,

Question from an amateur. How do you (or any UFO researcher) go
about determining which aspects of a particular report are
'tainted' (for lack of a better word) by individuals with
agendas, or "committees?"

On the flip side, what criteria do you use to determine what
parts (may) represent -good- or usable information. It just seems
to me that an awful lot of random individual interpretation can
creep into such evaluations unless one has 'established criteria'
by which they measure the value of data. I was wondering if you
have a 'system' or something that you use to help you evaluate
material that you encounter in your research. I'm sure a lot of
the aspiring "UFO Detectives" on this list would learn alot from
your answer and benefit from your years of experience.

Thanx, just curious. Best of luck to you and Mr Estes with your
new book.

Regards,

John Velez





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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:38:22 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:35:56 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>  Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500


>  >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0500
>  >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  >>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:47:46 -0600 [Joel Henry]
>  >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >>From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
>  >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  >>It would seem that the 'Danger' sign is a moot issue since
>  >>Theresa Carlson (Minnesota MUFON FI) has conclusively proven the
>  >>Alien Autopsy film a hoax in her treatise "Shadows of Doubt".
>  >>See:

>  >>http://www.uforeport.com/shadow.html

>  >>The video she put together is even more damning. As far as I'm
>  >>concerned it's time to chuck this hoax and get on with legitimate
>  >>UFO research.

>  >>Joel Henry

>  >Joel,

>  >Theresa has proved nothing of the sort, and she admits so.  She
>  >has found some unusual points which need further research, but
>  >until the first autopsy footage is released there is really
>  >nothing we can do to support or refute her findings.

>  >BTW, this IS legitimate UFO research.

>  >Bob

<brevity snip>

>  Mr. Santilli HAS REPEATIDLY PROMISED HE WOULD EMINENTLY COME
>  FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF THE ORIGINAL FILM BUT HAS SYSTEMATICALLY
>  FAILED TO DO SO.  What can be concluded from such an attitude ?

Serge has hit the "essence" of the fraudtopsy film on the head
with this comment.

No matter how the various people talk about and defend the film,
this is one thing they can't explain or defend.

I suspect that all the folks who got on the fraudtopsy film
bandwagon (and continue to defend it to the death) will *never*
admit that they might have made a mistake by putting their faith,
trust and reputation on the line for Scamtilli.

Cheers,
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                          Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:48:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:37:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...

Regarding...

>From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Re: Greer Briefed CIA ...
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:17:48 -0800

>a transcript of the April 19, 1996 "Dateline NBC" features Dennis
>Murphy interviewing Edgar Mitchell:

>Below is my transcription a small segment of an Art Bell
>interview with Edgar Mitchell.


Keith,

Thanks for the interesting transcripts. These would seem to
confirm that Dr Mitchell supports the possibility of a 'cover
up', based on discussions with ostensibly credible 'senior
figures'.

I think we all appreciate there have been such indications and
it's a question of whether they actually have any substance. Many
such 'smoking guns' are generally accepted, rarely by all of
course, as either otherwise explained or of dubious provenance.

Dr Mitchell doesn't provide specific details here and I wonder
which claims and sources have persuaded him.



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                    Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:10:50 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:45:08 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/13/98 9:13 AM:
>  Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:26:49 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>  However, we have real problems explaining what we see on Mars.
>  The planet shows obvious signs of large amounts of water in the
>  past.  Yet it does not have enough gravity to hold on to water
>  in such quantities today.  Unless large amounts of water were
>  coming in from an outside source, such as the theorized constant
>  bombardment of the earth by small water comets, it is hard to
>  envision any way in which Mars could have had so much water in the
>  past.

Actually, Bob, I think most Mars theorists would assert that it
isn't gravity that relates to the water loss, but the low
temperatures which forced it into a thick layer of permafrost.

In any case, a major source of water in planetary atmospheres
seems to be volcanism, and Mars sure has / had plenty of that.

No question, though, that Mars was bombarded quite heavily in the
late heavy bombardment period of planetary accretion. Certainly
it is likely that some of the impactors were comets.

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                      UFOR: 'Meteorite' lands in Denver

From: d005734c@dc.seflin.org, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:05:52 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:11:21 -0500
Subject: UFOR: 'Meteorite' lands in Denver

The sender has forgotten to give the exact day in January on
which this occurred, but from another source I know it to be the
11th, cf. the Skywatch item that follows this one.

Stig


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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:30:28 -0500
From: skywatch_ok@MSN.COM
To: Multiple recipients of list OVNIS <OVNIS@SERVICES.WEB.AOL.COM>
Subject: Denver Light Flashes


From: Rxreq <Rxreq@aol.com>

On Sunday, Jan. at 2:25 a.m., 50,000-watt newsradio KOA in
Denver, Colorado, is reporting that a suspected meteorite crashed
in the Church parking lot nearby a major city intersection at
approximately 12:30 a.m.

The station reports that witnesses flooded the station with calls
regarding sighting of a "strange light" which reportedly "broke
apart" and caused an "explosion" on impact that was felt and
heard as far south as Pueblo. At 2:30 a.m., however, a KOA update
reported that inspectors at the scene had not found evidence of a
meteorite at the scene. Perhaps at daybreak, evidence of the
impact will be located, but at this moment, the celestial event
has not been proven conclusively to be a natural phenomenon. More
details as they become available.........


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:47:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Francisco Lopez <d005734c@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: UFOR: "METEORITE" (?) LANDS IN DENVER! (fwd)


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To: "Skywatch" <Skywatch@Phoenix.net>
Subject: Denver Light Flashes
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:33:43 -0700

Bob Hetsko

"The Universe is not only as strange as we can
imagine, it is stranger then we can imagine."

This morning, I was listening to the radio, and heard there were
light flashes and rumblings from the sky. If anyone has any info
on this, please post to the group. As cold as it was, I doubt it
was lightning and thunder. I'll check the local tv station
pages.

Bob Hetsko


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                     U.S. In Search Of Water On The Moon

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:12:54 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:14:08 -0500
Subject: U.S. In Search Of Water On The Moon

>From The Nando Times. URL:

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/011398/health12_4024_noframes.h
tml

*******


U.S. goes in search of water on the moon

Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
Copyright =A91998 Reuters


MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 13, 1998 8:13 p.m. EST
http://www.nando.net) - After a flawless trip into orbit around the
moon, the U.S. space probe Lunar Prospector has started scouring the
lunar surface for possible reserves of water which could prove
invaluable for any future human moon colonies.

Mission control scientists said on Tuesday that the small robot
explorer, NASA's first moonshot since the Apollo 17 astronauts walked
on the lunar surface in 1972, had established a preliminary mapping
orbit after a 240,000-mile journey from Cape Canaveral in Florida.

"We are taking a great step toward rediscovering the moon," Prospector
mission manager Scott Hubbard told a news conference at NASA's Ames
Research Center.

The Prospector probe was launched six days ago and took four and a half
days to travel close to the moon.

"It has been a joy to fly this spacecraft," said Alan Binder, the
mission's principal investigator. "It really is child's play."

After three "orbital insertion burns," the the tiny 4-foot, 650 pound
spacecraft eased into an orbit some 60 miles above the moon's surface.
A final "tweak" burn of the craft's thrusters will be completed on
Thursday to bring it into its final mapping route.

The five scientific instruments mounted on the drum-like probe were all
running and streams of data were already pouring in "far better than
expected," Binder said.

Popular interest has focused on Prospector's neutron spectrometer,
which will scan the surface for signs of hydrogen to confirm theories
that the moon's polar regions could contain as much as one billion tons
of water ice.

"If water ice is present in the quantity some people have predicted, we
may know that in the first month of the mission," Hubbard said.

Scientists have speculated that frozen water from icy comets may have
accumulated within polar craters on the moon that are permanently
shaded from the sun.

The existence of water ice on the moon could prove immensely useful for
any future human colonies, with astronauts separating its components
for use as rocket fuel. It was unclear whether such ice would be a
potential source of drinking water.

But Prospector's other missions are also important. Among them are
gamma ray analysis to determine concentrations of elements such as
uranium and iron on the lunar surface, and an alpha particle
spectrometer which will be used to look for indications of volcanic and
tectonic activity.

With a price tag of $63 million, the Lunar Prospector is a modest
successor to the multibillion-dollar Apollo project, which put 12 men
on the surface of the moon from 1969 to 1972.

Budget cuts in the early 1970s forced NASA to abandon lunar exploration
and the U.S. space agency has concentrated its efforts on building the
space shuttle and sending unmanned probes to Mars and the outer planets.

Hubbard said Prospector's performance so far showed that NASA's new aim
of "faster, better, cheaper" was the right way for man to further
explore space.

"This is probably the most cost-effective space science mission ever
conducted," Hubbard said. "We hope that we will be able to apply some
of these lessons to future missions."

One minor controversy has involved a non-scientific payload aboard
Prospector: one ounce (28 grams) of the ashes of planetary scientist
Gene Shoemaker, who died last year.

Shoemaker, his wife, Carolyn, and amateur astronomer David Levy
discovered the broken comet that crashed into Jupiter in 1994. He was
also involved in the unmanned Ranger missions that paved the way for
the Apollo moon landings.

Navajo officials voiced objections to the inclusion of human remains on
Prospector, which is designed finally to descend and crash on the
moon's surface when its mission is completed. The Navajo said human
bodies should not be left on the moon, which they regard as sacred
ground.

NASA officials have apologized for any misunderstanding over the ashes,
which they said were being taken to the moon as a tribute to Shoemaker
and intended to cause insult to anyone.

By ANDREW QUINN, Reuters


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                     Members Of German UFO Cult Released

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:16:22 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:15:33 -0500
Subject: Members Of German UFO Cult Released

From the Las Vegas Sun. URL:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/1998/jan/13/011300257.html

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Today: January 13, 1998 at 15:22:05 PST


German Cult Members Released

ASSOCIATED PRESS


SANTA CRUZ DE TENERIFE, Canary Islands (AP) -- Nineteen Germans linked
to a suspected doomsday religious sect were released without charge
Tuesday, a day after being arrested for allegedly planning to take part
in a mass suicide.

The 19, including three children, were taken into custody late Monday
after police searched a house owned by their jailed leader, said Mari
Paz Bernal, a spokeswoman for the Interior Ministry.

The leader, Heide Fittkau-Garthe, was arrested last week and accused of
an earlier plot to lead her 31 followers in a mass suicide. According
to police, the original scheme called for the followers to kill
themselves on Jan. 8 -- the day they reportedly believed the world
would end.

Fittkau-Garthe has denied the claims of a group plot to take their
lives.

The followers, police said, believed a space ship would come and pick
up their bodies at Teide mountain on Tenerife, one of seven islands in
the Canary archipelago, located off the northwest African coast.

Police said they were tipped to a second suicide plan by the mother of
one of the cult members.

Bernal refused to say whether the release of the 19 meant that
authorities no longer believed the second suicide plan existed. Police
said they would continue to monitor the Germans, who were staying in
Fittkau-Garthe's house, but they were free to leave the country.

The other 12 cult members, who were in Germany, were not arrested, she
said.

The sect, whose name was not released, has been linked to the Order of
the Solar Temple, whose followers have carried out mass suicides in
Canada, France and Switzerland.

The attorney for Fittkau-Garthe, a 57-year-old German psychologist
currently charged with attempted murder and inducement to suicide,
insists the allegations are unfounded. Enrique Porres says his client
administers "spiritual therapy" that has nothing to do with mass
suicide.

During their search of Fittkau-Garthe's home, police discovered a
child's drawing of a UFO and then concocted the space ship story, he
says.


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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:19:38 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/13/98 5:18 PM:
>  From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>  To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:00:22 -1000
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>  Aloha Bob...

(large sections of stuff I agree with snipped)

>  Many physicists think time travel is a viable possibility. As far
>  as I understand the math (which is about as far as I can toss an
>  elephant), one cannot exit a wormhole except at the exact time
>  and place one entered it without creating an insuperable paradox.
>  But if 'they' are here, either through space or time, that
>  problem must have been resolved.

>  I agree that evolutionarily advanced humans traveling back
>  through time to us would resolve a lot of the biological problems
>  of abduction claims, and what seems to me the interesting anomaly
>  of alien creatures being able accomplish intergalactic travel
>  just to crash once they reach earth. Maybe the human race just
>  cannot learn to drive. But time travel might create moral and
>  ethical problems elsewhere. If the government has recovered
>  artifacts and bodies they would know, but if it were a time
>  travel scenario you could be darned sure they would never admit
>  that it was happening and I would not blame them. I wouldn't
>  either.

Actually, I have never really understood the idea that simply
traveling in time causes a paradox. A real paradox would require
a time traveler to do something that prevents them from traveling
in time to perform that action. But we don't know how resilient
the structure of events might be - most scientists seem to assume
it has a positive feeback response to changes made by future
entities traveling into the past, but I suspect that some events
may have large effects and others may die out.

Certainly there are things about UFOs which make the time- travel
hypothesis appealing. Elusiveness, for instance, would seem to be
a requirement for time travelers.

However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several
races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents
point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species.
That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the
TTH.

Yes, the biological assertions of abductees are a problem, but
only if we believe them. And there are a number of things to
worry about:

1) Distinguishing between a real abduction and a false one is not
something commonly or easily done. Many likely false abduction
cases contaminate the data.

2) Abductees typically claim to be in an abnormal psychological
state, which does not lead one to firm confidence in the content
of their memory, no matter how sincere their belief in the events
they report or which are revealed through hypnosis.

3) Important parts of abduction data have been revealed under
hypnosis. Even qualified psychological researchers remain
uncertain as to the nature of the hypnotic state and the degree
to which confabulation occurs. Obviously, this is using an
abnormal mental state to recall another abnormal mental state at
the best interpretation possible.

4) Even discarding all of the above, the abductors may be lying,
joking, performing a strange act of theatre, using mind control
to determine the mental and emotional parameters of humans and
their relationship to their offspring, or any number of other
possibilities open to the fertile mind of the science-fiction
speculator. In short, we do not know that what the abductees
relate as a common story is a true representation of reality.
This means we do not know if human and alien biology is, in fact,
compatible in any way.

I remain concerned about a number of features which reflect
dubiously on the reality of at least some abductions.

1) Lack of allergic reactions.

2) Lack of biological infection.

3) Lack of recuperative time - excessively rapid healing after
massively intrusive procedures.

4) Lack of artifacts despite the continued apparent implantation
of humans with alien technology.

5) Presence of some clearly non-physical abductions.

>  Hmmmmm.....Maybe some UFO investigators should be looking forward
>  instead of up. <grin>
>
>  I defer to Mark Cashman who, I hope, will comment.

At this point, I don't see a need for the TTH. On a plausibility
scale, I suspect we have, in order:

ETH - we know life exists in the universe, that intelligent life
exists in the universe, and that it can travel in space: we are
that life. We know that there is significant evidence that UFOs
are physical and operate according to the laws of physics as we
know them, despite their unusual appearance and extreme
performance; in fact, UFOs appear to be machines, crewed by
non-human beings. UFOs come from the sky and return to the sky in
a significant proportion of cases. The obvious suggestion is that
UFOs are from another world somewhere in space.

NPH (Non-physical hypotheses such as Earthlights) - we know that
the human mind can be influenced by magnetic and electrical
fields, we know plasmas can exist. Unfortunately, NPH cannot
easily deal with the clearly physical aspects of the phenomenon,
and essentially would need to be classed with the
hoax/hallucination/misperception hypotheses in its inability to
explain important UFO data.

TTH - This is hard to distinguish from ETH, especially if one
wants to assume alien time travelers in alliance with humans, or
that evolved humans would be quite different from present humans
in appearance. However, time travelers would presumably not need
to engage in the level of observation or in the types of apparent
observation performed by UFOs (i.e. studying aircraft again and
again, following and stalling cars), because, having a heritage
based in our time, they should already know about these artifacts
and also about human behavior. Nonetheless, it is possible to
hypothesize any number of reasons to violate these expectations.
But it is a more complex hypothesis than ETH and requires more
violation of well- established physical laws, including,
especially, potential violations of causality (i.e. an effect
before a cause).

PNH - a relatively small number of apparently reliable UFO cases
seems to show some unusual features which suggest non-physicality
and physicality in the same phenomenon. While this could be an
effect of a technological device which is not known to us, this
aspect does bear watching. Certainly, biological compatibility
may very well not be an issue for a paranormal UFO source, so
even presuming the truth of the abduction / hybrid thread PNH is
not ruled out. But it is a more complex hypothesis than ETH since
it requires a paranormal intelligence of unknown source, capable
of altering matter with a non-visible technology, neither of
which is within the scope of our present physical knowledge.

Well, I hope that does the job for now...

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                      UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk In Russia

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:42:42 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:33:51 -0500
Subject: UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk In Russia


Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:22:50 -0700
From: Jilain <jilain@rt66.com>
To: ufolist@riskers.org
Subject: UFO Crash at Height 611



DAILY NEWS, Anchorage, AK - July 5, 1990 CR: J.
& L. Nicholson

SPACESHIPS PAYING REGULAR VISITS,

UFO SPECIALISTS CLAIM

EDITOR'S NOTE; Articles from the Northern News
Services are taken from newspapers from nations around
the north, translated and distributed by the Novosti Pre
ss Agency in Moscow. The Daily News publishes them
to give readers a view of issues peculiar to northern areas
and as a view of how the news is reported in ot her
nations.

By YEVGENI BUGAYENKO

Northern News Service

The mysteries are many, Trustworthiness and objectivity
of observations cannot be always verified. In most cases,
television and photo cameras fail when it comes to filming
UFOs. But there are irrefutable proofs, which only make
scientists shrug. The breath-taking one is the Dalnegorsk
phenomenon. On the fringes of Dalnegorsk (a city in the
Far East) four years ago, a spaceship had an accident on
Height 611. According to witnesses, it happened at 5 :55
p. m. The low-flying reddish sphere was moving
moiselessly towards Height 611. Reaching it, the sphere
went down, then up and again down, eventually catch ing
fire. Aflame, it made six attempts to take off. One hour
later it slowly rose and flew away. Expeditions from the
Far Eastern Scientific Center and other notable
institutions inspected the site. Opinions differ. Enthusiast
Valeri Dvuzhilni, who was a teacher when the accident
happened and now heads the anomalous phenomena
commission Far Eastern group of the Academy of
Sciences' Siberian branch, gives the following facts.
Instruments registered six anomalous pounts on the site.
Strange iron and lead drops and welded, not charred,
peices of wood were found. Atop the hill extraordinary
finds were discovered. Firstly, the "grid," which no one
can explain what it is. Scientists from the Institute of
Chemistry say, "We don't know how this substance was
formed. Nothing like it exists." Another mystery is the
quartz-sheathed gold thread 17 microns (three times less
than human hair) in diameter. Three days after the
accidents, scientists rose to the hill, where they lost
coordination and fell down. They all registered
unexplainable changes in the blood and high blood
pressure. Explanations of these mysteries also are many.
Dvuzhilnicites dozens of other anomalous phenomena
which occurred above the Far Eastern taiga. For exampl
e, on the night of Nov. 28-29, 1987, 33 UFOs were
seen. Thirteen UFOs passed above Dalnegorsk. Five of
them hovered and searched the earth with their beams,
while the other four flew above Height 611 between 10
p.m. and 2 a.m. Too fantastic? But then again time will
tell.

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From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:43:24 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:41:20 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:04:25 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

Rebecca and list members,

>FWIW, the danger sign story has been around for a while. I
>believe Theresa even did some first hand investigation of that as
>well.

I did attempt to investigate it. As so often has happened in this
saga, it came down to trying to prove a negative.  In this
instance, proving that similar signs did not exist in 1947.

I did find incidences of similar signs using the word "DANGER",
as early as the mid-fifties.

Chances are that OSHA would not have simply pulled a particular
design out of the blue and made it a standard. It was likely a
"tried and true" model that was made into the standard.

Finding exactly when and where it was tried could be a near
impossible task.

Another problem stems from the fact that we don't know exactly
what the sign in the autopsy footage says.

An interesting note though, in case anyone else is thinking of
"finding" more Roswell UFO crash evidence, the warning sign that
seems to be the most common in the late forties was one that said
"CAUTION".  Red letters on a yellow background....

Regards,

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From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:04:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:43:42 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:56:13 +0100
>From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>To: updates@globalserve.net


Don,

>You really think after three years that Santilli is finally going to
>release that film. :-)

Odd, but your statement reminds me of an old tale about dangling
a carrot in front of a jackass to keep him moving... ;-)

Santilli told me that he wouldn't be releasing the "first
autopsy". He told me this both before and after seeing the
Shadows of Doubt report.

Wonder which one he is lying to...


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From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:11:05 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:54:10 -0500
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Greer's December letter to Congress
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PUBLIC REQUESTED TO CALL THESE COMMITTEES Today, 24 December
1997, the following letter was sent to key Chairmen of  Congres-
sional Committees by registered mail, return receipt  requested.

December 22, 1997
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Senator/Congressman,

For the past seven years, CSETI (The Center for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has been collecting scientific
evidence on the matter of extraterrestrial intelligence and
so-called UFOs.

We have identified a substantial amount of irrefutable evidence
as well as the testimony of over 100 military, intelligence
agency and civilian government witnesses who have held Top Secret
(TS) clearances, many of whom were additionally cleared for
access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). These people
have personally witnessed or been involved in covert operations
related to this subject or events of an unambiguous  extraterres-
trial nature (see enclosures).

The implications of this matter transcend the interests of any
given branch or agency of the US government, and impact numerous
interrelated areas, all of which affect national security,
governmental function and finances and government  accountabili-
ty.

In general, the US government and its legal representatives are
excluded from briefings and developments impacting this important
area -- a situation which we feel is unconstitutional,  dange-
rously avoids Congressional oversight, and which must be
corrected as soon as possible.

In meetings which I have had with a sitting CIA Director, members
of the Senate and House of Representatives, the Executive Branch
and senior military representatives in the Pentagon, I have found
that, while there is interest in the subject and general support
for a disclosure regarding the existence of extraterrestrial life
forms, there is an almost universal absence of information
available to these leaders.

The implications of excessive and undue secrecy surrounding this
issue should concern every member of Congress who is charged with
upholding the integrity of the U.S. Constitution and the rule of
law. The subject itself has vast implications for world peace,
science and new technologies, the environment, the economy and
geo-politics (see enclosed paper "Implications of an  Extrater-
restrial Disclosure").


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CSETI is hereby formally asking your committee to convene open
hearings on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence
beginning with the next term of Congress. We are prepared to
provide you with a substantial body of detailed briefing
materials in addition to those enclosed, as well as the names of
bona-fide first hand military and intelligence witnesses who wish
to testify under oath before Congress. These heros of our country
are eager to inform the Congress and the American people of what
they know first-hand regarding this matter.

We respectfully ask that you reply to this request and answer the
following questions:

Is your committee willing to receive a preliminary briefing on
this subject?

If not, why?

Is your committee willing to allow open, publicly accessed
hearings on this subject?

If not, why?

CSETI and its worldwide network of military witnesses, scientists
and researchers are ready to provide you with a full briefing on
this subject at your earliest convenience. We feel the American
people, and the people of the world, deserve to know the truth
of  this matter.

We request that our elected representatives assert their
constitutional rights on behalf of the American citizen to be
provided a full, reasonable disclosure on this matter in the next
term of Congress.

Sincerely,
Steven M. Greer M.D. International Director of CSETI enclosures:

1. CSETI Briefing Document - CSETI Assessment and Position Papers
 and U.S. Government Documents related to UFOs.

2. Videotape of Military Witnesses' Testimony from 9April, 1997
 Washington DC CSETI Briefings for Congressmen and others -
Confidential.

3. Videotape of Images of UFOs/Extraterrestrial Vehicles.

4. Audiotape and Transcript of Edwards Air Force Base pursuit of
 UFOs, 1965.

5. Report on the CSETI Washington DC Briefings of 9 April, 1997.
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The Extraterrestrial Electronic Monitoring Space Directorate
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ACC's president Jack Shulman announced on Sightings that he had
discovered an organization called Extraterrestrial Electronic
Monitoring Space Directorate, short E2.

Ex-US Navy seal Bob Wolf had found a document with the name of
E2 on it at a USAF in Rome, New York. Wolf had penetrated the
defenses of the base, had searched through the laboratories of
the base and was subsequently arrested. Wolf was released on bail
and had kept a piece of paper that referred to an address in
Hannover, Maryland.

Wolf and Shulman located the headquarters in a facility near Air
and Space Command of US Command. They have found it in an
innocuous facility that looked like a brokerage. There they
overheard the name of E2.

The satellite network that ACC had discovered earlier, called
Skystation, is property of E2, according to a CIA acquaintance
of Shulman. E2 is also referenced to in the 50 year old notes
that ACC used to develop the transcapacitor.

>From their own research ACC had concluded that E2 does not report
to the public, Congress or the president. Bob Wolf has taped a
conversation with him and Shulman and officials of the Department
of the Army in which the existence of E2 was confirmed. Shulman
added: 'Ed Mitchell was correct in suggesting the existence of
a non reporting entity in the US military.' Shulman also said
that E2 seemed to have been responsible for the dissemination of
transistor technology to Bell Labs and for the secrecy around the
Roswell and Corona UFOs.


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T-CAP Inside
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On a recent appearance on Sightings Jeff Shulman explained ACC's
discovery the Transcapacitor. The device seems to be able to
store 10 to the 23th power of bits or memory units. The transca-
pacitor showed hardly any energy loss or heat dissipation, which
would suggest interesting application in laptop computers.

Shulman thinks that the technology is patentable under a
"Composition of matter" patent. For commercial exploitation
licensing seems the best option. ACC has organized a demonstrati-
on for engineers at General Electric.

The mainstream media so far has only asked Shulman why he is
dealing with "this way-out stuff"? Shulman thinks it is biggest
story of the century.


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Shulman further explained that ACC could not make te device
instantly. He has founded the Transcapacitor Technology Center
to further study the device. Development of the transcapacitor
could take years and ACC plans to ship its first commercial
product at the end of 1999 or early in the year 2000. It will be
a storage device that can store 90 Gigabytes of data and has the
size of a poker chip.


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Credits
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Jack Shulman of ACC said on Sightings on the Radion of December
23 that I had alerted former New York Times journalist Ed Wang
to ACC's original story about the alleged alien origin of the
transistor back in August. On ACC's website I am credited for
giving this story a world wide distribution.

This is not true. In fact, it was Stig Agermose of Denmark who
has done that. Jack also said he did not know whether I lived in
the Netherlands, Norway or Denmark. Well, I live in the Nether-
lands and Stig lives in Denmark.

The confusion has arisen because from the posting of the original
story onward I have been pursuing this story vigorously in
Internet forums and in this newsletter and have phoned ACC three
times. My other contribution is that I urged ex-Navy Seal Bob
Wolf to investigate into the case and he has since allied himself
with ACC and has made remarkable discoveries, among other things
the discovery of the wherabouts of E2 (see elsewhere in this
issue).

During one of the phone calls I asked Shulman what he hoped to
achieve by confronting the US Air Force and AT & T about the
alien origin of the transistor. He answered: 'I want to be part
of a space faring civilization. I want to let the US Air Force
admit is has a UFO and I want the technology to enter the public
domain. There is nothing I would like to do more than exploring
the solar system. When I was younger I wanted to enter the
astronaut corps, but I could not because of my physique. I have
family working for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and another
relative worked for Lockheed's Skunk Works. But I still have the
hope of travelling in space. We have the technology to go into
space by the masses, but at this point the powers that be won't
let it.

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CSETI Background
**************************************************************


Dear Friends of CSETI Project Starlight,
This letter is to bring you up to date on developments since the
historic CSETI briefings in Washington DC for members of Congress
and other leaders held on 9 April 1997.

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The past 6-8 months have witnessed a number of promising
developments, with increasing interest from key congressional
leaders and congressional committees, as well as leaders in other
countries. Additionally, senior scientific leadership who direct
major operations at nationally significant scientific instituti-
ons are now looking into the extraterrestrial question in a
serious and thorough fashion.

Last month, we concluded preliminary meetings with these
scientific leaders and congressional staff, and are optimistic
that the subject of UFOs/ETI is finally being taken seriously.

Members of several Congressional committees, as well as the
chairman and chief of staff of a key House committee, have stated
that they are now convinced that the subject is 'real' and of
importance. We are continuing our dialogue with these and other
leaders and encouraging them to hold open hearings in the
Congress during the next term which begins in January.

This month we are sending a full briefing package, including
videotaped witness testimony, government documents, UFO photos
and film footage and other evidence to the chairmen of 15 major
Congressional committees which are relevant to this subject (see
enclosed letter). In this letter they are asked to reply to our
formal request for hearings .

Additionally, we are completing a proposal for a major new global
survey of extraterrestrial intelligence. This proposal, called
The CSETI Earth/Near Earth Extraterrestrial Survey, calls for a
major scientific real-time survey of UFO/ET activity using
state-of-the-art technology and rapid response capability.
Properly funded and executed, it would scientifically study and
document in real time UFO events globally. Scientists and
institutions of the highest caliber are currently consulting with
us on this project.

Regarding future strategic plans to effect a global disclosure
on the existence of UFOs/Extraterrestrial Intelligence, we are
at a significant crossroads: While continuing to provide
briefings, evidence and advice to the Congress, White House and
other national and world leaders, we must now make good on our
promise to disclose fully what is know about this subject to the
public. To 'privatize' the disclosure of top secret witness
testimony  and other evidence will require several world-class
documentaries and books coordinated with a world scientific
gathering and press conference.

While we certainly have the materials, evidence and witnesses in
place to fulfill such a plan, funding is another matter. Most
likely, these documentaries and books will need to be funded
through a business endeavor since it is clear no benefactors
exist to fund such an undertaking through a non-profit entity.
From a practical point of view, the minimum required to effect
such a privatized disclosure, including a broadcast quality 2
hour documentary, two books, the world press briefing and a

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scientific gathering to review the evidence is approximately $2
million.

If you know of any individuals or entities who could help with
such an undertaking, please contact me as soon as possible.

The release of definitive evidence and top-secret testimony
through such  a multi-media plan - if done properly - would
constitute a disclosure of significant proportions. It would very
likely then lead to the  congressional investigations and
hearings for which we have been calling.

Strategically, it is unwise to continue to allow governmental
foot-dragging to delay any longer the release of information and
top-secret witness  testimony. The obvious advantage to Congres-
sional hearings is that they would be taken seriously, seen
widely and would be funded by the Congress If we must, as a
civilian group, achieve much the same goals through a private
multi-media effort, then substantial business and financial
support will be needed. The resulting products must be first-rate
and be positioned to avoid the tabloid, lower-end media.
Certainly, we are ready to move into the public domain with this
disclosure process and look forward to your comments, ideas,
networking and general assistance in this important global
undertaking.

Wishing you the best of all worlds and a time of Universal Peace,

Steven M. Greer M.D.
Director of CSETI enc.

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Light stuff
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Anonymous mail to Ufomind (Glen Campbell)


I am convinced that aliens have infiltrated the Dutch government.
I can proof this statement by reports about several secret
meetings, held by a number of creatures from outer space. Soon
I will make public an alien conspiracy, which has a dutch
revolution as purpose. I can not sign this message because I am
being watched by the BVD, the secret intelligence agency of
Holland.


Our minister of Foreign Affairs is just losing it a little bit,
that's all - HvdP

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Stunning Israeli Evidence Emerges
**************************************************************

By Barry Chamish

One might think 1997 was a poor year of UFO activity in Israel
judging by the paucity of media reports. In fact, the media
clamped down hard in January '97 after they were burned on the
Achiod alien/lizard story and the false prediction of mass
landings on Jan.5. However, due to the superb research of David
Ronen, Doron Rotem and two young newcomers, Gil Bar and Eddie
Shpitz, it turns out that 1997 was a vintage year for Israeli
ufology.


Some of the most dramatic physical evidence of the country's
intense ten years of activity emerged last year. Following is a
summary of 1997.

FILMS

- Over three nights in September 1996, Elad Niger filmed a
remarakable UFO over the coastal plains city of Kochav Yair from
his vantage point in the nearby city of Kfar Saba. He released
the films to David Ronen in March of 1997. They reveal the
prettiest UFO ever filmed in Israel. It looks like a colorful
apple wearing a three pronged crown.

- 1997 saw three UFOs filmed in Rishon Letzion, 20 miles south
of Tel Aviv and a center of UFO activity since 1993 when giant
aliens visited the apartment of Batya Shimon. Of the three clips,
none is so memorable as Gil Bar's November filming of an
ellipsoid disk captured in 4 PM sunlight being chased by an
Israeli Air Force F-15. The UFO's high speed manoevres to escape
the jet are most acrobatic. This is the first known instance of
a military plane chasing a UFO captured on film in Israel.

- Then on November 26, Nahum Shomroni video-taped an afternoon
invasion of low flying UFOs over Tel Aviv. The light conditions
were perfect and the craft were flying at only an estimated 700
meters altitude. The result is a breathtaking view of three
sponge-shaped, dark UFOs of a type possibly never seen before.

PHYSICAL EVIDENCE

1997 saw two disturbing animal mutilation incidents associated
with UFO sightings. They continued a pattern that began in the
Negev village of Klachim in Dec. '96. Sylvia and Yitzhak Kadosh
witnessed "an image as big as a house sparkling like a welding
torch" land near their donkey compound. The light vanished before
their eyes and they hoped it would be the last time their farm
suffered such an intrusion. But their hope was not realized. Two
nights later, 2 donkeys were mutilated. The older one had its
eyes and tongue removed and its rib cage was exposed by a

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surgical removal of skin and tissue. The younger animal only had
the latter operation performed on it.

In July '97, the Glam family of Sde Uziah, thirty miles west of
Klachim, had a UFO experience which culminated in Mrs. Glam being
chased by a projector light from an unknown source. Again, two
nights later, their sheep pen was invaded and five sheep were
drained bloodless from precise holes drilled in their cheeks.
Doron Rotem researched both incidents and to this day, keeps an
example from Sde Uziah frozen in his freezer. He admits his wife
is not happy about this mutilated carcass sharing space with the
family groceries.

The final incident made national news, the only UFO story to do
so all year. On Nov. 2, a silver ellipsoid disk hovered over the
Gaza Strip settlement of Paat Hasadeh. On Nov. 8, Yaacov
Mazal-Terem awoke to discover a row of twelve pairs of holes, 5
cm. deep along the fence which enclosed his horse. The horse
itself, had two 1 cm. holes surgically drilled into its front
hooves. The row of holes was photographed by the national media
and their origin remains a mystery. Speculation is they were
alien tracks or pods from a craft.

And finally, the famed hotspot of Kadima returned gloriously to
Israel's UFO history. From 1993-95, approximately 20 landing
spots were discovered after nights of UFO activity in the skies.
Within were shards of material later tested worldwide and found
to be a nearly pure silicon. This year, the same shards were
found twelve miles to the west on the beaches of Gaash and
Shfayim after UFO activity was reported.

On October 10, a UFO was seen over the Kadima suburb of Tel
Yitzhak. Idan Levy discovered its landing circle and found
within, not shiny silicon but an unknown material that looks like
grey branched coral.

SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO

I will be bringing the videos of the low flying invasion of Tel
Aviv, the F-15 chasing a most distinct disk over Rishon Letzion
and the colorful apple-shaped craft with a crown over Kochav Yair
to the Laughlin, Nevada conference. I think conferees will agree
this is a most dynamic and important trio of films.
I will also be bringing photos of the three mutilation cases as
well as samples of the Kadima "coral" to be offered for serious
laboratory testing. Israel's unique and powerful wave did not
diminish in 1997, it simply went unreported. That will end in
Laughlin.


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Sent by Barry Chamish - Israeli journalist.
Phone/Fax : (972)-2-9914936 E-Mail :
chamish@netmedia.net.il
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                    UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97

From: "Ben Field" <ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:44:29 -0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:04:43 -0500
Subject: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97

I thought this may be of interest to some of you, again it is a UFO
Report reported on the B.U.F.O.D. Space, Above and Beyond website :

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk

All the best....Ben Field
ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk

------------------------------------------------
Permision to publish report: Yes

First name: Jeremy Clark
Surname: Packer
Age: 32
Occupation: Engineer

Year sighting took place: 1997
Month sighting took place: December
Day sighting took place: Monday
Time sighting took place: 8:00 am

Country: USA
Nearest town: Corpus Christi

Description of area where sighting took place: Oil Platform- 30 miles
from Shore of Gulf of Mexico.
No land masses...no clouds...heavy wind...several liners.
500 manned oil rig.

The UFO was sighted in or near a Reservoir/River/Canal/Water
The UFO was sighted in or near an air route

Did anyone else witness the sighting ?: Yes
Relationship of witnesses: Co-Workers


Circumstances of the sighting/experience: I had just woke up for our
daily routine on the rig. Our sleeping quarters were below sea level,
so we all had to trundge up to the main core housing to start work. It
was about 7:58 to 8:00.

My watch stopped ticking at 7:58 but I don't know if my time was
right. Everyone else's watch stopped ticking as well with various
times.

As I and about 20 other men neared our stations to perform the daily
greasing and releasing routine, we stopped cold in our tracks.
The Bore that drills the hole into the ocean floor was bent like a
toothpick into a V-Shape.
We looked at the underwater cameras to recheck what our eyes saw and
we could't believe it.

First off..this bore is 140.65 Feet thick made of solid steel. Nothing
can bend it...let alone something on the ocean floor...and it wasn't
even on the ocean floor! It was just right below the surface of the
water about 200 feet...the amount of pressure it would take would be
equal to the sun's force. We were dumbfounded... then we got scared!
Everyone started hearing a rumbling noise and we knew it wasn't the
Engines running the platform bore...everything shuts off when
something goes wrong. Out of th West we saw what looked to be about
25-30 Helicopters on maneuvers...not uncommen a sight. What was
uncommen was that the rig commander came up and told us he had no
alerts to any military maneuvers from the coast guard that day. They
usually alert us whenever they do these things in our vicinity.
Another peculiar thing was that the helicopters made no sounds..none
ZIPP!

Then we all ran to the west side of the platform...about 250 of us in
all...the others were below sleeping...they have the night shift.
Then we saw something that totally changed us! All of the helicopters
stopped in midair and something LARGE..very LARGE surfaced beneath
them.

It was a HUGE Metal object about the size of our platform! It just
came straight out of the water and straight into the air! It hovered
over the Helicopters for about 2 minutes. Enough for us to use the
telescopes to check it out!
it was as large as about two football fields, concave underneath with
4 large bulbouse domes in the concave part of the bottom of it.
It turned on it's side and we saw that it looked like a huge flying
CIGAR which was tapored at both ends.
On the top of the thing was another concave indent that had lights
circling within it.

Every color you could possibly imagine! It was BEAUTIFUL! We heard the
soft rumbling all througout the sighting.

Then something amazing happened as we stood there in disbelief.
Like someone turning off a light switch...it was gone. One second we
were all looking through binoculars, telescopes and through just our
eyes...hell it was close enough you didn't need the devices!
then it was gone. I would say as fast as you could blink or a light
switch would turn on and off a light...it was gone.

The helicopters headed our way and passed us overhead, again never
making a sound. We could see that they had absolutely no markings.
Familiar with the stuff the military does around here, we knew they we
ren't military craft.
Some looked like they were stainless steel, almost invisible, some
were jet black. I counted 22...my best friend couted 28.

Everyone had a different amount. We all also noticed that our watches
were about 30 minutes later than what the time actually was when we
got back to the mainland.

We were sent on temporary leave by our bosses for what we reported so
that they could fix/repair/replace the bore on the rig.

I'm back at work now but I still look out at the ocean every chance I
get!

The height the UFO was from the ground was about: 280 - 300 feet above
sea

Noise info. heard during the sighting: Rumbling Sound for most of the
sighting. Our watches stopped working!

The UFO was sighted for [   ] Minutes: 30

The UFO Manoeuvred
The UFO Changed Colour
The UFO Hovered
The UFO Rotated

Was any photographic record made at the time?: Yes, Camera

Did you experience any effects ie loss of time: Yes...All our watches
showed 30 minutes late/about the time the sighting took place.

(Weather and Conditions) - Windy
(Weather and Conditions) - Cold
(Weather and Conditions) - Daylight
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                         Re: UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:52:43 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:01:30 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Crash at Dalnegorsk

Thought you might like to view the entire page

http://www.trancepassion.com/_ufo/ufonews1.html

Stig

*******


SPACESHIPS PAYING REGULAR VISITS
DAILY NEWS, Anchorage, AK - July 5, 1990 CR: J. & L. Nicholson

SPACESHIPS PAYING REGULAR VISITS,

UFO SPECIALISTS CLAIM

EDITOR'S NOTE; Articles from the Northern News Services are taken from
newspapers from nations around the north, translated and distributed by
the Novosti Press Agency in Moscow. The Daily News publishes them to
give readers a view of issues peculiar to northern areas and as a view
of how the news is reported in ot her nations.

By YEVGENI BUGAYENKO

Northern News Service

In Khabarovsk in the evening of March 21, 1990, bright red spheres
stole across the horizon and darted above the ice-bound Amur River.
According to witnesses, they kept strict distance. They arrived in
force, say militiamen who saw the UFOs and tried to videotape them. As
always in such cases, the video ran erratically and through
interference, and that was how Khabarovsk television explained the
flickering and flashing image. Witnesses were many. Numerous telephone
calls came to the militia and city executive committee offices and
military headquarters. Hospital No. 10 called for help: The
cigar-shaped object which hovered above it caused panic among the
patients and personnel. The militia patrol car hurried to the scene.
Spotting it on the highway, the UFO took off. That was not all.
According to a witness, he and his wife were out for a walk in the
evening and saw a low-flying "saucer" with a bright surface and running
lights all along the board. The UFO was restless and its nose now
dipping, now rising. The sensatioal news came from a woman criminal
inspector. On the day after, she reported an extra-terestrial visiting
her while she was watching a TV film at night. Interference choked the
screen. Then a breeze seemed to push aside the curtain and a tall
creature in a "lustrous suit" with enormous shining eyes and arms which
reached below his knees entered. He held an oblong object in his hand.
Small wonder the criminal inspector blacked out, seeing the heavenly
visitor. Remarkably, in the morning the balcony door knob was
electrified and the dog whined incessantly. The Suvorovski Natisk daily
(the Far Eastern Military District organ), which never published
untrustworthy reports, came up with the following. Asked if the radars
had spotted the UFOs, the anti-aircraft defense headquarters spokesman
said: "March 21, the UFO was observed moving 100-120 meters above
ground. It was a black cigar-shaped object 50 meters in length. In its
rear part, a ruby glow was seen. The information was phoned in by the
duty officer. Our radars spotted nothing."

Flying saucers are flying above the Far East according to a timetable,
specialists maintain. I leafed through the newspaper files for
regularly published reports on UFOs. On Oct. 2, saucer-like,
ellipse-shaped objects up to 10 meters in length were seen flying in
broad daylight above the river near the Verkhnaya Manoma village. The
sky became a rosy tint. Children ran about, crying "Extraterestrials
have come." In Troitski-on-Amur, Nanai National District center, many
saw a mysterious phenomenon at around 11 p.m. Three bright beams cut
the sky and then merged into one, which gradually faded in the dark.
Last January, inhabitants of the Tumnin village in the taiga on the Sea
of Okhotsk saw a huge spherical gondola-shaped body, which slowly
drifted to the southeast. There were no clouds. Weathermen made an
entry in the log, which contains many such entries: "Red, yellow, and
green luminous spheres observed in the sky;" "an isolated large
luminous object arrived from beyond the horizon and hovered above the
village center;" "on November 29, an unidentified oval object hovered
above the village and emitted three colour beams, lighting the ground."
The daily Magakanskaya Pravda appealed to its readers to establish a
UFOlogists' society. The daily Sovetskaya Chukotka devotes an entire
page to extraterrestrials. Khabarovsk television has shown two
90-minute "UFO Mysteries" round tables. The mysteries are many,
Trustworthiness and objectivity of observations cannot always be
verified. In most cases, television and photo cameras fail when it
comes to filming UFOs. But there are irrefutable proofs, which only
make scientists shrug. The breath-taking one is the Dalnegorsk
phenomenon. On the fringes of Dalnegorsk (a city in the Far East) four
years ago, a spaceship had an accident on Height 611. According to
witnesses, it happened at 5:55 p.m. The low-flying reddish sphere was
moving noiselessly towards Height 611. Reaching it, the sphere went
down, then up and again down, eventually catching fire. Aflame, it made
six attempts to take off. One hour later it slowly rose and flew away.
Expeditions from the Far Eastern Scientific Center and other notable
institutions inspected the site. Opinions differ. Enthusiast Valeri
Dvuzhilni, who was a teacher when the accident happened and now heads
the anomalous phenomena commission Far Eastern group of the Academy of
Sciences' Siberian branch, gives the following facts. Instruments
registered six anomalous points on the site. Strange iron and lead
drops and welded, not charred, pieces of wood were found. Atop the hill
extraordinary finds were discovered. Firstly, the "grid," which no one
can explain what it is. Scientists from the Institute of Chemistry say,
"We don't know how this substance was formed. Nothing like it exists."
Another mystery is the quartz-sheathed gold thread 17 microns (three
times less than human hair) in diameter. Three days after the
accidents, scientists rose to the hill, where they lost coordination
and fell down. They all registered unexplainable changes in the blood
and high blood pressure. Explanations of these mysteries also are many.
Dvuzhilnicites dozens of other anomalous phenomena which occurred above
the Far Eastern taiga. For example, on the night of Nov. 28-29, 1987,
33 UFOs were seen. Thirteen UFOs passed above Dalnegorsk. Five of them
hovered and searched the earth with their beams, while the other four
flew above Height 611 between 10 p.m. and 2 a.m. Too fantastic? But
then again time will tell.









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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:04:01 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:03:35 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:33:25 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> >If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
> >Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
> >Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
> >Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
> >most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
> >the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
> >Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
> >1952 press release describing these events.

> >Gary Alevy

>At the risk of blowing my own horn, let me point out that in
>'Conspiracy of Silence' (Avon Books, 1997) I take a long look at
>the Washington Nationals, including interviews I conducted with
>some of the participants. Both Dewey Fournet and Al Chop provided
>insights into what happened, especially on the second night. I
>also interviewed tower personnel and used the unpublished data
>from the Condon Committee study. (Condon's investrigator took a
>couple of people to lunch and submitted a bill for about $3.50
>for everyone's meal.)

>KRandle


By all means toot that horn Keven. <G>   They must have
eaten at McDonalds back then. <G>  Let's see if we can
get someone to take us to lunch today...for $3.50...<g>

REgards, Mike









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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:24:29 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:11:12 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

>>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>>>>investigation

>>>Hey Jack.

>>>If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>>>Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>>>Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>>>Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
>>>most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
>>>the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
>>>Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
>>>1952 press release describing these events.

>>>Gary Alevy

>>Hello The List, and hello Gary...

>>Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
>>it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
>>just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
>>to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
>>accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
>>some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
>>therein will be found the most reliable of information.
>>I have to say this first, then if the book has something
>>more to offer... Well, we shall see.

>>Regards,

>>Jack

>Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

>Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
>the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
>In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
>whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
>given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
>believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

Kevin,

We run into alleged copyright infringement every day. I know
of no laws that prohibit the reproduction of _excerpts_ from
any publication providing there is no intent to profit from
the endeavor. The wording of copyright protections are a lot
tougher sounding than the legal ways of backing them up.
I go to great lengths to obtain permission where it's poss-
ible.

When it's not practical, I limit my discussion to brief ex-
cerpts and/or re-phrasing of the author's message. For in-
stance, were I to use excerpts from one of your copyright
works, and you found it necessary to object, I would simply
cease and desist. ...No law-suit necessary or applicable.

>
>And Jack, what gave you the idea that the newspaper clippings
>from the time would be more accurate than Ruppelt's analysis of
>the situation, especially since you haven't read it? Ruppelt
>seemed to provide an interesting insight into the functioning of
>the UFO investigation in 1952 and gives some clues about the
>thinking at the higher levels. Ruppelt's work is important to
>understanding the whole of the 1952 flap.

The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
that I was there.

Best regards,

Jack








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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:53:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:49:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident
>       Of Nature
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:11:26 -0800


>>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/13/98 12:04 AM:
>>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:11 -0600
>>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>>  In this book the Sumerians allege that there was a rogue planet
>>  which had broken away from it's sun and along with it's 12 moons,

<snip>

>It is still not clear if Mars ever had standing bodies of water
>that would have lasted long enough to originate life, but it
>seems much less likely that Mars could have evolved a complex
>enough ecosystem to have developed an intelligent life form, and
>to show no trace of that ecosystem today.

Hiya Mark,

As an avid amateur astronomer of long standing I have followed
NASA's exploration of the solar system closely. One of the more
astounding discoveries (aside from the odd structures in Cydonia)
were extinct river beds! Some of these 'river beds' led to basins
where water must have stood for long periods in mars' ancient
history. Modern theory is that a percentage of the martian water
supply is frozen in the polar caps while much may yet lay frozen
beneath the surface. It is one of the questions geologists need/
want answered.

If water existed, then it is possible that a rudimentary form of
life had an oportunity to gain a foothold. If Cydonia turns out
to be artificial, then it's a 'done thing' that life there was a
bit more complex than a simple bacteria or single celled organism
and that it established -much more- than just a tenuous foothold
hold on Mars! <G>

BTW, I understand that the funding for Cydonia was acquired by a
Martian that claimed to talk to God personally, a little blue
fellow named Orell Royburtz. He simply went on Martian Planetary
TV one day and told the population that if he didn't raise
$76,000,000 gurns to build the temples in Cydonia that God
Himself was going to strike him dead by bleemday of that very
week. The rest is history, and we'll soon have the pictures to
prove it! <VBG>

Peace,

John Velez ;-)













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                     The Prophets Conference - Strieber

From: prophets@maui.net
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:50:59 -1000
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:57:22 -0500
Subject: The Prophets Conference - Strieber

THE PROPHETS CONFERENCE - WHITLEY STRIEBER

'UFOs, Current Anomalies and What They Portend' - Panel - Opening
Remarks Los Angeles - March, 1997 - Presented by Axiom

Introduction by Scott Catamas

SCOTT CATAMAS:
"Whitley has probably done as good a job as anyone on the planet
of expressing outrageous, extraordinary phenomena in very human
and remarkably honest terms.  Being willing to be so honest and
to personalize it is very courageous, I believe.  He didn't play
it safe."

WHITLEY STRIEBER:
"UFOs and Current Anomalies and What They Portend."  Well, what
are current anomalies?  It's an interesting phrase - current
anomalies.   I don't know what was meant when this was written,
but I do know what it means to me.  I think the most
extraordinary current anomaly is the fact that an awful lot of
people are beginning to notice that there's something very wrong
with the vision of the world that we have created.  It doesn't
work.  It's not real enough to take in all of our experience.
The model of the universe of which our world is living has to
reject these things (OBE's, NDE's, UFO encounters), it has to say
their not real because it hasn't got any room for them.  That
means it hasn't got any room or at least not enough room for us,
all of us. Every human being is bigger than the model of the
universe by which mankind now lives:  which is why the model is
in peril, in jeopardy and is in the process of being rebuilt.

'A most interesting thing happened in France in the early 18th
century, 1720's.  There was a movement...which was a sort of
ecstatic Christian movement.  Pretty heretical by the standards
of those days.  And the leader of this movement died, and after
his death people discovered that if they touched his tomb, they
had the same kind of experience that people have had for many
thousands of years when touching the wall near where St. John
wrote the Book of Revelations on the Island of Patmos.  They felt
a sort of electricity coming through their bodies.  And it did
much more than simply provide little moments of  shock.  It
created a sensation in France in those days because the people
who had this experience began to go into an extraordinary
ecstatic state, completely unprecedented in human experience up
until that point.  They would become rigid: a kind of rictus.
And during this state they could be hit with sledgehammers; they
could be used to hammer nails into wood; heavy stones could be
dropped on their bodies; they became impermeable to harm.  They
were called convulsionaires.  A sort of group of hospitalier
volunteers was organized to help the convulsionaires when this
condition overcame them in the streets.  At one point there were
10,000 people involved in helping convulsionaires in the streets
of Paris. In other words the city had exploded into a state of
anomaly.  Finally the church and the King had the little chapel
yard of the little church walled up so that people could not get
to this tomb.

'I was fascinated by this story because it suggests that at the
beginning of the Age of Reason, the body of humankind made a
last, desperate effort to try to express itself in the direction
that it has always been going since the beginning of time: to the
point where we leap beyond the physical and become
hyper-physical, super-physical beings,  where the spirit and the
body unite into a whole new kind of being.

'I went on a sort of pilgrimage to that church a year ago August,
this last August, and found that the garden is still walled-up.
You still can't get to the tomb.  It's very subtle, but if you go
into the little church you find that you can't quite seem to go
into the garden.  And when you go out and walk in the street to
get into the garden, there's no entrance.  It's walled up to
about 18 feet high and you just can't get in.  There's no
explanation of why you can't.  You can't.

'In other words, current anomalies are walled up within our
society and within ourselves just as the anomaly in the little
church.  And now somebody's here breaking the walls down, and
that's what all this video coming out of Mexico and out of
Salida, Colorado, and so forth of UFO's is about.  It's what the
implants are about, as this extraordinary phenomenon becomes
increasingly more and more physical, and wakes up more and more
people, as it did me and many others in this room, and forces us
to face the fact that we're so extraordinary."

You may find out what was exactly said at The Prophets
Conferences in Los Angeles and Phoenix by Whitley Strieber and
the others in this extraordinary group of today's leading
messengers, by visiting:

http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/tapes.html

Another of the outstanding Prophets Conference messengers was
Peter Gorman:
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                          Re: The Lesotho Incident

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:57:47 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:06:25 -0500
Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:49:02 +0100 (MET)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Lesotho Incident

>I have watched how you repeatedly asked for information about the
>Lesotho case and apparently what you got does not satisfy you.

I got absolutely squat, zip, nada, nothing.

>Would you explain why Cynthia Hind declares the case a hoax?

I will be corresponding with Cynthia within the next few weeks,
so I will be able to supply you with her testimony, but from what
I understand, the self-proclaimed Military Intelligence operative
that supplied the "proof" did not pass the bullshit test. The
person in question, an androgynous item called Van Greunen,
couldn't pass serious scrutiny.

But watch this space: I might be getting some material soon..

Jakes E. Louw
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              Re: Thanksfor heads-up on Taiwan 'UFO Cult' story

From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:28:34 PST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:34:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Thanksfor heads-up on Taiwan 'UFO Cult' story

Stig and Robert and Bob,

Thanks for keeping me abreast of the Taiwanese UFo cult story.
Great Knight-Ridder story you sent. There was also a good Chicago
Sun Times story on Saturday and one in the Gary Indiana Post
Tribune with front page photos.

Gathering steam. Bob, be careful.

But seriosuly, if you see any more neews stories can you please
send them my way by email? Thanks. I am compiling huge website
with archived material on this group only.

Terry










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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #214

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:26:30 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:42:39 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #214

Apology to MW #214 (For January 14, 1998) Appropriately and respectfully
to Billy Joel=85 a 'stop the fire' rant <g>.

    ~~~

Flying saucers, small grey men -- folks abducted, ... not pretend.
Chupacabra, ACC,
Mitchell, Bell, and Sitchin -- see? Maytag washers, life on Mars, baby
ET's
plastic jars. Stanton Friedman, Jacques Vallee -- only guessing on their
knees...

We didn't start the fire; it was always burnin' and we're never
learnin'...

Message traffic disappears; end time talk is full of fear; comets fly
across the sky; taking those who wish to die. Johnny Ford is painted
nuts. Still, we're mute; we've got no guts.
Watch and all reports come in; saucers fly on film, my friend!

We didn't start the fire, as we're never learning, we see it burning =85

CIA gives self reports, laughing up my sleeve, I snort. Agents give kids
drugs to sell, I wish them to an early hell. Unibombers and McVeigh, sure
and they have hell to pay -- but we're not hearing _all_ the facts, just
the ones to keep us back!

We didn't start the fire, and the fire still burns because we haven't
learned.

Lying gutted, breached, and gored by machines of landed lords, in a cell
that you'd deplore, lies the frame of Johnny Ford. Lost and most alone is
he, one that worked to set it free (?), soon it is they come for YOU!
What will, then, you say and do?

We didn't start the fire, but it's churning burning sure precludes our
learning.

Heard it first on old Art Bell, deformed frogs, and cells from hell.
Rense is sense I am convinced, Suffolk county's mad, pretence... Hoaxes,
frauds, and misdirection coming to an intersection, bearing down like
there's no blessing, make it stop it's too distressing!

We didn't start the fire, but, still, it's burning; and still we're not
learning.

     Lehmberg@snowhill.com

One I respect observed to me that our government might need to
have some secrets. A republic (he says, though I would argue
oligarchy), requiring immunity from the 'lone crazy' a pure
democracy "suffers", _needs_ to keep secrets from enemies.  I can
only offer that our un-elected, and unconstitutional government,
a government outlined by many from Dwight Eisenhower to Edgar
Mitchell, has so far and away abused that prerogative that the
original reasons requiring it are no longer valid!

It's a government of shadows, making more shadows, that puts the
weave of our system at risk, and NOT the persons that are ground
up in its wheels like those disabled or killed at Area 51, or our
own John Ford. The wheel grinds its way to you and I. It is an
unjust wheel, I'll wager, and one we would not support if we knew
what required it.

A meltdown of the current system in its present form is probably
inevitable. Why not a controlled melt down _now_ in a time of
relative prosperity when we have the extra wealth to weather the
possible storm. Do it _now_ coming out of this winter -- in a
year the dust will have settled a little and we will all be on
much firmer ground. We'll be READY for the next winter. Think of
it fellow motes! We could be ready for far more than a mere
winter!

We must have firmer ground, you and I; it's the only place one
can find any _real_ and lasting satisfaction.

Restore John Ford.

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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake. They shot the piano player.









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From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:47:04 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:45:59 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97

Dear List Members:

I read the BUFOD story about the UFO surfacing near an oil rig in
the Gulf of Mexico, just offshore from Corpus Christi, Texas.

As incredible as it sounds, there may be something to it. During
the past two weeks, UFO ROUNDUP has received reports of UFO
activity near Corpus Christi.

In particular, sightings of UFOs near Harlingen and San Benito,
Texas.  Yesterday I received a report of a UFO over Bayview and
Laguna Vista, Texas, right on the Gulf coast.

List members, if you come across any more south Texas UFO
reports, please list them.

Thanks!

Joseph Trainor
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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:15:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500

>Joel, Bob and LIST,

>There is something we can do though.

>When a proof exists, is READILY AVAILABLE and is VOLUNTARILY
>WITHELD, a simple procedure would be to AVOID distributing
>elements of the case until this proof is brought forward.  That
>does not mean one may not study the case further, but to pretend
>that "there is really nothing we can do" is a pure syllogism.

>Speculation is not the subject here.  We all know that Ufology is
>mainly the study of circumstancial evidence, an elaborate task to
>say the least.

>Hard evidence is what we are talking about.  You surely remember
>the Turin Shroud affair a couple of years ago.  Speculation was
>going on as scientists from major universities had studied the
>Shroud and couldn't figure out how it could have been done.  To
>paraphrase Bruce, "if it was an hoax, it was an elaborate one" :)
> Actual physical datation technics could not be used as too much
>material of a possible Holy Relic would be destroyed.  Until a
>team from |...?| came up with a precise datation method that used
>only a very small amount of material.  The Shroud became a
>shroud, and the Catholic Church escaped paganism and gained a
>some dignity (this time).

>The case of the Alien Autopsy film is quite similar.  Its
>authenticity can be easily... demolished.  Proving the film is
>from 1947 will not establish anything, but proving it is from
>much later will SOLVE the case.

>Mr. Santilli HAS REPEATIDLY PROMISED HE WOULD EMINENTLY COME
>FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF THE ORIGINAL FILM BUT HAS SYSTEMATICALLY
>FAILED TO DO SO.  What can be concluded from such an attitude ?

>We can OJSimpsonize this case ad nauseam, but in the end (and in
>the beginning I would say), it is all a matter of integrity.
>This is "voluntarily Witholding Readily Available Proof", a
>vWRAP.

>If you don't see it Bob then, yes, "there is really nothing we
>can do".

>Serge Salvaille


Serge,

No disagreement from me.  Ray Santilli is one of the most
frustrating people I have ever had any dealings with, and I can't
count the number of times he has promised things and not
delivered.  However, just because the film is in his hands does
not automatically prove anything.  Ray is Ray, the film is the
film, and it is a damned shame that the two ever came together.

As for providing original film, I think this is a matter of
definitions to Ray.  He has provided pieces of what he bought
from the cameraman.
At this point I do not think he has any camera original film, and
I do not think he ever had any.  He bought copy film from the
cameraman and copy film is all he has ever seen.

After a lot of time around Ray and his staff, I have to doubt
that they are competent to put together a hoax of this magnitude
and quality, so I am left with the thought that if it is a hoax
they have been hoaxed as much as any of the rest of us.

Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still
the debris footage to deal with.  I treat the film as a whole,
and there are still many unanswered questions about the
autopsies, the tent footage, and the debris footage.

To me it is a fascinating puzzle and that's why I have been
willing to devote so much time to it.

Bob









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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:17:35 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400
>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>Bob:

>The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with
>manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours
>especially for the 1940s.

>We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The
>earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years older
>than the Sun.

>We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is
>the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic
>manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years
>ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch
>their understanding.

>Stan Friedman

Hi Stan,

No argument.  I'm just against the knee jerk reaction that we
must be dealing with ETs.  I see no hard evidence that this is
the case.

Recent writings by some physicists would make it seem likely that
time travel may be much easier than long distance space travel,
and if that is so then we may be dealing with temponauts.

I don't think we should narrow our field of vision with blinders
without good reason.

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:21:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

>Actually, I have never really understood the idea that simply
>traveling in time causes a paradox. A real paradox would require
>a time traveler to do something that prevents them from traveling
>in time to perform that action. But we don't know how resilient
>the structure of events might be - most scientists seem to assume
>it has a positive feeback response to changes made by future
>entities traveling into the past, but I suspect that some events
>may have large effects and others may die out.

I tend to view time as like a tree with many branches.  Our
actions at any point determine which branch we travel down.  Time
travellers would merely create more branches if they changed
things.

Additionally, in common with some physicists, I reject the Causal
Order Postulate, which states that cause must precede effect in
time.  I view both past and future as fluid, multi branched, and
think that our actions in the present determine not only our
future, but our past as well.

>However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several
>races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents
>point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species.
>That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the
>TTH.

Maybe several races and species of time travellers, or maybe just
travellers from several different times.  Both future and past,
and not necessarily from OUR future and past.

I do not think that we should assert that the TTH is the answer
any more than I think the ETH is the answer.  I just don't want
to narrow my vision by only considering one hypothesis.  My gut
feeling is that neither is actually the answer, and that the
truth of this is something we have not thought of yet.

>I remain concerned about a number of features which reflect
>dubiously on the reality of at least some abductions.

>1) Lack of allergic reactions.

Highly advanced medical knowledge could prevent this.

>2) Lack of biological infection.

Ditto.

>3) Lack of recuperative time - excessively rapid healing after
>massively intrusive procedures.

Ditto. Or perhaps part and parcel of the ability to manipulate
time.

>4) Lack of artifacts despite the continued apparent implantation
>of humans with alien technology.

Good point.

>5) Presence of some clearly non-physical abductions.

Another good point.

>>  Hmmmmm.....Maybe some UFO investigators should be looking forward
>>  instead of up. <grin>

>>  I defer to Mark Cashman who, I hope, will comment.

>At this point, I don't see a need for the TTH.

I strongly disagree.  We need to keep any and all possible
explanations on the table.

>On a plausibility
>scale, I suspect we have, in order:

>ETH - we know life exists in the universe, that intelligent life
>exists in the universe, and that it can travel in space: we are
>that life. We know that there is significant evidence that UFOs
>are physical and operate according to the laws of physics as we
>know them, despite their unusual appearance and extreme
>performance; in fact, UFOs appear to be machines, crewed by
>non-human beings. UFOs come from the sky and return to the sky in
>a significant proportion of cases. The obvious suggestion is that
>UFOs are from another world somewhere in space.

I don't find this obvious at all.  I find it a leap of faith.

>NPH (Non-physical hypotheses such as Earthlights) - we know that
>the human mind can be influenced by magnetic and electrical
>fields, we know plasmas can exist. Unfortunately, NPH cannot
>easily deal with the clearly physical aspects of the phenomenon,
>and essentially would need to be classed with the
>hoax/hallucination/misperception hypotheses in its inability to
>explain important UFO data.

Agreed.

>TTH - This is hard to distinguish from ETH, especially if one
>wants to assume alien time travelers in alliance with humans, or
>that evolved humans would be quite different from present humans
>in appearance. However, time travelers would presumably not need
>to engage in the level of observation or in the types of apparent
>observation performed by UFOs (i.e. studying aircraft again and
>again, following and stalling cars), because, having a heritage
>based in our time, they should already know about these artifacts
>and also about human behavior. Nonetheless, it is possible to
>hypothesize any number of reasons to violate these expectations.
>But it is a more complex hypothesis than ETH and requires more
>violation of well- established physical laws, including,
>especially, potential violations of causality (i.e. an effect
>before a cause).

Back to my earlier comments.  Time travel does not carry with it
a common heritage.  Besides, we don't know how much time we might
be talking about.  Look at how much knowledge we have lost in just
a few thousand years.  If these things are from millions of years
away, then we may be totally unknown to them.

>PNH - a relatively small number of apparently reliable UFO cases
>seems to show some unusual features which suggest non-physicality
>and physicality in the same phenomenon. While this could be an
>effect of a technological device which is not known to us, this
>aspect does bear watching. Certainly, biological compatibility
>may very well not be an issue for a paranormal UFO source, so
>even presuming the truth of the abduction / hybrid thread PNH is
>not ruled out. But it is a more complex hypothesis than ETH since
>it requires a paranormal intelligence of unknown source, capable
>of altering matter with a non-visible technology, neither of
>which is within the scope of our present physical knowledge.

Advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, and all
that....

>Well, I hope that does the job for now...

>------
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>http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
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>Author of SF novels available at...
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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:24:57 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:24:29 EST


>>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

<snip>

> >Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

>>Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
>>the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
>>In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
>>whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
>>given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
>>believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

>Kevin,

>We run into alleged copyright infringement every day. I know
>of no laws that prohibit the reproduction of _excerpts_ from
>any publication providing there is no intent to profit from
>the endeavor. The wording of copyright protections are a lot
>tougher sounding than the legal ways of backing them up.
>I go to great lengths to obtain permission where it's poss-
>ible.

Excerpts, yes, but whole chapters, no. In fact, as we all go to
the library to copy articles from magazines, we are all engaging
in copyright infringement. While the laws are clear the
enforcement is less clear. I was just suggesting that we all be
careful before we begin to post whole chpaters on the internet.

>When it's not practical, I limit my discussion to brief ex-
>cerpts and/or re-phrasing of the author's message. For in-
>stance, were I to use excerpts from one of your copyright
>works, and you found it necessary to object, I would simply
>cease and desist. ...No law-suit necessary or applicable.

You seem to understand not only the law, but the spirit of
the law which many refuse to understand. Copyright law is
designed to product the authors of specific work from having
that work exploited by others. Again, there is a fair use
doctrine, but many people claim fair use and then engage
in infringement. No, Jack, I'm not suggesting that you are
guilty of that, only attempting to make a point that is
sometimes lost.

>And Jack, what gave you the idea that the newspaper clippings
>from the time would be more accurate than Ruppelt's analysis of
>the situation, especially since you haven't read it? Ruppelt
>seemed to provide an interesting insight into the functioning of
>the UFO investigation in 1952 and gives some clues about the
>thinking at the higher levels. Ruppelt's work is important to
>understanding the whole of the 1952 flap.

>The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
>biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
>and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
>exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
>my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
>that I was there.

>Best regards,

> Jack

Again, what gives you the idea that newspaper articles are
more likely to be less biased. Yes, the journalists talk of
objectivity, but when we begin to look at the tone, we see
their bias showing. As just one example, THE NEW YORK
TIMES, when the Air Force released their first report, wrote
an article claiming that the Air Force had explained the
Roswell case. They did not bother to call me for a quote.
The didn't bother to call Stan Friedman. They didn't seem to
be interested in the other side. Instead, they called some
university professors who suggested that we were writing about
the Roswell crash just to make a living. Not exactly the epitome
of sound journalist investigation. In other words, they had a
bias.

Just a few thoughts.

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                        Re: Criteria for 'Good' info

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:47:45 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:28:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Criteria for 'Good' info


>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:44:11 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

>>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

 <snip>

>>Even the report in the Condon Committee document provides clues
>>even when it is so obviously influenced by the mission of the
>>Committee.

>>KRandle

>Hello Kevin,

>Question from an amateur. How do you (or any UFO researcher) go
>about determining which aspects of a particular report are
>'tainted' (for lack of a better word) by individuals with
>agendas, or "committees?"

Hello John -

I think part of the answer lies with common sense. If we read a
statement by Donald Menzel, we all know, based on his past
history, that he is going to claim either a weather related
phenomenon or a hoax is the answer for the report. We know his
bias.

In other cases, it is somewhat more difficult. We often reject
the data from the Condon Committee because of the overall
conclusions. But, if we read the case studies carefully, we find
them to be in conflict with the overall conclusion. That provides
us with some clues.

However, we must look at all the evidence offered and determine,'
often for ourselves, what we find to be persuasive. Do many of
the witness statements agree, or disagree. Is there something in
the case, physical evidence, that argues for, or against, the
story being told. It is a process of analysis that we each must
undertake.

My standards for accepting or rejedting a tale may be, and
probably are different from yours. That doesn't make me right and
you wrong. I might decide that a case has merit with less
objective evidence or testimony than you. I have my standards and
attempt to use them in analyzing a case.

In the end, it really is just a question of what I believe to be
the truth and why I believe it.

>On the flip side, what criteria do you use to determine what
>parts (may) represent -good- or usable information. It just seems
>to me that an awful lot of random individual interpretation can
>creep into such evaluations unless one has 'established criteria'
>by which they measure the value of data. I was wondering if you
>have a 'system' or something that you use to help you evaluate
>material that you encounter in your research. I'm sure a lot of
>the aspiring "UFO Detectives" on this list would learn alot from
>your answer and benefit from your years of experience.

My criteria is the evidence. Is there good evidence for the
acceptance of a particular case. That evidence can be testimony
of the eye witnesses, photographs, phyical evidence, etc. How
does the whole package fit together. At the risk of starting
another debate, I think the case of Glenn Dennis might be
illustrative.

As you all must know, I accepted the tale told by Dennis at face
value. He seemed to be an honest, sincere man, who provided all
of us with information that fit, generally, into the tale of the
UFO crash at Roswell.

He said that his nurse had been killed in a plane crash that
killed 5 other Army nurses. Okay. I looked through the NEW YORK
TIMES INDEX, starting in July 1947 and carrying through until
1955. There was no record of such a crash. I understand that Don
Berliner did the same thing with THE STARS AND STRIPES and
failed. This raised a red flag but wasn't sufficient to reject
the story.

Other aspects of what he said were checked and failed to produce
positive results. He provided us with the name of the nurse, but
we found no record of her existence. She wasn't in the 509th
YEARBOOK produced in 1947. That, by itself meant nothing because
10 or 20 percent of the people weren't in it. She wasn't in the
base phone book, the unit history, mentioned in the Morning
Reports, a listing of all Army Nurses from that era, or anywhere
else we checked. More red flags.

But the final straw was when confronted with the information, he
said he had never given any of us the right name. A major change
in the story that marked the point where it had to be rejected.

The point is, I guess, that there is no simply answer. We must
examine all the evidence, and continue to examine it as we learn
more. There may come a point where you say, Yes, I believe this,
or No, I reject it.  We all go through that learning process, and
on a question as complex as that of UFO reality, there is no
simple way to do it.

I hope this provides a little insignt.

 >Thanx, just curious. Best of luck to you and Mr Estes with your
> new book.

 >Regards,

 >John Velez

Thanks to you for the kindness about the book.

KRandle








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From: Marie Ivey <jmi@aretha.jax.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:47:25 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:51:56 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97


> From: "Ben Field" <ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO Report - Sighting at sea
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:44:29 -0000


> Did anyone else witness the sighting ?: Yes
> Relationship of witnesses: Co-Workers

> The UFO was sighted for [   ] Minutes: 30

> The UFO Manoeuvred
> The UFO Changed Colour
> The UFO Hovered
> The UFO Rotated

> Was any photographic record made at the time?: Yes, Camera


Where are the pictures?????
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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:39:13 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:52:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/14/98 7:49 AM:
>  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:53:26 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

>  Hiya Mark,

Hey John!

>  As an avid amateur astronomer of long standing I have followed
>  NASA's exploration of the solar system closely. One of the more
>  astounding discoveries (aside from the odd structures in Cydonia)
>  were extinct river beds! Some of these 'river beds' led to basins
>  where water must have stood for long periods in mars' ancient
>  history. Modern theory is that a percentage of the martian water
>  supply is frozen in the polar caps while much may yet lay frozen
>  beneath the surface. It is one of the questions geologists need/
>  want answered.

Yes, well, the problem with the standing water isn't if there
were bodies of water that existed, but if they existed long
enough and stably enough to support the development of life.
Kindest estimates for earth I think require standing water for at
least a half billion years, i.e. oceans. We don't know how long
the water remained in the areas at the ends of the channels -
probably I should have stated it more clearly.

Until we get core samples and have a much better idea of how much
sedimentation occurred in these areas, we will still not know how
long they were there.

And even once life develops, for land based life to evolve will
require that water to stay around for proportionately longer.

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               Extra Terrestrial & Time Travel Hypotheses [was

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:00:57 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:21:29 -0500
Subject: Extra Terrestrial & Time Travel Hypotheses [was

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

>>  From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>>  To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:00:22 -1000
>>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>>  Many physicists think time travel is a viable possibility. As far
>>  as I understand the math (which is about as far as I can toss an
>>  elephant), one cannot exit a wormhole except at the exact time
>>  and place one entered it without creating an insuperable paradox.
>>  But if 'they' are here, either through space or time, that
>>  problem must have been resolved. ...

>Actually, I have never really understood the idea that simply
>traveling in time causes a paradox. ...
>
>Certainly there are things about UFOs which make the time- travel
>hypothesis appealing. Elusiveness, for instance, would seem to be
>a requirement for time travelers.
>
>However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several
>races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents
>point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species.
>That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the
>TTH. ...

Hello Mark,

Someone (me I guess) needed to point out here that the ETH and TTH are not
exclusive categories.  It is more likely, in fact, that ETs who are 10**5 -
10**7 years more evolved than us have capabilities of time travel than that
unknown ancestors on our own Earth, who we must suppose left no traces
behind, had the capability.

So when someone talks about the TTH, they are likely to have time travel by
ETs in mind.

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From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:01:00 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:25:03 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:49:51 -1000

>> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400
>> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>> > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
>> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> > From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> ...

>> > I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
>> > what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
>> > think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
>> > whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

>> > Bob

>> Bob:

>> The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with
>> manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours
>> especially for the 1940s.
>> We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The
>> earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years
>> older than the Sun.

>> We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is
>> the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic
>> manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years
>> ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch
>> their understanding.

>> Stan Friedman

>Aloha Stan....

>While I hesitate to disagree with you (especially since I just
>ordered your new book today and I don't want to risk not getting
>an autographed copy), we cannot be an ET colony unless everything
>living on earth was planted here.  All living terrestrial
>entities are related through DNA, or at least the chemistry that
>evokes DNA/RNA responses, and those responses evolved within very
>specific terrestrial conditions. Even supposing that some ETs
>might have modified the DNA of a group of chimpanzees by 2 or 3
>percent in order to provide an evolutionary 'jump start', this
>seems an unnecessary complication, and the difficulties are
>absolutely staggering. ...

Hello Tom,

A key possibility I keep in mind that could explain it, in
keeping with the ETH, is that every few centuries some of the
visiting ETs not only take samples of our flora & fauna, but
leave samples of their own behind, suitably transplanted.  Those
samples that are compatible enough with what's already here then
may survive.  This then would have occurred countless times in
the past millions of years.

This is only a slight extension to what Shklovskii & Sagan
proposed in their 1966 book, before Sagan closed his mind to
UFOs.

The ETs would have done the same with other habitable planets at
or below our stage of development, since there's no reason to
think that Earth would have been treated in a totally unique way.
And their own home planet would have experienced the same in its
past millions of years.  So there would have been a massive
amount of co-mingling of DNA throughout the galaxies that will
make a nightmare for future Earth biologists to try to sort out.

In the course of all this, there would have been genetic
manipulations performed as well.

The occasional observations of thousands of frogs or fish, etc.,
falling from the sky (but no debris), could be part of this,
since whirlwinds & waterspouts are not viable explanations for
it. The fact that UFOs can render themselves invisible, or remain
invisible, would tie in with this.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:27:14 +0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:28:42 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:38:22 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> >  Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500

> >  Mr. Santilli HAS REPEATIDLY PROMISED HE WOULD EMINENTLY COME
> >  FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF THE ORIGINAL FILM BUT HAS SYSTEMATICALLY
> >  FAILED TO DO SO.  What can be concluded from such an attitude ?

> Serge has hit the "essence" of the fraudtopsy film on the head
> with this comment.

> No matter how the various people talk about and defend the film,
> this is one thing they can't explain or defend.

> I suspect that all the folks who got on the fraudtopsy film
> bandwagon (and continue to defend it to the death) will *never*
> admit that they might have made a mistake by putting their faith,
> trust and reputation on the line for Scamtilli.

> Cheers,
> Robert

Dear Robert,

Not so I'm afraid. If I can prove to myself conclusively enough
that the film is a fraud I will be the first to stand up and
admit I was wrong. I am only human after all and prone to err. As
yet, though, I have not reached this stage.

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                Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens [was: 'The

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:29 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:47:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens [was: 'The

> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800
> Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:23:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> It's even more complicated than one might think.

> DNA carries a large number of sequences of genetic material. In
> any given cell, only a small number of them are active (the ones
> which are useful for that type of cell at that stage in its
> development).

> Some of the inactive sequences cannot, so far as we know, be
> reactivated short of a mutation, while others are temporarily
> blocked by the presence of various substances in the cell (this
> is how cells regulate the production of materials through a
> feedback mechanism which involves a hideously complex chain of
> chemical reactions).

> There are some special sequences, which signal where RNA can
> start transcribing genetic material in the first step of creating
> proteins; other sequences say where that transcription should
> end.

> The sequences used in terrestrial DNA code three for one for
> specific amino acids, and the sequence as a whole tells the cell
> in which order to assemble the amino acids to make a protein. But
> there are many more possible sequences than there are proteins
> used in terrestrial life. Some of the unused sequences have been
> developed through evolution to signal the start and the end of a
> sequence, or to act as spaces between sequences.

> Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
> amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
> elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
> amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
> proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
> especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
> made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
> because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
> on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
> of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
> its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

An easy way of saying this is that species that are gentically
isolated would have no specific use for the genes of the other.
Since horses and chickens can't mate their isn't much benefit in
transplanting genes between the two; however transplanting
between species that are not genetically isolated like horses and
donkeys may produce benefits for either. I suppose the real
question is what are the genetic similarities between us and
aliens that have been here?

Mapping alien DNA or chromosomes would be a fascinating prospect
(assuming aliens actually have DNA). If intelligent aliens are
carbon based, which some probably are than they must have some
type of nucleic acid that's at least similar to Earth lifeforms.

I would imagine that if the occupants of UFO's have proceeded to
mess around with human genetics their ability to manipulate it
would at least parallel their ability to manipulate physics in
ways we don't yet understand. Since this is all speculation here.
I imagine that advanced biological technologies could easily
inhibit promoter sequences of expressed genes through the
administration of repressor proteins to block transcription or
replication. Conversely, sequences that have been deactivated
through, evolution, inheritance, or mutattion could probably be
reactivated by translocating promoter sequences or temporary
re-engineering of polymerases. There could be biochemical
engineering applications that work at the enzyme level that allow
transportation of specific genes from the genome of one cell to
another. If aliens have the technology to do these things they
could map out genetically related birth defects and diseases or
at least reduce the risk since environmental conditions affect
the expression as well as genetics.

Some abductologists have advanced the idea that continued and
repeated abductions serve some purpose related to genetic
breeding and hybridization. If this is the case then their
bio-molecular engineering technology must not be very advanced
because if it was they wouldn't have to continue coming back and
placing themselves at risk. Perhaps repeated abductions, assuming
they actually happen are not related to genetic engineering
directly or at least in a capacity that aliens would be
attempting to acquire genetic information from humans to be used
as some type of resource. Maybe there's another explanation to
account for repeaters.



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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: chabry@simcoe.igs.net [Charles Bryant]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:39:08 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:05:01 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500
>
>>Joel, Bob and LIST,

[snipped]

>>We can OJSimpsonize this case ad nauseam, but in the end (and in
>>the beginning I would say), it is all a matter of integrity.
>>This is "voluntarily Witholding Readily Available Proof", a
>>vWRAP.

>>If you don't see it Bob then, yes, "there is really nothing we
>>can do".

>>Serge Salvaille

>Serge,

>No disagreement from me.  Ray Santilli is one of the most
>frustrating people I have ever had any dealings with, and I can't
>count the number of times he has promised things and not
>delivered.  However, just because the film is in his hands does
>not automatically prove anything.  Ray is Ray, the film is the
>film, and it is a damned shame that the two ever came together.

>As for providing original film, I think this is a matter of
>definitions to Ray.  He has provided pieces of what he bought
>from the cameraman.
>At this point I do not think he has any camera original film, and
>I do not think he ever had any.  He bought copy film from the
>cameraman and copy film is all he has ever seen.

>After a lot of time around Ray and his staff, I have to doubt
>that they are competent to put together a hoax of this magnitude
>and quality, so I am left with the thought that if it is a hoax
>they have been hoaxed as much as any of the rest of us.

>Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still
>the debris footage to deal with.  I treat the film as a whole,
>and there are still many unanswered questions about the
>autopsies, the tent footage, and the debris footage.

>To me it is a fascinating puzzle and that's why I have been
>willing to devote so much time to it.

>Bob

Hello Bob and All:

O.K. I've been a spectator here for several months.  Now it's
time for a question which has always bothered me about this A.A.
film thing which I've never seen discussed. Of course, I could
have missed something or was not paying attention - apologies if
so.

Does anyone really believe, given the extremely tight security
surrounding the events of 1947, that the "cameraman" who shot
this footage would have been allowed to take the stuff home with
him?  We are told that every last tiny scrap of material was
combed (vacuumed?) from the crash site; and witnesses threatened
with their lives for any disclosure about this crash that never
took place. So how did this astounding 'evidence' get liberated?

Any comments?

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                Enhanced Possibility Of Photographing Cydonia

From: jaser7@home.com, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:05:16 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:52:09 -0500
Subject: Enhanced Possibility Of Photographing Cydonia

Received via "alt.alien.visitors" January 14 at 17.41 local Danish time
(GMT + 1 hour):

*******

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:34:21 +0000
From: Jason Martell <jaser7@home.com>
Subject: CYDONIA
Message-ID: <34BC788D.F1B9BD74@home.com>


The Mars Global Surveyor had some problems with opening one of it's
panels. And because of this, it will have to take a slower aerobraking
path to not further damage the solar panel. However, because of this,
there are now MORE chances to photograph Cydonia. They are traveling
closer to Mars with each pass, and they are traveling much slower.
People like Mark Carlotto have analyzed the new flight path and are
already predicting when MGS would be able to snap a shot of Cydonia.
They may have already taken photos! See link------->

(http://www.psrw.com/~markc/MiscArticles/MGSupdate/nerbun.html)

Dr. Malin says this has not happened yet, but promises it will at the
nearest opportunity. Which would be sometime in early MARCH of this
year, 1998. And when we get these photos, some people will still need to
see the Hieroglyphics written on the D&M just to believe these are
actually artificial. The resistance to a new idea is increased by the
square root of its importance!

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                  Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:33:29 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:54:16 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97


> From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:47:04 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFO Report - Sighting at sea - 12-97

> Dear List Members:

> I read the BUFOD story about the UFO surfacing near an oil rig in
> the Gulf of Mexico, just offshore from Corpus Christi, Texas.

> As incredible as it sounds, there may be something to it. During
> the past two weeks, UFO ROUNDUP has received reports of UFO
> activity near Corpus Christi.

> Joseph Trainor
> Editor
> UFO ROUNDUP

Hi Joe,

Is there anybody following up on this event. Christ there's enough
witnesses. One thing though. The witness mentions a drill bit 146 feet
in diameter. That's got to be a typo. Must be 146 inches or less. I
doubt the platform is much bigger than 146 feet if that.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:22:50 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:04:40 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:27:14 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

<brevity snip>

>  Dear Robert,

>  Not so I'm afraid. If I can prove to myself conclusively enough
>  that the film is a fraud I will be the first to stand up and
>  admit I was wrong. I am only human after all and prone to err. As
>  yet, though, I have not reached this stage.

>  Philip.

Dear Philip,

From what you said, you are working from the point of view
that the film is *real* unless proven otherwise.

I am glad to see that you will be the first one to admit that
he made an error.

I am curious about what you standards of *conclusive proof*
are?

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:26:09 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:09:27 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

Kevin, you were saying...

>> >Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

>>>Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
>>>the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
>>>In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
>>>whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
>>>given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
>>>believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

...And I replied...

>>Kevin,

>>We run into alleged copyright infringement every day. I know
>>of no laws that prohibit the reproduction of _excerpts_ from
>>any publication providing there is no intent to profit from
>>the endeavor. The wording of copyright protections are a lot
>>tougher sounding than the legal ways of backing them up.
>>I go to great lengths to obtain permission where it's poss-
>>ible.

>Excerpts, yes, but whole chapters, no. In fact, as we all go to
>the library to copy articles from magazines, we are all engaging
>in copyright infringement. While the laws are clear the
>enforcement is less clear. I was just suggesting that we all be
>careful before we begin to post whole chpaters on the internet.

>>When it's not practical, I limit my discussion to brief ex-
>>cerpts and/or re-phrasing of the author's message. For in-
>>stance, were I to use excerpts from one of your copyright
>>works, and you found it necessary to object, I would simply
>>cease and desist. ...No law-suit necessary or applicable.

>You seem to understand not only the law, but the spirit of
>the law which many refuse to understand. Copyright law is
>designed to product the authors of specific work from having
>that work exploited by others. Again, there is a fair use
>doctrine, but many people claim fair use and then engage
>in infringement. No, Jack, I'm not suggesting that you are
>guilty of that, only attempting to make a point that is
>sometimes lost.

Thank you

You went on to say...

>>And Jack, what gave you the idea that the newspaper clippings
>>from the time would be more accurate than Ruppelt's analysis of
>>the situation, especially since you haven't read it? Ruppelt
>>seemed to provide an interesting insight into the functioning of
>>the UFO investigation in 1952 and gives some clues about the
>>thinking at the higher levels. Ruppelt's work is important to
>>understanding the whole of the 1952 flap.

To which I replied...

>>The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
>>biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
>>and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
>>exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
>>my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
>>that I was there.

>>Best regards,

>> Jack

You then repeated...

>Again, what gives you the idea that newspaper articles are
>more likely to be less biased. Yes, the journalists talk of
>objectivity, but when we begin to look at the tone, we see
>their bias showing. As just one example, THE NEW YORK
>TIMES, when the Air Force released their first report, wrote
>an article claiming that the Air Force had explained the
>Roswell case. They did not bother to call me for a quote.
>The didn't bother to call Stan Friedman. They didn't seem to
>be interested in the other side. Instead, they called some
>university professors who suggested that we were writing about
>the Roswell crash just to make a living. Not exactly the epitome
>of sound journalist investigation. In other words, they had a
>bias.

>Just a few thoughts.

>KRandle


To which I say again...  ...Because I was _there_! I was able to
read the newspaper articles on the spot. The book didn't come out
until years later. That, in my opinion is grounds to consider the
on the spot news accounts as the most accurate source of
information. The book is useful upon reflection, but then, I
didn't know of any such book until recently. Call me stubborn,
but that's just the way I feel about it. The newspaper accounts
were written at the time the events were actually taking place.
The book came along years later after the fact.

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:57:56 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:01:06 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 11:25 AM

> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:01:00 -0800 (PST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
updates@globalserve.net
> From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:49:51 -1000

> >> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400
> >> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> >> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >> > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
> >> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >> > From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> >> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >> > I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
> >> > what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
> >> > think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
> >> > whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

> >> > Bob

> >> Bob:

> >> The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with
> >> manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours
> >> especially for the 1940s.
> >> We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The
> >> earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years
> >> older than the Sun.

> >> We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is
> >> the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic
> >> manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years
> >> ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch
> >> their understanding.

> >> Stan Friedman

> >Aloha Stan....

> >While I hesitate to disagree with you (especially since I just
> >ordered your new book today and I don't want to risk not getting
> >an autographed copy), we cannot be an ET colony unless everything
> >living on earth was planted here.  All living terrestrial
> >entities are related through DNA, or at least the chemistry that
> >evokes DNA/RNA responses, and those responses evolved within very
> >specific terrestrial conditions. Even supposing that some ETs
> >might have modified the DNA of a group of chimpanzees by 2 or 3
> >percent in order to provide an evolutionary 'jump start', this
> >seems an unnecessary complication, and the difficulties are
> >absolutely staggering. ...

> Hello Tom,

> A key possibility I keep in mind that could explain it, in
> keeping with the ETH, is that every few centuries some of the
> visiting ETs not only take samples of our flora & fauna, but
> leave samples of their own behind, suitably transplanted.  Those
> samples that are compatible enough with what's already here then
> may survive.  This then would have occurred countless times in
> the past millions of years.

This would only work if 'they' had dropped in 4.3 BILLION years
ago and dropped methanogens here based on their DNA.  I don't
want to acknowledge that possibility, but I suppose I must.  If
our DNA chemistry were based upon some other viable viable form
of life, presently unknown to us, earth could have been
terraformed.  And we could have sympathetic, if not
interchangeable, DNA. And we might look like some of the ETs, at
least in a very basic way.  But, until the K/T boundary, you
might have thought that they were more interested in reptiles
than humanoids. <grin>

<snip>

> The ETs would have done the same with other habitable planets at
> or below our stage of development, since there's no reason to
> think that Earth would have been treated in a totally unique way.
> And their own home planet would have experienced the same in its
> past millions of years.  So there would have been a massive
> amount of co-mingling of DNA throughout the galaxies that will
> make a nightmare for future Earth biologists to try to sort out.

I will leave this one to Mark Cashman and Jared Anderson.

> In the course of all this, there would have been genetic
> manipulations performed as well.

> The occasional observations of thousands of frogs or fish, etc.,
> falling from the sky (but no debris), could be part of this,
> since whirlwinds & waterspouts are not viable explanations for
> it. The fact that UFOs can render themselves invisible, or remain
> invisible, would tie in with this.

Fish and frogs are usually found in water. You would not expect a
lot of debris. Besides, if a whirlwind could take Dorothy and
Toto to Oz, why couldn't it move a few fish?  The idea of an ET
being able to scoop up a bunch of amphibians and modify their DNA
only to be unable to remember where he got them and drop them on
dry land doesn't appeal to me very much.

Aloha
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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:11:15 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:09:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident of Nature
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:11:26 -0800

>>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/13/98 12:04 AM:
>>  Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:26:11 -0600
>>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>  Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

>>  In this book the Sumerians allege that there was a rogue planet
>>  which had broken away from it's sun and along with it's 12 moons,
>>  it came into our solar system in a giant elliptical orbit which
>>  crossed the paths horizontally of our planets.  Thus on one of
>>  these orbits, it crossed the path of the planet Tiamut, the water
>>  planet.  As it drew closer to Tiamut, let by it's 12 moons, the
>>  gravitational forces of such a giant planet (about the size of
>>  Jupiter) split the planet Tiamut in half.  One half became the
>>  "asteroid belt," and the other half spun off into space and
>>  allegedly settled into the third orbit around our Sun...in other
>>  words, it became the early earth.  AS the planet settled into
>>  place, and began to cool, the waters drained into the low places
>>  and it assumed it's present shape...

>>  It also brought with it, it's moon, Kingu, which is our present
>>  moon.

>There are so many things wrong with this from the point of view
>of orbital dynamics that it is difficult to know where to start.

>First, let's imagine a disturbance that causes a giant planet to
>be ejected from its orbit. Such a disturbance can only be caused
>by the passage of a large mass - in this case, assuming the
>planet to be ejected has Jovian mass, only a VERY close approach
>by a super-Jovian / brown dwarf or a close approach by a star or
>a high mass object such as a neutron star, could cause such a
>disturbance. Unfortunately, said disturbance would certainly
>cause the ejection of the rogue planet's 12 moons, and so that
>part is unlikely.

>But now let's look at the chances that the rogue planet enters
>the solar system. You know that at one time a planetary origin
>theory depended on a passing star close enough to rip a scarf of
>solar material from the sun which condensed into planets. But one
>of the major points which led to the rejection of that theory was
>the nearly infinetesimal chance of a stellar passage sufficiently
>close to cause the effect. Obviously, the chances that a rogue
>planet would enter our solar system are equally remote, unless
>space is full of these things, and there is no evidence that it
>is or ever was. So that's unlikely.

>But let's assume it does these two improbable things before
>breakfast, what about the chances of it passing close enough to
>tidally disrupt a planet, even one made of water? Well, the
>distance required for this, known as the Roche limit, is well
>defined, and is based on mass. It probably is well within a
>million miles for Jupiter. Given the orbital period of giant
>planets, the chances of such a close approach are... well, small.


Mark...

I am not a professional so I can't say there is or is not any
validity to what Sitchin has to say.  However, He is.  I would
like to see you address a message to him, and discuss this with
him.  I would be interested in  reading the conversation you two
would carry on. <G>

>So that's unlikely.

>Then the planet splits in half, and one half breaks up into a
>small number of pieces and the other half stays a unit and
>settles into earth orbit. Well, let's say the split happens.
>Unfortunately, the time needed for such a "earth" to settle into
>a nearly circular orbit is much longer than the age of the solar
>system.

>And as previously mentioned with regard to the rogue planet,
>the  chances that a moon would remain associated with "Tiamut"
>after such a catastrophe is small.

>In short, modern celestial dynamics would consider this an
>unlikely candidate for the method of origin of the solar system.

>Additional problems come from the isotope distribution in the
>solar system, which indicates a common origin for the planets.

So what.  We may find that these isotopes are common to all Sun
Systems and their planets at some point.

AS far as the time frame is concerned, we really are only
guessing at the "age" of our solar system.  I can't really argue
this but, I can admit that I am not smart enought to prove or
disprove what Sitchin writes.  <g>

>>  Well, that is the story which Sitchin says the Sumerian Cuneiform
>>  tablets tell...He is one of only a handful of scholars who can
>>  still read the Sumerian and Babylonian languages today.

>Yes, but many of those scholars dispute his interpretation of the
>writings.

Ah, but that is not unusual.  Just look at the way they dispute
the contentions we have that UFOs are real. <G>

I'm sorry, but I don't give these so called provessional scholars
that much credibility.  They are only working with bits and
pieces of say a million year history.  That can be very
misleading.  What they surmise in one part of the globe may not
apply in another, to an advanced race, separating itself from
those primitive races located elsewhere on the planet.

>>  There is also another theory as to how the artifacts may have
>>  arisen on Mars.  It is theorised that as the Sun spits out it's
>>  planetary system, there exists a "life belt" which each of these
>>  planets passes through over a period of millions of years, or
>>  longer.

>>  It is theorized that the Earth now occupies that space which Mars
>>  occupied during it's "life belt" period.  Thus, Life would have
>>  arisen, mature, advanced, left the planet just as the planet was
>>  moving out of the "life belt, or zone" and possibly migrated to
>>  the Earth, which was just starting to move into that zone, or to
>>  other star or planetary systems elsewhere.

>There's no support for that in any origin theories with which I'm
>familiar. The ability to support life depends on a number of
>factors. Mars probably lost its ability to support life due to
>its low mass, a few large impacts which reduced its atmosphere to
>low pressures, and the lack of a magnetic field, which exposed
>the surface to high levels of UV.

>It is still not clear if Mars ever had standing bodies of water
>that would have lasted long enough to originate life, but it
>seems much less likely that Mars could have evolved a complex
>enough ecosystem to have developed an intelligent life form, and
>to show no trace of that ecosystem today.

WE may find at some point in our future history, that we did not
truly have a good grasp on the mechanics of creation.  We may
well find that we simply parrot the same jargon of the anti-
Scientific community in the 5th through the 19th century, where
the earch was the center of the universe.

Sure we have satellites to gather data, but we still suffer from
the "only kid on the block" syndrone...and although we preport to
be searching for life "out there," we really don't expect to find
it...by we, I am referring to our Scientific Scholastic
Institutions and their clones. <g>

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                    Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:11:19 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:12:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 15:14:02 UT
>From: "Diana Hopkins" <DDBH@classic.msn.com>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation


>>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0600
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC
>>  1952  investigation

>>>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>>>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:45:17 EST

>>>>Hey Jack.

>>>>Thanks for posting your experience in regards to the 1952
>>>>Washington Fly Overs.

>>>>I have studied that case for over 30 years, and I am finally
>>>>glad to have someone come forward who was actually there when
>>>>they were taking place.

>>>>In all the years we have posted in FIDO UFO, I have never
>>>>heard you tell that story.  That doesn't mean that you
>>>>haven't.

>[snipped]

>Ah, seems like someone is trying to jump on our bandwagon - you
>may want to contact this Mike and see if he wants to work with us
>- better to have someone working with us than against us, yes?

>Diana Botsford
>Forum Manager
>UFO Forum
>http://forums.msn.com/UFO

Hi Diana...

I am not new to the UFO field or to UFO UpDates. I have been
around a long time.  I operate Space_Link BBS which carries both
the FIDO BACKBONE and MUFONET BACKBONE. It has been up since
1989.  In fact, I am the only surviving BBS in my town.

I also have a webpage by the same name.

http://www.mindspring.com/~mchristo.com/

It is continuing to be expanded gradually, but still has quite a
bit of info on it at this point.

My library contains about a hundred UFO books; 200+ audio tapes;
300+ video tapes on the subject.

Not to mention my file cabnet and the 3000 or so files I have on
the BBS which cover everything from Astronomy, to Paranormal, and
Metaphysical Files as well as UFO material.

Take care,

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               Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:11:22 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:14:50 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

At 09:13 AM 1/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:26:49 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: Scientist Believes Martian 'Face' Is No Accident Of Nature

[snipped]

>I think it is clear that there is one hell of a lot we do not
>know about this solar system of ours, and each new exploration
>by NASA or the Russians fills in a few more pieces of the puzzle.

>Bob


Yep, I agree Bob.  We are very young in our science.  If we
had developed our science two thousand years ago, and it
remained "unbroken" over this period of time, we might not
be having this conversation.  We may well have the answers
to these questions.

Take care Bob.

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                      Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:23:43 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:34:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:29 -0700
> From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> To: Updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

> > From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800
> > Fwd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:23:01 -0500
> > Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> Some abductologists have advanced the idea that continued and
> repeated abductions serve some purpose related to genetic
> breeding and hybridization. If this is the case then their
> bio-molecular engineering technology must not be very advanced
> because if it was they wouldn't have to continue coming back and
> placing themselves at risk. Perhaps repeated abductions, assuming
> they actually happen are not related to genetic engineering
> directly or at least in a capacity that aliens would be
> attempting to acquire genetic information from humans to be used
> as some type of resource. Maybe there's another explanation to
> account for repeaters.

Sorry, but I can only ripen so many eggs at a time. And, as for
the guys...it takes a certain number of sperm to fertilize one
egg.  So many eggs, so little time! ;-)

Also you assume that our genetics remain constant over a
lifetime. Perhaps in some respects they don't and therefore
samples taken later are different than those taken earlier.
(There's a LOT we don't know.)

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: troodon@netnitco.net [David Orr]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:27:43 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:36:44 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800


>>Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which
>>amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from
>>elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those
>>amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their
>>proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences,
>>especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices
>>made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. And
>>because inhibition of sequences in terrestrial organisms is based
>>on a chemistry which typically blocks the promoter, the chances
>>of a DNA based alien biochemistry being able to use our DNA in
>>its reaction networks seems highly unlikely.

>Mark,

>Absolutely correct.

>And a very good argument against the ETH as an explanation of
>these critters and what they are doing.

>If they evolved here, then the whole scenario changes, and the
>likelihood that their DNA would be compatible becomes quite high,
>indeed.

>This planet is very old, and there are many gaps in the fossil
>record.  We see the past in big disconnected chunks goverened by
>chance.  Intelligent life had many opportunities to evolve prior
>to our appearance.

>And that does not even include other possible terrestrial
>explanations such as time travel, parallel universes, etc.

>I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
>what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
>think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
>whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

>Bob


Or we Earthlings may be extraterrestrial in origin. Who can say
that we are genetically isolated from other solar systems? The
universe may be one big pot of stew and we're all swirling around
in it. Our minimal knowledge- and immense hubris- would lead us
to believe that we are isolated by great distance. Who knows just
how life can perservere through the harsh environment of deep
space? There may be a thousand dormant seeds zipping around
space. And who can claim to understand the capabilities of the
DNA molecule? Perhaps primitive life of a completely different
sort sprouted elsewhere, say one of the gas giants in our own
solar system. The possibilities are endless and all are
fascinating.

Good fortune, safe travels

David Orr

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               'Report on Unidentified Flying Objects' Indexed

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:03:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:40 -0500
Subject: 'Report on Unidentified Flying Objects' Indexed

A couple of questions:

1) Who created the term "UFO"?

2) Can you name the name the author most synonymous with these
   terms: Project Blue Book, UFO, flying saucers, the "Era of
   Confusion", the Washington National Sightings, flaps, 1950's
   the Golden era of UFO's.

Answers to both:
Edward J. Ruppelt - the former head of the United States Air
Force Project Blue Book, the author of "The Report on
Unidentified Flying Objects".

His book  The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects is one of the
seminal books of early UFO history.  Like many books of its era it was
never indexed and that has limited its usefulness to researchers.

Until now...

I am in the final stage of completing an index of this book designed
for researchers and students of the UFO phenomenon.

The index consists of over 1200 words, concepts and terms.
The indexing has been performed by both automated and manual
technique.  A sample of two of the sections of the index is
included at the end of this posting.  The actual index is typeset
and not in ASCII as are the samples.  Pricing for this index has
not yet been determined, at present plans are to include the
indexes for all editions in one publication.

Two editions of The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects have
been indexed:

Ace Books paperback 1956
Fieldcrest Publishing paperback 1965

Also planned for early completion is the Doubleday hardback if I
can locate a copy (or someone will loan me one for a couple of
weeks).

If you have an interest in obtaining a copy of this index please
contact me via email:  galevy@pipeline.com

Many readers of this list are researchers who may be interested
in the index of this book:

1) If you have a specific research interest in this book that you
would like to see incorporated in this index please contact me as
soon as possible.

2) If you are aware of other editions besides the Doubleday, Ace
and Fieldcrest ones I would appreciate any information you can
provide about these editions.

3) I plan to index other books of the "historical era of UFOs",
indications of interest in other titles to be indexed will help
guide their priority.


Here are samples of the indexing for the letters "A" and "R" as
of this date (pre-publication):

A
A-26 aircraft   31
Aberdeen Proving Grounds        143
Air attache     43
Air Defense Command     13, 17, 18, 69, 106, 121, 126, 128,
157, 166, 167, 169, 170, 184, 200, 216, 219, 223, 227, 252, 253, 255,
257, 259, 272, 276, 299, 301, 303
Air Force
Italian 309
Royal Canadian  171
Air Force Base
Andrews         91, 205, 207, 208, 209, 210, 212, 215, 221
Brookley        251, 252
Clinton County  53, 54
Edwards         30, 127, 187, 299
Ellsworth       303
Fairchild       19
Fairfield-Suisun        30
George          126, 127, 177
Godman          44, 45, 46, 52, 53, 64, 115
Goose           191, 192, 194
Hamilton        17, 35, 38, 39, 279
Haneda          243, 248
Johnson         245
Kelly           285
Kirtland        65, 66, 69, 128
Langley         143, 190, 206, 207, 216
Lawson          294, 295, 296
Lowry           190
Luke            298
Maxwell         29
McChord         37
Mitchel         159, 160, 162
Moody           294
Muroc           30, 31, 32
New Castle County       215
Patrick         203, 213
Randolph        184
Reese           128, 131, 133, 136, 137, 142
Robins          56, 295, 296
Wright-Patterson        12, 34, 39, 44, 53, 61, 69, 98, 99, 122,
136, 139, 143, 168, 175, 181, 228, 229, 231, 238, 270, 271, 285, 287,
288, 294, 311, 312
Air Force Letter 200-5  174, 214
Air Technical Intelligence Center       10, 12, 13, 19, 24, 26, 30, 32, 33,
34, 39, 40, 42, 43, 47, 48, 49, 52, 55, 56, 58, 61, 62, 64, 65, 69,
71, 72, 77, 78, 80, 81, 83, 84, 85, 86, 88, 93, 94, 98, 99, 100, 101,
104, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 119, 122, 123, 124, 125, 128, 144,
152, 153, 154, 157, 159, 163, 165, 168, 169, 172, 173, 175, 180, 184,
186, 189, 192, 196, 197, 201, 202, 203, 207, 211, 212, 217, 220, 225,
230, 231, 236, 243, 251, 257, 259, 260, 261, 274, 278, 296, 297, 302,
307
Air traffic controller  208, 210, 211, 216
Aircraft
B-17    85
B-25    17, 30, 35, 37, 39, 129, 191, 231, 237
B-29    12, 56, 113, 114, 115, 136, 170, 291, 311, 312
B-36    101, 114, 129, 224
B-50    163
C-46    25, 27
C-47    55, 66, 96
C-54    108, 109, 192, 194, 195, 245
D-558   299
DC-3    55, 56, 66, 67, 104, 105, 113, 114, 115, 186, 187
DC-6    106, 114, 115, 173
DCF     12
F-51    29, 32, 44, 45, 46, 47, 50, 57, 58, 61, 98, 99, 100, 101, 298
F-61    62, 63
F-80    31, 63
F-86    5, 7, 8, 9, 17, 18, 126, 127, 130, 148, 150, 161, 228,
   229, 294, 295, 296
F-94    14, 59, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 196, 197, 210, 213,
    215, 216, 217, 219, 223, 224, 225, 245, 246, 248, 286
F-94C   181, 219, 221
Hawker Sea Fury 310
KC-97   14
Navion  72
RB-29   311, 312, 313
T-33    6, 122, 123, 147, 189, 190
T-6     29, 92
TBM     60, 159, 160
Vampire jet     308
XP-84   31
Airport
Tokyo International     243
Washington National     115, 204, 205, 208, 211, 212, 215, 223
Alabama
Montgomery      29
Alaska  133, 163, 166, 167
Altitude citation
feet    7, 8, 9, 17, 19, 20, 25, 26, 27, 31, 32, 35, 36, 45,
46, 50, 51, 53, 56, 58, 59, 60, 61, 63, 64, 66, 68, 69, 72, 74, 91,
95, 96, 99, 102, 108, 109, 119, 123, 127, 129, 130, 136, 142, 143,
159, 160, 161, 163, 164, 167, 175, 177, 179, 187,
189, 190, 191, 192, 194, 198, 206, 217, 224, 228, 229, 230, 233, 245,
283, 287, 291, 295, 298, 299, 300, 303, 304, 308, 311, 312, 313
Antarctica      297
Approach distance       8, 17
Arnold, Kenneth 10, 11, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 57, 84, 103
Atomic Energy Commission (AEC)  21, 72, 128, 129, 131, 137, 144, 200,
250, 264


R
Radar   4, 5, 13, 23, 57, 59, 60, 62, 63, 67, 98, 99, 100,
 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 128, 130, 137, 144, 146, 147, 150, 155, 163,
164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 191,
192, 198, 201, 203, 204, 208, 209, 210, 211, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217,
218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 227, 228, 229, 245,
246, 248, 251, 252, 253, 254, 258, 264, 266, 268, 269, 272, 274, 275,
276, 277, 296, 300, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 315, 316
ground clutter  246
inversion       100, 167, 211, 220, 223, 316
lock-on 60, 197, 213, 216, 224, 225, 246
officer 219
operator        12, 99, 120, 121, 147, 164, 165, 166, 198, 210,
211, 213, 215, 219, 221, 224, 245, 246, 296, 315, 316
radarscope      7, 59, 100, 144, 163, 169, 187, 208, 209, 210,
215, 228, 251, 292
radar-visual sighting   252, 253, 254, 277, 310
sighting        7, 147, 167, 185
Radiosonde      191, 229
Rand Corporation        89, 243
Republic Aircraft Corporation   124
River
Potomac 208, 222
Rosengarten, N.R.       13, 123, 124, 125, 147, 151, 172
Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) 171
Russian                         24










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From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:45:36 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:48 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST

> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

> >> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

> > >>>Hey Jack.

> >If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
> >Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
> >Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
> >Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
> >most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
> >the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
> >Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
> >1952 press release describing these events.

> >Gary Alevy

> Hello The List, and hello Gary...

> Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
> it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
> just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
> to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
> accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
> some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
> therein will be found the most reliable of information.
> I have to say this first, then if the book has something
> more to offer... Well, we shall see.

> Regards,

> Jack


Jack,

Kevin Randle has already responded before me but I will add
that I do not consider it "fun" to distribute copyrighted
materials illegally.

Its interesting that you would not consider purchasing one of
the few books that most researchers in this field consider a
seminal book in the history of the UFO phenomenon.  Are you
involved in this field seriously or for "fun"?  Who is your
royal "we"?

As far as Ruppelt's accuracy - almost 40 years of FOIA releases
have backed up what he described back in '56.  Some of the the
material he discusses has still to be released.

If you are looking to newspapers for accuracy consider this, he
describes how and why newspaper reporters were fed information
and managed, that was part of his job.  The discussion of their
exclusion from the control tower at Washington National Airport
is of note.  Remember these were the post-war years and
pre-Watergate.

This book is perhaps one of the five most important in
understanding historical ufology if you don't want to own it
borrow it from the library, I think you will be pleasantly
surprised and challenged by it.


Gary










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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:13:44 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:24:29 EST

> >From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

> >>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >>>>investigation


> The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
> biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
> and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
> exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
> my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
> that I was there.

> Best regards,

> Jack

Jack,

What does that "fact", which you so glibly offer up, mean?

You state you where there, where exactly was that?

What exactly did you witness?

Were you a participant in any of the airport control towers?

Were you a member of one of the intelligence services cleared
for investigation of the sightings?

Gary




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               Tahoe Daily Tribune: Lab Shopkeeper's Notebook

From: ElPatricio <ElPatricio@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:57:46 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:18:59 -0500
Subject: Tahoe Daily Tribune: Lab Shopkeeper's Notebook

[The following is a 'non-subscriber' post - the phone number
 and name check out, according to the Trib Pat is an
 "environmental-writer" -- ebk]
_______________________________

Errol,

I haven't posted to this or any other mailing list before, but
have some information I know your readers will find interesting.
The post will explain everything.

Pat McCartney

Dear UpDates List,

I interviewed Jack Shulman of the American Computer Co. today for
my small regional daily newspaper (which happens to be at Lake
Tahoe). And I wanted to share with this mailing list what he
said, and my impressions.

Personally, I find their story, and Philip Corso's, pointing to
an unexpected direction of UFO research, namely the private
sector. I think you will find what Shulman's goals are as
interesting as I did. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be
much of a way to speed the process up, unless you can help with
their research.

I will be writing about ACC and Corso spoiling Bell Labs' 50th
anniversary of the transistor for my paper, so if anyone has an
informed and opinionated comment they'd like to share, you can
e-mail me or call me at the Trib (530-542-8012).

Anyway, as others have described, interviewing Shulman is quite
an experience. He's extremely voluble, and you really have to
work to break in and ask a question or redirect his monologue.
Gee, kinda reminds me of myself.

Having said that, he's also quite friendly, very open to a point,
and fluent about computers in a way I can only envy. We spoke for
more than 90 minutes, when he returned a call I left in the
morning asking to talk to someone about the company's Roswell
page.

My main interest was to see what kind of care and research they
are exercising with regards to the "lab shopkeeper's notebook"
they acquired that kicked off their current "investigation."

If their claim -- that the notebook is evidence Bell Lab's 1947
"discovery" of the transistor was based on their receiving debris
from a crashed saucer -- proves to be true, than this document
may come close as close to being the smoking gun as anything we
could wish.

When you think about it, it only makes sense that such documents
would surface in the private sector, which by definition is not
under the direct control of the federal government. And, as much
evidence suggests, unacknowledged programs have been privatized
to a large degree over the years.

Following are points he made about the documents, in answer to my
questions.

  1)  The notebook bears the "eyes only" security stamp of the
then-War Department, along with the printed names of Bell Labs
and General Electric.

  2)  Shulman said the notebook wasn't a hardbound diary, but
rather a ring binder with individual pages and reports. Some of
the reports are typed, others are mimeographed or handwritten.

  3)  If I followed him correctly, the consultant's initial
acquisition of a journal came from the "estate of the deceased
shopkeeper."

  3)  The unnamed consultant then somehow acquired 28 boxes of
supporting material, perhaps from inside Bell Labs was the
implication, but he did not specify how. Shulman first said each
box contained 300 pages =97 which would be under 10,000 in all =97
but described the complete collection as 20,000 pages!

  4)  The old cardboard boxes are rotting and some of the papers
in terrible condition. They smell to high heaven, Shulman said.
His staff wear masks and gloves while working with the documents,
and are using sealants and plastics to restore and protect the
pages.

  5)  Because of the instability of the decaying pages, the
investigators have photographed, rather than photocopied them.

  6)  Age analysis (unspecified) has confirmed the age of the
paper as being from early 1940s to 1947, indicating it was
written on different stores of paper.

  7)  A university forensics expert (unnamed) is analyzing the
style of the reports for inconsistencies and other information.

Shulman told me the company is planning some kind of public event
within 90 days, publicizing what it has learned about the
shopkeeper's notebook, and the revolutionary ideas that it may
contain. He was very vague about what he planned to disclose, and
I simply advised him to go with a hired gun public relations firm
that could get the attention of the mainstream media.

During our dialogue, Shulman said his Grand Strategy is to force
the government to make its own disclosure by releasing top secret
information from the notebook and supporting documents =97 at a
rate of one bombshell a month.

"Let's say there are 600 such details in all," Shulman said. "We
can release one a month for 50 years, devastating military
secrecy, until they realize the public losses are so great that
they will have to throw in the towel."

He identified the transcapacitor, announced Dec. 5, and the
photonitron, announced Jan. 4, as the first two exposes. I did
not ask about future announcements.

He said he has given representatives of the major players =97
including the Air Force, National Security Agency, Army
Intelligence and Office of Special Investigations a certain
(unspecified) deadline to come forth, or he will upload the
entire collection of 20,000 pages of documents onto the
Internet.

"If they don't prove the case of Roswell, we'll go public,"
Shulman said.

Shulman describes himself as a patriot who is outraged by the
action of his government (and its contractors). Today's political
leaders, and other keepers-of-the-secret, "have inherited a
responsibility that is outside Constitutional authority," he
said.

In other words, no matter what the original need was to hide
information about the Roswell crash, the government now has an
obligation to reveal it.

"I think the answer to Roswell is apparent," Shulman said. "I
think the answer needs to be disclosed, and the government needs
to own up to it." Shulman said he has made certain his plan to
release the material will not be affected if he is harmed or
thwarted in some other way. "We set up a mechanism, a process
that will outlast me," he said.

He was not so helpful in steering me to people knowledgable about
the notebook or the transcapacitor who are independent of the
American Computer Co., or who have not signed non-disclosure
agreements. I will have to scrape to get comments from other
insiders.

That's the gist of Shulman's remarks.  He is a meteoric speaker,
much given to sprinting away on a tangent until reined in.
Someone who knows more about computers, or the companies and
agencies he talked about, might have gleaned more than I from the
conversation, but, as I say, interviewing Jack Shulman is a
challenge. You'd need at least a weekend to debrief him. At the
end, he was even trying to give me computer advise when I
mentioned my love/hate relationship with computers.

I plan to do more interviews before writing a piece for my paper
within the next two weeks.

I can hardly wait for the ACC story to unfold. The proof, of
course, will be in the successfull operation of the devices the
notebook, but at least we won't have to wait until the
transcapacitor to go into production to learn more.

Pat McCartney
Tahoe Daily Tribune








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                        URLs that may be of interest

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:35:30 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:07:21 -0500
Subject: URLs that may be of interest

While reviewing a recent CIA article related to UFOs on the
Center for the Study of Intelligence (CSI) web page, I found that
there were several unclassified articles that may prove to be of
interest as the call for an end to government secrecy grows.

One article speaks about the problem of maintaining an
intelligence operation in the face of judicial review:

<http://www.odci.gov/csi/studies/96unclas/manget.htm>http://www.o
dci.gov/cs i/studies/96unclas/manget.htm

Another interesting document relates to how the intelligence
community deals with Congress (and Congressional oversight):

<http://www.odci.gov/csi/monograph/lawmaker/toc.htm>http://www.od
ci.gov/csi /monograph/lawmaker/toc.htm

The CSI web site is an interesting one to review, and they have a
couple of publications that are duplicated on line. Their main
page is located at:

<http://www.odci.gov/csi>http://www.odci.gov/csi/

These, of course, relate primarily to the intelligence community
in the US.

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:14:18 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:10:10 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:26:09 EST

 >>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
 >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 EST
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


 >Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

 >Kevin, you were saying...

 >>> >Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

>>>>Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
>>>>the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
>>>>In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
>>>>whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
>>>>given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
>>>>believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

>....And I replied...

>>>Kevin,

>>>We run into alleged copyright infringement every day. I know
>>>of no laws that prohibit the reproduction of _excerpts_ from
>>>any publication providing there is no intent to profit from
>>>the endeavor. The wording of copyright protections are a lot
>>>tougher sounding than the legal ways of backing them up.
>>>I go to great lengths to obtain permission where it's poss-
>>>ible.

>>Excerpts, yes, but whole chapters, no. In fact, as we all go to
>>the library to copy articles from magazines, we are all engaging
>>in copyright infringement. While the laws are clear the
>>enforcement is less clear. I was just suggesting that we all be
>>careful before we begin to post whole chpaters on the internet.

>>>When it's not practical, I limit my discussion to brief ex-
>>>cerpts and/or re-phrasing of the author's message. For in-
>>>stance, were I to use excerpts from one of your copyright
>>>works, and you found it necessary to object, I would simply
>>>cease and desist. ...No law-suit necessary or applicable.

>>You seem to understand not only the law, but the spirit of
>>the law which many refuse to understand. Copyright law is
>>designed to product the authors of specific work from having
>>that work exploited by others. Again, there is a fair use
>>doctrine, but many people claim fair use and then engage
>>in infringement. No, Jack, I'm not suggesting that you are
>>guilty of that, only attempting to make a point that is
>>sometimes lost.

>Thank you

>You went on to say...

>>>And Jack, what gave you the idea that the newspaper clippings
>>>from the time would be more accurate than Ruppelt's analysis of
>>>the situation, especially since you haven't read it? Ruppelt
>>>seemed to provide an interesting insight into the functioning of
>>>the UFO investigation in 1952 and gives some clues about the
>>>thinking at the higher levels. Ruppelt's work is important to
>>>understanding the whole of the 1952 flap.

>To which I replied...

>>>The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
>>>biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
>>and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
>>>exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
>>>my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
>>>that I was there.

>>>Best regards,

>>> Jack

>You then repeated...

>>Again, what gives you the idea that newspaper articles are
>>more likely to be less biased. Yes, the journalists talk of
>>objectivity, but when we begin to look at the tone, we see
>>their bias showing. As just one example, THE NEW YORK
>>TIMES, when the Air Force released their first report, wrote
>>an article claiming that the Air Force had explained the
>>Roswell case. They did not bother to call me for a quote.
>>The didn't bother to call Stan Friedman. They didn't seem to
>>be interested in the other side. Instead, they called some
>>university professors who suggested that we were writing about
>>the Roswell crash just to make a living. Not exactly the epitome
>>of sound journalist investigation. In other words, they had a
>>bias.

>>Just a few thoughts.

> >KRandle


>To which I say again...  ...Because I was _there_! I was able to
>read the newspaper articles on the spot. The book didn't come out
>until years later. That, in my opinion is grounds to consider the
>on the spot news accounts as the most accurate source of
>information. The book is useful upon reflection, but then, I
>didn't know of any such book until recently. Call me stubborn,
>but that's just the way I feel about it. The newspaper accounts
>were written at the time the events were actually taking place.
>The book came along years later after the fact.

>Best regards,

>Jack

Hello, Jack -

I think we might be talking at cross purposes here. Are there
newspaper accounts of events that are more accurate than the
books written years later? Yes.

Are there books that are more accurate than the newspaper
accounts written at the time? Yes.

Does this make one source of information better than the other?
No.

We have to look at everything and evaluate it based on all the
other available evidence. No one source is better than another
until we have the opportunity to evaluate it and place it in
context with the other evidence.

What this boils down to is that we're probably in the same church
and in the same pew, but not necessarily on the same page. Let's
just keep looking at the evidence which will help us sort out the
events of the past.

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:41:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:36:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:01:00 -0800 (PST)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, updates@globalserve.net
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>Hello Tom,

>A key possibility I keep in mind that could explain it, in
>keeping with the ETH, is that every few centuries some of the
>visiting ETs not only take samples of our flora & fauna, but
>leave samples of their own behind, suitably transplanted.  Those
>samples that are compatible enough with what's already here then
>may survive.  This then would have occurred countless times in
>the past millions of years.

>This is only a slight extension to what Shklovskii & Sagan
>proposed in their 1966 book, before Sagan closed his mind to
>UFOs.

>The ETs would have done the same with other habitable planets at
>or below our stage of development, since there's no reason to
>think that Earth would have been treated in a totally unique way.
>And their own home planet would have experienced the same in its
>past millions of years.  So there would have been a massive
>amount of co-mingling of DNA throughout the galaxies that will
>make a nightmare for future Earth biologists to try to sort out.

>In the course of all this, there would have been genetic
>manipulations performed as well.

>The occasional observations of thousands of frogs or fish, etc.,
>falling from the sky (but no debris), could be part of this,
>since whirlwinds & waterspouts are not viable explanations for
>it. The fact that UFOs can render themselves invisible, or remain
>invisible, would tie in with this.

>Jim Deardorff


Jim,

This "seeding" of our planet is something that my old friend
Ivan Sanderson was very interested in.  Of course Fort was the
first to systematically document it.

One thing that particularly intrigued Ivan was that in all of
the cases he could get enough information on, it seemed that the
fish, frogs, whatever, were of unknown species.

I don't think this happens every few centuries, but constantly.

We also have the somewhat mysterious reappearance of species
which science has "known" were extinct in places where their
survival seems highly unlikely.

Again, I'm not sure this implies ET intervention, or even any
deliberate act at all.  Holes between dimensions comes to mind
as one possible explanation.  We do have accounts of people
apparently falling into such holes and simply disappearing.
Maybe they ended up on a parallel earth and, if they survived,
mingled their DNA with the local strain.

This is one reason why I do not fully accept traditional
scientific explanations of evolution.  None of them include this
mechanism in their theoretical basis.  My alternative theory
is called "Punctuated Creationism", and it says that evolution
goes on as normally understood for long periods of time both
here and elsewhere, but periodically a new genetic strain
"falls through" which is so advanced above our local strain that
it disrupts the slow flow of evolution and kick starts things
in a new direction.  Needless to say, my theory has not been
taken seriously by my scientific colleagues.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:41:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:38:41 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: chabry@simcoe.igs.net [Charles Bryant]
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:39:08 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Hello Bob and All:

>O.K. I've been a spectator here for several months.  Now it's
>time for a question which has always bothered me about this A.A.
>film thing which I've never seen discussed. Of course, I could
>have missed something or was not paying attention - apologies if
>so.

>Does anyone really believe, given the extremely tight security
>surrounding the events of 1947, that the "cameraman" who shot
>this footage would have been allowed to take the stuff home with
>him?  We are told that every last tiny scrap of material was
>combed (vacuumed?) from the crash site; and witnesses threatened
>with their lives for any disclosure about this crash that never
>took place. So how did this astounding 'evidence' get liberated?

>Any comments?

>Charles Bryant
>chabry@simcoe.igs.net


Charles,

Good point, and one of the main ones which bothers me about the
story.  Even Ray Santilli has characterized this part of the
cameraman's tale as "nonsense".

No, his tale of how he came to have the film makes no sense at
all.  So, here are the possible explanations I can think of:

A/  Assuming the film is real:
    1. He somehow stole it, after filming it.

    2. He is not the cameraman at all, but an opportunist who
       somehow came into possession of this film and made up
       the story surrounding it.
    3. He is a govt agent and this is part of a controlled
       release.

B   Assuming the film is a hoax:
     1. He is a hired actor and someone else wrote the story
        after reading up on Roswell

     2. He is part of the group that put together the hoax.

     3. He is an opportunist ho somehow stumbled onto this
        film and made up a good yarn to sell it.  In this
         case he may not know himself what it is.
     4. He is a govt agent, and the govt faked the film for
        their own reasons.

Now I have no idea which of the above is true, if any.  Remember
that I think he does not have the camera original film.  If he
really is the cameraman, then he must have made unauthorized
copies of the original and somehow smuggled them out of the
base.

I really want to talk to this man, and I have been repeatedly
promised that he will phone me, but so far no contact.

Bob










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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:44:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:43:12 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:27:14 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>Dear Robert,

>Not so I'm afraid. If I can prove to myself conclusively enough
>that the film is a fraud I will be the first to stand up and
>admit I was wrong. I am only human after all and prone to err. As
>yet, though, I have not reached this stage.

>Philip.


Well said, Philip!!!

I am fully in agreement with your position.

Bob










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                        Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:37:23 -0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:47:28 -0500
Subject: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

Dear colleagues and friends,

Can anyone among you give me a hand to complete the biographical
entry about Dr. John Mack for my Encyclopedia of UFOs and
Anomalous Aeroespatial Phenomena ?

I need:

1 - His complete name;

2 - His place and date of birth;

3 - His educational background;

4 - Why/when first became involved in UFO/abduction research;

5 - Complete list of published books (Titles; name of editors;
    city of editors and year of printing).

Thanks for your assistance.

Best regards,

Philippe Piet van Putten
abp1@uol.com.br
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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:45 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:48:52 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 7:05 PM

> From: chabry@simcoe.igs.net [Charles Bryant]
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:39:08 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
> >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> >>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500

<snipped>

> Does anyone really believe, given the extremely tight security
> surrounding the events of 1947, that the "cameraman" who shot
> this footage would have been allowed to take the stuff home with
> him?  We are told that every last tiny scrap of material was
> combed (vacuumed?) from the crash site; and witnesses threatened
> with their lives for any disclosure about this crash that never
> took place. So how did this astounding 'evidence' get liberated?

Although I believe the film is fraudulent, I must respectfully
disagree with this argument, Charles.  How does someone wander
into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom?  How does a private pilot blunder
through the Soviet air defenses and land in Moscow?  This
fallacy, the assumption of bureaucratic competence, probably
props up more conspiracy theories than all the others put
together.  The idea that they would nail everything down tight
and then let some flunky stroll home with the film strikes me as
exactly the way things happen in real life.

Kind regards,

Keith



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                      Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:59:05 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:50:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:49:29 -0700
> From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> To: Updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Molecular Genetics and Aliens

> Some abductologists have advanced the idea that continued and
> repeated abductions serve some purpose related to genetic
> breeding and hybridization. If this is the case then their
> bio-molecular engineering technology must not be very advanced
> because if it was they wouldn't have to continue coming back and
> placing themselves at risk. Perhaps repeated abductions, assuming
> they actually happen are not related to genetic engineering
> directly or at least in a capacity that aliens would be
> attempting to acquire genetic information from humans to be used
> as some type of resource. Maybe there's another explanation to
> account for repeaters.

When we perform experiments on animals, it is advantageous to use
those of known genetic composition, so we typically use highly
in-bred mouse strains that are virtual clones of each other.  If
these were not available, we would have to keep performing
experiments on the _same_ mouse.

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                   Re: The Prophets Conference - Strieber

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:19:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:02:25 -0500
Subject: Re: The Prophets Conference - Strieber

>From: prophets@maui.net
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:50:59 -1000
>To: axiom@aloha.net
>Subject: NOTES FROM THE PROPHETS CONFERENCE - WHITLEY STRIEBER

>You may find out what was exactly said at The Prophets
>Conferences in Los Angeles and Phoenix by Whitley Strieber and
>the others in this extraordinary group of today's leading
>messengers, by visiting:

>http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/tapes.html

>Another of the outstanding Prophets Conference messengers was
>Peter Gorman:
>visit
>http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/amazon.html

Hello All,

'Profits & Me$$enger$'

This post really rattled my cage! Allow me a 'rant' if you
please.

(Pope to Michaelangelo: "When will you make it end?")

"Prophets Conference, . . . Prophets, Messengers!?" What a load
of pure unadulterated bullsh*t! These New Age priests, prophets,
and messengers may be oh so 'heavy', and 'deep' and 'out there'
but back here on earth it's all about good old fashioned
greenbacks and blind -unquestioning-unthinking- followers!

John the Baptist was a "prophet", Mohummad was a "messenger"
could someone please explain where Whitley Strieber and Gorman
fit into that noble lineage? I find it the height of egotism and
pretention to allow oneself to be presented as a "messenger" at a
"prophets conference." If all of this wasn't so serious I'd be
laughing my ass off.

Nah, I'll laugh anyway these (side-show clowns) -are- funny.

Loaded words like, 'prophet' and 'messenger'  are chosen
-intentionally- by the marketing dropouts that sponsor and run
these 'side shows' and for the same reasons an alleged science
reporting program calls a segment on abduction, "Kidnapped by
UFO's" for -RATINGS AND SENSATIONALISM !-

Translation: Ratings and sensationalism = "Mo people means Mo
money!"

Because they are on the pro-UFO side of the fence does not excuse
them.

I don't hear anyone criticizing Strieber for the same infractions
that people find so offensive when they come from a skeptic!
Baloney is baloney no matter what deli you buy it in. I'm
starting to get a little tired of saying that unless we demand
the -best- from -all- of those who claim to represent us in this
field, we're always going to be dismissed as frivilous air heads
with nothing of real substance to offer. "Prophets" and
"messengers" indeed! They ought to be ashamed of themselves or at
least know better. All it does is lend a 'carnival atmosphere' to
something of urgent import for all of us.

Example: You are a person that has just learned of the details of
the 'abduction scenario/pattern' that is being reported by so
many people. As you read this information you begin to realize
that you yourself recall these very same odd and unexplained
experiences. You slowly start to blow a gasket as you begin to
question your own sanity for even contemplating such a
possibility. Fear, confusion and a completely unsettled feeling
replaces your normal daily composure. You can now think of
-nothing else- finding an answer rapidly becomes obsession.

At some point you realize that you have a thousand questions that
you need answered, -and immediately-! Relief from the torment of
the internal hell of self-doubt and fear that you suddenly find
yourself in is urgent. You know that if you tell your doctor or
your wife or friends that they are going to cock their heads over
to one side the way that dogs and people do when they don't
understand or can't relate so, . . . you contact say a "Whitley
Strieber" for info and advice because you saw one of his books
and you figure, hey maybe this guy will understand and not laugh
me off.

Pay attention here!

What you will be greeted by is a fee of $50 for a half hour
audience before you can speak to the "prophet" (or is it
"Messenger?") about your 'problem!'

No lie, "I kid you not" as my beloved Jack Paar used to say. Old
Whit is charging Park avenue, New Yawk psychiatrist prices for
his time as if he shared their credentials and experience or even
had anything of value to offer these tormented souls.

So you tell me, is the 'prophet' concerned with souls or
greenbacks? Is 'He' interested in the lives that God has placed
in his path or in their disposable income. You be the judge. I've
just had a belly full of the Boylans and the Hoaglands and now
Strieber who sell out for few pieces of silver and leave all
rationality -far behind- in the wake of their collective money
making dust.

Well we pay the price! They make us all look like mindless boobs,
oportunists, and followers in the eyes of the
uneducated/uninformed masses. As long as we allow this and
support it with $ it will continue unabated and will -continue to
muddy already murky waters.-

Just my seventeen cents!

John Velez, (Common abduction experiencer who has *-no idea- whats
-really- going on.)

*See Whit, it's not so hard to say, (and BTW) No charge dude! <EG>


























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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:02:08 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/15/98 9:09 AM:
>  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:11:15 -0600
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

>  >Additional problems come from the isotope distribution in the
>  >solar system, which indicates a common origin for the planets.

>  So what.  We may find that these isotopes are common to all Sun
>  Systems and their planets at some point.

No, that's not how it works. The distribution of isotopes is the
issue, and is related to the temperatures of the early solar
system. I refer you to either Arrhenius and Alfven's seminal text
for NASA or to Dermott's The Origin of the Solar System from
Wiley.

>  AS far as the time frame is concerned, we really are only
>  guessing at the "age" of our solar system.  I can't really argue
>  this but, I can admit that I am not smart enought to prove or
>  disprove what Sitchin writes.  <g>

No, we're not guessing. That's not how science works. A large
number of independent chains of evidence have been used to
develop the solar system chronology, and the time it takes for an
orbit to regularize after capture is well understood - partly
because of the intense examination it received in the origin of
the moon debates. Even a nearly parallel orbit capture barely
fits into the age of the solar system, much less a tranverse
capture.

>  >>  Well, that is the story which Sitchin says the Sumerian Cuneiform
>  >>  tablets tell...He is one of only a handful of scholars who can
>  >>  still read the Sumerian and Babylonian languages today.

>  >Yes, but many of those scholars dispute his interpretation of the
>  >writings.

>  Ah, but that is not unusual.  Just look at the way they dispute
>  the contentions we have that UFOs are real. <G>

Actually, those scholars have nothing to do with the UFO debate.
They simply take issue with his interpretations.

That his interpretations are at variance with theirs does not
give him more credibility.

>  I'm sorry, but I don't give these so called provessional scholars
>  that much credibility.  They are only working with bits and
>  pieces of say a million year history.  That can be very
>  misleading.  What they surmise in one part of the globe may not
>  apply in another, to an advanced race, separating itself from
>  those primitive races located elsewhere on the planet.

Scholars of ancient languages are quite specialized, but they
know their business. As do the planetologists who have worked on
origin questions.

I can't see any reason to give more credence to a purported
legend from a long gone people with a very primitive technology
over the work of professional scientists with modern tools.

We won't get far rejecting the parts of modern science we don't
like. That's the kind of thing that justifiably gets professional
scientists laughing at us.

>  WE may find at some point in our future history, that we did not
>  truly have a good grasp on the mechanics of creation.  We may
>  well find that we simply parrot the same jargon of the anti-
>  Scientific community in the 5th through the 19th century, where
>  the earch was the center of the universe.

>  Sure we have satellites to gather data, but we still suffer from
>  the "only kid on the block" syndrone...and although we preport to
>  be searching for life "out there," we really don't expect to find
>  it...by we, I am referring to our Scientific Scholastic
>  Institutions and their clones. <g>

Yes, well that may be comforting to those of us who want belief
rather than knowledge, but knowledge comes from extending the
work of science, not rejecting it.

I agree that there will be a future science, and that it will
know things which we don't, and some parts of what we think has
been established will have been rejected. I don't expect that to
happen to fundamental concepts - even relativity and Newtonian
mechanics coexist.

But the way improvement in science gets done is in the context of
science. When the geocentric theory was rejected, it wasn't on
the basis of belief or on the basis of some tattered legend. It
was done because the predictions of the new better fit reality
than the predictions of the old.

The material under discussion doesn't account for the presence
and structure of the solar system even as well as existing theory
- in fact, it is contradicted by most of what we know. And, for
that matter, the legend it supposedly derives from is based on an
ancient culture, who science was clearly less advanced than ours.
So maybe this is where "they" find that they really didn't
understand the universe.

I can understand why some of us are angry against "establishment"
science for ignoring what we consider to be an important problem.
But the answer is to be more scientific, not less.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront
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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:57 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:11 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

<snip>

>Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

>Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
>the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
>In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
>whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
>given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
>believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

<snip>

>KRandle

Hard as it may be for some of us to remember or admit, 1956 was a
long time ago, more than 40 years by my crude calculations. (My
Ace paperback copy of Ruppelt's book carries a 50 cents cover
price.) In other words, I suspect the book may well be in the
public domain. If it is, not only could you copy it with
impunity, you could reprint it if you had a mind to.

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                         Re: Sighting at sea - 12-97

From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:02:45 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:31:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Sighting at sea - 12-97

Folks,

Regarding the recent report posted here of the huge UFO
supposedly observed off the Texas coast near Corpus Cristi:

>From: "Ben Field" <ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO Report - Sighting at sea
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:44:29 -0000

>I thought this may be of interest to some of you, again it is a UFO
>Report reported on the B.U.F.O.D. Space, Above and Beyond website :

>http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk

>All the best....Ben Field
>ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk

> <report text snipped - see above web site>

I forwarded this report to an old college friend of mine now at
NASA/Marshall.  I thought his response (below) was worth posting
to the list.  He makes some good points.  Any report this
dramatic should make ripples somewhere.  If not, it has to be
suspect.  There were 250 supposed witnesses and cameras as well.
So as the ad says, "Where's the beef?".  I'm not saying its
bogus, but it should be taken with a grain of salt until
corroborating evidence appears.  (Sorta like an autopsy film most
of us are acquainted with :-)
_____

To: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
From: ***** <*********.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: interesting sighting
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:26:56 -0600

Brian,

This just can't have happened.  For one thing, I have no idea
what the guy is talking about when he mentions a "bore" "140.65
feet thick" that "drills the hole into the ocean floor."  Oil
drill stems aren't within two orders of magnitude of that
diameter.  Next, if something disabled a drill rig 30 miles off
Corpus it would be international headline news that very night --
we're talking many thousands to millions of dollars of damage to
a private company.  If no one else, at least their insurance
company would be mounting a huge investigation as to how the
damage was done.  And 30 miles off shore is about twice the
distance to the horizon, so a huge craft lifting off would become
visible in Corpus itself after rising only a few tens of feet
from the surface.

Again, think of it.  Kilobucks of damage, maybe more, and 250
witnesses, and this DOESN'T make the news except on a ufo
website?  It ain't reasonable!

_____

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:23:43 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:34:22 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

Hello the list and to Gary...

>Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:16 -0500 UFO UpDates - Toronto
>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:13:44 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:24:29 EST

>> >From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
>> >To: updates@globalserve.net
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

>> Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

>> >>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> >>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>> >>>>investigation

>> The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
>> biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
>> and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
>> exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
>> my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
>> that I was there.

>> Best regards,

>> Jack

>Jack,

>What does that "fact", which you so glibly offer up, mean?

Glibly? Well, you sure do set the tone for this discussion,
don't you?

>You state you where there, where exactly was that?

I was a resident at 1434 Harvard St. N.W., Washington, DC

>What exactly did you witness?

The reaction of the people around me. ...The news on the
radio. The headlines in the Washington Post.

>Were you a participant in any of the airport control towers?

No. If I had been a participant, I would have said so in one
of my earlier posts. However, I know what the public reaction
was. It was exciting, but not scary.

>Were you a member of one of the intelligence services cleared
>for investigation of the sightings?

No. Please make your point.

>Gary


What? Just plain Gary?  ...No polite sign-off like "Regards"?

Regards,

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:44:51 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:22:50 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:27:14 +0000
> >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> <brevity snip>

> >  Dear Robert,

> >  Not so I'm afraid. If I can prove to myself conclusively enough
> >  that the film is a fraud I will be the first to stand up and
> >  admit I was wrong. I am only human after all and prone to err. As
> >  yet, though, I have not reached this stage.

> >  Philip.

> Dear Philip,

> >From what you said, you are working from the point of view
> that the film is *real* unless proven otherwise.

> I am glad to see that you will be the first one to admit that
> he made an error.

> I am curious about what you standards of *conclusive proof*
> are?

> Cheers,
> Robert

Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
or the other.

Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
(there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
you ?

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From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:23:43 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:42:37 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

Hello the list and to Gary...

>Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:48 -0500 UFO UpDates - Toronto
>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:45:36 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
>> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST

>> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
>> >Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>> >investigation

>> >> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>> >> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> >> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
>> >investigation

>> > >>>Hey Jack.

>> >If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
>> >Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
>> >Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
>> >Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
>> >most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
>> >the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
>> >Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
>> >1952 press release describing these events.

>> >Gary Alevy

>> Hello The List, and hello Gary...

>> Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
>> it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
>> just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
>> to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
>> accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
>> some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
>> therein will be found the most reliable of information.
>> I have to say this first, then if the book has something
>> more to offer... Well, we shall see.

>> Regards,

>> Jack


>Jack,

>Kevin Randle has already responded before me but I will add
>that I do not consider it "fun" to distribute copyrighted
>materials illegally.

Who has done that?

>Its interesting that you would not consider purchasing one of
>the few books that most researchers in this field consider a
>seminal book in the history of the UFO phenomenon.  Are you
>involved in this field seriously or for "fun"?  Who is your
>royal "we"?

I am not a UFO investigator, if that's what you mean. However, I
am the moderator of the Fidonet UFO conference, and have been
involved with UFO group discussions for more than 40 years,
either from a "fun" standpoint, or as an overseer of discussion
groups.

>As far as Ruppelt's accuracy - almost 40 years of FOIA releases
>have backed up what he described back in '56.  Some of the the
>material he discusses has still to be released.

>If you are looking to newspapers for accuracy consider this, he
>describes how and why newspaper reporters were fed information
>and managed, that was part of his job.  The discussion of their
>exclusion from the control tower at Washington National Airport
>is of note.  Remember these were the post-war years and
>pre-Watergate.

>This book is perhaps one of the five most important in
>understanding historical ufology if you don't want to own it
>borrow it from the library, I think you will be pleasantly
>surprised and challenged by it.

That's nice to know. If you are really interested in the extent
of my UFO interests, drop a note of inquiry to Stanton Friedman.
He may be able to attest to the seriousness of my interests.

>Gary

Regards,

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                          Re: The Lesotho Incident

From: Ralf Zeigermann <kag15@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:06:29 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:46:00 -0500
Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident


>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:57:47 +0200
>From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The Lesotho Incident

>I will be corresponding with Cynthia within the next few weeks,
>so I will be able to supply you with her testimony, but from what
>I understand, the self-proclaimed Military Intelligence operative
>that supplied the "proof" did not pass the bullshit test. The
>person in question, an androgynous item called Van Greunen,
>couldn't pass serious scrutiny.

Van Greunen is a fraud, everybody knows that and I am rather sure
that Joachim Koch is aware of that.

Since Joachim (who was or still is quite heavily involved in the
case or better: the clarification of the case) has promised some
new material, why don't we all just wait and see?

Cheers,

Ralf

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Eygptian Director of the Giza Plateau, Dr. Zahi Hawass, was on
Art Bell radio show for 2Hrs Wednesday , the night of 14-JAN-98.

I also heard the entire show; Mr. David Billington has already
given a very good synopsis (re-posted below); I can attest to his
reporting accurracy. I will give further quotes from Zahi Hawass,
and some of my own commentary.

.jj. <Jon D. Jefferson

-----------------------------------------------

From: davidpb@leonardo.net (David Billington)
Subject: Dr. Hawass
-----------------------------------------------

I just finished listening to the two-hour interview with Zahi
Hawass on American radio (1/14 between 10-12 PM).  The
interviewer, Art Bell, asked Dr. Hawass (1) why permission to
drill the cavity under the front Sphinx paw has been denied, (2)
whether the wellshaft between the Sphinx and the Khafra Pyramid
has been excavated in the last seven days, (3) what has been
going on in the Khufu Pyramid, (4) whether any evidence of a
pre-existing civilization has been found at Giza, and (5) whether
there is any connection between Giza and the American space
agency NASA or the alleged pyramids on Mars.  There were some
other matters but I think these were the main points covered.

On (1), Hawass observed that Stanford Research Institute drilled
the location under the front paw in 1977 and found nothing, so
another penetration of the rock was unnecessary.  More definite
evidence than radar or sonar would in his view be needed to
justify any further drilling in the Sphinx enclosure.  Apparently
Dr. Schor never had a license in his own name to visit Giza;
Florida State University had the license and still has it
according to Dr. Hawass.

On (2), the "sarcophagus lid" that Boris Said and Tom Dobecki
found in the wellshaft 100 feet down was apparently lifted last
week and nothing was found underneath except the water table,
although later in the interview Hawass said that further
exploration might occur.  He did not explain, nor did Bell ask,
exactly what this "sarcophagus lid" was.  Bell apparently learned
of this excavation privately and sprang it on Hawass, but
apparently the latter already knew about it and said that the
excavation was connected with routine work of some kind.

On (3), Hawass disclosed that his staff had cleaned the chambers
above the King's Chamber to look for inscriptions.  I was unable
to hear or understand exactly what he said but he seemed to be
saying that nothing anomalous was found.  There may have been
some inscription that prompted the cleaning, which entailed the
removal of some dust or stone.  Hawass also disclosed that he is
now planning to open the Gantenbrink door.  The Khufu Pyramid
will be closed for six months in 1998 for work to undo the
humidity damage of tourism, although he said that New Age groups
would be allowed in for brief periods to meditate.
Archaeological work will also continue in the Khufu Pyramid
during the restoration.

On (4), Hawass stated that to this date no evidence of Atlantis
or another preexisting civilization has been found at Giza.  He
declared his willingness to accept such evidence if any appears.

On (5), Dr. Hawass said he has never met a NASA official and that
he knew of no connection with Mars.

Dr. Hawass will attend a cruise along the west coast of North
America that will go up to Alaska in May.  The cruise will
include a debate moderated by Bell that will include Hancock,
Bauval, Ed Krupp, and the American psychic Dannion Brinkley.

The impression I had was that Dr. Hawass wants to address the
concerns that have been raised abroad about Giza archaeology and
he wants to dispel the unfavorable public image he has acquired
among those with such concerns.  I had the impression that Hawass
was tactful with some details but that he was not really
concealing anything of importance, although it is possible that
he thought the wellshaft might have been connected to something
of interest.  Bell didn't press him about this.

The debate on a cruise ship near Alaska (an unusual place to
debate Egypt)(but no more unusual I suppose than anything else
surrounding Giza!) next May will hopefully bring a fuller airing
of the controversies in recent years if Dr. Hawass attends.  I
would expect the results to be made public.  I will be revising
my own web update page to delete some things now.

Cheers,
David
---------------------------------------------------------------

It should be noted here that Art Bell referred to himself as a
"moderator" , not really as a journalist doing a true indepth
investigative report; this has to do with the "cruise debate"
referenced above. Thus, many significant points that were raised
during the interview that warranted followup questions , were not
followed through very thoroughly. Cause in point #1.: the
Gantenbrink Door in the Queen's Chamber of the Great Pyramid.
Hawass said that they are "in progress of trying to find out what
is behind the door. We will know what is behind it by May of this
year."

Something so important an issue as this begs the followup
questions, such as: are the Egyptians going to do so by
themselves? HOW? Is such work in progress at this time? If not ,
WHEN, and by WHOM?. No such questions were asked, and NO further
details were given by Mr. Hawass, even after one caller brought
up the subject for further clarification. It seems to me that
Bell would rather have such information released to the public on
the May cruise, which he heavily advertises on his show.

On John A. West, Hawass had this to say: "I have nothing against
him personally. I am not his enemy". He went on to say that West
would be granted exploratory accsess to the Giza sites, only if
he was associated with an already accredited University or
Institution recognized by the Egyptian Government. When asked by
Bell as to the status of Robert Bauval and G.Hancock, the answer
was the same. Mr. West has publicly confirmed the above. Hawass
also stated that these people would never be denied access to the
Giza sites as individuals. "They are always allowed accsess to
Giza", he said.

Some further, general quotes by Dr. Hawass:
-------------------------------------------

The Luxor massascre: "An accident. It will never happen again,
because security is now very tight".

On alledged on-going secret excavations, and "coverups", at Giza:

ZW: "I try to reveal the truth. My mission is to reveal the truth".
    "I am not a bad guy. I am not hiding evidence".
     However, "when I discover something, I don't announce it in
     the first minute", he said.
     "If there ever is anything [new] found [while excavating], we
     will let the people know".
     "I don't want to drill a hole for a TV movie; I want to drill
     a hole for science".

On the Sphinx:
ZW: "On the north side is a tunnel, first opened in 1926.
     We would like to reopen it again, to go underneath the
     Sphinx".

     (no further details on this, either).

ZW: "No one [is stopping me from doing any new excavations]; I
    had to restore the 'sick' Sphinx. The Sphinx is [now] smiling;
    the Sphinx is saved; the Sphinx is restored, and is to be
    reopened to the public again".

ZW: "We are just guardians of the monuments. They belong to the
    whole world". "Anyone who wants to enter the Great Pyramid will
    be granted access. New age groups are welcome".
    "The pyramids were plundered. There is evidence that they were
    tombs, representing the power of the Pharoahs".
    "When I enter inside the Great Pyramid, I feel like I am entering
    the most sacred place in the world. The pyramids and the Sphinx
    should have dignity and respect ; power and magic".

The pyramids were built as a "national project of the Egyptian
peoples", said Hawass, when questioned by Bell as to who he
thought built them.

On the newly opened Tombs of the Workers, Dr. Hawass stated that
"the bones and skeletons: they are all Egyptians. Genetic studies
will be done by the Univeristy of Hawaii, beginning later this
month".

As to the alledged secret excavations in the GP's relieving
chambers, Hawass had this to say: "We were just cleaning the five
rooms. I found only one inscription, nothing else. I did not find
anything else. The five rooms where full of stones, and I cleaned
them out, that's all".


Art Bell: "Has there ever been anything discovered at Giza that
          goes against orthodox Egyptology?".

Z.Hawass: "Not one single piece of evidence to prove anything of
          a 'lost civilization. Not one piece of evidence of Atlantis.
          Nothing". "If I am [proven] wrong, fine. Until you prove to me
          that I am wrong, I am right. You have to prove to me 100% that
          there is something [else] there. I am not trying to hide
          anything".

Art Bell: "Have NASA officials ever bben to Giza that you have met?"

Z.Hawass: "No. Never any officials, only Egyptologists. I never met
          anyone from NASA. Ever".

---------------------------------------------------------------
Commentary:

I agree with David Billington's assessment that Zahi Hawass is
intentionally playing "nice", mending fences with everyone, and
to clear his "bad-boy" despot reputation with the international
community. He now knows that this is the only way to gain
world-wide acceptance of his own work, and given the drastic
cut-back in tourism due to the Luxor massacre, this must be with
the insistance of the Mubarak government also. They need the cash
flow of foreign dollars, and the Giza Plateau still remains the
key linchpin for tourism. It is in Egyptian national interest
that Mr. Hawass now be cordial to well known independent writers
and researchers, as well as the general public for that matter.
The tragedy at Luxor has seen to that. Horrible as those deaths
were, perhaps their legacy to the world will be that a crack in
the secretive door of Ancient Egyptian explorations has now
opened up.

We must now continue to watch how the story unfolds as to the
Ganterbrink Door and the still undisclosed further exacavations
in and around the Sphinx area. This latest interview to a wide
American radio audience failed to get the answers we still are
all awating from the newly rehabilitated "nice-guy" , the ever
elusive Dr. Zahi Hawass.







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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:37:17 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:50:01 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:57 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> >From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> <snip>

> >Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

> >Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
> >the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
> >In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
> >whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
> >given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
> >believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

> <snip>

> >KRandle

> Hard as it may be for some of us to remember or admit, 1956 was a
> long time ago, more than 40 years by my crude calculations. (My
> Ace paperback copy of Ruppelt's book carries a 50 cents cover
> price.) In other words, I suspect the book may well be in the
> public domain. If it is, not only could you copy it with
> impunity, you could reprint it if you had a mind to.

> Dennis


Aloha All.....

Since everyone seems to be unsure, I'll clarify it a little.

Prior to Jan 1, 1978, copyright was secured on the date of
publication, or on the date of registration if the work was
registered in unpublished form. Copyright extended for 28 years
from the date it was secured.  During the 28th year, the
copyright could be renewed for an additional 28 years.  The
current copyright law extended the renewal term to 47 years for
copyrights that were in effect on Jan 1, 1978.

That same law, effective Jan 1, 1978, made copyrights effective
for the life of the author plus an additional 50 years.

More information is available at:
http://www.loc.gov/copyright.

I wish the UFO issue were that easy to resolve...:)
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From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:46:33 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:51:55 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:14:18 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


> > From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:26:09 EST

>  >>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>  >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 EST
>  >>To: updates@globalserve.net
>  >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

<snippp>

> Hello, Jack -

> I think we might be talking at cross purposes here. Are there
> newspaper accounts of events that are more accurate than the
> books written years later? Yes.

> Are there books that are more accurate than the newspaper
> accounts written at the time? Yes.

> Does this make one source of information better than the other?
> No.

Aloha Kevin...

This the first time I have heard the argument that _more
accurate_ information is not better than _the other_ types of
information. While I agree that all real information is worthy of
consideration, the most accurate information is always the best,
and that is what people look for. Otherwise, what is the point of
gathering it at all? You could never find out the truth about
anything. Is that really what you meant to say?

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                      AP: Mars' Life May Be From Earth

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:39:59 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:57:54 -0500
Subject: AP: Mars' Life May Be From Earth

From: AOL News <AOLNews@aol.com>
Subject: Mars' Life May Be From Earth
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:39:44 EST


Mars' Life May Be From Earth

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Organic chemicals found in a Martian rock may
be contamination from Earth and not evidence of life on the Red
Planet, new studies suggest. But NASA scientists say the reports
``don't shake our belief one bit.''

Laboratory studies at the University of Arizona, Tucson, and the
Scripps Institute of Oceanography conclude that amino acids and
carbon found in a rock from Mars probably got there after the
rock landed on Earth and lay on Antarctic ice for thousands of
years.

This disputes a theory led by two NASA scientists that found
evidence that Martian microbes once lived inside the rock and
left behind fossil-like blobs and organic chemicals.

``Neither paper changes our original hypothesis,'' said Everett
K. Gibson Jr., a NASA researcher. ``They don't shake our belief
one bit.''

Gibson and David S. McKay, both of the Johnson Space Center in
Houston, announced in August 1996 that they had found evidence of
life in a meteorite from Mars. The rock, called ALH84001, was
found in an ice field in Antarctica and has been identified
chemically as originating from Mars.

The theory that the rock once contained Mars microbes has failed
to win universal support among experts and the new studies, to be
published Friday in the journal Science, are the latest to offer
alternate explanations for the lifelike chemistry found inside
the rock.

J. Warren Beck of the University of Arizona, a co-author of one
study, said his group analyzed part of ALH84001 for organic
carbon, an essential chemical for life. He said there were four
types of carbon found and most of it originated on Earth,
probably from contamination that got into the rock while it was
on the ice.

But Beck acknowledged that his team found ``a mystery carbon
component'' that could be extraterrestrial.

``What we found does weaken their case, but it does not rule out
the possibility for life on Mars,'' said Beck. ``We have left the
door open to there being extraterrestrial organic carbon in this
rock.''

Jeffrey L. Bada of Scripps, however, said that his study clearly
disproves the Gibson-McKay theory.

The Scripps researchers analyzed the Mars rock for amino acids,
organic compounds that form proteins and are fundamental to life.
Bada said that his team was looking at the chemical symmetry of
the amino acids. On Earth, amino acids have a left-hand
symmetry.

``If there is really evidence for Mars life in these meteorites,
then amino acids should provide a diagnostic indication,'' said
Bada.

Amino acids were found at very low levels, he said, ``but they
look just like the ones on Earth.''

``More importantly, the handiness of the amino acids is left,
just like on Earth,'' said Bada.

Additionally, he said the amino acids matched those that are
found in the Antarctic ice.

Bada said the work suggests that the rocks soaked up moisture
from the ice where they lay for thousands of years and that this
water contained organic compounds, including the amino acids. If
the amino acids were from Martian life, he said, then they should
have been different from amino acids on Earth.

``When you find something that looks just like it came from
Earth, you are on very dangerous ground to conclude anything else
but that it came from Earth,'' said Bada.

Gibson, however, said that Bada's team analyzed a sample that
included minerals from around the lifelike structures in the rock
that he and McKay found. A true test, he said, would be to
analyze only the lifelike structures.

For instance, he said, an analysis of a chocolate chip cookie
would give different results, depending on what part of the
cookie is tested.

In that analogy, said Gibson, the NASA team examined only the
chocolate chips, while the Scripps team looked at the whole
cookie.

AP-NY-01-15-98 1634EST

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:17:14 -1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:01:49 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
> From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> > From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
> > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:22:50 EST
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> > >  Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:27:14 +0000
> > >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> > >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> > <brevity snip>

> > >  Dear Robert,

> > >  Not so I'm afraid. If I can prove to myself conclusively enough
> > >  that the film is a fraud I will be the first to stand up and
> > >  admit I was wrong. I am only human after all and prone to err. As
> > >  yet, though, I have not reached this stage.

> > >  Philip.

> > Dear Philip,

> > >From what you said, you are working from the point of view
> > that the film is *real* unless proven otherwise.

> > I am glad to see that you will be the first one to admit that
> > he made an error.

> > I am curious about what you standards of *conclusive proof*
> > are?

> > Cheers,
> > Robert

> Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
> has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
> or the other.
>
> Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
> accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
> the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
> (there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
> Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
> would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
> just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
> you ?

> Philip.

Aloha Philip...:)

Opinions are like.......er......well, that is to say everybody
has one. The way these things would ideally work, is that when
someone had a story...or a film....they should present it along
with everything they had to back up it's authenticity and let the
world have a go at the _whole _ package.

It is up to the author of the story to provide sufficient
information to prove that what he (or she) says is true.  While
many people _want_ the film to be real to justify their belief
that the incident really happened, it should not automaticallly
be assumed to be true. That is neither sensible, scientific, nor
serious investigation.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who asks us to believe something
_BUT_ who won't tell/show/give us either the proof or the whole
story, should not accrue any consideration for belief at all.
PROOF of something means that it can be proven to be true.....If
Mr. Santilli didn't have anything to hide, he wouldn't be hiding
anything.

But that's just my opinion...:)

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:26:27 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:39:34 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:41:34 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new >book

>>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:01:00 -0800 (PST)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
>>updates@globalserve.net

>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' >>new book

>>The occasional observations of thousands of frogs or fish, etc.,
>>falling from the sky (but no debris), could be part of this,
>>since whirlwinds & waterspouts are not viable explanations for
>>it. The fact that UFOs can render themselves invisible, or >>remain
invisible, would tie in with this.

>>Jim Deardorff

>Jim,

>This "seeding" of our planet is something that my old friend
>Ivan Sanderson was very interested in.  Of course Fort was the
>first to systematically document it.

>One thing that particularly intrigued Ivan was that in all of
>the cases he could get enough information on, it seemed that the
>fish, frogs, whatever, were of unknown species.

Hi Bob,

Unknown species, but probably looking so much like some existent
species of frogs that some known species could have mutated into
it?

>I don't think this happens every few centuries, but constantly.

If it should be part of the UFO phenomenon, however, in the sense
that UFO aliens are doing it for our education of what advanced
ETs can do, then it may be occurring much more frequently in
recent decades than in past millennia.

>We also have the somewhat mysterious reappearance of species
>which science has "known" were extinct in places where their
>survival seems highly unlikely.

Hmmm, in that case if similar alien intervention is involved,
they could merely be returning offspring of species their
ancestors had abducted from our planet long ago.

>Again, I'm not sure this implies ET intervention, or even any
>deliberate act at all.  Holes between dimensions comes to mind
>as one possible explanation.  We do have accounts of people
>apparently falling into such holes and simply disappearing.
>Maybe they ended up on a parallel earth and, if they survived,
>mingled their DNA with the local strain.

Where is such an account referenced, other than perhaps in the
Philadelphia experiment, which was something else again?

>This is one reason why I do not fully accept traditional
>scientific explanations of evolution.  None of them include this
>mechanism in their theoretical basis.  My alternative theory
>is called "Punctuated Creationism", and it says that evolution
>goes on as normally understood for long periods of time both
>here and elsewhere, but periodically a new genetic strain
>"falls through" which is so advanced above our local strain that
>it disrupts the slow flow of evolution and kick starts things
>in a new direction.  Needless to say, my theory has not been
>taken seriously by my scientific colleagues.

If the unraveling of the UFO coverup continues to accelerate, I
think some traditional scientists will soon have to take that
theory seriously!

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                        John Glenn Returning To Space

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:51:12 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:42:35 -0500
Subject: John Glenn Returning To Space

From The Nando Times. URL:

http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/011598/healtht_4877_noframes.ht
ml

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John Glenn returning to space


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WASHINGTON (January 15, 1998 2:37 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) --
NASA has decided to let John Glenn return to space, officials familiar
with the decision said Thursday.

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration scheduled a Friday
news conference at its Washington headquarters. The 76-year-old
astronaut-turned-senator planned to attend.

NASA declined to say what its decision was, but two officials familiar
with the decision told The Associated Press that Glenn has been
approved for a space shuttle flight.

MSNBC and CNN first reported the decision by Administrator Daniel
Goldin.

As a throng of reporters staked out his Capitol Hill office, Glenn
emerged long enough only to say: "I can understand there is a great
deal of interest in this matter, but today I have no comment on it. I
look forward to discussing this in the future."

Glenn was the first American to orbit the Earth and if his mission
takes place he would also become the oldest man in space.

By KATHERINE RIZZO, Associated Press Writer


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                             Project Silver Bug

From: yogi@iadfw.net [Bill Ralls]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:59:50 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:44:09 -0500
Subject: Project Silver Bug

Hello Fellow Updaters,

For anyone who's interested we now have the Project Silver Bug
documents online at our web site. Late in 1996 we filed a FOIA
request with the US Air Force requesting the documents and
received them in February of 1997. I was surfing the net late
last week and ran across a site that was charging $4.95 a pop to
view them. I thought that was ridiculous so I scanned in my
copies of the documents and have made them avaliable for free.

Project Silver Bug was one of the US Air Force's early attempts
at producing a vertical lift craft. What makes this craft so
unique was that it was shaped exactly like a Flying Saucer. With
all of the reports of saucer shaped craft flying around in our
airspace back in the 1950s and 60s ... could it be that some of
these odd craft were ours? I think it's highly possible. The
direct URL is

            http://ufo-world.simplenet.com/silverbug.html

Your comments are welcome. Any additional information about
Project Siver Bug or any other vertical lift craft would be
appreciated.

Regards,
Bill Ralls
UFO World http://ufo-world.simplenet.com







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                 Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:49:26 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film

Regarding...

>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


Bob wrote,

>Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still the
>debris footage to deal with.


Bob,

The 'debris' footage arrived late on the scene and is of course
the only 'tie-in' with the 'Roswell' case.

Arguably that footage alone should be sufficient proof the entire
video 'evidence' is an accomplished hoax.


As we know, when Dr Jesse Marcel remembered seeing metallic
'I-beams' with embossed 'hieroglyphics', this became a foundation
for claims that the Roswell case concerned the crash of an ET
craft.

To recap on some of the issues, this is a relevant extract from
"The Day Before Roswell" article I wrote last year:

As noted, Dr Marcel was shown some of the wreckage by his late
father. The revived story having gathered momentum and attention,
on a number of occasions, Dr Marcel described metallic 'I-beams'
with symbols, recalled as part of that wreckage.

"There were I-beam fragments that had writing on the inside of
them", he claimed.

As for the symbols:

"I thought at first it looked like hieroglyphics, but it wasn't.
Hieroglyphics have animal forms birds, and cats, and things, but
this wasn't hieroglyphics. It resembled it. Geometric forms and
figures, solid forms, but not any kind of recognizable numbers or
letters or anything like that. More like squares, triangles,
circular ellipsoids, put together in various combinations to form
different types of occurrences. I do recall very strongly it was
a metallic, purplish color".

"And the hieroglyphics were embossed on that. So they stood out
from that".

Yet, in the 1995 UK Channel 4 'Incident at Roswell' documentary,
he seemed to have changed his mind.

The program featured the infamous 'alien autopsy' video, which
includes some brief film of debris supposedly from the crash site
and which shows I-beams with embossed symbols.

Asked for his comments on similarities with what he recalled, Dr
Marcel claimed the embossed symbols in the video footage were
different because, "the ones I saw were not raised above the
level of the beam".

Apparently, a complete contradiction.

Dennis Murphy, an acquaintance in the US, spoke to Miller
Johnson, who designed a 'replica' I-beam with Dr Marcel.

Dennis confirmed, "I asked Miller Johnson if Jesse Marcel Jr.
knew whether or not the symbols were embossed into the I-beam. He
stated that Jesse was not sure if they were or not".

Dr Marcel is also unsure of the exact shapes of the symbols. He
acknowledges that there is only one symbol, resembling a
truncated triangle with a circle on top, which he can recall with
any confidence.

Whilst Dr Marcel believed the members "sure didn't look like
balsa wood, unless it was sprayed with aluminium paint or
something like that", his father recalled that they did not look
metallic, but "something like balsa wood".

And although Marcel Jnr originally claimed the symbols were
"actually an embossed part of the metal itself", his father
stated, "they looked like they were painted on".

Another witness to the debris, Charles Schmid, described "some
material that looked like wood" and which "had some writing that
looked like flowers on just one side". He added, "it had pink
petals, centred like a flower".

Dr Marcel has also described the I-beam symbols as "pink and
purple", or "a violet-purple type color". His father concurs;
"those symbols were pink-purple, lavender was actually what it
was".

Loretta Proctor confirmed that Mac Brazel told her, "there was
more stuff there, like a tape that had some sort of figures on
it...there was also something he described as tape which had
printing on it...the colour of the printing was a kind of
purple".

And Brazel's daughter, Bessie Schreiber, told of how "some of the
metal-foil pieces had a sort of tape stuck to them, and when
these were held to the light they showed what looked like pastel
flowers or designs".

As the existence of the tape with purplish symbols isn't
disputed, it seems there is good reason to suspect that this tape
was also the source of the purplish symbols found on some parts
of the debris.

Significant corroboration for this is given in Kent Jeffrey's
recent article "Roswell - Anatomy of a Myth".

He states:

"In the last few months, as part of my effort to reconstruct what
happened at Roswell, I have had a number of conversations with
Irving Newton, the weather officer at Fort Worth Army Air Field
who was called in by General Ramey to identify the unusual
debris".

[...]

"In one of my conversations with Newton, quite by chance, a new
and important revelation came to light. He was describing the
color of the symbols on one of the balsa sticks and mentioned how
it was faint and had somewhat of a mottled appearance because of
"the way that the dye had bled through onto the surface of the
stick." This was a very important piece of information. The
symbols that Newton saw on the debris in Ramey's office were on
the surface of the stick, not on tape! The tape had apparently
peeled away, probably because of several weeks' exposure to
sunlight while it lay out in the desert. This serendipitous
revelation immediately cleared up one of the biggest questions in
my mind about the Roswell case -- how could Jesse Marcel, Sr., or
Jesse Marcel, Jr., for that matter, not have recognized flower
patterns on tape? The answer is now crystal clear. The symbols
they saw were not on tape. What they saw were images of the
original symbols from the dye that had bled through before the
tape had peeled away. Jesse, Jr.'s testimony about the symbols
definitely not being on tape was absolutely correct".


When Dr Marcel first gave his testimony in February of 1978, he
made no mention of any symbols on the I-beams.

Subsequently bringing this to light, in April of 1979, he wrote
to Stanton Friedman's associate, William Moore, advising, "I
omitted one startling description of the wreckage for fear it
might have been the fanciful imagination of a twelve-year-old".

"Imprinted along the edge of some of the beam remnants there were
hieroglyphic-type characters".

There seems compelling evidence, the source of the mysterious
"hieroglyphics" was that same pinkish-purple tape with flowers.


In the US Air Force report, Colonel Trakowski, who was the TOP
SECRET control officer for Project Mogul, confirmed the
distinctive pinkish- purple tape with flower and heart designs
was used at that time, in the construction of balloon radar
targets.
[End]



Conversely, if a number of obvious indications such as the above
were supportive of the debris containing metallic I-beams with
hieroglyphics, what credence would then be given to the claims of
a witness who recalled that when he was a young boy some 32 years
previously, he believed these to be wooden beams, imprinted with
symbols from pinkish-purple tape.

And whose recollections had become seemingly contradictory and
unsure.


It's a straightforward conclusion.

If the metallic I-beams with hieroglyphics never existed, but are
folklore born of Dr Marcel's uncertain memories, then the debris
footage is bogus and consequently the rest of the video footage
exceedingly likely to be equally so.


The Roswell case has been shown in a number of ways to be
explained beyond any reasonable doubt and critical documents
released under the FOIA confirm the absence of any fallout that
the known crash of an ET craft would have, and then some.

It should perhaps therefore be clear by this time that
extraordinary claims which attach themselves to 'Roswell',
whether video film of 'aliens' and ET debris, stories of reverse
engineered technology, tales from people who claim to have
participated in this or that related project, MJ-12 and now E2,
and so on, can never produce any meaningful evidence.


Roswell was a compelling case deserving of scrutiny and it's
regrettable it has become the focus for so many clueless
charlatans in recent times.


Like the case itself, it's not as if research into the 'alien
autopsy' footage hasn't turned up some telling evidence.

There's plenty of obvious clues and the 'debris' footage is one.


James.
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                       CSETI's Push for open hearings

From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:58:11 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:03:45 -0500
Subject: CSETI's Push for open hearings

Hi all!

I just sent out 15 letters (requesting open hearings on UFO
secrecy) to the chairpersons on the committees that Dr. Greer
stated were the important ones. I hope everybody, even if you
dislike Dr. Greer, does this. This is not about personalities,
this is about making your voice heard and pushing our elected
officials into something that's long overdue. It doesn't take
that long to write or call some of these Congresspersons or
Senators. Maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to work! The
contact information is on CSETI's page.

Thank you Steven Bassett for all of the work you're doing with
the ufology groups and Frances Barwood. She's a great lady
who I had the pleasure to interview last year. I would love to
have you on my team any day.

How the heck do I print the Congressional Hearing petition from
Bob Dean's page? It's too big for my printer. Obviously I'm not
that computer literate and would like some help. Where do I send
it when I have lots of signatures?

One more thing. I'm 32 years old & a professional
producer/director/videographer/editor for the City of Tampa's
Government Access Television. I want to start putting all of my
efforts into producing UFO/Paranormal documentaries. I really
want to quit my job (It's so boring videotaping City government
pieces!) and "do" UFOs full time.

I'm good at what I do (Believe me, I'm not trying to brag.
I hate talking about myself) and only put quality work on the
air. I have gotten compliments on my work by such people as the
Mayor of Tampa. And you know what?  It doesn't really feel that
great to get those compliments because I'm not putting my talents
to use on something I believe in 110% and love (UFOs & ETs). '
It's not rewarding at all.

I'm ready to do whatever it takes. If I'm needed as a
producer/videographer/editor (With a working knowlege of the
subject) in this field then that's what I'll do. I'd rather ride
around in a Pleiadian Beam Ship with Semjase (SP?) but I'll take
the producer position. Plus, I'm married and I hope my wife
doesn't read this email or I'll be in trouble!

If anybody has any ideas for a serious, up-to-date, documentary
on these subjects, let me know.  Obviously, whatever we do, it
would have to be sellable and marketable to a network or a big
cable channel (Discovery, A&E, TLC).

Raring to go and waiting to quit my cushy government
job in Tampa,

Joe

P.S - I'm real easy to work with. I used to play drums in a
hard/rock band with an egomaniac/psychotic lead singer/guitarist.
If I could get along with him, I can get along with anybody.


"Look at the size of that can of tuna! That's not for a person!
That's for Biosphere 3!!!"

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:10:58 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:08:42 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:51:57 -0600 (CST)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> >From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> <snip>

> >Let's keep copyright infringement in mind here.

> >Contrary to popular belief, you can't just scan the chapter into
> >the computer and post it all over the internet. That is illegal.
> >In fact, we play fast and loose with the law here by posting
> >whole newspaper articles, even with the proper credit being
> >given. The copyright laws are quite specific and what most people
> >believe to be fair use is, in fact, outlawed.

> <snip>

> >KRandle

> Hard as it may be for some of us to remember or admit, 1956 was a
> long time ago, more than 40 years by my crude calculations. (My
> Ace paperback copy of Ruppelt's book carries a 50 cents cover
> price.) In other words, I suspect the book may well be in the
> public domain. If it is, not only could you copy it with
> impunity, you could reprint it if you had a mind to.

> Dennis

Dennis,

The Ruppelt book is not in the public domain.  The author retains
the copyright for 75 years.  Books copyrighted in 1923 are coming
into the public domain now.

For further information on this you might find the Project
Gutenberg website of interest.  The purpose of that project is to
make available on the internet books which are legally in the
public domain.

Gary Alevy








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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:46:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:11:38 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:23:43 EST

> Hello the list and to Gary...

> >Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:50:16 -0500 UFO UpDates - Toronto
> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 01:13:44 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> >> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:24:29 EST

> >> >From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> >> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:16:43 EST
> >> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

> >> Hello the list, and to Kevin Randle...

> >> >>>> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >> >>>> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >> >>>>investigation

> >> The answer is, newspaper articles are more likely to be less
> >> biased than a book that has been written with embellishments
> >> and wording designed to sell ideas that may be considered
> >> exaggerations or falsehoods by main-stream thinking. ...Just
> >> my point of view, of course.  ...And then there's the fact
> >> that I was there.

> >> Best regards,

> >> Jack

> >Jack,

> >What does that "fact", which you so glibly offer up, mean?

> Glibly? Well, you sure do set the tone for this discussion,
> don't you?

> >You state you where there, where exactly was that?

> I was a resident at 1434 Harvard St. N.W., Washington, DC

> >What exactly did you witness?

> The reaction of the people around me. ...The news on the
> radio. The headlines in the Washington Post.

> >Were you a participant in any of the airport control towers?

> No. If I had been a participant, I would have said so in one
> of my earlier posts. However, I know what the public reaction
> was. It was exciting, but not scary.

> >Were you a member of one of the intelligence services cleared
> >for investigation of the sightings?

> No. Please make your point.

> >Gary

> What? Just plain Gary?  ...No polite sign-off like "Regards"?

> Regards,

> Jack

Hello Jack,

I was too harsh in using the term "glibly".  Also it was not my
intention to belittle your experience as an observer of the
Washington DC events.

However, I think you may be unaware and therefore a bit naive
about some unusual apects of the Washington National events which
have been researched and documented in books such as Ruppelt's
which have never and may never be reported in the newspapers.
For instance I offer for your consideration the following passage
from Ruppelts The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, Chapter
12, The Washington-merry-go-round.


In some aspects the Washington National Sightings could be
classed as a surprise -- we used this as an excuse when things
got fouled up --- but in other ways they weren't. A few day prior
to the incident a scientist, from an agency that I can't name and
I were talking about the build-up of reports along the east coast
of the United States. We talked for about two hours, and I was
ready to leave when he said that he had one last comment to make
-- a prediction.

From his study of the UFO reports that he was getting from Air
Force Headquarters, and from discussions with his colleagues, he
said that he thought that we were sitting right on top of a big
keg full of loaded flying saucers. "Within the next few days," he
told me, and I remember that he punctuated his slow, deliberate
remarks hitting the desk with his fist, "they're going to blow up
and you're going to have the granddaddy of all UFO sightings. The
sighting will occur in Washington or New York," he predicted,
"probably Washington."

The trend in the UFO reports that this scientist based his
prediction on hadn't gone unnoticed. We on Project Blue Book had
seen it, and so had the people in the Pentagon: we all had talked
about it.

end of Ruppelt quotation.


Think carefully about what Ruppelt documented here.  A scientist
in one of our intelligence agencies notified or predicted to
Ruppelt in advance that "flying saucers" - remember this is
before Ruppelt coined the term UFO to obfuscate the Washington
National sightings, would be appearing over Washington.
Somewhere, in probably at one of the intelligence agencies is
that scientist's data, etc....

Another interesting factoid about the Washington National
Sightings is that Raymond Fowler's father (Raymond is the well
known UFO investigator) predicted in print when and where they
would occur in advance of the events!

I fairly consistently close my posts with only my name no offense
was intended but why not make exceptions.

Regards,

Gary








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                Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:17:46 -0500
Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

Those of you invovled in Ufology and UFO sightings and abduction
promotion might take a moment to think about the effects of this
stuff on people in Asia: Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Hong Kong,
China, Singapore, Malaysia, India, etc.

Many of these so-called sightings of things like the Phoenix
Lights and the Roswell affair and Heaven's Gate and alien
abduction talk get picked up by the media over here (I am in
Taiwan as I write this; was in Japan previously) and never
questioned. The result is that many Asians are very influenced by
USA media reports and never have a chance to learn the truth. For
example, when TIME and NEWSWEEK made big deals of out Roswell and
the Phoenix hoax last year, those magazines were sold all over
Asia, often in translated versions, and everybody over here knows
this stuff. They think it's real. They think that if the USA
media says it happened, it must be real. So the result is that
alot of Asians have fallen victim to this kind of shallow
reporting. They really think UFOs land in the USA all the time.
They really think alien abductions happen all the time. They dont
know the difference, as we do, between the National Enquirer and
the New York Times. They think all USA media is the same. So
please be careful how you report things. Many Americans, with
their silly belief in aliens and UFOs and conspiracies etc, are
messing up  other parts of the world. It's a real shame. As you
can see I am a skeptic and a nonbeliever, and I fear for the way
AMERICA is messing up the rest of the world. Ever notice how
these UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

Americans are so damned concerned with their own navels! It's
really messing up the world. Just something to think about; not
that anyone cares (they are so self-obsessed, another American
hobby...)

Terry Walker
apt_6f@hotmail.com
TAIWAN

(where the aliens never land and there are no UFO sightings,
thank G-d!)









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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:59:07 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:22:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:02:08 -0800


>>  >>  Well, that is the story which Sitchin says the Sumerian Cuneiform
>>  >>  tablets tell...He is one of only a handful of scholars who can
>>  >>  still read the Sumerian and Babylonian languages today.

>>  >Yes, but many of those scholars dispute his interpretation of the
>>  >writings.

>>  Ah, but that is not unusual.  Just look at the way they dispute
>>  the contentions we have that UFOs are real. <G>

>Actually, those scholars have nothing to do with the UFO debate.
>They simply take issue with his interpretations.

>That his interpretations are at variance with theirs does not
>give him more credibility.

>>  I'm sorry, but I don't give these so called provessional scholars
>>  that much credibility.  They are only working with bits and
>>  pieces of say a million year history.  That can be very
>>  misleading.  What they surmise in one part of the globe may not
>>  apply in another, to an advanced race, separating itself from
>>  those primitive races located elsewhere on the planet.

>Scholars of ancient languages are quite specialized, but they
>know their business. As do the planetologists who have worked on
>origin questions.

>I can't see any reason to give more credence to a purported
>legend from a long gone people with a very primitive technology
>over the work of professional scientists with modern tools.


Very good point Mark.  Even if Sitchin has translated the old
texts perfectly, what reason do we have for thinking these
people knew what they were talking about???  There are lots of
ancient texts, some well understood many not, but we have no
good reason to assume that any of them have any value other
than for historical studies of mythology.

Bob









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                      Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:48:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:23:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

>From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:37:23 -0200

>Dear colleagues and friends,

>Can anyone among you give me a hand to complete the biographical
>entry about Dr. John Mack for my Encyclopedia of UFOs and
>Anomalous Aeroespatial Phenomena ?

>I need:

>1 - His complete name;

>2 - His place and date of birth;

>3 - His educational background;

>4 - Why/when first became involved in UFO/abduction research;

>5 - Complete list of published books (Titles; name of editors;
>    city of editors and year of printing).

>Thanks for your assistance.

>Best regards,

>Philippe Piet van Putten
>abp1@uol.com.br
>http://www.pufori.org/


Philippe,

Wouldn't it make the most sense to just contact John and
ask him for this information?

Bob









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                           UFO Specialities Inc.?

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:34:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:34:25 -0500
Subject: UFO Specialities Inc.?





I had a phone call asking me about:

UFO Specialities Inc.
Clearwater, Florida.

Does anyone know if this company is
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                       Skywatch: Filer's Files #2-1998

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Filer's Files #2-1998=A0 MUFON Skywatch Investigations
From George A. Filer:=A0 MUFON Eastern Director,
Jan. 14, 1998=A0 Majorstar@aol.com=A0 (609) 654-0020

It isn't a question of whether UFOs exist. The question is, who
do they belong to?

UFO AND SPACE SHUTTLE

WASHINGTON - The Space Shuttle Endeavor narrowly avoided a collision with=A0=
 a
gigantic UFO during its 12-day mission in September and a top-secret NASA
audio tape proves it!=A0=A0=A0=A0 That's the word from author William=
 Kliner, who
claims to have obtained a=A0 copy of the tape from highly placed NASA=
 sources
and flatly calls the incident=A0 "the most dramatic close encounter in=
 history."
In the 23-second tape, which was recorded off one of several secret radio
frequencies that NASA reserves for classified conversations with space=
 shuttle
astronauts, Commander David Walker is heard to say:=A0=A0=A0=A0 "Bogey at 3=
 o'clock,
God what is it?=A0 My God, it's coming right=A0 at us!" NASA asks: What's=
 there?
Walker: There's no way! Oh God! Get back. Move!"=A0=A0=A0=A0 NASA asks:=
 Endeavor!
Endeavor! What, explain=A0=A0 Walker states: "What the.=A0 Where is it?=
 Where, it's
gone.=A0 It's gone! . . UFO, Spacecraft, huge, intelligent, over there!=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 NASA
tells: Endeavor to: Switch now!=A0=A0=A0=A0 The tape ends abruptly with what=
 would
appear to be a NASA order for Walker=A0 to change radio frequency. And while
nobody other than Walker, his crew and a handful of NASA officials=A0 knows
exactly what happened next, the Endeavor returned to Earth safely on
September 18, indicating that the close encounter ended without further
incident.=A0=A0

"This is dazzling proof that UFOs not only exist, they are piloted by
extraterrestrials who are interested in our technology and possibly even
mankind's ventures into space," declared Kliner, who has published hundreds
of articles on America's space program over the past 25 years. "Until now, I
didn't believe in the existence of UFOs and I certainly didn't=A0 believe=
 that
extraterrestrials were visiting our planet.=A0=A0=A0=A0 "But now I know=
 better. Space
aliens actually observed our shuttle astronauts=A0 as they orbited Earth -=
 and
NASA's own tape proves it."
NASA spokesmen declined to comment on the author's report pending the=
 outcome
of what one official called "an investigation into the source of=
 unauthorized
information that might or might not have basis in fact."=A0=A0=A0=A0 Like=
 NASA,
Commander Walker and his crew - Pilot Ken Cockrell and Mission=A0=
 Specialists
James Voss, James Newman and Michael Gernhardt - aren't talking.=A0=A0=A0=
 But
Kliner's sources say the Endeavor and crew did, in fact, avert an in-orbit
collision with "a massive, walnut-shaped spacecraft of unknown origin."
"From what I understand, the spacecraft was the size of a small city and
glowed bright green as it approached the shuttle," he continued. "At some
point during the encounter, the UFO veered off course to avoid a=A0=
 collision.
"As far as I know," he continued, "there was no contact between the UFO and
the shuttle. If there was contact, my sources are unaware of it." Thanks to:
Eric Howarth: erich@cycor.ca=A0 and A.J. Craddock. Editors Note:=
 Investigators
who live near Cape Canaveral often report sightings of UFOs during the=
 launch
of the shuttle.

NEW HAMPSHIRE

EXETER, NH,=A0 01/10/98 (AP) - A Newmarket man was nearly blinded by a=
 bright
light in the sky last month, and he's on a mission to find out what it was.
Dave Jackson said the mysterious brilliant blue flash lit up the sky over
Exeter on December 28th, as he drove along Route 88.=A0 "It was brighter=
 than
anything I've ever seen," he said.=A0 Jackson said, he's heard from a=
 Hampton
Falls woman who saw a similar blinding flash in the same area about a month
earlier.=A0 He plans to meet with a UFO investigator near the site.=A0 Peter
Geremia, director of the state chapter of the Mutual UFO Network, said an
investigation begins by ruling out explainable causes such as aircraft or=
 the
weather. He said some UFO investigations take several months, but most last
only a couple of weeks.-Thanks to=A0 Brookline Copshmrnas Boston Globe's
website: http://www.boston.com/dailynews/wirehtml and Current Encounters.

VERMONT

On January 11, 1998, two MUFON members and their adult daughter were=
 traveling
south of Newport, VT on Route 91 around 10:30 p.m.. It was a clear night,=
 with
partial clouds, snow starting later. The witnesses saw flashing red and=
 white
lights that changed to a horizontal=A0 row of white lights. Then, they=
 changed
to a red and white light, back to all white, then back and forth. The object
was low, headed north, and no sound was heard. The temperature, ground=
 level,
was in the upper 20's. The wife said that there was a double vapor trail.=A0=
 She
said that they were amazed because it was so low and so wide. She compared=
 it
to a WW II bomber. She also felt that it was faster than it should have been
at that elevation.=A0 Thanks to Sandee Black, MUFON State Director Vermont .

MASSACHUSETTS

=A0=A0=A0=A0 On Wednesday, December 31, 1997, Lynn S. was driving in=
 rush-hour traffic
at 8:52 a.m., in Rockland, Massachusetts a suburb southeast of Boston.=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 As
she neared Reed's Pond, on Market Street in Rockland, she spotted "a cigar-
shaped craft that hovered for a minute and 45 seconds above the waters of
Reed's Pond before it plunged in and exploded. I saw the object come across
the sky, pulsating a blue light from the top with two strong flashing lights
on each side."=A0=A0=A0=A0 "Traffic slowed, but no one seemed to care enough=
 to get
out and see what the object was," she=A0 reported." As I approached the=
 traffic
lights, people were pointing back at the pond.=A0 But without the traffic=
 light
working, drivers were beginning to swear, cut people off and no one was=
 paying
any attention to the object."=A0=A0=A0=A0 "Upon driving home and finding I=
 had no
electricity, I called the electric company but only got a recording. I began
calling other residents of the town.=A0 They all said they had no=
 electricity
after they heard the planes go over.=A0 At 9:15 a.m., Lynn drove back to=
 Reed's
Pond."To my amazement, a black ball hovered in the sky above it, as big as a
silver dollar, but nothing was astir in the pond.=A0 I noticed dead ducks=
 and
seagulls floating on the surface."=A0=A0=A0=A0 The UFO zipped away seconds=
 later.
"For the record, I never heard any planes." Thanks to Joe Trainor editor of
UFO Roundup 3-2, 1/9/98.

NORTH CAROLINA

Terry Kimbrell reports,=A0 "Wanted to pass an observation I had of recent
activity in the Blue Ridge Mountains around the Asheville area.=A0 As you=
 know
there has been three reported UFO sightings in December, two near Clyde, NC
and a Decemvber 20th,=A0 sighting around Mars Hill. These areas are within a=
 20
mile radius of Asheville. I still haven't had any luck with contacts. On
January 5th, a hiker on the Appalachian Trail, in the Nantahala National
Forest=A0 reported finding what appeared to be human bare-footprints in the=
 snow
along the trail.=A0 Matt Moneymakers Bigfoot Research reports these=
 footprints
were 13 to 14 inches in length. This area is located 45 miles from=
 Asheville,
in the vicinity of two of the UFO sightings.=A0 Hope Right now the weather=
 is
pretty bad in some of these locations with flooding and the high mountains
have snow.=A0 Thanks to Terry Kimbrell and John Thompson.

GEORGIA

MUFON State Director, John=A0 Thompson reports he was a was a guest on an
Atlanta news-talk radio show on January 10th. On the "Royal Treatment" one-
hour show with host Royal Marshall on WSB, 750AM (a 50,000 watt station) we
had several interesting calls come in. The best was from a former naval
officer now living in Fayetteville, Georgia. The gentlemen would not give=
 the
name of his ship or the "body of water" that the incident happened in but
provided many interesting details.=A0=A0 He said that he was on a=
 "antiaircraft
weapons ship" --probably a TICONDEROGA class, Aegis equipped guided missile
cruiser from other details he provided. He said, while he was in the
operations center they tracked a UFO=A0 doing "Mach 8." (About 5,000 mph.)=
 After
watching the UFO on the screen and judging it to be within visual range he
went "to the bridge" and there was the UFO! He said, he then proceeded to
watch the UFO settle to near ocean level and he said it began "to lighten."
After growing bright it suddenly shot straight up and was out of sight=
 within
"two seconds." On asking him if they painted the target, he said, "No,=
 because
we were on condition one status."=A0 So all tracking was done solely by=
 passive
radar. He said, an entry of this incident was made on the ship's log and
occurred about twelve years ago. He wouldn't even name the location or ship=
 he
was on. Nonetheless, there is not a doubt in mind, just based on one
conversation with him, that he was an excellent witness reporting something
highly unusual that had radar confirmation. He knew exactly what I meant=
 when
I asked, "Did you paint the target." This guy was for real. Wish he would=
 call
us. Thanks to John Thompson.

Chief Tom Sheets reported on his investigation of several cases. In the
October 15th, 8 PM, sighting by Jennie and Shelley B. they saw a coned or
bell-shaped object with lights moving over a wide area near Cannonville, in
western Georgia for about 30 minutes. They relocated the UFO on the south=
 side
of Bartley Road. It was moving away at a slow even speed, and they followed=
 it
in a generally westerly direction...The object=A0 had moved from its=
 original
location at a slow but steady speed.=A0 The sisters described the=
 bell-shaped
object has having a large non-blinking light on top=A0 and two red lights on=
 its
bottom. It was the size of a "small aircraft or large car."=A0 The light=
 hovered
at tree top level, when it suddenly accelerated toward them very fast. They
said, "It moved faster than an airplane could move." The object traveled 2=
 1/2
miles in west and returned to Rosie Civers Road.=A0 Chief Sheets concludes=
 that
the "movement" and "no engine noise"=A0 rules out "standard aircraft" or
balloons.

On the second case, last summer at dusk, 18 year old Jennie B says she saw=
 an
UFO only 200 feet away from her near Cannonville, GA.=A0 After looking at=
 UFO
photos, she=A0 positively identified the Bell-shaped 9/16/96 Valley, Alabama=
 UFO
photo as exactly like the craft she observed. She saw the UFO for just five
seconds as she did not stop her car. She indicated, "The UFO was the size of=
 a
small car and hovering about 1/2 off the horizon only 200 feet from the=
 road."
This is similar to other reports we have had of the Valley UFO in Georgia,
Colorado, and Kentucky.

In the third incident with Jennie B., and somewhat further north of
Cannonville off the Willie Hodnett Road, she saw a rectangular shaped-UFO
shining a bright beam. The box-like UFO,=A0 had a forward-looking white beam=
 and
many non-blinking red lights. Jennie said, it was only a 100 yards away.=
 This
sighting occurred in early November at around 7 PM. The UFO was about the=
 size
of a large transfer truck. She only saw this for about 3-5 seconds. It=
 should
be noted that another UFO sighting took place on this same road that=
 involved
a square-box like UFO shining a light in a cow pasture. That sighting=
 occurred
in Sept. of 1995 and involved a couple and was indirectly verified by a farm
wife that lived nearby. Jennie's sighting may suggest something is regularly
returning to the Willie Hodnett Road area.

The final case of Tom Sheets took place in 1992-1994. The exact day is
unknown. It involves a van-load of LaGrange church people going to Bingo=
 games
in Alabama. Chief Sheets interviewed the van driver and five other=
 witnesses.
All saw a "shining globe of light...as large as a small helicopter" that
chased them on Highway 431 at treetop level. The passengers claimed the UFO
followed at only 50 feet away." The light accompanied them for about 5 miles
and disappeared on reaching the outskirts of Anniston. Two of the church
members said they later had eye problems that required medical treatment,
because of the extremely bright lights. Thanks to=A0 John C. Thompson

FLORIDA

ISUR reports that Alexander Cox in West Palm Beach, Florida saw a UFO on
January 12, 1998.=A0 Alex was just off the pier in the downtown area between=
 .
7:15-9:00. The UFO was described as bright in color, almost like the moon,=
 but
smaller. Alexander indicated, "The light attracted me and my friend." His
phone is: (407 )737-5689,1051 Adams Road, West Palm Beach,
alex_cox@hotmail.com Thanks to John Thompson and ISUR.

GERMANY

On Saturday, January 3, 1998, Emil D. was driving on an autobahn in=
 Germany's
Bavarian Alps near Traunstein, a small city 110 kilometers(66 miles) east of
Munich.=A0=A0=A0=A0 Suddenly, he looked in his rear-view mirror and saw "a=
 gigantic
flying disc" coming up behind him.=A0 The UFO was described as "bright=
 silver
with rotating lights along the rim."=A0=A0=A0=A0 The UFO pursued Emil's car=
 for 8
kilometers(5 miles) before rising quickly in altitude and zipping away over
the southern horizon.=A0=A0=A0=A0 The huge daylight disc was also seen in=
 Muhldorf, 60
kilometers north of Traunstein, and across the border in Austria.=A0 (See=
 the
Sueddeutsche Zeitung 1/7/98. (Thanks to Josef Schedel and UFO Roundup 3-2=
 Joe
Trainor editor.)

UNITED KINGDOM

Victor Kean answered several of my questions concerning Flying Traingles
(FT's) hovering over Nuclear Power Stations=A0 in Southeastern England. I=
 wrote
the FTs stay several hours on station. Victor corrected me as follows: "In=
 the
early days of 'Project FT' our sources used to provide both 'Arrival Time'=
 and
'Departure Time' over Sizewell Nuclear Power Station (NPS).=A0 Looking at=
 those
'old' (June 1995) reports the times varied from 5 minutes to=A0 25 minutes.=
=A0 (I
note that "photos were taken" I'm still trying to get copies !)=A0=
 Occasionally
there was a very long interval such as 55 minutes, but this was very rare=
 and
I wondered if a 'typo' mistake had been made. Then in 1996, these stopped=
 and
we only got the 'Arrival Time'.=A0 I am one step removed from the 'actual
source' and we are all nervous at losing this invaluable 'source' if we ask
too many questions.=A0 Looking at the current time interval between the=
 Sizewell
times and the next nuclear power station times, they appear to be fairly
constant which suggests that the FT is not spending more than say 5 minutes=
 at
Sizewell before moving on."

Reference the question: "The possibility that the FT are 'triangular=
 military
aircraft under development?"=A0 This is a question which I have written=
 about
many times:=A0
1)=A0 The early FTs over the UK were c. 1960 (Pre-stealth)=A0
2)=A0=A0 The reports of FTs flying very slow (30-50mph) and silent (apart=
 from the
occasional low hum which has been reported) would seem to rule out=
 terrestrial
craft.
3)=A0 Reports of the FT shape-shifting (Splitting) seem also 'un-worldly'.
4)=A0 The FTs ability to 'vanish' (shift out of the visual spectrum) seems
beyond Einstein.=A0
5)=A0 If the FT is "under development" (Made in the USA) then it would=
 hardly be
flying=A0=A0=A0=A0 low and slow over UK NPS and the intervening countryside.=

6)=A0 There are numerous reports of FTs discharging white/orange or red
spheres...and later=A0=A0=A0=A0 car drivers reporting being harassed by=
 similar
spheres not too far removed in either=A0=A0=A0=A0 time or distance.=A0=A0=
 Hardly the
behavior of a friendly ally.

Reference: The possibility that people are seeing the lights of aircraft
refueling?.=A0 Whilst some reports may well be 'aircraft refueling' I cannot
accept that the reports from=A0 "above NP sites" could be these.
Ref: "Is there any indication that these craft come out of the sea ?"=A0 As=
 you
know, we have pin-pointed the FT "hovering out at sea" on many occasions=
 both
before, after and in between visits to the Sizewell complex. Last month, I=
 had
a fax from Omar Fowler (Derby , UK) telling me that he had received a phone
call from a researcher in Suffolk who knew of two persons who were regularly
videoing FTs "plunging in and out of the sea"=A0=A0 The last I heard was=
 that
these persons were trying to sell their video to the highest bidder.=
 (Caution:
This could all be another 'hoax')=A0 There was also a report in 1996 by a=
 couple
walking along a Cornish beach who claimed they saw an FT plunge into the=
 sea.
By 'co-incidence'(?) we had already tracked the FT at that time and in that
direction !!=A0 Yes, there was a "fishing boat" report in Sept. 1997 (If=
 memory
serves)... There is also a report of a fishing boat going missing in the=
 area.
(Not confirmed)=A0 I appreciate the possible importance of "Project FT'=A0=


Incidentally, your "Filer's Files" are my main regular outlet of this
information.=A0 Ron West (Essex) is chairman of a local UFO group and gives=
 his
members a report.=A0 Omar Fowler writes the occasional article for FSR based=
 on
my summaries.=A0 A copy of each FSR issue is lodged in the Library of the
British House of Commons. (Thanks to Victor Kean)

CHINA

Hundreds of Chinese workers in an industrial area on the outskirts of Canton
spotted a UFO in the sky December 23, 1997.=A0 The UFO was described as "an
oblong oval with an array of windows.=A0 The windows had a bright corona of
light around them.=A0 A periodic ray of light burst from the craft's=
 underside
at several intervals."=A0=A0=A0=A0 The UFO alternately hovered and flew=
 slowly over
the factories and houses for several minutes, then flew away at an extremely
high speed. Canton, the largest city in Guangdong province, is 800 miles=
 south
of Beijing (Italian newspaper Il Stampa 12/27/97 Thanks to Edoardo Russodi
CISU & Joe Trainor)

SAM DONALDSON

Sam Donaldson makes New Year's prediction.=A0 Sam stated, "Well, great. And=
 I'm
going to make=A0 a prediction. I'm going to step out here and say that I=
 think
there's going to be contact. Right, the great array in New Mexico is going=
 to
find that sound that we all saw in the movie, and we are going to hear from
some aliens, whether it's Vega or not, in outer space, and it's not going to
be the Spice Girls. Well, thanks a lot. You've been great.... Bye." This is
what he said to close "Nightline" for the a new year. Thanks to
www.abcnews.com, & John Thompson

TWA FLIGHT 800

WASHINGTON Gannett News Service - Admiral Thomas Moorer, the former Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said yesterday that it's possible a missile
brought down TWA Flight 800 and called for new congressional=A0 hearings.=A0=
 The
Boeing 747 disintegrated July 17, 1996, and plunged into the=A0 Atlantic=
 Ocean
near Long Island, N.Y., killing 230.=A0 Moorer and other retired Navy brass,=
 at
a press conference,=A0 expressed grave suspicion over the FBI's recently
concluded=A0 18-month investigation of the disaster. They said a missile
explosion just outside the 747's forward cabin seems the likely=A0 cause.=A0=
 "All
evidence would point to a missile," said Moorer, who is an=A0 expert on=
 missile
weaponry. "All those witnesses who saw a streak=A0 that hit the airplane --=
 you
have to assume it's a missile. In=A0 an investigation like this, you can't
overlook anything."=A0 Joseph Valiquette, FBI spokesman in New York, said=
 the
agency is=A0 "comfortable" with its conclusions that "there's no evidence a
criminal act was responsible."=A0

The Navy officers said a new study of evidence from Flight 800's=A0 data
recorders rebuts the government's official story about fuel=A0 vapors=
 exploding
in a central tank of the jetliner.=A0=A0 "This is either a train wreck in=
 the sky,
or an explosive device=A0 -- mid-air, outside the plane," said retired Navy
Cmdr. William=A0 Donaldson, a former plane crash investigator.=A0 Donaldson
examined the mountain of material released in early=A0 December about the
federal investigation. He particularly=A0 criticized one National=
 Transportation
Safety Board document=A0 reflecting flight recorder data that was not=
 discussed
when the=A0 material was unveiled in Baltimore.=A0=A0 Donaldson noted a line=
 drawn
through readings of the last five=A0 seconds of the doomed jet's flight,=
 with a
handwritten margin=A0 note reading "End of Flight 800 DATA" -- except there=
 are
more=A0 revealing readings below it. He thinks this was an attempt to=A0=
 divert
attention from the final readings on the flight recorder.

The final readings show chaos in the sky -- with airspeed=A0 dropping=
 instantly
by almost 200 knots, the pitch angle jumping=A0 five degrees, altitude=
 dropping
3,600 feet in about three=A0 seconds, the roll angle going from zero to 144
degrees (the plane=A0 almost inverted), and magnetic heading changing from=
 82
degrees=A0 to 163 degrees.=A0 Donaldson said all these indicate an extremely=
 high-
pressure wave=A0 coming from the lower left side of the plane's front. The
measurements "indicate there was an explosion -- a big explosion=A0 --=
 outside
the cockpit."=A0 Editor's Note: There also appear to be other terrorist=
 attempts
to destroy aircraft with missiles that have not been examined carefully.
Thanks to Courier Post Cherry Hill, NJ. January 9, 1998


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                      Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: Michelle <Michelle@aspi.net> [Michelle LaVigne]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:11:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia


> >Dear colleagues and friends,

> >Can anyone among you give me a hand to complete the biographical
> >entry about Dr. John Mack for my Encyclopedia of UFOs and
> >Anomalous Aeroespatial Phenomena ?

[Snipped]

Philippe,

You can get all this information from the media rep at PEER
(program for Extraordinary Experience Reasearch)

Their address is:

PEER
1493 Cambridge St
Cambridge, MA 02139

The phone number is 617-497-2667


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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:38:14 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:14:03 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


 >From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
 >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
 >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:46:33 -1000


 >> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
 >> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:14:18 EST
 >> To: updates@globalserve.net
 >> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


 > > From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
 > > To: updates@globalserve.net
 > > Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation
 > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:26:09 EST

 >  >>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
 >  >>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:25:04 EST
 >  >>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >  >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

 <snippp>

 > Hello, Jack -

 > I think we might be talking at cross purposes here. Are there
 > newspaper accounts of events that are more accurate than the
 > books written years later? Yes.

 > Are there books that are more accurate than the newspaper
 > accounts written at the time? Yes.

 > Does this make one source of information better than the other?
 > No.

 >Aloha Kevin...

 >This the first time I have heard the argument that _more
 >accurate_ information is not better than _the other_ types of
 >information. While I agree that all real information is worthy of
 >consideration, the most accurate information is always the best,
 >and that is what people look for. Otherwise, what is the point of
 >gathering it at all? You could never find out the truth about
 >anything. Is that really what you meant to say?

 >Tom Burnett

 Hello Tom -

I was merely suggesting that as we study an event there are many
sources of information, some more accurate than others.

We cannot, however, say that the books are more accurate than the
newspapers just because they are books. Nor can we say that the
newspapers are more accurate than the books because they were
written at the time the incidents happened.

We must evalutate each source of information to determine the
validity of the information contained it in, rather than accept
one source over another because of our own bias. I have found
newspaper stories that are filled with inaccuracy and I have
found books filled with inaccuracy, but I don't suggest that
because I have one that all others are that way.

In other, shorter words, I'm suggesting that we assign a level
of accuracy after we have had a chance to evaluate the source.

KRandle









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                           Re: Project Silver Bug

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:48:04 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Project Silver Bug


> From: yogi@iadfw.net [Bill Ralls]
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:59:50 -0600
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Project Silver Bug

> Hello Fellow Updaters,

<Snipped>

> Project Silver Bug was one of the US Air Force's early attempts
> at producing a vertical lift craft. What makes this craft so
> unique was that it was shaped exactly like a Flying Saucer. With
> all of the reports of saucer shaped craft flying around in our
> airspace back in the 1950s and 60s ... could it be that some of
> these odd craft were ours? I think it's highly possible. The
> direct URL is

If I had to make a guess at the mind set of the USAF back then,
they were probably trying to duplicate what they hoped might have
been Russian aerotechnology and therefore explain the presence of
UFOs. They already had the Avro Air Car to play with and were
trying to make it stable with a newer design. The picture you
have here shows a very unstable looking craft that is powered by
conventional means. Though I don't see exhaust ports I'm guessing
that it was jet powered. Judging by the landing gear on the
Silver Bug it was either very heavy or they used gear of another
aircraft in order to save money. It had little space for fuel for
the two jets and hand poor visibility below. Note it still
sported vertical stabilizers.

Again, I would think that even if this thing did fly with any
degree of stability that the pilot would have been summarily shot
if he dared stray off the test range and into civilian airspace.

>             http://ufo-world.simplenet.com/silverbug.html

> Your comments are welcome. Any additional information about
> Project Siver Bug or any other vertical lift craft would be
> appreciated.

> Regards,
> Bill Ralls
> UFO World http://ufo-world.simplenet.com

Nice site Bill.

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From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:49:54 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:01:12 -0500
Subject: Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings

>From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:58:11 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: CSETI's Push for open hearings

Joe, and list

        I wanted to add a couple of comments:

>Hi all!

>I just sent out 15 letters (requesting open hearings on UFO
>secrecy) to the chairpersons on the committees that Dr. Greer
>stated were the important ones. I hope everybody, even if you
>dislike Dr. Greer, does this. This is not about personalities,
>this is about making your voice heard and pushing our elected
>officials into something that's long overdue. It doesn't take
>that long to write or call some of these Congresspersons or
>Senators. Maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to work! The
>contact information is on CSETI's page.

Dr. Greer is probably his own worst enemy in this genre, with
some of his earlier work coming back to haunt him.  But I would
agree that everyone should fire off letters to let their elected
representitives know of their concern.  But since I happen to
work in that environment (the U.S. House), let me make a couple
of suggestions.

In spite of all the hype about Congress getting on line and
accepting email from the Internet, write your thoughts on paper
and send them to your elected Representatives in Washington.  You
vote for them, and they will be far more responsive than a
representative you don't elect.

Form letters are a bad idea.  Send a form letter, and you are
almost guaranteed a form letter in response and you'll get just
about that much attention from the staff.  A letter they have to
actually read and consider because it is unique is far more
visable.  Sure it take's more time, but no one said this was
going to be easy.

>Thank you Steven Bassett for all of the work you're doing with
>the ufology groups and Frances Barwood. She's a great lady
>who I had the pleasure to interview last year. I would love to
>have you on my team any day.

Steven Bassett is catching a lot of flack as a result of his
comments on the Art Bell show on some "lists".  He doesn't
deserve it, and it highlights the fact that this genre is
certainly not well organized. Fearing the negative reaction,
Greer and Dean both distanced themselves from Bassett so as to
avoid being tainted. This is unfortunate in that Steven seems to
have tried very hard to help push their causes, but...well, never
mind.

>How the heck do I print the Congressional Hearing petition from
>Bob Dean's page? It's too big for my printer. Obviously I'm not
>that computer literate and would like some help. Where do I send
>it when I have lots of signatures?

I hope they have a logical place to send such a petition.

>One more thing. I'm 32 years old & a professional
>producer/director/videographer/editor for the City of Tampa's
>Government Access Television. I want to start putting all of my
>efforts into producing UFO/Paranormal documentaries. I really
>want to quit my job (It's so boring videotaping City government
>pieces!) and "do" UFOs full time.

Good luck, but I would advise against quiting your "day job".
Few are actually making a good living in this genre, and those
that are have been criticised as professionals who are biased in
support of their income.  You might also keep in mind that TLC
and TDC purchase their material from other sources and much of
UFO oriented material comes from the Great Britian, where a
number of paranormal documentary shows are produced.  IMHO, these
shows are often more tabloid than news oriented, and they are
being produced because they can turn a profit, and not because
they hope to lead to the "truth".

Just a few thoughts,

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From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:04:12 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:03:59 -0500
Subject: Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings

> From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:58:11 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: CSETI's Push for open hearings

> Hi all!

> I just sent out 15 letters (requesting open hearings on UFO
> secrecy) to the chairpersons on the committees that Dr. Greer
> stated were the important ones. I hope everybody, even if you
> dislike Dr. Greer, does this. This is not about personalities,
> this is about making your voice heard and pushing our elected
> officials into something that's long overdue. It doesn't take
> that long to write or call some of these Congresspersons or
> Senators. Maybe I'm naive, but I think it's going to work! The
> contact information is on CSETI's page.

<snipped>

> How the heck do I print the Congressional Hearing petition from
> Bob Dean's page? It's too big for my printer. Obviously I'm not
> that computer literate and would like some help. Where do I send
> it when I have lots of signatures?

Hi Joe,

Working as I do in a government position myself, although a
little closer to the action, I found that the only time that our
elected officials take notice of petitions is when they have a
desk with uneven legs. They can use it to level it up. A few
thousand names out of 260 million doesn't carry much weight with
government. No one is going to loose his/her seat over a few
thousand names.

> Raring to go and waiting to quit my cushy government
> job in Tampa,

> Joe

Joni Mitchell said.."you don't know what you got til it's
gone"... Good jobs are hard to come by these days.:-) Besides,
someone in the Tampa govt. might be a sympathizer and of help
later on. I found a few in mine.

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From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:15:04 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:07:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


> From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST

> Those of you invovled in Ufology and UFO sightings and abduction
> promotion might take a moment to think about the effects of this
> stuff on people in Asia: Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Hong Kong,
> China, Singapore, Malaysia, India, etc.

<snipped>

> Many Americans, with
> their silly belief in aliens and UFOs and conspiracies etc, are
> messing up  other parts of the world. It's a real shame. As you
> can see I am a skeptic and a nonbeliever, and I fear for the way
> AMERICA is messing up the rest of the world. Ever notice how
> these UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
> sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
> USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
> nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

> Americans are so damned concerned with their own navels! It's
> really messing up the world. Just something to think about; not
> that anyone cares (they are so self-obsessed, another American
> hobby...)

> Terry Walker
> apt_6f@hotmail.com
> TAIWAN

> (where the aliens never land and there are no UFO sightings,
> thank G-d!)

Now you've done it Terry. I can't think of a quicker way to find
out how many unexplained sightings there have been in the
countries you listed above (including Tiawan) than to say that
there are no reports there. Clever ploy my son. Be prepared to be
deluged with reports. And I can't believe you put Japan in
there.

Have at him folks..but be gentle.

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                      Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:42:48 -0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia


>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:48:15 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

>>From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia
>>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:37:23 -0200

>>Dear colleagues and friends,

>>Can anyone among you give me a hand to complete the biographical
>>entry about Dr. John Mack for my Encyclopedia of UFOs and
>>Anomalous Aeroespatial Phenomena ?

>Philippe,

>Wouldn't it make the most sense to just contact John and
>ask him for this information?

>Bob

Dear Bob,

Of course it would be better to contact John directly and obtain
the data from him. I've tried to do so ! If I had succeeded I
wouldn't look after the assistance from our colleagues and
friends. If I am doing so, its because I couldn't locate Dr.
Mack.

Philippe
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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: George Barkouris <apurimac@compulink.gr>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:14:45 MSK-3MSD
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:12:10 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'

>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
>From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>As for the symbols:

>"I thought at first it looked like hieroglyphics, but it wasn't.
>Hieroglyphics have animal forms birds, and cats, and things, but
>this wasn't hieroglyphics. It resembled it. Geometric forms and
>figures, solid forms, but not any kind of recognizable numbers or
>letters or anything like that. More like squares, triangles,
>circular ellipsoids, put together in various combinations to form
>different types of occurrences. I do recall very strongly it was
>a metallic, purplish color".

>"And the hieroglyphics were embossed on that. So they stood out
>from that".

 A possible explanation on what this symbols are...

 check at: http://members.aol.com/nsp97/rosglyph.htm

 >Roswell Glyph Deciphered<

 regards,

 George Barkouris

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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: neil morris <neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:53:44 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:14:47 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'


> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
> From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> Regarding...

> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> Bob wrote,

> >Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still the
> >debris footage to deal with.

> Bob,

> The 'debris' footage arrived late on the scene and is of course
> the only 'tie-in' with the 'Roswell' case.

<snip>

?tie in?

MMmmm? I thought the main contention of the AA Film was the fact
that it WASN'T related to the "Classic" Roswell case and
alledgedly happened 1 month earlier and 125 miles away near
Soccoro.?

If any case out there can be tied in with it, (and has been, if
witness statements can be believed) it should be the Barney
Barnett story.

Best Regards All
Neil.

Neil Morris.
Atomic and Molecular Physics Group.
Dept of Physics and Astronomy.
University of Manchester.
UK.
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From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:05:00 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:45:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/16/98 8:17 AM:
>  From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries
>  Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST

>  For
>  example, when TIME and NEWSWEEK made big deals of out Roswell and
>  the Phoenix hoax last year

Please indicate how the Pheonix sightings were hoaxed.

>  Ever notice how
>  these UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
>  sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
>  USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
>  nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

This is the kind of thing that passes for argumentation in "skeptical"
circles. I've seen it again and again.

I think you need to spend a little time with the case literature, such
as the Project 1947 EM Effects catalog from which the following
excerpts were extracted. You'll notice that these cases are not in
the US, France, or other European countries,  and are often from
rural areas or over the ocean, and a number of them date from
before major US press coverage of UFOs.

Jan 1942                Arjeplog, Sweden        E. Thorander;
object/humanoid/effects Stig Aggestad Kuslig narkontakt skramde
katt och pojke          Original        UFO-Information, 1981, nr l, p. 17

1944            India   glowing disc immobilized airplane
Original        Winkler: Catalog of UFO-like data before 1947 (1984),
p. 60, from: Flying Saucers Magazine n. 18 and Constable: sky
creatures (1976), no page given.

February, 1944  2:30AM   4,500 feet over Bass Strait (Aus)
�...the plane gained a most unusual companion. A "dark shadow"
appeared along side the plane and kept pace with it, at a distance
of only some 100 to 150 feet. The Beaufort was travelling at about
235 miles per hour. The object appeared to have a flickering light
and flame belching from its rear end. Only about 15 feet of the rear
end of the UFO was visible to the bomber crew, apparently due to
"reflection of light from the exhaust." The strange object stayed
with the bomber for some 18 to 20 minutes, during which time all
radio and direction finding instruments refused to function. It finally
accelerated away from the plane at approximately three times the
speed of the bomber. Upon landing, the pilot reported the incident
to his base superiors, but he claimed he was only laughed at.
Such a reaction seems extraordinary in retrospect since it turns
out that Beauforts figured heavily in official RAAF list of planes
that "went missing without trace" during World War Two in the
Bass Strait area - an area that was not linked to any significant
enemy activity. I have been told that the Beauforts had a
mechanical problem that may have accounted for some of
these losses.�

From legion@werple.net.au  10/97 Source: Bill Chalker   Bill
Chalker: Australian A.F. report files. APRO Bulletin, v.30 n.10
pp.5-7. Bill Chalker: Historical Australian UFO reports.
UFO Research Australia Newsletter, v.4 n.3 (Nov-Dec. 1983) p.30
Aug 28, 1945            Btn Okinawa and Iwo Jima        Three brilliant
white-colored balls pace AAF plane.EM effects.C46 had engine
trouble, lost altitude as 3 UFOs observed from plane.
OriginalMark Cashman, 11/97     (EC #1)Stringfield, Leonard, _Inside
Saucer Post...3-0 Blue_, 1957, The Moeller Printing Co., Cincinnati,
OHUFO Evidence, p73

Aug. 14, 1947   0900    Raveo (Italy)   R. L. Johannis saw a disk on the
ground  and two dwarfs less than 1 m tall, wearing dark blue
coveralls with red collars and belts. They had over-sized heads,
greenish faces, huge, salient dark eyes without eyelashes or
eyebrows, but surrounded by a ringlike muscle. They wore
something similar to crash helmets.  The center of their belts
projected a "vapor,"and the witness suffocated, feeling a strong
electrical discharge. The creature had greenish hands with eight
talonlike fingers. (Humanoids 2; Magonia; FRS67, 1).
Mark Cashman 8/97       Vallee Magonia  63

July 19, 1952   4:30 PM Madre de Dios, Peru     Round object making a
buzzing sound seen in sky after two-way radio went dead. Object later
seen and photographed at Porto Maldonado. Original Updated by Mark
Cashman 5/97    UFO Investigator, Vol. 1, No. 2, p. 33 (wrong year given)
Gross: UFOS: A History 1951.  UFO Photographs Around the World Vol.2
(A.Roberts/W.Stevens..1985), thanks to Victor J.Kean2Loren Gross�s
UFO:s a history, the 1951 booklet pages 34 and 35, courtesy Anders
Liljegren 3UFO Investigator of September 1957 courtesy Anders Liljegren
4 Video: UFO Sightings: The Photographic Evidence Vol 2; Wendelle
Stevens

Aug 17, 1953    18:00   Ciudad Valles, Mexico    Salvidor Villanueva, 40,
noted failure in his auto engine. As he tried to make repairs he was
approached by two men, 4 ft. tall wearing gray coveralls and carrying
helmets. An object 40 ft. across, disc-shaped with a dome and humming
sound was seen. It ascended vertically at high speed. Bushes and sticks
were found broken at the site. This formed a circle 40 to 45 ft. across.
(FSR 1-70)                      Phillps Trace Catalog case 55, FSR 1-70,
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/phillips.htm

Feb, 2, 1955            near Valera, Venezuela  �Commercial airliner en-route
from Barqisimeto; radio went dead both at Valera and Barqisimeto as
pilot started to report a UFO sighting.�                Mark Cashman 11/97
UFO
Evidence p 74

May 1, 1956             Tokyo, Japan    �TV pictures distorted as UFO passed
over.�          Mark Cashman 11/97      UFO Evidence p 74

Dec, 1956               Far East        �Visual and radar sighting of round UFO
by Air
Force jet pilot�                Mark Cashman 11/97      UFO Evidence p 74

Jan 30, 1958            near Lima, Peru �Truck, bus, and car passengers felt
shock; motors of all three vehicles failed as UFO descended and
hovered.�               Mark Cashman 11/97      UFO Evidence p 75

Sept 5 , 1958
9:15 p.m.       northern part of Funen  A young lady riding home on her
auto-cycle...passed a farm when her motor stop.She could not
restart it and disengaged the motor and cycled on. About 500 m in
front and to her left was a light like an automobile headlight
come down and toward here.When it was about 1 m from the ground,
it continued on at this height.It took a 90 degree turn directly
for her, but before it reached the road it turned again at 90
degrees and continued on its original course.She cycled home
frightened.Later she took her auto-cycle in for repair, but the
mechanic could find nothing wrong with the motor.Two other
witnesses had seen a light short before her. No traces found on
investigation. Original SUFOI report.

Oct 3, 1958     1:40PM  Fukishima-Ken Japan     Green fireball observed
from 4 different locations, one on mountainside looking down on
object. Mountain location experienced a �strange buzz� on their
radio during object passage. Jan Aldrich CUFOS trip 1997 8/97 MSC
CUFOS 8/5/60

March 19 1965   7:00 p. m.      Near Himeji (Btn Hiroshima and
Osaka, Japan)   Luminous object follows plane.Automatic direction
finder and radio effected. Also, a report by another airline pilot being
chased near Matsuyama City      Original Pacific Stars & Stripes, 21 March 1965

January 30, 1970 9:30 PM Mrewa, Rhodesia        �Two policemen on night
patrol in a remote part of  Mrewa on Friday night saw 3 �flying
saucers� appear from the sky, then hover in a red glow before
disappearing behind a hill. And as they watched, the headlights
of their Mini-Moke suddenly failed and 10 minutes later just as
suddenlty came on again.�  Jan Aldrich CUFOS trip 1997 8/97 MSC
Front page headline of �The Sundaty Mail Reporter�

Jan 21 1979 Kuwait      Object with dome landed in oil field. Automatic
pumping equipment stopped , restarted when UFO left.
Jan Aldrich 10/97       Richard Hall MUFON Journal 192, originally 181-6

>  Americans are so damned concerned with their own navels! It's
>  really messing up the world. Just something to think about; not
>  that anyone cares (they are so self-obsessed, another American
>  hobby...)

>  Terry Walker
>  apt_6f@hotmail.com
>  TAIWAN

>  (where the aliens never land and there are no UFO sightings,
>  thank G-d!)

Debunkers are so wrapped up in their own navels they think that a
priori belief (i.e. prejudice) is a substitute for scientific
inquiry.

Sure, there are more UFO reports recorded in the US. There are
and have been several major civilian research organizations in
the US, along with a major and public inquiry by the USAF. Places
like India don't even have a MUFON representative. Furthermore,
there are 250,000,000+ people in the US covering a massive land
area fairly evenly.

Taiwan, on the other hand, has a population of about 15,000,000,
with ten percent of that tied up in Taipei. And while my catalogs
don't contain any Taiwanese UFO sightings, I am sure there have
been UFO sightings there, just as every formerly thought to be
free of UFO report area has proven once an investigatory presence
came into existence.

------
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http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
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                               Charles Schmid?

From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:50 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:24:40 -0500
Subject: Charles Schmid?


>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
>From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

JAMES -- Quoting from your recent post on UpDates:

>Another witness to the debris, Charles Schmid, described "some
>material that looked like wood" and which "had some writing that
>looked like flowers on just one side". He added, "it had pink
>petals, centred like a flower".

Who's Schmid?  He's a new one on me.  What's your source on him?

BTW, as I'm sure you know, the description of the "members" as "I
beams" comes only from Dr. Marcel, and this not until sometime
well after he was first interviewed by Moore/Friedman.  (This
fact somehow always gets swept under the ufological rug in
discussions of who saw what when.)  All other credible witnesses
to the debris found on the Foster Ranch, including Dr. Marcel's
father (Schmid, too?), describe the "members" as being of square
or rectangular cross section, 3/8 of an inch or so, and
balsa-like (or, flat out, balsa) to boot.

-- Cheers, KARL








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From: Martin.Cousins@britcoun.org
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:06:29 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:47:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Washington DC 1952 investigation


> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952 investigation
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:30:12 EST

> >From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

> >> From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
> >> To: updates@globalserve.net
> >> Subject: Re: Michael Fousse discusses Washington DC 1952
> >investigation

> > >>>Hey Jack.

> >If you are interested in the 1952 Washington National Airport
> >Sightings you ought to read. Edward J. Ruppelts - 'The Report on
> >Unidentified Flying Objects', Chapter 12, "The Washington
> >Merry-go-round". This chapter is entirely on these events and
> >most of it is insider information which was NEVER chronicled in
> >the newspapers.  Ruppelt was at that time the head of Project
> >Blue Book and was the one who coined the term "UFO" issued in the
> >1952 press release describing these events.

> >Gary Alevy

> Hello The List, and hello Gary...

> Only one chapter? Gee, wouldn't it be fun if you typed
> it in for us? ...Or if you have a scanner... Or maybe
> just the highlights? I'm not going to buy the book just
> to read chapter 12. Besides, how can I be sure of the
> accuracy of its contents? Someone is going to look at
> some back newspapers which I am sure are available, and
> therein will be found the most reliable of information.
> I have to say this first, then if the book has something
> more to offer... Well, we shall see.

> Regards,

> Jack


Jack,

Kevin Randle has already responded before me but I will add
that I do not consider it "fun" to distribute copyrighted
materials illegally.

Its interesting that you would not consider purchasing one of
the few books that most researchers in this field consider a
seminal book in the history of the UFO phenomenon.  Are you
involved in this field seriously or for "fun"?  Who is your
royal "we"?

As far as Ruppelt's accuracy - almost 40 years of FOIA releases
have backed up what he described back in '56.  Some of the the
material he discusses has still to be released.

If you are looking to newspapers for accuracy consider this, he
describes how and why newspaper reporters were fed information
and managed, that was part of his job.  The discussion of their
exclusion from the control tower at Washington National Airport
is of note.  Remember these were the post-war years and
pre-Watergate.

This book is perhaps one of the five most important in
understanding historical ufology if you don't want to own it
borrow it from the library, I think you will be pleasantly
surprised and challenged by it.


Gary








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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:35:53 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:07:11 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'

In a message dated 98-01-16 08:22:37 EST, you write:

>  Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
>  From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>  Regarding...

>  >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>  >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Bob wrote,

>  >Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still the
>  >debris footage to deal with.


>  Bob,

>  The 'debris' footage arrived late on the scene and is of course
>  the only 'tie-in' with the 'Roswell' case.

>  Arguably that footage alone should be sufficient proof the entire
>  video 'evidence' is an accomplished hoax.


>  As we know, when Dr Jesse Marcel remembered seeing metallic
>  'I-beams' with embossed 'hieroglyphics', this became a foundation
>  for claims that the Roswell case concerned the crash of an ET
>  craft.

>  To recap on some of the issues, this is a relevant extract from
>  "The Day Before Roswell" article I wrote last year:

>  As noted, Dr Marcel was shown some of the wreckage by his late
>  father. The revived story having gathered momentum and attention,
>  on a number of occasions, Dr Marcel described metallic 'I-beams'
>  with symbols, recalled as part of that wreckage.

>  "There were I-beam fragments that had writing on the inside of
>  them", he claimed.


As I recall of the various tales coming from the Scamtilli camp
this supposed footage was all taken at the end of May 30? 1947
according to the cameraman NOT the Roswell crash of early July
1947.

The "debris" footage always struck me as something trying to tie
the two events together or at least muddy the waters between May
30, and Roswell.

So far we have no proof that there was ANY kind of military
operation at the end of May 1947 in New Mexico to recover the
alleged crashed UFO that the cameraman allegedly filmed?

So we should not be mixing the film, and the Roswell event
in the same bowl.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers,
Robert





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                     AP: Scientists Stand By Mars Theory

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:46:57 EST
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Subject: AP: Scientists Stand By Mars Theory

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Scientists Stand By Mars Theory

.c The Associated Press

 By PAUL RECER

WASHINGTON (AP) - NASA scientists who say they found evidence of
Martian microbes in a rock that came from Mars are not impressed
with two studies that say the rock actually contains organic
contaminants from Earth.

In reports published today in the journal Science, researchers at
the University of Arizona, Tucson, and the Scripps Institute of
Oceanography conclude that amino acids and carbon found in the
Mars rock got there after it landed on Earth and lay on Antarctic
ice for thousands of years.

The findings dispute a theory by a NASA-led team that interpreted
chemical traces and minute tubular forms in the rock as fossil
evidence of Martian microbes.

``Neither paper changes our original hypothesis,'' said Everett
K. Gibson Jr., a NASA researcher. ``They don't shake our belief
one bit.''

Gibson and David S. McKay, both of the Johnson Space Center in
Houston, announced in August 1996 that they had found evidence of
life in a meteorite from Mars. The rock, called ALH84001, was
found in an ice field in Antarctica and has been identified
chemically as originating from Mars.

The theory that the rock once contained Mars microbes has been
questioned by experts, and the new studies in Science are the
latest to offer alternate explanations for the lifelike chemistry
found inside the rock.

J. Warren Beck of the University of Arizona, a co-author of one
study, said his group analyzed part of ALH84001 for organic
carbon, an essential chemical for life. He said there were four
types of carbon found and most of it originated on Earth,
probably from contamination that got into the potato- sized rock
while it was on the ice.

But Beck acknowledged that his team found ``a mystery carbon
component'' that could be extraterrestrial.

``What we found does weaken their case, but it does not rule out
the possibility for life on Mars,'' said Beck. ``We have left the
door open to there being extraterrestrial organic carbon in this
rock.''

Jeffrey L. Bada of Scripps, however, said that his study clearly
disproves the Gibson-McKay theory.

The Scripps researchers analyzed the Mars rock for amino acids,
organic compounds that form proteins and are fundamental to life.
Bada said his team was looking at the chemical symmetry of the
amino acids. On Earth, amino acids have a left-hand symmetry.

``If there is really evidence for Mars life in these meteorites,
then amino acids should provide a diagnostic indication,'' said
Bada.

Amino acids were found at very low levels, he said, ``but they
look just like the ones on Earth.''

``More importantly, the handiness of the amino acids is left,
just like on Earth,'' said Bada.

Additionally, he said the amino acids matched those that are
found in the Antarctic ice.

Bada said the work suggests that the rocks soaked up moisture
from the ice where they lay for thousands of years and that this
water contained organic compounds, including the amino acids. If
the amino acids were from Martian life, he said, then they should
have been different from amino acids on Earth.

``When you find something that looks just like it came from
Earth, you are on very dangerous ground to conclude anything else
but that it came from Earth,'' said Bada.

Gibson, however, said that Bada's team analyzed a sample that
included minerals from around the lifelike structures in the rock
that he and McKay found. A true test, he said, would be to
analyze only the lifelike structures.

For instance, he said, an analysis of a chocolate chip cookie
would give different results, depending on what part of the
cookie is tested.

In that analogy, said Gibson, the NASA team examined only the
chocolate chips, while the Scripps team looked at the whole
cookie.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:25:49 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
>  has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
>  or the other.

>  Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
>  accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
>  the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
>  (there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
>  Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
>  would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
>  just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
>  you ?

>  Philip.

  Phillip,

  General thoughts about the film.

If the film was done by FX professionals, or anybody with a
background, we won't see anything in the film to suggest that it
is phony unless of course somebody comes forward.  Meaning that
research was done so that everything  appeared to be "in
period."

You recall the fairy photograph hoax that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
fell for in the early part of this century.  It wasn't until one
or both of the sisters were at the end of their life that they
'fessed up to the hoax and how they used cutouts of the fairys etc
etc.

Likewise I suspect that if somebody manufactured this film, we
won't find out about it until 20-50 years from now when the
person fesses up to it.

I have seen some of the TV footage from the FX experts who say
its real and phony, and in one case as I recall they even show
how someone could have done it including setting up a dead alien
corpse.

Needless to say in our day and age getting film of a phony dead
alien is no big deal. This suggests to me that we should at
leaste examine the film.

Santilli has endless promised to provide 1 or 2 frames of the
film so that they could be examined by Kodak and or other
experts.  Has not happened inspite of all of Rays
tales/claims/stories/promises.  Sure makes you wonder about Ray
and if he knows something about the film.

The cameraman is alleged to have claimed that the crash happened
at the end of May1947.  I have yet to see or hear of ANY proof
that ANY kind of military operation took place in, around during
May 1947 that was remotely connected with a crashed UFO.

I have also noticed how some have attempted to connect the film
and Roswell even though the two events are seperated by a month.

At the time I wondered  about the *possibility* that   the film
was something designed to "discredit" the events at Roswell. You
know connect the two in the general public's  mind, then we have
the public examinations  and interviews with FX experts on how it
could, or how they would have faked it, then in general publics
mind the film is a fake, so  Roswell is a fake also......

In the final examination it seems like everybody is sitting
around waiting for Ray to do something and Ray isn't doing
anything nor is he showing any signs that he plans to do anything
all his tales and stories aside.


Cheers,
Robert









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                     Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings

From: Terry Blanton <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:53:54 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:27:37 -0500
Subject: Re: CSETI's Push for open hearings

Joe Murgia wrote:

> From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:58:11 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: CSETI's Push for open hearings

<snip>

> How the heck do I print the Congressional Hearing petition from
> Bob Dean's page? It's too big for my printer. Obviously I'm not
> that computer literate and would like some help. Where do I send
> it when I have lots of signatures?

<snip>

Go to "file", "page setup" and "paper size" and set the paper for
"landscape" instead of "portrait".  And quoting, "When this or
similar petition is completed, please send to: Coalition for
Honesty in Government, Stargate International, PO Box 85159,
Tucson AZ 85754-5159."

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                      Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

From: David Sielaff <dsielaff@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:09:42 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:29:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Martian 'Face' Is No Accident

(1) Re: Sitchin,

I typset a book for a Sumerian scholar (and a history of
religions professor) a few years ago. Recently I asked her about
Sitchin's work and his theories. She had not heard of him or his
theories. She said the group of Sumerian scholars is quite small,
less than 100 people. They know each other and interact. There
are no Sumerian dictionaries, lexicons or grammars and the
language must be taught personally by someone who has studied
under others. She could not imagine how Sitchin could be
self-taught. He must have been privately tutored. There are no
ongoing discussions of Sitchin's views or anything like them in
her scholarly circle.

However, she did state that accepted translations can be
difficult, can be in error, and that all who "play the game" of
scholarship have preconceptions and cannot stray too far out of
the accepted path. It did not concern her that Sitchin's ideas
were radical, or not accepted.

(2) Re: Roper Poll,

How can I get hold of the original Roper Poll on abductions? I am
not interested in the various reports of the conclusions. There
are many of those. I want the original report, the raw data, or a
copy of the report itself.

What was the background of it? Who commissioned it? Who funded
it? Any help will be appreciated.

Dave







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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:32:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


>From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST

>Those of you invovled in Ufology and UFO sightings and abduction
>promotion might take a moment to think about the effects of this
>stuff on people in Asia: Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, Hong Kong,
>China, Singapore, Malaysia, India, etc.

<snip>

>can see I am a skeptic and a nonbeliever, and I fear for the way
>AMERICA is messing up the rest of the world. Ever notice how
t>hese UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
>sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
>USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
>nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

Evidently this guy never heard of sightings in 'Nam during the
war in the late 60's-70's

>Americans are so damned concerned with their own navels! It's
>really messing up the world. Just something to think about; not
>that anyone cares (they are so self-obsessed, another American
>hobby...)

>Terry Walker
>apt_6f@hotmail.com
>TAIWAN

Evidently this guy knows nothing abou the sightings that have
occurred in those countries quite independently of anything in
the USA. Evidently this guy doesn't know that in the late 1940's
the CIA and AF collected sightings from other countries....long
before the the Roswell hoopla and Phoenix, etc.    Evidently this
guy doesn't know much UFO history .......if any.

However, it is disturbing to learn that the people in Asia
(apparently pay more attention to UFO events in the USA
than in their own countries.









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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:33 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:34:23 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'


Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

Regarding...

>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


Bob wrote,

>Let's not forget in our haste to dismiss this that there is still the
>debris footage to deal with.


Bob,

The 'debris' footage arrived late on the scene and is of course
the only 'tie-in' with the 'Roswell' case.

Arguably that footage alone should be sufficient proof the entire
video 'evidence' is an accomplished hoax.

As we know, when Dr Jesse Marcel remembered seeing metallic
'I-beams' with embossed 'hieroglyphics', this became a foundation
for claims that the Roswell case concerned the crash of an ET
craft.

I am again amused by the emphasis on whether or not symbols on
the I beams were marks on tape, or marks transferred to wood
beams from the tape, etc.

Generally overlooked is the fact that the "beams" in a radar
target assembly did not look like an I-beam.  They were
rectangular.  Has anyone talked about balsa wood beams in radar
targets that actually have the form of I-beams (with top and
bottom horizontal segments, unlike the stupid capitol I printed
here) ?  I suspect that the term "I-beam" never would have been
brought up if the actual beams (or whatever they were) actually
were square or rectangular in cross-section.








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                            Chat with Jeff Rense

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:08:31 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:38:09 -0500
Subject: Chat with Jeff Rense


Join The UFO Forums special guest Jeff Rense, well known radio
personality of the famous SIGHTINGS radio show, Sunday, January
18th, 6pm, PT, for a hard look at how the media can and does
effect what we know about the UFO phenonmenon. This chat is
available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

A special audio interview will be available via Netshow on the
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                      Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:37:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:39:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:48:34 -0500
>From: Michelle <Michelle@aspi.net> [Michelle LaVigne]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia


>> >Dear colleagues and friends,

>> >Can anyone among you give me a hand to complete the biographical
>> >entry about Dr. John Mack for my Encyclopedia of UFOs and
>> >Anomalous Aeroespatial Phenomena ?

><Snipped>

>Philippe,

>You can get all this information from the media rep at PEER
>(program for Extraordinary Experience Reasearch)

>Their address is:

>PEER
>1493 Cambridge St
>Cambridge, MA 02139

>The phone number is 617-497-2667

Hi PM,

You may want to contact Budd too, as he was the one that Mack
went to in the very beginning.

Good Luck,

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Steve Neeley <stneeley@mail.bright.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:56:42 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:02:11 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>>Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>>>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800


>>I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that
>>what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin.  I
>>think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon,
>>whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin.

Why do you think its called

"MOTHER EARTH" ?

Steve

Steve Neeley
Hardin County Ohio Skywatch &
Sighter Support
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                      Idaho Teacher Gets Turn in Space

From: RSchatte <RSchatte@aol.com> [Rebecca]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:50:13 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:05:18 -0500
Subject: Idaho Teacher Gets Turn in Space

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Idaho Teacher Gets Turn in Space

.c The Associated Press

 By MARK WARBIS

McCALL, Idaho (AP) - In the 12 years since her friend and fellow
teacher Christa McAuliffe died in the Challenger explosion,
Barbara Morgan had heard the same question over and over.

``Not a day has gone by that people haven't asked me when I'm
going to fly,'' she said.

On Friday, Morgan, 46, finally got the go-ahead from NASA to
begin training for a shuttle flight. She will become America's
Teacher in Space.

``It's been very frustrating that it takes so long, but I know
many astronauts who have waited a lot longer, starting back in
the Mercury days,'' Morgan said last week in her third-grade
classroom.

Morgan was on the ground at Cape Canaveral, Fla., as the Teacher
in Space backup when the Challenger exploded on Jan. 28, 1986,
killing all seven astronauts, including Ms. McAuliffe, a high
school teacher from New Hampshire.

The Teacher in Space program was put on hold after the disaster
because of safety concerns.

Over the years, Morgan remained with the program, underwent
annual astronaut physicals and, until cutting back last fall to
spend more time in the classroom, traveled one week a month on
education and public relations duties for the space agency.

``What Christa was trying to do then has not changed. All of that
is really important. And that's part of my motivation for making
sure it still happens,'' Morgan said. ``Every year we have a new
generation of classroom students. Every year there's more for us
to learn about our universe.''

NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin said Morgan will be added to the
astronaut roster for an unspecified flight. He also announced
that Sen. John Glenn, now 76, will return to space for the first
time since 1962 on a shuttle mission scheduled for October.

``We're tickled,'' said Steven Lowder, superintendent of the
McCall-Donnelly School District. ``It's like what one of the
employees said when I gave her the news. She said, `I'm getting
goosebumps and I think I'm going to cry.' We're pleased for Barb
because she has just put so much energy and dedication and
commitment into this.''

Morgan, a mother of two boys, ages 10 and 8, and the wife of
writer Clay Morgan, said she remains in excellent condition.

She admitted being annoyed by the long delay after the Challenger
disaster, but said she remained confident NASA eventually would
try to continue what Ms.
McAuliffe started.

``I'm in the business of education and teachers are persistent
and patient,'' Morgan said.

As for the risks, she said: ``Safety is an important issue, but
living in a risk-free world is a big mistake. If we are not
willing as a society to take some risk for learning, for our
future, then we are not doing enough.''

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                  Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:36:08 -0500
Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation


>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:46:48 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: ... Washington DC 1952 investigation

<snip>

(quoting from Ruppelt's book:)

>of the United States. We talked for about two hours, and I was
>ready to leave when he said that he had one last comment to make
>-- a prediction.

>From his study of the UFO reports that he was getting from Air
>Force Headquarters, and from discussions with his colleagues, he
>said that he thought that we were sitting right on top of a big
>keg full of loaded flying saucers. "Within the next few days," he
>told me, and I remember that he punctuated his slow, deliberate
>remarks hitting the desk with his fist, "they're going to blow up
>and you're going to have the granddaddy of all UFO sightings. The
>sighting will occur in Washington or New York," he predicted,
>"probably Washington."

>.The trend in the UFO reports that this scientist based his
>prediction on hadn't gone unnoticed. We on Project Blue Book had
>seen it, and so had the people in the Pentagon: we all had talked
>about it.

>end of Ruppelt quotation.

NOTE:   Starting in April, 1952 the sighting rate began to rise
rapidly. Statistics I have published in "THE UFO FBI CONNECTION"
are as follows, starting in January, 1952: J -
15,F-17,M-23,A-82,M-79,J-148, July -536, A -326,, S-124,
Oct-61,Nov. 50, Dec.--42.   Total= 1503.   The Air Force had
never seen anything like the sighting rates from April through
Sept.   In July they were consistently getting 15 -20 or more
reports per day from all over the USA.   No wonder someone
predicted in July that there would be a "big event."  It was, in
fact an "easy" prediction.   The Washington DC sighitngs during
the last two weekends in July were publicized more widely than
any of the other HUNDREDS of sightings and so when Gen. Samford
called his press conference, evidently to quiet things down a
bit, he only had to concentrate on those sightings.  Most
reporters were unaware of what the AF knew:  namely that military
sightings had been occurring all over the  country.   Hence the
reporters did not push the general to explain some sightings that
were even more bizarre and unexplainable than the DC sightings.

1952 was, indeed, the YEAR OF THE UFO.... and merits two chapters
in my UFO/FBI/Real X files book. It was also the year that the AF
admitted to the FBI that there were unexplainable cases and
"interplanetary" was being considered.







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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: setag@cyberspace.org, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:02:52 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:08:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

Received via "alt.alien.visitors" December 16 at 20.56 local time (GMT
+ 1 hour):


*******

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:41:11 -0600
From: setag@cyberspace.org
Subject: new eye witnesses phoenix sighting
Message-ID: <884977743.744685569@dejanews.com>

Go to art bell's homepage and follow his links to the real audio
archives. On one of his program's this past week, some
eyewitnesses to the march 13th siting have been interviewed and
what they have to say is nothing short of extraordinary.  I am
not talking about the crappy video footage of the so called
flares.  We've all seens hundreds of video tape of this sort.
What these witnesses describe is a triangle shaped object about
1000 feet in the air that was immense in size.  Many of the
witnesses estimated the object to be over 20 blocks long!  Many
got out of there cars to watch it fly by as it was moving very
slowly at this point. Some even reported that the object was so
low there headlights reflected off of it. It obviously was using
some sort of anti-gravity propulsion.  Also the lady who is
taking a stand running for office in AZ was interviewed last
week.  For those that are skeptics to the whole UFO thing, well
you are the same type that told columbus the world is flat. The
universe is humungous.  There are billions of planets out there
and you think earth is the only one that supports life?  WAKE UP!
 We have a bigger issue at hand.  Our government has been hiding
from us one of the most important discoveries of all of human
history for over 50 years.

If you all want to continue living in the "earth is the center of
the universe" dreamworld then go ahead.  Don't be rudely
interrupted when a UFO lands in broad daylight for all to see.


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                          June '97 Scotish Sighting

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:12:19 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:46:50 -0500
Subject: June '97 Scotish Sighting

--

Hi Group,

Here are a couple of interesting sightings from last year,that took
place here in Scotland.I thought I would forward these to the list
members as they are slightly unusual in nature.
May the coming year be a fruitful one and good luck and good health to
you all............................Dave Ledger.


DUNDONALD SIGHTING,AYRSHIRE,SCOTLAND.
Date:June 1997.
Source: The Kilmarnock Standard: 4\7\97 11\7\97 25\7\97\
(Special thanks to Mark at Haunted Scotland for these reports)
------------------------------------------------------------------

About a dozen people watched a strange spectacle over Dundonald
at around the end of June. For about two hours an unidentified
flying object appeared to drift over several houses. At first the
object seemed to be elliptical and was about the size of a large
radar satellite dish. There seemed to be 14 or 15 flashing lights
underneath it as the object drifted over houses in Auchans Drive
and Cochrane Avenue.

People watched it from around 11.20pm to 1.20am. At times it
seemed to change its shape to resemble a large letter �M�. The
object often changed altitude to just over the roof tops and at
other times at a very high altitude. Some witnesses were
genuinely afraid others were astounded.

Debbie McNally described the thing, "as a series of circles,
giving off lights and rotating." Residents in the area also
believed that the UFO caused their light bulbs to blow.

The Kilmarnock Standard put forward the explanation that it could
have been a Gegenschein, although it is very rarely seen as far
North as Scotland. It appears in the sky, exactly opposite the
sun, after sunset and is caused by dust in the atmosphere. That
dust, says the Standard could have come from the volcano in
Montserrat and the flashing lights could have been stars!

On June the 27th members of the Ralston family from Saltcoats saw
something strange over Dundonald, " which kept disappearing and
coming back." By the time Mr. Ralston was back home in Saltcoats,
Ayrshire, they saw, "three layers of electric blue triangles
inside an oval shape which hovered just above the rooftops,
tilting on its side. It would disappear for a few seconds and
come back lower down in the sky. This lasted up to one hour and
then it disappeared. It was very frightening.

Philippa Knapp also saw something strange over Dundonald the same
night. She said: "My husband, son and friend and I all saw it. My
husband referred to them as lights but my son and myself thought
they were more like a cloud type substance of a purple shade,
small circles rotating forming a larger circle. We watched it
come towards us over the rooftops in Castleview from the
South-West direction. As it got close to us it changed shape,
swirled to its right then left and disappeared, but two or three
minutes later, exactly the same format took place. We observed it
for over an hour from about 11.35.

Local residents who witnessed the objects have rejected the
Gegenschein theory out of hand. More light bulbs in the area have
blown and there is an upsurge in failing electrical appliances.

Debbie McNally, using her sisters camera took a photo of the
�thing�. Every frame on the camera when developed turned out fine
but the one showing the mystery object turned out blank.


KILMARNOCK TRIANGLE SIGHTING.

In the last week there has been a sighting of a triangle object
over Kilmarnock, the person making the report is an amateur
astronomer and he described it as �sinister�. He said: "It was a
large object and it rose above houses at around 2.am., than
slowly flew off over London Road.

The object was kite shaped with three or four white lights around
the edges and a flashing red light in the centre."

The witness thought the object was on the "prowl".

Half an hour after the sighting he saw lightening in the sky,
which he thought odd as it was a clear night.
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               Sci-Fi Wire: Duchovny, Anderson Sign Until 2000

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:22:41 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:48:31 -0500
Subject: Sci-Fi Wire: Duchovny, Anderson Sign Until 2000

>From Sci-Fi Wire, a news servise of the Sci-Fi Channel. URL:

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/

******


3:26 pm ET, 15-Jan-98

(snipped)


--Sci-Fi Wire
              .

11.42 pm ET, 12-Jan-98


Duchovny, Anderson Sign Until 2000


X-Files co-stars Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny have agreed
to stay with the show until the year 2000, according to TV Guide.
The announcement came shortly after Fox said it would air at
least two more seasons of the series, with or without its current
stars.

The pair's decision to stick with the hit show was likely helped
by Fox's recently announced plans to move the X-File's shooting
location from Vancouver, B.C., to Los Angeles, Calif., something
first Duchovny and then Anderson had demanded. Duchovny has said
he would like to be closer to his L.A.-based wife and The Naked
Truth star T=E9a Leoni, while Anderson is said to be interested in
pursuing a movie career, which would all but require a move to
L.A.

In still more Files news, today Fox announced that an interactive
road show based on the series--dubbed "The X-Files Expo"--will
begin a 10-city U.S. tour in March. "The Expo will be a place for
people who like the show to get together and have a great time,"
said X-Files creator Chris Carter.

The tour is tentatively scheduled for the following dates and
cities: San Francisco, March 6-8; Los Angeles, March 13-15;
Dallas, March 20-22; Atlanta, March 27-29; Miami, April 3-5;
Chicago, April 17-19; Detroit, April 24-26; Boston, May 1-3; New
York, May 8-10; and Washington, D.C., May 15-17. Tickets for the
tour go on sale Jan. 20 and can be purchased through Ticketmaster
by calling 1-888-397-6849 or online by visiting
http://www.thex-files.com.


--Sci-Fi Wire
              .

10:51 pm ET, 12-Jan-98


King, Gibson Pen X-Files Episodes


Best-selling authors William Gibson and Stephen King have each
co-written upcoming episodes of The X-Files that will air on Fox during
the crucial February Nielsen sweeps month, according to published
reports. Gibson, best known for his groundbreaking SF novel
Neuromancer, penned his script--about the bizarre death of a computer
genius--with fellow SF author Tom Maddox.

Meanwhile, horror guru King co-wrote the episode "Chinga" with none
other than X-Files creator Chris Carter. Their story takes FBI agent
Dana Scully on vacation to King's home state of Maine, where she
discovers people suffering from self-inflicted wounds, apparently at
the direction of a young girl. The episode is slated to air on Feb. 8.

In addition to these special episodes, Fox will air a behind-the-scenes
X-Files feature on Feb. 1, which may feature scenes from the upcoming
Files movie, according to TV Guide.


--Sci-Fi Wire
              .

1:14 pm ET, 12-Jan-98


U-Haul Creates Roswell Tribute Truck


Today U-Haul International Inc. unveiled a new U-Haul truck image that
pays homage to what many believe was a UFO crash landing that took
place in Roswell, N.M., in 1947. The graphic, which will adorn the side
of about 300 U-Haul trucks in service, depicts a UFO, a large alien
figure pining for home, and the slogan "What happened in Roswell?"

The Roswell truck graphic was created in conjunction with the
International UFO Museum and Research Center as part of U-Haul's
"Salute to America" campaign, and a special version of the image with
the tag line "Everyone has to move sometime" will be donated to the
museum for permanent display. In honor of the event, which included the
unveiling of the first UFO U-Haul truck in front of the museum, Roswell
Mayor Tom Jennings proclaimed Jan. 12 "U-Haul UFO Day" in his city.

"It's a euphoric feeling here in Roswell," Jennings told Sci-Fi Wire by
phone from the unveiling ceremony. "It looks great."


--Sci-Fi Wire



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                       The Truth Behind 'The X-Files'

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:56:40 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:52:22 -0500
Subject: The Truth Behind 'The X-Files'

>From San Francisco Chronicle. URL:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/chronicle/article.cgi?file=3DED57189.DTL&dir
ectory=3D/chronicle/archive/1998/01/15

*******


Thursday, January 15, 1998 =B7 Page A23

=A91998 San Francisco Chronicle


The Truth Behind 'The X-Files'
Bill Bradley

Not just any TV show on UFOs could land the No. 1 spot among Bay
Area viewers ages 18-49. (The show is most popular here and
ironically, in Washington, D.C.) Could it be that the adventures
of FBI agents Fox Mulder and Dana Scully reflect not so much
fanciful fiction but indeed real life: the truth is out there,
and trust no one?

"The X-Files" engages deep anxieties among us about double-talk
and conspiracy, reflecting a profound distrust of big
institutions -- governmental, corporate and media.
(Interestingly, the press plays no role in the show, presumably
because the agents view it as clueless or bought off.)

The officially sanctioned double-talk of everyday corporate and
political life -- in which a call for "honest communication"
often means anything but -- has already made "Dilbert" a growth
industry and tech support a national joke. It takes a decidedly
sinister turn in "The X-Files"; the agents are countered at
nearly every turn by cleverly bland lies followed by terminal
force. In a line that's been applied to the Washington
fund-raising scandals, one of the agents' enigmatic informants
notes, "They only have one policy: 'Deny everything.' "

That might sound disconcertingly familiar to a lot of Americans
-- "X-Files" fans and otherwise. What's behind the official
denial? Well, in Mulder and Scully's universe, the double-talk of
official lies is the bodyguard of sinister conspiracies. And that
motive doesn't seem too laughable to a lot of us -- not in a
country where 75 percent of those polled believe that John F.
Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy.

"The X-Files" promises to become even more nefarious, and we love
that, too. As its popularity has skyrocketed over the past
four-plus years, the show's themes of conspiracy and coverups
involving aliens, technology, and elements of the national
security apparatus and private industry have sharpened. The
trailer for this summer's movie, called "The X-Files: Fight the
Future," declares: "For years, the world has seen reality
distorted, facts manipulated and truths hidden. But there's even
more to the story than anyone has ever suspected."

Again, we can relate to that. The show has already depicted
conspirators nefariously compiling a genetic catalog of the U.S.
population -- something that may have crossed the minds of some
folks at the real-life Human Genome Project -- and conducting
secret experiments on Americans using aerial spraying, myste
riously programmed electronic devices, a biological weapon, and
sinister TV signals not that dissimilar, really, from the cartoon
that caused seizures in Japanese children recently. One can only
imagine what more there might be for Mulder and Scully -- and for
us, too.

This is tremendously paranoid stuff. But it's also perfectly
pitched to the tone of the late '90s, which is, on the one hand,
placid and undemanding, reflecting the elite corporate, political
and media consensus. But the mood is also one of suspicion about
the present and anxiety about the future.

We've come to accept corruption and conspiracy as a matter of
course, but we're still uncomfortable with it. Last year's 25th
anniversary of the Watergate break-in was a bust for the simple
reason that most Americans believe that Watergate-level
corruption and conspiracy are now par for the course in U.S.
politics.

President Clinton has high poll numbers, but many Americans
despise the political culture he represents. It's a form of
cultural cognitive dissonance. "The X-Files" represents the
discordant notes. Indeed, there is something more than a little
disquieting about the naive old belief in One Big Union being
replaced by the paranoid new belief in One Big Conspiracy. If the
fix really is in, it's not illogical to conclude that there's
nothing to be done other than settle back in one's seat and root
for the Mulders and Scullys of the world as they "fight the evil
that would otherwise overcome us," as Mulder puts it.

There's just one thing. They wouldn't like that.


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               Re: Ufolawyer chatroom-Monday, January 19, 1998

From: UFOLAWYER1 <UFOLAWYER1@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:49:30 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:16:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Ufolawyer chatroom-Monday, January 19, 1998

Dear Friends;

Join me on Monday, January 19th at 6:00 pm,
PST, and every Monday thereafter, for discussions involving:

1. Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS) and its Freedom of
Information Act (FOIA) federal lawsuit against the Army based on
Lt. Col. (ret) Philip Corso's book 'Day After Roswell';

2. 'Destination Moon' project...a privately funded, civilian
rocket to the moon to verify the artificial structures at Sinus
Medii;

3. The upcoming debate with professional UFO lobbyist Steve
Bassett on the viability of amnesty, immunity, confidential
military and intelligence informants and Congressional Hearings;

4. The story and screenplay of 'The Ultimate Secret'...the first
Internet UFO serial;

5. The 'Healing Your Inner Alien' workshops; and

6  Whatever else is you want to discuss.

This chat is available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC
client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com
and the room or channel name is #briefing.

If you should have difficulties accessing the chatroom,
you can find detailed instructions at
http://forums.msn.com/ufo/chatmain.htm

I hope to see you all there. There is more work
ahead of us but there is also much excitement,
mystery and fun.

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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com> [Joseph Trainor]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:46:14 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:21:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

Yesterday I conducted an email interview with a Swiss citizen who
saw a UFO over Kimsar, a town in the Rajasthan desert about 450
miles southwest of New Delhi in India.

The sighting took place on December 24, 1997, at 11 p.m. New
Delhi time.  Eyewitnesses included two Swiss adults, four Swiss
children, and 12 residents of Kimsar, both Hindu and Muslim.  Not
an American in the bunch.

So tell us again, Terry, how UFOs are never seen in India...

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                  Current-Encounters: Portage County, Ohio

From: slk <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:01:50 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: Current-Encounters: Portage County, Ohio

Here is the Portage County, Ohio (Spauer/Neff Case), CE-1, located at:

http://www.evansville.net/~slk/portage.htm

on InterLink:UFO at "Casebook" at "1966".

PORTAGE  COUNTY  POLICE  CHASE
Date: April 17, 1966
Portage County, Ohio

(If this incident seems to be familiar to you, just maybe you saw
the motion picture, "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". This
report, also known as the Spauer/Neff Case, was the basis for the
UFO "chase" in this film.  F.R.)

One of the most dramatic encounters by police officers with an
apparently structured, low-level UFO occurred in the early
morning of April 17, 1966. Officers of the Portage County, Ohio,
Sheriff's Department first saw the object rise up from near
ground level, bathing them in light, near Ravenna, Ohio, about
5:00 A.M.  Ordered by the sergeant to pursue the object, they
chased it for eighty-five miles across the border into
Pennsylvania, as it seemed to play a cat-and-mouse game with
them. Along the route, police officers from other jurisdictions
saw the object and joined in the chase.

Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur and Mounted Deputy Wilbur 'Barney� Neff
had left their scout car to investigate an apparently abandoned
automobile on Route 224. Spaur described the sighting in these
words:

"I always look behind me so no one can come up behind me.  And
when I looked in this wooded area behind us, I saw this thing.
At this time it was coming up... to about tree top level.  I'd
say about one hundred feet. it started moving toward us.... As it
came over the trees, I looked at Barney and he was still watching
the car... and he didn't say nothing and the thing kept getting
brighter and the area started to get light. ... I told him to
look over his shoulder, and he did.

"He just stood there with his mouth open for a minute, as bright
as it was, and he looked down. And started looking down and I
looked at my hands and my clothes weren't burning or anything,
when it stopped right over on top of us.  The only thing, the
only sound in the whole area was a hum... like a transformer
being loaded or an overloaded transformer when it changes....

"I was petrified, and, uh, so I moved my right foot, and
everything seemed to work all right.  And evidently he made the
same decision I did, to get something between me and it, or us
and it, or whatever you would say.  So we both went for the car,
we got in the car and we sat there...."

As they watched, the UFO moved toward the east, and then stopped
again. Spaur picked up the microphone and reported to the
dispatcher. At this time, the object was about 250 feet away,
brilliantly lighting up the area ("It was very bright; it'd make
your eyes water," Spaur said.)  Sergeant Schoenfelt, off duty at
the station, told them to follow it and keep it under observation
while they tried to get a photo unit to the scene.

Spear and Neff turned south on Route 183, then back east on Route
224, which placed the object to their right, and out the left
window.  �At this time,� said Spaur. "it came straight south,
just one motion, buddy, just a smooth glide... "and began moving
east with them pacing it, just to their right at an estimated
altitude of 300-500 feet, illuminating the ground beneath it.
Once more the UFO darted to the north, now left of the car, and
they sped up to over 100 mph to keep pace with it.

As the sky became brighter with predawn light, Spaur and Neff saw
the UFO in silhouette, with a vertical projection at its rear.
The object began to take on a metallic appearance as the chase
continued.  Spaur kept up a running conversation with other
police cars that were trying to catch up with them.  Once when
they made a wrong turn at an intersection, the object stopped,
then turned and came back to their position.

Police Officer Wayne Huston of East Palestine, Ohio, situated
near the Pennsylvania border, had been monitoring the radio
broadcasts and was parked at an intersection he knew the Portage
County officers would he passing soon.  Shortly afterward he saw
the UFO pass by with the sheriff's cruiser in hot pursuit.  He
swung out and joined the chase.  At Conway, Pennsylvania, Spaur
spotted another parked police car and stopped to enlist his aid,
since their Cruiser was almost out of gas. The Pennsylvania
officer called his dispatcher.

According to Spaur, as the four officers stood and watched the
UFO, which had stopped and was hovering, there was traffic on the
radio about jets being scrambled to chase the UFO, and ". . . we
could see these planes coming in....  When they started talking
about fighter planes, it was just as if that thing head every
word that was said; it went PSSSSSHHEW, straight up; and I mean
when it went up, friend, it didn't play no games; it went
straight up�  (Transcript of taped interview with Dale Spaur).

The Air Force "identified" the UFO as a satellite, seen part of
the time, and confused with the planet Venus.  Under pressure
from Ohio officials, Major Hector Quintanilla, chief of PROJECT
BLUE BOOK, had an acrimonious confrontation with witnesses and
refused to change the identification, although it was pointed out
to him that they had seen the UFO in addition to Venus and the
moon at the conclusion of the observation. Major Quintanilla also
denied that any jets had been scrambled.

William B. Weitzel conducted an exhaustive investigation on
behalf of the NATIONAL INVESTIGATIONS COMMITTEE ON AERIAL
PHENOMENA (NICAP), obtaining taped interviews, signed statements,
sketches, and all pertinent data which was assembled into a
massive report that was made available to congressional
investigators.  When the UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO UFO PROJECT was
initiated in 1966, a copy of Weitzel�s report was hand-delivered
to the director, Dr. Edward U. CONDON, for his consideration. The
CONDON REPORT, published two years later, does not mention the
case.

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                             Re: Charles Schmid?

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:35:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:23:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Charles Schmid?


>From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:50 EST
>To: pulsar@compuserve.com, updates@globalserve.net
<snip>

>BTW, as I'm sure you know, the description of the "members" as
>"I-beams" comes only from Dr. Marcel, and this not until sometime
>well after he was first interviewed by Moore/Friedman.  (This
>fact somehow always gets swept under the ufological rug in
>discussions of who saw what when.)  All other credible witnesses
>to the debris found on the Foster Ranch, including Dr. Marcel's
>father (Schmid, too?), describe the "members" as being of square
>or rectangular cross section, 3/8 of an inch or so, and
>balsa-like (or, flat out, balsa) to boot.


Are you suggesing that Marcel altered his testimony as a result
the interviews with Moore and Friedman?  Like perhaps Bill or
Stan "suggested" that perhaps it would be better to call the
"structural members" I-beams?



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                             Copyright resource

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:41:47 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:24:50 -0500
Subject: Copyright resource

There is an excellent internet resource for information on
Copyrights provided by the American Bar Association on the
internet at the following URL:

http://www.abanet.org/intelprop/comm106/106copy.html


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                             Re: Charles Schmid?

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:42:49 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:28:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Charles Schmid?


> From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:50 EST
> To: pulsar@compuserve.com, updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Charles Schmid?

> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
> >From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> JAMES -- Quoting from your recent post on UpDates:

> >Another witness to the debris, Charles Schmid, described "some
> >material that looked like wood" and which "had some writing that
> >looked like flowers on just one side". He added, "it had pink
> >petals, centred like a flower".

> Who's Schmid?  He's a new one on me.  What's your source on him?

> BTW, as I'm sure you know, the description of the "members" as "I
> beams" comes only from Dr. Marcel, and this not until sometime
> well after he was first interviewed by Moore/Friedman.  (This
> fact somehow always gets swept under the ufological rug in
> discussions of who saw what when.)  All other credible witnesses
> to the debris found on the Foster Ranch, including Dr. Marcel's
> father (Schmid, too?), describe the "members" as being of square
> or rectangular cross section, 3/8 of an inch or so, and
> balsa-like (or, flat out, balsa) to boot.

> -- Cheers, KARL


You're right, Karl, them hucksters in Roswell were so dumb in
blowing this all out of proportion.  Why, you would think that
when handed some light, rigid strange struts, they would have
been a little more creative in comparing it to something
familiar.  Really, couldn't one of them compare it to, say,
extruded anodized aluminum tent poles?  Or fiberglass plant
stakes?  Maybe at least one could have compared them to carbon
fiber composite fish poles.  Why didn't one of these yokels
compare these weird struts to aluminized polycarbonate?  Damn
fools, why you would think that Balsa Wood was the only commonly
known feather light construction material available at the time.
And we all know how deceptive Balsa Wood can be.  Its very hard
to bend it and break it.  The  military was always machining it
to a smooth finish and painting it with a hard metallic coating.
You can't mark it with your thumbnail or small tools.  After you
pound on it, it always regains its shape.  And it is so hard to
set it on fire.  And of course, you can't blame some hayseed for
being confused when the broken ends don't reveal any grain or
pores or rings.  If only they would have been smart enough to
really recognize balsa wood when they saw it, why we wouldn't
have to be bothered talking about this neoprene and Rawin target
retrieval.

Thanks for clearing this up for me, Karl...

Bye...  Ted..




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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Stuart & Toni Livesey <livesey@trump.net.au> [Stuart]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:29:36 +1100
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:52:45 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

G'day Mark and List,


>Actually, I have never really understood the idea that simply
>traveling in time causes a paradox. A real paradox would require
>a time traveler to do something that prevents them from traveling
>in time to perform that action. But we don't know how resilient
>the structure of events might be - most scientists seem to assume
>it has a positive feeback response to changes made by future
>entities traveling into the past, but I suspect that some events
>may have large effects and others may die out.

>Certainly there are things about UFOs which make the time- travel
>hypothesis appealing. Elusiveness, for instance, would seem to be
>a requirement for time travelers.

>However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several
>races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents
>point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species.
>That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the
>TTH.

I have been unable to catch up with my email until today so these
comments are probably a bit late but I think that they are well
worth making. Now I must confess that discussion of time
paradoxes goes well over my head so if I make a totally dumb
statement just smile and pat me on my head and I'll go back to
the sand pit but I don't think that we should dismiss the TTH
lightly.

In defence of that statement let me ask a general question of the
list. Do we have any indication of advancements in alien
technology over the years since they began appearing on this
planet?

What brings that to mind is the repetitive sightings of similar
craft over centuries. For example, cigar shaped craft have been
depicted in woodcuts from Germany crafted during the Dark
Age/Renaissance period and very similar craft are still appearing
today. Does that faintly support stagnant technology or time
travel? I don't know but it is worth pondering.

<snip>

>ETH - we know life exists in the universe, that intelligent life
>exists in the universe, and that it can travel in space: we are
>that life. We know that there is significant evidence that UFOs
>are physical and operate according to the laws of physics as we
>know them, despite their unusual appearance and extreme
>performance; in fact, UFOs appear to be machines, crewed by
>non-human beings. UFOs come from the sky and return to the sky in
>a significant proportion of cases. The obvious suggestion is that
>UFOs are from another world somewhere in space.

Mark, this may be an obvious suggestion but we should not allow
it to blind ourselves to other possibilities. Put yourself in the
shoes (or bare feet :> )of a villager in the wilds of the Amazon,
or New Guinea or somewhere similar that has only had minimal
contact with more advanced human cultures. Their contact may be
with people who fly in, spend a few days interacting with the
village and then fly out again, the visitors come from the sky,
possess incredible technology and return to the sky and in that
context how would the villagers view these outsiders? Now we know
where they come from but to the villagers it may well appear as
ET's do to us. In fact the analogy of the villagers is probably
quite applicable to us when our, despite what Corso claims, our
technology is so almost stone age in comparison to that of the
ET's.

Now don't get me wrong, I like to think that I'm not "off with
the fairies" when considering UFOs/Aliens but the more I look at
this phenomena the more I am beginning to feel that the things on
which we base our investigations of UFOs/Aliens is probably like
looking at the world through welders goggles. Our view is
hindered by our preconcieved ideas of what was, what is and what
should be.

Stuart









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               Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of

From: ParadigmRG <ParadigmRG@aol.com> [Stephen Bassett]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:53:54 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:56:20 -0500
Subject: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of

To all list members and beyond:

The national press release for the launching of the Frances Emma
Barwood campaign for Secretary of State of Arizona is reprinted
below.

Ms. Barwood is a conservative Republican, former Phoenix City
Councilwoman who is running on principal for state office.  She
is a courageous and forthright public servant with broad appeal.

She will be facing formidable opposition which will be heavily
financed.

We are going to reach out to the millions of concerned Americans
in cyberspace who believe that full disclosure of the government
posture relating to the 50-year history of sightings and other
anomalous phenomena is in the best interest of the public and our
constitutional system.

A temporary website has been published at:  www.anagramvideo.com

Soon there will be a permanent site at:
www.francesemmabarwood.com

While many may not agree with the full range of Ms. Barwood's
views, many will recognize the overarching and transcendent
implications of her willingness to take on the UFO enigma and
lack of proper government response as a viable candidate for high
office.

She needs your support.

Financial contributions may be sent to:

Barwood Election Committee
P. O. Box 86189
Phoenix, AZ 85080-6189

By Arizona State law, all contributions must be accompanied by:
1) name
2) address
3) occupation
4) employer

and may not exceed $760 per individual.

The success of Ms. Barwood's campaign could result in a sea change in American
politics in which dozens of other public servants shed their fear and step
forward to address this issue on behalf of their constituents.  History is
being made in 1998.  Please consider being a material part of these events.

Thank you,

Stephen Bassett
Paradigm Research Group
Co-campaign Manager
ParadigmRG@aol.com

Please feel free to forward and repost this request.
_________________________________________________________

                     ***   FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE  ***

January 1, 1998 -- Washington, DC -- Former Phoenix City Councilwoman Frances
Emma Barwood will hold a press conference from noon to 1 p.m. on January 13,
1998 at the Hyatt Regency Phoenix, 122 North 2nd Street, Phoenix, AZ.

At this time Ms. Barwood will formally announce her intentions to seek the
office of Secretary of State of Arizona.  Supporters from throughout Arizona
and the United States will be in attendance.

Ms. Barwood, who is well known for her stance on constitutional matters,
states' rights and open, truthful government, will elaborate on her intentions
to make a campaign issue of the substantive evidence for the possible
intelligent extraterrestrial presence within state and national airspace as
well as the failure of the federal government to respect public demands for a
proper response.  It is the first time a viable candidate for high office,
state or national, has formally raised this issue within a campaign.

Ms. Barwood's attention to the UFO issue and the government's posture began
with the extraordinary sightings of objects and lights above Phoenix in and
around March 13 of last year.  The failure of Arizona based federal military
facilities to adequately respond to citizen queries led her to raise the
matter in City Council session.  While the events of March 13 were already
receiving national attention, the mere action of calling for a proper
investigation resulted in a firestorm of personal attacks.   During this same
period a recall effort which had been pending moved to a vote.  This effort
failed when Ms. Barwood won the recall election by a margin of two to one.

During the intervening months Councilwoman Barwood took the time to speak with
researchers and witnesses and familiarize herself with the most recent
published works on the subject of unidentified sightings and other possible
extraterrestrial related phenomena.  It became clear to her that this is an
issue of state and national significance which cannot in good conscience be
ignored by a responsible candidate for high office.

At the January 13 press conference Ms. Barwood will also introduce co-managers
for her campaign: one who will focus on the relevant state issues, the other
who will assist her in bringing the UFO issue to the citizens of Arizona in a
professional, intelligent fashion.








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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:09:48 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:00:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:15:04 +0100
>From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


> Have at him folks  [ Terry Walker ] ..but be gentle.

> Don Ledger
> A Canadian navel gazer.

From Larry Hatch  [*U* UFO DATABASE]

Dear Don, Terry and all:

My *U* Database lists some 16,580 sightings
these days.

Of these, 111 were in Japan, and Japanese data
are hard to come by!

I only have 12 sightings in Taiwan for the same
reason, but one of these is a landing ..
In Chia-Li, Taiwaqn, on 13 June,1981 ..
a semi-transparent cone shaped object landed
for a while around 1700 hours, local time.

Gentle Wishes  - LH    < larryhat@jps.net >









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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #215

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:17:14 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:03:34 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #215

Apology to MW #215 (For January 17, 1998)

Oh, I know that I'm obnoxious <g>. Conscience usually is. I read
and see conclusions the elitist would dismiss. I'm not a bleeding
liberal but I'm inclusive as the devil and I know our game's
unfairly played -- it's canted, shaped, and beveled! I accept
that there are criminals. I accept they should be blamed for a
lack of real innocence that they've lied about and claimed. But,
that's a sword that cuts two ways, and just as well for both.
Who IS the real criminal, and then we see the joke!

The system goes beyond _just_ pale and trifles with the lives of
those that *inconvenience* men I've learned we should despise.
These men don't walk among us. They don't live like you and me.
They do not fly the same blue sky that's free for them, you see.
They tally up their ill got gain that's stolen from your
children; they're never late to obfuscate enigma that's been
building. Thirty Thousand starve a day to lube the lives of
these. They are the length and breadth and depth -- the very
quality, our disease. Point them out as you can find them,
they're the ones you should deplore, and risk the fate of one who
asked -- You guessed it! Johnny Ford <g>.

You want to hear some foolishness you're expected to believe? The
strangest thing that anyone could think of, or conceive! Bad
enough for _one man's_ madness (hot atomic toothpaste!?!) but
we're to eat that _three_ conspired; that's madness gone too far,
too great!

THREE men were that crazy? Three men saw that way? Three men left
their brains at home, then thought they'd get away? Nonsense is
my proffer!
Nonsense I decry! Three engaged this foolishness? Then pigs and
monkeys fly!

I've said it before and I'll say it yet again: the whole of this
mess -- incredulity distends! It _looks_ all put up -- elitist
skullduggery, the facts of this case are contrived, its check's
rubbery! It's a dog that won't hunt! It's a brick shy a load.
It�s a mire of "old boys" and political toads!
Who are these doctors who claimed him unfit? Where is their
consult, did they make it up quick? Let's ALL hear the TAPE of
their *STING* operation. Let's ALL hear John laugh at the show
they were taping!

John -- keep your head as you value your soul. You'll soon be
released from their cruel, unjust hole. You'll once again walk on
your canvass of streets (!), stitching tattered evidence into
cloth from their deceit? You'll campaign, the truest warrior, to
banish your night once again my good friend; it's your honor --
your right!

    Lehmberg@snowhill.com

I would prefer to believe that these machines of county
government always act in ethical, inclusive, and even handed ways
-- but too often they do not.
Many individuals have been ground up in the gears of these cruel
mechanizations  to fuel short term goals that readily detract
from the ethical behavior of all concerned.

But who does what to whom, first?

We've all heard the stories of cold fusion, zero point energy
capture -- even Newman engines. We hear rumors of miraculous
cures from endangered plants, or simple paints that stop _all_
electromagnetic radiation. These enigmas are never adequately
discredited, and reappear from time to time with tantalizing and
teasing regularity. All of these anomalies we hear about, but
never quite realize, share a characteristic, perhaps, that dooms
them. They all point back to an actualization of more individual
autonomy. Let me say that again; they all point back to an
actualization of more individual autonomy. That's the key point.

Individual autonomy is, and always has been, dangerous to the man
who must keep you on his meter to keep you in control. An
autonomous person is not a controlled person. You say it can't
happen in America? I don't think it likely it can happen
efficiently anywhere else. Washington, Hamilton, and Jefferson
et. al. wrote the rules like that from the very beginning. Take a
turn through Jefferson's Federalist Papers #10, if you don't
believe me. Find out the _real_ reasons for Shay's Rebellion.

"America has _always_ been about protecting the haves from the
have not's," says Dr. Michael Parenti of Harvard University.

John Ford would _have_ what he does not now _have_ -- freedom, a
government of fidelity, straight answers ("though heavens fall")
to the intriguing questions of our time, and the restoration of
his good and honorable name.
The 'man' will work hard to keep these things from him, _and_
us.

And any one of our number that points a finger at John Ford in
desultory, insulting, and titillating criticism points THREE
fingers back at themselves. John's politics, manner, priority, or
appearance are not the issue in this matter.  His circumstances
(he's cleaner than ANY of the Bushes, I'm betting), and extremely
_suspect_ incarceration, ARE.

RESTORE John Ford!

--
Explore the Alien View?

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/

"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake for trying to stitch cloth from deceit.










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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:34:18 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:05:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST

>AMERICA is messing up the rest of the world. Ever notice how
>these UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
>sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
>USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
>nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

<snip>

>(where the aliens never land and there are no UFO sightings,
>thank G-d!)

First of all, I am not American, I am Maltese and UFOs
have been reported over our "insignificant" 30 km x 15 km
island.  Second, you are totally wrong.

Attached below is a list of sightings reported over Japan,
Vietnam and Taiwan.  A simple search through Larry Hatch's
*U* Database returned these reports.  Each one comes with
further detail but I'm listing the basics here.

YEAR    Month   Contint Country Provinc Strange Credibl
989     8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       5
1015    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1180    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       5
1235    9       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       8
1271    9       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       5
1361    1       ASP     JPN     SEA     7       5
1458    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       5
1468    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1606    5       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1692    5       ASP     JPN     HNS     7       8
1749    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1803    2       ASP     JPN     HNS     8       5
1885    8       ASP     VTN     SAI     6       8
1909    6       ASP     VTN     NVT     7       6
1945    3       ASP     JPN     RYU     6       8
1945    5       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1945    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     A       F
1945    8       ASP     JPN     KYU     A       F
1945    8       ASP     JPN     IWJ     7       7
1947    7       ASP     JPN     KYU     7       6
1947    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1948    10      ASP     JPN     KYU     7       B
1949    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     7       6
1950    3       ASP     JPN     OKN     6       8
1951    2       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1951    10      ASP     JPN     OKN     6       8
1952    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1952    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1952    4       ASP     JPN     OKN     6       9
1952    4       ASP     JPN     KYU     6       6
1952    4       ASP     JPN     OKN     7       9
1952    5       ASP     VTN     SAI     7       B
1952    5       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1952    6       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       6
1952    6       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1952    7       ASP     JPN     OKN     5       B
1952    7       ASP     JPN     KYU     6       7
1952    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     9       8
1952    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1952    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     9       A
1952    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1952    9       ASP     VTN     SGN     6       A
1952    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     7       8
1952    12      ASP     JPN     KYU     7       9
1952    12      ASP     JPN     HKD     7       A
1953    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     7       7
1953    4       ASP     JPN     KYU     6       6
1953    6       ASP     JPN     OKN     5       A
1953    6       ASP     JPN     IWJ     5       8
1954    8       ASP     JPN     OKN     8       8
1954    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1955    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1955    2       ASP     JPN     OKN     6       8
1955    3       ASP     JPN     RYU     7       7
1956    1       ASP     JPN     KYU     5       7
1956    5       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1956    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1956    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     5       8
1956    12      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1956    12      ASP     JPN     KYU     7       8
1956    12      ASP     TWN     UNK     7       8
1957    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1957    6       ASP     JPN     KYU     6       8
1957    6       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       A
1957    6       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1957    7       ASP     JPN     SEA     8       9
1957    7       ASP     JPN     SEA     7       9
1957    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       A
1957    9       ASP     JPN     HKD     6       9
1957    9       ASP     JPN     OKN     7       8
1957    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     5       9
1957    12      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1958    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     8       A
1958    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       7
1958    2       ASP     JPN     HKD     7       7
1958    3       ASP     JPN     KNS     6       7
1958    7       ASP     JPN     HKD     6       8
1960    11      ASP     JPN     KYU     6       7
1961    6       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       9
1961    12      ASP     JPN     XXX     6       7
1962    12      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1963    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     B       8
1965    3       ASP     JPN     UNK     6       8
1965    3       ASP     JPN     HNS     7       A
1965    4       ASP     JPN     HNS     4       A
1966    3       ASP     VTN     SVT     7       6
1966    6       ASP     VTN     NHT     8       B
1967    2       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       7
1967    3       ASP     VTN     SGN     8       C
1967    3       ASP     VTN     DNG     6       6
1967    4       ASP     VTN     SAI     7       8
1967    6       ASP     VTN     DAN     7       9
1968    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       6
1968    6       ASP     VTN     DMZ     7       9
1968    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1968    9       ASP     VTN     QTR     6       A
1970    11      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       5
1971    10      ASP     JPN     HKD     4       9
1972    5       ASP     JPN     TKO     6       6
1972    9       ASP     JPN     OKN     6       A
1972    9       ASP     VTN     NVN     5       D
1973    7       ASP     JPN     HKD     9       6
1973    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     7       B
1973    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     7       9
1973    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       C
1973    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1974    3       ASP     TWN     UNK     8       8
1974    6       ASP     JPN     HKD     D       A
1974    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       8
1975    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       C
1975    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     5       A
1975    2       ASP     JPN     HNS     8       5
1975    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       9
1975    12      ASP     JPN     NGY     6       8
1976    5       ASP     JPN     KYU     7       6
1976    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       A
1976    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     6       B
1977    7       ASP     JPN     OKN     8       7
1978    2       ASP     TWN     ---     6       9
1978    8       ASP     JPN     HKD     9       9
1978    9       ASP     TWN     ---     6       9
1978    9       ASP     TWN     ---     6       6
1978    10      ASP     JPN     HNS     C       5
1979    8       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       7
1979    10      ASP     TWN     ---     6       8
1979    10      ASP     TWN     ---     7       8
1980    7       ASP     TWN     ---     6       9
1981    6       ASP     TWN     ---     5       B
1981    6       ASP     TWN     ---     7       7
1982    5       ASP     JPN     HKD     6       7
1982    7       ASP     TWN     ---     5       6
1989    7       ASP     JPN     HNS     4       6
1990    8       ASP     JPN     KYS     7       7
1992    1       ASP     JPN     HNS     6       A
1992    11      ASP     JPN     KYS     6       6
1993    8       ASP     TWN     TPE     6       B
1996    2       ASP     JPN     UNK     6       8

Regards,

JJ Mercieca
Malta UFO Research
http://www.mufor.org/








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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:17:34 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:07:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

> From: setag@cyberspace.org, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
> (StigAgermose)
> To: updates@globalserve.net, d005734c@dc.seflin.org
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:02:52 +0100
> Subject: Fwd: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

> Received via "alt.alien.visitors" December 16 at 20.56 local time
> (GMT> + 1 hour):


> *******

> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:41:11 -0600
> From: setag@cyberspace.org
> Subject: new eye witnesses phoenix sighting
> Message-ID: <884977743.744685569@dejanews.com>

<snip>

> What these witnesses describe is a triangle shaped object about
> 1000 feet in the air that was immense in size.  Many of the
> witnesses estimated the object to be over 20 blocks long!  Many
> got out of there cars to watch it fly by as it was moving very
> slowly at this point. Some even reported that the object was so
> low there headlights reflected off of it. It obviously was using
> some sort of anti-gravity propulsion.

Have you read about the secret military "flying wing" called the
"Blimp?"  Art Bell's first UFO sighting, that forever changed the
character of his show, answers to this description. He says the
craft was definitely "floating" through the air.

According to the Federation of American Scientists
(http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/blimp.htm):

********************

"A very intriguing aircraft was been reported in the late 1980s.
Some observers claim to have witnessed a vast black flying wing,
estimated at between 600 and 800 feet in width, passing silently
over city streets in California. The craft moved so slowly one
observer claimed that he could jog along with it. The aircraft
reportedly executed bizarre maneuvers in which it stopped,
rotated in place and hovered vertically, pointing its thin
trailing edge toward the ground.  This vehicle's unlikely
gyrations suggest that it is distinct from the other sightings,
and could be a lighter-than-air craft pushed by slow- turning
propellers."

**********************

Even if it's not lighter-than-air, it seems possible that a large
cross-section-to-mass ratio, ultra-light materials, and advanced
aerodynamic contours could enable a heavier-than-air craft to
float in the observed manner.  My point is that a craft behaving
this way would not necessarily need an antigravity device.

                             <snip>

> For those that are skeptics to the whole UFO thing, well
> you are the same type that told Columbus the world is flat. The
> universe is humungous.  There are billions of planets out there
> and you think earth is the only one that supports life?  WAKE UP!

There may be religious fundamentalists who believe earth is the
only planet supporting life, but the mainstream skeptical
position actually holds that the universe is probably teeming
with life.  According to this position, astronomical distances,
the speed-of-light limitation, and the lack of irrefutable
evidence indicate that it is unlikely we are being visited.
Since this position can be cogently attacked, there is no need to
set up a straw man.

Kind regards,

Keith








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                Re: Chat with UFO video analyst Jim Dilettoso

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:40:09 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:34:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Chat with UFO video analyst Jim Dilettoso

Join Jim Dilettoso Tuesday, January 20th 6pm, PT for a detailed
look at how UFO Videos and photographs are analyzed in order to
verify or disprove their veracity.

From the Mexico City video from this past summer to the newest
events - repeated lights seen once again in the Arizona skies the
week of January 11, 1998, hear some of the techniques used to
examine current visual evidence. This chat is available at
http://forums.msn.com/ufo

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.

Starting January 15th, you can hear Dilettoso discuss his
analysis via Netshow at the UFO Forum website.









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                      Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:18:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:45:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia

>From: "Philippe Piet van Putten" <abp1@uol.com.br>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Dr. John Mack - Encyclopedia
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:42:48 -0200

>Dear Bob,

>Of course it would be better to contact John directly and obtain
>the data from him. I've tried to do so ! If I had succeeded I
>wouldn't look after the assistance from our colleagues and
>friends. If I am doing so, its because I couldn't locate Dr.
>Mack.

>Philippe
>abp1@uol.com.br
>http://www.pufori.org/


Both Mike Hesemann and Philip Mantle know John Mack.  I met him
through them.  I'm sure they have contact information on him.

Bob









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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:22:06 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:46:35 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:53:44 +0000
>From: neil morris <neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>MMmmm? I thought the main contention of the AA Film was the fact
>that it WASN'T related to the "Classic" Roswell case and
>alledgedly happened 1 month earlier and 125 miles away near
>Soccoro.?

>If any case out there can be tied in with it, (and has been, if
>witness statements can be believed) it should be the Barney
>Barnett story.

>Best Regards All
>Neil.

>Neil Morris.
>Atomic and Molecular Physics Group.
>Dept of Physics and Astronomy.
>University of Manchester.
>UK.
>Neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk


Neil,

The only connection is that the cameraman supposedly says that
this is the Roswell event.  I was told that he says he was at
Roswell a month later when "some rancher" found some stuff that
had been missed earlier and "all hell broke loose".

Bob









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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:27:33 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:53:47 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>You recall the fairy photograph hoax that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>fell for in the early part of this century.  It wasn't until one
>or both of the sisters were at the end of their life that they
>'fessed up to the hoax and how they used cutouts of the fairys etc
>etc.

>Likewise I suspect that if somebody manufactured this film, we
>won't find out about it until 20-50 years from now when the
>person fesses up to it.

The obvious differences invalidate this comparison.  The fairy
photos were still photographs done by two sisters. The AA film is
full motion and involves at least five people, probably more.
For every person who is added to the hoax, the probablity that
someone will spill the beans increses exponentially.

Bob









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                     UFO*BC Report - UFO Crash In Chile?

From: boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:41:38 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:53:57 -0500
Subject: UFO*BC Report - UFO Crash In Chile?

List,

UFO*BC received a letter from a friend who previously lived in
the Vancouver area  now living in Chile.The following article is
from the latest issue of UFO*BC Quarterly and we post it here for
you to read and welcome your feedback.Check out our site for the
latest activity in British Columbia at http://www.ufobc.org


                 A Chilean Andes "Fender Bender"
                  by Graham Conway, 3-Jan-98

In 1995, a Chilean mining prospector of Japanese descent was in
the mountains when a large shiny UFO appeared above. It was about
30 metres in diameter. The craft hovered and then moved closer to
the mountain. This maneuver caused the vehicle to graze the
hillside, creating a flare in the soil. Barely negotiating the
hillside it ascended before disappearing from view. The witness,
J.T., went to the impact site and was able to recover four chunks
of an unknown material weighing about 3 kgs.

We have been informed that this account did not appear in the
local or national press. A variety of organizations displayed a
keen interest in the recovered metal, namely NASA, U.S, Air
Force, Chilean Air Force, plus various scientists and
investigators. Pieces were sent to Japan for analysis. Our
Chilean informant stated his own opinion, as follows:

The objects are extraordinary in shape and in looks; with all my
experience in mining and metallurgy, (I am a graduated mining
technician of a Chilean University), I have never seen any metal
that is or behaves like that in the laboratory or at eyesight.

First, according to the Japanese that studied the metal, it is
composed of 12 (first analysis) and 22 (second analysis)
elements, bonded and molten into one homogeneous mass, that
breaks in unusual fracturing, much like an irregularly shaped -
river polished rock type of thing - metal. I hope you get the
drift. The metal actually looks like Platinum or Silver; it has
Nickel, Aluminum, Zinc, and other gray metals, however it was
deemed to be + - 68% Copper; the unusual thing is that:

a) Does not conduct electricity at all; a wired rod applied to
its surface, only creates a field of sparks that dissipates
outward and rebounds; thus, if you place your hand in the
opposite end, electricity does not touch you(!) and is
Silver like in colour, no copper red!

b) It can not be detected or identified by radar!

c) It is not radioactive or responsive to a metal detector?

d) some faces are so well polished that it looks like steel, and
   it does not have sharp edges at all, even when fractured.

e) Pieces do not fit with each other, what makes me assume that
   there may be others to be retrieved; we will make a new
   exploration expedition to the site this spring.  One of them
   is exquisite in shape and thin.

f) It does not melt over 1500 degrees Celsius/over 1 hr. exposure.

g) Did not react to Nitric acid from 5% to concentrate exposure,
   Sulphuric acid 5% to concentrate, Picric acid 5% to concentrate,
   all the possible combinations amongst the three acids above over
   30 minutes exposure.

Conclusion : Unknown material not harmed by acids(!) under
microscopic observation from 100 to 1000 magnifying tests.

It would seem that the witness to this described event was also
abducted some time later. But not before the UFO had visited and
hovered over his home many times. As a result of his interaction
with these visitors and his ensuing experiences, he has written a
short booklet. It comes as no great surprise to learn he has been
assigned a mission to inform our planet's inhabitants to respect
each other, love and live in harmony with our neighbours.

I hope I don't sound too cynical when I point out that this is
not a new message, by any means. Therefore I must conclude that
the senders are more than a tad fed up with our very evident lack
of attention and demonstrated response. Anyway, "if you don't
succeed at first", etc.....

Mr. J.T. however seems to have gotten lucky in a direction seldom
accorded to other lucky(?) abductees. Not only was he taken on a
Cook's tour of the visitor's planet but he awoke with two soil
samples and two metallic looking pebbles. on which our informant
comments as follows:

I checked the soil and the pebbles with my Geologist lens and
this is my assessment :

a) fertile like soil:  Apparent composition is extremely fertile,
   some traces of turquoise (copper) is observed, dark like top
   soil, granular as earth, very interesting.  Opinion : very
   fertile soil.

b) Sand like soil: Apparent composition is a very un-earth like
   sand, composed of yellow crystals like zircon or rutile
   (titanium) 15%, flakelike chalcites much like silica over 30%,
   Copper like turquoise 15% and other rare earths.

Opinion: very strange mixture, hard to duplicate (all vials
contain no more than 10 grams.)

c) metallic like piece fingernail size: Apparent composition:
   Native Copper; looks like a fibrous asbestos???

Opinion: impossible to classify according to earth like matter.

d) metallic like pebble: one side is metallic like with
   iridescence like molten metal with outer rim golden and
   purple tinted center, thin as an orange skin, the other side
   looks corrugated and porous.

Opinion: hard to reproduce under normal circumstances, first of
its kind ever observed by me; looks metallic on one side and
non-metallic on the other side.

e) Green liquid (like mint liquor) with sediments inside (20/30
milliliter), viscosity like petroleum leaves the glass of the
vile with a tint like odin, the sediments are white. Apparently
serves as catalyst to detect the metal composition?

Opinion: hard to imagine and impossible to give an educated
guess.  Out of my league!!!!

Our Chilean informant also goes on to describe the circumstances
experienced by another mining prospector who was returning from
the Andes with his three children asleep in his vehicle. It seems
that Mr. A.G.D. was intercepted by a UFO and its occupants. He
described how the E.T.s roamed around his truck with "laser type
guns". They fired at rocks, resulting in them achieving a
transparent look. The visitors seemed to jump, walk or float
rapidly. His engine died and he tried to move down hill with the
aid of gravity. Looking in his rear view mirror he became the
unfortunate recipient of a "laser' blast. This resulted in him
becoming blind for almost six months. Mr. D. was only able to
negotiate his way down the mountain by touching the edge of the
hill with his truck wheels.

The forgoing account is only a synopsis of the principal events
reported from a region where UFO stories are a regular
occurrence, seen and described by a wide variety of reliable
residents. We have taken steps to obtain additional information
regarding this landmark case. Should we be fortunate to receive
further confirmatory evidence, we look forward to publishing it
in the not too distant future.

In conclusion, our sincere thanks go out to Jorge R. Lopehendia,
of Santiago, Chile, for providing this story and permission to
relate it to our readers.










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                           Re: Copyright resource

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:43:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:27:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Copyright resource


>From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:41:47 -0500
>To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Copyright resource

>There is an excellent internet resource for information on
>Copyrights provided by the American Bar Association on the
>internet at the following URL:

>http://www.abanet.org/intelprop/comm106/106copy.html


>Gary Alevy

Of course, the legal interpretation of the laws on the books
(which tend to be extremely conservative) may not directly relate
to how they are enforced.   People exceed the legal speed limit
on our highways, and enforcement is often spotty.  The same tends
to hold true for copyrighted materials on the Internet.  To a
great extent, I would suspect that it depends on whether the
material is being used for profit, and/or whether the profits of
the actual owner of the intellectual property are impacted by the
"theft".

I tend to err on the conservative side, and will point to URLs
where material can be found, rather than cut and paste it into a
posting. However, I've noted that often the moderator of the
lists will actually place the text in my posting.  This is
helpful for those who don't have Web Browser access, who are
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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:59:21 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:30:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

Hello the list, and to Joseph...


>From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com> [Joseph Trainor]
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:46:14 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

>Yesterday I conducted an email interview with a Swiss citizen who
>saw a UFO over Kimsar, a town in the Rajasthan desert about 450
>miles southwest of New Delhi in India.

>The sighting took place on December 24, 1997, at 11 p.m. New
>Delhi time.  Eyewitnesses included two Swiss adults, four Swiss
>children, and 12 residents of Kimsar, both Hindu and Muslim.  Not
>an American in the bunch.

>So tell us again, Terry, how UFOs are never seen in India...

>Joseph Trainor
>Editor
>UFO ROUNDUP


Sounds great, Joseph. When are you going to tell us about
it?

Regards,

Jack






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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Dave Everett <deverett@idx.com.au>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:53:55 +1100
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:49:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

>I tend to view time as like a tree with many branches.  Our
>actions at any point determine which branch we travel down.  Time
>travellers would merely create more branches if they changed
>things.

I have a great deal of trouble with this notion. Each branching
would require the replication of every scrap of matter and energy
in the Universe.

As much as I would want to timetravel, I can't help but feel that
Past and Future are simply mental constructs.

Dave Everett.









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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:24:13 -1000
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:10:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:29:36 +1100
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Stuart & Toni Livesey <livesey@trump.net.au> [Stuart]
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
> >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

<snip>

> >However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several
> >races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents
> >point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species.
> >That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the
> >TTH.

> I have been unable to catch up with my email until today so these
> comments are probably a bit late but I think that they are well
> worth making. Now I must confess that discussion of time
> paradoxes goes well over my head so if I make a totally dumb
> statement just smile and pat me on my head and I'll go back to
> the sand pit but I don't think that we should dismiss the TTH
> lightly.

> In defence of that statement let me ask a general question of the
> list. Do we have any indication of advancements in alien
> technology over the years since they began appearing on this
> planet?

> What brings that to mind is the repetitive sightings of similar
> craft over centuries. For example, cigar shaped craft have been
> depicted in woodcuts from Germany crafted during the Dark
> Age/Renaissance period and very similar craft are still appearing
> today. Does that faintly support stagnant technology or time
> travel? I don't know but it is worth pondering.

G'day Stuart...

I take your point of course, but it could go either way.  Trees
and sharks are examples of things that have stayed essentially
the same for millions of years because they have attained the
optimum shape for doing what they do.  And, like nature, we can
only improve things until we cannot make them any better. The
wheel has stayed round because that is the most effecient shape
for it.  It doesn't mean that the technology of the wheel is
stagnating.  Spacecraft probably have a most effecient shape as
well, based on their function, their method and materials of
construction, and propulsion.  It might change and it might not.
It doesn't necessarily support the TTH either, unless you are
suggesting that only one group of time travelers exist, or that
THEIR technology is stagnant....

Aloha
Tom Burnett










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                              Mind Scan Paradox

From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:42:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:35:04 -0500
Subject: Mind Scan Paradox

<========== T.R.I. Website Changes and System Upgrade ==========>

The Respond.txt document dealing with resistance to alien
abduction has been greatly expanded and seriously written by John
Archer, D.Ph. (Doctor of Phenomenology), and it has been
incorporated into the website I maintain for the Trionic Research
Institute: The URL is
http://www.trionica.com/response.htm

Respond.txt is still available in a plain vanilla form from ASP-L
by sending the command 'Get-Respond.txt' (without quotes but with
the file extension) in the Subject: field of a msg to the list
address: nightflyer@mindspring.com

However, as soon as technical difficulties can be resolved, it
will incorporated into the ASP FAQ and placed into T.R.I.'s
autoresponder, info@trionica.com. It will then be available at
any time not just when I'm on-line.


<====Reshma Kamal Defeats Aliens by Spiritual Technique=======>

One new section of "Respond" is titled: "Reshma Kamal Defeats
Alien Mindscan with Arabic Religious Phrase while Moving her Eyes
Rapidly".

Archer writes:

In his new book, The Threat, Dr. David M. Jacobs presents his
case for the view that abductees are involuntary participants in
a 'Breeding Program' conducted by aliens. Naturally, the aliens
need to control the involuntary human participants in this
program.

Without the ability to manipulate the human brain, the aliens
would be unable to control the abductees physically or mentally
and the Breeding Program would not be feasible in its present
form.

Dr. Jacobs postulates that the dreaded 'Mindscan' procedure, a
feature of many abductee reports, allows the aliens to control
the humans by 'somehow' giving the aliens access to the
abductee's optic nerve and those sections of the brain to which
it is linked. By exercising this control over the abductee's
brain, the aliens acquire the power to make the abductees see,
hear or feel whatever illusions the aliens present to them.

Notice the paradox? If Dr Jacobs postulates that aliens use this
power of illusion to delude abductees selected to participate in
the alleged breeding program then nothing in abductee reports may
be relied on.
But Dr Jacobs relies exclusively on Abductee reports to support
his thesis that aliens are conducting a breeding program with
abductees who need to be controlled by this power of illusion.

Anyway, Dr Jacobs reports one case where the nefarious plans of
these high tech mental giants were defeated by means that may be
of interest to others.

But another abductee successfully resisted mental engagement.
During a recent abduction, Reshama Kamal found that she had more
muscle control than usual and she used it to prevent a neural
connection. She shifted her eyes back and forth rapidly while
reciting an Arabic religious phrase. The first alien tried to
lock into her eyes but could not. He diverted her attention by
causing a pain in her head, and he threatened not to take her
home, but she refused to give in. Another alien took over and
increased the threats. Still she refused to stop, although she
was getting dizzy moving her eyes back and forth. A third alien
tried, and then a fourth. They could not stop her from shifting
her eyes. Eventually they gave up and said that they would
continue the procedure at the next abduction.

[Jacobs, David M. (1998). "The Threat --- The Secret Agenda: What
the Aliens Really Want ... And How They Plan to Get It". New
York: Simon & Schuster. p. 87]

<snip>

If my theory is correct that Alien Abduction Experiences, AAEs,
occur when the brain is in its REM-sleep state and the body is in
the corresponding state of REM-state paralysis, but the
consciousness is nevertheless aware, then there is no mystery as
to why Ms Kamal was able to move her eyes. The eyes are not
subject to the paralyzing signal! She might have become conscious
of their movements and that may have assisted her, but it would
seem that the effectiveness of her resistance came mainly from
her recitation of the Arabic religious phrase.


<=============My Experiences with Frozen Eyelids============>

Has anyone noticed the movements of their eyes during an episode
of ASP?

Dr. Jacobs does not indicate whether Ms Kamal had her eyes open
or closed while moving them about as she recited the phrase
(which was not published either)

While some ASP experiencers report being able to open their eyes
and see their surrounding --- which may be accurate or slightly
altered --- I have never been able to do this. I 'come to' in a
state of total blackness *already* struggling to open my eyes.

Somehow, it seems significant to me that the struggle preceeds
the awareness.

Anyway, when I am relaxed I might look within and 'up' and see a
distant light. I'm a little hazy on what follows but it seems
that in attending to the light I cease to attend to the feelings
of bodily immobility and I end up in a non-lucid dream that is
not remarkable except for having followed an episode of frozen
eyelids.

In other cases, I imagine myself running in the blackness. I
'receive' and feel the feelings of running, but my body does not
move. Sometimes (not often) consciousness or awareness suddenly
becomes situated in the 'running me' rather than in the 'frozen
eyelid me' and I proceed to enter a dream scene knowing it is a
dream.

Comments?

Joe Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
Moderator, ASP-L


<=========What is ASP-L All About?===========>

Have you ever found yourself lying fully conscious or in a
dreamlike state, unable to move or cry out, while perhaps
experiencing auditory or visual phenomena? If so, you have
experienced Awareness during Sleep Paralysis [ASP].

ASP-L is a mailing list for the discussion of Awareness during
Sleep Paralysis [ASP] and experiences with which it has been
associated: Lucid Dreaming, Out-of-Body Experiencing, Alien
Abductions, Old Hag Attacks and Supernatural assaults such as the
Incubus/Succubus assault.

ASP experiencers feel intense fear and may even believe that they
are dying. Experiencers often sense the presence of an unseen,
malevolent being. An episode of ASP can occur while the body
sleeps in any position, but it is much more likely while sleeping
on one's back. Often experiencers feel the pressure of a crushing
weight on their chest as if being pushed downward into the bed. A
few sense a what seems to be a phantom being sitting on their
chest. They may be unable to feel the breathing process continue,
but those who see their chest can see it continue to inhale and
exhale --- they just don't feel it as the body has gone to sleep
and the awareness has lost contact with sensory input from the
body.

The name of the list reflects the fact that everyone experiences
sleep paralysis every time they cycle into REM sleep, about every
90 minutes of every night. What's remarkable in some cases is
that the consciousness retains a degree of Awareness while the
body descends into the paralysis of the REM state.

You may subscribe to ASP-L to discuss: how to resist Alien
Abduction or other psychic assaults, how to turn the unpleasant
experience of ASP into the pleasant experience of a lucid dream
or Out-of-Body Experience or other issues related to Awareness
during Sleep Paralysis.

To subscribe to ASP-L send an email msg with the word 'Subscribe'
(without quotes) in the Subject: field to the list address:
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                         Re: BWW Media Alert 980117

From: BufoCalvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:41:31 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:45:49 -0500
Subject: Re: BWW Media Alert 980117

Bufo Calvin
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edition of Bufo's WEIRD WORLD provided that attribution is made
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strangers before you e-mail them something.  If you forward this, please make
sure it is clear that you are forwarding it).
January 17, 1998

Just a quicky...I'm very busy preparing to teach Visual Basic for Excel
(Microsoft class 560).  Five day class and a toughie.  Try to do more later.
Wanted to get out that THE LEARNING CHANNEL is doing a UFO theme this week
(and continued into next weekend)

ON-LINE
Omni Magazine's HIGH STRANGENESS chat on Tuesday at 7:00 PM Pacific is with
Bob Pratt, author of (
<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1881852148/bufosweirdworldA/">
UFO Danger Zone: Terror & Death in Brazil</A> ).  URL is (
<A HREF="http://www.omnimag.com/talk/">OMNI Prime Time</A> )

Television

THE LEARNING CHANNEL
Sunday, January 18, 6:00 PM (repeated at 9:00 PM), ROSWELL.  7:00 PM (repeated
10:00 PM, WE ARE NOT ALONE (episode...SKYWATCHERS, re UFOs).
Tuesday, January 20, 6:00 PM (repeated at 9:00 PM), ALIEN SECRETS: AREA 51
Wednesday, January 21, 6:00 PM (repeated at 9:00 PM), UFOS AND ALIEN
ENCOUNTERS.  7:00 PM (repeated at 10:00 PM), UFOS: ABOVE AND BEYOND (hosted by
Jimmy Doohan)
Thursday, January 22, 6:00 PM (repeated at 9:00 PM), UFO
Friday, January 23, 10:00 PM, UFOS: DOWN TO EARTH (episode...GREAT BALLS OF
LIGHT)
NOTE: Also doing UFO stuff next Saturday and Sunday.

UPN
Tuesday, at 8:00 PM (or 9:00 PM on some stations): ALIEN ABDUCTION: INCIDENT
IN LAKE COUNTY.  Includes video having to do with abduction experiences.  Not
the first time video of aliens has been claimed, but there is some buzz on
this one.

SYNDICATED TELEVISION
REAL TV, MONDAY, includes UFOs


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I'm very excited about this!  Some of you know, I ran a bookstore for years, and
 it has always been a love of mine.  I get asked often to recommend
books(I do write reviews for several publications) on these topics, and now I
can do it and actually give you a source for them at the same time!  This is
being done in association with Amazon.com, which has an outstanding
reputation for the five "S"s of internet shopping: selection, searchability,
service, savings, and security.  If there is any specific book you want (or
topic in which you are interested), let me know and I will do the research
and e-mail you a link you can use to check it out more (and order it if you
want).  I will be linking to books within the Media Alert, to make it more
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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: chabry@simcoe.igs.net
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:54:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:32:24 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:50:45 -0800

>> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 7:05 PM

>> From: chabry@simcoe.igs.net [Charles Bryant]
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:39:08 -0500
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >>From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>> >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>> >>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:39:46 -0500

><snipped>

>> Does anyone really believe, given the extremely tight security
>> surrounding the events of 1947, that the "cameraman" who shot
>> this footage would have been allowed to take the stuff home with
>> him?  We are told that every last tiny scrap of material was
>> combed (vacuumed?) from the crash site; and witnesses threatened
>> with their lives for any disclosure about this crash that never
>> took place. So how did this astounding 'evidence' get liberated?

>Although I believe the film is fraudulent, I must respectfully
>disagree with this argument, Charles.  How does someone wander
>into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom?  How does a private pilot blunder
>through the Soviet air defenses and land in Moscow?  This
>fallacy, the assumption of bureaucratic competence, probably
>props up more conspiracy theories than all the others put
>together.  The idea that they would nail everything down tight
>and then let some flunky stroll home with the film strikes me as
>exactly the way things happen in real life.

>Kind regards,

>Keith

Hello Keith and Bob:

Thank you both for your input.  And Keith, I believe a new
oxymoron has been coined:

                "bureaucratic competence"

Cheers,

Charles Bryant
chabry@simcoe.igs.net


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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:16:09 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:42:03 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'

Regarding...

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:53:44 +0000
>From: neil morris <neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign]

Neil wrote:

>MMmmm? I thought the main contention of the AA Film was the fact that
>it WASN'T related to the "Classic" Roswell case and alledgedly
>happened 1 month earlier and 125 miles away near Soccoro.?


Neil,

The video and story package was always supposed to relate to the
Roswell case.

As Ray Santilli confirmed in his original statement, published on
the "Roswell Centre" web site:

"The cameraman asked if I would be interested in publishing
outright very valuable footage taken during his time in the
forces. He explained that the footage in question came from the
Roswell crash that it included debris and recovery footage and of
most importance autopsy footage".


The following extract from "The Manikin Who Fell to Earth"
article may help explain this further:

* The Roswell Perspective *

It isn't necessarily the case that the original intention was a
hoax based on the Roswell story, the bow-legged, muscular,
six-fingered, pot-bellied creature bearing no resemblance to
perceptions of the bodies some spoke of seeing at Roswell.

Additional to the "alien autopsy" film, Santilli has released
some "debris" footage, which shows six fingered "control panels"
and "I-beams" with "hieroglyphics". This footage is the only
tie-in with the Roswell incident, the I-beams with hieroglyphics
being a unique and distinctive feature reported from the wreckage
recovered from the Foster ranch in July 1947.

The "Roswell debris" footage could have been a subsequent
addition to increase the market value of what was simply
envisaged as an "alien autopsy", however, if it was never
intended to relate to Roswell, that doesn't explain the use of
contemporary 1947 props.


One of Ray Santilli's earliest explanations of the film's claimed
origins was in an article for the French magazine Phenomena. On 8
April, 1995, Santilli told the magazine:

"Our cameraman states that the event in Roswell occurred about
one month before it was announced in the press. What happened was
that the vehicle did crash and they were sent there to film and
to clear up the area. The whole area was totally cleaned up. And
then, purely by accident, a small piece of debris was found in an
area that had been cleaned up and when that was found, the
military had to go back in to the area again. That was a couple
of weeks after the main event happened".

Where the "cameraman's story" differs, is in the claim that the
autopsies took place at Fort Worth, Dallas between the 1st and
3rd of July 1947 and before the dates given in various accounts
of bodies having being seen.


Central to the belief that autopsies on small, four fingered
creatures had been carried out at the Roswell base was the
testimony of Glenn Dennis, the local mortician. Dennis revealed
that an Army Nurse at the base had confided how she had been
asked to participate in the autopsies of the severely damaged
bodies. Shortly thereafter, she was transferred to England and he
was later informed that the Army Nurse, a "close friend", had
been killed in an air crash.

Dennis had always seemed the most reliable and conservative of
witnesses, but recently Kevin Randle, one of the foremost
researchers of the Roswell case, acknowledged, "We have been
unable to confirm a nurse with the name Glenn Dennis gave her.
More importantly, he has not said he didn't give any of us the
right name for her because of the promise he made her. Sorry, I
just don't buy that. The Glenn Dennis story is slowly, perhaps
rapidly, falling apart".


If the claims of small, four fingered creatures are now in some
doubt, perhaps Ray Santilli's timeline and film evidence are not
so inadmissible after all.

As a hoax, the effrontery of the hoaxers in rewriting the script
seems to have been justified, almost perceptive of them.
[End]


The full article, which contains a considerable amount of factual
background, remains on my web site at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pulsar/autopsy.htm


The claim that some further debris was found 'a couple of weeks'
after the incident, seems to be a reference to Brazel's Foster
ranch material and its suggested relationship to the story.

It's a plausible scenario to some extent, not dissimilar to other
claims and theories about a damaged craft and bodies being found
elsewhere. The 'second crash site' was primarily a necessity to
account for the bodies reported by Glenn Dennis, before his
testimony, an absolute foundation to the ET argument, was
discredited.


>If any case out there can be tied in with it, (and has been, if
>witness statements can be believed) it should be the Barney
Barnett
>story.

Barnett's has always been an intriguing story. Alas, it's
second-hand and there's no corroboration whatsoever.

His reported account of finding dead bodies, 'all males', with
small, 'oddly spaced' eyes, doesn't equate with the video footage
or the story which came via Ray Santilli - i.e., the still alive,
screaming creatures roasting in the intense heat, etc.

You mention witness statements which do indicate a connection
with Barnett's story. Which statements are these, Neil?


James.
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              Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:38:12 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:50:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries


>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:34:18 +0100>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries

>From: "Terry Walker" <apt_6f@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Effects of UFO "sightings" on Asian countries
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 02:19:19 PST

>>AMERICA is messing up the rest of the world. Ever notice how
>>these UFOs never land in poor rural Vietnam or even in modern
>>sleek Japan? No, they always pick No. 1 Country in the World the
>>USA (okay, sometimes the UK or France, other snotty uppity
>>>>nations that think they are Number 1 too)?

<snip>

>(where the aliens never land and there are no UFO sightings,
>.>thank G-d!)

>First of all, I am not American, I am Maltese and UFOs
>have been reported over our "insignificant" 30 km x 15 km
>island.  Second, you are totally wrong.

>Attached below is a list of sightings reported over Japan,
>Vietnam and Taiwan.  A simple search through Larry Hatch's
>*U* Database returned these reports.  Each one comes with
f>urther detail but I'm listing the basics here.
><

WAY TO GO JJ!!!   And yes, Larry Hatch's data base is "the
best"!!!










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               Re: Nazi Saucers Described In Atom Bomb Classic

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:15:06 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:57:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Nazi Saucers Described In Atom Bomb Classic

On November 26 1997 UFO Updates posted my item 'Nazi Saucers
Described In Atom Bomb Classic'. At that time I wasn't able to
quote the relevant footnote from Robert Jungk's "Brighter than a
Thousand Suns, a Personal History of the Atomic Scientists"
(Swiss edition 1956, English translation 1958), but now I would
like to supply this want, as I have just received a copy of the
book.

First I would like to quote the November item in its entirety,
though.
URL:

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/nov/m26-012.shtml

*******


Found in the news section of the Sci-Fi Channel's "Sightings"
page.
URL:

http://www.scifi.com/sightings/web082197/news.html




NAZI SAUCER!


Milton Keynes, England, it's not the kind of place where we
expect to get new information on real life flying saucers. But
after our recent report on a saucer-shaped aircraft in Canada,
top secret American saucer projects and Germany's development of
craft like this during World War II, a SIGHTINGS Researcher
received A letter from viewer D. Robin Stowell.

A typesetter by trade, Stowell alerted us to the book, 'Brighter
Than A Thousand Suns'. An authoritative history of the race to
build the first Atomic Bomb. Stowell typeset the original
manuscript nearly forty years ago. And never forgot this brief
reference to a Nazi Saucer that could out-maneuver any allied
aircraft.

Four decades after publication, Stowell found a copy of the out
of print reference book and confirmed what he had long
remembered. The footnote describes German Saucers that were forty
five yards across, capable of reaching speeds over Mach One and
climbing to an elevation of nearly eight miles. Some experts
believe that these Nazi Saucers could have been responsible for
the legendary Foo Fighter sightings over Europe late in World War
II. But if they were, it still does not explain Foo Fighters
spotted over the Pacific during the same period.

*******

Jungk's book is now a classic. Bertrand Russell had this to say
about it: "One of the most interesting books I have ever read. It
is more exciting than any novel."

Robert Jungk was born in Berlin of Austrian-Jewish parents in
1913 and was nineteen when Hitler came to power. He has been an
American citizen since 1950. His articles and books have been
published in more than a dozen countries.

Here's a piece of the text and the accompanying footnotes from
the book (Harcourt Brace & Company paperback edition, which is
still available by the way, p. 87f):

"The indifference of Hitler and those about him to research in
natural science amounted to positive hostiliy.* It had at a very
early period cost Hitler the good will of the physicists. Only a
handful of them, out of ambition or because they had failed to
make their mark prior to the advent of the Third Reich, offered
Hitler their full co-operation.**

*The only exception to the lack of interest shown by authority
was constituted by the Air Ministry. The Air Force research
workers were in a peculiar position. They produced interesting
new types of aircraft such as the Delta (triangular) and "flying
discs." The first of these "flying saucers," as they were later
called - circular in shape, with a diameter of some 45 yards -
were built by the specialists Schriever, Habermohl and Miethe.
They were first airborne on February 14, 1945, over Prague and
reached in three minutes a height of nearly eight miles. They had
a flying speed of 1250 m.p.h. which was doubled in subsequent
tests. It is believed that after the war Habermohl fell into the
hands of the Russians. Miethe developed at a later date similar
"flying saucers" at A. V. Roe and Company for the United States.

**These were mainly engineers. Those engaged on theoretical
research only co-operated in exceptional cases. It is true that
the Allied Nations' technicians, after the occupation of Germany,
found thousands of new military inventions there. But these
always concerned the practical application and technical
improvement of scientific principles already well known."









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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:18:25 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:07:51 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >  Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
> >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> >  Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
> >  has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
> >  or the other.

> >  Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
> >  accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
> >  the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
> >  (there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
> >  Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
> >  would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
> >  just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
> >  you ?

> >  Philip.

>   Phillip,

>   General thoughts about the film.

> If the film was done by FX professionals, or anybody with a
> background, we won't see anything in the film to suggest that it
> is phony unless of course somebody comes forward.  Meaning that
> research was done so that everything  appeared to be "in
> period."

> You recall the fairy photograph hoax that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
> fell for in the early part of this century.  It wasn't until one
> or both of the sisters were at the end of their life that they
> 'fessed up to the hoax and how they used cutouts of the fairys etc
> etc.

> Likewise I suspect that if somebody manufactured this film, we
> won't find out about it until 20-50 years from now when the
> person fesses up to it.

> I have seen some of the TV footage from the FX experts who say
> its real and phony, and in one case as I recall they even show
> how someone could have done it including setting up a dead alien
> corpse.

> Needless to say in our day and age getting film of a phony dead
> alien is no big deal. This suggests to me that we should at
> leaste examine the film.

> Santilli has endless promised to provide 1 or 2 frames of the
> film so that they could be examined by Kodak and or other
> experts.  Has not happened inspite of all of Rays
> tales/claims/stories/promises.  Sure makes you wonder about Ray
> and if he knows something about the film.

> The cameraman is alleged to have claimed that the crash happened
> at the end of May1947.  I have yet to see or hear of ANY proof
> that ANY kind of military operation took place in, around during
> May 1947 that was remotely connected with a crashed UFO.

> I have also noticed how some have attempted to connect the film
> and Roswell even though the two events are seperated by a month.

> At the time I wondered  about the *possibility* that   the film
> was something designed to "discredit" the events at Roswell. You
> know connect the two in the general public's  mind, then we have
> the public examinations  and interviews with FX experts on how it
> could, or how they would have faked it, then in general publics
> mind the film is a fake, so  Roswell is a fake also......

> In the final examination it seems like everybody is sitting
> around waiting for Ray to do something and Ray isn't doing
> anything nor is he showing any signs that he plans to do anything
> all his tales and stories aside.

> Cheers,
> Robert

Dear Robert,

I'm not sitting around waiti8ng for Ray or anyone else for that
matter.
There are others involved with the ownership of the film other
than Ray santilli, Volker Spielberg in Germany to name but one. I
honestly believe that if Ray Santilli was in sole
possession/ownership of the film, then things would have turned
out quite differently.

As for FX/movie companies research capabilities we only have to
look to Hollywood to see that sometimes, despite how many
millions of dollars you have at your disposal, errors are made in
movies regarding artefacts being out of place, in the wrong era,
etc. Of course Hollywood does get things right more often than
not but they do make some errors from time-to-time.

Fake or genuine someone other than Santilli and Co know more
about this film. If it is a fake then several people at least
would have been involved and as yet they are not talking.
Likewise, if is authentic, the same might possibly apply.

I'm a patient man, but I can assure  you I'm not just sitting
here waiting for Ray Santilli.

Philip.










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              Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs'

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:50:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:23:51 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs'

>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:53:55 +1100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Dave Everett <deverett@idx.com.au>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:10:05 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>>>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

>>I tend to view time as like a tree with many branches.  Our
>>actions at any point determine which branch we travel down.  Time
>>travellers would merely create more branches if they changed
>>things.

>I have a great deal of trouble with this notion. Each branching
>would require the replication of every scrap of matter and energy
>in the Universe.

Not really.  Part of the observer effect.  No one observer can
observe more than one of these universes at any given time, so
for that observer only one of them exists.  The rest exist as
quantum probabilities unless collapsed into reality by
observation.

>As much as I would want to timetravel, I can't help but feel that
>Past and Future are simply mental constructs.

>Dave Everett.

I don't think so.  But to me, you are just a mental construct,
since I have never personally observed you, and vice versa of
course!!

Bob





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                         The Opening of SETI article

From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:28:39 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:17:28 -0500
Subject: The Opening of SETI article

http://www.slip.net/~gmz/Opening.html

THE OPENING OF SETI
Rethinking the SETI Paradigm and the Future of SETI
by GERRY ZEITLIN

A very interesting article.

Regards,

JJ Mercieca
Malta UFO Research
http://www.mufor.org/









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                        Photographic Analysis Needed

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:25:53 -0500
Subject: Photographic Analysis Needed

Dear collaeagues,

I have recently come into possession of a daylight-disc
photograph from Hungary. The written details accompanying it are
some scant, but it is interesting if nothing else.

What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
who best to contact.

If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
let me know.

Yours Sincerely,


Philip Mantle.










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                         Gulf Breeze UFO Conference

From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:16:58 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:32:38 -0500
Subject: Gulf Breeze UFO Conference

Hi Everybody,

My wife and I will be attending the Project Awareness, 1998
Gulf Breeze UFO Conference, March 20-22 in Gulf Breeze,
Florida. Is anybody else going? It should be a good one!
I just wish they would have gotten somebody besides
Scott Mandelker to complete the list. Has anybody ever
heard Forest Crawford speak? Hopefully we'll have our
first sighting!

See Ya,

Joe

****************More Information at    www.projectawareness.com
*****************

Here is the list of the speakers:

Donald Ware -
Ten Years of Gulf Breeze Sightings -
Fri. - Mar. 20th - 8:15 PM

Budd Hopkins -
Four Extraordinary Cases -
Sat. - Mar. 21 - 7:00PM

Linda Moulton Howe -
Military Voices: US Government Knowledge & Cover-up
About Non Human Entities
Sun. - Mar. 22 - 9:00AM

Scott Mandelker, Ph.D. -
From Elsewhere: ET Souls on Earth
Fri. - Mar. 20 - 11:00AM

Jim Marrs -
What Is The Alien Agenda?
Fri. - Mar. 20 - 6:30PM

William Hamilton, III
Alien Astronautics: Reverse Engineering Alien Technology
Sun - Mar. 22 - 1:15PM

David Jacobs -
The Aliens' Secret Program
Sat. - Mar. 21 - 10:45AM

Forest Crawford -
The Oscar Case: The High Strangeness of Investigating Contactees
Fri. - Mar. 20 - 1:30PM

Jaime Maussen -
The Mexican UFOs: The Most Astounding UFO Videos In History
Sat. - Mar. 21 - 1:45PM

SPECIAL EVENTS

Budd Hopkins & David Jacobs -
UFO Abduction Phenomenon:
It's History, Symptoms, Treatment and Future
Fri. - Mar. 20 - 3:15PM

Scott Mandelker, Ph.D.
World Changes and The Spirtual Path
Sat. - Mar 21 - 8:45AM

Linda Howe -
High Strangeness Update - 1998
Sat. Mar. 21 - 3:30PM

Jaime Maussan -
Extraordinary Proof: The Ultimate UFO Video
Sun. - Mar. 22 - 10:45AM

Speaker's Debate -
Aliens: Good or Evil?
Sat. - Mar. 21 - 8:45PM








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              Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs'

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:50:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:22:46 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs'

>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:29:36 +1100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Stuart & Toni Livesey <livesey@trump.net.au> [Stuart]
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>In defence of that statement let me ask a general question of the
>list. Do we have any indication of advancements in alien
>technology over the years since they began appearing on this
>planet?

>What brings that to mind is the repetitive sightings of similar
>craft over centuries. For example, cigar shaped craft have been
>depicted in woodcuts from Germany crafted during the Dark
>Age/Renaissance period and very similar craft are still appearing
>today. Does that faintly support stagnant technology or time
>travel? I don't know but it is worth pondering.


<snip>

Damned good point.  I don't think we have seen any progress in
technology by the "aliens".  To me that argues that the ides of
them being visitors from an advanced civilization is flat out
wrong.

>Now don't get me wrong, I like to think that I'm not "off with
>the fairies" when considering UFOs/Aliens but the more I look at
>this phenomena the more I am beginning to feel that the things on
>which we base our investigations of UFOs/Aliens is probably like
>looking at the world through welders goggles. Our view is
>hindered by our preconcieved ideas of what was, what is and what
>should be.

>Stuart

There's worse places to be than "off with the fairies"!!

I've been saying that I think this phenomenon is going to turn
out, if we ever understand it, to be something far weirder than
just visitors from somewhere/somewhen else, but nobody seems to
want to throw off their blinders.

Bob










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                       UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 3

From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com> [Joseph Trainor]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:07:17 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:38:34 -0500
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 3


     UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 3
January 18, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

ALIENS LAND IN CROATIA

     A newspaper in Croatia reported last week that
four aliens had landed at a farm just outside the
city of Sibenik.
     Sibenik is a port on the Adriatic Sea about
225 kilometers (140 miles) south of Zagreb.
     According to the newspaper Vercernji List, a
farmer named Jako Vrancic was herding his cattle
on his farm north of Sibenik when a UFO landed
soundlessly in the pasture.  He described the
object as looking like a household flatiron.
     Vercernji List described the event as "a close
encounter between a (retired) peasant farmer and
four aliens...The aliens had the stature and build
of human children, he said."
     Vrancic offered to share his lunch--ham and
dried figs--with the occupants, but they told him
they weren't hungry.
     "We had no problem communicating, as they
spoke a broken form of Croatian," Vrancic said.
      "I felt no fear, as I had previously seen things
like this on TV," he added.
     Following a brief visit, the occupants reboarded
their "iron-shaped spacecraft" and flew away.
     Vercernji List stated that the "pensioner" Vrancic
"is reportedly well-liked in his village and was
described as an honest and down-to-earth man by
his friends."  (See CNI News volume 3, number 22,
part 2.  Many thanks to CNI News editor Mike Lindemann
and contributor James Sutton for this story.)

ARIZONA CITIES REPORT MANY
NEW UFO SIGHTINGS

     Three large cities in Arizona reported multiple UFO
sightings last week.
     The new flap began Sunday afternoon, January 11,
1998, when residents of Phoenix, the state capital,
reported spotting "three shiny silvery objects flying at
a high altitude" above the city.
     That night, at 9 p.m., a TV station in Tucson
(population 405,390), a large city 117 miles
(187 kilometers) southeast of Phoenix, aired an
amateur videotape showing "a large bright orange
glowing UFO" flying near Mount Lemmon and
Spencer Canyon north of the city.  The news
broadcast described it as "a possible campfire."
     According to Tom King, director of Arizona
Skywatch, park rangers investigated the event
"and found nothing."
     On Monday, January 12, 1997, at 12:30 a.m.,
witnesses in Mesa, Arizona (population 288,091),
a city 19 miles (31 kilometers) east of Phoenix,
"saw the strange orange object.  It brightened and
dimmed several times," King reported.  "It split in
two and headed in formation towards Phoenix" at
"three times the speed of any normal military
aircraft."  (The object's estimated speed was about
1,800 miles per hour--J.T.)
     On Wednesday, January 14, 1998, at 10 p.m.,
Arizona Skywatch received calls from several
residents in the Broadway Road/Southern Avenue
section of Phoenix.  They reported videotaping
"mysterious orange lights" over the South Mountains,
scene of the big UFO flap on March 13, 1997.
     King said his group has "obtained the schedule
of (military) flare drops" and will compare these times
with the UFO reports.
     On Thursday, January 15, 1998, at 10 p.m.,
witnesses in Phoenix and the city of Casa Grande
(population 19,082) about 40 miles (64 kilometers)
to the south reported seeing "three glowing objects
with slight pulsating motions" over the nearby
desert.  (Many thanks to Tom King of Arizona
Skywatch for this story.)

UFOs AGAIN ACTIVE IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE AND VERMONT

     A mysterious bright blue flash lit up the sky over
Exeter, New Hampshire the night of December 28,
1997 and was seen by two people.
     Exeter, N.H. (population 9,558) is on Route 108
approximately 15 miles (25 kilometers) south of
Portsmouth, near the state's Atlantic Ocean shore.
The town was the site of numerous UFO sightings
back in September 1965.
     According to the Boston Globe, "Dave Jackson
said the mysterious brilliant blue flash lit up the sky
over Exeter, N.H. on December 28 as he drove along.
'It was brighter than anything I've ever seen,' he said."
     "A woman from Hampton Falls, N.H. saw a
similar blinding flash in the same area about a month
earlier."  (i.e. late November 1997--J.T.)
     The cases are being investigated by MUFON New
Hampshire, according to Peter Geremia, the group's
state director for New Hampshire.  (See the Boston,
Mass. Globe for January 10, 1998, page B-5,
"What Was It?")
     On Sunday, January 11, 1998, two members of
MUFON Vermont and their adult daughter were
driving on Interstate Highway 91 just south of
Newport, Vermont (population 4,484) at around
10:30 p.m.
     "It was a clear night with partial clouds...The
witnesses saw blinking red and white lights, which
changed to a horizontal row of white lights.  Then
they changed to a red and white light, then back
to all white...The object was low, headed north,
and no sound was heard."
     The wife said "they were amazed because it
was so low and so wide" that they compared it
"to a World War II bomber."
     Newport, Vt. is on the south shore of Lake
Memphremagog, just below the Canadian border,
approximately 65 miles (104 kilometers) north
of Montpelier, the state capital.  (See Filer's Files
#3 for 1998.  Many thanks to George A. Filer of
MUFON for this report.)

DAYLIGHT DISC SEEN OVER
SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI

     On Monday, January 5, 1998, at 2:50 p.m.,
Ms. C.R. of Ozark, Missouri was in her car,
waiting for a traffic light to change at 3100
South Glenstone Avenue in the nearby city
of Springfield (population 140,494) when she
spotted something strange in the overcast sky.
     "What appeared then was a round disk-shaped
object moving slowly to the northeast.  She
observed the object for well over a minute while
waiting for a left-turn signal."
     "She described the UFO as having a dull gray
bottom with a bright silvery top as it slightly
turned on its right.  The woman had her (car)
window down and she said no noise was noticed
during the sighting.  She attempted to take a photo
of the UFO in a bank parking lot, but when she got
out of the car, the object had disappeared."  (Many
thanks to Brian Adams of the Ozark Area Research
Group for this report.)

UFO SEEN BY CROWD IN
NORTHERN INDIA

     A Swiss family and a dozen local residents
watched a UFO perform aerobatic maneuvers high
above the town of Kimsar, Rajahstan state, India
at 11 p.m. on Christmas Eve, December 24, 1997.
     Kimsar is located in the Rajahstan desert
about 720 kilometers (450 miles) southwest of
New Delhi, capital of India.
     Eyewitness Alex Carrara said his family had
left their home in Geneva, Switzerland to spend
the Christmas holiday in India.  Alex was standing
outside their rented home with his parents, his
brother and his sister when they saw a crowd of
"10 to 12 local people looking at the sky."
     "We were struck by the sight, and there was
no sound," Alex reported, describing the UFO as
"bright yellow or orange.  I'm quite sure there was
a yellow-orange aura around the object."
     The UFO approached Kimsar from the east
"at an extremely high altitude...flying about at
between 50 to 70 degrees above the horizon.
Some of the (local) witnesses argued that it was
a satellite, but the direction of the object wasn't
straight like a satellite.  The object followed three
different courses.  I know the sky well and have
been studying astronomy for years.  I know this
was not a star."
     Alex also pointed out that it couldn't have been
a distant electric light because "there are no lights
(in Kimsar) because there is no electricity."
     The UFO peformed its strange turning manuevers
for another five minutes before "it disappeared in
the west," towards Phalodi.  (Email Interview)

UFOs SEEN OVER BEDFORD
AND IMMINGHAM, UK

     Two UFO sightings were reported in the United
Kingdom last week, over Bedfordshire and
Humberside.
     On Wednesday, January 14, 1998, at 6:10 p.m.,
Andi T. was in a car "near the roundabout (rotary)
where the (Motorway) A6 Luton-to-Bedford road
meets the Bedford By-pass" when a UFO flashed
by overhead.  The sighting took place about 60 miles
(96 kilometers) north of London.
     "A bright light shot across the sky about a mile
from the roundabout," Andi reported.  "This light
was like a shooting star except it lasted a lot longer
and had a tail.  Not long after I witnesses this light,
I saw two lights at the horizon (near Bedford), but
those objects didn't move any nearer to me."
(Email Interview)
     On Sunday night, January 4, 1998, at about
11 p.m., a UFO described as "a yellow harvest moon"
hovered above a residential neighborhood in
Immingham, on the river Humber, approximately
75 miles (120 kilometers) northeast of Sheffield.
     The object was first seen by a woman in the
house, who immediately called her relatives to come
and look.  Among the relatives was Paul H., a local
skywatcher.
     "There was a harvest moon in the wrong part of
the sky--too low, too large and too yellow," he said.
"Whatever it was, it was at about rooftop height,
under conditions of low cloud.  We saw the 'moon'
from upstairs, and from there the 'moon' appeared to
be at the same elevation as us.  It appeared to be
big, as is a harvest moon, but the actual moon had
already been seen about one hour earlier by me,
much higher up in the sky.  The (UFO's) colour was
yellow.  I got out my 30mmX30mm telescope for a
better look."
     Paul estimated the UFO's size as "about ten
meters (33 feet) in length."
     "After five minutes of discussion and telescope
viewing, we checked from another angle from another
room, but in the time I moved from one room to
another, it had moved so as to be no longer visible...
I went back to my room, and it appeared that the
'moon' was rapidly being covered by cloud--much like
watching an eclipse," he noted, adding that, because
of the overcast, "nothing was visible above 50 degrees"
from the horizon.  (Email Interview)

NETHERLANDS TOWN GETS
MANY VISITS FROM UFOs

     On December 21, 1997, ufologist Geert van
Halem left his home on the van Beethovenstraat
in Gorinchem in the Netherlands when he
spotted a strange object in the northern sky.
     Van Halem described the UFO as "about 8
to 10 meters (25 to 33 feet) in diameter, which
illuminated a bright white light.  It was not normal
light but was kind of a shiny glow.  Its altitude was
about 500 meters (1,650 feet) and it was about 45
degrees above the horizon.  It was hovering
silently above my neighborhood."
     Van Halem said he had seen an identical
white UFO in the same part of the sky the
night of October 30, 1997.
     On November 8, 1997, at 7 p.m., he observed
"an object which illuminated a bright red light with
a kind of glow to it" to the north-northwest "at an
angle of about 50 degrees above the horizon."
     Two weeks later, while bicycling after dark
across a dyke on the Merwedekanaal in the
nearby village of Woudrichem, he saw "an object
about 20 meters in length.  I could see a row of
lights around the object, but I'm not sure if it was
circular or similarly shaped...It moved silently with
a speed of 17.5 meters per second  (i.e. 6,300
kilometers per hour or 3,780 miles per hour--J.T.)
It was this speed that convinced me that it could
have absolutely not been an airplane."  (Many thanks
to Dutch readers Stephan and Annet for forwarding
this story.)

MORE UFO SECT MEMBERS
ARRESTED IN THE CANARY
ISLANDS

     On Monday evening, January 12, 1998, Spanish
police arrested another 19 members of Centro
Sagrado de Isis in Santa Cruz de Tenerife.
     Santa Cruz is on the north shore of Tenerife,
one of the seven Islas Canarias (Canary Islands)
off the northwestern coast of Africa.
     "The nineteen, including three children, were
taken into custody late Monday, after police
searched a house belonging to their jailed leader,"
Dr. Heide Fittkau-Garthe, 57, of Santa Cruz de
Tenerife, "said Mari Paz Bernal, a spokeswoman
for the Interior Ministry."
     "Their leader, Heide Fittkau-Garthe, 57, was
arrested last week and accused of an earlier plot
to lead her 31 followers in a mass suicide.
According to police, the original scheme called
for the followers to kill themselves on January 8--
the day they reportedly believed the world would end."
    "Fittkau-Garthe has denied the charges of a group
plot to take their lives."
     "The followers, police said, believed a space
ship would come and pick up their bodies at
(Pico de) Teide (a volcano) on Tenerife."
     On Tuesday, January 13, 1998, the nineteen
suspects, all Germans who had recently come to
Tenerife, were "released without charge...a day
after being accused of allegedly planning to take
part in a mass suicide."
     Sra. Paz Bernal reportedly had no comment
about whether the release meant the Spanish police
still considered the group "a dangerous cult."
     "Police said they would continue to monitor the
Germans, who were staying in Fittkau-Garthe's
house, but they were free to leave the country."
      The other 12 members, including Germans and
Belgians, were not arrested, Sra. Paz Bernal said.
     Dr. Fittkau-Garthe remains in police custody in
Santa Cruz de Tenerife.  Her attorney, Enrique
Porres, said the doctor is "currently charged with
attempted murder and incitement to suicide" and
added that "the allegations were unfounded."
     Dr. Fittkau-Garthe dispenses "spiritual therapy,"
Porres said, and Centro Sagrado de Isis "has
nothing to do with mass suicide."
     "During their search of Fittkau-Garthe's house,
police discovered a child's drawing of a UFO and
then concocted the spaceship story, he says."
(See the Las Vegas, Nevada Sun for January 13,
1998, "German Cult Members Released.")
(Editor's Comment:  No doubt about it.  Dr. Heide
Fittkau-Garthe is the new John Ford.  Free thought
in the NATO countries?  In the words of an old
farmer I met in Bethel, Maine..."Ain't no such
animal, sonny!")

STRANGE MYSTERIES OF
THE CANARY ISLANDS

     Dr. Heide Fittkau-Garthe's decision to locate her
Centro Sagrado de Isis in the Canary Islands, owned
by Spain, probably has much to do with the seven
islands' unusual history.
     Although located out in the Atlantic Ocean, the
islands were known to the ancient Phoenicians,
Greeks and Romans.
     Roman author Pliny, in his HISTORIA NATURALIS,
Book IV, pages 31-32, describes the Canaries as
the "Happy Islands" or "Blessed Islands," located
750 miles "southwest of Gades."  (modern Cadiz,
Spain--J.T.)
     Around 85 B.C., the Roman general Sertorius
and his followers fled to "Junonia" (Gran Canaria
island) after his arch-rival Sulla siezed power and
became dictator of Rome.  Sertorius brought with
him the rebel treasury, which is reportedly buried
somewhere in the islands.
     On April 11, 1307, a caravel belonging to the
Knights Templar sailed down the Seine from Paris,
loaded to the gunwales with medeival iron-bound
chests brimming with gold, silver and jewels.  This
particular Templar treasure ship also landed
somewhere in the Canaries.  Just as other
treasure ships left France the same week, just
before King Philip IV lowered the boom on the
controversial Templar order.
     In September 1492, Christopher Columbus and
his three-ship fleet spent a month anchored there
when the Pinta lost her rudder.
     In 1862, a Roman Catholic priest hiking along
the forested western shore of Hierro Island
"discovered signs of writing engraved on the side
of a cliff.  At the base of the rocky wall were
seats of hewn stone arranged in a ring."
     The unknown Hierro Island inscription bears
a strong resemblance to the writing on Harappan
seals discovered at Mohenjo-Daro, Pakistan,
the sacred rongorongo boards found on Easter
Island and hieroglyphics at several sites in
southern Algeria.  (See THE WORLD'S LAST
MYSTERIES, Reader's Digest Association,
Pleasantville, N.Y., 1976, page 299)
     In the 1930s, author Paul le Cour, president
of Societe Francais d'Atlantologie, found several
mysterious clay seals in a grotto near San
Miguel de Tenerife, which he claimed were
"artifacts from the lost continent of Atlantis."
     The writing on the San Miguel seals did
not match the Hierro Island inscription, however.
(See SHADOW OF ATLANTIS by Alexander
Braghine, 1940, reprinted 1995 by Adventures
Unlimited Press.)
     Another interesting site on Tenerife is
Las Canadas, which has what looks like three
stone dolmens half-submerged in a pyroclastic
lava flow.  The site is located in the main caldera
of Pico de Teide.

from the UFO Files...

1971: AUSTRALIAN HIKER HAS
          AN ALIEN ENCOUNTER
          AT WARRAGAMBA DAM

     In January 1971, Australian hiker Glenn Weston had
a close encounter with aliens near Warragamba Dam
on Lake Burragorang in New South Wales, about 110
miles (176 kilometers) west of Sydney.
     "One night while camping in a remote area to the
south of the Warragamba Dam backwaters," Glenn
Weston awoke to "a loud humming noise.  He got to
his feet and, torch (flashlight) in hand, started off into
the bush in the direction of the strange sound, hoping
to find out the source."
     "He soon became aware that the scrub ahead of
him was lit up by a glowing white light.  As he
approached a nearby clearing he could see through
the trees that the glow was coming from some
strange structure that he thought to be somewhat
egg-shaped.  Dark, manlike figures appeared to be
moving hastily about the craft."
     "Feeling a little uneasy Weston switched off
his torch and remained hidden among the trees
for a moment, wondering whether to approach the
figures to enquire what was going on.  While he hid
there the figures disappeared into the object and
the glow suddenly faded.  The mysterious dark shape
rose into the air, its loud humming noise now silent."
     "Mr. Weston returned rather hastily to his camp.
Unable to sleep after what he had witnessed, he
remained awake until morning when he wasted no
time in packing his haversack and leaving the valley."
(See MYSTERIOUS AUSTRALIA by Rex Gilroy,
Nexus Publishing, Mapleton, Qnld., 1995, page 22)

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     That's it for this week.  Join us next Sunday for
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              Green Light for June 6 People's Rally at AREA 51

From: groomwatch@aol.com, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:45:59 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:26:14 -0500
Subject: Green Light for June 6 People's Rally at AREA 51

Received via "alt.paranet.ufo" December 18 at 21.17 local time:

*******

Date: 18 Jan 1998 20:06:01 GMT
From: groomwatch@aol.com (GroomWatch)
Subject: Green Light for June 6 People's Rally at AREA 51
Message-ID: <19980118200601.PAA21681@ladder01.news.aol.com>


The People's Rally at AREA 51 will take place as scheduled on
Saturday, June 6, right at the restricted boundary line on Groom
Lake Road, as previously announced.  This will be a legal, public
assembly and will take place on legal, public land.

The event will be a spontaneous, peaceful gathering of concerned
citizens.

One of the primary purposes of the gathering will be to bring to
the attention once again to the newsmedia the plight of former
Groom Lake workers who are still suffering from illnesses caused
by long-term exposure to highly toxic materials without their
knowledge while working at AREA 51, the base that officially
"doesn't exist".

The former workers and their families' plea is not monetary
compensation but to seek for cures for the diseases.

There will be no organization behind this scheduled event.  It
will simply be a spontaneous gathering.  Quite a number of people
may already be camping out overnight on Friday, June 5 at the
site.

The news media may show up to cover the event, depending on how
much publicity will be generated regarding the event.

The event will start at 6 a.m. on Saturday, June 6.

Each participant is suggested to bring a mirror (of any
kind......the larger the better) for the event.

All vehicles are to be parked off Groom Lake Road.  Lincoln
County Sheriff Dept. will not allow any vehicle to be parked on
the dirt road for the event.

And also, early on Sunday morning, June 7, there will be a hike
up to the ridges of Tickaboo Mountains to observe the Groom Lake
facility.

This particular hike may be a llittle strenuous since this time
it will not originate from the Alamo side, but it will be form
the west side, a direct "frontal assault" on the mountains from
the Tickaboo Valley side.


Norio Hayakawa





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                             Re: 'The Threat'...

From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:58:43 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:29:36 +1100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Stuart & Toni Livesey <livesey@trump.net.au> [Stuart]
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>In defence of that statement let me ask a general question of the
>list. Do we have any indication of advancements in alien
>technology over the years since they began appearing on this
>planet?

>What brings that to mind is the repetitive sightings of similar
>craft over centuries. For example, cigar shaped craft have been
>depicted in woodcuts from Germany crafted during the Dark
>Age/Renaissance period and very similar craft are still appearing
>today. Does that faintly support stagnant technology or time
>travel? I don't know but it is worth pondering.


<snip>


There are many billions of stars that have existed in our
galaxy for millions and billions of years prior to the
appearance of the Sun or of home sapiens on earth.  Any
civilizations associated with those stars could be just
as old.

So if we're being visited by civilizations millions of
years old, a couple of points spring to mind:

1. A few thousand years of recorded human history isn't much
   compared to such time frames.  In fact, its nothing.

2. It isn't hard to imagine that any civilization that old
   probably won't be changing their spacecraft models as fast
   as Detroit produces car models.  In fact, chances are any
   civilization that old settled on basically reliable craft
   designs tens of thousands if if not millions of years ago.
   More or less like our basic design of scissors hasn't
   changed much since the days of the Roman empire.

I think the above post reflects a viewpoint with "time blinders"
on.  The universe is as vast time-wise as it is distance-wise.
With all that might imply about those visiting us.

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                       Re: Gulf Breeze UFO Conference

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:41:46 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:13:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze UFO Conference


> From: Ufojoe1 <Ufojoe1@aol.com> [Joe Murgia]
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:16:58 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Gulf Breeze UFO Conference

> Hi Everybody,

> My wife and I will be attending the Project Awareness, 1998
> Gulf Breeze UFO Conference, March 20-22 in Gulf Breeze,
> Florida. Is anybody else going?

At the risk that you change your mind about attending <g> -- I'm
gonna be there. Already made my hotel reservation. Looking
forward to meeting you, I've been reading you since FIDO.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

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http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/

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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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               Repeat showings of "UFOs: The 100-Year Coverup"

From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:53:08 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:49:46 -0500
Subject: Repeat showings of "UFOs: The 100-Year Coverup"


For them as may have missed it last night, the 2-hour "Sightings" special
"UFOs:  The 100-Year Coverup" will be rebroadcast on the Sci-Fi Channel as
follow (times are U.S. EASTERN):  today, 1/18, at 3 p.m. and Sunday, 1/25, at
10 a.m.

Yrs Trly is prominently featured (including, on camera, some of my recent on-
site work on the famous August 1952 Florida scoutmaster "saucer-attack" case).
Those of you who've formed your impressions of me on the basis of my Roswell
work and conclusions may be a tad surprised.

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:20:26 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:18:25 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  > From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
>  > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  > >  Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
>  > >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  > >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  > >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  > >  Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
>  > >  has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
>  > >  or the other.

>  > >  Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
>  > >  accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
>  > >  the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
>  > >  (there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
>  > >  Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
>  > >  would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
>  > >  just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
>  > >  you ?

>  > >  Philip.

<brevity snip>

>  > In the final examination it seems like everybody is sitting
>  > around waiting for Ray to do something and Ray isn't doing
>  > anything nor is he showing any signs that he plans to do anything
>  > all his tales and stories aside.

>  > Cheers,
>  > Robert

>  Dear Robert,

>  I'm not sitting around waiti8ng for Ray or anyone else for that
>  matter.
>  There are others involved with the ownership of the film other
>  than Ray santilli, Volker Spielberg in Germany to name but one. I
>  honestly believe that if Ray Santilli was in sole
>  possession/ownership of the film, then things would have turned
>  out quite differently.


Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
Ray involved in the loop?

Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
discovery portion.

Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
come true.

Cheers,
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                       Re: The Opening of SETI article

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:01:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:40:53 -0500
Subject: Re: The Opening of SETI article

> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:28:39 +0100
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
> Subject: The Opening of SETI article

> http://www.slip.net/~gmz/Opening.html

> THE OPENING OF SETI
> Rethinking the SETI Paradigm and the Future of SETI
> by GERRY ZEITLIN

> A very interesting article.

> Regards,

> JJ Mercieca
> Malta UFO Research
> http://www.mufor.org/

JJ,

A very interesting article indeed.  Thank you for sharing this with
the list.

I would also like to share with the list a note that I sent to the
author of the article.  My note is below:



Hello Gerry,

An excellent article on SETI.

Many of the apparent contradictions in the history of SETI can be
better understood by investigation of the background of the
individuals involved.  In particular Frank Drake's "Is Anyone Out
There?" scratches the surface of his military intelligence
connection pp. 13.

He was also a prot=E9g=E9 of Donald Menzel the noted Harvard
astronomy department head who was also the commander of Frank
Drakes Naval Reserve Unit.  Menzel was also a National Security
Agency operative for many years, this has been documented by
author Stanton Friedman (Top Secret/Majic chapter 2 "The Double
Life of Dr. Menzel") who interviewed Menzel's widow and reviewed
his personal papers at Harvard.  If you read Drake's description
of his military background you will see it is a discussion of an
intelligence position.  Most likely on the Admiral's carrier he
was in Signals Intelligence on assignment to the NSA.  Its funny
that almost the same time of wording is used by other authors in
describing their intelligence assignments with the NSA.  Raymond
Fowler who was in the US Air Force on assignment to the NSA uses
a very similar description of his /military intelligence
service.

Frank Drake was Lloyd Bernker's "wunderkind" see pp 27 of ISOT?,
in fact that entire chapter 2 "Lost Keys Under a Streetlamp" is
an amazing discussion of the genesis of Project Ozma that never
once discusses a crucial piece of information that is now in the
public domain in open sources, namely that the National Radio
Astronomy Observatory was a  cold war project whose funding
primarily came from the NSA which had created it for
communications intelligence, radioastronomy was a part of the
picture too and a nice cover operation.

There is nothing conspiratorial about any of this, in fact it is
only logical that our government, apprised of the possibility of
ETI, should seek to manage the discovery process and contact.
What I do find surprising is discussions that ignore this
material which is well documented in open sources and that find
the SETI situation illogical when in fact that is only true if
these critical issues and historical connections are not included
in the discussion.


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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:02:55 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:16:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:27:33 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  >From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
>  >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
>  >To: updates@globalserve.net
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  >You recall the fairy photograph hoax that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>  >fell for in the early part of this century.  It wasn't until one
>  >or both of the sisters were at the end of their life that they
>  >'fessed up to the hoax and how they used cutouts of the fairys etc
>  >etc.

>  >Likewise I suspect that if somebody manufactured this film, we
>  >won't find out about it until 20-50 years from now when the
>  >person fesses up to it.

>  The obvious differences invalidate this comparison.  The fairy
>  photos were still photographs done by two sisters. The AA film is
>  full motion and involves at least five people, probably more.
>  For every person who is added to the hoax, the probablity that
>  someone will spill the beans increses exponentially.

>  Bob


In your attempt to invalidate a comparison, you missed the point.
Simply being that hoaxes can happen, do happen, and have been
kept secret for years, whether the number of people involved is 2
or 5.

It is true that the more people you have involved, the more
*chances of the beans spilling*  BUT it does not mean that those
responsible will in fact tell all.

Like I said perhaps in 15-30 years on somebodys death bed, we
will get the real story of the film.

Cheers,
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                    Three US Channels Offer UFO Specials

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:28:10 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:51:51 -0500
Subject: Three US Channels Offer UFO Specials

Ufo Shows Might Wow the Gullible, But Will Leave Skeptics Unbudged


The Columbus Dispatch
Sat, Jan 17 1998


Forget about watching the skies, all you ufologists. For the next week,
watch the tube.

Three channels will offer special programs that focus on
extraterrestrials. Some shows take a somewhat objective viewpoint,
while others report just about anything as true.

Don't expect skepticism from the Sci-Fi Channel's Sightings, for
instance, unless it's about the government. The program's special
report, UFOs: The 100 Year Cover-Up, features host Tim White (wearing a
rather otherworldly toupee) scoffing at pointy-headed bureaucrats while
raptly informing viewers that 1947 is "the single most important year
in ufology."

It's all here -- scoutmasters seeing UFOs, "flying triangles" near
Stonehenge, secondhand reports of alien autopsies at Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base.

While mention is made that Stonehenge, like UFO central Roswell, N.M.,
just happens to be near high-security air bases, Sightings somehow
can't believe that many of those unidentified flying objects could
simply be military aircraft.

Nor does the show bother to look for reasons that UFO sightings seem to
have started in 1897 in Aurora, Texas, even though the report is the
basis for the program's title.

The fact that War of the Worlds was published in 1897 does not escape
the bright folks who produced We Are Not Alone, a three-part miniseries
that is part of theLearning Channel's Alien Invasion Week.

Actor French Stewart, who plays an alien on the NBC sitcom 3rd Rock
From the Sun, hosts the channel's second annual weeklong celebration of
Agent X, Area 51 and alleged alien abductees.

We Are Not Alone takes a far more careful approach to the whole
business, looking not only at abductions but at such mainstream
scientific projects as SETI, the Search for Extra Terrestrial
Intelligence.

We Are Not Alone presents spectacular images from the Hubble Space
Telescope, underlining aesthetically what the telescope revealed
scientifically: that the universe contains many more stars than anyone
had previously believed.

The show talks to credible witnesses; looks at the Hale-Bopp comet and
its influence on the Heaven's Gate cult; and examines "Epona," a World
Wide Web site that speculates on how alien beings might have evolved.

But, hey, why bother speculating when Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake
County can show a family's encounter with "what may be extraterrestrial
life forms."

The UPN special was purportedly recorded and, at times, narrated by the
family's 16-year-old son, Thomas McPherson -- and it looks like it.
Footage shows a family gathering on Thanksgiving and a series of events
that supposedly culminate in a close encounter of the third kind.

Alien Abduction may be surpassed in laughability only by the show
preceding it -- Real Vampires . . . Exposed!


(Copyright 1998)


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                        More about Quebec ufologists

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:33 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:46:52 -0500
Subject: More about Quebec ufologists

I spoke with Jacques Poulet tonight (Sunday). He reported that
yesterday, he received word that electrical power would not be
restored in the "Black Triangle" for as long as two more weeks.
Christian Page had been staying with him up until this point, but
with this news, they each have abandoned Poulet's house and have
moved in with relatives.

Would you believe that Jacques *apologized* for not sending the
1997 Canadian UFO case data to me yet!!!??? With all that they're
going through, he was still thinking about ufology!

I told Jacques to tell Christian and the others that we on
UpDates and CANUFO wish them well and hope they get back home
soon. Good luck to them all!

--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
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                The Learning Channel Presents Second Week On

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:19:01 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:53:45 -0500
Subject: The Learning Channel Presents Second Week On

>From The Knoxville News-Sentinel, January 18. URL:

http://www.knoxnews.com/today/showtime/showtime.htm

*******


LITTLE GREEN MEN


The Learning Channel presents its second week-long look at alien
invasion


By Doug Mason, News-Sentinel entertainment writer



Cable TV exec Steve Cheskin thought up "Shark Week," the genius
marketing stunt that made a success of The Discovery Channel. So after
he moved to The Learning Channel, a TDC sister, Cheskin looked for
another gimmick with bite.

The result was "Alien Invasion Week," which debuted last year and
begins it's second go-around today.

The idea came to Cheskin one night as he stared into the blackness of a
star-filled sky.

But it had it's genesis earlier that day, when Cheskin, who is a
runner, wore his "Shark Week" promotional T-shirt during a race. A lot
of people had come up to him to say how much they loved the annual
TDC's all-sharks, all-week programming marathon.

"Driving home that night I thought 'What can I do at The Learning
Channel that draws the attention that "Shark Week" does?' Then I looked
up at the sky. And I thought . . . Sex shows always do well."

Then he thought some more. "I can't see putting 'Sex Week' on a
T-shirt,' '' Cheskin decided.

So he went with his second choice: Aliens.

"(Programming about) aliens and UFOs had always done extremely well for
us. Plus, 'Independence Day' was in the movie theaters. And there was
'X-Files.' There was a lot of interest in those kinds of shows."

The gimmick worked: The first "Alien Invasion Week" brought The
Learning Channel some of it's highest ratings.

Of course, The Learning Channel doesn't support theories of government
cover-ups of UFO landings, or present as fact claims that aliens have
abducted human beings. But it does give a forum to those who do believe
something is out there, as well as those who don't.

"We do our shows in a real credible way," Cheskin says. "We talk about
the science of it. And the history of it. We don't make fun of anybody
that does believe. At the same time, we don't say that is how it is."

"Alien Invasion Week" begins today and continues through Sunday, Jan.
25. Here's what's out there:


TODAY:

=B0"Roswell," 9 p.m. and midnight. Did aliens crash land their flying
saucer near a U.S. Air Force Base in Roswell, N.M., in 1947? Is that
infamous video of an alien autopsy the real thing? Scientists,
government spokesmen and believers offer their versions.

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Sky Watchers," 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. Using footage of
purported UFO flights, this episode of a three-part series tries to
sort the facts from the fantasies. Interviewees include NASA
scientists, a bewildered jet pilot and his air-traffic controller, and
former Soviet flyers and cosmonauts. Included is a photojournalists
look at America's most secret air base: Area 51.


MONDAY, Jan. 19:

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Alien Hunters," 9 p.m. and midnight. Episode 2
looks at "evidence" of alien visitations gathered from around the
world. Did the White House order an investigation into possible alien
landings - and then cover them up?

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Space Voyagers," 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. Episode 3 asks:
Will we get to them before they get to us? NASA astronomers and the
space agency's chief, Dan Goldin, state their science-based odds on
whether or not their is extra-terrestrial life. Footage from the Hubble
Space Telescope and microscopic looks at the rock from Mars illustrate
a new view on cosmos-wide evolution. Mystics centered in Santa Fe,
N.M., explain why the believe in life on other worlds.


TUESDAY, Jan. 20:

=B0"Alien Secrets: Area 51," 9 p.m. and midnight. A two-part look at the
top-secret Nevada Air Force Base that some believe contains downed
alien spacecraft, which the government is rebuilding and possibly even
piloting. Despite photographic evidence to the contrary, the U.S.
government denies the existence of the subterranean operations center.
Capt. (Ret.) Edgar Mitchell, a physicist who flew to the moon with
Apollo 14, is among the experts who comment on Area 51's existence and
its possible mission.


WEDNESDAY, Jan. 21:

=B0"UFOs and Alien Encounters," 9 a.m. and midnight. "Star Wars" star
Mark "Luke Skywalker" Hammill narrates a historical review of
humanity's accounts of alien visits, from Bible stories to medieval
Japanese folklore to 20th century sightings.

=B0"UFOs Above and Beyond," 10 p.m. and midnight. UFOs have been caught
on film, video and photographs for 50 years. What are these mysterious
aircraft?


THURSDAY, Jan. 22.

=B0"U.F.O." 9 p.m. and midnight. This documentary takes UFO sightings
from around the world case-by-case, offering alternate reasons for many
strange sightings.

=B0"Aliens Invade Hollywood," 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. Filmmakers and movie
stars, including Glenn Close, George Lucas and Danny DeVito, are
interviewed about their other-worldly films. Plus, clips from sci-fi
flicks from the '50s to today.


FRIDAY, Jan. 23:

=B0"Alien Encounter," 9 p.m. and midnight. In 1985, a team of Silicon
Valley astronomers found two new planets in the Big Dipper
constellation - planets that may be capable of sustaining life. The
discover spurred on astronomers at NASA's SETI (Search for
Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence institute, who are creating possible
ways to contact life outside Earth. Scientists offer their views on
what might be out there.

=B0"Future Fantastic: Alien," 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. Gillian Anderson, Agent
Scully on "X-Files," hosts this look at how science fiction is becoming
science fact. Hollywood designers and evolutionary biologists give
their views on how extra-terrestrials are likely to look. The program
also delves into the mysterious Area 51.


SATURDAY, Jan. 24:

=B0"E.T. Please Phone Earth," 6 p.m. A look at astronomers' attempts to
detect voices from outer space.

=B0"Case of the UFOs," 7 p.m. An investigation that provides scientific
explanations for purported alien phenomena, exposing hoaxes and showing
how political fears have fueled the popular imagination. Apollo 12
astronaut Pete Conrad contributes his reflections on life both on and
off Earth.

=B0"Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind," 9 p.m. and midnight. Are
abductions by aliens myths or reality? Psychologist Dr. Susan Blackmore
offers medical explanations for claims of nocturnal alien abductions,
including sleep paralysis, dream phenomena, and even bran mini-seizures
than induce hallucinations.

=B0"UFO and Other Close Encounters," 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. Personal accounts
and home video of purported alien phenomena. Some area revealed as
hoaxes, others continue to defy explanation.


SUNDAY, Jan. 25:

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Skywatchers," 1 p.m.

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Alien Hunters," 2 p.m.

=B0"We Are Not Alone: Sky Voyagers," 3 p.m.

=B0"Alien Secrets: Area 51, Part One," 4 p.m.

=B0"Alien Secrets: Area 51, Part Two," 5 p.m.


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                        Skywatch: New Wave in Arizona

From: skywatch_ok@msn.com
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:28:36 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:32:52 -0500
Subject: Skywatch: New Wave in Arizona

FOR POSTING

reply to:

Report by Tom King

A new wave of UFO sightings are under way in Arizona and two mass
sightings have occurred within the last week.

1/11/98
Sunday afternoon after the rain stopped I noticed some strange
silvery blinking objects moving slowly in the sky. I attempted to
videotape these objects with my new Super camera but it only
resulted in a game of "caught me if you can" with these objects.


1/12/98
Monday night the local news in Tucson aired a report of an
ongoing UFO report. A orange object was on the Catalina Mt. which
is north of Tucson. They speculated it could be a campfire.
Although many people who saw the broadcast said "no way it was a
campfire."=A0 Reports of over a thousand people saw and event with
an orange object that night. Among the witnesses were Bob Dean
who was driving up to Phoenix that night. Hours later the orange
object was seen traveling from Tucson to Phoenix at a very high
rate of speed. It was two orange lights closer together traveling
in a tight formation. It pulsed brighter and dimmed at times
during the observation.

Reports were coming from all over the southern area of Arizona.

1/13/98
Tuesday night a witness of the March 13 lights saw the orange
objects again. She videotaped and  photographed them and reported
the sighting to Village Labs. She was told to call if the lights
returned and Village Labs took the evidence to analyze.

1/14/98
Wednesday night another mass sighting occurred, this time near
the south Phoenix areas. This sighting is very complex and will
take some time to figure out exactly what happened.=A0 The woman
from the previous night saw the lights again and called Village
Labs to report it. People at Village Labs saw the lights and
called residents around the valley to videotape them whatever
they were.=A0 Thousands of people saw them and atleast 7 different
videotapes captured them. These lights were similar to the orange
objects seen on March 13, 1997. Over 2 dozen orange lights hung
in the air between 7-8 pm. Some people recorded 30 and others 40
minutes of footage of these orange lights.

Even the local news was out skywatching for them and caught them
on tape.

What the local news captured was military flares over the
Estrella Mts. They rushed back to the studio to get this on the
air and missed the rest of the show. Geometric formations of
lights in a line appeared and latter a triangle of lights. The
lights appeared in a area of possibly 20 miles in length just
south of the valley.

The news all came up with different stories with who was
responsible for the "flares" seen that night.  All of them
claiming they had solved the mystery. The "Michigan" Air National
Guard and others explanations were the sheriffs department
training in the Gila Bend range.=A0

The flare theory seemed plausible until I was able to see the
videotapes shot that night. Some of these objects have
characteristics that flares simply do not.

Objects were videotaped hanging in the air for over 11 minutes.
They do not descend or break formation as flares do. Some are
even seen moving horizontally and not descending at all. One even
appears to travel upward. The videotapes triangulate the objects
over the Estrella Mts. Almost in the same spot as seen on March
13, 1997. This is outside the military operating area and is
illegal to perform flares drops.

The Michigan Air National guard is claiming responsibility for
the sightings and there is no waste of time to explain this
away.=A0

So what about the flares seen descending over the Estrellas
during the middle of the events that night? This is still a
mystery and does not account for all of the sightings and
eyewitness reports. I do believe the Air force is covering this
up and has a better plan on how to deal with this than they did
last year.

1/15/98
Thursday night was one of the biggest UFO stakes in Phoenix
history. I called dozens of people all over the state and had
Skywatch on alert to videotape any strange orange light in the
sky.

I took a position half way between Phoenix and Casa Grande. We
sighted some of these orange lights 15-20 miles=A0 west of our
position. We took photographs, and two separate videotapes,
including the ultra high powered Super camera.=A0 These objects
appeared under 1,000 ft and did not have any sign of smoke. If
these were military flares then we have proof that they are
operating well outside their military boundaries. This is illegal
and we will continue to push for people responsible to be
prosecuted if they want to claim these objects are theirs. They
could burn down houses or half the desert with these objects.

While the media is calling for video footage from 1/14/98 the
investigators are taking their time with the analysis work before
they release them to the local news to do sloppy work like they
did on 1/14/98 nightly news.

I have been asked to post=A0images from these events. They will
start coming online next week in the OVNI Chapterhouse. Where the
best UFO video in the world can be seen.

Tom King
Arizona Skywatch director
AZ Skywatch http://personal.netwrx.net/xalium/skywatch/skywatch.htm
OVNI Chapterhouse at http://personal.netwrx.net/xalium/ufovideo.htm








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From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:09:37 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:59:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed


> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
> From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO PHOTOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS

> Dear collaeagues,

> I have recently come into possession of a daylight-disc
> photograph from Hungary. The written details accompanying it are
> some scant, but it is interesting if nothing else.

> What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
> reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
> photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
> not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
> who best to contact.

> If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
> let me know.

> Yours Sincerely,

> Philip Mantle.


Philip,

Not meaning to sound unfair, but we must all realize that your
question is meaningless.  Submitting the original prints and
original negatives to the best labs and analysist can no longer
be a guarantee of authenticity.

It is not that Maccabee, Delitoso and others are not capable of
doing rigorous analysis according to their favorite techniques,
it is that it is now possible for many people using widely
available computer tools to manipulate images and have service
bureaus print directly to film, images that cannot be
distinguished from fortuitous snapshots.

It is now necessary to verify still and moving images by
investigation of  the site and witnesses.  From this
investigation, a timeline can be constructed that can make the
evidence very reliable.  Its not that I am trying to negate the
contributions of Bruce, Jim and others nor cut into their income,
its just that I want to instill a little honesty about the
current value of such analysis.

Bye...  Ted..









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From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:31:35 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:14:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

Hello the list, and to Philip Mantle...

>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFO PHOTOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS

>Dear collaeagues,

>I have recently come into possession of a daylight-disc
>photograph from Hungary. The written details accompanying it are
>some scant, but it is interesting if nothing else.

>What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
>reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
>photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
>not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
>who best to contact.

>If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
>let me know.

>Yours Sincerely,

>Philip Mantle.


Philip, having no experience at this, other than a past
interest in photography and photo-processing, I would
first make good copies of the original (If you are not in
possession of the original, then forget it), then send a
copy to some of the skeptic groups. You need a biased point
of view as well as unbiased. Besides, it will be good for
you to know just how biased certain groups are.

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:47:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:25:27 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
>Ray involved in the loop?

>Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
>suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
>looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
>discovery portion.

>Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
>come true.

>Cheers,
>Robert


[Volker] Spielberg was contacted directly by Nico Maillard, but
all Nico got for his trouble was an ear full of cursing.
Spielberg has refused interview requests repeatedly, and my
meeting with him was abruptly cancelled the day before I was to
fly to Germany.

As I understand it, the suit was settled out of court.

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From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:20:22 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:56 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


As I am new to this list please forgive if I am covering ground
already well trodden.

> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:58:43 -0600 (CST)
> From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@fc.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'... [was ... - Sandow on Jacobs' new
book]

> So if we're being visited by civilizations millions of
> years old, a couple of points spring to mind:

> 1. A few thousand years of recorded human history isn't much
>    compared to such time frames.  In fact, its nothing.

> 2. It isn't hard to imagine that any civilization that old
>    probably won't be changing their spacecraft models as fast
>    as Detroit produces car models.

On the other hand, it seems to me that what has changed in that
time is our own concept of the fantastic.  I personally believe
that something is happening which we do not understand, but I
have some serious problems accepting the "nuts-and-bolts" view of
UFOs, given that the character of those UFOs seems to change
along with science fiction tastes (although, to be honest, I
suppose one could question the causality).  If one is going to
presume a milion-year-old civilization, their science would
(according to Clarke) probably seem magickal to us, and it would
seem to me just as reasonable to assume they exist in a form we
cannot comprehend and that our contact experiences are what
happens when an intelligence beyond our understanding is
expressed through the limitations of our brains.

If anyone is aware of evidence which substantiates the existence
of actual alien spacecraft (as opposed to simply unknown luminous
phenomena) please tell me; I'm certainly open to changing my
view.

Assuming no real progress is made, and that we continue to view
UFOs as mythological phenomena, I wonder how they will appear,
say, 100 years from now, or 200.


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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:47:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:16:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
>Ray involved in the loop?
>
>Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
>suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
>looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
>discovery portion.

>Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
>come true.

>Cheers,
>Robert


Spielberg was contacted directly by Nico Maillard, but all Nico
got for his trouble was an ear full of cursing.  Spielberg has
refused interview requests repeatedly, and my meeting with him
was abruptly cancelled the day before I was to fly to Germany.

As I understand it, the suit was settled out of court.

Bob










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From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:33:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:53:22 -0500
Subject: Re: The Opening of SETI article


>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:28:39 +0100
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
>Subject: The Opening of SETI article

>http://www.slip.net/~gmz/Opening.html

>THE OPENING OF SETI
>Rethinking the SETI Paradigm and the Future of SETI
>by GERRY ZEITLIN

[snip]

I received a response from the author of the article on the
Opening of SETI and with his permission can share it with the
list.

Subject: Re: Your article on The Opening of SETI
   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:59:44 -0800
   From: Gerry Zeitlin <gmz@slip.net>
     To: galevy@pipeline.com

Gary,

Many thanks for your letter.

One of the reasons I placed the paper online as I did was to pull
in more information to help with the research so the paper would
in time become more useful.

I had heard anecdotal references to Drake's background but had
not followed up on them, nor did I know about his connection with
Menzel. Again, Menzel's background is something I had heard about
through Stanton Friedman, but I had not read Friedman's book. I
can see I need to spend some time with the materials you
reference and I thank you for showing me that. This will very
likely result in my adding something to the paper.

The point about NRAO is also well taken, although I don't know
what this would add to my own discussion. You would probably find
some government funding and agendas in any number of radio
astronomy facilities after all.

In your letter you mention that these relationships are not
necessarily conspiratorial and that our government would
naturally wish to manage discovery and contact, and furthermore
that this should be acknowledged in the literature. You also find
it surprising that it has not been.

I can only say that in my case it was simply due to not having
fully realized that there were important connections in the
personal backgrounds of Drake and Menzel.

I do want to make one point, though. There is a certain common
point of view between a radio astronomer involved in SETI and an
organization doing signals intelligence. This is so obvious of
course that I hesitate even to mention it but my point is that
such a person could gravitate to intelligence work just due to
the predilection. There is a charm there that can go beyond
political agendas.

In a more rational world there would be no need for a government
to conceal its deep interest and involvement in SETI. As it is,
however, there are layers upon layers of problems that would need
to be worked through before our government would be able to
acknowledge this. In the larger arena, I fervently hope that
these matters can be resolved.

For the meantime, I will go ahead and say what needs to be said.

Don't look for a revision of the article in the immediate future,
as in the next few days. It's going to take me a little longer to
get to the books etc. and digest the information.

Thanks again and very best regards
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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:44:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:15:34 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:02:55 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>In your attempt to invalidate a comparison, you missed the point.
>Simply being that hoaxes can happen, do happen, and have been
>kept secret for years, whether the number of people involved is 2
>or 5.

>It is true that the more people you have involved, the more
>*chances of the beans spilling*  BUT it does not mean that those
>responsible will in fact tell all.

>Like I said perhaps in 15-30 years on somebodys death bed, we
>will get the real story of the film.

>Cheers,
>Robert



I do not know of any deathbed revelations of hoaxes involving
more than one or two people.

BTW, with regard to the fairy photos, I saw an article some years
ago in a photography journal which conclusively proved that the
two sisters could not have hoaxed the fairy photos in the way the
old lady claimed and with the equipment they were said to have
used.

Bob










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From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:12:52 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

In a message dated 98-01-18 16:35:46 EST, you write:


>  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: UFO PHOTOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS

<snip>

>  What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
>  reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
>  photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
>  not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
>  who best to contact.

>  If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
>  let me know.

Philip,

Aren't you still the MUFON rep for the UK? If so, why wouldn't
you send them to one of MUFON's analysts? What about BUFORA?
Aren't you involved with them as well? I'd be curious if BUFORA
has analysts available for that sort of thing.

Good luck

Rebecca









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From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:17:37 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:46:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed


> From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:12:52 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Photographic Analysis Needed

> In a message dated 98-01-18 16:35:46 EST, you write:

> >  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
> >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  To: updates@globalserve.net
> >  Subject: UFO PHOTOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS

> <snip>

> >  What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
> >  reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
> >  photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
> >  not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
> >  who best to contact.

> >  If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
> >  let me know.

> Philip,

> Aren't you still the MUFON rep for the UK? If so, why wouldn't
> you send them to one of MUFON's analysts? What about BUFORA?
> Aren't you involved with them as well? I'd be curious if BUFORA
> has analysts available for that sort of thing.

> Good luck

> Rebecca
> Dear Rebecca,

Yes I am indeed still part of MUFON and BUFORA. I've sent a
message to MUFON to see who their photo analysts is. I know Jeff
Sainio looks at video's but I'm not sure about still photo's.

As for BUFORA they do have somone, but he works at a University
full time and getting analysis of this sort done can be a lengthy
project as it does it in his spare time.

Like I said, it's a while since I was involved with such a
photo-case so I'm basically checking who is still available just
in case things have changed.

Philip.








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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@AOL.COM> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:41:58 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:56:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


 >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:47:40 -0500
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
 >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

 >>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
 >>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


 >>Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
 >>Ray involved in the loop?

 >>Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
 >>suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
 >>looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
 >>discovery portion.

 >>Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
 >>come true.

 >>Cheers,
 >>Robert


 >Spielberg was contacted directly by Nico Maillard, but all Nico
 >got for his trouble was an ear full of cursing.  Spielberg has
 >refused interview requests repeatedly, and my meeting with him
 >was abruptly cancelled the day before I was to fly to Germany.

 >As I understand it, the suit was settled out of court.

 >Bob

 Gees, what a cop-out.

KRandle






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From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:09:09 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:53:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


> >  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:18:25 +0000
> >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >  > From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
> >  > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:23:07 EST
> >  > To: updates@globalserve.net
> >  > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >  > >  Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:38:34 +0000
> >  > >  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> >  > >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  > >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> >  > >  Dear Robert, my opinion as the authenticity or not of this film
> >  > >  has changed several times. Atv the moment I am undecided one way
> >  > >  or the other.

> >  > >  Proof to me could come in many forms. If the film could be
> >  > >  accurately dated and was shown to be of a recent make. If one of
> >  > >  the items in the film was not around in l947, say a wrist watch
> >  > >  (there are none in the film)>  that was post l980, for example.
> >  > >  Or if Ray Santilli or someone else (I doubt if it would be Ray)
> >  > >  would come forward and show us all how they hoaxed it. These are
> >  > >  just a few of the many things that would work for me. What about
> >  > >  you ?

> >  > >  Philip.

> <brevity snip>

> >  > In the final examination it seems like everybody is sitting
> >  > around waiting for Ray to do something and Ray isn't doing
> >  > anything nor is he showing any signs that he plans to do anything
> >  > all his tales and stories aside.

> >  > Cheers,
> >  > Robert

> >  Dear Robert,

> >  I'm not sitting around waiti8ng for Ray or anyone else for that
> >  matter.
> >  There are others involved with the ownership of the film other
> >  than Ray santilli, Volker Spielberg in Germany to name but one. I
> >  honestly believe that if Ray Santilli was in sole
> >  possession/ownership of the film, then things would have turned
> >  out quite differently.

> Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
> Ray involved in the loop?

> Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
> suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
> looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
> discovery portion.

> Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
> come true.

> Cheers,
> Robert

Dear Robert,

I have tried on several occasions to contact Spielberg but I do
not have an address or phone number for him. As for Ray and his
legal arguments that has nothing to do with me and I am not
interested in it.

All the best,

Philip.

PS.

If anyone has a contact address/phone number for Volker Spielberg
I would appreciate it if they passed it on to me.










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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:33:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:42:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Photographic Analysis Needed
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:31:35 EST

>Hello the list, and to Philip Mantle...

>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:58:35 +0000
>>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: UFO PHOTOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS

>>Dear collaeagues,

>>I have recently come into possession of a daylight-disc
>>photograph from Hungary. The written details accompanying it are
>>some scant, but it is interesting if nothing else.

>>What I would like to know is who do you recommend as the most
>>reliable person/lab to offer unbiased analysis of this
>>photograph. I would like to submit it to someone but as I have
>>not dealt with such a photo-case for a year or two I'm not sure
>>who best to contact.

>>If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it if you could
>>let me know.

>>Yours Sincerely,

>>Philip Mantle.

Hi again Philip,

You may want to try either Jeff Sainio (MUFON) or Bruce Maccabe!
Both among the very best (thorough) and most experienced men
available.

Peace, (or until you need something else! <VBG>)

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                      Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:39:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

> From: ParadigmRG <ParadigmRG@aol.com> [Stephen Bassett]
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:53:54 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of State for Arizona


> While many may not agree with the full range of Ms. Barwood's
> views, many will recognize the overarching and transcendent
> implications of her willingness to take on the UFO enigma and
> lack of proper government response as a viable candidate for high
> office.

Barwood is clearly right-wing, to judge from the way she links
states' rights to constitutional rights, in remarks reprinted
here more than once earlier.

What bothers me is that there's a link between the right wing and
UFOs. For instance:

-- William Cooper, that dear man, has been both a UFO nut and a
militia nut. He reprinted a classic anti-semitic forgery, the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, in his book "Behold A Pale
Horse." Ten years ago, I heard him give a speech at Hollywood
High School in Los Angeles. He said the aliens were responsible
for gun control. (Ovation from the crowd. "I think I'm in the
wrong place," I muttered.)

-- Joe and Pat, who run the Little Al'e'inn in Rachel, NV, are
right-wing crazies. Especially Joe. He poured himself a beer or
three when I visited his place, and let me know at great length
that we've been living under a military dictatorship since 1933.
He found proof of that by closely scrutinizing a dollar bill.

-- As I was driving around Nevada and Arizona during that trip, I
listened to lots of right-wing radio, and found one show that
stresses UFOs. The government coverup of aliens (sorry, too tired
to write "alleged government coverup") got lumped in with the New
World Order and the general government coverup of everything else
the right-wing is sure is happening.

I've never heard of anything like this happening on the left,
though there certainly are UFO crazies in New Age circles. My
question:  is Barwood an honest conversative, Barry
Goldwater-style, who takes a personal interest in UFOs, or is she
an extreme rightist who fits UFOs into repellant conspiracy
theories? Does she blame the aliens for gun control?

Someone please reassure me.....

Greg Sandow









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                             Ancient Astronauts

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:05:07 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:55:08 -0500
Subject: Ancient Astronauts

Dear colleagues,

For some reason my 'web search' is not working. I would therefore
like to ask if anyone can recommend web sites dealing with the
subject of ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS.

All the best,

Philip.










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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:30:13 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:41:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:47:40 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>  >From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>  >Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
>  >To: updates@globalserve.net
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  >Have you even tried to contact Spielberg directly without having
>  >Ray involved in the loop?

>  >Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
>  >suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
>  >looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
>  >discovery portion.

>  >Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
>  >come true.

>  >Cheers,
>  >Robert

>  Spielberg was contacted directly by Nico Maillard, but all Nico
>  got for his trouble was an ear full of cursing.  Spielberg has
>  refused interview requests repeatedly, and my meeting with him
>  was abruptly cancelled the day before I was to fly to Germany.

>  As I understand it, the suit was settled out of court.

>  Bob

What we seem to have thus far in the film investigation is
Santilli's endless tales/stories/promises -- that haven't
occured.

The next link is the alleged camerman of which nobody knows if he
in fact is real, in fact living or dead, because that information
is filtered through Ray. Needless to say Ray hasn't been the
pillar of truth and honesty about various film information.

So then when truth seekers try to get ahold of the alleged
*owner* of the film  for further  information he provides nothing
and discourages phone calls, visits... essentially any means of
contacting him.  I say alleged because as I recall all we have is
Santilli's  word that there is some kind of arrangement between
the  two of them.

So what it boils down to is Santilli can make endless promises
and tell all the stories he wants.  If anybody calls him on it
then he can blame Spielberg for why the tale/story/promise is not
fulfilled.  When the folks try and contact Spielberg thats a dead
end, so its back to Santilli. What a vicious cycle.  It could be
called the autopsy film circle of  investigative death.

I see why folks are looking at  the actual content of the film
for clues.

You mentioned that the suit was settled out of court. Do we know
where the initial suit was filed and the case number? The initial
pleadings could be interesting reading.

Cheers,
Robert








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                              Re: The 'Debris'

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:11:11 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:17:36 -0500
Subject: Re: The 'Debris'

> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:28:33 -0500
> From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: The 'Debris' [was: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
]
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> As we know, when Dr Jesse Marcel remembered seeing metallic
> 'I-beams' with embossed 'hieroglyphics', this became a foundation
> for claims that the Roswell case concerned the crash of an ET
> craft.

> I am again amused by the emphasis on whether or not symbols on
> the I beams were marks on tape, or marks transferred to wood
> beams from the tape, etc.

> Generally overlooked is the fact that the "beams" in a radar
> target assembly did not look like an I-beam.  They were
> rectangular.  Has anyone talked about balsa wood beams in radar
> targets that actually have the form of I-beams (with top and
> bottom horizontal segments, unlike the stupid capitol I printed
> here) ?  I suspect that the term "I-beam" never would have been
> brought up if the actual beams (or whatever they were) actually
> were square or rectangular in cross-section.

Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., who was pretty young at the time, appears
to be the only eyewitness who remembers them as I-beams.  Most
witnesses simply described them as "sticks", which is certainly
not the first word I would come up with if something had an I or
H cross-section.

Bessie Brazel Schreiber said they were "like kite sticks".
Loretta Proctor described the one she saw as like a "dowel
stick".
Jesse Marcel Sr. described them as "rectangular members, just
like you get a square stick" (quoted in Karl Pflock's book
"Roswell in Perspective").

Possibly "I-beam" came to be used simply for lack of a better
term, as a convenient shorthand to describe a support strut or
structural member, just as one might say "a glass of water" even
if it came in a plastic container having no glass whatsover.
First Lt. Robert Shirkey, who saw the debris being loaded onto a
plane, is clearly following someone else's lead when he says that
he saw "what was described by another witness [Dr. Marcel?] as an
I-beam and markings".

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                             Re: Charles Schmid?

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:42:00 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:28:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Charles Schmid?

> From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:08:50 EST
> To: pulsar@compuserve.com, updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Charles Schmid?


> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
> >From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> JAMES -- Quoting from your recent post on UpDates:

> >Another witness to the debris, Charles Schmid, described "some
> >material that looked like wood" and which "had some writing that
> >looked like flowers on just one side". He added, "it had pink
> >petals, centred like a flower".

> Who's Schmid?  He's a new one on me.  What's your source on him?

He's interviewed on one of the video tapes, 'UFOs: A Need to
Know', claiming to have examined some pieces at the Roswell
debris field. It sounded to me like he was simply repeating what
he had read or heard from others to make it seem like he was
there.  An example:

"...there was pieces of material that looked like aluminum, real
light stuff, but strong.  It was about 16 inches by 2 1/2 inches,
and maybe a quarter inch thick.  You couldn't bend it or twist it
or do anything with it.  Even by putting it up against a rock and
jumping up and down, you could not bend it."

-George Fergus



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                      Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

From: "Michael Fouss=E9" <fousse@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:01:57 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:19:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

>From: ufo1@juno.com [Jack Sargeant]
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Photographic Analysis Needed
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:31:35 EST


>Philip, having no experience at this, other than a past
>interest in photography and photo-processing, I would
>first make good copies of the original (If you are not in
>possession of the original, then forget it), then send a
>copy to some of the skeptic groups. You need a biased point
>of view as well as unbiased. Besides, it will be good for
>you to know just how biased certain groups are.

>Regards,

>Jack


Hello the list and Philip,

Philip,

If you have access to the original negative(s) for this sightings
I would be interested in having the companies that have offered
assistance with our 1952 investigation into the Washington D.C
sightings review them.  The companies that have offered
assistance are state-of-the-art television/media groups that
specialize in special effects for movies and television.  They
are not interested in getting publicity for themselves, so I
believe their analysis will be un-biased, and they certainly have
the resources to conduct the photo analysis.

Michael Fouss=E9
ISUR
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                         Re: 'UFO Crash' In Ukraine?

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:12:10 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:23:00 -0500
Subject: Re: 'UFO Crash' In Ukraine?

Found at:

http://www.schon-design.demon.co.uk/ufo/

Thanks to

andy@schon-design.demon.co.uk

(AL) for the tip.


Stig

*******


A Watch The Skies Newsflash!

This is amazing

According to a Ukrainian newspaper, (dated yesterday, 18th Jan),
a "large unknown object" has crashed in a forested hill-side
outside the small village of Vechne, about 100 miles from the
city of Kharkov; the crash-site was spotted at first light on
Sunday morning by a potato farmer who was bewildered by the large
flattened area left by the crash; he could see it over a mile
away on the side of a hill; he alerted the local priest, and went
out to investigate, within close proximity of the crash, he said
he became fearful and returned back to the village.

Kiev Air Traffic Control have insisted they haven't lost any
aircraft, neither have they received any distress signals. The
locals in the remote village are too frightened to go near the
site, and since there's been no report of a civilian or military
air crash, no emergency services have been called out.


---


Tranlation by Tanja Engl


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               ACC's First Phase Announcement Of Its Findings

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:57:48 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:26:41 -0500
Subject: ACC's First Phase Announcement Of Its Findings

American Computer Company has just released a new item on its
main Roswell page

http://www.American-Computer.com/roswell.htm

*******

ACC STARTS FIRST PHASE ANNOUNCEMENT OF ITS FINDINGS!! TRANSCAP
may be proof that Aliens visited us in 1947, skirmished with the
Army in the New Mexico Desert, leaving a lander and some crash
debris behind, and used "thinking machines" and "mind controls"
to guide their space craft... Conclusive proof lies in the date
of documents presently held by the Department of the Army E2
Command...(originally posted 1/19/1998)

*******

Go to

http://www.American-Computer.com/alienstory.htm


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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@torino.ALPcom.it>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:41:37 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:01:25 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

Hello Bob!


>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:47:40 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>>Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
>>suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
>>looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
>>discovery portion.

>>Or was this some more of Rays tales and stories that don't quite
>>come true.

>As I understand it, the suit was settled out of court.

As far as us Italian were concerned (and we were the first ones
to disseminate autopsy stills free to the press, allegedly
violating Santilli's copyright), nothing happened: a lot of
menaces against us, but nothing more.

The same is true for our Spanish colleagues who did the same.

Maybe you were referring to the USA only, weren't you?


Edoardo Russo                             Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici
CISU, Casella postale 82, 10100 Torino - tel 011-3290279 - fax 011-545033
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                  Post-human evolution and Little Gray Men

From: "M@C TONNIES" <0212104@ACAD.NWMISSOURI.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:19:53 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:36:07 -0500
Subject: Post-human evolution and Little Gray Men

Have you ever noticed how decidedly posthuman the standard
"little gray alien" is?  It's almost as if there's a Jungian
fascination with the human physique after being stripped of
muscle, expression, ethnicity.  The large black eyes almost
correspond to some sort of virtual reality interface (some
"abductees" even claim they're removable).

Whitley Strieber's described watching frail, alien-looking bodies
"stacked like cordwood" stirring to life and beings walking in
lockstep as if operated by a single mind.  If what he saw was
real in some sense, the "aliens" might be uploading/downloading
themselves.  And the UFO literature is full of descriptions of
alien technology that appear to describe "utility fog" and
various nanotech applications (walking through walls, levitation,
etc.)

Many of the descriptions of flying saucer interiors could be
straight out of K. Eric Drexler's "Engines of Creation":
everything's seamless, rounded, without visible moving parts.

It's ink-blot, starry speculation, but the parallels between
alleged "aliens" and transhuman technologies seem more than
coincidental.  I'd argue that "aliens" have never manifested in a
"technologically impossible" manner.  I can see many of their
abilities at least hinted at in the transhumanist literature
available at www.extropy.com and other places.  I've compiled a
list at www.nwmissouri.edu/~0212104/trans.html.


From a folkloric perspective, at least, it's pretty fascinating.

Mac Tonnies  *  #409 Franken Hall, NWMSU  *  Maryville, MO 64468
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             DISPATCH # 79 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

From: ParaScope <ParaScope@AOL.COM>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:37:25 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:47:45 -0500
Subject: DISPATCH # 79 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

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 �Many of you are aware of reincarnation. A person lives on earth and develops
 his thought forcefully, which means negatively, hence he disturbs harmony in
 his organism going against nature on earth, convincing himself that life is
 only what one sees and hears, but not feels. The law of UFOLOGY states that
 human consciessness is not killed unconscieously. That causes him to fall into
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 Awakaning occurs only when the unconsciousness falls asleep and wakes the
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 it is hard for ufologists to deal with the past of Moses, who saved his people
 from corruption and devastation. People made up fables where Moses appeared to
 be the means of profit gain used by pharaohs.�

 �I A
E  ETHEREAL WORLD, PARTICULARLY DREAMS: DO
 NOT TRY TO CONCEIVE WITH THOUGHT WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND! DO NOT TEACH
 OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW! DO NOT PERCEIVE THOUGHT AS MEANS TO MATERIAL
 GAIN!�

 �It could cost you your life that you are obtaining through my teachings.
 However, if you do not obey it will be too late. Before you die in the
 Universe your inner feelings (inner bodies) will be subjected to devastating
 torment in the course of their destruction, because pain is a feeling, and any
 kind of pain will result in Physical Pain. If a person has no internal pain,
 he wouldn't develop any physical pain.�

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 Stalin's Propaganda State: The Commissar Vanishes

 Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ruled the Russian people with an iron hand, and
 exercised the same totalitarian control over the printed word and picture. As
 his victims disappeared to work camps or to the grave, they were also rubbed
 out of history -- literally. In the new book �The Commissar Vanishes: The
 Falsification of Photographs and Art in Stalin's Russia,� propaganda collector
 David King puts this disturbing process of historical cleansing on display.
 Dossier reviews the startling collection of materials, which show how even top
 Soviet officials and former friends of Stalin were blurred, painted and
 cropped out of the national memory.

 ---------------------

 Bruce Maccabee on the "Mexican UFO Video"

 By now you've all probably seen the "Mexican UFO Video" footage showing a
 wobbly rotating saucer drifting through the sky over downtown Mexico City.
 This video has been a topic of constant debate since it initially aired, with
 some holding it up as evidence of extraterrestrial visitors, and others
 asserting that the video is simply a hoax. In this piece, film analysis expert
 Bruce Maccabee gives his initial comments on the Mexican UFO Video, using
 analytical techniques and hard visual evidence to conclude that if this film
 is a fake, it's a VERY clever fake.

 ---------------------

 Psychic Predictions 1997:
 What They Don't Want Enquiring Minds to Know

 They said scientists would capture a live, English-speaking Yeti. They said
 Barbra Streisand would convince Rush Limbaugh to become a liberal Democrat.
 They said Kathie Lee Gifford would be abducted by aliens and then abandoned in
 the Colorado wilderness. But they were wrong. Horribly wrong. (At least about
 everything but the Kathie Lee thing.) Although they are always good for a
 laugh, the predictions of tabloid newspaper psychics are not known fo
ar of bizarre predictions that
 (surprise, surprise) didn't come true.

 ---------------------

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 kidding, of course -- if we really believed that, we wouldn't bring you daily
 updates on everything conspiratorial via Conspiracy Newsline. Get the latest
 news in the rapidly-developing Ron Brown case, find out why the Treasury
 Department is investigation the suspiciously political IRS audit of Paula
 Jones, and lots more.

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 Chupacabras Strikes Again!

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 Siracusa in Sicily; lots more news.

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 CIA Pen Pals from "The Fringe and Further Out"

 In 1965, the Central Intelligence Agency prepared a secret history of its
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 Human imagination consists of infinite space, and many universes may exist in
 a single cranium. Nowhere is this more aptly demonstrated than in the case of
 "Kirk Allen," a physicist at a sensitive government research installation who
 became convinced that he was an extraterrestrial. Allen was sent to
 psychoanalyst Dr. Robert Lindner for treatment, which ultimately succeeded in
 returning Allen to his undeniably terrestrial roots -- but by
chnology had completely ensnared Dr. Lindner! In this
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 vast capacity of human imagination -- and human delusion.

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                      Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:45:25 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:38:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

>  From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>  To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of
> State for Arizona
>  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0500

>  > From: ParadigmRG <ParadigmRG@aol.com> [Stephen Bassett]
>  > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:53:54 EST
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > Subject: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign for Secretary of State for Arizona


>  > While many may not agree with the full range of Ms. Barwood's
>  > views, many will recognize the overarching and transcendent
>  > implications of her willingness to take on the UFO enigma and
>  > lack of proper government response as a viable candidate for high
>  > office.

>  Barwood is clearly right-wing, to judge from the way she links
>  states' rights to constitutional rights, in remarks reprinted
>  here more than once earlier.

>  What bothers me is that there's a link between the right wing and
>  UFOs. For instance:

>  -- William Cooper, that dear man, has been both a UFO nut and a
>  militia nut. He reprinted a classic anti-semitic forgery, the
>  Protocols of the Elders of Zion, in his book "Behold A Pale
>  Horse." Ten years ago, I heard him give a speech at Hollywood
>  High School in Los Angeles. He said the aliens were responsible
>  for gun control. (Ovation from the crowd. "I think I'm in the
>  wrong place," I muttered.)

>  -- Joe and Pat, who run the Little Al'e'inn in Rachel, NV, are
>  right-wing crazies. Especially Joe. He poured himself a beer or
>  three when I visited his place, and let me know at great length
>  that we've been living under a military dictatorship since 1933.
>  He found proof of that by closely scrutinizing a dollar bill.

>  -- As I was driving around Nevada and Arizona during that trip, I
>  listened to lots of right-wing radio, and found one show that
>  stresses UFOs. The government coverup of aliens (sorry, too tired
>  to write "alleged government coverup") got lumped in with the New
>  World Order and the general government coverup of everything else
>  the right-wing is sure is happening.

>  I've never heard of anything like this happening on the left,
>  though there certainly are UFO crazies in New Age circles. My
>  question:  is Barwood an honest conversative, Barry
>  Goldwater-style, who takes a personal interest in UFOs, or is she
>  an extreme rightist who fits UFOs into repellant conspiracy
>  theories? Does she blame the aliens for gun control?

>  Someone please reassure me.....

>  Greg Sandow

Greg,

Be reassured.  Frances Emma Barwood is a citizen public servant
who rarely leaves her community and focused on many community
projects during her tenure on the Phoenix ctiy council.   She is
not right wing.  She has broad appeal and is even well supported
by the unions.

She had no background in UFO issues prior to the March 13 Phoenix
lights and has been trying to educate herself as to these
matters.  Her position is crafted around the inappropriate
posture the government takes in these matters - both towards the
states and the public.

She is the mother of three.  She keeps her husband's books who
makes a living in alternative energy production.

She is a nice person who acts on principal, has little interest
in monetary gain from public service, is afraid of nothing save
flying and will not back down from what she thinks is right.

From the left or the right, we could use a lot more just like her
in office at all levels.

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                      Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:50:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:54:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:17:37 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Photographic Analysis Needed

>> Dear Rebecca,

>Yes I am indeed still part of MUFON and BUFORA. I've sent a
>message to MUFON to see who their photo analysts is. I know Jeff
>Sainio looks at video's but I'm not sure about still photo's.

>As for BUFORA they do have somone, but he works at a University
>full time and getting analysis of this sort done can be a lengthy
>project as it does it in his spare time.

>Like I said, it's a while since I was involved with such a
>photo-case so I'm basically checking who is still available just
>in case things have changed.

>Philip.


Philip,

I have seen the work of a number of "photo analysts" in the UFO
field.  Generally speaking, I have not been impressed.  I will
say right off that I am not including Jeff Sainio in this lot.

The person who has impressed me the most in dealing with still
photos is Bruce Maccabee.  Bruce knows his business and is
thorough.  Ted Phillips has also impressed me with his genuine
photographic knowledge, but I don't know if he is still doing
anything.

Unfortunately, in today's world, a still photograph is very
unlikely to prove anything one way or the other.  Photo fakery
is just too easy today.

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:50:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:53:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:41:37 +0100
>From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@torino.ALPcom.it>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, updates@globalserve.net

>Hello Bob!

>As far as us Italian were concerned (and we were the first ones
>to disseminate autopsy stills free to the press, allegedly
>violating Santilli's copyright), nothing happened: a lot of
>menaces against us, but nothing more.

>The same is true for our Spanish colleagues who did the same.

>Maybe you were referring to the USA only, weren't you?


Hi Edoardo,

Yes, I was speaking only of the USA.  And I have only second and
third hand information about the lawsuit.

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:50:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:09:22 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:30:13 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>>  Bob

>What we seem to have thus far in the film investigation is
>Santilli's endless tales/stories/promises -- that haven't
>occured.

>The next link is the alleged camerman of which nobody knows if he
>in fact is real, in fact living or dead, because that information
>is filtered through Ray. Needless to say Ray hasn't been the
>pillar of truth and honesty about various film information.

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation, up to this
point.

>So then when truth seekers try to get ahold of the alleged
>*owner* of the film  for further  information he provides nothing
>and discourages phone calls, visits... essentially any means of
>contacting him.  I say alleged because as I recall all we have is
>Santilli's  word that there is some kind of arrangement between
>the  two of them.

Actually, Spielberg told Maillard that the film was his, and that
he could do whatever the *%^&$# he wanted with it.  I have a
recording of his rant.  I've been told by others in Ray's office
that Spielberg is a partner in the venture and put up most of the
money for the film purchase.  The rest came from Walter.

>So what it boils down to is Santilli can make endless promises
>and tell all the stories he wants.  If anybody calls him on it
>then he can blame Spielberg for why the tale/story/promise is not
>fulfilled.  When the folks try and contact Spielberg thats a dead
>end, so its back to Santilli. What a vicious cycle.  It could be
>called the autopsy film circle of  investigative death.

>I see why folks are looking at  the actual content of the film
>for clues.

Yeah, that's all we got.

>You mentioned that the suit was settled out of court. Do we know
>where the initial suit was filed and the case number? The initial
>pleadings could be interesting reading.

The suit was filed by the USA video distribution company
(Trimark??) against Chuck Harder's company.  Santilli was not
directly involved. I don't know the venue.  I know it never came
to trial.

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                           Re: Ancient Astronauts

From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:38:09 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:24:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Ancient Astronauts

Dear Philip, et al.,  (links to Ancient Astronauts)

>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:05:07 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS

>Dear colleagues,

>For some reason my 'web search' is not working. I would therefore
>like to ask if anyone can recommend web sites dealing with the
>subject of ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS.

>All the best,

>Philip.

Philip:

Using "HotBot" and "ancient astronauts"

www.south2nd.org/

www.home.kiss.de/~sandman/

aasworldwide@access.ch

(Last is e-mail address of the Ancient Astronaut Society)


******As an aside******

The Duke triggered a half-hearted research quest on my part some
months back---I was going to throw him a zinger....couldn't find
grist for the mill, though, and never really finished it---but I
came up with an interesting commentary from Hymn III of the Rig
Veda regarding beings designated as "Asvins" who/which were new
to me.  They were noted in the Hymn:


"Come ye whose paths are red with flame."

The commentary indicates there were two of these Asvins,
"Nasatyas" and "Dasra," who had "nimble hands" with which they
were "quick to seize the offerings" of the locals after,
apparently, coming on their red-flamed paths.

See Hymn III, at page 2, 'Sacred Writings, Hinduism, The Rig
Veda' Translated by Ralph T. Griffith, Edited by Jaroslav
Pelikan, Copyright by Motilal Banarsidass Publishers PVT.LTD.
(1992)

It seems that if you are of an analogous mind, you can winnow the
context of ancient writings for all kinds of interesting and
intertaining anecdotal "evidence" for visitors from the heavens.

What I found most intriquing, however, in the commentary to the
Asvins, was the fact that the ancient Indian commentators found
these guys to be very puzzling in the context in which they, the
commentators, found them.  The ancient commentators:

"Next in order are the deities whose sphere
is the heaven; of these the Asvins are the
first to arrive....Who then are these Asvins?
(And follows a list of speculations,
which includes: " 'Two Kings, performers
of holy acts,' say the legendary writers."
Professor Roth comments:..."They
are the earliest bringers of light in the
morning sky, who in their chariots hasten
onward before the dawn, and prepare
a way for her."  Commentary at page 2, supra.

Anyhow, I became interested in The Rig Veda itself, and lost
interest with winnowing the context, since that aspect of viewing
ancient writings is well-covered by numerous authors.

Best

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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:50:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:10:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@AOL.COM> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:41:58 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

> Gees, what a cop-out.

>KRandle


Kevin,

What's your problem, man?  Since when is a straight answer to a
question a cop-out????

If you are talking about the lawsuit, I do not have any personal
knowledge of exactly what happened and have heard several
different versions, but all of them have the same conclusion that
the case was settled out of court.

If you have real information, why not impart it to the list
instead of insulting me???!!!

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                   Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:00:39 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:32:19 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:09:09 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign


>  > From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
>  > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:58 EST
>  > To: updates@globalserve.net
>  > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Alien Autopsy' film 'Danger' sign

<snip>

>  > Whatever happened to all of Rays blabbering about having filed
>  > suit against the people who were using the film illegally? I was
>  > looking forward to the suit to see what popped out during the
>  > discovery portion.

<snip>

>  Dear Robert,

>  I have tried on several occasions to contact Spielberg but I do
>  not have an address or phone number for him. As for Ray and his
>  legal arguments that has nothing to do with me and I am not
>  interested in it.

Dear Phillip,

IF in fact the suit was filed the court file which would contain
a copy of the initial suit filings, the response, plus motions
and any other filings that might have occured before the suit was
allegedly settled. In these papers, you might be able to glean
some *interesting morsels* of information about the film.

If the claim of a lawsuit came from Santilli and was not
verified, there is a good chance that its a pile of something the
bull left.

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                Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:45:12 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:23:16 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/17/98 1:52 PM:
>  Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:29:36 +1100
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Stuart & Toni Livesey <livesey@trump.net.au> [Stuart]
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book

>  >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>  >Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book
>  >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800

>  G'day Mark and List,

> I don't think that we should dismiss the TTH
>  lightly.

>  In defence of that statement let me ask a general question of the
>  list. Do we have any indication of advancements in alien
>  technology over the years since they began appearing on this
  planet?
>
>  What brings that to mind is the repetitive sightings of similar
>  craft over centuries. For example, cigar shaped craft have been
>  depicted in woodcuts from Germany crafted during the Dark
>  Age/Renaissance period and very similar craft are still appearing
>  today. Does that faintly support stagnant technology or time
>  travel? I don't know but it is worth pondering.

Hi Stuart!

This is, of course, a good point. But aircraft technlogy on
earth has also failed to evolve in a way that would be terribly
noticable to the below referenced stone age natives, since, say
the 1960s(?). Though the mix has changed, with helicopters
becoming a larger part of the mix.

Unfortunately, I think the statistical data on geometries which
some consider to indicate an upswing in triangular shapes is not
in good enough condition to come to that conclusion, but it is
certainly possible that the triangular / boomerang shape is
becoming more prevalent, which would indicate a possible
shift in technology or in the mix of civilizations generating them
(if, indeed, the UFO source is ET).

It's certainly possible that the external geometry of UFOs isn't
amenable to change because of the form follows function so
tightly that gross geometric changes won't happen and small
changes are swamped by perceptual differences in witnesses,
the strangeness of the event, the variations in luminosity, etc.

The problem is that the stagnancy of UFO geometries is not,
as far as I can see, a sufficient factor to distinguish TTH as
the UFO cause from ETH.

>  <snip>

>  >The obvious suggestion is that
>  >UFOs are from another world somewhere in space.

>  Mark, this may be an obvious suggestion but we should not allow
>  it to blind ourselves to other possibilities. Put yourself in the
>  shoes (or bare feet :> )of a villager in the wilds of the Amazon,
>  or New Guinea or somewhere similar that has only had minimal
>  contact with more advanced human cultures. Their contact may be
>  with people who fly in, spend a few days interacting with the
>  village and then fly out again, the visitors come from the sky,
>  possess incredible technology and return to the sky and in that
>  context how would the villagers view these outsiders? Now we know
>  where they come from but to the villagers it may well appear as
>  ET's do to us. In fact the analogy of the villagers is probably
>  quite applicable to us when our, despite what Corso claims, our
>  technology is so almost stone age in comparison to that of the
>  ET's.

I guess I don't see the conflict between your comments above and
mine.

Actually, I tend to lean (but not too heavily) in the direction of the
picture you paint (which I think I also put forward a while back) as
to what's going on, as opposed to the massive scientific
research sub-hypothesis, the cosmic prank sub-hypothesis, or
the interstellar conquest sub-hypothesis.

(I call it the tourist / anthropologist sub-hypothesis).

>  Now don't get me wrong, I like to think that I'm not "off with
>  the fairies" when considering UFOs/Aliens but the more I look at
>  this phenomena the more I am beginning to feel that the things on
>  which we base our investigations of UFOs/Aliens is probably like
>  looking at the world through welders goggles. Our view is
>  hindered by our preconcieved ideas of what was, what is and what
>  should be.

Here's how I keep my perspective. I have a fish that lives in a tank
in my living room. He's obviously attentive and, for a fish, pretty
intelligent. But what does he make of my vacuuming the floor, or
the strange way the sun goes out and then multiple suns appear
(lights in the room)? Or how could he comprehend the optical
physics that makes it seem that I am in two places at once
(refracted or reflected by the tank walls).

I am very respectful of the possibility that in looking at the UFO
phenomenon, I may be the fish.

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From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:00:08 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:34:26 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/19/98 8:46 AM:
>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:20:22 -0500 (EST)

>  On the other hand, it seems to me that what has changed in that
>  time is our own concept of the fantastic.  I personally believe
>  that something is happening which we do not understand, but I
>  have some serious problems accepting the "nuts-and-bolts" view of
>  UFOs, given that the character of those UFOs seems to change
>  along with science fiction tastes (although, to be honest, I
>  suppose one could question the causality).  If one is going to
>  presume a milion-year-old civilization, their science would
>  (according to Clarke) probably seem magickal to us, and it would
>  seem to me just as reasonable to assume they exist in a form we
>  cannot comprehend and that our contact experiences are what
>  happens when an intelligence beyond our understanding is
>  expressed through the limitations of our brains.

So while most of the list seems to think that UFO geometries
remain largely unchanged for at least 50 years, you believe that
they follow science-fiction fashion.

What exactly leads you to that conclusion? Can you point to such
a pattern in Magonia or the Project 1947 EM Effects catalog?

How do you cope with the presence of boomerang formations in the
1800s, disks in the early 1900s, triangles in the 1940s?

Why do most movie UFOs look nothing like reported UFOs? Why do
most 1940s and 50s spacecraft look like cones and finned tubes
and we have few or no reports of geometries that look anything
like that?

>  If anyone is aware of evidence which substantiates the existence
>  of actual alien spacecraft (as opposed to simply unknown luminous
>  phenomena) please tell me; I'm certainly open to changing my
>  view.

Metal/solid surfaces - verified by touch, radar, bullets and
rocks thrown.
EM effects
Heavy weight ground traces and ground burn traces
Radiation output verified by geiger counter

These all indicate an objectively existent, solid, possibly
technological phenomenon. Alien spacecraft? Maybe.

>  Assuming no real progress is made, and that we continue to view
>  UFOs as mythological phenomena, I wonder how they will appear,
>  say, 100 years from now, or 200.

You must be the "we".

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                                Dilbert again

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:50:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:40:34 -0500
Subject: Dilbert again

Scott Adams, Dilbert's creator, is definitely on an anti-skeptic
tear. In the latest strips, Dilbert's pet rat, Ratbert, turns out
to be psychic. Dilbert can't stand this, and brings in a debunker
to prove it's not true.

Today, the dialogue went like this:

Debunker: I've used the scientific method to debunk 100% of the
people who claim they have mental powers.

Ratbert: Are you saying that every test you perform turns out the
way you predict it will?

Debunker: What's your point?

Ratbert (shouting): YOU'VE PROVEN THAT YOU'RE PSYCHIC!!


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                        Re: June '97 Scotish Sighting

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:29:00 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:21:54 -0500
Subject: Re: June '97 Scotish Sighting


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/16/98 10:46 PM:
>  Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:12:19 +0000
>  From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: [Fwd: Scotland Sighting (June 97)]

>  --

>  Hi Group,

>  Here are a couple of interesting sightings from last year,that took
>  place here in Scotland.I thought I would forward these to the list
>  members as they are slightly unusual in nature.
>  May the coming year be a fruitful one and good luck and good health to
>  you all............................Dave Ledger.

Dave -

As custodian of the Project 1947 EM Effects catalog, I'd
appreciate any additional information you can provide on the
"light bulb" problems.

Thanks in advance.

------
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http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
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Author of SF novels available at...
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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:48:33 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:26:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/17/98 2:07 PM:
>  From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
>  Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:17:34 -0800

>  Have you read about the secret military "flying wing" called the
>  "Blimp?"  Art Bell's first UFO sighting, that forever changed the
>  character of his show, answers to this description. He says the
>  craft was definitely "floating" through the air.

>  According to the Federation of American Scientists
>  (http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/blimp.htm):

>  ********************

>  "A very intriguing aircraft was been reported in the late 1980s.
>  Some observers claim to have witnessed a vast black flying wing,
>  estimated at between 600 and 800 feet in width, passing silently
>  over city streets in California. The craft moved so slowly one
>  observer claimed that he could jog along with it. The aircraft
>  reportedly executed bizarre maneuvers in which it stopped,
>  rotated in place and hovered vertically, pointing its thin
>  trailing edge toward the ground.  This vehicle's unlikely
>  gyrations suggest that it is distinct from the other sightings,
>  and could be a lighter-than-air craft pushed by slow- turning
>  propellers."

I think a brief moment of thought will suggest what happens to
this "vehicle" in any kind of wind.

Flip, turn, roll, catch wing on tree, crash...

Don't forget the Hudson Valley sightings had several under very
windy conditions, including the Indian Head nuclear power plant.

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                  Audio recording made during an abduction

From: "Peterre" <pjb@staffs.softnet.co.uk> [Philip Bradley]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:20:33 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:45:39 -0500
Subject: Audio recording made during an abduction

A friend who is an abductee managed to obtain a short tape
recording during the night of one of his/her abductions. The
cassette recorder was hidden near the window in an adjacent
bedroom where the abductee's child was sleeping. It is not known
whether the recording was of sound picked up through the
microphone, or of a waveform induced in the circuits of the
recorder.

I would be happy to email to anyone interested the .wav file
(912KB). My friend would welcome your opinions of the sound,
posted to this list or privately (as appropriate).

He/she wishes to remain anonymous so I will relay email to/from
him/her.

My friend requests that the few other people who have heard the
file, and so will recognize it, do not pass on his/her identity
to anyone else.

Peterre
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                             '98 MUFON Symposium

From: "Michael Curta" <UFOMedic@net1comm.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:47:58 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:34:11 -0500
Subject: '98 MUFON Symposium

The 1998 Mutual UFO Network International Symposium will be held
in Denver, Colorado June 25-28 1998.  For more information and a
list of speaker and events please visit our site at
www.net1comm.com/~COMUFON1










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               Essay on interpretations of the UFO phenomenon

From: "M@C TONNIES" <0212104@ACAD.NWMISSOURI.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:27:21 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:06:22 -0500
Subject: Essay on interpretations of the UFO phenomenon

Dear UpDate members,

I just posted a new essay on my website.  I'd be grateful for any
corrections, comments, etc.

The post can be found at:

www.nwmissouri.edu/~0212104/essay5.html

Yours,


Mac Tonnies  *  #409 Franken Hall, NWMSU  *  Maryville, MO 64468
    (816) 562-6306  *  E-mail: 0212104@acad.nwmissouri.edu

                  M@C TONNIES VISUAL INDUSTRIES
     "Where Today's Abstractions are Tomorrow's Archetypes"
               www.nwmissouri.edu/~0212104/bio.html









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                         Official history transistor

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:44:40 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:09:13 -0500
Subject: Official history transistor

Hi all,


In the Economist of January 3 an excellent and well written
history of the transistor can be found. At least for me it connected
some loose threads.

P. 77, Science and technology section.



            __________________________________________
           /    Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes    \
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                      hvdp@worldonline.nl

                       Technology Pages
                http://home.worldonline.nl/~hvdp
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                             Re: Charles Schmid?

From: Ktperehwon <Ktperehwon@aol.com> [Karl Pflock]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:54:50 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:15:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Charles Schmid?

>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:35:25 -0500
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Charles Schmid?
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Are you suggesing that Marcel altered his testimony as a result
>the interviews with Moore and Friedman?  Like perhaps Bill or
>Stan "suggested" that perhaps it would be better to call the
?"structural members" I-beams?

Of course not, my friend.  Read what I wrote again:
"BTW, as I'm sure you know, the description of the 'members' as
'I-beams' comes only from Dr. Marcel, and this not until sometime
well after he was first interviewed by Moore/Friedman.  (This
fact - I should have typed, "these facts" - somehow always gets
(get) swept under the ufological rug in discussions of who saw
what when.) All other credible witnesses to the debris found on
the Foster Ranch, including Dr. Marcel's father (Schmid, too?),
describe the 'members' as being of square or rectangular cross
section, 3/8 of an inch or so, and balsa-like (or, flat out,
balsa) to boot."

My point is threefold:

(1)  In his earliest interviews and communciations with
ufologists, Dr. Marcel never once referred to what he recalled as
a metalic strut-like member on which he rememerbed seeing strange
markings as an I-beam, a strut having a capital 'I'
cross-section.  This first surfaced in his descriptions a couple
of years later, I'm quite sure as a result of his honest efforts
to recover details of decades-old memories, not as the result of
dishonesty or of undue influence by Moore and Friedman but, it
would seem, with the help of Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt (see
their UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL).

(2)  Not one of the other credible witnesses to the debris
recovered from the Foster Ranch site described the members or
beams as having an 'I' cross-section.  In fact, ALL those who did
discuss the cross-section of these fragments--including Dr.
Marcel's father--said it was rectangular or square. Similarly,
all such witnesses other than Dr. Marcel--including Dr. Marcel's
father--described the members as sticks looking and feeling like
balsa or simply as balsa, not metalic in any way.

(3)  Given the above, it is more than a little reasonable to
conclude Dr. Marcel's recollections are faulty in many important
respects.

Finally, lest anyone further misconstrue my views, I consider Dr.
Jesse Marcel to be both an honest man and one of the nicest guys
I've ever met.

-- Cheers, Karl Pflock (aka El Topo No)












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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:15 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:57:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:20:08 -0400
>Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:15:20 -0500
>Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

<snip>

> List:
> It has been my experience that if the good guys don't go on the
> bad guys will. The producers care about meeting deadlines and
> making money. Truth is not their thing. Lord knows ufology has
> plenty of bad guys...
> Stan Friedman

Stan,

I have just finished watching the UPN program. While I doubt that
you were talking about this goofy video (AT LEAST I HOPE NOT),
the producers of this program certainly made it appear that way
(to a more naive audience, for example) in the way ALL the
conversations were edited.

I can only hope that your intentions were good, but IMO, don't do
us anymore favors. This video was a complete joke and I think
your appearance on this program lessens your credibility.

Leave these shows for the "Alien Hunters" of the world.

Don't become one of ufology's bad guys.

Rebecca

PS. Someone from Minnesota tell me if one would find really green
grass in Lake County, Minnesota on November 27, 1997.








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                              Plan 9 From UPN!

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:54:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:04:59 -0500
Subject: Plan 9 From UPN!

Hello Errol, hi All,

The folks at UPN wanted me to review the abduction video and by
gum I'm gonna do it. But, I'm going to do it here with you guys,
away from cameras and those 'editors' that can make you sound
like a blithering idiot. I'll do it in a forum where I will not
be edited.

My "Review"

PLAN 9 FROM UPN!

Sci-fi movies have had a 'best' and a 'worst' candidate for
years.
You can fill in the name of whatever movie you consider to have
been the 'best.' That one varies, but I'm positive that we can
all agree that the very worst sci-fi movie ever made was, "Plan 9
From Outer Space!" <G>

Well ufology has a 'worst' now too! Our version of 'Plan 9' aired
last nite in the form of that purported video of an abduction.
First, let me say that my money is on the 'little girl' being the
alien that was wearing gloves, (they looked a little like Mickey
Mouse hands! <G>) at the end of the video, and that the little
girl was also one of the aliens at the "UFO!" Even money it's the
kid in the bug head and bodysuit! <G>

Why am I comparing that travesty of a video to "Plan 9 From Outer
Space?" Well, let's analyze!

Plan 9 was 'bad' because;

a. The acting was very baaaaaaaaaad, as wooden and contrived as
it gets. (So were the 'actors' in last nights little soap
opera!)

b. Plan 9 had the cheapest sets and 'special effects' that anyone
ever tried to pass off as 'realistic!' (Ditto the abduction
video. )

The 'home' seemed nice enough mind you, but I'm talking about the
"UFO" that had charred rockets on the bottom, and that computer
generated ball of light, -that the actors eyes didn't follow
around the room accurately because the incompetent schmuck that
directed it didn't use the traditional 'tennis ball on a stick'
to help guide the actors eye movements through the 'scene.' The
computer artist then substitutes the "ball of light" for the
tennis ball and Viola! you have a scene where a ball of light
enters a room and all eyes follow its movements acurately.

Not so in last nights farce. I've never even directed traffic,
but even I know enough from watching PBS to shoot a sequence like
that and make it look real. I hope the banana that directed that
crap we saw last night never works again! Geez, what a "hacker!"
<G>

c. It becomes obvious (quickly) that Plan 9 is a "turkey" as any
who have seen it will testify. (Ditto for last nights 'video.') I
didn't get past the 30 second mark before the alarm on my BS
Detector went off and damn near drowned out everything else that
followed. <G>

Enough said that it was a sorry joke and that they really
shouldn't have bothered. Now on to more serious business!

1. Jeanne Sutton! (The "abductee" that commented so knowingly
throughout that painful sham/scam of a program.) If you didn't
pick up on her love of the lens that was staring her in the face
then you missed the 'love story' part of the UPN presentation.

2. Stan, I love you man but you really should have passed on it!
They edited/chopped you to death. Some of the cuts were downright
amateurish and plainly made to make your comments -fit- the video
presentation.

3. And now the bottom line!

Wow, that was -one sweet piece- of debunking work! Think about
it. Anyone who watched that farce last night that hasn't been
lobotomized or doesn't break their Prozac tablets in half before
ingesting walked away from that thing thinking, " What a bunch of
phoney ridiculous crap!"

How effective! What better way to attach ridicule and increase
the incredulity in anyone unfamiliar with the phenomenon than to
present an absolutely ridiculous piece of crap like that as
somekind of 'evidence' for abduction! Whoever put this thing
together is not so stupid because (I think) if what I just
suggested is in fact true, then they have succeeded. In Spades!

Enough, I promise never to mention it again. I hope they catch up
with and prosecute whoever perpetrated and financed this blatant
hoax. It -is- criminal, and in more ways than one.

Just one mamaluks opinion!

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                Re: Audio recording made during an abduction

From: "Peterre" <pjb@staffs.softnet.co.uk> [[Philip Bradley]]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:53:15 +0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:25:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Audio recording made during an abduction

I posted yesterday offering to email to interested parties a .wav
file of a recording made during an abduction. To make make things
easier for all, the .wav file is now downloadable from the
RISKERS site. If you go to

http://www.riskers.org

then you will see a banner referring to this file. Please
download it from there rather than requesting that I email it.

Here again are the details that I originally provided.

A friend who is an abductee managed to obtain a short tape
recording during the night of one of his/her abductions. The
cassette recorder was hidden near the window in an adjacent
bedroom where the abductee's child was sleeping. It is not known
whether the recording was of sound picked up through the
microphone, or of a waveform induced in the circuits of the
recorder.

My friend would welcome your opinions of the sound, posted to
this list or privately (as appropriate).

He/she wishes to remain anonymous so I will relay email to/from
him/her.

My friend requests that the few other people who have heard the
file, and so will recognize it, do not pass on his/her identity
to anyone else.

Peterre
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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:56:48 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:17:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:48:33 -0800


> >  From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
> >  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
> >  Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:17:34 -0800

> >  Have you read about the secret military "flying wing" called the
> >  "Blimp?"  Art Bell's first UFO sighting, that forever changed the

> >  character of his show, answers to this description. He says the
> >  craft was definitely "floating" through the air.
>
> >  According to the Federation of American Scientists
> >  (http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/blimp.htm):

> >  ********************

> >  "A very intriguing aircraft was been reported in the late 1980s.
> >  Some observers claim to have witnessed a vast black flying wing,
> >  estimated at between 600 and 800 feet in width, passing silently
> >  over city streets in California. The craft moved so slowly one
> >  observer claimed that he could jog along with it. The aircraft
> >  reportedly executed bizarre maneuvers in which it stopped,
> >  rotated in place and hovered vertically, pointing its thin
> >  trailing edge toward the ground.  This vehicle's unlikely
> >  gyrations suggest that it is distinct from the other sightings,
> >  and could be a lighter-than-air craft pushed by slow- turning
> >  propellers."

> I think a brief moment of thought will suggest what happens to
> this "vehicle" in any kind of wind.

> Flip, turn, roll, catch wing on tree, crash...

> Don't forget the Hudson Valley sightings had several under very
> windy conditions, including the Indian Head nuclear power plant.

Hi Mark,

Are you talking lighter-than-air, or ultralight as well?

It won't take much for me to fold on this issue because I have no
engineering aptitude at all, and I know zilch about aviation.  Is
that generally true of gliders, that they can't handle any kind
of wind?  It surprises me a little, because I've seen HANG
gliders do okay in strong winds.  And it seems like the huge size
of these things might afford some stability, not to mention all
manner of advanced stabilization systems they might have
developed.

The other thing is that the Board of Sponsors of the Federation
of American Scientists includes half the country's living Nobel
laureates, so I wouldn't think they'd put this forward if it
didn't make at least a modicum of sense.  You're probably much
more knowledgeable than I about this, so tell me what you think.

Kind regards,

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:35:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
program. Any thoughts?


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                       UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:13:22 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:39:42 -0500
Subject: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

If anyone has details regarding this production, they would be of
interest.

IMHO, this program was poorly acted and of questionable
entertainment value.

I'm curious as to whether any of our readers to the north had
heard of this case previously, or if they recognized any of the
actors in the program. The show, for all of its glory, provided
few real details of the case.

Jeesh.  I feel like I'm trapped in a rehersal for "Sweeps Week"!

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                            Light over Australia

From: "S.Burrows" <S.Burrows@uq.net.au> [Steve Burrows]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:20:05 +1000
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:01:00 -0500
Subject: Light over Australia

Today, at 1010hrs UTC, over Brisbane, Queensland, Australia,
myself and two children watched a fast moving single white light
travel from directly overhead to 45 degrees to the East and was
then masked by low cloud.

There was no sound and no other lights visible. Many stars was
clearly visable before the low cloud cover swept in from the
south.

The arc of observence was 45 degrees and the time the object was
in view was no more than 30 seconds.

Brisbane, Australia lies at 27 degrees South, 153 degrees East.

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:21:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:44:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
>From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

>Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
>comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
>last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
>gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
>program. Any thoughts?

>Jared.

I would even carry this thought a step further and ask if those
who were interviewed had actually been shown the video that their
comments were to become interspersed with.  My impression was
that most of the comments were very general, and were edited into
the video to make it appear as if there was a relationship
between them.

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                   Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries

From: apt_6f@hotmail.com <Terry Walker>
Date: 21 Jan 97 18:31:01 TAIWAN
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:43:34 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries

Just a note to say I appreciated all the information posted
recently about UFO sightings in foreign countries. I learned
alot. And stand corrected.

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                     Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon'

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:14:12 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:04:50 -0500
Subject: Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon'

Who was the guy that UPN got to imitate Stanton Freidman? I
refuse to believe that Mr. Friedman had ANYTHING to do with that
abominable titillation. Please ... Stan -- say it ain't so! Sue
for character misrepresentation, or, just to ascend to hyperbole,
I know a couple of hard cases from south Georgia that will work
that UPN bunch over for 'ya -- just say the word! God, I'll
_never_ go on television!!

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           UFO UpDate:Skywatch: Bell/CSETI Show Transcripts on Web

From: skywatch_ok@msn.com [Skywatch List]
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:09:47 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:36:55 -0500
Subject: UFO UpDate:Skywatch: Bell/CSETI Show Transcripts on Web

List Members,

Transcripts of the Art Bell show that took place on January 05, 1998 are
now available on the CSETI web site.=A0 You can find these transcripts by
following this link: http://www.cseti.org/=A0=A0 When you arrive at the site
please follow the links to the January 5th transcripts.=A0 Hours one and
two are now posted, with more to follow.

Topic of the January 05, 1998 show was, The BIG Disclosure Show.

Guests List:

Guest Host: Steve Bassett, Paradigm Research Group
http://www.anagramvideo.com/bassett/ad.html

1st Hour: Richard C. Hoagland, Enterprise Mission
http://www.enterprisemission.com/

2nd Hour: Dr. Steven Greer, Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial
Intelligence
http://www.cseti.org/

3rd Hour: Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Astronaut

4th Hour: Robert O. Dean, Stargate International and Anagram Video
http://www.rtd.com/~stargate/

5th Hour: Peter Gersten, Attorney


I'd like to take a second to thank Lorie Kramer for taking on the major
job of transcribing this show for all to read.=A0 Good job Lorie and keep
up the good work!

Regards,

Cliff Capers

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:08:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:29:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:21:11 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>I would even carry this thought a step further and ask if those
>who were interviewed had actually been shown the video that their
>comments were to become interspersed with.  My impression was
>that most of the comments were very general, and were edited into
>the video to make it appear as if there was a relationship
>between them.

>Steve


Steve,

TV people are famous for this.  A couple of years ago I did a TV
interview on the AA film.  The interview was around an hour in
duration.  The actual segment was five minutes long!

I was horrified when I saw it.  They had edited it so it sounded
like I was saying that I witnessed the crashed craft and
creatures!!!  And it was also edited so it sounded like I had the
original film here in my office!!!!!!!

I got all sorts of phone calls from people wanting to know if I
had really witnessed the crash.  I pointed out to them that this
supposedly happened in 1947 and that I was less than one year old
at the time.  Usual response, "Oh."

I was really worried about the implication that I had a box full
of film reels in my office!  I had an alarm system installed.

These guys know exactly what they are doing when they practice
creative editing like this.  Just watch the TV news.  Someone
starts to say something, and instead of letting you listen, they
come in with a voice over and some talking head has to tell you
his/her interpretation of what was said.  Do we really need these
jerks to do our thinking for us???

Bob









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                               TV Appearances

From: rfsignal@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:47:01 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:00:50 -0500
Subject: TV Appearances


Dear List,

It has been a week since I appeared briefly on a show called
'Chronicle' on The Prime [cable] Channel here in Canada.

The first thing I have to say is that what I expected was nothing
like what I experienced during the taping of the show.  I have
been on two other TV shows for a total of an hour of live
presentations.  I thought there might be some kind of rehearsal,
preparation or the like.  Such was not the case where the hostess
of Chronicle was upset and an unwilling participant in the
proceedings.

The show opened with two esteemed men posturing themselves and
exchanging opposite views.  In one segment of taping, I described
my abduction as a child in 1952.  The rest of the show was merely
the continued exchanging of views by the posturing men.

How embarrassed I am to have taken part in such a ridiculous and
callous treatment of the subject of UFOs, abductions and all.
It was so stupid to see two learned men exposing their ignorance
of all of the aspects of the entire phenomenon.  True, they might
have been writers who had written various articles about the
subject matter, but it did not help for them to be so blatantly
ignorant of the facts.

Just what are the facts of abductions?  What are the facts of
sightings and all of the rest of the good stuff?  What is going
on in our public media?  What do you think?  Is there such a
thing as 'False Memory Syndrome' that affects individuals
throughout their lives?

I have never been hypnotized and remember my experiences vividly
as flashbacks, even since the one experience in 1952.  I will not
accept the fact that I have been led to believe my experiences
are really flirtations in imagination.

I am very angry and hurt to think that I have been so publicly
passed off.  There was simply no understanding, no compassion and
no explanation for my experiences.  None of the people involved
in the show thought to care one whit about what I was thinking,
what I had felt about the Kangaroo Court proceedings, or about
what I could have said in my opinions.

This kind of wasted time treatment of ufology has been going on
for a very long time.  It has led to dissension and mythology, an
ignorantly farcical passiveness of the public at the hands of
supposed experts in the field.  This isn't Star trek, its real
life!  And, this is how we will react to the possibility of
the reality of the situation?  How embarrassing to be human! I
cannot say what I think without reverting to unmentionable
expletives!

It is not a case of 'what if' an alien presence is bothering with
humanity. I am here and in your face to say that there is
definitely something going on!  See me and know me.  Because when
it is your turn to experience, will you be as able to survive the
fact as I have?

Go stuff your popcorn,
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                     Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

From: joel henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:56:34 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:15:37 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'


>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:13:22 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

>If anyone has details regarding this production, they would be of
>interest.

>IMHO, this program was poorly acted and of questionable
>entertainment value.

>I'm curious as to whether any of our readers to the north had
>heard of this case previously, or if they recognized any of the
>actors in the program. The show, for all of its glory, provided
>few real details of the case.

>Jeesh.  I feel like I'm trapped in a rehersal for "Sweeps Week"!

>Steve

My final word:

This is a hoax, this is a bad hoax. This is a VERY bad hoax. I
wish to GOD they hadn't associated it with Minnesota. I thought
it was supposed to be Canadian! Anyone who believes this tripe
was real needs to check into the Betty Ford Center immediately!

Joel Henry

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:13:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
>  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

>  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
>  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
>  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
>  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
>  program. Any thoughts?


Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
scrolled and the actors names were listed?

Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
expect on production like this. Media hogs.

I have to kind of agree with Steve Kaeser that it appeared that
the people commenting hadn't actually seen the production. Except
that child psychologist Gary (? Never heard of him before) who
said the child was assuming the adult roles, blah, blah, blah. I
forget what all he said because I was laughing so hard. Hope this
guy isn't licensed.

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                   Re: Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon'

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:10:09 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon'

> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:14:12 -0600
> From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Regarding UPN's abduction 'cartoon'

> Who was the guy that UPN got to imitate Stanton Freidman? I
> refuse to believe that Mr. Friedman had ANYTHING to do with that
> abominable titillation. Please ... Stan -- say it ain't so!

No, that was him. :0

Stan told me he hesitantly agreed to be on the show because, as
he put it: "I'd rather it be me on there than let somebody with
questionable research ability get more air time."

I think he knew it was a hoax to begin with, but he didn't want a
(in quotation marks) "abductee/contactee expert" to be on the
show and suggest it was all real. He had a point. (Too bad Sims
got on anyway. :)

He figured they'd edit him to hell, and they did. (I can imagine
what A&E will do with Randle and me next month!)

I agree with John Velez. "Plan 9 From UPN!" LOL!



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(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
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                          Re: Light over Australia

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:45:32 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:05:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Light over Australia


> From: "S.Burrows" <S.Burrows@uq.net.au> [Steve Burrows]
> To: <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Light over Australia
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:20:05 +1000

> Today, at 1010hrs UTC, over Brisbane, Queensland, Australia,
> myself and two children watched a fast moving single white light
> travel from directly overhead to 45 degrees to the East and was
> then masked by low cloud.

> There was no sound and no other lights visible. Many stars was
> clearly visable before the low cloud cover swept in from the
> south.

> The arc of observence was 45 degrees and the time the object was
> in view was no more than 30 seconds.

> Brisbane, Australia lies at 27 degrees South, 153 degrees East.

> Steve B.

A 45 degree arc of passage from the zenith at twilight time in
near 30 seconds is very consistant with a passing low orbit
satellite or high flying plane.  One point to remember is that
the nearer to zenith the sighting is, the faster is the perceived
angular velocity.  To be anomalous, this sighting would have to
had taken less than 15 seconds and still be too high to be
recognizable.  Nevertheless, thanks for taking the time to report
it.

Bye...  Ted..










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                Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:22:33 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:03:14 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
> >  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> >  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

> >  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
> >  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
> >  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
> >  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
> >  program. Any thoughts?

> Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
> anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
> scrolled and the actors names were listed?

> Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
> psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

> The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
> expect on production like this. Media hogs.

> I have to kind of agree with Steve Kaeser that it appeared that
> the people commenting hadn't actually seen the production. Except
> that child psychologist Gary (? Never heard of him before) who
> said the child was assuming the adult roles, blah, blah, blah. I
> forget what all he said because I was laughing so hard. Hope this
> guy isn't licensed.

> Rebecca

Hi Rebecca,

At this end of Canada, the east coast, none of us-except maybe
Stan Friedman-have a clue what the heck this UPI show is. We
don't get it over here, nor "Sightings" which I've been on or
"Strange Universe" which I've been on- if that's still going.
It's a safe bet that Stan hasn't seen it unless they sent him a
promo copy.

"Sightings" in mine and Chris Styles' case was fairly accurate
[we received a promo copy] as was Strange Universe from what I've
been told. So I suggest that you give Stan the benefit of the
doubt on this one because dollars to donuts he hasn't seen it.
Judging from all the comments the "talent" [Stan, etc.] were
shuffled around in the edit suite so as to make chocolate chip
cookies out of raisen bread.

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                            Re: Plan 9 From UPN!

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:25:10 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:36:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Plan 9 From UPN!

> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:54:53 -0500
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
> Subject: Plan 9 From UPN!

<snip, not because it wasn't eloquent>

> 3. And now the bottom line!

> How effective! What better way to attach ridicule and increase
> the incredulity in anyone unfamiliar with the phenomenon than to
> present an absolutely ridiculous piece of crap like that as
> somekind of 'evidence' for abduction! Whoever put this thing
> together is not so stupid because (I think) if what I just
> suggested is in fact true, then they have succeeded. In Spades!

> Enough, I promise never to mention it again. I hope they catch up
> with and prosecute whoever perpetrated and financed this blatant
> hoax. It -is- criminal, and in more ways than one.

> John Velez, Webmaster AIC/Intruders Foundation Online

Thanks John.  You were obviously right to refuse to participate
in this charade.

I'd like to make a positive suggestion here.  Tell the jerks how
much you resent this show!  I went to a search engine last night,
typed in "UPN" and managed to find a site and email address for
my local affiliate.  I assume there's probably also a main site
for the network.

I read them the riot act for insulting their viewers.  I think I
also said something about "lamest thing I've ever seen."  You get
the drift.

If they receive substantial flak for this show, perhaps they'll
think twice before doing it again.  (We can only hope. <g>)
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                      Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

From: "Greg Sandow" <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:35:49 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:22:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign

> From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:45:25 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Frances Emma Barwood Campaign


> Greg,

> Be reassured.  Frances Emma Barwood is a citizen public servant
> who rarely leaves her community and focused on many community
> projects during her tenure on the Phoenix ctiy council.   She is
> not right wing.  She has broad appeal and is even well supported
> by the unions.

<etc., much snipped>

Whew. Steve, thanks for the reassurance. I hope she does well.

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: CLFScribe <CLFScribe@aol.com> [Lee Finkle]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:31:08 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:20:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
> >  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> >  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

> >  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
> >  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
> >  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
> >  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
> >  program. Any thoughts?


> Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
> anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
> scrolled and the actors names were listed?

Like a fool, I did not see that they listed those people as actors.  I left
the room so disappointed in the film.  Normally I look for credits, but it was
my thought that the film was the original film found in the McPherson house.
There was no verbal announcement of it being an reinactment, that I caught.

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:53:23 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:40:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
> From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

> Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
> comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
> last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
> gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
> program. Any thoughts?

> Jared.


To one and all:

I made a very quick trip to LA after New Years and answered a
bunch of general questions about abductions... and had a brief
visit with my daughter. I never saw the video. I certainly never
said anything about it on camera and never endorsed it. I didn't
see the show last night because it wasn't available here. I hope
to get a copy and then take whatever action is appropriate. So
far nobody has said I said anything that wasn't true... I don't
really believe the public is stupid and understand that acting
credits were given...

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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #216

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:50:00 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:26:48 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #216

Apology to MW #216 (For January 21, 1998)

Rhyming still I try, with a finger in the eye of those that I
decry without a conscience. I protect myself from them with this
meter kept in trim to hide in fact from him t'would put me
under.

"He's a *wacko* like John Ford. But he can safely be ignored. A
minor poet =85 aren't you bored -- his constant tapping"? But this
tapping I can hear could have you crying in your beer -- and not
so far from here; I'm not just rapping.

Is our future writ in stone? Could we go it all alone, and _can_
we all atone our common madness? Think of Aztecs looking east, "a
bearded savior? [begin the feast!]", but it's Cortezed Catholic
priests that burn our answer.

We hear of Ford the 'Gun Nut', implied he's got a 'wide butt',
and how he hangs with scuts, and wacko losers. But he finished up
his college, and then he used his newfound knowledge, to rifle in
the foliage of the system's hidden sewers! That's what _I_ could
plan to do, our constitution through and through -- you would
tear that from my view, you scabrous bunky! The stuff that you
report wouldn't stand in any court, and though you call yourself
a sport you're just a flunky. You write what you think sells, the
fairest play can go to hell; you've got yours so *it's* just
swell; you're so unharmless. But you're the one to go down first,
you're the first to feel the thirst, you're the one to be
immersed in sad despair.

Retired from the courts, he was a cop of sorts, republican in
quarts, and seeing commies. Hell, he sounds just like my dad, and
it kind of makes me sad, perhaps a trifling mad at the
injustice.

It seems they call him crazy 'cause he's not the least bit hazy
on the subject of your 'phasing flying saucer'. He thinks that
some touch down, he thinks they're under ground, he thinks
they're making sounds we should be hearing. Well the Suffolk
county boys should gather up their bully toys -- and make a
similar noise to label _me_. I hold the same beliefs, and I'm
getting no relief, as the 'man' laughs up his sleeve; I would be
free.


Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Think about it! Have the Suffolk county boys established the
beginnings of legal precedent for a flying saucer murder defense?
Believe in flying saucers, and be unfit to stand trial -- for
attempted murder -- later, murder full blown?

Where did he get the radium?

What if John -- "lik[ing] to talk about what he would do to [even
imagined enemies?]", and not KNOWING about PLANTED radium in his
pickup, was encouraged, by the 'wire', to _fantasize_ about it in
the same manner you could with me if you told me _I_ could press
a little red button in your outstretched palm and watch Pat
Robertson's head explode on network television <even now I
scramble for that button in my mind <sardonic grin>>. Or perhaps
it is not acceptable for me to make such an expression even when
_he_ makes every indication that _I_ should be dispatched in an
even crueler fashion! That I should die to feed the God of HIS
imagination and interpretation =85 or yours -- even mine, but
especially Suffolk county's! That is the REAL madness!

Restore John Ford!

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Explore the Alien View?

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"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:05 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:40:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:15 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> >Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:20:08 -0400
> >Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:15:20 -0500
> >Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> <snip>

> > List:

> > It has been my experience that if the good guys don't go on the
> > bad guys will. The producers care about meeting deadlines and
> > making money. Truth is not their thing. Lord knows ufology has
> > plenty of bad guys...
> > Stan Friedman

> Stan,

> I have just finished watching the UPN program. While I doubt that
> you were talking about this goofy video (AT LEAST I HOPE NOT),
> the producers of this program certainly made it appear that way
> (to a more naive audience, for example) in the way ALL the
> conversations were edited.

> I can only hope that your intentions were good, but IMO, don't do
> us anymore favors. This video was a complete joke and I think
> your appearance on this program lessens your credibility.

> Leave these shows for the "Alien Hunters" of the world.

> Don't become one of ufology's bad guys.

> Rebecca

> PS. Someone from Minnesota tell me if one would find really green
> grass in Lake County, Minnesota on November 27, 1997.

Rebecca:

I didn't see the show. If my responses to very general questions
(I never saw the video) were taken out of context to make
something false look real, then I suppose I can take legal
action. I am anxious to see a tape. I wonder wheter anything I
said might have educated a non ufological audience?? So far
nobody has taken issue with what I said.I didn't make the
program.

Stan Friedman










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                             Re: TV Appearances

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:13:46 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:47:21 -0500
Subject: Re: TV Appearances


> From: rfsignal@sprynet.com [Cathy Johnson]
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:47:01 -0800
> Subject: TV Appearances
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> It has been a week since I appeared briefly on a show called
> 'Chronicle' on The Prime [cable] Channel here in Canada.

> The show opened with two esteemed men posturing themselves and
> exchanging opposite views.  In one segment of taping, I described
> my abduction as a child in 1952.  The rest of the show was merely
> the continued exchanging of views by the posturing men.

> How embarrassed I am to have taken part in such a ridiculous and
> callous treatment of the subject of UFOs, abductions and all.
> It was so stupid to see two learned men exposing their ignorance
> of all of the aspects of the entire phenomenon.  True, they might
> have been writers who had written various articles about the
> subject matter, but it did not help for them to be so blatantly
> ignorant of the facts.

OK, Cathy. Who were they? I'd love to know this, because I'm
pretty annoyed at media treatment of the subject, too. What's
worse is the expounding of ideas by so-called "experts" who don't
do any original research and only regurgitate old adages.

Sorry to hear you went through that. :(



--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada








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From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:54 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:04:55 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries


> Date: 21 Jan 97 18:31:01 TAIWAN
> From: apt_6f@hotmail.com <Terry Walker>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: UFO sightings in foreign countries

> Just a note to say I appreciated all the information posted
> recently about UFO sightings in foreign countries. I learned
> alot. And stand corrected.

> - Terry Walker

First, let me thank you for having the wisdom and courage to
realize that your knowledge about these things was not complete
and absolute.  Many others on this mail list would do well to
learn from your example.

Second forgive me for grabbing on to this to vent my growing
frustration with the limited effort of many here to teach
themselves more about this subject before they burden us with
their misguided assertions.

To illustrate this, a few months ago we had a lengthy thread on
the Brussels sightings where it was either asserted or lamented
(depending on position) on how rare were combined radar and
visual sightings.  At that time, my reading of a dozen or so
better known books about UFO incidents tended to support this
assertion.

Last night I just finished reading "Flying Saucers From Outer
Space" by Major Donald Kehoe, a book published in mid 1953.  What
a revelation. No, not of divinely revealed proof of an
incontrovertible and unique cause of all UFO sightings.  Rather
of the cyclic nature not only of the sightings, but also of the
investigation, official positions and propaganda, media coverage,
and actual public knowledge and acceptance of the UFO phenomenon.
 It is deeply disheartening for me to realize that the general
dialogue we share on this mail list has been repeated, often in
mimicked phrases, every ten or so years since WWII.  This only
reflects the impotence of research and science when faced with
disinformation, propaganda, and media prostitution.

To return to my example, in "Flying Saucers From Outer Space" the
majority of the 50 or so cases recounted were combination radar
and visual sighting events.  This alone makes our recent
positions on this type of sightings vacuous.  Beyond this is the
fact that this book is not merely another compilation of widely
collected reports.  Rather, it is a collection of official
reports from the Air Technical Intelligence Center, then the
principal military group investigating UFOs.  More importantly,
this is not the telling of a collection of initial reports, but
of a collection of the concluding Intelligence Reports with the
then current best explanation of the events.  Some of these
events included not only radar and visual sightings, but also gun
camera or other photographic evidence.  Just what level of
substantial evidence, then and now, is necessary for common
acceptance of UFOs as a subject of legitimate, unridiculed public
research?  The book was published in 1953, one of the first
handful of modern books about UFOs.  The cases cited were from
official Air Force reports.  Major Donald Keyhoe has always been
described as an honest and forthright author.  What are we
missing here?  I struggle to imagine how our common knowledge of
UFOs can remain so stagnant nearly 50 years after such evidence
is made public.  I will always underestimate the power of
official and public pressure.

Underlying my ravings above is the nagging feeling that too few
people take the responsibility of reading some variety of books
on subjects they want to speak about.  Most of my reading is from
library books.  Interlibrary Loan makes most all books available
for a small charge.  Do any of the current UFO organizations have
private library loan policies?   Perhaps we could maintain a
minor thread of favorite and recommended reading so that every
week worthy books could be suggested.

Bye...  Ted..








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                             Re: 'The Threat'...

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:40:05 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:02 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:00:08 -0800


> >  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/19/98 8:46 AM:
> >  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> >  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> >  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:20:22 -0500 (EST)

> >  On the other hand, it seems to me that what has changed in that
> >  time is our own concept of the fantastic.  I personally believe
> >  that something is happening which we do not understand, but I
> >  have some serious problems accepting the "nuts-and-bolts" view of
> >  UFOs, given that the character of those UFOs seems to change
> >  along with science fiction tastes (although, to be honest, I
> >  suppose one could question the causality).  If one is going to
> >  presume a milion-year-old civilization, their science would
> >  (according to Clarke) probably seem magickal to us, and it would
> >  seem to me just as reasonable to assume they exist in a form we
> >  cannot comprehend and that our contact experiences are what
> >  happens when an intelligence beyond our understanding is
> >  expressed through the limitations of our brains.

> So while most of the list seems to think that UFO geometries
> remain largely unchanged for at least 50 years, you believe that
> they follow science-fiction fashion.

You missed my point.  I wasn't referring so much to the past 50
years as to the representation of these phenomena in the past 500
years.  I have had neither the time nor the resources to evaluate
the subject over the past 50 years, which is why I said in my
previous message I was open to new information on the subject.


> How do you cope with the presence of boomerang formations in the
> 1800s, disks in the early 1900s, triangles in the 1940s?

I was referring primarily to CE3s in which considerable detail
about the craft in question is reported.  Were there CE3s
reported from these times?  (Not doubting you; I'd love to hear
more about it).

> Why do most movie UFOs look nothing like reported UFOs? Why do
> most 1940s and 50s spacecraft look like cones and finned tubes
> and we have few or no reports of geometries that look anything
> like that?

Actually, I take issue with that.  From what I remember, the
"finned cone" spaceships of the 1940's and early 50's were often
of Earth origin, whereas the representations of craft of ET
origin were varied. Furthermore, trying to establish causality
may be difficult since I'm sure that UFO sightings have
influenced SF as much as SF may influence or color UFO sightings.
 Case in point, one of the first reports of "flying saucers" was
actually a misnomer; the sighting in question involved objects
which *skipped* like saucers.  Yet shortly after, saucer-shaped
craft appeared both in SF and in popular sightings.

Again, I'm not saying there aren't UFOs, I'm just saying I'm not
convinced they are big hunks o' metal.

> >  If anyone is aware of evidence which substantiates the existence
> >  of actual alien spacecraft (as opposed to simply unknown luminous
> >  phenomena) please tell me; I'm certainly open to changing my
> >  view.

> Metal/solid surfaces - verified by touch, radar, bullets and
> rocks thrown.

Interesting ... can you give me some references for these?

> EM effects
> Heavy weight ground traces and ground burn traces

All of which are characteristic effects of stable high-energy
plasma configurations (plasmoids).  Of course, they could also be
evidence of some high-tech propulsion system as well.

> Radiation output verified by geiger counter

Which has also been posited as a plasmoid characteristic (note:
I'm not good at plasma physics, so I haven't been able to
evaluate the published literature).

> These all indicate an objectively existent, solid, possibly
> technological phenomenon. Alien spacecraft? Maybe.

Well, I wasn't disputing the *existence* of the phenomena.  What
I was trying to say (and wasn't very clear at) is that if these
phenomena do exist as sentient beings, I think they may be so
advanced as to be in a sense "beyond our reality", and much of
what we see about them (e.g., the details of the craft, and
*especially* the details of what they tell us in CE3s) may be as
much a reflection of our own belief system as reality.
After all, their "language" is probably very different from our
own, possibly operating nonverbally, and if so, we may be
misinterpreting them completely.

I'm especially concerned with interpreting CE3s as physical
events.  As an example, I have read several accounts from people
who are supposedly abducted repeatedly while in bed, and yet
there haven't been any observers who can verify this.  Excluding
for a moment the possibility of neurological problems, wouldn't
such advanced beings be capable of immersing the abductee in a
completely "hallucinatory" scenario?

Anyway, like I said, I'm open to anything, and I'm not trying to
say "you're wrong" so much as trying to see what various people
think and how well they can support those views.  If anything I'd
love to be referred to some evidence on the subject.


> >  Assuming no real progress is made, and that we continue to view
> >  UFOs as mythological phenomena, I wonder how they will appear,
> >  say, 100 years from now, or 200.

> You must be the "we".

Again by "mythological" I didn't necessarily mean fantastic or
false; I just meant that there *is* a modern-day mythology about
UFOs which is evolving.  And whether or not UFOs are real, I
think most would agree that the culture surrounding UFOs has
evolved into a modern mythology.

And I'm not the only one who views UFOs as a manifestation of our
own expectations as much as reality.  There are a couple of
authors I've read who have pointed out a continuum from faerie
lore to UFOs without making the conclusion many today seem to
have made (i.e., that people in former times must have been
mistaking UFOs and aliens for something else, and that we, being
so much more advanced, know The Truth).  I don't think we've
gotten that much more intelligent in the past 500 years.

And I also think that in 100 or 200 years we'll look back on our
current level of science and technology and consider it
hopelessly primitive and naive.  As such I have no doubt that our
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                     Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:56:54 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:16:57 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:13:22 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

> If anyone has details regarding this production, they would be of
> interest.

> IMHO, this program was poorly acted and of questionable
> entertainment value.

> I'm curious as to whether any of our readers to the north had
> heard of this case previously, or if they recognized any of the
> actors in the program. The show, for all of its glory, provided
> few real details of the case.

Do we have any reason to believe that there was a real case?

As I posted to the list after seeing the promo a couple of weeks
ago, I recognized actor Kristian Ayre, who played "Tommy".  He is
Canadian, so I think that must be where it was made.  (This
presumably also explains why we originally heard that the video
was about a Canadian family, even though the actual video stated
that it was Minnesota, in the US.)

So I wasn't surprised that the video was not of a real abduction
case.  What I was surprised at was UPN's asking people to get in
touch with them to say whether or not they thought the video was
real.  How stupid does UPN think people are?  The actors were
fully credited at the end of the show!

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                 Lake County 'Alien Abduction' Video is Fake

From: ufotruth@ix.netcom.com (by way of John Velez)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:13:22 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:39:01 -0500
Subject: Lake County 'Alien Abduction' Video is Fake

------Begin forward message-------------------------

From: ufotruth

Date: 10/23/98 00:22:47
Message-Id: <1998102302247624464@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: LAKE COUNTY ALIEN ABDUCTION VIDEO IS FAKE! UPN KNEW THIS!
X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.27, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc.

Everyone,

I am sure all of you have watched or heard about UPN's special
"Incident in Lake County: Alien Abduction". UPN makes this show
out to be a real home video of a whole family being abducted by
extraterrestrials. Well, here is some evidence that could prove
that the whole program "Incident in Lake County: Alien Abduction"
is FAKE and a piece of DISINFORMATION!

One of the main people in the video of the so called "abduction"
is really an ACTOR! Yes. Thats CORRECT! Here are the webpages
that proves this.

http://www.andromeda5.com/

and

http://www.andromeda5.com/alien_abduction/


The actor in the video is Kristian Ayre from shows such as
Nickelodeon's "Space Cases" and "GhostWriter". The fact that he
is an ACTOR strongly indicates that the ENTIRE video of the
so-called abduction is FAKE and a piece of DISINFORMATION and
that UPN KNEW THIS!

I am infuriated with UPN. They broadcasted this show and made it
seem like it was real when they knew it was really FAKE and
DISINFORMATION! We cannot let UPN and other organizations contiue
to dish out DISINFORMATION like this to the public! We must all
unite and EXPOSE this video as a FAKE and piece of
DISINFORMATIOIN to the ENTIRE WORLD! If we do not expose this
video as a hoax and a piece of disinformation on the part of UPN
other networks might follow their lead and start PURPOSLY
creating FAKE videos and airing them and dishing out MORE
dis-information!

And we also need to (PEACEFULLY)expose UPN for airing this video
like it was real when really it was a FAKE that was CREATED by
ACTORS. We cannot let them get away with dishing out
disinformation like this designed to DISCREDIT the UFO COMMUNITY.
We need to PEACEFULLY work to make sure that a piece of
disinformation like this is NEVER aired on TV again.

Please email this message far and wide and post it to mailing
lists etc.



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                 Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast...

From: Scott Hale <shale@columbus.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:35:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:43:06 -0500
Subject: Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast...

I just thought I'd take a moment to record what happened on the
internet AFTER the UPN video "abduction" broadcast. I help maintain
EFnet's #UFO chat channel. What struck me as completely sad was the
fact that there was actually a debate about the authenticity of the
UPN show! The fact that there were credits after the program was over
makes any debate completely worthless. It eventually took someone
going onto the web to find a page that mentioned one of the actors in
the video. At that point some of the people started to say things like
"Ok.. I will ADMIT that it could be a hoax, but we have no proof of
that yet..." Where do these people come from?! I know I shouldn't be
suprised by this sort of thing by now, but still....

I just don't know if I should be laughing or crying!

Thanks,
Scott K. Hale








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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:13 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:49:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


>>  Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
>>  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>>  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

>>  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
>>  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
>>  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
>>  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
>>  program. Any thoughts?

>Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
>anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
>scrolled and the actors names were listed?

>Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
>psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

>The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
>expect on production like this. Media hogs.

<<snip>>

Hello List,

I would like to add a few comments from a Media point of view.

First:
Not all of the folks in the media misrepresent. Editing is
necessary due to the limitations of time.

Second:
Some do! Unless you live in a cave you know very well who the
misrepresenters are. (They have been doing it for years and they
still are!)

Third:
I would not consider insulting the intelligence of old media pros
such as, Stan Friedman, Darrell Simms, Yvonne Smith, etal, by
saying that they didn't know what they were getting into. Of
course they did!  They have all done it many, many times before.
And many times for the same producers and programs. (Bob Kiviat)
(Sightings, A&E, TLC, Sci-Fi, Channel, and more talk show hosts
than I care to list) and each time they signed a standard
industry release allowing the producers to edit as they please.

Fourth:
If you don't want to be misquoted or misrepresented don't sit
down for interviews!
As a person who sticks cameras in people's faces for a living I
know all about the lure of the spotlight. I am also aware of the
dubious practice of sucking someone onto a program under false
pretenses. Years ago I was asked to appear on the Montel Williams
Show. The topic was to be the Government involve- ment in UFO
coverups and they wanted a documentarians point of view. It was
not the topic at all but rather a typical confronta- tional show
with the "Good Guys vs the Bad Guys." full of misquotes and B.S.
editing.

Fool me once...shame on you!
Fool me twice...shame on me!

Last but not least:
Kudos to John Velez for knowing better and shining it on!

Keep an open mind,
Russ Estes






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                     Questions around 'Abduction' video

From: Frank Costa <frank@allpen.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:59:24 -0800 [Frank Costa]
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:26:39 -0500
Subject: Questions around 'Abduction' video

Hi All -

It appears from some of the posts that I've read thus far, that
the impression of the list is that the video is a hoax.  Or
should I say definitely a hoax.  Therefore, it should be easy
enough to confirm this, given some background checking.  How does
one go about obtaining a police report on this case?  I mean an
entire family disappears, there would've definitely been some
investigation.  A police investigation would've found the
shotguns melted? or mutilated?  A shotgun hole in one of the
upstairs doors?  A thanksgiving dinner laid out, but not eaten?
The fuse box melted? The truck battery corroded? How bout the
power company in the area, would they be able to confirm that
they had problems with their transformers on that given night,
11-27-96(or was it 97)?  How bout that cow in the pasture, was a
mutilation reported (or found) on that night?  There was no
interview with any neighbors, wouldn't they've seen some strange
lights or heard shotgun blasts?  Also, the producers never stated
how they acquired the video?  If there was an investigation, then
the video would be a valuable piece of evidence in the
disappearance of a family.  How does UPN get it?  Was there an
interview with a local police authority?  I didn't see one, but I
might've missed it.

The video was "cheesy" which it should be, if it is an actual
home video. I didn't expect some glossy hollywood production?
Why is it, that at a time when the public appears ready to learn
about the UFO/Abduction phenomena in a more serious tone, that we
get this "too good to be true" video with little or no facts?

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                         Oklahoma Politics And UFOs

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:30:02 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:55:54 -0500
Subject: Oklahoma Politics And UFOs

>From the "Tulsa World" online. URL:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/scripts/tulsaworld/tulsaworld.dll?VBEXE=C:\ine
tsrv\scripts\tulsaworld\tulsaworld.exe&DSPLY=Story&ID=980119_Op_edit203

*******


Politics and UFOs


By World Editorial Writers

1/20/98


POLITICS IS SOMETIMES referred to as a circus, and there is no doubt
that Oklahoma politics has had its circus-like aspects down through the
years. Candidates who are named for famous people, or who have funny
names like "Ploughboy," fisticuffs among lawmakers and other
shenanigans from time to time have caused Oklahoma voters to chuckle --
or shake their heads in dismay.

But Oklahoma doesn't hold an exclusive franchise on political zaniness,
not by a long shot. Take Arizona -- please.

In 1988, when then-Gov. Evan Mecham was in the process of being
recalled by voters, more than 100 people, including a death-row inmate,
took out candidate petitions in the hope of running for governor. Even
rock star Alice Cooper said he was thinking of running.

This year a former Phoenix city councilwoman, Frances Emma Barwood, is
running for secretary of state on a platform that includes, among other
things, a demand that the military explain any UFOs sighted over
Arizona. Barwood's efforts to capitalize on a recent rash of UFO
reports have endeared her to the supernaturalists and anti-government
conspiratorialists who ply the Internet and talk-show radio. She was
accompanied by UFO researchers at her campaign kickoff, and her
campaign manager is a lobbyist in Washington for UFO aficionados.

Secretary of state is a high-profile job in Arizona because the holder
of the office is first in line to succeed the governor. In most states
that's no big deal but in Arizona two recent governors have been
removed from office. In fact, the current governor, Jane Hull, was
secretary of state before succeeding convicted Gov. Fife Symington.

Say what you will about Oklahoma politics; at least UFOs, so far, have
not been an issue in a statewide election campaign.



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             Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors

From: petekaz@erols.com, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:06:52 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:51:57 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors

Interesting comment on the UPN abduction video. Received via
"alt.alien.research" January 21 at 23.59 local time (GMT+ 1 hour):

*******

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:52:25 -0500
From: Peter Kazlouski <petekaz@erols.com>
Subject: UPN abduction TV movie closing credits list names of alien
ACTORS ! SCREAMING OUTRAGE !!
Message-ID: <34C67C29.F9E5B72@erols.com>


The SMALL closing credits include:

Shari Khademi     as Alien 1
Myles Wolf          as Alien 2


So there is no possible doubt, UPN admitted this OUTRAGEOUS HOAX that
they had been repeatedly claiming to be REAL. Since most people dont
read closing credits, they would need time to realize how badly done
the presentation was.

UPN IS IN BIG TROUBLE. FRAUD IS ILLEGAL, AND WHAT THEY PERPETRATED WAS
F R A U D.










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From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:10:58 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:01 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County'

To:  ebk, List, et al., and Steve

>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:13:22 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

>If anyone has details regarding this production, they would be of
>interest.

>IMHO, this program was poorly acted and of questionable
>entertainment value.

>I'm curious as to whether any of our readers to the north had
>heard of this case previously, or if they recognized any of the
>actors in the program. The show, for all of its glory, provided
>few real details of the case.



Steve:

My thoughts.  See my request to the "visitor"
center in Lake County.  See the "visitor" center's
brief, succinct, clear, unambiguous response.










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              USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver Interviewed

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:23:15 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:55:19 -0500
Subject: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver Interviewed

>From the "Virtually Northwest" online. URL:

http://www.virtuallynorthwest.com/stories/1998/Jan/18/S334915.asp


Stig

*******


Sunday

January 18, 1998

SPOKANE


Spokane native helped crash Roswell's party


Little green men are green, Doug Clark muses, because that's the color
of money.


Scorched UFO buffs call him a real Man in Black.

To spaced-out believers, Richard Weaver is a gatekeeper for the U.S.
government's conspiracy to hush up the fact that a saucer full of
cosmic commuters once took a tumble out among the New Mexico
tumbleweeds.

But the 50-year-old Spokane native says he got cheated if his critics
are correct.

"I never got the watch or the cool sunglasses," complains Weaver,
referring to "Men in Black" -- last year's science-fiction blockbuster
about a clandestine agency that keeps tabs on interstellar travelers.

Now retired from the Air Force, Weaver was a colonel assigned to the
Office of Special Investigations when he co-wrote the 1994 Air Force
study that debunked the famed "Roswell Incident."

The Virginia resident was in Spokane this week visiting family members.
A Shadle Park High and Washington State University grad, Weaver took an
afternoon off to talk about his "Roswell Report -- Fact vs. Fiction in
the New Mexico Desert."

As thick as the city's phone book, the document explores the July 1947
recovery of pieces of a strange "flying disk" on a ranch near Roswell,
N.M. "We literally tried to do our best," he says. "It was never me
against the UFO people."

What was found in the desert a half-century ago was totally
terrestrial, the report concludes. The flimsy wreckage came from an
experimental high-altitude balloon deployed to eavesdrop on Russian
nuclear tests.

Such an earthly explanation predictably sent the UFO community into
orbit.

"The Air Force is lying through its teeth," groused renowned UFO
proponent Stanton Friedman, when asked in a 1996 interview about the
"Roswell Report." "... Boy did the Air Force supply the fiction."

The sandy-haired Weaver is amused by the ruckus that put him in the
national media spotlight.

"I got anonymous telephone calls. I got hate faxes from people
questioning my sanity and even my parentage. I never received a direct
"I will kill you," but there were a lot of veiled threats," he says.

"Some were in German, French and Russian. I couldn't read them, but SOB
sort of looks the same in any language."

Weaver insists, however, that he never wanted his name linked to little
green men. "I'd like to be remembered for putting killers and rapists
in jail. Instead, I'll be the guy who did the study on all this goofy
UFO stuff."

For much of his 28 years in the Air Force, Weaver probed crimes and
helped keep the lid on real secrets like the Stealth and B-2 bombers.

Then, in 1994, he was given the job of focusing his sleuthing skills on
Roswell. That came after U.S. Congressman Steven Schiff, R-New Mexico,
filed a request for information regarding the alleged saucer crash.

Schiff got more than he bargained for. Weaver led a staff of crack
researchers who spent eight months investigating the case.

You don't have to be Rocketman to see the Roswell Incident for the load
of horse twaddle it is.

Back in 1947, this was only a two-day news story that ended when the
sticks and foil found were ruled to have come from a weather balloon.
Space aliens didn't even enter the picture until decades later, when
kooks like Friedman and others started spouting off and selling books.

Now Roswell's space fantasy has evolved into its main industry. The
small city has three alien museums. The saucer crash is actively
promoted through the Chamber of Commerce.

Why? Because big money is to be made.

Last summer's 50th anniversary party was a galactic blowout that packed
Roswell with a horde of costumed wackos. It was, says Weaver, "a cross
between Woodstock and a meeting for the insane."

There probably is a conspiracy afoot. It is with UFO hucksters who
can't afford to let truth get in the way of such a lucrative scam.

"This is logic vs. emotion," says the government's Man in Black.
"Roswell has become like Paul Bunyan. It's a myth that people believe."


Copyright 1997 by The Spokesman-Review

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From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:33:56 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:01:15 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's 'Incident in Lake County

ebk, List, et al., (Steve)


>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:13:22 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"
>
<snip>

>I'm curious as to whether any of our readers to the north had
>heard of this case previously, or if they recognized any of the
>actors in the program. The show, for all of its glory, provided
>few real details of the case.


Steve:

I contacted the Lake County visitor center for info. Below is
the e-mail response I received.


I have quoted the post in detail.

*************************************

From:  R J Houle Info Center  <houle@mr.net@mail.mr.net>
To:    White <mjawhite@digitaldune.net>
Date:  Wednesday, January 21, 1998 10:39 am
Subject: Re: McPherson Abduction on UPN

WHITE wrote:

>Dear Lake County Visitor Site:

>I visited your Home Page this a.m.
>I did not find the McPherson home
>listed as an attraction.  I plan on
>visiting the area (Northhome) and
>thought I would drop by and get
>a look at the abduction site.  Would you
>please send the address?

>John White mjawhite@digitaldune.net

(the response from t he Lake County Visitor Site)

Sorry to report - I've lived here 25 years, and have
never heard of the, or any, alleged abduction.

*********************************************************

Well, Steve, at least one respondent from up that way never heard
of it.  Jeez was John V. right when took a breather on this one.
I felt really sorry for everyone who showed up on that as an
"expert."

John White  mjawhite@digitaldune.net










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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:36:23 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:05:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:22:33 +0100
> From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> > From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
> > >  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
> > >  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
> > >  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

> > >  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
> > >  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
> > >  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
> > >  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
> > >  program. Any thoughts?

> > Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
> > anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
> > scrolled and the actors names were listed?

> > Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
> > psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

> > The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
> > expect on production like this. Media hogs.

> > I have to kind of agree with Steve Kaeser that it appeared that
> > the people commenting hadn't actually seen the production. Except
> > that child psychologist Gary (? Never heard of him before) who
> > said the child was assuming the adult roles, blah, blah, blah. I
> > forget what all he said because I was laughing so hard. Hope this
> > guy isn't licensed.

> > Rebecca

> Hi Rebecca,

> At this end of Canada, the east coast, none of us-except maybe
> Stan Friedman-have a clue what the heck this UPI show is. We
> don't get it over here, nor "Sightings" which I've been on or
> "Strange Universe" which I've been on- if that's still going.
> It's a safe bet that Stan hasn't seen it unless they sent him a
> promo copy.

> "Sightings" in mine and Chris Styles' case was fairly accurate
> [we received a promo copy] as was Strange Universe from what I've
> been told. So I suggest that you give Stan the benefit of the
> doubt on this one because dollars to donuts he hasn't seen it.
> Judging from all the comments the "talent" [Stan, etc.] were
> shuffled around in the edit suite so as to make chocolate chip
> cookies out of raisen bread.

> Don Ledger
> Who is in the biz.

Right on Don. I didn't see the show last night. I didn't see the
video. I wasn't asked about the video. I gave no opinions about
the video. I see no reason to say the video is real when actors
are listed at the end of the show as I gather they were.

Stan Friedman





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 From: "A.J. Craddock" <webmaster@cseti.org>
 Subject: A Tribute to Shari Adamiak from Steven Greer

 A Tribute to Shari Adamiak

 Shari Adamiak passed on to the worlds of Light today, January 20, 1998 at
 9:50 am MST.

 Shari made her transition in the presence of friends and loved ones,
 peacefully and without pain.

 I ask that everyone pause to say a prayer for Shari and the progress of
 her soul in the presence of God.

 What words can contain our sense of loss and  of the love we all shared
 with Shari?

 Since 1991, when we first met at a lecture in Los Angeles, Shari has been
 a pillar of strength and support, an indefatigueable colleague, a true
 friend, an intrepid fellow explorer, an irreplaceable confidant and a
 fearless lioness without whose dedication CSETI could not have realized
 its many historic acheivements.

 She has been my right hand and trusted assistant for over six years.
 Whether braving the dangers of the remotest parts of latin America or
 assisting with meetings at the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in
 the Pentagon, Shari was there with me - and for all of us. She never
 falterd and she never gave up.

 Unphased by the barbs of critics or the machinations of relentless covert
 operations, she resolutely worked for a time of peace - a peace
 universal, for the earth and for countless worlds beyond.

 How many wonders did we witness together? From walking in the shadow of
 some of this world's largest volcanos with extraterrestrial spacecraft
 floating silently above us, to watching a dozen top-secret military
 witnesses tell an assemblage of Congressmen the truth about UFOs, Shari
 and I saw events unfold of such great significance that only the passage
 of time will reveal their true and ultimate significance.

 And through it all, Shari was filled with a joy, an excitement and
 energy, an almost child-like curiosity and wonder at the mysteries of
 creation and the astonishing potential of these times.

 Even as her body began to fail her, she evinced a spirit of such grace,
 courage and love that all those who knew her were amazed and blessed by
 her example.

 Just two months ago, in November of 1997, she journeyed to Joshua Tree
 wilderness in California with me. There she experienced what she loved
 most: the oneness with the stars, the universe and the communication with
 those peoples from other planets visiting our turbulent world. Fighting
 weakness, pain and increasing paralysis of her right arm and leg, Shari
 went into the desert each night, undeterred by the growing obstacles
 posed by her physical condition. And there, through the crossing point of
 light, we saw the depths of space and the people and spacecraft from
 other worlds, who await our own coming of age as a people. Nothing would
 keep her from this purpose.

 Now, a great light has gone from this world, but it shines forever
 brightly in the realms of eternity. I know Shari was ready for this great
 journey: Precisely 7 mornings before the morning of her passing, we
 crossed over together to the other side, if only for a while. Awestruck,
 we witnessed a Light- a Presence- so beautiful, emanating from the center
 of creation. No words can depict it; it was beyond anything the intellect
 can grasp. An infinite brillance, golden white in the center and becoming
 more peach, pink and magenta as it expanded infinitely before us,
 suffused us in a sea of love, joy and beauty unlike any experience of my
 life.  It was the experience of the consciousness of God - pure light,
 unspeakable love and peace. And permeating that Spot were millions of
 voices joining as one, singing a melody too sweet to recall. And the
 refrain was: "We are all one in Spirit".

 Knowing that her time was near, I came to Denver yesterday to see her to
 the other side. Last night while saying prayers, she emerged from the
 coma, and with a look of great joy on her face, opened her eyes. I told
 her all was ready for her transition to the world of Light, and that she
 should go when she was ready. I could hear her acknowledge these words,
 and a large tear welled up in her eyes as she knew that our time together
 in this world was nearly over.

 This morning, we were called to her bedside. As we gathered, we said
 prayers and prepared her spiritually for the transition.  As lights and a
 breath of great spirit filled the room, we saw it was time, and I said: "
 Shari, go into the eternal light". With that, she took her final breath
 and ascended to Providence...

 Even while knowing the joy and love of her present state, the loss is
 nonetheless severe. But let us remember her thus: She lives in the worlds
 of Light, joyous, and she would want us to continue the work to which she
 dedicated her life - the establishment of Universal Peace, and the
 creation of a cosmic civilization.

 And we find hope in the knowledge that those who have passed on to the
 next world become the leaven which raises this world of existence. Shari
 and I discussed her future work, from beyond the veil of light, which
 would advance the cause of peace and enlightenment in all the realms of
 God. I have no doubt that she will serve well from her new home in the
 eternal and become one of the angels of peace.

  Without peace, there can be no progress on this earth. So let us work
 for peace with hearts filled with love. For when we pass from this world,
 all we really take with us is love- endless, infinite love.

 Steven M. Greer M.D.
 Director of CSETI
 20 January 1998

 ******************************************************************
A memorial service will be held for Shari Adamiak on Friday,
January 23, 1998 at the Metro Denver Baha'i Center, 225 E. Bayaud
at the Corner of Grant St. in Denver.

In honor of Shari Adamiak, CSETI has established The Fund for
Universal Peace, to advance the cause of peace on earth and with
our planetary neighbors. Memorial donations to this fund may be
made to:
The Fund for Universal Peace,
CSETI,
PO Box 15401
Asheville NC
28813.


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From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:08:41 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:17:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:44:05 -0400
>  From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

[snippage]

>  Rebecca:

>  I didn't see the show. If my responses to very general questions
>  (I never saw the video) were taken out of context to make
>  something false look real, then I suppose I can take legal
>  action. I am anxious to see a tape. I wonder wheter anything I
>  said might have educated a non ufological audience?? So far
>  nobody has taken issue with what I said.I didn't make the
>  program.

Stanton,

I seriously mean no disrespect, but I can't really imagine the
nonufological public staying tuned to this piece of garbage. I am
embarrassed to admit that I watched the whole thing. It was truly
pathetic.

Your responses to questions on abductions were probably good, but
I have no idea because I just couldn't get past the total
amazement I had at how the producers edited the comments. We knew
you could not have possibly been talking about the video snippets
we had witnessed because we know you Stan.

I'm curious about what the producers (who were they BTW?) told
you about the videotape? Did they tell you it was real? Did they
tell you it involved actors? Did you have some kind of contract
that prohibits you from telling us what they told you?

At least one of the commentators, a Gary somebody (a psychologist
OR maybe he just plays one on TV) certainly appeared to have seen
the video of the family because he made comments about specific
points. Yvonne left me with the same impression.

I can say, nothing you said, made that video look real. I don't
think ANYONE could have said anything to make it look real.
However, your comments, to the unititiated (If they were
watching) could have given some credence to the video. These
would have to be real low intelligence viewers though.

Rebecca








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                       Re: Spaulding & Heflin Pictures

From: RHJr1983 <RHJr1983@aol.com> [Ralph Howard]
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:53:00 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:10:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Spaulding & Heflin Pictures


>  Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 23:50:56 -0500
>  From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Brasilia's Letter [Hopkins' POV]
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>  Now we are 20 years after the Spaulding analysis.   Spaulding
>  himself dropped out of sight years ago.   But, what to our
>  wondering eyes should appear. but  (no, not 8 tiny reindeer) the
>  ORIGINAL HEFLIN PHOTOS which were "borrowed" by the Air Force
>  (according to Heflin) way back in 1965 and have been missing for
>  32 years (about).  Yes, folks, the original photos returned about
>  a year ago.....

>  So now SOMEONE can, presumably find out who is the hoaxer....
>  Spaulding or Heflin (or both????)

I recently saw, and will pass on, that, according to a newspaper
story carried in Lucius Farish's "UFO Newsclipping Service, "
researcher Ann Druffel IS in fact having the Heflin photos
analyzed.

Here is an excerpt from a newspaper story dated July 6, 1997 in
the ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER, by Clay Miller; the paper's story was
thorough and well done, and included Heflin's original 9/18/65
statement (the event was 9/3/65):

<start newspaper story quote>

"The Air Force gave the pictures back. NORAD folks came. [...]
Trouble is, says former NICAP member Ann Druffel, they probably
weren't really NORAD. They took the pictures and nobody saw them
again until 1993, when Heflin got a call from someone who told
him to look in his mailbox. There were the faded polaroids he
hadn't seen for 25 years. [.......] "

Druffel, now a Pasadena researcher of the UFO phenomenon, has the
photos. Robert Wood, a former aerospace engineer who met Heflin
in 1968 when the Condon Committee was interviewing him, says
Druffel is having the photos analyzed with new two-dimensional,
digitally enhancing equipment at California State University,
Northridge. (We had some difficulty finding anybody at CSUN who
knew what all this was about.) Wood says the photo scan will pick
up traces of the smoke trail that Heflin mentioned in 1965 and
any air disturbance in the craft's wake.

Druffel is tight-lipped; she wants to publish the work in a
scholarly journal first.

There are no strings on the photographed craft, she emphatically states. None.
Zip. Nada. The photos, she adds, will be available to the public sometime.
Heflin wants that."

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From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:22 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:12:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:15 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

Rebecca,

>PS. Someone from Minnesota tell me if one would find really green
>grass in Lake County, Minnesota on November 27, 1997.

Not very likely. Lake County is in the northeastern point of the
state. Bordered on the south by the north shore of Lake Superior,
and the Canadian border on the north.

They tend to get snowed under earlier in the year than we do in
the central part of the state. Early frosts remove all green from
the grass by at least November 1. Often much earlier.

I didn't see the program. Did they give a name of the town or
township?

Regards,

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From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:15:44 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:15:49 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video

Being a layman in ufology I was hesitant to send this message but
I felt compelled to. You should know that I am a banker and in
particular a commercial lender and have been for almost 20 years.
My job has required me to always try and obtain the facts of a
situation, weigh those facts and make a decision.

I must admit that I lost some respect for Mr. Friedman last
night. He lent his name to the UPN show, probably to try and add
some legitimacy to the program however his involvement was
premature.

On the outside chance that the video was real, there would be all
kinds of physical proof of this occurrence. Here's just a few
things that come to mind:

1.  Did anyone run tests on the melted gun barrels ?

2.  Did anyone examine the electrical transformer box that blew up ?
3.  Did anyone examine the landing site or the site that was
    burned by the alien's laser ?

4.  Did anyone check the blood samples on the rags used by the
    Mcphersons to stop their nose bleeds. Was it real blood ? What
    blood type was it ?

5.  Was the truck engine examined ?

6.  Was the circuit breaker box examined ?

7.  What was the condition of the house when found by the police

8.  What leads do the police have in regards to the where
    whereabouts of this family.

I guess my point is that this SHOW should not have been presented
without some of the factual information covering the above
questions and many others that arise from the video tape.

This is exactly the type of presentation that negatively impacts
all of the legitimate work that has gone into UFO research over
the years and it's a shame Mr. Friedman took a part in it...

Len Fedullo







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               The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:31 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:19:34 -0500
Subject: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...

Please note the attached mail, which is sent
in its entire original format.

I can vouch that this is a serious request
for research information.

Please send any response or comments back
to the originator, Mr. Jan Lamprecht, at:

pbs@iafrica.com



Thank you

Jakes E. Louw
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144
louwje@telkom.co.za




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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:03:56 +0200
From: "Jan Lamprecht"  <UFO-1@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za>
To: JRNyquist@aol.com,Neiby@aol.com, pbs@iafrica.com,
        sashwin@jhb.lia.net, jeroen@pufori.org,
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Subject: USAF: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...

All,
This is the following text which I posted on several scientific and
military newsgroups. Feel free to spread it around. Maybe we'll pick
up some useful responses? Comments?
Jan

I am doing some serious research into an idea and I would very much
like to communicate with anyone who can provide me with information,
assistance or pointers to further research. I have been digging deeply
into the work of astronomers and scientists - from historical times to
the present.

Like everyone else I have always taken it for granted that NASA is
knocking up one first after another. But gradually over several months
some new thoughts have been dawning upon me and I wish to conduct
serious research into the following concept:
  Is NASA really at the cutting edge of space exploration?

Silly question? Perhaps. But hear me out.

BackGround: Top Secret Military Drones...
A friend of mine in National Intelligence in Pretoria told me some
years ago that a lot of Air Force work around the world was being
conducted on pilotless drones. He told me it was the "hot-button" of
major airforces around the world. He hinted at the existence of
pilotless, stealth bombers (which can drop nuclear bombs) and other
planes. He told me that most of these planes are tested at night in
various places. He told me that they regularly fly over Pretoria.

I made contact with an engineer in the USA. His work brings him into
contact with many new US aircraft projects. When I wrote about drone
research on Internet a year ago, this gentleman came forward and
confidentially gave me a few quiet pointers. He confirmed what my
friend in National Intelligence had been telling me.

In many places around the world people think they are seeing UFOs when
in fact they are witnessing airforce experiments. Example: Triangular
shaped craft flying around. Recently I think such an incident took
place near Phoenix. Much was made of it in UFO circles.

About 18 months ago, people in Pretoria saw a large bright light
floating over Pretoria. They called the Police. Some 120 police in
patrol cars began chasing this "UFO" across Pretoria at break-neck
speed and out into the country-side. Video footage was shot of this
incident. The Police radioed for a Police helicopter to assist in the
chase. The Police helicopter chased the "UFO" in the early hours of
the morning. Later the Pilot of the helicopter stated on National TV
that he'd seen a "UFO" and he even filed a report with one of the
International UFO societies. But during this incident the Police
control room radioed the South African Air Force base nearby to
immediately scramble a jet to intercept the UFO. The South African Air
Force refused the request. Didn't they care that 120 Policemen were
racing at breakneck speeds through Pretoria assisted by a helicopter?
Didn't they care that something foreign was in our air space? Or did
the SAAF know something which was too secret to tell the Police? Some
months later I had a braai (barbque) with my Intelligence friend. What
did he think of this "UFO". He laughed and told me (as he had done
before), that many strange things fly above Pretoria at night. He said
it was very possibly a misidentification of an "air force experiment."
This was when he told me some more about drones and elaborated some
more on what he knew about airforces around the world. His work had
brought him into contact with people in Europe and America and
sometimes he went on missions there. He knew quite a bit of what was
going in this field.

Later I mentioned this at a company I was doing consulting for, when a
guy there, Brian (whom I have known for many years), told me how he
had witnessed such a drone one day in 1972. He told me that he was
stationed at an Infantry base near Pretoria which bordered on
Swartkops AFB. There were rumours in the camp of a small airforce
plane. But most of the guys thought it was just a joke. They stood
guard in the various towers around the base. Brian confirmed what my
buddy had told me. That when nightfall came, and as soon as it was
properly dark, the little plane would take off. One night he had the
good fortune to see it. He saw a hanger door open and a tiny 12 ft
long plane came trundling out. He heard a slight whine, and the little
plane with a bullet-shaped nose and short stubby wings raced down the
runway and took off steeply into the dark night sky with no lights on.
As it became airborne a secondary engine seemed to kick in. The engine
was very quiet and it made more of a buzzing noise. Once it was high
enough you wouldn't hear it any more. The plane dissappeared into the
night sky. Two hours later he suddenly heard the buzzing noise again
and the little plane ducked down out of the dark night sky and landed
swiftly. No long winded process. It just dived down, landed neatly -
the hanger doors opened and within seconds the little plane
dissappeared from sight. It was all so fast and slick that to most of
the soldiers in the infantry base, right next to the runway - that
most of them considered it only a "rumour."

A similar thing happens at Groom Lake. My Intelligence friend
suggested I look more closely. Forget the UFO stories he told me. I
did research, stumbled upon various articles and revelations by a
former director of the Skunkworks. A year later I became convinced
that his analysis was spot-on. Lockheed Skunkworks is busy with a new
type of drone. I discovered for example that at Groom Lake one finds a
SMALL HANGER - and someone with a sense of humour has painted the
number "18" on it. (In UFO literature much is made of Hanger 18 where
UFO's are supposedly stored). Someone at the Skunkworks has a sense of
humour. Nice touch. And at night, a light is seen looping the loop
over Groom Lake and doing all manner of manoevres deep into the night.
It takes off, like it's protege at Swartkops - some time after dusk.
When people became too curious about this "American UFO" the USAF had
to engage in a land-grab to keep the curious at bay. Critics always
say "But what could possibly exist in such a small hanger? How can
that possibly be a secret?" Well, small aircraft are HOT SECRETS.

I asked my American Engineer informant what's the rationale behind the
light on the plane? His reply: "If you need accurate performance
statistics on a stealth aircraft then radar is no good - a light is
better." My friend the spy, tells me that there's also the issue of
'"responsibility." If you see a light at night which looks like the
proverbial "UFO" then you don't think: There goes the USAF/SAAF or the
Russians or whoever. His hints suggested that these lights may have
their uses in fooling other people in other countries. He hinted that
there is more to be gained from other people thinking they're being
visited by UFOs than them realising the they're being spied on by an
earthly power. Perhaps even, the troops might not want to report such
a sighting for the sake of being made fun of. So when all is said, it
would seem that there is much to be gained from this kind of spying.
Other possibilities exist too which I've not had a chance to dig into
- such a "close-up" spying on bases which one normally can't get near.
Has anyone ever bothered trying to fire an anti-aircraft missile at a
UFO? Would anyone dare?

The land with the most "UFO's" seems to be the USA. Either Aliens have
organised regular tourist trips to the "land of the free" or perhaps
the "UFO's" are actually American in origin to begin with?

Bottom Line: There's a lot of hot computer and aeronautical technology
out there in military circles. And they've been at these things for
decades. The Skunkworks D21 drone was classified for 25 years after it
had been shelved. Such is the secrecy which surrounds the existence of
drones.

USAF Space Plane....
Recently the Skunkworks won the contract for the next generation space
shuttle. In Popular Science they mentioned the radical design. A
single-stage, lifting-body, space plane, flown completely from start
to finish by a computer. It is cheap compared to the current shuttle
and it is a radical departure from the norm.

Popular Science mentioned that experienced aeronautical engineers
commented on the suspicious nature of the Skunkworks bid. It's
well-known that Skunkworks has developed the most radically advanced
aircraft created this century. The SR71 Blackbird; U-2 spyplane; F117a
Stealth bomber. These engineers commented that NASA is generally
conservative and likes to use proven technology. Engines must have
been functioning for at least 8 years before NASA will touch it for
their manned program. So how does the Skunkworks get away with this?
These engineers suggest that Skunkworks must have developed and flown
a Space Plane for the USAF - and this thing must have been flying for
at least 8 - 10 years already.

But where is it? We've never heard of it. Have you? I've never come
across a single rumour or ounce of evidence to support this idea.
Unless someone is keeping it a damned good secret - which I think is
entirely possible.

Clementine...
I was surprised when the Clementine satellite was launched and it was
sent off to map every square inch of the Moon. Then it set off for?
(Was it Venus?). What really surprised me was that Clementine was
supposed to be the first project funded by the Department of Defence
to leave Earth orbit. I'm curious. Since when does the Moon (or Venus?
Is it Venus?) have anything to do with US National Security? Why would
they want to map ever square inch of the Moon? The obsession with
mapping the Earth completely for military purposes has been an ongoing
project for some time. This data is stored in computer for the
navigation of missiles, drones, cruise missiles and military aircraft.
Is the Solar system being mapped for military purposes? Or has it
already been mapped?

ION Engines....
I remember reading a lot about the wonders of Ion engines back in the
1970's. They are low-impulse engines. i.e. they don't have much
"kick." But they have an incredible top-speed. They're ideal for solar
system exploration to the Outer planets. Why wait 10 years for a
Voyager when a constantly accelerating ION engine could send a probe
racing across the solar system at many times the speed of a
conventional rocket.

There is also another development worth noting - which I've never
heard anyone speak of. I saw an interview of a scientist who stated
that the next engine which we need to develop is a nuclear rocket
engine. It makes me think of the nuclear submarine. This was the
concept of a single Captain in the US Navy who decided to try sticking
a nuclear reactor in a submarine. He found it could be done and hey
presto he invented the nuclear submarine. How easy would it be to
produce a nuclear rocket engine with today's nuclear technology? I've
never heard of any work being done on it. Or has there been work on it
which we know nothing of?

But back to ION Engines. I vaguely remembered the ION engine, but
strangely no one writes about it any more. My buddy the spy had told
me this about drones: "You won't see anything about it in books and
magazines. The real stuff is all hush hush." I thought I was dreaming
about ion engines. Then I stumbled upon a book I'd had in the 1970's.
There it clearly stated, in 1972, that in the 1960's NASA had had a
working ION engine. It ran for 40 hours on a test bed - 30+ years ago.
It was supposed to be the next generation space probe engine. But it's
not.

Have Ion engines been classified and moved out of NASA's area?
Why didn't NASA ever make use of an idea so promising? Scientists were
saying what a hot idea this was and then.... poof.... the idea
dissappears from public view. Or is NASA not allowed to use it? Is it
perhaps the preside of the USAF?

USAF Space Exploration....
So I began wondering. Is it possible that the USAF has gone beyond
mere space planes - and has it already been scouting out the solar
system - AHEAD of NASA? I have noted some discrepancies in the history
of astronomy and I was digging into these issues. Then I began
wondering about this possibility...

So I decided to pose my Engineer informant the question. His response:
"Plenty." Of course he refuses to tell me more. Perhaps I'm being had.
But I'm wondering and seriously posing the question. However, he
promised me he'd point me in the right direction. He suggested I
contact the Federation of American Scientists - and he gave me a
contact name. I noted that they had a project which spoke of curbing
excessive Govt Secrecy. Currently I'm waiting for a reply from them.

But my question is this: Can anyone provide me with any further
thoughts, suggestions and contacts in this regard? No one seems to
have ever really dug into this problem (not that I know of). Is it
possible that the USAF has taken a greater interest in space
exploration than we may ever have thought? The exact rationale behind
it may be interesting. Could it be PERHAPS, as a suggestion, that all
these stories of UFOs have really been taken seriously all along, and
that the solar system was to be scouted ANYWAY? (Regardless of whether
anything was found or not).

If you can help, then please reply by e-mail as I do not always get a
chance to monitor this NewsGroup. Thank you, Jan.




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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:28:36 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:44:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast...

>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:35:15 -0500
>From: Scott Hale <shale@columbus.rr.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Sad events surrounding the UPN broadcast...

>I just thought I'd take a moment to record what happened on the
>internet AFTER the UPN video "abduction" broadcast. I help maintain
>EFnet's #UFO chat channel. What struck me as completely sad was the
>fact that there was actually a debate about the authenticity of the
>UPN show! The fact that there were credits after the program was over
>makes any debate completely worthless. It eventually took someone
>going onto the web to find a page that mentioned one of the actors in
>the video. At that point some of the people started to say things like
>"Ok.. I will ADMIT that it could be a hoax, but we have no proof of
>that yet..." Where do these people come from?! I know I shouldn't be
>suprised by this sort of thing by now, but still....

>I just don't know if I should be laughing or crying!

>Thanks,
>Scott K. Hale

Hiya Scott,

You wrote,

>I just don't know if I should be laughing or crying!

I think doing -both- is a healthy way to deal with it. <G>

"Simple people, the common clay, you know, . . . MORONS!"
(Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles)

Peace,

John Velez ;-)











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                              Re: My sightings

From: Andre P De Wet <dwetap@telkom.co.za>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:03:25 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:40:30 -0500
Subject: Re: My sightings

Hi all,

I would like to share with you two experiences I had of what one
can probably class as "sightings" of UFOs.

The first happened when I was about 14 years of age in 1976. My
dad, my friend and I was flying a kite that my dad built for me.
It was late in the afternoon about 5pm and the sun was hidden
behind some clouds. The light was still good enough for us to
clearly see the kite, which was about 200 meters out as measured
by the line left on the fishing reel which we used to fly it
with. We were facing the western horizon.

As we watched the kite, all three of us suddenly noticed a speck
of light moving behind the kite and above it, but obviously much
further from the ground than the kite. There was only one light
to start with and it was pulsating red when we first noticed it.
It was moving very slowly from west to east across the sky.
Relative to our location it was moving slightly from the centre
of our horizon to above our heads slightly to the south. Judging
by my hand held at arm's length, it was moving at about 1 finger
width per minute.

The color changed from pulsating red to solid green for about a
minute and then to solid orange for another minute. The light
then seperated into 4 smaller red lights which turned to a bright
white about 10 seconds later.

The lights were now at about 50 degrees above the western
horizon. About two seconds after changing to white, the four
lights departed in four different directions, the outer two at
about 85 degrees to the original direction.

Up to that point we were still thinking that it was some sort of
terrestrial aircraft displaying some very bright lights, but the
seperation into four lights and the speed at which the lights
departed and shot over the horizon made us gasp in amazement.
This happened in less than one second!

The second happened about a year later. I was cycling home from
visiting with a friend of mine at about 7pm. I was travelling on
a road next to a open piece of land covered with tall grass and
small shrubs, what we in South Africa call "veld".

The night sky was suddenly lit up by a bright shining light that
was so intense that it immediately drew my attention. I looked
around for the source of the light and noticed a large spherical
shape in the sky over the veld. I stopped my bicycle and got off
to observe it. I guess that it was about 50 meters from the
ground and it was about 100 meters from me as the crow flies.

The ball of light was decending towards the ground/grass and when
it touched the ground, it seemed to grow more intense for a
moment and then went dark. I was scared and did not want to
investigate further by myself. I got on my bicycle and went
home.

The next day I told my friend about this and he insisted that we
go and investigate the place where it happened. When we got to
the place, now in broad daylight, we observed a burned or
scorched circle in the veld. All the vegetation was burned to a
crisp as if there was a veld fire. The peculiar thing was that
it was perfectly circular and measured 10 meters in diameter.

We did not report any of this to the police or whoever. Speaking
to various people later, they told of similar phenomena that they
observed. One of the people suggested that it was something
called "ball lightning".

I can not say that what we saw was non-terrestrial in origin, but
it sure was peculiar.

Any comments?

Andre








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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:57:43 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:52:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:08:41 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> Stanton,

> I seriously mean no disrespect, but I can't really imagine the
> nonufological public staying tuned to this piece of garbage. I am
> embarrassed to admit that I watched the whole thing. It was truly
> pathetic.

> Your responses to questions on abductions were probably good, but
> I have no idea because I just couldn't get past the total
> amazement I had at how the producers edited the comments. We knew
> you could not have possibly been talking about the video snippets
> we had witnessed because we know you Stan.

> I'm curious about what the producers (who were they BTW?) told
> you about the videotape? Did they tell you it was real? Did they
> tell you it involved actors? Did you have some kind of contract
> that prohibits you from telling us what they told you?

> At least one of the commentators, a Gary somebody (a psychologist
> OR maybe he just plays one on TV) certainly appeared to have seen
> the video of the family because he made comments about specific
> points. Yvonne left me with the same impression.

> I can say, nothing you said, made that video look real. I don't
> think ANYONE could have said anything to make it look real.
> However, your comments, to the unititiated (If they were
> watching) could have given some credence to the video. These
> would have to be real low intelligence viewers though.
>
> Rebecca


Rebecca:

I was called Dec. 31 by an independent producer about being
interviewed.

Arrangements were made on Jan. 1. I flew out on Jan. 2, was
interviewed on Jan. 3 and flew back that night after visiting my
daughter. I was told almost nothing about the video. I knew that
they had talked to Yvonne Smith. In a casual aside after I asked
a pointed question the comment was made that the video was
proabbly a tbesis. The new guys were brought in to make a really
terrible show better.. Lord knows what it was originally like. Do
remember that most people are not well versed on UFOs. They may
have been more interested in what the "experts" said than the
story. I can't wait to see it. <grin>

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:20:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:18:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:36:23 -0400
>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


>> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:22:33 +0100
>> From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


>> > From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>> > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
>> > To: updates@globalserve.net
>> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>> > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
>> > >  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
>> > >  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
>> > >  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

>> > >  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
>> > >  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
>> > >  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
>> > >  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
>> > >  program. Any thoughts?

>> > Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
>> > anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
>> > scrolled and the actors names were listed?

>> > Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
>> > psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

>> > The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
>> > expect on production like this. Media hogs.

>> > I have to kind of agree with Steve Kaeser that it appeared that
>> > the people commenting hadn't actually seen the production. Except
>> > that child psychologist Gary (? Never heard of him before) who
>> > said the child was assuming the adult roles, blah, blah, blah. I
>> > forget what all he said because I was laughing so hard. Hope this
>> > guy isn't licensed.

>> > Rebecca

>> Hi Rebecca,

>> At this end of Canada, the east coast, none of us-except maybe
>> Stan Friedman-have a clue what the heck this UPI show is. We
>> don't get it over here, nor "Sightings" which I've been on or
>> "Strange Universe" which I've been on- if that's still going.
>> It's a safe bet that Stan hasn't seen it unless they sent him a
>> promo copy.

>> "Sightings" in mine and Chris Styles' case was fairly accurate
>> [we received a promo copy] as was Strange Universe from what I've
>> been told. So I suggest that you give Stan the benefit of the
>> doubt on this one because dollars to donuts he hasn't seen it.
>> Judging from all the comments the "talent" [Stan, etc.] were
>> shuffled around in the edit suite so as to make chocolate chip
>> cookies out of raisen bread.

>> Don Ledger
>> Who is in the biz.

>Right on Don. I didn't see the show last night. I didn't see the
>video. I wasn't asked about the video. I gave no opinions about
>the video. I see no reason to say the video is real when actors
>are listed at the end of the show as I gather they were.

>Stan Friedman

Hi Stan, hi All,

Stan, they edited your comments in (as needed) in support of what
was being portrayed on the screen. It was obvious to anyone who
knows you that you were talking about the phenomenon and that you
weren't talking about the video. But to anyone who doesn't, the
impression was that you were somehow in support of the video
itself. It would be an easy assumption for a viewer who is
unfamiliar with either abduction or your work to make.

BTW, I missed the credits at the end and my 'review' was based
solely on the 'quality' of the video itself. One more for Stan...
I don't think many are going to argue about the 'content' of your
statements. I for one was surprised to learn how open minded you
are on the subject. I had never heard your views on abduction
before. Speaking strictly as an experiencer, I found it heart
warming!

Warmest regards to you and your family Stan.

Peace,

John Velez

PS- I am mad at UPN for not being -more honest- about this
presentation. An awful lot of people apparently thought, (and
still think) that the damn thing was real! Piss poor man. They
ought to be called on the carpet for this one.





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MSNBC on the Internet Highlights, January 23 30 MSNBC on the Internet (http:
//www.msnbc.com) When you really want to know.

                        Note: schedule subject to change

    THIS WEEK:  The "Interactive" State of the Union... The Search for
Extraterrestrials... The Operating Rooms of the Next Millennium Super Bowl
Coverage...

    INTERACTIVE CO-PRODUCTIONS WITH NBC NEWS:

    Friday, January 23:  "Today - The Arthritis Cure" - The authors of two
books supporting a new treatment for arthritis answer questions about what the
treatment will and will not do.

    Friday, January 23:  "Dateline NBC - The Stop Smoking Pill" - A look at
the new "stop smoking pill," zyban.

    Friday, January 23:  "Dateline NBC - Think You Could Be a Victim of a
Scam?" - Most people believe they're too smart, yet hundreds lose thousands of
dollars every year. Some consumer advice.

    Friday, January 23:  "NBC News - He is Alleged to be One of the Worst
Terrorists in U.S. History" - A look back at the NBC News coverage of the hunt
for the Unabomber.

    Tuesday, January 27:  "The 'Interactive' State of the Union" - As the
President fights for his political life, he addresses the nation and sets
forth his vision for the country in his annual State of the Union speech. A
look at the issues Clinton raises, complete with comprehensive reports and
analysis following the speech, as well as the opportunity for users to
participate in simultaneous chat.

    Tuesday, January 27:  "Dateline NBC - New Bacteria Are Gaining Increasing
Resistance to Antibiotics" - A look at what can be done to fight them.

    CHATS:

    Weekdays, 6-9 a.m. ET:  "Imus in the Morning" - Chat with other fans of
Don Imus during his program every weekday morning.     Tuesday, January 27,
8:00 p.m. ET:  "The State of the Union" - Chat during the President's State of
the Union address.  Feature includes live video and audio, as well as a
transcript of the speech.

    Weekdays, 3-8 p.m. ET, Weekends 4-6 p.m. ET:  "NewsChat" - Chat about the
news events of the day.

    NEWS:

    Wednesday, January 28:  "Whither the Conservatives?" - Voters want to hear
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             Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:48:16 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:14:47 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors


> From: petekaz@erols.com, Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:06:52 +0100
> Subject: Fwd: UPN Movie Closing Credits List Names Of Actors

> Interesting comment on the UPN abduction video. Received via
> "alt.alien.research" January 21 at 23.59 local time (GMT+ 1 hour):

> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:52:25 -0500
> From: Peter Kazlouski <petekaz@erols.com>
> Subject: UPN abduction TV movie closing credits list names of alien
> ACTORS ! SCREAMING OUTRAGE !!
> Message-ID: <34C67C29.F9E5B72@erols.com>

> The SMALL closing credits include:
> Shari Khademi     as Alien 1
> Myles Wolf          as Alien 2

> So there is no possible doubt, UPN admitted this OUTRAGEOUS HOAX that
> they had been repeatedly claiming to be REAL. Since most people dont
> read closing credits, they would need time to realize how badly done
> the presentation was.

> UPN IS IN BIG TROUBLE. FRAUD IS ILLEGAL, AND WHAT THEY PERPETRATED WAS
> F R A U D.

I doubt that any fraud charges will ever stick. Their credits
clearly indicated it was a staged production.

Further, no one in the serious research community thought for a
*minute* that it was a "real" abduction. It's like arguing that
"Sabrina" episodes aren't billed as fantasy, so that show also is
a fraud.

Good grief.


--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
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                       UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:59:04 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:52:33 -0500
Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

Just thought everyone would be interested to know that there are
a number of people believed "Incident at Lake County" was a real
event.  If the UPN online poll is to be believed, about 16,000
votes have been cast at their web site indicated whether they
believed the video to be real or not.  The tally so far:

        8,198 believed it was a real event

        8,740 believed it was a fake event

I guess about half the audience couldn't (or at least didn't) read the
credits. . .<g>

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:54:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


 >From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
 >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:13 EST
 >To: updates@globalserve.net
 >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


 >From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
 >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:49:48 EST
 >To: updates@globalserve.net
 >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


 >>>  Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:26:18 -0700
 >>>  From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
 >>>  To: Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>>  Subject: Comments on the UPN thing

 >>>  Stan Friedman and Derrel Sims have both contributed opinions and
 >>>  comments to this list in the past. After watching the UPN special
 >>>  last night I couldn't help wondering if either of these two
 >>>  gentlemen had any regrets about agreeing to do interviews for the
 >>>  program. Any thoughts?

 >>Judging by all the responses on this list, I'm wondering if
 >>anyone caught the very end of the program where the credits were
 >>scrolled and the actors names were listed?

 >>Stan should be ashamed of himself, as should the woman
 >>psychologist (Yvonne?) from California.

 >>The rest of the experts didn't surprise me. Just what one would
 >>expect on production like this. Media hogs.

 <<snip>>

 >Hello List,

 >I would like to add a few comments from a Media point of view.

 >First:
 >Not all of the folks in the media misrepresent. Editing is
 >necessary due to the limitations of time.

 >Second:
 >Some do! Unless you live in a cave you know very well who the
 >misrepresenters are. (They have been doing it for years and they
 >still are!)

 >Third:
 >I would not consider insulting the intelligence of old media pros
 >such as, Stan Friedman, Darrell Simms, Yvonne Smith, etal, by
 >saying that they didn't know what they were getting into. Of
 >course they did!  They have all done it many, many times before.
 >And many times for the same producers and programs. (Bob Kiviat)
 >(Sightings, A&E, TLC, Sci-Fi, Channel, and more talk show hosts
 >than I care to list) and each time they signed a standard
 >industry release allowing the producers to edit as they please.

 >Fourth:
 >If you don't want to be misquoted or misrepresented don't sit
 >down for interviews!
 >As a person who sticks cameras in people's faces for a living I
 >know all about the lure of the spotlight. I am also aware of the
 >dubious practice of sucking someone onto a program under false
 >pretenses. Years ago I was asked to appear on the Montel Williams
 >Show. The topic was to be the Government involve- ment in UFO
 >coverups and they wanted a documentarians point of view. It was
 >not the topic at all but rather a typical confronta- tional show
 >with the "Good Guys vs the Bad Guys." full of misquotes and B.S.
 >editing.

 >Fool me once...shame on you!
 >Fool me twice...shame on me!

 >Last but not least:
 >Kudos to John Velez for knowing better and shining it on!

 >Keep an open mind,
 >Russ Estes

First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
Kiviat. Too often we scream disinformation when we don't like the
tone of the information out there.

Second, I think it is important that we focus on the agenda of
the UFO community. We all have expressed a desire to elevate it
into the scientific arena. We all talk a good game, but too often
it is only talk.

John Velez, to his credit, rejected this spotlight and warned us
about the tone it would take. Others sought the spotlight and now
complain that they hadn't seen the completed project and didn't
know the form it would take. For those of you out there who have
had the opportunity to appear on television, when was the last
time that you saw the finished product BEFORE it was aired? And
if you did, could you have done anything to change it?

Are some of us so hungry for the spotlight that we will accept
any opportunity, even when it is telegraphed to us that the
program will be less than credible? Is John so clever that he can
see these things when others can't? If offered the opportunity to
appear in the pages of the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS wouldn't most of us
decline because of the forum?

Personally, I will not appear on a stage, or a conference in
which Don Schmitt appears. He has badly damaged ufology in
general and the Roswell case in particular. By showing up to
appear with him, I am, tacitly, endorsing him. Why do that now
that we know what he is?

By the same token, should the leaders of the UFO community, or
the self-appointed leaders, lend their names to a program like
the UPN show? When something like this happens, and the
scientific and journalistic communities see it, and know, like
the rest of it that it is a hoax, doesn't that detract from the
rest of us. Aren't we, by our participation, suggesting that we
approve of the program? And if we participated, shouldn't we be
held accountable for that participation, rather than attempting
to alibi it by suggesting that we didn't know what would happen?

Those of us who have been on these programs in the past know that
we will be lied to. We know that those producing the programs,
with few exceptions, know nothing about the field and couldn't
care less. They want an entertaining program and will do what is
necessary to produce it, for ratings mean money and ratings mean
another opportunity to produce something else.

Here the clue should have been Bob Kiviat. He produced the Alien
Autopsy fraud. That should have been enough to suggest that those
who appeared on the show should have given it a pass. We all know
that Kiviat edited his shows to put all the aired segments in the
best light and he cared nothing about the facts. I stood in the
kitchen of the home that had once been owned by Jesse Marcel and
listened to the director of the Alien Autopsy flat out lie to
me.

Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
ourselves in the foot.

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From: Scott Hale <shale@columbus.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:29:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:48:12 -0500
Subject: Re: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver

DISCLAIMER- 95% of the following reply is either sarcasm, satire,
or both. If you don't like it, that's fine... just don't think
that I'm being completely serious here.

I'm swinging  my pen helplessly in mid-air here, because it probably
won't reach the author, but here goes....


> From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
> Sender: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:23:15 +0100
> Subject: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver Interviewed

> >From the "Virtually Northwest" online. URL:

> http://www.virtuallynorthwest.com/stories/1998/Jan/18/S334915.asp

> Stig

> *******

> Sunday

> January 18, 1998

> SPOKANE

> Spokane native helped crash Roswell's party

> Little green men are green, Doug Clark muses, because that's the color
> of money.

> Scorched UFO buffs call him a real Man in Black.

Wonder who this might be? Granted, I don't necessarily believe
Mogul or the aliens at this point, but he hasn't exactly been
direct in answering ANY objections regarding his report.


> To spaced-out believers, Richard Weaver is a gatekeeper for the U.S.
> government's conspiracy to hush up the fact that a saucer full of
> cosmic commuters once took a tumble out among the New Mexico
> tumbleweeds.

Now I just have have to laugh at this point. Who would think that
a Col. in the USAF is "gatekeeper" for a UFO cover-up. The mere
idea is absurd. Although I wouldn't put it past some
believers...

> But the 50-year-old Spokane native says he got cheated if his critics
> are correct.

> "I never got the watch or the cool sunglasses," complains Weaver,
> referring to "Men in Black" -- last year's science-fiction blockbuster
> about a clandestine agency that keeps tabs on interstellar travelers.

How clever, and so vital to a good article on Roswell. Discussion
about Ray Bans.

> Now retired from the Air Force, Weaver was a colonel assigned to the
> Office of Special Investigations when he co-wrote the 1994 Air Force
> study that debunked the famed "Roswell Incident."

Did he really debunk it or just add new trash to the already
overflowing heap?

> The Virginia resident was in Spokane this week visiting family members.
> A Shadle Park High and Washington State University grad, Weaver took an
> afternoon off to talk about his "Roswell Report -- Fact vs. Fiction in
> the New Mexico Desert."

Sounds like he took an afternoon off to chat about UFO kooks and
Men in Black.

> As thick as the city's phone book, the document explores the July 1947
> recovery of pieces of a strange "flying disk" on a ranch near Roswell,
> N.M. "We literally tried to do our best," he says. "It was never me
> against the UFO people."

Great.. it's a big report. A ton of information that goes a long
way in showing nothing. If anything it helps prove it's own
hypothesis wrong.

> What was found in the desert a half-century ago was totally
> terrestrial, the report concludes. The flimsy wreckage came from an
> experimental high-altitude balloon deployed to eavesdrop on Russian
> nuclear tests.

Substance... I'm impressed!(Really.. Journalists hold themselves
to such high standards today. They should really cut back and
talk about sunglasses more...)

> Such an earthly explanation predictably sent the UFO community into
> orbit.

into orbit... wow... this is class "A" material! Remind me to
write it all down... I don't think anything went into orbit. In
fact, I recall several interesting replies that were quite
logical and gave both sides something to think about.

> "The Air Force is lying through its teeth," groused renowned UFO
> proponent Stanton Friedman, when asked in a 1996 interview about the
> "Roswell Report." "... Boy did the Air Force supply the fiction."

He groused? I had to look it up myself. Interesting word tho...

> The sandy-haired Weaver is amused by the ruckus that put him in the
> national media spotlight.

Is he also amused that he was able to write a report on the
Roswell Incident, yet ignore every witness who diagreed with his
pre-formed conclusion sent to him by Robert Todd? Oh.. he
included Sallie Tadolini, but somehow the interesting aspects of
her testimony were.... gasp.. deleted from the report. Isn't it
also humorous that Sheridan Cavitt managed to somehow remember
suddenly that he was in fact in Roswell right before the USAF
started it's investigation?

> "I got anonymous telephone calls. I got hate faxes from people
> questioning my sanity and even my parentage. I never received a direct
> "I will kill you," but there were a lot of veiled threats," he says.

I will kill you.... hehe.. just kidding. Couldn't resist. I don't
question your sanity, just your reliability.

> "Some were in German, French and Russian. I couldn't read them, but SOB
> sort of looks the same in any language."

Really? Have we already run out of substance?

> Weaver insists, however, that he never wanted his name linked to little
> green men. "I'd like to be remembered for putting killers and rapists
> in jail. Instead, I'll be the guy who did the study on all this goofy
> UFO stuff."

You did a study on all this goofy UFO stuff? If I recall
correctly, you did a study on a top secret project to detect
Russian blasts and used that as a solution to ONE UFO case. I
don't remember you studying any other "goofy UFO stuff".

> For much of his 28 years in the Air Force, Weaver probed crimes and
> helped keep the lid on real secrets like the Stealth and B-2 bombers.

And what a wonderful job he did. Didn't Testors have a model
airplane version of the F117 and B-2 before they were
declassified? Oh.. yeah.. sorry.

> Then, in 1994, he was given the job of focusing his sleuthing skills on
> Roswell. That came after U.S. Congressman Steven Schiff, R-New Mexico,
> filed a request for information regarding the alleged saucer crash.

> Schiff got more than he bargained for. Weaver led a staff of crack
> researchers who spent eight months investigating the case.

Crack researchers? So that's what they've been taking. And at
only 1,000,000 dollars expense? I'm proud!

> You don't have to be Rocketman to see the Roswell Incident for the load
> of horse twaddle it is.

No, you just have to ignore a great deal of information and
continue leading your sanatized lives. Am I the only one here who
sees that neither side has proven their case yet?

> Back in 1947, this was only a two-day news story that ended when the
> sticks and foil found were ruled to have come from a weather balloon.
> Space aliens didn't even enter the picture until decades later, when
> kooks like Friedman and others started spouting off and selling books.

kooks? Is that a technical term? So they just stared writing
books huh? That's right. Friedman started the Roswell craze by
saying "I'll start spouting off and sell books about Roswell, and
hundreds of people will come forward and lie to make sure I get
dinner on the table."  Also, If I remember correctly, other major
news events were "only two-day news stories".

> Now Roswell's space fantasy has evolved into its main industry. The
> small city has three alien museums. The saucer crash is actively
> promoted through the Chamber of Commerce.

Well no kidding... can you really blame them?

> Why? Because big money is to be made.

There's money to be made anywhere. Just because lots of people
write books on the Kennedy Assassination, half of them full of
crap, doesn't mean that Kennedy isn't dead...

> Last summer's 50th anniversary party was a galactic blowout that packed
> Roswell with a horde of costumed wackos. It was, says Weaver, "a cross
> between Woodstock and a meeting for the insane."

costumed wackos? Hold on tiger.. you're using those technical
terms again and they're confusing the bageebers out of me!

> There probably is a conspiracy afoot. It is with UFO hucksters who
> can't afford to let truth get in the way of such a lucrative scam.

oops.. you caught me. Now I'll just have to give back all that
time I've spent looking into the UFO phenomenon. The scams are
there, but I'm sick of the generalizations...

> "This is logic vs. emotion," says the government's Man in Black.
> "Roswell has become like Paul Bunyan. It's a myth that people believe."

By definition, all myths are based in truth. What, Paul Bunyan
didn't exist?! Oh no!!! Sob...

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I dunno.. no profanity... I might not be able to handle it! I
might just have to break down and start ranting and screaming
obscenaties all over the place(Oh Mr. Todd... are you out
there?)....

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             Re: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...

From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:26:52 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:48:50 -0500
Subject: Re: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...


> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:31 +0200
> From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: USAF: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...
>       -Forwarded


hmm where to start on this thing?..

> USAF Space Plane....
> Recently the Skunkworks won the contract for the next generation space
> shuttle. In Popular Science they mentioned the radical design. A
> single-stage, lifting-body, space plane, flown completely from start
> to finish by a computer. It is cheap compared to the current shuttle
> and it is a radical departure from the norm.

<snip>

> NASA is generally
> conservative and likes to use proven technology. Engines must have
> been functioning for at least 8 years before NASA will touch it for
> their manned program.

I assume he's refering to the X-33/Venturestar, first of all its
not all THAT radical a design, its heritage goes back to the late
60s when several alternate concepts were being thrown around for
what became the space shuttle. True, an Aerospike angine has
never been flown (at least in the "white world") but again its
not a new concept... Rocketdyne was pushing them back in the
early 60s and theyve been ground fired many times.

NASA has a SR-71 fitted with a small mock-up aerospike to test
the concept in flight, then the X-33 will test it in hypersonic
high altitude flight. Only then will a decision be made whether
to go ahead with the space-worthy "VentureStar" which intially at
least is NOT intended to be a manned spacecraft

> These engineers suggest that Skunkworks must have developed and flown
> a Space Plane for the USAF - and this thing must have been flying for
> at least 8 - 10 years already.
> But where is it? We've never heard of it. Have you? I've never come
> across a single rumour or ounce of evidence to support this idea.

For the last 10 years magazines such as Pop. Sci and even
Aviation Week have been full of rumours about exotic "Black" or
secret aircraft and exotic propulsion technology... craft such as
the "pumpkin seed", the "XB-70-alike" mothership etc and not
forgetting what is commonly refered to as "Aurora"... whether any
of these are connected with secret miltary spaceplanes is a
matter for debate... but I wouldnt be surprised if one-off
testbeds had been constructed in secret. The USAF has
periodically since the 1950s openly wished for a spaceplane... at
least openly, theyve been foiled everytime... but there's been
alot of studies.

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                                Re: UPN video

From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:28:58 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:39:54 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN video

Hello all!

I am shocked!  I talked to someone today who said
they felt the UPN Video was authentic.  Even though
she is 7 years old, she should know better!

Two easy points...
(1) No delay between the transformer flash and the
     sound of the explosion.
(2) The videographer just happened to know which
     lamps were going to shatter as the camera panned
     to each one just in time for the explosions.

There may be other obvious flaws, but I will not sub-
ject myself to watching it again. I am through with it!

Regards,
Paul









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From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:44:33 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:54:37 -0500
Subject: Re: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space


> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:05:31 +0200
> From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: USAF: The Case for the Secret Exploration of Space...
>       -Forwarded


>Clementine...
>I was surprised when the Clementine satellite was launched and it was
>sent off to map every square inch of the Moon. Then it set off for?
>(Was it Venus?). What really surprised me was that Clementine was
>supposed to be the first project funded by the Department of Defence
>to leave Earth orbit. I'm curious. Since when does the Moon (or Venus?
>Is it Venus?) have anything to do with US National Security? Why would
>they want to map ever square inch of the Moon?

Clementine was a sensor test bed for the BMDO (ex SDI) it was
intended to also get close to an asteroid (not Venus) but a
malfunction ended that plan. They strung a bunch of "cheap"
cameras and systems together and then looked for a good test for
them..the moon looked good and it would have a nice science
payoff for them too (good for PR too). Similar sensor tests
continue with the MSTI series of satellites launched into earth
orbit..I assume the US thinks missile defence is a national
security issue..

>ION Engines....
>I remember reading a lot about the wonders of Ion engines back in the
>1970's. They are low-impulse engines. i.e. they don't have much
>"kick."

<snip>

>There is also another development worth noting - which I've never
>heard anyone speak of. I saw an interview of a scientist who stated
>that the next engine which we need to develop is a nuclear rocket
>engine.

Nuclear rocket engine designs have been around since the 1950s

>It makes me think of the nuclear submarine. This was the
>concept of a single Captain in the US Navy who decided to try sticking
>a nuclear reactor in a submarine. He found it could be done and hey
>presto he invented the nuclear submarine.

I belive he refers to Adm. Rickover here..

>How easy would it be to
>produce a nuclear rocket engine with today's nuclear technology? I've
>never heard of any work being done on it. Or has there been work on it
>which we know nothing of?

There's been PLENTY of work on Nuclear engines done... sheesh...
a 5 minute search on the internet will pull up alot of material.
Projects such as NERVA, DUMBO were large efforts in the 1960s,,
more recently there was the classified (and leaked) TIMBERWIND...
all of those were nuclear-thermal designs (ie... throw hydrogen
over a hot reactor and make the result vent out the back)...
there are many other concepts... including things like the Orion
"blast our way into space with atom bombs behind us" and assorted
nuclear-electric schemes. No doubt there was/is plenty of secret
work in this area too.

>But back to ION Engines. I vaguely remembered the ION engine, but
>strangely no one writes about it any more. My buddy the spy had told
>me this about drones: "You won't see anything about it in books and
>magazines. The real stuff is all hush hush." I thought I was dreaming
>about ion engines.

This is so much BS, there's nothing secret about Ion engines...
again a WWW search will find plenty. Entire books have been
written on them... small ion engines have been put into
production for "Station-keeping thrusters" on communication
satellites etc etc

>Then I stumbled upon a book I'd had in the 1970's.
>There it clearly stated, in 1972, that in the 1960's NASA had had a
>working ION engine. It ran for 40 hours on a test bed - 30+ years ago.
>It was supposed to be the next generation space probe engine. But it's
>not.

Work on them continued thru the 70s until today where they
finally have truely reliable working engines. One is about to be
used on NASA's "Deep Space-1" space probe, to be launched this
year I understand.

>Have Ion engines been classified and moved out of NASA's area?

No

>Why didn't NASA ever make use of an idea so promising? Scientists were
>saying what a hot idea this was and then.... poof.... the idea
>dissappears from public view.

He obviously hasn't been looking too hard then

Kerry










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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:10 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:50:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>  Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:22 -0500
>  From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>  Not very likely. Lake County is in the northeastern point of the
>  state. Bordered on the south by the north shore of Lake Superior,
>  and the Canadian border on the north.

>  They tend to get snowed under earlier in the year than we do in
>  the central part of the state. Early frosts remove all green from
>  the grass by at least November 1. Often much earlier.

>  I didn't see the program. Did they give a name of the town or
>  township?

Not that I am aware of, Theresa. I saw it listed as Lake County,
MN. The grass was very green but it doesn't really matter, now
that we know actors were involved.

According to Michael Lindemann there were 21 actors listed in the
credits of the program. George Fergus was right on the money a
couple of weeks ago when his eagle spotted a kid actor he
recognized. Apparently the only people who were not actors were
Stanton, Derrel, Yvonne and Michael Shermer.

I'm just glad that we are not having to duke out the validity of
this video with the true believers.

Rebecca








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                Dr. Edgar Mitchell - Notes from The Prophets

From: prophets@maui.net
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:36:46 -1000
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:43:22 -0500
Subject: Dr. Edgar Mitchell - Notes from The Prophets

The Associated Press brought national and international
recognition to the comments expressed by Dr. Edgar Mitchell at
The Prophets Conference presented by Axiom last October.  The
following excerpt by Dr. Mitchell is of significant interest to
those concerned with the truth.

Following the Prophets Conference remarks presented by Dr. Steven
Greer regarding technology and efforts to brief government
officials on the UFO phenomena, Dr. Edgar Mitchell responded by
saying...

"I'd like to add a bit to what Steven (Dr. Steven Greer) had to
say.  It was a marvelous report, but what I'd like to add to it
is that in our briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Intelligence
Group, it became very clear to us that they were naive.  They did
not really know any more about this effort than we do, if as
much. That is because, as Bob Dean pointed out earlier, most of
the people in government were not in government when I retired
twenty five years ago, they are younger people.  The files going
back fifty years just no longer exist.  They've either been
purged, compromised or whatever.  They don't exist.  So when we
blame government for not being forthright, they really don't have
anything to be forthright about, at least at that level.  Now,
somewhere there's knowledgeable people, and Steven has ferreted
out quite a few of them.  And in my own efforts in talking with
these folks, and talking with government, the question often
comes up as to how they could have kept this a secret for so
long.  And friends they haven't.  It's been around us all the
time, but it has been denied, and obscured.

I often like to state the condition, the story, the myth if you
will, about Columbus coming here and some of the Indians not
seeing the ships simply because it was not in their collective
consciousness and their repertoire, they at least didn't want to
see them.  Much of what we're seeing now is what many people
don't want to see either.  There's been a massive effort at
creating that, of denying the obvious, of saying that you're not
seeing what's sitting right in front of you right now, thus
causing doubt in your own mind.  It's amazingly effective.  So,
documentation and evidence, that is probably the smoking gun type
of evidence, has been totally compromised by saying that it's
simply not true.  So it is not true that they (government) have
kept the secret.  They haven't kept the secret, but it has been
totally compromised by misinformation and disinformation.

Now for my own experience, I have had no first hand experience
like so many of you. I have not encountered a UFO, and we did not
have them trailing, us as far as we know, going to the moon.  We
didn't meet anyone on the moon.
We did it just like we said we did.  For the last twenty-five
years we have dealt with the issue of, on one hand, the
flat-earthers who said, 'you didn't go anywhere, it was all
filmed out here in the desert,' and on the other hand, another
fringe that said, 'yes you have been there, but you were
followed.  You were in contact with UFOs.  There were beings on
the moon that you met and had contact with.'  Well, that's not
true either.  So, we have walked between these two extremes of
misinformation, disinformation and pure ignorance.  We did what
we said we did, and I want to assure you, from that period up
until the current time, NASA was one of the organizations
ignorant of this type of activity.  And the prevailing wisdom in
NASA (at-the-time) was that we didn't even think about it.  It
was a ridiculous idea that we would encounter beings on the moon.


However, in the last twenty-five years since that time, I became
quite knowledgeable and became friends with Allan Hynek.  I know
and work with Jacques Vallee consistently now, and I have known
the gentlemen on this stage, Bob Dean and Steven Greer for a few
years.  For me with all the evidence, it's not a matter of
believing, it's a matter of the preponderance of evidence, and
the evidence keeps building.  The sightings keep happening.
So it is clear that if they are ET, and I will question some of
the sightings as to if they are ET, they are making their
presence known.  I also think that the prevalence in the modern
era of so many events - the sightings, the continual mutilation
events, the so-called abduction events - that we are looking at
likely reversed engineered technology in the hands of humans that
are not under government control or any type of high level
control.  I find that quite alarming.

With regard to the technology itself, I work with folks who do
know what is in our technological data base and what is available
to modern armies.  The so-called ET technology, the ability to
have silent engines and flying machines that make no sound,
flying machines that have the characteristics that are consistent
with reproduction of UFO sightings, are not in any nations
arsenal, but they do exist.  So if there are back engineered
technologies existing, they are probably in the hands of this
group of individuals, formerly government, formerly perhaps
intelligence, formerly, under private sector control with some
sort of oversight by military or by government.  But this
(oversight) is  likely no longer the case as a result of this
access denied category that is now operating.  I call it a
clandestine group.  The technology is not in our military
arsenals anywhere in the world, but it does exist, and to me
that's quite disconcerting.

I do work with a number of groups.  We do know about some of the
things that the technologies are used for, and I want to assure
you that these technologies are not that far beyond our current
state of knowledge.  Now understanding it scientifically,
understanding how it can be, is a long way from having a fully
developed usable technology.  But if in our knowledge we can
understand how it has to be in order to create that technology,
we're not that far away.  So I want to assure you that we're not
talking about technologies that are so farfetched that we can't
understand them.  They're just beyond the technological horizon.


I want to tell you that it doesn't appear we need to be using
ultra-dimensions and wormholes, etc., for this.  It looks like
our three dimensional or four dimensional space-time universe is
about what it appears to be, and that we can operate within that
space-time universe with these types of technologies.  We have
tended, like the ancients of old, to have invented myths about
too many dimensions and time travel, wormhole travel, etc., and
it doesn't look like that's necessary to explain what we're
seeing."

_________________________________________

On January 31,  1971, Navy Captain Dr. Edgar Mitchell embarked on
a journey of over 500,000 miles in outer space, that resulted in
him becoming the sixth man to walk on the moon, during Apollo 14.
This historic journey ended safely nine days later on February 9,
1971 and was made with two other men of valor - Admiral Alan
Shepard and Colonel Stuart Roosa.

Scientist, test pilot, navel officer, astronaut, entrepreneur,
author and lecturer, Dr. Mitchell's extraordinary career
personifies humankind's eternal thrust to widen its horizons as
well as its inner soul.

His academic background includes a Bachelor of Science in
Industrial Management from Carnegie Mellon University, a Master
of Science from the U.S. Navel Postgraduate School and a Doctor
of Science in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology. In addition he has received honorary
doctorates in engineering from New Mexico State University, the
University of Akron and Carnegie Mellon.

Dr Mitchell has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom,
the USN Distinguished Service Medal, the NASA Distinguished
Medal, and three NASA Group Achievement Awards.

After retiring from the Navy in 1972, Dr. Mitchell founded the
Institute of Noetic Sciences to sponsor research into the nature
of consciousness as it relates to cosmology and causality.

For More Information - http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/tapes.html

The Prophets Conferences are presented by Axiom and G. Cody
Johnson.
visit - http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Prophets
Conferences - are presented by AXIOM
http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/

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                Skywatch Hour chat with author Chris O'Brien

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:32:47 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:09:29 -0500
Subject: Skywatch Hour chat with author Chris O'Brien

On Jan 25th, 6:00pm, PT, The Skywatch Hour chat's
special guest will be noted UFO author and Skywatch's
Chief Investigator, Chris O'Brien, from the Mysterious
Valley near Alamosa, Colorado.

We'll be discussing the recent UFO flap there, and the
history of cattle mutulations, (the Mysterious Valley
is the site of the first 'Mute" in history, old "snippie",
the horse, in 1967).

O'Briens book, "The Mysterious Valley" is a real eye
opener, If you dont believe that something strange is
going on here on Earth, read his book and you will...
This chat is available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC
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                          AP On UPN Abduction Video

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:38:11 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:10:59 -0500
Subject: AP On UPN Abduction Video

>From Channel 4000 (WCCO TV & Radio Affiliate). URL:

http://www.wcco.com/pub_archive/1998/Jan/news-Jan-22-5:59:04.html

*******


Two Harbors: 'Nope, No Aliens Here'


UPN Show Centers Alien Abduction Believers on North Shore County



TWO HARBORS, Minn. Posted 6:06 a.m. January 22, 1998  -- It's normally
not the type of phone inquiry one imagines the Lake County, Minnesota
Sheriff's office would be responding to in droves.

Hello?

Yes, sir ... Uh, huh ... Yep ... OK ... Uhhhhh ... Nope. No, sir. No
there is no Agent Mulder working here ... Uh, no ... No, we haven't
seen any flying saucers around here either ... No, nope we haven't
gotten calls from anyone named McPherson about any kind of alien
kidnapping ...

The Lake County sheriff reports out of his Two Harbors office that he
wants everyone to know there has been no alien abduction while he's
been on the job, reports The Associated Press.

Sheriff Andy Haugan says his office phone line has been ringing
incessantly since the upstart UPN television network broadcast a show
called "Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County" Tuesday evening.

The show broadcast on UPN stations across the country purported to show
"actual aliens" abducting a McPherson family from Lake County along
Minnesota's north shore, writes the wire service.

A sheriff's dispatcher told the AP that calls have been coming mainly
from "UFO nuts" and reporters calling to find out if the video is real.

It's not, he said.

Haugan added that no one named McPherson has lived in the county since
1994.

No word on exactly how that last McPherson left town, though ...


Parker Hodges, Channel 4000 Staff Writer










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                   Chat with Special Guest Barry Greenwood

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:27:41 -0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:08:11 -0500
Subject: Chat with Special Guest Barry Greenwood

The Politics of Ufology

Barry Greenwood, newly resigned head of CAUS
(Citizen's Against UFO Secrecy), will discuss
the recent schism inside the organziation.

Join us Sunday, January 25th, 5pm, PT, to hear
Greenwood's statements and consider the various
ramifcations of the issues at hand. This chat
will be available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:43:56 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:19:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:42:14 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>>From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
>>Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:13 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>>Hello List,

>>I would like to add a few comments from a Media point of view.

>>First:
>>Not all of the folks in the media misrepresent. Editing is
>>necessary due to the limitations of time.

>>Second:
>>Some do! Unless you live in a cave you know very well who the
>>misrepresenters are. (They have been doing it for years and they
>>still are!)

>>Third:
>>I would not consider insulting the intelligence of old media pros
>>such as, Stan Friedman, Darrell Simms, Yvonne Smith, etal, by
>>saying that they didn't know what they were getting into. Of
>>course they did!  They have all done it many, many times before.
>>And many times for the same producers and programs. (Bob Kiviat)
>>(Sightings, A&E, TLC, Sci-Fi, Channel, and more talk show hosts
>>than I care to list) and each time they signed a standard
>>industry release allowing the producers to edit as they please.

>>Fourth:
>>If you don't want to be misquoted or misrepresented don't sit
>>down for interviews!
>>As a person who sticks cameras in people's faces for a living I
>>know all about the lure of the spotlight. I am also aware of the
>>dubious practice of sucking someone onto a program under false
>>pretenses. Years ago I was asked to appear on the Montel Williams
>>Show. The topic was to be the Government involve- ment in UFO
>>coverups and they wanted a documentarians point of view. It was
>>not the topic at all but rather a typical confronta- tional show
>>with the "Good Guys vs the Bad Guys." full of misquotes and B.S.
>>editing.

>>Fool me once...shame on you!
>>Fool me twice...shame on me!

>>Last but not least:
>>Kudos to John Velez for knowing better and shining it on!

>>Keep an open mind,
>>Russ Estes

>Russ-
================================================

Hi Steve, Errol, All,

Steve writes,

>In this genre, most of the researchers have been interviewed by
>numerous groups and have little or no idea where some of those
>interviews will end up.

<snip>

> I believe that it is UPN that should bear the brunt of our anger.

Right on Steve! They were deceptive. Intentionally so
I believe. Here's a 'bit' from an e-mail that I recieved
from one of the producers. It was in response to my
"hinting" (you guys know how -subtle- I can be! <VBG>)
that they had been -less than honest- with me, and the
general public. Check this out!

This is a direct quote, I have not altered or added or
taken away a thing.

================================================

>I was on the independent rescue crew that made the
>documentary around the fake video.  We worked for
>30 days and nights before the air date, and we tried to
>make at least a polyester purse out of a pig's ear --
>basically by adding information to what was a
>stultifying 90-minute big-budget student film that
>was a lot more insulting and had EVEN WORSE special
>effects!

(Bad enough right? Now get this! JV)

>We are all surprised that anyone -- especially people
>in the know, like yourself -- were taken in for a moment.
>If such a tape were real, it wouldn't be the subject of
>prime time entertainment -- it would be news.

(Quote from e-mail from Robin Snelson, Production
assistant to me. JV)

================================================

Wow! Unbelievable attitude right? Here's my response.

>First, . . . of all the "experts" you contacted -I- was
>the only one that wasn't "taken in" (and that from the
>very beginning!) You're not being fair or honest Robin.
>This e-mail is the very first time you mentioned that
>the video was a "student film." (FAKE)

>Until -now- that little bit of vital info was (conveniently)
>witheld!

>Secondly, It was -me- that told -you- not to "personalize"
>my comments! I -know- you don't have anything to do with
>how UPN hypes its programs. But by the same token you
>didn't go out of your way (while trying to "recruit" me)
>-to inform me- that the video was a fake either!

>(Until now that is!)

>Who's jerking who sister? <G>

>John
================================================

What cohones man!

1. They tried to get me on that thing under false
pretenses.

2. They hyped it to the public as the "real thing"
even though they already knew it was a fake.
(Intentional deception)

3. They did not inform any of their guest "experts"
that the video was in fact a "student film" or a
"fake" as this production person so bluntly put it
to me.

4. They add insult to injury by wise cracking about
how surprized they were that "knowledgeable"
people like myself could be so easily "taken in" by
this "obvious" fake!

5. UPN lied. They perpetrated an intentional hoax on
the American public. The proof is in the poll they are
currently taking on their website. Why would they be
interested in how many thought it was real if they
had already told the public that it wasn't! What I want
to know is what they are going to do with the statistics
that they gather. Who's it for?

>UPN has pushed all the right buttons, and
>made us look foolish.  Unfortunately, with the approaching
>millenium, it's only going to get worse.

Not if everyone starts to boycott these "entertainment
only" types of programs. Someone already mentioned that
the ones who produce this type of programming are already
well known, -and the same group of fellows- time and again.
The solution to that problem is easy and obvious.

Nancy Reagan said it best,

"Just say NO!"

UPN should be called to task for that lie.

Peace,

John Velez









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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:28:12 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:16:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:42:14 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> >From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:38:13 EST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> >Hello List,

> >I would like to add a few comments from a Media point of view.

> >First:
> >Not all of the folks in the media misrepresent. Editing is
> >necessary due to the limitations of time.

> >Second:
> >Some do! Unless you live in a cave you know very well who the
> >misrepresenters are. (They have been doing it for years and they
> >still are!)

> >Third:
> >I would not consider insulting the intelligence of old media pros
> >such as, Stan Friedman, Darrell Simms, Yvonne Smith, etal, by
> >saying that they didn't know what they were getting into. Of
> >course they did!  They have all done it many, many times before.
> >And many times for the same producers and programs. (Bob Kiviat)
> >(Sightings, A&E, TLC, Sci-Fi, Channel, and more talk show hosts
> >than I care to list) and each time they signed a standard
> >industry release allowing the producers to edit as they please.

> >Fourth:
> >If you don't want to be misquoted or misrepresented don't sit
> >down for interviews!
> >As a person who sticks cameras in people's faces for a living I
> >know all about the lure of the spotlight. I am also aware of the
> >dubious practice of sucking someone onto a program under false
> >pretenses. Years ago I was asked to appear on the Montel Williams
> >Show. The topic was to be the Government involve- ment in UFO
> >coverups and they wanted a documentarians point of view. It was
> >not the topic at all but rather a typical confronta- tional show
> >with the "Good Guys vs the Bad Guys." full of misquotes and B.S.
> >editing.

> >Fool me once...shame on you!
> >Fool me twice...shame on me!

> >Last but not least:
> >Kudos to John Velez for knowing better and shining it on!

> >Keep an open mind,
> >Russ Estes

> >Russ-

>In this genre, most of the researchers have been interviewed by
>numerous groups and have little or no idea where some of those
>interviews will end up.  Several of the videos that have been
>cobbled together by various production companies includes
>snippets of comments by interviewees who have no connection or
>knowledge of that particular production.  That doesn't mean
>they've been misquoted, or that they would become upset with
>their treatment, but the fact is that many have lost control over
>those images (which were at one time given freely on tape with
>few prior restrictions). They all know they have legal redress if
>their comments are twisted out of context, but it is difficult to
>keep track of every interview one does when everyone and their
>brother is approaching you with a video camera or tape recorder.

>Stanton friedman has stated that he never saw the video, and
>hasn't seen the final production.  He was asked to appear at a
>studio and answered some generic questions for the camera, which
>were later edited into the program where they seemed to fit.
>While there are some who would like to hold him accountable for
>lending credence to this nonsense, I believe that it is UPN that
>should bear the brunt of our anger.

>We are involved in a genre that we can't (collectively) clearly
>define and where a clear definition of "proof" and "evidence"
>tends to be elusive. UPN has pushed all the right buttons, and
>made us look foolish.  Unfortunately, with the approaching
>millenium, it's only going to get worse.

>Steve


Steve,

As I said in my previous post... Not all people in the media
misrepresent BUT some do. It is very evident that the fine folks
at UPN do!

As a proud member of both the media and this genre, I find truth
in everything that you said.  Yes, once a person is interviewed
the interview becomes "Stock footage" owned by the production
company and it can be "Plugged" into other productions but that
was not the case with the UPN show.  All of the interviews used
were new and shot by Bob Kiviat's production company.

When a respected UFO resercher consents to an interview they are
lending credence to the production.  If they have any indication
that the production will be misleading it would be wise of them
to back off.

John Velez not only backed off but warned all of the others on
the list of what was taking place. (A very wise move)

Stanton Friedman is most probably the most interviewed researcher
in Ufology.  If we were to use the phrase, "Been there, done
that" it would apply to Stan.  He knew what he was getting into
... he has been there many times as have the others.

Yes Steve, UPN should bear the brunt of our anger, they are the
bad guys.  But they couldn't do what they do with the active and
willing participation of the UFO researchers who they taped.

We all must take responsibility for our actions. My original
comments still stand... If you don't want to be misquoted or
misrepresented don't sit down for the interview.

An open mind is a terrible thing to waste,
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                     Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:50:35 -1000
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:22:10 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"


> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 1998 15:52 PM

> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:59:04 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

> Just thought everyone would be interested to know that there are
> a number of people believed "Incident at Lake County" was a real
> event.  If the UPN online poll is to be believed, about 16,000
> votes have been cast at their web site indicated whether they
> believed the video to be real or not.  The tally so far:

>       8,198 believed it was a real event

>       8,740 believed it was a fake event

> I guess about half the audience couldn't (or at least didn't) read the
> credits. . .<g>

> Steve

Aloha Steve.....

Those results fit the statistics very closely. Median IQ is 100.
Apparently 48.40% of the viewers fell above the median and 51.60%
fell below it. Given that, I suppose the show hit the mark, since
the best ratings are delivered by shows which target the middle
ground.  That same 51.60% of people not only watch TV, though.
They vote in elections.

Tom Burnett









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                 Clinton Scandel and UFO information release

From: RGates8254 <RGates8254@aol.com> [Robert Gates]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:31:50 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:33:00 -0500
Subject: Clinton Scandel and UFO information release


Predictions for 1998, and I hope I am wrong. 1998 will not be
known for the year that hearings were held about the UFO problem,
or about any grand public releases of UFO information.

Whether we like it or not it will be known as the year of what
some in the press is now characterizing as Penisgate complete
with possible impeachment proceedings.

As they have done for 200 years Congressional committees will all
be attempting to get a piece of this scandel which is now on the
radarscope of the American public, national media and Congress.
The committees and the media will not be interested in anything,
or anybody else including Roswell and UFOs.

Cheers,
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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:00:56 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:45:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

Kevin Randle wrote:

> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

<snip>

> First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
> it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
> suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
> Kiviat.

<snip>

Nope, it was produced and copyrighted by The Dick Clark Film
Group, Inc.  Executive Producers (the dudes who put up the cash
and get the profit) were Dick Clark and Neil Stearns.

You can't blame this one on Kiv.

Terry









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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:50 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:44:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

Theresa Carlson wrote:

> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:42:22 -0500
> From: Theresa <Tcarlson1@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
> >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:33:15 EST
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

<snip>

> I didn't see the program. Did they give a name of the town or
> township?

Hi T!

No, the township wasn't mentioned.  The locale was described as a
"remote farm" in Lake County.

I can shed a little light on this production.  If you go to the
University of Michigan's site to the "Science Fiction Films &
Shows" page at:

http://www.windows.umich.edu/art_and_music/films.html

You'll find this entry:

"UFO Abduction: A True Story.
     Director: Dean Alioto.
     Not rated. 93 minutes.
     Plot: Based on an actual 1983 incident, explores how
     the lives of a Connecticut family were affected by
     their abduction and examination by aliens. "

Indeed, the credits of the UPN show have Dean Alioto as the
Director and Story Writer.

The UPN credits include Don Wollman as Supervising Producer who
was also the Executive in Charge of Production for the Weird Al
Yankovic show as is indicated at the bottom of this page:

http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~jcross/weirdal/altv/cast.html

Wollman had the same job in

                NBC'S 'ALL-NEW ALL-STAR TV
                CENSORED WHEN BLOOPERS
                ATTACK!'

see:  http://www.ultimatetv.com/news/bn/sweeps/1112bloop.html

And guess what UPN's abduction show's Executive Producer Neil
Stearns has on his list of credits?  "National Lampoon's Senior
Trip"

(http://www.hollywood.com/movies/seniortrip/)

I haven't been able to find out where the thing was filmed yet;
however, here are the last names of the "abducted" actors:
Antoine, Ayre, Barber, Buie, Chriqui, Delver, Ducharme,
Kavelaars, Pearl, and Anderson.  I might guess it was filmed in
Canada . . . possibly Quebec.

Does anyone know of a family who might have reported a
sighting/abduction in Connecticut in 1983?  It doesn't ring a
bell with me . . . but I have killed many neurons in my life. <G>

Terry




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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:13 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


> From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
> To: "Errol Bruce-Knapp" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UPN Abduction Video
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:15:44 -0800

> Being a layman in ufology I was hesitant to send this message but
> I felt compelled to. You should know that I am a banker and in
> particular a commercial lender and have been for almost 20 years.
> My job has required me to always try and obtain the facts of a
> situation, weigh those facts and make a decision.

> I must admit that I lost some respect for Mr. Friedman last
> night. He lent his name to the UPN show, probably to try and add
> some legitimacy to the program however his involvement was
> premature.

> On the outside chance that the video was real, there would be all
> kinds of physical proof of this occurrence. Here's just a few
> things that come to mind:

> 1.  Did anyone run tests on the melted gun barrels ?

> 2.  Did anyone examine the electrical transformer box that blew up ?
> 3.  Did anyone examine the landing site or the site that was
>     burned by the alien's laser ?

> 4.  Did anyone check the blood samples on the rags used by the
>     Mcphersons to stop their nose bleeds. Was it real blood ? What
>     blood type was it ?

> 5.  Was the truck engine examined ?

> 6.  Was the circuit breaker box examined ?

> 7.  What was the condition of the house when found by the police

> 8.  What leads do the police have in regards to the where
>     whereabouts of this family.

> I guess my point is that this SHOW should not have been presented
> without some of the factual information covering the above
> questions and many others that arise from the video tape.

> This is exactly the type of presentation that negatively impacts
> all of the legitimate work that has gone into UFO research over
> the years and it's a shame Mr. Friedman took a part in it...

> Len Fedullo

For Len:

At the risk of repeating myself. I did not see the video. I did
not say anything about the video. I wasn't asked anything about
the video and I have not yet seen the program because it wasn't
shown here. I understand that the creator was a guy named Alioto.
Len.. did I say anything you felt wasn't true? Or is it entirely
the context? If My words were falsely used, then I may have a
cause for legal action. Has anybody talked to the FCC about
whether there should be a disclaimer if fiction is presented as
fact? Could one read the names of the actors which I understand
were listed in the credits?

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:25:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:49:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:10 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>I'm just glad that we are not having to duke out the validity of
>this video with the true believers.

>Rebecca

What in the world makes you so sure of that????  There will
certainly be conspiracy theorists who will say there was a real
abduction but the video vanished and they had to use actors and
do it again.

True believers are just that.

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                    Re: UFO sightings in foreign countrie

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:20:14 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:36:18 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO sightings in foreign countrie


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/21/98 7:43 AM:
>  Date: 21 Jan 97 18:31:01 TAIWAN
>  From: apt_6f@hotmail.com <Terry Walker>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: UFO sightings in foreign countries

>  Just a note to say I appreciated all the information posted
>  recently about UFO sightings in foreign countries. I learned
>  alot. And stand corrected.

Glad we could help, Terry. Don't take our aggravated tone to
heart. Some of us have had to respond to this sort of thing many
times, and its a bit disheartening to hear the same old
misconceptions making the rounds.

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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:54 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:35:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings


>  From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
>  Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:56:48 -0800

>  Hi Mark,

Hi Keith...

>  Are you talking lighter-than-air, or ultralight as well?

Either way is a problem in some of the weather conditions under
which these sightings have occurred.

A balloon with a hundred or more foot lighter than air wing would
be incredibly hard to maintain in any sort of wind because the
slightest pitch up or down or lateral would drastically increase
the surface area available for the wind to affect. Because these
transitions would be very rapid and probably chaotic, I would
tend to doubt that even fly by wire systems would do well.

An ultralight has similar problems. All it takes is a brief look
at an ultralight coming in for a landing to realize that even
with a mere 20 foot wingspan, the ultralight can have serious
control problems in even mild crosswinds. But many of the
observations of large boomerang type objects have been of things
100 feet or more across, with the objects at altitudes which fall
readily into the stero vision range. Obviously those would be
even more unstable.

>  It won't take much for me to fold on this issue because I have no
>  engineering aptitude at all, and I know zilch about aviation.  Is
>  that generally true of gliders, that they can't handle any kind
>  of wind?  It surprises me a little, because I've seen HANG
>  gliders do okay in strong winds.  And it seems like the huge size
>  of these things might afford some stability, not to mention all
>  manner of advanced stabilization systems they might have
>  developed.

Hang gliders ride the winds. There is some ability for a hang
glider to remain stable in specific areas of updraft (near
ridges, for instance), but in a strong 40-50 mph wind I suspect
that a hang glider would be hard pressed to do anything but go
with the flow.

The trade-off is weight/power vs. surface area. Now these
aircraft, if they existed, would have a wing area easily as large
as a 747, but at that weight, using conventional power plants to
produce the energy needed to stay in the air at the reported
altitudes, they would make a sound like thunder. Once we get that
far, we have to then say, well, they don't need that much power
because they're lighter. But as they get lighter, the wind
becomes more effective against their surface area and they become
less stable in winds.

>  The other thing is that the Board of Sponsors of the Federation
>  of American Scientists includes half the country's living Nobel
>  laureates, so I wouldn't think they'd put this forward if it
>  didn't make at least a modicum of sense.  You're probably much
>  more knowledgeable than I about this, so tell me what you think.

Well, I'm not going to try to knock at people who have
demonstrated their knowledge and their ability in various fields,
except to say that a true judgement of the practicality of this
sort of aircraft in the flight regimes required to account for
sightings such as the extensive Hudson Valley reports would fall
to aeronautical engineers. I'm not one of those, but I do have a
keen amateur interest, and the "giant flying wing" sets off my BS
detector whenever its proposed as an alternative for sightings
like those in the Hudson Valley.

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                     Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:25:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:48:21 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:59:04 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

>Just thought everyone would be interested to know that there are
>a number of people believed "Incident at Lake County" was a real
>event.  If the UPN online poll is to be believed, about 16,000
>votes have been cast at their web site indicated whether they
>believed the video to be real or not.  The tally so far:

>       8,198 believed it was a real event

>       8,740 believed it was a fake event

>I guess about half the audience couldn't (or at least didn't) read the
>credits. . .<g>

>Steve


Steve,

I had resolved not to comment on this farce, but I can't hold my
silence on this.

If those numbers are right, man, that's really SCARY!

Bob










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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:21:43 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:47:13 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video

>From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
>To: "Errol Bruce-Knapp" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UPN Abduction Video
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:15:44 -0800

>Being a layman in ufology I was hesitant to send this message but
>I felt compelled to. You should know that I am a banker and in
>particular a commercial lender and have been for almost 20 years.
>My job has required me to always try and obtain the facts of a
>situation, weigh those facts and make a decision.

>I must admit that I lost some respect for Mr. Friedman last
>night. He lent his name to the UPN show, probably to try and add
>some legitimacy to the program however his involvement was
>premature.

His reputation certainly will not be helped by his involvement in
this "farce", but it says much more about the lack of
organization of this genre than is does about his veracity.  I
would be interested in Friedman's comments after he has had a
chance to see the video and how his comments were interspersed
with it.  This certainly wouldn't be the first time that someones
comments were twisted by those producing a video.

>On the outside chance that the video was real, there would be all
>kinds of physical proof of this occurrence. Here's just a few
>things that come to mind:

>1.  Did anyone run tests on the melted gun barrels ?

>2.  Did anyone examine the electrical transformer box that blew up ?
>3.  Did anyone examine the landing site or the site that was
>    burned by the alien's laser ?

>4.  Did anyone check the blood samples on the rags used by the
>    Mcphersons to stop their nose bleeds. Was it real blood ? What
>    blood type was it ?

>5.  Was the truck engine examined ?

>6.  Was the circuit breaker box examined ?

>7.  What was the condition of the house when found by the police

>8.  What leads do the police have in regards to the where
>    whereabouts of this family.

>I guess my point is that this SHOW should not have been presented
>without some of the factual information covering the above
>questions and many others that arise from the video tape.

If this has been a news documentary, that would have been the
case, but you can post some of the questions you raise to some of
the production people listed at the end of the show to see if
they bothered to test any of the things you mentioned.  This show
was a fictional presentation.  It was put together by Dick Clark
Productions, and one might ask them why they felt the need to
promote this in the way that they did.  You might notice that the
promos always asked, "Could this be a video of an actual
abduction?", rather than simply stating that it actually was such
a video.  By implication, one assumes that there is a chance that
it could be real, but in effect the idea is planted in your mind
and they've avoided the threat of a legal suit for false
advertising.  Other promos were similarly worded to leave one
with an impression, but without making a claim that it was an
actual event.

>This is exactly the type of presentation that negatively impacts
>all of the legitimate work that has gone into UFO research over
>the years and it's a shame Mr. Friedman took a part in it...

>Len Fedullo

The really scary thing is that nearly half of those who bothered
to log onto the UPN site to vote have indicated that they thought
it was a real event.  Those of us connected with UFOlogy may
worry that it cause others to view us in a more negative way, but
the apparent reaction of the general public tells me that it's
going to get really strange as the millenium approaches.  Now,
where are all those old titles to the Brooklyn Bridge I had
around here.....<g>









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                             Re: 'The Threat'...

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:10:19 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:52 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/21/98 10:52 PM:
>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:40:05 -0500 (EST)

>  > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  > From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>  > Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
>  > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:00:08 -0800

>  > So while most of the list seems to think that UFO geometries
>  > remain largely unchanged for at least 50 years, you believe that
>  > they follow science-fiction fashion.

>  You missed my point.  I wasn't referring so much to the past 50
>  years as to the representation of these phenomena in the past 500
>  years.  I have had neither the time nor the resources to evaluate
>  the subject over the past 50 years, which is why I said in my
>  previous message I was open to new information on the subject.

Well, science fiction has only really existed for a relatively
short time, at least as a literature of technical extrapolation.
So I can't see how UFO descriptions, which have remained
relatively unchanged (given the difficulty in interpreting or
assessing the credibility of older sources) could follow SF
fashion.

Still, a basic review of the UFO sighting reports over the last
50 years shows that most basic types have been present over that
entire period. The UFO Evidence probably provides one of the best
references for UFO geometric classifications and has excellent
catalogs to support those.

When we go further back, things become more debatable, at least
in part because it is harder to assess the credibility of the
sources. The Alexander Hamilton tale is one example of a
seemingly credible tale made of whole cloth. On the other hand,
there are some reports which fit quite well with the more modern
reliable reports. Basically, I think that has to be an important
part of our "baseline": we have reports from the present day and
the last fifty years which have been relatively well
investigated, and the credibility of whose witnesses is generally
known. So the patterns we derive from that data are probably
representative of the "real" phenomenon (whatever that may be).
Thus, when I go back and look at old data, I give much greater
credibility to cases that support current patterns than to those
which break them.

>  > How do you cope with the presence of boomerang formations in the
>  > 1800s, disks in the early 1900s, triangles in the 1940s?

>  I was referring primarily to CE3s in which considerable detail
>  about the craft in question is reported.  Were there CE3s
>  reported from these times?  (Not doubting you; I'd love to hear
>  more about it).

Sure. Vallee's Magonia

        http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/magonia.htm

contains reports back to 1867 of landings and CE-3s. Again, there
are quite a few of the older cases which are debatable, but there
are also those which seem to fit common patterns today.

>  > Why do most movie UFOs look nothing like reported UFOs? Why do
>  > most 1940s and 50s spacecraft look like cones and finned tubes
>  > and we have few or no reports of geometries that look anything
>  > like that?

>  Actually, I take issue with that.  From what I remember, the
>  "finned cone" spaceships of the 1940's and early 50's were often
>  of Earth origin, whereas the representations of craft of ET
>  origin were varied. Furthermore, trying to establish causality
>  may be difficult since I'm sure that UFO sightings have
>  influenced SF as much as SF may influence or color UFO sightings.
>  Case in point, one of the first reports of "flying saucers" was
>  actually a misnomer; the sighting in question involved objects
>  which *skipped* like saucers.  Yet shortly after, saucer-shaped
>  craft appeared both in SF and in popular sightings.

No, no, there were "flying saucer" shaped "alien spacecraft" in
SF as far back as the '30s. And the Arnold sighting, discussed at
length, just recently in this forum was

        a) of largely disk shaped objects (see the original Blue
Book report sketches) and

        b) analysis of object geometries from The UFO Evidence
shows 1947 shapes to be pretty much similar in distribution to
those in the period from 48-64. In other words, there were
spheres, ellipses, disks, cylinders, etc.

and, of course,

        c) SF readership has never been a major proportion of the
reading public. Offhand claims that SF influences the reports of
UFOs must deal with the absence of UFOs during period of high SF
awareness (such as Welles' 38 War of the Worlds or the period
immediately after Close Encounters, and with the (until fairly
recenly) limited demographics of SF and fantasy.

Also, most "alien spacecraft" in the 30s and 40s were giant metal
riveted cigars with large round glass portholes. These are
conspicuously absent from the UFO reports of the time period.

Films of the 50s were influenced by the major flaps, but their
UFOs are rarely similar to the reports of the time. For one
thing, egg / elliptical and cylindrical objects are seldom if
ever shown, while they contribute a significant proportion of
reports. The discs they portray rarely show the very common
lenticular disc.

In other words, any theory that claims a relationship between
fiction and reports doesn't stand up well to the actual cases.

>  Again, I'm not saying there aren't UFOs, I'm just saying I'm not
>  convinced they are big hunks o' metal.

>  > >  If anyone is aware of evidence which substantiates the existence
>  > >  of actual alien spacecraft (as opposed to simply unknown luminous
>  > >  phenomena) please tell me; I'm certainly open to changing my
>  > >  view.

>  > Metal/solid surfaces - verified by touch, radar, bullets and
>  > rocks thrown.

>  Interesting ... can you give me some references for these?

I'd suggest a copy of Paul Hill's Unconventional Flying Objects.

>  > EM effects
>  > Heavy weight ground traces and ground burn traces

>  All of which are characteristic effects of stable high-energy
>  plasma configurations (plasmoids).  Of course, they could also be
>  evidence of some high-tech propulsion system as well.

If there were some evidence for the existence of these so far
imaginary constructs existing in a state of nature, I might,
slightly grant some possibility to the idea that they could cause
some minor EM effects.

Unfortunately, like most UFO reports, most EM reports occur
during clear weather, many are during the day and include the
close observation of structured objects with a metallic
appearance.

No one, least myself, would deny the presence of ionization
effects near the surface of the UFO. But the cases available
refute any idea that a majority of the interesting UFO cases can
be accounted for in this way, not least due to the energy
requirements.

The idea that plasmas can leave calcined ground traces with
weights in the tens of tons, however, is completely unsupportable
(pun intended).

>  > Radiation output verified by geiger counter

>  Which has also been posited as a plasmoid characteristic (note:
>  I'm not good at plasma physics, so I haven't been able to
>  evaluate the published literature).

We'd require x-ray output at least from any UFO source. A
mechanism for producing x-ray energy from such sources as ball
lightnings could be postulated, but ball lightning forms under
well-defined weather conditions which seldom if ever exist during
UFO sightings. And the extensive literature of radiation damage
cases indicates that we are not talking about minor levels of
energy generation - again a major problem for any of these
"self-motivated plasma" theories.

>  > These all indicate an objectively existent, solid, possibly
>  > technological phenomenon. Alien spacecraft? Maybe.

>  Well, I wasn't disputing the *existence* of the phenomena.  What
>  I was trying to say (and wasn't very clear at) is that if these
>  phenomena do exist as sentient beings, I think they may be so
>  advanced as to be in a sense "beyond our reality", and much of
>  what we see about them (e.g., the details of the craft, and
>  *especially* the details of what they tell us in CE3s) may be as
>  much a reflection of our own belief system as reality.
>  After all, their "language" is probably very different from our
>  own, possibly operating nonverbally, and if so, we may be
>  misinterpreting them completely.

This is a Vallee-type concept which I really can't see support
for in the cases that I have examined. Only a very small
percentage of cases appear unusual enough to require
extraordinary explanations of this sort, and many of those are of
dubious credibility. Others have been successfully explained by
various theorists with ideas that don't require quite so much
revision of current scientific concepts as "parallel worlds",
"ultra-terrestrials", paranormal "control systems", etc.

I refer you to my essay at

http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/paracrit.htm

and the followup study of the Magonia catalog at

http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/magland.htm

for my reasoning in so far rejecting these kinds of
hypotheses.

Yes, there is a large amount of room for difficulty in trying to
understand the behavior of a phenomenon which seems to be
directed by an intelligence whose motives are inaccessible to us.
But that argues for great caution and maximal evidence before
theorizing, especially before making theories that really break
with the knowns of physics.

>  I'm especially concerned with interpreting CE3s as physical
>  events.  As an example, I have read several accounts from people
>  who are supposedly abducted repeatedly while in bed, and yet
>  there haven't been any observers who can verify this.  Excluding
>  for a moment the possibility of neurological problems, wouldn't
>  such advanced beings be capable of immersing the abductee in a
>  completely "hallucinatory" scenario?

Many researchers, myself included, still have a number of
problems with the "reality" of various abduction cases.

There's no question that there's room for abduction to be
occurring in some fashion, though I doubt it is with anything
even close to the frequency of the reports that seem to be
coming with increasing pace as the years pass. The reason
for that is that there are credible cases on the border
of abduction, consciously remembered, and in some cases
with physical evidence of one sort or another.

But I think there is also a lot of mental illness and publicity
seeking and attempts to gain attention at work in the abduction
phenomenon, and many of the "non-physical" abductions are
probably either part of this, or are effects of PTSD on people
who have had some objective experience, or they are not related
to the UFO phenomenon, by the very absence of the UFO in the
reports.

>  Anyway, like I said, I'm open to anything, and I'm not trying to
>  say "you're wrong" so much as trying to see what various people
>  think and how well they can support those views.  If anything I'd
>  love to be referred to some evidence on the subject.

Read the catalogs and read the literature. My website hosts
four large catalogs, and the Project 1947 website

http://www.iufog.org/project1947/index.html

contains a number of excellent catalogs while

http://www.primenet.com/~bdzeiler/

contains excellent source material, including papers by
a number of eminent researchers.

>  > >  Assuming no real progress is made, and that we continue to view
>  > >  UFOs as mythological phenomena, I wonder how they will appear,
>  > >  say, 100 years from now, or 200.

>  > You must be the "we".

>  Again by "mythological" I didn't necessarily mean fantastic or
>  false; I just meant that there *is* a modern-day mythology about
>  UFOs which is evolving.  And whether or not UFOs are real, I
>  think most would agree that the culture surrounding UFOs has
>  evolved into a modern mythology.

We recently hashed that around extensively here. I won't go into
it again, but you may want to check out the UFO Updates archive.

>  And I'm not the only one who views UFOs as a manifestation of our
>  own expectations as much as reality.  There are a couple of
>  authors I've read who have pointed out a continuum from faerie
>  lore to UFOs without making the conclusion many today seem to
>  have made (i.e., that people in former times must have been
>  mistaking UFOs and aliens for something else, and that we, being
>  so much more advanced, know The Truth).  I don't think we've
>  gotten that much more intelligent in the past 500 years.

It's not a question of getting more intelligent but of having more
knowledge. And we certainly have a lot more knowledge now than
we did then.

Anyway, I hope this helps in _your_ search for knowledge.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront/
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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:29 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:00:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
> it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
> suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
> Kiviat. Too often we scream disinformation when we don't like the
> tone of the information out there.
>
> Second, I think it is important that we focus on the agenda of
> the UFO community. We all have expressed a desire to elevate it
> into the scientific arena. We all talk a good game, but too often
> it is only talk.
>
> John Velez, to his credit, rejected this spotlight and warned us
> about the tone it would take. Others sought the spotlight and now
> complain that they hadn't seen the completed project and didn't
> know the form it would take. For those of you out there who have
> had the opportunity to appear on television, when was the last
> time that you saw the finished product BEFORE it was aired? And
> if you did, could you have done anything to change it?
>
> Are some of us so hungry for the spotlight that we will accept
> any opportunity, even when it is telegraphed to us that the
> program will be less than credible? Is John so clever that he can
> see these things when others can't? If offered the opportunity to
> appear in the pages of the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS wouldn't most of us
> decline because of the forum?
>
> Personally, I will not appear on a stage, or a conference in
> which Don Schmitt appears. He has badly damaged ufology in
> general and the Roswell case in particular. By showing up to
> appear with him, I am, tacitly, endorsing him. Why do that now
> that we know what he is?
>
> By the same token, should the leaders of the UFO community, or
> the self-appointed leaders, lend their names to a program like
> the UPN show? When something like this happens, and the
> scientific and journalistic communities see it, and know, like
> the rest of it that it is a hoax, doesn't that detract from the
> rest of us. Aren't we, by our participation, suggesting that we
> approve of the program? And if we participated, shouldn't we be
> held accountable for that participation, rather than attempting
> to alibi it by suggesting that we didn't know what would happen?
>
> Those of us who have been on these programs in the past know that
> we will be lied to. We know that those producing the programs,
> with few exceptions, know nothing about the field and couldn't
> care less. They want an entertaining program and will do what is
> necessary to produce it, for ratings mean money and ratings mean
> another opportunity to produce something else.
>
> Here the clue should have been Bob Kiviat. He produced the Alien
> Autopsy fraud. That should have been enough to suggest that those
> who appeared on the show should have given it a pass. We all know
> that Kiviat edited his shows to put all the aired segments in the
> best light and he cared nothing about the facts. I stood in the
> kitchen of the home that had once been owned by Jesse Marcel and
> listened to the director of the Alien Autopsy flat out lie to
> me.
>
> Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
> damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
> in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
> ourselves in the foot.
>
> KRandle

Kevin:

I must have missed something. I never heard Kiviat's name
mentioned in conjunction with this show until your comment. Not
in California and not in the flood of Comments. If I had, I
wouldn't have appeared. Is he listed in the credits? I still
haven't a tape of the show so can't check. What is the source of
this info?

Stan









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From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Tom Tulien]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:32:36 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:39:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
> it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
> suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
> Kiviat. Too often we scream disinformation when we don't like the
> tone of the information out there.

<snipped>


Dear List:

For the record: The UPN/Kiviat production was NOT in the least
bit original. It was nearly an exact copy of a film produced by
Dean Alioto/Axiom Films in San Francisco in 1989, titled, UFO
ABDUCTION. 75 minutes. Alioto took a group of friends, etc. for a
weekend and enacted the nearly identical sequence of events
depicted in the UPN docudrama. He did not however, intersperse
interviews with 'personalities' in his film.

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                  Protest UPN irresponsible UFO programming

From: DONZON <DONZON@aol.com> [Donald Waldrop]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:30:04 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:33:48 -0500
Subject: Protest UPN irresponsible UFO programming

FOR POSTING

Dear list:

Here is my letter to UPN, protesting "Incident At Lake County." I
hope you all will take the time to write your feelings to your
local UPN affiliate. You can get many of the email addresses by
going to www.infoseek.com and typing in UPN. (The Los Angeles
affiliate is UPN Channel 13, reachable at: guestbook@upn13.com)

Let's make them aware we care.

Donald Waldrop
Director,  MUFON LA
Mutual UFO Network,
Los Angeles.
(Donzon@aol.com)

-----------------

Dear UPN Channel 13, Los Angeles --

I recently witnessed on your channel a very destructive bit of
misinformation masquerading as a documentary.

The fake docu-drama, "Incident In Lake County", promoted and
aired with the questions asking "Is it real?", was the worst
kind of misleading and fear-mongering programming. It was
clearly designed to cause fear of alien abduction in the average
person.

As I am sure you know, there are a large number of people who
have had actual sightings of UFOs. What you may not know, but
easily could have with a little research, is that a significant
portion of the public believes they have actually had contact with
alien entities. This section of our population includes many well-
educated and productive people. Many are traumatized by this belief
and many are looking to the press and television to help them
separate fact from fiction.

By televising programs like this, you are doing your watchers an
extreme disservice by blurring the distinctions of reality, causing
those who feel they are experiencing these events even more trauma
while fueling those more skeptical members of the public to be even
more closed to the possibility of life outside of our tiny world.

I personally feel programming like this is yellow journalism at its
worst. I now know that your integrity is at question and will avoid
watching any further UFO or ET subject programming on UPN 13.

I urge you to stay away from the Kiviat production company and
its questionable goals in producing programming like this.

Yours truly
Donald Waldrop








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                   Aliens turn gamekeeper into millionaire

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:10 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:20:34 -0500
Subject: Aliens turn gamekeeper into millionaire

Aliens Turn Gamekeeper Into Millionaire

This 'rags to riches' alien story was recently related to me by a
British citizen living in southern Sweden.  Peter Hesket, a
translator of literary works, had been ill for quite some time,
when a friend told him about a natural medicine which could not
only make him well, but was an elixir of life.  Peter's
inquisitive mind urged him to find out more about the wonder
cure, only to discover that it could have originated from an
alien source.

Gosta Carisson is from southern Sweden. In May 1946 he was a 27
year old employed as a gamekeeper for a local titled Count. One
evening as he was walking through a wooded area he noticed a
bright light coming from somewhere in the distance. Thinking that
some boys had started a fire he rushed to the scene and
discovered a 50 foot disc with eleven humanlike occupants. There
were originally thirteen crew, but two had apparently died in a
collision with their mother ship, and they had landed on earth to
dispose of (bury) their dead. The ETs told Gosta that they were
from a star called Sirius B which was seven light years away, and
they had never visited Earth before. According to Gosta's
description, related to me by Peter, they were good looking, all
the same height, which was shorter than us, with beautiful teeth
and eyes, and dark brown hair.  They also seemed to be clothed in
strange tight fitting skin suits, which made them all look very
similar.

Gosta tried to communicate with the aliens but was stopped in his
tracks by a crew member who 'froze' him to the spot by stretching
out his arm.However, he did make friends with them and through
some kind of telepathy they were able to communicate. The aliens
told Gosta that twelve quartz rods powered their ship. At the
time of the incident they were replacing a damaged rod which may
have been a result of the collision. They also told him about
precious metals and pollens which could be found here on Earth.

Over the years, through regular contact, they taught Gosta how to
collect pollens from certain flowers which could be used as
medication for many human ailments, as well as serving as an
elixir. With their help he later invented a machine for
extracting the pollens. When news of Gosta's special medicine
spread, he was invited to the United States were a deal was made
that if he keep quiet about his alien source until the year
2,000, he would be guaranteed the US market for his product.
Gosta agreed, and it apparently made him a very wealthy man. He
eventually sold his business to a Swedish based international
pharmaceutical company and became a millionaire.

Most of this story (apart from the alleged US deal) was released
in a Swedish publication about twenty odd years ago. It was a
lengthy journalistic investigation co-authored by the experiencer
Gosta Carisson, and Swedish UFO investigator Clas Svahn. The only
known English translation was a full length article titled  "The
Angelholm Landing Report" published in Flying Saucer Review in
the early 1970s.  However, Peter Hesket is considering
translating the Swedish story into English so it may soon be
available in the UK.

Some Swedish researchers are not convinced and insist there are
still many unanswered questions. However, records show that
Sweden had a wave of UFO sightings in 1946, so it's possible that
something landed somewhere.  Peter is taking the herbal elixir
himself, but admits that he's not sure about its alien
connections.  He tells me that the pollen tablets are available
in the United States, and in Britain it's sold under the name of
"Polbax", but so far I haven't been able to find it.  Anyone
locating this product please contact me, I could do with an
elixir fix.

Georgina Bruni









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                       Santilli Debunks the debunkers

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:24 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:25:11 -0500
Subject: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

Santilli Debunks the Debunkers

The AA mystery deepens. A London fashion photographer who wants
to remain anonymous in print (I'll call him 'Angel') says that
four years ago he worked on a CD cover for one of Ray Santilli's
music companies. During his working relationship with the British
businessman, he claims Ray told him the truth about the "Alien
Autopsy" footage, and how he came to acquire it.

According to Angel, the cameraman story is a total fabrication.
He says:

"Ray told me himself that he had been approached by someone at an
American Film and Video trade fair, who offered to sell him
"under the table", unusual footage of an alien autopsy."  Angel
believes Ray was genuinely convinced the footage was of a real
alien autopsy, but later when he discovered it was a fake, he
decided to run with it anyway.  "He was at first undecided on
what to do. He contacted the man who sold him the footage and he
confirmed it was a fake. Ray had already paid a deposit and spent
time on looking for funding, he was too far in.  He told me that
if he could pull this one off it would be the biggest hoax in
history."   Angel is convinced that Ray talked to dozens of
people at the time and he believes there are others out there
with this same information.

Ray admits to knowing the photographer, and that he may well have
mentioned the AA footage to him, as at the time it was no secret
because he was trying to raise capital to purchase it. I asked
Ray if there was any truth in Angel's story, he said. "His story
is absolute nonsense. I did not buy the footage from a trade
fair, he's making the story up, or he's mixed up the facts with
fiction. I'm surprised he would come out with a story like that.
I've had no conversation with him for almost four years. And as
for the AA footage, if it were faked, not only would it cost a
great deal of money to make, but it would require at least
fifteen to twenty people, film crew etc. to produce it, and how
on earth would you keep all those people quiet - there's bound to
have been a security leak by now.

Ray tells me he has a collection of 'alien autopsy' films created
by special effects experts.  Apparently these films have been
produced at incredible cost in an attempt to prove that it's
possible to fake such a film. The collection includes footage
produced by Fox, RTL, Fuji, a Scandinavian company, and even an
X-Files piece. Says Ray "I'll probably get shot for this, but I'm
seriously considering putting them all together to make a one
hour video special.  And believe me, they are nothing like the
original, they're laughable, even though hundreds of thousands of
dollars have been spent on producing them."  He's now looking for
a title (any ideas welcome) and is prepared to offer the project
to another party to produce.  When I asked him if he was allowed
to use the films, he said he was. So having been accused by many
of promoting an elaborate hoax, he's offering a compilation of
them.  That should start a whole new debate, I'm sure.  Maybe Ray
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                          William Birnes Interview

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:40 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:03:53 -0500
Subject: William Birnes Interview

William Birnes Interview - August 1997 - Georgina Bruni

The William J Birnes Interview

William J. Birnes has a CV as long as your arm and his literary works are
too numerous to mention, but what is important to ufologists is his latest
best seller. A fascinating inside story co-authored with retired US Army Lt.
Col. Philip Corso, titled THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL. Corso, a former Pentagon
official who was Chief of the Army's Foreign Technology Division, claims he
was responsible for stewarding retrieved alien artifacts (found at the
Roswell crash site) to American industries in a reverse engineering project
which led to today's technology. I managed an interview with William who is
currently writing another book with Philip Corso, THE DAY AFTER DALLAS:
INSIDE THE WARREN COMMISSION.

Georgina Bruni: William, you have stated that Corso believes he's part of
the "Disclosure".  Can you elaborate on this?  I'm confused, if he believes
he's part of the "Disclosure" how did he come to that conclusion?

William J. Birnes: First, since the publication of THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL,
there has been only silence from the US Government - no official denials, no
statements to the effect that Corso has misspoken or is wrong, or is out of
line. In fact, the Pentagon has ordered the book for its bookstore as well
as bookstores at military bases around the US. Also the Navy has ordered the
book for some of its stores.  I take this to be a tacit Government
endorsement of Corso's book and what he says. Therefore, the Gov't seems to
be using him as part of a disclosure by default, a disclosure that doesn't
damage anyone's reputation. Phil himself believes that because of his
relationship with the late Arthur Trudeau, he had the ability and probably
an indirect green light from the powers that be inside the US military, to
tell the story of what the army did with the Roswell material.

Georgina Bruni: There as been much controversy surrounding Senator Strom
Thurmond's denial that he did not know he was writing a foreword for THE DAY
AFTER ROSWELL, but believed it was for a memoir about Corso's career in
military intelligence. Corso is said to have spoken to Thurmond and
requested a new foreword for the Roswell book, for which you claim to have
copies of both, as well as a signed release to use the new foreword. As yet
no one seems to have seen this evidence, is there any chance of researchers
having a copy of this signed release?

William J.Birnes: I will ask the publisher if I can be allowed to scan the
release and senator's cover letter so that it can be published publicly on
the Internet.

Georgina Bruni: Earlier this year Senator Thurmond attended a Washington
ceremony were he received the Pentagon's highest civilian honour.  "No
American has done more for America's security than Sen Strom Thurmond" said
Defense Secretary William Cohen.  Do you think this is a good enough reason
for Thurmond to deny he wrote the Roswell book foreword, and could it be
that this was a staged government production to honour him in exchange for
his co-operation in debunking Corso's claims?   Didn't Thurmond state "I
know of no such cover-up and do not believe one existed."

William J.Birnes: The statement about "No such cover-up" never came from
Thurmond but from his staff.  I think the award ceremony for Thurmond was
genuine and probably well deserved.  It had nothing to do with the foreword
to the book.  However, Thurmond's staff was genuinely surprised and
distressed that the Senator had agreed to write the foreword for Phil Corso
and immediately moved to snuff it out.  They were unsuccessful.

Georgina Bruni: In the book Corso mentions he saw the body of a dead alien
and that he couldn't tell whether its grey skin was real because it looked
like a thin one-piece head to toe fabric covering the creatures flesh. I
have heard similar reports of aliens bearing this kind of skin covering.  A
New Zealand abductee who claims he was in contact with an alien race, tells
an amazing story of a machine that manufactures these coverings.  The alien
steps into the tube shaped machine and is sealed from head to toe, rather
like we seal our frozen meat.  The skin covering is supposed to protect them
from our atmosphere and from radiation. Another experiencer from Sweden says
he has been in contact with aliens covered from head to toe in a second
skin. Does Col. Corso know if the US Government experimented with this fibre
found on the dead alien?

William J.Birnes: Corso says that the Government tried for years to reverse
engineer an atomically aligned fabric similar to the one that covered the
alien as a kind of second skin.  I think they gave a research grant to the
University of Colorado (I'm not 100% sure of this) to come up with a kind of
fabric based on the way a spider spins its web.  The idea of shrink-wrapping
or weaving the skin around the alien (and probably around the craft) is
correct. That's probably the way it happened.

Georgina Bruni: A British conspiracy researcher alleges that Corso was a
member of the Shickshinny Knights of Malta, a right wing group which
provided a base for dissident retired military officers who were
dissatisfied with the CIA's internationalism.  Can you comment on this.

William J.Birnes: I've never actually asked Col Corso whether he was a
member of any right wing sympathy group.  I do know that the British
researcher probably got his or her information from a book called "The Man
Who Knew Too Much" which refers to Corso as one of the people promoting a
"Two-Oswald" theory after the JFK assassination. In fact, Corso continues to
believe that there were two "Oswalds" and that the CIA covered up its
relationship with Oswald (Allen Dulles himself admitted to this shortly
before he died. Lee Rankin said that given what Dulles withheld from the
Warren Commission, the commission should have said that there really was a
conspiracy to murder the President). It's also true that Corso among a
number of military officers were dissatisfied with the CIA's
internationalism. In this he was joined in his opinion by British Military
Intelligence, where he was trained during WWII.  The split between the CIA
and the military grew out of tensions between the military and the OSS
during WWII and continued right through the 1980s.

Georgina Bruni: I understand Media UFO researcher, George Knapp has had the
Corso story for five or six years.  Corso apparently did a recorded video
interview with him were he revealed two close encounters with ETs in White
Sands, sketched pictures of an alien, and talked about animal mutilations,
Zecharia Sitchin and the Sumarians. Have you seen this video ?






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                    The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:49 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:36:43 -0500
Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

A fairly recent addition to the famous Philadelphia Experiment is
a man called Drue (Andy) who claims he was one of five civilian
scientists involved in the actual experiment that made the USS
Eldridge disappear on August 15th 1943.

In 1947 his memory was magnetically scrambled to prevent recall,
and in 1952 he was reborn as "Andy" a kind of "walk-in" with a
suppressed DNA memory. Andy served 22 years of distinguished
service in the Marine Corps and retired in 1993 as a Master
Sergeant.

Since the Philadelphia story first came to light there have been
a few major players, some have been bumped off, others debunked.

According to Drue's account, which he related to crystal skull
expert Richard Shapiro, and other researchers, when the USS
Eldridge became invisible it materialised in twelve different
locations and time eras. At one future location advanced
technology was placed on the ship which included computer systems
that were taken over by "one of those in the know" as Drue
describes the secret team. Namely, Dr John Von Neumann who we all
know to be a pioneer of computer technology. Another historical
name which crops up, is that of Dr Nikola Tesla, the alleged
mastermind of the project, who apparently withdrew from the
experiment because he was concerned with the human suffering
factor. Telsa later died in mysterious circumstances, along with,
according to Drue, approximately 2,000 other people involved in
the project.  We are told that the ship and crew were fragmented
into multiple dimensions and out of 181 men only 21 survived, 40
died and 120 simply disappeared. Some of the dead bodies were
said to have been embedded into the very structure of the ship.

Drue has some interesting information for Roswell fans. He claims
it was the result of another time related experiment being
conducted underground that disturbed the earth's planetary
magnetic grid and caused quantum gates to open up. Any ET 's
travelling the corridor at the time got caught up and
materialised. He insists there was not just the one or two
crashes we know about, but a total of 16, with 45 dead aliens of
different types recovered.

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                              Sphinx Cover Up?

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:37 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:32:49 -0500
Subject: Sphinx Cover Up?

The Sphinx Cover-up?

Last year I was introduced to an Egyptian political correspondent
for London, and during our conversation I casually brought up the
subject of the Sphinx opening and asked if there was any news. Oh
Boy was there news!

Should the following information be true, then not only are Edgar
Cayce's predictions correct, but the Egyptian government are
involved in a massive cover-up.

According to the journalist, the Egyptian government have ordered
their press to keep their latest discoveries confidential.  Their
excuse for halting the archeological excavation is that they are
renovating the monuments.  Dr Joseph Schor who has connections
with the Cayce Foundation, is supposed to be heading the
expedition and I'm told they have made a number of amazing
discoveries.

Apparently the soil immediately inside the Sphinx is very soft,
but just beyond it they found ancient records.  Some have already
been deciphered and tell the story of ATUM, the one who came from
the skies, and of a civilisation from Atlantis, or Altea. Could
they have found the information which may prove that the
Atlanteans built the pyramids?  My source says Yes!

Edgar Cayce, the "Sleeping Prophet" is known for his prediction
that the Hall of Records would be discovered in 1997-1998. My
source also tells of another discovery. As they began tunnelling
to the left of the paw which leads outside the Sphinx, they came
upon a chamber which housed the treasures of an Egyptian queen.
Coins, gold and statues were found, including one of a female
body with the head of a lion. I wonder, are they going to tell
the world of these discoveries?

The journalist seems to think they are afraid of what the records
reveal, proving once and for all, that the Egyptians may not have
been the true architects of these great monuments.

Meanwhile, Richard Hoagland's 'Enterprise Mission" is still
reporting on numerous "curious activities" inside the Great
Pyramid.  According to their report, a member of the Schor
Expedition has approached them with information claiming that
certain members of the Egyptian government are intent on NOT
revealing exciting new discoveries which may include a "hidden
excavation". Researcher Larry Hunter has provided the Enterprise
Mission with photographic evidence, which includes a picture of a
newly installed power cable, all of which could point to
clandestine tunneling inside the monuments.  Apparently Hunter
left copies of the photographs with Mohammed Sherdy, an assistant
editor of a daily newspaper, who promised a full investigation.
But alas, if my journalist source is genuine, then the Egyptian
press already have the story and they are not about to go public
with it.

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                              SLV Winter Update

From: "Christopher O'Brien" <tmv@pop.amigo.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:48:16 -7
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:00:42 -0500
Subject: SLV Winter Update

Here is a brief synopsis of our recent upsurge of unusual aerial
and animal death activity.  Last report logged on Thursday,
January 22, 1998.

===========================================================
The following accounts are the latest of hundreds of unexplained
mundane and extra-mundane events witnessed in the Greater San
Luis Valley. Relevant regional cases listed when applicable to
SLV
activity.

 Reported Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Sightings, Abductions,
 Unusual Animal Deaths (UAD), Unexplained Occurrences and
 Suspected Military Activity in the Greater San Luis Valley
 CO-NM

Compiled with Date, Time, Location, County, Vallee'
Classification,, Type of Report, (Investigator(s), Type of
EVIDENCE, media coverage) SAME DAY/NIGHT and tmv subjective
highlights.

Suspected UFO sighting dates and times and UAD discovery dates in
BOLD suspected military activity in ITALICS.  [--tmv editor
comments ]

Compiled and copyright c  1998 by: Christopher O'Brien
Snail-Mail: PO Box 223 Crestone, CO 81131 All rights reserved

Witnesses names are for informational use only and their use does
not grant permission to contact. Contact C. O'Brien/tmv for
further information
===========================================================

January 20, 1998, 6:00 pm south of the Great Sand Dunes Hooper
resident reports watching a "big star doing some big twists."
Object/light was described as flashing "red-green and blue."
Witness described the multi-colored light as hovering for five or
so minutes just south of the Sand Dunes Oasis. At around 6:15 pm,
I witnessed two low flying jets headed from the east, over the
Sangre de Cristos, south toward the location where the light was
observed. Jets were flying under 3000 feet above the Valley
floor. Witness claimed the object was not Sirius rising in the
east. He claimed the "object" two times larger than the brightest
planets, was 5 degrees north of Sirius the heaaven's brightest
star, which he was able to identify.
Alamosa/Saguache County (O'Brien/Vitoria)

January 11, 1998, 12:15 am Front Range of Colorado REGIONAL
By Jim Hughes Denver Post Staff Writer Jan.- 12 - 1998 A
mysterious object lit up the night sky up and down the Front
Range early Sunday then startled witnesses with a deafening
explosion. There was no official explanation about the object
Sunday. Military spokesmen denied the object was a military
aircraft. Local scientists speculated it could have been a meteor
or an illegal firework

<snip>

[How interesting the January 11thColorado object's glow, as it
passed over, was again a captured by the same security camera
that caught last year's "meteor" at the same location. And how
interesting last October's huge New Mexico/West Texas "meteor"
occured on the same flight path--almost a year to-the-day-- from
a similar object seen on the same flight path last year---tmv]

Sun January 11, 1998, Huerfano County La Veta MOA
Reports of unusual light activity.
Herfano County (Perkins)

Sat January 10, 1998, at dusk Huerfano County La Veta MOA
Reports ofunusual  light activity.
Huerfano County (Perkins)

Fri January 9, 1998, 5:20 pm Costilla County, SLV CO      AN1
Witness e-mailed the following report Jan 10:
"Just last night my daughter and her friend and parent
were coming home from basketball practice and
mentioned that on. . ."

". . .Thursday [Jan 8 '98] night [in Costilla County SLV CO  AN1]
they noticed two lights emanating from the sky in the approximate
location where the carcasses [of three pigs] were discovered. She
mentioned this before I told here about the discovery of the
pigs." Costilla County (Arnie V./O'Brien)

SAME NIGHT
Thur January 8, 1998, 5:20-25 pm Over the Baca Ranch, 2 miles
east of mile marker 93 on State Highway 17 SLV CO MA1 Two
witnesses driving north on Highway 17 noticed a brightly blinking
small light two miles to the east of their location. Observed a
"150 foot diameter disc" with a small, low cupola, light was on
underside. Object was plainly visible in dusk lighting. Appeared
to be at "between 1500 to 2000 feet " in altitude and traveling
down the center of the SLV south by southwest. One witness
estimated the speed at between "500 and 600 mph." Two other cars
on 17 may have also witnessed object. Duration of sigjhting about
"30 seconds."
Saguache/Alamosa County (O'Brien)

SAME DAY
Thur January 8, 1998 between 10 and 11 am Huerfano County La Veta
MOA Witness reported "20 to 30A" jets criss-crosing the Huerfano
in a grid pattern,  25-year resident witness claimed this aerial
manuevering was "highly unusual," even in the MOA.
Huerfano County (Perkins)

Wed January 7, 1998, 5:45 pm to 3:00 am Farasita, CO  La Veta MOA
Massive aerial activity reported by four witnesses.  "Disco
balls" shooting off multi-colored light and smaller red lights
Huerfano County (Perkins)

Mon January 5, 1998, Costilla County SLV CO MUTES Three pigs
discovered in a mutilated condition by two San Luis, CO ranchers.
A local San Luis, CO., man named Arnie V. contacted me with the
following report:

     "I wanted to follow up on our conversation
     regarding the pig mutalations. Upon speaking the
     the man who discovered the carcass' it turns out
     there were three mutalated pigs each about 100 to
     150 pounds, white in color and each with a cored
     out rectum and other round holes in the abdomen.
     Apparently they had been discovered three days
     before I saw them. There were only two when I saw
     the on Thursday. Bob Green from La Sierra News
     paper went out to take some photos with a digital
     camera. You might check with him for prints. I think
     he will run a story in his paper this coming week"

Costilla County (Arnie V./O'Brien)
 [No conclusive evidence of a high-strange case--tmv]


UNDER FORENSIC INVESTIGATION
Wed December 17, 1997, at 10:30 a.m. 5 Miles SW of Alamosa, SLV
CO MUTE
Rancher Ron Gardiner discovered a dead gelding 5 miles SW of
Alamosa, CO, in the San Luis Valley So-Cen CO/No-Cen NM. The
animal was still warm and the rancher estimated the animal was
killed and mutilated sometime around dawn. The horse was missing
it's penis and an 8 inch circular patch of hide behind the
sheath-- which was intact. The rear-end was neatly cored out in a
slightly elongated circle to a depth of 8 to 9 inches. Eyes and
tongue were intact. The animal was found lying on it's right side
at the bottom of a dry, 7 foot deep irrigation canal channel.
There was evidence of a struggle i.e., broken chimisa bushes and
thrashing marks, but besides the unfortunate gelding's tracks,
there were no other tracks present. No apparent scavenger
interest noted and two horses in the small herd seemed curious
and unafraid of the carcass. The carcass did not bloat. No
downside incisions or additional evidense noted by the rancher,
this investigator, or the Alamosa County Sheriff investigator,
but a 5 inch shallow gash in the hide was present on the neck.
Several drops which appeared to be blood were found in snow about
60 feet away over the fence and across the road. Alamosa County
(Gardner/O'Brien/Alamosa Sheriff, Valley Courier
VIDEO/STILL/FORENSIC)

Sun December 14, 1997, at 3:00 am, North of Center, CO
CE3
Witness reports a close encounter with a large
triangular ship in south-central Saguache County

     "I saw out my back door one of those triangular
     UFO's hovering over the [witnesses'] south
     field.When I went outside to see it, it moved
     slowly and hovered by the roof of the house and
     over the silos. Then it came back over the house
     and a beam of white-blue light came out of the
     midlle and something was taken up in the beam.
     I couldn't see what, but its shape was smallish. I
     was so scared I couldn't talk. It played some kind
     of musical rhythm when the lights around the
     edge flashed off and on. Let me know if anyone
     else saw anything."

SAME NIGHT
Sun December 14, 1997, from 1:15 to 1:40 a.m at 12S road near
Mesita, SLV CO [50 miles north of 3:00 am sighting]  Large object
seen slowly crossing the SLV from Questa, NM toward Chama, NM.
Took 25 minutes to traverse approximately 50 miles Costilla/Taos
Counties
(Paye/O'Brien)

SAME NIGHT
Sat December 13, 1997 7:30 p.m., 2 miles north of La
Jara, SLV CO
Two reports; 7:05 p.m.,and & 10 p.m., looking east on Highway 285
just north of La Jara, CO Sighting locations are and twelve miles
from gelding death location.
Alamosa County (O'Brien)

UNDER FORENSIC INVESTIGATION
Sun November 30, 1997, around 5:30-6:00 am, SW corner pasture on
Saguache County Road 61 and County Road SLV CO MUTE.

1 and a half miles west, 2-miles north of Hooper, CO, a calf
"mutilation" was reported by ranchers Bill Knopfman, Jack Kuntz
and their foreman, Ted Ruggles. A report was filed with the
Saguache County Sheriff's Office, who also investigated the calf
death. The 10-month old female calf, in a herd of approximately
40 cattle, was discovered with it's right side mandible
completely exposed with all hide and tissue removed. That
morning, a dense fog blanketed the entire center portion of the
SLV and the temperature was around 10 degrees.

The apparent facial incision extended up and over the eye socket.
Eye was removed. Tongue was intact. Rear-end coring 10" in
diameter. Apparent removal of reproductive tract to a
(approximate) depth of 18". Drop of blood observed on one teat.
Uniform 4 to 5 inch snow cover over the entire pasture. Animal
found lying on left-side. No down-side incisions noted. Calf was
facing head to the south. Nearest dwelling about 400-450 yards
away south by southwest of carcass. Only tracks observed were the
victim animal's own tracks. No additional evidence noted, i.e.,
blood, tissue, footprints, tire tracks, disturbed snow or
vegetation. No known observation of attendant lights or sounds in
the vicinity of site at time of death. Residents of nearest
dwelling reported their dogs barking at around 5:30 to 6:00 a.m.
Rancher's dogs showed an interest in the carcass and evidently
widened the rectum-coring shortly after calf's discovery. Magpies
and crows were observed on the calf at time of discovery. Some
bird scavenging was noted, i.e., eye-socket and optic nerves
scavenged. Tissue underneath incisional area showed some signs of
being pecked at, but no observed scavenger action on hide at or
on actual incisions. Three sets of samples were obtained for
separate forensic testing.
Saguache County (Saguache County Sheriff/O'Brien SLV
Publishing Papers, Valley Courier VIDEO/STILL/FORENSIC)

SAME NIGHT
Sat November 29, 1997, 11:10 pm Over Northern SLV MA1 Four
witnesses in the Baca watch a multi-colored light move slowly
from center of the Valley toward the north.
Saguache County (O'Brien)

=======================================================
The above reports were pulled from the "Current Reports" section
of The Mysterious Valley Home Page at the link below.  This
re-vamped web-page contains info and images from the San Luis
Valley.  If you would like to link to this site, please advise.

If you do not wish to receive periodic updates from the SLV
please let me know and I'd be happy to take your name off the
list.  Please foreward along any comments or questions.


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                      Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:56 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:44:05 -0500
Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

Buddhist  Monastic Claims She Received Death Threats

An ordained Buddhist monastic, the Rev Mary Teal Coleman, has
apparently stated under oath that when she approached William
Moore (best remembered for his part in the MJ12 documents expose)
with information about a film of a downed UFO held inside a
military hanger, Moore threatened her life. She accuses him of
being a self confessed controlled informant for an intelligence
agency, and believes an investigation of Moore will reveal a
black budget programme, probably used by the (NRO) National
Reconnaissance Office.  She also states that when she visited the
(then) Secretary of Defense, Perry, that one of his staff, Frank
Brierton, warned her if she tried to communicate again, she would
be sued for stalking.

Coleman set about contacting other government departments,
supplying them with a 22 hour video taped report 'The Coleman
Report, Impact Zone',  which amongst other things, is supposed to
offer positive proof of crashed UFO's and confidential meetings
between top ufologists and government officials. The report was
sent to the (then) chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
Sen Arlen Specter, but she received no reply.  It was also sent
to Vice President Gore, and Coleman received a courtesy response
from Gore's director of correspondence, Bill Mason. He advised
her to continue working with officials at the FBI and Defense
Department, even though the latter had allegedly threatened to
sue her.  Apart from the letter written on behalf of the Vice
President, Coleman appears to have received no further response
from any other US government department.

Mentioned in the Coleman report is reference to UFO investigator,
Lt Col Wendelle Stevens (USAF.Ret).  According to Coleman,
Stevens has information pertaining to a film of a crashed UFO
being kept by the US military.  She explains that "actions
carried out during 1995/6 by Stevens, Moore and the Roswell
Bunch", were threatening enough to her physical safety to prompt
her to make a report to the FBI.  As proof of her contact with
Stevens, Coleman produces a copy of a page from his letter to
her. Writes Stevens. ' Remember the movie you were trying to show
me one time. That subject is the biggest danger there is. I got
close and had it on camera. I was about to get closer..........
This of course, is in the strictest confidence.'  Coleman paid no
heed to the 'strictest confidence' request, and apart from
reporting him to the FBI, she went public with the information,
claiming that Stevens had broken his promises to her.  An eye for
an eye, a tooth for a tooth!

Mary Teal Coleman is the head of a religious organisation called
the Dharma Institute.  Curious to know more, I recently contacted
her, hoping for an interview, but instead I received a reply from
the institute informing me that before 'entities' (don't you just
love that word) could be considered to interview Rev Coleman,
they need to supply information about who they are.  Here's what
I was asked to submit. A curriculum vitae, including examples of
past works, or references to past works, my full name, my private
home address, my work address, the name of my employer,
information about my research in ufology, and my work, other than
my research. Needless to say I was not amused. When I replied to
Dharma complaining about their attitude and their over-the-top
demands for personal information (after all I wasn't applying to
join their organisation) I was accused of being critical and
insulting. I was also warned that should I contact the institute
again, my communications would be given to an attorney and law
enforcement officials. It certainly doesn't take much to upset
this religious group. Which makes me think. To what extent has
Coleman's physical life really been threatened?  Could it just be
that this is one helluva paranoid lady?


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                     Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

From: Chris Sanderson <skygypsy@vegasnet.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:29:09 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:57:40 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN's "Incident in Lake County"

In the Las Vegas Review-Journal today (1-23-98) under "NATION
briefs" there is a short article from Two Harbors, Minn.  The
story relates that the Sheriff from Lake County has received
numerous inquiries from people asking about the UPN story about
the "McPherson" family.

He tells that no McPherson family has lived in Two Harbors (Lake
County) going back two years.  He also says that aliens have
abducted no one from his county.

The sheriff's dispatcher jokes that the only people he hasn't
heard from are X-Files characters Mulder and Scully.

I searched the R-J website and could not find this article listed
but have paraphrased here for you.

Chris









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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:33:27 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:17:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:54 -0800


> >  From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
> >  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
> >  Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:56:48 -0800

> >  Hi Mark,

> Hi Keith...

> >  Are you talking lighter-than-air, or ultralight as well?

> Either way is a problem in some of the weather conditions under
> which these sightings have occurred.

> A balloon with a hundred or more foot lighter than air wing would
> be incredibly hard to maintain in any sort of wind because the
> slightest pitch up or down or lateral would drastically increase
> the surface area available for the wind to affect. Because these
> transitions would be very rapid and probably chaotic, I would
> tend to doubt that even fly by wire systems would do well.

> An ultralight has similar problems. All it takes is a brief look
> at an ultralight coming in for a landing to realize that even
> with a mere 20 foot wingspan, the ultralight can have serious
> control problems in even mild crosswinds. But many of the
> observations of large boomerang type objects have been of things
> 100 feet or more across, with the objects at altitudes which fall
> readily into the stero vision range. Obviously those would be
> even more unstable.

> >  It won't take much for me to fold on this issue because I have no
> >  engineering aptitude at all, and I know zilch about aviation.  Is
> >  that generally true of gliders, that they can't handle any kind
> >  of wind?  It surprises me a little, because I've seen HANG
> >  gliders do okay in strong winds.  And it seems like the huge size
> >  of these things might afford some stability, not to mention all
> >  manner of advanced stabilization systems they might have
> >  developed.

> Hang gliders ride the winds. There is some ability for a hang
> glider to remain stable in specific areas of updraft (near
> ridges, for instance), but in a strong 40-50 mph wind I suspect
> that a hang glider would be hard pressed to do anything but go
> with the flow.

> The trade-off is weight/power vs. surface area. Now these
> aircraft, if they existed, would have a wing area easily as large
> as a 747, but at that weight, using conventional power plants to
> produce the energy needed to stay in the air at the reported
> altitudes, they would make a sound like thunder. Once we get that
> far, we have to then say, well, they don't need that much power
> because they're lighter. But as they get lighter, the wind
> becomes more effective against their surface area and they become
> less stable in winds.

> >  The other thing is that the Board of Sponsors of the Federation
> >  of American Scientists includes half the country's living Nobel
> >  laureates, so I wouldn't think they'd put this forward if it
> >  didn't make at least a modicum of sense.  You're probably much
> >  more knowledgeable than I about this, so tell me what you think.

> Well, I'm not going to try to knock at people who have
> demonstrated their knowledge and their ability in various fields,
> except to say that a true judgement of the practicality of this
> sort of aircraft in the flight regimes required to account for
> sightings such as the extensive Hudson Valley reports would fall
> to aeronautical engineers. I'm not one of those, but I do have a
> keen amateur interest, and the "giant flying wing" sets off my BS
> detector whenever its proposed as an alternative for sightings
> like those in the Hudson Valley.

Give me a break, Mark!  Don't you know this is the Internet?
Where do you get off arguing on the merits!  We're supposed to be
confining ourselves to ad hominem attacks:-)

I'm not completely convinced, but your arguments are excellent.
I may wind up emialing FAS, and maybe some skeptics, to see if
they can counter any of your points.  I'll keep you and Updates
posted if I make any headway one way or the other.

Thanks,

Keith









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                   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:40:22 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:14:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]


> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:00:56 -0800
> From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>Kevin Randle wrote:

>> From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

<snip>

>> First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
>> it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
>> suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
>> Kiviat.

<snip>

>Nope, it was produced and copyrighted by The Dick Clark Film
>Group, Inc.  Executive Producers (the dudes who put up the cash
>and get the profit) were Dick Clark and Neil Stearns.

>You can't blame this one on Kiv.

>Terry

Sorry, folks, but a friend in California told me that good ole
Kiviat was involved in this this. Saw a couple of other posts
that mentioned him, but apparently that information is in error.
I stand corrected on that.

However, that doesn't change the main point which is that we, in
the UFO community had better become more discriminating in our
participation in UFO programs. When we lend our good names to
these sort of productions, we harm the entire field for we are
all lumped into the same boat.

John Velez, in his communication with the producers realized that
this program was going to harm us all. To his great credit, he
decided not to participate.

We all have to realize that not everyone in the world is as tuned
into the UFO phenomena as we are. They see a program like the UPN
show and believe that we all are like that. We all have no
intelligence, we are gullible, and we believe everything that is
said about UFOs. And this program reinforced that opinion by the
participation of leaders in the field.

When they were not shown the video, that should have provided
them with a clue about the nature of that video. We must realize
that some people work to make money and no other consideration
matters. That's why there are programs like the UPN show. Make
money, exploit the situation, and run to the next project. They
care nothing for all the time, effort, money, research, and lost
family contact that has gone into learning what is happening.
They just want to make money.

But even with that, we must assume some of the blame. We are only
too willing to jump in front of the camera to provide "the best
information." I say again, we must realize that sometimes the
publicity is not worth it. Again, I doubt that many of us would
care to see our names in THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS.

So, part of the blame falls on us and we must accept that blame.
It is too easy to blame UPN for what is our desire for the
spotlight.

KRandle










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                           BWW Media Alert 980223

From: BufoCalvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:03:06 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:19:32 -0500
Subject: BWW Media Alert 980223


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January 23, 1998

Another really busy day, so here goes:

A&E
Thursday at 7:00 PM (repeated at 11:00 PM), the series THE UNEXPLAINED has
EXTRATERRESTRIALS.

THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
Thursday, 5:00 PM, TRAVELLERS (Las Vegas, but includes UFOs)

THE LEARNING CHANNEL
Wrapping up their Alien Invasion week...Saturday, 4:00 PM, THE CASE OF THE
UFOS.  Saturday, 7:00 PM (repeated at 10:00 PM), UFOS AND OTHER CLOSE
ENCOUNTERS.  Sunday, 10:00 AM, WE ARE NOT ALONE: SKYWATCHERS.

THE SCI-FI CHANNEL
Sunday, 7:00 AM (repeated Tuesday at 5:00 PM and 9:00 PM), SIGHTINGS special
IN DEPTH AND BEYOND: UFOS, THE 100 YEAR COVER-UP.  I saw a bit of this two-
hour special, and was disappointed in one early thing.  I find it misleading
(deliberately or carelessly) when a recreation shows something notably
different and more stereotypical (or sensational) from what the narration is
saying.  In the case of the alleged Aurora crash in 1897, the narrator is
describing a cigar-shaped object which drifted slowly.  The special effects on
the screen are showing a spherical object plummeting to Earth at a high speed.
We then see what appears to be the aftermath of an explosion, with fire around
(not the way I recall the story).  Outside of that, though, other portions of
it I saw were, at least, worth watching.  Thursday, 5:00 PM and 9:00 PM,
SIGHTINGS.

Sorry I didn't have more time...still cramming Visual Basic to teach next
week.

This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!"


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can do it and actually give you a source for them at the same time!  This is
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:48:38 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:55:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:25:13 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>  >From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>  >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:43:10 EST
>  >To: updates@globalserve.net
>  >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>  >I'm just glad that we are not having to duke out the validity of
>  >this video with the true believers.

>  >Rebecca

>  What in the world makes you so sure of that????  There will
>  certainly be conspiracy theorists who will say there was a real
>  abduction but the video vanished and they had to use actors and
>  do it again.

>  True believers are just that.

Bob, do you see many people arguing about the validity of the video?

I rest my case.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:35:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:50 -0800
> From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

> I can shed a little light on this production.  If you go to the
> University of Michigan's site to the "Science Fiction Films &
> Shows" page at:

> http://www.windows.umich.edu/art_and_music/films.html

> You'll find this entry:

> "UFO Abduction: A True Story.
>      Director: Dean Alioto.
>      Not rated. 93 minutes.
>      Plot: Based on an actual 1983 incident, explores how
>      the lives of a Connecticut family were affected by
>      their abduction and examination by aliens. "

> Indeed, the credits of the UPN show have Dean Alioto as the
> Director and Story Writer.

I didn't see the UPN video, but I told John Valez in a private
note what I'm about to share with you now.  Perhaps John will be
so good as to confirm that I mentioned it to him. I'm going into
much more detail here.

This video has been out AND debunked for quite a while.
Sightings or some other paranormal program debunked this video
ages ago.  I even have that episode on tape, and when I get my
VCR working again, I'll give you the copyright date.  Sightings,
or whoever, even interviewed the director/story writer and he
said he was honored that anyone thought this film was real, but
that it was just a student film project.  Shown where production
stills of the little girls getting into alien costums and such.

But the fact is, this video has been out and about for a long
time, at least two years.  And it has been debunked and a known
fake for at least a year and a half.  When I saw the Sightings
(or whatever) show two years ago with this topic, I was under the
impression that Sightings had done the story on the abduction
video as if it were real over a year before.

Now, I think the interesting question becomes, "are any of the
same producers behind Sightings involved in this production?"
That is a far more interesting question than "is it real, is it
fake, and who was fooled?"

On a related subject... If UFO research is ever to enter a
realistic, respected, and honored role in the media, then it must
act like it deserves it. I commend John Valez for his actions in
refusing to participate. I am shocked that Stan Friedman
participated in a project without seeing even a tiny peice of the
film in question.  As a television producer, I am shocked at the
tricks used to bring legitamacy to this program...

Shame on UPN
Shame on the producers
And double shame on the UFO community for accepting this crap.

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                             Re: 'The Threat'...

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:37:53 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:31:30 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:10:19 -0800


> Well, science fiction has only really existed for a relatively
> short time, at least as a literature of technical extrapolation.
> So I can't see how UFO descriptions, which have remained
> relatively unchanged (given the difficulty in interpreting or
> assessing the credibility of older sources) could follow SF
> fashion.

Well, I'll hold of my assessment of that until I look further
into the subject.  All that I can say is what I have read has
lead me to regard the descriptions as more fluid, but that may as
well be a reflection insufficient reading.

> Basically, I think that has to be an important
> part of our "baseline": we have reports from the present day and
> the last fifty years which have been relatively well
> investigated, and the credibility of whose witnesses is generally
> known.

But is it though?  So much of what I have heard (and again, I'll
admit much of it being more recent may very well be a poor
sample) has involved little physical evidence and has relied
mostly on the credibility of the eyewitness.  And especially in
cases where hypnotic regression has been used, I have some
difficulty accepting witness credibility.

> So the patterns we derive from that data are probably
> representative of the "real" phenomenon (whatever that may be).
> Thus, when I go back and look at old data, I give much greater
> credibility to cases that support current patterns than to those
> which break them.

I can understand your motivation for doing this, but at the same
time I worry that doing so may be dangerous.  I'd prefer to have
some sort of objective criterion to select or reject data.
Without it, you risk massaging the data to support an existing
conclusion.

But again, I do appreciate your response and will take some time
to read more, and at that point, if I still have problems with
your analysis, I will have more to go on that worries.

>       c) SF readership has never been a major proportion of the
> reading public. Offhand claims that SF influences the reports of
> UFOs must deal with the absence of UFOs during period of high SF
> awareness (such as Welles' 38 War of the Worlds or the period
> immediately after Close Encounters, and with the (until fairly
> recenly) limited demographics of SF and fantasy.

I wasn't suggesting that the popularity of SF was in any way
related to the frequency of UFO sightings, only that the form of
UFOs may be related to the SF representations of alien craft at
the time.  But I don't think I could claim that the latter caused
the former without pushing it.  And I would argue that ideas and
other elements from limited genres do spread into society as a
whole, often without anyone thinking about the source.  Culture
is by no means a gradual, liner phenomenon, and the existence of
numerous fads, trends, and fashions which arose from unexpected
places are I think sufficient evidence.

> Also, most "alien spacecraft" in the 30s and 40s were giant metal
> riveted cigars with large round glass portholes. These are
> conspicuously absent from the UFO reports of the time period.

Now that I will grant you and I apologize for not being more
careful in characterizing SF spacecraft.  I guess it's been a
long time since I looked through my pulp SF collection.

> In other words, any theory that claims a relationship between
> fiction and reports doesn't stand up well to the actual cases.

OK, it seems you're right.  I still suspect some
cross-contamination in either one direction or the other
(possibly influencing some of the more dubious sightings) but no,
it isn't nearly enough to hope to explain the phenomenon.

> I'd suggest a copy of Paul Hill's Unconventional Flying Objects.

Thank you.

> If there were some evidence for the existence of these so far
> imaginary constructs existing in a state of nature, I might,
> slightly grant some possibility to the idea that they could cause
> some minor EM effects.

It's admittedly difficult, but the models do explain ball
lightning quite effectively (although your later point about
clear skies is nonetheless valid).  And some considerably more
microscopic effects. In any case I have some papers arriving by
interlibrary loan and I'm going to take them to a physicist
friend of mine for evaluation. If anyone cares, I'll tell you
what he says about it.

> Unfortunately, like most UFO reports, most EM reports occur
> during clear weather, many are during the day and include the
> close observation of structured objects with a metallic
> appearance.

And that's a very good point.

> The idea that plasmas can leave calcined ground traces with
> weights in the tens of tons, however, is completely unsupportable
> (pun intended).

I'm assuming your previous reference contains documentation of
this, if so I'm looking forward to reading it.

> And the extensive literature of radiation damage
> cases indicates that we are not talking about minor levels of
> energy generation - again a major problem for any of these
> "self-motivated plasma" theories.

Yeah, unless modern science has completely missed something about
particle physics, and matter is spontaneously converting to
energy (which I don't think it is).  Well, obviously we don't
know everything about physics because we haven't managed to break
the light speed barrier or make a reactionless drive yet.

> This is a Vallee-type concept which I really can't see support
> for in the cases that I have examined. Only a very small
> percentage of cases appear unusual enough to require
> extraordinary explanations of this sort, and many of those are of
> dubious credibility. Others have been successfully explained by
> various theorists with ideas that don't require quite so much
> revision of current scientific concepts as "parallel worlds",
> "ultra-terrestrials", paranormal "control systems", etc.

Actually parallel worlds aren't as hoaky as you think (c.f.,
Everett and Wheeler) but that's a matter of semantics.  Like I
said, I look forward to evaluating the evidence myself.
Ultimately, though, since we can't really do any experiments, it
all comes down to which theory describes it "best".  And "best"
is of course a matter of one's personal belief systems; the
metrics we each use to evaluate the elegance and "ordinariness"
of a theory are entirely subjective.

Case in point, I've met people who believe that the entire
phenomenon is essentially being produced, in physical form, by
mass human belief (the "Tulpa" theory).  To them, this was a much
more elegant explanation.  Until we can figure out how to test a
theory on the UFO phenomenon, it's going to come down to "who
sounds less like a crackpot".  And while there are some people
I'd definitely consider crackpots, I'm sure others would say the
same of me.  Or you, for that matter.

> I refer you to my essay at
...

Thank you very much.

> But that argues for great caution and maximal evidence before
> theorizing, especially before making theories that really break
> with the knowns of physics.

Well, I think most, if not all, of these theories put a strain on
physics, if for no other reason than UFOs appear to have some
form of reactionless propulsion (if this has been addressed
before please tell me in email and I'll look it up).  But I rely
heavily upon Clarke's Law in issues of technology, because I
don't think our own level of science is anywhere close to
perfection.

> The reason
> for that is that there are credible cases on the border
> of abduction, consciously remembered, and in some cases
> with physical evidence of one sort or another.

OK, so I think one of the problems I'm running into here is that
I haven't been looking towards the right sources.  Although in my
defense, trying to find a good book has been like finding the
proverbial needle in the haystack.

> Read the catalogs and read the literature. My website hosts
> four large catalogs, and the Project 1947 website

And again, thank you very much for the pointer.  I appreciate it
very much.

> We recently hashed that around extensively here. I won't go into
> it again, but you may want to check out the UFO Updates archive.

Will do.  Thanks.

> It's not a question of getting more intelligent but of having more
> knowledge. And we certainly have a lot more knowledge now than
> we did then.

But viewed from the perspective of how much knowledge it is
possible to have (and I'm talking about major changes in
understanding, not obscure stuff like "how many protons are in my
cup of coffee"), I looking upon earlier peoples as more ignorant
is like an ant looking down upon a flea.  Many, many times have
scientists (who should have known better) claimed to be close to
the end of important discoveries in their fields.

> Anyway, I hope this helps in _your_ search for knowledge.

Yes, it does.  Once again, thanks for taking the time to address
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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #217

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:02:01 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:54:07 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #217

Apology to MW #217 (For January 24, 1998)

Your silence, as always, is ominous and harsh, and perhaps I am
uncomfortable on this road that I must march. But that point is
lost in dissonance, _John Ford_ is dissed -- forgotten. His
plight's ignored, dismissed and damned -- concern is misbegotten.
And it really could be one of you, and you'd wish that you were
missed. The measure I'm correct is made to match how much you're
pissed.

You miss the point forgetting John as easy as you do. Not as
pretty as Whit Streiber, lived with Mom, so what's construed? He
picked up homeless strays, could shed a tear if they should
suffer. We shan't demand John gain surcease from Suffolk county's
bluffers?

What is it with Ford the 'whole rest =85 the world' knows? Does he
play with his feces? Does he suck dirty toes? Is it 'cause he's
republican (equally odiferous)? It's his guns! Or his friends, or
perhaps he's carnivorous! Maybe just unpretty -- an embarrassment
to some? You turn your back because he's nerdy, somewhat
cluttered  and unfun? He wears his cammies like Glen Campbell =85
had (and used!) decoder rings? He fell at last to keystone cops
in the stupidest of stings? It's his tin foil saucer beanie? It's
an image thing, you think? Perhaps he's plagued with body odor,
and he reeks a stench, or stinks?

=85 Then it's you not thinking clearly, and it's you won't watch
dissolve, the fabric of the tyranny from which you _think_ you
are absolved! He's one of us that's gotten nailed for asking
bigger questions! A casualty in war for truth, though fought with
Law's suggestion! He fought our battle, now lies wounded in a
dungeon of his enemy, while we stand by, our eyes askance,
pretentious, and unfriendly.

What's gravy for the goose (and it's John Ford's goose that's
steamed) will be gravy for the gander, and it's THEN I'll hear
your scream!

     Lehmberg@snowhill.com

=85like outraged, and insulted, newly minted Castrati.

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                 Chat with Skeptic/Investigator, Phil Klass

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:27:17 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:01:22 -0500
Subject: Chat with Skeptic/Investigator, Phil Klass

Join us on Tuesday, January 27th,  6pm, PT, for a live chat with
America's best known Skeptic. Long known for his detailed
debunking of UFO cases, Phil Klass picks up the gauntlet yet
again with the mecca of the phenomenon: Roswell 1947.

He has also recently published, in his Skeptics UFO Newsletter
(SUN), a breakdown of "factual errors as well as ridiculous
"claims" from Col. Corso's Day After Roswell.  The chat is
available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.

A special audio interview will be available via Netshow, on the
UFO Forum site.









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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:44:30 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:14:07 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video

>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:13 -0400
>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video

>At the risk of repeating myself. I did not see the video. I did not say
>anything about the video. I wasn't asked anything about the video and I
>have not yet seen the program because it wasn't shown here. I understand
>that the creator was a guy named Alioto. Len.. did I say anything you
>felt wasn't true? Or is it entirely the context? If My words were
>falsely used, then I may have a cause for legal action. Has anybody
>talked to the FCC about whether there should be a disclaimer if fiction
>is presented as fact? Could one read the names of the actors which I
>understand were listed in the credits?

>Stan Friedman

Mr. Friedman,

You have spent so much of your life in pursuit of answers, real
answers in regards to the UFO phenomena and then you take time to
separating the fact from the fiction so that people like myself
would have a better understanding of what's happening in our
world. I greatly appreciate that.

But you missed my point in the earlier e-mail I posted. Your name
was used to try and legitimatize the UPU abduction show. Whether
or not your comments are accurate in regards to abduction
situations, they should not have been delivered in this "vehicle"
because it hurts your cause. So the real point is, did you allow
them to use your name or did they simply use stock video without
your permission or knowledge. I can't tell from your response.


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                   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:22:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:08:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

At 06:39 PM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear List:

>For the record: The UPN/Kiviat production was NOT in the least
>bit original. It was nearly an exact copy of a film produced by
>Dean Alioto/Axiom Films in San Francisco in 1989, titled, UFO
>ABDUCTION. 75 minutes. Alioto took a group of friends, etc. for a
>weekend and enacted the nearly identical sequence of events
>depicted in the UPN docudrama. He did not however, intersperse
>interviews with 'personalities' in his film.

>Tom T.

Tom-

"Incident at Lake County" was produced by Dick Clark Productions, not
Kiviat/Green or Robert Kiviat.  Are you saying that Robert Kiviat is now
working for Dick Clark Productions?

Tha Alioto "film" you mention was created filmed as a low budget
demonstration designed to attract investors in a full fledged feature film.
 That project fell through and someone who got a copy decided to have some
fun with it and sent it to some UFO researchers without further
explanation.  The only similarities that exist pertain to the general plot,
and not much more.  From some postings I have seen on the UPN show, it is
claimed that it was produced as a student project of some sort.  How Dick
Clark Productions and the students got together on this show would be
interesting to know, but the bottom line is that UPN's promotion was (at
the very least) improper.

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                      Re: UFO Meeting/Discussion Group

From: c549597@showme.missouri.edu [Barbara Becker]
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:47:46 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:29:56 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Meeting/Discussion Group

When:   Wednesday, March 18, 1998 (This meeting is held every three
        months.)
Time:   6:30 PM to 8:45 PM
Where:  Milford Library
        State Road 131
        Milford, Ohio

Everyone welcome.

Hosted by:  Peggy and Jerry Black.  The Blacks were the principle
investigators of the Kentucky Abduction case. [Reference: The
Encyclopedia of UFOs/Story pages 192 - 195 also, information can be
found at Kenny Young's website at:  http://home.fuse.net/task/DATA0.htm
(UFO Database 1976).] The Blacks also worked with Tracy Torme in the
making of Fire In The Sky, depicting Travis Walton's abduction.

Jerry and Peggy Black can be reached at:  513-625-2613
(please call after 1PM  Eastern time.)








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From: "Steven Kaeser" <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:46:04 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:00:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>From: XianneKei <XianneKei@aol.com> [Rebecca Keith]
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:48:38 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:25:13 -0500
>>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>  From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's
Abduction

>>  >I'm just glad that we are not having to duke out the validity of
>>  >this video with the true believers.

>>  What in the world makes you so sure of that????  There will
>>  certainly be conspiracy theorists who will say there was a real
>>  abduction but the video vanished and they had to use actors and
>>  do it again.

>>  True believers are just that.

>Bob, do you see many people arguing about the validity of the video?

>I rest my case.

>Rebecca


I don't know if the numbers mean much, but as of 6:30pm (est)  on
Saturday there were

    10,428 votes cast by those who believed the video was real and
    10,501 votes cast by those who believed it to be a fake

Those who have voted for it apparently don't frequent the usuall
"lists" and haven't been engaging in the debate.  If the web
site's poll is to be believed, about half the viewers who have
computers believed it was real. On the other hand, I'm not too
trusting of anything that UPN does or says these days.

Of the three "lists" I monitor, no one has argued for its
validity, and UPN is taking the brunt of the anger (as they
should).

Steve









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                   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:02:38 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:34:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

>From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Tom Tulien]
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:32:36 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


>Dear List:

>For the record: The UPN/Kiviat production was NOT in the least
>bit original. It was nearly an exact copy of a film produced by
>Dean Alioto/Axiom Films in San Francisco in 1989, titled, UFO
>ABDUCTION. 75 minutes. Alioto took a group of friends, etc. for a
>weekend and enacted the nearly identical sequence of events
>depicted in the UPN docudrama. He did not however, intersperse
>interviews with 'personalities' in his film.
>
>Tom T.


Tom,

For the record, this was not a Kiviat production.  Mr. Alioto is
given credit in the end credits.  No one stole the idea from him,
he just did another one.

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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Marie Ivey <jmi@aretha.jax.org>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:00:41 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:25:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:29 -0400
> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
> > it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
> > suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
> > Kiviat. Too often we scream disinformation when we don't like the
> > tone of the information out there.

> > Second, I think it is important that we focus on the agenda of
> > the UFO community. We all have expressed a desire to elevate it
> > into the scientific arena. We all talk a good game, but too often
> > it is only talk.

> > Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
> > damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
> > in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
> > ourselves in the foot.

> > KRandle

> Kevin:

> I still
> haven't a tape of the show so can't check. What is the source of
> this info?

> Stan


Someone out there must have video taped this program.

Would someone please send Stan a copy.  I fell asleep before the
credits but it was obvious to me that this was an attempt to make
fun of those of us that believe something real is going on.
Please let up on Stan. This is not the first time someone
credible has been used to add credibility to a hoax or if you
will, entertainment.

Best regards,

Marie



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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:46:41 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:27:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:50 -0800
>From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>I can shed a little light on this production.  If you go to the
>University of Michigan's site to the "Science Fiction Films &
>Shows" page at:

>http://www.windows.umich.edu/art_and_music/films.html

>You'll find this entry:

>"UFO Abduction: A True Story.
>     Director: Dean Alioto.
>     Not rated. 93 minutes.
>     Plot: Based on an actual 1983 incident, explores how
>     the lives of a Connecticut family were affected by
>     their abduction and examination by aliens. "

>Indeed, the credits of the UPN show have Dean Alioto as the
>Director and Story Writer.


And, Mr. Alioto is the same dude who filmed the "abduction"
from a child's birthday party which was around several years
ago.  I guess he has developed a cottage industry of making
fake abduction movies.

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                   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:54:10 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:31:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:29 -0400
>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>> Here the clue should have been Bob Kiviat. He produced the Alien
>> Autopsy fraud. That should have been enough to suggest that those
>> who appeared on the show should have given it a pass. We all know
>> that Kiviat edited his shows to put all the aired segments in the
>> best light and he cared nothing about the facts. I stood in the
>> kitchen of the home that had once been owned by Jesse Marcel and
>> listened to the director of the Alien Autopsy flat out lie to
>> me.

>> Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
>> damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
>> in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
>> ourselves in the foot.

>> KRandle

>Kevin:

>I must have missed something. I never heard Kiviat's name
>mentioned in conjunction with this show until your comment. Not
>in California and not in the flood of Comments. If I had, I
>wouldn't have appeared. Is he listed in the credits? I still
>haven't a tape of the show so can't check. What is the source of
>this info?

>Stan


Stan,

You didn't miss anything.  Bob Kiviat was in no way connected
with this program.  This was a Dick Clark production, just like
the crappy stuff hosted by Jonathan Frakes last night on Fox.

Kevin is off base on this one.

Bob










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                 IUFO: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:54:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:54:26 -0500
Subject: IUFO: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax




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http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg04516.shtml

Stanton and Derrel Reply to UPN's Hoax

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:52:05 -0600 (CST)
From: *Vanguard*  [Amy Hebert]
Subject: IUFO: Stanton and Derrel Reply to UPN's Hoax


->  SearchNet's   IUFO   Mailing List

Dear Friends:

As mentioned previously, I wrote to Derrel Sims and Stanton Friedman and
asked them about their role in UPN's production "Alien Abduction Incident At
Lake County".  Below is a copy of my letter and their responses to my
questions...

                            ************

Dear Mr. Friedman (fsphys@brunnet.net):

 I, and many others in the UFO community, watched UPN's show the other night
 in which you appeared and gave your opinions as an investigator and
 researcher.

 The video was an obvious fake and many in the UFO community are outraged.
 We are boycotting UPN, informing the producers and advertisers of our
 feelings and spreading the word.

 Many find it hard to believe you, Derrel and Yvonne would support such an
 obvious hoax and theorize that your interviews were edited to make it look
 like experts were supporting the alleged video of an abduction.  It does
 appear that your comments as well as Derrel's and Yvonne's do not refer to
 the video directly.

 Could you please answer the following questions so many are asking?

  1. Did you know your comments would be used to support the alleged
     abduction video?

  Friedman: No of course not. I didn't see the video and haven't seen the
            program I gave answers to questions about abductions.

 2. Did the producers edit your interview to make it LOOK like you were
    refering to the video when, in fact, you were only refering to
    abductions in general?

 Friedman:  I have no idea how they edited my comments. I wasn't asked about
            the video and said nothing about it.

 3. Did you view the alleged abduction video before making your comments and
    did you believe it to be real or an obvious hoax?

 Friedman:  I didn't see the video. I haven't seen the video. How can I have
            an opinion? Everything I have heard indicates that actors were
            listed and that the probably filmer was a guy named Alioto. I
            have seen nothing to indicate that either the video was genuine
            or that UPN said it was genuine.

 4. Did the producers tell you the video was in actuality produced with
     actors and special effects (as listed in the credits at the end of the
     program) and not a real video of an abduction in progress?

 Friedman:  It was implied after the interview.

 5. This program has openly attempted to discredit you and all researchers
    who are trying to inform the public of the true nature of abduction
    phenomena.  Can you explain how you came to be involved in this project?

 Friedman:  I don't understand how the program attempted to discredit me or
            other researchers. Were my answers off base? Did they give me
            false credentials?  I was called on Dec. 31; trip arranged Jan.
            1, I left on Jan 2 stayed overnight, was interviwed Jan.3 , saw
            my daughter and caught the red eye. Obviously I was contacted
            because I am well known and have been at it a long time. Would
            it really have been better if somebody less able to answer the
            questions rationally hade been used? So far nobody has complained
            about what I actually said or how I said it.
            Hastily, Stan

                       ******************

And this reply from Derrel Sims (derrel@holman.net):

DEAR AMY,

Thank you for asking,

 I  was interviewed on the subject of abductions by an interviewer at  Dick
Clark Productions who asked a series of very general questions about
abductions, I signed a release for the interview I  gave not knowing that
it would be cut and edited into another  piece.  I was not informed by
either the producers, or interviewer,  that my comments would be used in a
video.  I did not see the video.  I did not comment on the video in any
way.  If I had known I was  going to be a part of a production--dramatic or
otherwise--parts of which I was not being shown, I would not have done the
interview. The production entitled "Incident in Lake County" in no way
reflects my opinions about the video. I regret the way my image was used.
In the future I will scrutinize with great care any requests for my
appearances.


Derrel Sims

******************************************

It appears no one has complained to Derrel or Stanton about this video nor
does it seem that either has seen it.  Perhaps those wishing to express
their opinions to UPN may also wish to share it with Stanton and Derrel.

Amy







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                UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO [Current

From: Anatoly Kutovoy <kutovoj@MAIL.IAE.LT>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:13:15 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:17:06 -0500
Subject: UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO [Current

Forwarded for List Members by Anatoly Kutovoy.


From: vladimir@neuro.kharkov.ua
To: kutovoj@mail.iae.lt
Subject: letter

Dear Anatoly,

Your e-mail of January 15 (written in Russian in MIME format)
was quite readable, but your e-mail of January 20 (in Windows-
1251) was not (in its Russian-language part, of course). Thank
you for the information on the supposed crash of an unknown
object not far from Kharkov - I did not hear about this. Isn't
there a possibility to find out the title of the newspaper, in
which this report was published? In any case, I will try to
verify it. At present I have no independent confirmation of the
report.

As for the stories about supposed Chernobyl UFOs, this was a
part of my paper "Alien Contacts and Abduction Experiences: a
Look from the C.I.S.", published in MUFON 1994 International UFO
Symposium Proceedings ("Ufology: a Historical Perspective",
Seguin: MUFON, 1994, pp. 138-152). What follows is this fragment
(p. 150):

     "...About one month before the Chernobyl disaster I had a
talk with an air traffic controller of the Kharkov airport. He
told me that, according to pilots' reports, there was a raising
number of UFO observations in the area of the Chernobyl nuclear
power station (ChNPS). I did not pay special attention to this
information, but put it down. After the disaster I took these
notes from my file and for some time stared at them with, I can
suppose, a rather stupid expression on my face.

     Later it became known that on the night of the fire in the
ChNPS, some 3 hours after the explosion, a team of nuclear
specialists saw in the sky over the station a fiery ball of the
color of brass. The witnesses estimated its diameter as 6-8
meters and its distance from the burning nuclear reactor No. 4
as some 300 meters. Just before the observation these
specialists measured the level of radiation in the place where
they were standing. It was measured at 3000 milliroentgens per
hour. "Suddenly two bright rays of crimson color extended from
the ball to the reactor... This lasted for some 3 minutes... The
rays abruptly faded and the ball slowly floated away in a north-
westerly direction, towards Byelorussia. Then we again looked at
our radiation monitor. It displayed only 800 milliroentgens per
hour..." (quoted from: V.Kratokhvil. UFO: A Time Machine. Kiev:
Vypol, 1993, pp. 6-7.)."

Of course, you may use this text at your web-site.

All my best wishes!

Sincerely, Vladimir Rubtsov







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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: "Steven Kaeser" <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:42:23 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:55:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
>From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>This video has been out AND debunked for quite a while.
>Sightings or some other paranormal program debunked this video
>ages ago.  I even have that episode on tape, and when I get my
>VCR working again, I'll give you the copyright date.  Sightings,
>or whoever, even interviewed the director/story writer and he
>said he was honored that anyone thought this film was real, but
>that it was just a student film project.  Shown where production
>stills of the little girls getting into alien costums and such.

>But the fact is, this video has been out and about for a long
>time, at least two years.  And it has been debunked and a known
>fake for at least a year and a half.  When I saw the Sightings
>(or whatever) show two years ago with this topic, I was under the
>impression that Sightings had done the story on the abduction
>video as if it were real over a year before.

You're thinking of a different video.  The video shown on
sightings was very similar, but not the same one.  I believe that
John has confirmed some of the details regarding the history of
the UPN video, and posted that information to UpDates.  If I
recall, the video shown several years ago on Sightings was a
demonstration video that was created to try and attract interest
in a full fledged production (thankfully never made).  Someone
later decided to send it to a UFO researcher for a laugh and a
number of man-hours were wasted in researching it.

>Shame on UPN
>Shame on the producers
>And double shame on the UFO community for accepting this crap.

Given what we know now, I wouldn't have bothered to watch it.
But given the hype, I didn't want to miss it.  Unfortunately, the
acting was so bad that I didn't stay in the room long enough to
read the credits, which would have confirmed what I already
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                  Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:50:22 -1000
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:02:49 -0500
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on


> From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 12:36 PM

> From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:49 +0000
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

> The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

> A fairly recent addition to the famous Philadelphia Experiment is
> a man called Drue (Andy) who claims he was one of five civilian
> scientists involved in the actual experiment that made the USS
> Eldridge disappear on August 15th 1943.

> In 1947 his memory was magnetically scrambled to prevent recall,
> and in 1952 he was reborn as "Andy" a kind of "walk-in" with a
> suppressed DNA memory. Andy served 22 years of distinguished
> service in the Marine Corps and retired in 1993 as a Master
> Sergeant.

No offense Georgina, but this is the third nonsensical post you
have sent today.  This one is simple, too.  If Andy was a
civilian scientist in 1943, he was at least 21 years of age at
that time, assuming that he went to college for at least a little
while.  If he retired from the Marine Corps in 1993 after 22
years of service, he joined in 1971.  You cannot now, nor could
you ever in this century, join an American military service on a
regular enlistment if you are over 35 years of age. If he was 21
years of age in 1943, he would have been 49 years old in 1971 and
would have been on active duty into his 70s.

There is not even anything to debate here.  It didn't happen.


Aloha
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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:31:28 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:33:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats


> From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:56 +0000
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

> Buddhist  Monastic Claims She Received Death Threats

<snipped>

You  reap what you sow!

If you spread horse-crap  you will gain it in return.

I had honestly expected more from  the people
on this list.

- Larry Hatch







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                 UFO FOrum Chat Tomorrow at 7:00 pm Mtn time

From: "Christopher O'Brien" <tmv@pop.amigo.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:15:36 -7
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:53:00 -0500
Subject: UFO FOrum Chat Tomorrow at 7:00 pm Mtn time


I will be on UFO Forum's Chat tomorrow at publicchat.msn.com
#briefing chat room.  Time:  From 7 pm mtn till ?
Join in, looking forward to hearing from you!

chris

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                  Re: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver

From: jared@valuserve.com (Jared Anderson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:51:27 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:29:42 -0500
Subject: Re: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver

> From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:23:15 +0100
> Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:55:19 -0500
> Subject: USAF Roswell Debunker Richard Weaver Interviewed

> Spokane native helped crash Roswell's party

> Little green men are green, Doug Clark muses, because that's the color
> of money.

> Scorched UFO buffs call him a real Man in Black.

> To spaced-out believers, Richard Weaver is a gatekeeper for the U.S.
> government's conspiracy to hush up the fact that a saucer full of
> cosmic commuters once took a tumble out among the New Mexico
> tumbleweeds.

> Such an earthly explanation predictably sent the UFO community into
> orbit.

> Weaver insists, however, that he never wanted his name linked to little
> green men. "I'd like to be remembered for putting killers and rapists
> in jail. Instead, I'll be the guy who did the study on all this goofy
> UFO stuff."

> Schiff got more than he bargained for. Weaver led a staff of crack
> researchers who spent eight months investigating the case.

> You don't have to be Rocketman to see the Roswell Incident for the load
> of horse twaddle it is.

> Back in 1947, this was only a two-day news story that ended when the
> sticks and foil found were ruled to have come from a weather balloon.
> Space aliens didn't even enter the picture until decades later, when
> kooks like Friedman and others started spouting off and selling books.

> Why? Because big money is to be made.

> Last summer's 50th anniversary party was a galactic blowout that packed
> Roswell with a horde of costumed wackos. It was, says Weaver, "a cross
> between Woodstock and a meeting for the insane."

> There probably is a conspiracy afoot. It is with UFO hucksters who
> can't afford to let truth get in the way of such a lucrative scam.

> "This is logic vs. emotion," says the government's Man in Black.
> "Roswell has become like Paul Bunyan. It's a myth that people believe."


This is one of the most complete examples of the media insulting
the scientists and researchers working in ufology that I've seen
in a long time.

Very impressive.

I personally think that Weaver and his associates in the Air
Force didn't even come close to matching research which indicated
a ballon explanation that hard working civilian researchers like
Karl Pflock and Robert Todd have dug up through the years. Weaver
doesn't deserve credit for original research, he played off
civilian research, we all know it.

This report goes a lot further than interviewing Weaver and
presenting a skeptical perspective on Roswell. It insults the
whole field of ufology with extreme prejudice.




Jared.









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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:42 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:47:20 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


> From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:44:30 -0800

> >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:13 -0400
> >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video

> >At the risk of repeating myself. I did not see the video. I did not say
> >anything about the video. I wasn't asked anything about the video and I
> >have not yet seen the program because it wasn't shown here. I understand
> >that the creator was a guy named Alioto. Len.. did I say anything you
> >felt wasn't true? Or is it entirely the context? If My words were
> >falsely used, then I may have a cause for legal action. Has anybody
> >talked to the FCC about whether there should be a disclaimer if fiction
> >is presented as fact? Could one read the names of the actors which I
> >understand were listed in the credits?

> >Stan Friedman

> Mr. Friedman,

> You have spent so much of your life in pursuit of answers, real
> answers in regards to the UFO phenomena and then you take time to
> separating the fact from the fiction so that people like myself
> would have a better understanding of what's happening in our
> world. I greatly appreciate that.

> But you missed my point in the earlier e-mail I posted. Your name
> was used to try and legitimatize the UPU abduction show. Whether
> or not your comments are accurate in regards to abduction
> situations, they should not have been delivered in this "vehicle"
> because it hurts your cause. So the real point is, did you allow
> them to use your name or did they simply use stock video without
> your permission or knowledge. I can't tell from your response.

> Len Fedullo

Len:

I don't understand your question. I was interviewed in person on
January 3 for the UPN show. Parts of my pieces were apparently
used in the show.

What stock video?I gather it was skillful editing not having seen
the show. I am not psychic. If this was a terrible show, as I
gather most people thought, it was certainly not the first and
won't be the last ?>  Does it do more damage than the many phony
claims that have been made by the likes of Bob Lazar, Frank
Stranges, Guy Kirkwood, Frank Kaufmann etc..

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                          Charleston AFB, SC, 1975

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:29:52 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:50:00 -0500
Subject: Charleston AFB, SC, 1975

The 1975 flyover reports were very interesting.  Not all
reports have been published.  Perhaps the report below was
related to that activity.  It is too bad this report was not
followed up at the time.   The name has been deleted per the
writer's request.

--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/

>To:  National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena


Dear Sirs:

I just finished reading an article in the Sunday newspaper
magazine, Parade.  The article, UFO's vs.  USAF, described
incidents which were identical to one with which I had some
personal involvement.  Though I can't pinpoint the exact time,
the incident occurred in late 1974 or early into 1975.

I was a staff sergeant in the Air Force, working an evening shift
at Charleston AFB, SC., xxxxxxxxxxxx Section.  I received a call
from a chief petty officer at the Charleston Navy Weapons Station
(nuclear storage area).  He wanted to know whether we had any
information on the three helicopters (or whatever) which were
hovering over the storage area.  He said they were just hovering
and each was shining a bright light which was scanning the area.
I informed the chief that I had no flight plan information on
helicopters or any other aircraft which would be in that area.  I
took his name ad number and told him I would call back if I found
out anything.  I then called the airport control tower.  They
informed me that tower personnel had been and were observing the
three lights and had assumed them to be helicopters on a VFR
flight plan.  when I explained that the objects were over the
weapons station, tower attempted radio contact with no response.
The tower controller also checked with airport radar w ho could
not pick the objects up on scope nor had they had any radio
contact.  I then called the Jacksonville, Fla.  Air Traffic
Control Center.  The controller there also had no information on
the "helicopters".  I made one other call in trying to determine
information on the objects.  The Charleston AFS, an Air Defense
Command radar site, is located near the municipal terminal side
of the airport.  The person I spoke to there (airman) seemed
vague, unconcerned and unresponsive to the information but said
they would check on it.  I then called the navy chief to let him
know I had struck out.  He said the objects had just left the
area heading in the direction of the ocean.  A final call to the
control tower revealed that they had just observed the objects
disappear from view, out to seat at a very low altitude.

The incident described is accurate to the best of my memory.
It left me a bit shaken and greatly concerned about our air
defense and security procedures.  Since there was nothing about
the incident in the news the next day nor any apparent concern
from military superiors, I decided to "tip" Mr.  Hal Boykin, a
local TV anchor man.  He gave a brief report a couple of days
later.  Basically all that was reported was that Charleston navy
officials had confirmed the incident and had it under
investigation.

As you can tell, the incident I have described is very similar or
identical to the ones in the Parade article with nuclear storage
areas being the "target" of the objects.  However, this incident
happened several months prior to any of those.  It happened in a
different geographical area and to the Navy instead of the Air
Force.  Could this have been the initial practice run as a
prelude to the sightings mentioned in the article?

There still may be a casual record of the Charleston sighting in
the dispatchers log book at base operations.  These logs are
usually kept for a longer period than routine office files.
Regardless, four civilian employees are still there who should
have some recall of the incident.  They are Mrs.  Lois Wells,
Mr.
McFarland, Mr.  Froman and Mr.  Thornburg.  I'm not sure, but I
think Mr.  Froman was my shift supervisor when the incident
happened.

Personally, I do not believe these were UFO's in the traditional
sense.  I believe they were penetration of our security and
defense either by our own forces for the purpose of testing the
system or by a foreign adversary for reconnaissance purposes.  I
only hope that the former was the case.

I hope this information will be of some use to your organization.
 It has been bugging me for sometime now.  Since I am a career
NCO still on active duty with the Air Force, I request you keep
my name and that I used to work at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
confidential.  I am not authorized to give out this type of
information and am subject to punitive measures for doing so.

Respectfully,









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                            Perry, GA, Fall 1975

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:13:29 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:36:30 -0500
Subject: Perry, GA, Fall 1975

In the direction of Warner-Robbins AFB, GA, Fall 1975.

A vague sighting and out of the 1975 flyover flap time frame.
It is interesting that two members of the family witnessed
possibly the same object at different locations.  Perhaps
Michael Hitt will turn something up in his research.


--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
==============================================================

 Perry, Georgia 31069
                                       January 29, 1979


National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena
1 Bank Street, Suite 307
Gaithersburg, Md. 20760

Dear Sirs:

I am writing this after having read the report in the Dec.
10, 1978 issue of "Parade" magazine of UFO's around SAC
bases in 1975.  I remembered immediately something which
I witnessed here during the fall of that year that I couldn't
explain then nor since.  Here is what happened:

I was in my house one afternoon, the exact time I'm not sure,
but perhaps around four o'clock.  The child who lives next
door, then a girl of seven, came in and told me excitedly to
come out and "look at the flying saucers." I went out and
looked where she pointed, high and to the northeast or north
of northeast.  Shortly I saw two bright objects not too far
apart, moving slowly or not at all.  They appeared to be
floating around and were apparently at a pretty good distance
from us, about 10 mi. After a little while one moved to my left,
slowly, until it was about due north.  I estimate it was now
separated from the other object by about five miles, if my first
distance estimation is correct.  It also seemed a little closer
to me.  It stopped there and just stayed there.

About this time I decided to go in and get a pair of binoculars.
I came back out and by this time the one to the north had started
moving back toward the other one, which was still.  I tried to
find the latter one in the glasses.  I had to sight a couple of
times before I found it. I saw a bright, spherical, metallic
object, just sitting still.  I watched it a few seconds and
suddenly saw the other object whiz right past it as I watched
through the binoculars. I put them down to watch and saw both
of them start moving, away and soon out of sight, straight away
and to the northeast, (or north of northeast).

The "Parade" article got me to thinking about this again when
I realized these objects were going in the approximate direction
of Warner Robins where we have a SAC base, I'm sure you know.  I
never reported my sighting to any authority at the time because,
frankly, I just discounted the possibility that I had actually
seen a "UFO" and explained it to myself as balloons, possibly
launched from the base.

I have talked over the incident again with my young neighbor
(Beth Akridge).  She says she saw them a lot better befgre I
saw them.  She said they were round with rings around them.
I'm not sure if she means stripes or circular fins.  She first
went to get her mother after first seeing them, and then came
to get me after her mother looked a little and went back inside.
Her mother did not see them, but it is possible they were partly
obscured by trees when she looked, according to what her daughter
has told me about their direction.

I do not recall any mention of sightings at this time in any
local press.

I was able to ascertain the time of this happening as in the
fall of 1975 in this manner:  I had a brother who was commuting
to work in Macon, north of here, at this time.  I discussed my
sighting with him the afternoon it happened after he returned
home from work, and he had seen something unusual in the sky
ahead of him on his way home.  He had seen only one object and
apparently not as well as I had.  But he also recalled it and
we were able to nail down the date in this way.  On further
thought, he would have been most likely driving down between
five and five-thirty or around then sometime.

I hope this will be of interest.  If I can be of further help,
let me know.

Sincerely,

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                             Re: 'The Threat'...

From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:24:22 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:16:10 -0500
Subject: Re: 'The Threat'...

> From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:37:53 -0500 (EST)


>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:10:19 -0800


>> Well, science fiction has only really existed for a relatively
>> short time, at least as a literature of technical extrapolation.
>> So I can't see how UFO descriptions, which have remained
>> relatively unchanged (given the difficulty in interpreting or
>> assessing the credibility of older sources) could follow SF
>> fashion.

> Well, I'll hold of my assessment of that until I look further
> into the subject.  All that I can say is what I have read has
> lead me to regard the descriptions as more fluid, but that may as
> well be a reflection insufficient reading.


Dear Mark and William:

Here perhaps, is another perspective on the role of Science
Fiction. Sci Fi has always produced an interest in other worlds,
coupled with a sober realization that we're not going to GO
there. In essence it says, "OK, so we are not going there, then
this is the only way, so let's get to work on it." It is a bit
like someone asking whether a particular film is based on
actual/true experiences. What movie isn't? I prefer to think of
Sci Fi as an art form (human imagination) that fills in the void
which science has yet (or may never be able) to achieve. Because
it is certainly the domain of science to look for ETI, however,
to actually find it is not!

What is most curious to me, is the disdain most Sci Fi writers
and affectionados have for the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, somehow,
finding ETI would threaten the demise of the genre?

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                  Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:23:19 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:49:50 -0500
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on


> From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:49 +0000
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

> In 1947 his memory was magnetically scrambled to prevent recall,

Well, I may not know very much about UFOs, but I do know
something about the brain.  You cannot "magnetically scramble"
memory.

The term "memory" actually includes several different subtypes
which operate differently.  However, for the purpose of this
discussion we can limit it to declarative memory operating in
three time domains: immediate or short-term memory (STM),
intermediate-term memory (ITM), and long-term memory (LTM) [note:
some authors use STM to refer to intermediate term memory; for
this discussion I'll use STM, ITM, and LTM].

STM is thought to operate as a primarily as a "signal" phenomenon
with the information encoded in the various signals flowing
through the cortex and limbic areas.  It can hold roughly 7
(+/-2) independent "things" at once, and operates on a short time
scale (up to a few minutes).  Due to its electrical nature it is
of course highly susceptible to electrical interference and,
presumably, strong magnetic fields which would induce electrical
eddy currents.

The mechanism of ITM is less well known but probably includes
long- term potentiation (LTP) and long-term depression of neurons
in the hippocampus, mediated by NMDA receptors (which act as a
neural "coincidence detector" of sorts).  ITM is theoretically
susceptible to electrical (and thus magnetic) interference, as
LTP can be reversed in an some neurons with the correct pulse
train.  However, as the effects of ECT demonstrate, the reaction
of an entire network of neurons is unlike the reaction of an
individual neuron.  Furthermore, ITM is not the permanent
location of memories and the time for integration from ITM to
permanent memory is highly variable, ranging from a few minutes
to, potentially, years.

LTM is permanent and probablyinvolves changes in genetic
expression that affect synaptic function, presumably throughout
the cortex.  The process of integration of memory from ITM to LTM
may include sleep (both REM and NREM) but some suggest it occurs
during waking as well.

Cases of hippocampal damage or removal have demonstrated that
while anterograde amnesia (affecting new declarative memories) is
total, retrograde amnesia (affecting things already learned) is
not, and there is no way of knowing how much of a person's past
they will forget.  Some people lose only a few days; others lose
years of their life.

So at the very worst, all you could get with a magnetic (or
electrical) effect would be an unreliable removal of memories, at
least a few days and at most a few years.  And that's even
assuming you could somehow magically induce all the neurons in
the hippocampus (and probably other regions) to "reset".  Given
that neither repeated ECT nor lightning strikes have reliably
demonstrated even *this* effect, I would conclude that "magnetic"
erasing of memory is impossible except for those memories encoded
within a very short and highly unpredictable time frame.

Please remember, the brain is biochemical first and electrical
second.

> and in 1952 he was reborn as "Andy" a kind of "walk-in" with a
> suppressed DNA memory.

And I'm not even going to *start* with "DNA memory".


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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:26:40 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:12:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

 >From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
 >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:56 +0000
 >To: updates@globalserve.net
 >Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats


 > Buddhist  Monastic Claims She Received Death Threats

 > An ordained Buddhist monastic, the Rev Mary Teal Coleman, has
 > apparently stated under oath that when she approached William
 > Moore (best remembered for his part in the MJ12 documents expose)
 > with information about a film of a downed UFO held inside a
 > military hanger, Moore threatened her life. She accuses him of
 > being a self confessed controlled informant for an intelligence
 > agency, and believes an investigation of Moore will reveal a
 > black budget programme, probably used by the (NRO) National
 > Reconnaissance Office.  She also states that when she visited the
 > (then) Secretary of Defense, Perry, that one of his staff, Frank
 > Brierton, warned her if she tried to communicate again, she would
 > be sued for stalking.

<snpped>

 > Georgina Bruni

Dear Georgina:

Where do you get these stories? Do you make them up whole-cloth?
Obviously, you have an active imagination, but I would be careful
including non-fictitious characters in your stories. Personally,
I find these entries of yours rather insulting and wonder why you
do not direct your efforts to more positive endeavours.

Tom T.







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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:15:35 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:58:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:22:34 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>>Dear List:

>>For the record: The UPN/Kiviat production was NOT in the least
>>bit original. It was nearly an exact copy of a film produced by
>>Dean Alioto/Axiom Films in San Francisco in 1989, titled, UFO
>>ABDUCTION. 75 minutes. Alioto took a group of friends, etc. for a
>>weekend and enacted the nearly identical sequence of events
>>depicted in the UPN docudrama. He did not however, intersperse
>>interviews with 'personalities' in his film.

>>Tom T.

>Tom-

>"Incident at Lake County" was produced by Dick Clark Productions, not
>Kiviat/Green or Robert Kiviat.  Are you saying that Robert Kiviat is now
>working for Dick Clark Productions?

No doubt Kiviat is kicking himself for missing this one!

>Tha Alioto "film" you mention was created filmed as a
>low budget demonstration designed to attract investors
>in a full fledged feature film. That project fell through
>and someone who got a copy decided to have some fun with
>it and sent it to some UFO researchers without further
>explanation.

I have spoken with Dean Alioto in the past. This film was
released for distribution years ago by him. I received a copy
from him. (It seems as though your information is acquired from
watching the Sightings Show and was probably a useful opportunity
for Alioto to set up the sale). The first time I saw the film was
at Bob Brown's UFO Extravaganza when A UFO 'researcher' brought a
copy and presented it as though it JUST MIGHT BE TRUE. He thought
it was- or so he said. Many people there thought it was as well.

>The only similarities that exist pertain to the general plot,
>and not much more.
>Steve

OBVIOUSLY, you have not seen Alioto's film. I would have a hard
time finding any major differences - besides the actors
themselves. Oh yea, the spaceship in the original did not have
jet rockets and the reason for the family get-together was not a
child's birthday but rather Thanksgiving. Thought of another one,
the actors probably did not get paid in the original, whereas, in
the UPN version, ALL participants received union scale. One more,
the original was set in Connecticut and shot in San Francisco-
UPN was shot ??? and set in MN.

WHO CARES????? THIS IS A DEAD TOPIC!!!!!!!

Tom T.








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                   Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]

From: BGBOPPER <BGBOPPER@aol.com> [Russ Estes]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:45:57 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:06:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing [Kiviat]


>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:54:10 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:29 -0400
>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

>>> Here the clue should have been Bob Kiviat. He produced the Alien
>>> Autopsy fraud. That should have been enough to suggest that those
>>> who appeared on the show should have given it a pass. We all know
>>> that Kiviat edited his shows to put all the aired segments in the
>>> best light and he cared nothing about the facts. I stood in the
>>> kitchen of the home that had once been owned by Jesse Marcel and
>>> listened to the director of the Alien Autopsy flat out lie to
>>> me.

>>> Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
>>> damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
>>> in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
>>> ourselves in the foot.

>>> KRandle

>>Kevin:

>>I must have missed something. I never heard Kiviat's name
>>mentioned in conjunction with this show until your comment. Not
>>in California and not in the flood of Comments. If I had, I
>>wouldn't have appeared. Is he listed in the credits? I still
>>haven't a tape of the show so can't check. What is the source of
>>this info?

>>Stan


>Stan,

>You didn't miss anything.  Bob Kiviat was in no way connected
>with this program.  This was a Dick Clark production, just like
>the crappy stuff hosted by Jonathan Frakes last night on Fox.

>Kevin is off base on this one.

>Bob


Bob,

Kevin was not the one off base... if it was anyone it was me.

I am the one who mentioned to Kevin that Bob Kiviat was involved.
The information that I recieved was given to me from outside the
UFO community and it was the Kiviat brought the project to UPN.
This does not mean that he was ultimately the producer. SOOO
if any chastiement is due you may feel free to direct it at me.

Of course the involvment of Mr. Kiviat is a moot point and has
little to due with the fact that researchers sat for interviews
for the UPN program.

Even worse than Mr. Kiviat is the Director/writer/producer Mr
Alieoto who is the same gent who took credit for the Birthday
party fraud of 1993 or so.

The basic point made by Mr. Randle and I still stands.  It is
still the responsibility of each person asked for an interview to
at least ask the producers what they plan to do and what will the
program be about?

So lets not do the typical nit picking about Kiv or no Kiv and
agree that more caution must be placed firmly on the back of the
folks who are allowing themselves to be interviewed.

Open minds R us,
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                          Madeira Island UFO Report

From: Joaquim Fernandes <j.fernan@esoterica.pt>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:08:25 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:51:59 -0500
Subject: Madeira Island UFO Report

From a journalist of "Jornal da Madeira" our organisation has
learned about a alleged UFO sighting in the night of 31/12/97 at
Funchal, the capital town of Madeira Island in the Atlantic
Ocean. That night was occurring the New Year's festivities with
fires in the sky. But several local witnesses, among them
foreigners, were called their attention to a round and motionless
light above Funchal. The same journalist and her husband have
previously observed the same light a little above the horizon and
thought it could be a fishing boat lights.

The important and significance of this was the next movement of
the light: suddenly it made a very tight circle around, returned
to the initial point and a few seconds latter it accelerated at
great speed and climbing up to the town's vertical.

The journalist called the Portuguese Air Force Headquarters in
Lisbon asking if it the sighting could be due to an helicopter
movement and lights but the source discarded that hypothesis.
So, the military send the witness contact me, under the usual
cooperation between our scientific organisation and the FAP
Command, a kind of cooperation not very common, as all we know...

A important note is this: the unusual light's was taped by a
English couple who was in Funchal that night. We are asking for
help from anyone, in Britain, perhaps, that could be aware of
existence of this videotape. Maybe the document could be offered to
a UFO expert or two. We would be happy to exchange our
information and data if and when available.


Joaquim Fernandes
SPEC
University Fernando Pessoa
Porto - Portugal








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                  Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

From: Rob Irving <RobIrving@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:55:59 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:43:58 -0500
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

>  From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
>  Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:49 +0000
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

>  The Philadelphia Experiment lives on

<merciful snip>

Georgina,

>  Drue has some interesting information for Roswell fans. He claims
>  it was the result of another time related experiment being
>  conducted underground that disturbed the earth's planetary
>  magnetic grid and caused quantum gates to open up. Any ET 's
>  travelling the corridor at the time got caught up and
>  materialised. He insists there was not just the one or two
>  crashes we know about, but a total of 16, with 45 dead aliens of
>  different types recovered.

So, according to Drue and his Quantum Gates theory, our
multiverses are stock full of alien craft buzzing around, in
which case 16 crashes seems a rather low casualty rate.

>  Now that would surely account for all the different witness
>  descriptions!

But does it surely account for the shortage of wreckage? Do you
actually believe Drue - if so, why? - or are you just whimsically
promulgating more BS? If so, to what end?  By not applying at
least a modicum of rationale to what you're told you risk losing
the good (i.e. might be true) material in the deluge.

Rob

~~  "Shoddy explanations that yield correct predictions are two a penny,
as UFO enthusiasts, conspiracy-theorists and pseudoscentists of every variety
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:39:54 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:52:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
>From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:50 -0800
>> From: "Terry J. Blanton" <commengr@bellsouth.net>
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>> I can shed a little light on this production.  If you go to the
>> University of Michigan's site to the "Science Fiction Films &
>> Shows" page at:

>> http://www.windows.umich.edu/art_and_music/films.html

>> You'll find this entry:

>> "UFO Abduction: A True Story.
>>      Director: Dean Alioto.
>>      Not rated. 93 minutes.
>>      Plot: Based on an actual 1983 incident, explores how
>>      the lives of a Connecticut family were affected by
>>      their abduction and examination by aliens. "

>> Indeed, the credits of the UPN show have Dean Alioto as the
>> Director and Story Writer.

>I didn't see the UPN video, but I told John Valez in a private
>note what I'm about to share with you now.  Perhaps John will be
>so good as to confirm that I mentioned it to him. I'm going into
>much more detail here.

Confirmed! And, you were right about it being recycled stuff.

>On a related subject... If UFO research is ever to enter a
>realistic, respected, and honored role in the media, then it must
>act like it deserves it. I commend John Valez for his actions in
>refusing to participate. I am shocked that Stan Friedman
>participated in a project without seeing even a tiny peice of the
>film in question.  As a television producer, I am shocked at the
>tricks used to bring legitamacy to this program..

I'd like to say something here. No-one is ever (all) right or
(all) wrong. Life is just a mix of hits and misses and some
close calls for us all. Stan Friedman needs no 'redcrossing'
from me, that man has been on the front lines of the public
awareness battle for -decades!- Although anyone may choose
to take issue with Stan about "work" related details I think
it's unfair the way this -pioneer- is being judged here on
this list about this -one- UPN appearance.

If Stan Friedman was one of those guys that turned up on
these rip-off programs consistently that would be one
thing, but that's not the case here. Because of all the good
work that this guy has done in the past he should be taken
at his word, (He went into a studio and answered the questions
put to him. Period) without any of us trying to read any more
into it than that.

This man was doing media way before UFOs became a "hot"
or "marketable" commodity. When ridicule and personal attack
was the big reward for speaking out publicly. Everybody has at
one time or another applauded Stan for some contribution or
other or some past program or other that he had something to
do with.

Again, why is -this guy- being picked apart? It's crazy.
There are guys like Derrel Sims that are consistently
associated with "carnival side shows" just like the one
UPN produced. He's -always- associated with questionable
material and programs. Not a peep out of anyone about
that snake-oil salesman, but Stan (a guy that made his
'bones' years ago and has -earned- our respect) get's
talked about/ judged/ sentenced and executed all in
one week!

Donde esta la justicia? Where is the justice in that?

Stan, the explanation that you gave, added to the fact
that you haven't even had a chance to see how they
edited your responses is good enough for me. Out of
gratitude and respect for all the work you've done for so
many years I think you deserve to be treated as a man of
honor. Your word is good with me Stan, and I'm sure
with a great many others as well.

Sorry to take so much time to say this but these posts
demonizing Stan for his participation in this UPN thing
has been bothering me. If you want to get after 'bad guys'
make sure you -have- a bad guy! This is a case of mistaken
identity, Stan Friedman -is not- and has -never been- one
of the 'bad guys.'

>Shame on UPN
>Shame on the producers
>And double shame on the UFO community for accepting this crap.

There ya go Mike! Now you're putting the blame where it belongs.
Add "Sims" and that "actress" of an abductee that appeared as one
of the "experts" and I'll sign the petition!

Shoot, I'll throw the switch! <G>

Another two cents from my piggie! Take care Mike, good post.

John Velez









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                          Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:15:32 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:57:23 -0500
Subject: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

Hello!

I ran across this link:

http://www.io.com/~stephens/Mars/id4/id4.html

and am wondering if there is any background to this video clip.
It shows the Sojourner out and about when a huge shadow passes
over the entire area, akin to the ID4 movie.

I have noted that when this 'shadow' covers the area, the
previous shadows of the rocks etc. are still visible, only
darker. Not being versed in the photgraphic analysis arena, I was
curious if this is a clue indicating that the picture was
altered. I would expect shadows of objects to completely
disappear when this larger shadow envelopes the area, rather than
just get darker.  IOW, the previous shadows are still
distinguishable under the 'larger' shadow.

Any comments?

Regards,
Paul









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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:35:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:21:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:56 +0000
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>An ordained Buddhist monastic, the Rev Mary Teal Coleman, has
>apparently stated under oath that when she approached William
>Moore (best remembered for his part in the MJ12 documents expose)
>with information about a film of a downed UFO held inside a
>military hanger, Moore threatened her life. She accuses him of
>being a self confessed controlled informant for an intelligence
>agency, and believes an investigation of Moore will reveal a
>black budget programme, probably used by the (NRO) National
>Reconnaissance Office.  She also states that when she visited the
>(then) Secretary of Defense, Perry, that one of his staff, Frank
>Brierton, warned her if she tried to communicate again, she would
>be sued for stalking.

<snip>

I missed this when it was first posted and have to thank a list
member for calling my attention to it.

I tracked down Mary Teal Coleman a couple of years ago after
Wendelle told me about her trying to peddle a film of an alien
autopsy and UFO crash some years ago.

I tracked her down at the Dharma Institute in Charlottesville,
Virginia.  I wrote her a very polite letter telling her what I
had been told and asking for more information.

In return I was reported to the FBI and local law enforcement as
harassing her!

I got a couple of threatening letters from her, and then started
getting letters from some lawyer, equally threatening.
I turned this over to my lawyer who sent a note to her lawyer
basically saying he was WAY out of line and would find himself
the target of legal action if he persisted.

The lawyer also threatened me with legal action for copyright
infringement if I wrote about Mary Teal Coleman and her
"research", which showed me that the man had not even the vaguest
notion of how copyright works.  Since she has published nothing,
there is no way I could violate her copyright by talking about
her.

I never heard anything more from her or her lawyer.

BTW, in her initial letter to me she accused me of being a CIA
operative and denied any knowledge of any such film.  Now it
appears that she is talking about it.

According to Wendelle's original story to me, she was claiming
back in the 60s to have physical possession of the film and was
trying to sell it.  Wendelle set up a meeting with her with
someone who wanted to buy the film, but she never showed up at
the meeting.  Wendelle says he never saw the film.  At one time I
thought this might tie in to substantiating the Santilli AA
film, but after my experience with MTC I think it was all a bunch
of BS.

I think the woman is seriously mentally disturbed.

Bob






















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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: KRandle993@aol.com [Kevin Randle]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:19:21 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:01:23 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:42 -0400
>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video


>> From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
>> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video
>> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:44:30 -0800

>> >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:13 -0400
>> >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video

>> >At the risk of repeating myself. I did not see the video. I did not say
>> >anything about the video. I wasn't asked anything about the video and I
>> >have not yet seen the program because it wasn't shown here. I understand
>> >that the creator was a guy named Alioto. Len.. did I say anything you
>> >felt wasn't true? Or is it entirely the context? If My words were
>> >falsely used, then I may have a cause for legal action. Has anybody
>> >talked to the FCC about whether there should be a disclaimer if fiction
>> >is presented as fact? Could one read the names of the actors which I
>> >understand were listed in the credits?

>> >Stan Friedman

>> Mr. Friedman,

>> You have spent so much of your life in pursuit of answers, real
>> answers in regards to the UFO phenomena and then you take time to
>> separating the fact from the fiction so that people like myself
>> would have a better understanding of what's happening in our
>> world. I greatly appreciate that.

>> But you missed my point in the earlier e-mail I posted. Your name
>> was used to try and legitimatize the UPU abduction show. Whether
>> or not your comments are accurate in regards to abduction
>> situations, they should not have been delivered in this "vehicle"
>> because it hurts your cause. So the real point is, did you allow
>> them to use your name or did they simply use stock video without
>> your permission or knowledge. I can't tell from your response.

>> Len Fedullo

>Len:

>I don't understand your question. I was interviewed in person on
>January 3 for the UPN show. Parts of my pieces were apparently
>used in the show.

>What stock video? I gather it was skillful editing not having seen
>the show. I am not psychic. If this was a terrible show, as I
 >gather most people thought, it was certainly not the first and
>won't be the last ?>  Does it do more damage than the many phony
>claims that have been made by the likes of Bob Lazar, Frank
>Stranges, Guy Kirkwood, Frank Kaufmann etc..

>STFriedman

Stan -

You forgot to mention Gerald Anderson and MJ-12 in your list of
phony claims.

But to answer your question, yeah, it is worse than those simply
because this was a national forum and most of those you mentioned
are not well known outside of the UFO community. If you asked a
number of people on the street, they couldn't identify those
names.

And the real question is why you didn't ask the producers of the
program some hard questions before you sat down for them.
Apparently they were providing enough information that John Velez
was able to discern the direction of the program so that he
refused to participate.

Responsibility for that program lies at the feet of the producers
who decided to exploit the UFO field. But, we, in the UFO
community have to take the responsibility for our actions.

Finally, you might not like what Frank Kaufmann says, but he is
much more reliable than Gerald Anderson.

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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:16:56 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:18:03 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:42 -0400
> From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video

> > From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
> > To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video
> > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:44:30 -0800

<snip>

> > Mr. Friedman,

> > You have spent so much of your life in pursuit of answers, real
> > answers in regards to the UFO phenomena and then you take time to
> > separating the fact from the fiction so that people like myself
> > would have a better understanding of what's happening in our
> > world. I greatly appreciate that.

> > But you missed my point in the earlier e-mail I posted. Your name
> > was used to try and legitimatize the UPU abduction show. Whether
> > or not your comments are accurate in regards to abduction
> > situations, they should not have been delivered in this "vehicle"
> > because it hurts your cause. So the real point is, did you allow
> > them to use your name or did they simply use stock video without
> > your permission or knowledge. I can't tell from your response.

> > Len Fedullo

> Len:

> I don't understand your question. I was interviewed in person on
> January 3 for the UPN show. Parts of my pieces were apparently
> used in the show.

> What stock video?I gather it was skillful editing not having seen
> the show.

I think he is referring to footage taken during interviews with
you on previous UFO programs, either from the same production
company or another. Production companies rarely throw away 'stock
footage' saving it to use on subsequent programs if it suits
their needs, or to sell the right to use it to some other program
or network. Unless you specify differently in your release, your
video material can be used over and over by the owner of the
film/video stock. Most professional producers would character key
the footage on final edit to indicate that it was 'file
footage'.

> I am not psychic. If this was a terrible show, as I
> gather most people thought, it was certainly not the first and
> won't be the last ?>  Does it do more damage than the many phony
> claims that have been made by the likes of Bob Lazar, Frank
> Stranges, Guy Kirkwood, Frank Kaufmann etc..

> STFriedman

Just to make a brief point here, and I know this is not going to
happen, but if you want to put the screws to UPN the best way to
do it in the short term is for all of the high profile UFO
investigators, those who get regular air-time, to refuse to do
anymore UFO related interviews without strict control of their
material, and cite UPN's 'unprofessional treatment of its
talent' as the reason. That means you want constant updates of
the video edit as it pertains to your segment of the program and
in the context of the program. But you can't whine to them about
it. Just tell them that's the way it is and move on. They'll go
along because they have to. Some executive producer and director
at UPN is going to suffer eventually because of it...because down
the road his/her name is going to come up for another special
(UFO or whatever) and the exec.pro's. and director's name will be
NOT considered because they caused trouble. Don't forget, the
exec. producer, director and most of the crew are hired on
contract to do each 'Special' and the producer (say Dicky baby)
doesn't need the heartaches the next time he/she puts together
another.

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                      UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Dan Sherman

From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:44:52 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:10:46 -0500
Subject: UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest Dan Sherman

UNITED KINGDOM UFO NETWORK

Saturday 31st January 1998

United Kingdom UFO Network special IRC guest:

Dan Sherman

Dan Sherman went into the United States Air Force like most other
Americans, extremely proud to serve his country and it's well
trained military. During his twelve years in service he was
recognised for heroism and has been decorated with the AF
Commendation Medal, as well as the AF Achievement Medal with two
oakleaf clusters and was honoured for service in the Persion Gulf
War.

Everything appeared to be going well for Sergeant Sherman until
he was recruited into a special programme called 'Project
Preserve Destiny' (PPD), an ABOVE BLACK project which would
eventually change his life and result in him leaving the USAF.

Dan will be answering your questions live in a moderated meeting
taking place at 11pm UK time on Saturday 31st January 1998.

http://www.aboveblack.com/

An account of Dan's story has just appeared in the latest issue
of Sightings (UK) - January 98 - Vol 2 - Issue 8 & From Beyond
(USA) - January 98


From Dan's home page:

About the Author

Dan Sherman spent almost three years as an intuitive communicator
while serving in the USAF. In ABOVE BLACK he tells of his
training, things he learned from his alien contacts and the
events that lead him to seek a discharge from the United States
Air Force, at all costs.

By coming forward, he hopes his story will encourage other
insiders to do likewise. Sherman says, "The information I have
come forward with is important in the sense that someone has to
start talking... someone from the inside. Preserve Destiny is
only one of many alien projects that I suspect the US government,
as well as other governments, are heavily involved with. In
releasing to the public what I know, I have tried to take a stand
against the keepers of the grey flame within the sacred halls of
the NSA, CIA, USAF, NRO and other agencies. Hopefully this will
open the door for other insiders to peer through and feel more
comfortable stepping out into the light of day. If not, 'they'
will continue to suppress the most fascinating aspects of our own
existence... that others exist!"

Serving over 12 years in the United States Air Force, Dan Sherman
has been recognized for heroism and has been decorated with the
AF Commendation Medal and the AF Achievment Medal with two
oakleaf clusters. He has also received the AF Outstanding Unit
Award with three oakleaf clusters as well as being honored for
service in the Persian Gulf war. He is married with no children.

---

The Real Audio sound track of Dan's interview on 'Sightings On
The Radio' can be downloaded for offline listening from the
following addresses:

Sightings On The Radio - August 6th 1997

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt1.ra
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt2.ra
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt3.ra
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan_pt4.ra

dan_pt1.ra - 2.155kb
dan_pt2.ra - 1.948kb
dan_pt3.ra - 1.856kb
dan_pt4.ra - 1.165kb

Dans second interview on 'Sightings On The Radio'

Sightings On The Radio - October 29th 1997

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan2-pt1.ra
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/uk-ufo-nw/sounds/dan2-pt2.ra

dan2-pt1.ra - 1.899kb
dan2-pt2.ra - 1.792kb

Dan's interviews can be heard in streaming (online) Real Audio at
the following addresses:

Sightings On The Radio - August 6th 1997

http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9708/end0806.ram

Sightings On The Radio - October 29th 1997

http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/9710/end1029.ram

Art Bell Show - November 10th 1997

http://ww2.audionet.com/artbell/abell/9711/ab1110.ram

---

Remember Dan will be answering your questions live in a moderated
meeting taking place at 11pm UK time on Saturday 31st January
1998.

If you are using one of the dedicated IRC programs such as the
excellent MIRC available free from: http://www.mirc.co.uk/ enter
one of the below irc server addresses into your program. The
nearer the server to your location the faster the connection. If
one fails then try another.

If you wish to use your web browser to connect to the meetings,
see further below...

Once connected join channel #UFO

London.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
Harrow.UK.EU.UltraNET.Org
Johnson-City.TN.US.UltraNet.Org
Mons.BE.EU.ultraNET.Org
PanamaCity.FL.US.UltraNET.org
Vicksburg.MS.US.UltraNET.org
Madison.NJ.US.UltraNet.Org
Bor.YU.EU.UltraNet.org
Testlink.HK.UltraNet.Org
Neuilly.FR.EU.UltraNET.Org
San-Diego.CA.US.UltraNet.org

If you wish to use your java compatable web browser to connect to
the meeting i.e.

Netscape 3 ++
MS Internet Explorer 4 ++

go to url's:

http://www.holodeck.demon.co.uk/
http://www.crowman.demon.co.uk/

and select the appropriate IRC page. Follow the easy online
instructions.

The meeting will commence live at the following world times. This
is not a definitive list. Times will vary depending on your part
of the world. We advise you to check for accuracy.

United Kingdom: 11pm
Auckland: 10am (Sunday)
Beijing: 6am (Sunday)
Berlin: Midnight
Cairo: 1am (Sunday)
Colorado Springs: 4pm
Hong Kong: 6am (Sunday)
Jo'Burg: Midnight
Las Vegas: 3pm
Los Angeles: 3pm
Moscow: 2am (Sunday)
New Delhi: 4am (Sunday)
New Orleans: 5pm
New York: 6pm
Paris: Midnight
Perth: 7am (Sunday)
Rio De Janeiro: 7pm
Riyadh: 1am (Sunday)
Rome: Midnight
Singapore: 6am (Sunday)
Sydney: 9am (Sunday)
Tel Aviv: 1am (Sunday)
Tokyo: 7am (Sunday)

We look forward to seeing you there.

---

Source: UFO UpDates Mailing List
Date: July 1997
Summary by: Glenn Campbell
campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)

An email interview with former government insider Dan Sherman is now
available at: http://www.ufomind.com/people/s/sherman/interview.shtml

SUMMARY OF INTERVIEW

From 1992 through 1994, Dan ("D.L") Sherman claims to have worked
with a secret military program to communicate with aliens.  He
was a government specialist who received communications from
alien beings and typed them on a computer terminal. His job was
analogous to a communications officer on a ship receiving morse
code but with more depth and greater exchange between the
parties.  He never saw any aliens, only communicated with them
"intuitively".

Sherman says he was prepared for this role by the aliens before
his birth.  Apparently during an abduction of his mother in 1963,
his genetic structure was slightly altered to allow him to
receive alien communications. He was unaware of this ability
until, years later, he was briefed about it while in the Air
Force.  He was assigned to a program called "Project Preserve
Destiny" (PPD).  He was told that the purpose of the program was
to provide a network of communications in the future when
electromagnetic communications would not work.

He calls the ability "intuitive communications" (IC). His
abilities were "activated" during an 8-10 week course at NSA
headquarters at Fort Meade in early 1992.  It was a sort of
"night school" after his daytime training in another secret but
conventional field.

After training, Sherman's PPD duties were veiled by conventional
top secret duties at two Air Force bases. While at work he would
receive notification (apparently psychic), that a communication
was about to begin.  He would then open a special blank window on
the computer terminal where he was working and would type the
communication into it.  He would then close the window, and the
information would be sent to an unknown destination.

The content of the communications ("comms") were numbers mostly.
It was mainly things he did not understand, but some of the
numbers he recognized as the coordinates of locations on earth.
He says he received longer comms right after major space launches
such as Arianne and the Shuttle.

Sherman says: "During my last few months I started to receive
what I thought to be abduction data. This is when I started
having questions and I began to want out of the whole thing. This
led to the sequence of events resulting in my discharge. I think
they were testing my resolve as well because all of a sudden the
comms were not totally in code anymore.  I thought that was quite
odd. I'm not sure what was going on but I didn't like the comms.
I would be told locations, resistance levels, residual pain
levels, potentiality for recall and each case that I reported
would be given a code. I had no idea what the codes were but I
didn't like it... bottom line. I felt like I was reporting the
lab results of a bunch of mice experiments."

Sherman says he left the PPD program in Dec. 1994 and obtained
release from the military in April 1995 because of his discomfort
with what he was learning.

Sherman says he shows no evidence of psychic ability apart from
communication with these aliens. Since leaving the military, he
has received no further comms and has had no further contact with
his previous government contacts in the program.  No government
agents have threatened him to keep quiet, but he fears that any
improper disclosures of his "conventional" top secret work could
get him in trouble.  He has been working on a book, but that
project has been slowed by his own concern about "legal issues."

Sherman says that his communication with the aliens was two-way.
He calls them complex creatures.  He says that although he cannot
describe them visually, "mentally, they are rigid, disciplined
and mostly unemotional."  He did sense compassion from them,
however. "It was almost like this was their nature but they
overrode this characteristic because they perhaps felt it was a
weakness."

An alien told him that they had been visiting earth "since the
beginning."

"They had made there presence known at some time in the past to
our ancestors and that the whole thing went haywire somehow, so
they have chosen to remain selective in their revelations since.
They impacted three historical cultures in the past. Which ones
they didn't say, but I have extrapolated since based on other
information. I also learned that there are other alien 'species'
besides the ones I commed with. The whole reason for PPD is to
train a certain number of humans to be able to communicate with
the aliens so as to provide a network of communications in the
future when electromagnetic communications will not work. I was
never told what 'event' this would be, but I have my own ideas
based on other information I've learned over the years."

For more on Dan Sherman, see www.ufomind.com/people/s/sherman/

Summary by Glenn Campbell (a neutral party)
Reviewed and approved by D.L. Sherman 7/24/97

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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:55:47 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:39:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats
>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:50:22 -1000

<snip>

>You reap what you sow!

>If you spread horse-crap you will gain it in return.

>I had honestly expected more from the people
>on this list.


Larry

It never ceases to amaze me that there are a number
of people in this field who usually never post anything
of interest, but immediately jump on the band wagon
when an attack is launched on someone else.

I tend not to get involved in trashy posts, which more
often than not, turn into flaming threads, and I do not
wish to be a part of that.  People who involve
themselves with this kind of response are not doing a
good service to ufology.  Criticism is always welcome,
but it should not be of an insulting nature IMO, or in the
form of a personal attack on the contributor.

The Buddhist monk story is one I followed up and I will
send attachments to the group, for what it's worth, to back
up that there was a source of information there.  I do not
believe for one minute that Stevens or anyone else
for that matter, ever threatened Coleman, but that
was her story, not mine.  I posted the information
because it's all a part of ufology.

Regarding my posts: I have received numerous kind
responses from people who are interested in what was
written, and they appear to know what they are talking
about.  This proves my point entirely.  That those who
are genuine ufologists - do follow up these tit bits of
information if it's in their area of research, and often
do so privately.

I've been working the Internet for too long now, to
understand that there are people out there who do
more harm than good by taking the stage to demolish
what may possibly be an interesting lead.

Having been a researcher for more than 20 years,
I don't treat this subject lightly.  I admit that some of the
posts I sent may look rather gossipy, that's probably
because they were written for a hard copy UFO magazine
for which I write a monthly UFO gossip column.  However,
I am serious in my research and go to great pains to find
good sources, and like others will confirm, many of these
sources cannot be named for obvious reasons.

I don't usually post openly on the Internet because
by doing so one is always open to attack, and it can be
very time consuming responding to these attacks,
and IMO it's a total waste of energy replying to such.
Having some free time at the moment, I thought I'd add
some contributions.........

Georgina Bruni







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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:57:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:57:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:19:45 +0000
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats


Attached: Letter from Al Gore's office in response to Coleman's
letter. Posted on the public domain and since removed.



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                        Re: Comments on the UPN thing

From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:03:44 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:04:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Comments on the UPN thing


> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:00:41 -0800
> From: Marie Ivey <jmi@aretha.jax.org>
> Organization: The Jackson Laboraotry
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:03:29 -0400
> > From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > > From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:18:06 EST
> > > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Comments on the UPN thing

> > > First let me point out that this program was not disinformation,
> > > it was entertainment (not that Russ or some of the others have
> > > suggested that). It was produced to make money for UPN and Bob
> > > Kiviat. Too often we scream disinformation when we don't like the
> > > tone of the information out there.

> > > Second, I think it is important that we focus on the agenda of
> > > the UFO community. We all have expressed a desire to elevate it
> > > into the scientific arena. We all talk a good game, but too often
> > > it is only talk.

> > > Yes, we should be outraged at the program, but blame for the
> > > damage done to the UFO community is not in the hands of UPN, but
> > > in the hands of the UFO community. Once again, we have shot
> > > ourselves in the foot.

> > > KRandle

> > Kevin:

> > I still
> > haven't a tape of the show so can't check. What is the source of
> > this info?

> > Stan

> Someone out there must have video taped this program.

> Would someone please send Stan a copy.  I fell asleep before the
> credits but it was obvious to me that this was an attempt to make
> fun of those of us that believe something real is going on.
> Please let up on Stan. This is not the first time someone
> credible has been used to add credibility to a hoax or if you
> will, entertainment.

> Best regards,

> Marie

Marie:

I am being sent a copy of the program. What I was asking about
was a reference by Kevin and Russ Estes to Bob Kiviat being
involved with the UPN show.. which I had not heard in California
or elsewhere. It turns out this was false information as
acknolwedged by Kevin. If I had known that Bob Kiviat was
connected with the show, I would never have done it based on my
dealings with him re the "Alien Autopsy". But he was not
involved.

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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:25:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:09:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats


I thought I should add a few more details to my earlier post
about my experiences with Mary Teal Coleman.  After receiving
letters from her and her lawyer which said I had been reported to
the FBI and local law enforcement for harassing her, I placed a
telephone call to the local FBI office in Charlottesville.  If I
had been reported to them I wanted to give them names at FBI
headquarters in Baltimore who would vouch for me, since I had
done consulting work for them on several occasions.

I think it best to characterize the response of the agent I spoke
with as treating the whole thing as a joke.  Apparently MTC was
on their "nuts" list, and they simply ignored her repeated
complaints about people.

I did not contact the Charlottesville police after this, since I
was pretty certain that they would have the same attitude.

I have all the correspondence from MTC in my files, and will be
happy to show them to any serious investigator with an interest
in this case.  I think they clearly demonstrate a paranoid mental
state.

Georgina's post referrs to MTC as an "ordained Buddhist
monastic". The question is ordained by whom???  Just what is this
"Dharma Institute" and how legitimate is it?  My attempts to
learn anything about the organization through a contact address
provided in West Virginia were met with similar paranoia and
threats.

Real Buddhism is not a religion of paranoia.  It is not a
religion of threats.  It is a religion of peace and isolation
from the material world.  Whatever these people may be, I do not
think they have any claim to being real Buddhists.  I would have
to classify them as a paranoid cult. I would be very curious to
know just where their money comes from, since they seem to have
very nice accomodations in their ashrams and apparently have
money galore to throw at expensive lawyers.


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From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:28:02 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:56:03 -0500
Subject: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....URGENT....URGENT

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IF YOU HAVE OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS SUCH A NUMBER(S),
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USE MY PRIVATE E-MAIL.  <<<<<<DO NOT POST TO THE LIST>>>>>>

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                          Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

From: Bryan Butcher <being@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:29:04 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:09:54 -0500
Subject: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?


> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:15:32 -0600
> From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

> Hello!

> I ran across this link:

> http://www.io.com/~stephens/Mars/id4/id4.html

> and am wondering if there is any background to this video clip.
> It shows the Sojourner out and about when a huge shadow passes
> over the entire area, akin to the ID4 movie.

> I have noted that when this 'shadow' covers the area, the
> previous shadows of the rocks etc. are still visible, only
> darker. Not being versed in the photgraphic analysis arena, I was
> curious if this is a clue indicating that the picture was
> altered. I would expect shadows of objects to completely
> disappear when this larger shadow envelopes the area, rather than
> just get darker.  IOW, the previous shadows are still
> distinguishable under the 'larger' shadow.

> Any comments?

> Regards,
> Paul


Paul...

It really doesn't require being a seasoned image analyst to see
this website is a person who enjoys playing with their software
to create things which are not there.  In other words...it is not
real...it is a fake.

If you can answer this question, you will quickly realize the
shadow is not really traveling over the "surface" of Mars.  When
you play the small film, keep your eye on the upper left corner
of the image.  You will notice this "shadow" darkens the far
background landscape, as well as the Martian sky!  How could this
happen?

I think this one is pretty elementary my dear Watson...

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                        Books [was: 'The Threat'...]

From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:59:21 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:19:18 -0500
Subject: Books [was: 'The Threat'...]

All:

Wasn't there a time, not so very long ago, when this particular
thread was about David Jacobs's new book, "The Threat (The Secret
Agenda: What the Aliens Really Want...And How They Plan to Get
It)"?

I've barely begun the above, but based on its declarative
approach, in which nothing is alleged or reported but simply
stated, it is safe to make the following pronouncement:

Either this is one of the most insightful and courageous
arguments in the history of modern man...or a very sad spectacle,
indeed. There's not a whole lot of middle ground here to work
with.

1997 was the Year of the UFO Book for demonstrably obvious
reasons. Not only was 1997 the 50th anniversary of the Arnold
sighting, but also of the alleged Roswell crash. As a result,
more UFO titles were probably published last year than in any
single year in the subject's controversial history.

On the other hand...1998 may be another banner year in UFO books.
Apart from The Threat, there is already "The UFO Book:
Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial" by Jerome Clark (Visible
Ink Press), along with a new book by Paul Devereux and Peter
Brookesmith (names which should be familiar to anyone on this
list), "UFOs and Ufology: The First Fifty Years," from Facts on
File. Haven't finished the latter, either, but I've rummaged
through it and it's one of those big, beautiful, colorfully
illustrated books that UK companies are so adept at turning out,
compared to their American counterparts.

Technically, it appeared late last year, along with the latest
from Whitley (with Anne) Strieber, "The Communion Letters," a
paperback from HarperPrism. There is no attempt at investigation
or corroboration of anything said here -- just a collection of
some of the (we've been been repeatedly told) hundreds of
thousands of letters Strieber has received over the years. In
other words, stories, anecdotes, hearsay, that may or may not
apply to what this list is all about. Who knows? If everything is
applicable to abductions and the so-called visitor experience,
then what kind of relevant *meaning* do either of those terms
actually connote?

Certainly we can say at this time that both Jacobs and Strieber
can't both be right. They do point out, though, the extremes to
which immersion in this subject tempts one -- toward impending
paranoid apocalypse on one hand, and vague, feel-good New Age
euphoria on the other. I find it amazing that such extremes can
be concluded from what is supposed to be the same "body" of
available "evidence."

But I wander...what I really had in mind was whether there was
any interest out there in possibly starting a thread on one (or
more) of the above books, comments to be confined largely to
same, without too much wandering off into the ether...

Maybe we could start a new thread and simply call it Books.
Comments about ufo theory, speculation etc would be verboten. The
issue would be the book itself and the evidence presented -- if
any -- for the statements or conclusions therein.

Just a thought...

Dennis








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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: "Tom Burnett" <burnettc@gte.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:02:28 -1000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:33:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

> From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:55:47 +0000
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

> >From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
> >To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Buddist Monk Claims death threats
> >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:50:22 -1000

> <snip>

> It never ceases to amaze me that there are a number
> of people in this field who usually never post anything
> of interest, but immediately jump on the band wagon
> when an attack is launched on someone else.

Most people on this List, whatever their beliefs, are not idiots
and do not want to be treated like idiots. When they do have
something to say they usually make a valid point as in this case.

> I tend not to get involved in trashy posts, which more
> often than not, turn into flaming threads, and I do not
> wish to be a part of that.  People who involve
> themselves with this kind of response are not doing a
> good service to ufology.  Criticism is always welcome,
> but it should not be of an insulting nature IMO, or in the
> form of a personal attack on the contributor.

Pointing out that your posts make no sense and, are disproven by
the very information they contain, is not necessarily an attack
on the contributor, but it is a clear indication that the content
of the posts is not being well received.  Doesn't it occur to you
that someone serving as a government scientist in 1943 will be
too old to join the military in 1971 and serve for 22 years?
Magnetically scrambled memory?!?!?!  DNA memory?!?!?!  Do you not
realize that 'stalking' is a crime, not a civil matter, and you
would no more sue someone for stalking than you would sue someone
for bank robbery?  What are you thinking about when you present
material like this?

> The Buddhist monk story is one I followed up and I will
> send attachments to the group, for what it's worth, to back
> up that there was a source of information there.  I do not
> believe for one minute that Stevens or anyone else
> for that matter, ever threatened Coleman, but that
> was her story, not mine.  I posted the information
> because it's all a part of ufology.

The purpose of most UFOlogists is to discern whatever truth may
exist. Posting irrational stories merely muddies the water.

> Regarding my posts: I have received numerous kind
> responses from people who are interested in what was
> written, and they appear to know what they are talking
> about.  This proves my point entirely.  That those who
> are genuine ufologists - do follow up these tit bits of
> information if it's in their area of research, and often
> do so privately.

No, it merely proves that those people are not rational enough to
discern truth from gossip and bad fiction. Nothing in your post
proves your point. You do not make a point.

> I've been working the Internet for too long now, to
> understand that there are people out there who do
> more harm than good by taking the stage to demolish
> what may possibly be an interesting lead.

An 'interesting' lead is something that might contain a grain of
truth. If you think that the nutloafs you refer to are 'good
sources', you are only fooling yourself.

> Having been a researcher for more than 20 years,
> I don't treat this subject lightly.  I admit that some of the
> posts I sent may look rather gossipy, that's probably
> because they were written for a hard copy UFO magazine
> for which I write a monthly UFO gossip column.  However,
> I am serious in my research and go to great pains to find
> good sources, and like others will confirm, many of these
> sources cannot be named for obvious reasons.

You are not serious in your research.  You are completely
irresponsible and make no effort to winnow any facts at all from
the gossip you publish. The ability to construct sentences does
not make you a researcher. It makes you exactly what you claim to
be....a gossip columnist.  I can speculate that your sources
cannot be named for the obvious reasons that they (1) do not
exist or, (2) have no idea what they are talking about.  In no
case are they good sources for anything except fantasy.

> I don't usually post openly on the Internet because
> by doing so one is always open to attack, and it can be
> very time consuming responding to these attacks,
> and IMO it's a total waste of energy replying to such.
> Having some free time at the moment, I thought I'd add
> some contributions.........

I see by that comment, you have been told all of this before. If
everything you post is attacked, it might be because of the
nature and content of your posts.

>Alleged letter from W. Stevens to Rev Mary Teal Coleman.  Placed
>on the public domain and since removed.

>Attached: Letter from Al Gore's office in response to Coleman's
>letter. Posted on the public domain and since removed.

If these are the basis for your conclusions, you apparently did
not read them, or possibly do not grasp the implications.
Stevens' letter mentions that he had not seen the movie that
Coleman was trying to peddle. So what?  What is the point?  Al
Gore's letter is nothing more than a polite kiss-off.  At what
point must you realize that Coleman is psychotic?

Aloha
Tom Burnett









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                  Re: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax

From: RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:45:12 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:41:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Friedman & Simms Reply to UPN's Hoax

In a message dated 98-01-24 21:00:04 EST, you write:

>  From: IUFO Mailing List

>  http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/msg04516.shtml

>  Stanton and Derrel Reply to UPN's Hoax

>  Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:52:05 -0600 (CST)
>  From: *Vanguard*  [Amy Hebert]
>  Subject: IUFO: Stanton and Derrel Reply to UPN's Hoax

>  ->  SearchNet's   IUFO   Mailing List

>  Dear Friends:

>  As mentioned previously, I wrote to Derrel Sims and Stanton Friedman and
>  asked them about their role in UPN's production "Alien Abduction Incident
>  At Lake County".  Below is a copy of my letter and their responses to my
>  questions...

The bottom line *almost* seems to be Clintonistic.  Along this
line:  Shazam, I ah haven't seen it yet, so I don't know very
much or anything about the fraud allegations......." The next
question may/should be "Do you plan on seeing it?"  :)

Cheers,
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                       UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4

From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:23:18 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:11:27 -0500
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4


   UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 4
January 25, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

TEN LUMINOUS UFOs HOVER
OVER GLASGOW

     On Friday, January 16, 1998, at 7:45 a.m., Gordon
MacAndrews and his wife Fiona were waiting for sunrise
in Glasgow, Scotland when they spotted mysterious
lights in the southern sky.
     "I viewed the lights from the top of a hill in the north
of Glasgow," MacAndrews reported, "which overlooks the
city, as the lights were some way off.  As I mentioned in
my post, my wife also saw the lights and was as
mystified as I am."
     He described the UFOs as "whitish-yellow" and
"smaller than a small coin" held at arm's length.  "They
did not approach; they stayed in the same area," over
the southern suburb of Busby.
     From their observation point near Springburn Road,
the couple "watched the lights for 20 minutes...As the
sun rose, we were unable to see them any longer."
     "As I saw them from the other side of the city, I
was sure someone else would have seen the display
but apparently not," he added.
     Glasgow, Scotland's largest city, is about 55 miles
(88 kilometers) west of the capital, Edinburgh.
(Email Interview)

FAST FLYBY IN QUEENSLAND

     On Wednesday, January 21, 1998, Steve Burrows
and his two children were outdoors at their home in
Brisbane, in Australia's Queensland state when they
spied a fast-moving UFO crossing the sky.
     The trio "watched a fast-moving single white light
travel from directly overhead to 45 degrees (above the
horizon) in the east and was then covered by low
cloud."
     Burrows described the condition of the sky as
clear, adding "stars were clearly visible before the
low cloud cover swept in from the south."  They had the
object in view for "no more than 30 seconds."  (Many
thanks to Steve Burrows and Errol Bruce-Knapp for
this report.)

UFOs LINKED TO MUTILATED
SWINE IN COLORADO

     Three large pigs were found dead and mutilated
Monday, January 5, on a ranch near Highway 159
in Costilla County, Colorado.  The area is located
just west of the Sangre de Cristo mountain range,
about 230 miles (418 kilometers) south of Denver.
     Two ranchers found two of the swine that
morning, then located the third a little later.
According to Christopher O'Brien, investigator and
author of THE MYSTERIOUS VALLEY (St. Martin's
Press, 1996), the dead swine weighed "about 100 to
150 pounds, white in color and each with a cored-out
rectum and other round holes in the abdomen."
     Photographs of the crime scene were taken by
Bob Green of the La Sierra News.
     On January 8, O'Brien learned that a local
teenage girl had told her mother that she and a friend
"while coming home from basketball practice" had
seen "two lights emanating from the sky in the
approximate location where the carcasses of the
three pigs were discovered."
     The girl reportedly told this story before news
of the mutilation made the rounds in Costilla County.
     UFOs were also seen in neighboring Huerfano
County, as well.
     On Wednesday, January 7, 1998, UFOs were
sighted over the La Veta Military Operations Area
(MOA) in the large San Luis Valley.  Witnesses
in Farisita and Gardner, two small towns on
Colorado Highway 169 approximately 155 miles
(248 kilometers) south of Denver, spotted
"extensive aerial activity by dozens of unknown
objects, for hours, that did not appear to be
conventional aircraft."
     According to local investigator David Perkins,
the UFOs were described by the witnesses as
"large 'disco-balls' " and "small red lights/crafts
which appeared to crisscross the Huerfano."
     On Thursday, January 8, 1998, two witnesses
driving north on Colorado Highway 17 about 25
miles (40 kilometers) west of Farisita and Gardner
saw "a 150-foot (45-meter) diameter disk (flying) at
between 1,500 to 2,000 feet in altitude" traveling
"down the center of the San Luis Valley over the
Baca Ranch two miles east of Highway 17 at
Mile Marker 93.  One of the witnesses, ex-military,
estimated the disk's speed at between 500 and
500 miles per hour."
     On Tuesday, January 20, 1998, a witness in
Hooper, Colorado reported "seeing a 'big star doing
big twists'" south of the Great Sand Dunes National
Monument at about 6 p.m.  He described the UFO
as "flashing red-green and blue lights" and estimated
its position at "five or so miles just south of Sand
Dunes Oasis."
     "At around 6:15 p.m., I witnessed low-flying jets
headed from the east, over the Sangre de Cristos,"
the witness told O'Brien.  The jets "were flying 3,000
feet from the Valley floor."  He added that the UFO
was not the star Sirius rising in the east but was
"two times brighter than the brightest planet" and
located "some 5 degrees south of Sirius."  (Many
thanks to Chris O'Brien for letting UFO ROUNDUP
quote from his Winter SLV Update.  Don't miss
Chris's new book, INSIDE THE MYSTERIOUS
VALLEY, on sale in May 1998.)

MORE UFOs SIGHTED IN
CASA GRANDE, ARIZONA

     Arizona's new UFO flap swept into its second
week with hundreds of sightings reported in and
around Phoenix and the city of Casa Grande
(population 19,082), located on Highway 387
51 miles (82 kilometers) to the southeast.
     On Wednesday, January 14, 1998, Village Labs
in Phoenix received "hundreds of calls" from local
residents who sighted "orange lights" and "spherical
red-orange UFOs" over the Estrella Mountains.
     The laboratory received seven amateur videotapes
of the UFOs for analysis.
     At 7 p.m., "two large orange lights" were viewed
for 11 minutes over the mountain range.
     Other witnesses described "a formation of orange
lights" and a "giant triangle" of lights.
     The Michigan Air National Guard issued a
statement that their planes had dropped "military
flares" over the area.
      On Thursday night, January 15, 1998, Tom King,
director of Arizona Skywatch, staked out the area.
He reported, "I took a position halfway between
Phoenix and Casa Grande.  We sighted some of the
orange lights fifteen to twenty miles west of our
position (i.e. near the western border of the Gila
River Indian Reservation--J.T.)  We took photographs
and two separate videotapes, including the ultra-high-
speed Super camera.  These objects appeared under
1,000 feet and did not have any sign of smoke," as
flares normally do.
     On Sunday, January 18, 1998, investigator
Robert M. Collins "first observed" a UFO "while I was
driving up past Casa Grande.  I pulled off (Interstate
Highway I-10) onto Route 387 north of Casa Grande.
At that time I counted 9 to 11 orange globes all the
way from west to east north of my position, over
Phoenix."
     "I had Bushnell binoculars and thought I could
make out some sort of 'disc' structure on one or two
of them.  But because the light appeared to be so
cohesive and (due to Phoenix's air) pollution, I was
getting a lot of atmospheric diffraction effects from
the lights."
     Collins observed the UFOs from 7:25 to 7:55 p.m.
"Two orbs were still visible" when he left the area.
(Many thanks to Tom King and Robert M. Collins
for these reports.)

UFO FLAP ERUPTS NEAR
ATLANTA, GEORGIA

     MUFON Georgia is investigating a number of
UFO sightings around Atlanta during the past
two weeks.
     On Thursday, January 8, 1998, around 7:30 p.m.,
a couple driving down North Greenwood Street in
LaGrange, Georgia (population 25,597), a city
near the Alabama state line approximately
64 miles (102 kilometers) southwest of Atlanta,
when they suddenly saw "a strange intense beam
of light" coming from the clouds "down to the
ground."
     LaGrange was the site of intermittent UFO
sightings throughout 1997.
     On Saturday, January 17, 1998, at 7:30 p.m.,
a 38-year-old women and her parents "were driving
south on (Interstate Highway) I-75.  About 50 miles
(80 kilometers) north of Macon (population 106,612),
they saw a circle of blue-white lights hovering just
off the interstate.  The lights formed a continuous
circle and one solid (mass), like a piece of 'Swiss
cheese.'  The craft was the size of a small jet
airliner.  The lights were hovering over some nearby
trees."  Other motorists also saw the lights "and
slowed down" for a better look.
     At 8:45 p.m., as the family "was driving on
(Interstate) I-16, twenty miles (32 kilometers) southeast
of Macon, she saw a strange beam of light go to the
ground.  Then they saw a very bright light shooting
across the sky in a 'strand' of flashes.  Only one light
was involved, but it darted across the sky going from
north to south."
     On Sunday, January 18, 1998, an elderly lady of
LaGrange, Georgia phoned John C. Thompson, state
director of Georgia MUFON, and reported seeing "a
real shiny dot moving extremely fast" and zipping
across the sky about a half-mile north of North
Greenwood Street, site of the January 8 incident.
    "The perfectly round ball had sunlight reflecting
off it and was moving from north to south," she reported.
"But at a high rate of speed at least twice the speed
of a commercial airliner (meaning the UFO's airspeed
was between 900 and 1,000 miles per hour--J.T.)  It
made no noise and disappeared in clear open air as
I watched."
     At 6:06 p.m. on January 18, about three hours
afterward, a man reported seeing two UFOs over
Conyers, Georgia (population 7,380), approximately
27 miles (43 kilometers) southeast of Atlanta.  He
described the UFOs as "two black circular objects
flying west to east with no lights.  The second pulled
up and slowly disappeared.  The first UFO kept going
straight and disappeared."  (See Filer's Files #3 for
1998.  Many thanks to George A. Filer, John C.
Thompson and Todd Ganas for these reports.)

MYSTERIOUS LIGHT FLASHES
SEEN BY MOTORIST NEAR
CHESHIRE, CONNECTICUT

     On Friday, January 16, 1998, at around 6 p.m.,
Robert D. was driving home from work on Interstate
Highway I-691 west of Meriden, Connecticut
(population 59,479), about 25 miles (40 kilometers)
southwest of Hartford, the state capital.
     "I saw a very strange, very bright blue light off
to the southern horizon," Bob reported.  "It was
after an ice storm" and the area "was without
power."
     He estimated that the light was 11 miles to
his south, in a wooded area just beyond the town
of Cheshire (population 5,759), near Sleeping Giant
State Park and the Broad Brook reservoir.
     "It was an unbelievably bright blue light.
Hundreds of times more bright than lightning.  It
was so bright it left shadows of the trees to my
right.  It lasted for two seconds, then a 15-second
pause, then another two second flash," he said.
     "I'm an electrical engineer with a fascination
for lightning, and this was definitely not lightning,"
he added.  "Nor was it a transformer exploding,
etc. High voltage lines would not show this
intensity.  What's strange is that where they were
located there are no towns or people, just woods."
(Email Interview)
(Editor's Note: Similar mysterious blue flashes
were seen in Los Alamos, New Mexico last
October.)

from the UFO Files...

1988: ATTEMPTED ABDUCTION
          IN WESTERN AUSTRALIA

     Ten years ago, on January 21, 1988, the Knowles
family had a very harrowing experience while driving
on the Eyre Highway across the desolate Nullarbor
Plain in southern Australia.
     The Nullarbor Plain is an arid, flat desert 330
miles wide overlapping the states of South
Australia (S.A.) and Western Australia (W.A.)
The rainfall is so sparse that no trees can grow
there, only saltbush and bluebush.
     On January 21, 1988, Faye Knowles and her
three sons, Sean, Wayne and Patrick were driving
home to Perth, W.A. following a visit with relatives
in Melbourne.  Their car was a light blue four-door
1984 Ford Telstar.
     "Before daylight, after the family had left the
Madura roadhouse (near Mundrabilla--J.T.), as they
were driving on the Eyre Highway, they noticed a
bright white light ahead of them on their side of the
highway.  As they got nearer, they could see it
was a large glowing object hovering just above
the road.  Sean, who was driving, had to swerve
into the other lane to avoid colliding with the
unknown object."
     "Soon after the near collision, they passed
another car that had a bright object following
overhead.  This time Sean's curiosity got the
best of him and he made a U-turn and sped
back toward the west to see what the light was."
     "After following for a few minutes, the light
changed course and started back toward the
Knowles car.  Sean again turned around and
drove east."
     "The object quickly overtook the car,
which at this point was doing over 100 miles
per hour in an attempt to elude the strange
light.  Suddenly, the object landed on top"
of the car's roof "with a loud thud."
     "'We were going silly, something was
going into our heads,' explained Faye Knowles.
'It felt like we were dying, and our voices were
distorted, as if we were talking in slow motion.'"
     "Two dogs in the car became very agitated,
and one of the sons, Patrick, said he felt as
though his brains were pulled from his head."
     Wayne yelled, "Get off the road!"
     "I can't!" Sean replied, realizing to his horror
that the Ford's steering wheel was locked or
frozen by some irresistible force.
     Just then, they saw the highway's centerline
falling away from the Ford's headlight glow.
     "Faye rolled down her window and looked
out at the object, which she described as a
bright white light with a yellow center 'like an egg
in a cup.'  Faye then reached overhead and
touched the bottom of the object.  'It felt like a
warm sponge.'"
     Suddenly, the UFO released the Knowles'
car.  The Ford plummeted ten feet and hit the
asphalt on its right rear quarter.  The tire
exploded on impact.
     Instantly the car went into a shrieking skid.
The steering wheel loosened in Sean's hands,
and he turned in the direction of the skid.
The Ford fishtailed all over the road, with Sean
applying the brakes, and then screeched to
a halt.
     "The family jumped out and hid in the
bushes along the side of the highway until
the UFO was gone...The family changed the
tyre and drove on to Mundrabilla where they
discussed the experience with truck drivers."
     The case was investigated by Paul Norman
of the Victoria UFO Research Society.  He
found that the Ford's radio "was now operating
perfectly even though it had been malfunctioning
during the encounter.  On the roof of the car
they found an indentation matching the description
given by the family.  Of the tyre, it was in good
condition and should not have blown but in fact
was ripped all the way around its edge."
     Laboratory analysis of the dust found on the
car "revealed oxygen, carbon, calcium, silicon,
potassium and a possible trace of astatine, which
is a radioactive chemical that can only be
produced synthetically."  (See UFO Universe,
Winter 1998 issue, "In Australia, Strange Things
Are Happening" by Tim Swartz, page 33.  Also,
WORLD ATLAS OF UFOs by John Spencer,
Smithmark Publishers Inc., New York, NY 1992,
page 174.)

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     Talk about coincidence.  Our lead story involves
the biggest city in Scotland, and today, January 25,
is the anniversary of the birth of poet Robert Burns
in 1759.
     Not only that, but there were two sightings in
LaGrange, Georgia recently.  Guess what?  On
January 25, 1736, mathemetician/astronomer
Joseph-Louis LaGrange was born in France.
LaGrange is the man who discovered the existence
of points in outer space where the gravitational fields
of the planets cancel each other out.  Objects in
these "Lagrangian" or "L-points" tend to float round
out there, free of the Earth's gravity.  Amazingly,
LaGrange figured this all out mathematically, using
a blackboard and a piece of chalk instead of a
computer.  Pretty impressive, huh?
     Less impressive, of course, is our UFO ROUNDUP
which will be back next weekend with the latest,
up-to-date saucer reports.  Here's wishing all our
readers an enjoyable week from "the paper that
goes home--UFO ROUNDUP."

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                     Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:26:05 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:05:04 -0500
Subject: Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....


> From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:28:02 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....URGENT....URGENT

> ************************ EXTREMELY URGENT ******************************
> I AM IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF INSIDE CONTACT PHONE NUMBERS FOR ANY OF THE CHIEF
> AIDES TO PRESIDENT OR MRS. CLINTON.
> EXAMPLES:  BRUCE LINDSAY, ANTHONY LAKE, ERSKINE BOWLES, ETC

I don't even want to *imagine* why he'd want this .....

Besides, I'm sure President Al Gore will be fully briefed on the
UFO cover-up after he's sworn in next week.


--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada








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                        Re: William Birnes Interview

From: RGates8254@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:32:30 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: William Birnes Interview


>From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:40 +0000
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: William Birnes Interview

>William Birnes Interview - August 1997 - Georgina Bruni

>The William J Birnes Interview

<snip>

>Roswell crash site) to American industries in a reverse engineering project
>which led to today's technology. I managed an interview with William who is
>currently writing another book with Philip Corso, THE DAY AFTER DALLAS:
>INSIDE THE WARREN COMMISSION.

>Georgina Bruni: William, you have stated that Corso believes he's part of
>the "Disclosure".  Can you elaborate on this?  I'm confused, if he believes
>he's part of the "Disclosure" how did he come to that conclusion?

>William J. Birnes: First, since the publication of THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL,
>there has been only silence from the US Government - no official denials,
>no statements to the effect that Corso has misspoken or is wrong, or is out of
>line. In fact, the Pentagon has ordered the book for its bookstore as well
>as bookstores at military bases around the US. Also the Navy has ordered
>the book for some of its stores.  I take this to be a tacit Government
>endorsement of Corso's book and what he says. Therefore, the Gov't seems to
>be using him as part of a disclosure by default, a disclosure that doesn't
>damage anyone's reputation. Phil himself believes that because of his
>relationship with the late Arthur Trudeau, he had the ability and probably
>an indirect green light from the powers that be inside the US military, to
>tell the story of what the army did with the Roswell material.

Birnes "interpretation" of why the government ordered copies
Corso's book is off.

When Testors released its version of the Stealth fighter (a
version that was not correct because photos of the then
classified plane were unavailable) the Lockheed employee store
ordered in the kits and employees allegedly bought it.  Many
people saw that as "tacit admission" of what the plane looked
like.  It wasn't. So if that is the only thing Birnes is using to
hang his hat on the "govt using Corso as part of tacit
disclosure" he is in lala land.

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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:55:29 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:55:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Gerogina Bruni]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:56:07 +0000
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

Alleged letter from W. Stevens to Rev Mary Teal Coleman.  Placed
on the public domain and since removed.



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                          Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:20:52 -0800 (PST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:13:12 -0500
Subject: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?


> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:15:32 -0600
> From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

> Hello!

> I ran across this link:

> http://www.io.com/~stephens/Mars/id4/id4.html

> and am wondering if there is any background to this video clip.
> It shows the Sojourner out and about when a huge shadow passes
> over the entire area, akin to the ID4 movie.

> I have noted that when this 'shadow' covers the area, the
> previous shadows of the rocks etc. are still visible, only
> darker. Not being versed in the photgraphic analysis arena, I was
> curious if this is a clue indicating that the picture was
> altered. I would expect shadows of objects to completely
> disappear when this larger shadow envelopes the area, rather than
> just get darker.  IOW, the previous shadows are still
> distinguishable under the 'larger' shadow.

> Any comments?

Some idiot has just faked the entire thing using photoshop or
suchlike... and done a really bad job. I have copies of the exact
same shots without the big bad shadow effect. Everything on the
website is pretty damn laughable..I hope there arnt really people
out there who would buy it..although that UPN survey mentioned on
this list is a worry...

K







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                         Re: Regarding books to read

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:44:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:01:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Regarding books to read

This is was a private email that I had sent to Ted Viens,
in his response to me he suggested that I share my thoughts
with the List.  Below is the text:

I noticed your post on UFO Update about the Keyhoe book.

I concur.

If you haven't already read Captain Edward J. Ruppelt's (head of
USAF Project Blue Book) "The Report on Unidentified Flying
Objects" you owe it to yourself to do so.  His viewpoint as an
insider and the revelations he made have never been equalled in
the UFO literature.  Its a seminal book in the field.

Then I would finish reading all of the Keyhoe books because his
other books do not recount prior material.

Then the Lorenzen books.

After finishing these you will have a better understanding of the
situation far better than most readers of the list who are
unaware of what has transpired in the history of this field.

I don't mean to be insulting with these suggestions, you may have
already read many of them.  However if you haven't I can assure
you that they will probably have a far greater impact than just
one of the Keyhoe books alone and provide a much broader
perspective.

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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:56:56 -0800
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:21:46 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


> From: KRandle993@aol.com [Kevin Randle]
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:19:21 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video


> >Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:42 -0400
> >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video


<snippety dippety>

> >What stock video? I gather it was skillful editing not having seen
> >the show. I am not psychic. If this was a terrible show, as I
> >gather most people thought, it was certainly not the first and
> >won't be the last ?>  Does it do more damage than the many phony
> >claims that have been made by the likes of Bob Lazar, Frank
> >Stranges, Guy Kirkwood, Frank Kaufmann etc..

> >STFriedman

> Stan -

> You forgot to mention Gerald Anderson and MJ-12 in your list of
> phony claims.

<snippety doo>

> Responsibility for that program lies at the feet of the producers
> who decided to exploit the UFO field. But, we, in the UFO
> community have to take the responsibility for our actions.

> Finally, you might not like what Frank Kaufmann says, but he is
> much more reliable than Gerald Anderson.

> KRandle

Oooohhh Goh-holly Geee...  I just love a good tiff among the
bigger players here.  Say, since we have you both here, I just
finished reading "The Roswell UFO Crash, What They Don't Want You
To Know" by Kal [I am NOT a DEBUNKER] K.  Korff.  Now, he claims,
in his gentle and cordial style, that both of you and all of your
witnesses are just all but flushed with male bovine alimentary
waste products.  I am sure that you were both humbled by the
generous contribution of his more intense and perceptive
investigations.  What are your thoughts about the methods and
conclusions of his research?  At least one of you must have some
gratitude for him clearing up some of your misunderstandings.

Now, Kal has been investigating UFOs since high school, some twenty five or so y
ears.  He has furthered computer technology in the very nerve centers of some of
 our most esteemed and esoteric national laboratories.  He has written a couple
of books apparently striving to correct and clarify errors in a couple of pivota
l episodes in modern ufology.  Still, I am ignorant of any original work of Korf
f's.

What I am looking for is anything Kal Korff has done that
reflects original investigation of obscure or unknown events that
have furthered our knowledge or awareness of mysterious objects
that cannot be explained by current technology.  I am sure that
in twenty five or so years of research, Kal has discovered and
reported something original that taught us more about things
beyond our terrestrial capabilities.  It would be unfair of me to
draw any conclusions about Kal Korff based only on reading "The
Roswell UFO Crash" and hearing about his other book.  It would be
better for me to also know about his contributions in furthering
our knowledge of these mysteries.  If anyone could help me with
this, I would really appreciate it.  Thanks...

Bye...  Ted..









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                            UFO files available?

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:27:07 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:38:11 -0500
Subject: UFO files available?


Michael Ravnitzky, author of The Putnam Pit, is a law student and
investigative reporter who recently posted an Internet message to
ufologists, with instructions of where to find UFO government
files.

Writes Michael.  'I hope that some news organization or
researcher can use these records to finally tell the real story
of what happened when the military ran into the unexplainable.'

For the past ten years, Michael has been interested in the
technological history of UFOs, and the sociological structure of
the military-civilian relationship surrounding them.  He tempts
us with the knowledge that in 1996 he discovered the location of
a huge cache of secret documents on UFOs and related subjects,
and that 'most of them haven't seen the light of day in 30 or 40
years.' He guides us to the military archives at St. Louis and
Suitland, Maryland.  He claims that, there, buried in the
archives, we will find boxes of records, each with an associated
SF-135 form (Standard Form 135), which describes and inventories
the contents of that particular box.

Michael points out that anyone can claim access to these files by
writing a letter to the Freedom of Information Act, quoting their
rights and agreeing to pay reasonable fees for the request.
According to his research, the UFO over-up was at one time in the
hands of an Air Force Intelligence Component located at Wright
Patterson Air Force Base. The name given to the department was
the 'Foreign Technology Division-FTD', later it became the
'FASTC-Foreign Aerospace Technology Center', and finally it is
now called  the 'National Air Intelligence Center' or NAIC. The
NAIC is responsible for acquiring and analyzing foreign aerospace
technology.

He informs us that over the years this Air Force office have sent
approximately 3,000 boxes of records to military storage
archives. Michael also quotes Gery D. Heulseman, TSgt, USAF, who
runs the FOIA program at NAIC. His office has recently obtained
2,959 pages of SF-135 forms that describe in detail the contents
of the boxes, many still classified. The SF-135s cover the period
from about 1953 -1982.  States Michael.  According to Heulseman,
no one has ever requested these forms, nor have they been added
to any electronic database.

Michael suggests that by obtaining these documents, investigative
reporters and others, could very well discover the real story
behind some of the strange phenomena known as UFOs. Each page
costs 15 cents, and there are a total of 2,959 pages.  With the
first 100 pages free, it would cost $428.85.

Anyone interested in these documents, should contact the National
Air Intelligence Center [NAIC/SCVMS/FOIA] Attn Gery D. Huelseman,
TSgt, USAF Chief, Freedom of Information Act Office Information
Management Operations, 4180 Watson Way, Wright Patterson Air
Force Base, Ohio  45433-5648.

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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:31:35 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:24:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:25:45 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

Hi Bob

>I think it best to characterize the response of the agent I spoke
>with as treating the whole thing as a joke.  Apparently MTC was
>on their "nuts" list, and they simply ignored her repeated
>complaints about people.

Well that says it all in a "nutshell"

>I have all the correspondence from MTC in my files, and will be
>happy to show them to any serious investigator with an interest
>in this case.  I think they clearly demonstrate a paranoid mental
>state.

Would you like some more ?

>Georgina's post referrs to MTC as an "ordained Buddhist
>monastic". The question is ordained by whom???

According to her, she was ordained by the Dali Lama (I expect I
have spelt that wrong)

>Just what is this "Dharma Institute" and how legitimate is it?

They have a site on the Net if you want to check it out Bob,
sorry I can't remember the URL. I tried to find out more about
them but no one I spoke to in the UK has heard of them.

> My attempts to learn anything about the organization
> through a contact address provided in West Virginia
>were met with similar paranoia and threats.

Every question appears to be met by threats. You may be
interested to know that immediately after the "Heavens Gate"
drama she removed a quantity of (what one might say) cultist
information from her personal site.  I didn't see this on the
institute's site.

>Real Buddhism is not a religion of paranoia.  It is not a
>religion of threats.  It is a religion of peace and isolation
>from the material world.

That's exactly what I told her. I was amazed that someone
claiming to be an "ordained" and allegedly representing Buddhism,
would act in this manner. Needless to say, I was again threatened
<s>

>Whatever these people may be, I do not think they have
>any claim to being real Buddhists.  I would have
>to classify them as a paranoid cult.

I agree

>I would be very curious to know just where their money
>comes from, since they seem to have very nice accomodations
>in their ashrams and apparently have money galore
>to throw at expensive lawyers.

That's a very interesting thought. Worth checking out that site
If it's still up there!

Georgina








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                 Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:40:37 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:18:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/24/98 6:17 PM:
>  From: "Keith Woodard" <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Art Bell's Update On Phoenix Sightings
>  Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:33:27 -0800

>  Give me a break, Mark!  Don't you know this is the Internet?
>  Where do you get off arguing on the merits!  We're supposed to be
>  confining ourselves to ad hominem attacks:-)

Darn... I knew I'd slip up sooner or later.

>  I'm not completely convinced, but your arguments are excellent.
>  I may wind up emialing FAS, and maybe some skeptics, to see if
>  they can counter any of your points.  I'll keep you and Updates
>  posted if I make any headway one way or the other.

Thanks, Keith.

I've been through some arguments with skeptics on this, and I
ended up thoroughly disgusted. I hope you fare better. But be
prepared for the ad hominem attacks on the witnesses, the
investigators, and anything else they can think of, rather than a
debate on the evidence.

You may want to prepare yourself with a quick read on my paper of
answers to common skeptical objections to the possibility of
scientifically researching UFOs at

        http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/ufostphi.htm

("What Kind of Science Is The Study Of Unidentified
Flying Objects?")


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                    Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:31:18 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:22:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:35:15 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Buddist Monk Claims death threats

>I missed this when it was first posted and have to thank a list
>member for calling my attention to it.I tracked down Mary
>Teal Coleman a couple of years ago after Wendelle told
>me about her trying to peddle a film of an alien
>autopsy and UFO crash some years ago.
>I tracked her down at the Dharma Institute in Charlottesville,
>Virginia.  I wrote her a very polite letter telling her what I
>had been told and asking for more information.
>In return I was reported to the FBI and local law enforcement
> as harassing her!

Thanks for posting that Bob. I received pretty much the same
treatment from her.  I too wrote a very polite e-mail about a,
year ago, and she threatened to report me to the FBI. I then told
her that there wasn't much point in doing that as I am British
and live in the UK.

 I think she does it with everyone who contacts her.

>I got a couple of threatening letters from her, and then started
>getting letters from some lawyer, equally threatening.
>I turned this over to my lawyer who sent a note to her lawyer
>basically saying he was WAY out of line and would find himself
>the target of legal action if he persisted.

>The lawyer also threatened me with legal action for copyright
>infringement if I wrote about Mary Teal Coleman and her
>"research", which showed me that the man had not even the vaguest
>notion of how copyright works.  Since she has published nothing,
>there is no way I could violate her copyright by talking about
>her. I never heard anything more from her or her lawyer.

Well, she actually posted everything on her web site as a press
release. I still have the hard copy somewhere if you ever need
it. This is what I found amusing when she started threatening me
because she'd put it up there in the form of a press release on
the Internet with all the letters and it was up there for almost
a year)  When I later pointed out to her that it was already in
the public domain, she took down the site.

>BTW, in her initial letter to me she accused me of being a CIA
>operative and denied any knowledge of any such film.  Now it
>appears that she is talking about it.

That makes a change, it's usually the FBI that the accused are a
part of <G>.  I think she's gone quiet now, and I don't think she
ever wrote that book she was plugging.

>According to Wendelle's original story to me, she was claiming
>back in the 60s to have physical possession of the film and was
>trying to sell it.  Wendelle set up a meeting with her with
>someone who wanted to buy the film, but she never showed up at
>the meeting.  Wendelle says he never saw the film.  At one time I
>thought this might tie in to substantiating the Santilli AA
>film, but after my experience with MTC I think it was all a bunch
>of BS.

I think Wendelle was better not dealing with her, and not in a
million years could I ever imagine him threatening anyone. Did
you know that she was promising to go public with a list of
ufologists who were all working for government agencies. Probably
everyone who ever contacted her, you and I included.

>I think the woman is seriously mentally disturbed.

I have to agree.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:35:16 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:44:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/24/98 6:35 PM:
>  Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
>  From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>  This video has been out AND debunked for quite a while.
>  Sightings or some other paranormal program debunked this video
>  ages ago.  I even have that episode on tape, and when I get my
>  VCR working again, I'll give you the copyright date.  Sightings,
>  or whoever, even interviewed the director/story writer and he
>  said he was honored that anyone thought this film was real, but
>  that it was just a student film project.  Shown where production
>  stills of the little girls getting into alien costums and such.

That's a different video, I think, Mike. I've seen it, too. No
well known actors. But this one had at least one or two.

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                                  Re: Books

From: natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:08:05 -0600
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:33:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Books


> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:59:21 -0600 (CST)
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net> [Dennis Stacy]
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...

> <mighty snip>

>Certainly we can say at this time that both Jacobs and Strieber
>can't both be right. They do point out, though, the extremes to
>which immersion in this subject tempts one -- toward impending
>paranoid apocalypse on one hand, and vague, feel-good New Age
>euphoria on the other.

Superb last sentence, let's all stand back and admire that
one............

>I find it amazing that such extremes can
>be concluded from what is supposed to be the same "body" of
>available "evidence."

But that's what many of us pendulate through every day, ain't it?
 Or at least by way of the detached contemplation of these
possible extremes that, if uncontrolled, would mushroom into
full-blown zero-to-180 gut-wrenching vacillation. Supreme
excitement at the thought of the "Galactic Other" showing up in
the skies of this little ball of rock and water on the one hand,
and fear of extinction, loss of control, and shame (about the
level of out intelligence, and technological advancement relative
to theirs) on the other hand.  The Crown of Creation posture
suffers severe body blows when the ETs blithely zip around as
they please through our skies.

> Maybe we could start a new thread and simply call it Books.
> Comments about ufo theory, speculation etc would be verboten. The
> issue would be the book itself and the evidence presented -- if
> any -- for the statements or conclusions therein.

That would be interesting, especially for those of us who are not
researchers but do read most everything that shows up.  I'm game.

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                           UFO FAQ Needs New Home

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:28:17 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:48:46 -0500
Subject: UFO FAQ Needs New Home


Hi all,

I just received word that UFOIC, which hosts my UFO FAQ, is
ceasing to exist. I don't know the exact reasons, but they ran
into some difficulties funding the organization and in general I
don't think they had anticipated the amount of work adequately.
In any case, the webmaster is going to take down the site.

That means that my UFO FAQ will be taken down as well. I think
this would be a sorry thing to happen and therefore I hereby ask
any of you if this document can find a new home on one of your
sites. To see what I'm talking about, go to
http://www.ufoic.com/faq

I have intended it as a guide for the interested newcomer  and as
a reference document. I am currently in the process of writing a
new edition. It's all text, no pictures and in the order of 100K.

Thanks a lot in advance for help!













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                     UFO Studies [was: 'The Threat'...]

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:33:21 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:49 -0500
Subject: UFO Studies [was: 'The Threat'...]

>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:37:53 -0500 (EST)

>  > Basically, I think that has to be an important
>  > part of our "baseline": we have reports from the present day and
>  > the last fifty years which have been relatively well
>  > investigated, and the credibility of whose witnesses is generally
>  > known.

>  But is it though?  So much of what I have heard (and again, I'll
>  admit much of it being more recent may very well be a poor
>  sample) has involved little physical evidence and has relied
>  mostly on the credibility of the eyewitness.  And especially in
>  cases where hypnotic regression has been used, I have some
>  difficulty accepting witness credibility.

There's no question that much UFO data lies in the realm of
"testimony'. For that reason, I would argue that one does a
disservice both to science in general and to the study of UFOs in
particular by any insistence that the methods of physics or
chemistry are appropriate for anything other that supporting
roles (i.e. in the analysis of physical trace evidence). UFOs are
not chemicals or forces which can be isolated and reproduced in a
laboratory setting. But, unlike some, I do not believe this is
something isolated to the problem of UFOs. Sociology, forensics,
the various parts of the natural sciences which rely on the
observation of organisms acting naturally in their habitat (such
as ornithology) have many of the same problems.

It also needs to be kept in mind that there is, essentially, NO
funding for UFO studies. The Ubatuba magnesium was studied with
very limited resources, and, yes, there remain a number of
questions about the process of their analysis, and, of course the
tragedy of the loss of fragment 1, but nonetheless, even that
limited analysis provided some very interesting results. The
Trans-en-Provence case was studied by an arm of the French
government, and their results, with regard to the temperatures
and forces which were needed to cause the traces, seem to point
to heavy weight and high heat - but followup is limited by time
and money.

EM effects and what could cause them are certainly under
investigated in the sense that very little experimental science
has been done on them. The Condon Committee worked with Ford and
did some experiments with magnetism to try to stop car engines,
but the experiments only managed to indicate that magnetism was
not the cause of UFO related vehicle stoppages. But
electrostatics, EMP, non-electron charged particles, strongly
alternating magnetic fields (as used in demagnetization
equipment) have not yet been examined, both due to the lack of
researcher interest, the lack of funds to support such research
(except, perhaps, in classified weapons development projects).

So, given the amateur nature of the data gathering and the
theories being generated, I think we must be prepared to live
with the preponderance of verbal and photographic data for a
fairly long time. But that is not to say that conclusions of a
limited sort cannot be drawn from that information, or that that
information need be unreliable. Haines, in his 1980 work
"Observing UFOs" covered many of the perceptual factors important
in understanding what happens to the UFO witness during the
perception of an inexplicable event. With that sort of
information as a guide, and the careful sifting of information
from the witnesses, we can derive limited conclusions or at least
generate partial hypotheses (i.e. hypotheses about specific
events, the appearance of certain objects and effects, etc. - not
global ones about the meaning and the cause).

To give an example, the Moreland case in 1959 gives an excellent
example of a clear relationship between UFO luminosity and
manuvering:

http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/ufo/report/590713.htm

A case from Selma in 1957 shows a clear pattern in luminosity and
manuvers of another sort:

http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/ufo/report/571029.htm

From these kinds of observations, we can surely derive some
useful hypotheses, as long as we have field investigators
skeptically and reliably approaching UFO cases and giving
us clean testimony to base our thoughts on.

>  > So the patterns we derive from that data are probably
>  > representative of the "real" phenomenon (whatever that may be).
>  > Thus, when I go back and look at old data, I give much greater
>  > credibility to cases that support current patterns than to those
>  > which break them.

>  I can understand your motivation for doing this, but at the same
>  time I worry that doing so may be dangerous.  I'd prefer to have
>  some sort of objective criterion to select or reject data.
>  Without it, you risk massaging the data to support an existing
>  conclusion.

Look, accepting or rejecting data according to objective criteria is
an issue. But, unfortunately, in a number of cases, we're only
going to be able to approach this ideal. It was this problem which
led Hynek to try to formulate a system of strangeness and
probability. Unfortunately, his system is very difficult to apply,
and we are always, to some extent, left to rely on the reputation
of the field investigator and the researcher.

However, I don't think that rejecting old data which strays
wildly from well-documented modern case profiles represents
anything like "massaging the data". Certainly, rejected data
should still be maintained in files and catalogs, along with the
reasons for its rejection. For that matter, the pattern of IFOs
vs. UFOs is one which has caused some controversy, so, obviously,
even IFOs should not be merely thrown away. But we have to make a
decision on credibility at some point - and perhaps each
researcher must make that decision separately and differently (as
we do). But I believe it will be the competition between
hypotheses and cases which will help decide what is credible and
what is not.

>  Actually parallel worlds aren't as hoaky as you think (c.f.,
>  Everett and Wheeler) but that's a matter of semantics.  Like I
>  said, I look forward to evaluating the evidence myself.
>  Ultimately, though, since we can't really do any experiments, it
>  all comes down to which theory describes it "best".  And "best"
>  is of course a matter of one's personal belief systems; the
>  metrics we each use to evaluate the elegance and "ordinariness"
>  of a theory are entirely subjective.

I don't really think I'd agree here. What makes a theory "best"
will be its predictions and how well they agree with reality as
represented by observations.

For instance, Keyhoe and Vallee both made predictions about the
sequence of UFO luminosity colors in various performance regimes.
One of these describes the reality better - or neither does. Keel
claimed that UFO cases on a particular night seemed to respect
state boundaries - that can be tested. Vallee claimed that "there
are too many landings" and that this indicates that UFOs are
non-physical in the normal sense. My analysis of Vallee's Magonia
catalog

        http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/magland.htm

indicates that this may not be so.

As long as a theory provides a testable discriminator, we can
determine which does a better job, and thus, we objectively
decide on which theory is better.

>  Case in point, I've met people who believe that the entire
>  phenomenon is essentially being produced, in physical form, by
>  mass human belief (the "Tulpa" theory).  To them, this was a much
>  more elegant explanation.  Until we can figure out how to test a
>  theory on the UFO phenomenon, it's going to come down to "who
>  sounds less like a crackpot".  And while there are some people
>  I'd definitely consider crackpots, I'm sure others would say the
>  same of me.  Or you, for that matter.

Well, actually, the Tulpa conjecture isn't even a hypothesis. It
needs a testable component. How would one, for instance,
distinguish between a Tulpa and a holographic projection, or a
trans-dimensional intrusion (whatever that is)...

>  Well, I think most, if not all, of these theories put a strain on
>  physics, if for no other reason than UFOs appear to have some
>  form of reactionless propulsion (if this has been addressed
>  before please tell me in email and I'll look it up).  But I rely
>  heavily upon Clarke's Law in issues of technology, because I
>  don't think our own level of science is anywhere close to
>  perfection.

Paul Hill shows that this is not really the problem.
Technological hypotheses of UFOs don't strain physics, they
strain engineering, which is another matter entirely.

Keep looking, there's plenty of information, just a paucity of
careful thought as to how to make it useful.

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               Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:14 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:32:50 -0500
Subject: Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]


>  From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
>  Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:24:22 EST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject:  Re: 'The Threat'...

>  What is most curious to me, is the disdain most Sci Fi writers
>  and affectionados have for the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, somehow,
>  finding ETI would threaten the demise of the genre?

Both SF authors and fans are a microcosm of society at large.
Still, I'm not sure about the general disdain part.

Asimov and Clarke both publicly were disdainful of UFOs, but I'm
not sure I could think of anyone else who's made a public stand
on the subject.

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                     Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:24:45 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:31:00 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 4

>  From: Masinaigan <Masinaigan@aol.com>
>  Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:23:18 EST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Fwd: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 4

>  MYSTERIOUS LIGHT FLASHES
>  SEEN BY MOTORIST NEAR
>  CHESHIRE, CONNECTICUT

>       On Friday, January 16, 1998, at around 6 p.m.,
>  Robert D. was driving home from work on Interstate
>  Highway I-691 west of Meriden, Connecticut
>  (population 59,479), about 25 miles (40 kilometers)
>  southwest of Hartford, the state capital.
>       "I saw a very strange, very bright blue light off
>  to the southern horizon," Bob reported.  "It was
>  after an ice storm" and the area "was without
>  power."

As the MUFON CT Assistant State Director, I offer the following
concerning this report.

1) I was contacted by the other witness to the sighting (not
mentioned in the UFO Roundup report). Both witnesses knew each
other and had discussed the sighting afterward.

2) The other witness indicated the time was 10:45-11:00 PM

3) The other witness indicated the cars were driving west on 691,
heading for I-84, and that the flashes were about fifteen degrees
BEHIND the car, which would mean that the Sleeping Giant location
is not possible. I plotted the sight lines on a map based on the
information from the witness, and the sight lines crossed the
densest part of Meriden.

4) Inquiries to the local power company indicated that 86,000
customers in that area were without power, that there were
numerous lines down and transformer problems resulting from the
ice storm and that any of these could have caused arcing. The
power company does not generally have and does not maintain
information concerning whether a downed line was arcing or not.

5) An arcing power line and certain kinds of transformer problems
can cause extremely bright blue-white flashes of the sort
reported.

6) The reported duration of the flashes ranges from the 2 seconds
of the story to the 5-8 secs reported to me.

7) No object was seen at any time.

Based on this, I have classified the report as identified.

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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:28:14 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:32:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:39:54 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

>>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
>>From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

<snip>

>Again, why is -this guy- being picked apart? It's crazy.
>There are guys like Derrel Sims that are consistently
>associated with "carnival side shows" just like the one
>UPN produced. He's -always- associated with questionable
>material and programs. Not a peep out of anyone about
>that snake-oil salesman, but Stan (a guy that made his
>'bones' years ago and has -earned- our respect) get's
>talked about/ judged/ sentenced and executed all in
>one week!

>onde esta la justicia? Where is the justice in that?

La justicia esta aqui. History will judge people like Stan
favorably, because they took the initiatives and the risks to
move this field forward.


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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:18:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:55:19 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video


>From: KRandle993@aol.com [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:19:21 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video


>>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:09:42 -0400
>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UPN Abduction Video


DAY AT THE CIRCUS

Kevin, Stanton and List,

Information has lost its sense since its Dollars and Cents
Reality has long lost its virginity To virtuality

(Alfred gimme a break here)

Long ago, I stopped believing in newspapers and TV.

Reference 1: "Information" is not delivered, it is fabricated.
If information was indeed close to objectivity, would we be
having this List and all this hugging and pushing about getting
the UFO phenomena some credibility? (please capitalize this last
sentence with 42 points Courier font)

I fail to understand the present shivering indignified posts
about a video flop.  As if the "program" was some exceptional
deceiving piece of work.  It is not exceptional.  It is coherent
with some obscure religion named "TV ratings".

I find any %&!$#@ information show much much more insulting, for
the following reasons:

1.  It makes you believe that you are intelligent because you
watch the show;

2.  It makes you believe you are educated because it makes you
believe you are informed;

3.  There is no point in persuading an imbecile that he or she is
right.  The Devil (figuratively speaking, I am no religion freak)
has no interest in an already conquered soul.  Mucho delights
must be expected from hoaxing a mucho wise guy (or lady).

4.  The program Frontline on PBS should be considered and
exception.

5.  If you don't believe in informative deception, I suggest you
talk to ANY person you know who has been directly concerned with
TV and newspapers.  Strangely enough, they ALL come up with the
same observation: "This is not exactly what I said..."

6.  Don't believe this ?  Please go back to reference 1.

In an edited TV program, you see only what the producers want you
to see.  Evidently, when you choose to participate to a TV
program, you decline any responsibility towards the viewer.  It
is not your thing. You merely get paid for it.  I understand that
Stanton in one of the very few researchers who earn their life
with Ufology.  It is understandable he has become some figure
most UFO shows will want to have.  I have seen and talked with
Stanton Friedman at a conference here in Montreal 2 or 3 years
ago.  He had this rare Cartesian approach to UFOs.  In my mind
this guy stood for credibility and honesty. He still does.
Seeing him in an edited-to-death program cannot surprise me or
annoy me in any way.  How could it ?

I have seen Bruce Maccabee quite a few times on shows like
Unsolved Mysteries.  He even appeared in the latest "Most
Controversial UFO Videos" or the likes on Fox TV a couple of
months ago.  I never met Bruce, but if I judged the guy from what
I saw on TV, I'd swear he plays the organ in a remake of the
Phantom of the Opera !  Well... I know... he does play the
organ... But mainly at parties :)  And judging from what he writes
on the list, I'd say that an image is now bullshit and that we
should all start going back to some era where words were
meaningful.  In this age of media, image has become worse than
meaningless, it has become a substitute for what is real.  It
pretends to be a clone.  But it's a changeling.  Worse than a
lie, because you tend to believe it is your child and you act
accordingly.

The UPN thing is merciful crap.  Much better in this way than
the insidious Nova program last fall, or the fallacious Alien
Autopsy on FOX some years ago.  The one's who believe the UPN BS
couldn't tell Stanton Friedman from Philip Klass.  Who and what
are we defending or attacking here?









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                          Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

From: JJ Mercieca <mufor@maltanet.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:43:08 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:57:45 -0500
Subject: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

>http://www.io.com/~stephens/Mars/id4/id4.html
>and am wondering if there is any background to this video clip.
>It shows the Sojourner out and about when a huge shadow passes
>over the entire area, akin to the ID4 movie.

The site text says "...On July 12, in an incident that NASA and
Area 51 officials have named "The Independence Day Scenario"
(after a scene in the popular movie in which ...."}

Area 51 officials? When have they admitted they even exist let
alone send out press releases together with NASA?

Following the links at the bottom of the page will take you to
another "stunning revelation" ... a monolith on Mars which
happens to be a photo montage of the ALH 84001 meteorite on the
Pathfinder images. The rest of the pages indexed on the site are
full of the same type of "tabloid stuff" and doctored images.
Someone with too much free time on his hands.

Regards,

JJ Mercieca
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                          Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 07:40:52 -0600
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:59:22 -0500
Subject: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:20:52 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: ID4 Shadows on Mars?
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:15:32 -0600
> > From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: ID4 Shadows on Mars?

> > Hello!

> > I ran across this link:

> > http://www.io.com/~stephens/Mars/id4/id4.html

> > and am wondering if there is any background to this video clip.

> > ---snipped--

> > Any comments?

> Some idiot has just faked the entire thing using photoshop or
> suchlike... and done a really bad job. I have copies of the exact
> same shots without the big bad shadow effect. Everything on the
> website is pretty damn laughable..I hope there arnt really people
> out there who would buy it..although that UPN survey mentioned on
> this list is a worry...

> K

Hi!

Bingo!  My concerns exactly.  The UPN farce beautifully
illustrates that even an obvious hoax such as 'Lk County' can
sway large (larger than I would have expected) numbers of
individuals, without really trying to deceive.  When people
really put their mind to it......

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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:52:49 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:25:33 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:33:21 -0800

> It also needs to be kept in mind that there is, essentially, NO
> funding for UFO studies.

An excellent point and one I think that also applies to advanced
propulsion systems as well.  Case in point, I have often wondered
if many of the "Area 51" sightings might not simply be unusual or
highly advanced aircraft, not necessarily back-engineered from
UFOs, but nonetheless using technology beyond the realm of what
most people are aware of.  I would love to see funding for
*public* research into EM propulsion, because I think that
everyone could benefit.  I simply cannot accept that we are in
such dire straits that we need to keep the entire country in the
dark about what could be revolutionary advances in propulsion.
The real threats to the country today would seem to come from
small terrorist groups using nonconventional weapons, and with
this type of threat it doesn't matter how many "gee-whiz" planes,
drones, EMP saucers, or whatever else they happen to have
nowadays.

But, unfortunately, the military has a lot of money, and we
don't. And unless Bill Gates decides he wants to start his own
research center I think this will remain a problem, despite the
fact that I think there must be a hell of a lot of commercial
applications.

> Look, accepting or rejecting data according to objective criteria is
> an issue. But, unfortunately, in a number of cases, we're only
> going to be able to approach this ideal.

I wasn't saying what that there was any better way of dealing
with the problem, only that rejecting cases to fit a theory is
risky. But, as you said, the original data are maintained (or
should be) so of course anyone else is free to try and come up
with a better theory.

> For that matter, the pattern of IFOs
> vs. UFOs is one which has caused some controversy, so, obviously,
> even IFOs should not be merely thrown away.

Do you know if anyone has attempted to correlate sightings (based
on raw data) with anything else?  Once the sample size becomes
large enough, the noise should fall away if the statistic used is
sophisticated enough.

> But I believe it will be the competition between
> hypotheses and cases which will help decide what is credible and
> what is not.

Exactly.  That's why I want to look at the original data myself
-- to see if any of the ideas I have, or that other people have,
fit better.

> I don't really think I'd agree here. What makes a theory "best"
> will be its predictions and how well they agree with reality as
> represented by observations.

That's assuming any of them are predictive.  I have yet to see
this, but again you bring up examples of predictions (Keyhoe and
Vallee) so I'll be most interested in reading them.

>       http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/...

I started reading through your website, by the way, which is
quite comprehensive, and an excellent resource.

> Well, actually, the Tulpa conjecture isn't even a hypothesis. It
> needs a testable component. How would one, for instance,
> distinguish between a Tulpa and a holographic projection, or a
> trans-dimensional intrusion (whatever that is)...

You're right, conjecture is a better term, although it's not the
first time someone has used "hypothesis" to describe a conjecture
which cannot, at this time, be tested.  But to be honest much of
the less academic UFO literature describes conjectures (and much
of it depends so heavily upon conspiracies that one cannot
reasonably refute the conjectures).

> Technological hypotheses of UFOs don't strain physics, they
> strain engineering, which is another matter entirely.

Interesting.  Well, if UFOs do use some type of EM propulsion I'd
hate to wind up underneath one without some serious magnetic
shielding around my noggin.

> Keep looking, there's plenty of information, just a paucity of
> careful thought as to how to make it useful.

Thanks.

-- Bill







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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:19:57 EST
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:51:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:14 -0800


 >>  From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
 >>  Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:24:22 EST
 >>  To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>  Subject:  Re: 'The Threat'...

 >>  What is most curious to me, is the disdain most Sci Fi writers
 >>  and affectionados have for the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, somehow,
 >>  finding ETI would threaten the demise of the genre?

 >Both SF authors and fans are a microcosm of society at large.
 >Still, I'm not sure about the general disdain part.

 >Asimov and Clarke both publicly were disdainful of UFOs, but I'm
 >not sure I could think of anyone else who's made a public stand
 >on the subject.


Actually most science fiction writers do have a disdain for the
UFO phenomenon. Frederik Pohl and I have debated the topic at a
couple of science fiction conventions. He also did some UFO
investigations in the 1960s but ran into some of the hoaxes or
misidentifications that convinced him that all sightings would
meet with a similar fate.

At other conventions there have been debates between the SF
writers and the UFO researchers. It is interesting that, many, if
not most of the SF writers believe that UFOs are not real.

On the other hand, when I have lectured at SF conventions, the
lectures are always among the most heavily attended and my time
is expanded from the normal hour to 90 minutes.

In other words, there is interest in UFOs, but the SF fans want
something in the way of solid proof. Any lecture that contains
the physical evidence cases is well received. They don't want to
here uncorroborated tales of alien visitation. They are a
different crowd, many of whom have a solid grounding in science.

KRandle
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              Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction

From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:03:17 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:31:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> From: "Steven Kaeser" <steve@konsulting.com>
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction
> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:42:23 -0500

> >Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:02:20 -0600 (CST)
> >From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@HiWAAY.net>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Chilling Video Record of a Family's Abduction


> >This video has been out AND debunked for quite a while.
> >Sightings or some other paranormal program debunked this video
> >ages ago.  I even have that episode on tape, and when I get my
> >VCR working again, I'll give you the copyright date.  Sightings,
> >or whoever, even interviewed the director/story writer and he
> >said he was honored that anyone thought this film was real, but
> >that it was just a student film project.  Shown where production
> >stills of the little girls getting into alien costums and such.

> >But the fact is, this video has been out and about for a long
> >time, at least two years.  And it has been debunked and a known
> >fake for at least a year and a half.  When I saw the Sightings
> >(or whatever) show two years ago with this topic, I was under the
> >impression that Sightings had done the story on the abduction
> >video as if it were real over a year before.

> You're thinking of a different video.  The video shown on
> sightings was very similar, but not the same one.  I believe that
> John has confirmed some of the details regarding the history of
> the UPN video, and posted that information to UpDates.  If I
> recall, the video shown several years ago on Sightings was a
> demonstration video that was created to try and attract interest
> in a full fledged production (thankfully never made).  Someone
> later decided to send it to a UFO researcher for a laugh and a
> number of man-hours were wasted in researching it.

As I said in my original note, I didn't see the UPN production,
and based my claim on the descriptions seen on the list.  But as
Bob Shell pointed out, I wasn't far off the mark.  That alleged
demonstration video and this UPN fiasco were written and directed
by the same man.  Either way, the two videos are simply too much
alike for there not to have been a connection.

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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:00:44 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:26:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:14 -0800

> Asimov and Clarke both publicly were disdainful of UFOs, but I'm
> not sure I could think of anyone else who's made a public stand
> on the subject.

What I find most curious is that Carl Sagan, whom I remember as
being quite skeptical about UFOs, nonetheless wrote a novel,
_Contact_, in which the protagonists contact an alien race and
yet the entire event is totally without substantiation; it all
comes down to eyewitness credibility.  That seems strange to me,
but then again I suppose Sagan didn't see any inconsistency since
his novel was fictional.

(Actually, my friend Ken, who worked under Horowitz (sp?) at
Harvard on the SETI project, met Sagan and told me that, despite
his public image, he wasn't exactly one of the better minds of
the 20th century.  But that's neither here nor there.  The other
relevant point Ken made about SETI was that many in the field
believed that any reasonably advanced alien race wouldn't be
wasting energy broadcasting their communications across the
galaxy, and that until or unless we start saying "hello"
ourselves we probably won't find much.)

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                          Re: Books - 'The Threat'

From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:33:07 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:08:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Books - 'The Threat'

One might begin, for example, with the conclusions Jacobs
extrapolates from the Roper Report, which lead him to proclaim
that "millions" of Americans may have been abducted. (See pp
124-5 of The Threat.)

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that no such claim can be
made in the first place, let alone supported by the resulting
evidence. This should be self-evident by a simple reading of the
poll questions and the responses to same.

In other words, why not simply ask: do you think you have ever
had a close encounter with a UFO, and following that, do you
think you may have been taken aboard same?

Instead, Hopkins and Jacobs ask a series of questions -- none of
which has to do with a distantly perceived ufo -- and then
conclude that anyone positively responding to a certain number of
indicators inequivocably(sp?) indicates an abduction by alien
extraterrestrial beings -- that is, respond yea to, say, six out
of ten questions, and you therefore corroborate our theory and
assumptions of what abductions are all about, no ifs, ands or
buts. You've been abducted by literal ETs, no other theorists
need apply.

All very neat, if extremely messy. But let's suppose you wanted
to take an equally oblique approach in determining what numbers
of Americans are heavy drinkers. The direct approach would be to
ask such questions as a) do you drink more than such and such a
day, b) starting at what time of day, and so on.

The Jacobs/Hopkins approach, however, is to ask whether you might
not have smelled beer on one occasion, sipped champagne on
another, imbibed Wild Turkey on a third, downed a scotch on a
fourth -- and thereby conclude that one is both an alcoholic and
abductee.

To put it bluntly and parsimoniously: *nothing* in the Roper
Report supports Jacobs's latest contention -- let alone his
cataclysmic and catastrophic warnings that we are now hovering on
the edge of alien absorption.

For all the money spent on it, the Roper Report means nothing
whatsoever.
Over to Greg and the rest of the list,

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                      FOIA request for non-US citizens

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:36:59 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:43:57 -0500
Subject: FOIA request for non-US citizens

Greeting esteemed list members...


A fellow-countryman has a need to request a FOIA search for
certain documents.

However, not being US citizens, we are obviously going to
experience certain fundamental problems.

Now my countryman is willing to pay the FOIA levy if the search
proves fruitfull, but we need a US person who is willing to
initiate the request.

Anybody care to respond privately to this? (Mr. Gersten, maybe?
Glenn Campbell? anybody?)

Replies to louwje@telkom.co.za, please.

(Note: this request is not sanctioned by, nor is it the policy
of, Telkom South Africa or its employees. I just use my business
email account for international email access.)

Jakes E. Louw
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144
louwje@telkom.co.za










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                       Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:10:55 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:20:58 -0500
Subject: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

According to Tim Good=92s literary agent, Andrew Lownie, Tim=92s next
book 'Alien Base' which is due to be published early this year,
is the best he=92s ever done.  So good in fact, that Tim has
received a huge up-front payment to the sum of =A3200,000.

'Alien Base' is the result of a thorough investigation into alien
bases right here on our own planet. Tim believes that Earth
itself is one big alien base.  I asked him to name some of these
bases but I guess he=92s saving those for the book, however he did
offer some locations. Possible underground alien bases are
apparently located in the US, with one in Taos, New Mexico,
others exist in South America and Russia, but none in the United
Kingdom.  Underwater bases are in Central America, Mexico, Peru
and Brazil. Tim has found no evidence of any activity in the
infamous Dulce site, but he has no doubt that some kind of
evidence did exist, and has spoken to the local Indians about
this.

In a recent issue of Saucer Smear, editor Jim Mosley, writes that
Tim Good has sent him a copy of a letter (dated May 9th 1968)
which pertains to be from the late Senator Robert Kennedy to the
late Gray Barker. In the letter, Kennedy claims to have a
positive interest in flying saucer research and to be a card
carrying member of a pro-contactee UFO group based in California.
I haven=92t seen the letter, but if it=92s genuine it surely proves
that Robert Kennedy was a believer. However, Tim Good will have a
hard time convincing Jim, who as we know, has edited his sceptic
newsletter for over forty years now.

Georgina Bruni
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                  Re: UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO

From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:39:04 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:38:15 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Crash in Ukraine & Chernobyl UFO

> From: vladimir@neuro.kharkov.ua
> To: kutovoj@mail.iae.lt
> Subject: letter

> Dear Anatoly,

> Your e-mail of January 15 (written in Russian in MIME format)
> was quite readable, but your e-mail of January 20 (in Windows-
> 1251) was not (in its Russian-language part, of course). Thank
> you for the information on the supposed crash of an unknown
> object not far from Kharkov - I did not hear about this. Isn't
> there a possibility to find out the title of the newspaper, in
> which this report was published? In any case, I will try to
> verify it. At present I have no independent confirmation of the
> report.

<snip>

> All my best wishes!

> Sincerely, Vladimir Rubtsov

Dear Vladimir,

Alexey V. Arkhipov of the Institute of Radio Astronomy in
Kharkov, Ukraine had a letter published in the March 1995 issue
of Spaceflight magazine and in your RIAP Bulletin, April-June
1994 issue which he gives details about a May 15, 1994 crash of
an unknown object about 40 km to the SSW of Kharkov.  He says
"Apparently this artefact of unknown origin seems a promising
candidate for being extraterrestrial trash which accidentally hit
the Earth.".  Could the this incident have something in common
with the other alleged Kharkov UFO crash?

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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:00:50 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:57:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers

>  From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
>  Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:24:22 EST
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject:  Re: 'The Threat'...

>  What is most curious to me, is the disdain most Sci Fi writers
>  and affectionados have for the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, somehow,
>  finding ETI would threaten the demise of the genre?

I don't know about their attitude toward UFO's in general, but
presumably from having read numerous stories about all kinds of
possible alien life forms, most of the science fiction fans I've
asked view the likelihood of humanoid aliens such as the greys as
extremely unlikely, and they tend to laugh out loud at the
mention of the Santilli alien autopsy film.

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                                 UFO*BC News

From: UFO*BC <pengilly@axionet.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:35:04 GMT
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:44:03 -0500
Subject: UFO*BC News


************************************************************
From time to time, UFO*BC sends out a group e-mail to let
people know about upcoming lectures, changes to the website
and interesting UFO tidbits. If you do not wish to be on
this group list, please let us know and we will gladly remove
your name.
************************************************************

1) "Sightings On The Radio" - http://www.sightings.com

As well as having an excellent website, Sightings has a radio
show 6 nights a week, Monday to Saturday, from 7 PM to 10 PM PST.
Please check out their site and listen to some of their archived
radio shows (you will need to download "RealAudio" if you don't
already have it). UFO*BC has been chosen to host the radio show
on the fourth Tuesday of every month. We usually start off the
show with the latest UFO news from British Columbia and then
delve into our vaults for some of our favourite historical BC
cases. We then bring on an interesting guest from across Canada.
Last month we had Don Ledger from Nova Scotia and this month we
will have Chris Rutkowski from Manitoba. At present the show is
not broadcast over the air waves in Canada, but negotiations are
underway for the CHUM radio stations to pick up the show. We
strongly urge everyone to contact their local CHUM affiliate to
request that they carry the show. If you live in the Lower
Mainland of BC the CHUM affiliate is CFUN, and the Program
Director's e-mail address is ngallagh@cfun.com

2) UFO*BC Website - http://www.ufobc.org

We have slowly been making some changes (we think improvements)
to our website. Linked directly from the bottom of the Homepage,
we now have one or two "Feature Articles" and the "Latest
Sighting Report". Sometimes the "Feature" story might be one of
our favourite historical cases, but right now we have two new
articles written by Graham Conway. The first one, "Let's Close
the Gap" is about the need for recognition and investigation
into the injuries reported by close encounter witnesses. The
second article, "A Chilean Andes Fender Bender" is about the
recovery of four chunks of material from an apparent collision
between an UFO and the side of a mountain. The "Latest Sighting"
is from the Cowichan Valley area of Vancouver Island, although
this is about to be updated with a couple more recent cases.

We have just added a "Picture Gallery" of Yvonne Lowe's photos
(click on "Supernatural BC" on the Homepage, then "Strange
Photos"). We presently have 24 of her pictures up now, but we
will be making some substitutions and adding some commentary
in the next few weeks. We will then work on Robert Spicer's
"Photo Gallery", and eventually a list of Dorothy Izatt's pics.

Bill says he has a bunch more "Bigfoot" stories to go up and he
is almost finished with the "UFO*BC Store". We will have our
own magazines, bumper stickers and pins listed, as well as some
selected videos and books. We have more ideas, but I will let
you know about those after we finish what we have on our plate
at present.(so much to do, so little time)

**************************************************************

If you have comments please e-mail me at:
pengilly@axionet.com

Thank you,
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                           Re: UPN Abduction Video

From: "Len Fedullo" <lenf1@snip.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:28:42 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:39:41 -0500
Subject: Re: UPN Abduction Video

Mr. Friedman,

I would agree, as would the majority of people who follow your
work or for that matter anyone with an interest in abduction,
that many of your comments on the UPN show were accurate. But
again, I must state that my point was not to question what you
said but where you said it. So I'll ask as clearly as I can. No
matter what your comments are, if you associate yourself with a
television show such as this highly questionable one that UPN
aired, does that help your cause?  Are more people incline to
believe in your work ? Or does it hurt your  cause ?  That's all
I'm really asking.

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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:29:50 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:56:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


> From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]
> To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:00:44 -0500 (EST)

> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> > Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:14 -0800

> > Asimov and Clarke both publicly were disdainful of UFOs, but I'm
> > not sure I could think of anyone else who's made a public stand
> > on the subject.

> What I find most curious is that Carl Sagan, whom I remember as
> being quite skeptical about UFOs, nonetheless wrote a novel,
> _Contact_, in which the protagonists contact an alien race and
> yet the entire event is totally without substantiation; it all
> comes down to eyewitness credibility.  That seems strange to me,
> but then again I suppose Sagan didn't see any inconsistency since
> his novel was fictional.

> (Actually, my friend Ken, who worked under Horowitz (sp?) at
> Harvard on the SETI project, met Sagan and told me that, despite
> his public image, he wasn't exactly one of the better minds of
> the 20th century.

Hi Bill and Mark and List,

Who makes the bigger contribution, the scientist that finds the
magic bullet to a terrible desease or the person(s) who sweated
to find the millions so the scientist could do the research?
Sagan probably did more than any other scientist to popularize
space and its wonders and he pushed SETI, which in turn further
ligitimized our field. Besides Carl was,I think, a closet UFO
supporter.

> But that's neither here nor there.  The other
> relevant point Ken made about SETI was that many in the field
> believed that any reasonably advanced alien race wouldn't be
> wasting energy broadcasting their communications across the
> galaxy, and that until or unless we start saying "hello"
> ourselves we probably won't find much.)
> -- Bill

I though they were looking for the equivilent of the Howdy Doody
show that has been on its way out into the galaxy from here for
the last 50 years. It doesn't have to be a message of profound
import, a weather forcast, stock market report, a president being
impeached...etc. If we're lucky, maybe it will be "Laugh-In".

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                     Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:20:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:06:53 -0500
Subject: Re: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....


>From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....URGENT....URGENT
>To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:26:05 -0600 (CST)


>> From: SGB List 2 <SGBList2@aol.com>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:28:02 EST
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: URGENT...URGENT....URGENT.....URGENT....URGENT

>> ************************ EXTREMELY URGENT ******************************
>> I AM IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF INSIDE CONTACT PHONE NUMBERS FOR ANY OF THE
CHIEF
>> AIDES TO PRESIDENT OR MRS. CLINTON.
>> EXAMPLES:  BRUCE LINDSAY, ANTHONY LAKE, ERSKINE BOWLES, ETC.

>I don't even want to *imagine* why he'd want this .....

>Besides, I'm sure President Al Gore will be fully briefed on the
>UFO cover-up after he's sworn in next week.>

BETTER YET, HE WILL BE GIVEN A RIDE ON A UFO--- one way!
--
Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca
(and now, also: Chris.Rutkowski@UMAlumni.mb.ca)
University of Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada









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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:07:23 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:09:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


>From: KRandle993 <KRandle993@aol.com> [Kevin Randle]
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:19:57 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:47:14 -0800



>Actually most science fiction writers do have a disdain for the
>UFO phenomenon. Frederik Pohl and I have debated the topic at a
>couple of science fiction conventions. He also did some UFO
>investigations in the 1960s but ran into some of the hoaxes or
>misidentifications that convinced him that all sightings would
>meet with a similar fate.

>KRandle
>www.crystalsky.com

What about Jacques Vallee? Robert Anton Wilson? Patricia Anthony?
Whitley Strieber?

-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica
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                   Re: The Tender Underbelly of Ufology...

From: TotlResrch <TotlResrch@aol.com> [Kal K. Korff]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:32:34 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:23:01 -0500
Subject: Re: The Tender Underbelly of Ufology...


>Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:56:56 -0800
>From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UPN Abduction Video- and the tender underbelly of Ufology...

<snip>

>Now, Kal has been investigating UFOs since high school,
>some twenty five or so years.  He has furthered computer
>technology in the very nerve centers of some of our most
>esteemed and esoteric national laboratories.  He has
>written a couple of books apparently striving to correct
>and clarify errors in a couple of pivotal episodes in
>modern ufology.  Still, I am ignorant of any original work
>of Korff's.

>What I am looking for is anything Kal Korff has done that
>reflects original investigation of obscure or unknown events that
>have furthered our knowledge or awareness of mysterious objects
>that cannot be explained by current technology.  I am sure that
>in twenty five or so years of research, Kal has discovered and
>reported something original that taught us more about things
>beyond our terrestrial capabilities.  It would be unfair of me to
>draw any conclusions about Kal Korff based only on reading "The
>Roswell UFO Crash" and hearing about his other book.  It would be
>better for me to also know about his contributions in furthering
>our knowledge of these mysteries.  If anyone could help me with
>this, I would really appreciate it.  Thanks...

>Bye...  Ted..


Hi Ted! Why not hear �all about Kal� from me!! You can then take
what I say and go check it yourself if you want to.

So, just ask me...ask away.

By the way, I am back from travel and some projects and
appearances, so I owe some people on this list some responses and
I will get to them throughout this week. Unfortunately, because
of some dumb formatting errors, my last posts did not get posted
in a timely manner so I did not have time to respond to people
last time around. It was my fault.

There were several emails asking me to clarify my own UFO
sighting, for example, and I intend to do this.

Regarding my "research history", Ted, I have had many articles
published over the years...going back to when I was in high
school and was a columnist and writer for several UFO magazines.
Email me and I will send you photocopies. Other magazines that
were very popular at that time were UFO publications by True,
Argosy, and a publication called 'Frontiers of Science'. Hell,
even NICAP still existed back then, and so did APRO.

APRO was the first UFO organization I ever joined, in eighth
grade. I also knew Jim and Coral Lorenzen very well.

Those bygone days were certainly LESS full of nuts, whackos and
charlatans than today. Meier was pretty much the only major scam
in town and there was no Ray Santilli, Derrel Simms, UPN 'alien'
abduction crap, etc.

I miss those times...especially the sense of RESPONSIBILITY and
OBJECTIVITY SOME of the UFO reseasrchers USED to show back then,
but do not now. They seem to have lost something as of late.

One piece I wrote, which stands out, and I think it was published
during my senior year in high school, was a detailed article
(with photos) of UFO motion picture films I had catalogued and
tried to present statistics on.

At that time, it was the most comprehensive review or list of UFO
films ever published in a widely available magazine.

While I have since changed my conclusions about some of the cases
I talked about, the major point of the article, some 26-27 years
later, STILL REMAINS THE SAME -- that MOST 'UFO' films have never
been analyzed or studied properly and scientifically!!

This is not the fault of ufologists, in every case, but certainly
with many of them.

One of my goals for 1999 is to re-open my investigations into
this area.

Well, I appreciate your interest in my research, Ted, and for
what it�s worth, I find it totally INEXCUSABLE and DISGRACEFUL
that Kevin Randle continues to endorse the tall tales of Frank
Kaufmann.

At least Stanton Friedman (much to his credit) never fell for
Kaufmann as Randle did. Randle has no excuse for STILL endorsing
Kaufmann.

I continue to have the utmost respect for Mr. Stanton Friedman,
and the UFO field NEEDS someone like Friedman who is out there
'pounding the pavement' and keeping his ear to the ground for
UFO-related evidence.

Stan and I may disagree on Roswell, but he ENDORSES my Meier
expose (I haven�t a clue where Randle stands regarding it) and
Friedman played a VERY IMPORTANT role in helping secure some
recent UFO related documents I mentioned on MSN recently, and The
Laura Lee Show, in a nationwide radio broadcast.

I am presently working on making these Roswell related UFO
documents just recently released available to the public. That
time should be by this weekend roughly, give or take a few days.

Finally, IF I had to choose, for what it�s worth (and here I
guess by saying this I will get deluged with another 300 odd
emails or so) I would take Stanton Friedman�s data over Randle�s
any day.

They�re distinctly different animals.

Friedman�s knowledge of the government�s UFO related memos and
data, from what I can tell in my own opinion, is much more
thorough than Randle�s.

You may not agree with this, and cite as an example the MJ-12
papers, but Friedman IS tenacious and doesn�t try and 'blame' his
co-author when mistakes are made nor use his co-author as a
scapegoat.

Personally, I have NO PROBLEM with anyone who makes an honest or
innocent research error or mistake...heck, look at my Art Bell
apology and episode.

However, I DO have a problem with ANYONE who REFUSES to admit
they are wrong or are in error, (especially when they know
better), and they try to weasel their way out of being held
accountable and blame their hapless (now former) colleagues.

I am STILL WAITING (as is THIS LIST) for ALL of the ADMITTED
ERRORS by Kevin Randle in his two Roswell books that he BLAMES
Don Schmitt for.

I 'psychically' predict that Randle will never produce such a
list...and my theory is that close investigation would establish
that BOTH were just as guilty. It�s up to Randle to �come clean�
on this. I doubt he will and I HOPE he PROVES ME WRONG!!

Also, having debated Kevin Randle now in person on a highly-rated
TV show, let�s just say that I know from firsthand experience
that Randle is, well.....put it this way: I wouldn�t want to be
him in about one week or so.

Sorry to be so 'mysterious', but I PROMISE I will send YOU this
new data first, before it becomes public and gets published.


Best always,
Kal









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                     Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

From: Stephen Gamble <el82@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:11:52 +0000
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:17:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers


> From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:31:24 +0000
> Subject: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

> And as
> for the AA footage, if it were faked, not only would it cost a
> great deal of money to make, but it would require at least
> fifteen to twenty people, film crew etc. to produce it, and how
> on earth would you keep all those people quiet - there's bound to
> have been a security leak by now.

I am suprised that Ray thinks you would need as many as fifteen
people tomake a film like the AA footage.  Many very good films
are made with much smaller crews than that.  Apart from the
people you see on camera, you would need a cameraman, a lighting
man and continuity.  Assuming that the actors and the crew do any
props, scenery and model making you could at a minimum get away
with maybe six people.

And six people could be the cameraman, his best friend and maybe
a couple of close relatives of each - people that would not want
to talk for fear of dropping their buddies in it.  Or
alternatively a small enough group that somebody could use
threats against to keep them in line.  This is just speculation.

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                     Beyond Roswell CD ROM and Web Site

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:53:23 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:14:58 -0500
Subject: Beyond Roswell CD ROM and Web Site

Hi all,

Just thought I would let you know that the _Beyond Roswell_ CD
ROM is now out.  It includes the complete text of the book,
complete with search engine, and a large quantity of brand new
material including still photos, video clips, etc.  It also has a
Beyond Roswell screen saver!  It will run on PC or Mac.

Those wishing to order will be able to do so very soon via
our new Beyond Roswell web site at:

http://www.beyondroswell.com

If you just can't wait for the web site to be up and running,
you can buy it from me.  $ 19.95 US plus shipping.

I have not had time to look at the whole thing, but am very
impressed with the professional job that Binary Media Works
did on the production.

Bob Shell









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                          Re: BWW Media Alert Flash

From: BufoCalvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:07:09 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:13:19 -0500
Subject: Re: BWW Media Alert Flash

Bufo Calvin
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something.  If you forward this, please make sure it is clear
that you are forwarding it).

January 27, 1998

One of my correspondents, cryptodude@aol.com (an illustrator of
cryptozoological books), pointed out that THE LEARNING CHANNEL is airing
MYTHICAL BEASTS AND MONSTERS tonight at 9:00 PM and at midnight.  Supposed to
cover Nessie, among others.  Cryptodude also mentioned that they are
presenting BIGFOOT on Thursday at 9:00 PM and midnight.

In a real hurry this morning, but I also noticed that TLC has some
parapsychological programming this Wednesday: THE GHOSTHUNTERS at 8:00 and
11:00 PM; HAUNTINGS ACROSS AMERICA at 9:00 PM and Midnight; and SECRETS OF THE
SUPER-PSYCHICS at 10:00 PM and 1:00 AM on Thursday.

This is Bufo saying, "If =everything= seemed normal, that =would= be weird!"


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I'm very excited about this!  Some of you know, I ran a bookstore
for years, and it has always been a love of mine.  I get asked
often to recommend books(I do write reviews for several
publications) on these topics, and now I can do it and actually
give you a source for them at the same time!  This is being done
in association with Amazon.com, which has an outstanding
reputation for the five "S"s of internet shopping: selection,
searchability, service, savings, and security.  If there is any
specific book you want (or topic in which you are interested),
let me know and I will do the research and e-mail you a link you
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                                 Body marks

From: William B Jennings <WILLIAM.B.JENNINGS@usa.dupont.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:25:20 -0500
Subject: Body marks

 Greeting all,

This is my first try at posting. Here it goes. I was hoping
someone could possibly answer a question for me. My girl friend,
along with my daughter and my self, has had a history of contact
with all the associated phenomena with certain ETs.(Gullations)
spelling most likely wrong. This is not something we share with
the world. It's out some what now, huh.

The three of us deal with it real well and have no real
complaints, partly because we haven't been bothered for quite a
long time. But, I believe they might be back. If what I'm about
to explain is nothing, we'll go back to our "normal" lives, but
if my senses are correct, I'll be keeping a closer eye on my
family and keep them under my wing (a closer bond than "normal")
and re-affirm their understanding." Understanding" as it
encompasses many areas.

Anyway, to get to my question. Different types of body marks are
what I'm interested in.  My girlfriend has 3, what appears to be
punctures marks behind her right ear.
They are just below the hair line on the same angle as the hair
line. Approx. 1/2 inch apart in a straight line. Spider bites?
I'm not too sure about that. It just doesn't look or feel right.

I don't recall seeing this type of pattern in the material I've
read or on her for that matter.  Have any of you seen or heard of
this pattern? Any info on this would be appreciated. I took some
pictures of this as well. I hope they turn out, because my flash
wouldn't work. Had to hold the camera real still and she didn't
want photos taken of her anyway. She just like that.

While I'm here, my family is just one of many that have had
experiences and with some experiences being total real-time
memories. We don't come out to talk about them because of the
type of treatment we get from hard core, metal sample in hand,
proof seekers along with others. The so called mental heath
"professionals" aren't helping either.  Most of them seem to just
want to collect data. They're approaching this thing, in my
belief, all wrong in the areas of helping contactees cope with
this. The whole person must be addressed. I've been working on
this for quite a few years now.  But what do I know, I'm just the
stupid smuck that has to answer my daughter's questions on what
and why these things are happening to her on my own for the most
part. The whole thing has made me look long and hard at a lot of
life's questions. I'm hoping in the future we're accepted and our
personal truth can be heard by all without ridicule. Then maybe
all of us that are affected  can heal and understand together.
Single families and small groups just aren't enough to get a grip
on this. It's time! And I would like to thank all of you that are
open, searching and knocking down doors to blow this suppressed
knowledge out into the mass consciousness.  You're hero's in my
book.

Sorry for spouting off.

Thanks, Bill










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                          Re: The Lesotho Incident

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:49 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:43:11 -0500
Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident


>Subject: Re: The Lesotho Incident
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:06:29 +0000
>From: Ralf Zeigermann <kag15@dial.pipex.com>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>

>Van Greunen is a fraud, everybody knows that and I am rather sure
>that Joachim Koch is aware of that.

>Since Joachim (who was or still is quite heavily involved in the
>case or better: the clarification of the case) has promised some
>new material, why don't we all just wait and see?

>Cheers,

>Ralf

 **************************************
 Ralf Zeigermann, Creative Consultant

 **************************************


Golly: I'm still waiting.................

Maybe he'll come out with something at the same time
that Santilli provides a proper frame of film for
analysis..................

On the other hand, maybe not.

Jakes E. Louw

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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:30:34 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:52:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


>  Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:29:50 +0100
>  From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers

>  I though they were looking for the equivilent of the Howdy Doody
>  show that has been on its way out into the galaxy from here for
>  the last 50 years. It doesn't have to be a message of profound
>  import, a weather forcast, stock market report, a president being
>  impeached...etc. If we're lucky, maybe it will be "Laugh-In".

Yeah, but how will they figure out that the Howdy Doody broadcast
they're receiving is meant to be displayed on a pentagonal screen
with irregular length sides, and with different color depths near
each corner, because the users have some weird eye?

I still think that SETI will never be able to distinguish
anything but analog radio from noise, and even that will be hard
if the content doesn't fall into the range we're used to.


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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:14:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:46:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers

>From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]
>To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:00:44 -0500 (EST)

>What I find most curious is that Carl Sagan, whom I remember as
>being quite skeptical about UFOs, nonetheless wrote a novel,
>_Contact_, in which the protagonists contact an alien race and
>yet the entire event is totally without substantiation; it all
>comes down to eyewitness credibility.  That seems strange to me,
>but then again I suppose Sagan didn't see any inconsistency since
>his novel was fictional.

An astronomer friend who knew Sagan told me that the public Sagan
and the private Sagan were two very different people.  Apparently
he realized early on that making a public show of an open mind is
not the way you advance in science.

>(Actually, my friend Ken, who worked under Horowitz (sp?) at
>Harvard on the SETI project, met Sagan and told me that, despite
>his public image, he wasn't exactly one of the better minds of
>the 20th century.  But that's neither here nor there.  The other
>relevant point Ken made about SETI was that many in the field
>believed that any reasonably advanced alien race wouldn't be
>wasting energy broadcasting their communications across the
>galaxy, and that until or unless we start saying "hello"
>ourselves we probably won't find much.)

>-- Bill

I tend to think that any really advanced civilization "out there"
will have long since abandoned radio as a means of communication,
and will be using something we would describe as "telepathy".

Bob









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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:27:33 -0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:13 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFO Studies [was: 'The Threat'...]
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:52:49 -0500 (EST)

>  > For that matter, the pattern of IFOs
>  > vs. UFOs is one which has caused some controversy, so, obviously,
>  > even IFOs should not be merely thrown away.

>  Do you know if anyone has attempted to correlate sightings (based
>  on raw data) with anything else?  Once the sample size becomes
>  large enough, the noise should fall away if the statistic used is
>  sophisticated enough.

Larry Hatch's *U* database is starting to make a large body of
cases available to researchers for just such a purpose.

The AF did some work with this, esp. in the Battelle Institute
study (which showed that IFOs and UFOs had little or nothing in
common); that study was replicated by the French Government's
GEPAN organization.

I did an analysis of Vallee's contention that there were too many
landings using the near 1000 cases in the original Magonia
catalog.

Still, I don't think statistics are the be-all and end-all of UFO
research. The data is very noisy, even after filtering, so we
have to be careful in deriving strong conclusions. At any rate,
it can only be one prong of the effort.

>  > But I believe it will be the competition between
>  > hypotheses and cases which will help decide what is credible and
>  > what is not.

>  Exactly.  That's why I want to look at the original data myself
>  -- to see if any of the ideas I have, or that other people have,
>  fit better.

I look forward to that. Intellectual ferment is badly needed.

>  >   http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/...

>  I started reading through your website, by the way, which is
>  quite comprehensive, and an excellent resource.

Thanks for your kind words.

>  > Well, actually, the Tulpa conjecture isn't even a hypothesis. It
>  > needs a testable component. How would one, for instance,
>  > distinguish between a Tulpa and a holographic projection, or a
>  > trans-dimensional intrusion (whatever that is)...

>  You're right, conjecture is a better term, although it's not the
>  first time someone has used "hypothesis" to describe a conjecture
>  which cannot, at this time, be tested.  But to be honest much of
>  the less academic UFO literature describes conjectures (and much
>  of it depends so heavily upon conspiracies that one cannot
>  reasonably refute the conjectures).

Yes, but let's ignore that stuff. Frankly, even if it weren't
unprovable it would probably be uninteresting anyway. For
instancre, the only thing that would make Roswell a useful case
would be if it were, by access being provided to fragments or
bodies, shown to be true. Unlike other UFO cases, we don't get
anything out of it on UFO behavior, occupant biology or behavior,
or any of the other areas that plain, regular UFO reports provide
so well. The conspiracy theories have the same defect.

>  > Technological hypotheses of UFOs don't strain physics, they
>  > strain engineering, which is another matter entirely.

>  Interesting.  Well, if UFOs do use some type of EM propulsion I'd
>  hate to wind up underneath one without some serious magnetic
>  shielding around my noggin.

I doubt that they use any sort of EM propulsion. Gravity, now,
there's some evidence for. Hill shows pretty comprehensively that
only force fields can provide the apparent behavior of the UFO,
while particle ejections have various plain to see side effects
that just don't show up in the data; as for magnetism as the
force field source, well, there is some data that UFOs emit
magnetic fields (Vins, for instance), but none of the emissions
seem strong enough to lift multi-ton, much less multi-ten ton
objects.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront/
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                     Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

From: Psdx1 <Psdx1@aol.com> [Phil Danielson]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:26 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:32:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

>From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:10:55 +0000
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re:Tim Good on Alien Bases

>According to Tim Good�s literary agent,
>Andrew Lownie, Tim�s next book 'Alien
>Base' which is due to be published early this
>year, is the best he�s ever done.

Having spent years working on underground alien
bases, I can't wait for Tim's book on it.

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                     Re: Sightings in foreign countries

From: Tom Benson <sparkle@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:11:03 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:27:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Sightings in foreign countries


> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:15:00 +0200
> From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries

> >From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO sightings in foreign countries
> >To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:25:34 -0500 (EST)

> >I think that would be an excellent idea.  There's an awful lot of
> >books out there and, because the entire field is viewed as
> >suspect by "respectable" scientists, one can't exactly find a
> >curriculum guide.  I've read several books that seemed to offer
> >nothing in the way of evidence or even a coherent hypothesis and
> >probably belonged more in the "new age" section of the bookstore.

> >I for one would really love to hear some good book
> >recommendations.

> I second that. Where I am, getting quality UFO literature is
> almost impossible, as most book stores don't stock them,
> probably due to the relatively low turnover.

> Please supply the titles, authors, and ISBN numbers, if
> possible.

> Jakes E. Louw
> +27 12 311-2668
> 082 923 6144
> louwje@telkom.co.za


I have been a partime bookseller on literature of the unexplained
for over ten years. I sell mainly out of print and rare
literature on Flying Saucers, UFOs, Psychic Phenomena,
Cryptozoology. My recent catalog ($1.00) lists over 280 items.
For a general overview UFO book, possibly still available from
new book stores is Richard Hall's UNINVITED GUESTS, A Documented
History of UFO Sightings, Alien Encounters & Coverups. Aurora
Press, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1988, ISBN:0-943358-32-9, softback,
$14.00.

I can be contacted at:

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From: ParaScope <ParaScope@AOL.COM>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:59:41 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:29:33 -0500
Subject: DISPATCH # 80 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

DISPATCH # 80 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

 S O M E T H I N G   S T R A N G E   I S   H A P P E N I N G

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 "Not yet."

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been trying to get him for years. Enjoy.


"The bastards finally got me.  They have been trying for years to nail me. The
FBI and the Secret Service tried for years to get me because of my computer
and crypto skills.  They tried to enroll me but I wouldn't play ball with
them.  Then I found out too much and I had to leave. After I infiltrated the
Soviet Army as a Colonel, I spent several years obtaining sensitive data, red
files and then I was brought back.  I worked mainly with night vision
development, and a few other classified projects.  They put me to sleep for
several years but I could not stand it. They put more bugs, cameras, taps and
plants onto me but I knew it.

"Bastards!  I know they pry into my computer when I am not watching through
the net, so I pull all the lines when I am not here.  I know they tap my
lines, and I hope they get a friggin earful.  I know what they are doing, I
have seen things that you would not believe.  Area 51, yes, they used to have
aliens and craft there, but they have been moved.  The ruskies have some too.

"Then they came out with cable TV, and Ted Turner was the heap big commie
behind it.  TV is destroying the youth of Amerika.  That's what they want,
anarchy and chaos, that way the people scream out for a solution to the
problem and when none can be found, the government comes up with one.  More
control, more, more, more!  Control, that's what we have now.

"I know that there are several years that I have no memory of, but I do
remember a severe pain in my leg for several years.  I could not stand the
pain anymore so I took a razor and made a cut in my leg.  There was a long
white object about 75mm long and about 4mm around buried in my leg about 1/2
deep and parallel to the bone.  I used needle nosed pliers to extract it.  I
don't know what it was, where it came from, or how it got there but I
destroyed it back in '75.  Since then I have had severe ringing in my ears,
severe pain in my right ear and right eye.

"This world is a toilet and the elite have made it that way.  They want to
destroy the common man and clone themselves in their own image, to be gods.
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UFOs Over Central America

Guatemala, heart of the Maya civilization hundreds of years ago, is the site
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                          'True Fact' - Question...

From: StanleyMle <StanleyMle@aol.com> [Robert L. King]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:45:49 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:54:12 -0500
Subject: 'True Fact' - Question...

I got this little tid-bit of information from a True Fact
Newsletter. Does anyone know anything about this and is it really
true?

Hoo boy, whadda wierd planet.

"If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does
Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S.
citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their
vehicles?"

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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:10 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:59:29 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies

>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:27:33 -0800
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies

> I doubt that they use any sort of EM propulsion. Gravity, now,
> there's some evidence for.

Yes, but to my knowledge nobody's been able to demonstrate anti-
gravity (yes I remember the hi-temp superconductor thing but I
never heard of any reliable reproduction of the effect, and
besides that affected gravity above the device, not within it).
Does general relativity even permit it?  Then again I wouldn't
know a tensor field if it bit me on the posterior, so I may be
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                               Re: Body marks

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:06:43 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:47:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Body marks

>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST)
>From: William B Jennings <WILLIAM.B.JENNINGS@usa.dupont.com>
>Subject: Body marks
>To: updates@globalserve.net

Hi Bill, hi all,

Bill wrote,

> Greeting all,

>This is my first try at posting. Here it goes. I was hoping
>someone could possibly answer a question for me. My girl friend,
>along with my daughter and my self, has had a history of contact
>with all the associated phenomena with certain ETs.

<snip>

>I'll be keeping a closer eye on my
>family and keep them under my wing (a closer bond than "normal")
>and re-affirm their understanding." Understanding" as it
>encompasses many areas.

Bill, I hear your love and concern for your family, but be very
careful not (implant) your own beliefs and interpretations on
them. As you have said the "understanding" encompasses many areas
and most of those "areas" are still very much in the dark.
Love, comfort, and protect as you can but don't influence their
beliefs one way or another. Allow them discover/determine their
own individual "meaning."

>Anyway, to get to my question. Different types of body marks are
>what I'm interested in.  My girlfriend has 3, what appears to be
>punctures marks behind her right ear.
>They are just below the hair line on the same angle as the hair
>line. Approx. 1/2 inch apart in a straight line. Spider bites?
>I'm not too sure about that. It just doesn't look or feel right.

Go to this web address Bill,

http://www.spacelab.net/~jvif/buddhopkins.html

Go to the pages marked, "Physical marks and scars" and tell me if
you see anything familiar there. BTW, those pinpricks in
triangular formation behind the ear has been repeatedly reported
by many experiencers. Check out IF.

>But what do I know, I'm just the
>stupid smuck that has to answer my daughter's questions on what
>and why these things are happening to her on my own for the most
>part.

No-one on this earth can answer the what's and why's of this
Bill. Tell them the simple truth that you just don't know or
aren't sure. Don't put yourself under all that pressure.

I too am an abductee and a father. I hear you man. Just give my
words some consideration. I hope it was helpful. Warmest regards
to you and yours.

>Sorry for spouting off.

No need for appology Bill, you're a gutsy guy for speaking out!

Peace,

John Velez










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                               Re: Body marks

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:50:09 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:09:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Body marks


> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST)
> From: William B Jennings <WILLIAM.B.JENNINGS@usa.dupont.com>
> Subject: Body marks
> To: updates@globalserve.net

> Anyway, to get to my question. Different types of body marks are
> what I'm interested in.  My girlfriend has 3, what appears to be
> punctures marks behind her right ear.

Please understand I am *not* suggesting this is the case with
your girlfriend, but I do want you to know why some people can be
so skeptical.  There are documented cases of stigmata, wounds on
the hands or wrists (as in Jesus on the Cross) which appear
suddenly and mysteriously.  Some think those affected are
(subconsciously) wounding themselves, but the evidence against
that is significant, and many suggest that the brain may be
capable (through an unknown mechanism) of triggering localized
inflammations, up to and including open sores, either "out of the
blue" or in response to mild abrasion.  The same mechanism may
also explain the "skin writing" in the possession case that was
the source for _The_Exorcist_.

That's why some people are looking for a "metal sample in hand"
as you put it.  If people took the UFO problem seriously, there
would be money for an MRI, but unfortunately there isn't.  So
when you hear from people who demand hard evidence, that's
sometimes the reason why.

I do hope, however, that you find acceptance and answers to your
concerns.  The last thing in the world a confused or suffering
person needs is ridicule.

-- Bill








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                     Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:36:04 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:07:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers


> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:11:52 +0000
> From: Stephen Gamble <el82@dial.pipex.com>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

> I am suprised that Ray thinks you would need as many as fifteen
> people tomake a film like the AA footage.  Many very good films
> are made with much smaller crews than that.  Apart from the
> people you see on camera, you would need a cameraman, a lighting
> man and continuity.  Assuming that the actors and the crew do any
> props, scenery and model making you could at a minimum get away
> with maybe six people.

How many people were in the film?  If you assume the actors also
do the continuity and lighting (wasn't the lighting static?  If
so, someone can rig it before filming), that means you need only
one cameraman and the actors.  And I've seen plenty of student
films (and I mean films, not videos) done with a similar level of
competence.  I realize the typical studio solution to making a
film is to throw gobs of money and people at it, but dedication,
skill, and plenty of time can make up for that.

> And six people could be the cameraman, his best friend and maybe
> a couple of close relatives of each - people that would not want
> to talk for fear of dropping their buddies in it.

Or for that matter a bunch of bored film and/or theatre geeks.
Or a few wise-asses at a big studio.  Some people are capable of
keeping secrets, especially if they think it's funny to keep
everyone deluded.








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                          Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #218

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:27:33 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:15:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Alfred's Odd Ode #218

Apology to MW #218 (For January 28, 1998)

Take a break from John Ford when the wheels are grinding, his
memory fading and injustice is blinding? Forget he exists in
pursuit of *new* toys, like signs, and Cydonia, or the words of
old boys? Ignore his distress, and misplace his woes, forget that
he's wearing 'those' *hospital* clothes? Would that I could but
before I forget I think of the watchers -- them previously met.
_They_ will record, for the future's sad memory, the regret that
we'll feel; and they'll make it compulsory.

~~Before the sun rose up this morning -- the first time in many
days, the pre dawn air was crystal clear; the kind of sky that
pays. I only saw one aircraft, no peculiar points of light,
distracted by more thoughts of John -- his god forsaken plight.
Dark overhead 'twas moon besotted, it hung there with a leer;
gibbous and then mocking of reminded madness -- fear. And I
thought of threat that's hanging, like a sword of Damocles, and I
know the proudest of us could be brought to fearful knees.

A siren in the distance wasn't shooting harmless blanks. Its
piercing wail sought blood in chase -- I shuddered, I'll be
frank. With all our systems suspect, (what's in the mainstream
news) the cops and courts and black shop sports should give us
ALL the blues.

The sun came up at last for me, and I was there to see, a *golden
dawn* forgotten by the ones that see it free. The simplest thing
for granted, a sip of water from the tap =85 where _you_ control
the water flow -- or smell a puppy on your lap. To walk outside
in _your_ back yard (they'd have to take it _from_ you) to hear
the trees, the frozen ground -- see squirrels run around you. A
cloudless sky, your vision flies =85 off _in_ the grand forever,
and you think it's right that this not stop -- that nothing hurts
you -- never! The cold air nips your nose, your breath is frozen
misted smoke, a chuckle made remembering something clever, or a
joke. Something to feel good about -- "No worries!", aussies say!
A promise in infinity to begin again, exciting days. Feeling good
with honor is that heaven here on Earth that we scrabble and
compete for from every squalid human birth.

All John has is the honor, as I'm sure he feels like shit. I
would be _beyond_ depression in their *disinfected* pit. The sun
not on my face, drugs and orders from nurse Ratched; I think I
really would go nuts; and then I _know_ I'd *really* catch it=85.

I hope I'm spared attention from the psychopathic lord that
engineered a prison for the gad fly Johnny Ford. Because
*noticed* by this psychopath, and plagued with his devises, you'd
let me rot his unjust clutches, ignore my unfair crisis. I'd
speak for you (it doesn't matter!), but you wouldn't lift a
finger; you'd let me go to sad confinement; you'd let me suffer
as I lingered.

See, it's not completely altruistic. You even do it for yourself.
I'd want someone to speak for me as I languish on your shelf. So
I'll bleed a bit for Johnny, cause I'd want it done for me. He
that stopped a *bullet* so's to drop his scales and _see_.


Lehmberg@snowhill.com

This is the last of this series -- until I hear something new; but every
apology will end with a reminder until John Ford IS restored.

If you told me a year ago that I would be stridently defending one
conservative republican, and _thinking_ about throwing support to another
(Ms. Barwood), I would almost certainly have been piqued, and irritated.
So you see, anything CAN happen <g>.

Some of you have told me that I detract from myself with this series.
Christ on crutches people, how could you so completely miss the point?
This is not about me; that I cheapen myself, indicate a similar madness,
or even supply the reader a reason not to read -- is simply not the
issue. This is not about me being read, or taken seriously. This is not
about me one whit or particle.  This is about you -- you the individual.
This is about _your_ freedom to think, learn, and love in a universe that
_you_ take responsibility for. This is about _your_ personal efficacy and
_your_ freedom to belong, constructively achieve, and ethically influence
a REAL world you build out of the chaos around you. This is about _your_
freedom to demand that the greatest are held to the same standards of
accountability that _you_ are. This is about a level playing field where
everyone pays their fair share in a search to discover that "truth that's
out there."

Early this century, Nazi Germany started to round up the trouble makers,
it started slow as the Nazis tested the ethical waters. They were
emboldened when an ignorant population CHOSE TO BELIEVE the skillful
propaganda, turned their eyes away, and let it slide. As a consequence,
the world slid as close to the lip of hell as it probably ever has=85

In a growing population there is a diminishing _respect_ to parse out to
each bothersome individual. That's the reason nothing is seriously done,
for all the terrifying warnings of educated people, about our well
recognized overpopulation problem. The man does not want to have to
respect the _individual_, the man wants to have a choice of individuals,
and manipulate those individuals with that choice! Individuals have to be
=85 the *right kind* of individuals =85

It's ok to be kooky new age, channeling the spirits of boojum, or
whatever blows the individual's spiritual dress up, just as long as you
don't ask real questions and then get STRIDENT as hell if you think
you're getting "shined on". Did our John Ford test the outer edge of the
un-elected Suffolk county envelope? Most likely, and showed us something
in the bargain. When you seriously start looking for the *real deal* the
'man' starts bringing out his hammers and his nails. There is no amount
of due process, or equality under the law that can save you from those
who command the houses where those laws are codified.  John Ford became a
distraction, a lawfully stinging gad fly in their ointment, and he's
being unjustly hammered for it. Lastly, there, but for the grace of God,
go _you_.

As post script, to qualify as a TRUE psychopath, one must be, by
definition, NOT crazy. Bet you thought it was the inverse =85consider the
implications of THAT! Who's the psychopath? Look in a mirror.

Restore John Ford.


--
Explore the Alien View?

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/

"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.








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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:19:45 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:06:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:14:14 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> I tend to think that any really advanced civilization "out there"
> will have long since abandoned radio as a means of communication,
> and will be using something we would describe as "telepathy".

Yes, but unless the telepathic information is embedded in an
electromagnetic carrier wave (which is entirely possible if you
had some kind of mind-machine implant), you're probably going to
need to invent some new physics.  Idunno tho, anyone with a
background in particle physics care to comment on whether any of
the other massless critters can be modulated (in theory at
least)?  Keep in mind that you can only squeeze (frequency/2)
worth of bandwidth out of a given carrier wave, and I'd assume
telepathy would use a fair chunk of bandwidth.

Don't get me wrong, I have a feeling there's a lot we don't
understand about the nature of physical reality.  But once you
start assuming the existence of new laws of physics to satisfy
your criteria, you might as well just call it magick. There's
nothing *wrong* with magick per se, but it does raise certain
problems.








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                      Re: Charles Halt to write a book

From: georgina@easynet.co.uk [Georgina Bruni]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:15:20 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:10:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Charles Halt to write a book

I've just heard that Col Charles Halt (Retired) is writing a
book about his experience at Bentwaters.  I have no more
information on this at the moment.

Georgina Bruni
Hot Gossip UK
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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:19:19 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:18:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:00:50 -0600 (CST)
>From: "George Fergus" <fergus@mail.ccrl.mot.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Science Fiction Writers [was: 'The Threat'...]

>>  From: AFSDialog <AFSDialog@aol.com> [Thomas Tulien]
>>  Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:24:22 EST
>>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>>  Subject:  Re: 'The Threat'...

>>  What is most curious to me, is the disdain most Sci Fi writers
>>  and affectionados have for the UFO phenomenon. Perhaps, somehow,
>>  finding ETI would threaten the demise of the genre?

>I don't know about their attitude toward UFO's in general, but
>presumably from having read numerous stories about all kinds of
>possible alien life forms, most of the science fiction fans I've
>asked view the likelihood of humanoid aliens such as the greys as
>extremely unlikely, and they tend to laugh out loud at the
>mention of the Santilli alien autopsy film.

>-George Fergus


George, Thomas and List,

I am a Science-Fiction fan myself.  I don't think it is a
perequisite to find the AA film laughable.

I guess the basis of Science-Fiction is the proliferation of
mankind throughout the galaxy.  Science-Fiction is a very
anthropocentric genre.  Whatever the odds, we always end on top,
unless there is some philosophical lesson to gather for our
advancement.  Truely superior beings are generally benevolent or
neutral species who seldom get involved with inferiors like us.

The Alien Invasion scenario is generally treated in a very
pessimistic manner.  Jack Williamson for one wrote a novel
("Darker then you think" in the sixties - I guess) about a
falsely benevolent alien invader.  His hero finally commits
suicide... Nothing to help the sales.

Science-Fiction is a microcosm of society in the way it deals
with interrelations (personal, national, international, racial).
It merely transposes societal relations in a context generally
oriented towards a projected future. This context is in fact what
seperates it from the standard novel (contemporary) or the
historical novel (past).  More imaginative worlds implying magic
are treated in another genre: Science & Fantasy.

Science-Fiction is not futurology.  Asimov and his hard-science
fellow writers never predicted the first Moon landing would be
presented on TV worldwide.  Nobody predicted the Internet.  We
have to give Frederic Pohl some credit though for imagining a
consumer-oriented future.

The assertion that most science-fiction writers do not support
the idea of UFOs remains to be verified.  If confirmed, it would
be symptomatic, I guess, of the reality of the phenomena.
Denying a concept is not necessarily denying the reality behind
the concept: it may just be the refusal of the implications of
this reality.  Aliens are in the garden of the Science-Fiction
authors.  The problem is, we are the indians.  That makes very
short novels and aborted sagas when it's the other side who, in
the end, will probably write history.

Can't imagine a world without Star Trek.

Serge Salvaille>









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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:41:15 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:14:09 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies

>From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies
>To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:10 -0500 (EST)

>Yes, but to my knowledge nobody's been able to demonstrate anti-
>gravity (yes I remember the hi-temp superconductor thing but I
>never heard of any reliable reproduction of the effect, and
>besides that affected gravity above the device, not within it).
>Does general relativity even permit it?  Then again I wouldn't
>know a tensor field if it bit me on the posterior, so I may be
>totally wrong.

William

I also wouldn't know a Tesla coil from a welding rod, but I have
a theory....

There are various types of field mechanics, in my view:

sub-atomic: the field holding the nucleus together. Probably has
a lot more to do with pure magnetism than we know

trans-atomic: basic electron-induced field, or eletro-magnetic
field

macro-atomic: a very low-frequency (long wave-length) energy that
I feel is a product of the above two, in a pure form.
This is gravitic: the forces in interplay between objects having
mass, ie: collections of sub-atomic and trans-atomic forces that
induce gravity.

Therefore, just as an electric current, being the movement of
electrons from atom to atom, induces a magnetic field, or force,
which then influence other magnetic or magnetized objects, there
must be a movement of some particle or wave that induces a
gravitic field or force, that acts on "gravitised" objects, or
objects with mass.

Now I don't know whether a gravitic field can be induced by
propagating a current or force within electrons and atomic
nucleii, but all things being equal (dynamic equilibrium and the
preservation of energy), it follows from what we "know" from
science that:

- To split an atom (destroy the nucleic field)doesn't require
much energy compared to the resulting energy release - to induce
a current or magnetic field takes about the same energy,
relatively speaking

- then therefore, it would take a prodiguous amount of energy to
induce a small gravitic field.

Now *thats* where the Unified Field Theory has to come in.

Any comments?

Jakes E. Louw
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144
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                     Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:16:52 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:36:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

>From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers
>To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:36:04 -0500 (EST)

>> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:11:52 +0000
>> From: Stephen Gamble <el82@dial.pipex.com>
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

>> I am suprised that Ray thinks you would need as many as fifteen
>> people to make a film like the AA footage.  Many very good films
>> are made with much smaller crews than that.  Apart from the
>> people you see on camera, you would need a cameraman, a lighting
>> man and continuity.  Assuming that the actors and the crew do any
>> props, scenery and model making you could at a minimum get away
>> with maybe six people.

>How many people were in the film?  If you assume the actors also
>do the continuity and lighting (wasn't the lighting static?  If
>so, someone can rig it before filming), that means you need only
>one cameraman and the actors.  And I've seen plenty of student
>films (and I mean films, not videos) done with a similar level of
>competence.  I realize the typical studio solution to making a
>film is to throw gobs of money and people at it, but dedication,
>skill, and plenty of time can make up for that.

>> And six people could be the cameraman, his best friend and maybe
>> a couple of close relatives of each - people that would not want
>> to talk for fear of dropping their buddies in it.

>Or for that matter a bunch of bored film and/or theatre geeks.
>Or a few wise-asses at a big studio.  Some people are capable of
>keeping secrets, especially if they think it's funny to keep
>everyone deluded.

Speculation . . . speculation . . . speculation.

The "experts" put the cost and expertise shown in this production
beyond the reach of the student hoaxer, but who knows if that was
just their own egos talking or a valid statement.

Nearly all SFX experts have stated that they could do a better
job, but none of the attempts to re-create the video have come
close (IMHO).  I'm not arguing that the Santilli "film" is real,
but rather that the attempts to recreate it all showed flaws that
would have quickly been pounced upon by both skeptics and
researchers.  Some of these attempts were not cheap and involved
a number of people, but none would have survived nearly as much
criticism as the Santilli "film" has.

There is a underlying assumption here that the "film" would be
easy to do by a few people, and if those few people had the exact
skills necessary, and the resources at their disposal, that may
be true.  But, IMHO, the "film" is more sophisticated than most
give it credit for.

Of course, opinions are like "mothers", in that everyone has one
(sorry, I wanted to keep it clean. . .<g>).

That Ray grabbed a number to use in his statement doesn't
surprise me, and since the point is a relatively minor one, I
would assume that the criticism has been levelled to make a
point.  The validity of the "film" is in Ray's court, as it
always has been.  Speculation and opinion are not proof, and
until actual "film" is made available we will continue to debate
this issue to death with little hope of resolution.

I believe there are more important issues to discuss, and until
some real "proof" comes along we don't need to beat this "dead
horse" any more.
(IMHO, of course.)

Let me note that I've just received a copy of the BEYOND ROSWELL
CD-ROM, and I'll be putting together a review that I hope to post
here soon.  At first glance it is well put together and should be
considered as a companion to the book, and not a replacement for
it.  There are a number of video clips of interviews and
statements by those involved in the book and it's material, and
some new information provided by Bob Shell that isn't included in
the book.  Information technology is changing, and I'm pleased
that this genre is moving in this direction.

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                        Re: 'True Fact' - Question...

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:27:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:43:19 -0500
Subject: Re: 'True Fact' - Question...


> From: StanleyMle <StanleyMle@aol.com> [Robert L. King]
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:45:49 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: QUESTION??

> I got this little tid-bit of information from a True Fact
> Newsletter. Does anyone know anything about this and is it really
> true?

> Hoo boy, whadda wierd planet.

> "If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does
> Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
> implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S.
> citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their
> vehicles?"

> ROB


Hello,

There is an old extended discussion on this which should be
in the archives.

Gary








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From: "Steven Kaeser" <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:39:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:25:54 -0500
Subject: Re: 'True Fact' - Question...

>From: StanleyMle <StanleyMle@aol.com> [Robert L. King]
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:45:49 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: QUESTION??

>I got this little tid-bit of information from a True Fact
>Newsletter. Does anyone know anything about this and is it really
>true?

>"If the government has no knowledge of aliens, then why does
>Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
>implemented on July 16, 1969, make it illegal for U.S.
>citizens to have any contact with extraterrestrials or their
>vehicles?"

>ROB


Fear that Billy Meier's friends might just decide to visit our
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                     Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:18:13 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:24:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

EBK, List, et al., and to Phil who wrote:


>From: Psdx1 <Psdx1@aol.com> [Phil Danielson]
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:26 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

<snip re: Tim Goods' book on Alien Bases>

>Having spent years working on underground alien
>bases, I can't wait for Tim's book on it.

>Phil Danielson
>psdx1@aol.com


Phil:

I was intrigued by your report:  Straightforward, succinct, and
loaded for bear.  But we need a little help to get started:

What do you mean by "underground alien bases?"

What first led you to believe that you were working on
underground alien bases?

Are you currently working on underground alien bases?  If so,
what work are you doing?

If you are not currently working on underground alien bases, what
work were you doing while working on underground alien bases?

If you are currently working on underground alien bases, is there
anyone else working with you?

If so, who are they, and what work are they doing?

If there are any others present, who are not working with you,
who are they and why are they present?

If you are not currently working on underground alien bases, why
aren't you?

Have you communicated your experiences regarding working on
underground alien bases to anyone not on this List?  And if so,
who?

List the locations of the underground alien bases on which you
are currently working or on which you have worked in the past, in
chronological order, dating from the most recent to the past.

Phil, its rare to find someone with firsthand knowledge who is
willing to share it.  The information you have is invaluable.
Thank you for taking the time to help out on the questions.

John White  mjawhite@digitaldune.net








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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:43:54 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

Some time ago, on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, chronicled in
the LA TImes, in which fighter planes 'skirmished' with a large
globe shaped (?) UFO over LA in, I believe, 1941 or 1942.  Jeff
was considering posting more info on his web site, but pointed
out this was quite an undertaking (the article was long, and
would have to be hand-typed).  So far, the article has not
appeared.

Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular photograph
accompanies the article.

Any help appreciated,

Brian






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                               Re: Body marks

From: Psdx1 <Psdx1@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:41 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:38:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Body marks


>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:36:00 -0500 (EST)
>From: William B Jennings <WILLIAM.B.JENNINGS@usa.dupont.com>
>Subject: Body marks
>To: updates@globalserve.net


>Anyway, to get to my question. Different
>types of body marks are what I'm interested
>in.  My girlfriend has 3, what appears to be
>punctures marks behind her right ear.

Regarding puncture marks behind the ear, I have never come across
anything like that in a straight line in the cases I've worked on
and read about.  I might suggest that if you think you've had
contact with them several times before to look for marks around
the knees and elbows, fingers, toes, scoop mark on the back,
white lines in any of these places that you were unaware of
before and identify the source of. Repetitive contacts will
result in more than one body mark.

Phil Danielson
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From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:02 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:59:05 -0500
Subject: Re:

> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:33:21 -0800

> >  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> >  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> >  Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:37:53 -0500 (EST)


< snip >

> EM effects and what could cause them are certainly under
> investigated in the sense that very little experimental science
> has been done on them. The Condon Committee worked with Ford and
> did some experiments with magnetism to try to stop car engines,
> but the experiments only managed to indicate that magnetism was
> not the cause of UFO related vehicle stoppages. But
> electrostatics, EMP, non-electron charged particles, strongly
> alternating magnetic fields (as used in demagnetization
> equipment) have not yet been examined, both due to the lack of
> researcher interest, the lack of funds to support such research
> (except, perhaps, in classified weapons development projects).

<snip>

Hi Mark,

As regards to EM effects on vehicles stopping car engines some
time ago I posted an extract from an Air Force document which
noted that device capable of doing just exactly that had become
an operational weapon.

Here is that post again, please update your files, its time to
stop saying that these effects first observed in the 1950s have
not been examined because obviously someone in the Air Force has
and moreover they have either replicated the method or
independently engineered the means of doing so.


Here is the post -

The UFO literature describes several different types of Unidentified
Flying Objects.  Some of these reports describe encounters with
devices which I would classify as structured craft of no known human
design, or structured alien craft (SAC).  The UFO literature also
describes some unusual effects of these SACs.

One of their interesting reported effects involves the performance
of   automotive vehicles in their presence.  Reports dating back as
far as the 1950s state that a vehicle could become inexplicably
immobile and could not be restarted in the presence of a SAC.  There
are also reported effects on electronic devices in the vehicle powered
by the battery, e.g. the car radio is temporarily non-functional.
Some of these reports suggest that this disabling effect is
selectively turned on and off by the SAC.

An interesting subtlety of the effect is that  those reports which
specify the type of internal combustion engine show that gasoline
powered engines and not diesel engines are effected.  At least one
report that I read mentions that a gasoline engine was disabled while
a diesel engine near the gasoline engine continued running in the
presence of the SAC.  Gasoline engines require an ignition system for
sustaining the combustion process after it is initiated, whereas a
diesel engine does not need a working ignition system inorder to keep
running once it has been started.

With this in mind it is interesting to note the following in a
document published by the:

United States Air Force Scientific Advisory Board.

The www location of this document, New World Vistas  Air and
Space Power for the 21st Century Summary Volume,  was distributed in
UFOupdates in February 1997.  The entire message sequence should be in
the archives.  The www location of the document for your convenience
is:

 http://web.fie.com/htdoc/fed/afr/sab/any/text/any/vistas.htm

 for those who wish to read the entire document it is about 227K long.
 The sections of the document relevant to this discussion are
 abstracted below from Chapter II Section 5.0

What is interesting to note is that the USAF now has a sublethal
weapon capability of the type called High Power RF (HPRF).  This is a
high power radiofrequency device which can be directed against
vehicles and electronic devices.  These HPRF weapons "can be effective
against vehicle ignition systems" for stopping and immobilizing
them.   The report does not note effectiveness against vehicles not
dependent of an ignition system, e.g. diesel engines.  Apparently
there is some effect on electronic devices although the type this
effect is not specified presumably it is disabling or destructive as
it is employed as a military weapon.


abstracted sections:

Air Force Scientific Advisory Board

New World Vistas  Air and Space Power for the 21st Century Summary
Volume

Chapter II Capabilities and Technologies

Section 5.0 Projection of Lethal and Sublethal Power

5.2.1

"Although all fixed targets can be addressed with common sensors, or
no sensors, and delivery methods may be very much the same for all,
the energy applied to the target may vary considerably with the target
type. If sublethal response were in order, High Power RF (HPRF)
weapons could be used against vehicles and electronic devices. The
deployment of HPRF by cruise missile is discussed in the Munitions
Panel Volume."

5.2.2

"It is often sufficient simply to stop moving targets. Unarmed
vehicles can be left immovable. An immobile armed vehicle becomes a
fixed target which can be destroyed with simple munitions. Of course,
stopping and destroying an aircraft are equivalent processes. HPRF
weapons can be effective against vehicle ignition systems and aircraft
control systems."







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From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:02 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:00:06 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies

> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:33:21 -0800

> >  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> >  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat'...
> >  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> >  Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:37:53 -0500 (EST)


< snip >

> EM effects and what could cause them are certainly under
> investigated in the sense that very little experimental science
> has been done on them. The Condon Committee worked with Ford and
> did some experiments with magnetism to try to stop car engines,
> but the experiments only managed to indicate that magnetism was
> not the cause of UFO related vehicle stoppages. But
> electrostatics, EMP, non-electron charged particles, strongly
> alternating magnetic fields (as used in demagnetization
> equipment) have not yet been examined, both due to the lack of
> researcher interest, the lack of funds to support such research
> (except, perhaps, in classified weapons development projects).

<snip>

Hi Mark,

As regards to EM effects on vehicles stopping car engines some
time ago I posted an extract from an Air Force document which
noted that device capable of doing just exactly that had become
an operational weapon.

Here is that post again, please update your files, its time to
stop saying that these effects first observed in the 1950s have
not been examined because obviously someone in the Air Force has
and moreover they have either replicated the method or
independently engineered the means of doing so.


Here is the post -

The UFO literature describes several different types of Unidentified
Flying Objects.  Some of these reports describe encounters with
devices which I would classify as structured craft of no known human
design, or structured alien craft (SAC).  The UFO literature also
describes some unusual effects of these SACs.

One of their interesting reported effects involves the performance
of   automotive vehicles in their presence.  Reports dating back as
far as the 1950s state that a vehicle could become inexplicably
immobile and could not be restarted in the presence of a SAC.  There
are also reported effects on electronic devices in the vehicle powered
by the battery, e.g. the car radio is temporarily non-functional.
Some of these reports suggest that this disabling effect is
selectively turned on and off by the SAC.

An interesting subtlety of the effect is that  those reports which
specify the type of internal combustion engine show that gasoline
powered engines and not diesel engines are effected.  At least one
report that I read mentions that a gasoline engine was disabled while
a diesel engine near the gasoline engine continued running in the
presence of the SAC.  Gasoline engines require an ignition system for
sustaining the combustion process after it is initiated, whereas a
diesel engine does not need a working ignition system inorder to keep
running once it has been started.

With this in mind it is interesting to note the following in a
document published by the:

United States Air Force Scientific Advisory Board.

The www location of this document, New World Vistas  Air and
Space Power for the 21st Century Summary Volume,  was distributed in
UFOupdates in February 1997.  The entire message sequence should be in
the archives.  The www location of the document for your convenience
is:

 http://web.fie.com/htdoc/fed/afr/sab/any/text/any/vistas.htm

 for those who wish to read the entire document it is about 227K long.
 The sections of the document relevant to this discussion are
 abstracted below from Chapter II Section 5.0

What is interesting to note is that the USAF now has a sublethal
weapon capability of the type called High Power RF (HPRF).  This is a
high power radiofrequency device which can be directed against
vehicles and electronic devices.  These HPRF weapons "can be effective
against vehicle ignition systems" for stopping and immobilizing
them.   The report does not note effectiveness against vehicles not
dependent of an ignition system, e.g. diesel engines.  Apparently
there is some effect on electronic devices although the type this
effect is not specified presumably it is disabling or destructive as
it is employed as a military weapon.


abstracted sections:

Air Force Scientific Advisory Board

New World Vistas  Air and Space Power for the 21st Century Summary
Volume

Chapter II Capabilities and Technologies

Section 5.0 Projection of Lethal and Sublethal Power

5.2.1

"Although all fixed targets can be addressed with common sensors, or
no sensors, and delivery methods may be very much the same for all,
the energy applied to the target may vary considerably with the target
type. If sublethal response were in order, High Power RF (HPRF)
weapons could be used against vehicles and electronic devices. The
deployment of HPRF by cruise missile is discussed in the Munitions
Panel Volume."

5.2.2

"It is often sufficient simply to stop moving targets. Unarmed
vehicles can be left immovable. An immobile armed vehicle becomes a
fixed target which can be destroyed with simple munitions. Of course,
stopping and destroying an aircraft are equivalent processes. HPRF
weapons can be effective against vehicle ignition systems and aircraft
control systems."







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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:14:27 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:54:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers
> To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)


> > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:14:14 -0500
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> > I tend to think that any really advanced civilization "out there"
> > will have long since abandoned radio as a means of communication,
> > and will be using something we would describe as "telepathy".

> Yes, but unless the telepathic information is embedded in an
> electromagnetic carrier wave (which is entirely possible if you
> had some kind of mind-machine implant), you're probably going to
> need to invent some new physics.

Telepathic communications and clairvoyance don't involve EM
apparently. SRI did experiments putting sender/receivers or
remote viewers into faraday cages and it didn't effect the
positive outcome of the experiments.

> Idunno tho, anyone with a
> background in particle physics care to comment on whether any of
> the other massless critters can be modulated (in theory at
> least)?  Keep in mind that you can only squeeze (frequency/2)
> worth of bandwidth out of a given carrier wave, and I'd assume
> telepathy would use a fair chunk of bandwidth.

Interestingly, many of the psi researchers ARE physicists. They
don't know how to explain psi, but they have demonstrated it's
validity beyond a shadow of a doubt. I especially recommend Dean
Radin's book "The Conscious Universe."

> Don't get me wrong, I have a feeling there's a lot we don't
> understand about the nature of physical reality.  But once you
> start assuming the existence of new laws of physics to satisfy
> your criteria, you might as well just call it magick. There's
> nothing *wrong* with magick per se, but it does raise certain
> problems.

The existence of psi DOES require new physics.  Of course the old
physicists may have a problem with that...;-)

--

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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:57:27 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:24:19 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:41:15 +0200
> From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies

> There are various types of field mechanics, in my view:

> sub-atomic: the field holding the nucleus together. Probably has
> a lot more to do with pure magnetism than we know

No, it has to do with the strong nuclear force, which "peters out"
after an extremely short distance (an order of magnitude or so
above the radius of a proton, if I remember correctly).  Exactly
*why* the strong nuclear force seems incapable of operating over
any distances was unknown (when I was into this stuff, which was
about ten years ago).

> trans-atomic: basic electron-induced field, or eletro-magnetic
> field

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'trans-atomic' -- if you mean
operating within an atom, yes there is an electrostatic attraction
between the nucleus and electrons (and quantization of electron
shells and the exclusion principle to keep them in place) ... but
I'm not quite sure where magnetism comes into play, if at all.

> macro-atomic: a very low-frequency (long wave-length) energy that
> I feel is a product of the above two, in a pure form.
> This is gravitic: the forces in interplay between objects having
> mass, ie: collections of sub-atomic and trans-atomic forces that
> induce gravity.

Um, no offense, but I think you need to learn some physics.  Yes,
at an appropriate temperature/energy level the forces do unify (at
least that's the theory), but gravity is probably the *last* one
to give up the ghost, so to speak, and the kind of energy levels
we're talking about are a few trillionths of a second (or less)
after the big bang.  Again, let me point out it's been a while
since I was interested in quantum physics, but the basic idea is
that as you increase the temperature/energy level the forces
start to unify, with EM+weak first (electroweak), then strong,
then finally gravity.  I don't know if anyone's even come up with
a Grand Unified Theory (electroweak+strong) let alone the Holy
Grail of this sort of thing, the "Theory of Everything".

Admittedly gravity is kinda different than the other forces, but
it is a separate force, not a product of two or more other ones.

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                                     Re:

From: natural.state@erols.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:05 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re:


> From: Psdx1 <Psdx1@aol.com> [Phil Danielson]
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:26 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

> >From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
> >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:10:55 +0000
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re:Tim Good on Alien Bases

> >According to Tim Good�s literary agent,
> >Andrew Lownie, Tim�s next book 'Alien
> >Base' which is due to be published early this
> >year, is the best he�s ever done.

> Having spent years working on underground alien
> bases, I can't wait for Tim's book on it.

> Phil Danielson
> psdx1@aol.com


Phil, we're all ears!!!!!  (Toss - you've got the ball)

Melanie








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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:20:11 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:41:51 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:10 -0500 (EST)


(snip on suggestion that gravity propulsion is likely candidate)

>  Yes, but to my knowledge nobody's been able to demonstrate anti-
>  gravity (yes I remember the hi-temp superconductor thing but I
>  never heard of any reliable reproduction of the effect, and
>  besides that affected gravity above the device, not within it).
>  Does general relativity even permit it?  Then again I wouldn't
>  know a tensor field if it bit me on the posterior, so I may be
>  totally wrong.

Relativity would not permit anti-gravity, since in relativity,
gravity is the curvature of space. Quantum gravity probably
would, since a graviton could be expected to have an
anti-particle.

Still, anti-gravity isn't necessarily the way to go. A strong
gravity force from above an object in the local gravity field
would be able to generate the same effect as anti-gravity on that
object.

There is, at this point, a noticeable number of cases of "gravity
anomalies" in the presence of UFOs. As I recall, there is one
case where an object flew over a truck and the truck lifted and
was turned over; another where a witness was walking his horse,
and as the object passed over, the horse lifted into the air and
then dropped. A few other cases, such a a disk hovering above the
ocean with the water domed up beneath it, and some of the odd
holes left behind as ground traces may also be indicative.

One thing's for sure, though - ejection of the vast majority of
particles in some sort of advanced reaction drive is not an
option, since most of them generate incredible amounts of
radiation or heat when produced in volumes sufficient to lift
objects in the tens of tons range.

Not to mention that 20-100 gravity accelerations without some
sort of local gravity field would mean that UFO occupants would
have to scrape themselves off the deck with a spatula after a
typical UFO departure.

------
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http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront/
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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:15:52 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:52:03 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


>From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
>To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

> .. on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
> referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, chronicled in
> the LA TImes, in which fighter planes 'skirmished' with a large
> globe shaped (?) UFO over LA in, I believe, 1941 or 1942.  Jeff
> was considering posting more info on his web site, but pointed
> out this was quite an undertaking (the article was long, and
> would have to be hand-typed).  So far, the article has not
> appeared.

> Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
> reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
> originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular
> photograph accompanies the article.

> Any help appreciated,
> Brian

Brian:

This must be the well known one sided-battle, actually over
Culver City, of 25 FEBR 1942. Reportedly, 1430 Anti-Aircraft
shells (and who knows what else) were fired at a huge silent
round object to no effect. Shell debris fell widely causing some
damage and possibly injuries as well. The craft departed at
18,000 MPH in some reports. One source is Timothy Good's book
ABOVE TOP SECRET, on page 15, a detailed account.

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                             Return to DEFCON 1

From: ParadigmRG <ParadigmRG@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:51:20 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:07:05 -0500
Subject: Return to DEFCON 1

To the List,

While inside phone or e-mail info for the White House staff are always
welcome, the immediate need for such has now passed.

Some good contact info was received and utilized.

Thanks,

Steve Bassett







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                     Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

From: natural.state@erols.com [Melanie Mecca]
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:05 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:09:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases


> From: Psdx1 <Psdx1@aol.com> [Phil Danielson]
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:26 EST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Books - Tim Good on Alien Bases

> >From: georgina@easynet.co.uk
> >Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:10:55 +0000
> >To: updates@globalserve.net
> >Subject: Re:Tim Good on Alien Bases

> >According to Tim Good�s literary agent,
> >Andrew Lownie, Tim�s next book 'Alien
> >Base' which is due to be published early this
> >year, is the best he�s ever done.

> Having spent years working on underground alien
> bases, I can't wait for Tim's book on it.

> Phil Danielson
> psdx1@aol.com


Phil, we're all ears!!!!!  (Toss - you've got the ball)

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:38:34 +0100 (MET)
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:13:39 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


>From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
>To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

>Some time ago, on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
>referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, chronicled in
>the LA TImes, in which fighter planes 'skirmished' with a large
>globe shaped (?) UFO over LA in, I believe, 1941 or 1942.  Jeff
>was considering posting more info on his web site, but pointed
>out this was quite an undertaking (the article was long, and
>would have to be hand-typed).  So far, the article has not
>appeared.

>Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
>reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
>originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular photograph
>accompanies the article.


Hi Brian,

Timothy Good's book 'Beyond Top Secret' opens with this episode.

            __________________________________________
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                          CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: Balsa

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:45:05 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:26:28 -0500
Subject: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS: Balsa

ROSWELL UPDATE:
SUMMARY & CONCLUSION
By Robert A. Galganski

Roswell skeptics suggest that the unusual thin-strut fragments
found on the Foster ranch debris-field were merely
casein-glue-treated balsa-wood wreckage from Project Mogul Flight
4. This claim - typical of the broad and often vague
pontification that pervades ufology - is unsupported by any
substantive evidence.

In this case, skeptics could have easily tested the "glue
hypothesis" as I call it - but didn't. Perhaps their usual
knee-jerk response - denial - to a potentially unsettling
alternate explanation prevented them from even considering a
scientific approach. I did.

I performed a series of straightforward and simple tests that
provided unambiguous empirical data. The results led to an
inescapable conclusion: The struts, which reportedly exhibited
extraordinary physical properties atypical of late l940s
technology, could NOT have been made from balsa wood. This means
that they could not have been components from a Mogul balloon
train, which leaves no other conventional explanations  that
have not already been eliminated.

As such, an extraterrestrial origin for the strut; and other
debris-field material must still be considered a viable
possibility.

(See entire paper presented in the most recent issue of the IUR,
Vol. 22, No.4)





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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:26:28 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:19:58 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

> From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
> To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

> Some time ago, on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
> referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, ... So far, the
> article has not appeared.

It's up on Jeff's site now.  http://www.sightings.com

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                              UFOs and the DJIA

From: "pcs" <pcstuart@pathcom.com> [Paul Stuart]
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:44:33 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:00:10 -0500
Subject: UFOs and the DJIA

List,

A few months ago, there was a posting of a humourous story about
what would happen to the stock markets in the event of ET
visitations. I think it was written by a New York Times? writer.


I can't find the posting anywhere in the archives.  Does anyone
remember and can point me in the right direction?

Many thanks.

Paul Stuart








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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:38:36 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:07:45 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


> From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
> To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

> Some time ago, on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
> referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, chronicled in
> the LA TImes, in which fighter planes 'skirmished' with a large
> globe shaped (?) UFO over LA in, I believe, 1941 or 1942.  Jeff
> was considering posting more info on his web site, but pointed
> out this was quite an undertaking (the article was long, and
> would have to be hand-typed).  So far, the article has not
> appeared.

> Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
> reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
> originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular photograph
> accompanies the article.

> Any help appreciated,

> Brian

Hi Brian,

Pages 15-17 of Timothy Goods book Above Top Secret describe what
has been called the Los Angeles Air Raid February 25, 1942.

Interesting aspects of this incident are:

1) other than George Marshall's vague memo to my knowledge no
other information on this incident has been declassified.

2) the picture is quite interesting because what is outlined in
the searchlight beams is not at globed shaped UFO but a large
triangular shaped object judging from the picture in the book on
pp 193.

3) The LA Times has a research service which will obtain the
original articles for a research fee.  Contact them via their web
site.

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: RGates8254@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:07:17 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

In a message dated 98-01-29 23:23:54 EST, you write:

>  From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
>  To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles
>  Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:15:52 -0800


>  >From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
>  >To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  >Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
>  >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

>  > .. on his 'Sightings on the Radio" show, Jeff Rense
>  > referred to the so-called Battle of Los Angeles, chronicled in
>  > the LA TImes, in which fighter planes 'skirmished' with a large
>  > globe shaped (?) UFO over LA in, I believe, 1941 or 1942.  Jeff
>  > was considering posting more info on his web site, but pointed
>  > out this was quite an undertaking (the article was long, and
>  > would have to be hand-typed).  So far, the article has not
>  > appeared.

>  > Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
>  > reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
>  > originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular
>  > photograph accompanies the article.

>  > Any help appreciated,
>  > Brian

>  Brian:

>  This must be the well known one sided-battle, actually over
>  Culver City, of 25 FEBR 1942. Reportedly, 1430 Anti-Aircraft
>  shells (and who knows what else) were fired at a huge silent
>  round object to no effect. Shell debris fell widely causing some
>  damage and possibly injuries as well. The craft departed at
>  18,000 MPH in some reports. One source is Timothy Good's book
>  ABOVE TOP SECRET, on page 15, a detailed account.

>  - Larry Hatch.

It was reported years ago that it was these stories that formed
the fictional basis of Spielbergs's comedy in 1980 titled 1941.

The movie spoofed the 1941 war nerves in LA, complete with a
formation of "Japanese" fighters being chased all over the
coast.

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:40:23 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:17:14 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

 Check this story out! This is probably the most unreported mass sighting
of all time. "The Battle Of LA"   http://www.sightings.com

While your there check out this excellent website!









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                 Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:19:01 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:49:19 -0500
Subject: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

Larry Hatch is having some difficulty posting. Don't feel alone
Larry, I am, too.

--
Jan Aldrich
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http://www.iufog.org/project1947/

Subject: More boring DAY/NIGHT *U* findings.
Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 02:56 AM

to: List Members
from: Larry Hatch
re: *U* Database findings.

I recently sent in some findings about day versus night UFO
sightings from the *U* UFO Database. Since then, I refined the
statistical routine to subdivide the raw data by decades.

The *U* Database has 16,575 sightings listed as of 28 JAN'98.
Of these, 12,121 have 'known' time-of-day (plus or minus one hour
to allow for Daylight Savings time and time-zone anomalies.)

'DAY' is defined as the hours 1000-1600hrs. 'NIGHT' is defined as
2200-0400hrs. These strict 6-hour periods are broad daylight, or
dark of night, for most of the world, the year around. Sightings
for all other hours are considered 'FRINGE', i.e. light or dark,
dawn or dusk depending on latitude and season.

Here's the raw data from the new routine:

Date Period:       TOTAL       DAY       NIGHT   FRINGE

ALL YEARS          12121      1464        4223     6434
pre -1960           3353       709         869     1775
1960 onward         8718       747        3340     4631

These figures are now subdivided as follows:

pre - 1900            50         8          14       28
1900s    . . . .      90         9          35       46
1910s    . . . .      23         2           9       12
1920s    . . . .      13         5           3        5
1930s    . . . .      21         4           5       12
1940s    . . . .     576        180        100      296
1950s    . . . .    2630        509        717     1404
1960s    . . . .    2036        205        768     1063
1970s    . . . .    3193        249       1267     1677
1980s    . . . .    1270         97        459      714
1990s    . . . .    2219        196        846     1177

Note  the 1940s  when 'broad daylight' sightings outnumbered
dark-of-night by a 9 to 5 ratio.

I have no ready explanation for the steady drop in the ratio of
'day' sightings since 1940, and invite discussion.

-  Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>







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                  PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:50:53 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:23:56 -0500
Subject: PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

I am experiencing some computer difficults.  Everytime
I start a message my computer freezes up.  Here is a condensed
version of what I have been trying to send.

Here are some points to consider.  Other than Loren Gross
I don't know many others who have considered these angles
except perhaps Dr. Leon Davidson in sort of a muddleheaded way.
It is an absolute shame that aviation and defense historians
will not touch UFOs with a ten foot pole.

The obvious implications of UFOs for Air Defenes were not lost on
some newspaper columnists, the Alsop brothers during the 1947
wave did a column on this.

About the time Project Sign was being authorized there was an
articles in the New York Times connecting Air Defense with UFOs.
Basically, it urged that the Aircraft Warning Service's Ground
Observer Corps be reactivated.

In the late 1940s and early 1950s there were big debate about
military strategy.  It involves how billions or dollars (much
more money than in present terms--which could probably be a
trillion in current dollars was at stake.)

It involved fission bombs, fussion bombs, large standing armies,
and big budget air defense.  Many of the important players are
also at one time or another involved in UFOs.

The Air Force was basically on the side of strong strategic forces
and small defense forces.  However, having the air defense mission,
meant also there was within the Air Force an advocacy for strong air
defense with the possibility of huge contracts, expanded
organizations and lots of promotions.  So the pot is boiling, and
then throw in UFOs.

The Commanding General of the Air Defense Command (ADC) was told by
General Stamford that AFL 200-5 was put into effect to get
messages on possible hostile contact to  ADC faster.  In the
summer of 1952 Ruppelt wrote that the AFL 200-5 was a failure
from his stand point.  He was not getting back up information,
reports were being mishandled, etc.

Well, who cares if a reserve captain with no clout and no budget
to speak of is unhappy.

Ruppelt proposed a huge expansion in Project Blue Book with a large
budget and involving contractors.  (And probably with a Major Ruppelt
to head it.)  This may be why Ruppelt was susceptibly to the scuttle
butt about the Robertson Panel's recommendation to expand the UFO
effort. (Anyone who has been around a military organization when
an important decision is made will hear the most outrageous rumors
back and forth prior to the actual decision being announced.)

It has always bothered me that Alvarez during the Robertson Panel
discussions found no radar cases that interested him.

Richard Hall and I had a fiery argument concerning the Robertson
Panel.  Hall's contention was that the Robertson Panel was
composed of skeptics that thought UFOs were a waste of time.  My
contention was that because of a defect in Project Blue Book
from the beginning and Ruppelt's selection of cases, the panel
did not receive a good sample of puzzling cases.  The Blue Book
defect involved Blue Book's treatment of close encourter cases--
pitching them in the trash.  However, there was a good same
sample of such cases in Project Blue Book's files and in the USAF
clipping collection.  There were also other such cases reported to
official channel which should have been available to the CIA who
monitored all intelligence reports and which might have been
available to Blue Book.

The Robertson Panel commented that most of the cases they saw
were of short duration and viewed at a great distance.  The
exception was the Florida scotmaster case which had big credibility
problems.

The Panel said that Robertson, Alvarez, and Griggs had looked into
"foo-fighters."  It was felt that they might represent an electric
phenomenon.  Now if they were an electrical phenomenon, they were
natural, and they did not end with the World War II.

Dah?!  Huh?  Hello!  These are scientists?  They are not at all
curious about such a phenomenon.  They don't even recommend the
funding of a small study so that some colleagues could get some
work and funding.  Why not?  Do they have bigger fish to fry?

Some points to consider.  Nothing is proven.  We need more
information about Project Lincoln and Air Defense.

Once the Air Defense structure is in place.  Air Defense would have
an interest in minimizing UFO accounts.  UFOs become "politcally
incorrect."  "If it flies, it dies," is meaningless if you admit
that you have things running around that you can't explain.  The
public looses confidence in the Air Defense and the military in
general.

Best regards,

--
Jan Aldrich
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              NASA News: 40th Anniversary of 1st U.S. Satellite

From: NASANews@hq.nasa.gov
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:40:06 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:57:17 -0500
Subject: NASA News: 40th Anniversary of 1st U.S. Satellite

Douglas Isbell
Headquarters, Washington DC                 January 28, 1998
(Phone: 202/358-1753)

Mary Beth Murrill
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
(Phone: 818/354-6478)

RELEASE: 98-15

SPACE PIONEERS RECALL FIRST U.S. SATELLITE LAUNCH UPON 4OTH ANNIVERSARY

     Forty years ago this week, a team of scientists and
engineers successfully launched Explorer 1, the first U.S.
satellite to orbit the Earth.  This historic accomplishment
marked the nation's debut in the Cold War-era space race and
set the stage for the establishment of the civilian space
agency that would become NASA.

     NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, CA,
was still operated as a research laboratory for the U.S. Army
when it was selected in November 1957 to develop the first
U.S. satellite, including its science package, its
communications system, and the high-speed upper stages for
the Army's Redstone rocket that would guide the tiny,
20-pound Explorer 1 into the great unknown.  JPL and the Army
completed the assignment and successfully launched the
satellite in less than three months.  JPL and the Army
Ballistic Missile Agency, based in Huntsville, AL, joined in
firing the satellite toward space from the missile test
center at Cape Canaveral, FL, on Jan. 31, 1958.

     The scientific experiment onboard, a cosmic ray detector
built by Dr. James Van Allen of the University of Iowa, soon
returned one of the most important findings of the space
program: the discovery of what are now known as the Van Allen
Radiation Belts around the Earth.  Explorer 1 went on to
operate for three months.

     Following the Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik on Oct.
4, 1957, "there was a lot of pressure to get a satellite in
orbit as quickly as possible," said Dr. William Pickering,
then JPL's director and the orchestrator of the Explorer 1
effort at JPL.

     The intensive effort was accomplished by a team of
experts from U.S. academia and the military, along with top
World War II German rocket scientists such as

     Dr. Wernher von Braun, who emigrated to the United
States in the post-war years to help lead the development of
American rocket capabilities.  A globally linked
telecommunications system developed by JPL tracked Explorer 1
and received its scientific data as it circled Earth.
Amateur radio operators around the world were invited to
listen in on Explorer 1's radio communications, including one
key amateur radio shack operated largely by JPL ham radio
operators at the Los Angeles County Sheriff's substation in
Temple City, near JPL.

     The most difficult technical challenge, said Pickering,
"was getting the three rocket stages to work consistently, to
get it all to go in the right direction, with no guidance
system." Considering the telecommunications and computing
capability of the Explorer 1 era versus that available for
last summer's Mars Pathfinder mission, Pickering said, "it's
astonishing to think what has happened over 40 years."

     Van Allen, still an active planetary and space physics
researcher, recalled that, the morning after the historic
Explorer 1 launch, "a big press conference had been called at
the Great Hall of the National Academy of Sciences in
Washington, DC, and although it was 1:30 in the morning,
there was still a huge crowd of reporters waiting around."

     Donna Shirley, Mars Exploration program manager at JPL,
was in high school when the news hit that Explorer 1 had been
launched.  "It was a terrific emotional moment," she
recalled.  "It seemed like a scary thing that the Soviet
Union was so powerful that they could launch Sputnik.  When
Explorer went up, it was, 'Rah, rah, our team!'" she said.
"It seemed to be framed in 'us versus them' rather than
focused on the real technical and scientific achievement. But
the dawn of the Space Age affected my life a lot.

     "I don't think the 'right stuff' to work in the space
program has really changed all that much" since the days of
Explorer 1, said Shirley. "You don't have cigar-smoking guys
with slide rules anymore, but I think the 'right stuff' is
still the same: dedication and competence."

     In late 1958, JPL was reassigned from the U.S. Army to
NASA when the civilian space agency was created, and has
helped lead the world's exploration of space with robotic
spacecraft since then. Operated as a division of the
California Institute of Technology, JPL has sent spacecraft
to all of the known planets except Pluto, and this year will
launch major astronomy and planetary exploration missions to
comets, asteroids and Mars, along with many Earth-observing
efforts.

     As the size of NASA's space missions takes advantage of
miniaturized electronics to shrink to fit the new "faster,
better, cheaper" mold, some complete space science
instrument packages are about the size of that on tiny
Explorer 1, Shirley said.

     "Miniaturization is allowing us to shrink down the
brains of our spacecraft but still allow us to do more with
them than we used to.  The challenge now is to shrink the
rest of the spacecraft down."

     Considering the future of space science, Van Allen
observed that "there is no shortage of great ideas on what
we'd like to do.  'Faster, better, cheaper' is NASA's mantra,
and the recent successful launch of the Lunar Prospector
spacecraft is the best example of that.  But the Hubble Space
Telescope is a good example of big projects that will
continue to be conducted. I think we have a very bright
future in space science in all areas.  There is good public
support," he said.  "There is virtually no limit to what can
be investigated in interplanetary science and astronomy."

                        -end-

NOTE TO EDITORS:  Photos are available to news media to
illustrate this story by calling the Headquarters Audio
Imaging Branch at 202/358-1900. Photo numbers are:

97-HC-482
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                                 Harry Webb?

From: Maurizio Verga <mverga@wolf.it>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:40:46 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:23:17 -0500
Subject: Harry Webb?

Dear Friends,

After my search about the UFO/Nazi myth I came across with an
unreferenced quotation of a given Harry Webb, seemingly a US
ufologist, who claimed in 1950 the "flying saucers" were one of
the wonder weapons developed by Nazi scientists escaped at the
end of the war to underground bases in Artarctica and in the
middle of the Gran Chaco jungle (I don't know where it is,
sorry!). A few years later both scientists and SS troops guarding
the bases flew to the hidden face of the Moon, in permanent bases
(!!!!).

Do anyone know anything about such a Harry Webb ? Never heard
about his claims and the original source(s) reporting them ? Do
you know any other story of such a kind from the same period ?

Please get in touch with me directly to my e-mail address:
mauverga@ufo.it or mauverga@wolf.it

Greetings,

Maurizio Verga
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                               Help needed...

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:45:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:21:33 -0500
Subject: Help needed...

Hi everyone,

Some time ago and I am pretty sure it was on this list
there was a post about NASA having trouble getting
R&D funding for an engine for their proposed space plane.

As I recall it, the Air Force said something like "No problem,
you can use ours."  This blew everybody at NASA away because
it revealed that the Air Force already had such an engine,
and maybe even such a plane.

I can't find that exchange now, and I wonder if anyone
here recalls it or saved it.

Thanks in advance.

Bob










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                             CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:36:28 -0500
Subject: CIA's 'UFO Report'?


Dear colleagues,

Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

All the best,

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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:41:39 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:31:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:19:01 -0800
>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
>Subject: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings.
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Larry Hatch is having some difficulty posting. Don't feel alone
>Larry, I am, too.

>--
>Jan Aldrich
>Project 1947
>http://www.iufog.org/project1947/

>Subject: More boring DAY/NIGHT *U* findings.
>Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 02:56 AM

>to: List Members
>from: Larry Hatch
>re: *U* Database findings.

>I recently sent in some findings about day versus night UFO
>sightings from the *U* UFO Database. Since then, I refined the
>statistical routine to subdivide the raw data by decades.

>The *U* Database has 16,575 sightings listed as of 28 JAN'98.
>Of these, 12,121 have 'known' time-of-day (plus or minus one hour
>to allow for Daylight Savings time and time-zone anomalies.)

>'DAY' is defined as the hours 1000-1600hrs. 'NIGHT' is defined as
>2200-0400hrs. These strict 6-hour periods are broad daylight, or
>dark of night, for most of the world, the year around. Sightings
>for all other hours are considered 'FRINGE', i.e. light or dark,
>dawn or dusk depending on latitude and season.

>Here's the raw data from the new routine:

>Date Period:       TOTAL       DAY       NIGHT   FRINGE

>ALL YEARS          12121      1464        4223     6434
>pre -1960           3353       709         869     1775
>1960 onward         8718       747        3340     4631

>These figures are now subdivided as follows:

>pre - 1900            50         8          14       28
>1900s    . . . .      90         9          35       46
>1910s    . . . .      23         2           9       12
>1920s    . . . .      13         5           3        5
>1930s    . . . .      21         4           5       12
>1940s    . . . .     576        180        100      296
>1950s    . . . .    2630        509        717     1404
>1960s    . . . .    2036        205        768     1063
>1970s    . . . .    3193        249       1267     1677
>1980s    . . . .    1270         97        459      714
>1990s    . . . .    2219        196        846     1177

>Note  the 1940s  when 'broad daylight' sightings outnumbered
>dark-of-night by a 9 to 5 ratio.

>I have no ready explanation for the steady drop in the ratio of
>'day' sightings since 1940, and invite discussion.

>-  Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>

Larry,

I would expect night sightings to outnumber day sightings by
a large margin.  First, because UFOs are easier to see at
night, and secondly because misidentifications would be much
more common at night.

Bob




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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:54 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:47:26 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

>  From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
>  To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
>  Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

>  Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
>  reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
>  originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular photograph
>  accompanies the article.

There is an account and a photo (which is rather hard to
interpret) in Peter Brookesmith's "UFO: The Complete Sightings"
from Barnes and Noble.

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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:51:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings


>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:19:01 -0800
>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
>Subject: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings.
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

--
>TO::Jan Aldrich
>Project 1947
>http://www.iufog.org/project1947/

>Subject: More boring DAY/NIGHT *U* findings.
>Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 02:56 AM

>to: List Members
>from: Larry Hatch
>re: *U* Database findings.

>I recently sent in some findings about day versus night UFO
>sightings from the *U* UFO Database. Since then, I refined the
>statistical routine to subdivide the raw data by decades.

>The *U* Database has 16,575 sightings listed as of 28 JAN'98.
>Of these, 12,121 have 'known' time-of-day (plus or minus one hour
t>o allow for Daylight Savings time and time-zone anomalies.)

<snipped>

>Note  the 1940s  when 'broad daylight' sightings outnumbered
>dark-of-night by a 9 to 5 ratio.

>I have no ready explanation for the steady drop in the ratio of
>'day' sightings since 1940, and invite discussion.


I realize your cases are those most likely to be unexplained,
i.e. you have not put ALL sightings into your data base.
HOWever, I woudl still like to see this with a selection
inlcluded, such as the upper half of the strangeness/credibility
index.   Also, you might see if the sightings fall off in the
latter half of the night, as you define it (as suggested by
Vallee years ago).

REASONS FOR MORE NIGHT SIGHTINGS:
1) people aren't as likely to look up in the day as at night

2) at night, these sightings are mostly night lights; moving
   lights against a dark background catch the attention more
   easily than distant objects moving through the bright sky
   background

3) True UFOS (TRUFOS) fly around mostly at night

4) (for the skeptics) people are more likely to make
   observational errors at night

5) reasons I haven't thought of



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                Re: PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:02:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:59:11 -0500
Subject: Re: PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs


>Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:50:53 -0800
>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
>Subject: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>The obvious implications of UFOs for Air Defenes were not lost on
>some newspaper columnists, the Alsop brothers during the 1947
>wave did a column on this.

>About the time Project Sign was being authorized there was an
>articles in the New York Times connecting Air Defense with UFOs.
>Basically, it urged that the Aircraft Warning Service's Ground
>Observer Corps be reactivated.

<snip>

>It has always bothered me that Alvarez during the Robertson Panel
>discussions found no radar cases that interested him.

<snip>

>Duh?!  Huh?  Hello!  These are scientists?  They are not at all
>curious about such a phenomenon.  They don't even recommend the
>funding of a small study so that some colleagues could get some
>work and funding.  Why not?  Do they have bigger fish to fry?

>Some points to consider.  Nothing is proven.  We need more
>information about Project Lincoln and Air Defense.

>Once the Air Defense structure is in place. Air Defense would have
>an interest in minimizing UFO accounts. UFOs become "politcally
>incorrect." "If it flies, it dies," is meaningless if you admit
>that you have things running around that you can't explain.  The
>public looses confidence in the Air Defense and the military in
>general.


I guess your point here is that it shoudl have bearn (i.e., it
was) obvious to the AF that UFOs played a role in Air Defense,
even if UFOs turned out to be natural electric phenomena, so the
Robertson Panel should have recommended an effort to understand
these phenomena at least from the scientific point of view if not
from the pont of view of needing to be able to identify things
immediately to separate out the "natural phenomena" from th "bad
boys" coming over the horizon from the north.

I, too, think that th Robertson Panel people did not get the best
evidence or the best presentation to look at.  I think the
presenters took an apologetic attitude for seeming to seriously
consider the sightings which obviously could not be natural
phenomena (observations and film/photos of structured objects).
However, your suggestion that there was a hidden agenda
pressureing the Panel to conclude there was nothing to these
sightings is a good one.    However, as evidence of just poor
preparation on th aprt of the Blue book staff I am reminded of
Ruppelts recitation of the Newhouse film case as presented to the
Robertson panel.   They showed the film several times and the
Navy presented the results of its 1,000 hours of work on it....
and then the panel said "probably birds." HOwever, Ruppelt points
out that the panel was not told Newhouse's verbal testimony.
The reason that the panel was not told Newhouse's testimony is
that Ruppelt didn't know what that was !   Ruppelt says several
years later he met Newhouse and Newhouse described his wife
calling his attention to a group of cuircular objects flying
through the sky.   He immediately stopped the car but it took
several minutes fr him to get his camera going and by that time
the objects were farther away (a repeat of th Great Falls,
Montana/Marianna film situation). Ruppelt asked "How did you know
they were round?"  Newhouse answered "I saw them ...they were a
lot closer,"  or words to that effect.   Then Ruppelt points out
in his book that this information was not known to Blue
Book/Ruppelt at the time of the Newhouse investigation/ analysis
because Ruppelt had not asked the local field investigator to ask
Newhouse about his visual sighting..  Ruppelt jusified this by
saying..."why ask what something looks like when you've got a
movie of it.."   or words to that effect.

One can only speculate what th RobertsonPanel would have done
with the film had Dewey Fournet (the presenter?) or Ruppelt been
able to recite the testimony of Newhouse and his wife BEFORE
showing the film  (better yet, get Newhouse there; he was, after
all, an official Navy photographer).

I suspect the truth is a combination of the above: there WAS an
agenda to minimize UFO sightings, but also there were slip-ups in
presenting th evidence to the scientists.

On another matter, regarding the Air defense Command and radar:
I have been trying to locate records related to the radar
inspired national alert on December 6, 1950 at about 10:30 AM
when radar picked up a number of objects approaching the
northeastern United States.  I have a chapter on this in my book
THE UFO-FBI CONNECTION because two days later, according to a
message found in the FBI file, the counter-intelligence corps was
put on immediate high alert for any information related to flying
saucers (Dec. 8). There appear to be NO RECORDS OF THIS EVENT in
the files of the Secretary of Defense, other than one document
which provides a few details that could only have come from other
documents .

Furthermore, it is clear that the SECDEF office was involved in
this event which resulted in planes being scrambled AND THE
PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY OF STATE
BEING ALERTED!.

Could this be a real radar detection of a group of UFOs that was
effectively covered up by the defense department?





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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:11:08 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:45:08 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


>  From: galevy@pipeline.com
>  Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:02 -0500
>  To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: UFO Studies

>  As regards to EM effects on vehicles stopping car engines some
>  time ago I posted an extract from an Air Force document which
>  noted that device capable of doing just exactly that had become
>  an operational weapon.

I must have missed the post - thanks.

However, you'll note I mentioned that this sort of research might
be being done by the government but was not being done by private
researchers, which was my focus in the paragraph you reference.

Since we don't know what the frequencies are that might be used
by such a weapon, it is hard to interpret the observable side
effects of such a weapon. If in normal frequency ranges, however,
we might expect extensive and long-range interference with the
frequency in question, due to the proclivity of radio waves to
travel long distances in the atmosphere, at least within line of
sight.

However, it seems to me that a) most static from UFO events is
localized to within a few hundred feet of the object. b) the
effects associated with EM include causing batteries to boil,
component burn out, etc, but these only happen within extremely
close range, c) RF weapons might be expected to have effects
similar to microwave, including induced core heating, etc.

The brief mentions of HPRF in your referenced document mention
effective ranges on the order of tens of kilometers, which seems
to be in conflict with most UFO EM cases. Also, at least one case
indicates that a diesel generator was interfered with in such a
way as to imply that the induction of current in generator
windings or other wiring was occurring, which is not an obvious
side effect (to me, anyway) of HPRF.

The presence of heat in some cases may well be a signature of
HPRF, but there are a myriad of others where no such effect
occurs.

It is also not clear how to account for the well-known restarting
of auto engines in the presence of HPRF. The AF document is
unclear as to the persistence of HPRF effects, but there is some
implication that the effects are permanent, and not just present
during HPRF focus.

However, there is no question that close proximity to RF seems to
be able to cause problems with power. Here's one example:

"A cellular provider in the Midwest encountered a hair-pulling
problem. From time to time, for no apparent reason a key cell
site would go off-line. Each time it was a hard crash requiring a
maintenance visit and at least an hour of downtime. The
troublesome crashes continued frequently and jeopardized the
customer's overall system quality perception. After investigating
possible causes it was discovered that a 2-way radio repair shop
was located in the same business complex. A correlation was
established between tests on 47MHz State Forestry Department
radios and the cellular system crashes. RF signals from those
radios were strong enough to bring the cellular system to its
knees when they overloaded the DC power system controllers. The
solution was to install an RF shielding system around the
cellular equipment room =97 completely eliminating the problem."

http://www.lbagroup.com/associates/emi.htm

What's interesting here is the effect of the powerful 47MHz
signal on DC power system controllers.

There is more on symptoms of RF EMI in
cellular systems which may be of interest

Unusual test equipment malfunctions.
Intermittent power supply regulator problems.
Transient, undesirable audio, digital or video noise superimposed
on signals.
High rate of unexplainable signal outages.
Poor or unreliable coverage from certain sites.

        http://www.lbagroup.com/associates/lbatn109.htm

Also

"Sites located near AM broadcast stations that have effective
radiated powers up to 250,000W may be subjected to intense
electrical and magnetic fields, which couple into equipment
through coaxial cables, telco lines, and grounding and power
lines. Fundamental and harmonic frequencies of AM stations and
their modulation components overlay common audio, data, T-carrier
and clock spectra. The potential for system disturbance is
enormous. Towers commonly associated with wireless sites actually
=93concentrate=94 the AM broadcast signal to local values far in
excess of free-space predictions."

While these effects may be of interest, again, the implication is
that such effects are within a wide range and require significant
power.  We do have UFO visible light emission levels in the MW
power range, so output similar to that cited above is certainly
no problem. More information is needed, however on side effects,
and especially biological effects of such radiation, so that we
can look for similar effects in our EM cases.

However, it is also clear that a UFO releasing a quarter of a
million watts of radio energy into the atmosphere would be as
observable and trackable as a nova. There is no real evidence of
this.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront/
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                            Re: UFOs and the DJIA

From: XianneKei@aol.com [Rebecca Keith]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:17:09 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:05:58 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs and the DJIA

>  From: "pcs" <pcstuart@pathcom.com> [Paul Stuart]
>  To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>  Subject: UFOs and the DJIA
>  Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:44:33 -0800

>  List,

>  A few months ago, there was a posting of a humourous story about
>  what would happen to the stock markets in the event of ET
>  visitations. I think it was written by a New York Times? writer.


>  I can't find the posting anywhere in the archives.  Does anyone
>  remember and can point me in the right direction?


I posted it. The URL for the UFOMind Site is:
http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/aug/m04-005.shtml

And it is also stored on Time's website:
http://pathfinder.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970804/business.crash_case_.html

Hope that helps.

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                 Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again

From: Ktperehwon@aol.com [Karl Pflock]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:35 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:29:10 -0500
Subject: Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again

FRIENDS & COLLEAGUES --

As many of you know, my wife Mary's boss, Cong. Steve Schiff, has
been fighting skin cancer for more than a year.  He has just
decided he will be physically unable to run for re-election.
This was made public earlier today.  He is NOT resigning and will
remain in office until whoever's elected to replace him is sworn
in next January.  Needless to say, life will be "interesting"
around here for the next 12 months.

-- Bests,

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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:21:00 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:37:41 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:20:11 -0800

> Still, anti-gravity isn't necessarily the way to go. A strong
> gravity force from above an object in the local gravity field
> would be able to generate the same effect as anti-gravity on that
> object.

Does General Relativity specifically forbid negative curvature of
space?  I *really* should bone up on GR, it's been like ten
years.

> There is, at this point, a noticeable number of cases of "gravity
> anomalies" in the presence of UFOs. As I recall, there is one
> case where an object flew over a truck and the truck lifted and
> was turned over; another where a witness was walking his horse,
> and as the object passed over, the horse lifted into the air and
> then dropped. A few other cases, such a a disk hovering above the
> ocean with the water domed up beneath it, and some of the odd
> holes left behind as ground traces may also be indicative.

Actually I recall seeing about six months ago, on CNN, film where
a mouse was levitated using a strong magnetic field (although I
think there was more to it than that), and evidently they've
figured out how to do that to anything, not just ferromagnetic
things.  The mouse seemed fine, although quite confused.

Although as far as trucks go, I can levitate a truck myself,
given a good junkyard magnet and appropriate control hardware. ;)

> One thing's for sure, though - ejection of the vast majority of
> particles in some sort of advanced reaction drive is not an
> option, since most of them generate incredible amounts of
> radiation or heat when produced in volumes sufficient to lift
> objects in the tens of tons range.

True; assuming you just want to resist G, you'd be talking about
an awful lot of ions at extremely high velocity.

> Not to mention that 20-100 gravity accelerations without some
> sort of local gravity field would mean that UFO occupants would
> have to scrape themselves off the deck with a spatula after a
> typical UFO departure.

If you can create localized curvature in space you can probably
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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:59:45 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:12:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers


> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:14:27 -0800
> From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> Telepathic communications and clairvoyance don't involve EM
> apparently. SRI did experiments putting sender/receivers or
> remote viewers into faraday cages and it didn't effect the
> positive outcome of the experiments.

I'm not familiar with SRI ... can you give me a little bit more
information on this?  In particular keep in mind that faraday
cages have to be constructed *very* carefully if you want to
block out everything.

I'm also assuming we're talking about experiments in which the
sender does not in any way select the information to be sent.

> Interestingly, many of the psi researchers ARE physicists. They
> don't know how to explain psi, but they have demonstrated it's
> validity beyond a shadow of a doubt. I especially recommend Dean
> Radin's book "The Conscious Universe."

I don't accept the validity of *anything* beyond a "shadow" of a
doubt.  But I will say that although some of the initial Psi
experiments had some huge statistical problems, more recent ones
do seem to show the phenomenon is valid.

> The existence of psi DOES require new physics.  Of course the old
> physicists may have a problem with that...;-)

That's nothing new; most scientists of a particular era think
their science is complete.

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                  Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction

From: KRandle993@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:03:27 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:57:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction

Greetings all -

For a column I'm writing, I took alook at the UPN web
site. They are going to rebroadcast their delightful
special on February 24.

From the press release, dated December 31, they
make no claim that this is entertainment, but leave
the impression this is an authentic abduction
report.

They do "weasel" word it reporting, "a one hour
special around an alleged videotaped account...
The recently acquired videotape is the sole
testiment to the fate of the McPherson family...
During the special, several people who claim to
have had similar experiences relate their ordeals,
plus experts on aliens discuss the authenticity
of the videotape."

As we now know, no experts discussed the
authenticity of the tape, just the reality of the
abduction phenomenon. Their who promotion
is misleading. This certainly isn't like Star Trek
or the X-Files because no one is hinting that those
programs are real.

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                                 UFO Studies

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:36:03 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:10:08 -0500
Subject: UFO Studies


> From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:51:02 -0500
> To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: UFO Studies

> As regards to EM effects on vehicles stopping car engines some
> time ago I posted an extract from an Air Force document which
> noted that device capable of doing just exactly that had become
> an operational weapon.

Exactly ... EM pulse will stop a car engine unless it's
specifically shielded (especially nowadays where there's so much
computer control). And I saw on a TV show about unconventional
weapons that the cops were considering using EMP, but it had too
much "collateral damage", i.e., it tended to stop the other
nearby vehicles as well.  But I figure it's only a matter of time
before they get better directional output (the military probably
already has that, as your post suggests).

I wonder how long it'll be before drug-runners start buying large
quantities of mu-metal. ;)

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                            Re: UFOs and the DJIA

From: David & Angie Lynn <davus@mail.cgocable.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:33 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:57:16 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs and the DJIA


From: "pcs" <pcstuart@pathcom.com> [Paul Stuart]
To: <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: UFOs and the DJIA
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:44:33 -0800

List,

A few months ago, there was a posting of a humourous story about
what would happen to the stock markets in the event of ET
visitations. I think it was written by a New York Times? writer.


I can't find the posting anywhere in the archives.  Does anyone
remember and can point me in the right direction?

Many thanks.

****************************************************************

Paul StuartFrom: XianneKei@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: Crash Case

Time Magazine http://www.pathfinder.com/@@5Hks0AcAxfJMvx*A/time/magazine/1997/do
m/970804/business.crash_case_.html
http://www.pathfinder.com/@@5Hks0AcAxfJMvx*A/time/magazine/1997/dom/9708

AUGUST 4, 1997 VOL. 150 NO. 5

------------------------------------------------------------------------
BUSINESS

CRASH CASE
MAYBE, UM, AN ALIEN LANDING WOULD DO IT
BY DANIEL KADLEC

------------------------------------------------------------------------
What could cause a stock market crash? it's an intriguing question with
no real answer, other than some kind of surprise. My bet is that it
would take a whopper. The bull market is so strong that to send the Dow
careening would take something truly out of this world. Here's how it
might unfold one day:


8:30 a.m. E.T.: The government reports record low unemployment. On CNBC
economist Stephen Roach at Morgan Stanley declares that everyone who
wants a job has one. He expects an inflationary spiral in wages.

9:30 a.m.: The market opens; inflation-wary traders send the Dow
plunging 160 points as interest rates soar.

10:51 a.m.: Individual investors begin buying the hardest-hit stocks,
and the market stabilizes; Coca-Cola schedules a press conference for 1
p.m.

11:01 a.m.: Ed Yardeni at Deutsche Morgan Grenfell and other economists
hit the wires saying that rising wages will not lead to inflation in
this new era. Institutions, recalling that folks like Roach have been
yelling "fire!" for more than a year, start buying. The Dow recovers.

11:37 a.m.: A radio station near Sedona, Ariz., reports a 20-mile
UFO--unconfirmed, as usual; the Dow is rallying, as usual.

12:49 p.m.: President Clinton refuses to sign a tax-reform bill, and
Newt Gingrich proclaims the capital-gains tax-rate cut dead, raising the
specter of government gridlock. The Dow surges 200 points because, well,
gridlock has been very profitable in the '90s, and now there's no
incentive to sell so, heck, buy!

12:56 p.m.: Saddam Hussein offers proof that he has nukes, and says, by
the way, he'd really like to rule Kuwait. Oil prices soar. No one thinks
about inflation; it's dead. The Dow jumps to a 265-point gain, led by
Chevron and Exxon.

1 p.m.: Coke discloses that a pair of garage scientists has duplicated
its famous syrup and is selling the formula worldwide. Warren Buffett,
proclaiming that the company is without intrinsic value, dumps his
stake. Coke shares rise anyway as the company, one of the biggest in the
major-stock indexes, benefits from the mindless buying of stock-index
funds. The Dow is up 400 points.

1:15 p.m.: Arizona state police confirm the presence of a UFO. It has
landed, and aliens are trying to communicate. The rally pauses briefly.

1:23 p.m.: cnn airs the first photos. A gauntlet of exterior ray guns is
visible, and the UFO is presumed hostile. The Dow is up 500, led by
defense contractors, security and firearms companies, and any that
bottle or can food and drink.

2:17 p.m.: The aliens are now speaking fluent English. They aren't
hostile after all. They're here to cut a deal: if we leave their ancient
burial grounds on Mars alone, they'll give us technology that is 15
centuries ahead of our time. It will enable us to eliminate world
illness and suffering instantly and to make society so productive that
everyone will enjoy peace and prosperity. On Wall Street the bottom
falls out. The Pentium chip might as well be a buggy whip; Windows 98 a
manual typewriter. As sky-high tech stocks become worthless, everything
follows, and from the elite on Wall Street to the masses in mutual
funds, they begin to think maybe, just maybe, they ought not take the
deal.

Daniel Kadlec is TIME's Wall Street columnist. Reach him at
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                     Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:07:05 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:24:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers


> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:16:52 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Santilli Debunks the debunkers

> Speculation . . . speculation . . . speculation.

Well *obviously* ... it's speculation to say "it was a hoax",
and equally speculation to say "it was real".  All we know for
sure is that the piece exists.

> The "experts" put the cost and expertise shown in this production
> beyond the reach of the student hoaxer, but who knows if that was
> just their own egos talking or a valid statement.

A question -- do we know for sure that this was shot on film and
not video?  If not, this makes a *big* difference in budget.

> Nearly all SFX experts have stated that they could do a better
> job, but none of the attempts to re-create the video have come
> close (IMHO).  I'm not arguing that the Santilli "film" is real,
> but rather that the attempts to recreate it all showed flaws that
> would have quickly been pounced upon by both skeptics and
> researchers.

Yes, but there were plenty of skeptics (not to mention medical
examiners) who pounced on flaws in the Santilli film as well.  So
again it comes down to opinion.

> I believe there are more important issues to discuss, and until
> some real "proof" comes along we don't need to beat this "dead
> horse" any more.

Quite right.  If I had the resources to spend on this WOMBAT I'd
throw some at the local film school here and see what comes out
of it, but I don't.  So until then I think we can agree that
there's much better evidence out there to rely on.

I am, however, worried that in 20 years we'll be totally unable
to rely upon video, just as we are now unable to rely upon still
photos.

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:08:43 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:03 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


> From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:38:36 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

> > From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
> > To: "'updates@globalserve.net'" <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:42 -0500

<snipped>

> > Does anyone out there have any info on this incident, or a
> > reference to the LA Times edition in which the sighting was
> > originally reported?  Apparently, a rather spectacular photograph
> > accompanies the article.

> > Any help appreciated,

> > Brian

> Hi Brian,

> Pages 15-17 of Timothy Goods book Above Top Secret describe what
> has been called the Los Angeles Air Raid February 25, 1942.

For those of you that have the McClelland & Stewart Inc.
Paperback copy the LA incident begins on page 21.

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                           Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: Scott Hale <shale@columbus.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:46:08 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:44:17 -0500
Subject: Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?


Phillip Mantle wrote:

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
> From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: CIA UFO REPORT

> Dear colleagues,

> Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
> report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

> All the best,

> Philip Mantle.

I beleve it appeared on this List. It is on the www for free.
I'm not sure where to look. Try a search engine.

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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:57:00 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:53:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings


>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:19:01 -0800
>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
>Subject: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings.
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Larry Hatch is having some difficulty posting. Don't feel alone
>Larry, I am, too.

>These figures are now subdivided as follows:

>pre - 1900            50         8          14       28
>1900s    . . . .      90         9          35       46
>1910s    . . . .      23         2           9       12
>1920s    . . . .      13         5           3        5
>1930s    . . . .      21         4           5       12
>1940s    . . . .     576        180        100      296
>1950s    . . . .    2630        509        717     1404
>1960s    . . . .    2036        205        768     1063
>1970s    . . . .    3193        249       1267     1677
>1980s    . . . .    1270         97        459      714
>1990s    . . . .    2219        196        846     1177
>
>Note  the 1940s  when 'broad daylight' sightings outnumbered
>dark-of-night by a 9 to 5 ratio.

>I have no ready explanation for the steady drop in the ratio of
>'day' sightings since 1940, and invite discussion.

>-  Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>

Hi Larry Hi all

One could venture that the reason for this that most people are
to "involved" in their normal everyday lives during the day to
notice anything unusual going on around them, thus at night they
have less to distract them so they are more likely to notice
other more extraneous things.

This hypothesis could be bourne out in part by:

1) some night-time sightings were barely visible "lights".
2) some of the daylight sightings were the more "unusual" ufo's.

But of course we would need more data on this and a more
intensive study on it.

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                Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:35:13 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:25:45 -0500
Subject: Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement

JUST CAUSE

Address: Box 176
Stoneham, MA 02180

Editor: Barry Greenwood

CITIZENS AGAINST UFO SECRECY

January 25, 1998

This will be my last statement for CAUS, Citizens Against UFO
Secrecy.  Effective January 18, 1998, I have resigned as editor
of its newsletter Just Cause.

In 1984, after CAUS was essentially a defunct organization, Larry
Fawcett and I thought it would be a good idea to have a vehicle
to publish updates following the publication of "Clear Intent,"
now called "The UFO Cover Up." We asked Peter Gersten, who had
previously taken out papers incorporating an earlier version of
CAUS with himself as director, if it was all right to revive CAUS
and its newsletter, Just Cause, since no one was doing anything
with the organization. CAUS had become a recognizable name after
several national news stories a few years before, and Fawcett and
I were working on the kind of research that CAUS had
represented.

Gersten gave permission and we began a new version of Just Cause
in September 1984, with Fawcett as publisher and Greenwood as
editor.  On occasion we would publish along with Just Cause a
CAUS Washington Report by Larry Bryant, giving his views on
government UFO matters.  It was essentially an independent
publication by a previous editor of Just Cause.  There was no
editor crossover influence between the two publications.  CWR
stopped around 1992 after about a dozen issues.

From 1984 to date, a period of more than 13 years, all CAUS
policy decisions and opinions were basically my constructions
since Director Gersten had left the organization to do other
things.  Several years ago Larry Fawcett retired to Florida,
leaving me with the entire operation, i.e., the newsletter and a
group of supporters/subscribers/members around the world.

In early January 1998, I was informed by Project 1947 head, Jan
Aldrich, that a site on the Internet contained a rambling open
letter on UFOs for a group called CSETI, run by Steven Greer.
The statement concluded with a list of contact organizations for
the letter, CAUS was one of the listed with *my* address but with
a phone number I did not recognize.  I never saw this letter, did
not endorse its contents or CSETI, and did not authorize any use
of the CAUS name and address.  The phone number, I discovered
later, belonged to Robert Bletchman of Connecticut, public
relations head of the Mutual UFO Network. That a MUFON official
is listing himself as a CAUS contact is beyond me since he was
neither a CAUS representative or on my mailing list.  Why is
MUFON interfering in my business anyway?

I asked Aldrich to act as intermediary on the net for me as I am
not on-line.  I insisted that the operator of the web site with
the CSETI letter, Steven Bassett of Washington, D.C., remove CAUS
from the list of contacts for the letter immediately.

On January 18th, I was advised by Aldrich of an E-mail message
from Peter Gersten to him announcing that Gersten was reasserting
his control of CAUS *retroactive* to January 1 to "make CAUS an
effective and viable activist organization dedicated to ending
all secrecy about extraterrestrial contact..."  He added that, "I
hope to pick up where Barry left off," and that he (Gersten) be
consulted prior to making any statements on behalf of CAUS.

I was thunderstruck that after 13 years of setting policy for
CAUS to protect its reputation as a careful, credible outlet for
research on the federal government's interest in aerial phenomena
(apparently something few of its other "officials" cared about as
they never showed up!), my position was being summarily usurped
in the flash of a keystroke.  I had left off *nothing,* and
suddenly any CAUS statements had to be cleared through Gersten,
someone who hadn't overseen the operation or issued any policy
directives for over a decade!

After having asked Steven Bassett, through Aldrich, to remove the
CAUS info from the CSETI letter, I discovered that the new
director Gersten had consulted with Bassett and had accepted him
as a CAUS consultant, again without my knowledge, thoroughly
undermining my position through a blind sided strike.

It became quickly clear that staying with CAUS was
untenable,...unacceptable.  The "new" CAUS officials, who were
popping up like prairie dog heads in the desert, were beginning
to forge unpleasant connections, CSETI/Greer for one.  On
Gersten's on-line chat room, one of his recent workshops is
titled, "Healing Your Inner Alien."  This is precisely the kind
of thing that I had spent much of my publishing time against: the
dumbing-down of UFO research, getting off onto silly tangents.
Pardon me for offending any personal beliefs but this is not
science, it is not even common sense, not even close.

With the advent of a collection of new CAUS loose cannons, I
asked Jan Aldrich to E-mail my immediate resignation to Gersten.
For me the rapid escalation of double-dealing and duplicity was
over.  Upon acknowledging my resignation, Gersten immediately
announced the debut of Just Cause as his own on-line publication,
wasting no time completing the assault.

One point needs to be made clear.  Peter Gersten was director of
CAUS when we took over the newsletter in 1984.  He did not resign
the position, he abandoned it, though, legally he still held the
title.  In essence, Fawcett and I were forced to be the de facto
directors in that no one else was issuing reports or statements
in that capacity.  I was in no position to change Gersten's
status without tearing down the organization and titles and
renaming everything.  At the time there was no need. He has the
right to take that title again.  I don't have to accept the "coup
d'etat" method in which it was done, or the new alliances which I
feel will ultimately destroy CAUS' credibility.

Since this is my last CAUS publication, from here on anything
attributed to CAUS is not my responsibility.  I have no
connection to it.

I will replace Just Cause with a new publication called "UFO
Historical Review."  If any of my existing subscribers want to
continue with CAUS, I will refund their remaining issues and they
can find CAUS on-line somewhere. If any want to stay, do nothing.
The next mailing will contain UHR, which will be similar in
format to Just Cause.  Available from Box 176, Stoneham, MA
02180. Quarterly at $15 per years, and $20 foreign.  Payable on
renewal to me, not UHR, for the present.  I want to thank Larry
Fawcett and Robert Todd for their contributions during the CAUS
era, and more recently Jan Aldrich and Edward Stewart of Project
1947 for alerting me to the back room maneuvers.

Barry Greenwood




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                            Re: UFOs and the DJIA

From: "pcs" <pcstuart@pathcom.com> [Paul Stuart]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:58:48 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:52:30 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs and the DJIA

Rebecca,

I went through the archives so many times but couldn't find it.

Thank you very much for providing the URL.

Paul








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                             CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:39:13 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:07:00 -0500
Subject: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

In a message dated 98-01-30 14:55:33 EST, you write:


>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: CIA UFO REPORT


>  Dear colleagues,

>  Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
>  report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

>  All the best,

>  Philip Mantle.

I assume you are talking about the one where in a publications
called Studies of Intel an article was published that linked UFOS
to the U-2 etc etc.

This is where I found it.  Its free on the Internet.
http://www.odci.gov/csi/studies/97unclas/ufo.html

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                         RAF - Rudloe Manor To Close

From: Mike Smith <mickey@anix340.dev.anix.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:40:34 +0000 (GMT)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:01:34 -0500
Subject: RAF - Rudloe Manor To Close


Hi,

Just announced on my local news this morning. The Security and
Air Provost facility is to be closed saving the airforce =A310
million pounds. No mention of where any personnel/functions would
be relocated to.

Just in case anyone is wondering as to the relevance of this
information, Rudloe Manor is believed to be the facility where
any secret British UFO material is held and processed.

Regards to all,

Mike

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                 Reactions to Barry Greenwood's Resignation

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:44:21 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:46:54 -0500
Subject: Reactions to Barry Greenwood's Resignation

Below are a few reactions to Barry Greenwood's resignation
from CAUS

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Barry Greenwood has provided a cautious and conservative check
on the excesses in the UFO field.  In this era of wild unfounded
claims his service was very inportant to serious UFO research.
His new publication will be a welcome addition to the field.

---Richard Hall

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I regret the need for Barry Greenwood to resign from CAUS
but having known Barry by his efforts over the last 10 years
I support him 100%.

Hopefully some good will come from it all and I would like
to receive his new newsletter.

Perhaps it could cover both historical UFO reports (which
would naturally include some Project-1947 material) as well
as any future release of material under FOIA which I hope
both Barry and yourself will continue.

Please assure Barry of my continuued support for the future

Regards
--
Murray Bott
Auckland, New Zealand
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

For as long as I've known of CAUS, Barry was always the
"human face" of the group.  Whenever I wrote to CAUS, Barry
was the one to reply.  When I needed information from CAUS,
Barry was the one who sent it to me.  When _JUST CAUS_ subs
had to be renewed, they went to Barry.

Barry wrote, co-ordinated, and edited the information obtained
from CAUS and virtually single-handedly kept the organization
afloat.

Barry _was_ CAUS, and whatever the future may bring, I will
always associate the spirit, dedication and unfailing generosity
of Barry with the man who _was_ CAUS for so long, and who will no
doubt imbue any future projects with those same qualities.

Barry, your peers and your admirirers wish you all the best.

Kindest regards,
                 John Stepkowski,
                 Melbourne, Australia.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As for myself, I wholeheartedly support Barry.... Please feel
free to quote me about that subject.

I've been accustomed to think of CAUS as of Barry, in the last
15 years or so. He's been a  rare voice of sanity and prudence
in as delicate a place as the center of official documents
releases, where the much too numerous and vociferous paranoids
might well have taken over.

What a pity he's leaving now!

My first reaction was that he should not have surrendered,
but he was there, I was not (and I did the same myself in
1985, when I had to take the painful decision to leave a
CUN I had worked for and believed in for years, but which
had gone to unacceptable positions).

Edoard Russo, CISU
Torino, Italy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Several years ago, for a reason I don't remember, French UFO
researcher Yves Bosson sent me copies of several articles that
had appeared in Just Cause. For me, at that time, Just Cause
was the bulletin of a group championning the "UFO community
vs the government" battle on UFOs. I had read Greenwood and
Fawcett's book and didn't chare some of their conclusions and
I also remembered the first years of CAUS with Gersten's fights
against government agencies. The CAUS I knew was another group,
the group that started before Greenwood became editor of Just
Cause.

I was very surprised when I read the articles from Just Cause
sent to me by Bosson. No wild claims. Only carefully checked
facts.  I asked Bosson to send me all his copies of the
newsletter and sent $20 to Barry Greenwood to subscribe. I
discovered that the European ufology was not the center of the
world and that even in the country of coverups, Roswell fans,
MJ-12 and Stan Friedman, there was a voice for high quality
information on government involvement on UFOs.

When the GAO investigation and the Air Force investigation on
Roswell started I called Greenwood several times "to know the
truth" about what was happening. I discovered a man who is in
fact very strange when compared to many other UFO researchers:
Greenwood has no extraordinary revelations to make, no rumors to
spread on other researchers, it's possible to disagree with him
without loosing him as a friend (and of course without being
accused of being a CIA agent or a debunker).  Greenwood is
something like a UFO experience: as long as you haven't talk to
him, you cannot imagine the person he is or believe that he
exists: the tone of his voice, the way he replies to questions or
criticism etc. In a community where insults, gossips and rumors
replace scientific discussions, Greenwwod is a real anomaly.

One last anecdote: some time ago, the French cultural TV channel
Arte (French equivalent to PBS) asked me who to invite to speak
about the US situation re UFOs. Of course I mentionned Greenwood's
name and told them something similar to what is written above.
Unfortunately I forgot that Greenwood lacks something, the something
that stops TV producers when they decide who they should or should
not invite. Greenwood doesn't have a PhD in nuclear physics, in
astronomy, or he is not a former MJ-12 member, never worked at Area
51 on crashed saucers or this kind of thing. As a result, Arte
didn't invite him and instead, they invited Stanton Friedman, who
of course has all the necessary credentials to speak about UFOs!!
And the French public learned all those terrifying secrets that the
US government is hidding. We can easily understand that a serious
TV channel like Arte cannot compromise itself in inviting someone
who is not a scientist and therefore who could go off the rail
during the interview!

What can I add? Nothing except that I sincerely wish for all of
us that Barry will continue to publish his newsletter (he told
me the other day that he will) and that thanks to him and to a
few other sane people in this field, we'll be able to maintain
something that really looks like UFO research. It's too bad that
people who consider ufology as just a pseudo-science full of cranks
don't know that people like Greenwood exist.

Sorry for my Frenglish. I hope you'll understand from what I say
above that Barry Greenwood is one of the few people in this field
that I really appreciate. But contrary to what I often read or
hear, I don't think that the UFO community is in such a bad
situation because even if there are more and more nuts, there are
also more and more serious investigators who follow the "Greenwood
policy". The only thing that is really happening is that there is
a divide that is getting greater each day between the sane UFO
researchers/historians and the true believers who accepts every
wild UFO claims.


Pierre Lagrange

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Count on me.  You may definitely quote me. Joining Pierre,
I support Barry's statement too.

Useless to add more.

Sincerely,

Maurizio Verga, CISU

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, I support him willingly.

Bruno Mancusi
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                    Re: FOIA request for non-US citizens

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:58:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:58:24 -0500
Subject: Re: FOIA request for non-US citizens

Regarding...

>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:36:59 +0200
>From: Jakes Louw <LOUWJE@telkom.co.za>
>Subject: FOIA request for non-US citizens

Jakes wrote:

>A fellow-countryman has a need to request a FOIA search for certain
>documents.

>However, not being US citizens, we are obviously going to experience
>certain fundamental problems.

>Now my countryman is willing to pay the FOIA levy if the search
>proves fruitfull, but we need a US person who is willing to initiate
>the request.


Jakes,

Unless there's a specific problem with making a FOIA request from
South Africa, it's otherwise not necessary to be a US citizen, or
resident.

In recent times, Rob Irving and myself have received responses to
requests from the UK.


Incidentally, last time I looked, ParaScope's 'FOIA help center'
was offering some useful assistance at URL:

http://www.parascope.com/foia.html


The US FOIA does seem to be a genuine effort to provide a more
open government, even though the good people there might
sometimes give the impression they are oppressed. <g>


James.
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                        Steve Schiff Won't Run Again

From: RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:49:42 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:09:55 -0500
Subject: Steve Schiff Won't Run Again


Rep. Steve Schiff Won't Run Again

.c The Associated Press

 By REBECCA ROLWING

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Rep. Steve Schiff said Friday he won't
seek re-election in the fall because of his battle with skin
cancer.

The five-term Republican, diagnosed a year ago, has been absent
from Congress since April.

``Because I have not yet recovered from my illness as
anticipated, I must regretfully announce that I will not be
seeking re-election in 1998,'' he said.

Schiff, 50, is scheduled for a third round of chemotherapy next
week to treat squamous-cell skin cancer, which spread from his
ear to his face.

Squamous cell is considered one of the more treatable forms of
cancer, but the congressman said he has a particularly aggressive
case.

As one of two Republicans on the ethics subcommittee that
investigated Newt Gingrich last year, Schiff signed a letter to
fellow Republicans declaring they knew of no reason why he should
not continue as House speaker.

The letter was instrumental in helping the GOP leadership build
support for Gingrich's re-election.

In 1993, Schiff asked the General Accounting Office for
information about the so-called UFO crash in Roswell in 1947,
stirring up a new round of investigations of extraterrestrial
visits.

Schiff was first elected to the House in 1988, succeeding Manuel
Lujan Jr., who was appointed interior secretary under President
Bush. Before that, Schiff was district attorney in Bernalillo
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               Re: Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again

From: RGates8254@aol.com [Robert Gates]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:17:23 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:15:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Steve Schiff Will Not Be Able To Run Again


>From: Ktperehwon@aol.com [Karl Pflock]
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:35 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Sad news

>  FRIENDS & COLLEAGUES --

>  As many of you know, my wife Mary's boss, Cong. Steve Schiff, has
>  been fighting skin cancer for more than a year.  He has just
>  decided he will be physically unable to run for re-election.
>  This was made public earlier today.  He is NOT resigning and will
>  remain in office until whoever's elected to replace him is sworn
>  in next January.  Needless to say, life will be "interesting"
>  around here for the next 12 months.

>  -- Bests,

>  KARL

I am personally sad about Steves condition -- I always thought he
is/was an honest and good man. I do understand why he does not
want to run for reelection.

Can't wait for the evil secret govt theorists to come out of the
woodwork.

We will probably hear tales about how Schiff getting Skin Cancer
was an  plot by the eeeeevvvvvviiiilllllllllll secret govt in
order to disuade him from pursuing Corso/Roswell/Truth/Expose the
secret govt.

How everybody trying to get the truth out is getting cancer blah
blah.

Cheers,

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                           Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: galevy@pipeline.com [Gary Alevy]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:38:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:23:37 -0500
Subject: Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
> From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: CIA UFO REPORT

> Dear colleagues,

> Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
> report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

> All the best,

> Philip Mantle.

Philip,

Here is how to order the document as per the web page of the CIA
Center for Intelligence.

Gary


Index of Declassified Studies in Intelligence Articles

The Studies in Intelligence articles and book reviews cited in
these indexes were declassified and are now available for review
and reproduction at the National Archives in College Park,
Maryland. The Center for the Study of Intelligence continues to
work on declassifying other once highly sensitive intelligence
literature. Our review is done in consultation with appropriate
components of the Intelligence Community.

Readers of many of the declassified articles will discover that
some excisions have been made to protect important intelligence
sources and methods. But the redactions do not reduce the
substantive value of this large and diverse collection. In almost
all instances, the judgments, and full meaning of the articles
and book reviews have been undiminished.

HOW TO ACCESS DECLASSIFIED ARTICLES FROM STUDIES IN INTELLIGENCE

Declassified articles from Studies in Intelligence are available
to researchers at the National Archives as part of the Records of
the Central Intelligence Agency (Record Group 263).


If you chose to do your research in College Park, the records are
available for consultation without charge in the research room.
The National Archives Building is at 8601 Adelphi Road, College
Park, Md. 20740-6001. A shuttle bus runs between the National
Archives at College Park and the National Archives Building on
Pennsylvania Avenue at 8th Street, NW, Washington, DC on the hour
from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday. Researchers
may use the bus on a space available basis. The R3 Metrobus,
serving Greenbelt, Prince George's Plaza, and Ft. Totten
Metrorail green line stations, stops at the College Park
facility.

On a researcher's first visit to the National Archives at College
Park a consultant archivist provides an orientation to the
building and records and conducts the registration procedure.

Research hours at the National Archives are (except legal
holidays) 8:45 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Monday and Wednesday; 8:45 a.m.
to 9:00 p.m. Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday; and 8:45 a.m. to 4:45 p.m. on Saturd
ay.

Copies of a Studies in Intelligence article can be ordered for
$0.25 per page for paper copies and $0.33 per image for 35-mm
negative microfilm. The National Archives charges a minimum of $6
for all mail orders. Please limit an order to no more than 5
articles. To obtain additional information about ordering copies,
please contact the Archives II Reference Branch, National
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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:37 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:35:12 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


Dook Wossname presents his compliments.

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:54 -0800

>There is an account and a photo (which is rather hard to
>interpret) in Peter Brookesmith's "UFO: The Complete Sightings"
>from Barnes and Noble.

Thanks for the mention, Mark.

There is a longer & more detailed account & evaluation in Chapter
One of my "UFO: The Government Files" (B&N 1996), which also sets
the LA "Battle" in the context of ufological history. Of course
it has been pointed out that the paper of that book is
worrisomely thicker than t'other, in the interests of giving
beguiling elegance to shameless disinformation, so don't believe
everything you read. (Especially, as I point out, notions of
things whizzing around at 18,500 mph.)

Gary Alevy mentioned that only Gen. Marshall's letter to FDR on
this debacle has been declassified. Is that still true, does
anyone know? Has anyone actually *attempted* lately to get more
info on this (e.g. papers from the AAA regiment) via FOIA?

best wishes
Panasonic D. Mitsubishi
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                Re: Project1947: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings

From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@COMPUSERVE.COM> [Peter Brookesmith]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:09:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:04:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Project1947: DAY/NIGHT More *U* Findings

Date:    30 Jan 98
To:      Project 1947 List
From:    Peter Brookesmith
Subject: Day/Night UFO Sightings


Larry Hatch wrote:

>I have no ready explanation for the steady drop
>in the ratio of 'day' sightings since 1940, and
>invite discussion.

First, may I respectfully suggest that increasing witness and/or
investigator sophistication or caution could account for some of
this shift. It's just easier to judge (as mundane) an apparent
daylight anomaly than one seen in the dark.

Second, it's noteworthy that the "fringe" sightings outweigh the
day and night ones *combined* in most decades from the Fifties.
Twilight brings even greater ambiguity in perception? (I have
seen Sirius dance all over the place when near the horizon at
dusk.)

Third, it would be interesting to see a year-by-year breakdown of
the Sixties to see if the shift took place consistently over the
decade. After that, the pattern seems pretty set.

All the above is predicated on the notion that these really are
UFOs, i.e. judged "unexplained" after investigation, and not just
sightings or reports, i.e. claims, of UFOs. If they're the latter
or a combination of both, I for one would be inclined to be much
more cynical about the causes.

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                         Re: Science Fiction Writers

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:46:56 -0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:21:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers
> To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:59:45 -0500 (EST)

> > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:14:27 -0800
> > From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Science Fiction Writers

> > Telepathic communications and clairvoyance don't involve EM
> > apparently. SRI did experiments putting sender/receivers or
> > remote viewers into faraday cages and it didn't effect the
> > positive outcome of the experiments.

> I'm not familiar with SRI ... can you give me a little bit more
> information on this?  In particular keep in mind that faraday
> cages have to be constructed *very* carefully if you want to
> block out everything.

> I'm also assuming we're talking about experiments in which the
> sender does not in any way select the information to be sent.

> > Interestingly, many of the psi researchers ARE physicists. They
> > don't know how to explain psi, but they have demonstrated it's
> > validity beyond a shadow of a doubt. I especially recommend Dean
> > Radin's book "The Conscious Universe."

> I don't accept the validity of *anything* beyond a "shadow" of a
> doubt.  But I will say that although some of the initial Psi
> experiments had some huge statistical problems, more recent ones
> do seem to show the phenomenon is valid.

For more information about the project at SRI, and the entire
history of the military remote viewing program, I'd suggest you
read Jim Schnabel's book, "Remote Viewers."  It's in paperback at
major booksellers.  The faraday cages were already in place at
Los Alamos and at SRI's physics lab, although they were
constructed for other purposes... you'll have to read the details
to satisfy your quest for detailed knowledge on this.  But these
weren't just hastily constructed by the psi researchers.

Also you may want to visit the extraordinary website:

http://www.pardigm-sys.com/firedocs

This site has links to the major research labs and a HUGE library
of information about psi testing.  There is also a mailing list
about remote viewing which is attended by Russell Targ (formerly
of SRI) as well as many of the ex-military remote viewers.  You
will get a very educated picture of this field...far more
accurate than the kind of drama featured on Art Bell, for
example.

Jeff Rense has also interviewed many of the psi researchers:
Spottiswoode, Radin, and May, as well as some of the military
viewers.  You can listen to those shows on Audionet by hopping a
link from his site:

http://www.sightings.com

The existence of psi has been proven, but not explained.  "Psi"
in this case referring to perceptions aside from the normal five,
perceptions transending time and space considerations.  What that
really means is still up for grabs.  But there are reproducible
effects that are regularly duplicated in labs around the world.
Even CSICOP has been unable to find fault with the methodology.
(Not that they would admit that there's any VALIDITY.)

--

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                       Skywatch: Filer's Files #4-1998

From: skywatch_ok@msn.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:49:31 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:39:03 -0500
Subject: Skywatch: Filer's Files #4-1998


Filer's Files #4-1998=A0 MUFON Skywatch Investigations
From George A. Filer:=A0 MUFON Eastern Director,
Jan. 29, 1998=A0 Majorstar@aol.com=A0 (609) 654-0020

Many UFOs are actually rather mundane objects such as satellites, air ships
and Black aircraft. Still 5 to 10% of UFOs remain unexplained.

FLORIDA

MUFON Investigator trainee Nancy Dunning writes: "I am a member of MUFON and=
 I
am trying to learn to be an investigator. I am sending you a report that I
wrote of a sighting that a friend of mine had. This person does not want her
name revealed so I am referring to her just as the witness. The witness was
staying with her son on Venice Beach. The house is not directly on the=
 beach,
there are trees in between. The object was first sighted at approximately
11:15 or 11:30p.m. on Friday, January 23, 1998. There is a small airport
nearby and at first the witness thought that an airplane was crashing. She
quickly changed her mind when after falling straight down the object stopped
just above treetop level and hovered. She described the object as a bright=
 red
ball of flames. As it came down out of the sky it left a flame trail behind
it. Once it started to hover this trail disappeared. As the object hovered=
 it
also appeared to get wider. It changed to an elliptical shape. It hovered=
 for
approximately one minute and then sped off to the SSW. The object hovered=
 over
the Gulf of Mexico. The witness went into the house to go to bed. She awoke
about 1 1/2 to 2 hours later. The cat wanted to go outside and she walked
outside as well. She said that the object appeared again and did exactly the
same thing it had the first time. The witness said that the sky conditions=
 at
the time were very clear. She heard no noises while witnessing the object.=
 The
only other person at the house did not witness the object. I have personally
not been to the house where the sighting took place. I am planning to go=
 there
within the next couple of weeks. If I find out anything else significant to
the sighting I will e-mail you with the details." Thanks to Nancy Dunning
DUNNING01@aol.com.

ZANESVILLE, OHIO

UFO investigator Jim Donohoe, publisher of the Equinox Newsletter, received=
 a
call January 29, 1998 at 7:45 AM from a female resident of Bellville, Ohio=
 who
reported a 'V' shaped object, which had a bright light at the front and=
 center
of it.=A0 The rear of the object could not be seen clearly due to the=
 brightness
of the main light.=A0 The witness also described a 'reddish glow' across a
portion of the rear the would have been near the rear edge.=A0 The object
hovered at a high altitude for 25 minutes.=A0 The sighting was reportedly=
 made
at 7:07 a.m. in an area east of Zanesville, Ohio (Muskingum County).=A0 The
witness then called a nearby resident, who had also been watching the object
for a 'period of time,' using binoculars. Through the binoculars, she
described many objects 'maneuvering' to the larger object, seemingly to=
 merge
with it.=A0 A third witness, sister of the first reporter, was also=
 contacted
and also observed the object.=A0 Its size was said to be at least one mile
across the rear edge of the 'craft,' and said to be an estimated 6 or 7
thousand feet.=A0 This judgement was made from the estimated distance and
altitude, by the 3 witnesses.=A0 The soundless object disappeared from sight=
 as
clouds moved into the area, hiding it from view.=A0 The witness with=
 binoculars
was the only one who reported 'other objects' attempting to merge with the
'craft'.=A0 Researcher Jim Donohoe will conduct additional witness=
 interviews
and an on-site investigation of the report. Thanks to Report filed by Kenny
Young UFO Research http://home.fuse.net/task/

COLORADO

On January 28, 1998=A0 Stephanie Sylvester's a writer for The Denver Post-
reported that at noon yesterday several people saw a large fiery object
trailed by a plume of smoke crash to the ground near in=A0 Breckenridge,
Colorado.=A0 "It was a fairly large object that was on fire with smoke that=
 was
spiraling off the back of it," said Blue River Marshal Steve Ford, who saw=
 it
from his car near Blue River Road and Highway 9.=A0 "My first thought was=
 that
it was a meteor." Fork watched the object plummet more than a thousand feet.
He lost sight of it at tree level. "It was a vertical shot toward the=
 ground,
and I'm sure it impacted the ground," Ford said. Leigh Pezzicara, a
spokeswoman for the Breckenridge Ski Resort, said several guests reported
seeing a flare in the area of Peaks 5 and 6. "However, we really can't=
 confirm
what it was," she said. The Summit County sheriff's office received two=
 calls
about the possible meteor. James Rickman, a spokesman at the Los Alamos
National Laboratory, said the scientific term for an object like the one
described by Breckenridge eyewitnesses is "daytime fireball."

On January=A0 27, 1998, Tim reports: "I'm getting a little escalation lately=
 of
reports around Salida, Colorado and increased military activity. My 17 year
old daughter Laray was sitting in the computer room at 9:00 PM, when she
viewed a moon size ball of green light for a couple of seconds moving at=
 high
speed and disappearing to the southwest. At the same time my wife's sister
[Kathy Rauter] and her 4 kids were driving to our house and viewed it down=
 the
road a half mile to the south of our home. They also reported the same
description and said other people had to see it. No tail was observed by any
of the witnesses. They were extremely excited and some were scared. I could
tell by the reactions it was a major sighting. They said it did not appear=
 to
be that far away. I just had got off the computer and was upstairs reading a
book so I missed the action again."
Jim Robert`s called me last night and said he viewed a orange, salmon=
 colored
globe from his house in the Cotapaxi area, 20 miles east of Salida on=
 January
23, 1998, at 9:00 PM sharp. Object was hovering, dimming and brightening to
the west and he thought it might have been viewed in Salida. No feedback on
anyone else seeing it except his wife down there. His description is very
similar to the commercial pilot report that I just listened to on Art Bell
from the Phoenix area last week. Seems like these things are everywhere. Jim
also reported a triangular shaped object circling under the sun last week=
 with
lights. He went in to get his camera and then couldn't pick it back up. This
man has frequent sightings especially of orbs or globes at his house.=A0=
 Locals
continue to come forward and relate sightings to me, especially older=
 ladies.
Many I don't even document anymore as it seems so common place up here and
takes too much of my personal time up.=A0 Thanks to Tim edwards@amigo.net=
 and
Skywatch International Inc.=A0=A0

Tom King, the Arizona Skywatch Director reports: "Just a thought concerning
last week's sightings in AZ. Exactly one week before last week's AZ=
 sightings
on Jan 14, (Jan=A0 7, 1998, 5:30 PM to around 3:00 AM), intense "UFO"=
 activity
was=A0 reported in Huerfano County, in South Central Colorado.=A0 Right in=
 the
middle=A0 of the La Veta Military [low-level flight] Operations Area.=A0=
 Witnesses
near Farasita, and Gardner, CO, watched extensive aerial=A0 activity by=
 dozens
of unknown objects, for hours, that did not appear=A0 to be conventional
aircraft.=A0 Witnesses of this activity have been interviewed by=
 investigator
David Perkins.=A0 These craft sightings were described as large,=A0=
 "disco-ball"
appearing "motherships" which discharged small red=A0 lights/craft which
appeared to criss-cross the Huerfano for many=A0 hours in a grid-type=
 pattern.
The following morning, (Thur Jan 8) two additional witnesses reported "20 to
30" fighter planes=A0 (coincidentally?) "criss-crossing the Huerfano".=A0=
 This
conventional activity was described by the long-time residents as=A0 being
highly unusual.=A0 (Remember, these folks see military flight=A0 activity=
 daily in
the La Veta MOA).=A0 Later that same day,=A0 (January 8, 1998, at 5:20 PM.)=
 Two
more=A0 witnesses, driving north on Highway 17 (25 miles west of the=
 Huerfano
sightings), claim they watched a "150 foot [diameter] disc" at=A0 "between=
 1500
to 2000 feet " in altitude, travel down the center of=A0 the SLV=A0 over the=
 Baca
Ranch, 2 miles east of State Highway 17 mile=A0 marker 93. One of these
witnesses (ex-military) estimated the=A0 disc's speed at between "500 and=
 600
mph." I find it highly intriguing that last year's "AZ Mass Sighting"
followed closely on the heels of an intense (little-publicized) wave=A0 of
sightings in South Colorado. And what do you know?"

=A0 Last week's AZ=A0 sightings again appeared to follow intense activity=
 reported
in South=A0 Colorado.=A0 (Let's not forget last spring's mysterious rogue=
 A-10
flight from the AZ "mass" sighting area BACK to the Colorado sighting=A0=
 area)
Is it my imagination, or is there some sort of a synchronistic=A0 connection
here? If (as some have suggested), "our" military is behind the AZ=A0=
 activity,
perhaps the fly-boyz w/ toyz are conducting dry-run sorties=A0 over the=
 sparsely
populated South Colorado region to gauge the=A0 potential public's response
before trotting out their toys over AZ=A0 for the inevitable big media=
 splash.
It appears to this=A0 investigator that someone is playing the unwitting=
 public
in both=A0 regions like a fiddle. Thanks to Tom King and Skywatch=
 International.

Chris O"Brien reports, "Since 1994, Southern Colorado has had several=
 reports
of 300-400 foo-sized=A0 triangle and rectangular craft flying at low=
 altitude in
the middle of the La Veta Military (flight) Operations area.=A0 I assume a
mundane explanation for a majority all sightings reported from this part of
Colorado/New Mexico. Comment: I now assume that "our" military has=
 operational
flight capabilities that could explain the AZ lights and other large craft
reports, i.e., single-digit speeds, hovering capability, etc.=A0 There are=
 some
(in and out of government) that have a vested interest in promoting the
"alien" visitation theory to explain away most large craft sightings,
including March's AZ mini sighting wave.=A0 The wheat from the chaff=
 scenario
gets even more complicated with every increase in operational/technological
capability of "our" military.=A0 As diligent, objective investigators, we=
 should
be able to explain over 90% of ALL reported sightings." Thanks to=
 Christopher
O'Brien, tmv@amigo.net.

--UNITED KINGDOM

Victor J. Kean reports that Flying Triangles (FT) continued visiting three
nuclear power stations (NPS) in Southeastern England during the month of
NOVEMBER 1997. There were a total of 137 Flying Triangle sightings over the
three nuclear power stations. This is an increase of five over October when
132 sightings were reported..=A0 Sizewell NPS in Suffolk had 74 sightings
averaging more=A0 than two a night for the month. There were 76 sightings in
October.=A0 Bradwell NPS in Essex=A0 had 37 sightings in both October and
November.=A0 Dungeness NPS in Kent sightings increased in November to 37,=
 almost
double the 19 sightings in October.. The Flying Triangles are usually first
observed in the North Sea off the Suffolk coast. It is thought the same=
 craft
probably visit more than one nuclear power station during their almost=
 nightly
routine. These three nuclear power stations are on or near the Eastern coast
of England. Victor Kean writes: "I have started to look closer at the times=
 of
the FT sightings in Project FT's database..=A0 Whilst analyzing the FT data
which now runs into 1,000s of reports, I am always on the look out for any
traces of 'human intervention' in the data which might indicate that the FT=
 is
*not* alien For example:=A0 At 0200hrs on March 29th 1997, the good citizens=
 of
the UK put their clocks and watches back by one hour at the beginning of
'Summer Time.' Now, unless the 'controllers' of the FT did the same, one=
 would
expect that the sighting times in the next days would show a 'one hour'=
 step.
Similarly, at the end of Summer Time at 02:00hrs on October 26th 1997 when=
 the
clocks were turned forward by one hour, subsequent sighting times should
reflect this one hour step backwards.=A0 Early indications confirm that=
 there
are 'one hour steps' at these times.=A0 This is *not* proof of 'alien
control'...lots of humans also forget to adjust their clocks.<smile>=A0=
 Perhaps
others may suggest other possible checks along these lines... Victor J. Kean
Project FT.

Editor's Note: In examining the data I tried to consider what could the
purpose of these nightly visits.=A0 The craft may be taking samples of the=
 air
over the nuclear power stations checking for radiation leaks. Also, an
Airborne Warning and Control aircraft (AWACs) might fly the same route
defending the UK from long range attack. Aereon Corporation in New Jersey
developed a patent for a roughly triangular shaped craft known as the=
 Deltoid
Pumpkin Seed.=A0 Although, the company attempted to get either the Air Force=
 or
the Navy to develop the craft, none was put into production by Aereon.

RAF COSFORD, UK

Adam reports that he lives ten minutes drive from RAF Cosford, UK.=A0 I have
been informed from a fairly reliable source that RAF Cosford - which is
supposedly being quietly run down - has suddenly had it's security up-rated=
 by
a phenomenal amount.=A0 This coincides with an increased number of strange
sightings including the ubiquitous black triangles.=A0 My informant, who has=
 an
RAF jet pilot as an acquaintance, tells me that this pilot has suddenly
clammed up on the subject of strange sightings.=A0 Previously he was always
ready to discuss the phenomena.=A0 The pilot is based at RAF Cosford.=A0 An
interesting snippet of information is that apparently RAF pilots are not
subject to the same 'gagging' when they have been based abroad. This
particular pilot has in the past been based in Saudia Arabia and was always
willing to talk about UFO's he and his colleagues had seen over there.=
 Thanks
to the UK UFO Network and adam@adl.enta.net (Adam)

IRIDIUM SATELLITES CAUSING LIGHT FLARES

Ed Cannon writes that regarding the report quoted below regarding very=
 bright
lights=A0 seen in the sky in or near Exeter, New Hampshire, on Dec. 28 and=
 about
a month earlier. Given the description, it appears very possible to me that
these people observed flares of reflected sunlight from Iridium satellites.
I've seen several of these flares now (including once or twice with my=A0=
 family
in San Antonio), and they are incredibly bright flashes of light with a=
 bluish
cast to them, if you're near the centerline of the=A0 flare.=A0 The last two=
 I've
seen were near the Moon, and one of them was=A0 more intense (brighter in=
 some
sense) than the Moon, while the other=A0 rivaled the Moon in brightness.=A0=
 The
brightest ones are visible in=A0 broad daylight, though I have not yet=
 really
tried to see one of those.=A0 I ran Iridium flare predictions for the=
 Exeter,
NH, area and found=A0 several very bright ones for Nov. 26-30, 1997, and two
candidates for=A0 the morning of Dec. 28, 1997.=A0 Depending on exactly=
 where the
man was and what time it was, better candidates might be confirmed for that
date.=A0 The most brilliant part of these flares is very localized,=A0=
 within less
than five miles or so of the centerline.

I suggest that reports of simple but intensely bright flashes in the=A0 sky=
 be
immediately checked out as possible Iridium flares.=A0 There are now 46 of=
 the
satellites orbiting, with 5 more due to be launched this=A0 Saturday and the
final total to be 66 operational with several spares=A0 as well.=A0 They are=
 in
near polar orbits and so can flare anywhere on=A0 Earth.=A0 There is an=
 online
prediction site that gives predictions 5=A0 days in advance of the current=
 date
for any selected location.=A0 The=A0 URL is:=A0=
 http://www.gsoc.dlr.de/satvis/=A0 (It
also gives one day's predictions for other satellites, as well as two weeks'
predictions for the Mir Space Station.)=A0 For checking in the past, one=
 would
need to run a flare program such=A0 as Iridflar.exe, the one I use, which=
 was
written by Rob Matson, a=A0 satellite observer who lives in California.=A0=
 The
first Iridiums were launched on May 5, 1997.=A0 There's a good site with=
 more
information about Iridium flares at:
http://www2.satellite.eu.org/sat/vsohp/iridium.html=A0 Recently there was a=
 very
nice story regarding them in the Salt Lake=A0 City "Desert News":
http://www.desnews.com/newtdy/rg0ku14t.htm=A0

I publish Iridium flare predictions for the Austin, Texas, area:
http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~ecannon/iridium.htm=A0 I'm not trying to debunk=
 here,
I'm just pointing out a potential source of extremely bright flashes in the
sky that should be among the possibilities considered when such reports are
received.=A0 I've seen them, as have quite a few other people now (including=
 a
field full of amateur astronomers at a star party southwest of Austin a few
months ago).=A0 They can be fairly reliably predicted, watched=A0 for, and
observed -- and they can be REALLY BRIGHT! The Iridium satellites are fairly
small and so are visible to the=A0 unaided eye only when they flare.) Thanks=
 to
Ed Cannon ecannon@mail.utexas.edu Austin, Texas

SPACE SHUTTLE AND UFO

On January 14, we reported the Space Shuttle Endeavor narrowly avoided the
collision with a UFO during its 12-day mission in September.=A0 We are=
 unable to
confirm this story through our sources and NASA firmly denies the event
occurred. Generally, the NASA tapes have become available a few months after
the sighting. However, the audio tape from the Endeavor report has not been
obtainable or confirmed. The report was published on the web from several
reliable sources and appeared=A0 real. The report stated:
"The word from author William Kliner, who claims to have obtained a=A0 copy=
 of
the tape from highly placed NASA sources and flatly calls the incident,=A0=
 "the
most dramatic close encounter in history. However, I have been unable to
obtain a copy of this tape, and therefore feel this report is at least=
 suspect
and warn that the story may be a hoax.

In other Filer's Files, I have reported on two shuttle missions (STS-48 and
STS-80), where UFOs were in fact video taped. I have this evidence in my
possession and I feel it is=A0 genuine. The STS 80 video revealed hours of=
 UFO
empty skies beneath the shuttle. When the shuttle approaches a line of
thunderstorms a group of UFOs appear.=A0 The disc-shaped craft move to=
 intercept
the thunderstorms and then appear to hover over the thunderstorms. The STS=
 80
cameraman apparently saw the UFOs moving in over the huge thunderstorms and
zooms in on the scene.=A0 One particularly good close up shows a disc craft=
 with
a dark area in the center.=A0

Also the December sighting of a large UFO in the Gulf of Mexico near an oil
rig thus far has not been confirmed.=A0 A large craft only thirty miles from
Corpus Christy should have been sighted by other the observers along the=
 Texas
coast. Jeremy Clark Packer the alleged witness and person responsible for=
 the
e-mail posting has not been located for verification of his story.

"INCIDENT IN LAKE COUNTY" TELVISION SHOW

UPN presented a one-hour special on January 20, claiming that the McPherson
family, missing since last Thanksgiving Day had left a videotape account of=
 a
family's purported encounter with aliens. The show claimed that the=
 videotape
was the sole testament to the=A0 fate of the family who have a series of=
 strange
occurrences, that culminates in a frightening encounter with alien=
 creatures.
During the special, several people who claim to have had similar experiences
relate their ordeals. Stan Friedman was the key expert for the show.

Ufologist, Dr. Bruce Cornet reviewed the show and sent this evaluation to=
 UPN.
"There is no doubt in my mind that UPN in airing the "Incident in Lake=
 County:
Alien Abduction" hit many nerves among those sensitive to how the alien
abduction phenomenon, UFOs, and the paranormal are portrayed by the media.=
=A0 As
a serious UFO investigator, who has had hundreds of personal sightings (most
of them photographed and/or videotaped), and who is working with Sam=
 Sherman,
President of Independent International Pictures (Old Bridge, NJ) on a film
documentary entitled, "From Beyond This Earth", which contains some of the
best documented film of unidentified flying objects over Clear Lake in
California (witnessed and documented by government scientists), I consider=
 the
reactions to your show as evidence that a major affront has occurred to the
advancement of scientific knowledge and understanding of these phenomena.=A0=
 If
any individuals employed by your company are of the opinion that this is all
nonsense and should be ridiculed, I would like the opportunity to educate
them.=A0 What we don't need are producers and editors who think that TV=
 ratings
are so much more important than presenting the truth (presented in an
objective and neutral environment) that they will intentionally frighten for
entertainment TV audiences.=A0 An analogous situation would be making a
production about rape where the authorities and family of the victim=
 couldn't
believe that anything like that could ever happen without the consent of the
victim.=A0 I have been approached by people who saw the show, and who are=
 upset
by it, thinking that it might be real.=A0 I told them that it was a hoax,=
 made
by a bunch of amateurs with a perverted and fraternity sense of humor=
 derived
from intimidation.=A0 These people seemed genuinely relieved to hear me say
that.=A0 Most of them can handle the abduction phenomenon, but not when it=
 is
portrayed as a swat-team-like attack on innocent people in their homes at
night.=A0 It is one thing to portray horror as science fiction, but entirely
another when a real phenomenon is perverted into fiction.=A0 I hope you take=
 the
time to read the letters I have received, and learn from this experience.=A0=
 The
show came across like the Clinton scandal to those of us who have=
 experienced
the real thing.=A0 Thanks to Bruce Cornet, Ph.D. bcornet@monmouth.com
http://www.OrionWorks.com/bcornet/




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                           Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: RobIrving@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:30:58 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:17:08 -0500
Subject: Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?


>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
>  From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: CIA UFO REPORT

Philip,

>  Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
>  report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

As an alternative to Gary and Scott's suggestions you could try
the CIA.

The Information and Privacy Coordinator - I believe it's still

John H. Wright
PO Box 1925
Washington DC 20013

Rob








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              Re: Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement

From: SGBList2@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:50:43 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:44:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement

>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:35:13 -0800
>  From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>  To: updates@globalserve.net
>  Subject: Barry Greenwood's CAUS Resignation Statement
___________________

A few clarifying comments regarding the statement below:

1)  the statement/ad referred to below was not by or for CSETI.
It was written by me and a number of suggestions from
organizations I work with (including CSETI) were incorporated
into the document.  This statement has been modified and is now
(or soon) available for review once more at: www.anagramvideo.com
and  forums.msn.com/ufo. It will be published in the Washington
Post in due course when appropriate signatures have been obtained
and funding secured.

2)  a number of other issues raised relating to me were addressed
and clarified in earlier posts by me as well as private e-mail to
Jan Aldrich in early January. These earlier responses to this
matter can be viewed at:

                     http://www.ufomind.com/people/b/bassett/

3)  I have now stated several times that I regret very much these
developments, acknowledge some errors on my part, have apologized
for such, have not been involved in any premeditated effort to
disrupt CAUS, admire the work of CAUS very much, would much
prefer CAUS to keep all executives for the coming demands of
disclosure.

4)  This was basically a complex misunderstanding.  The UFO
research community has suffered greatly from misunderstandings in
its 50 year history.  I certainly was party to this one, and am
resolved to be more careful as this difficult and complex process
moves forward.

Stephen Bassett
Paradigm Research Group
paradigmrg@aol.com
_________________________________________________


>  JUST CAUSE
>
>  Address: Box 176
>  Stoneham, MA 02180
>
>  Editor: Barry Greenwood
>
>  CITIZENS AGAINST UFO SECRECY
>
>  January 25, 1998
>
>  This will be my last statement for CAUS, Citizens Against UFO
>  Secrecy.  Effective January 18, 1998, I have resigned as editor
>  of its newsletter Just Cause.
>
>  In 1984, after CAUS was essentially a defunct organization, Larry
>  Fawcett and I thought it would be a good idea to have a vehicle
>  to publish updates following the publication of "Clear Intent,"
>  now called "The UFO Cover Up." We asked Peter Gersten, who had
>  previously taken out papers incorporating an earlier version of
>  CAUS with himself as director, if it was all right to revive CAUS
>  and its newsletter, Just Cause, since no one was doing anything
>  with the organization. CAUS had become a recognizable name after
>  several national news stories a few years before, and Fawcett and
>  I were working on the kind of research that CAUS had
>  represented.
>
>  Gersten gave permission and we began a new version of Just Cause
>  in September 1984, with Fawcett as publisher and Greenwood as
>  editor.  On occasion we would publish along with Just Cause a
>  CAUS Washington Report by Larry Bryant, giving his views on
>  government UFO matters.  It was essentially an independent
>  publication by a previous editor of Just Cause.  There was no
>  editor crossover influence between the two publications.  CWR
>  stopped around 1992 after about a dozen issues.
>
>  From 1984 to date, a period of more than 13 years, all CAUS
>  policy decisions and opinions were basically my constructions
>  since Director Gersten had left the organization to do other
>  things.  Several years ago Larry Fawcett retired to Florida,
>  leaving me with the entire operation, i.e., the newsletter and a
>  group of supporters/subscribers/members around the world.
>
>  In early January 1998, I was informed by Project 1947 head, Jan
>  Aldrich, that a site on the Internet contained a rambling open
>  letter on UFOs for a group called CSETI, run by Steven Greer.
>  The statement concluded with a list of contact organizations for
>  the letter, CAUS was one of the listed with *my* address but with
>  a phone number I did not recognize.  I never saw this letter, did
>  not endorse its contents or CSETI, and did not authorize any use
>  of the CAUS name and address.  The phone number, I discovered
>  later, belonged to Robert Bletchman of Connecticut, public
>  relations head of the Mutual UFO Network. That a MUFON official
>  is listing himself as a CAUS contact is beyond me since he was
>  neither a CAUS representative or on my mailing list.  Why is
>  MUFON interfering in my business anyway?
>
>  I asked Aldrich to act as intermediary on the net for me as I am
>  not on-line.  I insisted that the operator of the web site with
>  the CSETI letter, Steven Bassett of Washington, D.C., remove CAUS
>  from the list of contacts for the letter immediately.
>
>  On January 18th, I was advised by Aldrich of an E-mail message
>  from Peter Gersten to him announcing that Gersten was reasserting
>  his control of CAUS *retroactive* to January 1 to "make CAUS an
>  effective and viable activist organization dedicated to ending
>  all secrecy about extraterrestrial contact..."  He added that, "I
>  hope to pick up where Barry left off," and that he (Gersten) be
>  consulted prior to making any statements on behalf of CAUS.
>
>  I was thunderstruck that after 13 years of setting policy for
>  CAUS to protect its reputation as a careful, credible outlet for
>  research on the federal government's interest in aerial phenomena
>  (apparently something few of its other "officials" cared about as
>  they never showed up!), my position was being summarily usurped
>  in the flash of a keystroke.  I had left off *nothing,* and
>  suddenly any CAUS statements had to be cleared through Gersten,
>  someone who hadn't overseen the operation or issued any policy
>  directives for over a decade!
>
>  After having asked Steven Bassett, through Aldrich, to remove the
>  CAUS info from the CSETI letter, I discovered that the new
>  director Gersten had consulted with Bassett and had accepted him
>  as a CAUS consultant, again without my knowledge, thoroughly
>  undermining my position through a blind sided strike.
>
>  It became quickly clear that staying with CAUS was
>  untenable,...unacceptable.  The "new" CAUS officials, who were
>  popping up like prairie dog heads in the desert, were beginning
>  to forge unpleasant connections, CSETI/Greer for one.  On
>  Gersten's on-line chat room, one of his recent workshops is
>  titled, "Healing Your Inner Alien."  This is precisely the kind
>  of thing that I had spent much of my publishing time against: the
>  dumbing-down of UFO research, getting off onto silly tangents.
>  Pardon me for offending any personal beliefs but this is not
>  science, it is not even common sense, not even close.
>
>  With the advent of a collection of new CAUS loose cannons, I
>  asked Jan Aldrich to E-mail my immediate resignation to Gersten.
>  For me the rapid escalation of double-dealing and duplicity was
>  over.  Upon acknowledging my resignation, Gersten immediately
>  announced the debut of Just Cause as his own on-line publication,
>  wasting no time completing the assault.
>
>  One point needs to be made clear.  Peter Gersten was director of
>  CAUS when we took over the newsletter in 1984.  He did not resign
>  the position, he abandoned it, though, legally he still held the
>  title.  In essence, Fawcett and I were forced to be the de facto
>  directors in that no one else was issuing reports or statements
>  in that capacity.  I was in no position to change Gersten's
>  status without tearing down the organization and titles and
>  renaming everything.  At the time there was no need. He has the
>  right to take that title again.  I don't have to accept the "coup
>  d'etat" method in which it was done, or the new alliances which I
>  feel will ultimately destroy CAUS' credibility.
>
>  Since this is my last CAUS publication, from here on anything
>  attributed to CAUS is not my responsibility.  I have no
>  connection to it.
>
>  I will replace Just Cause with a new publication called "UFO
>  Historical Review."  If any of my existing subscribers want to
>  continue with CAUS, I will refund their remaining issues and they
>  can find CAUS on-line somewhere. If any want to stay, do nothing.
>  The next mailing will contain UHR, which will be similar in
>  format to Just Cause.  Available from Box 176, Stoneham, MA
>  02180. Quarterly at $15 per years, and $20 foreign.  Payable on
>  renewal to me, not UHR, for the present.  I want to thank Larry
>  Fawcett and Robert Todd for their contributions during the CAUS
>  era, and more recently Jan Aldrich and Edward Stewart of Project
>  1947 for alerting me to the back room maneuvers.
>
>  Barry Greenwood
>



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                Re: PROJECT 1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

From: DRudiak@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:36:34 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:27:05 -0500
Subject: Re: PROJECT 1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:02:20 -0500
>Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:59:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: PROJECT-1947: Ruppelt, Air Defense & UFOs

>On another matter, regarding the Air defense Command and radar:
>I have been trying to locate records related to the radar
>inspired national alert on December 6, 1950 at about 10:30 AM
>when radar picked up a number of objects approaching the
>northeastern United States.  I have a chapter on this in my book
>THE UFO-FBI CONNECTION because two days later, according to a
>message found in the FBI file, the counter-intelligence corps was
>put on immediate high alert for any information related to flying
>saucers (Dec. 8). There appear to be NO RECORDS OF THIS EVENT in
>the files of the Secretary of Defense, other than one document
>which provides a few details that could only have come from other
>documents .

>Furthermore, it is clear that the SECDEF office was involved in
>this event which resulted in planes being scrambled AND THE
>PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY OF STATE
>BEING ALERTED!.

>Could this be a real radar detection of a group of UFOs that was
>effectively covered up by the defense department?

Hard to know.  Truman comments briefly about this event in his
memoirs (Chapt.
25, Vol. II).  To provide a little background, Truman from Dec. 4
- Dec. 6 was in meetings with the British Prime Minister Clement
Attlee, who flew to Washington to calm serious war jitters in
Britain.  Truman wrote that the British were extremely worried
about the Soviet Union getting into the Korean War after the
Allies had been bombing extremely close to the Soviet border in
northern Korea.  British anxiety was heightened by a highly
secret report received from Peiping on Nov. 15, stating that a
top Russian diplomatsaid that Soviet Force would strike back in
force if Manchurian air fields were bombed.

On Nov. 30, Truman held a press conference, where the subject of
using A-bombs came up.  Truman denied that there were plans to
use A-bombs, though they had been considered along with any other
weaponry.  Truman stated in his memoirs that he had no plans to
use the A-bomb, but news reports persisted that he threatened to
use itt.  The British were dead scared that Russia (who now had
an A-bomb) would get into this, and the world would again be
consumed in war, this time an atomic one.

So on Dec. 6, there were no doubt fears of a surprise Soviet air
attack. Truman wrote:

"Shortly before we went into that morning meeting, Under
Secretary Lovett called from the Pentagon, reporting that the
radar screens of some air defense installations in the Far North
were reporting large formations of unidentified planes
approaching.  Fighter planes were sent up to reconnoiter and
alerts were flashed to air centers in New England and beyond.
But about an hour later -- while I was meeting with Attlee --
Lovett notified me that the report had been in error.  Some
unusual disturbance in the Arctic atmosphere had thrown the radar
off."

If the Dec. 6 event was indeed caused by an "atmospheric
disturbance," then why the CIC high alert two days later for any
information on flying saucers?
Was Truman really told it was atmospheric, or was he really told
that it wasn't Soviet bombers (the primary concern), but flying
saucers instead?  It's impossible to know from the scant
informaton that we have.

Or maybe something else was happening to trigger the Dec. 8
alert.  Dec. 6 is also the day of the rumored flying saucer crash
in northern Mexico with retrieval by the U.S. military.  A Blue
Book unknown case also occurred that day in Fort Meyer, Florida
where a 75 foot saucer was seen through binoculars by a former
aircraft purchasing agent.  Ruppelt wrote of the first
UFO/radiation detection case at Los Alamos in Dec. 1950.   From
Dec. 14-20, FBI memos mention three more UFO reports  by radar
operators and employees at Oak Ridge.  Two jet intercepts were
attempted and on 12/14, "a group of objects blanketed the Radar
Scopes..." for 3 hours.   These incidents had been preceded by a
flurry of 15 such UFO reports back in Oct. over Oak Ridge, also
investigated by the FBI.  The one that occurred on Oct. 23 is
also mentioned by Ruppelt in his UFO radiation chapter.  One FBI
memo stated "geiger counters in the vicinity [had] unexplainable
readings at about this time."

For all we know, this may only represent a fraction of UFO
activity at the time.  The UFOs over our atomic installations
like Los Alamos and Oak Ridge must have been the most alarming.
Maybe the Dec. 6 incident really was a false alarm, but the
military in conjunction with the other UFO incidents were
concerned that we might not be able to distinguish a genuine
Soviet attack from the UFOs that were flying around.  Perhaps
this triggered the alert on Dec. 8 for any additional information
on the UFOs.  It could have been fears of an accidental nuclear
war with the Soviets at the height of the Korean War.

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                  Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:38:24 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:44:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction

>From: KRandle993@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:03:27 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject:  UFO UpDate: Rebroadcast of our Favorite Abduction

>Greetings all -

>For a column I'm writing, I took alook at the UPN web
>site. They are going to rebroadcast their delightful
>special on February 24.

>From the press release, dated December 31, they
>make no claim that this is entertainment, but leave
>the impression this is an authentic abduction
>report.

<snip>

>As we now know, no experts discussed the
>authenticity of the tape, just the reality of the
>abduction phenomenon. Their who promotion
>is misleading. This certainly isn't like Star Trek
>or the X-Files because no one is hinting that those
>programs are real.

>KRandle

Hi Kevin,

What we ought to do is sue 'em for equal time! If it was possible
to get you and Stan on the same podium I would do it with you.

I know that you are not a proponent of the abduction scenario,
but you're an -honest- guy Kevin. I have aways considered the
honest skeptics to be my best friends.

They (unfortunately) are the only ones asking the 'hard
questions.' It is partly because I am that way myself, (question
everything) that I am able to keep my butt on the stool and not
go floating off into deep space like so many of my peers.

If you ever want to Kevin, I'll share a podium with you or Stan
Friedman or any number of -intellectually honest- people that are
also a part of this field.

Honest to God, I'm only interested in getting at the truth of it
all. Not in selling any particular take over another. As I have
said time and again,

MY wife and kids are involved in this! I need serious, no BS
answers, and I need 'em now! Not when everyone else decides it's
time to come around a have a look see.

If the opportunity should arise you have only to let me know.
With -you- guys I'll be there with Bells on!

You can ask all the "hard questions" you want!

Peace,

John Velez









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                               Re: UFO Studies

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:39:13 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:25:03 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Studies


>  From: William White <bwhite@frognet.net>
>  Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Studies
>  To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:21:00 -0500 (EST)

>  Does General Relativity specifically forbid negative curvature of
>  space?  I *really* should bone up on GR, it's been like ten
>  years.

"Carefully extracting the massive volume Gravitation, by Misner,
et. al, lovingly, but carefully, placing it on the strongest desk
in the house, donning his welding goggles to protect himself from
stray tensors, he opens to the index..."

Oh, well, no "negative curvature". Or "curvature, negative".

Still, let's think about it by recalling how GR does gravity. It
isn't an "attraction", but the tendency of objects to follow the
shortest path through curved spacetime (the "geodesic"). So it's
not that you're being pulled toward the center of the earth by a
force, but that when you stand, the curvature of spacetime leads
down to the center of the earth, and if nothing stops you, your
path through spacetime must, by its geometry, lead toward the
center of the spacetime-deforming mass.

In this context, what's negative curvature? I suspect, given the
Einsteinian abhorrence of privilege, such as between gravity and
acceleration (inertia being the property of trying to follow the
spacetime geodesic), that negative curvature is just gravity from
somewhere else. For instance, that when you are standing with the
moon or the sun right over your head, you are experiencing the
slight addition of a negative value to the positive curvature
caused by the earth. Or, negative curvature is the universe
inside-out. (Oops! What a mess.)

>  Actually I recall seeing about six months ago, on CNN, film where
>  a mouse was levitated using a strong magnetic field (although I
>  think there was more to it than that), and evidently they've
>  figured out how to do that to anything, not just ferromagnetic
>  things.  The mouse seemed fine, although quite confused.

Assuming this worked, I would expect that it would leave a
massive magnetic signature. Most magnetic remnants from
UFOs seem to be relatively small. So if UFOs generate strong
magnetic fields, I expect they would need to use alternating
polarity fields, such as are used in industrial degaussing.

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: werd@interlog.com [Drew Williamson]
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:02:17 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:15:48 -0500
Subject: Re:  The Battle of Los Angeles

>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:37 -0500
>From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com>[Peter Brookesmith]
>Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>Dook Wossname presents his compliments.

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles
>>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:54 -0800

>>There is an account and a photo (which is rather hard to
>>interpret) in Peter Brookesmith's "UFO: The Complete Sightings"
>>from Barnes and Noble.

>Thanks for the mention, Mark.

>There is a longer & more detailed account & evaluation in Chapter
>One of my "UFO: The Government Files" (B&N 1996), which also sets
>the LA "Battle" in the context of ufological history. Of course
>it has been pointed out that the paper of that book is
>worrisomely thicker than t'other, in the interests of giving
>beguiling elegance to shameless disinformation, so don't believe
>everything you read. (Especially, as I point out, notions of
>things whizzing around at 18,500 mph.)

>Gary Alevy mentioned that only Gen. Marshall's letter to FDR on
>this debacle has been declassified. Is that still true, does
>anyone know? Has anyone actually *attempted* lately to get more
>info on this (e.g. papers from the AAA regiment) via FOIA?

>best wishes
>Panasonic D. Mitsubishi
>Raw Fish

Dear Mr. "Just slightly ahead of our time" and automotive engine
manufacturer colossus,

I asked Jan Aldrich about the document that was released in the
U.S. from one of the branches of the armed forces or perhaps the
Pentagon in 1987(?) that officially admitted that the event took
place. I haven't been able to locate this, nor can I remember
where I heard or saw this. Perhaps this note will jog someone's
memory.

Hope I've been vague enough for you.%^>

Yours
Fryin' Fish in the Raw,
Drew Williamson

P.S. Was it you or one of your esteemed countrymen that warned
"when you fly a fish in the law, you have to watch out fo' the
sprats"..? Yeeeooouch!
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                            Re: Underground Bases

From: Psdx1@aol.com [Phil Danielson]
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:27:52 EST
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:59:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Underground Bases


Alien underground bases are just that. They are in control of the
bases and have their own agenda.

No one has quite figured out what yet. Also involved are military
and intelligence personel. There is a list of 125 confirmed
underground bases out there, with more to be added when
confirmed.

Bases.... Fort Stockton, Texas... Tulsa Oklahoma Riverton
Wyoming, Fort Mcoy, Sparta Wisc.

I have been working on underground bases for over 20 years.
Chronilogical order of my investigations is meaningless. My
hunting of joint Ufo-military underground bases intensified after
working on a hostile abduction case.During this investigation I
aquired a list of 5 underground bases that proved to be true.

Fort Mcoy is one of the projects I am on at the moment.
Things that have happened to me while working on Fort Mcoy

1. I was working to get into what I feel is an under ground
entrance, when all of a sudden it sounded like there was an
intence magnetic field surrounding me. It sounded like thousands
of bee,s all around me. I did a 360 degree check at ground level
also over myhead and could find nothing. Also at same time I got
out of the car with a loaded camera and with out touching
anything, the camera rewound it self.

2. I have been followed down there

3. missing time

4. A squad of soldiers with M-16s faced me 20 yards off public
hi-way. The only day I was not armed.

5. 6000 acres added to the N.E. end of base, and could not get
info from land management. This area off limits to regular base
personel.

6. Black helicopter gunship chased hunter out of area.

7. Unexplained deaths in the area and disappearences 2 found shot
in the back of the head in the wooded area. Other unexplained
deaths.

8. 1 plane- 1 helicopter disappeared with out a trace .

9. After a trip into the area I went to northern Wisc.

2 days later. After a boat trip out on the Apostile Islands for 4
hours, I came back to move my car, and it was dusted with a
chemical that got all over my hands. My fingure tips had a blue
dye type chemical oozing out of them.I could wash my hands clean,
and a few minutes later the blue stuff would start coming through
the finger tips again. Went on for 4-5 days.

This should give you something to think about..........

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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:48:51 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:41:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings


>  From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/30/98 8:53 PM:
>  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:57:00 +0000
>  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>  From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
>  Subject: UFO UpDate: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

>  Hi Larry Hi all

>  One could venture that the reason for this that most people are
>  to "involved" in their normal everyday lives during the day to
>  notice anything unusual going on around them, thus at night they
>  have less to distract them so they are more likely to notice
>  other more extraneous things.

This is to some extent supported by demographic studies, such
as Hynek's UFO Evidence demographics which I profile at my
(currently down due to a geocities problem) website under:

http://www.geocities.com/~mcashman/uhyndem.htm

In those statistics, one can see that youths, housewives and
aviation personnel represent very close to half of all reporters
in Hynek's book. As one crosses the strangeness categories to
higher strangeness cases, this sample shows a decrease in
technical personnel, and the aviators are nearly winnowed out by
the time CE-II are reached, while housewives and the young alone
represent nearly 50% of the reporters.

These figures, I think represent fairly faithfully a number of
things, one of which is that people who spend more time under the
sky tend to report UFOs more often, and secondly that, as UFOs
come within closer range, the demographics of UFO reporters
approaches more closely the typical US demographic profile.

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             Material for new TV show - A grovelling beg of the

From: "Michael J. Woods" <mike.woods@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:30:32 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:09:28 -0500
Subject: Material for new TV show - A grovelling beg of the

[I've known Mike Woods for several years. We've worked
 together both in front of and behind cameras. He's
 been a hard-nosed newswriter for more years than he
 wants to remember. He's good at what he does and is
 an asset to ufology. If you can, help him with
 whatever you can. Did I mention he was a military
 boxing champion? <VBG> -- ebk]


Dear List,

Some of you know me, some of you don't, but I'm asking all of you
for a favour.

My name is Mike Woods and some of you might have met me at
Roswell last summer as my wife Kathy and I were down there,
keeping company with our esteemed moderator Errol and the lovely
and talented Sue. (Hey John, Rebecca, all the rest of you desert
mad-women and men.)

I was a news writer for a Toronto TV station then. Now I'm a
producer for a regional 24 hour cable news channel (same place)
....and because of the weird nature of my employer CITY-TV, I've
got an opportunity for a couple of minutes a week (to start) to
provide topical UFO-related reports on Canada's nation wide
sci-fi channel, SPACE, the imagination station. CITY-TV is
Canada's largest and easily most influential independent
television station. We also own and produce the national cable
channel MuchMusic, BRAVO! a national arts and entertainment
channel, and the SPACE channel, all housed in an enormous,
extensively renovated former multi-floor warehouse. (Enough of
the commercial, I'm making me sick. I'd genuflect, but my arm's
too sore.)

As Errol can testify, I've given lectures, done TV and radio
programs, etc supporting a simple message. While concentrating on
UFOs and the media, relating the changing approach to media UFO
reporting over the years as it reflects the changing attitudes of
the public. I also push the message that there is something real
to the UFO phenomena. That it should be investigated properly,
including opening any classified files on the subject, no matter
how much or little they may contain. What UFOs are, or are from,
is entirely up for grabs. There's plenty of evidence, but no rock
solid proof.

So, because of my UFO work, I was approached to fill a couple of
minutes per week on the topic. It's TV....so I'm begging for
video, as much of it and as recent as I can get. (Hello, Tom,
Phoenix, can you help?)

Figuring on retiring on the payment for the tape? Don't.

I'm doing the gig for nada, but after some hair pulling, eye
gouging and various and sundry fighting I did manage to get them
to spring for shipping costs! (Perhaps Errol can explain the
legendary cheapness of CITY-TV, a well known fact-of-life in the
Toronto media scene.) If the show grows as I hope it does, money
then WILL become an issue. Right now, I'm just trying to get this
puppy off the ground.

The only reason I can give you for helping me with this project
is that it's a thin wedge into the broadcast stream, of getting
something to air within days, at worst weeks, of the event. It's
of heightening the profile of the topic, creating even more
awareness with an advocate controlling the admittedly small
production. And the broadcaster is well known for going out on a
limb and creating leading edge programs....(and in all fairness
some mind-numbingly bad stuff, too.) Yes, yes, only in Canada.
And on satelite, I think. pity. (Hello, Chris, there's a window
of opportunity here to get the message out)

So if you can help, with videotape or sighting reports or
anything else you might think of to send along, including
works-in-progress ie. (field investigations, books, extended
videos or CD's) contact me through this amazing reference
resource we call UFO UpDates, or directly at

mike.woods@sympatico.ca

Hopefully, Errol will back me up on the statements I've made
here. Or he might post a never-heard-of-him, in which case point
me to a bridge.

Thanks for your time. Please return to your normal reading
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              Gersten and Bassett discuss Government Disclosure

From: "Yvonne Hedenland" <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:06:12 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:47:14 -0500
Subject: Gersten and Bassett discuss Government Disclosure

The Politics of UFOs-Paths to Disclosure

What does the U.S. Government know about UFOs and what is the
best method to get that information out into the open?

Peter Gersten, who has sued the government with mixed success,
now has  Col. Phillip Corso as a key witness. Gersten is
currently preparing to bring the U.S. Government back into the
courtroom for another battle over disclosing what it knows about
UFOs.

Steve Bassett on the other hand, is gathering names on a
petition. His goal is to obtain congressional immunity from
prosecution for those that have sworn secrecy oaths and are ready
to testify before Congress in regards to what they saw while
working for the government.

Hear their opening statements via Netshow Audio and then join us
Sunday February 1 at 5pm, PT, in the Briefing Room where these
two will each make a case for their approach.  This chat is
available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:12:44 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:52:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings


>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:14 -0500
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


> >I recently sent in some findings about day versus night UFO
> >sightings from the *U* UFO Database. Since then, I refined the
> >statistical routine to subdivide the raw data by decades.

> >The *U* Database has 16,575 sightings listed as of 28 JAN'98.
> >Of these, 12,121 have 'known' time(plus or minus one hour
> > to allow for Daylight Savings time and time-zones. )

> <snipped>

> >Note  the 1940s  when 'broad daylight' sightings outnumbered
> >dark-of-night by a 9 to 5 ratio.

> >I have no ready explanation for the steady drop in the ratio of
> >'day' sightings since 1940, and invite discussion.


> I realize your cases are those most likely to be unexplained,
> i.e. you have not put ALL sightings into your data base.
> HOWever, I woudl still like to see this with a selection
> inlcluded, such as the upper half of the strangeness/credibility
> index.   Also, you might see if the sightings fall off in the
> latter half of the night, as you define it (as suggested by
> Vallee years ago).

> REASONS FOR MORE NIGHT SIGHTINGS:
> 1) people aren't as likely to look up in the day as at night

> 2) at night, these sightings are mostly night lights; moving
>    lights against a dark background catch the attention more
>    easily than distant objects moving through the bright sky
>    background

> 3) True UFOS (TRUFOS) fly around mostly at night

> 4) (for the skeptics) people are more likely to make
>    observational errors at night

> 5) reasons I haven't thought of

Bruce:   These are all fine explanations, especially # 5.

I cannot argue with the logic. My question is: Why should the
1940s and 50s (especially the 40s) be so different from the
1960s, 70s, 80s....??

What changed? Did the UFOs themselves change priorities, methods
or  means?... or is this simply some subjective (i.e. observer
oriented ) bias which crept in? Were people less likely to look
up at night in 1947 for some reason... like UFO ignorance in an
era before they became B-movie material?

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                        Re: The Battle of Los Angeles

From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:28:24 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:08:49 -0500
Subject: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles


> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:56:37 -0500
> From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
> Subject: The Battle of Los Angeles
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> Dook Wossname presents his compliments.

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Battle of Los Angeles
> >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:36:54 -0800

> >There is an account and a photo (which is rather hard to
> >interpret) in Peter Brookesmith's "UFO: The Complete Sightings"
> >from Barnes and Noble.

> Thanks for the mention, Mark.

> There is a longer & more detailed account & evaluation in Chapter
> One of my "UFO: The Government Files" (B&N 1996), which also sets
> the LA "Battle" in the context of ufological history. Of course
> it has been pointed out that the paper of that book is
> worrisomely thicker than t'other, in the interests of giving
> beguiling elegance to shameless disinformation, so don't believe
> everything you read. (Especially, as I point out, notions of
> things whizzing around at 18,500 mph.)

> Gary Alevy mentioned that only Gen. Marshall's letter to FDR on
> this debacle has been declassified. Is that still true, does
> anyone know? Has anyone actually *attempted* lately to get more
> info on this (e.g. papers from the AAA regiment) via FOIA?

The AAA Regt. after action report was released.  Basically, they
were probably firing at their own meteorological balloon.  The
incident is more complex than just one met balloon.  Some
documents are still not available.  The Navy is mentioned as
early on in the incident as giving the initial warning.  However,
the Navy's part in this incident is not documented, or the
documents are not yet available to the public.

Ruppelt, in his catchall file, had an alledged sighting
report from an individual who claimed to have seen something
before all the firing started.

In Feb 1942, the Japanese launched a submarine based plane to
drop firebombs in the forests of Oregon.  It was unsuccessful.
The bombs were dropped but caused no fires.

In the 1960's a men's magazine alledged that the same thing
happened in Los Angeles in 1942.

Officially, only the Oregon attack is recognized as true.

--
Jan Aldrich
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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #219

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:04:02 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:25:54 -0500
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #219

Apology to MW #219 (For January 31, 1998)

It's time to grab the keys to my ship "Imagination," and fly out
to the darkest, deepest space. Outside our solar system -- I look
back on, and can listen to the futile little ravings of my
squalid little race. Oh, we hold ourselves so grandly in
pretended understanding, and we think that we're the bee's knees
of creation. Complacent, lost in dreams, and ignoring righteous
screams, we wallow in a mire quite fallacious.

I turn the key it's on, and we _SHRINK_ down (almost gone) just
to satisfy the physics of our punch to airless space. Then space
(so quick) surrounds us and in awe we are confounded as the
brightness of a trillion stars entreats us with their grace.
Turning this'a way and that we see the planets, eyes like cats;
Jupiter and Mar's approach like brothers. Quick as 'that' they're
gone, so far out we are alone, adrift (without a phone) our ship
for cover.

We think about our place in this everlasting space that goes
without an end, the eggheads say. And it goes beyond the prayers
that another takes for dares on a blue white living marble where
we play. There're others out here with us, and they watch, but
won't get with us, enigmatic and not coming when they're called.
They sit, just out of view, and their contacts, just a few, make
me wonder if they think our engine's stalled.

We are a messy puzzle, so our watchers watch their sleeves;
compared to them we're still a'crawl, still down on calloused
knees. They were old before our dirt had even crumbled from its
rock, knew of planets in collision, they had *science*, walked
the walk.

But, there's something else about us -- they think we're
interesting -- think of that (though perhaps the way we're
interested in a monkey or a cat)! I think they think we're
beautiful, though when we're bad we're bad, it's when we're good
we're really good they're gratified, astonished -- glad. Arts and
loves and musics are the source of satisfaction, is it what they
find so pleasant pulled from chaos and abstraction?

Could it be that they're surprised by our peculiar little antics;
for them surprises few and far between? They thought they had it
figured out, then heard from us -- what we're about? In many
years of records -- oh=85 -- the *things* that they have seen.

They watched Titanics going down with the *rabble* locked
belowdecks. They saw the *workings* of a *just* and *honored*
Klan. They watched us filling up our prisons with what was culled
from our society while we taught our trusting kids to
*understand*. They watch us hate our sex glands with our
strictures, codes, and rules. They watch us blaming kids for
riot, them we bullshit in our schools! It's a madhouse they're
perplexed by, it's a dance of fever dreams, a chaos we're
presenting -- here we laugh and there we scream.

 They see us give away our stuff -- effect a grander plan. They
see us paint and write, and sculpt so white in mountains of our
land. They see us slowly waking up to find that we were not alone
-- getting over our embarrassment that will go right to the bone=85
They see us rescue our sad fallen when we think to lend a hand.
They see a teacher teaching truth, no axe to grind, and
understand. They see compassion where it suits us and I think
they know our curse, that we're only at our best when challenge
takes a turn for worse.

=85Or maybe we're just useful -- as a common white lab rat, to help
them with a problem that they're plagued with -- is it that?
We've got something going for us, of that I am assured, or they'd
do like us and whack us <?> -- and they could not be deterred.

I'll sit out in the blackness of the dark between the stars=85 far
brighter here than does appear as close to Earth as Mars. I'll
teleport you back <it's *pop* and you're back home> I think I'd
rather sit out here awhile, and be alone. I'll try to get the
watchers to construct our ship for real; insulate us from the
madness -- have a better, truer deal.

      Lehmberg@snowhill.com

We better HOPE they're more ethical than we are.

Restore John Ford!


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                           Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?

From: Dan <geibdan@qtm.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:13:58 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:35:26 -0500
Subject: Re: CIA's 'UFO Report'?


> > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:33:47 +0000
> > From: Philip Mantle
> > To: updates@globalserve.net
> > Subject: CIA UFO REPORT

> > Dear colleagues,

> > Can anyone tell me from where can I purchase a copy of the CIA
> > report on UFOs that appeared some time last year.

<snipped>

I have had a copy of the CIA Report for quite some time.
IT is in the section called CIA & UFOS at

UFO Folklore at
http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/framemst.html



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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:23:49 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:43:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
>Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:48:51 -0800


> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:48:51 -0800


> >  From: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/30/98 > > 8:53 PM:
> >  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:57:00 +0000
> >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >  From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
> >  Subject: UFO UpDate: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

> >  Hi Larry Hi all

> >  One could venture that the reason for this that most people > > are
> >  to "involved" in their normal everyday lives during the day to
> >  notice anything unusual going on around them, thus at night > >  they
> >  have less to distract them so they are more likely to notice
> >  other more extraneous things.

I had not considered demographic changes.   As a baby
boomer, I was so busy with my keg-o-cyzer [ a lifting,
rolling and tapping exercise device ]  that the thought
eluded me.   There are several other explanations.

Seriously,  can we take all these various ( and sometimes
self-cancelling ) effects, and use them to explain a 20 to
25% drop in daytime sightings since the 1940-1950 era?

If so, fine.   Otherwise,  this is getting dull.

( Mark,  please forgive my brevity and snips.
  I appreciate your thoughtful responses. -LH )

- Larry Hatch.

PS:   No matter what I do, all of that horrid wasteful
junk re-appears at screen bottom.   We all appreciate
the good work out of Toronto.    It is (however) a drag
to remove all those slashes and stuff (below)  only
to have is slapped on again, like some Mexican
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               Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:12:57 -0800
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:36:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

> From: "Larry Hatch" <larryhat@jps.net>
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:23:49 -0800

> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
> >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:48:51 -0800

> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> > Subject: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings
> > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:48:51 -0800


> > >  From: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>, on 1/30/98 > > 8:53 PM:
> > >  Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:57:00 +0000
> > >  To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > >  From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
> > >  Subject: UFO UpDate: Project 1947: DAY/NIGHT - More *U* Findings

> Seriously,  can we take all these various ( and sometimes
> self-cancelling ) effects, and use them to explain a 20 to
> 25% drop in daytime sightings since the 1940-1950 era?

> - Larry Hatch.

Folks, I think there's one explanation that I haven't seen
discussed yet.  During the 1940's and 50's we were very involved
in WWII, involved in the mindset of bombers coming from the
skies.  Even though we never had to deal with heavy bombing here
domestically, it was never far from our minds I suspect.  In the
50's that was transformed into a fear of nuclear attack.  Perhaps
on some level people were watching the skies for incoming Russian
Nikes or something.  By the 60's this effect might have faded and
people turned their attention back to...TELEVISION!

It's a cultural thing...
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                        South-Central Colorado Update

From: "Christopher O'Brien" <tmv@pop.amigo.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:36:44 -7
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:59:29 -0500
Subject: South-Central Colorado Update

Hi All:

Seems the fireballs have returned to the mid-Rocky Mountain
Region. The following was put together by Tim Edwards.

Following are the Salida Colo. report, articles from the Denver
post and Rocky mountain news on the Jan. 27 events. As you can
see objects were reported at numerous differant times at multible
location ranging about 250 miles away and from noon Tues. and
then at various times that night.

How can meteors or debris keep hitting the same general area over
a 10 hour time-frame? A question I'm going to ask The Museum of
Natural History in Denver when I make a report. These are a
frequent event in Colorado

Getting a little esculation lately of reports and increased
miltary activity. My 17 year old daughter Laray was sitting in
the computer room tonight at 9:00 PM [1-27-98] when she viewed a
moon size ball of green light out of the south window[lights were
on in the room] for a couple of seconds moving at high speed and
disappearing to the southwest.

At the same time my wife's sister [Kathy Rauter] and her 4 kids
were driving to our house and viewed it down the road a half mile
to the south of our home. They also reported the same description
and said other people had to see it. No tail was observed by any
of the witnesses. They were extremely excited and some were
scared. I could tell by the reactions it was a major sighting.
They said it did not appear to be that far away. I just had got
off the computer and was upstairs reading a book so I missed the
action again. Laray also had viewed a green globe hovering and
then shooting down behind a ridge south of town this summer as
well as multible reports by locals of orbs hovering and moving at
high speed in the area.



Several report seeing its blazing path
By Stephanie Sylvester
Special to The Denver Post-1-28-98

BRECKENRIDGE-Several people saw a large fiery object trailed by a
plume of smoke crash to the ground near here about noon Tuesday.

"It was a fairly large object that was on fire with smoke that
was spiraling off the back of it," said Blue River Marshal Steve
Ford, who saw it from his car near Blue River Road and Highway 9.

My first thought was that it was a meteor."

Fork watched the object plummet more than a thousand feet.  He
lost sight of it at tree level.

"It was a vertical shot  toward the ground, and I'm sure it impacted
the ground," Ford said.

Leigh Pezzicara, a spokeswoman for the Breckenridge Ski Resort,
said several guests reported seeing a flare in the area of Peaks
5 and 6.  "However, we really can't confirm what it was," she
said.    The Summit County sheriff's office received two calls
about the possible meteor.

James Rickman, a spokesman at the Los Alamos National Laboratory,
said the scientific term for an object like the one described by
Breckenridge eyewitnesses is "daytime fireball."

Alma resident John Fisher was in Breckenridge when he spotted the
object.

According to Fisher, it created a visible trail that covered a
quarter of the sky from his vantage point as he drove north on
Highway 9 near the Breckenridge Building Center.

Although no one saw where the object landed, Ford believes it hit
near Good Pasture Tarn, just south of Breckenridge.  So far, no
agencies have launched a search for the object.

Bill Steigerwald, spokesman for NASA's Goddard Space Flight
Center in Maryland, said the center has received a unusually high
number of reported meteor sightings this year.

Steigerwald said if the Breckenridge sighting wasn't a meteor, it
could have been  "an airplane, a piece of space junk or some kind
of rocket test that went astray." But most space junk burns up in
the atmosphere, he said.



Rocky Mountain News-Denver Colo. 1-28-98
No Debries found from "flame ball"

RAWLINS,WYO.-Carbon County investigators have been unable to find
any debris associated with a "ball of flame" that reportedly
crashed into the ground near Hanna.

The ball of flame was reported after noon Tuesday by the pilot of
a passenger airline  "He said he had seen a ball of flame, which
we believe may have been a meteorite of space junk," said Jim
Patton of the Federal Svieation Administration. " He reported he
did get some turbulence from the object. He saw the debris and
felt the shock wave from it."

[***Tim Edwards Note-This must have been a big object hitting the
ground there and in Breckenridge at the same time Tues. They are
probally 200 miles apart. Object in Breckenridge was reported to
be very large. See yesterdays post. Very simular to the Colo.
Springs and front range report from Jan. 12 and numerous others
along the front range in the last 2 years. Tuesday's fireball
report was followed by the 9:00 PM sighting of the green globe by
numerous witnesses in Salida Colo.]



By Stephanie Sylvester
Special to The Denver Post
Jan. 30- BRECKENRIDGE -

Hours after a "daytime fireball'' was spotted streaking earthward
near Breckenridge Tuesday, several people reported another
flaming object south of town that night.

Breckenridge resident Jon Sperber was driving south on Main
Street about 10:45 p.m. when he and a friend saw a bluish-green
fireball streak east to west across the sky.

"It looked like an egg and was so bright that we could see smoke
behind it,'' Sperber said.

The object was so close, Sperber said, he thought it must have
landed up on Peak 9, near Beaver Run Resort.

He and his friend went to search for the apparent meteor, but to
no avail

"It turned out to be not as close as we thought it was,'' he
said. Mike Tukewicz was also heading south into Breckenridge on
Colorado 9 when he and his wife spotted the fireball.  His
description of the fiery object was similar to Sperber's except
that Tukewicz witnessed it at 8:45 p.m., roughly two hours
earlier than Sperber. "It was blue and glowing, with a hint of
orange Tukewicz said. "I must have seen it for a full  three
seconds before it either disappeared or  burned out.'  John and
Monique Berwyn also viewed the  fireball around 9 p.m. from their
home in  Summit Cove

"I thought it might have been an airplane going down, but my
husband said no, that's a  meteorite,'' Monique Berwyn said.

All of those who say they witnessed the fiery object were facing
almost due south and saw the fireball cross the sky from east to
west.

Sightings of the nighttime fireball began about  eight hours
after several witnesses said they saw a fiery object plummet from
the sky near Breckenridge around noon Tuesday.

Reports of the object, believed to be a meteor, have excited
scientists around the country.  "The key to this thing is the
smoke,'' said Doug Revelle at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
"That means it's very big.''

Although Revelle did not pick up any signals from an instrument
monitoring a broad range of frequencies in the air, he had not
yet received results from more finely tuned instruments.

The geology department at the Denver Museum of Natural History
also is investigating the apparent meteor.   While the staff is
still gathering information about the sightings, they are
planning to search for the object, said Bart Weis of the
department.

Weis urged anyone who spotted the daytime or nighttime fireballs
Tuesday to contact the Denver Museum of Natural History at
370-6445.

Interesting the way these fireballs keep dropping out of the thin
Rocky Mountain sky lately.

Anyone else think these report clusters are strange?

Thank you Tim for putting these articles and reports together...

chris


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