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                          UFO UpDates Mailing List
                                  Aug 1998

  Aug 1:

   Re: P-1947: Hynek on The Leveland, Texas, Sightings - Mark Cashman [27]
   Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957 - Mark Cashman [7]
   Assistance Request - Glenn Joyner [29]
   Recent Ufo Reports From Scotland - Dave Ledger [125]
   Assistance Request - Glenn Joyner [29]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Jerome Clark [49]
   UK Sky Watch - Tony Spurrier [8]
   Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957 - David Rudial [24]
   ELUFON Sightings Update - Roy Hale [25]
   David Adair & Credibility - Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto [281]
   Re: P-1947: Fort Itaipu, Brasil? - Larry Hatch [15]
   Re: Help Needed With Oz Case - John Hayes [24]
   Re: National Geographic's 'Return To Mars' - Larry Hatch [6]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - John Rimmer [42]
   Re: Assistance Request - John Hayes [28]
   Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957 - Larry Hatch [56]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #260 - Alfred Lehmberg [54]
   P-1947: Worth Reading - Jerome Clark [18]
   Re: Assistance Request - Larry Hatch [24]
   P-1947: Rodeghier's Vehicle Interference Catalog - Mark Rodeghier [14]
   P-1947: Historical Pennsylvania UFO Encounters - STAN GORDON [43]
   HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98 - Georgina Bruni [450]
   P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap? - Herb Taylor [23]
   Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & - Andy Denne - A.U.R.A.
   [35]
   Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957 - Jan Aldrich [46]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Jerome Clark [64]
   Re: BWW Media Alert 19980801 - Bufo Calvin [83]
   Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap? - Jan Aldrich [27]
   Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap? - Jerome Clark [13]
   Re: HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98 - Nick Humphries [18]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Jean van Gemert [7]
   Exciting Astrobiological Discovery - 'New - Stig Agermose [56]

  Aug 2:

   New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity - Stig Agermose [41]
   Re: Sheffield Flying Triangle Incident - Max Burns [9]
   Re: Assistance Request [Texas files included] - Larry Hatch [289]
   Splitting UFO [was : Kal! You're here!] - Bruce Maccabee [56]
   Worthy cause? Here's one! - Doc Barry [48]
   The Thoughts Of Chairman Bob - Jerome Clark [150]
   Re: David Adair & Credibility - Keith Woodard [6]
   Utah Crop Circles Still Under Question - Stig Agermose [119]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 31 - Joseph Trainor [411]
   Re: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 30 - Jacqueline Cosford [13]
   P-1947: UFOCAT - Jan Aldrich [22]
   Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & - Perry van den Brink -
   [UASR]> [6]
   P-1947: Re: UFOCAT - Ed Stewart [35]
   Re: P-1947: 957 - wave or IFO flap? - Ed Stewart [51]

  Aug 3:

   Re: Assistance Request - Glenn Joyner [32]
   Satellite - Greg St. PierreStrmNut@aol.com> [10]
   Obituary - Colman von Keviczky - Antonio Huneeus [148]
   Ford Files - Brookhaven Crash (Long Island, NY) - Moderator, UFO
   UpDates - Toronto [170]
   P-1947: 1957 - Wave or IFO flap? - Larry Hatch [78]
   Ford Files - 15-05-94 Lectures - Columbus, OH - Moderator, UFO UpDates
   - Toronto [295]
   NUFORC [UK] - Summer Seminar, Aug 8 '98 - Stephen Gamble [38]
   Of Flying Wings & Hover Cars - Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto [313]
   Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap? - Mark Cashman [12]
   P-1947: Ernest Volkman Penthouse Article - Jan Aldrich [56]
   Re: 'She Blinded Me with Science' - Sean Jones [13]
   Roswell I-beam Glyphics - Ignatius Graffeo [10]
   Chat with Joe Lewels, Ph.D. - Yvonne Hedenland [21]
   Lake Ontario Activity - Jennifer Jarvis [10]

  Aug 4:

   Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics - Kevin Randle [17]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Greg St. Pierre [51]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Greg Sandow [23]
   NASA Sticks to Mars Theory - Steven L. Wilson Sr [79]

  Aug 5:

   UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California? - Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
   [43]
   Re: Request for help! - Dave Ledger [21]
   FBI, DOD Sites Strip Away The Gloss - Stig Agermose [97]
   Re: NASA Sticks to Mars Theory - Scott Carr [13]
   Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs - Dave Ledger [45]
   NASA Intensifies Quest For The Origins Of Life - Stig Agermose [182]
   UFO over Sydney, Australia - Leanne Martin [20]
   Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics - Ignatius Graffeo [19]
   Phil Klass vs. the "UFO Promoters" - Jean van Gemert [8]
   Mini-Conference In Staffordshire, UK - Tim Matthews [32]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #261 - Alfred Lehmberg [80]
   Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957 - David Rudiak [308]
   Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs - Alfred Lehmberg [14]
   Cattle Mutilation in UK - 1968 - Tim Matthews [36]
   P-1947: Hovering UFO Frightens Pensylvania Woman - Stan Gordon [38]
   Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs - Nick Balaskas [34]
   Story Revised - UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California? - Jeff Rense [73]
   P&SS To Move To RAF Henlow - Tim Matthews [24]
   Re: Request for help! - Cheyne Conrad [13]
   Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs - Alfred Lehmberg [10]
   Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics - Nick Balaskas [18]
   UFO Websites (Especially MUFON) - Joel Henry [24]
   Letter to Scientific American - 12-18-1886 - Moderator, UFO UpDates
   [60]
   Tracy 'UFO' - Mike Jamieson [20]
   UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage - Stig Agermose [75]
   Helicopters Today - Greg St. Pierre [20]
   DISPATCH # 99 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope - ParaScope@AOL.COM
   [117]

  Aug 6:

   Pioneer 10 Calls Home - Stig Agermose [31]
   Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs - John Rimmer [43]
   Re: Helicopters Today - Larry Hatch [11]
   Scripps Howard on Area 51 And Cheyenne Mountain - Stig Agermose [49]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Mark Cashman [134]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Rob Irving [25]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - "Jerome Clark" [37]
   Re: Helicopters Today - Greg St. Pierre [13]
   Filer's Files #31 - Majorstar@aol.com [286]
   Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs - Mark Cashman [20]

  Aug 7:

   Re: Helicopters Today - Larry Hatch [4]
   Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs - Greg St. Pierre [31]
   Marree Man - Strange Magazine Report - Steven L. Wilson Sr [17]
   17th Leeds International UFO Conference [UK] - Graham William Birdsall
   [123]
   Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California? - "C. Fort" - [non-subscriber]
   [21]
   World'S Largest Artwork Is Still A Mystery - Doc Barry [31]
   Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California? - Jeff Rense [16]
   UFOMIND Page for 'World's Largest Artwork' - Doc Barry [21]
   French Newstand UFO Magazine - Jan Aldrich [39]
   Expedition To Tian-Shan - Nikolay V. Subbotin [14]
   Citadel in the Rockies and Star Wars - Stig Agermose [96]
   Corn Detectives Flock To The Great Who Dunnit - Stig Agermose [85]

  Aug 8:

   C-E: Fairfax, VA UFO Report, August 1 - Kenny Young [34]
   P-1947: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element - Herb Taylor [26]
   P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element - Jerome Clark [26]
   P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element - Edoardo Russo
   [12]
   P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element - Jerome Clark [15]

  Aug 9:

   Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage - Diane Harrison [8]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #262 - Alfred Lehmberg [74]
   Guest speaker on undernet #ufo - Steven L. Wilson Sr [108]
   Re: P-1947: Critical thinking - the missing element - bruce maccabee
   [9]
   Patriarch Warns Against Seeking Contact - Stig Agermose
   <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk [48]
   New Letter From Jerry Black to Whitley Strieber - Glenn Joyner [160]
   Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jeroen Jansen [16]
   Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs - Bruce Maccabee [21]
   Russian UFO Expedition Set for Tian-Shan - Nikolay V. Subbotin - RUFORS
   [21]
   Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine - Bruno Mancusi [14]
   Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage - Stig Agermose [5]
   Re: P-1947: Critical thinking - the missing element - "Serge Salvaille"
   [33]
   Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine - Alex Franz - ALCIONE [23]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Dave Vetterick [91]

  Aug 10:

   Russian 'Roswell' - Subbotin And Bachurin Elaborate - Stig Agermose
   [102]
   Further Info On SETI's Home PC Project - Stig Agermose [132]
   Area 51 Has Maybe More Than A Thousand Employees - Stig Agermose [54]
   UFO Interpretation Is A Many-Sided Thing - Stig Agermose [224]
   UFO ROUNDUP Volume 3, Number 32 - Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
   [386]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jim Deardorff [33]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - "Ted Viens" [65]
   UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence - Moderator, UFO UpDates [703]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Kevin Randle [31]
   Re: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. [42]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Dave Vetterick [56]
   Re: UFO Interpretation Is A Many-Sided Thing - John Velez [35]
   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence - Tim Matthews [48]

  Aug 11:

   Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Moderator, UFO UpDates -
   Toronto [382]
   SETI Hires Ad Agency To Explore Its Public Image - Stig Agermose [89]
   UFO Entries Include Reports From Utah - Stig Agermose [49]
   Bigelow Gives First Interview On UFO Pursuit - Stig Agermose [139]
   'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ - Stig Agermose [13]
   Press Report On Tracy 'UFO Crash' - Stig Agermose [46]
   Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs - Greg St. Pierre [33]
   Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity - Stig Agermose [37]
   Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains Of Activity - Stig Agermose [111]
   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence - Bob Young [17]
   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence - Larry Hatch [14]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Kevin Randle [39]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jim Deardorff [73]
   Mars Global Surveyor - Antenna Problems? - Steven L. Wilson Sr [33]
   Agri-glyph Near Hubbard, Oregon - UpDates - Toronto [77]
   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence - Hilary Thomas [16]

  Aug 12:

   SERENDIP III - Still No Sign Of Alien Intelligence - Stig Agermose [16]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Paul Reischmann [48]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Kevin Randle [3]
   {93} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network - Lloyd Bayliss [418]
   Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana? - Robert Earle [13]
   Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him! - Kal K. Korff [84]
   Scientists Discuss Alien Intelligence - Stig Agermose [92]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jeroen Jansen [76]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Don West [49]
   {93} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network - Lloyd Bayliss [454]
   Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Temple - Kal K. Korff [21]
   C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise - Steven J. Dunn [59]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Moderator, UFO UpDates
   [105]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - James S. Mortellaro Jnr.
   [15]
   Phoenix March '97 UFO 'Scared Hell' Out Of F-15 - Moderator, UFO
   UpDates - Toronto [92]
   The Fort Worth Photographs [was: The Wit and - Neil Morris [59]
   Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him! - Jerome Clark [11]
   Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & - Jerry Cohen [37]
   Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him! - Jeff Westover [37]
   Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies - UpDates - Toronto [202]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #263 - Alfred Lehmberg [53]
   Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' Connection! - Kal K. Korff [95]
   Re: Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Templ - Jeroen Jansen [10]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Dennis Stacy [39]
   Meier on Having Kids - Kal K. Korff [182]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Kal K. Korff [154]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Keith Woodard [7]
   DISPATCH # 100 -- the weekly newsletter of - ParaScope@AOL.COM [106]

  Aug 13:

   Central Australian Mysterious Light Likened To - Stig Agermose [41]
   Illinois 1923 - Math Teacher Saw 'Spaceship' - Stig Agermose [65]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. [51]
   Purpose of Recent Billy Meier Postings - Kal K. Korff [27]
   Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' - Jerome Clark [46]
   Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercis - Bob Young [21]
   Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz, 08-12-98 - Glennys Mackay [26]
   Crop Circle 'Force' Improves Grain Genetically - Stig Agermose [43]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Andy Denne - A.U.R.A." [23]
   Nearly Completed Trans-en-Provence Paper - Mark Cashman [13]
   Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed' - Bruce Maccabee [1]
   Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise - Bruce Maccabee [9]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Dave Vetterick [56]
   Re: Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana? - Larry Hatch [17]
   Bill Cooper on the Alien Threat - Keith Woodard [43]
   Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special - Kal K. Korff [117]
   Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area? - Duane Foster [12]
   Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ - Stig Agermose [54]
   Cult Leader(s)...Billy Meier?....Pope? - Beverly Trout [6]
   Re: The Fort Worth Photographs - Bob Shell [8]
   Kal Korff - Please Identify the AF Roswell Lie - Keith Woodard [29]
   Re: - Michael Lawrence Morton [86]
   Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special - Keith Woodard [29]
   The Universal Foundation? - Karl T. Pflock [11]
   Re: Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies - Bruce Maccabee [14]
   Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - Tim Matthews [260]
   Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Kevin Randle [55]
   Re: Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area? - Skye Turell [9]
   Cobwebs and UFO Sightings in Australia - Stefan Duncan [5]

  Aug 14:

   'Resolving Rendlesham' - James Easton [68]
   Filer's Files #32 - George A. Filer [373]
   Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ - Diane Harrison [55]
   Review: 'How To Defend Yourself Against Alien - Stig Agermose [71]
   Seminar: 'Mysteries of the Skies '98', Largo, - Steven Kaeser [26]
   Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' - Kal K. Korff [144]
   Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Michael Lawrence Morton
   [86]
   Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special - Mark Cashman [12]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Mark Cashman [21]
   Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ - Mark Cashman [10]
   Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Brian Boldman [50]
   Bill Cooper on Art Bell's "bs" - Don Allen [106]
   A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage - Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. [17]
   Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen - Stig Agermose [58]
   Mars Meteorite Has No Sign of Life - Ignatius Graffeo [62]
   Re: 'Resolving Rendlesham' - Brian Straight [4]
   Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Mark Cashman [56]
   Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - Bruce Maccabee [29]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jeroen Jansen [76]
   Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part 2) - Nikolay V. Subbotin
   [305]
   Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage - James Bond Johnson [5]
   Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen - Tim Matthews [3]
   Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - Tim Matthews [37]
   Trindade Island - Philippe Piet van Putten [25]

  Aug 15:

   Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part - Brian Straight [8]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Larry Hatch [20]
   Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ - Brian Boldman [20]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Bruce Maccabee [13]
   Re: Roswell Debris Enhancements - Dave Vetterick [71]
   Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - "Jerome Clark" [10]
   Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special - Keith Woodard [8]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Susan Baldwin [5]
   Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part - Bruce Maccabee
   [12]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #264 - Alfred Lehmberg [58]
   Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - Bruce Maccabee [35]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - John Velez [42]
   BWW Media Alert 19980815 - Bufo Calvin [58]
   Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage - John Velez [17]
   Re: Calculations on 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona - Doc Barry
   <authority@webtv.net [42]

  Aug 16:

   Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth - Tim Matthews [37]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Brian Boldman [21]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Jim Deardorff [15]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Greg St. Pierre [23]
   UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year - Stig Agermose [50]
   Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics - Jim Deardorff [81]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Dave Vetterick [103]
   What 13 Meteorites Tell About Mars - Stig Agermose [95]
   Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - James Bond Johnson [13]
   Arizona Flyover 3/13/97 without Number Crunching - Doc Barry [6]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Perry Mick [11]
   Angel Hair Update - William Chalker [102]
   Chat with Members of SPSR - Yvonne Hedenland [20]
   Re: UFO*BC Updates- Sightings On The Radio - Donald Ledger [3]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Greg St. Pierre [29]
   Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona - Bob Young [10]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Mark Cashman [71]
   Re: UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year - Greg St. Pierre [4]
   Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer - Mark Cashman [62]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - William Hand [37]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Ted Viens [20]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Kevin Randle [66]
   UFO Seminar near Washington DC on August 22nd - Steven Kaeser [8]
   Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona - Doc Barry [12]

  Aug 17:

   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Larry Hatch [12]
   Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener - Kal K. Korff [140]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - Kal K. Korff [13]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - James Bond Johnson [75]
   Putnam County - Nuwaubian Commune Awaits Spaceship - Stig Agermose
   [114]
   Where is Macrihanish? - Henny van der Pluijm [17]
   Quirindi, New South Wales 'Angel Hair' - Diane Harrison [50]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - John Velez [83]
   More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - UpDates - Toronto [17]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - "Jeff Westover" [5]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Bob Shell [3]
   Keith Basterfield Network: Australia - Introduction - Diane Harrison
   [30]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Bob Shell [11]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - Bob Shell [8]
   Box Hill, Shockerwick & Rudloe Manor - Rod Howarth [309]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Brian Straight [16]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Steven Kaeser [4]
   Re: Where is Macrihanish? - Tim Matthews [21]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Jim Deardorff [67]
   Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection! - Jerome Clark [91]
   Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson - Kevin Randle [4]
   Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'Connection! - Mark Cashman [135]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 33 - Joseph Trainor [451]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Michael L. Morton
   [203]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Alex Field [7]
   Press Report From Seattle UFO Conference - Stig Agermose [79]
   Martian Meteorites: New Data Refute Old Theories - Stig Agermose [48]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Mark Cashman [112]
   A Tribute to Dr. J. Allen Hynek - Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo [30]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - Kevin Randle [117]

  Aug 18:

   Much UFO Activity in France - Stig Agermose [87]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Brian Boldman" [61]
   UFO Crash Near Banff, Alberta? - Tony Spurrier [10]
   BUFORA Lecture, London - Stephen Gamble [24]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Brian Straight [12]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Bob Shell [10]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Larry Hatch [24]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Jim Deardorff [18]

  Aug 19:

   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Ted Viens [6]
   Re: Keith Basterfield Network: Australia - - Bruce Maccabee [6]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Michael Lawrence
   Morton [18]
   Re: Much UFO Activity in France - Stig Agermose [6]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Michael L. Morton
   [59]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Dennis Stacy [12]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #265 - Alfred Lehmberg [59]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Greg Sandow [305]
   DISPATCH # 101 -- the weekly newsletter of - ParaScope@AOL.COM [90]
   Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo - David Rudiak [231]
   Re: Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz, - Allan Clayton [8]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Bob Shell [6]
   First 1998 Canadian Crop Circle Formation - Paul Anderson [37]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Mark Cashman [76]
   Project Hessdalen Has Installed Automatic Field - Stig Agermose [21]
   Upcoming NBC Special - Stig Agermose [12]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Dennis [5]
   Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise? - Brian Boldman [44]

  Aug 20:

   List Off-line Until Monday, Aug 24 - Moderator, UFO UpDates [3]

  Aug 24:

   Oz & NZ Authors, Books and Magazines - Diane Harrison [48]
   Friedman Lectures? - "Sharon Kardol" [7]
   Quirindi Angel Hair Case - Diane Harrison [295]
   Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97 - Brian Straight [9]
   Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements! - Bob Shell [10]
   Re: Corso Caught Out Again - Karl T. Pflock [66]
   Re: Upcoming NBC Special - John Velez [99]
   UK Abduction Support Groups - Roy Hale [9]
   Re: Filer's Files #33 - George A. Filer [357]
   BWWMA 19980822 - Bufo Calvin [50]
   Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc - Asgeir W=E6hre
   Skavhaug [133]
   Alien Implant Removals - Before and After Effects - Patricia Mason
   [264]
   Admiral Bobby Ray Inman - Kirk W. Fraser [11]
   Strange Craft In Ripley, Illinois - UFO UpDates - Toronto [46]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Steven Kaeser [18]
   Re: Friedman Lectures? - Dave Vetterick [2]
   UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo - Bill Oliver" [8]
   Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos - James Bond
   Johnson [10]
   Cheyenne Turner Passes - InfoBuds InfoCentral [80]
   P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - William E Jones [44]
   More Crop Circles in Saskatchewan - Paul Anderson [45]
   Triangle Observed By Locals & Police in Chile - Stig Agermose [30]
   P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Herb Taylor [19]
   Forged Reuters Dispatch Smears UFO Luminaries - Moderator, UFO UpDates
   - Toronto [233]
   P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Steven Kaeser [46]
   P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Ed Stewart [22]
   Reason For Optimism In ET Search - Scientist - Stig Agermose [67]
   Re: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Nick Humphries [49]

  Aug 25:

   Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo - Donald Ledger [4]
   Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations - Angela Shilling [94]
   Help Needed to Locate Article - Gary Alevy [13]
   Re: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Beverly Trout [67]
   Crop Circles Appear In Rothwell, Leeds - Stig Agermose [16]
   Re: Friedman Lectures? - chyren23@q-net.net.au [9]
   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Mark Cashman [63]
   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Jakes Louw [41]
   Re: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman - Bob Young [11]
   'Black Vault' Helped By Trading Card Set - Doc Barry [29]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Jakes Louw [4]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - "Asgeir Waehre
   Skavhaug" [7]
   P-1947: Article - 'Alien Cowboys' - John Stepkowski [90]
   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Donnie W. Shevlin [40]
   Triangle Wave Over Ardennes, France - Stig Agermose [65]
   C-E: McDonald Hand Written Material - Jan Aldrich [30]
   UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 34 - Joseph Trainor [414]
   P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s - John Stepkowski [113]
   Chinese Roswell? - Tina Coleman [5]
   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON - Tim Matthews [39]
   Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo - Jeff Rense [6]

  Aug 26:

   Re: P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s - Donald Ledger
   [10]
   Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK? - Tim Matthews [20]
   Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations - Larry Hatch [6]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Bruce Maccabee [19]
   Re: Help Needed to Locate Article - Tom Benson [7]
   Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Alex Franz [112]
   Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own - Stig Agermose [91]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Kevin Randle [4]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #266 - Alfred Lehmberg [72]
   Re: Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK? - Asgeir Waehre
   Skavhaug [11]
   P-1947: Eberhart's Geo-Bioliography in Print Again - Jan Aldrich [25]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Bruce Maccabee [4]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - bruce maccabee [78]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - David Furlotte [13]
   Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26 - Paul Anderson [32]
   Re: Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own - Mark Cashman [66]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Bruce Maccabee [18]
   Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations - Pamela Stonebrooke [12]

  Aug 27:

   UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp - Stig Agermose [72]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - James Bond Johnson [17]
   'Crop Circles' Game Site - Leanne Martin [9]
   Re: Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26 - Larry Hatch [13]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Leanne Martin [11]
   Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'? - Larry Hatch [27]
   'Government Should Release Data On UFOs' - Gerry Lovell [75]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Bruce Maccabee [14]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Steven Kaeser [6]
   1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting? - LADV57@aol.com [24]

  Aug 28:

   New Crop Formations In Manitoba - Chris Rutkowski [46]
   Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'? - Bob Shell [2]
   Michigantown, Indiana UFO Sighting - Kenny Young [85]
   Secret Military Base Inspires Curiosity, Theories - Gerry Lovell" [56]
   Using The Net To Search For Aliens - Gerry Lovell [118]
   Rendlesham - The Unresolved Mystery - Georgina Bruni [148]
   Art Bell In 'Anthrax' Scare - Gerry Lovell [90]
   Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & - "Serge Salvaille" [36]
   Filer's Files #34 - Gearge A. Filer [346]
   Re: The 'Ufology Archetype' - "Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo" [177]
   155 Points To Prove Existence Of Interplanetary - Stig Agermose [39]
   Lapeer Mich. - UFO Might Be A Plane Making Drug - Stig Agermose
   <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk [44]
   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences' - Greg Sandow [84]
   Science of UFOs Chat - Yvonne Hedenland [13]
   Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'? - Larry Hatch [6]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Alex Franz [50]
   Re: 1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting? - Larry Hatch [48]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Michael Christol [27]
   Frustration In The Fields - Gerry Lovell [23]
   No Evidence Meteor Hit Ground - Reno, NV - Gerry Lovell [16]
   Florida 'Landing' 1967-68? - Diane Lovett [16]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Asgeir Waehre
   Skavhaug [14]

  Aug 29:

   "What The Aliens Left Me" - Stig Agermose [63]
   Thousands In Internet Search For Aliens - Stig Agermose [126]
   Crop Circles: Messages From Beyond? - Stig Agermose [139]
   Nua Blather: Gubu Norge - Dave Walsh [387]
   Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp - Susan Baldwin [9]
   Burning Ball Lights Up Valley - Gerry Lovell [65]
   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Bruce Maccabe [13]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Greg St. Pierre [20]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Bruce Maccabee [10]
   {94} part 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [388]
   Vatican Man Puts Faith In ET And His Friends - Stig Agermose [43]
   {94} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [547]
   Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos - Ignatius Graffeo
   [11]
   (94) part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network - United Kingdom UFO Network
   [463]
   Alfred's Odd Ode #267 - Alfred Lehmberg [69]
   BWW Media Alert 19980829 - BufoCalvin@aol.com [48]
   Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union - Philip Mantle [36]
   Re: UFO UpDate: Friedman Lectures? - Allan Clayton [22]

  Aug 30:

   Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City - Asgeir Waehre
   Skavhaug [12]
   P-1947: MUFON Accomplishments - Larry Hatch [5]
   P-1947: MUFON -- Its Death - Greg Long [51]
   Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge! - Tim Matthews [164]
   Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Michel M. Deschamps [118]
   Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp - GT McCoy [11]
   The US Air Force, Anti-Gravitation And UFOs - Stig Agermose [55]
   Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union - James Bond Johnson [6]
   A Flash, A Cloud & An Imprint - Gerry Lovell [47]
   Chat with Ed Fouche - Yvonne Hedenland [18]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Alex Franz [46]
   MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #6 - Mark Pilkington [300]
   The Shape Of Mars Missions To Come - Stig Agermose [134]
   Article on Frances Emma Barwood - Frances Emma Barwood [123]
   Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Scott Carr [23]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Michael Christol [133]
   Re: Friedman Lectures? - Ron Decker [25]

  Aug 31:

   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Michael Christol [73]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Greg St. Pierre [32]
   Scientists Trying To Spot Aliens' Laser Flashes - Stig Agermose [137]
   Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68? - Mark Cashman [73]
   Re: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge! - Brian
   Cuthbertson [152]
   NASA's Protection Of Earth Against Alien Life - wanderer@post8.tele.dk
   [90]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Michael Christol [73]
   Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Scott Carr [27]
   Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68? - Mark Cashman [73]
   Re: Re: Friedman Lectures? - Sharon Kardol [8]
   Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp - Susan Baldwin [9]
   Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Serge Salvaille [10]
   Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68? - Diane Lovett [26]
   Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report? - Steven Kaeser [35]
   Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Donald Ledger [18]
   Can Satellite's Microwaves Cause Crop Circles? - Mark Cashman [76]
   Pointer To The Circles? - Gerry Lovell [81]
   '75 Sightings At Loring AFB? - Geoff G. Dittman [22]
   Lights Over Downtown Houston Not UFOs - Stig Agermose [76]
   Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint - Steven Kaeser [19]





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             Re: P-1947: Hynek on The Leveland, Texas, Sightings

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:12:50 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:14:30 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: Hynek on The Leveland, Texas, Sightings

> From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: P-1947: Hynek on The Leveland, Texas, Sightings
> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:02:24 -0700

> I've felt for a while that this is the single strongest case on
> record of what Mark Cashman calls the "Objectively Existing
> Hypothesis". Based on these reports, something mainstream
> science knows nothing of was definitely there.

> The repeated sequence: headlights off, engine dies, headlight
> on, car can start, I had not seen before. I had wondered how
> precisely we knew that the electrical interference was tightly
> correlated with the presence of the object or objects. My only
> concern is: do we have the reports/signed statements to back
> this up? Or could blanks have been 'filled-in' by Hynek's
> enthusiasm? I know he was a careful scientist, but this is so
> crucial I'd prefer not to depend on his infallibility.

Loren Gross published the press accounts and his transcriptions
of those accounts. I used that along with Hynek as the basis for
the catalog (as you'll see in the entries). So these sequences
are based on interviews by reporters with the witnesses.

This sequence, BTW, is a normal and frequently repeated
situation in vehicle interference cases. The 500+ cases in the
P47 EMEcat and the many in the BUFORA and CUFOS catalogs yet to
be added to that catalog also show this.

In some cases, the car fails and then the object is noted. This
puts paid to the debunker's "nervous foot theory". In other
cases, the object is engaged in "roadblock" behavior or
"stalker" behavior prior to the engine failure. The effect often
seems proportional to distance, but cannot be a general side
effect of UFO presence due to the many CEs where no interference
is observed.

> My other concern is the disparity in appearance between the
> "flaming torpedo" and the "huge egg".

Haines (1980) "Observing UFOs" has shown that the witness has
great difficulty in naming what they are seeing. My
interpretation is that the object was elliptical or "capsule"
(as in medicine) shaped.

You can see a possible shape at the correlated sightings page of
my website which includes "Levelland-class" object reports and a
photo from NY state which may be what people are seeing when
they describe the Levelland UFO.

        http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufocorr.htm

At least one case in the Levelland catalog seems to be the UFO
seen end on.

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              Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:26:19 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:07:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:04:25 -0400
> From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957
> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957
> >Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 02:04:41 -0400
> >To: updates@globalserve.net

> >This case, perhaps the most important concentration of vehicle
> >interference events in the United States, stands as a classic.

> Thanks for mentioning the Levalland sightings. Hope you didn't
> forget the "Sputnik Connection" (not that any of the witnesses
> saw Sputnik)

I actually didn't mention it, for no particularly conscious reason.
Maybe next update.

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                             Assistance Request

From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:30:25 -0400
Subject: Assistance Request

Greetings Errol and List Recipients:

I hope everyone is having better weather than we are in Dallas!
In my particular locale, we've had about a month of temperatures
in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit!  (Did you know that on a
summer day in Texas, a rattlesnake will turn into a belt before
it can get from one side of an asphalt road to the other? The
little ones turn into hat bands. - Glenn's Texas Tale #201.)

Okay, to business...

Because of a bit of a research project we're embarking on,
I need as many sighting reports as I can get from the period
of 1970 through 1975, specifically in the DFW/Dallas/Fort
Worth/North Texas area.

Unfortunately I'm no longer a member of MUFON, so that
avenue is probably closed to me.  Are there any websites or
organizations that I can contact or canvas which might have
such information cataloged for perusal?  If someone has a
database of Texas UFO sightings that would be an immeasurable
help!

If you can assist in this matter, even with individual reports
from the area/time line needed, feel free to e-mail me directly,
at:

infohead@airmail.net

Any and all help will be sincerely appreciated and earnestly
acknowledged.

Thanks in advance, and regards from the Land of Heat Stroke,

Glenn Joyner



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 in this world are but ingredients in the Karmic Bowl
 of Soup...   I am an onion.  -- infohead@airmail.net
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                      Recent Ufo Reports From Scotland

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:43:46 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:43:13 -0400
Subject: Recent Ufo Reports From Scotland

Greetings Errol and listmembers,

We thought we would forward some more recent sighting reports
that we have recieved through various sources, for any
researchers with an interest in Scotland's Ufo activity.

If any readers can add to, or corroborate any of the reports
listed,we would love to hear from them at the usual address.

Many thanks!........................Dave Ledger (Ufo Scotland)


UFOS ABOVE THE OCHILS?
Date: 19th of January 1998
Source: Malcolm Robinson & SPI.

A startling piece of video footage came into SPI's possession
recently, which claims to show some strange lights in the sky
above the Ochil Hills, this is a range of hills in
Clackmannanshire of which the hill Ben Cleuch near the town of
Alva, was the hill in question of which these strange lights
were filmed. Having studied the film, I can offer (for the first
time !!) no clear cut answer as to what these strange lights
are. Initially one is looking at one light, of which an unusual
bulge or secondary appendage appears to be attached to it's top
right hand structure. It then separates into two lights, then
again into three, making up a triangular pattern in the dark
night sky. Investigations at this stage have shown that no
aircraft or helicopters were in the sky at the time, the MoD
replied that they were aware of no aircraft activity, and the
police authorities also claim that no members of the public
called them to report this. I can confirm, that these lights
were spotted by many other people, but not specifically on the
main date in question which was the 19th of January. Strange
lights were reported by other people in the weeks previous and
the weeks after this initial sighting which was recorded by
video. The case is still open.

****************************************************************


Location: Livingston , West Lothian
Date: 6th Sept 97
Source: West Lothian Herald and Post.

Livingston , West Lothian: 6th Sept 97. Livingston has recently
been a hot bed ofunidentifled air traffic. A story appeared in
the local free paper concerning a ufo sighting which occurred at
approximately 11.30 pm on the 6th. Sept. 97.by a Dedridge couple
who managed to capture the ufo on video. The couple who wished
to remain anonymous,spent an hour watching a strange piercing
light. The video appears to show extremely high density lights
moving in unison over the Dechmont area( The scene of Bob
Taylor's famous encounter). The video also contains many visible
local landmarks and car lights can be seen as they drive along
the nearby motorway. The couple described the lights as seen
through binoculars as being inside soapy bubbles. Special thanks
to Dave Colman(SUPR) for this report.

****************************************************************


Location: Kirkcaldy,Fife.
Date: 15th Sept.97
Source: Witness Report.Thanks to D.Colman at SUPR.

The following report comes from a Kircaldy woman:

"On Thursday evening, at 7.55pm, something caught my eye out of
the window and when I looked, there was what appeared to be a
large black triangular shaped object with 3 lights( one of the
lights in the top corner was blue) in each corner, just the
other side of the trees. By the time I jumped to the window( my
fiance' with me) it was moving behind the trees to the left and
diagonally upwards. Unfortunately, my fiance' didn't see what I
had initially seen and all he could see was lights behind the
trees. It was moving fairly slowly and from first glance, until
it disappeared out of sight behind the next building, must have
been about 8-10 seconds."

****************************************************************


Location: Bathgate,West Lothian
Date: 16th Sept 97
Source: D.Colman at SUPR.

On the 16th of September 1997, two small boys were playing in
some fields close to their home in Bathgate,West Lothian. At
first the lads noticed a glow slightly over the horizon and
believing it to be a field on fire went to investigate. They
soon saw that the light was in the sky, slightly obscured by
clouds. They described the hazy light as an orange/yellow
pulsating light, moving extremely slowly over the Cairnpapple
monument North toward the giant Grangemouth re-finery. The
object tilted slightly as it moved and at times stopped
pulsating.One of the boys had said that its movements were like
a "constant beating of a heart... slowly."  When the object was
pulsating , a slight shape or outline could be seen.The craft
was described to be  "Cigar shaped with straight ends."    The
description of this object corresponds with other sighting
reports from around West Lothian and Fife.

****************************************************************


Location: Broxburn,West Lothian Date: March 1998(exact date
unknown) Source: Dave Colman & SUPR.

Miss Debbie Bryan witnessed an unusual sequence of lights close
to Broxburn, West Lothian. "As we were travelling from Newbridge
to Broxburn I noticed strange lights in the sky. A red light was
followed by a white light and then another white light, all in a
vertical line. the two red lights were flashing very quickly but
the white lights stayed on. We watched it from the Newbridge
roundabout to the arches (a large rail bridge) at Broxburn. When
we came through the arches the lights were still there for 10
seconds. Then there was 2 flashes like lightning in the sky and
the lights disappeared."

****************************************************************


Location: Hallglen,near Bonnybridge./Green loaning, near
Auchterarder. Date: 15/16 April98, 8.3Opm & 2.45 am. Source:
Dave Colman & SUPR.

Two friends, living a considerable distance apart both reported
strange objects in the sky on the night of 15/16 April98'.The
first report came from Hallglen close to Bonnybridge. At 8.3Opm,
a white abject which flickered blue and yeIlow, orange and green
was observed for 15 minutes. The object moved silently and
slowly across the sky.The second report concerned a similar type
object. On this occasion the object was sighted at 2.45 am. at
Green loaning, near Auchterarder. The object spotted was glowing
yellow, orange and red and was observed for aperiod of one hour
at approx. 3000ft.

****************************************************************


Location: Cardonald, Glasgow Date: March 30th. 1998 Source: Dave
Colman & SUPR.

On March 30th. 98' residents in Cardonald, Glasgow were
astonished to see a large spherical object hovering over the
area. West of Scotland ufo research group are investigating the
matter and report that the sphere may have had a hollow
centre.It was said that the sphere was ringed by pulsating blue,
red, green and white lights.One witness stated that "It was
flashing bright colours and it seemed to tilt around in the sky.
I rushed for my camera but by the time we found it, it had
disappeared behind clouds. It definitely wasn't a plane, we live
quite near the airport and we see them all the time. It was
beautiful, though I did feel weird at the time.

****************************************************************

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SCOTLAND" at: http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/dledger/index.htm
Reach us on ICQ #4851425
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                             Assistance Request

From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:30:13 -0400
Subject: Assistance Request

Greetings Errol and List Recipients:

I hope everyone is having better weather than we are in Dallas!
In my particular locale, we've had about a month of temperatures
in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit!  (Did you know that on a
summer day in Texas, a rattlesnake will turn into a belt before
it can get from one side of an asphalt road to the other? The
little ones turn into hat bands. - Glenn's Texas Tale #201.)
Okay, to business...

Because of a bit of a research project we're embarking on,
I need as many sighting reports as I can get from the period
of 1970 through 1975, specifically in the DFW/Dallas/Fort
Worth/North Texas area.

Unfortunately I'm no longer a member of MUFON, so that
avenue is probably closed to me.  Are there any websites or
organizations that I can contact or canvas which might have
such information cataloged for perusal?  If someone has a
database of Texas UFO sightings that would be an immeasurable
help!

If you can assist in this matter, even with individual reports
from the area/time line needed, feel free to e-mail me directly,
at:

infohead@airmail.net

Any and all help will be sincerely appreciated and earnestly
acknowledged.

Thanks in advance, and regards from the Land of Heat Stroke,

Glenn Joyner



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 in this world are but ingredients in the Karmic Bowl
 of Soup...   I am an onion.  -- infohead@airmail.net
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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 98 17:48:50 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:50:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:56:46 +0100
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
>Subject: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>>From: Mark Cashman ,mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:09:20 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>Mr Cashman notes that the Batelle study and a GEPAN study found
>that there *was* a difference between UFO reports which were
>subsequently identified and those which remained unidentified.
>Other researchers, e.g Hendry and Monnerie found otherwise.

I have not the slightest doubt that Mark will do his usual fine
job of cutting through the fog of obfuscation here, but allow me
to make a small point in the meantime. John apparently is
referring to Hendry's comments, in one of the less illuminating
chapters of an otherwise splendid volume, The UFO Handbook,
regarding the Battelle study. Analysts from the beginning (e.g.,
Leon Davidson) have noted that it practically proves the
existence of UFOs, in showing that UFOs and IFOs are distinctly
different categories of phenomena. My friend Allan Hendry, no
more a statistician than I am, tried to debunk this finding. Even
his then-wife, a Ph.D. astronomer, disagreed with him; see her
comments on Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14 in Chapter 11
of The Hynek UFO Report (which she ghostwrote).

Amusingly, when The UFO Handbook was published and widely praised
by ufologists, David Saunders, who WAS a statistician, was so
angered by Hendry's naive misuse of statistics -- and outraged by
ignorant ufologists' apparent endorsement of the resulting errors
-- that he abandoned active participation in the field, on the
ground that if this represented its standards, it wasn't worth
his time.

>The
>real problem with Mr Cashman's approach is that he seems to have
>decided in advance what a "UFO" is: "metallic, structured,
>contains occupants", claiming that these may be safely removed
>from the class of reports which might be explained as
>misinterpretations of natural phenomena. I am not so sanguine
>about this, perticularly if the original sighting triggers
>psychological reaction in the percipient. This need not
>necessarily be one of panic, although as Hendry has shown this
>can induce remarkable reports.

This is a serious misrepresentation of Hendry's views, which were
not PSH friendly, however much Rimmer would like us to believe
otherwise. Allan, whom I knew well and whose writings also make
clear, believed -- quite sensibly -- that the "UFO" reports most
easily explained were the least complicated ones, most frequently
of nocturnal lights. It was his conviction, based on
considerable investigative experience, that the most difficult to
explain were sightings of metallic, structured objects seen at
reasonably close range and under good viewing conditions.

Unlike John and other members of the PSH Church Militant, Hendry
did not take the smug view that any description otherwise
unexplainable must have arisen out of some purely speculative
(undemonstrated and unfalsifiable) "psychological reaction in the
percipient." Just as justifiably, one could dismiss Rimmer's
views as merely a "psychological reaction" to things that make
him uncomfortable. We could then go on to speculate, without
evidence, about what it is that causes John to hold such clearly
misguided beliefs. And we could do this using the same logic and
the same principles PSHers habitually employ.

>The fact that the concept of the
>extraterrestrial UFO exists, allows percipients to immediately
>place a puzzling experience into a acceptable context.

Since as a general rule witnesses do not "immediately" jump to
that conclusion, this statement is, well, about as perceptive as
we have come to expect from PSHers.

>Mr Cashman also has a great deal more faith than I do in the
>capabilities of investigators:

And apparently John has a great deal more faith than I do in the
capabilities of the noninvestigators who fill Magonia's pages.
Me, I'd take one Walt Webb, or one Ted Phillips, or one Bill
Weitzel, or one James McDonald, or one Mark Cashman, or one Allan
Hendry over a thousand PSHers. Any day.

Cheers,

Jerry Clark








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                                UK Sky Watch

From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:15:34 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:51:46 -0400
Subject: UK Sky Watch

On Saturday 8th August 1998 PHUFON and Hertfordshire UFO Research
will be joining togther for a UK north / south sky watch. Would
any other UK based groups like to join in so we can cover
different areas over the UK at the same time. Any sightings can
then be reported here on Updates.

For further information either email me on TSpurrier@compuserve.com
or Rory on PHUFON@compuserve.com

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              Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

From: David Rudial <DRudiak@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:12:57 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:45:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:04:25 -0400
>Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:30:01 -0400
>Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>Thanks for mentioning the Levalland sightings. Hope you didn't
>forget the "Sputnik Connection" (not that any of the witnesses
>saw Sputnik)

Reminds me of a debate I had on Usenet a few years ago with a
retired DOE employee debunker who went by the pseudonym of
"George Smiley."  With regards to the Levelland cases, I wrote
that they followed the launching of Sputnik II by just a few
hours.  "Smiley" came back at me with the crack that historically
Sputnik II was launched on November 3, not on November 2 when the
Levelland cases began.

Unfortunately for G.S., he forgot that the Nov. 3 date was Soviet
time.  When time zone changes were taken into account, the launch
date was indeed Nov. 2 in the West, and just a few hours before
Levelland, just as I originally said.
At least Smiley had enough class to apologize for his mistake.

That this extraordinary UFO flap started just after Sputnik does
indeed seem to be more than just coincidence.  We should also
remember, that in addition to the car stallings in Levelland and
elsewhere, there were also widespread reports of a strange moving
radio signal similar to but not the same as Sputnik, and even
photographic evidence that came from a South American observatory
of something that seemed to be paralleling the course of
Sputnik.

It wasn't just passive debris, like the third stage of the launch
rocket, since at one point, the light track changed course,
before resuming a parallel track.

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                           ELUFON Sightings Update

From: Roy Hale <roy_hale@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:19:40 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:41:42 -0400
Subject: ELUFON Sightings Update

>From roy_hale@yahoo.com.uk

Just to update you on the Vauxhall Sighting Central London:

It now seems that there were 2 different, sightings on the night
by the same witnesses.

1). 1st object: White Ball seen swaying across the sky, heading
East, very intense bright white in colour.

2). 2nd Object(s): Seen directly after the first, sighting
objects were low approx 30FT in the air and were seen to be
drifting in and out of the houses. Objects were described as
"Boomerang shaped yellow gold  bright colour".

The two boomerang objects seemed to "Sway in and out of each
other" but without making contact.

London City Airport, were contacted to see if any flights were
on, we were told that flights from City airport resume at
4:30am. So no local flights were up. Apparently I have since
been informed, that two objects were reported on the TV
networks, but was unlucky enough not to see this film.

Did anyone see this on TV ?. If so please contact me on the
above address.

This is the second time, in two months I have had reports of
Boomerang shaped objects, time for a change in shape I hear my
beautiful,from a far distant place freinds Say.

As my great ET Contact would always tell me:
"Remember always watch the quiet ones ?".





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                          David Adair & Credibility

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Sat, Aug 1 1998 10:48:42 - 0500 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:48:28 -0400
Subject: David Adair & Credibility


A message (the last one, below) from Bill Colburn <rrgp@pnet.net>
triggered recall of a couple of threads from last year that need
to be revisited.

I've strung a series of messages together below to jog memories
and introduce newcomers to some bytes past:

Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:24:15 -0700
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Geoff Price <Geoff@CalibanMW.com>
Subject: David Adair (CSETI witness)

I stumbled across an interview with David Adair in the current
"Whole Life Times" (May '97, available at my local grocery
store.) While details on the CSETI briefing in April have been
in short supply to date, Adair appears to be a primary witness
who has gone public. I've recounted the key parts of his story
below. At the moment, I'm unable to independently verify Adair's
background, and didn't find existing references to him on the
net (aside from this context). Is Adair a known character? It
would be nice to have some more information on this fellow.

According to his bio, David Adair built his first rocket when he
was 11, and at 17 won an award for "The Most Outstanding in the
Field of Engineering Sciences" from the U.S. Air Force for his
construction of a 10-foot tall, half-ton missile that set the
fastest speed record of any missile flown at the time. (This was
built with the help of his father who was a mechanic for Nascar
and had access to a huge, state-of-the-art machine shop and
technicians. He ran into troubles with the math early on, and
allegedly his work was sent on to none other than Stephen
Hawking for assistance.)

Adair's endeavors attracted the attention of the military. At
this point I'll let Adair speak for himself, as we proceed
directly to DreamLand:

"When my rocket landed, they gave pre-set coordinates and it
came down in the desert about 120 miles north of Las Vegas. I
thought it would be lost but there's a giant 30-40,000-acre Air
Force Base that's not on the map, called Area 51. They took me
to one of the hangars, floor dropped out from under us, and a
huge elevator took us down into a cavern facility underground to
see this engine.

"The vision was remarkable in its design and construction. It
looked nothing like what we have even today. The alloys were
really strange, almost transparent -- so strong I could stand on
it and it would not give. When I touched it, it felt like a
woman's skin, so incredibly soft, smooth and extremely hard.
Very unusual alloy casting, it wasn't even like titanium or
other hard metals..... It was covered with heiroglyphics which I
memorized. The entire engine was damaged all the way around and
the center was incinerated..... With this kind of engine you use
plasma physics and your running temperature is at 100 million
degrees C, hotter than the sun. They wanted to know how to get
the power flows and conversion things working. ...

"Then it dawned on me. They said that this was their engine and
I thought, "Why am I having to explain how your engine works to
you?" ... That's when they got upset and jerked me out of that
room. They kept me in this room for 10 hours with no windows or
doors. Finally, (Gen.) Curtis Lemay came in and took me home."

Speaking about the CSETI briefings: "The other witnesses they
have were all former Air Force people. They saw pictures or they
saw radar blips. No one ever saw real hardware pulled into a
secret military base like I did. So, obviously they wanted to
hear what I had to say. There were about 12 of us invited to
testify, all ex-military except for one woman who was ex-NASA."

Another witness was an attorney out of Nashville named Steve
Lovkin, who while in the army reportedly worked in the Pentagon
in inscriptions and secret coding, and elsewhere is described as
a military aide who regularly briefed President Eisenhower on
UFO evidence and developments. Recounting his meeting of Lovkin
at the CSETI briefings, Adair states, "They brought these pieces
of metal in [to Lovkin at the Pentagon] and said the pieces were
from a crashed UFO. They couldn't decipher the emblems on them.
While Steve was talking I was sitting next to him, and I'd never
met the man in my life and I sat there and sketched out the
emblems that I'd seen. I said, 'Steve, did they look like this?'
and the man almost fainted at the microphone. I got 12 out of
12. I said, 'I think what you saw at the Pentagon came off the
engine that I saw.'

"So that got the senators and congressman fired up. How could I
possibly hit so many correct? That was a high point because it
threw credibility back into my corner."

I would be remiss if I failed to pass on other remarkable
comments from Adair. With regards to his ideas for 'rocket
science' as a child, these "started coming through dreams early
on, at age seven..... At first they were just random, then a
little more frequent. Then the dreams started following a
sequential order -- I would dream about something I was working
on and I'd get to a point where I really couldn't figure out
what to do and then I'd get a dream and the next day I would
know how to do it." When Hawking looked at his equations and
asked him where he got his information, "I told him from dreams,
and he said if I had answered any other way I would have lost
all credibility."

Adair also argues, similar (apparently) to Col. Philip Corso in
his new UFO conspiracy blockbuster "The Day After Roswell", that
some or much of the modern technological boom has been spurred
by the captured ET artefacts. He talks about sweeping cover-ups
in NASA. He seems to be making himself available on the lecture
circuit. The only contact information provided is a phone number
for his "Need to Know" conference bookers at 310-669-4806.

Any more info on this one out there?

--
Geoff Price
Geoff@CalibanMW.com

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From: Bill Hamilton <bhamilto@pcshs.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 08:39:43 -0700
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: CSETI 'Witness' - David Adair
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


To Robert and all,

Last Saturday and Sunday I was in San Diego and met Dave Adair
at the Whole Life Expo. I stayed and listed to his 2-hour talk.
Very interesting.

He says he still has experiments going up in shuttles and
contracts with the European Space Agency. These are points from
which to start a background check as he emphatically said he
does not and has not worked for NASA.

During his talk, I had trouble with the following claims:

1) He put pressure on a senator or congressman (I forget who this was) to
obtain a 1.1 million dollar grant to build his rocket.

2) He actually obtained the money and built a "fusion
containment" engine in 1971 at the age of 17!(Born in 1954 and
is now 43) That he did work out equations on a board that were
similar to those of Steven Hawking and met with Steven who told
him that some of this math came to him (SH) in dreams as well.

3) That, at the age of 17, he was allowed to ignite and fly this
fusion rocket from White Sands Missile Range in NM aimed at Area
51 in Nevada. That it worked the first time without prior
testing. That a famous rocket scientist (...Rudolph) attended
this momentous rocket test. That 9 Men-In-Black disembarked from
a Black Airplane and flew him to Area 51 and that, once there,
he entered the secure underground facility through a hangar
where they took him to a special room to see an advanced Ferrari
model of his fusion engine evidently manufactured by an alien
culture!

David is an intelligent, entertaining speaker, but these, like
other claims that have come before, are extraordinary claims and
either David's credibility needs immediate support or we have
just another anecdotal story.


Bill Hamilton
Executive Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL
Home e-mail: billh46088@aol.com, starmanbh@aol.com
Work e-mail: bhamilto@pcshs.com
SKYWATCH website: http://www.wic.net/colonel/ufopage.htm
ALIEN MAGIC website: http://members.aol.com/billh46088/newhome.htm

"It is easier to ridicule than investigate,
but not as profitable" - Alan

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To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: CSETI 'Witness' - David Adair
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:19:36 -0700

>From: Bill Hamilton <bhamilto@pcshs.com>
>Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 08:39:43 -0700
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: CSETI 'Witness' - David Adair
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>2) He actually obtained the money and built a "fusion
>containment" engine in 1971 at the age of 17!(Born in 1954 and
>is now 43) That he did work out equations on a board that were
>similar to those of Steven Hawking and met with Steven who
>told him that some of this math came to him (SH) in dreams as
>well.

There are no fusion engines now, and there were none in 1971. So
far, fusion reactions on the order of seconds get scientists
excited, and there's a lot more engineering than "math"
involved. Multi-million dollar projects are the norm in that
field, so it seems pretty improbable that a 17 year old would
obtain such money as a grant.

At what university does he claim this device was built? Who
worked on it as project engineer? What firm did the
construction?

What journal published his research paper on this? Whose prior
work was the basis for this "engine"?

What work has he done since and where was it published?

>3) That, at the age of 17, he was allowed to ignite and fly
>this fusion rocket from White Sands Missile Range in NM aimed
>at Area 51 in Nevada. That it >worked the first time without
>prior testing.

See above. There are no fusion engines, therefore there are no
fusion rockets. Fusion reactions even of the order currently
generated require enormous machines with enormous electrical
energy to generate the containment, and massive particle
accelerators or laser systems to cause the fusion reaction to
occur.

Such systems are far to heavy to fly.

One should smell a rat with the "it worked the first time
without prior testing".

That's highly unlikely with a piece of software, and even more
unlikely with a piece of emergent engineering.

>That a famous rocket scientist (...Rudolph) attended this
>momentous rocket test. That 9 Men-In-Black disembarked from a
>Black Airplane and flew him to Area 51 and that, once there, he
>entered the secure underground facility through a hangar where
>they took him to a special room to see an advanced Ferrari model
>of his fusion engine evidently manufactured by an alien culture!

How can one determine that an artifact is created by an alien
culture? First it would need to use principles incomprehensible
to us, not be "an advanced Ferrari model of his fusion engine",
and it would need to be made of unknown materials or materials
with an unusual isotopic balance (which would require something
like mass spectroscopy to determine - it doesn't sound like he
used any methods to determine "alien" origin).

>David is an intelligent, entertaining speaker, but these, like
>other claims that have come before, are extraordinary claims
>and either David's credibility needs immediate support or we
>have just another anecdotal story.

His story doesn't sound very credible. Unfortunately, it sounds
about as credible as the material at the CSETI website, and puts
another nail in the coffin ofgetting Congress interested in
UFOlogy as a serious discipline.

In fact, the story sounds like the usual crank material:

The "witness" claims to have invented a revolutionary machine
using math from a dream. He met and spoke intimately with famous
people who agreed that what he had done was revolutionary. His
work was so important that it came to the attention of high
government officials, who needed his help to figure out an alien
power plant based on (surprise) the same revolutionary
principles that came to him in his dream.

But, somehow, no one else (except Stephen Greer) ever heard of
him. His machine has vanished from the face of the earth in the
intervening 26 years. I suspect it will be found he has done no
work in the field leading up to 1971 and none since.

-------
Mark Cashman, creator of the Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/5623/
Original digital art, writing and UFO research
mcashman@ix.netcom.com

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To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: Rebecca Rants
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:06:47 -0700


>From: Rebecca Keith <XianneKei@aol.com>
>Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:19:33 -0400 (EDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Rebecca Rants

>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>From: Don Allen <dona@totcon.com>
>>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
>>Subject: Re: Rebecca Rants

>I know there are definitely some who I consider to be outright
>charlatans and mystics and I don't like being associated with
>them. Have you noticed the way UFO "buffs" are portrayed in the
>movies? Have you seen "Contact," "Independence Day," or "Strange
>Days?" I don't like being identified with a group of people like
>those portrayed there. I'm certainly no scholar, but I'm not
>stupid either -- and I don't like being thought of as someone
>who wears a propellor beanie or builds landing pads. I don't
>like associating with people who claim to read Vegan. Or those
>who ...

You don't have to be a scholar to be validly interested in UFOs.
After all even non-scientists are interested in computers and
astronomy and biology. But to feel that even reading about the
stuff puts you in the class you mention is certainly pervasive.
I am sure that it at least partly puts off interested
scientists, who might otherwise read the literature.

Can you imagine a professor of physics walking into his local
Borders or Barnes and Noble, and scanning the UFO section (right
next to the astrology and magic section)? All he needs is for
his department head to walk in and see him reading that stuff
Though it's probably more of a visceral fearof association that
keeps him away rather than any concrete concern.

>How does the field correct this? How do serious researchers (or
>those even seriously interested in learning about UFOs) extract
>themselves from the people in this field who make wild,
>unsubstantiated claims?

I wish I knew. I suppose carefully reasoned letters to the
editor, press releases about serious investigative and
analytical efforts, and real press conferences of substance, and
some peer review for the regular conferences to keep the
Pleiadians out...

>Mark, you also make excellent points about evidence. Apparently
>there is a lot of evidence to suggest something unusual is going
>on. I think somewhere you mentioned about Ted Phillips'
>thousands of physical trace cases and I know you are aware of
>the EM effects evidece, and John Schuessler has a pretty good
>collection of medical evidence; however, much of it seems to be
>undocumented -- though, I know there is some good evidence to
>suggest medical evidence.

Yes, the medical evidence is pretty interesting - I've been
doing some studies along those lines. The most difficult part
there is getting medical records, which witnesses rightly feel
should be kept confidential.

And yes, there are lots of credible trace and effect cases in
every category.

What I'd like to see for headlines are things like - "X-ray
experiments on plants confirm Trans-en-Provence UFO emitted
X-rays" or "6 UFO landing cases found with weights in the tens
of tons".

But the only way that's going to happen is when credible
researchers announce credible results which will withstand
skeptical scrutiny. We don't have to have all of these results
published in mainstream scientific journals, but results like
these in the MUFON journal, with a press release and an AP
story, pre-peer reviewed within the UFO community by QUALIFIED
scientists... this would certainly help to offset the negative
press we seem to get and perhaps deserve.

>Maybe we are to blame for not making people more aware of this
>evidence. We seem to get bogged down in the flashy claims -- the
>implant removals, the alien artifacts, the crash retrievals. But
>it appears that it's these flashy claims that people want to
>know and hear about. It's big news when a mile long ET vehicle
>is stranded over Phoenix and thousands of people see it. It's
>big news when an anonymous man gives a rock he claims came from
>the Roswell crash to the Alien Hunter [TM]. It's big news when
>an anonymous cameraman films an alien autopsy and sells said
>film to a man looking for Elvis footage. Or what about this
>alien interview footage -- everyone seems curious about that.
>Or.... well, you get the picture. The general public obviously
>doesn't care for evidence, they want to hear Robet Dean tell
>about a book that he allegedly saw. Or David Adair talk about
>his dealings with NASA when he was 17 years old. Or....

Yes, but these people are also relentless publicists. We need to
have our journal editors be equally relentless publicists for
the positive view of UFOs by calling the attention of the press
community to positive articles in their journals, by refusing
the less-than-credible classifieds, etc.

>It's all very discouraging to me. However, I was somewhat
>encouraged by everyone's response to my question until I read:

>From: Ted Viens <drtedv@smart1.net>

<snip>

>Either Ted was being really sarcastic or anyone who questions
>is a naysayer, not just any naysayer either -- an arrogant
>naysayer.

If you walk the objective middle line, the believers will revile
you for not accepting incredible unsubstantiated claims, and the
debunkers will revile you for even paying attention to the
subject. But the other people, who are what I call "friendly
skeptics" - people who look at new claims with a skeptical but
friendly eye, willing to accept positive proof, and even seeking
it, while being prepared to discount what can't be substantiated
- those people will admire you.

-------
Mark Cashman, creator of the Temporal Doorway at
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/5623/
http://www.infohaus.com/access/by-seller/The_Temporal_Doorway_Storefront
Original digital art, writing and UFO research
mcashman@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:30:27 -0700
From: Bill Colburn <rrgp@pnet.net>
To: updates@globalserve.net
Subject: David Adair

Just surfing around and found this site which contains many
references to this huxter.

I am a propulsion engineer and I can tell you with great
certainty that David is NOT a propulsion specialist or "rocket
scientist" as he is so often labeled. He knows virtually
_nothing_ about propulsion systems save a few buzz words that he
consistantly uses incorrectly.

He in fact makes exactly the same mistakes as made on "Extreme
Machines" and the Discovery"s excellent series on Rockets! He
couldn't be doing last minute cramming now could he? Mistakes
and all?

I know this is old hat information now, but this guy is so far
out in misrepresenting himself that it deserves to be brought to
light once again.

Bill Colburn






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                      Re: P-1947: Fort Itaipu, Brasil?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 02:20:12 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:21:28 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: Fort Itaipu, Brasil?


> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:19:55 -0500
> From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net>
> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: P-1947: Fort Itaipu, Brasil?

> > From: Zuzu <lydia.ribeiro@infolink.com.br>
> > To: <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: P-1947: Fort Itaipu, Brasil?

> > Dear Friends,

> > Itaipu is a very beautiful beach near Niter=F3i, in Rio de Janeiro
> > State, near Rio de Janeiro City. It's a place that people from
> > Rio de Janeiro use fo their weekends. It is not a big city. It
> > is much a touristic city.

> > Its coastline is beautiful and there is a good place for
> > sea-sports liker sailing, swimming  etc.

> I say, all on this list should go to Itaipu for an in-depth
> analysis of the 1957 incident and, perhaps, get in some water
> sports. Now this is the place to do some ufology work. :)

As I pointed out in a post to a different email list, Brazil is
full of Itaipus.

The famous incident was at FORT Itaipu, now believed to be the
one near the Beach, Hill, Station etc. all of the same name;
quite near Santos (one of 50 Santos') on the coast to the
southeast of Sao Paolo in S.P. state.

Again, I cringe at the fact that so many 'researchers' will
throw away one of the two UNDENIABLE pieces of data in a UFO
sighting event.... the exact and unambiguous LOCATION.

The other piece of information is the date and time of course.

If reporters plays free and easy with these solid and easily
verifiable data, how can we possibly trust them with the
more controversial aspects of the events?





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                        Re: Help Needed With Oz Case

From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:00:56 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:34:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Help Needed With Oz Case


>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:42:05 +0100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Sean Jones <Tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Help Needed

>Hi Errol Hi All

>I have just been passed the scant details of a believed abduction
>in Australia. Can anyone help me with a contact address snail or
>electronic for a researcher who could follow this up please.

I have no knowledge of the group below but you could try the following:

AUSTRALIAN UFO ENCOUNTERS
PO BOX 642
Parramatta
NSW

E-Mail: eagle1@flex.com.au
WWW: http://www.flex.com.au/~eagle1/

Robert Marx and Matthew Favaloro are professional hypnotherapists
and long standing UFO researchers. Currently they co-ordinate
"Australia UFO Encounters"

If the above is not of any help try looking at:

http://ufoinfo.com/organizations/org_oz.shtml

for a list of Australian UFO groups as it's probably a bit too
long to post here with almost 40 groups listed (Let me know if
you think otherwise Errol [I think it would be useful to do
so--ebk]). This list includes several well known names plus other
'abductee' related sites.

Hope this helps.


John Hayes

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                 Re: National Geographic's 'Return To Mars'

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:36:26 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:25:14 -0400
Subject: Re: National Geographic's 'Return To Mars'


>From: Mark LeCuyer <randydan@wavetech.net>
>To: "UFO UpDates Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Return To Mars
>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:28:51 -0500

>Hello Everyone:

>If you haven't heard, National Geographic now has the Return To
>Mars on their website:

>http://www.nationalgeographic.com/features/98/mars/

>Explore the surface of Mars from the comfort of your home, with
>National Geographic's Return to Mars. See 3D photos of the
>surface of Mars, and then hop in the Virtual VRML Rover and
>explore the surface (access the virtual rover by clicking on
>the "Rover VRML" button in any of the landing sections). As you
>explore the surface, you'll be able to hear details about some
>of the things that the Mars Pathfinder discovered on its
>journey.

>It's must see, check it out!


Hi Mark:

Apparently the National Geographic site is down for now. I tried
several times, but am "unable to connect".

I'm sure its a good site, and a fun page.


Best wishes

- Larry Hatch











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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:48:56 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:28:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

> From: Jerome Clark <jkclarke@frontiernet.net
> Date: 31 Jul 98 17:48:50 PDT
> Subject> Re: Why Migraines Dont't Explain UFOs

<snip>

>Just as justifiably one could dismiss Rimmer's views as merely
>a "psychological reaction" to things that make him uncomfortable.
>We could then go on to speculate, without evidence, about what it
>is that causes John to hold such clearly misguided beliefs.

Be my guest. Arthur Shuttlewood promised to do this many years
ago, but never got round to it.

>Since as a general rule witnesses do not "immediately" jump to
>that conclusion, this statement is, well, about as perceptive as
>we have come to expect from PSHers.

There is the phenomenon, which Jerry has written about, called
the 'escalation of hypotheses'. A witness sees an unexplainable
event and tries to define it in terms with which s/he is
familiar - "perhaps it's a plane", but it's not making a noise
so that hypothesis is (rightly or wrongly) rejected. "Maybe it's
a satellite", no, it's moving too fast and just changed
direction. Eventually, if the conventional suggestions run out,
the witness can move on to unconventional ones. At that stage
the escalator may have gone one floor too far. It's then that
the ETH turns up to provide another stage to the escalator. And
it's at this stage that all the little extras start to turn up -
"but I could see windows", "it seemed to follow me", "it was
very close" - for which the evidence is rather more dubious.
These elements occur with IFO and UFO reports - Hendry again -
unless, as some of our less sceptical bretheren seem at times to
be close to saying, _all_ UFO explanations are the work of
wicked debunkers. The reaction to Hendry's book at the time
seemed to come very near to this position.

Jerry may prefer one Mark Cashman to a thousand PSHers (could
there really be that many of us?), and I don't doubt the quality
of his work. But it is naive to assume that an interview with a
percipient would be sufficient to determine a person's
perceptual ability, and that an on-site reenactment can hope to
even approximate the conditions of the original event. As for
the assumption that 'individuals with high levels of civic
responsibility' are less likely to be hoaxers than the common
herd - well if you believe that you should try and get out more!

I don't want to go too deeply into the Levelland case, except to
point out that Mark Cashman's discovery that the events, which
took place in a very short time period, could not have been
caused by media publicity, is simply stating the blindingly
obvious. However, there may have been other factors which _were_
common to the Levelland witnesses. We might ask what  factor
could have been around at the time which would make a number of
people at that place and at that time particularly sensitive to
previously unexperienced ariel phenomena? Perhaps we have a hint
in some other recent postings on this list?

John 'just one in a thousand' Rimmer
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                           Re: Assistance Request

From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:01:09 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:30:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Assistance Request

>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
>Subject: Assistance Request

<snip>

>Because of a bit of a research project we're embarking on,
>I need as many sighting reports as I can get from the period
>of 1970 through 1975, specifically in the DFW/Dallas/Fort
>Worth/North Texas area.

>Unfortunately I'm no longer a member of MUFON, so that
>avenue is probably closed to me.  Are there any websites or
>organizations that I can contact or canvas which might have
>such information cataloged for perusal?  If someone has a
>database of Texas UFO sightings that would be an immeasurable
>help!

It might be worth trying the following:

UFO Times Texas Edition:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/6514/index.html

The above is a fairly new site and I am not sure how far back
they have managed to trace sightings.


BEYOND BOUNDARIES INC.
PO Box 250
Rainbow
TX 76077

E-Mai: jmurphy@onramp.net
WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~jmurphy/


HUFON (Houston UFO Network)
P.O. Box 942
Bellaire
TX 77402-0942

E-Mail: hufon@juno.com
WWW: http://chelsea.ios.com/~dalemv19/hufon/

Texas State - Skywatch International:
http://freeyellow.com/members/pappie/index.html

That's all the info I have for Texas.

Best wishes,


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              Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 06:40:12 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:47:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

Mark, Bruce, Bruno and anyone interested in Levelland,TX

I cannot argue the merits of the Levelland series of sightings
now, but I believe they are highly interesting in spite of the
lack of a complete investigation.

Instead, I want to do what I am best at, and dig up some
apparent facts.

Levelland,TX is (now) found in NW Texas, at the intersection of
US highway 385 which runs North and South .. and TX State route
114 which runs straight East-West.

Map coordinates are approx. 102:22:40W by 33:35:20N.

This places Levelland roughly a 30 minute drive ( 50 km ) West
of Lubbock,TX which is similar to Levelland, only larger.

Between the two, and much closer to Lubbock, is Reese AFB.

Out of 293 Air Force Base (AFB) sightings listed in the USA
alone, absolutely none emanate from Reese AFB.

A careful web-search of Levelland,TX revealed the following:

* A man was recently killed when a bale of cotton fell upon him

* Several other people died recently.

* High School and collegiate sporting event dominate their
  websites. Especially against their rivals the "Canadians".
  (Special note: this refers to Candian,Texas.)

* Their Chamber of Commerce website is down. Thus, I was
  unable to get a list of restaurants.

* A special search using keyword "Levelland" coupled with
  "gourmet" yielded a specialized site where you can register
  "What shows DOES your dog watch on TV?" This list is
  interactive. Some dogs prefer commercials!

In short, Levelland,TX is a thoroughly forgettable place..
and not likely to engage the "Canadians" in a spelling bee.

- - -

Consulting my maps, I find that :

* The AT&SF (Santa Fe) railroad avoided Levelland by turning to
  the NorthWest at Lubbock, i.e. parallel to US 84.

* In the immediate environs one finds Yellow Lake, Yellow
  Creek, the Yellow House oilfiends .. everything but Yellow
  Falls,TX which has never been tracked down! Ironically,
  the Yellow Falls event is dated at 26SEPT57, just two
  months previous to the Levelland,TX events ..

Checking the (ahem, highly useful) *U* UFO Database, I find that
almost none of the 'Levelland' sightings were in Levelland at
all. Most were outside of town, to the West, the Northwest, the
Southwest.. One was directly North, at Whitharral,TX.  There was
one sighting to the East which I chose to list: that of Smyer,TX
which is nearly halfway to Reese AFB. I did not and will not
list "night-light" type observations.

I am really tempted to speculate about the timing and spacing of
these events. Alas, this will have to take place over a bottle
of wine (or three) and not via email.

I hope these details help.

If Mark Cashman or anyone else can piece together the Levelland
story, I can only applaud.

Best Wishes

- Larry Hatch

P.S. To all NW Texans: Please do not think I am insulting your
towns or way of life.

I love the Southwest, and head that way first on long trips, TV
watching dogs and all. - LH









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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #260

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 09:41:59 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:50:29 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #260


Apology to MW #260 (For August 1, 1998)

Let's list all the things that keep saucers away? Too many by
far, but a few have their say. And they keep us all back for the
groove and the sway of elites who live high on the backs of
what's paid. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, that
it's good to be rich, but you've got to befriend the most
minimal mote that is heating your water . . . your builder,
enricher, your looker -- your spotter. Treat her like dirt or
pay him slave wages, and the trouble you cause's writ in
infinite pages. Enmity gained is your constant betrayal -- your
crass disrespect, and its common portrayal. And it's this that
is keeping the watchers away. And for this some would have us
fair grovel and pray. The saucers aren't landing for obvious
reasons! We're not friendly -- forgiving; we're vicious --
indecent!

Think of _one_ reason the saucers won't land? Why, it's WIRE
festooned in a throttling band! Transmission of power in lines
is immoral, especially strung up so high in the sky. Drooping
from towers, offending the senses, they waste precious dollars,
and destroy precious lives. These lives are still precious --
too many by far; enduring inequity -- though made from the
STARS!  Composed of sheer star stuff we'd work through our will
at the challenge _Unknown_ -- we would thrive on this thrill!

But our lives are adangle with draperies of wire that producing
a field connived and conspired, distorts all the thoughts that
we'd feel apart from the rays they've imparted,  effecting
desire! The fields produced are affecting our senses in manners
all planned and contrived. The telly's a boon -- a capture
cartoon. It taunts and it teases our fabric of life. It's the
rule of the rich and their awesome plutocracy. It rips at the
_fair_ play -- it _mocks_ a democracy. And still are the wires
installed above ground where they kill and distort -- it
offends! It's not sound!

What _kind_ of creature takes advantage of innocence? Who preys
on the ignorant and milks them like goats? Who sets up in motion
denials for Tesla? Who tightens their grip on the _weakest_ of
throats? Who dumps on their own for a profit's percentage, and
what would they do to a STRANGER FROM SPACE? Where's wonder then
found they'd avoid us completely, disgusted with our ethics,
perhaps _offended_ by our race!

This is but one thing that keeps us alone. It's us, and our
process that can't be condoned. As we've done to ourselves we'd
sure do to another.
We'll remain at last, lost; yes, ignored -- undiscovered!

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

What! Who? Us? The crown of creation? Hah! If we crown creation,
it's a crown of poison, self-absorbed thorns! We earn our
enforced solitude!

Restore John Ford!


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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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                            P-1947: Worth Reading

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:17:04 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:04:19 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Worth Reading

List members,

We're all drowning in garbage these days, so it's easy to
overlook a genuinely worthwhile book amid all the worthless ones
out there. Allow me to draw your attention to a splendid new
book, Phil Patton's Dreamland: Travels Inside the Secret World
of Roswell and Area 51 (Villard).

Patton, a New York Times columnist, is a fine reporter, a
penetrating analyst, and a superb writer. His book has much of
interest to say on all matters related to Area 51, including the
controversies related to aircraft development, UFOs, Bob Lazar,
disinformation, and all the rest. Patton may well do for you
what it did for me: help clarify thoughts on many confusing
matters. As a honest writer, though, he is willing to admit the
absence of answers when none can be demonstrated convincingly. A
terrific treatment of a complex subject, it deserves the
attention of everyone on this list.

Cordially,

Jerry Clark






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                           Re: Assistance Request

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 09:05:39 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:29:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Assistance Request


>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
>Subject: Assistance Request

> I hope everyone is having better weather than we are in Dallas!

Dear ex-MUFON member (or Glenn, as you prefer),

We are presently suffering from a cold wave. I nearly had to
turnon the heater. It'sa good thing I did not, because the very
next day it got to 77-degrees (F).

It is much cooler at the beach.

Snakes here stopped turing into tourist stuff long ago.

In California, it is a bit of a job finding someone who is _not_
a goddam snake.

> I need as many sighting reports as I can get from the period
> of 1970 through 1975, specifically in the DFW/Dallas/Fort
> Worth/North Texas area.

> Unfortunately I'm no longer a member of MUFON,

I never wanted to me a member. I checked the wrong box on the
MFJ subscription form!

Nevertheless, I am licensed to exorcise ghosts, examine crop-
circles, and otherwise titilate the local press until the
weather gets better.

This is a lot easier for me than it might be for you, since my
mother was a Roman Catholic and not a Baptist like my dad the
science teacher.

Please email if and when persuaded.

Be warned that you will get " Above first class UFO software"
advertisements in return!

Best wishes

-LH


PS: If you only want numbers, thats free, unless you want too
many numbers, in which case I charge by the digit.

PPS: If you want too many digits I fall asleep.









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              P-1947: Rodeghier's Vehicle Interference Catalog

From: Mark Rodeghier <markrod@XSITE.NET>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:54:59 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Rodeghier's Vehicle Interference Catalog

My 1981 study of vehicle interference reports has long been out
of print, and many people have asked me for a copy.

Now, the Society for Scientific Exploration has scanned in the
monograph and placed it on their website, as a supporting
document for the Sturrock workshop report. Unfortunately, it is
not in PDF format, so you must move from one separate page to
another, and it is consequently not easy to download as one
document. But at least it's now online.

There are other documents online as well, including many papers
from the Journal of Scientific Exploration, and John
Schuessler's study of physiological effects in UFO cases. The
URL is:

http://www.jse.com/ufo_reports/

Mark Rodeghier





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               P-1947: Historical Pennsylvania UFO Encounters

From: STAN GORDON <PAUFO@WESTOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:08:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:42:29 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Historical Pennsylvania UFO Encounters

Historical Pennsylvania Encounters with UFO's and the Unexplained.
From the files of Researcher Stan Gordon

Date: July 25, 1983
Time: 7:45 A.M. local
Location: Jeannette, PA, Westmoreland County

The witness who lives in a residential housing area, was lying
in bed, and was disturbed by her neighbor's dog barking
constantly, and by a strange loud swirling sound that appeared
to originate from above, and was hurting her ears. The sound was
loud enough to rattle her windows, and vibrated through her
body.

The witness jumped out of bed, as the sound appeared to pass
overhead, then changed to a beeping sound. The sound seemed to
move towards the South, so the witness removed the screen from
her window, and looked out in that direction. To her amazement,
wobbling above some trees about 450 feet distance, was a large
object about 1,000 feet above the ground.

The object was hovering, yet moving up and down in a wobbling
fashion "like a yo-yo." The witness described the circular
object as looking like "a huge silver metallic double decker
layer cake" in the sky. The surface of the object appeared to
have a green color to it at times. The witness estimated the
size of the object as about 200 feet in diameter. On the top of
the object was a dome structure which contained a row of four
prominent square windows. Under the window area, there was a
shape, which gave the impression of a door.

All around the perimeter of the object were what appeared to be
square windows that were evenly spaced. Along the exterior edge
of the object, were many green and blue flashing lights. The
witness watched the object for nearly 4 minutes, when a high
pitched sound was heard, and the object moved upwards into the
sky and in seconds was lost from sight.

The witness who prior to this experience was a UFO skeptic,
became upset after her observation, and had the feeling as
though her skin was crawling For the next two days she continued
to experience this feeling. On this same date but earlier in the
morning, another as of yet unexplained sighting occurred about
10 miles away near Latrobe.

For more information on recent UFO sighting and other related
information visit my website 'Stan Gordon's UFO Anomalies Zone'
at:

http://www.westol.com/~paufo/index.html

Stan Gordon






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                         HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98

From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:14:31 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:05:13 -0400
Subject: HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98

HOT GOSSIP UK MAGAZINE
The Hottest Gossip At The Coolest Site. www.hotgossip.co.uk
August 1998 Issue - Georgina=92s UFO Update Section
[via the Unexplained]
****************************************************************
Tension At UK UFO Conferences
Conference Speakers at Quest/UFO Magazine Event
Ufologist=92s Retire From Public
Flying Lighthouses
FEATURE - Alternative 3, The Saga Lives On
___________________________________________________________

Tension At UK UFO Conferences

Is it something in the air or what? Just as everyone was leaving
the London conference organised by Quest/ British UFO Magazine,
a very irate Irene Bott [President of the Staffordshire UFO
Group] began screaming and shouting at Graham Birdsall's wife,
Christine. I am all ears. It appears that Irene, who had been
accompanying Nick Redfern, was complaining about the hotel
accommodation. Nick had called me the day before; asking if they
could stay at my place the following night as they had an
appointment in London the next day. The conference speakers are
normally checked into a quality hotel, but most likely, because
of the holiday season and the fact that it was only a one day
conference, the hotel wasn't as good as normal. I thought any
minute now the girls were going to come to blows. It was most
unlike Irene, although well known for being outspoken, I'd never
seen her behave quite so dramatically as this. Thank goodness
the two of them finally made friends. It was the end of a very
long day for both organisers and speakers.

I didn't manage to attend the Hertford conference organised by
Tony Spurrier. I mixed up my dates. Speakers included Michael
Hesseman, Steven Greer and Nick Redfern.

Apparently there was an argument at this event too. This time,
according to my source, sceptic, Rob Irvine and Michael Hesseman
looked like coming to blows. I'm told that the argument got
quite heated at one stage, albeit that it was over in no time.
Rob was said to have pointed a finger at Michael=92s nose - well
almost - and said.

 "Never forget, I know you are a liar"

Michael walked off, but I hear they made it up, well at least
they shook hands.....So what's going on?


Conference Speakers at Quest/UFO Magazine Event

I realise I'm late reporting on the Quest/UFO Magazine
conference in general, but I wasn't around last month. So here's
the report anyway.

I really enjoyed Nick Redfern's talk, almost as much as I
enjoyed the book. [see review] I also enjoyed the presentations
of James Courant and A.J Gevaerd as I had never met either of
them before.

Pilot and researcher, James Courant, was like a breath of fresh
air. He's one of the rare researchers around who doesn=92t flaunt
an ego. Shades of Michael Lindeman. Both are keen reporters on
the media side of ufology. James gave a superb presentation
which also featured some humorous parts - to what is usually a
very serious subject. Of particular interest was his talk [along
with slides] on some 5,000 year old Peruvian stones. Remarkably,
there are 15,000 of these stones on display in Peru, and these
strange relics are said to record the whole of life's history
right up to the year 2007. One hopes that somewhere amongst the
collection, are records of life after that time. Other
highlights of his talk revolved around how the media had
betrayed the UFO system. Along with myself, James is one of the
few researchers who have interviewed Dr Michael Wolf, but I have
never met him personally. It was interesting to see a piece of
footage of Wolf, I had always imagined him to be much older
looking, being as ill as he claims to be. But, he looked in good
shape, and in fact, quite dishy! I asked James what he thought
about Michael Wolf; did he believe he was credible.

"Absolutely, I can vouch that he worked at Area 51 and the
Dulcie Base." Said James.

You can purchase James Courant=92s taped interview with Michael
Wolf from the UFO magazine. E-mail them at:

106151.1150@compuserve.com

for details. It=92s a very interesting interview. If you require
more details on Michael Wolf you can e-mail me for a copy of my
interview. <georgina@easynet.co.uk> I hope the Birdsall=92s invite
James Courant to the ' 99 annual conference.

I=92m not going to go into detail about A.J. Gevaerd=92s
presentation because the story of Brazil=92s Varginha has been
well publicised. However, as one of Brazil=92s top researchers
Gevaerd brought the case to life. Although a good 20 minutes
over his time, and still going strong, no one appeared to be
bored. It was all very fascinating. I asked A.J, who was sitting
beside me during Courant=92s talk, if there was a US presence
involved in the cover-up of this famous case. I wasn=92t at all
surprised to hear that there was. It seems that no matter were
in the world a major extraterrestrial situation arises - the US
military is on the scene in no time. For more details on the
Varginha case you should try an internet search - there=92s an
enormous amount of material out there, but try searching out
material by Gevaerd.

Graham Birdsall, one of the organisers and Editor of UFO
Magazine, gave a brief sit down [back problems] talk about the
Global UFO Update. He also showed some brilliant film footage
which will be featured in a forthcoming TV documentary special.


Ufologist=92s Retire From Public

Ex policeman, and well known British Ufologist Tony Dodd, has
retired from the UFO scene due to his wife=92s illness. She is
suffering with heart problems and Tony wants to spend more time
with her.

Another Ufologist to fade off the scene is Philip Mantle. Philip
recently co authored a book with Michael Hesseman, about the
Roswell case. He was also involved in the research of the
Santilli Alien Autopsy film. Now that Santilli has admitted the
'Tent' footage was a hoax, albeit that it=92s alleged to have been
done by another party, me thinks that Philip has had enough. It
is disheartening. However, I=91m sure he won=92t be gone for long,
last I heard he was supposed to be co-authoring a book on the AA
saga.


Flying Lighthouses

If you=92ve read Nick Pope=92s column, you=92ll know that there=92s been
an ongoing discussion in a certain Press forum between science
writer, Ian Ridpath and myself. It=92s all to do with 'The
Rendlesham Forest Case'. Ian is still trying desperately to flog
his theories of what allegedly happened during December 1980
involving numerous US military personnel based at RAF
Bentwaters/Woodbridge in Suffolk, UK. Witnesses claim they saw
unusual lights in the sky and unidentified craft land in the
forest next to the Woodbridge base.

Ian expects us to believe that the then Lt Col Charles Halt and
several patrols, witnessed none other than the Orford
lighthouse, the Shiplake beacon, a meteor and a cluster of stars
which included Sirius. It=92s not easy to debate this case with a
bunch of hard core journalists and a science writer who
obviously thinks we=92re gullible enough to believe that
lighthouses can fly! It is unfortunate that I haven=92t the time
to continue the debate which lasted for several weeks. However,
suffice to say that I couldn=92t convince the press that it was
anything other than that which was proposed by Ian Ridpath.
Interesting, considering it was the Broadsheets that consulted
Ian Ridpath, and actually published his 'findings' way back in
1983/4. One wonders how Mr Ridpath could come up with so many
[in my opinion] nonsense conclusions considering he didn=92t pick
up the story until 3 years after it occurred, and at no time did
he consult any of the actual witnesses, preferring to speak to a
forester, who himself had not witnessed the events, and in fact
had not visited the scene until several weeks afterwards.

During the debate, sceptic James Easton produced his case
involving the alleged original witness statements. Easton will
not have it that these were watered down versions. The real
statements were given to the OSI.

When I mentioned to witness Jim Penniston that Ian Ridpath was
still going on about the lighthouse, he advised me to disregard
any comments like that, and answered.

 "When researching Bentwaters, keep in mind we are not talking about lights
in the sky."

_______________________________________________________

FEATURE

Alternative 3, The Saga Lives On

Was this one of the most astounding and frightening conspiracies
ever, or was it just a clever hoax ?

British scientists vanishing off the face of the earth.
Astronauts' reports of strange craft they saw on the moon=92s
surface. Social drop outs being abducted and used as slaves on
an alien planet. Life on earth is doomed. A shocking
international government conspiracy involving a plan to save
only a chosen few individuals....

During the 1970s you could sat that the United Kingdom suffered
a great loss of brain power. The Brain Drain, a terminology used
for the mass exodus of some of the best surgeons and scientists
in the country, were being enticed with huge pay cheques to work
in the United States. At the same time, small groups of
environmentalists were just beginning to understand the problems
facing the ozone layer, most of the general public were still
unaware of the environmental issues yet to come, and very few
people appeared to have heard of NASA's space shuttles.

The Story Breaks

At 9pm on Monday June 20th 1977 Anglia Television based in
Norwich UK, put out an unusual one hour TV special. The
programme was simultaneously transmitted to a number of other
countries which included Australia, New Zealand, Canada,
Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Greece, and Yugoslavia. The
name of the Television programme was called Alternative 3.
However, it wasn=92t just a =91one off=92 TV special, as many have
been led to believe, but the last in a series of science fact
documentaries, called Science Report. It was for this reason
that the programme would shock the world, and in the days to
follow would rock the station's credibility. The one hour
programme informed viewers of a huge conspiracy involving the
United States government and NASA. They showed a piece of film
which was allegedly passed on to the programme=92s team by an
insider from NASA HQ. The footage, which appeared to be
authentic, featured a US astronaut landing on Mars, and saying
"Boy, when they take the wraps off this, it'll be the biggest
day in history. 22 May 1962, we're on Mars and we have life" But
what really scared the public on that hot summer evening, was
not the alleged Mars landing, but news that planet Earth was
dying, and that =91social drop outs=92 were being abducted and
shuttled off into space to serve as slaves on some alien planet.
Viewers were told that life on Earth was doomed, and that there
were only three alternatives available for survival. Alternative
One - was to blow two holes in the ozone layer, but this, it was
feared, would cause skin cancers. It would also involve a rule
to stop polluting the planet immediately. Alternative Two was to
begin digging underground cities for the elite few, the rest of
civilisation would be left to fend for themselves on the dying
surface. Alternative Three was to get the hell off the planet.
Apparently the third alternative was already in operation, and
the world=92s top scientists were being commissioned to assist in
this 'above top secret' operation. But the narrator then tells
us that many of these scientists were simply disappearing off
the face of the earth.....

When the programme ended at 10pm, Anglia were besieged with
calls from irate viewers demanding more information. Callers
were told not to panic, that the programme was just a hoax, and
a frightened public sighed with relief and went back to their
armchairs to watch the remainder of the 10.00 clock news,
followed by a light entertainment show. The next morning the
national press confirmed that the programme was a hoax, and
pointed out that the scientist Dr Carl Gerstien, who had tried
to warn the world of the impending disaster, was none other than
the well known actor Richard Marner. The Times of London
reported "Independent television companies last night received
hundreds of protest calls after an Anglia programme, Alternative
3, gave alarming facts about changes in the earth=92s atmosphere.
It was a hoax, originally intended for April 1st."

Anglia got a scolding and the public were relieved of their
fears.

We know that the Alternative 3 programme was put together by a
respectable team of science reporters who had a regular weekly
slot titled Science Report. We know that it was an intelligent
documentary series which reported on new scientific inventions,
and we know that it was because of the teams' credibility that
Alternative 3 was taken so seriously. The question is; why would
a serious science investigative team who had a regular weekly
documentary series - suddenly produce a hoax? Even taking into
consideration that it was originally intended to be an April
Fool hoax, it=92s hardly fitting for a team of their calibre to
produce such a programme.

I remember having mixed reactions to the disturbing documentary,
or drama, as it was later to be called. One theory that had
crossed my mind at the time, and incidentally, I did see the
programme, was that the science team were genuinely on to
something, but that the witnesses were unwilling to take part in
the documentary. Three months after the programme aired, I met a
cameraman at a party in Berkshire, who claimed to have been part
of the film crew. He told me outright that Alternative 3 was a
hoax, and that they had used actors. He also said the crew were
all joking about it at the time. Well, by now most people knew
that actors had been used, but few knew that the film crew, or
least one of them, had confirmed it was a hoax.

Alternative 3, The Book

By 1978 the story looked like dying a death, when suddenly
Sphere Books published ALTERNATIVE 3, written by LESLIE WATKINS
and DAVID AMBROSE. Those who were able to secure a copy, read
with interest a story that was a follow-up of the television
programme produced by Spectrum (not Sceptre as some believed)
for Anglia Television. And so began The Alternative 3 Saga, and
an attempt by thousands worldwide to uncover what they believed
to be one of the world's biggest conspiracies.

I purchased the newly published paperback of Alternative 3 from
a popular book store in Berkshire. There in the center of the
store was a huge display of the books, as was always the case
when they had delivery of what they thought would be a best
seller. I was so excited about the book that I immediately
called a friend of mine, a collector of publications on =91the
unexplained=92, who I knew had been interested in the television
programme. The following day he phoned to tell me that the store
didn't have the book, I was surprised, I thought it highly
unlikely that they had sold all the copies. So I returned to the
store to discover that the display had indeed disappeared, and
there was no sign of the book anywhere in the store. I summoned
the manager who admitted that he had been told to remove the
stock from the shelves and return them to head office. I pushed
him for more information, but all he would say was that it came
from high up. It was this incident that prompted me to believe
that there may be some truth to the story of Alternative 3 after
all. Due to public demand the book was re-printed several times
in the following years, and incidentally, it is still listed
under World Affairs, and not as you might expect, fiction.

The publication was intriguing because some names and events
were genuine, whilst others didn't exist. One name mentioned,
was that of Otto Binder who was a member of the NASA space
programme. In the book he=92s quoted as saying that NASA killed
significant segments of conversation between mission control and
Apollo 11, the spacecraft that took Buzz Aldrin and Neil
Armstrong to the Moon, and that those segments were deleted from
the official record. It=92s interesting to note that Binder was
also a science fiction writer. According to an alleged quote by
Binder - when Aldrin spoke to mission control he said.

"These babies were huge, sir..enormous. Oh God, you wouldn't
believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out
there....lined up on the far side of the crater edge....they're
on the Moon watching us."

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who is also named in the book, had
previously described his feelings when looking at this world
from the Moon.

"I went into a very deep pathos, a kind of anguish. That
incredibly beautiful planet that was Earth.....a place no bigger
than my thumb was my home.. a blue and white jewel against a
velvet black sky...was being killed off."

And on March 23, 1974, he was quoted in a London newspaper as saying.

"Society had only three ways in which to go and that the third
was "the most viable, but most difficult alternative."

What was Mitchell trying to tell us more than 20 years ago, was
he trying to warn us about Alternative 3?

The book also reported on animal mutilations, space shuttles,
man made domes on the moon, the environmental problems, and
disappearing scientists. All of which would later public
knowledge. Inasmuch as astronomers were seeing and writing about
unusual domes that had recently appeared on the moon's surface.
NASA would announce news about the US space shuttles,
governments would acknowledge the environmental issues,
including the pollution of the ozone layer, and later we would
learn of the many disappearances and horrible suicides
surrounding British scientists.

A Letter From Leslie Watkins

The following is a letter from the author of Alternative 3,
Leslie Watkins, it was placed in the public domain of the
Internet in the VANGARD SCIENCES archives on October 28 1989.

A letter to Ms Dittrich from Windwords bookstore (address
unknown).

Dear Ms. Dittrich

Thank you for your letter, which reached me today. Naturally, I
am delighted by your interest in Alternative 3 and by the fact
that you plan to sell it in the Windwords bookstore. I will
certainly cooperate in any way I can.

The correct description of Alternative 3 was given to you by the
representative from Penguin Books. The book is based on fact,
but uses that fact as a launchpad for a HIGH DIVE INTO FICTION.
In answer to your specific questions:

1) There is no astronaut named Grodin.

2) There is no Sceptre Television and the reported Benson is also fictional.=


3) There is no Dr. Gerstein.

4) Yes, a "documentary" was televised in June 1977 on Anglia
Television, which went out to the entire national network in
Britain. It was called Alternative 3 and was written by David
Ambrose and produced by Christopher Miles (whose names were on
the book for contractual reasons). This original TV version,
which I EXPANDED IMMENSELY for the book, was ACTUALLY A HOAX
which had been scheduled for transmission on April Fools' Day.
Because of certain problems in finding the right network slot,
the transmission was delayed.

The TV programme did cause a tremendous uproar because viewers
refused to believe it was fiction. I initially took the view
that the basic premise was so way-out, particularly the way I
aimed to present it in the book, that no one would regard it as
non-fiction. Immediately after publication, I realized I was
totally wrong. In fact, the amazing mountains of letters from
virtually all parts of the world including vast numbers from
highly intelligent people in positions of
responsibility-convinced me that I had ACCIDENTALLY trespassed
into a range of top-secret truths.

Documentary evidence provided by many of these correspondents
decided me to write a serious and COMPLETELY NON-FICTION sequel.
Unfortunately, a chest containing the bulk of the letters was
among the items which were mysteriously LOST IN TRANSIT some
four years when I moved from London, England, to Sydney,
Australia, before I moved on to settle in New Zealand. For some
time after Alternative 3 was originally published, I have reason
to suppose that my home telephone was being tapped and my
contacts who were experienced in such matters were convinced
that certain intelligence agencies considered that I probably
knew too much.

So, summing up, the book is FICTION BASED ON FACT. But I now
feel that I inadvertently got VERY CLOSE TO A SECRET TRUTH. I
hope this is of some help to you and I look forward to hearing
from you again.

With best wishes
Leslie Watkins


Anglia Television & The Actors

In the early 90s I called Anglia Television and spoke to a
charming lady called Maureen who worked in the records dept.
Maureen was very helpful and told me she still received at least
one call a month about the programme, and that some people get
really angry and can=92t accept it was a drama. She told of one
student who flew all the way from the United States, and called
from Heathrow airport to ask if he could see the film, and that
he really got upset when refused. Maureen was a trainee back in
1977, and she remembers doing the paste-ups for the special, she
worked on stills at the time. Maureen said they used actors in
the drama and suggested I call the London PR office for
permission to give the names and contact numbers of the actors.
They gave permission and here are some of the actors who
appeared in the TV special

 Actor                          Role

 Shane Rimmer..............Bob Grodin (astronaut)
 Carole Hazell.............Investigative Journalist
 Gregory Munro.......................?
 Richard Marner............Dr Carl Gerstien( Professor)
 Ivor Roberts........................?
 Fibi Nicholas.............Harry's Girl
 David Baxt................Harry
 Tim Brinton...............Played Himself As A Presenter

I spoke to Richard Marner=92s agent who assured me that Marner=92s
CV stated that he did actually do one days filming with the
programme Alternative 3 on January 25th 1977. I Later called
Richard Marner who confirmed it, and he remarked that it was the
easiest job he'd ever done. He didn't do any filming in the
studio, and apparently the crew had problems with Cambridge
University because they filmed him on the steps without
permission. He said he didn't even rehearse the lines and that
it was all very rushed. Today Richard Marner is best known for
his part as Colonel Yon Strohm in the British sitcom =91Allo
Allo=92. I checked with Spotlight, a listing for actors and
entertainers, and found that Shane Rimmer and Ivor Roberts were
with Howels & Prior Agency. Shane Rimmer played the part of the
fictitious astronaut, Bob Grodin. Rimmer is a well known science
fiction and spy thriller writer who also does voice-overs and
has acted in numerous popular films and television spy dramas,
including a James Bond movie. He was also the famous voice of
Captain Scot Tracy in Thunderbirds.

I understand that Tim Brinton, later became an Member of
Parliament, and I discovered that the director of the programme,
Christopher Miles, is the brother of actress Sara Miles. Maureen
told me Alternative 3 was a hoax, Anna Dicki from the London
office said it was a drama. Anglia PR lady, Veronica Clover told
me it was an April Fool spoof and went out on April 1st. I
argued that it didn't air on April 1st, she later checked,
realised her mistake and kindly mailed me a photocopy of the
original TV Times showing clearly that Alternative 3 aired on
June 20th. Maureen doesn't remember any of the actors filming in
the studio. What I found strange was that she didn=92t mention
David Ambrose, but told me that Christopher Miles devised the
original script. However in the book it clearly states that the
TV film was devised by both David Ambrose and Christopher Miles.
Leslie Watkins had no involment with the television programme.
In my research I have been unable to trace David Ambrose, the
alleged writer of the TV programme. Leslie Watkins states, he
only used Ambrose=92s name on the book as co-author for
contractual reasons.

Who, and where is David Ambrose?

Fiction Based On Fact ?

So twenty years on, are we any the wiser? Are there any new
clues as to the validity of the story or was it really the
greatest hoax ever? Well, if it were a hoax, I would expect the
hoaxers to be available for comment on their prolonged success.
To sum it up, I agree with the author of the book, Leslie
Watkins, I believe the story is fiction based on fact. But the
question still remains: where did the fact originate ? In their
research, did the science team stumble on above top secret
information which had to be suppressed? In their enthusiasm, did
they realise their scoop was too good dismiss, and not being
able to use the witnesses for the programme, did they pull in
professional actors to play the part ? But then, I ask myself,
why did they use well known actors, why not new faces? Or maybe
David Ambrose, wherever he is, was just a conspiracy theorist
with great ambitions!

And as a final note - The original and only can of film marked
Alternative 3 mysteriously disappeared from Anglia's archives,
and apparently it is the only film ever to go missing. But word
has it that copies of the film have been distributed amongst
several UFO researchers. Well at least they=92re in good hands!

Alternative 3 is published by Spere Books Ltd, a division of
Macdonald & Co (Publishers) Ltd. # ISBN O 7221 1126 6

=A9 Georgina Bruni 1998
__________________________________________________________

HOT GOSSIP UK [from Georgina's UFO section via "The
Unexplained". Permission granted to distrubute this material
providing the authors and the publication are credited. Hot
Gossip UK. www.hotgossip.co.uk








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                P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?

From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:19:52 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:52:57 -0400
Subject: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?


Greetings to the List:

In a recent posting I said that the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek
didn't regard November 1957 as a genuine UFO wave. This elicited
a negative response from certain parties. But, Dr. Hynek did in
fact say that. His views on this can be found in The Hynek UFO
Report (p. 262). The key sentence states; "First let us examine
the two flaps of IFOs, those of 1957 and 1966." These are Dr.
Hynek's words, not mine. This was in 1977, twenty years after
the period in question. To further illustrate his views on the
matter, it should be noted that his revised study of the Blue
Book files classified only 25 cases as Unidentified for all of
1957, not just November. Thus, Dr. Hynek had good reason to feel
the way he did on this matter.

I also said that misidentifications of Venus as a "UFO" were
rampant during this period. This is correct. But, Venus had
nothing remotely to do with Levelland, or many other cases
during this period. However, it was a big factor in this wave.
It's obvious that heavy media attention to Levelland and several
other reports spawned a deluge of mistaken sightings of "UFOs".
That some very strange events took place in November 1957 cannot
be denied, but did a real wave take place? Apparently, Dr. Hynek
didn't think so. I suspect he was right.

Regards, Herb Taylor






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From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:24:49 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:27:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &


> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
> Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:54:18 -0400

> >Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:50:05 -0400
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
> >Subject: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments

> >>From: The Duke of Mendoza - Peter Brookesmith
>         <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
> >>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:56:04 -0400
> >>Fwd Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:38:58 -0400
> >>Subject: Re: Triangular UFOs over Belgium

> >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >>>From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
> >>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Triangular UFOs over Belgium
> >>>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:53:17 -0400

> >>>>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:29 -0700
> >>>>From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <skytracker@geocities.com>
> >>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
> >>>>Subject: Triangular UFOs over Belgium

> Of course none of the 632 reports is worth looking into. The
> magic of numbers has had the debunkers ojsimpsonize the F-16
> case and thus contaminate the other 631 cases.

> That's how you go from flap to flop.

> This is science.

> Please add this to any future synopsis you make on the Belgium
> UFO flap.

> Serge Salvaille

Serge,

I'm glad someone brought this up. To be honest it's quite
amusing to hear all the American specialists on the Belgian
flap. See, I used to live in the most southern part of Holland
VERY close to Belgium at the time of the flap,and me and my
family had several sightings ourselves. Now I know that no one's
going to say: "Oh well, if you say so and saw it..." right now
;-)

But I strongly doubt these things were made by one of our own. I
suspect this for following reasons: First of all the absence of
any sound. Then there is the capabilty of these objects to stand
still in mid air, rotate around its own axis and accelerate to
enormous speed at once, from a stationary position.

One of the eye-witnesses there with us, is the Head of the
Eurocontrol Educational Centre, the european Air Traffic
Control. We were (and still _are_) absolutely certain that
whatever those things were, there weren't ours. But there's
another thing that bothers me in the Secret Aircraft Hypothesis:

These objects were seen over Belgium and a few over the south of
Holland. If those things were secret aircraft then why would
they test-fly 'em over one of the most crowded places in Europe?
We also must assume they were from the Belgian Air Force, and
that also strikes me as somewhat ridiculous, with what budget
would they do that? If these things were from NATO or even the
USAF why in the world would Belgium spend hundred of thousands of
dollars to try and intercept these things with F-16s? Or does
anyone honestly think they wouldn't be briefed by NATO or the
USAF?

I'm not saying that _all_ triangle sightings are therefore
'unknowns'. But the idea that _all_ FTs are man-made doesn't
really hold up neither. Remember, there are triangle-sightings
(and photos) from as far back as 1966. And these FTs were
spotted above the USSR? Also Stealth-technology? That doesn't go
for me, sorry people!

Andy Denne
(A.U.R.A)






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              Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:20:48 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:00:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:12:57 EDT
>Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:45:33 -0400
>Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:04:25 -0400
>>Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:30:01 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>>Thanks for mentioning the Levalland sightings. Hope you didn't
>>forget the "Sputnik Connection" (not that any of the witnesses
>>saw Sputnik)

I don't think the news of Sputnik II reached Levelland until
well after the incidents started taking place.

Before the Levelland series, there was a general increase in
sightings at the end of October and the first two days of
November--prior to Sputnik II. There had been as might be
expected a large increase in sightings after Sputnik I with
everyone outside trying to catch a glimpse of the satellite. The
same would be true after Sputnik II. Venus was very bright and
as Hynek pointed out, the cause of a lot of UFO reports.

However, looking at the period immediately before Sputnik I, a
pre-launch buildup can be detected.

Loren Gross' updated account of 1957 suffered somewhat from the
fact that while he was writing and publishing material new
reports and material were being found. CUFOS kindly let Ed
Stewart and I copied their 1957 holding which included Buckley
Griffin's amazing scrapbook with many newspaper clippings from
small towns. Tom Rouse also kindly let us have copies of his
extensive newspaper clipping collection. Robert Gribble had his
own clipping service during this period which he also kindly
donated to Loren. All these source contributed many new
accounts.

Barry Greenwood, several others and I have screened about 1000
1957 newspapers worldwide for reports from this era. (Kansas is
a promising area for further research, but there just was not
enough time to deal with 1947, let alone, 1957.)

Loren's booklets give some idea of the amount of reports for
1957:

 #1 Jan-Mar 22
 #2 Mar 23-May 25
 #3 May 26-July 31
 #4 Aug-Sep
 #5 Oct-Nov 2
 #6 Nov 3-5
 #7 Nov 6
 #8 Nov 7-12
 #9 Nov 13-30
 #10 Dec

Hopefully, we can prevail on Loren for a large one volume
treatment of the 1957 Wave possibly with FUFOR as the publisher.


>Reminds me of a debate I had on Usenet a few years ago with a
>retired DOE employee debunker who went by the pseudonym of
>"George Smiley." With regards to the Levelland cases, I wrote
>that they followed the launching of Sputnik II by just a few
>hours. "Smiley" came back at me with the crack that historically
>Sputnik II was launched on November 3, not on November 2 when the
>Levelland cases began.

>Unfortunately for G.S., he forgot that the Nov. 3 date was Soviet
>time. When time zone changes were taken into account, the launch
>date was indeed Nov. 2 in the West, and just a few hours before
>Levelland, just as I originally said.
>At least Smiley had enough class to apologize for his mistake.

<snip>

--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
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From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 12:46:59 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:06:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:48:56 +0100
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
> Subject: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

> > From: Jerome Clark <jkclarke@frontiernet.net
> > Date: 31 Jul 98 17:48:50 PDT
> > Subject> Re: Why Migraines Dont't Explain UFOs

> <snip>

> >Just as justifiably one could dismiss Rimmer's views as merely
> >a "psychological reaction" to things that make him uncomfortable.
> >We could then go on to speculate, without evidence, about what it
> >is that causes John to hold such clearly misguided beliefs.

> Be my guest. Arthur Shuttlewood promised to do this many years
> ago, but never got round to it.

My point, John, is that such an exercise would be pointless -
purely speculative, unhelpful, lazy, and probably actively
misleading. My second point is that this is essentially the same
result you guys come to at the end of empirically unfounded
speculations about witnesses. Except that you don't admit it.

On another list I recounted a recent non-UFO episode from the
community in which I live. I then applied PSH reasoning to it,
and the consequence was an interpretation that bordered on the
grotesque, and one that nobody could ever take seriously. The
lesson is that Purely Speculative Hypotheses make more sense
from the safe distance of the armchair than from actual human
experience at uncomfortably close range. If they were applied to
any but UFO experiences, they'd be seen as inappropriate or even
crazy.

>>Since as a general rule witnesses do not "immediately" jump to
>>that conclusion, this statement is, well, about as perceptive as
>>we have come to expect from PSHers.

>There is the phenomenon, which Jerry has written about, called
>the 'escalation of hypotheses'. A witness sees an unexplainable
>event and tries to define it in terms with which s/he is
>familiar - "perhaps it's a plane", but it's not making a noise
>so that hypothesis is (rightly or wrongly) rejected. "Maybe it's
>a satellite", no, it's moving too fast and just changed
>direction. Eventually, if the conventional suggestions run out,
>the witness can move on to unconventional ones. At that stage
>the escalator may have gone one floor too far. It's then that
>the ETH turns up to provide another stage to the escalator.

In fact, the ETH is probably a notion to which only a relative
handful of witnesses come. Many simply decide that what they
have seen is some inexplicable unknown. Many deal with the
cognitive dissonance by trying to forget about it. The social
sanctions against belief in visiting spaceships are still pretty
severe, and ridicule remains an effective weapon about heterodox
testimony. Look at some of the more unhinged responses to even
the ultraconservative pronouncements of the Sturrock panel.

>it's at this stage that all the little extras start to turn up -
>"but I could see windows", "it seemed to follow me", "it was
>very close" - for which the evidence is rather more dubious.

What evidence do you have for this assertion? To how many
witnesses does this apply? Everyone whose experience is
otherwise inexplicable, I suspect.

>These elements occur with IFO and UFO reports - Hendry again -
>unless, as some of our less sceptical bretheren seem at times to
>be close to saying, _all_ UFO explanations are the work of
>wicked debunkers. The reaction to Hendry's book at the time
>seemed to come very near to this position.

Having followed the response to Hendry's book - wildly
uncritical, in my observation - I can tell you that John's
statement here has about as much to do with reality as PSH
claims typically do, which is not much. I recall that at the
time Phil Klass made a similar claim - that ufologists hated the
book - when in fact it was received enthusiastically in the UFO
press. (See my comments on that matter, as well as on Hendry's
strong differences with debunkers, in my "Phil Klass versus the
`UFO Promoters'," Fate, February 1981 [recently - or shortly to
be - posted on the Science, Logic, and the UFO Debate website].)

That was not, alas, because there was nothing to criticize in
Hendry's sometimes sweeping claims. It is too bad that few
reviewers took him to task (George Earley in Fate is the only
one who comes to mind, and there all too briefly) for these, but
in those days ufologists actually thought they had something to
prove to the newly invigorated debunking movement, and that may
have made them less than eager to criticize Hendry, for fear of
finding themselves at the receiving end of a charge like the one
John hurls above. It is particularly unfortunate that Saunders
did not take on Allan's use (or misuse) of statistical
methodology.

>Jerry may prefer one Mark Cashman to a thousand PSHers (could
>there really be that many of us?), and I don't doubt the quality
>of his work. But it is naive to assume that an interview with a
>percipient would be sufficient to determine a person's
>perceptual ability, and that an on-site reenactment can hope to
>even approximate the conditions of the original event.

Reading remarks live the above, I cannot resist the conclusion -
it has crossed my mind before - that John is gloriously unread
in the field reports of ufology's best investigators. The word
"naive" more properly applies to John here, I'm afraid.

Let us all be grateful that John and his friends did not decide
to go into police work. If they had, it is hard to imagine their
accepting any testimony that would convict any criminal. Let us
all be grateful, too, that the human sensory apparatus, the
product of several million years of evolution, is not so
miserably and consistently dysfunctional as John would have us
believe, lest our streets be littered with corpses of persons
who couldn't manage their way across without getting killed by
drivers unable to perform behind the wheels of dangerous, heavy
moving machines. Let us be grateful, too, that the particular
variety of social pseudoscience advocated and practiced by
Purely Speculative Hypothesizers is largely confined to ufology
and the debunking literature.

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                        Re: BWW Media Alert 19980801

From: Bufo Calvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:16:41 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:36:28 -0400
Subject: Re: BWW Media Alert 19980801


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August 1, 1998

Kind of a slow week again.

MAGAZINES

I'm not going to get back into covering these regularly, at
least not at this point. Thought I'd better mention that the
follow-up to my Power Thinking And The Paranormal article is in
the current FATE (August 1998). It also has a great cover for
the feature article by Sean Casteel about Robert Bigelow. See
the website at http://www.fatemag.com - FATE Magazine or just
pick it up at your local bookstore.

FORTEAN TIMES for August, in another case of Bob Rickard's
fabled synchronicitous timing, has a cover article on "wavies".
Amazingly, this fits right into the recent shooting in
Washington, D.C., allegedly by someone who though satellite
dishes were beaming into his head. Not surprisingly, it has
also been reported that he believed in a UFO conspiracy. I'm
saying that it's not surprising that it was so reported, not
that he would so believe. Pick ten of anything, let's say,
police officers, and you probably get some UFO believers and
conspiracy believers. The amazing part to me is that statistics
recently indicate that more Americans believe "The Government"
is covering up UFOs than believe that UFOs exist in the first
place!  The FT website: http://www.forteantimes.com

TELEVISION

A&E
Sunday, August 2, 12:00 PM, SKYWATCHERS
Next Sunday, August 9, 5:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: HAUNTINGS

THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
Sunday, August 2, 1:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S WORLD OF STRANGE POWERS: THE
VERDICT
Sunday, August 2, 1:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE: MYSTERY
CATS (big cats in the UK)
Sunday, August 2, 2:30 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: GOD BEAR OF KAMCHATKA
Thursday, August 6, 9:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: GIANT SQUID
Friday, August 7, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: GIANT SQUID
Next Sunday, August 9, 1:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S WORLD OF STRANGE POWERS:
WALKING ON FIRE
Next Sunday, August 9, 1:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE:
ZOMBIES, THE LIVING DEAD
Next Sunday, August 9, 2:30 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: GIANT SQUID

THE LEARNING CHANNEL
Saturday, August 1, 3:00 PM, UFO: STORIES OF ABDUCTION
Sunday, August 2, 1:00 PM, THE ALIEN HUNTERS (appears to include the recent
Russian giant landing case)

THE SCI-FI CHANNEL
They've increased the SIGHTINGS re-runs, although they've gotten a bit quirky
with the schedule. Figure 9:00 AM, 4:00 PM, (although some times it's 4:30)
and 8:00 PM (or 8:30 PM) most weekdays.
Sundays are typically 8:00 AM and 11:00 PM.

THE SCIENCE CHANNEL
Runs weird programming at 6:00 AM, 6:30 AM, 2:00 PM, 2:30 PM, 10:00 PM, and
10:30 PM

TNT
Sunday, August 2, 2:15 AM, BIGFOOT: MAN OR BEAST?
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              Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:53:09 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:14:34 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?


>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:19:52 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Greetings List

Of course, with Hynek, you have to look at *when* he said something.
During his Air Force tenure, he was a major player in debunking
the 1957 observations. I am not sure his 1977 opinion is much good
either as he did not have the extensive NICAP/CSI files available.

>In a recent posting I said that the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek
>didn't regard November 1957 as a genuine UFO wave. This elicited
>a negative response from certain parties. But, Dr. Hynek did in
>fact say that. His views on this can be found in The Hynek UFO
>Report (p. 262). The key sentence states; "First let us examine
>the two flaps of IFOs, those of 1957 and 1966." These are Dr.
>Hynek's words, not mine. This was in 1977, twenty years after
>the period in question. To further illustrate his views on the
>matter, it should be noted that his revised study of the Blue
>Book files classified only 25 cases as Unidentified for all of
>1957, not just November. Thus, Dr. Hynek had good reason to feel
>the way he did on this matter.

>I also said that misidentifications of Venus as a "UFO" were
>rampant during this period. This is correct. But, Venus had
>nothing remotely to do with Levelland, or many other cases
>during this period. However, it was a big factor in this wave.


There is no questions that Venus and the additional "sky
conscientiousness" because of Sputnik watchers increased the
number of sightings. However, there were sighting build ups
prior to each launch. It is highly unlike that these were
because of press attention.

>It's obvious that heavy media attention to Levelland and several
>other reports spawned a deluge of mistaken sightings of "UFOs".
>That some very strange events took place in November 1957 cannot
>be denied, but did a real wave take place? Apparently, Dr. Hynek
>didn't think so. I suspect he was right.

I suspect that Hynek's work on this wave like most others'
leaves *much* to be desired. There are well over 100 CEII cases
during 1957. (See Rodighier's and Cashman's EME catalogues)
Venus is hardly responsible for these. Only now with Loren
Gross' compilations are we starting to get a true view of what
was occurring. There was indeed a jump in the noise level, but
also a jump in high strangeness cases, that is close approaches
with effects: heat, EM, physiological, trace, odor and others.
The CE II component is nearly as intense as France in 1954.
Hardly an IFO wave.


> Regards, Herb Taylor

Regards,

Jan

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              Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:58:08 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:14:38 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?


>Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:19:52 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

> Greetings to the List:

>In a recent posting I said that the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek
>didn't regard November 1957 as a genuine UFO wave. This elicited
>a negative response from certain parties. But, Dr. Hynek did in
>fact say that. His views on this can be found in The Hynek UFO
>Report (p. 262). The key sentence states; "First let us examine
>the two flaps of IFOs, those of 1957 and 1966." These are Dr.
>Hynek's words, not mine. This was in 1977, twenty years after
>the period in question. To further illustrate his views on the
>matter, it should be noted that his revised study of the Blue
>Book files classified only 25 cases as Unidentified for all of
>1957, not just November. Thus, Dr. Hynek had good reason to feel
>the way he did on this matter.


I am glad that Taylor has clarified his remarks, which in their earlier
version were unclear (at least to me).  I had understood him to say Allen
Hynek thought that no real UFO events took place at Levelland or


elsewhere.  Taylor indeed paraphrases Hynek's sentiments accurately.

Nonetheless, it seems clear -- misleading Blue Book statistics
notwithstanding -- that some sort of wave occurred in November 1957.
In his comprehensive study of the wave phenomenon, Eddie Bullard
categorizes the 1957 events under the "short term, broad distribution"
subset.  See the discussion in The UFO Encyclopedia, 2nd Edition,
pp. 1006ff.  Also worth consulting is Alexander Mebane's coverage
of the wave in the appendix to Michel's Flying Saucers and the
Straight-Line Mystery (1958).

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                       Re: HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98

From: Nick Humphries <nick@the-den.clara.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:26:17 GMT
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 20:18:25 -0400
Subject: Re: HOT GOSSIP UK - August '98


>From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk>
>Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:14:31 +0100
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: HOT GOSSIP UK - August

>FEATURE

>Alternative 3, The Saga Lives On

>Alternative 3 was taken so seriously. The question is; why would
>a serious science investigative team who had a regular weekly
>documentary series - suddenly produce a hoax? Even taking into
>consideration that it was originally intended to be an April
>Fool hoax, it�s hardly fitting for a team of their calibre to
>produce such a programme.

Perhaps some of the older Brits who read this list can expand
upon this, but there was very very serious documentary on
"Spaghetti Trees"[*] - trees which grew spaghetti - by (I think)
Horizon or some other team of that calibre. This was shown on
April Fools Day one year (specifics can be, erm, specified by
other readers) and shows one thing:

Well-respected people (scientists, journalists, politicians(?),
etc...) have a sense of humour, and I'm sure that TV stations
worldwide have shown these types of "prank" programmes.

No harm is done as these pranks are usually owned up to - of
course all these programmes set off the conspiracy types, but
then that's sadly to be expected.

[*] PLEASE tell me you KNOW that spaghetti doesn't grow on trees
- if you didn't, well, you learn something new each day...

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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Jean van Gemert <jeanvg@dds.nl>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 02:59:15 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:21:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs
>Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 12:46:59 PDT

>[...]

>strong differences with debunkers, in my "Phil Klass versus the
>`UFO Promoters'," Fate, February 1981 [recently - or shortly to
>be - posted on the Science, Logic, and the UFO Debate website].)

Jerry, List,

The Fate article will be posted on the website somewhere, next
week - probably Wednesday or so. Still need to "pour" it into
HTML form.

--
Jean van Gemert
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                  Exciting Astrobiological Discovery - 'New

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk >
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:10:10 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:26:39 -0400
Subject: Exciting Astrobiological Discovery - 'New


From: The New Scientist August 1 1998.

URL: http://www.newscientist.com:80/ns/980801/naliendiet.html


Stig


*******


An alien diet
by
Philip Cohen

A team of American biologists is starting to explore the
possibilities by weaning Earth bacteria onto a diet that they
would not normally encounter on this planet.

"We don't know all the possibilities for life," says Andrew
Ellington of the University of Texas, Austin. "If we found life
on another planet, what could it be like, where could it live,
what might it eat?" The search for life on Mars and other
planets might eventually answer some of these questions, he said
last week at an astrobiology workshop at the NASA Ames Research
Center near San Francisco.

Meanwhile, however, Ellington has decided to take a different
approach. If he couldn't find an extraterrestrial, he could try
to make one instead. The building blocks of life might be very
different on another planet, so he and his team decided to see
if a terrestrial microbe could adapt to a major change in its
diet.

They grew a strain of the bacterium Escherichia coli that can't
make the amino acid tryptophan, an essential part of proteins.
As a result, it requires a constant supply of tryptophan to
grow.

The researchers also gave it a related synthetic amino acid,
fluorotryptophan. This might conceivably be an essential
component of life on another planet, but to life as we know it,
fluorotryptophan is poison. When substituted for tryptophan, the
impostor is incorporated into E. coli proteins and cripples the
cells, killing them after about three divisions.

When the researchers gave the bacterial cultures a mixture of 95
per cent fluorotryptophan and 5 per cent normal tryptophan, the
organisms barely coped and grew only slowly. But after many
generations, the microbes started to divide more rapidly,
suggesting they had developed mutations that helped them cope
with fluorotryptophan's toxic effects. In small steps, the
researchers increased the amount of the synthetic amino acid.
The cells were eventually able to survive on a diet with 100 per
cent fluorotryptophan and have divided for seven generations.

"The bacteria grow incredibly slowly," says Ellington, "but they
are continuing to divide." His team is eager to discover what
genetic tricks the microorganism has used to develop a taste for
this unusual dish.

Ellington thinks this "unnatural selection" could encourage
terrestrial microbes to live on inhospitable planets with very
different sources of food. "There's no reason to think we can't
simulate a piece of Mars in the lab and then coax something to
live on it," he says.

He even suggests that such bacteria could terraform other
worlds, by digesting toxic compounds in the soil and giving off
gases that would help to make a planet's atmosphere more
suitable for people to live on.

From New Scientist, 1 August 1998

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                  New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:49:06 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 05:00:57 -0400
Subject: New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity

>From the BBC. URL:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_142000/142889.stm

Stig

*******

BBC News Online: Sci/Tech

Friday, July 31, 1998 Published at 07:58 GMT 08:58 UK

Mars meteorite in UK hands

UK scientists are hoping to make the next breakthrough in the
search for evidence of life on Mars.

They are analysing a small sample of a meteorite which landed in
the Sahara desert.

A UK team is also trying to raise enough money to send their own
robot explorer to study the surface of the red planet.

The meteorite left Mars a million years ago and is the size of a
melon.

The discovery comes two years after American scientists said
they had found microscopic fossils in another Mars meteorite.

Very expensive rock Nasa scientist Everett Gibson, who led that
investigation, said: "We found the remains of biological
activity.

"I'm optimistic and looking forward to hopefully getting a few
grammes of this material and we can put the powerful analytical
tools to begin to decode the messages carried by this rock."

But the new Mars rock is in the hands of a private collector who
could sell it for millions.

British scientists have been given a tiny sample and the leading
expert has made a passionate appeal to the collector for a
bigger slice.

Dr Monica Grady of the Natural History Museum said: "Please give
the scientific community about 20 to 50 grams of meteorite to
work with."

She added: "You won't regret it."

UK calling Mars Analysing meteorites is the cheapest way of
gathering information on Mars. But there are now plans to send a
UK probe to the planet.

Top UK space scientist Professor Colin Pillinger has unveiled
his plans for Project Beagle, a tiny robot that would land on
the surface of Mars.

It would travel to the planet on board Europe's Mars Express and
parachute onto the surface of Mars to probe and analyse the soil
for signs of life.

The project now has three months to find =A325m to finance its
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                   Re: Sheffield Flying Triangle Incident

From: Max Burns <AlienHype1@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:04:51 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:20:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Sheffield Flying Triangle Incident


For those of you who have been following the Shefield Flying
Triangle Incident from March 24th 1997 England

You can read my updated report at these sites.... your comments
to the Lists, groups or in person by email are welcome.

Where the Sheffield Incident can be read:

http://www.soft.net.uk/staffs/ufoesp/maxreport.html

http://www.pufori.org/articles/sheffield/index_nf.htm

http://www.skipnet.com/~visitations/sheffield/


Max Burns <Alienhype1@Aol.com>






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                Re: Assistance Request [Texas files included]

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:11:13 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:31:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Assistance Request [Texas files included]


>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:05:26 -0500
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
>Subject: Assistance Request

>Greetings Errol and List Recipients:

>Because of a bit of a research project we're embarking on,
>I need as many sighting reports as I can get from the period
>of 1970 through 1975, specifically in the DFW  Dallas- Fort
>Worth/North Texas area.

>If you can assist in this matter, even with individual reports
>from the area/time line needed, feel free to e-mail me directly,
>at: infohead@airmail.net

>Any and all help will be sincerely appreciated and earnestly
>acknowledged.

>Thanks in advance, and regards from the Land of Heat Stroke,

Dear Glenn,

I should have read your email more carefully.

You specifically wanted the time-frame 1970 to 1975 in the Dallas
- Ft. Worth area and points North.

The map I sent (privately, it is lengthy) shows that this what I
call a cluster area... and I note as you did that the area
directly north of DFW is much busier than the area to the South!

I include 2 text files, extracted from the *U* UFO Database:

DFW.TXT lists sightings between 96 and 98 degrees West by 32 to
34 degrees North. This is for all dates, since I have few
listings that match both date and location criteria.

The second file is Bydates.TXT, which gives all my Texas listings
for 1970 thru 1975. These are of reasonable length so I am
copying them to the UpDates list.

Glenn: Please disregard the unrelated message which I
inadvertently attached to the bottom of my private email to you.

Best wishes

-  Larry Hatch


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Ref# 2 VALLEE:UFOS IN SPACE:Anatomy/phenon. Page No. 1 FARMLANDS

#195: 1897/4/15  0:0  30  97:12:0W  33:14:20N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 8
DENTON,TX+OTHER TOWNS:CIGAR W/2 BLINDING SEARCHLITES:GREAT WINGS:GOES>>SW
Ref# 108 CLARK,J+Coleman,L: THE UNIDENTIFIED  Page No. 144 FARMLANDS

#729: 1947/7/1  12:50  1  97:3:0W  32:50:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
SR183 W/DALLAS,TX:2+GIRL:'FLAT-BALOON" DISK >>SW/CLOUD LEVEL/14sec:FAST:NFD
Ref# 187 BLOECHER,Ted:REPORT/UFO WAVE of 1947 Case No. 134 ROAD+RAILS

#905: 1947/7/6  21:0  1  96:46:0W  32:47:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 8
DALLAS,TX:3+OBS:LUMn.DISK VFAST/3K'alt N>>S:RIM GLOWS:NO TRACES/EFFECTS
Ref# 187 BLOECHER,Ted:REPORT/UFO WAVE of 1947 Case No. 500 METROPOLIS

#1318: 1949/7/24  20:30  1  97:19:0W  32:43:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 8
FORT WORTH,TX:BBK#411:AF CAPT+MAJOR:7 DULL NLTS/VFORM N>>S:POSS.DLT=
 STRUCTURE?
Ref# 133 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1949/2 books Book # 2  Page 13 METROPOLIS

#1431: 1950/3/16  17:30  2  96:48:0W  32:46:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 7
DALLAS,TX:NAVY CPO LEWIS:25'SCR STOPS RIGHT UNDER B36 BOMBER:THEN ZIPS ^
Ref# 29 RUPPELT,E.J.:The REPORT ON UFOS.     Page No. 75 METROPOLIS

#1536: 1950/4/18  10:50  5  96:36:0W  33:38:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
SHERMAN,TX:2 MIL WIVES:18-20 FLAT SLNT SLVR SCRS RACE >>N:MNVR/4-5min
Ref# 134 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1950/3 books Book # 2  Page 27 RESIDENT'L

#1711: 1951/1/8  22:50  6  97:20:0W  32:40:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 9
S/FORT WORTH,TX:BBK#864:15'DLTS/NLTS GO OVHD+BY US81:1 >N/LO ALT:LITE HUM
Ref# 135 GROSS,Loren: UFOS a HISTORY - 1951   Page No. 1 ROAD+RAILS

#1847: 1952/2/24  19:40  1  96:35:0W  33:39:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
SHERMAN,TX:MIL+CIV OBS:ROUND OBJs W/BIG HALOS in TIGHT CIRCLES CLIMB+FADE=
 AWAY
Ref# 185 BERLINER,DON: The BLUEBOOK UNKNOWNS  Page No. 20 RESIDENT'L

#1870: 1952/4/4  19:30  1  96:55:0W  32:39:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
DUNCANVILLE,TX:BBK:2 RDR OPs:BLIP TRACKED at 2160mph/1min:TYPE UNK/NO=
 VISUAL:
Ref# 185 BERLINER,DON: The BLUEBOOK UNKNOWNS  Page No. 7 MIL. BASE

#1898: 1952/4/16  22:0  2  96:48:0W  32:44:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 8
nr DALLAS,TX:CAMPERS:1 WHT+4 RED+4 YEL NLTS:CROSS SKY:MAKE 90-TURN+FLY AWAY
Ref# 136 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1952/6 books Book # 1  Page 42 PASTURE

#1920: 1952/4/23  17:0  2  97:20:0W  32:44:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 6
FORT WORTH,TX:NEWSPAPER REPORTER:50 PINK GLOWING WINGED OBJS CROSS SKY/FORMn
Ref# 85 LESLIE,D & ADAMSKI,G:FS HAVE LANDED: Page No. 60 METROPOLIS

#2363: 1952/8/11  21:40  1  97:18:0W  32:43:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
FORT WORTH,TX:2 OBS:CIRCLE/WHT LITE:2 NLTS WOBBLE INSIDE:SILENT:PASS>W/30sec
Ref# 136 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1952/6 books Book # 4  Page 36 RESIDENT'L

#2375: 1952/8/13  23:0  1  96:47:0W  32:47:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  5 8
DALLAS,TX:BBK:AL PILOT CHASES NLT/900M:TURNS+DIVES away:BACK=
 21AUG:/r136#4p39
Ref# 242 HALL,Richard:The UFO EVIDENCE /NICAP Page No. 40 METROPOLIS

#2390: 1952/8/17  20:50  3  96:54:20W  32:39:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 10
DUNCANVILLE,TX:NLT MNVRS ALL OVR:RDR-CONFIRM:300mph:SVRL SUDDEN=
 TURNS:UID/BBK
Ref# 136 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1952/6 books Book # 4  Page 48 MIL. BASE

#2397: 1952/8/19  20:0  6  96:49:0W  32:47:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 8
DALLAS,TX:STOREY+2/HENSLEY NAS:2 NLTS HVR/5min:1 DROPS+RISES:BOTH >>NW
Ref# 136 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1952/6 books Book # 4  Page 49 MIL. BASE

#2473: 1952/9/13  17:0  18  97:20:0W  32:43:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 6
Ft WORTH,TX:WHT CGR-SHAPE JUST E/MOONs IMAGE/18min:SHOOTS AWAY/TERRIFIC=
 SPEED
Ref# 136 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1952/6 books Book # 5  Page 28 TOWN &CITY

#2692: 1953/1/6  1:10  120  96:51:0W  32:52:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 11
LOVE FIELD+DALLAS,TX:ATCS+MANY:DLT >>S fm PARIS,TX:2000mph:RISES>80K'+FAST:
Ref# 137 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1953/3 books Book # 1  Page 7 METROPOLIS

#2739: 1953/2/13  2:40  10  97:19:0W  32:44:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 8
CARSWELL AFB,TX:RDR-VIS/B36 BOMBER CREW:3 NLTS/FORMn:ROLLS+MNVRS:NFD:/r242
Ref# 37 CONDON,Dr Edward: SCIENTIFIC STUDY.. Page No. 123 MIL. BASE

#2844: 1953/7/26  21:40  16  96:32:0W  33:46:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 11
PERRIN AFB+DENISON+SHERMAN,TX:MANY OBS:CIA WIRE:7 UFOS=
 MNVR/5-8K'ALT:/MFJ#242
Ref# 25 HALL,Richard:  UNINVITED GUESTS.     Page No. 360 MIL. BASE

#3040: 1954/2/4  23:0  10  97:25:40W  32:46:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  7 10
CARSWELL AFB,TX:4 ATCs+RDR+:HUGE SLNT CGR/4K':SEP.BLIPS PART+REJOIN:/MFJ#250
Ref# 120 GOOD,Timothy: ABOVE TOP SECRET.      Page No. 281 MIL. BASE

#3122: 1954/5/14  15:0  12  96:54:0W  32:50:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  6 9
6mi W/DALLAS,TX:4 USMC JETS CHASE 16 SCRS/10km alt:>>N:/MFJ#253+/r242p32
Ref# 173 KEHOE,Donald: The F.S. CONSPIRACY    Page No. 145 IN-FLIGHT

#3305: 1954/9/3  16:30  60  96:45:0W  32:45:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 10
nr DALLAS,TX:B47 CREW+GND RDR:MTL CGR W/PORTS+:ORG=
 FLAME/REAR:ZIPS^+^:CIRCLES
Ref# 200 CUFOS: INTERNATIONAL UFO REPORTER    Volume 8 Issue 5 MIL. BASE

#3873: 1954/11/3  0:0  3  97:19:20W  32:23:40N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 6
BURLESON,TX:10'SCR/RED-ORG GLOW:SILENT:TRAILS WHT SPARKS:GONE IN BURST/SPEED
Ref# 138 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1954/5 books Book # 5  Page 8 RESIDENT'L

#4129: 1955/6/20  22:10  30  96:48:0W  32:47:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
DALLAS,TX:2 OBS:RED SCR MAKES 3 90sec PASSES/10min INTERVALS:SEE BRYAN,TX
Ref# 139 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1955/3 books Book # 1  Page 77 RESIDENT'L

#4343: 1956/4/4  15:20  360  96:30:0W  33:12:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 7
7mi E/McKINNEY,TX:BBK#4050:2 OBS:2M UFO LANDS/FLD 100M AWAY:FANTASTIC SPEED
Ref# 2 VALLEE:UFOS IN SPACE:Anatomy/phenon. Page No. 183 PASTURE

#4393: 1956/6/27  22:0  1  96:48:0W  32:49:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  6 7
N.DALLAS,TX:AM.ASTRONOMERS/BINOCS+TSCOPE:ROUND BODY GLOWS/PULSES:S/L >>HRZN
Ref# 140 GROSS,L.:UFOs a HISTORY-1956/5 books Book # 2  Page 56 RESIDENT'L

#4530: 1956/9/4  21:0  23  96:47:0W  32:48:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 9
DALLAS,TX:BBK#4379:MIL OBS+FAMILY:STAR CHANGES CLRS:HVRS+MNVRS:>>W AGNST=
 WIND
Ref# 185 BERLINER,DON: The BLUEBOOK UNKNOWNS  Page No. 26 METROPOLIS

#4625: 1957/1/16  20:0  40  97:30:0W  32:55:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 8
NW/Ft.WORTH,TX:FBL MNVRS ALLO:FOLOS 2 SEP AF B25s:RDO COMPASS EME:FLASHES=
 CODE
Ref# 141 GROSS,L:UFOs a HISTORY-1957/10 books Book # 1  Page 22 IN-FLIGHT

#4668: 1957/4/5  18:0  2  96:50:0W  32:46:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  6 6
DALLAS,TX:OVOID > SW:MOVES TO+FRO 6X:WHT CENTER+RED-GLOW EDGE:>>SSW:USAF=
 INV.
Ref# 141 GROSS,L:UFOs a HISTORY-1957/10 books Book # 2  Page 27 METROPOLIS

#4832: 1957/9/19  1:0  20  97:0:0W  32:45:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  6 8
DALLAS-FT WORTH,TX:BARN-SIZE UFO PLAYS CAT&MOUSE/AF PLANE:3 OBS:/r33p261
Ref# 37 CONDON,Dr Edward: SCIENTIFIC STUDY.. Page No. 136 METROPOLIS

#5571: 1960/9/29  18:20  14  97:7:0W  32:44:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 9
ARLINGTON,TX:PAA RADIOMAN+SVRL:ORG STAR/ERRATIC MNVRS:STARTS+STOPS:AWAY FAST
Ref# 242 HALL,Richard:The UFO EVIDENCE /NICAP Page No. 45 RESIDENT'L

#5888: 1963/3/22  15:40  2  96:43:40W  32:57:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 6
RICHARDSON,TX:1 OBS:2 DULL-WHITE OVOIDS >>E FAST:2 MORE >>W:1 TURNS >>N
Ref# 210 The APRO BULLETIN. (J & C Lorenzen)  Volume 12 Issue 3 RESIDENT'L

#6380: 1965/8/2  0:0  10  97:17:40W  33:5:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 10
JUSTIN,TX:DEPUTIES:BLAZING FBL 'LANDS' nr WAGLE Mtn LAKE:no traces=
 found/Atic
Ref# 8 VALLEE,Jacques: PASSPORT TO MAGONIA. Case No. 667 PASTURE

#6383: 1965/8/2  2:20  250  96:49:0W  32:46:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 9
DALLAS,TX:TRIANGULAR FORMn/NLTs CRISS-CROSS SKY TIL DAWN:FLASH=
 RED-GRN-BLU-WHT
Ref# 78 LOFTIN,Robert: IDENTIFIED FLYING S.: Page No. 69 METROPOLIS

#6388: 1965/8/2  23:0  20  97:12:0W  33:15:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  7 7
DENTON,TX:OBJ WITHIN 100'/LEWISVILLE DAM:POSS.LANDING/LAKE NEARBY:type=
 unk:nfd
Ref# 111 LORENZEN,C:FS the STARTLING EVIDENCE Page No. 248 FARMLANDS

#6390: 1965/8/3  0:10  20  96:25:0W  33:38:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 10
13MI E/SHERMAN,TX:COPS++:SCR/RDR >>S:4 PHOTOS/NEWSMAN show SHARP EDGES:
Ref# 3 VALLEE:UFO ENIGMA: Challenge/Science Page No. 54 FARMLANDS

#6403: 1965/8/4  21:30  2  96:47:0W  32:46:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 6
DALLAS,TX:BBK#9675:RED+BLU NLTS:HUGE ORG OBJ FLIES OVER CAR/GND LEVEL:/Atic
Ref# 8 VALLEE,Jacques: PASSPORT TO MAGONIA. Case No. 672 METROPOLIS

#8385: 1969/9/0  22:0  1  97:18:0W  32:44:0N  3211  NAM USA TXS  7 5
Ft.WORTH,TX:3'BOAT FLOATS/20'alt/BACKYARD:^/3':WHIRRS:BLU-GRN GLOW:ZOOMS UP^
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 336 RESIDENT'L

#9090: 1972/8/24  21:50  7  97:2:0W  32:55:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 8
DALLAS-Ft.WORTH AIRPORT:6 OBS:10M DOMED SCR CCLS:SLOW SPIN:SLNT:JETS=
 NEAR:>>NW
Ref# 210 The APRO BULLETIN. (J & C Lorenzen)  Volume 72 Issue 7 METROPOLIS

#9749: 1973/11/3  21:10  5  96:59:40W  33:2:40N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 6
nr LEWISVILLE,TX:SCR VLO/GOLF COURSE:TRUCK SHAKES:ENGINE+LITES+RADIO=
 EME:/r231
Ref# 79 RODEGHIER,Mark:UFO RPTS/VEHICLE INTF Page No. 60 RESIDENT'L

#10166: 1974/5/5  22:0  5  97:4:40W  32:56:0N  3321  NAM USA TXS  7 9
GRAPEVINE,TX:2+2 OBS:NLT MNVRS OVR FLD NR AIRPORT:CIRCLE/BURNT GRASS FOUND
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 253 TOWN &CITY

#11900: 1978/3/4  20:30  1  96:35:0W  33:40:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  4 8
N/SHERMAN,TX:NEWSMAN+SVRL:WHT FALLING STAR MAKES 90=F8 TURN >>N:RED=
 LITE/SIDE
Ref# 24 NICAP: UFO INVESTIGATOR              Volume 9 Issue 5 RESIDENT'L

#12586: 1979/8/19  22:20  4  96:50:0W  32:47:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
DALLAS,TX:2 OBS:ROUND OBJ W/GLOWING PORTHOLES IN THUNDERSTORM:DARTS>>SE
Ref# 200 CUFOS: INTERNATIONAL UFO REPORTER    Volume 4 Issue 6 METROPOLIS

#12820: 1980/6/0  1:0  30  96:35:0W  33:38:0N  3312  NAM USA TXS  8 5
SHERMAN,TX:ODD SOUNDS+LITES:ALLAGASH-JIM LEVITATED/BED:POSS.MST:(rpt=
 abductee)
Ref# 155 FOWLER,Raymond;The ALLAGASH ABDUCTNS Page No. 232 RESIDENT'L

#13278: 1982/9/14  22:30  2  96:37:40W  32:19:40N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
ENNIS,TX:2 OBS:SLNT HOUSE-SIZE OBJ/20'alt RISES ovr WATER TOWER:RINGED/LITES
Ref# 210 The APRO BULLETIN. (J & C Lorenzen)  Volume 31 Issue 4 RESIDENT'L

#13439: 1984/1/26  20:20  80  96:12:0W  32:12:40N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 6
W/CEDAR CREEK RSVR,TX:1+BOY:RFI:CAR O-O-CONTROL:NLTS=
 OVHD:75min/MST:/r210v32#6
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 197 ROAD+RAILS

#14421: 1989/11/17  18:0  2  96:49:0W  32:48:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  12 7
DALLAS,TX:2 OBS:PSH APPARENTLY DOES MINDSCAN/BOB OECHSLER IN PUBLIC:SEE REF!
Ref# 125 GOOD,Timothy: ALIEN CONTACT.         Page No. 229 METROPOLIS

#14428: 1989/11/26  21:40  10  96:48:0W  32:48:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
DALLAS,TX:1 WOMAN:BIZARRE TRIANGLR SHIP W/DAZZLING CLRD LITES:HAZE ALL=
 AROUND:
Ref# 220 NATIONAL UFO REP.CTR (NURC)  SEATTLE Volume 10 Issue 1 METROPOLIS

#14928: 1991/4/14  22:30  10  96:22:20W  33:59:20N  3333  NAM USA OKL  8 7
DURANT,OK:50cm FBL+SCR/MOVES/RESPONSE/KIDS MOTIONS:RETRACTIBLE=
 BEAM:/MFJ#291.
Ref# 253 SIEFRIED & CARTER: NATIVE ENCOUNTERS Page No. 24 RESIDENT'L

#15046: 1991/12/0  14:0  2  96:45:0W  34:0:0N  3311  NAM USA OKL  6 10
MARSHALL co,OK:SVRL/HOSPITAL:DELTA WHOOSHES BY:"NO PLANE/METEOR"
Ref# 60 UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE: by Issue # Issue No. 282 TOWN &CITY

#15255: 1992/8/25  22:50  40  96:23:0W  34:0:0N  3333  NAM USA OKL  8 8
DURANT,OK:4 OBS:BLU+WHT+YLW CONE OBJ W/BEAMS^:MNVRS+JERKS+SWINGS ABOUT:/r147
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 305 RESIDENT'L

#16370: 1995/6/11  0:0  6  97:23:20W  32:21:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 9
CLEBURNE,TX:SVRL GOLFERS:ODD MTLC CGR HVRS:5min/VIDEOTAPE/PROF.PHOTOGRAPHER
Ref# 220 NATIONAL UFO REP.CTR (NURC)  SEATTLE Volume 10 Issue 1 RESIDENT'L

#16628: 1995/11/18  0:10  300  96:34:0W  33:47:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 7
N/DENISON,TX:NLTS/IMPOSS.MNVRS OVR RED Rvr BLW D.DAM:many meteors same nite
Ref# 96 WEBSITE or UFO-BBS.     Press Ctrl-R Site # 110 PASTURE

#17073: 1997/5/5  20:50  2  97:3:0W  33:1:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  5 8
FLOWER MOUND+DALLAS,TX:SEP.OBS:200M RIGID CURVE/NLTS >>N OVHD:ABS.SLNT:/NURC
Ref# 240 UFO ROUNDUP website. Joseph Trainor  Volume 2 Issue # 19 METROPOLIS

#17183: 1998/4/12  11:0  1  96:53:40W  32:55:40N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 8
FARMERS BRANCH,TX:EX USAF MAN+FAMILY/I35:BLK RND OBJ >>OVHD/1440 MPH!
Ref# 240 UFO ROUNDUP website. Joseph Trainor  Volume 3 Issue # 16 ROAD+RAILS

#9026: 1972/7/27  0:0  5  95:18:0W  32:21:20N  3331  NAM USA TXS  7 8
TYLER,TX:5 OBS:SILENT SCR RISES/TREES:R+G+B LITES/UNDERSIDE:MNVRS ALLO/LO=
 ALT
Ref# 166 McWAYNE,Glenn: The NEW UFO SIGHTINGS Page No. 47 RESIDENT'L

#9491: 1973/9/5  21:50  5  106:9:20W  31:30:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 9
FABEN+SIERRA BLANCA+CLINT,TX:BRILL.OBJ SEEN WIDELY SE/EL PASO:/El Paso Times
Ref# 231 CONTACT/UK: The UFO REGISTER by year YEAR =3D74 DESERT

#9696: 1973/10/23  2:30  10  98:30:0W  29:23:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 10
SAN ANTONIO,TX:ATC+PILOTS+RDR++:RED FBL MNVRS ALLO AIRPORT:>NW + ^^:/r181p24
Ref# 210 The APRO BULLETIN. (J & C Lorenzen)  Volume 74 Issue 9 METROPOLIS

#9749: 1973/11/3  21:10  5  96:59:40W  33:2:40N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 6
nr LEWISVILLE,TX:SCR VLO/GOLF COURSE:TRUCK SHAKES:ENGINE+LITES+RADIO=
 EME:/r231
Ref# 79 RODEGHIER,Mark:UFO RPTS/VEHICLE INTF Page No. 60 RESIDENT'L

#9784: 1973/11/13  18:50  3  98:34:0W  29:2:20N  3323  NAM USA TXS  8 6
POTEET,TX:UID OBJ OVR CAR:DROPS LIQUID:THIN GRN FIGs TRY/STOP CAR:PAINT=
 PEELS
Ref# 178 WEBB,David:'73-YEAR of the HUMANOIDS Page No. 20 ROAD+RAILS

#9785: 1973/11/14  6:30  10  97:30:0W  25:55:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 8
nr BROWNSVILLE,TX:RED SLNT SCR PACES 2 COPS/CRUISER:PRISONERS/REAR=
 PANIC:LANDS
Ref# 176 STRINGFIELD,Leonard: SITUATION RED   Page No. 139 ROAD+RAILS

#9788: 1973/11/15  20:30  90  96:40:0W  30:58:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  6 9
CALVERT,TX:CHRONIC RFI as NLTS+ORBS+DISK FLY:/SAGA Spring'75 p20-23
Ref# 231 CONTACT/UK: The UFO REGISTER by year YEAR =3D74 TOWN &CITY

#9800: 1973/11/18  20:20  10  96:32:0W  31:16:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
NE/ROSEBUD,TX:2/CAR CHASED/TRIANGLE/LO ALT:/r231'74p82+Dallas Times 20.11.73
Ref# 38 HUNT,Gerry:BIZARRE AMERICA:oddities. Page No. 62 FARMLANDS

#9807: 1973/11/21  19:30  2  96:35:0W  30:59:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 9
E/CALVERT,TX:SVRL OBS:2 ROUNDED BOXES W/DOMES SUBMERGE/BRAZOS=
 Rvr:/r231'74p82
Ref# 201 SIFAKIS,Carl: Official Guide to UFOs Page No. 42 FARMLANDS

#9809: 1973/11/22  0:0  1  96:41:0W  31:10:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 8
nr BREMOND,TX:5 OBS:ROUND OBJ W.POINTS >> SR14/LO ALT:Rosebud News 22.11.73
Ref# 231 CONTACT/UK: The UFO REGISTER by year YEAR =3D74 ROAD+RAILS

#9857: 1973/12/7  3:0  2  96:40:0W  31:9:0N  3332  NAM USA TXS  8 7
nr BREMOND,TX:2 HUNTERS:HUGE SLNT UFO OVHD:BULLETS RICHOCHET/MTLC SOUND
Ref# 231 CONTACT/UK: The UFO REGISTER by year YEAR =3D74 FARMLANDS

#9865: 1973/12/11  18:30  6  96:40:0W  30:59:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  7 8
CALVERT,TX:3/CAR:SCR OVR COW PEN:TOWER+ANTENNAS:WHOOSH/TAKEOFF:LANDS?:TRACES
Ref# 180 PHILLIPS,Ted/CUFOS: PHYSICAL TRACES: Page No. 98 PASTURE

#9875: 1973/12/19  0:0  5  96:41:0W  30:59:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  6 9
nr CALVERT,TX:CREW/FARM WORKERS PACED/OBJ/TREETOP ALT:STOPS+TURNS W/TRUCK
Ref# 231 CONTACT/UK: The UFO REGISTER by year YEAR =3D74 FARMLANDS

#10166: 1974/5/5  22:0  5  97:4:40W  32:56:0N  3321  NAM USA TXS  7 9
GRAPEVINE,TX:2+2 OBS:NLT MNVRS OVR FLD NR AIRPORT:CIRCLE/BURNT GRASS FOUND
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 253 TOWN &CITY

#10266: 1974/8/2  0:0  15  96:41:0W  30:58:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  7 7
CALVERT,TX:2/CAR CHASED/MILES:OBJ.ROARS+PULSES:MTLC NOISES:CAR SHAKEN BADLY
Ref# 195 FLYING SAUCER REVIEW: (London)       Volume 20 Issue 4 ROAD+RAILS

#10413: 1974/10/23  0:0  3  98:28:0W  29:28:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  7 11
SAN ANTONIO,TX:MANY VIS+RDRs+ATCs:2 747s "SANDWICH" RED FBL:^/INCREDIBLE=
 SPD:
Ref# 225 SPENCER,John W.: The UFO YEARBOOK  : Page No. 165 TOWN &CITY

#10429: 1974/11/11  18:40  1  97:58:0W  30:29:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 9
NW/AUSTIN,TX:3 PINK UFOS HVR NR PROJ.STARLITE FACILITY:2 SHOW AS=
 STREAKS/FOTOS
Ref# 170 STANFORD,Ray:SOCORRO SAUCER in a PP: Page No. 188 PASTURE

#10491: 1975/1/16  19:30  5  97:18:20W  31:38:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 7
CHINA SPRINGS,TX:2 OBS:CLUSTER/LITES HVRS/FIELD:>40'OVER CAR:SHOOTS^ FAST:
Ref# 195 FLYING SAUCER REVIEW: (London)       Volume 21 Issue 2 ROAD+RAILS

#10551: 1975/3/10  12:30  1  102:36:40W  33:36:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  9 10
WHITEFACE,TX:SURGICALLY MUT'D COW IN 30' CROP CCL:BULL IN SEP C-CIRCLE=
 NEARBY
Ref# 7 VALLEE,Jacques: MESSENGERS/DECEPTION Page No. 185 PASTURE

#10630: 1975/5/5  21:20  2  98:28:40W  28:58:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  8 6
PLEASANTON,TX:1/TRUCK:SCR RISES/GND:2 FIGs IN DOME:BLINDING LITES:HANDS=
 NUMB..
Ref# 243 SCHUESSLER,J: PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECTS: Page No. 64 ROAD+RAILS

#10941: 1975/12/0  22:30  1  95:35:40W  29:42:40N  3313  NAM USA TXS  8 6
ALIEF,TX:1 OBS:PENTAGON OBJ 1K'alt=
 >>N/120+mph:LITES/CORNERS+PANEL/CENTER:HUMS
Ref# 160 MUFON UFO JOURNAL   (by issue no.)   Issue No. 164 RESIDENT'L

#10948: 1975/12/10  12:0  3  97:58:0W  29:35:0N  3331  NAM USA TXS  5 9
nr SEGUIN,TX:MUTILATED CALF FOUND:SLNT COPTERS REPORTED ABOUT THIS DATE.
Ref# 26 FAWCETT+GREENWOOD:  UFO COVERUP.     Page No. 103 PASTURE

#10949: 1975/12/10  21:0  10  97:58:0W  30:30:0N  3333  NAM USA TXS  6 9
20m NW/AUSTIN,TX:6 OBS+42 FOTOS:PROJECT STARLITE:UFO=
 HVRS/10min:SHOOTS>>RIGHT
Ref# 170 STANFORD,Ray:SOCORRO SAUCER in a PP: Page No. 186 PASTURE

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                   Splitting UFO [was : Kal! You're here!]

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:18:17 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:40:00 -0400
Subject: Splitting UFO [was : Kal! You're here!]


>From: TotlResrch@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 00:04:07 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Kal! You're here!

>Unless I am mistaken, I believe I posted the details of my
>sighting back in May of 1997 -- last year!

>Those who want to know its' details, can check the UFO UpDates
>Archive for that month. If I find it sometime later this week I
>can re-post it, but it is "findable" by checking the archive. At
>least it was the last time I checked, several months ago.

>[Here's the post in question --ebk]:

>From: TotlResrch@aol.com [Kal Korff]
>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 06:08:58 -0400 (EDT)
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Kal K. Korff's UFO Sighting - The DETAILS!

>Recently, several of you have asked me about my own "UFO"
>sighting which I mentioned having had many years ago. In
>particular, Gary Alevy asked me for this information as well,
>so I hope Mr. Alevy that this posting provides you with enough
>information. If anyone has any more questions about my
>encounter, please feel free to contact me, but it may take me a
>few days to get back to you.>

>My Sighting of a "UFO"

<snip>

Kal described a nighttime, multiple witness, long-duration
sighting of a red light/object which split into two parts)
Sightings of splitting UFOs are not that uncommon! Here is a
report of a daytime sighting of "splitting UFO" (well, that's
better than a splitting headache, isn't it?)

This is from a letter sent to me by an amateur astronomer about
20 years ago. He sent me a copy one of his photos.. He lived
(lives?) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He said since 1975 he had
kept a camera set up on a tripod in case he should see something
of interest.

At 8:30 AM EST, October 21, 1978 he happened to notice a bright
spot in the morning sky. He decided he was seeing "Jupiter". He
thought it was neat to see Jupiter so late in the morning and
got his camera for a picture. No slouch, this camera! Fujica ST
901 with a Rikenon 600 lens and a 3X teleconverter making 1800
mm focal length... a small telescope!. He used ISO 400 film and
a shutter speed of 1/100 sec.. Estimated direction was 85
magnetic and 70 elevation. HE set up and photographed "Jupiter"
using the last 15 pictures in his 36 picture roll of film. He
then decided to continue to watch using 16 bnoculars. He watched
"Jupiter" for about 5 more when suddenly "the unexpected
happened. The object split into two equal parts of equal
brightness. Then a slight trail of smoke emitted from the
original, a slight trail of smoke or vapor emitted from the
second and then both disappeared as if someone had turned off a
light switch. I searched the sky but couldn't find them any
more." The photo image is elliptical...not much detail but with
a brighter spot near the bottom.

The image size was about 1/2 mm, implying an angular size of
2.8E-4 radians or 2.8 ft at 10,000 ft, assuming he was correct
in implying that the 600 mm lens had a 3x teleconverter (in my
correspondence with him years ago it appears there is some
question as to whether or not he might have meant that the
overall focal length was 600 mm and that the 3x teleconvertor
was actually on a Rikenon 200 mm lens. If the focal length were
"only" 600 mm ten the angular size was about 0.9 mr or 9 ft at
10,000 ft.). It is unfortunate that he ran out of film before
the splitting occurred.

After receiving this report I collected a few other slitting
sightings. They are reported in the International UFO Reporter:
IUR July 1979: Oct 10, 1978 in California, 6:35 AM witness was
a 61 year ol chemistry professor; saw Jupiter in morning with
binoculars, then noticed a bright moving light near Jupiter; it
subsequently fissioned and the parts moved apart.

IUR Sept-Oct, 1979, date: 7-17-79 in Iowa, 6-6:15 AM, two
witnesses saw a bright object in the sky, brighter than a star
which was motionless at first and then started moving upward.
While they were wondering if it could be a high altitude balloon
it suddenly split and the two parts zoomed upward at different
angles.

He probably would have told no one of his "Jupiter sighting" if
it hadn't been for the discussion following the publication in
Astronomy Magazine of the skeptical reaction to an article about
the Betty Hill star map (from the Betty and Barney Hill
abduction of Sept. 1961).






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                          Worthy cause? Here's one!

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:04:48 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:22:15 -0400
Subject: Worthy cause?  Here's one!

The Black Vault website supplies the largest source of FOIA
material available.

It has been available to all, free of charge.

Because of vast increases in meg space and computer equipment
that needs replacing now, donations are needed immediately to
keep Black Vault records available.

If you have been disturbed by government agencies and the
military not supplying information, feeling you could do nothing
to correct that, here is your chance to help uncover details, by
keeping the files of Black Vault operational. Money is needed
now to keep vital responses of Freedom of Information Act
requests filed for use of UFO/ET researchers. Sending a donation
is something you can really do about government cover-ups.

A post from Brian Zinkle bzinkle@mwt.net is reproduced below:


Unlike the U.S. government, whose documents John makes available
to us, The Black Vault cannot employ deficit spending. Neither
can it appeal to the International Monetary Fund for a loan. In
short, the funding of the Black Vault is largely up to its
users, you and me.

Not all of us can easily afford to make large contributions, but
if most of us don't make some sort of contribution, it is highly
likely that John will have to close the Vault's doors in the
near future. What will be the effect of this? His crusade to
make the U.S. government's grudgingly released UFO files
available to everyone worldwide will have been defeated. I would
not be surprised if this pleases certain powers that be.
Personally, I prefer government exposed to the bright light of
day.

John has sacrificed a great deal of time, money, and effort to
give this gift to the world. Now it is time for us to make some
sacrifices. Even a small contribution shows where you stand on
this issue, larger contributions make it exceedingly clear that
you think that we, the people, have a Need to Know.

John, my personal check is in the mail. If some "dark force"
intercepts it, I want you to scream bloody murder! 8^)

Please address your checks, money orders (preferably not cash),
and mail to John Greenewald, Jr.:

John Greenewald, Jr.
The Black Vault Headquarters
8707-D Lindley Ave.
Suite #105
Northridge, CA 91325
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Thank you for your time,

Brian Zinkle
bzinkle@mwt.net

Ditto: Doc Barry
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                        The Thoughts Of Chairman Bob

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 15:10:56 PDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:54:59 -0400
Subject: The Thoughts Of Chairman Bob


The following parody was just passed on to me by someone in the
skeptical movement. You may have already seen it. The author has
indicated it can be freely distributed (I am NOT the author). I
think it is pretty funny, and it also seems indicative of some
tensions among the "skeptics." Anyway, I thought you might like
to see it. -- Marcello Truzzi

An Interview with Nick Cooper, Paranormal Investigator


Today we meet with Nick Cooper, former private detective,
paranormal investigator, feng shui instructor, and rodeo clown.

INTERVIEWER: So, Mr. Cooper, why don't you tell us a little bit
about yourself?

[THREE HOURS GOES BY AS COOPER TALKS ABOUT HIMSELF.]

INTERVIEWER: Uh... Mr. Cooper, perhaps we should have been more
specific. Who do you work for?

COOPER: I work for the truth in all things and the greater
glorification of truth and reason as personified by me.

INTERVIEWER: And who pays for that?

COOPER: An organizaton located in Plattsburgh, New York. It's
called C.S.I.C.A.A.P. or the Committee for the Sensationalized
Instigation of Clowns Arguing Against the Paranormal.

INTERVIEWER: And who founded this organization?

COOPER: My dear friend, the famed philosopher Professor Bob.

INTERVIEWER: That sounds very interesting. Who runs this organization?

COOPER: Friends of Professor Bob. Professor Bob is our founder.

INTERVIEWER: And who chose Professor Bob?

COOPER: Professor Bob.

INTERVIEWER: Uh... Okay, tell us about what you do for this
organization.

COOPER: I have several duties. The first is that I frequently
appear on lurid talk shows where I encounter sad and confused
people who are being exploited by the major television networks.

INTERVIEWER: That's interesting. And what do you do for these
sad and confused people who are being exploited by the major
television networks?

COOPER: I call them names and attempt to embarrass them and make
them look like shit in front of millions of people.

INTERVIEWER: Why not discuss things politely with them?

COOPER: Because these shows are really pretty sleazy. There's no
chance to explain anything in detail on them. You only have time
to scream and call people names. Besides, Professor Bob hasn't
yet written his thesis on Courtesy for Circular Humanists, so I
wouldn't know how.

INTERVIEWER: Well, does the audience listen to you and become
interested in what you have to say?

COOPER: Oh no. We've found that the audiences on these shows
rarely convert to our point of view. In fact, they generally
think I'm a pompous, egotistical, selfish, loud-mouthed son of a
bitch! Can you imagine? Obviously, these people are of little
intelligence. Even more importantly, they are not friends of
Professor Bob

INTERVIEWER: Then why appear on these shows in the first place?

COOPER: It's simple. The more times I appear on these shows, the
more often they run such shows. The more often they run such
shows, the more often we can cite appearing on these shows as a
great accomplishment when we mail our fund raising letters to
the friends of Professor Bob.

INTERVIEWER: Don't the friends of Professor Bob catch on to
this?

COOPER: Oh no! The friends of Professor Bob never watch those
shows.

INTERVIEWER: I see. What else do you do?

COOPER: I travel around giving talks to groups of open minded
people who we feel may be swayed to science and reason...

INTERVIEWER: Could you define "Science and Reason"?

COOPER: No, that task belongs to Professor Bob and Professor Bob
alone.

INTERVIEWER: Okay, and when you meet these people who might be
swayed to science and reason, what do you do for them?

COOPER: I tell them how wonderful I am and insult them and their
deeply held beliefs. I especially enjoy insulting people who
wander in with a completely open mind and have never heard my
point of view before.

INTERVIEWER: I see. Well, why don't you tell us why this is
important? What do you consider the number one threat to science
and reason in this country today?

COOPER: Oh that's very simple. What we call "pseudo-science" is
definitely on the rise. But there's a more important, more
insidious threat to our cause today.

INTERVIEWER: And what might that be?

COOPER: Michael Shermer and the Skeptic Society in California.

INTERVIEWER: Why is Michael Shermer a threat to science and
reason? I don't understand.

COOPER: It's very simple. Michael Shermer does not follow the
word of Professor Bob. Those who do not follow the word of
Professor Bob should never be allowed to claim to represent
science and reason.

INTERVIEWER: Is Professor Bob a religious figure?

COOPER: He's a Circular Humanist. Circular Humanists have no
religious beliefs.

INTERVIEWER: Why do you use the term "Circular Humanists"?

COOPER: Because we wanted something that combined our belief in
"humans", such as Professor Bob, with our love for Circle Jerk
sessions. It's a wonderful set of teachings. But, and let me
make this clear, it's not a religion. Definitely not a religion
by any means.

INTERVIEWER: If Circular Humanism is not a religion by any
definition of the term, then what is it?

COOPER: It's not a religion. It's just a small group of people
who have found the one true way as taught by Professor Bob.

INTERVIEWER: Are you yourself a Circular Humanist?

COOPER: Of course. How could I spread the word as I do, if I did
not have the one true way?

INTERVIEWER: But doesn't this adherence to your own zealous and
insular creed interfere with spreading your message?

COOPER: Well, we've found that people who aren't friends of
Professor Bob, don't listen to us anyway. Besides, I don't see
why the general public is important. Our experience, and I am a
professional after all, is that we have found that the friends
of Professor Bob are quite able to contribute sufficient funds
to pay my salary and tell me how wonderful I am. That is, after
all, the important thing

INTERVIEWER: But what about the majority of people who are
perfectly content with their own already, pre-existing religious
beliefs?

COOPER: Well, it's one thing to have religious beliefs. That's
stupid. It's better to have a strict set of all encompassing
'non-religious' beliefs that constitute an entire world view,
philosophy and so on, as long as they have been approved by
Professor Bob. That's clearly more intelligent.

Professor Bob is a wonderful man. He has designed his own
"naming ceremony" which will replace baptism. He has designed
his own "memorial services" which will replace funerals. In
fact, one of the real reasons I travel so much is that Professor
Bob is currently at work designing a Circular Humanist "foreskin
removal ceremony" that will replace

Circumcision as practiced by many of the faiths which have now
been made obsolete by the teachings of Professor Bob and it can
be little frightening when he looks at you with that gleam in
his eye while discussing foreskin removal.

But please understand, it would be completely incorrect to refer
to this set of teachings as a religion. It's definitely not a
religion. It's the truth.

But anyway, I'm afraid I have to go soon. Unless you'd like to
hear me tell stories for five hours straight about my days as a
rodeo clown, I just don't have time. I am after all, working on
a new book. In this one, I am promoting my theory of Frequently
Problematic Personalities. This is my own personal term for
people who disagree with the teachings of either myself or
Professor Bob. Such people are clearly irrational and I can spot
them a mile away without even having met them.

Now some have criticized this as a case where I am shooting off
my mouth and substituting my own views for a careful study of
the science of psychology. This is clearly no more the case than
those uninformed people who accuse my dear friend, Professor
Bob, of starting his own religion.

INTERVIEWER: And who is publishing this fine book?

COOPER: Professor Bob.

INTERVIEWER: And who's the target audience?

COOPER: Friends of Professor Bob. We've found they're an
important audience as they tend to agree with me and donate.









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                        Re: David Adair & Credibility

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:02:02 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:10:35 -0400
Subject: Re: David Adair & Credibility

<snip>

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:30:27 -0700
> From: Bill Colburn <rrgp@pnet.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: David Adair

> Just surfing around and found this site which
> contains many references to this huxter.

> I am a propulsion engineer

Excellent.

> and I can tell you with great
> certainty that David is NOT a propulsion
> specialist or "rocket scientist" as he is so often
> labeled. He knows virtually _nothing_ about
> propulsion systems save a few buzz words
> that he consistantly uses incorrectly.

Could you give some examples of his using buzzwords incorrectly?

> He in fact makes exactly the same mistakes
> as made on "Extreme Machines" and the
> Discovery"s excellent series on Rockets!

I'm curious what those mistake are.

Kind regards,

Keith






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                   Utah Crop Circles Still Under Question

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:31:18 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:22:24 -0400
Subject: Utah Crop Circles Still Under Question


From: The Deseret News August 2.

http://www.desnews.com:80/cit/wz19sk92.htm

Stig

*******

Origin of crop circles still under question

Prankster says they're hoaxes; others say nope

Last updated 08/02/1998, 12:01 a.m. MT

By Zack Van Eyck
Deseret News staff writer

A Nibley man says he and a buddy created seven crop formations
in the Cache Valley in 1996 and 1997, then earlier this year
taught a class of Utah State University students how to use
boards and string to make them.

(Image text: Doug and Barbara Hendricks were not pleased about
this crop formation that appeared in their barley field in Cove,
Utah, July 22. - Photograph by Con Olsen.)

Mike Norton, 30, says he and Joe Parker had nothing to do with
two new formations that appeared in College Ward and Cove two
weeks ago.

But some of those students, Norton suggests, could have become
restless on summer vacation. He believes mischievous Aggies
could be responsible for so-called crop circles found in Utah,
Idaho, Oregon and Washington this summer.

"When you teach 150 physics students how to make a crop circle,
at least one is going to be curious" and give it a try, said
Norton, a United Parcel Service employee and a bail bondsman.

"It doesn't take too long with two people doing one."

The theory sounds logical. Case closed, right? Not so fast, say
other Utahns and crop circle researchers.

The large and sometimes complex field designs have appeared
stealthily in fields of wheat, barley and other crops across the
world for years now. To some people, the confessions of British
hoaxers "Doug and Dave," Norton and others are proof that crop
circles are a product only of creative humans with a lot of time
on their hands. But to the intrigued individuals who track them
=97 and farmers whose fields have been violated =97 the mystery
remains just that.

"I don't believe for a minute that he did that," Sandra Alder
said of Norton's claim that he and Parker, his former LDS Church
mission companion, made a 270-foot design in her family's
Providence barley field two years ago.

"Where that crop circle was, the next year (husband) Gerry
planted and nothing grew there. . . . I do know this, there was
no tracks in and no tracks out and how could they do that? If he
did do that, why don't he prove it?"

Dixie and Glen Hansen also doubt pranksters are to blame for a
crop formation discovered in their barley field last Tuesday,
although they don't have any other explanation. The Hansens
looked for, but couldn't find, tracks leading to the formation
from a nearby irrigation ditch or U.S. 89.

"I can't understand how someone could go in there and make that
perfect of a circle, no prints, in the dark and not stumble and
fall," Dixie Hansen said. "If they were college-age, they
usually have a pretty good time before they attempt something
like that. It's just very interesting."

If Norton made the Providence circle, the Alders want payment
for damages. And while Gary Hansen won't press the issue, he did
lose $500 in wheat from the formation Norton says he and Parker
created on his Smithfield land last July.

The Cache County Sheriff's Department did suspect pranksters
were to blame for the Providence formation, but prosecutors have
not brought charges against Norton or Parker for trespassing or
causing damage in any of the fields.

"Quite frankly, anything I say, even if in the newspaper, it's
still hearsay," Norton said. "They would have such a hard time
proving we did it in a court."

Alder said Norton denied creating the Providence design when she
confronted him last week. And Gary Hansen said his son, Dustin,
also was told by Norton he did not make the Smithfield circle
but knew who was responsible.

Norton, however, said the farmers he's talked to don't care that
someone may have entered their fields and made curious patterns
by flattening plants.

"Wheat and barley and hay, frankly, is not a real profitable
crop," Norton said. "Even a large crop circle in the middle of a
field financially does very little damage."

Nancy Talbott, part of an international crop-circle research
team led by former University of Michigan professor W.C.
Levengood, said the '96 Providence formation was "authentic."
Laboratory work revealed internal, physical changes to the
plants inside and immediately outside the formation, she said.

According to Talbott, Levengood has discovered that "part of
what was involved was electromagnetic radiation" in the
Providence pattern and most others he has tested. Levengood
believes there may be a natural explanation for most crop
circles =97 perhaps a spontaneous energy vortex of some kind.

Jill Marshall, the Utah State professor who invited Norton into
her class, doesn't buy that theory. She believes all crop
circles are the work of humans.

"It's embarrassing that a number of scientists, some of whom are
not what I would really call scientists, were fooled," she said.

About 10 percent of the 300 crop formations Levengood has
analyzed since '89 have been classified as non-authentic,
probably made by humans, Talbott said.

Richard and Anne Nielsen of Spanish Fork took samples from the
College Ward formation last Sunday and will send them to
Levengood. Anne is convinced the circle is authentic, partly
because she became ill while inside it.

"There were absolutely no tracks" leading to the formation,
Richard said.

Levengood's team has yet to process samples taken from last
year's Smithfield and Richmond crop formations. Norton says
those designs clearly spell out the names "Mike" and "Joe."

Meanwhile, two crop formations also have turned up near Boise,
in Star and Nampa. They were first seen July 21 =97 the same day
the new Utah formations are believed to have been created. An
elaborate crop circle was found the following day in Hubbard,
Ore., and two others have been reported near Pasco, Wash.

A Boise TV station reported the Star formation was probably a
hoax. But Ike Bishop, the Mutual UFO Network investigator who
took samples from the field, said MUFON researchers always tell
that to the media to protect property owners from further damage
curious spectators might cause.

If incorrigible Aggies are responsible, perhaps some have
traveled overseas. Several crop circles were discovered in
Belgium on July 21.

Talbott and Boise native Linda Moulton Howe, a journalist who
has investigated the unexplained for two decades, says the
phenomenon is worldwide and should not be dismissed even though
some formations clearly have been faked.







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                      UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 31

From: Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:34:03 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:18:46 -0400
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 31


     UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 31
August 2, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

TWO CROP CIRCLES APPEAR
IN NORTHERN UTAH

     On Wednesday, July 22, 1998, a large crop circle
measuring 102 feet (30 meters) in diameter was found in
a wheat field in College Ward, near the town of
Providence, Utah (population 3,344).
     The formation consisted of a circle, rings and
pathways.  This was the second crop circle for
Providence, where one appeared in August 1996.
     On Thursday, July 24, 1998, another crop circle was
found in Cove, near Garden City and the Idaho state line.
This circle also consisted of an outer circle, rings and
pathways.
     The Cove crop circle was discovered by cerealogist
Ryan Layton of Davis County.  According to the
Deseret News, "Layton had rented a small plane along
with researchers Con Olsen and Tres Nixon to get a
better look at the College Ward formation."
     Layton, who has worked with Dr. W.C. Levengood
on crop circle studies, "said the Cove formation is
particularly intriguing because there are no visible tracks
leading to it.  He said Thursday he hopes to gain
permission from the landowner to enter the field and
study the Cove formation."
     The College Ward formation was described as a
"flattened ring 102 feet in diameter, and a second ring
measuring 46 feet, that is encompassed by two half-
circles.  Layton said the Cove formation had a large
central ring surrounded by two more flattened rings
and two circles, he said."
     "The Cache County Sheriff's Department took a look
at the crop circle found two years ago in Providence,
suspecting pranksters were to blame, but made no
arrests." The department also "speculated that" the
crop circles "could be the work of hungry gophers."
(See the Deseret News of Salt Lake City, Utah for
July 24, 1998, "Baffling crop formations appear in
Cache for third year in a row" by Zack Van Eyck.)

BRAZILIAN UFOLOGISTS
INVESTIGATE REPORTS OF
UNDERGROUND CITIES

     Brazil's Sociedade de Estudos Extraterrestres
(SOCEX) is currently investigating a flurry of reports
of strange tunnels in the mountains of Santa
Catarina and Parana states.
     The "tunnel sightings" are concentrated around
the city of Joinvile in Santa Catarina state, about
304 kilometers (190 miles) southwest of Sao Paulo.
     According to Eustaquio Andrea Patounas of
SOCEX, "Recently two explorers entered a tunnel near
Ponta Grossa (a city in Parana state 400 kilometers or
250 miles southwest of Sao Paulo--J.T.), and they
spent five days in a subterranean city of more or less
50 inhabitants."
     During their "tour," the unnamed Brazilians were
provided with fruits grown hydroponically underground
"by the city's chief, who said they took two years to
produce."
     The two men also claimed to have "entered a tunnel
in Rincano," in the Serra da Paranapiacaba mountains
"in the state of Parana and discovered a staircase
underground" leading to four different levels.
     In another case, a man identified as "J.D., a guide
for Montanha Misterioso in Joinvile, S.C.said that many
times luminous flying saucers have been seen around
the opening of the tunnel, and that he had heard a
chorus of men and women singing underground" near
the site.
     "He said that the discs are so bright that they
converted darkest night to the luminosity of day.
On this occasion, he encountered a group of strange
subterraneans who were near the tunnel.  They were
white, of red beard and long hair, very muscular.
When he approached them, they fled.  Other times
he has seen strange lights in this area which are
probably related to the flying saucers."
     An elderly man in Joinvile also claims to have
seen subterraneans dressed like the barbarians on
Xena, Warrior Princess.  "He stated that he visited
a strange tunnel near Conceiacao in the state of
Sao Paulo and saw at a distance a marvelous
underground city."
     "An explorer named N.C. said he had visited a
tunnel in Rio Castor and encountered a beautiful
young woman who did not appear more than 20 years
old.  She spoke to him in Portuguese and said she
was 2,500 years old.  He also said he had met with
those barbarous subterranean men."
     "Another explorer named D.O. encountered a
similar tunnel in Gaspar, S.C.," in the Serra do Mar
mountains, "and sampled a mysterious fruit from an
orchid."  He also claimed to have seen subterraneans
"talking to each other in high-pitched voices in an
unknown language."  (Muito obrigado a Eustaquio
Andrea Patounas por eses casos.)
(Editor's Note: Stories of weird subterranean cities
date back centuries in Brazil.  See the Colonel
Fawcett story in this week's column of "from the
UFO Files...")

GERMAN COUPLE SEES A
LARGE ROTATING UFO

     During the evening of April 3, 1998, Michael M.
and his wife were driving on Highway B241, the
Moringen-Lutterbeck road, in Fredelsloh, a small
village in Germany about 100 kilometers (60 miles)
south of Hannover.  Suddenly, Frau M. spotted
something unusual in the sky.
     "When my wife looked at the sky through the
passenger window," Michael reported, "she saw
something dark cover the sky over our car.  One
minute later, a big rotating object flew over our
car and crossed the road.  We only saw its lights,
which were in two concentric circles."
     He estimated that there "were about ten lights
in the outer (circle), seven in the inner.  The distance
was about 50 meters (165 feet).  There were no
colored lights.  All the lights were white and as bright
as the headlights on a car  The (object's) rotation
speed was about 1.5 rotations per second.  The
diameter of the lights was about 0.5 meters.  The
object flew at a height (altitude) of 10 to 20 meters
(33 to 67 feet) above the car.  Turned by changing
its inclination, like an airplane or a helicopter."
     "Two minutes later, it turned and flew over our
car (again).  This (maneuver) was repeated five or
six times on our way.  There was no sound or noise.
There was no smoke.  The radio was turned off."
     Michael added that the encounter lasted just
under 12 minutes.  (Email Interview)

SKYWATCH TEAM SPIES A
UFO IN SEDONA, ARIZONA

     On July 11, 1998, Arizona ufologist Tom King,
his brother Rob King, a daughter and Rhonda set up
camp just outside Sedona (population 7,720).
     According to Tom King, "Around 2:30 a.m., Rob
King went outside to smoke a cigarette."  King then
noticed "a very bright orange/white ball of light in the
sky.  He said it was four times brighter than any other
star in the sky."
     King noticed the UFO because "the strange
object hovered just over the mountain ridge."  Then
"it moved (from) side to side...moved upward towards
the moon, and hovered for about two more hours."
     "This sighting was consistent with the UFO" seen
"by Rob Meyers and friends a month earlier," Tom King
reported.  He added that an Arizona Skywatch team
will be in Sedona on August 1 with videocameras and
night vision equipment to search for UFOs.
     Sedona is on Highway 89A approximately 24 miles
(38 kilometers) south of Flagstaff.  (Many thanks to
Steve Wilson Sr. for this news story.)

BLACK TRIANGULAR UFO SEEN
IN ELMWOOD, OKLAHOMA

     On Sunday, June 21, 1998, at 11:30 p.m., Cliff C.
was working on a farm in Elmwood, Oklahoma
(population 150) with his father-in-law and brother-in-
law when they spotted a huge black triangular UFO
fly overhead.
     Returning to the farmhouse, Cliff "decided to stay
out a few minutes and do a little stargazing."  Since
the sky was clear, he pointed out a satellite passing
high overhead to his father-in-law.
     At 11:45 p.m., Cliff's brother-in-law pointed out
a strange object in the southern sky.  "I instantly
turned and saw what looked like a small black
rectangle above the horizon," Cliff reported.  "The
object was quickly heading towards us, moving from
south to north."
     "The 'black triangle' continued to come straight at
us" at a speed "that seemed about 94 miles per hour,
until it was only two miles away, then it slowed to 40
or 50 miles per hour.  As it came closer...I noticed that
it was not rectangular but was in fact triangular with
one tip (edge point) facing us."
     "As the triangle approached (to within) one mile of
our location, I estimated its dimensions as best I could
...the triangle was one and one-half miles (2.8
kilometers) from tip to tip., its altitude was around 1,000
to 1,500 feet, its height 200 to 300 feet, and 400 to 500
feet in length.  There were no lights of any kind on the
object and no surface details were visible."
     At about a mile from the farm, the UFO "suddenly
started moving westward...The right angle (90 degree)
change in direction was instantaneous.  The triangle
continued for one to two miles, then returned to a
north-northwesterly course."
     As the triangular UFO departed, Cliff reported
seeing "faint lights floating above the triangle.  The
strange thing was that they would make a faint J shape
above the left and right edges of the triangle."  He
noticed this phenomenon "about three times" during
his observation of the UFO.
     Elmwood is on Highway 270 in the "Oklahoma
Panhandle" about 210 miles (336 kilometers) west
of Oklahoma City.

THREE DIFFERENT UFOs SEEN
IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA

     On Wednesday, July 29, 1998, at 10 p.m., a couple
traveling east on Interstate Highway 10 in Jacksonville,
Florida (population 635,232) spotted a saucer in the
night sky.
     The couple described the object as "saucer-shaped
craft that was glowing and flying south at 700 feet.
The vehicle was the size of a blimp and half a mile
(0.8 kilometers) in front of us as we traveled east at
70 miles per hour."
     Two minutes later, they saw a second UFO "hovering
above us.  It was a silvery chrome metallic saucer with
arches on the left and right side.  The top and bottom
were (respectively) convex and concave.  It looked as
though another saucer could fit on top.  The craft flew
at over 70 miles per hour," keeping pace with the
couple's car.
     "My wife said, 'It's beginning to move!'  And it flew
20 miles in five seconds.  When the vehicle went above
the clouds, you could see (its) glowing light shine
through the clouds."
     "The third vehicle was the shape of a diamond
standing on its point.  The diamond was lit up with a
yellowish incandescent light with a skirt of flourescent
lights beaming down from it.  The lights were about
one-half the length of the ship.  When the diamond
moved, the beam stopped glowing.  I think the vehicle
was creating a magnetic field that ionized the clouds,
causing them to glow.  We could see the last UFO to
our right and the moon to our left."
     Jacksonville is a large seaport city in northeastern
Florida approximately 341 miles (545 kilometers)
north of Miami.  (See Filer's Files #30 for 1998.
Many thanks to George A. Filer, MUFON Eastern
director, for this news story.)

UFO SEEN BY BOAT CREW
ON LAKE HURON

     On Tuesday, July 14, 1998, at 2:30 a.m., Ed Lepps
was running his sailboat north on Lake Huron, taking
part in the annual Port Huron to Mackinac Island race.
     "At 2:30 a.m., we were about 2.5 nautical miles
north of Presque Isle (Michigan) when I looked up and
saw a bright white sphere racing east across the sky,"
Ed reported.  "It was moving very slowly and quite
erratically from side to side.  This lasted for about a
minute, then it moved very rapidly at a 45-degrees
angle into the sky and disappeared.  Three other
people were on the deck at the same time and saw
the same thing."
     Presque Isle is just off Michigan Highway 23,
approximately 273 miles (437 kilometers) north of
Detroit.  (See Filer's Files #30 for 1998.  Many thanks
to George A. Filer for this news story.)

BLACK HELICOPTERS SEEN
IN IDAHO AND TEXAS

     On Wednesday, July 22, 1998, at 2:30 p.m.,
Dr. T.B., a specialist physician, was driving near
Parma, Idaho (population 1,597), five miles northwest
of Interstate Highway 84, when he spotted a black
helicopter.
     "The helicopter was flying due west towards
Oregon," the doctor reported.  "It was about 10
degrees above the horizon while I had it in view."
     He described the helicopter as having four
rotor blades, a narrow black fuselage, skids
instead of wheels, a long tail boom and a shrouded
tail rotor.  The sighting "lasted for about a minute
and a half," he said.  (Email Interview)
     Parma is on Idaho Highway 95 about 31 miles
(49 kilometers) west of Boise, the state capital.
     On Tuesday, July 28, 1998, at 6:30 p.m., Brian
E. was "driving home from the mall" and "saw a
helicopter.  But then, as it got closer, I saw that it
wasn't a Channel 13 news chopper or something
similar.  But it was black and it had no markings
on it, no numbers at all.  I pulled over to the side
to watch."
     Brian said he was on Cedar Bayou Lynchburg
Road in Baytown, Texas (population 63,850) a port
city approximately 22 miles (35 kilometers) east
of Houston.  "It appeared to be 45 degrees above the
horizon.  It was flying westwardly.  It was relatively
close.  I suspect its altitude was about 1,500 feet.
I had it in view for about one minute."
     "There appeared to be two (rotor) blades from what
I could see," Brian reported.  "Its fuselage was narrow,
long tail.  It appeared to have round objects near the
wheels and an open back rotor."  (Email Interview)

NASA RADAR LOCATES THE
SILENCED SOHO SATELLITE

     On Monday, July 27, 1998, NASA engineers
announced that they had pinpointed the position
of the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO),
which has been silent for the past month.
     NASA's Goddard Spaceflight Center in
Greenbelt, Maryland lost contact with the sun-
observing satellite on June 24.
     "SOHO was located by beaming (radio) signals
from the 990-foot radio telescope at" the National
Astronomy and Ionosphere Center (NAIC) in
Arecibo, Puerto Rico.  "The signals apparently bounced
off the satellite, which is about one million miles from
Earth" and were picked up by NASA's Deep Space
Network 85-foot (26-meter) antennae at Goldstone,
California.
     SOHO is still floating at the L-1 Lagrangian point,
a region of space where the gravitational fields of Earth
and its neighbors cancel each other out.
     "Don Savage, a NASA spokesman, said engineers
believe SOHO is spinning with its solar panels edge-on
toward the sun.  In this position, the panels do not
generate the power needed to recharge SOHO's
batteries."
     "However, as the Earth moves about the sun, the
angle of the solar panels will change, allowing them to
capture more and more sunlight.  Savage said it is
hoped that within 90 days the solar panels will be able
to generate enough power to recharge the batteries,
permitting the satellite to respond to signals from the
Earth."  (See the Nando Times Health and Science
Page for July 28, 1998.  Many thanks to M.J. Clooney
for forwarding this story.)
(Editor's Comment: M.J. pointed out a strange
discrepancy in the NASA news releases for July 27
and July 28.  The first one read, "Radio contact with
SOHO was interrupted on June 24 due to a programming
error on the ground."  But the next day's release reads,
"What caused the sudden loss of radio signals still is
unknown but is being investigated by a band of NASA
and European Space Agency engineers."  A most
interesting discrepancy, indeed.)

from the UFO Files...

1925: THE DISAPPEARANCE OF
           COLONEL FAWCETT

     Seventy-three years ago, on August 1, 1925,
Colonel Percy Fawcett, his son Jack Fawcett and their
friend, Raleigh Rimmel, mysteriously disappeared
while on an expedition into the remote jungles of
the Serra do Roncador, in the state of Mato Grosso
do Sul, Brazil.
     Following a successful career in the British Army,
Col. Fawcett became an explorer and led several
expeditions into the largely-unexplored interior of
Brazil.  Col. Fawcett was fascinated by recurring
stories of unknown cities among the Indians of
the selva.  On one occasion, he himself saw strange
bright lights hovering at night over the jungle.
     Just prior to his last expedition, he wrote,
"I have heard from Indians about 'collections of
stone' and clothed Indians who worship the sun and
guard the approaches to their cities with savage
determination.  Records in the archives of missions
and governments also talk of clothed white Indians
occasionally sighted but never contacted, of lost
cities in the Brazilian forests on a scale greater
still than those of the Inca empire.  My own
investigations lead me to believe that two of the
ancient city sites I propse to investigate are inhabited
by the remnants of the same race that built them...
I expect the ruins to be monolithic in character, more
ancient than the oldest Egyptian discoveries...There
are rumours, too, of a source of light in the buildings,
a phenomenon that filled with terror the Indians who
claim to have seen it."
     When contact with the Fawcett party was lost,
the Brazilian government sent in search parties,
but no trace of the three men was ever found.
     In 1952, the colonel's surviving son, Brian Fawcett,
received a letter from a German settler living in Brazil.
The man wrote, "Your father and brother were advanced
souls who were actually worshipped by the Indians
and were alive in the subterranean cities of Matalir and
Araracauga in the Roncador section of Mato Grosso...
from these secret places issued Flying Saucers to
make global reconnaissance flights."
     In 1956, Dr. Henrique de Souza, president of the
Sociedade de Teosofica Brasileira, claimed to have
received a letter at his home in Sao Lourenco in Minas
Gerais state, Brazil, stating that Col. Fawcett was
still alive and "living in a subterranean city in the Serra
do Roncador in Mato Grosso, whose presence could
not be revealed to outsiders."  (See RUINS IN THE SKY
by Brian Fawcett, Hutchinson Ltd., London, 1957.)

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                    Re: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 30

From: Jacqueline Cosford <millpond@shaw.wave.ca>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:13:17 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:57:32 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 30


>From: Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:58:59 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 30

>     UFO ROUNDUP
>Volume 3, Number 30
>July 26, 1998
>Editor: Joseph Trainor

<snip>

>MICHIGAN HAS TWO MORE
>UFO SIGHTINGS

<snip>

>     At approximately 11:15 p.m., Lee and Norm
>witnessed "'a single white light, moving at typical
>jet speed' and as bright as a third magnitude star.
>The bright light was steady, not pulsing, as it moved
>through Ursa Major.  With the witnesses facing
>north, and the object moving away at approximately
>70 degrees altitude, it suddenly flared.  The flare
>expanded the light to about ten times its original
>size."
>     "'We both exclaimed, WOW! at the same time,'
>Norm said. The flare lasted for about a second before
>the light returned to its original size.  A few seconds
>later, it flared again.  At this point, the light disappeared
>to the north."  (Many thanks to Jeffrey S. Westover of
>Michigan MUFON for this report.)

I believe they saw the new Motorola satellites that have
recently been launched into orbit. These satellites are used for
telephone communication purposes and are called "Iridium
Satellites". They have a large reflective antenna which can
produce brilliant flashes of light.

I just spent a week at the cottage and each night we saw at
least 3 of these satellites flare up and produce an almost
blinding flare. For predictions on when these flashes occur
visit : www.gsoc.dlr.de/.satvis/

regards






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                               P-1947: UFOCAT

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:47:36 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:27:23 -0400
Subject: P-1947: UFOCAT

Further to Ed Stewart's comments, the UFOCAT contains the whole
Project Blue Book files introducing IFOs in great number.

My experience using 1900-1947 print out is that there are
significant non-UFO items present. "Dark Days", "Aerial
explositions or sounds", most of Wilkins' silly not UFO events.

In 1947 the entry for Arnold's sighting appears many times.
However, it was also encoded for June 1947, Summer 1947 and 1947
in several entries. These duplications/incomplete designations
also skew the results somewhat.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dr. Johnson told me that
at different times there were different priorities concerning
cases which were added to the UFOCAT. At one time only CE cases
added recorded. So there are internal selection effects, besides
all the regular problems posed by UFO data.

The portion I have used is still of great value and has helped
locate further information on known sightings and in finding new
incidents.

--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
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                Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

From: Perry van den Brink - [UASR]> <UASR@gmx.net>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:52:45 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:50:05 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
>Subject: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments

>>From: The Duke of Mendoza - Peter Brookesmith
>       <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
>>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:56:04 -0400
>>Fwd Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:38:58 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Triangular UFOs over Belgium

>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Triangular UFOs over Belgium
>>>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:53:17 -0400

>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:29 -0700
>>>>From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <skytracker@geocities.com>
>>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>>Subject: Triangular UFOs over Belgium


<very big snip>

>P.S. I'd like to peruse those discussions concerning the
>Belgium sightings that Peter mentioned at the outset of this
>post. Does anyone have the URL?   Thanks.

You can go to UASR  http://www.geocities.com/~phenomena-x
click on PROOF [TOP-menu] and then click on BELG-UFO [RIGHT-menu]

Best regards,
Perry van den Brink,
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                             P-1947: Re: UFOCAT

From: Ed Stewart <egs@NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:33:36 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:30:58 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: UFOCAT

Hello Jan and List Members,

Jan Aldrich wrote:

> Further to Ed Stewart's comments, the UFOCAT contains the
> whole Project Blue Book files introducing IFOs in great
> number.

That is not a problem. It is easy to filter out the Project Blue
Book entries when building up a query.

>My experience using 1900-1947 print out is that there are
>significant non-UFO items present. "Dark Days," "Aerial
>explositions or sounds," most of Wilkins' silly not UFO
>events.

Using a complete printout of a database is not the usual method
to look at the data contained in a database. One can properly
filter out any alleged improper data so the results reflect what
one is searching for. Deleting Blue Book and/or Wilkins from the
results is a function of the database query one builds. Any good
relational database will provide one with all the flexibility
one desires and maintaining the integrity of the original data.
Just in case Wilkins in desirable for some other query. (GRIN)

>In 1947 the entry for Arnold's sighting appears many times.
>However, it was also encoded for June 1947, Summer 1947 and
>1947 in several entries. These duplications/incomplete designations
>also skew the results somewhat.

Again, it is a function of the query. Knowing the shortcomings of
UFOCAT allows someone with enough of a sophisticated query system
(usually available in your better relational databases) to come up with
more meaningful results. Of course, if one's program only allows one to
print out the entire set of records, then maybe one should upgrade to a
better database program.

>Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Dr. Johnson told me
>that at different times there were different priorities concerning
>cases which were added to the UFOCAT. At one time only CE cases
>added recorded. So there are internal selection effects, besides
>all the regular problems posed by UFO data.

That is something we are all at the mercy of. I am presently
working on databasing the Newsclipping Service (Dyke and
Farish). How good will it be when finished? Only as good as
whatever the selection prejudices of Dyke and Farish were in
selecting what when in the service and what stayed out.
Greenwood tells me that at times there were at least 10X the
clippings available, but the service printed only a select
number of pages most of the time.

>The portion I have used is still of great value and has helped
>locate further information on known sightings and in finding new
>incidents.

That is the key. UFOCAT exists containing over 100,000 records.
It would be foolish not to use it. Any serious user just needs
to be aware of the caveats.

Ed Stewart
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There is Something        | Perhaps acts second to some sphere unknown.
  Going On!       ,>'?'<, | Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal,
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                     Re: P-1947: 957 - wave or IFO flap?

From: Ed Stewart <egs@NETCOM.COM>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:23:41 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:20:56 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: 957 - wave or IFO flap?

Hello List members:

Here are some figures from UFOCAT to go along with Larry Hatch's
counts from *U* database. UFOCAT duplicates many sightings since
it lists different references without discrimination. I ran the
first figure simply asking for the YEAR. Then I manipulated the
answer to exclude all duplicate answers for the following
fields: YEAR, DATE, TIME and LOCATION. That produced the figure
below marked KEY VIOLATIONS. The derived UFOCAT NET figure below
is a better approximation of sightings contained in UFOCAT, but
unfortunately not an exact figure because different listed
references may have listed (and did sometimes) different
Year-Date-Time-Location information. Thus, UFOCAT can only be
used for an approximation - not exact figures.


 YEAR   *U*     UFOCAT  KEY-VIOLATIONS  UFOCAT NET
------  ------  ------  --------------  ----------
 PRE 1890       1589     349            1240
 1896     24
 1890S          1147     237             910
 1909     47
 1900S           583     127             456
 1910     11
 1910S           427      87             340
 1920S           203      49             154
 1930S           361      45             316
 1940             14       2              12
 1941             23       4              19
 1942     22      63       8              55
 1943     12      42      10              32
 1944     29     162      24             138
 1945     31     153      19             134
 1946     74     255      42             213
 1947    568    3127    1209            1918
 1948     77    1146     286             860
 1949    115    1117     174             943
 1950    338    3056     561            2495
 1951    116    1090     193             897
 1952    859    4686     751            3935
 1953    308    1860     271            1589
 1954   1014    6924    1600            5324
 1955    288    2254     253            2001
 1956    318    2386     218            2168
 1957    531    4046     664            3382
                                        (1245 of which in 11/57)
 1958    165    2128     175            1953
 1959    153    1802     172            1630

That is as far as I went with this exercise.

Ed Stewart
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There is Something        | Perhaps acts second to some sphere unknown.
  Going On!       ,>'?'<, | Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal,
Salvador Freixedo ( O O ) | 'Tis but a part we see, and not a whole.
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                           Re: Assistance Request

From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:03:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Assistance Request

Hello again, Errol and List Recipients:

Many thanks for the returns that I have gotten to my inquiry,
both on the list and in private e-mail...

>Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:11:13 -0700
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Dear Glenn,
>I should have read your email more carefully.
>You specifically wanted the time-frame 1970 to 1975 in the Dallas
>- Ft. Worth area and points North.
>The map I sent (privately, it is lengthy) shows that this what I
>call a cluster area... and I note as you did that the area
>directly north of DFW is much busier than the area to the South!

I thought that to be correct, but the illustration you included
with your e-mail was a profound indicator! Many, many thanks
for your time, Larry.

>I include 2 text files, extracted from the *U* UFO Database:
>DFW.TXT lists sightings between 96 and 98 degrees West by 32 to
>34 degrees North. This is for all dates, since I have few
>listings that match both date and location criteria.
>The second file is Bydates.TXT, which gives all my Texas listings
>for 1970 thru 1975. These are of reasonable length so I am
>copying them to the UpDates list.

I've snipped the database entries for space, but, once again,
this is a VERY nice point to start from.

I noticed that quite a few entries were from various APRO
bulletins, and I assume that more information can be gleaned
from a study of those bulletins.  Now that Jim and Coral
are gone, does anyone happen to know where those bulletins
may be archived at?

>Glenn: Please disregard the unrelated message which I
>inadvertently attached to the bottom of my private email to you.

Heh, no problem.  It looked as though you got a bounce back
from the server, and it mixed some messages together.  No
biggie.

Say, is that program you have written to database these in
available to run from a website?  I found the concept rather
interesting!

Thanks again, Larry, as well as Mike Harman, John Hayes, and
Jeff Westover for your help.

Once again, to everyone on the List, I'm looking for reports
of sightings around the DFW/Fort Worth/Tarrant County/Dallas/
Dallas County/Points in North Texas area in the rough time line
between 1970 and 1975.  Should this produce some evidence for
the project we're working on, I will be happy to report it here
at the culmination.

Also, if anyone knows where I might gain access to the APRO
bulletins mentioned in Larry's database, that would be a great
help.

Thanks to all.

Glenn Joyner







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                                  Satellite

From: Greg St. PierreStrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:20:02 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:14:51 -0400
Subject: Satellite

Dear list,

This is a bit off topic, but I did some camping in New
Hampshire's White Mountains over the weekend. The last two nights
were clear, and the visibility was excellent.

What surprised me was how many satellites orbit the earth East to
West. I know enough about orbital mechanics to know it's easier
and more fuel efficient to launch them to the East using the
earth's rotation for a "boost", but I have to wonder what the
advantages are sending 'em up the other way. Any takers?

Greg





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                       Obituary - Colman von Keviczky

From: Antonio Huneeus <huneeus@IDT.NET>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:25:47 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 02:16:00 -0400
Subject: Obituary - Colman von Keviczky

Dear List:

I posted the following obituary in all the UFO-related computer
bulletins, so it goes here as well. Colman was one the last
surviving members of the old classic 'nuts and bolts' school. It
looks like the ICUFON Archives will remain for the time being
with his widow and I will be in charge of organizing his UFO
papers, so it's likely that these will be available for future
historical research. Please distribute this article among your
own lists and contacts. Thanks.

In Memoriam COL. Colman Von Keviczky of ICUFON

A Personal Tribute by J. Antonio Huneeus

Col. Colman S. von Keviczky (1909-98), the internationally
prominent ufologist and Hungarian military scientist, passed
away last July 27th in New York City, where he had lived since
1952. He was 88 years old, and had a long productive life before
succumbing at the very end to cancer. The memorial service was
held on July 30th at the Hungarian Reformed Church in Manhattan,
attended by his wife Yolanda, his son Attila, and dozens of
members of both the local Hungarian community and NY-area
ufologists.

It's difficult for me to write his obituary. I knew him for some
20 years and was personally very close to "Colman bacsi" (Uncle
Colman), as Hungarians called him affectionately. One could say,
in fact, that he was my UFO mentor when I took my first
tentative steps in the UFO field 21 years ago. Some, no doubt,
will think his long-held hypothesis of a UFO "galactic task
force earthbound operation" is controversial. Colman pioneered
the idea that Star Wars (SDI or missile defense program) was
aimed at the aliens long before the also recently deceased Col.
Corso put it in his Roswell book. But those who knew Colman
loved his good-natured, expansive personality and his deep
dedication and conviction towards UFO research.

Colman's life can be divided roughly in two periods: the first
devoted to his military career in Hungary, and the second to
UFOs from his home base in Queens, New York, with access to a
worldwide network that stretched from North and South America to
Europe and the Far East. He was in fact less known in the USA
than in many other countries, particularly Hungary and Japan,
where some of his "UFO memoranda" was published as commercial
books. Most of his work consisted in these Memoranda (reports of
150 or so pages with many original military documents) privately
published and distributed by his own organization ICUFON
(Intercontinental U.F.O. Galactic Spacecraft Research and
Analytic Network), founded by him in 1966.

It was at his typically New York City small ICUFON office full
of ufological goodies that I met over the years a number of
researchers from all over the world, such as Michael Hesemann of
Germany, Bruce Cathie of New Zealand, Johsen Takano of the Cosmo
Isle Hakui Museum in Japan, Thierry Pinvidic from France (now a
skeptic of the socio-psychological school), the late New York
City police detective Pete Mazzola, founder of the SBI, Peter
Robbins, co-author of the Bentwaters book 'Left At East Gate,'
and countless others. I myself brought to his office many
ufologists from Russia, Spain, Argentina, Japan, and even India.
Colman was one of the must-see stops for any ufologist visiting
New York, a permanent fixture of our local scene, always there,
always willing to show what he used to call "genuine official
evidences." He used to appear periodically at UFO press
conferences organized by publicist Mike Luckman of the New York
Center for UFO Research (NYCUFOR). We will really miss him

Colman was really an idealist from another era, born August 21,
1909 in the final days of the dual Austro-Hungarian Hapsburg
monarchy. He studied at the historical Ludovica Royal Hungarian
Military University in Budapest, graduating in 1932 as a First
Lieutenant with a Master of Military Science and Engineering
(MMSE). Promoted to Major in 1938, he was the founder and Chief
of the Audio-Visual Military Education Department at the Royal
Hungarian Army General Staff until 1945. After the war, Colman
worked for the 3rd US Army Constabulary in Heidelberg, Germany,
as motion picture director, cameraman and public relations
officre until 1952, when he emigrated to the United States. It
was also the great American flying saucer wave of 1952 which
"alerted my military eye," as Colman used to say, and so he
began collecting UFO reports and photos. Although he was an
American citizen for many years, Colman's military rank was
officially recognized by the post-communist Hungarian
government, which gave him a retroactive promotion to full
colonel. He was also a member of the American Institute of
Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA).

Colman lectured at many international UFO Congresses in the US,
Mexico, Brazil, Japan, Germany, Austria, Hungary and several
other European nations. He was invited by the late Lord
Clancarty to speak at the House of Lords UFO Study Group in
1980, briefed the president of Austria, Dr. Rudolph Kirchlagger
in 1983, and also lectured at the Dag Hammarjskold Auditorium in
the United Nations in 1987. He worked himself at the UN Public
Information Office in the 1960's, where he was the very first to
attempt to bring the UFO issue to the United Nations.
Secretary-General U Thant, was actually favorably disposed
toward the subject.

"In February of 1966, I sent a memorandum to Secretary General U
Thant, indicating that the UN should coordinate some kind of
[UFO] project," Colman told me during our first recorded
interview in 1979. "The high authorities had certain prejudices
about UFO people. Nevertheless, through a media liaison, the
Secretary General contacted me personally and assigned me to
establish an analytical group within the Secretariat."
Unfortunately, that initiative never took off--it was opposed by
the US UN Mission, and Colman maintained that eventually it cost
him his UN job. Undaunted, he formed ICUFON and went on writing
memoranda addressed to the United Nations, the White House,
members of Congress, and anybody who would listen.

Occasionally, some did. "The magazine presents some interesting
concepts concerning the existence of extraterrestrial concepts,"
wrote Col. Edwin Patterson, Ass. Dean of the US Military Academy
in West Point, thanking Colman for a copy of his detailed
military analysis of the famous October 1973 UFO flap across
North America, published in a special issue of 'Official UFO'
magazine in 1975. And when Colman sent Prof. Hermann Oberth, the
German inventor of rocketry, the draft of his "International
Space Security Pact--Space Law" in 1966, regulating how mankind
should deal with 'Homo Cosmicus' in a legal global way, Prof.
Oberth wrote him: "Your proposals seem me the only logical we
can do in this situation in the case that UFO's are strange
spaceships indeed. By the way, I think the first step will be
made by the Uranides." The term 'Uranides' was coined by Oberth
from the Greek word Ouranos for sky, thus Sky people, while von
Keviczky coined the Latin term 'Homo Cosmicus' (Cosmic Man).

Nor was Colman at all shy in confronting anyone about his views.
Colman was a prominent member of the Hungarian-American
community and was once part of a delegation that attended a
briefing organized by the Reagan White House at the adjacent Old
Executive House. When the president's science advisor George
Keyworth was explaining the SDI research program, Colman pointed
out with that roaring voice he had that 'star wars' was really
aimed against the galactic forces and not the Soviets. The
science advisor was not pleased. On another occasion he
confronted his fellow Hungarian-American, Dr. Edward Teller, the
inventor of the H bomb.

Colman's thesis took a boost a few years ago when President
Reagan made a number of cryptic speeches about how the USA and
USSR would unite "if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this world." Colman dodged every American president from Richard
Nixon to Bill Clinton with various UFO memoranda. Regardless of
what one thinks about his ufological ideas, one had to admire
the man. He kept in excellent physical and mental health with
more energy and dedication than most ufologists I know
(including myself), tirelessly pursuing his UFO crusade into his
late 80's. He was still contributing to the Hungarian UFO
magazine just a few weeks before prostate cancer finally sent
him to the hospital. Perhaps now that he has crossed to the
other side he has finally learned the truth about UFOs. We will
miss him, but his legacy will continue in his memoranda and in
the large ICUFON Archives and Photo Collection he amassed during
45 years of UFO research.

Those who wish to send condolences to his widow Yolanda, can do
it through me: Antonio Huneeus, P.O. Box 1989, New York, NY
10159-1989. E-mail: huneeus@idt.net






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               Ford Files - Brookhaven Crash (Long Island, NY)

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:35:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:35:39 -0400
Subject: Ford Files - Brookhaven Crash (Long Island, NY)


For those wondering what the 'Ford Fuss' is about
and are not aware of some of the background, UpDates will
periodically post 'Ford Files'. Contributions are welcome.

ebk
____________________________

Date: 11-27-94 (05:30)
  To: ALL
From: RABRYAN@NETCOM.COM
Subj: Brookhaven Crash
Conf: U-AltUFOReprt

From: rabryan@netcom.com (Richard A. Bryan)
Subject: Brookhaven Crash
Message-ID: <rabryanCzsJ9G.CzL@netcom.com>

The following account was excerpted from a book entitled "The
Rainbow Conspiracy" by Brad and Sherry Hansen Steiger, ISBN
0-7860-0065-1. I have no other knowledge of this event, so
please don't ask me about it.

----------------------------------------------------------------

According to members of the Long Island UFO Network (LIUFON),
a nonprofit research organization, they have evidence that on
November 24, 1992 at 7:12 p.m., an alien spacecraft crashed near
the area of south Haven Park in Suffolk County close to the
residential communities of Shirley and Yaphank, Long Island,
New York.

The principal witness, a Mr. Walter Knowles of Mastic Beach, said
that he saw the object fall to Earth in a wooded area near South
Haven Park along Gerard Road, which borders the western edge of
the park.

According to a LIUFON press release, Knowles was driving east on
Sunrise highway while returning home from work around 7:00 p.m.
when he noticed an unusual aerial object to the south of the
highway over the stand of trees that separates Sunrise from
Montauk highway. He described the UFO as tubular in shape with
two large bright blue lights on each end with a brilliant light
in its center. The general color of the object appeared to be
a dull, metallic gray.

As Knowles watched the object, it executed a right-angle turn and
began to tumble end over end on the north side of the highway.

He pulled his vehicle over to the right shoulder and got out of
the automobile in time to see object crash to the northwest.
Upon impact, Knowles stated, the object emitted a powerful
beam of white light, which shot into the night sky.

Later, during the course of their research, LIUFON would learn
that the light from the crashed object was seen by residents in
the area as far north as Ridge and as far west as Bald Hill in
Coram.

Several other motorists joined Knowles at the side of the road,
and they all watched as the light subsided into an amber glow-
which, in Knowles's opinion, indicated a fire in progress in the
wooded area.

Convinced that he had witnessed the crash of a UFO, Knowles
decided to leave the area and continue his drive home. As he
was nearing the exit for William Floyd Parkway, he observed a
formation of four large, black, military-type helicopters with
no visible markings arriving on the crash scene.

A short time later, after he had arrived at his home, Knowles
became perplexed when he learned that there was no news
coverage of any type of crash - conventional aircraft or UFO -
in the area. Knowles asked his brother-in-law to return
with him to the area where he had witnessed the tubular-shaped
UFO tumbling into the woods.

When they arrived on the scene about twenty-five minutes
later, a military roadblock on William Floyd Parkway was
detouring traffic west on Sunrise Highway. The military
personnel conducting the roadblock were dressed in black
jump suits and their vehicles bore no identifying markings.

While Knowles and his brother-in-law were present on the scene,
they saw five New York State Police cars being turned back
by the black-suited military personnel. Although the State
Police at West Hampton Barracks later denied Knowles account,
a confidential source from that unit confirmed the incident
to a LIUFON investigator.

Finding the streets of Beatrice, Dawn and Sunset also
blocked by military personnel dressed in black jump suits,
Knowles found that he was still able to travel west on Victory
Boulevard, and he and his brother-in-law drove up Gerard Road
to the second bend in the road where he could see a large
fire in progress about 300 yards back in the woods.

He told investigators from LIUFON that there was a strong
airborne odor similar to that of burnt insulation and
that he could see flames dancing near the top of trees in
the park.

LIUFON researchers also received a report from a second
eyewitness, a motorist from Brookhaven Hamlet, who
sighted an unconventional aircraft while traveling eastbound
on Sunrise at around 7:15 p.m. He did not observe the
object crash into the park, but he did spot an unusual
object in the sky around the time of the reported UFO's
fiery touchdown in South Haven Park.

Stubbornly investigating this remarkable UFO crash report
since December 1992 when they were first contacted by
Walter Knowles, the Long Island UFO Network (P.O. Box
1692, Riverhead, NY 11901), gather such information as
the following:

+ All federal, state and local agencies, including fire
departments would have been involved in the incident-
have denied officially that such an event ever occurred.

+ However, on December 20, 1992, LIUFON investigators
retrieved fire department equipment from the main fire
road in the park that has been identified as being similar
to equipment used by Brookhaven Hamlet Fire Department.

  Subsequently, LIUFON received confirmation from a
Brookhaven Hamlet Fire Department source that their unit
was called to the park that night to put out fires caused
by something that fell out of the sky. The anonymous
source added that fire department personnel were prohibited
by federal government orders from speaking about the
incident.

+ Suffolk County Police sounded a county-wide alert on
the night of November 29, 1992, that a UFO had crashed near
William Floyd Parkway and all units were to use land lines
to receive instructions for emergency mobilization.

+ The park itself was closed for several days after
the UFO crash, and area residents reported Suffolk police
manning roadblocks near the park entrance. At first county
officials denied the allegations that the park had been
closed, but later informed the editor of the South Shore Press
in Mastic Beach that the park had been closed to the
general public because of the duck hunting season.

+ Numerous area residents reported having heard the object
crash on that November night. Others observed the black
helicopters hovering over the area for hours.

+ A great number of area residents have reported strange
electrical problems that seem to stem from the events of
that same November evening. Cable television and home
appliances burned out; car batteries suddenly failed; the
telephone system malfunctioned; light bulbs burned out
with annoying frequency. All of these phenomena, LIUFON
researchers suggest, could be the result of a massive
electromagnetic pulse effect having occurred in the area.

+ LIUFON investigators discovered tow areas of flattened
and broken trees along Gerard Road. One area over 100
yards long displayed signs of broken and splintered trees.
Another spot 200 yards north gave evidence of broken trees
and a recent fire.

  Trees in the second area gave signs of holding a strong
magnetic field after LIUFON researchers tested them with
a magnetometer.

+ A number of area residents reported to LIUFON that they
encountered the same military and police roadblocks that
Walter Knowles confronted on the night in question.

+ Over seven municipal fire departments responded that
night to answer the call to control fires set by the crash
of the UFO. In addition, elements of the Brookhaven
National Laboratories Fire Department and Emergency Response
Team were dispatched to the location since they comprised
the only unit on Long Island with the expertise to control a
radiological fire.

In June 1993 LIUFON Chairman John Ford received a package in
his home mailbox from an anonymous source. The package
contained a videotape from a Defense Department systems
analyst, who claimed to be a resident of Rocky Point,
New York. The video appears to show the recovery of the
wreckage of a UFO from an area north of South Haven Park.
The tape also contains scenes of what would seem to be
bodies and body parts suggestive of belonging to humanoid
alien beings.

A complete examination of the tape under the auspices of
Preston Nichols and Alan Green, both members of LIUFON,
has produced a video enhancement and stop-frame analysis
of the tape, which further substantiates the suggestion
that the bodies appear to be those of aliens, rather than
humans.

The government analyst, who has since contacted LIUFON
and identified himself, told Ford that the tape was
confiscated from fire department personnel on the scene
the night of November 29, 1992.

According to additional information received by LIUFON
researchers, the wreckage of the UFO is being stored
and studied at Brookhaven National Laboratories.

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                      P-1947: 1957 - Wave or IFO flap?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@JPS.NET>
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:20:04 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:35:47 -0400
Subject: P-1947: 1957 - Wave or IFO flap?

Dear Herb, Fran and list:

Maybe some numbers will help put 1957 in better perspective.

>>This real UFO concentration and resultant coverage
>>precipitated a flap of IFOs, just like 1973 did. Could 1957
>>turn out to be a wave? I'm not sure. We are re-evaluating
>>1957 and will know when all the data is in.
> > Fran

From the *U* Database, I get the following listings counts. Data
isworldwide in scope, listings are taken from the literature,
with low strangeness and low credibility reports more or less
excluded.

1896 -    24  "Great  Airship" wave  of NOV-DEC 1896..

1909 -    47   More Airships in Britain and New Zealand mostly.
1910 -    11

From 1911 to 1941 counts were very low..... a few per year.

1942 -     22     Wartime secrecy prevailed
1943 -     12
1944 -     29
1945 -     31
1946 -     74     Many were Swedish "ghost rockets"
1947 -    568     Project 1947 unearthed many of these.
1948 -     77     Note sudden drop-off.
1949 -    115

1950 -   338
1951 -   116     Sudden drop-off.
1952 -   859     The biggest wave in the USA.
1953 -   308
1954 -  1014     The vast majority were in France.
1955 -   288
1956 -   318
1957 -   531     Mostly in November.
1958 -   165     A sudden drop, followed by...
1959 -   153     a virtual drought until 1965..

1960 -   129
1961 -   123
1962 -   143
1963 -   164
1964 -   171
1965 -   396   July August and September dominate.
1966 -   431
1967 -   601   Evenly spread throughout the year.
1968 -   513
1969 -   320

1970 -   198
1971 -   221
1972 -   328
1973 -   696   October towers above other months.
1974 -   556
1975 -   502
1976 -   406
1977 -   458
1978 -   561
1979 -   346

1980 -   238    Another long "drought" begins
1981 -   199
1982 -   182
1983 -   104
1984 -   149
1985 -    91    The slowest year since 1948
1986 -   219
1987 -   111
1988 -   216
1989 -   278

1990 -   387   Mostly  05 November in France
1991 -   184
1992 -   310
1993 -   354
1994 -   383
1995 -   555    Data for these years still coming in.
1996 -   340
1997 -   155
1998 -    42

These dry numbers look more impressive when put onto a graph or a
histogram.

The sudden rises and drops in the late 1940s and the 1950s seem
to refute some common social and psychological explanations. One
would expect such causes and effects to remain reasonably
constant.

No doubt Sputnik-watchers did account for a rise in sightings in
late 1957..... many  people would have otherwise remained
indoors.

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                Ford Files - 15-05-94 Lectures - Columbus, OH

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0400
Subject: Ford Files - 15-05-94 Lectures - Columbus, OH


Date: 06-28-94 (07:24)
  To: ALL
From: DON ALLEN
Subj: MARCON LIUFON lecture sumamry
Conf: F-UFO (1356)

 * Forwarded from "BAMA"
 * Originally by Jim Shaffer
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 24 Jun 1994, 18:47

I'm posting this for informational purposes only and do not
necessarily endorse any of the opinions expressed herein!

##########

The following is my personal account of two lectures held at
Marcon 29 in Columbus Ohio on May 15, 1994. The first lecture I
attended concerned alien abductions and the second concerned the
"SMOKING GUN Evidence" about the UFO crash at South Haven Park
on Long Island in New York.

Before you begin reading this, you must keep in mind that this
paper is strictly my opinion and should be treated as such. IOW,
if you don't like it, that is YOUR opinion. Also Note that I may
missed important things so don't consider this the conclusive
document.

[ Part I, concerning abductions, deleted. --JMS ]

Part II

The LIUFON presentation about "Smoking Gun" Evidence about the
UFO crash on Long Island.

As I entered the room I walked past Several LIUFON members and
took a seat towards at the front of the room. I had a tape
recorder that I was fiddling with and my Camcorder was laying on
the ground at my feet. Mister Ford from LIUFON walked past me
several times eyeing me suspiciously. I had a pretty good Idea
that he didn't want me to video tape the event and I concluded
that the next time he walked past, I would ask him if I could.
He approached me and just about as I was going to speak to him
he spoke "Is that a Video Camera" indicating my 8mm Sony laying
in PLAIN view on the floor at my feet. I felt like saying "No it
just looks like one, actually it is a just a $900 squirt gun"

I did said "Yes, I wanted to ask....." I didn't get to finish my
sentence because he interrupted.

"Unless you want to get named in a Federal Copyright violation
suit in which we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the
law, you will leave this room with that Camera and any other
recording equipment you have." Said in the most rude and
provocative manner you can imagine.

Whoa, what the fuck brought that on.

I said graciously "No problem". I stood up and looked down on
this little pinhead of a man and said "you didn't have to be so
rude, you could have just asked." I am a quite large, well-built
person and I could swear this guy was thinking he made an
enormous mistake, and in any other setting it might have been.
Maybe it was Just wishful thinking. Anyway, As I was walking
out, I heard him say to the rest of the group "We will not start
the presentation with any type of recording equipment in the
room, blah, blah, blah." Said in a much nicer tone. Maybe he
learned a lesson.

I understand the need to protect copyrights as much as any other
person but I must state that this guy acted in a most
unprofessional manner and was very rude. I must also state that
there were no signs posted nor was their any information to be
found anywhere about Cameras or Recorders, including in the
program. Also, none of the other LIUFON members bothered to
mention anything about this as I was walking in with my camera
in CLEAR view around my shoulder. I hoofed it back 8 blocks to
my car and put my camera and recorder in the vehicle and hoofed
it back to the hotel. Round trip took 22 minutes and I missed
the first 5 minutes of the presentation.

The presentation consisted of 3 sets of slides and a video
presentation.

Slide Set 1:

Pictures of the areas surrounding South Haven Park. Including a
correction facility, a local refuse dump and Brook haven
National Laboratories(which is a park in and of itself). If you
saw the Fox show Conspiracies you saw parts of this same
evidence.

-Aerial pictures of the Park and surrounding areas

-Trees uprooted, a fire cone, a radiation suit, burnt trees and
vehicle tire ruts.

-They showed evidence of fire roads being widened as well as two
feet of dirt being removed from the surface of the roads. The
park manager who supposedly knows everything about what goes on
in the park didn't know anything about the roads and such. Other
slides showed piles of dirt that were definitely recent. Ford
also stated that soon after the pictures were taken the piles
were removed.

-Several slides showing piles of Sand in the middle of nowhere
for no apparent reason. These sand pits included seashells and
the sand is the same as sand from a nearby beach.

-Several trees had been recently cut by a chainsaw. Ford Stated
that this is a criminal offense and if caught results in a very
large fine.

-He related stories about intimidated witnesses and a minister
who reported that his car had started by itself and caught on
fire about 1 hour after the crash time. This minister was
man-handled by the local police and was in the hospital for 4
months due to diabetes and abuse from the police. The minister
is suing the Suffolk county police for 1 billion dollars.

-An older lady was quested extensively by the police after the
LIUFON group came by and asked questions. Ford Claims LIUFON has
pictures of the police actively harassing them and other people.
Nothing to this effect was shown.

My comment: The bulk of this information could be shown by
anyone with a camera and some time to walk around the park and
fly around the surrounding area taking pictures. This
information was just used to set the background and was not an
indication of much other than the fact that the South Haven Park
manager is probably either incompetent or covering something up.
It also provided the scope of the entire event area in that the
crash on Long Island was not a single crash but rather a group
of 6 or 8 pods hitting the ground after being separated from a
mother ship.


Slide Set II

This set was dedicated almost exclusively to pictures taken from
a 2 minute film given to LIUFON by a secret source that Mr. Ford
called "Uncle Bob"

The first slides showed essentially the same pictures as shown
on Fox's UFO Conspiracies. Pictures of a burning object.

-Fire spectral analysis could not determine the type of object
burning. It looked similar to that of metals found at Roswell.

-After several minutes Mr. Ford brought up a poorly drawn
picture. He said "Study this drawing and view the next picture
not as black and white but as shades of grey."

He displayed the next slide and after staring at it for a few
moments I could see the faint outline of a body laying against a
tree and another right next to it. He said "Ladies and
Gentlemen, you are looking at the first pictures of Alien beings
ever to be shown to the public." "Notice that the heads of these
creatures are 3 to 4 times larger than our own"

- I could indeed see the profile of a creature's face and the
face of a similar creature next to it. Apparently the second
creature had something covering its face and Mr. Ford stated
that they had concluded that it was women's panty hose.

-I also noticed that the first creature looked like its legs had
been severed about mid thigh. Mr. Ford confirmed this after a
few minutes.

-These slides had been computer enhanced and were derived from
an 8mm video camera that had taken the pictures at a distance of
63 feet, at night and in a group of trees. If there was a moon
out, it couldn't be seen. It was difficult to determine any real
details but the pictures got progressively better and something
could definitely be seen.

-Ford stated that there were four Aliens to be seen in the
picture. I couldn't see anymore than the two apparent ones. It
was very difficult to discern anything more since the quality of
the pictures was so poor.

-Ford also stated that one alien could be seen to move his head
from side to side. He showed two frames that didn't look any
different to me but he claimed that the alien had turned his
head from full profile to a full frontal shot in 1 frame or 1/30
of a second. He pointed out that only insects can move that
quickly. I added to myself that something that is not bound by
our conventional concepts of time could do the same thing. Who
knows though. I personally couldn't see any difference from one
slide to the next. I also asked a man next to me and he couldn't
tell either. Perhaps if I stared at it long enough, I might be
able to see what Ford states was there.

-This biggest shock about this part of the slide show was that
the pictures were not taken at South Haven park but taken at
Brook haven National laboratories. They determined this because
the picture clearly shows a paved parking lot. Apparently no
parking lots are paved at South Haven. Also, their "secret
source" contact said they were looking in the wrong place and
that the real evidence exist at Brook haven Labs.

-After looking at 30 or so different enhancements of the same
frames from the video tape, I got the definite impressions that
something with a big head was laying there dead. Beyond this
nothing else can be said.

My Comment: The pictures shown definitely looked like some kind
of alien. I must point out that these pictures were VERY dark
and hard to identify. These were also computer enhancements of
two frames of film that were taken at night. By themselves these
pictures mean nothing, but taken in the context of the crash,
they are somewhat believable.

Slide Set III.

This set was similar to the first in that it showed daytime
pictures of the area around South Haven park.

-It is a fact that local residents went without power for 40
minutes during the time of the UFO crash. After tracing the
trajectory of one Pod from the mother ship they came to a 4
megawatt Power line running to the community. Pictures clearly
showed that the lines directly in the proposed flight path of
the pod had been spliced. It was very clear that this was from
the UFO crash. 100 or so feet from the spliced line you could
easily see where something had progressively embedded itself
deeper and deeper into the forest floor. The deepest part looked
to be about 4 feet down. It was also noteworthy that nearly all
the vegetation in the "Flight Path" was dead or dying.

-Pictures were shown of a new correctional facility built on top
of a place where they had evidence that one pod had crashed.
Ford concluded that little or no evidence is left and it would
be impossible to prove anything from this sight.

- Ford showed other evidence that indicated that one Pod had
crashed in the Local Dump. "Uncle Bob" had provided a few
seconds of video that show a massive explosion. Ford stated that
the ship began to take off and exploded in mid air. The pictures
that he showed just looked like a big ball of flame to me.
Nothing decisive here.

-Ford showed some daytime pictures behind the Suffolk county
police department were something had recently been covered up. I
wasn't sure about his point here other than that it was evident
that there had been recent ground fires. Nothing very decisive
here either.

-Pictures of metal fragments that they claimed to have found in
the surrounding areas of the UFO crashes. Ford Claimed that two
of the three objects were highly radioactive. He stated that
this material could not be easily bent even though it was fairly
thin. He stated that the metal in these pieces was a mixture of
several things: The metal was primarily Platinum with parts of
Gold, Nickel, Magnesium and possibly others but I can't
remember.

- A picture of a "Hand" that had five fingers. The hand was
burnt and the analysis by an orthopedic surgeon was that is was
most likely a foot but it didn't match that of any known species
on the planet.

My Comment: This set of pictures didn't really do anything more
than just solidify the case that something has happened at this
area of Long Island.


Video Tape:

After Ford and some women spent 10 minutes trying to figure out
how to use a VCR, they finally got the video tape running. The
tape had only one interesting segment that wasn't show during
the Slide part of the presentation.

-We got to see in slow motion the area of the tape where the
Aliens were supposedly depicted. I must state that absolutely
nothing could be seen that looked even remotely like the slides
that were seen earlier.

-The interesting part was a segment in which an Alien head
passes about 8 inches from the video camera. They had the image
slowed down and you could definitely see the right half of a
"Typical Gray" head. The computer enhancements of this image
weren't very good but the "Slow Mo" wasn't too bad.

-The video showed the Mother ship coming in and making wild
movements and breaking up in to many pieces

-The tape also showed the video of the pod from the Dump site
attempting to take off and explode in mid-air. I must state that
It just looked like one big explosion to me but a detailed
analysis would probably show more.

-After the video tape, they had some guy who claims to have used
a metal detector and found a piece of "Alien Debris" He was
later picked up by some group(He said "I was picked up by the,
uh, FBI, Uh, Yah, I think it was the FBI) and asked the same
question over and over again "What do you know". My opinion of
this guy is that he is a lying idiot looking for attention, but
what do I know?

My Comment: All of the evidence combined definitely shows that
something happened in this area of Long Island. I have one small
problem though. The video tape that shows the ship exploding,
the pod taking off and the Aliens leaning against the tree was
provided by "Uncle Bob". Ford claims that "Uncle Bob" has
connections and is deep in the gov't. This video is about 50% of
their evidence. I have to ask how many people have access to
these kind of tapes? Very few I would imagine. It wouldn't take
much on the part of the powers that be to figure out who is
smuggling tape to the outside. This happens to make me very
suspicious of the source of these tapes. I don't propose to know
the answers but I wouldn't take all that I see at face value as
do the members of LIUFON. We all know the fallacy of having a
"Secret Source".

-Something else to note was the Attitude of Mr. Ford. He was
asked several general questions about methods and tests. Every
question he answered "No Comment". Someone else asked Mr. Ford
about a particular slide in which it looked like there was an
object heading towards the mother ship. I saw this same thing
but Ford dismissed it as saying. "There is absolutely nothing on
this tape that we haven't figured out and you are wrong about
what you think you saw". This is just one example of the "Holier
than thou" attitude which was VERY apparent from Mr. Ford.

It is my opinion that people like Mr. Ford are indicative of the
problem with the whole UFO field. The first is that they are
suspicious of everything and everyone and while I don't really
have a problem with this everything must be taken in context,
which Ford apparently is not willing to do. Second, that once a
group actually has something they want to profit from it. LIUFON
claims to be a Not-For-Profit Corporation, yet they won't
release their video tape because they WANT to profit from it. If
you want a copy of the presentation as shown at Marcon, you need
to just send the group $30.00(I think this is the cost). Of
course you won't get a second or third generation copy. You Will
get a 5th generation copy of the original which has enough
signal degradation that you can't do any of your own analysis.
If LIUFON was really concerned about spreading the word and
breaking the silence barrier, you could get a 3rd generation
tape for $5.00 and they wouldn't be concerned about Copyright
violations.

In conclusion, I believe that LIUFON has done a thorough
investigation and it is my opinion based on the evidence shown
that something crashed on Long Island and that the there is a
conspiracy to cover it up. The Pictures shown were not excellent
quality but it could be discerned that "Alien" Entities were
shown. Is this "Smoking Gun" Evidence of a cover-up? Yes. Is
this "Smoking Gun" Evidence of Aliens on this planet? No.

Sincerely,


Mark Roberts


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                   NUFORC [UK] - Summer Seminar, Aug 8 '98

From: Stephen Gamble <el82@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:16:05 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:23:06 -0400
Subject: NUFORC [UK] - Summer Seminar, Aug 8 '98

NORTHAMPTON UFO RESEARCH CENTRE
SUMMER SEMINAR

The Great UFO Debate


Saturday 8th August 1998
10am until approx. 5pm
Admission =A35 at the door

Friends Meeting House,
Wellington Street,
Northampton,
Northamptonshire, UK

(Please Note: The above is the correct date, an incorrect date
has been published in some places.)

Recently an independent panel of scientists in the United
States, the Sturrock Committee, published a report stating that
UFO reports were worthy of detailed scientific study. After
fifty years of UFO reports there are, perhaps, today more
questions than ever before to be answered.

This year instead of holding a conventional conference NUFORC
will be organising a day where a number of topics about UFOs
will be debated. The day will be split into a number of separate
sessions. Each discussion will be lead by a panel made up of UFO
witnesses and Ufologists.

The discussion in each session will centre about the truth or
otherwise of one of the following statements:

1. We shouldn=92t believe what witnesses tell us

2. Abductions have nothing to do with UFOs

3. Modern technology is so advanced that modern reports are not
   worth investigating

4. If UFOs are physical where is the evidence

5. UFOs are extraterrestrial

6. UFOs are messengers of a forthcoming catastrophe


Come and join in what will be an important and lively debate.

NUFORC was formed in 1986 by Ernest Still and Susan Pollock,
with Steve Gamble as Chairman. All aspects of UFO and related
phenomena are studied. NUFORC co-operates with a number of
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                        Of Flying Wings & Hover Cars

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:34:54 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:34:54 -0400
Subject: Of Flying Wings & Hover Cars


With the recent discussions regarding Nazi Saucer-shaped craft,
the AVRO Aerocar and Triangular UFOs on many Lists, Sites and
news.groups, the following written by Charles McGrew in 1992 and
posted by John Stepkowski in '94 may provide more information.

Downloaded O4-27-94 from Dave Gullick's Sirius Rising BBS in
Toronto.

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Date: 04-26-94 (23:16)
  To: ALL
From: JOHN POWELL
Subj: Flying Wing
Conf: F-BAMA (955)


Courtesy of: John Stepkowski
(scicom!werple.apana.org.au!legion)
(legion@werple.apana.org.au)

By Charles McGrew
Copyright 1992 by Charles McGrew

This file may be freely distributed, so long as the authorship
and copyright notice remain intact.

Known "Disk-shaped" ("Triangular"/"Flying-wing") aircraft

  We all know about B-2's and F-117's, and could see how they
might be described as "disk-shaped" if viewed from the
appropriate angle. Here's some other information about some
similar aircraft from the past. They are presented here merely
to show that disk-shaped flying craft are not only possible, but
have been built.

  XB-35 - In response to the possibility of Britain falling in
the early stages of WWII, the US Army Air Force began taking
designs for extremely long-ranged, heavy-bomb-load aircraft that
could fly from North America to Germany and back, carrying
10,000 pounds of bombs. Northrop proposed the XB-35. The XB-35
had 4 engines, each driving two counterrotating pusher
propellers along the same shaft (!). Pictures of the XB-35 look
like each shaft has a six-bladed propeller, but its actually two
three-bladed propellers -- for a total of 8 propellers.

  Jack Northrop had been experimenting with flying-wing designs
since the early 1920's. In Germany, the Horton brothers (see
below) were working on a flying wing as well -- the final
designs look surprisingly like the XB-35 (though it had only two
propellers).

  Northrop's first prototype was the N-1M (nicknamed "the
Jeep"), which was tested in the Roseman Dry Lake in the Mohave
Desert from July 1940-early 1942. It had two pusher propellers,
and space for one pilot. Wingspan was 38 feet, and the plane
weighed 4,000 pounds. First "public" flight made the newsreels.
The wings were altered significantly as testing went on; for
instance the "drooping wingtips" were discarded early on. The
(only) N-1M stills exists, and has been restored, it is now
sitting in a Smithsonian storage hangar, painted its original
brilliant yellow.

  Northrop was contracted by the US Army Air Force Materiel
Division to build one XB-35 (wingspan 172'). The N-9M was the
first product from the contract, a 1/3 scale (working, though
wood-structured, not metal) model with two engines with a 60'
wingspan as a testbed/trainer. It first flew successfully on
Dec. 27, 1942. Three other N-9M's were built, and the N-9M test
program was completed in Oct. 1944. [The last surviving N-9M is
being painstakingly rebuilt by the "Planes of Fame" Museum, in
Chino, CA] One of the N-9M's crashed during testing.

  On June 25th 1946, the XB-35 was at last ready to fly (after
a number of difficulties with the propellers) at Hawthorne
Field, CA -- the Northrop company field. The '35 was now in
competetion with what became the Consolodated B-36 as the
postwar strategic bomber (interestingly, both planes were
pushers.) Its first flight was from Hawthorne to Muroc Dry Lake
(later named Edwards AFB) for additional testing.

  Attempts to make the propeller system less complex were
generally unsuccessful. Northrop decided to replace the props
with 8 jet engines, and continue work on the plane, renamed the
YB-49. Only 2 XB-35's were ever completed, the second one first
flying on June 26, 1947. The Martin Corporation worked on the
YB-35 (same basic plane, just built at Martin), and the only
YB-35 first flew on May 15, 1948.

  YB-49 - The power problems of the XB-35 completely
disappeared with the jet engines, but unfortunately they reduced
the range of the plane such that it could not be thought of as a
strategic bomber (mid-air refueling not then being feasible).

 The second YB-49 produced was the first to fly, flown by Maj.
Robert Cardinas, the US Army Air Force test pilot assigned to
the Northrop program (i.e. Northrop retained control, but had
military test pilots mixed in with their own.) On April 26th
1948, the YB-49 flew 4,000 miles with a 10,000 pound payload, on
circuitous route that took it as far east as Phoenix, and as far
north as San Francisco.

  In June, 1948 a YB-49 on a routine test flight crashed (Capt.
Glen Edwards, for whom Edwards AFB is named, died in this crash,
along with four others); specific cause of the crash was never
determined; structural failure was the most likely reason.

  The military had expressed an interest in a reconaissance
version (with two extra jets) of the YB-49, called the YRB-49,
and placed an order for 30. In January 1949, though, this order
was cancelled.

  In Feb. 1949 the remaining YB-49 flew from (now) Edwards AFB
to Andrews AFB in record time (just over 4 hours - the record
was broken the next day by the XB-47, its medium-bomber
compeditor, which flew almost 100mph faster). The famous
YB-49-over-the-Capitol photos are from this flight. President
Truman toured the plane's interior on the ground, and then '49
headed back to Edwards. During the flight, 6 of the 8 engines
failed due to an oil failure which has a slightly mysterious
history (apparently the oil reservoir had not been filled
properly before the flight -- there are hints of sabotage). The
YB-49 made an emergency landing at Winslow AZ. Later on in 1949
the last flying YB-49 was destroyed during high-speed taxi
tests, when the undercarriage collapsed.

  In November 1949, the Air Force (the US Army Air Force became
the US Air Force on July 26, 1947 -- it changed from the US Army
Air Corps to the US Army Air Force on June 29, 1941) cancelled
the last part of the YB-49 contract, that of converting the
remaining partially-completed XB-35's to jet power. The last 11
XB-35 hulls (in varying states of completeness) were rolled out
onto the flight ramp outside of the factory, lined up,
photographed (a very impressive aerial photograph of them lined
up survives) and broken up for scrap. Northrop employees made a
last-ditch request to finish the planes in their spare time,
which Jack Northrop had to turn down, for fear of jeopardizing
further military contracts (political shenanigans for government
contracts were just as silly back then as they are now, and
Northrop was concerned that Stuart Symington, secretary of the
Air Force, would look unkindly on Northrop in general if the
planes were not destroyed -- Symington was very specific that
the YB-49 program not continue. Northrop partisans say that
Symington wanted to force Northrop to merge with Convair, for
reasons of his own, and was hoping to damage Northrop enough to
force the merger. Others say that the expected costs of the
YB-49 were sufficiently higher that the XB-57 to warrant the
choice of the latter.)


  (Other WWII-flying-wing ideas from Jack Northrop included the
turbojet-powered XP-79 "Flying Ram", a rocket-powered
interceptor that was designed to literally slice the tail off of
enemy aircraft with its heavily-reinforced wing to knock them
down. The XP-79 actually flew (once -- it crashed), along with
at least one similar prototype, the (rocket powered) MX-324,
which first flew (powered) on July 5, 1944. Another was the
JB-1, an unmanned rocket-assisted, turbojet-propelled missle,
and the XP-56, another pusher-flying-wing; this time a fighter,
with two counter-rotating propellers along the same shaft, which
also made several test flights, in 1943 and 1944 one of the two
XP-56's crashed in a landing, the other wound up at the National
Air and Space Museum.)

  Jack Northrop resigned from the company he had built after
the YB-49 was cancelled, and left the aircraft industry
entirely. In the mid-1970's, NASA sent him a letter that they
were re-examining the flying wing idea (also, the YB-49's small
radar signature was being taken more seriously by then.) In
April 1980, he (suffering now from Parkinson's disease) was
given a security clearance, taken to Northrop, and shown a model
of the B-2. Makes a nice ending to the story, eh? The B-2 has
exactly the same wingspan as the YB-49 (172').


(An interesting sidelight: in the late 1940's Northrop had also
made a slick promotional-film campaign to drum up support for
the flying wing; this included a film describing a proposed 80
passenger flying-wing commercial jet.)

  Also, here are some other (lesser-known) planes that appear
"disk-shaped" when viewed from one angle or another. (Note that
both these aircraft did *not* become operational, for technical
reasons.)

  The Horten Brothers' Wings - in the 1930's and 1940's in
Germany, the Horten Brothers, Walter and Reimar, built a
succession of flying wing designs which were quite advanced, and
on the cutting edge for their day. Their "Ho" series is as
follows:

    Ho I - 1931 - a flying-wing sailplane.

    Ho II - 1934 - initially a glider, it fitted with a
pusher propeller in 1935.  Looked very like Northrop's flying
wings.

    Ho III - 1938 - a metal-frame glider, later fitted with
a folding-blade (folded while gliding) propeller for powered
flight.

    Ho IV - 1941 - a high-aspect-ratio glider (looking very
like a modern sailplane, but without a long tail or nose).

    Ho V - 1937-42 - first Horten plane designed to be
powered, built partially from plastics, and powered by two
pusher propellers.

    Ho VI "flying parabola" - an extremely-high-aspect-ratio
test- only glider. (After the war, the Ho VI was shipped to
Northrop for analysis.)

    Ho VII - 1945 - considered the most flyable of the powered
Ho series by the Horten Brothers, it was built as a flying-wing
trainer. (Only one was built and tested, and 18 more were
ordered, but the war ended before more than one additional Ho
VII could be even partially completed.

    Ho VIII - 1945 - a 158-food wingspan, 6-engine plane built
as a transport. Never built. However, this design was "reborn"
in the 1950's when Reimar Horten built a flying-wing plane for
Argentina's Institute Aerotecnico, which flew on December 9,
1960 -- the project was shelved thereafter due to technical
problems.

    Ho IX - 1944 - the first combat-intended Horten design, it
was jet powered (Junkers Jumo 004B's), with metal frame and
plywood exterior (due to wartime shortages). First flew in
January 1945, but never in combat. When the Allies overran the
factory, the almost-completed Ho IX V3 (third in the series -
this plane was also known as the "Gotha Go 229") was shipped
back to the Air and Space Museum.

[Interestingly, the Horten brothers were helped in their bid for
German government support when Northrop patents for the N-1M
appeared in US Patent Office's "Official Gazette" on May 13,
1941, and then in the International Aeronautical journal
"Interavia" on November 18, 1941.]

[Of course, one other "Flying-Wing-type" plane existed in the
German Luftwaffe - Alexander Lippisch's-inspired Me-163
rocket-powered interceptor, and its intended successor, the
Messerschmitt P.1111, a turbojet-powered fighter. At the end of
the war, Lippisch was engaged in supersonic-fighter research,
models of his "P12" were shipped back to the US for analysis.


  The "Zimmer Skimmer" (aka "The Flying Pancake") - in an
attempt to develop a high-speed interceptor (fast enough to
overtake diving enemy planes) to deal with Japanese kamikaze
attacks, the Navy asked for bids for such an aircraft in early
1944. (The Chance-Vought F4U Corsair - and the Grummann F4F and
F6F - eventually filled this bill more or less, but were hard to
land on carriers, for weight and pilot-visibility reasons).
Minimum speed desired was 450mph, then-available planes would do
only about 400mph.

  Charles Zimmerman, a research engineer for NACA, had come up
with a disk-shaped, two-propeller aircraft idea before the war,
which promised to be fast, and have short-take-off-and-landing
ability (which included the ability to hover), which would be
useful on aircraft carriers. (Imagine an oblong disk, with a
canopy on top near the front, twin rudders and two small
aerolons in the rear, and twin booms extending forward from the
left and right sides of the disk with a huge counterrotating
propeller on each. The undercarriage was a spindly-looking
tricycle arrangement that had the "Skimmer" taxying at about a
40 degree angle. The fuselage was the "wing", but was much
thinner and wider than later "lifting body" experiments.
Hovering was accomplished by going nose-verticle and, well, just
hanging there - such was the power of the propellers. Wingspan
approximately 30-40 feet [by my eye].)


  The V173 (the first prototype version) was built by
Chance-Vought. Boon T. Guiten was its first test pilot. Its
first flight (November 23, 1942) lasted only 13 minutes, but was
entirely successful, and testing continued. One of the later-on
test pilots was Charles Lindberg, who was an enthusiastic
supporter. In July 1944, the Navy ordered two more "Skimmers"
built for further testing, each equipped with significantly more
powerful engines (1350hp Pratt and Whitneys -- the V173 was
judged underpowered, since its top speed was not up-to-spec).
The two new planes were built from "metalite", a composite
material made from sandwiching layers of aluminum and balsa
wood. These planes were designated F5U's.

  The F5U's were actually overpowered, and had a clutched
gearing system to vary propeller speed in flight. In addition, a
geared propeller-synchronizer was also installed. The first F5U
was ready for flight in August, 1945 (but was delayed by a
lengthy redesign of the propellers). By 1948, an F5U was finally
ready to fly, but technology had passed the plane by (jets were
already doing 600mph). The F5U taxi'd up and down the runway a
couple of times, but never flew. Total pricetag on the project
was about $9M. Both 5FUs were scrapped. (The F5U's were intended
to be sent to Edwards AFB for testing -- shipped via the Panama
Canal; apparently the skimmer's unusual shape would have made
ground transport difficult.) [In the mid-1930's the Arup S1, S2,
S3 and S4 - looking very like what became the Zimmer Skimmer,
but with a single centerline "puller" propeller - were flown as
flying billboards and test aircraft.]


  The Avro (Canada) "Avrocar" was an outright flying saucer. It
used three Continental turbojets, turning a central impeller
("turbo rotor") to keep it airborne with downward thrust, with a
vane/shutter system to propell the craft in pretty much any
direction by venting thrust in any direction desired. It was
built to hold two human crewmen in separate cockpits on either
side, facing front - total width of the Avrocar was 18 feet,
with tricycle landing pads or wheels for undercarriage. It was
first proposed in the early 1950's by the Avro company to the
Canadian government.

  The maximum expected airspeed was originally about 700mph. As
Avro worked on the design, expected airspeed dropped to 300mph.
By the mid-50's, a very-secret project (unknown to even most
Avro employees) was in full swing to build the Avrocar. The
blades of the Avrocar turbo-rotor were hollow with internal
re-enforcing, and brazed to cement the parts. The first
turbo-rotor was tested for 150 hours without mishap.

  By 1955, the costs of the project had escalated beyond the
resources of the Canadian government. The project after that was
underwritten by the US DoD (the USAF and Army were both
interested.) The Avrocar first flew with a pilot on Dec. 5, 1959
(prior to that, it was tested unmanned). Two were built - one
Avrocar was tested out at the Ames research center in
California, the other remained with Avro for testing. Although
the aircraft did fly, its ability to rise and top speed was
extremely disappointing, mostly due to thrust dissipation in the
impeller. The Avrocar was able to clear (small) obstacles
without difficulty, but maximum altitude was never more than
about 6 feet! The project was quietly closed down.

  Both Avrocars are still intact, and survive in US museums (not
sure which, though).

 ... curiously, the Avrocar's technology was within a hair's
breadth of being successful. Using almost exactly the same
propulsion setup, the British developed hovercraft (the first
being the British SRN-1) in the early 1960's -- basically an
Avrocar propulsion system with a rubber skirt, which greatly
improved the use of downward thrust.

 ... in recent years, a one-person "homebrew" version of an
Avrocar has appeared (alas, I cannot remember the fellow who
built it's name, but he has built a lot of neat flying vehicles,
and I've seen film of the avrocar-like vehicle flying).


  Edmund Doak also was contracted by the USAF to develop
disk-shaped airfoil aircraft in the 1950's and 1960's. His last
and most promising, the Doak-16, was canceled by the USAF.

[Sources: Documentary "The Wing will Fly", a 'Wings' documentary
on "Strange Planes", and "Winged Wonders", by E.T. Wooldridge,
published by the National Air and Space Museum, 1983, "In Search
Of" episode "UFO Coverups".]

          -----------------------------



--- Blue Wave/QBBS v2.12 OS/2 [NR]
 * Origin: Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence BBS (1:2617/408.0)

<<<>>>

For more information on Nazi UFOs see Jeff Rense's article at:

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              Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:10:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:33:10 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?


> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:19:52 EDT
> From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
> Subject: November 1957 - UFO wave or IFO flap?
> To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

> In a recent posting I said that the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek
> didn't regard November 1957 as a genuine UFO wave. This elicited
> a negative response from certain parties.

Personally, I don't think of it as a wave either - but then I was
more focused on Levelland, which I class as a concentration,
rather than a flap (a long duration set of frequent regional
sightings) or a wave (a very long duration set of frequent
national or international sightings). Thus, we refer to the 1952
wave, the 1973 wave, etc, the Exeter flap of 1965, or the
Levelland concentration of Nov 1957.

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                  P-1947: Ernest Volkman Penthouse Article

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:34:20 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:39:05 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Ernest Volkman Penthouse Article

If you can stump the master paper saver, you have done something.
Greenwood does not seem to have this item in his collection.

George Fawcett has only part of the article in files.  It was
from Penthouse magazine about 1985, but there is no indication
of the exact date.

"High-Tech Espionage" by Ernest Volkman is described as "True
stories of flying saucers--and other misadventures of 'perfect'
spies in an imperfect world."

Volkman, a writer on espionage and criminal activity, has this to
say about Arnold's observation, "But only a handful of people knew
exactly what Arnold had seen.  They knew that he had inadvertently
spotted America's most secret intelligence operation."

What you may ask was the operation?  Why early Skyhook balloon
testing!  I bet Gen Cabell would have been glad to know that!
Why he would not have had to waste all his resources and assets
on silly old balloons.

Volkman's article is interesting as he states later in the article
that Skyhook/Moby Dicks were recovered in the air on the fly
by aircraft with special devices much like the Corona package
recovery devices.

In any case, I would appreciate a copy of the complete article
if anyone has it.

My interest in balloons is ufological in nature.  Balloons as
intelligence platforms were used for other things than photography.
Last time I checked some projects were still classified.  Such
balloons would, especially in some of the area where they were
flown,  probably cause UFO reports which in turn would be
collected by intelligence agencies to keep track of any
malfunctioning or errant balloons.  (Such concern would involve
keeping the intelligence gathering devices secret.  Some devices
did not need to be over Soviet territory to collect information.)

Of course, such report collection would probably also include
"true" UFO reports which would be the main interest.

I expect that the Soviets may have launched intelligence
gathering balloons into the US from "trawlers" and submarines
and possibly even high altitude balloons from Soviet territory.

Arnold theorized that submarines off the coast and UFOs had
some connection in 1950.  He may have been correct.  Ruppelt
tried to match up Navy data on prowling submarines
with UFO reports.

So I am looking for balloon recovery operation reports for the
following reasons:

1.  Collectors of such reports would probably also have collections
of UFO reports.  (During "Corona Harvest" the "Moon Dust" officer
was also the UFO officer.)

2.  American balloon launches could turn some UFO reports
in the files into IFOs.

3.  Counter Intelligence in the US aimed at possible Soviet
balloon intrusions would also be a place you might look for
UFO reports.


--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
Telephone: (860) 546-9135

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                      Re: 'She Blinded Me with Science'

From: Sean Jones <Tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:18:42 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:15:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 'She Blinded Me with Science'


>From: RobIrving@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:45:22 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'She Blinded Me with Science'

>> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'She Blinded Me with Science'
>> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 13:36:18 PDT

>Jerry,

Hi Rob

Sorry if I dig this old chestnut, but due to one thing or another
I have not been able to read more than a few UpDates, I now have
to chance to catch up with my eight hundred plus email backlog.

>>I cite numerous examples in my UFO Encyclopedia.

>As you keep telling us. If you send me a copy I promise to read
>it. I have not seen your book on any UK bookshelves...  is it
>mail-order only?

Well I got my copy from Waterstones who said that they kept it in
stock. The only reason I had to order mine is that I ordered it
before it was released over here.

If you get really stuck I'll send you the ISBN and a phone number
for a local to you Waterstones bookshop.

---
    In an infinite universe inifinitely anything is posible.
                       Sean Jones
 Homepage--http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/1745/index.htm
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                           Roswell I-beam Glyphics

From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:22:57 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:04:43 -0400
Subject: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

The Roswell I-beam sequence seen in the controversial Alien Autopsy film
showed a photograph of the alleged I-beam structure. The actual autopsy part
of the film has been judged by many who have analyzed it to be a fake. Anyone
who understands conspiracies knows the most effective way to hide the truth is
to mix it with a lie.  Some believe because the bathwater is dirty, so must be
the baby. There is sufficient reason to believe that the I-beam revealed in
the film may be genuine.  An update to the original translation can be found
at:

http://members.aol.com/ufoseek/

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                         Chat with Joe Lewels, Ph.D.

From: Yvonne Hedenland <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:25:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:08:46 -0400
Subject: Chat with Joe Lewels, Ph.D.


The God Hypothesis:
Extraterrestrial Life and It's Implications
for Science and Religion

Lewels provides a comprehensive overview of Biblical and ancient
Judaic spiritual text references to extra- terrestrial contact
and views these citations through the lens of modern quantum
physics.  It is through this most controversial of the sciences
(quantum physics) that he sees the path to joining the spirit
and science.

The God Hypothesis makes a compelling case for the connection
between the modern UFO encounter and the miracles described in
the Old and New Testaments of the Bible and other sacred texts.

Join the UFO and Religion Forums for a live chat with this
controversial researcher on August 4th, 6pm, PT.

This chat is available at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.

The Netshow Audio Interview with Mr. Lewels is available now at:

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                            Lake Ontario Activity

From: Jennifer Jarvis <fierycelt@full-moon.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:09:14 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:17:35 -0400
Subject: Lake Ontario Activity

Hi Errol and Updates list.

Friday night on Lake Ontario was very interesting. 8.31 p.m.
seems to be the magic time.

We have just posted some stills from the video I made from the
north shore.

The stills are entitled "The Crown" and are linked to from the
site updates menu on our main page.

Hope that these are of interest.

Best wishes.

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                         Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:01 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:29:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

 >From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com> >Date: Mon, 3 Aug
1998 15:22:57 EDT >To: updates@globalserve.net >Subject: Roswell
I-beam Glyphics Update

>The Roswell I-beam sequence seen in the controversial Alien
>Autopsy film showed a photograph of the alleged I-beam
>structure. The actual autopsy part of the film has been judged
>by many who have analyzed it to be a fake. Anyone who
>understands conspiracies knows the most effective way to hide
>the truth is to mix it with a lie.  Some believe because the
>bathwater is dirty, so must be the baby. There is sufficient
>reason to believe that the I-beam revealed in the film may be
>genuine.  An update to the original translation can be found at:

 >http://members.aol.com/ufoseek/

 >(click '"Roswell" on menu)

Hi everyone -

The only thing I can think of here is, "Oh, for God's sake."

Philip Mantle revealed that he believes the tent footage to be
fake, the autopsy is filled with technical errors and lasts only
a couple of hours.

Now we are going to seriously look at the debris footage. Why?

The I-beam there does NOT match any of the descriptions given by
the witnesses. It is a large heavy thing and not the small,
light delicate thing of the descriptions. More important an
English word can be read on the I-beam. This too is a hoax and
one that we should ignore.

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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:18:03 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 02:39:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs
>Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 12:46:59 PDT

>Let us all be grateful that John and his friends did not decide
>to go into police work. If they had, it is hard to imagine their
>accepting any testimony that would convict any criminal. Let us
>all be grateful, too, that the human sensory apparatus, the
>product of several million years of evolution, is not so
>miserably and consistently dysfunctional as John would have us
>believe, lest our streets be littered with corpses of persons
>who couldn't manage their way across without getting killed by
>drivers unable to perform behind the wheels of dangerous, heavy
>moving machines. Let us be grateful, too, that the particular
>variety of social pseudoscience advocated and practiced by
>Purely Speculative Hypothesizers is largely confined to ufology
>and the debunking literature.

>Jerry Clark

Dear Jerry,

Thank you for giving "the human sensory apparatus" some credit.
My father had a low level, daylight sighting in July of 1994.
The object passed directly over his car at an altitude of
roughly 300 feet. It was cylindrical, oriented vertically, and
was travelling against the wind. The top was somewhat convex,
but pointed like the old style light bulbs. The bottom was
concave.

In addition to being unable to identify the object, my father
was struck by two very peculiar things. First, the object didn't
seem to reflect light even though the sun was low on the horizon
behind him. Second, no one else on the road seemed to notice or
care! He called me later that night, saying "You aren't going to
believe what I saw!"

Now for some background on Dad. He spent many years in the US
Navy, and served on a destroyer and a sub. He and I have been
around aircraft of all types most of our lives, and neither of
us are likely to mistake an airplane, helicopter, or balloon for
anything else. I believe my father when he says it was none of
the above, and that it really happened, and looked just as
described. He has NEVER called it a space craft. He simply says
"I really don't know what it was." This seems to fly in the face
of the notion presented by Mr. Rimmer that UFO witnesses all try
to identify what they have seen, and failing, assign alien
spacecraft as a cause.

What is left for a debunker to do when the witness describes
something so clearly, then refuses to attempt identification?
The answer of course is to attack the witness's credibility and
perceptual abilities, and therein lies my biggest beef with
debunkers. I am forced to wonder how many debunkers have
actually met their "debunkees", the witnesses, face to face. I
also wonder how they have become so distrustful of the general
population. Debunkers seem to trust the judgement of pilots,
policemen and the like enough to utilize the services they
provide, but certainly not when they see something they can't
identify. Those are apparently the only times when their
observational skills evade them. Frankly, it's a wonder the
debunkers trust each other!

Or do they?

Mr Rimmer,

Why don't you wander out and start talking to the people you
claim to know so much about.....the witnesses. They are all
different, and most are just regular folks with no reason to
create stories. Many of them are intelligent, and not as easily
fooled as you would have us think. Or, are you so certain in
your wisdom that what they have seen could be explained
conventionally that it isn't worth pulling yourself away from
the keyboard to be sure of the truth? Personally, I'd love to
see you try and tell my dad that he didn't see precisely what he
says he saw. That might even be worth videotaping.

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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:25:44 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 02:42:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:48:56 +0100
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
> Subject: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

In his ongoing debate with Mark Cashman and Jerry Clark, John
Rimmer wrote (a few days ago):

> There is the phenomenon, which Jerry has written about, called
> the 'escalation of hypotheses'. A witness sees an unexplainable
> event and tries to define it in terms with which s/he is
> familiar - "perhaps it's a plane", but it's not making a noise
> so that hypothesis is (rightly or wrongly) rejected. "Maybe it's
> a satellite", no, it's moving too fast and just changed
> direction. Eventually, if the conventional suggestions run out,
> the witness can move on to unconventional ones. At that stage
> the escalator may have gone one floor too far. It's then that
> the ETH turns up to provide another stage to the escalator. And
> it's at this stage that all the little extras start to turn up -
> "but I could see windows", "it seemed to follow me", "it was
> very close" - for which the evidence is rather more dubious.

John, this raises an issue quite apart from the finer points
you've been discussing with Mark and Jerry.

Why has the escalator gone up too far when people say "I saw
windows"? If your statement is taken to an extreme, it might
read: "If people say they've seen windows on what they think is
a UFO, that in itself is evidence that we shouldn't trust their
observation."

I would assume, however, that you don't believe anything that
strong. After all, to conduct an open-minded investigation we
have to be open to the possibility -- no matter how distant any
of us might think it is -- that unknown structured craft with
windows really do fly through our skies.

So let me ask you these further questions.

First, when someone says "I see windows" (or "it was very close"
or even "it seemed to follow me") does that really raise a red
flag in your mind? Are you less likely to believe their
testimony simply because they say these things?

Second, iIf your answer is "yes," why do you feel this way?

Third (and most important), what would make you believe someone
really did have a close sighting of a craft with windows?

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                         NASA Sticks to Mars Theory

From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:27:20 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:37:16 -0400
Subject: NASA Sticks to Mars Theory


NASA Sticks to Mars Theory

 .c The Associated Press

  By PAUL RECER

 WASHINGTON (AP) - The announcement stunned the world: Scientists had found
evidence of life on Mars.

 Inside a meteorite from Mars, NASA researchers said, they had discovered the
fossilized remains of tiny, bacteria-like animals that may have once thrived
on the Red Planet.

 The idea seized global attention and gave sudden popular legitimacy to the
possibility of extraterrestrial life. President Clinton called for a space
summit. Famed scientist Carl Sagan called it ``a possible turning point in
human history.''

 ``We'll know for sure in two years or so,'' said NASA researcher Everett
Gibson.

 Now that two years have passed, excitement and applause have faded to doubt
and skepticism.

 Hundreds of scientists have poked, probed, crushed, dissolved and broken
parts of the Mars rock known as Allen Hills 84001. So far, no one has found
absolute, incontrovertible evidence that the potato-sized chunk ever contained
life.

 Then again, nobody has proven that the team led by Gibson and David McKay was
wrong.

 ``Everyone was hopeful that it would just take a short period of time to
prove,'' said Richard N. Zare of Stanford University, a key member of the
McKay-Gibson team. ``We've seen two years go by. I don't know of anyone who
has changed their opinion.''

 Ralph Harvey of Case Western Reserve University, an expert on meteorites, was
excited and skeptical when the McKay group made its announcement. Now he is
just skeptical and believes most other scientists are, too.

 ``People in the field either aren't able to confirm the work or don't seem
favorable to it,'' said Harvey.

 John Bradley, a professor at Georgia Institute of Technology, is even
blunter: ``Early skepticism has evolved into international consensus ... that
this rock does not contain Martian fossils. I do not know of a single other
individual who believes it at this point.''

 McKay, Gibson, Zare and others on the Mars rock team, however, still believe
that the presence of ancient microscopic life best explains what they found
inside.

 No one disputes the basic facts about the 4.2 pound rock: that it formed on
Mars some 4.5 billion years ago, was catapulted into space about 16 million
years ago after a comet or asteroid smashed into Mars.

 The rock floated around for millions of years before it came scorching
through the Earth's atmosphere about 13,000 years ago and smashed into
Antarctica. It was found by meteorite hunters in 1984. Chemistry tests later
proved the rock came from Mars.

 What's inside has caused the controversy.

 McKay's team, using powerful microscopes, found polycylic aromatic
hydrocarbons, the first organic molecules ever seen inside a Martian rock. The
researchers also found a crystal structure called carbonate, shaped like
extremely tiny worms.

 The team concluded the most likely explanation was that about 3 billion years
ago, Martian microbes had crawled into the rock, thrived and then died. The
wormlike structures might be their fossilized remains.

 Rival researchers have attacked the theory on several fronts:

 The organic compounds can be formed in a number of ways that do not involve
biology.

 The wormlike structures are crystals that formed with adjacent material when
the rock cooled.

 Some minerals were formed in the rock at very high temperatures - well above
the 248 degrees Fahrenheit considered the maximum for life formation.

 The rock contains very few minerals formed in the presence of water. Since
water is thought to be essential to life, it's unlikely the dry rock ever
contained life.

 Organics found in the rock are of Earth origin. The molecules got into
ALH84001 while it sat in Antarctic ice.

 McKay, Gibson, Zare and other members of the original team have countered
each argument, doing lab experiments to reinforce their findings. Gibson has
debated scientists in open meetings.

 The debate may never be settled, says NASA's Ed Weiler, ``until we go there
(to Mars) and get some samples.''

 No matter how or when the question is answered, notes Zare, science has been
the winner.

 ``Prior to this study, if you talked about searching for life on another
planet, you were considered a nut,'' he said. ``It has now become a huge topic
that is attracting the best scientists.''

 AP-NY-08-04-98 1447EDT

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news report may not be published,  broadcast, rewritten or otherwise
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                     UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:21:54 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:21:54 -0400
Subject: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?


From: Sightings Homepage

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/downedufo.htm


URGENT - First Report Of UFO Down At
          10:45pm Tuesday In Tracy California

[Note - We are posting the following email as received. We have
no way to authenticate this report at the moment. More details
as available.]


From UFOnetwork <staff@ufonetwork.com> Subject: Report of
alleged downed UFO in Tracy, CA 8-5-98, 9:45 PM Pacific


UFOnetwork received a phone call at 1:45 AM Eastern on 8-5-98 of
an alleged downed UFO in the area of Tracy, CA, USA. According
to the caller this craft _may_ have been shot down by "Star
Wars" technology lasers or weapons from Lawrence Livermore Labs,
which is approximately 30 minutes away from Tracy. The event
happened at 9:45 PM Pacific. The caller can't confirm if the UFO
was shot down, but can confirm from a reliable eye-witness that
a "round, greenish-blue UFO" did go down and crash. As it was
gently falling, a "whitish piece broke off the top."

The caller's witness also stated there are military jets and one
possible helicopter in the vicinity at this time.

The caller predicts this will be in the Stockton Record (CA) or
the San Jose Mercury (CA) or the Modesto Bee (CA) news by
tomorrow (daytime 8-5-98).

If you want to follow this story, I am posting this on the
UFOnetwork Sightings board. Please post your replies there. I
have told the caller to expect you to.

http://www.ufonetwork.com/public/sightings/wwwboard/

The caller has called police departments who cannot verify the
event at this time in: Tracy, Modesto, Stockton, Manteca, Merced
and Ripon. Livermore was not called, as the number could not be
found. Stockton and Modesto airports were called and were
unavailable.

UFOnetwork is reporting what was told to us. Like any sighting
report, it must be more fully investigated.

The caller, who has agreed to go public, is:

Jennifer Lipshin 208-232-5490 regina2836@aol.com

Report taken by:

Claude DiDomenica UFOnetwork Founder & Webmaster 781-440-0011

=A9 Copyright 1998 UFOnetwork, All Rights Reserved
http://www.ufonetwork.com/

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                            Re: Request for help!

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:51:37 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:54:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Request for help!

Hello Errol and all,

We recently received this request for help through our website
and wondered if anyone could help with this information request.
Unfortunately I cannot so I thought that I would look for help
elsewhere.


>Dear Dave:

>I am an American currently co-writing a college research
>project on UFO phenomena. I am doggedly trying to locate actual
>"voice communication" TRANSCRIPTS between Air Tower Controllers
>and commercial airline and private pilots who've had aerial UFO
>sightings.

>Is there any possibility you could help me, or direct me, to
>find these actual transcripts, preferably somewhere on the
>Internet, where access is almost instantaneous?

<snip>

I am not sure if such a website exists, does anyone know of one
or anything similar? I am sure it would be of interest and an
asset to many other researchers too!

Many many thanks in advance to all on the lists!

Sincerely,

Dave Ledger
(UFO Scotland)

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                     FBI, DOD Sites Strip Away The Gloss

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:23:15 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:40:12 -0400
Subject: FBI, DOD Sites Strip Away The Gloss


From: Federal Computer Week.

http://www.fcw.com:80/pubs/fcw/1998/0803/fcw-agsite-8-3-1998.html

Links are preceded by asterisks.

Stig

*******

AUGUST 3, 1998

FBI, DOD sites strip away the gloss

BY L. SCOTT TILLETT *(scott_tillett@fcw.com)

The FBI and the Defense Department have given new looks to their
central World Wide Web sites, and both have opted to defy
convention by stripping down, rather than dressing up, the
appearance of those sites.

The newly designed FBI home page *(www.fbi.gov) supplants the
somewhat jazzy, icon-smattered old home page with a
just-the-facts page that is more in tune with the subdued,
unassuming and even secretive demeanor of the FBI as portrayed by
Hollywood.

It's not that the FBI site lacks the information that was
available before, it's just that the revamped site requires
visitors to snoop quite a bit to find that information, whereas
the former design provided colorful icons for hot links to
high-profile topics, such as information on the 1996 crash of TWA
Flight 800.

The new site still offers links to broad categories of
information, but it does not quite draw readers' attention to
more specific topics. The information is not overly hard to find.
Tucked away in the bottom right-hand corner of the main page is a
scrollable index leading readers to a host of topics, such as a
list of missing persons and information on taking a tour of FBI
headquarters.

The redesigned main page still has prominent links to popular FBI
sites, such as the agency's most-wanted list, news releases,
Freedom of Information Act documents, a section on science and
technology, crime statistics and an educational page for youths.


The main page also includes an artist's rendering of the agency's
No. 1 fugitive, abortion-clinic bombing suspect Eric Robert
Rudolph, as well as quick links to two FBI-affiliated
organizations: the National Infrastructure Protection Center and
the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

The "Science and Technology" link whisks readers to a
concentrated list of links to FBI organizations and projects,
including a newsletter on the second incarnation of the bureau's
National Criminal Information Center, the Communications
Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, the National Computer Crime
Squad and the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Now for the Fun Stuff

But the fun stuff on the new site, as on the old version of the
site, lies under the dry-sounding heading "Freedom of Information
and Privacy Act." Here you will find links that will lead you to
declassified FBI files on deceased celebs such as singer John
Lennon, baseball player Mickey Mantle, Supreme Court Justice
Thurgood Marshall, rock king Elvis Presley and actor John Wayne.


Then there are the declassified files on unidentified flying
objects and purported UFO crashes. But "X-Files" fans should be
warned: The files provide no conclusive evidence that there are
little green men out there. Of course, maybe that's just what
they want us to think.

Like the FBI site, DOD's DefenseLink *(www.defenselink.mil)
hardly hits a visitor over the head with icons. It's another
just-the-facts kind of site that lacks a central "eye magnet" --
the old DefenseLink banner/index is gone - that would draw a
visitor in and show him where the really hot DOD news is.

But DOD knows that not all visitors are necessarily looking for
the hot news. Some are looking for run-of-the-mill information -
military pay charts, lists of military installations or DOD
history -- so the main page offers that information up front,
including a scrollable index as well as quick links to home pages
of the military services.

And the hot stuff is there too -- the latest DOD news, highlights
of departmental investigations and progress reports on the DOD
reform initiative.

But what's significant about the new DefenseLink is that it's
loaded with more information in more formats. The index of topics
changes more often now, as often as every 20 minutes, as
information is added to the site. And the site includes more
military photographs and video clips - something users said they
would like to see more, according to a DOD statement announcing
the revamped site.

DOD officials also said the new page will allow for quicker
downloads of files.

Moreover, DOD has added a site map to DefenseLink, which should
allow visitors to quickly access a big picture of all their DOD
surfing choices. And, of course, two critical features of a Web
site -- a search function and contact information -- are
available on the page.

In fact, with the new DefenseLink, DOD has endeavored to include
more points of contact, via more media, on the site,
incorporating online response forms, e-mail links, postal
addresses and phone numbers.

And the revamp isn't over. DOD officials said that in coming
months they will add new features, such as video news clips and
the ability for visitors to e-mail news articles on the site
directly to others.
That should be welcome news to the thousands who visit the site
each month. According to DOD figures, DefenseLink gets about a
half-million hits monthly.


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                       Re: NASA Sticks to Mars Theory

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:45:58 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:57:00 -0400
Subject: Re: NASA Sticks to Mars Theory


From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:27:20 EDT
Subject: NASA Sticks to Mars Theory
To: updates@globalserve.net

> .c The Associated Press

 >By PAUL RECER
>
>The debate may never be settled, says NASA's Ed Weiler, "until we go there
>(to Mars) and get some samples."

Does anyone know if they placed a microscope on the MGS to search
for organic life when they sent it to Mars? If not, why not? It
doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do. Anyone?

-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica

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                   Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:35:38 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:51:48 -0400
Subject: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

Greetings Errol & fellow listmembers,

I am writing this message in the form of a request for
information, based on a sighting experienced 2 weeks ago and
also previous sightings of a similar nature.

Approximately 2 weeks ago, myself and another observer went
outside at about 1:30 am to do some sky watching as the night
was very clear and the conditions were good, which has come to
be quite a rarity for us weather wise this year.

Anyway, after a short time we began to see the old familiar type
star-like movers going over our heads and silently gliding
across the clear night sky. Most objects spotted, were
travelling on a North Easterly, South westerly type heading and
because of the lack of any other movement we just put them down
to passing satellites although we were spotting them going over
about one every ten minutes.

What did arouse my curiosity was when we spotted a "mover" (this
is a term we have been giving them for the last year) travelling
from South west to North East, I thought..... another satellite,
..... that was until another identical object was spotted one
minute later going in exactly the _opposite_ direction in
exactly the same part of the night sky.

My question is:

Can satellites go around the Earth, in the same/similar orbits,
in completely opposite directions at the same time? I was under
the impression that they all travel the same way when orbiting
around the Earth. Perhaps some of the learned members of the
lists can help us out with this question. It will certainly
clear a few nagging doubts up for us. It should also be noted
that these objects are definately not aircraft of any kind and
seem to fly at a very high altitude and extremely fast, although
it is hard to estimate the actual height and speed they are
passing over us at due to lack of any reference points etc.

I sincerely thank you in advance for any help that you may be
able to offer in clarifying any lack of knowledge we may have on
this particular subject.

Take care of you and yours!

Dave Ledger (UFO Scotland)

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               NASA Intensifies Quest For The Origins Of Life

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:42:37 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:39:28 -0400
Subject: NASA Intensifies Quest For The Origins Of Life

From Florida Today.

http://www.flatoday.com:80/space/explore/stories/1998b/072998a.htm

Links are preceded by asterisks.

Stig

*******

Space Online

"Planet Earth's best source for online space news"

For July 29, 1998

Somewhere out there, vital signs await NASA
By Elizabeth Weise
Gannett News Service


WASHINGTON - The search for the origins of life in the universe
is just starting to pick up speed.

Between now and 2006, NASA will send out probes to sample comet,
asteroid and star dust, Martian soil, and a gust of solar wind
particles.

Other missions will send back information about their
destinations, from Jupiter's icy moon Europa to the primordial
nebula that formed our solar system 4.5 billion years ago.

"Basically, we've got rides to all the places of interest to
start piecing together the chain of events behind the origins of
life," says Lynn Harper, head of NASA's astrobiology program.

Where and how to look for those origins - and perhaps examples of
extraterrestrial life - are the questions NASA put to a group of
leading scientists who met for three days last week at the
NASA/Ames Research Center at Moffett Field in California.

Their goal was to start mapping a five-year plan for the space
agency's emerging astrobiology program. They were to provide
direction for research, next-generation missions and technology
requirements.

NASA isn't expecting to drop in on ET. What it imagines we might
find is more along the lines of microbes and clues in the
chemical signature of objects to indicate the presence of those
microbes.

But microbes beget larger forms of life, and finding anything
living beyond Earth means there's a good chance something as
complex as - if not more complex than - us exists among the
millions of planets in our galaxy.

In a wrap-up session, Michael Mumma, a chief scientist at Goddard
Space Flight Center, put it succinctly: "There are two basic
questions: Where did we come from, and are we alone?"

To answer those questions, the first task is to decide in what
range of conditions life might arise. It turns out to be a much
broader area than many suspected, even here on Earth.

In recent years biologists have discovered microbes living inside
salt crystals and rocks, deep undersea at enormous pressure, in
utter darkness and in boiling hot springs in Yellowstone National
Park. One species of bacterium even lives half a mile beneath the
surface of the planet and gets its energy from the weathering of
basalt.

Although such arcane substances as liquid hydrocarbons salted
with polar molecules and ammonia-water are two media that might
support life, in general it's agreed that liquid water is a
prerequisite. That defines the "habitable zone" within which to
begin the search.

But there are other possibilities.

Water clouds might exist at the edges of the habitable zone, and
water might be found under the surface on planets and moons
outside the zone.

The most likely spots in our solar system are Mars, which may
have a liquid aquifer buried hundreds of feet below ground, and
Jupiter's moons Europa and Callisto, which are believed to have
water beneath their icy surfaces.

Some astronomers think Pluto may harbor liquid oceans in its
interior, based on evidence of tidal forces. "It looks squashed"
is how one scientist put it.

One of the goals of last week's meeting was to think about
designs for experiments that could piggyback on planned missions,
possible because of NASA's recent "better, faster, cheaper" push.


Whereas a mission once might have taken the better part of a
decade, quicker turnaround times and more nimble missions allow
scientists to test their ideas quickly.

One proposal is the Europa ice clipper. As soon as it was clear
that Europa had the potential for liquid water beneath the frozen
surface, a mission was proposed to do a flyby and shoot something
into the surface that would chip up some of the ice and collect
it.

Another is the New Millennium Mars Microprobe, which will
piggyback on the Mars polar lander going up in January. This
volleyball-size probe literally will be thrown off the lander as
it enters the atmosphere.

"It whacks into the planet, the front part penetrates into the
soil, maybe up to 2 meters, and the aft portion remains at the
surface and communicates back to Earth," says Michael Meyer, an
astrobiologist out of NASA's Office of Space Science in
Washington.

The probe will measure water content in the soil and temperature
change over time, giving scientists an idea of the extremes life
would have to exist within.

As for Pluto, the Pluto Express is planned to launch in 2004,
meaning scientists have a few years to put together experiments
to expand our knowledge of Pluto's secrets.

When it's not possible to drop by and grab some samples, remote
sensing techniques must be developed and refined to look at
planets many light-years away.

Long-range telescopes can analyze the atmosphere of a planet to
look for chemical signatures that might mean the presence of
life.

Because we know what elements are most common in the universe and
what combinations of those elements don't seem to happen by
themselves, we can guess that some biological process might have
occurred.

A good example of this is Earth.

When the Galileo probe flew by Earth, it saw oxygen, methane and
nitrous oxide in our atmosphere. But those three can't coexist
over time.

"If you bottled it very long, the methane or the oxygen would
disappear," Meyer says. And in an atmosphere, oxygen ends up as
ozone, which is even easier to spot.

"And if you have CO2 (carbon dioxide) and ozone, which are two
easy things to see, then you'd be very suspicious because it
might be a life process."

One of the main research focuses the scientists agreed on sounds
the most unlikely but hinges on that very fact. The proposed
Mission to Early Earth would explore our planet's origins by
examining paleontological remnants and looking at extreme
environments deep beneath the seas and Earth's crust, where life
forms left from the early, pre-oxygen Earth might be found.

Figuring out what happened on Earth might help us guess what
happened, or is happening, on other planets, as life appears now
to be almost automatic, given certain circumstances.

"If you put the right kinds of elements together, you get a
planet. If you have a planet in the right place, you get a
climate. And if you have the right kind of climate, life
develops," says John Hayes of the Woods Hole Oceanographic
Institute.

On Earth, that's exactly what happened.

After the appearance of liquid water - the precursor of all life
- on our planet 4 billion years ago, paleontologists date the
first chemical signs of life at 3.8 billion years ago.

"Life came pretty quickly as soon as water existed," says Jill
Tarter, who's with the Search for Extraterrestrial Life Institute
in Mountain View, Calif.

If life's pretty much a given when certain conditions are met,
then what about Mars, which early on sported liquid water and was
much more similar to Earth than it is now?

"Mars in fact might have been a better place for life to start
because it had fewer (asteroid) hits," Tarter says.

There are whose who posit that it might have had life, then
"seeded" Earth, explaining the rapid (geologically speaking)
appearance of life here a mere 200 million years after liquid
water became available.

Chris McKay, one of the NASA research scientists who announced
two years ago they had found what appeared to be fossilized
microbes on a meteorite from Mars, isn't necessarily one who
follows that theory, but he can explain how it might have
happened.

"Natural processes can spread life from one planet to another; it
doesn't require intelligent life," he told the assembled
scientists.

Rocks thrown out of a planet's or moon's orbit by the force of a
meteorite crashing to the surface are slowly drawn by the
gravitational force of nearby bodies.

"After an impact on Mars, rocks start arriving on Earth within a
few years," he says. There's abundant proof of this, as 12
meteorites found in Antarctica all came from Mars.

Those rocks haven't been heated beyond a few hundred degrees, and
their interiors stay intact, shielding any hitchhiking microbes
from ultraviolet radiation and the other rigors of space travel
without the benefit of a space capsule.

"If you were coming from Earth and going to Mars, you'd be
well-protected in a small rock - if you were a bacillus," McKay
says.
To test some of these ideas, one experiment is planned that would
expose to the vacuum of space various Earth-based bacteria from
extreme environments.

It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

Spore-forming bacteria have reportedly been revived from the
stomachs of wasps entombed in amber for more than 25 million
years.

After their intensive three days of discussions, the scientists
went back to their universities and laboratories, but they
haven't ended talks. NASA has created a "virtual" Astrobiology
Institute, using high-speed Internet links initially among 11
academic and research institutions.
See: www.astrobiology.arc.nasa .gov

It will be "in the forefront of the increasingly important link
between astronomy and biology," NASA administrator Daniel S.
Goldin says.

With $9 million in funding for 1999 and $20 million in 2000, NASA
expects the research to take us even farther along the road to
understanding our planet and our place in the universe.

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                         UFO over Sydney, Australia

From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:49:55 PDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:27:45 -0400
Subject: UFO over Sydney, Australia

Folks,

4th August, 1998
18:00 Eastern Australia Local Wniter Time
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Many observers reported the apparent sighting of a UFO over the
western suburbs of Sydney last night.

Brightly lit object observed seen doing figure-8's at a great
height above the Sydney 2000 Olympic stadium (suburb of
Homebush).

I haven't seen today's papers but I did hear on the radio last
night that it was described as a meteor by the weather bureau -
that happens to do figure-8's(!)

Stanton Freidman is in Oz at the mpment doing a (self)promotional
tour and I had no idea he such pull with the celestial ones  ;-)

Two nights ago (3rd August/ 18:30) I saw some promotional
spotights playing on some low clouds over the same area so there
may be a connection.


Regards,
Leanne Martin
Computer Engineer @ WANG GLOBAL Australia






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                         Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:04:48 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:23:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:01 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

> Now we are going to seriously look at the debris footage. Why?

You mean no one else has really looked at it seriously? But
seriously, why not? "We" I assume, means yourself. Granted that
the autopsy footage is fake, the I-beam footage may be genuine,
a piece of fact tossed in with the brain salad surgery ;^ )

>The I-beam there does NOT match any of the descriptions given by
>the witnesses. It is a large heavy thing and not the small,
>light delicate thing of the descriptions.

How do you know it is heavy? Have you handled it? Did you weight
it? Even if it looks or is heavier than what eyewitnessses
described, it could be from another part of the crash debris
that eyewitness haven't seen, or from another ufo crash site.

>More important an English word can be read on the I-beam.
>This too is a hoax and one that we should ignore.

Really, you mean on the actual photograph itself or the
transcription copy? Can you elaborate a little on where the
English word is? And what the word is? How can you say with
absolute certainty that this also is a hoax? The reasons you
gave are at the very least unsatisfactory and somewhat
presumptuous.

Unfortunately, we do not have the actual physical I-beam to
examine, but we may have actual photographs. Aside from the
autopsy, there should be further studies of the I-beam footage
before we pass final judgement on it's authenticity.

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                     Phil Klass vs. the "UFO Promoters"

From: Jean van Gemert <jeanvg@dds.nl>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:13:43 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:20:04 -0400
Subject: Phil Klass vs. the "UFO Promoters"

Dear list,

I'm glad to report that Jerry Clark's 1981 Fate article is now
available on the "Science, Logic, and the UFO Debate" site.

Just visit:


www.primenet.com/~bdzeiler/

--
Jean van Gemert
j.gemert@wxs.nl; jeanvg@dds.nl; gemert2@tn.fontys.nl
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                    Mini-Conference In Staffordshire, UK

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:16 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:08:40 -0400
Subject: Mini-Conference In Staffordshire, UK

Dear UpDates,

Important news about a forthcoming Conference:

On Saturday September 19th 1998 at the Newcastle-Under-Lyme
Public Library near Stoke, Staffordshire, the British UFO
Studies Centre will be holding a mini-conference featuring
excellent lectures and all new information on many topics.

The main speakers will be Tim Matthews and Eric Morris ably
supported by other local UFO researchers.

The subject material is as follows;

The truth about RAF Rudloe Manor Strange animal deaths - two new
cases A place more secret than Area 51 Flying triangles -
conspiracy of disinformation? The true origins of flying saucers
Crop formations 1998 - new photos and reports UK government
handling of UFO reports - latest news

We will also be presenting an exhibition on "Wiltshire '98".

The event will, as usual, be supported by big screen overhead
and video projection. Refreshments will be available all day.

Tickets for this ground-breaking event cost JUST =A33.

It is our intention to provide first-class, value for money
events...

Doors Open 10am, first lecture 10.30am, Doors Close 4am.

Tickets available now from;

Eric Morris,
78 Greenall Road,
Northwich,
Cheshire CW9 5RN
Tel; (01606) 330567

cheques/postal orders to "British UFO Studies Centre".
(Right Of Admission Reserved)

Thank you.

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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #261

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:01:58 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:11:55 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #261

Apology to MW #261 (For August 5, 1998)


 I'm getting some mail making fun of "exuberance", imposing a
will with this angry protuberance <g>? A meddling censure, a
smothering glove, anger, but veiled in the guise of the dove?
All about tolerance, that used up commodity, forgotten, almost,
is what's done to the *oddity*.

None are exempted -- the weakest, or different. Just have "hook"
or a "handle" exposed! Then know the _full_ wrath of the "in"
crowd upon you -- them using your difference against you, _you_
know.

What happens to children? Their hair falls in patches? Then life
is a perilous hell full of catches. Struck down by disease and
innocent still, they are hounded, and exiled, or tortured for
thrills. Not in all cases, but in most you'll agree, in a land
where _pursuit_ is, by _Writ_, guaranteed!

Not its achievement!  Not placed in your hand! Not to _be_
happy! Oh -- I understand. A double edged sword that cuts deeply
_two_ ways. You'll find in the end who's to take, and who pays!

The rich getting richer -- the poor starve and rage! The
watchers retreat, but they write on their page of the bugs
they've been watching for ages and eras recording imbalance,
injustice, and terror. They won't judge; they won't help; they
won't save us from misery. The kingdom's at hand and they shan't
change our history. We write it distorted as we have seen fit;
they write it objective -- they aim what they hit. We'll weep
when we read it -- regrets will be met (forgetting a moment the
_pleasure_ we get). A sweet acquisition awaits our instruction;
the poor ever richer, and the rich MISS destruction! We need to
be rich; we need the reward; to drive toward wonder; to have
better lords! But, the Rich starve their fingers when paying the
_least_ when it's the fingers does all of the work for their
feast! =85Starving your fingers completes all your work? That's
criminal thinking of monsters, and JERKS!

The watchers will hide and continue that drill for reasons that
_we_ would  -- avoiding _them_, Phil! If _they_ we're obnoxious,
or even smelled bad, we'd dis them with distance -- talk _bad_
on them, Brad! If we found them distasteful, respect-less, or
hateful? Say "asta-la-veesta" and _avoid_ the ungrateful! We
wouldn't be open, or gracious -- forthcoming! We'd spit in their
faces and laugh while they're running!

Think what it means, then, that stuff in the sky that is
swooping and floating and blinking up high! It means that the
power, indeed, does exist, for our _single_ autonomy -- we'd be
free to resist! All houses then kingdoms with power to spare!
Each woman's a force to be reckoned with, there. And 'the man'
can't have that -- we'd be off his meter! He's out of our
pockets, and he's on his _own_, Peter! That's what the watchers
are hidden behind. The pride of 'the man', and the graft of his
kind.

And me? ...Uncontained and _proudly_ exuberant! I'll kick a big
_hole_ in your angry protuberance <g>. I'll laugh at your
ethics, and challenge your faith if it's only convenient, and
hiding your face! I'll sneer at your credo, and counter your
argument, I'll slash at your systems still harming environments.
I'll cry, and I'll dance and I'll sing and I'll shout! I'll
light a big fire -- let light point you out! I'll tell the short
version! I'll cut to the chase. I'll go to the bone. I'll
challenge your taste. I've earned me the right for exuberance,
Bucko! I've found you all out, and it's driving you wacko!!!

Lehmberg@snowhill.com


Can't stop now -- your rage is too proportionate to how right
you think I am!  GREAT SUFFERING ZOT, _such_ mail I've been
getting!

. . .some good ones too, and I thank that minority <g>,
especially those that make a more concrete contribution to my
effort . . .every little bit you _give_ me is turned right back
around to you -- this for folks I reassure, rather than
seemingly threaten, THAT promise to these fellow motes that see
my point, and find themselves in supportive agreement. I also
appreciate you that have had the courage to *tell* me things.
You know who you are -- and you _can_.

All we want is the REAL deal, a steady deck, and a clear star to
sail her by. No -- we're _not_ crazy <g>, we are, in fact, a
portrait of concerned and inquisitive sanity. It's time we
_demand_ to be treated like it!


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              Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:38:53 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:36:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:48:54 -0400
>Fwd Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:49:27 -0400
>Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

>> From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:03:10 EDT
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Catalog of Levelland concentration, Nov 1957

Some comments on Mark Cashman's response to my post:

>> I would expect such a high-performance craft to be using advanced
>> materials which are of greater strength and lighter in weight
>> than what we typically use in building our aircraft. This is all
>> speculative, yet I think reductions in overall mass by factors
>> of 3 or 4 are not unreasonable.

>I agree with David that these are not unreasonable. At the same
>time, one must wonder why so huge an object is necessary unless
>its internal volume is at least largely utilized. So while there
>is no question that such materials as he suggests could be used
>to reduce airframe weight, it is still likely that a large
>vehicle would be efficiently utilized to carry heavy payload of
>some sort.

Obviously there is no way of knowing for sure. All we know from
conventional physics is that if you want to maximize the
aerodynamic performance, you dump the excess baggage. I am
assuming, again from conventional physics, that the best way to
explain very high accelerations (~100G) without requiring
collosal energy expenditures is to keep the mass as low as
possible.

>After all, our aircraft materials and engineering are probably a
>factor or 3 or 4 lighter than those used in, say, DC-3s or heavy
>piston fighters of the WW-II era, but we have used those
>advances to increase payload, armament, or performance.

>What requires a Levelland-size object to engage in roadblock
>activities remains a mystery.

It seems like it was a big show, doesn't it? First it
deliberately landed on a road and blocked someone on one end of
town. Then it flew somewhere else and did exactly the same thing
several more times. Why use a huge object to do this instead of
a small one? It's more impressive that way. Size does matter.
8^)

>> the numbers computed below likely represent more of a
>> worst-case scenario.

>Note that Hill's estimate of the density of the Quarouble object
>suggests that object was significantly denser than an aircraft,
>and was, in fact, closer to the density of a submarine (96% as
>dense as water).

Unfortunately, Hill had to rely on estimates of the French
authorities to calculate density, and we have no idea how
accurate their estimate of weight may have been from the ground
impressions.

>On the other hand, the Socorro object density seems to be
>significantly less than that - resting somewhere between 20% and
>51% that of water, thus between 1/5 and 1/2 the density of the
>Quarouble object.

>Also note that the low limit Starlifter weight of 250,000 lbs is
>close to empty weight, since operational weight is 337,937 and
>max takeoff is 769,000.

>David - if you have the time, perhaps you can run the numbers
>for the Socorro and Quarouble densities, and give us an idea of
>how they relate to the C5A numbers.

Dr. McCoy to Cpt. Kirk: "I'm a doctor, Jim, not an aeronautical
engineer." 8^)

Hill states the Quarouble object would have been about 7 times
as dense as jet aircraft, which is roughly the number I get for
a fully-loaded C5A using a very crude estimate of its volume.
Assume volume C5A = ~2000 m^3. 769,000 lb = 349,000 kg.
349,000/2100 = 175 kg/m^3, or 17.5% that of water. The
operational density, however, is less than half that. (Obviously
if you wanted a C5A to do aerobatics at an air show, you
wouldn't load it up with cargo.)

Compare this with my steel-framed/sheathed (not aluminum) VW
bus. Conveniently shaped like a box for easy calculation, it's
dimensions are about 5' x 5' x 15' or 375 ft^3 = 10.6 m^3. Fully
loaded it weighs about 4500 lb or 2000 kg. So the density is
2000/10.6 = 190 kg/m^3, or just a little more than the C5A. Just
add wings and it would fly. All these craft are metal skins
enclosing a lot of air on the inside, which is why the density
is so low.

So if the Quarouble density is accurate (big question mark),
then it was carrying a LOT of ballast, something on the order of
a heavily shielded nuclear reactor. Stan Friedman would be the
expert on that.

The low estimate for the Socorro object (density of about ..20),
is down around where the fully loaded C5A would be or my VW bus.
For high performance (like 100g accelerations), I would expect
craft much lower in density than this, unless they know how to
artificially reduce mass, as James McCampbell has suggested. If
that were the case, then you could reduce your density to that
of air and just float there like a balloon. For the moment,
however, I prefer to stick to less speculative physics.

>>If the object rose 200 feet in 3 seconds
>>(one possible estimate of "rose swiftly"), the acceleration
>>would be 3 gravities and the speed at the end of the three
>>seconds would be 240 mph.

>>Unfortunately there are some math errors here. . .

>David is quite right about this. I accidentally used 500 feet
>instead of 200 feet and thus inflated the acceleration and final
>speed. (what an idiot! slaps head... :-)

Tell me about it! Pepper Powers just e-mailed me to point out a
mistake I made below, where I stated 30 lb/ft^2 was double
atmospheric pressure. Actually atmospheric pressure is 15
lb/in^2, not 15 lb/ft^2. (what an idiot! slaps head....)

>>One difference between a jet engine (or rocket) and a
>>UFO is that a jet engine confines the thrust to a relatively
>>narrow area, whereas a UFO may ionize a large mass of air
>>around it and thus spread it's thrust over a much greater area.
>>Thus the thrust per unit area (pressure) might be considerably
>>less than that of a jet engine.

>This is where I believe we have to be very cautious. I am not
>sure of what evidence might be construed to indicate the
>dispersal of thrust through ionization. I'd be interested in
>hearing from David which cases suggest this to him and why. I am
>bothered by the apparent ability of the UFO to hover and to
>accelerate without luminosity when considering this idea.

Let me try to clarify what I meant with the following lengthy
discussion. If you ionize the air about the craft sufficiently,
it becomes a very good conductor of electricity (as witness
lightning). In fact, at atmospheric pressure, highly ionized
plasmas have electrical conductivities comparable to metals like
copper and silver. The gas remains quasineutral, i.e. it has no
net electrical charge, yet there are free charge carriers, in
two populations. First there are the low mass, highly mobile
negatively charged free electrons stripped from gas molecules,
primarily nitrogen and oxygen. The ionized gas molecules form
the second charged population, positively charged and of high
mass and low mobility. Because of their high mobility, electrons
are responsible for most of the electrical conductivity of the
plasma. However because of their low mass, they have a low heat
capacity. The positively charged ions account for little of the
electrical conductivity, but are responsible for most of the
heat capacity and also mass movement of the gas. There are also
neutral gas molecules, and the whole mess is mixed together in
one big soup. This accounts in part for the complexity of plasma
physics, of which I know little.

The basic propulsion idea is this. Because of the high
electrical conductivity of the plasma, a craft with a large
pulsed or otherwise varying magnetic field will induce a
similarly large opposing magnetic field in the highly conducting
plasma (in elementary EM physics, this is known as Lenz's Law).
The two repel one another, and that's where the craft gets its
thrust and lift. The craft pushes off the plasma which it
creates. Paul Hill and others have dismissed magnetic propulsion
schemes as impractical, assuming they would utilize the Earth's
magnetic field, which is tiny and also can't be varied in
direction at will. But a plasma electromagnet that the craft
carries around with it has no such restrictions.

It's not a case of the thrust being dispersed through
ionization, but using the ionization to produce the thrust. If
the ionization encompasses a large area, then the thrust per
unit area, or pressure, is dramatically reduced compared to a
narrowly confined thrust mechanism, such as a jet engine or
rocket. That's the situation I was hypothesizing with regard to
the Levelland object. On the other hand, there are certainly
some photos which suggest that some craft maintain a smaller
region of ionization, which can show up as a column of light
beneath the craft, and ride on that like a pie pan at the end of
a stick. We would expect the classic saucer wobble in these
cases, as Hill described in his experiences with hovercraft. We
also have the many reports of retractable light beams, which I
and others likewise interpret to be generated by a narrowly
confined plasma.

 If you imagine the magnetic field of the craft being caused by
a simple loop of current circulating in one direction, the
induced current loop in the plasma will be circulating in the
opposite direction. (The positive charge carriers circle in a
direction opposite of that of the electrons, but both currents
are in the same direction because of the opposite charges. As
noted before, most of the actual current is carried by the
electrons because they can move so much faster.)

The pulsed magnetic field also pumps energy into the plasma to
maintain its ionization (which otherwise quickly disappears
through recombination of free electrons with the gas ions). One
of the main problems, as Mark has mentioned in a previous post,
is priming the pump and getting the air ionized to begin with.
High energy microwaves might be one way to accomplish this.

There are a number of details to this scheme which I haven't
completely worked out, but which may contribute to the ability
of the craft to hover and do other tricks. E.g., simply pumping
energy into the plasma heats it, which would create a large
volume of heated gas beneath the craft. What's more, the pulsing
of the magnetic field creates an inward radially directed force
which "pinches" the plasma and keeps the heated gas from
dispersing in an outward radial direction. The heated gas is
also riding on top of cooler air underneath, again containing
the heated mass to some extent, even though the opposing pulsed
magnetic fields are pushing charge carriers down away from the
craft. Thus the plasma would act like a buoyant mass of heated
gas beneath the craft not much different from a hot air balloon,
except there is no physical balloon envelope and the craft would
ride on top of it instead of underneath. Whether this alone
would be sufficient to buoy up the craft depends on how much the
air is heated and the density of the craft. If it were of very
lightweight construction, maybe that's all it would take. This
would be the craft in low power mode, pumping just enough energy
into the plasma to maintain it and keep it heated. The plasma
would radiate in the infrared, but probably not in the visible
spectrum.

Another possible trick is controlling the pulse shape. Bipolar
magnetic pulses from the craft will "spin" the plasma current in
one direction, and then in the opposite direction as the
polarity of the pulse changes. This keeps the air more or less
static in a rotary direction, as the molecules can't "spin" very
far in any one direction before they are forced to reverse
course. On the other hand, if the craft employs a unipolar
magnetic pulse, the charge carriers in the plasma always
circulate in the same direction (electrons in one direction, gas
ions in the opposite direction). This will create an ionized
whirlwind beneath the craft (crop circles anyone?) whose
direction of circulation is dictated by the massive ionized gas
molecules, not the whimpy electrons. Furthermore the craft
itself will rotate in the opposite direction to conserve angular
momentum. Though I'm not absolutely sure, I think this whirlwind
would behave like a "bladeless turbine, " creating a column of
rising air in the center which would again buoy up the craft.

Things such as air circulation beneath these craft and the
curious rotation of these craft, which would seem to be a major
potential nuisance to a pilot, have all been observed. In fact,
one of the things about the Heflin Santa Ana photos which make
me think they are NOT a hoax, is the photo where the soil
directly beneath the craft seems to be kicked up by something
like a whirlwind. (Frank Edwards first pointed this out in
"Flying Saucers Serious Business" I believe).

How big a magnetic field? Some numbers that I've run suggest
that a few Tesla might be sufficient for low power operation or
hovering (similar to what is used in an MRI medical imager), but
something on the order of 100 Tesla would be needed for high
performance, high acceleration. A 100 Tesla field is also the
number James Harder came up with to explain the polarization
rings around a UFO reported by Walter Webb ( theorized by Harder
to be caused by Faraday rotation of polarized light in a medium
by a magnetic field).

100 Tesla fields are huge. We can barely generate them with
combinations of superconducting magnets plus conventional
electromagnetics gulping huge quantities of current and rivers
of cooling water. So any craft using such a mechanism of
propulsion would doubtlessly require low weight,
room-temperature superconductors. Otherwise, it just isn't
practical. We have no idea at present whether such materials are
even possible, much less how they might be made, although the
idea has been kicked around for the past 40 years (e.g., organic
superconductors consisting of long polymer chains).

There are a large number of implications to such a propulsion
scheme, including physiological effects on humans and strong EM
interference. E.g., paralysis sometimes reported in CE, might be
due to peripheral nerve stimulation by the strong pulsed
magnetic fields (a field of study I was in for several years),
creating a nerve blockade. If the ET pilots aren't careful,
scaled up this could also cause heart stoppage and death. If the
person was wearing something conductive like sweat-soaked
clothing, inductive heating could cause burns. Tissues would
also be heated, creating a sensation of heat in the skin
receptors. If too intense, the person could be cooked like a
piece of meat in a microwave. I've never heard of such a thing
happening, however.

>Still, the idea that the thrust is spread over a large area has
>great merit. It may very well be that there are limitations on
>this which are signaled by the presence of the sound from the
>usually soundless object, a problem which also crops up with the
>Socorro case.

Depending on the type of varying magnetic field and its
frequency, one would also expect a variety of possible sounds to
be reported. If the frequency was in the lower audible range and
the waveform was roughly sinusoidal, then a hum might be heard.
If this was a high frequency, then it might sound like a whistle
or a whine. Pulsed fields might sound like buzzing or sizzling
or clicking. In a high power mode, a roar might be heard as air
around the craft was being violently pushed around. All such
sounds have been reported in close encounters.

As I recall, Zemora reported a roar associated with the Socorro
object as it was taking off, but once it became elevated, it
became silent. In fact, I was just looking at Mark Rodeghier's
paper on EM vehicle interference, where he notes a significant
correlation between the reports of UFO sound and landing.

One interesting thing about the Socorro case was that the plants
were burned, yet there was no trace of chemical residue. This
could be accounted for by a hot plasma being generated as the
craft lifted off, as could the flame that Zamora reported.

>>If the ionized air "footprint" was four times the figure used
>>above, or 40,000 square feet (this assumes the region of
>>effective ionization is double the dimensions of the craft
>>itself), then the thrust/area drops to a very gentle 30 pounds
>>per square foot, or double atmospheric pressure. (And for a UFO
>>of 1/3rd the mass of the worst-case above, this drops to a
>>"miniscule" 10 pounds per square foot.)

>We need to take a look at the expected "breeze" from a 2 atm UFO
>force effect. Does this conform to the observations in cases
>such as Flynn and Moreland?

Here was my mistake. Atmospheric pressure is actually 15 lb/in^3
or 2200 lb/ft^3. Thus 30 lb/ft^3 is not twice atmospheric
pressure, but only 1.5%, nothing but a gentle breeze.

>How much would the air heat up as the UFO takes off and
>accelerates upward? The Levelland UFO is dumping it's energy
>into a very large volume, so air heating is relatively minor. A
>little calculation shows that the combined kinetic plus
>potential energy of a 500,000 lb craft rising 200 feet to an air
>speed of 90 mph is roughly 300 million joules.

>May we assume this is for a case without atmospheric drag? If
>so, what effect would we get from, say 25-50% surface area drag
>levels, making the assumption, justified by a variety of
>reports, that the UFO has the ability to ensure clean airflow,
>but perhaps cannot eliminate all drag.

In the calculation, the craft went from 0 to 90 mph. Drag
wouldn't cause much heating of the air at these low speeds, no
more so than an automobile. Most of the heating I think would be
due to resistive losses in the plasma. For the sake of
calculating some ballpark temperature changes, I set the energy
losses in the air equal to the energy gained by the craft in its
climb.

>>If an equal
>>amount of energy was dumped into the ionized column of air this
>>craft passes through (assuming the smaller 10,000 sq. foot
>>ootprint but now 200 feet high) the total volume of air
>>affected would be roughly 2 million cubic feet. This contains
>>about 2.5 million mole of nitrogen/oxygen gas, which when
>>multiplied by the univeral gas constant (8.3 joules/mole/deg K)
>>gives a net heat capacity of roughly 20 million joules/deg K.
>Thus the column of air would be raised in temperature by 300
>>million/ 20 million or only about 15 deg Celius, or 27 deg
>>Fahrenheit.

>I think we can consider a few possibilities.

>First, the heat effects would seem to be the greatest with the
>air column at its shortest, which predicts ground heating
>disproportionate with the temperature change experienced by
>witnesses.

Probably correct. At lift-off or very low altitude, there
wouldn't be much air under the craft to disperse the heat.
Furthermore, if the ground was reasonably conductive, such as
being moist, inductive heating could _directly_ raise the
temperature of the ground quite a bit. Vegetation could be
burned. Cases like that of the Florida scoutmaster come to mind.
Ruppelt was ready to write that one off as a hoax becauuse of
the low credibility of the witness, until soil samples revealed
scorched roots to the grass. Ruppelt wrote the only way anybody
could conceive of this happening was through massive inductive
heating. There were other aspects of the report that were
consistent with inductive heating. The scoutmaster reported
feeling heat, and had burns on his arms. There was a small burn
in his hat. And he reported a sulphurous smell. Try sticking a
sod of wet grass in a microwave oven, and in a few minutes
you'll get a rather noxious smell.

>This is because the witnesses don't experience the
>heat either until the object has attained enough altitiude for
>the heated column to begin to disperse, or until they are within
>the "cone" of the force footprint.

I suspect the witnesses weren't feeling heat by convection, but
from EM radiation. First there would be the infrared radiation
emitted by the plasma, just like the heat you feel from a
campfire on a cold night. I got another graphic example of this
many years ago when I went to an airshow at Indian Springs,
Nevada. They dropped napalm over a mile from the grandstands.
Even at that distance, everybody got an instant "blast" of
intense heat in the face, all from infrared.

Perhaps more important, however, in the 1957 cases, the
witnesses were getting a "blast" of high-power, high-frequency
EM radiation, which was stalling their cars. This is akin to
being placed in a microwave oven. The water molecules in the
surface of your body would be heated, creating the sensation of
heat.

>>These are very rough numbers, but again demonstrate
>>that the good people of Levelland were probably in no danger of
>>being fried. It's a much different situation than standing in
>>back of a jet engine with its very hot, high speed gases rushing
>>out. UFOs have "kinder and gentler" propulsion.

>>Mark, I think if you look at the problem using the numbers
>>above, the required technology doesn't become so daunting.

>Yes, in many ways I agree. However, the accelerations reported
>(though unfortunately not really usable in estimates) by Saucedo
>and other witnesses indicate that the Levelland object may have
>been capable of the same 100G plus accelerations estimated from
>Hill's large cigar sighting, or at least the 18G acceleration I
>calculate for the Marignane object.

I don't think such accelerations, however, have been observed
down around ground level, where the UFO's are described as
travelling judiciously slow. They rise up into the air a bit
before they kick in the afterburners. This may result from a
combination of expected cautiousness plus alien etiquette, to
avoid destroying things on the ground.

Nonetheless, for the Levelland object to exhibit 100G
acceleration, requires that it put out 100 million pounds of
thrust, about 80 times that when it was only accelerting at 1.3G
(based on the previous calculation). This is now 16 times the
thrust of the Saturn V rocket, and even widely spread out over
the zone of ionization, will produce a comparable blast of hot
gases. This will glow brightly in the visible and infrared
spectrum and would be expected to make quite a racket. Here's
where advanced materials to reduce mass could really pay off, by
greatly reduced thrust and energy demands.

Of course, maybe the craft employ some sort of inertial mass
reduction mechanism, as proposed by James McCampbell. The
trouble is, that is highly speculative, and nobody knows how to
do that (we think).

>We also need to keep our technological conservatism balanced by
>an understanding of reasonable and expected advances - such as
>David indicated concerning material weight and strength,

I think we HAVE to expect such materials from an advanced
technology. That's becoming quite clear from materials already
emerging from our own late 20th century labs, such as carbon
nanotubules, which have tensile strengths 30 to 100 times those
of steel. Nanotechnologists have computer models indicating that
much harder, stronger, heat-resistant, and lighter materials are
theoretically possible if we can just learn to assemble
structurally flawless materials at a molecular level.

Descriptions of extremely lightweight yet extremely strong and
hard materials from some of the Roswell witnesses seemed next to
impossible at first. Yet barely 20 years later, some of our more
visionary materials' scientists are telling us that such
materials are not only possible, but likely to be made by us in
the not-to-distant future. In fact, that I consider to be one of
the more compelling arguments for the truthfulness of the debris
accounts that we got from Roswell. I don't see how several
different people could have independently dreamed up something
that at first seemed like science fiction, but is quickly
turning into science fact. The same is also true for what
happened 40 years ago in Levelland and elsewhere. Cars being
stalled by UFOs seemed like science fiction. Now we know the Air
Force has developed such a weapon, and it can reproduce other
aspects of the Levelland accounts as well, such as the sensation
of heat.

> and, of
>course, thrust to weight ratios. What, for instance, would a
>Model T owner make of a modern dragster? Or could the Wright
>brothers expect their kite to become the massive and powerful
>Starlifter?

>UFOs definitely don't use conventional technologies to work, but
>the way to understand the UFO is to apply standard techniques to
>generate reasonable estimates from witness data, and to suggest
>reasonable error limits.

I agree in part. However, I have tried to stay within the
boundaries of conventional physics in my propulsals for UFO
propulsion systems (totally neglecting other questions of
achieving interstellar travel). An EM propulsion scheme as
outlined above, might actually be considered "conventional," in
that it doesn't assume the existence of more speculative schemes
like inertial mass cancellation, antigravity beams, wormhole
travel, or something like that. That doesn't mean it's
necessarily correct, though I think it accounts for many of the
observed physical traces and details described by witnesses. It
is unconventional technology in the sense that it would require
advances in material technology to make it practical, but I
don't think those advances are all that far in the future.

David Rudiak






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                 Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:45:39 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:29:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:35:38 +0100
> From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
> Organization: UFO SCOTLAND
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> Greetings Errol & fellow listmembers,

> I am writing this message in the form of a request for
> information, based on a sighting experienced 2 weeks ago and
> also previous sightings of a similar nature.


<snipped story details>

>  It should also be noted
> that these objects are definately not aircraft of any kind and
> seem to fly at a very high altitude and extremely fast, although
> it is hard to estimate the actual height and speed they are
> passing over us at due to lack of any reference points etc.
>

I was a military aviator for 23 years. I see exactly what you are
describing, and agree they are not aircraft of ANY familiar
variety. My latest sighting of this featureless fast mover was
roughly five this morning. It also moved north east. I was able
to get glasses on it, and it _still_ looked like a star.

> I sincerely thank you in advance for any help that you may be
> able to offer in clarifying any lack of knowledge we may have on
> this particular subject.

Looking forward to an answer myself.

> Take care of you and yours!

> Dave Ledger (UFO Scotland)


Lehmberg@snowhill.com

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                       Cattle Mutilation in UK - 1968

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed Aug 5 07:00:27 1998
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:05:05 -0400
Subject: Cattle Mutilation in UK - 1968

At a very successful meeting in Warrington, Cheshire, last night
the British UFO Studies Centre received several intriguing UFO
reports from members of the public. I was lucky to speak with a
former RAF man who had seen a UFO on one occasion (1975). He
served near RAF Upper Heyford in the late 1960s.

In 1968 both he and several friends were called to visit the
site of a strange animal death by two US MPs stationed at
Heyford whom they knew. A sheep had been "cut in two" by what
the witness described as "a laser". Moreover, there were no
signs of blood around the animal, no footprints or tracks and
other animals in the field were very agitated. Both halves of
the animal were particularly smooth and the blood inside the
remains appeared to have congealed.

The MPs noted that on previous nights there had been reports of
UFO activity in the area and no doubt this would have been a
matter for some concern.

I offer no judgement on this report except to say that the man I
spoke to has a good job, is intrigued by UFOs, for perhaps
obvious reasons, and has only ever told his wife about this
event before last night.

This strange animal death may be the result of entirely
explainable causes even if the farmer and local military
personnel were at a loss to understand it. I have no idea at
this stage whether the local vet or other government agencies
were involved in subsequent investigations.

There is a problem with such reports; skeptics always site the
work of sadistic cultists, satanic groups, predators and so on
whilst certain Ufologists offer evidence of alien-human-animal
experiments. There must be a better solution!

Hopefully, Updates subscribers may be able to contact me with
similar cases. I intend to interview the man again in a few
weeks time....

Tim Matthews,
Press Officer,
British UFO Studies Centre.

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              P-1947: Hovering UFO Frightens Pensylvania Woman

From: Stan Gordon <paufo@westol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:25:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:10:52 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Hovering UFO Frightens Pensylvania Woman

Hovering UFO Frightens PA Woman

Date: August 3, 1998
Time: Between 12:30 and 1 A.M.
Location: Monroe County,PA

I received a report on my UFO Hotline from a woman who sounded
shaken after observing a strange aerial device a short time
before. The woman was inside her home when she saw red and green
lights reflecting off the surface of a lake about 50 feet away.
The witness at first thought that there was a thunderstorm
occurring. Upon looking the witness said she could see some
stars in the sky.

Looking out the window she observed a "perfectly round" object
with red and green lights hover over the lake for about 30
seconds. The bottom of the object was lit up. The object
suddenly took off straight up and according to the woman "in the
blink of an eye it was gone." The woman reported that her two
cats seemed frightened at the time, and ran out of the room.

The woman says that she had seen TV shows about UFO's, but she
had never seen anything like this before and said "it really
scares the s--- out of you." I will be obtaining more
information on the sighting.

I also received another report from the Pittsburgh area of a
sighting several hours before of an object which appeared to
explode into many bright fragments.

I have also received information on a sighting which occurred
July 14, 1998 near Hollidaysburg in Blair County,PA. A man
driving on Route 22 around 10 P.M.,observed three blue-white
triangular lights that formed an inverted V position, and which
appeared motionless for about 45 seconds.

The witness slowed down to see the lights better, and as he
watched them hover, they suddenly exploded and were gone from
sight. I am awaiting more information on this case as well.

Over the last couple of months I have had a few reports where
the witnesses use the term "explode" to describe an object in
the process of disappearing from the sight of the observer.

The PA UFO Hotline number is 724-838-7768 For other UFO
Information visit my website at www.westol.com/~paufo

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                 Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:01:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:16:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:35:38 +0100
> From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
> Organization: UFO SCOTLAND
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> Greetings Errol & fellow listmembers,

<snip>

> My question is:

> Can satellites go around the Earth, in the same/similar orbits,
> in completely opposite directions at the same time? I was under
> the impression that they all travel the same way when orbiting
> around the Earth. Perhaps some of the learned members of the
> lists can help us out with this question. It will certainly
> clear a few nagging doubts up for us. It should also be noted
> that these objects are definately not aircraft of any kind and
> seem to fly at a very high altitude and extremely fast, although
> it is hard to estimate the actual height and speed they are
> passing over us at due to lack of any reference points etc.

On a very clear and dark night (not later than a couple of
hours after sunset and not earlier than a couple of hours
before sunrise) one can spot a satellite in low Earth orbit
from any location on the globe on the average of once every
few minutes.  Often there will be two or more satellites in
the sky at the same time and many times they will be moving
in different directions.  One interesting experience I had as
a young amateur astronomer was when I had the good fortune of
observing two such satellites pass each other in the small
field of view of my telescope by chance.  They were moving in
opposite directions.  A few friends have even observed two
satellites moving in the same orbit, one just behind the other.
This usually is the case when the space shuttle has deployed
a large satellite or when it is approaching the MIR space
station to dock with it.

If you want to know the names of the particular satellites,
rockets or other large space junk that you have observed,
record the time and direction the object is moving and go to
the web site below to help you identify what you saw.

http://www.gsoc.dlr.de/satvis

If you do not find it there, it could still be an high flying
aircraft.  These aircraft may not exhibit the usual coloured
lights when seen passing overhead (about 7 miles up) or may
take on an amber or red colour and appear twinkle when seen
right at the horizon (up to about 100 miles away - almost as
distant as a few satellites).  If the object flares up briefly
to many times its brightness or dims and disappears completely
while it is crossing the sky, this is what would be expected
under certain conditions.  If the object changes speed or
directions, flashes frequently, gets larger or smaller in size,
etc., then it is likely an aircraft or possibly even a true UFO.

Happy observing.

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             Story Revised - UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:33:16 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:58:50 -0400
Subject: Story Revised - UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

Hi Errol,

Here's the latest. Unless there is some back-up and
corroboration quite soon from other sources, this story will not
hold.

[Jeff, this is the second 'Oopsey' from 'UFOnetwork' in 48 hours.
 First the 'LIUFON Press Release' and now this..... --ebk]

UPDATE Alleged Downed UFO In Tracy California Tuesday 8-4-98



Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:41:17 -0400
To: ufonetwork-list@ufonetwork.com
From: UFOnetwork <staff@ufonetwork.com>
Subject: Revised report of alleged downed
         UFO in Tracy, CA 8-4-98,
         9:45 PM Pacific

Revised: Report of alleged downed UFO in Tracy, CA 8-_4_-98,
9:45 PM Pacific

Below is the original report I received last night, unedited .
It is now Thursday morning 9:30 AM, 8-5-98.

I received the report last night at 1:45 AM (E), and being
awoken by the call may have not been clear enough when I sent
out the report. The caller, Jennifer is from Idaho. What she
claims is, a reliable witness reported the event to her
practically in real time. Already people are focusing on
Jennifer's 208 Idaho area code, perhaps thinking some sort of
deception. There is no deception. In the original post:

"...n confirm from a reliable eye-witness" "The caller's
witness..."

Sorry if I was not obvious enough that the caller is reporting
this to me second hand. Also, I should have said "Jennifer is
from Idaho and the witness is from California."

I have changed the date of the alleged crash to 8-4-98, as it
was at 9:45 PM, Pacific time and I got the date mixed up. I'm
sure you understand...

Please direct any further inquiries to Jennifer Lipshin. I
warned her people would call and contact her if she went public.
Perhaps she can coax the eye witness into coming forward.

Jennifer Lipshin 208-232-5490 regina2836@aol.com


Regards,

Claude DiDomenica UFOnetwork Founder & Webmaster 781-440-0011
webmaster@ufonetwork.com

--

UFOnetwork received a phone call at 1:45 AM Eastern on 8-5-98 of
an alleged downed UFO in the area of Tracy, CA, USA. According
to the caller this craft _may_ have been shot down by "Star
Wars" technology lasers or weapons from Lawrence Livermore Labs,
which is approximately 30 minutes away from Tracy. The event
happened at 9:45 PM Pacific. The caller can't confirm if the UFO
was shot down, but can confirm from a reliable eye-witness that
a "round, greenish-blue UFO" did go down and crash. As it was
gently falling, a "whitish piece broke off the top."

The caller's witness also stated there are military jets and one
possible helicopter in the vicinity at this time.

The caller predicts this will be in the Stockton Record (CA) or
the San Jose Mercury (CA) or the Modesto Bee (CA) news by
tomorrow (daytime 8-5-98).

If you want to follow this story, I am posting this on the
UFOnetwork Sightings board. Please post your replies there. I
have told the caller to expect you to.

http://www.ufonetwork.com/public/sightings/wwwboard/

The caller has called police departments who cannot verify the
event at this time in: Tracy, Modesto, Stockton, Manteca, Merced
and Ripon. Livermore was not called, as the number could not be
found. Stockton and Modesto airports were called and were
unavailable.

UFOnetwork is reporting what was told to us. Like any sighting
report, it must be more fully investigated.

The caller, who has agreed to go public, is:

Jennifer Lipshin 208-232-5490 regina2836@aol.com

Report taken by:

Claude DiDomenica UFOnetwork Founder & Webmaster 781-440-0011

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http://www.ufonetwork.com/

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                         P&SS To Move To RAF Henlow

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:51:31 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:09:08 -0400
Subject: P&SS To Move To RAF Henlow


UpDates subscribers may be aware of persistent rumours that
secret UFO research has been taking place at RAF Rudloe Manor
near Corsham in South West England. Although a visit to the base
last week by eight British UFO Studies Centre researchers
unearthed only evidence of poorly defended low-security
facilities at Rudloe Manor itself we did discover a much higher
level of security surrounding the nearby Controller Defence
Communications Network (CDCN) facility nearby.

There are extensive underground facilities, mainly used for
storage, in the area.

Eric Morris, BUFOSC Director and Royal Navy veteran, was able to
discover that the Provost and Security Services (P&SS), whose
personnel have in the past investigated a few UFO reports, may
be moving to new headquarters at RAF Henlow in Bedfordshire
which offers a more convenient situation in terms of
communications with London.

For further detailed information on this and other important
news Updates subscribers may request our most recent email
bulletin for their consideration via;

matthews@zetnet.co.uk

Thank you.

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                            Re: Request for help!

From: Cheyne Conrad <chyren23@q-net.net.au>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:14:19 +0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:33:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Request for help!

>Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:51:37 +0100
>From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
>Organization: UFO SCOTLAND
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Request for help!

><snip>

>>Dear Dave:

>>I am an American currently co-writing a college research
>>project on UFO phenomena. I am doggedly trying to locate actual
>>"voice communication" TRANSCRIPTS between Air Tower Controllers
>>and commercial airline and private pilots who've had aerial UFO
>>sightings.

>>Is there any possibility you could help me, or direct me, to
>>find these actual transcripts, preferably somewhere on the
>>Internet, where access is almost instantaneous?

><snip>

>I am not sure if such a website exists, does anyone know of one
>or anything similar? I am sure it would be of interest and an
>asset to many other researchers too!

>Many many thanks in advance to all on the lists!

>Sincerely,

>Dave Ledger
>(UFO Scotland)

Dave et al,

A perfect example of this is the Frederick Valentich case of
1978, an oft ignored case, where a private pilot was in contact
with Air Traffic Control during an encounter with a highly
unusual craft. The contact terminated suddenly and the pilot and
his Cessna 182 were never found. An excerpt of the final moments
of his conversation with the tower can be found at:

http://ufos.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa033098.htm

- among other places. I believe a more detailed account with (I
think) a more complete transcript can be found in Timothy
Good's book  'Above Top Secret'.

Yours,

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                 Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:45:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:10:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:01:12 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> > Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:35:38 +0100
> > From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
> > Organization: UFO SCOTLAND
> > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Star Like Objects, Satellites and UFOs

> > Greetings Errol & fellow listmembers,

> <snip>

> > My question is:

> > Can satellites go around the Earth, in the same/similar orbits,
> > in completely opposite directions at the same time?

<snip>

> If you want to know the names of the particular satellites,
> rockets or other large space junk that you have observed,
> record the time and direction the object is moving and go to
> the web site below to help you identify what you saw.

> http://www.gsoc.dlr.de/satvis

> If you do not find it there, it could still be an high flying
> aircraft.  These aircraft may not exhibit the usual coloured
> lights when seen passing overhead (about 7 miles up) or may
> take on an amber or red colour and appear twinkle when seen
> right at the horizon (up to about 100 miles away - almost as
> distant as a few satellites).  If the object flares up briefly
> to many times its brightness or dims and disappears completely
> while it is crossing the sky, this is what would be expected
> under certain conditions.  If the object changes speed or
> directions, flashes frequently, gets larger or smaller in size,
> etc., then it is likely an aircraft or possibly even a true UFO.

> Happy observing.

> Nick Balaskas
>

OK. Went to the page referenced, and there was no mention, even down to
the lower magnitudes, for my sighting this morning. I guess I'll keep my
subscription to UFO UPdates current.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

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                         Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:50:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:15:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

>From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:04:48 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:24:01 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Roswell I-beam Glyphics

>>Now we are going to seriously look at the debris footage. Why?

<snip>

>Unfortunately, we do not have the actual physical I-beam to
>examine, but we may have actual photographs. Aside from the
>autopsy, there should be further studies of the I-beam footage
>before we pass final judgement on it's authenticity.

>Ignatius Graffeo

Hi Kevin, Ignatius and UFO UpDates list members,

I too was surprised how quick Kevin was to conclude that the
I-beam in the A.A. film must be a hoax too.

Although I think it is too, Ignatius (with George Barkouris)
have shown that the inscription on this I-beam can be deciphered
by substituting a very similar looking Greek letter for each the
symbols to produce the Greek word "elephtheria" which translates
to "freedom" or "independence" in English. Who was it that chose
this expression and why?

Ignatius and George have also made the suggestion that this
Greek expression on the I-beam and the movie Independence Day
may have some direct link. If this is true, then it should not
matter if the I-beam is a real extraterrestrial artifact or not,
since it would still be worthy of serious study. This I-beam and
its inscription is very much a part of the whole UFO mystery and
may even provide us with new leads.

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                       UFO Websites (Especially MUFON)

From: Joel Henry <jhenry@wavefront.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:01:52 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:20:23 -0400
Subject: UFO Websites (Especially MUFON)

I am announcing the Minnesota MUFON UFO Webpage for those who
are unaware the URL is:

http://www.wavefront.com/~jhenry/index.html

Also, I invite other MUFON groups to publicly post their sites
and will add them to our link page. Lets keep in touch and share
the info!

The Minnesota MUFON site contains inital reports as well as
investigation reports and images and scientific data where
available. We cover UFO's, Alien Abductions, Crop Circles, and
Cattle Mutilations. Our focus is to provide as much info on
these sightings in the Minnesota and surrounding area as we can,
so it is not a graphics heavy site (which should please those
who hate to wait for enormous graphics to download). I have
recieved many positive comments about our site and hope to visit
others as well. I keep an as current as possible list of MUFON
web sites and MUFON leadership (all states and some countries)
as well as contact info. If anyone sees the info is out o fdate,
please e-mail me at:

jhenry@wavefront.com

to let me know the current info.

Thanks and happy surfing.
Joel Henry

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                 Letter to Scientific American - 12-18-1886

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:47:50 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:47:50 -0400
Subject: Letter to Scientific American - 12-18-1886


From: The NUFORC Home Page

http://www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr/GNSciAm.html

National UFO Reporting Center
Letter to Scientific American
December 18, 1886

-----

Preface: One of the questions frequently asked in ufology is how
long the UFO phenomenon has been around. This letter-to-editor
of Scientific American, although proof of nothing, seems highly
suggestive of some of the more recent, and well-documented
sightings, e.g. the Cash-Landrum Case of December 29, l980, near
Houston, Texas. The letter was published in the December 18,
1886, issue of that magazine.

-----

CURIOUS PHENOMENON IN VENEZUELA

To the Editor of the Scientific American:

The following brief account of a recent strange meteorological
occurrence may be of interest to your readers as an addition to
the list of electrical eccentricities:

During the night of the 24th of October last, which was rainy
and tempestuous, a family of nine persons, sleeping in a hut a
few leagues from Maracaibo, were awakened by a loud humming
noise and a vivid, dazzling light, which brilliantly illuminated
the interior of the house.

The occupants completely terror stricken, and believing, as they
relate, that the end of the world had come, threw themselves on
their knees and commenced to pray, but their devotions were
almost immediately interrupted by violent vomitings, and
extensive swellings commenced to appear in the upper part of
their bodies, this being particularly noticeable about the face
and lips.

It is to be noted that the brilliant lights was not accompanied
by a sensation of heat, although there was a smoky appearance
and a peculiar smell.

The next morning, the swellings had subsided, leaving upon the
face and body large black blotches. No special pain was felt
until the ninth day, when the skin peeled off, and these
blotches were transformed into virulent raw sores.

The hair of the head fell off upon the side which happened to be
underneath when the phenomenon occurred, the same side of the
body being , in all nine cases, the more seriously injured.

The remarkable part of the occurrence is that the house was
uninjured, all doors and windows being closed at the time.

No trace of lightning could afterward by observed in any part of
the building, and all the sufferers unite in saying that there
was no detonation, but only the loud humming already mentioned.

Another curious attendant circumstance is that the trees around
the house showed no signs of injury until the ninth day, when
they suddenly withered, almost simultaneously with the
development of the sores upon the bodies of the occupants of the
house.

This is perhaps a mere coincidence, but it is remarkable that
the same susceptibility to electrical effects, with the same
lapse of time, should be observed in both animal and vegetable
organisms. I have visited the sufferers, who are now in one of
the hospitals of this city; and although their appearance is
truly horrible, yet it is hoped that in no case will the
injuries prove fatal.

Warner Cowgill.
U. S. Consulate,
Maracaibo, Venezuela
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                                 Tracy 'UFO'

From: Mike Jamieson <MDJ50@webtv.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:29:57 -0400
Subject: Tracy 'UFO'

The following is an Associated Press story, as I saw it in
today's Napa Register:

Mystery light streaks bay sky

San Francisco What was that light in the sky?

More than a dozen people who saw a bluish-white light streak
over the San Francisco Bay Tuesday evening were left asking that
same question. Radio station KCBS received about 15 calls at
9:45p.m., moments after the object was spotted whizzing ver the
bay before reportedly breaking into two or three pieces and
disappearing from sight.

"It was about 200 feet up in the air when it finally fell apart.
It was arcing just a little bit," said Sid Marcovitch, who saw
the object while driving along the Embarcadero waterfront.

A FAA spokeswoman had no reports of airborne oddities in the
area. But witnesses like Marcovitch remained stunned at what
they said they saw.

"I had never seen anything like that in my entire life. This was
big and it was close. It was exciting," said Marcovitch.

P.S. Tracy is about 50 or so miles directly east of SF and the
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                   UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:42:31 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:35:18 -0400
Subject: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage

From: The Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9808/05/text/national1.html

Stig

*******

Whatever it was, the 6.13 from outer space is a flier

Date: 05/08/98

By JOHN HUXLEY

It sounded, as a perplexed police spokeswoman later admitted, like
something straight from the pages of The X-Files. Soon after 6am
yesterday, Ron Arscott, a Berowra newsagent, was delivering papers
along The Gully Road when the windscreen of his car was suddenly filled
with a white light ... an impossibly bright, extraterrestrial light.

"This thing was flaming, falling fast, perpendicular to the horizon,"
he said. "I tell you, I got the fright of my life. For one moment, I
thought, "I have been chosen'."

Spooky. But Mr Arscott, a sensible man accustomed to seeing shooting
stars ("and this wasn't one of them"), was not alone.

>From as far north as the Sunshine Coast, as far south as the Royal
National Park, early risers telephoned police stations, emergency
services and radio switchboards with similar stories.

Various people saw various things: "a black ball with a fiery tail"; a
UFO "a quarter of the moon's size"; "a piece of space junk"; a distress
flare; and, possibly even a light plane.

Its destination was variously reported as the F3 motorway, the
Hawkesbury River, "somewhere north of Killcare", and Newcastle.

For almost three hours, the main target area, Ku-ring-gai Chase
National Park, was searched on land by police and emergency services
and from air by Polair and NRMA CareFlight choppers.

Nothing. No wreckage. No flares. Certainly no alien life-forms, though
the police spokeswoman retained an open mind.

"If Mulder and Scully [of The X-Files] do walk in, we'll know why."

The down-to-earth explanation was provided by Jonathan Nally, of Sky &
Space Magazine. "It was a fireball. A bloody big meteor basically."

How big?

"Oh, perhaps the size of a football, though it probably fragmented
before hitting the ground.

"I'm not suggesting that people are twits, but these things are very
deceptive. They appear much bigger and much closer than they are."

As the meteor approaches Earth at 30 kilometres a second, it appears to
burn as the density of the atmosphere increases about 80 kilometres up.
In fact, the outer shell is heated by friction and the surrounding air
is ionised.

"What you see is brightly glowing air - not flames shooting from the
back of the thing," Mr Nally said.

At 40 kilometres, the meteor has slowed and cooled.

"If it hasn't burned off completely, it enters a period of "dark
flight' - a great term, Steven Spielberg stuff - where it follows a
trajectory to ground."

Because of speed and angle of descent, this could be more than 200
kilometres from the observer.

Meteorites - as meteors become when they reach Earth - offer valuable
information about the origins of life.

"My word," Mr Nally said. "To find a pristine one, newly arrived, would
be ... ooh, wonderful."

This week, Mr Nally will try to pinpoint "the 6.13 from outer space" by
checking with witnesses and amateur astronomers, many of whom have
cameras pre-set to take pictures every few seconds.

He is not optimistic.

"Ultimately, it depends on information available and type of terrain
identified," he said.

"I fear that as dawn broke, many cameras will have switched off
automatically. Pressed, I could only say it came down somewhere midway
between Sydney and Brisbane." In 1989, an intensive search for a
meteorite that landed in the Tamworth area was unsuccessful despite a
$2 million reward offer and help from opal miners.

Lumps of rock falling from the skies. Bugs in the water. Is this some
apocalyptic warning?

Not in the meteorites, says Mr Nally.

Sure, an asteroid 1.6 kilometres wide is predicted to pass within
42,000 kilometres of Earth on October 27, 2028. Seriously.

But football-size lumps?

"One or two a month would be visible from any given location," Mr Nally
said. "People don't see them because it's too light, too cloudy, or
just the wrong time.

"There's a surprising number of people up and about at 6am."


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                              Helicopters Today

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:52:21 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:38:30 -0400
Subject: Helicopters Today

I just wanted to relate something that happened today. It
probably means nothing at all, but you never know, and it's best
to record things and events of interest.

At approximately 2:30 PM today (Aug 5) two "Chinooks", the large
helicopters with the twin overhead rotors flew directly over my
garage in formation. This in itself isn't odd, however to my
knowledge there are no military bases in New Hampshire. They
were dark, and I could see no markings, but that could have been
because of my perspective. They were at an altitude of
approximately 1500 feet, so they rattled everything. They were
headed north or northeast. Also, about a half hour later began a
series of nearby flights of Hueys in assorted directions, there
were at least three different ones, because I had them in sight,
but some of them may have just flown by again later.

This level of military activity near here is highly unusual. Does
anyone have any contacts to find out what they were doing? I
know there's an MOA in the White Mountains...on most
days you can watch F16s or A10s playing around up there.
Just not used to seeing that kind of thing around here.

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                            Pioneer 10 Calls Home

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:20:46 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:18:52 -0400
Subject: Pioneer 10 Calls Home

URL:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_145000/145885.stm

Stig

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BBC News Online: Sci/Tech

Wednesday, August 5, 1998 Published at 13:02 GMT 14:02 UK

Pioneer 10 calls home

One of the most distant space probes ever launched into space has been
contacted again and is sending back valuable data about unexplored
space. Our science editor Dr David Whitehouse reports

Pioneer 10 was in every sense a pioneering space mission. Launched on
March 2nd 1972 it opened the way to the exploration of deep space.

It was the first craft to travel through the asteroid belt, a region of
rocky debris between Mars and Jupiter.

It was the first craft to explore Jupiter and on June 13th, 1983, was
the first space probe to travel further than the Sun's most distant
planet.

Since then it has been sending back information as it heads for
interstellar space with dwindling onboard power.

Its goal is the so-called heliopause, a region in space where the Sun's
influence ends and true interstellar space begins. No spacecraft has
ever reached it.

Pioneer 10's mission formally ended in 1997 but as part of a training
program controllers of the Lunar Prospector spacecraft in orbit around
the moon detected it once again.

It's still working 10.6 billion km (6.6 billion miles) away. It is so
distant that light takes 19h 40m to reach it.

It is heading towards the red star Aldeberan, the main star in the
constellation of Taurus. It should get there in 2 million years time.

In the unlikely event that any form of life should find it it contains
a plaque telling them about the creatures that built it.

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                     Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:29:22 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:29:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

> From: Gre St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
> Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:39:12
> Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

> Personally, I'd love to see you try and tell my dad that he didn't
> see precisely what he says he saw. That might even be worth
> videotaping.

Greg, you're father's sighting sound fascinating, and I'm
certainly not, from several thousand miles away (?) and four
years afterwards, try to offer any sort of explanation. But I'm
struck by the same things your dad found curious: the object did
not reflect the sunlight, and nobody else seemed to see it. This
sounds like something other than a large, solid constructed
object, but at this distance I have no idea what - should I?

Jerome Clark asks what is my evidence for saying that witnesses
start "adding little extras" like "I could see the windows",
etc. Well for one, standing around on cold hillside on
skywatches at Warminster, for instance where I have heard just
such remarks, and from reading and hearing dozens of people who
have see re-entering space debris or meteorites describing them
as cylindrical objects with lights along them.

Let's also be glad that Jerry Clark didn't go into police work.
No doubt he would be prepared to accept the testimony of
"individuals with high levels of civic responsibility" without
question, and no doubt the jails would be bursting with even
more miscarriages of justice than they are now. This of course
is why Britain and the USA are blessed with a jury system which
allows all reported and remembered versions of an event to be
heard and judged, and come to a verdict which is "beyond
reasonable doubt". I am just glad that most people in law
enforcement do accept that uncorroborated eyewitness testimony
is open to doubt and challenge.

May I just reprise a few questions I have asked which have gone
notably unanswerd from previous posts:

Why does Mark Cashman reject "accounts of communication with UFO
occupants, repeater sightings and any suggestion that the
witness has been 'chose' by the UFO source"?

Why is he unwilling to accept that there is a proportion of
unsolved hoaxes amongst UFO reports whilst he is happy to make
assumptions about unreported observations of unusual natural
phenomena?

What about Monnerie's identification of UFOs and IFOs?

How can investigators ensure that 're-enactments' are accurate
reporoductions of the conditions of the original event; and what
techniques do ufologists use in their interviews to ensure that
they are "capable of determining the witnesses perceptual
ability and the degree to which they are capable of
distinguishing natural phenomena."?

John Rimmer
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                            Re: Helicopters Today

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:04:40 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:28:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Helicopters Today


> From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:52:21 EDT
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Helicopters today

Hi Greg:

> I just wanted to relate something that happened today. It
> probably means nothing at all, but you never know, and it's best
> to record things and events of interest.

> At approximately 2:30 PM today (Aug 5) two "Chinooks", the large
> helicopters with the twin overhead rotors flew directly over my
> garage in formation.

I'm just curious what you mean by 2 copters flying "in formation".

By this, do you simply mean they were in close proximity, and
travelling at the same speed in the same direction?

If not, what was the shape of the formation?

- Larry Hatch

>This in itself isn't odd, however to my knowledge there are no
>military bases in New Hampshire.

Unless they were closed, there are

1)  Portsmouth Naval shipyard    - and -
2 ) Pease AFB a short distance to the NorthWest of Portsmouth.

There may well be other facilities.    I found these on the fly.

- LH

> They
> were dark, and I could see no markings, but that could have been
> because of my perspective. They were at an altitude of
> approximately 1500 feet, so they rattled everything. They were
> headed north or northeast. Also, about a half hour later began a
> series of nearby flights of Hueys in assorted directions, there
> were at least three different ones, because I had them in sight,
> but some of them may have just flown by again later.
>
> This level of military activity near here is highly unusual. Does
> anyone have any contacts to find out what they were doing? I
> know there's an MOA in the White Mountains...on most
> days you can watch F16s or A10s playing around up there.
> Just not used to seeing that kind of thing around here.
>
> Greg









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               Scripps Howard on Area 51 And Cheyenne Mountain

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:37:29 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:17:29 -0400
Subject: Scripps Howard on Area 51 And Cheyenne Mountain


URL: http://www.drudgereport.com/1.htm

Stig

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DRUDGE REPORT
By Matt Drudge
Tue Aug 04 1998 21:00:33 ET

<snip>

SECRET MILITARY BASES

1,850 Now Employed at "Area 51"

Underground installations, ultra-secure manufacturing plants and
secret laboratories America needed to wage the Cold War are
still intact despite federal downsizing policies that have
gutted many other military and civilian programs.

The SCRIPPS HOWARD news service is set to move a pair of
features on its circuits this weekend.

More than 1,850 federal civilian workers are currently employed
at "Area 51" in the southern Nevada desert -- most in
well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high-security facilities
in and near the range.

"This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the
United States. It used to be that the Air Force tried to pretend
that Area 51 didn't exist at all," Jeff Moag, a researcher for
the National Security News Service, tells SCRIPPS.

Who works at Area 51?

Non-government military observers believe that hundreds, or
thousands, of military and civilian workers who are employed in
the desert facilities take daily flights from Las Vegas
airfields into the base. "Computer records appear to confirm
this," says the fascinating report.

Whatever they do At Area 51 -- officially designated the "Nellis
Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range" on Nevada maps -- it is
still done is secret.

But SCRIPPS suggests that the base is the testing grounds for
America's most secret military machines, everything from the
F-117 stealth fighter to electro-magnetic pulse weapons.

The wire also explores the super-secret Cheyenne Mountain Air
Force and Army complex in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. There
are 6,658 employees there.

What exactly do they do?

Cheyenne Mountain operates military communication and navigation
satellites; it watches for the launch of any high-altitude
missile system anywhere in the world. The center also tracks
more than 8,500 objects in earth orbit to warn manned space
flights of collision threats, and assists the Justice Department
and U.S. Customs in illegal drug interdiction programs by trying
to track aircraft suspected of carrying dope...

<snip>

Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
(c)DRUDGE REPORT 1998
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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:08:41 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:23:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:56:46 +0100
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
>Subject: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>>From: Mark Cashman ,mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:09:20 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>Mr Cashman notes that the Batelle study and a GEPAN study found
>that there *was* a difference between UFO reports which were
>subsequently identified and those which remained unidentified.
>Other researchers, e.g Hendry and Monnerie found otherwise.

I believe Jerome Clark, with his much broader knowledge of the
history of UFO research has covered these items adequately. I
will only say that Battelle and GEPAN both are large
organizations with statisticians well to hand. I am perfectly
willing to listen if other statisticians care to raise
methodological problems with such studies. I do not think that
generalists have any place in such disputes.

>The real problem with Mr Cashman's approach is that he seems to have
>decided in advance what a "UFO" is: "metallic, structured,
>contains occupants", claiming that these may be safely removed
>from the class of reports which might be explained as
>misinterpretations of natural phenomena.

The following is, as far as I am concerned, the definition of
the UFO, as I have stated many times before:


"UFO Report - a statement by a person or persons judged
responsible and psychologically normal by commonly accepted
standards, describing a personal visual or instrumentally aided
perception of an object or light in the sky or on the ground and
/ or its assumed physical effects, that does not specify any
known physical event, object, or process or any psychological
event or process [even after examination by qualified
persons]..."

   Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Northwestern University, founder of the
Center for UFO Studies

Given this definition, one must surely see that while NL class
reports might slip through this filter as misperceptions, it is
highly unlikely for CE reports to do so. Objects with large
angular size are clearly observable and details can be seen. In
fact, an angular size of a degree allows one to see considerable
features on conventional aircraft such as blimps and airliners.

>I am not so sanguine
>about this, perticularly if the original sighting triggers
>psychological reaction in the percipient. This need not
>necessarily be one of panic, although as Hendry has shown this
>can induce remarkable reports.

Yes, it can, However, such reports are identifiable and have
been identified.

Secondly, numerous cases exist in the literature where either
panic was not present, or where a witness to a previous UFO
event was in a position to misperceive a hoaxed UFO event (this
happened several times in the Hudson Valley), and said witnesses
successfully discriminated between the prior unknown and the
current hoax, despite the fact that at flap was at the time
underway. These situations indicate that CE events are not
caused by misperceptions or by media susceptibility.

>The fact that the concept of the
>extraterrestrial UFO exists, allows percipients to immediately
>place a puzzling experience into a acceptable context.

As Haines points out, the presence of such a concept does indeed
allow the witness to avoid panic to some extent.

However, it is noteworthy that even with the wide dissemination
of UFO information in our modern culture, most UFO witnesses are
not seeking a UFO experience and most witnesses strongly seek
mundane explanations prior to admitting their experience as a
UFO. Some witnesses, in fact, never admit their experience to be
a UFO even when both they and the investigators are unable to
identify the object seen.

It is difficult to see how this fits into any model which
requires CE cases to be psychologically generated.

>Mr Cashman also has a great deal more faith than I do in the
>capabilities of investigators:

I have offered numerous critiques of field investigation
practices in the past and will continue to do so.

>>an interview is usually capable of determining the witnesses
>>perceptual ability and the degree to which they are capable of
>>distinguishing natural phenomena

>>Most investigators use on-site reenactment to determine if the
>>witness is prone to identifying non-UFO stimuli as UFOs.

>From the first quotation I assume that Mr Cashman is not a lawyer
>in his day job, or he would be more doubtful about the ability of
>individuals to accurately describe events months, days or even
>hours afterwards. Still less whan these are of an unprecedented
>nature or experienced in periods of anxiety.

Perhaps Mr. Rimmer would care to cite from the literature of
witness psychology to demonstrate his contention that the
majority of persons are unable to remember or describe what they
see from day to day, much less an astonishing event such as a
UFO sighting. My examination of that literature and the
cognitive psychology literature has failed to support the
notion. In effect, the sort of misperceptions which Mr. Rimmer
is suggesting lies far from the witness who gets the hair color
of a criminal wrong. It's more on the order of someone mistaking
a refrigerator for a bird - which, by definition, would be
delusional.

No investigator doubts that witnesses vary in quality. But
previous studies have found that the better the report the less
likely the object is to be identified, and no explanation other
than that better witnesses provide better details has been
supportable.

Obviously, every investigator knows that the best report is
obtained as close as possible to the event. Further,
investigators frequently use SI or CI techniques to improve the
amount and accuracy of recall. These techniques do improve on
unstructured interviews in quantity and quality of recall
according to studies done in the field of criminal
investigation.

>Even if I believed
>that "most" investigators used on-site reenactement, I would
>still be doubtfull as to how accurately such a reenctment really
>duplicated the original event, at the same time of day, weather
>conditions, etc.

The whole point of doing the reenactment is to accomplish just
that. One goes at the time of day and week of the original
sighting and attempts to match weather conditions as best as
possible.

Do most investigators use the technique? That's unknown. And for
many cases it would be overkill. But for cases where the object
was in close proximity and for cases where measurements (such as
triangulation) may be possible, it is essential.

>How, for instance, would they ensure that a
>suitable UFO-stimulus just happened to be passing by? Presumably
>the witness simply has to say, "oh, that's a plane, nothing like
>what I saw', and the investigators can rule out a conventional
>explanation and start looking for ETs?

During a reenactment, which it is clear Mr. Rimmer has never
performed, the investigator visits the site first without the
witness to assess such variables as visibility, traffic, air
traffic, etc.

When the investigator meets with the witness, he watches the
witness to see how the witness reacts to the environment, and to
the astronomical and air traffic features in that environment.
If the witness starts claiming aircraft to be UFOs, the
investigator knows to pack it up and go home. If not, then the
investigator then runs through the sighting with the witness. In
some cases, the investigator rides or walks with the witness,
trying to keep the witness in a state of mind that allows for
clear recall of events, while at the same time trying to keep
the witness from introducing confabulatory material. There's
also the check provided by the first, off site interview.

Investigators don't go looking for ETs. We go looking for
airplanes, car lights, house lights, bright planets, fireworks,
etc. We know very well, without Mr. Rimmer's amateur advice,
that many reports are by well-intentioned people who have had a
low strangeness experience which represents a misinterpretation
of an existing phenomenon.

>Mr Cashman considers that any suggestion that rather more than
>the "tiny percentage of reports [that] have been explained as
>hoaxes" might actually be hoaxes is 'not scientific', yet later
>he tells us that "unreported but witnessed unusual natural
>phenomena are more frequent than UFO reports". If they are
>unreported, how does he know? Is this scientific? Presumably
>there is no such thing as an undiscovered hoax?

I'd ask Mr. Rimmer how frequently he has seen an unusual insect
or bird in his yard vs. how frequently he had reported it to the
Audubon Society or a local university.

As for the issue of hoaxes, let's see a study that demonstrates
the proportion of undiscovered hoaxes.

We have several studies which indicate the reservoir of
unreported UFO cases. Perhaps such a study exists for hoaxes of
which I am unaware.

>I am surprised by the qualifications which Mr Cashman makes when
>considering his class 'd' reports:

>There seems to be no logic to these qualifications. Our 'analyst'
>seems happy to include 'clearly stuctured objects, engaged in
>distinctive behaviour, often leaving physical traces', but starts
>getting cold feet when this 'distinctive behaviour' includes
>contact with the prdominant life-form of the planet the presumed
>ETs are visiting! Is this science, or just a hunch?

Perhaps Mr. Rimmer is unaware of the fact that believing oneself
to be a privileged victim or a privileged person specially
selected by the phenomenon is a psychological sign of a person
seeking attention and importance. Messages from the space people
informing the contactee of his special mission and tasking him
to inform the world are the special sign of the crackpot, and
are the indicator of witnesses who are rightly rejected by the
serious investigator.

Once we get to CEs, it seems clear that the explanation of
misperception just doesn't hold up. Therefore, psychological
problems and hoaxing become the major concern for the
investigator.

I'll close by stating that there is no question we need better
studies in a number of areas:

1) IFOs vs. UFOs.
2) The pattern of IFOs across Hynek categories.
3) Psychological profiles of problematic witness types.

Unfortunately, we have to do all that and investigate UFOs too.
Mr. Rimmer and his associates are of no assistance in these
tasks, despite the relevance of these problems to the MHH. The
reason for this is unknown.

------
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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Rob Irving <RobIrving@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:16:35 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:55:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Reply-To: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:08:41 -0400
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

Mark,

<snip>

>As for the issue of hoaxes, let's see a study that demonstrates
>the proportion of undiscovered hoaxes.

As I am sure you realised immediately after writing that, it
would of course be impossible to conduct a study of anything
undiscovered.

Because Jerome Clark enjoys citing Marcello Truzzi so much, I
take great pleasure in pointing you towards Truzzi's 'The
Sociology and Psychology of Hoaxes, in which he writes:

'A further fundamental problem with categorizing sources is that
any generalizations or even speculations about hoaxers must be
based on a) hoaxes that have been exposed (there are surely
hoaxers whose fabrications remain undiscovered) and b) those
cases of known hoaxes where the hoaxer has been identified
(there are many hoaxes whose perpetrators remain a mystery).'

Truzzi would appear to be supporting Rimmer on this.  This
stands to reason: Anyone who has any appreciation of the
nature/motive of hoaxing in ufology (and related subjects) would
understand the value of uncertainty. It's often the whole point,
despite what many ufologists would have us believe when they
speak of money and the need for attention as major factors,
which they're usually not.

Also, you might consider the amount of proven hoaxes that remain
the subject of general discussion in ufology, as if very much
alive.

Rob






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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: "Jerome Clark" <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 11:15:19 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:50:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs


> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:29:22 +0100
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
> Subject: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

> > From: Gre St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
> > Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:39:12
> > Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

> Jerome Clark asks what is my evidence for saying that witnesses
> start "adding little extras" like "I could see the windows",
> etc. Well for one, standing around on cold hillside on
> skywatches at Warminster, for instance where I have heard just
> such remarks, and from reading and hearing dozens of people who
> have see re-entering space debris or meteorites describing them
> as cylindrical objects with lights along them.


Only an insignificant minority of witnesses are in the high
state of expectancy that those "standing around on cold
hillsides on skywatches at Warminster" are or were. John doesn't
seem to grasp that the overwhelming majority of witnesses are
not expecting to see a UFO; in fact, the notion is just about
the last thing they're anticipating. That's why most practice
some variety of hypothesis-escalation. At a skywatch at
Warminster (or wherever) the process is reversed; the FIRST
thing somebody thinks of is a UFO. John's use of Warminster as
an example tells us much about the poverty of the PSH.

> Let's also be glad that Jerry Clark didn't go into police work.
> No doubt he would be prepared to accept the testimony of
> "individuals with high levels of civic responsibility" without
> question, and no doubt the jails would be bursting with even
> more miscarriages of justice than they are now. This of course
> is why Britain and the USA are blessed with a jury system which
> allows all reported and remembered versions of an event to be
> heard and judged, and come to a verdict which is "beyond
> reasonable doubt". I am just glad that most people in law
> enforcement do accept that uncorroborated eyewitness testimony
> is open to doubt and challenge.

John as usual misses the point and in the bargain phrases the
argument in cartoonish terms. Purely Speculative Hypothesizers
like to say that those of us who don't believe the human sensory
apparatus is routinely and predictably dysfunctional must
believe therefore that it never errs -- an argument just as
preposterous. We have juries -- and good investigators -- to
weigh evidence and to judge, based on a variety of relevant
factors, which testimony is more likely to be reliable than
others. If we couldn't do that, human life would be even more
chaotic than it already is, and probably we couldn't maintain
anything like civilized order.

John, who clearly doesn't spend much time reading field reports
by good investigators, doesn't understand that the best UFO
researchers, like skilled investigators in all areas (from
police to insurance to science), look into all of these matters
conscientiously before coming to conclusions. PSHers, on the
other hand, merely sit on their duffs and speculate freely about
what psychological or cultural "needs" led some poor sap to be
deluded into thinking he'd encountered something that doesn't
exist in the Purely Speculative universe.

If John were a police officer and the concept of crime didn't
exist in his particular PSH legal theory, God help all victims
reporting same. John certainly wouldn't. I'm sure, though, that
they'd hear all about the fallibility of testimony and about the
"needs" that caused them to imagine somebody had robbed or
assaulted them.

Jerry Clark






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                            Re: Helicopters Today

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:02:08 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Helicopters Today

>Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:04:40 -0700
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Helicopters Today >>


>I'm just curious what you mean by 2 copters flying "in formation".

>By this, do you simply mean they were in close proximity, and
>travelling at the same speed in the same direction?

>If not, what was the shape of the formation?

Larry,


The lead helicopter was approximately 50 feet to the left of, and
100 yards ahead of the trailing helicopter. They were traveling in
the same direction at the same speed, and as far as I could tell
from underneath, at the same altitude.

>Unless they were closed, there are

>1)  Portsmouth Naval shipyard    - and -
>2 ) Pease AFB a short distance to the NorthWest of Portsmouth.

>There may well be other facilities.    I found these on the fly.

>- LH

Pease is no longer a military base. It has been known for some
time now as Pease International.

I don't know what landing facilities for helicopters exist at the
Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. I suppose it constitutes a base,
but aren't Naval shipyards used for building new ships for the
Navy and making repairs? I wouldn't consider it a place to which
large military helicopters would go.

Greg





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                              Filer's Files #31

From: Majorstar@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:13:00 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:00:07 -0400
Subject: Filer's Files #31


Filer's Files #31-1998  MUFON Skywatch Investigations
George A. Filer, MUFON Eastern Director,
August 6, 1998,  Majorstar@aol.com  609 654-0020

SIGHTINGS ARE INCREASING SO GET YOUR CAMERAS READY.

President Jimmy Carter during his election campaign in May 1976 stated:  "If I
become President, I�ll make every piece of information this country has about
UFO sightings available to the public, and the scientists.  I am convinced
that UFOs exist because I�ve seen one...  "The National Inquirer, June 8,
1976, "The Night I Saw a UFO."

NEW JERSEY

Woodstown,  On Sunday, August 2, 1998, a couple was driving down Audburn Road
in southern New Jersey at 3:00 PM, when they spotted a silver cigar shaped
object hovering at tree level.  The 72 year old woman commented to her 48 year
old daughter that they must be friends of your sister, because her sister is
interested in the UFO phenomena.  They didn't want to talk about it too much,
because they are afraid of the whole subject.

Swedesboro,  Six hours later at 9:10 PM, Charles W. and his wife were looking
out their bedroom window and saw a UFO with numerous red lights flying just
above the trees near an abandoned Nike Missile Base.  It had extremely bright
quick flashing lights apparently from within the slowly spinning disc.  It
appeared the bright lights were shinning through the craft�s windows.  Shortly
afterward they and their neighbors noticed at least two helicopters apparently
landing at the base.  This is the same general area near Mullica Hill where so
many sightings have occurred in recent months.  Thanks Evelyn Gaulson and
Charles W.

Trentonian Newspaper:  UFOs were reported over two towns in central New
Jersey.  On June 27, witnesses in Hopewell and Ewing reported seeing a craft
without wings moving at a slow pace across the sky.  The objects were seen by
two different observers and were brightly lighted.  The witnesses did not
think they saw an internally lit blimp, and none was reported.

Ted Spickler writes in response to the plasma orb photos reported from New
Jersey last week.  I suspect after seeing the photos posted on the web that
the camera has a defect possibly on a focal plane shutter.  I propose a few
experiments: Use a lens cap and advance the film.  Remove the lens cap and
point the camera at a bright light source to allow some ambient light to enter
the lens and pass through the hypothesized hole or holes in the shutter.
After a few minutes replace the lens cap and then press the shutter button to
take a picture of nothing, advance the film and try again with varying amounts
of time of light exposure to the camera.  This will reveal if there is a leak
in the shutter. Thanks to Ted Spickler

NEW YORK

MUFON investigator Evelyn Gaulson obtained information of a UFO sighting over
New York City.  In June 1998, Pat�s friend, who lives on the 9th floor of a
high rise apartment near East 62nd and 3rd viewed a saucer shaped craft.  The
disc was hovering over the city.  Last Sunday, I viewed some spectacular
photographs by Alex Cavallari confirming the sightings of disc shaped UFOs
over the New York City area.

Kevin Callahan explains that he and friends go up to Pine Bush, NY a couple
times a week to either the Route 52 cemetery or West Searsville Road, where
they've seen some strange things.  Kevin states, "We have seen non-blinking
yellowish lights fly across the sky without any noticeable sound.  The UFO
completely turned out its lights then turned them back on before flying out of
view.  Marc, Rebecca and Kevin saw a yellowish non-blinking light.  It flew
from the horizon diagonally increasing to three times in size.  It then
returned to its normal size and shot back to the spot where it started.
Suddenly, seven car alarms sounded off in unison.  Then at 11:30 PM in almost
the same place where they saw the lights, a large fireworks-like display
exploded overhead.  This was the kind of a big fireworks you need a permit to
stage.  Photos were also taken of a white mist that show a head and neck, the
eyes, nostrils, and mouth of a typical "Grey" alien.  That photo is on the web
page:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/9366/PineBush.html.  Thanks to
Kevin Callahan

NEW YORK PHOTOANALYSIS:

Jeff Sainio�s analysis of October 11, 1997, photos shot with Nikon camera near
Bergen, NY is complete.  Witnesses were driving on I-90, when they noticed
bright star-like objects in the northeast sky around 6:45 PM.  The objects
were viewed through binoculars and five photos were taken.  The objects
disappeared going straight up fast.  Focus of the UFOs was consistent with
other distant objects.  Although queries about the time between photos have
not yet been answered, the variety of backgrounds (therefore considerable
movement between photos) indicates the UFOs are distant (therefore large)
objects.  As large objects eliminate fraud as a possibility, misidentification
possibilities must be eliminated.  No stars are visible, as expected for Kodak
200 speed film.  A quick glance at a photo would lead one to suspect a jet
contrail.  Depending on upper air humidity, a contrail can evaporate very
quickly, yielding a short object.  But, by simply looking at a blowup, the
asymmetric shape of a contrail is not seen.  The UFO images; they look like
fat white saucers.  One of the photos is described as showing three objects;
however a third object only shows up on one of the two copies submitted; it is
therefore not on the negative.  Its focus indicates it is a piece of dirt
somewhere in the print machine.  Other than this minor point, I find no
contradiction between the witness testimony and the physical evidence.  I find
no explanation for the objects in the photos, and they remain unidentified.
Thanks to Jeff Sainio,  MUFON Staff Photoanalyst   7206 W. Wabash Ave.
Milwaukee WI 53223-2609  jsainio@qgraph.com

HOW TO TAKE GOOD VIDEOS

MUFON�s photoanalyst, Jeff Sainio gives advice on taking good photos/videos.
The best camera to use is a camcorder; since most sightings are at night, and
cameras just don't handle low light, even with fast film.  Lock the auto-focus
mechanisms at infinity; and if the unknown object gets closer than optimum for
the infinity setting, RUN LIKE HELL.  Close encounters are rarely pleasant.
TALK TALK TALK as you film.  Describe what you are seeing, zoom changes you
are making, whatever.  Unless your battery is low, let the tape run to provide
timing information.  Move around (and describe how you are moving on the audio
track) to put trees/ branches/buildings in front of the object.  If the object
seems to be moving erratically, line up a distant object close to it and hold
steady.  Kneeling or sitting, with elbows stabilized on knees, can give a
fairly steady shot.  If you have zoom, zoom in and out to alternately provide
closeups of any structure, then back to show position in the sky.  If the
object is simply a dot, you won't be able to discern any shape, and neither
will I.  In this case, running the focus back and forth can give useful
information, too complicated to describe here.  Thanks to  Jeff Sainio at:
jsainio@qgraph.com

PENNSYLVANIA

Monroe County: Stan Gordon reports he received a call on his UFO Hotline from
a woman who sounded shaken after observing a strange aerial device on August
3, 1998.  The woman was inside home around 12:45 AM, when she saw red and
green lights reflecting off the surface of a lake about fifty feet away.  The
witness at first thought that there was a thunderstorm.  Looking out the
window she observed a "perfectly round" object with red and green lights hover
over the lake.  The bottom of the object was lit up.  She watched it hover for
about 30 seconds when suddenly it launched straight up.  The woman reported
that her two cats were frightened and ran out of the room.  Several hours
previously, Stan also received a report from the Pittsburgh area of a sighting
of an object that appeared to explode into many bright fragments.

Hollidaysburg in Blair County, On July 14, 1998, around 10:00 PM, a witness
driving on Route 22 observed three blue-white triangular lights that formed an
inverted V.  It appeared motionless for about 45 seconds.  The witness slowed
down to see the lights better, and as he watched them hover, they suddenly
exploded and disappeared from sight.  Over the last couple of months, Stan
reports several witnesses have used the term "explode" to describe an object
in the process of disappearing from the sight of the observer.  The PA UFO
Hotline number is 724-838-7768  Thanks to Stan Gordon.

GEORGIA WEATHER UFO SIMILAR TO NEW ZEALAND

Brownwood: On June 16, 1998, a strange weather UFO was observed just before a
thunderstorm.  A second witness has been located who saw this red light.
There are no power lines and it is over an older suburban area.  What the
Brownwood witness saw was briefer and lighting further away (100 yards) than
what the Colquitte St. witness saw.  The Brownwood witness saw more of a
streak of bright red color than anything else.  The point of this streaking
was hard to determine except that he thinks it was a ball of about five feet
in diameter.  His vantage point was only in between some trees and so he only
saw it cross between a 100 foot wide gap.  The speed of the red ball was
slightly over a 100 mph.  If the Brownwood witness, who saw his red object at
12:01 AM and two and a half miles almost straight west of the later Colquitte
Street witness account is accurate, then the UFO did a course change and moved
down and then upward.  Many have also said that this storm came out of
nowhere; I mean nowhere!  Unlike most fronts that sweep through from the West,
it was not on radar in Alabama 15 miles away.  Both witnesses saw the plasma
and a large red glare after the main portion of the storm had passed.  The
possibility of a genuine UFO using an intense storm for cover or fleeing a
storm has to be considered.  Thanks to John Thompson and ISUR.

NEW ZEALAND

Tim J. from Eltham in the western province of Taranaki, New Zealand claims he
witnessed a similar rare weather phenomenon about six years ago.  I am now
convinced that what I saw was Sphere Lightning.  The object was witnessed from
the window of a local Pub by four people.  The town had only recently
experienced a thunderstorm that was not violent.  The sphere was light blue in
color, and only visible against the clouds about one kilometer away.  It moved
erratically like paper in the wind and quickly moved higher.  This area was
contaminated with high levels of arsenic in the soil that was crossed by power
lines.  These factors could have contributed to the formation of sphere
lighting as the storm had passed.  It may be s possible that the local arsenic
contamination might generate gasses that bring sphere lightning to life?  E-
mail TimJ@xtra.co.nz >

FLORIDA

Key West:  On July 28, 1998, Terry Biesiadecki saw UFOs while boating seven
miles off shore in the American and Maryland Shoals between 8:30 PM and 10:00
PM.  Terry spotted ten orange circles in geometric position that suddenly
appeared.  They stayed for ten minutes, disappeared and returned in five
minutes.  Later, nine orange discs lit up the sky.  Next, three orange rings
in a triangle dimension appeared and then disappeared.  Words do not explain
the whole situation, their size and how the sky was lighted.  Thanks to Terry
Biesiadecki, Phone# 734-675-1458, 23331 Parke Ln Grosse Ile, Mi. 48138, ISUR
and John Thompson.

Gulf Breeze:  On Tuesday, July 28, 1998,  Andrew Cavaseno, Lisa, Beverly and
Matthew Pilcher were skywatching at South Shoreline Park.  At 9:00 PM, CDT a
reddish, amber glowing object was observed flying over the buildings next to
the sound. The hovering object was the size of a dime at arm's length, 20
degrees of above the horizon.  This object was near a �cone shaped cloud� that
had just formed and arrived swiftly from the northeast.  We were observing an
unusual cloud due to the nature of its behavior.  The cloud hovered and
remained stationary even though other clouds were moving with the normal wind
patterns.  The �cone shaped cloud� was at arm's length, at least 6 inches from
bottom to the top point.  The smaller "object" seemed to disappear into the
cloud and never reappeared.  When, the object entered the cone shaped cloud,
lightning was emitted from only that particular cloud.

Pensacola: Early Saturday, August 1, 1998, Andrew Cavaseno and Lisa Pilcher
were driving northbound on the Pensacola Bay Bridge at 12:15 AM.  To the
northeast they saw an object that at arm's length was at least the size of a
quarter.  The UFO was shaped like a sombrero and hovering.  The object was
completely surrounded by extremely bright yellow, gold, amber lights and
seemed to be "shimmering".  We observed the vividly lit object for two minutes
until we passed over the bridge and below the tree line Beverly and Matthew
Pincher were following a few minutes behind the first car and also noticed a
gold light.  Thanks to Android2u, Andrew Cavaseno, Lisa, Beverly, and Matthew
Pilcher.

MISSISSIPPI

Michael Jones reports he saw discs on NASA semi-trucks ten to fifteen years
ago.  I remember the weekend made New Years a four day weekend, because of how
it fell.  I was living in New Orleans at the time and drove to Florida and
back for the holidays.  I was traveling I-10 going west back towards New
Orleans.  I say Biloxi, but I would have to say that I cannot rule out
anywhere between Mississippi and Louisiana.  There is a NASA installation
somewhere around there with an exit sign, and I assumed that was where they
were going.  I was driving a VW Bug and the wind from them pushed me.  If you
ever drove one at that speed you would know what I mean.  The semi trucks were
regular flatbeds with three to four discs on each truck.  They were not that
big.  It was dark but I still got a good look.  They were not wider than the
expressway lane.  The shape was like that of the Jupiter 2 on Lost in Space
only more windows and the legs were like large Slinky's with a covering
coiled, lifeless, and carelessly curled.  I think they each had four legs.
They seemed very fragile and I wondered if they could fly.  They just looked
so limp I mentioned it to somebody who visited NASA and he told me that they
were Hover Craft.  Thanks to:  Michael Jones michael@atlanta.com

ARKANSAS

Ward: Pat writes on August 1st that, "It was around midnight when my daughter
told me to come look out her bedroom window at the bright large round ball of
light."  I couldn't believe what I was seeing.  I know it wasn't a light
plane, because it was just different from any plane.  While, we were looking
at it, I would go out and come back in again.  I am so excited about this I
have been looking up at the sky every night for years and never seen anything
like this before.  You can bet I will be back out there again tonight. Thanks
to Kelly@Futura.com

CALIFORNIA

San Franciso: News reports on August 4, 1998, described an unidentified
bluish/white light streaking over the Bay at around 9:30 PM, Tuesday, PST.
Radio station KCBS took about fifteen calls from observers who sighted an UFO
passing over at an altitude of only several hundred feet.  The "object"
apparently broke into at least two pieces and disappeared going east.  The
local air control and meteorological monitoring center have as yet no
explanation for the sighting.  Curiously, similar anomalous lights have been
reported at this location and on this trajectory over the past couple of
years.  Later reports surfaced of a possible crash of an object one hundred
miles east of San Francisco near Tracey.  Unconfirmed reports claimed that
witnesses had observed a greenish blue object being hit and possibly shot
down.  Thanks to Allen Penny and Skywatch International.

AUSTRALIA

Lawnton: Brett Jones a 27 year old university student saw a low flying object
at 10:30 PM on July 30, 1998, for only a few seconds.  The object was about
two stories high and made no noise.  Two small red lights joined by a thick 3
meters long stretched cable was seen.  It rotated slightly as it flew along at
about 50 kilometers per hour. Phone Number: 3264 1848, Address: 689 Albany
Creek Road, Albany Creek.  Qld. Australia. 4035

Dutton Park: On July 4, 1998, a man reported seeing a transparent oblong
object with portholes at 7:30 PM.  The object was glowing white and lit from
the inside.

Moreton  Bay. On July 7th, Air Force retiree reports seeing black smoke rise
out of the ocean while he was fishing east of Green Island on Moreton Bay
about 3:15 PM.  The smoke reportedly went 50 meters into the air before a
flash like a bomb went off and left a black ring in the air. This area is too
shallow for submarine activity and this is not a normal Navy training area.

Bunya Downs.  On July 11, a husband and wife reported seeing a strange craft
traveling exceptionally fast before disappearing into the clouds at 3:00 PM.
A strange booming noise was heard.
Deception Bay: July 16, 1998, A couple report seeing two red lights moving
slowly close to the ground before moving over a neighbors house at 8:15 PM.
No  sound reported.

Lawnton.  On July 18, a witness reports seeing bright lights traveling south
below cloud level about 8 PM.  Also on July 18, at Deception Bay, Seven people
report seeing yellow/orange lights moving erratically before forming a line
and disappearing after three minutes.
 Indooroopilly.  A man reports a 1992 sighting of two silver disc objects
fifteen feet in diameter at 12.30 PM while in the yard of his suburban home.
The discs reportedly came within meters of the witness before disappearing in
a flash.

Calamvale: On July 26, a husband and wife report a large red, star shaped
object, moving south for 15 seconds before a flame shot out of the base and it
disappeared.
Redcliffe.  On July 28, Mother and son report a white cigar shaped object
hovering in the sky for ten minutes.  The son reportedly took photos of the
object. Thanks to Barry Davidson  phnixvan@mail.cth.com.au

THE ROSWELL MUSEUM

This year, the UFO Museum on Main Street will draw an estimated 250,000 or
more visitors to Roswell.  It is fair to say that nothing Roswell officials
could possibly come up with would add more to the local economy than this.
The proposed new museum, to be housed in a huge state-of-the-art facility,
could easily pull a million annual visitors to the area.  Hopefully, city
officials will soon begin to recognize a good thing.

WE NEED HELP IDENTIFYING SMALL HOLES IN PATIENT�S BACKS

Sue F sent the following note:  "I am a Registered Nurse and I have noticed an
interesting phenomena (for lack of a better word) We still give back rubs to
bedridden patients.  I have noticed on numerous occasions a grid of dots
situated in the gluteal fold of many elderly patients, predominantly male,
that resembles this: ... ... ... only the rows of dots are closer together.  I
have questioned them about the dots.  If they have received any inoculations
or vaccinations in this area and all, without fail have stated that they did
not and that they did not know these marks were even there.  I have a strong
interest in ufology, and wonder if this has been found in any abduction cases.
I have personally had several experiences that I cannot explain in this vein."
Thanks to Sue F.!!!

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                    Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:22:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:28:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>From: Rob Irving <RobIrving@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:16:35 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migraines Don't Explain UFOs

>As I am sure you realised immediately after writing that, it
>would of course be impossible to conduct a study of anything
>undiscovered.

Not so. It is simple to study the proportion of UFO cases which
are not discovered at the time to be hoaxes, but which are
discovered years later, just as studies of unreported UFO
sightings are based on the delay before a sighting is reported,
or are based on private and anonymous conversations with people
who have never reported UFOs.

>Because Jerome Clark enjoys citing Marcello Truzzi so much, I
>take great pleasure in pointing you towards Truzzi's 'The
>Sociology and Psychology of Hoaxes, in which he writes:

>'A further fundamental problem with categorizing sources is that
>any generalizations or even speculations about hoaxers must be
>based on a) hoaxes that have been exposed (there are surely
>hoaxers whose fabrications remain undiscovered) and b) those
>cases of known hoaxes where the hoaxer has been identified
>(there are many hoaxes whose perpetrators remain a mystery).'

>Truzzi would appear to be supporting Rimmer on this.

The problem with Truzzi's statement is that he should be saying
"there are many events I (and others) believe to be hoaxes whose
perpetrators remain a mystery, and there are many events which I
intuitively believe are hoaxes based on x,y,z, but which as yet
remain unexposed for whatever reason."

To say "there are surely hoaxers whose fabrications remain
undiscovered" is to leave a lot unsaid.

>Also, you might consider the amount of proven hoaxes that remain
>the subject of general discussion in ufology, as if very much
>alive.

What exactly should I consider about them, and how are they
relevant to the problem of undiscovered or unexposed hoaxes?

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                            Re: Helicopters Today

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:50:32 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:20:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Helicopters Today


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:02:08 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Helicopters Today

>>Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:04:40 -0700
>>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>

>>I'm just curious what you mean by 2 copters flying "in formation".

>>By this, do you simply mean they were in close proximity, and
>>travelling at the same speed in the same direction?


>Larry,

>The lead helicopter was approximately 50 feet to the left of, and
>100 yards ahead of the trailing helicopter. They were traveling in
>the same direction at the same speed, and as far as I could tell
>from underneath, at the same altitude.

>>Unless they were closed, there are

>>1)  Portsmouth Naval shipyard    - and -
>>2 ) Pease AFB a short distance to the NorthWest of Portsmouth.

>>There may well be other facilities.    I found these on the fly.

>>- LH

>Pease is no longer a military base. It has been known for some
>time now as Pease International.

>I don't know what landing facilities for helicopters exist at the
>Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. I suppose it constitutes a base,
>but aren't Naval shipyards used for building new ships for the
>Navy and making repairs? I wouldn't consider it a place to which
>large military helicopters would go.

>Greg


Hi Greg:

That explains everything.

I didn't know that Pease AFB had closed.

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                     Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:25:23 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:02:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs


>Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:29:22 +0100
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
>Subject: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

>Greg, you're father's sighting sound fascinating, and I'm
>certainly not, from several thousand miles away (?) and four
>years afterwards, try to offer any sort of explanation. But I'm
>struck by the same things your dad found curious: the object did
>not reflect the sunlight, and nobody else seemed to see it. This
>sounds like something other than a large, solid constructed
>object, but at this distance I have no idea what - should I?

John,

What my father meant by "did not reflect the sunlight" was that
even though the surface appeared smooth and metallic, it wasn't
shiny. One simply expects a metal object to "glint" somewhere on
it with direct sunlight being applied. I can't explain it.

As far as no one else seeming to notice, the others on the road
may have been thinking the same thing about him. After all, he
didn't pull over either. It wasn't until a little later after
reflection that the strangeness of what he had seen began to set
in. He still has not attempted to categorize it beyond the easy
elimination of known aircraft or natural phenomena. It was a
genuine UFO. How did you arrive at the conclusion that it
"sounds like something other than a large, solid constructed
object" after the description I gave? It wasn't specific enough?
OK...there was a date of manufacture stamped on the
bottom....that better? BTW, debunkers are constantly offering
explanations for sightings from thousands of miles away, many
years after. Why should this be any different? What is it about
a skeptic/debunker that uniquely qualifies him to explain
something he's never seen better than those that have, even if
they're lousy witnesses?

>Let's also be glad that Jerry Clark didn't go into police work.
>No doubt he would be prepared to accept the testimony of
>"individuals with high levels of civic responsibility"

It is my impression that Jerry Clark would dismiss UFO reports
if they occurred rarely, had little in common collectively, and
were only reported by drug addicts. I believe it's the sheer
quantity of very similar (and in some instances identical) cases
that catch his attention as well as the quality of the
witnesses. How many "individuals with high levels of civic
responsibility" must show up with the same story before you
believe it? Is there a number? Frankly, I'd prefer an officer on
the case who believes some people over one who believes none.

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                    Marree Man - Strange Magazine Report

From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:30:57 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:15:36 -0400
Subject: Marree Man - Strange Magazine Report

Strange MagazineTM.

NEWS: SIZE DOES MATTER IN OUTBACK

A Reuters report revealed that the approximately two-mile-long
outline of an Aboriginal person carved outside of remote Marree
in Australia was not, as originally speculated by some media,
created by extraterrestrials. Instead, according to Senior
Constable Paul Liersch's speculations of July 15, 1998, it was
the work of locals who wanted to make a tourist attraction.

Liersch spoke of driving out to the Finniss Springs artifact
after an anonymous fax came by way of the Marree hotel, some 370
miles to Adelaide's north; he mentioned the depiction of the
Aboriginal as being the biggest artwork in the world. Farm
machinery was thought to have been used to carve it from barren
state land. Oddly, a note referring to the Branch Davidian cult,
and a U.S. flag were discovered at the site.--D.C.
(8/6)

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                17th Leeds International UFO Conference [UK]

From: Graham William Birdsall <106151.1150@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 06:56:34 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:26:07 -0400
Subject: 17th Leeds International UFO Conference [UK]


The 17th Leeds International UFO Conference will be held at the
University of Leeds, Northern England, over the weekend of 11 -
13 September.

Staged in the University's splendid Conference Auditorium,
proceedings begin on Friday evening, 11 September, with our
annual presentation of 'Moving Images', depicting some of the
best UFO footage gleaned down the years, plus an advance
screening of segments pertaining to the new TV documentary based
on the Varginha Incident, to be broadcast later in the Autumn.

This is also an opportunity to meet some of our guest speakers
in an informal atmosphere over drinks and light refreshments.

Doors open Friday evening at 5.30pm -  the screenings begin at
6.30pm and we end at 10.00pm.

Admission to 'Moving Images' is just =A35.00 at the door.

It's perhaps mentioning at this point that car parking is free
on all three days and the main car park itself is positioned
right alongside the Conference Auditorium, situated at the top
of Calverley Street, which runs past Leeds Town Hall and the
General Infirmary.

On Saturday, doors open at 9.30am and proceedings begin at
11.00am with a lecture by Nick Redfern, one of Britain's most
accomplished UFO researchers and author of 'Covert Agenda' and
'The FBI UFO Files'. Nick's attention to detail and facts,
supported by hitherto classified UFO documentation gleaned from
home and abroad, has been a revelation.

After lunch, we welcome leading American abduction researcher
Yvonne Smith, who will relate specific cases she has personally
handled and offer an insight into her counselling techniques and
methods. Yvonne's slide presentation is quite something, but she
will also be showing some unique video tape to augment her
lecture.

Following a short break, Britain's Russel Callaghan will
demonstrate how the modern computer has helped unravel several
puzzling mysteries concerning alleged UFO footage & photographs.

Russel will be showing some exclusive footage from Britain &
Australia, and highlighting possible links to objects contained
on the footage, albeit filmed continents apart. He will attempt
to do the same with footage taken recently in Brazil, to that
taken over Hawaii by USAF officials.

Our last speaker is Mexico's Jaime Maussan, who requires little
introduction. This will be Jaime's first major lecture
presentation in Britain, and as a consequence, will undertake to
show as much UFO footage as possible in what will be the first
of his two-part lectures.

Proceedings are set to end at 7.30pm.

Admission for the Saturday is just =A310.00. Concessionary rates
are available, priced at =A37.50, for youngsters under the age of
16; senior citizens; student card holders; the unemployed.

On Sunday, doors open at 9.30am and proceedings begin at 11.00am
with a lecture by Andy Rackham, a  Senior British Air Traffic
Controller at Leeds & Bradford International Airport.

Andy played a key role in helping us to try determine the
origins and make-up of two large and extremely bright low-flying
objects which were seen to travel over Northern England on the
evening of 2 February this year. These objects were filmed in
the process and seen by thousands of eye- witnesses, but failed
to be detected on his airport's radar.

Andy will not only cover the events of that night, but explain
how radar and civil airports in particular, may not be the
automatic solution to such over flights as people imagine.
Interestingly, he will also reveal details about an alleged UFO
crash in the Indian Ocean while he was stationed there.

After lunch, Ananda Sirisena, who hails from Sri Lanka, will
present the latest news and images sent back from Mars Global
Surveyor. Although there has been heated debate ever since NASA
asserted that 'The Face' on Mars was in all likelihood of
natural and not extraterrestrial origin, with few exceptions a
balanced argument as to who may be right, and who may be wrong,
has been sadly lacking.

Ananda's scientific approach looks at both sides of the
equation, and the audience will be all the better informed at
the end of what is always a fascinating and articulate
presentation.

After a short interval, Graham W. Birdsall, editor of Britain's
UFO Magazine, will introduce a variety of topics that will form
a global overview of the UFO situation and related subjects. In
particular, he will focus on NASA's 'Origins' programme and the
threat from space of near-Earth objects.

Finally, the 17th Leeds International Conference comes to a
close with the second of Jaime Maussan's lectures. The very
latest UFO footage will be shown on our giant in-house screen
(complemented by state-of the-art audio/visual technology), and
afford an excellent view of images that have set Mexico alight
in recent months. Jaime will include the new footage taken of
huge formations of objects, often numbering 50 - 100, recorded
by no less than 15 independent eye-witnesses at distances apart.

Proceedings are set to end at 7.30pm.

Admission for the Sunday is just =A310.00. Concessionary rates are
available, priced at =A37.50, for youngsters under the age of 16;
senior citizens; student card holders; the unemployed.

* Those adults wishing to attend both Saturday & Sunday, can do
  so at the discount price of =A315.00.

In keeping with similar events sponsored and organised by UFO
Magazine,
those attending will find:

* Unrestricted viewing throughout the auditorium

* Light Refreshments available throughout proceedings in the
  restaurant

* A no smoking policy within the building

* A range of UFO Merchandise & special weekend offers

* A team of highly professional audio/vidual technicians to
  oversee all lectures

 TO APPLY FOR TICKETS:

Tickets may be ordered in advance (numbered seating on the
Saturday & Sunday) by one of the following methods:

* Our World Wide Web site (Conference Booking Form - Credit Card
  Holders Only) http://www.ufomag.co.uk

* Our 'FREEPHONE' service 0800 068 7281 (UK Credit Card Holders
  Only)

* Credit Card Holders can also dial our general office 01943
  850860 (Overseas dial 44 1943 850860)
  Mon - Fri 9.00am - 5.30pm (24-hour answerphone out of hours)

* Our general FAX number may also be used 01943 850637

You will find information as to how to obtain a free
accommodation guide from Leeds Tourist Office, detailed travel &
route map, timetable and speaker biography's, enclosed with your
tickets.

Should you have any queries, please don't hesitate to contact
our general office.

Thanks for taking the time to study this announcement, and hope
to see you at Leeds.

SENDER:

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                   Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

From: "C. Fort" - [non-subscriber] <clfort@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:10:32 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:39:33 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

[Non-subscriber post-- ebk]

Errol:

I can't believe that this story has got so much attention for a
non-event. I even posted some comments trying to clarify and
explain the incident to the UFO Network BBs that were completely
ignored or taken out of context.

All that was seen was a quickly-moving blue-green light which
disappeared in a shower of sparks or otherwise broke apart and
vanished after only a few seconds. It was seen over a wide area
and there are many witnesses. It's also early August, meaning
the Perseids are building.

In other words, it was certainly a bolide or fireball, as any
novice ufologist could guess. It was irresponsibly hyped by the
UFO Network BBs and then Sightings as a "possible downed UFO".
Even the most cursory look at the report info suggests many
possible explainations other than a saucer getting shot down by
military aircraft. The hype this non-case has received only
serves to show how guillible and uncritical most UFO buffs
really are, and why popular media are having a heyday with this
topic at the expense of serious UFO research.

Pretty sad.





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                 World'S Largest Artwork Is Still A Mystery

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:37 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:46:46 -0400
Subject: World'S Largest Artwork Is Still A Mystery


Toby Clarke & Australian Media,

The attempt to claim that a two and one-half mile long drawing
on the desert floor, which can only be seen from the air, was
done by the town of Marree residents as a tourist attraction or
by an Army Engineers Group passing by the area, is ridiculous.

The village of Marree, which according to "The Australian" or
"The Advertiser" is reported as 380 population and then later as
60 population, has only one pub.

To see an enlarged photo of "Marree Man" which is five times the
size of the largest of the viewed from the air drawings in Peru,
go to:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/abman400.html

Australian media claiming those who investigated the event found
four-wheel-drive tracks, a bottle with a note from Branch
Dividians, and toilet paper, is silly. Finding refuse and tire
tracks on the desert floor proves nothing.

Investigation? By whom? There was no investigation, just
ridicule. In my opinion if this artwork was done by humans, it
would require satellite images, compass triangulations, and
detailed terrain maps. Could it have been drawn by humans?
Certainly. But not with funding from a very small village, or
from any, never identified, Army Engineers Group passing through
the area.

The press reports that aboriginal tribes want the drawing
erased, but local government wants it to remain.

It is amazing that the Australian Media, both print and TV are
not considering this drawing as any mystery. Finding an attitude
of, "Hey, somebody drew it, so what?", is puzzling. Why, I'm
SHOCKED! SHOCKED !!

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                   Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?

From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:32:32 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:00:31 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO 'Downed' In Tracy, California?


>Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:10:32 -0700
>From: "C. Fort" - [non-subscriber] <clfort@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: "Downed UFO" in Tracy, California - NOT!

Of course, we agree with 'C. Fort' that these kinds of reports
can quickly grow to ridiculous proportions.

As a news service, the Sightings website, and responsible lists
like UpDates, present material as quickly as it develops with
full source attribution in every posting. That's all we can do
while awaiting further research and details to come in. We rely
on the reader to consider both content and source in drawing
preliminary conclusions.

In the case of the "Tracy" non-event, the story was updated as
quickly as possible and was initially restricted to clearly
labeled reposts of UFO Network list pieces which were in wide
circulation. The headline on the story as updated yesterday at
Sightings is "UFO Seen As Meteor By Many In SF Area" and leads
with an eyewitness email and the AP story...as well as the final
clarification from the original source: UFO Network.

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                 UFOMIND Page for 'World's Largest Artwork'

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:11:10 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:56:57 -0400
Subject: UFOMIND Page for 'World's Largest Artwork'

Ufomind, probably the most comprehensive webpage site available
to UFO/ET/Paranormal buffs and skeptics, has added a page on the
'Marree Man'.

The 'Marree Man' is a drawing on the south Australian desert
floor, about two and one-half miles long, which can only be seen
from the air.

The announcement of this new page, added to the Ufomind site,
included an article from 'The Daily Telegraph' of 7/18/98,
containing more information than previously dispensed by
Australian media. That media ridiculed the discovery and printed
info from ANONYMOUS faxes, heresay comments, and lists of desert
floor refuse. That article is at:

http://www.newage.com.au/ufo/skyman.html

The UFOMIND page for "Marree Man" is found at:

http://www.ufomind.com/place/au/marree/

This drawing is a genuine mystery, a drawing viewed from the
air, five times larger than the largest of the Nazca, Peru
artifacts viewed from the air. We salute UFOMIND for adding a
page gathering  more info on a very interesting phenomenon.

Doc Barry
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                        French Newstand UFO Magazine

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:15 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:57:43 -0400
Subject: French Newstand UFO Magazine


Seeing what passes for UFO magazines in the US and the UK, I was
pleasantly surprised to receive a new French UFO magazine:
OVNIS: LES PREVUES SCIENTIFIQUES. This is a remarkable
publication in this day in the age of paranormal paranoid
X-Files.

Jean-Jacque Velasco, the head of SEPRA, the French government
UFO project is interviewed. Pilots from the French, Belgian Air
Forces tell of their encounters with UFOs in the air. Also,
civilian airline pilots from Air France, Air Inter and JAL tell
of their aircraft/UFO encounters.

General Wilfried De Brouwer answers questions about the Belgian
triangle wave.

There is a well illustrated article on IFOs and unusual shaped
aircraft that from the AVRO car to the Stealth bomber.

A debate of sorts with Andre Lebeau, J-J Velasco, Francois
Louange, and Jean-Claude Ribes on the scientific significance of
UFOs is featured.

A review of the close encounters at Tananarive, Valensole,
Trans-en-Provence, Nancy, Gretz-Armainvlliers from LDLN and
other sources is presented.

Very visual, but my least favorite part, is the 50th years of
illustrated UFO cases. (It is, however, far better than anything
that we see from American newsstand magazines.

Other topics included are Arnold, Roswell, Area 51, the Condon
report, a summary of the history of the last 50 years of UFO
activity, and other topics.

News stand price is 29 FF. Hopefully the publishers will let us
know the postage costs.

A great effort to put something serious on the news stands.
American, Great Britain, see if you can reach this standard!

I heartily recommend this great commercial effort!

VSD, G. S. Presse Communication,
79-83, rue Baulin, 82309
Levallois-Perret CEDEX, FRANCE

--
Jan Aldrich
Project 1947
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
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                           Expedition To Tian-Shan

From: Nikolay V. Subbotin <Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:52:48 +0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:50:10 -0400
Subject: Expedition To Tian-Shan


The preparation of expedition in Tian-Shan is completed. August
19 we go on a place of accident UFO. If the additional
information is necessary set questions.

___________________________________
MAILLIST RUFORS (C) 1997-98
RUSSIAN UFO RESEARCH STATION
  Nikolay Subbotin (norsa@psu.ru),
  ICQ 7227013
  Director RUFORS (Russian UFO Research Station)
  [http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf]
  Editor Russian UFO Magazine "Dialog: Earth - Space"
  [http://www.cross.ru/dialog]
  PO BOX 6303, Perm, Russia 614010
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                    Citadel in the Rockies and Star Wars

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:27:36 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:04:14 -0400
Subject: Citadel in the Rockies and Star Wars


From Scripps Howard News Service via the Nando Times.

http://www2.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/voices/080798/voices12_26965_noframes.htm=
l


Stig

*******


ANN McFEATTERS: Citadel in the Rockies and Star Wars

Copyright =A91998 Nando.net
Copyright =A91998 Scripps Howard

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN, Colo. (August 7, 1998 09:12 a.m. EDT
http://www.nandotimes.com) -- Hidden cameras photograph the
undersides of vehicles entering this top-secret complex
one-third of a mile inside this beautiful, 100-million-year-old
mountain 7,100 feet above sea level.

Twenty-two thousand visitors a year must go through metal
detectors, surrender cameras and beepers and are watched by
uniformed soldiers with guns. Inside the darkened command
center, where a four-star general sometimes comes to ascertain
if the United States is in danger, banks of virtual reality
computer monitors plot developments around the globe.

Blast doors that can withstand 1.5 million tons of TNT protect
1,250 people, 240 mainframe computers and nearly three miles of
tunnels and 15 buildings, 11 of them three stories high.

Any time an unidentified plane flies into U.S. airspace or
whenever a missile is fired anywhere in the world, crews on duty
here 24 hours a day know it.

But the folks at the Cheyenne Mountain Air Station, men and
women from the U.S. and Canadian military services who run the
operations center for the North American Air Defense Command,
the Air Force Space Command and the U.S. Space Command, are not
satisfied.

The Cold War is over, but they want Star Wars.

As nations such as Iran and Iraq pursue nuclear weapons,
pressure is growing among Republicans in Congress to put Ronald
Reagan's old Strategic Defense Initiative, dubbed "Star Wars" by
the press, on a faster track.

Although $50 billion has been spent over the last 15 years on
the effort to develop a space-based shield against nuclear
missiles, it's still just a concept. There is as yet no way to
protect against incoming ballistic missiles; some scientists
think it's not feasible. Also, it would violate the
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, which holds that the best way to
prevent nuclear war is for nations to remain defenseless against
missiles. Without the treaty, Russia might cancel arms
reductions.

But the possibility of terrorists firing missiles at U.S. cities
has given a new impetus to the Star Wars debate.

Officials at Cheyenne Mountain, who make it clear that they only
assimilate information about missile launches and pass it on to
superiors to decide a U.S. response, are blunt about their
wishes. They'd like to see SDI go forward and they'd like to be
in charge of it.

President Clinton is spending $4 billion a year on missile
defense research but won't decide until 2000 whether to push for
deployment, if possible, of an anti-ballistic missile defense
system by 2003.

Most recently, House Speaker Newt Gingrich has become a big
supporter of spending money to try to develop such a system. He
is supported by conservative groups, including Gary Bauer's
Family Research Council, Frank Gaffney's Center for Security
Policy and the Coalition to Defend America.

NORAD was established in response to the Soviet Union's military
and space advances in the 1940s and '50s. The Cheyenne Mountain
center, which sits on 1,319 springs each weighing 1,000 pounds
to cushion personnel and equipment in event of a bomb blast or
an earthquake, set up shop in 1966 at a cost of $142 million (it
would cost $18 billion today). Its annual budget is $175
million.

The facilities bear resemblance to James Bond movies, although
officials here complain "our No. 1 enemy is Hollywood." They
constantly, wearily insist they can't track UFOs, don't have a
computer named HAL that could start World War III and can't
launch anything or scan the horizon.

The nature of the threat to the United States has changed since
the Cold War ended, but U.S. officials are still nervous about
rogue operators getting control of nuclear missiles in Russia or
terrorists launching missiles at the United States.

On any given day, the Cheyenne Mountain Air Station monitors
8,000 manmade objects floating around in space. They alert
authorities about illegal drug flights. They keep an eye on
nuclear tests. And they keep their fingers crossed that the
politicians will get serious about SDI.

The debate about whether taxpayers want to spend billions of
dollars to try to develop protection against incoming missiles
ought to concern every American. Some experts say such a threat
is at least a decade away. Others say it is immediate.

There are no guarantees. If Americans choose to spend billions
of dollars on research, it could well be a waste of money -- a
giveaway to defense companies.

But if nothing is done to figure out how to counter incoming
missiles, a rogue missile launched against the United States
could not be stopped.

In this citadel devoted to watching the skies, minds have
already been made up.

(Ann McFeatters covers the White House and politics for Scripps
Howard News Serivce. Her e-mail address is
mcfeattersa@shns.com.)


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                Corn Detectives Flock To The Great Who Dunnit

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:33:51 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:11:17 -0400
Subject: Corn Detectives Flock To The Great Who Dunnit

Just published on the website of The Independent (UK)

http://www.independent.co.uk/stories/A0808806.html

Stig

*******

Corn Detectives Flock To The Great Who(and how)Dunnit Of Summer
By Duff Hart-Davis

The fine weather may have sent thousands of holidaymakers rushing to
the coast, but it has also touched off a serious outbreak of
crop-circle fever in the cornfields of Wiltshire and Hampshire.

All day, every day, people are trekking out along the tramlines made by
tractor wheels to inspect formations in standing wheat; at night they
are sitting out on headlands, looking for peculiar lights in the sky.

In every hostelry, rumours of new formations proliferate, and whenever
a car pulls in to the side of a road other motorists draw up behind it
to see what is happening.

One new formation in a wheatfield at Manor Farm, near Lockeridge in
Wiltshire, drew a typical crowd. A complex of interlocking circles
several hundred feet across, the shape appeared during Wednesday night.
By Thursday lunch-time, there were a dozen vehicles parked at the
bottom corner of the field, and a boy holding a makeshift notice in
green ink was exacting =A31 from every visitor.

When I arrived, a woman was sitting near the centre wielding two
L-shaped copper rods. An American seemed impressed rather than annoyed
by the fact that his camera had twice refused to work (malfunctioning
of electrical and mechanical equipment is common inside new
formations).

Andreas Mueller, a researcher from Germany, was taking measurements. On
the question of whether the formation was natural or the work of
fakers, Mr Mueller remained reserved. "In Germany we've had 22
formations so far this year," he said, "and I'm quite sure that three
were man-made, maybe more. In this one, what's surprising is that the
corn is laid in several different directions. It wasn't just that
somebody walked it down, all one way."

Equally cautious was the indefatigable English researcher Lucy Pringle.
"Unless I'm first into a new formation, and see exactly how the crop
has gone over, I find it very difficult to tell whether it's real or
fake," she said. But already this year she has photographed over 50
formations from the air and investigated 15 on the ground.

In her view, the season has been "a terrifically busy one". It began
early, on the night of 19 April, when a double circle appeared in
oilseed rape right under the approach to Thruxton airfield, in
Hampshire. The next manifestation, a couple of days later, also in
oilseed rape, was close to the prehistoric mound of Silbury Hill - a
double ring more than 200ft across, with 33 scroll-like bands between
the rings.

She likens it to a Beltane wheel - an ancient symbol used at Celtic
festivals in May - and points out that, whatever produced it, the hard
stalks of oilseed rape are exceedingly difficult to bend into accurate
and attractive geometrical patterns.

Ms Pringle readily accepts that skilled fakers are at work, but after
10 years' research she remains convinced that many formations are the
product of natural causes, probably the discharge of electro-magnetic
energy. "We know that they appear suddenly, in from four to seven
seconds, and that they can have powerful effects on people, sometimes
beneficial, sometimes harmful."

She is annoyed that in July the BBC set out "to rubbish the whole
phenomenon" by showing how easy it is to produce fakes, and hiring
practised hoaxers to construct a complex of circles on Milk Hill, near
Alton Barnes. "It may look all right on the film," she said. "But as
soon as you went into it on the ground, you could see it was a chaotic
mess."


Crop Circles: The Theories

In order of increasing likelihood, there are three principal theories
to explain crop circles. The first is extraterrestrial visitors; the
second, natural phenomena such as unusual forms of lightning; and the
third is humans armed with some string and a plank or garden roller.

Although the UFO idea has excited onlookers since the first formations
came to wide public notice in Westbury, Wiltshire, in August 1980, it
has never convinced sceptics - generally because any crop circle can be
reproduced by people, given time and patience.

The alternative non-human possibility is strange weather. William
Levengood, a retired biologist from the University of Michigan, reckons
that unstable vortices of ions in the ionosphere descend to the ground
and cause a discharge which heats the corn - swelling the nodes on the
stems (as is sometimes observed) - as it whirls it round and lays it
flat. Nobody has ever observed it, but nature is capable of strange
things.

Another weather theory suggests micro-tornadoes, as a cause but this
does not explain the huge number of circles, nor the fact that their
number has grown and fallen in line with media coverage. The human
theory does.

In 1992, a number of teams admitted creating most of the famous hoax
formations. The process is simple: all you need is some string, a
stick, and something to flatten corn. Instructions are available on the
Internet.


Charles Arthur






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                    C-E: Fairfax, VA UFO Report, August 1

From: Kenny Young <task@FUSE.NET>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:25:36 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:48:53 -0400
Subject: C-E: Fairfax, VA UFO Report, August 1


UFO REPORT Fairfax, Virginia (August 1, 1998)

An email message from Friday, August 7 stated: "Just curious,
but do you know of anyone reporting something in the
NE/Mid-Atlantic this past Saturday, August 1 around 8 pm?"

The writer then went on to add: "I saw the strangest thing while
sitting outside in a swing and looking at the moon."

Stating to have visually observed something "shoot off" of the
moon, the sighter described an object that was a bright but
small object, somewhat long and thin, but maintaining a steady
shape, speed and brightness.

The speed was said to be rapid, but not excessively fast. "It
was going slow enough that if you took your eyes off of it, you
would have no trouble finding it again," informed the witness.

The object followed a curved path down almost to the horizon,
then changed course and streaked very fast straight overhead. It
was much closer when it passed overhead, although still far from
the observer.

The witness resides in Fairfax, Virginia, and was facing north
when viewing the object, which descended to the east and then
streaked west. Fairfax is 22 miles southwest of Washington D.C.

A contact name and phone number was provided for the person
submitting the report. A call placed to this number confirmed
the identity of the person, as an answering machine took the
call. The telephone number given was the reportee's office
number at her place of employment.

Numerous satellite and/or meteor sightings were reported during
this time frame from Australia and also California. The 'course
change' description indicated complicates a satellite/meteor
explanation.

Filed;
August 7, 1998
Kenny Young
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               P-1947: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element

From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:30 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:35:25 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element


Greetings to the List:

Recent postings by Dennis Stacy, Jan Aldrich, and Rod Brock,
serve to underscore the sad fact that ufology is in an awful
state of affairs.

Claims and allegations that once would've rightfully been thrown
into the nearest garbage pail, are now given serious hearing (or
actually believed) by many in this rapidly deteriorating field.
The assault on reason and intellect continues unabated at an
alarming rate.

The gullible and naive seem to be growing in number at an
equally alarming rate. Those spreading the manure seem to have
little difficulty in acquiring an interested and believing
audience, both willing and needing to wallow in it.

Those of us who strive hard to maintain high standards of
serious inquiry and objectivity are being rapidly turned off
(and turned away) by what passes for ufology today. Without
mentioning any individuals or groups, it is most disturbing that
those who should know better, are often the very ones helping to
spread the very manure they claim to oppose.

The need to practice critical thinking in this field would
appear to be in disrepute. Indeed, critical thinking is the
missing element in ufology today!

To save serious UFO research from total oblivion, it may be
necessary for those responsible elements to operate separate and
apart from that which constitutes ufology today.

Regards, Herb Taylor






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             P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:31:25 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:46:32 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element


>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:30 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

> Greetings to the List:

>Recent postings by Dennis Stacy, Jan Aldrich, and Rod Brock,
>serve to underscore the sad fact that ufology is in an awful
>state of affairs.

>Claims and allegations that once would've rightfully been thrown
>into the nearest garbage pail, are now given serious hearing (or
>actually believed) by many in this rapidly deteriorating field.

As I said in my recent posting (which evidently Taylor hasn't
seen), it is desirable to separate "ufology" from the "UFO
scene." At some point, lest we do to ourselves what our critics
habitually do, which is to lump everybody from the soberest
investigator to the wildest-eyed loon into the same cracked pot,
we need to distinguish "ufology" as a worthwhile endeavor based
on investigation and analysis from the "UFO scene," which is
everything else -- i.e., flying saucers meet popular culture,
the marketplace, credulity, religious expectation, ridicule,
dogmatic rejection, or whatever. Every silly or exploitative use
of the concept of UFOs is NOT the fault of ufologists, and only
a masochist would argue otherwise.

It is also necessary to keep things in perspective. Folk beliefs
about anomalous (or any other) phenomena are only to be
expected, and nothing in themselves to get alarmed about. What
is alarming, in my judgment, is that the level of noise is now
so deafening that it threatens to drown out the signal that
ufologists are trying to hear.

>Without mentioning any individuals or groups, it is most
>disturbing that those who should know better, are often the very
>ones helping to spread the very manure they claim to oppose.

>The need to practice critical thinking in this field would
>appear to be in disrepute.

These sorts of claims are so general that it's hard to
understand what's being talked about here. Nobody on this list
would hold "in disrepute" the need for "critical thinking." On
the other hand -- and I can't believe this is Taylor's meaning
-- "critical thinking" does not lead automatically to uniformity
of opinion over contentious issues for which no certain
resolution is in sight. Nor should it.

Jerry Clark






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             P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element

From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@TORINO.ALPCOM.IT>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:14:22 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:49:59 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element


Hello List!

>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:15:30 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Recent postings by Dennis Stacy, Jan Aldrich, and Rod Brock,
>serve to underscore the sad fact that ufology is in an awful
>state of affairs.

>Claims and allegations that once would've rightfully been thrown
>into the nearest garbage pail, are now given serious hearing (or
>actually believed) by many in this rapidly deteriorating field.

etc.

Something I do agree with, 100%.

>Indeed, critical thinking is the missing element in ufology
>today!

>To save serious UFO research from total oblivion, it may be
>necessary for those responsible elements to operate separate and
>apart from that which constitutes ufology today.

On the contrary, we have to go on, to loudly affirm that _we_
are the ufologists, _ours_ is _the_ ufology (meant as the study
of UFO phenomena) and _not_ let the presently prevailing lunatic
fringe dictate what ufology is.

IMHO, I mean.

Regards


Edoardo Russo                             Centro Italiano Studi Ufologici
CISU, Casella postale 82, 10100 Torino - tel 011-3290279 - fax 011-545033
http://www.arpnet.it/ufo          e-mail: edoardo.russo@torino.alpcom.it





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             P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:26:21 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:51:07 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element


>Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:14:22 +0200
>From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@TORINO.ALPCOM.IT>
>Subject: Re: Critical Thinking - The Missing Element
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>>Indeed, critical thinking is the missing element in ufology
>>today!

>>To save serious UFO research from total oblivion, it may be
>>necessary for those responsible elements to operate separate and
>>apart from that which constitutes ufology today.

>On the contrary, we have to go on, to loudly affirm that _we_
>are the ufologists, _ours_ is _the_ ufology (meant as the study
>of UFO phenomena) and _not_ let the presently prevailing lunatic
>fringe dictate what ufology is.

Edoardo,

Well said. I get sick of reading jeremiads which go on and on
accusing ufology of every imaginable moral, intellectual, or
logical crime, even when these excesses are manifestly outside
the power of ufologists to control. It is also crucial, as you
and I both believe, to keep in mind that ufology is a good
thing, more worthy to be respected than to be reviled. It is
what we who try to bring some intellectual discipline to UFO
study do.

Ufology is an honorable enterprise, and those who abuse it do
not deserve to be called ufologists. Our quarrel is not with
ufology but the larger, nebulous "UFO scene" where anything,
however crazy or crooked, goes -- or, as Rod Brock puts it, the
benefit of the doubt is always given.

Jerry Clark





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                 Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage

From: Diane Harrison <ufoicq@fan.net.au>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:39:07 +1000
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:41:00 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage



>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:42:31 +0200
>Subject: UFO Crash In Australis (Press Coverage)

>From: The Sydney Morning Herald

>http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9808/05/text/national1.html
>
>Stig

>*******

>Whatever it was, the 6.13 from outer space is a flier

>Date: 05/08/98

>By JOHN HUXLEY

>It sounded, as a perplexed police spokeswoman later admitted, like
>something straight from the pages of The X-Files. Soon after 6am
>yesterday, Ron Arscott, a Berowra newsagent, was delivering papers
>along The Gully Road when the windscreen of his car was suddenly filled
>with a white light ... an impossibly bright, extraterrestrial light.

>"This thing was flaming, falling fast, perpendicular to the horizon,"
>he said. "I tell you, I got the fright of my life. For one moment, I
>thought, "I have been chosen'."

>Spooky. But Mr Arscott, a sensible man accustomed to seeing shooting
>stars ("and this wasn't one of them"), was not alone.

>From as far north as the Sunshine Coast, as far south as the Royal
>National Park, early risers telephoned police stations, emergency
>services and radio switchboards with similar stories.


Hi everyone.

Could someone enlightened All us UFO Researchers here in Aussie
"WHAT UFO CRASH" are you talking about.

Our list off 47 Australian Researchers would like to know more
and so would you I.

Fill us in please with more details (Waiting to hear)

Regards Diane

UFO Investigation Center Queensland Australia

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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #262

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:04:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:30:38 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #262

Apology to MW #262 (For August 8, 1998)

Here's _another_ hurdle keeps the saucer folks away. And look
into your HEART before you turn your eyes -- say nay! It's the
bible waving Christian that has nothing good to say. Those that
get all wet eyed, Ollie North like, when they pray, but do their
brothers dirty on a common business day. Those that sing so
sweetly, from their shining crystal pulpits, while the tired and
betrayed are made to pay, wallow in the excess that they've
stolen from the faithful, those who _buy_ into the shallow and
exclusionary play. . .

All the while whining that their persecution's real! They say
it's them that's hounded as they spew the crap they squeal. This
is just a tactic to confuse the way you feel, so their program
can continue -- they can lie and cheat and steal. That's the way
it's always been -- the way they wrote the deal. It makes you
docile and unthreatening -- it makes you glad to bow and kneel.
It makes one abdicate to ignorance, and assume its Christian
seal.

Christians sermonize on UFO's -- conclusions always negative.
They are piloted by demons, and this is more than simply
speculative. Believers should be _stoned_ in Christ, Pat
Robertson's initiative. This they quote from bibles writ
restrictive and prohibitive. What am I supposed to think?  Their
approach's less than sensitive.

The total *mood* and *flavor* is so back woods and inbred. Are
we upwind, green teethed cowards; is imagination dead? The
wheel's uninvented, and we drag our stuff on sleds? We should
look into the light but we'll prefer the dark instead.

We'd be completely in their clutches, but they blew it with
their graft. Humanism flowered 'cause it made for better craft.
Left to churlish Christians we'd be sitting in a draft;
starving, soiled, and miserable, we'd be cold and wet and daft.

Make the same investment! Take your eyes down from the sky!
Follow their example, and ignore what swoops and flies! Do the
same as they do and you'll wither down and die like you never
had an intellect, or the stones to ask them why!

It's them helps hide the saucers -- and they do it with a smirk.
Monumental cowards, they're such feeble sneaks and jerks.
Performing absolutions that they know can never work -- but they
do it with intensity, busy, bright-eyed -- undeterred!

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

The worst work with passionate intensity while the best have
lost all conviction, to paraphrase Yeats. I regret having to
quote an elitist, but there you have it.

Visit the bottom of the AM dial and treat yourself to some of
the most mindless, effusive, and unreasonable expressions of
hatred imaginable. Additionally, ask what Jesus thinks of an
extraterrestrial hypothesis. They'll answer like they know, but
they'll say it in "tongues," then criticize a lack of  *faith*
for not *buying in* to their shallow, corrosive, and
unintelligible explanation, completely.

I know an educated woman as smart and as talented as can walk
around unaided <g>. She has long been a practitioner of that for
which she "testifies." She is a card carrying Christian,
serious, that is to say not _completely_ arbitrary, or
convenient. She has a sweetness, an even disposition and has
raised, as far as they go <g>, wonderful children. But watch
that sweet countenance twist and snarl into a vicious spitting
mask when her dogma is even gently questioned (that gay people
should be treated as human beings, or that creationism is an
intellectual embarrassment, for example) and then wonder, good
friend and fellow mote, who the devil really is!

I watched a guy make kids cry for eating ice-cream before giving
thanks to baby Jesus. Now, what's _that_ all about?

It's NOT the mistakes _made_ that matters so much, it's the
mistakes _not copped to_ that are the problem. That's why we
reap what we sew, it _matters_ who did what to who, first, and
all our problems are our own damn fault.

Restore John Ford!


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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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                       Guest speaker on undernet #ufo

From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:10:18 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:36:09 -0400
Subject: Guest speaker on undernet #ufo


The ops of the Undernet channels #UFO-OPS, #UFO, #UFO/ESP,
#MYSTERIOUS_UNUVERSE and Chatnet #UFO cordially invite you to
meet Michael Unum this Sunday August 9th at 1:30 pm CST.

The meeting will be in moderated format in  Undernet channel
#UFO-OPS with unmoderated discussion in each of the other listed
channels.

****************************************************************



Michael Unum, author and researcher of The UFO Technology
Hackers Manual was born Michael McDonnough.  "I have been
researching advanced drive system concepts for 15 years. I
started in the library as a child reading every book on the
subject I could find. I have lived all over the country, and
spent countless hours in university, and public libraries
looking for some clue to the method of operation of these
strange and wonderful craft that I have seen on several
occasions.  Finally in Dallas TX. I found the U.S. Patent
depository and sat down and went through that data base with a
fine tooth comb as it were. The patents described and shown in
my book explained to me that we do indeed have the ability to go
into space with efficient and fast drive systems that rival the
best science fiction. I haven't been able to think of anything
else since this discovery. I invite you to remove any blinders
you might be wearing and take a good open minded look at my
research. If it's over your head let someone know who you think
might be able to use this information. One day soon we may all
have access to space. Not just the military and the elitist
super rich. I feel it's nessessary to point out that I used the
name Michael Unum at first because I beleived that it was a
statement and not a name.  Now I am aware of the fact that there
is a real person called Michael Unum. With all respect to him
and his very unique name I will not use it in future Radio
Shows. My apoligies to Mr. Unum I certainly ment no disrespect.
I used that name to make a statement. That I am one man but
there are many like me that are waking up and taking notice of
the situation at hand."

In the UFO Technology Hackers Manual, Michael Unum has
demonstrated that we do indeed have the technological
advancement to go into space with field dependent drive systems
that are clean, efficient, and fast.  By fast where talking
about 29,900kps. with up to 1,440,000lbs. of thrust available
using power systems and superconductors that exist right now.
All we have to do is exploit the systems described in his book
and in the disclosed patents to be on par with other
advanced space farring worlds. The fact is you will not look at
spacecraft development in the same way after reading his book.
He leaves little doubt that our government has, and is
developing these types of systems in secret, up till now at
least.  After reading this book you may be wondering how we
could have been so deceived so completely for so many years.
After reading the patents and the author's investigative
reasoning you will know more about how human engineered UFO's
might operate than you may have ever expected possible without
very high level security clearance.

You may, or may not believe in outer space alien craft but at
least after reading this book you will understand the technology
and the probable reasoning behind the cover-up of mankind's
venture into the technical area of Field Drive Spacecraft
Systems.  Michael Unum's work leans heavily on the facts he
draws his conclusions from these truths. If you ever wondered
about secret black budget projects that our government is doing
this book is for you.  You don't have to have an engineering
degree in high potential electromagnetic to benefit from
Michael's book, it's written in an unassuming style.

Anyone with an interest in spacecraft development will benefit
from reading this book. I have never seen more information on
Advanced Space Drive systems than you will find in this work.
It's sure to become one of the defining books on the subject. In
only 208 pages of explanations and patents you will be brought
up to speed on what we should expect to receive from our tax
dollars in the area of Space Drive development.

Soon there will be a new Space Race, a race to make it
affordable to the consumer. We have a safe, and fast mode of
travel to go out into our local universe, and explore the new
frontier for ourselves.  All we have to do is license the
development of these systems in the private sector to get the
cost                  down on all future defense aerospace
appropriations. The author's conclusion is that we were never
supposed to gain from all this development just to pay for it
and remain ignorant servants to an inefficient and dangerously
antiquated system that we have propped up for far to long. This
book is not a rehash of information covered in other books.

Most of the information disclosed within has never appeared in
book form before this writing however, if you have read, How To
Build A Flying Saucer And Other Projects In Speculative
Engineering (by T.B. Pawliki),this book starts where that author
ends his, at the Solid State UFO.

Michael Unum said, "I will bring you up to speed on the state of
the art in space craft drive potential. All information is
compiled from publicly available government documents.  Within
the unknown and the unexplained, lie the parameters for a new
paradigm. As scientist, inventors, and hackers, we must go forth
bravely into this new territory. If we were to turn away, to
return to our comfortable ignorance, we may never do what we all
dream.To advance science, technology, and human discovery to the
next level.  The reason for my writing this book is to bring, to
the attention of the general public:                 information
about space drive capabilities that human technology can
accomplish and are way beyond what we are being told about in
our schools, our media, and even our scientific community. These
technologies must be known to the general public so that they
will have the knowledge to DEMAND ACCESS to these capabilities.
Soon, all mankind can go forth into Space and explore the New
Frontier for ourselves.  These freedoms are being denied us by
reinforcing our ignorance and misleading us with rehashed old
technology that is too expensive, dangerous, and technically
complicated to be used by common folks like you and I."

For more information and links to radio interviews, check out
the following web site:

http://www.holman.net/ufo/ufotechnology/Hacker_s_Manual/hacker_s_manual.html





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From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:31:36 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:58:55 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: Critical thinking - the missing element


>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:31:25 PDT
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
>Subject: Re: Critical thinking - the missing element
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM


Regarding Herb Taylors "complaint" and Jerry Clark's response, I
would like to point out that lack of "critical thinking" by the
media is a biggy problem... perhaps the biggest. The in general
and TV UFO documentaries in particular suffer from the EMAR
syndrom.... What is EMAR, you ask? Happy to tell you.

Entertainment Masquerading As Research!

(I hate it! And yet, if I want to "get the word out",
entertainment is what pays the $$$$$.) (Life is _full_ of
compromises!)






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                   Patriarch Warns Against Seeking Contact

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 06:28:27 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 13:55:58 -0400
Subject: Patriarch Warns Against Seeking Contact


From Moscow Magazine via Russia Today's religious message board.

http://www.russiatoday.com/.chat/rooms/religboard/175.html


Stig


*******


Patriarch addresses church's role in contemprary issues


Posted by Sibersky Husky on July 02, 1998 at 10:44:05:



Exclusive Interview With Patriarch Alexis II


by Larisa Rumarchuk

Moscow Magazine, 30 June 1998


<snip>

--As we know, religion and science are by no means mutually
exclusive. But scientists indulge in thought about the existence
of other worlds and other civilizations. How does the Orthodox
church view these hypotheses?

--It seems that the person who is seeking contacts with
so-called UFO's should ask himself the question: what are the
moral consequences of these searches? Why should one hope that
the spiritual and material problems of contemporary humanity can
be solved by some "emissaries from the cosmos"? What are the
spiritual consequences of communion with forces whose nature and
origin are extremely dubious? The church's consciousness clearly
sees that in this area we must manifest extreme caution. The
Apostle John warns: "Do not believe every spirit, but test the
spirits, whether they are from God, because many false prophets
have appeared in the world" (1 Jn 4.1). Sacred scripture,
pointing to the worth of the human soul, stresses that it is
unrepeatable and unique. In Orthodoxy the human personality is
viewed as a God-given reality that is called to a spiritual
transformation into Christ. In this context the role of the
church in the economy of our salvation is recognized. The church
building is the house of God and also the highest image of the
harmony of the entire cosmos, recalling the original Paradise
and the coming Kingdom of Heaven. Christianity recognizes that
at the base of creation lies the supreme law established by God
to which the world and humanity are subject. In this world order
there is a center--God himself, and there is an invisible
spiritual world, but so far as we know from God's revelation in
all of the great varieties of his living creatures only humanity
has been given the right to rule the earth and all that is in it
and to bear undivided responsibility before God for this home.

I suggest that scientists should pay heed to this testimony of
the Bible and the more so when the topic is hypotheses, many of
which have been disproved by the Book of Books and church
tradition. The moral meaning of any hypothesis must never be
overlooked. One of the last elders of Optino, Saint Nektary,
said that vital success can come to a person who is studying the
various sciences when his science is not a hinderance to his
moral and spiritual life, but the spiritual life is not a
restriction on the study of science. (tr. by PDS)





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               New Letter From Jerry Black to Whitley Strieber

From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 01:14:59 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:02:26 -0400
Subject: New Letter From Jerry Black to Whitley Strieber

Hello Errol:

Jerry Black has dictated another letter to Whitley Strieber,
regarding Mr. Strieber's response to Mr. Black's initial open
letter to him.

The original text of that letter, which appears at:

http://members.xoom.com/ufobarb/jb05.html

is reproduced below for Mr. Strieber and the rest of the list:




           Another Open Message To Whitley Strieber
                        by Jerry Black
                          August 1998


I would like to respond, Mr. Whitley Strieber, to information
you have put on the internet about me in letters dated July 9
and July 14, which were in response to my original 'Open Letter'
to you (July, 1998).

Your two letters were filled with errors and a great deal of
dramatization.

In your letter dated July 9, in your first paragraph, you refer
to a UFO video taken by a young couple near Gulf Breeze on or
about February 10, and you allege that I had said this video is
a hoax. You had better recheck my letter, because there is no
place in my three page letter to you that I stated or implied in
any way that this video was a hoax. I have no concern or
interest in investigating this particular video.

Further, in your letter of July 9, you give information about
your polygraph tests and stressed that I could have easily found
this in your first two books, Communion and Transformation. I am
fully aware of this, and had this information before I wrote
you, but I wanted your personal opinion about these tests some
11 or 12 years later, so I could know exactly where you stand,
and if you consider these tests valid tests or not. Obviously,
you do consider them valid tests, to which I disagree for the
reasons I stated in my original letter.

Regarding your second reply posted on your website, you state in
your first paragraph that I have been demanding - among other
things - to see documentation regarding the lie detector test. I
again advise everyone to please recheck my first letter. Those
that do so will see that I have never demanded, in that three
page letter, anything from you. I have requested information
about your polygraph tests, but did not demand, as you imply,
anything from you. I simply requested documentation from you
about your polygraph tests.

You state in the second paragraph that the gentleman who
administered your two polygraph tests were Nat Laurenvi.
However, I noted in one of your books that the gentleman's first
name is Ned. I am not sure which is the correct name for this
person.

Next, I refer to your paragraph where you state: "Because Mr.
Black never wrote me at my extensively published address to
inquire about my tests, I was never given the chance to send him
this video." I believe this video is purported to show a
reporter from the program Contact, telling us that you have
passed a PSE test which was given during an interview that you
were featured in. Obviously, knowing for sure from your written
reply to me, that all of these tests were, in a sense,
self-sponsored, I am no longer concerned about looking at these
tests or taking the results to another polygraph expert to be
analyzed.

You paid for the two polygraph tests, as you stated quite
honestly. These are to be considered 'self-sponsored tests' and
are not valid.

The two PSE tests given by television networks are also not
valid, because the gentlemen administering the tests had a
financial interest in the outcome of the tests. Most UFOlogists
are quite aware that network TV is not concerned with whether
your story is true or not; they are only concerned with having
good ratings. To have you on their show would be an increase in
their ratings, so to say that they took an objective test
certainly is not a true statement. They have a vested interest
in your passing of these tests, and thus cannot be considered
impartial, objective third parties.

Further down in your letter, Mr. Whitley Strieber, you say that
I 'cast doubt' on the claims of Ed Walters' case. I do not cast
doubt... that story has been conclusively proven by the evidence
and the photographic analysis to be a hoax. Period. If you
choose to believe friends of yours like Bruce Maccabbee, Budd
Hopkins or Walt Andrus, who were merely Ed Walters' "rubber
stamp" during the Gulf Breeze investigation, that is your
prerogative.

Strangely enough, Bruce Maccabbee and Walt Andrus can't even
keep their own troops in line, for I know of at least three or
possibly four MUFON Board of Directors who believe that the case
is definitely a hoax.

Also, Dennis Stacy, editor of the MUFON Journal for many years
(who recently left to go on to another job) has also said on the
internet that the Ed Walters photographs are a hoax.

You also state that I have no documentation or research
regarding the Gulf Breeze sightings. Wrong again, Mr. Strieber.

I have spent four and one-half years working with three other
investigators, Mr. Rex Salisberry, Barbara Becker, and Zan
Overall, in the re-investigation of Ed Walters' case.  So don't
try to imply that I have no involvement in the Ed Walters' case.
Mr. Rex Salisberry laid the groundwork with the interviews, and
by the time I became involved in late 1990, Mr. Ed Walters was
not speaking to anyone connected with Rex Salisberry; for Mr.
Salisberry had found information leading him to believe there
were serious problems with the Gulf Breeze case. There was no
need for me to go to Gulf Breeze personally when Rex Salisberry
was the investigator who conducted the interviews with different
people in Gulf Breeze.

I contacted and talked with almost everyone else involved in the
Gulf Breeze sightings except for Mr. Ed Walters himself, who
would not, I'm sure, accept my calls, because he would not
accept my mail.

Finally, you state in your first paragraph: "Mr. Black has been
circulating a letter on the internet demanding, among other
things, to see documentation regarding the lie detector tests."
However, you state toward the end of your letter that "Mr. Black
did not ask me for documentation about my lie detector tests,
nor was he aware that such documentation had been published."

I suggest you make up your mind, did I ask you, or did I not ask
you?

Mr. Strieber, you have asked who I am. I have been
scientifically and objectively investigating UFOs for over 40
years. I would ask that you refer to the book Fire In The Sky by
Travis Walton, and read Chapter 11 for the time being.

Because of your recent comments, Mr. Strieber, I have decided to
conduct more in-depth research of your books and videotapes,
previous programs you have appeared on, and any comments that
you will make in the future, plus any comments you have/will
make on the Art Bell show. I intend to put the findings of my
research on the internet, and will mail you a copy within 60 to
90 days. This report will be very extensive.

Having taken a preliminary look at the information concerning
your case, I can tell you this: I have certain problems with
information that you consider proof of your experiences.

I noticed your announcement concerning your special this fall on
one of the major networks concerning your experiences or alleged
implant. If your experiences are truly real, then I am happy for
you. However, it should be noted that just because a network
wants to do a story on your experiences, this does not mean your
experiences are real. As I've said before, networks are only
interested in ratings, not true experiences. The recent Autopsy
video is a good case in point. FOX Network paid thousands of
dollars for the first rights for showing of this autopsy video,
and as most researchers, and I, will agree, the authenticity of
this video was never proven.

In the meantime, it would certainly bring more respectability to
your encounters if you would stop trying to prove your story
with self- sponsored polygraph tests and other people's
encounters, as you have attempted in your latest book
Confirmation. As the intelligent and educated person that I know
you are, this does not enhance your credibility.

Regards,

Jerry Black

JB/ky

                        A Note About Jerry Black

 Mr. Jerry Black has been researching and investigating UFOs in
a scientific and objective manner for the past 39 years. He
spent four and a half years re-investigating the Ed Walters/Gulf
Breeze case, with experienced investigators Rex Salisberry,
Barbara Becker, and Zan Overall. Mr. Black invites your comments
on the above. He can be reached at the following address and
phone number:

                                 Jerry Black
                               6276 Taylor Pike
                            Blanchester, Ohio 45107
                                (513) 625-2613

NOTE: Permission is granted by the author to reproduce this article in
its entirety, in electronic form. Please contact the author for
permission to reproduce segments only.








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                          Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:13:03 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:24:13 -0400
Subject: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:01:51 EDT
>Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:15:16 -0400
>Subject: Re: Meier Pictures

>According to Meier and those dumb enough to _still_ believe in
>him, Meier has a small pond surrounded by various one arm made
>(Meier made) "crystals" of various bright colors. These
>crystals, according to Meier's people at his cult, are aligned
>and tuned into the right vibrational frequencies so as to
>protect Meier from harm, danger and people with bad intentions,
>such as those that want to expose the truth about him, etc.

<snip>

>But back to the Pleiadian Physics. Meier is protected by this
>crystal garden and therefore all bullets are going to miss him
>and go astray and befuddle even the best of the dreaded
>assassins.

Hi List,

When I asked a member of Meier's group whether this was true, he
answered that the water pond Korff is discussing here has no
esoteric meaning at all and that Korff's Pleidian Physics story
is fantasy.

Nevertheless, thanks to Kal Korff, for bringing this particular
false claim in his book _Spaceships of the Pleiades: the Billy
Meier story_ (pp. 90-91) to my attention, it has been added to
the online overview of errors, distortions and other sorts of
disinformation which can be found in the previously mentioned
book. The overview can be found at the following URLs:

http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/start1.htm

http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/starta.htm
(this is the version without JavaScript; for older browsers).

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                     Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:08:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:27:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:25:23 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

>>Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:29:22 +0100
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>From: John Rimmer <j_rimmer@library.croydon.gov.uk>
>>Subject: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs

>>Greg, you're father's sighting sound fascinating, and I'm
>>certainly not, from several thousand miles away (?) and four
>>years afterwards, try to offer any sort of explanation. But I'm
>>struck by the same things your dad found curious: the object did
>>not reflect the sunlight, and nobody else seemed to see it. This
>>sounds like something other than a large, solid constructed
>>object, but at this distance I have no idea what - should I?

>John,

>What my father meant by "did not reflect the sunlight" was that
>even though the surface appeared smooth and metallic, it wasn't
>shiny. One simply expects a metal object to "glint" somewhere on
>it with direct sunlight being applied. I can't explain it.

I saw what appeared to be a totally black object pass through
the blue sky once over Baltimore. I wrote an article about it
which was published in MUFON and CUFOS journals about a "black
hole."

It's angular size was small, comparable to black birds I could
see flying around but I could see the wings on the birds. This
object was overall slighly elliptical and it appeared to have a
"wave" or distortion moving around its edge.

The thing that struck me while  was watching was th extreme
blackness. Although I was facing east and the sun was low in the
west, and this was traveling roughly northward, I could see no
hint of brightness variation across the surface of the object.

I figured that even a black balloon would reflect enough
sunlight under these conditions to create a glint of light. But
there was nothing.... a black hole! It traveled at a steady but
not rapid speed and then changed direction more toward the east
and passed behind a tall building, so I had an idea of how far
away it was. It wouldn't have been very big, probably less than
10 ft in size.

I have read of other sightings of objects that appeared to
be totally black (seen during daylight).






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                  Russian UFO Expedition Set for Tian-Shan

From: Nikolay V. Subbotin - RUFORS <Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:00:27 +0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:20:14 -0400
Subject: Russian UFO Expedition Set for Tian-Shan

The preparation of an expedition for the site of the crash of
a UFO in Tian-Shan is finished. The group consists of four
researchers.

We start from Moscow on August 19.

The UFO crashed in September, 1991.

It is the ship of length 600 meters and diameter of 100 meters.

Is in mountains at height of 4200 meters.

If the details of this expedition are interesting to you I can
send more detailed data.

Questions until August 16 as I too I leave with expedition.

___________________________________
MAILLIST RUFORS (C) 1997-98
RUSSIAN UFO RESEARCH STATION
  Nikolay Subbotin (norsa@psu.ru),
  ICQ 7227013
  Director RUFORS (Russian UFO Research Station)
  [http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf]
  Editor Russian UFO Magazine "Dialog: Earth - Space"
  [http://www.cross.ru/dialog]
  PO BOX 6303, Perm, Russia 614010
  Tel/fax 7-3422-450184






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                      Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine

From: Bruno Mancusi <Bruno.Mancusi@com.mcnet.ch>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:47:08 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:00:17 -0400
Subject: Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine


> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:15 -0700
> From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: French newstand UFO magazine

> Seeing what passes for UFO magazines in the US and the UK, I was
> pleasantly surprised to receive a new French UFO magazine:
> OVNIS: LES PREVUES SCIENTIFIQUES. This is a remarkable
> publication in this day in the age of paranormal paranoid
> X-Files.

It's surprising that no French list member has reacted to your
post.

"VSD" (= Vendredi-Samedi-Dimanche, Friday-Saturday-Sunday) is a
weekly newsmagazine like "Time" or "Newsweek". It's NOT a UFO
magazine. They published an article about the Sturrock panel in
their issue #1091, 23 July 1998, and a special issue which was
the subject of your mail.

To my knowledge, they have no intention to begin a UFO journal.

Another French weekly magazine, "L'Evenement du Jeudi" #717,
30 July 1998, published an article on extraterrestrial life and
another on the Sturrock panel (this last one by Pierre
Lagrange).

Regards
Bruno






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                 Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:44:38 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:47:53 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage


>From: Diane Harrison <ufoicq@fan.net.au>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFO Crash In Australia - Press Coverage
>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:39:07 +1000

>>From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:42:31 +0200
>>Subject: UFO Crash In Australis (Press Coverage)

>>From: The Sydney Morning Herald

>>http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9808/05/text/national1.html

>>Stig

>>*******

>>Whatever it was, the 6.13 from outer space is a flier

>>Date: 05/08/98
>
>>By JOHN HUXLEY

>>It sounded, as a perplexed police spokeswoman later admitted, like
>>something straight from the pages of The X-Files. Soon after 6am
>>yesterday, Ron Arscott, a Berowra newsagent, was delivering papers
>>along The Gully Road when the windscreen of his car was suddenly filled
>>with a white light ... an impossibly bright, extraterrestrial light.

>>"This thing was flaming, falling fast, perpendicular to the horizon,"
>>he said. "I tell you, I got the fright of my life. For one moment, I
>>thought, "I have been chosen'."

>>Spooky. But Mr Arscott, a sensible man accustomed to seeing shooting
>>stars ("and this wasn't one of them"), was not alone.

>>From as far north as the Sunshine Coast, as far south as the Royal
>>National Park, early risers telephoned police stations, emergency
>>services and radio switchboards with similar stories.


>Hi everyone.

>Could someone enlightened All us UFO Researchers here in Aussie
>"WHAT UFO CRASH" are you talking about.

>Our list off 47 Australian Researchers would like to know more
>and so would you I.

>Fill us in please with more details (Waiting to hear)

>Regards Diane

>UFO Investigation Center Queensland Australia

>----------

UFO is short for Unidentified Flying Object, as I guess you'll
know. Identified it might be a meteor, a planet, a flying
saucer, or who knows what. I didn't give any interpretation, but
took the liberty of posting a news story. That's all.

Stig






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             Re: P-1947: Critical thinking - the missing element

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:20:54 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:36:11 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: Critical thinking - the missing element


>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 00:31:36 -0400
>From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Disparagine UFOlogy
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:31:25 PDT
>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@FRONTIERNET.NET>
>>Subject: Re: Critical thinking - the missing element
>>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Regarding Herb Taylors "complaint" and Jerry Clark's response, I
>would like to point out that lack of "critical thinking" by the
>media is a biggy problem... perhaps the biggest. The in general
>and TV UFO documentaries in particular suffer from the EMAR
>syndrom.... What is EMAR, you ask? Happy to tell you.

>Entertainment Masquerading As Research!

>(I hate it! And yet, if I want to "get the word out",
>entertainment is what pays the $$$$$.) (Life is _full_ of
>compromises!)

Bruce,

IMHO, EMAR & TV & MEDIA & INFO & BS, but not IMHO, fit in the
same bag.

UFOs in the media should not be singled out as a problem. The
whole information system has always been based on $$$ and
entertainment. It is doubtful that mainstream information in
general has ever been anything else.

By yesterday's standards the "informative content" of
information may be getting slimmer. Not really: it is just the
same BS dressed in a cheaper suit. History and historians prove
that. We know more about the Borgias today then any of the
common citizen knew at the time. We know more about the
Kennedy's today than all the Kronkites of the world at the time
dared to say. What will we learn of today's reality in 20 years?

Not to say that historians get the final word, but they do give
us a lesson on the reality of information.

But all is not lost. The Internet, as we know it, is not even 3
years old. It has succeeded in putting the information in the
hands of the average citizen. Of course, this has brought more
manure to the BS mill, but, ahah! I would say, the
democratization has allowed many people to see many things
before the scissors get to work. It is totally out of control.

I guess we should all sit back and enjoy this ride while it
lasts.

Mainstream information is and has always been a matter of
dollars and nonsense. In fact, you can read this on the all
epitaphs of the ones who have tried to really inform people:

        "I never made (big) money".

Sometimes I go dzit and start to think that it might be more
than that. No, worse: this whole mainstream info thing might be
freaking deliberate. But... na... forget about it.

Best,

Serge Salvaille







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                      Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine

From: Alex Franz - ALCIONE <alcione@mail.serve.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:11:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:46:16 -0400
Subject: Re: French Newstand UFO Magazine


Hi!

>Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:47:08 +0200
>From: Bruno Mancusi <Bruno.Mancusi@com.mcnet.ch>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: French Newstand UFO Magazine

>>Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 17:15:15 -0700
>>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@cyberzone.net>
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: French newstand UFO magazine

>>Seeing what passes for UFO magazines in the US and the UK, I was
>>pleasantly surprised to receive a new French UFO magazine:
>>OVNIS: LES PREVUES SCIENTIFIQUES. This is a remarkable
>>publication in this day in the age of paranormal paranoid
>>X-Files.

>It's surprising that no French list member has reacted to your
>post.

>"VSD" (=3D Vendredi-Samedi-Dimanche, Friday-Saturday-Sunday) is a
>weekly newsmagazine like "Time" or "Newsweek". It's NOT a UFO
>magazine. They published an article about the Sturrock panel in
>their issue #1091, 23 July 1998, and a special issue which was
>the subject of your mail.

>To my knowledge, they have no intention to begin a UFO journal.

>Another French weekly magazine, "L'Evenement du Jeudi" #717,
>30 July 1998, published an article on extraterrestrial life and
>another on the Sturrock panel (this last one by Pierre
>Lagrange).

>Regards
>Bruno


Well I am not French I am Mexican, I bought last week the VSD
"Hors Serie" magazinne in Paris, you are right Bruno this
magazine covers different topics every week. Thus this is far
from been a better UFO publication than others in the U.S.A.
There are many more publications arround the world with high
quality content and importance.

Jan Aldrich is also wrong in the information regarding the VSD
Magazine address if somebody wants to write them.

-----
Jan Aldrich wrote:

>I heartily recommend this great commercial effort!

>VSD, G. S. Presse Communication,
>79-83, rue Baulin, 82309
>Levallois-Perret CEDEX, FRANCE
---------------------------------

The correct address is:

Hors Serie VSD Magazine
=E9dit=E9 par G:S. Presse Communication 79-83
rue Baudin, 92 309
Levallois-Perret CEDEX, FRANCE
T=E9l: 01 55210050
General Director: Daniel Denis
------------------------------------

Also the Magazine title is not LES PREVUES SCIENTIFIQUES it must
say LES PREUVES SCIENTIFIQUES. That means "The Scientific
Proves" Not PREVUES

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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:51:50 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 19:31:59 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:33:17 -0500
>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>Subject: J. Bond Johnson
>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Back on June 15th there was an Updates post which had been sent
by Francis Ridge to Current-Encounters at AOL.

The subject was the Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson written by
R. J. Durant.

Regardless of what anyone thinks the debris photos taken by JBJ
do and do not show, JBJ is serious about taking another look at
them. This is _no_joke_ to him!

Knowing this, I was bothered by R. Durant's article claiming
this was all one big joke being played by "the truly creative
ufological jokester" and "humorist, J. Bond Johnson."

Subsequent to R. Durant's article, I found out R. Durant has
NEVER had ANY CONTACT with JBJ WHATSOEVER. This causes me to ask
why he wrote this article. In as much as he has never
communicated with JBJ on what basis does he make the allegation
this is one big practical joke on JBJ's part? Do we not enough
debunkers who'll say anything to discredit all of Roswell, even
though what they're saying is out and out fabrications?

Mr. Durant makes numerous statements, which from the information
I have, are blatantly false and misleading. For what purpose?

Rather than copying Durant's original long article here, or
quoting from it I'll briefly paraphrase the false claims and
statements he made. Mr. Durant needs to substantiate these with
proof, or admit they were not based on anything factual and pure
conjecture on his part.

Check the Updates archives, or send me an e-mail for Durant's
full article.

Mr. Durant should substantiate his basis for the following
statements:

1. This is all a big joke by "humorist" J. Bond Johnson.

2. He's pushing 80 and is senile.

3. He's worried the world has forgotten him.

4. He's lost his companions of yesteryear who share his mirth.

5. He's seeking another audience for his wit.

6. He first teamed up with another jokester, William Moore.

7. Teamed up, for years he and Moore have proclaimed the photos
   showed the real debris.

8. Even JBJ once conceded the photos only show radar debris.

9. Now he's back, pulling legs. He composed a press release as
   if it were written by some neutral reporter, claiming the
   photos show real debris, thus springing his latest joke.

10. This press release eludes to an announcement that the photos
do show real debris, and this announcement also originated
from JBJ's word processor.

11. JBJ has claimed the USAF was in a "hot" dispute with UTA
requesting the originals be turned over to the US
government.

12. Re the UTA exhibit of the photos, no special security was
taken by UTA as none were necessary.

13. Despite repeated requests for the method used on how the
photos were enhanced that they now reveal the "Real" debris,
JBJ's responses have been obscure.

14. CNI interviewed JBJ and wrote the enlargement was done using
a xerox machine to "blow up" the photo in many steps.

15. JBJ came up with what he thought would clue everyone in this
was a joke by saying the enhancement work was done by office
supply chain, Staples.

16. I (Durant) bought the 16x20 prints from UTA and using a
magnifying glass found nothing.

17. A friend of mine used real computer enhancements, found
nothing, told this to JBJ, and JBJ, ever the jokester,
angrily told him he was blind.


Following is just a taste of why durant should substantiate his
statements:

1. Durant has never had any direct contact with JBJ. What is the
evidence JBJ considers this a joke? Fact is JBJ is very serious
about taking another look.

2. JBJ is 72 and definitely not senile. But I'd like to know
what he is basing this statement on.

3. There has been NO contact between Moore and JBJ since two
interviews JBJ gave Moore and Shandera in 1989-90. On what basis
does he claim JBJ and Moore have been teamed up for years
claiming the debris in these photos is real?

4. Durant describes a CNI interview where JBJ supposedly said he
used a Xerox machine. This is not accurate at all. (See #14
above)

However, in the very same CNI interview, Mr. Lindemann stated a
spokeswoman for UTA told him some calls UTA got were belligerent
and threatening. UTA was therefore taking suitable precautions
to assure the security of the original photos.

NOW take a look at #12 above where Durant says flatly no
precautions were taken. This appears to be a deliberate
misrepresentation to make the reader believe all the other
statements. To the contrary, this takes away all credibility to
everything else he says.

I hope this finds it's way to Mr. Durant and he takes the
opportunity to substantiate all the false claims made in his
article as I've outlined them above.

When he doesn't respond, which he won't because all of this is
untruthful, I hope anyone who wants the truth will contact J.
Bond Johnson or myself.

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             Russian 'Roswell' - Subbotin And Bachurin Elaborate

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:14:19 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:14:27 -0400
Subject: Russian 'Roswell' - Subbotin And Bachurin Elaborate

Posted on "alt.ufo.reports" August 9. Links are
preceded by asterisks.

Stig

*******

Subject:      Russian Roswell ?
From:         Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru
Date:         1998/08/09
Newsgroups:   alt.ufo.reports

Russian Roswell?

Nikolay Subbotin,
Emil Bachurin.

On September 16, 1989 in the sky above a port the Zaostrovka, on
fringe of Perm, occured something strange. Many inhabitants,
open mouthes, watched unprecedented battle. Six strange silvery
devices reminding combined together plates, coursed behind
seventh more dark.

Even on a background of evening clouds it was possible to
distinguish that six plates were of dark grey colour and seventh
which turned as mad, leaving from under fire of the persecutors
had a bright - golden shade. The picture reminded the next
series Luckas "Star Wars ". The plates carrying out figures a
maximum pilotage were carried above a port carrying out
inconceivable evolutins that being reduced before shaving flight
that sharply rising a sky up to height of approximately
kilometer. Sometimes from six plates there were beams in the
party seventh :

Is detailed this history has described one of tap man of a port.
In time of "battle" the electricity was switched off and to the
workers did not remain anything as with horror in heart to watch
this fantastic show. Later records of conversations were
transferred a Sichenko author of the article about "a combat of
plates above a Zaostrovka", appeared after some time in the
Semipalatinsk local newspaper. The Sichenko - former helicopter
man, was commanded by a squadron by our AF in Afghanistan, then
there was one of the founders of fund "Nevada-Semipalatinsk" now
lives in Stockholm.

Under the stories of eyewitnesses six plates had a rather
complex configuration: the wider like as a disc part hung above
the narrower basis like as a mushroom the form. If to compare
the descriptions from different points of supervision, the UFO -
about 20 meters in a diameter is possible to make conclusions
about the approximate sizes.

At the end golden plate was knock down and has gone on decrease
(reduction). The six of plates has left, by looking after falls
seventh.

Is completely casual on one of the members of Perm ufology club
"Anomalu" (Ury Nekrasov) send eyewitnesses observing battle on
the part of city (approximately in 10 kms from a port). They
even have managed to show him an azimuth and house for which
beginnings to fall a plate.

The place managed to be found fall. The UFO has fallen on
territory of military range in a bog. On this place we managed
to visit only in autumn of 1990. To come nearer to a place of
fall to nobody have permitted(solved), on experience knowing,
than come to an end similar of "approach"("approximation")
(enough to recollect the tragical ending of excavation a UFO
under a management(manual) a Deev) :

Nevertheless, on a place of fall the group of the militarians
who have arrived there through a pair of months worked. The area
of accident entirely consists of fens, on which it is possible
to pass only in a period a cold, therefore first expedition
(dispatch) should be postponed till November. By first there
have beaten three employees led by the chief of range. The
information that they there have found and as acted further to
receive it was not possible. Authentically is known only that as
a result of this "campaign" a two from them treatment in
hospital with the unintelligible diagnoses (Emil Bachurin
personally saw these medical cards). One of the diagnoses -
burns on a body, and they were already in winter regimentals.
After that incident the territory of fall was announced as
danger for moving the people. Nowadays military base does not
work but is protected. Unfortunately it was not possible to
receive any given about evacuation of object.

Later above a place of fall the UFO tried to fly by the pilot of
civil aircraft on An-2 therefore began to refuse devices (even
unmagnetic). It was necessary to refuse attempt. The ending of
this flight - chaste reprimand :

In this history us alert one fact. About what humanity on the
part of newcomers there can be a speech, if the military actions
in the manned worlds are admitted? And these cases are not
individual. The plates are literally strewed on us from the sky,
they something is constant repair and repair in the devices,
there is an impression, that their engineering is rather
unreliable. But it is possible to assume and return, in
near-Earth space the constant skirmishes between various
civilizations and as result - often accidents and breakages a
UFO are conducted. Even the NASA was possible to photorgaph from
a board of one of the space vehicles battle a UFO on an orbit of
the Earth (transfer "UFO DIARIES"). Can, in the near future we
unaideded shall see "STAR WARS", which will be
developed (unwrapped) in our Solar system :


___________________________________
MAILLIST RUFORS (C) 1997-98
RUSSIAN UFO RESEARCH STATION
Nikolay Subbotin (norsa@psu.ru),
ICQ 7227013
Director RUFORS (Russian UFO Research Station)
*[http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf]
Editor Russian UFO Magazine "Dialog: Earth -
Space"
*[http://www.cross.ru/dialog]
PO BOX 6303, Perm, Russia 614010
Tel/fax 7-3422-450184








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                   Further Info On SETI's Home PC Project

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:51:42 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:10:07 -0400
Subject: Further Info On SETI's Home PC Project

>From the San Francisco Chronicle. URL:

http://www.sfgate.com:80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/arc
hive/1998/08/08/MN16758.DTL&type=3Dprintable

Links are preceded by asterisks.

Stig

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Computer Sleuths Tune In For Outer Space Signals


Dan Fost, Chronicle Staff Writer

Saturday,=A0August 8, 1998

=A91998 San Francisco Chronicle


Can earthlings use e-mail to find E.T.?


More than 120,000 people have enlisted in an experiment to use
their personal computers and the Internet to analyze radio waves
from deep space for signs of extra-terrestrial intelligence.

"I think our galaxy is teeming with life," said Dan Werthimer,
an astronomer in the Space Sciences Laboratory at the University
of California at Berkeley, which is running the project.

"In just the last few years, we've found planets going around
other stars," he said. "Some of those planets have the right
temperature, the right conditions, the right chemistry for
life."

If that life exists, Werthimer wondered: "Is it intelligent?"

And if there are some smart alien civilizations out there: "Are
they building radio telescopes?"

If the answers are yes, then some lucky earthling may end up on
the re ceiving end of some interesting transmissions.

"The possibility to be the person that's there the first time
there's a radio wave found -- you've got to admit, that's going
to be a very profound moment in human history," said Edward
Chezick, 42, a computer engineer in Troy, Mich., who has
volunteered for the program.

Werthimer's project -- dubbed SETI@home, for the search for
extra-terrestrial intelligence -- still needs to work out some
technological glitches, and it still needs to raise about
$200,000.

But if all goes according to plan, in about six months,
thousands of volunteers -- from a 12- year-old in the
Philippines to a Novato e-commerce expert -- will participate in
a record-setting attempt at distributed computing. Distributed
computing harnesses the power of many computers to perform a
single complicated task, such as searching for prime numbers.

The project will transmit chunks of data -- radio waves
converted into digital format -- gleaned from the Arecibo radio
telescope in Puerto Rico, the largest such device in the world.

Scientists say that by tapping into thousands of PCs, they can
create a computer network more powerful than any single
supercomputer.

Similar networks have been used to crack powerful encryption
codes, or to create spectacular computer effects in movies like
"Titanic" and "Toy Story," according to Eric Brewer, co-founder
and chief scientist of the search engine company Inktomi and a
professor of computer science at UC-Berkeley.

"The more computers we can hook up, the merrier," Werthimer
said. "The name of the game is computing power."

The hurdle to a project like SETI@home is not so much the
technology -- the advent of the Internet makes large-scale
distributed computing possible. Organizers must also convince
people to allow an outside entity to plant some software on
their computer.

The users must trust not only the university, but also,
theoretically, the extra-terrestrials who might connect to the
computer. "We do ask people to trust us," said Werthimer. But,
he noted, "a lot of people do download programs over the
Internet."

The advantage SETI@home has over other computing efforts is that
it strikes a deep-rooted chord with people. Humans have dreamed
for centuries of life in outer space. Thanks to Hollywood,
people have a variety of conceptions of what aliens look like --
even if the reptilian forms have no basis in fact.

Hollywood also popularized the SETI concept with the 1997 movie
"Contact," in which Jodie Foster starred in the late astronomer
Carl Sagan's story based on Jill Cornell Tarter -- an astronomer
with the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence Institute in
Mountain View.

The SETI Institute is not part of Serendip, Werthimer's group
which is running SETI@home. Werthimer said he supports the SETI
Institute's work, but has a different approach. Several key
members of the SETI Institute, including Tarter, serve on a
SETI@home advisory panel.

The SETI Institute searches specific points in the sky where it
thinks alien life is most likely, Werthimer said, while Serendip
-- Search for Extraterrestrial Radio Emissions from Nearby
Developed Intelligent Populations -- draws signals from across
the universe, and looks for patterns.

In SETI@home, those signals will be sent to people and processed
in that most mundane of software products, a screen saver. "It's
better than flying toasters or goldfish on the screen,"
Werthimer said. "The computer is on anyway. Why not have it do
something?"

Getting the Arecibo data to analyze is as simple as logging onto
the Web for participants. The data will sit on the computer
until, in an idle moment, the screen saver kicks on and starts
analyzing it.

After a few days of crunching the radio waves, the screen saver
will ask the user to dial back to headquarters. The processed
information will be sent in, and new data can be downloaded.

Project director David Anderson, a computer science professor at
UC Berkeley, has written the program that breaks the data up
into chunks for distribution. Anderson is relying on volunteer
programmers to make the software run on different platforms,
such as the Macintosh, Windows or Unix.

Even though $200,000 doesn't sound like much in hyper-charged
Silicon Valley, Werthimer acknowledged, "We're astronomers. We
don't know much about raising money."

The scientists are accustomed to petitioning the government for
money, but Congress cut off SETI programs a few years ago as a
cost- saving measure.

Werthimer, 44, is a mild-mannered academic, slightly built with
a reddish, neatly trimmed beard. He grew up in San Francisco,
but as a young man in the 1970s, was active in computer clubs in
the nascent Silicon Valley. Apple Computer co-founder Steve
Wozniak was among the members of Werthimer's clubs who went on
to riches and fame, while he went on to academia.

The writings of Carl Sagan and science fiction author Isaac
Asimov stirred Werthimer's imagination in those days. He went on
to teach astronomy at San Francisco State University.

Now, as director of the Serendip Project, Werthimer gets to
combine his interests in computers and astronomy.

SETI is based on sound science, according to Peter Sturrock, a
professor of applied physics at Stanford University. "The basic
SETI concept is very well conceived," he said.

Werthimer said the belief in alien life is not even remotely
connected to the "garbage" and "hearsay" about UFOs.

Sturrock said an alien civilization could very well be using
radio signals to communicate.

"If you don't get the signals," he said, "that may mean there
are no civilizations. It may mean they don't want to talk to
you. Or it may mean your assumptions are wrong."

No one will know unless they look, Werthimer said.

"Earthlings are just learning how to do this," he said. "We're
just getting into the game."

For more information about SETI@home, go to

*http:// setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/.


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              Area 51 Has Maybe More Than A Thousand Employees

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:45:36 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:14:56 -0400
Subject: Area 51 Has Maybe More Than A Thousand Employees

From: The Rocky Mountain News.

http://insidedenver.com/news/0809area.html

Stig

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'Area 51' Really Does Exist, But Still, Nobody'S Talking


By Thomas Hargrove Scripps Howard News Service


Many people who believe in UFOs also think that "Area 51" --
dried-up Groom Lake in Nevada -- is where the Air Force keeps
the flying saucers it captured.

And maybe an autopsied alien body or two.

Others think the military base is the testing grounds for
America's most secret military machines, everything from the
F-117 Stealth fighter to electro-magnetic pulse weapons that
would make Buck Rogers nervous.

What is certain is that there is something in that moonscape
property north of Las Vegas. Officially designated the "Nellis
Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range," the federally protected
territory covers an area equal to Rhode Island and Connecticut.

What also is certain is that 1,851 federal civilian workers are
employed in mostly well-compensated jobs at several
ultra-high-security facilities in and near the range, according
to a Scripps Howard News Service analysis of U.S. Office of
Personnel Management payroll records.

"This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the
United States," said Jeff Moag, a National Security News Service
researcher in Washington. "It used to be that the Air Force
tried to pretend that Area 51 didn't exist at all."

The Air Force last year conceded the existence of the base when
it released a publication that suggested experimental Cold
War-era aircraft could have been mistaken for flying saucers.

Whatever they do in the Nellis Bombing Range continues under the
Clinton administration.

Payroll records show the Department of Energy, which controls
the nation's stockpile of nuclear bombs, employs 32 people in
Mercury, Nev., the only town inside the bombing range.

But non-government military observers for several years have
said they think that hundreds, or thousands, of military and
civilian workers who are employed in the desert facilities take
daily flights from Las Vegas airfields into the base. The
computer records appear to confirm this.

The Department of Energy officially employs 448 people in the
Las Vegas area, even though there are no known federal projects
in the city that could justify such employment. The Air Force
has 1,068 civilian employees there, some of whom certainly work
at Nellis Air Force Base.

But more suspect are the 166 civilian employees of the
departments of Defense and Army, the 156 Environmental
Protection Agency workers, the 10 Federal Emergency Management
Agency employees and at least two representatives of the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission staff. Some of these people work in
classified operations at the bombing range.

The payroll for all of the civilian workers in the area totaled
$80.6 million.


August 9, 1998



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                  UFO Interpretation Is A Many-Sided Thing

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:07:04 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:08:54 -0400
Subject: UFO Interpretation Is A Many-Sided Thing

The X-Files series is a Sunday Times feature
August 9, with many interesting articles, see

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/98/0
8/09/x-stixficon01001.html?2510145

In one of them Sunday Times contributor Georgina
Howell tells of her recent UFO experience and the
many interpretations it received. URL:

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/98/0
8/09/x-stixfixfi01012.html?2510145

Stig

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Sunday August 9 1998 =A0=A0

THE X-FILES

One Glance At The Shining Metallic Object In The
Sky Changed This Writer'S Life For Ever.

By Georgina Howell

On Friday, May 30, 1997, I finished researching a Scottish
wildlife story for The Sunday Times Magazine. I had spent four
nights in Orkney, and on the Friday morning I was at Kirkwall
Airport to catch the 11.50am flight, BA 8773, to Aberdeen, where
I was to change onto a flight to Heathrow. The weather was
brilliantly sunny and clear. When we were called to board the
small propeller plane, I was the last one out of the terminal
building and walked slowly across the Tarmac thinking I should
probably never return to Orkney. I looked around, to memorise
the landscape, and above the windsock to my left, at
approximately 45 degrees above the grass and sea, I saw a
motionless silver metal angle in the sky, like two sides of a
triangle. Depending on how far away it was, each bar could have
been the size of a plane, or much larger. The sunshine glanced
off the upper bar. I looked at it as I walked, my head turned to
the left, trying to understand what it was. I saw that it wasn't
a plane, but it might have been two planes, one superimposed by
perspective over the other. It did not look in the least like
that, so I rejected the theory instantly. (In any case, the
previous flight had taken off some 15 minutes earlier.) It might
have been a piece of airport apparatus mounted on a tall pole,
but there was no pole.

About four seconds after first noticing the metallic object, I
decided to point it out to the air hostess as I got onto the
plane, and ask if she could explain it. At that point I felt
myself falling forward, and the right side of my face collided
violently with the Tarmac. It had happened so quickly that my
hands were still by my sides. Although I had a cut lip, scraped
nose, a black eye and bruising above the eye, my hands and arms,
and the tape recorder I was carrying in my left hand, were
unscathed.

Several people came to my aid and helped me up. After a minute
or so I told them, "I was looking at that!" and pointed to the
sky where I had seen the angle, but there was nothing there.
Apparently nobody else had seen it.

Later, I tried to find out more. UFO magazine cuttings revealed
an upsurge of UFO sightings over central and northern Scotland,
but I could find no report of angular, rather than triangular
sightings, in any of the material.

Then a friend sent me a report of a giant V-shaped formation of
red and white lights that swooped over Arizona on the night of
March 13, 1997, seen by thousands and videotaped by many.
Reports appeared in the Daily Mail, June 19, and The People,
June 22, testifying to the fact that the flying angle blotted
out the stars for "more than a mile", and passed over several
towns at a steady 30mph, covering a distance of 60 miles at a
height varying from 500 to several thousand feet.

The reports began with a phone call from a retired police
officer in Paulden, 60 miles north of Phoenix, and within
minutes the switchboard of the National UFO Reporting Center in
Seattle was flooded with calls from Prescott, Wickenburg,
Glendale, Phoenix and Scottsdale. Bill Grava, a pilot and air
traffic controller for 12 years, was on tower duty at Sky Harbor
International Airport. He saw the UFO, but says that it did not
appear on radar.

Those people in Arizona must also have gone over and over the
event until they could barely believe it themselves. In one
respect I envy them: they can reassure each other that it
happened. I am alone in what I saw and felt, so I am glad that I
had a photograph taken and typed out my account within 48 hours.

I still have no idea what actually happened. I have a selection
of "expert" assessments, running the gamut from those who
believe that people who see these odd sightings have been
preselected by aliens (as in the movie Close Encounters) to
those who believe it is a trick of the mind. Here are some of
the opinions.

Magnus Park, duty officer at Kirkwall  Airport, where he has
been employed for the last seven years: "Aircraft movements are
continually logged, but the recorded tapes are reused after 40
hours. Air Traffic Control know of no report of anything unusual
on that date.

"I have read many reports of UFO sightings in the north of
Scotland in the papers, but I have never seen anything of that
kind myself, and I have never met anyone who has."

RAF spokesman for the Ministry of Defence: "The MoD as an
organisation has no interest, expertise or role with regard to
UFO activities. We monitor the skies to prevent unauthorised
incursions into British airspace.

"If we receive written reports of UFO sightings we examine them,
but only to see if they relate directly to the field of our
interest."

Timothy Good, author of Beyond Top Secret - The Worldwide UFO
Security Threat, published by Macmillan and with a foreword by
Admiral of the Fleet, Lord Hill-Norton, ex-chief of the defence
staff: "There are many witnesses worldwide who have seen
anomalous objects in the skies which are apparently motionless.
Some of these people have been adversely affected from a
distance."

Dr Susan Blackmore, senior lecturer in psychology at the
University of the West of England, Bristol, specialising in
parapsychology and presently studying psychic phenomena in
borderline states of consciousness: "It was odd that you fell
that way. It suggests an epileptic seizure, or transient
narcolepsy, a momentary sleep paralysis. Many examples of
reported 'alien abduction' are really explained by this.

"Typically, people report a buzzing noise with flashing or
floating lights. In several examples I have examined people in
this state who say they see shapes - including triangles."

Albert Budden, senior scientific officer at the Natural History
Museum and member of the Environmental Medicine Foundation, has
written Allergies and Aliens, and a new book, Electric UFOs:
"What you saw was not a craft, but a hallucination. You were at
an airport, with radar, and near to a propeller plane with the
engines running. You may have found yourself in an
electromagnetic hotspot, and you may have had a focal seizure
with the appearance of an exotic reality, resulting in a drop
attack - a form of epileptic seizure.

"Just as planes can interfere with television, radio and
telephone reception, the electrical component in plane engines
emits a powerful electromagnetic energy. You may be slightly
more sensitive to this than other people. You had a syncope. Go
to a neurologist."

Graham Birdsall, editor of UFO Magazine and an active researcher
since 1967: "Scotland has had more than its fair share of
triangular craft sightings. Many of them are USAF experimental
craft. There are all manner of UAVs - unmanned aerial vehicles -
including a wing-shaped variety. They do not remain motionless,
but hover. From the distance between you and the object, I would
deduce that it was hovering, but appeared motionless. However, I
do not know of any UAVs that are angle-shaped, and I would be
very surprised to hear that one was being flown anywhere near a
civil aircraft air corridor."

Nick Pope, higher executive officer in the MoD investigated 750
UFO sightings between 1991 and 1994. His assessment was that
some UFOs were extra-terrestrial in origin: "The shape you
describe does not correlate with anything I have investigated.
It could be an exotic prototype craft that I'm unaware of, but
an airport is the last place in the world you would choose to
test a craft of that kind. Why did you fall? You were not
looking where you were going. You should have immediately tried
to find out if the air traffic radar had picked up anything
unusual: by now the tape will probably be recorded over."

Hilary Evans, author of an influential book, Altered States of
Consciousness, is neither a believer nor a sceptic. He does not
doubt that people see UFOs, but suspects they are military
devices or psychological phenomena. He has never investigated a
human/alien encounter that he cannot explain as a psychological
event. "It comes down to this: you saw something unusual, and
you had an unusual fall. If you didn't trip, and the two are
connected, it could have been something that was momentarily
visible to you and no one else.

"There are two points to consider. The shape you saw was
entirely meaningless, therefore perhaps not derived from your
subconscious. When people hallucinate, they usually tell a story
with far more detail."

Professor Michael Persinger, psychologist at Laurentian
University, Ontario, Canada, has studied the workings of the
temporal lobes of the brain. His work was the subject of a 1994
BBC2 Horizon programme in which he used magnetic pulses to the
brain to trigger temporal lobe activity and illusions that can
be misinterpreted by the subject as alien abduction.

He has also found a link between UFO sightings and areas of
pre-earthquake stress under the earth's crust: "Historically and
geographically, in Orkney you were in a high probability area
for unusual events. Added to that, the stress of travelling can
induce a state in which certain chemicals are activated in the
brain. The result is an increased vigilance in the brain's right
hemisphere, which is sensitive to what is happening on the
left-hand side.

"Therefore it is not an accident that you saw what you did. It
was not necessarily a physical object, and only a sensitised
person is likely to have seen it. Such 'objects' have a life
cycle of around 10 seconds.

"To sum up, you were in a special state induced by travelling, a
state that interfered with the execution of your normal
reflexes. The right hemisphere of your brain activated the left
side of your visual field."

As is so often the case with any mystery sighting, the answers
posed further questions. I do not believe I was "meant" to see
the UFO, and was punished because I was going to point it out to
other people, but neither do I believe that I just happened to
trip at that moment.

If it had been a normal fall, I would have put my hands up to
protect my face. I don't claim to have been abducted. There is
no family history of epilepsy or narcolepsy.

And if I was in a special state induced by travelling, why have
I never experienced these phenomena on the hundreds of other
occasions at airports? Now that we are all international
tourists, why don't cases like this happen more often?

Finally, I rang the Breakspear Hospital at Hemel Hempstead,
which deals with patients suffering from all kinds of sensitive
states, including drop attacks.

I spoke to Dr Jean Monro, the director of the hospital, who
explained that these can be common in people who are
electrically sensitive. "The trigger can even be a weak
frequency - each person can be sensitive to a different level of
electromagnetic frequency.

"Frequencies can affect the whole of the human network between
the cells, passing through them at the speed of sound.

"The results can be dramatic: people go down like ninepins with
neuromuscular paralysis, while at the same time being completely
aware of what is going on."

This seemed to tie in precisely with what I experienced. It
"felt" right. But was it then a complete coincidence that I
happened to see an unusual shape in the sky?

"I don't believe that these people who say they have seen UFOs
can all be wrong. The thing you saw might have had a magnetic
field, but that doesn't necessarily make it an unnatural
phenomenon."

I don't believe that anyone can satisfactorily explain it better
than Dr Jean Monro. Whatever happened that day has certainly
changed my opinion about UFOs.

The subject used to bore me. Now I think about the incident
frequently and I want to know what these things are. I will go
on asking questions about them for the rest of my life.


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Volume 3, Number 32
August 9, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor


MYSTERIOUS SKY BOOMS HEARD IN MARYLAND AND RHODE ISLAND

On Thursday afternoon, July 30, 1998, two very loud "skyquakes"
rocked the beaches of Ocean City, Maryland (population 5,146),
startling hundreds of people.

The sounds were described as "two loud earthshaking booms
offshore," just east of this resort community on Assateague
Island. "There was no apparent cause--no planes were in sight,
no sonic disturbances. The booms seemed to originate several
miles offshore."

Ocean City is located 139 miles (222 kilometers) southeast of
Baltimore. (Many thanks to Steve Stankiewicz for this news
story.)

On Saturday, August 1, 1998, at 9:30 p.m., a mysterious boom
reverberated through Rhode Island's Narragansett Bay, jolting
the town of East Greenwich and the Conimicut Point section of
Warwick, R.I.

"The mysterious boom heard about 9:30 p.m. Saturday night in
East Greenwich and parts of Warwick flooded police switchboards
with curious calls and had residents eyeing the heavens and
putting an ear to the ground."

"Its source has stymied officials."

"'We called everyone we could think of,' said East Greenwich
Police Chief Lawrence Campion Jr., who reported that the sound
shook his station house (on Peirce Street--J.T.) and prompted
officers to run upstairs to see if something heavy had fallen
over. 'It's a mystery. And it's not the first time it's
happened, either."

(Editor's Comment: True enough! A "sky boom" was heard over East
Greenwich on the afternoon of December 27, 1909, during
L'affaire Tillinghast, also known as the New England Airship
Invasion of 1909.)

"A similar boom--described as a short rumbling sound, like a
muffled explosion--was reported about six weeks ago in East
Greenwich."

"Many residents theorized that the culprit was the Concorde--the
intercontinental supersonic jet-- breaking the sound barrier on
the way to JFK Airport in New York City."

"'Not likely,' said Patricia Goldstein, public affairs director
for T.F. Greene Airport (in the Hillsgrove section of Warwick,
R.I.--JT) 'That has happened in the past but hasn't occurred
lately, so far as we know.'"

"Bonnie Zech, a resident of Reynolds Avenue in East Greenwich
(population 10,211) never suspected the sky."

"'It led me to think it was something seismic,' said Zech. 'It
definitely wasn't the Concorde.'"

"Warwick police also received numerous calls on the noise,
mainly from residents in the (shoreside) Conimicut and Potowomut
neighborhoods--residents who are accustomed to attributing all
things loud and bothersome to the airport." (See the Providence,
R.I. Journal for August 4, 1998, "Nighttime 'boom': Theories
resound, source a mystery," by John Doherty, pages C-1 and C-2.)


UFO, BLACK HELICOPTER SEEN NEAR PENSACOLA

Pensacola, Florida (population 58,165) had two unusual sightings
last week.

On Thursday, July 30, 1998, Andrew G. of Andalusia, Alabama "was
driving south on Highway 85 towards Crestview, Florida. While
driving through the small town of Baker, Florida, I suddenly
spotted a low-flying, jet-black helicopter flying west to east
and eventually heading towards the north. I did not see any
numbers or lettering and could not be sure if it was an
undercover military helicopter or not."

Baker is on Florida Highway 4 about 50 miles (80 kilometers)
northeast of Pensacola. (Email Interview)

On Saturday, August 1, 1998, at 12:15 a.m., ufologists Andrew
Casaveno and Lisa Pilcher were driving over the Pensacola Bay
Bridge . "To the right they saw an object that at arm's length
was at least the size of a quarter. The UFO was shaped like a
sombrero. The object was completely surrounded by extremely
bright yellow, gold and amber lights and seemed to be
'shimmering.' We observed the vividly lit object for two minutes
until we passed over the bridge."

Beverly and Matthew Pilcher, following in a second car, "also
watched a yellow light" above the trees where the UFO had last
been seen. (See <../../filer/1998/ff_3198.html#8>Filer's Files
#31 for 1998. Many thanks to George A. Filer of MUFON for this
news story.)


LONGMONT, COLORADO SEES ANOTHER TRIANGULAR UFO

On Saturday, July 18, 1998, at 10:02 p.m., L.B. and his family
"drove west away from the Wal-Mart in Longmont, Colorado
(population 51,555) and spotted a craft flying to the southwest
of our area and moving westward across our field of view."

"It seemed to have a great many red pulsating lights with some
white lights in the central area," L.B. reported. "It descended
towards Longmont airport but it did not follow the usual flight
pattern, and was actually going down towards the farm fields
south of the airport. We lost sight of it behind the trees as I
drove."

"Five minutes later, we were driving north towards the west end
of the airport when we spotted a craft that looked like the
first one. The craft looked like a very large plane rising from
the west end of the airport. It was moving shakily. The lights
appeared to be 50 or 60 feet high."

The UFO "slowly flew over the road about 50 feet above the
ground. I commented that it was lit funny because it appeared to
be box-shaped in that the rear showed two red lights, one above
the other, and the front of the craft had two more red lights in
a vertical column. The craft ascended slowly to the westward to
about 120 feet above the ground. Then it stopped and appeared to
hover."

"Because the lights did not change orientation, we assumed that
the craft was still going west even though the craft was now
growing larger. Suddenly, we realized it was heading back
towards us."

"It passed over the road about 170 to 200 feet above the ground.
As it seemed to rise, three people in the car saw that the craft
was shaped like a triangle with three equal sides. Along each of
the side angles, there were long tube-like lights, like neon
tubes and these were a yellowish-white. The tubes curved upward
near the west end of the craft and came to sharp points."

"Near the apex of the triangle, the eastern tip, was a large red
recessed hole in which was a light blue light. While the red
lights had been pulsating earlier, as the craft was flying west,
now all the lights were continually bright, not blinking or
pulsating. The light provided enough illumination to allow
viewers to see that the craft had a large triangular hull. We
quickly tried to pull over onto another side road so we could
get a better look...Then the craft changed course and headed
north until it was hidden by the trees."

Longmont is on Colorado Highway 287 about 27 miles (43
kilometers) north of Denver. A similar dark triangle-shaped UFO
was seen there back in April. (Many thanks to Bill Bunch of
Supernews for this story.)


UFOs SIGHTED IN MONTAGUE, NEW JERSEY

Two UFO sightings were reported last week in and near Montague,
a town on the Delaware River in the northwestern corner of New
Jersey, about 120 miles (192 kilometers) west of New York City.

On Sunday, August 2, 1998, at 10:30 p.m., Rita S. went out to
her barn to give her horses a late night snack. "when I spotted
what I thought was a bright white light from a small aircraft
moving longitudinally towards the north. It was flying under
1,000 feet and should have had a strobe light or pulsating
smaller red, green or blue lights. The object seemed to be round
and bright, which led me to believe it was flying too low not to
have had any sound."

Rita turned her head to the right momentarily, but when she
looked back, the object was gone.

Three days earlier, on Thursday, July 30, 1998, a family driving
in High Point State Park, ten miles east of Montague, "spotted
an object in the sky with a sort of spotlight, very bright,
moving northeast, and there was no sound. It was estimated to be
about 1,500 feet in the air. It was there one moment moving
slowly. In a blink, it was gone, not just moved to another spot,
totally gone from the area." (Many thanks to Louise A. Lowry,
editor of The Strange, for these news stories.)


FRENCH UFOLOGISTS PROBE NEW TRIANGULAR UFO CASE

SOS OVNI, the French UFO research group, is investigating
another sighting of a very large triangular UFO over the
department of Provence in late June.

On June 24, 1998, Scottish photographer Stuart Conway and a
friend spotted a giant triangular UFO over Lac de Saint Croix,
northeast of Marseilles, on France's Mediterranean coast.

According to French ufologist Alain Delplanque, independent
witnesses in Rognac, a town near Aix en Provence, about 200
kilometers (120 miles) southwest of Lac de Saint Croix, saw a
similar triangular UFO the same night.

"Another witness, living in Rognac, saw a flying
boomerang-shaped object coming from the northeast" at 11:30 p.m.
the night of June 24, 1998. The UFO "was coming from the
direction of Lac de Saint Croix" about 30 minutes after Conway's
sighting, Delplanque reported. "Our organisation is
investigating this case and has interviewed Air Traffic Control
in Salon de Provence." (Merci beaucoup aux Alain Delplanque et
SOS OVNI pour ces nouvelles.)


CROP CIRCLE APPEARS ON A FARM IN HUNGARY

On Wednesday, July 29, 1998, Hungarian national TV in Budapest
reported the discovery of a crop circle on a farm in Hered.

According to the report, the farmer had gone out to the field to
begin harvesting wheat when he "discovered the strange circle.
The farmer doubted that it was pranksters because there was no
trampled wheat leading to the circle. And in the nearest village
there are only old people who wouldn't play this kind of trick."

According to the TV report, investigators at the site said the
wheat was "perfectly flattened in one direction in a circular
form that you could make if you tramped around. But there were
no footsteps of any kind. A chemical analysis showed that some
of the (wheat) stems showed some kind of spontaneous aging or
other transformation."

This was Hered's second crop circle. Another one appeared in the
town in July 1996. (Many thanks to Zsolt Tari and AGETI for this
report.)


SEVEN ORANGE UFOs SEEN IN NORTHERN QUEENSLAND

Luminous orange UFOs appeared on two nights last week in
Townsville, Queensland state, Australia, and were seen by dozens
of people.

"The sudden appearance of seven unidentified flying objects over
Townsville last night (July 28, 1998) and Monday night (July 27,
1998) have left officials baffled."

"Several officials were spooked when seven orange- reddish
lights were reported gliding over Annandale, Garbutt and
Kirwan."

"Senior air traffic controller Squadron Leader Trevor Beams
(Royal Australian Air Force, RAAF) said police, Army and RAAF
were unable to explain it. 'I have no idea what it was,' he
said."

"Three air traffic tower duty-officers saw three lights at 6:45
p.m. and four lights at 7:45 p.m. on Monday. Squadron Leader
Beams said the lights were moving slowly the sky at 800 to 1,000
meters (altitude) due east."

"Bicycle store owner Sam Bratton said he saw four large orange
lights move northwest over Kirwan at 7:45 (p.m.) on Monday. 'I
saw them and called out to the people in the pizza shop (next
door) to come and have a look,' he said. 'This was weird. I have
never seen anything like this before in my life, and I am 75
years old. It was quite scary. I was not drinking, and I have
seen some strange things in my life, but this would have to be
the strangest.'"

"Cranbrook resident Peter Fox reported seeing five or six orange
lights at 8:50 to 9 p.m. last night (July 28) before they
disappeared in the direction of Mount Stuart. 'I thought at
first they might be helicopters, but there was no sound and they
weren't blinking,' Mr. Fox said."

"The Queensland Fire and Rescue Authority was called at 8:53
p.m.by an off-duty officer, also in Cranbrook."

Townsville is in tropical northern Queensland about 600
kilometers (360 miles) north of Brisbane. (See the Townsville,
Qlnd. Bulletin for July 29, 1998, "UFOs seen over city" by
Ainsley Pavey, page 3. Many thanks to Terry W. Colvin for
forwarding the newspaper article.)


BLUE TRIANGULAR UFO SPOTTED NEAR MELBOURNE

UFOs were active in southern Australia last week, as well.

On Sunday, August 2, 1998, at 7:30 p.m., a very large triangular
UFO, described as "about the size of a large house block
(apartment complex--J.T.), one-half of an acre," was seen over
Altona, near Melbourne, the capital of Victoria state.

According to Australian ufologist Ross Dowe, the object was a
"dull blue triangle with three large lights at about 300 meters
in height (altitude)." The object left the area at 7:45 p.m.
(Many thanks to Ross Dowe and the Australia/New Zealand 24-Hour
UFO Hotline for this report.)


GIANT FIREBALL APPEARS OVER AUSTRALIA'S EASTERN SEABOARD

On Monday night, August 3, 1998, "hundreds of Sydneysiders,"
including Australian police, saw a giant fireball, "what is
believed to be a meteorite plummeting to earth."

The mysterious fireball was seen from Woolongong and Sydney in
New South Wales along the east coast as far north as Brisbane in
southeastern Queensland.

Police "Substations were flooded by calls describing 'a bright
light with a black head and fiery tail' streaking through the
sky."

"Residents of the Hawkesbury area confirmed the sighting" as
"what they thought was a large aircraft crashing in the area and
inundated police with emergency calls."

"Pol Air, firefighters...and police ground units were dispatched
to the Ku-Ring-Gai National Park to investigate."

"Sergeant Bill Connors of Hornsby police said a number of police
and emergency rescue crews" reached the site "although their
efforts were hampered by heavily wooded terrain. However,
Sergeant Connors said the Civil Aviation Safety Authority had no
reports of a missing plane." (See Australia's Daily Telegraph
for August 4, 1998, "Ball of Fire." Many thanks to Ross Dowe of
Australia/New Zealand 24-Hour UFO Hotline for forwarding the
newspaper article.)


SAUCER SPOTTED IN SASKATCHEWAN

On Thursday, July 30, 1998, at 11:30 p.m., Robert S. was driving
west on Highway 1, the Trans-Canadian Highway. He had just
passed Morse and was approaching Enfold, Saskatchewan, Canada
when he spotted something odd in the sky.

"I spotted a disk-shaped object with a gray bottom and a silver
top at approximately one kilometer (0.6 miles) east of my
position. The object was heading in a southerly direction. The
object crossed my windshield at a very high rate of speed and
was out of sight within ten seconds. My (car) window was open,
and no sound could be heard."

Enfold, Sask. is located 175 kilometers (105 miles) west of
Regina, the provincial capital. (Many thanks to Tim Hagemeister
of NACOMM for this report.)


BLUISH-WHITE UFO SEEN OVER SAN FRANCISCO

On Wednesday, August 5, 1998, at about 9:30 p.m., "several
observers sighted and reported a bluish-white UFO streaking over
San Francisco Bay at an altitude of several hundred feet. The
'object' apparently broke into at least two pieces and
disappeared."

"Radio station KCBS took about 15 calls from observers who
spotted a UFO passing over" at a high altitude. The UFO flew
from west to east and was last seen heading for Mount Diablo,
east of the city. Authorities had "no explanation for the
phenomenon." (See <../../filer/1998/ff_3198.html#11>Filer's
Files #31 for 1998. Many thanks to George A. Filer for this news
story.)

(Editor's Comment: Mount Diablo, near Danville and San Ramon,
has a history of UFO sightings dating back to 1780.)


ORANGE UFOs SIGHTED OFF KEY WEST, FLORIDA

On Tuesday, July 28, 1998, at 8:30 p.m., Terry Biesiadecki of
Grosse Ile, Michigan was running his sailboat in the Atlantic
Ocean, near Maryland Shoals just off Key West, Florida.
Suddenly, he and his crew "spotted ten orange circles in
geometric positions."

"They stayed for five minutes, disappeared and returned in five
minutes," Terry reported. "Later, nine orange discs lit up the
sky. Next, three orange rings in a triangle dimension
(triangular formation) appeared and then disappeared. Words do
not explain the whole situation, their size and how the sky was
lighted."

The island of Key West is the southernmost point in Florida,
approximately 164 miles (262 kilometers) south of Miami. (See
Filer's Files #31 for 1998. Again, many thanks to George A.
Filer for this report.)


TWO BLACK HELICOPTERS SPOTTED IN SACRAMENTO

On Sunday, August 2, 1998, at 2:35 p.m., C.T. was "driving north
of Interstate 5 just west of downtown Sacramento (just north of
Richards Boulevard--J.T.) when I saw two dark helicopters to the
east of me and some distance--probably a few miles--away. One
was heading east. The other was in the process of turning from
north to east and following the first. The one that was turning
had a large rotor with four blades. They were both large and
dark. They appeared to be larger than any of the police/ traffic
helicopters I've seen frequently flying over Sacramento. I
turned east on Interstate 80 about five minutes later, but they
were already out of sight to the northeast."

Sacramento (population 369,365) is the state capital of
California and is located 91 miles (145 kilometers) east of San
Francisco. (Email Interview)


DERELICT SOHO RESPONDS TO NASA RADIO SIGNALS

Following six weeks of silence, the derelict Solar and
Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) sent a faint radio message to
Earth on Monday, August 3, 1998.

According to the NASA news release for August 4, "Contact has
been re-established with the Solar and Heliospheric
Observatory," which is floating one million miles from Earth at
the L-1 Lagrangian point.

"Signals sent yesterday through the NASA Deep Space Network
station at Canberra, Australia were received by SOHO at 6:51
p.m. in the form of bursts of (radio) signals lasting two to ten
seconds."

"These (SOHO) signals were received by both the NASA DSN station
and the ESA (European Space Agency) station at Perth, (Western
Australia)."

"Although the signals are intermittent and do not contain any
data information, they show that the spacecraft is still capable
of receiving and responding" to signals from Earth.

"'This is an excellent sign,' said Joe Gorman, NASA SOHO Project
scientist at the Goddard Spaceflight Center in Greenbelt,
Maryland. 'It means the spacecraft still has a heartbeat and
gives us additional options that we may be able to restore SOHO
to scientific operation.'"

The $1 billion solar satellite has been observing the sun from
its L-1 point, a region of space where the gravitational fields
of Earth and its neighbors cancel each other out, since December
1995.

(Editor's Comment: Nice to see SOHO back online. Enough sunlight
must be reaching its solar panels to give the onboard battery a
"trickle charge." Still no word, though, on how SOHO flipped out
of its orbital position back in June.)


from the UFO Files...

1926: DAYLIGHT DISC SPOTTED IN NORTHERN CHINA

Here's a classic case from the pre-Roswell era. Seventy-two
years ago, on August 5, 1926, Russian artist and explorer
Nicholas Roerich spotted a daylight disc in northern China. Here
in Roerich's own words is the story of his sighting.

"On August 5th--something remarkable! We were in our camp in the
Kukunor district, not far from the Humboldt (mountain) Chain. In
the morning, about half-past nine, some of our caravaneers
noticed a remarkably big black eagle flying above us. Seven of
us began to watch this unusual bird."

"At the same moment, one of our caravaneers said, 'There is
something far above the bird.' And he shouted his astonishment."

"We all saw, in a direction from north to south, something big
and shiny reflecting sun, like a huge oval moving at great
speed. Crossing our camp, this thing changed in its direction
from south to southwest. And we saw how it disappeared in the
intense blue sky. We even had time to take our field glasses and
saw quite distinctly the oval form with the shiny surface, one
side of which was brilliant from the sun." (See the book ALTAI-
HIMALAYA by Nicholas Roerich, Frederick A. Stokes Co., New York,
N.Y., 1929, pages 361 and 362.)


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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:34:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:13:03 +0200
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
>Subject: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:01:51 EDT
>>Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:15:16 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Meier Pictures

>>According to Meier and those dumb enough to _still_ believe in
>>him, Meier has a small pond surrounded by various one arm made
>>(Meier made) "crystals" of various bright colors. These
>>crystals, according to Meier's people at his cult, are aligned
>>and tuned into the right vibrational frequencies so as to
>>protect Meier from harm, danger and people with bad intentions,
>>such as those that want to expose the truth about him, etc.

><snip>

>>But back to the Pleiadian Physics. Meier is protected by this
>>crystal garden and therefore all bullets are going to miss him
>>and go astray and befuddle even the best of the dreaded
>>assassins.

>Hi List,

>When I asked a member of Meier's group whether this was true, he
>answered that the water pond Korff is discussing here has no
>esoteric meaning at all and that Korff's Pleidian Physics story
>is fantasy.

>Nevertheless, thanks to Kal Korff, for bringing this particular
>false claim in his book _Spaceships of the Pleiades: the Billy
>Meier story_ (pp. 90-91) to my attention, it has been added to
>the online overview of errors, distortions and other sorts of
>disinformation which can be found in the previously mentioned
>book. The overview can be found at the following URLs:

>http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/start1.htm

>http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/starta.htm
>(this is the version without JavaScript; for older browsers).

>Jeroen Jansen

Hello List,

To Jeroen's report I could add, also from his source, that the
simple reason the pond was built was to bring pleasure to the
people who look at it. But Korff must have known this, since in
his book on the Meier case, p. 90, he mentions that he had asked
one Simone, a Meier-case supporter, when at Schmidrueti if the
colored glass in the garden pond consisted of real crystals. She
told him "No," they were just colored glass.

On the following page his figure caption says that Meier and his
followers call this construction the "Pleiadian Crystal
Channeling Garden Water Pond." However, they call it no such
thing, rather they call it "M=E4rchenweiher," which means "fairy
tale pond."

With that important issue taken care of, perhaps Korff could be
induced to discuss those parallel or congruent sets of
quasi-horizontal scratch-like marks that appear on some of his
Meier photos presented in his book (of which no such marks
showed on Wendelle Stevens' 2nd-generation photo material
derived from Meier's originals). For many months Korff has
refused to respond to our previous requests on this. Why did he
not immediately notice that such marks in no way resemble a UFO
model support line? As anyone knows who has hung a piece of
clothing on an empty clothesline, at the point of suspension
above the hung clothing the support line takes on a shallow V
configuration. The point of the V is the point of suspension.
Same with a suspended model UFO. None of the scratch-like marks
on Korff's photo reproductions show any such configuration or
perturbation. This should have been immediately obvious to a UFO
investigator.

Jim Deardorff
Corvallis, Oregon
E-mail: deardorj@proaxis.com
Home page: http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/index.htm







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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: "Ted Viens" <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:41:52 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:41:00 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:51:50 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UFO Updates List <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: J. Bond Johnson-Roswell Photographer

>>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:33:17 -0500
>>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>>Subject: J. Bond Johnson
>>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Back on June 15th there was an Updates post which had been sent
>by Francis Ridge to Current-Encounters at AOL.

>The subject was the Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson written by
>R. J. Durant.

>Regardless of what anyone thinks the debris photos taken by JBJ
>do and do not show, JBJ is serious about taking another look at
>them. This is _no_joke_ to him!

<snip>

>I hope this finds it's way to Mr. Durant and he takes the
>opportunity to substantiate all the false claims made in his
>article as I've outlined them above.

>When he doesn't respond, which he won't because all of this is
>untruthful, I hope anyone who wants the truth will contact J.
>Bond Johnson or myself.

>  Thanks Dave Vetterick


Howdy Folks...

Over the 4th of July weekend, I took advantage of a trip to the
Dallas area to drive over to the Library at the University of
Texas at Arlington, go up to the Special Collections Division
and take a close look at the JBJ photos in their possession.
They have four (4) of them. As this tempest began to blow over
them, they reprinted them in the larger 16 x 20 format so that
they would be easier to inspect.

So, you ask, what the hell did I really see? I saw a portion of
a generals office with daylight outside a window. I saw a group
of officers displaying debris on the floor. I saw the work of a
photographer bothered by the usual demons of camera shake and
shallow depth of field. And, of course, I saw a small pile of
crumpled paper backed metal foil, broken rectangular sticks, and
sun burned coated bladders.

More important is what I still see. I see the missed
opportunities of investigators obsessing over highly manipulated
obscure details when there is so much practical detail to be
exracted from the photos. For instance, in one photo, General
Ramey is holding a telegram with a couple of lines blurred but
visible. If a researchers photo processing cannot resolve this
printed english what possible chance would they have of
resolving something unknown and unfamiliar? What is on this
telegram?

Not all Radar Reflectors were made of identical materials in
identical forms. A perceptive Weather Officer, in service at the
time, might be able to distinguish one from another and could
tell from looking at the photos whether the reflector
photographed was in use near Roswell, or near Fort Worth, or
exclusively by the Project Mogul teams. Those with this skill
grow fewer with the passing time and their memory grows dimmer.
Imagine the implications if a retired Weather Officer was able
to say, "Sure, I recognize those targets. But, they were only in
use in Texas and not at the New Mexico bases." Or even to say
that the Roswell targets looked just like those in the pictures.

One of the photos seems to show a short length of wide tape with
what could be handwriting on it. Anyone with the opportunity to
digitize a new 16 x 20 print direct from the original negative
could, again, first photo-analyze them for the familiar, before
twisting every digital transform macro to some meaningless
extreme pretending to make recognizable the unknown and
unfamiliar.

And its affordable. Each 16 x 20 is only $24.00 plus S&H. From
the UTA Schedule of Fees, General Public: "All photographic
orders must be received on the Special Collections Division's
'Request for Photographic Copies' form." Call them at
817-272-3393, fax them at 817-272-3360.

One more thing: The two courteous and helpful women behind the
desk at the Collections were very concerned about one thing.
Publication Fees, royalties, that fair use fee that you would
pay another for the use of their property. Four of the five or
so photos taken by James Bond Johnson on that fateful July day
in 1947 are owned by UTA and they would like to be paid for
their use. Even here the rates are reasonable. They believe that
the electronic fees will match the Video, Film rates which are
$100.00 for Worldwide Distribution. Probably to be assessed per
Web site. So, flat out retail, one could get 4 original prints
and publish them and any analysis of them for $496.00. Not even
bad at that price. But, fear not, they will entertain pleas of
poverty and strife.

So, there you have my take on the James Bond Johnson
photographs. Clearly a radar reflector target. Clearly still
able to tell us much more.

Bye...  Ted..








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                     UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:31:58 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:31:58 -0400
Subject: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence


From: Nexus Magazine Volume 5, #5
(August-September '98).

http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/


UFOs & EBEs
More Insider Evidence

This testimony from a former US Army Signal Corps and CIA
officer is the latest to confirm that the US government and
military are withholding the facts about extraterrestrial craft
and biological entities.

by Linda Moulton Howe =A9 1998
LMH Productions
PO Box 300, Jamison, PA 18929-0300, USA
Telephone: (215) 491 9840
Fax: +1 (215) 491 9842
by Linda Moulton Howe =A9 1998



Since my new book, Glimpses of Other Realities Volume II: High
Strangeness, was released to nationwide US bookstores on April
1, 1998, I have heard from several ex-military and
ex-intelligence people from around the country. They say the
documents and military voices in my new book have true
information about United States Government knowledge and
cover-up of non-humans interacting with Earth.

And a month ago, in May, I was put in phone contact with a man
I will simply call "Kewper" to protect his identity at his
request. Kewper served as a First Lieutenant with the US Army
Signal Corps and was a CIA administrator at an Army base in the
southeastern USA from 1957 to 1960. He provided his DD-214 and
Certificate of Discharge along with a 1956 newspaper article
about his being drafted. That civilian name and Army Signal
Corps base of operations were consistent with the Army discharge
papers.

I would name the Army base, but as you read further you will
see that Kewper was asked by a government watchdog to withhold
that information in order to protect current CIA-sensitive and
classified operations out of the same base in 1998.

Back in the 1957 to 1960 period, Kewper taught radio operations
and cryptography to Army Signal Corps officers under a false
identification assigned to him by the CIA. The head of that
Signal Corps school had worked for the Office of Strategic
Services (OSS) during World War II. The OSS became the Central
Intelligence Agency in 1947. In addition to teaching, Kewper's
CIA boss at the Army base asked Kewper to help analyse Top
Secret cases gathered for the Air Force's Project Blue Book
investigation of unidentified flying objects.

When I first talked with Kewper a month ago, he said his
security oaths expired 30 to 35 years after he got out of the
Army and CIA in 1960. So that period ended around 1995.
Therefore, he said, he now feels he's not doing anything wrong
by discussing with me his extraordinary first-hand knowledge and
experiences concerning "extraterrestrials"as he said they were
referred to in the Top Secret classified files he'd read and
analysed. However, a month ago he was not certain he wanted to
go on the public record.

On Saturday, May 30, I called him again to ask if he might now
be willing to do a radio interview as long as his real civilian
name was withheld. Since 1993 I have been reporting science and
environmental news for the nationally syndicated Chancellor
Radio Broadcasting Network. Kewper surprised me when he
immediately said, "I'm afraid your phone is tapped." He'd had a
call on Monday, May 25 from a man who did not explain who he was
or for whom he worked, and did not address Kewper by name but
simply started talking. And this is what Kewper told me on the
record, under the condition that I edit out subjects that the
unidentified caller said were still sensitive. Those edits are
indicated by parenthesis notes in the following interview first
broadcast on the North American syndicated radio programs
Dreamland, on May 31, 1998, and Coast to Coast AM Hosted by Art
Bell on all-night radio, June 1-2, 1998:



Howe: You answered the phone and they said...?

Kewper: Yeah, they didn't repeat my name. They just said: "We
understand that you had a conversation with somebody in
Pennsylvania in regards to classified materials that had been
classified, and we would appreciate it if you didn't bring up
the fact in an interview or television interviews in regards to
[Army base name deleted] that you had mentioned on the
telephone, and also about anything going on in the [CIA aerial
logistics deleted] or anything in regard to that. We would
really appreciate it because reporters and just interested
people, if it gets aired, may try to get into the classified
area thereand, of course, to their own physical harm."

Howe: They did not say that you could not talk about the
six-fingered humanoid film?

Kewper: No; nothing like that.

Howe: Well, then, could we do an interview today? Not for name
attribution but to put you on the radio as a person who
servedand you can tell me how you want it describedand who saw
this film, and you could try to give me the year. Can we do
that?

Kewper: Yeah, I guess so, as long as I don't bring up anything
about...

Howe: So you were getting the reports that Project Blue Book
was collecting; that they were allowing to the public only those
they were explaining. You were actually handling the files that
were unexplained?

Kewper: Yes. Probably not all of them, but at least we were one
of the groups investigating the unexplained. I know when they
closed down Project Blue Book they said they had found
absolutely nothing as far as what they did in Project Blue Book
that wasn't explained. And that was actually true because
anything they didn't explain would be sent to Fort Belvoir in
Virginia and then farmed out from there to other military. The
FBI was involved with some of the things, too, I know, because
FBI would show up on some of these peoples' doorsteps.

Howe: What were the years that you were personally working in
the CIA and handling these highly classified reports related to
the UFO phenomenon?

Kewper: 1957 to 1960. I was in the service starting in 1956,
but I didn't get involved with this in the first year, you know.

Howe: And your rank was what and in which military branch?

Kewper: I was in the Army and a First Lieutenant. I was still
actually in the Army Signal Corps, but I also worked for the
CIA, too, because I was getting two paychecks. I was getting
one from the CIA and one from military service.

Howe: Now, in the course of this work from 1957 to 1960, did
you see any 16-mm films related to this phenomenon?

Kewper: In regard to UFOs in Roswell, you mean?

Howe: Right.

Kewper: The only film I saw is the one that has been released
in the last couple of years showing an alien autopsy. I saw that
very same film in 1957.

Howe: And what were the circumstances in which you saw this?

Kewper: It was in regard to studying UFOs, in working up and
going through and trying to cover or investigate some of these
folders we had in regard to the different sightings. Apparently
someone at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, sent that film to my boss.
The team viewed the thing one Saturday morning and he had to
send it right back to Fort Belvoir again. But we did see that
one. And we also saw several other at that time highly
classified UFO sightings on film. We had one film showing a UFO
actually developing or materialising over a power plant out in
one of the western states like Oregon or Washington or
Utahsomewhere out in that area.

Howe: You mean someone just happened to be filming?

Kewper: Yes. Someone was trying a brand new camera and they
were filming this power plant. First, the mountainous areas
around, and then they were over to this power plant. The power
plant had a smokestack and had some smoke going on up. And a
little ways away from where the smoke was going up, we started
seeing little white, round...like a little piece of a cloud. It
got more and more dense, and more and more round. And pretty
soon you could see little tiny windows around the bottom
section. I'm just using "windows" as a term loosely. It
developed more and more, and pretty soon it looked real silver,
and soon it started flying off by itself, slowly.

Howe: So you had on film, in Central Intelligence Agency work,
we'll call it an actual materialisation of what appeared to be a
hard, silver disc that literally just emerged from what looked
like a vaporous cloud?

Kewper: Yes; just a little ways from a cloud emitted by the
smokestack. So we thought at that time that these aliens must
have some way of materialising or travelling from one area to
another and materialising, by using the current that was down in
the power plant somehow to change the electric currents...into
something electromagnetic or something solid, like solid
material.

Howe: Now, how was the autopsy/dissection of the six-fingered
humanoid film presented to you? What was the explanation of how
this had occurred?

Kewper: They just said that this was done at Roswell, the same
day or day afterthe same, I thinkthe craft was picked up at
night; that some time during the next day this autopsy was
performed there at the military base, and also an autopsy was
performed in town in the little clinic or hospital they have
there.

Howe: Now that would contradict the statement released with the
autopsy/dissection film by the alleged cameraman who said he was
there and filmed the wreckage and the beams that had the
symbols, and that about two weeks later, I believe, he was
asked to go to some place to film the autopsy dissection. Do you
know how to reconcile these two pieces of information?

Kewper: No, I don't, because we were toldit mentioned right in
the filmthat it was done in New Mexico, that most of the film
was done right there at the military base outside of Roswell
and that some little parts of the film were done at the local
hospital or clinic.

Howe: And what was the briefing to you about these six-fingered
humanoids? How were they described? Was there any information?

Kewper: There was little info in regards to that. The film was
about 10 years old at that time, and they just said this was the
only film that we have of the aliens and the body. There are
pictures that have been taken by different private people
showing these aliens walking around outside their craft,
something like that, but this is the only film that we have
that shows a close picture of the aliens and exactly what they
look like. So, if you run across any more of these sightings
that people have sent in that describe this particular being,
then you can match them up according to this.

Howe: Was the film you saw in black and white or colour?

Kewper: It was black and white.

Howe: And did you ever see any colour film or photographs of
these beings?

Kewper: No, not of the beings. The only coloured film I
remembered seeing was of that spaceship materialising.

Howe: Now, you were working for the CIA and this was tangential
to Project Blue Book. How were you shown this film? What were
the screening conditions? Were you in Washington? Were you in
the South?

Kewper: Yeah, they sent this down to [location deleted at
Kewper's request after anonymous phone call referenced in
introduction to this interview] and we looked at the film. Then
my boss had to send it right back the next day by a special
courier they had running between Fort Belvoir and CIA
headquarters.

Howe: How many of you were there?

Kewper: About 20 of us. There were 26 people involved
altogether in our group, and I would say that about 20 of us saw
it. Some were overseas at the time. A lot of the UFO pictures
that we got were not from the United States; they were European,
Central American, Mexican, and South American sightings of UFOs.
One was an Italian film. So I believe we got it down there at
the CIA because the CIA had facilities in all these foreign
countries to be able to try to verify some of these things;
because we had men in all the different parts of the world.

Howe: So this was your first visual sort of experience with
something non-human. Do you remember what you thought at the
time?

Kewper: Yeah, I was kind of perplexed. I thought: How can this
be? How can these beings come here? How can they be completely
different from man?

Howe: But sort of resembled us in a humanoid-shape way.

Kewper: Yes, they did; they did resemble us. That particular
alien, the six-fingered alienyou might say it didn't resemble us
completely, but it looked like a miniature man with a smaller
head, but it wasn't the great big narrow face with the big eyes.
It didn't have ears like we have; it had a little circle around
a hole inside of its skull. The ears didn't look like [ours].
The nose looked basically like [ours] and the mouth was much
smaller.

Howe: Do you remember if this film was shown to you in 1957, 10
years after 1947? Was there any knowledge then among the
intelligence agencies from any communication with these beings
about what their origin was?

Kewper: Nothing really. While I was there, the whole three
years, we never saw any information about where they came from
and what they were doing here. Nothing was ever brought out in
regards to that. My boss and I were both wondering about that:
Why were they here? Why would they come here? And where were
they from? During that period of time, as far as I know, the
government had no idea where they were from or what they were
trying to do here.

Howe: From a military and CIA point of view, were they
considered a threat?

Kewper: Not really a threat, but there was a questionable
threat; and they were working under that assumption to try to
increase the different radar around the country more so that
they could detect if they were coming in from outer space and be
able to get some type of scrambling from the Air Force's nearest
base to check it out or shoot them down or whatever.

Howe: Were you ever given a briefing or exposed to any other
information between 1957 and 1960 beyond that screening of the
autopsy/dissection film?

Kewper: I would say no, not during that time. We just had the
various foreign, a few domestic, but mostly foreign sightings
that we had gone over. We had people overseas who would go and
interview these people who had photographs of aliens outside of
a saucer, but nothing at that time. Basically I saw just the
film of the autopsy on that particular being; but, like I
mentioned, when I went to Area 51 in 1958 I did see another type
of a being where it was the peaked face, the great big eyes and
the little chin that has always been termed a "grey", I
believe.

Howe: Okay, can you describe that experience?

Kewper: We were out there for a meeting of all the CIA people
around this country and over towards the Far East and so on, and
we had the meeting there at Area 51. We were involved with this
Project Blue Book thing and they wanted the meeting there, so
some of us involved directly with itthere were only five of us
that went from [name of Army base deleted] and we were the only
five that had the meeting out there. They had meetings right in
the main buildings of the Air Force, a little base they had
there.

Howe: At Nellis AFB in Nevada.

Kewper: Yes. But we went out to Groom Lake area and the two
areas they had out there. They showed it to us, but only to us
and not to the CIA people from the Far East or from Central
America. They didn't go out there; it was only the five of us.
We landed at Area 51 at the main landing strip. Then we got into
a van-type of small minibus. After that, we didn't stop to get
into any other buildings there.

They took us down about 10 miles away, something of that
nature, and stopped at the first special area. And they took us
into the area there, and they had U-2s and also the SR-71
BlackbirdsI believe they were flying them at that time. We were
there a short period of time, and then we got back on the bus
and went about another eight miles to the third and final area
where they had highly classified material. We stopped there and
went into an office area first, and then a colonel there met us
and took us on a tour. He took us first of all down a walkway
into a hangar area that had been carved out. It might have been
a natural cave to start out with, but at least it was carved
out of the mountainside area. It was not extremely large.

Howe: Was this the Papoose mountain range?

Kewper: I wouldn't really know. I don't think I ever questioned
what the mountains were.

Howe: Okay, but so I am clear, this is a colonel who is joining
you and your CIA boss and three other CIA men in your program?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: Were there only six of you?

Kewper: Yes. As we passed through different areas, naturally
there were other workers and scientists working on different
things, and office personnel.

Howe: And did you understand what the reason was that your boss
was having you go to have this tour by this colonel?

Kewper: Yes. They wanted us to see the craft so when we looked
at pictures, trying to identify fake pictures from the real
thing, this would be a help to us. That was the main reason why
we were toured through the area to see the different types of
craft, so we could pick out the [hoaxed] "garbage can covers"
from the real craft.

Howe: So the six of you, with the colonel, your CIA boss,
yourself and these three other CIA men involved in this project,
you're going, literally moving, walking into a carved-out area
of a mountain?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: Can you describe exactly what you saw?

Kewper: As soon as we got in, the first thing we did see were
two small craft.

Howe: What colour were they?

Kewper: They were silver, kind of a silver finish to them; not
real shiny and bright, but basically silver.

Howe: What was the diameter?

Kewper: About 18 or 20 feet. They were quite small.

Howe: Were you allowed to go over and touch them?

Kewper: No. We were on a walkway area and couldn't get down
over to where the craft were actually sitting.

Howe: And how many others could you see?

Kewper: At least about seven, I think. There were some larger
ones that were in the rear towards the end that we could see
down there because they were probably 50 to 60 feet in
diameter.

Howe: Could you see any characteristics on these? Were any
different from another?

Kewper: They were all disc-shaped, but some had larger bottom
areas that extended down the same as the top, the top extending
up. And they were in different colours. The larger ones in the
rear were a real deep, real dark grey colour, and some of the
other ones were lighter in colour, but maybe like a light- or
medium-brown type of thing. The larger ones in the rear had
real large top units and large bottom units to them and were
sitting on metal saw-horses to hold them up off the ground.

Howe: And did the colonel try to explain, or did he have
knowledge or any understanding of the propulsion system of the
extraterrestrial craft?

Kewper: That question was asked, and he mentioned it was
electromagnetic/antigravitational-type engines. But some of the
craft had other propulsion systems also, but he didn't go into
great detail on other propulsions. Apparently it was like
antimatter propulsion on one of the units, something of that
nature.

And I saw they'd tried to reverse-engineer one craft, so part
of it was taken apart. They were trying to figure out how it
works, and he was explaining to us that there really was no
physical motor in that thing. The entire disc was like an
electronic circuit, and the aliens had to be inside of this
disc to complete the electronic circuit to make it fly. The Area
51 people knew that, because they had tried to make that one
fly. It was just like a battery electrical unit; it worked with
antigravitational/electromagnetic drive, but the whole saucer
itself was like the drive of the ship. It was all coated with
nickel inside and it was like a giant circuit, an electronic
circuit. And it took the aliens to complete the circuit because
they were tied right in with it: they had headbands they wore
that had detectors on, and they had finger-type board control
where they could fly the craft.

Howe: Those are the hand-imprinted, six-fingered control panels
that were with that autopsy film?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: And did you see the panels themselves actually there with
the craft?

Kewper: Yes. They were there with the craft. They were trying
to figure out the electronic circuitry because there was no
wiring of any kind that they could see. But later on when they
had it at Groom Lake, they had a couple of scientists there who
used microscopes to check over the fingertip-control harnessing
and found little fibres going out from it. They found out then
that it was a fibre optic type of electrical transmission
throughout the craft.

Howe: All done with light.

Kewper: Yes, it was light. The report I read originally said
that when they looked inside the craft it was glowing with a
real thin light inside from all the circuitry fibre optics.
Reverse-engineering of that is apparently where we got fibre
optics from.

Howe: What was the colonel saying to you about these discs in
relationship to where you were going next?

Kewper: He just stated that these are some of the craft we have
picked up and captured in different parts of the world.
Apparently some of them were even brought in from overseas from
some point or other, but I gathered that most were captured
within the US. He then mentioned that we were going back out to
the general office area and another smaller hangar area to see
the being, this extraterrestrial being, that they had there at
that time.

Howe: Try to walk us through what happened next.

Kewper: Okay. We went from the hangar area where the saucers
were, out to a covered walkway area and into an office complex,
I would call it, because it was a bunch of small rooms and
offices. They had a special room for viewing that had one-way
windows in itone-way mirrors, rather. We could look through the
window into this small office, and the being that was in there
was not able to see us through the mirror because there was a
mirror on his side.

Howe: And what happened?

Kewper: They said we could go in and talk to this being, and at
that time I chose not to go in. Years later, I wished I had, but
I chose not to go in because they did tell us that the being
spoke telepathically. The colonel had more terms added to it
other than telepathically, but the being wouldn't speak in any
manner that we could hear through our ears. So I chose to stay
out, and the other four people did go in.

Howe: Your boss, the three other CIA guys and the Colonel Jim?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: Now, can you describe the being exactly, from your
watching this and listening?

Kewper: What the colonel called him was a "grey". He had the
large head and bigger eyes, kind of slanted bigger eyes. He
looked like he was wearing sunglasses because the lenses were
real dark. He had kind of a slim face down to a peaked chin with
just a little nose area, a tiny slit of a mouth and just holes
in the side of his head for ear openings.

Howe: About how tall?

Kewper: About five feet, something like that.

Howe: What was the surface of the skin like in colour and
texture?

Kewper: Yeah, it was greyish looking, but it looked fairly
coarse, not like the smoothness of our skin.

Howe: Now what happened between your boss, the three CIA guys
and Colonel Jim in that room communicating with the being?

Kewper: My boss did ask him, "What are you doing here? And why
do you come here?" The only answer he got was, "We are not here
to conquer the Earth. We are not here to destroy anything. We
are here to add knowledge to humans so they can gain more
knowledge in different areas."

He [the CIA boss] said it was probably like a 16- or 20-letter
name where he was from, but he couldn't remember what the being
said. After he came out and we left, I asked him and he said,
"I don't remember what it was, but it was a real long name that
he had given us as far as where he was from." He'd asked if it
was a part of the galaxy or if that was his planet. He said the
being answered back to him that it was part of a galaxy he was
from. Not our galaxy, but a different galaxy.

Howe: A different galaxy?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: When the being had "telepathed" to your boss that it
wasn't here to hurt anything but to impart knowledge, how would
they impart knowledge to us if they weren't making themselves
public to the Earth in a straightforward way?

Kewper: I remember my boss mentioning that when he said that,
he denoted the creature was stretching the truth or lying just
by the tone of the answer, this type of thing; that he wasn't
telling the truth altogether, you know.

Howe: Did your boss and the other men explain to you how the
telepathic process went? What did they experience?

Kewper: They said they definitely weren't hearing a thing
through their ears and that the voice they heard more or less
was right in the mind itself. They could put their fingers in
their ears and they would still hear the being. One tried that;
he plugged both ears to see if he could still hear the being,
and he could.

Howe: Oh, you could see through the glass that one of the men
actually put his fingers in his ears?

Kewper: Yes, to see if he was actually hearing the being, and
he wasn't, but he just heard what the being said right in his
mind.

Howe: What was the sound of the being in his mind?

Kewper: He said the voice almost sounded like an electronically
reproduced voice. And now, of course, we have computers that can
talk to us and answer the phone with a computer voice. Back in
those days, that type of thing was just beginning with
computers. He said it didn't sound like a human voice: it
sounded like an electronic voice.

Howe: Neither male nor female?

Kewper: Neither one, sort of in between.

Howe: Why would the concept of a telepathic-communication being
bother you?

Kewper: Well, naturally, it's something I'd never run across
before; that would be a certain amount of bother, you know.

Howe: Did you ever learn in your work for the CIA what the
relationship was between the six-fingered beings and the grey
being?

Kewper: Nope, never did.

Howe: Did someone explain why this being was even being kept
there?

Kewper: No. They wouldn't tell us why he was kept there, how
long he had been there or anything like that. I think one of the
answers was, "We can't talk about that." I believe that was the
main answer.

Howe: And who at Area 51 seemed to be in control of this being?
Which agency?

Kewper: It was the Air Force, actually. The Air Force colonel
is the one we talked to.

Howe: Did this colonel or anybody explain to you what their
perception was of this grey being from the standpoint of whether
there was any kind of a threat?

Kewper: No, they didn't really consider it like a big threat,
but there was always this: "We don't know for sure, but we don't
think they are going to be harmful to us, but we don't really
know for sure. We can't say for sure that they are not trying to
invade, or checking us all out and checking out our military."
Because even at that time, the saucer sightings were always
around classified areas and any military bases, that type of
thing. So it looked almost like they were scouting, you know.

Howe: By the time you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA in
1960, did you have any further briefings about the beings, and
were they referred to as "extraterrestrials"?

Kewper: Yes, they were referred to as "extraterrestrials". Most
of the time they referred to the one out there as a "grey".

Howe: The one at Area 51?

Kewper: Yes. They just referred to it as a "grey".

Howe: Did they have any live six-fingered humanoids anywhere?

Kewper: No, not that I know of. That was one of the questions I
asked the military man on the way in thereif this was the same
kind of being. He'd mentioned they had a being that we were
going to look at, and I asked if it was the same being as
Roswell. He said no. And I asked if they had any beings like at
Roswell, and he said no.

Howe: And Roswellfrom your point of view in 1957 when you were
shown the six-fingered humanoid film, did it identify in the
introduction where exactly the six-fingered humanoids had been
retrieved from?

Kewper: They just said "near Roswell".

Howe: But they didn't specify?

Kewper: No, no. They didn't specify if that was the craft they
had captured near Roswell; they didn't specify that. They just
said "near Roswell", and I understand they had two or three
craft they had picked up there that same summer of 1947.

Howe: Did anyone talk about the weather balloon story as being
deliberately floated to obscure...?

Kewper: Yes, they did, and they said it was a cover story. The
weather balloon was a cover story.

Howe: To cover up the fact that extraterrestrials and craft
were retrieved.

Kewper: Yes. And I asked them why they covered this up. This
was 10 years later...

Howe: In 1957?

Kewper: Right, in 1958 [while visiting Area 51]. I asked him
[Colonel Jim], "Why do you continue to cover this up?" Well, he
said it was covered originally because the Cold War was just
starting and somebody up in the governmentI'm sure it was
probably President Trumanhad requested a tight cover on this
because with the Cold War starting and now having aliens flying
around, he thought it would be too much for the American public
all at once. But it was perpetuated, and even to this day they
are still covering it with balloon stories.

Howe: Now it is 1998. This is 40 years after you first saw the
16-mm black and white film of the six-fingered humanoid
dissection, and there still appears to be a policy of silence
and denial about this extraterrestrial interaction. Why do you
think the government has not told the United States and the
world what they know?

Kewper: You would think they would have by now. But I know that
at the same time through the Cold War era back in the 1950sI was
involved with itthe CIA in a lot of cases in regards to these
unidentified flying objects did contact and work with even the
Russians during that time of the Cold War to see what they had,
because the Russians had contacted us in regards to UFOs as
they had UFO sightings also. They contacted us because they
thought it might be some kind of advanced flying craft that we
had, and they were calling us to warn us to keep them out of
their area because they thought they were our craft. We told
them they were not ours.

Howe: If Russia and the United States were secretly trying to
talk with each other about an extraterrestrial presence, did you
ever have any further information over the last 40 years about
what our government's understanding of the agenda or intent of
these beings is by now?

Kewper: I know that we have worked together with Russia on
this, especially since the Gorbachev thing and we became more
friendly; and that Russia is involved with particle beam
weapons, too, from satellite and from ground. We had actually
given them the particle beam weapon to be able to shoot down any
of the saucer craft.

Howe: But why would we try to shoot down craft if we perceived
these beings to be benevolent?

Kewper: Well, it could be something that happened since that
time. I believe it would have happened over the [former] Soviet
Union because I know they had a big craft go over that was
almost like a mother ship, and they tried to shoot it down but
the thing just shot all the aircraft that they had pursuing it,
right out of the air in just a few seconds, with whatever
lasers or whatever they [alien craft] haddeath rays, something
like that.

Howe: What is the source of your information on this?

Kewper: This is through my friend, through my boss's son. When
he talked to me in 1993 he mentioned that they'd had an ugly
incident there where the aliens had actually attacked some type
of a military base from where they had sent the planes up to
attack [the mother ship].

Howe: Did you ever learn what type of being was in that craft?

Kewper: No, I didn't. Nobody did. It was a flyover-type thing
and nothing landed, so no one would know what was actually in
there. But I know the big craft contained many small saucer
craft; it was almost like an aircraft carrier, like we would
have with airplanes on it.

Howe: So, in summary, you went from 1957 to 1960 seeing these
highly classified reports about extraterrestrial beings,
technology and craft. You actually saw 16-mm black and white
autopsy/dissection film of the six-fingered humanoid when you
were in the CIA. You actually went to Nevada, to Nellis AFB and
Area 51, where you personally saw at least seven different
craft and the live being that was described as a "grey" with
large black eyes and was different from the six-fingered
humanoid. And yet, when you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA
work in 1960, there was still no understanding about the
relationship between those beings or why they were there.

Kewper: Yes, that's right; one- hundred-per-cent right. At that
time there was a question mark, a big question mark as to why
they were here. In some casesapparently some of the US
sightingsthey were tremendously friendly.

Howe: Were friendly?

Kewper: Yes, were friendly. And, of course, there were all the
abduction things that came out later. There weren't any in that
original Blue Book file that I had seen at that time in Blue
Book. I know there were quite a few later that said they were
abducted.

Howe: And did you ever see any references to animal mutilations
or unusual deaths?

Kewper: Yes. At that time we had it out in Colorado, I think. I
saw some of those. Different parts of the animal were taken like
samplesthe stomachs in some, sex organs in othersand [the
animals were] apparently mutilated with a laser weapon of some
kind that left very precise cutting edges.

Howe: Did you read about any such cases in that 1957 to 1960
time period?

Kewper: Yes, especially from Colorado.

Howe: Even back then?

Kewper: Yes.

Howe: And was there speculation on the part of the Central
Intelligence Agency or the military about the relationship
between these unusual animal deaths and the extraterrestrials?

Kewper: Yes. The only thought at that time, if I remember
correctly, is that they [extraterrestrials] were taking samples
of these various animals on the Earth just to see more or less
what their different functions were...

Howe: Do you think that this story should be told in its
entirety today?

Kewper: Yes, I think it should. I think it would be helpful in
explaining it, first of all. We still have a lot of sightings to
this day and age.

Howe: And this is why you're talking to me?

Kewper: Yes.



EPILOGUE:

After this audiotaped interview was broadcast on the North
American syndicated radio programs Dreamland and Coast To Coast
AM Hosted by Art Bell, I learned from Kewper that he'd contacted
a phone company executive in his city to inquire about the
source of the anonymous call to him on May 25. He was told that
the source was the Wackenhut Corporationa security operation
that works for the National Reconnaissance Office and other
sensitive military and intelligence agencies in the United
States.

More than 50 years after the 1947 Roswell incident, a major
question is: What do the United States, England, Australia other
American ally government insidersand, according to Kewper, even
Russiaknow which sustains the Orwellian policy of silence and
denial in which lies are ordered to become official truth?...as
written so strongly in SOM1-01, the Majestic–12 Group
Special Operations Manual of April 1954:

Any encounter with entities known to be of extraterrestrial
origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security
and therefore classified TOP SECRET. Under no circumstance is
the general public or the public press to learn of the existence
of these entities. The official government policy is that such
creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal
government is now engaged in any study of extraterrestrials or
their artifacts. Any deviation from this stated policy is
absolutely forbidden.

What will it take to change this policy instigated by US
President Harry S. Truman's Executive Order in 1947? What
military-industrial-complex interests are so vested in
perpetuating the suppression, and why? It seems a right of the
entire global human family to know that we are not alone in this
universe, and that extraterrestrial biological entities and
other-dimensional entities have been interacting with this
planet for aeons, affecting our biological, social and
religious evolutions. But why?

Note: If any readers have more information, please fax Linda
Moulton Howe in the USA on (215) 491 9842, or write to her as
per details on the first page of this article.



About the Author:

Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University, USA,
and has a Masters Degree in Communication. She is a science and
environmental reporter for radio and television. Her film
documentaries, A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993,
explored the worldwide animal mutilations phenomenon. Her books
include An Alien Harvest, Glimpses of Other
Realities–Volume I: Facts & Eyewitnesses, and, most
recently, Glimpses of Other Realities–Volume II: High
Strangeness (Paper Chase Press, USA, phone (702) 826 5947; see
review this issue).

Ms Howe's investigations have taken in such diverse subjects as
crop circles, the chupacabras mystery, humanity's hidden
history, and the evidence for UFOs and ETs, including research
into the alleged Roswell UFO crash fragments and government
knowledge and cover-up of non-human intelligences interacting
with our planet.

---------------

Extracted from Nexus Magazine,
Volume 5, #5 (August-September '98).
PO Box 30, Mapleton,
Qld 4560 Australia.
nexus@peg.apc.org
Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;
Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381






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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:56:53 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:34:25 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>From: "Ted Viens" <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:41:52 -0500


>>Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:51:50 -0500
>>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>>To: UFO Updates List <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: J. Bond Johnson-Roswell Photographer

>>>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:33:17 -0500
>>>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>>>Subject: J. Bond Johnson
>>>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

[snip]

Hi Ted, et.al -

>More important is what I still see. I see the missed
>opportunities of investigators obsessing over highly manipulated
>obscure details when there is so much practical detail to be
>exracted from the photos. For instance, in one photo, General
>Ramey is holding a telegram with a couple of lines blurred but
>visible. If a researchers photo processing cannot resolve this
>printed english what possible chance would they have of
>resolving something unknown and unfamiliar? What is on this
>telegram?

We did try to read the telegram but were unable to resolve the
type. A few letters of a couple of words were clear enough to
read but they added nothing to our knowledge and did not help
in understanding what was on the paper Ramey held. We tried
a number of things with these photographs, working with copies
purchased from UTA.

>Not all Radar Reflectors were made of identical materials in
>identical forms. A perceptive Weather Officer, in service at the
>time, might be able to distinguish one from another and could
>tell from looking at the photos whether the reflector
>photographed was in use near Roswell, or near Fort Worth, or
>exclusively by the Project Mogul teams. Those with this skill
>grow fewer with the passing time and their memory grows dimmer.
>Imagine the implications if a retired Weather Officer was able
>to say, "Sure, I recognize those targets. But, they were only in
>use in Texas and not at the New Mexico bases." Or even to say
>that the Roswell targets looked just like those in the pictures.

We spoke to a number of weather men who recognized the targets
for what they were. But they were generic targets that were
indistinguishable from their counterparts. Irving Newton, the FW
weather officer in one of the pictures said they didn't normally
launch rawins from FW. I asked him where he would get one if
required to do so and he replied Lawton. That is, Ft. Sill, the
artillery base in Oklahoma, which, is not all that far from FW.

>One more thing: The two courteous and helpful women behind the
>desk at the Collections were very concerned about one thing.
>Publication Fees, royalties, that fair use fee that you would
>pay another for the use of their property. Four of the five or
>so photos taken by James Bond Johnson on that fateful July day
>in 1947 are owned by UTA and they would like to be paid for
>their use. Even here the rates are reasonable. They believe that
>the electronic fees will match the Video, Film rates which are
>$100.00 for Worldwide Distribution. Probably to be assessed per
>Web site. So, flat out retail, one could get 4 original prints
>and publish them and any analysis of them for $496.00. Not even
>bad at that price. But, fear not, they will entertain pleas of
>poverty and strife.

They are not the only ones claiming ownership. Bettmann Photo
Archives of New York City also has copies of the pictures to sell
but they rates are much higher. I mention this only so that it is
clear that we have done our research on the these photographs.

>So, there you have my take on the James Bond Johnson
>photographs. Clearly a radar reflector target. Clearly still
>able to tell us much more.

And Johnson could have been a real help in understanding what
happened in General Ramey's office until he decided to change
his story and claim that Ramey didn't know what it was until
sometime later. Johnson's story has become so much better and
has expanded to such a degree that it is now virtually useless.
I mean, he is now claiming that he opened the packages
containing the debris while waiting for General Ramey. Get real.

I'm not sure what more we could have done in 1989 and 1990 as we
worked on this aspect of the case. I had thought that it was
finished until Johnson started telling this new story and
diverted our attention from the aspects that were important.

KRandle







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                      Re: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:21 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:37:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:13:03 +0200
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
>>Subject: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>>>Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:01:51 EDT
>>>Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:15:16 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Meier Pictures

Jim, Jeroen,...you wrote:

>>>According to Meier and those dumb enough to _still_ believe in
>>>him, Meier has a small pond surrounded by various one arm made
>>>(Meier made) "crystals" of various bright colors. These
>>>crystals, according to Meier's people at his cult, are aligned
>>>and tuned into the right vibrational frequencies so as to
>>>protect Meier from harm, danger and people with bad intentions,
>>>such as those that want to expose the truth about him, etc.

>><snip>

>>>But back to the Pleiadian Physics. Meier is protected by this
>>>crystal garden and therefore all bullets are going to miss him
>>>and go astray and befuddle even the best of the dreaded
>>>assassins.

>>Hi List,

>>When I asked a member of Meier's group whether this was true, he
>>answered that the water pond Korff is discussing here has no
>>esoteric meaning at all and that Korff's Pleidian Physics story
>>is fantasy.

Hold on a sec Jeroen, the part of Kal's posting you mention came
from a message that all in all had a _VERY_ sarcastic tone, and
I don't know if you should take it literaly.

The argument that you asked a member of the Meier-cult doesn't
really do it for me aswell. When i tried to contact FIGU on a
completely different matter, I was given different answers on
the same questions from them. Also to me it is the same than
trying to get an abused wife to leave her husband, won't work!

Why?

Simply because she absolutely 'believes' in her husband. Sure
honey I'm gonna change, it wasn't meant to be that hard...new
excuse everytime. Same with Meier's followers, no matter how
many facts you shuff under there nose, they _do_not_want_to_
listen_! They just KNOW you're wrong and they're right... :)


>>Nevertheless, thanks to Kal Korff, for bringing this particular
>>false claim in his book _Spaceships of the Pleiades: the Billy
>>Meier story_ (pp. 90-91) to my attention, it has been added to
>>the online overview of errors, distortions and other sorts of
>>disinformation which can be found in the previously mentioned
>>book. The overview can be found at the following URLs:

>>http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/start1.htm

>>http://www.bart.nl/~edzmath/starta.htm
>>(this is the version without JavaScript; for older browsers).

>>Jeroen Jansen

>Hello List,

>To Jeroen's report I could add, also from his source, that the
>simple reason the pond was built was to bring pleasure to the
>people who look at it. But Korff must have known this, since in
>his book on the Meier case, p. 90, he mentions that he had asked
>one Simone, a Meier-case supporter, when at Schmidrueti if the
>colored glass in the garden pond consisted of real crystals. She
>told him "No," they were just colored glass.

>On the following page his figure caption says that Meier and his
>followers call this construction the "Pleiadian Crystal
>Channeling Garden Water Pond." However, they call it no such
>thing, rather they call it "M=E4rchenweiher," which means "fairy
>tale pond."

For once Meier is truthfull...fairy-tales...that all he sells to
the people guillible enough to still believe him. Too bad there
still are some UFO researchers amongst that believing crowd.


>With that important issue taken care of, perhaps Korff could be
>induced to discuss those parallel or congruent sets of
>quasi-horizontal scratch-like marks that appear on some of his
>Meier photos presented in his book (of which no such marks
>showed on Wendelle Stevens' 2nd-generation photo material
>derived from Meier's originals). For many months Korff has
>refused to respond to our previous requests on this. Why did he
>not immediately notice that such marks in no way resemble a UFO
>model support line? As anyone knows who has hung a piece of
>clothing on an empty clothesline, at the point of suspension
>above the hung clothing the support line takes on a shallow V
>configuration. The point of the V is the point of suspension.
>Same with a suspended model UFO. None of the scratch-like marks
>on Korff's photo reproductions show any such configuration or
>perturbation. This should have been immediately obvious to a UFO
>investigator.

The V wouldn't _have_ to be visible. But why bother about the
indeed somewhat sloppy parts of Kal's research, if there has
been proven _over_and_over_again_ that Meier is an absolute
fraud.

Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
Janssen?

Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
excuse Meier came up with?

Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

Remember even his wife saying it'a all a hoax. (Ever since the
'70s! Meier claims so himself!)

Remember Meier was seen purchasing helium several times.

Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

Etc., etc., etc.

The list above makes you wonder why Meier is still an issue...
Maybe we should accept Rael as truthfull as well, or maybe the
Heaven's Gate cult was right also...


A surprised and wonderin'

Andy Denne
(A.U.R.A.)
The Netherlands





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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:48:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:51:10 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:10:27 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>>>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:33:17 -0500
>>>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>>>Subject: J. Bond Johnson
>>>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>
>>Back on June 15th there was an Updates post which had been sent
>>by Francis Ridge to Current-Encounters at AOL.
>
>>The subject was the Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson written by
>>R. J. Durant.
>
>>Regardless of what anyone thinks the debris photos taken by JBJ
>>do and do not show, JBJ is serious about taking another look at
>>them. This is _no_joke_ to him!
>>(SNIP)
>>Dave Vetterick


>Dear Mr. Vetterick:

>I _did_ interview J. Bond Johnson in 1989 and 1990. The story he
>told me then was significantly different from that he tells
>today. One of the major changes is that he now claims that
>General Ramey first told him he didn't know what the debris was.
>He told me that General Ramey told him, while he was taking the
>pictures, that General Ramey said it was all a weather balloon.
>He said that more than once during my interviews.

>He also said that he wrote the July 9 Fort Worth Star-Telegram
>story, which he now denies that he wrote.

>He now claims that there was "real" debris in Ramey's office.
>There is no evidence of that, and his original claims support
>that point of view. His latest "news" releases do not agree with
>the facts. He was not the Roswell photographer but the Fort
>Worth photographer.

>With his latest claim that there was "real" debris in the
>photographs, he has done more harm to the Roswell case than the
>debunkers.

>BTW I tried to discuss this with him back in 1991 but he chose
>not to respond. I have tried to engage in a dialogue about this,
>but Dr. Johnson has not responded. Instead he makes his own
>false claims in various arenas. The sad thing is that had he
>stuck to his original story, he would have had something
>important to contribute. Now, he is just doing damage to the

>If a failure to respond is an indication of the false nature of
>the claims, then Johnson is as guilty as you suggest Durant will
>be. Remember one thing, there are tapes of my interviews with
>Johnson, he has had copies for years, I recently sent them
>again, and he has not responded, other than with an oblique
>threat of a lawsuit. I'm sorry, but the Johnson story of today
>does not track with the testimony of others or what he said in
>the very beginning.

>KRandle

Kevin, thanks for the reply. I'm aware that you interviewed JBJ
in 1989-90.

I'm also well aware of your points regarding how JBJ has changed
his story. I'm not arguing any of this in support of you or JBJ,
nor am I vouching for any of his current claims about the
photos.

I do agree with JBJ that if it hadn't already been done, an
analysis of the photos using today's technology was in order.
Which is sort of how all this got started in the first place.
But that's another story.

What I am objecting to is what appears to be deliberate
misrepresentations by Durant of what JBJ has said and done. Like
I said in the my previous message, it's immaterial whether one
agrees or not with what JBJ says he now sees in the enhanced
version of the photos.

Everyone is free to make up their own minds about what the
enhancements show, or don't show, just like everyone has
regarding the AA film.

JBJ should make available, if he hasn't done so, the
enhancements showing what he feels shows the "real" debris and
let everyone express their own opinion. If he is the only person
alive who sees these anomalies then he'll have perhaps
discredited himself. But this is not the point of my previous
message.

I disagree JBJ has done more harm with this than the debunkers.
The debunkers who use outright fabrications to discredit someone
who simply states his opinion are the ones I really have a
problem with. They should be exposed immediately.

I don't know if Mr. Durant considers himself a debunker or not,
and don't really care. My information is that much of what
Durant put in his article is a misrepresentation if not flat out
lies. If I'm proven wrong I'll be the first to apologize, and
beg Mr. Durant and everyone on this list for forgiveness.

What really got me going was when JBJ told me he has had no
contact with Durant whatsoever. Looking into it further I found
many other things that appear to be out & out fabrications on
Durant's part.

I'm not vouching for anything JBJ says re the photos or what
happened in 1947. What I am addressing is what appears to be one
more person who feels he can just make things up as he goes
along and pass them off as factual when they are not.

I stand corrected on JBJ's being the FWS photographer and not
the Roswell Photographer. Semantics, but being accurate is what
this is about.

The bottom line is everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
free to express it. But one is not entitled to make up false and
misleading statements about people just to express it, or to get
attention.

Kevin, you've expressed your opinions and made your points about
JBJ. He can respond to them or not and everyone can draw their
own conclusions from there.

I'm simply pointing out to everyone what I have reason to
believe are deliberate lies, and am asking for substantiation or
an admission of putting forth bad information. If there is no
response, I rest my case just as you have.

Dave Vetterick







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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:07:46 _0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:45:18 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Interpretation Is A Many-Sided Thing

>From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
>Subject: UFO Interpretation Is A Many_Sided Thing
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:07:04 +0200

>The X_Files series is a Sunday Times feature
>August 9, with many interesting articles, see

>http://www.sunday_times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/98/0
>8/09/x_stixficon01001.html?2510145

>In one of them Sunday Times contributor Georgina
>Howell tells of her recent UFO experience and the
>many interpretations it received. URL:

>http://www.sunday_times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/98/0
>8/09/x_stixfixfi01012.html?2510145

>Stig

>*******

>Sunday August 9 1998

>THE X_FILES

>One Glance At The Shining Metallic Object In The
>Sky Changed This Writer'S Life For Ever.

>By Georgina Howell

>On Friday, May 30, 1997,

This is probably the way it will happen. One by one, skeptics,
believers, agnostics, and even those who simply do not care will
look up into the sky quite innocently and see something that
_doesn't_belong_there!

As Georgina Howell has so eloquently stated, the sighting has,
"Changed This Writer's Life For Ever. " She's right. Just _one_
sighting will do that for you. It will stick in your head and
replay itself over and over begging an answer. It quite simply
shatters your whole world view in an instant. Ms Howell (as out
of control as it may sound to some) is not exagerating. It _is_
that powerful an experience. All of the ceaseless and heated
debates in the world couldn't produce a statement like hers!  I
guess you really do have to 'see it to believe it' in some
cases. It's a crying shame that we live in a world where a mans
word has no value. We simply don't believe anything any of our
neighbors is reporting. For some folks Philip Klass's judgement
on abductees typifys their attitude in general, "They're just
little nobodys that want to get on TV." And it's real
comfortable to go through life that way feeling all smug and
superior until 'one day' you happen to look up and see something
that changes _everything_ that follows
it for the rest of your life.

If you are one of those who insist that there is absolutely
nothing to any of this UFO business, I cordially invite you to
spend some time (quiet, peaceful, contemplative time) simply
sitting in your yard looking up into the sky. Armed with a
lounge chair, iced tea, and binoculars or a camera it is a
wonderful (and possibly fruitful) way to spend a hot, lazy
summer afternoon. Nothing
ventured, nothing lost. <G>

Who knows, you may actually _see something_ that not only
changes your mind, but like our friend Ms. Howell it'll, . . .

"Change Your Life For Ever!" <EG>

Peace,

John Velez (Still getting _daylight_ video over New York!)








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                   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:35:06 +0100
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Subject: Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence


>From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
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>Subject: UFO UpDate: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence
>Date: 10 August 1998 11:31

>From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
>Subject: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

>From: Nexus Magazine Volume 5, #5
>(August-September '98).

>http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/


>UFOs & EBEs
>More Insider Evidence

>This testimony from a former US Army Signal Corps and CIA
>officer is the latest to confirm that the US government and
>military are withholding the facts about extraterrestrial craft
>and biological entities.

>by Linda Moulton Howe =A9 1998
>LMH Productions
>PO Box 300, Jamison, PA 18929-0300, USA
>Telephone: (215) 491 9840
>Fax: +1 (215) 491 9842
>by Linda Moulton Howe =A9 1998

>Since my new book, Glimpses of Other Realities Volume II: High
>Strangeness, was released to nationwide US bookstores on April
>1, 1998, I have heard from several ex-military and
>ex-intelligence people from around the country. They say the
>documents and military voices in my new book have true
>information about United States Government knowledge and
>cover-up of non-humans interacting with Earth.

>And a month ago, in May, I was put in phone contact with a man
>I will simply call "Kewper" to protect his identity at his
>request. Kewper served as a First Lieutenant with the US Army
>Signal Corps and was a CIA administrator at an Army base in the
>southeastern USA from 1957 to 1960. He provided his DD-214 and
>Certificate of Discharge along with a 1956 newspaper article
>about his being drafted. That civilian name and Army Signal
>Corps base of operations were consistent with the Army discharge
>papers.

<snip>

>When I first talked with Kewper a month ago, he said his
>security oaths expired 30 to 35 years after he got out of the
>Army and CIA in 1960. So that period ended around 1995.
>Therefore, he said, he now feels he's not doing anything wrong
>by discussing with me his extraordinary first-hand knowledge and
>experiences concerning "extraterrestrials"as he said they were
>referred to in the Top Secret classified files he'd read and
>analysed. However, a month ago he was not certain he wanted to
>go on the public record.

I was always under the impression that they never expired, as such.

>On Saturday, May 30, I called him again to ask if he might now
>be willing to do a radio interview as long as his real civilian
>name was withheld. Since 1993 I have been reporting science and
>environmental news for the nationally syndicated Chancellor
>Radio Broadcasting Network. Kewper surprised me when he
>immediately said, "I'm afraid your phone is tapped." He'd had a
>call on Monday, May 25 from a man who did not explain who he was
>or for whom he worked, and did not address Kewper by name but
>simply started talking. And this is what Kewper told me on the
>record, under the condition that I edit out subjects that the
>unidentified caller said were still sensitive. Those edits are
>indicated by parenthesis notes in the following interview first
>broadcast on the North American syndicated radio programs
>Dreamland, on May 31, 1998, and Coast to Coast AM Hosted by Art
>Bell on all-night radio, June 1-2, 1998:

And you have the tapes of this mysterious caller?

>Howe: You answered the phone and they said...?

>Kewper: Yeah, they didn't repeat my name. They just said: "We
>understand that you had a conversation with somebody in
>Pennsylvania in regards to classified materials that had been
>classified, and we would appreciate it if you didn't bring up
>the fact in an interview or television interviews in regards to
>[Army base name deleted] that you had mentioned on the
>telephone, and also about anything going on in the [CIA aerial
>logistics deleted] or anything in regard to that. We would
>really appreciate it because reporters and just interested
>people, if it gets aired, may try to get into the classified
>area thereand, of course, to their own physical harm."

>Howe: They did not say that you could not talk about the
>six-fingered humanoid film?

>Kewper: No; nothing like that.

So they were supposedly more concerned about CIA ops than information
about aliens!

<snip>

>Howe: Now, in the course of this work from 1957 to 1960, did
>you see any 16-mm films related to this phenomenon?

>Kewper: In regard to UFOs in Roswell, you mean?

>Howe: Right.

>Kewper: The only film I saw is the one that has been released
>in the last couple of years showing an alien autopsy. I saw that
>very same film in 1957.

Maybe it was made in Milton-Keynes as well!

>Howe: And what were the circumstances in which you saw this?

>Kewper: It was in regard to studying UFOs, in working up and
>going through and trying to cover or investigate some of these
>folders we had in regard to the different sightings. Apparently
>someone at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, sent that film to my boss.
>The team viewed the thing one Saturday morning and he had to
>send it right back to Fort Belvoir again. But we did see that
>one. And we also saw several other at that time highly
>classified UFO sightings on film. We had one film showing a UFO
>actually developing or materialising over a power plant out in
>one of the western states like Oregon or Washington or
>Utahsomewhere out in that area.

Note the convenient omission or important details on the one
hand and supposed specifics on the other. All the hallmarks of
BS.

<snip>

>Howe: Now, how was the autopsy/dissection of the six-fingered
>humanoid film presented to you? What was the explanation of how
>this had occurred?

>Kewper: They just said that this was done at Roswell, the same
>day or day afterthe same, I thinkthe craft was picked up at
>night; that some time during the next day this autopsy was
>performed there at the military base, and also an autopsy was
>performed in town in the little clinic or hospital they have
>there.

Talk about fitting new 'facts' into old fantasy

>Howe: Now that would contradict the statement released with the
>autopsy/dissection film by the alleged cameraman who said he was
>there and filmed the wreckage and the beams that had the
>symbols, and that about two weeks later, I believe, he was
>asked to go to some place to film the autopsy dissection. Do you
>know how to reconcile these two pieces of information?

Milton Keynes, concrete cows.

>Kewper: No, I don't, because we were toldit mentioned right in
>the filmthat it was done in New Mexico, that most of the film
>was done right there at the military base outside of Roswell
>and that some little parts of the film were done at the local
>hospital or clinic.

>Howe: And what was the briefing to you about these six-fingered
>humanoids? How were they described? Was there any information?

>Kewper: There was little info in regards to that. The film was
>about 10 years old at that time, and they just said this was the
>only film that we have of the aliens and the body. There are
>pictures that have been taken by different private people
>showing these aliens walking around outside their craft,
>something like that, but this is the only film that we have
>that shows a close picture of the aliens and exactly what they
>look like. So, if you run across any more of these sightings
>that people have sent in that describe this particular being,
>then you can match them up according to this.

>Howe: Was the film you saw in black and white or colour?

>Kewper: It was black and white.

>Howe: And did you ever see any colour film or photographs of
>these beings?

>Kewper: No, not of the beings. The only coloured film I
>remembered seeing was of that spaceship materialising.

Are you sure that this was not an early episode of 'Lost in
Space?

<snip>

>Howe: Were you allowed to go over and touch them?

>Kewper: No. We were on a walkway area and couldn't get down
>over to where the craft were actually sitting.

>Howe: And how many others could you see?

>Kewper: At least about seven, I think. There were some larger
>ones that were in the rear towards the end that we could see
>down there because they were probably 50 to 60 feet in
>diameter.

>Howe: Could you see any characteristics on these? Were any
>different from another?

>Kewper: They were all disc-shaped, but some had larger bottom
>areas that extended down the same as the top, the top extending
>up. And they were in different colours. The larger ones in the
>rear were a real deep, real dark grey colour, and some of the
>other ones were lighter in colour, but maybe like a light- or
>medium-brown type of thing. The larger ones in the rear had
>real large top units and large bottom units to them and were
>sitting on metal saw-horses to hold them up off the ground.

>Howe: And did the colonel try to explain, or did he have
>knowledge or any understanding of the propulsion system of the
>extraterrestrial craft?

>Kewper: That question was asked, and he mentioned it was
>electromagnetic/antigravitational-type engines. But some of the
>craft had other propulsion systems also, but he didn't go into
>great detail on other propulsions. Apparently it was like
>antimatter propulsion on one of the units, something of that
>nature.

In fact the saucers at S4 were specifically built in order to
counter increased Russian intrusions into NATO airspace. Some
were tested at S4 from 1958 and they used a variety of
propuslion systems none of which were to do witht he fantast of
'antgravity'.

Radial flow engine more like.

<snip>

>Howe: Those are the hand-imprinted, six-fingered control panels
>that were with that autopsy film?

>Kewper: Yes.

>Howe: And did you see the panels themselves actually there with
>the craft?

>Kewper: Yes. They were there with the craft. They were trying
>to figure out the electronic circuitry because there was no
>wiring of any kind that they could see. But later on when they
>had it at Groom Lake, they had a couple of scientists there who
>used microscopes to check over the fingertip-control harnessing
>and found little fibres going out from it. They found out then
>that it was a fibre optic type of electrical transmission
>throughout the craft.

Shades of Corso interspersed with Lazar.

<snip>

>Howe: So, in summary, you went from 1957 to 1960 seeing these
>highly classified reports about extraterrestrial beings,
>technology and craft. You actually saw 16-mm black and white
>autopsy/dissection film of the six-fingered humanoid when you
>were in the CIA. You actually went to Nevada, to Nellis AFB and
>Area 51, where you personally saw at least seven different
>craft and the live being that was described as a "grey" with
>large black eyes and was different from the six-fingered
>humanoid. And yet, when you left the Army Signal Corps and CIA
>work in 1960, there was still no understanding about the
>relationship between those beings or why they were there.

It is frankly unbelievable that anyone with so little experience
would be given access to such information. In any case, other
reports of these fictional Roswell aliens suggest four and/or
five fingered creatures.

<snip>

>Howe: And did you ever see any references to animal mutilations
>or unusual deaths?

>Kewper: Yes. At that time we had it out in Colorado, I think. I
>saw some of those. Different parts of the animal were taken like
>samplesthe stomachs in some, sex organs in other sand [the
>animals were] apparently mutilated with a laser weapon of some
>kind that left very precise cutting edges.

This fiction has already appeared in several forms and the guy
provides no new evidence beyond supposed dates to support his
testimony?

>More than 50 years after the 1947 Roswell incident, a major
>question is: What do the United States, England, Australia other
>American ally government insidersand, according to Kewper, even
>Russiaknow which sustains the Orwellian policy of silence and
>denial in which lies are ordered to become official truth?...as
>written so strongly in SOM1-01, the Majestic-12 Group
>Special Operations Manual of April 1954:

>Any encounter with entities known to be of extraterrestrial
>origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security
>and therefore classified TOP SECRET. Under no circumstance is
>the general public or the public press to learn of the existence
>of these entities. The official government policy is that such
>creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal
>government is now engaged in any study of extraterrestrials or
>their artifacts. Any deviation from this stated policy is
>absolutely forbidden.

In which case why is this guy allowed to spill the beans?

>What will it take to change this policy instigated by US
>President Harry S. Truman's Executive Order in 1947? What
>military-industrial-complex interests are so vested in
>perpetuating the suppression, and why? It seems a right of the
>entire global human family to know that we are not alone in this
>universe, and that extraterrestrial biological entities and
>other-dimensional entities have been interacting with this
>planet for aeons, affecting our biological, social and
>religious evolutions. But why?

>Note: If any readers have more information, please fax Linda
>Moulton Howe in the USA on (215) 491 9842, or write to her as
>per details on the first page of this article.

>About the Author:

>Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University, USA,
>and has a Masters Degree in Communication. She is a science and
>environmental reporter for radio and television. Her film
>documentaries, A Strange Harvest and Strange Harvests 1993,
>explored the worldwide animal mutilations phenomenon. Her books
>include An Alien Harvest, Glimpses of Other
>Realities–Volume I: Facts & Eyewitnesses, and, most
>recently, Glimpses of Other Realities–Volume II: High
>Strangeness (Paper Chase Press, USA, phone (702) 826 5947; see
>review this issue).

It has never adequately been explained to us the full story
about Howe's involvement with people like Richard Doty. neither
has she explained to us how she was able to appear in the UK a
few years ago knowing about a UFO flap weeks before it happened.

See Derek Sheffields' book on the Belgian UFO flap...

>Ms Howe's investigations have taken in such diverse subjects as
>crop circles, the chupacabras mystery, humanity's hidden
>history, and the evidence for UFOs and ETs, including research
>into the alleged Roswell UFO crash fragments and government
>knowledge and cover-up of non-human intelligences interacting
>with our planet.

Are we seriously expected to believe this drivel?

It is simply a fictional cover pushed by a small number of
familiar people with no evidence to support it.

The military are more than happy with aliens and no wonder
sensible people like myself are leaving the UFO community in
droves. This is pure science fiction and it's use is to hide the
reality behind flying saucers and other low aspect ratio
aircraft.

Tim Matthews






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                   Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:33:18 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:33:18 -0400
Subject: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'



Source: Jeff Rense's Sightings Homepage

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/corsoexpose.htm

Korff and Brad Sparks Claim Corso-Birnes Roswell Book Exposed
From Kal Korff
c/o TotlResrch@aol.com


Note - Replies and responses are welcomed and encouraged.


EXCLUSIVE EXPOSE! Colonel Philip Corso and William Birnes'
Bestselling Book Exposed as a Hoax! By Brad C. Sparks

Philip Corso's Roswellmania

The only thing "extraterrestrial" in Philip Corso's book "The
Day After Roswell" (Pocket Books/Simon & Schuster, 1997), is the
height of his tall tales, certainly the tallest Roswell tales to
date. His thesis of course (for those of you blessed with not
hearing this rubbish before) is that many of our high-tech
advances such as microcircuits (and the transistor before IC's),
lasers, fiber optics, microwave ovens, Star Wars SDI weapons,
etc., all actually came from "reverse engineering" the alien
technology found in the crashed UFO near Roswell, New Mexico, in
July 1947 -- a feat largely made possible by Corso himself when
he purportedly divvied up the alien goodies while working at
Army R&D in the early 60's. But in his haste to cash in on
Roswellmania he has made some fantastic blunders of history that
completely expose him as a fraud in the most embarrassing way.

Corso just can't resist putting himself at the center stage of
great events of history, courted by the big names such as Robert
Kennedy and his "old friend" J. Edgar Hoover (Corso's "other
book" is called "I Walked With Giants"), and he is ever the
powerful hero. (pp. 2, 37, 84, 156, 191, 206-209, 255) But he
trips on his way up the ladder to the stage. Corso has
apparently made a cynical calculation that he'll be able to make
his bundle and retreat before anyone can develop a sufficient
publicity base to expose him, so there was no need to research
his lies to get them perfect.

The only thing he has carefully avoided is getting trapped into
endorsing a particular Roswell crash site or timeline from the
multitude now being promoted. He can't clarify the confusion for
us because he pretends he doesn t remember too clearly these
elementary details of the date and location of what he claims is
the single most important event in human history (pp. 5, passim)
-- to say nothing of his military career -- even though he
claims he had two years to pore over the TOP SECRET Roswell
files while at Army R&D headquarters. Instead, all he really
knows is what happened the "DAY AFTER" Roswell, starting from
when the alien material was transported -- hence the title of
the book (p. 55). How convenient? (Page references are to the
edition of Corso's book minus the now withdrawn preface by Sen.
Strom Thurmond.)

Corso tells how he personally intimidated the CIA director of
covert operations to get him to stop his CIA agents from
following Corso around.

This is part of Corso's story of how he got the job of
exploiting alien technology as head of the Foreign Technology
desk of Army R&D in "early 1961" (pp. 50, 63-64, 177). The alien
microchips and other technology had been recovered from Roswell
decades earlier but gathered dust in one filing cabinet,
together with extensive files and documents on the case, until
genius Corso came along and figured out what to do with it. A
"couple of days" before he was officially expected to begin at
the Pentagon (p. 37), he was led through back door means to meet
his new boss and old friend, Lt. Gen. Arthur Trudeau, head of
Army R&D. (His military records indicate he arrived at Army R&D
Hq in the Pentagon from Baltimore on May 5, 1961.) This was
supposedly done so that no one would know officially that Corso
was inside the Pentagon yet and so he wouldn't be followed.
Corso asked why he couldn't go through the "front door." Trudeau
allegedly replied "Because they're already watching you, Phil."
Thus Corso learned he was being tailed by CIA personnel (pp. 37,
44, 87, 107, 174, 185), but he was determined to not play along.

Corso claims he marched right past a startled secretary and into
the office of the CIA director of covert operations, Frank
"Wiesner" (sic), at CIA headquarters in "Langley, Virginia," and
told him off (p. 87). As indicated above, this must have been "a
couple of days" after the initial meeting with Gen. Trudeau, in
early May 1961. Keep this date in mind as you read on, as it
explodes Corso's story as a tissue of lies. Corso claims he
warned "Wiesner" that he would start carrying a gun and if he
ever found a CIA man following him again, the agent's body would
later be found with bullet holes in his head. Later in 1961,
"Wiesner" himself was found dead by hanging in a London hotel
room, the victim of suicide, Corso claims (p. 87). Better not
tangle with that Corso, no telling what might happen!

Problem is that Frank G. Wisner (not "Wiesner") had been
hospitalized and replaced as top CIA covert operator nearly
three years earlier in August 1958, first by an acting covert
operations director Richard M. Helms and then by Wisner's
permanent replacement, Richard M. Bissell, on January 1, 1959.
Thus Bissell was the actual CIA Chief of the Clandestine Service
(or Deputy Director for Plans) serving in 1961 at the time
alleged in Corso's tale.

Bissell is famous in history as the leader of the U-2 and the
Corona spy satellite projects at CIA as well as the architect of
the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion that had dominated the
headlines for the past few weeks before

Corso arrived at the Pentagon in 1961, so it is surprising that
the supposed intelligence expert Corso has such a poor grasp of
intelligence history as to not know these well-known facts.
Bissell's name was repeatedly cited as the chief planner of the
Bays of Pigs operation in front-page news stories at the time.
(For example, see New York Times, April 21, 1961, p. 1 col. 7;

May 3, 1961, p. 1 col. 6; July 17, 1961, p. 13 col. 4. The May 3
front-page story reported that CIA "deputy director" Bissell and
CIA Director Allen Dulles had testified the day before at a
closed-door hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
concerning the Cuba disaster.)

I interviewed Bissell almost twenty years ago about his UFO
involvement and Project Corona and naturally he never mentioned
Corso or Roswell. Corso should have known who Bissell was for
another reason, namely that he claims (falsely of course) that
the Project Corona spy satellite program was handed over to him
in 1961 (pp. 131, 136) -- and that was Bissell's project. More
about this below.

Worse still, Wisner s office was not even in the U.S. in 1961
but was in London. Wisner had been sent overseas to take the
less demanding post of CIA Chief of Station in London on August
6, 1959, but was recalled from London in the spring of 1962 and
resigned from the CIA entirely in August 1962. So Corso could
not have simply driven to Wisner's office in 1961 and barged in
-- as if we're to believe that Corso could get through CIA
Security so easily to reach the top spook in the Agency and
threaten him.

And it was public knowledge that the new CIA headquarters in
Langley, Va., was not yet open for business in May 1961 when
Corso's imagined confrontation with the top CIA spook supposedly
took place there. The new building did not receive its first CIA
employees until September 1961.

(The New York Times reported on May 3 (p. 5 col. 5) that the CIA
s "headquarters staff is scattered throughout Washington in
thirty or more buildings but it will EVENTUALLY MOVE into a new
building almost as large as the Pentagon on the Virginia side of
the Potomac [at Langley]." The New York Times Magazine published
a photo of the CIA HQ building "NEARING COMPLETION in Langley,
Va.," on May 21, 1961 (pp. 78-79). Only about 4 months later did
CIA employees start moving into the Langley building (New York
Times, Sept. 28, 1961, p. 20 col. 8; Oct. 8, p. E 7) and by
early November 1961 about 1/3 of the CIA HQ employees had moved
in, with the rest expected early in 1962 (NYT Nov. 6, 1961, p.
39).)

Did Corso push his way past construction workers into an
unoccupied office-to-be?!? Maybe he just camped out there and
waited for all the walls and furnishings to be filled in and
"Wiesner" to pick the right office. Maybe there was a time
machine in the Roswell spacecraft. There are lots of ways to
explain this discrepancy, all of them psycho.

Worst of all, Frank Wisner did not "hang himself" in a "London
hotel" in 1961. He killed himself with a shotgun on his family
farm in Galena, Maryland, on October 29, 1965 -- years after
Corso claims it was, and on the wrong side of the Atlantic for
Corso's fevered and rather sick imagination. There's no need to
add to the Wisner family tragedy with preposterous stories
linking him to extraterrestrial investigations, distorting the
sad details of his demise and even falsely accusing him of being
"one of the best friends" the Soviets ever had (p. 87). Wisner
had been depressed since the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 which
he had helped inspire as the top CIA clandestine official only
to see it brutally suppressed. Eisenhower refused to overtly
intervene or covertly assist the brave freedom fighters who were
crushed by Soviet tanks, and Wisner never recovered from his
personal anguish over the betrayal.

If anyone was a real hero it was Wisner not Philip Quixote, the
fake. Wisner could have chosen the life of a rich playboy but
instead threw himself into service to his country. Whereas
others gave mere lipservice to the "rollback of the Iron
Curtain," Wisner personally did more to roll it back than
practically anyone in his era. And when plans failed and
courageous freedom fighters were bloodied or tortured, Wisner
saw and felt their anguish and it took a terrible toll on him
personally, till it killed him.

These are not minor errors of abstract historical facts. These
are stories of Corso's own alleged personal experiences
involving supposed major episodes in his career and in world
history. For comparison, here is an example of an error that IS
minor: Corso believes the Air Force became a separate service
from the Army in 1948 (pp. 54, 61). In fact it separated on
September 18, 1947. Corso was in the Army at the time and stayed
there, so it is understandable that decades later he might make
a one-year error in remembering the date inasmuch as he was
probably not personally involved with the creation of the Air
Force (though given his claim that it was "critically important"
for him to trace the exact movements of Roswell material in 1947
in order to assess which military service or agency got control
of how much [pp. 53-55, 62, 79-80, 99] and that the Air Force
got its share of alien materiel when Wright Field changed over
from Army to AF [pp. 54, 61-62] one would think Corso would have
done better research on the date of the transition).

Corso again fraudulently inserts himself into history by
alleging that as the Army Foreign Technology czar in charge of
Roswell he helped President Kennedy decide to send a man to the
moon. Corso alleges that he worked on a moon base plan called
Project Horizon to help keep the ET's at bay, which plan he
urged on Attorney General Robert Kennedy in a personal meeting
in May 1962 (compare pp. 2, 37, 156, 191, 206, 255). Lo and
behold says Corso, it was a short time later that the AG's
brother, the President, announced the Apollo program objective
of landing a man on the moon by the end of the decade. Corso
takes pride in his supposed contribution to Kennedy's decision
on the moon race (p. 156).

Only problem is that JFK made the famous moon-project
announcement on May 25th of 1961 -- A YEAR BEFORE the alleged
Corso promotion of Project Horizon to Bobby Kennedy in May 1962.
Corso can't seriously claim he simply made a typo or error of
one year and meant to say it was in May 1961 because that would
mean he had secured a personal meeting with the brother of the
President only days after he arrived at the Pentagon and before
he had even finished his first alleged Roswell exploitation plan
which included the Horizon moon-base (pp. 102, 105, 115, 157)!
Corso indicates it took more than a month to complete his first
report and plan for General Trudeau and it was already "summer"
then so it had to be at least June or July 1961 (cp. pp. 49, 51,
53, 91).

He also states explicitly it was "After his first year in
office" (after Jan. 1962) that "President Kennedy saw the value
in Project Horizon" (p. 155) through Corso's pitch to brother
Bobby in the May 1962 meeting and it had been "six months" from
that meeting to the Cuban Missile Crisis of the Fall of 1962 (p.
255) so that doubly fixes the alleged meeting in the Spring of
1962, not 1961. He is tightly locked into his 1962 date for his
fictitious involvement in inspiring JFK's 1961 Apollo lunar
landing plan and there is no way out -- except to admit it's all
a fantasy. Corso's delusion is one year too late.

Why doesn't Corso present written records proving the subject
matter, date and existence of the Kennedy meeting? This would be
far more important evidence to support his claims than padding
his book with several dozen pages of irrelevant Project Horizon
technical documentation, none of which mentions ET s or UFO s or
Roswell (pp. 275-332).

Corso claims that in his first Roswell exploitation plan to
General Trudeau, which as we ve seen must have been submitted in
June or July 1961, he claims he stressed how the Roswell aliens
were so well protected and equipped for long-term space flight,
unlike the experiences of both American and Soviet astronauts
who had had difficulties with weightlessness and the space
environment (p. 112). But as of the date when Corso purportedly
made his report only ONE person had been in orbit, Soviet
cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin who was up for an hour and a half on
April 12, 1961. The Soviets released nothing at the time
indicating any difficulties with human adaptation to space
flight.

Not only is time warped in Corso's crazy fantasies as with his
"Wiesner" fable and the Kennedy moon-shot fabrication, which are
years off in date in physically impossible ways, but so is
space: He has a possible Roswell UFO crash site on the plains of
San Agustin "in some proximity" to the Roswell Army Air Field
(p. 3). But in fact it is at least 160 miles away, west of
Socorro! Look at a map.

Logic goes out the window, too, as when Corso mystifyingly
states in one place that only "five to six of us" in all three
military services were privy to the Roswell secrets (p. 85). Yet
he tells how the Roswell "package" spread out further and
further among the services over the years with little or no
coordination (pp. 51-62, 71, 73, 78, 82-84). Plus there were the
several military members of the "Majestic 12" committee in
control of the coverup of Roswell (pp. 62, 69, 71, 74, 82,
passim) who additionally "had personnel stationed at the
Pentagon to keep tabs on what the military was doing" on Roswell
R&D (p. 175). There were military pathologists at Walter Reed,
Bethesda and Roswell Army Air Base, who allegedly performed
autopsies on the alien bodies (pp. 91-92, 96-99, 190). There
were "military intelligence personnel" developing cattle
mutilation surgical methods (p. 181). And there must have been
many military technicians involved in the test flights of the
Roswell craft at Norton, Edwards and Nellis AFB's (pp. 99-100,
107, 218) and quite a few military administrators of the
purported "alien technology museum, the final resting place of
the Roswell spacecraft" maintained by the Air Force and CIA (p.
100). In fact, Corso admits there were a "LARGE NUMBER of people
who really know the truth" about Roswell such as "top-ranking
MILITARY officers" (p. 100, emphasis added). Yet we are meant to
believe the Roswell secret had spread out to ONLY 5-6 MILITARY
MEN after 15 years?? That s a "LARGE NUMBER"?!? If they had that
few after that many years, how many did they START with in
charge of the Roswell spacecraft, ZERO? Maybe that s the real
truth slipping out by inference -- it started with zero because
it never happened.

Typical of Corso s absurd anachronisms that prove he doesn't
know what he is talking about on military and intelligence
history is his listing of the members of the MJ-12 "working
group" as of the "middle of September" 1947 (p. 74). He has
obviously lifted this list carelessly from published pro-MJ-12
sources without bothering to verify the facts. He is careful to
note the exact transitional positions in 1947, e.g., that
General Twining was in the "AAF and then USAF" (the Army Air
Forces became the U.S. Air Force in 1947), General Vandenberg
was Central Intelligence Group Director then "USAF Chief of
Staff in 1948," etc. But Gordon Gray is described in
mid-September 1947 by Corso as "President Truman's Secretary of
the Army" (I think he's wrong, it was Under Secretary in 1947)
"and chairman of the CIA's Psychological Strategy Board." The
PSB was a division of the National Security Council (NSC), not
the CIA, and it didn't exist in 1947. The PSB was created on
April 4, 1951. Corso should have known this from his tour of
duty at the NSC in the early 50's.

Another bogus Corso achievement I ve already mentioned is his
purported takeover of Project Corona, the pioneer U.S. spy
satellite. Corso attempts to steal all the credit for Corona but
if you read his timeline carefully most of the major R&D and
cover-story actions took place in 1960, long before he ever
arrived on the scene (pp. 129, 138, 141-142, 145). Corso has
done a poor job of reading up on space history from comic books
or whatever (since he couldn t have actually worked on the real
classified Corona program and gotten things so ridiculously
wrong). He claims the most clever innovation was when the Air
Force managed to sneak the Corona camera payload on-board an
already existing "NASA" civilian satellite project called
"Discoverer," which was difficult because it had to be small
enough to "fit into" the interior easily and be self-contained
(pp. 137-138, 140-142). He imagines that this whole ludicrous
endeavor of one agency hiding payloads aboard another agency's
satellites was necessitated by NASA assuming control of "ALL
satellite launchings" including the military s launches when
NASA was created in 1958, a control that purportedly lasted
until the 1970 s (pp. 126, 128-129, 138, 144-147, 155-157;
emphasis added).

The truth is that Corona was entirely a secret CIA -- not Air
Force -- program begun several months BEFORE NASA was even
formed. Corona was ordered by President Eisenhower on February
7, 1958, and NASA s first day of operation was on October 1. The
cover for the satellites was the AIR FORCE s Discoverer label,
which never had anything to do with NASA. It was always publicly
associated with the AIR FORCE. NASA never had control of the
military's satellite launchings. The existence of a Air Force
satellite launch pad completely separate from NASA's Cape
Canaveral should settle it. Doesn't Corso read the newspapers?
Who does he think has launched satellites from Vandenberg AIR
FORCE Base in California from 1959 to the present day? Santa
Claus and his elves?

In another proof of Corso's complete ignorance of the Corona
project, he invents the following remark by General Trudeau in
early 1963, purportedly declaring, "In just a couple of years
... We ll have orbiting satellites mapping every inch of the
Soviet Union" (pp. 202-203). Corona satellites had already
mapped the USSR by 1963 and proved the nonexistence of the
"missile gap," showing there was no huge Soviet ICBM force
hidden in Siberia or some other place. You can now even read the
official history of CIA s Corona satellite on the Internet and
millions of frames of its space reconnaissance photos are now
declassified and available to the public. Obviously Corso has a
very poor grasp of the Corona satellites function and
operational history.

Corso is also the hero of the Cuban Missile Crisis (pp. 253-258,
269), Reagan's SDI or Strategic Defense Initiative (pp. 4-5, 78,
115, 243, 249-250, 268, 273), the Korean War POW revelations
(pp. 2, 37-38, 87), the exposure of KGB moles inside the CIA and
elsewhere (pp. 2, 37, 139, 141, 189), and the JFK assassination
-- as an investigator for the Warren Commission -- which he
intimates was due to JFK finding out the truth about the CIA
(pp. 2, 87, 206, 208).

And of course last but not least Corso is the hero of the Planet
Earth's desperate but successful "war" against the ET s (or
EBE's, Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, the term he cribbed
from the fraudulent MJ-12 documents) (pp. 5, 142, 249-250, 260,
269). This supposed war against UFO s led to Reagan and
Gorbachev meeting and ending the Cold War (pp. 262-263, 266,
268). We had negotiated a "surrender" treaty with the aliens
(were there alien negotiators in the State Dept. too?) until we
were able to reverse engineer enough Roswell weapons to fight
back (pp. 268, passim).

As Corso modestly boasts, "Sometimes, once in a very long while,
you get the chance to save your country, your planet, and even
your species at the same time." (p. 273) Corso gives whole new
meaning to the term "delusions of grandeur."

Corso's notion that many of our high-tech innovations were
really back-engineered from extraterrestrials is a new twist on
the Ancient Astronauts theory. Instead of saying man was too
stupid to invent pyramids or the wheel on his own and had to get
the ideas from space visitors, Corso has updated the concept and
says we got the microwave oven (p. 178) and laptop computers
(pp. 170-173) from aliens. I guess all those millions of
scientists and engineers we've cranked out over the years have
largely been a waste -- they were dummies who had to get clued
in by ET's.

Now that we've established that Corso fabricates entire
screenplays and dialogues involving himself inside CIA
headquarters and elsewhere that never happened and never could
have happened, there really is no need to go into the rest of
his confabulations about his heroic role in getting U.S.
industry to "reverse engineer" microchips, fiber optics, lasers,
Kevlar, etc., from his make-believe Roswell spacecraft. That
would be chasing phantoms, trying to prove a negative -- that
something doesn't exist -- which is inherently very difficult if
not actually impossible. The dramatic stories that we can easily
check prove Corso to be a rank literary hoaxer.







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              SETI Hires Ad Agency To Explore Its Public Image

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:48:01 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:14:41 -0400
Subject: SETI Hires Ad Agency To Explore Its Public Image


Source: The San Jose Business Journal.

http://www.amcity.com:80/sanjose/stories/081098/story5.html

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August 10, 1998

The search for intelligence widens

SETI hires ad agency to contact public, research image


Alastair Goldfisher
Business Journal Staff Writer


SETI wants to make contact with you.

The Mountain View-based Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence
Institute is working with San Jose ad agency Elliott/Dickens to
find out how the public perceives it.

Details are being worked out, but SETI officials hope market
research will begin by early September. Ad agency
representatives said the scope of the research could include
focus groups, Internet research and possibly a survey to see
who's visiting SETI's Web site at

http://www.seti.org

and why.

Contrary to previous reports by the advertising trade press (not
to mention Elliott/Dickens' own press release dated July 10),
the firm is not SETI's agency of record.

But Ted Ganchiff, vice president of Elliott/Dickens, said he
hopes an ad campaign will develop from the research. A
longer-term relationship with SETI still is uncertain.

"We're going to wait to see what SETI wants and what our
research shows us about how people perceive SETI," he said. "But
overall I believe that SETI wants to raise awareness of its
mission, and we're excited to help in that."

"Once we've seen the market research results and after we've had
a chance to work with Elliott/Dickens, we'll determine what to
do next," said SETI executive director Tom Pierson.

The basic mission of SETI is to serve as a base for scientific
research on finding other life in the universe. Specifically,
its goal is to search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

The nonprofit research organization has more than two dozen
projects in progress, though its most famous is Project Phoenix.

Popularized by last year's movie "Contact," the project is an
effort to detect civilizations in other star systems by
listening for radio signals that might be either deliberately or
inadvertently transmitted from another planet.

Project Phoenix is the successor to NASA's ambitious SETI
program, which was canceled by a budget-conscious Congress in
1993.

It now receives about $4.5 million a year in private funding
from donors including William Hewlett and the late David
Packard, founders of Hewlett-Packard Co.; Gordon Moore,
co-founder of Intel Corp.; Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft
Corp.; and the late Barney Oliver, former director of HP Labs.

Funding for the other projects comes from government agencies,
private foundations and individual donors.

But Project Phoenix makes up a majority of SETI's annual
operating budget of $7.5 million.

SETI has enough pledges to carry its operation through 2000.
Beyond that, the institute is engaged in the quest to raise a
$100 million endowment to help ensure continued operation.

Because of SETI's origins, Mr. Pierson said, there's a common
misperception that it is still closely related to NASA, which
has operations at Moffett Federal Airfield in Mountain View.

"That is part of our image problem," he said.

However, SETI has benefited in recent years from a growing
interest in astronomy, said Bonnie Gordon, editor of Astronomy,
a magazine based in Waukesha, Wis.

The monthly magazine has seen its subscriber base grow from
about 160,000 to more than 200,000 over the past three years.

"In the scientific community, SETI is appreciated and supported
for being a dedicated research organization," Ms. Gordon said.

"In the past, the general public may have thought they were all
about looking for UFOs," she said. "However, perceptions have
changed in recent years because of Carl Sagan's novel and the
movie."

"Contact," last year's summer blockbuster flick based on Mr.
Sagan's book, won rave reviews from those in and out of the
scientific community.

Mr. Pierson said the movie was largely accurate and has helped
to draw young people to the field. He said it probably even led
to a few minor donations.

In terms of perpetuating misperceptions, the movie did
incorporate some science fiction. One of the inaccuracies,
inserted with Mr. Sagan's consent for the sake of movie making,
involved Ellie Arroway (the character played by Jodie Foster)
wearing headphones to listen for alien sounds.

In reality, Project Phoenix examines 28 million channels
simultaneously via computer, which alerts astronomers when
interesting signals occur.

"None of our engineers would wear those headsets. That wouldn't
make sense," Mr. Pierson said. "But that's the kind of public
perception we're interested in uncovering."


=A9 1998, The Business Journal






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                    UFO Entries Include Reports From Utah

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:30:25 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:09:56 -0400
Subject: UFO Entries Include Reports From Utah


Source: The Deseret News, August 10

http://www.desnews.com:80/cit/x80nh168.htm


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UFO entries include reports from Utah

Last updated 08/10/1998, 10:56 a.m. MT

By Zack Van Eyck
Deseret News staff writer

For the past two years, the Seattle-based, nonprofit National
UFO Reporting Center has accepted hundreds of UFO sighting
reports via the Internet.

At least a half-dozen of the more than 400 entries involve
observations made in Utah, including two that mention
unidentified craft shining beams of light onto the ground.

Below is a brief summary of those reports. All but one were
submitted this year, although the dates the sightings occurred
span three decades. The full text of these and other reports are
available on the UFO Reporting Center's Web site,

www.nwlink.com/~ufocntr

:Flying triangle =97 A river guide and companions, traveling south
on U-261 near the San Juan River in June 1982, observed three
triangle-shaped UFOs. The closest object was shining a light
beam onto the highway. "As the UFO came close, we flashed the
lights of our car and they shut their front lights off," the
submitter wrote. The object then flew over the vehicle,
revealing eight lights in an oval shape underneath the craft.

:Unidentified flying cloud =97 Someone driving south near Provo in
1972 reported seeing a small, bright cloud that suddenly turned
into a "silver saucer" and shot across the desert. The submitter
took pictures and still has "one picture with a fuzzy saucer in
it."

:Kennecott orbs =97 While driving to work about midnight in July
'93, a Tooele resident spotted "four intense, glowing green
stoplight type orbs" hovering about 1,000 feet above Kennecott
Copper Mine. After more than a minute, the orbs "flew northward
at an extreme speed," according to the entry.

:Moab UFO =97 In January of last year near Moab, a bright object
was seen to emit "triangular yellow-green light, modulating from
flood to spot beam" before appearing to dissolve "into a cloud
of its own light."

:Moving star =97 A "former assistant chief" reported that in
January of last year several witnesses, including two members of
the Hansen Planetarium's astronomical society, saw a "moving
star, similar to a satellite," stop, hover and "dart around" for
more than three hours above Alta. Planetarium personnel "weren't
aware of any satellites that can behave like that," the
submitter wrote.

:Green streaks =97 A 15-year-old from Huntington, Emery County,
reported seeing a green light streak across the night sky two
times over a five-minute period in May of '97.






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                Bigelow Gives First Interview On UFO Pursuit

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:28:01 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:05:49 -0400
Subject: Bigelow Gives First Interview On UFO Pursuit

From The Deseret News (Utah) August 10.

http://www.desnews.com:80/cit/x80n5f1h.htm

Links are preceded by asterisks.


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Paranormal effort takes a public turn

Nevadan seeks Uinta Basin's input on UFOs

Last updated 08/10/1998, 10:47 a.m. MT

Related content:

*UFO entries include reports from Utah
By Zack Van Eyck
Deseret News staff writer


LAS VEGAS, Nev.-- Two years ago, Terry and Gwen Sherman were
trying to unload a 480-acre Uintah County cattle ranch they said
was rife with UFO activity and other bizarre occurrences.

(*The National Institute for Discovery Science seeks answers
about unusual aerial phenomena.)


Zack Van Eyck, Deseret News


Millionaire philanthropist Robert T. Bigelow came to the rescue,
buying the ranch and moving in a team of researchers and
surveillance equipment.

Bigelow, 54, a Las Vegas native who amassed a fortune in real
estate development, had for years funded private research
projects on the far fringe of mainstream science.

The Sherman ranch was exactly what he was looking for a secluded
location with a history of phenomenal events where his nonprofit
National Institute for Discovery Science could gather
extraordinary data.

As a condition of the purchase, however, the Shermans agreed to
keep quiet about what they reportedly had witnessed the
mutilated and disappearing cattle, UFOs the size of football
fields, circular doorways that appeared in midair and floating
balls of light that allegedly incinerated the family dogs.

Bigelow and his staff also dodged media inquiries, saying public
knowledge about their observations would be premature and not in
keeping with es- tablished scientific methods. Even today, two
years later, Bigelow will not discuss specific incidents that
have occurred on the ranch and the surrounding area.

But the strange airborne activity and unusual animal deaths have
continued, Bigelow confirmed in a lengthy, face-to-face chat
with the Deseret News the first interview he has granted to
discuss his regional pursuit of aerial phenomena.

"We wouldn't be there just for the weather," he said.

When the impressive team of scientists Bigelow has assembled can
say something definitive about what is going on in the skies
around Fort Duchesne, Randlett and beyond, they will, Bigelow
promised on the NIDS Web site at www.accessnv.com/nids.

"We know so little in terms of what the overall scope of these
phenomena is all about that it's just embarrassing to try to
make conclusions at this point," Bigelow said.

And it's still too early, he said, to determine whether the
curious activity poses any threat to Uinta Basin residents.

"Should people be fearful of anything from NIDS? Absolutely not.
But I think the jury is way, way, way out and a long way from
coming back on whether or not we know enough to say that they
shouldn't have something to fear from the phenomena," he said,
then added somewhat humorously, "We haven't had any of our staff
eaten or anybody else that we know of."

Bigelow said the National Institute for Discovery Science needs
the help of Uinta Basin ranchers and residents. He asks anyone
who discovers an unusual animal death or spots an unidentified
object in the sky to call NIDS at 1-888-433-6500. When an animal
mutilation is reported, NIDS veterinarians can respond to
perform a necropsy.

"It will cost him (a rancher) nothing to try to find out what
happened to his animal," Bigelow said.

The recent interview in Las Vegas was an intriguing departure
for Bigelow, a confident and articulate self-made man who has
kept the lowest of low profiles over the years prompting some
paranormal researchers to suggest he has a hidden agenda or
government connections.

Bigelow said he retained a private persona while conducting his
own research into the UFO field primarily to protect his
sources. But now, with NIDS sponsoring an international essay
contest to pique the mainstream science community's interest in
the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, the time is right
to assume a more public role even if he doesn't allow his
photograph to be taken.

As for the government, Bigelow said his staff has no evidence
the government has any interest in the Sherman ranch or similar
"hot spots" NIDS has investigated in New Mexico and Colorado.

People shouldn't be worried that he is part of a covert
government group, Bigelow said, but instead should ask
themselves why the government, politicians, religious
institutions, educators, scientists and the media are not taking
UFOs and the possible existence of extraterrestrials more
seriously.

Bigelow, in fact, said one reason he spends more than a million
dollars a year on NIDS research is to do what he feels the
government and other institutions should be doing preparing
America and the rest of the world for eventual ET contact. That
revelation, if confirmed suddenly and dramatically, Bigelow
believes, could have a devastating psychosocial impact on global
civilization.

"There are aspects of this phenomena that are going to be
disturbing to the average person," he said. "It's more complex,
more diverse than I think is commonly recognized.

"We've been exposed to some things that are significantly
different than the traditional body of information that you read
about or that you watch (on TV, movies), and that increases the
dynamics, the scope of what has to be digested."

Bigelow's interest in the paranormal stems from his youth. At
the time, Las Vegas was, by comparison, a sleepy little hamlet.
There wasn't much for locals to do in the 1950s except drive
down the street for an ice cream cone after dinner.

Off on one of those evening cruises, Bigelow's grandparents had
a close encounter that not only had a profound impact on them,
but when he was told the story two years later strongly affected
their 10-year-old grandson.

"This ball of light that appeared to be on flames was coming
right at them," Bigelow recalled. "They swerved the car off the
road in a pretty dramatic way and kind of ducked, waiting for
this impact and there was no impact. Instead, it made a
90-degree turn. It came right at them and went voooom it just
went the opposite direction.

"It not only shook them up because they thought they were about
to die, but then it gave them something to think about for
weeks, months and years after."

Ditto for their grandson.

Bigelow retained his curiosity about that event and other
Vegas-area UFO sightings for three decades while building his
real estate empire. In 1988, with money to burn, he began an
intense, personal quest for an answer to the question: "Are we
alone in the universe?"

That led to the formation of NIDS, established in '95 to
investigate both aerial phenomena and another of his interests
the survival of consciousness after bodily death.

A year later, word of the Shermans' plight brought Bigelow to
the Uinta Basin, where hundreds of UFO sightings have been
cataloged by former Roosevelt schoolteacher Joseph "Junior"
Hicks, beginning in the early '50s.

NIDS isn't likely to leave the area anytime soon, either as long
as research can be conducted without interference. Bigelow and
Colm Kelleher, NIDS' deputy administrator, worry that too much
publicity may attract undesirable attention.

"If you had a tailgate, football-stadium kind of atmosphere out
there, and everybody's out there with hot dogs and hamburgers,
and they're barbecuing and waiting for the UFOs to come down, I
don't picture it (continuation of the activity) is going to
happen."








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                 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:37:11 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:28:37 -0400
Subject: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ


Source: alt.ufo.reports - August 10.

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Subject:      quirindi - sighting
From:         "Raymond Brooks" <rbrooks@zeta.org.au>
Date:         1998/08/10
Message-ID:   <6qmun7$o5q$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au>
Newsgroups:   alt.ufo.reports


Anyone hear about the 'mass' UFO spectacle at Quirindi (nr
Tamworth) in Northern NSW [Australia] today?

Apparently a 'good show' of various craft doing a lot of things
around & about farms for around 1.5 hours - including the
release of 'angel hair'

- reported in an interview this afternoon on Sydney Radio 2GB.








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                      Press Report On Tracy 'UFO Crash'

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:04:40 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:22:13 -0400
Subject: Press Report On Tracy 'UFO Crash'


Source: The Modesto Bee

http://www.modbee.com/metro/story/0,1113,35400,00.html


Stig

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'Warped' Sighting Of UFO


By Dennis Roberts
Bee staff writer

(Published: Monday, August 10, 1998)


MANTECA -- Reports of an unidentified flying object being shot
down over Tracy were greatly exaggerated, as the saying goes.

The rumor, which began with a telephone call between a Manteca
man and a friend in Idaho, spread faster than a speeding comet
over the Internet, showing up on a UFO-related Website called
Sightings.

The rumor started with a grain of truth -- a meteorite that
streaked through Earth's atmosphere at 9:45 p.m. Tuesday,
prompting calls to news media and police in the Central Valley
and the Bay Area. Motorists northbound on Highway 99 saw the
object as a bright blue-white light that seemed to throw off a
spark before disappearing.

How did that lead to an Internet UFO flap?

Former Manteca resident Jennifer Lipshin, who now lives in
Idaho, passed the information to an organization called
UFONetwork. She said she was on the telephone with an old friend
who lives in Manteca when the space rock flashed across the sky.

"He was really spooked about it," she said. "I asked him, 'Do
you see any jet activity.' He said 'No,' and then after a while
he saw one in the area, and then another one. Then he saw
something that looked like a helicopter.

"That's just how I put it to the UFONetwork. I thought they were
just putting out that something was seen and might have gone
down.

"Pretty soon 50,000 people had this information and it got so
warped that people were saying things like, 'Pray for the aliens
that fell.' It was incredible."

The UFONetwork reported that a caller told them a spacecraft
"may have been shot down by 'Star Wars' technology lasers or
weapons from Lawrence Livermore Labs" and that "there are
military jets and one possible helicopter in the vicinity at
this time."

Later, Claude DiDomenica of the UFONetwork said he "may not have
been clear enough when I sent out the report" because Lipshin's
call came when he was sound asleep.

"People are just waiting to jump on anything (supposedly
extraterrestrial) that happens," Lipshin said. Her Manteca
friend couldn't be reached for comment.


Copyright =A9 The Modesto Bee.






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From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:03:33 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:35:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs


>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:08:20 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Why Migrains Don't Explain UFOs
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net

>I saw what appeared to be a totally black object pass through
>the blue sky once over Baltimore. I wrote an article about it
>which was published in MUFON and CUFOS journals about a "black
>hole."

Bruce,

This is an interesting phenomenon, and it has been described
many times. I recall several TV shows in which computers were
assigned to enhance UFO photos for more detail in the "dark"
parts of the object, only to tell their users that there wasn't
any data contained in the dark spot. In short, there was
"nothing there". One often sees pictures of aircraft with
varying levels and angles of illumination, yet nearly all seem
to still show some detail in the shadowed portion. Unless an
aircraft is sillouetted directly against the sun, one can
usually see the bottom, especially on bright, relatively
cloud-free days.

Now, for a little speculation. Perhaps on occasion, part of the
object is being censored (joke). More to my liking is the
possibility that light may be unable to escape from the field
surrounding the object or it's skin, but only at certain angles,
or under certain conditions. Naturally, this assumes that
witnesses are not looking at and filming someone's migraine
lights. Anyhow, I envision it to be somewhat like a two-way
mirror (I don't know why they call them that). Perhaps the same
area of the object is visible from a different angle...light
escapes in that direction. And, if it happens to be an image of
another part of the ship being bent in your direction, that
would really complicate things. It would be interesting to
compare several photos taken from different angles of the same
object if such a dark spot presented itself, and see if it's
position changes. Maybe this occurs when some sort of
surveillance equipment is being employed.

I henceforth declare this effect "TWM", until such time as a
sillier term can be devised.

Just having some fun. Some people here need to lighten up a bit
(not you, Bruce).

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                Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:18:20 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:38:20 -0400
Subject: Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains of Activity


I wrote:

>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:49:06 +0200
>Subject: "Remains Of Biological Activity" In New Mars Meteorite

>>From the BBC. URL:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_142000/142889.stm

>Stig

>*******

>BBC News Online: Sci/Tech

>Friday, July 31, 1998 Published at 07:58 GMT 08:58 UK

>Mars meteorite in UK hands

>UK scientists are hoping to make the next breakthrough in the
>search for evidence of life on Mars.

>They are analysing a small sample of a meteorite which landed in
>the Sahara desert.

>A UK team is also trying to raise enough money to send their own
>robot explorer to study the surface of the red planet.

>The meteorite left Mars a million years ago and is the size of a
>melon.

>The discovery comes two years after American scientists said
>they had found microscopic fossils in another Mars meteorite.

>Very expensive rock Nasa scientist Everett Gibson, who led that
>investigation, said: "We found the remains of biological
>activity.

>"I'm optimistic and looking forward to hopefully getting a few
>grammes of this material and we can put the powerful analytical
>tools to begin to decode the messages carried by this rock."

>But the new Mars rock is in the hands of a private collector who
>could sell it for millions.

>British scientists have been given a tiny sample and the leading
>expert has made a passionate appeal to the collector for a
>bigger slice.

>Dr Monica Grady of the Natural History Museum said: "Please give
>the scientific community about 20 to 50 grams of meteorite to
>work with."

>She added: "You won't regret it."

>UK calling Mars Analysing meteorites is the cheapest way of
>gathering information on Mars. But there are now plans to send a
>UK probe to the planet.

>Top UK space scientist Professor Colin Pillinger has unveiled
>his plans for Project Beagle, a tiny robot that would land on
>the surface of Mars.

>It would travel to the planet on board Europe's Mars Express and
>parachute onto the surface of Mars to probe and analyse the soil
>for signs of life.

>The project now has three months to find =A325m to finance its
>mission to Mars.


The BBC has just posted an update on its Sci/Tech page. URL:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_148000/148510.stm

Stig

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BBC News Online: Sci/Tech

Monday, August 10, 1998 Published at 12:33 GMT 13:33 UK

Red planet rock

A meteorite found in the Sahara desert, dubbed Lucky 13, did
come from Mars, British scientists have revealed.

Meteorite experts said the findings could provide the next
breakthrough in the search for evidence of life on the red
planet.

The private prospector who found the meteorite, which was
analysed by the Open University, now stands to become a
millionaire.

The 2.2 kilogram rock is worth about =A31.4 million on the
commercial market.

It is thought to be between one million and 4.5 billion years
old, according to the Planetary Sciences Research Institute at
the Open University.

Of the 20,000 meteorites in worldwide collections, this is only
the 13th to have been shown to originate from mars.

They were blasted off the surface of the planet by comet or
asteroid impacts millions of years ago and eventually landed on
earth after drifting through space.

In August 1996 Nasa scientists astounded the world by saying
they had found what appeared to be fossilised microbes in a
martian meteorite recovered from Antarctica.

The discovery appeared to be the first evidence of past life on
Mars, but has since been challenged by other experts.

Professor Colin Pillinger, of the Open University, made the
announcement about Lucky 13 after carrying out a geo-chemical
version of "DNA fingerprinting" involving oxygen isotopes.

His team said further analysis could unlock the secrets of
Martian climatic history and provide evidence of conditions
capable of supporting life.


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                Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains Of Activity

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:13:57 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:51:58 -0400
Subject: Re: New Mars Meteorite - Remains Of Activity

These press reports elaborate on Open University's findings cf.
the other email I sent today.

The first story is from the Electronic (Daily)
Telegraph, URL:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=3D0001403267069
27&rtmo=3DapeRxapL&atmo=3DrrrrrrNq&P4_FOLLOW_ON=3D/98/8
/11/wmars11.html&pg=3D/et/98/8/11/wmars11.html

This page has many interesting Mars links BTW.


Stig

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International News
Electronic Telegraph
Tuesday 11 August 1998
Issue 1173

Sahara rock is found to be =A31m Mars meteorite

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor


A METEORITE recovered from the Sahara Desert - and dubbed Lucky
13 - is from Mars, scientists from the Open University announced
yesterday.

It is only the 13th meteorite out of 20,000 in collections that
has been proved to have originated from Mars, after studies
disclosed it had an unearthly chemical signature. The Open
University team said that the discovery will make the private
collector who found it about =A31.4 million as collectors, dealers
and researchers clamour for a piece of the 4lb 13oz rock.

The head of the team, Prof Colin Pillinger, said he did not know
the identity of the "desertcomber" who found the grapefruit-size
rock, which is believed to have been in the Sahara for more than
40,000 years.

Prof Pillinger and his colleagues will study a 0.00529oz sample
of the meteorite for water, carbonate minerals and tell-tale
isotopic signatures consistent with living things. His
colleague, Ian Wright, said: "Clearly we won't be looking for
any advanced forms of life but in the microscopic record there
could be a rich variety of things."

This latest Mars meteorite could range in age from one million
to 4.5 billion years old, said Prof Pillinger, who plans a Mars
mission to hunt for signs of life. The other 12 Mars meteorites
are owned by the United States government or museums, including
the Natural History Museum in London, which has one.

The team established that Lucky 13 had isotopes of oxygen within
its minerals that had the same ratio as the other 12 specimens
and therefore "one of the family". The meteorite was thought to
have been blasted off the surface of Mars by a comet or asteroid
impact at least a million years ago and eventually landed on
Earth after drifting through space. Prof Pillinger is leading an
attempt to put a robot explorer on Mars in 2003 to analyse rock
and soil for evidence of life.


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The next report is from AP via Alabama Live. URL:

http://flash.al.com/cgi-bin/al_nview.pl?/home1/wi
re/AP/Stream-Parsed/INTERNATIONAL/a0666_AM_MarsMe
teorite


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British scientists identify 13th meteorite from
Mars


The Associated Press
08/10/98 7:49 PM Eastern


LONDON (AP) -- A meteorite discovered in the Sahara Desert was
positively identified Monday as originating from Mars, British
scientists said.

Out of 20,000 found worldwide, the 4.8-pound rock is only the
13th meteorite proven to be from the red planet.

Meteorite experts hope this latest discovery, called Lucky 13,
will tell scientists more about environmental conditions on Mars
and aid in the search for evidence of life on the planet.

"This is another piece in the jigsaw puzzle," said Colin
Pillinger, a space scientist at the Planetary Sciences Research
Institute at Open University in Milton Keynes, 50 miles
northwest of London. "And this particular meteorite is exciting
because it seems to be from a different formation and possibly a
different age than the others."

The meteorite's age is not yet known. But Pillinger said it left
Mars at least a million years ago, when a comet or asteroid
smashed into the planet's surface. After drifting through space,
the meteorite eventually crashed onto Earth, where it probably
lay undiscovered in the desert for about 40,000 years, Pillinger
said.

Other Martian meteorites have been found to be 4.5 billion years
old.

He does not know who found the rock, but Pillinger said it is
owned by a private citizen. That makes it the first of the 13
meteorites in private hands. Six of the others are owned by the
U.S. government, and museums own the other six. The last Mars
meteorite was found in 1994 in Antarctica.

Scientists at the planetary institute learned of the
grapefruit-sized meteorite last week when they were given a
small sample to test for authenticity.

Pillinger described the process, using laser technology to
isolate oxygen isotopes, as a "genetic test for rocks." The
results confirmed the rock did originate on Mars. Now the sample
held by the British scientists will be subjected to a series of
experiments.

"Clearly, we won't ever be looking for any advanced forms of
life," said Ian Wright, a meteorite researcher in Britain. "But
in the microscopic record, there could be a rich variety of
things."

In 1996, NASA scientists stunned the world when another Mars
meteorite was hailed as containing evidence of life. NASA said
they had discovered the fossilized remains of tiny,
bacteria-like animals that may have once thrived on Mars. But
since the announcement, their theory has remained unproven.


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comments to news@al.com.

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                   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:17:30 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:58:52 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

>From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:31:58 -0400
>Fwd Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:31:58 -0400
>Subject: UFOs & EVEs - More Insider Evdience

>From: Nexus Magazine Volume 5, #5 (August-Septemer '98).
>http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/

>This testimony from a former US Army Signal Corps and CIA
>officer is the latest to confirm that the US government and
>military are withholding the facts about extraterrestrial craft
>and biological entities.

>by Linda Moulton Howe +A9 1998
>LMH Productions
>PO Box 300, Jamison, PA 18929-0300 USA

<snip>

>Kewper: 1957 to 1960. I was in the service starting in 1956,
>but I didn't get involved with this in the first year, you
>know.

>Kewper ... I went to Area 51 in 1958... they took us down
>about 10 miles away, something of that nature, and stopped at
>the first special area and they took us into the area there,
>and they had U-2s and also the SR-71 Blackbirds I believe they
>were flying them at that time...

In 1958 the SR-71 didn't exist. In November 1959 a mockup of
underwent testing at Groome Lake. Only on 30 January 1960 did
the CIA approve funding for the first 12 planes. Work began to
lengthen the runway to accomodate SR-71s only in September 1960.
Prior to this, the plane, even if it existed, couldn't have
operated from this location. On 26 February 1962 the first
SR-71 left Burbank by truck for Groome Lake. It arrived on 28
February 1962. The first flight of the SR-71 was on 26 April
1962. This is four years after Ms. Howe's informant, "Kewper"
was there.

If he can't get the easy facts straight, judge the rest of his
tale accordingly. Sounds like this self-appointed member of the
"aviary" is another Turkey, like Corso.

Bob Young
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                   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:49:24 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:10:36 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:35:06 +0100

<snip>

>>Ms Howe's investigations have taken in such diverse subjects as
>>crop circles, the chupacabras mystery, humanity's hidden
>>history, and the evidence for UFOs and ETs, including research
>>into the alleged Roswell UFO crash fragments and government
>>knowledge and cover-up of non-human intelligences interacting
>>with our planet.

Howe's informant even validates the Ray Santilli film!

>Are we seriously expected to believe this drivel?

>It is simply a fictional cover pushed by a small number of
>familiar people with no evidence to support it.

>The military are more than happy with aliens and no wonder
>sensible people like myself are leaving the UFO community in
>droves.

Don't leave yet, its getting more interesting. There are some
good people in Ufology, many of them are rather quiet lately.

>This is pure science fiction and it's use is to hide the
>reality behind flying saucers and other low aspect ratio
>aircraft.

>Tim Matthews

Tim,

The "informant" has hit all the right buttons ..  the Santilli
film, Roswell, Lazar,  CIA connections ...

I'm amazed he has not spoken on the Art Bell show.

Maybe he doesn't have his book/audiotape/videotape/CD-rom or
whatever ready for mass marketing yet.

About the only guests on Art Bell without a product for sale are
the call-in "Time Travelers".

Best Wishes

- Larry Hatch






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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:57:06 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:15:10 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

Dave Vettrick wrote:

>I'm also well aware of your points regarding how JBJ
>has changed his story. I'm not arguing any of this nor am
>I vouching for any of his claims about the photos
>now.

But don't the changes he made, major changes and not just the
small, unimportant ones make his story useless to us today? If
he had not done that, we might have a much clearer idea of what
happened in Ramey's office about 4 PM.

>About all I do agree with is that if it hadn't already
>been done, an anysis of the photos using today's technology
>was in order. Which is sort of how all this got started
>in the first place. But that's another story.

We did, and have, analyzed those photographs from a number of
perspectives. There is nothing in them to suggest, as Johnson
now claims, there was real debris. There is nothing to suggest
that there were symbols on the beams or evidence of the tape.

>What I am objecting to is what appears to be deliberate
>misrepresentations by Durant of what JBJ has said and done
>recently regarding the photos. Like I said in the my
>message, it's immaterial whether one agrees or not with
> what JBJ says now regarding the photos.

Actually it isn't immaterial at all. We can all agree that
Johnson took the pictures. But, if he begins to expand his
story, change what he said, and is at odds with the evidence
that has been discovered, then doesn't he begin to detract from
the Roswell case as a whole? Doesn't his expanded story and the
major changes suggest that he is being less than candid?

>What really got me going was when JBJ told me he has
>had no contact with Durant. Looking into it further I found
>many other out & out fabrications on Durant's part.

You mean just as Johnson had fabricated parts of his recent
statements such as the one in which he claimed he tried to get
me to retract the statements that he claimed were wrong. This,
despite the fact that I had tried over a period of months to get
him to respond to me questions. Isn't his attack on my
credibility damaging to the Roswell case?

>I'm not vouching for anything JBJ says re the photos or >what
happened in 1947.What I am addressing is what appears >to be one
more person who feels he can just makethings >up as he goes
along and pass them off as factual when they are >not.

Ditto for JBJ...

>I disagree JBJ's done more harm than the debunkers of the
> type Durant evidently is, who makes things up and deliberately
>lies for the sole purpose of discrediting people.

How about when the debunkers and the skeptics pick up on the
changes that Johnson has made and use it to prove that ALL the
Roswell witnesses suffer from the same problems? How about when
he makes charges claiming that he can see some of the symbols on
the beams that resemble the symbols on the tape claimed by the
Project Mogul crowd?

> If nothing is in the photos, as I agree is probably the case,
>that will certainly come out after experts have taken a look.
>That alone would be more than enough to silence, or even
>discredit JBJ. If he's made these claims knowing full well
>there is nothing there then he deserves the discredit he'll get
>in this manner.

He has already been discredited by the major changes in his
story. Yet, even after five years, he's still around, making up
more tales (he unpacked the debris), lecturing to the
unsuspecting, and producing more false claims about my research.

>But what he doesn't deserve any more than anyone else is to
>have soemone he doesn't even know makes up lies about him and
>broadcast them all over the internet.

I know how this works. Read some of the nonsense that Johnson has
published about me on the internet. Poor JBJ...

>We don't need people in the arena who are willing to flat out
>lie about people.

Exactly... and JBJ fits that description...

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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:21 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>...
>>With that important issue taken care of, perhaps Korff could be
>>induced to discuss those parallel or congruent sets of
>>quasi-horizontal scratch-like marks that appear on some of his
>>Meier photos presented in his book (of which no such marks
>>showed on Wendelle Stevens' 2nd-generation photo material
>>derived from Meier's originals). For many months Korff has
>>refused to respond to our previous requests on this. Why did he
>>not immediately notice that such marks in no way resemble a UFO
>>model support line? As anyone knows who has hung a piece of
>>clothing on an empty clothesline, at the point of suspension
>>above the hung clothing the support line takes on a shallow V
>>configuration. The point of the V is the point of suspension.
>>Same with a suspended model UFO. None of the scratch-like marks
>>on Korff's photo reproductions show any such configuration or
>>perturbation. This should have been immediately obvious to a UFO
>>investigator.

>The V wouldn't _have_ to be visible.

I'm afraid it would, if the support line showed up. Even a V in
it so shallow that one leg's orientation would differ by only
one degree from the other at the discontinuity in slope at the
bottom of the V, would be evident, assuming a support line is
visible. But it would take lateral support posts of surprising
strength to resist the tension that they would then sustain, for
a V so shallow that it approximates a straight line. (Balloons
couldn't begin to succeed at that.) However, in the photo of
Korff's p. 197, for example, the space extending from the right
of the UFOs out to the right-hand edge of the frame occupies
some 24 to 31 UFO diameters, and of course this space is free of
any posts that support lines could be tied to.

> But why bother about the
>indeed somewhat sloppy parts of Kal's research, if there has
>been proven _over_and_over_again_ that Meier is an absolute
>fraud.

It's only the sloppy research that has claimed this, plus the
mind-set that says "It just *has* to be a hoax." Plus the
ufological tradition that all contactee cases must be hoaxes or
self-deceptions.

>Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
>Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
>a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
>benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
>Janssen?

Because Bruce's research didn't really show this. Instead, it
showed that IF it had been a model swinging from a string, the
string would have had to be such-and-such (~14) feet long.
Granted he wrote his "Pendulum from the Pleiades" article (1989
IUR) in a tone that would be satisfying to negative skeptics of
the Meier case, of which he is one. But that can't be helped. He
at least did admit that he noticed in the video of the film that
the top of the tree did suddenly take a jump to the right (with
a speedy return) immediately after the UFO passed by it, and
commented that this could perhaps have been achieved using lines
tied to a model tree pulled upon by confederates at the right
moment. Yet no one has simulated any such thing. Korff has
assumed that the tree was not only a model tree, but the same
assumed model as at another location where Meier took still
photos. Yet Jeroen's web site shows a comparison of the two
trees scaled to the same apparent size, and with their most
look-alike features facing the same way; the differences between
them are quite noticeable.

An implicit assumption underlying Bruce's analysis is that
aliens/ETs wouldn't be smart enough or possess any strategy of
dealing with us that could be deceptive at times. Such as
causing their UFO to simulate pendulum-like motions, for
purposes that may be similar to those of the MIBs. That is,
Bruce never commented upon that possibility, perhaps because
most ufologists of note, and journal editors, do not care to
think about it. Yet Bruce has noted (IUR 18, No. 1, 1993, p. 22)
that some half-dozen videos of the red/white nighttime GB UFOs
showed movements with a quite regular oscillation. There are
other instances of this, one being in the MUFON J. of Sept.
1993, p. 20, where the primary witness reported the UFO "swung
like a pendulum" for a while. Obviously we need to keep the
capabilities and intelligence of the UFO pilots in mind -- the
"I" in ETI.

>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>excuse Meier came up with?
>
>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

You also need to keep the intelligence & capabilities of the UFO
pilots in mind, rather than ignoring it.

>Remember even his wife saying it'a all a hoax. (Ever since the
>'70s! Meier claims so himself!)

For quite a while she didn't want to believe it, until she had
her own sighting, along with her children and several other
adults. Her attestations on that are on video tape. Later she
reverted, apparently aided by the influence of Luc B.

>Remember Meier was seen purchasing helium several times.

Perhaps you could fill me in on the details of that, along with
source and names. And what size and weight were the helium
bottles?

>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

That's the photo that Wendelle Stevens had analyzed in Basel
with the best scanning computer available then (~1979), and had
enhanced. So when you look at that one, you're not looking at an
untouched copy of the original. You need only read pp. 339-340
of Stevens' 1982 "Preliminary Investigation Report" to learn
about that. That enhancement is also the photo whose enlargement
Timmermann used to post at MUFON UFO meetings as showing too
clearly a defined UFO edge to be genuine. I don't know if he
realized the history of it or not. If he had wished, he could
instead have posted enlargements of untouched Meier photo copies
that show the haze effect very well.

Jim Deardorff
Corvallis, Oregon
E-mail: deardorj@proaxis.com
Home page: http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/index.htm







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                  Mars Global Surveyor - Antenna Problems?

From: Steven L. Wilson Sr <Ndunlks@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:50:52 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:35 -0400
Subject: Mars Global Surveyor - Antenna Problems?

Mars Mission May Get Postponed

 .c The Associated Press

  PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - Engineers are concerned about the
mechanism for extending a communication antenna on Mars Global
Surveyor as it orbits the Red Planet and may postpone deployment
for nine months.

 Engineers don't know if anything is wrong with the specific
mechanism aboard the spacecraft, but they recently learned of
problems with similar devices, NASA said Monday.

 In a worst-case scenario, damage from failure of the device
could prevent the spacecraft from communicating with its
controllers on Earth.

 ``We have not made any decisions yet, but we want to take a
conservative approach in order to protect the mission as fully
as possible,'' said Glenn E. Cunningham, mission project manager
at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

 Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and began
orbiting the planet in September 1997.

 The dish-shaped antenna was stowed for launch and the early
orbital phase of the mission. It was to be deployed on a
6.6-foot boom before the prime mapping mission begins in March.

 Mars Global Surveyor has been using the antenna in the
undeployed position to send back images and data. But that
requires storing data on an onboard recorder, then turning the
entire spacecraft periodically to transmit to Earth.

 In the extended position the antenna would be on gimbals to
keep it pointed toward Earth to transmit at the same time the
spacecraft's instruments would be pointed at Mars.

 The spacecraft could begin its prime mapping mission without
extending the boom, but gaps would occur in its coverage of the
planet each time it turned to point the antenna at Earth.

 AP-NY-08-10-98 1942EDT

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                       Agri-glyph Near Hubbard, Oregon

From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:49:24 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:49:24 -0400
Subject: Agri-glyph Near Hubbard, Oregon

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Subject: Local Press Report On Crop Circles Near Hubbard, Oregon
To: updates@globalserve.net
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:47:59 +0200

Source: The Woodburn Independent Tuesday, July 28, 1998.

http://www.eaglenewspapers.com/woodburnindependent/cropcircles.htm


Stig


*******

The truth is out there ... near Hubbard

Appearance of crop circles in local field draws the
curious and the true believers


By Karen Tate


Researchers and curious onlookers raced to find an intricate
pattern of rings and pathways placed in a seemingly otherwise
undisturbed rural Hubbard wheat field July 23, hoping to find
some explanation for the mysterious crop circles.

The large, flowing design -- first shown on KOIN TV July 22 --
drew people from throughout the Willamette Valley to take a
look. Glenna Sherwood, administrative assistant for the Hubbard
Police Department, said people were calling and coming into the
police station almost nonstop.

"It was like Grand Central Station around here," she said. "You
couldn't believe this place."

Hubbard Police Chief David Dryden said several people called to
discuss aliens, and officers reported receiving calls from
interested people asking that the area be cordoned off until an
investigation could be conducted.

Crop circles -- made famous by their appearances in England more
than a decade ago -- are thought by some to be created by alien
spacecraft, even though many circles have been proven to be made
by people using ropes and boards.

Keith Ardinger, a part-time crop circle researcher from
Portland, said he believed this design was probably created from
microwave radiation. Ardinger spent nearly half a day looking
for the site, armed only with the knowledge that the area was
located in a field with power poles along Whiskey Hill Road.

"That sucker is really hidden," Ardinger said. "You'd never know
that (it) was there unless you were really looking."

Ardinger, along with several other people, carefully walked
through the field to find the site, looking for clues as to its
origin. Because of the lay of the land, the circles are not
visible unless seen from the air.

Ardinger said he was impressed with the design.

"This is the best formation that I've even heard of in the
U.S.," he said. "This looks real genuine to me; this is a good
one."

"People do fake them, but we can pretty much tell by analysis
whether people faked them or not," Ardinger said.

He said wheat samples would be sent to a scientist and tested
for internal changes that would rule out human involvement.

Carol Pedersen, coordinator for the Oregon branch of the Centre
for Crop Circle Studies, said the swirl marks in the wheat and
the color of the growth nodes located on grain stalks were
possible indications that internal changes had occurred.

Doug Aamodt, owner of the field, said he wasn't sure what to
think about the design. He said he became aware of the circles
when Ardinger and fellow researcher Pedersen came to ask his
permission to study the site.

Aamodt said he didn't mind people studying the field. "I'm not
ticked off at all," he said. "I don't know, what can you think?"

Aamodt jokingly said that maybe he would start selling T-shirts
at his field.

"It should be worth something," he said with a laugh.

Jonah Nail, who visited the field, said he was not convinced
that the circles were created by some paranormal force.

"I think some of them are real, but I don't think this one is,"
he said. "It doesn't fit the pattern of all the other ones. I
mean, why would they (the aliens) change the pattern?"

Sherwood said the circles were a mystery she would like to have
solved quickly.

"This is just nuts," she said. "I would just really like to know
who did this."


HUBBARD.jpg (13495 bytes):

These crop circles, located at the intersection of Whiskey Hill
and Barlow roads east of Hubbard, have drawn people from all
over the Willamette Valley and beyond to investigate.


Copyright =A9 Woodburn Independent, Eagle Newspapers, Inc. 1997
All Rights Reserved.






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                   Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

From: Hilary Thomas <standingrock@pagosa.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:16:31 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:04:26 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence


Hi all, this is my first time writing to this list. I have been
lurking and enjoying the postings.

The area of UFO and alien contact is exciting, even riveting on
occasion, but as a pragmatic person I am interested in finding
the kernels of truth in a quagmire of murky "stuff."

>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:35:06 +0100

>>From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
>>Subject: UFOs & EBEs - More Insider Evidence

>>From: Nexus Magazine Volume 5, #5
>>(August-September '98).

>>http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/

>>UFOs & EBEs
>>More Insider Evidence

I have to admit that this "mysterious" interview wasn't ringing
true. I do believe that there is UFO activity and by "UFO" I am
not necessarily convinced that it is alien activity (though a
part of me thinks that it would more than interesting if it
were). Additionally, in reviewing the "landmark" autopsy tape
several times I have serious concerns about it's authenticity.
It plays right into the beliefs of those wanting to believe in
alien contact rather than demonstrating a professional autopsy.

hilary

Together We Create Heaven on Earth
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             SERENDIP III - Still No Sign Of Alien Intelligence

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:55:00 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:43:12 -0400
Subject: SERENDIP III - Still No Sign Of Alien Intelligence


Source: Scientific American's September issue

http://www.sciam.com:80/1998/0998issue/0998inbrief.html


Stig

*******

IN BRIEF

Phone Home

Still no sign of extraterrestrial life, according to SERENDIP
III, the most sensitive sky survey to date. The search, led by
Stuart C. Bowyer of the University of California at Berkeley,
used a detector mounted on the world's largest radio telescope
in Arecibo, Puerto Rico. Starting in 1992, the instrument
analyzed 500 trillion signals, looking in a radio band centered
on a wavelength of 70 centimeters--a region typically reserved
for communications. No luck. But the team hasn't given up hope.
SERENDIP IV, now in the works, should be 40 times more sensitive
than its predecessor; it will simultaneously examine 168 million
frequency channels every 1.7 seconds.







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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Paul Reischmann <preischmann@beckman.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:18:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:40:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


>From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:33:18 -0400
>Fwd Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:33:18 -0400
>Subject: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

>Source: Jeff Rense's Sightings Homepage

>http://www.sightings.com/ufo/corsoexpose.htm

>Korff and Brad Sparks Claim Corso-Birnes Roswell Book Exposed
>From Kal Korff
>c/o TotlResrch@aol.com


Hi!

>Note - Replies and responses are welcomed and encouraged.
>EXCLUSIVE EXPOSE! Colonel Philip Corso and William Birnes'
>Bestselling Book Exposed as a Hoax! By Brad C. Sparks


I read Korff and Sparks response to the late Mr. Corso's claims
in his book, "The Day After Roswell" (Pocket Books/Simon &
Schuster, 1997).  What follows are some 'phrases' excerpted from
their short essay.

What might have been more effective for Korff and Sparks, would
have been to present only their discrepancies ('just the facts,
please!') and leave out the verbal assaults, especially so close
to the unfortunate death of a very respectable man.

Regards-
Paul Reischmann

-----------------



*****************************************************

(1)  (for those of you blessed with not hearing this rubbish
before)

(2) But in his haste to cash in on Roswellmania he has made some
fantastic blunders of history that completely expose him as a
fraud in the most embarrassing way.

(3) so there was no need to research his lies to get them
perfect.

(4) it explodes Corso's story as a tissue of lies.

(5) "Wiesner" himself was found dead by hanging in a London
hotel room, the victim of suicide, Corso claims (p. 87). Better
not tangle with that Corso, no telling what might happen!

(6) Corso has such a poor grasp of intelligence history as to
not know these well-known facts.

(7) There are lots of ways to explain this discrepancy, all of
them psycho.

(8) Corso's delusion is one year too late

(9) Not only is time warped in Corso's crazy fantasies as with
his "Wiesner" fable and the Kennedy moon-shot fabrication,

(10) Typical of Corso s absurd anachronisms

(11) he doesn't know what he is talking about on military and
intelligence history

(12) Another bogus Corso achievement

(13) Corso has done a poor job of reading up on space history
from comic books or whatever

(14) Doesn't Corso read the newspapers?

(15) Who does he think has launched satellites from Vandenberg
AIR FORCE Base in California from 1959 to the present day? Santa
Claus and his elves?

(16) Corso's complete ignorance of the Corona project,

(17) Obviously Corso has a very poor grasp of the Corona
satellites function and operational history.

(18) Corso gives whole new meaning to the term "delusions of
grandeur."

(19) Corso fabricates entire screenplays and dialogues

(20) the rest of his confabulations about his heroic role

(21) from his make-believe Roswell spacecraft.

(22) Corso to be a rank literary hoaxer










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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:54:27 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:46:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

Has anyone noticed that UFO magazine publisher (owner) is now
Bill Birnes?

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                  {93} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

From: Lloyd Bayliss <lloyd@POWER-AGE.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:46:46 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:50:50 -0400
Subject: {93} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

        ______ _______ ______
------ /  /  //  ____//     /---------------------------------------
 U K  /  /  //  ___/ /  /  /                        11th August 1998
     /  /  //  /    /  /  /  N E T W O R K           part 1 Issue 93
--- (_____//__/    (_____/------------------------------------------

The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 40 countries.

This issue comes in 2 parts. If any part is missing please mail:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be
reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject
section e.g.  Repost {93} part 1, part 2.

In this issue:

Editorial
---------
Dave's busy, so you'll have to put up with me for a while :)
Those long awaited Cydonia images from the MGS
Sky and Crop watching in the UK!
Some URLs to take a look at next time you're at a loose end :)

United Kingdom News
-------------------

[UK 1] Bright outlook for eclipse tourists
[UK 2] Z-shape UFO reports puzzle government
[UK 3] Triangular UFO over West Midlands
[UK 4] Could ET be real?
[UK 5] The Cornwall UFO Research Group Annual Conference
[UK 6] Everyone's gone to the moon this year, darling
[UK 7] The Doomsday gun
[UK 8] Amazing Footage Taken In Wiltshire


World News
----------

[W 1] AAFC Announces Agreement with Dr. Steven M. Greer
[W 2] Crop circle is discovered in county
[W 3] ET Bacteria Cause Of Human Diseases?
[W 4] Damaged Satellite To Be Sent Around Moon
[W 5] Col. Phillip J. Corso, Author of "The Day After Roswell" Dies


Statement, Subscription Information and Stuff
---------------------------------------------

How, where, and maybe even why, to find us - and what to do when you
get there :)

----------===============******************===============----------

Editorial
---------

Well hello there!  My name is Lloyd Bayliss (Lloydy on IRC, but I'll
answer to almost anything!).  Unfortunately, Dave is a little tied up
at the moment, so you'll have to make do with some of my inane
ramblings and suspect text editing :)  Just bear with me, and if you
have any complaints, I'm sure Dave would be more than happy to answer
them - NOT!

If you'd like to me mail me about anything, you can reach me at :-

lloyd@power-age.demon.co.uk

---

Ok, so as this is my first attempt at producing an email magazine
(or e-zine for short - see, I've even got the terminology at my
fingertips, frightening isn't it?), let's see if we can get some
sort of reaction from you lot of interested citizens out there!

Not so long ago, there was quite a bit of publicity about the Mars
Global Surveyor (MGS) and the new pictures of the Cydonia region.
Now, I don't know about your theories, ideas, beliefs etc., but I
for one was certainly looking forward to having this little mystery
cleared up, once and for all.  And so it was with baited breath and
eager anticipation that I awaited the first reports, and eventually
pictures from that dusty red plot of Martian real estate that has
been the point of much heated discussion for the past twenty years.

To be perfectly honest, after looking at the Viking images from all
those years ago, I expected some kind of dramatic revelation.  All
this talk of high resolution, greater detail etc., made my mouth
water with anticipation.  How many of you were disappointed with
your first impression of the new images?  I know I was, all I could
see with my untrained eye was mountains, ridges, valleys and
generally impressive scenery.  Impressive as it was though, and as
keen as I was to see 'something' that would indicate artificiality,
no matter how hard I looked, I saw nothing more than impressive
scenery.

Now, I've read reports of people seeing things in those pictures
that 'prove' artificial intelligence was once around on Mars, I've
even heard of people saying they could see doors and windows in the
side of some of the pyramids.  So how about you, do you see anything
other than rugged terrain in any of those pictures?  If so, where by,
and what are we looking at?  Mail us with your opinions on Cydonia.
We would love to hear from you with your comments, the best of the
replies will be published in a future issue of the e-zine.

You can either mail me at the address above, or mail Dave at the
usual address of ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk - we look forward to your
replies.

---

On a slightly lighter note, July saw some of the UK-UFO-NW members
get together twice in quick succession.  Once for the annual Skywatch,
this time held in sunny Cornwall, and again for an excellent weekend in
the beautiful Wiltshire countryside that quickly became dubbed as
CropWatch '98!

You'll have to wait until next issue for the reports and gory details,
and there's a few web addresses listed below to check out for now.
First of all though, I would like to extend my thanks, on behalf of all
that attended these two great expeditions, to the people that did the
organising!  Firstly to Raine and Crow, who did an excellent job in
arranging the Cornish visit and providing a home for the infamous
UK-UFO-NW tent!  Secondly, thanks to Darren for inviting us to Alton
Priors, Wiltshire.  The Barge Inn is well worth a visit to anyone in
that area - look out for the walks around there, they could lead
anywhere!

---


Lastly, and before I forget, here's a few www addresses you might want
to take a quick look at next time you're surfin'!

www.holodeck.demon.co.uk - *The* UK-UFO-NW home!
www.tedric.demon.co.uk/wiltshire.htm - Details on our visit to Wiltshire
www.crowman.demon.co.uk - Crow and Raine's UFO pages, well worth a visit
www.power-age.demon.co.uk/crop98/crop98.htm - Pics from Wiltshire
www.power-age.demon.co.uk/skywch98/skywch98.htm - Pics from Cornwall
www.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/cropcircles/ - More pics from Wiltshire

That's enough to be going on with, but if you find any interesting
sites that you think should be shared, or if you want your own
address shown in a future issue, mail us at the usual address - and
that goes for any other comments too.  Remember, we *thrive* on
your feedback!

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United Kingdom News
===================

[UK 1]******

Source: Sunday Mercury
Publish date: 12th July 1998

Bright outlook for eclipse tourists

THE great holiday rip-off has finally been eclipsed... following a
Sunday Mercury expose.

Last month, we revealed how greedy hotel, cottage and campsite
owners in Cornwall were set to cash in on a once-in-a-lifetime
astral phenomenon next year.

For two minutes on August 11, 1999, most of the county will be
plunged into darkness by Britain's first total eclipse of the sun
since 1927, and the last until 2090.

Four million tourists are expected to swamp Cornwall to witness the
unique event- but our investigation, revealed some accommodation
will cost FIVE times more than this summer.

Now a firm setting up ten eclipse campsites to cater for 200,000
visitors has pledged to keep prices affordable.

This will starve the rip-off merchants of custom.

Property development company Walker Group, of Truro, plans to rent
10,000 acres of farmland around towns like Truro, St Austell, Bodmin
and Newquay to house visitors.

The sites will each accommodate 20,000 tourists in their own tents
and caravans - and will be turned into mini-towns with full
facilities.

Tourists who want to book pitches must stay for a week.

Damien Burley, Walker Group development director, said the
privately-owned company did not want to fleece visitors.

He said: 'We want as many people as possible to be able to afford to
come to Cornwall for what will be a hugely memorable occasion."

Councillor Ken Hughes, chairman of Cornwall County Council's
development and tourism committee, said: "I realise some places are
going to jack up their prices to cash in, and I welcome anything
that makes them think twice about doing so."

---

[UK 2]******

Source: Birmingham Evening Mail
Publish date: Saturday 11th July 1998

Z-shape UFO reports puzzle government

MYSTERY today surrounded a series of lights seen high in the sky
along the length of western Britain.

Coastguard stations and the police were flooded with calls from
people who spotted the bright display late last night.

Many reported the lights taking the shape of the letter 'Z' or
number '2'.

While the lights were seen from Scotland to Cornwall, the largest
number of calls came from the Irish Sea area.

One high-flying aircraft reported what appeared to be a large
explosion in the sky above the Isle of Man.

An RAF rescue controller said there were no reports of meteorites
and so, far no explanation for the sightings.

Coastguards in Belfast reported dozens of 999 calls and said they
had watched lights above the north coast of Ireland in the sky for
an hour.

Watch manager 'Bungy" Willianis described the lights as forming a
large Z-shape.

He said: "It was very prominent and was north of the Coastguard
station. We were able to watch it from the windows.

"I can say that I have never seen anything like it before."

Another report was received by Teesside Air Traffic control tower
near Newcastle upon Tyne which reported seeing an object resembling
the letter 'Q' in the sky west of their position.

In a statement, a Government official said: "The sightings were from
as far apart as Cornwall to the Clyde, west to Belfast and east to
Leeds.

"Air traffic control systems were contacted and it was established no
aircraft were missing or overdue. RAF Fylingdales early warning
station reported no undue activity, neither  did Jodrell Bank.

"The sighting still remains a mystery. We can  only surmise it was
space debris or a comet.

---

[UK 3]******

From: "Stephen Tunstall" <stbs@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: 18th July 1998

{
UK-UFO-NW says: We have mailed Stephen for more details regarding his
sighting.  If anyone thinks they may have spotted this same object
around this time, please mail us here at UK-UFO-NW.  Look out for a
future update.
}

Triangular UFO over West Midlands

I would like to report a ufo that I saw last night in the West Midlands.

On 18th July 98, I spotted a triangle shaped object about midnight. It
appeared to be silver in colour which was travelling silent east to
west. There were no navigational lights on that I could see and this
object appeared to be only about 1,000ft high. It took about five
seconds from being overhead to out of sight.

Whatever this object was it was not a plane, helicopter or weather
balloon.

Could you please tell me if you get any more reports of what I saw.

---

[UK 4]******

Source: Daily Mail Newspaper
Publish date: Tuesday 30th June 1998

Could ET be real?

Scientists call for an inquiry into 'physical evidence' of flying
saucers

>From IVOR KEY in New York

FOR decades, reports of UFOs have both alarmed and mystified the
public.  Now scientists are about to sit up and take notice as well.

Yesterday, an international panel of scientists called for a
full-scale investigation of UFOs after concluding that some sightings
were backed up with compelling physical evidence.

And in a mild rebuke, they said colleagues who previously had not
taken some of the phenomena seriously might have something to learn.

The panel studied cases associated with inexplicable details such as
burns to witnesses and radiation damage to vegetation.

UFOs that should be investigated, they said, include a gigantic disc,
3,000ft in diameter, spotted in the skies above Paris in 1994 by the
crew of a military aircraft. It was on radar for 50 seconds before
slowing from 110 knots to zero and disappearing.

Also in need of exploration, are regular sightings of strange lights
above Norway and Texas, and a  cigar shaped grey metallic object -
giving off a powerful green glow - seen by witnesses on the ground and
by the nearby crew of an Army Reserve helicopter over Ohio in 1973.

The helicopter started to ascend, although the controls were set for
descent, and its magnetic compass started to spin wildly for no reason.

'Strides in technology'

The panel also recommend research into a 1981 case in  Trans-en-
Provence,
France, in which a witness reported an oval object emitting a low
whistle as it flew in for a landing.

Police and researchers then found two concentric circles and other
traces that, when analysed, showed the soil had been heavily impacted
with radiation and plants in the area had aged.

This first independent review of UFOs in 32 years was directed by
physicist Dr Peter Sturroc of California's Stanford University, The
last, in 1966, was undertaken by the University of Colorado after
being commissioned by the U.S. Air Force and the CIA.

It concluded that 'further extensive study of UF0s probably cannot
be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced'.

The Sturrock group, however, say strides in technical capabilities
now make the chances of understanding greater.

Dr Sturrock admits in a report that his panel found no concrete
evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence but says the scientific
community might learn something if it can overcome the fear of
ridicule associated with the topic.

It might even get funding for research to try to explain the strange
occurrences.

'It may be valuable to carefully evaluate reports to extract
information about unusual phenomena currently unknown to science,'
the report said, adding that such research could also improve
understanding of, and in some cases debunk, supposed UFO events.

The review, published in the Society for Scientific Exploration, was
compiled after an inquiry involving ten eminent scientists from the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Cornell, Princeton, Arizona
and Virginia universities as well Germany and France.

'Topic with a giggle factor'

They heard evidence from UFO investigators in America and Europe.

The panel said that despite an abundance of UFO reports over the last
50 years, and despite great public interest, the scientific community
has shown remarkably little interest in this topic'.

They said when scientists and officials not connected with the study
were told about its suggestions, they were surprised that a topic
with such a high 'giggle factor' might be resurrected for serious
study.

Dr Sturrock said that some reported incidents could have been caused
by rare natural phenomena, such as electrical activity high above
thunderstorms, 'but there were some that couldn't be easily explained'.

He hopes some scientists 'will read the report and become curious ...
the challenge is to do good science on this issue. It's difficult.'

The Air Force last year made public its latest report on the 1947
incident near the town of Roswell, New Mexico, when witnesses said
they had seen the bodies of aliens. The military said they were
dummies used being used in exercises.

The supposed crash of a UFO gave rise to a whole flying-saucer
culture of paranoia, including TV programmes such as The X-Files.

But like the Sturrock panel, the Air Force concluded there was no
hard evidence of aliens or their spaceships.

---

[UK 5]******

From: "Crow & Raine" <crow@crowman.demon.co.uk>

The Cornwall UFO Research Group Annual Conference

The Cornwall UFO Conference is almost upon us!!  See below for further
details:

C.U.F.O.R.G. Cornwall U.F.O Research Group
Presents
CONFERENCE 1998
Saturday 29th August 1998
TRURO COLLEGE (Lecture Theatre)
TRURO, Cornwall. UK

10:00am to 7:30pm
Doors open 9:30am

The SPEAKERS are:

TONY JAMES (Life in the Universe)
MARK HAYWOOD (Extraterrestrials)
REG PRESLEY (U.F.O/Crop Circles)
MATTHEW WILLIAMS (Underground Bases)
JONATHAN DOWNES (Chupacabras)
PAUL DAMON (U.F.O Phenomenon)

All Tickets 10.00
Entry by ticket only
For further information contact Dave Gillham on (01872) 276381

Or write to:

Dave Gillham
24 Carrine Road
Truro
Cornwall
TR1 3XB
UK

---

[UK 6]******

Source: The Times Interface
Publish date: 6th May 1998

Everyone's gone to the moon this year, darling

One small step for Man is now a giant leap for tourists. Lunar
vacations are no longer just sci-fi, says Nicholas Booth

It's a Friday, you've managed to leave the office early, you're all
packed with that book you've been wanting to read, a copy of,  The
Times under your arm, and finally, you  can relax. You're about to
spend a week on the Moon.

What was once truly-lunatic vision is now about to become a reality.
Its been a staple in science fiction for many years: space stations
choreograph themselves to waltzes, happy tourists bestride them in
lycra spacesuits, and journeys into space are simply routine.

Nearly 30 years after the Apollo astronauts hopped across the lunar
surface, the vision that got lost in the realities of space flight
and Cold War realpolitik is again being discussed and seriously
planned.

If a growing body of engineers have their way, there really will be
hotels on the Moon, perhaps within the first 15 years of the new
millennium. Compared with Mandelson's Millennium Dome, you ain't seen
nothing yet, for the hotels that will pepper the Moon will be far
larger and impressive than the edifice now taking shape at Greenwich.
The discovery last month of water ice at the lunar poles turns our
celestial neighbour from the equivalent of Skegness on a wet
afternoon into the Cannes of the Solar System, for it will allow lunar
holidaymakers to live off the land.

According to the latest calculations, there's enough water to support
thousands of visitors for hundreds of years, and those who build the
hotels won't have to bring all the raw materials with them.

So enthralling is the prospect that a British architect, Peter Inston,
has been working on the Luar Hilton, a five-star hotel which will make
the Millennium Dome look like a scale model.

It comes with 5,000 rooms, its own medical centre, church, schools,
power plant (using giant solar power panels) and its own beach and
sea, filled from the icy reserves at the lunar poles. It would have to
be self-sufficient to deal with the harsh, airless conditions on the
Moon, but there are no insurmountable problems.

Ask engineers at Nasa's Johnson Space Center in Houston who have been
working on lunar bases unofficially for many years.

Given limited funding for the occasional study, they found that lunar
soil would become great concrete and the minerals making up the soil
could be profitably mined. Glass-like crystals that pepper some of the
lunar rocks could be drawn into fibres for walkways.

The discovery of water ice turns a, desiccated destination into a
desirable place to build hotels. Split that water into its constituent
oxygen and. hydrogen and you have both the atmosphere and fuel, for
any bases - or hotels. Strip-mining techniques developed on Earth
would easily lend themselves to the harsher extremes of the lunar
poles.

Small wonder that the Hilton chain has been working closely with Nasa
on designs for a hotel that would be 325 metres high.

The interior would be plush, pressurised and comfortable. You could
walk with weighted or magnetic shoes, basking in the spectacular
views and the novelty of a crescent Earth hanging in the black sky.

In many ways, this idea is nothing new for Hilton Hotels. As far back
as 1967, Barron Hilton, the founder of the Hilton Chain, told a
conference of American rocket engineers: "We are going to have Hiltons
in space, perhaps soon enough for me to officiate at the opening of
the first."

In 1969, Pan Am took the first bookings for a flight to the Moon,
emboldened no doubt by the success of 2001: A Space Odyssey which was
in the cinemas when the astronauts made the first journeys away from
Earth. In the film, shuttles bear the Pan Am logo, though after the
airline went bankrupt in 1991, it is unlikely they will be available
three years' hence in the real 2001.

One of the first to book a seat was the then Governor of California,
Ronald Reagan, who latter announced that the US would build a station
in space when he became President. The first elements of that station
are being launched into space later this year, delayed after cutbacks
and a loss of political interest in space since the end of the Cold
War. But for would-be holiday-makers  there, is hope from the East.

Three Japanese companies have  spent millions on design concepts,
already, believing that tourism will one day make the trips
financially lucrative. The Shimizu Corporation have been working on
hotels in Earth orbit for many years, and now have a design with
inflatable domes, tennis and golf courses. Obayashi Corporation wants
to develop a self-sufficient colony which would feed 10,000 people
with organically-grown vegetables, and the Nishimatuu Construction
Corporation plans Escargot City, which consists of three large,
inflatable towers.

Only time will tell which of these concepts is the first to be
realised. As you sit back enjoying the view as your transporter
descends towards the lunar surface, you'll probably not care.

As a weary traveller, you'll have a more immediate concern, about
which Barron Hilton waxed lyrical in 1967: "If you think we're not
going to have a cocktail lounge, you don't know travellers."

---

[UK 7]******

Source: Daily Mail Newspaper
Publish date: Thursday 21st May 1998

{
UK-UFO-NW says: Although not UFO related this is one of our
occasional technology articles.
}

The Doomsday gun

Laser-guided weapon finds its own target

By DAVID NORRIS
Industrial Correspondent

A GUN which picks out an enemy in pitch darkness and kills him from
more than half a mile away has been designed in Britain.

Soldiers using it do not even have to shoot straight. 'Star Wars'
technology allows a laser beam to steer 1,000 bullets a minute to
the target.

At the same time it can direct a grenade to punch a hole through a
building or an armoured vehicle, or burst in the air over enemy troops.

'You can fire and forget, the gun does the rest,' said a spokesman
for British Aerospace, which has developed it at a cost of 5 million
pounds with its subsidiary Heckler and Koch.

The gun, which will be in service with the U.S. Army and Marine Corps
by 2006, uses a built-in video camera to pick up movement, indicating
where the enemy is. Through his sights the infantryman is offered three
targets simultaneously and can select one. The video tracker locks on
to this target, then a computer directs a laser beam to it.

When the soldier pulls the trigger, the computer decides whether a
powerful 20mm grenade is needed either to blow a hole through obstacles
between the infantryman and his target or whether they can be skirted
by an air-burst explosion.

If only a conventional automatic rifle function is needed, the computer
makes the gun fire 5.56mm shells.

It can also fire both modes at once in a devastating burst of
destruction.

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                 Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana?

From: Robert Earle <Robert_Earle/UT/ASP@autolivasp.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:13:56 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:22:37 -0400
Subject: Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana?

Hello list,

My father tells me the story of a sighting he had when he was a
boy, all he can really remember is that it was in Evansville
Indiana in the early 1950's.

He does know that a story was printed in the Evansville courier
sometime later and that it was reported by multiple witnesses.

Can anyone help me find out any more information or a copy of
the courier story from this event?

It was described as reddish and cigar shaped by him to me. The
closest I've found so far is a red cigar shaped craft sighted in
Louisville Kentucky in (1954?) if I recall correctly. But he
seems to feel his sighting was earlier than that and definitely
in the Evansville area.







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                Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:32:37 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:14:25 -0400
Subject: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!


It's always amusing to see Billy Meier apologists such as Jim
Deardorff try to rationalize a continuing stream of evidence
that indicates that the Meier case is not only a hoax, but that
Meier is a UFO cult leader.

Indeed, to endorse and believe in the Meier case, as Deardorff
does, is to endorse a UFO cult and in Meier's case, racism and
bigotry.

In my book "Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story,"
I provide conclusive evidence (along with photographs) that the
Meier case is not only a hoax, but that Billy Meier himself in
reality is the leader of a self-created UFO religious cult with
him at its' center. Despite this and other damaging evidence,
there remains what I can only call a small faction Billy Meier
"apologists" who still refuse to admit two basic, fundamental
truths:

1) The Meier case is a hoax. 2) Billy Meier is the leader of a
cult.

Rather than take my word for it, read what Billy Meier himself
has written and posts on his own web site! In addition to
supplying specific instructions telling people how to live their
lives, how much of their salary they the must give him, etc.,
Meier's writings are full of diatribes and harangues against
various ethnic and religious groups such as Jews, Christians,
Moselms, Catholics, etc.

Because Meier obviously feels "superior" to these other groups,
yet hypocritically refers to himself as a "Prophet," here are
Meier's own words for you to examine to decide the issues for
yourself.

In closing, for all you Catholics out there who also believe in
the Meier case, now you know what your leader honestly thinks of
you. And for those who are dumb enough to believe in the Meier
case, here's yet another embarrasing fact about your beloved
leader.

It will be interesting to see how Meier apologists such as Jim
Deardorff put their "spin" on this one.

Kal K. Korff


Billy Meier's Own Words:

"The Catholic Church has erected an influential and powerful
defense against the prevention of having children, respectively
birth control. The Church holds a totally irrational attitude
against any form of birth regulation and birth control, hence,
it is adamantly against all rights of women and their own
decision-making aspirations on children or pregnancy
termination. Politicians as well curb women's rights in this
manner. They sit in judgement and rob the women of their freedom
by way of national laws. The result: unrestricted increases in
birthrates are allowed to thrive in Catholic circles (along with
those of other religions) and endanger all life on Earth,
indeed, the very existence of the planet. The unrestrained
procreation of children without the capability to introduce
birthrate cessation and birth control is equivalent to fostering
a culture of death. The criminal Holy Chair of Rome,
respectively the Pope and all his lieges, have a horrendous
power, whereby its' occupant [the Pope] (as well as other
religions and their representatives) leads all humanity and all
life on the planet into misery, desolation, devastation and
destruction. (Emphasis added.)

"The Pope and the College of Cardinals at the Vatican constitute
the highest authority of the Catholic Church, which has a
worldwide following of approximately 1 billion believers of all
races. In 1968, Pope Paul VI's Encyclical Humanae Vitae came
into force, whose title reads as follows: "On the correct order
of passing on human life." Item # 14 describes the forbidden
means of birth control in great detail, in the exact manner by
which the means were concocted by the Pope, his cardinals and
others in order to discriminate against women; to curtail their
rights and to permit the continuation of the world population's
uncontrolled growth ? to the detriment and destruction of
mankind, all life and planet Earth.

"One last item must be mentioned here: Anything the Pope says is
hostile to humanity and life, and must simply be ignored,
therefore, His prattle is irrelevant. What he says is without
actual correlation to the issues now confronting the world and
humanity."

Billy



There you have it folks, words straight from Billy Meier's
mouth. For those who are especially of Catholic faith, I hope
you are rightfully offended. I don't relish publishing such
statements by such religious bigots as Billy Meier, but in the
interests of presenting the truth, and quoting Meier himself
directly so there can be no dispute, this is the only way to do
it.

I hope everyone reading this will start to wake up to the true
nature of the Meier case.





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                    Scientists Discuss Alien Intelligence

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:00:29 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:12:15 -0400
Subject: Scientists Discuss Alien Intelligence


Source: The San Francisco Chronicle

http://www.sfgate.com:80/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/199
8/08/10/MN18577.DTL&type=3Dprintable


Stig


*******


Experts to Discuss Mysteries of Science at Bay Area Universities

Alien intelligence, life's origin, genes among the topics


David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Monday,=BFAugust 10, 1998

=A91998 San Francisco Chronicle


Leading Bay Area scientists will explain and debate some of the
most exciting and controversial new issues in science and
medicine during a series of public programs in San Francisco,
Berkeley and Palo Alto next weekend.

Thirty-three researchers will speak at 15 separate events in the
three cities, focusing on such varied topics as genes and drug
addiction, extraterrestrial intelligence, alternative medicine,
cosmic evolution, longevity, the origin of life, the universe's
"missing mass," the fallibility of human memory and artificial
intelligence.

Sponsored by University High School in San Francisco and
organized by the school's physics teacher, Tucker Hiatt, the
series is the highlight of a new nonprofit project called
Wonderfest 98.

Among the speakers will be Dr. Dean Ornish, famed for his
unorthodox approach to heart disease treatment and prevention;
space scientist Jill Tarter, a leading seeker of signals from
distant galaxies; John McCarthy, the pioneer developer of
artificial intelligence; physicist and cosmologist Joel Primack;
Sherwood Chang, researcher into the origins of life on Earth;
and Richard N. Zare, a chemist seeking evidence of life in
Martian meteorites.

The discussions and debates will be held on the campuses of
Stanford University in Palo Alto and the University of
California at Berkeley and at San Francisco.

Tickets are required for all the events, and complete details,
including ticket purchasing information, are posted on the
Internet at the Wonderfest 98 Web site:

www.wonderfest.org

The information is also available by phone at (415) 447-5817.



WHERE, WHEN, WHO AND WHAT AT SCIENTIFIC CONFERENCE

Here is the schedule of talks and debates:


SAN FRANCISCO: UCSF's Laurel Heights Auditorium, 3333 California
St.

-- Saturday, 10 a.m. to 11:30 a.m., "Do We Understand How the
Evolution of the Cosmos Will End?" University of Michigan
physicist Fred Adams and UC Berkeley astrophysicist Greg
Laughlin; 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m., "Can Human Longevity Be Markedly
Increased?" Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory molecular biologist
Judith Campisi and Geron Corp. Chief Scientific Officer Calvin
Harley. 3:30 p.m. to 5 p.m., "Is Addiction in Our Genes?", UCSF
tobacco researcher Neal Benowitz and UCSF neurologist Kirk
Wilhelmsen.

-- Sunday, 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m., "Do We Understand the
Fallibility of Memory?" Stanford psychologists John Gabrieli and
Barbara Tversky. 3:30 p.m. to 5 p.m., "Does More Than One
Universe Exist?" UC Berkeley astronomer Alex Filippenko and
Stanford astronomer Roger Romani.


BERKELEY: Wheeler Auditorium

-- Saturday, 10 a.m. to 11:30 a.m., "Do Genes Largely Determine
Human Behavior?" psychologist Alison Gopnik and biochemist
Richard Strohman, both of UC Berkeley. 1:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.,
"How Is the Quest for Artificial Intelligence Progressing?"
computer scientists John McCarthy of Stanford, and Lotfi Zadeh
and Stuart Russell of UC Berkeley, David Israel of SRI
International and UC Berkeley philosopher Hubert Dreyfus.

-- Sunday, from 10 a.m. to 11:30 a.m., "Do We Understand
Consciousness?" UC Berkeley neurophysiologist Walter J. Freeman
and UC Berkeley philosopher John Searle. 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m.,
"Is the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Dangerous?" UC
Davis psychologist Albert A. Harrison and SETI Institute
scientist Seth Shostak. "Is the Discovery of Extraterrestrial
Intelligence Likely?", Project Phoenix director Jill Tarter and
SERENDIP project director Dan Wertheimer.


PALO ALTO: Stanford campus, Teaching Center in the Science &
Engineering Quad, Lecture Hall 200, off Serra Mall and Via
Crespi

-- Saturday, from 10 a.m. to 11:30 a.m, "Is Alternative Medicine
Worthy of Further Research?" cardiologist and preventive
medicine specialist Dr. Dean Ornish and Stanford cancer
specialist Dr. Wallace Sampson. 1 p.m. to 2:30 p.m., "Do We
Understand the Origin of Life on Earth?", NASA exobiology
researcher Sherwood Chang and NASA cell researcher Andrew
Pohorille. 3:30 p.m. to 5 p.m., "Would Life on Other Worlds Be
Like Life on Earth?" UC Santa Cruz chemist David Deamer and
Stanford chemist Richard N. Zare.

-- Sunday, from 10 a.m. to 11:30 a.m., "Will Einstein's Dream of
a Unified Theory of Everything Be Realized in Our Time?"
Stanford Linear Accelerator physicists Nima Arkani-Hamed and
Helen Quinn. 1 p.m. to 3:30 p.m., "Is There More to the Universe
Than We Observe?" Stanford physicist Andrei Linde and UC Santa
Cruz physicist Joel Primack.


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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:09:22 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:18:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:21 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>>>According to Meier and those dumb enough to _still_ believe in
>>>>him, Meier has a small pond surrounded by various one arm made
>>>>(Meier made) "crystals" of various bright colors. These
>>>>crystals, according to Meier's people at his cult, are aligned
>>>>and tuned into the right vibrational frequencies so as to
>>>>protect Meier from harm, danger and people with bad intentions,
>>>>such as those that want to expose the truth about him, etc.

>>><snip>

>>>>But back to the Pleiadian Physics. Meier is protected by this
>>>>crystal garden and therefore all bullets are going to miss him
>>>>and go astray and befuddle even the best of the dreaded
>>>>assassins.

>>>Hi List,

>>>When I asked a member of Meier's group whether this was true, he
>>>answered that the water pond Korff is discussing here has no
>>>esoteric meaning at all and that Korff's Pleidian Physics story
>>>is fantasy.

>Hold on a sec Jeroen, the part of Kal's posting you mention came
>from a message that all in all had a _VERY_ sarcastic tone, and
>I don't know if you should take it literaly.

Andy,

As I pointed out in my previous posting Korff makes his
"Pleidian Crystal Channeling Garden Water Pond"-claim also in
his 1995 book on the Meier case.

On p. 91 Korff shows two pictures of the water pond and the
caption reads: "Photographs of what Meier and his followers call
the "Pleidian Crystal Channeling Garden Water Pond". Designed
and built personally by Billy Meier, the "crystals " in this
"channeling garden" are said to help Meier receive his
instructions from the Pleidians because they are tunded to the
right "vibrational frequencies"!"

Obviously that wasn't meant sarcastic by Korff and therefore the
claim should be taken literally.

>The argument that you asked a member of the Meier-cult doesn't
>really do it for me aswell. When i tried to contact FIGU on a
>completely different matter, I was given different answers on
>the same questions from them. Also to me it is the same than
>trying to get an abused wife to leave her husband, won't work!

>Why?

>Simply because she absolutely 'believes' in her husband. Sure
>honey I'm gonna change, it wasn't meant to be that hard...new
>excuse everytime. Same with Meier's followers, no matter how
>many facts you shuff under there nose, they _do_not_want_to_
>listen_! They just KNOW you're wrong and they're right... :)

Well, why don't you contact them and see if you get another
answer regarding the question whether that water pond has any
esoteric meaning?

<snip>

>>With that important issue taken care of, perhaps Korff could be
>>induced to discuss those parallel or congruent sets of
>>quasi-horizontal scratch-like marks that appear on some of his
>>Meier photos presented in his book (of which no such marks
>>showed on Wendelle Stevens' 2nd-generation photo material
>>derived from Meier's originals). For many months Korff has
>>refused to respond to our previous requests on this. Why did he
>>not immediately notice that such marks in no way resemble a UFO
>>model support line? As anyone knows who has hung a piece of
>>clothing on an empty clothesline, at the point of suspension
>>above the hung clothing the support line takes on a shallow V
>>configuration. The point of the V is the point of suspension.
>>Same with a suspended model UFO. None of the scratch-like marks
>>on Korff's photo reproductions show any such configuration or
>>perturbation. This should have been immediately obvious to a UFO
>>investigator.

>The V wouldn't _have_ to be visible. But why bother about the
>indeed somewhat sloppy parts of Kal's research, if there has
>been proven _over_and_over_again_ that Meier is an absolute
>fraud.

You confuse evidence with proof here. You should keep in mind
here that _scientific proof_ stands for phenomena which can be
reproduced; observations that, under certain fixed conditions,
can be made by anybody; observation upon which normal people can
agree. The UFO phenomenon is sporadic and can't be reproduced.
When in science reproducable observations aren't possible, in
other words, when irrefutable direct evidence is missing,
"facts" are establised by means of critical, rational and
unbiased discussions of all the available (indirect) evidence.
ufology is an indirect evidence business at best and something
is seldom really proven in ufology. The 'explantions' and
'facts' in ufology do only indicate how probable something is
according to certain persons.

Discussing the probability of certain proposed hypotheses or
certain 'facts' should be permitted as long as scientific proof
for any theory is missing. IMO, in a scientific UFO arena it
should always be permitted to question the "scientific,
unbiased" research presented by certain persons and to discuss
their proposed 'facts' and 'explanations' and to examine if
their conclusions are based on a critical, rational and unbiased
examination of _all_ the relevant data. Whether the case is the
Arnold sighting, or the Trans-en-Provence case, or the Meier
case, or whatever case it's all just indirect data, and direct
evidence for whatever theory is missing.

So what you actually mean by writing "it has been proven over
and over again that Meier is an absolute fraud." is  "I think
it's very likely that the case a hoax!".

The question then is what's the basis of your conviction?

>Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
>Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
>a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
>benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
>Janssen?

What he did was making a case for the hoax hypothesis.
Presenting evidence, no scientific proof.

>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>excuse Meier came up with?

Again it's evidence for a hoax, but doesn't prove hoaxing by
Meier, other possibilities remain open, like alien
disinformation hypothesis, should also always be kept in mind.

>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

Yes, it stands in my garden now. :-) There certainly is indirect
evidence that a tree once stood there Stevens on p. 49 of his
book _UFO contact from the Pleiades: a _Preliminary Ivestigation
Report_ states that an acquaintance of Meier upon seeing the
developed pictures of the 9 July, Fuchsb=FCel am Hofhalden
sequence, located  the exact spots from which the pictures were
taken. "He found that the grass here was 20 to 30 centimeters
higher than the other grass around."

But also consider that two persons claim to have seen this tree.

But can you be more specific about how then these photos were
hoaxed? A model tree?

>Remember even his wife saying it'a all a hoax. (Ever since the
>'70s! Meier claims so himself!)

She was several times a member of a group of people who had a
UFO sighting. So there's a multiple witness aspect to keep in
mind.

>Remember Meier was seen purchasing helium several times.

Can you list more details about this. Source? etc.

>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

Was the jpg  from the FIGU site really the source material for
this analysis ?

>Etc., etc., etc.

>The list above makes you wonder why Meier is still an issue...
>Maybe we should accept Rael as truthfull as well, or maybe the
>Heaven's Gate cult was right also...

>A surprised and wonderin'

There's much UFO data in this case which is simply being ignored
by most UFO researchers, that data shows that the hoax
hypothesis is much more complicated. That data may have
important consequences for the ETH. It indicates that "they may
be playing games with us." And You only have to study the
available Meier case literature to find this out. By doing that
you will also find out how 'scientific and unbiased' Korff's
work really is.

Jeroen Jansen.






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From: Don West <hepsut2@webtv.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:34:48 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:40:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


Dear Kal:

Just read Brad Sparks' article re Corso. I assume that both of
you investigated these facts.

While I commend any and all exposes, pariculary in the field of
ufology; are there not perhaps other factors involved which
could possibly account for Corso's errors in reporting?

Could these dates, times, individuals have not been remembered
or put into the proper time frame or context by an elderly
gentleman, scanning the events in his memory? I believe before
we throw out the entire episode of Corso, it would be wise to
wait for hopefuly, some other sources or information to come
forward before we pass complete judgement.

In so doing we might very well lose some other source which
might be willing to step forward to corroborate some of what
Corso says.

If true, this, of course begs the question as to why Corso would
either conceive or construct such an incredible tale. Why?
Self-aggrandizement? Fame? Fortune?

In the event if was fabricated to bring shame upon him and his
famlly?

I really don't know what to say, except that if indeed it was a
hoax it appears quite convincing and it is difficult to
believe this kindly, elderly gent would stoop to a level of
deceit, all things considered.

I would suggest that it might be interesting for both you and
Brad to put out some "bait" (which I believe is part of the
reason for the article) - in order to acquire more info - either
pro or con.

Until I have a little more to go on, rather than some
time-lines, or misplacement of individuals, or buildings at the
time, I will reserve any judgement or your or Brad's opinions
on the issue.

Once again..bear in mind that I don't suggest not going any
further into the issue - please do. I would be curious to see
the outcome. By the way...I commend you for the Billy Meier
expose.....yet recently saw a post regarding the "crystals' in
Billly's pond,...which states that your book version was
completely untrue....and that you were never told such a thing,
re the crystal's "power" etc.

I should like to hear you clarify that whole issue.
Ironic...is'nt it? Now YOU are being accused of something which
you and Brad are accusing Corso of!

Oh well, Kal I don't know what the heck to believe at this
point!

And let's not forget that it's not over 'til the fat alien
sings!

Take Care, peace.

Sincerely,

Don





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                  {93} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network

From: Lloyd Bayliss <lloyd@POWER-AGE.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:49:48 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:04:56 -0400
Subject: {93} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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Source: UFO Updates Mailing List <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Thursday 16th July 1998

{
UK-UFO-NW Says: This article has been included here from the UFO
Updates mailing list.  As was mentioned in the Editorial, some
members of the UK-UFO-NW visited this part of Wiltshire a couple
of weeks back, where we met up with Matthew Williams and Co.

Check out reports and pictures at the following addresses :-

http://www.tedric.demon.co.uk/wiltshire.htm
http://www.power-age.demon.co.uk/crop98/crop98.htm
http://www.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/cropcircles/
}

AMAZING FOOTAGE TAKEN IN WILTSHIRE!! EXTRA EXTRA!

Welsh researcher and Editor of the popular 'Truthseekers Review'
magazine Matthew Williams (truthseekers@btinternet.com) has
filmed some potentially amazing video footage in Wiltshire. Last
week, armed with video camera and accompanied by a colleague,
Williams filmed around five minutes of video footage; just under
two minutes of footage of a military helicopter (Westland Lynx)
flying low and hovering near Milk Hill, footage of this
helicopter chasing what appeared to be a ball of white light
under intelligent control and three minutes of a cigar-shaped
object overhead!!

There seems little doubt that the helicopter was chasing the
object. Whether the h/c pilot knew of the existence of the
cigar-like object is unclear but the h/c did hover menacingly
over Williams' head - around 20ft - for some time. This clear
attempt at intimidation breaks all known low flying protocol.

So what is going on? Can this be a series of coincidental
events, unconnected in any way?

Does the military have knowledge about the crop circles
appearing in nearby fields?

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World News
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[W 1]******

Source: UFO Updates Mailing List <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
Date: Fri, 17 July 1998

American Artists Film Corporation Announces Agreement with
Dr. Steven M. Greer

PR Newswire - July 16, 1998 19:16

ATLANTA, July 16 /PRNewswire/ -- American Artists Film
Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: AAFC) announced completion of
an agreement with Crossing Point, Inc., a company headed by Dr.
Steven M. Greer, an authority on the subject of extraterrestrial
intelligence. Subject to completion of financing, the agreement
calls for AAFC to produce a series of television documentaries
featuring Dr. Greer's ideas and opinions regarding the existence
of extraterrestrial life. AAFC has six months, with an optional
six-month extension, to securing financing.

Dr. Greer is the founder and international director of the
Centre for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence ("CSETI").
According to CSETI, Dr. Greer has met with and provided
briefings to senior military, intelligence and government
officials in the United States and around the world, including
senior CIA officials, Joint Chiefs of Staff, White House staff,
senior members of Congress and congressional committees, senior
United Nations leadership and diplomats, senior military
officials in the United Kingdom and Europe, and cabinet-level
staff members of the Japanese government, among others.

"This agreement represents a significant opportunity for
American Artists to both showcase our creative talents and
abilities and to be associated with the presentation of the
ideas and opinions of an authority on the subject of
extraterrestrial intelligence," said Robert A. Martinez, Chief
Financial Officer of AAFC.

American Artists Film Corporation, based in Atlanta, Georgia, is
a multi-faceted entertainment company committed to the creation,
production and distribution of original, innovative programming
and films for a variety of media. AAFC has focused its efforts
on creating and producing programming for a number of venues
including television specials, television commercials,
corporate/industrial videos, as well as, developing
made-for-television and theatrical movies and out-of-home Large
Screen Video Display operations.

Forward-Looking Statements:

Except for the historical information contained herein, this
news release may contain forward-looking statements within the
meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1934, as
amended, and may involve risks and uncertainties, including
those relating to the availability of suitable financial
resources, the availability of management, production and
creative personnel, access to suitable distribution channels for
the Company's entertainment products, and favourable reaction to
those products by media, advertisers and audiences, as well as
other risks detailed from time to time in the Company's SEC
reports, including reports on Form 10-KSB for the year ended
July 31, 1997 and Form 10-QSB for the quarters ended April 30,
1998, January 31, 1998 and October 31, 1997.

SOURCE American Artists Film Corporation

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[W 2]******

Source: Paulding County Progress
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998
From: Kenny Young <task@fuse.net>

Crop circle is discovered in county

By DENISE GEBERS Correspondent

 BROUGHTON - Wasn't it just a couple years ago, Fourth of July
weekend, that the infamous Paulding County Crop Circle hit the
scene and put our little corner of the world on the map? Seems
like once isn't enough, because there is another one!

This time, the circle was not found from the air, but by a
Grover Hill farmer harvesting wheat July 6. Brian Ruble was
combining an 18-acre field in Latty Township when he first
glimpsed the phenomena.

He said, "I saw it from a distance and didn't know what it was.
When I got closer, I could see it was a crop circle. My
8-year-old daughter has been looking for a crop circle since she
and her mom went to see the one at Arend's. I never thought I'd
find one."

He combined around it. Later he told his father and his wife,
who called landowner Georgia Price.

"I don't know what to make of it," said Price. "I don't believe
in outer space stuff. I don't know why anyone would go to this
trouble."

She said her family has farmed the land 45 years and it has
never before produced such a crop.

A case of vandalism?

Sheriff Dave Harrow said his office received a report of crop
vandalism at 6:14 p.m. July 6.

He denied the existence of a crop circle in the county, although
he said the vandalism was circular in shape. He said his office
has no suspects and because the landowner did not want to press
charges, the case is closed.

Ruble said the sheriff came out July 6, compared the formation
with those in a book, declared it a hoax, and recommended they
to plow the compression under.

In spite of this, one witness said nearly 150 people were on the
scene later that evening. This circle has not been roped off and
had people inside it before experts arrived on the scene.

Samples taken for study

But, the circle was still intact over the weekend when it was
visited July 12 by Roger Sugden and Jeffrey Wilson. Both
researchers made trips to Paulding County when the first crop
circle was reported.

Sugden said he and Wilson each documented the circle and took
samples for study. Sugden took measurements, drew a field
diagram and checked electromagnetic readings (which were higher
inside the formation), before taking wheat and soil samples from
inside and outside the circle.

Samples taken by Sugden were sent to the Centre for UFO Studies
(CUFOS) in Chicago at the request of John Timmerman from its
Lima office; BLT Research in Grass Lake, Mich., at the request
of biophysicist Dr. William C. Levengood; and the Mutual UFO
Network (MUFON), a Texas-based research group for which Sugden
is a field investigator. He also took aerial and ground-level
photographs.

Wilson is an independent crop circle researcher from Eastern
Michigan University (EMU) in Ypsilanti, Mich., where he teaches
astronomy.

Similarities seen

There are many similarities between this circle and that found
two years ago in Jackson Township. Both occurred in a field of
bearded wheat, are about the same size, (this one is 92 feet in
diameter while the first was 93), each has an offset centre, and
both were centred between ditches. They're only three miles
apart (by air, five by roadway). This one spins down in the
opposite direction, however.

Sugden said nodes on the plants were enlarged and stretched,
which is a good indication of an authentic formation.

He also noted a single thick stemmed dark weed, he thinks
perhaps dock, inside the circle. "It is the only thing left
standing. It's about two and a half to three feet tall. If this
was hoaxed, they wouldn't have seen the weed and it wouldn't be
standing," said Sugden.

The formation lies at the back of the field with two north-south
ditches running through it and a lot of clover growing in it.

Because of this growth, Sugden feels the circle was made in late
June or very early July. He also said the landowner told him the
house just south of the field had been struck by lightning June
27. He believes there could be a connection between the two.

Awaiting test results

Sugden doesn't believe this formation is a hoax. Wilson didn't
have an initial comment. Both are awaiting testing results for
confirmation. Sugden, who also works with UFO sightings, said
there were no UFO indicators at the site.

Two neighbours in the quiet area two, miles south of Ohio 637 on
Road 131 said they neither saw nor heard anything unusual that
weekend.

The first crop circle was not hoaxed, but was caused by a type
of natural atmospheric disturbance, said Dr. Levengood. In May
1997, he released a report on his findings from crop circle
samples, taken from the Arend farm site the previous year.

The report said "the results clearly indicate that this event
was not, in fact, man-made. Instead, the findings support Dr.
Levengood's theory that very complex, turbulent,
thermodynamically unstable atmospheric energy systems are the
causative agents ... it is clear that both heat and
electromagnetic components were present, of the type that would
be expected in association with a highly-charged plasma vortex."

---

[W 3]******

Source: New Scientist
From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Saturday, 11 July, 1998

URL: http://www.newscientist.com:80/ns/980711/nkidney.html

ET Bacteria Cause Of Human Diseases?

By Michael Day

Tiny bacteria may cause kidney stones, a scientist in Finland claims.
Olavi Kajander of Kuopio University says these enigmatic "nanobacteria"
surround themselves with mineral shells that could cause harmful
calcium deposits in the body. He even speculates that the bacteria
may have arrived on Earth from elsewhere in the Universe.

Kajander found the bacteria, which are less than 0=B71 micrometres
long, in the blood of humans and cows. He says they are genetically
similar to other established types of bacteria such as Brucella and
Bartonella.

In the latest issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences (vol 95, p 8274), Kajander and his colleague Neva say the
bacteria erect mineral coatings. "They probably provide excellent
shelter," says Kajander. Because the mineral coatings are similar
to the aggregates found in kidney stones, he suspected they might
be the cause of the stones. Sure enough, he found that cells
infected with the nanobacteria developed mineral deposits both inside
and outside. And tests on 30 human kidney stones showed they all
contained the bacteria. "This isn't proof that the nanobacteria cause
kidney stones, but it's very strong evidence," says Kajander.

In a commentary on the research in the same journal (vol 95, p 7846),
Dennis Carson of the University of California at San Diego says that
these bacteria or their close relatives may figure in a host of other
human diseases. These include heart disease, some tumours and dementia
due to abnormal calcium deposition in the brain.

Killing these bacteria would take some time because they are protected
by their mineral coats. But Kajander suggests that long courses of the
antibiotic tetracycline might eradicate them.

John Postgate, emeritus professor of microbiology at Sussex University,
says the nanobacteria may be common bacteria that have shrunk due to
lack of nutrients. However, he would be surprised if they exist in
blood. "Cow's blood doesn't sound like a very nutrient-deficient diet,"
he says. "But we have to keep an open mind on this."

But microbiologist David Roberts of the Natural History Museum in
London argues that these shrunken bacteria could be near starvation in
blood, which can be difficult for some microbes to metabolise. He
suspects there may well be such unusual bugs in the "nanoscopic" world.
"People often fail to realise that life on a microscopic scale is much
more varied than life on a macroscopic scale. It's been around a lot
longer."

Kajander suggests the nanobacteria may have come from space. Unlike
other bacteria, he argues, they could survive the ultraviolet radiation
in space thanks to their mineral coats. "I guess a shell like that
would help bacteria floating around in space," says David Mackay of
NASA's Johnson Space Centre in Houston. But he adds that the idea is
wildly speculative at this stage.

Nonetheless, NASA has invited Kajander and =C7ift=E7iglu to join its
Astrobiology Institute, an interdisciplinary collaboration between
scientists all over the globe whose aim is to investigate the
possibility of extraterrestrial life and its implications.

NASA hopes to learn from Kajander's technique for culturing
nanobacteria. They are similar to small bacteria found in hot springs,
where many scientists believe life arose (but see New Scientist, print
edition, 11 July 1998, p 10). Nanobacteria may have been among the
earliest life forms on Earth, and possibly on other planets.

---

[W 4]******

Source: The Toronto Star
Date: Saturday, May 9, 1998

Damaged Satellite To Be Sent Around Moon

Apollo 13 Style Salvage Attempt First Of Its Kind

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In an experiment reminiscent of the
Apollo 13 rescue mission, an aerospace company has sent a
communications satellite out of its wobbly Earth orbit and on its
way to the moon for a slingshot manoeuvre to bring it back to a
stable path above the equator.

Hughes Space and Communications Co. said yesterday that engineers
at its Mission Control Centre in the Los Angeles suburb of El
Segundo fired the satellite's rockets Thursday, sending it toward
the moon.

  It said mission controllers had confirmed that the spacecraft
was on its way to the moon by using radio signals received on the
ground and by telescope observations.

``This is the first known lunar mission involving a
communications satellite and the first mission financed by a
non-governmental entity,'' Hughes said in a statement.

It is also the first salvage effort of its type.

On NASA's 1970 Apollo 13 mission, portrayed in the 1995 movie
starring Tom Hanks, an oxygen tank exploded on the spacecraft
when it was 321,000 kilometres from Earth leaving three American
astronauts without power or heat.

The astronauts crawled into the attached lunar lander while
ground control helped guide their craft around the moon and
safely back to Earth.

The HGS-1 satellite was launched Dec. 25 from Baikonur in
Kazakhstan atop a Proton rocket. While in flight the rocket
malfunctioned, leaving the satellite in an unstable orbit.

The Asia Satellite Telecommunications Agency (ASIASat), a Hong
Kong-based company which had bought the satellite from Hughes and
paid for its launch, recovered $200 million from a consortium of
27 insurance companies.

ASIASat had intended to use the satellite for television and
other communications in Asia.

After devising the salvage mission, Hughes approached the
insurers with their plan. The insurers gave Hughes title to the
satellite in return for a share of the profits if it can be put
to use.

Thursday's two-minute burn followed a series of shorter firings
to raise the satellite's altitude in preparation for its journey
to the moon.

Hughes said it expected the satellite to reach the moon in eight
days, travelling at 39,000 km/h. It will swing around the moon,
coming as close as 8,000 kilometres above the lunar surface.

The slingshot manoeuvre uses the moon's gravity to increase the
spacecraft's speed as it comes around the moon and then sends it
hurtling back toward Earth.

The satellite should reach a stable orbit over the equator May
16, Hughes said.

The rocket motors may be fired periodically to fine-tune the
satellite's trajectory and will also be used as brakes to put the
HGS-1 in its final orbit.

Asked why the rocket motors could not simply have been used to
put the satellite in a working orbit without going to the moon, a
Hughes spokeswoman said such a manoeuvre would have burned up all
the rocket's fuel. In addition to its unstable orbit, the
satellite's inclination was such that its transmitting antennae
were pointing away from Earth.

Spokeswoman Fran Slimmer said engineers would start tests on the
satellite when it reached its new orbit and would know by the end
of May if they had been successful.

``Once we know it is working then we will start marketing it,''
she said, adding that Hughes hoped to sell it to maritime
organisations.

Hughes Space and Communication Co. is a unit of Hughes
Electronics Corp.

---

[W 5]******

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"The Day After Roswell"

UK-UFO-NW offer their condolences to his family and many friends.
}

BULLETIN -- COL. PHILIP J. CORSO DIES -- UPDATE

Col. Philip J. Corso (U.S. Army, ret.) died of a heart attack at
approximately 11:15 pm EDT on Thursday, July 16, 1998. He was 83.

Corso, who was widely known for his controversial 1997 book, "The
Day After Roswell," suffered a massive heart attack in early June
of this year but made a remarkable recovery.

"He really wanted to stay," Corso's son, Philip Jr., told CNI News
in a phone call on Friday afternoon. "The last three weeks [since
the first attack] have been very productive. I knew he had more to
say, and he told me a great deal" about the Roswell UFO incident,
Philip Jr. said.

Col. Corso was at home on Tuesday, July 15 and was said to be feeling
fine when he apparently suffered a second heart attack at about
9:00 a.m. He was taken to a hospital in nearby Palm Beach, Florida for
treatment, but his condition deteriorated. Doctors decided to transfer
him on Thursday evening to Jupiter Medical Centre, where he had been
treated for his earlier attack. Col. Corso reportedly died at about
the time he reached the Jupiter facility.

Unpublished manuscripts and other UFO-related information left by
Col. Corso will be protected and made available in due course to
researchers and the public, Philip Jr. said. "This is what my father
lived for," he added.

Colonel Corso was a highly decorated soldier, recipient of 30 medals
and commendations during his long military career. According to
Philip Jr., the Colonel was most proud to have received the Knight
Officer Crown of Italy for his exceptional service in Italy during
and after World War II. Philip Jr. told CNI News that Col. Corso is
the only American soldier to have received this honour from Italy.

Col. Corso will be buried in a military cemetery near Orlando,
Florida. He is survived by two children, four grandchildren and one
great grandchild.

Condolences may be sent to the family of Philip Corso, Jr., care of
the Roswell UFO Museum. Send attn: Philip Corso Jr., PO Box 2221,
Roswell, NM 88202; fax (505) 625-1907; email care of deon@roswell.net.

In lieu of flowers, Philip Jr. told CNI News that a fund will be
established to create a memorial plaque in Col. Corso's name. The
memorial will be placed at "the true crash site" of the 1947 Roswell
UFO crash, according to Philip Jr. Donations in any amount for
creation of the memorial can be sent to: Col. Philip Corso Memorial,
c/o Roswell UFO Museum, PO Box 2221, Roswell, NM 88202.

Further information will be posted to the CNI News web site as it
becomes available.

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Contact with Non-human Intelligence, visit http://www.cninews.com/
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                Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Temple

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:43:05 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:48:47 -0400
Subject: Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Temple


[The picture Kal refers to below wouldn't open here at
 UpDates. Presumably, this is the same image that is
 at Jeff Rense's 'Sightings Homepage' at:
 http://www.sightings.com/ufo/billytemple.html
                                                -- ebk]


Hello everyone,

Here's a photo I took just a few months ago during a second,
secret undercover trip to Billy Meier's UFO cult compound in
Switzerland that I made in late March of 1998. The details of my
visit will appear, as internet rumors have been saying for
months now, in an upcoming 1 hour Fox TV special that will air
worldwide sometime in the next few weeks.

This photo shows a "Pleiadian temple" that exists on the Meier
compound...several of Meier's followers "worship" at this
temple. Notice it contains seven UFOs, seven stars in
"reverance" of the Pleiades, and other new age symbolic
nonsense.

For those Meier apologists who still insist that Meier is not
the leader of a cult, obviously his followers in Switzerland
aren't listening to you.

Kal Korff





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                      C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise

From: Steven J. Dunn <sdunn@LOGICON.COM>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:28:39 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:48:41 -0400
Subject: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise

[Steven, the .wpd file opened perfectly here.--ebk]

Those who have been studying this subject for any length of time
will have discovered a major problem in trying to separate the
wheat from the chaff--to find the nuggets of real data amongst
the piles of "bravo sierra."  A common complaint is that
*anyone* can call himself a "ufologist."  Mr. Ridge�s recent
plaintive posting illustrates this point. The CIA definition of
ufologist as "flying saucer fan" is quite accurate.

Of course, the reason for this is that "ufology" is undefined as
a field of study, and there is no qualification process. It�s
like in the 1800s where any quack with a bottle of snake oil
could pass himself off as a doctor.

And, there won�t *be* a qualification process until an
accredited institution accepts ufology as a legitimate science.

Let me now say [end rant], because this is intended to be a fun
posting. I think it might be an interesting exercise for readers
of this list to create a list of courses that would be used for
a BA/BS in ufology. We can ignore for this exercise the
"breadth" courses that are part of the liberal arts
tradition--history, languages, PE, etc.

Here is my first cut at it:

Background courses--

Physics 101
Chemistry 101
Biology 101
Psychology 101
Sociology 101
Thermodynamics
Quantum Mechanics I and II

and needed math--

Differential Equations
Calculus I -- IV
Statistics

(Not all of the above is in the first year, of course. I would
say Physics, Psychology, Statistics, & Differential Equations in
the freshman year, and the rest spread about as
needed/available. For my degree in Physics, I took freshman
chemistry in my senior year.)

Ufology 101 (2 semesters)
Text: _The UFO Experience_ I & II by Richard Hall

 "101" level science courses have a lot of history of the
science , e.g., thus-and-so in ancient times deduced the
circumference of the earth by the difference in the length of
the shadow of a stick at noon on a certain date in Athens and in
Memphis; Newton worked out his 3 laws in 16-whatever; etc.

Ufology 201--UFOs and Current Science
Text: _Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis_ by
Paul R. Hill

Ufology 202--Investigation Technique
Text: TI-02 "Field Investigations"
         TI-03 "Source Test and Evaluation"
         TI-07 "Prescribed Load List"

Interviewing Techniques (probably a sociology or communications
class)

Ufology xxx--Introduction to the �new" physics.

Ufology xxx--Hoaxes and how to spot them

You get the idea. If we get enough good minds on this, we might
just come up with a viable curriculum.

Steven





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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:46 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:46 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:48:25 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

[Unfortunately, Fran neglected to Cc: UpDates a copy of
 Bob Durant's response to a message posted to this List -
 hence it being a couple of days old. --ebk]

________________________________________

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:11:13 -0500
From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
Subject: Reply to Vetterick
To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM


Mr. Vetterick and List:

On May 18, 1998 J. Bond Johnson posted on the Internet a
lengthy "news release" with the following extremely provocative
headline: "Air Force General Cleared of Fraud Charges as Roswell
'Balloon Switch' Story Shot Down by Modern High Tech Photos
Examination."

The "press release" was written as if a reporter had researched
the story and interviewed Johnson. Because it appeared to
originate with a professional journalist, this gave the story --
and J. Bond Johnson -- extra credibility.

To Roswell researchers, this was anything but news. Ten years
ago, Johnson, together with William Moore and Jaime Shandera,
had published articles insisting that the photos taken by
Johnson in General Ramey's office in 1947 showed not a radar
reflector, but real extraterrestrial debris. It requires no
special expertise to discern at a glance that the photos are of
a battered radar reflector, and nothing else. But the team of
Johnson, Moore and Shandera insisted otherwise, and managed to
waste a huge amount of the time of Roswell researchers before
the matter was laid to rest. Johnson faded from the scene.
Suddenly, here was Johnson again, with the "real debris" tale
resurrected.

Like the rest of the world, I wondered if there might be
something to his claim. So I asked a ufological colleague to
contact Johnson and ask specific questions such as exactly where
and on exactly which photograph one could find the anomalous
debris. Since then, my friend (whom I decline to name here) has
spent many hours on the telephone with Johnson and many more
hours exchanging email. None of this has been to any avail.
Johnson refuses to get specific about the central claim. As of
today, Johnson has failed to provide any documentation or
guidance that would allow a third party to verify his extremely
important claim. In any field but ufology, a man carrying on
this way would be censured.

In his press release and in other postings, Johnson claimed
that the University of Texas held the photographs under high
security, that they were arranging a special public showing of
huge blowups showing the extraterrestrial debris, and that the
University and the Air Force had engaged in a heated argument
about the photos. I telephoned the University to order a set of
the photographs and also to check on these other claims.
University personnel told me that Johnson's claims were false.
In my June 15 posting I include a letter sent to me by the
Library specifically contradicting Johnson's claim about
friction between the Library and the Air Force.

The June 1, 1998 CNI News has this to say about the "press
release": "CNI News has learned that a lengthy statement posted
to the internet on or about May 18, 1998 titled (see above)
contains many inaccuracies."  Ironically, Mr. Vetterick seems to
cite CNI News as supporting Johnson.

In the midst of this, we see Johnson claiming that Kevin Randle
misquoted him, Randle pulling out the tape recordings where
Johnson said precisely what Randle quoted him as saying, and,
most tellingly, Johnson never blinking. He still maintains that
Randle misquoted him!

Recently, Johnson sent word through a third party that he is
going to sue me. His message said he was filing a "federal
libel" suit, and that he needed an apology from me within a few
days because the statute of limitations in California was
forcing him to act quickly. This is pure J. Bond Johnson.
There is no such thing as a "federal" cause of action for libel.
The statute of limitations in California for libel, whatever it
is, is not measured in days. (I suppose he has hired the law
firm of Moore, Shandera and Collins to represent his interests.)

Vetterick wonders how I could carry on this way when I have
never had any contact whatsoever with Johnson. Per the above, a
colleague was wasting his time that way, while I was wasting my
time on the telephone with the University of Texas, then
studying the result of my $196 investment, and then writing the
article lampooning Johnson. In sum, why bother?  I have a
complete record of everything Johnson has said in public, as
well as a complete record of what he has said in private
communications to my colleague. Makes for interesting reading,
especially if Johnson wants to get "real" about any of this.

What seems to have been lost in the J. Bond shuffle is that
there are people who take Roswell seriously and have devoted a
huge chunk of their lives to that mystery. Some deference
should be given to them. If, after examining with care the
claims of J. Bond Johnson and finding them to be nothing more or
less than a series of misrepresentations, those researchers lose
patience, reasonable people should understand.

What is left is for Johnson's supporters to do their own
research into the photographs and into the allegations about the
University of Texas, and to listen to Randle's tapes. Simply
sniping at those who have done all of that, won't suffice. Show
us the "extraterrestrial debris" -- or shut up.

Finally, I did not say that J. Bond Johnson is senile. When
one looks at the record, one must wonder if there might be
something wrong with the fellow. But what I concluded is that
he is just a jokester, pulling everyone's leg. That is the most
charitable way to characterize him and his forays into
never-never land. If nothing else, I am a very charitable
fellow. But those who are close to J. Bond need to keep and eye
open and do what is right for the man.

I don't intend to engage in further correspondence on this
topic.

--Bob Durant





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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: James S. Mortellaro Jnr. <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:41 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


What is interesting about this expose, is that it has surfaced
after Corso's death;  when he is unable to defend himself. His
death, this expose & etc, is most convenient, is it not?

Corso's book has been out for quite some time. I read it the
better part of a year ago. This tome requires research in order
to verify the claimant's assertions. Not to say the claimant is
incorrect, just that it must be verrified, under the
circumstances.

Personally, I would have appreciated the expose infinitely more,
had the author the courage to confront a living Corso. Whether
right or wrong, it seems out of character for  military mind to
have made such serious errors, however it is telling that his
memory was in it's twighlight years.

Got any more bright ideas?

Jim





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               Phoenix March '97 UFO 'Scared Hell' Out Of F-15

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:43:55 -0400
Subject: Phoenix March '97 UFO 'Scared Hell' Out Of F-15



Source: Jeff Rense's SIGHTINGS HOMEPAGE

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/ufoscarescramble.htm


Phoenix March 1997
UFO 'Scared the Hell'
Out Of Scrambled F-15 Pilot
From Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
From www.artbell.com
8-11-98




The following text is the edited transcript of a conversation
that took place between Peter B. Davenport, Director of the
National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, and a person who
telephoned the Center at 0320 hrs. (Pacific) on Friday morning,
March 14, 1997.

The caller asserted that he had just been personal witness to an
intercept of a very large craft by two U. S. Air Force
McDonnell-Douglas F-15c fighters directly above downtown
Phoenix, Arizona, at approximately 2035 hrs. on Thursday, March
13, 1997.


((BEGIN TEXT)) NUFORC: Let me start the tape, and I'll put a
time mark on... For the record, it's, ah, 0320 hrs. on Friday,
the 14th of March, 1997.

I'm talking with a gentleman who's just calling from Phoenix.
O.K., sir, go ahead.

CALLER: That's correct. uh, the, Luke Air Force Base is actually
in Litchfield. I'm, I'm, ah.. I got off shift about 30 minutes
ago. At, uh, 8:15, ah, the F-... "Ready Alert" at Luke Air Force
Base, which is the F-15^... two F-15's that we keep on "Ready
Alert"... They're part of the Air Force One and Air Force Two
"Protection Group"... to protect 'em when they come west of the
Rockies, whenever the President or any dignitary is on board.

They were launched because all Hell broke loose, basically.
Apparently, we got a call from, ah, Prescott Valley Airport, a
small airport, um, north of us... I'm sorry, northwest. And
reporting an object that had a near miss with a small Cessna
aircraft.

The call came up once ("wants" ??) "Ready Alert." Approximately
8:32, uh, from my understanding, that they encountered something
over the sky, over Phoenix, Arizona, over the area of 7th Avenue
and Indian School Road. They don't know what it was. The
description that the pilot one of the pilots stated that they
had a visual on it, they've got gun camera film of it, they have
no radar tape of it. It scared the hell out of them. I've never
seen this ((rank/name deleted)) I'm talking about, he, uh, the
command pilot of this particular flight, he'll never talk to
you. He's a real professional. I've never seen this man, oh,
I've never seen this man scared.

Are you familiar with the term, "white noise "blanking out"
radar? My understanding is, that's what they got, was strictly
white noise.

His statement was that they followed this aircraft it went on a
straight-line course, heading towards "vector" ((Sky)) Harbor
Airport, which is one of our main airports here, and it entered
the pattern Sky Harbor Airport. Crossed the pattern of the
outbound runways. The outbound runways at that time the wind was
coming in from the west.

They encountered going in, originally, uh, two 737's, and a
DC-10 taking off from Sky Harbor. We have an America West hub
here, so we've got a lot of civilian flights.

They... this aircraft stayed at... it was, um, his understanding
was that it was at approximately 18,000 feet, descending to 10
thousand five. When it got to "Angels 10," 10-5, it completely
went dark. He doesn't know if it was one aircraft, or several
aircraft. He saw five distinct lights in a triangular pattern.

First three lights were in a tight triangular formation. Uh, one
of the rear lights was with, at starboard at about... he said
that it was about 200 yards. And then the other light was at
about 400 yards, also on the east side of the triangle, if you
will.

His belief is that this might have been more than one aircraft.
He could not describe the aircraft. All he could say is that
there were lights... there were no strobe lights. It was ((a))
light, he said, as bright as a star. Not like the North Star
Right now, Mars and Jupiter are very bright in the sky. But this
was not very bright. And, uh, they dimmed. And when they dimmed,
he realized landing lights generally do not have that
capability.

They then went and they dimmed in unison. Upon after dimming,
they they went completely dark. The aircraft then passed into
the pattern. They came back on followed the straight line of 7th
Avenue, which, like, cuts right through Phoenix.

And they kept on going. They turned... they came back on just as
they passed a mountain called "South Mountain." He, he was
scared to death. He's not sure what it was. After they landed,
the base was... we had a complete "lock down." The facility was
closed. ((END TEXT))

This information has been provided by the National UFO Reporting
Center. All inquiries and comments may be directed to the
addresses appearing below:

NATIONAL UFO REPORTING CENTER P. O. Box 45623 University Station
Seattle, WA 98145 Web: www.ufocenter.com E-Mail:
director@ufocenter.com UFO Hotline: (206) 722-3000

(Copyrighted by the National UFO Reporting Center)
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                The Fort Worth Photographs [was: The Wit and

From: Neil Morris <Neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:49:31 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:36:17 -0400
Subject: The Fort Worth Photographs [was: The Wit and


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:57:06 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

I have so far been an impassive observer to the ongoing debate
regarding these images but after Kevin's dismissive statement:

>We did, and have, analyzed those photographs from a number of
>perspectives. There is nothing in them to suggest, as Johnson
>now claims, there was real debris. There is nothing to suggest
>that there were symbols on the beams or evidence of the tape.

I felt I had to jump in, rather earlier than I had hoped as my
own reseach in this matter is still at an embrionic stage. But I
do have some results to share.

Though I greatly respect Kevin's research findings I do have to
take task with the above statement. Like the majority I suspect,
of the UFO community I firstly took James Bond Johnson's claims
with a very large pinch of salt, but professional curiosity, my
day job here at the University involves me with both data
analysis and processing for display by computer, proffered a
very large, "What if?". So I took the time and trouble to dig a
little deeper and didn't dismiss his claims out of hand.

I therefore contacted James Bond Johnson who I found (and still
find) a most "enthusiastic" soul, willing to respond where he
could with the details of that afternoon in 1947. Though the
pattern of events that afternoon I have found interesting to
reconstruct my primary objective was the examination of the
images he took, timewise these are "cast in concrete" and are
NOT subject to the ravages of time on memory, they speak as
clearly now as they did on the day they were developed save for
the few scratches thay have gathered in the archives over the
years.

After just a few weeks now examining these images sometimes, in
very great detail, via computer enlargement and enhancement, I
have to say that from being highly skeptical on embarking on
this project I now find myself saying, Yes, there are features
within these images that warrent their close re-examination, and
Yes I believe there are features in them that are consistent
with heiroglyphic symbols.

Some of my very early results can be accessed at:

http://adm2.ph.man.ac.uk/ftw-pics/index.htm

Some of the later results, yes including the "glyphs" are at:

http://adm2.ph.man.ac.uk/ftw-pics/new-1/index.htm

Look at these pictures carefully, judge for yourself, the "foil"
glyphs shown can be observed with the naked eye on the original
prints, (on mine they can) though many of the other features
require "enhancements" via computer.

I hope to start a more detailed "sweep" of the original images
shortly the results of which will find their way onto my site, I
will inform this list when any such update is made. If you do
access my web site please note this is my own workstation as may
at times have rather a slow response, just keep trying, it has
other jobs to do as well as serving the WWW.

Best Regards
Neil.


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              Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 09:18:21 PDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:18:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!


>From:  Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:32:37 EDT
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Billy Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!

<snip>

>In closing, for all you Catholics out there who also believe in
>the Meier case, now you know what your leader honestly thinks of
>you. And for those who are dumb enough to believe in the Meier
>case, here's yet another embarrasing fact about your beloved
>leader.

>It will be interesting to see how Meier apologists such as Jim
>Deardorff put their "spin" on this one.

>Kal K. Korff


>Billy Meier's Own Words:

>"The Catholic Church has erected an influential and powerful
>defense against the prevention of having children, respectively
>birth control. The Church holds a totally irrational attitude
>against any form of birth regulation and birth control, hence,
>it is adamantly against all rights of women and their own
>decision-making aspirations on children or pregnancy
>termination. Politicians as well curb women's rights in this
>manner. They sit in judgement and rob the women of their freedom
>by way of national laws. The result: unrestricted increases in
>birthrates are allowed to thrive in Catholic circles (along with
>those of other religions) and endanger all life on Earth,
>indeed, the very existence of the planet. The unrestrained
>procreation of children without the capability to introduce
>birthrate cessation and birth control is equivalent to fostering
>a culture of death. The criminal Holy Chair of Rome,
>respectively the Pope and all his lieges, have a horrendous
>power, whereby its' occupant [the Pope] (as well as other
>religions and their representatives) leads all humanity and all
>life on the planet into misery, desolation, devastation and
>destruction. (Emphasis added.)

>"The Pope and the College of Cardinals at the Vatican constitute
>the highest authority of the Catholic Church, which has a
>worldwide following of approximately 1 billion believers of all
>races. In 1968, Pope Paul VI's Encyclical Humanae Vitae came
>into force, whose title reads as follows: "On the correct order
>of passing on human life." Item # 14 describes the forbidden
>means of birth control in great detail, in the exact manner by
>which the means were concocted by the Pope, his cardinals and
>others in order to discriminate against women; to curtail their
>rights and to permit the continuation of the world population's
>uncontrolled growth ? to the detriment and destruction of
>mankind, all life and planet Earth.

>"One last item must be mentioned here: Anything the Pope says is
>hostile to humanity and life, and must simply be ignored,
>therefore, His prattle is irrelevant. What he says is without
>actual correlation to the issues now confronting the world and
>humanity."


Not being a "Billy Meier apologist" -- I think he's a hoaxer in
the Adamski mold, except a better businessman than his model --
I think I can speak to the above, which seems to be much about
little. Yes, the sentiments can be construed as anti-Catholic.
They are, however, hardly unprecedented in current
political/theological/ideological discourse.Meier's sentiments
sound as if they could have been lifted intact out of radical
feminist polemic.I think Kal would be wise to use better
arguments here.

Jerry Clark






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                Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:02:41 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:18:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

Serge, sorry for the delayed answer on this but I was away for a
week for a happy occasion.

Jerry

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:54:18 -0400
>Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:25:42 -0400
>Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

>>Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:50:05 -0400
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
>>Subject: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments

>>>From: The Duke of Mendoza - Peter Brookesmith <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
>>>Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:56:04 -0400
>>>Fwd Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:38:58 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Triangular UFOs over Belgium

>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>>From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Triangular UFOs over Belgium
>>>>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:53:17 -0400
>
>>>>>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:05:29 -0700
>>>>>From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <skytracker@geocities.com>
>>>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>>>Subject: Triangular UFOs over Belgium

>>Peter's correspondence re Serge and Kyle from above:
>>http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/jul/m22-004.shtml

>>>>The 1989 Belgium UFO flap was debated on the List last year.
>>>>The debate turned out to be the usual: skeptics on one side,
>>>>truth seekers on the other.

>>....snip....

>>>I suggest Kyle looks up the discussion of the Belgian flap on
>>>the Ufomind/UpDates Web archive (address below), where he will
>>>find "truth" seekers inventing such items as supersonic
>>>balloons and putting them into the mouths of skeptics. He will
>>>also find Mendoza saying he thought the evidence for there
>>>being an actual FT craft involved was inconclusive, and that
>>>little was proven one way or the other, or words to that
>>>effect.

>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>>JC:   Unfortunately there was no URL below that would take us
>>directly to the file in question.

>>Notwithstanding, what we really need to do is find the
>>essential "data" of this case by getting to the core of
>>discussions which may contain same, and eliminating all the
>>non-data type words which tend to flow when one party or the
>>other feels affronted for various reasons.

>[...]

>Jerry,

>I have noticed that your synopsis covers ONE sighting of the
>Belgian UFO Flap. But there is some small data missing...

>From: Vague d'Ovni sur La Belgique, written by the SOBEPS in
>1991, a 502 pages book on the Belgium UFO flap.

>In chapter 9 (pp. 437-442) we get statistics on 632 reports
>(capitalized numbers are mine) from November 29 1989 to March 12
>1991.

>With a rough surface of 31,000 square kilometers Belgium is, for
>an American, 1.5 times the size of the New Jersey. It should fit
>300 times inside continental United States, 8 times inside Great
>Britain, 18 times inside France. It fits twice within itself due
>to national problems.

>To get an idea of the flap this would have had the US with
>nearly 190,000 UFO sightings in 16 months, Great Britain with
>over 5 000 cases, France with more than 11,000.

>(Professor Meessen was invited by "UFO Quebec" to Montreal in
>fall of 1992 (or was it 1991). You understand that I jumped out
>of my chair when one speaker - not Meessen! - started comparing
>the Belgium flap with an alleged similar flap in Canada. When I
>asked the speaker how many Canadian sightings he was talking
>about and he answered 132, I looked at the guy and started to
>ask him some questions about geography.)

>Of course none of the 632 reports is worth looking into. The
>magic of numbers has had the debunkers ojsimpsonize the F-16
>case and thus contaminate the other 631 cases.

>That's how you go from flap to flop.

>This is science.

>Please add this to any future synopsis you make on the Belgium
>UFO flap.

>Serge Salvaille

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JC:   Thank you for your comments Serge, and I most certainly
will, as your point is well taken. Of course you are correct
regarding the breadth and depth of the Belgian sightings. I only
selected that particular case as I had downloaded the
discussions in question regarding this particular case and
noticed it had numerical flight recorder data supplied by the
Belgium Air Force along with the descriptions by the Belgium
police on the ground. I thought Henny had made some good points
regarding same and it appeared to me that this case, by itself,
contradicts what Peter B. had said. Obviously the others you
mentioned could add weight to this as well.

As I had said at the outset of the "Oberg/Cooper rebuttals," we
can continually look at all the weakest arguments regarding UFOs
or we can focus on places where apparently solid data, that
scientists might examine, "exists." Peter seemed to be taking
the prior approach. Henny seemed, at least to me, to be
providing us with at least one solid analysis regarding that one
particular case from the Belgium grouping. I'm sure we'd all
like to hear from other scientists if they agree or disagree
with Henny as well.

Serge, it appears you probably have cases with other types of
verified data in them (not necessarily numerical), and we should
attempt to post what we feel are the most skeptic resistant in
this regard. I hope you will help us out with this as I do not
have the vast number of cases you apparently have at your
disposal. It would also be interesting to determine any possible
connections with other similar cases that happened within that
particular time frame, and perhaps at the same time, gather
suggestions from people of different disciplines as to how other
scientific analyses or breakdowns might be performed on same.
(i.e. analyses that haven't been performed already.)

Respectfully,
Jerry Cohen

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              Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!

From: Jeff Westover <jeff.westover@mailexcite.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:25:57 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:18:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:32:37 EDT
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Billy Meier Asks People to Ignore Pope, Follow Him!

>It's always amusing to see Billy Meier apologists such as Jim
>Deardorff try to rationalize a continuing stream of evidence
>that indicates that the Meier case is not only a hoax, but that
>Meier is a UFO cult leader.

It's always amusing to see people 'whipping dead horses' too.

>Indeed, to endorse and believe in the Meier case, as Deardorff
>does, is to endorse a UFO cult and in Meier's case, racism and
>bigotry.

Uh-oh...this is beginning to sound alot like sabre-rattling. .

>In my book "Spaceships of the Pleiades: The Billy Meier Story,"
>I provide conclusive evidence (along with photographs) that the
>Meier case is not only a hoax, but that Billy Meier himself in
>reality is the leader of a self-created UFO religious cult with
>him at its' center.

Uh-oh...does this mean that it's a 'slow-news day'? Nothing
interesting to report on so we'll pull out old Billy for a few
more pummels...

>Despite this and other damaging evidence,
>there remains what I can only call a small faction Billy Meier
>"apologists" who still refuse to admit two basic, fundamental
>truths:

>1) The Meier case is a hoax. 2) Billy Meier is the leader of a
>cult.


There also appears to be researchers who refuse to look into
good areas of UFO investigation.

>Rather than take my word for it, read what Billy Meier himself
>has written and posts on his own web site! In addition to
>supplying specific instructions telling people how to live their
>lives, how much of their salary they the must give him, etc.,
>Meier's writings are full of diatribes and harangues against
>various ethnic and religious groups such as Jews, Christians,
>Moselms, Catholics, etc.

Watch out Saddam, there's a new boy on the block...and his name
is Billy!

>Because Meier obviously feels "superior" to these other groups,
>yet hypocritically refers to himself as a "Prophet," here are
>Meier's own words for you to examine to decide the issues for
>yourself.

>In closing, for all you Catholics out there who also believe in
>the Meier case, now you know what your leader honestly thinks of
>you. And for those who are dumb enough to believe in the Meier
>case, here's yet another embarrasing fact about your beloved
>leader.

Hmmm...as I read this post I'm beginning to imagine the blaring
loudspeakers of a propoganda campaign...but directed at whom?
The droves and hordes of Meier devotees that regularly plug up
UFO Updates with their 'racist and hate-mongering' posts?

>It will be interesting to see how Meier apologists such as Jim
>Deardorff put their "spin" on this one.

Oh....Mr. Deardorff is the offending individual. OK.

>Kal K. Korff

>Billy Meier's Own Words:

>"The Catholic Church has erected an influential and powerful
>defense against the prevention of having children, respectively
>birth control. The Church holds a totally irrational attitude
>against any form of birth regulation and birth control, hence,
>it is adamantly against all rights of women and their own
>decision-making aspirations on children or pregnancy
>termination. Politicians as well curb women's rights in this
>manner. They sit in judgement and rob the women of their freedom
>by way of national laws. The result: unrestricted increases in
>birthrates are allowed to thrive in Catholic circles (along with
>those of other religions) and endanger all life on Earth,
>indeed, the very existence of the planet. The unrestrained
>procreation of children without the capability to introduce
>birthrate cessation and birth control is equivalent to fostering
>a culture of death. The criminal Holy Chair of Rome,
>respectively the Pope and all his lieges, have a horrendous
>power, whereby its' occupant [the Pope] (as well as other
>religions and their representatives) leads all humanity and all
>life on the planet into misery, desolation, devastation and
>destruction. (Emphasis added.)

Without going to Billy's site, which I never have nor ever will
because I just don't care to, the above statement could be made
by just about anyone and is not Meier-specific. I've heard these
same words in non-UFO "religious cult" circles in regards to
women's rights, overpopulation and the Catholic Church...will
you be battling everyone, most of them having nothing to do with
your book on Billy Meier, on these issues?

Overpopulation is a problem on this planet and it does threaten
our future lives as it is contributing to the destabilization of
our planet's ecologies, ecosystems and overall health.

>"The Pope and the College of Cardinals at the Vatican constitute
>the highest authority of the Catholic Church, which has a
>worldwide following of approximately 1 billion believers of all
>races. In 1968, Pope Paul VI's Encyclical Humanae Vitae came
>into force, whose title reads as follows: "On the correct order
>of passing on human life." Item # 14 describes the forbidden
>means of birth control in great detail, in the exact manner by
>which the means were concocted by the Pope, his cardinals and
>others in order to discriminate against women; to curtail their
>rights and to permit the continuation of the world population's
>uncontrolled growth ? to the detriment and destruction of
>mankind, all life and planet Earth.

>"One last item must be mentioned here: Anything the Pope says is
>hostile to humanity and life, and must simply be ignored,
>therefore, His prattle is irrelevant. What he says is without
>actual correlation to the issues now confronting the world and
>humanity."

>Billy

Where's the hatred and bigotry so enticingly promised? I
must've been snoozing through this post and missed it
completely.

Mr. Korff, are you working on another Meier book? Can I
suggest a title for it? It would be "Kicking One-Armed Dead
Horses".


>There you have it folks, words straight from Billy Meier's
>mouth.

(And from the intro of a new book on Billy???)

>For those who are especially of Catholic faith, I hope
>you are rightfully offended. I don't relish publishing such
>statements by such religious bigots as Billy Meier, but in the
>interests of presenting the truth, and quoting Meier himself
>directly so there can be no dispute, this is the only way to do
>it.

Thank you Karl for your enlightening expose on Mr. Billy
Meier...all of us in the ufological world can rest much more
easily knowing that you are here to protect us from Billy's
master plan.

>I hope everyone reading this will start to wake up to the true
>nature of the Meier case.

Thanks Mr. Korff!

Jeffrey S. Westover





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                   Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies

From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:05:11 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:09:55 -0400
Subject: Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies


Dear List,

In continuing to hammer away and drive home the point to
everyone that Meier is the leader of a religious UFO cult,
here's another goodie:

These are Billy Meier's own instructions for having kids....
instructions his followers are "encouraged" to stick by. Meier
himself, of course, is exempt from these rules, since he
recently just had yet another kid with his new wife!

My, the privileges of those cult leaders...Could we be looking
at Billy "The Bagwan" Meier now??  :-)

These words are from Meier himself, so there's no wriggle room
for his supporters to put the spin on it....I am doing this
because various people around Meier keep changing their stories
and are now in denial of previous claims (like the crystal pond)
as they begin to feel the heat of the media and others that are
starting to take a close look at them.

Now, the 'wisdom' of Billy Meier, a self-proclaimed "Prophet" -
but first, their mumbojumbo rationalizing why Meier is speaking
to you this way and about these things in the first place:

Please read _all_ of this, although I realize it is a bit much,
but I guarantee you you will become 'enlightened' afterward.


Source: Billy Meier's Own Words.....

The main purpose of FIGU is neither UFOs nor ETs - it is the
dissemination of spiritual teachings,

[Gee, sounds like an observation I reported in my
book,'Spaceships', that the UFOs are just a means of drawing
attention to the teachings of Meier! -- Kal]

of knowledge about all reaches of life and the universe.
Much knowledge and wisdom has been published in many books
and booklets. The founder of FIGU, 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier,
has written most of FIGU's books. Called 'The Prophet of the New
Age' by the Pleiadians/Plejarans, he is acting as their mediator
and spokesman.


Billy Meier's Directives on Having Babies - The Guidelines:

Beware! The following thoughts may appear rigorous and radical;
they may even shock a person at the first reading, but they are
really neither extreme nor misanthropic. They have absolutely
nothing in common with confused, delusional, fanatical and
hostile thoughts and demands by extremists of all sorts of
political or religious views. Quite in contrast with them my
thought-provoking impulses and guidelines are equally valid for
all people on Earth (including me!). All my proposed ideas,
etc., are valid for everybody, and there may not be any
reservation regarding race, nationality, body size, color of
hair, bank account, title, etc. It must be guaranteed that not
only the intelligentsia may be permitted to produce offspring,
because so-called intelligent people are not proof at all
against stupidity as is proven again and again by
many politicians, professors, journalists, sociologists,
theologists, philosophers, scientists and managers, etc., who,
in their narrow-mindedness, shortsightedness and arrogance
overestimate their own capacities.

More and more, responsible people ask themselves confronted
with immense population growth, environmental pollution, and
maltreatment of life forms of al   kinds, if it's wise to
beget a child and bear it into this world of egoism, where
growth of the gross national product, hedonism, wealth and
controlling other people are the highest goals. A reasonable
question, indeed, if we look at the huge misery under which
children and adults have to suffer (not in the developing world
alone, but also in industrialized countries). How much misery
could be avoided if the people on Earth would let themselves be
guided by reason and understanding instead of by false emotions,
confusing religious ideas of delusion and uncontrolled sexual
urges!

If we look at every country on this Earth with a neutral view we
cannot avoid the sad conclusion: Many many children shouldn't
have been begotten by their parents! Many fathers and mothers
have absolutely no knowledge, and are overloaded and incapable,
regarding a good and responsible parenthood and the connected
educative and caring tasks and duties. Out of parental
incapability, immaturity, egoism and other ills legions of
children grow up as exact copies of their parents, with  only a
very small chance to break out of this vicious circle of poverty
and misery. Damaged by hunger (mental), maltreatment (psychic
and bodily) and neglect (criminal) the children doze through a
life without any future perspective, without being aware of the
meaning of life, and without having experienced real love. Like
thoughtless robots those persons wander through a life of TV
consummation and loiter about, babble aimlessly and repeat
slogans or they have to fight constantly for naked survival
where the law of the strongest rules and where ethics and
sympathy have no place. As a result of false thoughts and a
false humanitarianism, the calling into question of a supposed
"human right for parenthood" is vehemently opposed because such
persons could come to the troublesome and unthinkable conclusion
to be among those who should have no children.

Peoples, governments and every single person by all means have
to change their thought processes, and the procreating of
children should be coupled with certain qualifications. The
parents' thoughtlessness, egoism and lack of discipline shall
not have first priority, but the wellfare of the child to be
begotten! Absolute priority must be granted to the child's right
of being born with a healthy body, healthy psyche and healthy
consciousness! Additionally, a child has an absolute claim of
parents (= a father and a mother!) capable of guaranteeing
secured material conditions and capable of providing a loving
and neutral education/raising. As a result parents-to-be should
have to attend some form of education or instruction before they
beget a child, in order to be prepared for this very ambitious
but wonderful task.


Since most worldwide birthrate check measures will probably not
be started in the near future, unfortunately, it is up to every
responsible person and couple to bear his or her own
responsibility. With logical and reasonable thinking, one's own
actions should have to be brought into harmony with the natural
laws, as the only way to guarantee the survival of all life
forms on this planet.

The following list of questions shall help any parents-to-be to
become aware of the fact that parenthood isn't as simple as it
seems: To beget a child needs some seconds or minutes but
childhood and youth last a bit longer!

Before begetting (or fostering/adopting) a child, a reasonable
and responsible person has to ask him- or herself the following
questions:

Will our union last for at least 3 years - are we living
together for at least 3 years?

Am I, the woman, at least 28 years of age; and I, the man, at
least 33 years (see worldwide birthrate check measures by FIGU)?

Have I found my real partner, and am I prepared to live with him
or her for the whole rest of my life? Do I know the difference
between amour (= transitory illusion) and real love (real love
is indestructible)?

Do we respect each other as not identical but of equal value?

Why do we want to "have" a child?

If we have children: Will it be less than 3?

Are we capable of guaranteeing our future child a protected/safe
and good education that encourages responsibility (even beyond
babyhood)?

How are our short- and medium-term perspectives? Is there a good
chance of enough financial and material means (dwelling, saving
accounts, income, food, etc.) for the whole family? (Of course
there must be some difference here regarding the
culture/civilization of a people the parents-to-be belong to.
Parenthood in the jungle requires a different standard than
living in a western nation.)

Do we live in our own household (= our own private sphere),
without any interference from parents or relatives?

Are we aware of the fact that the presence of a child will
change our actual life style considerably? (Certain ventures
aren't possible any more for years or never again, e.g.
dangerous hobbys, etc.)

Am I free from any hereditary disease, e.g. chorea, hemophilia,
cystic fibrosis, etc.?

Am I free from addiction to illegal or prescribed drugs, alcohol
etc., or has a time of 7 years elapsed since the last intake of
the stuff I was addicted to?

Am I a non-smoker or have I stopped smoking at least 18 months
ago?

Am I free from infectious disease, such as e.g. AIDS,
syphilis, tuberculosis, etc.?

Am I in good health regarding my psyche and consciousness
(no schizophrenia, depression, etc.)

Am I free from mental handicap (mental deficiency, Down's
syndrome, autism, etc.)?

Is inbreeding absent in my genealogical tree (the last 7
generations back)?

Do I lead a decent life style, which means:

I am no member of organizations or groups who confirm or show
the following degenerations: fanatism, extremism, sectarianism,
anarchism, terrorism, crime, racial hatred, slavery, restriction
of one's free thinking and one's free will, hate, warfare,
torture, etc.; not to prostitute myself; execute no criminal
acts against Earth, human beings, animals and plants.

Am I (the woman) ready to undergo prenatal diagnosis? How will I
decide if the test shows that the fetus has some defect? Will I
consent to an abortion? If no: What about the future of the
child, and our future? If yes: How grave must the defect be in
order to make the decision for an abortion?

Do I accept a child regardless if it's a boy or a girl?

Do I eat healthy and balanced meals (which include meat and
dairy products in reasonable amounts!) in order to supply the
growing baby with all essential nutrients?

Who will look after the child at home during its childhood and
youth?
(Despite the outcry of some women's lib-ers or other
misguided people, the mother is the "natural" person to look
after the child.)

Do I care for cleanliness of body and psyche and dwelling?

Do I refrain from letting any animals (especially cats, dogs,
birds, etc.) live in my dwelling? (This on one hand will prevent
a broad variety of possible diseases and accidents, and on the
other hand proves respect to the animal. An animal is and
remains an animal despite the efforts of people to look upon
their pets as persons. To let animals live in the same rooms as
people is a form of maltreatment of animals. Millions of people
suffer from severe diseases or have even died because they have
or had too close contact with animals.)


In order to take up again the question from the start of this
text: The procreation of a child may be recommended in good
conscience as a responsible and reasonable act if all of the
questions above have been answered positively.

The harsh truth must not be swept under the carpet: Every single
person, in control of his or her senses and with a clear-headed
consciousness who, before procreating a child, refuses to ponder
or answer the many questions in this text, may not called a
human being; he or she must be labelled a thoughtless and
irresponsible egoist and criminal sex robot. Such a person is an
insult to reason and common sense and brings shame to all of
mankind.

Christian Frehner

This is an excerpt from FIGU's overpopulation booklet #13






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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #263

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:46:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:38:49 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #263

Apology to MW #263 (For August 12, 1998)

What's another hurdle has the saucer people fretting in pursuit
of what may come to be our fate? It's the treatment of the
school kids in our squalid little classrooms where we teach our
party lines to kids betrayed. Stretches and distortions in our
books all out of date, and they wallow in the fantasy we, still,
make for them of late. It's text books from few publishers -
it's fundamental Christians; it's chiseled moms and dads who
should be having indigestion!

It's the hot and leaky classrooms where they're crowded and
oppressed. It's designed to make them hate it, if you haven't
made the guess. Perhaps staffed by worried cowards who are loath
to lose their jobs; the teachers are _expendable_ when it's
_them_ that moves the _knob_!

Almost like it's SET to fail - _creating_ the delinquent -
turn them from the centrist course to fill elitist prisons. Keep
them skill-less and belligerent so they earn a _lessor_ pay;
keep them hopeless and indifferent, have them grovel; make them
pray. Contrive their education so there _is_ no education (to be
used in a performance of their day); give them grades to write
the tickets for the dead end service work that the corporate
boys assure without delay.

Then, the _insult_ of our nation, the 'man' is _selling_
education that would keep folks from the _meanest_ kinds of
work. It's big bucks to go to college, so the masses never go;
that's reserved for Buzz and Skippy, and forget the working Joe!
School's dependant on the money - stuff that's in "so short
supply", and it's cause is corporate welfare that so _few_ can
live so _high_.

The watchers are recording this "machine of disrespect" its
talons in the *rights* of priests and kings. And they wonder if
we're sensing we're consuming all our seed corn - that we
_will_ the grand disaster that this brings! And they wonder on
our process - an unmitigated gall, to rob the blighted Peter .
. . to pay a rich, benighted Paul. They further wonder if we're
thinking past the facts our 'triggers' pull; if we're truly so
disordered, wanting honor, and so dull!

It's in how we treat our children - keeps the saucer folk
obscured! It's our game plan of indifference, then, to which we
are inured. It's our wanton lack of horse sense as we use our
kids for grease to lube the tracks of profit for the few that do
the least! The saucers do not judge us but continue with their
record, as they dodge about, and blink out in the sky. It's
us'll do the judging when we read it sometime hense, and there
won't be much to laugh at - and too much to make us cry.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

The joy, of course, after that initial sorrow, is indescribable.

Restore John Ford!
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"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.







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             Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' Connection!

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:53:24 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:35:14 -0400
Subject: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' Connection!


Dear List,

With this email, and through some recent media appearances on
the internet/radio programs Jeff Rense's 'SIGHTINGS', and Laura
Lee's 'The Laura Lee Show', I have been confirming certain
aspects of various rumors that have been floating around the
internet about me and my activities for the past several months.

Yes, it is true that I am the 'star' of the upcoming 1 hour Fox
TV special called 'World's Greatest Hoaxes - Their Secrets
Finally Revealed'. I worked on this project for many, many
months, and put in the most time on it second to only Bob
Kiviat, the Executive Producer.

I was not only the chief researcher on the project, but directed
and was in charge of one of the European crews for some of the
scenes we were filming. Working on the project was a
once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and I am grateful to Bob Kiviat
and Fox Television for this opportunity.

Yes, it is also true that I secretly went back over to
Switzerland undercover and secretly visited Billy Meier's farm.
I also met Billy Meier's wife and interviewed her at length with
Swiss UFO researcher and investigative journalist, Luc Burgin.

While I was there, obtaining conclusive NEW evidence that the
case is a hoax that will be shown on the Fox special, I used the
fake name of, believe it or not, Oscar Meyer Wiener!

I am not joking about this.

'Brunhilda', the woman I sat next to almost the entire time and
is one of Meier's most fanatical followers, was fooled by the
name. For me, it was hard to keep a straight face. But then
again, it has been my observation that many of Meier's devout
followers who live there with him that I have personally
encountered aren;t exaclty known for thinking critically, so I
admit I took advantage of this.

Brunhilda noticed the obviously-phony name I gave her was German
and seemed delighted that my 'middle-name was' "Meyer".

Just like her cult leader, although different spelling.

I told Brunhilda I was from New York, and told other Meier
followers in the area I was from California. No one seemed to
notice the dicrepancy, but I stuck with New York.

I signed Meier's guestbook as "Oscar Meyer Wiener" and then,
like many years ago, I scribbled my REAL (and illegible)
signature underneath it. I also secretly recorded parts of my
visit, since ever since I did this years ago, they are wary of
visitors with video cameras and recording equipment.

I let them confiscate the video camera, that was a deliberate
misdirection move, in the meantime my secret recorder continued
to tape.

I also made it actually inside Billy Meier's house this time,
unlike my previous secret visit of 1991.

As both a UFO researcher and an Investigative Journalist, I
think it is always vitally important to cleanse the UFO database
of spurious cases. The UFO field has credbility problems enough
just existing, let alone when we admit the truth - which is that
several of the 'cornerstone' cases that constitute at least the
public's perceived understanding of UFOs just simply aren't
true!

This upcoming Fox TV special, exposes some of the greatest
paranormal hoaxes of all time. Both the UFO field, and other
areas of Parapsychology will NOT be the same ever again after
this special airs.

Never in the history of TV have so many huge cases been exposed
in a single airing, and I think that despite the self-inflicted
wounds the UFO field has unleashed on itself that will be
exposed in this special, the field will be _better_off_ after
this special airs as it begins to re-build itself.

As long as the UFO field does this along an entirely different
'blueprint' this time, and start demanding higher standards of
evidence from researchers like Jaime Moussan, Ray Santilli,
people who support Billy Meier, Bob Lazar, Roswell, Frank
Kaufmann, etc., - when and if this day should ever come the UFO
field will be better off!

The show, which is a long-overdure 1 hour reality check for us
all, including the general public, will be broadcast worldwide
in numerous countries.

As I start to slowly talk about and reveal the details of the TV
show over the next few weeks or so, I want all of you to know
that this show's heart is in the right place and it's intentions
are good.

The message is simple: Think critically and don't believe
everything you see on TV. Period.

One could certaily develop a whole entire TV series dedicated to
just refuting the nonsense that IS broadcast on today's TV shows
about UFOs and the paranormal. Unfortunately, a great many
people uncritically accept these accounts and the 'experts'
profiled as true.

Hopefully, this worldwide broadcast and expose will send a very
loud message to the UFO field, and help propel it in several
steps down the path towards cleaning up its' act and own house,
and raising the standards of what it considers "evidence" that
it demands from its' claimants.

After this special airs, many people will have to ponder the
question of are they going to start demanding hard, objective
proof, and let those two factors drive their belief systems, or
are they going to continue to accept heresay and hoaxes as their
"truth"?

Each of us will have to decide,

Kal Korff





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              Re: Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Templ

From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:12:36 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:37:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Templ


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:43:05 EDT
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Secret Undercover Photo of Billy Meier Temple

>[The picture Kal refers to below wouldn't open here at
> UpDates. Presumably, this is the same image that is
> at Jeff Rense's 'Sightings Homepage' at:

> http://www.sightings.com/ufo/billytemple.html
>                                                -- ebk]

>This photo shows a "Pleiadian temple" that exists on the Meier
>compound...several of Meier's followers "worship" at this
>temple. Notice it contains seven UFOs, seven stars in
>"reverance" of the Pleiades, and other new age symbolic
>nonsense.

I asked that same member of Meier's group whether this latest
claim by Korff is true. Answer: they deny that they have a
"Pleidian worship temple". This group member thinks Korff is
writing about a monument built by Engelbert W=E4chter, another
group member. He also answered that "the structure consists of
several images of metal that are fastened to a concrete
structure" and that the monument is "a symbol of our attachment
to/connection with the Plejarans." He emphasized that "of course
nobody worships at the "foot" of this structure."

Jeroen Jansen






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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:57:29 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:43:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


>From: James S. Mortellaro Jnr. <Jsmortell@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:41 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

>What is interesting about this expose, is that it has surfaced
>after Corso's death;  when he is unable to defend himself. His
>death, this expose & etc, is most convenient, is it not?

>Corso's book has been out for quite some time. I read it the
>better part of a year ago. This tome requires research in order
>to verify the claimant's assertions. Not to say the claimant is
>incorrect, just that it must be verrified, under the
>circumstances.

>Personally, I would have appreciated the expose infinitely more,
>had the author the courage to confront a living Corso. Whether
>right or wrong, it seems out of character for  military mind to
>have made such serious errors, however it is telling that his
>memory was in it's twighlight years.

>Got any more bright ideas?

>Jim


Jim,

Yes, I've got a lot of more bright ideas. While it's unfortunate
that Corso has passed away and can no longer defend himself, his
collaborator, William Birnes III, remains very much alive and
well, and is in fact now the publisher of UFO magazine.

Maybe he would like to release the corespondence that took place
between him and Corso in the course of writing the book?

Don't hold your breath.

But maybe the Corso family would be willing to release any
correspondence between the two, along with any corroborating
papers or files Corso may have left behind?

Again, don't hold your breath.

"The Day After Roswell" was a sham from the word go. Its critics
can't help it that Corso died. If he and Birnes had wanted to
defend themselves against expected future critics and legitimate
criticism, they could have done so at the very start by
providing convincing documentation -- which they chose not to
do, or couldn't do.

The pity is that we'll now never know why Corso, who had an
enviable military career and record of service to his country,
chose to toss it all away at the end. Did he need the money all
that badly? Was he embittered because of a perceived lack of
recognition over his role in history? (My own suspicion.) Or did
he simply fall under the seductive sway of book-packager William
Birnes III? (My second suspicion.)

Will his family set the record straight by releasing his papers,
files, and correspondence for public inspection?

You dream. Corso's son has already intimated that his father
filled him in on additional Roswell details between heart
attacks, thus carving out a ready made career for himself on the
UFO lecture and media appearance circuit, a temptation few of us
could refuse when it's handed to us on such a silver platter.

In the absence of the complete publication of the Corso-Birnes
correspondence and any existing Corso files, the truth will
suffer and the myth will grow. Corso will become Roswell's first
martyr, an enshrinement that Birnes will do nothing to deflect,
deter, or correct, even though, in his heart, he knows better.

Any other questions?

Dennis






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                            Meier on Having Kids

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:10:06 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:27:00 -0400
Subject: Meier on Having Kids


In posting yet more evidence that Meier is a UFO cult leader who
admonishes his followers on how to live their lives, demands 10%
of their monthly wages, blind obedience, mandatory servitude and
"missionary" work, here are Meier's own words denoting specifics
on raisining kids:

Billy Meier's Own Words:

Please take notice that the proposed required worldwide measures
are considered to be applied only if all countries (no
exception!) on Earth start them at the same time. Moreover, it
goes without saying that the beginning of such measures must be
accompanied by a great number of other "improvements" and
requirements (education, awareness of the creational/natural
laws, legislation, multinational peace combat troops,
availability of contraceptives, etc.).

Minimum age for marriage: Female = 25 years, Male = 30 years

These numbers are valid for all those persons who decide, after
a certain time of engagement, to enter into a union for life,
with or without the aim of a future wish to have a child. This
minimum age for marriage has been deliberately fixed high in
order to ensure individuals enough time to become
mature adults
and to be able to consciously decide to enter into a union.
Moreover, there will be enough time to learn one or more
professions to be sure about the direction of one's own life.

The difference of age between men and women originates in the
fact that, as a rule, girls physically mature faster than boys.

Minimum age to produce offspring: Female = 28 years, Male = 33
years

The reason for this is explained in the next paragraph.

Criteria for procreating

A = An existing marriage of at least 3 years:

Both spouses shall use these 3 years to find out if they
harmonize with each other, if they are in love with each other,
or if they have married just out of physical attraction - and if
they will procreate a child.

B + C = Proof of a healthy, harmonious marriage; Proof of
irreproachable conduct of the marriage partners:

This means the marriage partners having a good reputation, being
diligent, not creating unnecessary debts, no prostitution, among
other things.

D = Proof of ability to raise children:

Besides undergoing some form of education (and passing a test)
before begetting a child, the parents-to-be have to guarantee
unobjectionable material conditions, e.g. good nourishment,
finances, dwelling and work, among other things. The child to
come shall have a good chance for an upbringing without misery
and distress.  Patronized people and/or persons who suffer from
schizophrenia, mental deficiency or confused consciousness are
not able from the beginning to completely and without
assistance educate/raise children. This fact leads to the next
paragraph:

E = Proof of health no hereditary and infectious diseases, no
addiction to illegal or prescription drugs or to alcohol, etc.:

This means that the marriage partners are not allowed to suffer
the afore-mentioned diseases. Both will have to undergo medical
tests. To this end medical and genetic research must be advanced
in order to enable ever finer and better diagnoses, and to
develop better medications and methods to treat genetic
diseases, etc.

If a person has "freed" him- or herself from an addiction there
must have elapsed a time span of at least 7 years since the last
intake of an illegal drug or alcohol etc. Additionally, both
marriage partners must have refrained from smoking for at least
18 months.

F = No affiliation with extremist or subversive groups:

People who belong to extremist or subversive organizations may
not guarantee a neutral education for a child. They are unable
to recognize the meaning and necessity of law and order and to
let their child become a freely and self-consciously thinking,
unbiased human being and citizen.

If, after 3 years and having seriously discussed the matter,
both marriage partners come to the conclusion that there is real
love between the two, and if they are ready to have/beget a
child, they can submit a request to the authorities. Its
representatives have to impartially check the request (without
any corruption, nepotism, racial discrimination, etc.!) and give
permission if all of the criteria for "producing offspring" are
fulfilled.

Maximum number of children: 3 children per marriage

If permission has been given to beget a child but there is no
success (meaning: the woman does not become pregnant), it is
recommended/possible to foster/adopt a child (orphan etc.).
Priority should be given to children coming from the same
country/culture and race. (Artificial insemination of any kind
is not advisable, because hardly recognizable mutations occur
that will lead to degenerative results in future generations.
Surrogate motherhood, etc. is not allowed in any circumstance
and must be prohibited.)

A maximum of three children per marriage on one hand makes it
possible for the children to get enough attention from the
parents and, on the other hand, a woman cannot be misused as a
"childbearing machine". (Normally, there should be at least 3
years between the birth of a child and the next pregnancy in
order to maintain the physical strength of the mother.)

With worldwide birthrate check measures in operation, the
maximum of 3 children per marriage will be exceeded rarely (e.g.
if there are twins or triplets, etc.). A best-case example for a
couple who want to have children: Conception and birth at 28
years = the first child; at 35 the second child; at 42 a third
child? (Women over about 40 years should have no more babies.)
Thanks to such birth check measures families with one or two
children will become standard, a favorable goal in the crusade
against overpopulation.


Birth control intervals:

7 years         worldwide, total ban against births
1 year          procreation consent (with permission)
7 years         worldwide, total ban against births
1 year          procreation consent (with permission )

to be carried out in this manner until the world's population
has reached a diminished and normal level


Subsequently:

Measures concerning the permission to marry and procreate remain
in force, but the 7-year cycle of birthrate banning is omitted.

Of course it would be unwise to start a 7-year birthrate ban
simultaneously on our planet. There must be some form of
graduation in order to guarantee the further existence of many
industry branches or social welfare (teachers, education,
schools, children's clinic, nurses, production of goods for
children, etc.) and to prevent a catastrophe. Such a graduation
must be applied to every country on Earth. The examples listed
below are but two of many other possibilities. Variant 1 means
that in the first year after starting the worldwide birthrate
check measures all couples with a family name starting with A,
B, C or D (e.g. Adams, Clinton, etc.) may receive permission to
beget a child.

Regarding China where many names begin with letters X, Y or Z
variant 2 would be preferable.

In order to guarantee the correct execution of the measures a
worldwide decision is required that the last name of the
husband/father determines the family name and the name of the
children (as it is the case in most cultures since ancient
times. This easily enables people to determine the genealogical
tree in order to exclude any form of inbreeding/endogamy.). Such
a decision doesn't aim at any discrimination against women,
since women and men are, as human beings, absolutely of equal
value.

                Variant 1                Variant 2

1. year A - B - C - D
1. year         `                       A - H - U - O

2. year E - F - G - H
2. year                                 B - I - P - V

3. year I - J - K - L
3. year                                 C - J - Q - W

4. year M - N - O - P
4. year                                 D - K - R - X

5. year Q - R - S - St.
5. year                                 E - L - S - Y

6. year T - U - V
6. year                                 F - M - St. - Z

7. year       W - X - Y - Z
7. year                                 G - N - T


You may ask: What could I do regarding measures interpreted and
explained above?

The governments and authorities on Earth, as well as the
greatest part of all people, will neither show the
insight/understanding nor courage to start solving the
overpopulation problem at its root, stemming the birthrate
through measures as proposed by FIGU. Therefore, it's up to
every reasonable person aware of his/her self-responsibility to
live according to the proposed guidelines.

It's the task of every knowledgeable person (especially those
standing in higher positions) to help people realize the urgent
necessity of these birthrate check measures. The path to choose
lies in the hands of the people: a path forced upon them through
hunger, catastrophes, misery, war, etc, or a path voluntarily
chosen through reason, insight, etc.

People should not let themselves be intimidated by the outcry of
all those short-sighted or unreasonable individuals or groups
who don't realize the gravity of the situation or indulge in
egoism or false humanitarianism, all of which inevitably lead to
ruin. Unfortunately, countless people will fall into the abyss
by cutting off the branch they sit on.

It's up to every person to ponder on the above-mentioned harsh
measures and thoughts. There are hard years full of privation
lying ahead of us. We will have to change our ways of thinking
and suffer many limitations. But, after all, we should never
lose the goal before our eyes: We are acting and thinking
towards the benefit of the planet, fauna, flora, and especially
towards the benefit of our children and children's children and,
ultimately, to our own.



Christian Frehner

(This text is an excerpt from FIGU's overpopulation #3 booklet.)







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From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:18:00 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:39:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


Dear List,

Apparently this was not made clear, so I will repeat it again --
This expose of Colonel Corso is NOT new. In fact, it is OLD NEWS
and was pubished some 6 MONTHS ago. Also, I appeared with Brad
Sparks some 6 MONTHS ago on the popular radio program, "The Laura
Lee Show," where this expose was first announced by Sparks and
myself. The show was broadcast in ALL 50 states!

If you managed to "miss" this expose, I am sorry, but millions of
people did not. To set the record straight it has been blatantly
IGNORED by Corso and his supporters. After all, what can they
say?

So the claim that this expose was deliberately released after
Corso's death when he can't defend himself is NOT true and ANYONE
DOUBTING THIS CAN GO DO THEIR OWN HOMEWORK AND DIG UP THE TAPES
FROM LAURA LEE'S SHOW and deal with it.

By the way, I did plan to confront Corso on this and other
matters, on July 4, 1997 to be precise, on MSNBC, where I was a
guest all day during the Mars landing and Roswell segments.
However, Corso, like Paul Davids, never showed up for the debate.
Corso gave the excuse he "was hard of hearing," but managed to
"hear" everyone who believed his tall tales.

In another instance, Corso chickened out of a radio debate with
me on Laura Lee's Show, and instead Birnes filled in. Birned
admitted, much to the shock and suprise of everyone, (and this is
all on tape), that he did NO investigations into Corso's
claims and admitted that his job was simply to make the book read
better.

Since then, Birnes has changed his story, citing "extensive
background investigations" (although he can't and won't name with
whom,) etc., ad nauseum.

It is my personal opinion that Birnes' recent acqusition of UFO
Report magazine now HURTS the UFO field if he continues to spout
the Corso and Roswell nonsense.

On the other hand, featuring Birnes might make for a nice follow
up sequel to "World's Greatest Hoaxes Revealed" that Bob Kiviat
and I are already starting to plan. Hmmmm......

At any rate, enclosed is my editorial on Corso and where I stand
on the matter. I assume all of you will now adjust your
"criticisms" of me accordingly. I am adding this page to my web
site, where the Corso expose is featured, and it will be uploaded
in the next day or so with lots of other goodies.

Having been very busy lately with everything from sneaking back
onto Meier's property again to finding out who really faked the
alien autopsy film and working on the Fox special to expose it
all for everyone, it's been quite a cycle.

Kal Korff (Editorial below)

Think Objectively
EXCLUSIVE EXPOSE!!
Colonel Philip Corso and William Birnes� Bestselling Book Exposed as a Hoax!
by
Brad C. Sparks


But First - A Blunt Editorial by Kal K. Korff

NOTE: Sadly, but predictably, I have received some emails from a
distinguished minority of UFO fans who think it is "just
horrible" that I should publish "right after Corso's death," a
searing expose of him that proves the claims he made in his book
"The Day After Roswell" are pure fiction passed off by Corso as
if they were fact. Under the pretense of having "respect" for the
dead, the cries of "foul" by these few people still jump out at
me on my computer screen.

While I appreciate the theoretical loftiness of these people's
spiritual values, who are we fooling here?

Let's face it, the REAL issue for these people is NOT what they
pretend (and some may actually believe) it to be - the fact that
Corso is dead is IRRELEVANT to most of them -- the fact that I
dare to QUESTION or "attack Roswell" (as one gentlemen put it) is
what really rankles them!

This is truly sad, ladies and gentlemen - but it is also
symptomatic of a certain (but thank God ever-dwindling) sector of
both the UFO popualtion and the general public nonetheless.

Now, regarding the expose of the late Colonel Philip Corso
presented here, let me just say the following:

1) I, Kal Korff, am NOT the author of this Corso expose. Brad
Sparks is the author, as is obvious by the appearance of his
byline at the top of this page. While you are free to continue to
take your feelings out on me by sending me various hostile
emails, it's obvious many of you missed the fact that I am NOT
the expose's author -- although I thank you for the flattery in
thinking I am! The real credit, however, goes to Brad Sparks.

2) Speaking of Mr. Sparks, Brad is an extremely credible UFO
researcher and historian, in fact one of the VERY BEST! I have
known Brad, personally and professionally, for 17 years now, and
relish every opportunity to work with him.

If you have never heard of Brad Sparks until now, or don't know
about any of his past work, then you have not been involved in
the subject of UFOs long enough to appreciate what I am talking
about, or you don't know the subject as well as you might think
you do.

While there's nothing wrong with this, and this observation is
not meant as a put down, but I would strongly urge you to think
carefully about this, because it means there are other key areas
of your self-perceived "understanding" of the UFO subject that
must also be missing as well.

3) Regarding the matter of Colonel Corso, let me state for the
record that I regard Colonel Philip Corso as a genuine American
hero. While this will surprise my critics, I remind everyone
reading this once again how often very wrong my "critics" are,
and this is yet another example. I might as well take this
opportunity to say that I also regard Major Jesse Marcel as a
genuine hero also, and indeed ALL people who are brave enough to
put on a uniform and dedicate themselves to the service of our
country.

However, despite the very real bravey of these individuals in the
service of their country, we must never forget one very important
fact: The American way of life, and especially the United States
Armed Forces, teaches us first and foremost that truth, honesty
and integrity, above all, reign supreme. It is a soldier's, and
especially an officer's duty, to his fellow countrymen to always
tell the truth, -- especially about activities they themselves
claim to have personally engaged in and/or championed. In a
similar fashion, the military also teaches us that we are
responsible for our own actions, regardless of their nature, and
must ultimately pay the consequences for them.

Indeed, to state anything less than the truth about one's actions
is plain dishonorable. To blatantly make up claims, especially
colossal ones, is unforgivable, whether the originator of said
claims be deceased or not. At the very least, whatever great
legacy one manages to build up during the course of one's
lifetime is forever buried in the avalanche of dishonor such
confabulations rightfully bring.

Most importantly, I would argue that the ONLY TRUE WAY to HONOR
these VETERANS, in the spirit of what they signed up and served
their country for, is to face the TRUTH about them and their
heroic deeds, no matter how painful, actions that stand alone by
and of themselves and are not in need of the imaginary elements
of "crashed saucers" and pickled aliens to prop them up or make
them worthy of history.

To face the truth like a soldier, "head on," is what these men, I
am sure, would surely want us to do on their behalf if they were
here today to be asked this question. To face the truth as
nothing but the truth, like the Honorable Officers that they
were, is what they would want us to do for them, in honor of
them, as their memory serves us today.

In closing, I am sure that those who have emailed me with their
"concerns" would never want an individual to lie or distort the
truth. If this be the case, then you will SUPPORT the purpose of
this web page and the message it is communicating that is quite
simple: Yes, Corso is a genuine American hero, but despite all
this, Corso was not telling the truth when it comes to the claims
reviewed here on this web page.

We owe it to Colonel Corso's supporters, Corso's historic legacy,
and the surviving members of his family that honor the truth, to
help set the record straight.

Lastly, we must never forget that as painful as it is for us to
acknowledge, in the final analysis, we were lied to, even by
these great heroes. What matters now is to set the record
straight, so that the legacies they established, can be honored
truthfully and accurately.

Kal K. Korff
August 12, 1998

email responses to:
TotlResrch@aol.com

Brad Sparks' expose then begins, titled "Philip Corso's
Roswellmania" , etc.






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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:00:30 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:45:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


> From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:33 AM

> From: James S. Mortellaro Jnr. <Jsmortell@aol.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:09:41 EDT
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

> What is interesting about this expose, is that it has surfaced
> after Corso's death;  when he is unable to defend himself. His
> death, this expose & etc, is most convenient, is it not?

> Corso's book has been out for quite some time. I read it the
> better part of a year ago. This tome requires research in order
> to verify the claimant's assertions. Not to say the claimant is
> incorrect, just that it must be verrified, under the
> circumstances.

> Personally, I would have appreciated the expose infinitely more,
> had the author the courage to confront a living Corso. Whether
> right or wrong, it seems out of character for  military mind to
> have made such serious errors, however it is telling that his
> memory was in it's twighlight years.

Just for the record, I first noticed this expose on Korff's website in
January.  It went up on the Sightings website last Sunday because Korff
was Rense's guest that evening.  A caller asked Korff where Corso's story
broke down, and Korff gave the short version on the air and offered to
make the entire expose available for Rense to post as well.

Kind regards,

Keith





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From: ParaScope@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:02:32 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:47:08 -0400
Subject: DISPATCH # 100 -- the weekly newsletter of

DISPATCH # 100 -- the weekly newsletter of ParaScope

S O M E T H I N G   S T R A N G E   I S   H A P P E N I N G

8/12/98

Quote of the Week


"We cannot trust some people who are nonconformists. We will make conformists
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Every week we pick the wackiest, scariest, nastiest or funniest rant from the
hundreds of letters received by us here at ParaScope headquarters, and present
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Among the articles you'll want to check out:


The Bilderberg Group:
Planning the World's Future Behind Closed Doors

The secretive Bilderberg Group met recently in Ayrshire, Scotland, to debate
the course of Western civilization. The meeting took place in total secrecy,
protected by a phalanx of armed guards. As usual, YOU were not even supposed
to know about it -- although the consensus reached among these 120 high-
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future of the entire planet. Is the Bilderberg influencing the cryptography
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Fortean Slips: All-New Edition!

That's right, Fortean Slips fans, it's an all-new batch of dispatches from
ParaScope's outpost on the paranormal fringe!

Grandpa Munster for Governor: Politics has always been a spooky, scary
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candidate.

Particle Accelerator of the Apocalypse: Protesters are fearful that an
Illinois supercollider could accidentally tear a hole in the space-time
continuum and destroy the universe. And here we thought nuclear waste was
hazardous to the environment!

Ancient Egypt's Modern Medicine: Folks in the days of King Tut battled heart
disease, baldness, brain tumors and syphilis -- and fortunately, the laborers
who built the pyramids enjoyed full health care benefits.

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The UK UFOlogy Scene

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               Central Australian Mysterious Light Likened To

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:44:30 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:48:46 -0400
Subject: Central Australian Mysterious Light Likened To


Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Online News

http://www.abc.net.au/news/regionals/alice/regalice-12aug1998-2.htm

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ABC News Regionals: Alice Springs

Mysterious light likened to boomerang

Wednesday 12 August, 1998 (12:33pm AEST)

AEST =3D Australian Eastern Standard Time

The manager of a roadhouse south of Tennant Creek in central
Australia claims mysterious lights in the sky last night looked
like fireworks.

There have been several reports of a bright light travelling
across the sky, from Alice Springs at about 7.30pm dropping into
the Gulf of Carpentaria in Queensland after 10pm.

Lou Farkas, from Wycliffe Well, who markets the roadhouse as a
site for UFO sightings, says he heard a 'bang' as well as seeing
the light.

"Imagine the shape of a fighting boomerang, you know how it's
got that bend in it - so the light was formed and it was
probably about two to three inches wide probably in the sky, so
it covered quite a big area.

"But it formed completely. So it started then formed the shape
of the boomerang then it held until there was an explosion then
it all disappeared."


Meteor

Astronomers at the Tidbinbilla tracking station in Canberra say
a bright light that shot across the Northern Territory skies
last night was most likely a meteor.

Territory police say there were sightings from Alice Springs in
the south to the Arnhem coast in the north, with some witnesses
claiming night turned into day.

Duncan Osborne from the Deep Space Tracking Station says the
reports are consistent with the effect of a meteorite entering
the earth's atmosphere and burning up.

"Normally if you see an object such as this stop what you're
doing, if you're driving the car pull over, because a lot of UFO
sightings are actually mistaken meteorites," he said.

"But when people are driving they mistake the light itself is
moving and if it travels in a straight direction that's a good
indicator that it's probably a meteorite."


=A9 1998 Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Updated: Wed Aug 12 12:40:00 1998 (AEST)






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From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:40:23 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:43:46 -0400
Subject: Illinois 1923 - Math Teacher Saw 'Spaceship'

Source: The Evansville Courier's electronic edition

http://courier.evansville.net/cgi/view.cgi?/199808/12/+UFO_news.html+19980812

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Evansville, Indiana

Wednesday, August 12, 1998

Close Encounter

Illinois Man Convinced He Saw A Ufo 75 Years Ago

By LEN WELLS, Courier correspondent
(618) 842-2159 or
wfiw@midwest.net


If You Go

Who: Chandler Town Council

What: Town meeting

When: 7 p.m. today

Where: Chandler Public Library


MOUNT ERIE, Ill. -- It�s been 75 years since Norman Massie led a
team of horses into a pasture near his Mount Erie home, looked
up and saw what he is convinced to this day was a spaceship.

"You can call me anything you want, but I know in my heart and
in my mind what I saw that evening, and it was some kind of
spaceship," Massie said.

Massie, 85, was 10 years old when he encountered the object. The
retired high school math teacher and coach says he kept quiet
about the incident until 1990 because his father told him never
to breathe a word about what he saw because "people would talk."

Massie�s UFO sighting happened in June 1923 on the family farm
in northern Wayne County.

"I opened the gate to let the horses into the pasture. I let
them through, and as I was closing the gate I looked back down
the field and there was an object with lights all around it,"
Massie said.

"I kept walking closer to the object until I got about 50 feet
away. I stood there and watched the five men who were on board."

Massie described the men as being about 4* feet tall with blond
hair. "I got close enough that I could hear them talk," Massie
said. "One guy sat in a chair and the others called him the
commander. Four others made trips back and forth in the ship. I
didn�t know what was going on until the end."

Massie claims he heard one of the crew members tell his
commander that "the repairs had been made."

"The machine was metallic and stood on three legs. The top was a
dome with holes in it. The best way I could describe the top was
it looked like melted glass," Massie said.

The encounter lasted only about five minutes, Massie said. "In a
minute, it came to a hovering position. The tripod legs
telescoped up into the belly of the thing, and it went straight
up about 200 feet and whizzed off to the west like a bullet," he
said.

Startled by what he saw, Massie says he ran home and told his
parents, Grover and Laura Massie, and his 8-year-old brother,
Lyveere.

"Mom and Dad tried to convince me that I really hadn�t seen
anything, and was making up the whole thing," he said.

He says his dad announced he wanted no member of his family
mentioning the incident to anyone because they might think
Norman was "crazy in the head, or an idiot."

Massie broke his silence on the matter in 1990 when he told his
son, Jerry, who was a Colonel in the Air Force at the time.

"When I got done telling him the whole story he told me there
was nothing wrong with me, that the Air Force files are full of
pictures of UFOs. He accepted my story as the truth."

Massie says he�s convinced the object had to come from somewhere
other than Earth. "It doesn�t bother me one bit that people
might think I�m a crazy old man. In my own mind and my own
heart, it existed and I saw it with my own two eyes."





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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:40:55 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:18:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:09:22 +0200
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>The argument that you asked a member of the Meier-cult doesn't
>>really do it for me aswell. When i tried to contact FIGU on a
>>completely different matter, I was given different answers on
>>the same questions from them. Also to me it is the same than
>>trying to get an abused wife to leave her husband, won't work!

>>Why?

>>Simply because she absolutely 'believes' in her husband. Sure
>>honey I'm gonna change, it wasn't meant to be that hard...new
>>excuse everytime. Same with Meier's followers, no matter how
>>many facts you shuff under there nose, they _do_not_want_to_
>>listen_! They just KNOW you're wrong and they're right... :)

>Well, why don't you contact them and see if you get another
>answer regarding the question whether that water pond has any
>esoteric meaning?


Would a judge aspect a suspect to deliver the evidence for his
own conviction?

For every critical answer that gets asked, FiGU can come up with
ten ludicrous answers, sure, but reading FiGU's homepage one
must draw the conclusion they pretty much put an esoteric
meaning to everything.


><snip>

>>>With that important issue taken care of, perhaps Korff could be
>>>induced to discuss those parallel or congruent sets of
>>>quasi-horizontal scratch-like marks that appear on some of his
>>>Meier photos presented in his book (of which no such marks
>>>showed on Wendelle Stevens' 2nd-generation photo material
>>>derived from Meier's originals). For many months Korff has
>>>refused to respond to our previous requests on this. Why did he
>>>not immediately notice that such marks in no way resemble a UFO
>>>model support line? As anyone knows who has hung a piece of
>>>clothing on an empty clothesline, at the point of suspension
>>>above the hung clothing the support line takes on a shallow V
>>>configuration. The point of the V is the point of suspension.
>>>Same with a suspended model UFO. None of the scratch-like marks
>>>on Korff's photo reproductions show any such configuration or
>>>perturbation. This should have been immediately obvious to a UFO
>>>investigator.

>>The V wouldn't _have_ to be visible. But why bother about the
>>indeed somewhat sloppy parts of Kal's research, if there has
>>been proven _over_and_over_again_ that Meier is an absolute
>>fraud.

>You confuse evidence with proof here. You should keep in mind
>here that _scientific proof_ stands for phenomena which can be
>reproduced; observations that, under certain fixed conditions,
>can be made by anybody; observation upon which normal people can
>agree. The UFO phenomenon is sporadic and can't be reproduced.
>When in science reproducable observations aren't possible, in
>other words, when irrefutable direct evidence is missing,
>"facts" are establised by means of critical, rational and
>unbiased discussions of all the available (indirect) evidence.
>ufology is an indirect evidence business at best and something
>is seldom really proven in ufology. The 'explantions' and
>'facts' in ufology do only indicate how probable something is
>according to certain persons.

Or how willing others are to believe without looking any
further. (Waar is die Hollandse nuchterheid ;-)???)  [sorry
list]

>So what you actually mean by writing "it has been proven over
>and over again that Meier is an absolute fraud." is  "I think
>it's very likely that the case a hoax!".

No, What I meant by writing "it has been proven over and over
again that Meier is an absolute fraud" I MEANT TO WRITE: It has
been proven that Meier is an absolute fraud!"

But if you want to write my posts for me...well... :)

>The question then is what's the basis of your conviction?

What are your points for your convictions then? A Meier-groupie
told me so? That sounds REAL scientific Jeroen..

>>Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
>>Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
>>a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
>>benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
>>Janssen?

>What he did was making a case for the hoax hypothesis.
>Presenting evidence, no scientific proof.

In any court someone with enough bodies of evidence _against_
that person would be convicted. Simply because after adding all
the evidence up it turns in to indirect _proof_. Maccabee's
research was merely a part of the puzzle.


>>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>>excuse Meier came up with?

>Again it's evidence for a hoax, but doesn't prove hoaxing by
>Meier, other possibilities remain open, like alien
>disinformation hypothesis, should also always be kept in mind.

Aliens, I thought the MiB did it !?!?

Why would the aliens pose for a picture (reflecting the
tv-screen, LMAO) and afterwards replace them by fakes? What's
the use of taking the picture then??? Besides that Meier claimed
it was the MiB who did it.

>>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

>Yes, it stands in my garden now. :-) There certainly is indirect
>evidence that a tree once stood there Stevens on p. 49 of his
>book _UFO contact from the Pleiades: a _Preliminary Ivestigation
>Report_ states that an acquaintance of Meier upon seeing the
>developed pictures of the 9 July, Fuchsb=FCel am Hofhalden
>sequence, located  the exact spots from which the pictures were
>taken. "He found that the grass here was 20 to 30 centimeters
>higher than the other grass around."

Since when does higher grass indicate there was a tree ones? I
would be curious to know!

>But also consider that two persons claim to have seen this tree.

Yes, many people have claimed they've seen Elvis too...two
witnesses isn't too covincing, now is it?

>But can you be more specific about how then these photos were
>hoaxed? A model tree?

I didn't make them too, Jeroen, ask Billy :-)

>>Remember even his wife saying it'a all a hoax. (Ever since the
>>'70s! Meier claims so himself!)

>She was several times a member of a group of people who had a
>UFO sighting. So there's a multiple witness aspect to keep in
>mind.

I had multiple witness sightings too, but none of the people
present at that time believe for JUST ONE SECOND that Meier is
for real. Guess that goes for Kaliope too...

>>Remember Meier was seen purchasing helium several times.

>Can you list more details about this. Source? etc.

I'll look it up for you and send it to you.

FiGU admitted freely in our phone-conversation that Meier
purchased helium. You can read the transcript of that in the
latest Frontier2000, a dutch UFO magazine.

>>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

>Was the jpg  from the FIGU site really the source material for
>this analysis ?

Haha, this is _so_ typical, first they complain that others
might have manipulated the pictures now this...

Well, if that's all that it takes to determine _clear_
cut-and-paste edges while they're trying to pass'em for real,
what more would you want???

>>Etc., etc., etc.

>>The list above makes you wonder why Meier is still an issue...
>>Maybe we should accept Rael as truthfull as well, or maybe the
>>Heaven's Gate cult was right also...

>>A surprised and wonderin'

>There's much UFO data in this case which is simply being ignored
>by most UFO researchers, that data shows that the hoax
>hypothesis is much more complicated. That data may have
>important consequences for the ETH. It indicates that "they may
>be playing games with us." And You only have to study the
>available Meier case literature to find this out. By doing that
>you will also find out how 'scientific and unbiased' Korff's
>work really is.

What makes you think I didn't?

The more Meier material one reads the more it becomes obvious
the man's a cult leader making a good living of the ones naieve
enough to believe his BS!


With Kind Regards,

Andy Denne
(A.U.R.A.)
Nijmegen
The Netherlands
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                   Purpose of Recent Billy Meier Postings

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:52:14 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:08:48 -0400
Subject: Purpose of Recent Billy Meier Postings


Dear List,

The purpose of my posting various writings, teachings and
philosophies of Billy Meier is to show you a side of the case
that his promoters conveniently ignore.

Often, Meier's own "explanations" of things are his own worst
enemy, like his Men-In-Black "explanation" for the Asket and
Nera "Pleiadian cosmonaut" photos being a hoax. Not by Meier, of
course, he is Mr. innocent.

And with Meier's people now continually changing their stories,
like the crystal pond denials, I thought it best you hear it
straight from Mr. Prophet himself, Billy Meier.

After the Fox special airs, there will be a permanent web site
that has various tidbits on Meier so that people can explore the
issues surrounding him for themselves. But to say that Meier's
is just a simple case of a UFO hoax, or just another contactee,
is not true.

Meier's cult has also been aded to the official lists of various
cult watching organizations around the globe, and some fear what
Meier and his bunch might do around the year 2000 if their
planned "armegeddon" strategy doesn't pan out, etc., etc.

Again, this is stuff they don't tell you.

As long as ufology continues to soft-pedal their stance on these
blatant hoaxes, (Corso, Kaufmann) and on-going frauds (Meier,
Santilli) then it won't be taken seriously.

You'd be surprised how many people still "believe" Meier despite
overwhelming proof to the contrary.

Kal (looking forward to this thread petering out) Korff





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                 Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 19:23:34 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:28:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'

Hi, Kal,

>As both a UFO researcher and an Investigative Journalist, I
>think it is always vitally important to cleanse the UFO database
>of spurious cases. The UFO field has credbility problems enough
>just existing, let alone when we admit the truth - which is that
>several of the 'cornerstone' cases that constitute at least the
>public's perceived understanding of UFOs just simply aren't
>true!

I suppose I am going to watch the television show out of
curiosity (the same curiosity, perhaps, that makes me wonder why
you have capitalized "Investigative Journalist"), but really,
Kal, this strikes me as pretty heavy-duty overkill. Meier's
silly claims are hardly among the "cornerstone cases" in any
serious definition of ufology. The appeal of people like Meier
is essentially religious, and to people who have the faith,
nothing will persuade otherwise. People who consider Meier's
yarns absurd, as I do, as reasonable people do, as nearly every
ufologist I know does, don't have to be convinced of their
falsity. The details are for most of us merely of clinical or
idle interest.

My old friend J. Gordon Melton long ago taught me to be
suspicious of careless, polemically driven uses of the epithet
"cult."  Broadly viewed, any religion which makes demands on its
followers' beliefs, habits, and private lives -- and most
religions do -- can be called a cult, and most were so called in
their formative years. Meier's theology is unappealing to me,
but it clearly is not so to some, and we ought to respect
people's religious choices so long as they don't require the
sacrifice of babies or the bombings of  embassies. I can think
of any number of demagogic politicians (to remain nameless here,
lest I offend those who think them paragons of wisdom) whose
opinions and policies are hardly less obnoxious than Meier's.

It strikes me that the efforts of Meier believers to bring
"scientific evidence" to buttress their outside-empirical-
reality views are comparable to the "scientific creationists"
who think science can be employed to prove the literal accuracy
of Genesis. A noble endeavor, perhaps, but doomed, misguided,
and not to be taken overly seriously. To the best of my
knowledge, in any case, Meier is not demanding equal time in the
science classes of the world.

Let's keep things in perspective. Let's also resist the
temptation to self-righteousness. Meier is not one of ufology's
major problems, and maybe he isn't even a ufological problem.
And quite certainly, on the scale of problems the human race
faces, he does not begin remotely to qualify.


>Hopefully, this worldwide broadcast and expose will send a very
>loud message to the UFO field, and help propel it in several
>steps down the path towards cleaning up its' act and own house,
>and raising the standards of what it considers "evidence" that
>it demands from its' claimants.

Kal, this is just plain dumb. Come on. (Incidentally, the
possessive "its" does not require an apostrophe.)  Maybe you've
been at this too long. One with your brains, talent, and energy
really ought to be using your gifts to more productive ends.
What next?  A blistering expose of flat-earthers?

>After this special airs, many people will have to ponder the
>question of are they going to start demanding hard, objective
>proof, and let those two factors drive their belief systems, or
>are they going to continue to accept heresay and hoaxes as their
>"truth"?

What is that sound I hear? Could it be a straw man collapsing?

Cordially,

Jerry Clark






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                     Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercis

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:23:08 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:08:02 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercis


>From: Steven J. Dunn <sdunn@logicon.com>
>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998  15:28:39 -0700
>Fwd Date; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:48:41 -0400
>Subject  C-E: Ufology Curiculum Exercise

>I think it would be an interesting exercise ... to create a
>list of courses that would be used for a BA/BS in ufology.

Hi, folks, here are some others:

1) Introductory Observational Astronomy.  This would not be the
type of course given to Astronomy students on a professional
research track, but the kind of course (I have taught for 20
years) which is offered by some community colleges, planetaria
or astronomy clubs. A practical course, with observing and
recognition of sky objects, and an understanding of the night
sky.

2) Basic Photography.

3) Introductory Computer course.

4) Introduction to Scientific Methodology.

5) Optical Physics

6) Introduction to Flight Operations (pilots' course)

7) Meteorological Optical Phenomena - This specialized course
   would have to be developed.

8) Introduction to police investigation techniques

9) Analysis of photographs and videos.

Clear skies,

Bob Young
329 S. Front St.
Harrisburg PA  17104






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              Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz, 08-12-98

From: Glennys Mackay <glenmack@thehub.com.au>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:17:54 +1000
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:43:04 -0400
Subject: Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz, 08-12-98


It would seem the public is not getting any update information.
Read what one disgrunted paying customer thinks of Roswell and
the backwood stance on ufology:
_________________________________

From: ederdak@families.qld.gov.au
To: addsurf@ozemail.com.au
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:55 +1000
Subject: Stanton Friedman Lecture Wednesday 12 Aug


Hi guys,

I went and saw Stanton Friedman last night at Brisbane and would
have to say I thought it was a bit of a fizzer.

He lectured for 2=BD hours.

Talked about the cover up conspiracies ad nauseam, did an awful
lot of name dropping (this was extremely boring and I didn't
think it was what we came to hear about), talked about his vast
superior knowledge. Debunked the debunkers, challenged the
skeptics to a debate as long as it wasn't while he was on tour!.
Showed some crappy slides that were too small to read. He also
talked about the Roswell incident and Betty and Barney Hill's
experiences and then took questions at the end.

The lecture never got past Roswell and there was absolutely
_nothing_ new that none of us haven't already read about.

I don't want to sound like a wowser but I thought it was crap
and all I got at the end of the night was a sore bum from the
seat!

Emma:-)







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               Crop Circle 'Force' Improves Grain Genetically

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:08:06 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:32:17 -0400
Subject: Crop Circle 'Force' Improves Grain Genetically


Source: 'Uri Geller's Weird Web' page in the 'Interface' section of The
Times of London. To access the site, go to

http://www.the-times.co.uk/

and register.

'Interface' is featured on Wednesdays.

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Wednesday August 12 1998 =BF=BF=BF

INTERFACE

Here's something to try at home. Take a handful of wheat seeds,
and plant them. In another pot, sow more seeds - taken from a
crop circle. See which grow faster.

If crop circle investigator Paul Vigay is right, the mysterious
force which creates intricate patterns in fields doesn't just
flatten corn - it genetically improves it.

To find a crop circle near you, turn to

http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/circles.html

and get e-mail alerts to every fresh formation. You can expect
your mailbox to be busy - there have been about 200 circles
every year this decade.

Can all these be hoaxes? Last month a series of circles on Milk
Hill in Wiltshire was blamed on the BBC's Country File team, and
a national newspaper is believed to have commissioned another
fraud at nearby Silbury Hill. But these are just two - out of
scores.

How could hoaxers generate the high radioactive levels Vigay
says he found at some circles? Why would radio interference
increase? Why do dowsers' rods start twitching inside the corn
formations? Why does electronic apparatus such as mobile phones
suddenly go haywire?

UFO spotters have been flocking to the East Field at Alton
Barnes, near Devizes, since a snowflake design was etched into
the corn last month.

One woman believes she has caught on video three silver globes
moving inside the crop circle. Army helicopters have been seen
in profusion, and many witnesses insist they watched a
helicopter chasing a sphere across the field. Crop circle
researcher Colin Andrews says a Japanese film crew there are
delighted - they have filmed bizarre occurrences seven nights
running.

Hoax or otherwise, crop circles are great artworks. The best
images online are at

http://cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/connect.htm


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From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A." <aura@telekabel2.nl>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:01:14 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:17:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics


>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:21 +0200
>>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net
>>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

<snip>

>It's only the sloppy research that has claimed this, plus the
>mind-set that says "It just *has* to be a hoax." Plus the
>ufological tradition that all contactee cases must be hoaxes or
>self-deceptions.

No Jim, they're also a good way to make a living :)

>>Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
>>Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
>>a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
>>benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
>>Janssen?

>Because Bruce's research didn't really show this. Instead, it
>showed that IF it had been a model swinging from a string, the
>string would have had to be such-and-such (~14) feet long.
>Granted he wrote his "Pendulum from the Pleiades" article (1989
>IUR) in a tone that would be satisfying to negative skeptics of
>the Meier case, of which he is one. But that can't be helped. He
>at least did admit that he noticed in the video of the film that
>the top of the tree did suddenly take a jump to the right (with
>a speedy return) immediately after the UFO passed by it, and
>commented that this could perhaps have been achieved using lines
>tied to a model tree pulled upon by confederates at the right
>moment. Yet no one has simulated any such thing. Korff has
>assumed that the tree was not only a model tree, but the same
>assumed model as at another location where Meier took still
>photos. Yet Jeroen's web site shows a comparison of the two
>trees scaled to the same apparent size, and with their most
>look-alike features facing the same way; the differences between
>them are quite noticeable.

First of all it's funny you decide I'm a negative sceptic, just
because I am not willing to believe in self-proclaimed prophets,
and concerning Bruce's article: I said this before - "It's just
a part in the puzzle proving Meier to be a fraud."

>An implicit assumption underlying Bruce's analysis is that
>aliens/ETs wouldn't be smart enough or possess any strategy of
>dealing with us that could be deceptive at times. Such as
>causing their UFO to simulate pendulum-like motions, for
>purposes that may be similar to those of the MIBs. That is,
>Bruce never commented upon that possibility, perhaps because
>most ufologists of note, and journal editors, do not care to
>think about it. Yet Bruce has noted (IUR 18, No. 1, 1993, p. 22)
>that some half-dozen videos of the red/white nighttime GB UFOs
>showed movements with a quite regular oscillation. There are
>other instances of this, one being in the MUFON J. of Sept.
>1993, p. 20, where the primary witness reported the UFO "swung
>like a pendulum" for a while. Obviously we need to keep the
>capabilities and intelligence of the UFO pilots in mind -- the
>"I" in ETI.

>>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>>excuse Meier came up with?

>>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

>You also need to keep the intelligence & capabilities of the UFO
>pilots in mind, rather than ignoring it.

Mind if I wanna meet one first before trying to draw conclusion
on it's capabilities, or its intellegence.

So, Bruce's work was just "saying IF" but keeping the aliens
intellence in mind isn't? Jim, that seems like double-standards
to me...

<snip>

>>Perhaps you could fill me in on the details of that, along with
>source and names. And what size and weight were the helium
>bottles?

I don't see what the size of the bottle has to do with it. And
if you want it confirmed ask FiGU, just call their SSSC and ask
them if Billy ever used helium to build a UFO, THEY admitted
it...allthough they said it to be just an experiment just to see
how it would look (rather silly excuse, don't you think?)

>>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

>That's the photo that Wendelle Stevens had analyzed in Basel
>with the best scanning computer available then (~1979), and had
>enhanced. So when you look at that one, you're not looking at an
>untouched copy of the original. You need only read pp. 339-340
>of Stevens' 1982 "Preliminary Investigation Report" to learn
>about that. That enhancement is also the photo whose enlargement
>Timmermann used to post at MUFON UFO meetings as showing too
>clearly a defined UFO edge to be genuine. I don't know if he
>realized the history of it or not. If he had wished, he could
>instead have posted enlargements of untouched Meier photo copies
>that show the haze effect very well.

This all sounds great but we took the pic from there own page
and if your interested I'ld be pleased to send you a JPG-version
of pic. 200 showing those edges.


Best Wishes,

Andy Denne
(A.U.R.A.)





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                  Nearly Completed Trans-en-Provence Paper

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:34:33 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400
Subject: Nearly Completed Trans-en-Provence Paper


Thanks to the variety of peer review I received from my
colleagues on the Internet, my Trans-en-Provence analysis is
pretty much complete. I am going to a wait a while to see if
there are any comments from M. Velasco before considering it
finalized.

The current version, with a slightly improved structure and a
new departure thrust analysis is at

http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/analysis/transenp.htm

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
------







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                 Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:41:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:54:27 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Sparks - Roswell Book 'Exposed'

>Has anyone noticed that UFO magazine publisher (owner) is now
>Bill Birnes?

Yeah, I noticed !!!!






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                    Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:08:29 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:39:33 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: Ufology Curriculum Exercise


>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:28:39 -0700
>From: Steven J. Dunn <sdunn@LOGICON.COM>
>Subject: Ufology curriculum exercise
>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Regarding UFO University (UFO U) courses:

>Background courses-->

>Physics 101
>Chemistry 101
>Biology 101
>Psychology 101
>Sociology 101
>Quantum Mechanics I and II

>and needed math--

>Differential Equations
>Calculus I -- IV
>Statistics

>(Not all of the above is in the first year, of course. I would
>say Physics, Psychology, Statistics, & Differential Equations in
>the freshman year, and the rest spread about as
>needed/available. For my degree in Physics, I took freshman
>chemistry in my senior year.)

>Ufology 101 (2 semesters)
>Text: _The UFO Experience_ I & II by Richard Hall>

> "101" level science courses have a lot of history of the
>science , e.g., thus-and-so in ancient times deduced the
>circumference of the earth by the difference in the length of
>the shadow of a stick at noon on a certain date in Athens and in
>Memphis; Newton worked out his 3 laws in 16-whatever; etc...

>Ufology 201--UFOs and Current Science
>Text: _Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis_ by
>Paul R. Hill>

>Ufology 202--Investigation Technique
>Text: TI-02 "Field Investigations"
>      TI-03 "Source Test and Evaluation"
>      TI-07 "Prescribed Load List"

>Interviewing Techniques (probably a sociology or communications
>class)

>Ufology xxx--Introduction to the new" physics.

>Ufology xxx--Hoaxes and how to spot them

Add in history, case analysis examples (numerous) a tad of
psychology and psychiatry and stuidy of explanation
("debinking") method with reference to case examples
in field investigation (use of tools, instruments, etc.)

>You get the idea. If we get enough good minds on this, we might
>just come up with a viable curriculum.

Sure. Then all we have to do is found UFO U with a sizeable
endowment. Then we get Congress to pass a law that no one can
"practice ufology" without a dimploma from an accredited
ufological university.







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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:00:45 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:45:03 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:57:06 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>Dave Vettrick wrote:

>>I'm also well aware of your points regarding how JBJ
>>has changed his story. I'm not arguing any of this nor am
>>I vouching for any of his claims about the photos
>>now.

>But don't the changes he made, major changes and not just the
>small, unimportant ones make his story useless to us today? If
>he had not done that, we might have a much clearer idea of what
>happened in Ramey's office about 4 PM.

>>About all I do agree with is that if it hadn't already
>>been done, an anysis of the photos using today's technology
>>was in order. Which is sort of how all this got started
>>in the first place. But that's another story.

>We did, and have, analyzed those photographs from a number of
>perspectives. There is nothing in them to suggest, as Johnson
>now claims, there was real debris. There is nothing to suggest
>that there were symbols on the beams or evidence of the tape.

>>What I am objecting to is what appears to be deliberate
>>misrepresentations by Durant of what JBJ has said and done
>>recently regarding the photos. Like I said in the my
>>message, it's immaterial whether one agrees or not with
>>what JBJ says now regarding the photos.

>Actually it isn't immaterial at all. We can all agree that
>Johnson took the pictures. But, if he begins to expand his
>story, change what he said, and is at odds with the evidence
>that has been discovered, then doesn't he begin to detract from
>the Roswell case as a whole? Doesn't his expanded story and the
>major changes suggest that he is being less than candid?

>>What really got me going was when JBJ told me he has
>>had no contact with Durant. Looking into it further I found
>>many other out & out fabrications on Durant's part.

>You mean just as Johnson had fabricated parts of his recent
>statements such as the one in which he claimed he tried to get
>me to retract the statements that he claimed were wrong. This,
>despite the fact that I had tried over a period of months to get
>him to respond to me questions. Isn't his attack on my
>credibility damaging to the Roswell case?

>>I'm not vouching for anything JBJ says re the photos or what
>>happened in 1947.What I am addressing is what appears to be one
>>more person who feels he can just makethings up as he goes
>>along and pass them off as factual when they are >not.

>Ditto for JBJ...

>>I disagree JBJ's done more harm than the debunkers of the
>>type Durant evidently is, who makes things up and deliberately
>>lies for the sole purpose of discrediting people.

>How about when the debunkers and the skeptics pick up on the
>changes that Johnson has made and use it to prove that ALL the
>Roswell witnesses suffer from the same problems? How about when
>he makes charges claiming that he can see some of the symbols on
>the beams that resemble the symbols on the tape claimed by the
>Project Mogul crowd?

>>If nothing is in the photos, as I agree is probably the case,
>>that will certainly come out after experts have taken a look.
>>That alone would be more than enough to silence, or even
>>discredit JBJ. If he's made these claims knowing full well
>>there is nothing there then he deserves the discredit he'll get
>>in this manner.

>He has already been discredited by the major changes in his
>story. Yet, even after five years, he's still around, making up
>more tales (he unpacked the debris), lecturing to the
>unsuspecting, and producing more false claims about my research.

>>But what he doesn't deserve any more than anyone else is to
>>have soemone he doesn't even know makes up lies about him and
>>broadcast them all over the internet.

>I know how this works. Read some of the nonsense that Johnson has
>published about me on the internet. Poor JBJ...

>>We don't need people in the arena who are willing to flat out
>>lie about people.

>Exactly... and JBJ fits that description...

>KRandle


Kevin,

I have the utmost respect for you, your research, and Mr. J.
Bond Johnson. Therefore, please understand no disrespect is
intended in any of my comments about this current subject.

As I see it, this is a dispute between you and him over a
relatively insignificant part of the overall Roswell case. The
most important issue is getting the truth out of the Government
about what really happened in July 1947. Even if Mr. Johnson has
changed his story as you claim, this doesn't detract from the
Roswell case in my opinion.

This dispute about whether the debris was switched by Ramey, or
what JBJ photographed was the real debris, is not the subject of
my taking issue with Mr. Durant. I don't wish to engage in a
debate with you about the relative merits of your position over
Mr. Johnson's. I'm not taking a stand on either side.

In fact I hope you and Mr. Johnson will put your hackles down
long enough so you can discuss and debate the issue. In my
opinion the more healthy exchanges there are for all to see, the
more likely it becomes that someone else who has some facts
about Roswell will come forward. I feel fairly confident a calm
panel style debate between you, JBJ, and other qualified
interested parties could be arranged if you're interested.

You said you looked closely at these photos. How long ago? I
don't see any harm in having another look at the photos using
modern techniques. Some people may see things and some may not.
People can draw their own conclusions.

Perhaps someone with really state of the art equipment can
establish conclusively if there is something there or not. If
not then so be it. It there is then we'll have our smoking gun
that we were all hoping for with the AA film, then Corso, etc.

You seem to be making the argument that JBJ is fabricating
things about your 1989-90 interview. Therefore, whatever
falsehoods are directed at him are OK; look the other way
because he deserves it.

You're sore about what you perceive is JBJ's damaging your
research and credibility. I don't feel that has happened at all,
and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. But I don't believe
you really condone someone deliberately fabricating things just
to discredit someone, even JBJ.

I've taken issue with Mr. Durant because most of his 6/15
article is simply a fabrication, and I've asked him to
substantiate his claims. I'm aware he's responded to my article
posted on UFO UpDates last week, and will be answering that
shortly. I think you'll find my reply will prove my point.

JBJ has substantiated what he said about the enhancements
through the work of Ron Regehr, Associate Director, MUFON,
Orange County and Aeronautical Engineer

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/8827/

and

Neil Morris, Photo Analyst Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, Univ.
of Manchester

http://adm2.ph.man.ac.uk/ftw-pics/index.htm

You may not agree with Ron and Neil's assessments of what is
shown. But it's a heck of a lot more than Mr. Durant has done
with his erroneous statements.

Dave Vetterick





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               Re: Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:26:59 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Early 50's sighting in Evansville, Indiana?

>From: Robert Earle <Robert_Earle/UT/ASP@autolivasp.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:13:56 -0600
>Subject: Early 50's sighting in Evansville, IN????

>Hello list,

>My father tells me the story of a sighting he had when he was a
>boy, all he can really remember is that it was in Evansville
>Indiana in the early 1950's.
>
>He does know that a story was printed in the Evansville courier
>sometime later and that it was reported by multiple witnesses.

>Can anyone help me find out any more information or a copy of
>the courier story from this event?

>It was described as reddish and cigar shaped by him to me. The
>closest I've found so far is a red cigar shaped craft sighted in
>Louisville Kentucky in (1954?) if I recall correctly. But he
>seems to feel his sighting was earlier than that and definitely
>in the Evansville area.

Robert: I do not have a listing in my database for this
specificevent. However, I do have the sighting of 08APR1950,
just across the river to the Southwest in Henderson, KY.

3 farmers claimed to have seen some 30-foot "oil-drum" shaped
objects whiz by in formation. Color of objects is not given, but
they reportedly left a trail of smoke.

My source is book 2, of three booklets for 1950, from the
excellent Loren Gross series 'UFOs: A History'; page 12.

Loren's reference is simply "Henderson, KY, 8 April'50 (UP)"
apparently a United Press newswire item for that date. There
is no further detail.

I cannot do much more without at an approximate date at least.

I do have Evansville sightings from other decades, and several
for nearby towns. Only the Henderson,KY listing seems to fit
into the time frame, but the descriptions do not really match.

Sorry

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                       Bill Cooper on the Alien Threat

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:59:36 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:39:17 -0400
Subject: Bill Cooper on the Alien Threat


Several years ago, I read that Bill Cooper no longer believes in
aliens. This excerpt from:

http://www.harvest-trust.org/majestyt.htm

would seem to confirm that.

***************** Begin copy text ******************

The plan for the creation of a socialist world government is
protected by an invented extraterrestrial threat from space. The
entire UFO phenomenon and the uFOOLogy movement has been created
to further the protection and activation of the plan.

Within MAJESTYTWELVE is Operation Majority which justifies the
plan by presenting an extraterrestrial threat as the reason for
the necessity for world government ala "Who speaks for planet
Earth... Cuba?" Operation Majority is named after the original
Bolshevik party which sparked the Russian Revolution...
Bolshevik literally means "the majority". The plan states that
if the American people are ever told of this extraterrestrial
presence the aliens will destroy the united States of America.
All who have access to the plan or who inadvertently discover
the plan are silenced by that warning.

A further safeguard insures that anyone who links the so-called
alien threat with the coming world government will be ridiculed
and discredited by the press. When I saw the plan in the Navy I
believed the alien threat was real... just like everyone else.
It was not until I had performed many years of research that I
was able to fully understand exactly what it was that I had
seen. It was difficult at best for me to believe that my
government and the Navy had used me, especially since I had
dedicated my life to government and military service.

The plan is real, the extraterrestrial threat is artificial. The
alien threat is presented through the use of secret technology
originally developed by the Germans in their secret weapon
programs during WW-II, by geniuses like Nikola Tesla, and many
others. Most military and government personnel who have access
to this material believe the threat is real. None of them,
however, has ever seen any evidence of the existence of any
extraterrestrial creature nor any advanced technology other that
that of human origin. It is extremely difficult if not almost
impossible to believe that Top Secret documentation could be
lies. It is trust in government by men and women who have given
their lives in its service that keeps the secret.

***************** End copy text ******************

Kind regards,

Keith






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                Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:14:46 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:13:41 -0400
Subject: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special


Dear List,

Several of you have asked me for a copy of Mike Lee's short
interview article that's been quietly making the "BCC" email
world. Here it is, enjoy:


Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special
by Michael Lee


Kal Korff is stuck, waiting for an airplane. He is in between
flights, impatient "to get going," as he puts it, and after
repeatedly pestering him for an interview he reluctanty agrees
to sit down and talk to me for a while. Just who is Kal Korff
you ask? He is everything from a real-life, living, breathing
Fox Mulder-type to the UFO field's unquestioned media superstar.
Korff is busy plane hopping and is totally engrossed in his
latest project, a one hour TV special that he has just finished
filming with Fox television that promises to wreak havoc, in
typical no-holds-barred Kal Korff style, down upon both the UFO
and paranormal fields simultaneously.

The name of Korff's new special is "World's Greatest Hoaxes:
Their Secrets Finally Revealed" and is a joint collaboration
between Korff and famed alien autopsy producer, Bob Kiviat.
Korff and Kiviat have known each other for years, and have
collaborated in the past.

"Bob could have asked any number of people to help him on this
project. Instead, Bob chose me to head up the research and some
of the segments, and I am very grateful." Korff reflected, while
slamming down a Dr. Pepper. "It's not every day that one gets a
chance to work, more than fulltime, and exclusively focus on,
producing a hard-hitting, TV expose special examining some of
the world's greatest mysteries and hoaxes. I will never forget
the experiences I lived on this project, both in Los Angeles and
in Europe."

When asked to confirm the specific cases and the verdicts
outlined in the special, Korff declined, citing non-disclosure
obligations. However, he made it clear that he was allowed to
comment on the various internet-based rumors that have been in
circulation about the show for months. Taking him up on his
offer, I grilled Korff to learn as much as I could.

"Is it true that you went to Switzerland, again, to investigate
the Meier case for the Fox TV special?" I asked.

"Yes, I did." Korff replied. "And before you ask, I also
interviewed and met Billy Meier's wife as well and for the first
time ever, her testimony appears on a major TV network. What
Mrs. Meier had to say was most interesting and will air in the
Fox special. We were able to independently verify it, and that's
the important thing."

Q: "Billy Meier claims on his web site that you have conspired
with his wife and Luc Burgin to ruin him. Is this true?"

Korff: "Billy Meier is always claiming all kinds of things, a
good many of which are simply not true and that's another
example right there. I did not even meet Meier's wife until
March of 1998, when I was leading the Fox production for the
Meier segment out in Switzerland. That is also the first time I
met Luc Burgin, who also accompanied me and acted as translator
between me and Mrs. Meier. Luc spoke the peculiar dialect
Kalliope Meier does so there was no problem insuring the
linguistic integrity of her remarks."

Q: "Where did you film the interview with Mrs. Meier?"

Korff: "We filmed her right in her living room. Actually, there
were several cameras there, and several people filmed throughout
the entire day. Mrs. Meier's revelations about Billy Meier are
probably just beginning I would think. I would like to see her
do a book about what she has endured over the years living with
that crazy cult leader, Meier. Maybe I should propose that to
her!"

Q: "I have also heard that the alien autopsy case is exposed as
a hoax in the upcoming Fox special as well. Is this true?"

Korff: (Smiling repeatedly) "I cannot and will not comment on
what specifically may or may not be in the Fox special about the
alien autopsy case. The only thing I will say is that the case
has been solved, lucky me, and that I wouldn't want to be Ray
Santilli after this Fox special airs around the globe. It will
be interesting to check back with Ray Santilli on what he thinks
of the show after it airs. I can't wait to do this."

Q: "Mr. Korff, is it also true that you solve the famous Roger
Patterson/Bigfoot film of the late 1960s?"

Korff: "Isn't anything a secret anymore? (Smiling) Let's just
say that Bigfoot fans will have some new and interesting
information to ponder."

Q: "And what about Loch Ness and the Mexico City UFO video that
Jaime Moussan has hyped to the hilt?"

Korff: "All of your questions and the issues concerning these
cases and more will be addressed and solved in the special."

Q: "Is it true that you are already working on a sequel with Bob
Kiviat exposing more UFO hoaxes and cases?"

Korff: "Bob Kiviat and I continue to look into all kinds of UFO
cases, yes, that is true. Yes, we are laying the groundwork for
a sequel. As far as what cases will be in it, that will be
decided in the future."

Q: "Is it true that you deliberately declined to appear in NBC's
upcoming "Confirmation!" so that you could expose the show
later, as a travesty, and Whitley Strieber as a hoaxster?"

Korff: "Well, as you know I certainly have connections at NBC,
but you know I cannot comment on projects that may or may not be
under development at this time. Regarding Mr. Strieber, I have
never accepted his claims or abduction stories as being
credible. I doubt very much that Strieber has a real, genuine
alien artifact implanted inside him like some claim."

Q: "Who is hosting the Fox TV special, Jonathan Frakes again?"

Korff: "No. The host this time is famous actor Lance Henrickson,
from the hit TV show "Millenium." I think Kiviat's choice of
such a high-caliber host is wonderful."

Q: "Are you trying to destroy the UFO field?"

Korff: (Shocked, but laughing) "No. That's an absurd suggestion.
Look, it's very simple. I am trying to clense the UFO database
of bogus cases, as well as learn as much as I can about other
cases that might indicate visitations by real ETs. However, I
haven't yet found a single case that provides that kind of hard
evidence. I am still looking for such a case, and as I
investigate various cases, and sometimes come across hoaxes, I
will publish the results of my investigations so the public can
decide the issues for themselves.

"The will or desire to just blindly 'believe' among some of
these people is unfortunate and really embarrassing."

Q: "What's the main point or message behind the Fox TV special?"

Korff: "Well, you'll have to tune in to the TV special to fully
appreciate it, but I'll give you one hint: Think critically."


END





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From: Duane Foster <osiris05@sprynet.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:09:53 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:22:34 -0400
Subject: Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area?

Hello,

I would like to know if there are any UFO meetings in the
Greater Los Angeles area. I see so much going on elsewhere in
the country and in the world.

Would some one also kindly inform me of where and when the next
UFO meeting will be in the Antelope Valley. I am aware that on
occasion they are held at Mario's Music in Lancaster.

I very much would like to become more active in the cause, for I
feel I have a alot to share in my experiences that I have had
throughout my life.

Thank you.

Roni






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               Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:01 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:27:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ


>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:37:11 +0200
>Subject: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, New South Wales


>Source: alt.ufo.reports - August 10.

>Stig

>*******

>Subject:      quirindi - sighting
>From:         "Raymond Brooks" <rbrooks@zeta.org.au>
>Date:         1998/08/10
>Message-ID:   <6qmun7$o5q$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au>
>Newsgroups:   alt.ufo.reports


>Anyone hear about the 'mass' UFO spectacle at Quirindi (nr
>Tamworth) in Northern NSW [Australia] today?

>Apparently a 'good show' of various craft doing a lot of things
>around & about farms for around 1.5 hours - including the
>release of 'angel hair'

>- reported in an interview this afternoon on Sydney Radio 2GB.

An interesting AFP story from August 10 has been posted to
alt.ufo.reports" by "Chronic"

chronic@haze.com


Stig


*******

Subject:      Sighting: Australia, Quirindi. 20+, Netting Dropped.
From:         chronic@haze.com (Chronic)
Date:         1998/08/13
Newsgroups:   alt.ufo.reports

Long Post

Comments at END


SYDNEY, Aug 10 (AFP) - Maybe the little green men were just
doing a spot of cleaning but residents of a small Australian
community swore Monday they had seen cobwebs fall from the sky
after UFOs passed overhead.

Eunice Stanfield, 61, was among the residents of Quirindi who
called Australia's National UFO hotline Monday after seeing what
looked like spider webs fall from above.

Stanfield said she first noticed the cobwebs on her
daughter-in-law, but "later we saw about 20 silvery baubles in
the sky."

"When some of them manoeuvred and increased speed this cobweb
like substance started to drop to the ground. Some of it got
caught on the telephone lines," Stanfield said.

Ross Dowe, a spokesman for the National UFO (NUFO) hotline, said
it had received about 20 calls from Quirindi, a small inland
township about four hours north of Sydney.

All of the callers had given similar descriptions of the
sightings, according to Dowe.

"Since we set up the hotline six years ago, the NUFO has
received about 35,000 calls from around Australia, and all but
about 15 percent had been explained logically," he said.

The sightings probably had a simple explanation, Dowe said,
although he offered a seemingly unlikely theory -- silver
balloons on fine fishing lines -- as a possible explanation.

"The fishing lines could have been dropped accidently and lost
by the finders, giving the impression the substance had
disappeared," he said.

"If they have any mysterious cobwebs, they can place it in a
plastic bag and post it to us. Even if it appears to
disintegrate, we may be able to pick up traces."

---------

This sounds like a bonafide case, the objects were moving
erratically, this is how most true cases are reported, but what
my mind is puzzling over is what are they doing now?

Spraying cobweb like netting on rural Australians ? Practicing
some form of entrapment.

Another thing of interest, over 6 years they have had 35000
calls. 15 percent were unidentified or 5250 over 6 years. IE
maybe actual UFO's.

875 a year
72 a month
18 a week.
2 a day

SHIVERS! 18 REAL unexplained sightings a week.

Anyone with Comments please contribute..







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                   Cult Leader(s)...Billy Meier?....Pope?

From: Beverly Trout <btufo@netins.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 08:18:07 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:45:08 -0400
Subject: Cult Leader(s)...Billy Meier?....Pope?

Dear List -

Might the UNIVERSE (whatever that represents to you or me) have a
bone to pick with ANY leader who seeks to control by issuing
directives of an extremely "specific"( i.e. reproductive) nature,
to that leader's so-called "followers?"

Bev Trout





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                       Re: The Fort Worth Photographs

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:47:15 -0400
Subject: Re: The Fort Worth Photographs


>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:49:31 +0100
>From: Neil Morris <Neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: The Fort Worth Photographs.

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:57:06 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>I have so far been an impassive observer to the ongoing debate
>regarding these images but after Kevin's dismissive statement:

>>We did, and have, analyzed those photographs from a number of
>>perspectives. There is nothing in them to suggest, as Johnson
>>now claims, there was real debris. There is nothing to suggest
>>that there were symbols on the beams or evidence of the tape.

>I felt I had to jump in, rather earlier than I had hoped as my
>own reseach in this matter is still at an embrionic stage. But I
>do have some results to share.

<snip>

Sorry Neil, but I have to side with Kevin on this.

I have looked at the images and your enhancements , and I just do
not see anything unusual. I see glue squiggles and light
reflections from uneven surfaces, but I do not see any
heiroglyphics. I think you are seeing what you and JBJ want to
see, not what is there.

Bob







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               Kal Korff - Please Identify the AF Roswell Lie

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:45:50 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:07:27 -0400
Subject: Kal Korff - Please Identify the AF Roswell Lie


Kal, you seem convinced that the Air Force lied to cover up the
truth about the Roswell debris.  This is apparently because you
see no way around Colonel DuBose's insistence that there was.

Yet, Usenet UFO skeptic "Twitch" has posted:

"The only portion of the debris from NYU balloon flight #4 that
would be shakey [possibly classified] would be the sonobuoy,
which may or may not have been on that flight."

Even had there been a sonobuoy -- and apparently there may not
have been -- would simply omitting its mention constitute a lie?

More to the point, in UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL, Professor Charles
Moore writes,

"On my part, having been closely involved with this affair, the
only untruth I can identify is in the original press release....
But after the initial identification by Warrant Officer Irving
Newton in Fort Worth, General Ramey said the debris was that of
a weather radar target and a meteorological balloon; that is
what Colonel Weaver (1995) said in his report; and that is how
some of the debris from the NYU flights with the unique Signal
Corps ML-307B targets and multiple meteorological balloons could
be described.  On the other hand...the Air Material Command
officers held a press conference on 9 July 1947 at Alamogordo
and stated the debris was theirs (which was essentially true --
we worked for AMC under contract W28-099-ac-241).  So where is
the alleged Air Force lie regarding the weather balloon and
radar target identification of the
debris?"

What's the answer, Kal?

Kind regards,

Keith









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From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:05:35 -0400
Subject: Re:



  THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
  The Grid Point Where It Hovered

During the first hour of the Art Bell radio program of Aug. 10 &
11, 1998, Peter Davenport played a tape in which the caller
reported that the gigantic UFO ... at least 2 miles wide ...
seen by thousands of people over Phoenix, Arizona the night of
March 13, 1997, "had stopped (to hover) for about 4 minutes over
the intersection of 7th Avenue and Indian School Road".

Having worked with Carl P. Munck's rediscovered 'Geomath
planetary grid matrix' for a number of years now, and ... having
a USGS Topographical Map .... 7.5 minute series for Phoenix
Quadrangle ... I studied the map and I calculated coordinates
for the approximate middle of the above intersection. My
thinking was based on the idea that if this most extraordinary
UFO had stopped for 4 minutes over a certain "intersection",
maybe that 'intersection' in terms of latitude/longitude
coordinates was being pointed-out to "us" by the intelligence
piloting the UFO. Here are the coordinates I found :

Longitude  W.Greenwich  112 deg  04 min  59.62 sec
Latitude  North33 deg  29 min  41.25 sec

At this point, I need to explain that Carl P. Munck has found
that our "ancient prime meridian" does not run through
Greenwich, England, but instead passes through the center of The
Great Pyramid of Giza. This is an extremely important discovery
(or, rediscovery) by Munck. So; we add the longitude distance
between Greenwich and Giza ... 31 deg  08 min  0.8 sec ... onto
the above numbers to get the actual W. Giza Longitude : 112 deg
04 min  59.62 sec +  31  08 0.80
-----------------------------------
143 deg12 min  60.42 sec  W.Giza

There's one more step necessary to get the "Grid Longitude" ...
and that is to multiply the number of degrees  x  no. of minutes
x  no. of seconds :

 143 (deg)  x  12 (min)  x  60.42 (sec)=103680.72

At this stage, we have an "approximation" of a 'matrix-valid'
Grid Longitude.

As we study this matrix, we are becoming more adept at
recognizing the significant parameters that are encoded within
it. One such parameter is The Precession Cycle of Earth in
years. (Author and researcher Graham Hancock discusses Earth's
Precession Cycle in his latest book, "The Mars Mystery").
Recall, now, that the caller to Peter Davenport reported that
the Phoenix UFO had "stopped for 4 minutes" over that particular
intersection. One complete Precession Cycle of Earth is 25,920
years .... and 4 times that number is exactly 103680. In this
case, I would say that we have our specific Grid Longitude of
103680 W.Giza "alluded-to" by the UFO :

  143 (deg)  x  12 (min)  x  60.41958042 (sec)=103680  W.Giza
 = 25920  x  4

Based on Munck's system, I have rediscovered the Geomath
planetary matrix numbers for Rennes Le Chateau in the South of
France, a very important historical site, possibly involved in a
secret lineage of Jesus Christ. My figures for Rennes Le Chateau
show 103680  North for its Grid Latitude:

42 (deg)  x  55 (min)  x  44.88311688 (sec)=103680  North =
25920  x  4

I saw that Bruce Cathie had given a latitude of 42 deg  55 min
44.8 sec for Rennes Le Chateau in his book, "The Harmonic
Conquest of Space", on page 109. I used his figures as a
starting point, and applied Munck's system. (Grid Longitude for
Rennes Le Chateau is  16501.1845  W.Giza, and Grid Point Value
is  2Pi).

Now ; as for the Grid Latitude of the "4-minute stopover" of the
Phoenix Flyover of 03-13-97: 33 (deg)  x  29 (min)  x  41.25
(sec)=39476.25

This is our "approximation". Again; from studying this matrix
for several years, I can recognize important encoded
information, such as the mathematical constant of Pi .... the
ratio of the circumference to the diameter of any true circle or
sphere. The "base-10 system" is another encoded component of
this deeply-ancient matrix. Our precise Grid Latitude :

33 (deg)  x  29 (min)  x  41.252265 (sec)=39478.4176  North
=
(2Pi) Squared  x  1000

To get the Grid Point Value ... the point of "intersection" ...
we take the ratio of Grid Longitude to Grid Latitude ... always
larger-over-smaller:

103680  /  39478.4176=2.62624508 =0.65656127  x  4

You might be wondering, now, what the figure 0.65656127 means.

This is a 'base-ten harmonic' of 656.56127 ... which is
precisely equal to an arrangement of 4 (there's that 4 again)
elements or 'factors' which are all very important in "our"
geometry and number system :

 656.56127=(360  x  Radian deg)  /  (10  x  Pi)
 =Grid Point Value of "The Face on Mars" @ Cydonia
[see work of C.P. Munck and work of M.L.Morton]


Michael Lawrence Morton
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              Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:03 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:05:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special


> From:  Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:14:46 EDT
> To: Updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special

> Dear List,

<snip>

Kal, if you don't want to answer questions about your sighting,
just say so.  But please don't continue to torment me by raising
my hopes only to dash them cruelly.

For the fourth time, these are my questions.

You describe "a bright, red light with a definite metallic or
'spherical' surface reflection behind it.  It was about the
angular size of the tip or head of a wooden stick match held at
arm's length."  Now, was it the light itself that was
matchhead-sized?  Did it look more or less like a huge red
aircraft light?  Is "spherical surface reflection" a reference
to an object attached to the light? I want to be clear as to
both the size of the light and the size of the associated
metallic object (if that's what it was).  Am I correct in
visualizing a spherical light attached to a larger spherical
metallic object?

Could you expand on the comment, "the sky was pretty illuminated
in the direction of the object due to its location?"

You report that the "second object was about half the size and
half the brightness of the primary object."  Are we now talking
about two spherical metallic objects, each with a single red
light?

The object "executed eight perfect tight circle maneuvers."
Could you hazard a ball-park guess as to the diameter of these
circles?  Maybe closer to ten full moons than three?  Roughly
how long did it take to complete each one?

Aside from the South Bay in the winter of '81, are you aware of
any other UFO reports of objects that appeared or behaved
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                          The Universal Foundation?

From: Karl T. Pflock <Ktperehwon@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:10:28 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:57:04 -0400
Subject: The Universal Foundation?


GREETINGS, FELLOW LIST SLAVES--

I would be much obliged to any and all who can help me out as
follows:

What can anyone tell me about The Universal Foundation, which in
1967 was at 71 Princess House in Kensington Park Road, London?

Does it still exist?

If so, is it still in same location?  If not, can anyone give me
a current address? Who's involved, and what are its principal
fields of activity, interest, etc.?

Please reply to me directly at <Ktperehwon@aol.com>.

Thx! -- KARL PFLOCK






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                 Re: Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:23:53 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:15:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies


>From Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:05:11 EDT
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Billy Meier on Himself & Having Babies

>Dear List,

>In continuing to hammer away and drive home the point to
>everyone that Meier is the leader of a religious UFO cult,
>here's another goodie:

>These are Billy Meier's own instructions for having kids....
>instructions his followers are "encouraged" to stick by. Meier
>himself, of course, is exempt from these rules, since he
>recently just had yet another kid with his new wife!
><

Dear Kal,

I read took the time to read it thoroughly. Wish I hadn't.

The writer obviously has a rather rational the decision to have
children. Cult-related  or not, potential parents would be well
advised to consider these questions.

So what is the relation to his ET claims? Does he say this
advice comes from Semjase?

That Meier may have some valuable words of wisdom is only
indirectly connected to proof or disproof of ET contact. I have
to side with Jerry Clark, here, and say....enough. Even if
Meier's statements were obviously wacko that wouldn't add to the
evidence against the reality of his purported UFO contacts. You
want to add more?

Stick to direct evidence.






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                  Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:36:19 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:12:11 -0400
Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth


Dear All,

I read with interest ex-CIA man Karl Pflocks' fascinating and
typically lucid article entitled "For Your Eyes Only" featured
in the new issue of Fortean Times, FT114 - September 1998,
pp.34-38.

It seems to me that the UFO debate is only allowed to exist
within certain parameters whereby;

On the one hand the 'believers' believe that an ET craft crashed
at Roswell and others perhaps crashed elsewhere and that
subsequently the material and or bodies were taken to a
classified location for testing and evaluation.

On the other hand the skeptics argue, through an examination of
declassified documents and by pointing out the sometimes obvious
inconsistencies in witness statements, that no flying saucers
crashed. They often further conclude that there are therefore no
saucers, period.

This dead end debate fails to consider the strong possibility
(or reality in my opinion) that the US military was engaged in
the construction of a number of flying disc-type aircraft -
technically speaking these were only UFOs to the uninformed
observer and were in fact low aspect ratio aircraft - from 1946
onwards.

I fully recognise that the skeptics and believers are not
prepared to admit to this and as a result both myself and the
few aviation researchers - not Ufologists - who research this
area of interest plow a rather lonely furrow.

Firstly, there is no doubt that one element of the reality
behind low aspect ratio aircraft is German in origin. The work
of Alexander Lippisch, the Horten Brothers, Gunter Boch, Walter
Dornberger, Von Braun, Dr. Richard Walter Miethe and others was
way ahead of the allies.

Before I go any further let me first add the standard
disclaimer;

Mention of German wartime technologies is in no way evidence of
my support for right-wing beliefs, so-called "Nazi superiority",
a 'secret agenda of holocaust revisionism' or any of the other
smears and BS that have been put out by a few malicious
characters. IN FACT, what is so ironic is that it is precisely
because of warcrimes that some of the men above were involved
in, directly or indirectly, that their work remains classified
by the US government.

Any supposed UFO "cover-up" has very little to do with "crashed
saucers" and a great deal more to do with the political and
military realities of the immediate postwar period....

Beginning with work into VTOL aircraft within the Heinkel
company at Marienhe, Rostock, in the late 1930s the work
progressed and one of the places that it ended up was at one of
three BMW facilities near Prague. This led to the development of
a rather primitive circular-wing aircraft that was able, in
early 1945, to take off and fly for several minutes before
returning home. There are several witnesses to this event. Film
was made of this test-flight and is beyond our grasp at this
stage.

The scientists involved were almost certainly on the "black
list" of wanted technical specialists drawn up by allied
intelligence operatives and hunted down by a combination of FIAT
and CAF Teams from June 1944. Operations Overcast and Paperclip
were examples of allied attempts to get hold of German experts.

Karl Pflock uses intelligence documents. So will I;
Incidentally, these quotations are taken from original documents
that I can send to anyone who is interested enough to make a
request!

There are many similar documents and I quote from a handful;

>From the CIA FOIA Popular ('UFO') Documents site;
www.foia.ucia.gov

"Reported Sightings of Unconventional Aircraft" - dated 19th
October 1955 - paragraph 4;

"Project 'Y' is being directed by John Frost. Mr. Frost is
reported to have obtained his original idea for the flying
machine from a  group of Germans just after World War 2. The
Soviets may have obtained information for  this German group."
(Project Y was a saucer-type design, see below)

>From a Counter Intelligence Corps region Vl document dated 10th
November 1947 (declassified 1994);

SUBJECT; Flying Saucers - paragraph 2

"The opinion was expressed that some sort of object, such as the
flying saucer, did exist. At the present time, construction
models are being built for wind tunnel tests. It is further
suspected that the flying objects may have been developed from
original plans and experiments conducted by the Germans prior to
the capitulation. Headquarters, 970th CIC detachment, European
Command, is desirous of locating German aircraft specialists or
test pilots who might have some knowledge of similar
aircraft............This canvass is to be made discreetly and to
conceal our interest in the subject."

Resulting information was to be sent to Air Material
Command......

This puts an entirely different perspective on things. This is
nothing to do with crash retrievals, alien spacecraft but
man-made technologies.

I received an email with detailed information from a man
involved in early radar testing of flying wing designs
constructed in the USA using German plans. He told me that they
had a low Radar Cross Section (RCS) and were stable in flight
with excellent lift. What is more, such flying wing aircraft
(and a disc is a flying wing too) were said in USAF Air
Intelligence Report 100-203-79 to 'most closely resemble' those
objects reported as UFOs......

Back on 23rd September 1947 the Schulgen Memorandum, and I quote
from a copy of the original, stated that;

"It is possible within the present US knowledge - provided that
extensive detailed development is undertaken - to construct a
piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object
in subparagraph (e) above which would be capable of an
approximate range of 7,000 miles at subsonic speeds.

Beyond the good ol' UFO myths about lightning speeds of travel -
where no observer would see a thing - many of the early
sightings of so-called UFOs noted a heel-shaped planform and an
aircraft that travelled at estimated speeds of between 300-600
mph. I take these approximate speeds from reports by aircraft
pilots who saw structured craft and who might reasonably
expected to make a better estimate.

Of course, the usual suspects will debunk all this but I think
that we're getting near the truth of the matter.

Even more fascinating was Nathan Twinings' association with
'Operation Paperclip' and the transportation of those
questionable Nazi scientists to the US. 'Operation Lusty', the
postwar effort to get hold of data on German wartime projects
was, not unlike the efforts made by CIC staff both during and
after the war, very similar. There was a clear need to control
the information about these advanced technologies and to recover
the data and develop the aircraft in secret.

So who did all the work and where did it take place?

Initially - White Sands Proving Ground and Muroc Field. The
source mentioned above did the flying wing tests at that
location. The USAF was not the prime mover in terms of
classified aircraft of the type we are interested in. The US
Navy was most responsible. The men who worked on the
Chance-Vought XF5U1 - often held up as an example of a 'failed'
circular wing aircraft - had high security clearances and I have
been lucky to speak to one of them - a 78 year old man living in
Pennsylvania. He worked on the skins for the XF5U1 and contrary
to popular opinion the aircraft flew, often at low speeds at
night, in the Bridgeport, Connecticut, area from 1946. Initially
a prop driven aircraft of circular planform the XF5U1 is said to
have suffered from several deficiencies. Nevertheless, the
postwar rush to replace prop engines with jets affected the
XF5U1 and we now strongly suspect that a jet-powered 'pancake'
was indeed responsible for its' share of saucer sightings. The
man I spoke to was fully aware of this - he in fact worked on
plans for the jet-powered version.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the US Navy was interested in this
aircraft and in fact supported it's development as a possible
STOL aircraft from 1942. The rest of the story is much more
interesting. The project went into the black and I have in my
possession a Project Sign document which says that the US Navy
had an experimental aircraft built by Vought.....

Document; Special Report - Project SIGN - 23rd June 1948 from
Colonel RD Wentworth USAF, Acting Chief of Intelligence;

"Suggest leaving out sales talk for low aspect ratio aircraft.
We will find out their practical advantages from Navy
tests......It is the opinion of this office that since the vast
majority of the objects reported can best be described as being
similar to the flying wing type aircraft of low aspect ratio,
this concept must be retained in the letter. In deference to the
views of the Director of Research and Development, however, it
is recommended that reference be made to past experiments
conducted under the auspices of the Engineering Division and the
present experiments of the Navy with low aspect ratio aircraft
and boundary layer control."

It comes as no surprise to me to learn that the destination for
'Paperclip' scientists was Fort Bliss - on the New Mexico/Texas
border situated close by the White Sands facilities...Chance
Vought moved to Dallas, Texas in 1947.

It was only marginally to do with German technology as the
pancake story indicates. The US and Canada built several saucers
as other intelligence documents and reports, for instance the
recently (1995) declassified 'Project Silver Bug' technical
report, make clear. This was a circular-wing aircraft supposedly
designed in Canada (by a team said to include Dr. Miethe) but
which our sources tell us was actually built and flown (the
plans were drawn up at AVRO Canada primarily as a diversion) at
Papoose Lake from 1958/9.

It was here, at S4, that some of the secret planes tasked with
combatting Soviet intruders were built. The saucers used jet
propulsion. The Soviet threat was a constant preoccupation for
the US military and the threat was very real as Pflock will
know. Klaus Habermohl, a BMW engineer who worked as part of the
Flugzeug Special Projects Group in Prague, was captured by the
Russians in Prague on or about 11th May 1945. He undoubtedly
helped the construction of a Soviet disc and I recently came
across plans for another Soviet low aspect aircraft that would
have used Nuclear propulsion. I do not know whether this
worrying development ever got off the drawing board. What I do
know is that Senator Russell and his party saw a flying disc
during a trip to the USSR in 1955 and that his most credible
sighting was swept under the carpet by the same military
intelligence personnel with knowledge both of unconventional US
and Soviet aircraft. I very much doubt whether Russell and his
party saw the disc by accident........

There were many elements to the ongoing struggle between the
Soviet and US military and their intelligence machines and this
is reflected in several texts including John Ranelagh's
definitive book "The Agency" (Sceptre 1988). Check out the few
CIA documents in its' Popular UFO Documents collection and note
the near hysteria about advanced Soviet aircraft and
intentions......

Perhaps the most important and hidden aspect of this was the
increasing threat of Soviet penetration of US airspace via
Alaska.....

In any case the CIA was most concerned about 'non-conventional
air vehicles' under development by the Soviets as the 14th June
1954 memorandum entitled "Intelligence Responsibilities for
Non-Conventional Types of Air Vehicles" makes very clear. The
CIA also had a close working relationship with ATIC at
Wright-Patterson where much of the official reporting relating
to UFOs took place and also where, most coincidentally, the
technical report for 'Project Silver Bug' was produced..

Again I stress that the CIA and its' counterparts were fully
aware that the US and it's allies were developing saucers and
triangles.

>From the 14th June 1954 document - paragraph 2a)

"....report the use by any foreign power or nation of
non-conventional types of air vehicles, such as similar to the
"saucer-like" planes presently under development by
Anglo/British/Canadian efforts." This is most likely a reference
to the 'Silver Bug' VTOL circular planform low aspect ratio
craft. The advanced radial flow engine version. supposedly of
WW2 German origin, was the favoured model and the Technical
Report, written in 1955 after the CIA had attempted to play down
the significance of the aircraft the year before, made it
abundantly clear that the development of 'Silver Bug' was not to
be confused with 'science fiction' stories about flying discs.

What is more, the October 1955 CIA document entitled "Reported
Sighting of Unconventional Aircraft" noted that 'Project Y' -
the overall project designation for the AVRO family of saucers
including 'Silver Bug' - noted that wind tunnel tests on similar
models had already been funded to the extent of $800,000 thus
indicating that this was no paper plane......

(Let me also make it clear that the AVROCAR hovercraft can only
be seen as a failed cover story. AVRO, it should be remembered,
built the Arrow, a most radical aircraft decades ahead of its'
time. I have information from a number of witnesses who saw
disc-type aircraft in hangars at the AVRO-Canada facilities near
Malton, Ontario, which had nothing to do with AVROCAR. They were
also guarded by USAF personnel.....).

All we are left with now is a filling-in-the-gaps exercise.

This is hardly the whole story but the facts are irrefutable.
Back in 1967 the US military was apparently considering making
some of this information available to researchers but it backed
off for reasons unknown. More information on this is set to
emerge in the next few months and as we approach the millennium
the truth about "UFOs" is starting to emerge.

This is nothing to do with aliens, crash retrievals and
recovered ET technology. The military must be very happy with
the alien mythos and can rely upon Ufologists to effectively
derail serious research.

I hope that people will come forward with new evidence although
I suspect that the usual debunkers will posit a psycho-social
type argument - or more likely simply ignore it as they have in
the past.

As Pflock himself says in Fortean Times 114 - declassified
documents are very good evidence and in most cases were not seen
for 30 years after they had been written.

BUT, In conclusion I feel he is wrong to state that previously
declassified documents contain within them "no physical evidence
of the nature and origin of UFOs" at any time before 1955.

The documents produced here and the accompanying testimony
indicate that flying saucers and the objects described as UFOs
were, more than likely, the product of terrestrial technology.

Tim Matthews, 14th August 1998.

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               Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:45 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:59:51 -0400
Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:00:45 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:57:06 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

<snip>

>Kevin,

>I have the utmost respect for you, your research, and Mr. J.
>Bond Johnson. Therefore, please understand no disrespect is
>intended in any of my comments about this current subject.

Thank you and I understand.

>As I see it, this is a dispute between you and him over a
>relatively insignificant part of the overall Roswell case. The
>most important issue is getting the truth out of the Government
>about what really happened in July 1947. Even if Mr. Johnson has
>changed his story as you claim, this doesn't detract from the
>Roswell case in my opinion.

The point here is that Johnson has changed his story and then
accused me of misquoting him. Johnson's changing his story, and
his attempt to promote himself of the Roswell photographer,
does, in fact, detract from the story. It isn't just about what
he did, but about his claims and how the changed. He becomes one
more of the witnesses who embellished his account or expanded
his account to move into a more public place. When his new
claims explode, it reflects on the whole case, not just his
small part of it.

>This dispute about whether the debris was switched by Ramey, or
>what JBJ photographed was the real debris, is not the subject of
>my taking issue with Mr. Durant. I don't wish to engage in a
>debate with you about the relative merits of your position over
>Mr. Johnson's. I'm not taking a stand on either side.

>In fact I hope you and Mr. Johnson will put your hackles down
>long enough so you can discuss and debate the issue. In my
>opinion the more healthy exchanges there are for all to see, the
>more likely it becomes that someone else who has some facts
>about Roswell will come forward. I feel fairly confident a calm
>panel style debate between you, JBJ, and other qualified
>interested parties could be arranged if you're interested.

When Johnson first raised the allegation of misquotes, I
attempted to find out to which quotes he objected. When he
pointed things out, I told him that it was what he had said.
Rather than accept that, he began to tell people that I had
misquoted him, even when I supplied copies of the tapes so that
he could hear himself say the things he claimed not to have
said. I have tried to years to get him to answer these
questions, and have engaged him in two telephone conversations,
and have written him letters about this. Although he had the
evidence of what he said, he continues to maintain that I
misquoted him. So, while I would certainly entertain your
suggestion, my question to you would be: "What's the point?"

>You said you looked closely at these photos. How long ago? I
>don't see any harm in having another look at the photos using
>modern techniques. Some people may see things and some may not.
>People can draw their own conclusions.

Look at the pictures all you want. We did our analysis a couple
of years ago. Some people may see things and some may not.
Perception raises its ugly head here.

>Perhaps someone with really state of the art equipment can
>establish conclusively if there is something there or not. If
>not then so be it. It there is then we'll have our smoking gun
>that we were all hoping for with the AA film, then Corso, etc.

>You seem to be making the argument that JBJ is fabricating
>things about your 1989-90 interview. Therefore, whatever
>falsehoods are directed at him are OK; look the other way
>because he deserves it.

Nope. I suggested that Johnson had been fabricating things about
me since those interviews. Let's not forget that.

>You're sore about what you perceive is JBJ's damaging your
>research and credibility. I don't feel that has happened at
all, >and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. But I don't
believe >you really condone someone deliberately fabricating
things just >to discredit someone, even JBJ.

I'm not sore, just tired. Anytime anyone wants to disagree,
well, suddenly I have misquoted them... no matter that I have
the quotes on tape. One well known researcher said that he
didn't care what I had on tape because the witness said I had
misquoted him. I had each of the quotes on tape.

I am not condoning the spreading of fabrications. I am saying
that Johnson's skirts are clean and that is the real point. The
man wiped out his credibility a long time ago and yet here we
are still talking about him.

That's where we are in the UFO field. Someone destroys his credibility
and we keep on listening. Don Schmitt lied about his employment,
his education, being in the witness protection program, and being a
DEA agent. He admitted to some of this lies and his association with
CUFOS ended. But he is still out there, invited to lecture about his
investigations. If we were in any other field, he would be tossed out.

Gerald Anderson was caught in lie after lie and we're told that
if he wasn't present, then he knew someone who was. No, Gerald
Anderson was a liar who had read all the books, but we still
hear about his tale.

The point is, Johnson was caught in changing and embellishing
his tale. He was caught making false claims about me, but here
were are, wondering if he doesn't have something more to
contribute. Well, he doesn't and we all should be aware of that.

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                  Re: Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area?

From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:38:33 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:56:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area?


> From: Duane Foster <osiris05@sprynet.com>
> To: <updates@globalserve.net>
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:09:53 -0700
> Subject: Meetings In Greater Los Angeles Area?

> Hello,

> I would like to know if there are any UFO meetings in the
> Greater Los Angeles area. I see so much going on elsewhere in
> the country and in the world.

There is a very active MUFON chapter in LA.  Go to
http://www.mufonla.com

You can email from there and request to be put on the mailing
list so you'll know about upcoming meetings.

> Would some one also kindly inform me of where and when the next
> UFO meeting will be in the Antelope Valley. I am aware that on
> occasion they are held at Mario's Music in Lancaster.

Probably a good person to contact is Bill Hamilton, who has
relocated to that area.  You can probably get his address from
Don Waldrop at MUFON LA or he'll forward your request to Bill.


--

Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
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                   Cobwebs and UFO Sightings in Australia

From: Stefan Duncan <swduncan@foto.infi.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:13:29 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:50:03 -0400
Subject: Cobwebs and UFO Sightings in Australia

I need the stories related to the cob web [angel hair? --ebk] and
UFO sighting reported from Australia two days ago. My email
address is swduncan@foto.infi.net

Thanks.

Stefan Duncan






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                           'Resolving Rendlesham'

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:11:35 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:02:49 -0400
Subject: 'Resolving Rendlesham'


An update on developments in the 'Rendlesham Forest' case,
summarised in a report entitled, 'Resolving Rendlesham: New
Insights and Past Claims Examined', has now been published on my
web site at URL:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pulsar/rend2.htm


The report covers a number of issues, including:

A response to relevant points raised by Jenny Randles in her
recent article.

Burroughs' unequivocal denial that a 'craft' was ever seen by
Cabansag, Penniston or himself.

The origin witness statements and the question of evidence being
withheld.

From an important conference given by Col. Halt on the Microsoft
Network's 'UFO Forum' under the auspices of 'Project:
watchfire':

- For the first time, Halt explains the astonishing reason why
the dates in his memo to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) were
perhaps incorrect [they are] and why he had on occasions given
various dates for both incidents

- The possible implications when the MoD investigated Halt's
claims

- Also for the first time, Halt's detailed explanation of the
perspective which led him to believe the Orford Ness lighthouse
was visible and unconnected to the unidentified light near the
farmers house

- Why Halt may inadvertently be proving that his location for
the lighthouse was in fact where the Shipwash lightship's beam
could be seen and that the 'unidentified light' was exactly
where the lighthouse is located

- Halt clarifies his opinion re the size of the 'object' which
appeared to be 'dripping molten metal', etc. This could be a
shock for some!

- Why that revelation removes a major obstacle to Halt having
been deceived by the lighthouse beacon

- Halt's detailed description of the 'glowing' farmer's house
and how that significantly differs from Burroughs, Cabansag and
Penniston's explanation for the 'glowing' effect.


Why Jenny Randles' most important 'radar corroboration' witness
has long denied his story relates to the 'Rendlesham forest'
case.

The logical dilemma posed by claims that 'ground indentations'
and a 'hole in the tree canopy' were 'trace evidence'.

Sightings of 'strange flashing red lights' within Rendlesham
forest and how their origins have been proven.

Science writer Ian Ridpath's recent exhaustive explanation to
Nick Pope of why the 'radiation readings' were of no
consequence.

The Cosmos 749 Soviet satellite recovery theory and why it is
baseless.


The report contains considerable new insight into the story and
although some of the data may have been mentioned previously,
most of it will be largely, if not entirely, unfamiliar,
especially the revealing outcomes from the 'Project: watchfire'
conference.


The published report contains additional material for
information, including photographs and maps of the area.

I can't recall seeing an 'official' map published before which
clearly sets out where the lighthouse and lightship _were_
actually located in relation to the forest and 'landing site'
etc.


The issues which need to be, and I'm sure can be, conclusively
resolved are hopefully now infinitely clearer, especially minus
the confusion which resulted from Larry Warren's popularised and
distracting claims.


If any subscribers can help further the investigation of this
case by providing contact details for Halt or Penniston, please
let me know via private mail.



James. E-mail: pulsar@compuserve.com





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                              Filer's Files #32

From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:38:41 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:01:16 -0400
Subject: Filer's Files #32


Filer's Files #32-1998  MUFON Skywatch Investigations
George A. Filer,    MUFON Eastern Director,
August 13, 1998,  Majorstar@aol.com  609 654-0020

President Ronald Reagan's address in September 1987, to the United Nations:=


      "In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how
much unites all the members of humanity.  Perhaps we need some outside,
universal threat to make us recognize this common bond.  I occasionally thin=
k
how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alie=
n
threat from outside this world."

NEW JERSEY

Barnegat Light.  On Sunday, August 9, 1998, I personally spotted a rod or
cigar shaped UFO over the Atlantic Ocean about 3:00 PM.  I spent most of
Sunday afternoon looking for UFOs while sun bathing at the beach in Surf Cit=
y.
Alex Cavallari had predicted that I would see one looking north along the
coast Sunday afternoon.  He was right!  At first, I saw a luminous white
object that I thought was a Navy P-3 Orion four engine aircraft.  They
frequently fly in the area on sub-patrol missions.  I picked up my binocular=
s
and the 100 foot long object filled my view.  It was not a standard aircraft=
.
It was in the shape of a rod with flat ends and a long smooth fuselage, but
the edges were sharp and distinct.  No wings, tail or any appendages were
visible.  The center of the fuselage was darker than the rest of the white
craft.  I thought perhaps these were the wings, but even a closer look the
wings were not discernible.  The darker area could have been caused by the
center emitting light or electromagnetic energy.  I watched for ten seconds
trying to reach for my video recorder.  I kept my binoculars on the craft as
it reached the shoreline at about 25,000 feet and 200 knots.  The edges were
sharp.  I looked away for a second just as the craft reached the shore line
over Barnegat light.  It was gone.  Soviet fighter pilots gun-camera film
shows a similar UFO in TNT=92s, The Secret of KGB UFO Files on September 13,=
 at
8:00 PM with Roger Moore, Dr.  Richard Haines, Antonio Huneeus and me.

NEW YORK

Last week, I received a video of virtually the same craft from Jim Bouck one
of our top MUFON investigators.  The video shot on July 2, at 8:00 PM over
Ticonderga of a rod flying south to north by Frank Soriano.  At first, it
appears like a white elongated disc-shaped object, but seems to change to a
rod or cigar shaped craft.  This craft also had a darker center on the
fuselage.  It flies right over a church steeple that is in the video.  The
edges of the craft appear sharp.  It has been sent to Jeff Sanio for analysi=
s.
Jim Bouck writes, "Four months ago, I investigated another sighting in the
same county that took place in July 1997, and the description that I was giv=
en
then was almost identical to the one in the video.  Knowing Frank I am sure
that he doesn't know the other witnesses and would not perpetrate a hoax."
Thanks to Jim Bouck.

NEW JERSEY

Montague: Rita Stivale writes, "About 10:30 PM on August 2, 1998, I was
walking towards my barn to give my horses a late night snack, when I spotted=
 a
bright, white light from a small air craft moving horizontally towards the
north."  It was flying under 1,000 feet altitude and should have had a strob=
e
light or perhaps smaller green, red or blue lights.  There was no sound.  Wh=
en
I turned away for a second it had gone.
High Point State Park: A family spotted an object in the sky with a very
bright spot light, moving north-east at 1,500 feet altitude on July 30, at
10:00 PM near Route #23.  The family said it was there one minute moving
slowly then "In a blink it was gone, not just moved to another spot, but
totally gone." Thanks to Rita Stivale and Skywatch International

GEORGIA

LaGrange: John Thompson SSD is investigating a report from a local citizen
involving an event that occurred on August 10, 1998, at about 12:30 AM.  The
witness is reporting an extremely close up event, indicating he awoke and
could not see the light from an outside street light.  Upon further
inspection, he found that something was between the street light and his
window, moving slowly away.  He was then able to observe non-blinking red an=
d
yellow lights, and a bright blue-green florescent light.  He identified it a=
s
coming from an object that moved off about 100 yards, allowing him to
determine a size and shape.  The object appeared to be dark gray and shaped
like a loaf of 'Colonial' bread and considerably larger than a house.  Yello=
w
and red lights lined the object, with the bright bluish-green light toward t=
he
middle.  The object ascended at about a 20 degree angle and leveled off for
15-20 seconds.  Then it suddenly streaked off at a speed many times faster
than a jet, leaving a light trail from the blue-green light.  Closest distan=
ce
to witness was estimated at 70 feet.  The weather was mild with clear
conditions, moon rising at 12:30.  A check with 911 revealed no other
sightings.  John is continuing with this investigation.

Athens: Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center forwarded info =
to
MUFON GA regarding a sighting.  SSD William Lester of Jonesboro began an
investigation and spoke with the witness, a 31 year old computer engineering
student at the University of Georgia.  The witness was on his porch at about
5:30 PM on Monday, August 10.  While sunbathing, he noticed an elliptical
metallic looking object flying from north to northeast.  He stated that it
appeared to be about the size of a dime held at arm's length.  After about 3
to 4 seconds, the object shot straight up and slightly to the left at a fast
speed and disappeared.  No sound was heard.  The initial contact with the
witness seemed to indicate he is a sincere individual.  This investigation i=
s
continuing.

Chatsworth: A witness in a previous case phoned in information to SD Tom
Sheets regarding a glowing orb observed hovering over a small mountain on
August 8, 1998.  Information from MUFON GA Historian Mike Hitt, indicates so=
me
'mysterious' lights were reported to authorities that was written off as
'foxfire' the glowing of decomposing wood from a natural chemical process.
Investigation will continue.  Thanks to GA State Director Tom Sheets.

FLORIDA

Brad Raby reports, "This last winter while traversing the waterway, we stopp=
ed
in mid FL state Moorhaven in Glades County.  I looked up and was astounded a=
s
was several others nearby to see in a clear blue sky, two very, very bright
lights to the east of us.  It was late afternoon.  My wife informed me that
they had been visible for 3-4 minutes.  The lights seemed to turn like a gia=
nt
flashlight as a discernible beam directed itself toward the ground.  After
that expenditure of energy, the ball of light just collapsed into nothing.
What I think occurred was whatever was there went skyward.  A tug boat Capta=
in
on VHF radio claimed a strange object had been seen over the ocean on the Ea=
st
coast.  I also checked and no launches were made that day from Cape Canavera=
l.
Thanks to Brad Raby sailormon@torchlake.com

MICHIGAN:

Marlette: Jeffrey S. Westover reports that on August 3, 1998, sometime betwe=
en
3 and 5:00 AM, I awoke to see a strange light in the sky outside of my bedro=
om
window.  It looked twice as bright as Venus and was bobbing in the air like =
a
small boat on choppy seas.  As I awoke the hair on my arms and the back of m=
y
neck began to stand up.  Just then I saw a grapefruit-sized ball, silverish
and reflecting the ambient light of the streetlights near my home,
materializes through my bedroom wall.  It darted around my bedroom like an
insect and seemed to be a living machine.  It darted around me in bed and
suddenly shot into my solar plexus area.  My body instantly vibrated at an
amazing rate.  The energy was much more powerful but not as painful as
household current.  I blacked out within a few seconds.  Thanks to
UFOLAWYER1@aol.com. and Jeffrey S. Westover (jeff.westover@mailexcite.com):

OREGON

Salem: Victoria Schwarz reports, "In July 1997 myself, and two other witness=
es
viewed a very large triangular UFO moving with three star-like corners and a
translucent blue light.  It had a low humming sound.  On July 24 and 29, of
this year we also witnessed a similar craft with very large and bright white
star-like object with colored laser type shimmers.  They move slowly, but
occasionally at a fast pace.  There are more witnesses to this sighting.
Thanks to John Thompson ISUR Sighting Victoria Schwarz, Schwarz-1@msn.com at
503-585-8765.

CALIFORNIA

Recently reported UFO sightings over San Francisco by numerous witnesses wer=
e
most likely meteors'.  Fast-moving blue-green lights that apparently broke
apart and disappeared in a shower of sparks were most likely bolides.  Early
August, Perseids meteor showers were probably the cause of the excitement.
One interesting report is that a giant tire fire ignited in the Tracey area,
where the objects are thought to have hit the ground.  One observer pointed
out that these meteors could make great cover for UFO penetrations.

COLONEL COLMAN VON KEVICZKY

Colman S. Von Keviczky the internationally prominent Ufologist and Hungarian
military scientist, passed away July 27, in New York City.  I met Major Colm=
an
Von Keviczky about five years ago and was immediately impressed by his
sincerity, vivaciousness, and strong belief in UFOs.  He was a gentleman and=
 a
man of honor.  He fought Communism in is homeland of Hungary, and was recent=
ly
awarded his new rank of Colonel by a grateful country.  He could speak with
authority on every phase of UFOs.  He traveled around the sun 88 times, and
had a long productive life before cancer took its toll.  He fought against
Communism and the closed minds who deny the existence of UFOs.  Colman
pioneered the idea that Star Wars (SDI or strategic missile defense program)
was aimed at the aliens long before the also recently deceased Colonel Corso=
,
put it in his Roswell book.  I salute Colonel Colman Von Keviczky (1909-98),=
 a
wonderful person who spent much of his life dedicated to UFO research.

HOW TO SEE UFOs

 "Snowbird," a commercial airline pilot reaffirms what John Thompson has
already confirmed by the FAA in Atlanta and Columbus, Georgia.  For all thos=
e
"watchers" that want to see UFOs, I suggest finding rural areas with a radar
ceiling that is above 2,000 feet.  Vacant forested hills and wide valleys an=
d
fresh water are also required in the skywatching area you select.  Here's ho=
w
they come in: Under the cover of night and at an extremely high rate of spee=
d;
near 10,000 mph.  Once under the radar ceiling, they find a place to linger
that is also usually masked by hills so those on the ground will not see the
UFO.  I suspect some rural and isolated areas that meet these conditions are
not visited as frequently.  Why UFOs visit other areas with similar
conditions, and not others has not been established.  Another factor, even i=
f
radar coverage goes to mean sea level in many areas--such as along the
northeastern eastern coast where layers of radar coverage overlap--it should
be remembered that only planes with identification beepers are really
followed.  Only if a problem arises, does someone really go to the real rada=
r
scope and have a look-see.  So with no problems, air traffic controllers jus=
t
follow the digital images created by the transponders.  Coming in fast or
leaving fast before daylight arrives the ET UFOs are only seen, perhaps, by
NORAD assets.  And guess what they think?  A glitch in their system, as the
image is not there during the next sweep; or a meteorite or space junk has
entered our atmosphere.  Once the UFO makes it below the radar ceiling and a=
re
settled in their "lair" they've made it.  That's what's going on folks.
Thanks to John Thompson and J Stricker Snowbird. www.dejanews

UFO LUMINOSITY

Mark Cashman, MUFON's Assistant, RI State Director, claims it is often said
that we know very little about UFOs.  The working hypothesis used in the
following article is that:  (1) UFOs have an objective existence as solid
objects that emit energy.  (2) UFOs as solid objects have a body and an area
outside the body.  This "sheath" area is where many luminous effects exist.
(3) UFO luminosity is probably the result of energetic processes which may
very well be technologically generated.  Of all the features of the UFO
pattern, UFO emissions of visible light are among the most notable and
characteristic.  An analysis of photographs can reveal important features of
UFO luminosity.  In addition, there appears to be a close correlation betwee=
n
luminosity and behavior.  The luminosity brightens, dims, changes color, and
flashes, often showing a direct relationship to behavior.  There are two typ=
es
of UFO luminosity: =95Luminosity near the UFO surface and =95Luminosity exte=
nding
some distance from the UFO surface.  You can also see some examples of
luminous structures in UFO photos.  The Belgian sightings of 1989-1990
included an incident (Petit-Rechain) which produced a single photo that show=
s
some fascinating luminous structures at the points of a triangular object.
Robert Campbell=92s photos from Aug. 2, 1965 show the ejection of luminous
material from a UFO.
-The Types Of Luminosity And Their Characteristics:
1.)  There are several categories of UFO luminosity: a) Full body, b)  Patch=
y
body, c) Rim lighting, d) Point sources, e) Beams, f) Ejected.
2.)  Full body luminosity is usually observed on objects in flight.  In rare
cases it is observed in a landed or hovering UFO, however, in those  cases,
the object usually almost immediately engages in flight.  Occupants are (I
believe) never observed near UFOs in the full body state. Landed UFOs rarely
emit luminosity, except in a few cases where emissions from the base of the
UFO are seen to continue as the UFO hovers.  In some cases such as Levelland=
,
the full body luminosity flashes on and off in a way frequently compared to =
a
fluorescent light startup.  Further the Levelland case indicates some
relationship between full body luminosity and vehicle interference effects
when the witness observed the intensity of his headlights varied inversely
with the brightness of the UFO luminosity.
3.)  Patchy body light is usually observed on slow flying or hovering object=
s.
Sometimes this is exhibited as a full body covering which displays different
colors on different portions of the object's geometry.  The dome differs in
color from the body of the object.  Other times, as in the Tulsa, OK photo,
there are areas of darkness between the lighting patches, and the patches ca=
n
be seen to be fairly well delimited.
4.)  Rim lighting can be part of a patchy body light or can be the only
lighting displayed by an object.  This is sometimes perceived as "portholes"
and sometimes as a solid band.  It has also been seen to flash in sequence a=
nd
in unison.  Sometimes the rim lighting is seen to provide the illusion of
rotation.  As shown in the Moreland case, it seems this is distinct from the
sequential flashing of the sort observed in the Exeter case, and actually
represents some form of movement around the rim of distinct plasma sources.
It's probably a cold plasma, and the generation of this plasma is distinct
from that produced by combustion.  Insufficient turbulence exists at the
boundary layer to produce the typical loud noise that such "flames" would be
expected to generate.
5.)  To the best of my knowledge, there are few close observations of point
source lighting.  If the Villas Boas case is to be believed, his observation
indicates that these are bright areas of the surface of the object rather th=
an
incandescent lights as we know them.  Further, assuming the validity of the
Petit-Rechain photo from Belgium, we can see that the tips of a triangular U=
FO
show lights which may also be attributable to a plasma phenomenon.  In that
photo, one can observe interesting striations of density in the light, and
wisps that appear to be partly detached from the source.  The Moreland case
revealed the rim lighting of UFOs makes me cautiously willing to consider th=
at
point sources are, like the rest of UFO lighting, plasma manifestations of
some energetic phenomenon near the surface of the UFO.
6.)  Beams appear to fall into two classes -- normal and slow.  Normal light
beams behave like searchlights or lasers, and are likely to be just such
phenomena.  Although, a laser can be produced from a plasma, it is possible
that UFOs simply control their plasmas in such a way as to cause lasing of
various sorts.  Slow beams, as observed at Trancas, Argentina, seem in view =
of
their slow propagation, to certainly be some sort of plasma phenomenon.
7.)  Ejected luminosity, as shown in the Robert Campbell photos from August =
2,
1965, when material remains luminous for some time after falling away from t=
he
object.  If this material is a plasma then a) it is heavier than air, and b)
it is cohesive enough to survive a fall through the air and retain its
luminosity.  It seems more likely that this is a luminous or molten liquid. =


Now, in looking at the various cases, one can come to some tentative
conclusions:
1.  Most photos of luminosity show some form of limb darkening, strengthenin=
g
the idea that UFO luminosity is a plasma. (See, for instance, the Beaver
Falls, PA and Tulsa, OK photo).
2.  UFOs  must input energy into the near surface area to generate luminosit=
y.
This energy does not appear to be heat energy (since UFOs emit relatively lo=
w
levels of heat in close encounters), and thus is more likely to be the resul=
t
of the injection of electrons (or other  particles), UV light, x-rays, or
gamma rays into the near surface area.  Because of the difficulty of creatin=
g
plasmas at  atmospheric density and temperature, it is also possible
(especially in light of the luminosity of some reported submarine UFOs that
UFOs create an area of lower atmospheric density near their surface.
3.  UFOs may maintain the near surface area ionization by emitting energy in=
to
the near surface area across the entire surface of the object, or from
localized areas (the rim being a likely suspect for disc shaped UFOs, the
points for spindle shaped or elliptical UFOs).  Further, it is possible that
maintaining this ionization even when not in the full body state makes it
easier to go to the full body state.
4.  The maintenance of this  ionization may also benefit from the injection =
of
ionized atoms or  molecules into the sheath, much as a gas laser sometimes
requires  replacement or refreshing of its contents. This may explain the
occasional chemical odors and the occasional presence of apparently chemical=
-
related burns and rashes in close encounter cases.  On the other  hand, thes=
e
odors and substances may be a byproduct of the dissipation of energy injecte=
d
into the sheath  (for instance, could formaldehyde, a frequently reported
smell, be produced by chemical reactions in an atmospheric plasma without th=
e
injection of potential reactors into the sheath?).
5.  Given these ideas, I would suggest that the point source lighting may we=
ll
represent the localized injection of energy or energetic atoms / molecules
into critical locations of the sheath area when the UFO is in the non-full
body state.  Some cases suggest these even may be visible in the full body
state when the full body emission wavelengths are sufficiently different fro=
m
those near these localized sources.  They may also represent random or
sporadic lasing of specific areas of the sheath under certain conditions of
energy emission or local plasma state.

I am skeptical that these represent lighting in the sense of our aircraft
lighting and most of the luminosity represents a by product of a propulsion
system, since UFOs clearly can fly while in a completely darkened state.
Thus, I suspect, that these are manifestations of an air sheath for ensuring
laminar flow over the UFO body at high speeds.  One other interesting point =
--
a few UFO photos show small detached points and elongated spikes of
luminosity.  It is possible that these represent the reaction of moisture wi=
th
the electrical and magnetic field of the sheath.  It=92s possible that UFO
luminosity represents a laser-type phenomenon, in the sense that an energy
population inversion might be necessary to allow UFO luminosity to propagate
from the base to the edge of the sheath.  I am currently attempting to find
some mathematical tools which will allow me to calculate the amount of energ=
y
needed to create a luminous plasma at various densities and pressures from
atmospheric gases.  What controls the ability of photons to make it from the
inside of the plasma to the outside and how can we interpret limb darkening =
in
an attempt to derive the density of the UFO sheath.  Thanks to Mark Cashman
see photos at: http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufolumin.htm

Filer's Files Copyright 1998 by MUFON EASTERN DIRECTOR all rights reserved.
Readers may post items from the Files on their websites or in newsgroups
provided that they credit the newsletter and its editor by name and list the
date of issue in which the item first appeared.

Send your letters to George A. Filer at Majorstar@aol.com.








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               Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:01:15 +1000
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:29:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ


>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:01 +0200
>Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

>>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:37:11 +0200
>>Subject: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, New South Wales

<snip>

>This sounds like a bonafide case, the objects were moving
>erratically, this is how most true cases are reported, but what
>my mind is puzzling over is what are they doing now?

>Spraying cobweb like netting on rural Australians ? Practicing
>some form of entrapment.

>Another thing of interest, over 6 years they have had 35000
>calls. 15 percent were unidentified or 5250 over 6 years. IE
>maybe actual UFO's.

>875 a year
>72 a month
>18 a week.
>2 a day

>SHIVERS! 18 REAL unexplained sightings a week.

>Anyone with Comments please contribute..


Hi from Diane in Aussie
Investigation by Robert & Diane

More details on the UFO sighting in Tamworth NSW

*********************

Time was 17.04pm area 70klm East of Tamworth near Quirindi New South Wales.

*********************

Telphone conversation  between Diane & Amanda Stanfield
Quoted by Mrs A Stanfield:

From  the Tamworth's North Daily Leader:

Story:

Mrs E. Stansfield 61 years said that she saw cobwebs falling from
sky she saw 20 silver balls, which passed over head. When she
went out to her daughter she too was covered in a fine film off
cobwebs. When she tried to pick it up it disintegrated in her
hand. The family car had cobwebs all over it John? Scooped it up
and put it in a jar it to disintegrated. Mr. E Stansfield stated
that the silver balls where flying higher than local air
traffic.

Story Trail

********************

This Story was posted by 'Ross Dowe' of The Australian UFO Hot
Line to the Australian Associated Press, who in-turn faxed it
out to all the newspapers. Tamworth's North Daily Leader ran
with the story.

*********************

Tamworth Police: Tel phone conversation between Robert UFOICQ & Duty
Officer

Duty officer stated today that without an extensive search of
the duty rosters book or talking to his 70 manned staff, he is
currently unaware of any UFO sighting and has received no phone
calls as off 10.00am today.

Stop Phone calls please

*********************

It has been requested that if you intend to investigate this
matter further could you please not call:

Mrs. Amanda Stanfield Tel 02 676871**.

This is the wrong Mrs. Stanfield.

Mrs. E Stansfield is the one you require, but Amanda said she
thinks she may have a silent number [un-listed? --ebk] and is
not related.

*********************

After talking to numerous people today, Police & locals, they
seem unaware of what we, UFOICQ, "were inquiring about."

*********************

I've lived in the bush and found that the local bush telegraph
is better than the newspapers, but this time the bush telegraph
knows nothing about it. So, you make up your own mind about the
sighting, reported by Ross Dowe to the AAP.

Ross is keeps us all in the dark by posting this report directly
to the AAP rather than sending it to the  nearest local UFO
group for further investigation.

***********************************************

Tamworth's North Daily Leader:  will be running a followup story
today.

Don't get the wrong idea about our followup report, it would be
great if this type of report is correct, but it seems Ross is
the only one knows about this sighting - the locals I've talked
to, don't.

So please, Ross, if you have anything that would help with this
sighting investigation could you please pass it on to the local
UFO group NSW.


Regards Diane





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                Review: 'How To Defend Yourself Against Alien

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:59:37 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:33:51 -0400
Subject: Review: 'How To Defend Yourself Against Alien

Source: The Boston Globe Online

http://www.boston.com:80/dailyglobe/globehtml/225/If_alien_abductors_call__j=
ust_say_n.shtml

Stig

*******

If Alien Abductors Call, Just Say No
by Diane White, Globe Staff, 08/13/98


How many times have you asked yourself: What would I do if space
aliens showed up at my door?

If they came for just a friendly close encounter, it would be
one thing. You could invite them in for cocktails and a chat.
It's the alien abduction thing you want to avoid. Everybody
knows what happens when you're abducted by aliens. They probe
your orifices. Life is difficult enough these days without some
alien sticking an instrument, or whatever, into your ear, or
wherever.

In her book "How to Defend Yourself Against Alien Abduction,"
UFO researcher Ann Druffel delivers what her title promises. The
paperback, just published by Three Rivers Press, costs $12, a
small price for step-by-step instruction in techniques that will
help you resist should aliens come calling.

Druffel, who has been researching UFOs since 1957, looked
through 250 case studies and found 70 "resisters," people who
just said "No!," in a manner of speaking, to alien abduction.
Actually, just saying "No!" is Resistance Technique No. 3, one
of nine described in the book. Druffel calls it Righteous Anger.
It requires assertiveness and a positive attitude on the part of
the resister. Righteous Anger, Druffel writes, "is best combined
with strong commands, either verbal or mental, such as 'Go
away!' or 'Leave me alone!' and so on."

I'm not sure I could pull off Righteous Anger if aliens were to
show up at my house. I can't get my cats off the kitchen counter
by saying "Go away!" so I doubt it would work on
extraterrestrials bent on probing my orifices. Nor do I think
I'll be using Resistance Technique No. 2, Physical Struggle. I
wouldn't want to risk hurting an alien. "The intent should never
be to kill or seriously injure the intruders," Druffel writes,
"but to inform them that their presence is violating the
witness's right to privacy."

The problem with this gambit is that aliens don't appear to
understand the concept of privacy. They're forever showing up
unannounced in people's bedrooms in the middle of the night, and
if that's not a violation of privacy I don't know what is.
Personally, I think they could use a short course in etiquette.
I bet Miss Manners could whip them into shape in a hurry.

Of the remaining seven Resistance Techniques my favorite is No.
9, Repellents. Although I'm not ruling out No. 4, Protective
Rage, or No. 7, Metaphysical Methods, or even No. 5, Support
From Family Members.

You can mix and match Druffel's techniques to suit yourself and
the occasion. For example, you could use a well-known Alien
Repellent like St. John's Wort along with a Metaphysical Method
of resistance, such as envisioning yourself enveloped in a
protective bright white light. And if that's not enough, you
could fly into a Protective Rage "using rejecting statements,
even well-chosen curses" against the intruders. Begone, alien
scum!

Druffel writes that most people in the alien abduction field,
abductees and researchers alike, don't believe Resistance
Techniques can be used successfully. Why? Druffel puts it down
to lack of practical experience: "... it seems almost certain
that most [abductees] have never even tried [resistance] with
the necessary motivation and confidence."

Clearly then, it's best to be prepared. Get a copy of 'How to
Defend Yourself Against Alien Abduction'. Practice the
Resistance Techniques on telemarketers and cold-call sales
people and anybody else who pops into your life uninvited. You
don't want to find yourself thinking, "Gee, I wish I'd bought
that book," as some big-eyed entity drags you off to the mother
ship.

This story ran on page E01 of the Boston Globe on 08/13/98.
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                Seminar: 'Mysteries of the Skies '98', Largo,

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:23:28 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:02:45 -0400
Subject: Seminar: 'Mysteries of the Skies '98', Largo,


"Mysteries of the Skies: The UFO Phenomenon", one day seminar,
is being held on August 22, 1998 at the Rennie Forum, at Prince
Georges Community College (located at 301 Largo Road, Largo, MD
20774). Beginning at 10:00am and continuing until 5:00pm (with
lunch on your own from Noon until 1:30), the topics being
discussed include:

UFOs, Computers, and the Internet -- presented by Steven Kaeser,
Researcher and Computer Support Specialist

A Study of Purported Alien Symbols -- presented by Dr. Mario
Pazzaglini, Clinical Psychologist

The Questions of Anxiety and Hysteria With Abduction
Experiencers -- presented by Dr. S. Peter Resta, Adjunct
Professor of Psychology at PGCC

Rip Van Weitzel: A Philosopher Looks at UFOs -- presented by
William Weitzel, Researcher and former NICAP investigator

Two Panel Discussions with Speakers and Additional UFO Experts
are also planned

In addition there will be books and other publications
available, as well as door prizes.

This event is being sponsored by the PGCC Office of Continuing
Education in conjunction with the Fund for UFO Research, and the
registration of $25.00 is payable at the door. Proceeds from
this event will help to fund further research into the
phenomenon.

If you have questions, please contact Steve Kaeser at
steve@konsulting.com







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                 Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:42 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'


>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: "Jerome Clark" <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener' Connection!
>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 19:23:34 PDT

<snip>

>>I suppose I am going to watch the television show out of
>>curiosity (the same curiosity, perhaps, that makes me wonder why
>>you have capitalized "Investigative Journalist"), but really,
>>Kal, this strikes me as pretty heavy-duty overkill. Meier's
>>silly claims are hardly among the "cornerstone cases" in any
>>serious definition of ufology. The appeal of people like Meier
>>is essentially religious, and to people who have the faith,
>>nothing will persuade otherwise. People who consider Meier's
>>yarns absurd, as I do, as reasonable people do, as nearly every
>>ufologist I know does, don't have to be convinced of their
>>falsity. The details are for most of us merely of clinical or
>>idle interest.

I would hope that everyone, including you, Jerry, would watch the
upcoming Fox TV special for at least the following reasons:

1) You are familiar with several of the people, including myself,
   who are in it.

2) It brings national, in fact global coverage to the subject of
   UFOs.

3) It shows that Fox TV does not present just one side of
paranormal issues or topics and neither does Bob Kiviat --
criticisms both have received unjustly in the past before.

4) THe UFO field NEEDS this kind of �Data Enema� so that the
media�s big guns, (like Fox) can then hopefully be trained on
more challenging cases and trying to learn what the U.S.
government may or may not know about UFOs.

This issue is being worked, Jerry, (trust me everyone -- it is
one of the main reasons I am on board this effort. If I felt
Kiviat weren�t serious, I would not participate.)

There are certainly other reasons to tune in: It�s entertaining
TV, never in the history of TV have so many huge cases been
exposed, etc., etc.

Regarding the issue of Meier overkill, yes, I would admit that
perhaps I am �over the top� in my posting Meier�s lengthy
diatribes.

However, the UFO field BLATANTLY IGNORES, as do Meier apologists
like Jeroen, his just plain crazy utterings.

And since Meier and his apologists� latest trick strategy in
trying to appear credible is to simply continually change their
stories or deny they ever told me and those who were with me in
Switzerland what they did and what we have them on tape as
saying, -- by quoting Meier�s own words, this takes their latest
propaganda tool away and allows the reader to focus on what Meier
says firsthand -- which I would argue does reveal much needed
insight into the cult and crazy aspects of the case.

In other words, in order to fully understand the Meier case, you
CANNOT separate his "UFO" photos/films from his self-concocted
spiritual dimensia passed off under the guise of "Pleiadian
contact."

Finally, regarding the �Investigative Journalist� title, I must
apologize for a regional bias on my part -- that�s how many folks
and friends �do it� up here near Microsoft at MSNBC.

A dedicated computer nerd, of which I am also one, would list the
title as "InvestigativeJournalist" :-)

I am an investigative journalist, whether capitalized or not, and
now in addition to having my own radio spot, I also have a series
of special �The Korff Report...� segments coming up both on
radio, TV, in print and on the web.

I was also doing more than just investigating UFO cases and Ray
Santilli while I was in Europe....as Dorothy, the woman who
accompanied me will attest, I also helped German authorities over
problems with neo-Nazis while doing undercover work in Hamburg
and elsewhere.

Feel free to ask Volker Spielberg about the alien autopsy's
connection to Hamburg, Germany, and about what his former
nighbors had to say about him.

This will all come out over time...

>>My old friend J. Gordon Melton long ago taught me to be
>>suspicious of careless, polemically driven uses of the epithet
>>"cult."  Broadly viewed, any religion which makes demands on its
>>followers' beliefs, habits, and private lives -- and most
>>religions do -- can be called a cult, and most were so called in
>>their formative years. Meier's theology is unappealing to me,
>>but it clearly is not so to some, and we ought to respect
>>people's religious choices so long as they don't require the
>>sacrifice of babies or the bombings of  embassies. I can think
>>of any number of demagogic politicians (to remain nameless here,
>>lest I offend those who think them paragons of wisdom) whose
>>opinions and policies are hardly less obnoxious than Meier's.

Yes, I certainly agree that if people want to �believe� in Billy
Meier that they certainly can and should if this pleases them.
However, easy public access to what the Meier case is REALLY
about is lacking.

And while a Fox TV special containing a segment conclusively
exposing the Meier case as a hoax may be viewed by some as
(dejavu!) �squashing a gnat with a sledgehammer,� I remind
everyone that Meier is not a gnat, and until the case is put to
rest, and one can easily point Johnny Consumer to either a TV
special they saw, or a video they can buy, or a web site, that
the hoaxsters and con artists (and yes, cult leaders) who are
already playing off of the emotions of a sympathetic audience,
have the edge and manage to succeed.

>>It strikes me that the efforts of Meier believers to bring
>>"scientific evidence" to buttress their outside-empirical-
>>reality views are comparable to the "scientific creationists"
>>who think science can be employed to prove the literal accuracy
>>of Genesis. A noble endeavor, perhaps, but doomed, misguided,
>>and not to be taken overly seriously. To the best of my
>>knowledge, in any case, Meier is not demanding equal time in the
>>science classes of the world.

>>Let's keep things in perspective. Let's also resist the
>>temptation to self-righteousness. Meier is not one of ufology's
>>major problems, and maybe he isn't even a ufological problem.
>>And quite certainly, on the scale of problems the human race
>>faces, he does not begin remotely to qualify.


I agree, and your points are well taken. Certainly, compared to
the problems the human race faces (like UFOlogy, humanity is its
own worst enemy) Meier is a joke. But the Fox special is NOT
about solving world hunger, nor fixing the world�s ills. The
subject is the world�s greatest paranormal hoaxes, and Meier
(indisputably) places very high in this category.

>Hopefully, this worldwide broadcast and expose will send a very
>loud message to the UFO field, and help propel it in several
>steps down the path towards cleaning up its' act and own house,
>and raising the standards of what it considers "evidence" that
>it demands from its' claimants.

>>Kal, this is just plain dumb. Come on. (Incidentally, the
>>possessive "its" does not require an apostrophe.)  Maybe you've
>>been at this too long. One with your brains, talent, and energy
>>really ought to be using your gifts to more productive ends.
>>What next?  A blistering expose of flat-earthers?

No, Jerry, I respectfuly disagree. I hardly think it is �dumb� as
well, to make the most out of an opportunity to tell the TRUTH
about ANY UFO case, whether it be a hoax or otherwise.  This
time, they happen to be hoaxes.

I am not saying, nor did I say, that the Fox special would "cure"
the UFO field of hoaxes. But it WILL send a very loud message,
which can only help us as long as we HEED it.

Also, if it were not for the specific TITLE and subject matter of the Fox TV
special, I would never have done what I did regarding Meier recently. I
certainly did not need to prove the
Meier case is a hoax to my satisfaction.
Been there, done that.

Instead, what I did over there was recreate for history, a historic
investigation and case, and we have captured for history (I hope) a snapshot
of the Meier case that will be
available for the public to cross examine once the show airs.

Thanks for pointing out my incorrect use of punctuation...as I think I said
many years ago, Jerry, to you in one of my letters from the early 1980s that I
wrote while just a teenager, that I
admire your writing skills and consider
them to be far superior
to mine.

But I write the way I do, for better or worse, and so far, despite some
grammatical lapses, the conclusions of the research seems to hold up pretty
well.

Let me close by remnding everyone, that months ago I mentioned that the UFO
field if it did not start to �police� itself and quit endorsing the Jim
Dilettosos, the Billy Meier�s, etc., of the world, that the mainstream media
would start to turn their
guns on the UFO field and fire on you guys without mercy. I was
serious about what I said, and I meant it.

Some responded to me by saying things like "Who the hell are you to say this?"
or I was dismissed as being "self-righteous" as one person did indeed put it,
Jerry.

But I was not being this. If anything I was being very blunt, and warning
everyone.

What I said happened, a piece that hurt the UFO field (and righty so) was Tony
Ortega's expose. Another was Art Levine's "A Little Less Balance Please" in
U.S. News & World Report. I
remember these reporters and where they were coming from. They
are reasonable people....many of the UFOlogists they spoke with
are not.

I can't blame the reporters, while doing basic fact checking they discovered
that they were lied to -- repeatedly, by several in the UFO field and there is
NO EXCUSE for this fact.

This is a true shame, because it seemed as if the mainstream media was just
starting to take UFOs somewhat seriously. And what do we do when the spotlight
is turned on us? Give them �experts� like Jim Dilettoso.

Way 2 go UFODumb!

I will remind everyone of this: If you think the last of the big
media exposes has come out, you are wrong. I know of two other
productions underway, and this does not include several magazine
�beat� reporters I know.

And with people like Bob Lazar coming out with a big Hollywood
movie (unless it gets cancelled) we have ourselves to blame for
not making it clear to the media that some of us researchers are
clearly different from the rest of Saucerdom.

>After this special airs, many people will have to ponder the
>question of are they going to start demanding hard, objective
>proof, and let those two factors drive their belief systems, or
>are they going to continue to accept heresay and hoaxes as their
>"truth"?

>>What is that sound I hear? Could it be a straw man collapsing?

No, Jerry: The sounds you will hear (and everyone) after the Fox
special airs are these, plus others -- and they pretty much
reflect the mood of Bob Kiviat and myself I would think:

1) The cases we just showed you are hoaxes.

2) You can�t trust everything you see on TV.

3) By the way, we�ll be happy to pay for the proper scientific
testing of ANY UFO evidence you might think is real. But if
you�re hoaxing us, we�re going to expose you on worldwide TV and
in home videos. And some of the hoaxers of late are now in jail.

Will you (the public) join them, become their next victim, or try
to think critically?

Respectfully yours,
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                Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:04:54 -0400
Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97



  THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
  The Grid Point Where It Hovered

During the first hour of the Art Bell radio program of Aug. 10 &
11, 1998, Peter Davenport played a tape in which the caller
reported that the gigantic UFO ... at least 2 miles wide ...
seen by thousands of people over Phoenix, Arizona the night of
March 13, 1997, "had stopped (to hover) for about 4 minutes over
the intersection of 7th Avenue and Indian School Road".

Having worked with Carl P. Munck's rediscovered 'Geomath
planetary grid matrix' for a number of years now, and ... having
a USGS Topographical Map .... 7.5 minute series for Phoenix
Quadrangle ... I studied the map and I calculated coordinates
for the approximate middle of the above intersection. My
thinking was based on the idea that if this most extraordinary
UFO had stopped for 4 minutes over a certain "intersection",
maybe that 'intersection' in terms of latitude/longitude
coordinates was being pointed-out to "us" by the intelligence
piloting the UFO. Here are the coordinates I found :

Longitude  W.Greenwich  112 deg  04 min  59.62 sec
Latitude  North33 deg  29 min  41.25 sec

At this point, I need to explain that Carl P. Munck has found
that our "ancient prime meridian" does not run through
Greenwich, England, but instead passes through the center of The
Great Pyramid of Giza. This is an extremely important discovery
(or, rediscovery) by Munck. So; we add the longitude distance
between Greenwich and Giza ... 31 deg  08 min  0.8 sec ... onto
the above numbers to get the actual W. Giza Longitude : 112 deg
04 min  59.62 sec +  31  08 0.80
-----------------------------------
143 deg12 min  60.42 sec  W.Giza

There's one more step necessary to get the "Grid Longitude" ...
and that is to multiply the number of degrees  x  no. of minutes
x  no. of seconds :

 143 (deg)  x  12 (min)  x  60.42 (sec)=103680.72

At this stage, we have an "approximation" of a 'matrix-valid'
Grid Longitude.

As we study this matrix, we are becoming more adept at
recognizing the significant parameters that are encoded within
it. One such parameter is The Precession Cycle of Earth in
years. (Author and researcher Graham Hancock discusses Earth's
Precession Cycle in his latest book, "The Mars Mystery").
Recall, now, that the caller to Peter Davenport reported that
the Phoenix UFO had "stopped for 4 minutes" over that particular
intersection. One complete Precession Cycle of Earth is 25,920
years .... and 4 times that number is exactly 103680. In this
case, I would say that we have our specific Grid Longitude of
103680 W.Giza "alluded-to" by the UFO :

  143 (deg)  x  12 (min)  x  60.41958042 (sec)=103680  W.Giza
 = 25920  x  4

Based on Munck's system, I have rediscovered the Geomath
planetary matrix numbers for Rennes Le Chateau in the South of
France, a very important historical site, possibly involved in a
secret lineage of Jesus Christ. My figures for Rennes Le Chateau
show 103680  North for its Grid Latitude:

42 (deg)  x  55 (min)  x  44.88311688 (sec)=103680  North =
25920  x  4

I saw that Bruce Cathie had given a latitude of 42 deg  55 min
44.8 sec for Rennes Le Chateau in his book, "The Harmonic
Conquest of Space", on page 109. I used his figures as a
starting point, and applied Munck's system. (Grid Longitude for
Rennes Le Chateau is  16501.1845  W.Giza, and Grid Point Value
is  2Pi).

Now ; as for the Grid Latitude of the "4-minute stopover" of the
Phoenix Flyover of 03-13-97: 33 (deg)  x  29 (min)  x  41.25
(sec)=39476.25

This is our "approximation". Again; from studying this matrix
for several years, I can recognize important encoded
information, such as the mathematical constant of Pi .... the
ratio of the circumference to the diameter of any true circle or
sphere. The "base-10 system" is another encoded component of
this deeply-ancient matrix. Our precise Grid Latitude :

33 (deg)  x  29 (min)  x  41.252265 (sec)=39478.4176  North
=
(2Pi) Squared  x  1000

To get the Grid Point Value ... the point of "intersection" ...
we take the ratio of Grid Longitude to Grid Latitude ... always
larger-over-smaller:

103680  /  39478.4176=2.62624508 =0.65656127  x  4

You might be wondering, now, what the figure 0.65656127 means.

This is a 'base-ten harmonic' of 656.56127 ... which is
precisely equal to an arrangement of 4 (there's that 4 again)
elements or 'factors' which are all very important in "our"
geometry and number system :

 656.56127=(360  x  Radian deg)  /  (10  x  Pi)
 =Grid Point Value of "The Face on Mars" @ Cydonia
[see work of C.P. Munck and work of M.L.Morton]


Michael Lawrence Morton
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              Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:10:04 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:39:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special


>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:03 -0700

>The object "executed eight perfect tight circle maneuvers."
>Could you hazard a ball-park guess as to the diameter of these
>circles?  Maybe closer to ten full moons than three?  Roughly
>how long did it take to complete each one?

>Aside from the South Bay in the winter of '81, are you aware of
>any other UFO reports of objects that appeared or behaved
>similar to this one?

Paul Hill reported some similar manuvers and was able to
calculate some acceleration numbers, because he had a
triangulation. Kal doesn't have a triangulation, but a range of
distances could be used to perform those calculations.
Unfortunately, Kal didn't answer me either when I asked about
those very characteristics.

Good luck!

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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:44:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
in unscrupulous ways.

And citing Bruce Cathie! The guy who believed that UFOs were
placing special antennas on structures all over the place to use as
part of their navigation systems!

And no, I'm not going to spend time on discussing the reasons why
this kind of stuff is a sheer waste of time. I'd have to take my current
latitude and multiply it by 3.14159 and square the result, adding it
to the relative geocentric latitude of the Great Pyramid so that I can
find that it is divisible by four and then realize that I am, indeed,
right where I am. Then I'd have to put on my foil hat to protect
myself from alien death rays, because this is not something they
want us to know.... well, you get the picture.

How about using math for something with a demonstrable connection
to physical reality?

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               Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:14:14 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:01 +0200
>Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

>"If they have any mysterious cobwebs, they can place it in a
>plastic bag and post it to us. Even if it appears to
>disintegrate, we may be able to pick up traces."

They need to be placed in an airtight jar and preferably
refrigerated.

> Anyone with Comments please contribute..

I wish someone had the presence of mind shown by the witnesses to
angel hair at Oloron and that someone had put samples in a sealed
container.

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                        Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:16:26 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:48:13 -0400
Subject: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


Hi List,

Sounds like a bona-fide case of angel hair occured in Quirindi,
AU, this past Monday. (10 Aug) NSW is no stranger to angel hair;
Bill Chalker has personally held it, and had it sublimate in his
hand. (I envy you, Bill. I've tried for years to gather some.)

http://www.ufomind.com/catalog/o/ozfiles/introduction.shtml
(Scroll down to "Manna Matters," there is a better account at
http://www.iufog.org/project1947/forum/bcangel.htm  but as of
posting, this was a bad link)

Also, just like the French cases in Oct. '52, (Especially Tarn)
and the Witsett, North Carolina, case in Oct. '55, we have
multiple silvery objects darting about. In North Carolina, one
witness was a former observer in the U.S. Navy. I personally
interviewed him several years ago. He stated that he saw around
10 "silvery balls" moving erratically about the sky. Angel hair
fell covering a field and phone lines. The covering of phone and
power lines, fences, trees, and the like are classic angel hair-
as is the sublimation of it in a short time.  A witness in
Quirindi stated "we saw about 20 silvery baubles in the
sky...When some of them manoeuvered and increased speed this
cobweb like substance started to drop to the ground. Some of it
got caught on the telephone lines." And according to the
Tamworth North Daily Leader, "When she tried to pick it up it
disintegrated in her hand."

After several decades of a modicum of AH cases, this seems to be
changing:

March 27, 1997, Billings OK: "Diamond-shaped object" left trail
of odd strands. "I tried to touch some, but when I did, it
evaporated." (UFO ROUNDUP, v.2 no.28)

September 21, 1997, Santa Cruz, CA: "Translucent fibrous
substance...3 foot strands" (S.F. Chronicle, 9/22/97)

And now, Australia once again. So we have new witnesses to an
extremely rare event that may not have even been aware of the
phenomenon of angel hair, reporting the exact same thing others
have reported for centuries. I doubt seriously that mass media
would account for the generation of these cases since they are
so few and far between. There is no longer any doubt that this
is a real phenomenon, and one worthy of scientific study.

A call for help: scientists, chemists, and other learned
individuals: As you may know, this material does not evaporate,
it sublimates, and therefore phase diagrams would be of use to
determine what this substance is. I would also assume that its
vapour pressure would have to be above 1atm at ~standard day,
and triple point who knows where. The big problem is, of course,
since it does sublimate, very little has ever been tested. Any
advice or info is welcome, from anyone. And of course, if anyone
has an analysis, such as GC, SEM, or FTIR, or angel hair for
analysis, please don't hesitate to email. There is pay-dirt here
for both the ufologists and the scientists.

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                       Bill Cooper on Art Bell's "bs"

From: Don Allen <dona@totcon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:57:57 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:56:28 -0400
Subject: Bill Cooper on Art Bell's "bs"

Ok, so I admit this gave me a chuckle when I came across it
today. Still, it's ironic that Wild Bill would question
someone's sanity for listening to Art Bell when UFO Magazine has
had a RealAudio of Cooper's rants for some time. Does Cooper
honestly think his bilge is more credible than Rushed Limbag?

Don

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Art "Bullshit" Bell
by William Cooper

We never listen to radio around here... we just don't have time.
Last night, Tuesday, August 11, 1998, I received a call from
Pete Morgan who told me a relative of the great Patriot Cleon
Skouson had been a guest on the Art Bell show. Pete asked me to
listen to Art Bell that evening. I told him that while I admired
the work of Cleon Skouson I had to question Pete's sanity if he
gave Art Bell any credibility whatsoever. Pete insisted that I
listen to Art Bell. We did.

Sometime between 10 P.M. and 11 P.M. Arizona time someone called
and recommended he have "Bill Cooper" as a guest. Bell replied,
"never," and went on to say that "Bill Cooper" had called him
during his Las Vegas radio show years ago yelling and
threatening to sue because his name had been mentioned on his
show. I like to fell out of my chair. Everyone sitting around
the table was dumbfounded.

A few minutes later a man called stating, "Hey Art remember the
call you said you received from Bill Cooper... well that was
me." Art seemed flustered and said he didn't remember who it
was, but that (and here he changed his story), "Bill Cooper
called me AFTER THE SHOW one night ranting and yelling and I
don't like that kind of behavior." Gee... he must have
remembered that all his shows are on tape.

I have never lived in Las Vegas, have never known anything about
an "Art Bell" show in Las Vegas, never called Art Bell in Las
Vegas or anywhere else where he may have been in my entire life.
I have been in Las Vegas overnight on several occasions but I
guarantee you that I was NOT listening to radio nor was I
calling Art Bell. We usually spent the evenings when in Las
Vegas at the home of John Lear (years ago) or with my good
friend Lou Epton over a delicious dinner at one of the many good
restaurants around town after which and sometimes late into the
night Annie and I would attend a show or try our hand at some
low stake gambling.

I have listened to Art Bell late at night when I was required to
drive all night to be at a speaking or other engagement over the
last several years. In fact it is the only time I listen to
radio. While traveling I have also listened to Rush Limbaugh, G.
Gordon Liddy and an old acquaintance from KFI in L.A. named Tom
Leicus (Sp?).

During one of these trips I heard a caller ask Art Bell if he
was a Freemason at about 2:30 one morning and Bell replied,
"Yes, are you a fellow traveler?" The term, "fellow traveler" is
a term used by extreme left socialists and communists to
identify each other.

I also noticed that Bell is a shill for the New World Order
which is confirmed in his book "The Quickening".

Old Art has a propensity to tell lies, misinform, and
intentionally mislead his audience into chasing rainbows,
aliens, UFOs, bigfoots, cities on Mars, ghosts, voices from hell
in a well dug in Siberia, and many other loony toon subjects in
order that his audience is always lost in woo woo land so that
they will not know or address the real enemy or problems that
face us. About 95% of all subjects and quests on his show are
frauds, fantasies, fakes, con-artists, and escaped mental
patients pedaling bullshit by the barrel.

Because of all of these facts I took to calling him Art
"Bullshit" Bell" on the radio while on the air. I also nailed
him as a shill for the New World Order and a socialist in
MAJESTYTWELVE on this website. I know for a fact that he has
repeatedly visited our website because his visits are
automatically registered by the statistics program provided by
the server.

World government means the complete destruction of the
sovereignty of the United States of America and its
Constitution. Anyone who supports such a notion is a TRAITOR.
Bell also ridicules anyone and everyone who attempts to steer
you in the right direction, identify the REAL enemy, and stir
you to valid and meaningful action.

The fact that I have "outed" this TRAITOR is most probably the
reason he told the bold faced lie last night (August 11, 1998)
during his broadcast. Art Bell is a socialist, a Freemason, a
shill for the artificial alien threat, a shill for world
socialist totalitarian government.

His book "The Quickening" is one of the most blatant, in your
face, pieces of new world order propaganda shamelessly
advocating the formation of a world totalitarian socialist
government that I have ever seen. Buy it, read it, recognize it
for what it is, and then send it back to Art BULLSHIT Bell as an
indictment of his TREASON... and don't hesitate to call his show
and tell him exactly what you think of him and his proposed
world government.

Art BULLSHIT Bell is successful because he speaks only to and
for SHEOPLE... those who cannot, and do not ever think for
themselves. His audience is in the same category as Rush
Limbaugh's "Ditto Heads". If any of these whackos ever really
listened to Art BULLSHIT Bell and had the capability to put 2
and 2 together they would hang this subversive from the highest
Elm tree in the nation. Art BULLSHIT Bell is a Judas Goat.

On top of all that I still cannot figure out why Pete Morgan
wanted me to listen to him unless it was Pete who called in to
recommend me as a guest.

William Cooper

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From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:20:38 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:25:55 -0400
Subject: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage


Hello people,

We've been asked this several times now, and allthough no one here is a
real HTML-wizz kid, we finaly did it: A.U.R.A.'s homepage is realized!
Allthough we still will be continiously be under construction, it's
possible to visit A.U.R.A.

http://members.tripod.com/~A_U_R_A

We of course always are glad to recieve advices or tips on how to
improve.


With Kind Regards,

Abduction & Ufo Research Association
Nijmegen
The Netherlands
aura@telekabel2.nl

PS: JV, if your reading this, thanx for the IF-button, but, um,
    would you mind telling me how to use it...(Yeah I know :o))

Thanx,

Andy.





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                Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:30:17 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:18:30 -0400
Subject: Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen

I have translated the newspaper article below from Jan-H. Raabe's
German original, which follows towards the end. His e-mail was sent to
the German newsgroup "de.alt.ufo" on August 13.

Stig

*******

From: y0001095@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Jan-H. Raabe)
Newsgroups: de.alt.ufo
Subject: Dreieck in Frankreich
Date: 13 Aug 1998 19:13:34 GMT

The return of the Triangles :-)

nordwestnet, 'Freie Presse', Westfael. Nachrichten August 13,
1998.

Frenchmen observed "triangular UFO"

Charleville Mezieres (dpa) - At the beginning of the week
approximately 150 Frenchmen claimed to have seen a triangular
unidentified flying object (UFO) over the Ardennes.

The triangular object was observed in the region between Sedan
and Carignan, doing unusual flight maneuvers, the regional
director/conductor of the French UFO research center, Jean Luc
Lemaire, stated on Thursday.

"It was sighted on Monday night, first in large height,
afterwards in a sinking phase above Charleville-Mezieres, before
it made some sort of investigation flights over approximately 30
localities in the neighbourhood of Sedan", Lemaire said.

In his opinion neither a combat aircraft dressed in a "cloak of
invisibility" ("Stealth-Fighter") nor a meteorite could have
been involved, as the flights were executed in low height, and
the UFO was sighted flying horizontally. The UFO's low
generation of noise excludes airplanes or helicopters of
hitherto known design, and made a lot of people curious. French
radio and the tv-station France 2 told of the phenomenon, too,
on Thursday.


*******


This is Jan-H. Raabe's original text:


***


The return of the Triangles :-)


nordwestnet, 'Freie Presse', Westfael. Nachichten
vom 13.8.1998

(Ist das jetzt schon 'n hype ? :-)


Franzosen beobachteten =ABdreieckiges Ufo=BB


Charleville-Mezieres (dpa)- Ein dreieckiges Unbekanntes
Flugobjekt (Ufo) wollen rund 150 Franzosen Anfang der Woche =FCber
den Ardennen gesehen haben.

Das dreieckige Gebilde sei in der Region zwischen Sedan und
Carignan bei ungew=F6hnlichen Flugman=F6vern beobachtet worden,
erkl=E4rte am Donnerstag der regionale Leiter des franz=F6sischen
Ufo-Forschungszentrums, Jean-Luc Lemaire.

=ABEs ist in der Nacht von Montag auf Dienstag zun=E4chst in gro=DFer
H=F6he, danach in einer Sinkphase oberhalb von
Charleville-Mezieres gesichtet worden, bevor es eine Art
Erkundungsfl=FCge =FCber rund 30 Ortschaften in der Umgebung von
Sedan machte=BB, sagte Lemaire.

Seiner Ansicht nach kann es sich wegen der in niedriger H=F6he
ausgef=FChrten Rundfl=FCge weder um ein sogenanntes Tarnkappen-
Kampfflugzeug (=ABStealth-Fighter=BB) noch einen Meteoriten
gehandelt haben, da das Ufo horizontal fliegend gesichtet worden
sei. Auch Flugzeuge oder Helikopter bisher bekannter Bauart
schieden wegen der dumpfen Ger=E4uschentwicklung des Ufos aus, das
viele Menschen neugierig gemacht hatte. Auch der franz=F6sische
Rundfunk und der Fernsehsender France 2 berichteten am
Donnerstag =FCber das Ph=E4nomen.





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                     Mars Meteorite Has No Sign of Life

From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:49:24 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:21:51 -0400
Subject: Mars Meteorite Has No Sign of Life


Mars Meteorite Has No Sign of Life

New Study Refutes 1996 Stunner
By KELLY P. KISSEL
.c The Associated Press


LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (Aug. 14) - Scientists were mistaken when they
thought a rock in Antarctica contained evidence suggesting life
on Mars, according to three papers in a journal about meteors.

One article to be published today in Meteoritics and Planetary
Science at the University of Arkansas says non-Martian rocks
showed the same "evidence" of life. The other articles say
temperatures were too high for tiny bacteria to form and leave
organic evidence in the nooks and crannies of the 4.5
billion-year-old, potato-sized rock in Antarctica.

In 1996, 15 researchers reported that crevices in a meteorite
named Allan Hills 84001 contained organic molecules called
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs. Also present were
magnetite and iron sulfide, chemicals that can be related to
bacterial action.

Highly magnified pieces of the meteorite also revealed what
appeared to be the fossils of "filamentous bacteria."

"If these are really Martian in origin and they are biological,
the first test would be if there are similar objects on lunar
meteorites," said Derek Sears, the journal's editor. The lunar
meteorites shouldn't have the same objects because there's no
life on the moon, Sears said.

"Within an hour of looking at the lunar meteorites, we knew,"
Sears said. "We found objects on the lunar meteorites that we
cannot distinguish from the Martian meteorites."

The initial researchers said the PAHs were in a solution that
oozed into the rock's cracks - at low temperatures - after the
rock was formed.

However, Ed Scott of the University of Hawaii said, evidence
showed that the carbonate materials were present when the rock
was created and, as either a vapor or a very hot fluid, became
integrated with the rock before it cooled.

A study led by John Bradley of MVA Inc. of Norcross, Ga., also
concluded that iron oxide crystals found in the Martian
meteorite also would have formed at temperatures too high to
support life. Similar crystals have been found in volcanoes on
Earth, and their formation has been attributed to condensation
at temperatures eight times higher than that of boiling water.

Allan Hills 84001 is the oldest of 12 known meteorites that are
thought to have been jolted from Mars by a massive impact and
left drifting in space until they fell to Earth. The rock is
thought to have been knocked from the Martian surface with a
glancing blow about 15 million years ago and then landed on the
Antarctic ice sheet about 13,000 years ago. It was discovered in
1984.

AP-NY-08-14-98 0320EDT

Copyright 1998 The Associated Press.


UFOSEEK Commentary:

In view of the recent photographs taken at Cydonia, indications
of the very real possibility that there was once "intelligent"
life there on Mars, perhaps a civilization, is more worthy of
further study and serious consideration than a meteorite with
"alleged" bacteria found not on Mars, but on Earth.

If a study were done on NASA's Administrative Heads, I'm sure we
would find nothing but rocks inside them. But we should not even
waste any money on such a study because if we found rocks there,
they would surely be empty!


The Editor

http://members.aol.com/ufoseek/





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                         Re: 'Resolving Rendlesham'

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:23:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:17:52 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Resolving Rendlesham'


>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:11:35 -0400
>From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>Subject: 'Resolving Rendlesham'
>To: UFO UpDates <updates@globalserve.net>


>An update on developments in the 'Rendlesham Forest' case,
>summarised in a report entitled, 'Resolving Rendlesham: New
>Insights and Past Claims Examined', has now been published on my
>web site at URL:

>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pulsar/rend2.htm

>The report covers a number of issues, including:

>A response to relevant points raised by Jenny Randles in her
>recent article.

>Burroughs' unequivocal denial that a 'craft' was ever seen by
>Cabansag, Penniston or himself.

>The origin witness statements and the question of evidence being
>withheld.

>From an important conference given by Col. Halt on the Microsoft
>Network's 'UFO Forum' under the auspices of 'Project:
>watchfire':

>- For the first time, Halt explains the astonishing reason why
>the dates in his memo to the Ministry of Defence (MoD) were
>perhaps incorrect [they are] and why he had on occasions given
>various dates for both incidents

>- The possible implications when the MoD investigated Halt's
>claims

>- Also for the first time, Halt's detailed explanation of the
>perspective which led him to believe the Orford Ness lighthouse
>was visible and unconnected to the unidentified light near the
>farmers house

>- Why Halt may inadvertently be proving that his location for
>the lighthouse was in fact where the Shipwash lightship's beam
>could be seen and that the 'unidentified light' was exactly
>where the lighthouse is located

>- Halt clarifies his opinion re the size of the 'object' which
>appeared to be 'dripping molten metal', etc. This could be a
>shock for some!

>- Why that revelation removes a major obstacle to Halt having
>been deceived by the lighthouse beacon

>- Halt's detailed description of the 'glowing' farmer's house
>and how that significantly differs from Burroughs, Cabansag and
>Penniston's explanation for the 'glowing' effect.

>Why Jenny Randles' most important 'radar corroboration' witness
>has long denied his story relates to the 'Rendlesham forest'
>case.

>The logical dilemma posed by claims that 'ground indentations'
>and a 'hole in the tree canopy' were 'trace evidence'.

>Sightings of 'strange flashing red lights' within Rendlesham
>forest and how their origins have been proven.

>Science writer Ian Ridpath's recent exhaustive explanation to
>Nick Pope of why the 'radiation readings' were of no
>consequence.

>The Cosmos 749 Soviet satellite recovery theory and why it is
>baseless.

>The report contains considerable new insight into the story and
>although some of the data may have been mentioned previously,
>most of it will be largely, if not entirely, unfamiliar,
>especially the revealing outcomes from the 'Project: watchfire'
>conference.

>The published report contains additional material for
>information, including photographs and maps of the area.

>I can't recall seeing an 'official' map published before which
>clearly sets out where the lighthouse and lightship _were_
>actually located in relation to the forest and 'landing site'
>etc.

>The issues which need to be, and I'm sure can be, conclusively
>resolved are hopefully now infinitely clearer, especially minus
>the confusion which resulted from Larry Warren's popularised and
>distracting claims.

>If any subscribers can help further the investigation of this
>case by providing contact details for Halt or Penniston, please
>let me know via private mail.

>James. E-mail: pulsar@compuserve.com

James --

This is a truly excellent piece of research and deduction.  Would that all
UFO investigative reports were as thorough.

Brian





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                     Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:51 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:08:27 -0400
Subject: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

The following news story piqued my interest.

(excerpts from http://www.newspage.com)

===

"Illinois has moved to discipline a prominent psychiatrist
accused of convincing a patient that she was a cannibal who ate
human flesh meatloaf, a child molester and the high priestess of
a satanic cult."

"Depressed after the birth of her second son, Patricia Burgus
sought therapy from Dr. Bennett Braun. Burgus says the doctor,
through repressed-memory therapy, led her to believe she
possessed 300 personalities, ate meatloaf of human flesh,
sexually abused her children, and served in the cult."

...

"She said she was given sedative, hypnotic and psychotic drugs
in inappropriate doses. She was frequently hypnotized and
sometimes restrained with leather straps to stimulate abuse
memories, her lawsuit
said."

===

UFO investigators and analysts are rightly concerned about the
degree to which psychological treatment or abuse could be
responsible for abduction memories, especially when hypnosis has
been used by non-professionals.

In this case, we have the alleged use of hypnosis, drugs, and
other techniques by a psychiatric professional, which supposedly
led to the generation of false memories of an extensive nature,
and which were, at least for some time, accepted by the subject
as real. If true, there are a number of questions raised:

(Note that the following comments and questions are not meant to
apply to all abduction claimants. However, they do apply to the
(unknown) percentage of such claimants who have actually had a
purely psychological experience, either self-induced, induced as
a result of a perceived real (non-abduction) UFO experience, or
induced by the actions of persons performing hypnosis either as
a result of a reported UFO or abduction experience.)

A battery of techniques in a hospital setting were required to
attain these results. Despite that, the patient eventually came
to her senses, and, in her words "I began to add a few things up
and realized there was no way I could come from a little town in
Iowa, be eating 2,000 people a year, and nobody said anything
about it."

a) What does this indicate about the potential for abuse by
non-professionals without use of drugs in a non-controlled
setting? Is it greater or less than we typically fear?

b) Is it the non-confirmable nature of the abduction experience
which prevents what I will call "psychological abductees" from
coming to similar conclusions? Or is this, at root, a desired
experience, similar to Munchausen, where the victim desires the
attention generated by victimhood, even if that attention is
provided only by one or a few investigators? Or do such
"psychological abductees" in fact "come to their senses", and
such reports are simply not reported in the popular literature?

I'd be interested in feedback from persons involved in abduction
research.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
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                Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:31:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth


>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers and the final truth about flying discs!.
>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:36:19 +0100


>Dear All,

>I read with interest ex-CIA man Karl Pflocks' fascinating and
>typically lucid article entitled "For Your Eyes Only" featured
>in the new issue of Fortean Times, FT114 - September 1998,
>pp.34-38.>

>It seems to me that the UFO debate is only allowed to exist
>within certain parameters whereby;>

>On the one hand the 'believers' believe that an ET craft crashed
>at Roswell and others perhaps crashed elsewhere and that
>subsequently the material and or bodies were taken to a
>classified location for testing and evaluation.

>On the other hand the skeptics argue, through an examination of
>declassified documents and by pointing out the sometimes obvious
>inconsistencies in witness statements, that no flying saucers
>crashed. They often further conclude that there are therefore no
>saucers, period..

>This dead end debate fails to consider the strong possibility
>(or reality in my opinion) that the US military was engaged in
>the construction of a number of flying disc-type aircraft -
>technically speaking these were only UFOs to the uninformed
>observer and were in fact low aspect ratio aircraft - from 1946
>onwards..

>I fully recognise that the skeptics and believers are not
>prepared to admit to this and as a result both myself and the
>few aviation researchers - not Ufologists - who research this
>area of interest plow a rather lonely furrow. >

>Firstly, there is no doubt that one element of the reality
>behind low aspect ratio aircraft is German in origin. The work
>of Alexander Lippisch, the Horten Brothers, Gunter Boch, Walter
>Dornberger, Von Braun, Dr. Richard Walter Miethe and others was
>way ahead of the allies.

It would appear that to Tim Matthews the evidence that wind
tunnel tests were carried out on *models" can be used to argue
that full scale operational disclike craft made by the USA or
perhaps Russia (0r both) were flying around in 1947 and ever
afterward.

He cites General Schulgen's document which indicates that a high
speed circular craft...or "low aspect"  *could be made*. But now
comes "dueling documents". In a letter to the FBI Gen. Schulgen
said he had checked with military aircraft research and there
were no projects that could give rise to saucer reports
(Schulgen, 5 Sep 1947; in FBI file). The bottom line is and
always has been that if the witnesses were reasonably
accurate....and Matthews assumes they mus be, else how would it
be possible to identify what they saw as disclike
aircraft....then these things were capable of dynamic activity
far exceeding anything we had.

Note: in the Intelligence Collection Document generated at
Wright Field and then promulgated by Schulgen it is stated that
one of the characteristics of these saucers is "the ability to
appear without warning as if from an extremely high altitude"
and another is "the ability to quickly disappear as if byhigh
speed or complete disintegration." Kenneth Arnold's sighting is
the first for which a reasonably reliable speed estimate is
possible... 1700 mph. Not even a conventional jet could go that
fast until the 1950's.

I appreciate Mr. Matthews willingness to look into documents and
he cites one I hadn't seen (June, 1948). Perhaps it he read my
book (THE UFO/FBI CONNECTION/ contact me for information) he
would get even further ideas and information to check on.






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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:47:33 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:38:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998
To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
From: Jeroen Jansen <jj4747@dds.nl>
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 01:40:55 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>The question then is what's the basis of your conviction?

>What are your points for your convictions then? A Meier-groupie
>told me so? That sounds REAL scientific Jeroen..

You accuse me of believing in all sorts of claims by Meier and
FIGU. Apparently you assume that I'm convinced of the reality of
the Meier case. As I've stated in a previous posting to the list
(some time back) that's not true. On the other I also don't take
Korff's claims automatically for granted and like to hear both
sides of the story. I might add here that I'm also not convinced
of the scenario that alien piloted vehicles are visiting Earth.
I probably will only be convinced of that if I see it myself.
(Hier is de Hollandse nuchterheid :-)

My reasoning regarding the Meier case:

The indirect UFO evidence seems to indicate that for 50 years
now, we on Earth have been visited by what appears to be
intelligent guided craft which were not built on Earth.
However, the indirect data also indicates that if some UFOs are
visitors from other stars then the intelligence behind them
doesn't want open contact, otherwise they would have done that
in the past 50 years or earlier and provided us with direct
evidence.

Logic leads me to the conclusion that it's not very probable
that the whole cumulation of indirect evidence in the Meier case
is the result of hoax. With the cumulation of indirect evidence
I mean his + 330 photos, the video and film footage, the sound
recordings, the metals samples, the landing tracks, the
literature he produced like for example thee Talmud Jmmanuel
document, and most important the at least 33 persons in the
Meier case who claim to have seen UFOs and other phenomena
associated with his contacts. Some of these people have also
taken UFO photos and one reportedly took 8 mm film footage.

The indirect hoax evidence presented so far by Korff etc.
doesn't even come close to providing good detailed explanations
for the above mentioned aspects. There really is no valid reason
for eliminating a priori a scenario in which for example the
intelligence behind the UFOs is using Meier to promote certain
concepts and philosophies here on Earth. Examples of the latter
are those warnings against overpulation, religious fanatism and
global warming. And in such a scenario they have provided Meier
with controversial indirect evidence which will attract the
attention of many around the planet, but at the same time won't
prove the ETH, as is the case with all the UFO evidence.

>>>Our dear collegue Bruce Maccabee did great research on a
>>>Meier-film in, 94 or '95 I suppose it was and _proved_ it to be
>>>a model attached to some strings. Why should Meier get the
>>>benefit of the doubt given to him by Jim Deardorff or Jeroen
>>>Janssen?

>>What he did was making a case for the hoax hypothesis.
>>Presenting evidence, no scientific proof.

>In any court someone with enough bodies of evidence _against_
>that person would be convicted. Simply because after adding all
>the evidence up it turns in to indirect _proof_. Maccabee's
>research was merely a part of the puzzle.

But it's in the philosophy of science not to convict anybody
before acquiring direct evidence. We're not in court here.

>>>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>>>excuse Meier came up with?

>>Again it's evidence for a hoax, but doesn't prove hoaxing by
>>Meier, other possibilities remain open, like alien
>>disinformation hypothesis, should also always be kept in mind.

>Aliens, I thought the MiB did it !?!?

>Why would the aliens pose for a picture (reflecting the
>tv-screen, LMAO) and afterwards replace them by fakes? What's
>the use of taking the picture then??? Besides that Meier claimed
>it was the MiB who did it.

Of course I don't deny the possibility they may have been
hoaxed, but again, for the reasons already pointed out in this
posting, one shouldn't eliminate a priori other possibilities.

>>>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

>>Yes, it stands in my garden now. :-) There certainly is indirect
>>evidence that a tree once stood there Stevens on p. 49 of his
>>book _UFO contact from the Pleiades: a _Preliminary Ivestigation
>>Report_ states that an acquaintance of Meier upon seeing the
>>developed pictures of the 9 July, Fuchsb=FCel am Hofhalden
>>sequence, located  the exact spots from which the pictures were
>>taken. "He found that the grass here was 20 to 30 centimeters
>>higher than the other grass around."

>Since when does higher grass indicate there was a tree ones? I
>would be curious to know!

The idea here is that, the grass close to the tree stem was
missed,while cutting the meadow grass, and then after the tree
had disappeared, there was higher grass at the spot where the
tree once stood.

>>But also consider that two persons claim to have seen this tree.

>Yes, many people have claimed they've seen Elvis too...two
>witnesses isn't too covincing, now is it?

Yes, but on the other hand there's a possibility that these
witnesses are telling the truth. This is just one those many
examples of indirect positive evidence.

>>But can you be more specific about how then these photos were
>>hoaxed? A model tree?

>I didn't make them too, Jeroen, ask Billy :-)

You are the one who's so sure about these 11 photos having been
hoaxed, so you should at least come with some argumentation.
Saying that they have been hoaxed because they have been hoaxed
isn't very convincing argumentation (understatement).

>>>Remember even his wife saying it'a all a hoax. (Ever since the
>>>'70s! Meier claims so himself!)

>>She was several times a member of a group of people who had a
>>UFO sighting. So there's a multiple witness aspect to keep in
>>mind.

>I had multiple witness sightings too, but none of the people
>present at that time believe for JUST ONE SECOND that Meier is
>for real. Guess that goes for Kaliope too...

I find this quite an irrational argument. What I mean here is,
as anyone should know who has studied the Meier case data, is
that she reportedly was one of those people who has followed
Meier close to the alleged contact cites and then more then once
had a UFO sighting. Although Kalliope's now denies having seen
anything during such events, others present during such events
claim that they together with Kalliope had a UFO sighting.
Another example of indirect positive evidence.

>>>Remember Meier was seen purchasing helium several times.

>>Can you list more details about this. Source? etc.

>I'll look it up for you and send it to you.

Thanks in advance.

>>>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

>>Was the jpg  from the FIGU site really the source material for
>>this analysis ?

>Haha, this is _so_ typical, first they complain that others
>might have manipulated the pictures now this...

>Well, if that's all that it takes to determine _clear_
>cut-and-paste edges while they're trying to pass'em for real,
>what more would you want???

Of course one needs the analyze the original diapositive before
one can safely conclude that it really is a cut and paste. You
need to now more about the history of the jpg posted on the site
by FIGU.

>>>Etc., etc., etc.

>>>The list above makes you wonder why Meier is still an issue...
>>>Maybe we should accept Rael as truthfull as well, or maybe the
>>>Heaven's Gate cult was right also...

>>>A surprised and wonderin'

>>There's much UFO data in this case which is simply being ignored
>>by most UFO researchers, that data shows that the hoax
>>hypothesis is much more complicated. That data may have
>>important consequences for the ETH. It indicates that "they may
>>be playing games with us." And You only have to study the
>>available Meier case literature to find this out. By doing that
>>you will also find out how 'scientific and unbiased' Korff's
>>work really is.

>What makes you think I didn't?

See my comments about Kalliope in this posting.

>The more Meier material one reads the more it becomes obvious
>the man's a cult leader making a good living of the ones naieve
>enough to believe his BS!

Well, that your opinion.

Regards,

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              Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part 2)

From: Nikolay V. Subbotin <Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:24:20 +0600
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:03:13 -0400
Subject: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part 2)


Sorry for my bad English, I use electronic dictionary to
translate. More info you can found on

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/russianros.htm

and

http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf

on subject "Video/Audio" (russian language - interviev with Emil
Bachurin in RealAudio and some frames frome videointerviev).

Regards,
Nick


Nikolay Subbotin

GRAVE OF DEVIL
Almost fantastic history.

April, 1998

The helicopter has made a wide cautious circle above gorge and
slowly, being filled up on the right side, has gone downwards.
Breaking off blades a low bushy cloud, the machine was lowered
all below and below, trying to find on snow stones an equal
platform. The military three-colour colouring made by its well
appreciable in this black-and-white world.

The pilot has corrected a microphone and has turned back to the
passengers. The major in the form a borderland man has noded and
has waved a hand - "Here"! His companion which has buried a nose
in a porthole, has torn off a sight from ground, has pulled out
from a pocket the crumple leaf of a paper, something has
verified with a card and too has noded.

In a morning haze the gorge seemed. From unexpectedness the
pilot has rocked the heli-copter - on equal, as if an asphalt
platform, the Object laid. A big "dirigible balloon" more than
half-kilometre in length pulled down by explosion on two parts.

The major has looked on is satellite: "IS it it?"

The person about a paper in a hand again has noded: "It also is our
UFO!.."

* * *

 I did not see the Emil Bachurin almost two months, and his
visit to me home in the be-ginning of May was the perfect
unexpectedness. Almost from a threshold he has scalded me by
news: "Nikolay, I have visited on a place of accident a UFO!"
More than detective history, which has taken place before this
expedition deserves the separate large article. Nevertheless,
the Emil the helicopter an Air Force was possible to recover on
some hours and to see about what it up to it only heard from the
director of Kazakh branch a SAKKUFOn German Svechkov.

"Photos! Where photos?" - I have cried. Emil only distressful
has plashed by hands - "Photos has failed, the film is
completely lighted" This amazing effect resulting in delight a
UFO sceptics is known for ufologists, but from it is not easier
Again there are no proofs, only figure the Emil, on which he on
the double has outlined appearance of the device, and strange
burns on hands. I include a dictophone

* * *

 At 04.42 (local time) 28.08.1991 years the radar-tracking
station of tracking on a penin-sula Mangishlak has marked the
very large object which has appeared "anywhere" almost at
cen-tre of screens. Till a pinpoint the object had in length of
600 meters and diameter about 110 me-ters.

The object went some northwest of station above the Caspian Sea
from west on east in an echelon of 6600 meters with uniform
normal speed of 960 kms/hours. On inquiries: "Other -
an-other's" did not answer.

The experienced operators at once have suspected, that deal
about an URP - Unidentified Radar Point (not identified radar
target, i.e., probably, with a UFO).

In four minutes at 04.46 all of them have requested a cosmodrome
Kapustin Yar, whether the emergency off-schedule start something
is made there. From Kapustin of Yar at once have answered: "Is
not present, but our Radar System too observes this object".

As this information operatively is necessary has acted in a
staff of a Zakaspisky zone a Anti-Air Force, and to object were
directed: the part from two of Mig-29, taking place in patrol
flight to the south Shevchenko and one more part from two patrol
INSTANTS was lifted from air station ?.

To the pilots the battle task was put: to identify object, if it
is obvious a technogen - to put it on spare air station in ?.,
and in case of disobedience to open fire on a defeat and to
de-stroy. The settlement point of interception chose western
coast of the Aral Sea.

The meeting was held in the precisely designed time at 05.12.
The pilots observed object visually and on screens of radar=92s,
on a new series of inquiries: "Other - another's" and at a team
to be reduced and to go behind the conducting plane object did
not react in any way.

It looked as a huge dirigible balloon without any acting details
dimly shining on the sun, the surface, not covered by the sun,
looked as from sulphur non-rusties. In a head part from each
board of object settled down till two round "portholes" by a
diameter in 1/6 heights.

The object of any hostile actions did not undertake. The
commander of group has re-quested a staff and has offered to go
to two fighters on each side of object as it is possible closer
to give precautionary turns from guns parallel to its rate and
clutch thus to begin it to reduce. The plan was approved, and at
05.14 one part has carried out this evolution, by coming to
object on 800 meters from two parties. From such distance both
pilots had time (was in time) to consider certain green marks in
a tail part of a vessel.

Operations on interception of "dirigible balloon" was finished
very quickly. With attempt to open fire the systems of arms of
all fighters have given up, with the approach to object on
dis-tance of 600-500 meters the faults in work of engines have
begun, have mared all devices. Itself object, by making some
short zigzag evolutions in horizon and vertical, beginnings
promptly to increase speed up to 3.2, then 5.4 and 6800 kms /
hours for 2-3 minutes. The data of radar defini-tions of several
stations of tracking (Baikonur, Alma-Ata, Bishkek etc.)
coincide.

The prosecution was stopped as the object continued to go in a
general direction on east with small decrease to height of 4500
meters, through an air Alma-Ati zone. The dispatchers have
transferred the warning to all boards a Civic Air force and Air
Force about danger of collision with a huge UFO, but it did not
happen.

At 05.27 object has disappeared from a field of sight all a
Radar System at height 4400 in area of lake an Issik-Cool.

On it, in general, the usual ufology history, however, was not
finished.

At the end of September, 1991 in government a SAKKUFOn (Bishkek)
the information has acted, that in mountains, to the east
Prdzevalsk (nowadays Karakol) was suffered failure by a large
UFO. Our colleagues operatively have organised search group, and
it has set off to area of accident in a summit river Saris Dzas,
to a defile Shaitan Mazar (Grave of Devil). Pay, readers,
attention to this name! This concurrence hardly is casual! This
district long since used very bad glory at the local
inhabitants.

The first search group has carried out in mountains more than 15
days, but to pass to a place of accident could not, though was
completed with rather experienced rangers, including climbers.
In mountains the plentiful early snow-falls have passed to make
the way in this area through last pass it was not possible, and
with attempt of pass on a valley Saris Dzas the group has not
passed through avalanche-danger sites. October 21 they have
returned to Bishkek, some person had fine traumas and chilblain.
The director a SAKKUFOn Michael Eltchin supervised over group

Simultaneously with a SAKKUFOn and in its Kazakh branch the
closed information has acted officially, that with attempt of
removal and transportation of object from this area the
trans-port helicopter a Air Force was broke, there were human
victims

The SAKKUFOn researchers have begun carefully to prepare widely
scale expedition, which was begun in June 1992

On expedition there were three groups, which should vary in two
weeks of work in mountains. The participants knew about large
danger of a presence in immediate proximity of object, all of
them get special preparation and instructing, have given a
subscription that they (each) work absolutely voluntary. All
participants had good physical and moral - psychological
preparation, owned skills of mountain climbing, were the experts
in various fields of knowledge, psi-tech testings on
compatibility, adequacy to reaction in an extraordinary
situations and so on have passed

The expedition was equipped with devices, photo of cinema and
videoequipment, had good climbing equipment

The major in a resignation, director of Kazakh branch a SAKKUFOn
supervised over expedition German Svechkov,

The first group has arrived to a place of events 12.06.1992
years. Have begun from breakdown of base camp on an equal
platform in 2,5 kms a NORTH-NORTH-WEST from a place of accident
on northern slope an array, closing base from a point of a place
of influence a UFO

Already first reconnaissance for this array has given very much.
The object was " on a place "; the anonymous array is obvious in
the emergency condition, which has been broken off an asunder,
on a rather equal platform till other party

Most powerful amazing action of object at once was established.
On removal of 800 me-ters and closely has captured feeling of
fear, then and the depressions, slackness, weariness, hair rose
on a head upwards, though the electrometers fixed insignificant
"surpluses" of a static elec-tricity

Even more strange order magnet-meters and all other magnetic
devices

The track from base camp left on a pass in 1500 meters from
object, from this point it was well seen, and from here began to
have an effect its revolting influence. Already first at-tempts
to take from this point azimuth to a pinpoint on object have
given different gaugings by compasses of various designs

Two precision teodolites were taken with the purpose of
definition of the sizes of object by a method a pinpoint, but
also this invention nothing has left. So only devices appeared
in di-rect visibility of object on a crest an array or on its
southern slope on distance 1500, 1200 800 meters, their magnetic
arrows (pointers) instantly borrowed (occupied) a rule
(situation) "along object", showing a direction "north-south",
though the true rule (situation) of object was "west-east". Too
most occurred and to arrows (pointers) of compasses of all types
opposite to object (distance it). Was strange also that these
rules (situations) of an arrow (pointer) borrowed (occu-pied) in
steps,
without long fluctuations

Magnet-meters order even more strange. In a point of an output
(exit) of a track on a pass (base point of supervision "A") they
began to show almost complete absence of magnetic inten-sity
with very weak meaning (importance) of a vertical component
(10-12%) from background meaning (importance) vertical making
"to visibility" of object and from that meanings (impor-tance)
in area of base of expedition (base point of supervision "B")

The gradual realisation of magnithometric shooting has revealed
the form and character of anomaly created by object. On distance
of 800-820 meters from it the magnetic field com-pletely was
absent! Both on horizontal and on vertical components.
Absolutely anti-magnetic there were even samples a mountain
strain selected on distance 800-600-400 meters from object
(closer to it nobody approached (suited), the decision of the
members of expedition was those)

A question on what causes these anti-magnetic effect remains
opened, but it is doubtless, that on it it is necessary to spend
enormous quantity of energy. Completely non-magnetic in earthly
conditions such strains as a diorite, gabbro, rogovoobmankovy
piroksenit containing a plenty of magnetic minerals, including
the magnetite, is not obviously possible

Form of "antimagnetic" anomaly created by object, - correct
ellipse of length 2230 me-ters and width (through centre of
object) 1700 meters. The southern part of an ellipse is opened,
as in 400 meters from it to the south is to be gone in a valley
a brook

In first day of work of expedition the strong hronal (time)
anomaly was fixed also, which contours also ellipse, but the
sizes it are more and even pass through an array to northern
slope opposite to object, i.e. are distributed for limits of its
visual visibility

In a zone of radius 2-2,2 kms began to be marked backlog during
mechanical chronome-ters and delay (decrease) ((reduction)) of
number of fluctuations of quartz generators. All the electronic
hours, which have visited in a zone of direct visibility a UFO
on distance 1,5-1,2 kms, send out of operation (dump on " 0 ")
and were not restored outside of a zone of influence

The disorder in the indications of chronometers of the various
marks in thermostat boxes has made from a minus 34 minutes 20
seconds about 41 minutes 44,3 seconds for one day. The kit from
six mechanical hours in similar packing has given disorder of
backlog from a minus 20 hours 13 minutes 45 seconds till 21
o'clock 01 minutes 20 seconds for one day. The thermostats with
hours and chronometers settled down near to object on distance
approximately 450 meters from object

The second group of the researchers in one week has repeated
this experiment on other kit of hours and chronometers of the
same marks in the same point, by prolonging time of ex-periment
about 5 day with daily gaugings. The comparable results for the
first day are received, then the reduction of backlog of all
hours and chronometers was observed, but with certain
"cu-mulative" by effect, expressing in a gain backlogs only on
10-15 of % per day from size of backlog for the first day of
experiment

This result does not contradict the data of supervision on other
hronal anomalies formed a UFO: Belomorie, Podrezkovo, Zone an M,
Hodizensk

Attempts to carry out gaugings by two devices: the quartz
generator - frequency-meter in a zone of direct visibility of
object (distance of 800-850 meters) have resulted in failure of
all in-stallations. The block of a feed was for an array, all
posting carefully was checked up, installation ottarirovans and
thermostat on a place. All was made under the instruction

But, as soon as a feed was included, the generator in a zone has
burned down instantly, and the frequency-meter in a point of
supervision "had time (was in time) to jump out" for a minimum
of a scale of fluctuations and also has left out of operation

The detailed description of appearance of object I shall bring
little bit below, on the own data (20.04.98), what concerns the
reasons of accident, my opinion coincides with opinion of the
participants of expedition 1992.

The object on large speed has touched by the bottom part a
broadside for a ledge of rocky breeds in 1700 meters from the
present place of a presence. Then it already slided on a rather
equal, almost horizontal platform, but this - strong rocky
breeds. The explosion, resulted to break of object on two almost
equal parts, has taken place, most likely, after its stop or in
its moment.

The explosion has taken place inside a central part of a vessel,
to what the character of damages testifies. The plating and
longitudinal carrying details the frames of "dirigible balloon"
are literally turned out inside out, between fragments of a
vessel a superficial funnel distinctly is visible, and on its
edges the rather large pieces of rocky breeds, as from explosion
of a "superim-posed" charge are thrown out.

The dents and cracks on the case in a prow part of the ship are
received with collision with acting almost on 20 meters above an
equal platform yes rogovoobmankovy of a piroksenit, in which the
round deepening of width more than 20 meters and height at
centre of 4,5 meters is now observed. Behind this point (20
meters to east) begin a path of a trace of sliding of object on
a rocky surface of width more than 40 meters.

The cracks in the left board of a fodder part a broadside
located vertically at height ap-proximately 1/3 heights of the
case of "dirigible balloon", probably, are received with
collision (punching of a rock), but it is possible, that they
could be formed and with explosion of a vessel.

But strangest are symbols of green colour put on a tail part of
object and a ring of dark colour, surrounding to forage.
Probably, the rings are a part of impellent installation.

In a breach decks and carrying designs distinctly are visible.
Whether the landing "on-plane" in the given point in entered the
plans of crew a UFO or in the program of its onboard mate
computer? This question remain by a riddle, maybe, for ever.

 August, 1998

Almost three months we collected the additional information, searched
for money to ex-pedition, even ordered satellite photos a defile
Shaitan-Mazar. The most improbable hypotheses an event - from accident
of a dirigible balloon with the nuclear engine before unsuccessful start
of the scientific module of new international orbital station were put
forward.

Is collected backpack and equipment. The way is necessary
unclose, and Moscow Boing-747 in Almatis, further - Bishkek,
Prdzevalsk (Karakol) and, at last, - Grave of Devil (Shaitan
Mazar). A meeting with Unknown ahead waits=85

* * *

Detailed video interview to Emil Bachurin you can find on a
site of RUFORS (Russian UFO Research Station) "UFO: the latent
conspiracy" in Internet http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf in unit
"Video/Audio".







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                     Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:01:45 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:17:58 -0400
Subject: Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage


>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:20:38 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: A.U.R.A. is glad to announce their homepage!

>Hello people,

>We've been asked this several times now, and allthough no one here is a
>real HTML-wizz kid, we finaly did it: A.U.R.A.'s homepage is realized!
>Allthough we still will be continiously be under construction, it's
>possible to visit A.U.R.A.

I just looked at your new web pages. Very lovely and interesting!
You have used color very effectively -- never boring! Keep up the
good work!

James Bond Johnson

http://www.ufomind.com/people/j/johnsonj/James Bond Johnson





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                Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:55:26 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:42:51 -0400
Subject: Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen


>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 07:30:17 +0200
>Subject: Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen

>I have translated the newspaper article below from Jan-H. Raabe's
>German original, which follows towards the end. His e-mail was sent to
>the German newsgroup "de.alt.ufo" on August 13.

>Stig

>*******

>From: y0001095@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Jan-H. Raabe)
>Newsgroups: de.alt.ufo
>Subject: Dreieck in Frankreich
>Date: 13 Aug 1998 19:13:34 GMT

>The return of the Triangles :-)
>
>nordwestnet, 'Freie Presse', Westfael. Nachrichten August 13,
>1998.

>Frenchmen observed "triangular UFO"

>Charleville Mezieres (dpa) - At the beginning of the week
>approximately 150 Frenchmen claimed to have seen a triangular
>unidentified flying object (UFO) over the Ardennes.

>The triangular object was observed in the region between Sedan
>and Carignan, doing unusual flight maneuvers, the regional
>director/conductor of the French UFO research center, Jean Luc
>Lemaire, stated on Thursday.

>"It was sighted on Monday night, first in large height,
>afterwards in a sinking phase above Charleville-Mezieres, before
>it made some sort of investigation flights over approximately 30
>localities in the neighbourhood of Sedan", Lemaire said.

>In his opinion neither a combat aircraft dressed in a "cloak of
>invisibility" ("Stealth-Fighter") nor a meteorite could have
>been involved, as the flights were executed in low height, and
>the UFO was sighted flying horizontally. The UFO's low
>generation of noise excludes airplanes or helicopters of
>hitherto known design, and made a lot of people curious. French
>radio and the tv-station France 2 told of the phenomenon, too,
>on Thursday.

On what evidence or technical data does this guy make his
opinion that this wasn't military?

Must be 'cos he believers in aliens musn't it?






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                Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:54:03 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:35:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth


>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:20 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers and the final truth about flying
discs!.
>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:36:19 +0100

>>Dear All,

>>I read with interest ex-CIA man Karl Pflocks' fascinating and
>>typically lucid article entitled "For Your Eyes Only" featured
>>in the new issue of Fortean Times, FT114 - September 1998,
>>pp.34-38.>

>>It seems to me that the UFO debate is only allowed to exist
>>within certain parameters whereby;>

>>On the one hand the 'believers' believe that an ET craft crashed
>>at Roswell and others perhaps crashed elsewhere and that
>>subsequently the material and or bodies were taken to a
>>classified location for testing and evaluation.

>>On the other hand the skeptics argue, through an examination of
>>declassified documents and by pointing out the sometimes obvious
>>inconsistencies in witness statements, that no flying saucers
>>crashed. They often further conclude that there are therefore no
>>saucers, period..

>>This dead end debate fails to consider the strong possibility
>>(or reality in my opinion) that the US military was engaged in
>>the construction of a number of flying disc-type aircraft -
>>technically speaking these were only UFOs to the uninformed
>>observer and were in fact low aspect ratio aircraft - from 1946
>>onwards..

>>I fully recognise that the skeptics and believers are not
>>prepared to admit to this and as a result both myself and the
>>few aviation researchers - not Ufologists - who research this
>>area of interest plow a rather lonely furrow. >

>>Firstly, there is no doubt that one element of the reality
>>behind low aspect ratio aircraft is German in origin. The work
>>of Alexander Lippisch, the Horten Brothers, Gunter Boch, Walter
>>Dornberger, Von Braun, Dr. Richard Walter Miethe and others was
>>way ahead of the allies.

>It would appear that to Tim Matthews the evidence that wind
>tunnel tests were carried out on *models" can be used to argue
>that full scale operational disclike craft made by the USA or
>perhaps Russia (0r both) were flying around in 1947 and ever
>afterward.

The wind tunnel tests are certainly interesting but Bruce knows
as well as I do from my reply to the Pflock article that
disc-like objects were flying around in 1946 - and that's from
somebody who worked on the project.

Intel documents give clues - and that's all.

I note yet again the pain of the ETHers when they are faced with
some decent research.

>He cites General Schulgen's document which indicates that a high
>speed circular craft...or "low aspect"  *could be made*. But now
>comes "dueling documents". In a letter to the FBI Gen. Schulgen
>said he had checked with military aircraft research and there
>were no projects that could give rise to saucer reports
>(Schulgen, 5 Sep 1947; in FBI file). The bottom line is and
>always has been that if the witnesses were reasonably
>accurate....and Matthews assumes they mus be, else how would it
>be possible to identify what they saw as disclike
>aircraft....then these things were capable of dynamic activity
>far exceeding anything we had.

>Note: in the Intelligence Collection Document generated at
>Wright Field and then promulgated by Schulgen it is stated that
>one of the characteristics of these saucers is "the ability to
>appear without warning as if from an extremely high altitude"
>and another is "the ability to quickly disappear as if byhigh
>speed or complete disintegration." Kenneth Arnold's sighting is
>the first for which a reasonably reliable speed estimate is
>possible... 1700 mph. Not even a conventional jet could go that
>fast until the 1950's.

1700 mph is not entirely right either is it? Arnold was happy to
admit that he might have made errors in calculations that
reduced the supposed speed considerably.

Again, we have the ETHers using Arnolds sightings as evidence of
'impossible speeds'. Well, 1200 mph wouldn't surprise me back
then - especially not if a rocket was used.

(The German rockets certainly went that speed although they were
unmanned and not of the shape the Arnold suggested...)

I think it's very interesting that Arnold himself thought that
these were some new jet-powered weapon of US origin.

Much lower speeds - much less than 1,000 mph, were generally
quoted by airline pilots in other reports of similar low aspect
ratio aircraft sightings.

All the other reports I used in my first posting quote much
slower speeds and Richard Halls' 1964 "The UFO Evidence" seems
to be suggesting that so-called "UFO" speeds were higher than
the fastest ADMITTED military jets. This is exactly as I would
expect.

Wouldn't it be interesting if evidence was to emerge, and I
think it may do, that Mach 1 was broken long before Chuck Yeager
came along?

I also think that Arnolds' drawing of his 'flying saucer' - a
Horten flying wing - is interesting or does Bruce think that the
Hortens had recovered ET craft at the Gotha plant?


>I appreciate Mr. Matthews willingness to look into documents and
>he cites one I hadn't seen (June, 1948). Perhaps it he read my
>book (THE UFO/FBI CONNECTION/ contact me for information) he
>would get even further ideas and information to check on.

Can't get it over here I'm afraid.....

The only people still suggesting that witnesses were seeing
anything other, in most cases, than a range of LAR aircraft are
EThers.






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                               Trindade Island

From: Philippe Piet van Putten <abp1@uol.com.br>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:24:13 -0300
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:14:37 -0400
Subject: Trindade Island


Hello folks ! :o)

Trindade Island is 1200 km far from the coast of the
State of Espirito Santo, Brazil. It is the most isolated
spot belonging to brazilian territory.

The island is the upper part of an extinct volcano. It's base
is 5500 m deep in the ocean and has a diameter of 50 km.
No tourist is allowed to go there. Only scientists (biologists,
geologists etc.,) and reporters can set foot on the island
but with a special permission from the First Naval District
of the Brazilian Navy (Address: Praca Barao de Ladario s/n.,
3 andar - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brazil - Fax: 021-216.6104).

You need three days to reach the island and the sea
is not easy to navigate. The average temperature is 24 C.
No one lives on the island, except a few sailors and
members of the Brazilian Navy who stay there along
rounds of 120 days. No women are allowed.
Civilians working for the TAMAR Project (studying
sea turtles) usualy go there for research.

Before the famous photographs by Almiro Barauna
other UFO sightings took place on the Island.

I hope this helps

Philippe Piet van Putten
abp1@uol.com.br
brasil@uol.com.br
http://www.pufori.org/brasil





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             Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:06:34 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:07:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part


Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:24:20 +0600
From: Nikolay V. Subbotin <Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: Grave Of Devil. Expedition To Tian Shan (Part 2).

>Almost three months we collected the additional information, searched
>for money to ex-pedition, even ordered satellite photos a defile
>Shaitan-Mazar.
* * *

Have these satellite images been received yet?  Has
anyone else been able to confirm any anomalies in this
location via satellite imagery?

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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:37 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:07:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400

>>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
>in unscrupulous ways.

>And citing Bruce Cathie! The guy who believed that UFOs were
>placing special antennas on structures all over the place to use as
>part of their navigation systems!

>And no, I'm not going to spend time on discussing the reasons why
>this kind of stuff is a sheer waste of time. I'd have to take my current
>latitude and multiply it by 3.14159 and square the result, adding it
>to the relative geocentric latitude of the Great Pyramid so that I can
>find that it is divisible by four and then realize that I am, indeed,
>right where I am. Then I'd have to put on my foil hat to protect
>myself from alien death rays, because this is not something they
>want us to know.... well, you get the picture.

>How about using math for something with a demonstrable connection
>to physical reality?

>------
>Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
>http://www.temporaldoorway.com

from: Larry Hatch

Well said Mark! I was saving this one for a roast myself, but you
stole my thunder. As I was going thru Cathie's books Harmonic 33
and Harmonic 695 looking for sightings, I found one of his "grids"
displayed. Using a handful of sightings, Cathie managed to make
them align nicely .. but only by tilting the grid away from North-
South alignment by so many degrees .. in some lonely part of the
South Pacific.

Martin Gardner (no friend of ufology) in his excellent column
in Scientific American did a study of numerology, where somebody
had proven quite simply that those "methods" are sufficiently
versatile to "verify" ANY arbitrary group of numbers
whatsoever!

These could be the numbered streets having subway stops,  lotto
numbers ..  anything.

While not necessarily unscrupulous it is certainly dumb. It
isn't "math" in the proper sense .. its more like taking your
brains out and playing with them.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch






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               Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:20:19 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:00:40 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:14:14 -0400
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:00:01 +0200
>>Subject: Re: 'Mass UFO Spectacle' Near Quirindi, NSW, OZ

>>"If they have any mysterious cobwebs, they can place it in a
>>plastic bag and post it to us. Even if it appears to
>>disintegrate, we may be able to pick up traces."

>They need to be placed in an airtight jar and preferably
>refrigerated.

Mark, You make an excellent point. I actually have a "collection
kit" in my vehicle. This consists of 4 half pint unused mason
jars in a heavy duty freezer zip-lock, several pairs of unused
latex surgical gloves, and a disposable camera ready to shoot.
One thing I have not done is locate sources for cryogenic
storage. This stuff is so volatile, that it has been known to
sublimate in freezers. I would also suggest anyone collecting it
stuff the containers as full as possible. As it sublimates,
vapor pressure in the container increases, further slowing the
sublimation. For this reason, it is preferable that half pint or
smaller jars be used, then iced down as soon as possible. I know
some people would think this is overkill, but this may be what
it takes to get a good analysis done.

>> Anyone with Comments please contribute..

>I wish someone had the presence of mind shown by the witnesses to
>angel hair at Oloron and that someone had put samples in a sealed
>container.

Even sadder is what happened in St. Louis, Oct. 1969.
"Unfortunately, most of the material dissolved as it hit the
ground. Some that was retained and put under a microscope
resembled a spiderweb, but Pecsok is reluctant to make any great
claims because he could not get any local scientists to
investigate..." Tornados, Dark Days, Anomalous Precipitation,
And Related Weather Phenomena; Corliss, p.62





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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:31 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:23:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:16:26 -0400

>Hi List,

>Sounds like a bona-fide case of angel hair occured in Quirindi,
>AU, this past Monday. (10 Aug) NSW is no stranger to angel hair;
>Bill Chalker has personally held it, and had it sublimate in his
>hand. (I envy you, Bill. I've tried for years to gather some.)

>A call for help: scientists, chemists, and other learned
>individuals: As you may know, this material does not evaporate,
>it sublimates, and therefore phase diagrams would be of use to
>determine what this substance is. I would also assume that its
>vapour pressure would have to be above 1atm at ~standard day,
>and triple point who knows where. The big problem is, of course,
>since it does sublimate, very little has ever been tested. Any
>advice or info is welcome, from anyone. And of course, if anyone
>has an analysis, such as GC, SEM, or FTIR, or angel hair for
>analysis, please don't hesitate to email. There is pay-dirt here
>for both the ufologists and the scientists..

>Thanks, J. Brian Boldman

Regardless of how it gets there, this stuff evidently turns into
a gas at environmental temperatures. The only way to hang onto
it is to use sealed containers.

Problem is most people don't carry empty bottles or ziploc bags
with them. However, if someone were to trap some of this
material then the thing to do is put the container in the
'fridge (freezer) until it can be sent to a lab where then can
insert a needle and suck out the contents (air plus
evaporated/sublimed angel hair) and analyze the contents (mass
specrograph, gas chromatograph, etc.).

One might also consider placing the unopened contained into
liquid nitrogen or a lower temperature to see is anything
freezes out.






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                       Re: Roswell Debris Enhancements

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:08:10 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:18:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell Debris Enhancements

Back in mid May this year, a press release surfaced on the
Internet saying that the famous news photos taken in the 8th Air
Force office of Brigadier General Roger Ramey on July 8, 1947
may in fact show actual wreckage brought directly from Roswell
that afternoon by Major Jesse Marcel. These are classic photos
seen in just about every book covering Roswell.

A great deal of teeth gritting, finger pointing, and accusations
have been flying around the Internet, and within the Roswell
community of researchers and interested parties about how this
got started, why it started, and what will result from it.

To say the least, there are various opinions out there which are
diametrically opposed to each other on these questions. Everyone
will have to reach their own opinion about the last two.

The purpose of this article is to answer the first question of
how the idea of looking at enhanced versions evolved.

The involved parties are:

1. James Bond Johnson, Ph.D. the person who took these
photographs when he was a 21 year old photographer for the Fort
Worth Star Telegram newspaper on July 8, 1947. Dr. Johnson, now
72, has had a distinguished career as an ordained United
Methodist minister for 50 years, and since 1960 California board
certified and licensed Clinical Psychologist. He is also a
retired full Colonel from the US Army after a distinguished
active military service spanning three wars?

2. Major George A. Filer, United States Air Force Intelligence
Officer, retired, Eastern Director MUFON, and publisher of the
popular "Filer�s Files" news letter.

3. Ron Regehr , Aeronautical Engineer, and Associate Director,
MUFON, Orange County (Los Angeles), California.

The Genesis:

Late April early May time frame, George Filer had been following
up on some information regarding Roswell. This lead him to get
in touch with Mrs. Roger Ramey.

The Ramey family expressed being concerned over how General
Ramey has been portrayed in a negative light as having been the
one who concocted the "Weather Balloon" ruse, and then ordered
the switching of the real Roswell debris with balloon material.
Labels like fraud, blatant cover up, perpetrating a hoax, and
the like have been associated with General Ramey throughout the
years.

Following up further, George Filer contacted J. Bond Johnson.
During this and subsequent conversations, the idea came up
between them that super enhancements using today�s technology
might be worth the effort.

Bond remembered while visiting friends and relatives in the
Dallas - Fort Worth area this past December that he had gone to
the University of Texas, Arlington and ordered an 11 x 14 print
of what�s referred to as Marcel right. Bond never had his own
copy of this particular photo. This is the very shot at the
center of this current controversy.

Bond told Filer the envelope containing this photo was still
sitting behind the couch in his office, and he�d take another
look at it. Upon closer inspection, Bond felt he saw something
anomalous, and decided to get the opinion of Debbie Stock, a
photojournalist friend and MUFON member.

She arranged a lunch shortly thereafter with Bond, Ron Regehr,
and herself to look at Bond�s 11 x 14 Marcel right print. They
agreed Bond may be right about the anomalous items, and they
should get enlargements.

They went to Staples, a local office services and supply
company, and had them do a 5x enlargement of the suspect area of
Bond�s print using a digital laser color copy machine.

Ron went home and wrote a press release which was picked up by
AP.

Please see Ron Regehr�s web site for confirmation and a look at
his enhancements at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/8827/symbols.html

I�ve given here the answer as to how the press release came
about as told to me by the individuals involved. Feel free to
contact any of them for confirmation.

Dave Vetterick






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                Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: "Jerome Clark" <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 18:48:35 PDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:12:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth


>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:54:03 +0100

>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:20 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers and the final truth about flying

>I note yet again the pain of the ETHers when they are faced with
>some decent research.

Actually, the pain comes from the realization that in 1998 we
are still stuck the hoariest of all UFO fantasies: the
secret-weapon theory.   I never thought I'd say this, but the
secret-weapon believers do what I would not have thought
possible: make the PSHers sound positively sensible.

Of course it's also possible that I'm just having a bad dream.
If not, wake me when the discussion returns to something that
doesn't reduce UFO theory to the state it was in on June 25,
1947.

Jerry Clark







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              Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special

From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:38:35 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:04:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:10:04 -0400
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: "UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Kal Korff Comments on Upcoming Fox TV Special
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:03 -0700

>>The object "executed eight perfect tight circle maneuvers."
>>Could you hazard a ball-park guess as to the diameter of these
>>circles?  Maybe closer to ten full moons than three?  [Roughly
>>how long did it take to complete each one?]

>>Aside from the South Bay in the winter of '81, are you aware of
>>any other UFO reports of objects that appeared or behaved
>>similar to this one?

>Paul Hill reported some similar manuvers and was able to
>calculate some acceleration numbers, because he had a
>triangulation. Kal doesn't have a triangulation, but a range of
>distances could be used to perform those calculations.
>Unfortunately, Kal didn't answer me either when I asked about
>those very characteristics.

>Good luck!

Hi Mark,

Kal has emailed me that he will indeed be responding to our
questions. And I should clarify the record by explaining
something that probably only you noticed: that the first quoted
paragraph above actually contains your question from the last
time Kal sailed through.  I just now enclosed it in brackets.

Kind regards,

Keith






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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Susan Baldwin <sblee@stc.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:38:21 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:10:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>latitude and multiply it by 3.14159 and square the result, adding it
>to the relative geocentric latitude of the Great Pyramid so that I can
>find that it is divisible by four and then realize that I am, indeed,
>right where I am. Then I'd have to put on my foil hat to protect
>myself from alien death rays, because this is not something they
>want us to know.... well, you get the picture.

>How about using math for something with a demonstrable connection
>to physical reality?

>>Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway

Oh so true Mark.... I thought for a minute there he was going to
end up with [42 --ebk] the number that was the "Meaning of Life"
in the book 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy'. I think sometimes
people have way too much time on their hands.

Susan







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             Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:41 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:26:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Grave Of Devil - Expedition To Tian Shan (Part


>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:24:20 +0600
>From: Nikolay V. Subbotin <Nikolay.Subbotin@psu.ru>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Grave Of Devil. Expedition To Tian Shan (Part 2).


>Sorry for my bad English, I use electronic dictionary to
>translate. More info you can found on

>http://www.sightings.com/ufo/russianros.htm

>and

>http://cdl.bmstu.ru/~rf

>on subject "Video/Audio" (russian language - interviev with Emil
>Bachurin in RealAudio and some frames frome videointerviev).

>Regards,
>Nick


>Nikolay Subbotin

>GRAVE OF DEVIL
>Almost fantastic history.

>April, 1998>

>The helicopter has made a wide cautious circle above gorge and
>slowly, being filled up on the right side, has gone downwards.
>Breaking off blades a low bushy cloud, the machine was lowered
>all below and below, trying to find on snow stones an equal
>platform. The military three-colour colouring made by its well

A really good translation of this report should be made by a
fluent translator. Two amazing physical effect are reported here
(aside from the crashed object itself:

1) reduction of the normal ambient magnetic field to zero of
near zero (if I understand correctly) over a sizeable distance
from the object. This is "fantastic", indicating either a
magnetic field of the opposite sign (opposing) to the earth's
local field or a magnetic shielding effect

2) slow down of electronic timekeepers (quarts oscillator)

If either of these effects is real the explanation or
understanding of how they could occur is a direct path to a
Nobel Prize (assuming the aliens haven't taken over by then)





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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #264

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:01:29 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:35:56 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #264

Apology to MW #264 (For August 15, 1998)

Sex is a subject we learn to abhor, and saucers are driven away.
Treated a secret, and kept in the dark -- "it's toxic, it's evil
. . . depraved"!  "It proves our decline, our immoral state of
mind, and it serves to take us further into sin"! Forgotten is
it's ageless -- that it predates all the dreamings of the single
hapless mote that's ever been. Masturbation is an evil that can
strike abusers blind? It can tease and make you crazy -- make
you lose the ties that bind? Make you ape the hairy handed? Make
effect on resolution? Make you lose a few key marbles -- be
confined to institutions? <g>.

Less _is_ more, but be assured that it's not sex that should be
cured -- it's the thing that is the thing that MAKES the thing.
It is older than the mountains, and it taught the birds their
song; it provided flying mammals, taught us radar -- can't be
wrong! It's the nuts and bolts foundation of the things we try
to build. It's the reason for our fire; the promoter of our
skills. Its why we _keep_ the struggle -- it's why we suffer our
desire. It's why we tempt the jaws of death; it's why we love
that ring of fire!

That it's healthy for the body is beyond all guess or doubt.
Satisfaction _boosts_ your "T" cells, uses fat, and makes one
shout! One can focus _awesome_ energy, the way the elders did,
the Egyptians and the Hindus -- they were _making things_ with
it! Its power transcends astral; just check the Taj Mahal, or
Helen's face (a thousand ships) -- just scratch the surface's
all. It's immortal; it's Precambrian; it's as old as primal
dirt; yet we giggle and we shuffle, and we let it burn and hurt.
It's like we're in a bad agreement that it feels too good for
us; we're _unworthy_ and we're shamed to feel the pleasure, or
the trust.

Retreating to forced abstinence, the gonads crack and dry. The
glands involved get cancer. They turn on you. You die. You've
got to keep your glands blown out, make them think they have a
use, convince them they have purpose, and you'll have eternal
juice. Denial is unnatural, _ASSUMING_ your respect,
_DISCOUNTING_ double standards, or that blue-nosed guilty
_PEST_. Sex is our survival! It's its ignorance I despise! It's
that which shall destroy us! It's that we should decry!

That's what frets the saucers! In the face of all that truth, we
discount our hated genitals, and pretend we are aloof. But we're
not fooling star folk, who'd be laughing up their sleeves, if
they but _understood_ us they might strike us to our knees! It's
clear we're in denial on the features of our flesh, and the
saucers will avoid us 'till we get it _straight_ -- I'd guess.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

The results of our sexual ignorance is clear, and requires NO
citation. Consider AIDS, STD's, and NBC!  Could it be we are
misjudged by an observer as a result of the destructive manner
in which we conduct our reproductive behaviors? An alien view of
our sexual proclivities may be frightening, worrisome, and
revolting all at the same time.

Restore John Ford!


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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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                Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:31:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:54:03 +0100


>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:20 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers and the final truth about flying
>>>discs!.
>>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:36:19 +0100

>>It would appear that to Tim Matthews the evidence that wind
>>tunnel tests were carried out on *models" can be used to argue
>>that full scale operational disclike craft made by the USA or
>>perhaps Russia (0r both) were flying around in 1947 and ever
>>afterward.

>The wind tunnel tests are certainly interesting but Bruce knows
>as well as I do from my reply to the Pflock article that
>disc-like objects were flying around in 1946 - and that's from
>somebody who worked on the project.

>Intel documents give clues - and that's all.

>I note yet again the pain of the ETHers when they are faced with
>some decent research.

Pain? If your "decent research" provides absolute proof that
flying discs/saucers/UFOs were made by humans then , great...

No more worry about ET's taking over.

>>He cites General Schulgen's document which indicates that a high
>>speed circular craft...or "low aspect" *could be made*. But now
>>comes "dueling documents". In a letter to the FBI Gen. Schulgen
>>said he had checked with military aircraft research and there
>>were no projects that could give rise to saucer reports
>>(Schulgen, 5 Sep 1947; in FBI file). The bottom line is and
>>always has been that if the witnesses were reasonably
>>accurate....and Matthews assumes they mus be, else how would it
>>be possible to identify what they saw as disclike
>>>far exceeding anything we had.

>>Note: in the Intelligence Collection Document generated at
>>Wright Field and then promulgated by Schulgen it is stated that
>>one of the characteristics of these saucers is "the ability to
>>appear without warning as if from an extremely high altitude"
>>and another is "the ability to quickly disappear as if byhigh
>>speed or complete disintegration." Kenneth Arnold's sighting is
>>the first for which a reasonably reliable speed estimate is
>>possible... 1700 mph. Not even a conventional jet could go that
>>fast until the 1950's.

>1700 mph is not entirely right either is it? Arnold was happy to
>admit that he might have made errors in calculations that
>reduced the supposed speed considerably.

Not quite correct. 50 miles between mountains divided by 102
second to go from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams is about 1700 mph
(actually 1764). Arnold understated the calculated speed and
publicaly claimed about 1200 mph, allowing for possible errors
in his calculations. However, the "raw data" as reported by
Arnold clearly points toward the larger number.

>Again, we have the ETHers using Arnolds sightings as
> evidence of
>'impossible speeds'. Well, 1200 mph wouldn't surprise me back
>then - especially not if a rocket was used.>

1200 mph wouldn't surprise you? You think someone had so
thporoughly mastered the control of rocket engines that at least
nine devices (number reported by Arnold; there could have been
more in other parts of the world at the same time) could be
flying around in June, 1947, Yet the USAF was barely able to
get one special aircraft to exceed the speed of sound in
October, 1947 (Chuck "RIGHT STUFF" Yeager)?

And what abou Schulgen's remark that there was no project that
could explain the saucers?

>(The German rockets certainly went that speed although they were
>unmanned and not of the shape the Arnold suggested...)

>I think it's very interesting that Arnold himself thought that
>these were some new jet-powered weapon of US origin.

Why wouldn't he? The "not made on earth" possibility probably
didn't occur to anyone until weeks later...when the US military
and government denied publicly that there were any projects that
could explain the saucers. Much lower speeds - much less than
1,000 mph, were generally quoted by airline pilots in other
reports of similar low aspect ratio aircraft sightings.

>All the other reports I used in my first posting quote much
>slower speeds and Richard Halls' 1964 "The UFO Evidence" seems
>to be suggesting that so-called "UFO" speeds were higher than
>the fastest ADMITTED military jets. This is exactly as I would
>expect.

>Wouldn't it be interesting if evidence was to emerge, and I
>think it may do, that Mach 1 was broken long before Chuck Yeager
>came along?

I'm sure that would be interesting to demonstrate that
Yeager was a "Johnny Come Lately"

>I also think that Arnolds' drawing of his 'flying saucer' - a
>Horten flying wing - is interesting or does Bruce think that the
>Hortens had recovered ET craft at the Gotha plant?>

Yup interesting. And I don't think The Horton's had
a recovered ET craft.

>>I appreciate Mr. Matthews willingness to look into documents and
>>he cites one I hadn't seen (June, 1948). Perhaps it he read my
>>book (THE UFO/FBI CONNECTION/ contact me for information) he
>>would get even further ideas and information to check on.

>Can't get it over here I'm afraid.....

Be happy to mail you a copy if you are interested.... send
address by private email to brumac@compuserve.com

>The only people still suggesting that witnesses were seeing
>anything other, in most cases, than a range of LAR aircraft are
>EThers.

>Wonder why?

All other explanations, including the "Nazi UFO Theory" have
been on the table for about 50 years now. The USAF
intelligence was not convinced then..... and no really good
reasons for accepting a new version of that theory has yet
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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:28:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:27:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:51 -0400
>Subject:
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>
>The following news story piqued my interest.
>
>(excerpts from http://www.newspage.com)
>
>===
>
>"Illinois has moved to discipline a prominent psychiatrist
>accused of convincing a patient that she was a cannibal who ate
>human flesh meatloaf, a child molester and the high priestess of
>a satanic cult."

(snip)

>a) What does this indicate about the potential for abuse by
>non-professionals without use of drugs in a non-controlled
>setting? Is it greater or less than we typically fear?
>
>b) Is it the non-confirmable nature of the abduction experience
>which prevents what I will call "psychological abductees" from
>coming to similar conclusions? Or is this, at root, a desired
>experience, similar to Munchausen, where the victim desires the
>attention generated by victimhood, even if that attention is
>provided only by one or a few investigators? Or do such
>"psychological abductees" in fact "come to their senses", and
>such reports are simply not reported in the popular literature?

>I'd be interested in feedback from persons involved in abduction
>research.

Hi Mark,

First, I'm not responding to this because I fancy myself an
"abduction researcher." I am responding on my own behalf and
because I spend my days communicating with many "abductees."

The case sighted is an aberration. A 'one off' at best. It
_assumes_ deception and intentional tampering/fraud on the part
of "amateur hypnotists" who work with "abductees." It paints a
picture of the average "abductee" as a mindless boob that can
duped into believing anything, or as P. Klass has said, "little
nobodys who only want to get on TV."

I'm not like that. Neither is anyone else I've met so far. Yup,
there's always a 'joker' in the deck. But for the most part, the
people that I have met and communicated with come from all walks
and economic strata of life. They are for the most part, honest,
hard working family people that find themselves in the
unsettling position of having to deal with something that isn't
even supposed to exist.

Studies/tests have already been conducted on abductees that have
shown the test subjects to be no more 'crazy' or 'neurotic' than
anyone else. (Myself included) It bothers me that -extreme
examples- such as the one above are presented as somehow "valid"
or applicable inquiries. I find them to be condescending and
insulting in the extreme.

Sorry man, the example that you presented not only has no
bearing to the abduction phenom, it has no bearing to anything
other than the study of 'freak cases' of abuse. If you are
suggesting that there is a correlation beween the above
(freak/one off case) and abductees then I take umberage at your
insinuation.

Sorry Mark, contrary to popular belief we're not all
'hallucinating' or 'drooling idiots' that have been hypnotized
into believing that we were abducted. I wish you could stand in
my shoes long enough to know how very insulting and simplistic
that is.

Peace,

John Velez








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                          BWW Media Alert 19980815

From: Bufo Calvin <BufoCalvin@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:51:32 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:29:02 -0400
Subject: BWW Media Alert 19980815


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August 15, 1998

I have been dealing with a technical glitch which has meant that I have to do
more of the list updating manually than I normally do.  If you have requested
to receive this directly and do not, please let me know.  Also let me know if
you get more than one copy, or have requested to drop and still receive it.
In all cases, that is if you get it directly from me.  The Bufo's WEIRD WORLD
Media Alert is commonly forwarded by other people as well.

Several of my favorite resources don't seem to be responding properly right
now as well, so I may miss a few things.  Oh, and the sun's in my eyes, my
glove is too big, and a rock got in my way ;) .

Btw, THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL is pre-empting its usual programming this Sunday
for SHARK WEEK...means less Arthur C. Clarke than usual, for one thing.



TELEVISION

A&E
Sunday, August 16, 2:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: UFO CULTS & GROUPS

THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
Saturday, August 15, 6:00 PM, SCIENCE MYSTERIES: DISCOVERY ATLANTIS (actually
Bolivia?)
Thursday, August 20, 9:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THUNDERBIRDS (includes some
rarely seen, rather unconvincing footage)
Friday, August 21, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THUNDERBIRDS (includes some
rarely seen, rather unconvincing footage)
Next Sunday, August 23, 1:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S WORLD OF STRANGE POWERS:
THINGS THAT GO BUMP IN THE NIGHT (poltergeists)
Next Sunday, August 23, 1:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE:
STRANGE POWERS OF ANIMALS ("superior" intellectual abilities, apparently
psychic ones)
Next Sunday, August 23, 2:00 PM, ANIMAL X: SUPERNATURAL CREATURES (yeti ((or
maybe Almas...the description isn't clear)), Howick Falls lake monster in
South Africa, Jersey Devil in the U.S.)
Next Sunday, August 23, 2:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THUNDERBIRDS

NBC
Saturday, August 15, 8:00 PM, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC: SEA MONSTERS (well, the
giant squid, anyway...arguably appropriate here)

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                     Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 02:56:22 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:28:09 -0400
Subject: Re: A.U.R.A. Announces New Homepage


>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:20:38 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: A.U.R.A. is glad to announce their homepage!

>Hello people,

>We've been asked this several times now, and allthough no one here is a
>real HTML-wizz kid, we finaly did it: A.U.R.A.'s homepage is realized!
>Allthough we still will be continiously be under construction, it's
>possible to visit A.U.R.A.

>http://members.tripod.com/~A_U_R_A

>We of course always are glad to recieve advices or tips on how to
>improve.

>With Kind Regards,

>Abduction & Ufo Research Association
>Nijmegen
>The Netherlands
>aura@telekabel2.nl

>PS: JV, if your reading this, thanx for the IF-button, but, um,
>    would you mind telling me how to use it...(Yeah I know :o))

>Thanx,

>Andy.
========================================================

Hi Andy,

It's a two step operation:

1. You turn the IF button into an 'active link' to IF-AIC. Then,  . . .

2. you send me a small gif logo for AURA and I link it to your
site from mine.

Here in America it's called, 'the exchanging of the links.'
It replaced the old, 'exchanging of the underwear.'
The 'exchanging of the underwear' rapidly became unpopular
because most Americans have too many (underwear related)
bad memories from high school. <VBG>

Best of luck with your new website. My best to all at AURA.

John Velez, Webmaster IF-AIC

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               Re: Calculations on 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:22:10 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:32:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Calculations on 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona

This e-mail from Joe Schultz should clarify all the number
crunching concerning the 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona:


Dear Doc Barry:

After reading the answer to your inquiry from Mr. Morton, I feel
strongly that I should clarify what must seem to you a
convoluted explanation.

The triangular "object" that was seen over Phoenix on March
13th, 1997, and subsequently hovered over 7th Avenue and Indian
School, originated from the Constellation of Sirius. As most
people know, yourself excluded (because of a sore lack of even a
rudimentary education), Sirius is considered the Dog Star. Dog
stars are given that appellation for good reason (which will
become quite evident in a moment).

The important clue, as to the reason said "object" hovered over
said intersection is comprehensible to those educated people who
know the leanings and habits of canine creatures: there is a
fire hydrant placed strategically at the intersection of 7th
Avenue and Indian School.

Without going into a scientific dissertation as to the
correlation between canine creatures and fire hydrants, let it
suffice that there was a pressing need for the "object" from
Sirius to hover over said intersection for exactly four minutes.

A stream of urine, given its pressure, rate of fluidic speed,
and pressing need to extricate itself from a canine creature's
bladder, will require a certain period of time (t) to conclude
its necessity for same. Considering the distance traveled (d),
Sirius is quite a distance to travel from, without relieving
one's self in the interim, and this is where the fire hydrant at
7th Avenue comes into play. Or, to put it into a simple
formulae, t+d+n =3D r

Where t =3D time
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 d =3D distance
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 n =3D necessity
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 r =3D relief

We can all appreciate the four minute "stream" of consciousness
expressed by our CVET (canine visiting extraterrestrial) over
7th Avenue and Indian School, to be sure.

I hope this was of some help to you in discovering the simple
reason for the hovering maneuver... and this is the real poop.

Professor JWS... Ph.D. (Poopy, hovering Dog) etc., etc. >>

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                Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:47:55 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:10:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth


>From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>Date: 15 August 1998 18:31

>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:55 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:54:03 +0100


>>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:32:20 -0400
>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers & The Truth
>>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>>>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>>Subject: Karl Pflock, Crashed Saucers and the final truth about flying
>>>>discs!.
>>>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:36:19 +0100

>>>It would appear that to Tim Matthews the evidence that wind
>>>tunnel tests were carried out on *models" can be used to argue
>>>that full scale operational disclike craft made by the USA or
>>>perhaps Russia (0r both) were flying around in 1947 and ever
>>>afterward.

>>The wind tunnel tests are certainly interesting but Bruce knows
>>as well as I do from my reply to the Pflock article that
>>disc-like objects were flying around in 1946 - and that's from
>>somebody who worked on the project.

>>Intel documents give clues - and that's all.

>>I note yet again the pain of the ETHers when they are faced with
>>some decent research.

>Pain? If your "decent research" provides absolute proof that
>flying discs/saucers/UFOs were made by humans then , great...

>No more worry about ET's taking over.

>>>He cites General Schulgen's document which indicates that a high
>>>speed circular craft...or "low aspect" *could be made*. But now
>>>comes "dueling documents". In a letter to the FBI Gen. Schulgen
>>>said he had checked with military aircraft research and there
>>>were no projects that could give rise to saucer reports
>>>(Schulgen, 5 Sep 1947; in FBI file). The bottom line is and
>>>always has been that if the witnesses were reasonably
>>>accurate....and Matthews assumes they mus be, else how would it
>>>be possible to identify what they saw as disclike
>>>>far exceeding anything we had.

>>>Note: in the Intelligence Collection Document generated at
>>>Wright Field and then promulgated by Schulgen it is stated that
>>>one of the characteristics of these saucers is "the ability to
>>>appear without warning as if from an extremely high altitude"
>>>and another is "the ability to quickly disappear as if byhigh
>>>speed or complete disintegration." Kenneth Arnold's sighting is
>>>the first for which a reasonably reliable speed estimate is
>>>possible... 1700 mph. Not even a conventional jet could go that
>>>fast until the 1950's.

>>1700 mph is not entirely right either is it? Arnold was happy to
>>admit that he might have made errors in calculations that
>>reduced the supposed speed considerably.

>Not quite correct. 50 miles between mountains divided by 102
>second to go from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams is about 1700 mph
>(actually 1764). Arnold understated the calculated speed and
>publicaly claimed about 1200 mph, allowing for possible errors
>in his calculations. However, the "raw data" as reported by
>Arnold clearly points toward the larger number.

>>Again, we have the ETHers using Arnolds sightings as
>>evidence of
>>'impossible speeds'. Well, 1200 mph wouldn't surprise me back
>>then - especially not if a rocket was used.>

>1200 mph wouldn't surprise you? You think someone had so
>thporoughly mastered the control of rocket engines that at least
>nine devices (number reported by Arnold; there could have been
>more in other parts of the world at the same time) could be
>flying around in June, 1947, Yet the USAF was barely able to
>get one special aircraft to exceed the speed of sound in
>October, 1947 (Chuck "RIGHT STUFF" Yeager)?

>And what abou Schulgen's remark that there was no project that
>could explain the saucers?

One of the biggest problems with all this is that we know the
files exist and that they are kept at Wright-Patterson. Numerous
exhaustive FOIA requests were submitted on the usual suspects -
Miethe and co - but after the request was originally denied the
process went to appeal.

The USAF, amongst others, was unwilling not unable to comply
with the request/s.

I think in the 1950s the USAF got involved in a big way but one
of the things that occurs to me is that each branch has
historically had it's black projects. In his "Stealth Warplanes"
Doug Richardson notes the existence of some 200 black projects
at any one time and whilst this figure will have been less back
then I would no be surprised to find several different projects
on the go; some aircraft under test, others semi-operational
others operational.

For every white aircraft project there is a black one and I
suspect that back in the mid-late 1940s there was so much
technical data and testing to do in relation to captured 'war
prizes' that all kinds of weird stuff might reasonably expected
to have been reported.

So whilst one group or company worked on wind tunnel tests
another had something up in the air.

That's the way it was then and certainly the way things are now.

My considered opinion is that both the Rhoads (Arizona) photos
and the McMinnville photos (that you analyzed?) are examples of
jet powered flying pancake aircraft and not ET spacecraft.

Do you see the tail fin in the McMinnville photo? I know I do.

Tail fin on alien craft? Doubt it.

The Rhoads photos look very much like those annoying German
aircraft as well.

>>(The German rockets certainly went that speed although they were
>>unmanned and not of the shape the Arnold suggested...)

>>I think it's very interesting that Arnold himself thought that
>>these were some new jet-powered weapon of US origin.

>Why wouldn't he? The "not made on earth" possibility probably
>didn't occur to anyone until weeks later...when the US military
>and government denied publicly that there were any projects that
>could explain the saucers. Much lower speeds - much less than
>1,000 mph, were generally quoted by airline pilots in other
>reports of similar low aspect ratio aircraft sightings.

>>All the other reports I used in my first posting quote much
>>slower speeds and Richard Halls' 1964 "The UFO Evidence" seems
>>to be suggesting that so-called "UFO" speeds were higher than
>>the fastest ADMITTED military jets. This is exactly as I would
>>expect.

>>Wouldn't it be interesting if evidence was to emerge, and I
>>think it may do, that Mach 1 was broken long before Chuck Yeager
>>came along?

>I'm sure that would be interesting to demonstrate that
>Yeager was a "Johnny Come Lately"

>>I also think that Arnolds' drawing of his 'flying saucer' - a
>>Horten flying wing - is interesting or does Bruce think that the
>>Hortens had recovered ET craft at the Gotha plant?>

>Yup interesting. And I don't think The Horton's had
>a recovered ET craft.

>>>I appreciate Mr. Matthews willingness to look into documents and
>>>he cites one I hadn't seen (June, 1948). Perhaps it he read my
>>>book (THE UFO/FBI CONNECTION/ contact me for information) he
>>>would get even further ideas and information to check on.

>>Can't get it over here I'm afraid.....

>Be happy to mail you a copy if you are interested.... send
>address by private email to brumac@compuserve.com

>>The only people still suggesting that witnesses were seeing
>>anything other, in most cases, than a range of LAR aircraft are
>>EThers.

>>Wonder why?

>All other explanations, including the "Nazi UFO Theory" have
>been on the table for about 50 years now. The USAF
>intelligence was not convinced then..... and no really good
>reasons for accepting a new version of that theory has yet
>been advanced here.

I understand what you mean but as I pointed out the USAF is but
a minor player in this. The US Navy is/was the main culprit and
more on this is set to emerge soon.

I also very seriously doubt whether Groom Lake is the main place
for secret aircraft. Might have been back in the 1950s and 60s.

And it's separate to S4 - which I suggest was a very important
place.....






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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:55:36 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:12:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:31 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Regardless of how it gets there, this stuff evidently turns into
>a gas at environmental temperatures. The only way to hang onto
>it is to use sealed containers.

>Problem is most people don't carry empty bottles or ziploc bags
>with them. However, if someone were to trap some of this
>material then the thing to do is put the container in the
>'fridge (freezer) until it can be sent to a lab where then can
>insert a needle and suck out the contents (air plus
>evaporated/sublimed angel hair) and analyze the contents (mass
>specrograph, gas chromatograph, etc.).

>One might also consider placing the unopened contained into
>liquid nitrogen or a lower temperature to see is anything
>freezes out.


Bruce,

You make an excellent point. I actually have a "collection kit"
in my vehicle. This consists of 4 half pint unused mason jars in
a heavy duty freezer zip-lock, several pairs of unused latex
surgical gloves, and a disposable camera ready to shoot. One
thing I have not done is locate sources for cryogenic storage.
This stuff is so volatile, that it has been known to sublimate
in freezers. I would also suggest anyone collecting it stuff the
containers as full as possible. As it sublimates, vapor pressure
in the container increases, further slowing the sublimation.

For this reason, it is preferable that half pint or smaller jars
be used, then iced down as soon as possible. I know some people
would think this is overkill, but this may be what it takes to
get a good analysis done.

BTW, my "kit" would also be good for *any* trace case. Anybody
have any suggestions on what to add?  I can think of quite a few
items, such as a thermometer, litmus paper, and a geiger
counter. AH has been known to be radioactive with an extremely
short half-life, this could be a valuable addition, but do the
chances of actually using it outweigh the cost?

Brian







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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:18:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:18:31 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>
>>From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 23:16:26 -0400

>>Hi List,

>>Sounds like a bona-fide case of angel hair occured in Quirindi,
>>AU, this past Monday. (10 Aug) NSW is no stranger to angel hair;
>>Bill Chalker has personally held it, and had it sublimate in his
>>hand. (I envy you, Bill. I've tried for years to gather some.)

>>A call for help: scientists, chemists, and other learned
>>individuals: As you may know, this material does not evaporate,
>>it sublimates, and therefore phase diagrams would be of use to
>>determine what this substance is. I would also assume that its
>>vapour pressure would have to be above 1atm at ~standard day,
>>and triple point who knows where. The big problem is, of course,
>>since it does sublimate, very little has ever been tested. Any
>>advice or info is welcome, from anyone. And of course, if anyone
>>has an analysis, such as GC, SEM, or FTIR, or angel hair for
>>analysis, please don't hesitate to email. There is pay-dirt here
>>for both the ufologists and the scientists..

>Regardless of how it gets there, this stuff evidently turns into
>a gas at environmental temperatures. The only way to hang onto
>it is to use sealed containers.

Just "how it gets there" is quite a problem and deserves some
pondering. Evidently this "angel hair" is at least as thin and
tenuous as a spider web, which has a rather small fall velocity
in air. If simply released from a UFO a mile or two up, or even
500 yards away, it could not possibly find its way to the
witnesses and their cars, etc. It instead would be dispersed by
wind and turbulence over very great distances and not settle
anywhere in significant density to be noticeable. I.e., its fall
velocity would be a few cm/sec at most, while the turbulent
motions that carry it up and down while it drifts horizontally
are on the order of a couple meters/sec. So it seems to me that
the UFO has to "beam it" to its intended target area, or
otherwise cause it to "materialize" there -- a matter of ET
magic once again.

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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:37:18 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:28:32 -0500
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

>Sorry man, the example that you presented not only has no
>bearing to the abduction phenom, it has no bearing to anything
>other than the study of 'freak cases' of abuse. If you are
>suggesting that there is a correlation beween the above
>freak/one off case) and abductees then I take umberage at your
>insinuation.

John,

I would also point out the fact that a percentage of abductees
report conscious recall of their abductions. This is rarely
mentioned to the public by skeptics, calling their motives into
question yet again, since that would force them to abandon the
"hypnotically planted memory" hypothesis. Additionally, skeptics
rarely mention the physical evidence apparent on so many
abductees, and the fact that many cases involve more than one
person taken at a time who later recall seeing each other "on
board".

Some skeptics have advanced the theory (desperate for any
alternative to alien abduction) that the scars and scoop marks
found on some abductees can be attributed to psychosomatic
effects, that somehow the person's own brain is causing the skin
to produce the marks. This is absurd, and I'd like to see even
one study that shows this to be possible. Unless it can be
demonstrated repeatedly with predictable results, skeptics have
no business citing it as a cause.

As for my opinion on the subject....jury's still out. So far,
the skeptic's answers don't explain all the evidence. Until they
can come up with better ones, I lean toward the ETH for some
cases.

Greg






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                       UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:25:29 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:23:41 -0400
Subject: UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year


Source: The Times of London. To be admitted to the site, go to

http://www.the-times.co.uk/

and register.


Stig

*******

Saturday August 15 1998

BRITISH NEWS: BRITAIN


Reports of UFOs vanish mysteriously into space


BY JAMES LANDALE, POLITICAL REPORTER


THE little green men from outer space have packed their bags,
fired up their flying saucers and headed home. Or perhaps we
have just become a little less credulous.

Reported sightings of UFOs have fallen dramatically in Britain
in the past year, according to the Ministry of Defence. In 1996,
609 people told the ministry that they had seen an unidentified
flying object. Last year, the figure dropped to 425. In the
first six months of this year only 88 people reported sightings.

Ministry officials differed from UFO experts yesterday in
explaining the decline. A ministry spokesman suggested that
Hollywood was to blame. The unusually high 1996 figures had, he
said, been prompted by the film Independence Day, with its story
of aliens trying to destroy Earth. This was compounded by Men in
Black, last year's film about aliens living on our planet.
Similarly high numbers occurred after Close Encounters of the
Third Kind in the late 1970s, when sightings rocketed from 435
to 750.

The spokesman added that the Hale-Bopp comet and last year's
50th anniversary of an American pilot coining the term "flying
saucer" had contributed to the figures. "There was a series of
films and events in 1996 and 1997 which triggered off a spate of
reports from the public," he said. "In contrast, this year we
have had the World Cup."

His theory has a flaw: UFO sightings dropped from 600 to 250
after ET hit the screens in 1982. Nick Pope, a UFO expert and
civil servant who investigated sightings for the ministry
between 1991 and 1994, was sceptical of the films theory: "The
idea of a link is an attempt to try to trivialise the UFO
project."

Graham Birdsall, editor of UFO Magazine, said official reports
of sightings had declined because the ministry decided last year
to stop taking them in person over the telephone, installing an
answering machine instead. This put people off making a report.

He claimed that the official figures represented only 10 per
cent of UFO sightings, most of which went unreported because
observers were afraid of being mocked. Many other reports, made
to the police and airports, did not reach the ministry.

The official figures were given in a written parliamentary
answer to Lord Hill-Norton, the 83-year-old former First Sea
Lord and UFO aficionado. His only comment yesterday was that he
did not think the number of sightings had dropped.


Copyright 1998 Times Newspapers Ltd.








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                        Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:17:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:01:14 +0200
>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A." <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:49:21 +0200
>>>From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A. <aura@telekabel2.nl>
>>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>>>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net
>>>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Korff & Pleiadian Physics

>>An implicit assumption underlying Bruce's analysis is that
>>aliens/ETs wouldn't be smart enough or possess any strategy of
>>dealing with us that could be deceptive at times. Such as
>>causing their UFO to simulate pendulum-like motions, for
>>purposes that may be similar to those of the MIBs. That is,
>>Bruce never commented upon that possibility, perhaps because
>>most ufologists of note, and journal editors, do not care to
>>think about it. Yet Bruce has noted (IUR 18, No. 1, 1993, p. 22)
>>that some half-dozen videos of the red/white nighttime GB UFOs
>>showed movements with a quite regular oscillation. There are
>>other instances of this, one being in the MUFON J. of Sept.
>>1993, p. 20, where the primary witness reported the UFO "swung
>>like a pendulum" for a while. Obviously we need to keep the
>>capabilities and intelligence of the UFO pilots in mind -- the
>>"I" in ETI.

>>>Remember the Asket and Nera-fiasco and the absolutely lame
>>>excuse Meier came up with?

Have you forgotten that Meier was merely repeating the
explanation he received from one of his contacotrs (Ptaah)? Are
you one of those who believe that aliens/ETs would never tell
their abductees/contactees any falsehoods? It's understandable
that a contactee would believe it 100%, but you and I don't need
to.

So re-read the above, and think over any other past UFO cases
you may be able to recall, in which alien intelligence is
involved. They have not been labeled "Masters of deception"
without good reason.

>>>Remember the tree that mysteriously vanished? Without ANY trace?

Jeroen responded to you on this: when two witnesses visited the
site of Meier's Fuchsbuel photos they noted that many of its
branches had turned brown or dead; a few days later when they
revisited the site the whole tree was observed to be dead; a few
days later still the tree had vanished without leaving any
trace. Besides Jeroen's response, I may add that several persons
around Meier were as perplexed by this as you are, and hounded
him to ask his prime contactor (Semjase) to provide a
demonstration of such. She eventually did, though not before
their very eyes, but in a pre-designated area on Oct. 17, 1976.
At Meier's request, several of these persons took photos of the
area before the demonstration, and then again of course a short
time afterwards, when a small tree (some 4-5 meters tall) was
then absent with absolutely no sign of disturbance of the
ground. A smaller tree about 3 meters tall had been right next
to the 4-5 meter tree, and the curvature of its trunk and
centerline was much in evidence after the disappearance of the
demonstration tree that had shielded the smaller tree from
sunlight. I.e., there was this evidence, besides the photos,
that the 4-5 meter test tree had indeed vanished. I believe that
Moosbrugger's photo comparisons of the before & after
appearances of the demonstration site are the best available on
this, in his book (in German: "Und Doch Sie Fliegen" (or some
such)).

Is your mind, and that of Korff, too small to conceive that the
capabilities and actions of aliens/ETs thousands or hundreds of
thousands of years advanced over us would seem like magic to us?
And too narrow to conceive that UFO entities could be educating
us over a many-decade period as to some of their capabilities
relative to our level of understanding?

>>You also need to keep the intelligence & capabilities of the UFO
>>pilots in mind, rather than ignoring it.

>Mind if I wanna meet one first before trying to draw conclusion
>on it's capabilities, or its intellegence.

Until then, you'll need to rely upon the reports of sincere
witnesses.

>So, Bruce's work was just "saying IF" but keeping the aliens
>intellence in mind isn't? Jim, that seems like double-standards
>to me...

Um, if they can get from "out there" to here in craft whose
maneuvering capabilities greatly exceeds your understanding, and
even that of Bruce and Mark, that alone demonstrates
intelligence behind these craft that exceeds yours and mine. So
this was a matter of consistency, not double standards.

>>>Perhaps you could fill me in on the details of that, along with
>>source and names. And what size and weight were the helium
>>bottles?

>I don't see what the size of the bottle has to do with it. And
>if you want it confirmed ask FiGU, just call their SSSC and ask
>them if Billy ever used helium to build a UFO, THEY admitted
>it...allthough they said it to be just an experiment just to see
>how it would look (rather silly excuse, don't you think?)

What I had in mind here was the problem of Meier having to tote
a heavy helium bottle plus balloon on his Mo-Ped in addition to
his camera, warm weather gear, etc., to various semi-isolated
spots if he had been a hoaxer. But the other half of the problem
is to inflate a rather large helium balloon under windy or
breezy conditions. You need a shelter of some sort in which to
do it (as with weather balloons), and even then it seems like
you need at least three hands to inflate the balloon and tie it
off.

>>>Remember the proven cut & paste-edge on picture #200?

>>That's the photo that Wendelle Stevens had analyzed in Basel
>>with the best scanning computer available then (~1979), and had
>>enhanced. So when you look at that one, you're not looking at an
>>untouched copy of the original. You need only read pp. 339-340
>>of Stevens' 1982 "Preliminary Investigation Report" to learn
>>about that. That enhancement is also the photo whose enlargement
>>Timmermann used to post at MUFON UFO meetings as showing too
>>clearly a defined UFO edge to be genuine. I don't know if he
>>realized the history of it or not. If he had wished, he could
>>instead have posted enlargements of untouched Meier photo copies
>>that show the haze effect very well.

>This all sounds great but we took the pic from there own page
>and if your interested I'ld be pleased to send you a JPG-version
>of pic. 200 showing those edges.

Their relevant web page on this shows five different photos on
which you can click. The first one is photo #200, which shows it
like it was. The second one was the enlargement and enhancement
of which I spoke, which Stevens long ago made available to Meier
for his photo collection. It was also labeled photo #200, but
with filename "F200au.jpg" in which "au" stands for
"Ausschnittvergrosserung," indicating it is a cropped
enlargement. Here's part of the history of this photo that you
should learn about before crying "fraud":

>From Stevens, p. 339 of "Preliminary Investigation Report" (1982):

"This photograph [#200's original diapositive] was taken to
Interrepro, A.G., in Basel where it was put into a HELL
Chromograph DC 300 scanning computer which, using an Argon laser
beam, scanned the original transparency at 400 lines per
centimeter and created new 4-color separation negatives. These
negatives were then taken to Schori Repros in Bern where they
were set up and printed on poster paper."

As far as Stevens was aware, this represented the state of the
art in 1979.

Now, Andy, are you still claiming that this photo that Wendelle
had enhanced was a fraud because of its appearance after it had
been enhanced?

Jim Deardorff
Corvallis, Oregon
E-mail: deardorj@proaxis.com
Home page: http://www.proaxis.com/~deardorj/index.htm







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                  Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:09:39 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:31:37 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:48:25 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>[Unfortunately, Fran neglected to Cc: UpDates a copy of
>Bob Durant's response to a message posted to this List -
>hence it being a couple of days old. --ebk]

________________________________________

>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:11:13 -0500
>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>Subject: Reply to Vetterick
>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM


>On May 18, 1998 J. Bond Johnson posted on the Internet a
>lengthy "news release" with the following extremely provocative
>headline: "Air Force General Cleared of Fraud Charges as Roswell
>'Balloon Switch' Story Shot Down by Modern High Tech Photos
>Examination."

>The "press release" was written as if a reporter had researched
>the story and interviewed Johnson. Because it appeared to
>originate with a professional journalist, this gave the story --
>and J. Bond Johnson -- extra credibility.

This is partially correct. It was written by JBJ, Ron Regehr
(MUFON Orange County) and Debbie Stock. I suggest you look at
Ron's site for the genesis of this.

http://www.geocities.com/area51/Hollow/8827/symbols.html

>To Roswell researchers, this was anything but news. Ten years
>ago, Johnson, together with William Moore and Jaime Shandera,
>had published articles insisting that the photos taken by
>Johnson in General Ramey's office in 1947 showed not a radar
>reflector, but real extraterrestrial debris. It requires no
>special expertise to discern at a glance that the photos are of
>a battered radar reflector, and nothing else. But the team of
>Johnson, Moore and Shandera insisted otherwise, and managed to
>waste a huge amount of the time of Roswell researchers before
>the matter was laid to rest. Johnson faded from the scene.
>Suddenly, here was Johnson again, with the "real debris" tale
>resurrected.

This is flatly not true. I said in my 8/9 post this was not
true. You've ignored this and simply repeated the same false
statement. Please substantiate this, or withdraw it. JBJ has
never engaged in any writing or publishing any articles at any
time with Moore or Shandera. They interviewed JBJ in 1989-90
time frame and there has been no contact with either of them
since. What evidence do you have that JBJ ever "proclaimed" or
"insisted" the debris was the "real" debris back then?

Oh, and I seriously question you're eyesight is so good that you
can use a magnifying glass as you said before, and with a glance
establish what is in the photos and what isn't better than
computer enhancements.

>Like the rest of the world, I wondered if there might be
>something to his claim. So I asked a ufological colleague to
>contact Johnson and ask specific questions such as exactly where
>and on exactly which photograph one could find the anomalous
>debris. Since then, my friend (whom I decline to name here) has
>spent many hours on the telephone with Johnson and many more
>hours exchanging email. None of this has been to any avail.
>Johnson refuses to get specific about the central claim. As of
>today, Johnson has failed to provide any documentation or
>guidance that would allow a third party to verify his extremely
>important claim. In any field but ufology, a man carrying on
>this way would be censured.

And here is the mysterious third party we can't name who said...
Wouldn't happen to be Mr. George Filer would it ? And your
statement that JBJ has not provided any documentation is another
false one. Follow Ron Regehr's site given above to the last of
his enhancements and click on "MORE SCANS"  That will take you
to Mr. Neil Morris's site (Photo Analyst, Dept. of Physics and
Astronomy, Univ. of  Manchester) where you will find all the
documentation you can stand. Pardon my sarcasm, buts it's a boat
load more than you've provided, Mr. Durant.

Just as a note of interest, JBJ said he has not been questioned
by ANYONE as to exactly where and on which photo one could find
the anomalous debris. Hardly many hours on the phone or many
hours exchanging e-mail. He wondered why you were so reluctant
to call him yourself and simply ask where it was.

Your comment about being censured ....... speaks volumes.

>In his press release and in other postings, Johnson claimed
>that the University of Texas held the photographs under high
>security, that they were arranging a special public showing of
>huge blowups showing the extraterrestrial debris, and that the
>University and the Air Force had engaged in a heated argument
>about the photos. I telephoned the University to order a set of
>the photographs and also to check on these other claims.
>University personnel told me that Johnson's claims were false.
>In my June 15 posting I include a letter sent to me by the
>Library specifically contradicting Johnson's claim about
>friction between the Library and the Air Force.

Here is a quote from the original article: "Now housed under
tight security in the Star-Telegram Special Collections section
of the University of Texas Library at Arlington, Texas."

Here is the exact quote from CNI 6/1/98 : "A spokeswoman for the
university's photo collection told CNI News that she and her
staff had received an extraordinary number of recent calls
concerning the photos and the rumored exhibit. Some of those
calls, she said, were belligerent and threatening. University
officials are taking suitable precautions to assure the security
of the original photos, but have arranged to make enlargements
available for viewing under supervision."

June 1 was the first time UTA held out for public viewing the
16x20 super enlargements. Whether one calls it a special public
showing or something else is semantics.

There is NO reference to any discussion about any heated
argument between UTA and the AF or the photos in the press
release. JBJ has no knowledge of this claimed argument. Please
substantiate this.

>The June 1, 1998 CNI News has this to say about the "press
>release": "CNI News has learned that a lengthy statement posted
>to the internet on or about May 18, 1998 titled (see above)
>contains many inaccuracies."  Ironically, Mr. Vetterick seems to
>cite CNI News as supporting Johnson.

Here is the exact quote from CNI. Pay particular attention to
the last sentence which Mr. Durant forgot to include above:


 "CNI News has learned that a lengthy statement posted to the
internet on or about May 18, 1998, titled "Air Force General
Cleared of Fraud Charges as Roswell 'Balloon Switch' Story Shot
Down By Modern High Tech Photos Examination," contains many
inaccuracies. However, some elements of the new claims may prove
true, and further investigation is underway."


I submit most of what was thought to be inaccuracies were
clarified since.

I you encourage to go the CNI's www site for the archived June
1, 1998 issue and read the complete first article of that issue.

>In the midst of this, we see Johnson claiming that Kevin Randle
>misquoted him, Randle pulling out the tape recordings where
>Johnson said precisely what Randle quoted him as saying, and,
>most tellingly, Johnson never blinking. He still maintains that
>Randle misquoted him!

So what? This is a dispute between KR and JBJ which I hope they
resolve. I'd even suggest a panel type debate with other
qualified people could be held and clear this aspect of it up
once and for all. It might even bring to light some new info.

What has this got to do with your mis-statements.

>Recently, Johnson sent word through a third party that he is
>going to sue me. His message said he was filing a "federal
>libel" suit, and that he needed an apology from me within a few
>days because the statute of limitations in California was
>forcing him to act quickly. This is pure J. Bond Johnson.
>There is no such thing as a "federal" cause of action for libel.
>The statute of limitations in California for libel, whatever it
>is, is not measured in days. (I suppose he has hired the law
>firm of Moore, Shandera and Collins to represent his interests.)

This I'm told is also untrue. In any event it's not germane to the
subject at hand.

What IS germane is the comment above "This is pure J. Bond
Johnson."  How can you make such a statement when you have
NEVER met JBJ or had a conversation with him?


>Vetterick wonders how I could carry on this way when I have
>never had any contact whatsoever with Johnson. Per the above, a
>colleague was wasting his time that way, while I was wasting my
>time on the telephone with the University of Texas, then
>studying the result of my $196 investment, and then writing the
>article lampooning Johnson. In sum, why bother?  I have a
>complete record of everything Johnson has said in public, as
>well as a complete record of what he has said in private
>communications to my colleague. Makes for interesting reading,
>especially if Johnson wants to get "real" about any of this.

No one asked you or your mysterious colleague to do anything?
Whether it was a waste of time is your opinion. But that doesn't
give you the right to fabricate things. If you have the proof of
what you claim is so, please produce it, which is only what I asked
you to do to start with. I could be much more sarcastic on this point
but enough said.

>What seems to have been lost in the J. Bond shuffle is that
>there are people who take Roswell seriously and have devoted a
>huge chunk of their lives to that mystery. Some deference
>should be given to them. If, after examining with care the
>claims of J. Bond Johnson and finding them to be nothing more or
>less than a series of misrepresentations, those researchers lose
>patience, reasonable people should understand.

Until there is a final closure to the Roswell saga, none of the
researchers can put down their pads and pens. So even a larger
chunk of their lives will be invested if they wish to stay involved.

You make it sound as if what JBJ has said is going to somehow
destroy all the work someone has put into this. That's ridiculous
over such a relatively small part of the whole Roswell story.
Getting the to truth is what ought to be important to all.

Again, I think an open debate or panel discussion is what is
called for to get the dispute put to rest.

>What is left is for Johnson's supporters to do their own
>research into the photographs and into the allegations about the
>University of Texas, and to listen to Randle's tapes. Simply
>sniping at those who have done all of that, won't suffice. Show
>us the "extraterrestrial debris" -- or shut up.

Look at what's been made available. More is coming. The
majority will decide if it's valid or not. Fabricating stories
and half truths to support one's contentions is not acceptable.

>Finally, I did not say that J. Bond Johnson is senile. When
>one looks at the record, one must wonder if there might be
>something wrong with the fellow. But what I concluded is that
>he is just a jokester, pulling everyone's leg. That is the most
>charitable way to characterize him and his forays into
>never-never land. If nothing else, I am a very charitable
>fellow. But those who are close to J. Bond need to keep and eye
>open and do what is right for the man.

These type remarks are unfounded and not called for. You discredit
yourself by first implying JBJ is senile, and saying you didn't, now
you infer he's daft. You said in June :

" He's pushing 80, and after a very full life, he finds himself
sitting around worrying that the world has forgotten him and all
his accomplishments. Senility is not the only deficit brought
about by age."

>I don't intend to engage in further correspondence on this
>topic.

>--Bob Durant

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Yesterday, I posted the full sequence of events, which lead up
to taking another look at the photos as I understand them. In my
opinion it's a valid reason and there is no hidden agenda or
desire to be in the spot light on JBJ's part.

Dave Vetterick










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                     What 13 Meteorites Tell About Mars

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:00:25 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:45:14 -0400
Subject: What 13 Meteorites Tell About Mars

Source: ABC News.

http://www.abcnews.com:80/sections/science/DailyNews/meteorites980814.html

Stig

*******

What 13 Meteorites Tell About a Planet

Analyzing Bits of Mars
By Kevin Boyd

Special to ABCNEWS.com

Aug. 14  Martian meteorites are like a great novel, spinning out
the history of the Red Planet. With each look, scientists read a
new twist to the plot, and every now and then, they find find a
whole new chapter.

(Image: This meteorite found in the Sahara Desert, Lucky 13, was
recently confirmed to be from Mars. (Ron Baalke))

British scientists this week announced they had positively
identified a rock found in the Sahara as the 13th known Martian
meteorite.

While the meteorite, dubbed Lucky 13, will certainly shed new
insights, scientists are far from finished scrutinizing the
first 12. The current issue of the journal Meteoritics and
Planetary Science alone contains 19 papers on the Martian rocks.


Looking for Life in a Little Rock

The celebrity of Martian meteorites is the 4.5-billion-year-old,
potato-sized ALH84001, found in 1984 in the Alan Hills of
Antarctica.

(Image: ALH84001 is the meteorite that caused all of the
excitement about the possibility of life on Mars. (Jet
Propulsion Laboratory)

Scientists at NASA=92s Johnson Space Center made the stunning
announcement two years ago that they had found in it
microscopic, wormlike "nanofossils" that contained organic
molecules.

Most follow-up studies have weighed in against that claim, and
this week=92s papers were no exception.

"Orson Welles made us want to believe it," said Derek Sears,
editor of Meteoritics and Planetary Science at the University of
Arkansas at Fayetteville. But the evidence, Sears and others
say, tell the opposite
story.


Just Like the Moon?

Sears and colleagues at the University of Arkansas borrowed the
Johnson Space Center=92s high-powered microscope to look at moon
meteorites. The moon is dry, has never had an atmosphere, has
temperatures ranging from superhot or supercold an environment
impossible for life. Thus, moon meteorites shouldn=92t contain any
of the fossil-like structures.

(Image: A thin section of Chassigny meteorite, which fell in
France in 1815, shown in polarized light. (Johnson Space Center)

But Sears=92s team found them anyway.

"They=92re both the same size," Sears says. "They have the same
little quirks. Everything is there."

The finding argues that structures in meteorites both from the
moon and from Mars were created by some geologic process, not by
extraterrestrial bacteria.

The NASA scientists have also speculated that water trickling
slowly through porous rocks on Mars might have provided a
nourishing environment for bacterial life to take hold. But
another paper from in the journal says the carbonate molecules
found in ALH84001 were not deposited by a slow percolation
process, as hypothesized, but by a quick forcing of hot water
vapor through the rock.

"The crack in the rock seems to have closed up as the carbonate
grew," says lead author Edward Scott of the University of
Hawaii, indicating the rock was heated under high pressure =97 hot
enough to kill any bacteria. "It doesn=92t look as if grew slowly
from a solution," he says.


Geological Snapshots

Beyond the search for life, meteorites also allow planetary
geologists to trace Mars=92 volcanic history. Scientists know that
the 12 rocks come from three distinct dates of Martian history:
4.5 billion years ago, 1.3 billion years ago and 170 million
years ago, presumably blasted off the Martian surface by three
meteor impacts.

The mineral makeup of each rock reveals what minerals were
boiling beneath the surface at those times.

"If (the meteor) represents magma," says Jay Melosh, a planetary
scientist at the University of Arizona, "we can extrapolate what
kind of rock melted to produce it, because we=92ve already studied
what you get when you melt various types of rocks."

The validity of this procedure has been strengthened by another
paper in Meteoritics and Planetary Science. Michael Lipschutz
and his colleagues at Purdue University tested levels of 15 rare
elements, including gold, platinum and iridium, in the 12
meteorites.

Almost Pristine

What they found was that similar rocks always had similar
amounts of these rare elements. That indicates all are almost in
the same condition as when they formed on Mars.

"We looked at the elements that are most sensitive to heating,"
Lipschutz says. "Once you know those have not been affected, you
know the others haven=92t been either."

So far only a couple of labs have managed to get slivers of the
newest Mars meteorite, the only one owned by a private
collector. But researchers are hopeful that the anonymous owner
will allow the them to cuddle up with the latest chapter in the
Mars meteorite story.





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                  Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:23:21 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:03:22 -0400
Subject: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

www.abduct.com/aaer/n52.htm

News: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

I think this is a very effective prototype presentation of a
typical symbol as discovered and presented by Marilyn J. Ruben,
one of the Roswell Photo Interpretation Team (RPIT) analysts,
from within the Roswell debris photos taken in the 8th Air Force
HQ of General Roger Ramey on July 8, 1947.

Do you agree?

Do you have any suggestions for improvement in presentation?

Team coordinator for the International RPIT is Ron Regehr,
aerospace and satellite engineer and Associate Director, MUFON
Orange County.

James Bond Johnson






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              Arizona Flyover 3/13/97 without Number Crunching

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:07:33 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:59:29 -0400
Subject: Arizona Flyover 3/13/97 without Number Crunching


For a real eyewitness account and links that tell the story of
the March 13th, 1997 Flyover of Arizona, go to:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/phx31397.html =A0 =A0

=3D=3DDoc

News you missed?  Go to, and reload at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/






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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Perry Mick <bridgingworlds@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:39:31 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:37 -0700
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400

>>>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>>>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
>>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
>>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
>>in unscrupulous ways.

<snip>

>from: Larry Hatch

>Well said Mark! I was saving this one for a roast myself, but you
>stole my thunder. As I was going thru Cathie's books Harmonic 33
>and Harmonic 695 looking for sightings, I found one of his "grids"
>displayed. Using a handful of sightings, Cathie managed to make
>them align nicely .. but only by tilting the grid away from North-
>South alignment by so many degrees .. in some lonely part of the
>South Pacific.

>Martin Gardner (no friend of ufology) in his excellent column
>in Scientific American did a study of numerology, where somebody
>had proven quite simply that those "methods" are sufficiently
>versatile to "verify" ANY arbitrary group of numbers
>whatsoever!

>These could be the numbered streets having subway stops, lotto
>numbers .. anything.

>While not necessarily unscrupulous it is certainly dumb. It
>isn't "math" in the proper sense .. its more like taking your
>brains out and playing with them.

>Best wishes

>- Larry Hatch

The act of multiplying degrees X minutes X seconds absolutely makes no
sense. These guys can get any number they want by making the seconds
any number that makes their desired result come out. That's why you
will always see numbers like "57.28" seconds in their calculations.

This means they are defining locations down to the foot:

1 degree of latitude = 60 nautical miles = 6076 feet
1 minute of latitude = 1 nm
1 second of latitude = 101 feet
0.1 second of latitude = 10.1 feet
0.01 second of latitude = 1.0 foot





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                              Angel Hair Update

From: William Chalker <bchalker@ozemail.com.au>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:20:54 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:22:09 -0400
Subject: Angel Hair Update

Further to the messages re the Quirindi spectacle, I have
included some info.

I have spoken to some of the witnesses at length and hope to do
an on site investigation at a later date.  I have asked the
witnesses to put down their detail recollections and drawings.

At this stage the possible analyses that might occurr on what is
frankly a limited sample will take priority.

I will update with further information when to hand.

Regards,

Bill Chalker

UFOIC (UFO INVESTIGATION CENTRE)
P.O. Box W42,
West Pennant Hills,
NSW, 2125,
AUSTRALIA.
Voice: (Sydney) (02) 9484 4680

-------------------------------

ANGEL HAIR EVENTS -1998 & 1969
compiled by Bill Chalker

The "angel hair" UFO spectacle at Quirindi, New South Wales,
Australia, on 10 August, 1998, has now been the subject of
interviews and investigation. Moira McGhee of INUFOR spoke with
the family on the evening of 11 August and arranged for a sample
of the material, which had been sealed in a yoghurt container
with gladwrap and rubber band, to be despatched to her. It was
packed with a cardboard cover and securely sealed (we hope!).
Moira kindly made the sample available to me on Saturday 15
August. Bryan Dickeson of UFOR(NSW) also spoke with the family.
I have undetaken discussion with some specialists working with
me and we are attempting to arrange at least gas chromotography.
The determination of detector and column combinations has to be
determined. We may also try to undertake some micro video
imaging if the nature of the sample permits it. I have
discussed the incident at length with 2 of the witnesses. Mrs.
Eunice Stanfield told me that 2 strands of the material
originally about 3 feet long were put into the container. They
were "evaporating" and she indicated that prior to despatch the
material appeared to have reduced in volume to about the size of
a match had. Because of this we have cooled the sample. It is
currently held in a freezer. This will assist us to determine
if phase changes occur. Because of the severe sample
limitations we may only get one crack at this. I will advise
all concerned of any results. I have refrained from opening the
sample to facilitate needle sampling under control sampling
conditions, if this is determined as a viable option.

Apart from my physical trace interests the following account of
my own experience with apparent "angel hair" will serve to
highlight that I have more than a passing acquaintance with the
subject. Spiders web or something more exotic? We will have to
wait and see.

MANNA MATTERS - A personal encounter with "angel hair"?

August 30th, 1969, at Grafton :

  "Mid afternoon found me relaxing on a surfboard in the
middle of the Clarence River. I noticed streams of fine white
filament coming down (out of the sky) over the river. I was
immediately fascinated as this was a great opportunity to
directly sample what I took to be a good example of a natural
phenomenon. I took the streams to be the floating web of
migratory balloon spiders. I also knew that in UFO lore
material of a similar appearance was occassionally linked to
UFOs - namely "angel hair" - thought by some researchers to be a
by product of whatever strange processes powered flying
saucers. So that afternoon I paddled over to the riverbank
where large amounts of this "spider web" were coming down. I
felt that getting a good look at this stuff and keeping samples
would be a handy resource or a calibration for the unlikely
prospect of coming across alleged UFO related "angel hair" - an
exotic item of UFO physical evidence. What I was not prepared
for was the improbable. There in my hands was material that
did not quite fit into the migratory spider web category. There
were no tell tale baby spiders. As the baby spiders can quickly
detach themselves from the web, the absence of spiders did not
in itself intrigue me. What followed did. I began rolling up
a copious amount of the material in my hands. The filaments
diminished in size (not too unusual given the viscous changes
that can occur in those conditions, particularly with the
possible addition of water from my hands), and then the material
eventually dissipated into nothing visible and leaving no trace.
It gave the impression of rapid sublimation from solid to gas,
but no vapours or odour were noticed. The properties of spiders
web are well known, and apparently disappearing to touch is not
one of them! With the realisation that that I may be dealing
with something exotic I raced to a nearby residence to get some
sample jars. The fall of filaments had been quite profuse and
much of it had come down along the riverbank. When I returned
a few minutes later there was none in evidence. While only a
very light breeze was apparent, the topography was such that
spiders web should have been still in great profusion. I even
entered the water and investigated the riverbank for a
considerable distance in the direction of apparent travel.
There was no trace of the filament fall. The material did not
seem to be spiders web. So called "angel hair" had the
reported characteristic of quickly disappearing. Was this the
apocryphal "angel hair" - the "manna" of the saucers! Imagine
my chagrin when I subsequently found out that at the same time,
a number of Grafton people, including my own parents, had seen a
UFO, described by some as an elongated white mass", travelling
in a trajectory that would have passed over my river position
but in a direction at right angles to the aerial flow of
material I had witnessed. Perhaps the "UFO" may have been a
more compacted mass of the filaments I had seen travelling in a
different direction? While tantalising the experience was
ultimately frustrating. I had it right there in my own hands."





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                          Chat with Members of SPSR

From: Yvonne Hedenland <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:55:33 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:30:27 -0400
Subject: Chat with Members of SPSR


The Mysteries of Mars, Revisited

The study of Mars is an ongoing, never ending trial in the
search for extraterrestrial life.  From research on
artificiality at Cydonia to water filled craters to the
retrieval and examination of meterorites, the SPSR team
continues to look at the various clues in their pursuit of
information.

On Wednesday, August 19th, The Learning Channel will premiere a
new documentary entitled The Mysteries of Mars in which SPSR
members as well as Deepak Chopra, additional scientific
explorers and narrator Leonard Nimoy examine the progress to
date on our neighbor planet.

Join the UFO Forum and SPSR on August 18th at 6pm, PT for a
preview of what's in store as well as an update on The Case For
the Face.

This chat is available at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
name is #briefing.





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                 Re: UFO*BC Updates- Sightings On The Radio

From: Donald  Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:45:39 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:14:56 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO*BC Updates- Sightings On The Radio


>From: Bill Oliver <boliver@direct.ca>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO*BC Updates- Sightings On The Radio
>Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:53:19 -0700

>Check out the latest articles at UFO*BC.... http://www.ufobc.org
>Listen to us on "Sightings On The Radio" Tuesday, July 28 at 7:30
>pm Pacific Time for the latest BC reports  . . . . . Special
>guest . . . Palmiro Campagna, author of 'The UFO Files, The
>Canadian Connection Exposed'.

>Sightings On The Radio . . . .http://www.sightings .com

>[Ah, yes... Campagna. The man who maintains that Michalak saw
>high in the air, and was permanently damaged by, AVRO Aero-cars
>at Falcon Lake? Another UFO 'Expert'! Seeing 'The Truman Show'
>tonight - that's much more _real_ --ebk]

Not only that but he got the dates wrong on the Shag Harbour
Incident in the one paragraph he deemed sufficient to the cause.

Don Ledger





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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:06:37 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:24:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


Jim,

You're making some assumptions here.

First, you're assuming that the quantity of material found on
the ground represents the quantity released or created by the
UFO. What lands on the ground within sight of the witnesses may
represent only a minute fraction of what is actually released.

If one could "stand along side" the UFO, one might see the
stuff literally pouring out from, or off of the object.

So, lots of it could drift away, and still leave a sufficient
quantity for the witnesses below to find.

You're also assuming that the material is the same size as when
it left the UFO. It may be larger upon exit, which would would
give it a greater initial decent rate, but shrink considerably
as it decends.

Perhaps more UFOs release this material than we realize, but due
to the altitude it never reaches the ground at all.

Another assumption is that the UFO released it's material when
directly over the witnesses. It may have done so "upwind", which
would allow it to drift over and down to the witnesses'
location.

You also assume that turbulent air conditions were present
during the event. That's something that can be checked.

If a high pressure system is centered over an area, and the
lapse rate is low, there will be very little thermal-related
movement of the air, and very little wind, so any material
dropped would pretty much land underneath the source.

On the other hand, your assumptions may all be correct.

I hope we find out some day!

Greg





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                Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:50:26 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:24:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona


>From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:22:10 -0700 (MST)
>Fwd Dte: Sat, 15 aug 1998 19:32:59 -0400
>Subject: Re: Calculations on 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona

>This e-mail from Joe Schultz should clarify all of the number
>crunching concerning the 3/13/97 Flyover of Arizona.

>Dear Doc Barry:

>The triangular "object" ... that subsequently hovered over 7th
>Avenue and Indian School, originated from the Constellation
>of Sirius...

Dear Doc Barry, Joe Schultz and List:

1) Never heard of a constellation named "Sirius".

2) Obviously, whether a group of stars appear to hover or
not depends upon the movements of the viewer.

3) There have been a number of humerous, appropriate
responses to the numerology post.  Is it really necessary to
limit one's intellectual efforts to a scatalogical poem such as
the above?.

Jeez, folks, let's try to shed _light_ into the darkness.

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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:54:15 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:37:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:28:32 -0500
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:51 -0400
>>Subject:
>>To: updates@globalserve.net

>The following news story piqued my interest.

>(excerpts from http://www.newspage.com)

>===

>"Illinois has moved to discipline a prominent psychiatrist
>accused of convincing a patient that she was a cannibal who ate
>human flesh meatloaf, a child molester and the high priestess of
>a satanic cult."

<snip>

>The case sighted is an aberration. A 'one off' at best. It
>_assumes_ deception and intentional tampering/fraud on the part
>of "amateur hypnotists" who work with "abductees." It paints a
>picture of the average "abductee" as a mindless boob that can
>duped into believing anything, or as P. Klass has said, "little
>nobodys who only want to get on TV."

>I'm not like that. Neither is anyone else I've met so far. Yup,
>there's always a 'joker' in the deck. But for the most part, the
>people that I have met and communicated with come from all walks
>and economic strata of life. They are for the most part, honest,
>hard working family people that find themselves in the
>unsettling position of having to deal with something that isn't
>even supposed to exist.

>Studies/tests have already been conducted on abductees that have
>shown the test subjects to be no more 'crazy' or 'neurotic' than
>anyone else. (Myself included) It bothers me that -extreme
>examples- such as the one above are presented as somehow "valid"
>or applicable inquiries. I find them to be condescending and
>insulting in the extreme.


John -

I appreciate your forthright comment on this news story. However
I fear you have misunderstood my request.

The story represents something which allegedly happened. At this
point, I can't say we know for sure that it did happen as
alleged.

But if it did happen, it apparently took a psychological
professional in a hospital setting, using drugs as well as
hypnosis over an extended period of time, to accomplish putting
these false memories into the psyche of the patient. This is
obviously far beyond the resources of the amateur hypnotists who
have been involved in some of the more questionable abduction
work.

And yet, even despite the available resources, the patient
apparently came to her senses.

My curiosity was aroused. This seemed to suggest that even a
"brainwashed" patient could distinguish between imposed fantasy
and reality given the slightest chance.

Yet, I must admit that I cannot believe that all abduction cases
are descriptions of objectively existent events. Just as 70-90%
of all UFO cases represent a variety of errors, misperceptions
and outright lies, some percentage, as yet poorly delineated, of
abduction cases very likely also represent purely psychological
events, some of which are exacerbated by poor treatment by
unprofessional researchers.

So my intent was not to suggest that abductees in general were
nut cases or easily manipulated fools (and I thought I was clear
about this in the preamble to my questions), but simply to say -
if this event happened as described (i.e. the woman was
brainwashed into thinking these things but spontaneously came to
her senses) then what are the implications for the poorly
defined percentage of "psychological" abductions? Does this
happen to "psychological" abductees or not? If not, is it
because, unlike the cited case, the abduction remains impossible
to confirm (unlike being a cannibal in a small town, which the
patient realized would have become known to others long before)?

Further, is it another confirmation that it is far more
difficult than one might think for amateur hypnotists to
"implant" memories, given their lack of such extensive
facilities and the fact that they do not make any use of drugs?

And, finally, if the evidence suggests that manipulation by the
investigators is less likely to cause "psychological"
abductions, then do we need to look for other psychological
causes, such as those shown by sufferers of Munchausen's or
other factitious disorders?

John, these are serious questions to people such as myself who
remain fence-sitters on the objective reality of much of the
abduction case lore. As you know, I am very concerned about the
exposure of witnesses to investigators who force their cases,
particularly when it is possible that those cases may actually
be manifestations of some important psychological problem which
will not receive treatment due to the involvement of abduction
investigators in the problem. As an analyst, I am also very
concerned about the validity of abduction data, especially since
large and sweeping conclusions are being derived from that data.

>Sorry man, the example that you presented not only has no
>bearing to the abduction phenom, it has no bearing to anything
>other than the study of 'freak cases' of abuse. If you are
>suggesting that there is a correlation beween the above
>(freak/one off case) and abductees then I take umberage at your
>insinuation.

As I think I've shown above, it does have relevance to the
abduction question. We need to be looking at false memory
syndrome, factitious disorders, PTSD, and other psychological
phenomena, as well as the criminological record of forensic
hypnosis, if we are to determine the validity of the abduction
phenomenon, and the percentage of cases that represent a
potentially objectively existent event.

But I appreciate your concern, and I hope you will understand
from the above that my intent is far from what you were reacting
to.

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                     Re: UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:11:41 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:34:55 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Sightings Fell In Past Year


>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:25:29 +0200
>Subject: UK: Reported UFO Sightings Fell Dramatically In The Past Year


>Source: The Times of London.


>Ministry officials differed from UFO experts yesterday in
>explaining the decline. A ministry spokesman suggested that
>Hollywood was to blame. The unusually high 1996 figures had, he
>said, been prompted by the film Independence Day, with its story
>of aliens trying to destroy Earth. This was compounded by Men in
>Black, last year's film about aliens living on our planet.
>Similarly high numbers occurred after Close Encounters of the
>Third Kind in the late 1970s, when sightings rocketed from 435
>to 750.


I wonder if the MoD considered that more people were simply
looking up after seeing these movies. Looking up is a bit of a
prerequisite for UFO sightings, is it not?

Greg






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                     Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:43:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer

>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:53:42 EDT
>To: Updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'OscarMeyer Wiener' Connection!

>This is a true shame, because it seemed as if the mainstream
>media was just starting to take UFOs somewhat seriously. And
>what do we do when the spotlight is turned on us? Give them
>"experts" like Jim Dilettoso.

Kal, I think it needs to be pointed out that there is no "we".
I, at least, have never suggested the media go to anyone like
Dilettoso. I suspect that the media finds these people because
they are highly noisy and spend their time publicizing
themselves, something that the real workers in the field are far
too busy to take the time to do, or which they are unwilling to
do, because they have workday reputations they don't care to
have damaged by association with the fringe cultists, the
pseudo-scientific enthusiasts, or even simply because they don't
need the annoyance of dealing with the reputational bombardment
from the faithful debunker community.

Secondly, I must tell you that I profoundly disagree that these
hoax-busting extravaganzas are going to "purge" ufology of the
bad cases or bad workers. What I believe they will do is to
further polarize the external community between the
anything-goes-speculations of the unscientific "UFO specials"
and the debunker skepticism of the "skeptical societies". It
doesn't, however, present the real alternative, which is actual
historical and scientific work being done on UFOs by a variety
of dedicated amateurs and professionals. Now, I'd applaud you if
you had spent your resources on getting a program like that
made, but as for the other - well, you haven't actually helped
us, even if you'd like to think so.

I also want to comment on the frequently expressed idea that we
should somehow "throw out" the charlatans in this field. I have
yet to see an acceptable way for this to be accomplished. In the
US, we have the First Amendment, which rightly allows for the
publication of any opinion by any person. And at the same time,
I think we all know that within any particular faction of the
UFO community (which we could loosely break down into debunkers,
PSHers, secret weaponistas, paranormalists, religionists,
cultists, ETHers, OEHers, etc), there are those who are
acceptable and those who are not. I, for instance, classifying
myself as a nuts and bolts OEHer, give no credence to Hoagland
or Boylan, or a myriad of other non-scientific people. PSHers, I
suspect, are not interested in Jerry Clark's opinions, and, if
asked, they would probably not recommend him for inclusion in a
television program. That's how it works, and that's how its
going to continue to work until one or more of these loosely
defined areas of the UFOlogical map successfully attains
scientific (and _then_ mainstream) acceptability.

If the volume of physically oriented research on good cases
outweighed the crap being produced by the con-men and true
believers, then the chances that the disreputable and the
unscrupulous would have to look for work elsewhere would be
improved. That's why spending our time and effort primarily on
hoax-blasting, etc. is not only a waste of time - it's counter
productive. I think there are a very large number of cases out
there which could be the source for physically based research.
Reasonably good quantitative data could be extracted from
potentially hundreds of cases in the files of various
organizations. Instead, time is wasted on Roswell, on debunking
Meier, on revisiting Arnold with ever wilder misperception
theories... etc, etc, etc.

And if you think that exposing a hoax is a way to get the
uncritical to think critically, I suspect you are going to turn
out to be mistaken. It isn't that easy.

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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:01:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo


James Bond Johnson,

We have _no_ pictures or photos of the REAL debris from the
actual extraterrestrial space craft that crashed outside of
Roswell NM. The only pictures we do have are of the weather
balloon pile of _junk_ that General Ramey showed off in his
office!

That pile of junk in General Ramey's office was just that,
_junk_! It was a bunch of garbage that was quickly assembled
together to fool the public into thinking it was what really was
found in the desert. General Ramey told the press it was a
weather balloon that he was showing in his office and probably
most of the junk on the floor were just pieces of old balloons
and radar reflectors.

So, he did not lie when he said what was on the floor in his
office was only a weather balloon. On that account he was
telling the truth But he DID lie when he said or implied that
the junk on the floor of his office was the _real_debris_ that
was found in the desert.

Any common house fly has enough brains to realize that the
pictures of the _junk_ in his office show only a bunch of mixed
weather balloon garbage. He would _never_ have been _stupid_
enough to let the press take pictures of or look at _any_ debris
that could be from anything even similar to a downed UFO or
extraterrestrial space craft!

Many witnesses who saw the wreckage from the crash of flying
disk that crashed at Roswell were threatened, harassed, and told
never to tell anyone what they saw or they would be killed. Do
you seriously think that the real wreckage, which was so
classified that anyone who saw it must be threatened with death
if they told others about it, would be allowed to be
photographed by the press?

I _don't_ think so!

You have freedom of speech and can make all the claims you want
to make but it is obvious that the _junk_ in General Ramey's
office is just that. _Junk_.

From,
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                  Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:52:38 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:54:31 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:09:39 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UFO Updates List <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

<snip>

>Oh, and I seriously question you're eyesight is so good that you
>can use a magnifying glass as you said before, and with a glance
>establish what is in the photos and what isn't better than
>computer enhancements.

<snip>

With all due respect Dave Vetterick, this is where you are flat
out wrong. With a 16 x 20 print direct from the original
negative and a mediocre magnifying glass, and, most importantly,
an unemcumbered mind, one can see enough to know that any
intelligent image processing will never turn a collection of
crumpled foil backed paper, broken sticks, and sunburned
bladders into anything alien.

Processing artifacts, it is all a problem of processing
artifact. The digital processing shown in the website photos
mention in this thread only reveal to us the pernicious melding
of processing artifacts and prejudiced interpretation. What is
missing is scientific controls. Innocent sections of the same
photos with similar complexity and contrasts MUST be run through
the exact same processing as the suspect sections. The resulting
images must be compared to see if they indicate similar
structures. If they do, then all interpretations must be
discarded. This is a big part of the scientific method.

>Yesterday, I posted the full sequence of events, which lead up
>to taking another look at the photos as I understand them. In my
>opinion it's a valid reason and there is no hidden agenda or
>desire to be in the spot light on JBJ's part.

>Dave Vetterick

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                  Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:05:42 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:09:39 -0500
>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>To: UFO Updates List <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:48:25 -0500
>>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: C-E: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>>[Unfortunately, Fran neglected to Cc: UpDates a copy of
>>Bob Durant's response to a message posted to this List -
>>hence it being a couple of days old. --ebk]

 ________________________________________

>>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:11:13 -0500
>>From: Francis Ridge <slk@EVANSVILLE.NET>
>>Subject: Reply to Vetterick
>>To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM


>>On May 18, 1998 J. Bond Johnson posted on the Internet a
>>lengthy "news release" with the following extremely provocative
>>headline: "Air Force General Cleared of Fraud Charges as Roswell
>>'Balloon Switch' Story Shot Down by Modern High Tech Photos
>>Examination."

>>The "press release" was written as if a reporter had researched
>>the story and interviewed Johnson. Because it appeared to
>>originate with a professional journalist, this gave the story --
>>and J. Bond Johnson -- extra credibility.

>This is partially correct. It was written by JBJ, Ron Regehr
>(MUFON Orange County) and Debbie Stock. I suggest you look at
>Ron's site for the genesis of this.

>http://www.geocities.com/area51/Hollow/8827/symbols.html

So we have another "news" release written by the parties
involved, but written in the third person so that it seems that
someone else had put it together. Not exactly the height of
unethical behavior, but certainly a less than credible way to
operate.

>>To Roswell researchers, this was anything but news. Ten years
>>ago, Johnson, together with William Moore and Jaime Shandera,
>>had published articles insisting that the photos taken by
>>Johnson in General Ramey's office in 1947 showed not a radar
>>reflector, but real extraterrestrial debris. It requires no
>>special expertise to discern at a glance that the photos are of
>>a battered radar reflector, and nothing else. But the team of
>>Johnson, Moore and Shandera insisted otherwise, and managed to
>>waste a huge amount of the time of Roswell researchers before
>>the matter was laid to rest. Johnson faded from the scene.
>>Suddenly, here was Johnson again, with the "real debris" tale
>>resurrected.

>This is flatly not true. I said in my 8/9 post this was not
>true. You've ignored this and simply repeated the same false
>statement. Please substantiate this, or withdraw it. JBJ has
>never engaged in any writing or publishing any articles at any
>time with Moore or Shandera. They interviewed JBJ in 1989-90
>time frame and there has been no contact with either of them
>since. What evidence do you have that JBJ ever "proclaimed" or
>"insisted" the debris was the "real" debris back then?

In the let's split a hair category, we have this. It may be
exactly true that Johnson did not actually write the stories
that have the names of Moore and Shandera attached, he was
certainly there participating. I note pararenthetically that
Johnson has denied authoring the July 9, 1947 article in the
Star-Telegram that he had previously claimed to have written.
Johnson's name does not appear on a by-line with those written
by Moore and Shandera... but, both Moore and Shandera suggest in
the articles that Johnson had been consulted during the writing.

To answer the last point, I go back to the discussions I had
with Johnson in 1989 and 1990. During the last of those, he
wondered if he hadn't photographed the real debris, or some of
the real debris.

The story "Three Hours That Shook the Press," that appeared in
the June 30, 1990 edition of Bill Moore's focus, begins to
suggest that Johnson was in the room with some real debris.
While it is not clear from the article whether Johnson was also
making the claim, the point is that it was put into print in
1990. Couple that to the statements made by Johnson and we have
established that it is not a recent claim, but one that is eight
years old.

[snip of points that smack of hair splitting and self-admitted
sarcasm]

>>In the midst of this, we see Johnson claiming that Kevin Randle
>>misquoted him, Randle pulling out the tape recordings where
>>Johnson said precisely what Randle quoted him as saying, and,
>>most tellingly, Johnson never blinking. He still maintains that
>>Randle misquoted him!

>So what? This is a dispute between KR and JBJ which I hope they
>resolve. I'd even suggest a panel type debate with other
>qualified people could be held and clear this aspect of it up
>once and for all. It might even bring to light some new info.

So what?? This isn't really a dispute between JBJ and me, but an
illustration that even when he hears himself make the claims he
denies he made, he still accuses me of misquoting him.

And why do we need a panel to clear this up. JBJ told me many
things, now he says things that are vastly different. I have the
tapes, he said them. He denies it. The tapes prove the point.

>What has this got to do with your mis-statements.

>>Recently, Johnson sent word through a third party that he is
>>going to sue me. His message said he was filing a "federal
>>libel" suit, and that he needed an apology from me within a few
>>days because the statute of limitations in California was
>>forcing him to act quickly. This is pure J. Bond Johnson.
>>There is no such thing as a "federal" cause of action for libel.
>>The statute of limitations in California for libel, whatever it
>>is, is not measured in days. (I suppose he has hired the law
>>firm of Moore, Shandera and Collins to represent his interests.)

>This I'm told is also untrue. In any event it's not germane to the
>subject at hand.

Sure it is. It provides an insight into JBJ. He sent me a
somewhat veiled threat of legal action if I didn't retract my
claims about him.

> What IS germane is the comment above "This is pure J. Bond
>Johnson."  How can you make such a statement when you have
>NEVER met JBJ or had a conversation with him?

Yes you can when you have heard the tapes and read the articles
that he has produced. To take this argument to the logical
conclusion, we cannot, through history understand the thinking
of Abraham Lincoln because none of us ever met him. I submit
that his writings and interviews granted to others allows us to
make those sorts of judgements.

<snip of a discussion of the cost of photographs from Texas and
the value or destruction by JBJ of the Roswell story>

>>What is left is for Johnson's supporters to do their own
>>research into the photographs and into the allegations about
>>the University of Texas, and to listen to Randle's tapes.
>>Simply sniping at those who have done all of that, won't
>>suffice. Show us the "extraterrestrial debris" -- or shut up.

>Look at what's been made available. More is coming. The
>majority will decide if it's valid or not. Fabricating stories
>and half truths to support one's contentions is not acceptable.

Very true. Please communicate that to Johnson.

>>Finally, I did not say that J. Bond Johnson is senile. When
>>one looks at the record, one must wonder if there might be
>>something wrong with the fellow. But what I concluded is that
>>he is just a jokester, pulling everyone's leg. That is the most
>>charitable way to characterize him and his forays into
>>never-never land. If nothing else, I am a very charitable
>>fellow. But those who are close to J. Bond need to keep and eye
>>open and do what is right for the man.

>These type remarks are unfounded and not called for. You discredit
>yourself by first implying JBJ is senile, and saying you didn't, now
>you infer he's daft. You said in June :

>" He's pushing 80, and after a very full life, he finds himself
>sitting around worrying that the world has forgotten him and all
>his accomplishments. Senility is not the only deficit brought
>about by age."

>>I don't intend to engage in further correspondence on this
>>topic.

>>--Bob Durant

>If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

But why do we have to make the same claims time and again to
simply have them ignored as new people learn of the JBJ story.
Heat has nothing to do with it.

>Yesterday, I posted the full sequence of events, which lead up
>to taking another look at the photos as I understand them. In
my >opinion it's a valid reason and there is no hidden agenda or
>desire to be in the spot light on JBJ's part.

>Dave Vetterick

If he has no desire for the spotlight, then why is he posting
"news releases" about his photography in 1947? Why is he billing
himself as the "Roswell photographer?" Why do we keep running
into his name and his story when he has no desire for the
spotlight? Why does he believe it necessary to attack me and my
reporting of his statements if it is not to grab the spotlight?

It is clear from the statements of the people involved in the
1947 events, the photographs themselves, and the newspaper
stories from 1947 that the material in General Ramey's office
that was photographed was a weather balloon. And yes, I've
looked at the websites and I'm unimpressed but the stuff there.

Further, when I asked Jesse Marcel, Sr., about the quotes that
Johnson had attributed to him, I find that Jesse is suggesting
that he was misquoted...

KRandle








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                UFO Seminar near Washington DC on August 22nd

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:05:21 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:26:23 -0400
Subject: UFO Seminar near Washington DC on August 22nd

Information related to a one day UFO Seminar in the
Baltimore/Washington Metropolitan area has been placed on the
Fund for UFO Research web site:

www.fufor.org

Details regarding the Mysteries of the Skies '98 Event were
posted here last week, but if you missed that post, the
information can be found at the site listed above.

Steve






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                Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:12:45 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:32:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Calculations on 3/13/7 Flyover of Arizona

Dear Bob Young,

Many apologies for the humorous approach concerning the 3/13/97
event. And, we'll try to "shed light" on the matter, as you
mention.

I have a webpage devoted to the incident without any humor at
all. It's at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/phx31397.html

if you have any info to add concerning the incident, I'll be
happy to include it on that page. Sorry if the humor was
offensive. == Doc


News you missed? Go to, and reload at:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/5518/







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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:08:58 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 04:39:31 -0700
>From: Perry Mick <bridgingworlds@hotmail.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:43:37 -0700
>> From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>> To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>> >From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>> >Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400

>> >>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>> >>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>> >>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>> >>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97 :
>> >>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

> >>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
> >>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
> >>in unscrupulous ways.

> The act of multiplying degrees X minutes X seconds absolutely makes no
> sense.  These guys can get any number they want by making the seconds
> any number that makes their desired result come out.   That's why you
> will always see numbers like "57.28" seconds in their calculations.

> This means they are defining locations down to the foot:

> 1 degree of latitude = 60 nautical miles = 6076 feet
> 1 minute of latitude = 1 nm
> 1 second of latitude = 101 feet
> 0.1 second of latitude = 10.1 feet
> 0.01 second of latitude = 1.0 foot

Holy toledo! I missed that. They are multiplying degrees
TIMESminutes TIME seconds? Nobody does that. Utter bilge.

These are _added_ with the understanding that a minute is 1/60th
of a degree etc.) as in so many degrees PLUS some minutes PLUS
some seconds ... just like X Dollars plus Y cents.

One hallmark of numerology is the lack of understanding of math,
and in this case the essentials of arithmetic!

The numerologist dresses up his whacked-out theories in the
guise of calculations which may look impressive to the bumpkin..

They only impress those of equal or lesser means.

Best wishes

-  Larry Hatch








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                  Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:13:18 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:27:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Kal, I think it needs to be pointed out that there is no "we".
>I, at least, have never suggested the media go to anyone like
>Dilettoso. I suspect that the media finds these people because
>they are highly noisy and spend their time publicizing
>themselves, something that the real workers in the field are far
>too busy to take the time to do, or which they are unwilling to
>do, because they have workday reputations they don't care to
>have damaged by association with the fringe cultists, the
>pseudo-scientific enthusiasts, or even simply because they don't
>need the annoyance of dealing with the reputational bombardment
>from the faithful debunker community.

Hi Mark,

I am afraid I must disagree. I have witnessed many times when
reporters (me being one of them) have called UFO organizations
and various "name" researchers in this field only to be told
"hey, call Jim Dilettoso" and the irony of this is, having asked
some of these "researchers" myself what they think of Dilettoso
they will admit they don't believe half of what he says.

For many in the UFO field, and I think various internet postings
will confirm this, it was not important to them that Jim
Dilettoso was busily confabulating away in front of the national
media giving the UFO field another collective black eye --
instead, people were obsessed with the fact that UFOs "finally"
received the "national coverage they deserved."

In other words, for _some_ it is a belief system that they are
trying to desperately have confirmed in any way they can, for
other researchers they care very much about _who_ the messenger is
and _what_ that messenger has to say.

As long as Dilettoso says UFOs are real, and that almost every
case he studies is real, that's OK in many people's minds.
Nevermind the fact he's not qualified to make these analyses,
makes up his data, has forged government documents a la MJ12
stye and even claimed in writing he had a Ph.D., evidence again
that people like Deardorff ignore and various Meier and hardcore
UFO supporters and New Age types that Dilettoso tends to pony up
to."

>Secondly, I must tell you that I profoundly disagree that these
>hoax-busting extravaganzas are going to "purge" ufology of the
>bad cases or bad workers. What I believe they will do is to
>further polarize the external community between the
>anything-goes-speculations of the unscientific "UFO specials"
>and the debunker skepticism of the "skeptical societies". It
>doesn't, however, present the real alternative, which is actual
>historical and scientific work being done on UFOs by a variety
>of dedicated amateurs and professionals. Now, I'd applaud you if
>you had spent your resources on getting a program like that
>made, but as for the other - well, you haven't actually helped
>us, even if you'd like to think so.

Mark, with all due respect, I must disagree here again as well.

1) You have _not_ seen the upcoming Fox special, so you are
hardly in a position to make the claim that "it doesn't offer us
an alternative."

Oh yes it does, Mark, in fact, it _definitively_settles_ several
issues. Total resolution is about as complete as things get I
would say.

You should really wait to see a program before you begin to
critique it.

2) I also disagree that I am not "helping" the UFO field.
Anytime a UFO case's REAL explanation can be aired and conveyed
to the public, especially when they are frauds designed to make
money and rip off people, I would argue that this is a _good_
thing for the UFO field and the General Public as well.

3) Also, by explaining to people on _how_ and _why_ hoaxes that
have become so widely believed have been accepted, it helps
educate people and ideally, make them more picky and discerning
about the evidence they might accept as being "real."

4) I have and did spend both my own personal resources and Fox's
on this special. It was the least I could do and I feel honored
that Bob Kiviat had the right kind of faith in me and my
investigative abilities to do the assignments he asked of me for
the special.

>I also want to comment on the frequently expressed idea that we
>should somehow "throw out" the charlatans in this field. I have
>yet to see an acceptable way for this to be accomplished. In the
>US, we have the First Amendment, which rightly allows for the
>publication of any opinion by any person. And at the same time,
>I think we all know that within any particular faction of the
>UFO community (which we could loosely break down into debunkers,
>PSHers, secret weaponistas, paranormalists, religionists,
>cultists, ETHers, OEHers, etc), there are those who are
>acceptable and those who are not. I, for instance, classifying
>myself as a nuts and bolts OEHer, give no credence to Hoagland
>or Boylan, or a myriad of other non-scientific people. PSHers, I
>suspect, are not interested in Jerry Clark's opinions, and, if
>asked, they would probably not recommend him for inclusion in a
>television program. That's how it works, and that's how its
>going to continue to work until one or more of these loosely
>defined areas of the UFOlogical map successfully attains
>scientific (and _then_ mainstream) acceptability.

Mark, you are acting as if everyone in the UFO field belongs to
one big, happy and more or less unified family. This is not the
NFL or NBA where one can decide whether they want to interview
Dennis Rodman or Michael Jordan.

Where are the web sites that do not simply allow proven
hucksters to post things?

Where _was_ the outcry from the UFO field over how it was
probably not a good idea that Dilettoso misrepresent things on
national TV. Where were these researchers calling up the
reporters and getting in the face in an uproar over having con
artists "speak" for the UFO field??

They were _nowhere_ to be found, Mark, because _truth_ was _not_
an issue here, confirmation of their UFO "religious" belief
was!!

By comparison, if an official from the Air Force had stood up
and had garnered the share of press that Dilettoso did,
explaining that the lights Dilettoso ended up shooting himself
in the foot over were in fact military flares, the UFO field
would have used this as a "rallying cry" to descend on every
reporter everywhere, the White House, etc.

There's a double standard here, Mark, and is its one of the
reasons _why_ the UFO field is taken as a "joke" by mainstream
science.

Until its' members start acting more like scientists and are
_objective_, and _take_responsibility_ then I don't blame
science for continuing to distance itself.

I certainly would not want the UFO field's "standard of
evidence" being used to try and cure deadly diseases or run our
national defense -- we'd run the risk of wiping the whole planet
out in stupidity and assumptions and begin to think that photos
of rashes were "proof" of various diseases, etc. or that lights
we couldn't "explain" in the sky were incoming nuclear missiles
and we'd launch our arsenal in retalioation because "we know" --
and other such egotistical extrapolations that are simply not
logical.

I am all for the Consitution, freedom of speech and press, etc.,
but I remind all of you of a famous saying that basically says
that certain forms of silence are an endorsement.

This failure to speak up, and hold other accountable in this
field, is inexcusable. As I sadly concluded in my Roswell book
after observing that sad case and how the UFO field has screwed
it up for 16 years, the UFO field is often its' own worst enemy
and if it were to take an _honest_ look at itself in the mirror,
it would see that it has two black eyes and a hole in the head
-- all of which have been self-inflicted.

>If the volume of physically oriented research on good cases
>outweighed the crap being produced by the con-men and true
>believers, then the chances that the disreputable and the
>unscrupulous would have to look for work elsewhere would be
>improved. That's why spending our time and effort primarily on
>hoax-blasting, etc. is not only a waste of time - it's counter
>productive. I think there are a very large number of cases out
>there which could be the source for physically based research.
>Reasonably good quantitative data could be extracted from
>potentially hundreds of cases in the files of various
>organizations. Instead, time is wasted on Roswell, on debunking
>Meier, on revisiting Arnold with ever wilder misperception
>theories... etc, etc, etc.

Mark, your desire and goals are certainly well-intentioned, but
the world of TV does _not_ work that way. TV wants it "yesterday"
and the subject of _this_ specific special was _hoaxes_ so any other
scope is irrelevant.

I hope I certainly don't have to tell you this again, but I am
and have been working very quietly on other cases, ones that
have me stumped at the moment, I gladly admit. But until I can
pick up the phone and say "Hey, NBC, here's a UFO case you have
to cover" I won't do so.

I know lots of media reporters and producers and can get on TV
myself pretty much when I want to. This has been the case for
more than 20 years now as a young kid. However, I am always
careful and choose my appearances and do not believe in being in
the media just for the sake of it.

If you have some "smoking gun cases," let me know and I will
start making the phone calls to Hollywood. And this offer is
open to everyone.

For those who complain the media "ignores" them, show me the
hard proof and I will get you more attention than you can
imagine.

So far, Mark, there's NO takers!!

Gee, wonder why??!!

Besides, until a _real_ 'UFO' case comes along that is
_undeniably_ of ET origin and occupies all of my time, how am I
supposed to keep my "mucho macho Ufology skills" in tact if I
don't open up a can of "Whip Ass" on occasion and unleash it on
the hoaxsters?? :-)

But seriously, after this Fox special airs, I would strongly
urge everyone to ask themselves this question: "If it weren't
for this special, would I know that all of these famous cases
are hoaxes?"

The answer of course is an irrefutable _no_...since several are
solved for the FIRST time ever, and I would argue this makes the
special worth it and a necssary one for the field.

>And if you think that exposing a hoax is a way to get the
>uncritical to think critically, I suspect you are going to turn
>out to be mistaken. It isn't that easy.

I have never said that this special is a "cure all" for the very
sad fact that critical thinking is not a skill that many people
excel at. However, I refer back to my previous stance on this
issue in that I think it is _always_ a good thing to separate
the fact from the fiction, in any subject, and that by showing
people how and why these hoaxes are done it educates them and
hopefully makes them more discerning.

And from what I can tell, the UFO field needs a huge booster
shot in the "Think Critically" department, that's why I use that
slogan throughout my new web site, etc.

Thanks for your insights and comments, Mark,

Sincerely yours,
Kal Korff





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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:28:29 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:37:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo


>From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>So, he did not lie when he said what was on the floor in his
>office was only a weather balloon. On that account he was
>telling the truth But he DID lie when he said or implied that
>the junk on the floor of his office was the _real_debris_ that
>was found in the desert.

How do you know, William, that Ramey "lied" when he said this was the debris
that Major Marcel had recovered? Can you supply this list with DEFINITIVE
EVIDENCE BEYOND DISPUTE?

>Many witnesses who saw the wreckage from the crash of flying
>disk that crashed at Roswell were threatened, harassed, and told
>never to tell anyone what they saw or they would be killed. Do
>you seriously think that the real wreckage, which was so
>classified that anyone who saw it must be threatened with death
>if they told others about it, would be allowed to be
>photographed by the press?

William, what _hard_evidence_ do you have that Roswell
"witnesses" were threatened with death, etc?

Please supply this list with definitive, hard evidence that is
_beyond_ dispute so that this whole matter and what Mr. Bob
Johnson is saying can be settled for good.

Lastly, are you a Roswell 'believer' and do you think this could
have _anything_ to do with your explanations here?

Looking forward to reading what this evidence is,

Respectfully yours,

Kal Korff





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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:07:22 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:47:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

William Hand:

Thank you for your response re. the etiology of the Roswell
'flying saucer' debris, which I photographed in General Ramey's
office on July 8, 1947. I have seriously and diligently tried to
locate _any_ evidence that the debris I photographed was anything
_other_ than the debris gathered up by Major Marcel on the ranch
near Roswell. I have been totally unable to unearth _any_ evidence
whatsoever to support the 'balloon switch' theory.

I have had conversations at length with the only two other
individuals still living who saw and actually touched the debris
- Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr., Irving Newton. Jesse Jr. recalls that
his dad told him that at least some of the debris in General
Ramey's office was the "real stuff" and Irving Newton says there
is no doubt in his mind that the debris he saw and examined in
Ramey's office was the same that Marcel brought from New Mexico.
Newton also told me that Marcel followed him around the
general's office that afternoon trying to get him to examine
closely the symbols on some of the "sticks" that Marcel believed
were "not of this world".

I also have discussed this point carefully and at length with
several of the major Roswell writers, including Stan Friedman,
Kevin Randle, Bill Moore and Philip Klass. None of them have
advanced ANY real evidence that there was any 'switch' or
'dummying' of the real Roswell debris.

Marcel's role in the Roswell Event apparently was not fully
reported until he was interviewed by Stan Friedman and Bill
Moore about 30 years later. This is reported in 'The Roswell
Incident', written by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz, and
published in 1980. In that account Marcel was asked:

"Do you think that what you saw was a weather balloon?"

Marcel replied:

"It was not. I was pretty well acquainted with most everything
that was in the air at that time, both ours and foreign. I was
also acquainted with virtually every type of weather-observation
or radar tracking device being used by either the civilians or
the military. It was definitely not a weather or tracking
device, nor was it any sort of plane or missile. What it was we
didn't know. We just picked up the fragments. It was something I
had never seen before, or since, for that matter. I didn't know
what it was, but it certainly wasn't anything built by us and it
most certainly wasn't any weather balloon." (page 72.) As far as
I know Marcel never changed that statement.

Later in the Moore-Berlitz book Marcel says:

"...that next afternoon we loaded everything into a B-29 on
orders from Colonel Blanchard and flew it all to Fort Worth...
Just after we got to Carswell, Fort Worth, we were told to bring
some of this stuff up to the General's office - that he wanted
to take a look at it. We did this and spread it out on the floor
on some brown paper." (I certainly can vouch for that statement,
William, since I helped to spread it out on the general's carpet
in trying to pose a decent photo of the junk.)

Marcel continued: "What we had was only a very small portion of
the debris - there was a whole lot more. There was half a
B-29-full outside. General Ramey allowed some members of the
press in to take a picture of this stuff. They took one picture
of me on the floor holding up some of the less interesting
metallic debris... the stuff in that one photo was pieces of the
actual stuff we had found. It was not a staged photo." (pages
74-75.) (Actually, I took two pictures of Marcel, which have
been reproduced in numerous books published since that time. No
other pictures have surfaced of him.)

The 'balloon switch' story apparently stemmed from an additional
comment from Marcel:

"Later, they cleared out our wreckage and substituted some of
their own. Then they allowed more photos.... I was not in these.
I believe there were taken with the General and one of his
aides." (page 75.) It is obvious that the intervening 30 years
had dimmed the memory of Marcel. A close observation of the
photos I took of him, General Ramey and Colonel Dubose all
clearly show the _same_ debris displayed just as I had posed it.
There was NO switch of ANY of the material.

So, William, unless you or someone else has some real _evidence_
to the contrary - not just speculation - I am afraid that the
'balloon switch' fable must remain just that.

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             Putnam County - Nuwaubian Commune Awaits Spaceship

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:50:53 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:03:42 -0400
Subject: Putnam County - Nuwaubian Commune Awaits Spaceship

Source: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

http://www.accessatlanta.com/community/1998/08/16/nuwaubian.html

Links are preceded by asterisks.

Stig

*******

Nuwaubian Commune Awaits Spaceship, Puzzles Locals In Rural
Putnam County

By Patricia J. Mays,
The Associated Press


Eatonton, Ga. -- A huge white pylon with paintings of Egyptian
pharaohs juts out of the red clay of middle Georgia, conspicuous
among the miles of pines, dairy farms and mobile homes.

Within the gated commune behind the pylon, members of the United
Nuwaubian Nation of Moors hustle around replicas of Egyptian
pyramids and a Sphinx. The group's leader claims he's a being
from another galaxy and promises that ships are going to descend
from the sky in the year 2003 to pick up a chosen 144,000 people
for a rebirth.

Until then, this 476-acre rural Putnam County site will remain
what the Nuwaubians refer to as the "Little Egypt of the West,"
their safe-haven away from the problems that plague the outside
world.

The commune, which is guarded around the clock by an armed
security officer, is just down the road from Eatonton -- the
birthplace of storyteller Joel Chandler Harris, creator of Uncle
Remus, and Alice Walker, author of "The Color Purple."

Some residents of the community, known as Georgia's dairy
capital, say the Nuwaubians worry them, but most are just
puzzled by their neighbors.

"We've never seen anything like it before, so naturally you're a
little apprehensive," said Doris Larman, 70, whose family owns a
151-acre dairy farm nearby. "It's really strange for this part
of the country."

Mrs. Larman's husband, William, shakes his head, rears back in
his rocking chair and lets out a big laugh. "I've seen the
spaceship," he says jokingly.

The Nuwaubians abhor when people call the group a cult or refer
to their community as a compound, terms that come easily to many
residents of this farming community about 40 miles northeast of
Macon. The group prefers to be called a fraternal organization.

"We're one big family to everyone that wants to be part of our
family, that wants to get away from the drugs and wants to get
away from the children being shot. We want to get away from all
that and create a safe environment," said Thomas Chism, a
Seventh Day Adventist and 52-year-old electrician who lives on
the commune with his wife and three young children.

The Nuwaubians came to Putnam County from New York in 1993, when
their leader, Malachi York, purchased a game ranch. Calling
themselves the "true Native Americans," the members claim to be
the descendants of Egyptians who "came over here thousands of
years ago as the original Nuwbuns."

Their members are said to be comprised of all races and faiths,
and most of them believe in UFOs.

According to the group's Internet site, the rebirth will allow
them to become supreme beings.

"It is so absurd," said Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills. "You
have a man that preaches he's God and a spaceship's coming. ...
In my opinion, their only purpose is to perpetuate the wealth,
well-being and prosperity of one Dwight York."

Dwight York is the name on the deed of the property, but York
says his true name is Malachi. He bills himself as an
entrepreneur, musician, writer and former pastor.

Inside the complex, Nile River Road stretches between two rows
of statutes of Egyptian royalty. Dominating the site are two
pyramids that stand about 30 feet tall, visible from the
two-lane road that winds past.

A gold pyramid serves as a mini-mall, complete with a bookstore
and apparel store. A four-column brown pylon marks the beginning
of a winding labyrinth that leads to the entryway of the black
pyramid, which serves as a church. Inside, an Egyptian-like
chant hums over speakers 24 hours a day. The floors are covered
with sand.

The group's lodge, an elaborately painted white building trimmed
in gold, doubles as a museum that houses artifacts ranging from
busts of King Tut and Queen Nefertiti to a glass tomb holding an
alien-like creature with a huge head and bulging eyes. A white
obelisk, gold lamp posts, and stone animals make up a small
African-like garden outside.

Dale Sparks, 48, who owns a convenience store down the street,
believes the group's behavior is reminiscent to Heaven's Gate,
whose 39 members committed mass suicide in 1997 in Rancho Santa
Fe, Calif.

"I think it's a cult. Anybody that thinks a spaceship's coming
down and get 'em in 2003 can't be anything else," Ms. Sparks
said.

Members say they pay no dues and are free to come and go as they
please. And they insist that suicide is not in their plans.

"We don't believe in suicide or anything that's harmful to
humanity," said Wendell Hardaway, 32.

About 100 Nuwaubians live in single-wide mobile homes neatly
aligned in a row behind the Egyptian-like architecture. They've
had minor run-ins with local law enforcement mostly stemming
from zoning violations.

The sect's grounds supervisor was fined $45,750 for operating a
dance club in an area zoned as agricultural.

"If they get ready to build a building they just build it. They
don't get a permit," Sills said.

Now, the group is hoping to have part of the site designated as
commercial so they can open up a theme park.

Besides zoning issues, there have been relatively few problems
with the group, Sills said. Still, they make him uneasy.

"Now you tell me what a piece of property with armed guards at
the gate, with an individual who proclaims to be God in the
flesh who openly proclaims that a spaceship will be arriving to
take 144,000 people away to the planet Rizq is. I ask you, is
that not a cult?" he said.

Chism acknowledges his own skepticism about the prospects of a
spaceship coming to pick them up, but he's ready just in case.

"If it doesn't come, I'll still be here," he said. "If it comes,
I hope it takes me. I'd like to get out of here, see what's up."


*PHOTO GALLERY

Take a *virtual tour of the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors through
the work of Associated Press photographer John Bazemore.

*The Nuwaubian Nation's web site.


=A9Copyright 1998 Cox Interactive Media





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                            Where is Macrihanish?

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:18:57 +0200 (MET DST)
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:19:39 -0400
Subject: Where is Macrihanish?


Hi List,

Next week my girlfriend and I are going to Scotland for a brief
holiday and we've rented a car to tour the country.

We're starting out from Edinburgh and we plan to go West from
there.

We have no fixed destination and I was thinking would it be
feasible to drive in the direction of the 'secret' base of
Macrihanish. But I don't know where the base is.

Does anybody of you know where it is?

Thanks a lot.



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                      hvdp@worldonline.nl

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                   Quirindi, New South Wales 'Angel Hair'

From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:26:51 +1000
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:00:18 -0400
Subject: Quirindi, New South Wales 'Angel Hair'


Keith Basterfield Network Australia
tkbnetw@fan.net.au

Keith Basterfield Network Australia
tkbnetw@fan.net.au

Hi everyone,

We have a sample in a jar

The 'Angel Hair' UFO spectacle at Quirindi, New South Wales,
Australia, on 10 August, 1998, has now been the subject of
interviews and investigation.

Moira McGhee of INUFOR spoke with the family on the evening of
11 August and arranged for a sample of the material, which had
been sealed in a yoghurt container with Gladwrap and rubber
band, to be dispatched to her. It was packed with a cardboard
cover and securely sealed (we hope!).

Moira kindly made the sample available to me on Saturday 15
August.

Bryan Dickeson of UFOR(NSW) also spoke with the family.

I have undertaken discussion with some specialists working with
me and we are attempting to arrange at least gas chromotography.

The determination of detector and column combinations has to be
determined. We may also try to undertake some micro video
imaging if the nature of the sample permits it.

I have discussed the incident at length with 2 of the witnesses.
Mrs. Eunice Stanfield told me that 2 strands of the material
originally about 3 feet long were put into the container. They
were "evaporating" and she indicated that prior to despatch the
material appeared to have reduced in volume to about the size of
a match had. Because of this we have cooled the sample. It is
currently held in a freezer.

This will assist us to determine if phase changes occur. Because
of the severe sample limitations we may only get one crack at
this.

I will advise all concerned of any results.

I have refrained from opening the sample to facilitate needle
sampling under control sampling conditions, if this is
determined as a viable option.

Apart from my physical trace interests the following account of
my own experience with apparent 'Angel Hair' will serve to
highlight that I have more than a passing acquaintance with the
subject.

Spiders web or something more exotic? We will have to wait and
see.

Will keep you all informed.



Thank you very much for the report,

Bill Chalker & Moria McGhee
INUFOR Australia.
&
Bryan Dickeson
UFOR(New South Wales)


Regards Diane Harrison
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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:08:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:15:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:37:18 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 03:28:32 -0500
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

>>Sorry man, the example that you presented not only has no
>>bearing to the abduction phenom, it has no bearing to anything
>>other than the study of 'freak cases' of abuse. If you are
>>suggesting that there is a correlation beween the above
>>freak/one off case) and abductees then I take umberage at your
>>insinuation.

>John,

>I would also point out the fact that a percentage of abductees
>report conscious recall of their abductions. This is rarely
>mentioned to the public by skeptics, calling their motives into
>question yet again, since that would force them to abandon the
>"hypnotically planted memory" hypothesis.

It is the 'consciously recalled' (over a lifetime) bits and
pieces that allowed me (and many others) to "make the
connection" when finally confronted with the reported facts of
alien abduction.

In addition, "alien intervention/abduction" is -the only thing-
that I have I have ever encountered in my almost fifty years of
life that not only explains -all- of the odd bits of memory and
life experience... it's the only thing that fits it to a tee!
Some folks would rather 'assume' that we're all mentally
deficient or weak and that we have been deluded or manipulated
by others, than consider the possibility that we may actually be
reporting/telling the simple truth of our experiences to the
best of our ability.

The reality of this situation is that it shatters the world view
of anyone who experiences it, and it 'threatens' the world view
of anyone who gives it serious consideration. The "truth" that
is being told by those reporting alien abduction/intervention is
not a very palatable one.

>Additionally, skeptics rarely mention the physical evidence
>apparent on so many abductees,

To my mind and experience, the "physical evidence" of abduction
would probably be the most fruitful and _telling_ avenue of
inquiry that could be persued by a serious researcher(s). It
would produce the most bang for each research buck invested.

I have been contacted (independently of each other) by several
physicians (one internist, one radiologist, and one neurologist)
because they had visited the Intruders Foundation website and
their curiosity had been piqued by the photo gallery of physical
marks, bruises and scars that is on display there.

Check this out; they were all intrigued by _not_only_ the number
of 'scoop marks' (what _they_ identified as a "punch biopsy")
but they were really interested in the fact that all of these
'scoop marks' (punch biopsies) appeared over _perfectly_healthy_
tissue! When I inquired, I was told that a "punch biopsy" is,

1. Not used very often, there are easier/less intrusive ways of
obtaining tissue samples, and,  . . .

2. on the rare occasion that a "punch biopsy" is performed, it's
done to either test suspect tissue for cancer/disease, or even
rarer, for the purposes of gathering tissue for DNA/genetic
testing! As trained physicians they are used to seeing such a
scar (on the odd occasion when they do see one) over a
discolored or diseased patch of skin.

I informed the good doctors that _none_ of the people whose
photos they had studied had ever had a "punch biopsy" performed.
At least not by any "earthly" physician! This whole area of
inquirey into the physical aspects of reported abduction cases
could provide answers quickly if properly investigated. No-one's
doing it.

>Some skeptics have advanced the theory (desperate for any
>alternative to alien abduction) that the scars and scoop marks
>found on some abductees can be attributed to psychosomatic
>effects, that somehow the person's own brain is causing the skin
>to produce the marks.

Yeah, right! All of a sudden out of the blue we have thousands
of 'stigmatics' that are psychosomatically producing a 1/8 to
1/4 inch crater in their own skin. I always thought that
'stigmata' and 'stigmatics' were confined to; a. Christian
Westerners, and involved the reproduction of the wounds of
Christ. Now all of a sudden these guys want to create a 'new'
catagory of 'stigmata' in a weak attempt to _dismiss_ any
potential physical evidence for alien intervention. That's one
proposition that they will not consider under _any_
circumstances.

BTW, I'm not talking about 'honest' skeptics here. Only those
who are willing to entertain _anything_ as long as it's not
what we're telling them it is! <G> (Closed minded)

>This is absurd, and I'd like to see even
>one study that shows this to be possible. Unless it can be
>demonstrated repeatedly with predictable results, skeptics have
>no business citing it as a cause.

They can't "cite" anything, because no-one has ever conducted
such a study.

>As for my opinion on the subject....jury's still out. So far,
>the skeptic's answers don't explain all the evidence. Until they
>can come up with better ones, I lean toward the ETH for some
>cases.

>Greg

They ask for physical evidence but no-one looks for it!
Amazing.

To tell you the truth Greg, I don't give a rats ass if anyone
"believes me" or not. I am doing what my conscience dictates/
demands of me. I pride myself on being an honest and responsible
man all of my adult life. What is happening to myself and my
family today could be happening to you and yours tomorrow. I
have nothing to lose, and I couldn't live inside my own skin if
I kept my mouth shut because I was afraid of riducule or didn't
want to get involved. It would be irresponsible. It would be
unpatriotic! And I mean that in the sense of Humanity not
nationalism. When someone _finally_ funds/conducts an
investigation into the reported physical aspects of this
phenomenon, the sound of the 'other shoe' resoundingly hitting
the floor will not be far behind! <G> I really believe that.

Peace,

John


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                  More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:38:11 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:38:11 -0400
Subject: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400

>Back in mid May this year, a press release surfaced on the
>Internet saying that the famous news photos taken in the 8th Air
>Force office of Brigadier General Roger Ramey on July 8, 1947
>may in fact show actual wreckage brought directly from Roswell
>that afternoon by Major Jesse Marcel. These are classic photos
>seen in just about every book covering Roswell.

Dear list,

Using the combined high-tech imaging tools of Photoshop 4.0 and
JASC Software, we at FSG have been able to uncover some startling
enhancements of what may very well be an alien language/symbol in
not just the alleged Roswell crash debris, but also on Col.
Marcel's forehead, shirt collar, and on the curtain behind him!

Please see the attached .JPG.


Sincerely,

-Scott C. Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica

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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: "Jeff Westover" <jeff.westover@mailexcite.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:34:43 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:55:18 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
>To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400

>>Back in mid May this year, a press release surfaced on the
>>Internet saying that the famous news photos taken in the 8th Air
>>Force office of Brigadier General Roger Ramey on July 8, 1947
>>may in fact show actual wreckage brought directly from Roswell
>>that afternoon by Major Jesse Marcel. These are classic photos
>>seen in just about every book covering Roswell.

>Dear list,

>Using the combined high-tech imaging tools of Photoshop 4.0 and
>JASC Software, we at FSG have been able to uncover some startling
>enhancements of what may very well be an alien language/symbol in
>not just the alleged Roswell crash debris, but also on Col.
>Marcel's forehead, shirt collar, and on the curtain behind him!

>Please see the attached .JPG.

>Sincerely,

>-Scott C. Carr
>Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
>http://www.erols.com/sardonica

>Producer, "UFO Desk"
>99.5 FM WBAI, NY


I think that the symbol Scott has ingeniously discovered is an
alien glyph that reads either "junk is junk" or "recycle
please". I'm inclined to believe that the latter translation is
most correct given the subject matter.

Jeffrey S. Westover







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                  Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:53:46 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:05:42 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>Further, when I asked Jesse Marcel, Sr., about the quotes that
>Johnson had attributed to him, I find that Jesse is suggesting
>that he was misquoted...

>KRandle


Uh, Kevin, BTW, unless you have gotten up with a good trance medium
I think you have been talking to Jr. not Sr.

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             Keith Basterfield Network: Australia - Introduction

From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:40:13 +1000
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:48:12 -0400
Subject: Keith Basterfield Network: Australia - Introduction

Keith Basterfield Network Australia
tkbnetw@fan.net.au


Hi World this is Australia calling,

I thought I would introduce myself.

My name is Diane and I am the manager of the Keith Basterfield
Network which is not unlike Skywatch and UFO UpDates - Toronto
but a lot _smaller_.

If you would like to know more about sightings in and around
Australia, or anything about what is happening here, you might
like to drop me a line.

E-mail tkbnetw@fan.net.au. I will be more than happy to find out
for you.

At present we have 50 UFO Researchers & Groups talking to each
other. This network was made to help our Australian Independent
UFO Researchers & Groups, giving them another avenue of
communication like you do.

You have already been receiving reports from the likes of Paul
Jackson in Tasmania, Robert Frola QLD, William Chalker NSW,
Moira McGee NSW, and many more. These people are all on the
Network and working together.

And Wow isn't it working well - 'Angel Hair' Investigation. Four
groups all working together.

The Network is named in Honour of Keith Basterfield for his 20
years in UFO research.

He believed in 'Sharing is Caring' and thats what we are try to
do here in Australia.

The Truth Is Out Here in Australia and we are out here looking
for it too.

Happy Posting :>) Sharing is Caring

Regards Diane Harrison






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From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:52:49 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:05:42 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

<snip>

>If he has no desire for the spotlight, then why is he posting
>"news releases" about his photography in 1947? Why is he billing
>himself as the "Roswell photographer?" Why do we keep running
>into his name and his story when he has no desire for the
>spotlight? Why does he believe it necessary to attack me and my
>reporting of his statements if it is not to grab the spotlight?

>It is clear from the statements of the people involved in the
>1947 events, the photographs themselves, and the newspaper
>stories from 1947 that the material in General Ramey's office
>that was photographed was a weather balloon. And yes, I've
>looked at the websites and I'm unimpressed but the stuff there.

>Further, when I asked Jesse Marcel, Sr., about the quotes that
>Johnson had attributed to him, I find that Jesse is suggesting
>that he was misquoted...

>KRandle


Kevin,

I agree with you 100%. Bond Johnson shows all the signs of
having become a "publicity hound" on this matter. I am getting
his e-mail "press releases" all the time, and they just natter
on about the same old stuff.

The photos DO show weather balloon debris. That is ALL they
show.

To imply otherwise just wastes people's time and creates yet
another booth in this sideshow.

Bob







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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:05:43 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:51:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo


>From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>James Bond Johnson,

>We have _no_ pictures or photos of the REAL debris from the
>actual extraterrestrial space craft that crashed outside of
>Roswell NM. The only pictures we do have are of the weather
>balloon pile of _junk_ that General Ramey showed off in his
>office!

>That pile of junk in General Ramey's office was just that,
>_junk_! It was a bunch of garbage that was quickly assembled
>together to fool the public into thinking it was what really was
>found in the desert. General Ramey told the press it was a
>weather balloon that he was showing in his office and probably
>most of the junk on the floor were just pieces of old balloons
>and radar reflectors.

>So, he did not lie when he said what was on the floor in his
>office was only a weather balloon. On that account he was
>telling the truth But he DID lie when he said or implied that
>the junk on the floor of his office was the _real_debris_ that
>was found in the desert.

>Any common house fly has enough brains to realize that the
>pictures of the _junk_ in his office show only a bunch of mixed
>weather balloon garbage. He would _never_ have been _stupid_
>enough to let the press take pictures of or look at _any_ debris
>that could be from anything even similar to a downed UFO or
>extraterrestrial space craft!

>Many witnesses who saw the wreckage from the crash of flying
>disk that crashed at Roswell were threatened, harassed, and told
>never to tell anyone what they saw or they would be killed. Do
>you seriously think that the real wreckage, which was so
>classified that anyone who saw it must be threatened with death
>if they told others about it, would be allowed to be
>photographed by the press?

>I _don't_ think so!

>You have freedom of speech and can make all the claims you want
>to make but it is obvious that the _junk_ in General Ramey's
>office is just that. _Junk_.

>From,
>William


You said it, man. That is just a pile of junk. There are no
symbols, no real debris, no nothing. This is just another case
of people deluding themselves into seeing things that aren't
there, and just another prolonged waste of time.

I can understand Bond Johnson's desire to be the 'real' Roswell
photographer, but he is just going to have to live with the fact
that he was not and never saw the real stuff.

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                    Box Hill, Shockerwick & Rudloe Manor

From: Rod Howarth <RHow159900@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:19:09 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:26:31 -0400
Subject: Box Hill, Shockerwick & Rudloe Manor


Please find below an article taken from the Pendle, Hyndburn,
UFO Network's Magazine, Down To Earth. Uploaded with permission.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Note both PHUFON and ELUFON have a magazine called 'Down To Earth'
but both are separate publications.

The article below was taken from the Pendle, Hyndburn UFO
Network's magazine Down To Earth, Volume 1, Issue 4.


The Box Hill Tunnel:
An Anoraks Paradise Or A Passage To Narnia
by Rory Lushman

The box hill tunnel is situated on the Great Western region of
our ever decreasing rail network. This tunnel can be found in
Wiltshire, a county that many ufologists head for in the summer
months in their quest for a fix and that fix being - crop
circles. Many would claim that Wiltshire is the focal point for
UFO activity in the UK. The Wiltshire soup consists of, ancient
sites, military bases and "unusual events", all mixed together
to form one mighty weird county or so we are led to believe by
the UFO paranoia sweeping the county.

Now, how could a railway tunnel be caught up in all this
weirdness. The Box Hill Tunnel is 1 mile, 1452 yards long and is
situated on the Chippenham to Bath line. Matthew Williams has
been looking into this tunnel; it's dark. I have emailed Matthew
a few times and some of his comments have helped me. I would
like to thank Matthew for putting up with my questions. Matthew
told me that there is a secret tunnel that goes to Rudloe Manor
from within the Box Tunnel.

Now let's assume just for the minute that there was a tunnel
within the tunnel. How would access be gained off the main-line.
It would take a set of points to steer the offending train into
said tunnel. Speculation has it that the "secret" entrance is
accessed from the London side or Thingley Junction side of the
tunnel. If a train was approaching from the London end, it would
need to cross over onto the adjacent line and then come off at
the points. Trains drive on the left, just as we do on the
roads, there are exceptions to this but the left side rule is
the norm.

So given that the train approaches on the left line as you look
at the tunnel, it would traverse a set of points, then leave
into the secret tunnel via another set of points. Now, what
happens when the train leavesthe location. Basically it can only
go out the way it came in, back towards London. If it was
required to go in the direction of Bath, it would either have to
reverse out of the tunnel, then traverse another set of points
to enable it to get back on the left track or the locomotive
would have to run around its train to get it at the right end.

If the locomotive had to run around its train, where would it do
this? It could pull the train out of the tunnel and at a
suitable set of points run around to the other end of the train.
Now this practise is quite common in certain parts of the
country, especially when shunting freight trains. If all the
above was true, surely someone would have spotted these unique
movements within the area. You have to remember that there are
high speed trains passing all the time and all this shunting can
only hold up procedures. Mind you, is it done in the middle of
the night? I doubt it as there are quite a number of freight
and high speed trains during the night as well.

If the tunnel entrance was accessed from the Bath side, the same
manoeuvring problems would have to be overcome. If there was a
secret tunnel, what would be sent into there, is it still used
and if its disused, why has it been abandoned? Probably
questions we will never get an answer to.

As rumours spread in ufology, they also spread in all other
walks of life. Railways certainly have their share of rumours.
If you speak to any rail employees, especially Great Western
division employees, many will tell you that there is a secret
tunnel within the Box Hill Tunnel. Is it a hiding hole for UFOs
or is it a secret place into which we can find out more about
UFOs. Matthew Williams says that UFO reports are sent to Rudloe
Manor, is the secret tunnel of any significance or is it just a
tale handed down from generation to generation to add a bit of
sparkle to otherwise bored employees.

The railmen have their own version of the Holy Grail and it's
certainly not UFOs. So what could be down in the tunnels that
would get railmen whispering in corners. Well anoraks and
gricers of the world unite and prepare to besiege the Box Hill
Tunnel, for there in that dank, dark hole, lies the STRATEGIC
RESERVE. The strategic what!

The Strategic Reserve is an oubliette for old steam engines from
bygone days. Train crews recount tales of locomotives going
missing without a trace. When a locomotive is scrapped, as with
a car, this is meant to be recorded. Rail employees tell stories
of locomotives disappearing, supposedly scrapped but when they
visit the site of the carnage, no trace can be found. Many of
the steam locomotives of the class 8 and 9f's supposedly
vanished into the Twilight Zone.

Although rail crews will tell you its mainly locomotives that
went missing, many types of other equipment are in store. Things
like jeeps, weapons all have encountered the phantom scrapman.
So what is the purpose of the Strategic Reserve? There are a
number of reasons for having a strategic reserve. The main
reason put forward is the oil crisis back in the 70's. Much of
the worlds oil is found in Arabic countries and if there was a
fall out with these people oil would run short, hence the use of
steam trains, as we have plenty of coal stockpiled, supposedly.

More sinister is the thought that steam engines would not be
affected by the blast from a nuclear strike. This is probably
bordering on paranoia. It would make sense to hold back
equipment in case on an emergency but steam engines, bah humbug.

Rail staff say there are many locations up and down the country
where locomotives are kept. We do not hear rumours of masses of
diesels being stored away. In the late 80's and early 90's, many
classes of diesel went to the wall. This theory would lend
itself well to the oil crisis scenario.

Many of the rail crews suggest that not only is the Box Tunnel
an anoraks paradise but it is the place where the top brass
would assemble in the event of a nuclear war. Rumours are rife
that there is a =BD mile long platform along with an underground
marshalling yard within this secret complex. They also suggest
that the facility has room for over 4000 people and I'm sure the
likes of you and me will not be on that list. They also suggest
that this location has been chosen because its so far
underground and it's very near to other military locations, with
quick access to runways etc.

If steam trains were being kept how would they prevent rust from
spreading within the boiler. If you filled the boiler with
deoxygenated water, this would prevent rust. The temperature
within a tunnel is constant, whatever time of year it is.
Obviously the portal ends would fluctuate with the outside
temperature but deep in a sealed tunnel, the temperature would
not fluctuate.

Now the problem comes, when you want to fire up the boilers on
the steam engines. In an underground facility, where would this
be carried out, as the soot, smoke and steam would create an
unbearable atmosphere. They would have to be readied in an open
environment, heaven for the anoraks. In an emergency and at
short notice, steam engines would not be very practical as they
take up to 8-9 hours to get up to steam.

"Err General, we've just had a nuclear strike and all the
diesels have failed, we need to move some equipment fast."

"Can you come back in 10 hours time please, when the kettle has
boilt."

What we must remember as well, is where would the steam
locomotives get their coal and water from, as the coal bunkers
and water towers have long gone. Where are all the turntables to
turn the engines in the right direction? Running a locomotive
tender first for long distances is not good practise. Its bad
enough running forward with the limited view from a steam train
but backwards at speed, it takes a confident driver!

Steam locomotives may be useful only after a nuclear strike for
moving stuff but they are not instantly ready and not very
practical or realistic.

If you go through the Box Tunnel and head towards Bath, you come
across another tunnel, called Middle Hill. On the downside of
the line (tracks moving away from London) on the Bath side of
the tunnel, there are some disused platforms near the location
of Shockerwick. At the end of the platform there are some stairs
to an underground passage. It takes a sharp left and climbs up
the hill. This was probably an old tunnel left over from the
war. Could people from both ufology and the rail network be
confusing the tunnel at Shockerwick for the tunnel at Box Hill.

It is very easy to get wires crossed and maybe the rumours of
tunnels have got mixed up. People who like a good mystery could
associate a rumour of a secret tunnel with the Box tunnel. The
Box Tunnel is well known but the Middle Hill tunnel is not.
Could someone have visited the tunnels at Shockerwick and
spread the word. People not in the know may have associated the
tunnel to Box rather than Middle Hill, as it is known to many
people.

People then could assume that the tunnel being secret could lead
to Rudloe. Its very easy to get involved in this game of Chinese
whispers. The whole sorry tale is a mish mash of rumours and
speculation.

I think the whole thing is what you want it to be. Ufologists
want it to be a place where there is a great UFO cover up. Rail
enthusiasts want it to be their own version of the X-Files. Many
rail employees claim that locomotives have gone missing,
including some of the famous Blue Pullman units, all of which
were meant to have been scrapped. Again speculation says that
one unit was converted to a strategic mobile unit and painted
black.

There are reports of steam locomotives being painted in all
black, with their numbers and any identification marks removed.
We had black helicopters, now we have black trains. Helicopters
can fly out of sight but trains can only go where the rails take
them, so I think this one is a red herring and complete bull
manure.

So here is my recipe for a good mystery soup:- Wiltshire Soup.

Find one county with military bases in it. Stir in a =BDlb of
Rudloe bullshit. Put a sprinkling of UFO rumours in. Add 60
steam locomotives. Put in a dark tunnel for a few years. Bring
it out into the daylight. Bring it to the boil and serve to
gullible people up and down the country with a slice of
conspiracy bread. Top with unsubstantiated rumours and tales.
ENJOY.

Another reliable source told me (well I think he was reliable,
everyone else gets away without proving their sources) that
there is a tunnel entrance into Rudloe but it is not accessed
from within the tunnel but from a portal on the Chippenham side.
This portal is meant to be outside where everyone can see it,
although locked up. So now we have three possible sites. The Box
Hill Tunnel, Shockerwick and now a portal on the up line of the
line to Chippenham. My contact says that the portal is only wide
enough for one track and all the rails to it have been lifted.
If you look at the portal on the Chippenham side of the tunnel,
then look to the right at about 200 yards before Box, there is a
disused cutting which takes you to the portal. We will be
visiting the site shortly. The portal is only one track wide.

My contact worked on the Signalling and Telecomms side of the
rail network. He has walked through the Box Hill Tunnel on three
occasions and not once did he see a portal into any "secret
base". He tells me that there could not be points inside the
tunnel as the signal protecting it is an automatic one. An
automatic signal, changes to red as soon as a train passes it,
so that no other train smashes into the back of it. Once the
train passes the next signal, the tunnel signal would go to
orange or double orange. Double orange is preliminary caution
i.e. the next signal is a single orange, which is caution and so
the final signal will be red; danger.

Automatic signals allow for faster running trains, eliminating
the signal box - in this case controlled from Bristol Temple
Meads - interfering with the operation. The signal box can
over-ride an automatic signal. You following this? Any section
of track that has a junction ahead of it, would not have an
automatic signal before it. The rule approaching an automatic
signal is that if the light remains red, you may after two
minutes approach the next section very cautiously. This would
only apply if the section ahead was a segment without a junction
before the next signal. If there was a junction ahead, this
could have disastrous consequences if the two minute rule
applied. Any train moving towards a junction without
authorisation runs the risk of crashing into another, or having
the points set against it, taking the train onto a wrong line.
Today most signals are equipped with phones connected to the
signal box, so a driver can double check before proceeding.

So from this, we can conclude that there can be no entrance
within the Box Tunnel to any secret location. The common
consensus amongst ufologists and railmen is that the tunnel is
disused. I cannot find one person who has ever seen a set of
points within the Box Tunnel at any time. If the tracks had been
lifted, when did this happen?

The favourite location for an entrance into a base, would
probably be from the portal on the Chippenham side of the line,
a completely separate site. Slightly out of the way but still
visible from the line, not very secret.

Having walked through the tunnel, my contact says there are
eight telephones spaced at regular intervals. These phones would
connect you to the signal box. Next time you go on a train, look
at the signal and you will see about 4ft off the ground, a
telephone attached to the post. He also says there are a number
of rooms within Box, about 8ft square, where the permanent way
gangs - people who maintain the track - keep their tools etc.

The Box Hill Tunnel was built for the Great Western Railway who
built wide gauge railways. The initials GWR were often referred
to as "Gods Wonderful Railway." The rest of the UK used what
we now know as the standard gauge. People travelling in and out
of the GWR would have to change trains as the difference in
gauges would not allow through-running. The GWR finally had to
admit defeat and made their tracks standard. So many of the old
tunnels and bridges have more space between them and the trains
than the rest of the country.

My contact also says he has never signed the Official Secrets
Act, even though working in the Box Hill Tunnel. He knows of no
other person who has signed the OSA. Matthew Williams told me
his informant - who is meant to be ringing me and never has -
had signed the OSA. I can accept that people who work on
sections of line that connect to a government, i.e. an ROF
establishment, do sign the OSA. My contact and many other rail
employees, I have spoke to, have not signed the OSA. So we can
conclude from this that there is nothing of significance
attached to any rail connection to Rudloe, now or in the past.

If there are steam locomotives within Box Hill, then this is
truly an anoraks paradise, maybe they dream they will go there
when they die, the rail buffs Valhalla.

As I have said many times, secret bases, contain secrets but
this does not mean an ET connection. Rudloe Manor both for rail
and UFO enthusiasts has become a dreamers mirror, you see there
what you want to see. What few facts there are, get intertwined
with a tangle of lies, rumour, speculation and the search for a
truly weird and wonderful railway.

I bet Issy Brunel is laughing in his grave. To think all these
years on, a simple railway tunnel - though not simple to build -
would attract the attention of the classiest anoraks in the UK.
We love a good conspiracy and we love to fall into the trap by
jumping on every little bit of information, no matter where it
has come from. We then pass this down or on to other people, who
in turn add their little bit of "conspiracy" to it.

However the tunnel was built and aligned so the sun shone down
it on Issy's birthday, April 9th. Due to not allowing for
atmospheric refraction, the sun actually shines down it from
April 6th to the 8th and misses his birthday.

There are bound to be truths wrapped up in all this confusion
but in our haste to make a story more exciting, we cannot
discern the truth from the lies. As an over worked phrase goes,
"the truth is out there" but then so are the lies and the poor
information that leads us to inane conclusions.

Where has they myth of secret locations for steam trains come
from. Most of the tales come from railway workers across the
country, who recount unusual events. Two such claims involve
train crews who were relieved of their duties for the day, only
having worked five minutes. Their locomotives were taken away by
new crews and were supposedly never seen again. The crews who
had only done five minutes, were told to go home and they would
receive full pay.

Whilst these tales or myths come from railway workers, we are
looking at another site that has parts of a village community
baffled but that's another story.

Copyright of Rory Lushman 1998.
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This case is still ongoing and we are investigating another
location that is part of the Strategic Reserve Myth. We were
recently watched by the police at a site that was abandoned
years ago but still had surveillance cameras there. Why? However
we do not believe for one minute that there is a UFO connection
at this site.

If anybody has more information on the Strategic Reserve, either
here in the UK or similar cases abroad, then please email me at
:- PHUFON@Compuserve.com or RHow159900@aol.com








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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:35:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:19:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:37:18 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>Some skeptics have advanced the theory (desperate for any
>alternative to alien abduction) that the scars and scoop marks
>found on some abductees can be attributed to psychosomatic
>effects, that somehow the person's own brain is causing the skin
>to produce the marks. This is absurd, and I'd like to see even
>one study that shows this to be possible. Unless it can be
>demonstrated repeatedly with predictable results, skeptics have
>no business citing it as a cause.

Actually, it's not quite as absurd as you might think. I once
had a girlfriend who had eczema on her hands. It occurred mostly
during times of stress. I have seen a gaping fissure (which bled
considerably), close and 'vanish' without trace within a couple
of hours, especially if her stress level was reduced (via
meditation).

When I mentioned this to an MD friend of mine, he said it was by
no means unusual, and he had seen the same results himself many
times. He told me that it was pretty well accepted that eczema
had a strong psychosomatic component.He believed that eczema was
the primary cause of 'stigmata' effects.

I'm not suggesting here that eczema is the cause of scoop marks,
etc. on those who claim to be abductees, but I would point out
that the mind can create unusual and seemingly 'impossible'
effects on the body.

Brian





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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:04 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:36:16 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:34:43 -0700
>From: "Jeff Westover" <jeff.westover@mailexcite.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

>>Using the combined high-tech imaging tools of Photoshop 4.0 and
>>JASC Software, we at FSG have been able to uncover some startling
>>enhancements of what may very well be an alien language/symbol in
>>not just the alleged Roswell crash debris, but also on Col.
>>Marcel's forehead, shirt collar, and on the curtain behind him!

>>Please see the attached .JPG.

>>Sincerely,

>>-Scott C. Carr
>>Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
>>http://www.erols.com/sardonica

>>Producer, "UFO Desk"
>>99.5 FM WBAI, NY

>I think that the symbol Scott has ingeniously discovered is an
>alien glyph that reads either "junk is junk" or "recycle
>please". I'm inclined to believe that the latter translation is
>most correct given the subject matter.

>Jeffrey S. Westover

Since it appears this symbol is some sort of "artifact" created
by the enhancement process, I would hope that James Bond Johnson
would comment.

Steve Kaeser






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                          Re: Where is Macrihanish?

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:56:43 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:22:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Where is Macrihanish?


>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:18:57 +0200 (MET DST)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
>Subject: Where is Macrihanish?

>Hi List,

>Next week my girlfriend and I are going to Scotland for a brief
>holiday and we've rented a car to tour the country.

>We're starting out from Edinburgh and we plan to go West from
>there.

>We have no fixed destination and I was thinking would it be
>feasible to drive in the direction of the 'secret' base of
>Macrihanish. But I don't know where the base is.

Don't waste your time. At present to the best of my knowledge,
which is not bad on such matters - Macrahanish is under an MOD
care and maintenance programme. You might see the odd Air
Ambulance or possibly the occasional bit of training but no
more.

A colleague of mine was up there just a week ago.

I'll send you his email a/d if you want........

(Macrahanish is near Campbeltown on the Mull of Kintyre.)

Much more interesting - DTEO West Freugh situated some 5 miles
from Stranraer on the SW Scottish coast. We've been there on
several occasions and this is an official place for the testing
of missiles and UAVs.

Very interesting and I can tell you where to get some decent views.....

DTEO - Defence Test and Evaluation Organization - part of the
Defence Evaluation and Research Organisation which works closely
with the US Department of Defence and plays around with a great
deal of hi-tech - especially stealth.......DERA annual budget -
only =A37 billion.

Take a good and powerful lens with you and don't take photos too
near the base.

Stay legal.





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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:37:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:06:37 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>

>Jim,
>
>You're making some assumptions here.
>
>First, you're assuming that the quantity of material found on
>the ground represents the quantity released or created by the
>UFO. What lands on the ground within sight of the witnesses may
>represent only a minute fraction of what is actually released.


Greg,

I haven't made that assumption, but simply didn't mention what
you have remarked upon since it makes it still more difficult to
believe that the angel hair could survive all the way to the
ground, if it dissipates upon touch. The latter suggests it
tends to dissipate at least slowly even in air (at ordinary
temperatures).

>If one could "stand along side" the UFO, one might see the
>stuff literally pouring out from, or off of the object.

In that case, due to the huge amount necessarily emitted, its
appearance could outshine that of the UFO or would appear in the
daytime as a bright tail or streamer with diffuse irregular
edges.  Has that been reported in conjunction with the
angel-hair cases?

>So, lots of it could drift away, and still leave a sufficient
>quantity for the witnesses below to find.

Yes, though the "lots" that drifted away would then cover the
ground in lots of other places too. Have the angel-hair reports
mentioned finding it over huge areas, or areas of length up to
several miles long?

>You're also assuming that the material is the same size as when
>it left the UFO. It may be larger upon exit, which would would
>give it a greater initial decent rate, but shrink considerably
>as it decends.

That's a possibility, but makes it more likely that it would be observed at
the time the UFO was emitting it. Such has not been observed, has it?

>Perhaps more UFOs release this material than we realize, but due
>to the altitude it never reaches the ground at all.

Then there would be many more reports of its being observed
aloft, in the vicinity of UFOs observed in the daytime under
sunny conditions.

>Another assumption is that the UFO released it's material when
>directly over the witnesses. It may have done so "upwind", which
>would allow it to drift over and down to the witnesses'
>location.

I was indeed assuming this, that any UFO releasing it would be duly upwind,
as obviously otherwise there would be no chance of hitting its target.

>You also assume that turbulent air conditions were present
>during the event. That's something that can be checked.

In the daytime the turbulence will usually extend from the
ground upwards to a height of anywhere from 500 ft to 12,000 ft;
at night often no more than 500 ft. But even above the
atmospheric boundary layer there is weak turbulence and vertical
air motions of several centimeters per second. The key point is
that the fall velocity of the angel hair would seem to be very
small in comparison with these vertical air movements; I'd
estimate a fall velocity of less than a cm/sec. For example, a
fluffy thistle seed with seed-pod removed has a fall speed
around 2 or 3 cm/sec, and has therefore been considered a good
tracer of the air movements themselves in some studies. Around
my yard I find plenty of spider webs, and so I tried to test the
fall velocity of a 6-inch pure strand of one of them today, in
the sunlight where it showed up well. It drifted along with the
very weak breeze present (less than 1 ft/sec breeze) with no
discernible fall velocity.  Its small movements up and down
while its length underwent weak turbulent contortions seemed to
reflect just the movements of the air. (The toughest part of the
"experiment" was releasing the strand of spider web, which wants
to stick to whatever it touches.) This is something one can
check out for oneself without waiting for a UFO sighting.

Even if the angel-hair fall velocity were as large as 1 cm/sec,
and if there were no turbulence, it would take over 8 hours for
the angel-hair to reach the ground if released from a UFO 1000
ft up. With turbulence, it would be diffused over huge distances
during those 8 hours.

>If a high pressure system is centered over an area, and the
>lapse rate is low, there will be very little thermal-related
>movement of the air, and very little wind, so any material
>dropped would pretty much land underneath the source.

But then it would still take 8 hours to reach the ground, plus
or minus depending upon UFO altitude! I think the UFO that
releases it in the fashion you anticipate would have to be less
than about 30 feet up to make it work, like a crop-dusting
plane. (Also, high pressure systems are highly correlated with
clear skies, meaning strong lapse rate near the ground under
sunny conditions in the daytime, leading to vigorous thermal
convection. Your scenario above would best work at night, when
any angel hair presumably would rarely be noticed.)

So I still see no way out but for the UFO to "materialize" the
stuff very close to where it wishes it to be deposited. The UFO
occupants seem to have such a capability, as with "beaming"
themselves or abductees up or down, or as in producing a
"flickering black spot" on a window pane along with a "thumping
noise" at a time when a UFO was spotted nearly a mile or so away
(see pp. 34-35 & 86-89 of "UFOs Are Real: Here's the Proof" by
Bruce Maccabee).

  Jim Deardorff






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              Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 10:20:50 PDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:30:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:13:18 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!

>>Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Kal, I think it needs to be pointed out that there is no "we".
>>I, at least, have never suggested the media go to anyone like
>>Dilettoso. I suspect that the media finds these people because
>>they are highly noisy and spend their time publicizing
>>themselves, something that the real workers in the field are far
>>too busy to take the time to do, or which they are unwilling to
>>do, because they have workday reputations they don't care to
>>have damaged by association with the fringe cultists, the
>>pseudo-scientific enthusiasts, or even simply because they don't
>>need the annoyance of dealing with the reputational bombardment
>>from the faithful debunker community.

>Hi Mark,

>I am afraid I must disagree. I have witnessed many times when
>reporters (me being one of them) have called UFO organizations
>and various "name" researchers in this field only to be told
>"hey, call Jim Dilettoso" and the irony of this is, having asked
>some of these "researchers" myself what they think of Dilettoso
>they will admit they don't believe half of what he says.

Kal, I would be very much interested in knowing who these
"various `name' researchers" are. I know most of the prominent
figures in serious ufology, and I can't imagine that one of them
would recommend Jim Dilettoso as a reliable authority. It's easy
to make these sweeping charges, but I won't believe them until I
see some good evidence. I don't think I ever would have heard of
Dilettoso if I hadn't read about him in your book on Meier. I
don't hear the colleagues I know and respect carrying on about
the wonderful efforts of Dilettoso.


>For many in the UFO field, and I think various internet postings
>will confirm this, it was not important to them that Jim
>Dilettoso was busily confabulating away in front of the national
>media giving the UFO field another collective black eye --
>instead, people were obsessed with the fact that UFOs "finally"
>received the "national coverage they deserved."

I'd like to see some evidence that serious ufologists have
responded this way.

>In other words, for _some_ it is a belief system that they are
>trying to desperately have confirmed in any way they can, for
>other researchers they care very much about _who_ the messenger is
>and _what_ that messenger has to say.

Only a fool would feel this way. Again, I'd like to see the
names of some serious ufologists - and if you know this field,
Kal, you know whom I mean - who have this anything-goes
mentality.

>As long as Dilettoso says UFOs are real, and that almost every
>case he studies is real, that's OK in many people's minds.
>Nevermind the fact he's not qualified to make these analyses,
>makes up his data, has forged government documents a la MJ12
>stye and even claimed in writing he had a Ph.D., evidence again
>that people like Deardorff ignore and various Meier and hardcore
>UFO supporters and New Age types that Dilettoso tends to pony up
>to."

Do you equate serious ufologists with "various Meier and
hardcore UFO supporters and New Age types?" If not, maybe you
should make that clear. You certainly haven't so far.


>>Secondly, I must tell you that I profoundly disagree that these
>>hoax-busting extravaganzas are going to "purge" ufology of the
>>bad cases or bad workers. What I believe they will do is to
>>further polarize the external community between the
>>anything-goes-speculations of the unscientific "UFO specials"
>>and the debunker skepticism of the "skeptical societies". It
>>doesn't, however, present the real alternative, which is actual
>>historical and scientific work being done on UFOs by a variety
>>of dedicated amateurs and professionals. Now, I'd applaud you if
>>you had spent your resources on getting a program like that
>>made, but as for the other - well, you haven't actually helped
>>us, even if you'd like to think so.

>Mark, with all due respect, I must disagree here again as well.

>1) You have _not_ seen the upcoming Fox special, so you are
>hardly in a position to make the claim that "it doesn't offer us
>an alternative."

It is fair for Mark to remark on it at this stage, based on your
characterization of it, which (like Mark) I find to be full of
rather extreme and dubious charges.

>Oh yes it does, Mark, in fact, it _definitively_settles_ several
>issues. Total resolution is about as complete as things get I
>would say.

Kal, it isn't exactly going to startle any serious ufologist to
learn that Billy Meier is a hoaxer, any more than it would
startle a geographer to learn that the earth is not flat. Mark
has a point in suggesting that obsession with the most
extravagant and absurd "UFO" stories tends to trivialize the
whole subject, making it seem to outsiders that this is all UFO
study is about: some guy who claims to cavort with people from
the Pleiades. It is unfortunate that with the resources you had,
you did not choose to devote them to something that is woefully
underfunded: serious UFO research into credible and puzzling
cases.

>2) I also disagree that I am not "helping" the UFO field.
>Anytime a UFO case's REAL explanation can be aired and conveyed
>to the public, especially when they are frauds designed to make
>money and rip off people, I would argue that this is a _good_
>thing for the UFO field and the General Public as well.

It's hard not to get the unhappy feeling that the focus on
Meier, et al., is not just unhelpful but arguably distructive.
The debunkers of the world can only applaud an approach that
focuses on the Meier yarn as opposed, say, to the RB-47 case,
Delphos, Portage, Red Bluff, Coyne, or whatever.

>3) Also, by explaining to people on _how_ and _why_ hoaxes that
>have become so widely believed have been accepted, it helps
>educate people and ideally, make them more picky and discerning
>about the evidence they might accept as being "real."

As I've said before, anybody who believes Meier is not going to
be persuaded by mere negative evidence. No serious ufologist is
going to learn anything that he or she hadn't figured out long
ago.

>4) I have and did spend both my own personal resources and Fox's
>on this special. It was the least I could do and I feel honored
>that Bob Kiviat had the right kind of faith in me and my
>investigative abilities to do the assignments he asked of me for
>the special.

No one doubts your investigative abilities, Kal. It's your
judgment, and the rationale behind that, that I think merit a
searching, skeptical examination.

>>I also want to comment on the frequently expressed idea that we
>>should somehow "throw out" the charlatans in this field. I have
>>yet to see an acceptable way for this to be accomplished. In the
>>US, we have the First Amendment, which rightly allows for the
>>publication of any opinion by any person. And at the same time,
>>I think we all know that within any particular faction of the
>>UFO community (which we could loosely break down into debunkers,
>>PSHers, secret weaponistas, paranormalists, religionists,
>>cultists, ETHers, OEHers, etc), there are those who are
>>acceptable and those who are not. I, for instance, classifying
>>myself as a nuts and bolts OEHer, give no credence to Hoagland
>>or Boylan, or a myriad of other non-scientific people. PSHers, I
>>suspect, are not interested in Jerry Clark's opinions, and, if
>>asked, they would probably not recommend him for inclusion in a
>>television program. That's how it works, and that's how its
>>going to continue to work until one or more of these loosely
>>defined areas of the UFOlogical map successfully attains
>>scientific (and _then_ mainstream) acceptability.

>Mark, you are acting as if everyone in the UFO field belongs to
>one big, happy and more or less unified family.


That is precisely the opposite of Mark's point. Go back and
reread what he said.


>Where are the web sites that do not simply allow proven
>hucksters to post things?

>Where _was_ the outcry from the UFO field over how it was
>probably not a good idea that Dilettoso misrepresent things on
>national TV. Where were these researchers calling up the
>reporters and getting in the face in an uproar over having con
>artists "speak" for the UFO field??

Since ufology has a long tradition of internal debate and
criticism (as you should know, Kal, if you follow the
literature), this complaint is really unfair. Every serious
ufologist I know tries to make the point, when interacting with
interviewers or journalists, that there is a serious ufology and
there are fools and charlatans who are polluting the discussion.
I simply don't understand complaints like yours. Do you think
ufologists are all powerful and can force the New York Times and
the Washington Post to say about them exactly what they want?
All we can do is represent ourselves as well as we can, and hope
for the best. I'd like to see you complaining about the shoddy,
irresponsible way serious ufology is habitually treated in the
press, instead of this sort of reflexive bashing of us and all
that we do.

>They were _nowhere_ to be found, Mark, because _truth_ was _not_
>an issue here, confirmation of their UFO "religious" belief
>was!!

So what? Meier is a religious figure who appeals to people
looking for religious approaches. What do you expect?


>By comparison, if an official from the Air Force had stood up
>and had garnered the share of press that Dilettoso did,
>explaining that the lights Dilettoso ended up shooting himself
>in the foot over were in fact military flares, the UFO field
>would have used this as a "rallying cry" to descend on every
>reporter everywhere, the White House, etc.

>There's a double standard here, Mark, and is its one of the
>reasons _why_ the UFO field is taken as a "joke" by mainstream
>science.

Gimme a break. Scientists are not morons. Any scientist who
wanted to (and a number have done so over the course of UFO
history) can figure out for himself or herself what the serious
stuff of ufology is and what its nonsense is. Most scientists
use the latter as an excuse to ignore the former, just as you're
helping them do here.

>Until its' [sic] members start acting more like scientists and are
>_objective_, and _take_responsibility_ then I don't blame
>science for continuing to distance itself.

I know any number of ufologists who try to act like scientists
(or at least scientists as portrayed in textbooks), to be
objective, and to take responsibility. Too bad that in choosing
to highlight UFO charlatans on national television, you continue
the media practice ignoring the efforts of the good people who
represent the best of what this field can be, should be, and
sometimes is about.

>I am all for the Consitution, freedom of speech and press, etc.,
>but I remind all of you of a famous saying that basically says
>that certain forms of silence are an endorsement.

Since ufologists have talked themselves hoarse over the
years attacking and exposing the charlatans in their midst,
this statement has no meaning at all. It does, however, remind
me of the silence of most skeptics and debunkers in the face
of Phil Klass' many rhetorical and other excesses. Why
don't you take your complaint to the publisher of Prometheus
Books?


Kal, with all due respect, if you're one of our friends, maybe
ufology doesn't need enemies. I would like to think you're well
meaning, but I certainly don't see in any of the above an
understanding of ufology, its (not its') history, its problems
and limitations, or, for that matter, the things it has been
able to accomplish against tremendous obstacles. Your view, it
seems to me (I say this with great reluctance), seems at best
one-dimensional, at worst self-serving.


Jerry Clark






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                  Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:43:09 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:08:54 -0400
Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson


>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:14:00 -0400 (EDT)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:05:42 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: The Wit and Wisdom of J. Bond Johnson

>>Further, when I asked Jesse Marcel, Sr., about the quotes that
>>Johnson had attributed to him, I find that Jesse is suggesting
>>that he was misquoted...

>>KRandle

>Uh, Kevin, BTW, unless you have gotten up with a good trance
>medium I think you have been talking to Jr. not Sr.

>Bob


Bob, et.al. -

Of course that should have been Jr. Typos will be the death of
us all.

KRandle






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               Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'Connection!

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:19:29 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:43:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener'Connection!


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:13:18 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Billy Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!

>>Subject: Meier & The 'Oscar Meyer Wiener 'Connection!
>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:23:15 -0400
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Kal, I think it needs to be pointed out that there is no "we".
>>I, at least, have never suggested the media go to anyone like
>>Dilettoso.

>I am afraid I must disagree. I have witnessed many times when
>reporters (me being one of them) have called UFO organizations
>and various "name" researchers in this field only to be told
>"hey, call Jim Dilettoso" and the irony of this is, having asked
>some of these "researchers" myself what they think of Dilettoso
>they will admit they don't believe half of what he says.

This, you must take up with them. They are not me, I am not them,
and they are not "we". If you have a problem with this and want to
organize an effort to establish a list of reliable experts to be
recommended to the media by MUFON, CUFOS, and FUFOR,
great! If you want to take to task specific "name" researchers
for considering Dilettoso et.al as people to whom the media
should be referred, then do so. Or, of course, you could inform
your various media contacts of a list of unreliable sources for
information on UFOs. None of this, however, involves "we".

There is no "we" in UFO research.

As for the rest of your concerns about Dilettoso specifically,
if the man is making fraudulent claims and you or someone in the
media is harmed by those, the place to work that out is in
court. Personally, I haven't listened to anything he says since
he claimed he could get spectra off of videotape using the RGB
levels from image processing software.

>>Secondly, I must tell you that I profoundly disagree that these
>>hoax-busting extravaganzas are going to "purge" ufology of the
>>bad cases or bad workers. What I believe they will do is to
>>further polarize the external community between the
>>anything-goes-speculations of the unscientific "UFO specials"
>>and the debunker skepticism of the "skeptical societies".

>Mark, with all due respect, I must disagree here again as well.

>1) You have _not_ seen the upcoming Fox special, so you are
>hardly in a position to make the claim that "it doesn't offer us
>an alternative."

>Oh yes it does, Mark, in fact, it _definitively_settles_ several
>issues. Total resolution is about as complete as things get I
>would say.

>You should really wait to see a program before you begin to
>critique it.

So you are saying that it covers the kind of work being done by
Aldrich, Sparks, Haines, Clark, Bullard, etc?

That, after all, Kal, is the alternative to the polarization
between the anything-goes-speculations of the unscientific "UFO
specials" and the debunker skepticism of the "skeptical
societies". That, I thought I stated quite clearly, is my view.

Now the title of the show is, what? "World's Greatest Hoaxes"?
What would lead me to think it would cover the best work being
done in the field with regard to historical and physically based
cases?

>2) I also disagree that I am not "helping" the UFO field.
>Anytime a UFO case's REAL explanation can be aired and conveyed
>to the public, especially when they are frauds designed to make
>money and rip off people, I would argue that this is a _good_
>thing for the UFO field and the General Public as well.

Apparently you didn't really read what I wrote. I stated that I
believed this sort of presentation will simply increase the
polarization between the anything-goes-speculations of the
unscientific "UFO specials" and the debunker skepticism of the
"skeptical societies", and that I did not believe this was of
much help.

Everyone in the world, bar a few folks who are in or should be
in institutions, knows there are UFO hoaxes. Everyone in the
world, except for some people in CSICOP, knows there are some
very interesting "stories" of UFO events. What isn't generally
known is that cataloging, physical parameter evaluation, and
other activities are being performed by serious and dedicated
people who don't have an "agenda" or "belief system". That is
what I think needs to be brought out in the media.

>3) Also, by explaining to people on _how_ and _why_ hoaxes that
>have become so widely believed have been accepted, it helps
>educate people and ideally, make them more picky and discerning
>about the evidence they might accept as being "real."

This is on ground well trod by people like Arthur C. Clarke. It
didn't do much to change things when he did it, and this special
won't either.

"There's one born every minute" and spending time trying to
euthanize them all is time wasted that should be spent on real
progress in this field.

>>I also want to comment on the frequently expressed idea that we
>>should somehow "throw out" the charlatans in this field. I have...

>Mark, you are acting as if everyone in the UFO field belongs to
>one big, happy and more or less unified family. This is not the
>NFL or NBA where one can decide whether they want to interview
>Dennis Rodman or Michael Jordan.

Kal, you're the one who used the "we" word above. I just spent a
paragraph pointing out the various factions in the UFO field and you
can make a statement like this?

>Where are the web sites that do not simply allow proven
>hucksters to post things?

Mine. Jean van Gemert's. FUFOR. CUFOS. How many do you need?

>Where _was_ the outcry from the UFO field over how it was
>probably not a good idea that Dilettoso misrepresent things on
>national TV. Where were these researchers calling up the
>reporters and getting in the face in an uproar over having con
>artists "speak" for the UFO field??

I have written a number of e-mails to places like "The Discovery
Channel" and "The History Channel" concerning the validity of
their documentaries.

I have also written to Astronomy magazine and offered them a
counterpoint to Phil Klass debunking article. They didn't want
it.

>They were _nowhere_ to be found, Mark, because _truth_ was _not_
>an issue here, confirmation of their UFO "religious" belief
>was!!

Kal, not everyone has the time or the ability to track down the
people who need to hear these complaints. It's not like
television has a Letters To The Editor column.

>By comparison, if an official from the Air Force had stood up
>and had garnered the share of press that Dilettoso did,
>explaining that the lights Dilettoso ended up shooting himself
>in the foot over were in fact military flares, the UFO field
>would have used this as a "rallying cry" to descend on every
>reporter everywhere, the White House, etc.

I'm not going to try to make excuses for why those sorts of
things didn't happen. I will point out that science is an
adversarial process where disputing thinkers can put their
experiments and results in the public forum and have them
debated. There are a lot of people who perhaps should not
participate in that process here in UFOlogy based on their
record. But there is no way to keep them out of anything except
referreed journals or mail lists. I note, for instance that
there are certain people who are not allowed on this mail list,
on the P1947 mail list, etc., for what seem good and sufficient
reasons. That's about the limit of what can be done.

If you want a hue and cry over every UFO charlatan, fine. Post
here the names and addresses and e-mail addresses of those who
should be contacted, every time you see one of these guys get
air time.

Some of us will write letters.

>I certainly would not want the UFO field's "standard of
>evidence" being used to try and cure deadly diseases or run our
>national defense -- we'd run the risk of wiping the whole planet
>out in stupidity and assumptions and begin to think that photos
>of rashes were "proof" of various diseases, etc. or that lights
>we couldn't "explain" in the sky were incoming nuclear missiles
>and we'd launch our arsenal in retalioation because "we know" --
>and other such egotistical extrapolations that are simply not
>logical.

There are many different standards of evidence in many different
fields. The standards of evidence in physics are not used in
sociology. The standards of evidence in chemistry are not used
in cosmology.

Big surprise that the standard of evidence currently in ufology
doesn't meet what you think it should. How about laying out
explicitly what you think that should be, and how we could
progress toward meeting it, instead of just complaining?

Heck, how about answering the questions posed about your own
sighting, questions that should take two seconds to respond to,
instead of a week? Then we can develop a range of acceleration
numbers to try to figure out what you might have seen and what
performance it might have had.

>>If the volume of physically oriented research on good cases
>>outweighed the crap being produced by the con-men and true
>>believers, then the chances that the disreputable and the
>>unscrupulous would have to look for work elsewhere would be
>>improved.

>Mark, your desire and goals are certainly well-intentioned, but
>the world of TV does _not_ work that way. TV wants it "yesterday"
>and the subject of _this_ specific special was _hoaxes_ so any other
>scope is irrelevant.

So, in other words, since TV doesn't pay attention to the real
research done in this field, you shouldn't use your influence to
get them to do so?

>I hope I certainly don't have to tell you this again, but I am
>and have been working very quietly on other cases, ones that
>have me stumped at the moment, I gladly admit. But until I can
>pick up the phone and say "Hey, NBC, here's a UFO case you have
>to cover" I won't do so.

Why so quietly? Here's the web. The cost of publication is nil.
If you are getting some results, why not put them out for peer
review? Maybe there are people out here who can help you get a
case to the stage where you can make that call. Maybe not. But
science doesn't work in private, it works in public. Join in.

>If you have some "smoking gun cases," let me know and I will
>start making the phone calls to Hollywood. And this offer is
>open to everyone.

Kal, you and I both know that there are a vast number of cases
which would have benefited from better investigation. But there
are not only good single cases out there, but there is a body of
good cases out there and there are patterns in that body of
cases.

If what you want is the debunker's fabled landing on the White
House lawn, or pieces of a crashed saucer, well, the data
indicates you have a long wait. UFOs don't do that.

>For those who complain the media "ignores" them, show me the
>hard proof and I will get you more attention than you can
>imagine.

I haven't heard anyone complaining about that.

No egomaniacs here...

>Besides, until a _real_ 'UFO' case comes along that is
>_undeniably_ of ET origin and occupies all of my time, how am I
>supposed to keep my "mucho macho Ufology skills" in tact if I
>don't open up a can of "Whip Ass" on occasion and unleash it on
>the hoaxsters?? :-)

Tell me, Kal, why does the case have to be _undeniably_ of ET
origin to be interesting?

Cash-Landrum, Kuhn, Levelland, Socorro, Oloron - these cases
contain material suggestive of unconventional origin, but as you
could see in the recent debate here on hypotheses, it is
difficult (though not impossible) to formulate discriminators
for the ETH. Not all cases will show those discriminators, even
when they appear to be unconventional. If you want to discuss
why, well, we can do that.

Isn't it sufficient that the case is unexplainable by experts?
That it has multiple independent witnesses. That it has medical
effects? That it leaves ground traces?

Have you thought of keeping the edge on your skills by going
back and deriving what physical information you can from medical
and physical trace cases?

Have you thought about arranging for psychological and
sociological scientists to do experiments on the limits of
perception of novel phenomena, or of luminous phenomena at
night? Or how about getting some good information on soil
characteristics and the reaction of a variety of soils to
pressure and heating?

Kal, hoax busting is important. Field investigators do it all
the time. The cases they bust rarely see the light of day.

Research, though... Research is the key. And it's much harder.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
------






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                      UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 33

From: Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:59:56 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:10:20 -0400
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 33

     UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 33
August 17, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

UFOs DROP "ANGEL HAIR"
IN NEW SOUTH WALES

     Twenty UFOs, described as "shiny silver spheres,"
flew over a number of farms near Quirindi, New South
Wales, Australia last weekend, littering the ground
with cobweb-like filaments called "angel hair."
     According to USA Today, "Residents of a small
Australian community swear that they saw cobwebs
fall from the sky after UFOs passed overhead.  Dozens
of residents of Quirindi called Australia's National UFO
Hotline after the incident."
     According to the Tamworth, N.S.W. North Daily
Leader, "Mrs. E. Stansfield, 61 years (old), said that
she saw cobwebs falling from the sky.  She saw twenty
silver balls which passed overhead.  When she went out
to her daughter, she too was covered in fine strands of
cobweb.  When she tried to pick it up, it disintegrated
in her hand.  The family car had cobwebs all over it."
     The incident took place at 5:04 p.m. on Sunday,
August 9, 1998.  Quirindi is just north of the Liverpool
mountain range, about 70 kilometers (42 miles) southwest
of Tamworth, N.S.W. and 300 kilometers (180 miles)
northwest of Sydney.
     Australian researcher Raymond Brooks reported
that the "various craft" performed aerobatic maneuvers
over the farms "for 1.5 hours, including the release of
'angel hair.'"  (See the Tamworth, N.S.W. North Daily
Leader for August 10, 1998 and USA Today for August
11, 1998.  Many thanks to Raymond Brooks, Diane
Hamilton and Ross Dowe of Australia/New Zealand
24-Hour UFO Hotline for this news story.)

CROP CIRCLES APPEAR NEAR
HUBBARD, OREGON

     An "intricate pattern" of crop circles appeared in
a wheat field in Hubbard, Oregon (population 1,881)
on July 22, 1998.
     "Researchers and curious onlookers raced to find
an intricate pattern of circles and pathways" in the
wheat field belonging to farmer Doug Aamodt.  "The
large flowing design was first show on KOIN-TV (in
Oregon) July 23 and drew people from throughout the
Willamette Valley to steal a look."
     "Glenna Sherwood, administrative assistant for the
Hubbard Police Department, said people were calling
and coming to the police station almost nonstop."
     "'It was like (New York City's) Grand Central Station
around here,' she said.  'You couldn't believe the phone
calls.'"
     "Hubbard Police Chief David Dryden said several
people called to discuss aliens, and officers reported
receiving calls from people asking that the area be
cordoned off " so that trained researchers might
investigate the site.
     "Keith Ardinger, a part-time crop circle researcher
from Portland (Oregon), said he believed that the crop
circle was probably caused by microwave radiation.
Ardinger spent half a day looking for the site, armed with
the knowledge that it was located in a field with (electrical)
power poles along Whiskey Hill Road."
     "Carol Pedersen, coordinator for the Oregon branch
of the Centre for Crop Circle Studies, said swirl patterns
in the wheat and the color of the nodes located on grain
stalks were possible indications that internal change had
occurred."
     "Doug Aamodt, owner of the field, said he went to see
about this and about the (crop) diagram.  He said he became
aware of the circles when Ardinger and fellow researcher
Pedersen came to ask for permission to study the site."
     Hubbard is on Oregon Highway 99E approximately
26 miles (41 kilometers) south of Portland.
     "Aamodt jokingly said maybe he could start selling
T-shirts at the field.  'It could be worth something,' he said
with a laugh."  (See the Woodburn, Oregon Independent
for July 28, 1998, "The truth is out there...near Hubbard,"
by Karen Tate, page one.  Many thanks to Stig Agermose
and Errol Bruce-Knapp for forwarding the article.)

GIANT TRIANGULAR UFO FLIES
OVER NORTHERN AUSTRALIA

     On Tuesday, August 11, 1998, just after 10 p.m.,
a giant triangular UFO flew over Australia's sparsely-
populated Northern Territory (N.T.) and disappeared
in the Gulf of Carpentaria, just north of the island
continent.
     According to Australian Broadcasting Corp.'s
Online News, "There have been several reports of a
bright light travelling across the sky, from Alice Springs
at 7:30 p.m., dropping into the Gulf of Carpentaria in
Queensland after 10 p.m."
     "The manager of a roadhouse south of Tennant
Creek, N.T. claimed mysterious lights in the sky last
night looked like fireworks."
     "Lou Farkas, from Wycliffe Well, who markets the
roadhouse as a site for UFO sightings, said he heard a
'bang' as well as seeing the light."
     Describing the UFO, Farkas said "Imagine the shape
of a fighting boomerang--you know how it's got that bend
in it--so the light was formed, and it was probably two or
three inches" wide as it crossed the sky, "so it could have
been quite a big object.  But it was formed completely.
So it started, then fomed the image of the boomerang,
then it held that shape until there was an explosion,
then it disappeared."
     Tennant Creek is located about 600 kilometers
(360 miles) north of Alice Springs and about 1,650
kilometers (990 miles) northwest of Sydney.
     "Astronomers at the Tidbinbilla tracking station in
Canberra say a bright light that shot across the Northern
Territory sky last night was most likely a meteor."
     "Territory police say there were sightings from Alice
Springs in the south to the Arnhem coast in the north,
with some witnesses claiming night turned into day."
(Editor's Comment: Sounds like the case in Zimbabwe
three months ago.)
     "Duncan Osborne from the Deep Space Tracking
Station says the reports are consistent with the effects
of a meteorite entering the earth's atmosphere and
burning up."  (See Australian Broadcasting Corp. Online
News for August 12, 1998.  Many thanks to Stig Agermose
and Errol Bruce-Knapp for forwarding this report.)

HUGE TRIANGULAR UFO FLIES
OVER NORTHEASTERN FRANCE

     On Monday, August 10, 1998, at 11:30 p.m.,
eyewitnesses in Sedan, a small town in the department
of Ardennes, 210 kilometers (126 miles) northeast of
Paris, spotted "a triangular UFO with a bright white light
and two little red lights in the rear."
     Witnesses also reported seeing "smaller white lights"
on the craft's underside, forming an arrowhead shape.
     According to ufologist Jean-Luc Lemaire of the
Centre des Etudes des OVNIs Francais (CEOF), the
triangular UFO "was seen in thirty communities" around
Sedan.
     Over the cities of Charleville and Meziere, 20 kilometers
(12 miles) north of Sedan, the UFO was seen "descending
from a high altitude."
     Just before 2 a.m. on Tuesday, August 11, 1998, the
UFO was seen in Carignan, 22 kilometers (13 miles)
southeast of Sedan.
     According to the newspaper Le Courrier, "An
unidentified flying object with a triangular shape, moving
at a low altitude above the cities of Sedan and Carignan,
has been observed by over 150 people.  Two youthful
amateur videographers filmed a short sequence that
night."
     The video was broadcast on the midnight news
show on France's nationwide Channel FR3 on Thursday,
August 13, and on Antenna 2.  The video shows the
UFO trying to dodge the camera's viewfinder as it
flies low over the Ardennes.
     The CEOF investigation continues.  (See the
newspaper Le Courrier/Le Progres of Saone et Loire
for August 14, 1998, page 30.  Merci beaucoup aux
Michel Granger et Thierry Garnier de SOS OVNI pour
ces nouvelles.)

DISC-SHAPED UFO SEEN OVER
GRIMSBY, LINCOLNSHIRE

     A "vast gleaming disc" appeared in the night sky
over Scartho, a suburb of Grimsby, Lincolnshire, UK
at the end of July 1998.
     "A UFO has been spotted over Scartho fork,
according to a report.  The vast gleaming disc hovered
over the roundabout (rotary in the USA--J.T.) and then
soared upwards, said the Springfield Road resident."
     "'The first time I saw the UFO, I was frightened.
The disc gave off a red glow and then turned green,'
he said.  'The disc spun off into the night sky, moving
this way and that in an apparently random way.  Who
knows where it was going?' he said."
     "One week later, the disc returned on a moonless
night, he said."
     "'It was definitely the same disc and emitted the
same color light.  It was hovering high up over the
roundabout,' he said."
     "UFO expert Dave Jackson of the Scanthorpe
research group Hangar 18 said, 'We have not had
sightings in Scartho before, but in recent weeks there
have been reportings of activity in Immingham and
Goole.'"
     Grimsby, Lincs. is 140 miles (224 kilometers)
north of London.  (See the Grimsby Evening Telegraph
for August 5, 1998, "Flying saucer sighted at Scartho."
Many thanks to Errol Bruce-Knapp for forwarding the
newspaper article.)

PHANTOM PLANE CRASH AT
SKELMERSDALE, LANCS.?

     A strange incident took place near Skelmersdale,
Lancashire, UK the evening of July 26, 1998.
     "Emergency Rescue launched a full-scale rescue
search after people said they saw a microlight aircraft
plunge from the sky a ball of flames.  Skelmersdale
police, paramedics and firefighters were joined by
Lancashire Police helicopters during the alert..."
     "Eyewitnesses said they saw the one-man aircraft
nosedive into a field close to the Rainford Bypass with
smoke trailing behind.  But nothing was found after an
extensive two-hour search of the field in the Rainford and
Bickerstaffe area."
     "Skelmersdale leading firefighter Tony Cavanagh said,
'We got the emergency call that an aircraft was in
distress over the Rainford Bypass.  After a lengthy search
we were unable to locate it.  I think it's a case for Mulder
and Scully.  They're probably searching the top of the
bypass now."
     Skelmersdale is 10 miles (16 kilometers) northeast of
Liverpool and 170 miles (272 kilometers) northwest of
London.  (See the Ormskirk, Maghull and Skelmersdale
Advertiser for July 30, 1998.  Many thanks to Gerry Lovell
of Far Search for this report.)

ROD-SHAPED UFO SIGHTED BY
A MAN IN FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA

     On Saturday, August 1, 1998, at 8 p.m., a man in
Fairfax, Virginia (population 19,622) was outdoors when
he suddenly noticed "something 'shoot off' the moon."
     Peering in that direction, he watched it "develop into
an object that was a bright but small object. somewhat
long and thin, but maintaining a steady shape, speed
and brightness."
     The UFO's speed "was said to be rapid but not
excessively fast."
     "The object followed a curved path almost down to
the horizon, then changed course and then streaked
very fast directly ovehead.  It was much closer when
it passed overhead..."
     Fairfax is on Highway 50 approximately 22 miles
(35 kilometers) southwest of Washington, D.C.
(Many thanks to Kenneth Young of Tri-States
Advocates for Scientific Knowledge, T.A.S.K., for
forwarding this report.)

SPY SATELLITE EXPLODES
RIGHT AFTER LIFTOFF

     The launch of the top-secret Vortex satellite
ended in disaster 40 seconds after liftoff when
its Titan 4A missile exploded.
     The 20-story missile rose from its launch
pad at Cape Canaveral, Florida at 7:30 a.m.
on Wednesday, August 12, 1998 but then
"pitched downward and exploded without warning."
     "Two seconds later, controllers sent a destruct
command to break the rocket into smaller pieces
and reduce the threat to people on the ground."
     "The double boom could be heard miles away
and set off car alarms around the area.  Most if
not all of the debris landed a half-mile offshore."
     The Titan 4A "carried 500,000 pounds of highly
toxic fuel.  There were no reports or injuries."
     Manufactured by Lockheed Martin Corp., the
rocket was carrying the Vortex satellite for the
USA's National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
"The failure was one of the costliest in the history
of the U.S. space program.  The rocket's value was
estimated at $300 million and the satellite's at
$800 million to $1 billion."
     "Analysts said the Titan was carrying an
eavesdropping satellite, codenamed Vortex, that
would have listened in on military and government
communications in world hot spots such as the
Middle East, China and India and Pakistan."
     "'My initial thought is, 'We're hurt.  This is a
sad day for the United States Air Force,' said
Brig. Gen. Randy Starbuck said at a news
conference after the blast."  (See USA Today
for August 13, 1998, "Rocket, spy satellite
explode.")
(Editor's Comment:  First the Galaxy IV, then
the SOHO, now Vortex.  This has been a rough
summer for satellites from Earth, hasn't it?)

MELTING ANTARCTIC GLACIER
COULD BE A BIG THREAT

     Last month was the warmest July in all of recorded
history, with heat waves in some surprising places.
     On Monday, August 10, 1998, USA Vice President
Albert Gore released data from the National Climactic
Data Center in Asheville, North Carolina, showing that
temperature in July 1998 "more than half a degree higher
than July 1997, the planet's previous warmest month."
The average temperture for July 1998 was 61.7 dgrees
Fahrenheit.
     "A heat wave slammed north Texas with 29
consecutive days of triple-digit (Fahrenheit) temperatures
in July and August.  The heat is blamed for 126 deaths
in the state."
     "Heat in the Middle East has killed 52 people and
sickened hundreds, according to the Associated Press.
Even Egyptians, used to toiling in the desert, have
taken to working at night to avoid the 100-degrees
daytime heat that has persisted for three weeks."
     "Temperatures have hit 122 degrees (Fahrenheit)
in Kuwait, where pools have equipment to chill the
water."
     "Temperatures soared to 100 in Paris on Monday
(August 10), and even higher elsewhere in France.
Locals and tourists splashed in fountains near the
Eiffel Tower and the Louvre museum."  (See USA
Today for August 12, 1998, "July breaks worldwide
temperature record.")
     According to CNN Interactive, scientists found
evidence of melting at the Pine Island glacier in
central Antarctica on July 24, 1998.  The new melting
"is more significant than the melting of Larsen's Ice
Ledge (LIL) because the LIL is in the northernmost
part of the continent" and further away from the South
Pole.
     According to CNN Interactive, "A melting Antarctic
glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic
Ice Sheet (WAIS) causing global sea levels to rise
up to 20 feet (6.6 meters), researchers said Thursday."
     "Isn't this what happens when a pond begins to
melt?" said Drumvalo Meclhizedek of the Prophet's
Conference in Yucatan.  "If the ice is melting in the
Antarctic winter now, what will happen in four to six
months as we approach the Antarctic summer?"
(Editor's Comment:  I didn't need to hear that.
I really didn't need to hear that.)
     The big danger in Antarctica is that the WAIS
might start "calving," or dropping humongous icebergs
into the sea.  In this event, a huge tidal wave would
race northward across the Indian Ocean.  The primary
wave would sweep over the Maldive Islands, rise high
above the shallow Laccadive Sea and then smash
into the southern tip of India and the neighboring
Island of Sri Lanka.
     In India, endangered seaside communities
might include Mattancheri, Vaikam, Kottayam,
Alleppey, Haripad, Kayankulam, Kilikollu,
Kundara, Quilon, Attingal, Ambasamudram,
Trivandrum, Kolachel and Kanniyakumari.
     On Sri Lanka, cities in the danger zone might
include Colombo, the national capital,  and
Negombo, Chilaw, Dehiwala, Moratuwa, Galle,
Panadura, Kalutara, Ambalangoda, Matara
and Weligama.  (Many thanks to Drumvalo
Melchizedek for forwarding the CNN report.)
(Editor's Comment:  Note to our readers in
Sri Lanka: If you hear about a tidal wave heading
your way from Antarctica, head straight for
Mount Pidurutalagala.  At a height of 2,524
meters (8,329 feet), it should be the safest
place on the island.)

from the UFO Files...

1963: SAUCER IN SEEKONK

     When people ask your editor, "How come you're
so interested in flying saucers?"  I reply, "I've seen
one."  And since this is the thirty-fifth anniversary
of the sighting, I thought I'd share it with you readers.
     It was Sunday, August 18, 1963 (And has the
world changed since then!).  I was 13 years old, and
we were gathered for a family reunion cookout at the
home of my grandparents, John and Alice Trainor, at
36 Malta Street in Seekonk, Massachusetts, just
east of the Rhode Island state line.
     At about 3:30 p.m., because it was so sunny and
hot, I decided to find a shady spot and catch up on
my reading.  I found a backyard lounge chair in the
shade of my grandmother's lilac bushes.  I began
reading a DC comic book--the aptly-named Mystery
in Space.  Adam Strange, Alanna, Sardath--all my
favorite people on my favorite planet, Rann.  Out of
the corner of my eye I spotted a bright gleam.  I was
facing due east.  Up fron the pine trees came this
bright object, obviously reflecting the sun, which was
behind me.  It rose in a southerly direction from a
point 20 degrees above the horizon to 45 degrees
above the horizon.  Airplane, I thought, and went
back to my reading.
     A few minutes later, I looked up from the page
and was startled to find the bright object in the
exact same position.  It hadn't moved at all.  I
frowned, putting down the book.  What is that thing?
     Staring at it, I could see that it was a flattened
disc, bright silver in color, nearly as shiny as the
chrome bumper on my father's 1955 Chevrolet
Bel-Air.  It had definite edges and it hovered motionless
in the blue sky.  I'd estimate that it was about a mile
east of me, somewhere above then-rural Arcade Avenue.
     I heard my relatives chatting in the front yard and
realized they couldn't see the object.  So I hollered,
"Hey!  Come here!  You've got to see this!"
     They ignored me.  The hubbub of conversation
went on.  I hollered again.  "Get out here--quick!"
     Still no response.  My throat getting hoarse, I
tried again.  "Come on!  You're missing it!"
     Minutes passed as I watched the daylight disc.
Then it zipped away in a southeasterly direction, taking
precisely two seconds to reach the horizon.  I know
because I was counting, "One thousand, two thousand,"
and it was gone.
    I blinked at the horizon, thinking, I just saw a
flying saucer!
     While sitting there, I heard a tremendous thundering
behind me.  Jumping up, I saw a U.S. Navy jet fighter
come barreling over the neighborhood, afterburners
at full roar.  The plane flew towards the southeast,
following the same trajectory the disc had two minutes
earlier.
     I have seen a lot of aircraft during the ensuing
thirty-five years.  But I have never seen any airplane
anywhere, not even the F-16, match the breathless
speed of that flattened silver disc.
     I do not know what the disc was.  But I can
identify the jet.  It was a Vought F-8 Crusader, with
the black letters NAVY clearly visible on the underside
of the wings.
     Many years later, I happened to read the NICAP
book, THE UFO EVIDENCE, and learned that two
silver daylight discs had been seen by a pair of teenaged
boys, just a few years older than myself, in Biddeford,
Maine at 12:30 p.m. on August 18, 1963.
     Even more surprising, I read Mr. Joshi's biography
of H.P. Lovecraft in 1996 and learned that, in 1903, at
the age of thirteen, Lovecraft used to roam the woods
in Seekonk along the state line.  That, of course, is the
old Martin farm in Seekonk, which was sold and
subdivided into streets--Malta, Fay and Hunt Streets--
around 1910.  A decade later, in 1921, my grandfather
bought the bungalow on Malta Street, most likely
unaware that the land had once been a favorite
haunt of Lovecraft's.
     I was even more surprised to learn from Joshi's
book that Lovecraft and his mother, the former Susan
Sarah Phillips, daughter of the notorious Whipple V.
Phillips, spent 1908 in White River Junction, Vermont,
a town and time period known to all students of
Charles Fort.
     What does it all mean?  I have no idea.  All I
know is that, thirty-five years ago, I saw a silver disc
hover in broad afternoon daylight, and it kindled my
lifelong interest in the phenomenon of UFOs.

     Here's another anniversary for August 18.  On that
date in 1587, Virginia Dare became the first child of
British ancestry to be born in North America.  She
was born at Sir Walter Raleigh's colony at Roanoke
In Virginia.  The War of the Spanish Armada prevented
Britain from contacting the Roanoke colony for four
years.  When a British ship finally came calling in
1591, there found to colony abandoned and no trace
of the colonists.  The only clue to the colonists' fate
was a mysterious word, Croatan, carved into the
bark of a tree.

     Join us next weekend for more saucer news
from "the paper that goes home--UFO Roundup."
See you then.

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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:38:41 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:24:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


      More On The Revelations
   **** Involving The 3/13/97 Flyover Of Arizona ****
      ... by Michael L. Morton

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400
>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97:
>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
>in unscrupulous ways.

No, Mark ... you're dead wrong! Prepare to eat some humble
pie, Mr. Cashman.

So; I'm just 'manipulating numbers' .... pulling them out of
thin air, eh ?

OK ... let's start with what inspired me to look at a copy of
the USGS Topographical Map 7.5-minute Series for Phoenix (Az)
Quadrangle.

On the night of August 10th/11th of 1998, Peter Davenport was a
guest during the first hour of the Art Bell radio program, and
Peter played a tape of a caller to the UFO Reporting Center ....
a call that came just a few hours after the 3/13/97 Flyover of
Arizona. This tape was then edited from about 40 minutes, down
to about 3 or 4 minutes, while a detailed local investigation
was carried-out in the Phoenix area over a period of many
months, in an attempt to corroborate the key details mentioned
on this tape by the caller. Peter said that they HAVE been able
to corroborate 100 % of these key details, through the local
investigation involving many eye-witnesses.

One of these key 'details', played on the tape for the Art Bell
listening audience on the night of August 10th/11th 1998, was
the caller saying that the gigantic UFO had "stopped for 4
minutes" over "the intersection of 7th Avenue and Indian School
Road" in Phoenix. This motivated me to look at the USGS topo map
(noted above) to see what latitude and longitude coordinates are
at the center of that intersection. My thinking was that maybe
the intelligence piloting the UFO was signaling an importance or
'relevance' concerning that intersection. I also paid attention
to the time period of this "stopover" .... 4 minutes; not so
much the 'minutes', but the *number* 4.

Having worked with Carl P. Munck's rediscovered 'Geomath
planetary grid matrix' for a number of years now, I calculated
coordinates for the approximate middle of the above
intersection: Longitude W.Greenwich 112 deg 04 min 59.62 sec
Latitude North 33 deg 29 min 41.25 sec

At this point, I need to explain that Carl P. Munck has found
that our "ancient prime meridian" does not run through
Greenwich, England, but instead passes through the center of The
Great Pyramid of Giza. (see http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm)
This is an extremely important discovery (or, rediscovery) by
Munck.

 So; we add the longitude distance between Greenwich and Giza ...
31 deg 08 min 0.8 sec ... onto the above longitude, to get the actual
W. Giza Longitude:
 112 deg 04 min 59.62 sec
+ 31     08      0.80
 -----------------------------------
 143 deg 12 min 60.42 sec W.Giza

There's one more step necessary to get the "Grid Longitude" ...
and that is to multiply the number of degrees x no. of minutes
x no. of seconds:

 143 (deg) x 12 (min) x 60.42 (sec) = 103680.72

At this stage, we have an "approximation" of a 'matrix-valid'
Grid Longitude.

As we study this matrix, we are becoming more adept at
recognizing the significant parameters that are encoded within
it. One such parameter is The Precession Cycle of Earth in
years. (Author and researcher Graham Hancock discusses Earth's
Precession Cycle in his latest book, "The Mars Mystery").
Recall, now, that the caller to Peter Davenport reported that
the Phoenix UFO had "stopped for 4 minutes" over that particular
intersection.

One complete Precession Cycle of Earth is 25,920 years .... and
*4 times* that number is exactly 103680. In this case, I would
say that we have our specific Grid Longitude of 103680 W.Giza
"alluded-to" by the UFO:

 143 (deg) x 12 (min) x 60.41958042 (sec) = 103680 W.Giza
             = 25920 x 4

Based on Munck's system, I have rediscovered the Geomath
planetary matrix numbers for Rennes Le Chateau in the South of
France, a very important historical site, possibly involved in a
secret lineage of Jesus Christ (see the book "Holy Blood, Holy
Grail"). My figures for Rennes Le Chateau show 103680 North for
its Grid Latitude: 42 (deg) x 55 (min) x 44.88311688 (sec) =
103680 North = 25920 x 4 I saw that Bruce Cathie has a latitude
of 42 deg 55 min 44.8 sec for Rennes Le Chateau in his book,
"The Harmonic Conquest of Space", on page 109. I used his
figures as a starting point, and applied Munck's system. (Grid
Longitude for Rennes Le Chateau is 16501.1845 W.Giza, and Grid
Point Value is 2Pi).

Now; as for the Grid Latitude of the "4-minute stopover" of the
Phoenix Flyover of 03-13-97:

  33 (deg) x 29 (min) x 41.25 (sec) = 39476.25

This is our "approximation". Again; from studying this matrix
for several years, I can recognize important encoded
information, such as the mathematical constant of Pi .... the
ratio of the circumference to the diameter of any true circle or
sphere. The "base-10 system" is another encoded component of
this deeply-ancient matrix. Our precise Grid Latitude:

33 (deg) x 29 (min) x 41.252265 (sec) = 39478.4176 North
= (2Pi) Squared x 1000

To get the Grid Point Value ... the point of "intersection" ...
we take the ratio of Grid Longitude to Grid Latitude ... always
larger-over-smaller:

  103680 / 39478.4176 = 2.62624508
        = 0.65656127 x 4

Not only is that Phoenix intersection at 7th Avenue and Indian
School Road showing us a decimal harmonic of the Grid Point
Value of 'The Face' @ Cydonia on Mars, by-way-of the "4-minute
stopover"...

see:http://www.greatdreams.com/gem2.htm)

   103680 / 39478.4176 / 4 = 0.65656127
    Grid   Grid   min
    Long.  Lat.  stopover

but also .... "we" are being shown, by-way-of that decimal
harmonic ... ... FOUR .... 4 ..... very conspicuous entities.
These 'entities' should look quite familiar to us here on Earth:

 656.56127 = (360 x Radian deg) / (10 x Pi)

Hmmmmm !! Let's see ....

 1) 360 arc-degrees on a complete circumference
 2) Pi ... ratio of circumferece to diameter
 3) Radian (deg) ... the length on the circumference equal to the
    length of the radius
 4) 10 ... our master "base-ten" number

As I've said before on the Internet, it could be that the covert
forces have used explosives on 'The Face' to mutilate it and
thus make it appear more 'natural', or they have tampered with
the MGS data before sending the 'photos' to the public, or they
have used a combination of these ploys.

But ... good news ... they can't get rid of the precise Grid
Point of 'The Face' !!!! They can't erase or hide the exact
LOCATION of 'The Face' as documented in the 1976 NASA Viking
photos !!!

    ----The White House Connection ----

On July 20th, I attended a dinner-lecture on behalf of Frances
Barwood's campaign for Secretary Of State of Arizona. This event
was held at The Tempe Mission Palms Hotel in Tempe, Az. The main
speaker was Richard C. Hoagland. During his talk, Hoagland said
that 'reliable sources' have told him that on the night of the
Flyover of Arizona, 3/13/97, President Clinton did NOT "stumble
on some steps at the estate of Greg Norman in Florida". That,
Hoagland said, was "a cover story for what really happened".
*Immediately* after the Flyover of Arizona, he said, President
Clinton was shot with a bullet through the knee, and all of the
Secret Service agents with him at that moment were murdered.

We know that Clinton was sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital after
his "accident". Hoagland further told the audience that a
special physical therapist was flown to Bethesda to treat Bill
Clinton. This therapist was chosen because he had "top secret
clearances, AND because he had developed his own unique regimen
for the treatment of gunshot wounds to bone joints".

Additionally, Hoagland said that the Secret Service 'logs' for
one particular date have been found to be "missing" from the
record files. This particular date is March 13, 1997. This, said
Hoagland, is a likely reason for the considerable amount of time
spent by Kenneth Starr in interviewing Secret Service personnel
during the current 'investigation' involving Bill Clinton.

I found a very striking correlation between the Grid Longitude
of the intersection at 7th Avenue and Indian School Road in
Phoenix, and the Grid Latitude of the center of The White House
in Washington, D.C. .... an exact match:

Grid Latitude of The White House .... 38 (deg) x 53 (min) x
51.4796425 (sec) = 103680 North = 25920 x 4

Recall the Grid Latitude of Rennes Le Chateau is also ... 103680
North. Is not the Phoenix "intersection" a metaphor for 'the
cross', in this case ? Not only is this obviously apparent, but
it is also apparent that an intersection or a cross is a
metaphor for how Grid Longitudes and Grid Latitudes come
together to form Grid Point Values!

And what is the Grid Point Value of Rennes Le Chateau ? 2Pi.
Double Pi, which is the NUMBER of Radian (deg) on one complete
circumference: 360 degrees = 2Pi x Radian (deg)

And what is the Grid Point Value of the Phoenix intersection ?
(2Pi) Squared, times 1000 .... a decimal harmonic of the
"Square" of Double Pi. An intersection forms how many "square"
corners ? FOUR !!!

       Context And Content
  ---- Blow-Away The "RANDOM" or "COINCIDENCE" Argument ----

Looking at the number of specific locations, time periods,
events, and the precisely congruent "Grid" numbers involved
here, it is simply dramatically obvious that this is NOT any
sort of "random coincidence". On the contrary, this is indeed a
"major revelation" on several 'levels'. We, The People, are
being clearly signaled that there are extremely important things
that we need to be aware of:

1) The 'Geomath grid matrix' that Carl P. Munck has rediscovered
is NOT the result of "pulling numbers out of the air to make
them fit" the locations.

2) The 'Geomath grid matrix' is *very carefully* shown to us by
its designers.

3) This 'Geomath grid matrix' is being used NOW ... as in
"present-day- reality", to help us become aware of the
outrageous Cover-Ups involving UFO secrecy, ET reality, major
artifacts and monuments on Mars, lost and suppressed advanced
science and technology, our true ancient heritage and identity,
and the existence of powerful covert groups of people who have
perpetrated these Cover-Ups.

4) We need to pay serious attention to this EVIDENCE ... it is
REAL, TANGIBLE ... *evidence*!

5) The 'Face On Mars' at Cydonia is an artificial monument!
Therefore ... we ... yes ... We, The People ... have an
extraterrestrial heritage!

Mr. Cashman and Mr. Hatch: Open wide, please, gentlemen .... as
I shove this 'humble pie' down your throats. I think you both
need this, badly. .... "Down the Hatch" ....

>And no, I'm not going to spend time on discussing the reasons
>why this kind of stuff is a sheer waste of time.

Of course you don't want to "spend time" on discussing it, Mr.
Cashman! If you took the time to really examine this kind of
solid evidence, involving our rediscovered 'Geomath planetary
grid matrix', your whole pseudo- skeptical world might crumble
on you !!!

 .... Michael Lawrence Morton   Archeocryptographer &
Alpha-numerologist (http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm)







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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Alex Field <alex@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:15:14 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:04:13 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
>To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400

>Dear list,

>Using the combined high-tech imaging tools of Photoshop 4.0 and
>JASC Software, we at FSG have been able to uncover some startling
>enhancements of what may very well be an alien language/symbol in
>not just the alleged Roswell crash debris, but also on Col.
>Marcel's forehead, shirt collar, and on the curtain behind him!

>Please see the attached .JPG.

 Scott C. Carr

Thats funny, I can't see these symbols and wait, they are all the
same, just copied pasted and rotated. I think your pulling our leg.

And don't you think you have slightly over enhanced the image. There
is no sign of this much enhancement done by J.B.Johnson and Team.

All the best

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                  Press Report From Seattle UFO Conference

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:31:10 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:52:54 -0400
Subject: Press Report From Seattle UFO Conference


Source: The Seattle Times

http://www.seattletimes.com/news/local/html98/ufoo_081798.html


Stig

*******

Copyright =A9 1998 The Seattle Times Company

Posted at 05:32 a.m. PDT; Monday, August 17, 1998

'We know they exist,' says alien researcher at conference


by Hugo Kugiya
Seattle Times staff reporter


The windows of the Flag Pavilion were covered with black
cardboard, not out of fear of searchlights from black
helicopters, or the peering eyes of agents in black suits and
sunglasses.

The hangar-like room at Seattle Center was darkened in order to
show slides and short films to about 150 people gathered to
discuss extraterrestrial life. Not the possibility of it, but
the reality of it.

"We know about misidentification and hoaxes," said Terry
Tibando, member of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial
Intelligence (CSETI), a network of believers, which sponsored
yesterday's all-day workshop. "We've considered all the contrary
arguments. We don't question the possibility. We know they
exist."

The ideas put forth yesterday at the workshop - abductions,
alien craft shot down by the military, alien technology stolen
by the government, the desire of giant corporations to instill
fear of an alien invasion - if remotely true would be the
biggest news story of the millennium. Such assertions are
confined mostly to late-night talk radio and plots of movies and
television shows.

Given the weight of the message, much of what was heard
yesterday in the Flag Pavilion sounded surprisingly down to
earth. It resembled, in many ways, a religious revival.

Joy Gilbert, from Eugene, spoke yesterday of once visiting her
grown daughter in Sisters, Ore., and being taken aboard an alien
craft by doe-eyed escorts, who examined her in the glow of a
brilliant blue light.

She spoke with passion of communicating with a kind, loving
alien being, whom she realized had appeared in her dreams all
her life and who remains an invisible presence.

Tibando believes that in his lifetime, aliens will show
themselves to humans and will live among us. He says they have
not yet shown themselves because "we're not mature enough to
deal with them in a mature manner."

"They see us as a maturing, interesting species," Tibando said.
"But we've reacted to them with aggression. We scramble jets to
shoot them down. So what they're doing now is quarantining us.
It sounds like 'The X-Files' but it's not; it goes way beyond
that."

As with gods, whom worshipers do not see but believe in
nonetheless, some faith is required here.

The aliens, Tibando said, have left us a trail of bread crumbs:
geometric shapes burned into wheat fields, numerous sightings of
spacecraft, individual encounters like Gilbert's.

The goal of Tibando and others associated with CSETI is full
disclosure. Highly placed officials in the military and in
industry know about our relationship with aliens, Tibando said.

Last June an international panel of reputable scientists
concluded enough unexplained, physical evidence accompanying UFO
sightings exists to warrant further investigation.

The study, led by Stanford University physicist Peter Sturrock,
cited evidence such as burns to witnesses of UFO sightings,
radar detections of unexplained objects, strange lights
appearing repeatedly in the skies in certain areas, aberrations
in the operation of automobiles, and radiation and other damage
found in vegetation.

A 50-page report was compiled by the panel, composed of
scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Cornell and Princeton universities, the universities of Arizona
and Virginia, and institutions in France and Germany, among
others. But the greater scientific community still is reluctant
to dignify such ideas with a response, for fear of blurring the
line between legitimate scientific research and the beliefs of a
fringe group.

Only time will tell whether the fringe was, all along, the only
people smart enough to foretell one of the greatest events of
mankind.

"We need Congress to demand an investigation," said Deborah
Foch, with CSETI. "Otherwise, most of us will not know."


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              Martian Meteorites: New Data Refute Old Theories

From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:21:08 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:58:32 -0400
Subject: Martian Meteorites: New Data Refute Old Theories

Source: Discovery (Channel) Online

http://www.discovery.com/news/briefs/brief5.html

Stig

*******

Bits of Mars Get Closer Look

New data from Martian meteorites found on Earth is challenging
old ideas about what region of the Red Planet they came from and
how they made the long journey here.

Michael Lipshutz, a Purdue University chemist, recently analyzed
the chemical composition of a dozen meteorites and reports that
they originated from six distinct Martian regions. Initially
scientists speculated they might have come from one geographic
area.

The meteorites tested were collected from around the Earth, from
Antarctica to India, and included the famous rock that was
suspected of bearing signs of ancient life.

Each of the half-dozen regions on Mars that produced the
meteorites are separate from the others, says Lipshutz, whose
research is in the July issue of the research journal
Meteoritics and Planetary Science.

His analysis found that the meteorites contained the same
elements, including cadmium, bismuth, thallium, and silver, but
in different amounts, leading to his conclusion they came from
different regions of the planet.

"The major significance of the work is that Dr. Lipschutz has
found the 12 meteorites are from different source regions of the
planet," says Nadine Barlow, professor of astronomy at the
University of Central Florida. "That gives us some idea of how
many impacts we've had on Mars in order to knock this material
off," she says.

In theory, the chunks of Martian rock that ended up here may
have started their journey in a way similar to how billiard
balls move around a pool table, some scientists say. A rock in
space may have slammed into Mars, with the impact knocking a
piece of the planet into space, where scientists say it wandered
around until it eventually fell to Earth.

The age of the meteorites varies widely, notes Matthew
Golombeck, project scientist of NASA'S Mars Pathfinder. Some, he
says, are only 180 million years old -- "that's like yesterday,"
he comments. One dates to 4.5 billion years ago-- nearly as old
as the solar system
itself.

By Harvey Black, Discovery Channel Online News

Related Stories

*Rogue Rocks From Outer Space

*Space and Spacecraft=BF


DISCOVERY ONLINE


Picture: David J. Phillip/Associated Press |

Copyright =A9 1998 Discovery Communications Inc.





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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:56:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:38:41 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>No, Mark ... you're dead wrong! Prepare to eat some humble
>pie, Mr. Cashman.

>So; I'm just 'manipulating numbers' .... pulling them out of
>thin air, eh ?

Ah, I see, you're going to demonstrate that this is not the
case. So here we go to the detailed physically based
reasoning...

>My thinking was that maybe
>the intelligence piloting the UFO was signaling an importance or
>'relevance' concerning that intersection. I also paid attention
>to the time period of this "stopover" .... 4 minutes; not so
>much the 'minutes', but the *number* 4.

So, UFOs use our time units. And they use our street corners to
"communicate". This is completely arbitrary. And how do you know
it was _exactly_ four minutes? Are you sure it wasn't 4.1? or
3.97?...

And how do you know they were _exactly_ over the center of the
intersection? Do you have a theodolite triangulation I don't
know about? Or were they .002383 degrees from the center? Or
maybe .0000327 degrees?

And how do you know the UFO didn't hover elsewhere for five
minutes? How will your calculations react if the UFO is a flare
or an aircraft?

>At this point, I need to explain that Carl P. Munck has found
>that our "ancient prime meridian" does not run through
>Greenwich, England, but instead passes through the center of The
>Great Pyramid of Giza. (see http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm)
>This is an extremely important discovery (or, rediscovery) by
>Munck.

So who is Munck and why should I care? The only mentions of his
name on the entire web are on a bunch of New Age mystical pages.
He's not a noted archaeologist, that much is clear.

For those who really need a reference, definitely try

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm

where you will read...

"The great mysteries of life are quite elusive. We do not have
the 'hard facts' needed to feel sure that our theories about the
mysteries are true. Sometimes we feel sure, but convincing
others is not so easy. Alas, they want 'facts,' and we cannot
produce them."

[Quotes are theirs]

I suppose this is the basis for your reasoning? "Feelings"?

But even if Munck had some sort of real reputation, and even if
"the ancient prime meridian"(whatever that is) passed through
the center of the Great Pyramid (an astounding discovery
completely ignored by all contemporary Egyptoloists), why should
I consider that to have any relevance whatsoever to UFOs?

No, please, don't answer that.

(Lots of "math" skipped)

>Based on Munck's system, I have rediscovered the Geomath
>planetary matrix numbers for Rennes Le Chateau in the South of
>France, a very important historical site, possibly involved in a
>secret lineage of Jesus Christ (see the book "Holy Blood, Holy
>Grail").

(more "math" skipped)

>As I've said before on the Internet, it could be that the covert
>forces have used explosives on 'The Face' to mutilate it and
>thus make it appear more 'natural', or they have tampered with
>the MGS data before sending the 'photos' to the public, or they
>have used a combination of these ploys. "

Come on, Michael, I predicted people would say exactly that
quite a while ago. You forgot to throw in the one about how the
face was designed to look artificial at only the Viking image
sun angle...

>The main
>speaker was Richard C. Hoagland. During his talk, Hoagland said
>that 'reliable sources' have told him that on the night of the
>Flyover of Arizona, 3/13/97, President Clinton did NOT "stumble
>on some steps at the estate of Greg Norman in Florida". That,
>Hoagland said, was "a cover story for what really happened".
>*Immediately* after the Flyover of Arizona, he said, President
>Clinton was shot with a bullet through the knee, and all of the
>Secret Service agents with him at that moment were murdered.

So you think this is reliable information. Hoagland, "a former
NASA consultant" is the only one to know this deep dark secret.
Not a single investigative journalist catches on. All of the
doctors are shot or blackmailed or drowned. Clinton gets an
artificial kneecap and heals in record time. But still, somehow,
Hoagland knows! Jeez!

I "feel" like I'm reading the Weekly World News.

>I found a very striking correlation between the Grid Longitude
>of the intersection at 7th Avenue and Indian School Road in
>Phoenix, and the Grid Latitude of the center of The White House
>in Washington, D.C. .... an exact match:

Now are you sure this is the actual center? I mean, did you use
the centroid of the polygon? Did you include the porch and the
paths? Or account for the placement of the White House on the
lawn? Any special reason why the center of the White House might
be interesting as opposed to the center of, say, the Oval
Office? And how come Congress was left out? The Federal Reserve?
The location of the Declaration Of Independence? Is there a
message in that somewhere?

>Looking at the number of specific locations, time periods,
>events, and the precisely congruent "Grid" numbers involved
>here, it is simply dramatically obvious that this is NOT any
>sort of "random coincidence". On the contrary, this is indeed a
>"major revelation" on several 'levels'. We, The People, are
>being clearly signaled that there are extremely important things
>that we need to be aware of:

>This 'Geomath grid matrix' is being used NOW ... as in
>"present-day- reality", to help us become aware of the
>outrageous Cover-Ups involving UFO secrecy, ET reality, major
>artifacts and monuments on Mars, lost and suppressed advanced
>science and technology, our true ancient heritage and identity,
>and the existence of powerful covert groups of people who have
>perpetrated these Cover-Ups.

>We need to pay serious attention to this EVIDENCE ... it is
>REAL, TANGIBLE ... *evidence*!

Which part of this evidence can be touched? In fact, what part
of it is not based on flawed data, reasoning and plain made up
stuff?

>The 'Face On Mars' at Cydonia is an artificial monument!
>Therefore ... we ... yes ... We, The People ... have an
>extraterrestrial heritage!

So that explains the New York taxi drivers.

"No, not as many as you'd think."

(just kidding, guys)

>Mr. Cashman and Mr. Hatch: Open wide, please, gentlemen .... as
>I shove this 'humble pie' down your throats. I think you both
>need this, badly. .... "Down the Hatch" ....

>Of course you don't want to "spend time" on discussing it, Mr.
>Cashman! If you took the time to really examine this kind of
>solid evidence, involving our rediscovered 'Geomath planetary
>grid matrix', your whole pseudo- skeptical world might crumble
>on you !!!

>.... Michael Lawrence Morton  Archeocryptographer &
>Alpha-numerologist (http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm)

Ah, so that was _your_ website I found...

Michael, I'm usually pretty polite to people with whom I
disagree. I usually can expect a common foundation of respect
for reason and the scientific method.

But, frankly, you have managed to pile, all in one place,
everything that is wrong in contemporary UFOlogy. I'm going to
try to list them...

1) Assuming coincidence is correlation is causation. You don't
bother with meeting standards of proof that phenomena are
related.

2) Assuming everything is meaningful, and all of it is part of a
conspiracy carried out flawlessly - except that a few special
people know the truth, but are ignored by the foolish and
suppressed by the heartless. It's the plot of a poorly written
thriller, and I've read it before.

3) Use of numbers without worrying about the available precision
of the measurements. For instance, you convert the coordinates,
but you don't worry about the datum, about the revision of your
maps, about the effects of map projection. You don't have a
triangulation to verify the exact location of the object. You
don't have a stopwatch for the duration. Yet for your
calculations to work, it has to be
4.000000000000000000000000000000000000000 minutes, not
4.432365237292009783097840937409740237409 minutes or
3.78920230303 minutes.

4) Misusing misinformation about archaeology. Do you actually
know anything about the development of earth coordinate systems?
I think not. Do you know much about ancient map grids?
Apparently not. How precise do you think those maps were? How
precise was the information available about the actual
sphericity of the earth? Do you even know that the earth is not
a perfect sphere? Have you ever seen an Egyptian map? Do you
know when and why the Great Pyramid was built, according to the
work of real archaologists?

5) Ignoring all of the possible alternatives. Do you know how
many places are on the latitude and longitude lines that include
the White House? How many completely or not so completely
insignificant places? How many places in Washington DC alone?

Michael, the world is not some combination of Stargate, Erich
von Daniken, and the X-Files.

Perhaps you don't realize it, but the misinformation you spread
does have an effect on the respectability of UFO study as a
potentially scientific discipline. People like Paul Hill get
lumped in with people like Carl Munck. People like Richard
Haines don't get heard because Hoagland is making too much crazy
noise, and the media finds it "entertaining". So we all suffer.

What a waste.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
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                       A Tribute to Dr. J. Allen Hynek

From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <pharaoh@web2000.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:11:33 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:55:45 -0400
Subject: A Tribute to Dr. J. Allen Hynek

A Tribute to Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910 - 1986)
8/16/98

Greeting, Lists,

Who was Dr. J. Allen Hynek?.

He came into this world at time in1910 at the time of the visit
of Halley's comet, and as he often told his friends, he expected
to depart during the next passage of the comet. Indeed that was
the case. His influence and prestige in ufology are undeniable,
he was careful in the data he selected, he was considered an
extremely competent, cautious scientist, and yet his name is
seldom mentioned today.

Hynek was not only an accomplished scientist in his field of
interest (Astro-physics), but also he arrived at the UFO camp
by the back door, after being a consultant to the Air Force for
near twenty years and being exposed to documentation which made
the denial of the phenomenon puerile. He considered the UFO
phenomenon as scientific and hence to be tackled with the
methods of science, research and investigation.

Our relationship with Dr. Hynek was brief, and extended over the
last years of his life. We could like to share with you some
unknown or little known UFO cases we investigated with him;
Filiberto Cardena's Case (Miami), William Orti'z Case
(Colombia), Ricardo's Saga (Argentina)

Visit our newsletter Web Page MIAMI UFO REPORTER at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/1341/index.html

Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
Miami UFO Center

"When the solution to the UFO puzzle comes, I think it will
prove not to be  just a step in the march of science, but a





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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:19:38 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:03:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo


>From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:07:22 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>>From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

Hello Dr. Johnson, Mr. Hand, and the rest -

I will note up front that I didn't really want to get into this
fight, but there is so much inaccurate information being sent,
that I thought I should straighten some of it out. I'll also
note that my many attempts to clear the air with Dr. Johnson
have failed because of a lack of
response on his part.

Having said that, let's look at the latest :

>William Hand:

>Thank you for your response re. the etiology of the Roswell
>'flying saucer' debris, which I photographed in General Ramey's
>office on July 8, 1947. I have seriously and diligently tried to
>locate _any_ evidence that the debris I photographed was anything
>_other_ than the debris gathered up by Major Marcel on the ranch
>near Roswell. I have been totally unable to unearth _any_ evidence
>whatsoever to support the 'balloon switch' theory.

Except, of course, that is what General DuBose, one of the men
in two of the photographs told researchers in 1990. And, of
course that General Ramey told Johnson, personally, in 1947,
that he was looking at a weather balloon.

>I have had conversations at length with the only two other
>individuals still living who saw and actually touched the debris
>- Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr., Irving Newton. Jesse Jr. recalls that
>his dad told him that at least some of the debris in General
>Ramey's office was the "real stuff" and Irving Newton says there
>is no doubt in his mind that the debris he saw and examined in
>Ramey's office was the same that Marcel brought from New Mexico.
>Newton also told me that Marcel followed him around the
>general's office that afternoon trying to get him to examine
>closely the symbols on some of the "sticks" that Marcel believed
>were "not of this world".

Forgetting for the moment that there are several others still
living whoclaim to have held the debris including Bill Brazel,
Jr., Loretta Proctor, and Sallye Tadolini, this whole paragraph
is confusing. Marcel, Sr. took real debris to Fort Worth to show
General Ramey. But according to Marcel, Sr., that was not the
stuff on the floor. Get it? The stuff on the floor was a weather
balloon, which is all that Irving Newton saw. He believes that
it was the stuff  brought from New Mexico because that was what
he had been told, and, in fact, that balloon might have been
brought from New Mexico. But it was NOT the stuff found on the
Brazel (or Foster, if you want to nitpick) ranch. Newton's
conclusion about it is irrelevant because he never knew where
that debris came from. He just believed it to be from New
Mexico.

If we follow Johnson's line of thought here, then we must
believe that Marcel had collected the balloon and didn't
recognize it.

However, Irving Newton told me that he didn't know Marcel
personally, nor did he know Major Charles Cashon, the PIO in
Fort Worth in 1947. Marcel said that he didn't speak to the
reporters. If that is true, then the Major to whom Newton
referred must have been someone else, and the best candidate is
the PIO, who was also present. In other words, it was Cashon who
followed Newton around and not Marcel.

>I also have discussed this point carefully and at length with
>several of the major Roswell writers, including Stan Friedman,
>Kevin Randle, Bill Moore and Philip Klass. None of them have
>advanced ANY real evidence that there was any 'switch' or
>'dummying' of the real Roswell debris.

The evidence is in the form of the testimony of the participants
in the events. There are two (other than Johson) who commented
on it. General DuBose, who said that he never saw the real
debris and Irving Newton, who identified the material in Ramey's
office as a rawin target and weather balloon. The "switch" was
made BEFORE the material was spread out on the office floor. It
was not the stuff that had been found in New Mexico.

>Marcel's role in the Roswell Event apparently was not fully
>reported until he was interviewed by Stan Friedman and Bill
>Moore about 30 years later. This is reported in 'The Roswell
>Incident', written by Bill Moore and Charles Berlitz, and
>published in 1980. In that account Marcel was asked:

>"Do you think that what you saw was a weather balloon?"

>Marcel replied:

>"It was not. I was pretty well acquainted with most everything
>that was in the air at that time, both ours and foreign. I was
>also acquainted with virtually every type of weather-observation
>or radar tracking device being used by either the civilians or
>the military. It was definitely not a weather or tracking
>device, nor was it any sort of plane or missile. What it was we
>didn't know. We just picked up the fragments. It was something I
>had never seen before, or since, for that matter. I didn't know
>what it was, but it certainly wasn't anything built by us and it
>most certainly wasn't any weather balloon." (page 72.) As far as
>I know Marcel never changed that statement.

And there is nothing here to suggest that the material on the
floor in General Ramey's office was not a weather balloon. It is
a statement about what he found in the New Mexican desert. It is
a statement that is consistent with others he made about this,
but has nothing to do with what transpired in General Ramey's
office.

>Later in the Moore-Berlitz book Marcel says:

>"...that next afternoon we loaded everything into a B-29 on
>orders from Colonel Blanchard and flew it all to Fort Worth...
>Just after we got to Carswell, Fort Worth, we were told to bring
>some of this stuff up to the General's office - that he wanted
>to take a look at it. We did this and spread it out on the floor
>on some brown paper." (I certainly can vouch for that statement,
>William, since I helped to spread it out on the general's carpet
>in trying to pose a decent photo of the junk.)

>Marcel continued: "What we had was only a very small portion of
>the debris - there was a whole lot more. There was half a
>B-29-full outside. General Ramey allowed some members of the
>press in to take a picture of this stuff. They took one picture
>of me on the floor holding up some of the less interesting
>metallic debris... the stuff in that one photo was pieces of the
>actual stuff we had found. It was not a staged photo." (pages
>74-75.) (Actually, I took two pictures of Marcel, which have
>been reproduced in numerous books published since that time. No
>other pictures have surfaced of him.)

Of course, this is not the only statement attributed to Marcel
by Moore and Berlitz. Moore provided a transcript of that
interview that now said, "There was half a B-29 full outside.
General [Roger Maxwell, brackets in original] allowed the press
in to take TWO pictures of the stuff. I WAS IN ONE AND HE AND
COL. DUBOSE WERE IN THE OTHER (emphasis added). The press was
allowed to photograph this but weren't allowed far enough into
the room to touch it."

In the article published in FOCUS, the quote is changed again.
They wrote, "In his interview with Moore, Maj. Marcel maintained
that the debris in the TWO photos of him is the real stuff."

Please note that the quotes changed as Moore found additional
photographs taken in Ramey's office so that he could first,
account for the number with Marcel, and second, for the fact
that all the debris looked the same.

However, that is not the end of the story. Johnny Mann, a
reporter for WWL-TV in New Orleans accompanied Marcel to
Roswell. When he saw the pictures in the book, Mann said, "Jess,
I gotta tell you, that looks like a balloon." Marcel confirmed
that it was a balloon and not the stuff he had found outside of
Roswell when he said, "No. No. That picture was staged. That's
not the stuff I brought from home."

Finally, notice that Johnson conveniently forgot the part of the
Marcel quote that said reporters were NOT allowed into the
office or to TOUCH the stuff. How does that square with his new
claim that he unwrapped the stuff, or that he helped spread it
out.

What we learn here is that the reporting by Moore is not
accurate. Moore provided three versions of the quotes by Maarcel
so it is evident that Moore had been manipulating the data to
conform with the changing facts. None of this, however, supports
Johnson's claims of "real" debris on the floor of Ramey's
office.

>The 'balloon switch' story apparently stemmed from an
additional
>comment from Marcel:

>"Later, they cleared out our wreckage and substituted some of
>their own. Then they allowed more photos.... I was not in these.
>I believe there were taken with the General and one of his
>aides." (page 75.) It is obvious that the intervening 30 years
>had dimmed the memory of Marcel. A close observation of the
>photos I took of him, General Ramey and Colonel Dubose all
>clearly show the _same_ debris displayed just as I had posed it.
>There was NO switch of ANY of the material.

Please note that this quote from Marcel is not accurate. All the
photos were of the weather balloon debris. So, there was no
switch of material on the floor, but that material was not what
had been found in Roswell.

And let's not forget Johnson's own words, recorded on audio
tape, with his permission. He said, "I posed General Ramey with
this debris. At that time I was briefed on the idea that it was
not a flying disk as first reported but in fact was a weather
balloon that had crashed."

That quote is unambiguous. Johnson was told, by Ramey, when he
took the fabled pictures that it was a weather balloon and there
is nothing in the photographs to alter that conclusion.

It is also obvious that six of the seven pictures taken in
Ramey's office were taken by Johnson. All show the same stuff.
All show the weather balloon.

>So, William, unless you or someone else has some real
>_evidence_ to the contrary - not just speculation - I am afraid
>that the 'balloon switch' fable must remain just that.

Excuse me. Marcel said that they moved the real material out.
Doesn't that suggest a switch right there? And lets' not forget
what Colonel DuBose had to say about all this. The comments are
recorded on video tape, and copies of the tape are in the video
libraries of the Fund for UFO Research and the Center for UFO
Studies.

DuBose said to numerous investigators that he NEVER saw any of
the real debris. That would mean that the material on the floor
in General Ramey's office was NOT the real stuff. There were NOT
bits of the real stuff mixed in with it.

So, I guess we can have it both ways here. There was real
material in Ramey's office and the stuff on the floor was a
weather balloon. The material on the floor was not switched, but
then, it was never the real stuff either.

In fact, by narrowly focusing the question, we can cause
confusion. But, by expanding the situation we can understand
what happened. The real point is that the stuff on the floor was
a balloon and the switch was made before Johnson ever arrived.

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                         Much UFO Activity in France

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:05:51 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:09:49 -0400
Subject: Much UFO Activity in France


In the newsgroup posting which follows at the end Jan-H. Raabe
is forwarding a clipping from the "Berliner Morgenpost" August
17. The text is in German, and as he only gives a short summary
in English, including a few comments, I have translated the
clipping verbatim except for a more exact localization of the
towns in question. URL

http://www.berliner-morgenpost.de/bin/bm/e?u=3D/bm/inhalt/heute/aus_aller_
welt/story04.html

Stig

*******

UFOs observed in France

BM/SAD Paris - UFO week in France: Mysterious lights in the sky,
suspicious-looking tracks in an orchard and extraordinary
noises.

20 inhabitants, approximately, of the village of Prauthoy in
Eastern France (about 30 km north of Dijon) believe that they
have seen or heard a UFO. And in the small towns of Sedan and
Carignan in North Eastern France (about 10 km from the Belgian
frontier) a UFO was seen by 150 persons, allegedly.

At the same time strange phenomena occurred in Prauthoy. "Last
Monday towards 11 p.m. we and several other people heard a
noise, which was more powerful than that of an airplane," the
mayor, Philippe Badet, says. In his opinion the noise came from
a flying object, but no aircraft. One of the inhabitants saw two
red lights and a white one in the sky, which were standing quite
still.

Then on Friday tracks were found in an orchard. The grass had
dried up in two parallel lines, 25 meters long and 70 meters
wide. The tracks were located 8 meters apart, with a triangular
mark in between. The police took photos, but an analysis of the
soil gave no results.

Already on Monday night a triangular UFO had been seen over the
Ardennes. The unidentified flying object was observed at a high
altitude first, but later on lower down, making rounds over
approximately 30 towns. It was observed near Sedan and Carignan
above all. The civilian and military air control centers of the
region didn't notice any unidentified flying object, though.

*******

17. August 1998 18.19.39
alt.paranet.ufo Item
From:   y0001095@ws.rz.tu-bs.de,usenet
Subject:        more about triangles in France
To:     alt.paranet.ufo

Sorry, the original is in german.

In short: two red and a white light, standing still in the sky
above Prauthoy (NE of France) and once aircraft-like noise on
monday around 23:00 o'clock

On Friday, groundtraces (dry land) were found in a garden in
Paurthoy and photographed by police: parallel lines, 25 m long
and 70 m width (maybe there's something mixedup in the
message?), 8 m apart.

IMO we need badly french search engines and/or french papers in
those areas. For german search in daily newspapers, you can use

www.paperball.de


Regards
J.


von

http://www.berliner-morgenpost.de/bin/bm/e?u=3D/bm/inhalt/heute/aus_aller_
welt/story04.html


17. 08. 1998

Ufos in Frankreich gesichtet

BM/SAD Paris - Ufo-Woche in Frankreich: Seltsame Lichter am
Himmel, verd=E4chtige Spuren in einem Obstgarten und ungew=F6hnliche
Ger=E4usche.

Rund 20 Einwohner des Dorfes Prauthoy (Ostfrankreich) glauben,
ein Ufo gesehen oder geh=F6rt zu haben. Und in den Orten Sedan und
Carignan (Nordostfrankreich) wurde angeblich ein Ufo von 150
Personen gesehen.

In Prauthoy kam es gleich zweimal zu seltsamen Erscheinungen.
=ABAm vergangenen Montag gegen 23 Uhr haben wir mit mehreren
Personen einen L=E4rm geh=F6rt, der st=E4rker als ein Flugzeug war=BB,
sagt B=FCrgermeister Philippe Badet. F=FCr ihn handelt es sich um
Flugobjekt, aber nicht um ein Flugzeug. Ein Bewohner des Ortes
sah zwei rote und ein wei=DFes Licht im Himmel, die ganz still
standen.

Am Freitag wurden dann Spuren in einem Garten gefunden. Das Gras
war in zwei parallelen Linien 25 Meter lang und 70 Meter breit
vertrocknet. Die Spuren befanden sich acht Meter auseinander,
dazwischen fand sich eine Dreiecksspur. Die Polizei machte
Fotos. Analysen des Erdbodens blieben aber ohne Ergebnis.

In der Nacht auf Dienstag war schon ein Dreiecks-Ufo =FCber den
Ardennen gesehen worden. Das unbekannte Flugobjekt wurde erst in
gro=DFer H=F6he, dann tiefer beobachtet, wie es Runden =FCber rund 30
Orten der Gegend flog sein. Bemerkt wurde es vor allem bei Sedan
und Carignan. Die zivile und milit=E4rische Luftkontrolle der
Region hat allerdings kein unbekanntes Flugobjekt bemerkt.


Date: 17 Aug 1998 16:19:39 GMT
From: y0001095@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Jan-H. Raabe)
Subject: more about triangles in France





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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Brian Boldman" <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:43:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:04:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
updates@globalserve.net
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:06:37 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>>>Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
>>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The
Rise?

Hello Gentlemen, As someone that has actually studied AH for
a while now, I'd like to add my 2 cents. First off, angel
hair is not _one_ type of substance...it can be fine,
clumpy, stringy, sticky, "hot to touch," radioactive, "cold
to touch," "tinged yellow," sublimes, or does not sublime.

The term "angel hair" is really a blanket description of a
very rare phenomenon that constists generally of debris
falling to earth after the passage of a UFO. (about 50% of
the time)

>I haven't made that assumption, but simply didn't mention what
>you have remarked upon since it makes it still more difficult to
>believe that the angel hair could survive all the way to the
>ground, if it dissipates upon touch. The latter suggests it
>tends to dissipate at least slowly even in air (at ordinary
>temperatures).

Jim, It does (sometimes) sublime at altitude. "They could
disintegrate or otherwise disappear right in front of our eyes
without a sound, seemingly with a trace of light blue smoke or
vapor lingering for a moment to mark their end." Natural
History, 1/51; "Those Things in the Sky"

>>If one could "stand along side" the UFO, one might see the
>>stuff literally pouring out from, or off of the object.

>In that case, due to the huge amount necessarily emitted, its
>appearance could outshine that of the UFO or would appear in the
>daytime as a bright tail or streamer with diffuse irregular
>edges.  Has that been reported in conjunction with the
>angel-hair cases?

Yes, many times. A case in point: Bouffioulx, Belgium,
5/16/1953: "It was circular and shiny, and was surrounded by a
whitish halo from which white particles fell. A curved trail
hung down from the object."


>>So, lots of it could drift away, and still leave a sufficient
>>quantity for the witnesses below to find.

>Yes, though the "lots" that drifted away would then cover the
>ground in lots of other places too. Have the angel-hair reports
>mentioned finding it over huge areas, or areas of length up to
>several miles long?

You Bet. One that is well documented is Marysville, OH,
10/22/1954. This is a classic case, with most AH properties
exibited, with the additional mention that the AH stained their
hands _green._ From the Marysville, O. Journal Tribune dated
7/22/58: "The teachers, Mrs. George Dittmar, of Marysville, and
the late Rodney Warrick of Raymond, and their pupils saw what
they described as a "cigar-shaped silver object travelling at a
terrific speed that wafted a blanket of angel hair for at least
three miles." This is also reported in the 10073 Blue Book
record, but the BB conclusion was OTHER:  SPIDER GOSSAMER.

I have not been able to determine Rodney Warrick's cause of
death as yet, but an interesting fact is that he did not wash
off the green stain. This is documented in BB. Warrick died
sometime between 10/22/54 and 7/22/58, a relatively short time
after handling this stuff, but SS death index has not turned
anything up yet. I have to wonder after reading of accounts
where this stuff was supposedly radioactive, if I _really_ want
to recover it.

>>You're also assuming that the material is the same size as when
>>it left the UFO. It may be larger upon exit, which would
>>give it a greater initial decent rate, but shrink considerably
>>as it decends.

>That's a possibility, but makes it more likely that it would be
>observed at the time the UFO was emitting it. Such has not been
>observed, has it?

>>Perhaps more UFOs release this material than we realize, but due
>>to the altitude it never reaches the ground at all.

>Then there would be many more reports of its being observed
>aloft, in the vicinity of UFOs observed in the daytime under
>sunny conditions.

>>Another assumption is that the UFO released it's material when
>>directly over the witnesses. It may have done so "upwind", which
>>would allow it to drift over and down to the witnesses'
>>location.

>I was indeed assuming this, that any UFO releasing it would be
>duly upwind, as obviously otherwise there would be no chance of
>hitting its target.

>>You also assume that turbulent air conditions were present
>>during the event. That's something that can be checked.

>In the daytime the turbulence will usually extend from the
>ground upwards to a height of anywhere from 500 ft to 12,000 ft;
>at night often no more than 500 ft. But even above the
>atmospheric boundary layer there is weak turbulence and vertical
>air motions of several centimeters per second. The key point is
>that the fall velocity of the angel hair would seem to be very
>small in comparison with these vertical air movements; I'd
>estimate a fall velocity of less than a cm/sec. For example, a
>fluffy thistle seed with seed-pod removed has a fall speed
>around 2 or 3 cm/sec, and has therefore been considered a good
>tracer of the air movements themselves in some studies. Around
>my yard I find plenty of spider webs, and so I tried to test the
>fall velocity of a 6-inch pure strand of one of them today, in
>the sunlight where it showed up well. It drifted along with the
>very weak breeze present (less than 1 ft/sec breeze) with no
>discernible fall velocity.  Its small movements up and down
>while its length underwent weak turbulent contortions seemed to
>reflect just the movements of the air. (The toughest part of the
>"experiment" was releasing the strand of spider web, which wants
>to stick to whatever it touches.) This is something one can
>check out for oneself without waiting for a UFO sighting.

>Even if the angel-hair fall velocity were as large as 1 cm/sec,
>and if there were no turbulence, it would take over 8 hours for
>the angel-hair to reach the ground if released from a UFO 1000
>ft up. With turbulence, it would be diffused over huge distances
>during those 8 hours.

I've also tried "fall" experiments and "sublimation"
experiments. I concluded that there are too many variables about
this material as yet to assume what percentage actually reaches
the ground. We need more data here. As for "sublimation"
experiments, I have had _clean_ spiderweb in a mason jar for
over two years. As in Marysville, there are a slew of cases
where this debris reached the ground concurrent with a saucer/
cigar sighting or very shortly afterward.

>>If a high pressure system is centered over an area, and the
>>lapse rate is low, there will be very little thermal-related
>>movement of the air, and very little wind, so any material
>>dropped would pretty much land underneath the source.

Greg, I agree that a stable air mass would be conducive to a
more or less linear drop. What bugs me (no pun intended
here) about the whole AH thing is that the majority of these
cases take place on perfect days for spider migration, being
dry, clear, fall days where there _are_ stable updrafts. AH
has been written off for decades as migrating spiders due to
the concurrent spider/ufo AH seasons. ...but the
sublimation?

>But then it would still take 8 hours to reach the ground, plus
>or minus depending upon UFO altitude! I think the UFO that
>releases it in the fashion you anticipate would have to be less
>than about 30 feet up to make it work, like a crop-dusting
>plane. (Also, high pressure systems are highly correlated with
>clear skies, meaning strong lapse rate near the ground under
>sunny conditions in the daytime, leading to vigorous thermal
>convection. Your scenario above would best work at night, when
>any angel hair presumably would rarely be noticed.)

>So I still see no way out but for the UFO to "materialize" the
>stuff very close to where it wishes it to be deposited. The UFO
>occupants seem to have such a capability, as with "beaming"
>themselves or abductees up or down, or as in producing a
>"flickering black spot" on a window pane along with a"thumping
>noise" at a time when a UFO was spotted nearly a mile or so away
>(see pp. 34-35 & 86-89 of "UFOs Are Real: Here's the Proof" by
>Bruce Maccabee).

Jim, Sorry, but I don't buy the "beaming" thing at all. I have
too many witness reports, and they _almost_entirely_ report it
falling from the sky. In a very large percentage of cases it was
observed in the sky before dropping to earth. You can read a
paper I wrote on AH for Devil's Advocate (now quite dated) at:

http://www.ksinc.net/~devilsad/angelh.htm


Brian Boldman







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                       UFO Crash Near Banff, Alberta?

From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:11:00 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:27:47 -0400
Subject: UFO Crash Near Banff, Alberta?


Does anyone have any knowledge of an alleged UFO crash near
Banff on the border of British Columbia and Alberta. I'm led to
believe that a witness was in Lethbridge, and saw bright lights
which were quickly followed by the Canadian Army sealing off the
area.

This all apparently took place on 6th August, but these are the
only details that have been disclosed. There is speculation that
this may be a hoax, so can anyone verify whether they know
anything about this event.

Thanks, Tony





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                           BUFORA Lecture, London

From: Stephen Gamble <el82@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:25:54 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:35:21 -0400
Subject: BUFORA Lecture, London


BUFORA Lectures

The new BUFORA Lecture season starts on Saturday 5th September
1998. Meetings are held at the University of Westminster, 35
Marylebone Road, London, NW1 5LS. The sessions start at 2pm and
last until approximately 5pm, with a short break mid- afternoon.
Admission charge is =A31-50 for BUFORA members, =A33-50 for
non-members.


SATURDAY 5th SEPTEMBER 1998
SPEAKER  :  Phillip Walton
TITLE    :  Is Seeing Believing?

Philip is a member of the BUFORA Research team, a former BUFORA
Council member and head of research for ASSAP. Any scientific
study, be it of UFOs or any other subject, relies upon having
access to reliable data. Philip has carried out extensive
studies in methods to obtain reliable data of UFO and other
paranormal events. He will share some of the results of his
recent studies.

The following meeting will be 3rd October 1998.

BUFORA can be contacted at :

16 Southway,
Burgess Hill,
Sussex, RH15 9ST

or

bufora@hotmail.com








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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:31:05 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:32:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


   More On The Revelations
  **** Involving The 3/13/97 Flyover Of Arizona ****
   ... by Michael L. Morton

>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:22:38 -0400
>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:04:08 EDT
>>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>THE PHOENIX UFO Of 03-13-97:
>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
>in unscrupulous ways.

>>No, Mark ... you're dead wrong! Prepare to eat some humble
>>pie, Mr. Cashman.

>>So; I'm just 'manipulating numbers' .... pulling them out of
>>thin air, eh ?

<snip>

What total nonsense! Sorry if I offend anyone, but it's this
kind of stuff that makes serious researchers throw their hands
up in despair. Dubious assumptions, mixing "apples and cows"
etc.

Mark, you got it right. I would have thought that the latest
Cydonia pix would have put an end to this Hoaglandesque
nonsense.

Brian





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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:26:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:56:39 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

<snip>

>Perhaps you don't realize it, but the misinformation you spread
>does have an effect on the respectability of UFO study as a
>potentially scientific discipline. People like Paul Hill get
>lumped in with people like Carl Munck. People like Richard
>Haines don't get heard because Hoagland is making too much crazy
>noise, and the media finds it "entertaining". So we all suffer.

>What a waste.

>------
>Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
>http://www.temporaldoorway.com
>- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
>Author of SF novels available at...
>http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm


Hey Mark,

Right on.  Why waste your time refuting obvious nonsense.

This stuff is like all those "calculations" produced by the
pyramidiots to show that everything in the world is contained
in the measurements of the Great Pyramid.  Juggle numbers enough
and you can "prove" anything.

Don't forget that the Great Pyramid has five sides, if you
count the bottom!!

Bob







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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:34:50 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:22:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

Dear Mr. Morton, and Mark et al.

I cannot believe I am reading.

>From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>>Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>>From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>>Subject: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of

>>>The Grid Point Where It Hovered

>>This looks to me like another of those numerology demonstrations
>>from which one gets whatever one wants by manipulating numbers
>>in unscrupulous ways.

>No, Mark ... you're dead wrong! Prepare to eat some humble
>pie, Mr. Cashman.

Save me a slice Michael!

>So; I'm just 'manipulating numbers' .... pulling them out of
>thin air, eh ?

>OK ... let's start with what inspired me to look at a copy of
>the USGS Topographical Map 7.5-minute Series for Phoenix (Az)
>Quadrangle.

<snip>

>One of these key 'details', played on the tape for the Art Bell
>listening audience on the night of August 10th/11th 1998, was
>the caller saying that the gigantic UFO had "stopped for 4
>minutes" over "the intersection of 7th Avenue and Indian School
>Road" in Phoenix. This motivated me to look at the USGS topo map
>(noted above) to see what latitude and longitude coordinates are
>at the center of that intersection. My thinking was that maybe
>the intelligence piloting the UFO was signaling an importance or
>'relevance' concerning that intersection. I also paid attention
>to the time period of this "stopover" .... 4 minutes; not so
>much the 'minutes', but the *number* 4.

>Having worked with Carl P. Munck's rediscovered 'Geomath
>planetary grid matrix' for a number of years now, I calculated
>coordinates for the approximate middle of the above
>intersection: Longitude W.Greenwich 112 deg 04 min 59.62 sec
>Latitude North 33 deg 29 min 41.25 sec

>At this point, I need to explain that Carl P. Munck has found
>that our "ancient prime meridian" does not run through
>Greenwich, England, but instead passes through the center of The
>Great Pyramid of Giza. (see http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm)
>This is an extremely important discovery (or, rediscovery) by
>Munck.

> So; we add the longitude distance between Greenwich and Giza ...
>31 deg 08 min 0.8 sec ... onto the above longitude, to get the actual
>W. Giza Longitude:
> 112 deg 04 min 59.62 sec
>+ 31     08      0.80
> -----------------------------------
> 143 deg 12 min 60.42 sec W.Giza

60.42 seconds? Anyone would immediately call that 0.42
secondsand increment the minutes to 13 minutes! Anyone who
doesn't, is just as likely to say "Eleventy three" instead of
one hundred and three. Bone-assed ignorant.

>There's one more step necessary to get the "Grid Longitude" ...
>and that is to multiply the number of degrees x no. of minutes
>x no. of seconds:

_Multiply? Not _add_? Thats like taking the figure 8 dollars and
35 cents, ( $8.35) ... multiplying the dollars by the cents ( 8
x 35 ) and calling the product (280 something-or-others) a
meaningful figure. Out to lunch. Bazookas.


> 143 (deg) x 12 (min) x 60.42 (sec) = 103680.72

AHH! But as noted above,   this coordinate ( longitude west ofthe
Great Pyramid ) is properly written 143 degrees + 13 minutes
+ 0.42 seconds! And yes, you can still multiply them, but now
you get the figure  143 x 13 x 0.42 = 780.78 !!

Clearly your figure of 103680.72 is in error (besides being
absurd in the first place).

Why pick the Great Pyramid? Why not city hall in Redwood City?


>At this stage, we have an "approximation" of a 'matrix-valid'
>Grid Longitude.

You don't have a clue.

>As we study this matrix, we are becoming more adept at
>recognizing the significant parameters that are encoded within
>it. One such parameter is The Precession Cycle of Earth in
>years. (Author and researcher Graham Hancock discusses Earth's
>Precession Cycle in his latest book, "The Mars Mystery").
>Recall, now, that the caller to Peter Davenport reported that
>the Phoenix UFO had "stopped for 4 minutes" over that particular
>intersection.

>One complete Precession Cycle of Earth is 25,920 years .... and
>*4 times* that number is exactly 103680. In this case, I would
>say that we have our specific Grid Longitude of 103680 W.Giza
>"alluded-to" by the UFO:

> 143 (deg) x 12 (min) x 60.41958042 (sec) = 103680 W.Giza
>             = 25920 x 4

>Based on Munck's system, I have rediscovered the Geomath
>planetary matrix numbers for Rennes Le Chateau in the South of
>France, a very important historical site, possibly involved in a
>secret lineage of Jesus Christ (see the book "Holy Blood, Holy
>Grail").

I'm sorry. I have to stop now. This is making me absolutely ill.
None of my comments are intended to be ad-hominem, but I am
amazed and sickened. Keep your pie. Go to school.

-  Larry Hatch






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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:18:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>From: Brian Boldman" <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Fw: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:43:39 -0400

>>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
>updates@globalserve.net
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>>>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:06:37 EDT
>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>Hello Gentlemen, As someone that has actually studied AH for
>a while now, I'd like to add my 2 cents. First off, angel
>hair is not _one_ type of substance...it can be fine,
>clumpy, stringy, sticky, "hot to touch," radioactive, "cold
>to touch," "tinged yellow," sublimes, or does not sublime.

>The term "angel hair" is really a blanket description of a
>very rare phenomenon that constists generally of debris
>falling to earth after the passage of a UFO. (about 50% of
>the time)

>Jim, It does (sometimes) sublime at altitude. "They could
>disintegrate or otherwise disappear right in front of our eyes
>without a sound, seemingly with a trace of light blue smoke or
>vapor lingering for a moment to mark their end." Natural
>History, 1/51; "Those Things in the Sky"

>>>If one could "stand along side" the UFO, one might see the
>>>stuff literally pouring out from, or off of the object.

>>In that case, due to the huge amount necessarily emitted, its
>>appearance could outshine that of the UFO or would appear in the
>>daytime as a bright tail or streamer with diffuse irregular
>>edges.  Has that been reported in conjunction with the
>>angel-hair cases?

>Yes, many times. A case in point: Bouffioulx, Belgium,
>5/16/1953: "It was circular and shiny, and was surrounded by a
>whitish halo from which white particles fell. A curved trail
>hung down from the object." [...]

Brian,

Many thanks for your input. I can see now I should have
qualified my remarks to include only cases in which the angel
hair was of a size and texture very similar to spider-web
material, and to cases wherein there was no significant amount
of effluent noticed from the UFO. When such effluent did get
observed and did reach the ground in significant amounts from a
UFO at a height like a mile or more, it does still seem to me
that it must have had a fall velocity on the order of a
meter/sec for most of its journey down, if it did not disperse
over an area of length more than 3 miles.

If one knew the height of the UFO, the meterological conditions
of wind shear and degree of sunshine, plus time of day and year,
the duration of the release of effluent and the average fall
velocity, one could estimate the expected area and shape of the
pattern of angel hair coverage on the ground. Too many unknown
variables there, unfortunately.

  Jim






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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:47:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:40:23 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>From: Alex Field <alex@abcfield.force9.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:15:14 +0100

>>From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
>>To: "'UFO UpDates - Toronto'" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:16:19 -0400

>>Dear list,

>>Using the combined high-tech imaging tools of Photoshop 4.0 and
>>JASC Software, we at FSG have been able to uncover some startling
>>enhancements of what may very well be an alien language/symbol in
>>not just the alleged Roswell crash debris, but also on Col.
>>Marcel's forehead, shirt collar, and on the curtain behind him!

>>Please see the attached .JPG.

> Scott C. Carr

>Thats funny, I can't see these symbols and wait, they are all the
>same, just copied pasted and rotated. I think your pulling our leg.

>And don't you think you have slightly over enhanced the image. There
>is no sign of this much enhancement done by J.B.Johnson and Team.

>Ben

There has to be some meaning when over half of the responses to a
clearly humorous message exhibit no awareness of the comedy involved
or no sense of humor.  Is this foreboding phenomenon a quirk of
ufologists, of our U.S. society, of western man in general? I don't
know. I only know it leaves me scared, very scared...

Bye...  Ted..







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                 Re: Keith Basterfield Network: Australia -

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:15:06 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:24:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Keith Basterfield Network: Australia -


>From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Keith Basterfield Network: Australia Introduction
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:40:13 +1000

>Keith Basterfield Network Australia
>tkbnetw@fan.net.au


>Hi World this is Australia calling, >

>I thought I would introduce myself.

>My name is Diane and I am the manager of the Keith Basterfield
>Network which is not unlike Skywatch and UFO UpDates - Toronto
>but a lot _smaller_.
<

Dea Diane,

Thanks for linking up. There have been amazing sightings in the
'land down under' and your neighbor, New Zealand.

Keep up the good work and don't let the 'roos keep you down.

Bruce.





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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Michael Lawrence Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:04:32 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:38:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:08:58 -0700
>Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:12:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

On Aug. 17th, Larry Hatch posted :

>Holy toledo! I missed that. They are multiplying degrees
>TIMES minutes TIME seconds? Nobody does that. Utter bilge

Larry is apparently so rigid in his "orthodoxy" that he doesn't
take the time or make the effort to notice that .... it is the
_number_ of degrees times _number_ of minutes times _number_ of
seconds, that allows this 'matrix' to "work"! Furthermore, he
"doesn't bother" to check-out the actual material, OR how the
system WORKS! He simply launches into a knee-jerk dismissal
before "bothering" to actually take more than a quick "passing
glance" at the email.

The Munck-Grid really does work. Yes ... really! It proves
itself .... yes ... proves 'itself', and shows 'itself' ... at
numerous important sites all over Earth.

Folks .... go to an introduction on this material, followed by a
series of articles showing some details :

http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm

Check this out for yourselves.


 .... Michael Lawrence Morton
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                       Re: Much UFO Activity in France

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:46:09 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:49:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Much UFO Activity in France

>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:05:51 +0200
>Subject: Exciting Update On Ardennes Triangle


>In the newsgroup posting which follows at the end Jan-H. Raabe
>is forwarding a clipping from the "Berliner Morgenpost" August
>17. The text is in German, and as he only gives a short summary
>in English, including a few comments, I have translated the
>clipping verbatim except for a more exact localization of the
>towns in question. URL

>http://www.berliner-morgenpost.de/bin/bm/e?u=/bm/inhalt/heute/aus_aller_
>welt/story04.html

<snip>

This URL refers to a new story each day, but now the clipping is
available in the paper's archive at

http://archiv.berliner-morgenpost.de/bm/archiv1998/980817/aus_aller_welt
/story04.html


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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:38:00 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:32:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:56:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:38:41 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net

>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

On Aug. 17th, 1998 Mark Cashman quoted from the following
website _blatantly_out_of_context_. This was obviously
deliberate and very disingenuous. And then he used that ploy to
'propel' his entire pseudo-skeptical debunkery:

 << http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm

where you will read...

"The great mysteries of life are quite elusive. We do not have
the 'hard facts' needed to feel sure that our theories about the
mysteries are true. Sometimes we feel sure, but convincing
others is not so easy. Alas, they want 'facts,' and we cannot
produce them."

(Quotes are theirs)

I suppose this is the basis for your reasoning? "Feelings"?

Cashman deliberately and disingenuously cut-off the above
paragraph as it was written on our website! What Cashman
_didn't_ include in his "quote" was the _last_sentence_ of the
paragraph ... a simple but very important sentence : " Well ....
times have changed". _Yes_! In other words, Cashman 'reverses'
the meaning of the whole paragraph by cutting-out the last
sentence! The last sentence clearly says, in other words and
within the context of the paragraph, that we "DO have hard
evidence and facts" to back-up what we are talking about!

On a similar note, Cashman _omits_ a lot of our math. In fact,
he omits almost _all_ of the math. The math is the _key_ to what
we're discussing, and he blows it off ! He then nit-picks on
things like "well, are you sure the craft was _directly_ over
the intersection" ... ?

We are sure that the craft "stopped over the intersection for 4
minutes"! That is the basic fact here .... 1) over that
intersection ..... 2) for 4 minutes. Hey .... let's keep it
simple, OK?! Don't nit-pick on a bunch of irrelevant stuff!
(Same goes for the 'middle' of The White House. I look on the
7.5-minute USGS Topo Quad, I use a ruler, and a magnifying
glass, and I pinpoint the 'middle' of The White House. You got a
problem with that?!).

He says Munck isn't a "recognized archeologist" .... as if that
is a _negative_!? Ha! If you read Munck's work, folks, you
realize very quickly that it is a _very_ good thing that Munck
is NOT a typical archeologist! Munck shows you in a New York
minute that the archeology establishment has been comatose ....
nearly brain-dead .... for decades now.

Cashman ignores the "we are re-discovering our lost and
suppressed history" angle, because if he acknowledged this, he
would have to seriously consider the idea that "they" (the
pilots of 'some' UFOs, such as the one on the night of 3/13/97
over Phoenix) are basically trying to help "clue-us-in" on
getting back-in-touch with our very ancient metrology systems,
and with the ancient 'grid systems' that I and my colleagues are
trying to bring to people's attention.

 There are other points I could cover here, regarding
Cashman's slick debunking style, as it applies to his 'response'
to me of Aug.17th, but I will stop here, "for now" (let's see ...
... ah ... what intersection am I over, anyway ? Anybody have
a theodolite?).

... Michael L. Morton





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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:10:44 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:47:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

<snip>

>Brian,

<snip>

>If one knew the height of the UFO, the meterological conditions
>of wind shear and degree of sunshine, plus time of day and year,
>the duration of the release of effluent and the average fall
>velocity, one could estimate the expected area and shape of the
>pattern of angel hair coverage on the ground. Too many unknown
>variables there, unfortunately.

>  Jim


Jim,

Why not just ask Billy Meier, or someone associated with same,
for the answer to angel hair? Why bother with all these messy
calculations in the first place when one can go straight to the
"source," so to speak?

Out of sheer curiosity, has angel hair ever been reported in
association with an animal mutilation or crop circle, or, for
that matter, an abduction? If not, why not?

Just curious,

Dennis






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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #265

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:22:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:50:03 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #265

Apology to MW #265 (For August 19, 1998)

The saucers won't continence duplicitous politics pursuing
agendas we can't even guess. Our history's wrought of betrayal
and lawlessness. We've squandered our trusts, and we failed the
tests. Agreements we make? Too conveniently broken! Our lives
are on guard for the threat of short change. We're distracted,
oblivious; we can't make the time to wonder what is happening --
why the times are so damned strange!

There's too much of saying but _doing_ another. "Do as I'm
saying, but not as I'd rather." The Government's preaching
*salvation* to you, but _you_ never know what's contrived or
construed. The Earth is a mass of contorted convulsion, the best
of us sick of malaise and revulsion, the worst of us sell out to
pitfalls of pleasure, and Monika's spooge stain's our
transmitted measure <g>?

You'd think that our "G-men" could fry other fish. You'd think
they'd be serious. They're ALL getting rich. They're squeezing
the poorest for all that they're worth while keeping us stupid,
a time honored curse. It's all a big ruse, it's all just the
same, Republican, Democrat -- it's all just a game. Two arms of
a monster that feeds on itself; it's all the same beast, and
consumed with its wealth.

They're 'using abusers' -- their pig's in a poke (. . .won't
show you the bag, you're not in on the joke). The business of
government is business, mon frere! It has its OWN interests!
They ARE without care! We are but _aphids_ (my thanks to friend
Pat) to be milked for our taxes -- as simple as that. Brainless
consumers that buy their chump stock, so _they_ get the good
stuff, the lovers, the yachts. They live in a manner to _us_ far
removed, and they _don't_ care a wit that we're suffering --
true! They act like old barons, and crooked old lords, they act
with impunity -- remember John Ford?

It's them that works hard to keep saucers in clouds. It's them
that distracts, and dissembles, right now. It's them with their
congress that's white as old snow; it's them with their
presidents dispensing bestows; it's them with the judges that
front for elitists -- together they sell out, bamboozle, and
cheat us.

This is an ethic keeps saucers away. This is the way of old boys
that hold sway. This is a reason for stumbling falls, aping
invertebrates -- making bad calls.

The business of a government's _respecting_ it's people, not
*petty* concerns of the _few_ who don't pay. The poor, getting
poorer, are wasted and feeble, and will use what will _work_,
all the histories say.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Better start looking for ways to give it up, give it back, or
get it on -- Corporate Amerika. Or, -- "Let's get ready to
Rum-blllllllllllllllllllle"!

"As a result of the [Civil] war, corporations have been
enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow...
until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic
is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln was to have said in 1864.

Restore John Ford!

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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:38:52 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:53:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


> From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:13:51 -0400
> Subject:
> To: updates@globalserve.net

> The following news story piqued my interest.

> (excerpts from http://www.newspage.com)

> ===

> "Illinois has moved to discipline a prominent psychiatrist
> accused of convincing a patient that she was a cannibal who ate
> human flesh meatloaf, a child molester and the high priestess of
> a satanic cult."

<the rest snipped>

Mark,

I can begin to discuss the questions this news story suggested
to you.

But first, some background. Please forgive me if you're familiar
with all this, since others might not be.

The news story you quoted is an example of what psychologists
are calling "false memory syndrome." It's a pretty lurid
example, obviously, and hardly typical.

The most commonly discussed false memories involve sexual abuse.
Women go into therapy, complaining of anxiety -- and
irresponsible therapists convince them that they were sexually
abused when they were children. The women have no memories of
being abused; the thought, in fact, had never crossed their
minds.

But that doesn't bother these therapists, who often use hypnosis
and very nearly command their patients to find memories of
abuse. That, of course, is an invitation to hypnotic
confabulation (the technical term for making things up under
hypnosis). Some of the women involved in this unfortunate
so-called therapy become convinced they were abused. They
confront their completely innocent parents, and may never speak
to them again. (I know of a family that was destroyed in this
way.)

The other kinds of false memories you find psychologists talking
about are false memories of satanic abuse (like the case you
cited), false memories of past lives, and -- naturally! -- false
memories of alien abduction. Let me digress for a moment and say
that the discussions of abductions in the psychology literature
are fairly ridiculous. Essentially, psychologists simply assume
that the abductions can't be real. A phrase from a contribution
to a book of papers on false and recovered memories tells the
whole story. The writer refers to people who "recover
(presumably false) memories of being abducted or visited by
space aliens." (From "The Recovered Memory/False Memory Debate,"
Kathy Pedzek and Willam P. Banks, editors.)

Another paper (not from this book) has footnotes to Philip
Klass. Will anyone be surprised to learn that none of the
psychologists -- not that there are very many -- writing papers
on abductions has ever done research on the issue? A journal
called Psychological Inquiry devoted an entire issue to
abductions, and this appears to demonstrate what I mean. (I've
only read abstracts of the articles; I'll be reading the
complete papers as soon as I get a chance.)

Two psychologists were invited to contribute a paper on
abductions. They offered a theory to account for abduction
reports. Other contributors then jumped all over them, saying
they'd offered not a shred of evidence to support their theory.
These other contributors then suggested theories of their own,
equally without evidence. A sad business.

But I digress. Mark wonders how hard it is to get people to
believe things that aren't true. The literature on this isn't
clear at all. The first thing to understand is that the
discussion gets pretty heated. That's understandable, because
there have been real abuses. I've mentioned the false charges of
sexual abuse. There have also been false charges of satanic
abuse, most notably in a famous Pacific Northwest case, in which
(I hope I remember the details right) two teenage girls accused
their father of horrendous acts -- to which he actually
confessed, even though they'd never occured!

The father was indicted, and might have been convicted, if
social psychologist Richard Ofshe (from Berkeley) hadn't
heroically proved that he was completely innocent. (See Lawrence
Wright's book "Remembering Satan" for full details.) It won't
surprise anyone, I'm sure, to learn that cases of alleged
satanic abuse almost always arise in fundamentalist or otherwise
devoutly Christian contexts, but understandably psychologists
are upset about them. Add in the apparent absurdity of past-life
recall and alien abductions, and some psychologists think we're
suffering from a plague.

Which makes it strange, really, that more research hasn't been
done. Instead, as I read the situation, there's been a minor
stampede, in which people in the field start talking as if all
recovered memories were suspect. Richard Ofshe and Elizabeth
Loftus, a psychologist from the University of Washington, have
become spokespeople for the dangers of recovered memory. (Both
were featured on the NOVA episode on abductions.)

To make sure that what I'm saying is clear, I should add that
the false memories people get upset about are all "recovered" --
that is, somebody had no conscious memory of sexual or satanic
abuse, or (almost needless to say) of a past life. But then a
therapist recovered alleged memories of these thinges, and the
patient became convinced that they'd really occured.

Ofshe and Loftus are at the head of the phalanx of psychologists
who point of the dangers of this. What's often overlooked,
however, is that Ofshe and Loftus both hold fairly extreme
positions on the nature of memory itself -- both believe that
recovered memories haven't been proved to exist, because there's
no proof of any mental mechanism that would bury memory in the
first place.

And now we get into really contentious areas of the debate.
Lurking in the background is the huge debate about Freud and his
theories, including his theory of repression. There's also a
split -- or at least a difference of approach -- between
clinical psychologists, who treat patients, and experimental
psychologists like Loftus, who do laboratory research but never
encounter the far messier behavior of memory in real life.

Judith Herman,  a psychotherapist who I believe is a specialist
in sexual abuse, has a paper about this in the Pezdek
collection. She complains that experimental psychologists don't
consult clinicians, to draw on their views and experience.
Experimental psychologists, in turn, might complain that
clinicians don't base their work on scientific premises. I'm
sure there's a lot of truth in both views.

But I think the heat of the dispute has overshadowed the fact
that there isn't much real information out there. Mark, you
asked whether it's hard or easy to get someone to believe what
isn't true. Elizabeth Loftus thinks she's shown that it's pretty
easy, in a famous experiment in which she persuaded children
that they'd been lost, sometime in the past, in a shopping mall,
even though no such thing ever happened. (See her book, "The
Myth of Repressed Memory.")

Kathy Pezdek, on the other hand, tried to convince people that
they'd had painful enemas, and found this almost impossible to
do. (Or so I gather. I haven't read the paper; I've just seen it
referred to.) But maybe the most interesting comment comes from
Lenore Terr, a psychotherapist who's written two books on
childrens' traumatic memory.

I have to confess that I'm biased toward her, because I find her
wonderfully balanced and humane. (Besides, she writes her own
books; Loftus had a ghostwriter, credited, write hers for her. I
must say, though, that when Terr and Loftus found themselves
testifying for opposite sides in a spectacular trial, I thought
Loftus made more sense. On trial was a man indicted for murder
soley because his daughter had a memory flashback, in which she
claimed to recall her father murdering one of her childhood
friends. Loftus pointed out that these were slim grounds,
lacking other evidence, on which to convict anyone of murder.)

In the Pezdek collection, Terr has an essay in which she makes a
simple point. Nobody has systematically studied cases in which
recovered memories turned out to be true. Apparently there are
many of these, especially about recovered memories of sexual
abuse. Often enough, it seems, these memories can be confirmed
by the kind of evide nce that convinces cops and juries -- but
this isn't talked about very much.

If Terr is right, then we have a situation nobody really knows
much about. We have therapists encouraging people to essentially
invent memories they don't really have. Obviously they have some
success. But the satantic abuse memories arise, as I've said, in
a religious context, which very likely means that people are
unusually susceptible. We can postulate that people who believe
in past lives might be credulous, and that people who get
convinced that they've been sexually abused are, maybe, lacking
in self-esteem and are easily led.

It's hard to go beyond that, because -- at least as far as I've
been able to see -- nobody really knows. Elizabeth Loftus may
have proved that false memories can in fact be implanted, but
has she gone further, and determined who that can be done to,
what the circumstances need to be, and how often it's likely to
occur? Apparently not; apparently nobody has. So, Mark, I don't
think it's possible to answer your question (and I think the
stampede to reject the very idea of recovered memory has gotten
out of hand, but that's another story).

As for abductees...

Mark has made it clear, here and eleswhere, that he thinks there
should be mistaken abduction cases, just as there are mistaken
UFO sightings. People see  some known phenomenon, and think
they're seeing a UFO. Similarly, Mark has said, people might
mistakenly think they've been abducted, when really they're
having purely psychological experiences. Since around 90% of
supposed UFO sightings turn out to be known phenomena, maybe (if
we follow Mark's line of thought) 90% of abductions might turn
out to be false, too....assuming any at all are real. (I take
full responsbility for my quick and dirty summary of Mark's
thinking. Mark, correct me if I've gotten anything wrong.)

I must say that this doesn't seem as inevitable to me as it does
to Mark. There are some phenomena that are unmistakable.
Burglary, for instance. If you come home and find your home a
wreck, with valuable items missing, you've been burglarized. End
of story. Hardly anyone, I'm sure, files mistaken burglary
complaints with the police.

Thus, in principle, we might have abduction reports that,
statistically, were much more accurate than UFO reports --
assuming, that is, that abductions are real and that their
symptomology is unmistakable.

But that's not what Mark was asking about. He wonders whether
many abductees decide that they haven't really been abducted --
just as the woman in the news report decided she hadn't really
been part of a satanic cult -- and if not, why not. Could it be,
he asks, because abductions can't be verified?

To quote what he wrote:

> b) Is it the non-confirmable nature of the abduction
experience > which prevents what I will call "psychological
abductees" from > coming to similar conclusions? Or is this, at
root, a desired > experience, similar to Munchausen, where the
victim desires the > attention generated by victimhood, even if
that attention is > provided only by one or a few investigators?
Or do such > "psychological abductees" in fact "come to their
senses", and > such reports are simply not reported in the
popular literature?

Well, to start with, abductees and abduction investigators vary
quite a lot -- to say the least! In the end, "abductee" is a
label you attach to yourself. That muddies Mark's question quite
a bit. Which abductees are we talking about? Mark divides them,
informally, into two categories -- those who might have really
been abducted and those who've had a purely psychological
experience. But I'd suggest a third category -- those who
haven't had any experience at all, and are simply wannabes.
They're people who've convinced themselves they're abductees
without even a shred of psychological experience.

Then consider the world of new-age abductions -- in which the
aliens are supposed to be here for our benefit, and may even
lead us to new spiritual heights. People who believe in that may
well want to be abducted. Why should they give up their belief
that they have been?

I'm not sure, in any case, that people hold on to their
abduction belief simply because it can't be contradicted. I'd
suggest another factor -- that there aren't many consequences if
you think you're an abductee.

Oh, sure, if you go around telling people, you'll get funny
looks, at the very least. But the nature of the everyday world
hasn't changed for you. If you believe you've been a cannibal,
though, you've committed crimes. Somewhere the remains of those
you've eaten must be buried. Other people were involved.
Typically there's a whole satanic cult. Where is it? Shouldn't
it be brought to justice?

If you think you've been sexually abused, there's likewise been
a crime. Someone has hurt you. Your relationship with them
necessarily changes. Maybe you want them indicted, tried, and
jailed.

These beliefs may be harder to maintain in the face of no
evidence or negative evidence. They have far more emotion
invested in them. And they affect your relationship with other
people -- most obviously your parents, if you think you've been
sexually abused.

Abductees, by contrast, are mostly not very militant about their
abduction beliefs. Or at least the ones I've met aren't. People
who think they've been sexually abused might want their abusers
jailed. But you don't see abductees writing to NASA, demanding a
miltiary attack on the aliens.

Instead, abductees just live quietly with their belief in their
abductions. They may wait a long time before deciding that they
really do believe. They may also go back and forth between doubt
and belief. That's very different from victims of alleged sexual
and satanic abuse, who tend to be vehement and unmovable.
Abductees aren't under the kind of psychological pressure taht
might lead them to recant.

For what it's worth, I've known or known of a few people who've
changed their minds. It never seems to be big news.

Finally, there's this -- that abductees feel they do have at
least some small confirmation that their experiences are real.
Take, for instance, the issue of conscious memory. No
psychologist who's written on the subject seems to realize this,
but because of their conscious memories, abductees are very
different from people with false memories of sexual or satanic
abuse.

Those people went to therapists suffering from general
psychological complaints. The therapists then convinced them
that they'd been abused. Abductees, however, go to abduction
researchers because they feel they remember something. Normally
-- at least with the people Budd Hopkins agrees to see -- it's
quite concrete. They remember balls of light in their bedrooms,
and beings by their beds. Sometimes they remember complete
abduction scenarios. They remember what the aliens look like,
and what they do.

Given that, what would make them decide that their experiences
were psychological? They were convinced they were having real
experiences even before they saw an abduction researcher, or
even before they'd ever heard of abductions.

There also are the marks they say the find on their bodies. I
know very well that there hasn't been even the beginning of
proper scientific study of those claims. (Am I right, John
Velez?) But we're not talking about that. We're talking about
why abductees don't recant. You can't spend much time around
abductees -- or at least the ones I've known -- without hearing
stories, often told with emotion but equally often in a matter
of fact way. "I woke up last week with a brown stain on my
hands." "I woke up wearing someone else's clothes." "My wife
woke up one morning with a deep indentation in her thigh. I know
it wasn't there the night before, because I'd been kissing her
there."

"I woke up wearing someone else's clothes." "I had a nosebleed,
and had to go to the hospital. The doctor said I had a deep
puncture high in my nose, which could have been due to cocaine
abuse or surgery. I haven't had surgery and I don't do cocaine."

Etc. Again, I'm not discussing whether these stories are true or
not. I'm saying that these are things that abductees routinely
say -- and that people who honestly believe that they're having
experiences like that aren't about to decide that their
abductions are purely psychological.

Greg Sandow

One provocative footnote. It's routinely accepted that
abductees, as a group, aren't psychologically disturbed. That
allows skeptics to respect their honesty, while still believing
that their abductions aren't real experiences. However, this
view is only possible if abductions are thought of as shadowy
experiences, with a large psychological component even if
they're real.

But what can we do with people who tell us they really, truly
woke up this morning wearing clothes they'd never seen before?
This isn't a shadowy experience, the kind of thing that one
could be honestly mistaken about. If the abductee is telling the
truth, then something extraordinary is surely going on. (Maybe
not abductions by extraterrestrials, but certainly something
extraordinary.)

Of course, if abductees who report these things are lying or
deluded, then they're surely more psychologically disturbed than
is generally believed. So we have a dilemma that, as far as I
know, has never been pointed out. Many, many abductees report
these absolutely unmistakable experiences. If the experiences
are real, then there's more evidence for the reality of
abductions than most people think. And if the experiences aren't
real, then abductees are far more disturbed than anyone has yet
concluded -- certainly more disturbed than formal psychological
studies have shown, and far more disturbed than they appear to
be to anyone who knows them.






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                Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:53:49 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:46:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo


>From: Kal K. Korff <TotlResrch@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:28:29 EDT
>Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:37:22 -0400
>Subject: Re: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>>From: William Hand <ufotruth@ix.netcom.com>
>>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Symbols Discovered on Roswell Crash Photo

>>So, he did not lie when he said what was on the floor in his
>>office was only a weather balloon. On that account he was
>>telling the truth But he DID lie when he said or implied that
>>the junk on the floor of his office was the _real_debris_ that
>>was found in the desert.

>How do you know, William, that Ramey "lied" when he said this was the
>debris that Major Marcel had recovered? Can you supply this list with
>DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE BEYOND DISPUTE?

How do you know, Kal, that that Ramey told the truth when he
said this was the debris that Major Marcel had recovered? Can
you supply this list with DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE BEYOND DISPUTE?

Unlike Mr. Kal Korff, I do have the following HARD EVIDENCE
strongly suggesting deception by Ramey in Fort Worth:

* 1947 newspaper stories indicating that Ramey had changed the
crashed disk press release story within about an hour of it
going on the wire, Ramey stating at this time that he thought it
was the remains of a weather balloon and radar target. This was
about an entire hour BEFORE Mr. J. B. Johnson showed up in
Ramey's office to take pictures, about 2 hours before Irving
Newton was called in to identify the debris, and most
astoundingly, before Marcel's plane even arrived in Fort Worth.

* At the same time, Ramey stating originally that the
tinfoil-composed object was 25 feet across. Does anybody see
anything remotely close to 25 feet across in the photos? Do you
supposed Ramey made this up?

* A 4-foot long stick in the Fort Worth photos that is too long
to agree with the testimony of Mac Brazel, Jesse Marcel, and
Robert Porter, all of whom placed the longest beam or stick at
three feet or less. The 4-foot stick could only have gotten
there by substitution. What's more, somebody involved with the
1995 A.F. Report (most likely Lt. McAndrew, who was responsible
for this portion of it) obviously noticed the discrepancy and
altered the photographic evidence to make it agree with the
testimony. When McAndrew turned the Fort Worth photos over to
CIA photoanalysts to determine stick length, the offending 4
foot stick was cropped down to three feet in the working
schematic and in the final calculation. (See Attach. 33 in the
Report)

* The remains of a radar target in the photos that don't even
add up to the remains of a single radar target, much less three
Mogul radar targets (see same photo analysis in A.F. Report --
there are only16 feet total of sticks vs. 48 feet for a full
ML-307 skeleton). A small pile of balloon debris that would
represent only a tiny fraction of the two dozen neoprene
balloons making up the alleged crashed Mogul. An FBI telegram
and statements from Ramey and Irving Newton that this was the
remains of a SINGULAR weather balloon and a SINGULAR radar
target, not a multi-balloon, multi-radar target Mogul.

* Rubber balloon debris that looks remarkably intact and pliant
for a balloon that was supposedly left in the hot sun for a full
month, where it should have deteriorated into small, brittle
flakes. In fact, it looks very much like a deflated, SINGULAR
weather balloon. Hmmmm.

* No mention of any odor to any of the debris by any witness who
may have come in close contact with it BEFORE Fort Worth. In
particular, nobody mentioned anything about the acrid smell of
old neoprene rubber weather balloons left in the sun to rot. The
very first mention that there was such an odor was by Johnson,
who noticed it when he came into Ramey's office. This was AFTER
both Marcel and Dubose claimed that Ramey swapped in a
substitute balloon for the real debris.

* Newspaper stories the morning of July 8 (e.g., Roswell Morning
Dispatch), with one of Ramey's top officers, Col. John D. Ryan,
the Fort Worth base operations officer (and a future A.F. Chief
of Staff), stating he thought radar targets might account for
the flying saucer reports. Clearly this explanation for the
flying saucers was in Ramey's inner circle the day BEFORE the
crashed disk press release, plenty of time to have cooked up a
weather- balloon cover story if necessary.

* Newspaper stories on July 9, stating that the Army and Navy
had embarked on a campaign to debunk the saucers. There were
several staged Army or Navy weather balloon demonstrations in
the days following (one of them being at Alamogordo on July 9),
in which radar targets (including Mogul style ML-307 radar
targets) or more commonly used radiosonde weather balloons were
trotted out and used to explain all of the nationwide rash of
flying saucer reports. I hope to have the photos and newstories
up on Jean van Gemert Website soon.

* No note or indication of any sort in Jesse Marcel's subsequent
military record of him screwing up a balloon identification and
nationally embarrassing the Air Force from Roswell to the
Pentagon. On the contrary, Marcel receiving recommendations for
promotion to Lt. Col in the Reserve from both Blanchard and
Dubose (acting on behalf of Ramey as his Chief of Staff) just
four months after Roswell. Col. Blanchard's evaluation of Marcel
the following April, which covered the period of the Roswell
events, gave Marcel his HIGHEST numerical rating ever, placing
him well-within the "Superior" range. Col. Dubose endorsed this
evaluation, noting no negatives. When Marcel was transferred to
higher intelligence work (how did he manage that?) a year after
Roswell, Col. Ryan (remember him?) called Marcel's record "most
outstanding" and "most exemplary." But best yet, Gen. Ramey
likewise called Marcel "outstanding," protested his transfer
(saying he had nobody to replace him), and finished by saying he
thought Marcel was definitely command officer material based on
his past performance. How exactly did Marcel finagle such praise
from people like Ramey, Ryan, Dubose and Blanchard (all of whom
finished as USAF generals) if he supposedly so badly screwed up
and embarrassed himself?

* Marcel's next post being SAC Chief of a foreign technology
intelligence division. The SAC insisted they get him when the
A.F. Hdqtrs at the Pentagon asked to have him for another post
at the same time. How exactly did a so- called bungling
intelligence officer get such a technical intelligence post,
when he supposedly couldn't even identify simple balloon debris?

* Ramey remaining involved in UFO investigations in some
capacity after Roswell and continuing to deceive the public. On
July 29, 1952, Ramey, now Air Defense Command Chief, was at Gen.
Samford's side during the infamous Washington press conference
in which they debunked the highly publicized Washington
radar/visual cases as being caused by thermal inversions.  Gen.
Ramey then went on CBS-TV (see N.Y. Times, 8/4/52, p. 3) and
stated that although 20% of UFO cases studied were still
unidentified, there were no cases at all where anything could be
tracked consistently on radar or shown other evidence of being a
material object. (This was more of Ramey's deception, since
there were several good radar cases plus photographic evidence
in A.F. files which we now know of.) Ramey then suggested they
may be some form of unexplained natural phenomena and
constituted no threat. In other words, Ramey took the standard
A.F. debunking line when speaking to the public.

Perhaps Kal Korff can now compose a similar list providing his
demanded DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE BEYOND DISPUTE, that the debris in
Ramey's office, absolutely, positively, no questions, came from
Roswell and Mogul. How does Kal Korff establish that this
couldn't have come from some other identical radar target and
balloon, such as those used nearby at White Sands or by the AAF
weather services in Kansas City, or by the AAF weather services
at Wilmington, Ohio, just 25 miles from Wright Field? The use of
the identical style ML-307 radar targets as Mogul CAN be
documented at each one of these facilities. A radar target could
have been easily flown in if necessary if none were available in
Fort Worth. Remember, Col. Ryan's published statements prove
that at least one member of Ramey's inner circle was thinking
along these lines a full day before the Roswell press release.
White Sands and Kansas City were both less than 2 hours plane
ride away -- no problem at all
getting a radar target.

>Many witnesses who saw the wreckage from the crash of flying
>disk that crashed at Roswell were threatened, harassed, and told
>never to tell anyone what they saw or they would be killed. Do
>you seriously think that the real wreckage, which was so
>classified that anyone who saw it must be threatened with death
>if they told others about it, would be allowed to be
>photographed by the press?

>William, what _hard_evidence_ do you have that Roswell
>"witnesses" were threatened with death, etc?

Well here's some _hard evidence._ We definitely have a quote
from Sheriff Wilcox published in the Albuquerque Journal the
next day. When pressed for more details on what the debris
looked like, the Journal reported that Wilcox "declined to
elaborate," explaining that he was "working with those fellows
at the base."

Although this obviously doesn't prove that Wilcox was threatened
with death, it does strongly indicate that anything Wilcox
stated to the press on July 8 was NOT independent testimony nor
necessarily freely given. By this time he was working with the
military, as he admitted. And it is right in line with
statements from two members of the Wilcox family that Wilcox had
been
threatened.

>Please supply this list with definitive, hard evidence that is
>_beyond_ dispute so that this whole matter and what Mr. Bob
>Johnson is saying can be settled for good.

This is a completely unrealistic if not idiotic demand, as
anybody with a little common sense realizes.  Does Kal Korff
expect the military to commit such threats to writing or the
witnesses to make wire recordings of such threats as they were
being made?

Unlike Kal Korff, courts of law realize that it is rarely
possibly to provide "hard evidence beyond dispute" of verbal
threats, such as tape recordings, even in the present age of
cheap, widely available electronic recording devices. Instead,
courts almost always have to rely on eyewitness testimony to
establish that such threats were made. The more witnesses to
testify to such threats, the more credible the claims generally
become.

It is no different with Roswell. We do have the documented
statement direct from Wilcox indicating he was unable to speak
freely. That is right in line with testimony of the Wilcox
family and also AP reporter Jason Kellahin, who says he tried to
speak to Wilcox in Roswell later that day, but Wilcox was very
circumspect.

In the case of Mac Brazel, there must be about ten different
witnesses to the fact that he was in military custody. We could
start with Bill Brazel Jr., who states that his father was kept
by the military for another week, or the statements of base
provost marshall Easley that they kept Brazel at the base, or
somebody like Kellahin and Roswell Daily Record editor Paul
McEvoy that Brazel was accompanied by military personnel when he
was brought to the Record for his interview. As in Wilcox's
case, this is an indication that Brazel could not speak freely.
Anything Brazel said in that interview would be tainted. In a
court of law, the testimony would be thrown out because of
possible coercion.

Now why in the world would they need to keep Brazel locked up
for a week if it was nothing but a Mogul balloon crash?

>Lastly, are you a Roswell 'believer' and do you think this could
>have _anything_ to do with your explanations here?

Lastly, are you a self-aggrandizing UFO debunker, and do you
think this could have _anything_ to do with your ridiculous
demands here?

>Looking forward to reading what this evidence is,

Indeed, we are all still looking forward to Kal Korff providing
evidence to back his many fallacious statements about Roswell. A
year ago, e.g., Korff made a number of such statements which I
challenged. here on UFO Updates. Korff had emerged to do some of
his usual crowing and self-promotion about his new debunking
book on Roswell. Korff promised to respond, but claimed he was
absolutely inundated with e-mail about his new book and was
spending 16 hours a day responding to it. (It was a touching
story that brought tears to my eyes.)  Well, I'm still waiting
for Kal Korff to respond to me like he promised. But I'm sure
he's now spending all his time responding to all that e-mail on
his wonderful new debunking special with Bob Kiviat, of which he
has ceaselessly been reminding us recently.

I think many of us also remember the simultaneous emergence of
the mysterious "Pamela7," who likewise gushed about the contents
of Korff's Roswell book weeks BEFORE it ever got to the
bookstores. In fact, a number of us were struck by the
remarkable similarity of writing between "Pamela7" and Kal
Korff, not to mention both having an AOL address. Do you
remember Kal Korff then denying having any connection with
"Pamela7?"  This was soon followed by our very own moderator EBK
revealing that both Korff's and Pamela7's AOL e- mail addresses
simultaneously rejected further e-mail, both being filled to
capacity? What a coincidence! Is it remotely possible that Kal
Korff got caught in a flagrant lie after shamelessly promoting
himself in e-mail drag?

And bringing us on up to the present, I just started listening
to Korff's interview last week with Jeff Rense on "Sightings on
the Radio." There Kal makes some more interesting claims. E.g.,
he claimed there was evidence, yes evidence folks, that Gen.
Ramey withheld Mogul debris from public display. Since Kal is
making such a show here of demanding _hard evidence_ of this and
that, let him present some of his precious _hard evidence_ to
back this claim. This should be most enlightening.

I would also like to see the _hard evidence_ that Gen. Dubose
claimed there was no substitution of debris in Fort Worth. You
know Kal, _hard evidence_ like a tape recording of the alleged
interview in which he said this?  On the other hand, there is
hard evidence in the form of an affidavit, tape recordings, and
video recordings in which Dubose stated unambiguously that Ramey
substituted weather balloon debris for the real stuff, and the
whole weather balloon story was nothing but Ramey's cover story
to get the press off their backs. Curiously, none of Dubose's
documented statements about what happened in Fort Worth ever
made it into Kal's book or his Rense interview, only the
unverifed ones. Are we surprised?

There's a LOT more Kal, but let's see if you can or will respond
to any of this.

>Respectfully yours,

>Kal Korff

Yeah, yeah Kal. Just answer the questions for once.

Respectfully yours,

David Rudiak





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                Re: Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz,

From: Allan Clayton <aclayton@vision.net.au>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:09:15 +1000
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:40:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz,


>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:17:54 +1000
>From: Glennys Mackay <glenmack@thehub.com.au>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Review - Friedman Lecture, Brisbane, Oz, 08-12-98

>It would seem the public is not getting any update information.
>Read what one disgrunted paying customer thinks of Roswell and
>the backwood stance on ufology:
>_________________________________


>From: ederdak@families.qld.gov.au
>To: addsurf@ozemail.com.au
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:19:55 +1000
>Subject: Stanton Friedman Lecture Wednesday 12 Aug

>Hi guys,

>I went and saw Stanton Friedman last night at Brisbane and would
>have to say I thought it was a bit of a fizzer.

>He lectured for 2=BD hours.

>Talked about the cover up conspiracies ad nauseam, did an awful
>lot of name dropping (this was extremely boring and I didn't
>think it was what we came to hear about), talked about his vast
>superior knowledge. Debunked the debunkers, challenged the
>skeptics to a debate as long as it wasn't while he was on tour!.
>Showed some crappy slides that were too small to read. He also
>talked about the Roswell incident and Betty and Barney Hill's
>experiences and then took questions at the end.

>The lecture never got past Roswell and there was absolutely
>_nothing_ new that none of us haven't already read about.

>I don't want to sound like a wowser but I thought it was crap
>and all I got at the end of the night was a sore bum from the
>seat!

>Emma:-)

Has anyone else in Australia been to see his lecture?

He is actually coming to Tassie [mania] so I thought that I
might go along for a look but from the sounds of it, it might be
a bit of a waste of time...

Emma, could you reply via e-mail so i could discuss it a bit
more with you please!  My e-mail is aclayton@vision.net.au.

bye
alf







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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:39:11 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:47:18 -0500

>There has to be some meaning when over half of the responses to a
>clearly humorous message exhibit no awareness of the comedy involved
>or no sense of humor.  Is this foreboding phenomenon a quirk of
>ufologists, of our U.S. society, of western man in general? I don't
>know. I only know it leaves me scared, very scared...

>Bye...  Ted..

Ted,

I find this REALLY SCARY.  Not just a lack of critical thinking,
but a lack of thinking alltogether.

Anyone with eyes in their heads can clearly see that those are
not alien symbols but faces of Elvis and Jesus alternating.

Bob







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                  First 1998 Canadian Crop Circle Formation

From: psa@direct.ca (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:22:18 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:41:20 -0400
Subject: First 1998 Canadian Crop Circle Formation


Circles Phenomenon Research Canada Update
August 19, 1998

First 1998 Canadian Crop Circle Formation!
(Preliminary Report)

The first crop circle formation in Canada for this year was
reported to the main CPR-Canada office on August 18. A large
dumbell pattern in barley was first found by the farmer on
August 16 near Esterhazy, Saskatchewan.

According to initial reports, the formation consists of a main
"circle", actually a set of concentric rings, about 75 feet
across, with a straight pathway about 10 feet long ending in a
small circle 12 feet across. The ring of standing crop between
the flattened concentric rings is only about 2 inches wide,
according to a local reporter who was in the formation soon
after discovery.

CPR-Canada and BLT are in the process of trying to aquire
adequate samples for lab testing. Further details, diagrams,etc.
as soon as they are available.

Also, the CPR-Canada Resource Guide booklets (as well as for
MRI) are almost finished; if you would like free copies, let me
know.

The web site is also updated, with more changes / additions
being made.

For further information or correspondence, contact:

Paul Anderson

Director
CIRCLES PHENOMENON RESEARCH CANADA
Affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International

Director
MILLENNIUM RESEARCH INSTITUTE

Representative
BLT RESEARCH, INC.

Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue, Vancouver, BC  V6J 1J4
Tel / Fax:  604.731.8522
E-Mail:  psa@direct.ca

CPR-Canada Web:  www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3310
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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:46:27 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97


>From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:38:00 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>On Aug. 17th, 1998 Mark Cashman quoted from the following
>website _blatantly_out_of_context_. This was obviously
>deliberate and very disingenuous. And then he used that ploy to
>'propel' his entire pseudo-skeptical debunkery:

>Cashman deliberately and disingenuously cut-off the above
>paragraph as it was written on our website! What Cashman
>_didn't_ include in his "quote" was the _last_sentence_ of the
>paragraph ... a simple but very important sentence : " Well ....
>times have changed". _Yes_! In other words, Cashman 'reverses'
>the meaning of the whole paragraph by cutting-out the last
>sentence! The last sentence clearly says, in other words and
>within the context of the paragraph, that we "DO have hard
>evidence and facts" to back-up what we are talking about!

The times haven't changed, Michael, and your missive shows quite
clearly that they haven't. And, no, as your lack of mathematical
knowledge clearly shows, you don't have any more evidence or
facts than any other numerologist or pyrimidologist.

BTW there was a lot of other material at the web site, which I
didn't include either, that reflects even more poorly. Such as:

"As a dream researcher, I was very interested to learn that
decades ago, Carl had an incredible dream where he was taken
back in time. He saw workers constructing the Great Pyramid at
Giza. Other dreams and experiences were directing him to "figure
out the pyramids." He did not understand or feel capable of
doing such a thing, whatever it was, but it was like being
bombarded by the Spirit to "DO IT!" This led to Carl's amazing
findings."

Or...

"I now think that the distance, on a baseball field, from the
pitcher's mound to home plate . . . 60 feet, 6 inches . . . is
not really *arbitrary*, either.  60 x 6 = 360.  But that's a
subject for another article."

As implied by the original statement, your "project" bases
itself on trying to justify the dreams and feelings of its
participants. In doing so it attributes all sorts of magical
properties to mundane events and coincidences. Nothing is shown
to justify the final sentence, so I did not include it. However,
it was there for anyone who chose to visit the website - and I
did include that reference, and I did recommend that interested
persons visit it.

In any event...

The basic premise of your "analysis" is that the UFO wanted to
communicate. The way in which it chose to do so was to hover
over a particular location.

However, UFOs frequently hover over a variety of locations for a
variety of time periods. This is ignored in the analysis. If
UFOs hover for reasons other than to communicate, for instance
to examine vehicles or persons or objects, then how can one
distinguish between those occurrences and the "special"
"communicative" hoverings? Simply by the amount of publicity
given by the earthly press?

How do you know the UFO occupants use modern American time units
and coordinates? I must assume it is by direct revelation, since
most UFO cases do not support this. In fact, in one of the few
cases to directly refer to time, the Hill case, Betty claims the
occupants were unfamiliar even with her concept of time.

The location of the hovering is NOT precisely fixed, but the
analysis fails to point out the consequences for "the message"
if the location is different from that stated. That's a basic
part of science. Ignored.

The duration is not precisely fixed, but the analysis fails to
point out the consequences for "the message" if the duration is
less or more than four minutes.  That's a basic part of science.
Ignored.

>On a similar note, Cashman _omits_ a lot of our math. In fact,
>he omits almost _all_ of the math. The math is the _key_ to what
>we're discussing, and he blows it off ! He then nit-picks on
>things like "well, are you sure the craft was _directly_ over
>the intersection" ... ?

If the basis is flawed, then the result will be flawed, as any
competent analyst knows. If I analyse the impact forces of the
Trans-en-Province object, but the height of the tree which is
used as a reference point is half or a third of what I assume, I
will end up with incorrect answers, and all of the rest of it
(impact heating, ground force loading, etc.) will be just as
flawed.

When the key to the "communication" argument is the
correspondence between the number 4 which supposedly keeps
cropping up in the computations, and the duration of the hover
in minutes, it is obviously a major issue if the period of that
hovering were less or greater than 4. But this is not of
interest to you - it's a "nit-pick".

>Cashman ignores the "we are re-discovering our lost and
>suppressed history" angle, because if he acknowledged this, he
>would have to seriously consider the idea that "they" (the
>pilots of 'some' UFOs, such as the one on the night of 3/13/97
>over Phoenix) are basically trying to help "clue-us-in" on
>getting back-in-touch with our very ancient metrology systems,
>and with the ancient 'grid systems' that I and my colleagues are
>trying to bring to people's attention.

I didn't ignore it. I just consider it a typical crackpot claim
that has been made again and again by people since time
immemorial. And if you can't support it with anything but
inaccurate and poorly reasoned calculations, don't expect any
serious researcher to take more time from real work to critique
it.

There are more useful things to do.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
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               Project Hessdalen Has Installed Automatic Field

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:55 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:56:36 -0400
Subject: Project Hessdalen Has Installed Automatic Field


Source: "alt.ufo.reports". But go to the field station page! Many of
the photos are very thought-provoking.

Stig

*******

A UFO window site

Author: Erling Strand =BF
Email: epstrand@online.no
Date: 1998/08/17
Forums: alt.ufo.reports

Hessdalen in Norway is a small valley which is famous for the huge
amount of UFO-sightnings during the last 17 years. You may find more on
chapter 6 in the Sturrock report, see

http://www.jse.com/PR_UFO_98.html

and at

http://www.hiof.no/crulp/

Project Hessdalen has now installed an automatic field station.
It started its operation on Friday 7. August at 22.00. You may
have a look at the data and pictures on page:

http://indy.hiof.no/~hessdalen/engelsk/index.html


Regards from Erling Strand

epstrand@online.no

Erling.P.Strand@hiof.no





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                            Upcoming NBC Special

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:09:48 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:48:08 -0400
Subject: Upcoming NBC Special

On "alt.ufo.reports", August 19, a well-informed source revealed
information on NBC's upcoming 2 hour special.

Stig

*******

Confirmation

Author: Aaron LeClair =BF
Email: saucer@bellsouth.net
Date: 1998/08/19
Forums: alt.ufo.reports

The NBC 2 hour special called Confirmation that deals with implant
removal and Strieber's latest book is going to air in Feb. NBC was
filming an "implant" removal yesterday and the footage is expected to
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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:39:05 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!
<snip>
>Ted,

>I find this REALLY SCARY.  Not just a lack of critical thinking,
>but a lack of thinking alltogether.
>
>Anyone with eyes in their heads can clearly see that those are
>not alien symbols but faces of Elvis and Jesus alternating.

>Bob


Jesus, people!

What is this argument all about? Don't you know John Lennon and
the Pope when you see them?

Dennis






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                      Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

From: Brian Boldman <apav8r@netunlimited.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:45:06 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:44:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?


>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:10:44 -0500 (CDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

>>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: Angel Hair Cases On The Rise?

><snip>

>>Brian,

><snip>

>>If one knew the height of the UFO, the meterological conditions
>>of wind shear and degree of sunshine, plus time of day and year,
>>the duration of the release of effluent and the average fall
>>velocity, one could estimate the expected area and shape of the
>>pattern of angel hair coverage on the ground. Too many unknown
>>variables there, unfortunately.

>> Jim

>Jim,

>Why not just ask Billy Meier, or someone associated with same,
>for the answer to angel hair? Why bother with all these messy
>calculations in the first place when one can go straight to
>the "source," so to speak?

Dennis,

I assume this comment was meant for Jim, not me. But since my
name precedes Jim's, I wish to clarify my view on Meier. I have
long thought the Meier case to be a hoax. Kal's book put the
final nails in the coffin for me. I have scanned the Meier/
Korff threads, and it beats me why Kal feels it necessary to so
vigorously flog a long-dead horse.

>Out of sheer curiosity, has angel hair ever been reported in
>association with an animal mutilation or crop circle, or, for
>that matter, an abduction? If not, why not?

I don't have records of AH falls directly associated with
mutilations, but I believe there are cases where similar
constituents were found. I'll have to check my files, but I
believe Dr. Altshuler mentioned a similar type material to
me several years ago at a Eureka Springs conference. There
was a case in Greenville, TN in July 1964, that involved a
round lighted UFO hovering over a barn, the next morning two
foot strands of AH were found. I have no record of any
livestock being harmed.

Crop circles: Last summer I went to England, Salisbury Plains.
(I actually found a crop circle, behind the Bratton White Horse,
this is documented on Crop Circle Connector)
http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/crop_circles/1997/bratton97.html

Anyway, at the Barge Inn, I made inquiries as to AH, and most
people thought I was nuts. To my knowledge, there are _no_
reports of AH associated with CC's. Of course, there are reports
of various residues, powders, ect, but no AH falls.

Abductions: I don't have an opinion about the veracity of
witness reports re "abductions" one way or the other. I am after
_tangible_ evidence, not stories. I found one case on the net
that qualifies as "pseudo-angel hair," but I am withholding
judgement on it.

"In 1984-- as I was beginning my work as a researcher in
metaphysics--on several occasions I awoke to find unusual
patterns on the navy carpet in my bedroom. The patterns were
large and looked like "clear glitter" had been sprinkle on the
floor in various patterns. The "glitter" would remain for days
if you did not disturb it. The strings--or lines --would appear
to dissolve by touching them"

http://www.crystalinks.com/angelhair.html

>Just curious,

>Dennis

Dennis,

I'm curious too. As too the lack of AH asociated w/ mutes,
abductions, ect, I would point out that the AH phenomenon is
associated w/ objects _at altitude,_ not bedside, or horse-side
aliens. There is no doubt that atmospheric UFO dynamics come
into play here.

Brian






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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:13:28 -0400
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Subject: List Off-line Until Monday, Aug 24



This List will be on hiatus until AM, next Monday the 24th. I'm
out of town, shooting video - have a swell weekend.

ebk





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                    Oz & NZ Authors, Books and Magazines

From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:28:26 +1000
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:22:03 -0400
Subject: Oz & NZ Authors, Books and Magazines


Keith Basterfield Network Australia
tkbnetw@fan.net.au

Hi everyone

Now that where all getting acquainted I thought it would be a
good idea if I informed you that we too have some really good
Australian & New Zealand UFO Authors, Books & Magazines, which
would help you, get acquainted with what's going on here in
Australia & New Zealand.

This list was put together by me "Diane not by any book
promotions company. I have have taken it on myself to promote
Australia & New Zealand in the UFO field.

Books list

1. 'UFOs: A Report On Australian Encounters'
By Keith Basterfield
Published by Reed Books (Australia.)

2. 'The Oz Files'
By Bill Chalker
Published by Duffy & Snellgrove (Australia.)

3.      The Gosford Files UFOs over the NSW Central Coast.
By Moira McGhee & Bryan Dickeson
Published by the Independent Network of UFO Researchers
 (INUFOR) (Australia.)

4. 'Co-Evolution'
By Alex Newald (New Zealand)

5. 'Let's Hope They're Friendly!'
By Quentin Fogarty
Published by Angus & Robertson.
(New Zealand Encounter)

6. 'Encounter'
By Kelly Cahill
Published by HarperCollins in (Australia.)

7. 'Abduction To The 9th Planet'
By Michel Desmarquet
Published by Arafura (Australia)


Magazines

1. 'Ufologist'
By Robert Frola
Published Independently by Robert (Australia)
The only magazine Fully covering the Australian & New Zealand UFO
Phenomena.

2. 'Nexus'
Editor Duncan M. Roads
Published by NEXUS magazine Pty Ltd

3. 'Exposure Magazine'
By David Summers (Australia)

I may have missed some so if I have please let me know:>)

Kind Regards Diane
Sharing is Caring





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                             Friedman Lectures?

From: "Sharon Kardol" <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:50 +0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:20:39 -0400
Subject: Friedman Lectures?


G'day,

Just curious if anyone knows if Mr Friedman
will be appearing in Perth, West Aust. at all
during his tour?

There's comfort in the classics.

Shaz.






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                          Quirindi Angel Hair Case

From: Diane Harrison <tkbnetw@fan.net.au>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:28:48 +1000
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:21:00 -0400
Subject: Quirindi Angel Hair Case

Keith Basterfield Network Australia
tkbnetw@fan.net.au
Aug.18th

Hi all

Just received a long and detailed report from Peter Turner and
Bryan Dickeson of UFO Research New South Wales Group based in
Sydney about the "Quirindi Angel Hair Case". I have their
permission to post it up for all to see. After sending it out as
a confidential message to my overseas contacts, I received a
surprising reply from Tom King of Phoenix, Arizona (USA) worth
passing on to all of you. First Bill Chalker shared his personal
encounter with "angel hair" back in 1969, then a reply posted by
Diane Harrison from Jan Autry of APRO (USA) describing another
"angel hair" contact many years ago, and now Tom King of Phoenix
(USA) admits to not only touching it but actually videotaping it
back in 1996. He is sending me a copy to show at the upcoming
National UFO Conference in Sydney at the YWCA on Sept. 12th &
13th. I for one would like to see what it looks like, wouldn't
you? How about someother "angel hair" tales? Anyone else seen it
or touched it?

The following reports are long but richly detailed. Read
carefully for amazing facts of this strange aspect to the UFO
Phenomenon.
----------------------------------------------------------------
------------


From: Bryan Dickeson <bryand@genasys.com.au> To:
"'mikefarr@midcoast.com.au'" <mikefarr@midcoast.com.au> Subject:
Quirindi event (Monday 10 August 1998 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998
15:08:54 +-1000

>From Peter Turner, Bryan Dickeson UFOR(NSW)

(Please note: Draft only - sizing and other details to be
confirmed)

Account from Eunice S, aged 61. (One of at least four
witnesses.)

Seen above southern section of township of Quirindi, NSW (31deg
30 mins South, 150deg 41min East) some 61 km (south) from
Tamworth .

Soon after midday - around 1 o'clock(?) Eunice and Noelene were
in the back garden finishing their cups of tea. Noelene lay down
on bench looking straight up into the sky, while Eunice took the
cups back inside. On returning Eunice heard Noelene say "That's
going bloody fast!"

Eunice looked directly upwards where Noeleen was pointing and
saw a silver ball moving quickly across the sky from East to
West (?) over Quirindi.

Then several other appeared. They were all a long way up "higher
than the jets they often see going overhead" and were a bright
metallic grey with a size "like tennis balls". They moved
quickly, or stopped (hovered) and started in a very complex
series of movements. They moved up and down and around, but
"never got any lower than the usual height normal planes travel
over [Quirindi] at". The objects made absolutely no noise.

Her husband, Mario (an ex NATO pilot in the 6-day Middle East
war) estimated they were flying around the 50-60,000 feet.

She noticed that one of the larger spheres then seemed to turn
side-on slightly , and she could see that it was in fact two
spheres, connected ("tethered") by a cylinder (soon after
described to Eunice as a "dumb-bell" shape) - two of these
dumbells were seen during the sighting which lasted well over
1.5 hours (possibly 2 hours).

Mostly the objects were the smaller, simple spheres and at one
time there were about 20 objects in the sky at once. They tended
to arrive slowly from the East or the West "in waves", before
beginning their fast and complex manoeuvres.

Eunice described the larger obects as being "2-3 inches long" at
arm's length which suggests they were between 820 and 980 metres
across (900 + 80 metres) - PT/BD -- details to be confirmed).

Manoeuvres very complex, and covered whole of the sky -
difficult for any one witness to follow all that was going on:

Examples of movements (some details to be confirmed)

1. Objects in formation would veer off to the left and right, or
come up close to each other, almost to the same point and
stop/hover - showing fast, precise flying, right-angle turns, or
same complex manoeuvres mirrored by several objects, or objects
moving side-by-side.

2. Would come in reasonably slow but manoeuvre very fast - at "a
speed like jets" turning and formation flying. Up to 20
manoeuvring at a time, and others "coming in over the house"

3. At one time there were four spheres stacked up one on top of
each other and stationary.

4. Lines of stationary spheres would leapfrog one another. One
sphere would move up and over a stationary one in front or
behind it and fall into line position in front or behind the
stationary sphere by exactly the same distance. The next sphere
would leapfrog under its neighbouring sphere and take up
position.  These were precise and deliberate, controlled
movements.

5. From a flying 'arrowhead' formation of five, one banked left,
one right, one  or two would fly straight ahead and one fly
straight downwards.

6. Two spheres followed each other in tight formation and at
very high speed while other spheres were moving in and around
these two central objects, travelling even faster and in a more
intricate flightpath.

7. Mario saw at least one of the smaller spheres fly up and into
one of the bigger dumb bells (after he had been talking to
another ufologist he began referring to these two larger
dumbbell craft as 'motherships')

8. One of the stationary dumbells had a smaller sphere head
directly towards it at very high speed as if to collide, then
executed a right-angle turn, and swerved to pass right through
the dumbbell and came out the other side unchanged -- all at
high speed!

When objects flying in straight lines from A - B no 'exhaust'
could be seen. But when objects manoeuvring, they could clearly
see a light whitish material streaming out from inside (?) the
object and behind (this was definitely not a vapour); "it came
out of the back of the craft and fell downwards."

The light material appeared to consolidate into long,
substantial whitish strands that could be seen falling slowly
downwards all around the local area, onto telephone wires and
trees. It was not being blown by the wind - there was no wind -
there had been several days of heavy rain previously (in other
nearby parts of NSW record rainfalls had/were creating flood
conditions); Monday was the first clear, clean blue-sky day
after this rain. The air temperature was still cool and wintery.

The white material appeared to be carried by slight warm-air
"thermals". Very little of this material actually landed in
Eunice's place, but pieces fell in surrounding areas and on the
street nearby. Noelene first retrieved a 30 cm strand from a
nearby bush - it was extremely light, whitish and strong, like
cotton, requiring a good tug to break. It quickly "dissolved"
away to nothing when handled.

Noelene retrieved a second piece which was about 90 cm long and
which seemed to be made up of two separate strands. This was put
into a clean yoghurt container with a piece of gladwrap over the
top and a rubber band to hold the gladwrap in place.

Eunice had gone to speak to husband Mario, who was working in
the front of the house on the verandah on repairs, sawing wood
with an electric saw. At first, he thought Eunice was pulling
his leg but could see the objects flying around above the roof
of the house

Mario turned his saw off and placed it on the ground. The saw
turned itself back on (which was unusual) -- still to confirm
what happened with saw after that (PT/BD)

Mario (ex-NATO pilot) said the craft were some way off - higher
than most jets at possibly 50-60,000 feet. He's familiar with
conventional aircraft overflying the area.

Looking straight up, he saw four objects stacked one on top of
the other, in line. In the middle was one of the larger dumb
bells. He thought it must be helicopters at first, but too big.
Appeared to be going to one side and then the other. Mario
watched display for a good 50 minutes - very clear.

Eunice went inside to telephone others and look for their video
camera. She it on to Ross Dowe's National UFO Information
hotline. She spoke to Ross Dowe for about 5 minutes (at about
$3.20 per minute) before saying she had to ring off because she
couldn't afford to keep paying for the call (Ross wanted her to
keep talking). She gave him her phone number so he could call
her back (Ross had said he couldn't guarantee that he would call
her back).


(Apparently Telstra gets the first $3.20 per call and Ross gets
any further time/value per caller - BD)

Within a few minutes, the phone started jumping as radio
stations and newspapers began calling Eunice back - Ross must
have put it on the wire (WITHOUT even asking Eunice's
permission) and had still not called back by the following
Friday. By the time she gave up answering the phone and went
back outside, the objects had all gone. No video was taken.

Mario said that the objects had been "jumping from side to side"
-- they appeared to fade-out in one location and fade-in in
another location nearby, before they all disappeared.

The same day, but later on that evening at around 7.30, Mario
heard all the neighbourhood dogs barking and went outside - he
saw a very bright reddish orange ball of fire, a little smaller
than the moon pass slowly and smoothly overhead from the east -
as if covered with flames. He was unable to estimate it's
height, except to say it was probably not very high up - It soon
disappeared after several minutes behind a range of low
hills/mountains to the west of Quirindi.

After an account appeared in local papers, such as the Northern
Daily Leader (A short, mistake-ridden account also appeared in
the Sydney Daily Telegraph on Tuesday 11 August) and state-wide
radio news telephone interviews with Eunice, she was contacted
by Gary from Gunnedah. He is a Telstra technician who was
visiting the telephone exchange at Piallaway, 40 km North of
Quirindi. At about 2 p.m. Gary  noticed masses of white
cobweb-like material falling down around him - falling onto onto
fences, telephone lines and bushes etc and onto his car. He
could not see anything up in the (clear) sky at all. Mystified
by it all. The cobweb-like substance evaporated fairly quickly
when he handled it. When he got back home to Gunnedah, he
noticed there were still some remnants on his car but this had
since vanished.

During all her unanticipated 'public' interviews with (some very
smartass) city radio reporters, Eunice has remained completely
unflappable about what they all saw in Quyirindi. To her its a a
fact that they saw something unusual

Eunice has since been interviewed over the 'phone by Moira
McGhee (INUFOR), and Peter Turner and Bryan Dickeson (UFORNSW);
but has had numerous other calls from media.

Eunice decided to send her yoghurt container of angel's hair to
Moira McGhee of INUFOR in Sydney. (Eunice posted it Wednesday,
and it was received by Moira on Thursday.) Moira contacted Bryan
Dickeson (UFORNSW) on Friday - who suggested she put it into
fridge freezer (angel's hair is a notoriously unstable material
which sublimates from solid to gas phase very quickly) while
Bryan located someone to analyse the material. Time is now of
the essence.

The yoghurt-container 'sample' has since been passed on by Moira
McGhee to UFO researcher Bill Chalker (on Saturday evening 14
August) for laboratory analysis via his contacts - for gas
chromatography tests, in vacuum, by a Sydney laboratory. The
package still had not been opened in Sydney on Saturday evening,
to check the state of its contents, HOWEVER......

the Angels hair (AH) sample may have already sublimated
altogether. Reports of AH are fairly common from the 1950s and
1960s (much rarer recently). One author (Dickeson) remembers a
personal AH incident from March 1958 (when aged 7) in New
Zealand when a small hank of fibres landed on his sleeve from a
completely clear blue sky and sublimated within 5 minutes before
he could get home =BD kilometre away to show parents.

There are extremely few good AH cases from the late 1960s to
1990s - most incidents have since been attributed to 'gossamer'
incidents (the massive accumulation of web-parachutes created by
millions of small spiders for seasonal dispersal/migration - AH
ideas have fallen out of favour in recent years due to the lack
of good, recent examples)

Theories from 1950s (1959) and 1960s re angel's hair could now
be tested fairly reasonably if UFO researchers have good/prompt
access to gas chromatography and X-ray crystallography
equipment.

Back then, AH was seen as a sort of polymer of air molecules
(nitrogen and oxygen) caused by the unusual high-frequency,
electromagnetic and plasma effects associated with some UFOs
(especially spinning disks). For example, in a fairy floss/candy
floss machine, coloured sugar is melted in a small, heated,
rotating cup and flows outwards through tiny holes in the walls
of the spinning cup by centrifugal force. When the molten sugar
hits the air it cools into the fibres of coloured sugar-glass we
call fairy floss.

Similarly, AH is thought to form by a metastable polymerisation
of Nitrogen and Oxygen - the plasma electromagnetic effects near
UFOs create highly-directed, 180 degree metastable N-O bonds
which link up into long polymers/fibres around a
quickly-rotating body such as a disk, or in air streaming
through the magnetic field generated in the central cylindrical
section of a bar-magnet-type field (consistent in the Quirindi
case with a moving dumb-bell-shaped object, where AH was seen to
form behind theobject). This 180 degree bonding seems chemically
possible using some of the so-called 'forbidden' electron states
of Nitrogen and Oxygen (states which are usually only seen to
occur in some auroral phenomena in the near-vacuum plasma
environment at the top of the atmosphere, and which can be
simulated in the laboratory). These bonds are, however, unstable
under normal conditions and the N and O atoms drop off the ends
of the AH fibre and return to their usual N2 and O2 states -
that is, the fibres sublimate from a solid to a gas without
melting (to a liquid) in between.

If you have ever used an out-of-synch arc welder, you can (under
the right temperature and moisture conditions) create small
amounts of a similar sort of white 'ash' at the electrode, which
quickly sublimates. Also, a light white material is created
momentarily by the sparks from a large, discharging Van de Graaf
generator in the laboratory (BD has seen this phenomenon at the
School of Electrical Engineering at Ilam, in Christchurch New
Zealand in 1974; a path of 'ash' exactly duplicates the shape of
the discharge spark is created; this always floats downwards for
a second or so, presumably under the influence of gravity,
before fading/disappearing - the two electrical engineers
present acknowledged this phenomenon and said it didn't seem to
be a visual artefact created on the eye retinas of observers by
the bright discharge spark, but weren't interested/did'nt know
what it was). This material has(to our knowledge) never been
analysed, because it's seen to have no commercial/research
potential.

For ufologists, recreating AH in the laboratory could well
indicate the sorts of electromagnetic conditions found near UFOs
- any information Bill Chalker's analysis team can find about
the Quirindi material will therefore be most welcome.

Peter Turner and Bryan Dickeson for UFOR(NSW)

----------------------------------------------------------------


>From Tom King (USA)...(please excuse his use of language-Mike)

"Angle Hair huh. You want to know about it?

I've seen it. Touched it, videotaped it, and trying to collect
samples of it.  I gave up on this stuff about 2 years ago. I ran
into alot of it during my solar research days. I saw miles of
this stuff up in the sky. Huge long strands. I have hours and
hours of tape of it. I might have even taped some of it in my
trees as block long strands fell all over the place in 1996.

It can touch leaves and trees and survive, but disappears like
cotton candy when your fingers touch it. You need a branch to
collect samples of it. Even that is hard. I was trying to get
samples to send to a lab to study. The stuff is different than a
spider web. Spider webs are sticky and small. This stuff is
very, very long thin lines.

Angle hair is usually seen during intense UFO activity, or
clusters of them. I have some old footage I shot laying around
somewhere showing how its made.

A small silver sphere dumps it out slowly. Its really similar to
a goldfish taking a dump. Even two spheres will connect with it.
Debunkers call it spider webs with spider eggs on it. But that
is bullshit."

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Think Globally-Act Locally!
Mike Farrell
P.O.Box 2526
Port Macquarie
New South Wales 2444
Australia

"Reality is whatever doesn't go away when you stop believing in it!"









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              Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

From: Brian Straight <brians@mdbs.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:48:12 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:40:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:46:27 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>From: Michael L. Morton <Milamo@aol.com>
>>>Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:38:00 EDT
>>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>>Subject: Re: Major Revelation Re: Phoenix UFO Of 03-13-97

>>>Cashman deliberately and disingenuously cut-off the above
>>>paragraph as it was written on our website! What Cashman
>>>_didn't_ include in his "quote" was the _last_sentence_ of the
>>>paragraph ... a simple but very important sentence : " Well ....
>>>times have changed". _

>>The times haven't changed, Michael, and your missive shows quite
>>clearly that they haven't.

Indeed they haven't.  Does anyone remember that excellent piece
Asimov wrote (a long time ago) on Numerology?  He used
Biblical numerology to 'prove' a particular concept, and then
used it again to 'prove' exactly the opposite.  Indeed, I think
he had some sort of challenge that he could extend the same
proofing to any theory appropriate to 'Numerological analysis'
by simply manipulating otherwise unrelated Biblical numbers.

If I recall correctly, he was never stumped!

Brian





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                Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:48:48 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:37:03 -0400
Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!


>Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:19:41 -0500 (CDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
>Subject: Re: More Amazing Roswell Debris Enhancements!

>>I find this REALLY SCARY.  Not just a lack of critical thinking,
>>but a lack of thinking alltogether.

>>Anyone with eyes in their heads can clearly see that those are
>>not alien symbols but faces of Elvis and Jesus alternating.

>>Bob


>Jesus, people!

>What is this argument all about? Don't you know John Lennon and
>the Pope when you see them?

>Dennis


Hey Dennis,

You may be right.  I just took those "symbols" and using a very
sophisticated computer program coupled to my MIDI synthesizer
converted them to audio signals.  If you then play the tape
backwards it clearly says "Turn me on, dead man" !

I consider this frightfully important, since we all know that
Paul McCarney was replaced by an alien surrogate in the 70s.

Now I am just trying to figure out the significance of this with
regard to Pyramidology.

Bob Nearsight Institute ( A non-prophet organization)








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                         Re: Corso Caught Out Again

From: Karl T. Pflock <Ktperehwon@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:43:09 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:55:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Corso Caught Out Again


Greetings List Slaves--

As many of you out there know, I'm collaborating with Jim
Moseley of "Saucer Smear" fame on 'Shockingly Close To The
Truth!', Jim's ufological memoirs. Part of the job entails
steeping myself in all the saucerian delights and outrages
covered and perpetrated in "Smear" and its precursors, all the
way back to 1954. It's fascinating, entertaining, and often
enlightening reading. As for example last night...

Opening the bound volume containing volumes 38-40, I turned to
the February 23, 1993, issue of 'Smear', where to my delighted
surprise I found this lead story:

"Did The U.S. Army Shoot Down A Ufo Over Germany In 1974?

"Departing from our usual negative pattern, 'Smear' now presents
the outline of a pro-UFO incident that allegendly occurred in
Germany back in 1974, at the height of the now-defunct Cold War.
The story has been given to us by a man whose identity we know,
but who will be known here as 'Dr. B'....

"On the night of May 23rd-24th, 1974, men of the 32nd Air
Defense Command of the U.S. Army were deployed in a mountain
pass northeast of Ramstein Air Force Base, Germany. They were on
'special duty' because the Russians and/or Warsaw Pact forces
had been messing around, trying out the Western air defenses,
this being a common tactic on both sides. On this eventful
night, two Chapparal missile emplacements were among the weapons
deployed with live ammunition in this valley....

"To make a long story short, apparently a UFO rather than a
Russian MIG or any other conventional airplane was actually shot
down, and the remains of it were flown in a high secret manner
to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, and Nellis Air Force
Base, Nevada.

"The narrative, as given to us by 'Dr. B.,' is contained in an
11-page double- spaced typed manuscript, which is the essence of
a forthcoming book he will write on the subject....

"The format of 'Smear' does not allow space for us to print the
whole story, and we don't want to ruin it by chopping it up in
our own way, since your editor has practically no knowledge at
all of military jargon. We therefore offer this 11-page tract to
our readers at $5 per copy....

"Our readers can also reach 'Dr. B.' by mail...by writing to him
care of 'Saucer Smear'.... 'Dr. B.' is hoping that, as with the
Roswell case, new leads will show up as a result of the 'Smear'
publication."

Now, then, read and compare with the above this from p. 127 of
the hardcover edition of Corso and Birnes' DAY AFTER ROSWELL
(1997):

"Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a
missile before the UFO could take any evasive action, which an
army air defense battalion did with an antiaircraft missile near
Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany in May 1974. The spacecraft
managed to crash-land in a valley. The craft was retrieved and
flown back to Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada."

There are those out there who will take this as further
confirmation of Corso's grandiose wet dream, and I'm sure we'll
hear such claims from, among others, the late lieutenant
colonel's son and co-author Birnes. As for me, it seems clear
it's yet another example of extensive Corso-Birnes borrowings
from material predating Corso's switch from POWs to UFOs as a
vehicles to fame and fortune.

Hmmmm... I wonder... Did Jim Moseley have a role in?... Nah.
Well, I'll definitely ask him about it as soon as he returns to
'Smear' headquarters from his current travels.

Don't miss 'Shockingly Close To The Truth!' for shockingly close
to true answers to this and other questions hovering about this
and other ufological mysteries--perhaps even the true identity
of "Dr. B."

-- Ad astra per ufologia (maybe), KARL PFLOCK






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                          Re: Upcoming NBC Special

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:42:12 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:48:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Upcoming NBC Special

>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:09:48 +0200
>Subject: NBC Special: Implant Removal And Strieber's New Book Among The=
 Topics

>On "alt.ufo.reports", August 19, a well-informed source revealed
>information on NBC's upcoming 2 hour special.

>Stig

>*******

>Confirmation

>Author: Aaron LeClair =BF
>Email: saucer@bellsouth.net
>Date: 1998/08/19
>Forums: alt.ufo.reports

>The NBC 2 hour special called Confirmation that deals with implant
>removal and Strieber's latest book is going to air in Feb. NBC was
>filming an "implant" removal yesterday and the footage is expected to
>be shown on the show.

Hi Stig, hi All,

"Implant removal?" Musta been someone other than Strieber. I
heard that when the surgeon tried to get it, the implant ran
through Whitleys' ear like a cockroach from a pointy shoe. I
heard that they couldn't get it! Has anyone else heard anything?

Budd called me and asked me if I would appear on this NBC thing
and -I passed on it.- Especially after I spoke with one of the
production assistants. See transcript of that exchange below.
Funny stuff!

I'm glad I passed. It turns out that during taping at Budds'
studio the director had Budd turn off the air conditioning on a
day when it was _all_ of a humid 98 degrees here in NY! It had
to be 110 inside that room with all those people and intense
studio lights burning.

He then puts the camera right up close into the sweaty faces of
the abductees as they spoke. (Some) of what you will see is;
people sweating bullets while telling their abduction related
stories. Not a 'pretty picture!'  Even worse if intentional.

Check this out:

A couple of days later one of the producers' assistants calls me
at home to ask me if I'll come into a studio in Manhattan and
tape an interview. I'm paraphrasing, but the conversation went
something like this: j=3D me   pa=3D production assistant

j: "What's the program about?"

pa: "Abduction. We've got Whitley Strieber and many others so
you won't have anything to worry about."

(*Two red flags leaped out at me. 1. "Whitley Strieber" and 2.
"you don't have anything to worry about." ??? As soon as someone
tells me, "Don't worry," I start to worry! )

j: "Whitley Strieber? What's his part in this?"

pa: "Oh, the show is called 'Confirmation' after Whitley's latest
book."

j: "I haven't read Whitleys book."

(long silence)

pa: "Well, there are other people on the show."

j: "What other people?"

pa: "Ahh, other abductees."

j: "If you already have interviews with 'other abductees' why do
you need me?"

pa: "Well we want to make sure that we give a balanced
presentation."

j: "Balanced presentation? Who's sitting on the other end of the
seesaw?"

pa: "Oh, just some skeptics who have alternate explanations to
offer."

j: "Do you mind if I ask you 'who' these skeptics are?"

pa: "Well one of them is ahhh, Joe Nickel, . . . ."

(I interrupted her after she said Joe Nickel. Strike three!
Strike one was Strieber, strike two was "don't worry" and now
Joe Nickel. Yer outta there batter! From this point on she's
beating a dead horse.)

j: "Joe Nickel from CSICOP?"

pa: "Oh yes, I think that's the name of his group. Do you know
him?"

j: "Oh you bet I know him! I did a program with him two years
ago (CNBC) and all I got for my trouble was insulted and
ridiculed. Why would I want to do another program that he's
going to be on? CSICOP is a joke! Did you recruit them or did
they hear about the project and volunteer?"

pa: "Ahhh, I don't know. The producer is the one who chose all
of the people who will be on the program."

j: "I'm sorry but I think I'll pass. Thank you for asking."

(The conversation _should_ have ended here. But noooo!)

pa: "You know, this is two hours during 'Prime Time' (emphasis
hers) and it'll be seen by a lot of people. This is a very
important program for NBC."

j: (Deadpan, and with all the New Yawk attitude I could muster)
"And that means _what_ to me?"

(Painfully long silence.)

pa: "Well it's just a very important project for NBC."

(Here I abandoned all pretense of politeness.)

j: "It may be 'important' to NBC, and it may be 'important' to
you, but it doesn't mean a blasted thing to me. You dangle it
like some kind of an irresistible carrot. I don't care. It's not
important to me.

(Long silence)

pa: "Will you come in for the interview?"

j: "Have you been doing *whippits?"

pa: "Whaaaat?"

j: "Never mind, good bye!"

'click'

Ass holes!

I hope it turns out to be a good program for all concerned. I
just can't deal with the idiots that put these things together
sometimes. Talk about Holly-golly-wood, some of these folks are
really out of touch with reality! <VBG>

Peace,

John Velez, Not ready for 'Prime Time' player! <G>

(*Whippits =3D Some high school kids in NY sniff the propellant
gas from aerosol cans to get a cheap high! A sixteen year old
kid died from it just yesterday.)

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From: Roy Hale <roy_hale@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:22:08 -0400
Subject: UK Abduction Support Groups


Hi All,

Does anyone have, any info they can give me of UK Abduction Support
Groups.

I would apreciate any info, you could give me as I am looking to
contact a UK based A.S.G. for research purposes.

                     Regards
                     Roy..

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From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:49:50 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:07:02 -0400
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Filer's Files #33-1998  MUFON Skywatch Investigations
George A. Filer,    MUFON Eastern Director,
August 20, 1998,  Majorstar@aol.com  609 654-0020

UFO ACTIVITY IS INCREASING

I wish to announce and give special recognition to a longtime
MUFON member, Travis Goodson of Alabama who just passed his MUFON
Field investigator's exam with a high score of 90.
Congratulations, Travis this is one of the highest scores that I
am aware of for this test. So keep up the good work.  Now, your
detective work begins in your search for UFOs!

VERMONT

Thomas McFarland writes: "Things have started off with a bang
with UFO sightings and development of the MUFON Vermont Web site.
 A couple in their late twenties on August 3, 1998, saw a bright
"shimmering" light in the North sky at 12:25 to 01:30 PM and
again the next night about the same time.  The object was thirty
degrees off the horizon, moving very slowly, "Almost hovering."
They watched it through a high powered rifle scope until it
traveled out of sight.  The object had three bright evenly spaced
lights in a horizontal line.  On the outside of these lights was
another white light, but much dimmer.  The object appeared round
and had both red and green flashing lights "in a manner and
pattern that made it impossible to state from where they came."
I received another report today of a similar "shimmering" bright
object in the NNW sky in recent days. I will post on the MUFON
VT web site at http://homepages.together.net/~nightowl.   Thanks
to Thomas McFarland.

 NEW YORK:=09

Mary Island:  Larry Hatch reports,  "On August 8, 1998, several
families were camping at the Mary Island State Camp Grounds in
the St. Lawrence river near the entrance to Lake Ontario.  While
watching a large full orange 'harvest' moon, one person noticed
an unusual steady orange light to the south, some twenty degrees
above the horizon.  At 9:00 PM, the witness pointed it out to the
others.  They watched the light, described as the size of a
thumbnail at arm=92s length, when they noticed it appeared to be
silently approaching over the water.  After about two minutes it
changed color to bright white, then abruptly winked out."  One
witness had a similar sighting at their home on Otisco Lake a few
years before.  They had noticed a white light silently moving
towards them over a lake.  They went into their home to get
another person to come out and see it, when a brilliant light
flooded the interior of their home.  Suddenly, the light went out
and the object was gone.  The number of lake related sightings
suggests a fruitful research project may be to select a lake and
conduct a formal survey of people having property along the
shoreline.  These sightings will be added to the online database
at www.nymufon.org . Thanks to Larry Clark, NY. MUFON  at
mbarry4@ibm.net.

GEORGIA

Athens: MUFON/ISUR=92s John Thompson reports that now August is
here, activity is picking up.  He received a call from Peter
Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) who had
talked to a gentlemen from Athens who had just seen a UFO at 5:30
PM.  The caller said he was facing the airport at Athens, when he
saw a white oval shaped craft move horizontally between him and
the airport.  Within three seconds the oval shaped craft stopped
and shot straight up at an almost instantaneous speed.  Peter
said this witness is drawing a sketch and has been advised that
someone from MUFON will be in touch with him.

LaGrange: On August 10, 1998, a former college football player
reported, he had see a UFO in east LaGrange at approximately
12:30 AM.  Getting up from bed, he said he noticed as he passed
his window that it was totally dark.  As a street light is only
70 feet from his two story high bedroom window, and is always
spilling light into his apartment, he knew something was amiss.
Looking north he saw nothing except gray darkness, no light, no
sky, no trees, no stars; nothing but dark gray.  While trying to
locate his familiar street light, he saw that "something" was
beginning to move away from him.  Non- blinking red and yellow
lights soon appeared.  Then he saw an intensely bright
bluish-green florescent light.  When the unknown object was at
100 yards away its size finally became apparent, so that its
entire perimeter could be seen in the confines of his 36 inch
wide window.  The dark gray object looked like a "Colonial loaf
of bread" seen from one end and had yellow and red lights around
its edges.  The bottom of the UFO was squared off and its
straight perpendicular sides lead to a more rounded and
symmetrical top.  Somewhere from the middle, or on the squared
off bottom edge, of the UFO the bluish green light shined
brilliantly.  He watch the object ascend at a 20 degree angle
until it leveled after twenty seconds.  Suddenly, it streaked off
at a speed slower than lightning but many times faster than a jet
plane.  Its green light left a trail as it sped away.  The UFO
was considerably larger than a house and was less than 70 feet
away.  No sound was made by the UFO.  After the UFO left, the
view outside returned to normal.  The street lamp was on and
nearby houses and trees were lighted from the glare of the lamp.
Weather conditions were 85 degrees F., partly cloudy with
southerly winds of 5 mph.
It was hovering at less than twenty feet high for thirty seconds
before departing northward.  A check with 911 revealed no other
UFO reports.  A MUFON general case form was completed and signed
by the witness.  A search for other witnesses is being made.
Thanks to John Thompson.

Auburn: Sometime around August 10, 1998, Couple Dennis and Dee
Stone and friends of mine from the automobile business, reported
that they saw a UFO hover over and near their house.  In a
conversation with Dennis on August 14, 1998, he stated that the
UFO was triangular shaped and that it had blue lights that
overlapped and one was revolving counterclockwise and the other
clockwise.  He demonstrated the movement of these lights by using
two pieces of paper.  They have invited me to spend some time up
at their home in Auburn to see if the UFO returns.  The area
behind Dennis and Dee's house is empty fields around 10 plus
acres.  Since the UFO arrived, Dennis' dog Shattzie, a very
friendly dog, turned somewhat "violent" toward David.  Dennis
children who just came down from Boston became sick a day after
the UFO was sighted.
Thanks to David Norcross dogstardave20@hotmail.com (David Brown)


FLORIDA

Del Ray Beach: Mary Margaret Zimmer provides a completed MUFON
investigation of two similar sightings by an excellent witness
(whose name is being withheld by request).  On June 17, 1998, a
security guard at the Rainbery Lakes gated community heard a
strange sound like a DC-7 aircraft engine, with a core sound of a
woo, woo, woo, woo, woo in second intervals.  At 1:35 AM, she ran
towards the sound and saw a large strange object in the sky at an
altitude of 750 feet moving at 200 mph.  The witness describes
the UFO has a monster craft flying over the tree tops.  It was
150 feet long with a red pulsating nose and tail.
The fuselage was a dark Grey color and was slightly bent down
cigar or rod.
The red flashing lights were slightly lower than the main part of
the craft.
The tree-tops near the tennis courts where the craft was first
observed were burned and the ground was scarred.  The observer
was very frightened by the encounter.  We are attempting to have
the soil analyzed.  Because of the previous sighting, the
security officer started bringing her camera to work.
Two weeks later, on June 30, she noticed a small Piper Cub
aircraft that seems to precede the UFO sightings.  An hour later
at 8:10 PM, she saw a large UFO moving at 60 mph at only 200 feet
in altitude.  The object appeared to be the same as the first
with the pulsing red lights at each end and two white lights in
the back.  This time she was able to take four photographs of the
object.
The photographs appear to be very long exposures as the lights
move over Lake Ida.  The photos are being analyzed by Jeff Saino.
 They show several well- separated lights moving fairly
erratically around the night sky.  The lights appear to move in
exact tandem implying that they are on a fixed wing or fuselage.
However, the photos do not reveal a structure of any kind even
though there is a dim outline of trees.  Thanks to Mary Margaret
Zimmer

MICHIGAN

Alex Cavallari writes about his recent five day trip to film
Rods, Orbs and a high speed saucer shaped UFOs.  On July 13,
1998, on a sunny and clear day with the temperature in the low
90s he noticed flashes over Lake Michigan from the corner of his
eye.  Above the coast line he noticed a bright form of light.
Alex states, "I immediately knew it was an Orb, the color,
intensity and their look is very unique.  This was the Standard
White Orb.  This Orb was seen darting about in angular turns,
with instant starting and stopping.  It also just appears and
disappears while hovering in position for two minutes.
In one of the Orb pictures I was fortunate enough to capture what
appears to be a "Rod" traveling across my field of view.  The
"Rod" appears as the dark streak in the picture.  It=92s possible
this is a very high speed saucer.  My experience has taught me
that, a Rod and a high speed saucer can both appear as a blur of
darkness with a tapered front and back area." Tuesday we visited
East Grand Traverse City Bay and took up a position directly in
front of the bay waterway.  After about thirty minutes we noticed
flashes and streaks of white light coming from above the tree
line to the west.  We took some pictures of a few small Orbs
hovering in the distance that suddenly vanished.  About 60
minutes later, I moved to a shady picnic table and noticed a big
amber colored Orb appear almost directly in the middle of the bay
about a mile away.  The Orb was about 4 inches above the water
line and about 1/4 inch in diameter when viewed at arm=92s length.
The Orbs appearance changed to very bright white just before it
vanished.  We watched this hovering Orb for ten minutes when
gained altitude going straight up.
On Wednesday the temperature was 85 to 90F., dew point about 50
to 60%.  We traveled to the Torch Lake area and noticed a dark
form flying around for ten minutes.  It appeared to be just a
streak or blur of darkness passing very quickly in my field of
view.  We stopped the car on the side of the road and I got out
and started to look around the sky.  I said, "There is a super
high speed saucer flying around.  After five minutes, we agreed
we thought we saw a dark colored saucer flying around.  I started
to view the sky through the cameras viewfinder and after a few
minutes I saw the saucer hovering and I tried to take some
pictures.  After the first picture the saucer took off and was
gone in less then a second.  The enhanced images clearly show an
object which is saucer shaped." Thursday, low level cloud
formations moved in with a slight breeze.  We had no plan for
today so we just started driving around looking for clear sky.
While we were driving, I noticed an Orb appear directly in front
of the car.  We pulled the car over near a road sign.  I got both
the sign and Orb in the picture.  The "Standard White Orb"
hovered and appeared to be much brighter than any thing around.
The Orb was about 1/8 inch in diameter when viewed at arm=92s
length, and had a slight gleam around the perimeter.  I looked
over towards the power lines and noticed a group of white Orbs
hovering under the cloud formation.  They appeared to range in
size from about 1/16  to 1/8 inch in diameter when viewed at
arm=92s length.  I do believe there is some form of intelligence
which is in control of these UFOs that is an "Electrical Plasma
Lifeform," and not an Extraterrestrial.  On Friday, July 17,
1998, the temperature cooled in Detroit, to the mid 70s where I
boarded my plane for home.  I was able to get a window seat.  We
were flying at about 30,000 feet when I saw some streaks of light
near the horizon.  I aimed the camera and saw a big white Orb
pacing along side.  It was the brightest thing in the sky moving
up down, circular movements at various speeds, zigzagging, but
holding its general position in my field of view.  After twenty
seconds the Orb disappeared in a blur of white light.  I believe
this is the first time in history that Orb=92s were filmed at
30,000 feet.  These pictures are of great importance to UFO
researchers and scientists.  The orbs were about 1/8 inch when
viewed at arm=92s length.  The passenger sitting next to me also
witnessed these orbs.  Thanks to Alex Cavallari, NY Director of
Skywatch.

WASHINGTON:

Redmond: Kenney Brandon Blackwell reports that on  August 1,
1998, at 8:43 AM he observed a  green glow like the shape of stop
sign.  The object had about 50 or so lights around the outer
edge. His phone is 425-558-1140, 18100 NE 95th Apt. AA2004.

CANADA

Beamsville, Ontario  Andrew Davies reports that he saw two
glowing lights in sky over Meadowood Forest on August 8, 1998,
between 9:30 and 10:00 PM.  It looked like a flying school bus.
"I was with my friend Devon and we both took a look and bolted on
our bikes.  I looked back after about thirty meters and it wasn't
there.  So I stopped and looked around, it was now south of my
original position.  I still don=92t know what it could have been."
Thanks to Andrew Davies at St. Volodymyr Cres.   Beamsville, ON
Canada, L0R 1B5

Calgary, Alberta: On August 16, 1998, A witness saw what he first
thought was a satellite moving in a SSW TO NNE direction at a
very high altitude.  After watching for ten seconds the object
made a 90 degree turn to the right without slowing or banking at
an amazingly fast movement.  It made three more turns in the same
fashion and then I lost it behind a cloud.  There is no logical
explanation for anything that can move that fast and turn so
quick.

 UNITED KINGDOM

Tooting, South London: Paul Hutchison reports that on August 8,
1998, five white lights were observed at a very high altitude
flying in a V formation at 1930 hours.  Two other white lights
were seen flying towards them, slowing down, stopping and
changing direction.  They then disappeared.  The sighting was
witnessed by five people. 0181 715 3661,62 Surrey Grove Sutton,
Surrey SM 3PN, England.

UK CROP CIRCLES

The Independent (London, UK) On August 8, 1998, reports: Corn
Detectives Flock to the Great Who Dunnit of Summer By: Duff
Hart-Davis.  The fine weather may have sent thousands of holiday
makers rushing to the coast, but it has also touched off a
serious outbreak of crop-circle fever in the cornfields of
Wiltshire and Hampshire.  All day, every day, people are trekking
out along the tramlines made by tractor wheels to inspect
formations in standing wheat; at night they are sitting out on
headlands, looking for peculiar lights in the sky.  In every
hostelry, rumors of new formations proliferate, and whenever a
car pulls in to the side of a road other motorists draw up behind
it to see what is happening.  One new formation in a wheat field
at Manor Farm, near Lockeridge in Wiltshire, drew a typical
crowd.  A complex of interlocking circles several hundred feet
across, the shape appeared during Wednesday night.  By Thursday
lunch-time, there were a dozen vehicles parked at the bottom
corner of the field, and a boy holding a makeshift notice in
green ink was exacting =A31 from every visitor.  When I arrived, a
woman was sitting near the centre wielding two L-shaped copper
rods.  An American seemed impressed rather than annoyed by the
fact that his camera had twice refused to work (malfunctioning of
electrical and mechanical equipment is common inside new
formations).  Andreas Mueller, a researcher from Germany, was
taking measurements.  On the question of whether the formation
was natural or the work of fakers, Mr. Mueller remained reserved.
 "In Germany we've had 22 formations so far this year," he said,
"and I'm quite sure that three were man-made, maybe more.  In
this one, what's surprising is that the corn is laid in several
different directions.  It wasn't just that somebody walked it
down, all one way."  Equally cautious was the indefatigable
English researcher Lucy Pringle.  "Unless I'm first into a new
formation, and see exactly how the crop has gone over, I find it
very difficult to tell whether it's real or fake," she said.  But
already this year she has photographed over 50 formations from
the air and investigated 15 on the ground.  In her view, the
season has been "a terrifically busy one".

It began early, on the night of 19 April, when a double circle
appeared in oilseed rape right under the approach to Thruxton
airfield, in Hampshire.  The next manifestation, a couple of days
later, also in oilseed rape, was close to the prehistoric mound
of Silbury Hill -- a double ring more than 200ft across, with 33
scroll-like bands between the rings.  She likens it to a Beltane
wheel - an ancient symbol used at Celtic festivals in May - and
points out that, whatever produced it, the hard stalks of oilseed
rape are exceedingly difficult to bend into accurate and
attractive geometrical patterns.  MS Pringle readily accepts that
skilled fakers are at work, but after 10 years' research she
remains convinced that many formations are the product of natural
causes, probably the discharge of electromagnetic energy.

"We know that they appear suddenly, in from four to seven
seconds, and that they can have powerful effects on people,
sometimes beneficial, sometimes harmful."  She is annoyed that in
July the BBC set out "to rubbish the whole phenomenon" by showing
how easy it is to produce fakes, and hiring practiced hoaxers to
construct a complex of circles on Milk Hill, near Alton Barnes.
"It may look all right on the film," she said.  "But as soon as
you went into it on the ground, you could see it was a chaotic
mess."  Crop Circles: The Theories In order of increasing
likelihood, there are three principal theories to explain crop
circles.  The first is extraterrestrial visitors; the second,
natural phenomena such as unusual forms of lightning; and the
third is humans armed with some string and a plank or garden
roller.

William Levengood, a retired biologist from the University of
Michigan, reckons that unstable vortices of ions in the
ionosphere descend to the ground and cause a discharge which
heats the corn -- swelling the nodes on the stems (as is
sometimes observed) - as it whirls it round and lays it flat.
Nobody has ever observed it, but nature is capable of strange
things.  Another weather theory suggests micro-tornadoes, as a
cause but this does not explain the huge number of circles, nor
the fact that their number has grown and fallen in line with
media coverage.  There is some evidence the crops may be
genetically improved after being hit.


Lincs, England: The Grimsby Evening Telegraph  August 5,  1998
Flying Saucers Sighted At Scartho. Note: Scartho is a southern
suburb of this east coast town and located around 140 miles north
of London.  A UFO has been spotted over Scartho fork, according
to a resident.  The vast glowing disc hovered over the roundabout
and then sped upwards, said the Springfield Road resident.  He
added that he had seen the object a total of five times.  "The
saucers zip up and down at unbelievable speeds," he said.  "The
first time I saw the UFO, I was frightened.  The disc gave off a
warm red glow and then turned green," he added.  "The disc spun
off in to the night sky, moving this way and that in an
apparently random way.  Who knows where it was going," he said.
One week later, the disc returned on a moonlit night, he added.
''It was definitely the same disc and emitted the same colour
light.  He said, "It was hovering high up over the roundabout."
Thanks to Skywatch and Gerry Lovell / Far Shores
|http://www.farshore.force9.co.

BELGIUM:

Banon (La Provence): Lennart reports, "I'm a 14 year old
amateur-astronomer that was observing with the Aalst Astronomy
Club on July 25, 1998.  Suddenly, there were some objects with en
green lines visible in our telescopes in the constellation of
Sculptor.  These objects were also visible in the finderscopes.
They were slowly moving away.  Their structure was irregular
(something like aeroplane-gases).  Magnitude: about m7.0.
heaven-horizon.
They were about 10=B0 to 13=B0 long.  We saw four of them.  P.S.: I'm
not very interested in UFO's, but this was something strange."
Thanks to John Thompson and ISUR,: DARIN CHEV86@HOTMAIL.COM

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Brief one this morning: may send more later.  Switching over to AOL 4.0 did
not go smoothly for me: my Personal Filing Cabinet was about 200 mb, and it
had a tough time trying to transfer it.  I didn't lose anything, but I'm
running parallel versions of AOL right now.  One thing that means is that I
don't have easy access to last week's edition...

Times are generally Pacific.

TELEVISION

A&E
Sunday, August 23, 2:00 PM, THE UNEXPLAINED: UFO CULTS

THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
Saturday, August 22, 6:00 PM, AMERICA'S HAUNTED HOUSES
Sunday, August 23, 1:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S WORLD OF STRANGE POWERS: THINGS
THAT GO BUMP IN THE NIGHT (poltergeists)
Sunday, August 23, 1:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS WORLD: STRANGE
POWERS OF ANIMALS
Sunday, August 23, 2:00 PM, ANIMAL X: SUPERNATURAL CREATURES
Sunday, August 23, 2:30 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN (Thunderbirds)
Thursday, August 27, 9:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN (giant sloths)
Friday, August 28, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN (giant sloths)

SCI-FI CHANNEL
Still running SIGHTINGS re-runs, but it seems to have gotten even quirkier in
the schedule.  Generally twice a day, once in the morning, and once sometime
between 8 and 9 pm.

SYNDICATED
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              Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

From: Asgeir W=E6hre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:03 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:16:35 -0400
Subject: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


Taking Dr. Maccabee's analysis and assessments (dated 15 Nov
1997) a little bit further, and also utilising some of his
results, I have below listed some of the most likely
explanations to the unidentified "object" (UO) in question
(i.e., an "object" is our interpretation and what the picture
"makes us believe", i.e., make us believe this to be a physical,
rigid/solid, mechanical construction).

Below I have also drawn my own conclusion regarding the most
likely explanation to the UO in question. This was based on
today's knowledge and available information to the public.

The UO is thus proposed to be explained - more or less likely -
by some of the following descriptions (these descriptions -
numbered 1 through 7 - are not immediately ranked according to
their most possible explanation - that ranking comes later):

1.   A real flying disc, piloted (on board) by some
extraterrestrial personnel/species (ETs), of unknown origin
(OUO), and having unknown intentions.

2.   A real flying disc, remotely piloted by some
extraterrestrial personnel/species (ETs), of unknown origin
(OUO), and having unknown intentions.

3.   A real flying disc, but piloted (on board) by some
terrestrial personnel/species ("Ts"), of unknown origin (OUO),
and having unknown intentions.

4.   A real flying disc, but remotely piloted by some
terrestrial personnel/species ("Ts") (including e.g. suspension
from a helicopter, or a blimp, drawn/piloted by a plane or
helicopter - like the well known "advert strips", drawn by
planes), of unknown origin (OUO), and having unknown intentions.

5.   David Copperfield-types of illusions, or mass hypnosis, or
other kinds of brain manipulations (through TV, radio, or other
equipment), and possibly associated "conspiracies", involving a
few or many external personnel - and having unknown intentions.

6.   An ordinary, and/or manipulated, video film production, and
associated "conspiracies", involving a few or many external
personnel - and having unknown intentions.

7.   Holographic, or other types of projected images (could
explain the rapid and instantaneous disc acceleration) - and
having unknown intentions..


The "unknown intentions" of explanations 3 through 7, could be
explained by some (terrestrial) military or civilian activity,
e.g.:

A)   Regular flying, or prototype testing, of new types of
aircrafts, involving e.g. new and secret technology - i.e., not
yet known to the public, due to some companies', institutions',
etc., fear of "industrial espionage", or threat to countries'
internal security (the "secret" technology might though be some
sort of captured ET tech. - but check also:
http://www.skiesare.demon.co.uk/biebrn.htm ), or,

B)   Scientific research and measurements of volcanic or
ecliptical activity, air pollution, etc., or,

C)   Research on the human body (e.g., psychological response),
or,

D)   A real hoax, and everything is "just for fun" ("Doug &
Dave"-types of fun), to draw personal attention and become
"famous", and/or just for the possibility to make money


The fact today is that we lack "hard evidence" (through info.
which is not yet known to the public, and has not yet been
officially released through the international and recognised
press bureaus) posssibly originating from ET worlds, i.e., hard
evidence including mechanical, solid artifacts have never been
(or, are known to be) found, neither ET living beings themselves
are yet discovered, or alternatively, some credible biological
or astronomical data (incl. radio signals), or some other
indications or indirect evidence of extraterrestrial life forms.
The "only" evidences so far are witnesses and (more or less
blurred and fuzzy) photos.

In my opinion, all sorts of conspiracy and cover-up theories
also seem more or less schizophrenic and psychotic.

But, however, I do have in mind this possibility, i.e., check
here: http://forums.msn.com/astronomy/misc.TechCivb.htm

Bearing in mind that we must not forget that extraordinary
claims require extraordinary evidence (ref. web site referred to
above), and using Occam's Razor as well, and also that we - in
my opinion - have to face today's fact/reality (and not being
too romantic?), I (personally) tend to believe that explanation
3 or 4 (but not a blimp; rather a mechanical disc., with an
unknown propulsion system), remotely piloted by terrestrial
personnel (and not really "species"), and with intentions A
and/or B, is the most likely explanation to the UO, or disc, in
question, and this is based on today's knowledge and available
information to the public. (The intentions of explanation 1 and
2 could - for all we know - also be A, B, C and/or D!) Witnesses
on the ground might, e.g., have been suffering from psychosomatc
pains, due to their experience with the unknown and frightening
phenomenon, or even exposed to exhaust particles and radiation
from the propulsion system. The point is that, similar
propulsion systems and disc-shaped objects might very well have
been developed both yesterday and today, by the military or
civilians. Disc-shaped aircrafts have also been developed,
tested and probably used for many years now, but the propulsion
system in earlier days was, usually, liquid fuel driven fan(s);
please also check: http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/realsauc.htm!

For the third most likely explanation I will choose both of the
explanations #4 and 6, both with intention D, and thus consider
it to be an ordinary and arranged video production, and/or a
clever video tape manipulation, involving possibly some
sophisticated computers and programs, and therefore it will be a
real hoax. This might be supported by the fact that, at least,
one of the persons were familiar with the word "disc", and that
it is somewhat unusual that they - purely by chance - were
carrying/keeping a video recorder at work, and that a person was
directed to copyright the footage, which has been registred
under international copyright laws. Further, nothing is
mentioned about his profession.

(I will rank explanations 1 or 2 as the 6th or 7th "most likely"
explanation to the UO, and thus they are ranked as the least
likely explanations among the 7 proposed ones - according to my
personal judgment.)

However, the research into the field of UOs (UFOs) must
continue, to get more and more information, and to reach a
conclusion which is as accurate as possible - and hopefully,
finding sometime in the future an explanation which is exactly
100 % correct.

(Hopefully, my personal belief is completely wrong, and
explanation #1 or 2 will be the correct explanation to the UO in
question.)

I must mention that I have never experienced any UFO-related
phenomena to date, but I realise that such phenomena take place
pretty often in Hessdalen, Norway; click for the latest,
automatically recorded observations here:

http://indy.hiof.no/~hessdalen/ams/index.shtml.

Unfortunately - but as expected, and as usual - most of the
"objects" in these pictures are fairly blurred and fuzzy. (Note:
The fly-looking specie observed on one of the pictures is though
sharp enough, and is most likely a "T"!)

Maybe I'll travel up there myself, be somewhat patient, watch
with my own eyes, and maybe gradually become more convinced
regarding the real existence of - at least some of - these
UFO-related phenomena.


Hope you find my comments interesting.


Regards

AWS
Safety and Reliability Engineer








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              Alien Implant Removals - Before and After Effects

From: Patricia Mason <pmason@ee.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:18:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:31:47 -0400
Subject: Alien Implant Removals - Before and After Effects


Hi,

I'd like to announce a new section I've added to my web site on
the research of Eve Frances Lorgen. Please visit
<http://users1.ee.net/pmason/el.html>. I've included an article
here from the site. Other articles by Eve cover reverse speech,
fluorescent markings found on abductees and lucid dreaming.

Pat

----------------------------------------------------------------


Alien Implant Removals:
Five Abductees Discuss Before and After Effects
by Eve Frances Lorgen, M. A.


Several years after the surgical removal of their alleged alien
implants, five individuals courageously accepted to take part in
an interview to discuss their "before and after effects". All
persons, one male and four females, shared one thing in common:
UFO encounters and contact with non-human alien beings.

Dr. Roger Leir, a podiatrist from Thousand Oaks, California,
founder of FIRST (Fund for Interactive Research and Space
Technology) and Derrel Sims, C.Ht., R.H.A., a certified
hypnotherapist , co-founder of FIRST and experienced UFO
Investigator of over 27 year, orchestrated the successful
surgeries with a team of competent medical professionals and
volunteers. The first set of "implant" surgeries took place on
August 19, 1995 at Dr. Roger Leir's podiatry clinic in Thousand
Oaks, California.

Pat Parrinellio, a 47 year old male from Houston, Texas, and
Mary Jones (a pseudonym) 52, also from Texas, had the anomalous
objects appear in X- rays, although both UFO experiencers had no
record of previous surgeries. Both individuals were investigated
by Derrel Sims of HUFON (Chief Investigator for Houston UFO
Network) and referred to Dr. Roger Leir for surgery, based on
their past UFO encounters and X-rays which confirmed the
anomalous objects. Pat's object was removed from the back of his
left hand, and Mary's objects excised from her left big toe. All
services were performed free of charge.

The alleged implants removed from the first set of surgeries
were studied by two different pathologists, and then sent to
various independent laboratories for extensive scientific
analysis. The tests performed on these alleged alien implants
were: a pathology/tissue evaluation, laser induced breakdown
spectroscopy (LIBS), extensive metallurgical testing involving a
density immersion test, X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy,
scanning electron microscopy, X-ray diffraction pattern analysis
and electron/magnetic and fluorescence property analysis.
Isotopic range tests are also in progress. Tests were conducted
by the National Institute of Discovery of Science (NIDS), New
Mexico Tech, and other independent sources.

But that is not all. While these unusual objects were being
evaluated for scientific study, another set of implant surgeries
took place on May 18, 1996. Two women from this second set of
surgeries came forward for this interview and follow up study.
Dorothy O'Hara, a 61 year old female from Palm Springs,
California, and Alice Leavy , 40, from Newberry Park,
California, each had similar objects removed from their left
lower leg. Another woman, Licia Davidson, 37, who has had
numerous UFO and alien encounters, had a rare, crystalline-like
object removed from her foot in January of 1997.

Findings

"The findings of these implant surgeries are highly unusual,"
reported Dr. Leir. "In all these cases, there was virtually no
inflammatory response." This is not the usual finding in foreign
tissue reactions. Normally, foreign bodies embedded in tissues
result in some type of acute or chronic inflammatory response,
and may include fibrosis and cyst formation. Such was not the
case here. The pathology reports of the first two surgeries
revealed that the metallic objects were encased in a very dense,
tough, grey membrane consisting of proteinaceous coagulum,
hemoseridin and pure keratin. More simply, blood protein and
skin cells that are usually found in the superficial layer of
the skin. The tough, biological "cocoons" encasing the implants
were also found to contain nerve proprioceptors - nerve and
pressure cells of the wrong tissue type for that part of the
body. These implant cocoons also fluoresced a bright green color
in the presence of an ultraviolet light source.

The implants from the two women from the second set of surgeries
did not exhibit metallic properties like the implants from the
first set of surgeries. In fact, the spheroid, whitish objects
did not contain the tough, biological outer jackets, or
fluoresce from a UV light source. These types of implants
(possibly biological) also lacked the expected inflammatory
response, according to the pathology reports. The
crystalline-like object excised from the foot in the most recent
surgery, also lacked the tough, grey, outer membrane and had
virtually no inflammatory response, as in the other implant
surgeries. Test results from the first set of implants revealed
that the lammelar, needle shaped metallic objects in question
are basically meteoric in origin, containing at least eleven
different elements.

In an interview with Alien Encounters Magazine, (July 1997
issue, United Kingdom) Derrel Sims commented on the uncommon,
non-rejecting human response to the implants: "It seems that the
dense fibrous membrane may have been the person's own surface
skin. If this is the case, it appears that the metallic objects
are wrapped in a sheath of keratinaceous material (surface
skin). Nerve fibers then surround the tissue and appear to be
attached to larger nerves. The fact that both persons (from the
first set of surgeries) objected verbally and physically could
be an indication of this (nervous system) connection." Mr. Sims
believes the indications are very strong that these implants are
extraterrestrial in origin. "But", Mr. Sims concedes, "Whatever
the scientists say who have examined the objects say, is what we
will say." Derrel Sims has stated that a scientific peer review
of all tests must be done before more specifics can be released.
This is the standard course of action taken in any scientific
endeavor.

Scientific evaluation is our best ally, but the experiences and
opinions of the courageous individuals involved in these implant
surgeries are equally important. A series of simple questions
were posed to each of the participants. When asked as to how and
when their implants might have been inserted, Pat Parrinellio
from Houston, Texas believed his implant could have been
inserted during a UFO encounter he had in 1954, at six years of
age . Mary Jones recalls two UFO encounters when her metallic
objects could have been implanted, in 1969. "In the first
frightening UFO encounter", Mary commented, "I was on a camping
trip with my family while pregnant with my third child." Oddly
enough, one month after Mary's child was born, she had another
alien encounter while at home during the night. Conversely,
Dorothy O'Hara from Palm Springs, California and Licia Davidson
from Sierra Madre California both replied, "I have no idea when
the object was inserted." Alice Leavy commented that she first
noticed the lump on her leg following a UFO encounter involving
other witnesses in San Diego, in 1993. "I actually noticed the
lump" Alice clarified, "when I discovered the scoop mark also on
my left leg, after the UFO encounter."

If the alien "abductors" are responsible for implanting objects
in the bodies of their abductees, then are the aliens cognizant
of the fact that the implants have been removed? So the next
question was posed, "Did you experience any UFO sightings, alien
abductions, odd dreams, missing time or paranormal events just
prior to, or after the implant surgery? (within a month)" Pat
Parinellio revealed, "Yes, an unusual set of events took place
with another witness involving an orange glowing UFO one evening
about a week before the surgery. After the surgery, I noticed
that my psychic abilities seemed to decrease."

Dorothy replied, "About a week before the surgery I had a
dream-like, abduction experience involving many other people in
a large locker room type facility, waiting in line for what
seemed to be a shot in the backs of our necks. Also, right
before an appointment to meet one of Derrel Sims' associates for
an interview (regarding the implant surgery), I and another
women had a strange experience. It was like getting stuck in a
time warp. I ended up being very late for the appointment. And
then, late one evening after I returned from the surgery, I had
an alien encounter, that I couldn't clearly recall."

Both Licia and Alice did not recall any unusual events soon
before or after the implant surgery. Mary experienced a rare,
pain and swelling in her toe and foot about a week before the
surgery. "At that time", Mary revealed, "I knew exactly where
the objects were in my foot, I could feel them." Prior to that,
Mary had no pain or sensations of that kind in her toe. "What
was really strange," Mary admitted, "was that the moment I
stepped out of the car to meet Derrel Sims just prior to the
surgery, my pain stopped."

The real question one may wonder about is: Now that the implants
have been removed, will the aliens continue to come back and
abduct the abductees? All individuals except Mary Jones were
able to answer with a resounding, "Yes". Alice elaborated on an
abduction she had two months after the implant surgery, "I
retired to bed early due to a headache. My husband awoke at 1:00
am because the whole bedroom lit up like daylight. He looked at
the clock, reached over to touch me and found that I was gone.
Paradoxically, my husband quickly went back to sleep. The next
day I felt very ill. I don't recall anything during the night,
but I noticed the next day that my dog had nervously clawed
several areas in the house, as if he were trying to escape
something frightening."

As to changes in health, mood, dreams or psychic phenomena after
the surgery, all five agreed as to some type of change. Mary
Jones simply stated that she felt a sense of peace after her
objects were removed. Dorothy commented, "I felt a tremendous
sense of relief after the surgery." Licia remarked, "Yes, I had
a dramatic and immediate mood lift after the object was removed
from my foot. I also stopped having the pain and the weird,
watery sensation surrounding my foot."

The most striking changes were noted by Dorothy. " I had a
severe diuretic effect and lost much water weight a week
following the surgery. Then my health progressively worsened and
I developed angina and edema. This heart problem was a recurring
complication from a previous illness I had in my late twenties.
I also experienced extreme fatigue, and could not concentrate.
The illness lasted about a month, after which my energy and
health returned with more vigor. My creativity and mental
clarity improved remarkably. ( I am a writer) I had a startling
improvement in my memory where I was able to recall a previous
alien abduction experience from 1991. In other words, it was the
first time I was able to pierce through a screen memory from an
abduction, although it took me three days to process the memory.
It was difficult mentally and emotionally. In hindsight, after
the implant surgery and recovery from illness, I felt
detoxified." Pat, on the other hand, noticed a more subjective
change and simply stated, "Yes, a part of me which remains
hidden has undergone quite a few changes of paradigms."

Alice and Dorothy shared a common symptom several months after
their surgeries. Alice remarked, "About eight months afterwards,
I had shooting pains in my left leg and noticed the implant scar
turned bright red and hurt, and lasted for about a week. Also,
around that same time period I had a strong, precognitive vision
that later came true in exact detail." Dorothy added, "Yes, I
also noticed a strange reaction in my leg and implant scar about
six months after the surgery. I felt shooting pains in my left
leg, especially at the implant site. The incision scar turned
bright red for about a month."

Could these changes in each of the individuals interviewed alter
their views of the UFO phenomena after the fact? Pat admitted he
was basically in denial about the UFO abduction phenomena
previous to the surgery. "And yet," Pat st ated, "it seems like
the more one becomes aware of the fact, the more I realize that
I don't know anything. But I do sense that something is
accelerating." Dorothy concurred with Pat in that she formerly
believed the UFO phenomena was all nonsense. Afterwards Dorothy
realized, "I have been able to work through many issues in my
life, now that I am no longer in denial. Now I have a more
practical and spiritual approach to life, and am more concerned
with helping others in a practical sense, not promoting some New
Age or metaphysical philosophy." Mary also admitted she had no
interest or knowledge of the UFO abduction phenomena previously.

"Even now," Mary added, " I have no real interest in the UFO
topic, yet cannot deny there is something to it." Both Licia and
Alice had a good knowledge and belief in the UFO abduction
field. Licia stated that her views have not really changed. "The
best way I can describe it," Licia explained, "is that I have
had a real powerful, extreme source of the highest of highs and
the lowest of lows." Alice admitted, "Previously, I felt the
aliens were possibly evil. Now, after the surgery and as life
and my abductions continue, I think the aliens just have a job
to do. It's not a good job. I think they are just following
orders."

So, is the UFO community at large telling the whole truth about
what really happens to abductees? Pat says, "Truth is
subjective. I know there are a few researchers who are holding
to the narrow line of finding out what is going on." Alice
agreed that for the most part, the abduction researchers are
reporting things as they are experienced, but for one small
exception. Some top researchers are not mentioning the apparent
military involvement . Licia concurred with Alice, "Top
researchers are touching on the major issues, but in my opinion,
do not want to get involved in the government end of it."
Dorothy forthrightly stated, "Many people in the UFO community
have their head in the clouds and believe in an overly
benevolent, fanciful spiritual philosophy. There is not enough
critical analysis. I have learned more from one on one
conversations with other abductees than from the public lecture
circuit." As to the US government covering up UFO facts from the
general public, all individuals agreed. Alice concluded, "Yes,
especially the Roswell, New Mexico UFO incident of 1947.

Most of the implantees described noteworthy mental, psychic or
health related changes following their implant surgeries. Four
of them reported a continuation of some type of alien abduction
activity. The two women who had the "biological" type implants
removed, experienced strikingly similar post surgical changes,
involving shooting pains and reddening of the incision scar for
a short period of time.

The important thing to consider here, is the whole clinical
picture. Over reliance on the physical test results of the
implants alone are not substantial enough to solve the implant
mystery - let alone the question of the alien presence. If not,
then what is? The lives and experiences of the abductees
themselves, tell us that we need to stop and listen. The answer
lies somewhere in between science and the hearts of the people.

=A9 1998 Eve Frances Lorgen <LORGEN@aol.com>




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                           Admiral Bobby Ray Inman

From: Kirk W. Fraser <kirk@clatskanie.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:54:23 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:47:24 -0400
Subject: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman

Hi,

In the 1997 Fox Special on UFO's it was mentioned that Ret.
Admiral Bobby Ray Inman now works for a company in southern
California which does R&D on Gravity Propulsion.  Do you recall
(or can you find out) what the company is named and where it is?
I figure if we are going to have real space flight we must
develop technology better than rocketry and that's the only place
I've heard of that such R&D is happening so I'd like to learn
more.

Thanks,
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                      Strange Craft In Ripley, Illinois

From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:36:16 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:36:16 -0400
Subject: Strange Craft In Ripley, Illinois

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
To: updates@globalserve.net
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:13:50 +0200
Subject: Strange Craft In Ripley, Illinois


Source: WGEM, a radio and TV station in Quincy, Illinois, via
MSNBC's site

http://www.msnbc.com/local/WGEM/18470.asp

Stig

*******

Strange lights in the sky
by Lisa Bertin

Thursday was a calm, clear night in Ripley, Illinois. Members of
the Bowman family were working late outside, and talking with
some neighbors when all of a sudden strange lights appeared in
the sky.

"I saw two lights in the sky, quite a way apart," said Patrick
Bowman, describing the lights and their movements. "They went
out and moved over behind the trees, no more than a second or
two. They came on, then disappeared again to the right behind
another tree. When they came back on they were
three-dimensional, like a three-winged craft with lights at the
bottom. The lights went on in sequence, then they went back off
in sequence, and shot up through the top wing. That�s all I saw,
then it was gone."

"It wasn�t anything from here. It made me nervous...I stayed up
till 5 o�clock this morning," added Tilford Bowman.

The residents in Ripley say they saw the UFO just after 10
o�clock Thursday night. The object also was spotted in other
areas of Illinois: in Rushville, Mt. Sterling, and Pittsfield.

An Illinois State Trooper who wished not to be identified, also
saw the strange lights just west of Mt. Sterling around 12:20
a.m. He declined to comment other than to say he saw them.

So what would you do if you thought you were looking at a UFO?
Tilford Bowman says he thought about hiding when he saw the
lights.

"It was one of the neatest things I�ve ever seen," said resident
Becky Spoon. "I�ve never seen anything quite like that."

The Illinois State Police contacted the Federal Aviation
Administration, who said the strange lights may have been a
meteor shower. They said they would take a further look at the
situation, but so far they haven�t contacted any local officials
with an explanation.

Ripley residents also wonder, when is the last time you saw a
meteor shoot straight up?


Tune in to WGEM for the tri-states� best news at 5pm, 6pm, 10pm,
and 2am.

Updated August 21, 1998, 9:00 p.m.





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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:01:32 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:39:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>From: Asgeir W=E6hre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:03 +0100
>Subject: Comments on Bruce Maccabee's Video Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>Taking Dr. Maccabee's analysis and assessments (dated 15 Nov
>1997) a little bit further, and also utilising some of his
>results, I have below listed some of the most likely
>explanations to the unidentified "object" (UO) in question
>(i.e., an "object" is our interpretation and what the picture
>"makes us believe", i.e., make us believe this to be a physical,
>rigid/solid, mechanical construction).

<text deleted>

Bruce Maccabee has worked with other researchers to investigate
this a bit further since the November article appeared, and they
have determined that the Mexico City video is flawed, and
apparently is computer generated. This was recently published in
a report which indicated that there is a small amount of
blurring that occurs because of the camera movement, and that
blurring is not evident on the "craft". That would indicate
that the "craft" was able to move up and down with the camera as
it jiggled, or it was inserted later. I think that it's also
significant that the video was shot at an extremely high shutter
speed to minimize the "blurring" effect.

There are supposed witnesses to this event, but none came
forward before it was shown on Mexican television, and one would
suspect that an unknown craft of this type would have generated
a lot of interest if it flew close to the ground over one of the
world's most populated cities.

Steve







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                           Re: Friedman Lectures?

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:09:06 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:42:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Friedman Lectures?

> From: "Sharon Kardol" <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
> To: <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Friedman Lecture
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:50 +0800

> G'day,

> Just curious if anyone knows if Mr Friedman
> will be appearing in Perth, West Aust. at all
> during his tour?

> There's comfort in the classics.

> Shaz.

> sharon@hotmix.com.au


Stan's schedule can be seen at :
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/sfschedl.html








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                         UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo

From: Bill Oliver" <boliver@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:55:17 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:34:45 -0400
Subject: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo

We have just posted a remarkable photo and report from the
Yukon. these are some of the most interesting photos I have seen
yet.

Your feedback is welcome.

Take the time to read the report thoroughly and have a look at
the many different blow-ups in the article.

Check it out at:

http://www.ufobc.org or http:www.sightings.com







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             Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:46:18 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:20:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos

Roswell Photo Interpretation Team (RPIT) analysts continue to
provide more interim reports on their fascinating discoveries of
mysterious symbols and other anomalous objects discovered in four
of the photos taken of the principals of the Roswell "Flying
Saucer" Event of 1947, as posed in the Eighth Air Force
Headquarters of General Roger Ramey, commander. The most recent
reports from RPIT analyst Marilyn J. Ruben headed "World News"
can be located through the main Link Page of:

James Bond Johnson

http://www.ufomind.com/people/j/johnsonj/







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                           Cheyenne Turner Passes

From: InfoBuds InfoCentral <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:37:39 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:54:05 -0400
Subject: Cheyenne Turner Passes


SPECIAL BULLETIN

A New Bright Star Shines Above Us


Many of you on this list are aware of the Eclectic Viewpoint, a
Dallas, Texas organization dedicated to bringing speakers on
various enthralling subjects to the general public. Over the
years many of you have attended these lectures, or have bought
books and video tapes through the Eclectic Viewpoint. Those
regulars that attended these meetings realized, though, that
these gatherings were much more than mere speakers and book-
signings. For there was a person there that gave the meetings a
special spark, and turned them into very personal, warmly
rewarding affairs. That person was Cheyenne Turner, the founder
and director of the Eclectic Viewpoint.

It is my sad duty to inform you that Cheyenne Turner passed away
at 4:48 a.m., on Monday morning, August 24, 1998. Cheyenne had
been battling cancer for quite some time, but approximately a
month ago it was determined that the cancer had entered her
bones and lungs. Her closest friends have remained vigilant at
her side in these last few days, tending to her needs at a
hospital in Plano, Texas. I need to mention that I am extremely
grateful to Dan York of lyghtforce.com and Jerry Decker of
keelynet.com for keeping those of us who loved Cheyenne so much
informed on her condition in the end.

Cheyenne Turner, a former research biologist, was the director
of the Dallas chapter of MUFON in the 1980s, then went on to
found the highly recognized and respected Eclectic Viewpoint
organization. People have traveled from all parts of the globe
to attend presentations of the Eclectic Viewpoint, and it was
truly a melting pot of diverse personalities and perspectives.
Friendships and networking groups that will last a lifetime have
been forged at these very special gatherings.

To quote Jerry Decker: "Cheyenne has been a major fountain of
inspiration and source of information with her Eclectic
Viewpoint activities. She is a major light on the scene, and has
begun many careers and opened many peoples� eyes to things most
never become aware of." I can but echo these thoughts. I feel a
great sense of honor in having known Cheyenne, and considering
her my friend.

What will become of the Eclectic Viewpoint is unknown at this
time, and, quite frankly, the least of our concerns. Someone may
pick up the torch and carry it, but no one will be able to fill
those small shoes of Cheyenne�s that walked with such big
strides. For she was the driving force that transported us all
to higher levels of thought. Further, her bright sense of humor
and merry outlook was a model for life that ingratiated her to
those of us who were fortunate enough to have interacted with
her in personal settings.

If I may quote a couple of paragraphs from the personal note
that I wrote to her hours before her passing, it may sum up my
feelings about Cheyenne Turner: "Through the ensuing years, I
have marveled at you. I have never met a person, before you,
that has had the energy and resolve to accomplish what you have.
I have come to consider you a great friend, and I adore you in a
way that few can understand. For you, whether you realize it or
not, are my mentor in so many things that have to do with arcane
knowledge and deeper thinking. You truly did change my life, in
a most profound way. Through you I have met people that I would
never have even dreamed of meeting, I have learned things that I
would likely not have had the opportunity to learn, and it has
enriched my life tenfold. Because of you and the things that you
brought into my life, I have realized a more complete level of
existence.

"Cheyenne, I can only hope that you and I will meet again, and
that you will be there to guide me into deeper understanding and
enlightenment, as you have in this lifetime. For I will follow
you, as a student follows a teacher, if I can. Whether it is in
another life, or on that unclear �Other Side,� I will seek you
out. I know you won�t be hard to find, for your light shines
brighter and sharper than any other I have ever seen."

Jerry and Dan said that Cheyenne passed on quietly in her sleep,
without experiencing any of the intense pain that had precluded
that time. I am thankful that Cheyenne had them and some of her
other dear friends nearby in the end... For her friends were the
world to her.

A memorial service is being planned for Cheyenne, to be followed
by a wake for her closest friends. But I, personally, will be
looking for a new bright star somewhere overhead. For her
brilliance will surely shine on.

Glenn Joyner Dallas, Texas

"Whom the gods love dies young." -- Menander (342 - 291 B.C.)





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               P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: William E Jones <jonesw@BATTELLE.ORG>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:28:04 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:17:25 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:55:13 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Walt's woes
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

To All:

As someone who has been a member of MUFON since Adam and Eve
kissed under the apple tree, I share everyone's concerns about
MUFON. The same decline seems to be occurring at the state
level, at least in Ohio. Some of it has to do with the direction
from the top, but much I believe comes from a growing
disenchantment with the subject matter. It doesn't seem that we
are getting very far in understanding what UFOs are all about.
One could argue this is because true science hasn't paid enough
attention to the subject and that the "crazies" have become
dominant, but I don't think so. The "crazies" are becoming
dominant because objective UFO researchers haven't been able to
come up with much. All that we have left is endless speculation
based upon too little or perhaps too much data, most of it
questionable. I think many serious people have just given up.
They know all that there is to know, which isn't much, and they
are now refinding their life by doing other things that are more
important, i.e. getting into community service, family, moving
electric trains around a table, etc.

Getting back to MUFON. For those of you who have dropped out, I
would say this. The organization isn't perfect, but it is really
all that we have as far as a national organization is concerned.
It's better than nothing and, if you would all rejoin perhaps
you could help it turn around.

One of Walt's problems is that he needs a reasonably large
membership to pay for MUFON's activities. Many of the people who
provide the membership/subscription fees are not among the most
objective people in ufology. Many have interests and viewpoints
that most of us would not find acceptable. An organization must
cater to its members, so many of the articles in the Journal are
not what we would prefer. As a result, the good people have been
leaving and the organization goes even further downward. Are
there enough serious people in ufology to support a strong MUFON
organization? Frankly, I doubt it. Thus, Walt's problem is
trying to satisfy both sides. An impossible situation for him,
one with no long term solution.

I still encourage all of you who have dropped out of MUFON to
get back in and try to help it achieve its potential. If you
don't, MUFON is surely dead. If you do get back in and get
involved, MUFON may live and thrive into the new century. I wish
I had the answers for Walt, but I don't. Perhaps you do. We need
to give MUFON our best advice and hope for change.

Bill Jones
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                      More Crop Circles in Saskatchewan

From: Paul Anderson <psa@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:25:47 -0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:18:41 -0400
Subject: More Crop Circles in Saskatchewan


Circles Phenomenon Research Canada Update
August 20, 1998

Two More Crop Circle Reports from Saskatchewan
*Preliminary Report*

Two more circle reports from Saskatchewan were received
by CPR-Canada on August 19. Two sets of circles (in two
locations), total of nine circles. The two locations are about
two miles apart, and some distance from the *first reported
dumbell formation (August 16) at Esterhazy, Saskatchewan*.
So we now have three reports to date, total of nine circles
and one pictogram since August 9.

August 9
Conquest (near Dinsmore), Saskatchewan
Three circles close together. Two large, one small. In duram
wheat. Largest about 33 feet. One circle has short path or "tail".
Farmer reports that all were "beautifully made". Very tight twist
of crop in one circle. Another was pressed very hard to the
ground. Farmer very cooperative, agreeable to further
investigation, sampling.

August 18
Outlook, Saskatchewan
On Hutterite Colony land. About two miles from Conquest
site. Six circles, largest about 44 feet. Four are in straight line,
with two other "doughnut" rings. In duram wheat. Reportedly
has caused a lot of excitement among the colony members!

According to both farmer and reporters who were in the circles,
no tracks, damage, disturbed stones in soil or other obvious signs
of human involvement were found.

Further details and updates when available.

Please see the CPR-Canada web site (URL below) for more
information, updates, photos and diagrams.

For further information or correspondence, contact:


Paul Anderson

Director
CIRCLES PHENOMENON RESEARCH CANADA
Affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International

Director
MILLENNIUM RESEARCH INSTITUTE

Representative
BLT RESEARCH, INC.

Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue, Vancouver, BC  V6J 1J4
Tel / Fax:  604.731.8522
E-Mail:  psa@direct.ca

CPR-Canada Web:  www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3310
MRI Web:  mypage.direct.ca/p/psa/








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                Triangle Observed By Locals & Police in Chile

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 02:16:56 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:16:17 -0400
Subject: Triangle Observed By Locals & Police in Chile

Source: alt.alien.visitors

Stig

*******

Newsgroup: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: From Chile - 400 meters triangular UFO (fwd)
From: Danny Cox <dcox@bc.seflin.org>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:25:19 -0400 (EDT)


-----Original Message-----
From: Luis C. Sanchez Perry
[mailto:lsanchez@chilesat.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 11:16 PM
To: Skywatch International, Inc.
Subject: From Chile - 400 meters triangular UFO


FOR POSTING

Reply to : lsanchez@chilesat.net

*********************************************************
***

Just a few minutes ago a military friend called from
Coyhaique and told me that yesterday, Friday (August 21)
night a 400 meters wide triangular UFO was seen by many
people in a region called "Cochrane" (100 KM south of
Coyhaique). Local police saw this UFO and got so
impressed that they are conducting an official
investigation.

That same night near Coyhaique also, a military base
while doing night training saw a big ball of light fly
over them. As far as my friend knows two pictures were
taken and hopes to get copies of them soon.


Saludos,
Luis Sanchez
Chilean Director
Skywatch International
*********************************************************
**
* e-mail : lsanchez@chilesat.net    Fax : (56 2) 219-3314
*
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                 P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:55:13 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:37:47 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

Greetings to the List:

The sad descent of MUFON in recent months illustrates the
serious problems that confront ufology today. Compounding
MUFON's problems is a steady drop in membership, from over 5000
some two years ago, to some 3400 today. I fully expect this
decline to continue. Since the departure of Dennis Stacy as
editor of the MUFON Journal, this once proud publication has
ceased to have any real value to the serious researcher. The
content of the Journal is now geared toward the naive and
gee-whiz element. From a good read, to a waste. What a pity!

BTW, I got a recent phone call from Walt Andrus re my leaving
MUFON, after being a member for nearly twenty-three years. We
spoke for about a half-hour, and it confirmed my worst fears
about the current state of the organization. Walt means well,
but he seems to have lost his way. MUFON is floundering, and he
seems (or chooses) not to notice. He has chosen to accomodate
the large non-critical thinking element of MUFON, and in so
doing has turned that organization into a bad joke.

Regards, Herb Taylor






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                Forged Reuters Dispatch Smears UFO Luminaries

From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:57:13 -0400
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Subject: Forged Reuters Dispatch Smears UFO Luminaries




Source: Sightings Homepage

http://www.sightings.com/ufo/smear.htm


Forged Reuters Dispatch Smears UFO Luminaries Rense, Lindemann,
& Campbell

by Keith Woodard <qwoodard@worldnet.att.net> 8-23-98

Early this morning, Phoenix-based UFO journalist Doc Barry
posted this message to the I_UFO Internet mailing list -

*** Begin copy text ***

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net
Subject: IUFO: Bogus Reuters News Story
Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 12:28 AM
IUFO Mailing List

A false story, supposedly a Reuters release is being circulated
on the internet. This story originated on the ACC Images
bulletin board, posted by someone named "Kitty".

The story is a smear against Glenn Campbell, Jeff Rense, and
Michael Lindemann, accusing them of being contractors for
government agencies.

A thorough search of Reuters dispatches will show that there is
no such Reuters story. It is a false item.

This deliberate plant of false information, showing a bogus wire
service heading, is a glaring example of disinformation and
libel on the internet.

The three people libeled are among the most truthful reporters
of UFO and government cover-up information found on the internet
and radio dial.

Anyone who circulates such lies about people known for their
integrity should be punished.

*** End copy text ***

As it happens, Steven L. Wilson, Sr., head director of UFO Sky
Searchers International, had, only minutes before, posted that
very article (exactly as it appeared on the ACC bulletin board)
to I_UFO:

*** Begin copy text ***

From: Ndunlks@aol.com To: Subject: IUFO: [paranormal-l] Reuters
News Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 11:59 PM IUFO Mailing List

REUTERS NEWS

Air Force ADMITs that 'Area 51' Glen Campbell, Mike Linderman
and Show Host Jeff Rense are 'Government Contractors'

Posted by Kitty on Friday, 21 August 1998, at 11:55 p.m. REUTERS
NEWS SERVICE (L O N D O N) 8:30 GMT August 21, 1998

In a brief interview with paranormal reporter Pierre Stahl of
Germany's STERN MAGAZINE, Captain Paul Scott Lewis, US Navy, and
head of Intelligence Operations for the United States Space
Command, headquartered at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado
Springs, Colorado, admitted that the US Air Force has been
'deliberately' misleading the public for some time about the
existence and intelligent control of so-called Unidentified
Flying Objects (UFOs). Captain Lewis, among other startling
admissions, identified that the Air Force had maintained a 'Duty
Cover' operation for Nellis Air Force base, where special flying
craft of the United States Military were 'hidden' behind
intelligence operations intended to make these advanced
so-called 'Warfighter Aircraft' look like Flying Saucers. Among
those named in the deception: Glen Campbell, operator of the
'Area 51 Information Center', and one Michael Linderman, who
writes a popular alternative newsletter about UFOS called 'CNI
News'. Lewis also identified Radio Show Host Jeff Rense, who he
indicated was employed by a small National Security group
assigned to Peterson Air Force Base, which operates the 'Orbit 7
Network', a phony Radio Network which was organized to plant
stories into the Civilian Broadcast Channels. When asked why he
had decided to publicize these obviously sensitive matters,
Captain Lewis cited recent disagreements between himself and
General Howell Estes, head of the United States Space Command,
over Public Policy Captain Lewis believes these Covert
Operations appear to violate, leading to his decision to leave
the United States Space Command and return to the United States
Navy. Lewis also indicated that the Air Force and the United
Space Command were 'failing to disclose' the true nature of
actual Flying Disk Spacecraft which have visited Earth during
the modern era, and while refusing to admit or deny the
existence, indicated that President Clinton may not have been
telling the whole truth, when he denied that the United States
Department of Defense had captured an alien spacecraft. Captain
Lewis's credentials and curriculum vitae are remarkably
impressive for so outspoken a critic of the Air Force's
policies. After a lengthy career at Fleet Intelligence Center in
the US Navy ADP Section, From January 1978 until June 1983 CAPT
Lewis served two consecutive Norfolk, VA tours: first, at Fleet
Intelligence Center Europe and Atlantic where he served as Chief
of the ADP section supporting production of the Naval
Intelligence Processing System; then at United States Commander
in Chief Atlantic where he stood up the mission planning center
for the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile. Next CAPT Lewis served as
Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff for intelligence on the
Commander Sixth Fleet staff and supported multiple operations in
the Mediterranean littoral. In 1985 he attended the Naval
Command and Staff College in Newport, RI, where he earned a
master of arts degree in National Security and Strategic Studies
and another MA in International Relations from Salve Regina
College also in Newport, RI. He entered defense attache training
in June 1986 followed by an assignment as an Assistant Naval
Attache from January 1987 until January 1990 at USDAO Rome,
Italy. From January 1990 until March 1992, CAPT Lewis served as
Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence and as Space and
Electronic Warfare Coordinator for the Commander, Carrier Group
Six, embarked in USS Forrestal (CV 59). This operational tour
was followed by four years of duty at two Washington, DC area
commands; the first being with Space and Naval Warfare Systems
Command as acting program manager for the Navy Tactical Command
System/Afloat; then at Defense Information Systems Agency as
Chief, C4I Engineering Management supporting initial deployment
of the Global Command and Control System. From there, CAPT Lewis
assumed his present duty assignment in August 1997 and currently
serves as the Director of Intelligence for NORAD and USSPACECO.
CAPT Lewis is married to the former Tonya Lanham, from
Owensboro, KY, and they have four children.

(c) Copyright 1998 Reuters News Service. All Rights Reserved.

*** End copy text ***

A clue to what may underlie this rather clumsy forgery can be
found in the following exchange, which took place the 12th of
this month on Jeff Rense's program "Sightings on the Radio."

*** Begin homemade transcript ***

Michael Lindemann: ... American Computer Company was making an
enormous and rather aggravating splash on the airwaves and on
the Internet for a long, long time, with one outlandish claim
after another. Now it turns out that American Computer Company
has decided that they cannot release their transcapacitor, their
allegedly amazing new device derived from alien technology...
they cannot release it, they cannot release any products related
to it, because to do so might be in violation of a 1967 outer
space treaty which apparently... prohibits any private party
from profiting from materials received from outer space.... This
is a truly astonishing gambit on ACC's part. It shows that
whoever writes their stuff has not lost his imagination.

Jeff Rense: Oh, it's a brilliant out, as they say.

Michael Lindemann: As they say. But, it reeks of livestock
exhaust....

<snip>

Michael Lindemann: I think it is fair to say, now that we have
some perceptive on this, Jeff, now that we can look back several
months on the last major appearance of Mr. Jack on your program,
I think it is fair to say, that whether by design or
serendipity, you really silenced that whole operation. And, I
don't know if our listeners are sad to see the circus end, but
that was a master stroke, in a way, and, of course, it relied
heavily on the call from the lady whose name I forget... [Edith
- KW]

Jeff Rense: Well, I think we really need to be sure that our
listeners understand that there was no design on my part to
orchestrate, in any way shape or form, what transpired on that
program. That is cast in stone. What happened there was largely
spontaneous, it was certainly an elective response on the part
of Mr. Shulman, it was not my desire for any of this to
transpire. However, I simply set the table -- the manners of the
invitees are their own

Michael Lindemann: Well, indeed, indeed. And it strikes me,
frankly, as somewhat astonishing that we haven't heard, really,
much at all from ACC since that very night.

Jeff Rense: Well I think it's sensible that they would take a
rather low road [sic] for a bit and let the dust settle.

Michael Lindemann: Well, it seems they have. But now they've
come up with something else for us to be amused by.

*** End homemade transcript ***

What exactly did "transpire" on that fateful program? You can
listen in on the fireworks by pointing your browser to:

http://www.audionet.com/shows/endoftheline/archive.stm

and clicking on the May 1, 1998 program. Until then, of course,
Jack Shulman had been a frequent guest on "Sightings."

Edith's call begins 29 minutes, 45 seconds into the program.

If you do listen, you'll discover that the episode is related to
Glenn Campbell's dispute with ACC, which he chronicles at these
URL's"

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d13-001.shtml

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d14-001.shtml

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d17-002.shtml

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d21-001.shtml

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d23-001.shtml


I was first tipped off to what I consider ACC's true colors by
this rather insightful posting of I_UFO's Stuart Bonzdulsa.

*** Begin copy text ***

Subj: Re: IUFO: ACC/Bell Labs Controversy Update Date: 97-11-01
23:48:15 EST From: Bonzdulsa@aol.com Sender:
iufo-approval@world.std.com Reply-to: iufo@world.std.com To:
iufo@world.std.com

- SearchNet's IUFO Mailing List

In a message dated 97-11-01 22:16:09 EST, Doc wrote:

<< American Computer Company has updated its page on the
controversy as of Oct. 31, 1997. Included below if you have
interest. --- Doc in Phoenix

---------- http://www.american-computer.com/roswell.htm

Yeah, I did. I looked at the site, and then did what I
customarily do and looked at the HTML source code. And this is
what I found:

<HEAD <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1" <META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="computer, pc,
personal, software,hardware,web, ibm, monitor, internet, adult,
entertainment, modem, disk, floppy, display, crt,microsoft,
windows, nt, unix, security, cable, access, sex, supercomputer,
warranty, video, audio, speakers, keyboard, mouse, lotus, sql,
server, symantec,act, electronic, pad, control, download,
graphic, gif, jpg, mpg, author, html,president, police,
television, tv, radio, conference, chat, talk, listen, push,rub,
lick, tile, floor, paint, carpet, door, desk, desktop, light,
government,corporate, marketing, sales, service, website, www,
domain, internic, index,database, manager, employment, job,
jobs, opinion, ufo, alien, ufology, discount,trade, exchange,
sexual, erotic, USA, China, Canada, Mexico, Latin,
America,North, South, East, West, Europe, Asia, Russia, Africa,
Middle, East,Pacific ,Australia, Artic, Antartic"

<META NAME="Description" CONTENT="American Computer Company,
headquartered inCranford, New Jersey, the original designer of
the popular PC architecture,manufactures PCs, LANS and Servers
in the USA with 5 Year Standard Warranty."

Pay close attention to the META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT=
statement in the HTML. This page is geared to attract folks
attention to their company. Why would a computer hardware firm
post keywords on their homepage that say: adult, entertainment,
sex, push, rub, lick, sexual, erotic, download ....yada yada
yada (not to mention UFO ufology and alien)?

This is the poor man's way of ensuring multiple hits on his
internet site when someone searches on those keywords from a
search engine such as Webcrawler, Lycos, or Altavista.

Sure makes me wonder what the ulterior motive behind this page
is. This page reminds me of a carnival barker hawking his goods.
And this,

To me, makes the whole story suspect. The LAST thing someone
that is trying to bring out the truth would do is sully it up
with cheap associations such as this. If these folks are
legitimate, they have made a very serious judgement error by
advertising their site in this manner. Most corporations would
never stoop to this puerile level of advertisement.

Sorry, but I am becoming pretty disenchanted with this story
right about now.

Regards, - Stuart

*** End copy text ***

While, of course, proving nothing, Bonz's observation struck me
as an indication of the ethical stuff Shulman was made of. Since
then, I haven't seen anything to counter that impression.

I_UFO is, incidentally, temporarily archived at:

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/media/mailing/archive/iufo/

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               P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@KONSULTING.COM>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:27:00 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:41:38 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:27:28 -0700
>From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@JPS.NET>
>Subject: Re: Mufon's moribundus
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
>
>Hello list members,
>
>MUFON is a grass roots organization.  It has always been such. It was
>and is only as strong or weak as whoever is in charge of the local
>group.  Blaming Walt for the woes of MUFON probably shows a lack of
>understanding for what can and cannot be done at his level.  He is no
>more to blame as he his for giving him credit at the peak of MUFON's
>time.
>
>Local groups looking for direction from headquarters are looking in the
>wrong place.  It's like a lieutenant with his platoon stuck on the
>beaches on D-Day.  Headquarters might have gotten you there, but the
>only one getting you out is that lieutenant and his own platoon
>resources.  You either sink or swim at the local level with what you
>got.

>It appears to me that most local groups (at least the ones I was
>familiar with) do not know out to swim and are sinking.

>Ex-MUFON member,

>Ed


Your point is well taken, but I'm not sure the analogy in the
second paragraph really fits this situation. We're not at war,
per se, and the soldiers on D-Day were given a clear cut goal to
achieve. I have this rather sick vision in my mind of soldiers
sitting on the beach trying to philosophically analyze the
orders they had been given and each platoon taking off on its
own tangent.

As I understand it, MUFON was started as a grass roots
organization that was centrally organized.  But the
philosophical differences between some MUFON Chapters is so
great that one can hardly imagine that they are part of the same
organization. As a group, is there much of a chance that the
State Directors could come to a consensus of what constitutes
scientific proof, or how they would define "Ufology".

I did not blame Walt for the problems that have now beset the
organization, and I'm not convinced that the drop in membership
is solely related to a lack of organization at the
National/International level. This genre has grown to become a
monster that would be difficult for anyone to stay on top of,
and while Walt has been criticized I think he has done the best
that he can do.

The fact is that membership is way down, and the organization
has been supplanted by the Internet for immediate information.
Many people joined the organization to get the MUFON Journal,
but for a short while it tended to provide an echo of the
information that had previously been published on the "net". If
it had added to the information, that would have been great, but
that was not the case. In fact, a recent issue included a
report that had already been refuted on the Internet, but it was
published as factual in the Journal.

This raises the second problem that I think faces MUFON, and
that's the issue of credibility. When Dennis Stacy left as the
editor of the MUFON Journal, it seemed to become very uneven in
quality of the material (which I know is very subjective).  The
Journal's new Editor is trying to regain that stability, and I
sense that it's getting better, but regaining lost respect can
be a difficult task.

I don't believe that MUFON needs to micromanage each of its
local chapters, but I believe that it needs to develop a
mechanism to monitor the local groups and allow those that stray
too far off the "chosen path" to go along on their own. This
wouldn't help the membership situation, but for some it would
add to their credibility and perhaps people of similar beliefs
would opt to re-join and (GASP!) a few new Members might sign up
as well.

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From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@JPS.NET>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:27:28 -0700
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:32:30 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

Hello list members,

MUFON is a grass roots organization.  It has always been such. It was
and is only as strong or weak as whoever is in charge of the local
group.  Blaming Walt for the woes of MUFON probably shows a lack of
understanding for what can and cannot be done at his level.  He is no
more to blame as he his for giving him credit at the peak of MUFON's
time.

Local groups looking for direction from headquarters are looking in the
wrong place.  It's like a lieutenant with his platoon stuck on the
beaches on D-Day.  Headquarters might have gotten you there, but the
only one getting you out is that lieutenant and his own platoon
resources.  You either sink or swim at the local level with what you
got.

It appears to me that most local groups (at least the ones I was
familiar with) do not know out to swim and are sinking.

Ex-MUFON member,

Ed
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There Is Something         |Perhaps acts second to some sphere unknown.
   Going On!       ,>'?'<, |Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal,
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                Reason For Optimism In ET Search - Scientist

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:40:42 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:29:52 -0400
Subject: Reason For Optimism In ET Search - Scientist


Source:Business Wire.

Stig

*******

Scientist: Reason for Optimism in ET Search

Friday, August 21 6:20 PM ET


BOSTON (BUSINESS WIRE) - SETINOW reports that scientists
conducting Searches for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI)
recently received good news: ET signals may be numerous because
the transmitting technology is easy to develop. In the latest
issue of the journal SetiQuest, Boston University professor and
radio astronomer Nathan Cohen shows how a device called an
'aperture engine' could be used to transmit across the Galaxy.

SETI uses radio telescopes to attempt reception of radio
transmissions from ET's from distant stars in the galaxy and
beyond. No ET signals have been found to date. SETI is
considered a legitimate scientific enterprise and is not
connected with UFO studies or alleged alien abductions.

A cosmic signal's transmitted power must be made very large.
Traditional thinking dictates doing this by using a powerful and
expensive transmitter or through the magnification or 'gain'
from a very large antenna dish. This produces an inefficient and
expensive technological tradeoff.

Cohen says the two are likely to be linked as an optimized,
aperture engine. The transmitting antenna also is a stellar
power collector and transmitter module array, combining three
key functions in one physical area, with high efficiency. It
would look like a collection of flat panels with multiple
layers. A typical aperture engine would be a dozen acres on a
side for transmission to Earth from the other side of the
Galaxy, 70,000 light years away. For closer transmissions out to
1000 light years it would be slightly bigger than a football
field. The closest star is about 4 light years away.

The total number of ET civilizations spread across the Galaxy is
a matter of speculation. Guesses run between 1 and 100,000,000.
No matter how big or small the actual number, Cohen suggests
that there is a good chance a vast majority of them above a
modest technological threshhold are capable of trying to contact
us or others with radio transmissions from aperture engines.
Even distant and humble ET's will have the chance for a cosmic
contact. Cohen adds: "ET contact is not just the plaything of
the few super-smart civilizations, but even the far more
numerous ones at our level or slightly above it." Asked to
speculate on the number of detectable ET's Cohen guessed between
100 and 100,000. "But we have no useful data which constrains
that number. Until you find any ET's and survey the sky
correctly no one knows", he cautioned.

Cohen also cautions that the optimized effort on the transmit
side has to be matched by one on our end, and that the
conversation is one-way, because of the great distances and time
scales. "For a chance to find even one ET signal, you need
patience, the largest radio telescopes and to look at thousands
of stars at a time", explains Cohen, " also you have to be smart
enough to know that the changing, thin plasma of space requires
a special spread spectrum method called polychromatic SETI." At
the moment, says Cohen, ongoing Earth SETI's are receive-only
and fall substantially short of optimized efforts. The most
comprehensive survey has looked at less than 700 stars out of
500 billion in the galaxy. "The amazing thing is not that we've
found nothing so far, but that we're not doing the receive
effort the right way." Cohen believes SETI will be successful
within a generation of changing its observing strategies.

Copies of the SetiQuest issue may be purchased through its
website:

http://www.setiquest.com

SETINOW sponsors dissemination of important breakthroughs in the
SETI through its in-construction web site, scheduled for a
September debut.

Contact: SETINOW Rick Gordon or Phil Salkind 617-489-6207






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               Re: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Nick Humphries <nick@the-den.clara.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:06:08 GMT
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:36:08 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:55:13 EDT
>From: Herb Taylor <HerbUFO@AOL.COM>
>Subject: Walt's woes
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Greetings to the List:
>
>The sad descent of MUFON in recent months illustrates the
>serious problems that confront ufology today. Compounding
>MUFON's problems is a steady drop in membership, from over 5000
>some two years ago, to some 3400 today. I fully expect this
>decline to continue. Since the departure of Dennis Stacy as
>editor of the MUFON Journal, this once proud publication has
>ceased to have any real value to the serious researcher. The
>content of the Journal is now geared toward the naive and
>gee-whiz element. From a good read, to a waste. What a pity!

Sadly this is now a world-wide phenomenon - I left BUFORA a year
or two ago because they were giving more credence to the
"fringe" areas (Lear, Santilli, NWO, etc), presumably to try and
hook more members by the sensationalism of the material. Sadly
(for them) it didn't work and they're now in messy times at the
moment - see previous 'BUFORA Watches' for more details.

The fact is that time is ufology's worst enemy - many 'landmark'
cases are now solved or very close to being solved as more and
more information comes out. For fear of stepping on many
high-profile researchers on this list, I'll only give these as
examples:

- the Thomas Mantell incident: originally believed to be some
sort of UFO abduction/crash of a plane - sometime in the 80's
ufologists finally agreed he was actually chasing a Skyhook
balloon and ran out of oxygen when he flew too high - the sad
thing is that the Skyhook explaination was known in the 60s but
was rejected as part of the "cover up" and/or the work of
debunkers.

- Rendelsham Forest: the British 'Roswell'. James Easton is
doing some great research into this and slowly, together with
Jenny Randles, the facts are falling into place revealing this
case to be mundane.

- Roswell: the biggie. With the Mogul explaination appearing to
be the most probable cause of this little myth, together with
omission/replacement of various facts and testimonies amongst
the various researchers, this is also a dead duck.
Unfortunately, Roswell is the cornerstone of ufology and will
never be dropped by the high-profile ufologists simply because
it is ufological suicide - become a Roswell skeptic and be
damned. Look what happened to Pflock, Jeffery, Todd, etc... Say
a bad word about this sacred cow and you're identified as being
an ally of the dreaded Klass (who is also misunderstood, but
before Jerry Clark moves in on this point I'll quickly move on).

The 'big cases' are falling apart, the 'little cases' aren't
that sensational, and until something 'big' happens, ufology is,
quite frankly, in deep-shit.

And it's no use crying about the fact that most of mainstream
science ignores the subject - look at yourselves and you'll see
why. All the researchers are divided according to pet theories,
there is no 'universal truth', there are no standards to speak
of and there is no policing of the whole field. Get your house
in order, stop bickering and try and find the common ground as
this (if there is any) will probably bear the most fruit.

Some sort of unification is the key, otherwise the subject is
doomed to the fringe for the forseeable future.

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                       Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo

From: dledger@ns.sympatico.ca (Donald  Ledger)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:32:29 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:40:50 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo


> From: Bill Oliver" <boliver@direct.ca>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: UFO*BC - Yukon Orbs Photo
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:55:17 -0700

> We have just posted a remarkable photo and report from the
> Yukon. these are some of the most interesting photos I have seen
> yet.

> Your feedback is welcome.

> Take the time to read the report thoroughly and have a look at
> the many different blow-ups in the article.

> Check it out at:

> http://www.ufobc.org or http:www.sightings.com

Hi Bill and list,

Apparently the  www.sightings.com folder doesn't exist, according
to the message I just received.

Don





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                 Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations

From: Angela Shilling <ashill@skipnet.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:40:29 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:47:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations

Brother Blue has agreed to an interview on #Visitations and will be
available to answer your questions.

Saturday, August 29th
7pm Pacific / 9pm Central 10pm Eastern / 3am GMT

Where: #Visitations on the Undernet

How to Get to IRC: http://www.skipnet.com/~visitations/irc/

Brother Blue's Website: http://www.brotherblue.org

------------------------------------------

Message From Brother Blue:

It is necessary, my dear friend, to give you a clear idea of the
interior Community of the Blue Brethren (B:.B:.) which is
scattered throughout the Universe, but which is governed by One
Truth, united in One Spirit and filled to overflowing with Love
and Light.

This Community possesses a Sublime Lodge, in which all who
thirst for knowledge shall be filled; as all the Mysteries of
the Cosmos are revealed through her in full measure unto these
Holy Children of Light.

It is from her that all Truths penetrate into the world; she is
the School of all who search for Wisdom, and it is in this
Community alone that Truth and the explanation of all Mysteries
are to be found.

It is the most hidden of Communities, yet it contains members
from many circles; nor is there any Centre of Thought -- secular
or otherwise -- whose activity is not due to the presence of one
of ourselves.

From all time there has been an _exterior_ school based on the
_interior_ one, of which it is but the outer expression. From
all time, therefore, there has been a hidden Assembly, a Society
of the Elect, of those who sought for and had capacity for Love
and Light.

All that any external order possesses in symbol, ceremony, or
rite is the letter expressive outwardly of that Spirit of Truth
which dwelleth in the interior Sanctuary.

The lesser Degrees are but the outer court or portico of this
Sanctuary. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the
Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false
interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand
them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands
them.

Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes
of the Holy Blue Brethren of the B:.B:. The whole body of the
Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries
since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to
solve many of the enigmas which they contain.

It is well enough for the mass of those so-called Brethren, to
imagine that all is contained in the lesser Degrees; and whoso
attempts to undeceive them shall labour in vain, and without any
true reward violate his obligations as an Adept -- for the
Hidden Truths are a veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the
sands heaped round it by the ages.

Hence this Sanctuary, composed of members widely scattered
indeed but united by the Holy Bonds of Love and Light, has been
occupied from the earliest ages in building the Grand Temple
(through the evolution of human consciousness) by which the
reign of L.V.X. will be manifest.

It is for this reason, my friends, that we must rely heavily
upon Alien Mind-Control Implants and the Tryptamine
Hallucinations which spring forth from the Alchemical Garden at
the Edge of Time to fashion the foundational apparatus upon
which we may construct...

THAT WHICH IS BLUE

For hath not the Prophet said, "The first shall be last and the
last shall be abducted?"

Our Interior Order was formed immediately after the first
perception of man's wider Galactic Heritage had dawned upon the
first of the Holy Adepts; it received from the Ascended Masters
first-hand the revelation of the means by which humanity could
be raised to its rights and delivered from its misery.

But as men multiplied, the frailty of man necessitated an
_exterior_ society which veiled the _interior_ one, and
concealed the spirit and the truth in the letter, because many
people were not capable of comprehending the Great Interior
Truth. Therefore, interior truths were wrapped in external and
perceptible ceremonies, so that men, by the perception of the
outer which is but the symbol of the interior, might by degrees
be enabled safely to approach these Great Interior Spiritual
Truths. As above so below, etc.

But the Inner Truth has always been confided to him who in his
day had the most capacity for Holy Illumination, and thus he
became the Sole Guardian of the original trust, as High Priest
of the Inner Sanctuary of Love and Light. United in Truth, their
Chief is the Light of the World himself, The Holy Maitreya(tm),
the One Anointed in Light, the Single Teacher for the human race
in this present Aeon of Horus. We, then, are merely his Holy
Blue Messengers -- voices crying from the wilderness of that
Most Hideous Abyss of Draco.

Obscuris vera involvens, etc.

Khabs am Pekht;
Konx om Pax;
Nix on National Security;

The V.H. Frater Caeruleus, B:.B:., 33=B0, etc.
Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren
Sacerdotal Knights of National Security
"All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong."





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                        Help Needed to Locate Article

From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:04:40 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:39:05 -0400
Subject: Help Needed to Locate Article

I would like to locate the following article:

The TRUE Report Flying Saucers. #1 1967
Why Don't The Damn Things Swim - So on We Can Turn Them Over To The
Navy?

Ruppelt, Edward J.
Fawcett Publishers, Inc.,
Louisville, Kentucky.


I am interested in reading it - original, photocopy, scanned text,
any will suffice. If you have a copy or know where it can be located
please contact me.

Thanks,

Gary Alevy
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                 Re: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Beverly Trout <btufo@netins.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:07:19 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:59:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


Dear List -

Yes, MUFON membership is down drastically in the last few years.
And yes, there are fringe elements who want to infuse MUFON with
muddleheaded (their own preferred category) reasoning. Which
behooves the rest of us to get in there and pull our weight so
that MUFON can constantly move in a questionning direction
rather than letting the fringe look at the UFO enigma for what
_they_want_it_to_be, instead of what _it_is_!

As to the editorship of MUFON Journal, my own considered opinion
is that we'd be losing membership faster if a change had not
been made. I fielded many complaints in my own state, and heard
the same story from other state directors. The MUFON JOURNAL is
different now and with Dwight Connelly as editor, positively so.

At the all-day meeting of State Directors in Denver in June
prior to the MUFON Symposium, I was impressed with the quality
of the reports and the quality of the _reporters_. I sensed a
vitality I'd not seen before, i.e. a volunteer mentality heavily
weighted in favor of putting MUFON information (privacy
protected, of course) in accessible location and form. And I'd
bet the follow-up will be substantial.

Dropping one's membership, in my opinion is NOT the solution. No
organization is perfect and Walt Andrus does not have an easy
job. A big help can occur at the state level. My hope is that
state directors will not only be astute individuals, but that
they will also study their own state organization and assign
case investigations to those who can be trusted to exercise
objectivity. And if they don't have enough objedctive
investigators, that they will somehow be able to jump into the
breach and see that interesting cases are probed...and followed
up. I strongly feel that state directors must keep their fingers
on the pulse in order to run an effective program in their
state. I become concerned if state directors refrain from
interacting _closely_ with the investigative process.

How we interact with the media needs examination. If media is
bent on inserting a giggle factor, I refuse to interact as a
resource person. My standard statement goes like this as I
respond to requests from print, TV and radio media: "If you
plant to _sensationalize_ or _trivialize_ this subject, I want
no part of it." And I mean it. I would rather nothing be
published than to give the UFO subject such publicity! Although
I realize that a reporter or producer could blindside me, so far
it's worked. And we've been getting very good media coverage in
my state and on a frequent basis.

Public and media respect for MUFON should not be underestimated.
I realized long ago that MUFON gives me an umbrella of UFO
respectability in my State. And when I speak before
organizations and groups, I strive to add to that respectability
by injecting circumspection into my comments, and by presenting
substantive information, pointing to documentation obtained
through FOIA, etc.

In summary MUFON is "respectable" and should not be
underestimated; state directors need to be involved and on the
look-out for fringe members who should not be involved in case
investigations; interaction with media should be informative,
but circumspect as well as when speaking before groups and
organizations. (BTW, this does not mean that I avoid the
abduction phenomenon. It does mean that I need to know a lot
about it and so be aware of the warts, blemishes, and perception
gaps which can attend this experience. And I say this as an
abductee with both conscious experiences and some memories
recovered under (very light) hypnosis...with a psychiatrist.)

So far, Walt Andrus has been able to hold this sometimes unruly
organization together. It behooves those of us who don't want
to over-conclude, who do want to be objective (hopefully) to
'hang in there' with MUFON.

Bev Trout
Iowa MUFON State Director





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                   Crop Circles Appear In Rothwell, Leeds

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:21:44 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:50:50 -0400
Subject: Crop Circles Appear In Rothwell, Leeds

Source: alt.paranet.ufo

Stig

*******

From: "david mason" <david.mason1@virgin.net>
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
Subject: crop circles
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:23:11 +0100


CROP CIRCLES APPEAR IN ROTHWELL LEEDS ENGLAND.

Today 22.8.98 at 16.00 my son and his friend alerted me that crop
circles were in a field just around the corner from where I live.
Upon getting to the field (video camera in hand) I was very
impressed with the sight I was greeted with. At least five shapes
were visible including two double circles. I shot at least five
minutes of video and my friend who had joined me shot some
stills. There was other people around children,and a discovery
type jeep with a man taking photos. If anyone has any more
information could they please get in touch.







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                           Re: Friedman Lectures?

From: chyren23@q-net.net.au
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 03:16:12 +0800
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:42:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Friedman Lectures?


>From: "Sharon Kardol" <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Friedman Lecture
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:50 +0800

>G'day,

>Just curious if anyone knows if Mr Friedman
>will be appearing in Perth, West Aust. at all
>during his tour?

>There's comfort in the classics.

>Shaz.

>sharon@hotmix.com.au


Yep, he sure is, Shazza! You have probably already seen the
article in Perth's West Australian newspaper for Monday 24th by
now, but anyway it will be on Wednesday night, 26th August,
Burswood Showroom. Admission is $37! Three and a half hours of
non-stop Stan! Let's hope refreshments are provided! :-)

I am going down there to have a gander myself.

See you there, if you're thinking of going!!

Cheyne Conrad

chyren23@q-net.net.au









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                   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:23:56 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:06:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


>From: Nick Humphries <nick@the-den.clara.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON
>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:06:08 GMT

>The fact is that time is ufology's worst enemy - many 'landmark'
>cases are now solved or very close to being solved as more and
>more information comes out. For fear of stepping on many
>high-profile researchers on this list, I'll only give these as
>examples:

>- the Thomas Mantell incident...

Most people have agreed on this one for much longer than since
the 1980s.

As for the rest of the cited cases, while they may have received
a lot of publicity, they have contributed little or nothing to
ufology, and frankly wouldn't be considered 'landmark' cases.
Now Socorro, or Levelland, or Exeter... well, those are landmark
cases, and they remain as unsolved today as they did when
witnessed.

>The 'big cases' are falling apart, the 'little cases' aren't
>that sensational, and until something 'big' happens, ufology is,
>quite frankly, in deep-shit.

Frankly, I have yet to see a bunch of researchers or interested
persons walking around, heads hanging, muttering... "Oh, no, not
Mantell... not Rendlesham... not Roswell - this breaks the back
of ufology!"

And, I don't see people doing that at MUFON meetings either.

What I do see is that the "believers" don't need an
investigative group, so MUFON doesn't do anything for them; they
really want some sort of "we all believe together" new age
encounter group. Unfortunately, a lot of those folks are in
MUFON, and they are trying to turn it into what they want.

The rational and scientifically inclined only have to attend one
MUFON chapter meeting. They'll find someone wailing about the
Face on Mars or that the US Government is trying to assassinate
them because they know too much about UFOs, or trumpeting Corso,
or talking about their mysterious 374th bedroom abduction or the
strange mark on their arm. It will be a short time before they
leave and decide this whole mess isn't worth being associated
with. Those who grit their teeth and hang in certainly aren't
going to invite anyone rational to join - it would be
embarrassing to have acted as a reference.

I also don't see people walking around going "this isn't very
interesting anymore", and I think the controversies on the mail
lists don't suggest that either.

>And it's no use crying about the fact that most of mainstream
>science ignores the subject - look at yourselves and you'll see
>why. All the researchers are divided according to pet theories,
>there is no 'universal truth', there are no standards to speak
>of and there is no policing of the whole field. Get your house
>in order, stop bickering and try and find the common ground as
>this (if there is any) will probably bear the most fruit.

I'm getting really tired of the whining about the state of
ufology, not that anyone probably cares. But, if you don't like
the state of it, do something on your own to improve it. Stop
nattering on about "cleaning house" or silencing the whackos.
Instead, outproduce them. Produce as much good research as they
produce dreck, and then produce more. If someone comes along
with wild eyed theories, hold them to a standard of proof. If
they can't meet it, everyone will know what they are.

The problem isn't the absence of a "universal truth", it's that
people keep expecting one. The answer to this problem isn't
going to be handed to us, the theories to explain small parts
have to be proven before the big global theories, and the real,
hard, down in the trenches analysis and research has to be done,
but isn't being done enough. Frankly theories like PNH, CSH, and
even ETH are still premature - they're like doing cosmology
before doing physics.

There are enough possibilities for experimental, statistical and
quantitative research to keep even amateur scientists busy well
into the next millenium. But there's a certain fear of
committing to that kind of work, and it's sad. Especially when
you realize we don't need multi-million dollar particle
accelerators or radio detectors to do it.

>Some sort of unification is the key, otherwise the subject is
>doomed to the fringe for the forseeable future.

What, make an organization bigger and more heterogenous than
MUFON? That's supposed to attract people to ufology?

I don't think so.

Make bigger and more global theories and punish the heretics
with stoning? I don't think so.

------
Mark Cashman, creator of The Temporal Doorway at
http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
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From: Jakes Louw <louwje@telkom.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:28:17 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:43:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


I was recently approached by one of the few MUFON members in
Southern Africa, who got my name and number from Cynthia Hind.
He wanted me to join MUFON, and to become a field investigator.

Having looked at the pre-requisites for qualification as a MUFON
field investigator, I must admit that the concept is good: here,
at least, MUFON was and is on the right track.

What is perhaps needed is a paradigm shift with regard to the
goals and objectives of MUFON and its members world-wide.

I have satellite TV, and obviously have occasion to watch the UK
(I think) SciFi Channel. They have insets between programs from
recent BUFORA conferences, and feature people from the UK and
the US like Derrel Sims (spelling?).

Most of these people espouse a paranormal belief, and in fact,
most claim they "believe in UFOs". What crap. How can I believe
in an Unidentified Flying Object? a) The object is unidentified
b) belief implies faith

So what are they saying? That they believe that Unidentified
Flying Objects exist? Or that they believe all UFOs are flying
saucers from another planet or dimension?

In either case, they have already decided. This, in my mind, is
unethical, and excludes that person from being a valuable
researcher, because he/she _already_ believes what they are
investigating is a flying saucer! Get my point?

A proper researcher will gather the evidence, and only maybe
then hypothesise regarding the origin and/or validity of the
sighting. Then other researchers, if they are proper scientists,
will test the hypothesis in isolation, and either confirm or
deny the validity.

One cannot and should not espouse a hypothesis based on faith.
Because then Ufology becomes a New Age religion.

End of chat.

To summarise: for MUFON to remain a valuable force and resource,
then internal ethics must be applied to its members by an
appointed board of peers.

If the scientists can do it, and must do it to retain
authenticity, then so must MUFON.

Other wise, yes, MUFON becomes another cult group with a cult
leader.

regards

Jakes E. Louw
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                         Re: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:38:11 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:37:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman


>From: Kirk W. Frazer <kirk@clatskanie.com>
>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:54:23  -0700
>Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:47:24 -0400
>Subject: Admiral Bobby Ray Inman

Hi, Kirk and List:

Kirk queried:

>In the 1997 Fox Special on UFO's it was mentioned that Ret. Admiral
>Bobby Ray Inman now works for a company in southern California
>which does R & D on Gravity Propulsion...>
>I'd like to learn more.>

I don't have a transcript, Kirk, but if my memory serves me right, it was
clearly stated or shown that the research was about EMP, or
Electromagnetic Pulse, an effect from nuclear explosions, which is
certainly a legitimate, non UFO-related defense subject.  But, then, the
idiot who was pretending to be an investigative reporter for the show,
proceeded to claim that EMP was about Gravity Propulsion.  This was
so blatant and comical that I remember this claim, distinctly.

The show was undoubtedly seen by many, so this claim is now
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                  'Black Vault' Helped By Trading Card Set

From: Doc Barry <authority@webtv.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:39:11 -0700 (MST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:49:28 -0400
Subject: 'Black Vault' Helped By Trading Card Set

This is posted to help the "Black Vault" webpages, which include the
largest collection of FOIA responses, available  free to any UFO
researcher.

== Doc


---------------------------------------
From the Desk of "JohnBro", Los Angeles
---------------------------------------

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years now, we have been researching 'The Technique'. The skies
abound with unusual aerial objects that, to date, have eluded
conventional explanation.

Since then, we have recorded so many of the UFOs that we have
made them into collectible trading cards. To the best of our
knowledge, it is the only collection of its type in the world.

http://www.blackvault.com/cards.shtml

The premier set of 'UFO Action Trading Cards' consists of 9
trading cards. Each card depicts a real aerial anomaly in
motion. It is a limited edition and until demand makes it
impossible, each pack will be signed by the set's creators and
designers.

Our main push is to make these cards available to the public.
Please make a donation of $8 to the 'Black Vault' and you will
receive a pack of the cards as a token of our appreciation for
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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Jakes Louw <louwje@telkom.co.za>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:31:30 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:44:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:03 +0100
>Subject: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

Dear AWS,

Thanks. At least somebody's starting to think.

Jakes E. Louw
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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: "Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug"<KONAWS@statoil.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:55:51 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:07:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:03 +0100
>Subject: Comments on Bruce Maccabee's Video Analysis; Mexico City Disc


Regarding the following text as written in my comments:

>Disc-shaped aircrafts have also been developed,
>tested and probably used for many years now, but the propulsion
>system in earlier days was, usually, liquid fuel driven fan(s);
>please also check: http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/realsauc.htm!

Sorry for causing trouble when you try to click directly on the URL link
written in my text!


The correct URL is without the "!" written at the end, thus the correct URL
is:

http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/realsauc.htm


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                      P-1947: Article - 'Alien Cowboys'

From: John Stepkowski <legion@MIRA.NET>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:33:49 +1000
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:42:29 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Article - 'Alien Cowboys'

Hi All;

An article that may be of interest. No "time-travelling" e-mail,
but "ETs in cowboy hats" is one example of what people are
reading about in the current crop of UFO "literature. "

Regards,
John

================================================================

From: The Minneapolis Star Tribune (8-12-98)

'The Observatory: Alien Cowboys Are Riding Shotgun On Science
Beat' -- by Jim Dawson


When I was a kid, maybe 10 or 11, I discovered a trove of books
in a library about Unidentified Flying Objects. I read them all,
fascinated by the photos of disk-shaped objects and the
possibilities they suggested.

For a kid, the stories of visiting space creatures was vastly
more interesting than the rote lessons in science class. Aliens
were here, they just had to be. These were books by real adults,
so they must be true. I was on to something. My father, an Air
Force missile defense expert at the time, was bemused by the
books and told me a story about a time a UFO had chased a B-47
down a runway. Then he left me to the books, grateful that I was
reading something other than 'Sarge and Gunner' comics.

Within a couple of years I was following the exploits of the
Mercury astronauts, and my imagination no longer needed the
blurry pictures of UFOs. Besides, I was a little older and could
think a bit more critically. But I've never forgotten the power
those early UFO stories, and I was reminded of them again last
week when I was looking through the science magazines at
Shinders bookstore in Minneapolis. Right next to 'Scientific
American', 'New Scientist' and a host of other real science
magazines, was the modern version of my childhood obsession.
'UFO Files, The Official Journal of UFO Research', was there,
along with 'UFO Universe', 'UFO Magazine', 'UFO Magazine and
Phenomena Report', 'Alien Encounters', 'Fate' and 'The Unopened
Files'. Aliens, lost civilizations, miniature blood-sucking
demons, remote viewers and hollow Earth believers grow like
weeds in these magazines.

To spare you the expense of the magazines, here are some
highlights: From 'UFO Files' comes the article, "It's No
Laughing Matter: The Alien-Clown Connection. "A UFO researcher
has noticed that most people who claim to have been abducted by
aliens "suffer from a very unusual and unique phobia -- fear of
clowns. "

The case studies of aliens-disguised-as-clowns are good, but the
case of the "Cowboy Aliens" leaves the clowns back in the
corral. It seems a woman named Beth was pulled over by a guy
wearing a huge Stetson hat. Her car went dead, of course (always
happens when aliens are nearby), but the real clue that Tex was
an alien was when he spoke telepathically. "By now, Beth was
certain that this was no ordinary man," the story says. "The hat
itself was way oversized, spanning an estimated 4 feet across!"
Under hypnosis, Beth realized that "this fellow had a head the
size of three basketballs put together inside of a hat that fit
him. "

Why aliens capable of travelling across millions of light years,
or a dimension or two, need to disguise themselves as clowns or
cowboys isn't discussed.

In the news section of 'Alien Encounters', one learns that
pieces from real UFOs are for sale. How do we know this is the
real stuff?"Several tests have been carried out on the samples,"
the magazine notes, "including a session with a psychic whose
`automatic drawing' produced pictures depicting how the debris
came to be." Hint: It has something to do with a fiery crash.

The same magazine notes that God failed to show up on TV Channel
18 when expected and members of a Taiwanese UFO cult were
disappointed. There is also a story about a man who set up
hidden cameras to film alien abductions. No aliens appeared, but
there is a "noticeable stretch of static, lasting about three
seconds" on one tape. Was it an alien or Nixon trying to speak
from beyond the grave?

In 'UFO Universe', there is a old satellite weather photo that
might be proof that the Earth is hollow and that there is a
hidden world below. That is where some people believe UFOs come
from. There also is a guide to the tattoos aliens leave on the
people they abduct (you need a black light to see them). There
are circles, bars, triangles, spots and a cute 4-inch heart that
glows blue.

If you tire of UFOs, 'Fate' magazine offers 12 ways to talk to
the dead, including such helpful hints as "forgo caffeinated
beverages" for 24 hours before attempting to communicate with
the dead.

Finally, there is 'The Unopened Files', a magazine that offers a
piece about evidence of a lost civilization under the Pacific
Ocean. It must be true because the deep-sea rubble covers about
the same area as one of the pyramids in Egypt.

So there you have it, the latest true stories of aliens above
us, aliens below us and aliens working for Barnum and Bailey.
The truly amazing stuff - galaxies in collision, genetic
manipulation, stars being born - can be found in the real
science magazines. But hey, if you're 10 years old, it's hard to
top a "Cowboy Alien" in a 40-gallon hat.

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                   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Donnie W. Shevlin <dshevlin@primary.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:23:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:52:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

Salutations List...

I thought that this may be easy to approach by a bottom up
methodology.

Start with

The MUFON member;

- A person with a genuine sense that there is more to our
universe than main stream society believes. Initial
introductions into MUFON could be a shock. If you survive the
introduction then there are many conflicting ideas amongst MUFON
members that could drive you off. If you don't fit their
mainstream ideology then you're mentally rejected by the group.

Next

MUFON leadership;

- Person(s) willing to dedicate more than a day a month to a
cause that they see worthy. Notable for the work that they
contribute but lack control over their chapters. Focus on who
said what, in lieu of, what was said. Tend to follow certain
ufologists and reject others. Bases subject matter on those
ufologists as a guideline.


Ufologists;

- Usually follows one singular ideology. Disconcerns themselves
with other ufologists if there is a conflict in interest. Those
that do have a noticeable opinion stand to gain from that
opinion. If anyone disputes that opinion, retaliations are in
order to maintain their ground on that subject.


Now lets start the trickle down effect. I'm going to be general
so bear with me.. From the top;

Ufologists have an idea of what may have occurred during a
specific event. Differences in opinions stem from ufologists,
all in justice cause, we want many opinions to create objective
dialogue.; (But the reasons behind these differences of opinions
more than likely are personal differences between ufologist).
Now those opinions stem down to the MUFON leadership. Each
leader forms an opinion based on their ufologists. Those ideas
are now passed onto the members. Members that don't conform to
the general ideas of the group are rejected. Feeling the lack of
participation, they cancel their membership.


Donnie Shevlin (casual observer)

"The author reserves the right to retract any or all statements
above once the author is proven wrong.." :)






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                     Triangle Wave Over Ardennes, France

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:12:51 +0200
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:34:33 -0400
Subject: Triangle Wave Over Ardennes, France

Starting August 10, a wave of triangle sightings have
occurred in France and Belgium, mainly over the Ardennes.
Cf. my e-mails to UFO Updates:

*Triangle Seen By Approximately 150 Frenchmen

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/aug/m14-014.shtml

*Much UFO Activity in France

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/aug/m18-001.shtml

*Re: Much UFO Activity in France

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/aug/m19-004.shtml

Belgian UFOCOM is offering a comprehensive coverage of
these events at

http://www.finart.be/UfocomHq/charlevilles1.htm

including two clips from a video. A third clip from the
same video plus additional Belgian sightings can be found
at

http://www.finart.be/UfocomHq/charleville2.htm

Both pages are in French, but will be available in
English in September. UFOCOM's e-mail address is:

ufocom@skynet.be

The e-mail below, which was sent to the French UFO
newsgroup 'francom.ovni' on August 21, describes a news
feature on RTBF, a French-speaking Belgian TV Channel,
with further information. I have translated the e-mail
into English; the original text follows towards the end.

Stig

*******


AGTF wrote in the message:

<01bd9a89$9063d260$42898aa4@8819byq31793>...

>After the appearance of a triangle in the East, I am adding fuel
>to the debate. Don't you think that they look like the Belgian
>triangles?

Hello,

I am Belgian, and the triangle(s?) that are beginning to
reappear in France have evoked pleasant memories. How surprised
I was yesterday, to see in the TV News (RTBF or RTL, I forget
which) the start of a new "Belgian wave". Wednesday night, as a
matter of fact, triangles reminiscent of those of 91-92 was seen
on different spots in our small country. 3 UFOs were filmed at
that!!! (3 different films). I saw them in the news, as
mentioned, and I can assure you that they were identical to
those of the previous wave. But why are they so interested in
Belgium??? It isn't even a tourist country... :-)

If anyone has any evidence or reaction to offer, or even a
photo, please send it to me:

xavier@skynet.be


Kindest regards


I hope, that these manifestations will recur... And that, at
long last, I shall see them with these very eyes...



*******


Author: <@skynet.be> Email:Date:1998/08/21 Forums:francom.ovni

AGFT a =E9crit dans le message:

<01bd9a89$9063d260$42898aa4@8819byq31793>... >

>Suite a l'apparition d'un triangle dans l'est , je relance
>le d=E9bat. Ne trouvez-vous pas qu'il y a une ressemblance
>avec les triangles belge?

Salut,

je suis belge, et le(s?) triangles qui commencent a
reaparaitre en France m'ont rappeles de bons souvenirs. Quelle
ne fut pas ma surprise de voir au journal televise d'hier (RTBF
ou RTL, je sais plus) le commencement d'une nouvelle "vague
belge". En effet, durant la nuit de mercredi a jeudi, des
"triangles" semblables a ceux de 91-92 ont ete vus en differents
points de notre petit pays. 3 ovnis ont meme etes filmes!!! (3
films differents). Je les ai donc vu au journal, et je peux vous
assurer que ce sont les memes que lors de la precedente vague.
Mais pourquoi s'interessent t-ils tant a la Belgique??? Notre
pays n'est meme pas touristique... :-)

Si quelqu'un a un temoignage ou une reaction, ou meme une phote,
ce serait gentil de me l'envoyer:

xavier@skynet.be

Cordialement

J'espere que ces apparitions vont se renouveller... Et que j'en
verrai enfin un de mes propres yeux...


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                     C-E: McDonald Hand Written Material

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:04:50 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:01:21 -0400
Subject: C-E: McDonald Hand Written Material

Greetings List,

Last year, Dr. Michael Swords lead a group of UFO historians,
Loren Gross, Jerry Clark and myself, on a one week research trip
to the University of Arizona to view Dr. James McDonald's
papers. (One of Dr. Swords' friends who has some interest in
UFOs also accompanied us and several weeks later Barry Greenwood
also went to visit the university's archives and follow up on
several areas we missed. )

Dr. McDonald had conducted a large number of interviews and
investigations which had never been transcribed from his hand
written notes. He also had copious notes that he took on various
research trips. There were a number of notebooks and UFO books
which were annotated with his hand written comments.

These notes are difficult to read as I can attest. Richard Hall
who carried on an extensive correspondence with McDonald. He is
able to read McDonald's difficult hand fairly well.

I suggested to Mark Rodeghier, the current head of the UFO
Research Coalition, that the Coalition fund a small effort to
transcribe and publish some of these notes. He responded that we
should to seek donations for such an undertaking.

None of on these lists are millionaires, however, maybe we can
come up with some donations. Also, maybe, some subscribers have
ideas where we could seek grants for such work.

Best regards,

Jan


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                      UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 34

From: Joseph Trainor <Masinaigan@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:52:30 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:28:49 -0400
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 34


Dear Readers:

Sorry for the delay. A crunch at work meant that I lost my day
off this week. Please open the attached file to read this week's
issue of UFO Roundup.

-----

UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 34 August 25, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

CHUPACABRA ATTACKS A FARM IN PUERTO RICO

A total of 28 animals were found dead Tuesday, August 11, 1998,
in the Barrio Playa section of Anasco, Puerto Rico in what
appears to be a Chupacabra attack.

The dead animals were found by the owner, Sra. Providencia
Rivera Mercado. They included "17 rabbits, 4 guinea hens, 4
chicks, two hens and one rooster." Each dead animal had
"perforations on the neck" and was "bloodless."

According to Officer Rogelio Orsini Cabrero of the Anasco, P.R.
police, who investigated the crime scene, "The animals had two
perforations made with some kind of sharp object and with no
blood in them. This is strange, very strange," he told the
newspaper El Nuevo Dia, "What they say about the Chupacabras
must be true, because there is no other explanation."

"He added that the major organs had been extracted from two of
the animals, and that a circular opening had been made in the
metal mesh of the cage..."

"Mrs. Rivera stated that she'd gone to bed at 11:30 that night,
and although she'd heard a strange noise, she paid no attention
and slept peacefully."

"'When I woke up, I saw all the animals dead and scattered. It
lifted the covers of some of the cages and opened holes in
others. The animals were sucked dry and appeared as if cut by
some double-edged surgical knife,' Rivera said."

Humberto Rivera, a neighbor, said "he returned from work at 1:30
in the morning and the neighborhood dogs were howling. 'There
was a strange feeling in the air, like in a mystery movie. The
dogs howled like wolves. The environment itself felt strange.'"

Anasco, P.R. is located 90 miles (145 kilometers) southwest of
San Juan. (See El Nuevo Dia of San Juan, P.R. for August 12,
1998, "15 Animals Killed Chupacabra- Style" by Gladys Nieves
Ramirez. Many thanks to Scott Corrales for forwarding this news
story.)


UFO AND FLYING ALIEN SEEN NEAR PORDENONE, ITALY

On Saturday, August 8, 1998, at 5:30 a.m., five people spotted a
UFO and a flying alien over a soccer field in Claut, a suburb of
Pordenone, a city in Italy's Giulia province about 400
kilometers (240 miles) north of Rome.

According to Italian ufologist Antonio Chiumiento, two farmers,
the soccer field's groundskeeper and a pair of tourists watched
the purported alien fly overhead and rejoin a hovering UFO. Then
the craft shot straight up into the early morning sky.

"Angelo F., one of the farmers, was beginning to have breakfast
near the soccer field, when he saw an object of many colors."
He estimated the UFO to be about 70 centimeters at arm's length.

"Angelo B., the groundskeeper, watched the object as it flew
overhead" and hovered above the field. The witnesses described
"the alien" as a humanoid with a large head and a small body
"like a puppet," approximately 1.3 meters (4 feet) tall, wearing
what appeared to be V-shaped body armor "equipped with a
luminous backpack."

Once the occupant had rejoined the UFO, the object "raised
itself into the air and flew away at a rising velocity."  (See
the Italian newspapers Il Manifesto and Gazzetta del Mezzogiorno
for August 15, 1998. Grazie a Edoardo Russo, Lucio Cassano e
Remo Ponti per questo rapporto.)

On Wednesday, August 12, 1998, hundreds of people in the Alpine
province of Friuli, 50 kilometers (80 miles) north of Pordenone,
watched a "pale luminous green object followed by a tail which
lit up the sky for several minutes."  The object "was
accompanied by a 'noticeable sound' and followed by a boom that
resounded for three minutes."  (See the Italian newspapers Il
Piccolo, Il Resto del Carlino and Il Mattino di Padova for
August 14, 1998. Grazie a Edoardo Russo, Renzo Cabassi, Angelo
Forlicca, Simone Grandicelli and Roberto Labanti of Centro
Italiano di Studi Ufologici per questo rapporto.)


UFO ACTIVITY REPORTED IN FRANCE AND BELGIUM

On Monday, August 10, 1998, at 11 p.m., twenty residents of
Prauthoy, a village near Chaumont, in France's Department of
Haute Marne, reported seeing "a strange glow in the sky."

Prauthoy's mayor, Philippe Badet, also a witness, told Agence
France Presse that they "heard a noise that was more powerful
than an airplane" as the UFO passed overhead.

On Friday, August 14, townspeople found a crop formation in a
wheat field on the outskirts of Prauthoy. The formation
consisted of two parallel lines that were 25 meters long and 75
centimeters wide. Between the two lines was a triangle or
pyramid about 8 or 9 meters wide at the base.

According to Mayor Badet, photos of the crop formation and
vegetation samples were taken by the Gendarmerie (French
police--J.T.). The tests had "negative results" and there was
"no trace of radiation." Prauthoy is located near Chaumont in
Haute Marne, about 225 kilometers (141 miles) southeast of
Paris. (Merci beaucoup a Thierry Garnier de Circle Ufologique de
Haute Normandie pour ces nouvelles.)

On Monday, August 10, 1998, a family living in Quaregnan,
Belgium reported seeing a large triangular UFO "flying at a slow
speed at a low altitude above the roofs of neighbouring houses."
The family's UFO sighting took place on June 27, 1998.

Quaregnan is located 72 kilometers (43 miles) southwest of
Brussels, the national capital. (Merci beaucoup a Robert Fischer
pour ces nouvelles.)


CROP CIRCLE APPEARS NEAR BAD RAPPENAU, GERMANY

On Tuesday, August 4, 1998, German ufologist Werner Moeller was
driving from Stuttgart to Saarbrucken when he spotted what
looked like a crop circle on a hillside near the Autobahn.

Two days later, on Thursday, August 6, 1998, Werner returned to
the site with his 11-year-old son, Miles. They took several
color photographs of the formation. The crop circle was located
adjacent to the Autobahn near the exits for Bad Rappenau and
Sinsheim, in the Baden-Wurttemberg region about 408 kilometers
(255 miles) southwest of Berlin.

"After we stopped at a parking space about two kilometers from
the circle, we left the car and then walked back through the
fields, packed with a camera and a load of film," Werner
reported.

"We finally arrived at the place--and there it was, a real crop
circle. The way the corn was pressed down, and from other
considerations, I knew it was real. It was about 20 to 30 meters
(12 to 18 feet) in diameter, with a little satellite circle. It
was placed on a little hill that you could only see by driving
past on the Autobahn." (Email Interview)


THREE CROP CIRCLES APPEAR IN SASKATCHEWAN FIELDS

Three crop circles appeared in Canada's western province of
Saskatchewan during the first half of August. On Sunday, August
9, 1998, a formation consisting of "two circles and a 'doughnut'
ring" appeared in a field of durum wheat in Conquest, Sask., a
small town on Provincial Highway 15 about 83 kilometers (52
miles) north of Saskatoon. The largest circle measured 10 meters
(33 feet) in diameter. "One circle had a short path or 'tail.'
Very tight twist of crop in one circle. Another was pressed very
hard to the ground."

The following Sunday, August 16, 1998, "a farmer found crop
circles" near Esterhazy, Sask. (population 2,896), a town on
Provincial Highway 80 about 198 kilometers (124 miles) east of
Regina. The Esterhazy formation consisted of "a main circle,
actually a set of concentric rings 75 feet (23 meters) across,
with a straight pathway about 10 feet (3 meters) long ending in
a small circle 12 feet across. The ring of standing crop is only
about two inches wide, according to a local reporter who was in
the formation shortly after discovery."

On Tuesday, August 18, 1998, another crop circle formation
appeared on a Hutterite farm colony near Outlook, Sask.
(population 2,091), on Highway 15 about eight miles (11
kilometers) east of Conquest.

The Hutterite farmers found "six circles, the largest anout 44
feet (in diameter). Four were in a straight line, with two other
'doughbut' rings. In durum wheat."  The circles "reportedly
caused a lot of excitement among the colony members. According
to the farmers and reporters who were in the circles, no tracks,
damage, dislodged stones or other signs of human involvement
were found." (Many thanks to Paul Anderson of Circles Phenomenon
Research-Canada for this report.)


LARGE TRIANGULAR UFO SEEN NEAR FROME, SOMERSET, UK

On Tuesday, August 18, 1998, at 5:48 p.m., James M. was walking
home from work in Frome, Somerset, UK when he looked up and saw
a triangular UFO crossing the sky. "It looked kind of
boomerang-shaped and black" and "traveled at the speed of a
military jet towards Trowbridge" in Avon.

"As an avid aviation fan for many years, I can tell the
differences between a MiG-29 and a (Sukhoi) Su-27 from 10,000
feet, so I am not wrong in telling people that what I saw is not
an aircraft" currently known to exist. "The weird part is that
it moved to the left about 500 yards without turning on its
'nose' and without tipping its 'wings' (banking--J.T.)  In fact,
it stayed on the same heading as before."

According to Bret C., the same UFO was seen by two witnesses in
Southwick, a village between Frome and Trowbridge the same
evening. (Email Interview)


GOLDEN UFO SPOTTED IN FOREST HILL, AUSTRALIA

On Tuesday, August 18, 1998, at 7:15 p.m., K.K. was "walking
towards my car after finishing with work when I saw a golden
colour object high up in the sky."  His sighting took place at
the intersection of the Burwood Highway and Springvale Road in
Forest Hill, Victoria state, Australia.

"Unlike a star, it was gleaming golden--bigger than a
star--perhaps half the size of the moon and also spherical in
shape," K.K. reported. "Just after I looked, the object
accelerated straight into the clouds and disappeared. I didn't
have time to call security or someone else to witness this
object. Hopefully, I will have enough time the next time around.
The object was moving very slowly, then shot off to the north at
a very high speed, but not in a straight line, more of a curvy
line. Half the sky was cloudy, the other half clear. The object
travelled from the clear half to the cloudy half. It was high
above the clouds." (Email Interview)


UFO CHASE WITNESSED IN PINE BUSH, NEW YORK

The evening of Wednesday, August 19, 1998, two men, R.D. and his
son-in-law, Chris, visited Pine Bush, N.Y. (population 1,445), a
notorious UFO hotspot, for a skywatch. They soon got more than
they bargained for.

"We were there about three hours when, at double tree height and
about two miles (3.2 kilometers) away, we observed a UFO that
was so bright we couldn't look at it through our binoculars,"
R.D. reported. The UFO "flew quickly towards us, passing within
one-eighth of a mile at outrageous speeds. It seemed to float in
the air rather than fly."

"Then, just as it was almost over our shoulders, it turned red,
sped up and then disappeared. There was no engine sound, no
trailing vapor and it was at 45 degrees (above the horizon).
Less than two mintes later, two jet fighters were flying as fast
as possible in the same flight path as the UFO."  The men
watched the jets with their binoculars until the aircraft passed
out of view. (Many thanks to Rev. Billy Dee of UFOSSI for this
report.)


BLACK SPHERE UFO SEEN IN ENGLEWOOD, COLORADO

On Friday, August 21, 1998, at 10:23 a.m., B.H. was "watching
the sky and observed a bizarre object for exactly 15 seconds" in
Engelwood, Colorado (population 29,837), a suburb just south of
Denver.

"I looked up and saw a bright glimmer, most along the lines of a
planet visible in daytime. It was bizarre in that it was a black
object, and that it would brighten to a silvery glimmer for a
second or two, and go back to black, then back to a silvery
glimmer.. It was black about 90 percent of the time."

"The object was first observed from the north side of Arapahoe
Road" by B.H. and another witness, "at about the 10,000-Block
East. Object was first observed in the south-southeast, nearly
in line with the Centennial Airport, about 30 degrees up (from
the horizon--J.T.)  It went up, causing me to suspect it was a
balloon, but it soon descended. There were clouds at five to ten
thousand feet, and the object passed in front of them. It
started to go east, although there was a slight ground wind from
the north."  (Email Interview)


CAVALLARI CAPTURES UFOs ON FILM OVER LAKE MICHIGAN

New York ufologist Alex Cavallari took color photos of orb-like
UFOs during his July trip to northern Michigan. On July 3, 1998,
Cavallari photographed a "standard white Orb" near Trout Lake in
Kalkaska County, 20 miles (32 kilometers) east of Traverse City
(population 15,800). On July 14, 1998, Cavallari was on the
shore of East Traverse Bay, near Traverse City, which is located
253 miles (405 kilometers) northwest of Detroit, and noticed
"flashes and streaks of white light above the treeline to the
west...As we were taking the pictures, we noticed a few small
Orbs hovering in the distance, so we took a few more photos.
Then they just vanished."

Later that day, Cavallari "decided to get off the beach and go
sit at one on the picnic tables. I was having a cigarette when I
watched a big amber-colored Orb appear almost directly in front
of the middle of the bay. It was about one or two miles away
(offshore). The Orb was also about four inches above" the bay at
that distance and looked to be "about one-quarter of an inch in
diameter."

He described the Orb as "almost yellow-orangish in color,"
adding that "we watched the Orb's appearance change to a very
bright white. This was just before it vanished. It was a solid
color. It did not blink or pulse. It was just light and it
remained the same intensity most of the time." (See UFO Hunting
in Michigan--July 1998, copyright 1998 by Alex M. Cavallari.
Alex is also a ham radio enthusiast and can be reached at
KB2NYV.)


UFOLOGISTS REPORT MORE BLACK HELICOPTER FLIGHTS

On Friday, August 7, 1998, a black helicopter overflew the
headquarters of XPI, a UFO study group, in Fayetteville, North
Carolina (population 75,695), a city on Highways 24 and 401,
approximately 65 miles (104 kilometers) south of Raleigh.

The following day, Saturday, August 8, Stefan Duncan, editor of
American UFO Newsletter and director of XPI, "was in the parking
lot of K & W" on Owen Drive in Fayetteville "when I saw a black
helicopter approaching from the north. This was a Stealth-like
helicopter. On the right side, below the body of the helicopter,
was a long pole with a roundish attachment."

As the helicopter came towards him, Duncan reported that he was
unable to observe or read any markins on the rotary-wing
aircraft.

"The helicopter continued for several hundred yards, then
stopped."  Duncan went to his car to get his video camera, "but
when I returned, the helicopter was gone." (See American UFO
Newsletter #16 for 1998. Many thanks to Stefan Duncan for this
report.)

On Wednesday, August 19, 1998, a male witness in Beaumont, Texas
(population 114,323), a city on Interstate Highway 10
approximately 88 miles (141 kilometers) east of Houston,
reported seeing "ten black helicopters with skids" beside a
dock. "They had unusual dome-shaped things on top of the rotor
hub."

On Thursday, August 20, 1998, Jeffrey S. Westover of Michigan
MUFON "observed today a black helicopter skimming at treetop
level along the (Interstate Highway) I-75 corridor" near
Saginaw, Michigan (population 69,100), approximately 101 miles
(162 kilometers) north of Detroit.

"I noticed a large black object traveling in a southerly
direction, northwest of my position," Jeff reported. "I
immediately identified it as a dark and large helicopter. Within
five or so seconds, it descended behind some trees, apparently
landing at a small airport nearby. Ten seconds later, I saw it
rise up from behind the trees and fly again to the south, this
time gaining altitude and far exceeding 500 feet  I got a nice
look at the big black military helicopter in cloudy conditions
at approximately 50 feet high and could see no markings
whatsoever on it." (Many thanks to Jeffrey S. Westover of
Michigan MUFON for this report.)

(Editor's Comment:  I saw the sketch Jeff attached to his
emailed report. It's a profile drawing of an AH-1 Cobra.)


MASSACHUSETTS LAUNCHES HELICOPTER STRIKE FORCE

Reports of black helicopters in Attleboro, Massachusetts
(population 38,383), an industrial city on Interstate Highway
I-95 about 30 miles (48 kilometers) south of Boston, turned out
to be a new state airborne strike force.

"The phrase 'Big Brother is watching' will soon have real
meaning to youths who gather near train tracks in this city
(Attleboro)."

"Beginning this weekend, helicopters will be making patrols in
Attleboro, and possibly Pawtucket (across the state line in
Rhode Island--J.T.) to be on the lookout for young people who
party on the many miles of commuter rail lines that cross the
city." "MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority--J.T.)
is initiating the patrols in conjunction with the Massachusetts
State Police."

"State police helicopters, at no cost to the MBTA, will begin
the people-seeking missions at dusk and continue well into the
night. The helicopters will be equipped with night-vision
devices and floodlights powerful enough to light up Foxboro
Stadium." (Editor's Comment:  At no cost to the MBTA, eh? Kind
of makes you wonder who's paying for these airborne operations,
doesn't it?)

"Three helicopters will take part in the nightly patrol. Each
will be carrying a state police pilot and co-pilot, as well as
one or two MBTA officers riding in the back who will be scouting
areas and directing ground parties."

"The patrols will cover Attleboro, Boston, Fitchburg, Foxboro,
Franklin, Haverhill, Ipswich, Lowell, Mansfield, Middleboro,
Needham, Plymouth, Rockland, Stoughton and Worcester."  (See the
Pawtucket, R.I. Times for August 3, 1998, "Last call for rail
drinks" by Anthony Marseglia, page one.)

"As the sun began to set Friday, a state police helicopter came
whirring into the city as the newest tool in the battle to keep
people away from the railroad tracks."

"By the time the operation was complete, seven people had been
arrested for trespassing on railroad property."

"Operation C.A.R.E., which stands for Commuter Air to Rail
Enforcement, is a cooperative effort the Attleboro police,
Massachusetts State Police and the police departments of the
MBTA and Amtrak." "The police station, as well as the
Sun-Chronicle, received some phone calls from residents
wondering about or complaining about the noise of the
helicopter. (Attleboro police Capt. Richard J.) Pierce said in
future missions that problem will be addressed." (See the
Attleboro, Mass. Sun-Chronicle for August 15, 1998, "'Copter
begins city patrol" by John Winters, pages one and two.)

(Editor's Comment: Why doesn't the Commonwealth of Massachusetts
simply change its name to Oceania and be done with it?)


MYSTERIOUS FIRE DAMAGES GODDARD SPACE CENTER

The SOHO mystery took a strange turn last week when a fire of
unknown origin broke out at the solar satellite's home base, the
Goddard Spaceflight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

The mysterious fire broke out on Wednesday, August 19, 1998 in a
shed on the property and rapidly spread to another building.
Responding to the call were firefighters of the Prince George's
County Fire Department.

The Goddard Spaceflight Center lost contact with the Solar and
Heliospheric Satellite (SOHO) in July. Six weeks of radio
silence ended when SOHO downloaded its stored electronic data a
few days before the fire.

SOHO is presently floating at the Lagrangian L-5 point, a region
of space about one million miles from Earth.

According to the AP story, fire department spokesman Chauncey
Bowers told the media, "We were able to stop the fire within 100
feet of the laboratories."

"One of the laboratories contained anhydrous ammonia, which can
explode if it catches fire and cause respiratory problems,
Bowers said."

"'Right now it looks as if there is fairly extensive damage,' he
said."

"The cause of the fire is not known. Bowers said that NASA did
not allow fire investigators to immediately survey the damage
because 'the building does contain some sensitive material.'"
(Many thanks to Steve Wilson Sr. for forwarding this news
story.)


from the UFO Files...

ENIGMATIC ENCELADUS

Seventeen years ago, on August 25, 1981, the spacecraft Voyager
2 had its close encounter with the planet Saturn and its moons.
Strangest of all the Saturnian moons is the small world of
Enceladus.

First discovered in 1789 by astronomer William Herschel,
Enceladus is the most geologically active of Saturn's moons.
"Enceladus is composed mostly of water, with the remaining
roughly 40 percent of its material being silicate rock."  The
moon "has a much more complex surface which is divided between
vast and ancient fields of impact craters, large smooth plains
and complex mountain ranges."

As Larry Soderblom of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory later
pointed out, "The oldest terrains on Enceladus are similar in
crater density to the cratered plains of Dione, which were
previously the youngest regions seen in the Saturn satellites."

According to the book VOTAGES TO SATURN, "The smooth regions of
Enceladus are probably at least ten times younger, meaning that
'parts of Enceladus that we see are younger than the age of the
dinosaurs on Earth.'"

Enceladus has a diameter of 311 miles (500 kilometers) and
orbits Saturn at a distance of 147,948 miles (238,100
kilometers).

"The remarkable aspect of Enceladus that a satellite of such
small size should have retained enough heat to keep the interior
fluid and allow these repeated outbursts onto the surface.
Indeed, it seemed impossible that primordial heat should still
be having such an effect."

(See VOYAGES TO SATURN, NASA Scientific and Technical
Information Bureau, 1982, pages 129 to 130, and THE ATLAS OF THE
SOLAR SYSTEM by Bill Yenne, Exeter Books, 1987, page 135.)

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               P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s

From: John Stepkowski <legion@MIRA.NET>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:43:13 +1000
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:13:25 -0400
Subject: P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s

Source: The Daily Telegraph (UK) (8-10-98)

'US Spying Balloons Were Based In Britain - Public Records'
by Ben Fenton

Years before the first satellites were launched, the United
States Air Force used Britain as a base for vast camera-carrying
balloons designed to spy on Russia, top secret files recently
released at the Public Record Office reveal.

The Americans planned to release 3,500 balloons between 1955 and
1956 which would float at heights of up to 60,000 ft. above the
Soviet Union with sophisticated cameras suspended in a 'gondola'
below them.

They had to release the balloons from bases in Europe and then
pick them up when they had floated all the way to the Pacific,
either plucking them from the air with specially adapted planes
or sweeping them up from the sea.

The details of Project 119L have never been reported before in
Britain and the files show that the RAF was extremely interested
in sharing the information on Russia's geography and military
strength and even developing their own balloon-surveillance
project.

Project 119L was disguised as a scheme to gather weather
information.

When the Soviets protested about the balloons, exhibiting
several they had shot down, the USAF merely apologised that the
balloons had 'floated off course'.

Bogus press releases were written and only the most senior RAF
officers were told what the operation was really about.

The British base judged most suitable for the operation was the
Royal Naval Air Station at Evanton, north of Inverness. Although
the Admiralty allowed the USAF to use the base, the papers show
that the RAF did not tell its naval colleagues the true nature
of the exercise.

In a paper written for the Chiefs of the Air Staff, Sqn. Ldr.
F.H. Martin, the RAF's liaison officer with Project 119L, gave
some idea of the scale of this project and its importance to the
Pentagon.

'About $68 million [more than pounds 650 million at today's
prices] have already been spent on research and the production
of some 3,500 balloons for the attempted photographic cover of
the Soviet Union,' he wrote.

'The USAF have calculated that some 68 per cent photographic
coverage of Soviet territory might be achieved through the use
of the balloons.'

Sqn. Ldr. Martin explained that the 128 ft. wide balloons, as
high as 20-storey buildings, carried a 400 lb. gondola packed
with the latest photographic equipment.

The heights they reached were supposed to make them invulnerable
to attack by fighters of the Soviet Union or its satellites.
Each camera was able to take hundreds of pictures and in theory
other instruments on board would record the speed and track of
the balloon so that the terrain photographed could be identified
later.

To recover the pictures, USAF C-119 aircraft would have to find
and recover the gondolas, which were bright yellow and designed
to float on water, once they had cleared Soviet territory.

The gondolas carried VHF beacons to guide the aircraft to them.
Then, the C-119 would send a radio signal causing the gondola to
detach itself from the balloon.

The aircraft were, in theory, able to recover the gondolas
either as they descended by parachute or pick them up from the
sea.

In the modern era, with satellite imagery taken for granted, it
is hard to appreciate how important the pictures were for the
Allied military.

As Sqn. Ldr. Martin put it: 'If the expected success rate is
achieved, then a highly effective method of peacetime aerial
reconnaissance of a potential enemy's territory will have been
evolved.'

So RAF officers were sent to America to learn about
'balloonology'. Their reports are detailed in the files,
originally intended to be kept secret, but released under the
Open Government Initiative.

At the same time, a team of 100 American technicians went to RAF
Edzell, near Montrose in Tayside.

The trials were not successful, with most of the balloons
bursting at 80,000 ft., but other tests in Germany went better
and it was decided to move Project 119L into full gear.

Two bases in Germany and one in Turkey were also used, although
a fifth base in Norway was closed before it could get started
when the government in Oslo became worried that their point of
origin could be guessed by the Soviets.

As RNAS Evanton went into action, Maj Gen Roscoe Wilson,
Commander of the US 3rd Air Force, wrote to Sir William Dickson,
Marshal of the RAF, to emphasise the need for security and
telling him about the 'weather balloon defence'.

He wrote: 'It is believed that this cover story will be
acceptable in view of past publicity given balloon launchings by
the USAF.

'It is recognised that stray balloons may fall in Soviet areas.
In this eventuality, the balloons will be identified as USAF
meteorological research balloons.'

In fact, a lot of the balloons never made it across the Iron
Curtain, crashing close to their release points or blowing off
course. In their first two months of operation, the balloons
caused a spate of UFO sightings in Scotland and Germany.

But by Jan 1956, five had already been shot down by the Czech
air force, dashing the hopes that their balloons would be too
high for Warsaw Pact fighters to reach.

The Soviets displayed others, claiming that they represented a
concerted spying campaign.

In March 1956, however, the operation was scrapped. But the
reason for its abandonment was not embarrassment but the poor
results.

Air Vice Marshal R.B. Lees wrote to the Chiefs of the Air Staff,
saying: 'A total of 461 balloons was launched, just over half of
which were estimated to have penetrated airspace above Russia
and her satellites.

'Of the 123 which were thought to have crossed the Pacific, 56
were electronically separated from their gondolas and of these
42 were recovered. It is possible that some of the missing 14
camera units may yet be recovered from the sea.

'The recovery rate is 10 per cent of all successful launchings.
This contrasts with an expected rate of 33 per cent.'






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                              Chinese Roswell?

From: Tina Coleman <coleman@netrover.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:46:33 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:40:26 -0400
Subject: Chinese Roswell?


Hi,

Does anyone know why the book "The Chinese Roswell" is not in
print yet? Somehow, I don't believe that they are having printing
problems.


Tina






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                   Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:02:44 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:46:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON


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>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
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>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON
>Date: 25 August 1998 15:06

>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:23:56 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Nick Humphries <nick@the-den.clara.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: P-1947: Walt's Woes - The Decline of MUFON
>>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:06:08 GMT

>>The fact is that time is ufology's worst enemy - many 'landmark'
>>cases are now solved or very close to being solved as more and
>>more information comes out. For fear of stepping on many
>>high-profile researchers on this list, I'll only give these as
>>examples:

>>- the Thomas Mantell incident...

>Most people have agreed on this one for much longer than since
>the 1980s.

>As for the rest of the cited cases, while they may have received
>a lot of publicity, they have contributed little or nothing to
>ufology, and frankly wouldn't be considered 'landmark' cases.
>Now Socorro, or Levelland, or Exeter... well, those are landmark
>cases, and they remain as unsolved today as they did when
>witnessed.

Not to mention Rendlesham, Cracoe Fell (a big case in the UK
during the 1980s) and every one of the half-decent triangular
'UFO' cases that relate only to military aircraft.

Belgium has also been solved to my satisfaction - an LTA test
vehicle operating from the UK. The McMinnville case we now
believe very strongly was a flight of a jet-powered 'flying
pancake' as was the Rouen photographic case of 1954.

Hudson Valley - LTA again!

As to jet-powered pancakes what do you think Rhoads photographed
in Arizona in 1947? I have a very interesting Project Sign
report of a very obvious jet-powered pancake-type aircraft from
1948.

>>The 'big cases' are falling apart, the 'little cases' aren't
>>that sensational, and until something 'big' happens, ufology is,
>>quite frankly, in deep-shit.

>Frankly, I have yet to see a bunch of researchers or interested
>persons walking around, heads hanging, muttering... "Oh, no, not
>Mantell... not Rendlesham... not Roswell - this breaks the back
>of ufology!"

We welcome identification of objects, demystifcation of UFOs...

>And, I don't see people doing that at MUFON meetings either.

Well MUFON is an alien believers club.....or isn't it?

>What I do see is that the "believers" don't need an
>investigative group, so MUFON doesn't do anything for them; they
>really want some sort of "we all believe together" new age
>encounter group. Unfortunately, a lot of those folks are in
>MUFON, and they are trying to turn it into what they want.

>The rational and scientifically inclined only have to attend one
>MUFON chapter meeting. They'll find someone wailing about the
>Face on Mars or that the US Government is trying to assassinate
>them because they know too much about UFOs, or trumpeting Corso,
>or talking about their mysterious 374th bedroom abduction or the
>strange mark on their arm. It will be a short time before they
>leave and decide this whole mess isn't worth being associated
>with. Those who grit their teeth and hang in certainly aren't
>going to invite anyone rational to join - it would be
>embarrassing to have acted as a reference.

Don't for one minute think that this is exclusively a US
problem.

In the UK a major reason that more people leave Ufology, in my
three years experience is entirely because the fringe loonies
run Ufology as a religion and NOT as a research based operation.

Research does not mean reading a few books and trotting out
their conclusions.

It means visitng the PRO, investigating cases, writing reports
etc etc. Over here about a dozen people do this whilst the rest
sit in smoke-filled rooms planning their next Conference.

Many UFO groups in the UK almost require you to have seen a UFO
and to have experienced an abduction! If you haven't or you
disagree with the mini-charismatics in charge your days are
numbered....

>I also don't see people walking around going "this isn't very
>interesting anymore", and I think the controversies on the mail
>lists don't suggest that either.

>>And it's no use crying about the fact that most of mainstream
>>science ignores the subject - look at yourselves and you'll see
>>why. All the researchers are divided according to pet theories,
>>there is no 'universal truth', there are no standards to speak
>>of and there is no policing of the whole field. Get your house
>>in order, stop bickering and try and find the common ground as
>>this (if there is any) will probably bear the most fruit.

Exactly and look at the unwillingness of Ufology to finally
admit that the military has been using Ufology for decades in
order to have a ready made excuse for the
testing/operation/experiments with new types of aircraft and
propulsion systems...

>I'm getting really tired of the whining about the state of
>ufology, not that anyone probably cares. But, if you don't like
>the state of it, do something on your own to improve it. Stop
>nattering on about "cleaning house" or silencing the whackos.
>Instead, outproduce them. Produce as much good research as they
>produce dreck, and then produce more. If someone comes along
>with wild eyed theories, hold them to a standard of proof. If
>they can't meet it, everyone will know what they are.

But they just ignore it because this is belief in action.

>The problem isn't the absence of a "universal truth", it's that
>people keep expecting one. The answer to this problem isn't
>going to be handed to us, the theories to explain small parts
>have to be proven before the big global theories, and the real,
>hard, down in the trenches analysis and research has to be done,
>but isn't being done enough. Frankly theories like PNH, CSH, and
>even ETH are still premature - they're like doing cosmology
>before doing physics.

Perhaps ideology is a universal problem.....?

>There are enough possibilities for experimental, statistical and
>quantitative research to keep even amateur scientists busy well
>into the next millenium. But there's a certain fear of
>committing to that kind of work, and it's sad. Especially when
>you realize we don't need multi-million dollar particle
>accelerators or radio detectors to do it.

>>Some sort of unification is the key, otherwise the subject is
>>doomed to the fringe for the forseeable future.

>What, make an organization bigger and more heterogenous than
>MUFON? That's supposed to attract people to ufology?

No; have no organisation and learn to think for yourself!

>I don't think so.

>Make bigger and more global theories and punish the heretics
>with stoning? I don't think so.

No, just burn copies of 'Top Secret/Majic'. Sorry, that's not
funny.

I really don't mean it!!!







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                       Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo

From: Jeff Rense <eotl@west.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:40:08 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo


>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:32:29 +0100
>From: dledger@ns.sympatico.ca (Donald  Ledger)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFO*BC - Yukon 'Orbs' Photo

>> From: Bill Oliver" <boliver@direct.ca>
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: UFO*BC - Yukon Orbs Photo
>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:55:17 -0700

>> We have just posted a remarkable photo and report from the
>> Yukon. these are some of the most interesting photos I have seen
>> yet.

>> Your feedback is welcome.

>> Take the time to read the report thoroughly and have a look at
>> the many different blow-ups in the article.

>> Check it out at:

>> http://www.ufobc.org or http:www.sightings.com

>Hi Bill and list,

>Apparently the  www.sightings.com folder doesn't exist, according
>to the message I just received.

>Don


Hi Don,

The story of the Yukon orbs and photo is found in the

www.sightings.com

'Headline' section as: "UFO Orbs Captured Clearly Over Yukon
Lake"...it's a direct link to UFO*BC.

Hope this clears up the confusion.








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             Re: P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s

From: Donald  Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:31:58 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:08:04 -0400
Subject: Re: P-1947: US Spy Balloons Launched From UK In 50s


>Date:  Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:43:13 +1000
>From: John Stepkowski <legion@MIRA.NET>
>Subject: "U.S. Spy Balloons Launched From U.K. - 1950s"
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Source: The Daily Telegraph (UK) (8-10-98)

>'US Spying Balloons Were Based In Britain - Public Records'
>by Ben Fenton

>Years before the first satellites were launched, the United
>States Air Force used Britain as a base for vast camera-carrying
>balloons designed to spy on Russia, top secret files recently
>released at the Public Record Office reveal.

>The Americans planned to release 3,500 balloons between 1955 and
>1956 which would float at heights of up to 60,000 ft. above the
>Soviet Union with sophisticated cameras suspended in a 'gondola'
>below them.

>They had to release the balloons from bases in Europe and then
>pick them up when they had floated all the way to the Pacific,
>either plucking them from the air with specially adapted planes
>or sweeping them up from the sea.

<snip>

Hello John,

A very interesting posting. No doubt many UFO reports in the UK
and western Europe could be attributed to these launchings.
Other than the testing of these baloons in North America it's
doubtful that many such UFO reports would have been generated in
Canada and the United States. Unless of course the Soviet Union
was doing the same thing and were more successful at it:-) To my
knowledge we never caught them at it.

Don





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               Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK?

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:47:14 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:08:13 -0400
Subject: Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK?


Dear All,

My colleague Sandra Grundy (sandra.grundy@virgin.net) informed
me today that several intriguing sightings of 'anomalous lights'
had been reported in the Earby area on the Lancashire/Yorkshire
border in recent weeks. Sandra visited the witnesses and learned
that on consecutive Saturdays (15th and 22nd August '98) a most
peculiar 'plasma-like' orange light was seen by a number of
witnesses.

The objects were said to be up to 30ft in length and appeared to
have an 'undulating' and 'skipping' motion. They appeared to
perform sharp turns and eventually disappeared into a
valley.....

Given that this area is known for sightings of so-called 'earth
lights' there is a possibility that we may be on the verge of a
new outbreak. However, Sandra and the small Lancashire UFO
Society investigations team is trying to get hold of as much
information as possible.

Over the next few days they will be in the area and they hope to
be able to present more detailed information soon.

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                 Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:54:43 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:08:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations

>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:40:29 -0700
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Angela Shilling <ashill@skipnet.com>
>Subject: Brother Blue interview on #Visitations

--------------------------------

>Message From Brother Blue:

>It is necessary, my dear friend, to give you a clear idea of the
>interior Community of the Blue Brethren (B:.B:.) which is
>scattered throughout the Universe, but which is governed by One
>Truth, united in One Spirit and filled to overflowing with Love
>and Light.

>This Community possesses a Sublime Lodge, in which all who
>thirst for knowledge shall be filled; as all the Mysteries of
>the Cosmos are revealed through her in full measure unto these
>Holy Children of Light.

<snip>

>Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren
>Sacerdotal Knights of National Security

<snip>

>"All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong."

Oh? I'll bet many on this list have Brother Blue "scoped-out"
just right.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch








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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:08:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:29:03 +0100
>Subject: Comments on Bruce Maccabee's Video Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>Taking Dr. Maccabee's analysis and assessments (dated 15 Nov
>1997) a little bit further, and also utilising some of his
>results, I have below listed some of the most likely
>explanations to the unidentified "object" (UO) in question
>(i.e., an "object" is our interpretation and what the picture


I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
video which suggests a video hoax. Someof that evidence is
directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two
other frames, left side, the building images are blurred or
smeared in the vertical direction by vertical hand motion.

In each of these 4 frames (2 sharp, 2 smeared) there are also
images of the UO (unidentified object).

I challenge the reader to find any difference in blur between
the 4 UFO images in these frames. If the UO were a real object
"out there" its edges should be blurred by hand vibration just
as the building edges are blurred.

Note: Jeff Sainio has already "gone public" with the claim of
hoax based on evidence such as this. It was publicized on CNN
News in July and again in the recent MUFON Journal

The reason it took so long to discover these fingerprints of
hoax is that they were well "disguised" by the fast shutter
(short exposure time) used to make the video.






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                      Re: Help Needed to Locate Article

From: Tom Benson <sparkle@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:07:41 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:36:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Help Needed to Locate Article


>Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:04:40 -0400
>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Help Need to Locate Article

>I would like to locate the following article:

>The TRUE Report Flying Saucers. #1 1967
>Why Don't The Damn Things Swim - So on We Can Turn Them Over To The
>Navy?

>Ruppelt, Edward J.
>Fawcett Publishers, Inc.,
>Louisville, Kentucky.

>I am interested in reading it - original, photocopy, scanned text,
>any will suffice. If you have a copy or know where it can be located
>please contact me.

>Thanks,

>Gary Alevy
>galevy@pipeline.com

Gary:

I have complete runs of most of the 50's-90's Flying Saucer/UFO
periodicals. I'll make a photocopy of the above article for you.
If you get it sooner, let me know.  I also need your mailing
address

Tom Benson
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                      Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:33:52 -0400
Subject: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
somebody knows about this:

Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research


From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT


Associated Investigator's Report #1

The Fund for CIA Research?
or
Who's Disinforming Whom?


One of the nation's leading sponsors of UFO research and
investigations, the Fund for UFO Research, has had a
long-standing secret relationship with the CIA and the U.S.
Intelligence community. Dr. Bruce Maccabee, an optics and laser
specialist with the Naval Surface Weapons Laboratory near
Washington, DC, one of the Fund's founders and members of the
group's Executive Committee, has been secretly meeting with CIA
officials since 1979, briefing them about various UFO matters
and investigators.

In a recent interview, Maccabee confirmed that he has given a
number of briefings on UFOs at CIA Headquarters at Langley,
Virginia, the most recent of which was on Friday, May 28, 1993,
just before the Memorial Day weekend. While the latest
presentation was primarily about "residual magnetic effects"
alledgedly discovered after an incident near Gulf Breeze,
Florida, other meetings with the CIA have involved such matters
as "MJ-12," the Roswell incident, purported UFO photos and
films, physiological effects on UFO witnesses, psychic phenomena
and UFO researchers.

Maccabee described one meeting at a CIA conference room that he
said was "standing room only," in which he briefed CIA personnel
on the supposed super- secret "MJ-12" group detailed in
"documents" revealed by William L. "Bill" Moore, a person who
subsequently claimed to be a government disinformation agent. At
the same time and for undisclosed reasons, Maccabee briefed the
CIA men on the CIA's own UFO files released under the Freedom of
Information Act (FOIA).

<snip>

Clear & Present Danger

Perhaps the single most troubling episode involving Dr.
Maccabee's connection with the CIA was his removal of his long
time friend Larry Bryant from the Fund for UFO Research. Larry
Bryant, another of the Fund's founders, was present at a meeting
when Maccabee revealed that he had obtained FBIS (Foreign
Broadcast Information Service) translations from the CIA, and
subsequently submitted a FOIA request to the Agency for other
UFO-related FBIS reports. For some reason, Bryant's request
angered the CIA, and Maccabee was scolded by Pandolfi, who
stated that Bryant's action "could jeopardize the _Fund's
relationship with the CIA_." Shortly, Bryant received a "Dear
Mr. Bryant" letter from Maccabee terminating Bryant's membership
in the Fund.

Sadly, this appears to be yet another example of Maccabee
valuing his relationship with the CIA more that he values the
friendship and services of a long-time associate like Larry
Bryant, a man whose credentials as an anti- secrecy activist
have been established over 35 years of dedication to the cause,
often at great peril and expense to himself.


Maccabee Disinforms FUFOR

Apparently at the same time Maccabee was making great effort to
brief members of the CIA on various UFO matters, he did not feel
the need to extend the same courtesy to other members of the
Fund for UFO Research. The results of a cursory poll of other
members of the Fund regarding Maccabee's intelligence contacts
indicate that none of the Fund members were fully aware of his
dealings with Pandolfi. Some of the members knew he had made
overtures to the CIA and others were vaguely aware of contacts
and briefings but none were aware of the full extent of these
contacts.

When Maccabee's activities with the CIA were brought to the
attention of Richard Hall, the Fund's newly elected chairman,
Hall said that he and a couple of other Executive Committee
members had attempted to discourage Maccee's overtures to the
CIA. Hall agreed that Maccabee's CIA connections would create
the appearance of impropriety and were an obvious conflict of
interest. Hall also said that he was equally perplexed by some
of the UFO cases that Maccabee had promoted such as Gulf Breeze
and the "Guardian" case.

Hall said that Maccabee's views no longer represented the views
of the ruling body of the Fund and indicated that he would have
to take steps to sever ties between the Fund and the U.S.
Intelligence community.


In Summary

Apparently all Maccabee has gotten for 14 years of cooperation
with the CIA is a handful of FBIS translations of Soviet news
accounts of Russian UFO sightings. These same reports were
evidently leaked to the U.S. news media by the CIA, perhaps in
an effort to embarrass the Soviets. The same type and quality of
information can be had by simply monitoring CNN. The actual FBIS
translations are available by region through the National
Technical Information Service for several hundred dollars annual
subscription fee, no special access is required.

We submit that it is improper for Dr. Maccabee either as an
individual or as a representative of the Fund for UFO Research
to maintain any manner of clandestine relationship with the
Central Intelligence Agency. It is improper for the Fund to
portray a contentious image concerning past and present secrecy
surrounding government UFO information while Dr. Maccabee has
this ongoing secret dialogue with CIA employees. It is improper
for the Fund to solicit evidence of government UFO cover-up and
invite people to come forward with proposals to investigate such
matters while one of the Fund's top officials is briefing CIA
officials on the latest developments. How can the Fund be
trusted to protect the proprietary interests or privacy of those
seeking to compel CIA disclosures when its most important member
is in regular contact with employees of the Directorate of
Science & Technology, CIA ? We call upon other responsible
members of the Fund for UFO Research to take appropriate action.


Regards

Alex Franz
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               Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:50:35 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:27:34 -0400
Subject: Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own


Source: The Sunday Times.

Stig

*******

Sunday August 23 1998 =BF=BF=BF


NEWS: BRITAIN

Science finds 'guard' planets that could hide new worlds
by Steve Farrar


ASTRONOMERS may have found evidence for the existence of solar
systems similar to our own that could contain planets capable of
sustaining life.

Two teams of scientists have been tracking giant gaseous planets
that may be part of systems sophisticated enough to allow the
existence of Earth-like worlds.

So far, all planets discovered outside the solar system have
orbited too close to their suns, an arrangement that experts
believe precludes those systems from having smaller inhabitable
worlds.

But if either team's preliminary calculations prove to be
correct, they may have detected planets less than 100 light
years away that behave like Jupiter, by far the biggest planet
in our solar system.

Jupiter is five times more distant from the Sun than the Earth,
with an orbit that takes 11.9 years to complete.

Most scientists agree that its position so far from the Sun
allowed it to play a key role in making the conditions on Earth
suitable for life, by sweeping up asteroids and comets that
might otherwise have had catastrophic impacts with inner
planets.

For other solar systems to stand any chance of developing the
complex and fragile planetary infrastructure capable of
sustaining life, they, too, would need guardian planets like
Jupiter.

Geoffrey Marcy, an astronomer at San Francisco State University
leading one of the teams investigating the planets, said: "The
search for a Jupiter twin is the primary motivation of our
project. It will help answer the underlying question: how unique
is our own solar system?"

Marcy said that his team's survey of hundreds of nearby stars
had revealed two that had had signs of Jupiter-like planets, but
added he needed to study their motion for at least three more
years to be certain. "Their existence has not yet been proved,"
he said.

Michel Mayor, an astronomer at Geneva Observatory in
Switzerland, who found the first planet outside the solar system
in 1995, told a conference in July that he had detected another
with the largest orbit yet recorded - 4.4 years - around the
star 14 Herculis. But he said it was still too early to be sure
they had anything better than this.

"We have a candidate long-period planet but we do not know
whether it is a real effect - it could be a double star and it
is certainly premature to say we have found it. We have to be
patient," said Mayor.

Since Mayor's first discovery, astronomers have announced the
detection of at least 10 giant gaseous planets - smaller,
Earth-like ones have so far proved too tiny to detect - orbiting
around Sun-like stars.

None of these worlds has actually been seen as they are far too
dim for even the biggest telescope to spot.

Instead, scientists have been able to deduce their presence by
studying the subtle influence of their gravity on the far
brighter stars that they orbit - distorting the way they move
like an Olympic hammer-thrower spinning around before the hammer
is released.

A number of teams have made accurate measurements of the motion
of nearby stars, looking for the telltale wobbles that betray
the presence of a planet.

So far most have been found to make a complete orbit in a matter
of days or months, according to John Hearnshaw, professor of
astronomy at Canterbury University in New Zealand.

"That means orbits that are quite close to their parent stars,
comparable to Mercury's distance to the Sun," said Hearnshaw.

The position of these gas giants is critical. Scientists believe
these heavyweights form in the outer reaches of a planetary
system and that those found to date have since spiralled
inwards, destroying any other planets between them and their
star.

Final proof of the existence of these distant planets will come
with the launch of the European-led Darwin Mission in about
2010. Six giant telescopes will be put into space with the
capacity to detect the faint light they radiate. They will also
be able to analyse emissions of infrared light to reveal the
composition of gasses that dominate their atmospheres and hunt
for the possible signature of the chemistry of life.

Stuart Clark, an astronomer at Hertfordshire University and
author of Extrasolar Planets: The Search for New Worlds, said:
"Within 15 years, we will know whether there are habitable and
possibly even inhabited worlds in neighbouring planetary systems
to our own - and that is an astounding thought."


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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:27:07 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:42:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
> From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
> Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>               Investigadores y Observadores de
>               Naves Extraterrestres
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>somebody knows about this:

>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research


>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT


>Associated Investigator's Report #1

>The Fund for CIA Research?
>or
>Who's Disinforming Whom?

<snip of a great deal of crapola>

This thing surfaced a number of years ago from an anonymous
source. It was junk then and it is junk now.

KRandle






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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #266

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:40:41 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:51:08 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #266

Apology to MW #266 (For August 26, 1998)

A part of the beast that keeps saucers away is the stuff we call
*News*, or the lies of the day. It's pretty, and structured, and
sounds like it's righteous, but reality shows it's contrived
and, yes, fatuous. It dodges the truth in a mix of thin dreams
-- distorts with commercials while ignoring Earth's screams. The
Earth is in peril within and without; we settle for tabloids --
a weather girl's pout. We're threatened by asteroids, imperiled
with storms, we spin in a bleakness that CAN'T be the norm! The
face of the sun is aswarm with dark spots, but the news is of
Monika -- a blue dress that she's got.

Surf the thin wave of the gruel that is cable. See that
pervasion if you can -- if you're able; it's OJ and Diana and
Monika's spooge stain. It distracts from the alternative, an
ecological freight train. The cars are disaster, starvation --
hard times. The caboose is a bomb, and it splashes through
slime. But we watch the news, so we're dazed and confused ,
defused, abused, and finally contused. Our eyes, then, where
they want them -- on a tricked out bed of nails that is living
meager livelihood, and all the spending that entails.

The talking heads are quick to teach some proper channels for
your thinking, and the news is but a section of the whole. The
job's *affect* cognition -- key you in (by harsh intention) . .
. distracted, then, from what it was they stole.

They stole your sensibility. They stole your self respect --
they stole to feed the monster of the stuff astride their backs.
They stole from your foundation -- built your castles in the
air. They tickled *hated* genitals so's to move you in up there.
Call it *news* or *entertainment* -- infotainment if you'd
rather; it's a mass prevarication, shameful twaddle, harmful
blather. Try to eat the entertainment when you thirst for real
news, and your teeth will close on nothing, likely shatter --
and you lose. They stole from sight the saucers that would fill
the daytime skies. They obfuscate the honest folk unmasking lies
they find.

News is but a mouthpiece for elitists we behold -- the ones who
own the meter, the ones with all control. The unelected
boss-man, the one who sets the tone, the one that shafts you
endlessly -- its _you_ endures the bone. He makes you earn a
small respect while kicking in your knees. He has his way
completely. He does as _he_ would please. He owns the news day
system, or his Doctors work for free! He writes your harsh
morality, then charges you it's fees. News is a misnomer; it's a
show you see -- you see? There's nothing new about it, it's been
made for you and me. And it makes a lot of nothing, and ignores
the real tale. You're in a prison of your mind -- a contrived
but solid jail.

The *NEWS* works hard to keep you from the subtle, awful truth.
There's little that they _can_ report -- they're muzzled, and
abstruse . That's why they fill the air waves with a blend of
'dresses blue', or the sex acts of a president they serve up to
me and you. The truth would storm their castles if their books
were wide -- laid bare. It would tear down jealous battlements
of the past without a care. Truth lays the blame, isn't tame,
shan't be lame, or be the same. It's stands apart within my
brain, avoiding fame, or hapless shame.

It's true. It hides the saucers, _and_ our future from our
senses. Ministrations of elitists, through the news, perceived
as senseless. The watchers are repelled anew with each new lie
they witness, and are frightened with the conduct or the manner
of our business. The *NEWS* is just the corporate with a product
it must sell. It doesn't really matter that it stinks, or reeks
and smells. It can even be most incomplete, salacious, and
conforming; as long as it still sells the soap, it could _even_
be forthcoming.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Restore John Ford


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afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
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             Re: Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK?

From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:46:17 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:08:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Unusual Aerial Objects In East Lancashire, UK?


Dear All,

Regarding these "anomalous lights", reference is made to
Project Hessdalen, Norway:

http://www.hiof.no/crulp/prosjekter/hessdalen/index.html

As also referred to in my previous mail dated 21 August (Re:
Comments on Bruce Maccabee's Video Analysis; Mexico City Disc),
please also check:

http://indy.hiof.no/~hessdalen/ams/index.shtml

There may be some similarities here!

Best regards,

AWS






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             P-1947: Eberhart's Geo-Bioliography in Print Again

From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:50:50 -0700
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:04:56 -0400
Subject: P-1947: Eberhart's Geo-Bioliography in Print Again

George Eberhart's "A Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies" is available
again. See the barnesandnoble.com website for information.


--
Jan Aldrich
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http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
Telephone: (860) 546-9135

_______________________________________________________

The following added by Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto
_______________________________________________________

Source: www.barnesandnoble.com

Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies:
Primary Access to Observations of
UFOs, Ghosts, and Other Mysterious
Phenomena
George M. Eberhart

Our Price: $105.75

Please note: This title needs to be ordered directly with the
publisher and usually ships within 3-5 weeks. There are
occasions where the titles may go out of print or the publishers
may no longer carry stock. If we cannot fill your order, we will
notify you within 1-2 weeks.

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:52:15 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:43:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:27:07 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>>              Investigadores y Observadores de
>>              Naves Extraterrestres
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


>>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>>somebody knows about this:

>>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research


>>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT


>>Associated Investigator's Report #1

>>The Fund for CIA Research?
>>or
>>Who's Disinforming Whom?

><snip of a great deal of crapola>

>This thing surfaced a number of years ago from an anonymous
>source. It was junk then and it is junk now.

>KRandle


Thank you, Kevin!

The "anonymous source" was the notorious Walter Todd, Zechel,
ufological golden boy 20 years ago who subsequently faded into
oblivion.







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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>              Investigadores y Observadores de
>              Naves Extraterrestres
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>somebody knows about this:

>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research


>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT


>Associated Investigator's Report #1

>The Fund for CIA Research?
>or
>Who's Disinforming Whom?



This material is typical net recycled garbage. Evidently Alex
Franz didn't find the response in Don Allen's _next_ message on
alt.paranet.ufowhich I reproduce here:

.........................................
From: Don.Allen@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Hot Air - 1/11
Date: 31 Aug 93 07:00:13 GMT
Organization: Paranet Information Service, Denver, CO (303) 431-8797


 * Forwarded from "UFO"
 * Originally by Don Allen
 * Originally to All
 * Originally dated 31 Aug 1993, 0:36


Dear Folks,

What follows is Bruce Maccabee's rebuttal to the recently posted
AIR #1 Report put out by the 'Associated Investigators Group'.
In addition, are two letters, one by Richard Hall, the current
chairman of the Fund For UFO Research (FUFOR) and one by Bill
Moore, that are also rebuttals to the AIR report. (There is also
the report published in UFO Magazine and a letter from Mark
Harris who lived with Todd Zechel's family for a while and got
to know Todd.Harris' opinion of Todd is not exactly favorable!)

Bruce Maccabee's letter contained extensive use of italics.
These italics have been denoted within brackets [..] . I also
took the liberty of correcting small typo errors that appeared
in the original. Nothing major, and it doesn't affect the
content.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Aug 9, 1993


Dear Ufologist,

You have recently received a copy of the Associated
Investigator's Report (AIR) #1, "published" by the Associated
Investigators Group (AIG). This report was mailed directly to
over 100 people known to be interested in UFO research,although,
it was not mailed to me nor to many of the other "attackees"
discussed in the paper. The initial recipients subsequently
mailed copies to others. If you mailed copies to friends, please
also send each one a copy of this response.

A major part of the AIR report is concerned with my "secret"
association with the CIA. Other portions of the paper makes
generally disparaging remarks about me and several other noted
UFO researchers..

AIR #1 raises the question of whether or not my association with
the CIA impacted on my UFO investigations or on the activities
of the Fund for UFO Research. I can assure that that it did not,
as is more fully described in the enclosed paper. I feel no need
to 'defend' my CIA association, inasmuch as it is not based on
UFO research, but rather on professional activities related to
my work for the Navy, which is totally unrelated to UFO
research. I have written this paper to clarify my association
with the CIA and also for another reason which is probably of
more importance to ufologists who may be recipients of further
AIG reports.

The claim made in the AIR #1 (see the last page) that there are
no errors in the paper and this is followed by the "promise" (or
is it a threat?) of more "good" research to follow. In other
words the writer of AIR #1 claims for himself, and for the
Associated Investigators Group, godlike accuracy. This sort of
accuracy would, indeed be reassuring, if it were true,
especially in light of the AIR's which are promised on crashed
saucers, mind control, CIA projects, etc.

However, I have discovered numerous errors in the paper.
Therefore I feel it is my duty to inform the ufo community that
this paper is not as accurate as one might hope. Furthermore,
along with the errors is an overabundance of innuendo and false
logic. Hence I must caution the readers of this and future
papers against blind acceptance of what the AIR reports say.
I'm afraid that if this paper is any example, then we must be
prepared for a lot of hot AIR.

One more thing. The "ghost writer" of this paper is one Walter
Todd Zechel who was an important figure in UFO research about 15
years ago. His approach to the UFO subject was to do anything
which would advance his agenda, even at the expense and I mean
$$$, of other people. I know a number of people who suffered
economic loss as a result of WTZ's irresponsibility.


Bruce Maccabee
................................................................

Dear Alex:this was "put to bed" five years ago.Let it sleep.

As for the Mexico City video, it has evidence of hoax.






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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: David Furlotte <furry@nobelmed.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:29:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
>video which suggests a video hoax. Some of that evidence is
>directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
>from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
>the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two
>other frames, left side, the building images are blurred or
>smeared in the vertical direction by vertical hand motion.

>In each of these 4 frames (2 sharp, 2 smeared) there are also
>images of the UO (unidentified object).

>I challenge the reader to find any difference in blur between
>the 4 UFO images in these frames. If the UO were a real object
>"out there" its edges should be blurred by hand vibration just
>as the building edges are blurred.


Hi Group,

Quick question on the videographic "evidence" and the resultant
"investigation" of such.

Blurring as in Soft focus is being maintained as camera shift
from being handheld I take it?

I concede that this is all too possible however, is it also not
possible that we could be looking at a depth of field problem
and the camera focused on the UFO and left the building soft?

I'm not trying to say the stillframe is legit, I'm just asking
the question.

Errol, your comment on this as a professional videographer would
be appreciated.

Dave (Furry)








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                Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26

From: psa@direct.ca (Paul Anderson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:18:11 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:32:42 -0400
Subject: Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26


Circles Phenomenon Research Canada Update
August 26, 1998

Large Formations Reported in Manitoba
*Preliminary Report*j

Reports just received this morning (August 26) from
Chris Rutkowski (Ufology Research of Manitoba) and
Gordon Sopczak (CPR-Canada-Alberta and CCCS)
of "massive" formations in a field of oats south of Winnipeg,
in Manitoba.

Pictogram(s) consisting of multiple "circles, triangles and
crosses". Also "words" (?). Preliminary information at this
point. Chris is hoping to fly over later today.

Further details when available.

Also, will have aerial shots of Esterhazy, Saskatchewan
dumbell within next few days, plus additional photos of
Conquest and Outlook, Saskatchewan. Esterhazy has been
sampled, samples being sent to Levengood. Conquest and
Outlook will be sampled this week.

For further information or correspondence, contact:

Paul Anderson

Director
CIRCLES PHENOMENON RESEARCH CANADA
Affiliate of Circles Phenomenon Research International

Director
MILLENNIUM RESEARCH INSTITUTE

Representative
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Suite 202 - 2086 West 2nd Avenue, Vancouver, BC  V6J 1J4
Tel / Fax:  604.731.8522
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             Re: Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:43:15 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:19:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own


> From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:50:35 +0200
> Subject: Possible Evidence Of Solar Systems Like Our Own

> Science finds 'guard' planets that could hide new worlds
> by Steve Farrar


> So far, all planets discovered outside the solar system have
> orbited too close to their suns, an arrangement that experts
> believe precludes those systems from having smaller inhabitable
> worlds.

When reading this, it's important to remember the assumptions
which underlie it.

1) Detection of these planets is actually a detection of
irregularity in the proper motion of the star. This is assumed
to be caused by the gravitational field of one or more large
mass planets.

2) Present concepts of planetary formation only allow the
concentration of such mass in Jovian and super-Jovian planets,
which are primarily composed of gases. If such a planet were
closer to its sun, the heat from its sun would cause the
temperature to rise, and since that means that the speed of the
molecules of the gas would increase, a higher proportion of
those molecules would reach escape velocity, and the mass of the
planet would diminish. Therefore, astronomers theorize that
these large planets could not have formed close to their suns,
and that, therefore, their orbits had to have slowly spiraled
them toward their sun. Such a passage would supposedly cause
problems for potentially life-bearing planets closer to the sun
as the large planet moved through their orbits.

>Most scientists agree that its position so far from the Sun
>allowed it to play a key role in making the conditions on Earth
>suitable for life, by sweeping up asteroids and comets that
>might otherwise have had catastrophic impacts with inner
>planets.

>For other solar systems to stand any chance of developing the
>complex and fragile planetary infrastructure capable of
>sustaining life, they, too, would need guardian planets like
>Jupiter.

What bothers me about this is that "most scientists know" that
every planet in the solar system underwent a long and continuous
bombardment during the accretion period. Why the extension of
such a bombardment, due to the absence of Jovian planets, should
prevent worlds from developing life is a mystery to me. Let's
keep in mind that the universe is approx 15 Gyr old, while the
solar system is only about one third that age. Extension of the
late accretion period by another few billion years would still
leave plenty of time for early solar systems to develop life.

>The position of these gas giants is critical. Scientists believe
>these heavyweights form in the outer reaches of a planetary
>system and that those found to date have since spiralled
>inwards, destroying any other planets between them and their
>star.

This particular conjecture is not supported, in a number of
ways.

1) No examples of planets having "spiraled into their sun" are
known to us. For instance, the planets in our solar system seem
to have compositions which are consonant with their largely
having formed in their current positions. The same is true for
the major satellite systems. What unusual dynamic these
scientists expect to have triggered such massive planets to not
only shift orbit, but to enter a destabilized orbit which would
gradually spiral them into their sun, is hard to imagine. In
fact, it would seem that only an increase in the mass of the sun
would make that possible, or a very close approach by a
neighboring star (something which is considered so highly
unlikely that, though it was once favored as the sort of event
to create planets, it is now totally disfavored). Let's remember
- high mass = high inertia.

Further unexplained is why these planets continue to orbit their
suns, and why they have not completed their inward spiral, and
vanished, or formed such irregular orbits as to be ejected
entirely.

2) It is not clear that even a long period near co-orbit of a
Jovian planet and an earth-mass planet would cause the
destruction of the life bearing capability of the earth-mass
planet. Certainly, a collision is highly unlikely. In fact, the
primary danger would be that the orbit of the earth mass planet
might be disturbed sufficiently to move it out of the zone where
temperatures and solar flux are appropriate for the development
of life. However, I suspect the dynamical studies to support
this have not been done.

Conclusion:

Take this all with a pound of salt. The truth is that we really
know very little about what makes solar systems form, and what
makes planets habitable. One example is not a lot to work with.

------
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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:42:49 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:48:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: David Furlotte <furry@nobelmed.com>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
>>video which suggests a video hoax. Some of that evidence is
>>directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
>>from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
>>the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two
>>other frames, left side, the building images are blurred or
>>smeared in the vertical direction by vertical hand motion.>

>>In each of these 4 frames (2 sharp, 2 smeared) there are also
>>images of the UO (unidentified object).>

>>I challenge the reader to find any difference in blur between
>>the 4 UFO images in these frames. If the UO were a real object
>>"out there" its edges should be blurred by hand vibration just
>>as the building edges are blurred.


>Quick question on the videographic "evidence" and the resultant
>"investigation" of such.

>Blurring as in Soft focus is being maintained as camera shift
>from being handheld I take it?

>I concede that this is all too possible however, is it also not
>possible that we could be looking at a depth of field problem
>and the camera focused on the UFO and left the building soft?>

>I'm not trying to say the stillframe is legit, I'm just asking
>the question.

This is a dynamical problem: the preceding and following frames
have sharp building edges. That is why it took so long to find
vibration smeared frames that provide convincing evidence
without the much mre detailed analytical approach used by
Jeff Sainio (which was able to detect a much small amount of
effect in other smeared frames).

The point is, the camera would not give soft edges on the
building in one frame and 1/30 sec later give 'hard' edges on
the building as a result of focal problems (could not re-focus
that fast). If the UFO were 'out there' near the building
(beyond the building) the same focal properties would apply to
both the building and the UFO... i.e., focus at 'infinity' for
both. Both would be sharp or both would be soft at the same
time, with both changing focal quality in the same way with time
if the camera were to change its focus.

Note: except for the generally very slight image smear due to
canmera motion the images are very well focused throughout the
video.






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                 Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations

From: Pamela Stonebrooke <galactic_diva@telis.org>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:38:24 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:56:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Brother Blue Interview on #Visitations


>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:54:43 -0700
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Brother Blue Interview

>>Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:40:29 -0700
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Angela Shilling <ashill@skipnet.com>
>>Subject: Brother Blue interview on #Visitations

>--------------------------------

>>Message From Brother Blue:

>>It is necessary, my dear friend, to give you a clear idea of the
>>interior Community of the Blue Brethren (B:.B:.) which is
>>scattered throughout the Universe, but which is governed by One
>>Truth, united in One Spirit and filled to overflowing with Love
>>and Light.

>>This Community possesses a Sublime Lodge, in which all who
>>thirst for knowledge shall be filled; as all the Mysteries of
>>the Cosmos are revealed through her in full measure unto these
>>Holy Children of Light.

><snip>

>>Sublime Lodge of the Holy Blue Brethren
>>Sacerdotal Knights of National Security

><snip>

>>"All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong."

>Oh? I'll bet many on this list have Brother Blue "scoped-out"
>just right.

>Best wishes

>- Larry Hatch

And then some...only recently he posted a piece on the site
entitled "Reptoid Slut", confusing Pamela Hamilton's account
with mine. It must have been written by one of the darker schizo
"Children of Light".

When I asked that he either remove it, or at the very least be
accurate, the invective response was too profane to even repost.

I must have missed that One Truth by which the BB Community is
governed, united in One Spirit and filled to overflowing with
Love and Light. If all impressions of Brother Blue are indeed
wrong, perhaps that includes the one he has of himself.

Thanks for the vent...

Pamela





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               UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:17:14 +0200
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:18:19 -0400
Subject: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp


Source: The Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/9808/26/text/national11.html


Stig

*******

You know that flying saucer you reported? This is it


Date: 26/08/98


By JOHN HUXLEY


Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a plane. Or, overwhelmingly,
the most popular theory, it's a UFO.

In fact, that fluorescent, flying saucer-shaped object, which
has hundreds of Sydneysiders reaching for the telephone every
time it floats across the night skies, is an airship.

A big blimp which, far from carrying extraterrestrials, is
probably taking VIP visitors on a joy ride round the harbour or
positioning camera operators above major sporting events.

"No matter how many times we go up, we still get the same sort
of surprised reaction," says Shane Watkiss, blimp tour
co-ordinator. "People ring the police, jam radio-station
switchboards, get on to their local newspapers."

Mr Watkiss now makes a point of giving a Melbourne-based UFO
hotline advance warning of night flights.

"If I forget, the operator always comes on the mobile and says,
like, "Shane, you're flying again, aren't you?' He knows because
he's already had 50, 100 calls."

Last year, the British-built blimp, which is under contract to
American chocolate company Whitman's, was banned by the Federal
Government from flying over Sydney. The operators, the Lightship
Group, fought the decision through the Administrative Appeals
Tribunal and won. They say the failed entrepreneur Alan Bond,
whose airship operated over Sydney in the 1980s, gave blimps a
bad name.

"The Government argued that the airship was too noisy," recalls
Mr Watkiss. "But ours is smaller, much less noisy than the old
Bond blimps."

The 40-metre, helium-filled airship flies less like a plane than
a sailboat, pushed hither and thither by the merest puff of
wind.

"Compared to conventional fixed-wing planes, they're different,
and I'd say more difficult to fly," says 23-year-old pilot Mike
Dawson, one of only 40 active airship pilots worldwide. "I'm
told there are more astronauts."

As Bankstown air traffic control gives permission to take off,
and the ground crew lets go of the 20-metre ropes attached to
its nose, Mr Dawson increases the speed of the two 80-horsepower
engines. The bright, yellow and green blimp, which glows
translucently in the dark from the light of two 1,000-watt
globes, is pointed into the wind and climbs smoothly but steeply
towards Parramatta.

Mr Dawson sits in the gondola, constantly adjusting elevation
and direction with foot pedals and hand-operated "steering
wheels".

Cruising at up to 55km/h at a height of 500 metres, the blimp
rocks and rolls gently, drifting downwind, circuitously but
serenely making its way over Hornsby, St Ives, Manly and Middle
Harbour.

"You never tire of the views," says Mr Dawson, as he heads
towards the Harbour Bridge under supervision from Sydney air
traffic controllers.

But bad weather has forced Whitman's to ground the blimp several
times this month.

"Basically, we can't operate in low cloud or winds of over 20
knots on the ground," says Mr Watkiss. Just how tricky the winds
can be is demonstrated on the return trip. Once, twice, the
blimp is buffeted off line by light, variable winds as Mr
Dawson, aided by eight ground crew waiting to grab the nose
ropes, tries to land the blimp on the soggy Bankstown airfield.

On the third attempt, it is lowered lightly to the ground. Mr
Dawson insists airships are safer than planes: if both engines
fail it can be guided safely to earth.

Next Tuesday, the airship flies south to cover the Australian
football finals in Melbourne, before returning north for the
Bathurst 1000.


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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:27:16 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:24:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


Greg Sandow,

I have been a board certified and licensed psychologist in
California since 1960 and in private practice as a clinical and
consulting psychologist in Long Beach since 1962.

During recent years I have seen several individuals with
abduction stories, including recently a family of four
generations of very active abduction experiences. I find that
these people really are in need of understanding and support.

Unfortunately, many of my colleagues, both psychologists and
psychiatrists, have not had sufficient -- some not any! --
training to deal with these patients.

Perhaps there should be a specialty indication on the various
psychological association referral listings to indicate special
training in this area.

I will make that suggestion to those with which I am associated.

Do you have any other suggestions to address this problem?

J. Bond Johnson, Ph.D.





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                          'Crop Circles' Game Site

From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:28:35 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:38:42 -0400
Subject: 'Crop Circles' Game Site


Dear List,

I thought this might provide a giggle:

Figure out the mystery

This hilarious arcade game puts you in the cockpit of a
cow-powered flying saucer in Crop Circles - scour the earth for
clues to the mysterious circles.

http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/expa19980827/www.hotfiles.com/lpad/ccrop.html

Regards,

Leanne Martin






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              Re: Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:40:45 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:52:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Large Crop Formations in Manitoba - August 26


>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:18:11 -0800
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: psa@direct.ca (Paul Anderson)
>Subject: CPR-Canada Update: Large Formations
>         Reported in Manitoba - August 26

<snip>

> Reports just received this morning (August 26) from
> Chris Rutkowski (Ufology Research of Manitoba) and
> Gordon Sopczak (CPR-Canada-Alberta and CCCS)
> of "massive" formations in a field of oats south of Winnipeg,
> in Manitoba.

<snip>

> Also, will have aerial shots of Esterhazy, Saskatchewan
> dumbell within next few days

<snip>

Esterhazy, Sask. rang a bell with me

I looked it up in my *U* Database and found a sighting of
sorts on 27NOV1968.

Some "tabor lights" described as a dim glow followed people
around for a while. Graves were found robbed or vandalized.

This suggests the possibility of pranksters, at least back in
that era 30 years ago.

Source was the MUFON UFO Journal #235.

Best wishes

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:23 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:36:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>              Investigadores y Observadores de
>              Naves Extraterrestres
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


Dear List,

What a great read - especially when you follow the web-link!

I wonder if this is in any way a pointer to why Maccabee so
pointedly attacked my thoughts on the possibility that 'crop
circles' could be the product of secret space-based microwave
(or other) beam tests? Maybe the CIA have got him playing
watch-dog on this subject as well.

Who knows? It's only another theory . . .

Regards,

Leanne Martin
Computer Engineer @ WANG GLOBAL Australia








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                Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:31:12 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:13:52 -0400
Subject: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?


This is a bit off-topic, but may explain some nite-lite
sightings for the next few days..

Source: Time Warner's pathfinder.com

http://www.pathfinder.com/news/latest/RB/1998Aug27/12.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Solar winds blowing at more than a
million miles per hour hit the Earth's magnetic field on
Wednesday, sparking what U.S. government scientists say could be
a significant geomagnetic storm.

The U.S. Geological Survey said charged particles from a solar
eruption hit the Earth's magnetic field around 3 a.m. EDT (0700
GMT) and the resulting fluctuations in the field could cause
power outages, satellite failures, disruption in communications
and the aurora borealis.

Auroras are usually seen only in northern latitudes, but may
become visible in the continental United States during this
geomagnetic storm, the agency said.

While auroras are not as dramatic at mid-latitudes, they have
been described in the past as resembling city lights in the sky,
but in green, blue, and sometimes, red.

A severe magnetic storm in March 1989 caused the collapse of the
Hydro-Quebec power system in Canada, leaving about six million
people without power.

The U.S. Geological Survey operates 13 magnetic observatories
throughout the United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Guam and Puerto
Rico that continuously monitor the Earth's magnetic field.

REUTERS

Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited.















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                  'Government Should Release Data On UFOs'

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:27:34 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:31:44 -0400
Subject: 'Government Should Release Data On UFOs'


Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch
Date: Aug 26  1998
Header: Group believes: Government should release data on UFOs
Byline: Allison Schlesinger / Of The St. Charles Post


Bruce Widaman has advice for President Bill Clinton: Release all
the government's UFO information and the public will forget
about presidential infidelities.

Widaman, the state director of the Mutual UFO Network Inc., or
MUFON, said he was part of a growing population - those who seek
the truth and believe the government is keeping it from them.

A recent Gallup Poll suggests that about 72 percent of Americans
believe that life exists on other planets and 48 percent believe
that UFOs are real phenomena.

Another poll states about 40 percent of Americans believe that
the U.S. government is hiding UFO information from the public.

The serious believers of these statistics, like Widaman, belong
to MUFON. The national club, based in Seguin, Texas, has members
from every walk of life and is the world's largest UFO
membership organization.

At a recent monthly meeting of the Missouri MUFON chapter, held
at the Holiday Inn Select in St. Peters, the attendees were a
mixture of skeptics and believers.

Some members said they attend MUFON meetings because they, or
someone they know, have been abducted by aliens.

Others said they have too many unanswered questions about recent
scientific discoveries. The members' professions include
accountant, artist, florist and neuro chemist.

"We aren't political. We don't push an agenda," Widaman said.
"We just want to find out the truth."

Widaman is also quick to point out that this is not an
organization for kooks. None of the members in the local chapter
sees a psychologist or a psychiatrist for personality disorders,
he said.

Membership to the group is by invitation only and a special
board approves applications.

Walter Andrus, international director of MUFON, said the
organization is governed by a 21-member board of directors, most
of whom are doctors representing 45 areas of science,
technology, medicine and other professional fields.

Widaman leads an informal monthly meeting. He estimates that the
organization has about 200 members from Missouri and that about
two dozen make it to meetings.

Over dinner, they talk, either in small groups or all together,
about recent UFO sightings, scientific discoveries or
unexplained phenomena.

A regular, and well-known, member of the MUFON chapter is
Chrystal Jackson. The 75-year-old professional artist from
Ballwin said she was uncomfortable and skeptical about UFOs
until she was abducted by aliens.

Jackson said she was teaching a painting seminar in July 1981 in
northern Wisconsin when the abduction happened. She and her
family were driving at night when her son first saw a bright,
red-orange disk hovering in the sky about 300 feet away.

When the incident first happened, she said she was scared and
confused. The UFO seemed to control the car and she and her son
cannot account for 20 minutes of that night.

She said she now knows what happened that night and embraces the
experience. The aliens who abducted her were beautiful beings
who had a profound impact on her art, she said.

"We're brainwashed to believe that this is crazy and can't
happen," Jackson said.

Jackson hopes to publish a book about her experience titled "The
Doughnut Shop." She said she selected that name because Jackson
believes some aliens live on Earth and frequent doughnut shops.

But not all members of MUFON believe in alien abduction. In
fact, some members would prefer that their neighbors not know
about their sky-watching hobby.

"There are some things that no one can explain," said one member
of the organization who wished to remain anonymous. "Like, why
the government would spend so much money to investigate
something that they tell the public doesn't exist. So, I belong
to MUFON to talk about it. But would I want to talk to my boss
about all of this? I don't think so."

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:36:09 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:53:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:23 PDT

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>>              Investigadores y Observadores de
>>              Naves Extraterrestres
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc>


>Dear List,

>What a great read - especially when you follow the web-link!>

>I wonder if this is in any way a pointer to why Maccabee so
>pointedly attacked my thoughts on the possibility that 'crop
>circles' could be the product of secret space-based microwave
>(or other) beam tests? Maybe the CIA have got him playing
>watch-dog on this subject as well.

>Who knows? It's only another theory . . .


I suppose by now you have read my response to Alex.

The AIR report was part of a smear campaign carried out by a
disgruntled researcher name Zechel. The CIA has nothing to do
with it.

Your suggestion of microwave beams causing agriglyphs (better
name than crop circles) makes sense only if you or anyone can
show there is a source of microwave radiation of high intensity
from above.

There are radar satellites in orbit. They have the strongest
microwave signals from space so far as we know. Watts, maybe.

To create patters would require kilowatts or megawatts average
(not peak) power).

And they aren't designed to create complex patterns of radiation
on the ground.






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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:37:36 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:22:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:23 PDT

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


>Dear List,

>What a great read - especially when you follow the web-link!

>I wonder if this is in any way a pointer to why Maccabee so
>pointedly attacked my thoughts on the possibility that 'crop
>circles' could be the product of secret space-based microwave
>(or other) beam tests? Maybe the CIA have got him playing
>watch-dog on this subject as well.

>Who knows? It's only another theory . . .

Do you have any indicators that would suggest this as an
explanation, or is this based on pure speculation?

I'm not familiar with the thread mentioned, but know Bruce and
believe the speculation that he is the "watch dog" for the CIA
has no basis in fact.

Steve Kaeser






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                        1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting?

From: LADV57@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:43:39 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:23:46 -0400
Subject: 1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting?

[Non-Subscriber posting --ebk]

I am a 41 year old professional Bailbondsman. I am not taken to
flights of fancy, but all my life my parents told me of a
spacecraft that they observed (along with many neighbors) in
1953 in the Cape Canaveral area.

My Mother is still alive, and recounts the incident as vividly
as if it happened last night.

They reported it to Canaveral Naval Air Station (now Patrick AFB
- but were blown off as a bunch of kooks. Had my dad told her
this, she would have accused him of being drunk! But my mom is a
very moral, religious woman who I don't believe ever told a lie
in her life. This experiance shook her previous religious
notions, and changed her whole outlook on life for the better.

I know that some of the other people who witnessed this event
still live there and wonder if there was ever any official
record of this.

This was during the early days of the program, and the
neighborhood was comprised of Airstream travel trailers.

Do you have any ideas where i could look for some evidence of
this. It would be a nice closure to the episode before Mom
passes on.

Thank you for your time,

sincerely,

L.A. DeVane






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                       New Crop Formations In Manitoba

From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:27:30 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:27:30 -0400
Subject: New Crop Formations In Manitoba


Oakbank Crop Formations by Chris Rutkowski

UFOROM received a phone call on Wednesday, August 26, from a
reporter at a rural Manitoba newspaper, describing an extensive
new crop formation discovered in a field near Oakbank.

The formation was found on Monday, August 24, by some children
who told their parents that "something weird" was in the oat
field bordering their property. Initially not believing the
children, the parents eventually went to look and were amazed to
find a huge series of circles, corridors and lines in the field.

"I listen to Art Bell on Dreamland all the time," said Ted
Grant, whose hobby farm adjoins the oat field. "This looked
exactly like what they've been finding in the USA."

Another neighbour, Tim Barr, managed to get a view from the air
in a borrowed airplane.

"It was really incredible from the air," he said. "You really
could only get a good look at the whole thing from the air."

UFOROM representatives Chris Rutkowski and Radine Isfeld visited
the area Wednesday evening and confirmed the discovery of three
separate formations covering an area of more than 350 by 100
feet.

The first formation encountered was a bizarre "maze," consisting
of a number of pathways meandering between one another and
looping back to each other, one path finally terminating in a
small, 16-foot-diameter circle.

"It was better described as a 'drunkard's walk,'" said
Rutkowski. "it was not really a maze at all because you
certainly couldn't get lost following the paths. But it seemed
to twist and turn very randomly."

Directly east of this was a very regular "cross" of five
flattened circles. The central large circle was 30 feet in
diameter, with four smaller circles, approximately 20 feet in
diameter each, at the four compass points, connected to the
central circle with a narrow pathway.

Not more than ten feet away from this, again eastward, was a
triangular formation of three circles connected by broad
pathways. These circles were 30 feet in diameter and the
pathways were four feet wide.

The formations were crossed by two separate sprayer tracks (tram
lines). Each formation nearly touched a perimeter path which
runs around the entire field. The perimeter path separated the
oat field from the property lines and yards of all the hobby
farms in the area.

"I have no idea why anyone would have done this," said Grant.

More details to follow.


-- Chris Rutkowski - rutkows@cc.umanitoba.ca University of
Manitoba - Winnipeg, Canada





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              Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:16:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?


>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:31:12 -0700
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Solar eruption / geomagnetic storm..


>This is a bit off-topic, but may explain some nite-lite
>sightings for the next few days..

>Source: Time Warner's pathfinder.com

>http://www.pathfinder.com/news/latest/RB/1998Aug27/12.html

>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Solar winds blowing at more than a
>million miles per hour hit the Earth's magnetic field on
>Wednesday, sparking what U.S. government scientists say could be
>a significant geomagnetic storm.

>The U.S. Geological Survey said charged particles from a solar
>eruption hit the Earth's magnetic field around 3 a.m. EDT (0700
>GMT) and the resulting fluctuations in the field could cause
>power outages, satellite failures, disruption in communications
>and the aurora borealis.

>Auroras are usually seen only in northern latitudes, but may
>become visible in the continental United States during this
>geomagnetic storm, the agency said.

>While auroras are not as dramatic at mid-latitudes, they have
>been described in the past as resembling city lights in the sky,
>but in green, blue, and sometimes, red.

>A severe magnetic storm in March 1989 caused the collapse of the
>Hydro-Quebec power system in Canada, leaving about six million
>people without power.

>The U.S. Geological Survey operates 13 magnetic observatories
>throughout the United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Guam and Puerto
>Rico that continuously monitor the Earth's magnetic field.

>REUTERS

>Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited.


I hope that copyright is a typo or this is VERY old news.

Bob







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                     Michigantown, Indiana UFO Sighting

From: Kenny Young <task@fuse.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:52:43 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:12:29 -0400
Subject: Michigantown, Indiana UFO Sighting


UFO REPORT: Michigantown, Indiana

The National UFO Reporting Center, received a report from a man
who advised of a sighting approximately 3-miles north of
Michigantown, Indiana (Clinton County), where 2-witnesses
observed a most peculiar "circle of yellow lights descend
vertically down from the sky."

The object was reported to then rotate, tilt "upward," and
disappear back up into the sky.

NUFORC Director Peter Davenport advised of the UFO sighting late
Wednesday evening and stressed that the reportee wishes to
remain anonymous. For this summation, the witness will be listed
only as Mr. Stephenson.

Stephenson, an instructor of electronics, was contacted by
telephone around 9:50 a.m. on Thursday morning, August 27.

He said that while driving north along Highway 29 at around
10:15 p.m. on Monday, August 24, 1998, he and his nephew became
aware of an unusual object that was visually spotted low over
the roadway near their car.

"We watched these lights drop out of the sky... very, very close
to us at around 25 to 30 yards distant, it was 'powerline'
high," said Mr. Stephenson.

"Now that I think about it," he said, "it resembled the bottom
of a helicopter with two rows on the bottom of the base, but it
rotated and looked like a solid line of lights. It rotated 90
degrees and tilted vertically and then it went up and
disappeared."

The nephew, seated in the passengers seat, said that the object
appeared to him to be of a circular shape. "When it rotated, my
nephew said it was like a circle. He also thought the yellow
lights had a blue tint," Stephenson added.

Stephenson said the object was first seen low to the ground near
the roadway, probably a little higher than a powerline. It then
looked as if it was starting to 'go up' and in the split second
that he leaned forward to watch the object, it then just seemed
to rapidly ascend and disappear.

He drove on for a short distance and then stopped his car in
attempt to see the object again.

During the sighting, both Stephenson and his nephew were
cognizant that they were visually observing something unusual.
The duration of the event was around 5 or 6 seconds, and no
sound was heard in conjunction with the object. Stephenson
recalls that he even switched off his radio to detect any sound.

He drives the area routinely going to work, and the area is
comprised of several small country towns, large bean feilds and
cornfields. In the area near the sighting location, there are
about 3 or 4 cell-phone towers that could be seen in the
distance, spanning the horizon. Around 2 or 3 miles from the
sighting location, there are east-to-west powerlines crossing
Highway 29.

Mr. Stephenson said that he knows of no other witnesses, but
added that another car coming from the north and heading south
was within 1-mile of the object when it was sighted.

Stephenson said that there had been a severe storm earlier in
the evening and skies were 'pitch black' at about 6:30 in the
evening, but at the time of the sighting the sky was clear and
many stars were visible. The temperature was about 60 degrees,
but he had the air conditioner turned on in his car.

He talked to some friends about the unusual object later, and
after talking to some colleagues at work, decided to report the
UFO to the National UFO Reporting Center hotline directed by
Peter Davenport.

On Thursday morning at 9:40 a.m., The Clinton County Sheriff's
Office (765-654-5563) was contacted and the dispatcher who
answered was asked if any UFO sightings had been reported near
Michigantown. He was not aware of any UFOs being reported to his
department. The dispatcher took my number and said he would call
back if he had found any information for me.

The Frankfort Police Department (765-654-4431), the nearest
local department about 5-miles from Michigantown, was also
contacted. They also had heard of no UFO sightings.

There is no Michigantown Police Department, as everything is
dispatched through the county.

The descriptive characteristics of a flying object, near to the
ground with yellow-lights in a circular row, tilting and
disappearing, complicates our efforts to explain this in
conventional terms. This description, in addition to the
reported 'silent' performance, is not compatible with a
helicopter or other aircraft explanation. It sounds like an
interesting UFO report.

Michigantown is about 42.5 miles north of Indianapolis, Indiana.

Filed;
August 27, 1998
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From: Gerry Lovell" <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:14:02 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:58:08 -0400
Subject: Secret Military Base Inspires Curiosity, Theories


Source: The Detroit News
Date: Aug 27  1998
Header: Secret military base inspires curiosity, theories
Byline: Thomas Hargrove / Scripps Howard News Service


LAS VEGAS -- Many people who believe in UFO's also believe "Area
51" is where the Air Force keeps its stockpile of captured flying
saucers.

And maybe an autopsied alien body or two.

Others believe the military base in the southern Nevada desert
is the testing grounds for America's most secret military
machines, everything from the F-117 stealth fighter to
electro-magnetic pulse weapons that would make Buck Rogers
nervous.

What is certain is that there is something out there in that
moonscape property north of Las Vegas. Officially designated the
"Nellis Air Force Bombing and Gunnery Range" on Nevada maps, the
federally protected territory in Nye, Lincoln and Clark counties
covers an area equal to Rhode Island and Connecticut combined.

And more than 1,850 federal civilian workers are employed in
mostly well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high-security
facilities in and near the range, according to a Scripps Howard
News Service analysis of government payroll records maintained
by the U.S. Office of Personnel Management.

"This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the
United States. It used to be that the Air Force tried to pretend
that Area 51 didn't exist at all," said Jeff Moag, a researcher
for the National Security News Service based in Washington.

The Air Force last year conceded the existence of the base and
its position along dried-up Groom Lake when it released a
publication that suggested experimental Cold War-era aircraft
could have been mistaken for flying saucers.

At a Pentagon press briefing, Air Force Col. John Hanes was
asked about Area 51.

"If you are talking about Groom Lake, Nevada ... quite frankly,
I have no knowledge or expertise in the matter," Hanes said. "I
understand there are classified things that go on there. And
that's all I have to say about it."

Whatever they do in the Nellis Bombing Range, they continue to
do it under the Clinton administration.

There were exactly 2,000 civilian employees of the departments
of Defense, Army, Navy, Air Force and Energy in the Nellis
Bombing Range area as of Sept. 30, 1992.

Five years later, and despite massive job layoffs ordered by
President Clinton, there were 1,851 employees still working
there.

Among the most popular occupations for this workforce are
"miscellaneous administration," "secretary," "general
engineering," "general physical sciences" and "management
programing."

The average salary for the Department of Energy personnel last
year was nearly $59,000 a year, well above average for a federal
employee. The payroll for all of the civilian workers in the
area totaled $80.6 million.

Copyright 1998, The Detroit News

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                     Using The Net To Search For Aliens

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:19:30 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:08:36 -0400
Subject: Using The Net To Search For Aliens


Source: By Reuters
Special to CNET News.com
Date: Aug 26  1998
Header: Using the Net to search for aliens

There is good news for interstellar explorers.

The search for intelligent alien life somewhere in the cosmos is
about to get a lot easier--almost as easy as getting email from
E.T. All you need is a home computer and an Internet link.

Scientists at the University of California at Berkeley have
devised a project to involve ordinary people around the world in
the hunt for alien intelligence. Using home computers and the
Net, they hope to build a gigantic global "brain" to analyze
interstellar radio signals for signs of life.

The old clunker you once played "Space Invaders" on could be the
computer that finally downloads hard evidence of real
extraterrestrials.

"We might get a million people involved in this project," said
Dan Werthimer, an astronomer at Berkeley's Space Sciences
Laboratory who is helping to run the project. "Everybody is
curious, everybody wants to know if there is life out there.
This is a neat way of letting them participate in the hunt."

Long a staple of big budget science fiction movies, the search
for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI for short) has usually
been depicted as a job for professionals--starship captains,
dedicated radio-astronomers, or renegade FBI agents cracking a
government conspiracy.

SETI@home aims to change all that. By using "distributed
computing," a new way of linking individual computers over the
Internet, virtually anyone with a desktop PC can begin hunting
for aliens.

"Distributed computing is one of the Holy Grails of computer
science," said project director David Anderson, a computer
scientist. "If it works, it could be 100 times faster than the
fastest current supercomputer."

SETI@home scientists stress that the project is not yet up and
running and it will take at least six more months before they
are able to begin work.

Once ready, it will start using the Internet to parcel out to
individual home computers chunks of raw data obtained from the
Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico, the largest "ear" to
space that mankind has ever built. Arecibo's huge dish scans the
skies looking for radio waves that might have been produced by
alien intelligence.

"We've been leaking television shows and radio programs into
space for decades," Werthimer said. "Maybe somebody out there is
doing the same, either sending out signals on purpose, or just
leaking them the way we are."

The huge volume of radio data that must be analyzed has long
been one of the main stumbling blocks for SETI projects. Even
with fast new supercomputers able to complete as many as 200
billion operations per second, the number crunch has been a slow
grind that leaves scientists frustrated.

That is where distributed computing comes in. Made possible by
the rapid growth of the Internet, it allows scientists to break
down large computing problems and distribute them through
networks of smaller computers. Each solves its own small part of
the puzzle, then feeds its answers back into the main computer
to build an overview.

Distributed computing has been used in earlier projects
including efforts to crack encryption codes and to figure out
large prime numbers. But SETI@home will use it for a something
that everyone can appreciate--resolving one of the biggest
mysteries of the universe.

"We are confident that Earth's civilization is not the only
one," said Bulgarian astronomer Veselka Radeva, who has signed
up for SETI@home. "It is only a question of time to understand
where and who are the other intelligent creatures in the
universe."

Project managers say about 120,000 people have already
registered for SETI@home, ranging from a 12-year-old in the
Philippines to Silicon Valley computer professionals. One of
them, one day, may be lucky enough to retrieve Arecibo signals
that indicate life exists in the stars.

"They won't know right away if their clunker was the one that
found the extraterrestrial," Werthimer said, noting that the
data would have to be rechecked and reanalyzed at project
headquarters in Berkeley. "But after the checks, and if we
confirm it again, they will definitely get the credit for the
discovery."

For that chance, project participants will not be asked to do
much. Once the project is running, they will be able to visit
the SETI@home Web site and download an analysis program and
their first chunk of radio data from Arecibo.

Their PCs will then begin searching through space in their free
time. Appearing as a common screensaver, the SETI program will
kick in when the computer is idle and will not affect its normal
operations.

"It will all happen automatically. You won't even know it is
working on it," Werthimer said. When the computer finishes
combing over its first block of data, it will connect back with
the main project computer in Berkeley, send the data back, and
get a new data package to work on.

"Everybody gets a little part of the sky, their own little bit
of the information," he said. "There are 400 billion stars in
our galaxy...we need all the computing power we can get."

Werthimer's project casts a much broader net than a similar
operation run by the SETI Institute, a privately funded group
based in Mountain View, California, which is also using radio
data to hunt for alien life. While the institute concentrates on
a targeted search of some 1,000 nearby Sun-like stars considered
likely candidates for alien intelligence, SETI@home will take a
broader look.

Like the SETI Institute, which was forced to turn to private
funds after Congress canceled a similar space search mounted by
NASA in 1992, SETI@home still needs money--an estimated $200,000
before the project even gets rolling, primarily to pay for the
expensive magnetic tapes used to record the incoming radio data
at Arecibo.

But the key to success will be the participation of tens of
thousands of E.T. buffs who are willing to use their personal
computers for something other than email. "I'm optimistic on
life on the universe. It would just be bizarre if we were the
only ones," Werthimer said. "It might be that there is a
galactic community out there and they are all talking to each
other...but we humans are just learning how."

Story Copyright =A9 1998 Reuters Limited.

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                     Rendlesham - The Unresolved Mystery

From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:52:58 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:12:14 -0400
Subject: Rendlesham - The Unresolved Mystery

Rendlesham - The Unresolved Mystery
By Nick Pope

There has been much recent debate about the Rendlesham Forest
incident, and some interesting and well-researched articles have
appeared.  These include "Seeing the Forest for the Trees", a
detailed analysis from Jenny Randles, which appeared in the
Summer edition of International UFO Reporter. There have been
two articles by James Easton, entitled "Rendlesham Unravelled"
and "Resolving Rendlesham", together with a piece by Georgina
Bruni, entitled "Rendlesham Unravelled - NOT". How are we to
make sense of the various conflicting views? Has the case really
been resolved, or is there more work to be done before we can
make such a claim?

As many readers of this statement will be aware, I work for the
Ministry of Defence, and between 1991 and 1994 was responsible
for researching and investigating the UFO phenomenon for the
British Government.  As such, while my involvement with the
Rendlesham Forest case came long after the events concerned, I
had an advantage over other researchers in that I was
approaching the case from a unique angle, having access to the
official government file on the incident, and being able to call
upon official resources and expertise.

Various accounts of the Rendlesham Forest incident have appeared
in numerous books, magazines and articles, many of which take a
radically different view. I have summarised the case in my first
book, "Open Skies, Closed Minds". More detailed accounts appear
in "Left At East Gate" by Larry Warren and Peter Robbins, and
"UFO Crash Landing" by Jenny Randles. I shall not attempt to
rehash any of this material, but shall instead focus on the
areas that have sparked the recent controversy.

The first of these areas concerns the original witness
statements made by Penniston, Burroughs, Cabansag and Chandler.
James Easton makes much of the fact that these statements are
fairly bland, and points out that some of the witnesses seem to
have added to their stories over the years.  However, based on
my own official investigations of other cases I can tell people
that this is entirely consistent with the way in which junior
military personnel report UFOs. They do so tentatively if at
all, as they are unsure on official policy and unclear as to
what ramifications there may be for their careers.  They will be
more forthcoming in telephone conversations and face to face
meetings, and much more inclined to speak out once they have
left the service. Having met a number of the military witnesses,
Jenny Randles is clearly aware of this factor. Sadly, a number
of the sceptics do not seem to have the same understanding of
the way in which the military operate.

Bearing in mind the above point, the key document is still
Charles Halt's memo, and its mention of a "strange glowing
object" which was "metallic in appearance and triangular in
shape, approximately two to three metres across the base and
approximately two metres high". As a senior officer he had no
qualms about being more forthcoming, because he was clearly
aware of policy, and knew that there was a requirement to report
details of any UFO sighting to the Ministry of Defence.

What then are we to make of inconsistencies between the accounts
of different witnesses, and in particular the testimony of Larry
Warren? Taking the first point, it is well-known to any police
officer that different people perceive the same event in
different ways. This has been demonstrated in a number of
studies, and is something that I was briefed about as part of my
official duties at the MOD. With regard to Larry Warren, he and
Peter Robbins stayed with me for several days while they were
promoting "Left At East Gate", and we had numerous, in-depth
conversations about the case.  I am personally convinced that he
was present, and was a witness to some quite extraordinary
activity.  But it was abundantly clear that the activity he
witnessed was not that referred to in Halt's memo.

This brings me to the recent work done by independent researcher
Georgina Bruni, editor of the Internet magazine "Hot Gossip UK"
@ www.hotgossip.co.uk. Georgina is a good friend of mine, and in
recent months she has re-interviewed many of the well-known
witnesses, and uncovered and spoken to several new ones. She
will be publishing this material in due course, although she
will be unable to do so in the immediate future, due to the
pressure of other business commitments.

Let us now turn to the physical evidence. This consists of the
damage to the trees in the clearing where the metallic craft was
seen on the first night of activity, the indentations at the
point it apparently landed, and the radiation readings taken
from these trees and indentations.  In "Open Skies, Closed
Minds" I revealed the results of the first and only official
investigaton into this aspect of the case, detailing my
enquiries with the Defence Radiological Protection Service. The
official assessment was that the radiation readings recorded
were ten times what they should have been for the area, although
I should stress that the radiation was low level, and would not
have posed any danger to those present.

Ian Ridpath has highlighted some legitimate doubts about the
suitability of the equipment used to record the radiation
levels, and further suggests that Halt may even have misread the
dial on the Geiger counter.  Whilst I accept these points, I
should explain that any official investigation can only be based
on the data received by the Ministry, and not on such
speculation - intriguing though it may be.  But one can actually
set aside any debate about the precise level of the readings, on
the basis that the readings can only be considered in their
proper context.  In other words, we need to consider the events
collectively, not individually.  We have a sighting of a UFO,
coupled with tree damage and indentations in the very same
clearing in which the UFO was seen.  Then we have radiation
readings which, irrespective of how high they were, just
happened to peak where the trees were damaged and in the very
centre of the indentations.  We should also remember the fact
that Halt's memo explains how "the animals on a nearby farm went
into a frenzy" when the object was seen. While none of this
proves that the UFO was of extraterrestrial origin, it seems
clear that there was an object of some sort involved, which had
an effect on the surrounding environment.

The sceptics clearly disagree, returning to the theory that all
the UFO sightings were misidentifications of the Orford Ness
lighthouse or the Shiplake Lightship, or even of stars, and that
the indentations in the clearing were caused by burrowing
rabbits! When I met Charles Halt he was dismissive of this, and
confirmed that he and other witnesses were familiar with the
lighthouse, which was indeed visible as an entirely separate
object for some time during his actual UFO sighting.
Furthermore, as he explained on the "Strange But True"
documentary on the case, "A lighthouse doesn't move through the
forest; the lighthouse doesn't go up and down, it doesn't
explode, doesn't change shape, size - doesn't send down beams of
light from the sky".

Long after the events concerned, questions are still being asked
about this case in parliament, both in the House of Commons and
the House of Lords, by MPs and Peers who are clearly alive to
the defence and national security implications of the incident.
When seeking expert analysis on a case such as this, one really
cannot obtain a more authoritative view than that of Admiral of
the Fleet The Lord Hill-Norton, a former Chief of the Defence
Staff and Chairman of the NATO Military Committee.  With the
greatest respect to the sceptics, Lord Hill-Norton is
considerably better qualified to analyse  an incident such as
this. Commenting on the case he has said "It seems to me that
something physical took place; I have no doubt that something
landed....either large numbers of people....were hallucinating,
and for an American Air Force nuclear base this is extremely
dangerous, or what they say happened did happen, and in either
of those circumstances there can only be one answer, and that is
that it was of extreme defence interest.........."

In summary, James Easton and Ian Ridpath should be commended for
highlighting some intriguing new material and for stimulating
constructive debate on this case. But while it's a neat
soundbite to claim that the case is resolved, this would be a
premature and naive claim to make, and one that is clearly
inconsistent with the facts. As Georgina Bruni and Jenny Randles
have shown, there is still work to be done here.



Nick Pope
London
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                         Art Bell In 'Anthrax' Scare

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:24:12 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:30:10 -0400
Subject: Art Bell In 'Anthrax' Scare


Source: The Wichita Eagle
Date: Aug 27  1998
Header: 20 FBI agents on hoax case
Sub-header: The search for the person responsible for the State
Office Building anthrax scare has stretched to the Nevada home
of syndicated talk show host Art Bell. Byline: Hurst Laviana

A task force of 20 FBI agents has been assembled to follow up on
160 leads in the hunt for whoever was responsible for last
week's anthrax scare at the Finney State Office Building in
Wichita, federal agents said Wednesday.

The investigation has stretched as far as Nevada, where a
talk-show host specializing in topics such as alien sightings
and conspiracy theories received a copy of the same threat note
that accompanied a harmless white powder that was scattered in
the Wichita office building.

The note falsely claimed the powder was anthrax, a deadly
biological toxin.

Larry McCormick, special agent in charge of FBI offices in
Kansas and western Missouri, said investigators are focusing
their efforts on a rambling anti-government letter that
accompanied copies of the threat note that were sent to the
Nevada radio host and to a Wichita television station.

The FBI is convinced that the letters, which appeared to be
identical, were written by the same person who claimed
responsibility for the Aug. 18 anthrax threat.

Although there was no authentic danger to the public,
authorities closed the office building for two days, idling
hundreds of government workers and inconveniencing thousands of
patrons.

A group calling itself the Brothers for the Freedom of Americans
claimed responsibility. The letters sent by the group claimed it
is affiliated with "Christian Identity" militia orgnizations in
the United States and revolutionaries in Northern Ireland, the
FBI said.

McCormick said the first letter arrived at KWCH-TV, Channel 12,
a day after the anthrax scare. A second later arrived at the
home of radio personality Art Bell, whose late-night talk show
is carried on more than 300 stations including KFH-1330 AM in
Wichita. Both letters consisted of 11 pages and were mailed in
Wichita on the day of the scare, the FBI said. Both copies of
the letter are being examined by the FBI lab in Washington, D.C.

Bell said he had no idea why the letter was sent to him.

"And I'm not at all happy about it," he said in an interview
from his home in Pahrump, Nev. "You might imagine it a hoax, but
it didn't read like a hoax. It read like somebody who was aware
of what he was doing. ... There were specific demands and there
were specific threats."

Bell said that when his wife opened the letter, the first thing
she noticed were the words, "Congratulations -- you've been
infected." State Office Building workers reported seeing the
same words on the note found inside the building on Aug. 18.

McCormick said chemical tests showed that the powder left in the
building was a common household substance that was not being
publicly identified by the FBI.

"It is non-toxic, it is non-hazardous, and it could be found in
any house," he said.

McCormick said the contents of the letter were not being
disclosed, but that "it just sort of rambles on about their
anti-government beliefs."

Bell said that was a good characterization of the letter he
received. After reading it, he said, he posted a copy to his
Internet Web site so people in Wichita could see what the
threats entailed.

"The FBI came to see me the next day with evidence bags and
gloves," he said.

Bell said he complied with the FBI's request to temporarily
remove the letter from the Web site after agents told him it
could interfere with their investigation.

Bell also said he was complying with the FBI's request not to
discuss specifics of the letter.

McCormick said he didn't know exactly how much powder was spread
throughout the building, but that "it wasn't buckets. Handfuls
might be the way to put it."

Agents are continuing to seek help from the public, who can
forward information by calling Crime Stoppers anonymously at
267-2111.

Bill Seck, who heads the FBI office in Wichita, said the federal
government takes threats seriously in light of the Oklahoma City
bombing and other acts of terrorism both at home and abroad.

McCormick said he has not yet tried to determine a cost of the
State Office Building investigation.

"Those bills will add up, but I can't (give) you a number," he
said.

He said he has not heard of any other cases involving anthrax
scares.

"We do have strange people throughout this country who do
strange things," he said. "There are none that that are directly
related to this."

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                Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &

From: "Serge Salvaille" <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:51:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:25:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &


>Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:02:41 -0400
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
>Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments

>From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
>>Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:54:18 -0400
>>Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:25:42 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries &


Jerry,

I too have been away and mucho busy. Sorry for the delay in my
reply.

>Serge, it appears you probably have cases with other types of
>verified data in them (not necessarily numerical) [...]
> I hope you will help us out with this as I do not
>have the vast number of cases you apparently have at your
>disposal.

I am not an authority on the Belgium sightings. I, don't don't
have cases up my sleeve that are not of public knowledge. I
merely and merrily got a good reference on the sightings:

Vague d'Ovni sur La Belgique, written by the SOBEPS in 1991,
a 502 pages book on the Belgium UFO flap.

The tight texts have been written by maybe a dozen different
individuals. I don't think this book has ever been translated
into English. This is rather sad: the Belgium UFO flap gives
some new insight on the phenomenon. Of course this information
wouldn't keep the bedunkers away from their agenda or the
skeptics away from their beliefs, but some of the stuff does
make you think that some very important experiment was
undergone.

I gather there has been a sequel to the book, but I haven't been
able to put my hands on it. Maybe, it's time I do.

>[...] and we should
>attempt to post what we feel are the most skeptic resistant in
>this regard.

Not interested in having any kind of discussion with skeptics: a
total loss of time. No argument or case of any nature has ever
changed a skeptic's or a debunker's attitude towards the subject
of UFOs. I don't pretend to be able to. Of course, the bad guys
will pretend the same about UFO "buffs". Great, let's have a
divorce then. We'll keep the house, they can take the rest.

>It would also be interesting to determine any possible
>connections with other similar cases that happened within that
>particular time frame, and perhaps at the same time, gather
>suggestions from people of different disciplines as to how other
>scientific analyses or breakdowns might be performed on same.
>(i.e. analyses that haven't been performed already.)

I cannot undergo this kind of work in my present situation.
Programming computer applications leaves you very little time to
do anything else. I am even behind my List readings and I have
just begun some translations for someone who will likely kill me
if I don't do something quick.

But nothing is impossible and I will surely throw in a few
quoted lines when I finally lose patience over good old Tim's
"satisfactions" concerning the flying triangles in Belgium.

As for connections, Andy Denne did report the following in
August:

>>I'm glad someone brought this up. To be honest it's quite
>>amusing to hear all the American specialists on the Belgian
>>flap. See, I used to live in the most southern part of Holland
>>VERY close to Belgium at the time of the flap,and me and my
>>family had several sightings ourselves. Now I know that no one's
>>going to say: "Oh well, if you say so and saw it..." right now
>>;-)

Best regards,

Serge Salvaille






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                              Filer's Files #34

From: Gearge A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:00:07 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:37:09 -0400
Subject: Filer's Files #34

Filer's Files #34-1998  MUFON Skywatch Investigations George A.
Filer,    MUFON Eastern Director, August 28, 1998,
Majorstar@aol.com  609 654-0020

Senator Barry M. Goldwater (R Arizona), Republican presidential
candidate in 1964.  In a letter to researcher Shlomo Amon, dated
March 28, 1975 stated:

    "The subject of UFOs is one that has interested me for some
long time.
About ten or twelve years ago, I made an effort to find out what
was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the
information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force,
and I was understandably denied the request.  It is still
classified above Top Secret.  I have, however, heard that there
is a plan nder way to release some, if not all, of this material
in the near future.  I�m just as anxious to see this material as
you are, and I hope we will not have to wait too much longer.,
Timothy Good's, Above Top Secret, New York Quill William Morrow
1988.

NEW YORK SIGHTINGS

PLAINVIEW:  Edward M. states he had a UFO sighting on August 13,
1998.  "My name is Ed.  I'm sixteen and from Long Island.  Myself
and seven others saw what we believe to be a UFO at 8:20 PM.  I
have been waiting my whole life for something like this to happen
to me, and I thought it never would, but I saw one!  We were all
just hanging out outside playing and I was sitting down watching
the sky.  I thought I saw a star moving when I realized it was
not a star.  It was too high to be a plane and to close to be a
star.  It moved at medium speed across the sky.  First I pointed
it out to my friend Greg since we're both fascinated by space,
then to everybody.  Everyone was watching when it started to
zigzag.  We really freaked.  It appeared to be get bigger and
smaller, probably because its whitish yellow light, then a faint
blue was turning off and on.  It got further away and hard to
see.  We then saw a very faint small blue light inside a cloud
where it proceeded to Ping-Pong at an incredible speed for about
five seconds at a time.  It did this two or three times.  It then
flashed a few more times before disappearing for good.  Thanks to
Ed and Larry Clark lclark@ibm.net

PINE BUSH: On the evening of August 19, 1998, two men, R.D. and
his son-in- law, Chris, visited Pine Bush, a notorious UFO
hotspot.  They were there about three hours when they observed a
UFO that was so bright they couldn't look at it through their
binoculars.  It was about a 100 feet high and two miles away.
The UFO "flew quickly towards us, passing within one-eighth of a
mile at outrageous speeds.  It seemed to float in the air rather
than fly."  "Then, just as it was almost over our shoulders, it
turned red, sped up at 45 degrees above the horizon and
disappeared.  There was no engine sound or trailing vapor.  Less
than two minutes later, two fast moving jet fighters flew over
chasing the UFO." The men watched the jets with their binoculars
until they passed out of view.  Thanks to Rev. Billy Dee of
UFOSSI and UFO Roundup Vol. 3 #34, 8/20/98 editor Tom Trainor.

PIFFARD:  MUFON's Catherine Laughlan reports that on August 20,
1998, at a group breakfast, one man asked if anyone knew if the
government launches 'experimental stuff' in the area?  He said,
At 2:00 AM, he was out walking on a clear night and saw the
'strangest object' in the sky.  It was a very bright star like
object, but it could not have been a star or satellite because he
had watched it zigzag around the sky. When asked what he thought
it was, the man replied he didn't know, but maybe the government
was testing something.
Thanks to Cathy Laughlan and Larry Clark laughlan@macronet.com

VERMONT

Ray Fowler, MUFON Director of Investigations, writes,  "The
August 3, sighting report  (if the witnesses got their direction
wrong) is a dead ringer for Jupiter and it's four largest moons
especially when they saw it again in roughly the same area.  It
reminds me of a large crowd that had gathered to watch a UFO at a
local college campus.  Autokinesis and cloud movement made it
appear to be moving (in addition to the earth's rotation).  A
policeman called on the seen using binoculars reported a white
round object with 4 little ones around it.  When I told the crowd
that it was Jupiter, I was laughed at.  You might get back to the
witnesses and ask them if they see it each night in a slightly
different place, but in the same direction.  Jupiter is at its
brightest now as it has just gone through opposition.  Thanks to
Ray Fowler, MUFON Director of Investigations.  Editor�s note:
Investigator Tom McFarland also feels the sighting was probably a
star, possibly Cappella.  Jupiter will be very bright over the
next few weeks and rise in the east shortly after sunset.

FLORIDA

FORT MEYERS:  Astronomer Linda S. Jacobson reports, "We have had
several flying triangle craft reports here in Southwest, Florida
-- the latest was caught on video.  Since our local news stations
will not work with me it looks like I'm going to be handing out
the $50.00 to their video repository to even get a look at the
video -- The sighting was made on August 21, 1998, at 3:30 AM.
During the last three months, triangle UFO sightings were
occurring around 10:00 to 11:00 PM.  Again as in the other cases
the direction of movement was from the South, toward the North.
The Triangle that was observed on the 21st was *entirely lit from
below*  that is similar to Bob's reports.
There was no "constellation effect" of rippling or pulsating
lights just a steady glow from the underbelly.  I teach Astronomy
over the winter months at a branch campus of Edison Community
College. Thanks to Linda Jacobson CE Astronomy educator, visit
her at; www.Geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/2696/

MONTANA

MISSOULA: Santide and two associates from work were traveling
along I-90 going west from, Montana through Idaho to Spokane,
Washington.  For more than an hour we witnessed to the south
multiple UFOs zigzagging, circling, splitting from one into two,
combining three into one, and shooting across the sky and then
back.  It was so strange, we stopped three different times to
make sure they were not reflections or the bumpiness of the
vehicle.  . I was told by the UFO group out of Seattle that there
was a potential FAA report from a flight out of Spokane the same
night.  I just want answers.  I had never been to any of these
three states and was freaked out by what I witnessed.  Please
help me to tell this story.  Thanks to ISUR, Santide3@aol.com,
and John Thompson.

MICHIGAN

MARLETTE:  Jeff Westover reports on August 24, 1998, he saw
several bright stationary lights between 22:30 and 23:15 PM.
High altitude air traffic was unusually heavy.  One Marlette, MI
woman, 'Norma W.' age 53, was also a witness to the strange
lights.  Jeff personally witnessed two aircraft in the same area
of the sky turn on and off their landing lights as if to warn
nearby air traffic at 2230 EST.  One of the aircraft, flying in a
west-southwest direction, flashed its light at an anomalous
hovering whitish-pink light.
This anomalous light may have been another aircraft, although no
FAA-compliant lighting could be discerned after its bright light
was extinguished.  Five minutes later, I witnessed an amazing
display. Three orange balls of light fanned out from a single
point in the sky to the north-northeast of my position.  They
appeared in rapid succession one after another from the same
point in the sky and disappeared within a few seconds.  They were
much brighter than an aircraft's landing lights. The lights could
not have been flares as they moved quickly horizontally, and
there was no aircraft above to have released them.  All three
disappeared simultaneously.  At 2240 EST, a single brilliant
orange light appear in the northern skies at a 30 degree
elevation.  It was stationary and disappeared within five
seconds.  This was as bright as an aircraft's landing lights.  At
2300 EST, my mother and I witnessed a second display of orange
lights appear in a group to the north of Marlette.  It was at an
elevation of 15 to 20 degrees.  There were at least three orange
lights sitting in the sky before they disappeared.  Five minutes
later, my mother watched an orangish-white ball of light
travelling in a zigzagging fashion towards the east.  This light
would alternatively appear and extinguish as it moved across the
sky.  They contacted Sanilac County Sheriff's Dispatcher
(810/648-2000) who had not received any UFO reports.
Thanks to Jeffrey S. Westover.

COLORADO

ELBERT COUNTY:  Bob Hetsko says he was talking to the mother of a
boy who had seen a "triangle" floating about during the night
from his window near Elizabeth.  The parents did not see the
triangle, but the witness is a very sharp and truthful 6th
grader.  Bob conversed briefly with the boy who impressed him
with his maturity and intelligent responses before they discussed
UFOs.  As we parted, I handed them a business card for UFO
investigation and the mother was shaken up and her cheerful
demeanor changed.
She told her son to describe to me what he saw last night, August
24, 1998.
He said, He saw a triangle floating in the air, and was not able
to explain it.  I asked him how large it was?  It was two to
three inches long at arm's length."  I asked him to estimate a
distance, and he pointed to a tower almost two miles away.  This
would have to be a huge craft.  I believe that the boy was
telling the truth.  Evidently, the parents had to console their
son as he was very upset and worried about being harmed.  I
informed him that there have never been any credible cases of
humans being hurt by these UFOs.  Hopefully, this is true :-).
Thanks to Bob Hetsko Jefferson County Colorado

WYOMING

PATHFINDER LAKE: On August 15, 1998, in Natrona County at 9:00
AM., two witnesses were sitting on the shore fishing.  We heard
what sounded like a jet coming from the south.  As it approached
I said: "boy he is low."   We tried to see the what sounded like
a jet fighter but as it passed over us, but nothing could be
seen.  It was invisible!  I am a student pilot I know where to
look when you hear a jet.  Especially one that is low.  It was
invisible?
It might be that new military aircraft Popular Science magazine
spoke about where the paint and lighting changes to make the jet
totally camouflaged.
Thanks to John Thompson and ISUR and IKEBISH@prodigy.net!

CANADA

MANITOBA:  Paul Anderson�s reports preliminary information on
large crop circle formations being found on August 26, 1998, from
Chris Rutkowski (Ufology Research of Manitoba) and Gordon Sopczak
(CPR-Canada-Alberta and CCCS).  They reported "massive"
formations in a field of oats south of Winnipeg.  Pictograms
consisting of multiple "circles, triangles and crosses" were
observed.  Chris is hoping to fly over later today.  Further
details will be sent when available.  We will also have aerial
shots of an Esterhazy, Saskatchewan dumbbell within next few
days, plus additional photos of Conquest and Outlook,
Saskatchewan.  Esterhazy formation has been sampled, and the
samples being sent to Levengood.  Thanks to Paul Anderson.

UNITED KINGDOM

MILTON KEYENS:  On August 24, 1998, Adrian Tully saw a
transparent triangle with a pink/red light at each corner.  The
object flew overhead heading north.
The triangle filled a large portion of the sky without making any
noise.  I don't know if it was huge or just low in the sky.  The
lights were bigger than the stars.  Phone #0956 265867    Their
Address: 8 Adams Court  Woughton on the Green  Milton Keynes
Bucks   Adrian Tully at adrian.tully@netmanage.co.uk

EAST LANCASHIRE:  Tim Mathews reports that his colleague Sandra
Grundy informed me today that several intriguing sightings of
'anomalous lights' had been reported in the Earby area on the
Lancashire/Yorkshire border in recent weeks.  Sandra visited the
witnesses and learned that on consecutive Saturdays (15th and
22nd August '98) a most peculiar 'plasma-like' orange light was
seen by a number of witnesses.  The objects were said to be up to
30 feet in length and appeared to have an 'undulating' and
'skipping' motion. They performed sharp turns and eventually
disappeared into a valley.  Given that this area is known for
sightings of so-called 'earth lights' there is a possibility that
we may be on the verge of a new outbreak.  However, Sandra and
the small Lancashire UFO Society investigations team is trying to
get hold of as much information as possible.  Thanks to Tim
Matthews

FRANCE

CHARLEVILLE-MEZIERES: Thierry Wathelet of UFOCOM, a French UFO
researcher reports that  French TV stations (TF1 - France 2 -
France 3) "have shown an amateur video about a triangle shaped
object over the country on the night of August 10-11, 1998.  Some
250 witnesses have seen the strange craft with big white lights
at the extremities and a rolling red light in the center."
Wathelet says an apparently identical object was reported by a
family on June 27, 1998, in the town of Quaregnon, Belgium.
These giant black triangles are regularly reported over the
United Kingdom.  If witness reports are correct, these objects
take a number of different forms, from perfect equilateral
triangles to extremely wide boomerangs.  Huge size is almost
always emphasized.  Usually these craft make a low-pitched hum.
The craft hover and make amazing sudden turns.  They are often
sighted over highly populated areas, as if intending to be seen.
But they almost always fly at night, so structural details are
difficult to see.  The numerous reports indicate something very
strange is flying in our skies! Thanks to Thierry
Wathelet(ufocom@skynet.be) Peter Gersten of CAUS

AUSTRALIA:

Glennys Mackay reports things seem to be heating up here in
Australia.  I am the Continental Director for Australia/ New
Zealand.  During the past two years I have promoted and bought
speakers from various parts of the world to Brisbane, Australia
to share their research with the public here in Australia.
Our country has a great climate for UFO's, underground bases
etc., - I was told once that there over 18 US bases here (how
much truth is in this info I do not know?) but, certainly we�ve
had some interesting sightings in our nights skies over the past
few years.  The triangles have been sighted so have the cigar
shapes and round silver disk shaped craft.  I have had several
reports of unmarked dark helicopters in the vicinity of these
sightings.  More recently I have been contacted by farmers whose
cattle disappeared and were mutilated in very remote areas with
UFO landing on their properties.  UFOs have been seen near
open-cut coal mines by a number of night shift workers.
I will put together some interesting reports and forward them to
you. Thanks to: Glennys Mackay J.P. (Justice of the Peace) MUFON
(Queensland)Brisbane Australia QUFON (Queensland UFO Network)
glenmack@thehub.com.au

HAWAII,  PACIFIC

PACIFIC OCEAN NEAR 180 DEGREES EAST: First Officer Arturo E.
Buenaventura reports that in 1992, at 3:00 AM we were flying at
31,000 feet westbound for Manila when we saw two exceptionally
bright lights like an incoming aircraft.
It then disappeared.  After a while, a huge UFO appeared on the
left side of our aircraft flying formation.  It was huge and had
numerous lights and antenna.  The closest description I can give
is that it was similar to the UFO in the movie "Close Encounters
of the Third Kind."  I was the First Officer on that particular
flight.  We never saw it approach us, it simply appeared off our
wing.  Then as suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared like it
had gone into another dimension.  This incident was witnessed by
four aircraft at that time.  One was a Military Airlift Command�s
aircraft, a Continental Airline, and two 747 aircraft Philippine
Airlines Flights that had a stopover in Honolulu.  We were about
1& 1/2 hours away from Honolulu bound for Manila.
Phone  Phil 7252268, Address: 653A East St. Mandaluyong City,
Greater Manila, Philippines, 1501 Other Philippine Airline
Pilots' names are: Capt Ben Hur Gomez (retired from PAL), Capt
Romeo Montenegro (c/o ALPAP Airline Pilots' Association of the
Phil.), Capt Eric Dulay (engineer at that time now currently A340
Check pilot,  PAL), Capt Adriano (now retired) Thanks to: John
Thompson, ISUR, and Arturo E. Buenaventura at
Captart@compass.com.ph

FIREFLY STEALTH FLYING TRIANGLE MAY SOLVE MANY UFO SIGHTINGS

Graham M. Wilson reports a NATO 'Firefly' Black Budget Stealth
exists?  The craft is an equilateral-shaped triangle, each edge,
from tip to tip, is approximately 184 feet.  The 'Firefly' is one
of the current generation of super-stealth aircraft, still part
of the black-budget program.  This is not the alleged 'HALO'
product, which is a smokescreen designed to lure inquisitive
researchers away from the 'Firefly. Near silent in operational
flight, near silent hover capabilities.  The underside lighting
configuration is so designed as to give conflicting eyewitness
accounts of the lighting and indeed shape of the craft, the three
large circular red lights in each point can converge in the
center to form one very large red or white light.  The craft is
fitted with various psychotronic devices, including certain beam
weapons that can induce psychological and physiological effects
on humans and animals alike, including pulsed phased lighting
effects that can induce a fit, convulsions, or merely varied
hallucinogenic states.  The disrupters, the sound weapons, can
disorientate individuals, this can then go on to cause physical
displacement, and if the signals are strong enough, prove fatal.
I am informed that there are two of these craft in Europe in
current operation, one is based at Boscombe Down, England and
shares flight operations with Macrihanish, Scotland.  The other
craft is based in Germany. The USA have two craft, of slightly
different configuration.  The craft is manned or crewed by NATO
personnel, it is believed all participating NATO countries supply
flight crew.  Flight simulators are located in the UK, Germany
and the USA.  Thanks to Graham M. Wilson (Chairman & Director of
Investigations) Society for Paranormal & UFO Research
http://website.lineone.net/~gwilson_spur/spur.html
GWilson_SPUR@LineOne.net

NURSE'S INQUIRY ON POSSIBLE ABDUCTIONS

Sue Fincher writes: "Many thanks for printing my note in #31
Filer's Files about the grid of dots I have observed on patients.
 This is just a note to clarify two details.  The dots I have
found are scars, not actual holes.  And the pattern is three to
four spots in a grid formation, that is one row below the other,
like this ...
          ...
          ... I hope this clarifies my previous note to you.  I
really hope someone else has noticed this, and I will be sure to
stay tuned to your site, as I find it very informative. Thanks
again, Sue Fincher


Kentucky MUFON reports they received a "dots" report and photo in
December of 1996.  These markings, which appeared in the skin of
a man's upper arm, were arranged in three's, although in the
formation of "boxcars," lined up diagonally, rather than as a
straight line, as the nurse reported.  Dr. Roger Leir is said to
have noted these dot like markings and might have encountered
something more along the line of what was seen on the elderly
patients.
Thumbs up on Filer's Files.  Thanks to Kentucky MUFON.

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                         Re: The 'Ufology Archetype'

From: "Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo" <pharaoh@web2000.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:25:57 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:47:47 -0400
Subject: Re: The 'Ufology Archetype'

"UFOLOGY ARCHETYPE"

"Psychology, too, has not only the right
but also the duty to do what it can
to shed light on this dark problem".
     Carl C. Jung


We have been saying that the UFO phenomenon presents two
apparently different characteristics, one is physical and the
other psychic. The first is easy to evaluate, study and analyze
statistically. After the year 1947, the physical evidence is
more tangible. The second one presents a vacuum caused by the
lack of scientific knowledge; for that reason many researchers
avoid getting involved.

A simultaneous sighting, visually and by radar, is satisfactory
proof of the reality of the phenomenon, but we should remember
that each physical event implicates a psychic one and
conversely. This is not speculative, it actually forms part of
how the phenomenon acts toward us.

For human beings, the conflict between the physical aspect and
the psychic alone proves that: The psychic is an
incomprehensible entity, but, in reality, all that human beings
experience is firstly psychic. For example, a pain in our body
is no more than a psychic reflex that is experienced.

Everything surrounding us has a psychic component. The
possibility that the psychic may also have a form of independent
existence in time and space, is a question that, for the time
being, we should take into account.

The UFO phenomenon, in addition to being a physical event,
possesses essential psychic components that affect the conscious
and the unconscious mind, provoking conjectures and idle
speculations. In the darkest depths of human psyches, it tends
to become collective or what we should call the "Collective
Unconscious", and feeding it is what we could call the
"Archetypes". According to Dr. Carl Gustav Jung, archetypes are
symbols of certain basic dramatized unconscious image, that are
shared by all of us. UFOs also have an archetypal
significance. From now on we will refer to the "Ufology Archetype".

The existence of an intelligence behind the UFO phenomenon
implies a manipulation of our conscious and unconscious mind,
and also the manipulation of our archetype.

In the past 50 years, the UFO phenomenon has increased and at
the same time, has varied, not only in its forms, but also, in
the way it has affected the unconscious, culminating with a new
form known as "abductions". Here the witness loses real time,
while in his consciousness emerges a series of events, taking
place against his will. At that moment his consciousness is
controlled by the psychic UFO component. The witness also
experiences a dislocation of space and time. The abduction
ended, the witness recovers his consciousness and then the
experience becomes part of the "Ufology Archetype". It is clear
that the abduction affects also the natural psyche of the
witness who, developing stress, alterations and disorders, needs
professional help to gain normality. These alterations could
also affect those persons that are close to the
witness, for example, the person who investigates the case.

Abductions can happen with or without the ship or UFO; also it
is very common that an episode happens during dreams, with
telepathic contacts; this variety is known as "dormitory
visitors". Most UFO experiences occur at night, suggesting sleep
paralysis, a relatively common experience in which one feels
awake but cannot move. Sleep, once considered a passive state,
thus becomes an active state of consciousness. Some witnesses
report verbal contact with aliens; others say they were taken up
in a spaceship.

The increase of these phenomena in the past few years has caused
a growth of the "Ufology Archetype" in the internal collective
unconscious, thus directly affecting the consciousness of other
persons. The "Ufology Archetype" could stimulate the brain,
creating an alternative state of consciousness, setting up
fantastic experiences with real feelings, identifying images of
abduction by extraterrestrial, including physical manifestations
like strange marks, implants, etc. For the researchers, this
brings up a serious problem of trying to separate the real
abduction from the stimulus created by the "Ufology Archetype".
Even more, some investigators have specialized in hypnosis,
without taking into consideration the link that is formed during
hypnosis. Data and facts could be transferred from the hypnotist
to the witness, contaminating the information that the witness
had from his abduction. Despite the increasing use of hypnosis,
however, much remains to be learned about this unusual state of
focused attention. An abduction fantasy could be caused by the
psychoactive drugs known as hallucinogens; the most prominent of
these drugs are lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), mescaline, and
psilocybin; many people in the 1960s experimented with these
drugs. It would be convenient to verify if the abductee at any
moment of his or her life consumed alcohol or narcotics. Only
the experience of the investigator, physical data, other
witnesses, etc., and something that we call a "sixth sense" or
intuition, make us aware that the phenomenon is real. You trust
your own instincts regardless of what others are saying.

The other problem that we face is the quality of information.
The phenomenon is well known by the general public, since it
appears in every medium of communication; abductions have been
featured in countless books and on TV in a great number of
regular programs, like The X Files, Sighting, Encounters,
Unsolved Mysteries, as well as "special" programs like 48 Hours,
Larry King, The Learning Channel, the 1947 "Alien Autopsy", etc.
We are so absorbed in the abduction topic that we do not give
importance to other aspects of the phenomenon, for example, the
hundreds of UFO sightings filmed on video by independent
witnesses in Mexico City in the past years. Very little or
almost nothing about this subject has been investigated, and the
press here has ignored it. They are feeding and increasing the
"Ufology Archetype", mixing fantasies with real things, to the
benefit of the real UFO intelligence, to such an extremity, that
the result is an abduction propagation, very hard or impossible
to control. This activity confuses the witness and the
investigator because it is hard to separate the real abductions
from the ones created by the "Ufology Archetype". Though the
Collective Unconscious transcends all different cultures, the
"Ufology Archetype" is developed by the idiosyncrasy of every
country.

Abductions will affect our consciousness as a nation. The huge
abduction operation conducted by these intelligence that we
called the "Gray", because of the color of their skin, not only
influences the human consciousness but also contaminates it. The
development of the "Ufology Archetype" shatters our notion of
physical reality. The idea that UFOs were the product of
extraterrestrial life, and that extraterrestrial traveled in
spaceships, has been changing. Lately, some researchers proposed
the idea that the archetypes are responsible for the UFO
phenomenon. They have suggested that the ships are a physical
manifestation of external archetypes, that are made visible as a
physical explanation of the UFO phenomenon. But, they cannot
demonstrate how a physical archetype can cause damage to people
and plants, or how it can escape interception by military
airplanes or compel warplanes to land, or commit mistakes as in
1947 when a UFO crashed and the Government, apparently,
conserved part of it and its crew. Does the Government have
physical parts of an archetype? Or, during hypnosis, are we able
to conduct a reasonable conversation with an archetype? The
answer alters the psyche and the physical aspect of the
phenomenon. But as an entity is not physically perfect, neither
is his psyche. This intelligence is different from us in those
aspects. For example: When using telepathy as a means of
communication, they do not use electronics, or radio emission
communication. For that reason the SETI (Search for
Extraterrestrial Intelligence) program has not been able, nor
will it be able, to find intelligent radio signals in space.
This intelligent entities do not use it. Still today, some
researchers try to bond the UFO phenomenon with astronomy.

The UFO problem is here on Earth!.

Remember, that our solar system is the youngest of our galaxy,
if others exist as is very probable, they will be thousands of
years more advanced than ours, and they will have gone through
physical mutations unknown to us.

Our future science will not be in the physical but in the
psyche. Our future is in the control and manipulation of our
thought with the aid of physics. This will also give us control
of space and time. Let's return to the present. The other thing
we should take into consideration in that it forms part of our
archetypes and also presents itself in the UFO phenomenon is the
occurrence of coincidences. Carl Jung classified this as
"Synchronicity". For Jung "Synchronicity" is a "meaningful
coincidence", and it is intimately bound to archetypes. Jung
also states that Synchronicity rests upon a foundation of
archetypes. So, who manipulates the archetypes? Manipulates and
also causes the coincidences? For example, we have the
coincidences in the Marian apparitions, predictions, angels,
channeling, space critter, Bigfoot and the late "Chupacabras"
(Goatsucker) in Miami and so on. All these phenomena are
connected in some way with UFO sightings. We have concentrated
on the intelligence that manipulates the phenomenon and not on
the phenomenon. To interfere means to impose our free will to
enter in to contact with that intelligence, but this should be
done under surveillance and in a controlled laboratory, under
technical and professional supervision and not done by
independent investigators whose results could be negative and
catastrophic.

The technique of this work should be done in the laboratory in
accordance with the results that would be obtained. But one
thing I am sure of is that we have to change from being
spectators and become involved like actors. This is the moment
to sit down and make a foundation in for the future sake of
humanity.

Very truly,

Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo
Miami UFO Center





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               155 Points To Prove Existence Of Interplanetary

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:54:34 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:00:12 -0400
Subject: 155 Points To Prove Existence Of Interplanetary

Source: The Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com:80/CNS_DAYS/980827/tCB0014063.html

Stig

*******

Thursday, August 27, 1998

Passionate pens

A trio of South Bay authors tell their stories in new books

by Deborah Paul

One flew new aircraft right off the drawing board. Another
explored the universal pros and cons of UFO sightings and
encounters. The third sought to capture the wonder of a hug.

These three South Bay authors -- all famous men in their
respective fields -- have written books about the great passions
of their lives.

(snipped)

"COSMIC TEST TUBE: EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT, THEORIES AND
EVIDENCE," BY RANDALL FITZGERALD

In "Cosmic Test Tube: Extraterrestrial Contact, Theories and
Evidence" (Moon Lake Media, $19.95), Randall Fitzgerald has put
his veritable research talents to work digging up 155 major
viewpoints, theories and other points he presents as evidence to
alien existence.

The Redondo Beach resident and Readers Digest contributing
editor prefaces each chapter with his own insights, carefully
probing the pros and cons on such topics as ancient astronauts,
UFOs and UFO occupants and contacting extraterrestrial
intelligence. He then condenses and paraphrases a broad range of
documentation from scientists, clandestine government UFO watch
groups, contactee and abuductee personal accounts and more.

"The most important part of the chronology, is that each of the
five sections portray the evolution of (earlier) theories and
ideas," Fitzgerald said. "The book demonstrates how evidence and
ideas were borrowed or stolen from previous authors," Fitzgerald
said.

Does the writer believe in UFOs?

"My intuition tells me that extraterrestrials may well have had
contact with humans of the ancient past, if not the present,"
the author said. "But my rational faculties demand that I
continually question all the
evidence."





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               Lapeer Mich. - UFO Might Be A Plane Making Drug

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:44:37 +0200
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:56:49 -0400
Subject: Lapeer Mich. - UFO Might Be A Plane Making Drug


Source: Michigan Live

http://fl.mlive.com/news/noplan$011.htm

Stig

*******

Look! Up in the sky! Is it the dope guy?

Lapeer: UFO might have been plane making a drug drop, police says

Thursday, August 27, 1998

By Tom Gromak
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Lapeer - Sheriff's Department detective Lt. Gary Parks said
dozens of residents who saw an unidentified object in the sky
Sunday night were not hallucinating.

But the object was not a crashing plane or a flying saucer.

Parks said it might have been a low-flying plane making an
aerial delivery of drugs to someone on the ground.

Residents first reported seeing what they thought was a plane in
trouble around 9 p.m. Sunday. They described seeing landing gear
and lights, but few reported hearing any sounds.

A number of residents reported seeing the plane go down in the
Davis Lake area.

Those reports prompted a fruitless four-hour search by Lapeer
County firefighters and police.

"It was not nothing. People out there did see something," Parks
said, adding that he has yet to determine what.

By tracking and mapping the calls to 911, Parks was able to plot
the path of the plane, in from Lapeer County's western border,
near Davis Lake, and back to the western border. He said the
plane might have flown in low, cut its engines, and glided for
at least part of the flight - most likely the turning maneuver
in the Davis Lake area. The fire that some residents reported
seeing - at least one resident said he saw a military-style
parachute flare falling from the sky - might have been dropped
from the plane with a package attached.

Aerial drug drops were reported two years ago in the
Columbiaville area. Parks said they could provide a quick and
perceived safe way for distributors to make deliveries.

Parks said he has spoken to dozens of callers about the
sightings. A few mentioned seeing an all-terrain vehicle on the
ground in the same area that the plane was sighted.

He is seeking more information on the ATV, any unusual cars or
people in the area, or anything that residents might have seen
dropped from the sky Sunday.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Parks at (810)
248-1382.



Copyright 1998 Michigan Live Inc.





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                   Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:09:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:08:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'


>From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:27:16 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Purely Psychological 'Experiences'

>Greg Sandow,

>I have been a board certified and licensed psychologist in
>California since 1960 and in private practice as a clinical and
>consulting psychologist in Long Beach since 1962.

<snip>

>Unfortunately, many of my colleagues, both psychologists and
>psychiatrists, have not had sufficient -- some not any! --
>training to deal with these patients.

<intriguing suggestion snipped>

>Do you have any other suggestions to address this problem?

>J. Bond Johnson, Ph.D.


I think you've covered the most essential point. The therapist
has no business offering an opinion about whether abduction
experiences are real. Skeptics often worry that abduction
researchers lead abductees to believe in the reality of
abductions, but the other kind of leading can be just as
harmful, if not more. A therapist who seriously doubts the
reality may well communicate that, even by accident.

Abductees -- whatever the true nature of their experience --
typically have one question at the forefront of their minds: "Is
this real, or am I crazy?" There may well be other alternatives,
but at the start of a series of consultations -- either with a
therapist or abduction researcher -- the abductee isn't likely
to focus on them. If, right at the start, a therapist conveys
even a subliminal impression that the experiences certainly
can't be real, the abductee will read that as meaning "So you
think I'm crazy." The abductee may well then be devastated. Not
a desireable therapeutic result.

There's one very reassuring thing a therapist can tell an
abductee. "Whatever the nature of your experience, there's one
thing we can be certain of. You've never been permanently
harmed. You may have endured things you felt were painful, but
no permanent damage was done. You have always survived." I've
seen this be very helpful to abductees when Budd Hopkins has
said it, and on a couple of occasions when, informally, I've had
to deal with abductee friends who were dreadfully upset.

But here we discover one reason why abduction researchers can
help more than therapists. Skeptics should pay close attention,
because it's routine for them to assume abductees would be
better off seeing therapists. Their idea, which seems reasonable
enough, is that therapists are professionals, and that abduction
researchers are both amateurs, and biased. Not, as we've seen,
that therapists can't be biased the other way, but let that
pass.

The real problem therapists have is that most of them --
whatever their view of the abduction phenomenon -- can't
honestly offer the assurance I've described. They haven't known
abductees, haven't shared informations with abduction
researchers, and haven't read the abduction literature. So they
can't say what I've suggested with any real conviction.

That's where an abduction researcher has an advantage. Budd
Hopkins can, as I've seen firsthand, say with complete
conviction that abductees aren't permanently harmed, because
he's seen that. He's dealt with hundreds of them, and heard
about hundreds or thousands more. He knows they're not
physically harmed. He's also seen them go through horrible
anxiety, and emerge both confident and reassured. He knows what
he's talking about; a therapist, however well meaning, might
not.

There's one final thing that helps abductees. Before most of
them heard about abductions, they thought they were the only
person who'd ever had the experiences they remember. One of the
things that attracts them to an abduction researcher is this
simple thought: "This person knows what I'm going through! (And
won't think I'm crazy.)"

Anyone, therapist or friend, who wants to help an abductee,
should remember this. One of the best things, therapeutically,
that can happen is for abductees to meet other abductees. That
way they find out they're not alone -- again, whatever the
nature of the experience ultimately might be -- and can learn
how others coped with the fear and anxiety. They can also see
for themselves that others who've had the experiences live
normal lives.

There are dangers in this. Not all abductees are smart or
level-headed. Not all are grounded. Not all have sensible ideas
about the phenomenon. (Any abductees who are sure they
understand the meaning of it probably aren't very sensible.)
Abductees who think their experiences are real typically want to
learn about UFOs, and then might run into all kinds of nonsense
about crop circles, government conspiracies, and cattle
mutilations.

Budd's support groups avoid these problems. (Anyone who thinks
Budd uses them to propgandize his own views of the abductions
phenomenon have surely never been to many -- or any --
meeetings.) John Velez's online e-mail support list gives people
exactly the help they need. I'm not saying there aren't dangers
elsewhere, but we ought to remember that, in many other areas,
life doesn't offer any guarantees. If you want to know what
helps abductees most -- once again, whatever the true nature of
their experience -- it's knowing others in their situation, so
they can learn that they're not alone, that they're not crazy,
and that they WILL survive.

Greg Sandow






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                            Science of UFOs Chat

From: Yvonne Hedenland <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:36:42 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:01:58 -0400
Subject: Science of UFOs Chat


Join the UFO Forum's newly renamed science section
and new Section Leader, Chris Rutkowksi on Friday,
August 28th at 7pm, PT for a chat on the science of
investigating UFOs.

Author and co-author of several books, Rutkowski is
also a former guest of the UFO Forum.
His audio interview and chat transcript are available in
the archives section for those that would like to become
familiar with his work prior to Friday night's chat.

This chat is available at http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC
client. The chat server name is publicchat.msn.com
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              Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:57:55 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:29:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?


>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:59:34 -0400 (EDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Sun Eruption + Geomagnetic Storm = 'Lights'?

>>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:31:12 -0700
>>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>>Subject: Solar eruption / geomagnetic storm..
>
>>This is a bit off-topic, but may explain some nite-lite
>>sightings for the next few days..

>>http://www.pathfinder.com/news/latest/RB/1998Aug27/12.html


Note the address above  ..  / 1998Aug27 ...


>>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Solar winds blowing at more than a
>>million miles per hour hit the Earth's magnetic field on
>>Wednesday, sparking what U.S. government scientists say could be
>>a significant geomagnetic storm.

>>The U.S. Geological Survey said charged particles from a solar
>>eruption hit the Earth's magnetic field around 3 a.m. EDT (0700
>>GMT) and the resulting fluctuations in the field could cause
>>power outages, satellite failures, disruption in communications
>>and the aurora borealis.

<snip>

>>Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited.

>I hope that copyright is a typo or this is VERY old news.

>Bob

Maybe the Sun burped up a time-warp.

No, this is/was "new" news.

I have no idea how the "1997" crept in there.

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:48:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:25:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:48 -0400
>From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>>             Investigadores y Observadores de
>>             Naves Extraterrestres
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>>somebody knows about this:

>>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research

>>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT

>>Associated Investigator's Report #1

>>The Fund for CIA Research?
>>or
>>Who's Disinforming Whom?

>This material is typical net recycled garbage. Evidently Alex
>Franz didn't find the response in Don Allen's _next_ message on
>alt.paranet.ufowhich I reproduce here:

I don't know how Bruce found out that I visited alt.paranet.ufo
which I am not familiar with. My server in Mexico can't provide
me with the newsgroups service. It is evident that Bruce didn't
read my post completely as I am citing the source regarding my
question to comply with the polite rules as the UFO community
members deserve when acting honestly. My intention is to
investigate and not to put to sleep the information that I need
for my personal knowledge and record. Exhumation has been used
to solve many closed cases. Or not?

The answer given by Bruce is quite eloquent and I share Don
Ecker's from UFO-Magazine opinion about Mr. Maccabee, I also
support the theory of the Mexico's City video as a HOAX. I have
the right to investigate and I'll do so any way.

I have some information to expose Jaime Maussan, a TV journalist
from Televisa (Mexico TV Network monopoly) and not a 'prominent
UFO researcher' who received the Mexico's City Video from an
anonymous person, this is the first indication that commonly
precedes an oncoming hoax. There are only a dozen eyewitnesses
in a more than 20,000,000 (twenty million) population city in a
daylight afternoon? I don't buy that.

There are rumors that the video copyright was sell to Paramount
Pictures in $120,000 USD. The people who made the recording,
work in a company with high quality computer software, and that
their offices are situated at the very top of the building from
where the recording was allegedly made. This is highly
suspicious for me.

The video examiner is Jim Dilletoso, maybe Kal Korff knows about
this presumed video hoax.

Another video from J. Maussan shows a Mexican pilot who alleges
he had a midair collision with a UFO on a 5 miles final approach
to the Mexico's Intl. airport in 1994. The airplane, a DC9
landed safely after declaring an emergency. This pilot flies in
Aeromexico, so do I. Gathered from a maintenance report it was a
failure of a landing gear Bungee(derived from bung) Switch, a
metal fatigue force reaction of a 3000psi hydraulic pressure
applied when lowering the landing gear resulted this switch to
broke up and a strong slam was reflected to the airplane's
fragile structure.

I know where the landing gear is located on a DC9, and it is far
away from the pilot's view. More than that the full landing gear
extension is not higher than 5ft. WOW! A UFO flying that close!
Common sense tells me what the results must be of a midair of a
90,000lbs airplane at +/- 220 mph and a UFO. Well!

This is amazing! I have 30 years flying and I can imagine what a
UFO might be, I have 35 years researching UFO's and ET's. J.
Maussan 7 (seven years) 'journalizing' for commercial purposes.
Before 1991 he was a skeptic. Time will tell.


Regards to all,

Alex Franz
alcione.org





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                      Re: 1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting?

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:56:16 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 1953 Cape Canaveral Sighting?


>From: LADV57@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:43:39 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net

>[Non-Subscriber posting --ebk]

>I am a 41 year old professional Bailbondsman. I am not taken to
>flights of fancy, but all my life my parents told me of a
>spacecraft that they observed (along with many neighbors) in
>1953 in the Cape Canaveral area.

>My Mother is still alive, and recounts the incident as vividly
>as if it happened last night.

>They reported it to Canaveral Naval Air Station (now Patrick AFB
>- but were blown off as a bunch of kooks. Had my dad told her
>this, she would have accused him of being drunk! But my mom is a
>very moral, religious woman who I don't believe ever told a lie
>in her life. This experiance shook her previous religious
>notions, and changed her whole outlook on life for the better.

>I know that some of the other people who witnessed this event
>still live there and wonder if there was ever any official
>record of this.

>This was during the early days of the program, and the
>neighborhood was comprised of Airstream travel trailers.

>Do you have any ideas where i could look for some evidence of
>this. It would be a nice closure to the episode before Mom
>passes on.

>Thank you for your time,

>sincerely,

>L.A. DeVane

Mr. DeVane:

Out of a personal database of some 17,200 UFO sightings, I find
only one for the Cape Canaveral area in 1953. Of course, there
may have been others.

This account comes via the highly valued UFOs a HISTORY booklet
series by Loren Gross; 1953, book #1 (Jan-Feb '53) page 6. I
paraphrase for brevity.

Four miles north of Eau Gallie, FL, just east of US-1, 04JAN53
at approx 1845 hours Mrs. (deleted!) sighted an object that
resembled the "Davis Air Craft Wing". (But..) There was no
fuselage!

Object was 500 feet or less in altitude, very fast .. 500 MPH or
more Mrs (deleted) saw the object for 2 or 3 seconds. It
approached from the NNW direction in a slight turn .. departing
to the SSW.

There was no sound. The light from the neon signs in the
WESTCHESTER MOTOR COURT illuminated the lower surface of the
object.

Mr. (deleted) saw at least four and no more than ten blue lights
on the lower surface as shown in his drawing.

[ Loren Gross reproduced two drawings. One shows a thin ellipse
like an undomed "saucer" seen edge on, with pointed ends. " 8-10
feet thick " reads the handwritten notation. Contours are very
gently curved.

The bottom drawing, which appears to be on the same original
sheet of paper shows an elongated diamond shape or trapezoid
with 7 blue lights stretching from end to end, i.e. left to
right along the major axis. This one is notated "bottom view".
Direction of travel relative to these geometries is not given.
-LH ]

The weather on evening of 04JAN53 was cold, clear with little or
no wind. Mrs (deleted) was within 250 to 350 feet of the spot
the object appears to have passed over.

" No one (else) saw this object to the best of my knowledge but
Mr. (deleted).. " (I presume.. Mrs. deleted said that. -LH).

The reference for all info above (except my drawings
description) was: Air Intelligence Information Report, by Capt.
Allen Rehman (? -L.Gross) 6541st Missisle Wing. 09JAN53. OSI
Records and Air Force Bluebook files.

The Air Force commented "conclusion unknown" per Loren Gross.
USAF also noted that "Subject worked with the FBI in Puerto Rico
.. had dealings with a Mr. ***** then director of the
FBI. Subject does not drink. Subject is cleared up to and
including SECRET."

Reference for these last tidbits is the same as above.

- - - -

I really hope this helps.

Best wishes

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:40:10 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:39:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:43:23 PDT

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>>              Investigadores y Observadores de
>>              Naves Extraterrestres
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>Dear List,

>What a great read - especially when you follow the web-link!

>I wonder if this is in any way a pointer to why Maccabee so
>pointedly attacked my thoughts on the possibility that 'crop
>circles' could be the product of secret space-based microwave
>(or other) beam tests? Maybe the CIA have got him playing
>watch-dog on this subject as well.

>Who knows? It's only another theory . . .

>Regards,

>Leanne Martin
>Computer Engineer @ WANG GLOBAL Australia


I don't know why Bruce attacked your thoughts, but I think there
is validity to your ideas. With the sophisticated satellites
this government has in orbit around this planet, and the beam
and sonic weapons which they have developed secretly, there is
no reason why they could not have onboard coputers receive and
project microwave beams into these fields, and lay out a pattern
which had been uploaded to the satellite's computer. They also
have infrared scanners on those satellites, and thus could do
this at night...

Don't let anyone tell you that it is not possible. If they think
so, then they are deluding themselves and need to get up to
speed and come into the 21st Century....

REgards, Mike



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                          Frustration In The Fields

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:32:46 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:02:51 -0400
Subject: Frustration In The Fields


In the arable fields of Britain it appears that this year people
are taking full advantage of media attention directed towards
the seasonal appearance of crop circles and pictograms. Early in
the summer a group of environmentalists, or 'eco warriors' as
they are known here, took to carving a giant 'X' in a field of
genetically modified cereal as a protest at the ongoing testing
of such crops in the UK.

A few days ago a North Yorkshire farmer vented his spleen by
hooking up a plough to his tractor and in just 30 minutes etched
a 200-yard long pylon into a 14-acre barley field with the word
"NO" alongside it. It was a message of defiance at National Grid
[power company] after plans were given the go-ahead to erect
three 180ft high electricity pylons on his 250 acres of
farmland.

Advertising agencies cottoned-on to the corny idea of using
field crops a number of years ago as a new twist to marketing.
The latest venture involves car giant Mitsubishi who are due to
launch a new model shortly. The undertaking apparently took a
staggering 12 hours just to create a design in the crop which
matched that of their vehicle.

This should have been a job for the 'professionals' :=AC)

G=AC

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                  No Evidence Meteor Hit Ground - Reno, NV

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:16:08 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: No Evidence Meteor Hit Ground - Reno, NV


Source: KRNV / Ch 4, Reno, Nevada

http://www.msnbc.com/local/KRNV/39854.asp

Date: Aug 27  1998

No Evidence Meteor Hit The Ground
by Dawn Cole

RENO, NV August 27 -- Dozens of viewers called us at News 4 this
morning, to report a meteor sighting, with some people sure it
had hit the ground. We got calls from as far away as Battle
Mountain, and Zephyr Cove and our affiliate station in
Sacramento said they received calls as well.

We talked to scientists at the Fleishmann Planetarium and they
told us what people likely saw was a meteor skipping along and
burning up as it hit the atmosphere but there's no evidence it
ever got all the way to earth.

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                         Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?

From: Diane Lovett <rambld@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:41:52 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:07:09 -0400
Subject: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?


Hello List,

I am looking for any info I can find on an apparent sighting by
multiple witnesses, which including a "landing" that left some
physical traces in the Cantonment, Florida area (near Pensacola,
Gulf Breeze). This would have been around 1967 or 68 time frame,
and I am told that at least one of the area papers printed a
story on it.

The Pensacola paper may well have archives, but I have no way of
accessing them directly, so would appreciate hearing if anyone
else has any info or has ever heard of this sighting.

Like the gentleman who wrote earlier regarding an old sighting
in Cape Canaveral, this too is a family sighting that would help
bring some closure to an elderly relative, as well as some of
the younger ones who are plagued by the memory of this event.

Thanks for any input,

Diane






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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:54:16 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:12:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: David Furlotte <furry@nobelmed.com>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City  Disc

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
>>video which suggests a video hoax. Some of that evidence is
>>directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
>>from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
>>the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two

<snip>

Hi List,

Quick question on the videographic "evidence" and the resultant
"investigation" of such. Blurring as in Soft focus is being
maintained as camera shift from being handheld I take it? I
concede that this is all too possible however, is it also not

<snip>

Are the procedures for analysis of photographic evidence more or
less "standardised"?

Could they be smilar to the procedures mentioned, e.g., in this report:

-    http://www.jse.com/ufo_reports/Sturrock/toc.html  (See Appendix 2
here.)


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                          "What The Aliens Left Me"

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:43:24 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:29:33 -0400
Subject: "What The Aliens Left Me"

Source: FATE Magazine's September 1998 issue

http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/9809/pr3_0998.htm


Stig


*******

Excerpted from

What the Aliens Left Me
by Patrick David MacKondy
Copyright =A9 1998 FATE Magazine
September 1998


Twinsburg, Ohio, was a great place to raise a family in 1966. I
was a dapper, sandy-haired six-year-old. I lived in a beautiful
new apartment complex with my father, mother, and sister. My
father was an advertising director for a regional grocery chain,
and he was in the process of building us a stately Colonial
house down the street. I have wonderful memories of waiting for
my dad to get home from work at 5:30. We would walk to our
future home to check on the day's progress. Even today, when I
smell freshly cut plywood or drywall, memories of those days
rush back to me.

Our next-door neighbors were Dutch. They were excited because
their dearest friends from Holland were moving to the United
States and were going to rent the apartment across the street.
They said that I would have a new playmate named Lazette. I
wasn't crazy about playing with a girl, and hoped we would move
before she arrived.

My wishful thinking came to naught, however. Lazette and her
parents moved in, and that summer she drove me crazy by trying
to be one of the boys.

One afternoon Lazette and her parents begged my parents to let
me spend the night at their apartment. This would be the first
time that I had ever slept over at anyone's house.

We went to the movies, out to eat, and back to their apartment.
I put my pajamas on and went to bed in Lazette's bedroom.
Strangely, Lazette slept between her parents in their room, and
left me all alone.


Later that night, I woke up to find both of her parents looking
at me. Their noses were only inches from mine, and I was
frightened. I must have passed out or fallen back to sleep. When
I awoke again, I was outside, alone, looking up into the sky at
a bright beam of light that must have been 10 or 12 feet in
diameter. I watched the light shrink until it went back up into
the sky.

I heard a male voice in my mind. "We will see you again someday,
when you are a lot older," it said.

Lazette's parents walked me back to the apartment, where I fell
fast asleep. I was crying hard and wanted to go home. They were
laughing. I thought I would never see my parents again.

The next day, I told my parents all about it. They said that the
rich food I had eaten must have given me a nightmare. I knew it
had been real, though, because Lazette's parents had been
outside in their pajamas, and that morning I had seen mud on
Lazette's mother's slippers while she prepared my breakfast.

Time passed and I tried to put the memory of that night out of
my head. I knew that something strange had happened to me, but I
didn't know what. As I got older I told myself that it had been
one heck of a nightmare. But something deep inside me remained
unsettled.


Find out more in the September 1998 issue of FATE.

Patrick David MacKondy is a creative director for a cable
television advertising company. He lives in Poland, Ohio.

Copyright =A9 1998 FATE Magazine
P.O. Box 64383,
 St. Paul, MN
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                   Thousands In Internet Search For Aliens

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:09:55 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:24:48 -0400
Subject: Thousands In Internet Search For Aliens


Source: Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/wires2/0826/t_rt_0826_20.sml

Stig

*******

Thousands participate in Internet search for aliens

3:24 p.m. ET (1925 GMT) August 26, 1998

SAN FRANCISCO -- There is good news for interstellar explorers.
The search for intelligent alien life somewhere in the cosmos is
about to get a lot easier -- almost as easy as getting e-mail
from E.T.

Soon you will be able to join the search for life forms in outer
space from the comfort of your home in your pajamas. All you
need is a home computer and an Internet link.

Project managers say about 120,000 people have already
registered for the project, ranging from a 12-year-old in the
Philippines to Silicon Valley computer professionals. Scientists
at the University of California-Berkeley devised the plan to
involve ordinary people around the world in the hunt for alien
intelligence. Using home computers and the Internet, they hope
to build a gigantic global "brain" to analyze interstellar radio
signals for signs of life.

Who knows? The old clunker you once played "Space Invaders" on
could be the computer that finally downloads hard evidence of
real extraterrestrials.

"We might get a million people involved in this project," said
Dan Werthimer, an astronomer at Berkeley's Space Sciences
Laboratory who is helping to run the project. "Everybody is
curious, everybody wants to know if there is life out there.
This is a neat way of letting them participate in the hunt."

Long a staple of big budget science fiction movies, the search
for extraterrestrial intelligence, "SETI" for short, has usually
been depicted as a job for professionals-starship captains,
dedicated radio-astronomers or renegade FBI agents cracking a
government conspiracy.

SETI (at) home (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) aims to
change all that. By using "distributed computing," a new way of
linking individual computers over the Internet, virtually anyone
with a desktop PC can begin hunting for aliens.

"Distributed computing is one of the Holy Grails of computer
science," said project director David Anderson, a computer
scientist. "If it works, it could be 100 times faster than the
fastest current supercomputer."

SETI-at-home scientists stress that the project is not yet up
and running and it will take at least six more months before
they are able to begin work. Once ready, it will start using the
Internet to parcel out to individual home computers chunks of
raw data obtained from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto
Rico, the largest "ear" to space that mankind has ever built.

Arecibo's huge dish scans the skies looking for radio waves that
might have been produced by alien intelligence.

"We've been leaking television shows and radio programs into
space for decades," Werthimer said. "Maybe somebody out there is
doing the same-either sending out signals on purpose, or just
leaking them the way we are."

The huge volume of radio data that must be analyzed has long
been one of the main stumbling blocks for SETI projects. Even
with fast new supercomputers able to complete as many as 200
billion operations per second, the number crunch has been a slow
grind that leaves scientists frustrated.

That is where distributed computing comes in. Made possible by
the rapid growth of the Internet, it allows scientists to break
down large computing problems and distribute them through
networks of smaller computers. Each solves its own small part of
the puzzle, then feeds its answers back into the main computer
to build an overview.

=97-

Distributed computing has been used in earlier projects
including efforts to crack encryption codes and to figure out
large prime numbers. But SETI(at)home will use it for a
something that everyone can appreciate-resolving one of the
biggest mysteries of the universe.

"We are confident that Earth's civilization is not the only
one," said Bulgarian astronomer Veselka Radeva, who has signed
up for SETI(at)home. "It is only a question of time to
understand where and who are the other intelligent creatures in
the universe."

One intelligent Earth creature, one day, may be lucky enough to
retrieve the signals that indicate life exists in the stars.

"They won't know right away if their clunker was the one that
found the extraterrestrial," Werthimer said, noting that the
data would have to be rechecked and reanalyzed at project
headquarters in Berkeley.

"But after the checks, and if we confirm it again, they will
definitely get the credit for the discovery."

For that chance, project participants will not be asked to do
much. Once the project is running, they will be able to visit
the SETI+home Web site and download an analysis program and
their first chunk of radio data from Arecibo.

Their personal computers will then begin searching through space
in their free time. Appearing as a common "screen saver," the
SETI program will kick in when the computer is idle and will not
affect its normal operations.

"It will all happen automatically. You won't even know it is
working on it," Werthimer said. When the computer finishes
combing over its first block of data, it will connect back with
the main project computer in Berkeley, send the data back, and
get a new data package to work on.

"Everybody gets a little part of the sky, their own little bit
of the information," he said. "There are 400 billion stars in
our galaxy ... we need all the computing power we can get."

Werthimer's project casts a much broader net than a similar
operation run by the SETI Institute, a privately funded group
based in Mountain View, California, which is also using radio
data to hunt for alien life.

While the institute concentrates on a targeted search of some
1,000 nearby Sun-like stars considered likely candidates for
alien intelligence, SETI-at-home will take a broad look at the
sky in hopes that someone, somewhere, might be sending something
our way.

Like the SETI Institute, which was forced to turn to private
funds after Congress canceled a similar space search mounted by
NASA in 1992, SETI-at-home still needs money =97 an estimated
$200,000 before the project even gets rolling, primarily to pay
for the expensive magnetic tapes used to record the incoming
radio data at Arecibo.

But the key to success will be the participation of tens of
thousands of E.T. buffs who are willing to use their personal
computers for something other than e-mail.

"I'm optimistic on life on the universe. It would just be
bizarre if we were the only ones," Werthimer said. "It might be
that there is a galactic community out there and they are all
talking to each other ... but we humans are just learning how."
comments@foxnews.com


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Online.

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                     Crop Circles: Messages From Beyond?

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 02:30:15 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:26:58 -0400
Subject: Crop Circles: Messages From Beyond?


Excerpt from FATE Magazine's September 1998 issue

http://www.llewellyn.com/fate/9809/pr1_0998.htm

Go the page for photos!

Stig

*******


Crop Circles: Messages from Beyond?
article and photos by Ron Russell
Copyright =A9 1998 FATE Magazine
September 1998

In the summer of 1992, a colleague and I were driving to Alton
Barnes in the southeast of England. The area is known for the
number and quality of crop circles that turn up there, and I was
hoping to see my first one. Little did I know what a powerful
impact they would have on me.

Quite suddenly, we saw a giant snail-shaped formation in the
fields on the east side of the road. We were not the first to
discover it. In fact, scientists were measuring it, artists were
drawing it, and others were simply experiencing it. We stopped
and paid the farmer an admission fee of 50p (around 85 cents).
When we went in, I was overcome with awe. The formation was
beautiful, but more than that, I felt gently bombarded by
unusual energies. In later crop circle visits, the energy felt
transformational. It seemed to spin and realign me spiritually.


Ancient Images


Considerable evidence shows that crop circles have been known
throughout Earth's history. The Dead Sea Scrolls' Book of Noah
and several works of medieval literature mention them. Many
ancient stone carvings, including one at Stonehenge, seem
remarkably similar to the shapes in the fields.

Crop circles appear all over the world. About 10,000 instances
from various countries have been reported in the last 20 years,
but the most aesthetically advanced ones are in the Wessex area
of southern England.

Placed carefully in our fields of food grains, some are larger
than football fields and exceedingly complex in design and
construction. Others are smaller and more primitive. We call
them crop circles, but many of them are not circular. Some are
elongated abstract designs, a few resemble insects or other
known forms, and some are agglomerations of lines, circles, and
other shapes melded into intricate patterns. Most become visible
overnight, though it has been claimed that a few have appeared
within a half-hour in broad daylight.

Although people have asserted that they have created crop
circles, it is difficult for me to see how any ordinary person
or group could create these wondrous Earth designs in the short
time it takes them to appear and without leaving traces of their
construction.

Researchers have spent a great deal of time investigating
different aspects of crop circles. They try to detect traces of
human involvement in the circle-making, test the area of the
circle itself for geophysical anomalies, and analyze the field's
grain both from within and outside the circles, searching for
differences.

Dr. W. C. Levengood of BLT Research, headquartered in Cambridge,
Massachusetts, has analyzed many grain samples and has
confirmed, time after time, that significant changes have
occurred at the cellular level of crop circle plants. The plants
from the circles have elongated cells and blown-out growth
nodes. Seeds from the circle plants often show accelerated
growth rates when they are sewn, and in some instances, quite
different-looking plants result. In many instances it appears
that a vortex-like energy causes the plants to swirl down,
flattening the design into the land. Whatever this energy is, it
does not generally inhibit the plants' growth. They continue to
show normal phototropic response to the sun, raising upward over
several days following the appearance of the circle.

Dowsers  have no difficulty finding complex arrangements of
energy lines in and around the circles. I have been amazed to
see the rods swing abruptly and consistently when I dowsed near
the edges and centers of a formation. I have seen pendulums fly
out of the hands of friends who tried to read an energy
signature in the centers.

Michael Chorost of Duke University found occasions of
short-lived radionuclides in the top layer of soil in some of
the formations. A British government laboratory found diminished
nitrogen and decreased nematode populations as well as decreased
water content in the soil of a formation. Researchers have
discovered other anomalies, as well, such as curious embedded
magnetic particles and charred bract tissue.

Reliable eyewitnesses have reported seeing anomalous lights and
hearing unidentifiable sounds while on an early-morning walk in
the countryside where a crop circle shows later that day. On
several occasions a strange glow or a darker differentiation has
been seen in the sky over a crop circle. And in more than one
instance, the electrical power of small planes flying overhead
has abruptly been cut off, an alarming event I myself have
experienced!

The physical and chemical anomalies clearly show that crop
circles are abnormal formations, but perhaps more convincing
than any other evidence is the effect they have on people who
see encounter them. Lucy Pringle of the Centre for Crop Circle
Studies (CCCS) in England has gathered a wealth of human
physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual experiences in her
study of more than 500 cases of extraordinary occurrences while
in, or after being in, a circle. These have included sudden
illnesses, healings, transcendental spiritual and mental states,
momentary loss of consciousness, psychic and transformative
emotional events, and other strange enchantments.

While the causal energies do not seem to harm animals, or even
insects as far as we can tell, wild creatures tend to avoid the
circles. I have seen flocks of birds split apart and fly around
the perimeter rather than go directly over a formation.


Spiritual Machines


What could possibly be the purpose of these amazing Earth works?
They are unquestionably a beautiful art that can charm us into a
new way of seeing. Perhaps that is their purpose, although I do
not feel it is that simple. Crop circles are transformative to
those who touch them. But even those who never see or touch a
crop circle may be affected by them. Farmers harvest the grain
from crop circles along with the rest of the grain in their
fields. Can this special grain, some of which we know has been
altered cellularly, fail to affect us when we eat it in our
bread or cereal?

I suggest that crop circles may be a covert engineering feat of
the highest order that will move us gently toward the next step
of our evolution. They are a kind of cultural medication that
may be designed to help us avoid the more radical surgery of
catastrophic changes which so many seers predict as we near the
end of this millennium.

We have seen lovely balls of light, like fairy spirits, in the
fields near the circles, little silver discs flying over the
crop, bigger UFOs in the sky nearby, and felt the presence of
something ineffably large and wise watching us.

Year after year, more great formations appear, hundreds and
hundreds all over the world. This is such an obvious contact. Is
it not likely that someone is telling us something?

Like toys on a carpet scattered by wise parents, the circles ask
us to awaken and study them and ourselves. Who would give us
such profound gifts but great beings who know we need to be
reminded of our true home and our true nature in the Spirit?


See more of Ron Russell's crop circle photos in the 1998 issue
of FATE.


Ron Russell is the Colorado and Midwest USA coordinator of the
Centre for Crop Circle Studies and the author and photographer
of FATE's 1999 Crop Circle Calendar (Llewellyn). He leads annual
crop circle tours to England and can be reached at Research
Tours to the Circles: Ron Russell, PO Box 40307, Denver CO
80204.


Copyright =A9 1998 FATE Magazine P.O. Box 64383, St. Paul, MN
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                           Nua Blather: Gubu Norge

From: Dave Walsh <dave@nua.ie>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:49:54 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:22:06 -0400
Subject: Nua Blather: Gubu Norge

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GUBU NORGE

'Merdre!' -- Pere Ubu
(http://www.ukans.edu/~sma/almanac/ubutxt.htm)
(http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ngzF92/jarrypub/j100.html)

GUBU: Conor Cruise O'Brien invented the term GUBU in 1983, after
[Charles J.] Haughey [former Irish prime minister] had called the
discovery of a young serial killer hiding in the flat of the
government attorney general he had appointed ``grotesque,
unbelievable, bizarre, and unprecedented.'' The term GUBU stuck, and
stayed, and finally outlasted Haughey's career itself. It will be the
epitaph of a man who saw himself as both a Tammany ward-boss and the
Soul of the Nation.' - Kevin Myers
(http://www.frc.org/nationalreview/29sept97/myers092997.html)


'They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care;
They pursued it with forks and hope;
They threatened its life with a railway-share;
They charmed it with smiles and soap.'

- *The Hunting of the Snark*, Lewis Carroll
(http://www.literature.org/Works/Lewis-Carroll/hunting-of-the-snark/c
hapter-01.html)



It was after much deliberation that I finally found myself in Oslo's
Fornebu Airport, on August 3rd 1998. I was there to meet the rest of
the GUST (Global Underwater Search Team) gang who, like me, were off
to Lake Seljordsvatnet, some 130km or so (as the crow flies) west of
Oslo. Once there, we were supposed to investigate 250 years of lake
monster reports.
(http://www.bahnhof.se/~wizard/gust/)

It turns out that quite a few members were hesitant about committing
themselves to going - some of us had left it to the last moment to
pay for our flights. One Swedish team member told me that he had
even been accused by Jan-Ove Sundberg, the leader of the expedition,
of being a spy for a Swedish UFO magazine.
I almost got kicked off because he felt I came across as too
sceptical [1] in a Sunday Business Post interview. Nevertheless,
whether it was the taste of adventure, sheer devilment, or perhaps a
genuine *quest* for The Serpent, ten of the twelve team members
convened in the arrivals hall of the airport around 1640, and
subsequently made for our transport.

The expedition was to turn into one of the most hilarious farces I've
ever had the pleasure to be implicated in, and more than a week after
its apparent conclusion, the dust is still rising, rather than
settling. I'm still writing up my notes, so this week's Blather will
unfortunately be *only* able to synopsize some of the events that
took place. A 52-minute Discovery Channel documentary on GUST is due
in the autumn, and a BBC series on 'science mysteries' is to feature
footage, and will be shown next spring.

Lake Seljordsvatnet, as can be seen by the pictures, is something of
a paradise - squeezed in by 1500m mountains, it's some 14km long, and
a kilometre or so wide. According to the apparently official chart,
it's 138m deep - there were reports of an area of 157m, and one day
we found a depth 147m - if the echo sounder was truthful. Seljord -
which has adopted The Serpent as its coat-of-arms - is an attractive
scattered community of 3,000 or so, and has just one main drag of
businesses in wooden buildings. The local council had put some effort
into GUST, as a tourism campaign, and various technology companies
sponsored our equipment. During the two weeks I spent in Seljord, we
used two different Simrad echo sounders, a side-scan sonar, a GPS
hooked into a Konmap moving map system, and a couple of
remote-control submarines.

Lake Seljordsvatnet (32KB):
(http://www.nua.ie/blather/images/gustpics/lakeseljordhigh.jpg)


I wasn't the only one to be quite surprised by the huge emphasis put
on the equipment, much of it for the benefit of the media, who came
in their dribs and drabs. We had no more than a perfunctory lesson on
the sounders and sonar, and using the submarines seemed to be a mite
premature -- yes, there were reports of underwater caverns, but I
felt the chances of any anomalous creature strutting its stuff in
front of an underwater camera to be rather remote. Our one chance to
send a sub down to the deepest part of the lake had to be abandoned,
due to a heavy swell. As for our collective inexperience in using the
other equipment, this led to much disagreement later on -- we all
pretty much agreed that we were using it incorrectly, but there was
little agreement on the nature of the misuse. This was not helped by
problems with generators, and the regular breakdown of equipment.


On the first day of 'shift' - when we split into teams of four, and
mounted three shifts spanning 24 hours in the home-made *Mother One*
(built by Norwegian team member Arne Thomassen), there was a lot of
excitement over some of the echo-sounder traces, and one report of a
visual sighting from the road by Ulf Burman and Peter Caspersson - my
notes read:

'7 August 1998
1140 sighting by Peter C and Ulf 75-100m north of Hugsdalen,
momentarily seen thru trees from the road, partially obscured. 3m
long black object breaking surface, not a wave. South-north
alignment. Conditions, water choppy, SE wind, bright sunny day, with
light cumulous clouds.'


Later in the expedition, this sighting seemed to have been forgotten
about, in favour of 'evidence' that Jan himself had been involved in
gathering.
Dr. Jason Gibb had made some interesting bacterial finds while
diving, leading to further speculation on the 'exploding log theory'
(see more on Loch Ness exploding log theories in New Scientist of 5th
August 1985), and Ulf Burman *filmed* lengthy footage of apparently
live objects moving just below the surface of the lake, leaving light
'v' wakes -- but all of this was ignored by the team leader, Jan.
Reports of 'tracks' - footprints in the silt 25m down -- had been
claimed by a local man, seen when diving a *year* before. Jan went
hell for leather on this, regardless of the testimonies of our scuba
divers that the bottom was loose sediment. Any mark in that kind of
bottom would be gone in a few hours, but Jan still insisted that we
go looking for them.

In an email this week he said 'I think that the man fooled us, that
the tracks was a practical joke that went too far', and later that
'I, Peter and other Swedes and also Arne -- sensed there was
something wrong here and we did all we could to get our hands on [the
witness], to have him show us exactly where the tracks were supposed
to be. But the man avoided us at all costs, making up stories that he
was on vacation, on the harvest, here and there and everywhere and at
the end we just knew he was laying (sic) to us'.

In the course of the expedition, this certainly wasn't communicated
to either Dr. Gibb or myself, in fact I went out of my way to
emphasise the uselessness of the information given to me by the
witness by phone, but was badgered instead for my scepticism.


After a spate of large echo soundings - some up to a couple of metres
long, Jan was telling the press, and anyone who cared to listen, that
we had had contact with an object 5m long (the size seemed elastic).
I mightn't have had much experience with echo sounders, but at least
some of us understood that echo sounders -- and sonars -- don't draw
2D pictures of 3D objects, they merely detect differences in density.
They do not give any kind of conclusive evidence of size or nature of
an object.

This was all well and fine, until Jan decided that he had taken
photos of the alleged beastie. He told me that he was alone on the
deck at the time, and didn't want to disturb the film crew, who were
at work in the cabin. I got a different version from *several* others
present, who maintained that he wasn't on his own, and that what was
seen, and photographed, was merely a series of waves or boat wakes.
Nevertheless, Jan told us that he intended to *sell* the photos to
none other than the Daily Express, for the princely sum of 60,000
Norwegian Crowns - 6,000 Irish pounds (USD8000) or so. And so, before
they were actually developed, Jan was planning to sell them. On
August 13th, he had Arne drive him to Oslo, where Kodak developed his
slides. On his return, he maintained that he had something very
interesting to show us, which he did, in the form of a slide show
after dinner.


Unfortunately, where Jan could apparently see a 'serpent' in the
photos, no one else could -- a few people were saying 'well maybe',
but both marine biologist Jason Gibb and I were quite vocal in our
opinions that the photographs *showed* nothing other than, well,
waves. . . we didn't discount the fact that Jan had seen something,
or that there was anything big and wriggly under the surface of the
water, but we emphasised that the photographs *displayed* only waves.

A vote was called -- who wanted to sell them? There was a 10-2 vote
against. Jan said that he thought we'd like the money -- it was
pointed out that we didn't need it *that* badly -- Jan said he would
sell them for his own benefit -- 'what about the contract?' was the
return -- 'well, we can change the contract' -- laughter of
disbelief, he couldn't be serious. Unfortunately, he was. Obviously
feeling cornered, he tried to put the team on a guilt trip -- after
telling us that he thought we could do with the money, he told us
that Arne had paid for boat fuel from his pocket, and that we needed
to sell the photos to covers the costs, or else pay 500Kr (IR50, or
USD62) each. Jason reasonably pointed out that he would be happy to
pay that amount if it saved his integrity, and I added my opinion
that people don't forget these photos, they would show up in coffee
table books for eternity, with *our* names attached. Pictures of
waves. . .

(An agreement signed on August 3rd had mentioned that any 'still
photography, camcorder video and underwater video will, *in the case
of a sale to media or others*, be shared equally between the team of
twelve, which agrees to this' (my emphasis). I found this rather odd,
that 'we' should be so eager to sell data gathered.)


The meeting broke up, and there was a definite rift in the camp. This
was the evening of Thursday 13th, and until the afternoon of the
15th, Jan not only sulked, but declined to speak English, and was
rather curt to any of the Swedish or Norwegian team members who had
thwarted his plans.

The whole shebang was getting far too silly. I was getting tired of
the lack of proper research involved -- here we were looking for a
flesh and blood creature, without even a cursory glance at the local
food chain. Jason and Kurt Burchfiel were of a not dissimilar
opinion, and Jan's dismissive attitude towards any of our
constructive suggestions was starting to grate.

Kurt and I finally decided that we no longer wished to have our names
attached to the burgeoning circus that GUST had become. At a briefing
on the afternoon of Saturday 15th, we calmly explained our reasons,
and left the room. Kurt explained how he felt that Jan had gathered
together a bunch of genuine people -- who were seriously interested
-- and used them in his quest for money and notoriety. I finished off
by how I found it unacceptable that the members of the team who were
unable to speak Swedish or Norwegian had been cut out of the
information loop, when English was supposed to have been the official
language of the expedition.


It was all on film - for the documentary, and I hope it makes it to
the final cut, as Jan has since accused me of looking at him with
none other than 'cold staring, murderous eyes', and having directed
our resignation in 'an aggressive manner'. I would like to ensure the
reader, that no such behaviour was forthcoming from this rather
mild-mannered writer.

And, so, we upped and left, and spent the next day winding up some of
the parts of the documentary that needed to be finished -- so called
'perception tests', using floating logs. Jan, aboard *Mother
One*, hung about offshore from where we were filming, taking
photographs like there was no tomorrow, presumably as evidence.

Interested parties can witness the use to which such photos are put
by ambling along to my GustUp page where they can see my very own
contribution to Jan's rather surreal campaign against me (he seems
convinced that I have some hidden agenda).
(http://www.fringeware.com/hell/gustup/)

Apart from the general accepted opinion -- voiced by Kurt -- that
Jan's main motives were money and fame etc., I spent much time
considering *other motives*, and I quote here from Patrick Harpur's
wonderful book *Daemonic Reality* (Penguin, ISBN 0-14-019-485-1),
where in talking about researcher John Keel (mentioned in *A Mothman
Retrospective* (http://www.nua.ie/blather/archives2/issue2no5.html):

'A quest, can perhaps be imagined as an extroverted version of the
shaman's introversion - perhaps they are the outside and the inside
of the same Way. Unlike the shaman, who is passive in the face of the
dismembering otherworldly beings, the quester is active,
singleminded, even obsessive. To draw mythological analogies, he is
less like Orpheus, the archetypal shaman, than like Odysseus, Jason
and Acneas, whose journeys took place through this world while beset
at every turn by intrusions from the other. (In Christian terms, the
quest becomes the pilgrimage while the shaman's journey becomes the
mystic's ascent to God.) The danger for the shaman is that he might
travel too far or too badly prepared into the Otherworld and so lose
his soul; the danger for the quester is just the opposite - the
Otherworld is too close to him, threatening to overwhelm and possess
him. Even as he clings to his this-worldly perspective, which the
shaman is compelled to give up, he is bombarded by the otherwordly.
The song of the Siren lures him towards the mind-wrecking rocks.
Paranoia is always just around the corner.'

In my opinion, Jan's quest seemed to be two-pronged, the second part
being that of the classic quest, in search of The Serpent (note
capitals and singularisation), whatever it may be -- the Nemesis of
the quester, a form of self-sacrifice? Even the search plan had a
heading, *The Search for The Serpent*. Jan's confirmed this in an
email this week: 'internally we were taking about the serpent or the
serpents but to the media I said we weren=B4t sure there was unknown
animals in the lake'.


If I may be allowed to quote selectively from *Brewer's Myth and
Fable*, under the heading of 'Serpent':

'In Scandinavian myth, the Nidhogg, the Dread Biter, is evil as
living at the root of the Yggdrasil and trying to destroy it.' (The
Yggdrasil is the 'world-tree' is the connection between heaven and
earth, and it is 'the tree of life and knowledge, and of time
itself'.

Under the heading of *The Old Serpent*, we're told:

'And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the
Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. Revelations XX,2.'



If I'm right, and Jan is something of a 'serpent quest', it's rather
ironic that this week he accused this writer of *Satanism*. This is
apparently due to my devil's advocation, my occasional habit of
signing myself off in Irish, i.e. 'is mise le meas' (which translates
as 'yours respectfully'), and my also occasional use (when the whim
is upon me) to sign myself as 'Daith=ED Breathnach'. Jan wondered if I
was 'speaking in tongues', and whether I'd changed my name for
membership of a 'satanic sect'. Oh dear.


I was tossing around such serpentines ideas in my head when I found
myself, on August 18th, in Vigeland Park in Oslo, designed by
sculptor Gustav Vigeland. 'Guarding' the park's bridge were four
pillars, each depicting a human being, savaged by some form of weird
beast, in three cases *serpents*. Old Gustav seemed to have a whole
primeval Human versus The Serpent thing going on, as depicted
throughout a considerable amount of both his sculpture and his
metalwork -- such as the Park gates.

Photographs of Vigeland's serpent sculptures:
http://www.nua.ie/blather/images/gustpics/vig1.jpg
http://www.nua.ie/blather/images/gustpics/vig2.jpg



Vigeland Park:
(http://www.sn.no/oslo/vigeland.html)
(http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/art/vigeland.html)
(http://home.earthlink.net/~roethe/Vigeland/)


To conclude this little diatribe and field report, I would like to
emphasise that despite all the craziness listed above, this
Blatherskite had a fine time of it all and made some great friends.
I'm only sorry that the situation did not lend itself to a serious
study of the area - e.g. witness reports and local tales were
regarded as *actual fact*, whereas anyone who cares to approach the
problem from an inclusionist point of view will realise that there
are huge coatings of *recurring motifs* which need to be stripped off
lake monster reports, myths and tales before anything useful can be
derived. A good read of Michel Meurger's *Lake Monster Traditions*
(Fortean Tomes 199, ISBN 1-870021-00-2 )should elicit some
enlightenment with regard to the proliferation of such motifs. As
Harpur says:


'In the case of lake monsters, Meurger established that the following
motifs - he calls them 'folklore beliefs' - are pretty much
universal. Beginning with the lake itself, it is *bottomless*; it
*interconnects* with other lakes or the sea; it is the scene of
anomalous *luminous phenomena*; it is impenetrably *dark*; it has
submarine *caverns*; it has strong currents and eddies or whirlpools
which are caused by (or sometimes synonymous with) serpents; it is
prone to unexpected *squalls*; it has swallowed up *divers who never
return*.'


Until these motifs are weeded out - not discarded, just separated
out from speculation of lake monsters - expeditions such as GUST will
be stuck in the mire of pseudo-science, and will hinder rather than
help cryptozoology and fortean research. A Snark? We didn't get a
chance to find a Boojum.


The Team!
http://www.nua.ie/blather/images/gustpics/team.jpg
(104KB)
The team(l-r)
Davy Russell (USA)
Kurt Burchfiel (USA)
Arne Thomassen (Norway)
Dave Walsh (Ireland)
Ulf Burman (Sweden)
Jan-Ove Sundberg (Sweden)
Eric Joye (Belgium)
Peter Caspersson (Sweden)
Magnus Backlund (Sweden)
Peter Lakbar (Sweden)
Vemund Bjorge (Norway)
Jason Gibb (UK)

[1] According to my OED, a sceptic is a 'person who is inclined to
doubt all accepted opinions; a cynic'. Fine by me.


Note: In last week's issue, I ommitted to include photographs of
Glenade Lake and the 'Dobhar-ch=FA Gravestone'. Pop along to the
website (http://www.nua.ie/blather/archives2/issue2no15.html) to see
them:


Dave Walsh
28th August 1998

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             Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp

From: Susan Baldwin <sblee@stc.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:20:48 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:45:46 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp


>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:17:14 +0200
>Subject: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp

>In fact, that fluorescent, flying saucer-shaped object, which
>has hundreds of Sydneysiders reaching for the telephone every
>time it floats across the night skies, is an airship.

>A big blimp which, far from carrying extraterrestrials, is
>probably taking VIP visitors on a joy ride round the harbour or
>positioning camera operators above major sporting events.

I saw something a couple of years ago at night that was
extremely unusual and so far unexplained....could have been
 a blimp. Unfortunately I have never seen a picture of what a
lit up blimp looks like at night to compare it.  Anyone got any
idea of where some comparison pictures might be found? It
might be nice to have a place that one can go to and see
what you COULD have seen, before jumping to extra-terrestrial
conclusions.

Susan






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                        Burning Ball Lights Up Valley

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:45:54 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:44:15 -0400
Subject: Burning Ball Lights Up Valley


Source: The Modesto Bee [CA]
Date: Aug 28  1998
Header: Burning ball in heavens lights up valley imaginations
Byline: Michael G Mooney

A big blue burning ball of light really did streak across the
sky above the Northern San Joaquin Valley and Sierra foothills
as dawn broke Thursday.

But the object did not -- we repeat, DID NOT -- crash to earth
just east of Claus Road on Modesto's outskirts.

Nor did it strike Calistoga in the upper reaches of California's
wine country or slam into Sacramento or scorch the casinos in
Reno or smack upside Battle Mountain, Nev.

Big-blue-burning-ball reports emanated from all those locations
Thursday. And while no one can be certain, the people who
happened to be up and around or out and about at 5:30 a.m. are
most likely to have witnessed the spectacular passing of a
meteor.

The Stanislaus County Communications Center received a number of
telephone calls after the meteor made its brief, but brilliant,
appearance.

Among the callers were a woman from Oakdale, who thought the
celestial light might be someone shooting off an emergency flare
in the Knights Ferry area; a Waterford police officer, who
figured it was a meteor; and a line supervisor at a cannery who
wasn't sure what he saw.

"I'm just glad someone else saw it," said Joe Eulate, a
64-year-old cannery supervisor. "People were wondering what I
put in my coffee this morning."

Eulate's close encounter came as he was driving along Scenic
Drive in Modesto. "It looked like a big ball, like a light bulb.
It was coming down real fast. I saw something like sparks coming
from the back of it. It was moving west to east, toward Claus
Road."

Eulate said the object looked so big and appeared so low in the
sky, he thought it might crash near Claus or maybe in a farm
field to the east.

"I never saw it hit," Eulate said. "There was no sound."

Lona Lema and her sister, Joanne Duncan, were delivering copies
of The Bee early Thursday when they crossed paths with the big
blue burning ball.

"It was low, really low," Lema said. "It was coming down. It
made a sound like an airplane crashing. I thought it was going
to crash around Empire."

Lema, 51, said the object looked like a big blue ball surrounded
by a reddish-yellow glow. "It had a tail, with sparks coming out
of the end. That wasn't no falling star."

Despite Lema's doubts, Bill Trublood of the Bay Area's Lick
Observatory said the meteor theory, a k a falling stars, was the
most likely explanation.

The observatory, atop Mount Hamilton east of San Jose, got just
one call about the big blue burning ball of light -- from a
woman in Calistoga. "She thought it was moving toward Fresno,"
he said. "Her husband thought it was going to hit Mount St.
Helena, which isn't too far from (Calistoga)."

Trublood said the woman believed the object was just another
shooting star until there was "some kind of explosion. She said
it turned bluish-green after that."

Scientists at Fleishmann Planetarium at the University of Nevada
at Reno also came to the meteor conclusion. They said there was
no evidence the object struck the ground.

"We just went through the Perseid meteor showers," Trublood
said. "That peaked about two weeks ago. This probably was just a
straggler."

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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Bruce Maccabe <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:25:07 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:49:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:54:16 +0100
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc


>>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: David Furlotte <furry@nobelmed.com>
>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City  Disc

>>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
>>>video which suggests a video hoax. Some of that evidence is
>>>directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
>>>from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
>>>the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two

><snip>

>Hi List,

>Quick question on the videographic "evidence" and the resultant
>"investigation" of such. Blurring as in Soft focus is being
>maintained as camera shift from being handheld I take it? I
>concede that this is all too possible however, is it also not>

><snip>

>Are the procedures for analysis of photographic evidence more or
>less "standardised"?

>Could they be smilar to the procedures mentioned, e.g., in
>this report:

>-    http://www.jse.com/ufo_reports/Sturrock/toc.html

>(See Appendix 2 here.)


I am not certain what you are asking.

There are "standard" tests applied to UFO photos to demonstrate
self-consistency within the photo/video. Which tests are used
depend upon the nature of th imagery. For a hand held camera
that is supposedly videotaping objects at great distance (more
than a hundred feet) one would expect similar amounts of smear
of real scenery (e.g., buildings) and UFO images.

Any difference in the amount of smear requires a careful;
explanation (e.g., accurate panning with the camera can leave a
building image smeared while a moving UFO image is
unsmeared).The Mexico City video does not pass this test.

(Note; the oft maligned Ed Walters photos from Gulf Breeze _did_
pass the test!)






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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:03:09 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:01:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:40:10 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

<snip>

>I don't know why Bruce attacked your thoughts, but I think there
>is validity to your ideas. With the sophisticated satellites
>this government has in orbit around this planet, and the beam
>and sonic weapons which they have developed secretly, there is
>no reason why they could not have onboard coputers receive and
>project microwave beams into these fields, and lay out a pattern
>which had been uploaded to the satellite's computer. They also
>have infrared scanners on those satellites, and thus could do
>this at night...

>Don't let anyone tell you that it is not possible. If they think
>so, then they are deluding themselves and need to get up to
>speed and come into the 21st Century....

>REgards, Mike

Ok, I've watched this one for a few days, and thought I'd
muscle in for a moment. The notion that satellites are creating
crop circles is hardly new. The problem with it is that, similar
to conventional explanations for well documented UFO cases, the
theory does not account for all the aspects of the phenomenon,
conveniently leaving out the "tough stuff". Remember, there have
been a sufficient number of UFO sightings in close proximity to
crop circle formations. That at least suggests a
connection...unless one dismisses sightings out of hand, in
which case one can't be helped.

Also (and I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this), even if
a satellite were capable of causing the stem of a plant to bend
over at the first node, without significant damage to the plant,
there is no way IMHO that a lateral force can be generated to
lay the stalks in the desired direction, individually, and
without screwing up the next stalk in line for bending.

Bruce wasn't "attacking" Leanne's thoughts. He's just in a
better position to know. _Optical_Physicist_, remember?

Greg






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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:25:01 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:58:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:48:14 -0500
>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:48 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>>Organization: ALCIONE--Asociaci=F3n Latina de Contactados
>>>             Naves Extraterrestres
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>>>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>>>somebody knows about this:

>>>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research

>>>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>>>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>>>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT>


>>This material is typical net recycled garbage. Evidently Alex
>>Franz didn't find the response in Don Allen's _next_ message on
>>alt.paranet.ufowhich I reproduce here:.

>I don't know how Bruce found out that I visited alt.paranet.ufo
>which I am not familiar with. My server in Mexico can't provide
>me with the newsgroups service. It is evident that Bruce didn't
>read my post completely as I am citing the source regarding my
>question to comply with the polite rules as the UFO community
>members deserve when acting honestly. My intention is to
>investigate and not to put to sleep the information that I need
>for my personal knowledge and record. Exhumation has been used
>to solve many closed cases. Or not?.

You didn't visit alt.paranet.ufo. You visited the Windsor site.
As you are aware on the site there are many files that were
dumped on in 1997. I contacted the guy who put them on and asked
him if he would be willing to add the complete response to the
AIR "report." I subsequently emailed it to him and it may be
up by now.

Thank you for your interesting comments on the Mexico City Video
of Aug 6, 1997. You are correct that this video stor began with
a black mark against it: anonymous witness. Then things got
worse (Maussan, the Elders, UPN )






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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:25:22 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:08:10 -0400
Subject: {94} part 3 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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That was my last conscious thought for a length of time.  When I
"came to," I was on a table.  Three small gray aliens stood over me,
their hands running over my body, palpating . . . rubbing . . .
manipulating.  I lay there disgusted and angry.  As if sensing my
irritation, one of the entities reached up toward my head, and began
rubbing my scalp, seeking to alleviate my tension.  Its fingers
occasionally slipped onto my forehead, and coupled with the sound of
my hair scrunching under the weight of the fingers, the entire event
made me feel like screaming.  If the alien was trying to calm me, it
certainly was not working.  My consciousness came and went, and each
time I "awoke," the aliens were still rubbing, prodding, and poking.
Finally, they ceased their actions, and in relief, I drifted out
again.

Regaining my senses, I found myself sitting on a hard surface, my
knees and legs tucked up under me.  I felt a weight on my lap, and
glanced down.  There was something on my lap, white and hairless,
with two arms and two legs.  It was face down, and moved very feebly,
having little muscle tone.  I questioned the room in general, "What
the heck is this?"  No sooner had I thought this, than I felt
suddenly overwhelmed by a sensation of my husband's presence--as if
he were there, beside me.  I was offered the suggestion that this was
our baby, and as I stared at the thing lying before me, I strongly
rejected the idea.  I wanted no part of this alien "thing," baby or
not.  To my surprise, the entities expressed no dismay at this
rebuff, and instead suggested that perhaps, after all, it was just a
puppy.  I again looked at the small creature, and decided I could
accept that thought, even though I knew it was not even remotely
related to the canine family.  Still, it did begin to resemble a very
ugly, hairless, white chihuahua--and I picked it up off my lap,
feeling an intense sympathy for this strange alien creature.  I
cradled it in my arms for a period of time, treating it exactly as I
would any small, helpless infant.  While holding it in my arms,
feeling its thinness and noting how large its head was in proportion
to its body, I blacked out.

I "came to" in bed, alert and startled.  In a panic, I sat up and
turned toward my husband.  I tried to awaken him, but no amount of
coaxing had any effect--he lay there, deep in sleep, unable to hear
my pleas.  Without warning, I was caught in an overpowering force and
whisked, still in a sitting position, toward the wall near my
husband's side of the bed.  I neared the wall with my back toward it,
and fought the fear of passing through this solid object.  As I
entered the space it occupied, I was amazed to see the molecules had
somehow spread out--the wall was still there, but it was unraveled
and thin.  I easily passed through it, and marveled at its stretched-
out appearance.

Within seconds, I was outside, at the mercy of this pulling force.  I
rapidly moved past the trees in the yard, and began a flight upward.
There was no spiraling movement; just an extremely fast straight
motion up into the starlit sky above.  My flight continued for quite
a while, and I was propelled toward a waiting shape high above me.
As I drew near this silent, motionless object, I could see that it
was a spacecraft . . . and enormous in size!  Due to its immensity,
only a portion of it was in view as I approached.  There were
innumerable red lights, and I could vaguely discern mechanical-
looking protuberances on the hull.  A hatchway opened as I drew
abreast of the craft, and there was a brilliant flash of red from
within.  In the afterglow of this light, I saw the size of the hatch--
and was overcome by the sheer magnitude of the thing.  The hatch
could easily accept smaller landing crafts, with room to spare!

My flight ended with my being deposited within this entryway, and I
was met by my "Oriental" alien.  With a solemn gaze into my eyes, he
rendered me powerless--a pawn in a living chess game, where he
controlled the moves, and I had barely begun to learn the rules.
With trepidation in my soul, I wondered how the game would end.

As my mind met his, the surroundings changed instantly.  We appeared
to be striding over barren ground, on a planet far removed from
Earth.  The land was parched, with dry, cracked dirt as far as the
eye could see--broken only by rocks ranging from pea- to hand-sized.
There appeared to be humanoids milling around, with no apparent sense
of direction or purpose.  My escort and I walked past these "people,"
toward an area containing small depressions in the dirt.  Round about
these depressions were small piles of stones, similar to those I'd
already seen.

Turning to gaze fully into my eyes with his own interminably deep,
soul-searing eyes, he communicated the statement, "Many people have
the answer lying right at their feet, and still cannot see it."
Within the framework of this altered reality, I understood his
message completely, with a clarity I'd never experienced before in
life.  I looked back at him, then walked toward the small rock piles
and began filling in the depressions with the stones.  Without
hesitation, I filled them all, then turned and looked into the
alien's eyes again.  I sensed he was pleased, and felt what I had
done would benefit these people, somehow.

All of a sudden, I was back in bed, wide awake.  It was 2:49 A.M.  My
husband and our real dog (not the ugly, hairless chihuahua), were
very quietly resting, their faint respirations filling the night air.
 I couldn't sleep, and I lay there watching the clock hour-after-
hour.  Finally, sometime before the first rays of dawn shone through
the window, I dozed fitfully.

With the coming dawn, my husband and I made our usual preparations
for work, and I told him of my experience.  I hadn't even thought
about the tape recorder, but he excitedly recalled we had turned it
on that night.  With anticipation, we rushed to the recorder to play
it back.  The regular sounds filled the room as we listened, and the
marker moved from zero to one, two . . . up to four.  And then dead
silence.  There was nothing on the tape--no static, no sounds from
past re-windings. With an eerie feeling, we looked at each other.
Perhaps our experimentation was beginning to show some evidence of
another reality.

The humor that seemed present in this encounter acted as a buoy to my
frame of mind, and no depression followed the experience.  In
retrospect, I felt I had actually communicated with the beings, and
that they were now showing signs of dealing with me as an individual
member of an intelligent species.  I might be only a tagged animal or
their version of a human pet, but at least they were acknowledging my
thoughts--and I imagine even our earthly dogs and cats appreciate
being treated with respect by their human masters.

Discussing the aspects of this abduction, my husband and I realized
the aliens appeared to have answered my query about the actual entry
into the spacecraft, by allowing me to consciously experience that
event.  Since the entities seemed to be showing a willingness to
answer at least small requests, my husband and I decided to ask for
another response from them.  During each conscious abduction, he had
been "turned off" by the alien creatures.  Always unconscious at the
moment the events occurred, he had never had an opportunity to
experience the bizarre effects of the abduction process.  He was
curious about that aspect, and wondered if the entities would allow
him to be awake and alert for at least a part of the process.  I
understood his curiosity, but felt some concern about getting him
involved in an experience that I wasn't thrilled about being involved
in, myself.  Still, if we had no control over the abductions taking
place, at the very least we could try to control some of the events
transpiring within the encounter.  I told my husband I would
concentrate on his request.

In the meantime, we decided to rearrange the furniture in our
bedroom.  We moved the bed to an adjoining wall, effectively placing
my husband in the position I had been normally occupying.  If there
truly was a time schedule suggested by these conscious abductions,
the next one wouldn't be due until March, and that would give us
plenty of time to readjust ourselves to the changed location of
furnishings.  And, with any luck at all, the aliens would not know
about the change!


World Wide Web addresses
========================

If you have or know of an interesting UFO/Alien related web site send
us the URL (web address) for printing in a future issue of uk.ufo.nw

From: Gary Val Tenuta (USA) - Gary Val Tenuta

Url: http://members.aol.com/codeufo/gematria.html
Desc: Research oriented, involving the paranormal elements of the
UFO/ET phenomenon, and my discovery of alpha-numeric encoding in the
English language which may be linked to ancient sources.

Url :http://members.aol.com/grayboyx.page.1.html
Desc: Commercial site featuring 'The World's First Alien-hybrid Pin-
up Girls' on greeting cards and Millennium Calendars.

--

Our apologies for an incorrect url in issue 93. Pictures from
Wiltshire goto:
Url: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/cropcircles/

--

Url: http://www.alcione.org/
Desc: I work as a Pilot in Aeromexico and study UFO's since 1963 I'm
now 51. I founded ALCIONE which means in English "Latin Association
of Contactees Investigators and Spaceships Watchers". ALCIONE is for
the Latin people. It is written in Spanish but the principal motive
of its creation is to translate the most important information
available.

--

Url: http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/cirlces.html
Desc: To find a crop circle near you and get e-mail alerts of every
fresh formation.

--

Url: http://cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/connect.html
Desc: Reportedly the best crop circle pictures online.

--

Url: http://www.blackvault.com
Desc: The Black Vault Headquarters. At The Black Vault, expect to
find over 4,900 onsite government records, all in image form, with
links to another 1,600 pages offsite of FBI records.

--

Url: http://www.hotgossip.co.uk
Desc: 'The Hottest Gossip At The Coolest Site - from Georgina's UFO
section via "The Unexplained".


Letters
=======

From: Mr W.E. Bimson" <W.E.Bimson@liverpool.ac.uk>

Like you, I was disappointed with the MGS images of the face on Mars.
I am still not entirely convinced that it was created by geological
and meteorological forces alone.

My argument for this is that the most photographed planet in our
solar system is earth and to my knowledge nobody has ever seen any
natural formation of rock or water which resembles a part of the
human body in such detail.  Perhaps some of your subscribers could
offer to put me right on this point.  If anyone knows of a natural
formation on earth which resembles a human head or hand or whatever
under low resolution, but proves to be nothing more than rock or
water under high resolution, I would be interested to hear about it.

--

From: A Balakrishna <spinto@giasbma.vsnl.net.in>

What's up I hadn't been receiving issues for the past few months
until this one. The Mag's really great. I wanted to ask you, if you
have any records of ufo sightings in India. India hardly seems to be
the place where such phenomena occur. From what little knowledge I
have most of these occurrences seem to take place in the so called
western countries. Do you have any theories on that.

uk.ufo.nw says: Can anyone mail Bala with info on sightings in India?

--

From: matthew <eagle1@flex.com.au>

Cydonia

It's pretty cold on Mars, The sky's a faded red, There's no longer
life on Mars, They moved to Earth instead.

Cydonia space is quiet now where once was shuttle to and throw, It's
still in automation today it's called the U.F.O.

The face on Mars is pretty bleak, To leave a face half way done, That
graffiti artist had lots of cheek, To set it facing half the Sun.

Millons of years have long since past, That fated trip to where we
are, Mars once stood where Earth does now, We look to home amongst
the stars that hints, at faded memory.

Yep, It's pretty cold on Mars, The sky's a faded red, There's no
longer life on Mars, They moved to Earth instead.

The Pyramids a legacy that links from place to place, So we will
always remember, Our ancestry's from space.

Matthew Favaloro

--

From: b.green@cableinet.co.uk

Could you please tell me when the next skywatch is in the midlands
or where l could find out from thanks b.g

uk.ufo.nw says: Can anyone assist?

--

From: "Alfredo" <juillet@iusanet.cl>

Hi.Yes, I guess the face of Mars, the City and the Fortress are NOW
just blown mountains. But I cannot believe the first photos were
rubbish ! What happened in the elapsed time ? Very queer.

--

From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

I'm not quite sure if this will be broadcast in Europe...

Newsgroups:  alt.ufo.reports
Date: Wednesday 19 Aug 1998

The NBC 2 hour special called Confirmation that deals with implant
removal and Strieber's latest book is going to air in February 1999.
NBC was filming a  "implant" removal yesterday and the footage is
expected to be shown on the show.

--

From: Jones Shan Wyn AD /EC <ShanWynJones@gwynedd.gov.uk>
Date: Wednesday 29th July 1998

Do you know of a local UFO group for the Anglesey area or for North
West Wales? I work at Bangor Library am asking on behalf of a reader.
Hope you can help! Thanks.

uk.ufo.nw says: Can anyone help Jones?


New UFO novel
=============

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The Mission tells the story of an UFO abduction gone wrong, complete
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a medically retired Air Force fighter pilot and former intelligence
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beginning, a car dealer hires Harry to find a missing young woman.
The lady, it seems, is also the focus of a manhunt by a super-secret
government agency.  Will Harry and the government agents collide?
Quasi-UFO investigators discover information that there's a second
group of aliens who are observing the first group.  It's about
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From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:51:08 +0200
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:11:20 -0400
Subject: Vatican Man Puts Faith In ET And His Friends


Source: The Times (London)

Stig

*******

Saturday August 29 1998 =BF=BF=BF

Vatican man puts faith in ET and his friends


by Ruth Gledhill
Religion Correspondent


EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS exist and there is no conflict between a
belief in aliens and the Christian faith, a Vatican theologian
close to the Pope says.

Father Corrado Balducci, of the Congregation for the
Evangelisation of Peoples, claims in a book about alien
abductions to be published next week, that it is wrong to assert
that reports of encounters with aliens are not credible.

"It is reasonable to believe and affirm that extra-terrestrials
exist," he says. "Their existence can no longer be denied, for
there is too much evidence for the existence of
extra-terrestrials and flying saucers."

Father Balducci says that clues such as the existence of flying
saucers indicate that extra-terrestrials are further evolved
than humans. In an interview to be published as the appendix to
Confirmation, Father Balducci says that even if
extra-terrestrials were discovered who were superior to humans,
it would not call into question the teachings of Christianity.

He refers to a passage in the New Testament where St Paul refers
to Christ as the king of the universe, not just the king of the
world. "This means that everything in the universe, including
extra-terrestrials and UFOs are reconcilable with God."

Father Balducci, a renowned exorcist and expert on demonology,
has written two books on the Devil. Listed in the Vatican
directory as "priest of honour" since 1964, he is an official
member of the papal household or family.

Father Balducci says his first question to an alien would be
what their concept of God was. But he goes on to say: "It is
very important to lend credence to the eye-witness accounts, but
we must be very careful to ensure that they are authentic. I
have also heard of people who have claimed to have had contacts,
but who unfortunately were not mentally sound."

A spokesman for the Catholic Media Office in London said last
night: "The fundamental creation message relates to humans here
on earth. If aliens were shown to exist, this would not cast
doubt on the veracity of the Gospel. But we would have to ask
whether the Christian atonement was applicable to them."


Copyright 1998 Times Newspapers Ltd.







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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:25:21 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:06:21 -0400
Subject: {94} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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     /  /  //  /    /  /  /  N E T W O R K           part 2 Issue 94
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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in 58 countries.

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After this dreadful drivel, Cooper published a book titled Behold A
Pale Horse in which he revealed who was really behind the secret
government - the 'international bankers', a codeword for the Jews
(who must be very weary of having to take the blame for just about
everything). Cooper underlined his slander bv reproducing a
particularly nasty     fake document, The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion, which pretends to prove how the Jews are totally committed to
world domination.

This deeply disturbing document is so appallingly bad that even the
virulently antisemitic Adolf Hitler was forced to admit that it was a
counterfeit.

But to those who want to believe them, the old lies are always the
best.

A moon in the making...

According to William L Brian II, there wouldn't even be a moon if it
wasn't for the aliens. The moon craters are the handiwork of
"sophisticated weapons used in a terrible war involving the moon,"
which took place less than 30,000 years ago" (well, that narrows it
down a bit). Brian describes a Star Wars-like drama in which a hollow
planet between Mars and Jupiter was obliterated by hi-tech particle
beam weapons, leaving behind our latter-day asteroid belt. That
asteroid belt planet had a moon which, thanks to "great levitating or
gravity inducing beams", was transported into the orbit of its new
host: Planet Earth. Phew!

[W 2]******

Source: Focus
Publish date: March 1997

Q & A

Q: Could creatures with infrared vision - like the alien in the movie
Predator - see better than us? P R Gruzalski, Ashtead, Surrey

While the Predator gave Arnold Schwarzenegger a hard time in the
film, he would have been stuffed, vision wise, in real life. The
human eye is sensitive to visible light 'which has a shorter
wavelength than infrared and therefore a higher resolution, enabling
us to see smaller objects in more detail.

Arnie blinded him once by lighting a fire, demonstrating another flaw
- we see by reflected light while infrared is emitted by an object,
dependent on its temperature. If what you're looking for is the same
temperature as its surroundings it becomes invisible.

Finally, your infrared alien would need a deep head and huge eye
lenses to bring the longer wavelengths into focus unless they weren't
refractive lenses like human's but something lobster-like - thousands
of square tubes with smooth inner walls to reflect the light to the
retina.

A more interesting challenger might be Gamma Man, able to use the
shorter wavelengths of ultraviolet and beyond to see in incredible
detail. The drawbacks there would be that X-rays and gamma rays are
harmful to tissue, and very little gets through the atmosphere, so
he'd need to be made of very strange tissue, and bring his own gamma
torch with him.

Q: When we see pictures taken on the moon's surface. why are there no
stars in the sky?

Dave Plumber, Ruislip, London

Perhaps the most telling evidence that the moon landings weren't
faked in a Los Angeles backlot is the distinctly black sky we see
above Buzz Aldrin in the images from the lunar surface. What
Hollywood movie producer could have resisted the temptation of adding
a background of brilliant stars in contrast to a bleak moon set?

Incidentally, all but four Apollo 11 surface photos are of Aldrin
because in their excitement the moonwalkers forgot to use their one
Hasselblad 70mm camera to take more pictures of his collegue Neil
Armstrong.

The moon has no atmosphere to limit the light coming down to its
surface, so in theory there should be brilliant views of even the
furthest stars. But the moonwalks all occurred during the lunar day.
The glare of the unfiltered sun is considerable, so that all
astronauts' moonsuits

were fitted with visors. The glare tended to mask the stars, and this
'washout' effect was made worse by reflected light from dust covering
the lunar surface.

In fact the lunar module's descent engines swept away all of the very
finest surface dust, leaving larger more jagged particles that were
even better at reflecting light. As a result, from orbit, lunar
landing sites would appear distinctively brighter than surrounding
areas.

If an astronaut looked away from the sun into the darkest part of the
sky they could make out stars - but capturing images of stars
requires long camera exposure times. and the lunar photos were taken
with exposure times too short to register them.

Still, the view during the lunar night, or from the dark side of the
moon, will always be awe- inspiring, and it has been suggested  that
a large observatory should be set up on the dark side in the next
century.

[W 3]******

From:  Gary Val Tenuta (USA) - CodeUFO@aol.com
Date sent: Thursday 20th August 1998

Close Encounter with the Black Triangle

In response to the article about Stephen Tunstall's sighting of the
Triangle UFO over West Midland, 18th July 1998, [Issue 93 uk.ufo.nw]
I can share my own sighting of a similar craft here in the state of
Washington, USA, in 1993. I will also include a dramatic report of a
similar craft seen by an acquaintance of mine. The two reports are as
follows:

CLOSE ENCOUNTER with the BLACK TRIANGLE UFO The following is a true
and accurate account of my own "close encounter" in Seattle
Washington which occurred in 1993. I believe it was in the month of
November.

It was a Sunday night about 9:30. I often have occasion to be driving
north about this time of evening on Sundays and I usually take the
freeway. This time, however, I knew the freeway, northbound, was
jammed up due to an accident. So I had taken an alternate route which
eventually led me to what I think was East Marginal Way, right next
to the main Boeing Aircraft plant.

I noticed three red lights low in the sky ahead of me. They were
moving in unison, very slowly across my field of vision from east to
west. At first I thought they must be the lights of a low flying
plane, perhaps about to land. Then I thought, no, they must be
helicopters because a plane, even if it was landing, wouldn't be
moving that slowly. The trouble was, I couldn't actually see the
craft or crafts that the lights were attached to. They were, maybe, a
half mile ahead of me, about 30 degrees to my right. Normally, I
wouldn't have really paid much attention to this at all because I've
been making this Sunday night drive past Boeing (although via the
freeway) for the last twelve years. In all that time I've seen plenty
of airplanes and helicopters flying low in this area. But something
was different this time. It took me a minute to realize  what it was.
It was the fact that the lights weren't blinking. I thought that was
odd. It seemed to me that every airplane or helicopter I've ever seen
flying at night had blinking lights. I squinted my eyes as I drove
toward the lights, trying to see just what I was actually looking at.
Although I was now only about two blocks away from being directly
under the flight path of these lights, I still could not make out
what they were attached to. However, from their slow, steady
movement, in unison, I was pretty sure all three of them were
attached to a single object rather than being independent of each
other. By the time I was directly below their flight path, they were
about to reach the airspace over Boeing Field to my left. I was now
convinced it was a single, low-flying craft of somekind and I knew
there was something very odd here. I pulled my car off to the side of
the road and rolled down the window to get a better look.

I opened the car door and stepped out. Craning my neck to see the
craft as it passed slowly directly over head (estimated altitude,
less than 500 feet), I could see it was a gigantic flying black
triangle! There is no other way to describe it because that's
precisely what it was; a huge, black, flying triangle; not just "sort
of" triangular shaped, like one of those wedge-winged jets or
something. It was just one big three-sided, cookie-cutter-straight-
edged, black, geometric shape; a triangle with one large, round
unblinking red light at each of its three corners flat up against the
underside of the craft. There was a high, gray cloud cover that
evening, subtly lit by the Seattle city lights in the distance.
Against this gray ceiling I could see the object like a huge, dense
black silhouette.

I stood there almost not believing what I knew I was seeing. I
actually said to myself, "Ok. What, exactly, are you seeing? You're
going to want to remember every detail of this! Just the facts, now.
What, exactly, do you see?" I made a mental inventory. "Black
triangle. Red light on each corner, flat up against the underside of
the craft. They don't blink. It looks like it's about seventy-five to
a hundred feet above one of the main Boeing hangars. It's moving very
slowly. Maybe five miles per hour. It's heading west. It must be
about the size of a football field." Suddenly I realized, as I stood
there in the dark on this quiet empty street, the object didn't make
a sound! Maybe more than anything else, that's what made the whole
thing so eerie. Something that huge, that close, moving through the
air at a snail's pace should be making some kind of a sound! A hum! A
rumble! Anything! But, no. It just moved across the sky like
something out of a Steven Spielberg movie with the volume turned off.
I looked up and down the street to see if anyone else was witnessing
this silent event, but the street was dark and empty in both
directions. I looked up again at the mysterious thing now blending
into the dark horizon. I watched it until I couldn't see it anymore
and then it was over. I got back into my car and closed the door. The
window was still open and I took another look. Nothing was there but
the gray night sky, softly aglow from the distant city lights. It was
as if nothing had happened. I sat there for a minute and lit a
cigarette. Then I turned the car on and took one more look, knowing
it wouldn't be there, but still wanting to remember where it had
been. All the way home I just kept asking myself, "What the hell was
that?"

Whatever it was, it was my one and only close encounter. I waited all
my life to see a UFO and, as it turned out, it was nothing like I
always imagined it would be. I wanted to see a "flying saucer"! You
know, one of those shiney, disk-shaped things that everybody else
sees. But, no. I had to see a flying black triangle! Then again, it
was probably just a weather balloon. A weather kite? Swamp gas. Yeah,
that's it. Triangular swamp gas.

uk.ufo.nw says: Gary also sent us the below very interesting report.

[W 4]******

From:  Gary Val Tenuta (USA) - CodeUFO@aol.com
Date sent: Thursday 20th August 1998

An encounter with a Black Triangle UFO

The following is an account of an encounter with the Black Triangle
UFO as told to me by a young man I'll call Greg:

Greg is a mountain climber here in the Pacific Northwest. One day,
about 1981, he was climbing at a place I believe he called Lion Rock
in Washington State. When he reached the plateau, he looked up and
saw a dark triangle shaped object he estimated to be several thousand
feet in the sky. On his second visit to that same plateau he saw the
object again. And again it was positioned very high in the sky.

On his third trip to Lion Rock, he was climbing with a friend (I'll
call him Bill) who happened to be a Lockheed flight engineer. When
they reached the top, Greg was telling Bill about the triangular
object. As he was pointing to the sky to show his partner where he'd
seen the object, the same object appeared! Bill of course did not
know the size of the object but guessed its altitude must have been
about 20,000 feet. As they stood there looking at the object they
noticed it appeared to be getting larger. In a moment they realized
it was in a freefall heading straight for them! They dove for the
bushes and the object, which now could be quite clearly seen to be a
craft, came to an abrupt stop about 150 feet above the ground and
about 150 feet away from them.

Greg got out his field glasses to get a really good look at the
surface of the craft. He said it really wasn't black but, rather, a
very dark amber-hued brown. There was no indication of seams or
rivets that he could see. It had the appearance of being a single
molded piece. He estimates its size was about equal to a football
field. He detected what he thought seemed to be windows along one
side and a glow of light coming through them from within the craft.
As in my own sighting, the craft had been totally silent all this
time. But that was about to change.

Suddenly the craft let out an ear piercing screech and took off at an
angle right over Greg and Bill. As it did so, the craft emitted a
beam of white light which passed directly over them. In a moment the
craft was gone.

The result of this encounter was that Greg suffered from blood in his
urine for about the next 6 months and Bill suffered from a rash
throughout his groin area for about the same period of time.

It is interesting to note that Greg is a devout Christian and never
really had an interest in UFOs before his encounters. His father is a
Christian minister.

I have never met Bill but Greg tells me the event caused Bill severe
psychological repercussions. I don't know what that means in terms of
exactly what those repercussions were.

It is also interesting to note that Greg's encounter was nearly a
decade earlier than mine.

[W 5]******

Source: Daily Mail (UK)
Publish date: Friday 14th August 1998

Fossil finds 'point to life on Mars'

Evidence that alien life could be flourishing below the surface of
Mars is growing, say scientists.

After discovering traces of rock-eating microbes nearly a mile
underneath the floor of the Earth's oceans, they argue that if life
can survive in such dark barren conditions then it could also exist
beneath the red planet.

The fossils were found in samples from beneath the Indian, Atlantic
and Pacific oceans, the American journal Science reports.

Dr Mark Fisk, of Oregon State University, said they were discovered
in basalt up to one mile down. The rocks contained all the
ingredients for life including carbon, phosphorous, nitrogen and
water.

"Under those conditions, microbes could live beneath any rocky
planet," he said.

"It would be no problem to have life inside of Mars, or within a moon
of Jupiter, or even on a comet containing ice crystals that get
warmed up when the comet passes by the sun."

The interior of Mars had all the right chemicals for simple bacterial
life, he said. And although Mars is cold, microbes have been found on
Earth at very low temperatures.

"The surface of Mars may be too cold to find life unless there is a
hot spring bubbling up," said Dr Fisk. "But every planet has a
temperature gradient; they get hotter as you go down. Within the next
few years, we'll probably find life on Mars. But we may have to dig
to find it."

The prospect of life on Mars was raised two years ago after NASA
claimed to have found evidence of fossilised bacteria in a meteorite.

[W 6]******

Source: Deseret News
Publish date: 10th August 1998
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

Robert Bigelow Gives First Interview About UFO

Mystery Man Robert Bigelow Gives First Interview About UFO Pursuits
By Zack Van Eyck Deseret News Staff Writer www.desnews.com 8-10-98

LAS VEGAS, Nev. Two years ago, Terry and Gwen Sherman were trying to
unload a 480-acre Uintah County cattle ranch they said was rife with
UFO
activity and other bizarre occurrences.

Millionaire philanthropist Robert T. Bigelow came to the rescue,
buying
the ranch and moving in a team of researchers and surveillance
equipment.

Bigelow, 54, a Las Vegas native who amassed a fortune in real estate
development, had for years funded private research projects on the far
fringe of mainstream science.

The Sherman ranch was exactly what he was looking for " a secluded
location with a history of phenomenal events where his nonprofit
National Institute for Discovery Science could gather extraordinary
data.

As a condition of the purchase, however, the Shermans agreed to keep
quiet about what they reportedly had witnessed " the mutilated and
disappearing cattle, UFOs the size of football fields, circular
doorways
that appeared in midair and floating balls of light that allegedly
incinerated the family dogs.

Bigelow and his staff also dodged media inquiries, saying public
knowledge about their observations would be premature and not in
keeping
with es- tablished scientific methods. Even today, two years later,
Bigelow will not discuss specific incidents that have occurred on the
ranch and the surrounding area.

But the strange airborne activity and unusual animal deaths have
continued, Bigelow confirmed in a lengthy, face-to-face chat with the
Deseret News the first interview he has granted to discuss his
regional
pursuit of aerial phenomena.

"We wouldn't be there just for the weather," he said.

When the impressive team of scientists Bigelow has assembled can say
something definitive about what is going on in the skies around Fort
Duchesne, Randlett and beyond, they will, Bigelow promised on the
NIDS Web
site at www.accessnv.com/nids.

"We know so little in terms of what the overall scope of these
phenomena
is all about that it's just embarrassing to try to make conclusions at
this point," Bigelow said.

And it's still too early, he said, to determine whether the curious
activity poses any threat to Uinta Basin residents.

"Should people be fearful of anything from NIDS? Absolutely not. But I
think the jury is way, way, way out and a long way from coming back on
whether or not we know enough to say that they shouldn't have
something to
fear from the phenomena," he said, then added somewhat humorously, "We
haven't had any of our staff eaten or anybody else that we know of."

Bigelow said the National Institute for Discovery Science needs the
help
of Uinta Basin ranchers and residents. He asks anyone who discovers an
unusual animal death or spots an unidentified object in the sky to
call
NIDS at 1-888-433-6500. When an animal mutilation is reported, NIDS
veterinarians can respond to perform a necropsy.

"It will cost him (a rancher) nothing to try to find out what
happened to
his animal," Bigelow said.

The recent interview in Las Vegas was an intriguing departure for
Bigelow, a confident and articulate self-made man who has kept the
lowest of low profiles over the years " prompting some paranormal
researchers to suggest he has a hidden agenda or government
connections.

Bigelow said he retained a private persona while conducting his own
research into the UFO field primarily to protect his sources. But now,
with NIDS sponsoring an international essay contest to pique the
mainstream science community's interest in the search for
extraterrestrial
intelligence, the time is right to assume a more public role " even
if he
doesn't allow his photograph to be taken.

As for the government, Bigelow said his staff has no evidence the
government has any interest in the Sherman ranch or similar "hot
spots"
NIDS has investigated in New Mexico and Colorado.

People shouldn't be worried that he is part of a covert government
group, Bigelow said, but instead should ask themselves why the
government, politicians, religious institutions, educators,
scientists and
the media are not taking UFOs and the possible existence of
extraterrestrials more seriously.

Bigelow, in fact, said one reason he spends more than a million
dollars a
year on NIDS research is to do what he feels the government and other
institutions should be doing " preparing America and the rest of the
world
for eventual ET contact. That revelation, if confirmed suddenly and
dramatically, Bigelow believes, could have a devastating psychosocial
impact on global civilization.

"There are aspects of this phenomena that are going to be disturbing
to
the average person," he said. "It's more complex, more diverse than I
think is commonly recognized.

"We've been exposed to some things that are significantly different
than
the traditional body of information that you read about or that you
watch
(on TV, movies), and that increases the dynamics, the scope of what
has to
be digested."

Bigelow's interest in the paranormal stems from his youth. At the
time,
Las Vegas was, by comparison, a sleepy little hamlet. There wasn't
much
for locals to do in the 1950s except drive down the street for an ice
cream cone after dinner.

Off on one of those evening cruises, Bigelow's grandparents had a
close
encounter that not only had a profound impact on them, but " when he
was
told the story two years later " strongly affected their 10-year-old
grandson.

"This ball of light that appeared to be on flames was coming right at
them," Bigelow recalled. "They swerved the car off the road in a
pretty
dramatic way and kind of ducked, waiting for this impact and there
was no
impact. Instead, it made a 90-degree turn. It came right at them and
went
voooom " it just went the opposite direction.

"It not only shook them up because they thought they were about to
die,
but then it gave them something to think about for weeks, months and
years
after."

Ditto for their grandson.

Bigelow retained his curiosity about that event and other Vegas-area
UFO
sightings for three decades while building his real estate empire. In
1988, with money to burn, he began an intense, personal quest for an
answer to the question: "Are we alone in the universe?"

That led to the formation of NIDS, established in '95 to investigate
both aerial phenomena and another of his interests " the survival of
consciousness after bodily death.

A year later, word of the Shermans' plight brought Bigelow to the
Uinta
Basin, where hundreds of UFO sightings have been cataloged by former
Roosevelt schoolteacher Joseph "Junior" Hicks, beginning in the early
'50s.

NIDS isn't likely to leave the area anytime soon, either " as long as
research can be conducted without interference. Bigelow and Colm
Kelleher,
NIDS' deputy administrator, worry that too much publicity may attract
undesirable attention.

"If you had a tailgate, football-stadium kind of atmosphere out
there, and
everybody's out there with hot dogs and hamburgers, and they're
barbecuing
and waiting for the UFOs to come down, I don't picture it
(continuation of
the activity) is going to happen."

[W 7]******

Source: Inside Denver Rocky Mountain News
Date:  August 9, 1998
From: bernhard.nahrgang@ob.kamp.net (Bernhard Nahrgang)

'Area 51' really does exist, but still, nobody's talking

By Thomas Hargrove Scripps Howard News Service

Many people who believe in UFOs also think that "Area 51" -- dried-up
Groom Lake in Nevada -- is where the Air Force keeps the flying
saucers it captured.

And maybe an autopsied alien body or two.

Others think the military base is the testing grounds for America's
most secret military machines, everything from the F-117 Stealth
fighter to electro-magnetic pulse weapons that would make Buck Rogers
nervous.

What is certain is that there is something in that moonscape property
north of Las Vegas. Officially designated the "Nellis Air Force
Bombing and Gunnery Range," the federally protected territory covers
an area equal to Rhode Island and Connecticut.

What also is certain is that 1,851 federal civilian workers are
employed in mostly well-compensated jobs at several ultra-high-
security facilities in and near the range, according to a Scripps
Howard News Service analysis of U.S. Office of Personnel Management
payroll records.

"This really is one of the last big secret military bases in the
United States," said Jeff Moag, a National Security News Service
researcher in Washington. "It used to be that the Air Force tried to
pretend that Area 51 didn't exist at all."

The Air Force last year conceded the existence of the base when it
released a publication that suggested experimental Cold War-era
aircraft could have been mistaken for flying saucers.

Whatever they do in the Nellis Bombing Range continues
under the Clinton administration.

Payroll records show the Department of Energy, which controls the
nation's stockpile of nuclear bombs, employs 32 people in Mercury,
Nev., the only town inside the bombing range.

But non-government military observers for several years have said
they think that hundreds, or thousands, of military and civilian
workers who are employed in the desert facilities take daily flights
from Las Vegas airfields into the base. The computer records appear
to confirm this.

The Department of Energy officially employs 448 people in the Las
Vegas area, even though there are no known federal projects in the
city that could justify such employment. The Air Force has 1,068
civilian employees there, some of whom certainly work at Nellis Air
Force Base.

But more suspect are the 166 civilian employees of the departments of
Defense and Army, the 156 Environmental Protection Agency workers,
the 10 Federal Emergency Management Agency employees and at least two
representatives of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff. Some of
these people work in classified operations at the bombing range.

The payroll for all of the civilian workers in the area totaled 80.6
million dollars.

[W 8]******

Source: Computer Active
Publish date: August 1998

Visitors from outer space

Scientists at Stanford University in Connecticut have confirmed what
us mere mortals have known all along - that talk of UFOs is nothing
to be scoffed at.

The independent scientific study, the first of its kind for nearly 30
years, came up with some interesting conclusions. The review,
organised by Peter Sturrock, professor of applied physics, and backed
by the Society for Scientific Exploration, admitted that some UFO
sightings had such compelling physical evidence as to warrant further
investigation.

"It may be valuable to carefully evaluate UFO reports to extract
information about unusual phenomena currently unknown to science,"
says the panel, and that to be credible to the scientific community,
"such evaluations must take place with a spirit of objectivity and a
willingness to evaluate rival hypothesis."

The physical evidence spoken of includes radio, photographic, radar
and soil evidence. Although many of the reported sightings can be
explained away by being put down to natural phenomena or ascribed to
secret military activity, some deserved further looking into.

However, the panel stopped short of actually confirming the existence
of UFOs.


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A FEARFUL SYMMETRY

A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES

By D. Lynne Bishop

A FEARFUL SYMMETRY Copyright 1995 by D. Lynne Bishop

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stored in a retrieval system or transmitted in any form or by any
means, electronic or mechanical including photocopying, recording or
otherwise without prior permission of the publisher, except by a
reviewer who may quote brief passages.

First Printing September 1995

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CHAPTER 14

Winter had set in with a vengeance, and fighting freezing rain, snow,
and sleet had exhausted my husband and me.  Very few days, much less
nights, had been clear of the interminable gray clouds, and on
January 25, I felt as leaden as the skies had been.  My spirits
lifted by that evening, when several stars peered through the
overcast, and the clouds drifted apart to reveal a clean, clear sky.
We snuggled under the many blankets on the bed, feeling cocooned by
the enveloping warmth--and peacefully drifted off to sleep.  The tape
recorder lay on the bedside table, ready to catch any sound.

Just a few minutes before 1:00 A.M., I awoke and glanced at the
bedside clock.  I rolled over onto my left side, seeking a
comfortable position.  My foot slipped off the edge of the bed, and
with an inward laugh, I thought, "Oops, better get my foot back on
the bed."  Immediately upon the heels of that thought, I realized I
was paralyzed and my sense of hearing had disappeared.  My familiar
world faded, as I sensed several "presences" standing near the bed,
at my waist level.  These creatures moved the covers off me, but not
without difficulty.  In surprise, I noticed they had trouble
manipulating the blankets, as if not used to having to lift that type
of impediment.  An ironic laugh flashed through my mind, as I
thought, "They must have sent the class on a field trip, and the
teacher didn't come with them to show them how it's done."  After
some initial tugging back and forth, I finally "slid" toward the
waiting creatures.  The residual fear from my last encounter came to
the fore, as I thought to my husband--hoping he would know, somehow--
"In case I don't come back, I love you."

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             Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos

From: Ignatius Graffeo <Ufoseek@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:41:57 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:27:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Symbols in Roswell 'Flying Saucer Crash' Photos



The Roswell Photo Interpretation Team (RPIT) web page on the
photo enhancements/enlargements of the Roswell debris is very
revealing.

The symbols there match the I-beam glyphics in the Santilli
autopsy film.

It would be interesting know what the connection is between
these 2 photos. Did James Bond Johson also take the photo shown
in the Santilli film?

Please see our research on these symbols done in March of 1996.

http://members.aol.com/ufoseek/

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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:25:21 +0100
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:05:56 -0400
Subject: (94) part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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     /  /  //  /    /  /  /  N E T W O R K           part 1 Issue 94
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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in 58 countries.

This issue comes in 3 parts. If any part is missing please mail:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be
reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject
section e.g.  Repost {94} part 1, part 2 or part 3.

In this issue:

Editorial
---------

An apology from Dave.
New guest Jesse Marcel jnr.
Special thanks.

United Kingdom News
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[UK 1] Was it aliens..?
[UK 2] Meteorite comes from Mars
[UK 3] Factfile life on Mars
[UK 4] A Weekend in Wiltshire
[UK 5] Mystified by object (Derby)
[UK 6] The End of Death: 'Soul Catcher' Computer Chip Due...
[UK 7] Uri Geller's Weird Web

World News
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[W 1] That's one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind
[W 2] Q & A
[W 3] Close Encounter with the Black Triangle
[W 4] An encounter with a Black Triangle UFO
[W 5] Fossil finds 'point to life on Mars'
[W 6] Robert Bigelow gives first interview about UFO
[W 7] 'Area 51' really does exist, but still, nobody's talking
[W 8] Visitors from outer space

Book serialisation
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A FEARFUL SYMMETRY

A TRUE STORY OF ALIEN INTRUSION INTO HUMAN LIVES

By D. Lynne Bishop

World Wide Web addresses
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UFO/Alien related url's submitted by readers

Letters
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Letters you have sent us.

New UFO novel
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'The Mission' by Ed Benjamin.


Editorial
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An apology

Dave writes: Hello everyone. May I extend my apologies to you for having not
kept you up to date with information regarding the e-zine over the last
couple of months. Many of you thought we had finished and had no information
to tell you otherwise. The truth of the matter is I had to turn my attentions
elsewhere for a time. However here we are back again, feeling refreshed and
raring to go.

I cannot thank Lloydy enough for having come to my rescue and getting the
last issue out. I know he was a little worried whether he could do it. You
did an excellent job my friend.

Lloydy stems from a beautiful part of Wales in the UK right down there in the
Valleys. Lloydy will be partnering up with me to bring you further issues of
the e-zine. By the way although his name is Lloyd everyone calls him Lloydy.

If you would like to get in touch with us at any time our e-mail addresses
are:

ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk

lloyd@power-age.demon.co.uk

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New guest on uk.ufo.nw IRC channel

We are very pleased and honoured to announce that Jesse Marcel jr has agreed
to join us as a guest at a future meeting. As most of you will probably know
Jesse is the son of the late Major Jesse Marcel who was the first person
after Mac Brazel to see the wreckage at Roswell in July 1947. A date for the
meeting has yet to be decided. Watch this space for more information
including connection details.

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Special Thanks.

We'd like to take this opportunity to thank a long time reporter for the
uk.ufo.nw e-zine without whom many of the excellent reports within its
contents would never appear.

Carnado
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Carnado has been scouring the Net almost since the e-zine began, searching
out and sending to us reports from many different sources.

Many thanks Carnado.

And don't forget readers we totally count on your contributions to. Please
send us any newspaper, magazine, TV, video, internet reports that you feel
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===================

[UK 1]******

Source: Berrows Worcester Journal
Publish date: 7th August 1998
From: Thornton

Was it aliens..?

If the X-Files special agent Mulder is right and the truth is out there,
Angela Wright is keen to discover what it is.

The Droitwich woman claims she had a close encounter with an unidentified
flying object as she and partner Robert Hughes drove near Worcester.

Angela, who says the UFO caused her car radio to cut out, wants to know if
anyone else saw strange lights in the sky.

The late night encounter happened as Angela and Robert drove towards Pershore
on the old Worcester Road and saw a "huge machine in the sky" as they passed
the Berkeley Arms.

"We saw something with a huge row of lights either side and about the size of
a house," said 53 year old Angela.

"We watched it for around 30 seconds before it just disappeared.

"We weren't scared or shocked by it, just completely overwhelmed.

"The emotion was put on hold while we stared in awe.

"We just thought 'what the hell was that?'

"It didn't have the look or contours of a plane because you see dozens of
them in the sky and recognise them immediately.

"We'd just like to know if anyone else in the area saw anything."

Angela, a factory worker, said the radio cut out when the machine loomed into
view about 30ft above them and came back on when after it left.

An RAF spokesman said skies were constantly monitored for any hostile bodies,
but no unusual activities had been reported on Monday, July 20th, when Angela
spotted the strange lights.

"If it was an alien invasion, we would be the first to know about it." he
added.

[UK 2]******

Source: Teletext (ITV text service)
Publish date: Monday 10th August 1998

Meteorite comes from Mars

British scientists have announced that a meteorite recovered from the Sahara
Desert is from Mars.

Meteorite experts from the Open University said the findings could provide
the latest breakthrough in the search for evidence of life on Mars.

The private collector who owns it could now earn about 1.4 million pounds
sterling as researchers clamour for a piece of the 2.2kg rock.

[UK 3]******

Source: Teletext Factfile (ITV text service)
Publish date: Monday 10th August 1998

Factfile life on Mars

Mars has held a grip over the human imagination ever since HG Wells penned
his novel 'The War Of The Worlds' in 1898. The Martians he said regarded this
Earth with envious eyes.

The first hint of extraterrestrial life was detected by Nasa scientists from
a meteorite that originated on Mars found in Antarctica in 1984.

A meteorite from Mars which was found 14 years ago revealed chemical evidence
suggesting that simple forms of life existed on the planet 3 billion years
ago.

In 1989 jeweller David Greenberg said he hoped to beam up a fortune after
betting 1000 pounds sterling on man reaching Mars by the year 2003.

In the last few years bookmakers have cut the odds on the discovery of
intelligent life in space after talk of primitive life on Mars and new
discoveries about the moons of Jupiter.

Last month a Japanese space craft set off on a voyage to Mars. Japanese
companies are working on extravagant schemes to build lunar colonies.

In July Nasa scientists revealed Mars was once awash with water. Photos from
the unmanned Pathfinder probe showed an area hit by catastrophic flooding 3
billion years ago.

In 1976 Viking spacecraft landed on Mars and returned eerie pictures of a
rock strewn surface beneath a pink sky.

Mars in 40 million miles further from the sun than Earth and has an average
surface temperature of -60C. Days are longer there at 24.75 hours and there
are 687 days in a year.

The green markings seen on Mars through telescopes are caused by darker rock
over which winds have whipped the red dust of the surface.

The planet has a poisonous atmosphere of carbon dioxide and a pressure 100th
that of Earth making it very inhospitable for humans. But of all the planets
in the solar system scientists believe it is the one most likely to have some
kind of life.

Earlier this year some of the worlds leading astronomers revealed they had
collected more than 100 unexplained radio signals during routine surveillance
of space.

Many say they believe they would detect radio signals from alien
civilisations by the year 2000.

[UK 4]******

From: Sean Jones <Tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date sent: Wednesday 29th July 1998

uk.ufo.nw says: Our sincere thanks to Sean Jones for permission to print from
his recent report 'A Weekend in Wiltshire'.  Seans home page can be found at
url:

http://www.tedric.demon.co.uk/wiltshire.htm

Photographs from Wiltshire can be found at the following urls:

http://www.power-age.demon.co.uk/crop98/crop98.htm - Pics from Wiltshire
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/colin.light/cropcircles/ - More pics from Wiltshire

You will also find an article in the September/October issue of the UK issue
of UFO Magazine by Sean '101 Possible Explanations for UFOs - Having seen
sceptics claim there are hundreds of conventional theories to explain away
UFO sightings, Sean Jones set about the difficult task of trying to determine
precisely how many. At the end of a lengthy study, his assembled findings
make for fascinating reading.'

We would like to hear from any of you out there attending sky watches etc.
and who have or would like to write a report on the proceeding for
consideration of being printed in a future issue of the e-zine. Your group
doesn't necessarily have to have experienced anything. You may have a funny
story to tell.
A Weekend in Wiltshire

--

Two weeks ago it was discussed with members of UK-UFO-Network about meeting
with Darren at the Barge Inn (the Mecca of croppies world-wide) for a crop
watching weekend after Matthew Williams filmed some lights in the vicinity of
a crop formation.

Ok that's the formal intro over with. We had a ruddy great time. I laughed my
throat raw with the amount of laughter that I produced over the thirty-six or
so hours that I was there. For me it started when Jerry Anderson (Jez_UFO,
the Co-ordinator of UFOMEK) came round to my place ready to join Vash and I
down there. After all why take two cars when mine was only half full? Jerry
should be a stand-up comedian for the amount of funnies he comes out with. We
got off a little late but soon made up time, as the orbital car park was
actually moving!

While we were driving down the last stretch of road to the Barge we was
treated to our first Crop Circle (CC), it was a fake (IMHO) but we'll get
back to that later. Needless to say we stopped the car and got out to have a
good look. Jez was not up for us to go traipsing through the farmers field
without permission so we didn't actually go in it :-( We saw two more on our
final few miles, by golly Wiltshire is rife with CC's.

We turned up about twenty past four, twenty minutes late but we were the
first one there! Well not quite Darren literally strolled in about a minute
after us. LLoydy turned up about twenty minutes after that looking as bright
and breezy as ever. As for Crow and Raine, well ahem you can't blame Dave
Gilham's fifty miles an hour top speed driving, no I'm sorry you can't. Just
because you were just three, yes three hours late, sorry no excuses go to the
back of the classroom and stand in the corner. :-)

Whilst we were waiting for the latecomers to arrive, Darren, Jez, Lloydy and
I introduced each other and got down to the serious business of the first (of
many) pints. We were joined soon after by a chap called Simon who had many
theories about CC's and what makes them, delightful chap, he went off and
came back later wearing a anorak, need I say more?

As the hour approached that you could order food, after all man cannot live
by beer alone (well you could try but I doubt it), we all ordered some
calories for consumption thereof and lo and behold just as the chips arrived
infront of me Raine and co turned up. Now is that just coincidence or has
Raine got a brilliant sense of timing??

We had a good ole chinwag. Dave Gilham came back into the pub and dragged
Crow off to see another CC. Poor Raine had literally just got him a pint in,
"ah I'll have to drink it," she says with a small grin. More chat and merry
making followed whilst we awaited the return of the intrepid Dave and co. As
we were making preparations for our mass move to Knotts Hill for the crop
watch Dave and Crow arrived with about ten minutes to spare. Crow did mention
about Dave lying in the CC staring up at the sky muttering summat or other.
Anyway we all moved out, first off to the wood yard to get some firewood,
then off to the crop watch site. Funny thing this, the time to move to the
crop watching site was also the time that they was calling last orders, more
coincidences? :-)

We had barely got to the site and unloaded all the firewood from the cars
when word reached Paul Damon, who told us all straight away, that there was a
BBC film crew out with the famous Doug, of Doug and Dave fame. They were out
to hoax a CC and discredit all the hard work and research done by many. After
a quick discussion it was decided that we would go up and politely ask the
BBC crew not to do so. A few of the gathering stayed behind to look after the
now established campsite. We all piled in as many cars as was needed and
drove at reasonable speed limit conscious speeds :-) to get to the BBC crew
as quickly as possible.

We went straight to the farmers field where the BBC crew were and all piled
out of our cars. Paul and his mate who's name I have forgot, confronted the
crew and asked them what they was doing up here at night. The crew leader
informed us that he did not have to let us know what he was doing and asked
us to leave or he would call the police. Paul said please do call the police,
and asked him if he had the farmers' permission to be out here on his fields
at night? As we were talking with the leader of the crew more and more cars
pulled up with more people indignant at the front of the BBC crew. Around
forty to fifty people eventually arrived on the scene. Paul asked them what
they were doing here at night and they admitted what they were up to. A woman
within the film crew said they were here at night because that was when all
CC's where made, I had to pipe up here I'm afraid. "I'm sorry but you are
wrong young lady, CC's appear twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,
three hundred and sixty five days a year". She did not reply to this but
walked off talking to someone on her mobile phone. After a moderately heated
discussion the film crew agreed to do an impromptu interview with Paul Damon
and his mate. I won't be waiting with baited breath to see this on
Television. A much calmer and more settled crowd dispersed with only a small
amount of muttering after the interview. It later transpired that the crew
with the help of a few "experts" did make a formation but elsewhere thanks to
our intervention.

After examining the CC, Lloydy, Raine and I decided to make our way back.
When we got back there was only Crow and Jerry waiting for us. We had a quick
chat and decided to go and find a Little Chef for a breakfast. Please take
note gentlemen, Vash did not appreciate not being woken from her slumber and
asking her if she wanted to join us. She said she was mightily annoyed waking
up and finding herself all

We made our way down the winding country road stopping at several CC's and
getting right in them. We also went to Silbury hill, the largest man made
hill in Europe, I foolishly offered to race Lloydy up the steep slope rather
than the easy walk to get to the top of Silbury Hill. My legs where like
jelly when I got up there five minutes after the fit git, but I still beat
all the others.

After this we went to the CC that Dave Gilham took Crow to the night before.
We took a few pictures. It was a truly fantastic size and pattern. Darren met
us here and got a few of us to try the dowsing rods. I have to say that I was
one of the few that it actually worked for, boy was I chuffed. After this
particular CC, which I was 50/50 about being genuine we went to Avebury. Of
course we had to visit the tourist trap gift shop but then how could you
avoid it. Darren had us all sit in the "Devils Chair" to see what we felt,
again I was one of the lucky ones, I didn't feel it. I was decidedly
knackered now, it was twevlish and I had been up since seven thirty the day
before.

We made our way back to the Barge Inn to find out if there was any news about
the hoax CC that the BBC crew were up to. We found out that the crew had
indeed, with the aid of a few others made a fake CC in which they intended to
discredit the whole phenomenon. Fortunately Matt Williams and Paul Damon were
there making up a sign to inform visitors that it was an intentional hoax. We
got directions to where it was supposed to be and decided to drop in on the
the hoax on our way home. Unfortunately we missed it, but Crow and co were
able to make it.  We did see the white crane that the BBC were using for
filming. Crow had a chat with Doug whose opinion of the whole phenomenon was
that all CC's are fake. Doug told Crow that he had loads of letters from
people who had faked CC's which had fooled the experts. This only served to
bolster the UK-UFO-Online CC's sceptic, Crow, that his opinion was right.

My personal opinion is different from crow's but I feel that there are so
many fake CC's which are very good that it is only damaging the hard work
done by many researching this fascinating phenomenon.

[UK 5]******

From: Paul Grosse <pagrosse@compuserve.com>
Source: Derby Evening Telegraph - Letters Page
Publish Date: 17th August 1998

Mystified by object

On Wednesday, August 12 1998, at around 10.35pm, I was returning home after
an evening's entertainment when I happened to notice a pale green glowing
object in the sky above Derby.

I pulled over to the side of the road and observed the object for about 10
minutes.

After hovering for a short time, the object suddenly accelerated away to the
right, before disappearing vertically from view.

It was a clear night and when I wound down my window the objected [sic]
emitted no noise. I am at a loss to explain it.

I wonder if any of your readers saw the object?

Douglas Saltire, Vicarage Road, Mickleover, Derby.

uk.ufo.nw says: Paul is making further enquiries into this matter. Watch for
a further update. And of course if any of you have further information
regarding this sighting or any other please get in touch.

[UK 6] ******

uk.ufo.nw says: another occasional report on technology.

Source: Sightings On The Radio
Source: The Electronic Telegraph
From: "dplace" <dplace@dreamscape.com>

The End of Death: 'Soul Catcher' Computer Chip Due...

By Robert Uhlig

A computer chip implanted behind the eye that could record a person's every
lifetime thought and sensation is to be developed by British scientists.
"This is the end of death," said Dr. Chris Winter, of British Telecom's
artificial life team. He predicted that within three decades it would be
possible to relive other people's lives by playing back their experiences on
a computer. "By combining this information with a record of the person's
genes, we could recreate a person physically, emotionally and spiritually."
Dr. Winter's team of eight scientists at BT's Martlesham Heath Laboratories
near Ipswich calls the chip the 'Soul Catcher.' It would be possible to imbue
a new-born baby with a lifetime's experiences by giving him or her the Soul
Catcher chip of a dead person, Dr. Winter said. The proposal to digitize
existence is based on a solid calculation of how much data the brain copes
with over a lifetime. Ian Pearson , BT's official futurologist, has measured
the flow of impulses from the optical nerve and nerves in the skin, tongue,
ear, and nose. Over an eighty year life, we process 10 terrabytes of data,
equivalent to the storage capacity of 7,142,857,142,860,000 floppy disks. Dr.
Pearson said, "If current trends in the miniaturization of computer memory
continues at the rate of the past 20 years - a factor of 100 every decade -
today's 8-megabyte memory chip norm will be able to store 10 terrabytes in 30
years." British Telecom would not divulge how much money it is investing in
the project, but Dr. Winter said it was taking 'Soul Catcher 2025' very
seriously. He admitted that there were profound ethical considerations, but
emphasized that BT was embarking on this line of research to enable it to
remain at the forefront of communications technology. "An implanted chip
would be like an aircraft's black box and would enhance communications beyond
current concepts," he said. "For example, police would be able to use it to
relive an attack, rape, or murder from the victim's viewpoint to help catch
the criminal." Other applications would be less useful but more frightening.
"I could even play back the smells, sounds, and sights of my holiday to my
friends," Dr. Winter said.

[UK 7]******

Source: The Times Interface
Publish date: 12th August 1998

Uri Geller's Weird Web

Here's something to try at home. Take a handful of wheat seeds, and plant
them. In another pot, sow more seeds - taken from a crop circle. See which
grows faster.

If crop circle investigator Paul Vigay is right, the mysterious force which
creates intricate patterns in fields, doesn't just flatten corn - it
genetically improves it.

To find a crop circle near you, turn to:

http://www.interalpha.net/customer/pvigay/cirlces.html

and get e-mail alerts to every fresh formation. You can expect your mailbox
to be busy - there have been about 200 circles every year this decade.

Can all these be hoaxes? Last month a series of circles on Milk Hill in
Wiltshire was blamed on the BBC's Country File team, and a national newspaper
is believed to have commissioned another fraud at nearby Silbury Hill. But
these are just two - out of scores.

How could hoaxers generate the high radioactive levels Vigay says he found at
some circles? Why would radio interference increase? Why do dowsers' rods
start twitching inside the corn formations? Why does electronic apparatus
such as mobile phones suddenly go haywire?

UFO spotters have been flocking to the East Field at Alton Barnes, near
Devizes, since a snowflake design was etched into the corn last month.

One woman believes she has caught on video three silver globes moving inside
the crop circle. Army helicopters have been seen in profusion, and many
witnesses insist they watched a helicopter chasing a sphere across the field.
Crop circle researcher Colin Andrews says a Japanese film crew there are
delighted - they have filmed bizarre occurrences seven nights running.

Hoax or otherwise, crop circles are great artworks. The best images online
are at:

http://cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/connect.html


World News
==========

[W 1]******

Source: Focus
Publish date: March 1997

That's one small step for man, one giant lie for mankind

Did we ever make it to the moon, or was the Space Race a sinister cover-up by
the Super Powers? The man-on-the-moon plot is just the start of it...

Some of us can actually remember the Apollo 11 show that NASA put on in July
1969, when half the world sat glued to their TVs watching Neil Armstrong and

Buzz Aldrin cavorting around on the moon. At the time, people joked that it
was complete make-believe. Today you'll still find people who think that it
was a put-up job by NASA, shot in a Hollywood studio.

The Nobody-Went-To-The-Moon theory and doesn't grab everyone on the
conspiracy circuit, some insist that a different, much more sinister cover-up
took place. They believe in the existence of secret tapes on which Aldrin and
Armstrong are recorded gasping at the vast array of UFOs parked around their
landing site. NASA, of course, censored the exchange and the astronauts have
since denied seeing anything - but they would, wouldn't they? Not much point
in citing all the evidence that the tapes were a hoax, then.

William L Brian II has another take on the Nobody-Went-To-The-Moon line.
According to the cover notes on his book Moongate: Suppressed Findings of the
US. Space Program, he "has the mathematical and conceptual skills to verify
the cover-up from a scientific standpoint". Once inside, Brian proceeds to
batter the reader with many an algebraic formula that, he says, prove the
Moon's gravitational field is 64 per cent as strong as Earth's.. Brian
reasons that NASA employed 'semi-slow motion' photography to create the
clever illusion of the astronauts bouncing about under low gravity.

So what are we to make of the Apollo 15 crew's recreation of Galileo's famous
experiment, in which a hammer and feather were dropped on the 'airless' Moon
and both fell at the same rate? "The feather probably concealed a rather
heavy object," says Brian, without a flicker of a smile. Strong lunar gravity
also means that the Moon could hold an atmosphere to its bosom. Where there's
air, there may be life, runs Brian's reasoning.

These theories are all very well, but why, exactly, would NASA attempt to
cover-up the moon's true gravity and atmosphere? In particular, why would
they want to hide what Brian describes as the moon's "saffroncoloured sky,
vegetation and animal life, snowcapped mountains, lakes and rivers"?

Why? Because aliens live there, of course. They even have an anti-gravity
monorail according to Brian). And everyone knows that no government
organisation on Earth will ever admit to knowing anything about aliens.

Scientists can't resist pointing out that if the moon's gravitational field
is as powerful as Brian says, the Moon would have to weigh a lot more than it
does. In which case, it would be in a different orbit, since that is governed
by the moon's mass and Earth's gravitational pull. But Brian is convinced he
knows better. However, all of which pales beside the claims made by Milton
William Cooper in various Internet postings at the end of the Eighties...

Alien-gate: are the Super Powers part of a secret Alien coalition?

"This file contains the absolute true information regarding the alien
presence on Earth and the US government's involvement with the aliens,"
Cooper trumpeted, working up to the thrilling climax: "This file is my death
warrant." (Seven years later, he appears to be very much alive and well, and
living in Arizona).

Cooper has his own theories on why the US space program was one gigantic
hoax. He maintains that even as President Kennedy announced the plan to put a
man on the Moon, a joint alien/USA/USSR moonbase already existed.
Furthermore, he insists that on 22 May 1962, "a space probe landed on Mars
and confirmed the existence of an environment which could support life. Not
long afterward, the construction of a colony on the planet Mars began in
earnest. Cities now exist on Mars populated by specifically selected people
from different cultures and occupations, taken from all over the Earth.

"A charade of antagonism between the Soviet Union and the United States has
been maintained over all these years in order to fund projects in the name of
National Defence - when in fact we are close allies."

Cooper maintained that Kennedy had been killed in Dallas in 1963 because he
was about to reveal 'The Truth' about the alien presence on Earth (not to
mention Mars). He rather spoiled his case by showing a film of assassination
that, he said, showed the driver of Kennedy's car, Bill Greer, firing the
fatal shot. As revealed in our October issue, the film shows both Greer's
hands firmly on the wheel. Perhaps he was a three-armed alien?

There's absolutely nothing new about the International-Alien conspiracy,
according to Cooper. "Throughout our history the aliens have manipulated and
ruled the human race through religion, witchcraft and the occult.

"The secret government, in cahoots with the aliens, has a fiendish plan to
establish colonies in outer space. I am not able to either confirm or deny
the existence of 'Batch Consignments' of human slaves to be used for manual
labour.

"As a delaying action [the plan] included birth control, sterilisation, and
the introduction of deadly microbes to slow the growth of the Earth's
population. AIDS is only one result of these plans." Astonishing.

Did NASA stage the biggest cover-up In history to protect moon aliens?

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                            Alfred's Odd Ode #267

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:55:47 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:32:03 -0400
Subject: Alfred's Odd Ode #267


Apology to MW #267 (For August 29, 1998)

We should try to fly our moon -- fly the rocks in all our skies!
Pay the *rock hounds* handsomely; let them _leave_ if they
desire. Let them grow to independence, and the Earth should let
them go, with a grubstake, _and_ no promises that a profit they
must show!

It's then we live among the stars, and we're safe within our
rocks that, by law, must spin for gravity -- cans of earth and
common stock. No need to _build_ your space ship, just pack a
'roid with ice, and heat it up with mirrors, son; _blow_ it like
a bubble -- nice <g>. Arm the poles with thrusters, then, to
keep it good and firm, and live like beings that _pay_ their
freight -- free to give and learn!

Then _mine_ your home -- imagine that! You carve the walls, it's
MONEY, Brad! Your home gets bigger as you go, you move in
families -- then what do you know! You've cities in space that
_import_ from the Earth; exporting the stuff that shall lift the
Earth's curse! And in this sweet bargain a threat is reduced;
it's used up improving _star systems_ we use! There's WATER and
EARTH in the skies up above. It threatens us, NOW, like a fist
in a glove! We turn it to profit!! We turn it to LIFE!!! We END
our indifference -- we END our mean strife!!!!

The closer the bolus (you'd think, off the cuff) would threaten
us most and then scare you enough. But that is NOT true, you're
spinning your wheel; the truth is it's BETTER the closer's the
deal! NEA's are our bases! We launch our assaults on a threat
_unimagined_ awaiting us, Walt -- missiles that come from the
far stellar reaches . . . where stars have exploded from pasts
that beseech us!

So, worst comes to worse, and the planet's hit anyway? Then, a
_savior_ flies down from the asteroids, Hemmingway! The eggs, as
they stand, have _all_ been  in one basket (the better insured
we inhabit a casket). Humanity's _doomed_ if we don't move from
here; this is _not_ exaggeration -- even science says it's
clear!!

And, yes, comes a time when they'd want independence -- like
children I'm posing, new nations are _born_. These are the seeds
of humanity leaving for parts far away that shall beckon, and
warn.

These people, now not Earth folk, will stand apart from us. They
have a new allegiance to _themselves_ they have to trust! They
_must_ respect the Earth? Then the Earth must step up _first_ --
all the cups then overflowing with respect, so no one thirsts!

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

Everyone wants respect, independence, and self-reliance if they
can get it. Send someone to the moon long enough and they become
Lunan. Visitors to Mars, after a time, _become_ Martian. It's
the _approach_ of the motherland that seems to dictate if the
colony becomes an enemy or not (if I am to believe history,
_any_ portion of my *founding* fathers, or the plot line of
Babylon 5 <g>). The asteroids we colonize could become like
little city states, banding together into a loose federation of
their own? Declaring an independence from a hated, clutching,
and abusive Earth? . . . Better to let them go. Profit _hugely_,
rather, from a success that was always (?) encouraged in
atmospheres of mutual respect and appreciation. Right.

It's all about survival, whether your children can stand on
their own two feet, and _if_ they have REASON to love you enough
to include you in their success. Independence is a given -- it's
understood. So, let's quit screwing around, cop to the
inevitable, and go fly those rocks! Again,
we've everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

Let's go!

Restore John Ford!
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Explore the Alien View? <Updated 26 August>

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"I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from
afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, while burning at the
fundamentalist's stake.








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From: BufoCalvin@aol.com
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:23:07 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:28:42 -0400
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sure it is clear that you are forwarding it).

August 29, 1998

Slow week...if the SCI-FI CHANNEL didn't keep running SIGHTINGS twice a day,
and the good old reliable DISCOVERY CHANNEL, there wouldn't be much.

TELEVISION

A&E
Sunday, August 30, 11:30 AM, AMERICAN JUSTICE: THE BOSTON STRANGLER (includes
the use of psychics)

THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL
Saturday, August 30, 6:00 PM, SCIENCE MYSTERIES: ALIEN ABDUCTION, THE REAL
STORY
Sunday, August 30, 1:00 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S WORLD OF STRANGE POWERS: HAVE
WE LIVED BEFORE?
Sunday, August 30, 1:30 PM, ARTHUR C. CLARKE'S MYSTERIOUS UNIVERSE: MYSTERIES
FROM HEAVEN (includes Shroud of Turin)
Sunday, August 30, 2:00 PM, ANIMAL X: IN THE SHADOWS (includes cattle
mutilations and a "hypnotic dog", whatever that means)
Sunday, August 30, 2:30 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THE GIANT SLOTH
Thursday, September 3, 9:00 PM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THE BEAST OF THE MOORS (big
cat sightings in Bodmin)
Friday, September 4, 1:00 AM, INTO THE UNKNOWN: THE BEAST OF THE MOORS (big
cat sightings in Bodmin)
Friday, September 4, 10:00 PM, LOCH NESS DISCOVERED

SYNDICATED
Monday, August 31, MONTEL WILLIAMS: psychic Sylvia Browne
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                     Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union

From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:51:56 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:26:41 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union

Dear Colleague,

I would once again like to ask for your assistance. I am still
attempting to research the UFO phenomenon in the former Soviet
Union with a view (more of a hope) to eventually publish this
research. I am therefore looking for any and all types of UFO
data but especially information on
the following:

UFO Photographs
UFO Sightings
UFO Abduction Cases
UFO Crash Cases
UFO Landings
UFO Contactees
UFO Documentation By Official Sources (KGB etc)
UFO Sightings By The Soviet Military Or Cosmonauts
Crop Circles

In short, I am looking for anything and everything to do with
UFOs in the former Soviet Union.

I would respectfully like to ask you to forward this on to any
of your colleagues who you might think can help with this
research.

I am also looking for names and addresses of UFO groups,
researchers, publications etc in the former Soviet Union. If you
can supply any of these I would again be most grateful.

Thank you for your kind cooperation with this request.


Yours Sincerely,


Philip Mantle.


Philip Mantle,
1 Woodhall Drive,
Batley,
West Yorkshire,
England, WF17 7SW.
Tele/Fax: 01924 444049.
E-mail: el51@dial.pipex.com

Co-author of 'Beyond Roswell' and former Director of
Investigations for the British UFO Research Association.







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                     Re: UFO UpDate: Friedman Lectures?

From: Allan Clayton <aclayton@vision.net.au>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:04:39 +1000
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:33:21 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Friedman Lectures?


>From: "Sharon Kardol" <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Friedman Lecture
>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:50 +0800

>G'day,

>Just curious if anyone knows if Mr Friedman
>will be appearing in Perth, West Aust. at all
>during his tour?

>There's comfort in the classics.

Well, if he is, don't bother wasting your time going...  I ended
up going to the one in Tassie and it was the biggest waste of
time!

The first half of the lecture was on statistics and defining
what an unknown, possible known (and a couple others) is. Then
we got on to what a UFO is then IFO and even then why he doesn't
use UFO in his lectures!  Je that was exciting..

The other half was on Roswell and to my understanding wasn't
very accurate or very well explained...

He seemed more interested in his self praise and attempted humor
(which wasn't very funny!) than anything else...

Mind you, I did feel sorry for him when it came to question
time...  Some of the questions that where asked where absolutly
stupid but then in the same respect, his answers where more or
less right off the topic and some where not even answers to the
questions....

All in all, I was very disappointed with it and I hope his book
is a lot better..

Does anyone else who has been to his lectures feel the same way
or is it just me?

bye
alf






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              Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City

From: Asgeir Waehre Skavhaug <KONAWS@statoil.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:54:16 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:25:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City


>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:39 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: David Furlotte <furry@nobelmed.com>
>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City  Disc

>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0400
>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>I must comment on this message since evidence has been in the
>>video which suggests a video hoax. Some of that evidence is
>>directly illustrated in the attached GIF image of four frames
>>from the video. In two of the frames, one above the other, on
>>the right side there are building images which are sharp. In two

Hi List,

Quick question on the videographic "evidence" and the resultant
"investigation" of such.

Blurring as in Soft focus is being maintained as camera shift
from being handheld I take it?

I concede that this is all too possible however, is it also not


Are the procedures for analysis of photographic evidence more or
less "standardised"?

Could they be smilar to the procedures mentioned, e.g., in this
report:

-    http://www.jse.com/ufo_reports/Sturrock/toc.html  (See Appendix 2
here.)






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                        P-1947: MUFON Accomplishments

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@JPS.NET>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:49:26 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:59:36 -0400
Subject: P-1947: MUFON Accomplishments


Jan Aldrich wrote:

>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:04:11 -0700
>From: Jan Aldrich <jan@CYBERZONE.NET>
>Subject: Re: MUFON Accomplishments
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:37:06 -0700
>>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@JPS.NET>
>>Subject: MUFON Accomplishments
>>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Hi Larry,

><snip>

>>I don't want to enter this debate.

>>I must add, however that the Mufon UFO Journal, with one of the
>>longest runs in a spotty publishing world, has provided me and
>>my *U* UFO Database with no less than 1005 sightings as the
>>primary source .. some 5.8% .. which is pretty considerable.

>>Only one or two other sources (books/journals etc.) have
>>contributed more, out of a list of hundreds.

>>The MJ is credited as a secondary source for an additional
>>383 listings.My biggest complaint is that an awful lot (or so
>>I hear) of very good reports lie hidden somewhere in Texas,
>>and never saw the light of day in the MJ or anywhere else.

>Larry, you would probably be surprised. I visited MUFON after
>the Austin Symposium. They did have large amount of
>reports--filed by location, then by date--but not as many as I
>would have thought. They did not have many for 1952 and before,
>the time I was interested in for that visit. Appearances are
>deceiving.

>I think much of the material is decentralized and not
>necessarily at Seguin. (See the earlier post about Georgia
>sightings.)

>One fatal error that Walt made was turning down George Fawcett's
>collection. ("I don't want these scrapbook and all those
>clippings. Just junk.")  Talk about infuriating mistakes this
>one is a whopper. George's collections contain many reports--no
>just clippings--from the time before MUFON. Fawcett's early
>report forms were inadequate, and they were hardly worth
>anything unless people wrote additional details one the back,
>which many people did. Fawcett's collections would have nearly
>doubled the material on hand at Seguin and Walt could have sold
>off the books, magazines and other material and used the
>proceeds for the MUFON treasury. A big mistake!  Certainly not
>an effort to preserve useful material.

>>Best wishes

>>-  Larry Hatch

>--
>Jan Aldrich
>Project 1947
>http://www.iufog.org/project1947/
>P. O. Box 391, Canterbury, CT 06331, USA
>Telephone: (860) 546-9135


Jan:   Thank you for your timely post.

I had gotten quite a different impression from someone once
close to the inaction there .. lots of good reports held back





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                         P-1947: MUFON -- Its Death

From: Greg Long <greglong@PACIFICHARBOR.COM>
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:53:40 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:23:09 -0400
Subject: P-1947: MUFON -- Its Death


I started subscribing to MUFON's 'Journal' (so-called) in 1975. It
was riddled with typos, so I told them to fix it. Over the years
the so-called JOURNAL (not really a journal) progressed and
improved somewhat.

With the Ed Walter's lie and Bruce Maccabbee joining the lie for
$20,000 from the sale of Walter's book in 1986 or 1987, MUFON
was pretty much dead in my mind.

I called Walt Andrus once about my work regarding the lights at
Yakima. I mentioned Persinger's theory to explain lights as
result of earthquake strain. Andrus ridiculed me and Persinger.
(I don't subscribe to Persinger's theory.) I was doing field
investigation for Andrus at the time. So I said, "Why work for a
man who ridicules me."

I ended up later speaking with Andrus
twice more. He told me in one conversation that he had been
driving home from seeing Hal Starr in Arizona and stopped at
Marfa, Texas, where, amazingly, he said, he pulled off into the
viewing area and saw a ball of light hovering near a radio
tower. With my interest in balls of light, I asked him for a
report and interview. He mumbled, "No, it's not important.."

So much for science.

Then, I spoke one final time about three years ago. He was into
Budd Hopkins' farce of the high-rise abductions ("data" that
comes to the researcher in plain brown wrappers). He was really
pumped. He said that Hopkins had just met some big U.N. cheese
in an airport but couldn't reveal his name--apparently a
witness. It was obvious to me that Andrus was out of it.

Here's a thought: 5,000 MUFON subscribers times $25 a year's
subscription equals $125,000. Throw in sale of 500 symposium
proceedings at $25 a piece,we get $12,500. Total: $137,500 a
year. Take out 30% taxes, we get $92,500. 'Course, MUFON is
educational/organizational; who knows what Walt's real profits
are. So, Walt pulls in nearly ONE HUNDRED THOU a year. MUFON's
been around for 30 years. Walt's made a million bucks probaby.
And the guy can't buy a fuggin computer for $2,000 bucks. Gimme
a fuggin break.

Walt wrote me a note or two over the years ON MY OWN LETTER, and
sent it back. Guy can't afford fuggin stationary.

I spoke to several MUFON people over the year. Walt's a
tightwad. Remember he runs the "operation" out of his house.

In addition, all data goes in, nothin' comes out.

MUFON is a UFO club, nothing more. It has no actual scientific
validity.

I stopped "working" for Walt years ago. He struck me as a kindly
old fool. He did a service for ufology by collecting reports and
sticking them in his garage. He's not a scientist. Just an old
guy who's on the ropes. His days, and his era, are numbered.

Thanks Walt for a couple of interesting cases you published. But
so long, podner, it's thu las' roundup...

My next missive will deal with the death of Roswell.



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              Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 06:57:32 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:19:27 -0400
Subject: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!

Re:

http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/aug/d26-001.shtml
http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/aug/d27-001.shtml

I have been reading this Edgar Fouche stuff. Alien Crapture more
like!

It is utter nonsense as I show below with just a few quick
examples. The first thing to say is that most of the correct
technical details - there are always a few in disinformation or
science fiction - could have been gleaned from any half-decent
textbook on military affairs or through the most casual perusal
of a book or article by Bill Sweetman.

My view is simply this. The whole thing has to make sense and
basic concepts must be presented correctly in order for the
account to be credible.

1 - The other semi-anonymous characters referred to by EF have
conveniently died or are not available for comment. Rule 1 of BS
is to ensure that sources cannot be checked.

OK - perhaps somebody might want to talk about something but
given the very definite compartmentation resulting from US
security and classification procedures there is NO WAY that any
of these people would be able to present so much of the picture
about any classified project.

2 - It is simply not credible under any circumstances for EF to
claim that he was given permission to come out with this
information. Anyone breaking security protocols and being
discovered faces loss of clearance, loss of job and most likely
- imprisonment. Even if a problem arose with a particular worker
he/she may temporarily lose their clearance.

3 - From EFs account;

"It was an unmanned reconnaissance vehicle which took off from a
B-52 bomber" etc. etc.

I think he got this idea from the very public D-21 drone which
reached Mach 3 plus in the 1960s. No alien technology there I'm
afraid!

'Slide 53';

Story about SR-71 encountering a UFO.

No evidence at all to back this up. An SR-71 encountering such
problems - said to include serious pilot problems both in the
air and upon landing - would not have made it. Read some books
about operations and you'll see why.

["SR-71 revealed" by Graham (Motorbooks). A good starting
point...]

No technical details about SR-71 operation are mentioned and
that's because Fouche doesn't know any.

SR-71 pilots hitting the bottle; absolute crap. The pilots would
have been booted out of the Squadron immediately.

'Slide 55';

"A laboratory named DARC" sounds like sci-fi and totally
unnecessary. Again, the template appears to be DARPA - Advanced
Research Projects Agency. Again, what is 'super-secret'? Top
Secret ensures solid secrecy! There is no 'Above Top
Secret'......

"One operational TR3B is now stationed in Scotland, another in
Diego Garcia". Nonsense. Having spent a great deal of time
looking in RAF Macrahanish there is evidence to suggest previous
operations and maybe the very occasional landing of something
hush-hush - but nothing more. The facilities at DTEO West Freugh
are impressive and undoubtedly stuff has flown out of there but
no TR3B.

There is NO EVIDENCE of a TR3B and EF is obviously unaware that
TR means Tactical Reconnaissance. He also shows a complete lack
of understanding of the Tier drones designations.

Slides 57, 58, 59.

Something has been recorded off the US West Coast approaching
Groom Lake at Mach 4. The SR-71 was almost certainly not
responsible and is not 'still breaking world speed records'.

SR-75; a model kit aircraft from testors. More fiction.

'Hypersonic speeds start at approximately Mach 5'.

Well Mach 5.4 actually where the air stagnates in front of the
air vehicle but again a total lack of technical detail from a
supposed knowledgeable insider....

4 - Author's Note; "The MJ-12 documents presented in the book
were copyrighted also". Obviously fake documents (sorry Stanton)
copyrighted? I do wish we knew who they belonged to!

Mention of the alien autopsy and Corso. Well we all know what a
load of bull Corso came out with - lots of factual errors.
Autopsy film? In tatters thanks to UK researchers.

Slide 69; "TR3B Operational Version".

Reducing the mass of a nuclear generator by 89%? I don't think
so.

"With the vehicle mass reduced by 89% the craft can travel at
mach 9 vertically or horizontally. My sources say the
performance is limited only by the stresses that the human
pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along
with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by
89%."

Utter nonsense. Mass and g forces have no relationship to each
other. Regardless of so-called 'mass' the pilot would suffer the
g turns. As to travelling vertically 'at mach 9' with a pilot.
Forget about it!

At mach 9 and travelling in a straight line g forces would be no
problem as such. Only when performing turns or evasive maneuvers
- fairly impossible at Mach 9 but no matter - would g forces
operate.

"The crew of the TR3B should be able to comfortably take up to
40Gs".

Are we really expected to take this seriously? Read any basic
aviation text; +/- 9g maybe, even 10g. get to between 12-18 g
and you're talking UAVs.......

The reason that classified projects have concentrated upon
active camouflage is precisely because a plane at high speeds
might not be able to out-maneuver the new range of
near/hypersonic AA missiles - obviously g turns rule out evasive
action at such high speeds.....

If you see what I mean.

Slide 73;

"In the upper atmosphere with hydrogen propulsion and in orbit
with hydrogen/oxygen propulsion".

Wrong. Hydrogen won't burn by itself up there - No Sir!

Slide 74;

He uses a computer graphic of the supposed TR3B despite claiming
to have access to the real thing??

Slide 75;

!THE CLINCHER!

"From the evolution of exotic materials, advanced avionics and
newer propulsion engines the stealth aircraft were born".

This proves the guy is talking BS. Stealth has NOTHING TO DO
with avionics and engines.

Look at the F-117A. The low RCS was achieved through an
understanding of Ufimtsev's mathematics relating to the
reduction of an aircraft's radar cross section. The ONLY thing
of concern was to build a low RCS aircraft in order to
(initially) avoid Soviet SA-6 missile batteries and then to act
perhaps as a 'silver bullet'.

Hence the 'Hopeless Diamond'. Faceting is not mentioned re;
stealth and neither is any other technical detail - which
suggest that he doesn't know any. I'm no expert but I know more
than he does!

In terms of both the F-117A and B-2 the engines and avionics are
not the big issue. The F-117A now has a new avionics suite but
this has nothing' to do with stealth.

Stealth is not a new idea and many aviation writers note the
very strong possibility that the Horten Brothers flying wing
aircraft (late 1930s and early 1940s to 1945) with their
composite materials would have had a very low RCS. The testing
of captured aircraft such as this by the USAF and US Navy
through the later 1940s proved this.

In fact original ideas of low observability are as old as
aircraft...

EVEN by reading a basic book on stealth Fouche should have known
this. He is obviously making most of it up as he goes along.
Sorry - you've been rumbled. I hope the advanced was a big one!

5 - No information on the US Navy even though they have been
involved in more black aircraft programmes than the USAF and CIA
put together. Last time I looked US Navy classified R+D amounted
to some $8 billion - more than the USAF. I'll check on that but
the point is that I have an official intel' doc (Sign) admitting
that the US Navy had an experimental a/c mistakenly reported as
a UFO. It used jet engines.

The Navy had operational saucers too and more information on
this is due to emerge in print very soon!

Well folks this is just a brief comment upon second reading of
the talk supposedly given by Fouche at the Laughlin UFO
Conference just recently. I could call Fouche a liar but I think
he's just on the bandwagon.....the real classified Projects
people must really love him......

I challenge him and any of his supporters to debate these issues
either live in front of an audience or on a talk radio show.

Know what? They'll lose.

Tim Matthews - standing up for common sense and factual
analysis!

FIND OUT ABOUT THE BOOK THEY FAILED TO BAN! "UFO REVELATION -
THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY EXPOSED!" BY TIM MATTHEWS OUT VERY EARLY
1999. IT'S GONNA KICK ASS!








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                       Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Michel M. Deschamps <739411@ican.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:45:34 -0400
Subject: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint


I'm about to request that I be removed from the UFO UpDates List
because of all the bull that I see here. But before I do, I
thought I'd write a little bit about myself and tell as many
people as possible what I am all about. Perhaps this will
explain why a person like myself has had enough with the way
things are being done or handled, especially when it comes to
researching UFOs and educating the public about them.

My name is Michel M. Deschamps, I'm 34-years-old, and I am
MUFON's Provincial Section Director for Sudbury, Ontario,
Canada. I have personally witnessed 13 separate UFO sightings
since July 1974, which puts me in a unique position as a UFO
researcher because having seen things has allowed me to view
both sides of the coin. I don't think there are that many
researchers who have had the opportunity to view as many UFOs as
I (or other people I personally know) have. If only all UFO
researchers had the chance to view what I saw, it wouldn't be
long before all the doubts and speculation would disappear. When
it comes to UFO reality, I am a _'Knower'_, _not_ a 'Believer'.


The facts about UFOs/Flying Saucers

Here is what I know to be the facts about UFOs. To date, 5000
landings have taken place throughout the world. Most of these
sites have revealed highly unusual, if not impossible, physical
effects on both plant and animal life: circles of scorched
grass, indentations, radiation traces, landing gear marks,
strange residues, etc.(1)  Most of these cases occurred within
500 feet from the witness(es), and most of them included the
sighting of UFO occupants; in some instances, unusual footprints
have also been found and documented.(2)  Many cases of power
outages resulting from UFOs attraching themselves to the high
voltage lines and draining the electrical current. Along those
same lines (no pun intended), automobiles stalling when in close
proximity to a hovering/landed UFO.  Instances where UFOs have
chased (or been chased by) people driving their cars down the
highway, sometimes at speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour!

Two other aspects of physical effects or evidence of UFO
interaction, (about which most UFO rersearchers have remained
undecided), are the crop circle formations and animal
mutilations. There are too many of these cases that are
associated with the appearance of UFOs, that it is very hard for
me to understand why it's so hard for researchers in general, to
look at the facts, no matter how much it hurts to look at the
obvious.


Simple Deduction

It is simple common sense (and deduction) that if a UFO lands,
(and it happens to be someone else's vehicle from an
interplanetary origin), then you would immediately expect the
occupants inside to come out for a stroll, if not too make
repairs on their ship, (which has been witnessed in several
instances of Close Encounters of the Third Kind). And if the
beings are seen walking around, then it wouldn't be so hard to
accept that they might be interested in taking a few samples:
rock, soil, plant and animal (hence, mutilations). Putting
ourselves in their shoes, wouldn't we do the same? As a matter
of fact, we did!  We brought back rock samples from the Moon!
Had there been plants and animals there, we would have brought
some back, too.

After studying UFOs for twenty years, I have come to know and
recognize the best people in the field. I just wish there was a
better (and faster) way to reach and educate people about the
subject. I sometimes feel that we are at a standstill because in
some of the TV specials and documentaries that I've seen, it
seems to me that reference is being made to 20-year-old
knowledge, not even scratching the surface of data that has been
collected in the past 20 years. And to make matters worse, a
great majority of researchers have jumped on the abduction
bandwagon, as if those cases were the starting point of the
whole phenomena. I, on the other hand, am not that stupid. If
researchers think they can prove the reality of UFOs to the rest
of the world by using Abduction cases as their main staple,
they;ve got a second thing coming. Leave the Abduction cases to
the Abduction experts; that's what they're there for. The whole
point of UFO research is to educate people by showing physical
proof of Alien Visitations. The Abduction phenomena is the one
aspect related to UFOs that has revealed the least amount of
physical proof. I think they are a poor choice for getting the
message across.

There is a certain pattern that we, as UFO researchers, have to
follow. First, you prove that UFO (Extraterrestrial Spacecraft)
have landed on Earth. In my eyes, this has been done to a
certain extent. Then, you try to prove that UFO Occupants have
walked around on this planet ands seen taking samples; that has
also been shown to be the fact. This eventually leads to proving
the link between UFO occupants and animal mutilations. Finally,
we've reached the Abduction phenomena. If researchers can prove,
without a doubt, that the above has occurred and has been
documented (and it has), then it may not be so hard to prove
that Abductions have been (and are still) occurring. Simple
process of elimination. Of course, I may have left a lot more
out, but you catch my drift (I hope).

If we don't learn to do this in a reasonable fashion, then no
one else (non-witnesses and skeptics alike) will ever "believe"
us (God, I hate that word!). And the secrecy and deception will
unfortunately continue for another fifty years or more.

**************

(1) In a landing case that took place outside of Galt, Ontario,
Canada in July 1957, "the topsoil dug up from the landing area
glowed in the dark. Grain samples from the burned patch were
healthier and sturdier than the samples taken from elsewhere in
the field. Ants, where the saucer had touched down, were larger
and stronger-looking than their counterparts in untouched areas.
And a spider which had accidently found its way into a jar
containing soil from the Galt UFO landing site, had grown to
about 10 times the normal size for this particular species."
(Saga's UFO Report. Winter 1974. Vol. 2., No. 2. p. 68)

(2) In January 1977, a witness saw a "round, cylindrical object
land on top of building across the street. Two "males", 6 feet 2
inches tall, with pale complexions, and wearing what appeared to
be bathing caps on their heads, got up, went to the edge of the
building, looked down, then returned to the object and took off.
The next day, the witness' son, along with a neighbour, went to
check out the roof and found, imbedded in the ice, a very large
circle and two sets of footprints!  (See book, "UFO CANADA" by
Yurko Bondarchuk [Methuen Publications, 1979] and microfilm reel
RG 77 from the National Research Council of Canada Public
Archives).

If you wish to communicate your feelings about this; if you're
of the same opinion, or wish to correct me (as I said, I may
have left certain things out), then here's my e-mail address:
739411@ican.net.






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             Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp

From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:37:20 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:05:50 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp


>From: Susan Baldwin <sblee@stc.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:20:48 -0400
>
>
>>From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:17:14 +0200
>>Subject: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp
>
>>In fact, that fluorescent, flying saucer-shaped object, which
>>has hundreds of Sydneysiders reaching for the telephone every
>>time it floats across the night skies, is an airship.
>
>>A big blimp which, far from carrying extraterrestrials, is
>>probably taking VIP visitors on a joy ride round the harbour or
>>positioning camera operators above major sporting events.
>
>I saw something a couple of years ago at night that was
>extremely unusual and so far unexplained....could have been
> a blimp. Unfortunately I have never seen a picture of what a
>lit up blimp looks like at night to compare it.  Anyone got any
>idea of where some comparison pictures might be found? It
>might be nice to have a place that one can go to and see
>what you COULD have seen, before jumping to extra-terrestrial
>conclusions.

>Susan

I have been around Blimps of all sorts over the years,
being involved with airshows and other events The Good year Blimp(s) has a
set of billbord lights on its underside that changes from second to second,
others are lit internally, or set up like the Goodyear only somwhat higher
on the side of the ship.They can be very wierd looking at a distance,
However there is  one thing they cannot do: move quickly. They barely move
faster than  50 or 60 k.p.h. in cruise, usually less.
Goodyear Blimps are indigenous to the U.S.A. Airship Industies and others
are mainly located in Britain, I'll be surprized if there isn't one in
Austraila working ,you might try "Goodyear Blimp" on the web and see what





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                 The US Air Force, Anti-Gravitation And UFOs

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 04:45:04 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:59:03 -0400
Subject: The US Air Force, Anti-Gravitation And UFOs

Source: alt.alien.research

The issue of Flying Saucer Review just out contains a
fascinating article by Dr. Pierre Gu=E9rin, one of France's
most distinguished astronomers, who for many years was
actively engaged at the Pic du Midi Observatory in the
Pyrenees and at the famous Institut d'Astrophysique de
Paris.

The article is entitled "The U.S. Air Force,
Anti-Gravitation & UFO's" and available in its entirety
at

http://www.corpex.com/users/archmage/fsr/fsrart33.htm

A short overview of FSR's new issue can be found below.

Stig

*******

Newsgroups: alt.alien.research
Subject: Latest news from Flying Saucer Review
From: Paul Whitehead <western-pr@western-pr.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:59:23 +0100

The latest issue of Flying Saucer Review is now out. This
issue includes an article by Dr. Pierre Gu=E9rin on: the US
Air Force - Anti-Gravitation and  UFOs. There are reports
about strange creatures/alien entities in Puerto Rico; an
article about Professor X, by Desmond Leslie; the
apparent discovery of a 'buried UFO' in Estonia; the
story of Monsieur & Madame C and their astonishing
experience in France; a report from Russia about a landed
saucer; and a profile of Professor Archie Roy, the
British astronomer who is involved in the SETI (Search
for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) programme. Prof. Roy
has been appointed a Special Consultant to Flying Saucer
Review. He once told FSR that it is likely that alien
probes are in our solar system.

Flying Saucer Review (FSR) has been published in the UK
continuously since 1955. There are four issues a year.
FSR readers include Prince Philip and, for 20 years,
Prince Charles.

FSR is now available by on-line purchase by credit/debit
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of you using dollars and other currencies, just complete
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There are no hidden charges - it's just like buying with
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queries, just email the address on the FSR web site (see
below) or post a message on this newsgroup.

With its wealth of back copies - many of which are still
available - FSR forms what is probably the most
comprehensive library of UFO material in the world.

Go to:

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                     Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union

From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:09:32 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:00:01 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union

>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 04:51:56 +0000
>From: Philip Mantle <el51@dial.pipex.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: UFOs In The Former Soviet Union

>Dear Colleague,

>I would once again like to ask for your assistance. I am still
>attempting to research the UFO phenomenon in the former Soviet
>Union with a view (more of a hope) to eventually publish this
>research. I am therefore looking for any and all types of UFO
>data but especially information on
>the following:

>UFO Photographs

<snip>

Philip,

It sounds as if you have resolved your personal problems to permit you the
time to chase a few more aliens! I am delighted to hear that!

All the best!

James Bond Johnson





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                        A Flash, A Cloud & An Imprint

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:20:17 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:25:05 -0400
Subject: A Flash, A Cloud & An Imprint


Source: The Sri Lankan Sunday Times
Date: Aug 30 1998
Header:Archbishop views the apparition


In a significant step towards making an official proclamation on
a mysterious apparition at a Catholic church in Rawatawatta,
the Archbishop of Colombo yesterday visited the church to see
the vision and join hundreds of devotees in prayer.

Fr. Revel, Parish Priest of the Queen of Angels church in the
suburb of Moratuwa, said the Archbishop Rt. Rev. Dr. Nicholas
Marcus Fernando would make an official statement soon regarding
the apparition on the wall behind the altar of the church.

The heavenly drama began two weeks ago when the church was
celebrating the Feast of Corpus Christi (Body and Blood of
Christ). It was also the day after the Feast of the Assumption
of the Blessed Virgin. Fr. Revel was depositing the blessed
sacrament in the monstrance on the altar for exposition soon
after holy mass, when many devotees saw a flash of light from
the Blessed sacrament along with what appeared to be a cloud.
Eyewitness Kithsiri de Silva said entire families- fathers,
mothers and Children had seen the miraculous flash of light.

The flash left a six- foot imprint on the wall behind and tens
of thousands of people who have flocked to the church since then
say the apparition is that of the blessed Virgin Mary holding a
cross.

The Queen of Angel's church is keeping its doors open till ten
every night to accommodate the growing number of pilgrims and
Three Holy masses are celebrated everyday at 6.00 a.m., noon and
6.00 p.m

Fr. Revel told the "Sunday Times " it is now clear that the
vision is not of human origin. Theologians are studying it while
devotees who visit the church are being requested to pray for
God to reveal what he wants to show or say through the vision.

Generally, as in the hallowed shrines such as Lourdes or Fatima
the church watches for sometime and if the vision continues then
an official study is conducted by Theologians and experts before
a proclamation is made.

Whatever the outcome of the official study residents of
Rawatawatta say a little known church has come alive as a Holy
place and the centre of a divine revelation linked to the
situation in the country and the role of the Blessed Mother.

They said the positive developments so far were also
significant. People who seldom or never prayed were praying
devoutly now; those who seldom gathered for common prayer and
service at the church were
doing so now.

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                             Chat with Ed Fouche

From: Yvonne Hedenland <vonni_h@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:17:13 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:26:48 -0400
Subject: Chat with Ed Fouche


Join the UFO Forum on Sept. 1st at 6pm, PT for a chat with Ed
Fouche, Author of 'Alien Rapture'.

A former defense specialist, Fouche presents an insider's view
of Dreamland and numerous secret and classified military
projects. As can be seen by his alledged background in the DoD,
Alien Rapture is written as "science-faction".

Many of the episodes described in the novel are Ed's true life
adventures in disguise. MJ-12, Groom Lake and Black Triangular
Craft all take on a life of their own through the eyes of Fouche
who claims to have inside information regarding their existence.

Fouche has contributed his essay regarding Secret Government
Techology and it is well worth a read before our chat on
Tuesday.

The chat, essay and audio interview are available at:

http://forums.msn.com/UFO

The Briefing Room chat can be accessed by any IRC client. The
chat server name is publicchat.msn.com and the room or channel
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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 00:06:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:13:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:25:01 -0400
>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:48:14 -0500
>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:48 -0400
>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>>>Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:57:19 -0500
>>>>From: Alex Franz <alcione@mail.serve.com>
>>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: Comments on Maccabee's Analysis; Mexico City Disc

>>>>Some Dr. Maccabee information I found and would like to know if
>>>>somebody knows about this:

>>>>Source: http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research

>>>>From: Don.Allen@p3.f2112.n2430.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
>>>>Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
>>>>Subject: AIR #1 Report - 1/10
>>>>Date: 20 Aug 93 07:52:10 GMT>

>>>This material is typical net recycled garbage. Evidently Alex
>>>Franz didn't find the response in Don Allen's _next_ message on
>>>alt.paranet.ufowhich I reproduce here:.

>>I don't know how Bruce found out that I visited alt.paranet.ufo
>>which I am not familiar with. My server in Mexico can't provide
>>me with the newsgroups service. It is evident that Bruce didn't
>>read my post completely as I am citing the source regarding my
>>question to comply with the polite rules as the UFO community
>>members deserve when acting honestly. My intention is to
>>investigate and not to put to sleep the information that I need
>>for my personal knowledge and record. Exhumation has been used
>>to solve many closed cases. Or not?.

>You didn't visit alt.paranet.ufo. You visited the Windsor site.

Yes, that is the University of Windsor in Canada.

>As you are aware on the site there are many files that were
>dumped on in 1997.

I wasn't aware until now because you say so, I don't know were
they were dumped, if they were dumped how did I find them? Never
mind, I used a web-searcher.

>I contacted the guy who put them on and asked
>him if he would be willing to add the complete response to the
>AIR "report." I subsequently emailed it to him and it may be
>up by now.

This is better, now I know there was a response to the
'Associated Investigators Group'

It is now up, date aug-28-1998 at:

http://biophys.uwindsor.ca/ufo/cia.research-response

Site maintained by: Charles McGrew

>Thank you for your interesting comments on the Mexico City Video
>of Aug 6, 1997.

My pleasure,

>You are correct that this video stor began with
>a black mark against it: anonymous witness. Then things got
>worse (Maussan, the Elders, UPN )

Things will go worse, the law of cause and effect never fails.

--------------------------
From Joe Murgia <Ufojoe1@aol.com>at:
http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/jul/m04-031.shtml

Joe is right.

In March of this year in Gulf Breeze, Fl. at The Project
Awareness UFO Conference Jaime Maussan said that close to 100
witnesses were ready to come forward and testify to what they
saw on the day in question. Where are these people now?

---------------------------

Check on the next please, if you already did then I want your
important opinion because it hasn't been noted or exposed by any
investigators as far as I know.

---------------------------

From Brit & Lee Elders at:
http://www.genesis-3.com/mexico97/be01.htm

The Elders mentioned about Annie, perhaps the most important
witness that was harmed that day, she and the other witnesses
can't tell where did the UFO go after the camera show it
disappear behind the buildings, the people located below the UFO
or more specifically any other witness behind the camera field
of view but in the opposite side of the buildings, nobody
testifies clearly about the UFO disappearance. This is
important.

Only one UFO disappearance witness, a guard named 'Diaz' a very
common last name used by most of Mexico's population. Diaz was
on duty that day at the building complex that appears in the
video, he says the UFO speed up and disappeared east bound.Only
one witness? No other UFO disappearance witness?

Witnesses are subject to suborn, this is my personal opinion of
how things could have been manipulated. We saw the UFO
disappear, but, how is that the witnesses didn't?

My question is still here, where or how the UFO disappeared? A
star gate? Tele-transportation? Video editing mistake?
Investigators questioning lack? Who knows...

Witnesses location and perspective of the UFO sighting reference
was never mentioned.

Alex Franz
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                           MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #6

From: Mark Pilkington <m.pilkington@virgin.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:28:55 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:53:59 -0400
Subject:  MAGONIA ETH Bulletin #6


=======================================================
MAGONIA ETH Bulletin               Editor: JOHN HARNEY
No. 6     August 1998
=======================================================

EDITORIAL

In an article in the latest Fortean Times (No. 114, September
1998) Bruce Lanier Wright asserts that "the PSHers hold that all
UFO percipients are lying, mistaken or crazy and that the human
mind is a fascinating thing". He is wrong, of course. The UFO
percipients are not crazy; they usually report just what they
experience. The crazy people are those ufologists who put an ETH
spin on their stories, thus ensuring that they are unlikely to
be taken seriously by those best qualified to evaluate them

We are also told by Wright that "PSHers favour the squishy
language of the social sciences, and while some of the work is
beautifully written, other parts bear an eerie resemblance to
French film criticism". Not only that, but "Saucer debate is
Jesuitical".

However, here is the latest issue of our publication, of which
Wright says: "As polemic, the Bulletin is wonderful." I hope
that readers will not find it too squishy or Jesuitical, and I
am sure they will agree that it is not written in French.

________________________________________________________________

MULTIPLE WITNESSES AND UNEXPLAINED SIGHTINGS

Evidence wanted

When I started this publication I hoped that proponents of the
ETH would submit examples of unexplained UFO reports,
accompanied by convincing evidence that psychological and social
explanations were untenable. So far the response has been
disappointing. Believers in the ETH are plainly very reluctant
to have particular reports subjected to detailed scrutiny. The
obvious reason for this is that someone would inevitably point
to serious flaws in the evidence and testimony and provide a
convincing, non-ETH explanation. Not all are easily explained,
though, but ETHers often disagree over which reports should be
accepted as genuine. If they are not genuine, then they don't
need to be explained.

Migraine

In the previous issue I suggested that migraine auras should be
considered as a possible factor in the generation of some
close-encounter UFO reports. When this was posted on the
Internet it was immediately jumped on by Mark Cashman
(mcashman@.ix.netcom.com), who denounced it as unscientific as
if it purported to be a fully developed, rigorously argued
hypothesis, which it was plainly not. It was simply an essay
which drew attention to the apparent similarities between
migraine symptoms and descriptions of the experiences of
witnesses in some close-encounter reports. I was certainly not
trying to prove anything and I hoped it would attract the
attention of medically qualified readers who could tell us if
they thought that it was worth considering as a possible factor
in some cases.

Multiple witnesses

One of Cashman's objections to the migraine hypothesis is that
there are similar reports which cannot be explained in this way.
He writes: "Yet there are many UFO reports, identical to those
indicated to be explained by the migraine hypothesis, which have
multiple witnesses, physical trace effects, and even
photographs. In some cases there are headaches, in some not. Why
are these accounts not caused by migraine similar in nature to
those which presumably are?"

Multiple witnesses? If we had unexplained close-encounter cases
with multiple independent witnesses, then we could forget about
psychological or neurological explanations, and we would have to
take the ETH very seriously. But where are these convincing
cases? ETH proponents tend to get rather stroppy when pressed
for examples. Could this be because many so-called
multiple-witness cases are not what they seem? What usually
happens is that one witness claims that there were other
witnesses, but the other witnesses cannot be traced by
investigators.

In the following case, dated 8 November 1954, there seem to have
been enough witnesses to satisfy any sceptic:

In Monza (Italy) a man saw a light in a stadium and soon a crowd
of 150 people gathered, destroyed the barriers and rushed to get
a closer look. They saw a disc set on three legs, emitting a
blinding white light. Figures dressed in light colours and
wearing transparent helmets were standing close by. They seemed
to communicate with "guttural sounds". One of them had a dark
face and a sort of trunk, or hose, coming up to his face. The
craft flew away without noise. (1)

How strange it is that this case is not one of the great UFO
classics. 150 witnesses! What happened to them, I wonder.
Perhaps they were as unreal as the UFO and its occupants.

Aliens at the bus stop Brazil is the source of many
close-encounter reports. However, most of the multi-witness
cases involve members of the same family. But here is a
multi-witness case to convince the most ardent debunker. Or at
least that's what it looks like at first glance.

On the evening of 21 November 1968, a young woman was a
passenger on a bus travelling between Guarulhos and Vila Barros
(Sao Paulo). At 9.30 p.m. the bus halted at a rural stop near
Macedo. It was still quite light and the woman saw, at an
estimated distance of 40 metres from the bus, a shining metallic
object about the size of a car which was standing or hovering
close to the ground. She was telling this story to Willi Wirz,
managing director of the Brazil Herald (described as Brazil's
only English-language newspaper) when, by an amazing
coincidence, Nigel Rimes, Flying Saucer Review's Brazil
representative, just happened to walk in. The witness drew a
rough picture of the saucer as an object with flashing or
rotating lights around it, and a door with three steps leading
from it. Wirz and Rimes then showed her pictures of various
types of saucer (which they just happened to have handy) for
comparison and they were able to link it with an earlier
Brazilian report.

Standing in front of the UFO were three men about 2 metres tall
wearing skin-tight shining black clothes. One of them was
holding a tube-shaped gadget. Now we get to the interesting bit.
The strange entities were confronted by three policemen with a
crowd of about 20 people grouped behind them. After a time the
entity with the gadget sprayed the policemen and the other
people with a beam of silver-coloured light, which seemed to
paralyse them. A few of them fell over. The beings then walked
back into their saucer and it took off. This episode is
estimated to have lasted for about 15 minutes.

In their excitement at hearing this story, Wirz and Rimes
apparently forgot to ask the young woman what the bus driver and
the other passengers had made of this startling incident. They
also subsequently failed to trace any of the other alleged
witnesses. Rimes suggested that "the military authorities have
clamped down on other witnesses" but did not offer the slightest
evidence to support this claim. (2)

Levelland

Many ETHers tend to reject reports involving occupants,
particularly if, as in the above-mentioned cases, there is no
corroboration obtainable from other witnesses. However, Mark
Cashman has recently drawn attention to a very interesting
series of observations of what appears to be the same, or a
similar, phenomenon. This is the famous Levelland case, which
involved sightings of a bright object which allegedly caused
temporary failure of electrical systems on motor vehicles. (3)
Dr J Allen Hynek pointed out that these sightings began just one
hour after the launch of Sputnik II on 2 November 1957 and
states that the witnesses could not have heard the news so soon
after that event.

Captain Gregory, then head of Project Blue Book, explained the
sightings as ball lightning, based on information that there
were thunderstorms in the area at the time. Hynek at first
hastily concurred in this evaluation as he was too busy tracking
Sputnik II to pay any attention to the case. Later he discovered
that the weather at the time was reported as overcast and mist,
but no thunderstorms.   This would presumably rule out
astronomical explanations, such as bright stars, planets, or
meteors, as well as ball lightning. So far as ball lightning is
concerned, it has been pointed out that to introduce it as an
explanation for UFOs is simply to substitute one mysterious
phenomenon for another.

A number of similar reports were made to the local police
station on the night of 2/3 November and 15 phone calls relating
to the UFO were logged. All of these reports appear to have been
made independently of one another, at different times by
different witnesses in the Levelland area.

Holloman Air Force Base

In his summary of the Levelland reports, published on the
Internet, Mark Cashman writes: "The reporting of the
concentration was not followed by a drawn out series of similar
accounts over the following days, as would be expected if
psychosocial theories of UFO report generation were true."
Cashman gives his sources as a privately published pamphlet by
Loren Gross and Hynek's UFO Experience. However, other sources
give accounts of similar reports occurring later in November.
For example, Coral Lorenzen gives details of a few cases,
including one which brings us back to the problem of the crowd
of witnesses who cannot be traced by investigators. (4) The
witness, named as James Stokes, was driving between Orogrande
and Newman, New Mexico at about 1:10 p.m. on 4 November when the
radio in his car faded and the engine faltered and stopped.
Ahead of him he saw several cars pulled off the road with the
occupants standing on the highway and pointing towards the
north-east. Stokes looked up and saw an oval object coming
towards the highway. The object then turned to the north-west
after buzzing the highway, made another pass at the cars and
then disappeared to the north-west.

Stokes said that he felt heat as the object passed over and,
while being interviewed by Coral Lorenzen, he complained that
his wrists and his face were itchy. She noticed that his face
appeared sunburned. (She met him again the following day and
noted that the sunburn had disappeared.) Stokes worked at
Holloman Air Force Base as an electronics engineer. At first the
Air Force co-operated with demands by the media for interviews
and news conferences and said that he was a competent observer.
A few days later, according to Lorenzen, the Air Force was
attempting to discredit the sightings. Stokes's sighting was
included in a group of three labelled as "exaggerations or
misunderstanding of natural phenomena" and on 17 November a
story was put out listing the Stokes case as a hoax, "presumably
suggested by the Levelland reports". Needless to say, the other
witnesses to the Stokes sighting were never traced.


More about Holloman

The Stokes report bears a curious resemblance to another one
connected with Holloman Air Force Base which, if true, should be
one of the great unexplained classics, and constantly touted by
ETHers. Perhaps, though, it didn't really happen and is all a
pack of lies. Ralph and Judy Blum describe it as follows:

Shortly before eight o'clock on a fine New Mexico morning in
September 1956, at a point twelve miles west of Holloman Air
Force Base (White Sands Proving Grounds) a domed, disk-shaped
UFO landed not fifty yards from U.S. 70. Radios and ignition
systems of the nearest cars went dead. Morning commuter traffic
backed up as stunned witnesses - including two air force
colonels, two sergeants, and dozens of base employees - watched
the unusual craft for over ten minutes before it took of with "a
whirring sound". (5)

We are told that "all base employees were assembled in a hangar,
questioned, and sworn to absolute secrecy regarding the
incident". Then who was the blabbermouth? Who was the witness
who somehow managed to establish that two air force colonels and
two sergeants were among those in the traffic jam caused by the
grounded saucer? As you might have guessed, this story never got
into Blue Book files.

Interesting if true Another interesting-if-true case, extracted
from the Blue Book files by Hynek is dated a few weeks after
Levelland - 23 November 1957. A US Air Force Lieutenant, who had
just completed advanced survival training, was driving between
Tonopah, Nevada and Las Vegas when his car engine suddenly
stopped. He couldn't restart it and got out of his car to
investigate. He heard a high-pitched whining noise and and saw
four disc-shaped objects on the ground about 300-400 yards from
the highway. He walked to within 50 feet of the nearest object
and he described them as identical and about 50 feet in diameter
and glowing brightly. Each was equipped with the usual dome and
landing gear. The noise became louder as he approached and the
objects took off and flew away over a nearby hill. The sighting
took place in daylight, just before sunrise. Blue Book was not
very grateful for this report. A memo in the file on the case
reads:

The damage and embarrassment to the Air Force would be
incalculable if this officer allied himself with the host of
"flying saucer" writers, experts, and others who provide the Air
Force with countless charges and accusations. In this instance,
as matters now stand, the Air Force would have no effective
rebuttal, or evidence to disprove any unfounded charges.

The case was dismissed, after consultation with a psychologist,
as probable "road hypnosis". (6)

Car-stopping puzzle If it is accepted that cars really can have
their electrical systems rendered temporarily inoperative by
some unusual phenomenon, then we are faced with the challenge of
trying to explain how it is done. In the Condon Report, Roy
Craig wrote: "Reports of temporary stalling of automobile motors
by UFOs constitute one of the more puzzling aspects of UFO
reports. The automobiles are invariably reported to operate
normally after the UFO leaves the vicinity, and no permanent
damage to the car's ignition or lighting system is indicated."
Tests were carried out which showed that powerful magnetic
fields had little effect on car ignition systems. Phenomena
which could cause ionisation of the air in the vehicle were also
ruled out because the resulting short circuits would damage the
cars' electrical systems. (7)


Conclusions If we accept as genuine some of the cases involving
the sighting of mysterious luminous phenomena associated with
the temporary failure of car electrical systems, then we need to
seek an explanation. If we attribute such phenomena to the ETH
then we can just say that such effects are demonstrations of the
superior technology of the aliens and we do not need to bother
with the difficult task of looking for the true explanation. At
least, with incidents such as those at Levelland, we seem to
have something
that just cannot be dismissed as delusion or misperception.

References

1. Vallee, Jacques. "The Pattern Behind the UFO Landings",
Flying Saucer Review: The Humanoids, October/November 1966, 19

2. Rimes, Nigel. "Baleia Entities Seen Again?", Flying Saucer
Review, 15, 2, March/April 1969, 6-8

3. Hynek, J. Allen. The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry,
Abelard-Schuman, London, 1972, 123-128

4. Lorenzen, Coral. Flying Saucers: The Startling Evidence of
the Invasion from Outer Space, Signet Books, New York, 1966,
91-103

5. Blum, Ralph and Judy. Beyond Earth: Man's Contact With UFOs,
Corgi Books, London, 1978, 102

6. Hynek, J. Allen. The Hynek UFO Report, Sphere Books, London,
1978, 182-186

7. Craig, Roy. "Indirect Physical Evidence", in Gillmor, Daniel
S. Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects, Bantam
Books, New York,
1969, 100-101

________________________________________________________________


SPY BALLOONS

Files concerning a US Air Force project to send spy balloons
over Russia have recently been made available in the Public
Record Office. The balloons, equipped with cameras, were
launched from bases in Scotland, Germany and Turkey and the plan
was that the instruments would be recovered from the Pacific
after they had passed over the Soviet Union. Attempts were made
to keep the project secret, using the cover story that they were
meteorological research balloons. The project began in 1955 and
was abandoned in March 1956, because the percentage of
successful recoveries was too low. The balloons caused a spate
of UFO sightings in Scotland and Germany.

________________________________________________________________

MAGONIA ETH Bulletin: All correspondence, articles etc., should
be sent to the Editor:

John Harney,
27 Enid Wood House,
High Street, Bracknell,
Berkshire RG12 1LN
UK
=======================================================


Mark Pilkington
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http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk

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                     The Shape Of Mars Missions To Come

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:55:10 +0200
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:19:48 -0400
Subject: The Shape Of Mars Missions To Come


Source: MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/191369.asp

The page contains many interesting links.


Stig


*******

The shape of Mars missions to come=BF

NASA considers a rover for 2001, a sampling system for 2003


By Alan Boyle


MSNBC=BFAug. 29 =97=BFNASA's plans for its 21st-century exploration of
Mars have been up in the air for weeks, due to questions about
budget and mission priorities. But the plans are finally taking
shape: A clone of the Mars Pathfinder rover could fly aboard the
2001 probe, and the 2003 probe might even get a head start on
sending samples back to Earth from the Red Planet.


THE 2001 AND 2003 Surveyor missions have been in flux for most
of the summer - primarily because of concerns over whether a
next-generation rover known as the Athena would be ready in time
for the 2001 mission. The Athena is a bigger, more versatile
version of the Sojourner rover that made such a hit during the
Mars Pathfinder mission.

There were also concerns about whether the mission plans were
too ambitious for the funding levels set for Mars exploration.
The series of probes being prepared by NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory build to a climax in 2005: That's when NASA would
launch a mission aimed at gathering a sample of Martian soil and
rock and bring it back to Earth. Scientists would subject such a
sample to intensive tests, to glean information about Mars'
evolution and perhaps even determine if the planet ever
sustained life.

Two developments have resolved the main questions surrounding
the 2001 and 2003 missions: NASA delayed flying the first Athena
rover until 2003, and Congress approved millions of dollars of
extra money for Mars.

Wayne Lee, mission planner for the Mars exploration program at
JPL, said there was enough money to fly a carbon copy of
Pathfinder's Sojourner rover, nicknamed Marie Curie. He said
NASA was proceeding with the engineering analysis for including
Marie Curie on the 2001 probe, "but it has not been officially
determined that it's going ahead."

"In terms of congressional funding, we are getting everything
that we're expecting to get," he said. "The interesting issue
comes with Mars that there are just so many great things to take
part in that you can never hope to do everything that you want
to do."

A package of scientific instruments known as the Mars
Environmental Compatibility Assessment - which had been in limbo
- also will be aboard the 2001 lander after all, said Thomas
Pike, who is developing the instrument package at JPL. Pike said
his team was working at a frantic pace.

"The problem has been that there was a hiatus of a couple of
months because of the funding, but the launch isn't going to
wait a couple of months," he said.

MECA will test Martian soil for toxicity and other qualities
that might be harmful to humans. The instruments also could
detect the signature of life forms, although Pike and other
researchers say that would be an extremely long shot.

Other experiments on the 2001 mission will measure surface
radiation and test concepts for manufacturing fuel from Martian
ingredients.

DEBATE OVER 2003 MISSION

NASA spokesman Douglas Isbell said the general outlines of the
2003 mission should be clear by the end of September. That
mission could be more controversial than 2001 - not because it
will be the first application of the Athena rover, but because
it could take the first concrete step toward the crucial mission
in 2005 to return Martian samples to Earth.

Here's one of the scenarios under consideration, as described by
Isbell and Lee:

The 2003 spacecraft would include a solid-fuel ascent vehicle.
Martian samples retrieved by the Athena rover would be loaded
aboard the vehicle, then launched into orbit.

The 2005 mission would launch a lander, rover, orbiter and
another ascent vehicle toward Mars aboard a French Ariane 5
rocket. This mission would repeat the 2003 routine at a
different site meaning that there would be two ascent vehicles
circling Mars, ready to rendezvous with the orbiter. Mission
planners could choose the most promising sample, or perhaps even
both samples, and arrange a linkup with the orbiter.

Finally, the orbiter would rocket its way back toward Earth,
re-entering the atmosphere and touching down in a secure area in
2008.

The last part of that scenario is what has some people
concerned. Barry DiGregorio, author of the book "Mars: The
Living Planet," says data from the Viking spacecraft indicate
that Mars may harbor living organisms =97 and he argues that much
more testing should be done on Mars or in space before samples
are brought back to Earth itself.

"We may find that it could be a deadly situation," he said. It
would be safer to set up a quarantine laboratory on the
International Space Station or even on a space shuttle, he said.

On Friday he said he would organize an effort to oppose the Mars
sample return mission with the assistance of other researchers.

PLANETARY PROTECTION

Most experts agree that protecting Mars and Earth from
cross-contamination will require special measures. Last year, a
National Research Council study determined that there was a slim
chance that a Martian sample might contain living organisms. The
study said such samples should be physically and biologically
isolated and "treated as though potentially hazardous until
proven otherwise."

Experts representing NASA, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention and other groups are discussing what kinds of
precautions would be adequate.

"There's so much technology that has to be put into making
sample return work, if we don't start now we're not going to
make it," JPL's Lee said.

The planners say the planetary protection process would likely
require an environmental impact statement, international
consultation, public awareness efforts and detailed technical
planning.

"We still have a couple of years on that," Isbell said.

Among other developments in Martian exploration:

*Detection Limit, based in Laramie, Wyo., says it is developing
an experimental package for the Surveyor 2003 mission under an
$850,000 NASA contract. The Raman spectroscopy probe would be
designed to show how chemical elements are combined on Mars and
could even determine whether lifelike structures exist,
according to a Detection Limit news release.

Raman spectroscopy analyzes the scattering of light from the
molecules that make up a sample, yielding the "fingerprint" of
the molecules. According to Detection Limit President Christian
Schoen, the technique has been use to detect hemoglobin
molecules within a tyrannosaur fossil.

JPL's Wayne Lee cautioned that the Athena rover was currently
the only scientific package assured of a spot on the 2003
mission. Other experiments are yet to be selected. "Right now,
just because people are participating in studies doesn't mean
that they will be selected," Lee said.

*Mars Global Surveyor, an orbiter currently circling the Red
Planet, has been successful in an effort to take pictures of the
Martian moon Phobos and those new images are due for release
in the first half of September, Lee said.


Click on the links below for details about other developments in
space news. And send your comments to Space News Editor Alan
Boyle at alan.boyle@msnbc.com.







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                       Article on Frances Emma Barwood

From: Frances Emma Barwood <fbarwood@primenet.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:51:19 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:12:50 -0400
Subject: Article on Frances Emma Barwood

It is so seldom that there is a positive article (even a good
picture!) that I am passing it on to everyone. Click on their
web site to see actual article.

Frances

Frances Emma Barwood
Candidate for Arizona Secretary of State
Sept. 8 PRIMARY      Nov. 3 GENERAL
http://www.barwood.com
P.O. Box 86189,
Phoenix, AZ
85080-6189

602-780-7650
602-780-9125 fax

"People can lie, cheat, steal and murder in this world, and they
may get away with it, But we are all going to judgement and that
is all that matters."

                                  ----John Leissner Koch 1955

____________________________

Source: The Arizona Republic

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/0830state.shtml


Contest For No. 2 Is Heated
Not Much Unites Barwood And Bayless Besides Office
by Chris Moeser

Aug. 30, 1998

In a state that has bounced two governors from office in 10
years, the race for secretary of state - next in line to the top
- is worth following.

Toss in a candidate whose pet political pursuits include UFOs
and government cover-ups, and voters in this year's Republican
primaries have one of the more intriguing contests for an
otherwise unheralded office.

The differences between Frances Emma Barwood and Betsey Bayless
could not be more striking -- dogmatic firebrand vs. calculated
neutrality, grass-roots outsider versus political appointee, and
advocate vs. administrator.

Barwood, a former Phoenix councilwoman, wants to aggressively
root out undocumented immigrants, who she believes are
responsible for widespread voter fraud. She is bent on that
reform -- even if it means taking on a federal government agency
that says her proposal is illegal.

Bayless, appointed to the post last year and a one-time Maricopa
County supervisor, wants to fine-tune the agency with more
moderate reforms, on the heels of moves that included purging
felons from voter rolls.

Many had expected Barwood to use her campaign as a platform to
renew calls on the government to release more information on UFO
sightings, such as the "Phoenix Lights" incident of March 1997,
when hundreds of people reported seeing a V-shaped light
formation flying over the city.

She hasn't backed away from the UFO issue, but the former
Phoenix vice mayor is focusing on other, perhaps equally
controversial, issues.

Barwood wants to require voters to show identification and proof
of citizenship at the polls in the 2000 presidential election.
In addition, she proposes that anyone not voting in that
election be dropped from the rolls and required to show proof of
citizenship before re-registering to vote.

Even though the U.S. Justice Department has outlawed using
citizenship tests for registration, Barwood, 54, promises to
challenge the system.

"The law says you have to be a legal citizen of the United
States to vote. . . . The Justice Department is saying you can't
check for that," Barwood said. "In reality they're making us
break to the law by having people registered who may not be
legal citizens.

"We have got to get back to the way it used to be. If that means
invoking states' rights, because as the top election official of
the state, that is exactly what needs to be done."

Barwood also wants to hold electronic town halls, perhaps using
the Internet and closed-circuit television, to keep citizens
better informed on state issues.

Bayless, 54, who was appointed secretary of state by Gov. Jane
Hull when Hull succeeded ex-Gov. Fife Symington in 1997, scoffs
at the identification proposal, saying the Justice Department
would shut down elections in Arizona.

"The secretary of state is not really a policy office. It is a
managerial responsibility, and it is an administrative office,"
Bayless said.

"The secretary of state has no authority to make the policy. The
Legislature sets policy for elections. The Legislature would
have to make that move."

Bayless also has stepped up efforts to register groups that
traditionally don't vote. She mailed birthday cards to
18-year-olds containing registration information.

The proposals illustrate the clash in styles of the two
candidates.

Barwood isn't afraid to air her views. She frequently voted in
the minority on the Phoenix City Council and was an outspoken
critic of Mayor Skip Rimsza.

Her Web site includes links to various UFO sites and information
on government cover-ups, the federal siege at Waco and gun
owners' rights.

"I definitely have an agenda. I haven't been appointed. And I'm
not afraid to do what is absolutely necessary," Barwood said.

"I've never been shy. When people ask me where I stand on
whatever, they're going to get an answer."

She quickly reels off positions on some of the major ballot
questions this fall: Barwood opposes reauthorizing the lottery,
opposes open primaries, and supports efforts to make it more
difficult for the Legislature to amend citizen initiatives.

Bayless declines to comment on ballot measures, saying that
because her office prints ballot language, she wants to remain
neutral. She displays that cautiousness as she discusses other
issues.

Part of that comes from being a political insider. She was
appointed to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors before
winning two terms in elections with no opposition. Bayless also
has served as director of the Department of Administration,
acting director of the Department of Revenue, and assistant
director of the Arizona Board of Regents.

She also has turned out to be a fund-raising giant, raising
nearly $200,000 to Barwood's estimated $22,000.

Bayless points to that long record of public service as
qualifying her for the job.

"The duties of the secretary of state are pretty well defined,"
Bayless said. "I have an extensive background as a manager and
an administrator. I've been a public official, I've worked in
public policy."

The winner of the race faces House Minority Leader Art Hamilton,
who is unopposed in the Democratic primary.

  * * *

Chris Moeser can be reached at 444-8069 or at
chris.moeser@pni.com via e-mail. BACK TO ELECTION '98 MAIN

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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:51 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:50:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint


From: Michel M. Deschamps <739411@ican.net>
To: <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: General Comment to Everyone
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400

>My name is Michel M. Deschamps, I'm 34-years-old, and I am
>MUFON's Provincial Section Director for Sudbury, Ontario,
>Canada. I have personally witnessed 13 separate UFO sightings
>since July 1974, which puts me in a unique position as a UFO
>researcher because having seen things has allowed me to view
>both sides of the coin. I don't think there are that many
>researchers who have had the opportunity to view as many UFOs as
>I (or other people I personally know) have. If only all UFO
>researchers had the chance to view what I saw, it wouldn't be
>long before all the doubts and speculation would disappear. When
>it comes to UFO reality, I am a _'Knower'_, _not_ a 'Believer'.


ALWAYS be wary of any 'researcher' who is personally involved in
the phenomenon that he is investigating. This is FSG's Lesson
Two in detecting "Krycek Type" personalities in the UFO field:

"Watch out for this 'Schoolyard Mentality' of ufo investigation.
In other words, remain healthily skeptical of any investigator
who is 'not only is investigating the phenomenon, but is
involved in it, too. He's had sightings of his own, the more
sightings the better. 'My baseball card collection is bigger
than your baseball card collection.'"

Please refer to The Flying Saucer Gazette's article 'The UFO
Business' in the April 1998 Issue of FSG for more information on
this type of 'research' and the 'Krycek-Type Personality", which
can be found online at:

http://www.erols.com/sardonica/FSGSEVEN

-Scott Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica

Producer, "UFO Desk"
99.5 FM WBAI, NY






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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:38:28 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:03:09 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:40:10 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

><snip>

>Ok, I've watched this one for a few days, and thought I'd
>muscle in for a moment. The notion that satellites are creating
>crop circles is hardly new. The problem with it is that, similar
>to conventional explanations for well documented UFO cases, the
>theory does not account for all the aspects of the phenomenon,
>conveniently leaving out the "tough stuff". Remember, there have
>been a sufficient number of UFO sightings in close proximity to
>crop circle formations. That at least suggests a
>connection...unless one dismisses sightings out of hand, in
>which case one can't be helped.

How would you surmise that they would be any more likely to
project the images on the wheat than a sophisticated, solid
state, high tech, computerized, graphic oriented, microwave
generating, beam capable communications satellite could?

Just how would the UFO project or lay out the pattern? Would
they not have the same capabilities as those mentioned in the
preceeding paragraph?

I know that microwave energy will make grass lay down in a swirl
pattern. Try it for yourself. Take a clump of grass a foot
square and place it in your microwave oven. Experiment with the
time....see what happens.

So, I know that microwave causes plants to spiral....but how do
we get it to spiral in predetermined patterns?

I would suggest a graphics program which has the capability of
projecting holographic overlays, somehow which sections the
microwave energy into different compartments, each being
designed differently.

Hey, I can't prove this, but just having the UFO in close
proxomity is really no better than having a satellite in a
geosyncrinous <sp> orbit, projecting a thin beam of micorwave
energy through a holographic, graphics program onto the field
itself.

>Also (and I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this), even if
>a satellite were capable of causing the stem of a plant to bend
>over at the first node, without significant damage to the plant,
>there is no way IMHO that a lateral force can be generated to
>lay the stalks in the desired direction, individually, and
>without screwing up the next stalk in line for bending.

Well, I can only speculate, that if they have the technology to
creat such a program, they can divide the pixils into individual
plant stalks....thus they can direct each stalk individually or
collectively to react to the microwave energy.

As far as the bending goes, if they have the technology to
effect each stalk individually, then the microwave beam will
produce the heat necessary to cause the moleculear structure of
the plant to change. Remember, microwave heats from the inside
out, not the other way around...this seems to me to answer this
question Separation and selectivity...

>Bruce wasn't "attacking" Leanne's thoughts. He's just in a
>better position to know. _Optical_Physicist_, remember?

>Greg

I know Bruce's background qualifications, Greg. I have know of
his work for over ten years. I have had the pleasure of meeting
him on at least four different occassions. But, we must
remember, he meets thousands of UFO enthusists as he lectures
around the world and at the UFO Conventions. I have not done
anything "remarkable" in the UFO field that would cause Bruce to
remember me.

I have just plodded along over the past 15 years on the computer
helping anyway I could to exchange info which might benefit the
UFO community as a whole.

Greg, do you remember a FIDO/MUFON based BBS called
"SPACE_LINK?" That was my BBS. It is still up as a file based
outlet, but no longer functions as a "mail/message" board.

It is a shame that those old backroad general store/postoffices
had to pass into history, more or less. They were much more
personable than this modern Internet based mail exchange. People
were friends. They were almost like family. Here, it is so
clinical...cold, statistical...

People here seem to be interested in promoting egos more than
promoting cooperation from a grass roots point of view. And
regardless of what many have been writing lately, MUFON is not
and never has been a "grass roots," organization.

I know many of the members of MUFON, and have great respect for
them, but I have always chosen not to be a member of the
organization, even though I ran a BBS for them, to give their
members access to the organization and the information that was
being exchanged at the time.

I am a grass roots investigator. I am an Independent
Investigator. I can persue any case and carry my investigation
in any direction I choose, without having an organizational
structure tell me what to do or not do as a member. My
techniques can be orthodox or otherwise, as I so choose. I do
not have to comply with so called "accepted standards,
scientific or otherwise," to achieve my ends.

MUFON, even though they are a worldwide organization, and have
done much good in promoting the reality of UFOs in the public
media, have also done much to harm themselves and UFOlogy as a
whole. They have embraced cases which turned out later to be
generally accepted as hoaxes (I said generally accepted), which
caused them great embarrassment, and in some investigators eyes,
lowered their credibility.

I still encourage those who are still members of MUFON, to
remain so, and work to strengthen the resolve of the
organization, thus returning it to it's once exaulted status in
the field.

Remember, Greg... We are dealing with mostly subjective
material...one's ideas are virtually as good as the next persons
at this stage.

If we ever get factual, physical material, to analyze, then we open new
doors of exploration and investigation. But, as a community, we are
fragmented in our opinions and options at this point.

We hear stories of material evidence falling into the hands of
various investigators, who immediately clamp a lid of secrecy on
their so called find What is this all about? When we have
nothing to substantiate our beliefs and claims, we are open to
all suggestions and share equally. But, let us accquire a little
"knowledge" or "artifact" which we presume others do not have
access to, and all of a sudden, we become unreachable. We hord
our discovery...the EGO desiring to express it's importance,
little realizing the error of what we are doing.

We put oursleves in great danger, if indeed we do possess a
smoking gun in ufology. If the powers that be want the material
we possess, thinking it a threat to their plans, then they will
stop at nothing to retreive it. However, is we dispurse this
information among the filed, not only do we protect ourselves,
we guarantee a much better analysis of the material in question.
This is the purpose of UNIFICATION in UFOLOGY. Be it as Brothers
and Sisters, or as members of the MAJOR UFO ORGANIZATIONS, such
as MUFON, CUFON, CUFOS, etc....

My question to all is, do we really want an answer to this
phenomena? Do we want closure on one of the most profound
questions in the history of mankind on earth? OR, do we wish to
fulfill our own little selfish egotistical desires for fame and
fortune, and the expense of possibly achieving the ultimate goal
collectively.

Crop Circles? Abductions? Landing Traces? Can we each be experts in
these and other areas of this field, not needing others to help and
support us?

I know this is not the correct forum for what I am about to
state, but I think it is appropriate to support my thesis: In
the Bible, it says: "Who is man that thou art mindful of him?"

I think we should all ponder this question. We should each look
deep within ourselves and see just who we are that anyone should
be mindful of us. Then we can determine if we feel that we in
turn should hold one person any higher than anyone else.

Mike


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                           Re: Friedman Lectures?

From: Ron Decker <decker@wt.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:20:32 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:16:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Friedman Lectures?

>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:04:39 +1000
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Allan Clayton <aclayton@vision.net.au>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Friedman Lectures?

>>From: "Sharon Kardol" <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Friedman Lecture
>>Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:59:50 +0800

>>G'day,

>>Just curious if anyone knows if Mr Friedman
>>will be appearing in Perth, West Aust. at all
>>during his tour?

>>There's comfort in the classics.

>Well, if he is, don't bother wasting your time going... I ended
>up going to the one in Tassie and it was the biggest waste of
>time!

>The first half of the lecture was on statistics and defining
>what an unknown, possible known (and a couple others) is. Then
>we got on to what a UFO is then IFO and even then why he doesn't
>use UFO in his lectures! Je that was exciting..

>The other half was on Roswell and to my understanding wasn't
>very accurate or very well explained...

>He seemed more interested in his self praise and attempted humor
>(which wasn't very funny!) than anything else...

>Mind you, I did feel sorry for him when it came to question
>time... Some of the questions that where asked where absolutly
>stupid but then in the same respect, his answers where more or
>less right off the topic and some where not even answers to the
>questions....

>All in all, I was very disappointed with it and I hope his book
>is a lot better..

>Does anyone else who has been to his lectures feel the same way
>or is it just me?

>bye
>alf

Sorry to hear your experience with Mr. Friedman's lecture was
short of fantastic. Perhaps you were having an 'off' day or Mr.
Friedman was. Who can tell?

I will say that if Stanton Friedman ever comes to the Houston,
TX area I will be in the audience. I have not had the
opportunity to attend one of his lectures but will certainly
make the effort to do so when/if the occasion arises.

I almost passed up a chance to attend a lecture by Dr. J. Allan
Hynek. He was presenting a program at Lamar University in
Beaumont, TX umpteen years ago and I almost didn't go. I'm glad
I did. It was one of the most informative experiences I've had.

I will say that there were no laser shows, smoke bombs and there
were no startling revelations, but Dr. Hynek gave a very cogent
and lucid presentation concerning the UFO phenomenon. He
explained how he had 'come around,' showed some slides and took
questions at the end. Very informative and entertaining after a
fashion. And I'm sure some people thought it was dull.

I would not pass up the chance to hear any of the UFO
'luminaries' given half a chance. And Mr. Friedman is certainly
a 'luminary' and a 'classic' to boot. From what I've heard of
Mr. Friedman on radio and television I can't imagine him
presenting a program that didn't inform.

My two cents.

Best regards,
Ron Decker.







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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:58:30 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:25:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:04:46 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:38:28 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>How would you surmise that they would be any more likely to
>>project the images on the wheat than a sophisticated, solid
>>state, high tech, computerized, graphic oriented, microwave
>>generating, beam capable communications satellite could?

>I don't surmise it at all. American satellites were incapable of
>bringing to the world's attention India's nuclear capabilities
>until after the weapons were detonated. Yet, somehow there are
>satellites over Europe that have the optical or energy-focusing
>resolution necessary to produce the intricate, frequently woven
>patterns hundreds of miles below? Even if such a system existed,
>it clearly works perfectly...so why keep testing it (in the same
>place), and risk discovery of the pattern's source?

You are assuming that the American Government is being totally
truthful with us. I on the other hand doubt that they are. It
has been said as far back as the 60's that American Spy
Satellites had the capability of reading a newspaper over the
shoulder of a person standing on a street corner. Yet, we are to
believe that a sophisticated "Spy Satellite" trained on a
"fixed" area of the earth's surface missed something as
significant as a "hydrogen bomb" test! I was of the opinion at
first that it was an "atomic bomb," but later heard on one of
the news outlets, of which I cannot remember, that it was in
fact a "hydrogen bomb." Did I hear correctly? IF not, please
correct me. There is a considerable difference between the two.

Another thing, you seem to assume that they are testing the
satellite...I on the other hand do not make such an assumption.
I suggest they are deliberately adding to the UFO lore by doing
this, when in fact it may have nothing to do wiht UFOs. As far
as risking discovery of the pattern's source, how is that going
to happen? You don't see a "beam" projecting into the fileds
from above. You don't see anything.

Again, this a purely subjective area of ufology.

>>Just how would the UFO project or lay out the pattern? Would
>>they not have the same capabilities as those mentioned in the
>>preceeding paragraph?
>
>Are you suggesting that we may have the same technology as ETs
>hundreds or thousands of years in advance of our own? I think
>not. I think there would be far greater and noble uses for such
>technology if we had it.

No...I am suggesting that ET's have nothing to to with this at
all. I am suggesting that it is purely a local phenomena, one
origionating, not in the depths of space, but from right here on
earth.

I am going to be honest with you Greg. I am not sure there are
ET's visiting this planet. I am convinced that at least 90 per
cent of ALL UFO sightings are a result of advanced technology
produced by someone on this planet, and that it has always been
such.

I know this is not a popular point of view, but I have not seen
any evidence to dispute this.

I know it is popular to blame everything on ET's. But I also
know that the Military powers in this country have been working
with the CIA and other groups developing Mind Altering Drugs and
other techniques including sonic devices which effect the brains
ability to tell the difference from what we call reality and
fantasy.

I also know this taps on the average UFO believers sacared
beliefs. I grew up believing in the reality of ET's, but in the
past ten years or so, have seen my opinion gradually swing away
from such a belief.

I am not saying there is not other life forms existing in the
Universe, I am saying that more and more, I am doubting that
they are coming here and producing all of the "sightings" and
"abductions," which have been credited to them.

I am open to the opinion that someone here has discovered a
technology which is responsible for everything we are seeing and
hearing.
Sorry!

>I know that microwave energy will make grass lay down in a swirl
>>pattern. Try it for yourself. Take a clump of grass a foot
>>square and place it in your microwave oven. Experiment with the
>>time....see what happens.

>Yes, that would go over hugely with the wife. I assume you mean
>standing grass, still firmly in it's soil. I can't even get my
>food to heat evenly 8 to 10 inches away from the microwave
>emitter, much less from 300 miles up. Anyway, I think the soil
>would have far more water content, and would therefore heat up
>long before the grass would be affected.

Ha, ha, ha...I understand what you are saying, but contrary to
your beliefs, the grass will go from a standing position to
a swirling one. That was demonstrated several years ago in our
discussions on this very subject.

What we could use here is interjection by someone who was active
at that time and remembers this.

>So how does one stop the microwaves from just blasting into the
>ground? How would they withhold their "bending power" until just
>above the ground? Why were no bad experiments found, wherein
>obvious failures in the system occured during initial testing
>stages? To my knowledge even the simplest legitimate circles
>were still perfect in dimention. Would microwaves be attenuated
>by cloud cover? Could the imaging system look through the clouds
>with sufficient accuracy to create the desired result? Crop
>circles can and do occur under overcast conditions.

Sure microwaves could produce the patterns through cloud cover.
They are using infrared devices to view the earth's surface
during cloudy weather and at night. These things you are
suggesting are not a problem. Where they get the energy to
produce these things is easy...most of them are solar powered
these days. Which gives them an endless access to the power
necessary to operate all of the satellites operating systems.


>Sorry, I just don't think it's satellites.

Hey, Greg...that is fine...I have no problem with your opinions.
I am simply exchange ideas with you, not attacking you. As I
have said, to this point it is purely subjective...

>As for your lamentations about MUFON; when I recently expressed
>a desire to join, a scientist told me "MUFON is a black hole
for >UFO reports". That wasn't very encouraging.

>Greg

Yes, MUFON has had that tag hung on it, and I cannot say that
there is not truth to it. Yet, where else can the average person
go to find such a library of information on this subject.

Well, perhaps my file library, may contain much of the
information found there, but, not nearly all of it. <g>

Take care Greg.

REgards, Mike





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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:04:46 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:24:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:38:28 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>How would you surmise that they would be any more likely to
>project the images on the wheat than a sophisticated, solid
>state, high tech, computerized, graphic oriented, microwave
>generating, beam capable communications satellite could?

I don't surmise it at all. American satellites were incapable of
bringing to the world's attention India's nuclear capabilities
until after the weapons were detonated. Yet, somehow there are
satellites over Europe that have the optical or energy-focusing
resolution necessary to produce the intricate, frequently woven
patterns hundreds of miles below? Even if such a system existed,
it clearly works perfectly...so why keep testing it (in the same
place), and risk discovery of the pattern's source?

>Just how would the UFO project or lay out the pattern? Would
>they not have the same capabilities as those mentioned in the
>preceeding paragraph?

Are you suggesting that we may have the same technology as ETs
hundreds or thousands of years in advance of our own? I think
not. I think there would be far greater and noble uses for such
technology if we had it.

>I know that microwave energy will make grass lay down in a swirl
>pattern. Try it for yourself. Take a clump of grass a foot
>square and place it in your microwave oven. Experiment with the
>time....see what happens.

Yes, that would go over hugely with the wife. I assume you mean
standing grass, still firmly in it's soil. I can't even get my
food to heat evenly 8 to 10 inches away from the microwave
emitter, much less from 300 miles up. Anyway, I think the soil
would have far more water content, and would therefore heat up
long before the grass would be affected.

So how does one stop the microwaves from just blasting into the
ground? How would they withhold their "bending power" until just
above the ground? Why were no bad experiments found, wherein
obvious failures in the system occured during initial testing
stages? To my knowledge even the simplest legitimate circles
were still perfect in dimention. Would microwaves be attenuated
by cloud cover? Could the imaging system look through the clouds
with sufficient accuracy to create the desired result? Crop
circles can and do occur under overcast conditions.

Sorry, I just don't think it's satellites.

As for your lamentations about MUFON; when I recently expressed
a desire to join, a scientist told me "MUFON is a black hole for
UFO reports". That wasn't very encouraging.

Greg





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               Scientists Trying To Spot Aliens' Laser Flashes

From: Stig Agermose <wanderer@post8.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:21:39 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:27:01 -0800
Subject: Scientists Trying To Spot Aliens' Laser Flashes


Source: The Times [of London]
Stig

*******

Monday August 31 1998

Features: Mind And Matter

Scientists have a new way of contacting
extraterrestrials, says Nicholas Booth

The light way to track an alien

If ET is trying to contact us, he won't be phoning - he will use
the powerful flashlights that are lasers to draw our attention.
Like lighthouses on the unexplored seas of space, these unique
flashes of laser light, which astronomers can detect with simple
equipment, will soon tell us whether any stars are harbouring
advanced civilizations.

That is the startling claim of the American inventor of the
laser, Charles Townes, who has long urged his colleagues to look
for such tell-tale signs of alien intelligence. All scientific
searches to date have involved listening for radio signals from
alien civilizations; now a team from the University of
California at Berkeley will use a simple, antiquated telescope
to try to spot the laser flashes.

At 83, Professor Townes, a Nobel prizewinner, is delighted to be
vindicated. "I proposed this idea in the Sixties," he says. "Now
a group of astronomers will start to make a search this autumn.
I am very pleased."

This attempt is the start of a new era of astronomy. The method
is, according to the astronomer in charge, "embarrassingly
simple". Embarrassing because it could have been undertaken at
any time in the past four decades, but Professor Townes's notion
of looking, rather than listening, was largely ignored.

"If there are aliens sending us messages by laser, we will see
them," says Dan Werthimer, the director of Berkeley's Search for
Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) programme.

Unlike the aliens in movies, who frequently speak English, the
real ones would probably not use Morse code. "They would send
very short, powerful pulses of laser light that would be
unmistakable. It doesn't require that much energy to do," Dr.
Werthimer says.

Later this autumn, he and his colleagues will use a 30in
telescope - modest by professional standards - at Mount
Leuschner, about 20 miles east of Berkeley, to look for laser
flashes. Light captured by the telescope will be split into two
and fall on to photo-multiplier tubes, which will amplify the
signal. If both see unusual flashes at specific wavelengths
-lasting perhaps a few billionths of a second, with a power
output greater than that of the stars they are looking at - they
will have hit the jackpot.

Seeing signals in the two separate halves of the beam means that
they could not be artifacts of the detection process.

Lasers are the only way that bursts of light could be
sufficiently concentrated. As with the powerful search beams of
a lighthouse, they could be directed to specific stars such as
our Sun. Lasers work by exciting gas atoms and forcing them to
give up their energy in the form of an intense flash of light.

"We could easily send a message into space to other
civilizations," Professor Townes says. His Berkeley colleagues
agree. According to Dr. Werthimer, you could attach a simple
laser to an optical telescope and direct it to nearby stars and
send messages. "You could do that with a laser that transmits
one megawatt," Dr. Werthimer says. "That's about the same power
as a television station."

But that is far into the future. For the moment, the Berkeley
team is starting its own modest search; improbably, this optical
work will cost just $20,000 (�11,400) a year, a sign of the
times for SETI research. Searching for aliens has been
criticized by some as a kind of wishful thinking, a subject
without a science. And American legislators certainly agree:
NASA's ambitious program of SETI research using radio telescopes
was canceled in 1993.

However, with private funding from supporters such as the
science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke and the film director
Steven Spielberg, SETI struggles on.

Others have said that finding evidence for alien civilization
will be impossible. A similar thing was said to Professor Townes
during the late 1940s after he proposed the forerunner of the
laser, the maser (which produces microwave radiation rather than
light). As a researcher at Bell Labs in New Jersey, he was a
world expert on microwave spectroscopy, the probing of gases
using radio waves. He realized that by using molecules to
amplify signals, he could generate a powerful source of
radiation. After he discussed the method in a scientific journal
50 years ago, "more than one Nobel laureate said it would never
work. It was viewed as a crazy, cute idea and there wasn't much
to it."

Early one spring morning in 1951, while sitting on a park bench
in Washington, Professor Townes had what he calls "divine
inspiration" of how to make a maser work and its possible
applications. "I recognized that it could be a sensitive
amplifier or atomic clock," he says.

Throughout the 1950s, the wavelengths used to probe gases were
made progressively shorter - so much so that he could get down
to optical wavelengths. Together with his brother-in-law, Arthur
Schawlow, he developed the laser. Accordingly, Townes won the
Nobel Prize in 1964 (along with two Russians who had
independently come across the same principle). Lasers can now be
found everywhere, from supermarkets to home CD players to
hospitals.

"It comes home to me when I hear of friends who have had their
sight restored," Professor Townes says. "To me, it was clear
that the most important uses would come from connecting up
optics and electronics."

Proof positive comes from the telescope now being used by Dr.
Werthimer's team (it is normally used to train Berkeley
undergraduates). In 1959 - the same year in which a workable
maser was developed - two radio astronomers declared that
detecting radio signals would be the only way to find aliens. As
a result, the scientific community tended to dismiss any other
wavelengths that could be used to send messages.

By the mid-1960s, Professor Townes had moved to Berkeley and was
working at the Space Science lab. By then, his idea was
bolstered by the discovery of naturally existing masers in
space. There are vast clouds of gas between the stars which can
act as masers. Their constituent molecules are naturally excited
to such an extent that they amplify microwaves across the vast
firmament of the heavens.

Any sufficiently advanced alien civilization would be well aware
of that and could emulate the process. Professor Townes points
out that these clouds have been emitting intense radiation in
all directions, but it was only recently that humanity has
acknowledged their existence.

"If we'd have found them earlier, then we could have developed
the laser sooner," Professor Townes says. "We didn't look. Other
civilizations might have taken their cue from natural masers in
space."

This autumn, the Berkeley group will systematically look at
2,500 nearby stars. The criterion is fairly simple: they will be
Sun-like stars, around which planets like ours - and
corresponding civilizations - could have evolved.

All involved agree that the search is a long shot, with truly
astronomical odds against it.

But the final word goes to Professor Townes, who insists that,
as with the invention of the laser, the discovery of life in
space is simply a matter of looking hard enough.

"We don't know what we will find, so we must keep looking."


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                       Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:44:22 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:27:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?


>From: Diane Lovett <rambld@erols.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Florida "landing" 1967-68
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:41:52 -0400

>I am looking for any info I can find on an apparent sighting by
>multiple witnesses, which including a "landing" that left some
>physical traces in the Cantonment, Florida area (near Pensacola,
>Gulf Breeze). This would have been around 1967 or 68 time frame,
>and I am told that at least one of the area papers printed a
>story on it.

Diane -

The following are the Florida cases I have from that time frame.

If this is in reference to the Lakeland FL case, I would be
interested in having an opportunity to gather information from
your source, since I have been unable to track down any details
beyond a reference to the original newspaper report.

Hope this helps.

638     John F. Reeves, 65, retired, was walking in the woods when
he observed an object 10 m in diameter, 2m thick, saucer-shaped
with an outer rim and a stairway. After watching it for 10 min,
he saw a robotlike being, about 1. 30m tall, wearing a silver
uniform, glass headgear. The being walked to the craft, then
returned with a box that emitted a flash when pointed at the
witness. The object subsequently took off with a whistling
sound.  Brooksville (Florida).

641     In the Everglades, 30 km east of Big Cypress, James Flynn,
45, who was hunting, saw a huge, lighted object 1 m above the
swamp surface. He watched it for 40 min, observing that it was
conical, twice as wide as it was high, and seemed built from
metal sections over one square m each. It showed four rows of
square windows, 70 cm wide. Estimated diameter: 25 m. A yellow
light shone through the windows, and the object made a sound of
a transformer and wind. Flynn got within 2 m of it and made a
gesture. A beam of light from the underside of the object struck
him between the eyes and he lost consciousness for 24 hours. He
had lost vision in the right eye, saw poorly with the left, went
to a doctor in Fort Myers, and spent five days in the hospital.
Fort Myers (Florida).

733     Two young men were walking through a wooded area when they
saw a bright object that they thought was a balloon covered with
fluorescent paint but it became so intensely bright that they
could not look directly at it. As they walked closer, it
exploded, leaving no trace.     (Florida).

748     A civilian man, 40, saw an object resting on the ground as
he was going to work, less than 2 km southeast of Hague. It was
an elongated craft, 2 m long, 70 cm high. When he tried to touch
it, the craft left at great speed toward the west. It had six
openings, 10 cm in diameter, and made a "turbine" noise so loud
that the witness had to put his hands over his ears. After going
away for a few meters, it vanished suddenly. Rain was falling
throughout the observation, which lasted four min.      Hague
(Florida).

833     An entire class at an elementary school observed an object
20 m above ground, 2 km away. It vanished suddenly as the
children and their teacher, 33-year-old Robert Apfel, were
watching it.    Crestview (Florida).

834     More than two hundred children and three teachers saw an
oval object, with a light at each end, come to ground level.
Several other objects also were seen, moving up and down with a
pendulum motion.        Crestview (Florida).

858     Barbara Fawcett, 18, and her sister saw a yellow "jagged"
object rise above a swamp and land on a hill. Air Force
investigators found a very large scorched area at the spot.
Jewish Creek (Florida).

2287    Mr. & Mrs. McMullen, Miss Sharon Burgess and two school
students saw a mysterious object heading towards the McMullen
home from a nearby hill.The disc-shaped UFO, approximately 13
feet in diameter and 8 feet high, hovered 7 feet above a palm
tree, 150 feet distant form the house.Two occupants dressed in
white tight outfits and with headgerars, were seen through its
transparent dome.Prior to the incident and during the twenty
minutes the 'saucer' was present Mr. & Mrs. McMullen noted audio
and visual interference on their TV--also they complained of a
smell, like ammonia, that burned their noses and eyes.Druing the
excitement, the McMullen's dog knocked a hole in the screen
porch in an effort to get away form the UFO. Lakeland police
were called, but the 'visitors' had left by the time the police
cruiser arrived.        Lakeland, Florida

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            Re: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!

From: Brian Cuthbertson <brianc@freeside.fc.net>
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:57:48 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:30:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out.        Challenge!


> From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
> To: <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 06:57:32 +0100

> Re:

> http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/aug/d26-001.shtml
> http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/aug/d27-001.shtml

> I have been reading this Edgar Fouche stuff. Alien Crapture more
> like!


Since Ed Fouche isn't on the Updates email list, and since I
just happened to know his email address, I forwarded him Tim
Matthews's posting critiquing his book Alien Rapture and his
talk at the Laughlin UFO Congress.

Ed responded within an hour or two answering Tim's comments.
I've appended his response below. I'm taking no sides in this; I
just figure critical reviews deserve a hearing from BOTH sides.

I've edited Ed's response only as as required to conform to the
line length requirementss for postings to Updates. For those of
you unfamiliar with the book Alien Rapture, see web site
http://fouchemedia.com

Here's the note Ed prepended on his response to me regarding
Tim's review:

-----

From: Ed Fouche <fouche@connecti.com>
To: "'Brian Cuthbertson'" <brianc@freeside.fc.net>
Subject: From Ed Fouche/ Please feel free to pass on
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:47:58 -0500

Dear Brian:

Thanks for the input. I expect no less from some people.
This is why the UFOlogy group never gets anywhere. Everyone
attacks everybody else. I have not said one negative thing
about other researchers or writers in this field. Everyone
is entitled to his or her opinion.

But some try to promote their own ideas and book by putting
down others. Sort of like an insecure bully in school don't
you think. The bottom line to his rebuttal is his bottom line:

>"FIND OUT ABOUT THE BOOK THEY FAILED TO BAN! "UFO REVELATION -
> THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY EXPOSED!" BY TIM MATTHEWS OUT VERY EARLY
> 1999. IT'S GONNA KICK ASS!"

I really don't care what he thinks. I wrote the truth as I
knew it, and indeed I did not do research for this book and had
only read Project Blue Book many years before. I did not want
to copy anyone else's opinion. The presentation I gave at
Laughlin, the UFO Congress, has very little to do with the book.
However, I will take two minutes and answer a couple of his points.
Please feel free to forward this to anyone who is interested,
including the Ass Kicking Tim.

Sincerely
Ed Fouche

-----

And here is Ed's response to Tim Matthews:


>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:19:27 -0400
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!

>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Alien Rupture - the truth breaks out. Challenge!
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 06:57:32 +0100


>I have been reading this Edgar Fouche stuff. Alien Crapture more
>like!

Of course he hasn't read the book, that would take too much
energy.

>It is utter nonsense as I show below with just a few quick
>examples. The first thing to say is that most of the correct
>technical details - there are always a few in disinformation or
>science fiction - could have been gleaned from any half-decent
>textbook on military affairs or through the most casual perusal
>of a book or article by Bill Sweetman.

Perhaps, but when have you had the details of the operations at
Groom, especially the goggles that visitors wear. Ask a few USAF
Test Pilots, and SR-71 pilots who flew into or out of Groom. Why
hasn't anyone before me mentioned the details that are in Alien
Rapture? Because not one of these so called insiders were
inside.


>My view is simply this. The whole thing has to make sense and
>basic concepts must be presented correctly in order for the
>account to be credible.

This was a simple presentation put together with my own personal
slides. No doctoral thesis was intended. Just an overview of
what I know.


>1 - The other semi-anonymous characters referred to by EF have
>conveniently died or are not available for comment. Rule 1 of BS
>is to ensure that sources cannot be checked.

These 'characters', are personal friends whom I have known 20 to
30 years. Three very important people have met them and can
verify their existence. I'm sorry two of my dear friends died
before you could try and ridicule them in order to promote your
KICK ASS book. This is a little petty, even for someone trying
to promote their KICK ASS book.


>OK - perhaps somebody might want to talk about something but
>given the very definite compartmentation resulting from US
>security and classification procedures there is NO WAY that any
>of these people would be able to present so much of the picture
>about any classified project.

That's what they said about Woodard and Bernstein. I claim no
special investigative powers. Just contacts within the DoD and
special programs who trust me enough to talk to me.


>2 - It is simply not credible under any circumstances for EF to
>claim that he was given permission to come out with this
>information. Anyone breaking security protocols and being
>discovered faces loss of clearance, loss of job and most likely
>- imprisonment. Even if a problem arose with a particular worker
>he/she may temporarily lose their clearance.

Bingo, the obvious! That is why the book had to be written as
fiction. No person writing about their secret experiences in the
government is writing NON FICTION. If they were, the hammer
would fall quickly.


>3 - From EFs account;
>"It was an unmanned reconnaissance vehicle which took off from a
>B-52 bomber" etc. etc.

For your information, there are B-52s at Groom which are
currently used to drop special programs aircraft. You don't have
to R&D and FOT&E a new host aircraft. The B-52 is perfectly
adequate for the job.


>I think he got this idea from the very public D-21 drone which
>reached Mach 3 plus in the 1960s. No alien technology there I'm afraid!
>'Slide 53';
>Story about SR-71 encountering a UFO. No evidence at all to back this up.
>An SR-71 encountering such problems - said to include serious pilot
>problems both in the air and upon landing - would not have made it.
>Never said serious problems upon landing. Read some books about
>operations and you'll see why. "SR-71 revealed" by Graham (Motorbooks).
>A good starting  point... No technical details about SR-71 operation
>are mentioned and that's because Fouche doesn't know any.

The SR-71 is old technology, what would you like to know about
it. I'm current, even of NASA using them for research. The
bringing them back, cutting the funds, etc. They are now
dismantling, and have been for a couple of months this program
in Lancaster CA. Why do you think the Air Force has fought this.
They don't need it. It was replaced.

>SR-71 pilots hitting the bottle; absolute crap. The pilots would
>have been booted out of the Squadron immediately.

You were obviously never in the military. Drinking is a way of
life; to cope, to self medicate. The US Military has the highest
functioning alcoholic rate except for Law Enforcement. Just
because you drink a lot at night, doesn't mean you can't
function during the day.


>'Slide 55';
>"A laboratory named DARC" sounds like sci-fi and totally
>unnecessary. Again, the template appears to be DARPA - Advanced
>Research Projects Agency. Again, what is 'super-secret'? Top
>Secret ensures solid secrecy! There is no 'Above Top
>Secret'......

NOPE. DARC does exist. Someday, soon I expect, everyone will
know this. Again, wrong. There are clearances above Top Secret.
Having had an SBI, EBI, and SPBI, I know. Not to mention SCIs.


>"One operational TR3B is now stationed in Scotland, another in
>Diego Garcia". Nonsense. Having spent a great deal of time
>looking in RAF Macrahanish there is evidence to suggest previous
>operations and maybe the very occasional landing of something
>hush-hush - but nothing more. The facilities at DTEO West Freugh
>are impressive and undoubtedly stuff has flown out of there but
>no TR3B.

And how would he know. Ever been through all the hangers,
every day. Conjecture on his part.

>There is NO EVIDENCE of a TR3B and EF is obviously unaware that
>TR means Tactical Reconnaissance. He also shows a complete lack
>of understanding of the Tier drones designations.

In the presentation and in Alien Rapture I use this term. You
missed it. Sorry, but you were in to much of a hurry to promote
your ASS KICK book. I also mention the TEIR program.

>Slides 57, 58, 59.
>Something has been recorded off the US West Coast approaching
>Groom Lake at Mach 4. The SR-71 was almost certainly not
>responsible and is not 'still breaking world speed records'.

The Ministry of Defense in England has admitted radar tracking
of vehicles from Mach 8 up to the limits of the radar's
capabilities. Read Nick Redfern's really kick ass book, he's a
pro and didn't have to attack anyone to get recognition for his
research.

>SR-75; a model kit aircraft from testors. More fiction.

Wouldn't be the first time a model came out that was true. Look
at the B-2 model.

>'Hypersonic speeds start at approximately Mach 5'.
>Well Mach 5.4 actually where the air stagnates in front of the
>air vehicle but again a total lack of technical detail from a
>supposed knowledgeable insider....

Yes it is. Mach 5.4, rounded off, is Mach 5. Besides, depending
on which text book you read, the figure goes from mach 5 to mach
5.6 It also depends on the vehicle's design.

>4 - Author's Note; "The MJ-12 documents presented in the book
>were copyrighted also". Obviously fake documents (sorry Stanton)
>copyrighted? I do wish we knew who they belonged to!

The documents were copyrighted in 1993 and 1994 with inserts, to
prove this information was out before the Autopsy film and
Corso's and other's claims.

>Mention of the alien autopsy and Corso. Well we all know what a
>load of bull Corso came out with - lots of factual errors.
>Autopsy film? In tatters thanks to UK researchers.

I agree, the film was a fake. But it was made by the government
in Lancaster Texas for that purpose. The best lie is the one
closest to the truth. Courtesy of PSY OPS.

>Slide 69; "TR3B Operational Version".
>>Reducing the mass of a nuclear generator by 89%? I don't think
>so.

Never said the mass of the nuclear generator was reduced alone.
Every thing within the Magnetic Field Disruptor accelerator is
reduced.

>"With the vehicle mass reduced by 89% the craft can travel at
>mach 9 vertically or horizontally. My sources say the
>performance is limited only by the stresses that the human
>pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along
>with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by
>89%."
>Utter nonsense. Mass and g forces have no relationship to each
>other. Regardless of so-called 'mass' the pilot would suffer the
>g turns. As to travelling vertically 'at mach 9' with a pilot.
>Forget about it!

Obviously. But if gravity is warped around the MFD accelerator
then the G forces would be reduced.

>At mach 9 and travelling in a straight line g forces would be no
>problem as such. Only when performing turns or evasive maneuvers
>- fairly impossible at Mach 9 but no matter - would g forces
>operate.
>"The crew of the TR3B should be able to comfortably take up to
>40Gs".

By reducing the G forces by 89 percent. Then the 40 G forces
would be reduced to approximately 4 Gs.


>Are we really expected to take this seriously? Read any basic
>aviation text; +/- 9g maybe, even 10g. get to between 12-18 g
>and you're talking UAVs.......

You sound like a nuclear physicist from the 50s debating
advanced programs of which you know nothing of. In 1935 how few
people really knew what the A Bomb would do if explodes. Even
Opinhiemer wasn't sure.

>The reason that classified projects have concentrated upon
>active camouflage is precisely because a plane at high speeds
>might not be able to out-maneuver the new range of
>near/hypersonic AA missiles - obviously g turns rule out evasive
>action at such high speeds.....

 ---and to reduce the reflected radar image. If you can't see
it, you can't shoot it. The ASPJ Program at ITT is an example.
If you see what I mean.

>Slide 73;
>"In the upper atmosphere with hydrogen propulsion and in orbit
>with hydrogen/oxygen propulsion".

Wrong. Hydrogen won't burn by itself up there - No Sir! Yes, but
when mixed with Oxygen it will.>

>Slide 74;
>He uses a computer graphic of the supposed TR3B despite claiming
>to have access to the real thing??

You bet!

>Slide 75;
>>!THE CLINCHER!

The thrilla in Manila again.

>"From the evolution of exotic materials, advanced avionics and
>newer propulsion engines the stealth aircraft were born".
>This proves the guy is talking BS. Stealth has NOTHING TO DO
>with avionics and engines.

You couldn't be further from the truth. Active stealth coating
Is electro chemical active and works with the Stealth ECM suite.
The electronics counter measures controls the active stealth
coating. It's not like a mood ring Matt.

>Look at the F-117A. The low RCS was achieved through an
>understanding of Ufimtsev's mathematics relating to the
>reduction of an aircraft's radar cross section. The ONLY thing
>of concern was to build a low RCS aircraft in order to
>(initially) avoid Soviet SA-6 missile batteries and then to act
>perhaps as a 'silver bullet'.

This was not the only concern. Trying to fly a non aerodynamic
vehicle was achieved with computers to control the awkward
flight dynamics.


>Hence the 'Hopeless Diamond'. Faceting is not mentioned re;
>stealth and neither is any other technical detail - which
>suggest that he doesn't know any. I'm no expert but I know more
>than he does!

 Perhaps. But, I never claimed to be a know it all.

>In terms of both the F-117A and B-2 the engines and avionics are
>not the big issue. The F-117A now has a new avionics suite but
>this has nothing' to do with stealth.

As I explained. WRONG again.

>Stealth is not a new idea and many aviation writers note the
>very strong possibility that the Horten Brothers flying wing
>aircraft (late 1930s and early 1940s to 1945) with their
>composite materials would have had a very low RCS. The testing
>of captured aircraft such as this by the USAF and US Navy
>through the later 1940s proved this.

The first time they used Chaff dispensers that was a form of
stealth. To block enemy radar tracking.

>In fact original ideas of low observability are as old as
>aircraft...

Yes, the color of an aircraft provides a modicum of camouflage


>EVEN by reading a basic book on stealth Fouche should have known
>this. He is obviously making most of it up as he goes along.
>Sorry - you've been rumbled. I hope the advanced was a big one!

Didn't have to make up any of this stuff. It's all real Tim

>5 - No information on the US Navy even though they have been
>involved in more black aircraft programmes than the USAF and CIA
>put together. Last time I looked US Navy classified R+D amounted
>to some $8 billion - more than the USAF. I'll check on that but
>the point is that I have an official intel' doc (Sign) admitting
>that the US Navy had an experimental a/c mistakenly reported as
>a UFO. It used jet engines.

WRONG AGAIN, the USAF has the biggest Black Budget.

>The Navy had operational saucers too and more information on
>this is due to emerge in print very soon!

Yes, from your KICK ASS book, I presume. The AVRO saucers were
funded by the NRO (Navy) in case you didn't know. Read Dr. Paul
Hill's book, Unconventional Flying Objects. He was a NASA UFO
investigator for 30 years. He only got his book out because his
daughter took the manuscript to a publisher after his death.

>Well folks this is just a brief comment upon second reading of
>the talk supposedly given by Fouche at the Laughlin UFO
>Conference just recently. I could call Fouche a liar but I think
>he's just on the bandwagon.....the real classified Projects
>people must really love him......

>I challenge him and any of his supporters to debate these issues
>either live in front of an audience or on a talk radio show.

I have, and I will continue to do so. This was not much of a
debate though.

>Know what? They'll lose.

To the Great KICK ASS debater. Have a good day.

>Tim Matthews - standing up for common sense and factual analysis!

Common sense says you read someone's book before taking shots.
It's called research.

>FIND OUT ABOUT THE BOOK THEY FAILED TO BAN! "UFO REVELATION -
* THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY EXPOSED!"

You can get arrested for exposing yourself, TIM.

* BY TIM MATTHEWS OUT VERY EARLY
>1999. IT'S GONNA KICK ASS!

In all sincerity. Tim has a right to his opinion. But, I
obviously disagree. When I have time I will respond in kind to
others. But I have a company to run. So I don't have time to
cruise the Internet and send out mass mailings to promote my
book like others. Please forgive the misspellings as I did not
take time to check them.

Ed Fouche









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                NASA's Protection Of Earth Against Alien Life

From: wanderer@post8.tele.dk
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:27:44 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:33:36 -0800
Subject: NASA's Protection Of Earth Against Alien Life


Source: Discovery Channel Online

http://www.discovery.com/area/unofficialspace/space971219/space.html

Go to the page for images!

Stig

*******

John D. Rummel has a mission: to protect the planet. His
job goes beyond the responsibilities we all share to
recycle, refrain from littering and repair our cars'
emissions systems. Rummel's charter comes from NASA,
which has pledged to uphold a United Nations' treaty
setting down commandments for space exploration.

As NASA's planetary protection officer, two rules concern
Rummel:

�Thou Shalt Not Allow Earth Life to Infect Thy Sister
Planets.
�Thou Shalt Not Allow Alien Life to Infect Earth.

He doesn't habitually dress in black, wear Ray-Bans or
sashay with a gun to get his job done. His is the
painstaking work of a scientist, and his attention is
focused on the microscopic.

It Came From Outer Space

Rummel returns to NASA's one-man, part-time Planetary
Protection Office after a four-year hiatus. In his
earlier tenure, Rummel, and then his successor, laid out
plans to scour a troop of robotic explorers before they
were dispatched to Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Some
of them didn't need much sterilization. Conditions on
Venus, for example, are so hellish -- with temperatures
of 900 degrees Fahrenheit and an atmosphere 100 times the
pressure of Earth's -- that any hitchhiking Earth
microbes would be vaporized long before they'd have a
chance to "extraterrestrialize."

Going to Mercury or Venus is a Category 1 of the
Planetary Protection Program protocols. All that means is
that the planet is so hostile you can't screw it up,
explains Rummel.

Mars still holds the possibility of harboring life or at
least the fossilized remains of ancient microorganisms.
So that bumps up the level of concern to a Category 3 for
a spacecraft programmed to orbit Mars, and a Category 4
for one descending to the planet's surface.

During his tenure, Rummel will be working to prepare for
the highest level of security, Category 5: the stuff from
outer space.

Hello, Earth

Over the next five years, NASA plans to launch a trio of
missions to bring back samples of our celestial
neighborhood.

The Genesis mission, targeted for launch in January 2001,
is designed to capture electrically charged particles and
other elements spewing from the sun. The research is
intended to help refine theories about how the sun and
its companion planets were formed.

The Stardust spacecraft will travel more than halfway to
Jupiter to visit comet Wild 2 (pronounced "vilt") in
December 2004 to gather dust samples from its tail.
Stardust also will preserve bits of the interstellar dust
collected during its five-year journey to the comet.

Finally, after decades of remote surveys of Mars,
researchers hope to have bits of Martian soil and rocks
in their laboratories around 2008 to probe for additional
signs of organic life.

The last time NASA had to worry about protecting the
planet from extraterrestrial microbes was during the
early days of the Apollo moon program. Says Rummel, "I
think it's great that we live in a country where we can
actually envision picking up pieces of another world and
bringing them back. But it you're going to do it, you
have to do it responsibly."

A task group of the National Research Council is
considering the question of what restrictions should be
placed on extraterrestrial material and how to classify
the returning samples. Lunar substances, for example, are
now unrestricted. "There's so much free exchange of
material between the Earth and the moon, that we now
consider the moon, from a planetary protection viewpoint,
to be just like Earth," says Rummel.

For the Mars rocks in particular, Rummel envisions a P-4
level of containment, which is what you'd need if you
wanted to study the most dangerous viruses on Earth. More
insidious than AIDS. Ghastly life forms, like the Ebola
virus.

"We're not expecting anything on Mars to be of that
nature," Rummel hastens to add. "It's unlikely that
anything on Mars would be harmful." The containment is
intended as much to protect the integrity of the
scientific samples as it is to stave off a
microbiological attack on Earth.

But still, warns Rummel, "We don't have a lot of evidence
about what's really out there."

Copyright � 1997 Discovery Communications, Inc.







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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:58:30 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:46:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?


>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:04:46 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:38:28 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>>How would you surmise that they would be any more likely to
>>project the images on the wheat than a sophisticated, solid
>>state, high tech, computerized, graphic oriented, microwave
>>generating, beam capable communications satellite could?

>I don't surmise it at all. American satellites were incapable of
>bringing to the world's attention India's nuclear capabilities
>until after the weapons were detonated. Yet, somehow there are
>satellites over Europe that have the optical or energy-focusing
>resolution necessary to produce the intricate, frequently woven
>patterns hundreds of miles below? Even if such a system existed,
>it clearly works perfectly...so why keep testing it (in the same
>place), and risk discovery of the pattern's source?

You are assuming that the American Government is being totally
truthful with us. I on the other hand doubt that they are. It
has been said as far back as the 60's that American Spy
Satellites had the capability of reading a newspaper over the
shoulder of a person standing on a street corner. Yet, we are to
believe that a sophisticated "Spy Satellite" trained on a
"fixed" area of the earth's surface missed something as
significant as a "hydrogen bomb" test! I was of the opinion at
first that it was an "atomic bomb," but later heard on one of
the news outlets, of which I cannot remember, that it was in
fact a "hydrogen bomb." Did I hear correctly? IF not, please
correct me. There is a considerable difference between the two.

Another thing, you seem to assume that they are testing the
satellite...I on the other hand do not make such an assumption.
I suggest they are deliberately adding to the UFO lore by doing
this, when in fact it may have nothing to do wiht UFOs. As far
as risking discovery of the pattern's source, how is that going
to happen? You don't see a "beam" projecting into the fileds
from above. You don't see anything.

Again, this a purely subjective area of ufology.

>>Just how would the UFO project or lay out the pattern? Would
>>they not have the same capabilities as those mentioned in the
>>preceeding paragraph?
>
>Are you suggesting that we may have the same technology as ETs
>hundreds or thousands of years in advance of our own? I think
>not. I think there would be far greater and noble uses for such
>technology if we had it.

No...I am suggesting that ET's have nothing to to with this at
all. I am suggesting that it is purely a local phenomena, one
origionating, not in the depths of space, but from right here on
earth.

I am going to be honest with you Greg. I am not sure there are
ET's visiting this planet. I am convinced that at least 90 per
cent of ALL UFO sightings are a result of advanced technology
produced by someone on this planet, and that it has always been
such.

I know this is not a popular point of view, but I have not seen
any evidence to dispute this.

I know it is popular to blame everything on ET's. But I also
know that the Military powers in this country have been working
with the CIA and other groups developing Mind Altering Drugs and
other techniques including sonic devices which effect the brains
ability to tell the difference from what we call reality and
fantasy.

I also know this taps on the average UFO believers sacared
beliefs. I grew up believing in the reality of ET's, but in the
past ten years or so, have seen my opinion gradually swing away
from such a belief.

I am not saying there is not other life forms existing in the
Universe, I am saying that more and more, I am doubting that
they are coming here and producing all of the "sightings" and
"abductions," which have been credited to them.

I am open to the opinion that someone here has discovered a
technology which is responsible for everything we are seeing and
hearing.
Sorry!

>I know that microwave energy will make grass lay down in a swirl
>>pattern. Try it for yourself. Take a clump of grass a foot
>>square and place it in your microwave oven. Experiment with the
>>time....see what happens.

>Yes, that would go over hugely with the wife. I assume you mean
>standing grass, still firmly in it's soil. I can't even get my
>food to heat evenly 8 to 10 inches away from the microwave
>emitter, much less from 300 miles up. Anyway, I think the soil
>would have far more water content, and would therefore heat up
>long before the grass would be affected.

Ha, ha, ha...I understand what you are saying, but contrary to
your beliefs, the grass will go from a standing position to
a swirling one. That was demonstrated several years ago in our
discussions on this very subject.

What we could use here is interjection by someone who was active
at that time and remembers this.

>So how does one stop the microwaves from just blasting into the
>ground? How would they withhold their "bending power" until just
>above the ground? Why were no bad experiments found, wherein
>obvious failures in the system occured during initial testing
>stages? To my knowledge even the simplest legitimate circles
>were still perfect in dimention. Would microwaves be attenuated
>by cloud cover? Could the imaging system look through the clouds
>with sufficient accuracy to create the desired result? Crop
>circles can and do occur under overcast conditions.

Sure microwaves could produce the patterns through cloud cover.
They are using infrared devices to view the earth's surface
during cloudy weather and at night. These things you are
suggesting are not a problem. Where they get the energy to
produce these things is easy...most of them are solar powered
these days. Which gives them an endless access to the power
necessary to operate all of the satellites operating systems.


>Sorry, I just don't think it's satellites.

Hey, Greg...that is fine...I have no problem with your opinions.
I am simply exchange ideas with you, not attacking you. As I
have said, to this point it is purely subjective...

>As for your lamentations about MUFON; when I recently expressed
>a desire to join, a scientist told me "MUFON is a black hole
for >UFO reports". That wasn't very encouraging.

>Greg

Yes, MUFON has had that tag hung on it, and I cannot say that
there is not truth to it. Yet, where else can the average person
go to find such a library of information on this subject.

Well, perhaps my file library, may contain much of the
information found there, but, not nearly all of it. <g>

Take care Greg.

REgards, Mike





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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:23:37 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:46:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:33:58 EDT
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint


>>From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: RE: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint
>>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:51 -0400

<snip>

>>ALWAYS be wary of any 'researcher' who is personally involved in
>>the phenomenon that he is investigating. This is FSG's Lesson
>>Two in detecting "Krycek Type" personalities in the UFO field:


>Uh....I'm not sure I support this kind of reasoning. Are you
>suggesting that the observations of a researcher "in the field"
>are worthless because he sees what others have seen? Do you
>recommend that ufologists no longer travel to hotspots to
>document their own sightings?

>If a police officer witnesses a murder... do you think his
>testimony would be discarded or retained? It makes him
>personally involved, but he has a job to do, and if he is a
>professional, he'll do it without letting personal feelings
>interfere.

I'm saying that when a person involved in a field of
investigative work makes claims of personal intimacy and
familiarity with the subject of his investigation, that care
should be taken in evaluating his investigative skills, motives
and beliefs. I'm certainly not saying that UFO investigators
should not pursue fieldwork (I've done much fieldwork, myself),
but I am saying that when someone starts to see things a little
bit too regularly, care and closer inspection are warranted.

I'm not going to judge Mr. Deschamps before hearing his full
story, but when I hear such self-aggrandizing statements to the
effect of "I don't think there are that many researchers who
have had the opportunity to view as many UFOs as I (or other
people I personally know) have...." it sets off certain alarms
in my mind.

If a police officer witnesses a murder, of course he will report
it. A dozen murders, and maybe he's a super-cop. A hundred, and
maybe someone better look into his background.

Not everybody who has seen more than one UFO in the field is a
nut- but some of them are. The more fantastic the claims, the
more careful we should be in evaluating them. This is common
sense.

-Scott C. Carr
Editor, The Flying Saucer Gazette
http://www.erols.com/sardonica

Producer, "UFO Desk"
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                       Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:44:22 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:46:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?


>From: Diane Lovett <rambld@erols.com>
>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Florida "landing" 1967-68
>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:41:52 -0400

>I am looking for any info I can find on an apparent sighting by
>multiple witnesses, which including a "landing" that left some
>physical traces in the Cantonment, Florida area (near Pensacola,
>Gulf Breeze). This would have been around 1967 or 68 time frame,
>and I am told that at least one of the area papers printed a
>story on it.

Diane -

The following are the Florida cases I have from that time frame.

If this is in reference to the Lakeland FL case, I would be
interested in having an opportunity to gather information from
your source, since I have been unable to track down any details
beyond a reference to the original newspaper report.

Hope this helps.

638     John F. Reeves, 65, retired, was walking in the woods when
he observed an object 10 m in diameter, 2m thick, saucer-shaped
with an outer rim and a stairway. After watching it for 10 min,
he saw a robotlike being, about 1. 30m tall, wearing a silver
uniform, glass headgear. The being walked to the craft, then
returned with a box that emitted a flash when pointed at the
witness. The object subsequently took off with a whistling
sound.  Brooksville (Florida).

641     In the Everglades, 30 km east of Big Cypress, James Flynn,
45, who was hunting, saw a huge, lighted object 1 m above the
swamp surface. He watched it for 40 min, observing that it was
conical, twice as wide as it was high, and seemed built from
metal sections over one square m each. It showed four rows of
square windows, 70 cm wide. Estimated diameter: 25 m. A yellow
light shone through the windows, and the object made a sound of
a transformer and wind. Flynn got within 2 m of it and made a
gesture. A beam of light from the underside of the object struck
him between the eyes and he lost consciousness for 24 hours. He
had lost vision in the right eye, saw poorly with the left, went
to a doctor in Fort Myers, and spent five days in the hospital.
Fort Myers (Florida).

733     Two young men were walking through a wooded area when they
saw a bright object that they thought was a balloon covered with
fluorescent paint but it became so intensely bright that they
could not look directly at it. As they walked closer, it
exploded, leaving no trace.     (Florida).

748     A civilian man, 40, saw an object resting on the ground as
he was going to work, less than 2 km southeast of Hague. It was
an elongated craft, 2 m long, 70 cm high. When he tried to touch
it, the craft left at great speed toward the west. It had six
openings, 10 cm in diameter, and made a "turbine" noise so loud
that the witness had to put his hands over his ears. After going
away for a few meters, it vanished suddenly. Rain was falling
throughout the observation, which lasted four min.      Hague
(Florida).

833     An entire class at an elementary school observed an object
20 m above ground, 2 km away. It vanished suddenly as the
children and their teacher, 33-year-old Robert Apfel, were
watching it.    Crestview (Florida).

834     More than two hundred children and three teachers saw an
oval object, with a light at each end, come to ground level.
Several other objects also were seen, moving up and down with a
pendulum motion.        Crestview (Florida).

858     Barbara Fawcett, 18, and her sister saw a yellow "jagged"
object rise above a swamp and land on a hill. Air Force
investigators found a very large scorched area at the spot.
Jewish Creek (Florida).

2287    Mr. & Mrs. McMullen, Miss Sharon Burgess and two school
students saw a mysterious object heading towards the McMullen
home from a nearby hill.The disc-shaped UFO, approximately 13
feet in diameter and 8 feet high, hovered 7 feet above a palm
tree, 150 feet distant form the house.Two occupants dressed in
white tight outfits and with headgerars, were seen through its
transparent dome.Prior to the incident and during the twenty
minutes the 'saucer' was present Mr. & Mrs. McMullen noted audio
and visual interference on their TV--also they complained of a
smell, like ammonia, that burned their noses and eyes.Druing the
excitement, the McMullen's dog knocked a hole in the screen
porch in an effort to get away form the UFO. Lakeland police
were called, but the 'visitors' had left by the time the police
cruiser arrived.        Lakeland, Florida

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                         Re: Re: Friedman Lectures?

From: Sharon Kardol <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:40:19 +0800
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:46:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Friedman Lectures?


Alf,

I decided to pass on the Friedman Lecture here in Perth, swayed
by the not too positive reviews and the price.

But this sort of thing should be happening here more often.

Perhaps a panel of Local and International experts and witnesses
debating important and current issues in Ufology. I'd like to see
that......

Shaz





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             Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp

From: Susan Baldwin <sblee@stc.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:17:40 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:20:15 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over Sydney Is A Blimp


>From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: UFO Frequently Reported Over
>Sydney Is A Blimp
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:37:20 -0700

>Susan

>others are lit internally, or set up like the Goodyear only
>somwhat higher on the side of the ship.They can be very wierd
>looking at a distance, However there is  one thing they cannot
>do: move quickly. They barely move faster than  50 or 60 k.p.h.
>in cruise, usually less. Goodyear Blimps are indigenous to the
>U.S.A. Airship Industies and others are mainly located in
>Britain, I'll be surprized if there isn't one in Austraila
>working ,you might try "Goodyear Blimp" on the web and see what
>you get .

This was a very slow moving, glowing (lit internally?)
thing..thought it was the moon at first until I realized it was
moving horizonally. It was right at the tops of the trees to my
viewing but possibly not that low wherever it was??? No flashing
lights (that I could see), no noise.

Thanks, I will go there and see if they have something. I have
been unsuccessful so far in finding pictures. Its frustrating
not to be able to eliminate possibilities.

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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:14:19 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:55:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint


>From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: RE: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint
>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:51 -0400

>From: Michel M. Deschamps <739411@ican.net>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: General Comment to Everyone
>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:19:55 -0400

>ALWAYS be wary of any 'researcher' who is personally involved in
>the phenomenon that he is investigating. This is FSG's Lesson
>Two in detecting "Krycek Type" personalities in the UFO field:

Guess you're missing the point.

The essence of Michel Deschamps' idea is in the following:

>>Perhaps this will
>>explain why a person like myself has had enough with the way
>>things are being done or handled, especially when it comes to
>>researching UFOs and educating the public about them.

<snip>

>>After studying UFOs for twenty years, I have come to know and
>>recognize the best people in the field. I just wish there was a
>>better (and faster) way to reach and educate people about the
>>subject. I sometimes feel that we are at a standstill because in
>>some of the TV specials and documentaries that I've seen, it
>>seems to me that reference is being made to 20-year-old
>>knowledge, not even scratching the surface of data that has been
>>collected in the past 20 years.

<snip>

>>If we don't learn to do this in a reasonable fashion, then no
>>one else (non-witnesses and skeptics alike) will ever "believe"
>>us (God, I hate that word!). And the secrecy and deception will
>>unfortunately continue for another fifty years or more.

If I understand my English correclty, this gentleman is pissed
off - and rightly so I believe - that ufology is still in
phase 0.

>"Watch out for this 'Schoolyard Mentality' of ufo investigation.

I think the words of Deschamps deserve more respect.

Sincerly,

Serge Salvaille







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                       Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?

From: Diane Lovett <rambld@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:13:59 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:00:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?


>Subject: UFO UpDate: Florida 'Landing' 1967-68?
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:44:22 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>>From: Diane Lovett <rambld@erols.com>
>>To: UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Florida "landing" 1967-68
>>Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:41:52 -0400

>>I am looking for any info I can find on an apparent sighting by
>>multiple witnesses, which including a "landing" that left some
>>physical traces in the Cantonment, Florida area (near Pensacola,
>>Gulf Breeze). This would have been around 1967 or 68 time frame,
>>and I am told that at least one of the area papers printed a
>>story on it.

>Diane -

>The following are the Florida cases I have from that time frame.

>If this is in reference to the Lakeland FL case, I would be
>interested in having an opportunity to gather information from
>your source, since I have been unable to track down any details
>beyond a reference to the original newspaper report.

>Hope this helps.


Thanks very much for the info Mark, but none of these seem to
fit with the incident I'm looking at. Interesting about the
Lakeland case though. I lived there for awhile when I was a kid,
around 64 maybe, and have a foggy memory of a ufo sighting from
there. My brother, myself and some other kids were outside in
our driveway at night for some reason, and watching a ufo. The
most memorable thing about the incident was that it started
shooting at us (at least taht is what it seemed like to us!) and
we all ran off terrified. I just remember these beams of light
sort of that hit right in front of us and left smoking burned
areas on the drive. It was a clear night I think, so probably
not weather related, but I guess in hindsight it could well have
been sparks from a meteor or something.

Anyway, the specific case I'm hoping to find some documentation
of happened in a tiny town outside of Pensacola, called
Cantonment, in the predawn hours, and the 'ship' landed in a
large field right next to a highway. It woke families up,
particularly with the light coming from it illuminating the
nearby houses. I understand that the next day police and
military officails were on the site, and the thing had left some
sort of burns or traces on the ground, and the local newspaper
did a story on it. If any of you run across anything that sounds
even remotely like this, particularly the location and time
frame, please do let me know.

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                    Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:26:39 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:45:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:58:30 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee & The AIR Report?

<snip>

>>I don't surmise it at all. American satellites were incapable of
>>bringing to the world's attention India's nuclear capabilities
>>until after the weapons were detonated. Yet, somehow there are
>>satellites over Europe that have the optical or energy-focusing
>>resolution necessary to produce the intricate, frequently woven
>>patterns hundreds of miles below? Even if such a system existed,
>>it clearly works perfectly...so why keep testing it (in the same
>>place), and risk discovery of the pattern's source?

>You are assuming that the American Government is being totally
>truthful with us. I on the other hand doubt that they are. It
>has been said as far back as the 60's that American Spy
>Satellites had the capability of reading a newspaper over the
>shoulder of a person standing on a street corner. Yet, we are to
>believe that a sophisticated "Spy Satellite" trained on a
>"fixed" area of the earth's surface missed something as
>significant as a "hydrogen bomb" test! I was of the opinion at
>first that it was an "atomic bomb," but later heard on one of
>the news outlets, of which I cannot remember, that it was in
>fact a "hydrogen bomb." Did I hear correctly? IF not, please
>correct me. There is a considerable difference between the two.

<snip>

I think a lot of assumptions are being adopted as proven fact in
this discussion.

I think it has been noted that the U.S. was aware of the
possibility that Pakistan was capable of creating a nuclear
weapon prior to the "test", which resulted from our watching the
flow of various components into Pakistan from other countries
(most notably North Korea). Spy satellites would be able to
locate possible lauch sites and observe their "preparation", but
that doesn't take extreme resolution and that technology has
existed since the late 50's and early 60's.

U.S. spy satellites have indeed had capabilities that are not
generally known, and have been able to resolve much more at the
surface level than has been acknowledged. But that is, I
believe, the result of improved photographic capabilities, and
not some new "beam" weapon that provides a better picture of
what is going on. If you can provide evidence to support the
concept that we have the ability to "read a newspaper over
someones shoulder", please prove me wrong. But there are too
many factors beyond the control of a satellite that would
seriously impact the resolution (such as haze, heat inversions,
etc.), and I would suspect that our capabilities are not as
sophisticated as some might want our enemies to think. On the
other hand, I think that resolution down to about one meter as
been acknowledged, and I would suspect that lettering on a
license plate could perhaps be interpreted. But this is a far
cry from reading news print, as alleged.

As far as possible "beam" capabilities, and their alleged
involvement in the creation of Crop Circles, I have seen no
actual research or evidence that would indicate that such a
linkage exists. This seems like a theory based primarily on
capabilities that are rooted in rumor and beliefs, and not hard
evidence.

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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: dledger@ns.sympatico.ca (Donald  Ledger)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:42:16 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:51:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint


> From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:33:58 EDT
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

> >From: Scott Carr <sardonica@erols.com>
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >Subject: RE: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint
> >Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:51 -0400

> >snip<

> >ALWAYS be wary of any 'researcher' who is personally involved in
> >the phenomenon that he is investigating. This is FSG's Lesson
> >Two in detecting "Krycek Type" personalities in the UFO field:

> Uh....I'm not sure I support this kind of reasoning. Are you
> suggesting that the observations of a researcher "in the field"
> are worthless because he sees what others have seen? Do you
> recommend that ufologists no longer travel to hotspots to
> document their own sightings?

> I would think that most of the people on this list would
> recognize the need for detailed observations should the occasion
> to make them arise. They might be more emotionally suited to the
> task than the average "Joe" as well.

> If a police officer witnesses a murder... do you think his
> testimony would be discarded or retained? It makes him
> personally involved, but he has a job to do, and if he is a
> professional, he'll do it without letting personal feelings
> interfere.

> Greg

I had a little trouble with this reasoning myself when I read it
and this is not the first time this subject has cropped up. Your
analogy of the policeman is a good one. If push came to shove on
crime in progress, particularly a violent one, I'd much rather
have the testimony of the policeman than an inexperienced
civilian. You want the criminal put away.

Why not the same with an experienced UFO researcher, who in many
cases might know exactly what to look for through experience and
probably because s/he had often wished the witness of some UFO
sighting in the past had done certain things.

What if Hynek, James MacDonald, Wilbert Smith or Jacques Vallee,
for example, had had a good sighting? Would we trash it simply
because they were and are experienced UFO investigators.

I had a good sighting last November in BC and I had two areas of
experience to bring to the sighting. Experience as a UFO
investigator and many more years as a pilot. I hate to think I
was disregarded as a witness because of the former experience.

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               Can Satellite's Microwaves Cause Crop Circles?

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:17:18 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:07:32 -0400
Subject: Can Satellite's Microwaves Cause Crop Circles?

A little quantitative thinking may help here. First, let me cite
from a web reference, concerning radar, which is, of course,
a microwave source:

http://www-cmpo.mit.edu/Radar_Lab/FAQ.html

"2.How much energy do radars transmit? Is it dangerous?

"This varies with the radar, but the answer to the second
question is almost always no. Weather radars might transmit from
100-500 kW peak power, but they only do this in very short
bursts. For example, the MIT C-Band radar transmits 150 kW peak
power, but only in 1 microsecond pulses, 1000 of these per
second. So the average power over any 1 second interval is only
(150,000 * 10^-6 * 1000) kW or about 150 Watts - perhaps as
strong as a couple of bright light bulbs.

"Further, the intensity of power in a microwave beam drops off
as 1/(range^2); by the time a weather radar beam hits a target
and bounces back, the antenna usually measures at most
milliwatts of power.

"Nonetheless, OSHA regulations on safe levels of microwave
exposure are somewhat sketchy. Radar engineers working close to
the antenna dish typically prefer the transmitter to be off, but
more than a few hundred meters away, the intensity has almost
certainly dropped to safe levels."

Since microwaves follow the inverse square law, and therefore we
can determine the amount of energy required to cause a ground
effect by a little back-of-the-envelope reverse calculation.

Since the suggestion was made that the effect shown in crop
circles had been duplicated in a microwave oven, let's look at
the energy necessary to duplicate those conditions from
geosynchronous orbit (roughly 22,000 miles distance).

If the microwave oven output is 1.3kW, and the distance is 0.1m,
and 22,000 miles is 35,405,638.811m, which is 354,056,388.110
times the distance in the oven, the output at the source must be
1,300W * (354,056,388.110m^2) (if I've done this right), which
is  1.629627036487 x 10^20 Watts. That is what's needed to
produce a microwave oven level effect on the ground in a space
the size of the interior of a microwave oven. This ignores
dissipation of energy into the atmosphere through heating or
ionization, and it also ignores the dispersion of the beam as it
travels through the atmosphere.

Another note of interest, this time from

http://www.skypoint.com/members/rab/sps.html

"The reason that the SPS must be so large has to do with the
physics of power beaming. The smaller the transmitter array, the
larger the angle of divergence of thetransmitted beam. A highly
divergent beam will spread out over a greatdeal of landarea, and
may be too weak to activate the rectenna. In order to obtain a
sufficiently concentrated beam, a great deal of power must be
collected and fed into a large transmitter array."

Which suggests beam dispersal effects are not negligible.

But let's move on.

Since the average power plant produces. let's say, 1GW (1x10^9),
a space-borne power plant to produce the stated effect would
need to be... well, astronmically more powerful than a normal
power plant. One wonders how it would be put into space
unnoticed.

But let's leave that aside for the moment, too, and assume
something not in evidence, like atomic bomb-pumped MASER
technology, is in use. With output in the specified range, every
firing of such a device ought to light up the nuclear warning
sensors of every nation on earth.

Not to mention the radio effects, which probably dwarf that of a
solar flare.

Yet the postulate is that someone is taking this risk, many
times a year, just to fool some UFO buffs. One wonders at the
sanity of those who might undertake it, much less those who
suggest it as a plausible alternative to conventional fakery.

Now even if one wants to postulate a more local airborne source,
the inverse square law still wreaks havoc on the size of the
necessary power plant. And, really, if the motivation were to
fool the UFO buffs, wouldn't it be cheaper to hire a bunch of
college students to fake the things? It seems so to me.

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                           Pointer To The Circles?

From: Gerry Lovell <ed@farshore.force9.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:58:41 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:12:41 -0400
Subject: Pointer To The Circles?


One of the earliest to document crop formations in England was
Arthur Shuttlewood, a journalist and author who went on to write
a number of UFO-related books. In the 1960s and early 1970s such
observations within the fields of Wiltshire were treated almost
as an aside to the main sequence of events. Far greater emphasis
was placed on the abundance of UFO sightings, landings and even
alleged alien encounters. Most of these having been recorded in,
or in relatively close proximity to the market town of
Warminster.

In Shuttlewood's first book, 'The Warminster Mystery' [pub.1967
/ Spearman] there are a number of references to these
formations. Early in 1966 several 30ft diameter circles were
discovered in nearby areas of flattened grass and reed; the
blades and stems swirled in a clockwise fashion. In his book,
'UFOs -- Key to the New Age [pub.1971/Regency Press] the
frontispiece comprises four photographs which illustrate a 30ft
by 50ft triangular shaped area, two 50ft long furrows and two
12ft long bar-shaped depressions, all of which appeared in
Wiltshire corn fields. The triangle, or pyramid depression
contained crop described as having been 'swirled round in a
whirligig style'.

At the same time as these formations were beginning to appear,
Shuttlewood was also busy gathering information relating to a
mysterious and ultimately unidentifiable source of sound which,
to those who experienced it, was invariably accompanied by an
invisible field of force. Likened to sonic pressure waves, this
attendent noise was similarly described as high-pitched whining
or droning, whistling and or loud buzzing. The force exerted an
energy equal to a feeling of great pressure bearing down from
above on the head, neck and arms of witnesses. One unlucky
victim reported that his head had been shaken violently from
side to side. Three young children playing beside a stream on a
still evening in 1965 were suddenly swept off their feet as
invisible forces suddenly pinned them to the vibrating ground. A
terrifying whooping wail rose to a crescendo during this
short-lived incident. For those inside their homes the visiting
shockwave of sound contained sufficient power to rattle windows
and even shake the very roof timbers. Shuttlewood wrote that
these paralyzing beams of air pressure were also responsible for
a growing number of shocked and injured animals, both farm and
domestic. The inexplicable death of a flock of pigeons while in
flight was another reported incident. The birds having been
downed en masse following an alleged contact with this invisible
aerial presence.

On a September night in 1965, Major William Hill was driving to
his weekly Territorial Army [reserves] meeting in nearby
Westbury when the engine of his car abruptly cut out. At that





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                        '75 Sightings At Loring AFB?

From: Geoff G. Dittman <umdittm0@cc.UManitoba.CA>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:17:09 -0500 (CDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:32:07 -0400
Subject: '75 Sightings At Loring AFB?


I received this email yesterday, but not being familiar with the
incident I wasn't of any help. Does anybody here having any
information?

----------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:23:05 PDT
From: Patrick Mowatt <telperion@hotmail.com>
To: umdittm0@cc.UManitoba.CA
Subject: Loring AFB UFO sightings

Dear Sir or Madam:

I am writing this as a letter of inquiry. I am seeking any
information you can send me with regard to the 1975 UFO
sightings at Loring AFB in Maine. I have read various postings
on the net which have led me to the understanding that Canadian
bases were also overflown at the time, and that Canadian
fighters were on alert status.

I live in New Brunswick on the border with Maine, about three
hours from Loring AFB, which is part of the reason for my
interest in this matter.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Please send any replies to:
telperion@hotmail.com

Sincerely,
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                    Lights Over Downtown Houston Not UFOs

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:08:24 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:36:04 -0400
Subject: Lights Over Downtown Houston Not UFOs


Source: The Houston Chronicle

Stig

*******

10:02 PM 8/30/1998

Lights over downtown not UFOs

Crews decking out skyscrapers, testing spotlights for big show

A helicopter flies past the NationsBank Center with a load of
Power of Houston lighting equipment to be deposited on the roof
of the 75-story Chase Tower, from which this photo was shot.

By T.J. MILLING

Copyright 1998 Houston Chronicle

If you see strange lights piercing the night sky downtown in the
wee hours this week, it may be more than a margarita-induced
delusion from the new nightclub district.

Crews setting up for the Power of Houston festival will be
testing spotlights between midnight and 4 a.m. for what is being
billed as the largest laser-light-pyrotechnic extravaganza in
the nation. The Sept. 12 spectacle will feature 12 1/2 tons of
explosives and 2 million watts of lighting power.

"It's a challenge," production coordinator Rob McKinley said
Saturday, standing atop the Chase Tower, more than 75 stories
above the street. "The site is 144 square blocks. Equipment
locations are a mile apart and 1,000 feet up in the air. You
have an environment with absolute zero tolerance for error. Over
people's heads, you can't afford a mistake."

There were considerably fewer heads downtown over the weekend,
so that is when the crews lifted tons of equipment to the tops
of Houston skyscrapers. There were supposed to be two
helicopters to make the 196 lifts of everything from steel
containers loaded with equipment to cables to mammoth spotlights
to tons of fireworks. But one developed an oil pump problem on
the way from Dallas, so the other had to go it alone.

Standing atop the Chase Tower, the highest point in Houston, on
a calm day is breathtaking. The Astrodome glimmers in the
distance. The Texas Medical Center rises due south. The smog
sits looking over the ship channel and city on silent haunches.

Standing next to the edge in a helicopter's rotor wash with a
ton of equipment dangling overhead by what seems a delicate
umbilical is a little more harrowing. But the work crews
nonchalantly guided the equipment into its proper place,
disconnecting the tether and awaiting the next load.

All last week, the crews installed the ground-level lighting,
McKinley said. This week, the lasers will be installed inside
buildings. Windows are removed so the intensity of the beam is
not diminished, which explains why some of Houston's poshest
office buildings may have a tacky plywood window for the next
two weeks.

Exactly which downtown towers have fireworks atop them is top
secret, McKinley said, per an agreement with the Houston Fire
Department for security reasons.

The festival area has been doubled this year to accommodate
150,000 viewers, but that is only a fraction of the expected
audience, executive co-producer Susan Christian said. Last year,
the city estimated 1.6 million people converged on downtown and
the surrounding area to watch the show. The estimate was
compiled by police helicopter surveys of surrounding areas and
ground level accounts of the square footage downtown crowds
covered, Christian said.

"They're best guesses, but we don't just take a wild stab at
it," she said.

The script for the 20 minutes of razzle and dazzle two Saturday
nights hence already has been written. The $3.5 million bill,
$1.5 million more than last year's premiere event, is already
in. All that is left is the fine-tuning, synchronizing
electronic controls to within a 30th of a second.

"It's a highly precise show," McKinley said.

Finally, all the work of 70 of some of the world's best
lighting, sound and pyrotechnics technicians comes down to the
push of a single button.

"You see what it takes to make all this happen," Christian said,
"and then, with the touch of a button -- it happens."

But until then, it's work, work, work, day and night and into
the wee hours.

So if you find yourself awash in an eerie glow as you hail a cab
at 2 a.m. this week, don't call the Chronicle claiming you saw
E.T. It was probably just a close encounter with the Power of
Houston.







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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:09:35 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:38:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:42:16 +0100
>From: dledger@ns.sympatico.ca (Donald Ledger)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

<snip>

>I had a little trouble with this reasoning myself when I read it
>and this is not the first time this subject has cropped up. Your
>analogy of the policeman is a good one. If push came to shove on
>crime in progress, particularly a violent one, I'd much rather
>have the testimony of the policeman than an inexperienced
>civilian. You want the criminal put away.

While I would tend to agree, your unstated assumption is that
the policeman has greater training and ability in the art of
observation, and/or that his opinion would carry greater weight
in the legal system because of his chosen profession. This is
probably not always the case, but usually true.

>Why not the same with an experienced UFO researcher, who in many
>cases might know exactly what to look for through experience and
>probably because s/he had often wished the witness of some UFO
>sighting in the past had done certain things.

>What if Hynek, James MacDonald, Wilbert Smith or Jacques Vallee,
>for example, had had a good sighting? Would we trash it simply
>because they were and are experienced UFO investigators.

>I had a good sighting last November in BC and I had two areas of
>experience to bring to the sighting. Experience as a UFO
>investigator and many more years as a pilot. I hate to think I
>was disregarded as a witness because of the former experience.

>Don Ledger

I think that your sighting would be of interest to most of us
here, but there are some who would probably take your apparent
beliefs into account as they review any evidence you submit.
This would be a shame since you would indeed bring a perspective
to that observation that would be invaluable.

On the other hand, I can think of a few researchers that I
wouldn't feel the same way about, so I don't think the issue is
all that simple. If a researcher wishes to pursue this as a full
time profession, then their ability to view the genre from an
independant position becomes more questionable. Their research
could be solid, but the appearance of a possible bias might
impact how others view it.

Steve






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                     Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:42:20 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:43:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

>>Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:42:16 +0100
>>From: dledger@ns.sympatico.ca (Donald  Ledger)
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

>>From: Greg St. Pierre <StrmNut@aol.com>
>>Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:33:58 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Ufology - A Personal Viewpoint

>>If a police officer witnesses a murder... do you think his
>>testimony would be discarded or retained? It makes him
>>personally involved, but he has a job to do, and if he is a
>>professional, he'll do it without letting personal feelings
>>interfere.

>I had a little trouble with this reasoning myself when I read it
>and this is not the first time this subject has cropped up. Your
>analogy of the policeman is a good one. If push came to shove on
>crime in progress, particularly a violent one, I'd much rather
>have the testimony of the policeman than an inexperienced
>civilian. You want the criminal put away.

I think we all know, really, what was being raised by Scott in
his original posting. That is, the researcher who claims to have
seen UFOs again and again and again, and who, when placed under
scrutiny, turns out to be almost as imaginative as the strawman
raised by debunkers as their model of the UFO witness. Yes,
there are some people like that in the Ufological community, and
it is a problem. (Oddly, Scott's website seems to give credence
to Dr. Bruce Cornet, who falls almost perfectly into this
profile).

From this point of view, the analogy of the policeman seeing a
murder needs to be shifted to the policeman who investigates a
mob murder when it is suspected that he is on the take.

Obviously these are not the same thing.

Most UFO researchers are naturally suspicious of the witness who
claims many and repeated UFO encounters, as I mentioned in a
recent post on abductions. The reason is that such persons are
often seeking attention and are, in fact, somewhat disconnected
from reality. We also are rightly suspicious of the witness who
shows an undue knowledge of the UFO phenomenon - through their
reading or watching habits - since we know they know enough to
make it hard to determine if they are distorting real data based
on their knowledge or even if they are making up data that looks
more real than it should because they are familiar with the
literature and are using that knowledge against us.

The UFO researcher who claims multiple UFO sightings is,
obviously, laboring under both of these burdens.

>Why not the same with an experienced UFO researcher, who in many
>cases might know exactly what to look for through experience and
>probably because s/he had often wished the witness of some UFO
>sighting in the past had done certain things.

>What if Hynek, James MacDonald, Wilbert Smith or Jacques Vallee,
>for example, had had a good sighting? Would we trash it simply
>because they were and are experienced UFO investigators.

Actually, I believe Hynek wrote that he had more than one
possible UFO sighting, and I have often wondered if he took the
photograph of one which he shows in The UFO Experience and
mentions that he can
"absolutely vouch for".

However, Hynek  downplays his sightings, stating that there are
possible (though not probable) mundane explanations for them.
This is, indeed, the appropriate attitude for the analyst or
investigator, wherever possible.

I believe Walter Webb had two, and Paul Hill had two (one of
which
was spectactular and one of which wasn't).

At the same time, we know that many who are interested in UFOs
are interested because they have had a sighting. This runs the
gamut from the serious investigator to the fringe character.
Once again, however, claims of repetition or spectacular
sightings, leave such a researcher open to doubts about their
objectivity. One must always ask of any investigator or
researcher who has had a sighting "Do they believe? Can they
have doubts about specific cases?" Because if they "believe" in
the perjorative sense, if they
have lost their skepticism, reliance on their data is dangerous.

>I had a good sighting last November in BC and I had two areas of
>experience to bring to the sighting. Experience as a UFO
>investigator and many more years as a pilot. I hate to think I
>was disregarded as a witness because of the former experience.

Discarded? Not unless you have signs of unreliability of which
I'm not aware. But the ultimate question is how to assess the
status of the investigator / researcher / witness in the context
of the Hynek probability scale. Up a point, down a point?

Ultimately, I think, it has to come down, as it always does, to
the long term credibility of the witness. And I suppose I'd be
willing to take a down point for being an investigator, if I
could gain an up point for being a good observer. But who's
going to assess credibility in this context?

I firmly believe that an investigator should avoid investigating
their own sighting. This is in line with the police procedure of
having a separate body to investigate a shooting by a police
officer, and of not allowing the partner of a murdered officer
investigate the homicide. The danger that objectivity will be
lost, and that the investigator may assign unidentified status
to their own sighting when it is not warranted, is a danger.
Yet, the potential for better than average data should not be
lost,
and such cases do sometimes offer that potential.

------
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http://www.temporaldoorway.com
- Original digital art, writing, and UFO research -
Author of SF novels available at...
http://www.temporaldoorway.com/library.htm
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                         Plans For Planes Over Mars

From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:30:47 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:40:54 -0400
Subject: Plans For Planes Over Mars


Source: Technology News from Wired News

http://www.wired.com:80/news/print_version/technology/story/14708.html

The page has many interesting Mars links.

Stig

*******

updated 12:35pm 31.Aug.98.PDT

A Flight Plan for Mars
by Niall McKay

4:00am 31.Aug.98.PDT

When NASA launched the Pathfinder mission last summer, the world
got a glimpse of the Martian surface. Now, we may get an even
closer look at the planet with the help of a custom-built plane.

To date, Mars exploration has been limited to a small
geographical area and to information gleaned from imaging
systems. But now, NASA is dangling the prospect of a US$299
million grant to the organization that comes up with the most
compelling space exploration proposal. So far, 29 groups have
submitted proposals, and of those, seven are Mars exploration
missions. NASA has set the expedition date for 2003, the
centenary of the Wright brothers' first flight at Kitty Hawk,
North Carolina.

One proposal, dubbed the Kitty Hawk, is designed to be the first
airplane flight on Mars, and would cruise 1,100 miles across the
Valles Marineris, a canyon system about 1,860 miles long and up
to 5 miles deep.

"Its primary purpose is to deduce the history of Valles
Marineris," said Larry Lemke, chief of the advanced projects
branch at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View,
California, and the chief engineer behind the Kitty Hawk
project. "Depending on what the outcome is, it could have
implications as to whether there was, is, or could be life on
Mars."

Designing a plane for Mars poses significant challenges for the
scientists. Both the Kitty Hawk project and another proposal
involving a glider would use a rocket to send the plane to Mars,
a 48.6 million-mile journey that would take seven to eight
months. Given that Martian atmospheric pressure is only 1
percent that of Earth's, it's a safe bet that the plane designs
will require space-age technology. But in many respects, the
plane designs are rather ordinary, which could work in their
favor.

"The simpler the aircraft, the less things that that can go
wrong," said Lemke.

The Kitty Hawk project leader, Michael Malin, is the president
of Malin Space Science Systems, a San Diego company that designs
instruments that fly on robotic space craft. Malin is working
with the Ames facility, the Naval Research Laboratories in
Washington, DC, and Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, VA. on the
project.

The second Mars project is being advanced by Pasadena's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory , in conjunction with the US Geological
Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona. The plan is similar to the Kitty
Hawk project, but substitutes a glider plane for the proposed
20-minute reconnaisance mission.

Some observers compare the challenge of flying a plane on Mars
to the Wright brothers' original flight.

"I imagine that trying to build an aircraft that would fly on
Mars would be an enormously complex task," said Tad McGeer,
president of The Insitu Group, an aerospace research and
development firm that was recently involved in flying the first
unmanned aircraft across the Atlantic Ocean. "You would need
ridiculously low wing loading and with no oxygen on Mars, you
couldn't even use an internal combustion engine."

Given the extremely low atmospheric pressure, the scientists
said it will be difficult to generate the lift needed to keep
the plane in the air. The good news is that the gravitational
pull on Mars is approximately one third of that on Earth, so
less overall lift is needed. And in general, the wider the
wingspan the greater the lift. Combining these factors,
scientist Mike Ravine, advanced project manager at Malin, said
that the mission would be the rough equivalent of flying an
aircraft at 80,000 feet.

Lemke explains, "The amount of aerodynamic lift is equal and
opposite to the aircraft's weight." Therefore, it becomes a
balancing act between weight and wingspan.

"Our aircraft looks more like a flying wing than an airplane,"
said Ravine. "The wingspan will be approximately 32 feet across.
It will be powered by a push propeller from behind."

Another consideration is that the aircraft has to be rocketed
through 48.6 million miles of space, limiting the overall size
of the craft. To combat this problem, both projects propose
planes with wings that can be folded during the rocket phase,
and then opened out for the flight.

"NRL has a lot of experience building aircrafts that can both
fold their wings and fly at very high altitudes, while Orbital
Sciences can build the rocket and capsule that will get the
aircraft to Mars," said Lemke.

The Kitty Hawk aircraft would be powered by hydrazine, or rocket
fuel, which does not require oxygen. The proposal also calls for
the plane to be built using aluminum and carbon composite
material, which is light but durable.

The proposed Kitty Hawk flight will last about three-and-a-half
hours, with the airplane traveling roughly 1,000 miles at 1.2
kilometers above the canyon. During the flight, 20-30 gigabits
of data will be collected and transmitted to the rocket orbiting
overhead, which will relay the information to Earth. The
aircraft will house instruments to measure gravity and both
magnetic and electrical fields. Other instruments on board
include a laser altimeter, several high-resolution cameras, and
an infrared spectrometer.

"By measuring the electric[al] and magnetic fields, we will get
some idea of what the Martian sub-surface is like, giving us
some indication if there could be, for example, underground
aquifers," said Ravine.

The JPL's glider proposal also aims to survey the Valles
Marineris, but would only be aloft for about twenty minutes.

If either project goes ahead, it will be one of only several
Martian expeditions planned in the next five years. In December
1998 and January 1999, NASA will send up two missions: the Mars
Global Surveyor Orbiter and the Lander. The agency also plans to
send up expeditions in
2001, 2003, and possibly 2005.


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                      UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 35

From: Masinaigan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:35:55 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:27:53 -0400
Subject: UFO ROUNDUP, Volume 3, Number 35


   UFO ROUNDUP
Volume 3, Number 35
August 31, 1998
Editor: Joseph Trainor

LARGE UFOs SEEN BY
HUNDREDS IN CHILE

     Chile experienced another week-long wave
of UFO visitations, and witnesses to these
events numbered in the hundreds.
     On Wednesday, August 19, 1998, at 7:30 p.m.,
witnesses in La Serena, a city in Coquimbo
province 440 kilometers (275 miles) north of
the capital, Santiago de Chile, spotted "a tall
object the size of a building suspended over the
(Atacama) desert.  The witnesses said it had two
rows of green lights from top to bottom."
     In Ovalle, another city of Coquimbo province
288 kilometers (180 miles) north of Santiago,
residents saw "a bright light in the sky."  They
described the UFO as "long structure like a cigar."
The object remained in view for 30 minutes.
     In Santiago de Chile itself, residents of barrio
La Florida reported seeing "a disc" in the night sky.
     In the nearby city of Pudahuel, three luminous
UFOs were seen.
     By 11 p.m. that night, reports of UFOs came
flooding in from other cities in Chile.  These
included Concepcion and Talcahuano, seaport
cities on the Golfo de Arauco 465 kilometers
(290 miles) south of Santiago, and Puerto Montt,
a port on the Golfo de Ancud 1,224 kilometers
(765 miles) south of Santiago.
     Soldiers on night maneuvers at the Chilean
Army base at Coyahique "saw a strange cloud
going against the wind, and it had internal lights
blinking and flickering."
     On Friday night, August 21, 1998, another
platoon of Chilean soldiers "doing night training"
at Coyahique saw "a big ball of light bobbing
around them."  One soldier quickly snapped two
photos of the UFO before it flew away.
     In Cochrane, 100 kilometers (60 miles) south
of Coyahique, "residents saw a 400-meter-wide
triangular UFO.  Local police saw the object and
have opened an official investigation."  (Muchas
gracias a Luis Sanchez Perry para esas noticias)

LIFTOFF EXPLOSION DESTROYS
ANOTHER GALAXY SATELLITE

     Galaxy 10 joined the list of satellites that have met
with disaster this summer when its rocket exploded
55 seconds after launch.
     The ill-fated launch took place at Cape Canaveral,
Florida at 9 p.m. on Wednesday, August 26, 1998.
Galaxy 10 was scheduled to be carried into space
by Boeing's new Delta III rocket on its maiden flight.
The $225 million communications satellite, owned
by PanAmSat Corp., was designed to replace the
Galaxy 4, which mysterious rotated out of orbital
position back in May, disrupting pager service
and TV channels worldwide.
     The 12-story Delta III rocket got away from the
launch pad all right.  But NASA's long-range cameras
saw the rocket "tipping over before erupting" into a
bright orange fireball explosion approximately 55
seconds into the flight.
     According to the Nando Times, "a large piece of
the ill-fated rocket plunged into the Atlantic Ocean"
about 10 miles (16 kilometers) east of the Florida
shoreline "and exploded with a fiery mushroom cloud"
that was seen for miles along the coast.
     "'At this time, we have no idea what happened
to the rocket,' Boeing's launch commentator reported
calmly."
     "It's a little like being punched in the belly,' said
Brig. Gen. Randy Starbuck" of the U.S. Air Force,
commander of the Cape Canaveral launch site.
     On Thursday, August 27, 1998, Boeing aerospace
engineer Clarence Quan announced that a board of
inquiry had been formed to investigate the disastrous
launch.
     Galaxy 10 was the second satellite to be lost in
a liftoff explosion this month.  On August 12, the
top-secret $1 billion Vortex satellite was destroyed
when its Titan 4 rocket exploded 40 seconds after
liftoff.
     Galaxy 10 is also the fourth Earth satellite to
experience disaster this summer.  Others include its
sister satellite Galaxy 4, the Solar and Heliospheric
Observatory (SOHO) and the Vortex.  (See USA
Today for August 27, 1998, "Rocket blows up," and
the Providence, R.I. Journal for August 27, 1998,
"Another rocket explodes on liftoff," page 2.)

UFOs SPOTTED IN ILLINOIS

     On Thursday, August 20, 1998, at 10 p.m., the
Bowman family of Ripley, Illinois (population 112)
"were working late outside and talking with some
neighbors when, all of a sudden, a strange light
appeared in the sky."
     "'I saw two lights in the sky, quite a way apart,'
said Patrick Bowman.  'They went out and moved
over behind the trees, no more than a second or
two.  They went on again, then dropped again to the
right behind another tree.  When they were back on,
they were three-dimensional, like a three-winged
craft with lights at the bottom.  The lights went on
in sequence, then they went back off in sequence,
then they shot up through the top wing.  That's all
I saw.  It wasn't anything from here.  It made me
nervous.'"
     Ripley residents saw the UFO "just after ten
o'clock."  The object was also sighted in Rushville,
Pittsford and Mount Sterling (population 1,922), on
Illinois Highway 24 seven miles west of Ripley.
     "An Illinois State Trooper, who did not wish to be
identified, also saw the strange lights west of Mount
Sterling.  He declined to comment other than to say
he saw them."
     Ripley is on Highway 24 approximately 246 miles
(393 kilometers) southwest of Chicago.
     A UFO was sighted 45 minutes earlier by a woman
in Champaign, Illinois (population 63,502), a city on
Interstate Highway I-72 137 miles (219 kilometers) south
of Chicago.  Mrs. J.C. reported, "I had left my house
around 9:15 p.m. Thursday.  My daughter lives only
three blocks from me and called on the phone and
told me to look at the light in the sky."  Mrs. C. did
so and saw a strange white light "to the west and
a little to the north," in the direction of Ripley.
(Many thanks to Gerry Lovell and Errol Bruce-Knapp
for the Illinois reports.)

CIRCULAR UFO SEEN IN
NORTHERN INDIANA

     On Monday, August 24, 1998, at 10:15 p.m., the
witness, a Mr. Stephenson, was driving north on
Indiana Highway 29 about three miles north of
Michigantown, Indiana (population 472) when he
saw "a most peculiar circle of yellow lights descend
vertically from the sky."
     Stephenson and his nephew, who occupied the
passenger seat, "watched these lights drop out of
the sky--very, very close to us and around 25 to
30 yards" away.  At first he thought it was just a
helicopter, then the ring of yellow lights "rotated
and it looked like a solid line of light.  It rotated
and tilted vertically and then it went up and
disappeared."
     Stephenson's nephew "said the object appeared
to be of circular shape," adding that "he also thought
the yellow lights had a blue tint."
     Michigantown is located 30 miles (48 kilometers)
north of Indianapolis.  (Many thanks to Kenneth
Young, public relations director of Tri-States
Advocates for Scientific Knowledge, T.A.S.K.,
for this report.)

LARGE RECTANGULAR UFO
SPOTTED IN MINNESOTA

     On Sunday, August 23, 1998, a family was
entertaining two friends at their home in Ramsey,
Minnesota (population 12,408) when something
unusual happened.
     "Our three children were outside playing
'flashlight tag' when they became very excited
and requested that I come out and see the
'strange red lights' passing over our house,"
the mother, who declined to be identified, reported.
     "I proceeded to grab my camcorder and
rushed outside into a very clear and dark night.
My 10-year-old son, Ariel, pointed out the light,
which was approximately one mile away and
moving slowly in a northwesterly direction toward
Elk River.  My first impression was how large the
lights were at the estimated distance.  Their size
can be compared to a standard commercial-radio
tower beacon when viewed from a distance of
a half-mile."
     "There appeared to be two flashing red lights,
which were spread apart from each other at an
estimated distance of 100 yards and at an
altitude of 500 feet with a white light directly
above.  Their speed was unusually slow--100 miles
per hour--and about it the horizontal lights blinking
erratically approximately ever two to three seconds
while the light above blinked each five to seven
seconds."
     "According to our 9-year-old daughter, Tanya,
before we came out of the house, the two red
lights did a complete 180-degree rotation around
their horizontal axis."
     The woman captured 10 seconds of video before
the UFO passed out of view.
     Ramsey is on Highways 10 and 169 approximately
30 miles (48 kilometers) northwest of Minneapolis.
(Many thanks to Tim Hagemeister of NACOMM
for this report.)

USO AND BLACK HELICOPTER
SEEN IN GULF BREEZE

     A possible USO (Unidentified Submerged Object)
was seen by four ufologists in Gulf Breeze, Florida
(population 5,530) on Saturday night, August 22, 1998.
     At 11 p.m., researchers Ray and Elise Pollock,
Beverly Pilcher and Gelena Salyars were skywatching
at the pier in Shoreline Park South.  According to Ray
Pollock, what drew their attention was "the odd behavior
of sound and light reflections" offshore "to the right of
the pier heading south" towards the Bob Sikes Bridge.
     "Beverly Pilcher was standing just under the covered
picnic table area to the right of the pier when she
experienced a powerful wave of ringing in her ears,"
Ray reported, "She described it as being so strong
that her ears hurt--like being poked with a stick or
something."
     The others joined her under the awning "but they
could not hear it."
     Just then, a black helicopter "came in low over
Deer Point" and flew a short distance out to sea.
"It was fairly well lit with a steady white light and a
blinking red light.  It was also projecting a steady
searchlight-type beam on the water as if searching
for something.  It moved slowly down" the shore
"until it reached the new condominium towers and
then made a circle around the area.  Then it
returned to the island and flew towards Fort
Pickens.  At no time was any sound heard from
this craft."
     Then the quartet noticed "a dense black area
in the water that did not reflect the lights from the
beach" even though the sea's surface was smooth.
     Beverly Pilcher and Gelena Salyars walked out
to the end of the pier to investigate, while Ray and
Elise Pollock remained on the beach.  All four
reported strange audio phenomena associated
with the "black water area."
     Although nearly a quarter of a mile away, the
Pollocks reported that they "could clearly hear
both women.  They could also hear conversations
coming from (more distant) boats coming up the
waterway from Pensacola Bay."
     By 2 a.m., the "black water" area "slowly began
to show (light) reflections again," and the unusual
audio clarity abruptly ended.  The investigators
left the beach at 2:15 a.m.  (Many thanks to Ray
Pollock for this news story.)

SPHERICAL GREY UFO
SIGHTED IN ALABAMA

     On Friday, July 31, 1998, at 6:30 p.m., the
witness, D.M.K., was driving on U.S. Highway
13 near Eldridge, Alabama, approximately
93 miles (148 kilometers) northwest of
Birmingham, when he spotted "a bright
metallic colored light in the sky."
     "The light was moving in what I believe was
a westerly direction," he reported.  "Also, for an
instant, it became brighter and then dimmed
into invisibility.  This happened so quickly that
I couldn't point it out to my cousin who was
sitting in the passenger seat."
     D.M.K. described the UFO as "circular" in
shape and "the size of a nickel at arm's length."
"I had it in view five seconds," and it was "at
about a 70 degree angle" up from the horizon.
No blinking lights were visible on the object.
(Email Interview)

DAYLIGHT DISC SPOTTED
IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS

     On Monday, August 24, 1998, at 1:25 p.m.,
Texas ufologist Mike Harman "had just gone to the
break room on the second floor of the Fort Worth
office where I work when I spotted a daylight disk
or diamond-shaped object.  I was looking out a
window looking due west.  The object was very
dark in color and moving very fast.  It seemed to
sway back and forth, and rapidly gained speed
and (then) slowed.  Otherwise, it was smooth
flying."
     "The shape of the object looked like a diamond
or disk and appeared small, one-quarter the size of
a pencil's diameter at arm's length.  It was just under
a thunder cloud, and, as I watched for about three
minutes, it moved into another area of the sky that
was full of white fluffy clouds...It made some turns
as I watched.  It would turn in one direction and then
turn back in, as if correcting and aligning with its
original direction.  I observed it until I was no longer
able to see or make it out in the sky."
     Fort Worth (population 447,619) is one of the
largest cities in Texas, located about 30 miles
(48 kilometers) west of Dallas.  (Many thanks to
Mike Harman for this report.)

FAMILY SEES A UFO IN
PALMETTO, GEORGIA

     On Tuesday, August 25, 1998, at 9 p.m., Ken H.,
his wife and his children were at a roadside park in
Palmetto, Georgia (population 2,612) when they
saw "a star-like object" suddenly appear.
     "I watched a 'star-like' object moving in a north
to south direction at a steady speed and at what
appeared to be a very high altitude," Ken reported.
     "I got my wife's attention and said to her,
'Hey, look!  There's a satellite.'"
     "As we watched for a few seconds, it started to
slow down.  It was almost directly overhead--so high
that the Hartsfield air traffic was following their usual
pattern well below the object."
     "As the object slowed, it made movements that
resembled the movements of a waterbug (zigzagging
from side to side--J.T.)  I thought to myself my eyes
must be bleary or something, so I fixed my gaze on a
nearby star and, sure enough, the object was indeed
moving."
     "When we got to the car, I told my wife, 'I gotta take
another look.'  My wife did, as well.  There it was, still
stationary and looking like a star.  Then my wife and
I said simultaneously, 'There it goes again!'  It was
moving sharply back in the same direction it came
with that same 'waterbug' sliding movement.  It then
stopped."
     After buckling his small children into their seat
harnesses, Ken looked for a third time, but the UFO
was gone.
     Palmetto is on Highway 29 about 26 miles
(41 kilometers) south of Atlanta.  (Email Interview)

UFO SQUADRON HOVERS
NEAR WALTON, KENTUCKY

     On Monday, August 3, 1998, at 9:30 p.m., a witness
named Gene spotted "a star-like object" over his home
in Walton, Kentucky (population 2,034).
     "While looking straight into the sky," Gene "beheld
a 'star-like object' in the sky which moved back and
forth in all directions--north, south, east and west."  He
watched the UFO "for ten minutes before it 'took off'
to the east in the blink of an eye."
     "Shortly afterward, the object returned, accompanied
by four or five other objects...all objects were seen at a
high altitude."  Gene and his wife "watched the objects
for over an hour."
     At 10:30 p.m., Gene's wife, complaining of a sore
neck, went in the house.  Gene reported that "one object
with 'blue and green-colored lights' hovered about 200
feet above a treeline and then flew across (Interstate
Highway) I-75, which is visible from their back porch
area."
    When another object "crossed the surface of the
moon," Gene "could discern a cigar-shaped outline of
the object."
    Rejoined by his wife and a neighbor, Gene watched
as "eight or ten more UFOs joined together in a
triangle, and a brilliant light was seen to the south of
the triangle.  This was 'the Big One'...and its outline
clearly seen with a telescope and binoculars.  'It was
the whitest light you ever saw,' Gene said."
     "Gene said that the big object resembled a red
disk, resembling two 1948 Chevy hubcaps placed
together and beveled at each end."  All of the UFOs
left the area at 3:30 a.m.
     Walton is on Kentucky Highway 25 approximately
58 miles (93 kilometers) north of Lexington.  (Many
thanks to Kenneth Young, public relations director
of T.A.S.K. for this news story.)

LARGE TRIANGULAR UFO
SEEN IN COLORADO

     On Monday, August 24, 1998, at 10:24 p.m., an
11-year-old boy spotted a large triangular UFO
hovering over his neighborhood in Elizabeth,
Colorado (population 818), a small town on
Highway 86 about 41 miles (65 kilometers)
southeast of Denver.
     The boy "had seen a 'triangle' floating about
during the night from his window.  Colorado ufologist
Bob Hetsko interviewed the boy and asked how
large the "triangle" was compared to an object at
arm's length, "and he said it was about two to three
inches.  I asked him to estimate a distance, and
he pointed to a tower about two miles away.  This
would have to be a large craft" to be visible at
that distance.  (Many thanks to Bob Hetsko and
Tim Edwards for this report.)

NEW SIGHTINGS REPORTED
IN MARLETTE, MICHIGAN

     On Monday, August 24, 1998, at 10:35 p.m.,
ufologist Jeffrey S. Westover spotted "a dazzling
display of three orange balls of light" descending
"from a single point in the sky at approximately
35 degrees to the north-northeast of my position,
five miles (7 kilometers) north of Marlette, Michigan.
(population 1,924).  "They appeared in rapid
succession, one after the other in one point of
the sky and disappeared within a few seconds.
They were much brighter than an aircraft's
landing light."
     At 10:40 p.m., Jeff witnessed "a single brilliant
orange light appear in the north at 30 degrees
inclination.  It was stationary and disappeared
within five seconds."
     At 11 p.m., "my mother and I both witnessed a
vivid display of orange lights appear in a group north
of Marlette.  It was at an elevation of 15 to 20
degrees.  There were at least three orange lights
sitting in the sky before they disappeared suddenly.
I had them in sight for approximately three seconds."
     Elsewhere in Marlette, another witness, Norma W.
age 63, reported seeing "orange lights" in the sky.
     Marlette is on Michigan Highway 53 approximately
67 miles (107 kilometers) north of Detroit.  (Many
thanks to Jeff Westover for this report.)

ROUNDUP CORRIGENDA:
     Jeff Westover is a commercial artist who has
done sketches for Michigan MUFON based on the
testimony of UFO eyewitnesses.  He is not a member
of Michigan MUFON per se.  UFO Roundup regrets
the misidentification in last week's issue.

ORANGE FIREBALL SPOTTED
OVER DECEPTION BAY

     Residents of Deception Bay, Queensland,
Australia spotted a bright orange fireball in the night
sky last week.
     According to Australian ufologist Ross Dowe,
the residents "said at first there was a single bright
orange fireball slowly passing high up in the sky,
travelling north to south, then disappearing."
     "About 30 to 35 seconds after the first (UFO)
illumination event, a second illumination appeared,
and it repeated the first event.  A pair of orange
fireball illuminations passed overhead side by side,
and yes, 30 to 35 seconds later, another illumination
went over and duplicated the activities of all the
others."
     The UFO display lasted for about 15 minutes.
(Many thanks to Ross Dowe of Australia/New
Zealand 24-Hour UFO Hotline for this report.)

BIZARRE ORANGE UFO SEEN
IN EARBY, LANCASHIRE, UK

     A strange orange "plasma-like" UFO appeared
twice over the town of Earby, Lancashire, UK, first
on Saturday, August 15, 1998, and again one week
later on Saturday, August 22, 1998.
     The "most peculiar plasma-like orange light was
seen by a number of witnesses" in Earby.  "The object
is said to be 30 feet in length and appeared to have
an 'undulating' or 'skipping' motion.  They appeared
to perform sharp turns and eventually disappeared
into a valley."
     "This area is known for the sighting of so-called
'Earth Lights,'" said Tim Matthews of the Lancashire
UFO Society.  "There is a possibility--we may be on
the verge of an earthquake."  (Many thanks to Lisa
Matthews of LUFOS for this news story.)

BLAZING BLUE FIREBALL
STIRS SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY

     Dozens of witnesses in small towns around
Modesto, California (population 164,730) were
startled by the sight of a huge blazing blue fireball
crossing the sky at 5:30 a.m. on Thursday,
August 27, 1998.
     The phenomenon was seen in Modesto, a city
on Highway 132 approximately 115 miles
(184 kilometers) east of San Francisco, and in
Oakdale (population 11,961) and Waterford
(population 4,771), 15 miles (25 kilometers)
east of Modesto.
     "The Stanislaw County Communications Center
received a number of calls after the meteor made
its brief, but brilliant, appearance."
     "Among the callers was a woman from Oakdale,
who thought the celebrated light might be someone
shooting off an emergency flare, a Waterford police
officer" and county supervisor Joseph Eulate, age 64.
     "'I'm just glad someone else saw it,' said Joe
Eulate, 'People were asking what I put in my coffee
this morning.'"
     "Eulate's close encounter came as he was driving
along Scenic Drive in Modesto.  'It looked like a big
ball, like a light bulb.  It was coming down real fast.
I saw something like sparks coming from the back
of it.  It was going west to east, above Claus Road.
I never saw it hit.  There was no sound."  (See the
Modesto, Cal. Bee for August 28, 1998, "Burning
ball in heavens lights up valley imaginations."
Many thanks to Gerry Lovell of Far Shores for
forwarding this newspaper article.)

CROP CIRCLE FOUND IN
ROTHWELL, LEEDS, UK

     On Saturday, August 22, 1998, at 4 p.m.,
David M. was approached by his son and another
boy, who informed him that they had just found
a formation in a field near their home in
Rothwell, Leeds, UK.
     "Upon getting to the field--videocamera in hand--
I was very impressed with the sight I was pointed out.
At least five shapes were visible, including two
double circles.  I shot at least five minutes of video
(footage), while a friend of mine shot more stills."
     Rothwell is about 130 miles (208 kilometers)
north of London.
     Elsewhere in the world, a crop circle discovered
in Oakbank, Manitoba, Canada last week turned out
to be a playful hoax.
     The formation, consisting of circles and unusual
pathways, was found in an oat field in the farm
community.  The site was investigated by Chris
Rutkowski of UFOROM, who surveyed the site
and tracked down the culprit.
     Rutkowski noticed that "four paths spelled out
the word 'Mark.'...Looking from the south edge of
the field, two more showed letters created in the
oats," which spelled the phrase Mark was here.
     Interviewing local farmers, Rutkowski learned
that an 11-year-old boy, Mark W., lived near the
"crop circle" field. He then interviewed the lad.
     "'Do you know anything about the tracks in the
field behind your house?' asked Rutkowski."
     "'They're really neat, aren't they?' Mark replied."
     "'But did you make them?' persisted Rutkowski."
     "'Oh, yeah, sure I did,' Mark admitted.  'I made
them a few weeks ago.  I wondered when somebody
would notice.'"
     Mark told Rutkowski that he had decided to make
one after seeing a TV documentary on crop circles.
(Many thanks to Chris Rutkowski for letting UFO
Roundup quote from his report.)

from the UFO Files...

1944: THE MAD GASSER OF
           MATTOON, ILLINOIS

     This week's UFO flap in Illinois comes just in
time for the anniversary of one of the strangest
incidents of the pre-Roswell era.  It happened
fifty-four years ago in Mattoon, a small city in
Illinois 181 miles (289 kilometers) south of Chicago.
     "During the early morning hours of August 31st
(1944), a resident of the city woke up feeling ill.
He tottered out of bed, stumbled into the bathroom
and vomited.  Then he roused his wife to ask her
if she had left on the gas."
     "'I don't think so,' she said, 'but I'll check.'
When she tried to get up, she discovered that
she was paralyzed."
     "Shortly after this incident, a housewife in
another part of town awike when she heard her
daughter coughing.  She got up to find that she
could barely walk."
     "The next evening (September 1, 1944), Mrs.
Bert Kearney, asleep in a bedroom shared with
her three-year-old daughter Dorothy, was stirred
from slumber at the sudden appearance of a
peculiar smell."
     "'I first noticed a sickening sweet odor in
the bedroom,' she later told a reporter for the
local newspaper, 'but at the time I thought it might
be from flowers outside the window.  But the odor
grew stronger, and I began to feel a paralysis of
my legs and lower body.  I got frightened and
screamed.'
     Mrs. Kearney's neighbor searched the yard
and the rest of the neighborhood without finding
any clues to the origin of the mysterious gas.
Police investigation proved similarly unproductive."
     "But at 12:30 a.m., as he arrived home from
work, Mr. Kearney caught a glimpse of someone
who matched the later description of 'the mad
gasser of Mattoon,' as the newspapers would
call him.  The stranger, who was in Kearney's
words, 'tall, dressed in dark clothing and wearing
a tight-fitting cap' was standing at the window.
When he saw Kearney approaching, he fled.
Kearney pursued him but could not catch him."
     "By September 5th, police had received
four more calls of 'gas attacks.'  Each time the
individuals concerned said they had first smelled
a 'sickly sweet odor,' then became nauseated
and partially paralyzed for thirty to ninety
minutes."
     "On Wednesday night, the (September)
sixth, the gasser struck three times.  At 10:00
(p.m.) Mrs. Ardell Spangler smelled a sickly
sweet odor, felt a peculiar dryness in her throat
and lips and suffered from nausea."
     "Mrs. Laura Junken reported a similar
experience shortly after midnight, and Fred
Goble told of one at 1:00 a.m.  Robert Daniels,
a neighbor of Goble, saw 'a tall man' fleeing
the house."
     "'This is the one of the strangest cases I
have ever encountered in many years of police
work,' Richard T. Piper, a crime specialist with
the State Department of Public Safety told
reporters."
     And the case got even stranger.  The final
gas attack took place at the home of Miss
Frances Smith, principal of the Columbian Grade
School, on September 7, 1944.  "Just before
the gas with its flower-like odor came pouring
into the room, they heard a strange buzzing sound
outside the house and expressed their belief that
the sound was made by 'the madman's spraying
apparatus in operation.'"
     The Mad Gasser vanished that night, and, in
the intervening 54 years, he has not been heard
from since.  (See MYSTERIOUS AMERICA by
Loren Coleman, Faber & Faber Inc., Winchester,
Mass. 1983, pages 192 to 200.  See also the
Mattoon, Ill. Journal-Gazette for September 2,
1944 and also the Decatur, Ill. Herald for
September 8, 1944.)

FUN UFO WEBSITES:
     To keep up with the new UFO flap in western
Canada, drop in at Bill Oliver's UFO*BC website.
It's at http://www.ufobc.org
     Crop circles and UFOs are the main topics at
David Kingston's website.  Log in at this URL:
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.kingston/index.html
     Before heading back to school, drop in at our
parent site, UFO INFO, for the latest news, photos
and features.  Go to http://ufoinfo.com
     If your English teacher is looking for an essay
your first week back to school, go ahead and
help yourself to one of the feature stories in a
back issue of UFO Roundup.  The footnotes alone
must be good for at least a B.  You can access the
back issues at http://ufoinfo.com/roundup

     Tomorrow is the anniversary of the birth of
that prolific science fiction writer, Edgar Rice
Burroughs.  Yes, the creater of Tarzan, Pellucidar
and John Carter of Mars was born in Chicago
on September 1, 1875.  You know, it's amazing
how many of Burroughs's descriptions of Barsoom,
his name for Mars, actually match the photos
radioed back by the Mars Global Surveyor.  Must
be another case of "life following art."

     We'll be back next week with more saucer news
from "the paper that goes home--UFO Roundup."
See you then.

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Source: The Philadelphia Inquirer

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August 31, 1998

Call it freedom? Or beyond the fringe?

Activity at Temple's Center for Frontier Science is the target
of a columnist.

By Faye Flam

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

By encouraging an open exchange of ideas, even very prestigious
universities end up nurturing some fringe material. At Harvard,
there's a psychology professor who is convinced that his
patients have been abducted by UFO aliens, while at Stanford a
doctor is promoting the idea that AIDS is not caused by HIV but
by drug abuse. At Princeton, a group of engineers keeps trying
to show that computers and other machines can be controlled with
the mind.

At Temple University, a whole center is devoted to what many
scientists consider fringe activity. Temple's school of
education includes the small but vocal Center for Frontier
Science -- which sends out a journal and hosts numerous talks
and conferences on such fare as homeopathic medicine,
telekinesis, cold fusion, even Tarot cards, as well as
misapplications of quantum physics to AIDS and cancer
treatments, spirituality and plant development. The journal
prints some articles by respected researchers and some by people
who don't appear to understand freshman-level physics.

Until recently, many on Temple's faculty didn't like to talk
about the center. "It's been like the scandal of the lobotomized
cousin up in the attic," said mathematician John Allen Paulos.

Then, this month a science columnist named Martin Gardner, in a
column titled, "What's going on at Temple University?,"
criticized the university for housing the center.

The column, published in the magazine The Skeptical Inquirer,
also mentions Temple history professor David Jacobs, who has
written books and appeared on talk shows spreading the word that
aliens from outer space are abducting people.

Along with the center, Gardner calls this "further evidence that
Temple is sliding into absurdity."

The flap has prompted scientists to debate the distinction
between science and pseudoscience, and the the role of a
university such as Temple in encouraging the free flow of ideas,
even unpopular or ridiculous-sounding ones.

"Yes, the center supports stuff that is, to be generous,
unbelievable," said Temple biology professor Richard Weisenberg.
However, "a university, if it's doing its job, is a place that
welcomes and encourages all kinds of views."

Temple spokeswoman Harriet Goodheart said faculty members she
spoke with were outraged at the column. "They thought it was a
cheap shot at the university based on one faculty member and one
center."

Paulos said he thinks Jacobs, like any tenured professor, has a
right to his point of view. Keeping him on the faculty does not
mean Temple endorses belief in UFO abductions.

Jacobs could not be reached for comment.

But the Center for Frontier Science is a larger concern, he
said. According to Paulos, it poses a threat to Temple's
reputation because it is officially part of Temple's ed school
and because it "wraps itself in the mantle of Temple" by putting
the Temple name and T logo on its journal and lecture
announcements and material sent to the media.

"Most universities have their crackpots," he said, "but they
don't come under the aegis of the university."

The Center for Frontier Science was conceived in 1986 by the
chairman of Temple's board of trustees, Richard J. Fox, who
wanted to give a platform to ideas that were outside the
mainstream.

The center hosts lectures and conferences and twice a year
releases its journal, Frontier Perspectives, to the media and
4,800 subscribers.

The center itself is a surprisingly small operation, consisting
of director Nancy Kolenda and one graduate student. Kolenda is
not a scientist -- she majored in accounting -- but she has an
interest in both science and communication.

"I think science has been held back by a lack of communication,"
she said.

She says the main function of the center is to get new and
unconventional ideas out in the open -- to get them aired and
explored. It is not to promote these ideas, she says, "but these
ideas would never been published if Frontier Perspectives didn't
exist."

"Any time anyone goes out of the accepted, current paradigm,
they're ridiculed," she says. Look at Edison, she said. Look at
Galileo.

In an interview, trustee Fox said part of the reason he supports
the center, at a cost of about $100,000 a year, is to encourage
free expression of ideas and support "lonely researchers" who
might be onto something really new.

"The university's role is one of enlightenment, of discussion
and openness," he said. "There's a great need for a forum to
explore new ideas and ideas that may not be popular."

Paulos argues that the subject matter published in Frontier
Perspectives is actually quite popular -- witness The X-Files
-- but he finds the contentions are so dumb and the arguments so
pseudointellectual as to be embarrassing to him as a Temple
professor.

Columnist Gardner said he expected a higher level of discussion
from the journal. He thought he might see articles on the
speculative area of physics known as superstring theory, or some
of the more far-out theories in cosmology, or perhaps something
on possible connections between genetics and altruism.

Instead, what he saw was "so far out on the spectrum that it
doesn't deserve to be called science."

There was an article by a British electrical engineer called "Is
a Living System a Macroscopic Quantum System," which, along with
an article called "Biological Effects of Quantum Fields and
Their Role in the Natural Healing Process," attempted to use
quantum physics and electromagnetism to explain and defend a
branch of alternative medicine known as homeopathy.

In homeopathy, medicines are diluted to the point that the
patient ends up getting little or nothing but pure water,
though, according to the theory, the water contains the
"essence" of the original substance.

Homeopathic medicine was invented in the 19th century and has
never been convincingly shown to work. Though most scientists
see it as quackery, it is seeing a resurgence of popularity.

Another article argued that illness is caused by a delusion that
infuses not just the brain but the entire body. For delusional
illness, the author suggests homeopathy, which he defines as
"harmonic nonlinear soliton waves in resonance with subconscious
negative programs," which can "collapse a negative thought
program." Paulos calls this sort of nonsensical term-dropping
"quantum drivel."

Another article used the jargon of freshman-level physics to
back up the contention that Tarot cards can transmit information
from "the field of the collective unconscious."

Prominent Temple scientists can't distance themselves enough
from the center. "We don't have any interaction with them," said
Edward Gawlinski, head of the physics department.

"They look at things that are not the things we are interested
in," said biology department chair Joel Sheffield.

Gardner, who is not a scientist but became known among
scientists for the mathematics columns he wrote for Scientific
American, said that in his judgment, the articles distributed by
the Center for Frontier Science were not science at all but
pseudoscience. Pseudoscience uses the language of science and
sometimes the mathematical symbols, but it lacks the logic and
the connections to both observational evidence and to
established science.

Gardner believes the distinction between science and
pseudoscience is not one of opinion. There is a reason that
mainstream science accepted Einstein's radical ideas of
relativity, while continuing to reject homeopathy and psychic
powers.

Evidence is crucial, but it is only part of the story.

Einstein's special and general theories of relativity were
accepted as brilliant before the experimental evidence came in
to back them. Scientists of the time were impressed that the
mathematical formulas behind special relativity created a new
connection between electricity, magnetism, and the speed of
light.

It is partly these mathematical connections that allow theories
on superstrings, the inner reaches of black holes, mysterious
particles, and the origin of the universe to get published in
Physical Review rather than in supermarket tabloids.

Many scientists believe that the rigorous skepticism that
underlies the scientific method has not held back the progress
of science but has in fact helped break down old dogma and
unleashed the torrential progress that has characterized science
and technology in the last century and a half. If radical new
ideas are held suspect for a time, that's all part of the
process.


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